TAMPA CRA MEETING
Thursday, September 10, 2015
9:00 a.m. Session

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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
09:05:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Calling this CRA meeting to order.
We have the invocation, Mr. Miranda.
09:05:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
This morning, I'm proud to introduce Mr. Steve
Michelini to say the morning prayer to the CRA.
Please remain in your seats while he talks to you.
Mr. Michelini, appreciate it very much.
Please remain standing for the invocation also and
the Pledge of Allegiance.
09:05:45 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
Dear Lord, we ask for your
blessings and your comfort for the Elkino Watson
family.
We ask for strength so that you might achieve
great things and the Lord gave us weakness so we

might learn humility.
We ask for power so that others might recognize
us.
The Lord gave us losses so that we may feel the
power and the need for his guidance.
We ask for riches so that we might comfort
ourselves.
The Lord gave us poverty so that we might learn
that no matter what we have, others have less.
Never forget that you can make a difference.
Maintain your faith and courage.
They are fundamental elements that will sustain
you.
Look for the best in others, and you will find it
in yourself.
Strive for excellence, instill hope, empower the
right, vanquish the wrong.
When the time has come, the Lord will answer your
prayers according to wisdom of his own divine
providence.
We ask for your blessings and protection for the
armed forces, the police, fire rescue, civil
servants, elected officials, and teachers, in your
holy name, amen.
[pledge of Allegiance]

09:07:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Roll call.
09:07:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Here.
09:07:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Here.
09:07:11 >> Reddick?
09:07:14 >>HARRY COHEN:
Here.
09:07:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Here.
09:07:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Here.
09:07:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Present.
Okay.
We're going to start with staff report and our
monthly report.
09:07:26 >> Good morning.
As is our custom, we have a representative from
one of the community CACs.
Today we have Abbey Ahern who represents the
Channel District.
09:07:43 >>Abbey Ahern:
Good morning, all.
I'm Abbey Ahern, as Mr. McDonaugh mentioned,
representing the Channel District CRA advisory
this morning.
We said a sad farewell to Mr. Hatchett this month
and welcomed the new CRA manager, Rob Rosner.
We're excited to have him.
I'm sure he'll be up soon.
In addition to the big plans that the port has

going on and the Channelside Bay Plaza has, the
advisory remains focused on achieving the
neighborhood vibe and attending to each resident's
concern.
We get quite a few residents coming to each of our
meetings, which we strongly encourage.
Over the last few months, we've successfully
improved landscaping and sidewalk connections
around 11th Street and working on several other
sidewalk connections, including those on 12th.
Some are temporary.
Some are permanent, as there's still quite a bit
of construction going on and new development.
We're improving and/or eliminating parking in
several of the right-of-ways, specifically along
11th Street and Channelside Drive.
We're also working to identify and establish
additional bike share locations throughout the
district, which is really exciting.
Phenomenal job.
We are planning to update the neighborhood signage
and look forward to the construction starting on
Madison Street Park.
We continue to look for opportunities to keep our
parks looking their best.

Washington Street could use a little love.
Improve electric streetcar service, extending the
hours, and reducing fares and headways.
Extending the InTown trolley service into the
district and improving code compliance.
Lastly, providing some crosswalk and pedestrian
safety amenities for crossing specifically at
Channelside Drive and Kennedy.
Overall, we're delighted with the continued growth
in the neighborhood and in the district.
That's my report.
Does anybody have any questions for me?
09:09:43 >> Ms. Ahern, how old is your baby?
09:09:46 >> 11 and a half months.
09:09:48 >> Are we expecting a birthday party over at the
Greco Streetcar Station?
09:09:53 >>Abbey Ahern:
Can we coordinate with the annual
streetcar festival?
09:09:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's up to you.
I know how much you love the streetcar.
You already had a wedding there.
You might as well have the first birthday there.
09:10:05 >> He was there within a month of his birth.
I'm sure he'll be back there soon.
09:10:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
You should arrange that.

I think that would be great.
Thank you, chair.
09:10:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for a fine report.
09:10:16 >>Abbey Ahern:
Thank you.
09:10:21 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Good morning.
Bob McDonaugh.
Before I start, last month, we ended our meeting
on a sad note by saying good-bye to Michael
Hatchett and Vince Pardo, although Vince is still
here, I don't quite understand that.
[ LAUGHTER ]
Anyway, today, I would like to take the
opportunity to introduce to you the two folks who
are taking their positions.
First, Rob Rosner.
Rob, if you would come up and say a few words.
09:10:59 >> Good morning.
I'm Rob Rosner.
I'm Michael Hatchett's replacement for the
Channelside District downtown, Central Park and
Tampa Heights.
I recently came from Panama City, Florida, where I
managed multiple CRAs there for the past five
years.
I'm excited to be here.

Do you have any questions?
09:11:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Welcome.
Anybody?
Okay.
Not yet.
09:11:29 >> We like to go easy on the first day.
09:11:33 >> Little does he know.
09:11:36 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
What rob did not mention by
education and profession, he's also a landscape
architect.
Now, again, no one will fill Vince's shoes, we
know that.
Courtney, please, if you would come up and
introduce yourself.
09:11:55 >> Good morning.
I'm Courtney.
I'm Vince's replacement.
As Bob said, I will never be able to fill his
shoes but I'll try very, very hard.
I'm honored and enthusiastic to be here.
I feel so blessed to have been chosen the person
to pass the torch from Vince.
I look continue to continuing the successes he and
his chief achieved over the last several, several
years.

I look forward to keeping that continuity and
making Ybor City a great place, a safe environment
and a place that people want to come to.
Thank you for the opportunity.
09:12:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Any questions?
Like before, they'll be coming.
09:12:42 >> Thank you.
09:12:43 >> What Courtney did not mention is that she has
experience in downtown areas and urban areas with
the city of Clearwater, Pinellas County, and up in
Indiana.
And she also has experience with CRAs.
Both of the people are well qualified.
But going into an update on some of the things
going on, we'll start with Ybor.
They are still sweeping up after Vince Pardo's
retirement party.
They'll have that cleaned up by this weekend.
An important thing today, you'll be asking for
your votes for the Ybor nominating committees,
recommendations for their board.
You have a list of those folks.
Something to put on your calendar, the FRA annual
meeting is going to be in Tampa this year, and
it's going to be from October 21st and 23rd.

If you have not received invitations, you will be.
As tradition has it, the CRAs will be paying for
your admission to those.
Especially important this year is the number of
our CRAs will be receiving awards from the FRA
for either some of the programs they have or some
of the construction projects they have done.
On your calendar, as long as you've got it out,
Friday night, there is a fund-raiser, a wine
tasting at the Tampa Theater, one of our
institutions and certainly fun to support.
That's from 8 to 10.
And I want to thank you for your support in
helping us attract Johnson & Johnson to our
community.
As you might remember, we did an incentive
package.
It was relatively expensive, but again we got 500
very well-paying jobs.
They signed the largest least to date of this
year.
They are going to hidden river, which is within
the city limits.
They will be employing up to 500 people.
It's a nice coup, nice name brand for our

community.
09:14:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Just to be absolutely
completely clear, they did not relocate within a
CRA area.
09:14:49 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
That's correct.
09:14:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
They are in district 7, yay,
yay.
09:14:55 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
This is new to Tampa.
It is a shared services facility.
And if you'll recall, that is similar to
Bristol-Myers Squibb.
They did the same thing, as did a very large
international law firm did a shared services
office.
You know, apparently how things go through waves
in corporations where they do consolidations and
then break them up.
Again, it seems like we're in a consolidation mode
where shared services, where they have accounting,
HR, and purchasing all put together in one place,
and they service all of their different locations.
This is Johnson & Johnson doing it here in our
community.
It's a very welcome thing.
Next on our agenda, we have Mr. Territo who will

give us background --
09:15:55 >>HARRY COHEN:
Before you go to that, I wanted to
ask you about the construction on the streets
around the Straz center, if you could sort of give
us a quick update on what's going on over there.
The broadway season is starting in about two or
three weeks, and I just wondered what the schedule
of work is that's being done over there.
I know that the reconfiguration has started.
09:16:18 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
The city's plans will be done by
the end of this month.
The last time I checked, which was a couple of
weeks ago, the city's work will be complete.
There will not be any work done on the development
site.
They are working with the Straz right now, and I
think they are talking about February after the
last big show.
09:16:37 >>HARRY COHEN:
In other words, all this road
construction that's going on right now is going to
wrap up in the next month or so.
09:16:43 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
That's correct.
09:16:44 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you.
09:16:45 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Again, everything has been tied
to the broadway series.

So the folks that aren't familiar with that, that
is an annual series of plays and musicals that the
Straz brings from the broadway and attracts a very
large group of folks.
It is a very profitable thing for the Straz and
very important for our community.
When we schedule construction and activity around
it, we always try to work around that specific
season.
09:17:13 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thanks.
09:17:14 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Yes, sir.
09:17:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Moving on, anything else?
09:17:22 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
No.
Thank you.
09:17:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
Thank you.
Mr. Miranda.
09:17:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Are you the same individual
that I know because you look a little different?
[ LAUGHTER ]
09:17:33 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Well, shortly after our last CRA
meeting, I was sent to a work camp to change my
ways, so they cut my hair off.
09:17:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
You finally got work in?
09:17:44 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I didn't say that.

I mended my ways.
09:17:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I see.
I thought you were a new replacement for yourself.
09:17:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I asked for a Miranda cut.
09:17:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Anyone else want to comment?
[ LAUGHTER ]
Seeing none --
09:18:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
One other thing, Madam Chair,
on the bottom, it says Council member and I don't
want this ballot to be challenged in any way.
I think it should say CRA member down here.
I'm not sure.
09:18:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I think that's correct, right?
Next, attorney Sal Territo is going to report to
us on the findings of the legality of the
technology on the sunshine board.
09:18:38 >>SAL TERRITO:
If I may, I would like to address 3
and 4 on the legalities of them.
4 is the easiest one.
There's no reason you couldn't do a GoToMeeting
if that's what you want to do.
The only restriction, if you were the City Council
sitting doing a quasi-judicial hearing, you
couldn't do it because then people would have to
be sworn in and can't do that over the phone

easily.
A GoToMeeting type of thing where you have
people calling into you during the public comment
period, there's no reason why you can't do that
technologically if you can do that.
09:19:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
That's good to know.
Any questions on that?
09:19:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I guess we just need to discuss
when it would be appropriate, if and when we'd
want to use that option for the public to
participate.
09:19:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Maybe we can discuss that during
our workshop period.
That ghost turns off my mike.
09:19:41 >>SAL TERRITO:
The other item is a little more
complicated because it requires more steps.
Can it be done, this is a sunshine meeting, having
basically a sunshine meeting where everyone is not
in the same location.
There are five or six steps that you have to go
through.
First, let me apologize to Dr. Spiro because I
indicated last time that we may not have to have a
more vigorous way of identifying people.

He graciously went and made changes.
Our research indicated that may be an issue.
Let me get to that and you'll have an opportunity
to speak, if you need to.
Marcy Hamilton, who is really our specialist on
public records and sunshine meeting, the consensus
seems to be among the legal community and among
the Attorney General's office that the meetings
cannot go for more than two hours.
You can't have a 24-hour thing.
It's too difficult to keep track of what's going
on for a long period of time.
If you want to do something like this the meeting
would be limited basically to two hours, and
that's the consensus.
09:20:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The meeting is limited to two
hours or the comment period?
09:20:56 >>SAL TERRITO:
You could have a meeting longer
than that, but the problem, it's a sunshine
meeting and everyone is not present.
The indication is, you shouldn't have it more than
two hours because you're going to have eight or
ten or twelve hours long, you don't know who is
coming and who is leaving.
You don't know if you have a consensus.

The consensus seems to be that the meeting itself
should be limited to a two-hour period of time if
it's done remotely.
09:21:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Where did the two hours come
from?
09:21:27 >>SAL TERRITO:
Attorney General opinion, case law,
discussion with people who have dealt with the
issues before.
It was a general consensus.
Again, these things are not written in stone, but
they are saying -- I'll give you an example, there
are examples where courts have looked at things
and said 30 days is okay, but 60 days is not okay.
You say why is 30 days okay but not 60 days.
There's not an easy answer on that.
But the consensus seems to be among people we've
talked to who specialize in Sunshine Law saying
two hours and the Attorney General seems to agree
with that, the two-hour limitation on the
meetings.
09:22:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The two hours is flexible.
If it's two hours and 15 minutes or two and a
half.
09:22:09 >>SAL TERRITO:
Correct.
The issue would be if it goes to eight hours --

two and a half hours, there's no clear consensus,
but the consensus seems to be two hours is
reasonable.
More than two hours may not be reasonable.
09:22:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Most of our meetings and I
would imagine most of the subcommittees or the CRA
advisory board meetings are probably within that
window.
09:22:34 >>SAL TERRITO:
We're talking about the advisory
boards themselves not being present in the room
together.
If they are all there together and people want to
call in, you would have such a restriction.
09:22:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm saying as a general rule,
they are probably not much more than two hours in
general, unless there is a hot topic on the
agenda.
09:22:53 >>SAL TERRITO:
Maybe not allow the call-ins to be
more than that period of time and then you
wouldn't have the issue.
09:23:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Got it.
09:23:06 >>SAL TERRITO:
You have to have designated
locations for people to call in from.
There's talk about maybe you'll use the libraries.
Well, to use the libraries, you have to make sure

the computers are available at the library because
if someone else is using them, then you can't call
in.
If you can't call in, what are you doing, you're
restricting the public's access to the public
meeting because they won't have access to a
computer.
There has to be access for the public to call in.
Has to be at a location.
Some people can't use computers, which is another
problem, if they can't call in because they don't
know how to use a computer.
There was talk about we supplying them.
You could supply the computers if you want.
That is a very expensive undertaking.
So the thought was, normally if you don't have a
computer at your home, you go to a library but it
must be available to people.
One of the biggest issues is going to be it's got
to meet the ADA requirements.
If someone wants to go to the library and use the
computer, how do they access it if you don't have
somebody there to monitor for the ADA?
In effect, having the meeting has to meet the same
standards as the meetings we have here.

We have ADA access.
We have all of the provisions available.
When you do it remotely, it gets to be more of a
problem, not illegal, not bad, but more of a
problem to make sure you have access for all these
particular provisions.
09:24:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Your first sentence.
I think you read it from there, on this particular
subject that you just brought up.
About location.
09:24:39 >>SAL TERRITO:
-- contain the designated locations
for members of the public to use if they do not
have access to a computer.
If you're a member of the public and you have
access from home, it's not a problem.
If you do not have access, then we put a notice
out, we'll have a public meeting.
It will be done through the Internet, and here are
locations that you may go to to access the meeting
if you don't have a computer at home.
Normally that would mean libraries or places like
that.
If it's going to be library, you have to make sure
that those computers are set aside for the
meeting.

Otherwise, if there's someone sitting there and
they are using it, you don't have access to it.
Plus, then the other issue is, what if they need
ADA compliance?
What if they are in a wheelchair or unsighted?
How do you deal with those issues?
Again, same thing here.
Here we have facilities for that.
People that can deal with that.
If it's being accessed through the Internet, those
become an issue, not that you can't do it, they
become an issue because you have to address those
kinds of issues.
09:25:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Well, with that statement, I would
think if you have the computer at home, that's
convenient.
But if you're sending them somewhere else, what's
the difference of coming to the meeting?
09:25:56 >>SAL TERRITO:
I know you have a problem, if
you're up in North Tampa somewhere, heavy traffic
and rather do it from the library, but you have
to -- but the notice must contain, we'll be
holding a public meeting.
The public meeting will be from 10:00 to 12:00 on
this particular day.

If you do not have a computer, here are locations
where you can access the computer.
It has to be that kind of a notice.
The minutes of the meeting must be taken.
One of the issues that came up with this is that
the minutes will be basically the text going back
and forth.
That has been found not to be sufficient.
There has to be minutes of the meeting taken as
well.
Again, there's nothing wrong with what they are
talking about here, but there are issues you have
to deal with.
09:26:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Madam Chair, if I may.
09:26:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Yes, of course.
09:26:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
What's the difference between
the text, the responses and the questions that are
typewritten in and minutes?
If you compile all of the text, how would the
minutes differ from a compilation of the text?
09:27:12 >>SAL TERRITO:
Here, people watch this on
television.
This is recorded.
Those are not considered to be the minutes for
this meeting.

The minutes of the meeting is what's happening by
the clerk.
They are putting the minutes together.
Texts going back and forth are not considered to
be the minutes.
That's how it's been defined.
How we can break that down, even here, our video
of this meeting is not considered to be the
official minutes.
The minutes are what's taken down by the clerk.
That's what the law says.
09:27:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
If somebody takes all the text
and compiles them into the format of minutes,
that's all that would need to be done.
There wouldn't be anything extraneous to add or
subtract.
09:27:54 >>SAL TERRITO:
Have to be done and filed somewhere
for the public to access it.
It can't be simply a matter that it's online.
09:28:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Right.
Someone like here, a motion is made and then the
person's name of who made the motion and who
seconded the motion is in a different format than
if you were to just compile the text.
09:28:14 >>SAL TERRITO:
I think it may be for ease.

A two-hour meeting with a lot of discussion,
reading all the text may be more of a problem than
someone sitting down --
09:28:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
It just takes somebody to
compile that and put it into the proper format.
09:28:28 >>SAL TERRITO:
That's correct.
I should have said about the locations and I left
this part out.
If you're going to say there will be locations if
you do not have a home computer, it must be in the
area that is being discussed.
If it's in the East Tampa CAC, then those
computers have to be located in the East Tampa
CAC.
That's another issue.
These are not insurmountable.
They are hurdles that must be made before the
meeting can be found to be valid.
You have to have an adequate number of computers.
That all goes to the same issue.
I mentioned the ADA one.
One of the big issues, what I was apologizing for,
I would assume you want to know who is calling in.
The Attorney General's office says that may be a
barrier to access.

It's like us closing the door.
If you don't have a password, you can't get into
the system.
Basically, it's just the opposite of what we're
trying to do, is that anyone should be able to
call in without having to access -- now, that's
not for the members.
That's for the public.
So you know that if it is the members doing it,
you want to know it is the member making the
decision or having the discussion.
But the public should not have any barriers to
their access, including passwords.
Anybody who wants to call in and, again, the
difficulty is going to be, are they in East Tampa?
Are they in West Tampa?
Are they in Ybor?
They can identify themselves as such but anyone
who comes down here can speak to the board
irrespective of where they live.
Those are the issues.
Can it be done?
Yes, it can be done, but there are some hurdles
that have to be overcome before you can get there.
The last issue, if you decide you want to do

something like this for the CAC, for the advisory
committees, we probably have to go through an RFP
or bidding process.
We can't simply take the first person who comes
here.
If there are other methods available, we'd have to
look at those as well and then you would make a
decision on which one you'd want to choose for
that purpose.
09:30:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We discussed the cost at the last
meeting.
I'm sorry, Mr. Miranda.
09:30:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I was going to say the same
thing you did, Madam Chair.
Cost.
I'm very cost conscious.
I want to know what these cost.
What is the maintenance fee, monthly fee.
If it breaks down, who is responsible for the cost
of the breakdown.
09:31:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
If we could have Dr. Spiro
address some of these things.
We've got several members of CACs here this
morning.
I don't know if any of them have been contacted.

09:31:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Bock McDonaugh, after the last
meeting, I asked Mr. Spiro because we're having
new managers in a couple of the districts if we
could wait a month and then we'll have him appear
at some of the CAC meetings to see if people even
have an interest.
I can tell you from personal experience, I have
not received any complaints about access and
ability to either contact the advisory committee
or attend the meetings in public.
Again, it seems like an extra step, but certainly
willing to do what the board pleases.
09:31:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Sal, you brought up some of the
issues, you know, first, let me kind of -- people
who are serving on the board of the CAC, if they
are also totally electronic in terms of a meeting
place itself, and then the public you would have
to have that access that you were just mentioning.
And then we have to have minutes and we have to
have some other factors that go into some of the
things that you mentioned.
Just like we have, and you mentioned this also,
just like we have people who are outside of the
CRA areas to come and make comments about specific
things on here, is there any control or any way of

stopping, you know, a discussion so it's not
hijacked by an individual that is constantly
flooding for more things onto this stream that we
have?
So as an example, somebody might have a filibuster
by virtue of the technology itself, just
continually putting stuff in there.
If you're out there watching it and based on what
Dr. Spiro's technology, you know, you've got to go
through a lot of stuff in order to get to that one
piece as opposed to what we have here, which is a
set time in terms of how much time someone has to
speak to us.
Sort of the same thing with the CAC.
Eventually somebody will go, hey, you know, we
need to go on to something else.
We can't keep talking about this one issue or this
one area.
We can't have somebody hijack the meeting.
Is there anything in any of the legal issues that
you deal with concerning cutting off discussion
when it comes to electronic types of speech?
09:33:44 >>SAL TERRITO:
I'm not aware of any issues that
could control that, the same way if a member of
the public comes down here, we see them and it

makes it a lot easier.
There's no way to know electronically, as far as I
know, to know who the person is that's
communicating with you.
They can say I'm John Jones or Mary Jones and I'm
doing XYZ.
There's also no way to know if they are coming to
a home computer.
They could be in New Jersey for all we know.
If you provide access for someone who doesn't have
a computer, that is the only restriction.
Has to be located in the area.
Outside of that, I'm not aware.
I don't deal with technology to have any way of
monitoring it.
Letters to the editor.
The blogs come in and same people every single
day, identify themselves as such.
The key here is the members have to be identified
clearly.
The public does not have to be.
There is a possibility for a filibuster, sure
there is.
09:34:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Part of the problem, now that we're
well connected to everyone across the world,

whether on a social platform or Internet or, you
know, e-mail, whatever, there is an idea that I
living in Tampa can make an opinion known about
what's going on in Indianapolis, Indiana.
Just because I don't like what they are doing in
Indianapolis, Indiana.
I have nothing besides my opinion that makes it
important.
I don't vote there.
I don't live there, but I still want to keep doing
that.
We have found and I know I found on social media,
you know, we get comments all the time from
outside of the city limits.
People that don't vote, they don't pay any of the
taxes we charge folks in order to run the city yet
they want to have their opinion heard.
I think that technology, because of the
pervasiveness of it, makes it much more difficult
for us to control these situations.
And I think that, frankly, it makes for the
collegiality of meetings like this worse, because
now we're playing to all of everyone's opinion as
opposed to the people really being affected by the
issues that are at hand.

I don't have a problem with technology in a
limited sense when it comes to these kind of
meetings but to me I don't think that we should
explore expanding this, even on a CAC level
because that's where the rubber meets the road.
That's where we're determining what we'll spend
money and I don't want things to get hijacked
because somebody just happens to want to take the
floor and say all kinds of things, hurtful or, you
know, outrageous or crazy or whatever.
I think that we -- you know, it sounds good on
paper but I think in practice it will be an
extremely difficult thing to put in place.
Thank you, Mr. Territo, for finding out all the
legal aspects.
It is a lot harder to fit this into -- this round
peg into a square hole than you thought, I'm sure,
Sal.
Thank you.
Thank you, chair.
09:36:43 >> [INAUDIBLE]
[ LAUGHTER ]
09:36:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for the report.
We now have the legal opinion on this.
Any other questions?

09:36:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I think we've got two subjects
kind of mixed together.
The first subject was expanding the ability for
the public to participate in community meetings,
which was the first GoToMeeting type of system
that you talked about or brought the report back
to us.
The second is the use of the sunshine board
technology.
You mentioned somebody could be in New Jersey and
participate.
Well, that's exactly the point.
If you have a board meeting taking place, like,
for instance, there is a possibility I'm going to
be in Pittsburgh during one of our City Council
meetings.
For me to participate, I would be calling into the
meeting.
There are apples and oranges here, I think,
because the sunshine board was -- and Dr. Spiro
can correct me if I'm wrong -- would enable board
members to participate in a meeting without being
in the room and would -- we've had occasions where
it's been reported to us that CACs have had
trouble scheduling meetings or a lot of people,

you know, couldn't attend or didn't show up.
And this would clear that hurdle for them to be
able to participate in the board meeting without
having to physically be present.
I'm thinking there are apples and oranges here.
Yes, it would also be available to the public so
that the public could comment on those board
meetings, because they are open, sunshine
meetings, and the public needs to be able to
access and comment.
The idea that it would be hijacked by the public
for airtime, so to speak, I don't think is a real
concern.
We struggle to have the public participation as it
is.
And this would do nothing but be able to encourage
and have more public participation, which I think
is always a good thing.
I think the isolated incidents where somebody is
try to hijack a meeting -- trying to hijack a
meeting can be dealt with by whoever is chairing
the meeting.
I'm always looking for more participation from the
public, and for us to filter through what's
important and what isn't, and what is relevant and

what is not.
Typically on a Thursday we hear a lot of things
from individuals who speak during public comment
that may not be relevant to the discussion we're
having that day.
When you're looking at new technology, it is
always going to be -- you know, somebody has to be
first.
I would love for the City of Tampa to be able to
say we were ahead of the curve, and that we are
taking a step into the digital age, and that's
where society is moving, like it or not, we are
moving in that direction.
People today have so much available to them
through technology, but the one thing they don't
have available to them is their voice being heard
at government meetings.
And I think that that's a hurdle that we can forge
ahead and get over.
Anytime you're looking at some new technology
that's going to be -- there's going to be growing
pains at first.
I would like to hear from Dr. Spiro to discuss
some of the issues that you brought up and then
see where we go from there after he's able to

comment.
09:40:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you, Ms. Montelione.
Mr. Suarez.
09:40:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Two things.
I agree with what you're saying, Councilwoman
Montelione.
There are two different issues.
Whether or not people participate as a board
together, which is what was presented to us by
Dr. Spiro from the very beginning.
That is a different aspect.
To me personally, I think that your situation of
whether or not you call in, which I supported and
I'm in favor of, is different than someone who
says I want to participate completely by an online
method.
Secondly, the technology has -- there's nothing
new.
There's nothing different about the technology.
Essentially it is a trail of text and e-mails that
are on there.
There's nothing specifically new about the
technology he's presenting.
He's presenting us a different way of presenting
public information, nothing more.

And I don't have a problem with that.
It's just that I think when we appoint these
boards, as you know, when we have people that want
to be on these boards, when they don't show up, if
we did everything electronic, I don't think that
bodes well for community, personally.
I think there is a value to people getting
together and discussing things in a room together.
Because it does bring down most of the time the
passions and the heat in a discussion, and people
start to get reasonable.
Doesn't always happen.
We've been here -- I heard somebody laugh.
You're not getting voted on if you don't stop it.
That was a joke, by the way.
Sometimes it helps to be in a room to discuss
things.
I think the value of democracy is being able to
have people together to talk about community.
Because when we start talking about anonymity, to
some degree, I think that emboldens people to come
up with ideas or opinions that are much more
extreme and less about community.
It's more about myself, because I'm sitting in
my -- you know, in my den typing on my computer

about what I believe is right.
I don't care what anyone else says.
The other thing is the frustration of the
technology itself.
There's only so much we can control.
Last week I was trying to send an e-mail from work
and our system went down.
It was an incredibly important e-mail and I was
really frustrated.
I would hate to see public hearings be redone
because of a technologically glitch.
No guarantee of that one way or the other.
We have technological glitches here, but there is
a way of doing it without having to worry about
the technology itself.
I've had my say.
I apologize for taking so much time.
I understand your passion about this, but I don't
know if we're at this stage now with this
particular presentation to go forward.
That's just my opinion.
09:43:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for your comments.
Anyone else, any questions?
Thank you for the report.
We have here Dr. Spiro.

I pronounce it the Spanish way.
Please, if you wish to come up.
09:44:10 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Thank you, Council, for the
opportunity to respond.
First of all, I'd like to say that as far as the
technology being something new, this is
specialized for government.
As an example, with respect to the minutes, let me
take just one step back.
I'll be brief with all these responses but I want
to be complete.
We have mentioned in this conversation calling in
several times.
With the sunshine board technology, there is no
"calling in," per se.
It is all written by text.
When we develop the technology, it's specialized
so that there is a single button that is pushed at
the end of the meeting which generates
automatically all the minutes.
And the minutes are all the text, because that's
all that exists in the meeting.
There is no conversation.
There is no calling in that's excluded from the
minutes.

Legally the minutes have to include when the
meeting started, who spoke, what motions were
approved or not approved and when it was stopped.
In this case, there are no motions being made
because there are no votes being taken.
All the minutes actually must contain is when the
meeting starts, who was present, and when it
stops.
So the minutes within this technology contain that
and then it contains more, which is actually
helpful.
It doesn't take anything away from it.
The minutes automatically generated completely
legal.
As far as filibusters go, the technology enables
the CACs to determine how much they would like
public participation.
Very much the same way that here it's determined
that a public person can speak for three minutes.
That's the determination by the Council.
So a non-board member could be limited to a single
comment per topic, per day, and various other ways
so that it would mimic essentially what is
happening here in the present.
Ms. Montelione was absolutely correct.

The purpose of this technology first and foremost
is to bring collaborative government together.
The CACs only meet once a month.
So if things happen in between that month that
they need to address, they have to wait another 30
days.
This technology by having these online workshops
in between their physical meetings would enable
them to address issues in a more efficient and
effective manner in between those meetings.
When they get to the physical meeting, they can
actually have a relatively shorter discussion
because they have already discussed it on the
online workshop and take a vote on the issue.
That's where we see huge time savings.
It's not meant to replace physical meetings in any
way, shape, or form.
And the issue that councilman Suarez discussed
about being physically in person has an advantage
is not taken away by this technology because those
physical meetings still take place.
09:47:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I have a question that popped up.
When you say that you can have discussions in
between meetings, how does that work with the
sunshine and public notice?

09:47:25 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
It's a workshop.
09:47:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
They all become workshops?
09:47:30 >>DR. CYRIL SPIRO:
They are all workshops.
So you have your CAC meeting where you actually do
your voting and then you have your online
workshops, which are publicly noticed as workshops
in between your physical meetings so you have an
opportunity to discuss things let's say in a
15-day time frame or less depending on what you
choose.
09:47:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
You set them up ahead of time?
09:47:51 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Yes, they are set up ahead of
time.
09:47:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
You said if they come up with
something they need to discuss.
09:47:56 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Let's pretend the physical
meetings are all on the 1st.
You set up online workshops on the 15th.
You make a notice ahead of time that for the whole
year, every month on the 15th, we'll have an
online workshop.
So that's been noticed.
Let's say something comes up on the 10th.
Instead of having to wait another 20 days until
the first of the month to discuss it, they can

discuss it five days later on the online workshop.
09:48:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for explaining that.
09:48:26 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Sure.
As far as public computers, absolutely.
We provide a computer in our district.
As far as ADA requirements I'm not 100% sure on
this but I believe all public computers at
libraries have to already be ADA compliant.
I think that's the case already.
09:48:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Excuse me, Mr. Spiro.
Mr. Miranda, please.
09:48:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Doctor, talk to me about cost, money.
09:48:55 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Thanks.
I was getting right there.
Five cents per citizen per area.
09:49:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Hold, hold, hold.
Mathematically, five cents per district per area.
How much is the area? How many people are
involved? And how much does the five cents equal
to?
09:49:13 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Absolutely.
Just to be even more clear, it's five cents per
month per citizen per area.
The area that I had presented at my meeting was

for all the CRAs.
And that totaled roughly 2800 a month.
09:49:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
2800 people or $2800?
09:49:30 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
$2800 a month.
09:49:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Times 12, times whatever.
09:49:36 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Yes.
That covers all the technology.
I spoke with Greg Spearman.
Their department doesn't have to be involved at
all, because it's all web based.
No infrastructure, no hardware, nothing that has
to be taken care of by the city.
That cost covers all the hardware that we take
care of for all the citizens in that area.
Then at the last meeting, I believe the City
Council discussed the possibility of reducing the
usage of the sunshine board as initial start-up to
a smaller subsection, maybe two or three CRAs
which would then reduce the cost.
09:50:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
It's about $33,600 a year.
09:50:18 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
Sounds about right.
Again, at any given time, we may have -- at that
point, I think it was 50,000 citizens that we have
to be able to provide service for.
09:50:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I'm going to follow up a little

bit with that.
You said 50,000 citizens that have access.
And we're paying for all of those citizens whether
they access it or not?
09:50:55 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
That is the design of the
infrastructure.
It has to be able to handle the capacity.
If we look at what we estimate might be actual
load down the road, we could probably look at that
in order to provide discounts, in order to say,
you know, maybe we know that all 50,000 won't be
on at the exact same time so we can reduce the
load and provide a discount.
09:51:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I want to just bring something up.
When we mentioned the board itself and they could
call in or participate online, I have found that
on boards, if they are not available, they are not
available.
They have a conflict.
Either they'll let you know I'll be on the phone.
Should be able to vote or they are not.
It's not a matter of being able to access it.
It's a matter of them having a conflict and they
can't be there.
I just want to bring that up, because I found

that's exactly what happened.
09:51:58 >>SAL TERRITO:
I think that no decisions are being
made.
These are workshops.
You cannot make the decisions in one of the
meetings.
09:52:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
They are all workshops.
09:52:07 >>SAL TERRITO:
I should have mentioned that at the
beginning.
Only dealing with workshops and no decisions are
being made.
09:52:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
Because the board was brought up.
Thank you for the correction.
09:52:16 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
As far as the two-hour limit,
so, first of all, we support that for the online
workshops to be used at two-hour time periods.
And that is exactly what we've done at Cory Lake
Isles in the past.
I just wanted to let the Council know that that
came out of a request from Delray Beach to use
this kind of technology.
They asked the Attorney General's office.
They said, we have two-hour meetings that we'd
like to conduct in this way.

The Attorney General responded by saying, you can
do that with these stipulations, which Mr. Territo
presented to you.
However, one of those stipulations was not that it
is only two hours, which is why there's no exact
time frame, that it must only be two hours.
There was never any opinion, never been any case
law that ever said the workshops can only be two
hours.
It's only just by a matter of chance that Delray
Beach asked, we have two-hour meetings, can we use
this?
And they said yes.
And I think I've addressed all the questions, but
if there are any further questions, I'd be happy
to address.
09:53:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Any other questions for Mr. Spiro?
09:53:45 >>FRANK REDDICK:
You haven't addressed the issue I
brought up last time and that -- I think you were
supposed to reach out to some of the CRAs and
speak with them and generate to determine if they
had any interest in participating.
Have you done that?
09:54:05 >>Dr. Cyril Spiro:
I have not, because

Mr. McDonaugh advised me to wait until some new
members came.
09:54:12 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Madam Chair, what are we
attempting to accomplish here today?
Are we attempting to vote on this or move forward?
09:54:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
This is information only, as far
as I can see, a staff report to us.
And that's what we have received.
I do not see any movement forward because we had
asked for him to contact the CACs, and that
hasn't been done.
I think the CACs need to weigh in if we move any
further.
Do you have anything to add?
09:54:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I was going to reiterate what
you just said.
Today, Mr. Reddick was to hear from Sal Territo on
the legalities and aspects as chairwoman Capin
noted that it was informational and that was the
reason.
Dr. Spiro was asked to wait until the new CAC
managers came on board, and they are on board.
So his next step would be to meet with the new
managers and also with the chairs of the
respective CRAs to see if their particular CRA

would be interested.
The cost, Mr. Miranda is not here, if all of them
decide that this is something they want to try,
that's one thing.
If it's maybe two or three that's something they
want to try, then it would be a different cost,
because it wouldn't be everybody.
The next step is for Dr. Spiro to meet with the
CRA managers and the CAC chairs.
09:55:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That being said, Mr. McDonaugh,
maybe during this process you can inform us when
they have met and when we can hear --
09:56:09 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Yes, I hope to have that
accomplished before the next meeting.
09:56:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Moving on --
09:56:19 >> I just want to thank you for your time.
09:56:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
You're welcome, thank you.
09:56:23 >> Matter of process.
Normally we go straight into public comment.
We have a number of folks here today that are
interested in representing West Tampa, and I did
not know if you wanted them to come up during
public comment or would you prefer to wait until
that item is being addressed.
09:56:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Let's wait until -- oh you're

right.
We'll wait until it's being addressed.
Now we're at public comment, three minutes per
speaker.
Anyone that would like to comment on the CRA,
please come up to the mike.
No one.
Oh, we're doing -- oh, wait, wait.
09:57:26 >> Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.
No handout today.
There was something that I was going to hand out,
but it has to be reworked a bit.
Anyway, this is a thing I mentioned, 17 cents a
gallon, now it becomes 16 cents.
In any case, with respect to item 5, technology,
gee, I wish technology was getting as much
hearing, dean Kovak, sold carports languishing for
20 years.
The image of Tampa as a place where technology
does not get implemented is not going to be
changed that much when you've got 20 years of a
major breakthrough idea just sitting.
West Tampa that relates to this.
The stormwater, which I am exposed to at Albany
and Kennedy.

The thing is, a work crew was actually out there.
Maybe they'll get the dead cow out of that
manhole.
But in any case, that area has been added to West
Tampa, apparently.
They have the north side I think of Kennedy,
unless I'm wrong.
But as I say, my focus is on the I and how the I
is being changed.
But there are economies of scale in this.
It also bears on the county to reduce congestion,
the $907 a year of congestion offset by 20 cents a
day, which is about 120 cents a day is about $70 a
year.
It's a good buy.
Not that the person might use the expanded
transportation facilities, but the other guy.
You know, the guy that's in front of them on the
freeways and the streets down here and behind
them, that's the guy who might use it.
Because they go by -- Hart is poorly run.
What happens is, they go by clusters of people
when the buses aren't running and they say, hey,
no way I'm going to do that, but maybe the other
guy, the guy that's holding me up on the highways.

Okay, Ybor City, my focus, of course, is on the
food festivals.
But here is the thing, maybe there can't be a club
at 7th Avenue and 19th Street.
When it was a golf club, there was no problem, but
there seems to be a lot of murders.
In any case, the media is getting on to things.
This was a little handout that was in the TBT.
It's very good.
You should try and get a copy of it if you can
because it relates to the public health and the
people nominated on the committees, specifically
Ybor City, they should be conversant like the
impact of bad food choices and glorifying them
with food festivals.
I have more.
Anyway, it can wait until the next CRA.
10:00:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
10:00:48 >> Good morning, CRA.
My name is Linda Saul-Sena.
I live at 157 Biscayne in Tampa.
I want to thank you very much for your strong
stand concerning the proposed widening of the
interstate through the heart of downtown Tampa.
I think that's a very important issue, and the CRA

which represents our neighborhoods is a very
appropriate body to speak to that.
Today you're going to be considering the budget
for the CRA, and I just wanted to remind you all
that of all of your responsibilities sitting at
that dais, the CRA is the most independent
function you serve.
You all independently sitting as a CRA determine
where those monies will be spent.
And I've seen in different years the CRA being
bolder and less bold in terms of directing the
investment of those funds to do the very best
things you can do for the neighborhoods.
So as you consider this today, I encourage you to
think very autonomously and boldly and listen to
the concerns of the neighborhoods, which you
represent in this function.
The worst decisions I ever made as a CRA member
was to invest an enormous amount in some
infrastructure in the Channel District -- this was
years ago.
It was being promoted for a bunch of developments
that never occurred at the time.
At the time, the neighborhood desperately needed
more modest streetscape improvements which then

took another eight years to come about.
You may remember this, Mr. Territo.
So look at what the needs are now in the
neighborhoods, because this -- I mean, it isn't
the whole city budget, but it is a piece of the
city budget that you all really control directly.
And I just want you to feel very empowered in your
decision making about this budget.
Thank you.
10:02:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Anyone else?
Seeing none, we continue with the required
approval.
10:02:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Good morning, bob McDonaugh.
You were given a slate of candidates for Ybor that
has been voted by the YCDC and asking for the CRA
board's confirmation of the recommendations.
10:03:07 >> I move that slate for approval.
10:03:09 >> Second.
10:03:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Moved by councilman Suarez.
Seconded by councilman Cohen.
All in favor.
Opposed?
Passed unanimously.
10:03:20 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Now we have candidates for West

Tampa.
I'm going to ask Jeanette Fenton to step up and
help me with that.
10:03:32 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Good morning, CRA members.
Jeanette LaRussa Fenton, Drew Park and West Tampa
CRA manager.
I am very pleased that we are here this morning to
appoint the charter class of the West Tampa
Community Advisory Committee.
As you know, West Tampa is a very engaged
community, so we have quite a few applicants.
You have an advisory committee that is constructed
of three open seats.
Those individuals come from either the categories
of residents, business owners or property owners,
or what we call at large, individuals that don't
meet any of those categories but have a
significant interest in the area or influence in
the area or have a particular expertise that might
be useful.
So those are the three.
You have 24 applicants in that category.
You would select three.
And then you have eight ex officio members which
represent West Tampa community-based

organizations.
Those eight members, those individuals are put
forth about their respective organizations, and we
ask that you ratify those eight members from those
organizations.
I did want to point out that two individuals that
are among the 24, Mr. Gallon and Mr. Beal, all of
the members, all of the applicants, I should say,
have to sign the Sunshine and Ethics Code Form
saying that they will adhere to that.
At the time you received your backup, because of
transmittal issues with their applications, they
applied timely but those forms did not transmit.
Since then, we have received their signed forms,
so they are fully authorized to be appointed and
should be duly considered.
I know quite a few are here to speak.
10:05:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Mr. Suarez and then Mr. Reddick.
10:05:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
A couple of questions and thank
you, chair.
So the slate of the ex officio members, we can
move forward and just approve that slate, correct?
10:05:27 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
That's correct.
10:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
If I could before I ask another
question, I'll move that forward so we can get the

ex officio out of the way, if that's okay.
10:05:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Second.
10:05:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
There is a motion by councilman
Suarez, second by Mr. Miranda, any discussion?
Yes, councilman Reddick.
10:05:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
[microphone not on]
10:05:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Your mike.
10:05:56 >>FRANK REDDICK:
There are some concerns that need
to be addressed, and I was hoping that
Ms. Montelione was here.
10:06:05 >> With the permission of the chair, I can go
backwards and ask my other question first which
has to do with the other members.
10:06:13 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Okay.
10:06:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
If that's okay, before I go forward
with the motion, maybe I can ask the other
question because he has very significant questions
about the ex officio members.
I'd rather us get some other questions out of the
way first before we go into that deep discussion,
if that's okay.
I'll table my motion is what I'm saying.
10:06:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
I also have some concerns about moving forward on
ratifying the ex officio seats.

I believe that they should apply and all of the
applications.
The process has been for us to -- I know we have
the Ybor and the appointments.
There were no other.
But I do believe that on this one with the
organizations, there were more than eight that
applied.
Is that correct?
Or just eight?
10:07:19 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
No.
There are eight designated ex officio seats.
10:07:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
How many applied for the eight
seats?
10:07:26 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Those are not -- they fill out
an ex officio application, but their respective
organizations decide who will be the member
representative.
10:07:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
How many filled out?
What was the total organizations?
10:07:40 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Eight were the ones that we
proposed when you approved the structure.
10:07:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I see the eight.
My question is, was there more than eight
organizations that wanted -- that applied?

10:07:57 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
There was not an application
process for the organization.
10:08:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
The form.
Only eight?
10:08:04 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Only eight.
We -- I should say, identified West Tampa specific
organizations that met four criteria, and those
were the ones we put forth as the eight
recommended ex officio organizations.
10:08:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
10:08:22 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
It wasn't open -- there was not
a public process that said any organization that
wants to be considered as an ex officio, please
apply.
No, that was not the way it was handled.
10:08:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
With the four criteria, it was
only eight that met the four criteria or only
eight that -- I'm trying to --
10:08:39 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
I'm sure there are other West
Tampa organizations that meet that criteria.
10:08:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
Thank you.
10:08:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I just want to clarify, Madam
Chair, what you're saying.

There are more than eight individuals that
applied; however, eight were chosen of those
organizations.
I think the question was, how many individuals
applied within the eight organizations?
Was there just one in each, five in each or one in
five?
I don't know.
10:09:08 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
For the ex officio, it is not
an application process.
10:09:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I understand that.
10:09:13 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Those organizations that were
identified as going to have the ex officio seats,
they submit their individual.
You don't have people vying for those.
10:09:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I think what the chairperson is
trying to get to, do we know how many applied
within the eight organizations.
10:09:32 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
No.
That's strictly handled within the organizations.
10:09:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
And that was the question I have.
Let me hear from our members.
Ms. Montelione.
10:09:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
Going down that same road --

10:09:57 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I think going to address what I
wanted to say.
10:10:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I trust that you did a
thorough, you know, look-see in the area.
You've been in the area a long time.
You've worked the area a long time.
I'm sure you know of the organizations.
So I wanted to preface that before I say, I think
what we need to do is have an open process, to say
we have an open process for all the individual
seats.
I think that notice should go out, and I think
that it should be published in publications that
are prominent in West Tampa or in the area.
I mean, even placards in storefront windows, if we
have to.
But to say we are beginning a community advisory
committee for this new CRA.
Any and all organizations who are interested in
participating in the CAC make application, and
then you cull through the applications to see who
meets the four criteria that you have set.
So that way, it's a wider net, and individuals who
belong to organizations will not be able to say
well we didn't even have the chance to apply.

So opening up the process and being more inclusive
to all of the organizations who exist within the
boundary and it is a fairly large boundary, so I'm
sure there are a lot of organizations.
I don't want to say it would be more fair but I
think it would be more open of a process to have
them apply to us rather than the city selecting
the organizations that we feel are appropriate.
10:12:00 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
If I may to seek clarification,
first, let me also say each of the ex officio
organizations did provide information to confirm
that they met the criteria.
So we do have that.
The clarification that I would request -- and this
is also for my colleagues in the other CRAs --
most of us have ex officio seats.
This process that you are contemplating as far as
having ex officios apply, are you limiting that to
West Tampa?
Or would that apply -- because, for instance, in
Drew Park, we have ex officio seats.
Those organizations did not apply.
They were, again, identified as being significant
organizations and determined to be ex officio when
we created that CAC, and I think that was the same

on some of the other CRAs.
Is this being restricted to the West Tampa CRA or
we should do this for all CRAs?
10:13:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, West Tampa is the one
we're talking about for right now.
Right now, we're dealing with West Tampa.
But I would say when the next CRA comes up for
election or for renewal, then we need to look at
the process in each of them as we go forward.
10:13:17 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Okay.
10:13:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Councilman Reddick.
Thank you for being patient.
10:13:23 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Who determines which organization that was
significant in West Tampa?
10:13:34 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
That was a judgment that I made
based on, as you heard, my work in the area and
organizations that I saw had been active and
engaged in doing things in the community to
improve the community.
10:13:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Do you have any documentation
that each one of these organizations had a meeting
and had a selection process for choosing who will
be selected?
10:13:58 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
I have -- to respond, you had

asked -- I should say, member Capin at the last
meeting had asked for minutes from the various
organizations.
I did follow up with each organization and
reviewed their minutes.
There were a couple of organizations that did not
provide minutes, per se, but provided, I would
call, documentation of their activities in the
community.
Some were meetings, some were different types of
activities.
10:14:42 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, since you brought that up
and I wasn't going to say anything, now that you
brought it up, then they don't meet the criteria
to be considered because we requested minutes.
We didn't ask for no documentation of activities.
I mean, I can put up a poster in West Tampa saying
we're going to have a rally and turn that into
you.
We wanted and we requested actual minutes.
Now, if they didn't present you those minutes,
they should not be considered.
I hope you identify those organizations, so I
definitely would not vote for them today.
Two, do you know -- do you have documentation that

these organizations had a meeting and at their
meeting, they had a voting process where they
selected the individuals that were chosen to -- on
this ex officio board.
Do you have documentation --
10:15:42 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
No, not as far as their ex
officio, we do not.
We leave that to them and their process.
10:15:48 >>FRANK REDDICK:
You don't have no verification
what -- that the person that was selected was
chosen by the organization, that organization?
10:15:57 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Oh, yes, we do.
The form, the ex officio application form, one of
the differences between the general application
form and the ex officio, there is a signature line
that certified someone from the organization has
to certify that that person is indeed their
representative.
So we do have that documentation.
10:16:18 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, it seems to me we've got
some concerns here, and I think seriously we
should take this process -- table this process
until we get further questions resolved because
this is -- this is -- I want to see documentation
and I'm particularly concerned about those who did

not submit minutes since that was requested.
I want to see documentation that the
organization -- who signed off on the information
you say was sent -- was submitted to you with the
person's name on there?
Did the president of the organization --
10:16:58 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Yes.
Most of the time, I have to go back and look, but
most of the time it was the president of the
organization.
10:17:04 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Okay.
Well, you know, I had a meeting with you
yesterday, at first I was not going to say
anything but since some of these questions came
up, you know, I explained at our previous meeting
about the process and about these organizations.
And I'm thankful that our chair, Councilwoman
Capin requested the minutes.
Are you at liberty now to say what organization
that they are not -- that did not turn in minutes?
10:17:49 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Yes, sir.
The two organizations would be the West Tampa
community development corporation and the West
Tampa alliance.
Let me further clarify.

I did not ask for minutes from the three
Neighborhood Associations because those are
already registered with the city and certified as
organizations, so I did not request those entities
to provide minutes, because they have to -- they
have to be active organizations to be considered
on the neighborhood registry.
So we're talking about the five others, West Tampa
Alliance and West Tampa Community Development
Corporation.
10:18:32 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Madam Chair, I want to hear what
you have to say.
But I, too, believe and I feel strongly in making
a motion to table this process and not move
forward with this today.
10:18:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That being said, that's where I
was heading that we not take -- we have a
special-called workshop coming up right after
this, and everything that's been discussed here
can be brought up there and decided.
I agree that we can table this, particularly --
and I know you do due diligence, and I understand
that.
As the CRA board, we have an obligation to make
sure that we have heard from everyone.

And I think -- so if you're going to make a motion
to that, I won't make the motion to table it and
discuss the process at the workshop.
10:19:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I have a question.
10:19:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I didn't make a motion.
10:20:02 >>HARRY COHEN:
I'll second yours to discuss it.
10:20:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So there's a motion on the
floor from councilman Reddick to table this
motion -- to table this discussion, selection of
West Tampa CRA community advisory committee.
Do you have a date --
10:20:18 >>FRANK REDDICK:
To the next CRA meeting.
10:20:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
To the next CRA meeting.
The date of that is?
October 8th at 9 a.m.
10:20:32 >>FRANK REDDICK:
[microphone is not on]
-- that the minutes will be presented by the next
meeting in October.
10:20:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
A second from councilman Cohen
for discussion.
I do have a question, Councilman Suarez.
I turn the gavel back over to Chair Capin.
I mean, Councilman Suarez.
10:20:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Quick question.
Is this a motion to table the entire slate, even

those that are not ex officio, or are we going to
move forward with the other at-large applicants
besides --
10:21:14 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I was just looking -- the ones
that select three people?
10:21:26 >> Are we going to table those, too?
10:21:29 >>FRANK REDDICK:
No, no. Just ex officio.
10:21:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Any other discussion?
We have a motion by Councilman Reddick.
Seconded by Councilman Cohen.
All in favor?
Opposed?
Passes unanimously.
We'll table.
10:21:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Chair, I would like to hear
from the members of the public who are here to
apply, I would like to hear them come up and make
a statement.
We do have 24 people who have applied and three to
choose.
Although we have all of the applications, I would
like to hear --
10:22:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a quick question.
Now that we're going to talk about these 24, I
have a couple of questions.

You put together a matrix, and like the movie, I'm
not sure I understand it.
The question I have, there are some people that
applied that say they are residents or business
owners that are not residents or business owners
within the district.
I think you put that down when you did a search of
their addresses that they are not residents of the
district.
10:22:44 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Right.
There is a column that asked if you are a City of
Tampa resident, and then there is a separate
column, which is your stakeholder, what we call
your stakeholder category as resident of the CRA.
And some of them that checked that were residents
of the CRA were not technically there.
They were very close or just outside, but they are
not residents of the CRA.
10:23:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Right.
And one of the questions -- and this goes back to
some of the ex officio discussion we had, which
is, there are very few that are actual residents
that are applying.
There's maybe four or five of the 24, if I'm
reading this correctly.

And that's part of my problem, which is there are
so many of them in there, I'm trying to get a
handle of it, because when we're talking about
just three ex officio, and then we're going to
look at eight that are -- it kind of confuses the
issue now.
I don't want to get upside down where we have less
residents or business owners that are on this
board as opposed to those that actually have a
stake in the district itself.
You see what I'm saying?
10:23:54 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Yes.
10:23:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
By calling it West Tampa CRA, and
in all of our minds, it's like more expansive and
less contracted when, in fact, it is a smaller,
much smaller area as to what we might
traditionally call West Tampa, it's a different
area.
That's why I want to make sure about it.
Did you explain to some of the applicants that put
down that they were residents of West Tampa CRA,
that they are really not when they put it
together?
10:24:21 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Well, we received the
applications after the deadline, and so then we

just -- we review for like obvious things that
might not be correct like residency and that sort
of thing.
10:24:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
If you don't mind just for
clarification purposes for the people in the
audience instead of us explaining each and every
time, give us the boundaries of what the CRA is so
that they understand that they may be coming up to
us and speaking that they may not be either
business owners or residents of the CRA.
And that we do give some weight to residents and
business owners, if you could.
10:24:53 >>JEANETTE FENTON:
Happy to.
The northern boundary is Columbus Drive.
The southern boundary is Kennedy boulevard.
The eastern boundary is the Hillsborough River.
And the western boundary is Armenia.
10:25:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
Thank you, chair.
Appreciate your time.
10:25:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Anyone else?
Then we'll proceed to the applicants for the three
positions.

If any applicants are here and would like to
speak.
10:25:25 >> First of all, I'm speaking because I waived --
I was going to speak at the citizens public
comment.
Now after what you've said, even though I'm not
part of the three, I still need to speak.
Okay?
I want to speak on that behalf.
Is that okay?
10:25:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Yes, please.
10:25:46 >> Joe Robinson.
I am the vice-chair of the West Tampa CDC.
We're one of the people that was called out about
the organization about minutes.
We've been around since 1999.
-- where we had a vote for who would be the
representative for the West Tampa CDC.
So we have minutes for that.
As far as minutes we asked for, we provided
information from a legal standpoint.
The articles of incorporation.
What we've been doing in the community for the
last five areas, and that should suffice because
we started with active, inactive.

We've done work with the city.
Built houses with the city.
We've done a lot of work.
The other CRA areas didn't have this group.
They just came up with whoever would be the ex
officios, and that was it.
It wasn't opened up to everybody.
I don't have a problem opening it up to everybody,
but it sends a bad message to the community that
you've approved a structure, and now that
structure is going to be tampered with.
That is a bad message because at the meetings,
Jeanette was clear, the city was clear, any
organization in West Tampa, the meetings over at
the Martin Luther King center, any organization in
West Tampa, if you want to be included, if you're
not part of that eight, please show up at the CRA
meeting and ask to be added.
That was already done.
That's already done.
They have a recording of it.
It was already open up to any organization in West
Tampa, if they didn't like the eight, they could
go down to the meeting, back in July, hey, I don't
agree with that structure.

We want to be added.
I don't know if that was done.
I don't know if those organizations appealed.
But it was publicly announced.
It was announced several times.
The draft of how the structure would be didn't
happen overnight.
It was done very methodically and very fairly.
Okay?
So if you all want to go back and revisit that
that's fine.
But it sends a bad message to the community, that
there is some behind-the-scenes type of
opportunity.
Maybe Mr. Reddick was sick and didn't attend the
July meeting where he could have expressed that.
So I understand maybe it was voted on in his
absence.
That's fine.
What I'm saying, to do now, have all the people
come, including myself, even though ex officio is
sort of disingenuous.
And we're getting started off on the wrong foot.
I just want to caution you that, okay, do what you
want to do, but it sends a bad message.

10:28:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Next.
10:28:40 >> Good morning, Council.
I'm KC Bowick, President and CEO of the Tampa Bay
Black Chamber of Commerce here in Tampa.
I agree with everything that Mr. Robinson just
stood here and asked you and said to you just now.
I agree with the whole thing.
Now, I have a question.
And that question is, I was under the impression
that this was for the West Tampa boundaries to
serve on this CRA.
I was not aware that it was for someone that lives
in Jackson heights or progress village or
somewhere in those areas.
I thought it was for the West Tampa community.
If I'm wrong, then let me know, and then we can
move from there.
But like Mr. Robinson said, this sends a bad
message to the community about what was said to be
done and what has been done, and what is going to
be done.
Thank you.
10:30:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Anyone else?

Seeing none, we proceed with the advisory
committee appointment applications.
Anyone that's applied that wants to speak, please
come up.
Let me call you up.
I'm sorry.
Let's do that.
Mr. Arnaldi here?
No.
Stephen Beachy.
That would be more organized.
Thank you for that.
10:30:41 >> My name is Steven Beachy.
4333 Bayside Village Drive.
In your matrix there, I was not able to check that
I'm a resident of the City of Tampa, however I
have lived here 20 years and been a resident until
about nine months ago.
Now I moved about a mile outside the city lines.
So I want to be clear on that.
I own a property in the CRA on Pine Street, and
I'm currently in the process of renovating.
So that's kind of -- I know you've got a lot of
people here that are well connected to this
community.

Mine is not so much but I plan to live there at
some point in time when I can.
The other thing is that my background, I'm a city
planner by training and most of my professional
life in that area and worked as a community
planner previously for Hillsborough County and
also in the private sector.
I think that there are so many things going on
here in this CRA that I think are -- can be really
positive.
And I would be very excited to be a part of that
and bring my experience to that.
I know you've got a lot of people you have to --
and you have to evaluate who can be the best
member at what they bring.
I really would like to emphasize that, as to what
I can bring to this CRA, the CAC.
Thank you.
It would be an honor to serve.
10:32:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Damien Beal.
10:32:25 >> Thank you.
My name is Damien Beal.
I am also not a resident of the direct West Tampa,
but I do live at 2212 Ridgewood Avenue in

Ridgewood Park, which is right across the bridge
from West Tampa.
I work for the housing authority in West Tampa on
Union Street, and we run a program called
YouthBuild, which pretty much we take kids 16
through 24 in the community of West Tampa and the
City of Tampa, and we give them the assistance
that they need, whether it's education, job
skills, training, whether it's direction or
mentorship.
I guess my interest is in -- I deal with the
residents of West Tampa on a daily basis as well
as the things that would go on in the West Tampa
CRA directly and indirectly affect me because of
where I live which is right on the other side of
the bridge.
I am not a Tampanian. I apologize.
I moved here but I do have an interest on what's
going on in Tampa.
I think what I bring to the table is because I've
lived in several different cities, I can bring
knowledge from things they have done in those
cities to Tampa to better the West Tampa area.
And I thank you for your time.
Von have been thank you.

10:33:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Next is John Bowden senior.
10:33:54 >> Good morning.
John A. Bowden senior.
3012 Riverwood Drive.
However, I have property 1009 [ inaudible ] --
Avenue, Tampa, 33607.
As usual I had written something and then I went
this way and went that way.
First of all, four words that I mentioned at the
10th meeting still persists to stay on my mind.
Those words are shenanigans, chicanery, bamboozle
and --
As I'm sure you know, we are concerned about
preserving our culture in our community.
While coalescing with all to make West Tampa, the
City of Tampa and the Tampa Bay area the greatest
place in the USA.
We are well on our way thanks to you and to Mayor
Buckhorn.
Today, however, I am here to address item number 7
on the agenda.
At the end of the last CRA meeting, councilman
Reddick expressed his concern of the process in
having the establishment of the West Tampa

community advisory committee.
Subsequently, councilwoman Capin stated that there
was a need for a workshop.
In conjunction with both chair persons, my review
of today's agenda raised some questions concerning
application for the West Tampa CAC.
All those questions could be alleviated if there
was congruency of the two applications.
Why are there more questions on the at-large
application than there are on the ex officio
application?
Some of the questions missing from the ex officio
application should be pertinent to your decisions.
For this reason, I request a continuance.
Finally, I would like to reiterate what the
gentleman from the Tampa Heights CRA said at a
past CRA meeting so eloquently expressed
concerning treatment of certain cultures.
Thank you.
10:37:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Herman Broxton.
10:37:32 >> Good morning, City Council.
Councilman Reddick.
My name is Herman Broxton.
4201 Union Street in the West Tampa area.

I'm very interested in being on this board because
of the plethora experience I bring to workforce
development.
I think it's important that we make sure that the
community is involved in workforce development and
bring training opportunities and experience.
I've done work support.
I've also done job fairs and also on-site
recruitment in the area.
Candidates actually come and get jobs.
I think jobs is essential to economic impact.
Actually, I did a job fair a few years ago, and it
was almost five hundred dollar -- five hundred
thousand dollar impact to the West Tampa
community.
I think that's also something that's essential for
us.
I'm passionate about our community.
I have worked here as a teacher and also high
school coach in the West Tampa area.
I've been working with young folks, but the most
important thing is training opportunity --
training opportunities for the 21st century,
getting them ready.
I think my experience in the workforce development

would bring some opportunities in that area.
That would be my sole purpose being on the board,
make sure that residents are getting the
opportunity for the high skill, high-wage
positions.
Thank you.
10:39:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Next, Thomas Castellano. I don't see him either.
Not here.
David Gallon.
10:39:35 >> Good morning, Council.
My name is David Gallon.
I'm the residents council president for North
Boulevard Homes, which is in the area for being
redeveloped in West Tampa.
I am a resident of the West Tampa area.
I've been living in West Tampa for about 15 years.
For the last ten years, I have served on the
resident council board for the Tampa Housing
Authority.
I wanted to just give you, as the president of the
resident council, I wanted to give you guys a sort
of purpose of what we do over at North Boulevard.
The purpose of North Boulevard Home Resident
Council is to ensure that all public housing

residents in local residential communities have
equal and fair opportunities to receive resources
and goods and services to low-income and moderate
families, to engage with those families on a
consistent basis to give informative information
about the resources that will be beneficial to
them and their households, to actively be involved
with those benefits and agencies that have direct
access to provide such resources as job
opportunities and training to city residents and
North Boulevard home residents, to specialize in
and promote events that will serve as pillars to
unify our diverse communities, to plan and carry
out the succession of those events through
neighborhood liaisons, community leadership,
officers, and participating partners of our
organization.
To strive and focus on building a working and
formidable relationship between local communities,
law enforcement agencies, city officials and state
representatives.
To ensure that the working relationship through
partnership has a profound effect on building
community relations and communications as well as
promote peace through unification.

As president, that's what I focus on with the
Council, with the resident Council of North
Boulevard Homes and the surrounding communities in
the West Tampa area.
I just want to say I love being a servant to the
people, servant to the public, and that's what I'm
here to do.
That's my number one priority.
Thank you.
10:42:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Next is Dr. Carolyn Hepburn Collins.
I don't see her here either.
Okay.
We go on to Frederick Harris senior.
Not here either.
Next, Marvin knight.
He left.
Okay.
He was here.
Carrie Kurt.
She left also.
Jeffrey Lieser.
10:42:47 >> My whole life it's been mispronounced.
No problem.
Good morning.

My name is Jeff Lieser.
I am the managing partner of a six-person law firm
in Tampa, Lieser Skaff Alexander.
My firm focuses on business and property
litigation.
The real property practice predominantly is
focused on construction lien work, code
enforcement issues.
In fact, one of our attorneys has appeared here
before.
We did not get the result we wanted, but I'm going
to move on from that.
Commercial eviction cases and construction defect
work.
I am also a resident of Tampa, a father of three.
I am a veteran, and a reserve judge advocate in
the army.
I have applied to be on the West Tampa CRA because
my law firm recently purchased an office building
at 403 North Howard Avenue just catty-corner from
the new JCC that's being developed.
Our law firm just purchased that in July and,
therefore, we have a vested interest in the
continued beautification and revitalization of the
West Tampa area.

In short, I believe that my background and my
qualifications make me uniquely qualified to serve
on the CRA, and it would be my honor to do so.
Thank you very much for your time.
10:44:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Next, we have Brenda linsey.
I'm wondering if this is the Brenda linsey that I
was in home room with all through West Tampa
junior high.
I wish she had been here.
Anyway.
Okay.
We go on.
James McCarthy.
10:44:54 >> Good morning, CRA.
Jim McCarthy, 1317 West Woodlawn Avenue.
I live in Riverside Heights, which is technically
not within the CRA, but I consider myself a West
Tampa guy.
I've been a resident of Tampa since 1980.
I came from New Jersey to attend the University of
Tampa.
I've been here my adult life.
Like most, I've raised my family, my three kids
here.

And what kind of makes my skill set and makes me a
little bit unique is the fact that my professional
career in Tampa has been working for production
home builders.
I've applied my trade in eight counties in the
state of Florida.
When you're a public builder, you are out in
suburban market.
I got to the point where I just could not buy any
more dairy farms and orange groves.
My heart was tugging on me to focus my skill set
within the City of Tampa.
I've done that.
I no longer work for a big corporation.
I work for a local home builder here in Tampa, and
we've built over 26 homes within the CRA, in the
CRA in the last 18 months.
What's unique about that is fee simple ownership.
These are Mr. and Mrs. Jones that are bringing in
families.
And I really think my skill set is to be an
advocate of West Tampa.
I believe that the families are going to
appreciate the Tampa market within the urban core.
And thanks to your leadership, you're seeing

infill housing work, fee simple infill housing
work.
That's my story.
I understand financing.
I understand CRA.
I understand urban planning.
Another gentleman said workforce housing, all of
these are great skill sets.
Mine is a little bit unique.
The fact that I've had the experience within
housing.
I understand affordable housing.
I understand finance and more importantly I love
West Tampa.
Thank you for your consideration.
10:46:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you Audrey Perez.
10:47:08 >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:47:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
Thank you.
Kenneth Perry.
Brent Peterson.
10:47:18 >> Good morning, City Council.
My name is Brent Peterson.
I'm a Tampa native, born and raised.
I am a member of the North Hyde Park Alliance in

West Tampa in charge of their web design.
While I may not live within the CRA boundaries, my
family has been a major landowner within West
Tampa for the past 20 years.
My father's business is located on Cypress Avenue
in Fremont.
As such, I have grown up in and around the West
Tampa area my entire life and watched it grow into
what it is now.
I believe this opportunity is what I need to get
off of the sidelines and actually drive this area
forward and become a part of its growth, not just
watching it.
Yes, I may be young, but I have both the time and
the energy to fully commit to this advisory
committee.
Thank you for your consideration.
10:48:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
10:48:22 >> Good morning.
My name is Jeffrey Rhodes.
Both a resident of the West Tampa area, 1707 west
Beach Street and also a business owner in West
Tampa of the ray Williams funeral home located at
301 North Howard Avenue.
I've been in the West Tampa area for the past 35

years.
The funeral business is a very community-based
business as everybody would know.
That being said, I hear a lot of concerns and
issues of people in the community.
Also to add to that, I have served on two
appointed boards in the past, one being, the
Mayor's African-American advisory Council.
I was appointed to that board from 2007 to 2014.
And also, the Hillsborough County citizen advisory
committee from 2007 to 2011.
And I believe those experience that I have in
that, in those areas, will give me the insight and
knowledge to serve on the West Tampa CRA.
Your consideration would be greatly appreciated.
10:49:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Next, John Rodriguez.
10:49:39 >> Good morning, CRA members.
My name is John Rodriguez.
I reside at 2311 west Cordelia Street, which is
actually two blocks north of the CRA boundaries.
I would hope this morning when you make your
consideration for who you want on this committee
that you look at the total package of each person
applying and how they best could represent the

interest of the West Tampa CRA.
I think that -- my background is such that I've
worked in this community for at least 15 years on
I guess a professional level, and my background is
that my family has been on Cordelia Street in West
Tampa for almost a hundred years now, and I'm
still there.
And my interests are certainly West Tampa's
interests.
It's not something -- it goes beyond my job that I
worked when I was working as a legislative
assistant for Rep Henriquez and then Rep Scionti
and Rep Cruz.
At that time, I was fortunate that I actually got
paid to do what I would have done if I didn't have
to work.
I really just want to urge you guys to understand
that a rising tide lifts all boats, but our job on
the CRA is to make sure that everyone has a boat
that is seaworthy, otherwise you wind up getting
swamped.
I worked with Joe on the West Tampa CDC since they
were founded back in 1999, and that's what we're
turning our focus to now is jobs for people in the
community.

And whether or not you choose me, I'm going to be
at the meetings.
I hope you will choose me because I like to
hope -- I like to think I can make a contribution.
Again, whoever you choose, look at all their
confidentials.
It would be a shame if you chose someone based
merely on geography rather than motivation and
ability.
Thank you.
10:52:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Mr. Rodriguez, your family beat my family on
Cordelia Street by about 40 years.
60 years.
Sean Shaw?
No.
Dr. Bennie small.
Christopher Timmons.
10:52:32 >> Madam Chairman, members of the City Council, my
name is Chris Timmons.
I am actually new to Tampa.
I have been in Tampa for about two months, and I
absolutely ready to jump in and do something
for the community.
I am a journalist by profession.

I am an editorial writer for context Florida and
Florida politics.com, which are very influential
new media concerns and state politics.
That's what I do for a living.
My expertise, of course, then is in politics and
public policy, and I have some pretty broad
knowledge of those things.
And I think that would be useful to you.
Also, I have a fresh pair of eyes coming from a
different area, Tallahassee, Florida, and also
being heavily involved in the community in
Tallahassee, Florida, where I served on the
library advisory board, the airport advisory
committee and the international affairs Council,
which managed the sister city programs in that
community.
So I bring enthusiasm.
I bring a sort of analytical skill set where --
since my work is largely in public persuasion, I
bring a heavy emphasis on research, analytical
decision making, and I think that will be of some
use, I hope, to you in this way.
Also, as the young man said, I also bring you
because I'm barely out of my 20s -- 30 now -- so
I bring that as well.

I bring enthusiasm and a fresh perspective.
Thank you so very much.
10:54:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Eric Weaver.
10:54:09 >> Good morning, City Council.
My name is Eric Weaver.
I live at 2008 East Patterson Street.
That is not in West Tampa.
That is in northeast Seminole Heights.
I've been there for the 30 years.
I am a FEMA SWMM expert.
That's SWMM, Google that, it's Stormwater
Management Model.
When I first graduated from USF, I was lucky
enough to beta test the SWMM model for EPA when
the phosphate mine had the big spill in the
'80s.
So I became an expert on the model and redesigned
the phosphate plant.
And then I moved the Delaney Creek for the Brandon
Mall, and I moved Cypress Creek for the Citrus
Park Mall, and I cleaned up the flooding in Ybor
City for Seacrest, and I stopped the flooding in
Carrollwood Village.
What was the other one I did?

I've done a lot of stormwater work.
Now I'm sort of semiretired, and I went back to
school, and I'm watching my son graduate in
architecture next month and my daughter is a
schoolteacher here who graduated last year, and
I'm trying to give back to my community.
My interest in joining your committee is as a
stormwater expert.
I know we have some stormwater issues in Tampa,
and I think that having that extra piece on your
board would be a big advantage, especially if you
want to get out of the water.
That's my two minutes or minute and a half.
Thank you very much.
I look forward to working with you.
Have a great day.
10:55:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Last, we have Tina Young.
10:56:06 >> Good morning.
My name is Tina Young.
I live at 351 Channelside Drive.
Yes, that's not in West Tampa.
I do work in West Tampa.
I am the Executive Director of Project Link.
We are housed at Just Service Center which is

behind Just Elementary School.
I've been there for 17 years.
Project Link has been there for 30.
We provide support services for families.
Our main goal is attendance.
We work with families, mostly in West Tampa, that
may be having some attendance issues with the
school district and behavior problems.
We do several outreach programs.
The back-to-school fair held at Blake High School
and other schools in the district.
I am on the Hillsborough County PTA Board.
I'm the VP.
And I do a lot of work with the families.
We do parent workshops, self-sufficiency
workshops.
A lot of outreach services.
So I work a lot with the families one on one, and
that's my expertise that I bring because we do a
lot of outreach, and we do a lot of hand in hand
with the families in West Tampa.
Thank you.
10:57:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
The name of your organization --
10:57:30 >> Project link.

10:57:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That's an organization that's in
West Tampa?
10:57:37 >> Yes.
We're on the campus of Just Elementary School.
10:57:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
The organization filled out a form
for the ex officio?
10:57:45 >> I was not aware of that.
10:57:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That's 24 applicants.
Thank you.
There are 24 applicants.
Really, I may say that -- I'm sorry we only have
three spots because there are some really very
qualified people for this.
Councilman Cohen.
10:58:10 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I'm glad that you said that because there really
has been such a great quality of applicants for
these three positions, and this is not usually the
situation we find ourselves in.
Normally we don't have enough applicants for the
positions that exist.
What I want to say to everybody here today is, if
you're not chosen for this community advisory
committee, please give some consideration to
serving on one of the other ones in one of our

other CRA districts.
In some cases, we could really use the help, and
it won't be nearly as competitive to get on the
board.
10:58:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Just a matter of procedure, we're
going to turn our ballots, because there are 24,
there's going to be a lot of people that get votes
that may not have enough votes.
Are we going to go so that we eliminate those that
have gotten no votes the first round and go from
there?
I assume that's what we're to do.
10:59:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Madam clerk or our attorney?
10:59:16 >>SAL TERRITO:
No.
That would work.
If, like, eight do not get on there, then you have
16 to deal with and then another eight.
You'll have it at the end, may be a problem, same
three -- but you can do it that way, yes.
10:59:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I'm very aware of that three vote,
two vote, one vote.
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:59:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Been there, done that.
Yeah.
10:59:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for that.

Very good suggestion.
10:59:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
One other question, if that's okay.
I think, madam clerk, you might want to get a
couple more ballot sheets.
I think we're going to go through more than one
round, would be my guess.
10:59:55 >> You have two ballot sheets at your place and
then I have additional ballot sheets with me.
11:00:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
11:00:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We can start the budget
presentation, Mr. McDonaugh.
11:01:14 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Bob McDonaugh.
11:01:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Please understand, we're starting
but we may be interrupted.
11:01:21 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
We had the budget presentation
last month, and there were some corrections that
were asked of me, and I have made them in the
documents.
What I'm asking for is the approval for the fiscal
year ending 2016 budget.
11:01:15 >> Any questions on the budget, the 2016?
We do have a workshop to discuss the budget coming
up.
So we have till October 1st.
11:01:43 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
But we don't have another

meeting until after that date.
11:01:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That's right, we don't.
We can have a special call.
11:01:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
It looks great on the
presentation.
In terms of where are we should be in terms of our
budget numbers, are we doing -- is it a good year,
bad year, where are we at?
Have you seen a significant increase?
11:02:14 >> We have seen significant increases in several
of the CRAs, and some of them have -- downtown
specifically had the Channel District.
East Tampa came back from a very slow growth. A
couple of them are waiting on development.
So Central Park and the Heights are still status
quo.
And I believe Drew Park had a slight decrease.
And Ybor had a slight increase.
The thing that we are going to talk about if it's
an appropriate time is that I have asked Dr.
Robinson from Ybor to talk about the process.
Because each of the CRAs has really -- we can
start talking now about process -- is that, you
know, the groundwork is the strategic action plan
which is adopted by the community which targets

the goals of the specific CRAs, but we have
long-term goals.
And what happens on an annual basis --
11:03:24 >> Just a minute.
I am going to ask that all the council members be
present, if they can to please come out for this
budget presentation.
11:03:38 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Sure.
Continue.
11:03:59 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Again, the basic ground through
the strategic action plan, and that is a
community-developed plan about the goals and
aspirations of each of the CRAs so there's
actually a formal plan that is developed.
And many times Sal will be asked the legality of
spending on certain items, and the answer always
is, is it in the plan?
So that's basically the guidebook or the road map
that's developed for each of the CRAs.
And each one is different because each one has
very different needs.
Ms. Saul-Sena talked earlier about the Channel
District.
That was an industrial area which is now being
converted into a mixed use, which is very

different from Drew Park, as an example, which
still is a light industrial manufacturing area.
East Tampa being largely single-family homes.
It's different from downtown which has a
preponderance of commercial development.
So each has a strategic action plan.
And that's the baseline.
Then on an annual basis, a budget is developed
based on the strategic plan and the anticipated
funding.
And the last two years have been a little bit of a
challenge because of the great decrease in
property values prior to us getting certified tax
roll from the property appraiser.
Each of the CRAs is unsure of exactly --
generally we would know, we have a fair estimate
of how much we were going to have.
The last two years really has had great dramatic
changes.
We had East Tampa at one point which had several
million dollars, actually go down to zero.
So basically we begin that.
We have our aspirations laid out in the strategic
action plan.
Then we get an idea in June about what the funding

will be.
And then each of the boards will start to meet and
talk about how do we achieve the goals in our
strategic action plan?
It's a grassroots discussion.
The community is involved in that and exactly how
the money is spent.
And that is then what is brought here to the CRA
board.
11:06:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
11:06:15 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
City clerk.
We have one member receiving four votes and we
have three others receiving three votes.
And the other ones received one vote.
So the only person receiving four votes is Jeffrey
Rhodes.
The other individuals receiving three votes
include Kenneth Perry, Marvin Knight and David
Gallon.
And from the other individuals, Steven Beachy
received one vote, John Bowden one vote, Herman
Broxton one vote, Tom Castellano, one vote, Jeff
Lieser one vote and John Rodriguez one vote, Steve
Shaw one vote, and Tina Young one vote.
11:07:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for that.

Thank you, council members, for returning.
I guess we will -- do we have the form?
11:07:45 >>SAL TERRITO:
Yes, and I would suggest that Mr.
Rhodes would be the one, so we have three more
members so we can make two more selections and
narrow it down to that because we already have
three votes on those three.
11:08:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Let me ask.
Is that okay with eliminating the ones that have
one vote?
11:08:07 >>SAL TERRITO:
That decision is all up to you how
you want to vote.
11:08:11 >>HARRY COHEN:
We have 4 and 3.
11:08:17 >> Individuals with four votes include Mr. Jeffrey
Rhodes.
The three include Kenneth Perry, Marvin Knight and
David Gallon II.
11:08:32 >> And my only suggestion is Mr. Rhodes got four
votes.
He would be one of the members selected at large.
We have two more we need to select. We have three
candidates.
I would suggest that we go forward with those
three.
11:08:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.

11:08:51 >>SAL TERRITO:
That's perfectly legal if you want
to do it that way.
11:08:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Is everyone in agreement?
I want to ask that.
Everyone okay with that?
Okay, then we will move forward in that direction.
11:09:07 >> Congratulations, Mr. Rhodes.
11:09:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We pick two of those three.
11:09:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
11:09:29 >> Madam Chair?
We can have Dr. Robinson talk a little bit about
the process in Ybor City.
11:10:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
But let me point this out.
We have a workshop on the budget.
And he's part of the workshop on the budget.
We are looking at the budget now to possibly
approve it.
I think we have the cart before the horse.
11:10:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Okay.
Dr. Robinson has to leave and I thought it would
be helpful --
11:10:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That will be perfect.
That will be fine.
Everybody okay with that?

Yes.
11:10:50 >> Shawn Robinson, Ybor City, Development
Corporation vice chair.
Just to give you a summary of how the process
worked in Ybor City, we have been meeting since
April in different committees, budget, as well as
our priorities.
Each year we put together a list of priorities
based on the different committees that are part of
the YCDC.
There is a district marketing committee, a retail
arts and events committee, public safety, parking,
planning and infrastructure.
Each of those committees put together a list of
priorities, and they vet them through those
committees which are open to the public and we do
have several non-board members that are on each of
those committees.
Once those priorities are set by the committees,
they are brought to the full board for approval,
and then also to make sure that there's no overlap
between the different committees.
This year we instituted an Executive Committee
which is comprised of the chairs and co-chairs of
each of those committees as well as the officers

of the YCDC.
And what they do is act as a steering committee to
make sure that again there's no overlap, best use
of resources, and the priorities that overlap are
given focus to.
And this group met multiple times as well over the
course of the last few months.
We have had meetings with the board where the
budget has been reviewed on April 28th, and
June 23rd, as well as July 28th when the
board has reviewed both the priorities and the
budget based on new information as we got more
information about our funding, as well as
different committees have met multiple times as
well.
So that's essentially how the process worked in
Ybor City for the YCDC group.
Most opportunities for people to have input as
well as the priorities that are arranged in
priority order.
One of the new things that we did this year, so
that you know, we wanted to make a new focus on
economic development, and so for each of our two
CRAs for YC 1 and 2, we added a section for
targeted business incentive programs so that we

could focus more on not just maintenance, Ybor
City and keeping things nice but actually
approving and drawing more business to the Ybor
City area and promote wag we already did.
So that has been in addition to our budget this
year.
And I'll entertain any questions if that's
appropriate.
11:13:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you, Dr. Robinson.
I'm going to ask, since we have moved into part of
the workshop, part of that workshop were questions
from a couple of CRAs on the service agreement.
So can -- what I am looking at is, what I want
to -- I'm going to make a motion.
Thank you for that, Dr. Robinson.
I am going to go on and say for those who question
the service agreement, my analogy was HOA hire
services to run the HOA, and those services hire
and fire whoever does -- whoever they feel is
doing the work.
So when they questioned how this came to me, the
question how administrators of CRA are hired, that
was my analogy.
We have hired the city to administer the CRA, and
therefore it is the city that takes into

consideration who is hired and who is fired.
The only way other than that is to eliminate the
city as being the entity that runs the --
administers the CRA.
Not that I'm suggesting that by any stretch of the
imagination but I wanted to make it clear that in
my sometimes from what I looked at is how it
works.
We have agreed with the city to help run the CRA.
Therefore, the city, at the HOA service agreement,
that entity hires and fires who works for the
HOAs.
So is that analogy close enough?
11:15:27 >> That's correct.
You basically are hiring the city and company for
the final services.
They choose who will provide those services within
the organization.
11:15:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That's the way I understood it and
I just wanted to make it clear, just to put it out
to the public for those that have questioned that
process.
Thank you.
11:15:54 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Are they paid out of the CRA
dollars or is the city paying for them?

11:16:00 >>SAL TERRITO:
You don't pay for my services.
You don't pay for Sonya Little.
You get services from the rest of the city as
well, purchasing department, all of those services
are provided for you.
What you are paying for is all the managers of
those particular organizations, the staff people,
you pay for some, and you get others through the
city operations.
11:16:29 >>FRANK REDDICK:
If we are paying a portion of
their salary, should we also participate in the
selection process, whether we approve or not?
11:16:41 >>SAL TERRITO:
The way the organization is set up
right now, the contract you have is with the city,
not with the individual vendors.
I know what you are saying.
That's the way it is structured right now.
11:16:53 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, the contract can be amended
to include that.
11:16:56 >>SAL TERRITO:
As long as the other parties
agreed to that. It takes two.
11:17:03 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Right.
And I think what has come about is we have got
Vince Pardo, for example, retired, and someone
selected from outside the state, and I know

personally -- I don't know of the others, but
received phone calls about are we aware that a
person they hired, and had no knowledge of the
person they hired.
So I'm wondering if -- we are the CRA board here,
and separate from the administration, if this
board has some input and practicality of the
selection process.
And, I mean, that's a simple question.
We are separate in this board.
And that's something I just throw out there.
11:18:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Anyone else?
I'm just going to -- yes.
11:18:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The agreement between the city
and the county -- the city and the county?
That's on my mind. But a whole other subject.
The agreement between the city and the CRA, how
long has it been in place, do you know?
11:18:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
At least ten years.
11:18:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Generally speaking, things get
new contracts in the public realm, businesses
reevaluate from time to time the contract as it
stands at the times are and how it's working,
just, you know, kind of take an assessment.
And we haven't done that in probably ten years.

So I think possibly what we might want to do,
depending on how the other members feel, is at a
scheduled workshop of the CRA, which is a new
thing, which I think is a good thing, that we
discuss some of the terms of that agreement,
what's working, what's not, maybe even opinions
from people who have previously served the CRA,
because, you know, my knowledge, most members'
knowledge is not going to go back all ten years,
so there might be issues that may have come up
internally that we wouldn't have been aware of,
because they wouldn't have made the record or they
wouldn't have been discussed in public but there
were issues or concerns nonetheless.
So I would move that we, maybe at our next
meeting, set aside from time at a workshop to -- I
think October 8th maybe at 10:00, schedule a
workshop to discuss the conditions that are
contained within the agreement between the city
and the CRA for contractual services.
11:20:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have a motion from Mrs.
Montelione, seconded by Councilman Reed -- um,
Reddick.
11:20:52 >> What city are you in? (Laughter)
11:20:55 >> Councilman Reddick.

Any discussion?
11:20:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'm from Mars and I want to
speak.
Let me just say this.
I think before we go any further, if what I hear
in my mind is coming about, I think before we go
any further you have to get a complete list of
what the costs are, complete, complete,
administration, the attorney, the finance, and
puts them all together to see.
If we are going to start picking here and there
what we want, what we don't want. That's what I
heard. I don't know if I am correctly -- maybe I
misunderstood what I heard.
And bring it before the total board what the cost
is with and without the administration.
I'm not going to support it because I don't have
those numbers before me.
And I don't want to set a workshop unless I have
numbers before me.
I don't do business that way.
And I'm not against anything, but I'm also not for
anything until I understand what I am doing.
And right now, it's cloudy at best as to what the
expenses are and what the benefits, cost ratios

are versus the change in whatever we want to do.
That's all I want to say, Madam Chair.
11:22:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
11:22:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We do have what the competition is
now. I don't see that's an issue.
The way of CRA as far as performance we act like
any other City Council that does not have a mayor.
We contract, you know, for Bob for a better term
city manager, he gets to run things and we get to
decide on certain things.
Don't have a problem with the city being
contracted with us for services because I agree,
and Mr. Miranda was getting at this, which is we
receive a lot of service was no cost whatsoever
that we probably won't receive otherwise.
But I think that there is a real concern, you
know, if there is going to a hire, then maybe we
should have some role in approving that hire.
I don't think that's a problem, and I don't think
there would be any issue with that.
And I think that may be part of the workshop
discussion that we will have.
You know, I don't think we are trying to throw the
baby out with the bath water.
I think maybe there's a better way of being part

of that decision-making process.
Thank you, chair.
11:23:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.
Councilman Reddick.
11:23:19 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.
I think the point I was making had nothing to do
with the attorney, the finance person.
I was speaking totally in general about the
managers, CRA managers, and the selection process
and their role.
But I'm not talking about the administration.
I don't even go there.
So attorneys and the finance people, budget
people, water people, I'm not even talking about
them. It's strictly the managers.
And that process.
And I don't think there's a problem just taking a
look at the contract, if there's anything we need
to change, improve it.
11:24:18 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
May I make a clarification?
The person that's being referred to is a former
employee of the Tampa Chamber of Commerce.
The Clearwater Chamber of Commerce.
Former employee of the city of Clearwater, and
Pinellas County and currently owns a home in

Pinellas County.
So the dispersion as to this outsider that was
brought in I don't think is quite accurate.
I know how people have labeled things.
11:24:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for the clarification.
Councilman Cohen.
11:24:47 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much.
I actually have to leave.
And I just wanted to make the comment that I don't
ever think that there's a danger of bringing
things to a workshop to flesh them out so we can
get more information.
And with that, I think where I heard Mr. Miranda
going, though, is that we need to understand the
full expenses and costs across the board, what we
get from the city, what we have control over
paying for.
So the more information the better.
Ten years is a long time and it definitely worth
looking at when we are talking about, you know,
ten different discrete communities throughout the
city. That's my take.
11:25:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Yes, Mr. Miranda.
11:25:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
If that's added to the motion
that's on the floor, I have no objection.

But I want to know the full ramification of costs
and so forth.
11:25:48 >> Add to the statement.
11:25:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
That motion that was made
about the discussion.
11:25:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The motion I made was that we
set aside a workshop time at the next meeting
which is October 8th at 10 a.m. to discuss the
contract between the CRA and the city and the
terms contained therein.
11:26:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
That's all of it.
11:26:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That's the motion I made.
11:26:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
If I may make a suggestion I
will endeavor two weeks prayer to that to get you
a partial estimate of exactly what it is you are
paying for and what services you receive that you
do not have to pay for.
I have something if you would just give me a
second to show you.
11:26:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay, we have the results.
11:26:38 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
CRA members, Shirley
Foxx-Knowles, city clerk.
The individuals selected include Mr. Marvin Knight
and Mr. Kenneth Perry.
11:27:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

Congratulations and welcome aboard.
Before you continue with that, and maybe this is
where you are going, when I looked over the
budget, our entire budget, there was a list of
services that were provided that were not charged.
I saw that list.
It is there.
11:27:39 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
There's not a monetary number
associated with that.
Also not addressed is the fact that -- we talked
about this.
11:27:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I also want to make a point here
that we are looking at approving the budget and
the service agreement for 2016, today.
I also want to point out that the service
agreement that we have, the administration of the
CRA was correct in hiring -- and that's the
contract that she had for 2015.
Therefore the hires --
11:28:24 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Per our service agreement.
11:28:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Correct, right.
Thank you.
11:28:28 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
As a quick aside, you can see on
here salaries by general fund, the percentages of
salaries picked up by general fund, and in each

case there's no person 100% that does work in the
CRA paid strictly by the CRA.
The city does pick up quite a bit of costs.
There are a couple unfinished pieces of business.
One would be the approval of the budget.
11:29:06 >>SAL TERRITO:
We have a motion on the floor.
11:29:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have a motion on the floor.
The motion by Councilwoman Montelione, seconded by
Councilman Reddick.
All those in favor?
Opposed?
Carries unanimously.
We will have a workshop on this.
11:29:30 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I'm also asking for approval of
transfer of funds to a construction account,
neighborhood infrastructure project in the
downtown CRA.
11:29:39 >>FRANK REDDICK:
So moved.
11:29:42 >> Second.
11:29:42 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
If I could, could I get some
clarification, please?
Is the board asking that we go out and publish --
solicitation for neighborhood organizations within
the West Tampa CRA to make application for -- by
the CRA board to the West Tampa CAC?

11:30:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
And what we are going to discuss
in the workshop, that was part of it.
11:30:13 >>SAL TERRITO:
Right now, you have already made
your decision.
Before you do that, you have to unmake that
decision.
Right now membership is what it is.
You are looking at accepting the membership
appointees to that board.
Right now -- you may want to change it but before
you change it --
11:30:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
What we did was table it.
Okay.
11:30:37 >>SAL TERRITO:
You did it a while back, or
approved the organization.
If you want to change that, you have to rescind
that resolution and bring a new membership in.
Soliciting someone now, there's no person.
That's all I'm saying.
You may want to look at that issue and decide if
you want to do that.
But rescinding your previous motion.
11:31:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have meld the CRA meeting with
the workshop.
So --

11:31:22 >>SAL TERRITO:
All I'm saying, I think it's
premature.
You have to undo it before you can ask for more
memberships.
11:31:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
11:31:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I would move to have rescind
the resolution so that he can go out because that
just kicks the can further down the road, and it
will take longer to get this board seated and get
them working.
11:31:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for that.
11:31:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I second that.
I agree with of that wholeheartedly.
However I want to make sure whatever organization
applies including those that already applied also
have to, before be considered, have to have the
minutes of those organizations in the record.
I think that was brought up by Mr. Reddick.
11:32:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
A friendly amendment.
11:32:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Yes.
11:32:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have a motion to rescind, and
in the same motion we are asking -- sorry, I
didn't understand it.
11:32:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The motion was just to rescind
the ordinance of the previous -- I'm sorry, not

ordinance, resolution.
So I move to rescind the resolution that we
previously passed and accept Councilman
Miranda's --
11:32:49 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
It's contagious.
11:32:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Accepting the friendly
endment.
11:32:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
We have a motion by Councilwoman Montelione,
seconded by Councilman Miranda.
All those in favor?
Opposed?
Carries unanimously.
Now we can move on.
11:33:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So you have your instructions
to go out and solicit.
If I may make one observation.
About the process, and the organization of the
individuals that were or will be part of the CRA
membership, CAC membership.
11:33:28 >>SAL TERRITO:
To interrupt again, the
organizational representation.
11:33:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I understand that, Mr.
Territo. Let me make my statement before you make
any corrections of what I am going to say.

Some of the people that were just elected put down
on their applications that they are members of
organizations that were identified as ex-officio.
That gives me a concern, because we were only
selecting three individuals.
And it wasn't my intention to have individuals who
not only are representing themselves but also are
part of an organization that has another seat, so
it affects what you are doing is giving that
organization two seats.
When we first discussed this whole membership of
this board, I had concerns -- and I think
Councilwoman Mulhern was here at the time -- I
think she had concerns as well about how the
organization would have eight seats and the
individuals would only have three, but in effect
what we just did is if the same organizations are
selected or apply and are approved as ex-officios,
then you have got more than one person
representing the same organization on the board.
And that is a concern of mine.
Because then it's weighted.
And I was hoping that we would get individuals who
were not part of or identified as having seats or
participants in any of these boards.

And I was hoping we would get individuals outside
of those organizations to participate on the CAC.
That's my concern.
Does that -- I think going forward we need to keep
that in mind.
11:35:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
All I can say is we had a series
of public meetings.
They were well publicized.
We put the placards out.
We put signs out.
Everyone was invited.
I think when you are talking about a place like
West Tampa, where people are interested in active
there's a very good chance they are being in the
CAC, and are probably a member of one of these
organizations, whether it's the CDC or whether
it's the West Tampa chamber or one of the
neighborhood organizations.
It's very difficult --
11:36:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, we have a lot of
residents.
It's a big area.
There are a lot of citizens and there were a lot
of people whoever applied that aren't members of
any of those or at least didn't put down that they

were members of any of those organizations.
Just saying we have alternatives.
And it was pointed out, one of the applicants is
the Executive Director for 17 years of an
organization that's existed in West Tampa for 30
years and didn't know about the ex-officio
statuses of organizations.
So thinking there are organizations that we may
have missed.
11:36:47 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, we advertised.
We had a series of public meetings.
I think that our public outreach was very strong
and robust.
And the fact that -- and I'm not sure if that
organization was project something.
I will have to see if that's part of the
Hillsborough County school district.
I'm not certain if it's a separate entity or not.
11:37:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, she's stated in her
application she's the executive director so I
would imagine it's a separate organization because
the school district only has one executive
director.
11:37:28 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
They have other entities.

But I will find out.
11:37:33 >> [Off microphone.] A nonprofit organization.
11:37:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And there's got to be a way
that nonprofits are identified as being active in
an area so they can be notified.
11:37:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Councilman Suarez, please.
11:37:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, chair.
I agree with the sentiment of Councilwoman
Montelione.
But I do think that of the three gentlemen that we
selected, only one is part of a group that was
part of the ex-officio members.
I think that was Mr. Perry is part of the West
Tampa CDC.
I don't think that the other two gentlemen
selected were part of any of the other
organizations, in their application.
I may be wrong.
I think there was only one person.
I agree with you, though, when we do these types
of boards, we should be careful that if there is a
membership, you know, that we kind of -- go to
your organization and see if they will select you
as the member representative as opposed to doing
it in that large -- they still have the right to

come forward and ask to be put on as at-large
member but it doesn't guarantee anything.
But I agree with what you were saying,
Councilwoman.
Thank you, chair.
11:38:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
All right.
Anyone else?
The budget -- still dealing with the budget,
correct?
11:39:02 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
The budget was approved.
And we are now going to have a workshop in October
on the service agreement.
Correct?
11:39:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I would say check with the
clerk because I don't think we approved the
budget.
The motion I made was not --
11:39:16 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I stand corrected.
11:39:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So I will make a motion.
I'll move that we accept the budget as presented.
11:39:23 >> Second.
11:39:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Budget and service agreement.
We are approving the budget.
11:39:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Because we have the service
agreement to come back in a workshop.

11:39:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I wanted to clarify.
That motion by Councilman Montelione, seconded by
Councilman Suarez.
No further discussion?
Then all in favor?
Opposed?
Carried unanimously.
Thank you very much.
I would like to ask one more thing at the
workshop.
One of the things that was brought up to me was
alternate for the CAC, because they felt that if
they had all their members -- a lot of these
members have businesses, obligations, and we don't
have that, so that might be something that we
would consider.
11:40:17 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Okay.
Sure.
11:40:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
I think that's all I have.
Anyone else want to add anything to the workshop?
I think we have done a thorough job.
Then we have approved the budget.
The service agreement is workshop.
So we move on to number 9 which is downtown

Community Redevelopment Agency, CRA program
change.
11:40:45 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
And I believe you might have
voted on unless I am mistaken.
11:40:50 >>THE CLERK:
Madam Chair, Jim Crew, city clerk's
office.
I believe there was a motion made by Reddick-Cohen
to move that.
I'm not sure if it was voted on with all the
discussion.
11:41:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.
11:41:03 >> Number 9.
11:41:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Just for clarification, all those
in favor?
Opposed?
Carries unanimously.
Thank you very much.
For bringing that up.
It's been moved to receive and file by Councilman
Reddick, seconded by Councilman Suarez.
All those in favor?
Opposed?
Carries.
We are adjourned.



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