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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, July 23, 2015
6:00 p.m.
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06:04:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Good evening.
06:04:52 Thank you for joining us for this evening's session of
06:04:56 City Council.
06:04:56 Can we please have roll call?
06:04:58 [Roll Call]
06:05:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
06:05:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
06:05:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
06:05:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.
06:05:13 >>HARRY COHEN: Let us just note for the record that we
06:05:15 have received a memorandum from Council Chairman Reddick
06:05:17 that he is unable to attend tonight's meeting and he
06:05:21 asked that be read into the record and shared with the
06:05:24 clerk.
06:05:24 I believe that was given to you this morning.
06:05:26 Councilwoman Capin is stuck in a little bit of traffic.
06:05:30 Item number one is a staff report that is actually her
06:05:33 item.
06:05:33 So we're just going to hold that to the side for the
06:05:37 moment.
06:05:38 We have a group of 6:00 public hearings that we are going
06:05:42 to start with.
06:05:43 And I believe we're going to hear number two and number
06:05:47 10 together because they are related or we'll hear them
06:05:49 one after the other.
06:05:51 So, with that I'd like to entertain a motion to open the
06:05:54 public hearings for items 2 through 10 and also to swear
06:05:57 in anyone that wants.
06:06:00 We have a motion from Councilman Suarez, seconded by
06:06:03 Councilwoman Montelione.
06:06:04 Please indicate by saying aye.
06:06:06 All right.
06:06:07 And if we could go ahead and swear in anyone that thinks
06:06:10 that they might want to speak on any of the items that
06:06:13 are on our agenda tonight, now is the time.
06:06:16 [Oath administered by Clerk]
06:06:24 >>HARRY COHEN: And we are going to start with item number
06:06:27 2.
06:06:27 >> Good evening, Council, Mary Samaniego.
06:06:38 Item number 2, or REZ 15-19, this is the second reading
06:06:43 for both, the planned development as well as the
06:06:45 development agreement.
06:06:46 Part of the first reading staff report and motion was for
06:06:49 revisions to occur to this site plan.
06:06:52 Those have taken place to the satisfaction of staff.
06:06:55 And copies of those have been submitted to the clerk for
06:06:57 signatures.
06:06:58 Thank you.
06:07:02 >>REBECCA KERT: You are also here for, as Mary said, for
06:07:05 the second public hearing for the development agreement
06:07:07 to allow the bonus density.
06:07:10 So we will need a motion to move the resolution on it
06:07:13 tonight.
06:07:13 Thank you.
06:07:17 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay, petitioner?
06:07:22 >> Thank you Mr. Chair and council.
06:07:23 Jim Porter with the law firm of Adams and Reese, 101 East
06:07:27 Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, representing the applicant on
06:07:29 both items number 2 and item number 10, the rezoning and
06:07:33 the development agreement.
06:07:34 This is the second reading for both.
06:07:36 Hopefully we have answered all your questions and we
06:07:39 respectfully ask for your approval.
06:07:41 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
06:07:42 Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak
06:07:44 to Council, first on item number 2?
06:07:49 >> Move to close.
06:07:53 >> Second.
06:07:53 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Miranda,
06:07:55 seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
06:07:57 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
06:08:00 Opposed?
06:08:00 All right.
06:08:01 Councilman Miranda, would you please take item number two
06:08:04 and I am told by the clerk that this will require a voice
06:08:07 roll call vote.
06:08:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you Mr. Chairman.
06:08:11 I move an ordinance presented for second reading and
06:08:13 adoption, ordinance rezoning property, 1703, 1705 West
06:08:18 Kennedy Boulevard and 102 North Rome Avenue, in the City
06:08:23 of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in section
06:08:26 1, from zoning district classification CI to PD,
06:08:29 providing an effective date.
06:08:29 >> Second.
06:08:30 >> Motion from Councilman Miranda, seconded by Councilman
06:08:34 Suarez.
06:08:34 >> CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.
06:08:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.
06:08:41 >> Capin being absent at vote.
06:08:42 Reddick being absent.
06:08:45 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.
06:08:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Yes.
06:08:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
06:08:49 >>THE CLERK: The motion carried with Reddick being absent
06:08:51 and Capin being absent at vote.
06:08:54 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
06:08:54 Item number 10, petitioner, do you have anything
06:08:58 additional?
06:08:58 Okay.
06:08:59 Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak
06:09:01 to Council related to item number 10?
06:09:03 That's the companion item.
06:09:05 >> Move to close.
06:09:06 >> Second.
06:09:08 >>HARRY COHEN: We have motion to close by Councilman
06:09:11 Miranda.
06:09:12 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
06:09:15 >> Move the resolution.
06:09:16 >> Second.
06:09:17 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman Miranda,
06:09:19 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
06:09:20 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
06:09:22 Opposed?
06:09:24 All right.
06:09:24 Thank you very much.
06:09:26 Councilwoman Capin, we held item number one, so we are
06:09:30 ready to get to it now.
06:09:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: My apologies to everyone.
06:09:35 We'll go ahead and get started.
06:09:39 We have an order here, but it doesn't need to be --
06:09:44 representatives and stakeholders from the Jackson House.
06:09:50 Maybe -- I'd like to start with our staff.
06:09:55 Julia Mandell and -- this is what I asked when, I don't
06:10:01 know if you got this memo, but you should've from Dennis
06:10:07 Rogero.
06:10:08 What is the city doing to save and restore the building?
06:10:12 How much money the city plans to contribute to save it
06:10:15 and what the city is doing to help with the fundraising
06:10:18 effort.
06:10:26 >>JULIA MANDELL: I'm actually -- I haven't been terribly
06:10:30 involved and legal department hasn't been involved in
06:10:32 some of the more recent conversations.
06:10:34 But Dennis Fernandez has.
06:10:35 I'm going to ask him to get up and describe where he
06:10:38 understands things are as they stand today.
06:10:40 And I'm here to answer any questions as it relates to the
06:10:43 process.
06:10:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Ms. Mandell.
06:10:46 >> Good evening, Councilmembers, Dennis Fernandez,
06:10:50 architectural review and historical preservation manager
06:10:52 here to provide some information hopefully in
06:10:56 coordination with the NAACP and the representatives from
06:10:59 the Jackson family.
06:11:00 The city, both myself and code enforcement manager Sal
06:11:08 Rogero have been attending the NAACP community meetings
06:11:12 and trying to advocate for the preservation of the
06:11:16 historic Jackson House.
06:11:17 To date, we have been working with the group to identify
06:11:23 potential funding sources for grants or endowment type of
06:11:29 donations.
06:11:30 And have identified some local resources as well as state
06:11:35 and federal grants that can be applied for.
06:11:38 Up until just I believe last year, many of these funding
06:11:43 options weren't available to the family because the
06:11:47 structure was actually held in private ownership.
06:11:51 And since then, working with Mr. Robinson and his legal
06:11:57 counsel, they were able to establish a 501(c)(3),
06:12:00 non-profit organization, which definitely improves the
06:12:04 likelihood of them being able to get funding, both full
06:12:08 funding and matching type grants.
06:12:11 The state of Florida offers two grant cycles.
06:12:15 One in particular would be of interest in the fall, which
06:12:18 is a special categories grant, which is a matching grants
06:12:21 between 50 and $500,000 that they can apply for.
06:12:25 Also, the Hillsborough County Challenge Grant has been a
06:12:29 very effective matching grant program that many historic
06:12:34 property owners within the city have taken advantage of
06:12:38 and we have made the group aware of that.
06:12:41 At the appropriate time when these application cycles are
06:12:44 due, we would assist the city staff, would be happy to
06:12:48 advise and assist in the production of necessary
06:12:51 documents, because as you know, with some of these grant
06:12:54 programs, the production and the maintenance of reporting
06:12:59 can be pretty cumbersome for organizations that don't
06:13:03 have the capacity to be able to manage that, and we feel
06:13:07 we can assist in that particular way.
06:13:09 With that, we also have been coordinating with Bracken
06:13:12 Engineering, who has been very, very kind to donate their
06:13:18 services and creating a shoring plan that could
06:13:21 ultimately be implemented to stabilize the structure.
06:13:25 As you know, the building sitting on Zack Street is
06:13:30 pretty isolated from surrounding buildings.
06:13:33 There's been a concern over the water intrusion and some
06:13:36 of the visual impacts.
06:13:39 And shoring plan to be able to stabilize that structure
06:13:43 prior to really any restoration occurring is essential.
06:13:47 Bracken has come up with a plan.
06:13:50 I'm unaware if there is a contractor here who will be
06:13:53 speaking, I'm not sure, they're going to be dealing with
06:13:56 the exact plan that I have or some sort of modification,
06:13:59 but the real essence of that is that the city's
06:14:02 permitting department is ready to accept any sort of plan
06:14:07 to stabilize that, whether long-term or short-term plan.
06:14:12 And will expedite the review of that plan and get the
06:14:15 applicable permits out as quickly as possible.
06:14:18 Our number one focus always is making sure that the
06:14:23 public and those working within the structure are safe,
06:14:27 but obviously with an eye towards expediting the review
06:14:30 because of this situation and the urgency this that is
06:14:34 necessary in achieving that.
06:14:36 I'm happy to answer any questions.
06:14:38 I think that the NAACP representatives probably have a
06:14:41 lot more immediate information because they're dealing
06:14:44 with this every day.
06:14:45 And I know Mr. Robinson has been allocating a great deal
06:14:49 of his time in moving the stabilization forward because
06:14:52 they were able to secure charitable donation from the
06:14:56 Tampa Bay Lightning, which is going to be a crucial part
06:15:00 of the stabilization effort.
06:15:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe they can answer this.
06:15:06 That can be used for the matching grants?
06:15:11 >> I did suggest that some of the donations that have
06:15:13 been coming in can be leveraged to be used for matching
06:15:19 grant.
06:15:20 I think the next meeting that's coming up later this
06:15:23 month, the administrator for the Hillsborough County
06:15:26 Challenge fund is going to be invited to talk about the
06:15:29 program and deal with some of those specific funding
06:15:33 elements that they look for within their program.
06:15:35 But I would say that any type of donations right now that
06:15:39 are made that are within the 501(c)(3)'s account should
06:15:44 be considered as a match for other opportunities out
06:15:47 there.
06:15:48 In order to leverage the funding.
06:15:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Well, I'm going to ask -- are there any
06:15:59 questions for Mr. Fernandez?
06:16:01 Then Matthew Depin, Bracken Engineering.
06:16:18 >> Matt Depin with Bracken Engineering.
06:16:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
06:16:22 Tell us your background and your history with this house.
06:16:25 >> We are a local structural engineering firm that first
06:16:30 became involved in 2010 when there was some code
06:16:36 enforcement issues and we worked with code enforcement
06:16:39 and with Mr. Dennis Fernandez to basically reassure them
06:16:43 that as licensed professionals, we were now on board and
06:16:46 ready to work towards restoring the house.
06:16:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And the -- what did the engineering --
06:16:55 what did this firm feel was paramount for stabilizing, if
06:17:01 you will, the house?
06:17:02 What is the first step?
06:17:04 >> Our goal now and our focus, Bracken Engineering, is
06:17:09 the first phase, which is the stabilization.
06:17:12 We have put together a shoring plan to shore up the first
06:17:16 and the second floor.
06:17:18 As Mr. Dennis Fernandez stated, water intrusion is our
06:17:21 biggest issue.
06:17:22 It's been going on so long, we're getting concerned that
06:17:26 the structure, especially the roof, is deteriorating.
06:17:29 So in order to really assess that and get into the guts
06:17:32 of the house to start restoration and shoring,
06:17:36 stabilizing it, we need to shore up the floors and make
06:17:39 it safer to explore.
06:17:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And that was priced out, yes?
06:17:50 >> I believe so, yes.
06:17:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And do you know what that was?
06:17:54 >> I don't know the amount that was quoted.
06:17:56 I do know that the contractor is here this evening.
06:18:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is the contractor here?
06:18:03 Would you please come up and tell us what you know.
06:18:08 >> Hi.
06:18:19 I'm Ronnie Williams, president of R W Tymewell
06:18:23 Construction.
06:18:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You have priced this out for shoring up
06:18:32 the house.
06:18:32 What is that amount?
06:18:34 >> The price for shoring and dry-in is $64,000.
06:18:39 >> How much?
06:18:40 >> 64,000.
06:18:41 I'm sorry.
06:18:44 Let me get you that number.
06:18:48 63,685.
06:19:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That number is just going to keep going
06:19:03 up.
06:19:05 >> Yes.
06:19:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: As that house sits there.
06:19:07 Obviously, that's what we're looking at.
06:19:09 So if -- I'd like to hear also, I'd like to hear from
06:19:14 Carolyn Collins of the NAACP.
06:19:18 If she would come up and tell us -- I know they've been
06:19:23 working very diligently with Mr. Robinson and --
06:19:26 Mr. Robinson with them on getting this.
06:19:32 >> Thank you for the opportunity and I want to be very
06:19:36 grateful for all of the individuals in the community that
06:19:38 really worked diligently with us, as aforementioned.
06:19:43 Don't want to be too repetitive.
06:19:45 We actually decided after the NAACP took this on in
06:19:48 February 2014, we found that structurally within the
06:19:51 organization itself, that there were a number of things.
06:19:54 Far more than we thought but we worked very well with
06:19:57 Mr. Robinson to get all of those things corrected,
06:20:01 including getting all the registration information with
06:20:03 the state, department of ag, took a little bit of time
06:20:07 but we have gotten everything.
06:20:09 Then we kind of concluded at the end of 2014.
06:20:12 I want to give a deference to the current president.
06:20:16 I'm no longer president with the NAACP.
06:20:18 I'm on the executive committee.
06:20:21 The current president is Dr. Bennie Small.
06:20:23 We have kind of brought in another non-profit when we had
06:20:26 the opportunity to secure the $50,000 hero grant from the
06:20:32 Tampa Bay Lightning.
06:20:33 And we're very, very grateful to them.
06:20:36 That particular piece of money, we could not receive it
06:20:40 with the NAACP.
06:20:41 Most people do not realize but the local branch is a
06:20:44 501(c)(4), only the national is a 501(c)(3) and that's
06:20:49 what delayed us the better part of three or four months.
06:20:52 So we looked at three other nonprofits that would be
06:20:55 willing to work with us.
06:20:56 We were able to get our first one that worked very, very
06:20:59 collaboratively with us.
06:21:01 And in concert with the Tampa Bay Lightning.
06:21:03 And the check has been cut.
06:21:05 They've deposited it and we have a full financial
06:21:07 process, whereby they called me today, they're ready to
06:21:11 transfer the check so we can start paying the contractor.
06:21:14 The contract is ready for Mr. Ronnie Williams to get
06:21:18 started.
06:21:18 He's collaborated on an ongoing basis with both us and
06:21:22 with Matt, has been a jewel, taught us all about
06:21:27 stabilization.
06:21:28 And currently where we really are now with the $50,000
06:21:31 is, it is our focus to try to match that money up as
06:21:35 well, so that we will have adequate funding.
06:21:37 If we can't find a one-to-one match, we would love to
06:21:40 have a two-to-one match before we have to use all of that
06:21:43 money in order to do the shoring up process so we will
06:21:46 have ample to cover the shoring up and then we'll be able
06:21:49 to really embark upon a very aggressive campaign and we
06:21:53 have a number of individuals on the board now.
06:21:56 We have a media person that's coming on.
06:21:58 But we have individuals who have worked on projects like
06:22:01 this from St. Pete, from -- San Antonio, Texas and also
06:22:05 from Tampa on our current board.
06:22:07 We have one vacancy and we're holding it for that media
06:22:10 person.
06:22:11 We have made some contacts with national media.
06:22:13 We have been very fortunate to have a myriad of folks in
06:22:17 the city who are really interested in seeing the house
06:22:21 being saved and they are actually working with us.
06:22:23 So we have a contract.
06:22:25 Thank you, Mr. Williams.
06:22:26 They did a walk-through in the house again on Sunday with
06:22:30 the contractor, with an individual who actually partnered
06:22:34 with us in order to receive the funding of miracles
06:22:38 outreach, a non-profit.
06:22:40 And they, I mean, they're ready to go.
06:22:45 We're ready to move now and we were hoping we would be
06:22:48 able to say to you tonight that it's started.
06:22:51 While we're not able to say it immediately, we can tell
06:22:54 you that it is now, it's like the bell is ringing.
06:22:57 The city, the City Council, the legal department,
06:23:01 Mr. Fernandez has been attending all of our community
06:23:03 meetings.
06:23:04 The community, everybody have just certainly embraced
06:23:08 this, put their arms around it.
06:23:10 And we're very supportive and we're fortunate now that we
06:23:12 have another 501(c)(3) that is excited about it.
06:23:16 Want to know what they can do to help as well as other
06:23:18 folks in the community, other individuals, other
06:23:20 businesses and other entities.
06:23:21 So what we're really looking for is whether the city
06:23:25 comprehensive plan, the county's plan, whether it's some
06:23:28 of the grants and we have a plethora of grants that we
06:23:30 have pulled up and we have had an excellent opportunity
06:23:33 with Mr. Fernandez to help us find others.
06:23:36 We're now looking for other monies because if we can
06:23:38 match this and complete the shoring up process, then
06:23:40 we're ready to go in the next phase, preservation.
06:23:43 And return it to its historical designation.
06:23:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That is music to my ears and I'm sure my
06:23:51 fellow Councilmembers because we have been struggling and
06:23:54 worrying about this very historical building.
06:23:58 And it is, it is the history of Central Park, but it is
06:24:03 the history of Tampa.
06:24:04 It is all our history and we should all be involved.
06:24:07 And I'm very happy to hear that, that the city and I'm
06:24:13 remiss, Mr. Fernandez, in not having included you here in
06:24:16 the first place.
06:24:17 But thank you for showing up and setting us straight.
06:24:24 >>HARRY COHEN: I think councilman Suarez had a...
06:24:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Doctor Collins, quick question for you, in
06:24:36 terms of what is the budgeted amount?
06:24:38 We know what the shoring up amount is, about $64,000.
06:24:42 What is the estimated budget would be to not only shore
06:24:47 it up but to restore it?
06:24:50 I think we had heard some numbers in the $2 million
06:24:54 range, something like that.
06:24:55 What have you found in terms of when you're looking at
06:24:58 this, what are we looking at in terms of dollars?
06:25:01 >> We have not, however, someone gave us a $1.2 million
06:25:05 but told us not to target it at what could be the exact
06:25:08 amount because it could go far beyond that.
06:25:10 So that's why you heard us saying earlier on that we
06:25:12 wanted to pursue a $2 million plus range so that we would
06:25:17 have ample funding in order to do what we need to do in
06:25:21 the restoration process, working to put the house back
06:25:23 into that 50 era.
06:25:25 We have had individuals who have come in and we have one
06:25:27 company say we'll do the windows, we will give you all
06:25:31 the material.
06:25:31 We will not charge you but we want youth to be involved
06:25:34 and we'll teach them how to do it.
06:25:36 We have another gentleman who does cabinets.
06:25:38 He's come in and say that's going to be my baby.
06:25:40 I'll take the cabinets.
06:25:41 So we're not sure.
06:25:43 Our hearts is that everybody was saying, you know, will
06:25:47 we be able to save this house?
06:25:50 So we're sticking with somewhere between, I'm going to
06:25:52 say 1.5 to $2 million that we want to do a very
06:25:57 aggressive fund campaign.
06:25:58 Not just locally, not in the state.
06:26:00 We want this to go, I would call it global.
06:26:03 And we really want to try to reach out to the music
06:26:06 industry, since that was part of the soul of the
06:26:09 building.
06:26:09 There's a gentleman that I've had an opportunity to do
06:26:12 some of his reading on the benefits of restoration.
06:26:15 And how important it is.
06:26:17 And how it actually saves the cities and the community.
06:26:20 So I'm really trying to get him even to come here and sit
06:26:24 down and talk with us, because he's done a number of
06:26:27 projects across the country as well.
06:26:29 While we still look at the music individuals, we're
06:26:31 looking at other individuals.
06:26:32 I had an opportunity to go to Jacksonville to look at the
06:26:35 Ritz theater.
06:26:36 Talked with the curator and the developer, I mean the
06:26:39 director that did the Ritz theater and she said as soon
06:26:42 as you get it shored up, come here and visit with us and
06:26:46 I'm going to give your our contact.
06:26:48 Because they have a recurring $50,000 they get on an
06:26:50 annual basis just to do the upkeep of the Ritz theater.
06:26:56 They add on every year and put money in an escrow
06:26:59 account.
06:26:59 We have folks all around the state of Florida, group in
06:27:03 Tallahassee, renewed the house, the folks out in Plant
06:27:06 City.
06:27:07 So many people are pulling for it and say it was very
06:27:10 difficult for us, but between our governmental officials
06:27:12 that worked with us, we were successful in doing it.
06:27:16 So, NAACP at the national office got involved.
06:27:19 Also with the tide foundation that actually handled all
06:27:23 of their above 5,000 -- above $2,500 donations.
06:27:27 And they were very rooting for us and saying once this
06:27:31 was done, if there was something else they could do.
06:27:33 Because we couldn't receive it, the national could not
06:27:35 receive it but they send us the tide.
06:27:38 So, we're going to say 1.5 to $2 million, we're going to
06:27:45 say anything you can talk to us about.
06:27:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's in Mr. Fernandez's budget, so
06:27:50 Dennis, I don't know if you're going to have any money
06:27:53 left over.
06:27:53 I do have a question that is more specific to the code
06:27:56 enforcement issues.
06:27:58 And I'm not sure if Ms. Kert wants to take it -- and
06:28:01 Julia.
06:28:02 I apologize, Ms. Mandell, I didn't see you down that way.
06:28:06 Are there any code enforcement dollars that have accrued
06:28:13 that the group owes, because of the sad state of repairs?
06:28:21 Where are we at that?
06:28:23 >>JULIA MANDELL: Where we are on the code enforcement
06:28:25 issues, there's a couple of different things.
06:28:27 There are some outstanding fines and fines that had been
06:28:30 continuing to accrue.
06:28:32 There's also an order to abate to, using the Bracken
06:28:36 Engineering plan as the basis of it.
06:28:40 Here's the things that need to be done in order for this
06:28:42 to be, I mean, not restoration, just to be stabilized and
06:28:46 take it out of being in code enforcement violation.
06:28:50 What we have done since the beginning of this
06:28:53 conversation and I've been involved in a lot of the
06:28:56 conversations that have occurred until recently, is to
06:28:59 say at the point in time you all are ready to come
06:29:02 forward to deal with the stabilization, we will
06:29:06 absolutely work with you and we have the authority and
06:29:09 discretion under our executive order and under our code
06:29:12 enforcement process to go ahead and do that.
06:29:14 It's just something that can't be done under our
06:29:17 processes until there's an actual plan to move forward.
06:29:19 So, as soon as thief gotten to that point and you know,
06:29:23 I've sent many, many days in meetings with Mr. Robinson
06:29:27 and he was a pleasure to get to talk to and work with on
06:29:30 this.
06:29:30 And I'm just blessed and pleased just to hear this
06:29:33 because you know, I certainly believe it's a worthy thing
06:29:38 for all of us as a community to have moving forward and
06:29:41 also a music lover, so for me, a couple different things
06:29:44 there.
06:29:44 All that being said, we'll absolutely work with you folks
06:29:47 as it relates to the code enforcement violations and
06:29:49 fines.
06:29:50 It's just something that can't happen until that point in
06:29:52 time where we know what direction this is going and it
06:29:56 sounds like it's going in the correct direction.
06:29:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So we have plan and then going forward,
06:30:01 we'll speak with the new owners of the house, which is
06:30:04 the new 501(c)(3), to discuss what the next steps will
06:30:08 be in terms of our code enforcement issues?
06:30:11 >>JULIA MANDELL: Yes.
06:30:11 I believe Sal Rogero has been involved in this as well,
06:30:18 assuring those issues are being dealt with.
06:30:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you so much.
06:30:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Maniscalco?
06:30:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I wish more people knew the
06:30:27 significance and the importance of the Jackson House.
06:30:28 It's a place I've never been inside but it's a place I've
06:30:31 driven by and walked around, probably two dozen times.
06:30:36 I've taken people there just to tell them, you know, all
06:30:38 the famous folks that stayed in, and what many people
06:30:41 don't know, at least in my generation, what was the
06:30:43 Central Avenue business district.
06:30:45 And this is either the last or one of the last remaining
06:30:49 original structures.
06:30:50 As a matter of fact, on Facebook last night I posted a
06:30:53 picture of Central Avenue from the 1960s that I had the
06:30:56 city of Tampa archives pull up.
06:30:58 And a great response.
06:31:00 And one gentleman put, I've always heard about it from my
06:31:03 mother but I've never seen pictures of it.
06:31:05 It's like it never existed.
06:31:07 But the Jackson House changes that.
06:31:08 And I've always thought to myself, you stabilize a
06:31:11 property, restore it.
06:31:13 And what can you do with it?
06:31:14 Turn it into a civil rights museum.
06:31:16 Have live music because of the rich musical history of
06:31:19 that place.
06:31:20 But it's so important and I'm glad that steps are taken
06:31:23 to save this house.
06:31:24 After I got elected a few months ago I sat down with the
06:31:28 Mayor.
06:31:29 He called me into his office.
06:31:30 One of the first things I asked him, what about the
06:31:33 Jackson House?
06:31:34 It's that important.
06:31:35 We have Ybor City to the Latin community, to the
06:31:37 Italians, but for the black community, African-American
06:31:40 community, the Jackson House is that one symbolic
06:31:44 building that's so important.
06:31:45 I'm glad to see it's going to be saved and not just, you
06:31:48 know, a place we can show in photographs in the future.
06:31:51 You want to take people to the actual structure.
06:31:53 So, you know, I'm happy to see that and whatever we can
06:31:56 do.
06:31:59 >>HARRY COHEN: Before I turn it over to Councilwoman
06:32:01 Capin to wrap it up, I just want to say, Councilman
06:32:04 Suarez and I were at the groundbreaking for the Perry
06:32:07 Harvey Park this week.
06:32:09 And when you see what is happening in the neighborhood
06:32:13 around the Jackson House and you imagine, as Councilman
06:32:17 Maniscalco just said, what it could become in terms of a
06:32:20 real community asset, it's really a very, very exciting
06:32:24 time.
06:32:24 And it's very easy to see how it can become really the
06:32:29 center of the fabric of the wholly revitalized community.
06:32:34 So thank you all for everything you're doing to make it
06:32:37 happen.
06:32:37 Councilwoman Capin?
06:32:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Definitely.
06:32:43 >> You got me excited when you said both of you.
06:32:45 Thank you so much.
06:32:46 I have an opportunity as past national alumni president
06:32:50 with Florida A&M to travel over the country, to annual
06:32:53 conventions.
06:32:54 And every year, we were in Houston this past year, we
06:32:57 always go to a historical site.
06:33:00 And so the first thing everybody said to me in the end of
06:33:02 the session, the evaluation and the planning meeting,
06:33:06 where are we going in Tampa?
06:33:08 And I go, you know, I know we can go to Plant City.
06:33:12 Probably can go over to St. Pete with the new area there,
06:33:16 but I go, where do we go in Tampa?
06:33:18 I said you know what, you're going to go to the Jackson
06:33:20 House.
06:33:21 You're going where a tisket, a tasket, I lost my yellow
06:33:26 basket.
06:33:27 That's the kind of energy that we want.
06:33:29 We want to be able to have that as part of the structure
06:33:32 of Tampa historic downtown community across from the
06:33:36 train station.
06:33:37 And we want to also make sure that it's close to Perry
06:33:39 Harvey Park and make at part of the music district.
06:33:43 We have a very excited group of community people that act
06:33:45 just like a board, that come to the meeting of last
06:33:48 Friday of every month, even though we're not doing lunch
06:33:50 now.
06:33:51 They still come.
06:33:52 And then we have the regular --
06:33:54 >>HARRY COHEN: Imagine what will happen if you have
06:33:56 lunch.
06:33:56 >> We had lunch and it was packed.
06:33:58 Guess what, they're still coming without lunch because we
06:34:01 went to the library and didn't want to take food in the
06:34:03 library.
06:34:04 That was our excuse.
06:34:05 But I just wanted to say that because it is going to be
06:34:08 important for us as we move forward to put a structure in
06:34:10 Tampa that's not just music or African-American, but it
06:34:13 also show a part of the structure and the history.
06:34:16 And I love the writing that Amy did in the paper.
06:34:18 She always talk about it in her words are best and you
06:34:21 see it described on the brochure.
06:34:23 Thank you so much.
06:34:24 And we appreciate your support.
06:34:25 We have been working with Dennis.
06:34:27 We're looking for some additional money.
06:34:29 We want to match the 50,000.
06:34:31 [Inaudible]
06:34:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So where would one send a contribution or
06:34:42 donation?
06:34:43 >> You can send them to the P.O. Box I put it on there.
06:34:46 And the web site, we'll pull the web site is up probably,
06:34:50 put a banner across the house while they're working on
06:34:52 it.
06:34:53 But the P.O. Box on there, it can go straight to it.
06:34:56 It's on your brochure.
06:35:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Anyone that wants to make donation, P.O.
06:35:03 Box 173076, Tampa, Florida, 33672.
06:35:09 It is the Jackson House Foundation Inc. and the web site
06:35:12 is www.JacksonHousefoundation.org.
06:35:18 So anyone that is interested, please help out.
06:35:21 >> On behalf of the NAACP right now, they are still
06:35:23 receiving it on their PayPal account.
06:35:27 It will be switched over to ours in days.
06:35:30 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione.
06:35:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one question, Dr. Collins.
06:35:33 On the front of the brochure, where it lists the officers
06:35:37 of the foundation, the very bottom it says vacant
06:35:40 position.
06:35:41 >> Yes, that's the one vacant position we have open and
06:35:43 we think we have another individual from St. Pete that we
06:35:47 think that's coming over.
06:35:49 And that individual is going to be a person that's going
06:35:52 to help us with kicking out this massive media campaign.
06:35:55 And then we're going to be opening up the board to some
06:35:57 additional positions for grant writers to assist us with
06:36:01 some of the things we have been doing.
06:36:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So if anybody --
06:36:05 >> If anybody is interested, that's why I wanted to put
06:36:07 on there vacant position because we want more
06:36:10 individuals.
06:36:11 I understand someone has already met with Mr. Robinson
06:36:14 and say I want to help.
06:36:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Some people can give their treasure,
06:36:19 but those who don't have money can give freely, then they
06:36:24 can also give of their time and their talent.
06:36:27 >> I know people are going to laugh, but if they think
06:36:29 about it, there's a young man Larry McGee.
06:36:32 Larry sits there in that house and he draws.
06:36:34 And every major change and he brings them to the meeting
06:36:37 to us on a monthly basis.
06:36:39 He couldn't get to a meeting because we missed one month.
06:36:42 He mailed them to me.
06:36:44 >> Thank you.
06:36:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just -- what a difference a year makes.
06:36:49 Very good progress and very good hard work.
06:36:53 And it's going to benefit our city.
06:36:56 And thank you all very much.
06:36:58 Thank you, Mr. Depin for being here, Dr. Collins,
06:37:03 Mr. Willie Robinson, who I see in the audience.
06:37:06 Thank you for being here.
06:37:07 And Julia Mandell and of course Mr. Fernandez for
06:37:11 bringing us up to date on this very important project.
06:37:15 And I thank you all very much.
06:37:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, everyone.
06:37:23 All right.
06:37:23 We are going to move -- excuse me.
06:37:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. Robinson wants to say a few words.
06:37:29 >> Hello.
06:37:32 My name is Willie Robinson Jr.
06:37:35 And I am current owner of Jackson House.
06:37:37 We have an individual here who was from Essence Magazine.
06:37:42 He would like to say a few words to the Council.
06:37:45 And I would also like to acknowledge that we have board
06:37:49 members here from the Jackson foundation, Inc.
06:37:53 If you can please stand and be recognized.
06:37:55 Want you to know that we are 100% trying to do -- that's
06:38:04 my daughter.
06:38:04 But anyway, the gentleman here, I'll let him introduce
06:38:10 himself.
06:38:10 >> Good evening, everyone.
06:38:14 Thank you so much for your kind indulgence.
06:38:16 My name is Jonathan Sebastian Blount.
06:38:19 I'm the originating and conceptual founder of Essence
06:38:22 Magazine.
06:38:23 Essence Magazine which I began as a reverse pregnancy.
06:38:29 My godmother planted the seed in 1968 and I carried it to
06:38:32 term.
06:38:33 Raised the first million dollars ever raised by
06:38:36 African-Americans on Wall Street.
06:38:38 And we divested the company in 2006 for over $300 million
06:38:44 to Time, Inc.
06:38:45 So I have a personal commitment to historical
06:38:49 preservation as I'm sure you well understand.
06:38:52 And I also have another capacity.
06:38:55 I act as the advanced reconnaissance emissary for Urban
06:39:02 America and Richmond McCoy, it's chairman.
06:39:02 Urban America is probably the largest development company
06:39:06 owned ands operated by African-Americans in the nation.
06:39:09 We have built commercial buildings.
06:39:10 We have built multiple family housing.
06:39:13 We built mixed use properties.
06:39:15 We're the master developer for Hemstead Long Island, the
06:39:19 city, which is a $2 billion project.
06:39:22 We really concentrated in the last -- just a month ago,
06:39:26 we brought the Sheraton hotel in Orlando in 2006.
06:39:32 We invested 45 million in its renovations and upgrades.
06:39:35 And we just divested the property last month.
06:39:37 And the company is actually looking for new places to
06:39:41 place its time, its talent and its treasure.
06:39:45 And this, we have come into Tampa at the invitation of a
06:39:49 lot of people whose names you will recognize and
06:39:54 particularly with this west side Riverwalk development
06:39:58 project.
06:39:58 So in the last two weeks, our chairman has been here and
06:40:01 spent time on the ground and we have met with just a
06:40:04 number of people from the Mayor to Jim Shimberg to Kim
06:40:08 Madison to the Congresswoman's office, all of these
06:40:12 people and Ernest.
06:40:14 And what's going on here in Tampa is exceptionally
06:40:17 exciting to us.
06:40:18 So I come here to make a personal appeal to let you know
06:40:24 that we have a real interest.
06:40:26 We have a real commitment and we're so absolutely excited
06:40:30 about this particular project.
06:40:32 And as I've said to them, this has been done before.
06:40:36 And it was done with the Wells' Built Hotel in Orlando.
06:40:41 Dr. William Monroe Wells, that was a place where Ray
06:40:45 Charles and everybody came.
06:40:46 They stayed in the hotel and they performed at the
06:40:48 casino.
06:40:49 We couldn't save the casino but we were able to preserve
06:40:51 the hotel.
06:40:52 And Senator Geraldine Thompson is the one who spearheaded
06:40:56 that project.
06:40:57 And before you fill your board, I'd like you to at least
06:40:59 have a conversation with her because she knows how to
06:41:02 raise all the money.
06:41:03 She knows how to do all the restoration.
06:41:05 And she -- it is now run as a museum.
06:41:09 And on the first floor, it is a great space for events
06:41:12 and activities and it has artifacts and museum pieces and
06:41:17 treasures all around.
06:41:18 So people, you know, it is now a destination point.
06:41:21 But then upstairs it has office spaces and office
06:41:24 facilities.
06:41:25 So there are three income streams that it maintains.
06:41:28 And I certainly think that this can happen here.
06:41:31 I am -- I really just want to say that also I happen to
06:41:34 have a good friend of mine who has developed the process
06:41:37 over the past 25 years, federal government gave him the
06:41:40 contract to seal asbestos.
06:41:43 His product is called Amphi-Seal and Amphi-Coat and it
06:41:47 completely seals and lasts 20 years.
06:41:50 The colors, requires no maintenance.
06:41:52 He's a pretty much of a philanthropist, so I'm going to
06:41:57 invite him to come to see whatever he can be helpful in
06:42:01 this process.
06:42:02 I have so much excitement about the support from the city
06:42:06 and the support from the community, for this incredible
06:42:08 project.
06:42:09 And I tell you, this woman is an absolute treasure.
06:42:11 I haven't met anybody in a long time that had her
06:42:16 savoir-faire and panache.
06:42:19 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much for sharing your
06:42:21 enthusiasm with us.
06:42:22 We're enthusiastic too.
06:42:24 That's a good way to move to our land use hearings, which
06:42:27 we're also enthusiastic about.
06:42:29 [ Laughter ]
06:42:30 >>HARRY COHEN: We are going to move on now to item number
06:42:32 3.
06:42:36 >> Sir?
06:42:37 If I may, can I clear the agenda?
06:42:40 Mary Samaniego.
06:42:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes, sure.
06:42:41 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Item number 6, the applicant has
06:42:43 requested a continuance to the August 20th meeting.
06:42:46 I have continuance letters in my hand.
06:42:49 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, before we take a motion to continue,
06:42:52 let me ask if there's anyone from the public who would
06:42:54 like to speak on the issue of whether or not to grant a
06:42:58 continuance on item number 6.
06:43:00 We're only listening to testimony about the continuance
06:43:03 itself.
06:43:04 Yes?
06:43:08 >> I'm just explaining and supporting.
06:43:11 Clayton Bricklemyer, 400 North Ashley.
06:43:14 I am representing the applicant.
06:43:17 The neighbors to the north, we wanted 30 extra days to
06:43:21 work with.
06:43:22 They have an issue we're trying to help them with.
06:43:24 And the 30 days ought to be able to smooth it all out and
06:43:27 staff was supportive.
06:43:30 >>HARRY COHEN: So you are looking then at either
06:43:31 August 20th in the evening or if that's too soon, it
06:43:35 would be September 15th.
06:43:37 >> It actually needs to be August 20th, contractually, we
06:43:41 run into problems if it is not August 20th.
06:43:47 >> Yes, there's plenty of room on that agenda.
06:43:49 >>HARRY COHEN: So the question would be then a
06:43:51 continuance to August 20th.
06:43:52 Is there anyone from the public that wishes to speak on
06:43:55 the continuance?
06:43:57 I don't see anyone.
06:43:59 >> Move to August 20th, 6:00 p.m.
06:44:03 >> Second.
06:44:03 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion to continue from
06:44:05 Councilman Suarez, seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
06:44:07 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
06:44:09 Opposed?
06:44:10 All right.
06:44:12 That is continued to the 20th of August.
06:44:14 Is there anything else that needs to be dealt with before
06:44:17 we go into the main agenda?
06:44:19 >> If Council would please receive and file all documents
06:44:21 that have been available for public inspection.
06:44:23 >> So moved.
06:44:24 >> Second.
06:44:25 >>HARRY COHEN: Motion from Councilwoman Montelione,
06:44:27 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
06:44:28 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
06:44:31 Opposed.
06:44:32 Thank you.
06:44:33 Go ahead.
06:44:34 >> We're ready to get going.
06:44:37 >>HARRY COHEN: We'll start with item number 3.
06:44:39 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Mary Samaniego, land development
06:44:41 coordination, item number three is REZ 14-37, rezoning
06:44:46 request from RS-60 to RS-50 for the properties located at
06:44:51 3820 and 3822 West Santiago Street.
06:44:57 >> Good evening, Councilmembers, David Hey with your
06:44:59 Planning Commission staff.
06:45:00 I have been sworn.
06:45:01 We start tonight down in the South Tampa planning
06:45:06 district.
06:45:07 The .23-acre subject site is located near the corner of
06:45:12 west -- southeast corner of West Santiago Street and
06:45:16 South Church Avenue right there.
06:45:18 It's located within the Virginia Park neighborhood.
06:45:23 It is located within proximity to transit along south
06:45:27 Dale Mabry Highway.
06:45:28 And it is the within a level C evacuation zone.
06:45:32 On to the aerial, the subject site is right here.
06:45:41 Here's Santiago street.
06:45:42 We have got Dale Mabry running north-south, to the east
06:45:47 and Bay to Bay running east-west to the north.
06:45:49 You can see there is some office development,
06:45:54 neighborhood supporting uses right along this segment of
06:45:57 south Dale Mabry.
06:45:57 There's office uses some up on Bay to Bay and the
06:46:01 majority of the neighborhood is single-family detached.
06:46:04 On to the future land use map, the subject site and all
06:46:10 the properties in this tan color are residential 10.
06:46:14 It goes up to residential 20 along this segment of south
06:46:17 Dale Mabry.
06:46:18 And the yellow color to the north is the residential 6.
06:46:22 Overall planning commission staff found that the proposed
06:46:25 rezoning to RS-50 to allow for the development of two
06:46:30 single-family detached residential units would be keeping
06:46:33 the development pattern envisioned under the residential
06:46:35 10 future land use category.
06:46:38 The proposed density of 8 units per acre is consistent
06:46:41 with the underlying future land use category, which
06:46:44 allows consideration of up to ten units per acre.
06:46:47 Your comprehensive plan does promote infill that is
06:46:50 comparable and in context with the overall development
06:46:52 pattern of the surrounding neighborhood.
06:46:55 The applicant is proposing those two single-family
06:46:58 detached residential units.
06:47:00 Planning Commission staff does not share the view that
06:47:03 just because they proposed lot does not match the
06:47:06 majority of lot widths within the subdivision that this
06:47:10 is incompatible with the neighborhood.
06:47:13 The staff report from the city includes policy 18.4.10
06:47:19 dealing with development.
06:47:22 The objective connected with that policy states
06:47:26 compatible development and redevelopment to sustain
06:47:30 stable neighborhoods and ensure the social and economic
06:47:33 health of the city, it focuses on that compatibility
06:47:36 statement.
06:47:37 We're all well aware of the definition of compatibility
06:47:39 in the comp plan, is slightly different.
06:47:43 It basically says it doesn't have to be the same as.
06:47:46 And you deal with it through slight variances in
06:47:51 architecture and things like that.
06:47:52 So planning commissioner staff professional finding is we
06:47:55 must continue to provide for sensitive growth within all
06:47:58 areas of the city, including many single detached
06:48:01 residential areas, within the density limits under the
06:48:04 underlying future land use category.
06:48:06 The proposed rezoning provides for additional housing
06:48:09 choices also without altering overall neighborhood
06:48:11 context, such as with multi-family development or town
06:48:15 home development.
06:48:16 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals,
06:48:19 objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan,
06:48:21 Planning Commission staff finds the rezoning request
06:48:24 consistent with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
06:48:27 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
06:48:28 Are there any questions from Councilmembers before we
06:48:31 move on to staff?
06:48:32 Thank you.
06:48:34 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Thank you, David.
06:48:36 I'll go over and show you some information about the
06:48:45 property.
06:48:46 I won't show you another aerial since you just saw one.
06:48:53 Here's rezoning map of the area.
06:48:55 Here's the petition site.
06:48:59 In black.
06:49:01 There are several commercial developments that have
06:49:04 happened in office developments that have happened along
06:49:06 Dale Mabry.
06:49:07 The majority of the site of those neighborhood rather,
06:49:11 Virginia Park is zoned RS-60.
06:49:13 However over time, there have been rezonings either to PD
06:49:17 or RS-50 for subdivisions less than 60 square feet.
06:49:24 6,000 square feet and 60-foot lot width, sporadically
06:49:30 throughout this area over the last few years.
06:49:32 Here is the conformity map that we did the analysis on.
06:49:37 As you're all aware the red-blue map.
06:49:40 This map is slightly different than the one in your
06:49:43 packet because one of the properties here in gray I
06:49:45 erroneously -- there's an issue with the zoning map,
06:49:49 thought it was a residential lot.
06:49:51 However, it's retail.
06:49:52 So the numbers have been corrected.
06:49:55 The total of 92 lots were analyzed in this six block
06:49:59 area.
06:50:00 60 lots within the area were found to be conforming,
06:50:03 which comes up with 65%.
06:50:05 Conforming is conforming with the RS-60 zoning district
06:50:08 and those design standards.
06:50:10 And 35% or 32 of the total lots were found to be
06:50:15 nonconforming or less than 60 feet in lot width.
06:50:19 Looking at the subject lot, there are 14 lots looked at,
06:50:23 reviewed.
06:50:24 Eight were found to be conforming or 57%.
06:50:27 And 6 were found to be nonconforming.
06:50:29 Here are some photographs of the petition site.
06:50:34 As I stated earlier, it includes two separate addresses
06:50:39 and properties.
06:50:40 The one furthest to the east is vacant.
06:50:45 Now we're moving west.
06:50:46 This is the second, this is an existing house, second
06:50:51 half of the subject property.
06:50:53 Across the street on Santiago is existing house.
06:50:55 Now we're moving back on the northside of Santiago, we're
06:51:00 going to go around the street.
06:51:02 Across Santiago, another single-family house.
06:51:07 Continuing on to the east, developed houses.
06:51:13 This is the property at the corner of Dale Mabry and
06:51:16 Santiago.
06:51:17 This is across currently under construction.
06:51:20 The retail use.
06:51:21 Coming back towards subject property on the same said of
06:51:25 the street, newer houses have been developed.
06:51:29 As you can see.
06:51:29 Along with the historic houses.
06:51:32 As I stated earlier, this is the Euclidean zoning,
06:51:40 requesting to rezone to RS-50.
06:51:42 The subject property is 100 by 100, so if the rezoning
06:51:45 were granted, each lot would be 50 by 100, which is
06:51:48 conforming with the RS-50 zoning standards.
06:51:50 Any future development would have to comply with the
06:51:53 RS-50 zoning standard, being 5,000 square foot, 50-foot
06:51:59 lot width, front setback, 20.
06:52:02 Side is 7 and rear is 20 as well with 35-foot height.
06:52:04 Beyond that, do you have any questions?
06:52:09 >>HARRY COHEN: Any questions from Councilmembers at this
06:52:11 time?
06:52:11 Don't see any right now.
06:52:13 Petitioner?
06:52:33 >> Good evening, councilmembers, Gina Grimes with the law
06:52:36 firm of Hill Ward Henderson, 101 East Kennedy Boulevard,
06:52:40 Suite 3700.
06:52:41 I am representing both the property owners, the property
06:52:48 owner of 3820 Santiago, which is Mobley Custom Homes and
06:52:57 3822, which is Gayle and Michael Ragone.
06:53:01 Gayle is with me this evening.
06:53:04 Each of those parties purchased their lot individually at
06:53:09 different times of the year, about one year ago.
06:53:12 Effectively this rezoning is a remedial rezoning because
06:53:17 as you heard, even though the lots are zoned RS-60,
06:53:21 they've already been split into separate ownership.
06:53:25 One owned by the Ragones, the other owned by Mobley
06:53:27 Custom Homes.
06:53:29 Even though they were purchased separately, they were
06:53:32 told by the city that the seller was not authorized to
06:53:37 split those lots and that they would have to come in and
06:53:40 do this rezoning in order to make the lots conforming
06:53:43 lots in order to make the vacant lot a buildable lot.
06:53:46 And to understand why the sellers and why the buyers all
06:53:52 thought that each of these lots were separate buildable
06:53:55 lots, I have to go through a little bit of the
06:53:57 transactional history.
06:53:59 And unfortunately take you back to 1915, a hundred years
06:54:02 ago.
06:54:03 [ Laughter ]
06:54:05 >>HARRY COHEN: We did that when we did the centennial.
06:54:07 So we are familiar with that era.
06:54:11 >> That's actually when Virginia Park was platted, was a
06:54:15 hundred years ago, 1915.
06:54:16 When it was platted it was platted with 50-foot lots,
06:54:19 52-foot lots and 55-foot lots.
06:54:21 The 52s and 55s were near the corners.
06:54:25 Some of the lots were purchased with one home on one lot,
06:54:29 some of the lots were purchased with one home on two
06:54:32 lots.
06:54:33 And this particular case, moving forward, to 1932, is
06:54:38 when the one home was constructed on the one lot at 3822
06:54:44 Santiago.
06:54:44 And that's where Gayle lives with her husband right now,
06:54:48 in that separate lot.
06:54:49 And to go back and understand why Gayle is one of the
06:54:56 buyers, the sellers were named the Beckers, and in 1971,
06:55:01 they acquired the lot that the Ragones now own, that
06:55:06 single 52-foot wide lot at 3822 they acquired that from
06:55:11 the Beckers acquired it from the previous owner in 1971.
06:55:14 And the Beckers lived in that house for 42 years and then
06:55:18 in May of 2013, they sold it to the Ragones.
06:55:21 What also happened was in 1974, three years after the
06:55:25 Beckers moved into and bought that house, by a separate
06:55:30 deed and from separate sellers, they bought the adjacent
06:55:33 vacant lot next door.
06:55:34 And from 1974 when they purchased it all the way up to
06:55:39 2013 when they sold it to Mobley homes, they never built
06:55:44 a home on it.
06:55:45 They never built an addition to their home that went over
06:55:47 the property line.
06:55:48 They never did anything that required the combination of
06:55:52 both of those lots into one zoning lot.
06:55:57 Again, in July of 2013 is when they sold it to Mobley
06:56:01 homes.
06:56:02 So what we have right now was a situation where there
06:56:05 were two separate platted lots, the Beckers acquired them
06:56:08 separately and it appears their intent was for that to be
06:56:12 an investment property for them.
06:56:14 They bought the property where their home is situated and
06:56:18 the vacant lot three years apart.
06:56:20 They maintained them as separate and then after 42 years,
06:56:24 sold them as, sold both lots as the vacant lot as their
06:56:29 nest egg and then they retired and they are no longer
06:56:32 living in the area.
06:56:32 And the reason that the Beckers thought that the lots
06:56:38 were to be separate was because they had, they thought
06:56:42 they acquired them in separate transactions by separate
06:56:44 deeds.
06:56:45 However, because the lots were in both of their names,
06:56:48 both Mr. Becker and Mrs. Becker's name, each time they
06:56:51 acquired the property, the city by operation of code says
06:56:56 that whenever you have more than one residential
06:56:58 nonconforming lot in single ownership, meaning the same
06:57:02 ownership, with continuous frontage, then we're going to
06:57:06 combine them and make them a single zoning lot.
06:57:08 So they took that vacant lot and they combined it by
06:57:11 code, by operation of law, with the lot where the home
06:57:15 was situated.
06:57:17 And they told the buyers that the only way now to make
06:57:21 them conforming is to come in and go through this
06:57:24 rezoning process.
06:57:26 I wanted to mention also as far as the staff report is
06:57:30 concerned.
06:57:31 I know there's a finding of inconsistency and Mary read
06:57:34 to you the percentages.
06:57:36 66 conforming, 34% nonconforming.
06:57:41 On the block it's a little better in our favor, it's 60%
06:57:45 conforming, 40% nonconforming.
06:57:48 So there are more nonconforming lots on this block than
06:57:51 in the study area.
06:57:52 However, the one thing you'll find when you drive in this
06:57:55 area or even if you look at the aerials or you look at
06:57:58 the property ownership information, like Mary and I both
06:58:01 did, is that it's very difficult to determine which lots
06:58:04 are conforming and which are nonconforming.
06:58:08 It's driving through the area, you can't necessarily
06:58:11 tell, you know, because some people don't have two full
06:58:15 lots.
06:58:15 They just have enough to give them the RS-60 width.
06:58:18 And so, if you can't determine the number of conforming
06:58:23 and nonconforming lots, then it's also difficult to
06:58:26 determine what the development pattern is and the
06:58:27 percentages.
06:58:28 And I just want to mention that earlier this year,
06:58:32 January, February of this year, I represented another
06:58:35 property owner who proposed the same type of rezoning,
06:58:39 from 60 to 50, just a block away.
06:58:43 And what's interesting about that is that a different
06:58:47 staff person did that report.
06:58:49 I know Mary and Abbye work together on these reports.
06:58:52 But even in the same study area, and you have these --
06:59:00 you have the maps in your book of materials.
06:59:02 Even in the same study area, two different people doing
06:59:05 it -- and I'm sure if I did it I would come up with a
06:59:08 different designations for each of these lots as well.
06:59:11 But this is the report that Abbye did in February.
06:59:16 And this is the one that Mary did for this subject case.
06:59:20 And these two lots were the commercial lots, or
06:59:22 non-residential lots that weren't correctly identified.
06:59:25 And some is this, it's not Mary's fault, it's the zoning
06:59:29 maps aren't updated all the time or aren't consistently
06:59:33 updated.
06:59:33 Abbye has designated some of these lots, you'll see these
06:59:38 two blocks match up.
06:59:40 These four blocks right here are identical blocks.
06:59:43 I've just taped over it.
06:59:45 But Abbye has identified this lot right here as
06:59:50 conforming, while Mary found it to be nonconforming.
06:59:54 Like wiles, on the next block down, these two lots were
06:59:58 designated by Mary as conforming, whereas Abbye has them
07:00:03 as nonconforming.
07:00:04 Same thing right here on this lot.
07:00:07 Abbye designates it as conforming.
07:00:10 Mary designates it as nonconforming.
07:00:12 And then this particular property in green right here is
07:00:15 the one we did the RS-60 to 50 rezoning for back in
07:00:20 Nebraska.
07:00:20 So I know for certain personally that these are
07:00:25 nonconforming lots because they're each 50 feet and they
07:00:28 were split.
07:00:28 So, you could have ten different people do this
07:00:32 evaluation and you'd come up with probably ten different
07:00:35 determinations as to which lots are conforming and which
07:00:37 are nonconforming.
07:00:39 Well, when you don't know the correct numbers or the
07:00:41 numbers are up to the discretion of whoever is reviewing
07:00:44 this information, then you're not going to come up with
07:00:47 what the correct percentages are of conforming lots to
07:00:52 nonconforming lots.
07:00:53 And to give you an example, when you correct this map and
07:01:01 you identify the correct number of conforming and
07:01:04 nonconforming lots as I've shown, then the total number
07:01:08 of lots, which are, or the percentage of lots in this
07:01:14 study area, which are conforming is only 59%.
07:01:18 And the number of lots in the study area which are
07:01:21 nonconforming is 41.
07:01:23 For the subject block, the percentages are even more in
07:01:29 our favor because only 50% of the lots in the subject
07:01:35 block are conforming, meaning 60 feet or wider and 43%,
07:01:39 almost half, are considered nonconforming because they're
07:01:43 less than 60 feet wide.
07:01:45 So, as you see, it's difficult and you're really almost
07:01:51 splitting hairs in determining which lots are conforming,
07:01:53 which are nonconforming and then likewise the
07:01:56 percentages.
07:01:56 We think based on these recalculated percentages that you
07:02:01 can see that it's really a judgment call.
07:02:04 In this particular block, almost half the lots are
07:02:07 conforming and half are nonconforming.
07:02:10 We also think that given the intent of the sellers and
07:02:13 having kept that lot separate and having acquired it
07:02:17 separate and having it been a separately platted lot,
07:02:20 that that also supports rezoning to RS-50 to allow these
07:02:25 each to be two separate lots.
07:02:27 And then lastly I wanted to mention that it's been
07:02:30 mentioned in other public hearings that whenever you get
07:02:34 to the periphery of these neighborhoods and you get
07:02:37 closer and closer to the residential, like this -- or
07:02:40 closer and closer to commercial, this is the last block
07:02:43 before Dale Mabry Highway.
07:02:44 That usually the intensities go up, as you see, as you go
07:02:50 more towards the west and towards center of Virginia
07:02:52 Park, then the intensities would go down.
07:02:55 So here we are in the last block before Dale Mabry
07:02:59 Highway, which is a commercial corridor.
07:03:03 And we also think it's appropriate for that reason for
07:03:06 the densities to go up and for the rezoning to be
07:03:09 justified from 60 to 50.
07:03:11 So, with that, we would ask for your approval.
07:03:16 We think that it is -- it clearly was the intent of the
07:03:21 sellers and the understanding of the buyers that these
07:03:22 were separate buildable lots based on the transactional
07:03:26 history.
07:03:27 And we would appreciate your support.
07:03:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione?
07:03:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Actually, this question is for Mary.
07:03:39 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Yes?
07:03:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
07:03:41 Can you maybe explain why the differences between your
07:03:50 identifying lots as either conforming or nonconforming as
07:03:53 the case may be?
07:03:54 And Ms. Feeley's?
07:03:57 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: I don't know if I can explain that.
07:03:58 I know when I do the map, I measure each lot and then I
07:04:03 also compare it with the legal description.
07:04:05 And it takes me almost a day per map.
07:04:09 I mean, it's just a different way you look at it.
07:04:13 It's the most quantitative procedure that we have used in
07:04:17 the past.
07:04:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I don't -- it doesn't make sense
07:04:24 that the two of you would come up with different -- I
07:04:26 mean I understand that some of the lots that were
07:04:30 recently divided, like the one that Ms. Grimes pointed
07:04:35 out, that was subdivided in February, that the map may
07:04:41 not have been updated, so those are two lots now, but
07:04:46 they weren't, you know, before February.
07:04:48 But for the others, that there hadn't been a change, I
07:04:54 don't understand how they're being measured differently.
07:04:59 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Perhaps I made a mistake on some of
07:05:01 them.
07:05:01 That's all I can say.
07:05:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Do you want to speculate, Ms. Grimes?
07:05:09 It seemed like you had.
07:05:13 >> You can spend inordinate amount of time determining
07:05:15 the lot widths of all these lots and looking at a big
07:05:19 study area.
07:05:20 For instance, the study area Mary did I think was six
07:05:24 blocks and the one Abbye did was nine blocks.
07:05:27 The other thing too, Ms. Montelione, aside from the
07:05:31 difference in the lot widths or how, whether the lots are
07:05:34 determined to be conforming or nonconforming, there's no
07:05:37 real fix perched threshold in your code as to when it's
07:05:42 acceptable to rezone or down zone from 60 to 50, like
07:05:46 what the percentage has to be.
07:05:48 Does it have to be 50-50?
07:05:50 Is 60-40 okay?
07:05:54 Is 65-45 appropriate or better?
07:05:56 It's all of this collectively is, it's not -- it's more
07:06:01 an art than it is a science.
07:06:03 And so you're going to get different conclusions and each
07:06:06 conclusion you make when you go on to make the next
07:06:09 conclusion, if the underlying premise is not correct,
07:06:11 then the next conclusion about the percentage is not
07:06:14 going to be correct.
07:06:15 And so, it's not easy to do.
07:06:19 It's very, a lot of the information online is
07:06:21 inconsistent.
07:06:22 Like friends, even the zoning maps, I put in your packet
07:06:27 of materials the corrected zoning map.
07:06:29 The one that we, the rezoning we just did in February,
07:06:33 the city zoning map shows it as PD and it was RS-50.
07:06:37 And know that because we did it ourselves.
07:06:40 And I -- you know, so again, a lot of the information you
07:06:44 pick up is not consistent.
07:06:47 That has to be part of the reason why the numbers aren't
07:06:51 matching up.
07:06:52 But I do know back in February when we had the same
07:06:57 situation, going from 60 to 50, the percentages were
07:07:02 actually more conservative than the percentages now, in
07:07:06 this case.
07:07:07 And the recommendation by staff then was for it to be --
07:07:11 they had finding of consistency, knots inconsistency as
07:07:14 they did in this case.
07:07:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
07:07:16 I guess what disturbs me even on larger scale is that, is
07:07:21 that we're finding discrepancies in the zoning maps.
07:07:24 And they're incorrect.
07:07:25 You're an attorney.
07:07:27 You do this for a living.
07:07:28 And you spotted that.
07:07:29 But somebody who is not represented by Council who comes
07:07:32 in for a rezoning may not spot that there is a mistake.
07:07:37 And so, I know some of our staff loves to watch from
07:07:44 home, these hearings.
07:07:46 And I think that's something if they're out there
07:07:49 listening that we need to look into and get, you know,
07:07:52 get those things corrected.
07:07:55 >> The couple that I corrected, I went in and actually
07:07:57 pulled the ordinances up to make sure that I was right
07:08:00 and understanding that they were RS-50s and not PUDs.
07:08:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Got it.
07:08:05 Thank you.
07:08:08 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Thank you.
07:08:09 I can say briefly, when it was found out or realized that
07:08:15 some of the zoning maps had not been updated, it was
07:08:18 brought to everybody's attention and we did an audit of
07:08:21 all the zonings back to 2012 to double-check all the maps
07:08:25 to make sure everybody is right.
07:08:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So then how is it that this red-green?
07:08:30 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: The updated maps just went live like
07:08:33 this week.
07:08:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
07:08:35 Well, great.
07:08:37 Thank you, staff.
07:08:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Suarez.
07:08:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ms. Grimes, I have a quick question.
07:08:42 Just want to get this right in my head about what
07:08:44 happened with the two lots.
07:08:46 The lots when they originally were bought -- I'll wait
07:08:50 until you're done and I'll come back to it.
07:08:53 Ms. Grimes, come on up.
07:08:55 I don't want to ask a question and you're not hearing me.
07:08:57 >> I'm sorry.
07:08:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just want to make sure you're listening so
07:09:00 when I ask the question you'll get it.
07:09:02 The question I have is that, I want to get this correct.
07:09:06 The original purchase of the lot back when it first got
07:09:10 created in 1915 and 1930s, I think you said the
07:09:15 original, or the last owners of the property before your
07:09:21 client had it, correct?
07:09:22 That was the one that had it for quite sometime.
07:09:25 >> The Beckers owned it for 42 years.
07:09:27 But they bought it in '71.
07:09:29 It was built in '37.
07:09:32 >> But it had -- '32.
07:09:35 >> But it had not changed from '32 to '71 when they had
07:09:39 it.
07:09:39 >> Right.
07:09:40 >> And they just continued on the way it was from that
07:09:43 point forward.
07:09:44 My point is that from 1932 until when the Beckers sold
07:09:48 it, it had essentially been exactly the same condition,
07:09:52 meaning one home on one lot.
07:09:54 >> Right.
07:09:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And sent lot on the other, an empty lot
07:09:57 next door.
07:09:58 >> Correct.
07:09:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The reason I'm asking is because you know,
07:10:01 when we look at this, and you know, we do, I do
07:10:05 especially look at the conforming, nonconforming, I want
07:10:08 to make sure there's consistency in terms of how we zone,
07:10:12 what we're doing in terms of the land use itself.
07:10:16 Between a 50 and 60, you can have an argument, is that a
07:10:20 big change, small change?
07:10:21 It depends on whose ox is being gored.
07:10:24 So I just wanted to make sure because that's always been
07:10:27 an empty lot in the mind -- excuse me, not an empty lot.
07:10:30 A yard, someone's yard for that house.
07:10:34 For, you know, more than 70 years.
07:10:36 So, I just wanted to make sure I understood what was
07:10:39 there and why it may have, maybe someone might have an
07:10:43 issue with it or not, about why we have to look at this.
07:10:47 Because just looking at the conforming, nonconforming, I
07:10:50 agree with you, it is not the only thing to look at.
07:10:53 I know I don't look at only that.
07:10:55 It is important though and thank you for bringing up the
07:10:58 point that there may be some inconsistencies in terms of
07:11:02 when these maps are given to us going forward.
07:11:06 So that's something we're definitely going to look at.
07:11:09 But just wanted to make sure I was correct that that has
07:11:11 not essentially exchanged since 1932.
07:11:13 >> No.
07:11:14 Way should've included was the survey.
07:11:15 And it does show the existing home and it was, it's built
07:11:21 eight and a half feet away from the vacant lot.
07:11:25 Sometimes when people buy two lots, like even after the
07:11:28 fact, after their home is existing, they buy the adjacent
07:11:31 lot, they appear to put it to some use and it doesn't
07:11:34 appear that that was the case in this situation where
07:11:36 they didn't put a pool there or have, you know, play
07:11:40 ground equipment or play equipment.
07:11:43 There was a covered patio.
07:11:45 The vacant lot survey shows a covered patio in the back.
07:11:49 But it was built, looks like it was built in accordance
07:11:53 with setback because it's four feet from the side
07:11:56 property line.
07:11:57 This is where the home is.
07:11:58 And this is the vacant lot.
07:12:00 So, and there's a metal shed and then just this concrete
07:12:04 covered patio.
07:12:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As you know, this is not something that's
07:12:08 unusual for the City of Tampa.
07:12:09 Where somebody might have a smaller home on a much bigger
07:12:12 lot, because the way it had been platted, the way they
07:12:16 had inherited or way they originally bought it.
07:12:20 That's not an unusual thing.
07:12:21 I was just curious because especially in that part of
07:12:24 South Tampa, there's a tendency to, you know, nature
07:12:29 forms a vacuum, so property in south Tampa, typically
07:12:32 something goes up fairly quickly when it changes hands.
07:12:35 I was just surprised that, you know, you had one of those
07:12:38 type of lots there.
07:12:39 I'm familiar with the place because I've been done
07:12:41 Santiago many times.
07:12:42 And it is something that you don't see as often in that
07:12:45 neighborhood, which is a smaller home with two lots
07:12:49 connected.
07:12:50 And it's, you know, essentially been there forever.
07:12:53 >> And they held on to it for the 42 -- 39 years they
07:12:57 held on to the vacant lot, 42 years to their home.
07:13:01 >> Thank you, miss Grimes.
07:13:03 Thank you, chair.
07:13:05 >>HARRY COHEN: Anyone else?
07:13:05 All right.
07:13:06 Is there anyone from the public that would like to
07:13:10 address Council on this item?
07:13:12 >> Move to close.
07:13:15 >> Before we do petitioner, do you have any sort rebuttal
07:13:19 against any of the public comment that we didn't hear?
07:13:22 [ Laughter ]
07:13:22 >> No.
07:13:24 Thank you.
07:13:25 >> Move to close.
07:13:26 >> Second.
07:13:27 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion to close by Councilwoman
07:13:28 Capin, seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
07:13:31 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
07:13:34 Opposed?
07:13:35 All right.
07:13:36 Councilman Suarez, could you please take item number
07:13:38 three?
07:13:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move an ordinance for first reading
07:13:41 conditions are, an ordinance rezoning property in the
07:13:43 general vicinity of 3820 and 3822 West Santiago Street,
07:13:47 in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly
07:13:49 described in section 1, from zoning district
07:13:52 classification RS-60 residential single-family, to RS-50,
07:13:56 residential single-family, providing an effective date.
07:13:59 >> Second.
07:13:59 >>HARRY COHEN: I have a motion from Councilman Suarez,
07:14:02 seconded by Councilman Miranda.
07:14:04 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
07:14:06 Opposed.
07:14:08 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
07:14:11 Maniscalco being absent at vote.
07:14:12 Second reading and adoption will be August 6th at
07:14:15 9:30 a.m.
07:14:17 >>HARRY COHEN: We are going to move on to item number
07:14:19 four.
07:14:22 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Item number 4 on your agenda is REZ
07:14:27 15-39.
07:14:29 It's rezoning request again from RS-60 to RS-50 for the
07:14:33 property located 3223 West Paul Avenue.
07:14:37 >> Good evening, Councilmembers, David Hey with your
07:14:42 Planning Commission staff.
07:14:42 I have been sworn.
07:14:44 We continue our cases in South Tampa planning district.
07:14:48 The .31-acre subject site is located northeast corner of
07:14:53 south Sheraton road and west Paul avenue.
07:14:56 It is located within the Gandy Sun Bay South
07:14:59 neighborhood.
07:14:59 There is transit within proximity on MacDill Avenue.
07:15:05 And the site is located within a level B evacuation zone.
07:15:10 On to the aerial.
07:15:12 Subject site is right in the middle.
07:15:22 We have Gandy Boulevard up to the north.
07:15:25 MacDill is over to the east, or right.
07:15:29 And Himes Avenue is over to the west.
07:15:32 You can see south of the properties that front along
07:15:39 Gandy, it's mostly single-family detached residential,
07:15:43 with some office and commercial located up on Gandy
07:15:46 boulevard.
07:15:47 On to the land use map, the subject site and all the
07:15:53 parcels surrounding it are in that R-10 future land use
07:15:57 category.
07:15:58 MacDill and Gandy Boulevard are mostly community mixed
07:16:03 use 35.
07:16:04 With some more intense commercial located west along
07:16:08 Gandy, the target, and down toward Dale Mabry Highway.
07:16:12 Overall planning commission staff found the proposed
07:16:16 rezoning to RS-50 to allow nor the development of two
07:16:18 single-family detached residential units would be in
07:16:21 keeping with the development pattern envisioned under
07:16:23 that residential 10 future land use category.
07:16:26 The proposed density six units per acre is consistent
07:16:30 with underlying future land use categories, which allows
07:16:34 up to ten units per acre.
07:16:35 The comprehensive plan does promote infill development
07:16:38 like the last one.
07:16:40 And that this, the proposal for RS-50 would be comparable
07:16:44 to the existing mixture of single-family detached
07:16:47 residential uses found within this portion of the Gandy
07:16:50 Sun Bay South neighborhood.
07:16:51 So therefore, based on those findings and the goals,
07:16:54 objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan,
07:16:56 Planning Commission staff finds the rezoning request
07:16:59 consistent with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
07:17:05 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Thank you, David.
07:17:06 Mary Samaniego, again, this is a rezoning request from
07:17:10 RS-60 to RS-50.
07:17:12 Here is a zoning map.
07:17:20 Subject property is in green.
07:17:21 And as you can see, most of tropical terrace unit one
07:17:26 subdivision is RS-60.
07:17:28 Look at the pictures.
07:17:37 Here is a copy of the subject property from Paul street.
07:17:42 It's right on the corner of Paul and Sheridan.
07:17:47 Here is a picture of the subject property from Sheridan
07:17:52 and the back of the property along Sheridan.
07:17:54 This is across the street.
07:17:56 And know we're going to start moving, we just came this
07:18:02 way, now we're going to start moving on the same side of
07:18:05 Paul and then cross the street and go across.
07:18:07 Vacant lot.
07:18:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mary, can you move the pictures up a
07:18:13 little bit?
07:18:14 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Yes, ma'am.
07:18:15 Thank you.
07:18:15 Here's a single-family residence on the same side of the
07:18:21 street.
07:18:21 And continuing to the east.
07:18:23 More single story, single-family residence.
07:18:28 This is across the street, now coming back to the west.
07:18:31 Single story, single-family residence.
07:18:35 And across.
07:18:37 Continuing on, same scale of properties.
07:18:44 And these properties are directly across the street.
07:18:49 And this one is across the intersection of Paul and
07:18:52 Sheridan.
07:18:52 I completed conforming map on the subject property.
07:19:02 The property is in green.
07:19:04 With this map tax I tried to do something different.
07:19:11 Sometimes the conforming nonconforming map doesn't really
07:19:16 capture recent or rezonings to RS-50, because it's kinds
07:19:20 of a separate issue to look at.
07:19:21 So, I went ahead and created a new color for properties
07:19:26 that have been -- it's a combo of red and blue because
07:19:29 they're conforming with RS-50 but they're not conforming
07:19:32 with the analysis that we're doing for greater than 60
07:19:35 and less than 60.
07:19:37 So for just to understand really the development pattern.
07:19:41 So, based on this analysis, 183 lots were reviewed.
07:19:46 116 were found to be conforming with RS-60 standards.
07:19:50 60 or 34% were found to be nonconforming.
07:19:53 And then three percent or six lots in the study area have
07:19:57 been rezoned to PD or RS-50.
07:20:00 Similarly on the block, there are 16 lots and eight
07:20:04 lots -- I'm sorry, six lots senior conforming and a total
07:20:09 of ten lots are nonconforming.
07:20:11 Again, you can see, here's the subject property.
07:20:16 All this blue.
07:20:17 This whole block pretty much has been converted to the
07:20:21 RS-50 standards.
07:20:22 And these are all 50-foot lots.
07:20:26 Based on that, staff found the proposal consistent with
07:20:33 the land development code and the surrounding development
07:20:36 pattern in the immediate area.
07:20:38 If and when this rezoning a granted, all future
07:20:41 development would have to comply with the RS-50 zoning
07:20:44 standards, being setbacks of 20 feet for fronts.
07:20:48 7 for the sides, and 20 for the rear and 35-foot height.
07:20:53 Again, as I stated, this subdivision was in tropical
07:20:59 terrace.
07:21:02 That had a lot of varying widths from 50-foot up to
07:21:08 almost 66 feet on the corners.
07:21:09 Again, based on the development pattern it appears that
07:21:12 most of the people developed it as one lot, one house.
07:21:16 So staff found it consistent.
07:21:19 Do you have any questions for me at this time?
07:21:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Don't see any questions at this time.
07:21:25 But we will see how it progresses.
07:21:28 Is the petitioner here?
07:21:29 >> My name is Jeffrey Undorf.
07:21:39 I'm the petitioner for this rezoning.
07:21:41 When I initially went down to the city to this property
07:21:46 is large enough to actually accommodate the RS-60 zoning,
07:21:50 if the lots are realigned to face Sheridan.
07:21:52 They would be 67 and a half feet wild by 100 feet deep.
07:21:56 At that time, the representatives from the city suggested
07:22:00 that I seek rezoning to the 50-foot and face the lots
07:22:06 towards Paul to be conforming with what the neighborhood
07:22:08 is doing.
07:22:09 Apparently there's been several other ones that have done
07:22:12 the same thing.
07:22:14 They would rather have seen it go 50-foot wide facing the
07:22:17 Paul than stay with the 60-foot facing Sheridan.
07:22:20 So that's why we're here requesting for approval on this.
07:22:26 >>HARRY COHEN: I don't see any additional questions from
07:22:29 Councilmembers at this time.
07:22:30 Is there anyone from the public that would like to
07:22:33 address Council on item number 4?
07:22:35 Don't see anyone.
07:22:39 So I presume that means you don't wish to rebut.
07:22:41 We have a motion to close from Councilman Miranda,
07:22:45 seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
07:22:48 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
07:22:50 Opposed?
07:22:52 All right Councilmember Capin, can you please take item
07:22:56 number four?
07:22:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move ordinance being presented for
07:22:59 first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning
07:23:03 property in the general vicinity of 3223 west Paul
07:23:18 avenue, in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more
07:23:21 particularly described in section 1, from zoning district
07:23:25 classifications RS-60 residential single Fey family to
07:23:29 RS-50 residential single-family, providing an effective
07:23:32 date.
07:23:32 >> Second.
07:23:33 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin,
07:23:35 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
07:23:37 All those in favor, please indicate by saying is aye.
07:23:42 Opposed?
07:23:42 >> Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
07:23:45 Second reading and adoption will be August 6th at
07:23:47 9:30 a.m.
07:23:51 >>HARRY COHEN: Item number 5.
07:23:59 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Ford the record, item number 5 is REZ
07:24:03 15-37, for the properties located at 1702 and 1720 West
07:24:11 Kennedy Boulevard, it is rezoning from PD to PD for
07:24:14 amendment for day care and school.
07:24:16 >> Good evening, Councilmembers, David Hey with your
07:24:22 Planning Commission staff.
07:24:23 I have been sworn.
07:24:24 We move up to the central Tampa planning district for
07:24:28 this next case.
07:24:29 The subject site located at the southwest corner of West
07:24:32 Kennedy Boulevard and South Rome Avenue.
07:24:36 You all know it as the Primrose school.
07:24:38 It sits on a 2.23-acre subject site.
07:24:42 It's located within the Courier City Oscawana
07:24:47 neighborhood.
07:24:47 It is located adjacent along west Kennedy avenue, West
07:24:52 Kennedy Boulevard, a transit emphasis corridor.
07:24:54 Transit service is provided right on Kennedy Boulevard.
07:24:58 The route 30 connects the subject sites downtown and
07:25:01 Westshore, including the airport.
07:25:03 And the subject site is located within a level C
07:25:06 evacuation zone.
07:25:07 On to the aerial.
07:25:11 The subject site's right in the middle.
07:25:14 We have Kennedy Boulevard running east-west.
07:25:16 Rome running north-south.
07:25:18 You can see the railroad tracks and the Crosstown veering
07:25:24 off in downtown.
07:25:25 To the southeast.
07:25:27 As you can see from the aerial, there's a large mixture
07:25:30 of all different type uses, town homes, commercial, some
07:25:35 even light industrial in that CC-35.
07:25:39 On to the future land use map.
07:25:48 The subject site actually has three future land use
07:25:50 categories along Kennedy Boulevard.
07:25:54 We have the urban mixed use 60.
07:25:57 Future land use category.
07:25:59 The red along Rome Avenue, the Rome side of the subject
07:26:03 site.
07:26:04 That's CC-35.
07:26:05 The community commercial 35.
07:26:07 Centered along Packwood, we have some community mixed use
07:26:12 35 and then some residential 35, actually residential 20
07:26:20 immediately to the west.
07:26:22 The proposed application seeks to modify already approved
07:26:27 planned development to allow for additional 2,332 square
07:26:30 foot classroom space.
07:26:34 Besides that proposed addition, there will be no major
07:26:37 alterations to the existing structure or parking areas
07:26:41 under this proposal.
07:26:43 No negative impacts are anticipated with the addition.
07:26:46 And overall based on the future land use categories, that
07:26:49 are on-site, the proposed addition would continue to
07:26:52 provide for a development in keeping with the urban mixed
07:26:56 use development found within the surrounding area.
07:26:58 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals,
07:27:01 objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan,
07:27:03 Planning Commission staff finds the rezoning request
07:27:06 consistent with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
07:27:13 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Thank you, David.
07:27:17 Again, this is the request to rezone from PD to PD and in
07:27:22 effect planned development amendment.
07:27:24 Specifically the only change to the previously approved
07:27:29 site plan, which was initially approved in 2011, and then
07:27:32 revised in 2013, they're asking to add a 2,332 square
07:27:39 foot classroom building on to the existing building.
07:27:42 Here's the subject property in green.
07:27:48 As you can see, it's planned development.
07:27:50 There are a number of planned developments around this
07:27:52 site.
07:27:52 This was recently approved Dunkin' Donuts.
07:27:56 You may remember.
07:27:57 And I'll start going through in more detail with the
07:28:03 pictures.
07:28:04 Here is the subject property from Cleveland.
07:28:17 Here is the subject property from Packwood.
07:28:19 Here is the subject property from Kennedy.
07:28:28 As I'm sure you've all driven by at some point or
07:28:31 another.
07:28:31 This is across the street, across Rome from the subject
07:28:35 property, looking from Kennedy is the Dunkin' Donuts
07:28:39 under construction.
07:28:40 This is, we're going down Rome now.
07:28:43 This is the site of the construction site.
07:28:46 There are some attached and semi detached residential
07:28:49 structures along Rome.
07:28:52 We're in this area here.
07:28:55 Now we're going to look across the street, across
07:28:58 Cleveland.
07:28:59 To some multi-family reconstructed project through
07:29:07 planned development.
07:29:08 Now crossing back, directly joining the site.
07:29:10 Some offices here, through another planned development.
07:29:14 Now we're going to be going back up Packwood.
07:29:18 With some semi attached housing.
07:29:26 Here's an office use.
07:29:30 Across the street, directly across Kennedy, we just
07:29:33 rezoned the second reading earlier this evening.
07:29:36 This is where the air conditioning storage is going to be
07:29:39 that we just approved the development agreement for.
07:29:42 And there's another picture of the site.
07:29:44 So as you can see, this little stretch of Kennedy has had
07:29:48 a lot of activity in the past year or so.
07:29:51 Again, they're just requesting to add an addition for
07:29:57 additional classroom space of 2,332 square feet.
07:30:01 There are some changes that are required between first
07:30:03 and second reading as part of your motion.
07:30:05 Specifically they are just to clean up some items on the
07:30:11 site plan.
07:30:12 As far as waivers, there are no new waivers being
07:30:16 requested.
07:30:16 Just the waivers that are stated in the staff report are
07:30:20 carryovers from the previous cases, being Z11-29 and
07:30:23 Z13-19.
07:30:25 Based on the review, the development review and
07:30:29 compliance staff found it consistent with the land
07:30:31 development code provided those changes are made between
07:30:34 first and second reading.
07:30:35 Do you have any questions?
07:30:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Any questions for staff?
07:30:37 All right.
07:30:38 Petitioner?
07:30:48 >> Good evening, Dick LaRosa, with LaRosa Civil Design.
07:30:52 I'm here representing the applicant.
07:30:53 This request is to add about 2300 square foot classroom
07:30:58 addition.
07:30:59 Originally the PD did allow for, in the existing
07:31:03 building, office and medical office use.
07:31:06 Which required us to kind of overpark the site.
07:31:09 With this PD, we have removed that use and now it's just
07:31:12 strictly going to be a school.
07:31:14 And with this addition, we meet the parking requirements
07:31:16 for the city.
07:31:18 So this addition will not require any more parking.
07:31:20 There's no tree removal.
07:31:22 No stormwater issues.
07:31:23 We are in fact I think the DOT is looking to do some
07:31:26 improvements at the intersection there on Kennedy.
07:31:28 We're going to dedicate like a 7-foot by 7-foot triangle
07:31:32 to assist in those improvements.
07:31:34 Staff finds it consistent.
07:31:37 We hope you will recommend approval.
07:31:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Any questions or comments by
07:31:42 Councilmembers?
07:31:43 All right.
07:31:44 Is there anyone from the public who would like to address
07:31:47 Council regarding item number 5?
07:31:50 >> Move to close.
07:31:51 >> Second.
07:31:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
07:31:52 We have a motion to close from Councilman Miranda,
07:31:55 seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
07:31:57 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
07:31:58 Opposed?
07:32:00 All right.
07:32:01 Councilman Maniscalco, would you please take item number
07:32:03 five?
07:32:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: An ordinance being presented for
07:32:05 first reading consideration, an ordinance rezoning
07:32:08 property from the general vicinity of 1700 and 1720 West
07:32:11 Kennedy Boulevard in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more
07:32:14 particularly described in section 1, from zoning district
07:32:17 classification PD planned development, day case, school
07:32:21 and office, business professional medical to PD planned
07:32:23 development, day care and school, providing an effective
07:32:25 date.
07:32:26 >> Second.
07:32:28 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilman
07:32:29 Maniscalco, seconded by Councilman Miranda.
07:32:32 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
07:32:34 Opposed?
07:32:37 >> Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
07:32:39 Montelione being absent at vote.
07:32:41 Second reading and adoption will be August 6th at
07:32:43 9:30 a.m.
07:32:44 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
07:32:45 Thank you very much.
07:32:45 Item number 6 was continued.
07:32:47 So we are now going to move on to item number 7.
07:32:55 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Item number 7 on your agenda is REZ
07:32:58 15-32, Mary Samaniego, for the record.
07:33:02 Item number 7:00 REZ 15-32, rezoning request for the
07:33:07 property located at 317 east Plymouth street and 3108
07:33:12 north Jefferson street.
07:33:14 Specifically to request for RS-50 to PD to allow for
07:33:18 multi-family residential uses within historic building.
07:33:23 >> Good evening, Councilmembers, David Hey with your
07:33:29 planning commission staff.
07:33:30 I have been sworn.
07:33:31 We continue our string of cases within the central Tampa
07:33:34 planning district.
07:33:35 The .43-acre subject site is located at the southwest
07:33:41 corner of east Plymouth street and north Jefferson
07:33:44 avenue.
07:33:44 It's in the Tampa Heights urban village.
07:33:47 Transit service is located approximately 600 feet to the
07:33:52 west along North Florida Avenue.
07:33:53 Which is served by the route 1.
07:33:56 North Florida Avenue is also a transit emphasis corridor
07:33:59 and the Tampa, acknowledged in the Tampa comprehensive
07:34:03 plan.
07:34:04 Robles park is located one block to the east of the
07:34:07 subject site.
07:34:09 And the subject site is not located within an evacuation
07:34:12 zone.
07:34:12 On to the aerial.
07:34:18 We have got the subject site right here in the middle.
07:34:20 North Jefferson street running north-south.
07:34:24 Florida Avenue is over to the west.
07:34:27 Here's Robles park and then interstate 275 is right off
07:34:30 the aerial to the east.
07:34:32 Next on to the future land use map, the subject site and
07:34:39 the parcels directly to the south are designated
07:34:42 residential 35.
07:34:44 The tan color surrounding the area is residential 10.
07:34:50 Then we have got some recreation open space.
07:34:53 And some community commercial 35 along the commercial
07:34:56 corridor of Florida Avenue.
07:34:59 The proposed redevelopment of existing warehouse built in
07:35:03 1925 is one of the first redevelopment projects to be
07:35:07 requested within this portion of the Tampa Heights
07:35:09 community.
07:35:09 Under the proposed rezoning, the original warehouse would
07:35:13 be converted into 22 residential units.
07:35:16 The existing structure has been vacant for a number of
07:35:19 years.
07:35:19 The provided elevations demonstrate a design that is
07:35:23 sensitive to the historic nature of the existing
07:35:25 building.
07:35:25 Also sensitive to the historic fabric of the
07:35:28 neighborhood.
07:35:28 The design provides for the main building entrance to be
07:35:31 located along north Jefferson street with off-street
07:35:33 parking located off of east Plymouth street.
07:35:37 The comprehensive plan promotes the retention and
07:35:39 redevelopment of historic structures, especially within
07:35:42 established urban villages.
07:35:44 To further these objectives, the comprehensive plan
07:35:48 specifically policy 158.1.8 allows for existing
07:35:52 structures to utilize their existing square footage for
07:35:56 redevelopment purposes if the existing floor area ratio
07:36:00 exceeds what is permitted.
07:36:02 Within the underlying future land use category.
07:36:04 The proposed floor area ratio for this subject site is
07:36:08 1.17.
07:36:09 So it would utilize the benefits under that policy.
07:36:13 Overall the proposed rezoning provides unique opportunity
07:36:16 for the city of Tampa to redevelop an existing warehouse
07:36:19 that has been part of the Tampa Heights neighborhood for
07:36:21 almost a century.
07:36:22 And therefore based on those findings, the goals,
07:36:25 objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan,
07:36:28 Planning Commission staff finds the rezoning request
07:36:31 consistent with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
07:36:35 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Thank you.
07:36:36 Mary Samaniego with Land Development Coordination.
07:36:42 I'll take you on a brief tour of this property.
07:36:49 The subject property is in green.
07:36:55 It's on Jefferson and Plymouth intersection.
07:36:58 The area is zoned RS-50 for single-family residential
07:37:03 development.
07:37:03 They're requesting a PD to allow for multi-family.
07:37:07 This is a picture of the existing building.
07:37:10 As David stated, it was constructed in 1925.
07:37:14 I know the applicant will go into more of the history of
07:37:17 the project, or the property rather.
07:37:19 >> Those are not showing up on our screen here.
07:37:26 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: It's on the main screen.
07:37:29 >>HARRY COHEN: There we go.
07:37:30 Thank you.
07:37:34 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Here's the subject building from
07:37:39 Plymouth.
07:37:39 Here's the existing parking lot that was historically
07:37:45 used on Plymouth and that they intend to reuse for the
07:37:48 parking for the multi-family.
07:37:50 And here's a shot looking back up Plymouth at the subject
07:37:53 property with the intersection of Jefferson there.
07:37:57 This is across Jefferson.
07:38:03 Across Jefferson street, I'm sorry, this one is adjacent
07:38:07 to the property.
07:38:09 The building is right here on Jefferson.
07:38:11 Now we cross the street on Jefferson, moving back to the
07:38:14 north.
07:38:17 This property is directly -- now we're moving down
07:38:25 Plymouth so this property I'm about to show you is
07:38:27 directly next door and we're going to move to the west,
07:38:30 across the street and then move back to the east.
07:38:32 So this property is directly -- you can see the parking
07:38:36 lot here.
07:38:37 Here's the single-family house directly to the west.
07:38:39 Moving down the street, here's the historic bungalows
07:38:49 that have been restored across the street.
07:38:51 More historic character houses that have been restored.
07:38:55 Nicely.
07:38:57 And directly across the street.
07:38:59 Now, because the property is in the Tampa Heights
07:39:05 historic district, it did governor before A.R.C. for a
07:39:08 recommendation.
07:39:09 One of the previous versions of the plan had quite a bit
07:39:14 more required, greater proposed parking reduction.
07:39:20 Being that they wanted a waiver to decrease it by 15
07:39:22 spaces.
07:39:24 The A.R.C. had some concerns about that.
07:39:27 Similarly they made the recommendation to protect the
07:39:29 properties along the existing alleyways.
07:39:32 To have a masonry wall.
07:39:37 So the A.R.C. recommended a masonry wall here and here.
07:39:42 Masonry wall is not required by code because there's no
07:39:47 use buffer because you're going from residential to
07:39:50 residential.
07:39:51 Since going to the A.R.C. meeting on May 4th, the
07:39:55 applicant has slightly revised the site plan to reduce
07:40:00 the number of bedrooms per unit.
07:40:02 And so now the parking reduction is required to be 30
07:40:06 reduced to 23, which is a 23% reduction.
07:40:09 Similarly they talked to the neighbors to the alleys and
07:40:15 I believe and again the applicants can speak to this in
07:40:18 more detail.
07:40:20 That adjoining property owners requested a metal fence in
07:40:24 lieu of the masonry fence.
07:40:25 Those two changes went back to A.R.C. and they were in
07:40:28 agreement with those.
07:40:29 So they found the request consistent and I believe they
07:40:32 already received their certificate of appropriateness,
07:40:36 pending rezoning approval.
07:40:38 So, like I said, they're wanting to convert the existing
07:40:42 building, which was originally known as the grand
07:40:45 bottling company, 22 multi-family dwelling units.
07:40:48 And using the existing parking lot for parking, being 23
07:40:51 spaces.
07:40:52 There are some changes that need to be completed on the
07:40:56 site plan between first and second reading.
07:40:58 For Land Development Coordination corrections of some of
07:41:01 the waivers, correction in illustration of the agreed
07:41:05 upon 6-foot high metal fence along the adjoining property
07:41:08 owners.
07:41:09 As well as some notes about the on-street parking.
07:41:14 That is proposed by the applicant.
07:41:16 Transportation found the request inconsistent based on
07:41:22 the percentage of parking reduction.
07:41:24 Again, there's 30 required parking spaces.
07:41:27 They're providing 23.
07:41:29 So there's a 23% reduction.
07:41:32 Part of that is the result of using an existing building
07:41:34 with an existing parking lot.
07:41:36 You can only get so many parking spaces in the existing
07:41:39 parking lot.
07:41:40 Natural resources did just have one informational
07:41:44 comments.
07:41:44 Based on that, the Development Review Committee found it
07:41:49 inconsistent again because of the parking waiver.
07:41:52 But in the event that City Council approves the requested
07:41:55 waiver, in your motion, please make sure that the changes
07:41:59 between first and second reading are made.
07:42:01 Do you have any questions?
07:42:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Any from Councilmembers at this time
07:42:09 petitioner?
07:42:14 >> Good evening, Council.
07:42:42 Stephanie December Gaines with Curts Gaines Hall Jones
07:42:47 Architects.
07:42:49 My helper was the developer Michael Mincberg, whom I'm
07:42:52 representing, with Sight Real Estate.
07:42:55 We also had John Grandoff our attorney with Hill Ward
07:42:58 Henderson here.
07:42:59 So as Mary stated, that we are here requesting a rezoning
07:43:04 from RS-50 to PD, so that we can preserve the Graham
07:43:08 Bottling Works Building, 90-year-old building.
07:43:14 And keep it from further deterioration and create
07:43:18 adaptive reuse project, which is complementary to the
07:43:22 neighborhood.
07:43:22 As to urban fabric of the historic district of Tampa
07:43:25 Heights.
07:43:26 It will be a loft style apartment structure and be called
07:43:29 the Bootlegger Factory Flats.
07:43:32 We have been working with zoning and planning and the
07:43:36 A.R.C. staff for several months and presented to the
07:43:39 A.R.C. board twice.
07:43:40 Once for rezoning and once for certificate of
07:43:42 appropriateness.
07:43:43 We have talked with neighbors and presented to the Tampa
07:43:47 historic -- Tampa Heights neighborhood association and I
07:43:53 have their letter of support, which I'd like to offer
07:43:58 into the record.
07:43:59 The key aspect regarding this request to keep in mind is
07:44:13 that we're not proposing a new apartment complex be built
07:44:17 in an existing single-family residential neighborhood.
07:44:20 But rather because Tampa Heights, unlike other historic
07:44:25 districts in Tampa, does not have special provisions for
07:44:28 conditions like this, where there's an existing building,
07:44:31 which is nonconforming.
07:44:34 The rezoning to PD is the only every, as you know, that
07:44:38 allows us to any development of the property for any use.
07:44:41 It's a singularly unique building, in the neighborhood.
07:44:49 And can be really a great contribution, can make a great
07:44:55 contribution.
07:44:55 It's been vacant for almost 40 years.
07:45:02 I'm told by neighbors.
07:45:03 To demonstrate its unique scale, this is a, one of those
07:45:10 Sanborn maps from 1931.
07:45:12 And in the center is the grand bottling works building.
07:45:17 And you can see that it is just surrounded by
07:45:19 single-family residential uses.
07:45:21 And people might wonder why Mr. Graham decided to build
07:45:25 it there.
07:45:26 Maybe he lived in the neighborhood and wanted it nearby.
07:45:28 But we surmise that he wanted to draw his employees from
07:45:31 the neighborhood and have them be able to walk to work.
07:45:34 And walk home afterwards.
07:45:37 And so there it sits by itself surrounded by the
07:45:42 single-family homes.
07:45:44 Even Florida Avenue, which we all know is a very
07:45:48 commercial street now, this map shows only single-family
07:45:52 residences all along Florida.
07:45:55 This is a close-up aerial of the building.
07:46:02 And nothing about its setting has changed too much.
07:46:08 It is still a unique and unusual building in the middle
07:46:12 of otherwise single-family residential neighborhood.
07:46:18 The pattern, it's development patterns don't match what
07:46:21 surround it.
07:46:22 But it is an existing condition.
07:46:27 And the building scale is different.
07:46:31 And you'll notice that unlike the rest of the
07:46:34 neighborhood, which has large shade trees all around, the
07:46:40 building has no trees on it at all except for some
07:46:43 volunteer cabbage palms along Jefferson.
07:46:47 And it's set at zero setbacks, like a commercial district
07:46:50 would've been built, unlike the rest of the area around
07:46:55 it.
07:46:55 The parking area that's been referred to is here on the
07:46:59 west side.
07:47:00 Jefferson street.
07:47:02 On the east was the main entry to the project.
07:47:06 This is Mr. Ram's bottling work buildings, historic
07:47:18 photograph.
07:47:18 You can see it's certainly not as significant as maybe
07:47:22 some other historic buildings in our town.
07:47:24 We have heard about earlier today.
07:47:26 But it was just a working man's building.
07:47:31 A factory building, two story masonry building and you
07:47:34 can see that Mr. Graham was proud of it.
07:47:37 He labeled his business right on top there with those
07:47:40 letters.
07:47:41 And back then, because of the low vehicular traffic, the
07:47:47 streets were used for loading docks.
07:47:49 They bottled grape and orange soda in this building and
07:47:55 then transported it all around.
07:47:57 And then in the lower photograph, you can see the
07:48:02 photograph of the existing condition.
07:48:04 And it is in fairly poor deteriorated condition.
07:48:09 Some work has been done on it to keep it from further
07:48:11 deteriorating.
07:48:13 And this photograph shows that the front facade,
07:48:18 Jefferson, is being stabilized.
07:48:23 It is in danger of collapsing and it's currently shored.
07:48:27 And work on that began before our clients purchased the
07:48:30 property and will continue.
07:48:33 All of the historic windows are gone but at least
07:48:36 toppings are there.
07:48:37 They've just been boarded up.
07:48:38 And this shows that existing condition with our proposed
07:48:52 improvements to the building.
07:48:53 We hope to bring it back toilets glory and proudly put
07:48:58 the Bootlegger Factory Flats name on the building, where
07:49:02 Mr. Graham had labeled his name.
07:49:04 We'll replace all the existing windows and doors.
07:49:08 The loading docks we'll use -- this has gone through the
07:49:14 A.R.C. certificate of appropriateness and has been
07:49:16 approved.
07:49:16 We'll replace those loading dock areas with some windows
07:49:21 that will be fixed, that remember several overhead doors.
07:49:25 And then our entry we'll place in the center along
07:49:27 Jefferson, with a new kind of modern design entry.
07:49:34 Canopy.
07:49:36 The site plan illustrates some of the improvements we're
07:49:41 going to make.
07:49:43 One of the first things we'll do is reduce the footprint
07:49:48 of the building about 15% by removing an addition that
07:49:51 was placed on the west side of the building at some point
07:49:53 long after the original construction.
07:49:55 You can see we're adding shade trees all along the
07:49:59 street.
07:50:00 15 in total along Jefferson and then wrapping around
07:50:03 Plymouth.
07:50:04 We're also providing a five foot sidewalk to provide Ted
07:50:09 that pedestrian connection to the community along
07:50:11 Jefferson and along Plymouth as well.
07:50:14 Our parking will be on the west end as it has been in the
07:50:18 past.
07:50:18 We'll provide within that space, we'll provide 23 parking
07:50:23 for 23 cars.
07:50:24 We'll provide one or two motorcycle scooter spaces and
07:50:28 bike rack for 10 to 12 bicycles.
07:50:32 We, as you heard, we presented to the A.R.C. for
07:50:40 recommendation and they had two stipulations about their
07:50:45 positive recommendation.
07:50:46 And that had to do with the wall material that we were
07:50:50 using along the south and primarily the west side of the
07:50:55 property.
07:50:55 We originally showed a wood fence in our original
07:50:59 presentation to them because that's what Tampa Heights
07:51:02 design guidelines calls for.
07:51:05 But they asked that we put in a concrete masonry wall.
07:51:09 Primarily because of the neighbor to the west concern
07:51:12 about the privacy.
07:51:14 Now, this property is separated by an alley, 12-foot
07:51:19 alley, between our property and hers.
07:51:24 After the hearing, we worked with, we talked with staff
07:51:29 and we met with the neighbor and we were concerned about
07:51:33 a masonry wall because we only have three feet between
07:51:36 the back of the parking area and the property line.
07:51:38 And if we put a masonry wall and the footing that goes
07:51:42 with it, we won't have any landscaping left.
07:51:46 So we proposed an alternate, which was a metal fence that
07:51:51 would, along the west end, allow us that three foot
07:51:56 landscape bed, which we could plan a thick and fast
07:52:02 growing hedge and eventually end up with a nice green
07:52:08 buffer between us and the adjacent property.
07:52:11 And this is the plan that was approved by the A.R.C.
07:52:14 The second issue that the A.R.C. had was regarding the
07:52:19 parking variance, as Mary -- parking waiver request, as
07:52:22 Mary mentioned.
07:52:23 We were asking for a waiver of 14 spaces.
07:52:27 They thought that was excessive and transportation felt
07:52:30 the same way.
07:52:31 So we went back and redesigned the units in the building,
07:52:37 reducing the number of bedrooms so we have a lot more of
07:52:41 one room studio type of units, which reduced our parking
07:52:44 requirement, so that we were able to cut in half the
07:52:47 waiver request from 14 to 7 cars.
07:52:50 Transportation still objects to the waiver of 7.
07:52:56 And we were a little bit surprised by that and asked them
07:52:59 at what point they would support a waiver request.
07:53:03 And we were told that they would not support a waiver of
07:53:06 any number of cars.
07:53:08 But we are very confident that considering the types of
07:53:11 units that we're providing, the demographics of the
07:53:14 renters that we are targeting and the provisions we have
07:53:17 for alternatives means of transportation, such as
07:53:20 motorcycles and bikes, and the location of this project
07:53:24 in an urban village close to downtown and close to
07:53:26 alternative means of transportation, we believe that our
07:53:30 project is more than sufficiently parked.
07:53:34 And it really, the waiver is really a result of the
07:53:38 constraints of the property and the fact that there are
07:53:41 no special provisions for this historic district, unlike
07:53:45 other historic districts in Tampa.
07:53:49 And I want to just show you a quick illustration of what
07:53:52 I mean.
07:53:53 As you're aware, Seminole Heights has a special
07:53:58 provisions in the zoning code to give incentives for
07:54:03 developing in the historic district.
07:54:08 I'm not going to go through this in detail, but the
07:54:09 incentives have to do with restoring or re-using a
07:54:12 building of substantial size, more than 10,000 square
07:54:15 feet.
07:54:15 And providing parking for alternate means of
07:54:17 transportation.
07:54:18 So if we were, if this building was in Seminole Heights,
07:54:22 we would be required to have 14 parking spaces.
07:54:25 But because it's in Tampa Heights, we're required 30.
07:54:29 So in Tampa Heights, we're showing a waiver request of
07:54:33 needing 7 less cars than we can park on the site.
07:54:38 Whereas in Seminole Heights, our parking on-site would
07:54:41 result in an overage of nine spaces.
07:54:44 So this is our project.
07:54:55 And we're asking you to approve our request so that we
07:54:58 can rezone the property so that it's consistent with
07:55:01 urban villages as outlined in the Tampa comprehensive
07:55:04 plan and as staff reported it would be consistent with
07:55:07 that.
07:55:08 It's good for the preservation of the history of Tampa
07:55:10 Heights and the city and it's good for its future.
07:55:13 It should promote more and more investment into the
07:55:16 community and support a live-work community that's
07:55:18 appropriate for the urban village of the historic Tampa
07:55:21 Heights.
07:55:21 Thank you.
07:55:23 I welcome your questions.
07:55:25 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
07:55:26 Any questions at this time from Councilmembers?
07:55:28 Councilman Suarez?
07:55:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just a couple quick questions.
07:55:31 First of all, did you naming it bootlegger factory
07:55:34 because you knew something about Mr. Graham sore
07:55:36 something?
07:55:36 [ Laughter ]
07:55:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just curious about that.
07:55:38 >> That was Michael the owner's doing.
07:55:40 It's interesting and I think it mainly speaks to the era
07:55:43 in which it was built.
07:55:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just make sure.
07:55:47 You don't want to be sued by the Graham family.
07:55:49 Now, you're going to have 22 units in there?
07:55:52 >> 22 units.
07:55:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: What's the mixture between studio
07:55:57 apartments?
07:55:57 Let's say one or two bedrooms?
07:56:00 >> We have 18 studio apartments.
07:56:04 One one-bedroom unit and three two-bedroom units.
07:56:09 >> Three two-bedroom?
07:56:12 And then your analysis, the number of spaces that you
07:56:16 have should be more than adequate to meet the needs of
07:56:20 those specific uses?
07:56:22 >> Yes, we believe they definitely are.
07:56:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All right.
07:56:26 Thank you very much.
07:56:26 Thank you, chair.
07:56:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Anyone else?
07:56:32 All right.
07:56:32 Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak
07:56:35 to Council about item number 7?
07:56:37 >> Good evening.
07:56:44 My name is Bart Meacham.
07:56:47 I have been sworn.
07:56:48 I live 308 East Plymouth Street, which is west probably a
07:56:52 couple hundred feet and across Plymouth from this
07:56:54 building.
07:56:55 And I just want to as a preliminary matter, it is my
07:56:59 understanding that this had to go through the
07:57:02 architectural review commission first and it did.
07:57:04 And actually at the beginning of that hearing, I objected
07:57:07 because they didn't have it noticed properly.
07:57:09 They had it down as the address of 3108 east -- 3108
07:57:16 north Jefferson street and I brought that to the
07:57:18 attention, the petitioner or applicant said that no, they
07:57:21 were right.
07:57:21 It was just the address of 3108 north Jefferson street.
07:57:25 I noticed now they've changed it which shows I was
07:57:28 actually correct on that.
07:57:29 So I don't know if it's that's improper or not.
07:57:33 I'll let you all decide.
07:57:34 But it started out with one address.
07:57:36 Went through the architectural review commission.
07:57:38 Now it's got both addresses down.
07:57:40 So if there's an issue there, just wanted to bring that
07:57:42 to your all's attention.
07:57:44 >>HARRY COHEN: I would ask that our legal department let
07:57:46 us know.
07:57:46 If not, then I'm seeing that that is not an issue with
07:57:50 the application at this point.
07:57:55 >> It's like most all places in Tampa, parking can be a
07:57:57 serious problem.
07:57:58 If people don't follow the law or if the powers that be
07:58:01 don't allow exceptions to the law that don't make sense
07:58:05 or simply inconsistent with the neighborhood.
07:58:09 And Tampa Heights is no exception.
07:58:11 There's no parking problem there right now.
07:58:13 But there will be a parking problem if this plan is
07:58:15 allowed to go through.
07:58:17 I want to remind everybody that the homeowners, we were
07:58:22 there first.
07:58:23 I've been there for over a decade.
07:58:25 Most people have been there in there for numerous
07:58:28 decades.
07:58:28 Saw the photographs which shoals single families all
07:58:30 around.
07:58:31 Robles park is like two blocks away.
07:58:34 It's not close but it's surrounded by single-family
07:58:36 homes.
07:58:37 We all have enough parking.
07:58:42 And we were there, the petitioner recently bought this
07:58:45 property and is just trying to make as much money off its
07:58:48 businesses as it can.
07:58:49 What would make sense would be say 12 units.
07:58:52 That's what the prior owners wanted to do.
07:58:54 Where they have really it is families.
07:58:56 It's not now 18.
07:58:57 They keep changing it to try to meet these parking
07:59:00 requirements.
07:59:00 It's gone from certain number of efficiencies to now 18.
07:59:03 Because for one reason, so they can try to get closer to
07:59:07 severing the parking requirements.
07:59:08 If they had 12 units in there, it really would be
07:59:11 consistent with the neighborhood.
07:59:12 If it was more family oriented.
07:59:14 And instead of the building a nice size apartments for
07:59:23 the families -- 30 seconds.
07:59:31 I would ask about what the demographics of the renters
07:59:34 that Ms. Gaines referred to, because I don't see how
07:59:38 people that would live in an efficiency and can't have
07:59:41 people over, they told the architectural review
07:59:43 commission that they were going to put in their lease
07:59:45 that people cannot have anybody over to visit them.
07:59:48 So we have already got 23 spaces for 22 units.
07:59:52 And we think that it's just going to be over for the
07:59:56 neighborhood.
07:59:57 Thank you.
07:59:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Is there anyone else in the audience that
07:59:59 would like to address Council?
08:00:07 >> Hi.
08:00:08 Good evening, Council.
08:00:10 I'm Heidi Hughes.
08:00:11 And I'm a neighbor.
08:00:12 I live at 310 east Plymouth street, which is to the west
08:00:16 and across the street about two houses to the west from
08:00:20 there.
08:00:21 Let's see.
08:00:23 What I want to say, I'm not necessarily opposed to this
08:00:27 project at all.
08:00:28 My two things that concern me, I suppose, is, it's pretty
08:00:35 small street.
08:00:35 There's only a few houses on it.
08:00:40 And a couple of people in each house.
08:00:42 So I think there's less than 15 people on our entire
08:00:44 street.
08:00:45 And the thought of, you know, 22 apartments right there
08:00:51 on this small little street, that isn't a very, you know,
08:00:55 through street, it just seems like a lot of traffic.
08:01:00 That concerns me a little bit.
08:01:02 Seems like it would really change the neighborhood
08:01:04 demographics, not demographics, but the neighborhood
08:01:08 flow.
08:01:09 The other thing that concerns me is the demographics.
08:01:12 They mentioned something about the, they're trying to
08:01:16 attract a particular demographic.
08:01:19 I'm curious as to what that is.
08:01:21 I think if we're trying to attract, you know, upscale,
08:01:28 you know, people to come in for upscale loft apartment, I
08:01:31 think it could be really nice to add to our neighborhood.
08:01:35 If it is more low income housing section 8, I'm not sure
08:01:40 that that would probably hurt the property value of my
08:01:43 home.
08:01:44 And I just want to make sure that that isn't what's
08:01:48 happening, that -- when I think of efficiency apartments,
08:01:53 I don't know, maybe there are young professionals that
08:01:56 like, that will pay a good amount of money to be in that
08:02:01 neighborhood.
08:02:01 But I don't know.
08:02:02 To me efficiencies look at more of the lower rent.
08:02:08 I think of high turnover and a lot of new people coming
08:02:12 in all the time.
08:02:13 People not maybe taking care of the place.
08:02:15 I'm hoping that's not what they're proposing.
08:02:17 But if they are, I would probably have a problem with
08:02:20 that.
08:02:20 I guess that's all I wanted to say.
08:02:22 Thank you.
08:02:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
08:02:24 The petitioner is going to have an opportunity for
08:02:27 rebuttal.
08:02:28 But before we go to that, is there anyone else in the
08:02:30 public?
08:02:31 If there's anyone in the public that in addition that
08:02:34 would like to address us on this item, it would be
08:02:36 helpful if you would come up and line up so we know how
08:02:40 many are left.
08:02:41 If not, maybe we only have one more.
08:02:44 >> Good evening, I've been sworn.
08:02:48 Stephanie Meacham, 308 east Plymouth street.
08:02:53 I am, and my husband, we're really concerned about the
08:02:59 waiver for the parking.
08:03:01 The building unfortunately is located at the corner of
08:03:06 Plymouth and Jefferson.
08:03:08 Sand right at Plymouth and Jefferson, there's a stop
08:03:12 sign.
08:03:13 And it's already a real danger, without any cars parking
08:03:18 to the right side of Plymouth going that direction, for
08:03:24 traffic to turn either left on Jefferson or on coming
08:03:30 traffic from Jefferson onto Plymouth.
08:03:33 And the petition area's asking you to give them a waiver
08:03:38 and allow vehicle to park.
08:03:43 I believe there's a stop sign there, so there should
08:03:47 be -- you can't even park 30 feet from the stop sign.
08:03:51 And I don't know if the waivers take into consideration
08:03:55 of that and I want you all to consider the Department of
08:03:57 Transportation, which they object to the parking waiver.
08:04:04 And I want to address the type of apartments that's
08:04:08 proposed.
08:04:08 The petitioner's asking you to let them have 18
08:04:13 efficiencies.
08:04:14 Now, if you are putting in efficiency apartments, you're
08:04:19 not trying to attract the type of people that we have at
08:04:25 the Tampa Heights community.
08:04:27 We have single-family homes.
08:04:28 And they're asking you to allow them to put an 18
08:04:32 efficiencies which, you know, I just assume that, you
08:04:38 know, people who live in efficiencies are not permanent
08:04:41 residents.
08:04:43 They just want to move in there and it's like going to be
08:04:46 a rotating door.
08:04:48 So, the fact that the party is saying it's an urban
08:04:51 project and it's complement the neighborhood is
08:04:54 completely ridiculous.
08:04:55 It does not complement Tampa Heights.
08:04:59 And for the very first time today, I heard that there's
08:05:03 going to be landscaping because the A.R.C., they said,
08:05:07 you know, that they're not going to put in any
08:05:10 landscaping.
08:05:10 And I think the landscaping come at the cost of trying to
08:05:18 put in so many parking spaces.
08:05:20 And I ask that you consider that.
08:05:23 That's all.
08:05:31 Thank you.
08:05:32 >>HARRY COHEN: Is there anyone else who would like to
08:05:35 address Council on this item?
08:05:38 I see one other person.
08:05:39 >> Hello.
08:05:40 My name is Thomas king.
08:05:42 I've been sworn.
08:05:43 I am a landowner at 302 west street from this
08:05:48 neighborhood.
08:05:48 I'm here speaking on behalf of this project.
08:05:51 I'm supportive of it.
08:05:52 Right now as you saw in the pictures, it's a boarded up
08:05:54 projects.
08:05:55 I heard some neighbors talk about family once it gets
08:06:01 developed.
08:06:02 It is currently boarded up and somebody was shot less
08:06:04 than a year ago at the corner of this intersection.
08:06:06 So, when I look at the two options of what this property
08:06:09 can be, either a boarded up property, attracting
08:06:12 undesirable folks, or beautiful brand new renovated
08:06:17 property, I see that as an advantages to the
08:06:20 neighborhood.
08:06:20 The second item that I want to talk about is we recently
08:06:24 had a burnt warehouse in Tampa, in the City of Tampa, in
08:06:28 Palmetto beach.
08:06:29 I'm sure you're aware of it.
08:06:30 And when you have these warehouses that are vacant,
08:06:33 there's the probabilities, chances of things going bad.
08:06:36 The property deteriorating and potential of us as a
08:06:40 neighborhood and as a community losing historic building.
08:06:43 And the longer it sits there with boarded up, the more
08:06:47 undesirable people potentially that could be doing things
08:06:49 around this property.
08:06:50 And also the potential of us as a city of Tampa losing a
08:06:55 quality property that could be redeveloped and redesigned
08:06:58 to fit the new needs of the neighborhood.
08:07:00 Versus, it potentially getting burnt down like it did in
08:07:04 Palmetto beach.
08:07:05 A very sad story.
08:07:06 I know the Mayor was very vocal about how he doesn't want
08:07:10 something like this to happen.
08:07:11 And there's an opportunity where somebody wants to come
08:07:14 in here, investor a lot of dollars in the neighborhood
08:07:16 that's been in the past economically depressed.
08:07:18 I think this is a huge opportunity for the neighborhood
08:07:20 to be improved.
08:07:20 Thank you.
08:07:23 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
08:07:24 Is there anyone else?
08:07:28 All right.
08:07:29 Before we go to the petitioner's rebuttal, I believe
08:07:32 Councilman Miranda would like to speak.
08:07:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, I just want to make sure --
08:07:38 Ms. Gaines, may I ask you, it was the Graham property.
08:07:41 Now you're proposing to change it to bootlegger?
08:07:44 >> Bootlegger Factory Flats.
08:07:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Wasn't this a sewing factory in the
08:07:48 '50s?
08:07:49 >> It was, originally.
08:07:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I remember that.
08:07:51 In fact, there's a road close by there that looks like an
08:07:55 alley called Shady Lane Road.
08:07:57 >> Is that right?
08:07:59 I didn't know.
08:08:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think so.
08:08:01 I remember driving a bicycle there when I was a kid.
08:08:04 >> I think it was only the Graham factory for maybe ten
08:08:08 years.
08:08:09 Then it became the garment factory.
08:08:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to make sure I get exactly
08:08:14 where it's at.
08:08:15 It's southwest of Robles Park.
08:08:18 >> Yes.
08:08:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Okay.
08:08:20 Thank you very much.
08:08:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione?
08:08:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
08:08:23 I want to address some of the comments that were made by
08:08:28 the folks who spoke during public comment.
08:08:30 First, I would like to say that when you talk about
08:08:35 demographics, title 6 was established by the federal
08:08:42 government in, after the civil rights movement, and red
08:08:46 lining of neighborhoods, preventing people of a certain
08:08:51 type from moving or being rented to or having the ability
08:08:57 to obtain a mortgage was outlawed.
08:09:02 So, it is not the policy of the city of Tampa to support
08:09:11 any type of discrimination.
08:09:13 In fact, it is the policy of the City of Tampa to be
08:09:16 welcoming to every color of the rainbow, every religion
08:09:19 under the sun and every persuasion of sexual preference
08:09:23 that anyone happens to have.
08:09:25 I would also like to say the demographics of people who
08:09:29 rent efficiency apartments is my son, who plays golf for
08:09:34 a living.
08:09:35 And lives in Celebration right outside Orlando in a
08:09:39 beautiful community.
08:09:40 He lives with his girlfriend, who is a journalism student
08:09:45 at Rollins College.
08:09:47 A very expensive private school.
08:09:51 So when you talk about the demographic of people who want
08:09:53 to rent an efficiency apartment, you're talking about my
08:09:57 son the professional golfer and his journalism student
08:10:00 girlfriend.
08:10:01 As far as the parking goes, getting to the real issues of
08:10:09 this petition, I've long been a supporter of minimizing
08:10:14 parking requirements, because we strive to be a city that
08:10:18 is multimodal.
08:10:19 Bicycles, walking, public transportation and this type of
08:10:26 project, as close to the downtown area as it is, is
08:10:32 perfect for that type of development.
08:10:35 And it doesn't make sense to me while the Seminole
08:10:40 Heights historic district gives incentives for
08:10:43 redeveloping the re-use of historic properties, the Tampa
08:10:48 Heights district does not.
08:10:49 So, I'm hoping in our next revision of codes for our
08:10:54 parking requirements, that that's going to be looked at
08:10:57 and I'm going to make a motion during new business to
08:11:00 make sure it is looked at as part of the previous
08:11:02 discussion we had on parking.
08:11:04 So, I will be in support of this project.
08:11:10 I think you can tell from the comments that I just made.
08:11:13 And that's all I have to say, Mr. Chair.
08:11:19 >>HARRY COHEN: Anything additional before the party wraps
08:11:21 up and gives their rebuttal?
08:11:23 Okay.
08:11:25 I don't see any.
08:11:26 Petitioner?
08:11:27 >> If I may --
08:11:29 >>HARRY COHEN: No, sir.
08:11:30 >> I can't make a motion?
08:11:33 >>HARRY COHEN: No.
08:11:33 No, it is the petitioner's time now.
08:11:38 >> Just for the record, I just wanted to make a motion
08:11:41 and not let me.
08:11:43 >>HARRY COHEN: Please, ladies and gentlemen.
08:11:45 Let's go to the petitioner to give their rebuttal.
08:11:47 >> Okay.
08:11:50 I'll try to touch on as many points as I can.
08:11:53 One of the things I think that is happening is this
08:11:59 perception of, the word efficiency.
08:12:05 And not that we will, we will welcome as Ms. Montelione
08:12:14 said, any renters into our property.
08:12:17 But the type of units that we are building are studio
08:12:21 loft apartments.
08:12:22 Efficiency is a word in the Tampa zoning code.
08:12:25 It's not a word we would use to advertise the project.
08:12:29 Because it normally has less than a positive connotation.
08:12:33 But studio apartments, upscale, things you would find in
08:12:37 Channelside, downtown, that's the kind of thing.
08:12:40 These are averaging a thousand square feet.
08:12:42 These are just people who like to live in a modern way.
08:12:46 They don't want space that's chopped up.
08:12:48 They want to be able to divide it up with their own
08:12:51 furniture.
08:12:51 We have shown on the board some examples of the kind of
08:12:55 project that we're looking for.
08:12:57 And the demographics, you're right.
08:12:59 That's what we perceive.
08:13:01 Young professionals, creative people.
08:13:04 Entrepreneurs, people who want to walk to their jobs,
08:13:07 want to get jobs in the community and walk to their jobs.
08:13:09 It's a wide range of people.
08:13:11 It was stated that we said at the A.R.C. that we would
08:13:17 not allow any visitors.
08:13:19 It was also stated we were not going to put any
08:13:22 landscaping in.
08:13:23 I apologize for the misunderstanding.
08:13:25 But those, we never made those statements.
08:13:29 We did mention that we would restrict the residents to
08:13:32 only being able to park one car on the property.
08:13:37 And we are asking for landscape waivers that reduce the
08:13:43 landscaping requirements because of the constraints of
08:13:45 the site.
08:13:46 The fact that these are not -- this kind of building is
08:13:54 not a building that single-family home owners want to
08:13:59 live in.
08:13:59 They want to live in single-family homes.
08:14:02 But just because we're not providing single-family, three
08:14:06 bedroom units in this building doesn't mean it doesn't
08:14:09 complement the neighborhood.
08:14:10 Village, urban villages have a mix of uses and a mix of
08:14:15 different people.
08:14:16 And that's the purpose, to mix, to provide all of that
08:14:19 together so it's a working viable community.
08:14:22 So we believe that our project satisfies those
08:14:26 requirements for the urban village, as outlined in the
08:14:28 Tampa comprehensive plan.
08:14:29 Thank you.
08:14:32 >>HARRY COHEN: Is there anything additional from
08:14:35 Councilmembers?
08:14:36 Okay.
08:14:39 We have a motion to close from Councilman Miranda,
08:14:41 seconded by Councilwoman Montelione.
08:14:43 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
08:14:45 Opposed?
08:14:46 All right.
08:14:48 I believe Councilman Maniscalco was next.
08:14:50 That means we will go to Councilwoman Montelione.
08:14:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My pleasure, Mr. Chair.
08:14:55 I'd also like to say that it was a great point about the
08:14:57 historic preservation and the factory burning down.
08:15:00 And my committee is building zoning preservation.
08:15:04 Bonus points.
08:15:05 I move an ordinance being presented for first reading
08:15:08 consideration, an ordinance rezoning property in the
08:15:10 general vicinity of 317 East Plymouth Street and 3108
08:15:15 North Jefferson Street in the city of Tampa, from zoning
08:15:19 district classifications, RS-50 residential
08:15:21 single-family, to PD, planned development residential
08:15:24 multi-family, providing an effective date.
08:15:26 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman
08:15:28 Montelione, seconded by Councilman Miranda.
08:15:30 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
08:15:31 Opposed?
08:15:33 All right.
08:15:35 >> Motion carried with Reddick being absent and
08:15:38 Maniscalco being absent at vote.
08:15:40 Second reading and adoption will be August 6th at
08:15:42 9:30 a.m.
08:15:44 >> Thank you very much.
08:15:45 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
08:15:46 We are going to proceed on to our last hearings of the
08:15:50 night.
08:15:50 Number 8 and number 9 we're going to take them together
08:15:53 because they are related items.
08:15:55 The first is a continued public hearing on an application
08:15:58 and the second is on the development agreement that goes
08:16:02 with it.
08:16:03 We will hear from staff in the petitioner and then we
08:16:06 will open up for public comment.
08:16:22 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: We're here on items 8 and 9, number 8
08:16:28 is the rezoning application, REZ 15-11, to rezone the
08:16:33 property from PD-A to PD-A to allow for residential
08:16:38 single-family attached, detached and semi-detached and
08:16:42 all CN uses except multi-family residential.
08:16:45 >> Good evening, Councilmembers, David Hey with your
08:16:52 Planning Commission staff.
08:16:53 I have been sworn.
08:16:54 Our last case we move up to the New Tampa planning
08:16:58 district.
08:16:59 The subject site is located approximately right up here.
08:17:05 It is roughly 1019-acre site.
08:17:12 There is no local or express transit within this portion.
08:17:18 Hopefully that will change some day.
08:17:20 But right now there isn't any transit.
08:17:23 The closest express transit is out on Bruce B. Downs.
08:17:27 On to the aerial.
08:17:31 The city one, we have some technical issues with ours.
08:17:34 You can see Bruce B. Downs is over to the, off the
08:17:38 aerial, over to the west.
08:17:40 We have got Morris bridge road and unincorporated county
08:17:44 over to the east.
08:17:46 And you can see the predominant development pattern is
08:17:51 that suburban auto oriented residential pattern.
08:17:56 On to the future land use map, again, we couldn't -- we
08:18:01 were having boundary issues with our computer, so there's
08:18:04 no boundary on here.
08:18:05 But roughly it's all within this suburban mixed use three
08:18:10 future land use category.
08:18:12 The proposed planned development would provide for a
08:18:15 suburban style development of approximately 1.27 units
08:18:18 per acre.
08:18:19 That's below the three units per acre that can be
08:18:22 considered under the suburban mixed use 3 future land use
08:18:25 category.
08:18:26 The 20,000 square feet of commercial neighborhood uses,
08:18:31 if properly placed an oriented has the ability to capture
08:18:34 and reduce automobile trips by encouraging some walking
08:18:37 or biking to it.
08:18:39 The Planning Commission staff has found that the request
08:18:43 further the intent of a number of comprehensive plans and
08:18:45 objectives and policies a they relate to the development
08:18:48 of new residential neighborhoods to accommodate a growing
08:18:52 population, as well as a mix of residential housing
08:18:55 types.
08:18:56 The proposed mix of detached semi attached, attached
08:18:59 residential is comparable to that existing mix of housing
08:19:03 types found within the surrounding area.
08:19:05 Therefore, based on those findings and the goals,
08:19:08 objectives and policies of the comprehensive plan,
08:19:11 Planning Commission staff finds the rezoning request
08:19:13 consistent with the Tampa comprehensive plan.
08:19:33 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Mary Samaniego from lands development
08:19:37 coordination.
08:19:38 Sorry about that.
08:19:48 Our maps got jumbled together.
08:19:50 Here's the subject property.
08:19:52 As you can see, it's three large individual areas.
08:19:55 It's all currently zoned PD-A.
08:20:00 This is to amend the PD-A, which I'll go into more detail
08:20:05 in one moment.
08:20:06 Here's an aerial of the subject property.
08:20:09 It's historically used as ranch pasture land.
08:20:13 This is area one.
08:20:15 Large area 2 and large area 3.
08:20:18 You can see on the map there's been development over the
08:20:21 past 15 years for other portions of the K-Bar Ranch
08:20:25 development.
08:20:26 I'll go into a little bit of the history of the area.
08:20:33 This K-Bar Ranch was originally approved I believe in --
08:20:41 well, the annexation occurred in 2002.
08:20:47 In 2002 and 2004, this area was initially rezoned to
08:20:52 PD-A.
08:20:54 And then subsequently the subdivision plats came through.
08:20:57 Part of the original PD approval, which was Z-04-100 was
08:21:02 to approve 1,199 units.
08:21:05 Typically when you have a project of this size, you have
08:21:10 planned development approved which shows the general
08:21:13 parameters of development with an accompanying
08:21:16 development order.
08:21:16 The development order outlines what improvements are
08:21:19 required, transportation, sewer, water, parks, et cetera.
08:21:22 And the timing of those improvements as each area is
08:21:25 developed.
08:21:26 Obviously we have a development agreement for this
08:21:29 project as well, which is before you for consideration.
08:21:31 As the properties have been developed, there was a stop
08:21:37 order required based on 1,199 units.
08:21:42 That development agreement is going to be replaced, will
08:21:47 be void and replaced with the current development
08:21:49 agreement before you.
08:21:50 The applicant specifically is requesting for 1400 units
08:21:57 in makes of single-family attached, detached and semi
08:22:00 detached residential.
08:22:02 And then up to 20,000 square feet of CN uses with the
08:22:07 exception of multi-family not included.
08:22:09 Typically multi-family is a special use one and CN.
08:22:13 The applicant has elected to remove that as an option.
08:22:15 So there would be no multi-family in this project at all.
08:22:18 Let me show you a quick site plan of the property.
08:22:24 This is the site plan that you have before you.
08:22:30 They're broken up into different parcels, which will be
08:22:51 separate, smaller subdivisions.
08:22:53 This is Keenan road.
08:22:56 I'm sorry, Keenan street.
08:22:57 And the new proposed street road will go completely
08:23:01 through and connect to Morris Bridge Road.
08:23:03 I will state and again Melanie Calloway from our
08:23:07 transportation division is here and she'll speak more
08:23:09 about the details of the transportation network.
08:23:11 But this connection has been envisioned since the
08:23:14 beginning of the K-Bar development per 2004.
08:23:17 This is just continuing on and revising the existing
08:23:21 PD-A.
08:23:24 In this area here, the developer and applicant will
08:23:31 dedicate a 50-acre park or give a 50-acre park to the
08:23:36 city.
08:23:37 The city in coordination with Hillsborough County will
08:23:40 develop that park as active recreation facility.
08:23:44 The development agreement explains the timing of the
08:23:50 changeover of title for the property and it's an existing
08:23:54 borrow pit site for when they developed some of the other
08:23:57 subdivisions in the areas and Eastern Park, basset creek,
08:24:01 O and Q.
08:24:02 The applicant is required to fill in that area and then
08:24:05 bring utilities to it.
08:24:06 And then the city would continue on with the development
08:24:08 of the park.
08:24:09 As you can see, there are several wetlands throughout the
08:24:13 area.
08:24:14 Which have been, will be taken into consideration as each
08:24:18 lot comes in for a subdivision or incremental
08:24:22 development.
08:24:22 Per our requirements of code as well as Army corps of
08:24:26 engineer and SWFWMD requirements.
08:24:29 And EPC requirements.
08:24:30 Along this area, the Basset Creek corridor, wildlife
08:24:35 corridor, they've done extensive studying as part of the
08:24:38 original PD-A approval, they're required to do
08:24:41 monitoring, quarterly monitoring for this wildlife
08:24:46 corridor which they have done.
08:24:47 And will be required to continue to do.
08:24:50 Seeing that, I think I will hand it over to Ms. Calloway
08:24:57 to talk more detail about the transportation
08:24:59 improvements.
08:24:59 I will say one concern that we have heard from the
08:25:01 surrounding property owners is whether or not there's
08:25:05 capacity at the school.
08:25:08 Typically at this stage in a plan development, of this
08:25:12 size, the school does take a quick look at it, the
08:25:17 existing capacity.
08:25:18 It appears that there's capacity as of today for the high
08:25:22 school and middle school, however, there does not appear
08:25:25 to be capacity as of today for the elementary school.
08:25:28 I did contact the plan per at the school board and asked
08:25:32 what is typically done in that situation.
08:25:34 As each subdivision comes in they'll be required to go
08:25:37 through school concurrency.
08:25:39 If there's no available spots at the given elementary
08:25:44 school for this site, it would be heritage elementary
08:25:47 school.
08:25:47 Then they start looking at adjoining constitutional.
08:25:50 I do know pride elementary school does have available
08:25:52 capacity per their numbers.
08:25:55 And they've also instituted a choice program at pride
08:25:59 elementary school to give beneficial treatment to the
08:26:02 surrounding subdivisions in K-Bar so students could
08:26:06 attend that school, which is in such close proximity.
08:26:10 I'll show you just for reference.
08:26:13 Heritage school is down here or Morris Bridge Road.
08:26:18 And pride elementary school is right there off of Keenan.
08:26:22 I'll turn it over to Melanie Calloway and if there's
08:26:29 questions about the wetlands and the wildlife corridor,
08:26:31 Kathy Beck from natural resources is available.
08:26:34 >> Melanie Calloway, with the planning division.
08:26:44 Transportation engineer in the planning division.
08:26:46 I have been sworn.
08:26:47 It's been a long time.
08:26:50 [ Laughter ]
08:26:50 >> I know Mary went through a little bit of the rezoning
08:27:05 and I wanted to go a little more in-depth about the road.
08:27:09 In 2002 in the annexation agreement was planned there
08:27:12 would be east-west connector going through the K-Bar
08:27:16 properties.
08:27:18 The first, in 2003 was when the property known as Eastern
08:27:21 Park subdivision of 600 units was rezoned.
08:27:25 In 2003, the K-Bar Parkway was not shown on this plan but
08:27:30 note number 15 was very clear on this road.
08:27:33 And it states within a larger property addressing
08:27:36 annexation agreement, east-west arterial will eventually
08:27:40 be constructed connecting Morris Bridge Road through
08:27:43 K-Bar Ranch to the west.
08:27:44 The final location of the east-west arterial is not known
08:27:49 at the time of the zoning approval.
08:27:50 Prior to construction of the internal roadway system for
08:27:54 the rezoning parcel right-of-way for the east-west road
08:27:58 shall be preserved within the given parcel.
08:28:01 If all or portion of east-west arterial lies within the
08:28:04 zoning parcels, regardless of the ultimately location of
08:28:08 the east-west arterial, internal roadway system shall be
08:28:12 designed and built such connection made with the
08:28:16 east-west arterial facilitate the flow of traffic from
08:28:19 the rezoning parcel to the east-west arterial.
08:28:23 The access points from Morris Bridge Road and the
08:28:26 eventual connection to the east-west arterial shall be
08:28:31 ingress and egress points of the rezoning parcel.
08:28:34 This road was planned to go through this parcel and
08:28:37 connect to the parcel.
08:28:39 It was very important to keep connections.
08:28:41 In 2004, the preliminary plat of Eastern Park was
08:28:46 submitted.
08:28:47 As you may know, preliminary plats are not recorded.
08:28:52 But they are a record that was submitted to the city.
08:28:56 As you can see, in this, it was street K shown on the
08:29:00 preliminary plat.
08:29:01 And also the 150-foot collector roadway street section of
08:29:06 the road.
08:29:07 Showing the ultimate build-out.
08:29:09 I just want to be clear the agreement that we are talking
08:29:13 about is a two-lane road way segment that is going to be
08:29:17 built.
08:29:17 Not the ultimate floor.
08:29:20 Or is an ultimate down the road possibility in this
08:29:24 roadway.
08:29:25 But the agreement addresses a two-lane road.
08:29:28 So in 2005, the rezoning of these parcels went for ZO
08:29:32 4-19 with ZO 4-100 and we took into account this was the
08:29:38 roadway network conceptually.
08:29:41 So we showed it in 2004 on the zoning.
08:29:44 Eastern Park phase one --
08:29:46 >> Before you go on?
08:29:47 The comment that you just made about the two-lane
08:29:50 roadway.
08:29:53 If this were to go through as designed and as indicated
08:29:58 back to the 2003 agreement for this road, or the 2003
08:30:05 language that you pointed out, fast forward 15 years into
08:30:12 the future, it's decided this needs to become a four-lane
08:30:14 road.
08:30:15 It would have to go through any of the same processes we
08:30:18 go through now to widen that road?
08:30:22 >> Just like Cross Creek.
08:30:24 As you know, Cross Creek was originally a two-lane road
08:30:25 built as a two-lane road.
08:30:27 But always envisioned to be four lane, was actually built
08:30:30 and designed as a four-lane road.
08:30:32 It was just never the other lanes were never put in and
08:30:34 now we are making that four lane widening.
08:30:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Now you just said another thing that
08:30:39 I'm curious about.
08:30:41 And that is the difference between the design and the
08:30:47 implementation and construction.
08:30:52 >> The way roads designed, like you can design a road as
08:30:57 a four-lane roadway.
08:30:58 You can make a sub base.
08:30:59 You can have all your stormwater ponds to the capacity
08:31:04 for a four-lane road.
08:31:05 That your mitigation for anything is for the four-lane
08:31:08 ultimate build-out.
08:31:09 And that is taken into account.
08:31:12 We have taken that into account.
08:31:13 We have built the ponds.
08:31:14 So in later base, if the city came in 20 years down the
08:31:17 road to widen the road, they actually have capacity in
08:31:20 the ponds.
08:31:21 So we don't have to buy additional land.
08:31:23 We have that already in place.
08:31:26 It's in place that if ever needed, it's available.
08:31:29 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
08:31:30 Thank you.
08:31:31 >> So Eastern Park phase one in 2006, I just wanted to
08:31:35 show you box 24 and 25.
08:31:37 So in this plat, it shows that there's this unplatted
08:31:43 area here.
08:31:44 And this is Pictorial Drive.
08:31:49 Pictorial Park Drive.
08:31:52 When these lots were all -- it even happens on Pictorial
08:31:57 Park.
08:31:59 You can see the 30-foot buffer, there's a 30-foot buffer.
08:32:03 So this unplatted area had a 30-foot buffer.
08:32:06 They buffered from Pictorial Park Drive.
08:32:09 That's how they set up this subdivision, so there's a
08:32:11 30-foot buffer between that set aside.
08:32:15 That's what this is.
08:32:16 When you see Eastern Park phase three came in in 2007,
08:32:20 you can see when phase three came in they actually had
08:32:23 the set-aside for the road.
08:32:25 150 foot platted right-of-way.
08:32:29 You can see lots 24 and 25.
08:32:30 You can see where this 30-foot is.
08:32:32 Adjacent to the 150 feet of the road.
08:32:35 As you can also see in Eastern Park phase three in 2007,
08:32:41 it specifically stated this unplatted area was going to
08:32:44 be a future collector road to be named at a later date.
08:32:47 This is an aerial, what Pictorial Drive looks like now
08:32:54 and here is the corridor that has been set aside for the
08:32:59 K-Bar Ranch Parkway.
08:33:01 And this is what actually looks like at the intersection.
08:33:04 As you can see, when we, when the road went in, they
08:33:08 already took into account there's a turn lane ready to go
08:33:11 into where that stub-out is actually.
08:33:15 The last thing was Basset Creek Estates to replat.
08:33:21 I gave this to you because there was a resident that I
08:33:25 had been speaking to and I wanted to be clear on what
08:33:27 happened.
08:33:28 She lived on Mistflower Lane and she was concerned there
08:33:32 was road connection to Mistflower.
08:33:33 She wanted a cul-de-sac.
08:33:35 I was explaining to her that this plat that was done a
08:33:38 year ago and this is still actually, still under
08:33:43 construction.
08:33:44 Some of the lots are still empty.
08:33:45 But there was always going to be a road connected to
08:33:49 Mistflower.
08:33:50 I tried to explain to her, one thing in New Tampa is
08:33:53 needed is roadway connections.
08:33:55 Roadway networks.
08:33:56 That was what causes a lot of problems, bottlenecks and
08:33:59 backups.
08:34:00 So it's very important to keep the connections that we
08:34:03 have.
08:34:04 And this a year ago was changed as future collector
08:34:06 roadway.
08:34:07 As you know, this road will continue all the way to the
08:34:10 park.
08:34:10 That's what that road is right there.
08:34:12 Any questions?
08:34:17 >>HARRY COHEN: Any questions from Councilmembers before
08:34:18 we move on to the petitioner?
08:34:20 All right.
08:34:21 Petitioner?
08:34:32 >> Good evening, Chair, members of City Council.
08:35:12 My name is Scott Steady, with Burr & Forman, Suite 3200,
08:35:16 One Tampa City Center, representing M/I Homes this
08:35:20 evening.
08:35:20 Just want to introduce a few people that are here with
08:35:22 me.
08:35:23 Scott Griffith with M/I Homes.
08:35:25 Angelo Baluja, he's the traffic engineer that we work
08:35:29 with.
08:35:30 Tim Plate with Heidt & Associates, he's the engineer.
08:35:33 Laura is back there with Heidt & Associates and also Mark
08:35:41 Spada with M/I Homes.
08:35:43 I intend to give the presentation.
08:35:44 They're here to answer questions.
08:35:46 And I hope to be concise.
08:35:47 But we have been working on this probably nine, ten
08:35:50 months.
08:35:51 And I'd like to fill in some of the information.
08:35:53 If I could start first to outline just kind of go back
08:35:57 through some of the facts we just heard.
08:35:59 This is the K-Bar Ranch.
08:36:02 The K-Bar Ranch property.
08:36:06 And it shows the zoning.
08:36:08 The K-Bar Ranch includes though I should point out these
08:36:11 two properties here, which are note part of the zoning.
08:36:14 They're still owned by the Krusen-Douglas family.
08:36:16 They're not part of the zoning.
08:36:18 But substantially all the rest of the K-Bar Ranch
08:36:22 property, which is I believe the last big undeveloped
08:36:25 property in the City of Tampa, unless you start annexing
08:36:28 again.
08:36:29 But this was annexed back in the second Grego
08:36:32 administration.
08:36:33 So, as pointed out earlier, this is the property being
08:36:38 rezoned.
08:36:38 This is the property being rezoned and this is the
08:36:41 property.
08:36:41 This is Morris Bridge Road.
08:36:43 Kinnan Street, Mansfield Boulevard.
08:36:46 Up in Pasco County.
08:36:47 That's the Pasco County line.
08:36:48 The K-Bar Ranch Parkway that we talked about is here
08:36:55 through to Morris Bridge Road.
08:36:57 I'll just point out what the city is requiring us to do,
08:37:01 which we have agreed to, is design four lanes, dedicate
08:37:06 right-of-way for four lanes, build two lanes.
08:37:10 And that includes the meadow point connection.
08:37:13 So there's actually going to be, so it's clear, four
08:37:16 lanes, all dedicated with all four lanes designed, we're
08:37:20 building two of them.
08:37:22 We're going to talk about this a little more, but Kinnan
08:37:25 Street right here goes to the county line.
08:37:28 Stops, you can throw a rock to the other side and pick up
08:37:32 Mansfield Boulevard.
08:37:33 It's not connected.
08:37:34 As many people know.
08:37:35 Right now, meadow point Boulevard comes down, actually
08:37:40 comes down a little closer from Pasco County and ends
08:37:42 right at the county line.
08:37:44 Couple of other things.
08:37:47 This is the Basset Creek project here.
08:37:50 This is Eastern Park that Melanie was primarily talking
08:37:54 about and here's that reservation of right-of-way right
08:37:58 there.
08:37:59 The wildlife corridor, which has been preserved on the
08:38:04 Eastern Park, is a significant corridor that the city has
08:38:08 paid attention to.
08:38:09 It's not simply monitoring, we're required to protect a
08:38:13 big swath of it.
08:38:15 And we will be do diagnose so going forward.
08:38:17 I'll come back and talk about that a little bit.
08:38:20 And one other thing.
08:38:22 The park area is actually 58 acres.
08:38:25 I think mentioned 50.
08:38:26 So it's 58.
08:38:28 I'll talk a little bit more about that too.
08:38:30 Mary?
08:38:35 Said 58.
08:38:36 >> I apologize if I slighted you, Mary.
08:38:38 Okay.
08:38:39 So just a little background again.
08:38:42 And Mary mentioned.
08:38:43 There was a development agreement from 2002, annexation
08:38:46 agreement with the Krusen-Douglas family.
08:38:49 Greco administration negotiated with them.
08:38:52 Come into the city and envisioned the development pretty
08:38:55 much as pointed out here.
08:38:57 In the original annexation agreement, a total of 1,999
08:39:02 units were mentioned.
08:39:04 1199 were actually approved.
08:39:07 And that's what's been built out there and as currently
08:39:11 under construction.
08:39:12 600 units in Eastern Park and remainder in the Basset
08:39:15 Creek area.
08:39:16 We actually entered into a couple of subsequent
08:39:19 agreements.
08:39:20 We were here earlier this spring in 2015, following up on
08:39:24 the development of O and Q.
08:39:27 These are currently being developed by M/I Homes and
08:39:30 Lennar.
08:39:31 This part of the parkway has been built.
08:39:35 There's two lanes here.
08:39:36 I want to note here in the area between where it's built
08:39:41 and Kinnan Street, and this will become important
08:39:45 shortly, a major waterline was built.
08:39:47 And over that waterline is a maintenance road.
08:39:50 Eventually the road will be built.
08:39:53 Right now there's a major waterline and a gravel road
08:39:56 over it.
08:39:57 Again, I'll come back to that in a minute.
08:40:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, when you say that the road
08:40:04 has been built, it's not built and open to the public?
08:40:08 >> This is built and open to the public.
08:40:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It is.
08:40:10 Just want to clarify that because it was misleading, kind
08:40:13 of misleading.
08:40:14 >> I'm sure I misled you.
08:40:16 So that's open and built.
08:40:18 This area here has been a major waterline is in there but
08:40:22 it's not open.
08:40:23 It's not a road.
08:40:24 But it will be.
08:40:25 We're working on it.
08:40:26 As a matter of fact --
08:40:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's what I wanted you to
08:40:28 differentiate.
08:40:29 >> As a matter of fact, while I'm on it, this road which
08:40:31 is very important to the project is under permitting,
08:40:35 unfortunately Army corps of engineer is going to take the
08:40:38 longest time.
08:40:39 We're trying to get this permitted.
08:40:41 We have a number of permits now but we need the Army
08:40:43 corps and that could take another year to do.
08:40:45 So we're working on it diligently.
08:40:48 That's going to get some other approvals.
08:40:51 Two major challenges for this project.
08:40:53 Want to talk about that briefly.
08:40:54 We still have those challenges.
08:40:58 I know Council Montelione is very familiar with it.
08:41:02 And that's the connections with Pasco County.
08:41:03 There's no connection here.
08:41:08 This is a county road that ends.
08:41:10 A lot of people want to go north.
08:41:12 A lot of people want to go south.
08:41:15 I wasn't around during the discussions with Pasco County
08:41:17 when it happened, but Pasco County has been hesitant to
08:41:20 allow that connection.
08:41:21 Put it politically.
08:41:24 Nice as I can.
08:41:27 So, what we have done, what we have done with the city,
08:41:31 we have two scenarios.
08:41:33 I'm going to go through one shortly.
08:41:34 Spare you the other one.
08:41:36 We have one with connections and one without connections.
08:41:39 We have the proposed development where we can move
08:41:42 forward with the development, without those connections
08:41:45 and with the connections.
08:41:47 Now, M/I Homes would prefer to make the connections.
08:41:50 So we're not trying to avoid the connections.
08:41:52 The thought process is here, as if the city moves
08:41:56 forward, and I'll point out while Pasco County is blowing
08:42:00 and going up here, assume the city goes and pursues this,
08:42:05 showed Pasco County that the city and we are moving
08:42:08 forward and it's time now to come and talk about the
08:42:10 connections.
08:42:11 So we have two scenarios.
08:42:13 One is with the connections and one is without the
08:42:16 connections.
08:42:17 What we hope to do with the approval is, with the
08:42:21 approval, go back to Pasco County and approach them and
08:42:24 say we're ready to make the connections, let's go do it,
08:42:27 otherwise we're moving forward.
08:42:29 And to a large extent, they move forward very similarly
08:42:32 but there's a point where we don't make the connections.
08:42:35 Now, we'll point out on either scenario, the city is
08:42:39 requiring us to dedicate, design four lanes and build two
08:42:44 of the lanes up to the county line.
08:42:47 So that maybe in the future somebody connects it.
08:42:50 But we will be building that regardless.
08:42:52 Our desires is to make the connection.
08:42:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When you talk about those connections,
08:42:58 I can tell you I've gotten a lot of email and it's been
08:43:01 in the newspaper and everything about the connection,
08:43:03 particularly Kinnan Mansfield.
08:43:06 If you go to Beardsley the same way, it's going to look
08:43:13 just like Kinnan Mansfield.
08:43:15 It's going to get there but it's not going to cross.
08:43:17 Kinnan Mansfield is already there, except for those
08:43:25 blocks sitting there blocking people from using the
08:43:27 roads.
08:43:27 What benefit would it be, just to put it on the record,
08:43:31 for you to build those intersection improvements?
08:43:34 >> Benefit?
08:43:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Would M/I Homes be responsible for
08:43:39 making the improvements in those intersections?
08:43:42 >> Yes.
08:43:42 Well, under the -- let me make myself clear.
08:43:46 With the connections scenario that's here, and as a
08:43:50 matter of fact, I'm going to show it.
08:43:51 One of the improvements to some defined as improvement B
08:43:55 and that's a connection.
08:43:56 One of our improvement is defined as connection all the
08:43:59 way up into Pasco County.
08:44:00 So if, if Pasco County is reasonable, that's the
08:44:06 condition, we're not going to do whatever they ask.
08:44:09 But if they're reasonable, we'll make the connection.
08:44:12 We'll make it now and we prefer to make it.
08:44:15 We want to make that connection.
08:44:16 Does that answer your question?
08:44:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
08:44:19 I want everybody out there in TV land to know that what
08:44:24 our issues are about connecting Kinnan Mansfield.
08:44:28 >> Well, I know, and I'll move along here, but again we
08:44:32 work through a couple -- now seems pretty simple but it
08:44:35 took us a long time to work through it.
08:44:38 Melanie is shaking her head.
08:44:40 We worked through the scenarios.
08:44:41 We have been meeting, I know I attended one meeting with
08:44:45 Pasco County.
08:44:45 Staff has been meeting with Pasco County.
08:44:47 With staff.
08:44:48 And one of the things just to let you know, what we're
08:44:51 envisioning is what, first of all, the Pasco County staff
08:44:55 not speaking for their board, said they would see these
08:44:59 two connections when this loop is connected.
08:45:02 Which is what the city would also like to see.
08:45:04 And they've also asked for us to identity some possible
08:45:08 connections up to union park -- by the way, they're
08:45:12 building another road coming right down from union park
08:45:15 that's being construct it right now.
08:45:17 So they bring all the roads to the county line and you
08:45:20 know, where we'd like to look them up.
08:45:23 Except let me make this clear.
08:45:25 We're not doing this one.
08:45:26 Okay.
08:45:27 Just a point.
08:45:32 When we first started this, and Angelo Belushi our
08:45:37 traffic planner, we proposed the transportation plan that
08:45:40 would support in our position more units sooner in a
08:45:43 different scenario.
08:45:44 We spent a lot of time with the city trying to find the
08:45:47 balance where the city felt that they could support this
08:45:54 in that, with the number of units that come on line with
08:45:58 the improvements and the timing.
08:46:00 So we have really kind of met I think, I don't know if we
08:46:03 have met in the middle but we have really compromised to
08:46:06 get to where we are today.
08:46:07 So, let me just briefly run through one of the scenarios.
08:46:15 And I think I'll be optimistic with the connections.
08:46:20 And if I could just briefly turn to this exhibit here.
08:46:24 Because it's some defined -- in the development
08:46:31 agreement, we define improvement A -- first of all, we're
08:46:36 making an improvement.
08:46:37 Here's the project up here.
08:46:38 Improvement A is down across creek and Kinnan street.
08:46:42 We're going to make an improvement there to help
08:46:44 facilitate the traffic flow.
08:46:47 B is the connection weep just talked about between Kinnan
08:46:50 street and Mansfield Boulevard Pasco.
08:46:55 C is the first leg of the parkway to connect up with the
08:46:58 parkway that's built.
08:47:00 D is the next leg to the intersection with meadow point.
08:47:05 E is the meadow point connection.
08:47:10 F goes from the intersection of meadow point to the
08:47:14 wildlife corridor.
08:47:15 And then G would take it through to Morris Bridge Road.
08:47:19 Okay.
08:47:20 So what we are doing is A, immediately upon effective
08:47:29 date, we're going to immediately start design and
08:47:35 ultimate construction of the improvement on Cross Creek
08:47:41 and Kinnan Street, where we're going to increase the turn
08:47:45 capacity going north on to Kinnan.
08:47:48 And more importantly, we're going to make a turn lane
08:47:51 improvement going south on Kinnan on the Cross Creek.
08:47:55 That's going to be a lot of work of the there's a lot of
08:47:57 utilities there and it's going to take a lot of time.
08:48:00 But we're immediately under the development agreement
08:48:02 required to initiate that work till completion.
08:48:04 With that, we receive 231 units.
08:48:08 And I want to make this clear.
08:48:10 It doesn't mean all of a sudden 231 units is going to be
08:48:13 constructed out there.
08:48:14 It just means now we can start working on it.
08:48:17 I'm talking about a timing issue here.
08:48:19 The 231 units can be put in B, A, L and M.
08:48:25 And those three only.
08:48:26 And so in talking with Tim Plate, it's going to take from
08:48:33 when we get -- effective date is about a month after the
08:48:38 second reading.
08:48:39 It will take nine months to design, get a permits and
08:48:43 everything to get the subdivision going.
08:48:44 So it will be at least nine months.
08:48:46 B, we have done some initial work initially.
08:48:50 And so where I'm going with this is one of the biggest
08:48:52 concerns that the Basset Creek subdivision has is the
08:48:56 traffic.
08:48:57 Currently the traffic coming into Basset Creek, whether
08:49:01 it's residents, subdivision construction, home
08:49:03 construction is going through community.
08:49:06 And one of the biggest things that we heard was, you got
08:49:09 to get the construction trucks and the traffic out of our
08:49:13 community as soon as possible.
08:49:14 So what we're doing is a commitment within six months,
08:49:19 we're going to take -- that's what I'm going to come back
08:49:23 to what we call improvement C.
08:49:24 We're going to come back here in the next six months
08:49:26 after the effective date, so will be 7, 8 months, there's
08:49:30 a waterline with a significant drive on it.
08:49:35 We're going to maintain it in a way that will support the
08:49:38 construction traffic and divert the construction traffic
08:49:42 here to take it out of Basset Creek.
08:49:45 Now, two caveats.
08:49:47 One, there's still construction of houses in Basset
08:49:49 Creek, so they're still going to go through the
08:49:52 community.
08:49:52 Can't stop every truck.
08:49:53 Not guaranteeing that.
08:49:55 And, when we start constructing this, what everybody
08:49:58 wants so we have construction done, there's going to be
08:50:01 some coordination between construction paths through
08:50:05 truck traffic and the building of the road itself.
08:50:08 So there's going to be a little bit of an issue there.
08:50:11 So, with our, with working with Melanie and the city we
08:50:16 tried to find that balance of getting enough units so
08:50:19 that it justifies the expenditure of starting this
08:50:22 project.
08:50:23 The timing, the construction road being here within six
08:50:29 months of the effective date to take it out of Basset
08:50:31 Creek as much as possible.
08:50:33 Okay.
08:50:33 So, at that point, and I'll finish this up.
08:50:39 So now we have, we're going to be doing improvement A,
08:50:45 which is the off site improvement to help the traffic to
08:50:48 get on to Kinnan street.
08:50:50 That will be underway.
08:50:52 Within six months we'll have the construction traffic
08:50:56 going on what we will ultimately call improvement C.
08:51:00 So, we have 231.
08:51:03 Before we have the 232nd residential building permit, we
08:51:07 need to complete C.
08:51:10 Two roads built.
08:51:12 Excuse me.
08:51:13 Two lanes built.
08:51:14 So once that's built, we get another 368 units.
08:51:20 Prior to the 600th unit, we have to complete D.
08:51:27 What's good about this system and we work through it,
08:51:33 it's clear.
08:51:34 You have to finish it.
08:51:35 Then you'll get units.
08:51:36 It's very, pretty straightforward.
08:51:38 Not what we asked for at the beginning, but it's what we
08:51:42 have.
08:51:42 So, when we finish with D, we get initial 200 units and
08:51:46 the 20,000 square feet of neighborhood commercial.
08:51:49 And frankly, M/I Homes is a home builder.
08:51:55 The thought was everyone said wait a minute, somewhere
08:51:58 along the line somebody is going to day care center or
08:52:01 something.
08:52:01 So we're actually anticipating.
08:52:03 Wasn't something we originally asked for but I think it
08:52:05 makes sense.
08:52:06 Prior to the 800th unit, we have to complete exhibit,
08:52:11 excuse me, improvement E.
08:52:13 Which would take you up all the way to Pasco County and
08:52:17 B, the connection.
08:52:18 Prior to the 1,200th unit, we take the road all the way
08:52:27 to Morris Bridge Road and get the additional 201 units.
08:52:32 So, that's how it's outlined.
08:52:34 Now, there's the alternative without connections.
08:52:38 I won't take you through it but it's very similar.
08:52:41 Just changes it up a little bit.
08:52:42 But also, despite our desire not to do it, even if we
08:52:47 don't connect it, we're going to have to build this road
08:52:50 up to the Pasco County line.
08:52:51 I finish the up?
08:52:56 >>HARRY COHEN: That's a warning light.
08:52:57 >> I know.
08:52:58 Okay.
08:53:01 So, a couple other things then.
08:53:04 The park, 58 acres, as Mary said, 58, there's page after
08:53:11 page about what we're going to do to put in it great
08:53:14 shape before the city takes it.
08:53:16 Krusen-Douglas is going to convey it almost immediately.
08:53:20 Then we restore it.
08:53:21 The wetlands -- I'm done?
08:53:26 >>HARRY COHEN: We combined the two items.
08:53:27 If you need a little more time to finish this up.
08:53:30 >> Wetlands, most of them are preserved.
08:53:34 By the way, one of the biggest issues is the roadway has
08:53:37 already been put in place to avoid the wetlands.
08:53:40 And it's going through the wildlife corridor in a
08:53:44 historic tract that went through it to begin with.
08:53:49 And that's one of the reasons it's there.
08:53:50 So, to finish up, zoning is only for single-family
08:53:58 development.
08:53:58 We even took it out of the neighborhood commercial to
08:54:01 make sure there was no multi-family.
08:54:03 There will be flow apartments.
08:54:05 Villas, town homes.
08:54:08 Okay, I believe there's a number of people here from
08:54:10 Eastern Park and it's about this road here.
08:54:13 As Melanie did a great job with the history of that.
08:54:18 One of the reasons it was there is because, and I worked
08:54:20 on Eastern Park, it was because of that historic break in
08:54:24 the wildlife corridor.
08:54:25 Avoided wetlands.
08:54:27 It was a great place to put it.
08:54:28 Now, what have we done since then?
08:54:31 With this approval, to try to lessen perhaps the impact
08:54:36 on those homes, what's interesting about this is the
08:54:41 roadway here is a 120 feet.
08:54:43 What was reserved was 150 feet.
08:54:46 So there's actually 150 feet there.
08:54:48 In addition to the 30 feet.
08:54:50 So for the homes that are most impacted on the south
08:54:53 side, there's that 30-foot buffer that's there now.
08:54:57 It's that now.
08:54:58 What we have agreed to in the development agreement is
08:55:01 within the 150 feet, that to the greatest extent
08:55:05 possible, we'll move it 20 more feet to the north.
08:55:09 So that there's a minimum of 50 feet between someone's
08:55:13 property line and where roadway improvements are, would
08:55:18 begin.
08:55:18 The 20 feet we may have a sidewalk or a multi-use.
08:55:21 That's still there.
08:55:22 But so there's 30 feet that's there and because there's
08:55:26 150, we can move it up.
08:55:28 Provided there's some, we can skirt some wetlands and
08:55:32 things like that.
08:55:32 The other thing is that we're going to do a pedestrian
08:55:37 plan and when we construct what is called improvement G,
08:55:41 that's through here, we'll provide, install pedestrian
08:55:47 plant across Pictorial Drive and working with the city,
08:55:50 also coordinate with the school board on perhaps the new
08:55:53 bus route for the school.
08:55:55 So, I appreciate your time.
08:55:58 If any questions, we're here to answer them.
08:56:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
08:56:01 Let me look and see if there's any questions from
08:56:03 Councilmembers right now.
08:56:04 I don't see any.
08:56:06 But we will go to the public and then I'm sure the
08:56:09 Councilmembers may have some questions.
08:56:11 Right now, it is time for public comments.
08:56:13 Anyone that would like to address Council on this matter,
08:56:17 which would be either of the two items that we're taking
08:56:21 up right now.
08:56:22 Please go ahead and stand up and queue up.
08:56:28 Three minutes per speaker.
08:56:29 Let's make sure that everyone that is speaking or even
08:56:32 thinks they might want to speak, has been sworn in.
08:56:34 Is there anyone here that has not been sworn?
08:56:37 Okay.
08:56:38 Doesn't look like it.
08:56:39 So let's go ahead and get started.
08:56:41 >> I just wanted to present I do have a waiver.
08:56:44 Six neighbors have given me their time for a total of
08:56:46 nine minutes.
08:56:56 >> Mr. Chairman, a speaker waiver form, would you please
08:56:59 acknowledge that you're here when I call your name.
08:57:04 Lisa Murphy.
08:57:05 Thank you.
08:57:05 Elizabeth Stratego.
08:57:11 Christine Morel.
08:57:14 Cindy Dyson, Sam Dyson and Julio Colon.
08:57:18 Thank you.
08:57:19 Six for a total of nine minutes.
08:57:21 >> Good evening, Councilmembers.
08:57:27 My name is Vanessa Riviera Colon, 10942 Ancient Futures
08:57:33 Drive, part of K-Bar and a very active voter.
08:57:39 Here to speak on my behalf and on behalf of my neighbors,
08:57:42 some who asked me to speak on their behalf regarding the
08:57:45 rezoning application which includes construction of homes
08:57:47 and construction of the K-Bar Parkway, which will run
08:57:50 through our Eastern Park neighborhood.
08:57:52 We ask that you allow us to have a voice from this
08:57:54 process.
08:57:55 We have heard from city planners and M/I Homes that this
08:57:59 development and specifically K-Bar Parkway was planned
08:58:02 way before we came into the neighborhood.
08:58:03 We're a neighborhood made up of working families,
08:58:06 children, professionals, business owners, military and
08:58:09 retirees.
08:58:10 Our neighborhood is very diverse, at least 50% of our
08:58:14 community representing racial and ethnic mine north.
08:58:18 We were not here when the road was planned years ago and
08:58:21 deserve a violents and here today to request the denial
08:58:24 of this application for the safety of our children and
08:58:27 the qualities of our families.
08:58:28 According to policy 18.32 of the Tampa comprehensive
08:58:34 plan, the Council's required to consider the impacts of
08:58:37 the redevelopment projects on the existing physical and
08:58:40 social framework arranged characters affected area and
08:58:43 should be recognized and discussed during the development
08:58:45 review process.
08:58:47 The planned construction of the K-Bar Parkway within
08:58:49 Eastern Park at the latter end is going to isolate 123
08:58:53 homes.
08:58:54 So that means that people who use the parks in the front,
08:58:58 who use amenity center, who walk their dogs, walk with
08:59:01 their families will now have to cross a potentially
08:59:04 45-mile-per-hour parkway to get to the front of the
08:59:07 neighborhood.
08:59:08 Children ride their bikes to the front of the
08:59:11 neighborhood to get to the bus stop.
08:59:12 So it's definitely proposing a very big safety issue for
08:59:17 our community.
08:59:18 M/I Homes has a advised us they're building the roadway
08:59:24 at 45 miles per hour because that is what the city
08:59:27 requires.
08:59:28 This is actually over 50% speed limit compared to the
08:59:31 highest existing speed limit, which is 30 miles per hour.
08:59:34 If you approve the K-Bar Parkway at 45 miles per hour,
08:59:37 you are putting our homeowners and children at a greater
08:59:40 risk of harm and are knowingly endangering everyone's
08:59:44 welfare.
08:59:44 You have the opportunity today to ensure our safety by
08:59:47 deciding that the parkway should be built around Eastern
08:59:50 Park.
08:59:51 That's what we're asking for.
08:59:52 We're not trying to stop development.
08:59:54 We understand that times are getting better.
08:59:56 But we really are asking to build it around Eastern Park.
09:00:00 While the newest agreement included, includes a
09:00:04 pedestrian crossing, potential signalization and possibly
09:00:08 moving the bus stop in Eastern Park, it's insufficient.
09:00:11 We don't want to lose a life.
09:00:13 This is actually we're in the suburbs, we're in the
09:00:16 neighborhood.
09:00:16 Having a child or somebody crossing that parkway,
09:00:19 45 miles per hour, poses a huge impact to the safety of
09:00:22 our community.
09:00:23 Under policy 18.4.10 of the Tampa comprehensive plan,
09:00:28 when looking at redevelopment projects you must make
09:00:31 attempts to ensure there's a minimal disruption to
09:00:34 adjacent areas by assessing potential positive and
09:00:37 negative impact residential development projects.
09:00:40 It's evident that the K-Bar Parkway will serve as a major
09:00:43 connector through the center, middle of Eastern Park to
09:00:46 Morris Bridge road and from its inception the proposed
09:00:50 project will become a continuous bypass for commuters to
09:00:53 cut through when we were having the expansion Cross
09:00:55 Creek, people were cutting through the Publix parking
09:00:58 lot.
09:00:58 I dropped my kids offer at school and people, that's
09:01:02 45 miles per hour Cross Creek, people go 60 miles per
09:01:05 hour.
09:01:05 They speed through there.
09:01:06 And that's our concern that will also happen in our
09:01:09 community.
09:01:09 Many of the residents in Eastern Park bought from mi to
09:01:14 enjoy peace, tranquility and natural surroundings we see
09:01:18 on a daily basis on the proposed parcel P and Q.
09:01:22 M/I's new redevelopment proposal of the parcels of town
09:01:25 homes or villas, which can have a negative impact on the
09:01:29 character of our area.
09:01:30 We ask in assessing this application you and M/I Homes
09:01:33 consider the following proposals to mitigate the negative
09:01:36 off-site impacts.
09:01:37 Include a pond or small lake with fountains at the
09:01:40 entrance of Eastern Park to make the character of the
09:01:43 surrounding area beautiful and positive place for
09:01:46 residents as well as new residents who will be joining.
09:01:49 By building town homes and villas without aesthetic
09:01:52 surroundings, it will further diminish the character of
09:01:55 Eastern Park community and for the reduced property
09:01:58 values.
09:01:58 A water pond with fountains will be esthetically pleasing
09:02:04 to potential and existing residents and preserve the
09:02:06 character surrounding areas around Eastern Park.
09:02:10 We oppose the 20,000 square feet of commercial space.
09:02:13 Within a ten mile radius, we have multiple commercial
09:02:15 space.
09:02:16 Some of those properties are vacant.
09:02:18 Some of those properties don't have the best businesses
09:02:21 there.
09:02:22 And just adding additional quality -- additional
09:02:27 commercial space can impact the quality.
09:02:29 We know that the city indicated that it could potentially
09:02:33 reduce traffic because people are going to local places.
09:02:36 But I would like to propose to the Council that the
09:02:39 concern about having traffic flow into commercial
09:02:41 property is misplaced.
09:02:42 The greater concern must be the safety of the families
09:02:45 that live from the neighborhood.
09:02:46 The increased traffic caused by the parkway will impact
09:02:49 the neighborhoods in Eastern Park, Basset Creek, laurel
09:02:52 vista and heron preserve.
09:02:54 As you know, many communities including Eastern Park have
09:02:58 submitted petition recently.
09:03:00 We had nearly 500 residents from the different
09:03:02 neighborhoods submit.
09:03:04 In tint of time, we adopt and incorporate into the
09:03:08 presentation the arguments made at section 5 of the
09:03:11 petition regarding the neighborhood schools.
09:03:13 I did want to clarify.
09:03:14 My daughter does go to heritage elementary.
09:03:17 And that's her home school, pride elementary is actually
09:03:21 at capacity.
09:03:22 I wish we had Basset Creek neighbors, but that's their
09:03:26 home school, pride elementary.
09:03:27 Some of them can't even get their children into their
09:03:30 home school because it is a choice school.
09:03:32 So they have a lot of Corey lake isles residents.
09:03:36 So, did want to point that out that our children should
09:03:40 be able to go to their home school.
09:03:44 We also want to adopt section 6 of the petition as it
09:03:48 relates to the wildlife in our area.
09:03:50 Our area we, what we requested is that the Council
09:03:54 approve the application and mitigation and standards are
09:03:56 in place since your applicants are following the
09:03:59 environmental laws, we have cranes, wood storks, a little
09:04:02 bit of everything out there.
09:04:05 Gopher tortoises and we know will impact negatively.
09:04:09 We would like to propose finally, we are aware of the
09:04:12 likelihood that this application could be approved.
09:04:15 We hope it is not.
09:04:16 But in the event that you do approve it, we request
09:04:19 mitigation as follows.
09:04:20 The parkway be built around Eastern Park.
09:04:23 The parkway if it is built, then reduction of the speed
09:04:26 limit from 45 miles per hour to 30 miles per hour needs
09:04:29 to be established and implemented.
09:04:32 We ask you to install speed bumps along Pictorial Drive.
09:04:35 Starting at Pictorial Park, K-Bar Parkway intersection
09:04:39 and heading south to Morris Bridge.
09:04:41 Install or build walled landscaping by parcels P and Q
09:04:46 which will be part of Eastern Park for the homes along
09:04:48 K-Bar Parkway.
09:04:50 We additionally ask, because those will be impacted by
09:04:55 noise.
09:04:56 We ask that you assign law enforcement to police and
09:04:59 direct traffic at Morris Bridge and Pictorial Park during
09:05:01 the hours of 7:15 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. during the school
09:05:05 year and no additional cost to Eastern Park residents or
09:05:08 HOA or CDD.
09:05:11 I know you receive many letters from us, including
09:05:13 myself, opposing the project and from our homeowners
09:05:18 association, who has raised similar issues.
09:05:21 The negative impact of this proposed project will make
09:05:24 our neighborhood less desirable.
09:05:26 It's going to be less marketable and it will cause
09:05:30 decrease in our financial growth in our homes.
09:05:32 This is actually ply first home as an adult.
09:05:35 I was hoping to leave a legacy for my children.
09:05:38 I want to maintain the integrity of the community that I
09:05:40 close to live in.
09:05:41 So my neighbors chose to live.
09:05:44 So we ask the Council to deny the application and
09:05:46 development agreement.
09:05:47 Eastern Park residents thank you for your time, your
09:05:51 service and your consideration.
09:05:52 Thank you so much.
09:05:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman -- ladies and gentlemen.
09:05:58 Councilwoman Montelione?
09:06:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Ms. Colon, you very succinctly stated
09:06:03 the things that were to be approved, that you'd like to
09:06:06 see happen.
09:06:07 Can you -- do you have an extra copy of that that you can
09:06:12 give to our Council?
09:06:14 >> I do.
09:06:15 I have little scribbles on here.
09:06:16 But I will absolutely provide that to you.
09:06:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because I was trying to write them all
09:06:21 down.
09:06:22 I think I got them all, but I'm not sure.
09:06:24 I want to make sure.
09:06:25 [Inaudible]
09:06:33 >> If it absolutely must happen, we need some sort of
09:06:36 mitigation.
09:06:36 But truly we're think --
09:06:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think she might have a copy.
09:06:41 Thank you very much.
09:06:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Any other Councilmembers before we go on?
09:07:00 All right.
09:07:00 We'll move on to our next speaker.
09:07:05 >> Good evening, Councilmembers.
09:07:11 Dale Park.
09:07:11 I actually live in Eastern Park.
09:07:15 Does this thing work?
09:07:20 So, excuse the crudeness.
09:07:22 I didn't have all that stuff that they had.
09:07:24 But I did have a Google view of this.
09:07:26 And the red line there is the K-Bar Ranch Parkway, right?
09:07:31 To the north there, you see the 200 plus homes that she
09:07:36 was just talking about that are going to be cut off
09:07:38 essentially with this four-lane highway.
09:07:41 Ultimately it will be a four-lane highway.
09:07:43 I would imagine 1400 homes is going to require a
09:07:47 four-lane highway at some point.
09:07:49 Every one of those kids that lives in that northern
09:07:53 section of the development is going to have to cross that
09:07:56 four-lane highway.
09:07:57 The pool is in that small circle.
09:08:01 Our bus stops are in the larger circle.
09:08:04 Again to the south of it.
09:08:05 So they're going to have to cross that four-lane highway
09:08:08 to get to two pretty integral parts of our community.
09:08:13 There's also a park that's right there by the pool.
09:08:18 It's packed all the time.
09:08:19 There's kids there all the time.
09:08:21 To the north over here on Morris Bridge Road is
09:08:24 Zephyrhills.
09:08:25 To the south is Tampa.
09:08:27 So what ultimately I think what you're going to find, if
09:08:32 there's a traffic jam over here on Morris Bridge from
09:08:35 K-Bar Parkway, you're going to get a lot of people are
09:08:38 going to take that right hand turn and come right through
09:08:41 our community to cut through.
09:08:44 So, out of ten cars, I'll bet you one is going to go to
09:08:48 Zephyrhills, nine are going to go to Tampa.
09:08:51 If you get a traffic jam, inevitably they're going to
09:08:55 come through our community.
09:08:56 I think again as a way to mitigate what we're all mostly
09:09:01 concerned about is that road coming through there,
09:09:03 somehow take it north.
09:09:05 I appreciate the fact that they're trying to sustain a
09:09:08 wetlands and go around and doing everything.
09:09:10 I really do appreciate that because as was noted before,
09:09:14 we see a lot of wildlife.
09:09:17 I've seen bobcats.
09:09:19 I've seen alligators.
09:09:22 I've seen raccoons, possums, everything.
09:09:25 That a lot of people just take for granted.
09:09:28 But we like it.
09:09:29 That's why we live out there.
09:09:31 Please try and help us mitigate, if this is going to be
09:09:34 approved, help us mitigate the negativity and most of
09:09:37 that is built around that road right there going through
09:09:39 Eastern Park.
09:09:41 I appreciate your time.
09:09:48 >> Hello.
09:09:50 Welcome.
09:09:50 >> Thank you.
09:09:54 >> We need tour name for the record.
09:09:56 >> Sadie Clark.
09:09:57 Hi.
09:09:59 My name is Sadie Clark.
09:10:00 I would like to share that I love my community the way it
09:10:03 is.
09:10:03 I want to be able to continue to ride my bike safely with
09:10:06 friends and walk to my bus stop without the fear of
09:10:09 getting hit by a 45-mile-per-hour car.
09:10:12 I also want to amazing wildlife that roam in our
09:10:18 neighborhood to be safer as well.
09:10:19 Bobcats, turtles, raccoons, bunnies, alligators, eagles,
09:10:23 snakes, otters and other amazing animals call Eastern
09:10:26 Park home.
09:10:28 They are part of the reason we love our community and
09:10:30 having a busy road cut right through their home would
09:10:33 driver them away.
09:10:34 Our whole community is trying to protect the sandhill
09:10:37 crane family because not long ago, a baby sandhill crane
09:10:40 was hit and killed on our 30-mile-per-hour road.
09:10:44 Please just build around us, not through us.
09:10:48 Thank you.
09:10:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
09:10:53 Next?
09:10:53 >> Good evening.
09:10:59 My name is chaplain, I'm a new resident to Eastern Park.
09:11:06 Little bit about myself.
09:11:07 I am a New Yorker, originally.
09:11:11 I just moved down from Virginia.
09:11:13 Just went through explosive growth kind of like Tampa.
09:11:16 But having just moved from there I can tell you they did
09:11:19 a lot of things wrong in terms of the traffic.
09:11:22 Where commuters like myself traveled the same distance as
09:11:24 do I now to work.
09:11:25 Up there it took two and a half to three hours.
09:11:28 Depending on the traffic.
09:11:31 By trade, I'm also a strategic planner.
09:11:34 Also the son of a budget analyst for the government.
09:11:38 Upstate New York.
09:11:39 So what I'm about to present to you all things to
09:11:43 consider for long-term implications for you as a City
09:11:46 Council.
09:11:47 First of all, the limiting factor on this is Morris
09:11:50 Bridge Road, which we all know cannot be expanded due to
09:11:55 the conservation and coordination with the Army corps of
09:11:59 engineers.
09:11:59 Most of us who live in the community there either live,
09:12:03 work locally or we commute south into south Tampa and to
09:12:06 downtown Tampa.
09:12:06 The only traffic really going north to Zephyrhills is
09:12:12 truck traffic, using it as a slotter cut to go around
09:12:15 cypress hills on to I-4.
09:12:17 So Morris Bridge south right now is a two-lane road.
09:12:20 With heavy traffic, especially going south in the
09:12:23 mornings as I do to commute to work.
09:12:25 Traffic is usually posted at 45 to 50 miles an hour.
09:12:29 Average traffic there is 65 miles an hour or more.
09:12:32 We have had accidents on that road.
09:12:36 There was an accident yesterday morning around 6:00 or
09:12:39 7:00 in the morning where somebody speeding through
09:12:41 Morris Bridge Road hit a tree.
09:12:43 As we stated the concerns with the K-Bar expressway,
09:12:49 human nature will say if you live in those areas and you
09:12:52 work down in south Tampa or MacDill Air Force Base,
09:12:56 you're not going to go the extra length to get to Morris
09:12:59 Bridge.
09:13:00 You're going to use Pictorial Drive as a shortcut.
09:13:03 As my fellow residents have stated.
09:13:05 The other components too, and this is the budget analyst
09:13:10 coming through from my father, is as stated, the schools
09:13:14 themselves are at capacity.
09:13:17 Like northern Virginia did not plan coordination in
09:13:19 tandem with their growth.
09:13:21 They're paying for it now with unforecasted budget
09:13:24 requests to expand their schools, to hire new teachers,
09:13:28 to meet the capacity of the students entering the
09:13:30 schools.
09:13:31 And also the road expansions for future growth.
09:13:35 These will all impact your budget as you guys look
09:13:38 forward 20 years down the road because they're
09:13:41 unforecasted.
09:13:42 As you're only looking near term.
09:13:44 Thank you.
09:13:49 >> Next?
09:13:50 >> I'm casey bumper.
09:13:55 Also live in Eastern Park.
09:13:56 My concern, like much of my neighbors is that road that
09:14:00 will cut through our neighborhood and sever that ties for
09:14:03 the residents to the north.
09:14:05 And also make it dangerous for the additional traffic
09:14:10 flow for the neighborhood to exercise and kids to ride
09:14:12 their bikes.
09:14:13 So I would ask the Council to consider making the road go
09:14:16 around the neighborhood and not through the neighborhood.
09:14:18 Then my other concern is the two parcels that are on,
09:14:22 connecting to Morris Bridge Road that were originally
09:14:26 zoned as commercial, now going to be zoned as
09:14:28 residential.
09:14:29 That those entrances become from Morris Bridge Road and
09:14:33 not intersect Pictorial Drive.
09:14:36 Not create another intersection that could also be a
09:14:39 danger zone for children or people exercising as car is
09:14:42 entering or exiting those new developments.
09:14:45 I also ask you, if you could also decline the application
09:14:49 to make those two areas next to Morris Bridge Road or
09:14:52 adjacent to Morris Bridge Road as residential and retain
09:14:56 them as commercial, because like I would like my children
09:14:59 to have the experiences I have when I was a child, be
09:15:02 able to ride bike to the store or something, which does
09:15:06 not excise because there's no sidewalk on Morris Bridge
09:15:08 Road to ride to Publix.
09:15:10 If those were retained commercially, possibly in the
09:15:12 future convenience store or some type of store can be
09:15:15 there where the kids have some independence and ride to
09:15:17 the store.
09:15:18 Thank you.
09:15:19 >> Good evening, Council.
09:15:27 My name Steven Dwight.
09:15:29 Registered voter, father and devoted husband.
09:15:32 I'm a veteran property manager from Chicago with over 20
09:15:35 years of experience in property management development
09:15:37 community development, community safety and I've worked
09:15:40 with local officials such as Alderman, state
09:15:43 representatives, Congressmen and women.
09:15:46 Senators and the whole likes in order to keep communities
09:15:49 that I manage safe and enjoyable.
09:15:52 By agreeing to connect the road through our community,
09:15:56 you are knowingly agreeing for the following things.
09:15:58 You will increase the traffic through our community
09:16:01 substantially which will have detrimental ramifications
09:16:04 on the following issues.
09:16:05 Crime, tall bushes that act as a property line are
09:16:09 excellent places for criminals to hide.
09:16:11 For Eastern Parkers, that's a very detrimental safety
09:16:17 hazard because a lot of us like to jog and walk our dogs
09:16:21 in our communities.
09:16:22 Traffic accidents, statistically Florida has terrible
09:16:26 track records of accidents.
09:16:29 Accident can go from a simple running off the road into a
09:16:32 tree to hitting a fence or slamming into someone's house
09:16:35 and killing someone in their living room.
09:16:36 Vandalism.
09:16:38 The increase in traffic will no doubt bring curious and
09:16:41 mischievous teenagers and other individuals wandering
09:16:44 through our normally quiet neighborhood.
09:16:46 Combined with low light areas, this would increase
09:16:49 opportunities for vandals.
09:16:51 Break-ins.
09:16:53 Given the home designs, large windows, pools, large
09:16:57 access doors, sliding glass doors combined again with low
09:17:00 light and low visibility areas criminals can easily break
09:17:03 into our homes and get away right down Morris Bridge.
09:17:07 You will jeopardize the safety of multitude of little
09:17:10 children that wait on the bus stop every day and have to
09:17:13 cut through our communities to get to the pools as
09:17:15 previously stated.
09:17:16 You will increase everyone else's, all the Eastern
09:17:21 Parkers CDD and HOA dues substantially by making us pay
09:17:27 for the maintenance and upkeep on the increase of traffic
09:17:30 and the tolls it will have as far as littering and
09:17:32 lighting and repairs, et cetera.
09:17:34 You give the general public greater access to amenities
09:17:37 that we pay for, our parks, pools, our playgrounds.
09:17:41 We pay for this through our CDD and HOA fees.
09:17:46 We would ask you please reconsider this, to put the road
09:17:50 around and not through us.
09:17:52 Thank you.
09:17:58 >> Good evening.
09:18:00 My name is Kenny Akins.
09:18:02 I'm also a resident of Eastern Park.
09:18:05 I've been so for a number of years now.
09:18:07 And moving into the community, we were told a lot of
09:18:11 different things that really, you know, made the
09:18:15 community a community that you really wanted to be a part
09:18:18 of.
09:18:18 So most of us when we moved there, we are expecting these
09:18:21 things to take place.
09:18:22 And now we're looking at something totally different.
09:18:27 Things change over time and I understand that.
09:18:30 And over the last 10 years or so, when this plan was
09:18:33 first drawn up, there have been a number of things that
09:18:37 need to be reconsidered.
09:18:38 Number one, we didn't have a say from that so naturally
09:18:42 when they developed it, they looked at the amount of
09:18:45 property and how many homes they could get into that
09:18:47 property.
09:18:48 But to bring a road now right through the center of a
09:18:53 development that's going to eventually be a four-lane
09:18:55 road makes absolutely no sense when we can very easily go
09:19:00 around the community and still go out to Morris Bridge
09:19:04 Road and not impact the wetlands that they were
09:19:09 considering.
09:19:10 Also consider the fact that when we connect that road to
09:19:15 Pasco County, now we're getting the Pasco County traffic
09:19:18 coming down to use Morris Bridge Road.
09:19:22 We all know that Bruce B. Downs gets a little crowded.
09:19:25 So people will be cutting through now to this community
09:19:28 to get out to Morris Bridge Road, which we have no plans
09:19:31 of widening and now we have a bigger traffic tie-up.
09:19:37 As I said, it's very easy to redraw plans.
09:19:40 So, let's draw the plans around the community, not
09:19:44 through the community, when we're braying Pasco traffic
09:19:47 through, let Pasco traffic and all the other traffic
09:19:51 that's coming from the area up there go around our
09:19:54 community, not through our community.
09:19:55 Thank you.
09:19:56 >> Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Mark Merrick.
09:20:05 I'm a resident 20324 Natures Corner Drive up in Eastern
09:20:07 Park.
09:20:08 30 years in law enforcement has taught me a few things.
09:20:13 It's pretty painful to be scraping up men, women and
09:20:17 children off the road.
09:20:18 Having portion G of K-Bar Ranch Parkway cutting through
09:20:23 Eastern Park, an already established community, is going
09:20:27 to create an unnecessary hazard.
09:20:29 It would be smarter and wiser to route that road,
09:20:33 especially section G, and last part of section F, around
09:20:37 the northern end of Eastern Park.
09:20:41 That way you still have your east-west connector and the
09:20:44 community can thrive.
09:20:46 Secondly, the parcels on the front, P and Q, current
09:20:50 plans stipulate that the access points to those two
09:20:54 developments on either side of Pictorial Park will be
09:20:57 accessed from Pictorial Park.
09:20:59 So they're going to have to cut two new roads into
09:21:02 Pictorial Park.
09:21:04 Which is going to create more traffic congestion right
09:21:07 there at the entrance to Eastern Park.
09:21:10 Five years that I've lived here, there have been flow
09:21:13 less than three fatalities at that intersection.
09:21:16 Luckily no residents, but it's a very hazardous section
09:21:20 of road.
09:21:20 Just as you leave Eastern Park and make a right hand turn
09:21:27 going towards Cross Creek, we volts the mosque, the
09:21:31 largest morning in the Tampa metropolitan area.
09:21:34 Every Friday afternoon, Friday prayers, Hillsborough
09:21:36 County sheriff's department has to park a vehicle out
09:21:40 there to make sure that traffic doesn't become a problem.
09:21:43 So, you already have a natural barricade to the flow of
09:21:49 traffic there.
09:21:50 It's just human nature that people are going to be flying
09:21:53 down that road.
09:21:54 Use Eastern Park as a secondary egress route to get onto
09:21:58 Morris Bridge Road and go down into Tampa.
09:22:01 Once Pasco County starts their development, north of what
09:22:05 would be county line road, because that eventually is
09:22:07 going to be cut through to Morris Bridge Road as well,
09:22:10 there's about a 6,000 home development that is being
09:22:14 proposed in that area, Pasco County just north of
09:22:19 Hillsborough County.
09:22:19 Traffic is going to be horrendous.
09:22:22 Now, we understand that Morris Bridge has no current
09:22:26 plans for an expansion, at least from the 20 year plan
09:22:29 that I have seen.
09:22:30 But it's something that needs to be taken into
09:22:32 consideration.
09:22:33 So again, I would ask that you reroute K-Bar Ranch
09:22:36 Parkway to go north of Eastern Park.
09:22:40 You can still maintain the east-west connector and that
09:22:45 some sort of mitigation be done for those two parcels on
09:22:48 the front of Eastern Park.
09:22:51 Either have access to Morris Bridge Road directly or
09:22:54 incorporate them into our HOA CDD background.
09:22:58 Thank you.
09:23:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
09:23:01 Is there anyone else that would like to address Council
09:23:04 during this public comment opportunity? Before we go to
09:23:10 your rebuttal, is there anything that Councilmembers
09:23:13 would like to ask or say?
09:23:16 Prior to Mr. Steady continuing?
09:23:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No, I think he will be addressing the
09:23:24 main concern, which was rerouting.
09:23:27 We'll see.
09:23:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Montelione?
09:23:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to have before you,
09:23:33 because it might be something else that you want to
09:23:35 comment on during your rebuttal.
09:23:38 Like to have natural resources come to the microphone.
09:23:40 Come to the podium.
09:23:47 >> Good evening, Council.
09:23:48 Kathy Beck, natural resources coordinator with planning
09:23:52 and urban design.
09:23:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
09:23:54 The reason that I asked Miss Beck to address us is
09:23:58 because a lot of what I heard -- not all of what I heard
09:24:02 but a lot of what I heard was concern for the wildlife.
09:24:05 Can you address some of the concerns about the wildlife
09:24:09 corridor, about the, I think one of the, more than one of
09:24:15 the speakers had mentioned easily routing the proposed
09:24:22 roadway around Eastern Park to the north.
09:24:26 And I just want you to talk about some of the impacts of
09:24:34 where it is now and where, if it was proposed and moved,
09:24:39 the impacts of that.
09:24:41 So I want to hear both sides.
09:24:43 >> Okay.
09:24:44 When the K-Bar Ranch was annexed into the City of Tampa
09:24:47 in 2002, we spent a considerable amount of time on the
09:24:52 site negotiating preservation of habitat.
09:24:56 It is in the entire ranch is in maps significant wildlife
09:25:00 habitat.
09:25:01 We spent months looking at areas for preservation, to put
09:25:07 under conservation easements.
09:25:09 I found today a map and I apologize for the condition of
09:25:12 this map.
09:25:13 Can I cover yours?
09:25:16 This map is -- I hope I can get it in here.
09:25:45 >> We spent a considerable amount of time on the site
09:25:50 getting preservation, like I mentioned.
09:25:52 This is the Bassett branch creek corridor.
09:25:57 There is significant wildlife habitat at the southern end
09:26:00 of Eastern Park.
09:26:02 Another significant wildlife habitat in K-Bar Ranch and
09:26:06 the new river corridor right up here.
09:26:09 If you'll notice that in 2003, we found the crossing, we
09:26:16 knew the roadway was going to be coming through the
09:26:19 corridor.
09:26:19 So we found the best spot we could and that was the
09:26:22 narrowest part of the corridor.
09:26:25 Which was right here.
09:26:26 And that's exactly where the roadway's been placed, at
09:26:30 the corridor.
09:26:31 We also got wildlife crossing underneath the corridor
09:26:34 back in 2002 when the annexation occurred.
09:26:37 If we move the roadway or the corridor up north of this
09:26:43 area, we would be taking it through some forested --
09:26:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you move the map so can I see?
09:26:50 >> Some forested parts of the corridor.
09:26:53 Some pretty significant parts of the corridor.
09:26:55 Solely there would be a very large impact to wildlife.
09:26:58 It would also probably take it right through the new
09:27:02 river corridor.
09:27:03 So we would not only have impacts to one wildlife
09:27:06 corridor, but two wildlife corridors and significant
09:27:09 amount of wetland.
09:27:11 And upland that are in maps significant wildlife habitat.
09:27:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So the current position of the
09:27:18 proposed roadway would only impact one wildlife corridor?
09:27:25 The narrowest part of the corridor, yes.
09:27:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And in the development agreement,
09:27:31 there's going to be -- is it going to be an elevated
09:27:34 portion?
09:27:35 >> I can let the engineers talk about that a little bit
09:27:38 more.
09:27:39 But there will be a wildlife crossing underneath the
09:27:43 roadway.
09:27:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And when you said you found the
09:27:45 historical crossing there, there seems to be another
09:27:49 break, so if you follow the creek bed up north and a
09:27:55 little bit west, you see where I'm talking about?
09:27:59 Where it gets narrow again.
09:28:03 Keep going north.
09:28:05 Right there.
09:28:06 What's that?
09:28:08 >> That's part of the corridor.
09:28:09 This whole corridor is more of --
09:28:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But I mean it looks like there's a
09:28:14 break right there.
09:28:14 >> Right.
09:28:15 But to get a road through there, you'd have to take it
09:28:17 through all this.
09:28:18 And there's a lot of wetlands.
09:28:24 We worked a long time to get the best crossing on this
09:28:27 corridor.
09:28:28 And we feel that we have got that through the narrowest
09:28:31 part of the corridor.
09:28:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm looking back at my notes from when
09:28:45 the speakers were talking to see anything else that was
09:28:51 mentioned about wildlife and natural habitat.
09:28:55 But I think you addressed, mostly about the...
09:29:01 >> We have an existing wildlife management plan on this
09:29:04 corridor right now.
09:29:05 So all that would be changed and have to be re-done.
09:29:09 If we changed anything about the corridor, we'd have to
09:29:13 create a new has been talent management plan.
09:29:15 And monitoring scenario.
09:29:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
09:29:19 Thank you.
09:29:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Just a question.
09:29:22 Out of curiosity.
09:29:25 You said there's a wildlife crossing underneath the road?
09:29:29 >> There will be.
09:29:30 >> I'm not sure -- it hasn't been designed.
09:29:33 So I'm not sure exactly where it is.
09:29:35 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm just wondering how much different it
09:29:37 is to have a wildlife crossing than a people crossing.
09:29:40 I mean, what's the --
09:29:46 >> Wildlife crossings, they allow animals and habitat to
09:29:51 move under, through the road without getting run over
09:29:54 basically.
09:29:56 >>HARRY COHEN: In other words, what's the height of that
09:29:58 type of a structure?
09:30:00 >> We have only got one other sample in grand Hampton and
09:30:03 it gust underneath the road.
09:30:05 It's a very large pipe, where they can go in and out.
09:30:10 A big concrete pipe where.
09:30:14 >>HARRY COHEN: It's a pipe?
09:30:15 >> Yes.
09:30:16 >>HARRY COHEN: All right.
09:30:16 Got it.
09:30:17 >> I'm not sure how this one is going to be designed.
09:30:19 It's just been committed to in the plan.
09:30:24 >>HARRY COHEN: Other Councilmembers?
09:30:25 Okay.
09:30:26 Thank you.
09:30:27 >> Thank you.
09:30:33 Just a couple follow-ups.
09:30:35 As Kathy said, I don't think it can be understated that
09:30:40 when this was all designed and thought through, it was
09:30:44 debated for months and months back with Eastern Park.
09:30:47 And I was working on it, Tim Plate was working on it too,
09:30:51 as well as the design and layout of the road itself.
09:30:54 You'd have to run through not just potentially two
09:30:58 wildlife corridors, but significant wetlands.
09:31:01 And I understand people like the animals.
09:31:04 I was out there, it's beautiful.
09:31:06 But the reason the animals are there is because we have
09:31:10 preserved the wildlife corridor.
09:31:12 The reason that we put this here is to preserve the
09:31:17 greatest extent the wildlife corridor, put it through a
09:31:20 historical break in the corridor.
09:31:32 >> Can you see this?
09:31:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If we have somebody in the control
09:31:35 room put up the photograph instead of the map.
09:31:38 >> Right leer is the break.
09:31:39 It's basically was a Jeep route, cattle route.
09:31:46 And then here's -- I don't want to understate the
09:31:49 150 feet wider than the rest of the project, wider than
09:31:54 the rest of the K-Bar project, plus the 30-foot buffer.
09:31:59 And clearly shows the potential for this roadway.
09:32:02 It's not simply a matter of rerouting it.
09:32:09 As far as we're concerned, it's not possible and
09:32:12 accomplish the goals based on what was done back in 2003.
09:32:15 And it's a huge upheaval to all what we're trying to
09:32:19 accomplish with keeping the wetlands, keep the wildlife
09:32:22 corridor.
09:32:23 And just a comment, the Krusen-Douglas family basically
09:32:33 reserved this corridor.
09:32:35 I can't speak for them, but I don't think they're going
09:32:37 to be too excited about the city saying now we're not
09:32:41 going to use something the city required to be reserved.
09:32:44 So we're not talking about something new here.
09:32:46 We're talking about something that was thought through
09:32:48 extensively.
09:32:49 It's on the MPO plan.
09:32:50 It's there.
09:32:51 Couple other things.
09:32:52 The road will be designed for 45.
09:32:55 It will be posted 40.
09:32:59 I'm not suggesting that resolves their concern.
09:33:02 But it's designed 45.
09:33:03 It will be posted for 40.
09:33:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry.
09:33:07 Is that somewhere in the development agreement?
09:33:11 >> No.
09:33:12 That's the city.
09:33:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Melanie?
09:33:18 >> I just wanted to be clear.
09:33:21 When you design roads, you always design at a higher
09:33:24 speed than a posted speed limit.
09:33:26 The FDOT plan specifics, that's how roads are done.
09:33:31 It's very rare cases in which you would ever meet or
09:33:34 exceed a design speed.
09:33:36 We just don't do that.
09:33:38 You have to have very good reason.
09:33:39 Actually, you're at least five to ten miles less than the
09:33:43 actual design speed as posted speed.
09:33:46 So posted speed is always less than the design speed.
09:33:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So when the community was talking
09:33:50 about -- I'm sorry.
09:33:51 So when the folks that were making comments during the
09:34:06 public speaking portion were concerned about 45 miles an
09:34:11 hour, I mean, we all drive in Tampa and know that people
09:34:14 don't drive what the speed limit is.
09:34:17 So, if you're saying that it's being designed for
09:34:22 45 miles an hour.
09:34:25 But that will not be the posted sign, the posted speed
09:34:29 limit?
09:34:30 >> No.
09:34:30 As a two-lane road section, I can tell you that the
09:34:34 posted speed would not be 45 miles per hour.
09:34:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because one of the roads already is
09:34:39 30 miles an hour.
09:34:41 So it's possible that it could be 30 or 35?
09:34:46 >> The only reason why you would reduce it is, there's a
09:34:50 change in the road such as curvature of the road is very
09:34:54 important.
09:34:55 And we slow speeds on that.
09:34:57 The elevation change of a roadway would consider reducing
09:35:01 speeds for those types of things.
09:35:03 Now, the four lane build-out may be 45.
09:35:06 But engineers designing road for drivers to drive the
09:35:14 posted speed limit.
09:35:17 When it is not driven, the posted speed limit, police
09:35:21 should be enforcing those speed limits.
09:35:23 Very important.
09:35:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just wanted to clarify that the
09:35:30 design speed at 45 is not going to be the posted speed
09:35:34 limit?
09:35:35 >> Two-lane road posted --
09:35:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But it's designed higher for safety
09:35:40 reasons, because you want to mitigate, in case people
09:35:44 don't follow the posted speed limit.
09:35:47 >> Correct.
09:35:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The road is designed to compensate for
09:35:50 that speeder traveling through your neighborhood.
09:35:53 >> Yes.
09:35:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
09:35:56 And wait.
09:35:57 There's one more thing.
09:35:58 I'm sorry.
09:35:58 The bus stop.
09:35:59 So a couple of people mentioned the bus stops.
09:36:07 And where they're located now in the traffic circle.
09:36:12 It was actually I think the photograph is still up
09:36:15 underneath Mr. Steady.
09:36:17 There you go.
09:36:21 So the bus stops where it's circled around the traffic
09:36:27 circle.
09:36:28 When the review is done by the school board, is it
09:36:34 possible that those bus stops would be moved because
09:36:36 those children?
09:36:41 >> Actually we were aware this was a concern of the
09:36:43 neighbors.
09:36:44 We had reached out to the school board specifically to
09:36:46 Lorraine Duffy-Suarez as she reviews the rezoning cases
09:36:52 and she's the one that helps to plan.
09:36:54 She stated that they don't move bus stops for current
09:37:00 condition.
09:37:00 But when the road goes in, they will reassess the bus
09:37:03 stops and it is normal for them to reassess bus stops on
09:37:07 a year to year.
09:37:08 But we wanted to make sure that there was coordination,
09:37:11 that they were aware this road was coming in because they
09:37:14 might not be aware.
09:37:15 Design plans have been submitted, construction plans had
09:37:18 been submitted.
09:37:19 So we put a note in the actual agreement stating that
09:37:22 when we get those plans, we'll be forwarding them to the
09:37:26 school district, we're going to be putting this road in,
09:37:29 these construction plans are in, be aware this road is
09:37:32 going in and you may have to assess the school bus stones
09:37:35 and may have to have two of them on each side of the
09:37:37 roadway.
09:37:38 So we did put that in the agreement.
09:37:40 So, we will be coordinating with school board on that.
09:37:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
09:37:45 And maybe in your comments, Mr. Steady, you can address
09:37:49 how, what safety improvements can be put in place because
09:37:56 Tampa metropolitan area which includes St. Petersburg and
09:37:59 other parts of Pinellas County is number two in the
09:38:02 country for pedestrian and bicyclist deaths.
09:38:04 I don't want to see those numbers go up.
09:38:07 >> I understand.
09:38:07 I will point out a couple of things first.
09:38:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Steady, before you go ahead, I have
09:38:12 other Councilmembers that may have questions for
09:38:14 Ms. Calloway.
09:38:17 I don't want you to lose the opportunity to address all
09:38:19 of it at once.
09:38:21 Councilwoman Capin in a question and I have a question as
09:38:24 well.
09:38:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On the K-Bar Ranch Parkway, when it meets
09:38:28 the Pictorial Park Drive, is that going over -- the way
09:38:33 it's drawn.
09:38:34 >> It will be connected.
09:38:35 They will make a connection.
09:38:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Why don't we put a roundabout?
09:38:39 It tends to slow down traffic.
09:38:40 Just like the one that's over there.
09:38:43 >> A roundabout at that location.
09:38:45 >> We can look at it.
09:38:46 I can't guarantee -- we have to look at design.
09:38:50 I'm trying to get a round about in another location.
09:38:53 It's actually in developer agreement where Ms. Flour and
09:38:56 the actual park collector intersect to get a roundabout
09:38:59 there.
09:39:00 But we could have them look at it.
09:39:02 It seems -- I'm not a roundabout expert.
09:39:07 I do know about them.
09:39:08 It may be adequate to put in it there we could look at
09:39:15 it.
09:39:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Look at it.
09:39:19 [ Laughter ]
09:39:19 >> I can't really speak.
09:39:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, I understand.
09:39:27 You know, we all know that roundabouts slow down traffic.
09:39:30 That's all, I looked at it.
09:39:33 Maybe that would be helpful.
09:39:35 That's all I have.
09:39:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Suarez.
09:39:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
09:39:40 Just a couple things.
09:39:41 I'm going to ask Ms. Kert to come up here.
09:39:47 Our first speaker tonight was Ms. Colon who did a
09:39:54 tremendous job and thank you very much for letting us
09:39:56 make a copy of what you had written down.
09:39:59 Very significant and specific request of yourself and
09:40:03 your neighbors and most of the neighbors that came after
09:40:06 you essentially said many, if not all the same things.
09:40:09 Ms. Kert, there were several different things that were
09:40:12 mentioned in her presentation.
09:40:14 I want to go through each one of them with you because I
09:40:16 think that there may be -- I want to find out the legal
09:40:20 issues concerning the development agreement in terms of
09:40:23 any changes when it comes to zoning.
09:40:26 Because I think, and please correct me if I'm wrong, they
09:40:29 kind of go hand in hand in some way.
09:40:32 With each other.
09:40:33 Very different than what we usually do with zoning, which
09:40:35 is, does it follow the plan?
09:40:39 We can agree to it or not agree to it.
09:40:42 Sometimes changes are made as we do.
09:40:44 I'm wondering how does that affect the development
09:40:47 agreement?
09:40:48 Before you answer, want to ask some of the specifics so
09:40:50 you can answer that.
09:40:53 The first one that Ms. Colon had mentioned was about the
09:40:57 parkway being built around Eastern Park instead of
09:40:59 through it.
09:41:00 I think I already know the answer to that.
09:41:02 I think because of the kind of wetlands and wildlife
09:41:08 preservation that is already required, probably required
09:41:11 by the state and probably by the county too.
09:41:14 That there's really no other way to get around.
09:41:18 That's about the only spot they've got in order to build
09:41:20 through it.
09:41:21 I'm not asking you to answer.
09:41:22 I'm just taking it off the table amount of I don't think
09:41:25 that that's possible.
09:41:27 The speed limit issues, that's something that is
09:41:31 engineered through the city, primarily.
09:41:34 And that we can't ask our city transportation department
09:41:39 to engineer it and try to do certain things.
09:41:41 Ms. Capin just mentioned about a roundabout, which is a
09:41:46 great traffic calming device to try and slow down some
09:41:50 traffic.
09:41:50 And, but some of the other things they mentioned in there
09:41:53 was about speed bumps.
09:41:56 Is that something that you can require or we can require
09:41:59 to be put as part of the development agreement or not?
09:42:02 Because there are several other things.
09:42:04 Want to let you answer what rights or what can we do to
09:42:09 try and change the development agreement that matches
09:42:12 some of the concerns of the neighbors?
09:42:15 >> The development agreement principally is a way to
09:42:18 implement what is required to the zoning conditions.
09:42:22 So for example, you're getting a more detailed schedule,
09:42:25 you're getting timelines.
09:42:26 And you are getting securities and bonds.
09:42:30 So it's more of an enforcement mechanism as opposed to
09:42:33 saying okay you did not give us our 58 acres, we're going
09:42:37 to take you to the code enforcement boards.
09:42:39 We now have this in a contract in a more enforceable form
09:42:42 with penalties established in that.
09:42:44 The development agreement does not allow you to place
09:42:48 conditions that you would not otherwise be able to put
09:42:51 into your zoning code.
09:42:55 When you talk about things like the peeled bumps and some
09:42:57 of the traffic calming, as far as the specifics at this
09:43:01 point, those are things that have a different process
09:43:05 through the engineering process.
09:43:07 They're not something do you typically through your
09:43:08 zoning process.
09:43:10 That comes through when it's being engineered.
09:43:12 And goes through the transportation for safety issues,
09:43:16 sometimes speed bumps are a great idea.
09:43:19 Sometimes they slow down your fire safety and your
09:43:22 ambulances and they have different ways of looking at
09:43:25 that.
09:43:25 Technical.
09:43:27 So the technical provisions are not typically things you
09:43:30 would put in your zoning code.
09:43:32 Put in your rezoning or your development.
09:43:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Reason I was asking, it is a document
09:43:38 specific to the way that things get developed, not the
09:43:41 specifics to how things get developed.
09:43:45 That's what the land use code is for.
09:43:47 I wanted you to get to that because I want most of the
09:43:49 audience and anyone else that might be listening, the
09:43:52 development agreement itself is not something well, we're
09:43:55 going to have to put in all thinks R these things in
09:43:58 order to get the development agreement.
09:44:00 That's not the way it works.
09:44:01 In terms of zoning, they have to agree to do certain
09:44:04 things.
09:44:04 We do not tell them they have to do certain things as
09:44:07 long as it's within the general parameters of our
09:44:10 comprehensive plan, correct?
09:44:13 >>REBECCA KERT: That is correct.
09:44:13 And any conditions that are contained either in the
09:44:16 development agreement or in the rezoning under
09:44:19 established case law and state law that went into effect
09:44:22 last year, we as the city are obligated to demonstrate
09:44:25 that there's a Nexus to some sort of effect that's coming
09:44:30 from this and it's proportional to it.
09:44:33 Even if they agree to, there are things we can no longer
09:44:37 ask them to do, even if they're happy to do it if we
09:44:40 can't establish that Nexus.
09:44:41 >> Let me ask you specifically about zoning when it comes
09:44:44 to something, we do not do large developments like this
09:44:47 any more.
09:44:48 You know.
09:44:50 As when we sit here and doing land use decisions, they're
09:44:54 primarily within the traditional part of the city, where
09:44:58 it has been built up for 80, 90, a hundred years.
09:45:01 This is something that's unusual for us and it's
09:45:03 something that we don't do very much.
09:45:05 We have done it a couple times but that's it.
09:45:07 In terms of the zoning, we do not go to the development
09:45:13 agreement to necessarily look at the zoning portion of
09:45:16 it.
09:45:16 It is just that the development agreement goes in tandem
09:45:19 with it in order for them to go forward typically, C
09:45:22 equity?
09:45:24 >>REBECCA KERT: Yes, zoning will establish the
09:45:26 entitlements.
09:45:27 And development agreement is establishing again the
09:45:29 timeframes and the conditions for the things that they're
09:45:31 required to do through the zoning as well as providing
09:45:34 security to the city that it's going to get done.
09:45:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As an example, some of the other requests
09:45:39 almost all of the requests that I've seen are not
09:45:41 necessarily zoning specific that we would necessarily
09:45:48 talk to a developer or an applicant about.
09:45:51 It is typically things that we maybe able to do in
09:45:54 conjunction with the community development district in
09:45:58 order to help pay for things.
09:46:00 So as an example, speed bumps that are asked for by the
09:46:04 neighborhood, we may want to talk to the community
09:46:07 development district as to, or they could too, to say
09:46:10 this is what we want along that road and as long as it's
09:46:13 approved by the city, it can be done.
09:46:16 Is that correct?
09:46:18 >>REBECCA KERT: Potentially, yes.
09:46:19 And the city has separate programs, but they're outside
09:46:23 the rezoning of the property.
09:46:24 It's a different process.
09:46:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's my point.
09:46:27 This is not the process in which we ask for speed bumps
09:46:30 be put on to a road typically.
09:46:33 And then the landscaping portion, this is something that
09:46:38 we talk about sometimes in terms of zoning.
09:46:40 I think that may be the one thing that, you know, my mind
09:46:45 is a little bit of a grayer area.
09:46:47 I'm not really sure because we don't usually, we don't
09:46:52 usually zone for larger roads.
09:46:55 Typically the roads already there.
09:46:57 We're not talking about the construction of roads
09:46:59 primarily.
09:47:01 Is that something that, if let's say the applicant wanted
09:47:06 to change their plan, they could in order to accommodate
09:47:08 some of these requests?
09:47:10 >>REBECCA KERT: Let me say first typically you do deal
09:47:12 with landscaping issues in your zoning cases.
09:47:15 As you know, I think we had a discussion about that
09:47:17 earlier.
09:47:18 Typically what you're looking for, do they meet code or
09:47:21 do they need waivers?
09:47:22 Not necessarily that something would look better or
09:47:25 nicer.
09:47:27 So, if there is going to be a change in the landscaping,
09:47:30 there is going --
09:47:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.
09:47:34 But the landscaping specifically they're asking about is
09:47:37 kind of a noise reduction type of thing.
09:47:41 Maybe restraining walls, things like that.
09:47:44 So, I mean we talk about that all the time in relation to
09:47:47 other nation but not in relation to the building of a
09:47:50 road, if you understand what I'm saying.
09:47:52 It's a little bit different because that's something FDOT
09:47:55 typically dollies as opposed to us.
09:47:58 We typically don't dough Z do that.
09:48:00 So is that something that can fall within our parameters?
09:48:02 I don't know the answer.
09:48:03 That's why I'm asking you.
09:48:05 >>REBECCA KERT: Well, typically for landscaping and
09:48:07 there's other things you're going to look to your code
09:48:10 requirements.
09:48:11 And what they are.
09:48:12 But as far as if there's a need for additional buffering,
09:48:16 that's something you could certainly talk to the
09:48:18 applicant about and I think the applicant has described
09:48:20 how they had planned to buffer and provide for that.
09:48:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And the last question which was the last
09:48:26 part of what they had asked for, I think I already know
09:48:29 the answer.
09:48:29 I think you've already answered it, which is sign in law
09:48:35 enforcement without any cost to the CDD or residents
09:48:39 themselves specifically at Morris Bridge and Pictorial
09:48:42 Park during specific hours.
09:48:46 I think that that is something that we could look at in
09:48:49 terms of our other positions, in terms of directing law
09:48:52 enforcement or asking them to look at that as potentially
09:48:55 dangerous spot or something that might need additional
09:48:58 coverage.
09:48:59 In terms of the cost of that, that's a whole other issue.
09:49:02 Not something that we would necessarily do as part of our
09:49:05 land use decision.
09:49:07 >>REBECCA KERT: What you said is completely correct.
09:49:09 It would be an inappropriate --
09:49:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm filming this, so whenever my wife has
09:49:13 an argument with me, I'm going to make sure there is at
09:49:17 least one woman who thinks I'm completely correct.
09:49:20 [ Laughter ]
09:49:21 >>REBECCA KERT: You are completely correct on that.
09:49:23 It would not be appropriate to utilize a zoning condition
09:49:26 to direct law enforcement.
09:49:28 However, certainly at some point in the future, after
09:49:32 this case, if it's approved or not approved, you can
09:49:35 certainly ask law enforcement to review a dangerous
09:49:38 intersection and look at options.
09:49:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:49:41 Mr. Steady, if I could -- thank you Ms. Kert, I
09:49:45 appreciate it.
09:49:46 The one portion of that discussion that we had that deals
09:49:52 with our land use decisions, which was of course
09:49:56 proximity of noise in terms of the particular road that's
09:49:59 going through what are you looking at as a developer to
09:50:07 try and mitigate noise along that roadway that will be
09:50:11 cutting through Eastern Park?
09:50:15 >> Well, I would say it went back to which we determined
09:50:20 fairly recently, along with Melanie, that in fact it was
09:50:24 envisioned and that whole 30-foot buffer is there now and
09:50:29 a lot of it's naturally growth.
09:50:33 And then, then we offered, because turns out there was
09:50:39 150 that we're going to go 20 even further.
09:50:42 The distance between the backyard of Eastern Park to the
09:50:49 curb could be -- only reason I'm not going to say -- I'm
09:50:53 going to say 50.
09:50:54 Could be 70 feet.
09:50:56 Solely the distance alone will be further than most
09:51:00 subdivisions and streets in the City of Tampa.
09:51:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I wanted to ask the question.
09:51:07 So specifically it is the distance that would help --
09:51:12 >> Natural growth there now.
09:51:14 >> As opposed to doing any particular design or any other
09:51:17 structure in order to minimize the noise.
09:51:19 That's what you're saying?
09:51:21 >> Yes.
09:51:21 With one larger comment I'd like to make.
09:51:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just, I want to get that --
09:51:28 >> The reason I want to say that because, I want to point
09:51:30 out something that, this is not in our zone.
09:51:34 This is essentially an off site improvement.
09:51:37 We haven't, we really didn't want, didn't really want to
09:51:41 get into it because we have been working closely with the
09:51:45 city.
09:51:45 This is off site improvement.
09:51:47 Yes, the parkway is needed for this development.
09:51:50 But this is a city integrated road system that's on the
09:51:56 MPO.
09:51:56 We're building and designing the city's roads here.
09:52:00 So, you know, we're involved then, we're involved now.
09:52:05 I'm not going to just point to Melanie and say it.
09:52:08 But my point is, this road is an off site improvement.
09:52:13 We're building it because it's there because the city
09:52:15 wanted it to be there.
09:52:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It is not a question specifically about
09:52:20 what your doing or not doing.
09:52:22 It is that that, that's the way that you are going to
09:52:26 mitigate it, based on the design by the city.
09:52:30 >> That was my bigger point.
09:52:32 Not to you specifically.
09:52:33 So I wasn't -- that was going to be my final point.
09:52:37 Well, final.
09:52:39 Always one more, right?
09:52:40 But that -- then I was going to come back to that we're
09:52:44 designing this road based on the city's requirements.
09:52:48 So, you know, I mean, I appreciate everyone's comment
09:52:54 here.
09:52:54 But this is there.
09:52:56 It's on the MPO.
09:52:57 It turns out to be wider than we expected, which is a
09:53:00 great.
09:53:00 It turns out that it was designed with a 30-foot buffer,
09:53:04 which was great.
09:53:05 It's more than what's typically there.
09:53:06 It was there because of the desire to preserve the
09:53:11 wildlife, preserve the wetlands.
09:53:14 That's why it's there.
09:53:15 And we're building it, we are designing it and building
09:53:21 it with the city because it's going to be part of the
09:53:24 city's system.
09:53:25 It's not -- it's kind of eternal road to ours.
09:53:34 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilwoman Capin?
09:53:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's exactly why I asked the city to
09:53:38 look at a roundabout.
09:53:39 Because it is a city designed road.
09:53:42 And I get it, that going around is really a very poor
09:53:48 option.
09:53:49 If at all.
09:53:50 It's just not -- and that we understood from the
09:53:53 beginning.
09:53:54 So yes, it is a city designed road.
09:53:57 Therefore, that's one of the reasons that I brought that
09:54:00 up.
09:54:00 I know that it is not your design or your desire to put
09:54:09 this road in this place.
09:54:11 It was the city that required it.
09:54:13 The city also required tunnels to go under the road.
09:54:17 We require a lot of specifics that they said we don't
09:54:20 have here.
09:54:21 And we do have specifics here.
09:54:23 There are specifics in here.
09:54:29 And this, you know, to say that you can't get into
09:54:32 specifics.
09:54:33 You have to look at the, again the neighborhood and
09:54:39 mitigating as much as you can the protection and the
09:54:46 quality of life that happens here.
09:54:50 Therefore, I just wanted to make that clear, that I
09:54:54 understand that the city designed road and therefore
09:54:57 that's why I brought that up.
09:54:58 Thank you.
09:55:01 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Miranda?
09:55:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I want to ask the legal department of
09:55:04 the city.
09:55:05 Back in 2002 when you mentioned the annexation, and then
09:55:13 annexation agreement we had accepted how it was.
09:55:17 The roads, some of the roads were already designed by the
09:55:20 county, if I recall.
09:55:24 And the city could not change those designs.
09:55:27 Is my memory correct to some degree?
09:55:30 >> I'm going to.
09:55:31 >> To ask Ms. Calloway.
09:55:33 Ride the 2002 agreement.
09:55:35 She's nodding yes.
09:55:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: We didn't own the land.
09:55:37 Whoever bought it owned it and they developed it.
09:55:41 We couldn't tell them we want to put road A through here,
09:55:44 because we didn't own those properties.
09:55:46 We owned, we had accepted how it was and then it was up
09:55:51 to whoever owned it to design it.
09:55:54 And I think there's where the complication comes with the
09:55:56 roads and who laid the road and who did this and who
09:55:59 didn't do that.
09:56:00 I'm not saying the city is not at fault at something but
09:56:04 the city is certainly not responsible for the acts,
09:56:06 somebody else did the act.
09:56:08 Melanie?
09:56:10 Somebody got to answer this.
09:56:11 [Inaudible]
09:56:15 [ Laughter ]
09:56:16 >> When the original annexation agreement came through,
09:56:23 it was proposed that there would be an east-west road.
09:56:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A what?
09:56:30 >> I think it's quite funny because transportation likes
09:56:33 to call everything east-west.
09:56:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: North-south, east-west.
09:56:38 >> Well, in this instance they, it was proposed there
09:56:42 would be an east-west road.
09:56:43 This road would connect from Morris bridge road over to
09:56:47 Kinnan.
09:56:47 It was planned to be there in the annexation agreement.
09:56:51 At the time they didn't know exactly what it was.
09:56:54 So what happened when the rezonings came in, you're
09:56:57 right.
09:56:57 Like when the rezonings came in, we started reserving
09:57:01 corridors.
09:57:01 We started reserving proposed areas, conceptual plans.
09:57:06 That's why the one I showed you when we did rezoning in
09:57:11 2005, we started reserving the corridor.
09:57:16 Then through platting, when we came in for platting
09:57:21 Eastern Park, we started reserving the corridor to be the
09:57:25 road.
09:57:28 For the road.
09:57:28 Morris Bridge road is a county road.
09:57:33 It's a county road.
09:57:34 We don't have jurisdiction over it.
09:57:36 We could put turn lanes.
09:57:38 That's what we're put putting, they're going to require
09:57:41 to put in turn lanes when they put in the connection.
09:57:44 I don't know if I answered your question.
09:57:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm understanding what you're saying.
09:57:51 >> I was unaware that there was an issue with the getting
09:57:56 out of Pictorial Park Drive at Morris Bridge.
09:57:59 I haven't looked into it but I will look into it when I
09:58:02 go back to ply office tomorrow to find out when was the
09:58:04 last time we have looked at it for a signal location.
09:58:07 Maybe it's warranted at this point to put a signal at
09:58:10 that location, would help them get out more.
09:58:12 So I can talk to our traffic control section and see when
09:58:17 the last time it's been done.
09:58:18 Maybe they can take a look at it.
09:58:21 As you know there's a huge upgrade in signals in the
09:58:24 city.
09:58:25 We're goes to the new ITS to the throughout the city.
09:58:29 I don't know if they have money left to do that location
09:58:32 when it comes.
09:58:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In going furthermore, know this is not
09:58:36 directly affecting this rezoning request.
09:58:39 But the three counties, Pasco, Pinellas and Hillsborough,
09:58:44 Pinellas is just about all built out.
09:58:46 Pasco certainly is going to build.
09:58:49 And Hillsborough from what calculations I've studied on
09:58:52 water demand for the next 25 years, is set to get about
09:58:56 400,000 new residents.
09:58:58 In the next 25 years.
09:59:00 So this is the beginning of some today, coming to
09:59:04 downtown and the expressway, there's a lane that was
09:59:07 built from Armenia directly to downtown, the right-hand
09:59:11 lane.
09:59:12 Then there's four other lanes.
09:59:14 They were all jam packed.
09:59:15 Every one of them.
09:59:17 And it was just opened just two months ago or something.
09:59:20 So what I'm saying is, it went from a two-lane road an I
09:59:24 remember historically the newspaper wrote they built
09:59:27 something going nowhere where no one's using.
09:59:30 Well, somebody made a mistake sometime back, because
09:59:33 instead of building a two-lane road, they should've built
09:59:36 a four- or five-lane road that nobody was using thinking
09:59:39 20 years down the road.
09:59:41 But they don't do that.
09:59:42 Because projection of gas taxes and money spent, some law
09:59:46 says you can't do projections.
09:59:48 You got to build on reality on traffic counts.
09:59:51 So you spend five times more doing what you should've
09:59:53 done 10 years earlier at the expense of all of us.
09:59:57 And I understand, I live in a neighborhood just like all
10:00:01 the good people that are here this evening.
10:00:04 And the wildlife corridor certainly was a concern myself
10:00:07 and other Councilmembers here.
10:00:09 And then I heard the young lady from the group of the
10:00:13 city that does the environmental study speak.
10:00:16 It would hurt two other wildlife areas instead of one.
10:00:21 And I'm concerned about the bus stop and then the school
10:00:30 system is thinking the same way that the department of
10:00:32 transportation.
10:00:34 Can't do it until I see it.
10:00:36 Well, you better open your eyes because it's there.
10:00:40 All of us are there all of us are in the same boat.
10:00:43 Traffic is becoming a nightmare.
10:00:45 The gentleman spoke about going to work somewhere in New
10:00:49 York for two and a half hours one way.
10:00:51 And it's just getting hard.
10:00:55 My own family tells me this in south Tampa.
10:00:58 I tell them what do you want me to do, build a fence
10:01:01 around Florida?
10:01:02 I can't.
10:01:02 But a lot of us think traffic comes from somewhere else.
10:01:07 Traffic really comes from our own families.
10:01:09 When you look around and they're mostly young people
10:01:13 here.
10:01:13 By the time you get my age, your family is going to have
10:01:16 six cars in the driveway, not one.
10:01:18 Because your kids are all going to be of driving age and
10:01:21 they are going to have a car and all going to want to go
10:01:24 somewhere and they want to open and see everything around
10:01:26 them.
10:01:27 So it's things that we do and we overpopulate because
10:01:31 that's nature.
10:01:32 And it happens that way.
10:01:34 I don't know what the answer is.
10:01:38 I wish I had an answer.
10:01:39 But until things get real, really bald we're not going to
10:01:47 have transportation system.
10:01:49 Even then we have a fantasy with keys.
10:01:52 Because that's freedom.
10:01:54 You can get in your car any time you want.
10:01:56 We want things now and I understand this neighborhood's
10:01:59 plea and understanding and we're caught somewhere in the
10:02:03 middle here.
10:02:04 I'd certainly like to help the neighborhood get what they
10:02:08 need.
10:02:09 But this development is going to go through with or
10:02:12 without my vote.
10:02:13 Zoo along the line this is going to happen because it was
10:02:16 planned that way when we had the annexation project way
10:02:19 back 15 years ago.
10:02:21 Or 13 years ago, whenever it was.
10:02:24 And it's a hard thing to do.
10:02:28 And we're right, we're not used to being big development
10:02:31 because we in the city ritual everything is compact,
10:02:35 biggest part of the City of Tampa a three or four
10:02:38 acreage.
10:02:38 Three or four acres, there's a driveway because he's
10:02:41 talking about 30 or 40 acres in one spot and 50 in
10:02:44 another, a hundred in another.
10:02:46 And it becomes a nice park of 58 acres or 54 or whatever
10:02:50 it was.
10:02:51 All these things are paramount in living together.
10:02:54 And you have -- in essence three entities.
10:02:57 Morris Bridge Road belongs to the county.
10:02:59 To the north of, meadow point Boulevard, you got Pasco
10:03:06 County.
10:03:07 And they're not standing still.
10:03:10 Those developments, five, 6,000 homes are going to go
10:03:13 right through there and there's already a pressure on
10:03:16 quality of life issues.
10:03:18 But it's very hard to tell people you can't come in when
10:03:22 I'm already here.
10:03:23 And I'm talking about my neighborhood where I live.
10:03:26 Your neighborhood where you live and where all of us
10:03:28 live.
10:03:29 The thing is how do we make it so we can all live
10:03:32 together?
10:03:32 And those are the difficult parts that we have to come to
10:03:36 when we do development.
10:03:37 Certainly we have addressed some of the issues of
10:03:39 wildlife crossing by having underground tunnels.
10:03:43 I am not thoroughly convinced on the crossing at,
10:03:49 question it becomes a roadway and, from the 200 some
10:03:54 homes to the northeast, I guess, of the development that
10:03:58 are part of Eastern Park.
10:04:01 They got to go to that bus stop down the road a little
10:04:04 bit.
10:04:06 How do they cross that road?
10:04:08 That hasn't been explained yet.
10:04:11 Is the traffic signalization?
10:04:12 Is it a tunnel?
10:04:14 I don't know.
10:04:15 Hasn't been talked about.
10:04:16 And those are things I haven't heard a solution too.
10:04:18 I've heard a lot of things, but I haven't heard of
10:04:22 whether there's going to be a bus stop on the other side
10:04:25 of that road or should be one, I believe.
10:04:27 To mitigate the problem of kids getting hurt and possibly
10:04:31 losing their lives.
10:04:32 And these are things that are very much concerning to
10:04:35 myself and Councilmembers here, I'm sure.
10:04:37 So if anybody has an answer to that I'd appreciate
10:04:40 hearing it.
10:04:41 >> We did address in the developer agreement about the
10:04:47 crossing there at, when Pictorial Park Drive will be
10:04:52 intersecting with K-Bar Ranch Parkway, for a pedestrian
10:04:57 plan.
10:04:57 But the suggestion actually having a roundabout there
10:05:01 actually solves two problems.
10:05:03 It makes it safer.
10:05:05 We like roundabouts.
10:05:07 Makes it safer for the vehicles and on both legs as well
10:05:11 as it allows for safe access for pedestrians.
10:05:15 That also is a signal location if warranted.
10:05:19 As you know, we have to go through the warrant process.
10:05:22 So in developer agreement we do have caveats to be
10:05:26 able -- there's a different array of pedestrian things.
10:05:31 We good dough hawks, which activating by the person cross
10:05:36 the street.
10:05:37 We could put in a roundabout.
10:05:38 There's a lot of different options.
10:05:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Excuse me, take one more minute.
10:05:42 We talked about the C, D, whatever they were, A, B and C,
10:05:48 from A to Z I guess.
10:05:50 And they can't do much until, if they get a development
10:05:53 right for 260 homes and they get that road, they got to
10:05:57 build it before that's given the permit.
10:06:00 >> Correct.
10:06:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: But those are designed for four lane
10:06:04 roads, am I correct?
10:06:06 >> It's designed for four.
10:06:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Only built two.
10:06:09 My question to you, who is going to pay for the other
10:06:11 two?
10:06:12 >> Well, city could pay for it.
10:06:16 I mean, Cross Creek was originally built because we
10:06:19 cannot require the developer, as you have said, we cannot
10:06:24 require the developer to do more than they're required to
10:06:25 do by law.
10:06:26 When they do their traffic analysis, the legislature
10:06:30 years ago decided that it was a good idea to take
10:06:34 concurrency off the table and they no longer have to
10:06:38 consider current backup, current backlog, current any
10:06:42 deficiencies out there.
10:06:43 They do not have to take these into account.
10:06:46 By state law.
10:06:47 The governor and the legislature thought that was a good
10:06:49 idea.
10:06:49 We are bound by law.
10:06:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And they're running for president now.
10:06:53 [ Laughter ]
10:06:54 >> So we are bound by law to be able to do a traffic
10:06:58 analysis and not take these deficiencies into account.
10:07:03 The developer is putting in a road that is required for
10:07:06 him to, it's going to be --
10:07:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: His or hers obligation.
10:07:13 >> He is providing units.
10:07:14 This road is needed to provide capacity to allow those
10:07:18 people to traverse along that roadway.
10:07:20 And G is the last segment.
10:07:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: What I'm trying to get at, I don't
10:07:26 want this neighborhood or any neighborhood to leave here
10:07:29 with a broken promise.
10:07:30 In other words, it's designed for four.
10:07:33 They're going to build two and they have to.
10:07:35 But the other is up in the air as who is going to pay for
10:07:39 it.
10:07:39 >> You're correct.
10:07:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I don't want this neighborhood to
10:07:42 leave here saying you know what, they're going to do it.
10:07:45 Who is "they"?
10:07:50 >> It could be a developer, it could be.
10:07:53 >> Is it the city?
10:07:54 I don't think it's going to be the developer.
10:07:56 They're doing what they have to do by contract.
10:07:58 >> I'm not saying this developer.
10:08:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
10:08:00 But what I'm saying, I don't want this neighborhood to
10:08:03 say well Miranda and the rest of those city
10:08:05 councilmembers, they did great.
10:08:06 And I'm dead and gone and they say that guy wasn't worth
10:08:10 five cents.
10:08:10 He said he was going to do this and he didn't do it.
10:08:14 Just like to do things accordingly.
10:08:16 And like all the rest of us.
10:08:18 But that answers my question in a way because no one's
10:08:23 going to pay for the other two lanes unless we pay for
10:08:25 it.
10:08:26 That's what you're saying.
10:08:27 >> Possible.
10:08:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, it's possible, it's true.
10:08:30 Thank you.
10:08:34 >>HARRY COHEN: If you don't mind standing there for one
10:08:36 second, I have a question for you.
10:08:38 That is sort of related to some of the lines of argument
10:08:42 that the other Councilmembers have been asking about.
10:08:45 And that has to do with the speed limit.
10:08:47 I have to tell you in all the years of sitting up here, I
10:08:51 have never actually heard a request from a neighborhood
10:08:55 to reduce the speed limit on a street that hasn't been
10:08:59 built yet.
10:09:00 So we have never really dealt with that issue before.
10:09:03 I know a lot of neighborhoods ask for reductions in speed
10:09:06 limits that exist now and it's very difficult to get that
10:09:10 accomplished.
10:09:12 Tell us what is the process that you go through in
10:09:15 determining what the speed limit should be and why isn't
10:09:20 it something that's part of this discussion, you know,
10:09:23 what the parameters are, of what would be an acceptable
10:09:27 rate of speed on these types of roads?
10:09:29 >> Well, when you design the road, there's a lot of
10:09:32 things to take into consideration.
10:09:34 The curvature of the road.
10:09:36 If you have upcoming curve.
10:09:37 The elevation changes of a roadway.
10:09:40 When you design the road, you actually have a clear
10:09:43 survey on what is going on out there.
10:09:45 To figure out what we should design the road at.
10:09:49 It is normally collector road can be from 30 to 40 miles
10:09:56 an hour.
10:09:57 Curving tour and elevation differ.
10:10:04 To decide what is the best speed limit for that.
10:10:07 >>HARRY COHEN: It sounds to me like when this development
10:10:09 was originally planned, there weren't kids riding their
10:10:15 bikes across this road that's going to be put in.
10:10:17 So, how do you assess that now?
10:10:24 And make sure that the speed limit that you assign to
10:10:27 this road takes that into account?
10:10:29 >> The design speed of a road has to do with the physical
10:10:33 characteristics out there.
10:10:35 It was always planned.
10:10:36 Always when I read that note from 2003 when Eastern Park
10:10:40 came in, it was very clear that they were going to
10:10:45 connect to this roadway.
10:10:47 That they would have connection to this roadway.
10:10:49 That when it was platted, it shows two sides of the road
10:10:54 being split by a neighborhood.
10:10:56 This is not -- I just have to let you know that this is
10:10:59 not an unusual thing that occurs in subdivisions.
10:11:03 There are lots of subdivisions existing out there.
10:11:06 The current one live in is that way.
10:11:08 And we have more homes on the northside than on the south
10:11:12 side that have to cross, exactly what they're speaking
10:11:15 of.
10:11:16 It's designed as a floor.
10:11:18 Built as a two.
10:11:20 There's a community on the south size, residents on the
10:11:23 northside.
10:11:24 This occurs in a lot of areas.
10:11:26 So it's not a new concept.
10:11:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Ladies and gentlemen, let us ask our
10:11:33 questions and let Miss Calloway answer them.
10:11:37 I guess where I'm going though is that, you know, you
10:11:41 have to take into account what's actually happening on
10:11:44 the street when you make these decisions.
10:11:47 So I guess what I'm asking is, how will you make the
10:11:49 decision regarding what the speed limit will ultimately
10:11:52 be?
10:11:54 Or is that something that is not going to be able to be
10:11:56 effected by any of the realities on the ground?
10:12:01 >> The reality is you have a street existing and it's
10:12:03 going to be intersecting another street.
10:12:06 We look at that and how you design an intersection.
10:12:10 Tampa residential traffic, because we assume all roads
10:12:13 have pedestrians on it, have bicyclists on it.
10:12:16 Every multimodal is all, that's how a roadway is
10:12:20 designed.
10:12:21 This roadway will have a multimodal path on one side.
10:12:24 Sidewalk on the other side.
10:12:25 I know that because we between O and Q parcels currently
10:12:30 built in the city, they already have that there.
10:12:33 Eight foot wide path on the north side.
10:12:38 This would be continued all the way through.
10:12:41 It's hard for me to answer that question, it's going to
10:12:43 be exactly 40 miles an hour.
10:12:46 >>HARRY COHEN: I guess what I'm asking you, and
10:12:48 Councilman Miranda has indicated he wants to ask you a
10:12:51 question.
10:12:51 What I'm asking is not what it will be.
10:12:54 What I'm asking is how will you make the decision?
10:12:57 Are you going to be able to take some of these factors
10:13:00 into account when you decide what number should be
10:13:03 assigned to it?
10:13:04 Do you have any discretion as to what the number will be?
10:13:10 >> I can tell you that it's not just me.
10:13:12 There is a group of us and the design engineering in
10:13:16 transportation will look at it for certain things.
10:13:20 I will look at it for planning purposes.
10:13:22 And account what is around.
10:13:24 We'll look at it through the subdivision process so other
10:13:28 people also look at it.
10:13:29 For landscaping, meeting code, all those things.
10:13:33 So there's things that can be taken into account.
10:13:36 Cone can you take into account.
10:13:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Can you take into account the public
10:13:43 concerns, about danger of traffic and pedestrians and
10:13:46 dangers to children?
10:13:47 >> Yes, I can.
10:13:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Miranda?
10:13:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to make one observation.
10:13:53 If you go down Dale Mabry north and get to Fletcher,
10:13:56 Fletcher ends at Dale Mabry.
10:13:57 When you look to the west of it, it changes like
10:14:00 everything else in this area, to south village drive.
10:14:04 And that to me is what this is going to look like because
10:14:08 south village drive is a two lane on both sides.
10:14:11 It's a four-lane road heading west through Northdale
10:14:15 area.
10:14:16 That north -- is the Carrollwood area, the new
10:14:19 Carrollwood area.
10:14:20 And it reminds me of what I envisioned this to be.
10:14:23 Now may be mistaken, but that's the only one I can think
10:14:26 of right now not going all the way north where there's
10:14:28 others like this that I've driven on.
10:14:31 But this to me is what I think, if this is the case and
10:14:34 it's built in that format, I think the trouble that I've
10:14:41 heard are lessened in my mind to some degree.
10:14:43 Because although there's a lot of traffic there that
10:14:46 comes through and it is at 35 or 40 miles an hour, it's
10:14:50 wide enough and ample enough and there's houses right
10:14:54 adjacent to that roadway and I don't think they get any
10:14:59 more than what this good neighborhood would get.
10:15:04 >> I just wanted to be clear that this roadway is built
10:15:10 as a collector roadway.
10:15:12 As a roadway that is classified.
10:15:15 That is classified to the point of that was the point of
10:15:18 the road, is to have traffic move through it.
10:15:24 We don't have anybody's personal driveway off of that
10:15:27 road.
10:15:27 That was for a reason.
10:15:28 We did not want that.
10:15:30 That should be internal to their subdivision.
10:15:34 Pictorial Park Drive is not that.
10:15:36 Pictorial Park Drive is a residential street.
10:15:39 It is not a classified street.
10:15:40 So just wanted to be clear the design of the road.
10:15:43 >>HARRY COHEN: I think the point is though that because
10:15:45 it's a collector road, the fear that the traffic will be
10:15:48 moving fast is a real one.
10:15:50 And should be taken into account when the decision is
10:15:54 made about where to set the speed limit.
10:15:56 Is there any other questions from Councilmembers at this
10:15:59 point before we go to Mr. Steady's final comments and
10:16:03 rebuttal?
10:16:05 All right.
10:16:05 Thank you.
10:16:06 Councilwoman Montelione?
10:16:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When you just said that Pictorial
10:16:10 Park -- back to the microphone, Melanie.
10:16:15 You just said that Pictorial Park Drive is not a
10:16:23 classified road?
10:16:24 >> I don't believe so.
10:16:25 I'm almost Poe it is not.
10:16:28 According to plat, it is not.
10:16:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But the proposed roadway will be?
10:16:34 >> Yes.
10:16:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And when you say it's a classified
10:16:37 road, that means that there are certain Department of
10:16:42 Transportation technical manual.
10:16:46 >> Yes.
10:16:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Procedures that have to be followed
10:16:51 that would apply to that road.
10:16:53 >> That's correct.
10:16:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it's not something that, I mean,
10:16:57 she can take things into account but there are
10:16:59 guidelines.
10:17:00 >> And as you know --
10:17:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: They're Department of Transportation
10:17:04 guidelines, not our guidelines.
10:17:07 >> 40th Street, that's a collector road.
10:17:09 That road is classified.
10:17:10 It has roundabouts on it.
10:17:11 We do it all the time.
10:17:13 We could do those things.
10:17:14 Those things help to slow traffic, but also gets the
10:17:17 volume through.
10:17:19 So roundabouts are safer, yes.
10:17:22 As you know, there are things that you can do.
10:17:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And when you said that Morris Bridge
10:17:26 Road is a county road, so it wouldn't be TPD out there
10:17:33 directing traffic.
10:17:34 It would be Hillsborough County sheriff's office?
10:17:37 Because it's their road.
10:17:39 >>HARRY COHEN: No, it's -- no, it's where it is.
10:17:43 In the city or not.
10:17:45 >> Yes.
10:17:46 It is in the city.
10:17:47 But it is maintained by the county.
10:17:49 But -- if they're having trouble getting out, that could
10:17:55 be addressed.
10:17:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If you're driving on the city road,
10:17:59 Hillsborough County sheriff's office can still pull you
10:18:01 out and give you a ticket.
10:18:04 >>HARRY COHEN: No, they can't.
10:18:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, they can.
10:18:07 You're break the laws, you're braking the laws.
10:18:11 >>HARRY COHEN: That's a whole other discussion.
10:18:13 Let's go ahead to the rebuttal.
10:18:15 We'll fight about this later.
10:18:17 >> Mr. Chairman, other than if you have questions, I
10:18:27 think we have talked about it enough.
10:18:30 I have nothing else to offer unless you have a question
10:18:32 for me.
10:18:33 >>HARRY COHEN: Any additional questions from
10:18:35 Councilmembers for the applicant?
10:18:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I mean it was something that we talked
10:18:40 about that would require commitments from the developer.
10:18:46 For instance, the roundabout that we talked about that
10:18:50 Ms. Capin came up with, that was I think a brilliant idea
10:18:54 because it does slow down traffic.
10:19:00 Think about speed bumps.
10:19:02 I just want to end about the speed bumps.
10:19:04 The fire department hates speed bumps.
10:19:06 Because, and I've been on fire calls in that same
10:19:12 neighborhood, when I was up there visiting station 22.
10:19:18 And to go over the speed bumps, the fire trucks have to
10:19:24 come to a complete stop, go over the speed bump and then
10:19:28 pick up again.
10:19:29 So, I would say for tour own safety as residents, that
10:19:34 live in the subdivision, you don't want speed bumps
10:19:37 because it will slow down the fire trucks getting to you.
10:19:40 You can't speed.
10:19:42 Everyone -- our charge here as Councilmembers is to keep
10:19:47 our citizens safe and to provide a place that everybody
10:19:52 wants to, the phrase, liver, work and play.
10:19:56 And that's what we're charged with.
10:19:58 Other wise, we wouldn't be sitting here.
10:20:01 >> Councilwoman, I should probably just say sure.
10:20:05 But like Councilman Miranda, I always like when somebody
10:20:08 looks back at the tape that whatever I say happens.
10:20:12 And I'm going to say that I think your staff is just
10:20:18 trying to be correct.
10:20:19 I mean, we are going to build the collector off site.
10:20:25 We'll work with the city, but at the same time the
10:20:29 development agreement, we want a sense now because by the
10:20:33 way, we went -- there's all sorts of issues we negotiated
10:20:37 that we weren't exactly thrilled about and the cost has
10:20:39 gone high.
10:20:40 So, I'm not trying to caveat it.
10:20:43 I'm more concerned that everyone is going down this road
10:20:46 and it's not going to be a roundabout there because it's
10:20:48 not going to make any sense.
10:20:50 Not because we don't want to put it there.
10:20:52 I do know, I was talking to Angelo, our traffic person,
10:20:55 is that you can definitely beef up the pedestrian
10:20:58 crossings and have those lights and everything and all
10:21:02 those kinds of things.
10:21:04 And those are pretty effective.
10:21:06 So I will say that we will working with the city staff to
10:21:09 do what's reasonable, but it's not like I -- we are going
10:21:17 to probably build G, I don't know, five, six years from
10:21:21 now and design it later.
10:21:23 So, Melanie, I'm trying not to put Melanie on the pot too
10:21:27 here everybody.
10:21:28 Or misrepresent it to this neighborhood.
10:21:30 I don't like to do that so we'll work with the city to
10:21:33 try to come up with a -- we're already committed to do a
10:21:38 pedestrian plan and that could mean the additional lights
10:21:41 and the blinkers and all those kinds of things in the
10:21:45 urban environment.
10:21:46 When you cross Dale Mabry, it's there.
10:21:49 So, I'm going around and around Councilwoman because I'm
10:21:52 having a hard time saying sure, we'll put in a roundabout
10:21:55 because it's not our road.
10:21:56 We're going to work with the city and as long as it's
10:21:58 reasonable, we'll do the best we can.
10:22:00 But I don't like the answer so much frankly.
10:22:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I didn't hear anybody requiring a
10:22:06 roundabout.
10:22:07 What I did say was to look at it.
10:22:09 And that's what the traffic engineer agreed to.
10:22:14 We can look at it.
10:22:16 It could be not feasible.
10:22:18 Nobody is saying that this is a requirement.
10:22:20 This is maybe an option.
10:22:23 >> Councilwoman, I want to make clear that we are going
10:22:25 to cooperate to do what we need to do there.
10:22:28 That's a commitment.
10:22:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's all we can do.
10:22:31 Thank you.
10:22:33 >>HARRY COHEN: So is that all?
10:22:35 >> Unless you want to hear more.
10:22:37 [ Laughter ]
10:22:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Let me ask the Councilmembers if anyone
10:22:40 has anything additional.
10:22:42 Mary?
10:22:46 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Just to kind of clean up the record
10:22:48 information this case because I was trying to get through
10:22:50 the proposal so quickly.
10:22:51 There are revisions that are required between first and
10:22:54 second reading.
10:22:56 They're located in your staff report on pages 2 -- I'm
10:23:01 sorry, three, four and five.
10:23:03 The reason for the revisions is that there are certain
10:23:08 parts and notes from the development agreement that are
10:23:11 on the last sheet of the site plan.
10:23:14 The development agreement was being negotiated up until
10:23:16 about two weeks ago.
10:23:17 So this is to make sure that the main points of the
10:23:21 development agreement are actually also on the site plan.
10:23:24 Also, there is one waiver being requested to allow
10:23:29 sections 13, 45 G to allow the removal of nine
10:23:34 nonhazardous grand trees.
10:23:36 That's did final that inconsistent.
10:23:41 However, they have the understanding that majority of the
10:23:44 nine trees are removed because of the public
10:23:46 infrastructure improvements being put in.
10:23:49 And that as incremental and subdivision plans come in,
10:23:54 each one will be looked at individually for tree removal.
10:23:59 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
10:23:59 All right.
10:24:00 Well, if there's nothing more, think it's time for a
10:24:02 motion to close.
10:24:05 We have a motion to close items number 8 and number 9
10:24:09 from Councilman Suarez, seconded by Councilwoman Capin.
10:24:13 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
10:24:14 Opposed?
10:24:16 All right.
10:24:17 Number 8, I think Councilman Miranda?
10:24:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I read this ordinance for first
10:24:25 reading, see where it goes with revisions, site plans and
10:24:29 the, I believe section 1345-B, the nine trees that were
10:24:35 nonhazardous as our staff individual pointed out just
10:24:40 earlier.
10:24:41 Ordinance for first reading consideration, rezoning
10:24:43 property in the general vicinity of 10695, 10697, 10698
10:24:53 Wild Tamarind Drive, 10533 Mistflower Lane, 19151 Basset
10:25:00 Creek Drive, I'm losing my spot.
10:25:07 Basset Creek Drive.
10:25:09 10775, 10851 Pictorial Park Drive and 10811 Ancient
10:25:15 Futures Drive in the City of Tampa, Florida, more
10:25:20 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district
10:25:23 classifications PD-A, planned development alternative
10:25:27 residential commercial, to PD-A planned development
10:25:30 alternative residential single-family attached, detached
10:25:33 and semi-detached and all CN uses except multi-family
10:25:37 residential, providing an effective date.
10:25:40 >> Second.
10:25:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay, we have a motion from Councilman
10:25:44 Miranda, seconded by Councilman Suarez.
10:25:46 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
10:25:49 Opposed?
10:25:53 >> Motion carried with Reddick being absent and
10:25:55 Maniscalco being absent at vote.
10:25:57 Second reading and adoption will be August 6th at
10:25:59 9:30 a.m.
10:26:01 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
10:26:01 And then we're going to move on to item number 9.
10:26:04 And I will ask Councilman Suarez --
10:26:07 >>REBECCA KERT: I'm sorry to interrupt.
10:26:09 But item number 9 is scheduled for a first public
10:26:12 hearing.
10:26:12 There is no action required except to announce the date
10:26:15 of the second public hearing.
10:26:19 >> August 6th at 10:30 a.m.
10:26:22 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.
10:26:23 August 6th at 10:30 a.m.
10:26:25 Item number ten, we have already taken care of.
10:26:29 So, we are going to move on to information reports and
10:26:32 new business.
10:26:33 Councilman Miranda?
10:26:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I have none.
10:26:37 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Suarez.
10:26:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: None, sir.
10:26:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I do, I have two.
10:26:43 One is to present a commendation to Manny Pumariega,
10:26:49 executive director of Tampa Bay Regional Planning
10:26:51 Council.
10:26:54 >>HARRY COHEN: Ladies and gentlemen, we're still in
10:26:55 session.
10:26:56 Thank you.
10:26:57 I'm sorry, go ahead.
10:26:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: As he retires after 35 year career at the
10:27:02 Council.
10:27:03 To be presented to him at his retirement celebration
10:27:06 September 17.
10:27:08 >> Second.
10:27:09 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin,
10:27:11 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
10:27:13 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
10:27:15 Opposed?
10:27:16 All right.
10:27:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Also present a commendation to Jason
10:27:21 Woody for his 25 years of service with the Lions Eye
10:27:25 Institute to be presented to him at the Lions Eye Ball --
10:27:30 Lions Eye Ball.
10:27:31 [ Laughter ]
10:27:34 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion from Councilwoman Capin,
10:27:37 seconded by Councilman Suarez.
10:27:38 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
10:27:40 Opposed?
10:27:41 All right.
10:27:42 Councilwoman Montelione?
10:27:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just have the one item that I
10:27:49 mentioned previously.
10:27:51 I just want to have staff report on whether or not
10:27:58 they're planning to include the historic -- the
10:28:03 incentives for developing, redeveloping, re-using
10:28:08 historic properties in Tampa Heights and have those
10:28:12 incentives the way that they are currently existing in
10:28:17 Seminole Heights.
10:28:18 >> When would you like that staff report?
10:28:21 How about August 27th?
10:28:24 -- [Inaudible]
10:28:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It may not be.
10:28:29 September 3rd is fine.
10:28:32 As long as it comes to us before we do any changes to our
10:28:35 parking codes, it works for me.
10:28:37 >> September 3rd 9:00 a.m., all those in favor, please
10:28:43 indicate by saying aye.
10:28:44 Opposed?
10:28:45 All right.
10:28:46 And I just have one item.
10:28:48 If you wouldn't mind.
10:28:50 I would like to ask to have Ed Turanchik come in and give
10:28:54 us a short presentation on the ferry proposal.
10:28:57 And I would like to ask if we can do that at the
10:29:02 beginning of the Council meeting on September 3rd.
10:29:07 At the top of the meeting.
10:29:10 >> Second.
10:29:13 >> No, I can't.
10:29:16 >> Hand it to Charlie.
10:29:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Motion by Councilman Cohen, second by
10:29:27 Councilman Miranda.
10:29:29 All those in favor aye.
10:29:31 Opposed?
10:29:32 Passes.
10:29:33 Thank you.
10:29:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Council, next Thursday afternoon at
10:29:40 1:30, you have on your calendar your strategic planning
10:29:43 workshop scheduled.
10:29:45 You have an off-site location, actually Council, I'm
10:29:49 asking you amend it.
10:29:50 It will be on the first floor of this building at old
10:29:52 city hall.
10:29:54 Prior to that, prior to 1:30, lunch will be provided for
10:29:58 you on the first floor.
10:29:59 And so you will never have to leave this building,
10:30:02 regardless of what the weather is.
10:30:06 I'd ask that you amend the calendar accordingly and I
10:30:09 will make sure that the location is posted as a notice of
10:30:12 public hearing.
10:30:13 >> Move to change the calendar meeting to an on-site
10:30:17 location as opposed to off-site location.
10:30:20 >> First floor of old city hall.
10:30:22 >> Second.
10:30:23 >> We have a motion from Councilman Suarez, seconded by
10:30:27 Councilwoman Capin.
10:30:28 All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.
10:30:29 Thank you.
10:30:32 >> We have a motion from Councilman Miranda, seconded by
10:30:35 Councilman Suarez.
10:30:36 All those in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
10:30:37 Opposed?
10:30:39 All right.
10:30:40 We are adjourned.
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