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Thursday, May 26, 2016

9:00 a.m. Workshop Session



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[Sounding gavel]

09:06:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Tampa City Council is now called to order.

09:06:04 Chair yields to Lisa Montelione.

09:06:06 >> LISA MONTELIONE: (trying to speak with hoarse voice) I

09:06:20 would love to but (laughter) ...

09:06:20 >> Mr. Maniscalco, if you could take the honors for Mrs.

09:06:23 Montelione.

09:06:23 >> Today it is my distinct pleasure to introduce Reverend

09:06:32 Thorns, a Tampa native and a graduate of the University of

09:06:32 Florida. After completing her bachelors in education, she

09:06:35 went on to earn her masters of divinity from Southwestern

09:06:38 Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas.

09:06:41 She serves as the manager of chaplaincy at Moffitt Cancer

09:06:45 Center, a position she has held for the last ten years.




09:06:47 Thanks for joining us today, reverend Thorn.

09:06:50 If you would all please stand.

09:06:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What he said.

09:06:51 >> Thank you.

09:06:58 Proud to be here, Mr. Chair, Councilwoman Montelione, and

09:07:03 Councilman Maniscalco, for the honor.

09:07:09 What I would like to offer for you this morning, there's an

09:07:13 open eyes education.

09:07:15 Many of us have grown up in different faith groups where we

09:07:18 are taught that we should close our eyes, bow our heads, and

09:07:24 in so doing we sometimes miss the blessings of the people

09:07:27 around us.

09:07:28 So if you would like to bow your heads, you certainly may.

09:07:31 But if you would like to leave your eyes open to take in all

09:07:36 of those around you, the face of your colleagues, family,

09:07:40 friends, please feel free to do so.

09:07:42 We come this morning to bring honor to those of you who are

09:07:48 giving of your time to be our public servants.

09:07:55 The sun is higher in the sky than when we arose today.

09:07:59 Some of you were awake before the sun came up.

09:08:02 Getting ready for this day.

09:08:04 And as you prepare now for the work of the city, may you be

09:08:10 blessed with wisdom to make decisions, that you will be

09:08:17 presented with many wonderful, good ideas, and the challenge

09:08:22 to choose the best.




09:08:24 May you have the wisdom to do so and the foresight to choose

09:08:32 what is best for the City of Tampa.

09:08:36 Now, in the name

09:08:43 May you continue business knowing that what is best is what

09:08:48 will occur.

09:08:49 Some people will be upset.

09:08:51 Some will praise you.

09:08:52 But may this council leave today knowing it gave the best

09:08:59 and did your best job.

09:09:00 Amen.

09:09:01 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:09:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:09:24 First order of business today is our presentation,

09:09:27 commendation of the Officer of the Month.

09:09:31 I apologize.

09:09:32 Roll call, please.

09:09:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

09:09:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

09:09:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:09:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.

09:09:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

09:09:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

09:09:42 We are a little slow today.

09:09:45 Anyway, first order of business is the presentation of the

09:09:48 commendation of the Police Officer of the Month.




09:09:51 And Mr. Harry Cohen will be doing that in lieu of Mr.

09:09:54 Miranda's absence.

09:09:56 Mr. Cohen.

09:09:56 >>HARRY COHEN: God morning.

09:10:00 And good morning, council.

09:10:03 It's my pleasure this morning to present this commendation

09:10:08 to master patrol officer Roy Paz, Officer of the Month of

09:10:16 May 2016.

09:10:19 For your exemplary services to the citizens of the City of

09:10:22 Tampa and your stalwart commitment to their safety and

09:10:25 well-being we are grateful to you who every day serves as

09:10:30 our own live action hero, although you believe you are just

09:10:34 doing your job, and I believe assistant chief Dugan is going

09:10:38 to tell us about your accomplishments and formally present

09:10:40 the award.

09:10:41 >> Good morning.

09:10:46 Bryan Dugan, assistant chief of police.

09:10:50 Roy, if I could start off with a little bit of humor, this

09:10:53 might be a landmark occasion where Mrs. Montelione won't

09:10:56 have anything to say.

09:10:59 (Laughter).

09:11:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: (hoarse voice)

09:11:06 >> It's not nice.

09:11:08 They are all piling on.

09:11:10 (Laughter).




09:11:10 >> I'm sure this is the first of many this morning where

09:11:16 people have found that.

09:11:19 It's always a pleasure to come before council and discuss

09:11:21 one of Tampa's finest.

09:11:23 And truly the best and the brightest.

09:11:30 This month of May is officer Roy Paz.

09:11:38 In January 2015 he saw one of his career goals come to

09:11:42 fruition when he was selected to the unit.

09:11:44 Roy is one of our motorcycle cops.

09:11:48 He's the real deal.

09:11:55 Due to his traffic enforcement efforts Roy has made notable

09:11:59 arrest.

09:12:00 He conducted a traffic stop for a speeding violation at MLK

09:12:04 and Myrtle Avenue.

09:12:05 He found the driver was driving while his license was

09:12:08 suspended and revoked due to habitual traffic offender.

09:12:12 After taking the driver into custody, he did a subsequent

09:12:16 investigation and revealed a quantity of heroin in the

09:12:18 vehicle, resulted in the vehicle being seized and the driver

09:12:22 being charged with drug trafficking.

09:12:25 That offender is now being looked at as a suspect and is

09:12:29 involved in other trafficking narcotics offenses N.march

09:12:35 2016 while on Rome Avenue, Roy stopped a car traveling 17

09:12:39 miles an hour over the speed limit.

09:12:41 During the stop he noted a strong odor of marijuana coming




09:12:45 from the car.

09:12:46 This gave him probable cause to go in and look at the car.

09:12:49 He rotated over 100 grams of marijuana and 520 Xanax pills

09:12:56 that were consistent with recent bulletins on illicit Xanax

09:13:02 pill laced with pentonol.

09:13:07 Roy was able to contact the narcotics squad and follow up on

09:13:10 the investigation.

09:13:11 For those of you who ever had the opportunity to meet Roy,

09:13:14 he is quite the enthusiastic, quite the energetic guy.

09:13:17 If I had half his energy I would probably be the chief

09:13:20 instead of the assistant chief.

09:13:22 Due to his enthusiasm and the way he interacts with the

09:13:26 public Roy gives presentations at schools and community

09:13:31 organizations.

09:13:32 He is one of the lead presenters at the department's

09:13:34 responsibility matters campaign.

09:13:40 It covers underage drinking at Gasparilla.

09:13:43 You all know how important that is.

09:13:45 This program is created for enhancing the safety and the

09:13:48 events reducing the number of underage drinking incidents at

09:13:51 this parade.

09:13:52 In 2016 he gave over 15 presentations at the local schools.

09:13:57 He assisted at the department public relations safety

09:14:01 campaign, after a dramatic rise in traffic fatalities in

09:14:06 2015, embraced the campaign's message and made it his own.




09:14:10 His traffic tip Tuesday, which is a popular segment on fox

09:14:14 13, is a weekly segment during the morning news program, and

09:14:19 that preparation of each segment, each topic is addressed

09:14:23 thoroughly and easily understood.

09:14:27 In recognition of his contagious, positive attitude and his

09:14:30 preparedness to duty,'s of he's been selected as Officer of

09:14:34 the Month for May of 2016.

09:14:37 [ Applause ]

09:14:37 >> Good morning, council.

09:14:48 I have got a little bit of this, too.

09:14:51 I'm Vinny Gericitano, and with me is Abe Carmack.

09:15:04 I am very pleased that Roy is one of the almost 1,000 Tampa

09:15:09 police officers.

09:15:14 Roy, we want to thank you for doing a great job, and offer

09:15:19 you this watch that has the PBA patch on it.

09:15:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Hang on, Roy, it gets better.

09:15:38 You are going to get more.

09:15:39 >> Dan Matheson, chief of security for the Straz Center here

09:15:43 in Tampa.

09:15:44 On behalf of the Straz Center, I would like to present with

09:15:46 you two tickets to a Broadway production of jersey boy.

09:15:50 >> Joe Durkin on behalf of bright house networks.

09:16:08 It's really an honor and privilege for me to come and

09:16:11 recognize the firefighter or police officer, for me

09:16:13 especially.




09:16:14 I had the pleasure of working with Roy and several of his

09:16:18 colleagues during my career.

09:16:21 He's an outstanding representative of the police department.

09:16:24 On behalf of BrightHouse Network we would like to give you

09:16:29 one month free of all of our services.

09:16:31 >> I'm from the Doubletree Tampa Westshore.

09:16:44 On behalf of your dedication we would like to offer you a

09:16:47 complimentary night's stay on our properties.

09:16:53 Congratulations.

09:16:54 >> Bill Currie Ford.

09:17:06 If you get excited about everything else you are really

09:17:08 going to get excited about. This on behalf of the Currie

09:17:10 family and myself we would like to give you a brand new 2015

09:17:14 customized -- (Laughter).

09:17:21 >> That is very nice.

09:17:22 >> Thank you.

09:17:29 Great job.

09:17:30 >> Stepp's towing service.

09:17:34 Congratulations, officer, on a job well done.

09:17:37 On behalf of Stepp's towing and the Stepp's family we would

09:17:42 like to present you with a night in the limousine, and we

09:17:51 appreciate everything you do.

09:17:52 And thanks.

09:17:57 [ Applause ]

09:17:59 >> Good morning, council.




09:18:01 Jill Witecki on behalf of Tampa Theatre.

09:18:06 Your colleagues along the wall said they really like that.

09:18:10 I'm excited about my work at Tampa Theatre, and we would

09:18:13 love you to come down this summer, an annual membership for

09:18:17 you and a guest and a couple of tickets for our summer

09:18:20 classics.

09:18:21 >> On behalf of Busch Gardens, Tampa Bay, it's been my

09:18:31 privilege to know Roy for 20-plus years.

09:18:34 I want to tell a little story.

09:18:37 Even Wednesday we have a crime intelligence meeting which

09:18:40 can be rather intense.

09:18:41 And Roy used to come and give an update for their

09:18:45 organization or their bureau as well as the weather.

09:18:47 And I am going to say right now you have never been so

09:18:50 excited to listen to Roy's presentation of the weather.

09:18:54 It's incredible.

09:18:55 He is probably one of the most enthusiastic, passionate guys

09:19:00 you will ever meet.

09:19:01 On behalf of Busch Gardens I would like to present with you

09:19:03 four tickets to the park and it's always a pleasure, Roy.

09:19:09 Thank you.

09:19:10 >> Linda Hyde, office manager for a nonprofit organization

09:19:17 for diversity initiative.

09:19:18 And we would like to tell you thank you very much for

09:19:21 everything that you do for the City of Tampa and our




09:19:23 community.

09:19:23 And on behalf of the diversity initiative we would like to

09:19:28 present with you a $50 gift card from Publix.

09:19:31 Thank you so much.

09:19:36 [ Applause ]

09:19:37 >> My name is Jeff, PR marketing manager for the Columbia

09:19:42 restaurant group.

09:19:43 I want to congratulate you very much on this honor.

09:19:45 On behalf of Richard Gonzmart and the restaurants which

09:19:49 include all of our Columbia restaurants in Sarasota, Tampa,

09:19:54 celebration, St. Augustine, Clearwater, as well as Hyde Park

09:20:00 village and also Ulele, we would like to present with you a

09:20:04 $100 gift card to the Columbia restaurant, and take that

09:20:08 with your model car and everything else.

09:20:10 Thank you for keeping my family safe on the roads.

09:20:14 Thank you very much.

09:20:16 [ Applause ]

09:20:16 >> Island flowers in Ybor City.

09:20:25 And this is not for you, not for your motorbike but for your

09:20:31 significant other.

09:20:31 >> Thank you.

09:20:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I know this guy, too, and it's not being

09:20:45 from stopped on the street.

09:20:46 I have a little brief introduction I would like to give.

09:20:49 And this is really an honor of all of those who served in




09:20:53 the Armed Forces and public safety.

09:20:56 And the father said, life is precious to me.

09:20:58 Guard it and protect it for me and for each other.

09:21:01 And thank and remember those who lay down their lives and

09:21:05 protect our precious gift of life for all of us.

09:21:08 And remember all those on Memorial Day, those men and women

09:21:13 who have given their lives in the line of service and the

09:21:17 Armed Forces and public safety and all others who serve and

09:21:21 protect.

09:21:23 You are in that group there.

09:21:25 On behalf of prestige portrait, we will provide you and your

09:21:28 family with an opportunity to have your portrait taken.

09:21:35 On behalf of the Ciccis group.

09:21:44 On behalf of Byblos cafe, have a nice dinner over there.

09:21:49 Take the limo.

09:21:50 >> I heard of Officer of the Month.

09:22:10 I had no idea.

09:22:11 Thanks so much for allowing me to be here and for taking

09:22:14 time out of your day to honor the police department as

09:22:16 officers.

09:22:17 And I can't thank you enough for that.

09:22:19 And everyone here, thank you so much.

09:22:22 I mean it.

09:22:24 It's very nice of you all to take time out of your day, and

09:22:30 the gifts, it's great.




09:22:31 Thanks very, very much.

09:22:32 Thank you all for being here, also.

09:22:35 (Laughter)

09:22:36 I tell you, I can't say enough about the police department.

09:22:41 It is a job.

09:22:42 I love it.

09:22:43 And my squad is like the best squad ever.

09:22:48 It is just so much fun every day to come to work and do the

09:22:52 things that we do and everything.

09:22:54 And my supervisors are fantastic.

09:22:56 I could go on and on.

09:22:58 But I just can't thank you all enough for everything.

09:23:00 And what ab nice day!

09:23:04 Thank you very much.

09:23:06 [ Applause ]

09:23:11 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you for everything you do and thank

09:23:13 you for making this day memorable.

09:23:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to suggest you come in once a

09:23:20 month and pep talk us.

09:23:22 We could use it.

09:23:23 Thank you.

09:23:24 (Laughter)

09:23:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen, you are going to do item number

09:23:36 2.

09:23:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.




09:23:38 Good morning.

09:23:38 Mr. Michelini mentioned, of course, we are on the eve of

09:23:42 Memorial Day weekend so it is very fitting that we present

09:23:44 this commendation this morning to Leonard black.

09:23:52 I should tell everyone, Mr. Suarez, I appreciate the

09:23:55 opportunity to give you this commendation.

09:23:58 I am the grandson of a World War II veteran.

09:24:00 So I am particularly aware and moved by the contributions of

09:24:06 the greatest generation, and want to thank you personally

09:24:10 for your service to our country, and then also on behalf of

09:24:13 the City Council.

09:24:16 We are proud to honor you this morning, Leonard black, and

09:24:21 to honor World War II veteran and flight of west central

09:24:26 Florida co-founder.

09:24:28 You are an American hero that has served the United States

09:24:30 military for more than 25 years, defending the country

09:24:34 during World War II.

09:24:35 Three years ago you decided to give back to your fellow

09:24:38 veterans and co-founded honor flight of west central

09:24:41 Florida, a nonprofit that serves a nine county region with

09:24:46 the sole purpose of taking World War II veterans to the

09:24:49 World War II memorial in washed free of charge.

09:24:53 Since its inception over 2,000 veterans have been recipients

09:24:57 of this service, and through your collaborative efforts you

09:25:01 continue to inspire and volunteer on their fundraising




09:25:05 efforts and all their activities, and we really appreciate

09:25:08 everything you have done for our community and our country.

09:25:10 >> Thank you, sir.

09:25:13 [ Applause ]

09:25:19 Thank you, Councilman.

09:25:21 And thank you, Mike, for taking a lead role in it.

09:25:27 I did nothing except I wanted to -- let me start over.

09:25:35 In 2007, in Greenville, South Carolina, and he was telling

09:25:41 me about it.

09:25:42 And when I came back to Tampa, I was the president of the

09:25:45 Hillsborough County veterans council.

09:25:47 And as my term was ending up, I start while I was doing it,

09:25:54 I got a call from a colonel over in Pinellas County, Fred

09:26:00 Olson, and he was doing the same thing.

09:26:02 I invited him to come over, and we got together, and the

09:26:06 result, we had the southwest central Florida, we had at that

09:26:12 time 38,000 World War II veterans in the nine-county area

09:26:19 wanting to go see the World War II memorial.

09:26:21 I went up on the fourth flight in 2011, and one of the

09:26:27 things I observed most about the World War II veterans when

09:26:33 they got there, as you go around, on the south side is panel

09:26:38 with 440 stars representing -- each star represented a

09:26:47 thousand that got killed during World War 2.

09:26:50 The 440,000 it represented, you see these veterans go there,

09:26:56 and you watch their eyes, and it's a little bit too much for




09:27:01 some of them.

09:27:02 Now these veterans -- most of them require assistance, in a

09:27:08 wheelchair or whatever.

09:27:10 But we provided a guardian for each veteran, whether they

09:27:15 wanted them or not, but each one had a guardian to take care

09:27:20 of them that day.

09:27:21 And when they came back, we had a welcome home set-up, and

09:27:29 that's where they never had a welcome home.

09:27:34 A lot of World War II did, but the majority of them did not.

09:27:41 But New York or a parade in California, but the majority of

09:27:47 World War II veterans at that time did not receive anything

09:27:50 up until they went on their own flight.

09:27:55 As you mentioned, Memorial Day is coming up.

09:28:00 There's a couple things I would like toe share with you.

09:28:03 I spent 15 years in Europe and I visit add lot of the

09:28:07 cemeteries over there.

09:28:09 There is a cemetery in Holland, where there's a family

09:28:14 located nearby takes care of each grave there.

09:28:17 In other words, they adopt a grave and make sure that they

09:28:21 have flowers or whatever on it during certain periods when

09:28:25 it's required.

09:28:27 Another one in Luxembourg, that's where the general is

09:28:34 buried.

09:28:34 He wanted to be buried with General Patton.

09:28:37 He never came home to receive a heros welcome bull he stayed




09:28:41 there and he's buried with his troops in Luxembourg.

09:28:46 The other one that I want to mention is Normandy.

09:28:50 There's a little over 9,000 buried there, and they got

09:28:55 killed on the first day of the invasion in June of 1944.

09:29:02 The reason I mention that one, after the war, they had to

09:29:10 prepare -- get ready to bury the veterans there.

09:29:14 And you know who prepared the grave, the laborers were all

09:29:23 German POWs.

09:29:25 Now, some of those German POWs could have been there on

09:29:30 D-Day.

09:29:31 In fact they did all the labor work for it.

09:29:34 And a lot of people doesn't know that, but it happened.

09:29:38 But again, I want to thank you for this.

09:29:42 It's more than I deserve.

09:29:44 But I appreciate you.

09:29:46 Thank you very much.

09:29:48 [ Applause ]

09:29:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Black.

09:29:54 We really appreciate your service to the country.

09:29:56 I was fortunate enough to be at the World War II memorial on

09:30:02 Memorial Day the day it opened, and the number of men that

09:30:07 came back to visit it is amazing.

09:30:09 We really appreciate -- and let me make sure I get the age

09:30:13 right.

09:30:13 You are 89, is that correct?




09:30:14 >> Yes.

09:30:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You are a Sprite 89.

09:30:17 Believe me.

09:30:18 He came to our office by himself the other day, still an

09:30:21 independent liver.

09:30:23 We really appreciate everything you have done for us.

09:30:25 Thank you for doing honor flight west central Florida.

09:30:28 It's a great accomplishment and we really appreciate

09:30:30 everything you have done for us.

09:30:34 Thank you, sir.

09:30:35 Thank you.

09:30:36 Yes, ma'am.

09:30:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Likewise, I would like to thank you for

09:30:40 those words, chairman.

09:30:42 We are wearing the red POPPY today, as you well know, and I

09:30:46 have one for you if you don't have one yet so that you can

09:30:49 wear the red POPPY which is the world war -- the American

09:30:53 Legion Auxiliary to commemorate the memorial, remember them.

09:31:00 And I want to remind my chairman that 89 is the new 59.

09:31:06 (Laughter).

09:31:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm glad you said that because I am 52.

09:31:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yeah, me, too.

09:31:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Anyone else?

09:31:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: You are a member of what is known as

09:31:21 the greatest generation, and I truly believe that.




09:31:24 And you are the generation that easily inspires me the most.

09:31:28 And growing up, anybody old was a World War II vet and as a

09:31:36 teenager I was always asking questions and hearing stories

09:31:38 and talking to folks that served, and as I have gotten

09:31:41 older, and time is passing, there's fewer and fewer.

09:31:45 I had the opportunity to meet a World War II veteran, it's

09:31:48 truly an honor and a treat is very special.

09:31:51 So thank you for everything you do.

09:31:53 There will never be another generation like yours.

09:31:57 And, you know, you are irreplaceable.

09:32:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Black.

09:32:05 We really appreciate it.

09:32:06 [ Applause ]

09:32:07 The next item up is a presentation.

09:32:12 I believe Laurie Seavey, please come to the podium.

09:32:18 >> Good morning.

09:32:24 Thank you, council, chairman, for allowing me to be here

09:32:26 today.

09:32:26 My name is Laurie Seavey from make big change.

09:32:30 We are a nonprofit based out of New Hampshire.

09:32:33 I have a home here in North Port, Florida.

09:32:37 And this is Kim.

09:32:43 Kim and I met last October, November.

09:32:45 And she heard about our nonprofit and saw the work that we

09:32:49 were doing and wanted to bring sunscreen and provide a safe




09:32:55 city, fun city for the City of Tampa.

09:32:57 I had a PowerPoint presentation.

09:33:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It's coming up right now.

09:33:01 >> Perfect.

09:33:04 I'm here today actually for the citizens of Tampa, and to

09:33:07 also engage with you all, part of a nationwide movement,

09:33:11 which is a community sunscreen program.

09:33:16 We are working with the parks and recs, and we have been in

09:33:20 conversations with Gary Daniel, who I believe is the

09:33:24 commissioner, and we have been talking about the last six

09:33:30 months about bringing sunscreen dispensers to the city.

09:33:35 So make big change was formed on the heels of the general

09:33:40 surgeon's call for action in 2014.

09:33:42 Although the occurrences of skin cancer have been on the

09:33:45 rise for years, the disease largely existed as a skeleton in

09:33:50 the closet until the release of the surgeon general's call

09:33:53 to action.

09:33:55 The fact that skin cancer is now the number one most

09:33:59 commonly diagnosed form of cancer with 5 million people

09:34:03 treated annually in the U.S. alone.

09:34:05 One major fact in the surgeon general's report is that skin

09:34:09 cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer in the United

09:34:13 States and it's also the most preventable.

09:34:17 And that really rang a big bell for us at make big change,

09:34:22 not only with our nonprofit, but we are on the cutting edge.




09:34:25 I work as a project manager with some dermatology practice

09:34:29 in New Hampshire.

09:34:30 I have been the manager for ten years with people coming in

09:34:33 younger and younger with squamous cell, basal cell, and

09:34:38 really, really bad melanomas, and to hear they may be

09:34:42 preventable we thought we need to have do something.

09:34:44 So with the impetus behind make big change we must act now,

09:34:49 without adequate support, education and prevention, the

09:34:52 destruction caused by this disease will don't skyrocket.

09:34:56 In the surgeon general's call to action, various sectors

09:35:04 across the nation to address cancer as a major public health

09:35:07 problem.

09:35:07 Federal, state and local government members, businesses,

09:35:11 health care and education sectors are all a central part of

09:35:15 coming together and educating on sun safety and the calls to

09:35:21 action and reduce the risks.

09:35:23 The call to action goals include increasing opportunity for

09:35:28 protections in outdoor settings which would include

09:35:31 providing sunscreen to readily available, you know, that

09:35:36 have left the house, want to be at the baseball field, not

09:35:42 to forget their sunscreen.

09:35:43 Kim is working with the academy of dermatology on sun safe

09:35:47 structures to provide structures, not only for the kids but

09:35:50 for the parents that sit there and bake in the sun.

09:35:56 Also, the call to action is to provide individuals with




09:36:00 information that they need to make healthy choices about UV

09:36:04 exposure, how to properly use sunscreen.

09:36:08 We hear in our dermatology practice every day.

09:36:10 "I don't sunburn, I tan."

09:36:12 Well, there's no such thing as a healthy tan.

09:36:15 You all need sunscreen.

09:36:21 House bill 136 in New Hampshire, children in need in the

09:36:29 state of New Hampshire, under the age of 18.

09:36:31 So we were very instrumental in helping that law pass.

09:36:42 The CDC came out with some statistics that I wanted to share

09:36:46 with you as well.

09:36:48 Right after the call to action.

09:36:50 The CDC, they do a vital signs report.

09:36:56 In the June 2015 report the rate of skin cancer among

09:37:00 American adults has tripled in 30 years despite the fact

09:37:03 that skin cancer is the most easily preventable cancer.

09:37:06 Melanoma is the most deadly form of skin cancer and the

09:37:09 fifth most common cancer diagnosed in the United States.

09:37:12 And just one blistering sunburn as a child doubles a

09:37:17 person's lifetime risk of melanoma.

09:37:20 In 2011, Americans spent approximately $457 million on skin

09:37:27 cancer programs, and by 2013 that number is expected to

09:37:31 triple.

09:37:31 So not only are the incidents rising but we are spending

09:37:34 more health care dollars.




09:37:36 So community action programs are really, really important.

09:37:38 So what I am here today is to talk a little about what we

09:37:42 can do, what the City of Tampa can do, what makes big

09:37:45 changes like to do to help you in the city is to provide

09:37:51 sunscreen, to provide -- make a change is willing to donate

09:38:00 20 of these sunscreen units. This was piloted in the city

09:38:03 of Boston.

09:38:04 And just members like yourself.

09:38:13 Irish, red-headed Ginger, was talking to one of his friends,

09:38:18 who was a medical student, we need sunscreen dispensers in

09:38:23 the city.

09:38:23 I thought, wow, that's a really good idea.

09:38:26 And he tweeted it.

09:38:27 The melanoma foundation, make big change, we were right on

09:38:32 it, got 100 calls that day, had a meeting, met with the

09:38:36 commissioner.

09:38:36 It was the quickest program that we rolled out in the city

09:38:39 of Boston.

09:38:40 It was very successful.

09:38:41 We had a few bumps along the way.

09:38:45 We use an all natural SPV sunscreen.

09:38:52 We thought it's very, very important that that was the only

09:38:56 sunscreen that would go into these dispensers.

09:38:59 So it took a few formulas to make sure we got the right

09:39:03 concoction so the machines would not collapse.




09:39:07 So we had a roll-out.

09:39:08 We had a few bumps and bruises along the way but we are now

09:39:12 certainly over those.

09:39:13 And there are actually 250 units now in the city of Boston.

09:39:18 There's units throughout the country.

09:39:22 There are beaches, campuses, a few in some of the city

09:39:28 garages for the maintenance men that are on the streets,

09:39:35 just donated to the city of Boston.

09:39:42 To the gentleman that just got the award, to the policemen.

09:39:45 They are out there doing their jobs.

09:39:47 I wanted to present this here today and get some feedback as

09:39:52 to what your thoughts may be.

09:39:53 We would love to bring this to the City of Tampa, and help

09:39:59 roll this out.

09:40:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mrs. Seavey.

09:40:04 >>HARRY COHEN: So Jim Mcgans actually brought this idea

09:40:10 here to me at City Hall.

09:40:12 And I thought it was really brilliant.

09:40:15 And one of the great examples of how a creative solution can

09:40:20 actually not even cost the city any money and provide a huge

09:40:24 service.

09:40:25 And we all nobody how hot it gets particularly during the

09:40:28 summer.

09:40:28 So my question to you is, have you had any contact?

09:40:35 >> Yes, we have been working with Teresa Hills.




09:40:38 It's my understanding they were putting this as a line item

09:40:40 in the budget.

09:40:42 We can put these out there but they need to be filled in

09:40:45 order for them to be working.

09:40:47 How they are filled actually the bladder of sunscreen that

09:40:52 goes into the units, 1,000 ml, 650 applications.

09:40:55 So these units are very durable.

09:41:00 They have a lock and key right here.

09:41:05 We are going to show you what they look like.

09:41:16 If it has been approved in the budget, I'm not sure when

09:41:18 that decision is made, but this is going to be inside of the

09:41:21 unit.

09:41:21 I wanted everybody to take a look at it.

09:41:24 The battery is noncorrosive.

09:41:26 It's motor, heat and cold resistant.

09:41:29 We have these at some of for N in New Hampshire.

09:41:37 They are very sanitary.

09:41:39 And they have working like -- I had one here at my home,

09:41:44 been outside, at our pool has been outside about nine months

09:41:50 and is working wonderful.

09:41:51 >>HARRY COHEN: I would like to make a motion.

09:41:53 You asked about our calendar.

09:41:55 We deal with the budget later in the summer.

09:41:57 So I was going to ask that the Parks Department, Mr. Bayor,

09:42:02 under staff reports come to City Council on July 14th.




09:42:05 That's prior to when the budget is presented and give us a

09:42:08 status update on how they are coming along in trying to

09:42:12 implement this program.

09:42:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.

09:42:15 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

09:42:17 All in favor that motion?

09:42:20 Any opposed?

09:42:20 Thank you.

09:42:22 If I could ask a question before you go.

09:42:25 You have not put any of these in Florida anywhere, correct?

09:42:29 Or have you?

09:42:32 >> Kim: We currently put one at a park but it's -- it's on

09:42:40 the property.

09:42:42 >> And these are at some of the universities in Florida, and

09:42:47 I believe -- they are not in any city.

09:42:50 Tampa would be the second city.

09:42:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It's a partnership with the melanoma

09:42:58 foundation of Florida?

09:42:59 >> No, the partnership with make big change.

09:43:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Have you reached out to the melanoma

09:43:04 foundation here?

09:43:05 >> I have not.

09:43:06 The melanoma foundations, certainly we could, but we kind of

09:43:11 have been working together, and certainly open to any other

09:43:14 options.




09:43:21 I see him looking at me.

09:43:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: He does that to everybody.

09:43:25 (Laughter).

09:43:25 >> We are insured.

09:43:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions?

09:43:37 Mr. Reddick.

09:43:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: Do you have to be regulated by FDA?

09:43:42 >> Yes, the sunscreen is a formulated, patented, so we are

09:43:54 all set.

09:43:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Do we have an idea of the cost?

09:43:59 >> Sure.

09:44:00 These units themselves are 69.99, $70 for the unit.

09:44:06 Big changes, we are willing to donate that.

09:44:08 The sunscreen comes in a case of four.

09:44:12 So that's $200.

09:44:15 I would assume that throughout the season in Tampa that it

09:44:18 would be approximately 400 to $600 to maintain a unit.

09:44:24 I really think that's on the high side, thinking

09:44:27 conservative.

09:44:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: 400 to $600?

09:44:32 >> 200 for a case of sunscreen.

09:44:35 And I anticipate a unit, probably units in the cities in

09:44:38 Florida, approximately two cases of sunscreen.

09:44:44 >> Per year, per unit?

09:44:46 >> Per year.




09:44:47 >>HARRY COHEN: You may have noticed on the front of the

09:44:50 unit that there is a spot for an advertisement.

09:44:54 And there are models that would see someone putting an ad

09:45:00 there and then paying the cost.

09:45:02 >> Right.

09:45:03 We have worked with multiple hospitals that will sponsor 10

09:45:08 or 16 throughout their city.

09:45:10 This area here is customizable.

09:45:12 And we are also working on an info graphic that we can put

09:45:16 on top here that is also another advertising area.

09:45:19 And then utilizing how to use sunscreen so that we bridge

09:45:23 any language barriers that we may have within any city, and

09:45:27 talk about the proper use of sunscreen, how it should be

09:45:30 applied every two hours, you apply it after swimming,

09:45:35 additional advertising space.

09:45:39 An info graphic, in today's society, instant gratification.

09:45:44 We it would be something like somebody showing how you put

09:45:49 sunscreen on, and two hands, two pumps.

09:45:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.

09:45:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Montelione is scribbling a bunch

09:46:02 of notes, and also that the same dispensers could be

09:46:06 utilized for dog parks.

09:46:09 >> Yes.

09:46:10 That's an interesting suggestion.

09:46:11 Tomorrow is what we call national don't FRY day.




09:46:16 It is the beginning of the summer season.

09:46:18 And recognition that we need to take care of our skin.

09:46:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions or comments?

09:46:26 Is this going to be your first summer in Florida?

09:46:28 >> No.

09:46:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I want to make sure that you are acclimated

09:46:33 to it.

09:46:34 When you are from New England it is hard for people to

09:46:37 understand.

09:46:37 >> Oh, yes.

09:46:39 Laying in the sun.

09:46:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you for the presentation.

09:46:42 It's wonderful.

09:46:42 And Mr. Cohen suggested we are going to have staff look at

09:46:46 it and see what that cost is and hopefully we can work

09:46:48 something out.

09:46:49 >> Great.

09:46:50 Thank you so much.

09:46:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before I proceed, I have a memo here from

09:46:57 Mr. Miranda's office, he will not be able to attend this

09:47:00 session or the evening session tonight because of a

09:47:06 regularly scheduled out-of-town business meeting.

09:47:10 Now up on the public comments for items number 1, 2 and 3.

09:47:14 Anyone in the public that would like to make comment

09:47:17 concerning items 1, the 2 and 3, please come forward.




09:47:20 >> I want to make a comment.

09:47:34 >> State your name for the record, sir.

09:47:36 John green, Brandon, Florida.

09:47:42 I want to make a comment -- April 7th.

09:47:51 Am I will allowed to speak on that now?

09:47:54 >> Typically no.

09:47:55 We are running our meeting based on items that are already

09:47:58 on the agenda that we just talked about.

09:47:59 We have a workshop session that we will have public comment

09:48:01 after each workshop session to talk about those issues.

09:48:04 If you are just coming here for general discussion on other

09:48:08 issues, you probably do that at the end during regular

09:48:13 general comment.

09:48:13 I don't think we usually do it during workshop.

09:48:16 It's not an open forum necessarily for any item during a

09:48:19 workshop session.

09:48:20 >> When is the charter?

09:48:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That will be item, I believe, number 4.

09:48:31 I think we have some things on number 5.

09:48:33 So there are going to be several different things that we

09:48:35 are going to talk about on the charter that you can comment

09:48:37 after we finish that particular item.

09:48:39 >> Okay.

09:48:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Green.

09:48:42 We appreciate it.




09:48:43 Is there anyone else in the public that would like to make

09:48:45 comments on items 1, 2 and 3?

09:48:48 All right.

09:48:48 I see no one.

09:48:50 That wants to make any public comment at this time.

09:48:52 Okay.

09:48:53 We are going to go forward.

09:48:54 Item number 4.

09:48:56 Is staff here?

09:48:58 Mr. Shelby is going to handle that.

09:49:06 Thank you, sir.

09:49:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: City Council attorney.

09:49:21 I am passing out to you something that I had previously sent

09:49:24 out.

09:49:27 It is a compilation of excerpts from your strategic planning

09:49:30 workshop.

09:49:31 And prepared by the facilitator, the facilitator summary

09:49:38 report.

09:49:39 Basically, if you will recall, there was no official action

09:49:43 taken at that workshop, and if council wishes to proceed

09:49:48 with any of the items that were discussed, it would require

09:49:51 a motion and direction of council.

09:49:53 Obviously, there are certain things that are on today's

09:49:55 agenda that did come out of that discussion.

09:49:59 Number 5, for instance.




09:50:00 Number 6 to follow.

09:50:02 Those were done by motion of council.

09:50:04 But I just wanted, as a process of completion and/or moving

09:50:12 forward with a discussion to provide for you those decision

09:50:14 points or matters that were discussed so that council

09:50:18 should, if it wishes to, give direction to either myself or

09:50:22 to the legal department, to the administration for

09:50:25 information to put on a future agenda how it wishes to

09:50:28 proceed with certain things.

09:50:29 Obviously some of these things are housekeeping items that

09:50:32 council can deal with internally.

09:50:35 If it's council's purview however council wishes to proceed

09:50:39 on this.

09:50:40 I am prepared specifically to discuss the matter of the

09:50:42 charter review committee or commission, whatever council

09:50:47 wishes to call it, perhaps at some point after you wish to

09:50:54 go through this or however you wish to proceed.

09:50:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Reddick.

09:50:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thanks, chair.

09:51:00 I am going to suggest that we -- item number 4 and we

09:51:10 discuss the establishment of the charter review board.

09:51:13 And I believe when we had the strategic meeting we suggested

09:51:18 that it was brought out through my suggestion that we

09:51:25 establish ab nine-member board.

09:51:28 And I suggest that each member of the council submit one




09:51:31 person, and the mayor appoint two.

09:51:36 And I want to take it one step further from this council,

09:51:41 that we probably want to have maybe two alternates to serve,

09:51:46 just in case somebody backs out or can't make it.

09:51:52 And I think that's a fair position, because instead of

09:51:59 trying to be go through it before, and I think this is a

09:52:08 good time -- there's a lot of things we discussed at the

09:52:12 strategic meeting, and I have a whole list of them here,

09:52:15 that we can direct the charter review board to look at some

09:52:20 of these things.

09:52:21 And I don't think we need a big board, probably won't be a

09:52:30 lot of people show up, but I do believe we can get a nine

09:52:34 member board, one by each council, two by the mayor.

09:52:40 But that would be my suggestion.

09:52:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen.

09:52:44 >>HARRY COHEN: So certainly consistent with what we talked

09:52:49 about at the strategic planning session.

09:52:51 What, Mr. Shelby, would the calendar look like for this type

09:52:55 of activity?

09:52:59 How much time would it take to take it up?

09:53:01 How much time would they need?

09:53:03 What would happen to their recommendations once they were

09:53:05 made?

09:53:07 Could you take us through the way that this would work over,

09:53:12 say, the next 12 or 16 months?




09:53:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Sure.

09:53:15 That's a very good question, and that's why I am hopeful

09:53:18 that we'll have that clarified today, because that's

09:53:22 basically what I need to know in order to put together the

09:53:25 documents, the resolution of creating -- now, the first

09:53:31 question I have, you have something called the citizens

09:53:33 review board, which is the CRB.

09:53:35 Now, the questions if you create a charter review board, it

09:53:40 also goes by the acronym of CRB.

09:53:43 So my question is do you want to call it a charter review

09:53:47 commission or charter review committee or does it not make a

09:53:49 difference?

09:53:50 Because they are going to be referred to by their initials.

09:53:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Let's get into actually what it will do.

09:53:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I talked about how to refer to them

09:54:02 frankly.

09:54:03 But I spent a lot of research and I looked at a lot of

09:54:07 different setups and a lot of different boards, different

09:54:10 cities and different counties.

09:54:11 Normally, it's constituted by either a resolution or an

09:54:18 ordinance by the municipality.

09:54:20 Normally what you have is each member of the committee is a

09:54:27 resident and an elector of the city, and normally they must

09:54:32 remain so during the pendency of the entire time.

09:54:35 If they no longer qualify they have to be replaced.




09:54:40 There are some boards that -- normally they go for a period

09:54:45 of a year with the ability of the City Council to either

09:54:49 extend that time or to curtail that time depending on the

09:54:52 way it works.

09:54:55 Normally, there is a meeting frequency determined in the

09:55:02 document that creates a resolution.

09:55:06 Ran advantage to doing that is to let people know at the

09:55:08 outset of what the expectations are of their commitment.

09:55:12 The advantage to having the alternate required to attend

09:55:19 every meeting, so if they were unable, somebody was able to

09:55:23 attend, or had to leave, walk into it right away.

09:55:29 The disadvantage to not having an alternate, the replacement

09:55:32 would come in and ultimately just start on that day and have

09:55:35 to move forward and not have the history behind it.

09:55:37 Obviously when you have a board, it is a Sunshine Board.

09:55:43 Therefore each member normally, it would say in the

09:55:45 resolution shall be subject to the city's ethics code, and

09:55:51 Florida statutes governing ethics, open meeting, and public

09:55:55 records.

09:55:56 Also, it normally says that the members shall serve without

09:55:59 compensation.

09:56:02 There are some boards that require -- some cities that

09:56:06 require members of their charter review commission to

09:56:12 fulfill financial disclosure requirements that they file,

09:56:17 for the sake of transparency.




09:56:19 Depending on how you wish to have it constituted either

09:56:23 council can select who the chair will be or you can have the

09:56:26 board select who the chair will be.

09:56:30 Of course, the board can be devise its own rules of conduct

09:56:36 if it so wishes, or the council can have that within the

09:56:40 resolution.

09:56:42 Normally, also, in many of the resolutions that I have

09:56:47 looked at, if you set forth who the support staff is for the

09:56:52 board so it's the council who selects who the support staff

09:56:55 is who governs -- excuse me -- who supports the process.

09:57:01 And all of that is language that would be presented to you

09:57:05 depending on your decision points and how you wish to

09:57:07 proceed.

09:57:09 And obviously I could bring that to you very quickly, F and

09:57:14 anything the council needs to have changed, that will be

09:57:17 easily done.

09:57:18 But I would like to have you set forth that parameter, you

09:57:21 give me some direction as to what you wish to see.

09:57:23 >>FRANK REDDICK: Who is the support staff for the citizens

09:57:27 review board?

09:57:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You mean for the --

09:57:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yeah, the citizens review board for the

09:57:37 city.

09:57:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well that wasn't designated in the

09:57:41 resolution.




09:57:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: No, I'm asking, they have a board.

09:57:44 I'm pretty sure they have somebody to support that.

09:57:47 Support staff.

09:57:47 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

09:57:51 It is a person who also is the assistant for internal

09:57:57 affairs, I believe.

09:57:59 Or it's another named member of the support staff person

09:58:03 from the Tampa Police Department.

09:58:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It is delineated in the ordinance.

09:58:10 >>JULIA MANDELL: It is delineated in the ordinance but I

09:58:15 know it's somebody in the police department who serves as an

09:58:18 administrator for one of the divisions of the Tampa police

09:58:21 department.

09:58:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione.

09:58:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am going to try this.

09:58:27 I don't know if anybody can hear me.

09:58:28 I have got backup in case.

09:58:33 When the last budget was passed, a part-time position in the

09:58:38 council budget was established, so we would have the ability

09:58:44 to staff it with that part-time position.

09:58:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Actually, if I may, I don't believe it was

09:58:52 designated a part-time position.

09:58:53 I believe we designated $15,000 in the budget.

09:58:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because I --

09:59:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I defer to our legal department.




09:59:03 I think that far when we made that decision, it was --

09:59:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's both, trust me, because it is a

09:59:15 part-time staff position.

09:59:18 It wasn't identified as to what that part-time staff

09:59:21 position would be for.

09:59:23 It's not identified to any specific council member, but in

09:59:29 council's budget is an additional part-time position.

09:59:33 And they are 15,000 was a separate line item added to

09:59:40 council's budget.

09:59:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

09:59:42 So your question is or comment, that that would be used for

09:59:47 staffing?

09:59:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, for a charter review position.

09:59:58 I get that budget.

09:59:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Shelby.

10:00:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just to clarify Councilman Reddick's

10:00:04 question, in the ordinance it does say the provisions of the

10:00:06 section will be administered by the citizens review board

10:00:08 coordinator as designated by the chief of police and it

10:00:12 lists that person's duties.

10:00:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay, terrific.

10:00:15 Any questions or comments to Mr. Shelby or to staff yet in

10:00:18 terms of -- because I think we still need some things that

10:00:21 we need to flush out before we go forward F.not --

10:00:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Remind me of the target date that we




10:00:30 need to have the language settled in order to get on the

10:00:36 ballot in November.

10:00:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We talked about the time frame before as

10:00:40 something --

10:00:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, no as a matter of fact, with regard

10:00:43 to the charter review committee, it would very much take,

10:00:50 normally, a year for them to complete their task.

10:00:53 A lot --

10:00:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I don't think that's what she's asking.

10:00:59 To put it on the ballot.

10:01:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Oh, in November.

10:01:01 Okay.

10:01:02 Well, which ballot?

10:01:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We can talk about that, Mrs. Montelione, if

10:01:16 that's all right.

10:01:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: It would be a process where either the

10:01:21 City Council would give the charter review committee the

10:01:28 delineation of what it wants to look at, or it could give

10:01:31 suggestions of things they would like us to look at, or it

10:01:33 could give them a very broad-based charge, and then council

10:01:40 or individual council members can actually ask the committee

10:01:45 to consider certain things that are in there.

10:01:49 Cities do it very different, you know.

10:01:51 There's no one way to do it.

10:01:53 The other thing is obviously, and take a look at the second




10:01:56 page of the strategic planning decision points that council

10:02:03 made the consensus that any changes to any power of any

10:02:06 office recommended and approved by the voters would be start

10:02:09 the beginning of the term for that office following the date

10:02:13 of approval.

10:02:14 So you are talking about the next term of City Council then

10:02:17 if it's related to the City Council or the mayor.

10:02:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions?

10:02:23 I have some questions.

10:02:24 I don't want to take up until -- Mr. Shelby, a couple

10:02:29 things.

10:02:29 One, when we put this onto the ballot and we make a decision

10:02:36 to have a charter review board, do we have to put the

10:02:41 specifics in there or not?

10:02:43 And I think you might have mentioned -- and I want to

10:02:46 clarify -- in terms of the things we look at.

10:02:49 For example, I'm of the mind that we look at certain things

10:02:53 that give the charge to the review commission to look at

10:02:56 certain items specifically, and to the operation of the City

10:03:01 of Tampa's government as opposed to making it a general, you

10:03:05 know, wide ranging thing.

10:03:06 Because I think it's harder for a board to look at

10:03:09 everything as opposed to concentrate on two or three

10:03:11 different things.

10:03:12 And I'm always of the mind that you look at the authority




10:03:15 that both the mayor and the City Council have, the authority

10:03:20 that the mayor and City Council have in relation to each

10:03:22 other and the bay that they are supposed to serve the people

10:03:25 so that you have a little bit generalized in that way, and

10:03:29 then specific questions put to them as to each one of those

10:03:33 types of powers.

10:03:34 So, for example, we are going to be talking a little bit

10:03:38 about some of the audit powers that we talked about

10:03:40 previously, that may be something separate.

10:03:42 But for other charter reviews, for cities, not for counties,

10:03:48 because skew officer does make a difference to me in terms

10:03:53 of what that's going to be.

10:03:54 What have you found in terms of what generally charter

10:03:57 reviews do when it's that kind of relationship as opposed to

10:04:01 a county charter review?

10:04:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, I could say this at the outset.

10:04:06 Number one, with regard to putting together a resolution

10:04:09 that creates the board that does not have to go to the

10:04:12 voters.

10:04:13 So City Council will just be able -- we could choose to do

10:04:17 it by ordinance if you wish.

10:04:19 Could you choose to do it by resolution.

10:04:21 Irrespective of how you create the board, whatever has to go

10:04:25 on the ballot will have to do so by ordinance.

10:04:28 Which means it will require the signature of the mayor or




10:04:32 will require an overrule of an item if that's the way

10:04:38 council wishes to proceed.

10:04:39 So in the strong form of government the mayor is certainly

10:04:43 an interested party and an active participant in the

10:04:47 process, the fact that whatever council decides to accept

10:04:51 that recommendation from the board would go to the voters in

10:04:56 the form of an ordinance.

10:04:58 My understanding of City Council's desire to proceed based

10:05:02 on the consensus at the strategic planning -- and correct me

10:05:06 if I am wrong -- is that the way you structure this board,

10:05:11 and by the very fact that there is no process presently

10:05:14 within your charter for a regular charter review committee

10:05:19 or a board or a process, that what would have to happen is

10:05:24 the board that is created by City Council would come to City

10:05:27 Council with recommendations, and would ultimately be the

10:05:32 decision of this City Council as to whether or not to accept

10:05:36 those recommendations as is or to move forward in some form

10:05:39 with putting language that's on the ballot.

10:05:41 So whatever City Council wishes to decide goes on the

10:05:44 ballot, an ordinance would then have to be prepared,

10:05:50 obviously the legal department would be involved in that,

10:05:52 obviously want the city attorney to be an active participant

10:05:56 making sure that everything is -- all the I's are dotted

10:06:00 and the T's crossed.

10:06:03 Normally what happens is a lot of the boards have it where




10:06:10 they will report back to be City Council's incrementally.

10:06:14 They complete their process.

10:06:15 They make their recommendations.

10:06:16 And they make their presentation.

10:06:18 Obviously, you also have the process where now this is a

10:06:23 Sunshine Board, so they are open to the public, and the

10:06:27 public has the opportunity conceivably at every meeting for

10:06:31 public input before that board.

10:06:33 So basically, what would happen is the process would begin

10:06:38 from the time that council passes a resolution or ordinance,

10:06:46 and then you constitute the board.

10:06:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Shelby, the question about what you have

10:06:50 seen with other boards, again, similarly situated, those

10:06:55 that are city boards with a strong mayor form of government,

10:07:00 what has been the outcome of those review boards in terms of

10:07:04 what they have delineated?

10:07:05 I mean, has there been a direction to change the nature

10:07:10 between how the council and the mayor?

10:07:15 Has it been we are going to provide more powers, less

10:07:17 powers, keep status quo?

10:07:19 Are they specifically doing things that are minor changes to

10:07:23 boards, one of the things that's a minor change here?

10:07:26 I won't say minor, but to change any gender bias within our

10:07:30 ordinances and things like that.

10:07:32 So what have you seen as part of your research?




10:07:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: What I have seen is basically, for the

10:07:38 most part, the opportunity to look holistically at the

10:07:43 charter.

10:07:43 Because of the fact of the matter -- and I will share with

10:07:45 you my observation about this charter -- I cannot tell you

10:07:48 when if ever this charter has been taken a look at in its

10:07:52 entirety since its passage in 1975.

10:07:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Sorry to interrupt you.

10:07:58 As an example, we could pass a charter review ordinance that

10:08:01 goes to the voters, or a recommended ordinance to the

10:08:07 voters, to create this board.

10:08:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: You could do it by resolution.

10:08:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We could do it by resolution.

10:08:17 And in order to change the charter, though, we have to go to

10:08:20 the voters, correct are?

10:08:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Absolutely.

10:08:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So let me backtrack a little bit then.

10:08:26 As an example, we create the board.

10:08:28 The board comes back with some suggestions.

10:08:30 And those suggestions get put onto a vote at the next

10:08:37 election, whatever time frame we are looking at, whether

10:08:40 it's this election tore next midterm election, which would

10:08:43 be 2018.

10:08:46 We can do either one is what I am saying, doing during a

10:08:50 regular election, to save us money or some other election.




10:08:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, if you do it during a regularly

10:08:57 scheduled election, you certainly will save a substantial

10:08:59 amount of money.

10:09:00 The question is whether you want to -- we have to work out

10:09:04 the timeline, obviously.

10:09:07 You could do it the next regular council if you wish.

10:09:11 Next regular council election or prior.

10:09:15 But it does not have to be.

10:09:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: But it does not have to be during a regular

10:09:20 council election.

10:09:21 County be a general election, whether 2016 or 2018.

10:09:25 The reason I ask that question is because if you put into

10:09:28 the charter or into what the resolution is going to be,

10:09:32 changing the charter, it doesn't come into force until the

10:09:35 next board and mayor is elected as opposed to it being, you

10:09:39 know, at the same time.

10:09:41 It's a little more difficult to do it at the same time as a

10:09:43 charter -- excuse me, a council and mayor's election, in my

10:09:48 mind, because now you are looking at making the change,

10:09:51 knowing whatever the next council members are going to do,

10:09:54 running for, knowing what their powers are going to be, I

10:09:57 prefer that the way only because it gives you a sense of

10:10:00 when you are running for an office you know exactly what

10:10:03 your limitations powers are going to be when you take

10:10:05 office.




10:10:06 I think that's important for people to know when they run

10:10:08 for office.

10:10:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: You might have a greater turnout at a

10:10:11 municipal election.

10:10:12 >> In this city you never know.

10:10:18 Hope springs eternal.

10:10:19 But anyway, anything else, Mr. Cohen?

10:10:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, I tend to agree with where I think you

10:10:25 are going, which you have the 2018 general election, and

10:10:28 there are charter changes voted in, you have a four-month

10:10:31 lag to reflect all of that.

10:10:35 You had mentioned being ready for 2016.

10:10:38 I don't think there's any --

10:10:41 >> No.

10:10:41 >> -- with being ready. So what you want from us is

10:10:47 direction as to what type of an ordinance or resolution we

10:10:52 want passed and what some of the details would be.

10:10:56 Mr. Reddick outlined the details of the appointment.

10:10:58 But things like how frequently they would meet, when they

10:11:01 would meet, what the term would be, and then also being the

10:11:05 question of what they would cover.

10:11:08 So I won't ask for the microphone again, I would say that I

10:11:12 do agree with giving specific direction to the charter

10:11:17 review board of what we would like them to scrutinize.

10:11:20 But, on the other hand, I do think they ought to have some




10:11:23 latitude on their own if there are things they feel strongly

10:11:27 about, they can certainly explore them and bring them back

10:11:30 to us and we can decide whether or not we want to move

10:11:33 forward with it.

10:11:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione?

10:11:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I wish this had a volume thing on it.

10:11:44 I made copies of the City Council budget, so this reflects

10:11:47 the increase of the half of that, it would have to be

10:11:55 carried over into the 16-17 budget.

10:12:00 I'm not contagious.

10:12:06 (Laughter)

10:12:16 And so that takes care of that question.

10:12:22 Whether or not there was personnel position created.

10:12:28 And then the $15,000 that was referred to, we have done that

10:12:33 by resolution, draft copy of the resolution, but it did

10:12:38 pass.

10:12:40 So that's that.

10:12:41 And I just wanted to clarify, when you said we wouldn't be

10:12:45 ready for '18, that the charter changes put audit and

10:12:54 whistleblower, what we talked about last time, that was that

10:12:59 the council would put it on the ballot ourselves and not

10:13:03 have that fit and wait for the charter review board.

10:13:07 I just wanted to clarify what we are ready for and not ready

10:13:12 for in '18.

10:13:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.




10:13:15 This is for '18?

10:13:17 Tell me again.

10:13:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Make a choice as to when --

10:13:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Whistleblower and the audit.

10:13:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: My preference is to put those directly

10:13:27 on the ballot in '18 like we discussed, and further changes

10:13:31 to the charter that would be suggested by a review board

10:13:34 would be in '18.

10:13:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, you are talking '16.

10:13:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, 16.

10:13:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's what I thought.

10:13:43 Okay.

10:13:44 I agree.

10:13:44 And I agree, and I know we all discussed this, the

10:13:50 corporation to develop communities of the audit, dated May

10:13:53 3, 2016.

10:13:54 When you look at it, this audit was conducted March of 2013.

10:13:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes, right.

10:14:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And we are going to get more into the audit

10:14:06 in the next item.

10:14:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

10:14:16 (multiple conversations).

10:14:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask one question.

10:14:20 Then I am going to make a motion.

10:14:21 Let me ask you.




10:14:24 Give me the difference between a resolution and an

10:14:26 ordinance.

10:14:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, a resolution is a statement of the

10:14:34 City Council.

10:14:36 It doesn't require the signature of the mayor.

10:14:38 It is easily amendable or rescindable.

10:14:41 An ordinance has to comply with Florida statutes.

10:14:44 It has to be signed by the mayor or passed by five members

10:14:51 of council if he does veto it.

10:14:54 It does require notice in a public hearing to the people.

10:14:59 And before adoption.

10:15:01 So that is a more formal process, and it becomes binding

10:15:07 unless the council repeals it.

10:15:12 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chairman, just to get us started here,

10:15:17 I want to make a motion that we ask our council attorney to

10:15:24 develop language in the form of a resolution to establish a

10:15:28 charter review commission consisting of nine individuals,

10:15:33 seven appointed by this council, two by the mayor, and two

10:15:36 alternates.

10:15:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.

10:15:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mr. Reddick.

10:15:40 I have a second from Mrs. Montelione.

10:15:41 Any discussion before we take that vote?

10:15:43 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:15:46 Any opposed?




10:15:47 Thank you.

10:15:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Now --

10:15:54 >>HARRY COHEN: Would it be appropriate to make a second

10:15:56 motion to flush out a little of the details?

10:15:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, I would suggest, if we could -- we

10:16:02 could clarify this through Mr. Shelby -- maybe when that

10:16:05 comes back we might have that discussion, or we can try to

10:16:08 do it now, whatever the council prefers.

10:16:10 >>HARRY COHEN: How about a couple to add to it?

10:16:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I appreciate you diagnose that because if

10:16:17 I just got a consensus of council, unless you want to do it

10:16:21 by motion, that's fine, too, but just so I bring back

10:16:24 something that won't need too much work.

10:16:26 Also to refresh your recollection, number 4 on page 2, the

10:16:30 facilitators report listed some of the subjects that came up

10:16:35 during the strategic planning meeting that council thought

10:16:38 that they would like the charter review to discuss.

10:16:42 That can be part of the charge as well.

10:16:43 I can include that, unless there's anything that council

10:16:46 wishes to change in there.

10:16:47 >>HARRY COHEN: I think that would be a great start.

10:16:51 I think we should incorporate item number 4 in the

10:16:55 directive.

10:16:55 I was also going to suggest that we very broadly aspire to

10:16:59 have the board seated by the fall, that they meet monthly,




10:17:04 at lowest, and that we try to have them finish their work

10:17:08 within one calendar year.

10:17:11 They would start October, they would be finished in October.

10:17:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: If that's a motion I second.

10:17:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.

10:17:19 Second by Mr. Reddick.

10:17:21 Any discussion on that notion? All in favor?

10:17:23 Any opposed?

10:17:24 Thank you.

10:17:26 All right, Mr. Shelby, do you have anything else to add on

10:17:30 this particular item?

10:17:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Just a question.

10:17:33 And if I understand correctly, you said two alternates.

10:17:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: Correct.

10:17:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Okay.

10:17:39 I did mention the fact -- and about being subject to the

10:17:42 ethics code, Florida statutes.

10:17:44 Did council have a position one way or the other, or should

10:17:48 I leave that for future discussion about financial

10:17:50 disclosure?

10:17:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That may be something that could be brought

10:17:54 back.

10:17:54 And I will say this before we go to the rest of the council.

10:17:58 I do think that it's important to have that requirement of

10:18:01 people that are serving on something those as important of a




10:18:05 board as this, that they should have a financial disclosure

10:18:07 to understand what the relationship is to anyone that might

10:18:09 have business before the city.

10:18:11 So Mrs. Montelione.

10:18:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'll make a motion to include financial

10:18:17 disclosure would be a requirement of being seated on the

10:18:20 board.

10:18:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.

10:18:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion from Mrs. Montelione.

10:18:26 Second from Mrs. Capin.

10:18:28 Discussion.

10:18:28 >>HARRY COHEN: You know, I'm a little uncomfortable

10:18:31 committing to that yet, because I don't want us to put up a

10:18:34 roadblock that will prevent a lot of people from wanting to

10:18:38 serve.

10:18:39 You know, my question would be how detailed a financial

10:18:43 disclosure are we going to require?

10:18:44 And that would be how I would make a judgment.

10:18:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think it's already statutory.

10:18:51 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

10:18:52 I believe once you become what we would deem an appointed

10:18:57 officer, which this would fall under that category, ethics

10:19:01 code will obligate that.

10:19:06 So it would be just similar to every other board that we

10:19:09 have.




10:19:10 >> It would be the short form.

10:19:13 >>JULIA MANDELL: Short form, yes.

10:19:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Thank you.

10:19:21 The reason I asked the question is because some of the

10:19:23 boards state they are appointed, so designated, to make sure

10:19:28 there is no question.

10:19:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I think if you just stated it specifically

10:19:35 to let them know, you are an appointed officer,

10:19:39 blah-blah-blah, whatever.

10:19:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would say motion stands because as Mr.

10:19:45 Shelby pointed out, some call it out in the resolution.

10:19:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you have that motion?

10:19:55 Mrs. Montelione, do you want to repeat it?

10:20:00 Sorry.

10:20:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That the resolution for the creation of

10:20:06 charter review board include the provision of appointed

10:20:12 members having to complete a financial short-form

10:20:14 disclosure.

10:20:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And we still have the second from Mrs.

10:20:18 Capin.

10:20:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

10:20:21 I just want to add, appointed officers.

10:20:28 It's very specific that they know that's one of the main

10:20:30 reasons that they are cog doing this financial report.

10:20:34 So are you okay with that?




10:20:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you accept it?

10:20:38 Okay.

10:20:38 We have the amended motion.

10:20:40 Any other discussion on that amended motion?

10:20:44 >>HARRY COHEN: I want to say for the record I am not going

10:20:46 to support the motion.

10:20:47 I might support the concept when we come back with it.

10:20:50 I want to have a little time to think through it.

10:20:53 I don't know if we should require it or not.

10:20:57 I want to think about it.

10:20:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What Mrs. Mandell said is it is

10:21:02 required.

10:21:02 >>HARRY COHEN: No, Mr. Shelby said it is our choice whether

10:21:06 to include it or not.

10:21:07 I think what Mrs. Mandell said, if I could clarify, is if we

10:21:11 include it, it will be the form 6 that's required of all the

10:21:15 other officers.

10:21:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I think Mrs. Mandell -- that it is a board

10:21:21 that way, it wouldn't be required.

10:21:22 >>JULIA MANDELL: It would be my thought that this board by

10:21:26 its characterization would create that the members are

10:21:32 appointed officers.

10:21:33 However, your budget advisory board does not fall under that

10:21:39 definition because they are advisory in nature.

10:21:42 So whether or not they fall -- depending on how you put the




10:21:46 board up.

10:21:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Given the way you define it?

10:21:53 >>JULIA MANDELL: I would characterize it as appointed

10:21:56 officials and they need to fill out the form.

10:21:59 But at the same time, you know, there is your advisory

10:22:01 committee.

10:22:03 I think goes a little farther than that.

10:22:05 So you might want to -- I mean, maybe it would be a good

10:22:09 idea to go ahead and put in the there.

10:22:11 But I think that's the way you characterize it probably

10:22:15 falls into that anyway.

10:22:17 >>FRANK REDDICK: In the Hillsborough County charter review

10:22:23 board, we had a short form 6 by the election office.

10:22:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other discussion?

10:22:33 The amended motion still stands.

10:22:34 All in favor of that motion?

10:22:36 Any opposed?

10:22:37 Thank you.

10:22:38 Is there any other discussion on item number 4 before I go

10:22:42 to the public?

10:22:44 Mr. Shelby.

10:22:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Would you like me to bring it back -- next

10:22:48 week would be a little short.

10:22:49 But would you like me to bring it back on the 23rd of

10:22:52 June?




10:22:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 23rd of June?

10:22:59 Had motion from Mr. Cohen.

10:23:00 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

10:23:02 All in favor?

10:23:04 Any opposed?

10:23:05 Okay.

10:23:06 Any other discussion of item number 4 only before we go

10:23:09 forward?

10:23:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Got it.

10:23:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We are good then.

10:23:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No, I have got some.

10:23:17 Sorry.

10:23:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You are on the second page.

10:23:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second page.

10:23:28 Council attorney should clarify guidelines to council, and

10:23:33 thought it was dead which maybe it is, but here we go.

10:23:40 Initial point -- during attended public events which have a

10:23:48 role -- I am going to move forward and see where we go.

10:23:53 I am going to tell you, parking is essential to this job, to

10:23:59 meet and engage and participate in the many opportunities

10:24:02 that come to us, and it is an important part of what is done

10:24:07 on City Council.

10:24:08 I wrote this real fast.

10:24:10 But understand and serve -- to better understand ag and

10:24:15 serve the city -- the constituents -- City Council voted --




10:24:22 was voted in to represent people of Tampa, and it is assumed

10:24:25 that the council members were vetted by the voters on their

10:24:31 stance and issues important to the voter.

10:24:34 However, you are also voted in and elected to represent

10:24:40 those that did not vote for you.

10:24:42 So the better reach and increase awareness of constituents

10:24:48 to serve the needs.

10:24:49 I feel that parking for City Council is not a perk but a way

10:24:54 of engaging and encouraging more participation and

10:24:57 understanding for our citizens.

10:25:02 This is not -- is an important part of what is done is to

10:25:05 better understand and serve.

10:25:08 I would want to move this forward because when you look at

10:25:11 the budget you are talking about pennies.

10:25:14 And to be called a diva and whatever else the media called

10:25:17 me, they can do it again.

10:25:19 I would propose this for the next term.

10:25:22 I think it is important that this is part of what you are

10:25:30 engaged in.

10:25:31 Yes, they want you to be like the regular citizens.

10:25:33 You are not.

10:25:34 You are an elected official.

10:25:35 They elected you to represent them.

10:25:36 They elected you to be engaged.

10:25:38 They elected you to understand and serve, to go to be




10:25:43 their -- to be at their events.

10:25:45 So they don't have to -- the public doesn't have to be at

10:25:49 the events.

10:25:50 We should be there, and we are.

10:25:52 So, therefore, for the future council to be able to

10:25:57 participate, I believe that it is important that this is

10:26:00 included.

10:26:00 And when you look at the budget you are talking pennies.

10:26:03 And to get that kind of reaction over pennies was just, in

10:26:09 my opinion, very uncalled for, being as what -- I always

10:26:16 say, people say, well, that's a part-time job.

10:26:19 It's a part-time job, full, with a full-time commitment.

10:26:23 We are out Saturdays, Sundays, nights.

10:26:26 It is important, and it is -- and it's not in your job

10:26:30 description, but it should be.

10:26:31 It is exactly how you find out what your constituents want.

10:26:36 So that to me is -- I would move it for the future council,

10:26:43 2019.

10:26:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before I go forward, Mrs. Capin, I want to

10:26:49 clarify.

10:26:50 Are you asking that it be part of charter review discussion

10:26:53 or are you asking for us to pass an ordinance that would not

10:26:55 be in force until 2019?

10:26:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Correct.

10:26:59 The second one.




10:27:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The second one?

10:27:01 And I just wanted to make sure from our legal department

10:27:03 what is the process for doing that since it's not a charter

10:27:09 review, but where does it fall?

10:27:20 >> You goat an expense account every year when the budget --

10:27:24 as far as your parking for that expense account, no charter

10:27:28 change, no amendments, no fee change.

10:27:30 That's within your bailiwick to decide what your expense

10:27:35 accounts will be like.

10:27:36 And that won't require amendments to any ordinances but the

10:27:39 ordinance is set by city.

10:27:41 That may be a simpler way of doing it.

10:27:44 It's your decision how to handle it.

10:27:46 One is simpler than the other.

10:27:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And what you are stating is that it's just

10:27:49 an administrative issue for us individually in order to use

10:27:52 our budget based on that?

10:27:55 >>SAL TERRITO: Right.

10:27:56 You decide what your budget is going to be as a separate

10:27:58 branch of government and if you want to add that to your

10:28:01 expense account those your decision.

10:28:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mr. Shelby, since you were part of that

10:28:08 discussion.

10:28:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: And I don't have an answer or response to

10:28:12 Mr. Territo, but if I understand your concern, councilwoman,




10:28:16 let's say, for instance, where you park at a parking meter,

10:28:21 if your meeting goes long, or you are unable to feed the

10:28:25 meter, or the two-hour minimum meter, you may very well get

10:28:30 a violation.

10:28:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I mean, there are cards to feed the meter

10:28:34 remotely.

10:28:35 My point is this, that I feel that in the future, it's only

10:28:40 going to be more -- more events, more participation, and it

10:28:46 would just encourage it.

10:28:49 It's just part of the job.

10:28:50 And part of the job is finding the parking space.

10:28:53 And we are not -- we are not like the public, because the

10:28:57 public has a choice.

10:28:58 And we don't.

10:28:59 We serve on those boards.

10:29:02 We do this.

10:29:03 And I do believe that it is not a perk, it is -- it should

10:29:08 be part of the job we do.

10:29:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: In that case, I think what Mr. Territo

10:29:14 suggested --

10:29:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And I may or may not be here in 2019.

10:29:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: We can address this during the budget

10:29:22 process, and that can be taken up at that time.

10:29:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.

10:29:31 I want to make sure we get clarification before we move




10:29:34 forward, that it is a matter of budgetary item being added

10:29:38 in, or -- I'm a little bit confused as to what the process

10:29:42 would be or what we should be diagnose next so that we can

10:29:46 move forward with her motion.

10:29:47 I want to make sure that people understand so someone

10:29:51 seconds and we go forward.

10:29:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: If I can, Mr. Territo, so I can say my

10:29:56 sentiments and you can address those.

10:29:58 We had this discussion in the past and there's also concern

10:30:00 about how the fees are set, and there's also certain, I

10:30:04 guess, covenants, or contracts, or interlocal agreements

10:30:08 that talk about how that sort of money from that department

10:30:11 is an enterprise fund pledge, certainly would affect

10:30:14 enterprise.

10:30:15 >>SAL TERRITO: It's not a matter of being free.

10:30:19 In effect if you think it's costing you $500 a year to park

10:30:22 and use your credit card, that that would be reimbursable

10:30:26 expense that you could put in for.

10:30:27 I'm not sure what your expense looks like, if there's a

10:30:30 limitation on it, but always add parking fees to be that

10:30:35 particular list if you want to.

10:30:37 I'm not sure how that part of your budget looks.

10:30:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.

10:30:48 I want to make sure we have clarity so we can move forward

10:30:51 with her motion as to what that actually means.




10:30:53 If it is a resolution asking for this but does not come in

10:30:56 to play until 2019 as you suggested, or ordinance -- I just

10:31:01 want to make sure.

10:31:02 Is it a resolution then?

10:31:04 And I think that's what we need clarification on.

10:31:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: My issue here, if it is included in the

10:31:11 City Council budget, then it is paid for, then it's added to

10:31:17 our budget, which is not -- is not -- if it's specified just

10:31:25 for that, and it's paid in advance to the parking, I don't

10:31:31 want -- what I want to see is that you are moving, and you

10:31:35 are moving from one event to another to another to another,

10:31:38 and you are not looking at that meter or that you ran out or

10:31:43 whatever.

10:31:44 It's paid in advance for whatever time, and it is noted that

10:31:50 you are city council and you are parked there and your

10:31:53 parking is paid for.

10:31:54 So if it is paid to City Council, as opposed to City Council

10:31:57 members getting in the their budget, I would agree.

10:32:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It would be a separate thing.

10:32:05 So I am not sure how to proceed and I would like some

10:32:09 directive as I can.

10:32:10 Is it an administrative function?

10:32:12 >>SAL TERRITO: I don't nobody how you would do that in

10:32:15 advance payment.

10:32:16 How do they know it's you, somebody using your car?




10:32:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: What are the green tickets?

10:32:23 >>SAL TERRITO: The green tickets work in garages and

10:32:25 anyplace where you put a ticket in.

10:32:26 I'm not sure if it works on parking meters.

10:32:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN: How are they paid for?

10:32:31 >>SAL TERRITO: They are paid for out of your budget.

10:32:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

10:32:35 It's exactly the same thing.

10:32:36 Except it's parking meters.

10:32:39 It's exactly the same thing.

10:32:40 >>SAL TERRITO: I don't know if the parking meters take

10:32:43 those green cards.

10:32:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It's not a groan card.

10:32:46 It's a matter of letting the parking meter people know that

10:32:50 when they see the City Council, a sticker or whatever, it

10:32:53 has already been paid.

10:32:54 >>SAL TERRITO: That's more difficult to do.

10:32:57 I think if you put your credit card, City Council credit

10:33:00 card into a parking meter, it's taken care of by that.

10:33:03 I don't know mechanic cannily how that works.

10:33:06 I know what you are asking.

10:33:07 I don't know the answer to that.

10:33:09 I'm not sure if it's automatically prepaid there.

10:33:13 Has to be some indication of how it's automatically prepaid.

10:33:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: But the green cards are prepaid.




10:33:19 All it is is a green card.

10:33:21 And you just --

10:33:23 >>SAL TERRITO: All I am saying is as a Parker meter I don't

10:33:27 know if they work in parking meters.

10:33:29 They will work in city garages.

10:33:31 It's easy to find out.

10:33:32 I don't know the answer.

10:33:33 I don't know if you can use a green card in parking meters.

10:33:39 If you can, then it's easy.

10:33:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The clerk has a question.

10:33:42 >>THE CLERK: I need clarification on the motion that was

10:33:45 made.

10:33:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think we are still trying to clarify that.

10:33:50 Oh, the last one, which was I think June 23rd.

10:33:53 >>THE CLERK: Right.

10:33:55 For that one item or all the items that the motion has been

10:33:58 made previous?

10:33:59 Because we made about three or four motions and did not have

10:34:02 a date.

10:34:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think all of them will ride together,

10:34:06 would be my guess.

10:34:07 Correct?

10:34:08 Mrs. Montelione, another comment or question?

10:34:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I expect what Mrs. Capin is asking for,

10:34:19 I couldn't support it because in my five years, I have




10:34:23 served on mostly all Hillsborough County board that serve on

10:34:27 the advisory -- on the housing board and the Hillsborough

10:34:32 River board and I serve on the MPO.

10:34:34 So I have not had a problem.

10:34:42 My outside boards I do personally as a council member.

10:34:49 The county boards most often, I park here in my parking

10:34:54 space and I walk the two blocks to the Hillsborough County

10:34:58 center.

10:35:04 I think it's personal experience, but I have not had an

10:35:08 issue where it's come in to play.

10:35:13 Now, finding the parking space is a whole other issue.

10:35:22 I have gone to lunches or dinners that we are invited to in

10:35:25 our professional capacity as an elective member of council.

10:35:28 And driving around because there is no alternative way for

10:35:37 me to get here.

10:35:38 We don't have a train.

10:35:39 I could take the bus.

10:35:40 But depending on what time we get out at night I might not

10:35:43 be able to get out.

10:35:45 So it's finding the parking spaces that's difficult for

10:35:49 everybody.

10:35:52 Sometimes you just have to plan ahead.

10:35:54 But I haven't had, with the boards that I serve on, I

10:35:58 haven't had an issue with parking because they are all

10:36:03 downtown and over at the county center.




10:36:06 Except for the river board, I park at City Hall which has

10:36:10 free parking in their parking lot so it's not been an issue

10:36:13 for me.

10:36:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Capin.

10:36:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I still stand by it and I think that it is

10:36:19 a very important, encouraging part.

10:36:25 And yes, it is difficult, would be more difficult to find a

10:36:29 parking space.

10:36:30 And then when the meter doesn't work you are walking a block

10:36:33 and a half to the next meter which has happened to me.

10:36:35 But, you know, it happens to everyone.

10:36:39 But the amount -- I am not talking boards, I am talking

10:36:45 events, I am talking constituent, I am talking meeting

10:36:49 constituents for coffee, meeting these people constantly.

10:36:53 It's a constant everyday, every single day.

10:36:56 So the boards is not even the issue.

10:37:01 It's a issue of meeting with the constituents, going to

10:37:04 their events, parking in the, understanding what is

10:37:07 important to them, and it would make life a little bit

10:37:09 easier.

10:37:11 And if that's a problem, then I feel bad for the next

10:37:15 council that comes on board.

10:37:18 So it stand it is way I --

10:37:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The motion stands as you have suggested.

10:37:23 Clerk, do you noticed clarification on the motion?




10:37:26 I'm sorry.

10:37:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Clarification?

10:37:34 All righty.

10:37:40 That for 2019, we have a method to be determined where the

10:37:49 incoming City Council will be able to park at city meters

10:37:56 and be recognized that that is part of what they do, as part

10:38:02 of their job, or part of there -- to be -- meeting

10:38:11 constituents for coffee is an official business.

10:38:15 Three and four when they have issues about issues that's

10:38:18 coming up or have happened.

10:38:20 I think that is official business.

10:38:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay, that is your motion.

10:38:25 Is there a second?

10:38:26 I have a second from -- motion from Mrs. Capin, second from

10:38:30 Mr. Reddick.

10:38:31 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

10:38:35 Okay.

10:38:35 Opposed?

10:38:37 Okay.

10:38:37 >>HARRY COHEN: Let me make a suggestion that we skin this

10:38:44 cat a little differently.

10:38:45 Sorry.

10:38:46 Why don't we simply add to the purview of the charter review

10:38:52 board a discussion -- because we are talking about the next

10:38:56 council.




10:38:57 It isn't about us personally.

10:39:00 Compensation, the way that our per diem is figured, and how

10:39:04 it works, and whether or not there is a budget that each of

10:39:13 us has, and an examination of whether or not it's adequate

10:39:18 to meet our needs.

10:39:20 It's certainly an appropriate thing to look at and have them

10:39:23 report back to us.

10:39:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is that in the form of a motion?

10:39:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Yes.

10:39:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You got that, madam clerk?

10:39:32 We have a motion by Mr. Cohen.

10:39:34 Second from Mr. Maniscalco.

10:39:37 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

10:39:41 Any opposed?

10:39:45 Two nay.

10:39:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I have another motion.

10:39:48 We can bring up motions anytime we want, right?

10:39:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All right, we got that.

10:39:53 I apologize, Mrs. Montelione.

10:39:54 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick, Capin, Cohen and

10:40:03 Maniscalco voting yes, and Suarez and Montelione voting no.

10:40:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Capin, I apologize.

10:40:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let's dive right in here and drill down.

10:40:16 I want to bring up the pay to City Council.

10:40:24 The annual salary toe City Council is 43,546 dollars.




10:40:30 The minimum pay to our aides is 50,523, maximum of $75,000.

10:40:40 They earn every penny.

10:40:42 But here we go.

10:40:44 I believe that council members -- and again, future council

10:40:47 members -- I'm termed out -- will be compensated at the

10:40:54 $50,000 line, which is in line with the minimum of a council

10:40:59 aide.

10:41:00 And I think it's really important to attract more people to

10:41:13 the job.

10:41:18 And then I would not increase the allowance unless, you

10:41:22 know, charter review board.

10:41:24 And I can see -- but I am going to bring it up, because it

10:41:30 needs the sunshine.

10:41:31 It needs the sunshine.

10:41:36 That council is paid less than the minimum of the beginning

10:41:41 starting aide.

10:41:42 And I think it should be at lowest at that minimum of

10:41:45 $50,000.

10:41:47 That's my motion.

10:41:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

10:41:50 And that's to be part of our charter review discussion?

10:41:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yeah, it could be, but I would pass it

10:41:57 right now.

10:41:58 I mean, I would pass it for the future.

10:42:01 2019.




10:42:06 We are not starving, but it should be -- you know, it's just

10:42:11 really -- it goes with the -- you know, this is not a small

10:42:17 city. This is not a little budget.

10:42:19 This is not -- we are the second or third largest city in

10:42:22 the State of Florida.

10:42:23 Third.

10:42:24 And this is a lot of responsibility.

10:42:26 And I want the best of the best.

10:42:28 And if I can get it up to $50,000, hey, that's fantastic,

10:42:34 the city got a bargain.

10:42:35 But that's what I feel at least it should be.

10:42:37 At least.

10:42:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: There's no doubt they already have a bargain

10:42:40 with all of us.

10:42:42 (Laughter).

10:42:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I sure am.

10:42:44 (Laughter).

10:42:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: [Off microphone.]

10:42:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Well, they have to be elected to this term.

10:42:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have an election to go.

10:42:58 So we have a motion by Mrs. Capin.

10:43:01 Do we have a second to Mrs. Capin's motion?

10:43:09 Okay.

10:43:09 And the clarification, I will clarify for you, that it is

10:43:13 only for 2019 and going forward.




10:43:16 Correct?

10:43:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Correct.

10:43:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do we have a second?

10:43:19 I do not see anyone stepping forward to give a second.

10:43:22 It dies for lack of a second.

10:43:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am going to make another motion, to add

10:43:26 it to the charter review.

10:43:28 >>HARRY COHEN: We actually just passed a motion telling

10:43:33 them to look at issues of compensation.

10:43:35 So basically we'll look at that issue.

10:43:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Compared to aides and the rest of it.

10:43:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Compared to everything.

10:43:43 I think so.

10:43:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to bring it up.

10:43:47 There you go.

10:43:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other discussion on item 4 before I go

10:43:51 to the public?

10:43:53 Anything else to our strategic planning session?

10:43:56 Okay.

10:43:57 To the public.

10:43:57 This is a workshop session which means that after each

10:44:00 workshop we ask for opinions and comments from the public on

10:44:04 that particular workshop.

10:44:06 Please limit your comments to what we have just discussed

10:44:09 about the charter review.




10:44:10 Anyone in the public that would like to do that at this

10:44:13 time, please come forward.

10:44:14 >> Good morning.

10:44:20 How are you, council? My name is reverend Dr. Russell

10:44:25 Meyer, the co-chair of Tampa for Justice, pastor of a couple

10:44:30 of congregations in town, resident of Tampa Palms.

10:44:34 And I'm very excited to hear about a charter review

10:44:40 commission, and the way you laid it out, I look forward to

10:44:43 what it brings.

10:44:44 This weekend is a time when we remember those historic

10:44:49 words, that a government of the people by the people and for

10:44:53 the people shall not perish from the face of this earth.

10:44:58 Much blood has been spent on that.

10:45:01 And we need to do everything possible that we can to make

10:45:04 certain the widest participation of our community is

10:45:10 involved in our common government.

10:45:15 And not having reviewed the city charter since 1975 in a

10:45:21 holistic way, a whole lot of things have changed since 1975.

10:45:29 Our understanding of how democracy works best and just the

10:45:33 various components of the community are really like and how

10:45:36 they can be best be represented so it's very much needed.

10:45:40 We would very much like to see a civilian investigative

10:45:43 panel as part of a new city charter.

10:45:47 We know now from Florida corporates and other kind of

10:45:53 rulings that the current charter review board that has been




10:45:56 established, under an administrative function, can have no

10:46:02 real oversight of the police department.

10:46:07 Florida courts have been very clear that once an internal

10:46:11 affairs process has been set up for the discipline of sworn

10:46:15 officers, no other process can have any say whatsoever

10:46:22 internally, administratively.

10:46:23 The only way the community or the City Council could

10:46:26 actually have oversight over the police department is to

10:46:31 have an independent body that comes from a completely

10:46:36 different mechanism that's not anywhere associated with the

10:46:42 administrative function of the city.

10:46:44 Right now, the way we are constituted, Tampa Police

10:46:47 Department, which is filled with wonderful officers, is a

10:46:52 function of the mayor's office.

10:46:55 And so the community needs to be able to actually review law

10:46:58 enforcement policies, civilian investigative panels is

10:47:03 required in order to do that.

10:47:05 Thank you very much.

10:47:06 Bless you in your work.

10:47:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

10:47:10 Next, please.

10:47:11 >> John Green.

10:47:16 I'm in agreement with this review board.

10:47:18 And I'm wondering will the process of the City Council

10:47:23 election be included in this process?




10:47:35 How the election went on May 7th, after watching the

10:47:38 videotape --

10:47:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I can interrupt you.

10:47:41 There was no election of Tampa City Council on May 7th.

10:47:44 >> Well, when you speak of chair.

10:47:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize.

10:47:50 Thank you, chair.

10:47:51 >> After watching the videotape several times, I was pretty

10:47:55 disturbed from what the city had mentioned about there not

10:48:06 being a chair and pro tem at the time prior to you all

10:48:11 conducting business.

10:48:12 But my main point what I wanted to bring up is what the

10:48:15 clerk read from.

10:48:17 She said that votes will be counted by raising their hand.

10:48:23 And during the time that the pro tem was elected you all

10:48:29 took a motion, and during that motion was around the

10:48:34 30-minute mark in the tape.

10:48:36 When nobody raised their hand during that motion.

10:48:39 Only one person did, and that was Capin.

10:48:43 So looking at that tells me that the process in that wasn't

10:48:50 right.

10:48:52 And in my opinion I feel that it was -- the process was --

10:49:01 that the process was violated along with other things that I

10:49:04 read from your policy as well.

10:49:09 Now, one thing, I understand that -- one thing I do




10:49:14 understand is it clearly states that the chair should

10:49:19 decide, or conclusion of any motions or things like that

10:49:31 about how to conduct the election.

10:49:33 And reading that, the whole process was flawed, and

10:49:42 especially when than the pro tem was elected and nobody

10:49:45 raised their hand.

10:49:46 So how do we determine -- how do you determine if everybody

10:49:50 said aye when it clearly states from the clerk who was

10:49:54 conducting the election that votes will be counted by the

10:49:57 raising of the hand.

10:49:59 And to me it seems like it was out of order, when actually

10:50:05 it says the election of the chair will be held first.

10:50:11 The chair.

10:50:11 (Bell sounds).

10:50:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I will point out if you look, rules were

10:50:19 suspended in order to go back and do the pro tem first, and

10:50:22 then went back to chair.

10:50:23 So I would suggest that you look at that tape again.

10:50:25 >> Yeah, and I did.

10:50:29 And I'm reading your policies and procedures.

10:50:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I understand that.

10:50:34 Mr. Green, I would point out one thing there, was no chair

10:50:37 at the time.

10:50:37 There was no chair.

10:50:38 The chair's term ends on March 31st every year.




10:50:42 So -- sir.

10:50:43 There is no chair at that time.

10:50:45 The clerk runs the meeting.

10:50:46 The clerk is the one that institutes any of the rules and

10:50:50 any of the procedures at that time.

10:50:52 So I'm not having a discussion with you, sir.

10:50:54 I'm just --

10:50:56 >> Some of what the clerk does and I'm telling what you the

10:50:59 clerk did.

10:50:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, sir --

10:51:03 >> The chair will be elected first.

10:51:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Again, go back and you will see that we

10:51:09 suspended the rules to be go back.

10:51:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I have a question for you since you brought

10:51:13 up my name.

10:51:14 I want to know exactly what you saw.

10:51:17 Tell me again.

10:51:18 >> What I'm saying was, after you all went through the

10:51:22 process, I think it wags like on the 13th time, and

10:51:26 that's when you suspended.

10:51:28 You took a motion to vote in the pro tem.

10:51:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Correct.

10:51:35 >> That was after you elected the CRA.

10:51:39 And that actually was out of order because you needed a

10:51:43 chair to conduct business, in my opinion.




10:51:47 So after you did that, then you made a motion to vote the

10:51:54 pro tem.

10:51:55 Correct?

10:51:56 And at the time, when you took the motion, on the clerk's

10:52:01 papers that she's accepting this election, it says all votes

10:52:07 taken by the raising of the hand.

10:52:10 Is that correct?

10:52:10 And I have the paper right here.

10:52:12 Would you like to see that?

10:52:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: She's asking you a question.

10:52:17 >> So when the clerk asks all in favor, everybody says aye,

10:52:22 and Mrs. Capin was the only one, was the only one who raised

10:52:29 their hand, and that's at the 30 minute mark on the video.

10:52:32 I purchased the video.

10:52:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let me say this, then I am going to ask.

10:52:43 I made a statement that during that time when I was

10:52:48 appointed, took 17 votes, but there were 22 applicants, not

10:52:52 7.

10:52:53 So that was something that was noted.

10:52:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

10:52:59 Next, please.

10:53:00 >> I'm Ed, Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.

10:53:07 I came intending to speak about three items but it's been

10:53:12 restricted more than I realize it would be.

10:53:14 I will be able to talk about one of them when you get to




10:53:16 item 5.

10:53:17 But item 4 had an interesting twist to it.

10:53:20 There was apparently a 4-A and then a 4-B and C and D added

10:53:26 to it.

10:53:27 So I think it's open season to talk about that.

10:53:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, it isn't.

10:53:30 We are talking about the charter review, sir.

10:53:32 >> Well, I know, but then it was brought up as C and D.

10:53:40 So something I have spoken about in the past, the need for

10:53:44 City Council in order to represent the people better, that

10:53:49 you should all be given convertibles, hopefully volts.

10:53:54 But in this particular case I would say Mrs. Capin should be

10:53:59 given a Segway, and that way take the Segway into meetings

10:54:03 and she wouldn't have any parking tickets.

10:54:06 That would be better for the environment.

10:54:07 That would be better for global warming and climatic change.

10:54:11 Anyway, I leave it at that.

10:54:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Really, come on.

10:54:23 >> Segway.

10:54:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Got it.

10:54:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone else in the audience to

10:54:32 speak on item number 4, charter review discussion?

10:54:34 Sir.

10:54:35 >> Derek Chamblee, Google D-E-R-E-K-C-H-A-M-B-L-E-E.

10:54:44 Google C-Y-B-I-T-E-O.




10:54:49 Google Derrick Chairman below, citizen lawyer.

10:54:54 Google Derek Chamblee, St. Paul.

10:54:57 On the charter, the first thing is that rather than give the

10:55:03 power to a new group, almost like a new City Council, this

10:55:09 is the power that you already have.

10:55:13 Just appoint a committee, just appoint a committee to meet.

10:55:17 You can open the committee meetings up to the public.

10:55:20 You can get input from the public so it's not taking your

10:55:23 time to examine the charter.

10:55:26 I once again want to remind you, you are getting bad legal

10:55:30 advice -- and it came up whether or not you have subpoena

10:55:35 power.

10:55:37 You have subpoena power.

10:55:39 Told you that last year.

10:55:40 As far as the police review board, a strong mayor situation,

10:55:45 under review, perhaps changing the charter, just appoint a

10:55:50 committee.

10:55:51 Just appoint a committee.

10:55:53 And then whatever those recommendations that come from the

10:55:55 committee, you are going to need to vote on the language,

10:55:58 particular language along with your lawyer to put on the

10:56:02 ballot.

10:56:05 Meanwhile, the citizens aren't going to wait.

10:56:07 And we have a number of groups that are participating in a

10:56:11 recall, to hold a recall election in the spring so that we




10:56:15 get a new mayor.

10:56:16 And we read in the "Tampa Bay Times," Google "Tampa Bay

10:56:22 Times," E-N-T-E-L-I-N-T-E-R.

10:56:27 We read in the times that the mayor is thinking about

10:56:29 getting a job with the Hillary Clinton Administration should

10:56:33 Hillary Clinton win the election, and I'm deviating from the

10:56:38 charter issue, to the mayor issue, the strong mayor issue,

10:56:42 and there are those, Mr. Reed was speaking about in the

10:56:48 election of a chairman, and we found out that should Mayor

10:56:53 Bob Buckhorn decide to run for governor, he's already an

10:56:58 absentee mayor.

10:56:59 He's running around the country campaigning for presidential

10:57:03 candidate Hillary Clinton, hoping that, you know, perhaps he

10:57:07 can land a job in Washington, and at any rate, there's a

10:57:12 recall election.

10:57:13 We can get the signature.

10:57:15 We are not going to need that many signatures to get a new

10:57:18 mayor.

10:57:18 And when that occurs, and the mayor steps down or goes

10:57:23 somewhere else or gets another job, then chairman Suarez

10:57:26 would be next in line.

10:57:28 And we just feel that whoever the next mayor is, he should

10:57:34 run in the spring election and be elected by the people.

10:57:38 Thank you very much.

10:57:38 (Bell sounds).




10:57:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Anyone else in the public that would like to

10:57:42 comment on item number 4?

10:57:44 I see no one.

10:57:45 Let's move forward to item number 5.

10:57:47 We have our legal department come forward.

10:57:53 Discuss this issue.

10:57:54 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

10:57:56 I have provided to council members yesterday a charter which

10:58:02 provides to you information related to the five comparable

10:58:08 strong mayor form of government cities.

10:58:11 Interestingly enough, there is a lot of strong mayor forms

10:58:14 of government cities and most of them are relatively small,

10:58:18 so I chose the five that are comparable, and delineated

10:58:23 within that chart the process that is used for the choosing

10:58:29 of an internal auditor, the reports, the processes related

10:58:35 to that.

10:58:35 I did it actually in the way -- it does set forth exactly

10:58:45 what this process is for those cities.

10:58:47 Interestingly, three of them had their internal audit

10:58:53 function under the legislative branch of government, and

10:58:58 Orlando and St. Pete had it within their mayoral function.

10:59:03 The other thing that I thought was very interesting is the

10:59:07 use of an audit board is part of the process in many of

10:59:12 these jurisdictions.

10:59:13 I did provide you that information.




10:59:15 I am available for questions.

10:59:17 But I really think that what City Council would be really

10:59:19 need to do at this point in time is think begun what it is

10:59:22 they would like to have as part of their change, if that's

10:59:27 the way City Council would like to move forward.

10:59:30 We would need to go ahead and put that in the form of an

10:59:33 ordinance.

10:59:34 That is the ordinance that would be utilized for the

10:59:36 purposes of setting forth what would go into the referendum.

10:59:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Councilman Montelione.

10:59:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

10:59:47 So you are saying all five of these cities have a strong

10:59:49 mayor form?

10:59:51 >>JULIA MANDELL: All five cities have been determined built

10:59:54 Florida League of Cities which has a very handy listing of

10:59:56 what types of ghost each one of the municipalities is set up

11:00:02 as.

11:00:02 So all five of those are considered strong mayor forms of

11:00:04 government.

11:00:06 And are comparable in size like that.

11:00:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, St. Petersburg is on the list.

11:00:16 But it would seem to me just from watching their actions

11:00:20 that mayor Kriseman is not as strong a mayor in his powers

11:00:28 as our Mayor Buckhorn.

11:00:30 Would that be a fair assessment?




11:00:34 >>JULIA MANDELL: In terms of characterizing the strength of

11:00:36 a mayor --

11:00:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I mean, mayor Kriseman said -- I don't

11:00:45 mean individual personalities.

11:00:47 I'm talking about the role --

11:00:49 >>JULIA MANDELL: His role is a little bit difficult in that

11:00:53 T sense that, yes, the mayor has a seat at the council

11:00:56 table, or their City Council table.

11:01:00 Same thing with Orlando.

11:01:01 The Orlando mayor is a mayor commissioner.

11:01:03 However, it's really -- the way it's usually distinguished,

11:01:09 it's distinguished in how much authority is placed within

11:01:12 that mayoral role and how much authority is placed within

11:01:16 the legislative role.

11:01:18 There are differences, but in terms of categorizing them as

11:01:23 what we consider a strong mayoral form of government, the

11:01:26 Florida League of Cities has characterized them in that way

11:01:29 as my review of the charter, characterized in that way as

11:01:34 they have a level of independent administrative authority

11:01:36 and executive authority versus having their authority

11:01:39 delineate directly from the legislative branch or

11:01:43 combination.

11:01:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

11:01:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Capin.

11:01:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.




11:01:46 And out of the five strong mayors, under internal audit name

11:01:51 and designation, three are legislative branch.

11:01:55 >>JULIA MANDELL: That is correct.

11:01:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's the point right there.

11:02:02 That is what I as a City Council member am looking for,

11:02:06 which is the checks and balances that we are so fully known

11:02:13 for.

11:02:14 So I think that that is a very important part of an audit --

11:02:22 an auditor should be an independent from the executive

11:02:28 branch, if possible, to be able to be hired and fired by the

11:02:34 mayor, to me the perception is -- and perception as everyone

11:02:41 knows is everything -- that -- and then when we get an

11:02:45 audit -- I will bring it up again -- this audit -- and this

11:02:51 isn't the only one. This audit is dated May 3rd, 2016.

11:02:55 This is when it came to us.

11:02:57 This audit was conducted March of 2013.

11:03:04 It took three years to either correct the deficiencies.

11:03:09 I am not sure. I am looking through it.

11:03:11 But that is an issue.

11:03:14 That is a huge issue on how we can conduct our business here

11:03:18 if we don't get these audits on time.

11:03:21 Therefore, I believe that the legislative branch should

11:03:26 be -- and they could look at it in the charter review,

11:03:32 internal audit name and designation would be through the

11:03:37 legislative branch.




11:03:37 And I believe that's very important.

11:03:42 It would take four votes of the seven to appoint anyone as

11:03:45 opposed to one person that hires and fires the auditor.

11:03:51 That doesn't work.

11:03:52 And I think that if you go to the League of Cities, and

11:03:55 to -- as a matter of fact, I was involved right after I was

11:04:02 elected, elected officials, national association of Latin

11:04:10 elected officials, and it was an educational seminar that

11:04:15 was up in D.C., and one of the things that came up was that

11:04:22 the auditor, the auditor, needs as much independence as

11:04:28 possible.

11:04:29 And I think four votes would pretty much guarantee that as

11:04:32 opposed to one hire and fire.

11:04:36 >>JULIA MANDELL: Again I provided this information for your

11:04:38 discussion.

11:04:38 It is completely within your legislative role to delineate

11:04:43 what it is you would like to see in the ordinance, change in

11:04:46 the charter, and ultimately that goes through your ordinance

11:04:49 process, and then sog assuming it passed through council

11:04:53 would be on the ballot, that it is within your bailiwick --

11:04:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would point out that the top two the

11:05:01 legislative branch, Jacksonville and Miami, the two largest

11:05:03 cities in the State of Florida.

11:05:05 So again, I know it's for discussion.

11:05:08 That's what I am doing.




11:05:09 I am discussing it.

11:05:12 So with that, I would like to make a motion -- well, it is

11:05:17 on the charter for the audit.

11:05:25 It's included?

11:05:26 I need to include this into the charter.

11:05:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Would you like to wait till after everybody

11:05:33 has a --

11:05:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, I will do that.

11:05:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you.

11:05:39 Mrs. Mandell, let me ask you a question.

11:05:42 I don't know if you have the answer or not.

11:05:44 But when I look at Jacksonville and looking at Miami and I

11:05:46 read the small print --

11:05:49 >>JULIA MANDELL: Sorry it's so small.

11:05:50 I can't read it either.

11:05:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: And it says something about the -- this is

11:05:58 on Jacksonville -- ordinance, examination on special -- any

11:06:04 office or department, or agency of the independent -- let me

11:06:14 ask you a question.

11:06:15 On the strong form mayor of government, right?

11:06:19 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's right.

11:06:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: What role does the mayor player if they

11:06:24 request an ordinance based on this -- wharf if the role, the

11:06:35 mayor's role, I see where the City Council has got the

11:06:37 authority to make all these recommendations, requests.




11:06:41 And this is voted on by the City Council, what is the

11:06:46 mayor -- does he intervene or block this?

11:06:50 >>JULIA MANDELL: My understanding, the way it works in

11:06:52 Jacksonville, within their charter, and keeping in mind that

11:06:56 Jacksonville is consolidated with government with the

11:07:01 county.

11:07:01 The form of government, has a much larger reach, and within

11:07:08 their charter there are certain departments that directly

11:07:11 under their legislative branch, and certain departments that

11:07:15 directly under their executive branch.

11:07:17 This particular department is under the legislative branch,

11:07:21 and it's been given through charter and through ordinance

11:07:24 authority to conduct audits.

11:07:27 And obligate it is mayor to be -- to allow his departments

11:07:32 to be audited or -- I'm not sure -- to be audited, and is

11:07:37 obligating the mayor to allow that to occur.

11:07:40 It doesn't necessarily obligate the mayor to implement,

11:07:45 because if it's within the mayor's bailiwick, then that

11:07:48 would be a decision he would have to or she would have to

11:07:51 make.

11:07:52 So that's why it's important to look at these strong mayor

11:07:55 forms of government and seeing how these are set up because

11:07:59 that's information component, in a strong mayor form of

11:08:02 government is different, and either a weak form of

11:08:06 government or alternatively a council administrator form of




11:08:10 government.

11:08:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: Soap in Jacksonville and Miami, I see

11:08:16 where the commissioner can -- if someone put a motion

11:08:21 forward, if there is majority, four votes to turn this

11:08:27 request down.

11:08:28 And Miami and Jacksonville is basically similar by the

11:08:35 legislative branch and not the executive branch?

11:08:37 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's correct.

11:08:38 And actually both of their auditing functions are very well

11:08:42 delineated within their charter, as well as with an

11:08:47 ordinance.

11:08:50 And it is direct authority that comes from the legislative

11:08:53 branch, but again you ask a question of implementation and

11:08:58 where the authority comes from for implementation.

11:09:01 A lot of these the way they characterize their auditing

11:09:05 function is it is intended to be a balance with the mayoral

11:09:13 and executive function in order to give that legislative

11:09:19 branch, at least examine that function as opposed to

11:09:25 intended to be part of internalized -- for example,

11:09:29 St. Pete, interestingly enough -- and I'm sorry I am kind of

11:09:32 wavering on this because I think as a counter point has

11:09:35 nothing in their charter related to an internal audit

11:09:37 function, nothing in their code related to an internal audit

11:09:40 function.

11:09:41 It is wholly and completely a department set up by the mayor




11:09:45 under the mayor's authority through a specialized charter

11:09:48 that the mayor has signed.

11:09:50 And so from that perspective it's intended to be something

11:09:53 that is the mayor's check, him or herself, versus a

11:09:59 legislative check on the executive function.

11:10:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: My final question is if we want to have

11:10:05 greater input and request an audit, we want to have this

11:10:12 charter review board, charter review commission to review

11:10:17 our request to have greater input, it seems to me that we

11:10:20 will need to have discussion by moving it from the executive

11:10:23 branch, what administration has full control of audit to the

11:10:28 legislative branch to give more leverage and more input.

11:10:34 Is that correct in my interpretation?

11:10:37 >>JULIA MANDELL: As I said it's completely as part of your

11:10:39 charter review function and part of your legislative

11:10:42 function to make those determinations, to go ahead and pass

11:10:48 ordinance to be allow that change to occur, and if it's this

11:10:51 council's will, from whatever purview, to go ahead and make

11:10:56 those kind of changes, that is entirely within your function

11:11:01 that we think it should be better under the legislative

11:11:04 branch or some kind of joint -- however it is you make that

11:11:07 call, it goes through the process, and the mayor as an

11:11:12 ordinance has an opportunity -- would have an opportunity to

11:11:17 override it assuming it passes, it goes to the referendum.

11:11:21 Those are really fully your discussions to have and whether




11:11:24 you think it's functional or not.

11:11:25 But keep in mind the norm for these types of strong mayor

11:11:30 forms of government is as a check, but doesn't take over

11:11:34 that implementation function.

11:11:36 So I think that's a significant distinction.

11:11:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, chair.

11:11:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before I ask for a second round, Mr. Cohen.

11:11:49 >>HARRY COHEN: I want to follow up because I think that

11:11:54 really the heart of the issue is where this power is going

11:11:57 to lie.

11:11:58 And, you know, we discussed one option of proposing a change

11:12:06 for this November's ballot.

11:12:08 We also -- it appears we'll have the option of giving this

11:12:12 to the charter review board to discuss for 2018.

11:12:15 We can go either way.

11:12:16 The one thing that struck me while Councilman Reddick was

11:12:22 questioning you about this and we are looking at this matrix

11:12:24 is that I don't know if we can really flesh out the

11:12:33 structure we would want and get it on the ballot in 2016 and

11:12:38 be prepared to really have a full community discussion about

11:12:42 it, or whether or not it needs the time from the review

11:12:48 board.

11:12:48 And here is my fear.

11:12:50 My fear is if we put it on without it being particularly

11:12:54 well thought out and it failed, we are done with the




11:12:58 discussion and it's going to undermine the effort.

11:13:01 This is what I think Councilwoman Capin said about the three

11:13:07 out of the four, you know.

11:13:09 It is three out of the four, but there's a fourth one where

11:13:12 there's still at least some limited council involvement.

11:13:15 It seems to me that only St. Petersburg really doesn't have

11:13:21 any council involvement at all, and in some of these places

11:13:25 where they have consolidated governments, you know, they may

11:13:30 have an elected auditor.

11:13:33 A lot of these counties, the clerk is the county auditor.

11:13:35 If that person is directly elected, I'm not sure, but I

11:13:39 don't think Duval county is one of the ones where they have

11:13:42 lost that power.

11:13:43 I think they have that power.

11:13:45 >>JULIA MANDELL: Well, the city of Jacksonville retained

11:13:48 that part under their charter even though they have a

11:13:51 consolidated function, and none of the governments that I

11:13:54 did look at -- and I look at some non-strong mayor form of

11:13:57 governments as well -- had an elected auditor.

11:14:01 If the function either came from the executive branch, if

11:14:04 there is they're was a separate executive branch, or from

11:14:07 the legislative branch, if it was a mission from the

11:14:13 government with an administrator or weak mayor system when

11:14:17 you really had the mayor sitting as almost like a super

11:14:20 council member, but not really being the sole executive




11:14:26 function running through that weak mayor.

11:14:29 So I am not saying there's not one out there.

11:14:33 But I have not seen from a municipal standpoint any form of

11:14:37 elected --

11:14:39 >>HARRY COHEN: I would just finish my comment by saying

11:14:41 that this is a very complicated -- this is a more

11:14:46 complicated analysis, I think, than just who has the power.

11:14:51 There's all sorts of options for having to divide it up and

11:14:55 creating the checks and balances that I think everyone is

11:14:57 looking for.

11:14:58 And there's nab question.

11:14:59 Councilwoman Capin pointed out this audit.

11:15:02 But we know there's been a real frustration from the council

11:15:04 about getting the audits timely and really having any

11:15:07 ability to have input into them.

11:15:12 So a lot of food for thought here, I think.

11:15:15 >>JULIA MANDELL: If I can just add onto that.

11:15:18 I certainly wasn't expecting it to be as complicated as big

11:15:23 of a policy issue when I first started working on it.

11:15:27 And she called all of these jurisdictions, she called the

11:15:36 national league of municipalities.

11:15:39 I was on the Florida league.

11:15:40 We both had communication was them.

11:15:43 There is a definite policy component to this conversation

11:15:48 that I think you need to consider, because certainly it is a




11:15:51 function that could be a significant function for every

11:15:57 governmental entity.

11:15:58 So you know, in my research -- and you probably know this

11:16:01 already -- there's also external guide lanes for internal

11:16:05 auditors, similar to attorneys where they have rules and

11:16:08 regulations they need to follow in terms of their

11:16:11 independence.

11:16:11 The same thing goes with independent auditors, and they have

11:16:18 licenses to maintain, et cetera, so you have a level of

11:16:20 professionalism that just generally comes with that level of

11:16:23 an office while at the same time recognizing that there

11:16:26 is -- that it is a balance against whatever activity is

11:16:32 occurring within a governmental entity, and then you also,

11:16:35 as I said, have implementation function which is just as

11:16:38 important.

11:16:39 So I think it goes to show that this is, over time, become a

11:16:43 much bigger question in some of these larger jurisdictions,

11:16:48 with saint really on some level being the outlier because

11:16:51 they had nothing in their charter.

11:16:52 There's in a obligation for them to even have this other

11:16:55 than the mayor implementing it on their behalf.

11:16:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: My apologies to Mrs. Montelione.

11:17:03 This is your first bite at the apple.

11:17:05 I apologize.

11:17:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The first one was just to clarify the




11:17:09 form of governments.

11:17:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: My apologies.

11:17:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am going to try to get through all of

11:17:14 this.

11:17:15 I think we are making this more complicated than it needs to

11:17:18 be.

11:17:19 I think when we first brought this up, we had two very

11:17:25 simple things in mind.

11:17:28 And the way I see this is that the mayor would still be

11:17:30 requesting the majority of their audits.

11:17:34 As the chief administrator and having the responsibility of

11:17:38 the departments reporting to the mayor and having weekly

11:17:42 staff meetings, whoever the mayor is, is going to be able to

11:17:46 see some problems rise over time through their staff

11:17:49 meetings, and as any manager would through her direct

11:17:55 reports.

11:17:55 There are things that start to come up in staff meetings,

11:17:59 that the rest of us in the general public may not see.

11:18:02 So I still see most of the audit would be requested by the

11:18:07 mayor.

11:18:09 As we said, I think that most of us, saw this request to put

11:18:18 this on the ballot in 2016 to do two things.

11:18:21 One would be giving the council the authority to require an

11:18:27 audit of the city auditor.

11:18:30 So if there was something that came to our attention, after




11:18:34 discussion with our council, fellow council members, we

11:18:38 would have the ability to direct the city audit, to conduct

11:18:43 that audit.

11:18:44 I think we even talked about limiting that to three or four

11:18:53 audits -- a simple majority vote.

11:18:56 So I think we already set out some of that groundwork.

11:19:02 It wouldn't be the entire audit department reporting to us

11:19:04 as maybe some other jurisdictions V.it would simply be the

11:19:07 ability for us to request an audit of the city auditor by

11:19:13 super majority, if things come to us that may be the mayor's

11:19:21 priority list or come to their attention.

11:19:25 The other is that we would have the audits delivered to us

11:19:31 at the same time that they are delivered to the mayor's

11:19:34 office, and that would solve some of the problems we have

11:19:38 talked about before, getting the audits way, way, way after

11:19:42 they are initially implemented.

11:19:43 So I would support a position that would say when an audit

11:19:50 is requested and the city auditor engages in that process to

11:19:57 audit a department, we are notified that XYZ department is

11:20:01 being audited, where a schedule is given to us on a

11:20:07 quarterly basis of what audits are in process, so we would

11:20:11 be able to see when the audit was started, when it's in

11:20:16 process and what is a reasonable time to expect that audit

11:20:18 to be delivered.

11:20:20 And those all.




11:20:21 I mean, I don't know that we have to have this tremendous

11:20:24 conversation about, you know, the community input.

11:20:29 You know, the voices of the community are very important.

11:20:33 We meet every Thursday at council sessions.

11:20:36 We get e-mails from them.

11:20:38 But the process of audit, as I see it, is two very simple

11:20:43 positions.

11:20:44 And I would like to see this in '16.

11:20:49 Thank you.

11:20:52 >>HARRY COHEN: It would seem to me you could do both.

11:20:55 Could you do two simple provisions in 16 but still have a

11:20:57 full-fledged examination of the issue by the charter review

11:21:01 board.

11:21:02 I think it would certainly be an appropriate function for

11:21:04 them.

11:21:04 I think you make a good point about the two narrow issues.

11:21:12 We did make a decision about the simple majority.

11:21:14 Mrs. Capin.

11:21:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, agree, agree, agree on all of that.

11:21:20 And we do hear from the constituents, except I go meet them.

11:21:32 We all go meet them.

11:21:33 The way I understood, if it still works this way from the

11:21:36 previous auditor that was here at the city, that the auditor

11:21:41 suggests to the mayor maybe four or five departments that

11:21:48 the auditor feels should be looked at.




11:21:50 The mayor picks the ones that the auditor is going to look

11:21:53 at.

11:21:56 That's the way the auditor explained to the me.

11:21:58 >>JULIA MANDELL: That is my understanding, that the audit,

11:22:02 the internal auditor comes forward -- and that's the same.

11:22:08 I think it's the norm.

11:22:09 You come forward with a list of the auditor and the

11:22:11 department that hasn't been audited for a while, or there's

11:22:16 some formula that they come to, they come up with their

11:22:20 list.

11:22:20 That list would go to whoever is the ones that is

11:22:25 responsible for that function.

11:22:28 The mayor under these forms of government, is either through

11:22:31 an audit committee or City Council for that list,

11:22:35 recommendations are made, changes are made, and there's a

11:22:37 final list, and as the auditor goes through those -- that

11:22:41 list, the audit moves forward, and there's also the ability

11:22:46 to call for special audits both within our administrative

11:22:50 function as well as under all of these other ways that they

11:22:56 are set up.

11:22:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: The only thing that I don't know if the

11:23:01 auditor prioritizes as to where the most important need

11:23:07 might be.

11:23:10 When they bring the list to the mayor for him to choose

11:23:13 which ones are going to be audited.




11:23:20 So that right there -- again, I would -- this would be for

11:23:27 the charter, and maybe later, because there's more to this.

11:23:31 And, you know, when we look at this, I am looking at

11:23:36 Jacksonville, Miami, Orlando and West Palm Beach.

11:23:40 I totally X'ed off St. Pete.

11:23:43 What I am looking at is that when the auditors request a

11:23:47 true -- the internal audit report to, City Council, City

11:23:55 Commission, city management, audit committee, that's what we

11:23:58 are talking about.

11:24:00 It needs to, at the minimum, at the minimum, come to City

11:24:05 Council.

11:24:06 And at the same time that it comes to the mayor.

11:24:09 And that is, I think, what we were talking about was it

11:24:15 needed to be -- and timely, at the same time.

11:24:19 >>JULIA MANDELL: My only concern from a legal perspective

11:24:25 about that, given the form of government you had and where

11:24:28 the internal audit function is, when you have a draft, that

11:24:35 is not a public record.

11:24:36 I can't say without researching it more fully whether or not

11:24:42 that internal audit function isn't directly under the

11:24:45 legislative branch.

11:24:46 Under our form right now, whether or not by giving it to

11:24:49 City Council members as a draft, it now becomes a public

11:24:53 record.

11:24:53 I don't have the answer to that.




11:24:55 But that is something that I think you need to know prior to

11:24:58 making that --

11:25:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: According to our charter --

11:25:04 >>JULIA MANDELL: No.

11:25:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So it's a public record in Jacksonville,

11:25:08 eights public record in --

11:25:09 >>JULIA MANDELL: No, this is what I need to research.

11:25:12 Yes, in Jacksonville.

11:25:13 In those jurisdictions where it is within the bailiwick of

11:25:18 the legislative body to have that function performed under

11:25:21 them, they do receive draft support.

11:25:24 And I imagine that they are not public records.

11:25:26 I haven't had those conversations with them yet.

11:25:29 And I want to.

11:25:31 What I do not --

11:25:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: What you want to find out is how and why

11:25:35 they are not public records?

11:25:37 >>JULIA MANDELL: Under Florida statute they are not public

11:25:39 record.

11:25:40 Under Florida Statute, they are not public record until they

11:25:44 become final.

11:25:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:25:46 >>JULIA MANDELL: What I don't know is say we keep the

11:25:51 function directly under the mayor as it is right now, but

11:25:56 you put in either the charter or some form of an ordinance




11:25:59 that it is to come to City Council as a draft.

11:26:03 What I don't know without researching it further is whether

11:26:05 or not you lose that exemption as not being a public record.

11:26:11 And before you make that decision I feel that's something

11:26:14 you would want to nobody.

11:26:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And it is a draft until the mayor signs it?

11:26:18 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's correct.

11:26:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So in order to make that happen, it would

11:26:23 have to be a charter -- maybe the charter review, but on the

11:26:28 charter, the internal audit name and designation be

11:26:32 legislative.

11:26:32 >>JULIA MANDELL: What I am saying is I don't have the

11:26:35 answer to that question without having researched that

11:26:37 specific point.

11:26:38 So again, it is up to you to decide how you want to change

11:26:42 your charter.

11:26:42 But I'm just saying if you wanted to keep the charter in its

11:26:45 current form and just say that City Council can ask for a

11:26:49 certain number of audits, and that all audits come to City

11:26:54 Council as a draft at the same time they go to the mayor as

11:26:57 a draft, I would want to be able to advise whether or not

11:27:02 coming to you -- it would be an exemption of the public

11:27:07 record.

11:27:07 And that's my only issue and concern that I am bringing to

11:27:10 your attention.




11:27:11 And I'm happy to research it.

11:27:13 I just wanted you to be aware of it.

11:27:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So when it is the function of the

11:27:18 legislative branch to name and designate the internal audit,

11:27:24 then the draft is not sunshine.

11:27:29 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's not what I am saying exactly.

11:27:33 What I'm saying is I don't know if they have lost the

11:27:36 exemption because it is going to their City Council or their

11:27:39 audit board.

11:27:41 I will say that if it's under the legislative branch I would

11:27:46 imagine there's a better argument for it.

11:27:48 But I just don't the answer to be T that question.

11:27:51 I would need to find that out.

11:27:52 I just wanted to bring that to your attention to let you

11:27:54 know that that is something that we would need to consider

11:27:58 in moving forward.

11:27:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:28:02 We just voted for the 2016 to put the two items on the

11:28:11 ballot.

11:28:12 Correct?

11:28:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, not yet.

11:28:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I thought we did.

11:28:18 It was brought up.

11:28:19 Okay.

11:28:22 I would like to know more about these legislative branch




11:28:26 appointments and the reports and how that works.

11:28:30 So I move that the city attorney bring us back that

11:28:38 information -- I'm sorry.

11:28:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you want it to come back July 14th?

11:28:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is that when we are coming?

11:28:54 Can we get it sooner?

11:28:56 >>JULIA MANDELL: I would be happy to come back on the

11:29:01 23rd meeting to give a report on that particular -- to

11:29:04 be able to report back on that particular issue.

11:29:07 I might even be able to do it in the form of a memo.

11:29:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, great.

11:29:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Perfect.

11:29:13 So we have the motion.

11:29:15 23rd of June.

11:29:16 We have a motion from Mrs. Capin.

11:29:18 I have a second from Mr. Cohen.

11:29:20 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

11:29:23 Any opposed?

11:29:24 Mrs. Montelione.

11:29:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Excuse me. I am not going to be here the

11:29:30 23rd.

11:29:31 I will be in D.C. at a round table.

11:29:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am not going to be here for the

11:29:36 charter resolution either because that was also put on the

11:29:39 23rd.




11:29:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: 23rd?

11:29:41 I will be in Washington, D.C.

11:29:45 At a round table.

11:29:47 That's a done deal.

11:29:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

11:29:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione.

11:29:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Again I think we are making this too

11:29:59 complicated.

11:29:59 Mrs. Mandell, as it states, I have stated -- it is stated in

11:30:10 our charter it is a draft until the mayor signs it.

11:30:13 Correct?

11:30:13 >>JULIA MANDELL: Correct.

11:30:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: As a draft, it is under seal, if you

11:30:20 will.

11:30:20 >>JULIA MANDELL: There's an exemption of public records law

11:30:24 for that particular document.

11:30:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: All I am asking and what I stated before

11:30:28 is that it be delivered to us at the same time that it's

11:30:30 delivered to the mayor.

11:30:31 Still unsigned.

11:30:32 >>JULIA MANDELL: What I am saying-oaf.

11:30:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it is still an unsigned document,

11:30:37 state law in our charter says that our charter -- that it is

11:30:42 not a public record.

11:30:43 >>JULIA MANDELL: I don't know -- what I am concerned about




11:30:47 and I, is by having it go to the body that is not

11:30:52 responsible for the audit function, whether or not by

11:30:57 disseminating it loses that exemption.

11:31:00 That is all.

11:31:03 I just don't want -- I feel that it would without

11:31:07 researching it and looking at it.

11:31:08 The other thing I want to look at is I want to find out if

11:31:13 other jurisdictions that have it go to either an audit board

11:31:17 or go to their City Council or whatever their designation

11:31:22 is, that it's their opinion by going to a board versus going

11:31:25 to an individual, whether or not -- I just need to be able

11:31:29 to research it.

11:31:30 That's my point.

11:31:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mrs. Mandell, by changing the charter

11:31:33 the way we are suggesting that it be changed, aren't we also

11:31:36 changing the function is no longer --

11:31:44 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's nominate what I heard the intent.

11:31:45 What I am suggesting to you is I need to be able to

11:31:49 research.

11:31:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm saying by giving council the

11:31:52 authority to request audits, doesn't that fundamentally

11:31:56 change how the charter states it right now?

11:31:59 Because right now the City Council is not authorized to

11:32:02 request audits.

11:32:03 >>JULIA MANDELL: I am simply saying that it's a nuance that




11:32:08 I think it's very that I go ahead and take a look at --

11:32:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I agree it's important.

11:32:13 >>JULIA MANDELL: I don't want to answer --

11:32:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And make it way more complicated than it

11:32:23 needs to be.

11:32:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could, I haven't spoken yet if I could

11:32:26 make some comments about this.

11:32:28 I have two things.

11:32:29 I am going to take up your suggestion, Mrs. Montelione.

11:32:34 I think that because she doesn't nobody the answer to it

11:32:37 doesn't mean the answer isn't the same answer that you are

11:32:39 coming up with.

11:32:40 But that's all she wants to Don is be able to research it

11:32:42 because I think that a limited power that we have talked

11:32:46 about, which is to either issue one or three audits through

11:32:50 the course of the year, do a super majority.

11:32:52 I don't think it automatically gives us the executive

11:32:56 exemption that's part of the Florida statute.

11:33:02 That's I think part of the problem that she's coming up with

11:33:04 and what she wants us to look at.

11:33:06 Secondly, we always have to look at what the balance of

11:33:08 power is.

11:33:09 We are not taking over the audit function.

11:33:10 And the difference between some of these other

11:33:12 municipalities and -- there is a very important distinction.




11:33:16 All of them, except for us, essentially were City Council

11:33:23 weak-mayor government for the most part.

11:33:26 St. Pete is one of the newest one in the way it changed.

11:33:29 It became a strong mayor government probably 20 years ago is

11:33:32 my guess or probably less than that.

11:33:33 And these part of the reason why they still have an 8-person

11:33:36 board, with a 9th vote as the quote-unquote mayor.

11:33:40 The in nature of the mayor's duties has changed

11:33:42 significantly in St. Petersburg than they were say back in

11:33:46 the 80s.

11:33:48 That's one of the things that we need to remember.

11:33:50 We always have had -- and I don't know the time frame but we

11:33:53 had a strong mayor government for many years.

11:33:57 We may be the oldest strong mayor government in the state in

11:34:00 a city our size if I am not mistaken. Anyway, the questions

11:34:05 that we have had in our previous discussion before today,

11:34:08 and what we are talking about today, which is a limited form

11:34:12 of two things, one, a timely reporting back to us of the

11:34:16 audit so that we have the ability to change those things,

11:34:21 whether they are budgetary, or suggestions administratively,

11:34:26 or even change ordinances or resolutions to make the

11:34:28 administration do certain things that we would like them to

11:34:31 do based on the fact that the audit has come back with

11:34:34 certain answers to questions or certain performances that

11:34:38 were put as part of the audit.




11:34:39 So I think that's a clear delineation that is not a function

11:34:44 of the executive, but -- excuse me, not a function of us as

11:34:48 an executive, but requiring them to come back, and if that's

11:34:54 a charter review requirement, we will make that a charter

11:34:56 review requirement, and I think a time frame can be settled

11:34:59 between ourselves and the mayor in terms of an 90-day or

11:35:03 120-day, whatever that may be, we will come up with that

11:35:06 number so that the mayor would have to come back to us after

11:35:10 a draft audit had been presented by our auditor.

11:35:13 That's the first thing.

11:35:14 Okay.

11:35:15 The second thing of course is that super majority to

11:35:19 initiate some audits of our own, I think it's important.

11:35:24 Here is why. Balance should always be, what is the mayor's

11:35:27 administration doing at that particular time, any mayor,

11:35:30 doesn't matter who it is, and whether or not they are

11:35:33 actually administering the city in a proper manner, and

11:35:36 actually making sure that those people that work under the

11:35:39 administration of that particular mayor are following the

11:35:42 rules, are making sure they are doing things the right way,

11:35:46 that they are not wasting money, that they are being more

11:35:48 efficient.

11:35:48 The only way that we can measure that is through an audit.

11:35:51 For us to not know or not have it in a timely manner makes

11:35:55 our job much more difficult.




11:35:57 So I think it's a fairly simple and I think a reasonable

11:36:00 request to make that go forward.

11:36:01 And I think that all of us have said that in different ways

11:36:05 but definitely all in agreement that we are not asking to

11:36:08 remove any kind of powers from the mayor specifically.

11:36:11 We are looking at nibbling at the edges to make sure that

11:36:14 when we want to have an audit, we should have it timely, and

11:36:19 secondly if we want to initiate an audit that we have a

11:36:22 limited power to initiate that audit.

11:36:24 So the two issues that I think we are going to deal with are

11:36:26 the two as Mrs. Montelione had mentioned and what we have

11:36:29 discussed which is whether or not we can put the time

11:36:32 frame -- and I would ask that the legal department to answer

11:36:35 this question -- if that can be done by ordinance or does it

11:36:38 have to be done by charter, the limitation on the time frame

11:36:42 of the audit be delivered to council.

11:36:46 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

11:36:48 I think that could be put in the charter, or alternatively

11:36:52 language put in the charter which says that it will be --

11:36:56 that there is limited number or number of audits

11:37:02 requested --

11:37:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me interrupt you.

11:37:04 The question is time frame of delivery of audit, not the

11:37:07 other issue.

11:37:08 >>JULIA MANDELL: Could you either do it in the charter or




11:37:11 put it into an ordinance.

11:37:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So we have the option of doing either one.

11:37:15 I think the more significant discussion concerning

11:37:17 initiating audit probably would have to be as part of the

11:37:20 charter, because that's the way that our charter currently

11:37:24 reads.

11:37:25 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's correct.

11:37:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I wanted to bring that out because we might

11:37:28 be able to do one, and that doesn't have the same time frame

11:37:31 we are looking at in terms of putting best the voters but

11:37:34 the second one definitely we need to be able to put before

11:37:36 the voters.

11:37:37 I just want to clarify that so we understand that we do have

11:37:40 the power to do at least one of those but probably not both

11:37:43 of those.

11:37:44 Mrs. Capin will be first.

11:37:46 I finished my comments.

11:37:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I want to amend my motion from June

11:37:51 23rd.

11:37:53 And that's what I asked for, exactly.

11:37:55 Everybody has talked it.

11:37:57 But what I asked for was for our attorneys to come back and

11:38:01 give us a report on the exactly how the sunshine works or

11:38:07 doesn't work with the legislative branch.

11:38:09 >>JULIA MANDELL: Well, I'm answering what you now posed to




11:38:19 me as a hybrid but I can't answer.

11:38:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I know, but what we discussed before I made

11:38:25 the motion was that -- to know when the legislative branch

11:38:29 is in charge of designating the auditor, requesting the

11:38:35 audit, then the City Council and the City Commission, which

11:38:41 is in Miami and Jacksonville, are exempt from public

11:38:47 records.

11:38:48 >>JULIA MANDELL: I imagine what they are, but what they are

11:38:50 suggesting is a hybrid of that and that's what I still don't

11:38:52 have an answer for.

11:38:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Then you have an answer for the other one?

11:38:56 >>JULIA MANDELL: Because it's listed as a hybrid.

11:39:04 Everybody.

11:39:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Pleas read back the motion.

11:39:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Capin, if I could, I think there are

11:39:08 two separate and distinct issues.

11:39:12 One is when we talk about initiating those audits -- and I

11:39:17 think this is legitimate question when we are asking for

11:39:19 those timely drafts to come back to us -- if we look at the

11:39:23 draft to become a public document at that point and that's

11:39:27 the only question she wanted to have answered after further

11:39:30 research.

11:39:30 I think that's one point, if I am correct.

11:39:33 >>JULIA MANDELL: That assumes that the function of the

11:39:35 auditor stays under the executive branch.




11:39:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Correct.

11:39:40 >>JULIA MANDELL: That's different than Jacksonville or

11:39:43 Orlando.

11:39:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I want to know how Jacksonville and

11:39:46 Orlando, we will get the report, and that's what my motion

11:39:50 wags.

11:39:50 Going to look at it, and how the City Council, City

11:39:54 Commission, and their role of sunshine or not --

11:40:01 >>JULIA MANDELL: A legislative branch.

11:40:03 That's what I asked to get more information on.

11:40:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.

11:40:06 >>JULIA MANDELL: Because it's assuming that the function is

11:40:08 staying under the executive branch as it is right now in the

11:40:10 City of Tampa, but having the legislative branch also

11:40:14 receiving that draft audit.

11:40:17 And I don't have an answer, as I stand here, asker to

11:40:21 whether or not under the sunshine law, since the function is

11:40:24 not under the legislative branch, that would be problematic.

11:40:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: So then you knew the answer before I made

11:40:29 the motion because the legislative branch in Jacksonville

11:40:33 and Miami that the City Commission is not sunshine?

11:40:39 >>JULIA MANDELL: I'm sorry if I am not answering your

11:40:41 question.

11:40:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Read my motion, please, if you can.

11:40:47 No?




11:40:47 You can't?

11:40:49 It's not there?

11:40:54 What does it say?

11:40:55 >>THE CLERK: It says come back on the 23rd, and she

11:40:59 says she will put out a memo to the questions, and that's

11:41:05 what I have down for right now.

11:41:07 I will go back down and listen to the video.

11:41:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Anyway, I am going to amend that to June

11:41:13 23rd.

11:41:14 I am not going to be here.

11:41:15 So I want to amend my motion to July 14.

11:41:18 And I apologize to anyone in here.

11:41:20 And again I am going to be real specific here.

11:41:25 To look at Jacksonville and Miami who are comparable cities,

11:41:31 actually larger, and their budget, particularly Miami, very

11:41:37 large.

11:41:38 Here we go.

11:41:43 How, since it's the legislative branch, when the audit is

11:41:46 requested, after the audit is requested, who does the

11:41:51 internal audit report to?

11:41:52 Here is the City Council and commission.

11:41:55 The discussion went -- I want to know how sunshine or not,

11:42:03 because it's legislative, we didn't know the answer to that.

11:42:06 That's what I wanted to know.

11:42:09 How that -- okay, we got it?




11:42:12 No?

11:42:18 Okay.

11:42:19 When the audit, the office of the council of the audit per

11:42:26 charter is under the legislative branch in Jacksonville,

11:42:29 Miami, it was stated that it could not come to us as a draft

11:42:36 because it would be sunshine.

11:42:37 I want to know how it happens in Jacksonville and Miami that

11:42:42 it does come to City Council and commission.

11:42:46 That's the question.

11:42:51 Whether July 14.

11:42:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before you go to discussion, are you done?

11:43:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

11:43:05 I have another motion.

11:43:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Capin.

11:43:07 I have a second from Mr. Cohen.

11:43:10 He wanted discussion.

11:43:11 >>HARRY COHEN: I just wanted to be clear.

11:43:13 The question that Councilwoman Montelione raised regarding

11:43:16 who Ask and when, that's coming back on the 23rd

11:43:19 already.

11:43:22 This issue for the 14th --

11:43:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let him finish his comment then we can go to

11:43:28 questions.

11:43:28 >>HARRY COHEN: I thought it was already scheduled to come

11:43:32 back on the 23rd.




11:43:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's what the clerk has.

11:43:36 Finish your comment.

11:43:36 >>HARRY COHEN: Councilman Capin is asking a separate

11:43:40 question here, correct?

11:43:41 >> Right.

11:43:43 >>HARRY COHEN: I just want to make one comment.

11:43:46 It's not really toward the motion.

11:43:49 And that is, remember that any draft that would be presented

11:43:55 to City Council at the same time as the mayor, whether it's

11:43:58 a public record or not, is there seven copies of it that get

11:44:04 distributed here, it's going to be a public document

11:44:07 regardless in the sense that, you know, Mr. Daniels sent it

11:44:12 and all of our friends are certainly going to get ahold of

11:44:16 it when it's in draft form.

11:44:19 So we just need to be aware of the fact as we move through

11:44:22 what the schedule is going to be that at some point these

11:44:26 issues are going to be floated publicly regardless of

11:44:29 whether it's public or not.

11:44:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Maybe we have to change the charter that

11:44:35 the auditor is named by City Council.

11:44:37 I want to nobody how they do in the Jacksonville and

11:44:39 MySpace.

11:44:40 And I understand that.

11:44:41 And it's the 14th.

11:44:43 We have the motion.




11:44:44 Then I have another motion.

11:44:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A comment on that motion, Mrs. Montelione?

11:44:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The only thing I wrote down is coming

11:44:53 back on the 23rd is the discussion for the item number

11:44:59 4, which is referencing the same as came back in the

11:45:06 strategic Planning Commission.

11:45:10 Item number 4.

11:45:11 So how is it coming back?

11:45:16 >>HARRY COHEN: So I was under the impression -- and if I am

11:45:18 mistaken we need to clarify it now so we know when we are

11:45:22 getting when.

11:45:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because I didn't make a motion.

11:45:25 >>HARRY COHEN: I was under the impression that the issue of

11:45:27 the ballot language for 2016 related to the two points that

11:45:30 you made, which were the super majority and -- what was the

11:45:37 other one?

11:45:39 The delivery of the draft, that those were coming back on

11:45:43 the 23rd.

11:45:44 That's not the case, maybe there needs to be a motion made

11:45:47 for that.

11:45:48 But the reason I picked that one that it needs to come back

11:45:51 sooner, we are running out of time on that.

11:45:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's my point.

11:45:55 >>HARRY COHEN: Yours is a broader question.

11:45:57 >> Deliver a memo.




11:46:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Hang on.

11:46:07 I will recognize you if you wait a moment.

11:46:10 Go ahead, ma'am.

11:46:11 Your turn.

11:46:13 Go ahead.

11:46:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's hard for me to speak to begin with,

11:46:17 and then I get spoken over and I get interrupted.

11:46:19 I was not finished.

11:46:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Please continue.

11:46:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It's difficult for me to have the

11:46:28 strength to put this out.

11:46:29 But if we wait until the 14th for the elementary legal

11:46:35 department to come back, we will be past the time to be

11:46:38 clarify language to get it on the ballot because I'm sure

11:46:41 after the 14th there will be more discussion and there

11:46:44 will be another motion.

11:46:45 So we need to get on the 23rd.

11:46:48 We need to get this back and we need to vote on it and we

11:46:51 need to move forward.

11:46:53 We can't be putting this off down the road because we will

11:46:56 run out of time and it will not be on the '16 ballot and

11:47:00 this audit section is the most important thing that we can

11:47:03 do as a council.

11:47:06 It is vital that we pass this -- and I don't want to keep

11:47:14 putting it off.




11:47:15 So, madam clerk, is it going to come back on the 23rd,

11:47:22 to request the language to put it on the ballot?

11:47:24 >> No.

11:47:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's what I thought.

11:47:33 So the motion to come back on the 23rd for the items

11:47:37 contained in this memorandum, and --

11:47:42 We have a motion on the floor.

11:47:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I want to -- yes.

11:47:46 Here we go.

11:47:47 I agree with Councilwoman Montelione.

11:47:49 We don't need to kick the can down the road.

11:47:52 We have done enough of that.

11:47:54 Here is the thing.

11:47:59 Mrs. Mandell, you said you could do it as early as when as a

11:48:04 memorandum object?

11:48:05 Just so that we have the information when it comes back.

11:48:07 >>JULIA MANDELL: I could probably have a memo done in the

11:48:11 next week to ten days.

11:48:12 Wouldn't be a problem at all.

11:48:14 So if you want me to have that ready for you for the

11:48:16 23rd, that's fine.

11:48:18 Whatever you would like.

11:48:19 I do think that both of those issues should be put out at

11:48:22 the same time.

11:48:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I agree.




11:48:25 I won't be here.

11:48:26 I took my fellow -- trust my fellow council members will do

11:48:29 the right thing.

11:48:30 You know what?

11:48:30 I mate call in my vote.

11:48:32 I think I am going to do that on the 23rd.

11:48:34 I am going to be in D.C. but I can call in and listen to the

11:48:37 discussion and that's what I am going to do.

11:48:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You have a choice, Mrs. Capin.

11:48:41 You can either change the date do it 2nd if she's able

11:48:43 to get something out that quickly or do as you mentioned

11:48:46 call in during that time.

11:48:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Well, where to come in at the same time, it

11:48:53 would behoove the council to have as much information as

11:48:57 possible.

11:48:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I wanted to give you the opportunity.

11:49:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I understand.

11:49:01 >>JULIA MANDELL: And at the same time, if it's going to be

11:49:05 the motion of council to ask for an ordinance of the changes

11:49:09 you are discussing we can do all of that at the same time

11:49:12 and after that if you are deciding on the ordinance, you can

11:49:15 also be informed on the sunshine law issue that I have

11:49:19 raised, and then go forward in that manner.

11:49:22 So it would be -- June 23rd.

11:49:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I want the information before June




11:49:31 23rd.

11:49:32 To get it to us in memo is fine.

11:49:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: She's making a suggestion you get it back to

11:49:38 us in memo form prior to the June 23rd date.

11:49:41 And you made a commitment --

11:49:43 >>JULIA MANDELL: Yes.

11:49:45 >>HARRY COHEN: If I may make a suggestion.

11:49:47 We only, on the 16th, we have a workshop and a budget

11:49:51 workshop.

11:49:51 And we have not a large workshop calendar.

11:49:56 Perhaps we could do a special call on the 16th.

11:50:01 Deal with this issue separately.

11:50:02 Everyone will be here.

11:50:04 And that will give us the time.

11:50:05 That will give her the time.

11:50:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:50:09 So I am going to change to the -- well, I already made my

11:50:12 motion.

11:50:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I would make a suggestion and this is a

11:50:15 procedural matter.

11:50:17 Since he made a comment about a special call, we don't have

11:50:19 a special call yet voted on so we can't put your motion

11:50:23 forward on that special call meeting. So I would suggest if

11:50:25 you don't mind tabling your motion at this time so we can

11:50:29 clear it and then get to the special call, and then continue




11:50:32 from there.

11:50:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.

11:50:35 Sounds like a plan.

11:50:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Sounds like a plan.

11:50:37 We are going to table that motion for the time being.

11:50:39 We are going to actually entertain a new motion and make

11:50:42 sure, Mr. Shelby, that I am proper, my rules of Robert's

11:50:45 Rules of Order to be allow that, to table the motion until

11:50:50 we have this other motion.

11:50:51 Mr. Cohen.

11:50:52 >>HARRY COHEN: Make a motion for a special call meeting

11:50:55 immediately following our already-scheduled workshop session

11:50:59 on June 16th to take up the matter of audit.

11:51:03 >> Second.

11:51:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

11:51:05 We have a motion by Mr. Cohen.

11:51:06 We have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.

11:51:09 Any discussion on the item?

11:51:10 Mr. Shelby had some comments.

11:51:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: For the purposes of setting notice

11:51:15 properly, perhaps you could set it at 9:30 a.m. if you wish,

11:51:20 or 10 a.m.

11:51:22 >>HARRY COHEN: We could set it at 9:30 but it's immediately

11:51:24 following the workshop.

11:51:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: But at least people will know it's 9:30 or




11:51:30 sometime thereafter.

11:51:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a time certain.

11:51:32 All in favor of that motion?

11:51:34 Any opposed?

11:51:35 Thank you.

11:51:36 Mrs. Capin, if you would like to make that other motion.

11:51:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, that we continue with that motion, and

11:51:42 it will be for on or before June 16.

11:51:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Than the special call meeting has already

11:51:52 been set for the 16th so out want her to come back at

11:51:55 that time.

11:51:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to have it -- yes, that will

11:51:59 be fine.

11:52:00 Yes.

11:52:00 That's fine.

11:52:01 I wanted it before, but that's okay.

11:52:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion.

11:52:05 There was no second -- the second I believe was Mr. Cohen.

11:52:09 Do you accept that as a continuously motion?

11:52:11 The motion for her to come back to us, ma'am.

11:52:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: On June 16th would be my request, which

11:52:20 again Jacksonville, Miami, how the audit is delivered to

11:52:27 City Council and commission without it being sunshine.

11:52:30 I just want to know how it's done.

11:52:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have the motion.




11:52:34 We have a second.

11:52:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

11:52:36 I am going to ask for a friendly amendment to incorporate at

11:52:41 the same time the two items that Councilwoman Montelione

11:52:44 brought up which --

11:52:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think it's better to do separate motion.

11:52:53 Let's go ahead and vote on that motion.

11:52:55 Clerk, are we clear now are? Okay.

11:52:57 Motion by Mrs. Capin.

11:52:59 Second from Mr. Cohen.

11:53:00 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

11:53:02 Any opposed?

11:53:03 Now, let's -- sorry, clerk?

11:53:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Rescind the T motion for June 23rd.

11:53:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I rescind the motion from June 23rd.

11:53:17 >> Second.

11:53:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second by Mr. Cohen.

11:53:19 All in favor of that motion?

11:53:21 Thank you.

11:53:22 Now, entertain a motion for the other items.

11:53:25 Mrs. Montelione.

11:53:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, the first motion that we talked

11:53:31 about, the charter resolution motion, that was made earlier,

11:53:35 we need to change that date as well.

11:53:37 So I am going to move -- do I have to rescind this or can I




11:53:46 just amend it?

11:53:47 Amend the date of the previous motion regarding the

11:53:51 strategic planning session and the items contained in the

11:53:54 memo from the strategic planning session to be heard on the

11:53:59 16th at the special call meeting.

11:54:02 >> Second.

11:54:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have an amended motion from Mrs.

11:54:05 Montelione, a second from Mr. Cohen.

11:54:07 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

11:54:09 Any opposed?

11:54:11 Thank you.

11:54:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And before I make the motion, I want to

11:54:17 remind everyone, because back a while ago, Mr. Shelby laid

11:54:22 out for us the dates, and we are coming dangerously close.

11:54:27 We will have to have the first reading and a second reading,

11:54:31 and pursuant to section 2.10 present to the mayor, council

11:54:37 would have to reconsider it and pass by a two-thirds vote.

11:54:41 So that possibly taking out three council sessions right

11:54:45 there, with the first, the second, and having to come back

11:54:49 if the mayor vetos it.

11:54:52 And it has to be in into the supervisor of elections by

11:54:55 August 31st of 2016 and on the ballot in November.

11:55:00 So we only have five council meetings between now and August

11:55:05 31st, that only these two meetings for us to agree on

11:55:12 language to ask Mr. Shelby and the legal department to come




11:55:16 back with language.

11:55:18 I just want everybody to be on notice that we are running

11:55:21 dangerously close to being out of time.

11:55:24 So with that said, I would like to make a motion to have the

11:55:31 legal department working with Mr. Shelby to bring back

11:55:34 language for a charter amendment regarding audits by the

11:55:38 City of Tampa, that the City Council would have the

11:55:43 authority to require the city auditor perform audits -- just

11:55:50 perform audits by a super majority vote of council.

11:55:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That is a motion on the floor by Mrs.

11:55:56 Montelione.

11:55:58 I have a second from Mr. Cohen.

11:55:59 Any discussion on that motion?

11:56:00 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

11:56:03 Any opposed?

11:56:05 Thank you.

11:56:05 Next, ma'am.

11:56:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I wish this microphone had an extension

11:56:09 on it.

11:56:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I do, too.

11:56:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to make a motion that

11:56:15 council -- and there may be some discussion on this one --

11:56:20 that council be notified when an audit has been requested by

11:56:25 the administration of the city auditor, and a schedule of

11:56:33 audits that are in process by the city auditor be delivered




11:56:39 to council, that further an audit be delivered to council as

11:56:51 a draft pending Mrs. Mandell's -- her opinion on whether

11:57:01 that draft would have Lee main a confidential document until

11:57:04 signed by the mayor.

11:57:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

11:57:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And have the department act on Mr.

11:57:16 Suarez' suggestion that a 60, 90, or 120-day time limit be

11:57:23 put on that audit being signed by the mayor and becoming a

11:57:26 public document.

11:57:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion from Mrs. Montelione.

11:57:30 Are you straight on that motion, clerk?

11:57:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have it written down.

11:57:36 I know it's hard to understand me.

11:57:38 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm really not clear on what it is exactly.

11:57:44 I apologize because I know you are having trouble speaking.

11:57:47 I don't understand.

11:57:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Which part don't you understand?

11:57:52 >>HARRY COHEN: We are getting a report back that

11:57:54 Councilwoman Capin asked for and it seems to me you are

11:57:57 getting ahead of that.

11:57:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

11:58:00 We are going to be getting on the 16th -- the question

11:58:09 that Councilwoman Capin asked which quite frankly I'm not

11:58:12 too clear on what it is.

11:58:16 What I am asking for is what I asked for earlier, which poem




11:58:19 seem to be clear about.

11:58:25 Okay.

11:58:28 So that council be notified when an audit is undertaken by

11:58:34 the city auditor, and that we have a schedule from the city

11:58:44 auditor of what audits are in process, and a requirement to

11:58:51 be decided number of days when that audit would be signed

11:58:56 and delivered to council.

11:58:58 That's what chairman Suarez had asked for.

11:59:00 So I am trying to incorporate his request into this motion.

11:59:04 If you want to do a separate motion for what Mr. Suarez was

11:59:07 asking, that would be fine with me.

11:59:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It may help clarify, Mrs. Montelione.

11:59:14 It may make it easier for Mr. Cohen.

11:59:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we'll do a separate motion on what

11:59:19 you had asked for.

11:59:20 The first part would be that council be notified when an

11:59:24 audit is undertaken by the city audit department.

11:59:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That is the motion on the floor by Mrs.

11:59:32 Montelione.

11:59:34 Defensive a second on it?

11:59:36 >>HARRY COHEN: I will second that.

11:59:37 It seems to me what you are really asking for is that City

11:59:40 Council be given the audit schedule.

11:59:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That was the second thing that I said

11:59:44 that he said was confusing so I adjustment simplified it.




11:59:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.

11:59:49 I am trying to make it more simple.

11:59:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That is your second.

11:59:52 We have the motion with Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.

11:59:55 Cohen.

11:59:56 All in favor? Any opposed? Thank you.

12:00:00 Go ahead.

12:00:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

12:00:02 So a separate motion for -- let me see.

12:00:12 I'm trying to use few words.

12:00:16 Correct me if I am wrong.

12:00:27 For a determined number of days, reasonable, 60, 390, 120

12:00:32 days, that the mayor has to sign an awed Toyota make it a

12:00:36 public document.

12:00:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have that motion on the floor.

12:00:39 Defensive a second?

12:00:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Do you want to hand over the calendar,

12:00:47 Mr. Suarez, so I can do it in a motion?

12:00:51 >>HARRY COHEN: We have a motion and second for discussion

12:00:53 on the motion.

12:00:56 I would just like to say, I want to vote on that motion

12:00:58 after we hear the report on the 16th.

12:01:00 But go ahead, Mr. Reddick.

12:01:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just want to make sure I am clear on

12:01:08 what the motion is.




12:01:09 You are saying they have two weeks?

12:01:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could, I will take it up for you.

12:01:16 No, what we are trying to settle is a time frame in which

12:01:19 the mayor has to provide to us that audit that has been in

12:01:24 draft form.

12:01:25 So he doesn't have a year to then deliver the audit as we

12:01:29 have seen with other audits that we have had.

12:01:31 He has up to -- and I think we were going to discuss 60, 90

12:01:36 or 120 days.

12:01:37 We haven't decided on the time frame.

12:01:38 We just want to have a discussion about that.

12:01:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Oh, okay.

12:01:42 >>HARRY COHEN: Any other discussion?

12:01:45 Okay.

12:01:45 All those in favor of the motion please indicate by saying

12:01:48 aye.

12:01:48 Opposed?

12:01:53 Okay.

12:01:53 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Cohen voting no.

12:01:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione, any other motion on this?

12:02:06 >>THE CLERK: And with Capin and Miranda being absent.

12:02:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think that completes it.

12:02:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other discussions on the audit function

12:02:15 that we have gone through before we go to the public? Okay.

12:02:19 The public has -- anyone in the public that would like to




12:02:22 talk about this issue, item number 5 concerning internal

12:02:25 audit and the powers of the council and the mayor in

12:02:28 relation to audits.

12:02:32 Sir.

12:02:32 >> I'm Ed, Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.

12:02:37 Okay.

12:02:43 Some of the issues that came up in the discussion, some of

12:02:50 the issues that came up reminded me.

12:02:53 City of Baltimore was a part of Baltimore county, and then

12:02:57 it split off.

12:02:58 And I might research that because I am kind of curious about

12:03:01 it.

12:03:02 But that apparently happened with Jacksonville.

12:03:08 In any case this concept of a strong mayor, the specifics of

12:03:15 this issue, and I think what it is, I had mentioned, like

12:03:22 admiral Collins, I have some familiarity with rowing

12:03:25 because --

12:03:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let me interrupt you for just a second.

12:03:29 This is about the internal audit issue.

12:03:32 >> That's fine because I think this is something that should

12:03:36 be brought to the auditor's attention.

12:03:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

12:03:41 >> Derek Chamblee just bought brought up that the mayor has

12:03:44 a lot of power.

12:03:46 He blamed you because he said you rescinded a lot of your




12:03:49 power, and I say this is a perfect example of that.

12:03:56 The point of it is this, that the community is delighted

12:04:02 with this.

12:04:03 This they're seems to be some, looking down on the

12:04:06 electorate and feeling they couldn't distinguish between

12:04:09 having a park which is good, doing things to the park, and

12:04:16 doing these specific things.

12:04:18 There's a difference between these.

12:04:19 And I have focused on the rowing thing.

12:04:22 That is not for the community that exists.

12:04:26 That is for the community that will be in place after the

12:04:31 existing community in our prospective place.

12:04:37 In other words, it has designs on West Tampa, and this is an

12:04:41 example of it.

12:04:42 Now, a poor man came and he said he would like to play

12:04:46 basketball.

12:04:47 He was an older gentleman.

12:04:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Tillou, again, you are going far afield

12:04:52 as to what we were discussing.

12:04:55 General audit issues.

12:04:56 Please make your comments concerning what we talked about in

12:04:59 our workshop, which is per our rules.

12:05:02 If you don't mind doing that.

12:05:03 >> But the point of it is that an audit, an audit, could

12:05:08 take this out maybe, an audit could exist, a veto power, and




12:05:13 this bears a specific of why this is a very important issue.

12:05:17 This is an important issue because we have the specific,

12:05:23 which is wrong.

12:05:24 And the thing is what's wrong about it is not that something

12:05:28 is being done with the park.

12:05:30 I was brought -- this little thing says with.

12:05:34 A friend of mine, when I was in Stanford, he had whiffle

12:05:39 ball golf courses that can be tens of acres instead of

12:05:42 thousands of acres.

12:05:43 So there could be a Tiger Woods wiffle ball golf course

12:05:48 there and maybe ten acres of the park.

12:05:51 Be a splash pool.

12:05:53 There should be a pool about this deep where kids can be

12:05:56 taught how to swim, which should be a prerequisite everyone.

12:06:00 (Bell sounds).

12:06:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

12:06:02 >> And this is stuff an auditor could bring attention to.

12:06:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Tillou.

12:06:07 Anyone else in the public that would like to talk about this

12:06:09 issue, the internal audit discussion that we had?

12:06:12 I see no one.

12:06:13 I would ask our counsel to give us, I would say, maybe ten

12:06:17 more minutes or 15 more minutes so that we can go?

12:06:21 15 more minutes.

12:06:22 Mr. Maniscalco has the motion.




12:06:24 Mr. Cohen the second.

12:06:26 All in favor of that motion?

12:06:28 Any opposed? Thank you.

12:06:30 Item number 6.

12:06:32 Mr. Mueller.

12:06:34 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Good morning, council.

12:06:37 Good afternoon, council.

12:06:40 I council asked the legal department to come back today and

12:06:46 provide a review of the current policy within the city team

12:06:49 researches department, whistleblower protections for city

12:06:52 employees.

12:06:54 Justin will be stepping up here in a second to review that

12:06:58 policy with you but also at least give you a summary of the

12:07:02 state whistleblower statute that also provides protections

12:07:05 to the city employee, and also after reviewing the

12:07:07 transcript of last month's meeting, we thought if time

12:07:12 permits and if you want to hear it we can also provide a

12:07:15 review of the anti-retaliation provisions of so state and

12:07:19 federal statutes that also provides protection in

12:07:23 opposition, causes and participation causes, that provide

12:07:31 those protections to City of Tampa employees.

12:07:33 So with that.

12:07:37 Justin Vaske, legal department.

12:07:41 The first thing we are going to look at is the city's

12:07:44 whistleblower policy which is section B-23.3-A of the city




12:07:48 personnel manual, and I have copies of that policy.

12:07:55 Briefly, any city employee can file a complaint ands what

12:08:31 can be reported will be anything, fraud code of violations

12:08:37 ethics and weight of funds, expensive uses, labor law

12:08:44 implications,

12:08:45 Other items such as waste, harassment, environmental

12:08:49 violations, and any other abuse or neglect of duty.

12:08:53 And there is also a hotline that complainants can call in

12:08:57 and also an option for employees to allow for anonymous

12:09:01 reporting of their complaints.

12:09:11 In addition it adopts the State of Florida whistleblower

12:09:13 act, and it's section 112.3187, and that allows any employee

12:09:19 of any state, regional, county, local or municipal

12:09:23 governmental entity to file a complaint.

12:09:28 Now, this employee, or the discloser must do one of the

12:09:33 following under this state statute.

12:09:35 The discloser must disclose the violation of his or her own

12:09:45 initiative, and a written and signed complaint of the act,

12:09:46 to participate in an investigation of a violation, refuse to

12:09:50 participate in a retaliatory action based on a violation,

12:09:56 call in to the hotline for whistleblowing or Medicaid fraud,

12:10:00 or provide a complaint to his or her supervisor which is

12:10:04 then forwarded.

12:10:05 Now, the discloser must not have committed or potentially

12:10:09 participated in the violation and cannot get protection from




12:10:13 retaliation if they are in the state correctional system.

12:10:17 The discloser must identify himself or herself, but the

12:10:21 discloser's identity is confidential without written

12:10:23 consent.

12:10:24 Now, what can be reported under the state law, violations of

12:10:28 any laws, rules or regulations that create a substantial

12:10:33 specific danger to the public health, safety and welfare,

12:10:37 improper use of governmental office, including gross

12:10:43 malfeasance, misfeasance, gross waste of funds, suspected or

12:10:47 actual Medicaid fraud or abuse, gross or neglect of duty,

12:10:52 also what can be reported is discrimination on the basis of

12:10:55 race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, handicap,

12:10:59 or marital status.

12:11:01 Now, there is protection from retaliation for all

12:11:05 governmental employees in the State of Florida.

12:11:07 This includes City of Tampa employees, even those that do

12:11:11 not have bargained for positions.

12:11:14 The whistleblower act prohibits retaliatory action, and

12:11:21 those actions include discharge, transfer, devotion,

12:11:26 withholding of bonuses, reduction in salary or benefits, or

12:11:30 any other adverse action taken against an employee within

12:11:33 the terms of the employee's employment.

12:11:36 Now, in addition, there's another added protection from

12:11:40 retaliation, which is under the Florida civil rights act,

12:11:44 and an employer can't discriminate against any person




12:11:47 because that person has opposed any practice which is

12:11:52 unlawful employment practice, or because that person made a

12:11:56 charge or participated in any manner in an investigate

12:12:02 proceeding or hearing under this section.

12:12:04 In other words, the State of Florida governmental workers --

12:12:07 once again this includes City of Tampa employees -- cannot

12:12:11 be discriminated against for opposing a lawful employment

12:12:15 practice or for participating in any investigation.

12:12:19 Now, keep in mind a lot of this language inures federal law,

12:12:25 and that's my next bullet point, which is that there are a

12:12:27 variety of laws that protect workers from retaliation, and

12:12:33 this language is in the title 7 discrimination act, equal

12:12:38 pay act, the age discrimination and employment act and the

12:12:43 Americans with Disabilities Act.

12:12:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione.

12:12:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: To be part of the report that we got

12:12:52 today, but do you know how many -- probably don't -- human

12:13:00 resources.

12:13:01 Maybe you asked in anticipation.

12:13:03 But how many calls has the lot line received since 2013?

12:13:07 >> I don't have that answer.

12:13:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So to have human resources report to us

12:13:16 at our next regularly scheduled meeting under staff reports,

12:13:22 A, summary of the use of the hotline, how many calls have

12:13:25 come in, what types of issues are reported, and, if




12:13:32 possible, the resolution of those, for instance, what action

12:13:38 has been taken by the administration to correct or track the

12:13:41 concerns called into the hotline.

12:13:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

12:13:45 Defensive a second?

12:13:46 I have a motion from Mrs. Montelione, second from Mr.

12:13:49 Maniscalco.

12:13:50 All in favor of that motion?

12:13:51 Any opposed?

12:13:52 Thank you.

12:13:53 Any other questions?

12:13:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you tell me what the difference --

12:13:59 this is a procedure that was signed, as you said, by

12:14:04 executive order.

12:14:10 I have actually two questions.

12:14:13 If it is already federal law as you stated or the language

12:14:15 merits state law as well, does the mayor feel that's

12:14:25 referring to an executive order, reiterating the same things

12:14:27 that are in federal or state law?

12:14:31 I.

12:14:32 >> I do not know the policy considerations for placing this

12:14:36 in the manual.

12:14:37 All I can say is that state law is referenced in this policy

12:14:40 but I do not know the --

12:14:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The point I am making is that in a




12:14:44 perfect world, there wouldn't be any retaliation or

12:14:51 consequence to an employee reporting something they saw

12:14:59 fitting into these categories of waste and abuse.

12:15:01 But we know that it happens.

12:15:03 I mean, it's human nature.

12:15:07 And there have been cases across the country, some here in

12:15:10 our own city, of reported retaliation.

12:15:17 So there must have been some impetus for putting this in a

12:15:22 policy.

12:15:23 So my question is, what differentiates a policy from

12:15:29 something being in the charter or codified by ordinance or

12:15:35 resolution?

12:15:41 >> Well, speaking to the employee's manual, that is in the

12:15:46 purview of the mayor, and as mentioned earlier the

12:15:50 strong-mayor form of government, and this is in the mayor's

12:15:53 personnel manual.

12:15:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So at any time it can be changed?

12:15:59 >> By executive order.

12:16:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So what my feeling is, to make this a

12:16:06 permanent part of the code, because employee protections

12:16:14 can't be changed, not without a vote by the public, or maybe

12:16:19 in the case of a resolution or an ordinance, majority of

12:16:23 council.

12:16:24 I would like this to become part of -- so that any future

12:16:31 administration cannot rescind or change this policy.




12:16:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Would you like to make that in the form of a

12:16:38 motion to come back on June 16th when we are talking

12:16:40 about charter review are?

12:16:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

12:16:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think we have a motion, clerk.

12:16:46 Do you have that clearly?

12:16:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The motion would be to basically take

12:16:54 this executive order and convert the executive order into --

12:17:03 I need legal advice here.

12:17:04 Would it be an ordinance, a resolution, or in the charter

12:17:12 discussion?

12:17:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: May I ask is it your intention rather than

12:17:14 just take an executive order -- because we had some

12:17:17 discussion about this previously.

12:17:18 Rather than just take an executive order and convert it, is

12:17:21 it your desire to ask council to consider creating perhaps

12:17:27 whistleblower provision within the code of ethics that would

12:17:31 be part of the city's ethics code, and be immortalized in an

12:17:38 ordinance within that section are? Is that your desire?

12:17:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: What is the strongest way possible.

12:17:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A resolution --

12:17:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, changing the code, right, would

12:17:49 take another vote of council.

12:17:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.

12:17:52 It or it would have to be in the form of an ordinance and




12:17:55 would have to go to the mayor to either sign or veto it.

12:17:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: There seems to be some discussion at the

12:18:00 podium.

12:18:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: But again the question is -- and there are

12:18:05 frankly it -- I think Mr. Vaske is more familiar with this

12:18:10 than I am but there may be more advantages to having it

12:18:13 phrased the way it is in this executive order and to put it

12:18:16 directly, put the language directly into an ordinance or

12:18:19 resolution may not address your concerns.

12:18:22 Resolution obviously doesn't have -- is not codified.

12:18:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, but if we change the code of ethics,

12:18:29 and an ordinance for the code of ethics, then it would be.

12:18:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Yes.

12:18:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

12:18:35 So that's what the motion would be.

12:18:37 Is to amend the ethics code of the City of Tampa to contain

12:18:42 whistleblower provisions such as stated in the executive

12:18:47 order.

12:18:52 Mrs. Mandell, Mr. Vaske?

12:18:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's a motion.

12:18:55 Do we have a second?

12:18:58 We have a second by Mr. Reddick.

12:19:00 Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

12:19:02 All in favor of that motion?

12:19:04 Any opposed?




12:19:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, council.

12:19:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other comments or questions regarding

12:19:10 item number 6?

12:19:14 June 16th.

12:19:15 Thank you.

12:19:16 Okay.

12:19:17 Is there anyone in the public that would like to comment on

12:19:20 item number 6 concerning our whistleblower protection?

12:19:23 I see no one.

12:19:25 Okay.

12:19:25 Information reports from our council.

12:19:28 Mrs. Montelione.

12:19:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No new business, sir 123479 Mr.

12:19:32 Maniscalco.

12:19:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I would like to move that Tampa City

12:19:35 Council present a commendation to mount Zion AME church in

12:19:40 celebration of 127th anniversary to be presented on June

12:19:45 12 at the event.

12:19:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Maniscalco.

12:19:49 Second by Mr. Reddick.

12:19:50 All in favor of that motion?

12:19:52 Any opposed?

12:19:54 Mr. Maniscalco, anything else? Mr. Reddick, sir?

12:19:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: Just requesting a commendation to present

12:20:01 to the Tampa department of solid waste for their 2016 man




12:20:08 and woman day on June 16 at 9:00 a.m.

12:20:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Reddick.

12:20:14 A second from Mr. Maniscalco.

12:20:16 All in favor of that motion?

12:20:18 Okay.

12:20:19 Motion passes.

12:20:20 Is there anything else that the council would like to

12:20:22 discuss?

12:20:22 If not we are adjourned -- oh, excuse me.

12:20:26 Motion to receive and file from Mr. Maniscalco.

12:20:29 Second from Mr. Reddick.

12:20:30 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

12:20:32 Any opposed?

12:20:34 If nothing else we are adjourned until 5:01 p.m.

12:20:38 Thank you.

12:20:42 (City Council meeting adjourned.)

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