TAMPA CRA MEETING
Thursday, September 10, 2015
9:00 a.m. Session
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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
09:05:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Calling this CRA meeting to order.
09:05:08 We have the invocation, Mr. Miranda.
09:05:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Madam Chair.
09:05:16 This morning, I'm proud to introduce Mr. Steve
09:05:18 Michelini to say the morning prayer to the CRA.
09:05:24 Please remain in your seats while he talks to you.
09:05:29 Mr. Michelini, appreciate it very much.
09:05:35 Please remain standing for the invocation also and
09:05:41 the Pledge of Allegiance.
09:05:45 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Dear Lord, we ask for your
09:05:47 blessings and your comfort for the Elkino Watson
09:05:52 family.
09:05:52 We ask for strength so that you might achieve
09:05:54 great things and the Lord gave us weakness so we
09:05:57 might learn humility.
09:05:58 We ask for power so that others might recognize
09:06:00 us.
09:06:01 The Lord gave us losses so that we may feel the
09:06:03 power and the need for his guidance.
09:06:05 We ask for riches so that we might comfort
09:06:08 ourselves.
09:06:09 The Lord gave us poverty so that we might learn
09:06:11 that no matter what we have, others have less.
09:06:15 Never forget that you can make a difference.
09:06:18 Maintain your faith and courage.
09:06:19 They are fundamental elements that will sustain
09:06:22 you.
09:06:22 Look for the best in others, and you will find it
09:06:25 in yourself.
09:06:26 Strive for excellence, instill hope, empower the
09:06:31 right, vanquish the wrong.
09:06:33 When the time has come, the Lord will answer your
09:06:35 prayers according to wisdom of his own divine
09:06:38 providence.
09:06:39 We ask for your blessings and protection for the
09:06:41 armed forces, the police, fire rescue, civil
09:06:44 servants, elected officials, and teachers, in your
09:06:47 holy name, amen.
09:06:49 [pledge of Allegiance]
09:07:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Roll call.
09:07:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
09:07:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:07:11 >> Reddick?
09:07:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:07:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.
09:07:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.
09:07:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:07:19 Okay.
09:07:20 We're going to start with staff report and our
09:07:23 monthly report.
09:07:26 >> Good morning.
09:07:28 As is our custom, we have a representative from
09:07:31 one of the community CACs.
09:07:33 Today we have Abbey Ahern who represents the
09:07:37 Channel District.
09:07:43 >>Abbey Ahern: Good morning, all.
09:07:45 I'm Abbey Ahern, as Mr. McDonaugh mentioned,
09:07:51 representing the Channel District CRA advisory
09:07:54 this morning.
09:07:54 We said a sad farewell to Mr. Hatchett this month
09:07:57 and welcomed the new CRA manager, Rob Rosner.
09:08:04 We're excited to have him.
09:08:04 I'm sure he'll be up soon.
09:08:04 In addition to the big plans that the port has
09:08:06 going on and the Channelside Bay Plaza has, the
09:08:08 advisory remains focused on achieving the
09:08:12 neighborhood vibe and attending to each resident's
09:08:14 concern.
09:08:14 We get quite a few residents coming to each of our
09:08:18 meetings, which we strongly encourage.
09:08:20 Over the last few months, we've successfully
09:08:22 improved landscaping and sidewalk connections
09:08:25 around 11th Street and working on several other
09:08:28 sidewalk connections, including those on 12th.
09:08:31 Some are temporary.
09:08:32 Some are permanent, as there's still quite a bit
09:08:35 of construction going on and new development.
09:08:37 We're improving and/or eliminating parking in
09:08:40 several of the right-of-ways, specifically along
09:08:42 11th Street and Channelside Drive.
09:08:45 We're also working to identify and establish
09:08:48 additional bike share locations throughout the
09:08:50 district, which is really exciting.
09:08:54 Phenomenal job.
09:08:55 We are planning to update the neighborhood signage
09:09:00 and look forward to the construction starting on
09:09:02 Madison Street Park.
09:09:04 We continue to look for opportunities to keep our
09:09:07 parks looking their best.
09:09:08 Washington Street could use a little love.
09:09:11 Improve electric streetcar service, extending the
09:09:14 hours, and reducing fares and headways.
09:09:17 Extending the InTown trolley service into the
09:09:20 district and improving code compliance.
09:09:22 Lastly, providing some crosswalk and pedestrian
09:09:26 safety amenities for crossing specifically at
09:09:28 Channelside Drive and Kennedy.
09:09:30 Overall, we're delighted with the continued growth
09:09:33 in the neighborhood and in the district.
09:09:35 That's my report.
09:09:40 Does anybody have any questions for me?
09:09:43 >> Ms. Ahern, how old is your baby?
09:09:46 >> 11 and a half months.
09:09:48 >> Are we expecting a birthday party over at the
09:09:51 Greco Streetcar Station?
09:09:53 >>Abbey Ahern: Can we coordinate with the annual
09:09:55 streetcar festival?
09:09:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's up to you.
09:09:59 I know how much you love the streetcar.
09:10:01 You already had a wedding there.
09:10:02 You might as well have the first birthday there.
09:10:05 >> He was there within a month of his birth.
09:10:08 I'm sure he'll be back there soon.
09:10:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You should arrange that.
09:10:13 I think that would be great.
09:10:14 Thank you, chair.
09:10:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for a fine report.
09:10:16 >>Abbey Ahern: Thank you.
09:10:21 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Good morning.
09:10:22 Bob McDonaugh.
09:10:23 Before I start, last month, we ended our meeting
09:10:26 on a sad note by saying good-bye to Michael
09:10:29 Hatchett and Vince Pardo, although Vince is still
09:10:32 here, I don't quite understand that.
09:10:34 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:10:35 Anyway, today, I would like to take the
09:10:42 opportunity to introduce to you the two folks who
09:10:44 are taking their positions.
09:10:46 First, Rob Rosner.
09:10:49 Rob, if you would come up and say a few words.
09:10:59 >> Good morning.
09:10:59 I'm Rob Rosner.
09:11:01 I'm Michael Hatchett's replacement for the
09:11:04 Channelside District downtown, Central Park and
09:11:07 Tampa Heights.
09:11:07 I recently came from Panama City, Florida, where I
09:11:11 managed multiple CRAs there for the past five
09:11:15 years.
09:11:16 I'm excited to be here.
09:11:17 Do you have any questions?
09:11:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Welcome.
09:11:22 Anybody?
09:11:24 Okay.
09:11:25 Not yet.
09:11:29 >> We like to go easy on the first day.
09:11:33 >> Little does he know.
09:11:36 >>BOB McDONAUGH: What rob did not mention by
09:11:38 education and profession, he's also a landscape
09:11:41 architect.
09:11:41 Now, again, no one will fill Vince's shoes, we
09:11:49 know that.
09:11:50 Courtney, please, if you would come up and
09:11:53 introduce yourself.
09:11:55 >> Good morning.
09:11:57 I'm Courtney.
09:11:58 I'm Vince's replacement.
09:11:59 As Bob said, I will never be able to fill his
09:12:03 shoes but I'll try very, very hard.
09:12:06 I'm honored and enthusiastic to be here.
09:12:08 I feel so blessed to have been chosen the person
09:12:12 to pass the torch from Vince.
09:12:15 I look continue to continuing the successes he and
09:12:18 his chief achieved over the last several, several
09:12:21 years.
09:12:21 I look forward to keeping that continuity and
09:12:25 making Ybor City a great place, a safe environment
09:12:28 and a place that people want to come to.
09:12:30 Thank you for the opportunity.
09:12:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Any questions?
09:12:36 Like before, they'll be coming.
09:12:42 >> Thank you.
09:12:43 >> What Courtney did not mention is that she has
09:12:46 experience in downtown areas and urban areas with
09:12:49 the city of Clearwater, Pinellas County, and up in
09:12:51 Indiana.
09:12:52 And she also has experience with CRAs.
09:12:56 Both of the people are well qualified.
09:12:59 But going into an update on some of the things
09:13:02 going on, we'll start with Ybor.
09:13:06 They are still sweeping up after Vince Pardo's
09:13:11 retirement party.
09:13:12 They'll have that cleaned up by this weekend.
09:13:14 An important thing today, you'll be asking for
09:13:17 your votes for the Ybor nominating committees,
09:13:20 recommendations for their board.
09:13:22 You have a list of those folks.
09:13:24 Something to put on your calendar, the FRA annual
09:13:28 meeting is going to be in Tampa this year, and
09:13:30 it's going to be from October 21st and 23rd.
09:13:34 If you have not received invitations, you will be.
09:13:36 As tradition has it, the CRAs will be paying for
09:13:40 your admission to those.
09:13:42 Especially important this year is the number of
09:13:47 our CRAs will be receiving awards from the FRA
09:13:50 for either some of the programs they have or some
09:13:52 of the construction projects they have done.
09:13:54 On your calendar, as long as you've got it out,
09:13:58 Friday night, there is a fund-raiser, a wine
09:14:00 tasting at the Tampa Theater, one of our
09:14:04 institutions and certainly fun to support.
09:14:06 That's from 8 to 10.
09:14:07 And I want to thank you for your support in
09:14:11 helping us attract Johnson & Johnson to our
09:14:15 community.
09:14:15 As you might remember, we did an incentive
09:14:18 package.
09:14:18 It was relatively expensive, but again we got 500
09:14:22 very well-paying jobs.
09:14:24 They signed the largest least to date of this
09:14:27 year.
09:14:28 They are going to hidden river, which is within
09:14:30 the city limits.
09:14:33 They will be employing up to 500 people.
09:14:36 It's a nice coup, nice name brand for our
09:14:40 community.
09:14:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just to be absolutely
09:14:44 completely clear, they did not relocate within a
09:14:48 CRA area.
09:14:49 >>BOB McDONAUGH: That's correct.
09:14:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: They are in district 7, yay,
09:14:54 yay.
09:14:55 >>BOB McDONAUGH: This is new to Tampa.
09:15:00 It is a shared services facility.
09:15:01 And if you'll recall, that is similar to
09:15:04 Bristol-Myers Squibb.
09:15:06 They did the same thing, as did a very large
09:15:09 international law firm did a shared services
09:15:12 office.
09:15:12 You know, apparently how things go through waves
09:15:16 in corporations where they do consolidations and
09:15:19 then break them up.
09:15:20 Again, it seems like we're in a consolidation mode
09:15:22 where shared services, where they have accounting,
09:15:23 HR, and purchasing all put together in one place,
09:15:26 and they service all of their different locations.
09:15:31 This is Johnson & Johnson doing it here in our
09:15:35 community.
09:15:35 It's a very welcome thing.
09:15:36 Next on our agenda, we have Mr. Territo who will
09:15:54 give us background --
09:15:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Before you go to that, I wanted to
09:15:57 ask you about the construction on the streets
09:15:59 around the Straz center, if you could sort of give
09:16:02 us a quick update on what's going on over there.
09:16:04 The broadway season is starting in about two or
09:16:07 three weeks, and I just wondered what the schedule
09:16:13 of work is that's being done over there.
09:16:15 I know that the reconfiguration has started.
09:16:18 >>BOB McDONAUGH: The city's plans will be done by
09:16:22 the end of this month.
09:16:24 The last time I checked, which was a couple of
09:16:26 weeks ago, the city's work will be complete.
09:16:28 There will not be any work done on the development
09:16:31 site.
09:16:32 They are working with the Straz right now, and I
09:16:34 think they are talking about February after the
09:16:36 last big show.
09:16:37 >>HARRY COHEN: In other words, all this road
09:16:39 construction that's going on right now is going to
09:16:41 wrap up in the next month or so.
09:16:43 >>BOB McDONAUGH: That's correct.
09:16:44 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.
09:16:45 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Again, everything has been tied
09:16:48 to the broadway series.
09:16:50 So the folks that aren't familiar with that, that
09:16:54 is an annual series of plays and musicals that the
09:16:57 Straz brings from the broadway and attracts a very
09:17:02 large group of folks.
09:17:03 It is a very profitable thing for the Straz and
09:17:05 very important for our community.
09:17:07 When we schedule construction and activity around
09:17:10 it, we always try to work around that specific
09:17:13 season.
09:17:13 >>HARRY COHEN: Thanks.
09:17:14 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, sir.
09:17:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Moving on, anything else?
09:17:22 >>BOB McDONAUGH: No.
09:17:23 Thank you.
09:17:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
09:17:25 Thank you.
09:17:25 Mr. Miranda.
09:17:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Are you the same individual
09:17:30 that I know because you look a little different?
09:17:33 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:17:33 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Well, shortly after our last CRA
09:17:35 meeting, I was sent to a work camp to change my
09:17:39 ways, so they cut my hair off.
09:17:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You finally got work in?
09:17:44 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I didn't say that.
09:17:45 I mended my ways.
09:17:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I see.
09:17:51 I thought you were a new replacement for yourself.
09:17:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I asked for a Miranda cut.
09:17:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Anyone else want to comment?
09:18:01 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:18:01 Seeing none --
09:18:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: One other thing, Madam Chair,
09:18:06 on the bottom, it says Council member and I don't
09:18:08 want this ballot to be challenged in any way.
09:18:11 I think it should say CRA member down here.
09:18:13 I'm not sure.
09:18:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I think that's correct, right?
09:18:18 Next, attorney Sal Territo is going to report to
09:18:29 us on the findings of the legality of the
09:18:35 technology on the sunshine board.
09:18:38 >>SAL TERRITO: If I may, I would like to address 3
09:18:41 and 4 on the legalities of them.
09:18:45 4 is the easiest one.
09:18:46 There's no reason you couldn't do a GoToMeeting
09:18:50 if that's what you want to do.
09:18:51 The only restriction, if you were the City Council
09:18:54 sitting doing a quasi-judicial hearing, you
09:18:56 couldn't do it because then people would have to
09:18:58 be sworn in and can't do that over the phone
09:19:01 easily.
09:19:01 A GoToMeeting type of thing where you have
09:19:03 people calling into you during the public comment
09:19:06 period, there's no reason why you can't do that
09:19:08 technologically if you can do that.
09:19:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
09:19:12 That's good to know.
09:19:14 Any questions on that?
09:19:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I guess we just need to discuss
09:19:20 when it would be appropriate, if and when we'd
09:19:24 want to use that option for the public to
09:19:27 participate.
09:19:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe we can discuss that during
09:19:31 our workshop period.
09:19:32 That ghost turns off my mike.
09:19:41 >>SAL TERRITO: The other item is a little more
09:19:43 complicated because it requires more steps.
09:19:45 Can it be done, this is a sunshine meeting, having
09:19:48 basically a sunshine meeting where everyone is not
09:19:50 in the same location.
09:19:51 There are five or six steps that you have to go
09:19:53 through.
09:19:53 First, let me apologize to Dr. Spiro because I
09:19:57 indicated last time that we may not have to have a
09:20:00 more vigorous way of identifying people.
09:20:03 He graciously went and made changes.
09:20:06 Our research indicated that may be an issue.
09:20:09 Let me get to that and you'll have an opportunity
09:20:15 to speak, if you need to.
09:20:17 Marcy Hamilton, who is really our specialist on
09:20:20 public records and sunshine meeting, the consensus
09:20:23 seems to be among the legal community and among
09:20:25 the Attorney General's office that the meetings
09:20:28 cannot go for more than two hours.
09:20:30 You can't have a 24-hour thing.
09:20:32 It's too difficult to keep track of what's going
09:20:34 on for a long period of time.
09:20:36 If you want to do something like this the meeting
09:20:38 would be limited basically to two hours, and
09:20:41 that's the consensus.
09:20:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The meeting is limited to two
09:20:54 hours or the comment period?
09:20:56 >>SAL TERRITO: You could have a meeting longer
09:20:59 than that, but the problem, it's a sunshine
09:21:02 meeting and everyone is not present.
09:21:03 The indication is, you shouldn't have it more than
09:21:06 two hours because you're going to have eight or
09:21:08 ten or twelve hours long, you don't know who is
09:21:11 coming and who is leaving.
09:21:14 You don't know if you have a consensus.
09:21:16 The consensus seems to be that the meeting itself
09:21:19 should be limited to a two-hour period of time if
09:21:21 it's done remotely.
09:21:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Where did the two hours come
09:21:26 from?
09:21:27 >>SAL TERRITO: Attorney General opinion, case law,
09:21:29 discussion with people who have dealt with the
09:21:31 issues before.
09:21:31 It was a general consensus.
09:21:33 Again, these things are not written in stone, but
09:21:35 they are saying -- I'll give you an example, there
09:21:38 are examples where courts have looked at things
09:21:41 and said 30 days is okay, but 60 days is not okay.
09:21:44 You say why is 30 days okay but not 60 days.
09:21:48 There's not an easy answer on that.
09:21:50 But the consensus seems to be among people we've
09:21:52 talked to who specialize in Sunshine Law saying
09:21:55 two hours and the Attorney General seems to agree
09:21:58 with that, the two-hour limitation on the
09:22:01 meetings.
09:22:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The two hours is flexible.
09:22:06 If it's two hours and 15 minutes or two and a
09:22:09 half.
09:22:09 >>SAL TERRITO: Correct.
09:22:10 The issue would be if it goes to eight hours --
09:22:15 two and a half hours, there's no clear consensus,
09:22:18 but the consensus seems to be two hours is
09:22:20 reasonable.
09:22:21 More than two hours may not be reasonable.
09:22:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Most of our meetings and I
09:22:26 would imagine most of the subcommittees or the CRA
09:22:29 advisory board meetings are probably within that
09:22:33 window.
09:22:34 >>SAL TERRITO: We're talking about the advisory
09:22:36 boards themselves not being present in the room
09:22:38 together.
09:22:38 If they are all there together and people want to
09:22:41 call in, you would have such a restriction.
09:22:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm saying as a general rule,
09:22:47 they are probably not much more than two hours in
09:22:50 general, unless there is a hot topic on the
09:22:52 agenda.
09:22:53 >>SAL TERRITO: Maybe not allow the call-ins to be
09:22:56 more than that period of time and then you
09:22:58 wouldn't have the issue.
09:23:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Got it.
09:23:06 >>SAL TERRITO: You have to have designated
09:23:07 locations for people to call in from.
09:23:11 There's talk about maybe you'll use the libraries.
09:23:13 Well, to use the libraries, you have to make sure
09:23:15 the computers are available at the library because
09:23:17 if someone else is using them, then you can't call
09:23:20 in.
09:23:20 If you can't call in, what are you doing, you're
09:23:23 restricting the public's access to the public
09:23:26 meeting because they won't have access to a
09:23:28 computer.
09:23:29 There has to be access for the public to call in.
09:23:32 Has to be at a location.
09:23:34 Some people can't use computers, which is another
09:23:36 problem, if they can't call in because they don't
09:23:39 know how to use a computer.
09:23:40 There was talk about we supplying them.
09:23:44 You could supply the computers if you want.
09:23:46 That is a very expensive undertaking.
09:23:48 So the thought was, normally if you don't have a
09:23:51 computer at your home, you go to a library but it
09:23:55 must be available to people.
09:23:55 One of the biggest issues is going to be it's got
09:23:56 to meet the ADA requirements.
09:23:59 If someone wants to go to the library and use the
09:24:02 computer, how do they access it if you don't have
09:24:05 somebody there to monitor for the ADA?
09:24:07 In effect, having the meeting has to meet the same
09:24:10 standards as the meetings we have here.
09:24:11 We have ADA access.
09:24:13 We have all of the provisions available.
09:24:15 When you do it remotely, it gets to be more of a
09:24:19 problem, not illegal, not bad, but more of a
09:24:22 problem to make sure you have access for all these
09:24:25 particular provisions.
09:24:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Your first sentence.
09:24:30 I think you read it from there, on this particular
09:24:32 subject that you just brought up.
09:24:34 About location.
09:24:39 >>SAL TERRITO: -- contain the designated locations
09:24:42 for members of the public to use if they do not
09:24:45 have access to a computer.
09:24:47 If you're a member of the public and you have
09:24:50 access from home, it's not a problem.
09:24:52 If you do not have access, then we put a notice
09:24:55 out, we'll have a public meeting.
09:24:57 It will be done through the Internet, and here are
09:25:00 locations that you may go to to access the meeting
09:25:06 if you don't have a computer at home.
09:25:08 Normally that would mean libraries or places like
09:25:11 that.
09:25:11 If it's going to be library, you have to make sure
09:25:13 that those computers are set aside for the
09:25:15 meeting.
09:25:16 Otherwise, if there's someone sitting there and
09:25:18 they are using it, you don't have access to it.
09:25:20 Plus, then the other issue is, what if they need
09:25:24 ADA compliance?
09:25:25 What if they are in a wheelchair or unsighted?
09:25:28 How do you deal with those issues?
09:25:30 Again, same thing here.
09:25:32 Here we have facilities for that.
09:25:33 People that can deal with that.
09:25:35 If it's being accessed through the Internet, those
09:25:39 become an issue, not that you can't do it, they
09:25:42 become an issue because you have to address those
09:25:44 kinds of issues.
09:25:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Well, with that statement, I would
09:25:48 think if you have the computer at home, that's
09:25:50 convenient.
09:25:51 But if you're sending them somewhere else, what's
09:25:53 the difference of coming to the meeting?
09:25:56 >>SAL TERRITO: I know you have a problem, if
09:25:58 you're up in North Tampa somewhere, heavy traffic
09:26:00 and rather do it from the library, but you have
09:26:04 to -- but the notice must contain, we'll be
09:26:06 holding a public meeting.
09:26:07 The public meeting will be from 10:00 to 12:00 on
09:26:11 this particular day.
09:26:12 If you do not have a computer, here are locations
09:26:16 where you can access the computer.
09:26:18 It has to be that kind of a notice.
09:26:23 The minutes of the meeting must be taken.
09:26:28 One of the issues that came up with this is that
09:26:32 the minutes will be basically the text going back
09:26:35 and forth.
09:26:35 That has been found not to be sufficient.
09:26:37 There has to be minutes of the meeting taken as
09:26:40 well.
09:26:41 Again, there's nothing wrong with what they are
09:26:44 talking about here, but there are issues you have
09:26:46 to deal with.
09:26:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Madam Chair, if I may.
09:26:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, of course.
09:26:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What's the difference between
09:26:57 the text, the responses and the questions that are
09:27:03 typewritten in and minutes?
09:27:06 If you compile all of the text, how would the
09:27:09 minutes differ from a compilation of the text?
09:27:12 >>SAL TERRITO: Here, people watch this on
09:27:14 television.
09:27:14 This is recorded.
09:27:15 Those are not considered to be the minutes for
09:27:17 this meeting.
09:27:18 The minutes of the meeting is what's happening by
09:27:21 the clerk.
09:27:21 They are putting the minutes together.
09:27:23 Texts going back and forth are not considered to
09:27:26 be the minutes.
09:27:27 That's how it's been defined.
09:27:29 How we can break that down, even here, our video
09:27:32 of this meeting is not considered to be the
09:27:34 official minutes.
09:27:35 The minutes are what's taken down by the clerk.
09:27:38 That's what the law says.
09:27:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If somebody takes all the text
09:27:43 and compiles them into the format of minutes,
09:27:47 that's all that would need to be done.
09:27:50 There wouldn't be anything extraneous to add or
09:27:53 subtract.
09:27:54 >>SAL TERRITO: Have to be done and filed somewhere
09:27:56 for the public to access it.
09:27:59 It can't be simply a matter that it's online.
09:28:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.
09:28:03 Someone like here, a motion is made and then the
09:28:07 person's name of who made the motion and who
09:28:09 seconded the motion is in a different format than
09:28:12 if you were to just compile the text.
09:28:14 >>SAL TERRITO: I think it may be for ease.
09:28:17 A two-hour meeting with a lot of discussion,
09:28:19 reading all the text may be more of a problem than
09:28:22 someone sitting down --
09:28:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It just takes somebody to
09:28:25 compile that and put it into the proper format.
09:28:28 >>SAL TERRITO: That's correct.
09:28:29 I should have said about the locations and I left
09:28:31 this part out.
09:28:32 If you're going to say there will be locations if
09:28:34 you do not have a home computer, it must be in the
09:28:38 area that is being discussed.
09:28:39 If it's in the East Tampa CAC, then those
09:28:42 computers have to be located in the East Tampa
09:28:44 CAC.
09:28:45 That's another issue.
09:28:47 These are not insurmountable.
09:28:49 They are hurdles that must be made before the
09:28:52 meeting can be found to be valid.
09:28:55 You have to have an adequate number of computers.
09:28:57 That all goes to the same issue.
09:29:00 I mentioned the ADA one.
09:29:07 One of the big issues, what I was apologizing for,
09:29:12 I would assume you want to know who is calling in.
09:29:15 The Attorney General's office says that may be a
09:29:16 barrier to access.
09:29:18 It's like us closing the door.
09:29:20 If you don't have a password, you can't get into
09:29:22 the system.
09:29:23 Basically, it's just the opposite of what we're
09:29:27 trying to do, is that anyone should be able to
09:29:30 call in without having to access -- now, that's
09:29:32 not for the members.
09:29:33 That's for the public.
09:29:35 So you know that if it is the members doing it,
09:29:38 you want to know it is the member making the
09:29:40 decision or having the discussion.
09:29:42 But the public should not have any barriers to
09:29:44 their access, including passwords.
09:29:46 Anybody who wants to call in and, again, the
09:29:49 difficulty is going to be, are they in East Tampa?
09:29:52 Are they in West Tampa?
09:29:53 Are they in Ybor?
09:29:54 They can identify themselves as such but anyone
09:29:58 who comes down here can speak to the board
09:30:00 irrespective of where they live.
09:30:02 Those are the issues.
09:30:03 Can it be done?
09:30:04 Yes, it can be done, but there are some hurdles
09:30:07 that have to be overcome before you can get there.
09:30:09 The last issue, if you decide you want to do
09:30:11 something like this for the CAC, for the advisory
09:30:14 committees, we probably have to go through an RFP
09:30:18 or bidding process.
09:30:19 We can't simply take the first person who comes
09:30:21 here.
09:30:22 If there are other methods available, we'd have to
09:30:24 look at those as well and then you would make a
09:30:27 decision on which one you'd want to choose for
09:30:29 that purpose.
09:30:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We discussed the cost at the last
09:30:35 meeting.
09:30:36 I'm sorry, Mr. Miranda.
09:30:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I was going to say the same
09:30:39 thing you did, Madam Chair.
09:30:40 Cost.
09:30:41 I'm very cost conscious.
09:30:43 I want to know what these cost.
09:30:44 What is the maintenance fee, monthly fee.
09:30:47 If it breaks down, who is responsible for the cost
09:30:51 of the breakdown.
09:31:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If we could have Dr. Spiro
09:31:03 address some of these things.
09:31:04 We've got several members of CACs here this
09:31:07 morning.
09:31:08 I don't know if any of them have been contacted.
09:31:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Bock McDonaugh, after the last
09:31:18 meeting, I asked Mr. Spiro because we're having
09:31:21 new managers in a couple of the districts if we
09:31:23 could wait a month and then we'll have him appear
09:31:27 at some of the CAC meetings to see if people even
09:31:29 have an interest.
09:31:31 I can tell you from personal experience, I have
09:31:33 not received any complaints about access and
09:31:35 ability to either contact the advisory committee
09:31:40 or attend the meetings in public.
09:31:43 Again, it seems like an extra step, but certainly
09:31:46 willing to do what the board pleases.
09:31:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Sal, you brought up some of the
09:31:57 issues, you know, first, let me kind of -- people
09:32:01 who are serving on the board of the CAC, if they
09:32:05 are also totally electronic in terms of a meeting
09:32:09 place itself, and then the public you would have
09:32:12 to have that access that you were just mentioning.
09:32:15 And then we have to have minutes and we have to
09:32:17 have some other factors that go into some of the
09:32:20 things that you mentioned.
09:32:21 Just like we have, and you mentioned this also,
09:32:25 just like we have people who are outside of the
09:32:28 CRA areas to come and make comments about specific
09:32:32 things on here, is there any control or any way of
09:32:36 stopping, you know, a discussion so it's not
09:32:44 hijacked by an individual that is constantly
09:32:47 flooding for more things onto this stream that we
09:32:50 have?
09:32:52 So as an example, somebody might have a filibuster
09:32:55 by virtue of the technology itself, just
09:32:58 continually putting stuff in there.
09:33:00 If you're out there watching it and based on what
09:33:03 Dr. Spiro's technology, you know, you've got to go
09:33:09 through a lot of stuff in order to get to that one
09:33:12 piece as opposed to what we have here, which is a
09:33:14 set time in terms of how much time someone has to
09:33:18 speak to us.
09:33:18 Sort of the same thing with the CAC.
09:33:20 Eventually somebody will go, hey, you know, we
09:33:22 need to go on to something else.
09:33:25 We can't keep talking about this one issue or this
09:33:28 one area.
09:33:29 We can't have somebody hijack the meeting.
09:33:32 Is there anything in any of the legal issues that
09:33:34 you deal with concerning cutting off discussion
09:33:38 when it comes to electronic types of speech?
09:33:44 >>SAL TERRITO: I'm not aware of any issues that
09:33:45 could control that, the same way if a member of
09:33:48 the public comes down here, we see them and it
09:33:50 makes it a lot easier.
09:33:52 There's no way to know electronically, as far as I
09:33:53 know, to know who the person is that's
09:33:55 communicating with you.
09:33:57 They can say I'm John Jones or Mary Jones and I'm
09:33:59 doing XYZ.
09:34:01 There's also no way to know if they are coming to
09:34:04 a home computer.
09:34:06 They could be in New Jersey for all we know.
09:34:07 If you provide access for someone who doesn't have
09:34:10 a computer, that is the only restriction.
09:34:12 Has to be located in the area.
09:34:14 Outside of that, I'm not aware.
09:34:16 I don't deal with technology to have any way of
09:34:19 monitoring it.
09:34:19 Letters to the editor.
09:34:21 The blogs come in and same people every single
09:34:25 day, identify themselves as such.
09:34:28 The key here is the members have to be identified
09:34:30 clearly.
09:34:30 The public does not have to be.
09:34:33 There is a possibility for a filibuster, sure
09:34:35 there is.
09:34:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Part of the problem, now that we're
09:34:41 well connected to everyone across the world,
09:34:43 whether on a social platform or Internet or, you
09:34:46 know, e-mail, whatever, there is an idea that I
09:34:51 living in Tampa can make an opinion known about
09:34:53 what's going on in Indianapolis, Indiana.
09:34:56 Just because I don't like what they are doing in
09:34:59 Indianapolis, Indiana.
09:35:00 I have nothing besides my opinion that makes it
09:35:04 important.
09:35:04 I don't vote there.
09:35:05 I don't live there, but I still want to keep doing
09:35:08 that.
09:35:09 We have found and I know I found on social media,
09:35:11 you know, we get comments all the time from
09:35:14 outside of the city limits.
09:35:16 People that don't vote, they don't pay any of the
09:35:19 taxes we charge folks in order to run the city yet
09:35:22 they want to have their opinion heard.
09:35:24 I think that technology, because of the
09:35:27 pervasiveness of it, makes it much more difficult
09:35:31 for us to control these situations.
09:35:33 And I think that, frankly, it makes for the
09:35:36 collegiality of meetings like this worse, because
09:35:40 now we're playing to all of everyone's opinion as
09:35:45 opposed to the people really being affected by the
09:35:47 issues that are at hand.
09:35:49 I don't have a problem with technology in a
09:35:51 limited sense when it comes to these kind of
09:35:53 meetings but to me I don't think that we should
09:35:56 explore expanding this, even on a CAC level
09:36:00 because that's where the rubber meets the road.
09:36:02 That's where we're determining what we'll spend
09:36:04 money and I don't want things to get hijacked
09:36:07 because somebody just happens to want to take the
09:36:10 floor and say all kinds of things, hurtful or, you
09:36:14 know, outrageous or crazy or whatever.
09:36:17 I think that we -- you know, it sounds good on
09:36:21 paper but I think in practice it will be an
09:36:23 extremely difficult thing to put in place.
09:36:25 Thank you, Mr. Territo, for finding out all the
09:36:29 legal aspects.
09:36:30 It is a lot harder to fit this into -- this round
09:36:33 peg into a square hole than you thought, I'm sure,
09:36:37 Sal.
09:36:38 Thank you.
09:36:39 Thank you, chair.
09:36:43 >> [INAUDIBLE]
09:36:44 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:36:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for the report.
09:36:47 We now have the legal opinion on this.
09:36:55 Any other questions?
09:36:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think we've got two subjects
09:37:01 kind of mixed together.
09:37:03 The first subject was expanding the ability for
09:37:06 the public to participate in community meetings,
09:37:09 which was the first GoToMeeting type of system
09:37:16 that you talked about or brought the report back
09:37:19 to us.
09:37:19 The second is the use of the sunshine board
09:37:25 technology.
09:37:27 You mentioned somebody could be in New Jersey and
09:37:30 participate.
09:37:30 Well, that's exactly the point.
09:37:32 If you have a board meeting taking place, like,
09:37:35 for instance, there is a possibility I'm going to
09:37:37 be in Pittsburgh during one of our City Council
09:37:42 meetings.
09:37:43 For me to participate, I would be calling into the
09:37:48 meeting.
09:37:48 There are apples and oranges here, I think,
09:37:53 because the sunshine board was -- and Dr. Spiro
09:37:58 can correct me if I'm wrong -- would enable board
09:38:03 members to participate in a meeting without being
09:38:07 in the room and would -- we've had occasions where
09:38:11 it's been reported to us that CACs have had
09:38:14 trouble scheduling meetings or a lot of people,
09:38:17 you know, couldn't attend or didn't show up.
09:38:20 And this would clear that hurdle for them to be
09:38:23 able to participate in the board meeting without
09:38:28 having to physically be present.
09:38:30 I'm thinking there are apples and oranges here.
09:38:34 Yes, it would also be available to the public so
09:38:37 that the public could comment on those board
09:38:39 meetings, because they are open, sunshine
09:38:43 meetings, and the public needs to be able to
09:38:47 access and comment.
09:38:48 The idea that it would be hijacked by the public
09:38:53 for airtime, so to speak, I don't think is a real
09:38:58 concern.
09:38:59 We struggle to have the public participation as it
09:39:05 is.
09:39:05 And this would do nothing but be able to encourage
09:39:11 and have more public participation, which I think
09:39:13 is always a good thing.
09:39:15 I think the isolated incidents where somebody is
09:39:18 try to hijack a meeting -- trying to hijack a
09:39:21 meeting can be dealt with by whoever is chairing
09:39:24 the meeting.
09:39:25 I'm always looking for more participation from the
09:39:29 public, and for us to filter through what's
09:39:32 important and what isn't, and what is relevant and
09:39:36 what is not.
09:39:38 Typically on a Thursday we hear a lot of things
09:39:40 from individuals who speak during public comment
09:39:42 that may not be relevant to the discussion we're
09:39:45 having that day.
09:39:46 When you're looking at new technology, it is
09:39:50 always going to be -- you know, somebody has to be
09:39:53 first.
09:39:54 I would love for the City of Tampa to be able to
09:39:58 say we were ahead of the curve, and that we are
09:40:04 taking a step into the digital age, and that's
09:40:08 where society is moving, like it or not, we are
09:40:13 moving in that direction.
09:40:16 People today have so much available to them
09:40:23 through technology, but the one thing they don't
09:40:26 have available to them is their voice being heard
09:40:28 at government meetings.
09:40:30 And I think that that's a hurdle that we can forge
09:40:36 ahead and get over.
09:40:38 Anytime you're looking at some new technology
09:40:40 that's going to be -- there's going to be growing
09:40:44 pains at first.
09:40:45 I would like to hear from Dr. Spiro to discuss
09:40:50 some of the issues that you brought up and then
09:40:53 see where we go from there after he's able to
09:40:55 comment.
09:40:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Ms. Montelione.
09:40:59 Mr. Suarez.
09:40:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Two things.
09:41:01 I agree with what you're saying, Councilwoman
09:41:03 Montelione.
09:41:04 There are two different issues.
09:41:06 Whether or not people participate as a board
09:41:08 together, which is what was presented to us by
09:41:11 Dr. Spiro from the very beginning.
09:41:13 That is a different aspect.
09:41:15 To me personally, I think that your situation of
09:41:17 whether or not you call in, which I supported and
09:41:21 I'm in favor of, is different than someone who
09:41:24 says I want to participate completely by an online
09:41:30 method.
09:41:31 Secondly, the technology has -- there's nothing
09:41:35 new.
09:41:35 There's nothing different about the technology.
09:41:37 Essentially it is a trail of text and e-mails that
09:41:40 are on there.
09:41:41 There's nothing specifically new about the
09:41:44 technology he's presenting.
09:41:45 He's presenting us a different way of presenting
09:41:49 public information, nothing more.
09:41:50 And I don't have a problem with that.
09:41:52 It's just that I think when we appoint these
09:41:55 boards, as you know, when we have people that want
09:41:57 to be on these boards, when they don't show up, if
09:42:02 we did everything electronic, I don't think that
09:42:06 bodes well for community, personally.
09:42:08 I think there is a value to people getting
09:42:10 together and discussing things in a room together.
09:42:14 Because it does bring down most of the time the
09:42:19 passions and the heat in a discussion, and people
09:42:22 start to get reasonable.
09:42:24 Doesn't always happen.
09:42:26 We've been here -- I heard somebody laugh.
09:42:28 You're not getting voted on if you don't stop it.
09:42:31 That was a joke, by the way.
09:42:32 Sometimes it helps to be in a room to discuss
09:42:44 things.
09:42:44 I think the value of democracy is being able to
09:42:44 have people together to talk about community.
09:42:46 Because when we start talking about anonymity, to
09:42:49 some degree, I think that emboldens people to come
09:42:52 up with ideas or opinions that are much more
09:42:56 extreme and less about community.
09:42:59 It's more about myself, because I'm sitting in
09:43:02 my -- you know, in my den typing on my computer
09:43:05 about what I believe is right.
09:43:07 I don't care what anyone else says.
09:43:09 The other thing is the frustration of the
09:43:11 technology itself.
09:43:12 There's only so much we can control.
09:43:14 Last week I was trying to send an e-mail from work
09:43:17 and our system went down.
09:43:19 It was an incredibly important e-mail and I was
09:43:20 really frustrated.
09:43:21 I would hate to see public hearings be redone
09:43:26 because of a technologically glitch.
09:43:28 No guarantee of that one way or the other.
09:43:31 We have technological glitches here, but there is
09:43:32 a way of doing it without having to worry about
09:43:35 the technology itself.
09:43:36 I've had my say.
09:43:37 I apologize for taking so much time.
09:43:41 I understand your passion about this, but I don't
09:43:44 know if we're at this stage now with this
09:43:46 particular presentation to go forward.
09:43:48 That's just my opinion.
09:43:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for your comments.
09:43:51 Anyone else, any questions?
09:43:52 Thank you for the report.
09:43:56 We have here Dr. Spiro.
09:44:00 I pronounce it the Spanish way.
09:44:07 Please, if you wish to come up.
09:44:10 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Thank you, Council, for the
09:44:12 opportunity to respond.
09:44:15 First of all, I'd like to say that as far as the
09:44:19 technology being something new, this is
09:44:22 specialized for government.
09:44:23 As an example, with respect to the minutes, let me
09:44:26 take just one step back.
09:44:27 I'll be brief with all these responses but I want
09:44:30 to be complete.
09:44:31 We have mentioned in this conversation calling in
09:44:34 several times.
09:44:35 With the sunshine board technology, there is no
09:44:37 "calling in," per se.
09:44:40 It is all written by text.
09:44:44 When we develop the technology, it's specialized
09:44:45 so that there is a single button that is pushed at
09:44:48 the end of the meeting which generates
09:44:50 automatically all the minutes.
09:44:52 And the minutes are all the text, because that's
09:44:56 all that exists in the meeting.
09:44:58 There is no conversation.
09:44:59 There is no calling in that's excluded from the
09:45:03 minutes.
09:45:03 Legally the minutes have to include when the
09:45:06 meeting started, who spoke, what motions were
09:45:09 approved or not approved and when it was stopped.
09:45:11 In this case, there are no motions being made
09:45:13 because there are no votes being taken.
09:45:16 All the minutes actually must contain is when the
09:45:19 meeting starts, who was present, and when it
09:45:22 stops.
09:45:22 So the minutes within this technology contain that
09:45:27 and then it contains more, which is actually
09:45:30 helpful.
09:45:31 It doesn't take anything away from it.
09:45:33 The minutes automatically generated completely
09:45:35 legal.
09:45:37 As far as filibusters go, the technology enables
09:45:40 the CACs to determine how much they would like
09:45:46 public participation.
09:45:47 Very much the same way that here it's determined
09:45:49 that a public person can speak for three minutes.
09:45:52 That's the determination by the Council.
09:45:56 So a non-board member could be limited to a single
09:46:01 comment per topic, per day, and various other ways
09:46:06 so that it would mimic essentially what is
09:46:08 happening here in the present.
09:46:09 Ms. Montelione was absolutely correct.
09:46:16 The purpose of this technology first and foremost
09:46:20 is to bring collaborative government together.
09:46:23 The CACs only meet once a month.
09:46:27 So if things happen in between that month that
09:46:29 they need to address, they have to wait another 30
09:46:32 days.
09:46:33 This technology by having these online workshops
09:46:34 in between their physical meetings would enable
09:46:37 them to address issues in a more efficient and
09:46:40 effective manner in between those meetings.
09:46:42 When they get to the physical meeting, they can
09:46:45 actually have a relatively shorter discussion
09:46:48 because they have already discussed it on the
09:46:51 online workshop and take a vote on the issue.
09:46:53 That's where we see huge time savings.
09:46:58 It's not meant to replace physical meetings in any
09:47:00 way, shape, or form.
09:47:03 And the issue that councilman Suarez discussed
09:47:06 about being physically in person has an advantage
09:47:09 is not taken away by this technology because those
09:47:12 physical meetings still take place.
09:47:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I have a question that popped up.
09:47:17 When you say that you can have discussions in
09:47:20 between meetings, how does that work with the
09:47:23 sunshine and public notice?
09:47:25 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: It's a workshop.
09:47:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They all become workshops?
09:47:30 >>DR. CYRIL SPIRO: They are all workshops.
09:47:32 So you have your CAC meeting where you actually do
09:47:34 your voting and then you have your online
09:47:37 workshops, which are publicly noticed as workshops
09:47:39 in between your physical meetings so you have an
09:47:42 opportunity to discuss things let's say in a
09:47:44 15-day time frame or less depending on what you
09:47:48 choose.
09:47:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You set them up ahead of time?
09:47:51 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Yes, they are set up ahead of
09:47:53 time.
09:47:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You said if they come up with
09:47:55 something they need to discuss.
09:47:56 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Let's pretend the physical
09:47:58 meetings are all on the 1st.
09:48:00 You set up online workshops on the 15th.
09:48:02 You make a notice ahead of time that for the whole
09:48:05 year, every month on the 15th, we'll have an
09:48:09 online workshop.
09:48:09 So that's been noticed.
09:48:12 Let's say something comes up on the 10th.
09:48:14 Instead of having to wait another 20 days until
09:48:17 the first of the month to discuss it, they can
09:48:19 discuss it five days later on the online workshop.
09:48:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for explaining that.
09:48:26 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Sure.
09:48:28 As far as public computers, absolutely.
09:48:32 We provide a computer in our district.
09:48:36 As far as ADA requirements I'm not 100% sure on
09:48:41 this but I believe all public computers at
09:48:43 libraries have to already be ADA compliant.
09:48:46 I think that's the case already.
09:48:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Excuse me, Mr. Spiro.
09:48:50 Mr. Miranda, please.
09:48:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Madam Chair.
09:48:52 Doctor, talk to me about cost, money.
09:48:55 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Thanks.
09:48:57 I was getting right there.
09:48:58 Five cents per citizen per area.
09:49:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Hold, hold, hold.
09:49:03 Mathematically, five cents per district per area.
09:49:08 How much is the area? How many people are
09:49:10 involved? And how much does the five cents equal
09:49:12 to?
09:49:13 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Absolutely.
09:49:14 Just to be even more clear, it's five cents per
09:49:16 month per citizen per area.
09:49:18 The area that I had presented at my meeting was
09:49:20 for all the CRAs.
09:49:22 And that totaled roughly 2800 a month.
09:49:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 2800 people or $2800?
09:49:30 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: $2800 a month.
09:49:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Times 12, times whatever.
09:49:36 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Yes.
09:49:37 That covers all the technology.
09:49:40 I spoke with Greg Spearman.
09:49:44 Their department doesn't have to be involved at
09:49:46 all, because it's all web based.
09:49:49 No infrastructure, no hardware, nothing that has
09:49:52 to be taken care of by the city.
09:49:54 That cost covers all the hardware that we take
09:49:58 care of for all the citizens in that area.
09:50:00 Then at the last meeting, I believe the City
09:50:03 Council discussed the possibility of reducing the
09:50:07 usage of the sunshine board as initial start-up to
09:50:09 a smaller subsection, maybe two or three CRAs
09:50:13 which would then reduce the cost.
09:50:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's about $33,600 a year.
09:50:18 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: Sounds about right.
09:50:29 Again, at any given time, we may have -- at that
09:50:29 point, I think it was 50,000 citizens that we have
09:50:32 to be able to provide service for.
09:50:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm going to follow up a little
09:50:39 bit with that.
09:50:40 You said 50,000 citizens that have access.
09:50:43 And we're paying for all of those citizens whether
09:50:49 they access it or not?
09:50:55 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: That is the design of the
09:50:56 infrastructure.
09:50:56 It has to be able to handle the capacity.
09:50:59 If we look at what we estimate might be actual
09:51:03 load down the road, we could probably look at that
09:51:08 in order to provide discounts, in order to say,
09:51:10 you know, maybe we know that all 50,000 won't be
09:51:14 on at the exact same time so we can reduce the
09:51:18 load and provide a discount.
09:51:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I want to just bring something up.
09:51:23 When we mentioned the board itself and they could
09:51:27 call in or participate online, I have found that
09:51:32 on boards, if they are not available, they are not
09:51:35 available.
09:51:35 They have a conflict.
09:51:37 Either they'll let you know I'll be on the phone.
09:51:41 Should be able to vote or they are not.
09:51:44 It's not a matter of being able to access it.
09:51:48 It's a matter of them having a conflict and they
09:51:50 can't be there.
09:51:52 I just want to bring that up, because I found
09:51:55 that's exactly what happened.
09:51:58 >>SAL TERRITO: I think that no decisions are being
09:52:00 made.
09:52:01 These are workshops.
09:52:02 You cannot make the decisions in one of the
09:52:05 meetings.
09:52:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: They are all workshops.
09:52:07 >>SAL TERRITO: I should have mentioned that at the
09:52:09 beginning.
09:52:09 Only dealing with workshops and no decisions are
09:52:11 being made.
09:52:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
09:52:13 Because the board was brought up.
09:52:15 Thank you for the correction.
09:52:16 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: As far as the two-hour limit,
09:52:26 so, first of all, we support that for the online
09:52:31 workshops to be used at two-hour time periods.
09:52:34 And that is exactly what we've done at Cory Lake
09:52:36 Isles in the past.
09:52:39 I just wanted to let the Council know that that
09:52:44 came out of a request from Delray Beach to use
09:52:47 this kind of technology.
09:52:49 They asked the Attorney General's office.
09:52:51 They said, we have two-hour meetings that we'd
09:52:54 like to conduct in this way.
09:52:56 The Attorney General responded by saying, you can
09:52:58 do that with these stipulations, which Mr. Territo
09:53:02 presented to you.
09:53:03 However, one of those stipulations was not that it
09:53:06 is only two hours, which is why there's no exact
09:53:09 time frame, that it must only be two hours.
09:53:12 There was never any opinion, never been any case
09:53:16 law that ever said the workshops can only be two
09:53:19 hours.
09:53:19 It's only just by a matter of chance that Delray
09:53:22 Beach asked, we have two-hour meetings, can we use
09:53:26 this?
09:53:26 And they said yes.
09:53:28 And I think I've addressed all the questions, but
09:53:33 if there are any further questions, I'd be happy
09:53:36 to address.
09:53:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:53:38 Any other questions for Mr. Spiro?
09:53:45 >>FRANK REDDICK: You haven't addressed the issue I
09:53:48 brought up last time and that -- I think you were
09:53:53 supposed to reach out to some of the CRAs and
09:53:57 speak with them and generate to determine if they
09:54:01 had any interest in participating.
09:54:03 Have you done that?
09:54:05 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro: I have not, because
09:54:07 Mr. McDonaugh advised me to wait until some new
09:54:11 members came.
09:54:12 >>FRANK REDDICK: Madam Chair, what are we
09:54:16 attempting to accomplish here today?
09:54:17 Are we attempting to vote on this or move forward?
09:54:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: This is information only, as far
09:54:24 as I can see, a staff report to us.
09:54:26 And that's what we have received.
09:54:29 I do not see any movement forward because we had
09:54:35 asked for him to contact the CACs, and that
09:54:40 hasn't been done.
09:54:41 I think the CACs need to weigh in if we move any
09:54:45 further.
09:54:45 Do you have anything to add?
09:54:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I was going to reiterate what
09:54:50 you just said.
09:54:52 Today, Mr. Reddick was to hear from Sal Territo on
09:54:56 the legalities and aspects as chairwoman Capin
09:55:00 noted that it was informational and that was the
09:55:02 reason.
09:55:02 Dr. Spiro was asked to wait until the new CAC
09:55:09 managers came on board, and they are on board.
09:55:13 So his next step would be to meet with the new
09:55:17 managers and also with the chairs of the
09:55:19 respective CRAs to see if their particular CRA
09:55:24 would be interested.
09:55:24 The cost, Mr. Miranda is not here, if all of them
09:55:32 decide that this is something they want to try,
09:55:35 that's one thing.
09:55:36 If it's maybe two or three that's something they
09:55:39 want to try, then it would be a different cost,
09:55:42 because it wouldn't be everybody.
09:55:44 The next step is for Dr. Spiro to meet with the
09:55:49 CRA managers and the CAC chairs.
09:55:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That being said, Mr. McDonaugh,
09:55:57 maybe during this process you can inform us when
09:56:00 they have met and when we can hear --
09:56:09 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Yes, I hope to have that
09:56:11 accomplished before the next meeting.
09:56:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Moving on --
09:56:19 >> I just want to thank you for your time.
09:56:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You're welcome, thank you.
09:56:23 >> Matter of process.
09:56:24 Normally we go straight into public comment.
09:56:26 We have a number of folks here today that are
09:56:28 interested in representing West Tampa, and I did
09:56:31 not know if you wanted them to come up during
09:56:33 public comment or would you prefer to wait until
09:56:36 that item is being addressed.
09:56:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let's wait until -- oh you're
09:56:44 right.
09:56:45 We'll wait until it's being addressed.
09:56:47 Now we're at public comment, three minutes per
09:56:54 speaker.
09:56:54 Anyone that would like to comment on the CRA,
09:56:59 please come up to the mike.
09:57:01 No one.
09:57:05 Oh, we're doing -- oh, wait, wait.
09:57:26 >> Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.
09:57:31 No handout today.
09:57:32 There was something that I was going to hand out,
09:57:36 but it has to be reworked a bit.
09:57:38 Anyway, this is a thing I mentioned, 17 cents a
09:57:42 gallon, now it becomes 16 cents.
09:57:45 In any case, with respect to item 5, technology,
09:57:50 gee, I wish technology was getting as much
09:57:56 hearing, dean Kovak, sold carports languishing for
09:58:03 20 years.
09:58:04 The image of Tampa as a place where technology
09:58:07 does not get implemented is not going to be
09:58:09 changed that much when you've got 20 years of a
09:58:12 major breakthrough idea just sitting.
09:58:15 West Tampa that relates to this.
09:58:23 The stormwater, which I am exposed to at Albany
09:58:30 and Kennedy.
09:58:31 The thing is, a work crew was actually out there.
09:58:35 Maybe they'll get the dead cow out of that
09:58:38 manhole.
09:58:39 But in any case, that area has been added to West
09:58:43 Tampa, apparently.
09:58:45 They have the north side I think of Kennedy,
09:58:48 unless I'm wrong.
09:58:49 But as I say, my focus is on the I and how the I
09:58:55 is being changed.
09:58:57 But there are economies of scale in this.
09:59:00 It also bears on the county to reduce congestion,
09:59:04 the $907 a year of congestion offset by 20 cents a
09:59:10 day, which is about 120 cents a day is about $70 a
09:59:15 year.
09:59:16 It's a good buy.
09:59:17 Not that the person might use the expanded
09:59:20 transportation facilities, but the other guy.
09:59:23 You know, the guy that's in front of them on the
09:59:25 freeways and the streets down here and behind
09:59:28 them, that's the guy who might use it.
09:59:31 Because they go by -- Hart is poorly run.
09:59:36 What happens is, they go by clusters of people
09:59:39 when the buses aren't running and they say, hey,
09:59:41 no way I'm going to do that, but maybe the other
09:59:45 guy, the guy that's holding me up on the highways.
09:59:48 Okay, Ybor City, my focus, of course, is on the
09:59:52 food festivals.
09:59:53 But here is the thing, maybe there can't be a club
09:59:58 at 7th Avenue and 19th Street.
10:00:02 When it was a golf club, there was no problem, but
10:00:04 there seems to be a lot of murders.
10:00:07 In any case, the media is getting on to things.
10:00:10 This was a little handout that was in the TBT.
10:00:14 It's very good.
10:00:15 You should try and get a copy of it if you can
10:00:19 because it relates to the public health and the
10:00:22 people nominated on the committees, specifically
10:00:25 Ybor City, they should be conversant like the
10:00:27 impact of bad food choices and glorifying them
10:00:31 with food festivals.
10:00:33 I have more.
10:00:37 Anyway, it can wait until the next CRA.
10:00:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:00:48 >> Good morning, CRA.
10:00:49 My name is Linda Saul-Sena.
10:00:50 I live at 157 Biscayne in Tampa.
10:00:54 I want to thank you very much for your strong
10:00:56 stand concerning the proposed widening of the
10:00:59 interstate through the heart of downtown Tampa.
10:01:01 I think that's a very important issue, and the CRA
10:01:03 which represents our neighborhoods is a very
10:01:07 appropriate body to speak to that.
10:01:10 Today you're going to be considering the budget
10:01:13 for the CRA, and I just wanted to remind you all
10:01:17 that of all of your responsibilities sitting at
10:01:20 that dais, the CRA is the most independent
10:01:24 function you serve.
10:01:28 You all independently sitting as a CRA determine
10:01:31 where those monies will be spent.
10:01:32 And I've seen in different years the CRA being
10:01:37 bolder and less bold in terms of directing the
10:01:42 investment of those funds to do the very best
10:01:44 things you can do for the neighborhoods.
10:01:46 So as you consider this today, I encourage you to
10:01:49 think very autonomously and boldly and listen to
10:01:54 the concerns of the neighborhoods, which you
10:01:56 represent in this function.
10:01:58 The worst decisions I ever made as a CRA member
10:02:01 was to invest an enormous amount in some
10:02:03 infrastructure in the Channel District -- this was
10:02:06 years ago.
10:02:08 It was being promoted for a bunch of developments
10:02:11 that never occurred at the time.
10:02:13 At the time, the neighborhood desperately needed
10:02:15 more modest streetscape improvements which then
10:02:19 took another eight years to come about.
10:02:20 You may remember this, Mr. Territo.
10:02:23 So look at what the needs are now in the
10:02:25 neighborhoods, because this -- I mean, it isn't
10:02:27 the whole city budget, but it is a piece of the
10:02:30 city budget that you all really control directly.
10:02:33 And I just want you to feel very empowered in your
10:02:38 decision making about this budget.
10:02:39 Thank you.
10:02:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:02:42 Anyone else?
10:02:43 Seeing none, we continue with the required
10:02:52 approval.
10:02:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Good morning, bob McDonaugh.
10:02:55 You were given a slate of candidates for Ybor that
10:02:59 has been voted by the YCDC and asking for the CRA
10:03:03 board's confirmation of the recommendations.
10:03:07 >> I move that slate for approval.
10:03:09 >> Second.
10:03:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Moved by councilman Suarez.
10:03:13 Seconded by councilman Cohen.
10:03:15 All in favor.
10:03:16 Opposed?
10:03:16 Passed unanimously.
10:03:20 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Now we have candidates for West
10:03:23 Tampa.
10:03:24 I'm going to ask Jeanette Fenton to step up and
10:03:27 help me with that.
10:03:32 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Good morning, CRA members.
10:03:34 Jeanette LaRussa Fenton, Drew Park and West Tampa
10:03:35 CRA manager.
10:03:37 I am very pleased that we are here this morning to
10:03:39 appoint the charter class of the West Tampa
10:03:43 Community Advisory Committee.
10:03:44 As you know, West Tampa is a very engaged
10:03:49 community, so we have quite a few applicants.
10:03:51 You have an advisory committee that is constructed
10:03:55 of three open seats.
10:03:57 Those individuals come from either the categories
10:03:59 of residents, business owners or property owners,
10:04:02 or what we call at large, individuals that don't
10:04:06 meet any of those categories but have a
10:04:08 significant interest in the area or influence in
10:04:10 the area or have a particular expertise that might
10:04:14 be useful.
10:04:15 So those are the three.
10:04:17 You have 24 applicants in that category.
10:04:20 You would select three.
10:04:21 And then you have eight ex officio members which
10:04:25 represent West Tampa community-based
10:04:27 organizations.
10:04:28 Those eight members, those individuals are put
10:04:31 forth about their respective organizations, and we
10:04:34 ask that you ratify those eight members from those
10:04:37 organizations.
10:04:38 I did want to point out that two individuals that
10:04:42 are among the 24, Mr. Gallon and Mr. Beal, all of
10:04:47 the members, all of the applicants, I should say,
10:04:49 have to sign the Sunshine and Ethics Code Form
10:04:52 saying that they will adhere to that.
10:04:54 At the time you received your backup, because of
10:04:57 transmittal issues with their applications, they
10:05:00 applied timely but those forms did not transmit.
10:05:03 Since then, we have received their signed forms,
10:05:05 so they are fully authorized to be appointed and
10:05:09 should be duly considered.
10:05:10 I know quite a few are here to speak.
10:05:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. Suarez and then Mr. Reddick.
10:05:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A couple of questions and thank
10:05:20 you, chair.
10:05:21 So the slate of the ex officio members, we can
10:05:24 move forward and just approve that slate, correct?
10:05:27 >>JEANETTE FENTON: That's correct.
10:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could before I ask another
10:05:33 question, I'll move that forward so we can get the
10:05:35 ex officio out of the way, if that's okay.
10:05:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
10:05:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: There is a motion by councilman
10:05:42 Suarez, second by Mr. Miranda, any discussion?
10:05:45 Yes, councilman Reddick.
10:05:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: [microphone not on]
10:05:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Your mike.
10:05:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: There are some concerns that need
10:05:57 to be addressed, and I was hoping that
10:06:00 Ms. Montelione was here.
10:06:05 >> With the permission of the chair, I can go
10:06:09 backwards and ask my other question first which
10:06:11 has to do with the other members.
10:06:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
10:06:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If that's okay, before I go forward
10:06:16 with the motion, maybe I can ask the other
10:06:18 question because he has very significant questions
10:06:20 about the ex officio members.
10:06:23 I'd rather us get some other questions out of the
10:06:26 way first before we go into that deep discussion,
10:06:28 if that's okay.
10:06:29 I'll table my motion is what I'm saying.
10:06:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
10:06:39 I also have some concerns about moving forward on
10:06:45 ratifying the ex officio seats.
10:06:48 I believe that they should apply and all of the
10:06:55 applications.
10:06:55 The process has been for us to -- I know we have
10:07:00 the Ybor and the appointments.
10:07:07 There were no other.
10:07:08 But I do believe that on this one with the
10:07:13 organizations, there were more than eight that
10:07:16 applied.
10:07:16 Is that correct?
10:07:17 Or just eight?
10:07:19 >>JEANETTE FENTON: No.
10:07:20 There are eight designated ex officio seats.
10:07:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: How many applied for the eight
10:07:24 seats?
10:07:26 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Those are not -- they fill out
10:07:28 an ex officio application, but their respective
10:07:32 organizations decide who will be the member
10:07:36 representative.
10:07:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: How many filled out?
10:07:38 What was the total organizations?
10:07:40 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Eight were the ones that we
10:07:43 proposed when you approved the structure.
10:07:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I see the eight.
10:07:49 My question is, was there more than eight
10:07:52 organizations that wanted -- that applied?
10:07:57 >>JEANETTE FENTON: There was not an application
10:07:59 process for the organization.
10:08:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
10:08:01 The form.
10:08:02 Only eight?
10:08:04 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Only eight.
10:08:05 We -- I should say, identified West Tampa specific
10:08:11 organizations that met four criteria, and those
10:08:16 were the ones we put forth as the eight
10:08:18 recommended ex officio organizations.
10:08:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:08:22 >>JEANETTE FENTON: It wasn't open -- there was not
10:08:24 a public process that said any organization that
10:08:26 wants to be considered as an ex officio, please
10:08:29 apply.
10:08:30 No, that was not the way it was handled.
10:08:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: With the four criteria, it was
10:08:34 only eight that met the four criteria or only
10:08:36 eight that -- I'm trying to --
10:08:39 >>JEANETTE FENTON: I'm sure there are other West
10:08:41 Tampa organizations that meet that criteria.
10:08:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
10:08:45 Thank you.
10:08:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to clarify, Madam
10:08:48 Chair, what you're saying.
10:08:49 There are more than eight individuals that
10:08:52 applied; however, eight were chosen of those
10:08:58 organizations.
10:08:59 I think the question was, how many individuals
10:09:01 applied within the eight organizations?
10:09:03 Was there just one in each, five in each or one in
10:09:06 five?
10:09:07 I don't know.
10:09:08 >>JEANETTE FENTON: For the ex officio, it is not
10:09:11 an application process.
10:09:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand that.
10:09:13 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Those organizations that were
10:09:15 identified as going to have the ex officio seats,
10:09:19 they submit their individual.
10:09:22 You don't have people vying for those.
10:09:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think what the chairperson is
10:09:27 trying to get to, do we know how many applied
10:09:29 within the eight organizations.
10:09:32 >>JEANETTE FENTON: No.
10:09:33 That's strictly handled within the organizations.
10:09:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And that was the question I have.
10:09:40 Let me hear from our members.
10:09:42 Ms. Montelione.
10:09:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
10:09:44 Going down that same road --
10:09:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: I think going to address what I
10:10:00 wanted to say.
10:10:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I trust that you did a
10:10:04 thorough, you know, look-see in the area.
10:10:08 You've been in the area a long time.
10:10:10 You've worked the area a long time.
10:10:11 I'm sure you know of the organizations.
10:10:14 So I wanted to preface that before I say, I think
10:10:22 what we need to do is have an open process, to say
10:10:27 we have an open process for all the individual
10:10:29 seats.
10:10:29 I think that notice should go out, and I think
10:10:32 that it should be published in publications that
10:10:36 are prominent in West Tampa or in the area.
10:10:40 I mean, even placards in storefront windows, if we
10:10:44 have to.
10:10:46 But to say we are beginning a community advisory
10:10:52 committee for this new CRA.
10:10:55 Any and all organizations who are interested in
10:10:59 participating in the CAC make application, and
10:11:03 then you cull through the applications to see who
10:11:07 meets the four criteria that you have set.
10:11:10 So that way, it's a wider net, and individuals who
10:11:19 belong to organizations will not be able to say
10:11:24 well we didn't even have the chance to apply.
10:11:26 So opening up the process and being more inclusive
10:11:34 to all of the organizations who exist within the
10:11:36 boundary and it is a fairly large boundary, so I'm
10:11:39 sure there are a lot of organizations.
10:11:41 I don't want to say it would be more fair but I
10:11:48 think it would be more open of a process to have
10:11:50 them apply to us rather than the city selecting
10:11:54 the organizations that we feel are appropriate.
10:12:00 >>JEANETTE FENTON: If I may to seek clarification,
10:12:02 first, let me also say each of the ex officio
10:12:06 organizations did provide information to confirm
10:12:09 that they met the criteria.
10:12:12 So we do have that.
10:12:13 The clarification that I would request -- and this
10:12:15 is also for my colleagues in the other CRAs --
10:12:21 most of us have ex officio seats.
10:12:24 This process that you are contemplating as far as
10:12:27 having ex officios apply, are you limiting that to
10:12:31 West Tampa?
10:12:32 Or would that apply -- because, for instance, in
10:12:34 Drew Park, we have ex officio seats.
10:12:37 Those organizations did not apply.
10:12:39 They were, again, identified as being significant
10:12:43 organizations and determined to be ex officio when
10:12:46 we created that CAC, and I think that was the same
10:12:51 on some of the other CRAs.
10:12:53 Is this being restricted to the West Tampa CRA or
10:12:56 we should do this for all CRAs?
10:13:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, West Tampa is the one
10:13:02 we're talking about for right now.
10:13:03 Right now, we're dealing with West Tampa.
10:13:05 But I would say when the next CRA comes up for
10:13:08 election or for renewal, then we need to look at
10:13:13 the process in each of them as we go forward.
10:13:17 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Okay.
10:13:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Councilman Reddick.
10:13:21 Thank you for being patient.
10:13:23 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Madam Chair.
10:13:24 Who determines which organization that was
10:13:32 significant in West Tampa?
10:13:34 >>JEANETTE FENTON: That was a judgment that I made
10:13:37 based on, as you heard, my work in the area and
10:13:42 organizations that I saw had been active and
10:13:44 engaged in doing things in the community to
10:13:47 improve the community.
10:13:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: Do you have any documentation
10:13:51 that each one of these organizations had a meeting
10:13:54 and had a selection process for choosing who will
10:13:57 be selected?
10:13:58 >>JEANETTE FENTON: I have -- to respond, you had
10:14:10 asked -- I should say, member Capin at the last
10:14:14 meeting had asked for minutes from the various
10:14:17 organizations.
10:14:17 I did follow up with each organization and
10:14:23 reviewed their minutes.
10:14:24 There were a couple of organizations that did not
10:14:28 provide minutes, per se, but provided, I would
10:14:32 call, documentation of their activities in the
10:14:36 community.
10:14:37 Some were meetings, some were different types of
10:14:40 activities.
10:14:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, since you brought that up
10:14:44 and I wasn't going to say anything, now that you
10:14:46 brought it up, then they don't meet the criteria
10:14:49 to be considered because we requested minutes.
10:14:51 We didn't ask for no documentation of activities.
10:14:54 I mean, I can put up a poster in West Tampa saying
10:14:58 we're going to have a rally and turn that into
10:15:01 you.
10:15:01 We wanted and we requested actual minutes.
10:15:06 Now, if they didn't present you those minutes,
10:15:09 they should not be considered.
10:15:10 I hope you identify those organizations, so I
10:15:13 definitely would not vote for them today.
10:15:15 Two, do you know -- do you have documentation that
10:15:23 these organizations had a meeting and at their
10:15:28 meeting, they had a voting process where they
10:15:31 selected the individuals that were chosen to -- on
10:15:39 this ex officio board.
10:15:41 Do you have documentation --
10:15:42 >>JEANETTE FENTON: No, not as far as their ex
10:15:44 officio, we do not.
10:15:47 We leave that to them and their process.
10:15:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: You don't have no verification
10:15:50 what -- that the person that was selected was
10:15:54 chosen by the organization, that organization?
10:15:57 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Oh, yes, we do.
10:15:59 The form, the ex officio application form, one of
10:16:03 the differences between the general application
10:16:05 form and the ex officio, there is a signature line
10:16:08 that certified someone from the organization has
10:16:11 to certify that that person is indeed their
10:16:14 representative.
10:16:14 So we do have that documentation.
10:16:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, it seems to me we've got
10:16:21 some concerns here, and I think seriously we
10:16:26 should take this process -- table this process
10:16:31 until we get further questions resolved because
10:16:34 this is -- this is -- I want to see documentation
10:16:38 and I'm particularly concerned about those who did
10:16:41 not submit minutes since that was requested.
10:16:44 I want to see documentation that the
10:16:48 organization -- who signed off on the information
10:16:51 you say was sent -- was submitted to you with the
10:16:54 person's name on there?
10:16:56 Did the president of the organization --
10:16:58 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Yes.
10:16:58 Most of the time, I have to go back and look, but
10:17:01 most of the time it was the president of the
10:17:03 organization.
10:17:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.
10:17:05 Well, you know, I had a meeting with you
10:17:11 yesterday, at first I was not going to say
10:17:14 anything but since some of these questions came
10:17:17 up, you know, I explained at our previous meeting
10:17:26 about the process and about these organizations.
10:17:33 And I'm thankful that our chair, Councilwoman
10:17:39 Capin requested the minutes.
10:17:41 Are you at liberty now to say what organization
10:17:44 that they are not -- that did not turn in minutes?
10:17:49 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Yes, sir.
10:17:50 The two organizations would be the West Tampa
10:17:52 community development corporation and the West
10:17:54 Tampa alliance.
10:17:56 Let me further clarify.
10:17:59 I did not ask for minutes from the three
10:18:02 Neighborhood Associations because those are
10:18:06 already registered with the city and certified as
10:18:09 organizations, so I did not request those entities
10:18:14 to provide minutes, because they have to -- they
10:18:16 have to be active organizations to be considered
10:18:19 on the neighborhood registry.
10:18:21 So we're talking about the five others, West Tampa
10:18:26 Alliance and West Tampa Community Development
10:18:28 Corporation.
10:18:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Madam Chair, I want to hear what
10:18:35 you have to say.
10:18:35 But I, too, believe and I feel strongly in making
10:18:41 a motion to table this process and not move
10:18:41 forward with this today.
10:18:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That being said, that's where I
10:18:50 was heading that we not take -- we have a
10:18:55 special-called workshop coming up right after
10:18:57 this, and everything that's been discussed here
10:19:00 can be brought up there and decided.
10:19:05 I agree that we can table this, particularly --
10:19:13 and I know you do due diligence, and I understand
10:19:18 that.
10:19:21 As the CRA board, we have an obligation to make
10:19:27 sure that we have heard from everyone.
10:19:35 And I think -- so if you're going to make a motion
10:19:38 to that, I won't make the motion to table it and
10:19:45 discuss the process at the workshop.
10:19:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a question.
10:19:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I didn't make a motion.
10:20:02 >>HARRY COHEN: I'll second yours to discuss it.
10:20:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So there's a motion on the
10:20:07 floor from councilman Reddick to table this
10:20:11 motion -- to table this discussion, selection of
10:20:13 West Tampa CRA community advisory committee.
10:20:16 Do you have a date --
10:20:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: To the next CRA meeting.
10:20:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: To the next CRA meeting.
10:20:21 The date of that is?
10:20:23 October 8th at 9 a.m.
10:20:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: [microphone is not on]
10:20:36 -- that the minutes will be presented by the next
10:20:38 meeting in October.
10:20:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: A second from councilman Cohen
10:20:45 for discussion.
10:20:46 I do have a question, Councilman Suarez.
10:20:49 I turn the gavel back over to Chair Capin.
10:20:55 I mean, Councilman Suarez.
10:20:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Quick question.
10:20:59 Is this a motion to table the entire slate, even
10:21:02 those that are not ex officio, or are we going to
10:21:07 move forward with the other at-large applicants
10:21:10 besides --
10:21:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: I was just looking -- the ones
10:21:22 that select three people?
10:21:26 >> Are we going to table those, too?
10:21:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: No, no. Just ex officio.
10:21:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Any other discussion?
10:21:39 We have a motion by Councilman Reddick.
10:21:42 Seconded by Councilman Cohen.
10:21:44 All in favor?
10:21:47 Opposed?
10:21:49 Passes unanimously.
10:21:49 We'll table.
10:21:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Chair, I would like to hear
10:21:57 from the members of the public who are here to
10:21:59 apply, I would like to hear them come up and make
10:22:03 a statement.
10:22:04 We do have 24 people who have applied and three to
10:22:08 choose.
10:22:08 Although we have all of the applications, I would
10:22:13 like to hear --
10:22:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a quick question.
10:22:16 Now that we're going to talk about these 24, I
10:22:19 have a couple of questions.
10:22:20 You put together a matrix, and like the movie, I'm
10:22:24 not sure I understand it.
10:22:24 The question I have, there are some people that
10:22:30 applied that say they are residents or business
10:22:32 owners that are not residents or business owners
10:22:35 within the district.
10:22:39 I think you put that down when you did a search of
10:22:42 their addresses that they are not residents of the
10:22:44 district.
10:22:44 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Right.
10:22:45 There is a column that asked if you are a City of
10:22:49 Tampa resident, and then there is a separate
10:22:51 column, which is your stakeholder, what we call
10:22:54 your stakeholder category as resident of the CRA.
10:22:59 And some of them that checked that were residents
10:23:01 of the CRA were not technically there.
10:23:06 They were very close or just outside, but they are
10:23:08 not residents of the CRA.
10:23:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.
10:23:10 And one of the questions -- and this goes back to
10:23:13 some of the ex officio discussion we had, which
10:23:16 is, there are very few that are actual residents
10:23:19 that are applying.
10:23:20 There's maybe four or five of the 24, if I'm
10:23:24 reading this correctly.
10:23:24 And that's part of my problem, which is there are
10:23:27 so many of them in there, I'm trying to get a
10:23:30 handle of it, because when we're talking about
10:23:32 just three ex officio, and then we're going to
10:23:35 look at eight that are -- it kind of confuses the
10:23:39 issue now.
10:23:40 I don't want to get upside down where we have less
10:23:42 residents or business owners that are on this
10:23:45 board as opposed to those that actually have a
10:23:50 stake in the district itself.
10:23:51 You see what I'm saying?
10:23:54 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Yes.
10:23:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: By calling it West Tampa CRA, and
10:23:57 in all of our minds, it's like more expansive and
10:24:00 less contracted when, in fact, it is a smaller,
10:24:02 much smaller area as to what we might
10:24:06 traditionally call West Tampa, it's a different
10:24:08 area.
10:24:08 That's why I want to make sure about it.
10:24:11 Did you explain to some of the applicants that put
10:24:14 down that they were residents of West Tampa CRA,
10:24:16 that they are really not when they put it
10:24:20 together?
10:24:21 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Well, we received the
10:24:22 applications after the deadline, and so then we
10:24:25 just -- we review for like obvious things that
10:24:29 might not be correct like residency and that sort
10:24:31 of thing.
10:24:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If you don't mind just for
10:24:34 clarification purposes for the people in the
10:24:35 audience instead of us explaining each and every
10:24:38 time, give us the boundaries of what the CRA is so
10:24:42 that they understand that they may be coming up to
10:24:45 us and speaking that they may not be either
10:24:47 business owners or residents of the CRA.
10:24:48 And that we do give some weight to residents and
10:24:52 business owners, if you could.
10:24:53 >>JEANETTE FENTON: Happy to.
10:24:55 The northern boundary is Columbus Drive.
10:24:57 The southern boundary is Kennedy boulevard.
10:25:00 The eastern boundary is the Hillsborough River.
10:25:04 And the western boundary is Armenia.
10:25:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:25:08 I appreciate that.
10:25:08 Thank you, chair.
10:25:09 Appreciate your time.
10:25:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:25:11 Anyone else?
10:25:12 Then we'll proceed to the applicants for the three
10:25:21 positions.
10:25:22 If any applicants are here and would like to
10:25:25 speak.
10:25:25 >> First of all, I'm speaking because I waived --
10:25:28 I was going to speak at the citizens public
10:25:33 comment.
10:25:34 Now after what you've said, even though I'm not
10:25:37 part of the three, I still need to speak.
10:25:39 Okay?
10:25:40 I want to speak on that behalf.
10:25:43 Is that okay?
10:25:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, please.
10:25:46 >> Joe Robinson.
10:25:47 I am the vice-chair of the West Tampa CDC.
10:25:49 We're one of the people that was called out about
10:25:52 the organization about minutes.
10:25:56 We've been around since 1999.
10:25:58 -- where we had a vote for who would be the
10:26:07 representative for the West Tampa CDC.
10:26:09 So we have minutes for that.
10:26:11 As far as minutes we asked for, we provided
10:26:15 information from a legal standpoint.
10:26:17 The articles of incorporation.
10:26:18 What we've been doing in the community for the
10:26:20 last five areas, and that should suffice because
10:26:25 we started with active, inactive.
10:26:27 We've done work with the city.
10:26:28 Built houses with the city.
10:26:31 We've done a lot of work.
10:26:32 The other CRA areas didn't have this group.
10:26:38 They just came up with whoever would be the ex
10:26:40 officios, and that was it.
10:26:43 It wasn't opened up to everybody.
10:26:45 I don't have a problem opening it up to everybody,
10:26:47 but it sends a bad message to the community that
10:26:50 you've approved a structure, and now that
10:26:53 structure is going to be tampered with.
10:26:55 That is a bad message because at the meetings,
10:26:58 Jeanette was clear, the city was clear, any
10:27:02 organization in West Tampa, the meetings over at
10:27:06 the Martin Luther King center, any organization in
10:27:10 West Tampa, if you want to be included, if you're
10:27:12 not part of that eight, please show up at the CRA
10:27:16 meeting and ask to be added.
10:27:18 That was already done.
10:27:19 That's already done.
10:27:22 They have a recording of it.
10:27:23 It was already open up to any organization in West
10:27:26 Tampa, if they didn't like the eight, they could
10:27:30 go down to the meeting, back in July, hey, I don't
10:27:34 agree with that structure.
10:27:35 We want to be added.
10:27:37 I don't know if that was done.
10:27:38 I don't know if those organizations appealed.
10:27:40 But it was publicly announced.
10:27:43 It was announced several times.
10:27:44 The draft of how the structure would be didn't
10:27:46 happen overnight.
10:27:47 It was done very methodically and very fairly.
10:27:51 Okay?
10:27:51 So if you all want to go back and revisit that
10:27:55 that's fine.
10:27:55 But it sends a bad message to the community, that
10:28:04 there is some behind-the-scenes type of
10:28:05 opportunity.
10:28:06 Maybe Mr. Reddick was sick and didn't attend the
10:28:09 July meeting where he could have expressed that.
10:28:11 So I understand maybe it was voted on in his
10:28:16 absence.
10:28:16 That's fine.
10:28:17 What I'm saying, to do now, have all the people
10:28:21 come, including myself, even though ex officio is
10:28:24 sort of disingenuous.
10:28:26 And we're getting started off on the wrong foot.
10:28:29 I just want to caution you that, okay, do what you
10:28:33 want to do, but it sends a bad message.
10:28:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:28:37 Next.
10:28:40 >> Good morning, Council.
10:28:42 I'm KC Bowick, President and CEO of the Tampa Bay
10:28:48 Black Chamber of Commerce here in Tampa.
10:28:50 I agree with everything that Mr. Robinson just
10:28:59 stood here and asked you and said to you just now.
10:29:03 I agree with the whole thing.
10:29:06 Now, I have a question.
10:29:08 And that question is, I was under the impression
10:29:14 that this was for the West Tampa boundaries to
10:29:20 serve on this CRA.
10:29:21 I was not aware that it was for someone that lives
10:29:25 in Jackson heights or progress village or
10:29:29 somewhere in those areas.
10:29:31 I thought it was for the West Tampa community.
10:29:36 If I'm wrong, then let me know, and then we can
10:29:42 move from there.
10:29:45 But like Mr. Robinson said, this sends a bad
10:29:49 message to the community about what was said to be
10:29:53 done and what has been done, and what is going to
10:29:56 be done.
10:29:57 Thank you.
10:30:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:30:02 Anyone else?
10:30:02 Seeing none, we proceed with the advisory
10:30:09 committee appointment applications.
10:30:13 Anyone that's applied that wants to speak, please
10:30:16 come up.
10:30:16 Let me call you up.
10:30:21 I'm sorry.
10:30:21 Let's do that.
10:30:22 Mr. Arnaldi here?
10:30:32 No.
10:30:32 Stephen Beachy.
10:30:33 That would be more organized.
10:30:40 Thank you for that.
10:30:41 >> My name is Steven Beachy.
10:30:44 4333 Bayside Village Drive.
10:30:47 In your matrix there, I was not able to check that
10:30:53 I'm a resident of the City of Tampa, however I
10:30:56 have lived here 20 years and been a resident until
10:30:58 about nine months ago.
10:30:59 Now I moved about a mile outside the city lines.
10:31:02 So I want to be clear on that.
10:31:03 I own a property in the CRA on Pine Street, and
10:31:09 I'm currently in the process of renovating.
10:31:11 So that's kind of -- I know you've got a lot of
10:31:14 people here that are well connected to this
10:31:17 community.
10:31:18 Mine is not so much but I plan to live there at
10:31:24 some point in time when I can.
10:31:26 The other thing is that my background, I'm a city
10:31:31 planner by training and most of my professional
10:31:33 life in that area and worked as a community
10:31:38 planner previously for Hillsborough County and
10:31:40 also in the private sector.
10:31:41 I think that there are so many things going on
10:31:43 here in this CRA that I think are -- can be really
10:31:47 positive.
10:31:47 And I would be very excited to be a part of that
10:31:51 and bring my experience to that.
10:31:54 I know you've got a lot of people you have to --
10:31:59 and you have to evaluate who can be the best
10:32:00 member at what they bring.
10:32:02 I really would like to emphasize that, as to what
10:32:05 I can bring to this CRA, the CAC.
10:32:07 Thank you.
10:32:10 It would be an honor to serve.
10:32:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:32:12 Damien Beal.
10:32:25 >> Thank you.
10:32:26 My name is Damien Beal.
10:32:27 I am also not a resident of the direct West Tampa,
10:32:32 but I do live at 2212 Ridgewood Avenue in
10:32:36 Ridgewood Park, which is right across the bridge
10:32:38 from West Tampa.
10:32:41 I work for the housing authority in West Tampa on
10:32:43 Union Street, and we run a program called
10:32:47 YouthBuild, which pretty much we take kids 16
10:32:51 through 24 in the community of West Tampa and the
10:32:54 City of Tampa, and we give them the assistance
10:32:56 that they need, whether it's education, job
10:33:00 skills, training, whether it's direction or
10:33:03 mentorship.
10:33:04 I guess my interest is in -- I deal with the
10:33:09 residents of West Tampa on a daily basis as well
10:33:13 as the things that would go on in the West Tampa
10:33:16 CRA directly and indirectly affect me because of
10:33:21 where I live which is right on the other side of
10:33:22 the bridge.
10:33:23 I am not a Tampanian. I apologize.
10:33:27 I moved here but I do have an interest on what's
10:33:31 going on in Tampa.
10:33:32 I think what I bring to the table is because I've
10:33:35 lived in several different cities, I can bring
10:33:40 knowledge from things they have done in those
10:33:42 cities to Tampa to better the West Tampa area.
10:33:44 And I thank you for your time.
10:33:46 Von have been thank you.
10:33:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:33:52 Next is John Bowden senior.
10:33:54 >> Good morning.
10:34:09 John A. Bowden senior.
10:34:10 3012 Riverwood Drive.
10:34:14 However, I have property 1009 [ inaudible ] --
10:34:17 Avenue, Tampa, 33607.
10:34:25 As usual I had written something and then I went
10:34:27 this way and went that way.
10:34:29 First of all, four words that I mentioned at the
10:34:44 10th meeting still persists to stay on my mind.
10:34:48 Those words are shenanigans, chicanery, bamboozle
10:34:55 and --
10:34:58 As I'm sure you know, we are concerned about
10:35:01 preserving our culture in our community.
10:35:03 While coalescing with all to make West Tampa, the
10:35:08 City of Tampa and the Tampa Bay area the greatest
10:35:11 place in the USA.
10:35:12 We are well on our way thanks to you and to Mayor
10:35:20 Buckhorn.
10:35:21 Today, however, I am here to address item number 7
10:35:28 on the agenda.
10:35:30 At the end of the last CRA meeting, councilman
10:35:33 Reddick expressed his concern of the process in
10:35:47 having the establishment of the West Tampa
10:35:50 community advisory committee.
10:35:51 Subsequently, councilwoman Capin stated that there
10:35:57 was a need for a workshop.
10:36:00 In conjunction with both chair persons, my review
10:36:04 of today's agenda raised some questions concerning
10:36:09 application for the West Tampa CAC.
10:36:12 All those questions could be alleviated if there
10:36:15 was congruency of the two applications.
10:36:19 Why are there more questions on the at-large
10:36:25 application than there are on the ex officio
10:36:31 application?
10:36:31 Some of the questions missing from the ex officio
10:36:34 application should be pertinent to your decisions.
10:36:39 For this reason, I request a continuance.
10:36:45 Finally, I would like to reiterate what the
10:36:51 gentleman from the Tampa Heights CRA said at a
10:36:57 past CRA meeting so eloquently expressed
10:37:05 concerning treatment of certain cultures.
10:37:12 Thank you.
10:37:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:37:16 Herman Broxton.
10:37:32 >> Good morning, City Council.
10:37:33 Councilman Reddick.
10:37:36 My name is Herman Broxton.
10:37:37 4201 Union Street in the West Tampa area.
10:37:42 I'm very interested in being on this board because
10:37:47 of the plethora experience I bring to workforce
10:37:50 development.
10:37:51 I think it's important that we make sure that the
10:37:54 community is involved in workforce development and
10:37:58 bring training opportunities and experience.
10:38:04 I've done work support.
10:38:05 I've also done job fairs and also on-site
10:38:08 recruitment in the area.
10:38:10 Candidates actually come and get jobs.
10:38:14 I think jobs is essential to economic impact.
10:38:19 Actually, I did a job fair a few years ago, and it
10:38:24 was almost five hundred dollar -- five hundred
10:38:26 thousand dollar impact to the West Tampa
10:38:32 community.
10:38:32 I think that's also something that's essential for
10:38:33 us.
10:38:34 I'm passionate about our community.
10:38:36 I have worked here as a teacher and also high
10:38:40 school coach in the West Tampa area.
10:38:42 I've been working with young folks, but the most
10:38:45 important thing is training opportunity --
10:38:48 training opportunities for the 21st century,
10:38:51 getting them ready.
10:38:52 I think my experience in the workforce development
10:38:54 would bring some opportunities in that area.
10:38:57 That would be my sole purpose being on the board,
10:39:03 make sure that residents are getting the
10:39:05 opportunity for the high skill, high-wage
10:39:08 positions.
10:39:09 Thank you.
10:39:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:39:12 Next, Thomas Castellano. I don't see him either.
10:39:17 Not here.
10:39:19 David Gallon.
10:39:35 >> Good morning, Council.
10:39:37 My name is David Gallon.
10:39:38 I'm the residents council president for North
10:39:41 Boulevard Homes, which is in the area for being
10:39:45 redeveloped in West Tampa.
10:39:47 I am a resident of the West Tampa area.
10:39:50 I've been living in West Tampa for about 15 years.
10:39:53 For the last ten years, I have served on the
10:39:56 resident council board for the Tampa Housing
10:39:57 Authority.
10:39:59 I wanted to just give you, as the president of the
10:40:02 resident council, I wanted to give you guys a sort
10:40:06 of purpose of what we do over at North Boulevard.
10:40:10 The purpose of North Boulevard Home Resident
10:40:12 Council is to ensure that all public housing
10:40:15 residents in local residential communities have
10:40:17 equal and fair opportunities to receive resources
10:40:22 and goods and services to low-income and moderate
10:40:25 families, to engage with those families on a
10:40:29 consistent basis to give informative information
10:40:31 about the resources that will be beneficial to
10:40:34 them and their households, to actively be involved
10:40:37 with those benefits and agencies that have direct
10:40:41 access to provide such resources as job
10:40:44 opportunities and training to city residents and
10:40:48 North Boulevard home residents, to specialize in
10:40:52 and promote events that will serve as pillars to
10:40:56 unify our diverse communities, to plan and carry
10:41:00 out the succession of those events through
10:41:03 neighborhood liaisons, community leadership,
10:41:05 officers, and participating partners of our
10:41:08 organization.
10:41:08 To strive and focus on building a working and
10:41:14 formidable relationship between local communities,
10:41:17 law enforcement agencies, city officials and state
10:41:21 representatives.
10:41:22 To ensure that the working relationship through
10:41:25 partnership has a profound effect on building
10:41:28 community relations and communications as well as
10:41:29 promote peace through unification.
10:41:32 As president, that's what I focus on with the
10:41:39 Council, with the resident Council of North
10:41:41 Boulevard Homes and the surrounding communities in
10:41:45 the West Tampa area.
10:41:48 I just want to say I love being a servant to the
10:41:53 people, servant to the public, and that's what I'm
10:41:56 here to do.
10:41:57 That's my number one priority.
10:41:58 Thank you.
10:42:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:42:01 Next is Dr. Carolyn Hepburn Collins.
10:42:05 I don't see her here either.
10:42:08 Okay.
10:42:09 We go on to Frederick Harris senior.
10:42:13 Not here either.
10:42:16 Next, Marvin knight.
10:42:23 He left.
10:42:25 Okay.
10:42:25 He was here.
10:42:27 Carrie Kurt.
10:42:31 She left also.
10:42:35 Jeffrey Lieser.
10:42:47 >> My whole life it's been mispronounced.
10:42:51 No problem.
10:42:51 Good morning.
10:42:51 My name is Jeff Lieser.
10:42:54 I am the managing partner of a six-person law firm
10:42:57 in Tampa, Lieser Skaff Alexander.
10:42:58 My firm focuses on business and property
10:43:02 litigation.
10:43:04 The real property practice predominantly is
10:43:07 focused on construction lien work, code
10:43:11 enforcement issues.
10:43:13 In fact, one of our attorneys has appeared here
10:43:16 before.
10:43:16 We did not get the result we wanted, but I'm going
10:43:19 to move on from that.
10:43:22 Commercial eviction cases and construction defect
10:43:24 work.
10:43:24 I am also a resident of Tampa, a father of three.
10:43:28 I am a veteran, and a reserve judge advocate in
10:43:33 the army.
10:43:33 I have applied to be on the West Tampa CRA because
10:43:38 my law firm recently purchased an office building
10:43:42 at 403 North Howard Avenue just catty-corner from
10:43:47 the new JCC that's being developed.
10:43:49 Our law firm just purchased that in July and,
10:43:56 therefore, we have a vested interest in the
10:44:00 continued beautification and revitalization of the
10:44:04 West Tampa area.
10:44:06 In short, I believe that my background and my
10:44:13 qualifications make me uniquely qualified to serve
10:44:17 on the CRA, and it would be my honor to do so.
10:44:20 Thank you very much for your time.
10:44:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:44:24 Next, we have Brenda linsey.
10:44:27 I'm wondering if this is the Brenda linsey that I
10:44:34 was in home room with all through West Tampa
10:44:37 junior high.
10:44:39 I wish she had been here.
10:44:41 Anyway.
10:44:41 Okay.
10:44:42 We go on.
10:44:43 James McCarthy.
10:44:54 >> Good morning, CRA.
10:44:56 Jim McCarthy, 1317 West Woodlawn Avenue.
10:44:59 I live in Riverside Heights, which is technically
10:45:03 not within the CRA, but I consider myself a West
10:45:06 Tampa guy.
10:45:09 I've been a resident of Tampa since 1980.
10:45:11 I came from New Jersey to attend the University of
10:45:13 Tampa.
10:45:14 I've been here my adult life.
10:45:15 Like most, I've raised my family, my three kids
10:45:18 here.
10:45:19 And what kind of makes my skill set and makes me a
10:45:22 little bit unique is the fact that my professional
10:45:25 career in Tampa has been working for production
10:45:29 home builders.
10:45:30 I've applied my trade in eight counties in the
10:45:34 state of Florida.
10:45:35 When you're a public builder, you are out in
10:45:38 suburban market.
10:45:40 I got to the point where I just could not buy any
10:45:44 more dairy farms and orange groves.
10:45:46 My heart was tugging on me to focus my skill set
10:45:50 within the City of Tampa.
10:45:52 I've done that.
10:45:54 I no longer work for a big corporation.
10:45:56 I work for a local home builder here in Tampa, and
10:46:00 we've built over 26 homes within the CRA, in the
10:46:05 CRA in the last 18 months.
10:46:07 What's unique about that is fee simple ownership.
10:46:09 These are Mr. and Mrs. Jones that are bringing in
10:46:13 families.
10:46:13 And I really think my skill set is to be an
10:46:16 advocate of West Tampa.
10:46:18 I believe that the families are going to
10:46:21 appreciate the Tampa market within the urban core.
10:46:23 And thanks to your leadership, you're seeing
10:46:26 infill housing work, fee simple infill housing
10:46:31 work.
10:46:32 That's my story.
10:46:33 I understand financing.
10:46:35 I understand CRA.
10:46:36 I understand urban planning.
10:46:40 Another gentleman said workforce housing, all of
10:46:42 these are great skill sets.
10:46:44 Mine is a little bit unique.
10:46:46 The fact that I've had the experience within
10:46:49 housing.
10:46:49 I understand affordable housing.
10:46:51 I understand finance and more importantly I love
10:46:53 West Tampa.
10:46:54 Thank you for your consideration.
10:46:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you Audrey Perez.
10:47:08 >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:47:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
10:47:09 Thank you.
10:47:10 Kenneth Perry.
10:47:12 Brent Peterson.
10:47:18 >> Good morning, City Council.
10:47:23 My name is Brent Peterson.
10:47:26 I'm a Tampa native, born and raised.
10:47:28 I am a member of the North Hyde Park Alliance in
10:47:31 West Tampa in charge of their web design.
10:47:34 While I may not live within the CRA boundaries, my
10:47:37 family has been a major landowner within West
10:47:39 Tampa for the past 20 years.
10:47:42 My father's business is located on Cypress Avenue
10:47:45 in Fremont.
10:47:48 As such, I have grown up in and around the West
10:47:52 Tampa area my entire life and watched it grow into
10:47:54 what it is now.
10:47:55 I believe this opportunity is what I need to get
10:47:59 off of the sidelines and actually drive this area
10:48:02 forward and become a part of its growth, not just
10:48:04 watching it.
10:48:05 Yes, I may be young, but I have both the time and
10:48:08 the energy to fully commit to this advisory
10:48:11 committee.
10:48:12 Thank you for your consideration.
10:48:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:48:22 >> Good morning.
10:48:23 My name is Jeffrey Rhodes.
10:48:25 Both a resident of the West Tampa area, 1707 west
10:48:28 Beach Street and also a business owner in West
10:48:30 Tampa of the ray Williams funeral home located at
10:48:33 301 North Howard Avenue.
10:48:35 I've been in the West Tampa area for the past 35
10:48:39 years.
10:48:39 The funeral business is a very community-based
10:48:42 business as everybody would know.
10:48:44 That being said, I hear a lot of concerns and
10:48:48 issues of people in the community.
10:48:51 Also to add to that, I have served on two
10:48:53 appointed boards in the past, one being, the
10:48:58 Mayor's African-American advisory Council.
10:49:01 I was appointed to that board from 2007 to 2014.
10:49:05 And also, the Hillsborough County citizen advisory
10:49:11 committee from 2007 to 2011.
10:49:14 And I believe those experience that I have in
10:49:18 that, in those areas, will give me the insight and
10:49:21 knowledge to serve on the West Tampa CRA.
10:49:23 Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.
10:49:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:49:29 Next, John Rodriguez.
10:49:39 >> Good morning, CRA members.
10:49:41 My name is John Rodriguez.
10:49:44 I reside at 2311 west Cordelia Street, which is
10:49:49 actually two blocks north of the CRA boundaries.
10:49:52 I would hope this morning when you make your
10:49:56 consideration for who you want on this committee
10:49:59 that you look at the total package of each person
10:50:02 applying and how they best could represent the
10:50:07 interest of the West Tampa CRA.
10:50:09 I think that -- my background is such that I've
10:50:17 worked in this community for at least 15 years on
10:50:22 I guess a professional level, and my background is
10:50:28 that my family has been on Cordelia Street in West
10:50:31 Tampa for almost a hundred years now, and I'm
10:50:36 still there.
10:50:37 And my interests are certainly West Tampa's
10:50:43 interests.
10:50:44 It's not something -- it goes beyond my job that I
10:50:48 worked when I was working as a legislative
10:50:51 assistant for Rep Henriquez and then Rep Scionti
10:50:56 and Rep Cruz.
10:50:59 At that time, I was fortunate that I actually got
10:51:00 paid to do what I would have done if I didn't have
10:51:03 to work.
10:51:05 I really just want to urge you guys to understand
10:51:12 that a rising tide lifts all boats, but our job on
10:51:15 the CRA is to make sure that everyone has a boat
10:51:19 that is seaworthy, otherwise you wind up getting
10:51:22 swamped.
10:51:22 I worked with Joe on the West Tampa CDC since they
10:51:27 were founded back in 1999, and that's what we're
10:51:30 turning our focus to now is jobs for people in the
10:51:36 community.
10:51:36 And whether or not you choose me, I'm going to be
10:51:39 at the meetings.
10:51:40 I hope you will choose me because I like to
10:51:45 hope -- I like to think I can make a contribution.
10:51:50 Again, whoever you choose, look at all their
10:51:52 confidentials.
10:51:53 It would be a shame if you chose someone based
10:51:55 merely on geography rather than motivation and
10:52:00 ability.
10:52:01 Thank you.
10:52:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:52:03 Mr. Rodriguez, your family beat my family on
10:52:05 Cordelia Street by about 40 years.
10:52:08 60 years.
10:52:10 Sean Shaw?
10:52:13 No.
10:52:13 Dr. Bennie small.
10:52:15 Christopher Timmons.
10:52:32 >> Madam Chairman, members of the City Council, my
10:52:35 name is Chris Timmons.
10:52:36 I am actually new to Tampa.
10:52:37 I have been in Tampa for about two months, and I
10:52:42 am absolutely ready to jump in and do something
10:52:45 for the community.
10:52:46 I am a journalist by profession.
10:52:48 I am an editorial writer for context Florida and
10:52:52 Florida politics.com, which are very influential
10:52:55 new media concerns and state politics.
10:52:59 That's what I do for a living.
10:53:02 My expertise, of course, then is in politics and
10:53:04 public policy, and I have some pretty broad
10:53:08 knowledge of those things.
10:53:09 And I think that would be useful to you.
10:53:11 Also, I have a fresh pair of eyes coming from a
10:53:15 different area, Tallahassee, Florida, and also
10:53:18 being heavily involved in the community in
10:53:20 Tallahassee, Florida, where I served on the
10:53:24 library advisory board, the airport advisory
10:53:25 committee and the international affairs Council,
10:53:27 which managed the sister city programs in that
10:53:31 community.
10:53:32 So I bring enthusiasm.
10:53:34 I bring a sort of analytical skill set where --
10:53:39 since my work is largely in public persuasion, I
10:53:43 bring a heavy emphasis on research, analytical
10:53:48 decision making, and I think that will be of some
10:53:50 use, I hope, to you in this way.
10:53:53 Also, as the young man said, I also bring you
10:53:55 because I'm barely out of my 20s -- 30 now -- so
10:53:59 I bring that as well.
10:54:00 I bring enthusiasm and a fresh perspective.
10:54:02 Thank you so very much.
10:54:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:54:05 Eric Weaver.
10:54:09 >> Good morning, City Council.
10:54:10 My name is Eric Weaver.
10:54:11 I live at 2008 East Patterson Street.
10:54:15 That is not in West Tampa.
10:54:17 That is in northeast Seminole Heights.
10:54:18 I've been there for the 30 years.
10:54:23 I am a FEMA SWMM expert.
10:54:28 That's SWMM, Google that, it's Stormwater
10:54:31 Management Model.
10:54:33 When I first graduated from USF, I was lucky
10:54:35 enough to beta test the SWMM model for EPA when
10:54:39 the phosphate mine had the big spill in the
10:54:41 '80s.
10:54:42 So I became an expert on the model and redesigned
10:54:44 the phosphate plant.
10:54:46 And then I moved the Delaney Creek for the Brandon
10:54:50 Mall, and I moved Cypress Creek for the Citrus
10:54:54 Park Mall, and I cleaned up the flooding in Ybor
10:54:56 City for Seacrest, and I stopped the flooding in
10:54:59 Carrollwood Village.
10:55:01 What was the other one I did?
10:55:03 I've done a lot of stormwater work.
10:55:05 Now I'm sort of semiretired, and I went back to
10:55:10 school, and I'm watching my son graduate in
10:55:13 architecture next month and my daughter is a
10:55:16 schoolteacher here who graduated last year, and
10:55:20 I'm trying to give back to my community.
10:55:23 My interest in joining your committee is as a
10:55:27 stormwater expert.
10:55:28 I know we have some stormwater issues in Tampa,
10:55:33 and I think that having that extra piece on your
10:55:36 board would be a big advantage, especially if you
10:55:39 want to get out of the water.
10:55:42 That's my two minutes or minute and a half.
10:55:46 Thank you very much.
10:55:46 I look forward to working with you.
10:55:48 Have a great day.
10:55:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:55:50 Last, we have Tina Young.
10:56:06 >> Good morning.
10:56:07 My name is Tina Young.
10:56:08 I live at 351 Channelside Drive.
10:56:11 Yes, that's not in West Tampa.
10:56:13 I do work in West Tampa.
10:56:15 I am the Executive Director of Project Link.
10:56:18 We are housed at Just Service Center which is
10:56:23 behind Just Elementary School.
10:56:24 I've been there for 17 years.
10:56:26 Project Link has been there for 30.
10:56:28 We provide support services for families.
10:56:32 Our main goal is attendance.
10:56:35 We work with families, mostly in West Tampa, that
10:56:39 may be having some attendance issues with the
10:56:42 school district and behavior problems.
10:56:45 We do several outreach programs.
10:56:47 The back-to-school fair held at Blake High School
10:56:51 and other schools in the district.
10:56:54 I am on the Hillsborough County PTA Board.
10:56:58 I'm the VP.
10:56:59 And I do a lot of work with the families.
10:57:03 We do parent workshops, self-sufficiency
10:57:07 workshops.
10:57:08 A lot of outreach services.
10:57:09 So I work a lot with the families one on one, and
10:57:15 that's my expertise that I bring because we do a
10:57:19 lot of outreach, and we do a lot of hand in hand
10:57:23 with the families in West Tampa.
10:57:24 Thank you.
10:57:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
10:57:27 The name of your organization --
10:57:30 >> Project link.
10:57:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's an organization that's in
10:57:35 West Tampa?
10:57:37 >> Yes.
10:57:38 We're on the campus of Just Elementary School.
10:57:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The organization filled out a form
10:57:43 for the ex officio?
10:57:45 >> I was not aware of that.
10:57:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's 24 applicants.
10:57:56 Thank you.
10:57:56 There are 24 applicants.
10:57:58 Really, I may say that -- I'm sorry we only have
10:58:03 three spots because there are some really very
10:58:06 qualified people for this.
10:58:07 Councilman Cohen.
10:58:10 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you, Madam Chair.
10:58:12 I'm glad that you said that because there really
10:58:15 has been such a great quality of applicants for
10:58:17 these three positions, and this is not usually the
10:58:21 situation we find ourselves in.
10:58:26 Normally we don't have enough applicants for the
10:58:28 positions that exist.
10:58:29 What I want to say to everybody here today is, if
10:58:31 you're not chosen for this community advisory
10:58:34 committee, please give some consideration to
10:58:36 serving on one of the other ones in one of our
10:58:39 other CRA districts.
10:58:41 In some cases, we could really use the help, and
10:58:44 it won't be nearly as competitive to get on the
10:58:47 board.
10:58:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just a matter of procedure, we're
10:58:53 going to turn our ballots, because there are 24,
10:58:56 there's going to be a lot of people that get votes
10:58:58 that may not have enough votes.
10:58:59 Are we going to go so that we eliminate those that
10:59:03 have gotten no votes the first round and go from
10:59:05 there?
10:59:07 I assume that's what we're to do.
10:59:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Madam clerk or our attorney?
10:59:16 >>SAL TERRITO: No.
10:59:16 That would work.
10:59:18 If, like, eight do not get on there, then you have
10:59:21 16 to deal with and then another eight.
10:59:23 You'll have it at the end, may be a problem, same
10:59:27 three -- but you can do it that way, yes.
10:59:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm very aware of that three vote,
10:59:33 two vote, one vote.
10:59:35 [ LAUGHTER ]
10:59:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Been there, done that.
10:59:38 Yeah.
10:59:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.
10:59:40 Very good suggestion.
10:59:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: One other question, if that's okay.
10:59:43 I think, madam clerk, you might want to get a
10:59:46 couple more ballot sheets.
10:59:49 I think we're going to go through more than one
10:59:52 round, would be my guess.
10:59:55 >> You have two ballot sheets at your place and
10:59:58 then I have additional ballot sheets with me.
11:00:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
11:00:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We can start the budget
11:00:51 presentation, Mr. McDonaugh.
11:01:14 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Bob McDonaugh.
11:01:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Please understand, we're starting
11:01:18 but we may be interrupted.
11:01:21 >>BOB McDONAUGH: We had the budget presentation
11:01:23 last month, and there were some corrections that
11:01:25 were asked of me, and I have made them in the
11:01:28 documents.
11:01:28 What I'm asking for is the approval for the fiscal
11:01:37 year ending 2016 budget.
11:01:15 >> Any questions on the budget, the 2016?
11:01:32 We do have a workshop to discuss the budget coming
11:01:34 up.
11:01:35 So we have till October 1st.
11:01:43 >>BOB McDONAUGH: But we don't have another
11:01:47 meeting until after that date.
11:01:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's right, we don't.
11:01:51 We can have a special call.
11:01:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH: It looks great on the
11:01:56 presentation.
11:02:02 In terms of where are we should be in terms of our
11:02:05 budget numbers, are we doing -- is it a good year,
11:02:10 bad year, where are we at?
11:02:12 Have you seen a significant increase?
11:02:14 >> We have seen significant increases in several
11:02:16 of the CRAs, and some of them have -- downtown
11:02:23 specifically had the Channel District.
11:02:25 East Tampa came back from a very slow growth. A
11:02:32 couple of them are waiting on development.
11:02:34 So Central Park and the Heights are still status
11:02:38 quo.
11:02:39 And I believe Drew Park had a slight decrease.
11:02:48 And Ybor had a slight increase.
11:02:49 The thing that we are going to talk about if it's
11:02:52 an appropriate time is that I have asked Dr.
11:02:54 Robinson from Ybor to talk about the process.
11:02:57 Because each of the CRAs has really -- we can
11:03:03 start talking now about process -- is that, you
11:03:05 know, the groundwork is the strategic action plan
11:03:10 which is adopted by the community which targets
11:03:13 the goals of the specific CRAs, but we have
11:03:21 long-term goals.
11:03:22 And what happens on an annual basis --
11:03:24 >> Just a minute.
11:03:25 I am going to ask that all the council members be
11:03:28 present, if they can to please come out for this
11:03:37 budget presentation.
11:03:38 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Sure.
11:03:40 Continue.
11:03:59 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Again, the basic ground through
11:04:04 the strategic action plan, and that is a
11:04:07 community-developed plan about the goals and
11:04:10 aspirations of each of the CRAs so there's
11:04:15 actually a formal plan that is developed.
11:04:17 And many times Sal will be asked the legality of
11:04:21 spending on certain items, and the answer always
11:04:25 is, is it in the plan?
11:04:27 So that's basically the guidebook or the road map
11:04:31 that's developed for each of the CRAs.
11:04:33 And each one is different because each one has
11:04:35 very different needs.
11:04:37 Ms. Saul-Sena talked earlier about the Channel
11:04:40 District.
11:04:41 That was an industrial area which is now being
11:04:43 converted into a mixed use, which is very
11:04:46 different from Drew Park, as an example, which
11:04:50 still is a light industrial manufacturing area.
11:04:53 East Tampa being largely single-family homes.
11:04:55 It's different from downtown which has a
11:04:58 preponderance of commercial development.
11:05:00 So each has a strategic action plan.
11:05:03 And that's the baseline.
11:05:05 Then on an annual basis, a budget is developed
11:05:09 based on the strategic plan and the anticipated
11:05:13 funding.
11:05:13 And the last two years have been a little bit of a
11:05:17 challenge because of the great decrease in
11:05:20 property values prior to us getting certified tax
11:05:25 roll from the property appraiser.
11:05:27 Each of the CRAs is unsure of exactly --
11:05:30 generally we would know, we have a fair estimate
11:05:33 of how much we were going to have.
11:05:34 The last two years really has had great dramatic
11:05:39 changes.
11:05:39 We had East Tampa at one point which had several
11:05:42 million dollars, actually go down to zero.
11:05:48 So basically we begin that.
11:05:49 We have our aspirations laid out in the strategic
11:05:52 action plan.
11:05:52 Then we get an idea in June about what the funding
11:05:56 will be.
11:05:56 And then each of the boards will start to meet and
11:05:59 talk about how do we achieve the goals in our
11:06:02 strategic action plan?
11:06:04 It's a grassroots discussion.
11:06:05 The community is involved in that and exactly how
11:06:10 the money is spent.
11:06:11 And that is then what is brought here to the CRA
11:06:13 board.
11:06:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:06:15 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: City clerk.
11:06:36 We have one member receiving four votes and we
11:06:42 have three others receiving three votes.
11:06:45 And the other ones received one vote.
11:06:48 So the only person receiving four votes is Jeffrey
11:06:55 Rhodes.
11:06:55 The other individuals receiving three votes
11:06:58 include Kenneth Perry, Marvin Knight and David
11:07:05 Gallon.
11:07:06 And from the other individuals, Steven Beachy
11:07:09 received one vote, John Bowden one vote, Herman
11:07:14 Broxton one vote, Tom Castellano, one vote, Jeff
11:07:21 Lieser one vote and John Rodriguez one vote, Steve
11:07:28 Shaw one vote, and Tina Young one vote.
11:07:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.
11:07:37 Thank you, council members, for returning.
11:07:39 I guess we will -- do we have the form?
11:07:45 >>SAL TERRITO: Yes, and I would suggest that Mr.
11:07:47 Rhodes would be the one, so we have three more
11:07:51 members so we can make two more selections and
11:07:55 narrow it down to that because we already have
11:07:57 three votes on those three.
11:08:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let me ask.
11:08:02 Is that okay with eliminating the ones that have
11:08:05 one vote?
11:08:07 >>SAL TERRITO: That decision is all up to you how
11:08:09 you want to vote.
11:08:11 >>HARRY COHEN: We have 4 and 3.
11:08:17 >> Individuals with four votes include Mr. Jeffrey
11:08:20 Rhodes.
11:08:20 The three include Kenneth Perry, Marvin Knight and
11:08:27 David Gallon II.
11:08:32 >> And my only suggestion is Mr. Rhodes got four
11:08:40 votes.
11:08:40 He would be one of the members selected at large.
11:08:42 We have two more we need to select. We have three
11:08:45 candidates.
11:08:45 I would suggest that we go forward with those
11:08:47 three.
11:08:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:08:51 >>SAL TERRITO: That's perfectly legal if you want
11:08:56 to do it that way.
11:08:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is everyone in agreement?
11:08:58 I want to ask that.
11:09:00 Everyone okay with that?
11:09:01 Okay, then we will move forward in that direction.
11:09:07 >> Congratulations, Mr. Rhodes.
11:09:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We pick two of those three.
11:09:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:09:29 >> Madam Chair?
11:10:16 We can have Dr. Robinson talk a little bit about
11:10:19 the process in Ybor City.
11:10:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:10:21 But let me point this out.
11:10:23 We have a workshop on the budget.
11:10:24 And he's part of the workshop on the budget.
11:10:27 We are looking at the budget now to possibly
11:10:30 approve it.
11:10:38 I think we have the cart before the horse.
11:10:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Okay.
11:10:42 Dr. Robinson has to leave and I thought it would
11:10:45 be helpful --
11:10:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That will be perfect.
11:10:47 That will be fine.
11:10:48 Everybody okay with that?
11:10:50 Yes.
11:10:50 >> Shawn Robinson, Ybor City, Development
11:10:56 Corporation vice chair.
11:10:58 Just to give you a summary of how the process
11:11:01 worked in Ybor City, we have been meeting since
11:11:03 April in different committees, budget, as well as
11:11:07 our priorities.
11:11:08 Each year we put together a list of priorities
11:11:10 based on the different committees that are part of
11:11:12 the YCDC.
11:11:14 There is a district marketing committee, a retail
11:11:17 arts and events committee, public safety, parking,
11:11:21 planning and infrastructure.
11:11:23 Each of those committees put together a list of
11:11:25 priorities, and they vet them through those
11:11:28 committees which are open to the public and we do
11:11:30 have several non-board members that are on each of
11:11:33 those committees.
11:11:33 Once those priorities are set by the committees,
11:11:36 they are brought to the full board for approval,
11:11:40 and then also to make sure that there's no overlap
11:11:42 between the different committees.
11:11:44 This year we instituted an Executive Committee
11:11:46 which is comprised of the chairs and co-chairs of
11:11:49 each of those committees as well as the officers
11:11:51 of the YCDC.
11:11:53 And what they do is act as a steering committee to
11:11:55 make sure that again there's no overlap, best use
11:11:58 of resources, and the priorities that overlap are
11:12:02 given focus to.
11:12:03 And this group met multiple times as well over the
11:12:06 course of the last few months.
11:12:08 We have had meetings with the board where the
11:12:11 budget has been reviewed on April 28th, and
11:12:14 June 23rd, as well as July 28th when the
11:12:18 board has reviewed both the priorities and the
11:12:21 budget based on new information as we got more
11:12:23 information about our funding, as well as
11:12:27 different committees have met multiple times as
11:12:29 well.
11:12:29 So that's essentially how the process worked in
11:12:32 Ybor City for the YCDC group.
11:12:36 Most opportunities for people to have input as
11:12:37 well as the priorities that are arranged in
11:12:41 priority order.
11:12:42 One of the new things that we did this year, so
11:12:45 that you know, we wanted to make a new focus on
11:12:47 economic development, and so for each of our two
11:12:51 CRAs for YC 1 and 2, we added a section for
11:12:56 targeted business incentive programs so that we
11:12:59 could focus more on not just maintenance, Ybor
11:13:02 City and keeping things nice but actually
11:13:04 approving and drawing more business to the Ybor
11:13:07 City area and promote wag we already did.
11:13:09 So that has been in addition to our budget this
11:13:12 year.
11:13:13 And I'll entertain any questions if that's
11:13:15 appropriate.
11:13:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Dr. Robinson.
11:13:18 I'm going to ask, since we have moved into part of
11:13:21 the workshop, part of that workshop were questions
11:13:31 from a couple of CRAs on the service agreement.
11:13:39 So can -- what I am looking at is, what I want
11:13:45 to -- I'm going to make a motion.
11:13:47 Thank you for that, Dr. Robinson.
11:13:49 I am going to go on and say for those who question
11:13:53 the service agreement, my analogy was HOA hire
11:14:03 services to run the HOA, and those services hire
11:14:08 and fire whoever does -- whoever they feel is
11:14:15 doing the work.
11:14:16 So when they questioned how this came to me, the
11:14:22 question how administrators of CRA are hired, that
11:14:25 was my analogy.
11:14:27 We have hired the city to administer the CRA, and
11:14:33 therefore it is the city that takes into
11:14:37 consideration who is hired and who is fired.
11:14:40 The only way other than that is to eliminate the
11:14:45 city as being the entity that runs the --
11:14:52 administers the CRA.
11:14:56 Not that I'm suggesting that by any stretch of the
11:14:59 imagination but I wanted to make it clear that in
11:15:05 my sometimes from what I looked at is how it
11:15:08 works.
11:15:08 We have agreed with the city to help run the CRA.
11:15:12 Therefore, the city, at the HOA service agreement,
11:15:18 that entity hires and fires who works for the
11:15:22 HOAs.
11:15:24 So is that analogy close enough?
11:15:27 >> That's correct.
11:15:28 You basically are hiring the city and company for
11:15:31 the final services.
11:15:33 They choose who will provide those services within
11:15:35 the organization.
11:15:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's the way I understood it and
11:15:38 I just wanted to make it clear, just to put it out
11:15:41 to the public for those that have questioned that
11:15:44 process.
11:15:45 Thank you.
11:15:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Are they paid out of the CRA
11:15:55 dollars or is the city paying for them?
11:16:00 >>SAL TERRITO: You don't pay for my services.
11:16:02 You don't pay for Sonya Little.
11:16:06 You get services from the rest of the city as
11:16:08 well, purchasing department, all of those services
11:16:11 are provided for you.
11:16:15 What you are paying for is all the managers of
11:16:20 those particular organizations, the staff people,
11:16:22 you pay for some, and you get others through the
11:16:25 city operations.
11:16:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: If we are paying a portion of
11:16:31 their salary, should we also participate in the
11:16:37 selection process, whether we approve or not?
11:16:41 >>SAL TERRITO: The way the organization is set up
11:16:43 right now, the contract you have is with the city,
11:16:47 not with the individual vendors.
11:16:49 I know what you are saying.
11:16:51 That's the way it is structured right now.
11:16:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, the contract can be amended
11:16:56 to include that.
11:16:56 >>SAL TERRITO: As long as the other parties
11:17:00 agreed to that. It takes two.
11:17:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Right.
11:17:04 And I think what has come about is we have got
11:17:16 Vince Pardo, for example, retired, and someone
11:17:20 selected from outside the state, and I know
11:17:29 personally -- I don't know of the others, but
11:17:32 received phone calls about are we aware that a
11:17:35 person they hired, and had no knowledge of the
11:17:44 person they hired.
11:17:46 So I'm wondering if -- we are the CRA board here,
11:17:56 and separate from the administration, if this
11:18:05 board has some input and practicality of the
11:18:08 selection process.
11:18:09 And, I mean, that's a simple question.
11:18:17 We are separate in this board.
11:18:19 And that's something I just throw out there.
11:18:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Anyone else?
11:18:25 I'm just going to -- yes.
11:18:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The agreement between the city
11:18:33 and the county -- the city and the county?
11:18:36 That's on my mind. But a whole other subject.
11:18:40 The agreement between the city and the CRA, how
11:18:43 long has it been in place, do you know?
11:18:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH: At least ten years.
11:18:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Generally speaking, things get
11:18:53 new contracts in the public realm, businesses
11:18:57 reevaluate from time to time the contract as it
11:19:01 stands at the times are and how it's working,
11:19:05 just, you know, kind of take an assessment.
11:19:08 And we haven't done that in probably ten years.
11:19:12 So I think possibly what we might want to do,
11:19:17 depending on how the other members feel, is at a
11:19:22 scheduled workshop of the CRA, which is a new
11:19:25 thing, which I think is a good thing, that we
11:19:28 discuss some of the terms of that agreement,
11:19:31 what's working, what's not, maybe even opinions
11:19:36 from people who have previously served the CRA,
11:19:38 because, you know, my knowledge, most members'
11:19:47 knowledge is not going to go back all ten years,
11:19:50 so there might be issues that may have come up
11:19:55 internally that we wouldn't have been aware of,
11:19:57 because they wouldn't have made the record or they
11:20:01 wouldn't have been discussed in public but there
11:20:03 were issues or concerns nonetheless.
11:20:06 So I would move that we, maybe at our next
11:20:12 meeting, set aside from time at a workshop to -- I
11:20:21 think October 8th maybe at 10:00, schedule a
11:20:26 workshop to discuss the conditions that are
11:20:33 contained within the agreement between the city
11:20:36 and the CRA for contractual services.
11:20:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have a motion from Mrs.
11:20:42 Montelione, seconded by Councilman Reed -- um,
11:20:45 Reddick.
11:20:52 >> What city are you in? (Laughter)
11:20:55 >> Councilman Reddick.
11:20:56 Any discussion?
11:20:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm from Mars and I want to
11:21:03 speak.
11:21:03 Let me just say this.
11:21:06 I think before we go any further, if what I hear
11:21:09 in my mind is coming about, I think before we go
11:21:11 any further you have to get a complete list of
11:21:13 what the costs are, complete, complete,
11:21:17 administration, the attorney, the finance, and
11:21:20 puts them all together to see.
11:21:22 If we are going to start picking here and there
11:21:24 what we want, what we don't want. That's what I
11:21:26 heard. I don't know if I am correctly -- maybe I
11:21:29 misunderstood what I heard.
11:21:31 And bring it before the total board what the cost
11:21:33 is with and without the administration.
11:21:38 I'm not going to support it because I don't have
11:21:40 those numbers before me.
11:21:41 And I don't want to set a workshop unless I have
11:21:44 numbers before me.
11:21:45 I don't do business that way.
11:21:48 And I'm not against anything, but I'm also not for
11:21:52 anything until I understand what I am doing.
11:21:54 And right now, it's cloudy at best as to what the
11:21:58 expenses are and what the benefits, cost ratios
11:22:03 are versus the change in whatever we want to do.
11:22:05 That's all I want to say, Madam Chair.
11:22:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:22:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We do have what the competition is
11:22:13 now. I don't see that's an issue.
11:22:15 The way of CRA as far as performance we act like
11:22:19 any other City Council that does not have a mayor.
11:22:22 We contract, you know, for Bob for a better term
11:22:29 city manager, he gets to run things and we get to
11:22:31 decide on certain things.
11:22:33 Don't have a problem with the city being
11:22:35 contracted with us for services because I agree,
11:22:38 and Mr. Miranda was getting at this, which is we
11:22:41 receive a lot of service was no cost whatsoever
11:22:44 that we probably won't receive otherwise.
11:22:46 But I think that there is a real concern, you
11:22:50 know, if there is going to a hire, then maybe we
11:22:53 should have some role in approving that hire.
11:22:56 I don't think that's a problem, and I don't think
11:22:59 there would be any issue with that.
11:23:00 And I think that may be part of the workshop
11:23:02 discussion that we will have.
11:23:05 You know, I don't think we are trying to throw the
11:23:07 baby out with the bath water.
11:23:09 I think maybe there's a better way of being part
11:23:12 of that decision-making process.
11:23:16 Thank you, chair.
11:23:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:23:18 Councilman Reddick.
11:23:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.
11:23:24 I think the point I was making had nothing to do
11:23:30 with the attorney, the finance person.
11:23:32 I was speaking totally in general about the
11:23:37 managers, CRA managers, and the selection process
11:23:42 and their role.
11:23:45 But I'm not talking about the administration.
11:23:49 I don't even go there.
11:23:53 So attorneys and the finance people, budget
11:23:57 people, water people, I'm not even talking about
11:24:00 them. It's strictly the managers.
11:24:05 And that process.
11:24:08 And I don't think there's a problem just taking a
11:24:12 look at the contract, if there's anything we need
11:24:17 to change, improve it.
11:24:18 >>BOB McDONAUGH: May I make a clarification?
11:24:21 The person that's being referred to is a former
11:24:24 employee of the Tampa Chamber of Commerce.
11:24:25 The Clearwater Chamber of Commerce.
11:24:27 Former employee of the city of Clearwater, and
11:24:30 Pinellas County and currently owns a home in
11:24:32 Pinellas County.
11:24:33 So the dispersion as to this outsider that was
11:24:39 brought in I don't think is quite accurate.
11:24:41 I know how people have labeled things.
11:24:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for the clarification.
11:24:46 Councilman Cohen.
11:24:47 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.
11:24:50 I actually have to leave.
11:24:52 And I just wanted to make the comment that I don't
11:24:55 ever think that there's a danger of bringing
11:24:58 things to a workshop to flesh them out so we can
11:25:02 get more information.
11:25:03 And with that, I think where I heard Mr. Miranda
11:25:08 going, though, is that we need to understand the
11:25:12 full expenses and costs across the board, what we
11:25:18 get from the city, what we have control over
11:25:20 paying for.
11:25:21 So the more information the better.
11:25:26 Ten years is a long time and it definitely worth
11:25:29 looking at when we are talking about, you know,
11:25:31 ten different discrete communities throughout the
11:25:34 city. That's my take.
11:25:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, Mr. Miranda.
11:25:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If that's added to the motion
11:25:43 that's on the floor, I have no objection.
11:25:45 But I want to know the full ramification of costs
11:25:47 and so forth.
11:25:48 >> Add to the statement.
11:25:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That motion that was made
11:25:56 about the discussion.
11:25:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The motion I made was that we
11:26:00 set aside a workshop time at the next meeting
11:26:02 which is October 8th at 10 a.m. to discuss the
11:26:06 contract between the CRA and the city and the
11:26:10 terms contained therein.
11:26:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: That's all of it.
11:26:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's the motion I made.
11:26:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH: If I may make a suggestion I
11:26:17 will endeavor two weeks prayer to that to get you
11:26:21 a partial estimate of exactly what it is you are
11:26:23 paying for and what services you receive that you
11:26:27 do not have to pay for.
11:26:29 I have something if you would just give me a
11:26:32 second to show you.
11:26:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, we have the results.
11:26:38 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: CRA members, Shirley
11:27:00 Foxx-Knowles, city clerk.
11:27:02 The individuals selected include Mr. Marvin Knight
11:27:05 and Mr. Kenneth Perry.
11:27:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:27:12 Congratulations and welcome aboard.
11:27:15 Before you continue with that, and maybe this is
11:27:18 where you are going, when I looked over the
11:27:21 budget, our entire budget, there was a list of
11:27:28 services that were provided that were not charged.
11:27:35 I saw that list.
11:27:37 It is there.
11:27:39 >>BOB McDONAUGH: There's not a monetary number
11:27:43 associated with that.
11:27:43 Also not addressed is the fact that -- we talked
11:27:51 about this.
11:27:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I also want to make a point here
11:27:54 that we are looking at approving the budget and
11:27:56 the service agreement for 2016, today.
11:28:01 I also want to point out that the service
11:28:04 agreement that we have, the administration of the
11:28:12 CRA was correct in hiring -- and that's the
11:28:18 contract that she had for 2015.
11:28:20 Therefore the hires --
11:28:24 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Per our service agreement.
11:28:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Correct, right.
11:28:28 Thank you.
11:28:28 >>BOB McDONAUGH: As a quick aside, you can see on
11:28:32 here salaries by general fund, the percentages of
11:28:36 salaries picked up by general fund, and in each
11:28:40 case there's no person 100% that does work in the
11:28:46 CRA paid strictly by the CRA.
11:28:48 The city does pick up quite a bit of costs.
11:29:01 There are a couple unfinished pieces of business.
11:29:04 One would be the approval of the budget.
11:29:06 >>SAL TERRITO: We have a motion on the floor.
11:29:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have a motion on the floor.
11:29:11 The motion by Councilwoman Montelione, seconded by
11:29:19 Councilman Reddick.
11:29:22 All those in favor?
11:29:25 Opposed?
11:29:26 Carries unanimously.
11:29:28 We will have a workshop on this.
11:29:30 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I'm also asking for approval of
11:29:33 transfer of funds to a construction account,
11:29:37 neighborhood infrastructure project in the
11:29:38 downtown CRA.
11:29:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: So moved.
11:29:42 >> Second.
11:29:42 >>BOB McDONAUGH: If I could, could I get some
11:29:45 clarification, please?
11:29:48 Is the board asking that we go out and publish --
11:29:52 solicitation for neighborhood organizations within
11:29:55 the West Tampa CRA to make application for -- by
11:30:05 the CRA board to the West Tampa CAC?
11:30:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And what we are going to discuss
11:30:11 in the workshop, that was part of it.
11:30:13 >>SAL TERRITO: Right now, you have already made
11:30:16 your decision.
11:30:18 Before you do that, you have to unmake that
11:30:20 decision.
11:30:22 Right now membership is what it is.
11:30:23 You are looking at accepting the membership
11:30:27 appointees to that board.
11:30:28 Right now -- you may want to change it but before
11:30:33 you change it --
11:30:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: What we did was table it.
11:30:36 Okay.
11:30:37 >>SAL TERRITO: You did it a while back, or
11:30:43 approved the organization.
11:30:45 If you want to change that, you have to rescind
11:30:47 that resolution and bring a new membership in.
11:30:51 Soliciting someone now, there's no person.
11:30:57 That's all I'm saying.
11:30:58 You may want to look at that issue and decide if
11:31:02 you want to do that.
11:31:03 But rescinding your previous motion.
11:31:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have meld the CRA meeting with
11:31:15 the workshop.
11:31:16 So --
11:31:22 >>SAL TERRITO: All I'm saying, I think it's
11:31:25 premature.
11:31:27 You have to undo it before you can ask for more
11:31:30 memberships.
11:31:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:31:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would move to have rescind
11:31:39 the resolution so that he can go out because that
11:31:44 just kicks the can further down the road, and it
11:31:46 will take longer to get this board seated and get
11:31:49 them working.
11:31:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.
11:31:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I second that.
11:31:53 I agree with of that wholeheartedly.
11:31:55 However I want to make sure whatever organization
11:31:58 applies including those that already applied also
11:32:00 have to, before be considered, have to have the
11:32:03 minutes of those organizations in the record.
11:32:06 I think that was brought up by Mr. Reddick.
11:32:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: A friendly amendment.
11:32:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
11:32:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have a motion to rescind, and
11:32:14 in the same motion we are asking -- sorry, I
11:32:21 didn't understand it.
11:32:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The motion was just to rescind
11:32:24 the ordinance of the previous -- I'm sorry, not
11:32:30 ordinance, resolution.
11:32:34 So I move to rescind the resolution that we
11:32:39 previously passed and accept Councilman
11:32:46 Miranda's --
11:32:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's contagious.
11:32:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Accepting the friendly
11:32:53 amendment.
11:32:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:32:55 We have a motion by Councilwoman Montelione,
11:32:58 seconded by Councilman Miranda.
11:33:00 All those in favor?
11:33:03 Opposed?
11:33:04 Carries unanimously.
11:33:06 Now we can move on.
11:33:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So you have your instructions
11:33:11 to go out and solicit.
11:33:12 If I may make one observation.
11:33:18 About the process, and the organization of the
11:33:21 individuals that were or will be part of the CRA
11:33:25 membership, CAC membership.
11:33:28 >>SAL TERRITO: To interrupt again, the
11:33:33 organizational representation.
11:33:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I understand that, Mr.
11:33:39 Territo. Let me make my statement before you make
11:33:42 any corrections of what I am going to say.
11:33:49 Some of the people that were just elected put down
11:33:53 on their applications that they are members of
11:33:55 organizations that were identified as ex-officio.
11:34:02 That gives me a concern, because we were only
11:34:06 selecting three individuals.
11:34:08 And it wasn't my intention to have individuals who
11:34:14 not only are representing themselves but also are
11:34:18 part of an organization that has another seat, so
11:34:21 it affects what you are doing is giving that
11:34:24 organization two seats.
11:34:29 When we first discussed this whole membership of
11:34:33 this board, I had concerns -- and I think
11:34:36 Councilwoman Mulhern was here at the time -- I
11:34:40 think she had concerns as well about how the
11:34:42 organization would have eight seats and the
11:34:44 individuals would only have three, but in effect
11:34:47 what we just did is if the same organizations are
11:34:52 selected or apply and are approved as ex-officios,
11:34:56 then you have got more than one person
11:34:59 representing the same organization on the board.
11:35:03 And that is a concern of mine.
11:35:05 Because then it's weighted.
11:35:09 And I was hoping that we would get individuals who
11:35:12 were not part of or identified as having seats or
11:35:17 participants in any of these boards.
11:35:18 And I was hoping we would get individuals outside
11:35:21 of those organizations to participate on the CAC.
11:35:27 That's my concern.
11:35:33 Does that -- I think going forward we need to keep
11:35:39 that in mind.
11:35:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH: All I can say is we had a series
11:35:44 of public meetings.
11:35:44 They were well publicized.
11:35:46 We put the placards out.
11:35:48 We put signs out.
11:35:49 Everyone was invited.
11:35:52 I think when you are talking about a place like
11:35:54 West Tampa, where people are interested in active
11:36:00 there's a very good chance they are being in the
11:36:03 CAC, and are probably a member of one of these
11:36:05 organizations, whether it's the CDC or whether
11:36:07 it's the West Tampa chamber or one of the
11:36:09 neighborhood organizations.
11:36:11 It's very difficult --
11:36:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, we have a lot of
11:36:15 residents.
11:36:16 It's a big area.
11:36:17 There are a lot of citizens and there were a lot
11:36:18 of people whoever applied that aren't members of
11:36:20 any of those or at least didn't put down that they
11:36:23 were members of any of those organizations.
11:36:25 Just saying we have alternatives.
11:36:27 And it was pointed out, one of the applicants is
11:36:32 the Executive Director for 17 years of an
11:36:34 organization that's existed in West Tampa for 30
11:36:36 years and didn't know about the ex-officio
11:36:41 statuses of organizations.
11:36:43 So thinking there are organizations that we may
11:36:46 have missed.
11:36:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I don't know what to tell you.
11:36:53 I mean, we advertised.
11:36:55 We had a series of public meetings.
11:36:59 I think that our public outreach was very strong
11:37:01 and robust.
11:37:03 And the fact that -- and I'm not sure if that
11:37:06 organization was project something.
11:37:11 I will have to see if that's part of the
11:37:14 Hillsborough County school district.
11:37:15 I'm not certain if it's a separate entity or not.
11:37:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, she's stated in her
11:37:22 application she's the executive director so I
11:37:23 would imagine it's a separate organization because
11:37:24 the school district only has one executive
11:37:28 director.
11:37:28 >>BOB McDONAUGH: They have other entities.
11:37:31 But I will find out.
11:37:33 >> [Off microphone.] A nonprofit organization.
11:37:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And there's got to be a way
11:37:42 that nonprofits are identified as being active in
11:37:45 an area so they can be notified.
11:37:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Councilman Suarez, please.
11:37:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, chair.
11:37:54 I agree with the sentiment of Councilwoman
11:37:56 Montelione.
11:37:57 But I do think that of the three gentlemen that we
11:38:01 selected, only one is part of a group that was
11:38:04 part of the ex-officio members.
11:38:07 I think that was Mr. Perry is part of the West
11:38:09 Tampa CDC.
11:38:10 I don't think that the other two gentlemen
11:38:12 selected were part of any of the other
11:38:14 organizations, in their application.
11:38:18 I may be wrong.
11:38:19 I think there was only one person.
11:38:21 I agree with you, though, when we do these types
11:38:23 of boards, we should be careful that if there is a
11:38:26 membership, you know, that we kind of -- go to
11:38:33 your organization and see if they will select you
11:38:35 as the member representative as opposed to doing
11:38:37 it in that large -- they still have the right to
11:38:41 come forward and ask to be put on as at-large
11:38:45 member but it doesn't guarantee anything.
11:38:46 But I agree with what you were saying,
11:38:48 Councilwoman.
11:38:49 Thank you, chair.
11:38:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: All right.
11:38:52 Anyone else?
11:38:58 The budget -- still dealing with the budget,
11:39:01 correct?
11:39:02 >>BOB McDONAUGH: The budget was approved.
11:39:05 And we are now going to have a workshop in October
11:39:07 on the service agreement.
11:39:09 Correct?
11:39:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would say check with the
11:39:11 clerk because I don't think we approved the
11:39:13 budget.
11:39:14 The motion I made was not --
11:39:16 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I stand corrected.
11:39:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So I will make a motion.
11:39:21 I'll move that we accept the budget as presented.
11:39:23 >> Second.
11:39:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Budget and service agreement.
11:39:27 We are approving the budget.
11:39:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because we have the service
11:39:33 agreement to come back in a workshop.
11:39:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I wanted to clarify.
11:39:36 That motion by Councilman Montelione, seconded by
11:39:41 Councilman Suarez.
11:39:42 No further discussion?
11:39:43 Then all in favor?
11:39:47 Opposed?
11:39:48 Carried unanimously.
11:39:49 Thank you very much.
11:39:50 I would like to ask one more thing at the
11:39:53 workshop.
11:39:54 One of the things that was brought up to me was
11:39:57 alternate for the CAC, because they felt that if
11:40:04 they had all their members -- a lot of these
11:40:08 members have businesses, obligations, and we don't
11:40:12 have that, so that might be something that we
11:40:17 would consider.
11:40:17 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Okay.
11:40:19 Sure.
11:40:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:40:24 I think that's all I have.
11:40:25 Anyone else want to add anything to the workshop?
11:40:27 I think we have done a thorough job.
11:40:33 Then we have approved the budget.
11:40:35 The service agreement is workshop.
11:40:40 So we move on to number 9 which is downtown
11:40:42 Community Redevelopment Agency, CRA program
11:40:45 change.
11:40:45 >>BOB McDONAUGH: And I believe you might have
11:40:48 voted on unless I am mistaken.
11:40:50 >>THE CLERK: Madam Chair, Jim Crew, city clerk's
11:40:54 office.
11:40:55 I believe there was a motion made by Reddick-Cohen
11:40:57 to move that.
11:40:58 I'm not sure if it was voted on with all the
11:41:00 discussion.
11:41:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:41:03 >> Number 9.
11:41:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Just for clarification, all those
11:41:08 in favor?
11:41:10 Opposed?
11:41:12 Carries unanimously.
11:41:13 Thank you very much.
11:41:14 For bringing that up.
11:41:22 It's been moved to receive and file by Councilman
11:41:25 Reddick, seconded by Councilman Suarez.
11:41:27 All those in favor?
11:41:28 Opposed?
11:41:30 Carries.
11:41:35 We are adjourned.
11:44:23
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