TAMPA CITY COUNCIL

Thursday, December 17, 2015

9:00 a.m. Session



DISCLAIMER:

This file represents an unedited version of realtime
captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete
accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript.
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of third
party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.




09:05:36 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Good morning.

We are going to call this Tampa City Council meeting to

order and I yield to Councilwoman Capin.

>> YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

For our invocation this morning, Jim Crew, who has been an

employee of the City of Tampa for 21 years, member of the

U.S. Air Force retired, reserve, hold a masters of divinity

from Liberty University Baptist Theology Seminary and is a

member of the Emergency Response Chaplain Corp and volunteer

chaplain of the Tampa Bay Region of critical team.

Jim Crew.

Please stand for the invocation and remain standing for the

pledge of allegiance.




>> JIM CREW: Good morning, council.

I want to wish everyone a happy holiday season.

Happy and safe holiday season.

And let's pray.

Thank you, Lord, for this beautiful Florida winter morning

with the wind chill of 71º the week before Christmas.

And for all the Yankees who haven't discovered Tampa yet.

Please do not open their blinded eyes.

Thank you for the season in which we remember all of your

good gifts and your rich blessings to us.

We are truly blessed.

I pray your blessing on each one here today and particularly

those who serve and protect us every day -- law enforcement,

firefighters, and our military members.

Give them all a safe and uneventful holiday season.

And we pray for these your servants on City Council, for our

mayor and all of our city staff and all who serve in

positions of authority, your wisdom, your peace in all

matters before them, and in every decision they must make.

Thank you for their service and bless them for it, for it is

you who rule over the kingdom of men and appoint over us

whom you will.

All these things we ask giving you all the glory and honor

due to your name.

Amen.




(Pledge of Allegiance)

>>FRANK REDDICK: Roll call.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

>>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

>>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

>>HARRY COHEN: Here.

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.

>>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

>>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

All right, before we go to ceremonial activities, let me do

a little housecleaning, and with staff.

We are going to move item number 4 to number 3.

We are going to take public comments just on that item only.

And if we are not finished with the agenda by 11:30 we will

take a pause because several of us have to go to an event

and we will reassemble back at 1:30.

All right, any questions?

Mr. Miranda.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Good morning, honorable chairman, Tampa

City Council, honorable mayor, citizens of the city,

honorable City Council members.

It is my pleasure this morning to be here to make the

presentation on behalf of the council to Corporal Benjamin

E. Brown, Officer of the Month for the month of December

2015.




Corporal?

I'm not a commander so you really didn't have to come.

It's my pleasure to speak to you for everything you have

done, for what the department has done, for how you

represent the City of Tampa, the organization, your union,

the people that you serve, the 350,000 of us.

We are really proud of you, and your department and what you

do and the way that you handle yourselves and others.

And I'm sure that the chief will make some comments on that.

Chief O'Connor.

And it's my pleasure to present to you this plaque that I

will give to you in a minute after the chief talks about

what you have done and what you will continue to do for your

years of service in the TPD, and also what you plan to do in

the future.

Thank you very much for what you have done.

>> Thank you, sir.

>> Good morning, council.

I'm proud to introduce corporal Ben Brown to you.

He's a proud 13-year veteran of the Tampa Police Department,

has extensive experience in all aspects of the department,

but most importantly he's an expert in narcotics

investigation.

And as you can imagine the narcotics, the traffickers and

the people that are dealing drugs in our community are




involved in a lot of other crimes as well.

So targeting narcotics dealers is a real practice and

something that really benefits the community.

So what Corporal Brown did is he brought his narcotics

experience when he was reassigned to a rapid offender

control squad in district 1, and what he does with what he

expect our supervisors to do is to not only guide, direct

our troops, but also teach them.

So what he did is he took his extensive expertise and

brought it to his troops and taught them how to do these

complicated investigations.

We are going to tell you about a couple of them.

In West Tampa, there was a drug trafficker that was dealing

narcotics out of his home.

Corporal Brown did a search warrant for the home and taught

the troops how to help as well, and they arrested the

suspect.

They located 32 grams of cocaine, two pounds of marijuana,

numerous items of paraphernalia and a .45 handgun.

So that was a really good search warrant.

There was another one where he did a joint narcotics deal on

west Hillsborough Avenue, utilized a confidential informant,

purchased $500 worth of heroin from the subject, ended up

making an arrest, charged that dealer with trafficking,

possession of cocaine and numerous drug charges.




Corporal Brown also -- he did one additional deal, and he

was able to identify a dealer that had 465 grams of crystal

meth on him.

So he had single-handedly taken a great role in identifying

narcotics dealers, teaching his squad to do the same.

He leads by example.

We are very proud to have him as a member of the Tampa

Police Department.

And he is being given the Officer of the Month award.

Thank you.

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Good morning, council.

I'm Vinny Gericitano, president of the Tampa Police

Benevolent Association. Joining me is Abe Carmack, Vice

President of the Tampa PBA.

I'm very proud to say that Ben here is a member of the Tampa

PBA.

We are very proud of the stuff he's done for both our

agencies, and for the citizens of the City of Tampa.

On a personal note, actually Ben was, when I first came to

TPD, Ben was one of my trainers.

So he kind of influenced me and got me to where I am today.

So I appreciate that, Ben.

On behalf of the Tampa PBA we want to give you a token of

our appreciation for being a good member.




>> Thank you very much.

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Good morning, council.

I'm Jeff Houck here representing the Columbia restaurant

group.

On behalf of the Gonzmart family we would like to present a

$110 gift card to Corporal Brown marking 110 years of

continuous family ownership of the Columbia.

It's good at one of the seven Columbia restaurants in

Florida.

On this date, 112 years ago, the same day the Wright

brothers flew in their first flight, the Columbia opened in

Ybor City and two years later that begat the Columbia

restaurant.

We hope you enjoy your meal at the Columbia.

Thank you for all you do for the community.

>> Thank you.

I appreciate it.

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Good morning, council.

Happy holiday.

Dan Mathis, chief security for the Straz Center.

Thank you, Corporal Brown, for what you do.

Narcotics is a dangerous area, a lot of things going on in

the underworld, as well as citizens, participants in law




enforcement.

Thank you for all that you do.

Now, I want to say these are special tickets.

I want to say congratulations, and Merry Christmas.

This is The Sound Of Music for Christmas night.

So Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Join us at the Straz Center Christmas for a special show.

>> Thank you very much, sir.

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Stepps Towing Service.

Congratulations on behalf of Stepps Towing for everything

you do for our community.

We would like to present with you a $50 gift card.

And to get you there, we want to take your best crew out in

the company limousine for a night out.

Give us a call whenever you're ready to go out and we'll get

you there.

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Jim Carson, Bill Currie Ford.

We see many officers come into our dealership.

And, of course, this month you rose to the top.

We have a 2015 custom Mustang patrol car for you.

>> Thank you very much.

>> Thank you, congratulations.

>> Joe Durkin on behalf of Bright House Networks.




Congratulations.

Thanks for the service that you do out there.

From all your friends at bright house, we present you one

month of services complimentary.

Congratulations.

09:15:58 >> Thank you, appreciate it.

09:16:03 >> Good morning.

My name is Kelly Dixon.

I'm representing the Doubletree by Tampa Airport Westshore.

After you go to the Straz Center and see "The Sound of

Music," we'd love you to come over and have a night's stay

on us.

[ APPLAUSE ]

09:16:22 >> Congratulations, Corporal Brown.

On behalf of Crockett's Towing and Transport and Scotty

Crockett and Kirby Crockett, we'd like to congratulate you

for a job well done.

A small token of our appreciation, you can add this $50 Bass

Pro Shop card to the one you got.

09:16:44 >> Good morning, Council.

My name is Linda on behalf of the Diversity Initiative.

We want to thank you for your service and we would like to

present you three tickets to the Tampa Bay lightning game.

Thank you for your service.

Merry Christmas and happy holidays.




[ APPLAUSE ]

09:17:07 >> Corporal Brown, the Chief and I and Tampa City Council

and all the citizens in Tampa wish to present you with this

commendation to you, sir, for being officer of the month in

December, 2015.

Thank you for all you've done and for all you continue to

do.

[ APPLAUSE ]

09:17:29 >> Thank you very much.

This means a lot to me.

Like the Chief said, I've been doing this 13 years.

This is my first honor being able to come in front of City

Council and receive this award.

Thank you very much for that.

Even though this is an individual award, I couldn't have

done what I did to get this award without the help and the

team that's around me, from the guys at my squad, my

sergeant, my chain of command, chief's office, they allow me

to be able to do what I do.

It's with a great appreciation that I work with them and for

them.

With that in mind, I would like to thank and recognize the

members of my squad, my chain of command for this award and

obviously City Council for recognizing it.

I would also like to thank the businesses for coming here




and backing the officers and presenting what you guys do for

everybody.

It's greatly appreciated and it means a lot to all officers

who receive it.

Obviously, I would like to thank my family for their

understanding, the hours I work and what I do.

I'd like to close by saying that I think I speak for all

officers when I say we don't do this for recognition or

appreciation, but it is nice and it is wonderful to have

that when we do get it.

So thank you very much.

[ APPLAUSE ]

09:19:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
The second item will be a presentation by

Mr. Maniscalco.

09:19:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Today I'm proud to welcome and present

this commendation to Ms. Ashley Brundage with PNC bank.

Just a little background, PNC bank employs 55,000 people

nationwide.

Each year, they have the PNC performance award.

There were 700 nominations from those 55,000 people and only

one from Florida was the winner, which is our very own

Ashley Brundage, a Tampa native.

We are very proud to call you one of our own here in Tampa.

Thank you for putting us in the national spotlight.

Something very, very positive.




Proud to call you my friend.

On behalf of Tampa City Council, I'd like to present you

with this commendation.

[ APPLAUSE ]

09:20:26 >> Thank you so much, Council, for having me.

Congratulations to Corporal brown.

I think what he does is amazing for our community.

It is a great pleasure and gratitude that I accept this

commendation from you, for my work in the community and my

work at PNC bank.

Obviously, we're here today to help because of the

recognition and celebration that the City of Tampa has done

to advance their score on the municipality index for the

human rights ordinances.

What I do in the community wouldn't be possible without that

ordinance, so it's incredibly important to me.

Personally involved in the community.

I am the president of the Tampa Bay Gay and Lesbian Chamber

of Commerce.

And as president, we've done a lot of things to advance our

community.

We created a mentorship program to help LGBTA youth.

We also have a scholarship that's brand-new this year that

is given to LGBTA youth and LGBT lesbian, gay, bisexual, and

transgender, and allies would be the A.




Very excited we have the opportunity to present that

first-ever scholarship award on Saturday, January 16th at

the Tampa Garden Club on Bayshore.

We're very excited to be back in Tampa for that event and

that Tampa is the host city.

My involvement in the community can't be possible without

all of the support that I get at home, so I wanted to

recognize my wonderful wife of 13 years, Whitney Brundage,

who's here.

[ APPLAUSE ]

And my wonderful sons, Brice and Blake.

Brice has joined today also.

[ APPLAUSE ]

And while I'm involved in so many LGBT organizations, I made

a point to try to get more involved in the community as a

whole.

If you have anything that you might want me to be involved

with, please let me know.

I'm more than happy to share my expertise.

I'm going to leave you with this.

One of my favorite people, the honorable Harvey milk who

said, "All young people regardless of sexual orientation or

identity deserve a safe and supportive environment in which

to achieve their full potential."

So thank you.




[ APPLAUSE ]

09:23:09 >>FRANK REDDICK:
You made Mr. Maniscalco look tall.

[ LAUGHTER ]

At this time, Ms. Little.

Do you want to come forward?

09:23:38 >> Good morning, Council members, Mr. Chairman, Council,

happy holidays.

Sonya Little, revenue and finance.

Thank you for the opportunity to come before you to provide

this staff report as it relates to the proposed stadium

agreement that's presented on your agenda this morning.

I would like to start by giving you a bit of background.

Thank you for the opportunity to meet with each one of you

on an individual basis, but for the sake of public

information, I would like to provide you once again with the

following information.

As you're aware, the stadium renovation agreement has been a

collaborative effort between the stakeholders as it relates

to the stadium.

That includes, of course, the City of Tampa, Hillsborough

County, the Tampa Sports Authority and the Tampa Bay

Buccaneers.

Many have contributed to this effort, but joining us today

are representatives from each one of the stakeholders for

the interested parties who have directly worked on this




transaction for numerous months.

Joining us today, here in City Council chamber is Ms. Bonnie

Wise, and I believe Mr. Sam Hamilton couldn't make it today

with Hillsborough County.

Also joining us is Mr. Eric Hart and Steve Anderson with the

Tampa Sports Authority.

We also have Brian Ford and Tim Hunt from the Buccaneers,

Jorge Martin from the City Attorney's office, and I worked

very closely together during this process.

Again, there were many others that contributed to this

entire process.

In the audience with us today are Santiago Corrado with

Visit Tampa Bay.

Mr. Rob Higgins from the Tampa Sports Commission, and Chris

Rossbach with Feld Entertainment.

Your agenda package includes the proposed agreement as well

as letters of support from other stakeholders as it relates

to the agreement.

You have letters in your agenda package from USF, Outback

Bowl, Feld Entertainment, Visit Tampa Bay, and the Tampa

Sports Commission.

You may be aware, the proposed agreement has already been

approved by the Tampa Sports Authority board on Tuesday,

December 15th and yesterday by the board of county

commissioners on December 16th.




Additionally, just as a matter of formality, just to outline

the background, the stadium, as you well know, is owned by

the county and operated by the Tampa Sports Authority.

Under the terms of the original 1996 stadium agreement, the

city and the county has the contractual obligation to fund

any operating shortfalls and also to -- there is contractual

obligation to fund certain capital improvements to the

stadium.

We also have a contractual obligation to fund the operating

and capital requirements on a two-thirds and one-third basis

with one-third being the responsibility of the City of

Tampa.

Under the original 1996 agreement, the city and the county

have contractually -- a contractual obligation to fund

$25.8 million in capital projects.

We've spoken to you since January of this year as it relates

to our plan to fund that $25.8 million obligation.

So that obligation is there no matter what.

The proposed agreement in front of you reflects a total

project cost of $86.5 million.

That amount is comprised of the $25 million that we just

spoke about that we're contractually obligated to fund, plus

an additional 3 million that I'll get into a little bit

further as far as the explanation and an additional

$57.6 million coming from the buccaneers, which in this




agreement is referred to the buccaneers football stadium

limited partnership, or the BSLP.

Actually, that is a 2:1 ratio when it is compared to the

funding requirements of the city and the county.

The team has no current obligation under the original 1996

agreement to fund any improvements related to the stadium.

However, under the terms of the newly proposed agreement

before you, the team will provide at least the $57.6 million

to both enhance and/or expand the projects that the city and

the county are contractually obligated to fund.

Of the $28.8 million coming from the TSA, I mentioned that

the $25.8 million we're contractually obligated to fund

under the '96 stadium agreement.

The county has committed to using fourth cent tourist

development taxes to fund the additional 3 million.

So in total, the 28.8 million will come from cash flow

savings generated from two bond issues that we refunded

through the TSA earlier this year, from the future fourth

cent tourist development tax financing that's been committed

to by the county.

And just want to point out that no City of Tampa general

fund monies will be used to fund this project at all.

None of our obligation will be funded with our general fund

money.

For clarification purposes, the tourist development tax




dollars, and specifically the fourth cent is a restricted

revenue source paid by visitors to Hillsborough County and

the funds can be used to pay debt service and bonds issued

to finance the construction, reconstruction, or renovation

of a professional sports facility as the county has

committed to doing in this case.

The stadium project will be completed in two phases with

government dollars being provided on a reimbursement basis.

BSLP will only be reimbursed for project costs.

After BSLP has spent $43.5 million for the completion of the

projects listed in schedule 1 of the agreement, then they

will be reimbursed $14.5 million.

Additionally, after BSLP has spent a total of $43 million

for the completion of the projects listed in schedule 2 of

the agreement, the TSA will reimburse BSLP $14.3 million.

Other provisions of the agreement that are critically

important to the city are that the team will be responsible

for any incremental cost associated with the maintenance of

the upgraded projects.

They'll also be responsible for 100% of the maintenance cost

associated with all new projects under the plan.

The agreement also requires that BSLP be in compliance for

construction purposes with the county's minority program.

09:31:12 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Ms. Little, just for the general public,

would you say what BSLP stands for?




09:31:19 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Yes, sir, the formal name of BSLP buccaneers

football stadium limited partnership.

BSLP.

09:31:38 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

09:31:41 >>SONYA LITTLE:
At the Wednesday TSA board meeting as part

of presentation and information provided to the board,

Mr. Todd Fultz, VP of Manhattan construction spoke to the

firm's commitment as it relates to minority participation

under the county's program.

Very important to the City of Tampa were discussions as it

relates to revenue sharing or split under the current

agreement, you'll recall, that the first $2 million in

profits for any events other than buccaneer NFL games, the

first $2 million of those profits go to the team.

And then 50/50 percent split after that.

Under the proposed agreement, that term, which, again, is

very important to us, because it impacts our general fund

subsidy to the stadium.

Under the new terms, that provision will be modified to

reflect that the split remains the same with the first

$2 million going to the team, but instead of 50/50

thereafter, up to $3.5 million will be split 67%, 33%, in

favor of the TSA.

Again, a benefit to the City of Tampa because it will

decrease the general fund subsidy.




Then it reverts back to 50/50 anything above $3.5 million.

And if we look at that and assume that the full $3.5 million

is realized, that would mean an additional $255,000 to the

TSA.

Again, benefiting the City of Tampa as it relates to the

general fund -- a decrease in the general fund subsidy.

That's just over a quarter of a million dollars.

Again, we've had many discussions as it relates to the

practice facility allowance.

And during these negotiations and under the terms of the

proposed agreement, that liability as for the practice

facility allowance where the City of Tampa and the county

and other cities in the county use the cash on hand and the

reserves for the practice facility totaling $11.6 million.

And it was a potential liability, contingent liability to

the cities and the county as it relates to that

$11.6 million.

$2.59 million of that was directly to the City of Tampa.

With that being said, under the proposed agreement, that

contingent liability has been released.

So we have completely satisfied the practice facility

allowance.

And that's really important to us because we no longer have

to report it as contingent liability to our creditors,

rating agency, and investors.




These are the main salient features as it relates to the

practice facility agreement.

The agreement identifies the scope of the project and

provides the project time lines, responsibilities, and

reimbursements.

It coordinates the schedules of events during construction.

It identifies the maintenance responsibilities completed --

after completion of the improvement.

It speaks to the guidelines and laws of minority business

participation.

It allows the buccaneers to move one preseason game out of

the area each year surrounding the construction.

And as it relates to post-construction with no negative

impact to the city and county, it permanently removes the

potential financial liability of the $11.6 million to the

county, the city, the TSA and other cities.

And very important to us again is that it modifies an

existing revenue sharing agreement that will make it more

favorable to both the city and the county.

With that, I'd be happy to entertain any questions.

09:36:04 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Before we do that, I want to recognize and

have come forward Mr. Corrado.

09:36:18 >> Wow!

Déjà vu.

After two years, it's certainly great to be back here at the




podium.

Some things don't change in two years.

Mr. Miranda will probably say I've grown shorter by six

inches and my hair has grown longer by six inches.

I can tell you as a city administrator, when I always

presented before you, I stuck to the facts so that you could

make the best decision possible before you.

And so the facts are very clear, as Ms. Little has already

mentioned, and I have to underscore, because sometimes in

the press, things are mentioned and then folks have a

reaction to it.

No general tax dollars are involved in the renovations that

are before you.

The tourist development tax is a locally raised tax in our

hotels, by visitors that decide to stay in a rental

property.

And those are the dollars that have been authorized by the

state for counties to collect, and in this case, the fourth

percent, the fourth cent that is being talked about can only

be used for work at Raymond James Stadium and/or marketing

or promotion of the destination.

So that is a fact.

There are no general tax dollars as part of the tourist

development tax unless any of us tonight who live in City of

Tampa, Hillsborough County decide to stay at the Marriott




Waterside or any other hotel in Hillsborough County and we

pay the tax.

That is the only way that our locals are involved in

contributing to the tourist development tax.

Having said that, there is a good reason why the tourist

development tax can be allocated for sports facilities, and

that's because of the impact that they can have on

visitation.

Again, sticking to the facts on how a facility like Raymond

James affects the hotel industry, I'll just throw out some

facts for you.

We can go back to Super Bowl 2009, and we'll come a little

bit closer in time.

In 2009, the Super Bowl produced over 60,000 room nights and

over 140,000 visitors to the destination.

It resulted in 3.9 million dollars' worth of related media

expenditures or exposure.

When we come a little bit closer in time and we just

recently hosted the international Indian film academy

awards, and this is not Santiago's data, this is not visit

Tampa Bay's data, this is Smith travel research data.

For the night that we hosted April 26 at Raymond James

Stadium, the IIFA awards, we saw a 21.1% increase in hotel

occupancy in Hillsborough County.

These are hotels, mind you, that pay into ad valorem taxes




not only in the city, but the county as well.

That week, we saw double-digit increases amongst all indices

that showed the sustainability and health of our industry.

Rates, occupancy, and revenue per available room.

In fact, on the night of April 26, hotel revenues were over

$2 million or a 62% increase over the same date the year

before.

So we can attribute a lot of that to hosting that event at

Raymond James Stadium.

Taylor Swift, talk about Taylor.

We've talked about Taylor a lot.

October 31st, just a short month ago, on the night that

Taylor performed, we estimate that there were 9,000

incremental room nights in Hillsborough County that were

used.

Occupancy around the county was 89.1%.

Hotel revenues again broke the $2 million mark and were 62%

higher than the previous night when we didn't have Taylor.

You really have to look at the variables that affect the

numbers that I'm speaking about.

Those are facts, and they are not my facts.

They are somebody else's facts about the health that exists

in the hotel industry.

We're not going to get into the indirect spending and all

that, because economists love having that conversation.




I'm not here to have that conversation.

I'm here to have the effect on the hotel industry that

supports our local economy with jobs and ad valorem tax.

There is a reason why the bed tax can support investments in

convention centers, in sports arenas, and in stadiums.

And that's because they can affect visitation to a

destination.

Many, many years ago, this community wisely or unwisely,

depending on who you talked to, decided to invest in

building a stadium, an arena, and a convention center.

And, yes, facilities age.

And to replace my AC unit at home, I didn't like spending

$8,000 on it, but I had to replace my AC unit at home.

It aged.

Our facility has aged, and it makes it harder and harder to

compete when most other NFL communities have invested in

their facilities.

Rob Higgins will tell you about the day to day of really,

really selling our community to bring big-scale events like

a college football national championship game, which we have

here in 2017, and the super bowls that we're bidding on for

'19 and '20 and the struggles that sometimes we face when

we're facing facilities that have invested in themselves

with all of the things that we're talking about investing in

ours here today.




Again, to underscore, I think I can speak for bob Morrison,

who is the head of the Hillsborough County hotel/motel

association, they are in support because they understand the

value.

And we've seen hotels in this county invest like never

before.

That's private investment in our community.

New hotels, new restaurants, new attractions at Busch

Gardens, all focused on driving visitation and making us one

of the best destinations in the world.

I think I've already used up my time allotment.

It's great to see all of you from here and not out in the

community, which is also very, very nice, but it feels like

home being here at the podium and being able to address you

this morning.

Thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity.

09:42:40 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

Mr. Higgins.

Some of the great potential we have with major renovation

taking place at the stadium.

09:42:54 >> Good morning, everybody.

My name is Rob Higgins.

I'm executive Director of the Tampa Bay Sports Commission.

Fortunate to be surprised and get a chance to sit next to




really the father of sports tourism in our community,

Leonard Levy.

Leonard was responsible for bringing the first Super Bowl to

our community.

We've been fortunate to learn a lot from him.

Probably the most valuable lesson that he's taught us is you

don't only focus on bringing in an event here one time, you

focus on bringing it back.

I think that's what our community has done really well.

Capitalized on the opportunity Leonard had with the first

Super Bowl, and we know it's been successful because it

comes back three more times.

We know the women's final four has been successful because

they not only came here in 2008 for the first time in the

history of the State of Florida, it's come back a second

time and we've been awarded a third.

Frozen four which came to the southeast for the first time

in the 64-year history in 2012 is coming back the fastest

it's come back to a community in 20 years.

Now we embark upon a monumental opportunity in 2017 with the

college football playoff national championship.

We're not focused on having it just one time.

We're focused, like Leonard taught us, on bringing it back.

That's an event last year in Dallas that brought 85,000

people to the game.




It's an event that we anticipate doing over 60,000 hotel

visitor room nights.

It puts us on a major national stage.

Santiago mentioned the Super Bowl bid.

We're currently a finalist for 2019 and 2020.

We're one of four finalists for that event.

The other three finalists, New Orleans, who was in the last

five years, has done a $300 million renovation.

Miami, who is in the middle of a $400 million plus

renovation, and Atlanta, who's got a billion-dollar

brand-new stadium on the way as part of their bid package.

The competition is fierce.

Living in the trenches every single day in terms of going

after these events, it's certainly a competitive landscape,

but it's not just about these major events in terms of

recruiting these, they lead to smaller events that you

never, quite frankly, hear about, but drive weekend business

each and every weekend here.

Last year, we attracted nearly 120 of those youth and

ateur events.

That reputation, that stage of being able to host the Super

Bowl helps deliver those events as well, because that's who

we are.

That's the DNA of team Tampa Bay.

We not only get these events, we do a great job with them




and we end up getting them back.

And so we ask that you support this agreement today so that

not only will we get these events, but we're able to help

bring them back.

And these are events that help fund 46,000 hotel employees'

salaries, tips, their families.

So while Santiago and I are just -- on a good day, we come

representing all those employees in what these events mean

to them as well.

We appreciate the time.

Certainly, we ask that you -- we come hat in hand asking

that you support this agreement this morning.

09:46:22 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Before I entertain questions from the

Council, Mr. Levy, would you wish to say a word or two?

09:46:38 >> Very quickly.

Santiago --

09:46:43 >>FRANK REDDICK:
State your name for the record.

09:46:46 >> Leonard levy.

I'm retired.

I'm an old man.

I was disappointed because I first walked in here, Charlie

didn't have his black on.

I thought maybe he changed.

Rob touched on it.

The national football league is going to new facilities.




They like going to new stadiums.

We obviously are not going to build a new stadium, but we

can make these upgrades so we can compete with the new

stadium.

Other than the one going into Atlanta now, St. Louis

probably -- they just approved a billion dollars to build a

new stadium to keep the rams.

I can guarantee you LA will have a new stadium, and that

will be our competition.

We have a small window here.

And we can't guarantee that this is approved we'll have

another Super Bowl.

But we can guarantee you that if we don't do it, we won't

have another Super Bowl.

It's as simple as that.

Thank you.

09:47:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Ms. Little, let me ask you one question, and then I'll open

it up to questions from the Council.

If we did not approve this agreement, this Council, what is

the risk to the city?

09:48:15 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Several things, number one, our contractual

obligation to fund the $25.8 million remains the same.

A couple of things will happen is that we will not have the

benefit of the revisions to the revenue sharing provision




under the agreement where we stand to gain the -- the TSA

stands to gain at least over a quarter of a million dollars

in additional revenues.

Beyond that, we fully anticipate with the added space that

the buccaneers are providing the improvements and the

ability to generate additional revenues, we would also

likely lose that ability as well.

09:49:02 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Final question, in your professional

opinion as part of negotiation and discussion with all of

the different partners that was involved in this process,

even though this is not a perfect agreement, but do you feel

that this is the best agreement we have and do you support

us signing off on this agreement?

09:49:31 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Yes, sir.

Having been part of all of the discussions since the

beginning, fully understanding the original 1996 stadium

agreement and the discussions as it relates to our options,

when the City of Tampa representatives went in to these

discussions, we decided that we wanted to be certainly as a

stakeholder in this a partner, a community partner with the

county, the TSA, and the team.

However, our ultimate goal was to protect the interest of

the City of Tampa.

That meant to us doing all that we could to decrease the

annual operating and capital subsidy to the stadium, because




that impacts our general fund.

And because we've ended up with an agreement that funding

for these projects do not come from any of the city's

general fund revenues, but we are receiving a benefit to our

general fund by decreasing our annual operating and capital

subsidy, I feel comfortable in recommending this agreement,

Mr. Chairman.

09:50:34 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

Any questions from Council?

Ms. Montelione.

09:50:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Little.

As we discussed when we had our briefing, I've been wanting

to crack open this agreement for a long time.

And the initial agreement did not favor the city in a lot of

ways.

Can you tell me or estimate what the 67/33 split would mean

in revenues to the city?

09:51:06 >>SONYA LITTLE:
To the city, it will decrease, we believe

initially, not assuming that any of the other, that we

exceed the $3.5 million threshold, we believe that of the

255,000, roughly 50,000 would be a direct benefit to the

city.

And, again, that's not including the potential to exceed

that $3.5 million in net profits to the TSA.




09:51:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And where does that money end up?

09:51:38 >>SONYA LITTLE:
That money is really a savings that we will

not have to pay out from our general fund money.

09:51:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So, how much are we spending roughly

estimated now not with the current agreement, which is the

50/50 split?

09:51:57 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Right now, we've been fortunate, the

project, the $25.8 million in projects that we've been

talking about, that is our contractual obligation, we've not

spent anything on that, because we have delayed projects.

We are at a point right now that we can no longer be in

compliance with the 1996 agreement by delaying those

projects any further.

It was only agreed that we could delay those projects

proceeding with funding for those projects, because we were

in negotiations with the buccaneers to both expand and add

to the project.

To date, we have not budgeted nor have we paid out anything

for those capital improvements.

Moving forward, we will have to.

On the operating side we have over the past 9, 10 years our

subsidy has totaled -- we're in 2015, the City of Tampa paid

a total of $735,000 to the TSA for purposes of operating the

stadium.

09:53:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So you're saying that the 1996 agreement




would require us to spend additional funds.

09:53:33 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Correct.

09:53:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And if we didn't renegotiate this -- that

'96 agreement, we would only be receiving or a savings of

whatever was reflected by the 50/50 split of revenue.

So now our split is 67/33, so we'll have less of an

obligation -- expenditures, because of that increase in our

percentage.

09:54:02 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Yes, ma'am.

It's important in that respect, and it's important in the

respect that because of the improvements to the facility

potential to generate even greater amounts of revenues will

benefit us over and beyond up to that $3.5 million in

profits.

09:54:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I only have one other question.

It's on page 2.

It says, BSLP's intention to contribute additional funding

for additional stadium improvements that would increase the

value of all stadium improvements to an amount in excess of

100 million.

Would that increase in value, that's not a dollar-for-dollar

expenditure.

09:54:47 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Right.

Under the agreement, Councilwoman, the BSLP is contractually

obligated to fund 57.6 million minimally in conjunction with




the city and the county's contribution of $28.8 million for

a total of 86.5.

So in the agreement, it does speak to the value, but that is

a minimum contribution under the contract.

BSLP has indicated that they are considering contributing

even a greater amount, even though they are not

contractually obligated.

09:55:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I just wanted to point out the difference

between actual dollars and value because that is an awful

big number.

09:55:33 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Yes, ma'am.

09:55:33 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

If there are no questions, we'll go to public comment.

Mr. Suarez.

09:55:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.

I apologize.

Ms. Little, a quick question, you said something a few

minutes ago that perked me up a little bit.

It's something I didn't think about when we met privately.

And I apologize for asking you this now because I didn't

think of it at the time.

We have an obligation in terms of our -- I should say, a

detriment to our own ability to -- not refinance, but for

our bond rating, because of an obligation.

The obligation comes from the CIT fourth cent, is that what




it is?

Were we the pass-through or the owner of the bond in order

for that to be an obligation to us?

09:56:24 >>SONYA LITTLE:
We were a party to the contractual

obligation to fund the practice facility.

The $11.6 million that was held in reserve came from

countywide CIT funding of which the City of Tampa was a

stakeholder as far as generating CIT dollars.

09:56:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I guess my point is, is that is money that we

would have been able to spend or not spend, depending on the

situation, that particular amount was tied up into that

because of this contractual obligation.

09:56:59 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Yes, sir, it was.

For many years tied up.

09:57:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
When you said no general revenue will be

going to using this, we actually would have had to use

general revenue because of the obligation that we have here,

correct, if we did not do some of the re-fi and some of the

other things that we have because it's still an obligation.

09:57:17 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Correct.

09:57:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And the rating agencies look at it only as an

obligation and not as anything other than that.

They don't get that much into the weeds other than we know

you owe this amount of money.

We know that you're going to have to do something to pay it.




How are you going to do it, correct?

09:57:32 >>SONYA LITTLE:
That's correct.

If I can just clarify two different things.

Practice facility allowance being separate from the cash

flow savings that we generated from the bond refinancings,

if we're talking about that cash flow savings that we

generated from the bond financing, yes, that is a separate

pot of money that we had planned to fund some of these

projects to relieve our burden on our general fund.

Over and beyond that to answer what I think is your question

regarding the rating agencies, when they review us for any

of our credits, they look at our contingent liability and

included, we have to report that the $2.6 million that we

received from the practice facility allowance is still a

contingent liability, although we have received the money

from the allowance, it had not been legally released, but it

will be legally released upon signing this agreement.

09:58:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Once this contract is executed, that would

then be released back.

09:58:38 >>SONYA LITTLE:
Yes, sir.

That's correct.

09:58:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a question for Mr. Martin, sir, okay,

as I understand this -- correct me if I'm wrong -- we don't

own the stadium.

Hillsborough County owns the stadium now.




The Sports Authority was created by state law back in 1965

or '66.

I think it was '65.

They are a special district or an independent district.

Why are we a part of this contract originally from 1996 just

because of the obligations that Ms. Little just mentioned,

meaning that we were going to use some of our bonded CIT

dollars specifically to help build and operate this?

And why are we continually being one-third of this

particular triumvirate?

09:59:27 >> Under the 1996 agreement, the City of Tampa as well as

the county joined in the agreement because TSA, although

it's an independent agency, depends solely on revenue.

If revenue was insufficient, the municipality and the county

pitched in to make up any differences in both operation and

also in capital improvements.

So, therefore, our obligation for the operation subsidy,

which goes every year, it's contractual.

Has been the same since 1996 and will remain the same

because this does not aggregate or kill the '96 agreement.

It modifies certain portions of that.

And in the big picture, much to the benefit of both the

municipality and the county.

10:00:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Let me interrupt you just a second.

I'm getting back more to, is there ever a possibility after




this agreement expires in 2028 I believe is the new

expiration date for this one, am I correct?

Either 2025 or 2028.

10:00:36 >> It's 2028.

10:00:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
2028, that we would no longer have to be

one-third of the obligation to help maintain the facility?

Because part of the reason to do the renovation is that for

it to be more self-sustaining, now, again, the reason why in

'65 they partnered with the city, especially the city, is

because the city was able to put some dollars into it to

help build and get the original bond issue for the building

of the stadium.

I can't remember what it was.

I think it was $3 million or something like that, maybe 5

million.

My point is that, is there ever a time that you can see that

we might be able to get out of this obligation after the

expiration of this particular agreement?

10:01:18 >> I don't have a crystal ball.

In the big picture again, I doubt there would be a situation

when the 2028 agreement comes through that it would not be

renegotiated without the inclusion of the city.

Because the city will want to participate in the maintenance

of this asset, because it is a community asset, or because

the other parties will want the city to participate as well.




Again, it will be a matter of contracting.

It is an obligation that arises from contract.

10:01:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Well, the only problem I have is because

we're not the owners of the stadium, you know, I'm a big

believer in making sure that the things we own, we care for,

and we make sure that it's maintained and renovated and

upgraded whenever we need it, I'm not saying that the

stadium is not a community asset or the buccaneers are not a

community asset.

I believe that it is, and all the events that go on there,

but it does seem kind of strange to me that we're still a

signatory to giving money for operating and we're not an

owner.

We do get a benefit of it, but at the same time, we're not

an owner, and maybe at some point, maybe whoever your

successor is in this office may have some idea in terms of

what we might be able to do later on.

Again, it's just something that that piqued in my head.

We don't own this place.

We don't do anything other than give money to it.

We now have an obligation and a detriment to our bond rating

by virtue of this agreement.

Again, it's not your doing.

It's not my doing, but it's something we have to deal with.

10:02:55 >> Well, just to clarify, our obligation, for example, our




impact on our bond reporting and whatever goes away if we

execute this document.

10:03:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's my point about renegotiating that we

don't have the obligation anymore.

10:03:12 >> After a joinder party, we definitely want to be part of

this modification.

What happens in 1928, I don't know.

Hopefully I will not be here, but I will make sure my

successor hears what you have to say.

10:03:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I'm not going to be here in 2028 either.

10:03:30 >> 1928, I wasn't even born.

Again, 2028.

Jorge Martin, City of Tampa attorney's office.

10:03:38 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Let us go through public comment, and then

we'll have time for deliberation from the Council before we

end up buying a stadium for the citizens.

Anyone wish to speak on this item, on this particular item

only?

You cannot speak on anything else but this particular item.

If you want to talk about something else, you got to wait

till later on.

All right.

Now, we're just taking public comment on this particular

item.

All right.




Then let's go.

Please state your name.

You have three minutes.

10:04:19 >> Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Council members.

I'm Fred Van Cleave.

2930 Hillside Ramble Drive, Brandon, Florida.

I'd like to talk about this agreement, absolutely.

I've been a resident of Hillsborough County for 49 years.

I grew up in Tampa, and I remember what it was like around

here before there was any such thing as the Tampa Bay

Buccaneers.

I remember when we almost lost the Bucs because of a stadium

issue.

I remember going off in my military career for 23 years to

14 other major cities, not a single one had an NFL team and

there wasn't a whole lot going on there.

I'll tell you that.

Now, being one of 32 NFL cities in the world brings a huge

spotlight on our area, on our city.

It brings amazing visibility for our community, what we do

as taxpayers, as a government with that visibility is up to

us.

So the Bucs are bringing the attention.

We need to shape that and make this a better place on TV.

It improves our quality of life, our economic prosperity.




I've had a great time this week doing a kind of whirlwind

tour of the city and county governments, offering some

comments, because I felt compelled to speak to the facts of

this whole issue as I've seen it all played out in the media

and in the political processes.

This isn't to me a political issue.

It's not a -- it's not an issue about new taxes, as we've

just proven that.

This is an issue of fax, of investment in our community and

so investment in our stadium.

We're talking about a $29 million investment of our money to

get us a more than $100 million capital improvement in our

asset.

That's pretty amazing.

The alternative as I heard it today, we have to pay

$26 million plus $12 million to get $26 million.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

Now, what really is kind of something to point out now, you

look at example of visibility just tonight, this is game

day.

You will hear tonight on national TV, piped into some

international places Tampa, Tampa Bay, probably several

hundred times.

If the Bucs weren't here, how many times would that be?

Zero.




Now, I'll mention this also, so with our stadium, I've been

to four other NFL stadiums, two in the last year.

One in Houston and one in Detroit.

Beautiful facilities.

The game-day experience doesn't even compare, though, to

what the Bucs put on.

Now, imagine what the Bucs put on game day experience with

the facility that even rivals or is close to what they have,

and we've got an amazing place for Super Bowl destination.

Please, Council, I urge you, approve this agreement in full.

Thank you.

10:07:20 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Next.

10:07:30 >> My name is James Worley.

I've got something I would like to share here.

I'm not great with the research, but this story is taken

from the Miami Herald.

It's an archive story about back in 1988, Florida

legislature passed a law that would allow sports stadiums to

collect $2 million per year from the government to build

shiny new stadiums that would increase economic investment

and improve the quality of life.

Tucked into the statutes is an obscure homeless shelter

provision, which has mostly been ignored for 23 years and

could be a 300 million-dollar oops for stadiums, arenas, and

spring-training facilities across the state.




The state law that sports teams that accept taxpayers'

dollars to build facilities must house the homeless on off

nights and lawmakers have brought it back from the dead in a

pair of bills gaining steam in this legislative session.

Senate bill 816, which would make teams and stadium owners

return millions of taxpayer dollars if they cannot prove

that they've been operating as a haven for the homeless on

nonevent nights past its first committee Senate on Monday

with unanimous vote.

Now, from what I've seen here, this bill failed.

However, this brings my question about this obscure law.

Is it on the books?

And are they required to provide shelter for the homeless?

If not, I would request that the city, which the county

seems to want to ignore it, find out if they are going to

provide this funding and you're going to make this

agreement, we need to find out, are they following up on

this provision or this law.

Are they doing their assistance?

Yes, the community, you know, people benefit from watching

football.

It's a great plus, but also, those tourists that come in

that fill the hotels and stuff have to deal with the people

that are doing the panhandling and the people that are

sleeping on the streets and creating the homeless problem




that it seems that the county just wants to kind of brush

off.

Thank you.

10:09:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you, Mr. Worley and thank you again

for the work you do with the homeless, finding the family of

Jeanie, the one lady recently.

It was a phenomenal achievement.

There is a statute on the books.

It's 288.1166.

It passed in 1988.

Professional sports facility designation as a shelter site

for the homeless, establishment of local programs, any

professional sports facility constructed with financial

assistance from the State of Florida shall be designated as

a shelter site for the homeless in accordance with the

criteria of locally existing homeless shelter programs,

except when the facility otherwise contractually obligated

for a specific event or activity.

Should a local program not be in existence in the facility's

area, such program shall be established in accordance with

normally accepted criteria as defined by the county or its

designee.

I'll be looking into what that means.

And the bill that you were referring to was by senator

Bennett in 2012, and that was to provide reports to the




auditor general on the stadiums and whether or not they were

in compliance, and that bill did die.

What the current statute that was passed in 1988 means is

apparently up to interpretation.

So we'll be looking into that and I'll be asking the Legal

Department to do that at the end of this session so that we

can have a report back some time probably in January.

Thank you.

10:11:35 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Next speaker.

10:11:37 >> I came to speak about other things, but this injected

something into it, and I can save about 20 or 30 seconds off

my three minutes.

There is a movie coming out called "Concussion."

In it, Will Smith plays a genuine hero.

The thing is you can't say he is a genuine American hero

because he came from somewhere else.

I think he came from where my doctor in Baltimore came from.

But it would be good if we had more doctors from the United

States that were alerting people to these public health

problems.

As they say, the name of the movie is "Concussion."

10:12:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We know about the movie.

Do you have any comments about this particular issue?

10:12:20 >> This particular issue is largely about football and --

and concussion is about football.




10:12:29 >>FRANK REDDICK:
It can be about baseball, too.

Next speaker.

10:12:34 >> Or elected officials.

10:12:35 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Right.

I have one now.

10:12:39 >> Mr. Chairman, members of the Council, good morning.

My name is bob Morrison.

I'm here today in my capacity as Executive Director of

Hillsborough County's hotel and motel association.

I'm before you because I noted on a variety of media and

other accounts, the reference to taxpayer dollars, taxpayer

dollars, taxpayer dollars.

I wanted to come before you to signify that as an

organization whose hotels collect 92% of all hotel revenue

in our county, that you are now looking at the

representative of the only taxpayers who write the check

that make up that $30 million.

I stand here on their behalf to indicate our absolute

support for the agreement.

Our sense that this agreement is the kind of public/private

partnership you like to see happen in our community and our

hotels are happy to take from their bottom line to

contribute to the tourist development tax fund and indeed to

create an opportunity like this for our community as a

whole.




We thank you for considering this agreement.

We hope that you will embrace this opportunity as an

opportunity to, again, signal what a model public/private

partnership should look like.

Thank you so much.

10:14:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Ms. Capin.

10:14:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Yes.

It is always any dollars that come in is public money.

And as such, that's why we're sitting here talking about it.

It definitely is public money.

And when I hear it's not coming from the taxpayer, it may

not come from our taxpayer, but it belongs to our public,

and that is why we're here today.

So I want to be very clear on that and thank you for your

summation.

10:14:41 >> I did understand that our hotels are commercial taxpayers

in Hillsborough County and the City of Tampa.

So that's why I was certainly embracing the fact that these

are public dollars, and we are the taxpayers who are making

that contribution as commercial property owners.

10:14:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

10:14:58 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Next speaker.

10:15:03 >> Good morning.

My name is Chris Rossbach.

I represent Feld Entertainment.




I wanted to share a quick perspective on a non-tenant yet

annual event partner of the Tampa Sports Authority and

Raymond James Stadium.

We're a content provider not only in this community, but

across the country and the world.

We have two lines of our business.

We call one the legacy business, which is Ringling Brothers

Barnum & Bailey Circus and our Disney on Ice properties, and

we have our motorsports properties, which are our Super

Cross and Arena Cross professional racing series as well as

our Monster Jam events.

Monster Jam has been a heritage event in the Tampa community

drawing well over a hundred thousand patrons into Raymond

James every year.

And because we tour that to just about every NFL venue in

the country, we've seen quite a few of the renovation

projects over the course of time.

And have a unique perspective, I think, on how the Tampa

Sports Authority and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have gone

about this process and a big reason why we support it.

They not only have kept us informed of their plans for the

renovation, they have asked us how the renovation can

benefit us in our business.

That's rare.

They have kept us informed all along the way, and they




shared concerns over not only not affecting the monster jam

heritage events that many Tampa Bay area families enjoy

annually, but how we can excel our business and deliver a

better form of entertainment through the production of our

events as well as the fan experience.

And we believe the renovations before you are extremely

smart and will help us not only elevate our events here in

the Tampa Bay community, but as a matter of our support,

we've also engaged in current negotiations with the Tampa

Sports Authority to potentially bring a third stadium event

once the renovations are done.

So from the perspective of Feld Entertainment, the

renovations are smart.

They will help our business.

They will help us elevate our business and better serve the

Tampa community with events that come here annually and can

potentially grow.

Thank you.

10:17:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

All right.

Anyone else wishing to speak at this time on item number 4,

the stadium renovation?

10:17:25 >> My name is pat Kelly.

I've been a season ticket holder a long time.

I'd like to talk about the stadium and some constructive




criticism.

I broke my leg this summer, so I'm temporarily handicap.

Normally I ride a motorcycle to the stadium.

And that's one of the items I would like to suggest, because

the old stadium, there used to be a spot for motorcycles.

Since I live across the bridge, I'm back home in St. Pete

while people are getting out of the parking lot.

It's great to have a place.

The old stadium, it was $10, $15 or stadium.

One suggestion, the second is since I have not been able to

walk, I've gone to some other stadiums, and they are very

much more handicap friendly, meaning you can't go up this

elevator, you have to find a cart.

I get to the stadium two hours before a game and people have

not been helpful.

I've noticed it because I've never been in the situation

before.

And I just think you can make it a little more handicap

friendly because the elevator over at C I think is only for

media.

Some of the carts are only for media and VIPs.

And I've had to walk and it's been painful.

I've been to every game, but I just wanted to share that.

10:18:51 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

10:19:03 >> Derek Chamblee.




Google D-E-R-E-K-C-H-A-M-B-L-E-E.

New city.

Google Derek Chamblee St. Paul.

I want to speak about -- actually, in opposition to this

renovation at this time.

Opposition to making a decision today.

This is something probably that should be put off.

When you've got a Councilwoman here saying something to the

effect that even though money is coming from the hotel

tourist industry, it's still taxpayer money.

It still affects the taxpayers.

And that's something that needs to be explored, and you need

more time for this.

As far as the general public out there that I've talked to

on the street and whatnot these years, they have a

resentment toward the glazer family in terms of building the

stadium in the first place.

And I wanted to put this also in your minds that there is a

coming new stadium to be built preferably near the

fairgrounds on higher elevation for baseball, for the rays,

a stadium that's going to be built in Tampa within

Hillsborough County that we're going to need to fund that,

and we're going to need to look at these millions coming

from the Tampa Sports Authority or their approval for that

new stadium, and when that stadium is built, and during that




time, the rays will still play in Tropicana and honor their

lease.

And when that stadium is built in Tampa, then we're going to

build a state-of-the-art stadium, which will also -- as a

homeless shelter, evacuation shelter for at least 75,000

people in Pinellas County.

The same is true for the new stadium in Hillsborough County.

It's got to be an evacuation center, much the same in

Katrina when the superdome was used as a shelter.

And I just want you to hold off your decision today.

Thank you very much.

10:21:36 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Anyone.

Last call.

Anyone else wishing to speak on this particular item?

All right.

Seeing none, we'll go to final questions and comments from

Council members.

Ms. Montelione.

10:21:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I have no further questions.

10:21:52 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Maniscalco.

10:21:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
No.

10:21:55 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Cohen?

10:21:58 >>HARRY COHEN:
Yes.

I have a brief couple of comments to make after listening to




all of the discussion this morning.

First of all, I would like to compliment the staff and the

professionals that worked on this negotiation.

You know, you don't start negotiating, or at least they

didn't in this situation with a blank piece of paper.

They started in a situation where many of the terms of the

original agreement were already here.

So they were working to improve it rather than start from

scratch.

And after listening to what I thought were very

comprehensive presentations both privately and publicly

about the terms of this agreement, I really feel that the

city is better off with it than we would be without it.

And I think that the case was made not just about the lack

of general fund dollars as opposed to taxpayer dollars that

are at issue here, but also about some of the contingent

obligations from the original agreement that have dogged our

credit ratings and our bottom line for all these years.

I agree with what Mr. Suarez said that our first choice

always is to put our dollars into assets that we own

directly.

The city owns the Straz Center and the zoo and the aquarium

and a lot of wonderful facilities.

However, in this case, we are not putting general fund

dollars into a facility that we don't own.




We are simply allowing the community to take advantage of a

tax structure that's been fed up by the state that is

specifically earmarked for these types of expenditures.

Finally, I want to just return to what Mr. Levy said

earlier.

The world is not static, and we are not competing against

communities that are not making similar types of

investments.

And this Council, at least a good deal of it, was here for

the Republican National Convention in 2012.

And one of the large lessons of that, I think, was that

investing in the community, continuing to improve our

community access is what really keeps us in the game in

terms of competing for really world-class international

events.

And as fun and I think as successful as the convention was,

it happened in the middle of the summer when Tampa is not

necessarily at its best.

One of my observations about hosting super bowls in the past

is that the time of the year they occur really allows us to

showcase ourselves at the very height of what makes this

such a great community to live in.

Of course the great weather and the ability to be outside

during the coldest months of the winter.

So, for all those reasons, I think that this is a good




agreement.

I'm excited for the community that we're going to hopefully

move forward with it.

I hope that what we'll see is continued investment in hotels

and in hospitality and in tourist development because I

think this is a great market for that, and this only makes

us a better one.

So thank you very much.

10:25:22 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Ms. Capin.

10:25:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Yes.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, all for your excellent questions and the

response.

First of all, I want to thank CFO Sonya Little and Jorge

Martin for their hard work in bringing us what I looked at

as the very best that we could get.

And considering the obligations that we had on the table,

and they did work as a community and did work as partners

with the franchise, with the Bucs, and with the county.

You know, when the stadium was first built, I was not a fan,

I'll tell you now.

I compare it -- not to the streetcar, but the streetcar back

when it was first started, somewhere here on City Council

called it a boondoggle.

And now, it is being looked at as transportation for




downtown, very serious transportation.

That stadium, the Bucs are in our community and neglecting

it is to our detriment.

And I think you all have done and your staff has done an

exceptional job, and I will be supporting this.

Thank you.

10:26:48 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Suarez.

10:26:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, chair.

And thanks to our staff, obviously Ms. Little and Mr. Martin

always do a great job.

This was kind of a strange type of obligation because it is

not something, as I had mentioned and Mr. Cohen had

reiterated, it's not something we own, but we do still have

obligations under the original contract in 1996.

You know, there are people that look at the stadium as

something that's positive for the city, as I do.

I grew up probably about a half mile from the stadium.

I think the only other person that lives closer to the

stadium or as close as Mr. Miranda.

I grew up in the neighborhood, game days were a big day

because, A, there was no one going to the game so we could

walk there and get free tickets.

And I think the gentleman earlier said about growing up

here.

Believe me, it was a lot easier when you were a 12-year-old




kid to go to the stadium because there were lots of tickets

to go around.

I could go to the game almost every single game all the way

up until probably the mid 90s.

But it is an asset to our city.

It is an asset to the county.

It is something that although we may not have liked that it

was used, that public dollars were used to build this

originally, we made the decision 20 years ago or almost 20

years ago on this particular agreement to continue to pay

into and operate or help TSA operate this facility, giving

one-third of the dollars that come in.

This will save us money in the long run.

A, because the amount of money that it's going to free up in

terms of our bond rating and our obligations and that side

of it, but also, as they continue to become a more

revenue-generating facility, we're going to reduce our

burden on a year-to-year basis.

Now, I did make a comment about the end of the agreement in

2028.

I don't think any of us on staff, any of us on Council will

be here.

Well, with notable exceptions, and I think that, you know,

when we look at this, we have to look very carefully as to

what that next agreement is going to look like.




I think that it has been a success so far.

I think it will be a success, especially with the national

championship game coming here.

Hopefully we will have more than one.

And I think we will have more than one, especially once the

renovations are done.

So thanks again to staff.

Thanks very much to all the other players in this and trying

to get this deal done, and let's go forward.

Thank you.

10:29:18 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Miranda.

10:29:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, everything

that's been said I understand and appreciate very much from

everyone who spoke, including Mr. Corrado, Mr. Higgins, Mr.

Leonard, and Mr. Morrison.

However, there's directly and indirectly some causes that

are not spoken clearly.

For instance, the NFL created this dilemma when they changed

the contract from 60/40, 60% went to the home team, 40% went

to the visiting team, and that made it 100% to the home.

The reason I want to speak on this, maybe 30% of the

population of Tampa wasn't even here, as we speak today.

And this passed 51 to 49 after they spent $480,000, again

zero for the public and that's why it passed.

This would not pass today.




Even the maker who started this, Mr. Joe Chillura, talked to

me in confidence that if the tax was brought in today it

would not pass.

Let me make another statement, if St. Pete was to build the

Rays team a stadium for the team to play in, the team would

turn it down.

That's my opinion.

Let me also say this, when you look at the original

contract, that 25 million is written into the different

contract.

That's why I voted against it 20 years ago, September of

1996.

And here I am 20 years later, fan experience, what does that

mean?

Let me make another statement, by the time this contract in

2028 is terminated, not going to look at renovation of the

stadium.

They are going to want what the fan experience is, another

new stadium.

It's happened in Atlanta.

That stadium was not that old in the baseball area, and it

happened before.

Miami has got a stadium that was built by the owner, Joe

Robbie.

I think there's only two of them.




Maybe there's more.

Miami and Dallas.

They did the right thing.

But when you start digging into public funds, $3 million, 25

in the contract, and I understand that.

The other three million is for an experience, fan experience

for a larger board.

Well, hell, stay home and watch it on TV then.

I don't understand all that.

But it's about money.

It's about the advertising on the board.

They say, yes, we're going to give south Florida whatever

they can bring in, their money.

That's only doing the south Florida games.

They are not going to put that year-round for everything.

South Florida is gone from there.

It's all for them after that.

So they talk about the 2 million.

Let's talk about the 2 million.

The 2 million in excess of what's brought in, the first 2

million belongs to them.

The buccaneers.

They have one hell of a team to do the negotiation.

Where in the world was Donald Trump when I needed him?

That's number one.




Number two, they are going to give you 67% between 2 million

and 3.5 million.

Sounds great when they say 67%.

In essence, it's 17% more than they are already giving you.

You have a split 50-50 on anything over 2 million.

It's not 67% that they give you.

It's 17%.

And then the next one, anything over 3.5 million and it's

not no more 67/33, it's 50/50.

So then when Feld came in and talking about the experience

at the stadium, and I'm glad they're there, where did his

money go to?

It reverts back, no longer to the 6, but back to the

original 50/50.

So the Sports Authority has got to scratch their head, do

what they can to bring the revenue in, but the first 2

million is not theirs.

It belongs to somebody else.

That is a wonderful contract.

Anyone who spoke here today, anyone, if a hedge fund doesn't

touch this thing, why should I?

Anyone who spoke here today who would like to build a

stadium for somebody else, they have all the signage, all

the parking, all the concessions and most of the renovation

long term and built me another stadium, because if not I'm




going to leave, where in the hell are you going to?

You mean to tell me wasn't St. Pete before the rays moved

in.

Tampa wasn't Tampa before the buccaneers moved in?

If we had a college team here alone at that same stadium,

you'd have the same revenue, but it would be yours.

You'd have the same parking, but it would be worked out with

university.

You'd have a lot more things -- look at the stadiums that

are created in the gators, in the Seminoles, they are full.

Look at the one in central Florida, they are full.

Why?

Because they are community assets.

I'm not against football.

I'm not against baseball.

I'm not against hockey, but it's time this country, not

Tampa, but this country understand that you're getting

robbed, not with a gun, but with a pen.

And that's even worse than with a gun, because it's a lot

longer.

And it will last almost forever.

And the stadiums always need upgrading.

And the stadiums always need -- you want a new stadium, if

not, I'm going to move.

Let me tell you this, we spent 250,000 -- Ms. Little is in




the room now, you can ask her -- every time there is a home

game, that's what it costs the City of Tampa to have that

game there.

Why is the stadium under county land, county owned?

I assume because if it wasn't they would have to pay ad

valorem tax, so they pay no tax.

You and I have to do that.

They've taken everything they can take away from you.

The only reason that I'm saying this and the only reason I

bring all this up, because it's a fact, just like the others

said it was a fact, but they never said the other side.

I'm presenting the other side, and 30, 40 percent of the

population wasn't even here then.

But there's a lot more that I can go to and I know there is

a five-minute rule that will be enforced, I hope, to

everyone.

It is what it is, and therefore I will not be supporting

this.

Thank you very much.

10:35:08 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Miranda, I was going to give you an

extra five minutes.

10:35:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Well, if I would have known that, I'd

prepare a long speech.

I think I said enough to understand what it is.

No one that has any substance of money, big money would ever




do a deal like this, never.

Not Donald Trump, not Anderson, not the brothers, not anyone

would do a deal like this because it's a bad deal.

I'm not against them being here.

It is not about the sports.

It is about the revenue that's created out of that stadium

that you pay for and they take the revenue.

That's what it's about.

You go back to the salaries, what they were back 20 years

ago and what they are today, you figure it out as the

taxpayers.

I don't want to do the math for you.

And I'm glad the payers are making the money.

They deserve it, but I shouldn't pay for it.

And that's what it's all about.

It ain't about going to football games.

It's about the majority of the people that are paying tax to

get there can never get there because they don't have the

money to go in the gate.

It's not about a park where everybody can walk in and go in

for free.

It's not about things that are nature.

It's not about anything else.

It's just that the taxpayers -- and I'm going to remember

what I'm saying 20 years from now, because I said 20 years




ago they could play a game somewhere else.

They'll go abroad.

They'll go to Europe, because sooner or later they are going

to saturate all they need in this country and that's already

happening.

I said everything that I said 20 years ago and that suit

wore out.

Had to buy me another one.

What I'm trying to take in is open the mind-set of all the

citizens so that they understand, $3 million would built me

30 homes for those people who really need a house.

And would be willing to pay for it.

Three, four hundred a month so they can have a house to

live.

When you talk about fixing things for kids, kids are acting

the way they are because of where they live at and the

parenting that they don't have.

And we will continue to have the same deal of crime unless

we address the issue that we have today.

And we want an experience.

Well, you're going to experience what you're going to get.

And I'm not against sports.

Again, I love sports.

I believe in fairness, but these deals, all of them in this

country, note other cities were mentioned.




New Orleans.

Listen, I don't deal with New Orleans.

I only deal with myself.

I wasn't elected to do anything but to serve the public.

And this is a bad deal for the public, not on the 25

million.

I already voted on that deal 20 years ago, and I said it was

a bad deal.

It's a deal now on the additional $3 million that doesn't

fit in to why I should spend that money.

If they want to do the other experience, they should spend

the 3 million themselves to do that.

Let me go back to the practice field, 20 years ago, that was

there.

And they haven't complained loudly enough and taking

taxpayers to court, that means that they knew they were

going to lose.

So they didn't do it.

You have to think how the other side thinks.

They are very smart.

By the way, I congratulate the two individuals that I met

with from the buccaneers.

They were very gentlemen-like and very nice people.

And I don't have a problem with any one of the glazers.

They did what they had to do to support their business.




And they did one hell of a job.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

10:38:42 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Let me just say this then, as we move forward to the vote,

and that is I just want to thank our city staff for all the

negotiations you was doing to make sure the interest of the

city was protected.

I think you're doing a wonderful job, and I believe in the

transparency with the Sports Authority as well as Mr. Ford

from the buccaneers.

I think you were very open and very transparent, and you

didn't hide anything from no one.

And we all had a chance to deliberate and discuss this.

The most important thing, if we don't think about nothing

else, the most important thing is, none of these dollars are

coming out of general revenue.

That's one of the most important things, and it's coming

from the tourism tax.

So just like -- I think Mr. Santiago stated that, you're

going to pay if you're going to stay in a hotel across the

street.

And if you don't, you stay in your home, you'll be okay.

But this is a great opportunity, and I think this is good

for the city.

It's best at this time, and it's not perfect, but I think




it's the best thing at this time.

Mr. Cohen, at this time I'll move the resolution.

10:40:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Second.

10:40:10 >>HARRY COHEN:
We have a motion and a second.

Is there any further discussion by Council?

Seeing none, all those in favor please indicate by saying

aye.

Opposed?

10:40:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Aye.

10:40:21 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much.

10:40:23 >>THE CLERK:
Miranda voted no.

10:40:25 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We appreciate it.

Thank you.

Let's take about a three-minute break to let the crowd --

three-minute break.

[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

10:48:51 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

We're going to call this meeting back to order.

[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

We're going to call this meeting back to order.

Roll call.

10:48:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Here.

10:48:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Here.

10:49:01 >> Capin?

10:49:02 >>HARRY COHEN:
Here.




10:49:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Here.

10:49:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Here.

10:49:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Here.

We have a ten-minute presentation by Ms. Eve Spengler from

Bay Mulch, Inc.

10:49:22 >> My name is Eve Spengler.

I represent Bay Mulch, Incorporated, organics recycling

division.

I want to thank Frank Reddick, in particular, for inviting

me to the City Council Meeting.

Having seen an officer awarded so many gifts earlier this

morning for his service in narcotics, I wish I would have

brought a gift for each and every Council person because

prior to this over the last two months, each one of you has

been willing to meet with me personally to talk about one of

the proposed additions to a Tampa ordinance.

I appreciate your time and your willingness to try to grasp

this issue.

On part of a very innovative, cutting-edge technology-based

company, which is the organics recycling division of bay

mulch incorporated.

And bay mulch started 19 years ago.

It was founded by Tom Kirkland as a land-clearing and

mulch-producing company.

And 18 months ago, Tom decided to venture into some new




territory.

So what we do now is we take vegetative food waste, and we

recycle it into USDA certified organic soil.

And all of the nutrients from the vegetative food waste,

such as the carbon, the nitrogen, phosphorous, magnesium,

calcium, all of those nutrients are actually preserved.

They are in the food, but they are actually preserved and

they are retained in the organic soil that we produce.

So our end product is soil.

It's lab tested.

Certified by the USDA as organic again.

Our facility is 42 acres in Plant City.

We serve a four-county area.

Hillsborough, which includes Tampa city.

We serve Hernando, Pasco and Pinellas County.

And when I say "serve," I mean that nurseries, farmers,

blueberry farmers, strawberry farmers, growers, landscapers

and nursery growers are all thrilled to have our product

because it contains no toxins or pesticides or chemicals.

It's pure, natural, organic, and filled with nutrients that

plants need to strengthen their results.

So that is the concept of our company.

Now, the reason I'm here today, I want to toss in a quote, a

hockey quote because I am a huge lightning fan and so is my

12-year-old son.




And one of our partners that allows us to recycle their

vegetative food waste is Amalie arena.

I love the old Wayne Gretzky quote that says, "If you want

to win at the game or in life, don't aim where the puck is.

You've got to aim where the puck is going, and you've got to

look forward to what is the future."

And in our opinion, the future is recycling.

It's zero waste.

It's sustainability.

I have my master's degree in global sustainability from

University of South Florida.

I also have MBA in entrepreneurship and applied technology

from USF.

And our company founder has graduated from USF in sociology

and aeronautics.

And I think one of the reasons that he was bold enough to

take on this program is because he is -- he does believe in

green jobs.

He does believe in the triple bottom line, which is how you

treat your people, what you do impacts the planet, and

profit isn't the only thing that matters, but to be

sustainable, you have to make a profit.

So we follow the triple line at bay mulch.

What we have been faced with is looking more closely at the

city ordinance, and we realize that, you know, 20 years ago,




the technology didn't exist to compost on the scale that we

are doing this.

We use a technology developed in England, and it's widely

used in Europe and Asia, and it came to the United States

because the inventor of this catalyst technology, which is a

microbial probiotic that is mixed in with our vegetative

food waste, the inventor lives in Orlando.

That's how the technology spread to the United States.

It's very commonly used overseas.

It's certified by the EPA, and it's safe and effective at

kind of reviving the soil structure and allowing positive,

beneficial bacteria, microbes, fungi, to all be put back in

the soil that has been stripped of all of those qualities by

pesticides and fertilizers.

So what we do is take this microbial treatment which not

only adds the beneficial bacteria, but it kills the harmful

nematodes that farmers are so concerned about.

And all you're left with are the nutrients and what is

positive fungi, things that you might find in a forest,

smell so fresh and good, those things are back in the soil

because of this process.

We could never do it without the vegetative food waste.

alie arena allows us to collect their vegetative food

waste.

Just this week, we took 20 containers, collected that for




them after a very busy weekend of games and activities, the

lightning.

alie is able to grow a lot of the fresh greens that they

use for their fans.

So they grow that on-site on their balcony.

We take the pre-consumer prep kitchen waste away, and we

transform it into organic soil.

So if you look at the city ordinance, all we are asking for

is to add three simple words to page 3 of article VIII, and

we would like vegetative food waste to be considered a

recovered material.

And right now today, a recovered material includes paper,

glass, plastic, metal, and textiles.

So those are recovered materials, thinking about recycling

glass and recycling plastic bottles.

We just would like to have vegetative food waste added as a

recovered material because it is so very much a pure form of

recycling.

You take rotten old blueberries, you turn it into

nutrient-rich soil and you grow fresh blueberries.

You take, you know, green yard waste and you can grind it

and screen it, and that adds carbon, and you turn it into

soil that can grow new trees.

And we actually have a partnership with Amalie where we will

be donating soil, they'll plant five huge trees for shade in




their open area where fans gather before the games and we'll

donate the soil to that.

And they are also planting four other smaller trees for

around the area.

And it's such a positive business and such a great new

concept.

And like I said, I don't think that the City Council should

feel bad that this is missing from the ordinance today

because this kind of technology really didn't exist when the

ordinance was written.

Right now, because of this microbial element added to our

soil, when we make -- when we compost this, there are no

flies buzzing around, no birds swooping in.

There's actually no odor whatsoever, no smell.

I drive around with soil samples in my car and there's

absolutely no smell.

That's because of the technology that's available to us

today.

So I would like to -- I'm hoping that someone from City

Council would be willing to put forth this addition to the

city ordinance to add three little words "vegetative food

waste" and include that as a recovered material.

And one of my other slides that I want to point out before I

conclude is that I don't believe that food belongs -- I and

our 38 employees at bay mulch, we don't believe that food




belongs in a landfill or incinerator.

And I was able to uncover information that if you burn

fruits and vegetables, you actually generate zero

electricity.

And it works against the heat that's being generated inside

the incinerator because it takes 5,500 BTUs in order to

generate electricity.

And fruits and vegetables are 80 to 93 percent content of

water.

So when they are put in the incinerator, they only generate

2600 BTUs per pound.

And that's not enough.

It's got to get up to 5,500 BTUs before you get an ounce

of electricity out of them or an ounce of heat to convert

into electricity.

So I want to say that by incinerating vegetative food waste,

you're really not doing anything good for the community.

You're not actually creating any electricity.

There's no value in burning fruits and vegetables.

And our company has many food banks who would like us to

take their vegetative waste.

We have hospitals that are interested.

We have farmers markets who would like to see the waste

after the farmers market is over.

They want to see it recycled.




They don't want to see it go to the landfill or the

incinerator.

So we have partners throughout the community, including

grocery stores and Amalie and others, and so we want to

continue with those partnerships and make it known to

everyone that vegetative food waste is a recoverable

resource.

Thank you.

10:59:00 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, let me just say to you that about a

month ago, I believe, I went out to your facility and

brought half a yard and I can tell you now, my garden at the

house, all my vegetables are doing real wonderful.

10:59:24 >> Glad to hear it.

We had a lady who couldn't grow any tomatoes, and we gave

her a bag -- 25-pound bag of soil and now she has nine dozen

tomatoes.

She's sharing them with all her neighbors.

I meant to say about the officer that was honored with all

those gifts, I wish I would have brought a bag of soil for

everyone here.

I really do.

Because we're a new business.

We're only 18 months into this, and we had a lot of expenses

and start-up costs because it takes specialized equipment in

order to make these wind rows and to do the mixing, and it




takes a lot of physical human labor, 38 jobs just to collect

the small amount that we do right now.

11:00:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Miranda.

11:00:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'll hold her to that.

There's about 40 people here, I expect to you bring 40 bags

next time.

11:00:12 >> Okay.

I will bring you bags of soil.

No, Charlie, you get one, too.

11:00:18 >>FRANK REDDICK:
The request that you made about the

consideration of changing the ordinance, we do have that

item on the agenda, item number 6 today.

We will be voting on this today.

11:00:30 >> Oh, great.

Glad to hear it.

11:00:32 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Anything else?

We appreciate your presentation.

If you want to stay around for item number 6, when we get to

that point to vote.

11:00:43 >> Excellent.

Thank you, again, for taking the time each and every one of

you to meet with me personally.

11:00:48 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Okay.

Thank you.

Can we get approval of the agenda?




Looks like we've already done all this.

Got a motion from Ms. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor, aye.

Motion carries.

Public comments.

We'll go to public comments at this time.

Please come forward and state your name.

You got three minutes.

Before we start public comments, hold up for a second before

we start.

Mr. Maniscalco, I'll recognize you to recognize your guest.

11:01:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Before we begin, I would just like to

introduce my intern for a day.

His name is Terrius Jemison.

He is in the foster care system beginning at the age of 13.

He is a senior at Sickles High School and very active in his

ROTC program.

Just a little bit of a background, he's a youth in Camelot

Community Cares Independent Living Services, ILS.

He recently participated in Parachuting Into Your Future, a

seven-week career exploration workshop, sponsored by the

Tampa office of PWC and a grant from the PWC Charitable

Foundation.

During the workshop, he has learned about his chosen career

path and a desire to give back to the community through




public service.

And he hopes to have a career in politics after finishing

his college education.

I just wanted to recognize my intern for the day.

[ APPLAUSE ]

11:02:25 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Do you want to say something?

Come to this mike here?

Have a seat.

11:02:42 >> My name

11:02:48 >> I am honored to be here today.

I'm very excited to be here.

I didn't plan on making a speech, but that's okay.

All I want to do is give back to the community because since

the age of actually 15 I got into politics and since then I

just wanted to give back to the community.

That's it.

11:03:16 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We thank you and we wish you well.

11:03:18 >> Thank you.

[ APPLAUSE ]

11:03:24 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Okay.

11:03:31 >> I'm Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.

I was able to talk about one of the movies I would be

recommending for people over the holiday season, but there's

another one that interfaces a little with this that I

presented you in the past, which more relates to county




commission.

That was operation drum beat.

And that became an issue at the county commission because

the poor guys from the merchant marine association and the

mystery ships and everything, they even brought a flag to go

with the military exhibit over at the county commission.

They didn't realize it was just a cover-up for the

suppression of history by Mr. Miller.

So anyway, if some of you want to run for term limits by

going with the county commission it would be an improvement

even though you seem to be mired in the late '60s and

early '70s.

The movie I want to call attention to is in the heart of the

sea.

The ship Essex.

It was like the prequel to Moby Dick.

It's considered the American epic.

I feel very close to that because some of our family were

ship masters in the days of wooden ships and iron men, so to

speak.

And one of the things that people don't realize is that the

harbor out at the end of eastern Long Island was the number

one whaling port, more so than New Bedford.

But New Bedford was written up in Moby Dick.

There was some mention of Sag Harbor, though.




In any case, back in the days of Gregory Peck playing

Captain Ahab, there wasn't as much environmental

consciousness whereas that's brought out in the heart of the

sea because the hero is the whale.

And he takes back, he repays the whalers.

So it's very good.

You really should see it.

I had some other handouts about -- I'm not sure that this is

accurate, but in any case, it's very important about the

California shooting to appreciate that one of Marco Rubio's

rare appearances in Washington, he is a senator, and he

comes there once in a while, and it was to be sure the

people on the terrorist watch list can buy assault weapons.

Anyway, you did do something good.

You actually got credit from the senior curmudgeon, Daniel

Ruth.

He said you really did something good with the purchasing of

the guns to the police.

And it's good that what's her name stirred you up,

Ms. Chapel.

11:06:38 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Capin.

11:06:39 >> Who isn't here.

11:06:42 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

11:06:43 >> Capin, yeah, she really got you worked up to do some

good.




11:06:47 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

Next.

11:06:55 >> My name is James Worley.

www.homelesslivesmatter.org.

You can find what I've been doing there with the homeless.

I want to share this here, put it on the overhead.

This is a woman, a story about a woman.

Her name is Jennie Barela missing from Denver for over three

years with missing person's report filed.

She was living on the streets of Tampa.

I knew her for about a year, and I learned things about her

and found out about her son, contacted her son.

And she's at home now in the care of her son because of me.

Without the help of the Tampa Police Department who ignores

situations like this.

This woman needed help and people that saw her every day, if

you saw the news story or if you read about it, many people

commented on ABC action news post that they had seen her,

given her food, yet this woman, somebody's mother was left

on the streets.

Like I said, she is at home.

I want to share this.

This is an article here.

Recent article.

"Help for homeless, headache for others."




There are many people on the streets here with no place to

go.

And there is a 75-bed facility, and the $5.5 million that

was given to DACCO and the metropolitan ministries that

should have created a facility where the police departments

would have been able to take these people to.

Pinellas County has a 450 bed facility where they can be

taken to.

City of Tampa has no place.

That's where the money went to.

Now, the thing with the stadium, thank you very much for

listening to the story that I found because hopefully

something will come out of this and attention will be

brought up to the fact that the community housing solution

center is not a solution to triaging the homeless from the

street into housing, because every case is different.

Some people need that to be taken from the street and a

place to go to figure out where they need to go and how they

can be helped instead of just leaving them there to sleep on

the street and having to clean up from them like these

businesses complain.

I'm not good at this.

I just know what I know and what I've experienced.

And doing what I can to try to create some kind of help for

people out there in much worse situations than me.




That's all I have to say.

Please, next year, please bring homelessness back up on the

agenda.

The city and the county needs to bring it up.

Because what's happened with the funds now is not working.

It's not helping people.

And there are other mothers and family out there on the

streets who need help.

11:09:59 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

11:10:09 >> Derek Chamblee.

Google D-E-R-E-K-C-H-A-M-B-L-E-E.

New city.

Google, Derek Chamblee, St. Paul.

Google Derek Chamblee federal lawsuit.

I omitted one thing in my last speech about the new stadium

to be built here in Tampa, Hillsborough County, for

professional baseball among other things.

While that new stadium is being built, the rays will

continue to play according to their lease in Tropicana.

When that stadium is finished, we're going to tear down

Tropicana and we're going to build a state-of-the-art sports

facility there with also condominium, apartments, mixed

residential and businesses.

It's going to be state-of-the-art and also going to be able

to house temporarily in the event of a coming hurricane, to




make it through a hurricane, at least 75,000 people that

will not be able to evacuate from Pinellas County.

And continue to work on the evacuation plan for Tampa Bay.

Pinellas County is a particular problem because the

headwinds of a coming hurricane will shut down the Sunshine

Skyway bridge.

The Gandy, the Howard Frankland, and the Courtney Campbell.

And there are only two land routes out of Pinellas County.

And Hillsborough County has many transportation issues in

terms of and time issues in terms of getting people out.

And once again, I've been to the county administrator's

office over and over, and they say there are no meeting

minutes of the emergency responders when they meet

off-season.

So we've got to get ready for this coming hurricane, which

could devastate Tampa Bay.

When that stadium in Pinellas is completed, then the rays

will split their home games.

For instance, 60 home games in the Tampa stadium and 20 home

games in the Pinellas County, St. Pete stadium.

And I like to say if it's good enough for Green Bay, it's

good enough for Tampa Bay.

For years, the Green Bay Packers, and they had a community

built stadium, the Green Bay Packers played four of their

home games in Milwaukee county stadium and 80 miles away




they play four other home games at Lambeau field and Green

Bay.

If it's good enough for gren bay, it's good enough for Tampa

Bay.

And the Tampa Bay rays will truly be a Tampa Bay baseball

team.

Thank you very much.

11:13:12 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any additional comments from the public?

Anyone else wishing to speak at this time?

All right.

Any questions from the public, reconsideration of

legislative matter.

None.

Item 5, Chief of Staff here.

Mr. Rogero is not here.

We go to item number 6.

All right.

We'll go back to item number 5.

11:13:58 >> Good morning, Council, Cathy Ginster on behalf of the

Legal Department.

11:14:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We want to go back to number 5.

11:14:09 >> Good morning, Council.

I apologize.

I thought you were doing that item before me.

Thank you for having me here today.




You asked me to come before you to justify our audit release

process.

As you know, our audit department conducts a series of

audits throughout the year based on a risk analysis in

conjunction with the departments being audited.

The audit department will identify findings.

In some instances, areas for improvement.

In some instances, noteworthy accomplishment.

And they work very closely with the department, and they'll

identify their findings.

The department will offer their draft responses.

And those findings and responses are combined in a report

that's sent to the Mayor as a draft audit package.

It's at that draft audit package, that's the Mayor's

opportunity to identify whether he's satisfied with the work

of the audit team and the department.

Have we answered the questions clearly enough?

Have we pointed out the items we said we would point out?

Have we offered substantive solutions in acceptable time

frames?

And in some instances, we haven't.

And he'll send it back, and the audit team and the

department will pursue his particular questions -- more

information, maybe an accelerated time frame for solutions

for a further explanation of what the problems are and what




the solutions are.

We feel when he gets that final draft audit and approves it,

after all, the questions are asked, that is the appropriate

time to release it to City Council, and that's what we do.

And it's in accordance with the charter and the law.

11:15:57 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Ms. Montelione.

11:15:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, that's what brought this

conversation up to begin with was, how is it, in your

interpretation, in accordance with the charter and the law?

Because that's not the interpretation that we have come to,

and with the help of our City Council attorney, we've talked

about this.

Mr. Shelby, do you have the paragraph reference?

I don't think it was in our packet.

11:16:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I have in front of me the charter.

I'm looking at section 5.01 the departments of the city,

talks about the internal audit department.

I have that in front of me.

11:16:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Is there a place where it states that the

audits were to come to us?

It was my understanding that there was a motion made by

Council, if it's not specifically spelled out in the

charter, asking that the audits be sent here.

11:17:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
That might be a question for the clerk, and

I believe Council has a recollection of when that motion was




made, and I don't know what the administration's response to

the motion is, and, frankly, I don't have the record of that

motion in front of me, so I can't quite be more specific.

11:17:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, we need to get that reference.

And I apologize that I don't have it in front of me.

But it was my recollection that a motion was made that the

audit come to us at the same time that they are delivered to

the administration, and it was a result of a particular

audit that was not one of the ones that you mentioned, maybe

complementary, but it was one of the ones that pointed out

some issues.

And at that time we made that motion and passed by Council.

I guess a legal question or another charter question is if

we make a motion and a charter is silent to it, would that

motion stand?

11:18:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
It depends as to whether it involves the

separation of powers.

If it is something that is solely within -- and talking

abstract now, not specific to this, but just in general --

with regard to whether it's the purview of the Mayor,

Council makes a request of the administration, and I don't

know what the wording of that motion was and even

specifically whether it was a motion for action of Council.

I don't know what the administration's response to that was.

11:18:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I guess the way I look at it if -- you




know, everything here is public record.

And Ms. Mandell is getting up.

And if we're asking for transmittal of a public record,

would that not be something that it is available to us just

as it would be to the general public?

11:19:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
And I think Ms. Mandell is prepared to

answer that question specifically.

It looks that way to me.

11:19:06 >>JULIA MANDELL:
Yes.

Julia Mandell, City Attorney.

Mr. Shelby and I have not had a chance to delve into this

issue in any specific detail, but I will say this.

Draft audits are not public record.

They do not become public records until they are finally

signed off on and transmitted to the local governing body.

It's at that point in time that they become public record.

11:19:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Signed off on meaning --

11:19:31 >>JULIA MANDELL:
They are finalized.

They are no longer draft.

They are in final form, signed off by the Mayor, keeping in

mind the way under the charter --

11:19:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
It's not final until it's signed by the

Mayor.

11:19:40 >>JULIA MANDELL:
That's correct.

Because it remains a draft and because under your charter,




there are two ways to get an audit.

One way, there is a set of audits that are done as a matter

of course under the charter.

The other ones are audits which are called for by the Mayor.

So under the public records law, they remain in draft form

until such time as they are finalized by the Mayor as they

are audits coming through the Mayor, then transmitted to

City Council.

So that is the question relating to the public records law

as it relates to the draft audit.

11:20:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I have another question.

If the audit becomes final once it's signed off by the

Mayor, then it's scheduled to appear on one of our agenda

and receive and file documents.

I have two audits in front of me, the two most recent ones

that came into my office, because they are usually delivered

to us.

We find them in our mailboxes.

The one on today's agenda today is the 17th of December,

is dated November 19th.

So we've had other meetings I think between November and

now, November 19th and now.

And the second audit that I have in my hand is not

scheduled, I don't believe, on -- well, it's not scheduled

on today's agenda, and I don't believe it was scheduled on a




previous agenda, but we did receive it recently.

It's dated December 3rd.

So I'm not sure where the rhyme or reason is between the

time an audit is signed and delivered to us and scheduled on

the agenda and how long it may sit in some kind of limbo.

11:21:31 >>JULIA MANDELL:
Once it's finalized and how it -- the sire

system and whatever time frame that is.

We usually have like a two-week lag time to get anything on

the agenda.

11:21:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
-- redevelopment one on today's agenda,

it's almost exactly a month.

And this one hasn't been scheduled yet, at least to my

knowledge.

But I do have it in my hand.

11:21:54 >>JULIA MANDELL:
The process to get it on your agenda,

notwithstanding, bottom line, the point in time it is final,

it becomes a public record.

Therefore, it would be right for City Council to see it, any

member of the public, the press to see it.

Prior to that, it is not a public record unless transmitted

outside of the scope of being in that draft.

11:22:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Also on the schedule today is to talk

about a strategic planning session and possibly charter

discussions.

These questions may carry over to a future discussion we




have about the charter and the procedures.

But I'm not understanding of why the audit is not final and

becomes a public record until the Mayor signs it, because

that would indicate to me that the Mayor, and not just this

Mayor.

I'm talking any previous Mayor, any future Mayor, would have

the opportunity to have maybe an influence of getting things

fixed before it's released to the public so it doesn't look

as bad as maybe a situation may seem.

So the opportunity that the administration has over what the

final audit has is my concern, because the final audit, you

know, after every audit question, it says recommendations

have been addressed as of, and in this case, it's

July 24th, 2015, and this is the December 3rd audit.

This is the December 3rd audit of the aquatics division of

parks and rec.

And this, it says target implementation date,

recommendations have been addressed as of July 24th.

And the date of this audit is December 3rd.

And it's not even scheduled to be on our agenda yet.

So there's definitely some hang time that concerns me.

11:24:02 >> I can speak to that specific example.

The challenge identified in that component, that component

identified in the audit, the solution was implemented then.

But that was only part of some of the observations.




There were other portions that we were addressing and

confirming the information before the audit was final.

11:24:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Only two recommendations in the entire

audit.

11:24:25 >> But there are three reviews, if I recall.

There are background checks for those involving children.

There's notification associated with health and I believe

one other one.

11:24:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Security best practices and operation --

software system.

One, the swimming pools are compliant with ADA, however

minor observations communicated to management,

implementation action began immediately and three,

appropriate background checks are conducted for program

partner instructors before they begin working at swimming

pool facilities.

11:24:55 >> That would be the third.

And as we're reviewing these three issues between the

internal audit department and the parks and recreation

department in this instance, any difficulties or challenges

identified are not going to be solved at the same time.

We're going to solve them as soon as we find them or

identify a timely plan to solve them.

In the instance --

11:25:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I understand that.




But what I'm saying is that if -- I'm talking about the

dates here.

If the audit was -- I don't know when the audit was first

implemented or scheduled to be done, but if the report

itself says that implementation was done in July and other

says it was done immediately and a third one -- I have to

find what the recommendation was -- was also within that --

either immediately or in July, why is the audit dated

December?

And why are we still not having it scheduled on our agenda?

So that's August, September, October, November, December,

that's five months, maybe six before it shows up on our

agenda.

11:26:03 >> I must not be communicating.

I thought I answered that exact question.

The component you're talking about, the issue was addressed

in July.

The other components weren't finalized until right before

the Mayor approved that audit.

11:26:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
No.

Two of the three say July.

The same date, July 24th.

The other one says immediately.

11:26:21 >> The immediate one was right before the Mayor signed it.

Maybe we could get a little more exact --




11:26:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Immediately to me means when it was

brought up.

Not when it's dated.

If the issue was found and it was addressed immediately, I'm

assuming that means that as soon as the issue was found, it

was addressed.

11:26:39 >> Perhaps we can clarify the definition of "immediately"

for you, ma'am.

11:26:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That really frustrates me.

I mean, really it does, Dennis.

I mean, if you're looking at a problem and that problem is

in front of you and you write in your report that it was

addressed immediately, that means it was addressed as soon

as you found it.

So whenever this report was started, they immediately found

the problem.

They immediately addressed it.

And I know that's got to be sometime before July 24th,

because that is the last date that was mentioned.

11:27:17 >> And you would be incorrect in that assumption, because I

was directly involved in addressing that component, and it

did not occur before --

11:27:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Somebody has to pay attention to how

these are written.

If I can interpret "immediately" to be as soon as the




problem was found, not immediately as far as what the date

of the report is, then there is a lack of clarity within

these reports.

And for an audit report not to be clear, that's a problem as

well.

11:27:44 >> I appreciate your opinion, ma'am.

And I don't mean to frustrate you.

11:27:53 >>FRANK REDDICK:
This is an issue that probably need to have

part of charter discussion.

11:28:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I believe so.

I fully would support that being one of the challenges we

discussed in our session.

Thank you.

11:28:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Cohen.

11:28:07 >>HARRY COHEN:
Let me just say this in the interest of time.

We can get into this issue during charter discussion.

To me, I know that the City Attorney is absolutely correct

in what she's saying about the draft language of the audit

not being a public record until it is signed off on.

That is no question the case.

The problem is that if it takes nine months or a year for an

audit to get from a draft form to signed, by the time it

gets here, it's either stale or the issues have been

addressed in such a way that it's really -- there's no

purpose to us taking it up.




I think that the interest of Council is to have this

information in a timely way so that when we receive it, we

actually have the ability to talk to the departments about

what is going on.

You know, I'll reserve my comments on it till the charter

discussion, but to me, it's really a question of

reasonableness.

When is it reasonable for the audit to be released and

brought to us?

And a year or whatever was reported, when this all came up,

we were talking about audits that had sat, in some cases,

for almost a year.

And it just -- that doesn't do anybody any good in terms of

being transparent about what is going on in the city.

Because we deserve to know and the public deserves to know

how their taxpayer dollars are being spent.

And one of the ways that we get that information is through

the timely presentation of audits, not so long after the

fact that the information contained in them is either

irrelevant or outdated.

11:29:53 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, you know, this goes back to the day

the problem we had with a city division.

And that's where when I made the original motion about why

we couldn't receive the order at the same time because the

clean city vision had a lot of problems within the ordinance




that was -- we were looking at the time line that this was

going on, and the date that we received it, and while this

was going on.

And we had no knowledge of it.

That's where the original motion came from.

But we'll address that, because we're under a time

constraint right now.

I don't want to prolong this with you at this point.

11:30:37 >> Just a quick question, chair, if I could.

Mr. Rogero, this is something that was brought up because of

what Mr. Reddick just mentioned, which is, you know, as we

go forward on our agenda, and we are signing contracts with

different entities because of their ability to provide

services to the city, that became kind of an issue with that

audit that Mr. Reddick is talking about.

We need the timeliness because we do not want to be in a

position in which we're doing our job, which is signing

contracts in order for the Mayor to go ahead and execute for

vendors that are not doing their job because we haven't

gotten an audit yet.

That's the biggest issue.

11:31:16 >> Understand.

11:31:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
In terms of the aquatics audit, a big issue

is how we were screening people who would be near children.

That was an extremely -- and I agree with what you're trying




to say which is immediately it's not defined in there very

well.

I agree with my colleague.

"Immediately" means immediately, right now, happening.

But I understand where you're going.

I understand in terms of the draft form, we're trying to

alleviate -- excuse me, we're trying to fix the problem and

then we'll get the audit and show that, look, we had these

screwups.

Here's where we fixed them.

But I want to make sure that those agenda items that come

before us on a department that is being audited, that those

contracts are pulled prior to it and reported as to why they

are pulled.

I think that's where the problem is at.

We need to know because we don't want to have to unravel a

contract later on because someone is not performing their

job.

That's what happened with the example Mr. Reddick was

talking about.

That's where the audit helps us and that's where it helps

the city as a whole.

Best way of describing it, I think.

11:32:23 >> Understood, thank you.

I definitely appreciate that content.




11:32:26 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Anything else you want to say?

11:32:28 >> No thank you, sir.

Thank you, Council.

11:32:31 >>FRANK REDDICK:
How long you need?

Did you say two minutes?

If you'll go more than two minutes, tell us now and come

back this afternoon.

You still haven't answered the question.

You need more than two minutes or do it in two minutes or

less?

11:32:57 >> Try to do it in two minutes.

11:32:59 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Because we've got to go.

11:33:02 >> There was a request to amend the recovered materials

definition in the commercial franchise solid waste ordinance

in article 8 to exempt out vegetative food waste from the

definition of recovered materials.

And I previously forwarded a memo to Council to explain the

copies of the statute that the city is not allowed to

deviate from the definitions that are set forth in the state

law.

Our definitions of recovered materials are identical to what

the state law definition is.

Although I understand how you're in favor of the concept of

the process of the vegetative food waste, diverting it from




the waste stream and want it to succeed, the fight is

actually on the state level with the state legislature,

because the state, there are six items recognized as a

recovered material, which Ms. Spengler had mentioned to you

and itemized.

That does not include vegetative food waste and we are not

allowed as a city to deviate from that definition.

If it's a recovered material -- recovered materials are not

solid waste, however, recyclable materials, which are

different in which this would be is solid waste and defined

as such.

As the ordinance is proposed to deviate from that

definition, we can't do it.

However, if you want to discuss some options on looking at

this process, then that's going to take -- there are ways

probably that we can amend several ordinances to accommodate

what this process would be, however, you're going to run

into trouble with your revenue bond obligations about

diverting waste from the stream because we have an

obligation under our revenue bonds which are paid -- that

built McKay Bay refuse-to-energy facility, you're prohibited

from diverting the waste from going to the facility to be

burned.

Garbage has been burned for the last 20 years.

And we produce renewable energy and have a contract with




Tampa Electric to do so.

As far as the state's recycling goals and state's statute on

recycling which the county has an obligation to meet, have

75% of the waste stream by 2020 to be recycled, and the

state law specifically recognizes that solid waste is burned

in an incinerator like a McKay Bay facility and turned into

renewable energy is part of meeting that recycling goal.

So what we do here at the city is part of the recycling

goal.

If that helps to clarify for you.

11:35:54 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions from Council?

11:35:56 >>HARRY COHEN:
It sounds to me like you're saying that we're

prohibited by law from passing the ordinance proposed today.

11:36:04 >> Yes, you are.

11:36:05 >>HARRY COHEN:
So the real question then, and I'll make this

brief so that we can wrap it up, the real question then is

how we can find a creative way to include these types of

materials.

The one thing that I think might warrant some further

discussion is if the materials we're talking about don't

actually produce any energy, whether or not they are

actually covered in any one -- whether or not anyone with

the bond obligations would care.

In other words, if you're diverting something from the

stream that produces no energy, it might be exempt by virtue




of what it is rather than by how it finds its way there.

I guess what I was going to ask is if maybe we could have a

staff report on this in about a month and talk about whether

or not there is an opportunity to creatively deal with this

material without impacting either our bond covenants or

running afoul of the state law.

And I would ask that we make a motion that we schedule that

for a staff report on February 4th at 9 a.m.

11:37:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Wouldn't it be better if we did it in a

workshop so we could get a lot of the issues up front before

we put it as a staff report?

The only reason I'm saying that, I think it's going to be a

lot more detailed than what we're -- because it will take up

a lot of time.

I'm just asking.

11:37:31 >>HARRY COHEN:
I'll tell you this.

We don't really have any workshop time available until

February 25th, so maybe we could schedule the staff report

with the idea that from what we hear that day, we could

always schedule the workshop then?

11:37:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.

That's fine.

11:37:46 >>HARRY COHEN:
That's a little sooner.

11:37:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I'll second that.

11:37:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Cohen.




Seconded by Mr. Suarez.

Any further discussion of the motion?

All in favor of the motion, aye.

Those opposed.

We thank you.

11:37:55 >> Thank you.

11:37:56 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We stand in recess until 1:30.



Tampa City Council

Thursday, December 17, 2015

1:30 p.M. Session



DISCLAIMER:

This file represents an unedited version of realtime
captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete
accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript.
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of third
party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.


[Sounding gavel]

01:39:41 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I call this meeting back to order.

Roll call.

01:39:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Here.

01:39:48 >>HARRY COHEN:
Here.

01:39:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Here.

01:39:55 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Here.




All right.

We go to committee reports.

Public safety.

Mr. Cohen?

01:40:02 >>HARRY COHEN:
I move items 10 through 14.

01:40:05 >> Second.

01:40:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.

01:40:07 >>HARRY COHEN:
So we are just doing then 10, 12, 13, 14.

And remove 11.

01:40:23 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Cohen.

Second by Mr. Suarez.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed?

All right.

Parks and recreation, Mr. Maniscalco.

01:40:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I move items 15 through 20.

01:40:34 >> Second.

We'll move 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, as well as 16 with the

substitution.

01:40:49 >> Second.

01:40:51 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Moved by Mr. Maniscalco.

Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor? Opposed?

Public works, Mr. Suarez.




01:40:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I move items 21 through 28.

01:41:01 >> Second.

01:41:02 >> Got a motion by Mr. Suarez.

Second by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed? Okay.

Finance Committee, Mr. Cohen.

01:41:09 >>HARRY COHEN:
I move items 29 through 34.

01:41:14 >> Second.

01:41:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Cohen.

Second by Mr. Suarez.

All in favor?

Opposed? Okay.

Building and zoning, Mrs. Montelione.

01:41:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I move items 35 through 39 and 41

through 54 with a substitute attachment to the sublease

agreement for item number 40.

01:41:43 >> Second.

01:41:45 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Got a motion by Mrs. Montelione.

Second by Mr. Suarez.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed? Okay.

Transportation, Mr. Cohen.

01:41:55 >>HARRY COHEN:
I move items 55 through 59.

01:41:58 >> Second.




01:42:02 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed? Okay.

Item 60 through 52.

All right, item 60.

01:42:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I will move number 60.

01:42:47 >> Second.

01:42:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Suarez.

Second by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor?

Opposed?

01:42:53 >> Move 61.

01:42:57 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Suarez, second by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor?

Opposed?

01:42:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And also 62.

01:43:04 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed?

Okay.

And 63.

01:43:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I will move to open all the public hearings

63 through 75, I believe.

01:43:37 >>HARRY COHEN:
Second.

01:43:39 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Suarez.




Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor of the motion say aye.

All opposed?

All right.

We'll go back to item number 7.

Item number 63.

Item 63.

01:44:02 >> Cathy Ginster, City Attorney's Offie. This is second

public hearing for approval of brownfield designation for

the former Amazon property, and the application has been

submitted the request to be designated as a brownfield area,

environmental protection on the property.

The details outlined in the document entitled staff report

on the former Amazon host property designation, which is

available for public review in the city clerk's office.

And staff has determined public notice requirements have

been satisfied and recommends this designation be approved.

And at the conclusion of the second public hearing council

will have an opportunity to pass a resolution supporting the

designation for the former Amazon.

01:45:02 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Anyone in the audience to speak on number

63?

01:45:06 >> Move to close.

01:45:07 >> Second.

01:45:09 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Suarez.




Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

All in favor?

Okay.

All in favor of that motion say aye.

Opposed?

Okay.

Item number 7.

Thank you.

01:45:22 >>JULIA MANDELL:
City attorney.

I understand since this issue came up there have been

questions over the years as to whether or not you can take

restrictions on a zoning plan, conditions on a zoning plan

and make them part of the property restrictions by recording

them as deed restrictions.

Let me just start off by saying that when we put

restrictions on the use of property to our zoning process,

PD or even restrictions within our code, a property owner

when they purchase property is deemed to have constructive

notice, and therefore a property owner cannot say, I didn't

know what the restrictions were on the property.

That wouldn't be a valid legal argument for them to make,

and the law is relatively well set under constructive notice

law, local government row strictions on the use of your

property.

Now, the question of whether or not you can take those




restrictions and then put them as some kind of deed

restriction on the property is also somewhat of a

complicated question because the nature of that restriction

is different than a zoning restriction, using police power

to restrict the use of property.

That's in the nature of a contractual restriction.

That is something that runs with your deed and does have an

impact on when you go to sell your property, how that sale

needs to be notified from one property owner to the other

property owner.

The problem is we are not a party to that sale.

We are a third party placing a deed restriction.

Now, in a situation where you have a property owner that may

have come forward in a zoning process or some other process

and says they would agree to some kind of restrictions of

that nature, we would have to look at that on an individual

basis to see if whether or not that would be a legal

restriction that can be placed in the deed restrictions, but

if those parties being the City of Tampa and the property

owner agreed, then that might be something that we would

have the right to do.

But it is not something you can impose on a property owner.

You can't force somebody to enter into an agreement to have

a restriction on their property without their consent, like

any other contractual restriction.




If you were to do so, then that would end up in the nature

of -- which is why you have traditionally had attorneys

sitting in the audience during your zoning process to

indicate to you that that isn't proper for you to impose

that, and it's not typically something that you see that the

restrictions that you place on a rezoning are properly

restrictions in a deed restriction on the property.

I'm certainly available for questions.

And we can discuss this item further in the future if that's

something you would like to do.

01:48:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Ms. Mandell, one of the concerns that I

had about properties and owners not being aware of the

conditions is if there's a requirement for a stormwater

culvert, which I know having had to install one or two that

you can put it in, you can sell the house, but then the

person who buys that house, maybe the first or second or

third owner doesn't know that that little swale on the side

of the property is required to move stormwater off the site.

Commercial properties are a little different because, you

know, stormwater swales are more obvious and larger and

sometimes lead to a farm, but when it's a residential

property, I know that owners have filled those in, planted

gardens, obstructed them with fences, and then we have a

problem with stormwater on that, you know, property or in

that neighborhood, on that street because the water is not




moving the way it should.

So how do we let people know when they buy a home, a new

house, that's been constructed with a swale on the property,

that they can't disturb that swale are?

01:49:42 >>JULIA MANDELL:
And that's what I was saying earlier.

Our regulations are in the public realm, and property owners

when they purchase property in a private transaction are

deemed to have constructive knowledge of our regulations.

That is why regardless of whether or not somebody says they

know or they don't know, wove a right to enforce against

them.

01:50:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
But somebody buying a house is not going

to know that that little ditch on the side of the property

is for a reason.

I mean, people don't know about -- regular, ordinary

homeowners don't know about, you know, movement of

stormwater or, you know, why that was put there in the first

place.

They just know that there's a little ditch on the side of

their property that for them serves no purpose.

01:50:28 >> And there's a difference between the legal knowledge that

I speak of and the reality.

Now, whether or not the reality would change because you put

it in the form of a deed restriction or not, I won't opine

on.




What I can tell you is that the nature of that restriction,

one that is from the contractual restriction through a

separate process, not your zoning process, that would have

to go through a deed restriction being placed upon the

property agreed to by those parties is a very different

legal instrument than a zoning restriction.

And unless you have a willing -- for example, that's why

what happens, you see there's all these restrictions but

that is something through the statutory process can be

placed on that property through the platting process as a

restriction, which is then put within the recorded public

document.

But once you get outside of that and you have gone through

that process, our legal authority is to place zoning

restrictions.

It is not to obligate deed restrictions.

So if you have got a willing property owner that says I'm

willing to do that, we could potentially enter into an

agreement under which that restriction is placed on that

property in perpetuity, and then it becomes a question of

whether or not we have the legal right to enforce that as a

contractual restriction, not as a zoning restriction.

But I understand what you are saying, which is more like how

do we make sure people know of this.

01:51:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Is there a way through our building




permitting process that -- because we are generally speaking

of new construction, and so when someone pulls a permit to

build a house, is there a way through -- because not every

property is going to come through zoning.

I mean, they are just going to build a house.

Is there a way to put in the permitting to say your

obligation, the property owner's obligation to notify the

buyer, or to have a sign posted, or --

01:52:37 >>JULIA MANDELL:
The problem is that in the law is not

something -- that goes beyond your police power.

Your police power is to put the regulation out there, but

some of the people in the private property exchange to say,

I am going to notify you of this condition of the city of

something that they have already complied with, you aren't

really talking about what becomes a contractual restriction,

and that is where we get into a potential of an issue, which

is why you don't see jurisdictions do things like this.

This has come up over the eleven years I have been doing

zonings here and at the county.

It becomes one to make sure people know what regulations are

because you have property owner number 3 is like, I had no

idea, and then we feel as if we are imposing something on a

property owner who didn't know but should have known.

But unfortunately that's what the title insurance process is

for, that's what the due diligence process is for.




That is something that in our law, to private property

owners to figure out and work through.

That doesn't make it easy for us.

It just means if we were to take it a step further and we

were to impose something on a property owner that's in the

nature more of a contractual restriction.

We do run the risk --

01:54:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
We'll have to talk some more offline

about this because there's got to be a way to figure this

out, because the requirement for a swale on a property, for

stormwater conveyance, isn't going to show up on a title

insurance search.

01:54:17 >>JULIA MANDELL:
In a, but --

01:54:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Unless it's listed on the plat it's not

going to show up any -- in any other --

01:54:29 >>JULIA MANDELL:
The nice thing we have now is we have an

ESTELLA online and back in the day when you had to actually

come down, and either here or development services, and

rifle through papers.

It was a little more complicated.

But I can talk to you more about that offline.

01:54:47 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Cohen.

01:54:48 >>HARRY COHEN:
Related to this topic, you and I have talked

about this before because people have come in to see me

where they purchased a piece of property and are zoned to




build something, and they find out halfway through their

construction that there was some sort of deed restriction in

the neighborhood that may be changed to setbacks or somehow

changed the rules that the city is looking at when they go

to permit the construction.

Have we made any progress in informing people when they

are -- the city doesn't enforce those types of covenants.

They are enforced by the neighborhood association or they

are enforced privately.

Have we made any progress in terms of alerting people that,

hey, you have been approved to build this, but just so you

know, it conflicts with some sort of neighborhood covenant,

and even though it doesn't cost the city an issue with

denial, it can be the source of obligation later on.

Have we made any progress in terms of the city alerting

people to that?

01:56:15 >>JULIA MANDELL:
We put people on notice, not that

it conflicts, because then that would obligate us to do the

research to determine if it conflicts.

It would be inappropriate for us to give that kind of

advice.

We have notices on our building permits especially for

residential single-family where this issue has come up which

remind people that they need to make sure that this building

permit, which was granted, is in line of any other deed




restrictions or restrictions on their plat, so that they are

at least made aware of that.

But again we have to be very cognizant that our rule isn't

one of utilizing our police power to have zoning

regulations, and that's why you can receive a zoning permit,

and we are going to let you go forward, but it may very well

be that there are other restrictions either through a

homeowners association or through your plat that you are

obligated to know of and be in compliance.

01:57:14 >>HARRY COHEN:
And for the lay person who is, you know,

building a home, who professionally today rely on to do that

search and to give them that information, generally?

Is it the engineer, the architect? Who is really

responsible?

01:57:29 >>JULIA MANDELL:
I mean, there's probably a variety of

professionals in that realm who have an ethical obligation

to whatever license that they have to act in a manner

consistent with the law.

The surveyor would have to put that information -- and this

is me just giving you my thoughts, because I haven't

thoroughly researched it -- a surveyor is obligated to make

sure that that is on your survey that you receive.

I would like to think the contractor.

The real estate agent who sold you the property should be

informing you of this information.




I am not saying that they all do.

I'm just saying that they have ethical obligations just as

an attorney has ethical obligations.

So there are people along the way who, from a professional

perspective, have those types of obligations, but certainly

we cannot be in the position of making sure that everybody

is acting in a manner, that their obligations are, whatever

state licenses they have.

01:58:28 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you.

01:58:30 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Other questions from council?

All right.

Item number 9.

Is he here?

01:58:40 >> Stan Fahey.

Mark woolford, the director, had another obligation.

He apologizes for not being able to be here.

He asked me if I would step up and see if I can answer any

questions for you.

01:59:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions by council?

Got a motion from Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed?

Thank you, sir.

Item number 8.




Madam clerk.

01:59:21 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
City clerk.

Number 8 is regarding the interviews of the applicants being

considered for the council for 4 positions on the citizens

review board.

The applicant selected for interviews today for the four

positions includes District 4, Irene Guy, Anneliese Meier;

district 5, Rasheed Ali Aquil, and Nestor Ortiz.

District 6, Donna Stark.

District 7, Mary Dahmer.

District 4, Irene Guy.

02:00:14 >> Thank you for the opportunity to address the council.

I am going to refer to my notes because if I don't I am

going to go over my time.

I am certain that you have reviewed my application and

recognize that I take this very seriously.

I have always been active in our community and this is an

opportunity to give back.

It's extremely important that this board has a very strong

foundation on all the expertise of the members, city staff,

council, mayor, in the collaborative process.

Once a process is in place, then make up of this board and

expertise of each member.

I have always he.

Being with a large corporation for 40 years there is no way




I could have been successful without being even handed and

thoughtful.

My nature is to listen, respect and take a measured approach

to any opportunities that present itself.

I am highly analytical with my ability to assess the

situation, seek multiple perspectives, gather information

and identify key issues that should be addressed.

This has always served me well.

As a very important woman in my life once said, facts are

friends.

If I am given the privilege of being selected I will take it

upon myself to learn everything I can about the diverse

neighborhoods that I am not entirely familiar with and also

learn more about the ones that I think I am.

I would also try to learn more about the police department.

I am also very lucky that I have a long career and

positioned myself in this next chapter of my life to be able

to provide pro bono help to nonprofits and spend my time as

I wish.

And I would like to lend my expertise to helping make my

city better in whatever way I can.

I absolutely see this board as a key to building trust

between the citizens and law enforcement.

Thank you again for the opportunity to address you.

02:02:33 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.




02:02:34 >> Do you have any questions of me?

02:02:37 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions from council?

No.

02:02:40 >> Thank you very much.

02:02:42 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
The other candidate for district 4

is Anneliese Meier.

02:02:57 >> Anneliese Meier, 2307 west Brooksville Avenue, Tampa,

Florida.

Thank you all for your consideration.

I have come before you many, many times, and I feel this is

probably the most important issue that I have come before

you on.

I am also going to refer to my notes because I will get too

passionate and go over my time, and.

When applicants were announced I thought long and hard and I

thought, what could I do to help this board reach

understanding between our citizens and our police force, and

just the whole community?

The creation of this board means we are being proactive with

our citizens and our police force and that shows to

outsiders, tourists, people wanting to move here and

businesses that we are willing to listen to our citizens,

and that we are no longer a small city.

We are a city on the move.

We are not as a man stated earlier today in the 1950s and




the 1960s.

We are here now.

And we have the growth to prove it and we have grown very

big.

And finally we realize that wave to listen to our citizens

and focus on our people.

We now recognize that we are a very diverse community, that

we are all important, no matter what race, ethnic

background, gender, cultural background, or family culture

we have.

You know me as a neighborhood worker.

You know me as someone who has come up to you many, many

times.

What you probably don't know about me is I wrote the

neighborhood grant that the county now uses, a grant that

all the municipalities can use, and the county as well.

For 16 years.

And I wrote it because neighborhoods need additional funds

for safety reasons, beautification, for education, and for

seminars and things like that.

I also work with the weed and seed grant of law enforcement.

In addition I volunteer for many nonprofits.

Arts, children's services.

I am your eyes and ears on the ground.

And I realize all of us that you have chosen are the very




same thing.

We are your eyes and ears on the ground, and I know that all

of us will do well for you.

If you choose me for this board, I promise to have an open

mind and no set agenda.

I also will use common sense and realize that every

situation is unique and different.

I will be fair and equitable.

There's in a road map for this and we are all going from

square one.

But I promise you that I will serve you well.

Thank you very much.

02:05:53 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions by council?

Thank you.

02:06:03 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
Thank you.

The first candidate for district 5 is Rasheed Ali Aquil.

02:06:17 >> Good afternoon.

And thank you for allowing me to express my concern, my

future commitment, and responsibility as well.

Let me begin bringing your attention that I was born in the

city right here at Tampa General Hospital.

I grew up in the hospital and over the years shown a great

passion, a great love for this city, and have participated

in the growth and development.

Through those years, I have inherited that same passion.




I watched the city grow and develop.

Obviously we aren't perfect.

I believe in structure.

I believe in things of that nature.

And moving in the right direction.

Also, I want to applaud that this is on the table and shows

the respect that we are moving in the right direction.

Positive growth is something that is always continuous.

So again I would like to thank you all for considering my

application to take me into consideration.

It's an honor to participate.

02:07:58 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions?

Thank you.

02:08:06 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
The candidate for district 5 is

Nestor Ortiz.

02:08:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
He was here earlier and handed a note to me

saying he had a commitment in the afternoon and couldn't be

here for the afternoon session.

But he was here this morning.

02:08:24 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
For district 6 there's Donna Stark.

02:08:30 >> Good afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to

address you this afternoon regarding the citizens review

board.

I believe I can serve well in this capacity because of the

combination of my professional talents I am a senior




functional business analyst for the specialization and

benefits, and what that means is it is my responsibility to

understand rules and regulations, to ensure our practices

are in compliance, to make suggestions for improvements and

to utilize our technological capabilities and resources to

their fullest extent.

I am familiar with creating a process and bringing a diverse

stakeholders to the table to successfully complete it.

I guided small and medium businesses in reviewing their

procedures and representing them in unemployment hearings.

I examined my witnesses and asked probing questions to

ascertain the truth about the separation of employment.

I have to remain objective and unbiased, use my knowledge to

give the best guidance and present opportunities for

improvement to my clients.

I always gave them my honest opinion about fought

proceedings and investigations.

I am currently the president of south Seminole Heights Civic

Association and am working hard to bring it to the next

level.

I firmly believe that all of my residents have a belief to

vocalize their thoughts and opinions and specify respectful

consideration and I conduct my meetings and online

activities accordingly.

Lastly and most importantly, I love this city.




I have chosen to make my life here and I want the best for

it always.

I was part of the inaugural mayor's neighborhood because of

my passion, and one of my favorite aspects of the City of

Tampa is that it is still a relatively young city.

Its character and machinations are not set in stone.

We still have a chance to grow, to build bridges and to

weave our differences into a stronger community.

I believe our ordinances are living, breathing documents and

they should involve our community needs.

I hope to have the chance to serve and to bring my skill set

and my passion to this process.

Thank you for your consideration.

02:10:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions from council?

Thank you.

02:10:52 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
Thank you.

Council, for district 7, I want to note that Shirley

Peggaway Green withdrew her request to be considered for the

citizens review board.

So we have one last candidate, Mary Dahmer for district 7.

02:11:18 >> Good afternoon.

I'm Mary Lou Dahmer.

I just want to say I have to refer to my notes.

When I first heard about the citizens review board, I didn't

hesitate at all.




I knew that this was something that had to be a part of.

It's just really, really important to me seeing everything

that's happened in other cities around the country, and I

have been involved with our neighborhood watch program since

2004 when my husband and I bought our first house.

Then in 2012, I did go through the citizens academy with the

police department, and I have been tased. (Laughter)

It was part of the process, and it was an experience that I

will never, ever forget.

It gave me a much greater appreciation for what our officers

are asked to do every day.

But I also work for the Department of Children and Families,

and I see another side, and I see several everyday, in my

neighborhood, at work, and just to have bring the two

together that is so important.

I have a background working with a huge variety of

socioeconomic background, multicultural.

I work with people from all over the world.

In my office as well as clients.

And this is something I feel passionate about.

And I really thank you for your consideration.

02:13:20 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Questions by council?

All right, thank you.

02:13:23 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
Thank you, council.

You have ballots.




If you would complete those, I would appreciate it.

02:13:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Chairman, can we vote by acclamation for

Mrs. Dahmer and Mrs. Sstark to accept the applications and

put them on board?

02:13:46 >> Motion by Mr. Suarez.

Second by Mrs. Montelione for district 6 and district 7.

All in favor of the motion?

Opposed?

Okay, congratulations.

Pass your ballots down.

Before you start the process, anyone going to speak on 64

through 72, please stand to be sworn in.

If you are going to speak on any item 64 through 72, please

stand to be sworn in.

(Oath administered by Clerk).

02:14:49 >> City of attorney's Tampa office.

Requesting a continuance.

I'm here for any questions.

02:14:59 >> Any questions by council?

All right.

Need a motion to continue.

Anyone in the public wishing to speak on item number 64?

02:15:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Move 64 to January 7th 2016 to have

10:30 a.m.

02:15:23 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Second by Mrs. Montelione.




All in favor?

Opposed?

Motion carried.

Item number 65.

02:15:34 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Land development.

This is AB 2-15-21.

The property is zoned Seminole Heights CI zoning.

It is 6428 and 6430 North Florida Avenue.

The request is for a small venue, beer, wine, liquor

on-premises consumption and retail sales package sales for

off-premises consumption.

The request is for inside area -- 1,859 square feet inside

area, 370 outside area for a total of 2,229 square feet in

total.

There are 30 spaces, parking spaces, 23 for automobiles, two

for motorcycle and five for bicycles.

Proposed hours of operation are from Sunday through

Wednesday, 11 a.m. to 12a.m., and on Thursday through

Saturday 11 a.m. to 1 a.m.

They are asking for a reduction of distance separation from

250 feet for other AB establishments to 199 feet, and for

residential use from 250 to 63 feet.

They are also asking for reduction of parking from 28 spaces

to 23 spaces.

This property was approved for alcohol beverage sales and in




2015 and may look familiar to you.

They are doing some changes to the site plan that call for a

new petition to come before you.

Two buildings on-site.

One of them will be forum distillery.

This alcohol beverage sales is actually going to be for the

building next door.

That's going to include both retail and storefront and a

wine bar.

Again, the square footages inside area, 1,859 square feet

inside and 370 feet outside.

They are in the Seminole Heights area so they do have some

tweaking of the parking area to compensate for the use of

motorcycle parking spaces and bicycle spaces, but they are

still needing a slight reduction in parking.

Staff did find this inconsistent with code.

It is a distance separation, and the parking reduction is

approximately 18% reduction.

There are, as council -- if council is inclined to approve

the number of site plan revisions we are asking really

corrected in nature as well as legal description that's

referenced on the site plan needs to be corrected.

Transportation also found inconsistent due to the reduction

of parking, existing building on the property now.

Started demolition of it.




This is the view of Florida Avenue.

Looking both direction, this is north.

South.

And the side street.

In terms of the broader picture.

Lambright is right on the north.

Florida Avenue.

The property is directly on Florida Avenue.

Florida Avenue is a transit corridor and that is the reason

for the reduction in distance separation for the 250-foot

requirement.

They are -- their nearest alcoholic establishment is San

Carlos tarvern and liquor store located at 6416 North

Florida Avenue.

They have residential right behind them at 102 west

Lambright.

That's really all the staff comments that I have.

If you have any questions.

02:19:53 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions from council?

All right, petitioner?

02:20:04 >> Greg Barnhill, owner and representative for the project

at 6430 Florida Avenue.

It must also be noted recalculation of the occupancy rates

for the proposed new construction will allow for three

additional parking allocations, the motorcycle and bicycle,




so the actual request for reduction and parking waiver would

be two spaces versus the five.

02:20:33 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions from council?

Of no questions for you right now.

02:20:44 >> Don Miller, City of Tampa police department.

We have no objections to this special use.

02:20:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Anyone in the public like to speak on item

number 65?

Item number 65.

02:20:58 >> Susan Long, 921 East Broad Street. This place was a

ratty, ugly, I don't know how else to describe it, auto

repair shop, and he's converting it into apartments upstairs

and beautiful things downstairs, wine and tea shop, other

things.

I totally support it and I hope you will, too.

Thank you.

02:21:19 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Anyone else wish to speak on item number

65?

02:21:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move to close.

02:21:26 >>HARRY COHEN:
Second.

02:21:28 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Discussion on the motion?

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

All right.

Mr. Miranda, would you read --




02:21:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move an ordinance for first reading

consideration, file AB 2-15-21, ordinance number 15-21 for

alcoholic sales, small venue on premises consumption and

retail package sales offpremises consumption and making

lawful the sale of beverages regarding alcohol content, beer

wine and liquor on certain plots, lot or tract of land

located at 6428 and 6430 North Florida Avenue, Tampa,

Florida as more particularly described in section 3, that

all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are

repealed, providing an effective date.

02:22:10 >> Second.

02:22:12 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Miranda.

Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

Any discussion on the motion?

All in favor say aye.

All opposed?

02:22:20 >>THE CLERK:
Second reading and adoption will be held on

January 7th, 2016 at 9:30 a.m.

02:22:27 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Before we go to the next one, the results

for the vote?

02:22:32 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
City clerk.

Council, the individuals selected for the citizens review

board from district 4 is Irene guy.

The individual selected for district 5 is Rasheed Ali Aquil.

02:23:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Congratulations to both applicants and look




forward to you taking part in the process beginning next

year.

Mr. Miranda.

02:23:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I would say that all applicants who came here are qualified

not only for this but maybe have a seat on the City Council

next election.

I didn't say "special" election.

(Laughter)

02:23:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I would ask that council do it by motion.

02:23:48 >> So moved.

02:23:50 >> Second.

02:23:51 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Suarez.

Second by Mrs. Montelione.

Discussion on the motion?

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

All right.

02:23:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Also, Mr. Chairman, to let you know,

working with the mayor's appointees, I will be coordinating

with the city attorney to bring back a resolution with

staggered terms that need to be addressed and council will

have a formal resolution, and that will be forthcoming.

02:24:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Duly noted.

Item number 66.




02:24:26 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Land development.

Before I get started there was a discussion about the notice

that was done for this application.

The notice that was done was for a small venue, beer wine

liquor, consumption onpremises.

The application that I reviewed and prepared the staff

report was for small venue, beer-wine, on and off premises

consumption.

The applicant indicated that he has in a intention of doing

liquor.

I think there was a miscommunication between the notice

requirements and our office to him as it relates to the

offpremises consumption.

He's indicated that he is not needing this at this moment.

If he decides to do the offpremises consumption he will do

it at a later date.

So at this point the request before you for small venue beer

and wine with consumption offpremises only.

The application involves property at 2106 west Main Street,

which is CI zoning.

The request is for 3,770 square foot inside area, 900 square

feet outside area, inform a total of 4,670 square feet total

area.

There are no off-street parking spaces available.

The application is indicating that chapter 14, hours of




operations, would be followed.

They are asking for a reduction in the distance separation

from alcohol beverage sales area establishments from 250

feet to 112 feet, and also a reduction in the number of

off-street parking spaces from 62 spaces to zero.

This property is on Main Street, and the proposed site plan

shows that the use of the property will be for place of

assembly, theater, and retail sales.

The proposed AB sales area again, approximately 4670 square

feet.

The site plan again does not show any parking available

on-site.

The occupancy load count related to this establishment is

248 individuals.

The site plan states there will be no outdoor amplified

signed after 11 p.m.

Again the hours of operation are chapter 14.

Staff finds it inconsistent as it relates to the distance

separation requirements, and the reduction of the total 62

off-street parking spaces.

If council is inclined to approve this request the legal

description has been corrected already.

So that is all right.

In terms of the site plan, there are a number of site plans

that need to be made as well as an indication there's going




to be retail sales available on-site.

Transportation is has findings of inconsistent.

This is part of the West Tampa urban village.

There is transit available on Howard Avenue and Armenia

within approximately 500 to 1,000 feet to the west.

Route number 7 runs on Howard Avenue and Armenia.

The nearest establishment is Main Street grocery at 2117

west Main Street from this establishment.

We have photographs to show the location.

Albany here, off the corner, on Main Street.

This is a photograph of the existing building, they'll be

renovating it.

A few of Main Street looking west.

Main Street looking east.

It's right across the street from the Redner park.

Do you have any questions?

02:29:00 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions by council?

All right.

02:29:02 >> Officer Miller, City of Tampa police department.

We have no objection to the proposed request.

02:29:16 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Petitioner?

02:29:16 >> Rob Morris.

I do own the building 2106 west Main Street.

I'm asking you to consider the beer and wine license to

create an arts district in old West Tampa, and revitalizing




the neighborhood in old West Tampa.

I would like to thank the Tampa Police Department.

They have been working with me the last year now, taking

care of any issue that helps tremendously.

02:29:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
What kind of district?

You said district.

02:29:52 >> Art district.

02:29:57 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Art district.

02:29:57 >> We work with the arts council and some of the artists in

the area to -- to create an arts district with artists, and

so I'm the first taking a chance there.

I am going to do a theater.

So my neighborhood has been really kind to me.

And we have been working together with all the associations,

add everybody has been pretty supportive of what we have

been trying to accomplish.

We did have a small event there with success.

We brought people from everywhere. And we were able to use

parking next door.

Some of the owners, they have 30, 40 parking spaces so we

were able to use that parking.

So I personally don't own a piece of land to allow for

parking.

But there's a lot of empty lots and land there.

So hopefully in the future I can buy a piece of land there




and create parking.

02:30:47 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Miranda?

02:30:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I agree with the gentleman before us

that there needs to be revitalization in the area with Mr.

Mars.

I dough not agree, however, they should have alcohol sales

in that location.

Just a transit location close to the revitalization of all

of the housing projects that are there.

There's going to be an air conditioning plant, and I don't

think it's a time to put alcohol in the location that

quote-unquote is for art.

02:31:19 >> Well, let me answer that question for you.

02:31:23 >> Certainly.

02:31:24 >> This is a theater so you would need to purchase a ticket

such as going to the Straz, and we had a play.

And you would purchase beer or wine.

If you are wanting liquor, in order to come into the venue,

you must purchase a ticket and watch a show.

It is not a bar.

It's not a club.

It's not a place where a party after hours.

It's not open all the time.

It's open when there's an event.

Thursday, Friday, Saturday.




02:31:54 >> So you are going to have a theater.

No parking to speak of.

02:31:57 >> Well, we are using the neighbor's parking.

What happens when that neighbor parking goes away?

02:32:04 >> Well, it's in the city so there's plenty of city parking

on the streets.

From Howard all the way down to public parking.

They can park all the way to North Boulevard.

It's a main corridor all the way down.

Behind there's an alleyway.

Behind there's a street.

So there is parking to anybody in the city.

02:32:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I wish it success, but without alcohol.

02:32:32 >> That would not be possible.

02:32:33 >>HARRY COHEN:
Let me ask Ms. Moreda a question.

The alcohol can't be tied to its use as a theater, correct?

02:32:47 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Well, the approval of this, it's a small

venue.

And what they are showing on their site plan is that the

intended use is going to be a place which is a theater or a

place where you go for performances and that's what he is

proposing for you.

If this were to change to another use, it would be

considered a major change.

02:33:09 >>HARRY COHEN:
What are some of the other uses that would




be permitted inside this type of approval besides a theater?

02:33:17 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Concerts.

Musical performances, things such as that.

Dances.

Revitals.

02:33:27 >> For the community to use for the association.

There's nab other place around for them to use.

The churches.

Anybody who wants -- it can also be used for that.

02:33:45 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
A church is not a place of assembly.

02:33:47 >>HARRY COHEN:
But there are parking requirements that come

along with these uses.

02:33:55 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
The intensity on his site layout is 240

individual -- 248, I believe.

02:34:01 >> I have a second staff meeting tomorrow.

We are reducing the attendance because of that parking

requirement.

So because of that issue, some of the spaces in the theater

are not going to be wide open spaces, beverages and chairs.

There's tables and also a space, and because of that also we

need to reduce the -- to 99, I have been installing a

sprinkler system, and really reduce it to 99.

So they will not approve the change of use if I have more

than 99 people.

It will be under 99 people allowed in that space.




02:34:45 >> Do wove a revised parking calculation based on that

change?

See, you are asking us to approve it before you are making

that change.

02:34:56 >> Well, unfortunately, I'm just doing it on my own.

Based on the parking waiver, they couldn't do a parking

waiver.

Then they could proceed forward and give me the change of

use with parking for 99 people.

If I don't get my change of use I can't do special events.

And the only way I can get that is if I reduce the access to

99.

And that's what my plan is.

Even if you do approve, from way understand, I still really

can't proceed for place of assembly because if I haven't

changed the use, it has not been changed yet.

02:35:38 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mrs. Montelione.

02:35:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.

It's kind of a chicken and egg situation, Ms. Moreda, it

seems?

And before you answer that, I just want to put on the record

how I feel about this. This is an urban location.

And there is plenty of on-street parking.

And, you know, we are hoping to develop an area where of

this might be the spark that changes the current status or




atmosphere on that street in, that neighborhood.

02:36:14 >> Correct.

02:36:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And the people who are coming, if you

are looking for 99 people, it would be probably half that,

because generally speaking, when people go to the theater,

they don't go alone.

They go with other people.

So it's not one car per person.

It's one car for every two or every four, because I'm going

to take another couple of friends with me.

So I guess growing up in a city where there were no

on-street parking lots, you know, surface parking to speak

of, and what parking garages there were were insanely

expensive, you found other ways to get to your destination,

and you carpooled or spent a lot of time looking for an

on-street place to park.

But I don't see, for this particular application, and

because it's tied to the use as a theater or place of

assembly, it's not like, you know, somehow a tenant can come

in and have a bar or liquor store.

It has to be tied to that use as a place of assembly, in

this case a theater.

So I'm okay with it.

And the idea that you can't get the change of use unless,

you know, we approve it today, even though what we are




looking at today looks like the 99 is --

02:37:52 >> Well, what we did was we evaluated the site plan, or the

floor plan that the applicant submitted, and the calculation

of 248.

If he is going to be revising that site plan, and the floor

plan to illustrate how now the maximum density is 99, that

could also be placed as a limitation on the special use site

plan.

Right now, the site plan would allow up to 248 occupancy.

02:38:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And this is first reading so those

changes could be made between first and second and when it

came back everything would match?

02:38:31 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Yes.

02:38:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Another thing regarding parking,

on-street parking and what you have so far allocated.

Looking at mass transit, the Hart number 7 bus stops right

in front of that location.

I know because I take that bus.

That bus connects West Tampa.

That bus stops at the Marion Transit Center right here

downtown.

So that right there being that some of us are trying to look

towards a day for a walkable, more transit-friendly city, I

would use it.

That bus benefits me, benefits a lot of people in my




neighborhood, people can take it right there.

So that could reduce some of the automobile congestion and

parking issues.

02:39:12 >>FRANK REDDICK:
One of the things that concerns me, and

when I got the -- I don't think no one has thought about the

development that will take place in West Tampa on Main

Street.

You can have a whole house torn down.

A lot of those streets are going to be closed while they

redevelop that land.

Where are you going to park?

You cannot move these cars into the residential community.

You stated earlier, people will go all the way down to

Howard.

What you are failing to realize, a lot of people are not

going to be able to get to Howard because all the

development that's going to take place over there.

A lot of people are going to have to move on these other

streets, walnut, because they are going to move to

residential area, so I see amazing problems with the traffic

and with all the development that takes place next year.

02:40:20 >> Well, the development is to tear down the building.

It's really not that close.

You are talking about at least a mile down the road.

Maybe more than a mile.




Maybe two miles.

Away from my area.

We are talking between Howard and Albany.

I don't know if you have ever been on that street.

02:40:38 >> I grew up there.

02:40:39 >> So you understand, this is an opportunity for that

community.

To take that away, if I can't get -- there's in a money,

profit in the theater.

Artists dough not make money.

There's no profit there.

The profits I would make -- there is not a mortgage.

So I got that out of the way.

So the opportunity to -- I'm not only investing on that

street.

I have also invested three streets over, developed some

houses over there.

I encouraged other builders to come in, to take advantage of

some of the West Tampa lots.

And throws another company, JCL, building 30 new homes over

there because what I have been able to do, and I encouraged

them to please come into this neighborhood, it's an

opportunity close to downtown, there's so much going on, you

know.

I don't want to wait until North Boulevard homes are




developing, five, six years down the road before anything

major happens.

We have a really good opportunity, I believe, for Main

Street to finally get to another level, and I felt like this

would be the best use for that building, in that location,

and inviting the neighborhood in, and they have all been

supportive for about a year now, in and out of that

building, and I have never had one problem with anybody

there.

Have been has been supportive, come over and see the space.

Anybody that wants to come and take a look or even just

helping them out financially doing some lifting or moving

into the space, you know, everybody has been really

supportive.

And the businesses that are there now, the liquor stores and

things like that, I don't know if that was the best use for

that neighborhood but I can guarantee you this theater is

the best use for that space in that area.

To take that away or that opportunity I think would be

wrong.

I am using parking from the neighbors.

They have allowed me to.

I don't own the lot.

But that's why I asked for a waiver because they are not

mine and I understand that.




In the future that could be developed.

And asking them where their parking is going to be if they

are going to put stuff there.

It's going to be up to you what we are doing in the future

but there are some public parking spaces across the street

around which don't own it.

But if I can't get my liquor sales then unfortunately I

can't move forward.

And that would be really sad because no way I can move

forward with that building.

You can buy a lot and get your parking but I can't afford to

be do that.

And having an arts district in Tampa I think would be a

really big opportunity.

Also there is plenty of parking.

It's not going to be a club by any means.

02:43:40 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions by council?

Anyone in the public wish to speak on item number 56?

Item number 56.

02:43:45 >> Mr. Chairman, here for another item, but crutcher of the

West Tampa chamber, west community redevelopment.

Ed Turanchik.

The problems we are talking about, it's also a good thing.

If there's a way to keep this going for maybe discussion

with the other lots, the maybe it's a way of working this




out in the interim.

It could be a good project.

But the issues are totally legitimate.

And that's all I have to say for whatever it's worth.

Thank you.

02:44:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Mr. Chairman, if I may, I would ask to

give everybody a chance to speak and then maybe the

petitioner would consider a delay to address council's

concerns.

02:44:55 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I never heard an attorney asking a

petitioner to ask us for a continuance.

Unless the attorney is part of the continuance.

I don't think he is.

02:45:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
May I?

If Mr. Shelby didn't, I was going to.

So consider the advice coming from me.

Mr. Turanchik and me.

02:45:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
And let me say another thing.

And no disrespect to no one, please.

I can't be a babysitter to anybody who buys a building,

including me, of what that building is going to be.

If that's what the intent, then you should have done that at

the time you bought the building, not after.

Go on.

02:45:37 >> anyone else to speak to item number 66?




02:45:41 >> Suarez, 3505 west Main Street.

My family and I own the marathon gas station around the

corner from this gentleman's property.

I have two concerns.

One is the obvious, lack of parking.

The other -- and it's just interesting because I am not a

conspiracy theorist by any stretch of the imagination.

But from what I pulled up today, if you look here at the

building was just purchased according to this in October of

this year.

Sole that was only two months ago for a thousand dollar.

The gentleman claims he's been there for over a year, and if

that's the case, then not even three or four months ago, my

father and I were here, because somebody else wags trying to

do the same thing at the same property.

They wanted to do the same thing, which is bring in beer and

alcohol and package sales.

To be honest with you, I practically grew up in the

neighborhood as well, down the street.

And that's always been an issue with alcohol there.

Because I have a business around the corner, I see it first

and foremost.

I have people coming over that are intoxicated trying to use

my restroom.

There is no parking on Main Street as he claims.




If you don't mind I will pull this up on my phone as well.

Because of what they just did with the interstate

construction, starting in my business, they resurfaced all

of green street. This is on Google map. This is green

street here headed east down his property.

And there's no parking on green street anymore.

There used to be.

But they got rid of all of that because they widened the

highway.

In other words the highway went further north.

They shaved off the slope of the side of the highway and

there is in a parking anymore on green street.

So unless he buys a lot -- and I would be willing to sell

him the lot that we have pretty close by -- I don't see how

anybody -- I know for our business when we had to buy

adjacent lots when we built our gas station that was a

requirement to be able to do that, alcohol, at least a beer

and wine license, and that was necessary, which he doesn't

meet that criteria.

Thank you.

02:47:48 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Anymore else wish to speak on item number

66?

You will have an opportunity.

02:47:55 >> Good afternoon.

My name isgy Erma Suarez, and I own that property on Howard




and Green.

I own the property at Howard, two corners right there.

And I'm in the neighborhood for 35 years.

And I don't know if you remember in '85, 90, used to be a

bunch of things in the back on Main Street, and every

Thursday, Friday, Saturday, there used to be a fight over

there.

The police station right there.

And came down and I don't see what the reason you are going

to put in a theater, and going to have a wine for that

particular business.

I'm in opposition to that request.

So if the gentleman decides what it's going to be.

Thank you.

02:49:13 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

Petitioner?

02:49:15 >> To clarify, we are not going to be selling --

02:49:21 >> You have to talk into the microphone.

02:49:23 >> We are not going to be selling beer or wine.

The parking is green street and Albany.

The owner next door to the 21, he owns the corner lot that's

on green street and Albany.

And he allowed me to use his space for parking.

And directly across the street I use his land for parking

and it's directly next door, the club there.




But he allowed me to use his parking.

As far as ownership of the building I had a lease purchase

as well as renting the space, and that's how I was able to

purchase property at the time I did.

But I was leasing the property.

I didn't think that would be an issue but was leasing and

representing property until I had the property to purchase

the building.

I hope that clarifies.

02:50:20 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Let me ask you a question.

What would you do if the people allowed you to use their

property for parking, that they come to you one day and say

they are withdrawing that request?

What would you do?

02:50:37 >> I guess my main goal is, I want to buy an empty lot.

There is a lot of empty land there.

My goal is toe purchase a lot.

Just right at this moment I doesn't have the fund to do it.

I was hoping this business would generate the funds to be do

that, and then there are some land opportunities that I have

been talking to some owners that are willing to sell to me,

you know, and even owner financing.

I might just do that.

Just right at the moment I don't have those funds.

And I can work with the neighborhood.




There's nothing going on on that road.

It's pretty abandoned.

02:51:10 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Suarez.

02:51:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, chair.

Sir, of what we want to try to do -- and I know for me, I

have been to spaces very similar to yours in other cities,

other urban areas where there are small theater spaces and

they are all urban and all without parking, okay?

The difference is that in those major cities, there are

areas which you can park and some other ability to do.

I can go to American stage.

There's no other parking than the parking garage next door.

The same thing with Stageworks here in the Channelside

district.

The problem we have with giving you a waiver, such a large

waiver, even with the repurposed space, instead of being 248

occupants down to 99, it's still a fairly large number.

That's the difficult legal issue we have.

You heard from your neighbors.

Sounds like the Suarez family ---no relation to me, by the

way -- like us Suarezes are very good-looking guys -- they

have something thereby you might want to talk to your

neighbors about how you come up with contractual obligations

to yourself and to them so that you can get some kind of

parking, and maybe even you might want to ask for a




continuance to us so that you can arrange that.

We don't want to see development go away, and we don't want

to see development go crazy either.

We want to make sure that it's a good space.

I think it's great that you want to open up a space to do

that.

But I do think there are some issues that you need to work

out prior.

And it may be something for you to think about.

That's all.

02:52:44 >>HARRY COHEN:
I just want to briefly add to what

Councilman Suarez just said, that one of the things about

our process here is that it's forever.

It's permanent.

And the problem that I -- I am not going to say we because I

don't know if the others have this problem, but the problem

I have is a year from now when there's no parking and

everybody is parking all over the streets willy-nilly and

you are open till three, within the code, you can serve

until 3 a.m., and there's people walking all throughout the

neighborhood stumbling around looking for their cars, people

will come back and say why did you allow this with

absolutely no parking?

And with no plan of whereof people were going to go.

And to Councilman Maniscalco's point about the bus, I don't




think it runs that way.

So at night, it's not going to help.

There isn't a way to get people in and out.

I have sympathetic and understand the comments that

Councilwoman Montelione and Maniscalco and you make about we

can imagine for the neighborhood and what we would hope

would happen to help revitalize the neighborhood.

I don't feel like we are there yet with this application.

I feel like we might be able to get there at some point, but

in the state that it's in right now, I think there's too

much uncertainty.

And once we pass it, we lose any ability to affect anything

about it.

It completely comes out of our hands.

So this is the only chance that we have to make sure that we

get it right.

And that's my qualm at this point.

02:54:37 >> I think the decision -- I am probably going to ask for a

continuance, obviously.

And I would just secure the parking contracts if that helps.

I was told that maybe I don't need that.

So I don't have an agreement with them for future parking.

So if I have an agreement, some sort of contract, I don't

know what you would look at, what I would need to do to

bring that back, but I will tell you that what is there now




with prostitution, drugs, gambling, things like that that's

going on now, I can't imagine it's better than what I am

bringing.

If you think that is better and more crime --

02:55:16 >> You think alcohol is going to be a sure fire way of

improving it are?

02:55:21 >> I understand, it's not liquor, this is beer and wine, and

these are people who are upstanding citizens or

professionals, a show, they are there for two or three

hours, have a drink and come back, just like any other

theater.

I don't know how many problems there are at Straz and other

venues -- Straz.

I am here to revitalize the neighborhood, take away the

drugs, the prostitution.

The police have been there many times to support me when we

were having the venue, invited them in.

They are very supportive of that.

What's there now is worse than way think I'm proposing.

So I'm just trying to do something I think -- I own a home

in that neighborhood.

And in the neighborhood and have the support of our

neighbors.

02:56:14 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right, we got your point.

Mrs. Montelione.




02:56:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.

So back to the actual facts here.

TV proposed use, place of assembly, retail sales, has the

occupant load, Mrs. Moreda, at 248.

Now, if we are just talking about how in order for us to

proceed, because I know about the problem.

Believe me, I understand.

That so you are looking to lower to 99.

Parking calculation is 62 spaces based on 248.

What is the parking requirement for 99?

02:56:57 >> 25.

02:57:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
25.

And like I said people are going to be coming in pairs or in

fours.

25 is not a lot of parking spaces, especially when you

consider a 99 occupancy load, and then people are coming in

pairs or with their friends.

So I really don't see where the difficulty is coming from in

order to allow theater to open in an area where there is

more than enough street parking for 25 cars or less.

We talk about all the time here how we want to redevelop our

neighborhoods and everybody here has heard for five years --

and I wish Ms. Capin was here to talk about cultural arts

and the economic impact of the cultural arts in our

community.




Because anybody who was around Ybor City, all of you know,

back in the 70s and 80s, it was starting on doing in

places where they probably shouldn't have been because I

don't know if they were approved by fire code, some of these

places, nobody wanted to go down there.

I used to go down there.

It was kind of fun.

It was artsy.

And now look what it is.

It starts with the artists.

It starts with people like him who are willing to take a

chance.

But I don't want this to go down in flames.

02:58:42 >> One last comment.

I don't need to be babysat about my building.

That building was not originally going to be a theater.

It was going to be an office.

I was encouraged by the neighborhood and the people around

me to do something better for the neighborhood rather

than -- so I apologize.

I'm so passionate about what I am trying to do.

The people around me, encouraging me and pushing me to do

this with them.

And I felt it was a really good opportunity now, months now,

and this is the way to do things.




02:59:21 >>FRANK REDDICK:
You are telling me and this council that

the neighborhood came to see you and this is what they want?

02:59:25 >> Yes.

02:59:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Who are they?

02:59:28 >> The arts association.

I talked to them.

Our own association, Tampa association.

And Yvonne Capin, when I met with her, were talking about an

opportunity there for an arts district, arts council.

There's no arts district.

I went to the arts council meeting and they encouraged me

because of Ybor City is kind of different now, not what it

was years ago, and so there's an old theater on Howard, an

actual theater, I want to say 11 or 12,000 -- 20,000 square

feet, sitting there.

Just sitting there.

A beautiful building.

It's falling in.

Right at the corner of Spruce.

If you look in the 20s how beautiful that theater used to

be.

There's also artist lofts on Armenia. This is a really good

area for an arts district.

And have you seen that? Nobody is taking care of it.

It's forgotten over there.




I am just trying to bring life back there.

All the windows are boarded up.

That's a beautiful building.

The windows should be open.

We should be encouraging growth there.

I'm not asking for a lot.

It's just 25 parking spaces literally.

I am not going to have 300 or 400 people.

It's not even possible to handle that.

I want the minimal space.

99 people is all I am asking for.

So I really don't think I am asking for too much.

And the building is beautiful.

That building, you know, on that street --

03:01:04 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Are you requesting a continuance to when?

Asking staff on this.

03:01:13 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
I would like to work with the applicant to

understand the floor plan.

I would say the earliest at the end of January.

February 4th.

03:01:25 >> Don't have much that day.

03:01:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Motion to continue to February 4th

at 9:30 a.m.

03:01:34 >> Second.

03:01:35 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right, got a motion.




03:01:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Forgive me.

Before you make the motion, Mrs. Moreda did provide a

corrected ordinance.

So I would ask that you accept the substitute as part of

that motion.

At least this is the purpose of what happened, what was

discussed in this hearing.

03:01:53 >> Thank you very much so much.

03:01:59 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We have a motion on the floor from Mrs.

Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

Any further discussion on the motion?

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

Okay.

Item number 67.

03:02:17 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Land development.

This is AB 2-15-23.

It involves Busch Gardens.

The property is located at 3605 east Bougainvillea Avenue

and 3500 east Bougainvillea Avenue.

It includes the property for Busch Gardens and Adventure

Island.

The request is for a large venue beer wine liquor on

premises consumption and retail package sales for Jove




premises consumption.

The AB sales area involves an entire park area.

It does not include the parking, or the front area here, but

the park itself it will cover the entire area.

And that area is 288.44 acres.

The park itself has over 5,000 parking spaces, 5,650, and

they are proposing compliance with chapter 14 hours of

operation.

They are asking for a waiver reduction of sales from

alcoholic beverage sales establishments from 250 feet to

148, as well as separation from residential, 250 to 30 feet.

As I stated earlier, this involves all the land area and the

site plan also indicates the six multi-story buildings where

alcohol sales would also occur.

This is a large venue which requires a minimum of 300

persons which they far exceed that amount.

In terms of their site plan, they are indicating that there

would be no outdoor amplified music after 11 p.m.

I was advised by the applicant that they are going to be

withdrawing that commitment from their site plan.

The applicant will be able to discuss that further.

But staff found this inconsistent as a result of the

distance separation requirement as well as if council is

inclined to approve it, if you would note the staff comments

to the site plan. The nearest alcohol beverage




establishment is Food and Deli at 10002 north 30th

street which has 2(APS), 148 feet away.

The nearest residential is both RM-24 and RS-60.

You can see the RS-60 wraps around Adventure Island and the

RM-24 is across the street on 30th street.

I don't know that I need to show pictures, but I have

pictures of 30th street and Busch.

Picture of the front end of Adventure Island.

I think this is 30th and Busch.

The original one was McKinley.

This is a photograph of the residential across the street on

Linebaugh.

If council has any questions.

03:05:37 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Questions by council?

All right.

03:05:40 >> Officer Don Miller, City of Tampa police doesn't.

We have no objections.

03:05:46 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Petitioner?

03:05:58 >> Grace Yang, with the Gray Robinson law firm, 401 East

Jackson Street, swat 2700 Tampa, Florida 33602, and I have

been sworn.

It's my pleasure today to be here to represent the

petitioner.

Sea World parks and entertainment owns and operates Busch

Gardens and Adventure Islands here in Tampa, as well as also




operating Sea World San Diego, Sea World Orlando, and

discovery cove, aquaticca, and Busch Gardens Williamsburg,

Virginia.

With me in the audience is president Jim Beam as well.

Council members, we are here today to request your support

and approval of a pending petition which would allow Busch

Gardens and Adventure Islands greater flexibility in the

alcohol uses within the park, and that greater flexibility

would allow for beer wine and consumption on the premises in

the park as well as package sales off the park.

Both of the parks, Busch Gardens and Adventure Island, they

compete for tourism dollars, from local residents, state

resident and International visitors.

And your approval of this request would allow Busch Gardens

and Adventure Islands greater flexibility with their

programming for events and to compete in the hospitality and

tourism industry which is very competitive, and we try to do

our best to support our local tourism partners here in

Tampa.

As an example, Busch Gardens Williamsburg, one of their

sister parks in Williamsburg, Virginia, they have enjoyed

some nice success with hosting beer festivals and food and

wine festivals there, where park visitors are allowed to

sample different varieties of beer, and areas of samples of

varieties of wine, and they taste something and they like




the beer that they are sampling or they like the wine that

they are sampling, they can buy a bottle of wine toe take

home with them, and they can buy some of the beer that they

tasted and take home with them.

Busch Gardens Tampa and Adventure Island, they would like a

similar ability to be able to host some of these beer

festivals, wine festivals, and have that ability to offer

that experience to the parks here as well.

With the continued popularity of festivals here, with some

alcohol component to the, again this would allow for their

ability to enjoy some greater programming options and to be

able to offer -- it's an experience for some of the park

visitors who come annually, and there are over 4 million

visitors who visit the local parks here.

Starting in Adventure Island, they take the responsible sale

of alcohol very seriously.

In the packet that I submitted to you last week, I gave you

a summary of information about how they train their

employers, their alcohol service policies, how the employees

are trained to identify and to try to do their best to

prevent other consumption and underage drinking at the park.

Both of the parks continue to pledge to be responsible,

committed and be good about careful alcohol sales at the

parks.

There is park security at all times in the park during




operating hours.

There is also a Tampa fire station and a Tampa police

station nearby within a thousand feet that provides

additional supplemental support to those security and safety

efforts.

To ensure the safety of the park's guests and the park

employees and the community surrounding the two parks.

And you heard about the police report from detective Miller.

We have over 4 million visitors to the parks annually with

minimal incidents at the park.

In addition to the letters of support that came in their

packets last week, I just wanted to submit into the record

an additional letter from the Florida Attractions

Association that I passed around to you all, and I would ask

that that be introduced into the record as well today.

As Ms. Moreda mentioned, we did want to raise this with

council and ask for your approval to remove the condition

that's been carried over from a prior site plan, and that

condition is the amplified music condition.

We would like to request your approval to have remove the

restriction of no amplified music or noise past 11 p.m.

Both of the parks, they have a sound system throughout the

park that they use to pipe in music, ambient music,

atmosphere, so if you are there during howl-o-scream, it

might be a little spookier music.




Now during Christmastime you have festive holiday-type

music.

But it's important that they be able to use the speaker

system, not only to provide a more pleasant guest experience

with some atmospheric music, but also the sound system and

the speaker system is critical for guest safety as well so

they can use the speaker system to announce for example that

the park is closing, so if the park is closing past 11 p.m.,

which sometimes happens during special events, they would

like -- they need that ability to be able to use the

plified sound system to let park visitors know that the

park is preparing to close, please prepare and start

existing, heading towards their exits.

In the event of inclement weather they need to use those

systems, if there's lightning, if there's inclement weather

in the area they want to be able to use the sound system to

announce any emergency and safety messages that they might

need as well.

And so we would like the ability to have that option to

continue to use the amplified sound system.

I'm happy to answer any further questions you may have.

03:12:21 >>HARRY COHEN:
Are there questions and comments from

council members at this time?

If not, is there anyone here from the public that would like

to speak on this application?




I don't see anyone.

03:12:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I don't have one question.

03:12:41 >>HARRY COHEN:
Mrs. Montelione.

03:12:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.

I don't see it here, but it was my understanding that the

restriction on the number of events held, so that's why we

only have four a year?

03:13:00 >> Yes.

There is currently, on the current site plan, that has been

controlling since 2007, there is a restriction for 100 day

as year in the park for special events.

And with this revised site plan that is before you now, we

are requesting to lift that 100-day cap.

03:13:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I may have missed it and I wanted to

make sure that was part of it.

03:13:23 >> Yes.

03:13:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And I'm sorry, Jim, I have been to the

Disney, the EPCOT wine and food festival.

I was there, and we went for our anniversary, 14th

anniversary.

I'm sorry.

But, you know, you can sample the wine, and you can buy the

wine, and you can take the wine home.

So I think it's a very good benefit to have.

And I don't see how you can be competitive without having




that ability.

And I have been a neighbor for, I don't know, I have lived

in the neighborhood, in the area for 36 or 7-some-odd years,

and I nary hear a complaint about people leaving and having

to have the police or anyone else be removed from the park

or something happening alcohol related.

So I appreciate that.

Especially with that many visitors a year.

That's quite a record.

Thank you.

03:14:30 >>HARRY COHEN:
It's not really appropriate of me to have

ask a question of another council member so I will ask it of

you.

Has there ever been a problem in the past with the amplified

sound causing disruption for neighbors under the current

restrictions?

I think it's from 2007.

03:14:57 >> It's my understanding, Mr. Cohen, that we have not

received any complaints from the park due to amplified music

coming from the park.

I am aware that there are some surrounding residents who are

not happy about the noise from the roller coaster.

03:15:14 >>HARRY COHEN:
That I have heard about.

03:15:16 >> But I am not aware of significant neighbors -- I am not

aware of neighbors being upset.




I'm not aware of homeowner associations complaining about

music from some of the concerts that happen.

And the park, they do independently measure for the decibel

levels as well and will continue to comply with all local

noise ordinances.

03:15:41 >>HARRY COHEN:
Anything else from council members?

Mr. Miranda?

03:15:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
No.

03:15:49 >>HARRY COHEN:
Well, there was in a one in the public that

wishes to speak.

We have a motion to close and a second.

All those in favor please indicate by saying aye.

Opposed?

All right.

Mr. Suarez, would you please take item number 67?

03:16:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I present an ordinance for first reading

consideration, an ordinance repealing ordinance number

2007-220, approving a special use permit S-2 for alcoholic

beverage sales, large venue on premises consumption and

retail package sales offpremises consumption and making

lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic

content, beer wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or

tract of land located at 3605 and 4500 east Bougainvillea

Avenue, Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in

section 3, that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in




conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

03:16:40 >> Second.

03:16:42 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I have a motion by Mr. Suarez, seconded by

Mr. Miranda.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

Okay.

03:16:50 >>THE CLERK:
Second reading and adoption will be held on

January 7th, 2016, at 9:30 a.m.

03:17:00 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Item 68 it is recommended that it be

continued to January 7th.

03:17:05 >> Item 68?

03:17:11 >> [Off microphone.] The publication was not perfected.

It cannot be heard today.

But what has been presented, I believe, is a resolution

setting a new public hearing on January 7th.

That's what we would ask that you move.

To move the resolution resetting the public hearing.

03:17:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move the resolution to set the public

hearing on January 7th, 2016, 10:30.

03:17:43 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Item number 69.

03:17:54 >>SHAUN AMARNANI:
City attorney's office.




This is the second reading of a development agreement for

Hyde Park Village.

I'm here for any questions.

03:18:00 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Questions by council? Anyone in the

audience wishing to speak on item number 69?

03:18:08 >> Tim Alexander, representing the owner of Hyde Park

village development here with my counsel Ed Turanchik, also

here to answer any questions, and thank you for your

consideration.

03:18:24 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Questions by council?

03:18:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move the resolution.

03:18:26 >> Motion to close by Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

All in favor?

03:18:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move the resolution.

03:18:39 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Miranda.

Second by Mr. Cohen to move the resolution.

Number 69. All in favor?

Opposed?

Okay.

Well worth the wait.

Item number 70.

A request to continue to April 7th, 2016.

03:19:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I believe the petitioner is not present?

03:19:06 >> No, they left.




03:19:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Mr. Chairman, there is an issue with

regard to this, two fold.

Number one, petitioner is not here.

But more importantly than that, although under your code,

that's grounds for deeming it withdrawn.

You can see by the agenda, this was originally continued

from June 4th of 2015, then came back on September

3rd.

Here we are December 17th and now they are requesting a

continuance to April 7th which is almost a year without

additional notice.

So it would be my recommendation that if council should

entertain granting this continuance, that part of that be

contingent upon the applicant renoticing this for the

continued date.

Your other option again is under 27-150, failure to be here,

is good cause for deeming it withdrawn.

03:20:01 >> In this case they currently changed attorneys on this and

it does have to go to the BLC, and they continued as well.

So we can't do a report on this issue until it goes to BLC.

So it's your choice to whether you continue it or withdraw

it.

Bull if you do continue I would recommend renoticing this.

03:20:24 >>HARRY COHEN:
I movie to continue it with the renotice

provision.




03:20:30 >> Second.

03:20:31 >>HARRY COHEN:
To April 7th.

03:20:35 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Cohen.

Second by Mr. Miranda.

03:20:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
The time would be 10:30.

03:20:40 >>HARRY COHEN:
April 7th at 10:30 a.m.

03:20:44 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion from Mr. Cohen.

Seconded by Mr. Miranda.

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

All right.

Item number 71.

03:20:51 >>BARBARA LYNCH:
Land Development Coordination.

VAC 16-03 is a city-initiated application to vacate an alley

in Sulphur Springs.

I have a map showing the location.

The city owns the property shown in red, and the alley is in

yellow.

North of Bird Street and Juneau Street.

I have some photos.

The alleyway is unimproved and blocked at both ends by

fences currently.

Here is a picture of the alleyway looking north at Bird

street.

And looking south on Juneau Street.




The property is vacant.

This is a shot of the city owned property.

And that's another angle.

There are three lots there.

This is part of the project that Mr. Snelling is here to

talk about it.

The alley is approved and blocked at both ends and there are

no utilities and staff has no objection to this request.

03:22:03 >>THOM SNELLING:
Planning and development.

These three lots here will allow us to put three more lots

into the pal for affordable housing in the Sulphur Springs

area.

And we acquired these but they were five feet short of 100

feet, which made them 50 by 95, making it 250 square feet

short for buildable lot.

By doing this, this allows us to put a more attractive

package, more attractive RFP out for people to bid on.

I'm asking for your consideration to approve the vacating.

03:22:43 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Any questions from council?

All right.

Anyone in the audience top speak on item 71?

All right.

03:22:58 >> Motion to close.

03:23:01 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Miranda.

Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.




All in favor?

Opposed?

Mrs. Montelione.

71.

03:23:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Number 71.

I move an ordinance being permitted for first reading

consideration, an ordinance vacating, closing,

discontinuing, and abandoning an alleyway laying south of

JUNEAU street, north of Bird Street, east of 14th street

and west of Mulberry street in Sulphur Springs addition to

Tampa, Florida a subdivision in the City of Tampa,

Hillsborough County Florida the same being more fully

described in section 1 hereof providing an effective date.

03:23:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Second.

03:23:45 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All in favor?

Opposed?

03:23:48 >>THE CLERK:
Second reading and adoption will be on January

7, 2016 at 9:30 a.m.

03:23:54 >> okay.

Now we move into the workshops.

03:23:57 >>THE CLERK:
72.

03:24:04 >>FRANK REDDICK:
That's right.

That cannot be heard.

03:24:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Move to have reschedule to February

4th, 2016, 10:30 a.m.




03:24:13 >> Soaked.

03:24:16 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Are you the petitioner?

03:24:17 >> Yes, sir.

We had asked for an earlier date but the clerk's offers has

indicated that they have a very heavy schedule on the

21st.

So we would defer to them.

03:24:30 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Got a motion from Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

Discussion on the motion?

All those in favor are? Opposed?

Okay.

03:24:38 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
Thank you, council.

03:24:43 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Workshop.

Item number 73.

03:24:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I have provided you background materials

that was forwarded to me by Brendan Wagner of the county

administrator's office of the, as well as Florida statutes

that are relevant to this discussion.

And I believe that answers your questions.

03:25:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Let me ask you a question.

Could we move this to the January strategic meeting?

03:25:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Certainly.

It's relevant to that.

Absolutely, sir.




03:25:15 >> Second.

03:25:23 >> Second.

(Laughter).

03:25:25 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Cohen.

Second by Mrs. Montelione.

January 28th at 9 a.m.?

All right.

Any further discussion on the motion?

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Those opposed?

All right.

Number 74.

03:25:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I had stated that the county attorney is

in the process of drafting their ordinance which is relevant

to your discussion.

Therefore I am requesting this workshop be reset as a staff

report and rescheduled to January 21st.

I will be able to report back by then of.

03:26:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So moved.

03:26:02 >>HARRY COHEN:
So moved at 9 a.m.

03:26:05 >> Staff report, yes.

03:26:07 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

Okay.

Item 75.




03:26:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I had by per your discussion reached out

to have four facilitators.

Each of them known and recommended to several people on

council and in the community.

Three did respond.

One was unavailable on January 28th.

I did forward you that material for your consideration.

03:26:36 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Okay.

Information reports.

03:26:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm sorry.

We probably need to select someone so they can be ready for

our discussion in January, because we are pushing the

calendar close here.

03:26:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
[Off microphone.] the fact that they are

going to be reaching out to you to prepare an agenda so your

goals and objectives were met on the 28th so they have

some direction as to what you want to accomplish to

facilitate the discussion.

If you can give me direction to notify who it is that you

wish to select, then I can notify the others, and that

person selected can start moving forward with the process of

preparing for the 28th of January.

03:27:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Right.

And that's why I was thinking we should make a decision

today, because there is preparation time for them.




And then I have done this before, as someone who had to be

contacted to be interviewed amongst many people

participating in the process, and it usually takes them a

whale to narrow everybody down to interview and to respond

to the questions.

So I think the more lead time we have the better.

And may I say that I read all of the proposals that Mr.

Shelby had forwarded to us, and for me, it comes down to two

of that prepared the most thought-out applications to us, or

submission to us, and that would be either Mel Girardeau or

Rafael, and -- Rafael Montalvo.

03:28:38 >> Who is the cheapest?

03:28:40 >> Out of the two? It's just by a hair. Rafael Montalvo.

03:28:40 >> CHARLIE MIRANDA:
What's the cost on this?

03:28:48 >> Rafael was strategic planning workshop proposal, FCR

Consensus Center estimates 3,675.

And Mel Girardeau with the process initiative developed by

the Profitable Group -- I have it highlighted here -- I

think it was 4500.

And I can remind council when we were having the budget

discussions and approving the budget, I had requested a line

item for the ability to have this discussion, and also a

part-time person allocation of salary.

So we have funds available to council through the budget

action we took to that effect.




03:29:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Just for purposes of being complete on

that, those two that you heard the price on was not the

cheapest of the proposed price.

The third person was lower than that.

03:30:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm sorry, the third person was lower,

like 1,000 dollars.

But in comparison, I mean, I was speaking between the two

that I thought had prepared the most well thought-out

proposal, Mr. Montalvo was less expensive than the

Profitable Group.

The other proposal at $1,000, I think, wouldn't go to the

depth and have the discussion that we need to have with so

many as we heard this morning with the audit discussion

subjects that we need to have.

03:30:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
If I can, my understanding was this was a

preliminary discussion, and it wasn't set for the entire

day.

It was only set till lunch time, my understanding.

That's what I communicated to them.

So I just wanted that clear, that each of them who I spoke

with also understood or expressed to me that these are very

severe time constraints, and they view this as a preliminary

process to be able to start your process going, that you

cannot have expectations to accomplish what normally each of

them had told me can take one or two days.




But just so that council doesn't have --

03:31:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
When I read the summation, the

profitable group, over discussions that they had in Plant

City, they asked for the comments from the participants,

both the good and the bad were in the report.

And some of the comments on what they did not like about the

workshop that they held was that they were too short, it

felt rushed, and they wished they had a second day, or a

third day, because I think their process was two days.

So that's why both of them had their proposals a lot of

upfront work where interviews and questionnaires would be

completed before that half day session, so that we can

maximize that half day.

03:32:24 >>FRANK REDDICK:
This is on the 28th.

Where will it be at, here?

03:32:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
That has not been determined.

You can have it here as a workshop.

You can have it downstairs next to the Mascotte room.

We could see if we could arrange to have it off-site.

03:32:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I think the room next to the Mascotte --

03:32:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Where were we going to have the other one?

03:32:50 >> Media construction services.

So that would be an option.

03:32:52 >> I would go ahead and be supportive of the less expensive

of the two options that Ms. Montelione was referencing.




And depending on how everyone else feels, I will be happy to

make a motion to suggest using that.

Mr. Montalvo.

03:33:19 >> second.

03:33:22 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Cohen.

Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

Further discussion on that motion?

All in favor of the motion say yay.

Opposed?

All right.

03:33:32 >> CLERK:
[Off microphone.]

03:33:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
The "no" guy.

Don't give no money away unless we have to.

03:33:52 >>FRANK REDDICK:
And this is on the 28th.

And this starts at what time?

03:33:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Well, council, if you look at your

calendar, you begin at 9:00.

But on that date is the commendation for the Officer of the

Month.

So you can take care of that, and you can recess and

reconvene downstairs at the room next -- what is that room

referred to?

03:34:16 >> [Off microphone.]

03:34:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
The Sister City's room?

The one located next to the Mascotte room.




So whatever time, if you can be done by 9:20.

If you want to set it for three hours from 9:30 to 12:30 you

have a full three hours for that purpose.

If that's your intention.

That could be in the form of a motion.

Because right now, the location is assumed to be in these

chambers unless you do it downstairs.

03:34:52 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Before you do that, is this open to the

public?

03:34:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
It is.

It is a publicly noticed meeting.

03:35:00 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

What will happen if we get 10 or 15 people that wish to come

in and observe that?

03:35:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I believe they can be accommodated.

I believe they can.

03:35:14 >>FRANK REDDICK:
That's what I am saying.

03:35:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Actually, I think for a facilitated

discussion, it wouldn't work.

The flow would not be the same with us being here behind the

dais with a facilitator sitting at tables in a more informal

setting.

In a, I mean seriously.

There is a difference in the setting, in the atmosphere.

And I would say I have an event with the Russian delegation




of business women in that room.

And I probably had 25 people in that room very comfortably.

And thank you, Ms. KNOLLS for making that happen.

03:36:07 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

We have got the date.

03:36:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Set the workshop at 9:30 a.m. in the

city's room January 28th.

9:30 to 12:30 discussion.

03:36:22 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We have a motion from Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

Any further discussion on the motion?

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

All right.

And then when 12:30 we break from lunch and then come back

for council session in that room.

03:36:40 >> We have an evening session.

03:36:45 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right, an evening meeting.

Anything else to discuss?

03:36:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Not are from me sir.

03:36:51 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Information reports.

Mrs. Montelione.

Anything?

03:36:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I do.

I would like to ask council for a commendation on January




7th at 9 a.m., N'Jhari Jackson, a young man who has gone

above and beyond to raise money to prepare for children who

are suffering with illnesses or other troubling situations.

So it would be nice to have him receive the commendation

here.

03:37:29 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Seconded by Mr. Maniscalco.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed?

Okay.

03:37:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I would also like to ask council to have

Mr. Brad Baird appear to discuss the issue of Morris bridge

sink.

There is a bit of controversy about pumping water from the

Morris bridge sink.

The city of Temple Terrace, the Hillsborough River board,

and I'm not sure who else, has already voted to send letters

to the SWFWMD, who is about to issue that permit in

conjunction with DEP.

I would like to have Mr. Sid Flannery come, who is a retired

SWFWMD employee, to speak of the alternatives and whether or

not this permit was being required.

The EPC has asked SWFWMD and DEP for an extension because

there was supposed to be a vote to issue the permit, but

they are asking for an extension.

So hopefully we can get them in very, very soon on the




calendar so that the vote is not taken until we had a chance

to weigh in as the city.

03:38:52 >> Mr. Baird will already be here on January 7th just so

you know.

03:38:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So January 7th, Brad Baird from the

city, and then we'll reach out to Mr. Flannery.

03:39:03 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I have a motion from Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Suarez.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

03:39:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
One last thing.

The discussion this morning about Florida statute 288.1166

regarding homeless shelters at sporting arenas, I would like

to ask the legal department to examine that statute and

offer us guidance on whether or not that applies to the

sporting arenas that are located within the city limits of

the City of Tampa, and the next steps that we can take if it

does.

February 4th at 9 a.m. under staff reports.

03:39:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I may be wrong but I think it's only those

sports facilities that have received state dollars -- I'm

not positive of that.

03:39:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
It appears that way but I would like to

have that question asked and answered by the legal

department.




03:40:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

Seconded by Mr. Cohen.

All those in favor of the motion?

Opposed?

Okay.

Anything else?

03:40:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Finally, this is our last meeting before

the holidays, and the dawn of the new year.

So I would like to wish everyone here on council, Ms. Capin

who is not here today, or this afternoon, a very happy and

healthy Christmas and new year, and looking forward to it

being a quiet and safe one.

So thank you all.

And I look forward to seeing you in January.

03:40:53 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Mr. Maniscalco.

03:40:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I just want to wish everybody a Merry

Christmas and happy holiday.

And as we close this year with our last meeting today, which

includes me being here for about eight months, I just want

to wish everybody a happy holiday, Merry Christmas, and say

that it has been an honor and privilege to serve alongside

you.

And I wish all of you a very healthy and very happy new year

and I look forward to continuing to serve with you in 2016.




03:41:29 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Cohen.

03:41:30 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Oh, he has one other item.

03:41:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I want to present a commendation to

State Vacuum on Kennedy Boulevard as they celebrate their

75th anniversary in business.

They are a great long-time Tampa business.

To present that commendation, I believe we have third week

in January.

If we could do it on January 21st, 9 a.m.

03:42:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.

Seconded by Mrs. Montelione.

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

Have them give us some samples when they come.

(Laughter)

03:42:22 >> Vacuum?

03:42:23 >> Make sure it's not over $100.

I have just one item of new business.

And this is from Councilwoman Capin who had asked that we

make a motion to present a commendation to Michel Delano in

his achieving Eagle Scout and that this commendation be

presented on February 11th at his Court of Honor

ceremony.

03:42:43 >> Second.




03:42:44 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Seconded by Mr. Suarez.

All those in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

03:42:48 >>HARRY COHEN:
Also, I just want to echo the sentiments of

the others and wish everyone a very happy and healthy

holiday and let you all know that I also look forward to

seeing you again in January.

03:43:01 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

Mr. Suarez.

03:43:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have one motion.

I would like to a motion, set an adoption public hearing for

comprehensive plan amendment TA/CPA-15-12 for January 14,

2016, commencing at 5:30 p.m.

03:43:26 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Suarez.

Seconded by Mr. Miranda.

All in favor of the motion?

Opposed?

03:43:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And I just want to point out that Mr.

Maniscalco wished everyone a happy holiday season, a good

Christmas.

You do get to come back.

This is unfortunately the last December meeting that we are

having with our colleague Ms. Montelione.

So she'll be here for most of the year but not the whole

thing.




And just the last time you will be able to be say Merry

Christmas to everyone on CTTV.

And you never know, you might be saying it from the back

benches of the legislature.

They may take the microphone away from you immediately.

03:44:07 >>HARRY COHEN:
If they will allow it, you will do it.

03:44:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, chair.

Merry Christmas all.

03:44:21 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Miranda.

03:44:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I make a motion for the American Legion

oratorical contest, evening session, February 11, 2016.

03:44:33 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Motion by Mr. Miranda.

Second by Mr. Suarez.

All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

03:44:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move to receive and file all the

documents.

03:44:41 >>HARRY COHEN:
Second.

03:44:43 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.

And one item, just --

03:44:47 >>THE CLERK:
You need to vote on the motion to receive it

now?

03:44:52 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All in favor of the motion say aye.

Opposed?

Okay.




Now let me just make an announcement that Pat Spencer, who

served as the secretary of the NAACP for many, many years,

and was an icon in the civil rights movement, passed away a

couple of days ago, and she was a mainstay at the NAACP and

many know her, and we were very disappointed to hear, and I

just wanted to mention that during this holiday time that

just a few days before Christmas.

This has been a long day, and I just want to just compliment

each member of this council today for this long agenda that

we have.

We got through it, and we got through it without challenging

each other.

And I just want to say, I thank you for your dedication and

patience this morning, so we can get through this.

And I just want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and

happy holiday and end of the year.

All right. We stand adjourned.

(Meeting adjourned.)





DISCLAIMER:

This file represents an unedited version of realtime
captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete
accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript.
The original of this file was produced in all capital
letters and any variation thereto may be a result of third
party edits and software compatibility issues.
Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the
proceedings may need to hire a court reporter.