Tampa City Council
Thursday, June 2, 2016
9:00 a.m. Session
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[Sounding gavel]
09:04:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Tampa City Council is now in order.
09:04:43 The chair yields to Councilman Harry Cohen.
09:04:46 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
09:04:49 Good morning, everyone.
09:04:50 It's my pleasure this morning to welcome Rabbi Josh
09:04:55 Hearshen, from my actual congregation Rodeph Sholom where I
09:05:00 belong on Bayshore Boulevard.
09:05:03 It is the oldest conservative synagogue in Hillsborough
09:05:07 County, and we welcome Rabbi Hearshen this morning to for
09:05:11 the invocation.
09:05:12 We will rise for that as well as the pledge of allegiance.
09:05:14 >> Thank you, Councilman Cohen.
09:05:23 In just about nine days the Jewish people will celebrate the
09:05:26 holiday of Shavuot, a holiday that did not have a great PR
09:05:32 person working for it. Very few people know about it. But
09:05:36 it's a sacred holiday, nevertheless.
09:05:37 It's a holiday when we celebrate the giving of the Ten
09:05:42 Commandments, giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai.
09:05:45 Law is a sacred, sacred thing.
09:05:48 Law is given because God loves us and because we love each
09:05:52 other.
09:05:53 When god gave those ten commandments at Sinai, the world was
09:06:00 changed, reality was shifting, we suddenly had order, we
09:06:03 suddenly had purpose.
09:06:07 What law really does for our world is it gives us the
09:06:10 ability to see the other.
09:06:13 It gives us the ability to look at one another and to live
09:06:18 together.
09:06:20 It gives us the ability to form society.
09:06:23 It gives us the ability to be living side by side.
09:06:29 May God bless all of us to be receive the other in our mix.
09:06:34 May God bless all of us to see the sanctity of the rule of
09:06:40 law and to be find order and purpose in this often chaotic
09:06:45 world.
09:06:45 Amen.
09:06:45 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]
09:07:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Roll call.
09:07:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
09:07:09 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
09:07:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.
09:07:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.
09:07:17 Before we go to the approval of the agenda, Mr. Reddick is
09:07:21 not going to be able to be here today for our regular
09:07:23 meeting, and Mr. Miranda is running late from a scheduled
09:07:29 meeting over at the county commission and he should be back
09:07:31 here in about 25 minutes.
09:07:33 Okay, the agenda has been looked at.
09:07:38 A motion to approve that addendum to the agenda.
09:07:41 >> So moved.
09:07:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
09:07:43 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
09:07:45 All in favor of that motion?
09:07:47 Any opposed?
09:07:48 Okay, thank you.
09:07:50 Mr. Cohen, I think you are going to go in a little bit
09:07:54 different order from this from our agenda.
09:07:57 Do we have the commendation?
09:08:00 Okay, we will then go to item number 1.
09:08:21 >>HARRY COHEN: I am going to warn you, I just got new
09:08:24 glasses.
09:08:26 I have been known to mix up some words lately.
09:08:29 But in recognition of your 35 years of dedicated service to
09:08:33 the City of Tampa and its citizens, you may have retired but
09:08:37 your impact on this city will continue to be realized long
09:08:41 after you are no longer at your desk.
09:08:46 Thank you very much on behalf of our city for your 35 years
09:08:49 of service.
09:08:50 And I know there are lots of people here today from the
09:08:53 accounting department who want to wish you well and
09:08:55 celebrate this milestone with you.
09:08:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen, I know it was hard to read but
09:09:00 her name is Christine.
09:09:05 >> Christine Jackson.
09:09:08 That's the only thing in bold.
09:09:10 (Laughter)
09:09:11 [ Applause ]
09:09:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Jackson, you don't get off that easily.
09:09:21 Please come up and say a few words, if you don't mind.
09:09:26 Even if it's just thank you.
09:09:28 We don't mind.
09:09:31 You can even thank the people that you are going to say
09:09:35 good-bye to.
09:09:35 >> Thank you.
09:09:40 I want to thank everybody, for me working here in 35 years.
09:09:47 I can't believe the time went so fast but it did.
09:09:50 And missing a lot of you right now.
09:09:54 Leading your life but still missing out on my friends.
09:09:57 I am missing working for the city, missing the activities of
09:10:01 downtown.
09:10:02 I want to thank you all for putting up with me for 35
09:10:05 glorious years.
09:10:09 [ Applause ]
09:10:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Ms. Jackson.
09:10:14 I'm sorry to put you on the spot but I always feel it's
09:10:16 important even though when you are getting a commendation we
09:10:20 are going to pay you one last collect for sure and hopefully
09:10:22 that check will clear and -- (Laughter)
09:10:31 I want to make sure. We are very happy for the time you
09:10:35 gave to us and we hope that the next 35 years you have not
09:10:38 with us is going to be as enjoyable as the other 35 years.
09:10:41 Thank you so much.
09:10:43 Thank you for your service.
09:10:45 All right.
09:10:46 Next on the agenda is a commendation to the American Heart
09:10:50 Association.
09:10:51 They are also running late.
09:10:52 I think they are at the same meeting as Mr. Miranda.
09:10:55 So we will go to the third item which is the commendation,
09:11:02 Mr. Maniscalco, if you could handle that, please.
09:11:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Thank you very much, council.
09:11:25 This is about gun rights, about gun violence in America, gun
09:11:30 violence awareness.
09:11:31 What's been going on in this country and this world, it's
09:11:37 unbelievable.
09:11:37 I remember being a freshman in high school and Columbine
09:11:41 happened.
09:11:41 The first time a school shooting of that magnitude.
09:11:45 And I'm thinking, I thought we settled our differences on
09:11:49 the playground and in the parking lot, and get sent to the
09:11:53 principal's office.
09:11:54 Now you take a gun to school and shoot people that you may
09:11:57 not like or whatever the reason is.
09:11:59 Just yesterday, UCLA, a professor was murdered by a student,
09:12:04 under investigation, but, you know, it seems that it's so
09:12:08 common in the news, every day, almost every day it's
09:12:11 something new.
09:12:12 And I am presenting this commendation on behalf of Tampa
09:12:16 City Council for gun action.
09:12:21 It's not that they don't support the second amendment.
09:12:24 They do. But they support common sense when it comes to
09:12:26 this kind of violence which I think needs to be addressed
09:12:29 and I think is really out of control.
09:12:32 Tampa City Council is pleased to bestow this presentation on
09:12:35 moms demand gun action and congratulate you on the gun
09:12:38 violence awareness initiative and to recognize today June
09:12:41 2nd, 2016 as gun violence awareness day.
09:12:44 Moms demand action support the second amendment, yes, but
09:12:49 believe common sense solutions will help decrease the
09:12:52 escalating epidemic of gun violence.
09:12:54 We are proud of all that will you accomplished in bringing
09:12:57 gun safety.
09:12:58 We look forward to continuously success and mobilization,
09:13:02 and it's Tampa City Council's honor to present with you this
09:13:05 commendation on the second day of June 2016.
09:13:08 [ Applause ]
09:13:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If you could, before you leave, if you would
09:13:19 tell us a little about your organization it would be very
09:13:21 nice.
09:13:24 How people out there can get in touch with you.
09:13:27 Just state your name.
09:13:28 >> My name is Catherine Robinson, and like Councilman said,
09:13:37 we are a volunteer group dedicated to the idea that we can
09:13:39 have meaningful discussion, solve the problem of guns, gun
09:13:44 violence in this country, not only in this city but around
09:13:47 the country.
09:13:48 So today we wear orange.
09:13:50 That's the color that hunters wear when they don't want to
09:13:53 be shot.
09:13:54 And so if you go online, all over the country people are
09:13:59 wearing orange to bring a spotlight to this issue.
09:14:02 And like I said, some discussion and some solutions.
09:14:07 Thank you so much.
09:14:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:14:10 Okay, we are come back to the American Heart Association
09:14:17 commendation once they are here.
09:14:19 We will go on to public comment.
09:14:21 Public comment is for those items on the agenda that are
09:14:24 not -- that are not set for public hearing.
09:14:27 The items that set for public hearing are items number 43
09:14:32 through 58.
09:14:36 So if you are here to speak on any item on the agenda, you
09:14:39 may except for those items that set for public hearing.
09:14:43 Okay.
09:14:43 Excuse me, 59 is what it's through.
09:14:48 43 to 59.
09:14:49 You cannot speak at this time.
09:14:51 Any other item besides that you may.
09:14:53 Please comb forward.
09:14:55 State your name when you do.
09:14:56 >> Mike Higginson, greater association of realtors.
09:15:03 I am here to comment on item 58 which is about the program
09:15:10 that you all recall we have been working on this for a
09:15:12 couple of years, and glad to report that the ordinance
09:15:15 coming before you is pretty much in keeping with what the
09:15:18 committee that you helped form has been working on for some
09:15:22 time, and we appreciate that work through all this.
09:15:25 The only caveat we have got is the devil is in the details
09:15:29 and we know there are actual procedures and some details yet
09:15:31 to be worked out on hopefully we'll very well a lot less
09:15:48 trouble with code violations.
09:15:49 Thank you.
09:15:49 >> Ron Rampolla.
09:15:54 I'm on the committee.
09:15:54 We started this committee actually about 12 years ago.
09:15:57 And we were making a lot of progress and approve what we
09:16:01 have done so far in concept and we have a lot of work to do
09:16:04 on the details.
09:16:05 But I think we are all on the same page.
09:16:07 Thank you.
09:16:07 >> Mark Hamburg.
09:16:14 I'm also on the same committee as Mr. Rampolla.
09:16:18 I think actually more than 12 years, I think our committee
09:16:22 has been active for some 20 years, and has been a very
09:16:26 consistent group, Tampa Board of Realtors and other business
09:16:32 owners, concerned business owners.
09:16:34 We appreciate the fact that the city has worked hard,
09:16:39 hammered out a plan.
09:16:40 We look forward to the final work product.
09:16:42 And I apologize that we came up in the public comment
09:16:46 section.
09:16:49 I didn't realize.
09:16:52 I appreciate you doing it.
09:16:54 Thank you.
09:16:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:16:56 >> My first City Council meeting so I hope I do this right.
09:17:07 I'm the president of the Hillsborough high school rowing
09:17:10 club.
09:17:10 My name is Javier Cuevas.
09:17:16 And we are being displaced from Riverfront Park because of
09:17:20 renovations and we identified Rivercrest Park as a future
09:17:23 site at least temporarily for our team.
09:17:26 And this is a great opportunity for us to bring us a lot
09:17:29 closer to the school so we won't have the issues that high
09:17:32 school kids having to drive downtown and having to drive
09:17:34 around in rush hour.
09:17:35 The principal has been very supportive.
09:17:37 The south Seminole Heights Civic Association voted 23-0 to
09:17:42 support it.
09:17:47 And it fits nicely with our goals to reach out to our
09:17:51 community to give opportunity to inner city kids to become
09:17:54 involved in rowing programs.
09:17:55 So we really hope that you are supportive of this now and
09:17:59 hopefully as for long-term.
09:18:01 Thank you.
09:18:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Sir, I'm glad to see you here H.I used
09:18:07 to row for Tampa Catholic high school back in the day.
09:18:10 And I appreciate everything that involves, the river and the
09:18:15 use of all that.
09:18:16 It's a great sport that people don't recognize enough.
09:18:19 >> We are going to be right across the water from Tampa
09:18:23 Catholic practically, and we are bringing together a lot of
09:18:25 things, high school -- Hillsborough high school rowing club
09:18:32 and Berkeley.
09:18:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Berkeley would come to Tampa and meet
09:18:39 with us, great place to meet girls.
09:18:40 >> It has the highest rated college of any sport and we
09:18:46 think it will be great for the kids to have this
09:18:47 opportunity.
09:18:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: As everyone knows, my legislative aide's
09:18:53 daughter is a Ph.D. rowing coach at Michigan and the other
09:18:58 one is a masters rowing coach at Clemson.
09:19:03 What I want to say is, yes, the scholarships are there.
09:19:10 And the club, is there a charge to the students?
09:19:13 >> Yes.
09:19:14 So it costs about $2,000 a year to be part of a club.
09:19:17 So the way that Hillsborough County public schools sponsors
09:19:22 teams to sponsor a rowing club for the high school, they
09:19:26 would not receive county money.
09:19:27 So what we are doing is fundraising and right now we have
09:19:30 seven scholarships.
09:19:31 That's about a quarter of our team is on full scholarships.
09:19:36 So we raised about 14,000 to be able to support those
09:19:39 individuals.
09:19:39 And our goal is to actually have at least half the team on
09:19:44 scholarship so we can don't grow.
09:19:47 We are going to start working with the after-school program,
09:19:50 the all-stars, and those kids, most of them will need
09:19:54 scholarships, and we are developing now a booster club to
09:19:57 help fundraising that will be needed to get there.
09:20:00 Our goal is to really reach out to those kids that can't
09:20:04 afford it because those will have the most opportunity.
09:20:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm surprised that the county isn't
09:20:12 pitching in somehow to the school, because the river is so
09:20:16 important to our county, to our city, to our area.
09:20:20 It is a cultural asset.
09:20:21 And we want to enhance the river.
09:20:24 Therefore, rowing is a natural way of bringing in inner city
09:20:28 kids into, again, this hey scholarship rewards that are
09:20:34 available through rowing, and it's a team effort, but I
09:20:39 would love to see that.
09:20:42 What I would like to ask, we have item 7 maybe when it comes
09:20:46 to that, I would like to make a motion that we send a letter
09:20:50 to the school board.
09:20:52 Asking for that support and how that can be accomplished.
09:20:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If you want to make that motion now.
09:20:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I will do it now.
09:21:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Capin.
09:21:01 Second from Mr. Cohen.
09:21:02 All in favor of that motion?
09:21:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I would like to add a comment before you
09:21:08 made the motion.
09:21:08 It's the best exercise there is.
09:21:10 It is seriously the sport that allows you to condition your
09:21:15 entire body.
09:21:16 And given our concern for people's health and obesity, this
09:21:20 is something that we really ought to be promoting.
09:21:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
09:21:26 So there you go.
09:21:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mrs. Capin, second from Mr.
09:21:29 Cohen.
09:21:29 All in favor of that motion?
09:21:31 Any opposed?
09:21:32 Thank you.
09:21:33 Thank you for what you do for our students.
09:21:35 >> Interestingly, true to form you take your votes before
09:21:40 the public comment.
09:21:41 Okay.
09:21:42 In that regard, item 2, you are talking about the health
09:21:48 association.
09:21:49 I talked last week actually about two weeks ago about a
09:21:53 particular yogurt that's very heavy in saturated fat and
09:21:57 saturated fats continue to be the root of a lot of problems.
09:22:02 It's actually been resolved a little bit, but stearic acid
09:22:04 and palmitic acid. Palmitic acid seems bad. Stearic acid
09:22:13 seems good.
09:22:14 Unsaturated fats are almost -- they are stearic, oleic acid,
09:22:23 and the thing is that you have to read the labels, because
09:22:28 you have this yogurt that's essentially made a claim,
09:22:34 because not all of them are that bad.
09:22:36 For instance, Publix makes a good yogurt that only has one
09:22:39 gram of fat.
09:22:41 It has six and a half teaspoons of sugar in this tiny cup.
09:22:48 Anyway, just so you know, read the labels, because the
09:22:51 labels tell you a lot
09:22:53 Okay with, respect to what was just spoken about, I don't
09:22:57 think a rowing facility is right for that neighborhood and
09:23:02 it costs a lot of money.
09:23:04 $35 million at the root of a transportation system, but when
09:23:09 I spoke against it, the two ladies were away, and of course
09:23:13 Mr. Miranda is still away in theory.
09:23:16 He represents West Tampa.
09:23:18 But the thing of it is, University of Tampa had something
09:23:22 for adults.
09:23:22 The question is, do these kids swim?
09:23:26 And the thing is, you are going to see huge lawsuits.
09:23:32 Those things tip over sometimes and if the people don't
09:23:35 swim, when I was at the Baltimore rowing club there were
09:23:38 always people that were on edge.
09:23:40 And wondered why it was.
09:23:42 Most of them couldn't swim.
09:23:43 They never should have been out there.
09:23:44 So anyway, that's a big thing that goes about with it.
09:23:52 Maybe instead of running for governor or something he should
09:23:55 run for Hollywood to play an Irish politician.
09:24:01 The movie -- one of the guys was the brother of the
09:24:06 criminal.
09:24:06 So much for brothers in law.
09:24:09 Okay, about whiffle golf, and I finally got around there to
09:24:15 looking up my friend bill Cohen E.was a classmate at
09:24:19 Stanford and he was very much an advocate of this and his
09:24:22 fellow students would pick up on it.
09:24:25 It only needs about ten acres for a little golf course.
09:24:28 And that would be a very appropriate thing, a Tiger Woods
09:24:32 golf course.
09:24:35 You could find him on linked-in on the Internet because he
09:24:41 called, he remembers days with whiffle golf.
09:24:43 (Bell sounds).
09:24:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:24:47 >> And he would probably be really enthusiastic about that.
09:24:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Next, please.
09:25:15 >> I reside in Tampa which is now known as TA-MT.
09:25:24 Anyhow, I understand in this country it's a two way road
09:25:37 that we are operating under.
09:25:41 Citizens operating under one law and my law is different
09:25:45 than your law.
09:25:46 Now he was talking about true law.
09:25:50 True law in this country, establish true justice in this
09:25:53 country, and it's a two-court system in this country.
09:25:56 We understand that this court system is operating illegally,
09:26:00 and we understand that everything -- talk about $35 million.
09:26:08 Putting you guys into more debt instead of freeing us from
09:26:12 the debt.
09:26:14 Overcharging people for things like Hart operations, bus
09:26:19 fares paid for, so still being charged for bus passes and
09:26:24 then their rights are being violated.
09:26:33 People violating left and right, and sovereign citizens, you
09:26:41 know, we need to set Tampa up the right way.
09:26:48 Because the way for the whole world, we are going to get
09:26:53 this done right.
09:26:54 And I stand here, you know, I understand -- I don't agree
09:27:06 with most of them anyhow.
09:27:08 I stand in the middle.
09:27:09 I stand with the citizens.
09:27:10 And I stand with the people.
09:27:12 Right now we have got a situation, we have got those people
09:27:14 in the White house don't want to listen to us at all, and so
09:27:21 we have got to make the voices more heard.
09:27:27 Let your voice be heard.
09:27:30 The authority that you have in this country, also.
09:27:32 Stop giving away authority to the ones that just want to
09:27:35 crap on you.
09:27:36 Really, America, they just want to crap on you.
09:27:38 Don't let them crap on you no more.
09:27:45 Now, as far as the situation going on in the city, the
09:27:47 homeless situation, yeah, a major situation going on,
09:27:50 because I'm homeless, too.
09:27:55 You are in trouble just as well as someone on the street.
09:27:58 So get the study into law and get the study into truth, if
09:28:03 you are an American you should be studying the law anyhow.
09:28:07 You should be in the library studying how to be an American.
09:28:10 Thank you.
09:28:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.
09:28:12 Next, please.
09:28:13 >> Morning, Mr. Chairman, members of council.
09:28:21 Al Steenson, 4100 west Leila Avenue, Tampa 33616.
09:28:27 The item I want to speak on this morning doesn't even have
09:28:30 an item number on it but it comes up and it's going to be a
09:28:34 verbal report from legal regarding a request that I made
09:28:38 back on May 12th regarding impact fees.
09:28:42 I talked to Ms. Kert yesterday and I think what you are
09:28:46 going to hear today is we can't do it.
09:28:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think that item has been continuously, if
09:28:51 I am not mistaken.
09:28:53 It's a second reading.
09:28:55 It's a second reading so it's a public hearing.
09:28:57 I apologize.
09:28:58 >> But 49 is not dependent on this report, is it not?
09:29:05 In other words, can I speak to the --
09:29:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 49 is still public hearing, so that's why --
09:29:11 it's already set for public hearing for second reading.
09:29:14 >> So my remarks need to wait until we call 49?
09:29:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, sir.
09:29:20 I apologize.
09:29:21 >> Thank you.
09:29:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:29:27 Next?
09:29:27 Anyone else?
09:29:28 >> Yes.
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09:30:32 And I'm here to touch on a couple of things, reviewing your
09:30:38 meeting last week, this power struggle, power struggle.
09:30:44 That's what I call it.
09:30:46 A power struggle between members of the council over who was
09:30:51 going to be the next chair to perhaps succeed mayor Bob
09:30:57 Buckhorn who continues to think that he can win the
09:31:03 governorship of the State of Florida, and he can't even get
09:31:08 crosswalks on Kennedy Boulevard.
09:31:10 We need those crosswalks and we needed them a year ago.
09:31:14 People are dying out there.
09:31:16 Dodging the cars.
09:31:18 I have been here before, many times before.
09:31:22 Between Oregon, Dakota and Rome.
09:31:27 We need those crosswalks.
09:31:29 The workers want those crosswalks.
09:31:32 The shoppers want them.
09:31:34 The neighborhood people want them.
09:31:35 We need the speed limits slowed down.
09:31:39 We have got to put an end to the speeding cars through
09:31:42 there.
09:31:44 Every time I'm doing my sign own Howard and Kennedy, every
09:31:48 single time, I'm personally waiving off wrong way drivers
09:31:54 that turn south on Howard.
09:31:55 I told the police achieve about it.
09:31:57 I told the mayor about it.
09:31:59 Mayor Bob Buckhorn said, oh, it must be scary crossing the
09:32:03 street there.
09:32:03 I would like the mayor to come out of that little office and
09:32:06 go down there and watch a woman pushing her baby carriage
09:32:09 running across the street with her baby carriage for her
09:32:14 life and her baby's life.
09:32:17 Now, I forgot what else was going to talk B.anyway, the
09:32:23 Buckhorn stops there, on Oregon, Kennedy Boulevard, the
09:32:26 mayor is not going to go any further.
09:32:29 Maybe he needs to be governor to get crosswalks in his own
09:32:32 city because he tells me it's the D.O.T., the state
09:32:36 Department of Transportation cannot run Kennedy Boulevard,
09:32:41 they cannot run this city.
09:32:42 It's no longer a state highway.
09:32:44 (Bell sounds).
09:32:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.
09:32:48 Is there anyone else in the public who would like to speak
09:32:50 on any item other than those set for public hearing?
09:32:53 I see no one.
09:32:55 Next up is requests by the public for reconsideration of
09:32:58 legislative matters.
09:32:59 Is there anyone in the public who would like to speak about
09:33:02 any reconsideration of legislative matters?
09:33:05 I see no one.
09:33:07 Next up are committee reports.
09:33:13 First up is Parks, Recreation and Culture Committee, Mr.
09:33:18 Maniscalco is chair.
09:33:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I move items 4 through 20.
09:33:22 >> Second.
09:33:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.
09:33:26 Second by Mr. Cohen.
09:33:27 All in favor?
09:33:28 Any opposed? Thank you.
09:33:30 Next up, because Mr. Reddick is not here, the vice chair Mr.
09:33:35 Maniscalco if you could take Public Works Committee.
09:33:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I move items 21 through 27.
09:33:42 >> Second from Mr. Miranda.
09:33:43 All in favor of that motion?
09:33:45 Any opposed?
09:33:47 Next up is Finance Committee.
09:33:48 But before I go to Mr. Cohen, our chair, I want to point out
09:33:52 that item number 24, it is a memorandum of understanding
09:33:55 between the City of Tampa and legal services and I want to
09:34:01 make sure that our legal counsel knows this, that my wife is
09:34:04 an employee of bay area legal services, she is not a team
09:34:08 member for this particular contract, and if I read it the
09:34:14 contract correctly there is no money exchanged between the
09:34:16 City of Tampa and bay area legal services.
09:34:18 He want to make sure it's proper for me to vote on this
09:34:21 particular item.
09:34:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I have had an opportunity to be review the
09:34:24 memorandum of understanding and it is my opinion that it
09:34:26 does not rise to the level of requiring you to abstain, and
09:34:31 you have a requirement to vote.
09:34:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.
09:34:33 Mr. Cohen, if you could take the Finance Committee.
09:34:36 >>HARRY COHEN: I move items 24 through 27.
09:34:38 >> Second.
09:34:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
09:34:41 A second from Mr. Miranda.
09:34:42 All in favor of that motion?
09:34:45 Any opposed?
09:34:46 Thank you.
09:34:47 Next up, building, zoning, preservation committee, Ms.
09:34:51 Montelione.
09:34:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move items 28 through 40.
09:34:55 >> Second.
09:34:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mrs. Montelione, second
09:34:59 from Mr. Cohen.
09:35:00 All in favor of that motion?
09:35:01 Any opposed?
09:35:02 Thank you.
09:35:03 Next up is our transportation committee, Ms. Capin.
09:35:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move very important item 41.
09:35:11 >> Second.
09:35:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin, a second from
09:35:16 Mr. Miranda.
09:35:16 All in favor?
09:35:17 Any opposed?
09:35:18 Thank you.
09:35:19 Next up we have item being set for public hearing.
09:35:23 Item number 42.
09:35:25 Miranda move item 42 for August 4, 2016 at 10:30 in the
09:35:31 morning.
09:35:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second by Mr. Maniscalco all in favor?
09:35:35 Any opposed?
09:35:36 Thank you.
09:35:37 Next up we have our first public hearing which is item
09:35:39 number 43.
09:35:41 This is a non-quasi-judicial hearing.
09:35:43 So we still need to, I believe, open it up.
09:35:48 I have a motion from Mr. Cohen.
09:35:50 I have a second from Mrs. Montelione.
09:35:52 All in favor of that motion?
09:35:54 Any opposed?
09:35:55 Thank you.
09:35:58 Mrs. Little.
09:35:58 >>SONYA LITTLE: Good morning.
09:36:00 San yeah little, revenue and finance.
09:36:03 As it relates to the public hearings, I would like to just
09:36:09 provide you with background information as it relates to
09:36:13 this item and public hearing.
09:36:15 If I can have the presentation come up on the screen,
09:36:22 please.
09:36:23 We are discussing the program of our community investment
09:36:32 tax program, and providing a little bit of history just as a
09:36:36 recap for public purposes related to the tax.
09:36:41 If you will recall back in September of 1996, Hillsborough
09:36:44 County voters approved the one half cent local government as
09:36:52 the infrastructure's third.
09:36:56 On July 10, 1996 Hillsborough County enacted an ordinance
09:36:59 that allows the county to levy a one half cent local
09:37:05 government infrastructure surtax.
09:37:08 I would like to also point out when I first came here, I
09:37:11 finally figured out that this tax has many names.
09:37:14 We also refer to it as the Community Investment Tax or CIT,
09:37:18 so they are all one in the same.
09:37:28 The ordinance provides that revenues generated from this tax
09:37:31 can be used to provide funding for general government,
09:37:35 public safety and educational infrastructure purposes in
09:37:37 Hillsborough County, City of Tampa, Plant City, Temple
09:37:39 Terrace.
09:37:40 Finally, the tax was approved for a 30-year period.
09:37:44 And it actually sunsets in 2026.
09:37:54 Revenue specific to the City of Tampa from a historical
09:37:54 basis since its inception provided on this chart back in 97
09:38:03 starting at $5.8 million, and, if you will recall, in our
09:38:09 midyear review, we provided you with the FY 16 projected
09:38:11 collections of 17.3, but for the time period that we are
09:38:17 focusing on we are projecting beginning in FY 17 at 17.5 and
09:38:22 then the projections through 21 are very conservative growth
09:38:27 assumption where we have assumed 2% in years '17 and '19 and
09:38:33 1.5% in years '20 and '21.
09:38:35 As I mentioned, we are talking about program 5, years '17
09:38:50 through '21, and provided on this chart are the expenditures
09:38:53 all the way up to May 2026 for each five year increment
09:38:58 since inception of the tax starting in program 1 for FY 97
09:39:04 to 01 it gives you all the way through the current program 4
09:39:07 which we are currently in the final year FY 16, a list of
09:39:12 all the projects that have been funded for the City of Tampa
09:39:17 of the tax bond program.
09:39:27 Specific to the program that we are coming before you today
09:39:29 for the public hearing and the resolution requesting
09:39:32 authorization of the project in the five-year program,
09:39:35 again, the county ordinance requires that each participant,
09:39:41 the county and all of the cities including the City of Tampa
09:39:44 within the county provide a five-year project list.
09:39:48 So for years '17 through '21, this is a recap of what is in
09:39:56 your agenda package, your agenda item exhibit A.
09:40:01 And it provides a breakdown of the projects proposed under
09:40:07 this new five-year program.
09:40:09 Program 5.
09:40:10 To start out with the first row, public safety for grand
09:40:15 total of $36 million which is inclusive of over the
09:40:20 five-year period in the first column to the left.
09:40:24 28.2 million of community investment tax --
09:40:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could interrupt you for a second.
09:40:30 Oh, I apologize.
09:40:31 I thought you had a question.
09:40:35 Continue.
09:40:35 I apologize.
09:40:46 Go ahead.
09:40:47 >>SONYA LITTLE: And then we have also been talking for
09:40:51 several weeks if not a couple of months as it relates to
09:40:54 bonding out or funding some of those projects.
09:40:59 Starting out with public safety, in that category for the
09:41:02 five-year program, we are looking to fund new fire stations
09:41:07 which will include design and construction for fire station
09:41:12 number 23 in the New Tampa area.
09:41:16 The city already owns the land.
09:41:18 And we are looking -- moving forward with construction
09:41:22 design and construction for that project.
09:41:24 But it also includes design for another fire station during
09:41:30 this time period in the K-Bar Ranch area.
09:41:35 Further to that point, it will also cover fire station
09:41:39 remodeling.
09:41:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could interrupt you again.
09:41:42 This time, Mrs. Montelione.
09:41:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: These numbers as we talked about
09:41:49 yesterday don't include any breakdowns.
09:41:52 So it doesn't tell me what percentage -- it doesn't tell
09:41:59 anybody, not just me, doesn't tell anybody what percentage
09:42:02 of that funding will go to the new fire stations, what will
09:42:06 go to remodeling, what will go to fire rescue vehicles, what
09:42:09 will go to police vehicles.
09:42:11 So it's just a lump sum for those five things.
09:42:15 >>SONYA LITTLE: Well, I can tell you for fire station 23,
09:42:19 the estimates are 4.7 million.
09:42:23 Again, we already own the land.
09:42:24 So roughly 4.7 million for completion of design and
09:42:30 construction.
09:42:32 And then the bulk of that is our vehicle -- public safety
09:42:38 vehicle program we have been talking about for years,
09:42:41 especially for police department replacement program such as
09:42:47 it is.
09:42:48 We have vehicles that don't rotate out for nine -- actually,
09:42:53 10, 11, 12, 13 years. So the goal has been over the last
09:42:59 couple of years to start moving towards at least a nine year
09:43:03 replacement program.
09:43:04 So with the C.I.T. funding for lease vehicles over the
09:43:10 five-year period, our goal is to get all of our vehicles,
09:43:14 all of our patrol vehicles on the nine year replacement
09:43:17 program.
09:43:18 So roughly $22.5 million.
09:43:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we have got 22.5 for just the police
09:43:28 vehicles?
09:43:31 >>SONYA LITTLE: Over a five-year period, yes, ma'am.
09:43:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And 4.7 for construction of fire station
09:43:42 number 23.
09:43:43 >>SONYA LITTLE: That's correct.
09:43:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So that -- that is 28 roughly.
09:43:49 >>SONYA LITTLE: Well, I am not done.
09:43:53 The rest it is fire vehicles also is a large bulk of it.
09:43:58 Over 8 million to replace the majority of the priority of
09:44:03 fire vehicle exempt by the department.
09:44:08 Including ambulance and fire rescue vehicles.
09:44:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Over a five-year period.
09:44:14 That's 8 million.
09:44:15 And new fire truck is a million.
09:44:21 Roughly.
09:44:21 >>SONYA LITTLE: This is for ambulances and fire rescue
09:44:25 vehicles.
09:44:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Chief Forward and I had a little talk
09:44:32 about this yesterday.
09:44:32 I'm always looking for more.
09:44:34 Some of our stations don't have rescue vehicles at all.
09:44:40 So I think, if I am correct, Chief Forward, it was 14 of the
09:44:45 stations have rescue vehicles?
09:44:49 Okay, so 14 of the current 22 stations have rescue vehicles.
09:44:56 14 out of 22.
09:45:02 I think the general public, I don't know, even most of the
09:45:06 city police, I would think every station has a rescue
09:45:09 vehicle because you would like to think when you call for an
09:45:12 emergency, the closest fire station is going to have a
09:45:15 rescue vehicle that's going to come get you.
09:45:17 And we are in 14 out of our 22 stations.
09:45:23 That's a real concern.
09:45:24 So I don't know what kind of -- as we go into the budget
09:45:28 process, I'll be bringing that up again and again and again,
09:45:32 because we need to have more rescue vehicles.
09:45:35 We can only rely on outside transport for so much.
09:45:39 They only provide basic life support.
09:45:41 So we have a need for those rescue vehicles.
09:45:45 And 8 million is over five years is not going to go really
09:45:51 far.
09:45:51 >>SONYA LITTLE: Well, this isn't the end all be all,
09:45:56 because as you mentioned we are in the middle of our budget
09:45:59 process. This is only one component. This comes out
09:46:02 because of our requirements under the county ordinance.
09:46:04 So, yes, we have been having discussions with fire
09:46:09 department --
09:46:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right, Chief Forward and I have this
09:46:13 conversation a couple of times a year and he always know I
09:46:15 am going to fight to get him more equipment and more
09:46:18 personnel.
09:46:18 You can't have equipment if you don't have the personnel to
09:46:21 go along it with.
09:46:21 >>SONYA LITTLE: Right.
09:46:23 On the budget side we discussed both the additional
09:46:26 personnel for budgeting purposes, on the general government
09:46:30 side, that is not a C.I.T. qualified -- right -- but also
09:46:36 the additional equipment on that site as well.
09:46:39 But as far as allocating the resources that are available to
09:46:42 C.I.T. funding, this is our project list.
09:46:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not that I don't think the police
09:46:50 department deserves 22.5 million but it just seems a bit
09:46:54 lopsided.
09:46:54 So we have 8 million in fire and 22.5 with police.
09:46:59 So that number just seems a little lop sided to me.
09:47:03 But that's all I am going to say about that.
09:47:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda, off question?
09:47:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Along those same lines -- and I
09:47:11 appreciate everything that we discussed yesterday.
09:47:14 I appreciate your honesty and your straightforwardness,
09:47:18 yourself and your staff.
09:47:19 The reason in my mind is that the vehicle breakdowns are
09:47:24 much more prevalent in the police department than they are
09:47:26 in the fire department because they are on the road a lot
09:47:29 more often as far as time, on shifts.
09:47:34 The reason being that sometime back, two administrations
09:47:39 back, under the Greco administration, there were 06 vehicles
09:47:44 at a time being at the shop that were unavailable.
09:47:47 So we had ab asset that was not used at all.
09:47:51 We had public services that were not given at all because
09:47:56 the vehicles were down, and we had area expansions larger in
09:48:01 the area because the vehicles were not available at all.
09:48:04 That was made at that time necessarily to change the regular
09:48:09 routine or whatever regular was at that time.
09:48:12 That was done.
09:48:13 And I pressures and your administration's courage to come up
09:48:17 and say we are having the same problem before we get to it,
09:48:22 let's solve it.
09:48:23 And when a vehicle is down, no matter what service it is,
09:48:26 the public is not getting their due process of service.
09:48:31 So these investments are costly.
09:48:33 These investments -- however, as costly as they are, on the
09:48:38 other side of the ledger, what does it cost of something not
09:48:42 getting done?
09:48:44 A quick response, a faster time to get there, the saving of
09:48:48 a life in the fire department, apprehension of an evil --
09:48:55 whatever that evilness may be by the police department --
09:48:58 and these are the things you have to look at, like you and I
09:49:02 and your staff discussed yesterday as to why these things
09:49:04 become paramount, necessary, and the service that we do.
09:49:07 And all we are really as a government is a service.
09:49:11 Sounds simple but it's very complex.
09:49:13 And again I want to thank you and your staff for taking the
09:49:15 time to meet with me yesterday.
09:49:17 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
09:49:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:49:19 Any other questions?
09:49:24 Mrs. Little, go ahead.
09:49:25 >>SONYA LITTLE: All right, public safety, 36 million.
09:49:29 The next category is parks and rec for a total of 22.4.
09:49:39 At a previous City Council meeting we discussed and approved
09:49:42 the $15 million for Julian B. Lane, and over and beyond that
09:49:47 an additional under this program, an additional $5.8 million
09:49:52 for other improvements to exhibiting parks, included in that
09:49:57 category as well.
09:50:02 Transportation, our bridges, and particularly Brorein and
09:50:09 Cass Street bridges are in need of repairs as it relates to
09:50:12 construction and electrical.
09:50:14 So 5.6 million of that is going towards our bridge repairs
09:50:21 with the remaining amount of that total 7.1 for sidewalk and
09:50:26 the intersection improvements.
09:50:31 Again on stormwater we came before you at a previous City
09:50:34 Council meeting with a proposal for the capital improvement
09:50:38 assessment for stormwater which included a $20 million
09:50:43 contribution from the C.I.T. funding.
09:50:47 Just to be remind everybody that we are talking about a
09:50:49 five-year project list, but this proposal assumes that a
09:50:54 loan would be obtained in order to general rate the $50
09:50:57 million in the middle column to fund these projects and pay
09:51:01 back over a ten-year period.
09:51:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Go ahead, Mr. Cohen.
09:51:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Two questions.
09:51:08 The first one, how did you determine which of these items
09:51:11 you wanted to pay for directly out of the tax and which you
09:51:15 wanted to be funded by the debt?
09:51:16 It would seem that the two really are the same.
09:51:22 Why is one in one column rather than the other?
09:51:26 >>SONYA LITTLE: When you are considering that it makes more
09:51:28 sense -- it has to have a useful life of the actual asset
09:51:32 that at least is less than or equal to -- or equal to the
09:51:38 term of the debt.
09:51:38 >>HARRY COHEN: So new cars would be a bad thing to finance
09:51:41 with the debt because the car might not make it to the term
09:51:46 of the bonding?
09:51:48 >>SONYA LITTLE: Exactly.
09:51:49 Yes, sir.
09:51:49 Under that column it would be specialty equipment that has a
09:51:52 longer life, a longer useful life that would be more
09:51:55 appropriate to put in the debt column.
09:51:58 >>HARRY COHEN: And then my second question is about the $20
09:52:01 million.
09:52:01 Regardless of whether council goes forward with what we had
09:52:07 talked about based on what Mr. Maniscalco brought back a few
09:52:12 weeks ago, this money would -- there would be $20 million
09:52:16 over the next five years for stormwater.
09:52:21 If we don't go forward with the other proposal, this 20
09:52:24 million, it would still be there.
09:52:27 >>SONYA LITTLE: Under this plan, yes, sir, it would still
09:52:29 be there.
09:52:30 For stormwater purposes.
09:52:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before you go on I have one quick question,
09:52:34 and this is something that we had talked about privately,
09:52:36 too, which is why go it alone as opposed to a bond issue or
09:52:41 something like that, in terms of the differences for how
09:52:45 much we have to pay back in terms of the interest rate and
09:52:48 so on, if you could just explain that really quickly.
09:52:51 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, sir.
09:52:52 We are always seeking to get the lowest interest cost
09:52:55 possible, and at the time that we are ready to proceed with
09:52:57 this project, with the issuance of debt, we will surveil the
09:53:03 market to determine if a bank loan or a bond issue provides
09:53:06 the city with the lowest cost, all market driven, and it
09:53:11 flip-flops day to day, which is more economical.
09:53:14 So we'll determine that at the time we are ready to proceed
09:53:16 with the transaction.
09:53:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And with bond issues typically they are
09:53:20 longer issues as opposed to loans where you can do a shorter
09:53:23 issue and maybe get better interest.
09:53:25 >>SONYA LITTLE: Most often than not, bank loans are more
09:53:31 frequently the more attractive vehicle.
09:53:34 12349 thank you.
09:53:35 Any other questions before we go on?
09:53:37 Mrs. Little.
09:53:37 >>SONYA LITTLE: Thank you.
09:53:46 And then the final page of the presentation provides the
09:53:54 debt service that we have been talking about.
09:53:56 You are aware that we already have outstanding C.I.T. debt,
09:54:01 series 2006 which was issued to fund park improvements, and
09:54:06 then in 2010 we did a refund to decrease the debt service
09:54:10 and generate tax flow savings, and the figures here provide
09:54:14 the annual debt service over the five-year period, total
09:54:22 that we would pay out in the debt.
09:54:25 And summarizes it in each of the columns.
09:54:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for excellent estimates, and
09:54:39 those what these are.
09:54:40 And I am appreciative of all your statements.
09:54:42 However, let me just say that we have to look forward at
09:54:48 this C.I.T., or the community investment tax, as it's well
09:54:51 known, doesn't last forever.
09:54:53 It ends in the year 2026.
09:54:57 So what I'm saying, whoever wants to run for these seats,
09:55:01 whoever may be here at that time, all these moneys that you
09:55:03 look at, it's not paper money, it's real money.
09:55:06 So these replacements are going to happen every so often.
09:55:09 These costs are to be incurred, standardized in a period of
09:55:14 time, and also the repairs of the funding of stadiums that
09:55:19 were brought into this thing will still happen.
09:55:21 So whoever takes this seat and whoever takes the seat next
09:55:24 door, get prepared, because that paper money of monopoly
09:55:30 will not exist.
09:55:32 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
09:55:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:55:34 Nip other questions or comments?
09:55:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am going to bring up Julian B. Lane park,
09:55:39 because it's 15 million, right, Mrs. Little?
09:55:47 >>SONYA LITTLE: Yes, ma'am.
09:55:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And the reason we I bring it up, and we
09:55:54 voted on it last week.
09:55:55 I wanted to say that when I voted, and my colleagues here,
09:55:59 that it was -- the goal was a better quality of life.
09:56:02 And with a better quality of life, we encourage economic
09:56:05 development, and economic development in turn has companies
09:56:09 coming to our area and staying in our area, and that in turn
09:56:12 creates better quality of life and jobs, a very important
09:56:17 part.
09:56:18 Also, when we looked at this amount of money, I have always
09:56:22 said that we need to -- our future depends on the ability to
09:56:29 plan, assess the risk, understand the return on investment,
09:56:33 and reinvestment along with the courage to act.
09:56:37 And this council has that courage.
09:56:39 So I just want to say that, because I did not get the chance
09:56:42 last week.
09:56:42 And it's here 15 million so I am bringing it up now.
09:56:47 Thank you.
09:56:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione.
09:56:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So being the only council member who
09:56:55 voted against it, I did have the opportunity to speak about
09:56:58 that last week, and since I brought up numbers in a previous
09:57:03 statement that I made, again, I am all for quality of life.
09:57:08 Everybody knows that I am all in favor of economic
09:57:11 development, but I in large part want to see that quality of
09:57:18 life and economic development happen in many areas of the
09:57:21 city.
09:57:22 We have North Tampa with the University of South Florida,
09:57:25 Busch Gardens, Moffitt Cancer Center, I can go own and on
09:57:30 with the assets we have there, and I have not seen that kind
09:57:33 of investment in that area to the third largest job center
09:57:39 in the entire county.
09:57:42 And having all of this money, and you gave me the numbers
09:57:46 last week, we have got multi-million dollar parks within an
09:57:51 8th of a mile of each other.
09:57:53 And that's a tremendous asset.
09:57:56 It will spur, you know, a lot of changes downtown, but there
09:58:05 is an inequity of balance from what I see, and it's not just
09:58:09 in the numbers I talked about earlier but in these numbers
09:58:13 as well.
09:58:14 So that's what I will maintain and continue to champion for
09:58:20 is the investment to be spread out amongst many areas of the
09:58:24 city and not clustered in just one.
09:58:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen.
09:58:29 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, I admire your passion for your
09:58:35 district, but I think it's important to point out that the
09:58:37 one new fire station that we are voting on today in the
09:58:42 community investment tax is going to be built in your
09:58:44 district.
09:58:44 And I am voting for it because I believe that it is
09:58:48 important to invest in all areas of the city, and that's
09:58:51 precisely what we are doing.
09:58:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for bringing that up.
09:58:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: [Off microphone.]
09:59:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Well, you got it now.
09:59:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we have been waiting for that fire
09:59:07 station.
09:59:07 So very happy after nine years we are having a design -- a
09:59:14 construction of fire station 23, and with the preponderance
09:59:17 of economic development near the county line, it's way past
09:59:21 due.
09:59:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
09:59:23 Any other comments or questions for Mrs. Little?
09:59:33 Thank you, Mrs. Little.
09:59:34 Before we go forward is there anyone in the public that
09:59:36 would like to speak on item number 43?
09:59:39 This is a public hearing concerning this item.
09:59:40 43.
09:59:41 >> Motion to close.
09:59:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion to close from Mr. Miranda.
09:59:47 Second from Mr. Cohen.
09:59:48 All in favor of that motion?
09:59:50 Any opposed?
09:59:52 Miranda move the resolution.
09:59:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Miranda.
09:59:55 Second from Mr. Cohen to move this resolution.
09:59:57 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
10:00:00 Any opposed?
10:00:01 Thank you.
10:00:04 Next up, I think -- are there members from the Heart
10:00:07 Association here?
10:00:08 Before we go on to our public hearings, set for 9:30 a.m.,
10:00:13 if I could have the members of the American Heart
10:00:15 Association come forward.
10:00:34 Come up to the podium, ladies.
10:00:36 Yes.
10:00:38 Mrs. Capin will do the honors for City Council.
10:00:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Today we welcome the American Heart
10:00:52 Association to the City Council in honor of CPR appreciation
10:01:02 week, and Katie Kimbell, American Heart Association chair,
10:01:06 and Dr. Robert Benges, board member and missions committee
10:01:13 chair, and you are another board member. Javier Cuevas.
10:01:18 Thank you.
10:01:19 You know, that's great.
10:01:22 You did the rowing team and Heart Association.
10:01:25 Those fantastic.
10:01:26 And Robert isn't with us today but I would like to recognize
10:01:34 him.
10:01:34 And Katie Fowler, American Heart Association Executive
10:01:40 Director.
10:01:41 And Amanda.
10:01:44 Hi, Amanda.
10:01:45 American Heart Association community health director.
10:01:49 One of the things the American Heart Association's training
10:01:52 program save lives, here are statistics.
10:01:55 70% of out of hospital cardiac arrests happen at home and
10:02:02 90% of the people who suffer out of hospital cardiac arrests
10:02:05 die.
10:02:09 That's huge.
10:02:10 Only 46% of the people who experience cardiac arrest get the
10:02:13 immediate help they need before professional help arrives.
10:02:17 That's what we are doing here today.
10:02:25 Hands-only CPR has been shown to be effective as
10:02:29 conventional CPR and can be learned in less than 90 second.
10:02:35 I did it.
10:02:36 It's really amazing what the can happen with that.
10:02:40 By doing the viewing the American Heart Association's
10:02:45 training video, heart.org at slash hands-only CPR, just
10:02:54 click it.
10:02:55 It's a 90 second video and you never know when you are going
10:02:59 to find yourself.
10:02:59 We all know I am just going to read the commendation.
10:03:10 During CPR/ADD awareness week of June 1 through 7, 2016,
10:03:17 Tampa City Council is honored to recognize the American
10:03:19 Heart Association for their outstanding work of saving lives
10:03:23 in the Tampa Bay community.
10:03:24 The American Heart Association's mission is to increase the
10:03:29 survival rate from one of our nation's leading cause of
10:03:33 death.
10:03:33 Cardiac arrest each year over 350,000 out-of-hospital
10:03:38 cardiac arrests occurring in the United States and survival
10:03:41 depends on the immediate CPR.
10:03:43 The American Heart Association's CPR training plays a vital
10:03:47 role in the person's chance to survive -- of survival since
10:03:53 it can double or even triple a person's chance of surviving
10:03:58 cardiac arrest.
10:03:59 It is Tampa City Council's privilege to commend the American
10:04:03 Heart Association and express our gratitude for your
10:04:07 commitment and education and training to our community.
10:04:10 Thank you.
10:04:11 [ Applause ]
10:04:26 >> Thank you so much.
10:04:29 Really, thank you to the entire council and to the City of
10:04:31 Tampa.
10:04:34 I am Katie temple.
10:04:36 I'm chairman of the American Heart Association, Tampa Bay
10:04:39 metro board.
10:04:40 And about 18 months ago, we set a goal to materially improve
10:04:45 the chain of survival of our residents in Tampa Bay, and all
10:04:50 of the research has absolutely proven, all of the statistics
10:04:58 that were shared, but it's so true, the chances of survival
10:05:02 when CPR is administered immediately after a heart event
10:05:07 will double or even triple a person's chance of survival.
10:05:12 And because it's the number one killer, chances are that the
10:05:16 person that will be administering CPR and helping the victim
10:05:21 is a loved one, or a colleague, or a fellow student or a
10:05:26 teacher.
10:05:27 So the work that we are doing, and you are doing, will
10:05:33 absolutely improve those lives.
10:05:35 Our goal is to train 150,000 people in the Tampa Bay area by
10:05:40 the end of 2017.
10:05:43 And I thank you because your efforts will actually help
10:05:47 us -- not help us -- will enable us to achieve that goal.
10:05:51 Thank you.
10:05:53 [ Applause ]
10:06:00 >> Can I get a picture with you?
10:06:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Sure.
10:06:04 I love pictures.
10:06:04 >> Both my grandfathers died of massive heart attacks at
10:06:08 young airlines, they were in the their mid 50s.
10:06:11 And if that type of technology and that type of training was
10:06:15 available in the mid to late sixth when they passed away, I
10:06:19 would have had a grandfather.
10:06:20 And I did not growing up.
10:06:21 So it is a great thing that you do.
10:06:23 Thank you so much for training folks and making sure that
10:06:26 their loved ones are not going to have to suffer not having
10:06:30 a loved one around.
10:06:31 So thank you so much for everything you do.
10:06:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am just going to say this to everyone
10:06:36 that's listening, it really is simple.
10:06:39 And it is so simple.
10:06:42 I was very impressed.
10:06:44 When I first looked at it, and how simple it was, even I can
10:06:49 do it.
10:06:52 Thank you so much.
10:06:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, ladies.
10:06:54 We are going to start our 9:30 public hearings.
10:06:57 If I could get a motion to open 44 through 58.
10:07:02 I have a motion from Mr. Miranda, a second from Mr.
10:07:05 Maniscalco.
10:07:06 All in favor of that motion?
10:07:07 Any opposed?
10:07:08 Okay.
10:07:09 Item number 44, still non-quasi-judicial.
10:07:12 And I think we have staff to talk about number 44.
10:07:21 Anyone from staff here to speak on item number 44?
10:07:24 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:07:29 Related to the forfeiture and that's all the information I
10:07:31 have right now.
10:07:32 If you would like a more detailed report I can send you more
10:07:35 information on that.
10:07:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: To comply with state law that becomes
10:07:40 effective the first of July.
10:07:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Miranda S.therein anyone in
10:07:46 the public to speak on item number 44?
10:07:49 Motion to close from Mr. Miranda.
10:07:50 I have a second from Mrs. Capin.
10:07:52 All in favor of that motion?
10:07:54 Any opposed?
10:07:55 Mr. Miranda, if you could take number 44.
10:07:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move file E-2016-8 chapter 14, an
10:08:02 ordinance presented for second reading and adoption, an
10:08:02 ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida, amending Tampa City
10:08:04 Code, section 14-30, to modify the definition of knowledge
10:08:09 required on the part of a vehicle owner to identify -- to
10:08:15 deny qualification as an innocent owner under the ordinance
10:08:18 and to change the standard of proof required in judicial
10:08:21 proceedings, providing for severability, providing an
10:08:23 effective date.
10:08:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mr. Miranda, a second
10:08:27 from Mr. Cohen.
10:08:28 Please vote and record.
10:08:46 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick and Montelione
10:08:51 being absent.
10:08:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Now we are going to continue to with items
10:08:55 45 through 58. If anyone is going to speak on items 45
10:08:58 through 58, please stand and be sworn.
10:09:01 (Oath administered by Clerk).
10:09:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much.
10:09:13 Item number 45.
10:09:14 >>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
10:09:18 The site plan has been revised and submitted to the city
10:09:22 clerk's office.
10:09:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:09:23 Petitioner?
10:09:24 >> Good morning.
10:09:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone in the audience that would
10:09:39 like to speak on item 45, AB-2-15-22?
10:09:44 Please come forward.
10:09:45 >> Good morning.
10:09:52 My name is Dwight Bolden, own a business at 1611 north
10:09:58 Albany Avenue.
10:09:59 And I come here representing some of the business owners in
10:10:05 the area.
10:10:06 And we oppose the license being permitted to that business
10:10:13 on the grounds of, one, more people would be here if the
10:10:19 notice had been provided.
10:10:29 For the last hearing and this hearing.
10:10:30 It was an eleventh-hour decision to be here because we did
10:10:34 not find out until last night that this hearing would take
10:10:39 place.
10:10:40 West Tampa, and this redevelopment, has been under a lot of
10:10:50 pressure from folks that live in the immediate area because
10:10:56 there has not been attention paid to the folks that live and
10:11:01 work in the immediate area.
10:11:09 We oppose this term basically because there are alcohol
10:11:17 businesses in the area, for quite a while.
10:11:23 And one more, we feel, is a little too much.
10:11:28 The other part of that is that another alcohol business in
10:11:35 this area has put a weight on the businesses in the area as
10:11:41 far as parking.
10:11:42 My business is impacted by his customers that don't live in
10:11:48 the area who come down to the area from other places and
10:11:53 take up parking spaces all over the place, and you can't get
10:11:56 to the businesses that have been there and have exhibited
10:12:01 over the years because of his customers taking up parking
10:12:07 spaces that really are not wanted.
10:12:12 He has people parking in business there, in the business
10:12:17 area, in that area, that the owners of that area don't even
10:12:24 know there is parking there because they are coming at hours
10:12:30 that they are not around.
10:12:32 I am not going to take up any more time.
10:12:34 I want to thank you and ask you to please to not permit the
10:12:43 permit.
10:12:44 Thank you, sir.
10:12:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:12:46 Next up, please, sir.
10:12:47 >> Good morning.
10:12:54 I'm with West Tampa alliance.
10:12:56 And we also oppose this business permit through the fact
10:13:02 that we first came to West Tampa, we expected that things
10:13:11 are going to be okay.
10:13:12 Well, since that time, we had some bad things going on with
10:13:18 Mr. Morris and his contractors.
10:13:20 All this was in the paper because of what had happened one
10:13:25 morning.
10:13:29 Mr. Morris and saying things that are untrue that he's again
10:13:35 been going around meeting with the business owners.
10:13:37 And they approved of him coming there, and that's not true.
10:13:42 And he's been saying that he's been cleaning up around the
10:13:47 area, in that community.
10:13:50 That's a lie.
10:13:52 Mr. Morris has been having his customers park in the parking
10:13:57 lot, and these people have been, the people in West Tampa
10:14:05 alliance, have been cleaning up since the time he's been
10:14:07 there.
10:14:09 He said that he's been cleaning up around the area for some
10:14:12 time, and he hasn't.
10:14:16 As a matter of fact, you can go behind his building right
10:14:18 now and see all the trash that he has behind his building
10:14:24 came out the front of his place that he trimmed the palm
10:14:30 trees in front of his place and had the guys put it in the
10:14:33 back of the building.
10:14:34 And I also witnessed Mr. Morris coming over to a dumpster
10:14:41 over by the church that I attend, didn't even open the trash
10:14:48 container to put the trash in.
10:14:50 Just throwed it around the dumpster.
10:14:54 What I'm saying is this.
10:14:58 The community and the business owners don't feel that he's
10:15:01 the type of person to be in West Tampa as a business owner.
10:15:07 More people like Mr. Bolden was saying most people are
10:15:12 unable to be here, and as he said, we didn't know anything
10:15:15 about this.
10:15:18 But we go against it.
10:15:21 And I hope that you consider that.
10:15:25 Thanks.
10:15:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.
10:15:27 Anyone else that is going to speak on item number 45?
10:15:30 45?
10:15:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Move to close.
10:15:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Hang on a second.
10:15:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: One more?
10:15:37 I'm sorry.
10:15:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No problem.
10:15:39 Go ahead.
10:15:39 >> Just a comment on the last person who spoke.
10:15:45 I actually spoke to him yesterday it.
10:15:47 >> Could you state your name again?
10:15:49 >> Robert Morris.
10:15:50 I am shocked at what I am hearing.
10:15:54 He knows what I am doing.
10:15:58 He made no reference to that yesterday when I spoke to him.
10:16:04 So I am completely shocked that those comments are not true,
10:16:08 and he knows -- his brother in the neighborhood works with W
10:16:14 me, and he would pay him to take care of it.
10:16:17 So what he's saying is utterly false and I am shocked at
10:16:19 those comments.
10:16:21 I am just really upset about that right now.
10:16:24 Yes, he never said anything or talked about this before.
10:16:32 They are in much support of us being there.
10:16:34 So I'm just shocked.
10:16:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.
10:16:37 Before we go forward I have one question of staff.
10:16:40 One of the public members mentioned about not being noticed
10:16:44 on this particular item.
10:16:45 I just want to make sure was this duly noticed?
10:16:48 >>GLORIA MOREDA: I think you have to remember that the
10:16:50 original public hearing was December 17th, and
10:16:53 continuously hearings are not noticed.
10:16:56 By mail.
10:17:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So the second public hearing is not going to
10:17:02 be noticed because --
10:17:04 >>GLORIA MOREDA: It is not done by mail.
10:17:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: By mail.
10:17:08 Thank you.
10:17:08 Any other questions or comments?
10:17:13 Sir, there's no more public comment now.
10:17:15 You have had your say.
10:17:17 Yes, ma'am?
10:17:19 >>THE CLERK: The first reading that was done, I did
10:17:23 announce the second public hearing would be on June 2nd
10:17:26 at 9:30 a.m.
10:17:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
10:17:30 Any other comments or questions from council?
10:17:34 To staff or anyone else?
10:17:36 I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione to close, second by Mr.
10:17:38 Miranda.
10:17:39 All in favor of that motion?
10:17:41 Any opposed?
10:17:43 Okay.
10:17:43 Mrs. Capin, will you take number 45, please?
10:17:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: With pleasure.
10:17:48 An ordinance being presented for second reading and
10:17:50 adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit S-2
10:17:54 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue, on premises
10:17:57 consumption only and making lawful the sale of beer and wine
10:18:00 at or from the that certain lot, plot or tract of land
10:18:04 located at 2106 west Main Street, Tampa, Florida as more
10:18:08 particularly described in section 2, that all ordinances or
10:18:11 parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an
10:18:14 effective date.
10:18:15 >> Second.
10:18:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mrs. Ma can Capin.
10:18:19 I have a second from Mrs. Montelione.
10:18:21 Please record your votes.
10:18:23 >>THE CLERK: I'm showing that Miranda voted no, Suarez
10:18:34 voted no, and Reddick absent. Motion carried.
10:18:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 46.
10:18:40 46.
10:18:40 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: Land Development Coordination.
10:18:45 Good morning.
10:18:47 For item number 46 through 56, these are all rezonings,
10:18:52 special use of petitions that were heard.
10:18:54 The first reading at the May 12 evening meeting.
10:18:58 They are all prepared today for second reading.
10:19:03 All required changes between first and second reading have
10:19:06 been completed.
10:19:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:19:11 Petitioner.
10:19:12 Item number 46.
10:19:12 >> my name is Juanita, representing the owner.
10:19:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:19:23 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
10:19:26 item number 46, REZ 15-66?
10:19:31 >> Move to close.
10:19:32 >> Motion from Mr. Miranda.
10:19:34 Second from Mrs. Capin.
10:19:35 All in favor?
10:19:36 Any opposed?
10:19:37 Mr. Cohen, will you take number 46, please?
10:19:39 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
10:19:41 I move an ordinance being presented for second reading and
10:19:44 adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
10:19:46 vicinity of 2713 St. Louis street and 2801 north Habana
10:19:51 Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly
10:19:54 described in section 1 from zoning district classifications
10:19:57 RS-50 residential, single-family, to PD, planned
10:20:01 development, residential, single-family detached, providing
10:20:04 an effective date.
10:20:04 >> Motion from Mr. Cohen.
10:20:07 Second from Mrs. Montelione.
10:20:09 Please record your votes.
10:20:10 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick and Maniscalco
10:20:22 being absent.
10:20:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:20:24 Item number 47.
10:20:24 Is there anyone here to speak on item number 47?
10:20:31 Petitioner?
10:20:32 If you are the petitioner, please come forward.
10:20:36 >> Good afternoon. K.C. McMahon.
10:20:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Anybody anyone in the public to speak on 47?
10:20:50 47?
10:20:51 Motion to close by Mr. Miranda.
10:20:53 Second by Mrs. Capin.
10:20:55 All in favor?
10:20:57 Opposed?
10:20:57 Mrs. Montelione, please take number 47.
10:21:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move an ordinance being presented for
10:21:04 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
10:21:06 in the general vicinity of 320 west Columbus Drive in the
10:21:09 city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in
10:21:12 section 1 from zoning district classifications RM-16
10:21:15 residential multifamily to RM-24 residential multifamily
10:21:19 providing an effective date.
10:21:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
10:21:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mrs. Montelione.
10:21:23 Second from Mrs. Capin.
10:21:25 Please record your vote.
10:21:26 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick and Maniscalco
10:21:36 being absent.
10:21:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:21:39 Number 48.
10:21:39 Please come forward.
10:21:40 If you are the petitioner please come forward.
10:21:42 >> K.C. McMahon, petitioner. The one thing the first time,
10:21:51 a detached structure in the back of the unit that you were
10:21:58 unable to see.
10:21:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Put it on the Elmo.
10:22:01 Put it on the side there.
10:22:03 The other way.
10:22:04 The other way.
10:22:05 >> There we go.
10:22:07 We didn't have pictures of the back unit to offer and I
10:22:11 wanted to make sure that you can see that we are not
10:22:13 building by any means, everything already exists, and
10:22:21 there's the picture.
10:22:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you for bringing that forward.
10:22:23 Any questions by council?
10:22:24 In S there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
10:22:27 item number 48, 48?
10:22:28 >> Move to close.
10:22:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mrs. Montelione.
10:22:34 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
10:22:36 All in favor of that motion?
10:22:37 Opposed?
10:22:38 Mr. Miranda, please take number 48.
10:22:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move REZ 16-23, ordinance for second
10:22:46 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
10:22:48 general vicinity of 306 west Columbus Drive in the city of
10:22:51 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
10:22:53 from zoning district classifications RM-16 residential
10:22:56 multifamily to RM-24 residential multifamily providing an
10:23:00 effective date.
10:23:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Miranda, second Mr.
10:23:04 from Mr. Maniscalco.
10:23:07 Please record your vote.
10:23:08 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:23:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 49.
10:23:17 Is there a petitioner here?
10:23:20 I apologize.
10:23:21 >>REBECCA KERT: Legal department.
10:23:23 As part of or slightly after your hearing on the rezoning, a
10:23:30 request to provide a report to council prior to second
10:23:32 reading regarding how the impact fee and mitigation money
10:23:35 can be designated in the into the neighborhood where it is
10:23:38 being projected.
10:23:39 I understood that being tied whether you could do it through
10:23:42 the rezoning process and a rezoning is float to dictate how
10:23:47 the impact fee money is to be spent, to be expended.
10:23:51 There was a broader question.
10:23:53 Than I can have transportation explain if you wanted a
10:23:58 broader discussion on it, to have transportation, how the
10:24:04 impact fee money is being collected and how the project is
10:24:07 being funded or determined.
10:24:09 And recently, a year ago, approximately, you adopted a
10:24:13 multimodal impact fee which was based upon specific studies,
10:24:17 and they can explain how those studies help determine where
10:24:20 that impact fee money can be spent is.
10:24:23 But as far as for rezoning that would not be appropriate.
10:24:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:24:31 Any questions of staff on this issue?
10:24:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I would like to make a motion to have staff
10:24:37 come in and --
10:24:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We'll do that under new business.
10:24:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Got it.
10:24:46 Okay.
10:24:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone in the public that would
10:24:48 like to speak on item 49?
10:24:50 49?
10:24:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:24:53 Oh, oh, oh.
10:24:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I see we do have someone.
10:24:56 >> Al Steenson: 4100 west Leila, 33616.
10:25:14 As far as the petition is concerned, our position is the
10:25:17 same as it was on May 12.
10:25:19 We have no opposition to it.
10:25:20 But I would like to comment regarding the impact fee
10:25:24 question that I brought up.
10:25:28 And I realize that this can be a little sticky situation.
10:25:32 But I did some research on this.
10:25:36 And the last time these impact fees were updated was 1989.
10:25:43 It was a report brought, paid for by Tindale-Oliver and the
10:25:49 report was updated in September 2009.
10:25:53 At that time there was no action taken, no fees increased,
10:25:56 no boundaries changed.
10:25:59 The area that I live in, the Interbay zone, is the second
10:26:02 largest geographical impact rezoning in the city.
10:26:05 We know what's coming down the pike.
10:26:08 We know what's happened in the last five years.
10:26:10 And we know what's coming to us.
10:26:18 Possibly hopefully -- well, we respectfully request that a
10:26:21 report be made up giving us the dollar moneys collected in
10:26:29 the impact fee zone and where that money went to, what
10:26:33 projects did it go to?
10:26:35 And perhaps it may be a time for us to ask for a change in
10:26:40 the boundaries of some of these impact fee zones.
10:26:47 You have got the one little tiny one downtown, the central
10:26:50 business district.
10:26:50 We know what's going on there.
10:26:53 Look at the building that's going on.
10:26:56 Where is that impact fee going?
10:26:58 So with regard to that, I would really like for us to
10:27:04 consider another method on the allocation of these impact
10:27:09 fees.
10:27:10 But what we are doing now, there's got to be a better way.
10:27:14 There's got to be a better way.
10:27:16 Thank you very much.
10:27:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I apologize to petitioner.
10:27:19 I went to public comment before I went to you.
10:27:22 I apologize.
10:27:23 Thank you, Mr. Steenson.
10:27:26 >>GINA GRIMES: Hill, Ward, Henderson, 101 Kennedy Boulevard.
10:27:29 I represent the petitioner courtland partners.
10:27:33 And as far as that issue is concerned on the impact fee
10:27:36 money, one of the items that Mr. Steenson and I discussed is
10:27:43 whether or not especially in this situation the payment of
10:27:46 our impact fees and mitigation fee totaled about $225,000,
10:27:52 whether or not that could somehow be used to accelerate the
10:27:56 improvements at Westshore at Gandy which need to be done,
10:28:00 not just for our project but for a host of other projects in
10:28:03 that area.
10:28:04 And I nobody it's been funded but I think the completion of
10:28:08 it is further out in the C.I.T., and I don't know finance
10:28:14 there's any other way we could use the money to accelerate
10:28:18 that and bring it up sooner.
10:28:20 So it's already identified by the city and perhaps this will
10:28:24 help get it done sooner.
10:28:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could, the only suggestion to be
10:28:29 supportive of that outside of this zoning hearing.
10:28:32 >>GINA GRIMES: Right.
10:28:32 >>HARRY COHEN: I was going to suggest that I think that's
10:28:35 an excellent idea to take to Mrs. Duncan.
10:28:38 already in the budget here, and we need to be aware of it.
10:28:43 >>GINA GRIMES: Thank you.
10:28:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone else in the public that
10:28:45 would like to speak on item 49?
10:28:47 49?
10:28:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to close.
10:28:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to close by Mr. Miranda.
10:28:51 I have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.
10:28:53 All in favor of that motion?
10:28:54 Any opposed?
10:28:57 Mr. Maniscalco, will you take number 49, please?
10:29:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Thank you very much.
10:29:02 I have an ordinance being presented for second reading and
10:29:05 adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
10:29:09 vicinity of 636701 South Westshore Boulevard in the city of
10:29:12 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
10:29:14 from zoning district classification RM-24 residential
10:29:18 multifamily to PD planned development, residential,
10:29:20 multifamily, providing an effective date.
10:29:21 >> Second.
10:29:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.
10:29:25 Second bill Mr. Miranda.
10:29:26 Please record your vote.
10:29:27 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:29:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:29:36 Item number 50.
10:29:38 Petitioner?
10:29:38 >> Michael Horner, Dale Mabry Highway for the applicant, be
10:29:48 happy to answer any questions.
10:29:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:29:51 Any questions from council?
10:29:52 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
10:29:54 item number 50, 50?
10:29:57 Motion to close by Mr. Maniscalco, second bill Mr. Miranda.
10:30:00 All in favor of that motion?
10:30:02 Any opposed? Mrs. Capin, will you take item number 50?
10:30:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance being presented for second
10:30:10 reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
10:30:13 general vicinity of 1801 west Sligh Avenue in the city of
10:30:18 Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1
10:30:21 from zoning district classifications RS-50 residential
10:30:24 single-family to RM-16 residential multifamily providing an
10:30:28 effective date.
10:30:30 Motion from Mrs. Capin.
10:30:32 Second from Mr. Miranda.
10:30:33 Please record your vote.
10:30:34 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:30:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 51.
10:30:45 51.
10:30:46 Is petitioner here?
10:30:55 Come up front for any petitioner.
10:30:57 >> J.D. Alsabbagh, Sycamore engineering, 8370 West
10:31:02 Hillsborough Avenue, Suite 205, Tampa, Florida 33615,
10:31:05 nothing to add, look forward to your vote.
10:31:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:31:09 Is there anyone that would like to speak on item number 51?
10:31:14 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen.
10:31:15 A second from Mrs. Montelione.
10:31:17 All in favor of that motion?
10:31:18 Any opposed?
10:31:19 Mr. Cohen, will you please take number 51?
10:31:23 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
10:31:26 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
10:31:30 in the general vicinity of 20610 Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in
10:31:35 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
10:31:37 in section 1 from zoning district classifications PD planned
10:31:40 development bank with drive-in window, office, medical and
10:31:43 office, business/professional, to PD, planned development
10:31:47 bank with drive-in window, office, medical and office,
10:31:51 business/professional providing an effective date.
10:31:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
10:31:56 Second by Mr. Miranda.
10:31:57 Please record your vote.
10:31:58 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:32:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:32:06 Number 52.
10:32:07 Is petitioner here for item 52?
10:32:16 .
10:32:17 >>STEVE MICHELINI: This is a Euclidean zoning requesting to
10:32:20 redevelop lots down in the south Interbay area.
10:32:23 We are respectfully requesting your approval.
10:32:25 >> Your name for the record?
10:32:28 >> Steve Michelini.
10:32:29 >> Is there anyone in the public to speak on item 52?
10:32:32 52?
10:32:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Motion to close.
10:32:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda has a motion.
10:32:42 Second from Mr. Maniscalco.
10:32:43 All in favor of that motion?
10:32:46 Any opposed?
10:32:47 Mr. Maniscalco, will you take item number 52, please.
10:32:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I have an ordinance being presented for
10:32:58 second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property
10:33:01 in the general vicinity of 6804 south Englewood Avenue in
10:33:05 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
10:33:08 in section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-60
10:33:12 residential single-family to RS-50 residential single-family
10:33:15 providing an effective date.
10:33:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.
10:33:19 Second from Mr. Miranda.
10:33:20 Please record your vote.
10:33:21 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:33:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 53.
10:33:32 53.
10:33:33 Petitioner.
10:33:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI: This is a townhouse project.
10:33:39 And again it's Euclidean.
10:33:40 There are no waivers being requested.
10:33:42 We respectfully are requesting approval.
10:33:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you. Is there anyone in the public
10:33:46 that would flick speak on item number 53?
10:33:49 53?
10:33:53 54.
10:33:54 I apologize.
10:33:55 54.
10:33:56 Isn't that corrected?
10:33:57 Or 53.
10:33:59 573.
10:34:05 (Laughter)
10:34:06 I apologize.
10:34:07 Okay.
10:34:08 Anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number
10:34:11 53 again.
10:34:12 I see no one.
10:34:13 Motion to close by Mr. Miranda.
10:34:15 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
10:34:17 All in favor of that motion?
10:34:18 Any opposed?
10:34:20 Ms. Montelione, will you take number 53?
10:34:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Oh, it is my turn.
10:34:25 Thank you.
10:34:27 I move an ordinance rezoning property in the general
10:34:29 vicinity of 310 south Habana Avenue in the city of Tampa,
10:34:33 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from
10:34:36 zoning district classifications PD planned development,
10:34:39 residential, multifamily, office, business/professional and
10:34:43 congregate living facility to RM-18 residential multifamily
10:34:47 providing an effective date.
10:34:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second by Mr. Miranda.
10:34:49 Please record your vote.
10:34:50 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:34:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:34:58 Now to item number 54.
10:35:00 Petitioner.
10:35:01 >>STEVE MICHELINI: This petition again is Euclidean
10:35:06 rezoning, and basically no waivers are being requested and
10:35:10 we will be developing according to code.
10:35:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:35:13 Anyone in the audience that would like to speak on item
10:35:15 number 54.
10:35:17 54.
10:35:18 I see no one.
10:35:19 Motion by Mr. Miranda.
10:35:20 Second from Mr. Cohen.
10:35:21 All in favor of that motion?
10:35:24 Any opposed?
10:35:25 Mr. Miranda, will you take number 54.
10:35:29 Miranda move file REZ 16-3673, for second reading and
10:35:34 adoption, an ordinance rezoning property.
10:35:36 >>it general vicinity of 504 and 510 north Hubert Avenue in
10:35:41 the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described
10:35:43 in section 1 from zoning district classifications RS-50
10:35:47 residential single-family and PD planned development
10:35:49 attached single-family dwelling to RM-18 residential
10:35:52 multifamily, providing an effective date.
10:35:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
10:35:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Miranda.
10:35:56 I have a second by Mrs. Capin.
10:35:58 Please record your vote.
10:36:00 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:36:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 55.
10:36:08 Petitioner.
10:36:15 >> Jason Kinney, Kinney Engineering, 2573 34th Avenue North.
10:36:17 The petition is to remove the PD zoning that happened a
10:36:23 couple years ago, back to an IG.
10:36:31 >> Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak to
10:36:34 item number 55?
10:36:35 Motion to close from Mr. Miranda.
10:36:37 Second from Mrs. Capin.
10:36:38 All in favor of that motion?
10:36:40 Any opposed?
10:36:42 Mrs. Capin, if you take number 55.
10:36:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An ordinance presented for second reading
10:36:49 and adoption, in the general vicinity of 7102 Interbay
10:36:55 Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida and more
10:36:57 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district
10:36:59 classifications PD planned development, hotel, to IG,
10:37:02 industrial general, providing an effective date.
10:37:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Had second from Mr. Cohen.
10:37:07 Please record your vote.
10:37:08 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:37:19 >> Truett Gardner, for a drive-through window, meets all the
10:37:29 criteria, at the intersection of Dale Mabry and Henderson,
10:37:33 triangular piece.
10:37:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone in the public to be speak on
10:37:37 item number 56?
10:37:38 Motion to close by Mr. Miranda, second by Mr. Cohen.
10:37:41 All in favor? Any opposed?
10:37:43 Haven't Mr. Cohen, if you could take number 56.
10:37:46 >>HARRY COHEN: I move an ordinance being presented for
10:37:51 second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a
10:37:53 special use permit S-2 approving a drive-in window in a CG
10:37:58 commercial general zoning district in the general vicinity
10:38:00 of 1001 South Dale Mabry Highway in the city of Tampa,
10:38:04 Florida and as more particularly described in section 1
10:38:08 hereof providing an effective date.
10:38:08 >> Second.
10:38:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A second from Mr. Miranda.
10:38:11 Please record your vote.
10:38:12 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Reddick and Montelione
10:38:21 being absent.
10:38:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:38:24 Item 57.
10:38:24 Staff.
10:38:25 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
10:38:27 I want to remind you the city is the applicant in this
10:38:30 petition.
10:38:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you so much.
10:38:32 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
10:38:35 item number 57?
10:38:37 VAC 16-10.
10:38:39 Motion to close by Mr. Miranda.
10:38:41 I have a second from Mr. Cohen.
10:38:42 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.
10:38:45 Any opposed?
10:38:46 Mr. Maniscalco, would you take number 57, please.
10:38:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I have an ordinance being presented for
10:38:52 second reading and adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing,
10:38:54 discontinuing, and abandoning a portion of 20th Avenue
10:38:58 and alleyway lying south of 21st Avenue north of
10:39:02 17th Avenue east of Avenida Republica de Cuba and west
10:39:08 of 15th street in Cuscaden's grove first addition a
10:39:12 subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County
10:39:15 Florida the same being more fully described in section 1
10:39:18 hereof subject to certain covenants more particularly settle
10:39:21 forth herein providing an effective date.
10:39:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco, second by Mr.
10:39:27 Miranda.
10:39:27 Please record your vote.
10:39:28 >> Motion carried with Reddick being absent.
10:39:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 58.
10:39:36 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.
10:39:41 The applicant couldn't be here today and ask if you would
10:39:47 move this forward.
10:39:49 There were no objections and staff had in a problem with it.
10:39:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone in the public to speak on
10:39:55 VAC 16-013?
10:39:57 Motion to close about from Mr. Miranda.
10:39:59 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
10:40:00 All in favor of that motion?
10:40:02 Any opposed?
10:40:04 Mrs. Montelione loan, if you could take item number 58,
10:40:07 please.
10:40:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Oh, it's my turn again.
10:40:12 An ordinance vacating -- after last week when I couldn't
10:40:15 speak I'm excited.
10:40:17 I'm all excited.
10:40:22 And Mr. Cohen had quite the time laughing last week at me.
10:40:28 An ordinance vacating -- I move an ordinance vacating,
10:40:32 closing and discontinuing and abandoning that certain alley
10:40:39 lying east of Clearfield Avenue and west of Lynn Avenue and
10:40:43 north of Alva street and site of Chelsea street in Chelsea,
10:40:48 a subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County the
10:40:52 same being more fully described in section 1 hereof, subject
10:40:59 to certain easement reservations, covenants,a conditions and
10:41:03 restrictions more particularly set for the herein, providing
10:41:06 an effective date.
10:41:06 >> Motion carried.
10:41:10 With Reddick being absent.
10:41:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion to open number 59.
10:41:13 A second from Mrs. Capin.
10:41:15 All in favor?
10:41:16 Any opposed?
10:41:17 If there is anyone here that is going to speak on item
10:41:19 number 59, E 2016-8 chapter 27, if you are going to speak,
10:41:33 please stand to be sworn.
10:41:34 (Oath administered by Clerk)
10:41:38 Petitioner?
10:41:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: This is a review hearing of City Council.
10:41:49 It's a review of a decision of the Variance Review Board VRB
10:41:54 16-22 for property at 4730 north Habana Avenue.
10:41:58 To remind you that pursuant to the code, 27-61, in reviewing
10:42:04 a board decision City Council shall apply a de novo standard
10:42:07 of a review and shall not be limited to that review by that
10:42:12 testimony, documentation upon which the board based its
10:42:16 determination, City Council may receive new evidence.
10:42:21 City Council after reviewing the decision of the board and
10:42:24 after hearing evidence and testimony may either affirm the
10:42:27 board's decision, may remand the matter back to the board
10:42:31 for further proceedings with direction on how the board
10:42:33 failed to comply with the standard of the code, or may
10:42:35 overturn the decision of the board.
10:42:37 If a petition is remanded back to the board then the board
10:42:42 should only take action based upon a direction from the City
10:42:44 Council indicating how the board failed to comply with the
10:42:47 applicable standards of the code.
10:42:48 >> City attorney's office.
10:42:59 I am going to hand you section 27-80 City of Tampa code
10:43:04 application to variance power the hardship and practical
10:43:07 difficulty section.
10:43:08 >> Eric Cotton, Land Development Coordination.
10:43:22 I have been sworn.
10:43:23 This is a petition for review, represented by Todd Pressman.
10:43:33 The VRB presentation on February 9th, 2016, and at that
10:43:39 hearing the board unanimously denied the request.
10:43:42 At the time the applicant, the height of the sign to 34
10:43:51 feet, to reduce the setbacks from 15 feet to 1 foot,
10:43:55 increase square footage from 50 square feet to 257.3 square
10:43:59 feet.
10:44:00 Section 27-289.6 which was to increase the square footage of
10:44:05 electronic messaging center from 50 square feet to 128.7
10:44:11 square feet.
10:44:12 This is on Habana Avenue, a medical facility.
10:44:21 In red is the sign at that location. This was provided by
10:44:23 the applicant.
10:44:24 This is the sign as it currently stands.
10:44:27 At the time of the VRB case was requesting to replace this
10:44:30 portion with an electronic messaging sign.
10:44:33 And this is an aerial again whereof the sign is being
10:44:40 proposed.
10:44:41 An existing sign.
10:44:42 The applicant as part of the requirement of chapter 27, when
10:44:47 you have a nonconforming sign and you want to place an
10:44:50 electronic messaging center, you are required to bring it
10:44:54 into conformance meaning the applicant had to comb before
10:44:57 the Variance Review Board, ask for variances to the height,
10:45:01 the square footage, and the setbacks, and asking for a
10:45:06 variance to increase the square footage of the electronic
10:45:11 messaging center from 50 square feet to the 128.7 square
10:45:16 feet.
10:45:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize, Mr. Cotton.
10:45:21 That was the original request in the VRB?
10:45:26 >>ERIC COTTON: Correct.
10:45:27 >> From 50 to 128 square foot for the electronic sign.
10:45:32 Thank you.
10:45:38 Any questions by council?
10:45:41 Petitioner?
10:45:47 >> Todd Pressman, East Lake Road, Palm Harbor, Florida.
10:45:52 I do have a Power Point if we could pull that up, please.
10:45:56 There it is.
10:45:58 The staff did a good job of presenting this to you.
10:46:03 To orient you to the site, we are located on Habana Avenue.
10:46:08 And this is an existing site and existing sign.
10:46:13 This is how the property appraiser has the entire property.
10:46:17 This is a very large three-building complex for medical
10:46:24 doctors.
10:46:26 It's being taken over by Dr. Gary who will maintain it for
10:46:30 individual doctors but also bring doctors to a major medical
10:46:34 use. This is really a small medical campus on this
10:46:37 particular site.
10:46:40 It's extremely well maintained as you can see.
10:46:46 I am going to make you aware council members we are making
10:46:49 changes and won't be heard from the VRB board.
10:46:54 We are seeking reduction of what was proposed.
10:46:56 But this is the existing sign.
10:46:58 Quite frankly it's a monster, 257 square feet.
10:47:01 It is by far the largest, the biggest thing in the vicinity.
10:47:05 You can see a car down below as a reference.
10:47:09 Again, this sign is a monster.
10:47:13 What we did with the VRB, not a single change of the height
10:47:17 or the setback or the square footage.
10:47:19 What was presented to VRB was to change one section out, the
10:47:23 message center.
10:47:26 And it would look as shown on the screen.
10:47:33 What we are proposing today is a major reduction. We did
10:47:35 listen to the VRB.
10:47:37 I got a couple calls from some neighbors, talked to a couple
10:47:40 of neighbors, and what we are seeking to do -- and I am
10:47:42 going to pass this out if I may.
10:47:52 This is a comparison that I just handed out to you.
10:48:02 257 square feet.
10:48:03 We are seeking to reduce it pretty much in half to 125
10:48:07 square feet.
10:48:08 We are still taking an electronic message.
10:48:12 According to city standards, of course.
10:48:13 But we are proposing to cult down in half what we had
10:48:16 before. We recognize that we had a very large sign that had
10:48:19 a lot of square footage, had a lot of impact. This is going
10:48:22 to reduce the impact, bring it more in line.
10:48:24 The existing sign can stay until repairs and maintenance are
10:48:30 of course permissible.
10:48:31 I think this is nonconforming but we found this was a more
10:48:35 balanced approach for the request, and in regard to
10:48:39 particularly --
10:48:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Pressman, hang on.
10:48:45 >>HARRY COHEN: Are you saying you are going to tear down
10:48:48 the original sign and replace it with this?
10:48:51 >> No, we would in effect cut in the half.
10:48:56 >>HARRY COHEN: You are not proposing keeping the big one
10:48:58 until it comes down on its own at some point and then
10:49:01 replacing it with that.
10:49:02 You are actually planning on doing this now.
10:49:04 >> That's correct.
10:49:05 And we have support from council.
10:49:09 That is exactly what we are planning.
10:49:11 I will make you aware in terms of electronic message the
10:49:14 area is very big on health messaging.
10:49:16 These sore of the topics we would want to add along with
10:49:20 other messaging.
10:49:22 In terms of the hardship criteria, the site is very long and
10:49:26 very deep.
10:49:27 The buildings are buried back there that had tremendous
10:49:31 difficulty.
10:49:33 Many people are coming to see them.
10:49:35 Finding it and being able to negotiate into the site.
10:49:38 It's 641 feet more or less by Google deep into the area so
10:49:46 signage is critical particularly in terms of some of the
10:49:48 different outlets.
10:49:51 It's a very large number, very high density of medical
10:49:53 specialty.
10:49:55 Also the property versus a single or few Docs.
10:50:00 And while the Tampa code is good, it has difficulty
10:50:04 recognizing a configuration, depth on a particular roadway
10:50:12 N.summary, and indicated the signs, we are looking at a 50%
10:50:16 decrease.
10:50:17 It's a very high dense property.
10:50:19 The footprint is very deep, very narrow.
10:50:24 It would allow public health messaging and per the city
10:50:28 standards, no animation or scrolling permitted. It's
10:50:31 required to be five minutes per message.
10:50:32 So we appreciate your consideration and thank you for your
10:50:35 time today.
10:50:35 >>HARRY COHEN: Question of staff.
10:50:39 What would they be allowed as of right if they just -- if
10:50:43 they were taking down the existing sign?
10:50:45 What would they be allowed as of right?
10:50:49 >>ERIC COTTON: They are allowed a 50-foot square sign, 10
10:50:51 feet tall, 5 feet from the property line.
10:50:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Trying to compare what they would be allowed
10:51:00 to what the new proposal is.
10:51:02 So --
10:51:03 >>ERIC COTTON: About two and a half times the size of what
10:51:05 would be allowed by code.
10:51:06 >>HARRY COHEN: Still a substantial variance.
10:51:12 >>ERIC COTTON: Yes, sir.
10:51:12 I am not sure how tall is the T sign is going to be.
10:51:17 Perhaps you can clarify it.
10:51:20 Thank you.
10:51:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions?
10:51:24 Okay.
10:51:25 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
10:51:28 item number 59, 59?
10:51:31 Come forward, please.
10:51:32 Please state your name for the record.
10:51:34 >> I'm at 2918 west -- and I propose -- I oppose having this
10:51:44 sign be any larger.
10:51:49 I oppose the electronic part of it being any larger than
10:51:53 what's currently allowed.
10:51:55 And I have a couple of reasons for that.
10:51:59 A big concern of mine is access.
10:52:06 I see there are some studies that are done that say, well,
10:52:09 it's not unsafe, but anyone seeing these signs with the
10:52:16 animation is going to think, well, this is a distraction.
10:52:20 And if any of you have ever gone down Habana, this is a
10:52:25 doctor's office, now how hectic the traffic already is.
10:52:28 And I think rather than provide information about whatever
10:52:34 doctor is in the facility I think it's more a distraction
10:52:38 and an accident happening.
10:52:40 And the other thing about it is that they are unattractive.
10:52:45 Any of these signs, none of them look good.
10:52:50 And as far as an example goes, we have another one that's
10:52:55 4600 block of Habana just a couple blocks down, and
10:52:59 apparently the rule is, the animation is not supposed to
10:53:02 change but every five minutes, and every few seconds.
10:53:07 And even the one at St. Joseph's hospital changes more
10:53:10 frequently than.
10:53:11 That so it looks to me like the rule is not that strict, or
10:53:15 it's not enforced.
10:53:17 In fact there was a Tribune article that stated that.
10:53:21 Anyway, those are my basic concerns, is the safety, the
10:53:28 look.
10:53:30 And that's it.
10:53:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, ma'am.
10:53:33 Anyone else in the public that would like to speak on this
10:53:35 item number 59, if you could come forward.
10:53:40 Yes, sir.
10:53:40 >> Good morning.
10:53:42 My name is Frank Messina,.
10:53:49 Just a couple hundred feet from the corner.
10:53:54 I understand the gentleman said -- the original sign, has
10:54:03 been there for 25 years when the building was built.
10:54:07 And I go to the same doctor for many years.
10:54:12 But the illuminated sign, I don't know if it's going to
10:54:16 cause more problems.
10:54:24 And put a sign.
10:54:29 And
10:54:41 We don't want -- this is a residential.
10:54:50 The traffic is bad.
10:54:54 It's Habana.
10:54:56 And
10:55:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Can we have a copy of that, sir?
10:55:17 Is that our copy?
10:55:19 >> Sure.
10:55:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:55:20 We appreciate it.
10:55:20 >> [Off microphone.]
10:55:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Go to the microphone if you want to speak.
10:55:28 You were speaking when you were away from the microphone.
10:55:31 I'm sorry.
10:55:31 >> Okay.
10:55:33 So now just a sign, I think in the future going to look for
10:55:42 something different which I don't know what it is, but I
10:55:45 think it's, you know, like I said, so good luck to you.
10:55:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Would anyone else in the public like to
10:56:00 speak on this item?
10:56:01 Yes, ma'am?
10:56:03 My name is Gloria Diaz. I live at 2912 west Audubon, 33614.
10:56:14 My husband and I have lived here for over 50 years and
10:56:21 raised our children here and it's our home.
10:56:23 And during that time, of course, this area has grown.
10:56:29 Now, the main problem I find is the traffic.
10:56:31 And it goes fast and furious on Habana.
10:56:36 And you try to get out of our side streets with the cars
10:56:38 going by.
10:56:39 And if they are distracted by assign in addition to the
10:56:44 speed, I'm afraid we are going to have more accidents.
10:56:46 I think it's going to be a problem.
10:56:47 It's hard enough to get out of the side streets now.
10:56:59 And they are supposed to change once every five minutes but
10:57:02 that seems to be unlikely according to this article.
10:57:07 So I object to the electronic sign.
10:57:12 Thank you very much.
10:57:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
10:57:13 Anyone else in the public like to speak on item 59, 59?
10:57:21 I am going to let the petitioner come back for any rebuttal.
10:57:35 Can you show the document to the petitioner?
10:57:54 >> Mr. Chairman and council members, the comments -- I have
10:57:58 great respect for the residents who come down.
10:58:00 I always do.
10:58:01 And great concern about their concern.
10:58:03 But I would suggest to you the concern that they have are
10:58:07 actually better than what's proposed.
10:58:11 The petitioner tells you it's going to contribute to major
10:58:14 vehicle distractions.
10:58:15 But every federal study and state study and local study of
10:58:19 these types of signs was a lot less than messaging.
10:58:25 For example, the electronic build boards are either a minute
10:58:29 or just a few second, have never proven or shown any kind of
10:58:33 distraction or any kind of motor vehicle difficulty.
10:58:37 Some of the comments that the neighbors talked about, like
10:58:40 pollution, well, if they are concerned about light
10:58:43 pollution, this is going to reduce the light pollution next
10:58:46 door significantly.
10:58:48 So looking at an aerial, the sign, this sign is located
10:58:56 here.
10:58:59 You can see there's significant, tremendous -- along that
10:59:04 sign.
10:59:05 Right now you have a sign that is some 20 or 30 higher light
10:59:11 pollution occurring now.
10:59:12 We are going to reduce that in half.
10:59:14 The only visibility, the only visibility you have will be on
10:59:17 Habana.
10:59:18 So I would suggest to you and to the neighbors that this is
10:59:20 a much better option in terms of any kind of light plugs to
10:59:23 the neighborhood.
10:59:25 They also say commercialization of residential neighborhood
10:59:28 and possible health risk.
10:59:29 Well, the health risk I won't respond to. But again if it's
10:59:32 concern about commercialization into a neighborhood, there
10:59:34 is no act sews point whatsoever.
10:59:38 The only access is on Habana.
10:59:41 Again with the reduction of 50% of the height in the
10:59:46 illumination and square footage, it becomes less of a
10:59:50 commercialization on Osborne.
10:59:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen.
11:00:00 >>HARRY COHEN: Mr. Pressman, what is the hardship here?
11:00:05 >> Well, the hardship as we see it we have a site really
11:00:09 compared to just about everyone on this roadway, and it's a
11:00:13 very deep lot.
11:00:14 600 feet.
11:00:15 Very thin lot.
11:00:16 Very, very thin.
11:00:17 So there is no visibility to any of the users to the rear,
11:00:22 which is not typical.
11:00:24 Typically when you have users, they are located up on the
11:00:27 roadway and they have visibility by the building.
11:00:31 That's not the case here. This is a very high-dense
11:00:35 property with a lot of medical uses, that again are located
11:00:39 very far from the road on a very unique lot in regard to
11:00:43 this particular area.
11:00:44 >>HARRY COHEN: But you have this great big sign there now.
11:00:49 >> And I think it's part of the criteria as well is we are
11:00:52 not talking about putting up a new sign.
11:00:54 We are talking about a monster existing sign and a way to
11:00:58 reduce that the has a lot less impact to the immediate
11:01:01 community and to the community in general.
11:01:05 This is the business chance to reduce about 100 -- I'm going
11:01:10 just by the math in my head -- 125 square feet of signage
11:01:14 that can stay there and is permissible to stay there.
11:01:16 And we are working towards trying to go to a much smaller,
11:01:21 much lower.
11:01:22 And that's an opportunity we think for the neighbors and for
11:01:25 the council, to the city.
11:01:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione.
11:01:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:01:31 And this is for staff, actually, sir.
11:01:35 The current sign, as Mr. Pressman referred to it, is the
11:01:39 monster of a sign, is quite large.
11:01:41 So something like that co-never be built brand new in
11:01:47 accordance with our sign code.
11:01:50 >>ERIC COTTON: Correct.
11:01:51 The legal variance --
11:01:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And the new proposal, I'm not sure if
11:01:56 you had a chance to be see it before.
11:01:58 So this might put you on the spot a little bit.
11:02:00 So the new proposal with the size of the sign, how does that
11:02:03 fit into our current city sign code?
11:02:06 Co-that be built for -- because I know the supports are the
11:02:13 same as the other one -- but how does that fit into our
11:02:18 current city sign code?
11:02:20 Is it in accordance with it?
11:02:22 >>ERIC COTTON: Land Development Coordination.
11:02:24 The proposed sign that Mr. Pressman showed would still
11:02:26 require a variance.
11:02:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And what's the difference between what
11:02:30 would be allowed and what they are proposing today?
11:02:34 >>ERIC COTTON: The maximum square footage for free-standing
11:02:35 sign in the city is 50 square feet.
11:02:39 He's proposing 25.
11:02:40 Maximum height without getting a variance is 10 feet.
11:02:44 57-foot setback.
11:02:46 I believe the sign is going to be 22 feet at a one foot
11:02:54 setback.
11:02:54 The variance would still be required for a setback.
11:02:57 You go up in height be -- when you are at ten feet, as you
11:03:02 go up in height, increase it -- a 20-foot tall sign would
11:03:07 have a 15-foot setback.
11:03:08 Anything above that would require a variance to the height.
11:03:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
11:03:13 So, Mr. Pressman, what you are asking is so different than
11:03:23 what to the Variance Review Board.
11:03:27 I'm guessing that it's less expensive to just, you know, saw
11:03:32 off the top part of the sign than rebuild it?
11:03:36 Because it seems like that thing is made of iron.
11:03:42 >> Well, I don't build the thing so I was just trying to
11:03:46 grasp, to simply explain what would be proposed there.
11:03:51 I don't really know if it would be a brand new sign or if
11:03:54 they would in a sense chop it off.
11:03:56 I assume, as you are saying, it would be a lot less
11:04:00 expensive just to cut off the top half.
11:04:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Because what you are asking for now is,
11:04:06 although it's still more than what our current sign code
11:04:09 allows, it's a lot closer to it than what is there
11:04:13 currently.
11:04:14 >> It's 60% closer, yes.
11:04:17 And obviously we are presenting that because we are trying
11:04:19 to work with an existing sign, and trying to work with a
11:04:23 balance of what rights the property has at the moment.
11:04:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think what we are lacking is the
11:04:31 opinion of the Variance Review Board on the new proposal
11:04:35 because the new F the new proposal was before the Variance
11:04:40 Review Board they may have approved it.
11:04:42 They may have denied it but they may have approved it but
11:04:46 it's so different from what they heard in the first place.
11:04:50 >> Of course I am always happy to work with council any
11:04:53 direction they want to go.
11:04:54 I did receive a couple of calls from neighbors, and have an
11:04:57 opportunity to touch base with folks who signed the
11:05:01 petition.
11:05:01 I'm happy to work in any direction the council wants to go.
11:05:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda.
11:05:09 Hillsborough.
11:05:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Had I think your mannerism like always,
11:05:15 you do something very respectfully and you know how to
11:05:19 handle it, you know your business very well.
11:05:23 There is few that I say that to, and you fall into that
11:05:27 category of being quite forward and right to the point.
11:05:30 >> Thank you, sir.
11:05:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: However --
11:05:32 >> I hear a "but."
11:05:35 (Laughter).
11:05:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I used however.
11:05:41 You said "but."
11:05:42 So there's a problem, but that's all right.
11:05:45 You know, about 15, 16 days ago, I started doing an
11:05:49 analytical study of my own on signs.
11:05:52 >> Here it comes.
11:05:54 (Laughter).
11:05:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I got tapes of it.
11:05:58 Not tapes, individual shots.
11:06:00 In fact, I remembered 4620 north Habana.
11:06:03 There's a sign that changes every, I don't know, 10, 15
11:06:08 second.
11:06:10 A dentist's office.
11:06:12 Not only do they have the gall to change that the often.
11:06:14 They advertise that they will advertise for you on their
11:06:18 sign.
11:06:20 And there's about ten advertisements on that sign now.
11:06:24 Just like a continuous script.
11:06:26 Like one of the individuals in the neighborhood said, one of
11:06:29 the large hospitals there on MLK and Habana about a month
11:06:34 ago, or so, also put in an electrical sign.
11:06:39 Just between your petition sign that you are asking for, for
11:06:43 us to review at 4730, and 4620, there's another electrical
11:06:49 sign but it's not on the road, it's up on the building high
11:06:52 up in that area on the same street.
11:06:55 That's all on the west side, by the way.
11:07:02 You were instrumental in making great strides in signage
11:07:06 years back on the highway, and I want to commend you for it
11:07:08 and the people you represented.
11:07:10 You did it with honor with, grace and with dignity.
11:07:14 But what I see now is a proliferation -- maybe I'm stuck on
11:07:21 the words "but" and "however" but a greater amount of signs
11:07:28 on the roadways in the creating a mini Vegas outlook into
11:07:33 neighborhoods.
11:07:34 Although your sign may be what you need, there's other
11:07:38 additional signs, on Lake and Armenia just south of MLK,
11:07:44 there are signs just like that, north of MLK, Armenia, signs
11:07:49 like that on Howard, just north of Columbus Drive.
11:07:54 There are signs between Armenia, proliferated with many
11:07:58 signs like this, which is not yours.
11:08:03 For us to continue to doing this without doing some
11:08:05 further -- and the ordinance is clear that the difficulty,
11:08:10 the practical variance being created by a hardship that you
11:08:17 didn't create yourself.
11:08:18 That's what it sort of says.
11:08:19 And I just find it difficulty to put more and more signs.
11:08:29 If there were none this wouldn't happen but the city decides
11:08:33 to let them go and not enforce them because your sign may be
11:08:36 in the enforceable amount of one every five minutes.
11:08:39 Every one that I witness changes every 15 to 20 seconds.
11:08:43 Maybe I see something that haven't but I haven't witnessed
11:08:45 it.
11:08:46 So we created some here.
11:08:47 I don't have an answer how to stop it because we don't
11:08:50 enforce it.
11:08:51 I will be very sincere with you.
11:08:52 I don't believe we do anyway.
11:08:54 Maybe there's an enforcement that I don't know about.
11:08:57 And it just has to have an ending.
11:09:03 Neighborhoods should be left and signs should be put up for
11:09:06 masses to see.
11:09:07 The people should have the right to -- your argument has a
11:09:12 lot of validity to it, that the sign may show the direction.
11:09:17 But so many of them in one area, once you have one, two or
11:09:21 three, you will have 5, 10, 15, and that whole area from
11:09:27 really Tampa Bay Boulevard to Hillsborough Avenue has an
11:09:39 enormous amount of medical practices as they should have,
11:09:42 fanned they all had a sign, what we would have there is
11:09:45 chaos, because everybody -- it's a distraction, health,
11:09:50 safety and welfare, in my opinion -- only my opinion -- to
11:09:53 things that are happening not only in this city but in
11:09:57 cities throughout this great United States that causes more
11:10:03 injuries and bodily harm.
11:10:05 That's just my opinion, sir.
11:10:06 And like I said earlier, I think you are one of the better
11:10:10 present errors, you do it with dignity and with respect to
11:10:13 everyone.
11:10:14 And therefore I have great doubt in voting in favor of this.
11:10:17 Thank you, chairman.
11:10:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions from council before we
11:10:20 go forward?
11:10:21 I didn't go to you, Mr. Pressman, because I figured there
11:10:23 was really no rebuttal for that other than what was already
11:10:27 presented.
11:10:28 Before I ask my question, I'll ask you, is there any
11:10:31 additional rebuttal that you have?
11:10:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt, I
11:10:35 would ask that council ask questions and give Mr. Pressman
11:10:38 the opportunity to give his closing statements.
11:10:41 If you ask your questions first.
11:10:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: This was already part of rebuttal but that's
11:10:46 okay.
11:10:46 We'll follow your guideline for now.
11:10:48 But he was already part of his rebuttal.
11:10:51 We have been asking questions during his rebuttal time.
11:10:54 Did we take up any of your rebuttal time?
11:10:57 I want to make sure we did not.
11:11:01 I'm asking you to interment your own rebuttal time to make
11:11:04 sure that we are following our own rules.
11:11:05 >> Well, I am asked questions that I might have to rebut
11:11:11 from that.
11:11:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I was just saying I didn't know if we
11:11:14 started on rebuttal first or is this is now your rebuttal?
11:11:19 >> I would -- I think there was opportunity to touch base
11:11:23 with the neighborhood, and Councilwoman has said go back to
11:11:26 VRB.
11:11:27 I think that would could potentially be a very positive way
11:11:31 to go.
11:11:31 I think responding to residents is always important, and I
11:11:35 would indicate as you know that's an option that you have,
11:11:37 and again happy to work with council in any direction.
11:11:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are you requesting that we give you that
11:11:44 opportunity to go back to the VRB?
11:11:46 >> I'm not trying to wordsmith with you.
11:11:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, no, I want to make sure I am on legal
11:11:52 ground to interpret what you are asking.
11:11:54 My guess is that that would probably be our role in order to
11:11:57 remand it, if that's the pleasure of council.
11:12:00 >> Yes, if that's the pleasure of council we would be happy
11:12:03 to do it.
11:12:04 >> I think we are on the same page.
11:12:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just as long as we are on the same page
11:12:09 here.
11:12:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I understand what is being said.
11:12:12 I don't think you can take two bites of an apple at the same
11:12:15 time.
11:12:16 If you only got one mouth.
11:12:19 And if the decision was made to come before us on
11:12:24 specifically what the item was, in here yes or nay and be
11:12:31 done with it, either Lee verse the VRB, or retain the VRB's
11:12:38 decision.
11:12:38 To continue to send things to the VRB -- and this has
11:12:42 happened before, not you, it just prolongs the agony not
11:12:46 only for the petitioner but for the neighborhood.
11:12:49 And I don't think that what was said that was brought into
11:12:58 that case earlier when the statements with respect made
11:13:00 which made your presentation to the VRB on the difference of
11:13:04 size.
11:13:04 You want to reduce it by half and that's what the
11:13:06 presentation was on.
11:13:07 That's what this is about.
11:13:09 So I just have a disagreements with continuing to send back
11:13:11 things to the VRB.
11:13:13 These all, Mr. Chairman.
11:13:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's a point well taken.
11:13:16 I'm not sure legally what that process is.
11:13:19 If I could get the legal department to properly answer that
11:13:21 question concerning that.
11:13:22 And the question is whether or not we can either remand on
11:13:27 this de novo hearing, or have to go forward and make a
11:13:30 decision now concerning this hearing.
11:13:33 >> Todd Pressman: Just a clarification, Councilman, the 6%
11:13:38 reduction by the VRB --
11:13:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And that's part of my question.
11:13:43 >> This is a much smaller apple.
11:13:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:13:49 I don't think I have a right as an elected official to tell
11:13:52 you and your client what you should have done or had not
11:13:56 done when you made your presentation.
11:13:59 That was a decision that was made between yourselves and
11:14:01 your client.
11:14:02 I don't think I have the right to hear my case sending it
11:14:05 back when I gave you the direction of which way to go.
11:14:08 That's just me.
11:14:09 I'm not a judge and I'm not a lawyer.
11:14:11 Thank you very much, sir.
11:14:12 >> Paul: I believe in answering your question, I will read
11:14:18 the relevant portion of the code.
11:14:20 It might not help.
11:14:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That might not help us.
11:14:23 >> Paul: All right.
11:14:26 Just to start things off.
11:14:33 If you have a board decision, and cutting down a little bit,
11:14:36 this is hearing before City Council, going halfway down,
11:14:50 after reviewing the board decision of the board and hearing
11:14:52 evidence and testimony can either affirm the board's
11:14:55 decision, may remand the matter back to the board for
11:14:58 further proceedings with direction how the board failed to
11:15:00 comply, with the standard of the code, or may overturn the
11:15:04 decision of the board.
11:15:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So the only three choices are remand,
11:15:09 approve, or --
11:15:14 >> Approve, overturn.
11:15:16 Remand with direction how the board failed --
11:15:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And because this is a de novo hearing, we
11:15:22 are hearing evidence that's different than what was in front
11:15:25 of the VRB.
11:15:28 By what petitioner said, I believe what staff heard
11:15:31 previously.
11:15:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Let me just say you can undertake new
11:15:39 evidence.
11:15:39 I think it would be helpful to hear from Mr. Cotton with
11:15:42 regard to in effect, council, what you have heard -- and I
11:15:46 don't want to characterize this, it's just for the sake of
11:15:51 argument, a substantial change of what was heard before the
11:15:54 VRB.
11:15:55 That being the case, Mr. Cotton, if you could just inform
11:15:57 what would happen if there is a substantial change for a
11:16:00 petitioner who wants to bring something back to the VRB.
11:16:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before you go, Mr. Cotton, I think we
11:16:08 understand what the process is in terms of what's next.
11:16:10 We have three choices.
11:16:13 It's the pleasure of council as to what those choices are.
11:16:16 Before we begin that, though, I want to make sure that Mr.
11:16:18 Pressman has every right to finish his rebuttal concerning
11:16:22 this.
11:16:23 So if I could.
11:16:24 >> Todd Pressman: I believe I have said everything and I
11:16:31 would like the request to allow the VRB to reach out and try
11:16:38 to work with them.
11:16:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think we have everything concerning what
11:16:40 the petitioner has in terms of his rebuttal and his
11:16:45 presentation.
11:16:45 What is the pleasure of council?
11:16:49 Let's go ahead and close the public hearing which would be
11:16:51 at the pleasure of council.
11:16:52 >> I Move to close.
11:16:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, second
11:16:57 from Mr. Maniscalco.
11:16:59 All in favor of that motion?
11:17:01 Any opposed?
11:17:02 Thank you.
11:17:03 Mrs. Montelione.
11:17:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:17:05 I will move to have been remand this case back to the
11:17:08 Variance Review Board on the basis that the proposal that
11:17:13 was presented today is quite different than the original
11:17:18 application heard by the variance review board, and I think
11:17:21 it's the Variance Review Board needs to review what is
11:17:25 currently being requested by the applicant in a Variance
11:17:30 Review Board setting.
11:17:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
11:17:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would have to disagree with honor
11:17:39 council member on the basis that it is their presentation,
11:17:44 it is their, not mine, not city's, but their presentation,
11:17:49 and we can't hear anything that was not presented in the
11:17:52 Variance Review Board. So this is different.
11:17:56 It can't be different because we can only hear what was
11:17:59 presented in the Variance Review Board can either uphold or
11:18:03 reject.
11:18:04 And if it was to send back, it would be sent back, but way
11:18:08 hear -- maybe I heard wrong -- what was presented to the
11:18:12 Variance Review Board and what was presented to us is
11:18:15 totally different.
11:18:17 I can't understand that.
11:18:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
11:18:20 Do we have a second on that motion?
11:18:25 No second to that motion?
11:18:26 Okay.
11:18:27 The motion dies as a result of no second.
11:18:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I move oar make a motion that we uphold
11:18:37 the decision of the VRB 16-22 made by the Variance Review
11:18:40 Board.
11:18:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.
11:18:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: You have to say reasons, Mr. Maniscalco.
11:18:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I would direct your attention to section
11:18:55 27-80, the application of a variance power.
11:18:57 Would you please make a finding as to whether the applicant
11:19:01 demonstrated practical difficulties or unnecessary hardship,
11:19:05 and that the request ensures the public safety, health,
11:19:08 safety and welfare, that they are protected?
11:19:11 Can you make a finding as to whether those criteria were
11:19:14 met?
11:19:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I see that the alleged hardship
11:19:19 criteria was not met, therefore the denial.
11:19:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.
11:19:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.
11:19:28 Second by Mr. Miranda.
11:19:29 All in favor?
11:19:29 Any opposed?
11:19:30 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with.
11:19:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Loan voting no and Reddick and Capin
11:19:36 being absent.
11:19:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
11:19:41 I think that we have some items that need to be removed from
11:19:44 the consent agenda, if any.
11:19:47 If I could get a motion.
11:19:49 I have a memo that was received from Mr. Reddick.
11:19:51 >>HARRY COHEN: I move to continue number 70 to July 14,
11:19:57 2016 under staff reports, and for everyone, that's the
11:20:00 34th street safety improvement.
11:20:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.
11:20:04 A second from Mrs. Montelione.
11:20:05 All in favor of that motion?
11:20:08 Okay.
11:20:09 Onto number 60.
11:20:10 Staff.
11:20:11 Item number 60.
11:20:12 >>BRAD BAIRD: Public works utility services administrator.
11:20:23 I'm here on item 60, 61 and 262.
11:20:27 Regarding the Tampa augmentation project.
11:20:31 I want to first point out this is not the original project
11:20:34 that we put forth over a year ago.
11:20:37 This is a feasibility phase of a potable reuse project to
11:20:43 transmit reclaimed water from the advanced wastewater
11:20:47 treatment plant up to the water treatment facility along the
11:20:53 Hillsborough River.
11:20:54 It is a game changer that can resolve drinking wallet supply
11:21:02 problems for Tampa, and the region for many decades to come.
11:21:07 It will allow Tampa to control its own destiny, and finally
11:21:12 realize our original goal to use this water for a higher
11:21:16 purpose.
11:21:18 And with that, without going into details, on the project, I
11:21:22 will be happy to answer questions.
11:21:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda.
11:21:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Sounds like a new movie you just made up
11:21:31 that everything is honky-dory and at the end everybody
11:21:35 drinks water.
11:21:36 That's a wonderful thing.
11:21:37 Glad to hear it.
11:21:37 I don't want to go through a lot of specifics, Mr. Baird,
11:21:40 but if you please, can you tell the general public that we
11:21:44 furnish water for about 600,000 people, what this will do
11:21:48 for the future use of water for the next 50 years, how much
11:21:50 water will be left for the City of Tampa to do it and other
11:21:53 areas that maybe selling some of that reclaimed water out of
11:21:58 the Howard Curren?
11:22:00 >> The first phase of this feasibility study would look at
11:22:05 20 MGDs, and then further look at 35 MGD and all the way
11:22:11 up to 70 million gallons a day.
11:22:15 So because we are looking at other projects as well, as you
11:22:19 are aware, region-wide, and Tampa Bay water is looking at
11:22:23 oats projects as well.
11:22:28 So this again will solve water supply problems for a long
11:22:34 time to come.
11:22:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I hope you and I are around to see that but
11:22:39 we are not going to be 150 years old.
11:22:42 But it's a great thing.
11:22:43 And the way you broke it down, if I may, 20, 35, 70, what
11:22:48 you are telling me then, or telling us, is that although you
11:22:51 have ample supply to sell in the future, if necessary, to
11:22:55 create revenue, and maybe create a department fifth
11:23:01 department and those four departments under the special act
11:23:04 that creates their own revenues and you can therefore use
11:23:07 that money for improvements in roadways and water, both
11:23:11 sanitary and drinking water, pipe replacement and so forth,
11:23:15 and have this city into the number one position maybe in
11:23:19 America.
11:23:19 >>BRAD BAIRD: That is correct.
11:23:24 Places us in an enviable position.
11:23:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione.
11:23:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:23:30 So Mr. Miranda referenced a special act.
11:23:38 So this project and the template for doing this was
11:23:47 something that came out of Florida statutes that was
11:23:51 approved, not this one but I think last session?
11:23:56 >>BRAD BAIRD: It came from that as well as where the whole
11:24:00 water industry is going, the whole water industry is moving
11:24:03 towards potable reuse across the country.
11:24:07 California, Texas, North Carolina and Florida.
11:24:12 Florida is a leader in reusing the water.
11:24:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So doing this would less ten strain on
11:24:17 the water that we take from the Hillsborough River, correct?
11:24:23 >>BRAD BAIRD: Correct.
11:24:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And two of the projects we approved this
11:24:26 year and one we approved last year for pumping the blue sink
11:24:32 and the Morris bridge thing were done or planned because we
11:24:36 have to meet minimum flows, and part of meeting minimum
11:24:40 floss, if we are taking water out of the river in different
11:24:45 locations, we might not meet the minimum flows.
11:24:49 So the sink projects were approved for the Hillsborough
11:24:55 River if with we should ever need.
11:24:59 That and from what I understand from the implementation of
11:25:01 this project, hopefully we will never have to pump any water
11:25:05 out of either of those sinks because this is going to lessen
11:25:10 our need for taking water from the river, correct?
11:25:14 >>BRAD BAIRD: That could the long-term result.
11:25:16 That is absolutely correct.
11:25:18 >>CHAIRMAN: I wish we would have done this before the other
11:25:20 projects.
11:25:20 We would have saved a whole lot of money and a whole lot of
11:25:23 stress.
11:25:24 >>BRAD BAIRD: Yes, this effort is a little bigger than
11:25:26 that. And I'm glad you brought that up.
11:25:29 Moving to a recharge recovery project is not only much more
11:25:35 economical, but it puts us in a position to help with
11:25:40 minimum flows much, much better than other projects would.
11:25:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So looking at the map that was provided
11:25:50 in part of one of the items, it outlines that area 1
11:25:56 wetlands location, and that is part of district 7.
11:26:06 So you can thank district 7 for giving you water -- and then
11:26:15 we have city park, Rogers Park, golf course, and Rowlett
11:26:18 park.
11:26:18 There's one thing that comes to mind, if we are using the
11:26:25 park and the golf course as a recharge, as an area of water
11:26:31 collection, rainfall and what have you, there is a lot of
11:26:36 fertilizer and a lot of chemicals that put on golf courses
11:26:40 that are somewhat in-depth knowledge of golf courses, and is
11:26:47 that going to put a strain on the treatment of that water?
11:26:53 >>BRAD BAIRD: The treatment of the water from Howard
11:26:55 Curren?
11:26:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If it's a recharge area, right?
11:27:02 So the rain falls on the golf course, the water from there
11:27:05 is at some point going to get to Howard Curren, right?
11:27:08 >>BRAD BAIRD: No, it goes the other way.
11:27:14 So actually it would be the reverse.
11:27:16 This project would help that.
11:27:19 Yeah.
11:27:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just saw the golf course on here, and
11:27:23 my mind was starting that way. So I'm happy to see this.
11:27:29 I'm happy that we will be lightening the load by the river,
11:27:35 and water supply is something across the country that is a
11:27:42 really in-depth concern.
11:27:44 Water wars are in the future, I think going to be the water
11:27:54 wars now that we are experiencing.
11:27:56 Thank you for this.
11:27:57 I know it was a long time coming.
11:27:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda.
11:28:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I had this conversation, maybe 15 of
11:28:09 them, and you drove me to Clearwater many times, wanted to
11:28:14 drop me off on the bridge in Clearwater.
11:28:17 You and I had a lot of discussions on this.
11:28:20 And I understand what you are trying to do. The only
11:28:22 apprehension in my mind is once this water that you are
11:28:26 filtering down, what happens when it touches the bypass
11:28:29 canal, who is in charge of that water?
11:28:31 That's the only apprehension I have.
11:28:33 Because the way I read that law that water becomes water of
11:28:36 the state.
11:28:37 And if it's a by-product which we help change the law to
11:28:43 representative young, was very kind to do that for us, then
11:28:46 I become a little apprehensive, once that water touches the
11:28:51 bypass canal, is it water of the city or water of the state?
11:28:54 Do you have to have permission?
11:28:55 You know what I am saying.
11:28:56 >>Are Mr. Miranda, I knew would you ask that question.
11:29:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I thought you would.
11:29:05 And you have an answer for it.
11:29:07 >>BRAD BAIRD: Because you asked that question, many times,
11:29:13 we added to this contract -- and if you will allow me, I
11:29:17 would like to read the paragraph and put it on record.
11:29:20 The regulatory issues associated with receiving credit for
11:29:24 reclaimed water released into the environment is
11:29:28 subsequently recovered as well water supplies will be
11:29:31 considered, this consideration will specifically address the
11:29:34 question of whether or not tap water will be considered
11:29:37 waters of the state.
11:29:39 Once released into the environment.
11:29:41 This consideration will include potential strategies of
11:29:47 designation of Tampa, waters of the state, implications of
11:29:56 tap -- excuse me -- was becoming waters of the state prior
11:29:59 to reaching the raw water intake of one of the regional
11:30:02 water supply utilities.
11:30:06 I want to also point out that the county is a step ahead of
11:30:09 us.
11:30:10 And they have received a letter from SWFWMD where they get
11:30:17 credit for that water.
11:30:19 And for anybody to be able to pull it out they have to enter
11:30:21 into an agreement with Hillsborough County and be
11:30:25 paid ---and pay Hillsborough County for that water to get
11:30:29 the water use permit.
11:30:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Excuse me, chairman, that doesn't supersede
11:30:34 anything we are going to do, right?
11:30:36 >> That does not.
11:30:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And that means Tampa always pretty?
11:30:43 >>BRAD BAIRD: I think so but it also means Tampa
11:30:46 augmentation.
11:30:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions of Mr. Baird?
11:30:51 Okay.
11:30:51 Dough I get a motion to approve --
11:30:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move 60, 61 and 62 of the resolutions in
11:30:58 that order.
11:30:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Miranda.
11:31:01 Second by Mrs. Montelione.
11:31:02 All in favor?
11:31:05 Any opposed?
11:31:05 Thank you.
11:31:07 All right.
11:31:07 Item number 63, staff.
11:31:09 >>GREG BAYOR: Greg Bayor, director of parks and recreation,
11:31:20 asking for $1 million for Kennedy and Busch Boulevard.
11:31:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions by council on this item?
11:31:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Can you Dell me what the Busch Boulevard
11:31:32 part of this project is?
11:31:34 >> At this point nothing has really been designed, so no.
11:31:48 We have the spend moan first before -- the Busch Boulevard
11:31:55 and interchange?
11:31:56 >> Correct.
11:31:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Just one thing I would ask is that the
11:31:59 innovation alliance, which I am vice chair of the advisory
11:32:04 committee, and you know that we had undertaken the services
11:32:08 of a design team some look at the interchange,
11:32:11 beautification, gateway, if you will, of 275 and Busch and
11:32:17 257 and Fowler.
11:32:20 >>GREG BAYOR: Correct.
11:32:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So there are elements that may be out of
11:32:24 the scope and range.
11:32:27 It also -- FDOT had some reservations of hearing this
11:32:32 because of the TBX project, whether or not it goes forward
11:32:36 or not.
11:32:38 It may change the configuration of the highway.
11:32:42 So there are some considerations.
11:32:46 So I would just ask that you consult with the MPO and the
11:32:49 project that the MPO was overseeing.
11:32:51 >>GREG BAYOR: The plans would go forward with the comp
11:33:02 plan.
11:33:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much.
11:33:05 Move item 63.
11:33:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: In second by Mr. Cohen.
11:33:09 All in favor of that motion?
11:33:10 Any opposed?
11:33:11 Thank you, sir.
11:33:12 Before we go to item 64, I am going to skim over to item 66.
11:33:17 Mr. Cohen has a predesigned time to leave because he's
11:33:22 leaving on an airplane.
11:33:23 I think number 66, we will go forward.
11:33:26 Staff, if you are here.
11:33:28 >>REBECCA KERT: Assistant city attorney.
11:33:31 I am here on item 66.
11:33:33 As you will recall, item 66 revert back from City Council to
11:33:38 require a signage requirement to provide further notice of
11:33:41 an existing ordinance.
11:33:42 The existing ordinance prohibits towing from an
11:33:46 establishment that sells alcoholic beverages for off
11:33:50 premises consumption, till noon the following day unless
11:33:55 there's a particular order which in that case the car could
11:33:58 be towed.
11:33:59 I presented you a few weeks ago with a draft ordinance that
11:34:02 was an attempt to be responsive to City Council's request.
11:34:05 There are three main parts that City Council may want to
11:34:08 consider.
11:34:09 Number one is who is responsible for putting up the sign.
11:34:13 I have it as a property owner who has on its memorandums an
11:34:17 establishment that's licensed to sell alcoholic beverages
11:34:21 and has on-site parking because you have certain laws that
11:34:25 you have to deal with, and the person who has the licensed
11:34:29 establishment may not have control over the property.
11:34:31 So it's the property owner who has the establishment.
11:34:34 There's the language of the sign itself, which is contained
11:34:38 in the ordinance.
11:34:39 And then there is the placement of where the signs need to
11:34:42 be.
11:34:43 City Council, I believe, there was so concern that they
11:34:45 should be outside, have it placed outside.
11:34:49 I tracked somewhat the language whereof establishments, to
11:34:55 put their car can be towed notice.
11:34:58 It's not the exact same language because of details but it's
11:35:01 the same general placement.
11:35:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
11:35:04 Mr. Cohen.
11:35:04 >>HARRY COHEN: First of all, thank you very much for your
11:35:07 work on this item.
11:35:09 I think it's timely and will be very helpful to people as
11:35:13 they go about their evenings out.
11:35:17 When we met with B this in my office, you had talked about a
11:35:21 provision that would ask for signage to be placed every 25
11:35:26 feet on the perimeter of the property.
11:35:29 And I had mentioned I thought that was a little too onerous,
11:35:33 that perhaps as long as we were going to have signs at the
11:35:36 entrance and exits that that was sufficient.
11:35:39 And I didn't know what council's view might be on that.
11:35:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Does anyone have any questions concerning
11:35:49 this?
11:35:51 Mrs. Montelione.
11:35:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, one of the things that Mrs. Kert
11:35:55 and I talked about yesterday was some of the parcels that
11:36:02 contain multiple alcoholic beverage establishments also
11:36:07 contain a lot of businesses who don't sell alcoholic
11:36:09 beverage.
11:36:10 And some of the parking lots are very, very large, like
11:36:14 International Plaza.
11:36:15 Some of them are very small like some of the places on
11:36:19 Howard Avenue or in South Tampa.
11:36:21 So it's hard to make a "one size fits all" kind of
11:36:29 regulation.
11:36:30 One of the things that I said is we should make the
11:36:32 city-wide and on all parcels because it will be easier for
11:36:39 both the police department or the towing companies or the
11:36:42 business owners to know that there's one rule that covers
11:36:46 everything.
11:36:48 But after talking it out with Mrs. Kert would be extremely
11:36:52 challenging.
11:36:54 So then I went the opposite direction, and I asked her,
11:36:57 well, what if this applied only to businesses who sell
11:37:04 alcoholic beverages, whether it be a bar, a lounge or
11:37:07 restaurant, that is a single-use parcel?
11:37:11 So their parking lot is directly related to where that
11:37:16 person was drink, their inability to operate a motor vehicle
11:37:21 otherwise known as a DUI, is the direct result of their
11:37:27 patronizing that particular business, and it wouldn't be
11:37:30 onerous on other businesses who share the parking lot.
11:37:35 So if you have, say -- and I am going to make this up, I
11:37:39 don't know anywhere in the city that this happens -- if
11:37:44 there's a small strip center, and the only businesses in the
11:37:47 strip center is a large, you know, bar, a drycleaner, and,
11:37:53 you know, some other retail shop, a clothing store.
11:38:00 So the large bar may be putting a lot of strain on the very
11:38:05 limited parking, and then the dry cleaner and the retail
11:38:08 store have an issue in the morning because there's not
11:38:12 enough parking for their customers.
11:38:14 But we have limited it to a single use parcel, then that
11:38:19 wouldn't happen.
11:38:20 It's just an idea that I was passing around and thought it
11:38:24 might be a compromise that we could look at.
11:38:28 >>HARRY COHEN: I don't agree with you.
11:38:31 I'll tell you why.
11:38:34 I understand what you are saying.
11:38:35 But I think that there are times when it's appropriate to
11:38:41 underdo, and there are times when it's appropriate to go a
11:38:44 little further.
11:38:44 The reason I think important to go a little further is
11:38:48 because what we are really, in my view, trying to prevent
11:38:51 here is DUI.
11:38:53 And so there really isn't a difference between whoa someone
11:38:58 is going to drive under the influence based on whether they
11:39:00 are drinking at a place that's free standing or whether or
11:39:03 not they are drinking at a place that has a lot of other
11:39:07 uses as well.
11:39:08 I understand your point.
11:39:10 I think it's more appropriate to ERR in the other direction
11:39:14 in this type of a circumstance.
11:39:16 Where I might not agree -- where I might agree with you
11:39:20 under different circumstance.
11:39:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: It, no I agree as well.
11:39:25 I think you are right.
11:39:26 I was just throwing that out there as something to consider.
11:39:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other comments or questions?
11:39:31 Mr. Miranda?
11:39:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm sorry I had to do a couple of things
11:39:36 there when I left the dais here.
11:39:39 But are we talking about the alcohol that's secondary to
11:39:43 some other business?
11:39:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item 66, sir.
11:39:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 66.
11:39:51 And I understand what both my colleagues have said, from way
11:39:55 heard.
11:39:55 But, in fact, we liberalize these laws so liberal that the
11:40:02 other day my suit came out of the dry cleaner's drunk.
11:40:06 Because everything, you know, accessory use.
11:40:09 It's a disguise is what it is.
11:40:11 It really is.
11:40:12 When you look at it realistically, it's a disguise.
11:40:15 You want an cigar bar, you don't even have to drink the
11:40:20 drink.
11:40:21 You smoke it.
11:40:22 And you can put that -- less than 20 grams of something
11:40:25 else.
11:40:26 And could be high.
11:40:29 For $25 they give you a 6-pack to go home W.it's so liberal
11:40:34 it's ridiculous.
11:40:35 So you either have the laws or you don't have the laws.
11:40:38 You create a special use to one item.
11:40:40 And if that change things, then the city has to be
11:40:43 protected.
11:40:43 The people have to be protected.
11:40:45 Don't cover it up with excuses.
11:40:50 Fact is a fact.
11:40:51 That's just me.
11:40:52 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:40:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Capin?
11:40:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
11:40:55 And I believe that it was well taken what Mr. Cohen said,
11:41:00 that this is to help protect the public by keeping people
11:41:05 who overindulge on something that is a legal substance.
11:41:11 And finance we don't want, we can always go back to
11:41:14 prohibition, and we know how that worked. So people need to
11:41:17 take responsibility.
11:41:18 We try to do the best we can.
11:41:20 And I do believe this is a safety issue, a public safety
11:41:24 issue.
11:41:25 So that's my view on it.
11:41:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions or comments?
11:41:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Quickly, if we can present one --
11:41:35 prevent one death, one accident, then it's a win.
11:41:39 And that's the way I see it.
11:41:41 So it's a move in the right direction.
11:41:43 And I think it will be very beneficial.
11:41:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I have one comment before we go forward.
11:41:49 I take what Mrs. Montelione loan said to heart.
11:41:52 I think that's going to become a self-regulating type of
11:41:56 issue, especially with some landlords that have bars or
11:41:59 restaurants that are serving alcohol will essentially make
11:42:04 sure that those folks understand what the rule is and be
11:42:07 able to handle their own property as they see fit.
11:42:11 Because it's harder to kind of nuance this particular
11:42:15 ordinance, I think going forward with this one is probably
11:42:17 the best way that we can go at this time.
11:42:20 Okay?
11:42:22 Anyone with a second bite of the apple, if not, Mr. Cohen if
11:42:26 could you take the ordinance .
11:42:27 >>HARRY COHEN: I would like to move the ordinance.
11:42:29 And I will read it.
11:42:30 And then I was going to ask Mrs. Kert between first and
11:42:34 second reading if you could tweet that language regarding
11:42:37 the every 25 feet, maybe remove that.
11:42:41 So I would like to ask the ordinance being presented for
11:42:44 first reading consideration, an ordinance of the city of
11:42:46 Tampa, Florida making revisions to City of Tampa code of
11:42:48 ordinances chapter 14, offenses, amending section 14-48
11:42:53 wrecker regulation, repealing all ordinances or parts of
11:42:56 ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
11:42:59 severability, providing an effective date.
11:43:01 And making that small change between first and second
11:43:04 reading related to the 25-foot distance.
11:43:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.
11:43:10 I have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.
11:43:12 Any other discussion?
11:43:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to thank council member
11:43:16 Capin.
11:43:17 I think she was the one who brought this up months ago.
11:43:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
11:43:22 Thank you.
11:43:27 All in favor of that motion there's on the floor, please
11:43:29 indicate by saying aye.
11:43:30 Any opposed? Thank you, Mrs. Kert.
11:43:32 We appreciate it.
11:43:33 >> Second reading and adoption will be on June 23rd,
11:43:36 2016 at 9:30 a.m.
11:43:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before we go onto our next item, which is
11:43:41 number 64, Mr. Cohen, because of his time constraints,
11:43:45 wanted to make a couple of new business motions at this
11:43:48 time.
11:43:48 >>HARRY COHEN: Just one actually.
11:43:51 Thank you, Mr. Chair.
11:43:52 I appreciate it.
11:43:52 I would like to ask that we invite Judy Lisi, president of
11:43:59 Straz Center, to appear before City Council on June 16th
11:44:02 at 9:00 under ceremonial activities to present us a state of
11:44:07 the Straz Center to talk a little about the Straz center
11:44:11 plan and also present her with a commendation recognizing
11:44:14 the center for their master planning project as well as
11:44:17 their unique role of economic driver and cultural to the
11:44:22 City of Tampa.
11:44:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second by Mr. Miranda.
11:44:25 All in favor of that motion?
11:44:26 Any opposed?
11:44:28 Thank you. Okay.
11:44:29 Item number 4. Staff. Number 64. Staff.
11:44:35 There's a bunch of people here for it.
11:44:37 No one knows who to come up.
11:44:40 >>JAKE SLATER: Good morning.
11:44:44 I'm here to address any concerns or any questions concerning
11:44:47 the RFP for item number 464.
11:44:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions of Mr. Slater now?
11:45:00 Mrs. Montelione?
11:45:00 You had originally pulled it.
11:45:02 Do you have any questions?
11:45:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, thank you.
11:45:06 A couple of things that I wanted to address.
11:45:11 And they all have to do with the process of how this
11:45:17 contract is awarded and a couple of the concerns I have,
11:45:20 because initially when we brought this up, I think it was
11:45:24 back in 2012, it was at the height of the foreclosures where
11:45:32 in the City of Tampa.
11:45:33 And you and I discussed everybody was surprised that the
11:45:37 majority of them were in district 7, because the mortgages
11:45:43 and the houses that they couldn't afford when the downturn
11:45:46 in the economy occurred, and we had quite a problem with
11:45:50 code enforcement and banks taking care of their properties
11:45:55 it, and the foreclosure process is so long, or was so long,
11:46:00 that properties were falling into disrepair.
11:46:04 The homeowners were already gone.
11:46:07 The banks didn't have possession yet.
11:46:09 So we fell into this spot where nobody was taking care of
11:46:12 the property.
11:46:15 And we came up with the registry, or you came up with the
11:46:19 registry, somebody came up with the registry, great idea,
11:46:22 let's go for the.
11:46:23 Since that time things have changed.
11:46:25 The economy is better.
11:46:27 Housess are being bought and sold and rehabbed, foreclosures
11:46:32 have gone down, and with we are getting a handle.
11:46:39 I think actually we are beyond the point of getting a
11:46:42 handle.
11:46:42 I think right now the market is stabilized.
11:46:45 Yes, there are still vacant abandoned properties around the
11:46:49 city.
11:46:50 Yes, there are still foreclosures happening.
11:46:52 But we don't see the level of bright in our neighborhoods
11:46:58 that we saw back then.
11:47:10 I know when we talked about that we were doing the work
11:47:13 in-house.
11:47:14 >> That's correct.
11:47:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And treading water wasn't even possible
11:47:17 because there were so many foreclosures and so many
11:47:22 abandoned properties.
11:47:23 We are no different time now.
11:47:25 I mean, I see driving around my district, I see it driving
11:47:29 around other parts of the city.
11:47:31 It's not the case.
11:47:34 So while I wish this RFP would have happened back in 2012,
11:47:41 because we would have really needed this service back in
11:47:45 2012.
11:47:49 Because your staff was inundated by the amount of work, and
11:47:52 I know Mr. Papy was really the one who bore the brunt of
11:47:56 this work.
11:47:57 But we are not there now.
11:48:00 And there's one part of the contract on page 7, item 3.7,
11:48:09 financial matters and auditing.
11:48:11 And this is from the RFP.
11:48:15 The successful proposer will be permitted to retain 50% of
11:48:19 the 115-dollar fee for the operation of this program.
11:48:23 Not to ever exceed 500,000 in one fiscal year.
11:48:27 50% is a lot to give up.
11:48:30 And I just don't know that at this point in time we need to
11:48:37 go outside, give up half the amount of the fee for a problem
11:48:43 that I wouldn't say doesn't exist anymore but a problem that
11:48:52 is not at the stage that it was when this was thought of as
11:49:02 a solution to the amount of work that your department was
11:49:06 experiencing.
11:49:09 So, you know, that's my concern, is that I am not sure that
11:49:14 outsourcing this work is what we need to do now, especially
11:49:19 when we would be giving up half of the fee that is on the
11:49:22 table.
11:49:22 >>JAKE SLATER: Back in 2012-13, we had almost 4,000
11:49:30 registered foreclosed properties, and the ones that were not
11:49:36 registered was over 4,000.
11:49:39 So together you are talking about 8,000 properties in the
11:49:44 City of Tampa.
11:49:45 Currently we are about -- the ones that paid for the
11:49:49 foreclosure registration were about 1200 paid.
11:49:51 Unpaid we have light around 2100.
11:49:56 Just as you mentioned, we had one person doing this, and
11:50:02 again the foreclosure registration process, there's a lot of
11:50:04 moving parts.
11:50:05 Registration, deregistration, keeping up with the banks,
11:50:10 making the contacts.
11:50:11 What happens if you don't pay us?
11:50:13 What do we do?
11:50:14 Well, in the ordinance we can issue a civil citation.
11:50:21 Is it effective?
11:50:24 I have to say no.
11:50:26 Because Bank of America, a civil citation out of California,
11:50:33 probably not going to get a lot of response.
11:50:35 But I can tell you that I am prepared to act in the best
11:50:40 interest of the City of Tampa.
11:50:43 We can proceed.
11:50:44 We can move forward.
11:50:46 Either -- with either of the options.
11:50:50 I am prepared to do it either in-house and continue to the
11:50:54 best of our overall abilities, or we can go forward with the
11:50:59 RFP.
11:50:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione, you have the floor.
11:51:03 Are you sure you don't want to continue with the floor?
11:51:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm fine.
11:51:10 Either way you want, Mr. Chairman.
11:51:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I would just say that maintaining
11:51:17 it in-house is the direction I would want to go.
11:51:20 And we have other departments where collection is an issue
11:51:27 and we have discussed that here as well.
11:51:29 With other fees.
11:51:31 And we have gotten a handle, again code enforcement, it's
11:51:37 not just foreclosed properties where we have fees that go
11:51:40 uncollected, and I have had years worth of discussion, a
11:51:47 number of hours of discussion that Mr. Mueller and I have
11:51:51 had, you and I have had, you know, have talked about how to
11:51:56 collect that money.
11:51:58 Many of the code enforcement fees are not just banks that
11:52:03 may be in California but they are investors that may be
11:52:07 around the world.
11:52:09 So hiring a collections company, going and maybe giving up a
11:52:14 percentage of what the outstanding fee is -- and we are
11:52:20 talking sometimes tens of thousands of dollars for code
11:52:24 enforcement violations, you know, when they are wracking up
11:52:29 100, 200 a day.
11:52:31 I think that we could be go the same route with the
11:52:34 collections here as turn it over to a collections company
11:52:37 once the civil citation is issued and take that burden off
11:52:43 the city.
11:52:43 But I think the numbers you quote for 4,000 and 2100 is
11:52:50 huge, huge difference than what it was before.
11:52:52 >>JAKE SLATER: You are right.
11:52:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, chairman.
11:52:57 I believe the first time I heard of this registry was when
11:53:02 council chairman Tom Scott brought it up.
11:53:04 I might be incorrect, but I believe that's the first time I
11:53:08 heard about it when he was chairman of this council years
11:53:10 back.
11:53:11 He had brought that up some time ago.
11:53:12 >>JAKE SLATER: That is correct, Mr. Miranda.
11:53:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And the cost of operating this to one
11:53:21 person, is it costly?
11:53:23 Well, it is and it's not.
11:53:24 Let me explain that.
11:53:25 If you have a dollar and you try to work on that dollar from
11:53:30 in-house, and what the costs are to determine what you are
11:53:34 going to receive back, there's a cost.
11:53:38 If it's done on a 50 percent basis not to exceed 85,000, the
11:53:42 first year, that's the only year you have a guarantee, if I
11:53:45 recall.
11:53:46 >>JAKE SLATER: That is correct.
11:53:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: After that you get what you get out of
11:53:50 that 50%.
11:53:51 Then the actual cost is money that's created by them finding
11:53:55 it, and the collection money coming in.
11:53:57 That's a process which is collected.
11:54:00 Am I correct so far?
11:54:01 >>JAKE SLATER: That is correct.
11:54:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: So therefore it's a consideration that
11:54:06 you can have it both way was, but I think that -- and
11:54:11 although things are getting better, who knows what tomorrow
11:54:14 holds?
11:54:15 If you are prepared do something today, you don't have it to
11:54:18 gear up again for what could happen.
11:54:19 And what happened before could happen again.
11:54:23 I believe we are living in somewhat a false economy.
11:54:26 People who were making 20, $30 an hour making some less that
11:54:29 now in their new position.
11:54:31 So everything is relative to the time in history.
11:54:34 And I think it would be better prepared to handle this so
11:54:37 that your department can handle it much more effectively as
11:54:41 was done in the past, not that was ineffective, but more in
11:54:45 a professional manner so the moneys collected and to divvy
11:54:48 up, and you have an outside auditing company look at
11:54:51 those -- and everything is public record.
11:54:53 And you can't hide anything.
11:54:54 And, therefore, confidentiality is not -- it's moot.
11:55:01 Public record is an audited part, if I remember part of that
11:55:04 contract, therefore, I have to say that I am not opposed to
11:55:08 your presentation and what to do in the future.
11:55:10 >>JAKE SLATER: One of the points that I want to bring out
11:55:14 is that the City of Tampa is one of the only -- it shouldn't
11:55:18 say only -- one of the few large metropolitan areas in the
11:55:23 State of Florida which does the overall foreclosure
11:55:26 registration problem sees internally.
11:55:32 We are about the only ones that I am aware of.
11:55:35 We have done a lot of polling, a lot of talking, a lot of
11:55:38 reef searching, and we have done a pretty good job, and I am
11:55:40 awful proud of the staff members.
11:55:42 Remember each of the foreclosure cases is a code enforcement
11:55:47 case.
11:55:47 We have to go out.
11:55:48 We have to spend.
11:55:49 We have to.
11:55:50 MOTION MAKER: Sure the properties are kept up.
11:55:54 So it is a costly thing.
11:55:56 It is.
11:55:57 But overall, we have dawn pretty good darn job and awfully
11:56:01 proud of the staff members.
11:56:02 But I'm in a position whatever input council wants to do, we
11:56:06 can take the ball and move it forward in the most overall
11:56:11 professional manner.
11:56:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions or comments?
11:56:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: How many foreclosed properties?
11:56:21 >> Right now we have 1800 that are registered and paid.
11:56:24 We have currently the amount of ones that are foreclosed and
11:56:29 not paid, 2189.
11:56:33 So you add those together you are talking 3, 3,000, 4,
11:56:37 4,000.
11:56:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Can you handle it internally?
11:56:41 >>JAKE SLATER: A difficult question.
11:56:48 We would do our best to handle it internally.
11:56:53 We could dedicate staff.
11:56:55 We have done a pretty good job.
11:57:00 I think the point that the Councilwoman made before, I wish
11:57:04 we had the RFP back in 2012, the 2013.
11:57:07 I do.
11:57:12 What I would like to see us try for a year, see how it works
11:57:16 out, see what the results are.
11:57:20 I don't have any basis.
11:57:22 We haven't had any help.
11:57:25 We haven't had any help in that behind.
11:57:28 We won't have it a lot of staff members that involved with
11:57:31 the ones that are unpaid.
11:57:33 I'm not saying all those are going to pay us.
11:57:37 Again that's a soft overall number.
11:57:40 These not a hard number.
11:57:43 We could do it internally, yes.
11:57:45 Will we get the best overall results?
11:57:47 I can't tell you that.
11:57:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second sound?
11:57:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, trying it out for one year sounds
11:57:58 like a good proposal, but it's also the year that we are
11:58:03 guaranteeing $85,000.
11:58:08 With the numbers of -- that you quoted in the nonregistered
11:58:13 properties, or what is registered, what isn't registered,
11:58:19 how does the math work out?
11:58:21 Because when we talked yesterday, I don't think we talked
11:58:24 about the numbers of outstanding --
11:58:27 >>JAKE SLATER: I can't guarantee hard numbers that are
11:58:30 going to pay us.
11:58:32 I wish I could tell you that.
11:58:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that's another concern, is this may
11:58:38 cost us money in the first year.
11:58:42 And 85,000 is not a small chunk of change.
11:58:45 >>JAKE SLATER, no it's not, Councilwoman.
11:58:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So if we have only, you know, 12 --
11:58:50 well, not counting the ones that are already registered,
11:58:53 because they are registered, they are paid, they wouldn't
11:58:55 count.
11:58:56 So just the unregistered number.
11:58:58 >>JAKE SLATER: About 2200 that foreclosed and not paid.
11:59:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Foreclosed and not paid.
11:59:06 So 2200 times the fee.
11:59:08 >>JAKE SLATER: 125.
11:59:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: 125 minus 50%.
11:59:12 All right P.divide that in half.
11:59:16 >>JAKE SLATER: The current contract payment is 45%, 55%.
11:59:22 55% to the city.
11:59:24 45% to the vendor.
11:59:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
11:59:31 Is that in the proposal?
11:59:32 Because that's not way saw on page -- what is it, page 7.
11:59:36 >> If I could, according to the resolution that is presented
11:59:40 to us is to retain up to 50% of the $125 fee.
11:59:44 That's what it says.
11:59:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But just doing the math it doesn't seem
11:59:47 to come up to 85,000.
11:59:55 And as we move forward -- and I agree with Councilman
11:59:58 Miranda.
11:59:58 We don't know what the market is going to bring.
12:00:01 I mean, right now, it's just my take on it is we are not
12:00:08 overbuilding single-family residences right now.
12:00:10 We are overbuilding multifamily residences.
12:00:14 Now, I lived through the market when we overbuilt office
12:00:18 space.
12:00:18 And downtown was partially empty.
12:00:22 But nobody knows what the market is going to bring.
12:00:26 There are economists who predict that we might see another
12:00:29 bubble, and I don't know if it's going to be add bass bad as
12:00:37 the one we came through but I don't know what will happen in
12:00:39 2017, and in 2017 is when we are going owe them $58,000.
12:00:44 So sure, had I want us to be ready when the bubble happens
12:00:49 again but I don't want to spend money needlessly in 2017
12:00:54 when I don't think we are going to have another crash like
12:00:56 we had before.
12:00:57 And with those numbers that you are quoting, I don't see the
12:01:00 math working out.
12:01:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda.
12:01:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you for the prevent fine
12:01:07 presentation.
12:01:08 The item that I see, a little different in my math, I would
12:01:11 calculate that the collections should be about 160,000.
12:01:15 Up to 200,000.
12:01:17 That's my calculation quickly.
12:01:18 >>JAKE SLATER: That's the numbers that we talk about, up to
12:01:22 200,000 mark.
12:01:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: And I am going to the 160.
12:01:27 At that, then you have to add on the cost of some work by
12:01:30 city staff, employees of your office, these not considered
12:01:34 in the 50% shared.
12:01:36 You add that back, you will exceed what you get if you do it
12:01:40 the way you are presenting it now because the employees
12:01:44 could be used for something else to save the time and duties
12:01:46 of the city that maybe find out what's going on and take
12:01:49 pictures and more pictures and more cases being developed by
12:01:52 people who are building multifamily units and single-family
12:01:55 housing.
12:01:56 That kind of stuff.
12:01:57 And maybe check on signs that are being, you know, not five
12:02:03 minutes but every 15 seconds.
12:02:04 So I have no problem with it either way.
12:02:06 But I think for one year we could try.
12:02:09 And I think any loss at all would be minimal.
12:02:13 That's just the way I figured it out.
12:02:15 Maybe I'm a little wrong.
12:02:16 I'm not.
12:02:18 Thank you, chairman.
12:02:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before we go forward I have some questions
12:02:21 myself but co-I get an spendings of time?
12:02:25 30 minutes?
12:02:29 Hopefully we will be done before 30 minutes.
12:02:30 I got a motion from Mrs. Montelione.
12:02:32 Second from Mr. Maniscalco.
12:02:35 All in favor? Any opposed?
12:02:36 Okay.
12:02:37 Mr. Slater, a couple things.
12:02:41 Under the RFP, it was under the guise of 115-dollar fee
12:02:46 versus what we have in our proposal which is 125.
12:02:48 Why the difference of ten dollars on that fee?
12:02:51 >>JAKE SLATER: The total amount of fee is $15.
12:02:54 There's a ten dollar admin fee that goes into an overall
12:02:58 separate account, and then the fee itself is 115.
12:03:03 Plus a $10 admin fee.
12:03:07 So the funds that would be split would be 115.
12:03:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It's not clear because the way the
12:03:13 resolution reads is 125.
12:03:16 And so I am in a little bit of confusion because I looked at
12:03:21 the RFP and looked at the resolution.
12:03:23 >>JAKE SLATER: You are correct.
12:03:26 I'm not sure of that myself.
12:03:27 I don't know whether the split would be the 125 split tore
12:03:31 115 split.
12:03:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It does make a small difference.
12:03:37 When I saw that, it made me wake up and I felt, like me ask
12:03:42 that question.
12:03:42 >> I believe it's a 125 amount.
12:03:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As part of the RFP, and I am going to try to
12:03:52 pick your brain a little bit to remember because we have had
12:03:55 discussion beings this before, which is the essence of what
12:03:58 we were trying to do was, A, the workload that you had on
12:04:01 your folks in order to actually change after who actually
12:04:04 owned the property now, because of the way that the economy
12:04:09 collapsed, there were a lot of companies that were buying
12:04:12 loans that now will be were selling those loans during the
12:04:16 course of time.
12:04:17 And so it was hard for us to figure out who actually owned
12:04:20 it and if they owned it how we can get in touch with them,
12:04:23 and after getting in touch with them making sure they
12:04:26 maintain those properties. So that was a three-step
12:04:30 process.
12:04:30 In order to make it easier for you as the head of code
12:04:34 enforcement to say, hey, listen, we have this under control.
12:04:38 Isn't that correct?
12:04:39 Isn't that what we were trying to do from the very
12:04:42 beginning?
12:04:44 >>JAKE SLATER: That is correct.
12:04:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Now the RFP indicates a couple of things.
12:04:47 When I looked at what you were requesting, you were
12:04:51 requesting something a little bit less than what -- it's a
12:04:56 little confusing, the RFP.
12:04:58 And I have to say because of some of the specifics that are
12:05:00 part of the contract, but some of the generalities that
12:05:04 parted of the RFP.
12:05:05 So I got a little confused on it because it sounds like on
12:05:08 the RFP that all we want is somebody to put a registry
12:05:11 together of these foreclosed homes, whereas we actually want
12:05:14 somebody to go out and get some of those dollars that they
12:05:18 job to us for having been foreclosed and not maintaining
12:05:23 their properties.
12:05:23 Is that correct?
12:05:25 >> That's correct.
12:05:26 That was an important part of the RFP, yes.
12:05:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I mention that because as part of the RFP
12:05:31 and part of the contractual process, one of the things that
12:05:34 we request is that they have some experience whenever
12:05:39 municipalities of 300,000 or more in doing this type of
12:05:42 work.
12:05:43 And from what I have been able to see as part of the
12:05:46 background material from the awardee, I don't see that.
12:05:52 I see primarily a company that does a lot of business with
12:05:56 property appraisers offices across the country, very little
12:06:01 in terms of municipalities.
12:06:03 I did some -- when I looked on the website I found nothing
12:06:09 about what they either put in the proposal or that they have
12:06:11 the experience of doing this type of work.
12:06:14 So, in fact, the only city that they have mentioned is Ocoee
12:06:19 which believe me is not 300,000 people and they would be
12:06:22 very shocked -- 300,000 person city.
12:06:26 So I am a little confused as to what qualifies for the
12:06:29 reference and what is considered what we want from somebody.
12:06:34 Because we don't want somebody to just tell us who is there.
12:06:37 We want somebody who is going to go after the money.
12:06:39 And that's a big issue for me.
12:06:41 >>JAKE SLATER: I understand.
12:06:44 I know that the evaluation scoring committee had a
12:06:47 presentation by both vendors.
12:06:52 I was float on the team.
12:06:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Which is very important, by the way, and
12:06:56 thank you.
12:06:57 >>JAKE SLATER: I was not involved with that at all.
12:07:00 I can ask Sal to come up and give you some background on
12:07:03 what was presented as their overall type of experience.
12:07:06 But I was not there in the room.
12:07:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
12:07:09 And you are smart enough to bring your staff here to answer
12:07:12 a question that you don't know the answer to.
12:07:14 >>JAKE SLATER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
12:07:16 >> Sal Ruggerio, neighborhood empowerment.
12:07:25 When they did the presentation, when they came in the room
12:07:28 and showed us exactly washing they could do, we felt very
12:07:31 comfortable with the company that won.
12:07:36 They were, number one, they developed a program that was
12:07:41 comparable to what is being used right now so, that the
12:07:44 companies wouldn't have been any learning curve, they could
12:07:50 jump right in and register.
12:07:52 Number two, their split for the city was favorable to us.
12:07:58 Number 3, where they are adaptable to change.
12:08:03 Anything that we want to do, they are not opposed to doing.
12:08:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I can interrupt you just a second.
12:08:09 The question is not some of the things that you just
12:08:11 mentioned, but about the experience in terms of the
12:08:15 collection portion of it.
12:08:17 That's specifically what I am asking.
12:08:18 >> In our opinion, we felt, you know, that they had TFR
12:08:26 electronic experience to do the job that we were asking them
12:08:29 to do.
12:08:33 In my opinion, they dealt with some property appraisers'
12:08:37 office, and to me that showed me that they knew the process,
12:08:42 they knew exactly what to do.
12:08:45 It didn't really require that they had experience with
12:08:49 people with 300,000 or more population.
12:08:52 It came in and they were comfortable, and they showed us
12:08:56 exactly that.
12:08:58 Their experience with their I.T. people, they could adapt to
12:09:04 have what they needed to do and be fine.
12:09:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The only reason I asked the question is
12:09:08 because it's part of the RFP.
12:09:10 None of us up here wrote the RFP.
12:09:13 So that's why the question is there.
12:09:15 >> Right. In my opinion, it wasn't a deal breaker to say
12:09:20 that.
12:09:22 They don't have in a experience with population over
12:09:24 300,000.
12:09:25 To me, there were other factors.
12:09:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.
12:09:31 And that's why I wanted to make sure we clarify.
12:09:34 Because if collection is an important part of this, which I
12:09:36 think it is, and it's the ultimate goal, which is to take it
12:09:40 out of your hands, fur going to let someone else do it,
12:09:42 let's make sure we get some dollars out of it.
12:09:45 Now, about that particular aspect of it, I am a huge
12:09:49 believer in paying contingency fees to people who are going
12:09:51 to do jobs.
12:09:52 And being an insurance agent I get paid based on way do for
12:09:58 people and I get paid a commission based on that work,
12:10:00 meaning if I don't do a good job I don't get paid, and I am
12:10:04 a big believer from that.
12:10:05 So I don't know why there is a minimum amount in here -- and
12:10:09 again, this we are paying for someone to create something to
12:10:13 meet our need and we are paying it up front because they
12:10:18 don't want to do it on contingency, then I totally
12:10:20 understand.
12:10:21 And it sound like that's what this is, personally, based on
12:10:25 both how it's written and also in terms of subcontracted
12:10:28 amount that we have.
12:10:29 I believe that that's exactly what you are diagnose.
12:10:33 Whether knowingly or unknowingly, I think that's what's
12:10:37 happening.
12:10:37 I don't support something like this because I do believe
12:10:40 whereby it's totally doing contingency.
12:10:42 If we are going to let someone else do our stuff, let them
12:10:45 work hard and let them do it and slow the results in the
12:10:48 moneys that we receive back.
12:10:49 They get paid a certain amount and we do, too.
12:10:52 I prefer to have it like that, because the way it's written
12:10:55 now I don't like that, and I am not going to support that
12:10:58 with nab there. So I just want to make sure.
12:11:01 I want to get everything clear, want to make sure we get the
12:11:04 best contract as possible.
12:11:06 I am a little bit uneasy with that portion of it.
12:11:09 And that's part of the reason why I am not going to support
12:11:11 it.
12:11:11 There are any other questions or comments regarding this?
12:11:15 Mrs. Montelione.
12:11:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm glad that Mr. Ruggerio is at the
12:11:21 microphone.
12:11:22 Everybody on that team, and Mr. Mueller who is here in the
12:11:24 audience, scored it evenly with varying degrees in each of
12:11:30 the categories, but the total points it was dead even.
12:11:35 And Joe Papy, there was a 15 point spread, with Camille
12:11:43 Federich, who is, I believe, with CNI, she's retired now, is
12:11:48 a ten point spread. That's probably why she's not here.
12:11:55 My point was that everybody was either even or very close in
12:11:58 their scoring.
12:11:59 But you had a 40-point spread in your scoring, which was
12:12:07 interesting to me, because looking at everybody else being
12:12:11 even.
12:12:11 I am disappointed to say that for minority and WMBE
12:12:17 participation, which you know I am always looking out for,
12:12:20 Mr. Spearman is shaking his head back there because he
12:12:22 knows, is zero.
12:12:23 So I am disappointed in that, that there was a zero score in
12:12:27 that for both sides, for both of the responses.
12:12:34 But the 40-point spread kind of stood out to me.
12:12:37 And the biggest, I think, was in the first category.
12:12:40 And when you are saying that they met, you know, the
12:12:44 requirements of the ability to do the work, Mr. Suarez
12:12:53 pointed out the size of the cities.
12:12:58 But one of the requirements is knowledge of the banking
12:13:03 industry, and one of the things that you pointed out was
12:13:06 that they have done other registries before.
12:13:09 When I looked through their response, it was construction
12:13:12 services, permitting, it was property appraiser fees,
12:13:19 catalogue, so there's not a lot of banking.
12:13:24 And when we are chasing after banks and you have the federal
12:13:28 banking regulations, that would be an important thing for
12:13:31 me.
12:13:32 And I didn't see that in their background.
12:13:35 And you scored them the highest on that category.
12:13:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda.
12:13:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, chairman.
12:13:50 Calculating these numbers if it is a 125 and 50-50 split I
12:13:55 would say you need approximately 2900 of these so-called
12:14:00 unfortunate circumstances out there, because then you go to
12:14:07 6250 times 2903 times 30 will give you about $93.70 split,
12:14:15 and so you need close to 3,000 to have a little cushion to
12:14:20 make sure it doesn't cost anything the first year.
12:14:22 But a one-year operation fur going to lose something is
12:14:25 going to be minimum because you already said you have about
12:14:27 that many on the books, and books that haven't been updated.
12:14:32 I think you are in reason that the costs are going to be
12:14:35 net, neutral to both sides, and therefore I am not against
12:14:39 what you are saying.
12:14:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions of Mr. Slater?
12:14:45 Okay.
12:14:46 Is there anyone that would like to move that resolution?
12:14:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move the resolution 64.
12:14:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Dough I have a second?
12:14:53 Motion from Mr. Miranda.
12:14:54 I have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.
12:14:56 All in favor of that res motion?
12:14:59 Any opposed?
12:15:00 Nay.
12:15:01 >>THE CLERK: Motion fails with Capin, Suarez and Montelione
12:15:06 voting no, and Cohen and Reddick being absent.
12:15:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much.
12:15:15 We have item number 68 which is a first reading
12:15:19 consideration.
12:15:20 Mr. Slater is here.
12:15:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Do we give direction to do it in-house?
12:15:27 It's a 3-2 and I don't want to belabor this thing forever.
12:15:33 But I move to have the direction to the city to continue
12:15:36 doing in-house collection of these fees.
12:15:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Second.
12:15:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Miranda.
12:15:42 Second by Mrs. Capin.
12:15:43 All in favor of that motion?
12:15:45 Any opposed?
12:15:47 Thank you.
12:15:49 Okay, Jake, number 68, sir.
12:15:51 >>JAKE SLATER: We are here to talk about the rental
12:15:53 inspection program that we have been working on for the past
12:15:56 several years with our friends over at the greater Tampa
12:16:00 Realtors association that I believe was here earlier this
12:16:03 morning under public comments.
12:16:05 We feel very, very strongly that this is going to provide
12:16:07 with us the best overall use of our resources, actually
12:16:17 target the blighted areas, the problematic landlords and to
12:16:21 do the best jobs for the citizens of this great city.
12:16:23 We have worked hard on this.
12:16:26 We have spent a lot of time talking about chronic offenders
12:16:28 and chronic violators and repeat violators that really cause
12:16:33 us a lot of problems.
12:16:34 And we do have some things to work out in regards to
12:16:37 standard operating procedures.
12:16:40 Those types of nuts and Bolts that we assured, our overall
12:16:45 friends at the realtors association that they would be part
12:16:48 of that overall discussion.
12:16:49 And again I think this is a win-win situation for the City
12:16:52 of Tampa and also for the realtors and the property owners
12:16:55 because we are devoting our overall limited time and
12:17:00 resources to go after the problematic landlords that cause
12:17:03 the majority of problems in the City of Tampa.
12:17:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions plaintiff slater?
12:17:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am so happy this -- that this is
12:17:13 finally moving forward.
12:17:14 I have lost track of how many years it has been that we have
12:17:17 been working on this, but thank you thank you very much.
12:17:20 Thank you, Mike, for being here in support, the realtors,
12:17:24 many of us have spoken with not just did leadership of the
12:17:29 realtors organization but with rank and file members, with
12:17:33 city staff, and I think that it is a testament to Ohio we
12:17:39 are able to work together to finally come to resolution, and
12:17:44 happy to do this.
12:17:45 >>JAKE SLATER: I could not be more happy.
12:17:51 We have a great partnership with them.
12:17:52 We have learned from them.
12:17:53 They have learned from us.
12:17:54 And there was compromise.
12:17:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I think back when we talked about this, I
12:18:03 mentioned that my husband was a real estate broker, and how
12:18:06 important it was to include them in the conversation, and I
12:18:09 commend you and the staff and the board of realtors for
12:18:13 working this out.
12:18:16 It really is a testament to how good your staff is.
12:18:21 Thank you.
12:18:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other comments or questions?
12:18:25 Mrs. Montelione, would you take number 68 for first reading?
12:18:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Certainly.
12:18:35 Let me turn the page here.
12:18:45 No offense to those who love chopped liver.
12:18:48 I present an ordinance for first reading consideration, an
12:18:51 ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida relating to the
12:18:53 rental certificate program making revisions to the City of
12:18:55 Tampa code of ordinances chapter 19, property maintenance
12:18:58 and structural standards, and chapter 23.5, supplemental
12:19:01 enforcement procedures, amending section 19-5, authority of
12:19:05 the director deleting division 2, certificates, inspections,
12:19:09 creating division 6, rental certificate program sections
12:19:12 19-105 through 19-125, amending section 23.5-5 schedule of
12:19:20 violations and penalties, repealing all ordinances or parts
12:19:23 of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
12:19:26 severability, providing an effective date.
12:19:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione, a second
12:19:30 from Mr. Maniscalco.
12:19:31 All in favor of that motion?
12:19:33 Any opposed?
12:19:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And thank you, Mr. Mueller, if he's
12:19:38 here.
12:19:38 You put a lot of hours into that.
12:19:41 >>JAKE SLATER: Thank you, council members.
12:19:49 >>THE CLERK: Second reading and adoption will be held on
12:19:51 June 23rd, 2016 at 9:30 a.m.
12:19:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before staff leaves, code enforcement as was
12:19:57 pointed out by our legal staff that if something fails for
12:20:02 lack of four votes it comes back to a regular session for
12:20:07 legislative matter.
12:20:08 So if you are so inclined and want to continue to put this
12:20:13 on the regular agenda you can.
12:20:14 Obviously this has been a bellwether for you as to whether
12:20:18 or not you want to be go forward.
12:20:21 Mr. Miranda already talked about doing it in-house.
12:20:24 I assume it is their prerogative to whether they want to
12:20:26 continue and put this back on the agenda.
12:20:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Normally council action requires a vote of
12:20:31 four irrespective of what that action is, motion to approve
12:20:34 or deny.
12:20:35 So not having the vote of four in a legislative matter,
12:20:39 unless council wants to make a motion that gets you to a
12:20:43 vote of four, normally we would have to bring it back to a
12:20:46 point where the next council meeting, where you can get four
12:20:49 votes one way or the other.
12:20:51 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
12:20:55 I believe Marty has raise add very good point.
12:20:58 And because you have a contract from an outside vendor, I
12:21:05 think it is appropriate to roll over to a meeting where we
12:21:10 could obtain four votes in either direction.
12:21:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move that we bring this back when we
12:21:17 have a full council.
12:21:18 I don't know when that will be.
12:21:21 I will be here next week during the evening session. I
12:21:24 don't think I will be here for the day session.
12:21:25 I have to do some work for the State of Florida.
12:21:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I will not be here June 23.
12:21:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: July, whatever.
12:21:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We will make an open ended motion if we
12:21:38 could.
12:21:39 Come back -- does that come back during the next regular
12:21:42 agenda time Mr. Miranda has made a motion concerning that we
12:21:46 have a full council.
12:21:47 I don't think that we can meet that motion based on the rule
12:21:51 saying that it comes back during the next regular session.
12:21:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Which would be the 23rd, the next
12:21:56 regular session.
12:21:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We will not have been a full council at that
12:21:59 time.
12:22:01 Be I guess my point before you go forward, Mrs. Montelione,
12:22:06 the rules say that it will come back.
12:22:08 Whether or not we have a full council does not matter.
12:22:10 So we come back at the next regular session.
12:22:13 We will deal with it at that time.
12:22:15 Thank you.
12:22:16 I don't think we need tore do anything in a positive way.
12:22:23 I guess could you rescind the motion.
12:22:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't think it matters.
12:22:30 We legally solve it now.
12:22:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Diabetes F any of the staff don't understand
12:22:36 what that means, see Mr. Miranda.
12:22:38 Thank you.
12:22:38 Next item up.
12:22:40 Number 69 we need to move to July 14th.
12:22:44 Motion from Mr. Miranda.
12:22:45 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
12:22:47 Under staff reports.
12:22:48 July 14, 2016.
12:22:49 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.
12:22:52 Any opposed?
12:22:53 Now, we are on item number 72.
12:23:00 All other items have been moved through the addendum to the
12:23:04 agenda.
12:23:05 Item number 72.
12:23:06 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.
12:23:10 This is a request by the legal department to come back with
12:23:14 an ordinance which would provide the process for in the
12:23:18 event the city is to sell a parking garage that there is a
12:23:27 requirement of referendum prior to that sale occurring.
12:23:31 As I wrote my memo, I felt that I needed to get a little bit
12:23:34 more direction.
12:23:36 I think that it raises an interesting legal issue, as your
12:23:41 charter clearly provides that the determination as to
12:23:45 whether or not to enter into a contract for sale of any city
12:23:48 real estate falls squarely within your authority.
12:23:52 It is the administration negotiates, brings it to you, you
12:23:58 vote it up or down for whatever reasons you feel are
12:24:01 appropriate.
12:24:02 In essence what you bow be doing is delegating that
12:24:05 authority, that wife, back to the voters, which the voters
12:24:08 are the ones that helped to create your charter.
12:24:12 Whether or not legally that's appropriate in ordinance or
12:24:16 not, I think there is probably no really good answer on that
12:24:19 particular issue.
12:24:21 All that being said prior to moving forward, I maybe wanted
12:24:23 to get a little better understanding as to what council
12:24:26 would like to accomplish, and there Pa may be other
12:24:31 alternative ways to do that.
12:24:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I think as the maker of the original
12:24:35 motion, I understood what happened when we sold one of the
12:24:39 garages and what it cost the taxpayers of this city to
12:24:42 subsidize the parking for some time.
12:24:50 That's about even now, and I don't want to see that happen
12:24:53 again.
12:24:53 So if what you are telling me can't delegate, don't want to
12:24:57 do something we can't do. But should you need a super
12:25:01 majority to sell an asset of a certain amount of money?
12:25:05 >>JULIA MANDELL: It is complete lit within this come up's
12:25:07 authority to make that ultimate determination.
12:25:11 I don't believe there's anything in the charter that would
12:25:13 prohibited you providing that what your process in selling
12:25:17 of an asset, or selling an asset which of a certain type, I
12:25:25 believe that's something that's within your bailiwick.
12:25:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: The reason I say that is the City of
12:25:33 Tampa is going to have enormous growth in the next few
12:25:36 years.
12:25:36 Whether we like it or not it's going to happen.
12:25:38 And I think it's a good thing for the prosperity of the
12:25:41 family, kids that coming back from school and staying here
12:25:44 instead of going somewhere else.
12:25:45 And I really believe that the downtown area and other areas
12:25:50 of town is where city garages are but primarily in the
12:25:54 downtown area.
12:25:54 And if we start selling these assets -- international not
12:25:58 saying it's going to happen -- but if we do we are going to
12:26:01 find ourselves on the short side of an obligation that we
12:26:04 should not be, and therefore I would really like to see --
12:26:07 we are not going to be here, most of us.
12:26:09 Certainly the mayor is not going to be here in the next two
12:26:12 or three years.
12:26:13 And I don't nobody what's going to happen but I want to make
12:26:16 certain -- want to make sure the assets are protected so
12:26:19 that the citizens don't have to pay for it twice.
12:26:21 And that's the reason that I say if it's possible to have a
12:26:24 super majority to sell an asset -- and I don't want to say
12:26:27 something like this, but an asset of $5 million or up,
12:26:30 something that has to be do with money, and not specifically
12:26:33 sole that it's guaranteed that the taxpayers are protected.
12:26:37 That's all I am saying.
12:26:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I am in total agreement with what
12:26:42 Mr. Miranda has proposed.
12:26:47 I won't be here after November.
12:26:49 And this council, you know, we have talked about before, the
12:26:55 reasons why we do things is sometimes not a reflection of
12:26:59 the people sitting here, or the mayor sitting across the
12:27:03 courtyard.
12:27:03 It's because we are looking to the future, and we want to be
12:27:09 sure that we set framework in place for future generations
12:27:15 and future times.
12:27:17 So I would have agree with what he's proposing.
12:27:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You are proposing and asking our legal,
12:27:26 it's a very prudent way to go.
12:27:29 So could we send it out and you come back?
12:27:34 >>JULIA MANDELL: It would be appropriate for to you make a
12:27:37 motion to ask the legal department to bring back an
12:27:39 ordinance with what I hear you say the parameter of any
12:27:42 city-ole real estate asset, or all assets, however you want
12:27:46 to characterize it, real estate assets that also valued at
12:27:51 over $5 million, and that any of those assets that are going
12:27:54 to be sold be presented to City Council, City Council would
12:27:58 need to have a super jolter vote it to be effectuated.
12:28:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: She said it best.
12:28:07 >> Second.
12:28:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Diabetes you get that motion?
12:28:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I make a motion we approve everything
12:28:15 that the city attorney just said.
12:28:17 >> I am going to forget it as soon as I leave here.
12:28:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Save time and energy.
12:28:26 (Laughter).
12:28:26 >> we have a motion from Mr. Miranda.
12:28:28 We have a second from Mrs. Capin.
12:28:30 All in favor of that motion?
12:28:31 Any opposed?
12:28:34 Okay.
12:28:34 Thank you, Mrs. Mandell
12:28:36 Before we go to item number 74, we have three minutes
12:28:40 according to my clock left.
12:28:42 I think Mr. Spearman is going to take a little more than
12:28:44 three minutes.
12:28:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Let's make it eight minutes.
12:28:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you want to make it till 12:40?
12:28:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: 12:40, okay.
12:28:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mr. Miranda.
12:29:00 Second by Mrs. Capin to add time up to 12:40 p.m.
12:29:05 All in favor of that motion? Any opposed?
12:29:08 Thank you.
12:29:09 Mr. Spearman.
12:29:10 >>GREG SPEARMAN: Thank you, Mr. Chair and council.
12:29:13 This won't take that long.
12:29:14 If we could bring up the Power Point, please.
12:29:19 We were before you not too long ago and you asked us to come
12:29:22 back with contractor operator parts store, and one of the
12:29:28 questions that Councilman Miranda wanted know is how much
12:29:31 this would cost the city or how much the city would be able
12:29:34 to charge for rent if in fact we charged to rent.
12:29:39 We are going to talk about that.
12:29:40 We are also going to talk about benefits of this contract
12:29:44 for the city in terms of operation.
12:29:46 And then we are going to talk about some of the metrics
12:29:49 before and after the contract was implemented.
12:29:53 Beginning with the first line.
12:29:55 We did talk with the real estate department, and they gave
12:29:59 an evaluation in terms of what the rent would have been, and
12:30:03 that would have been somewhere between 4 and $5 per square
12:30:07 foot, to the tune of 40 to $50,000. This is actually a
12:30:13 savings to fleet because that amount of money would have
12:30:16 been charged back by the contractor into the cost of the
12:30:19 contract.
12:30:20 So that's what that number represents.
12:30:24 Had rent been something that -- if the contractor would have
12:30:28 paid to the city.
12:30:29 Now, in looking at this contract in terms of the implemented
12:30:36 of parks, there are a number of entities in the State of
12:30:38 Florida that have an existing contract similar to the City
12:30:40 of Tampa.
12:30:41 Hillsborough County, city of Lakeland, city of OCOEE, Polk
12:30:46 County, city of Cape Canaveral, Florida, Sarasota, Florida,
12:30:52 Palm Beach, Florida, and one outside of the city, city of
12:30:59 Dublin, Ohio.
12:31:00 >> You meant Cape Coral, not Cape Canaveral.
12:31:03 >>GREG SPEARMAN: That's right.
12:31:06 Thank you, Mr. Chair.
12:31:07 None of these entities are actually charging rent in terms
12:31:10 of having a contact operated park to operate on-site.
12:31:15 When we look at the city old process and current process, if
12:31:21 you look at the chart before you, in terms of staff salaries
12:31:24 and benefits, we were paying $310,994. Under the COPS
12:31:31 contract employees provided by MANCON, 261,878.
12:31:44 In terms of the management fee, obviously the city didn't
12:31:46 have that, but with the contract there's a 60,631 management
12:31:46 fee being charged for management fee.
12:31:48 Annual bids before we estimated this contract, we had about
12:31:52 37 of those.
12:31:53 And now we are down to one.
12:31:55 When you look at administrative costs in terms of process
12:31:58 and purchase orders, invoices and checks, that cost the city
12:32:03 about $97,524.
12:32:06 So with this particular contract in place, we are talking
12:32:12 about 15-40 annually, one PO and one invoice per month.
12:32:19 In terms of the value of the fleet on hand when the city was
12:32:21 operating, a little over $268,000; with MANCON that's about
12:32:32 786,000.
12:32:33 In terms of the on demand available stock, in inventory,
12:32:36 with the city's process, was about 44%. With the contract
12:32:40 operated parts store with MANCON, that's about 99.57%.
12:32:47 And then the average expenditure for parts under the city
12:32:49 was about 28.60, and under the contract with MANCON, $26.21.
12:32:57 So when we looked at the overall benefits of having this
12:33:01 program in place, we have a reduction in number of bids,
12:33:04 purchase orders, invoices and checks, processed by the city.
12:33:08 We have an increase in on hand inventory available at no
12:33:14 cost to the city until the parts are actually used, so we
12:33:17 have nearly three times the amount of inventory on hand than
12:33:21 we had before the contract.
12:33:22 The demand rate is about 99.57% in terms of having parts
12:33:27 available. For anything that's not available, in terms of
12:33:37 stock items, 89% of the time we get that within one day, and
12:33:42 94% we get within 3 days.
12:33:44 We have an 8.04% savings in terms of the contract part with
12:33:48 regard to fleet.
12:33:49 Now, there's also one other thing I want to share with you.
12:33:52 There is a publication which is published in the May
12:34:05 23rd edition of Government Fleet and it talks
12:34:06 about ---this is from Ponoma county, California, outsourced
12:34:10 their fleet parts operation, and over a 5-year period they
12:34:14 saved $2.1 million.
12:34:16 And the savings came from procurement, inventory,
12:34:20 distribution, accounting, payment remittance, and also staff
12:34:25 cost savings.
12:34:26 And they quoted from any entities in particular, and
12:34:33 included Sarasota County, Florida.
12:34:35 They basically reported that they had a significant
12:34:37 reduction in wait time for parts in Sarasota County.
12:34:41 And a quote from the auditor says when parts management was
12:34:45 done in house, the fleet encountered challenges, related to
12:34:49 inventory, staffing problems, parts availability, parts
12:34:56 delivery.
12:34:58 All these problems went away.
12:35:01 And the city of Dublin, Ohio, they quote improved
12:35:05 productivity time.
12:35:06 Now because of the increased availability of the parts they
12:35:08 are able to repair their vehicle fleet a lot sooner.
12:35:12 In Palm Beach County, they not only reduced their budget but
12:35:16 they also increased efficiency throughout fleet operations
12:35:20 and in fact throughout the vehicles as well.
12:35:25 So under the past three years, under their contract, their
12:35:28 rate was 90.8% in FY 14, 89.9% in '15, 91.4%, in FY 16.
12:35:38 So all of these statistics from all of these entities
12:35:40 throughout the country and the operation of the contract is
12:35:44 right on target with the City of Tampa.
12:35:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
12:35:47 Mr. Miranda.
12:35:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
12:35:50 I really appreciate your report.
12:35:51 It's very nice to know what California is doing.
12:35:53 But we are not saving 2.1 million.
12:35:56 That's number one.
12:35:56 Number two, when you look at that, I can't compare the same
12:36:02 vegetables with a fruit, meaning that if in California they
12:36:08 saved that, and if I was to offer the same vendors that we
12:36:10 had free rent, I don't know what the savings would be.
12:36:13 I really don't.
12:36:15 Also, the counties with NAPA, Hillsborough County, 80% of
12:36:20 the parts that they ordered should be deliverable within 45
12:36:23 minutes. I don't see how in the world they can do that
12:36:25 because if you have a traffic problem and two or three
12:36:29 lights you are going to be much later than 45 minutes.
12:36:32 95% with NAPA must be delivered within 120 hours or five
12:36:37 days.
12:36:37 And different equipment at different sizes and different
12:36:40 weights, they have to be delivered within 156 hours or
12:36:44 roughly 6 days.
12:36:46 So I understand all that.
12:36:48 But, like I said, I haven't had the chance to go back and
12:36:51 review.
12:36:52 I will be getting with you, sir, on the cost of each
12:36:55 individual item so I can -- I'm from Missouri, I have got to
12:36:58 go see for myself.
12:37:00 So I will be going to the different battery companies,
12:37:03 different vendors, of radiator shops and the different
12:37:06 things and compare the price when I do my own Miranda audit.
12:37:10 And thank you very much for appearing.
12:37:11 >>GREG SPEARMAN: Thank you, Councilman.
12:37:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's what they call the Miranda rule.
12:37:16 (Laughter)
12:37:18 Do you have any questions or comments?
12:37:19 And if I could, Mr. Spearman, according to your graphic that
12:37:25 shows how much we are paying both in terms of management fee
12:37:29 and everything else, it's about 11,500 more than what we had
12:37:33 before.
12:37:33 Now, the way I read it is that $11,000 is to allow us to
12:37:38 have better access to more parts in a quicker manner.
12:37:44 That's the way I look at it.
12:37:45 And correct me if I am wrong; is that the way you all look
12:37:47 at it also in terms of the contract?
12:37:50 >>GREG SPEARMAN: It's an efficiency improvement.
12:37:53 >> And then the up to $50,000 of lost rent, quote-unquote.
12:37:57 That is not included as part of any of those numbers there.
12:38:00 So you are looking at that 11,000 to the plus side, but then
12:38:06 you would subtract in your mind the 50,000, correct?
12:38:10 >> Correct.
12:38:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So there's a small amount of savings up
12:38:13 front on a year-to-year basis just on the management side of
12:38:17 it, the way I am reading what you have provided to us.
12:38:20 I just want to make sure.
12:38:22 I am reading what you are giving to us so I am not confused.
12:38:24 >>GREG SPEARMAN: That's correct.
12:38:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It's hard to oh do, to not confuse me.
12:38:29 Any other questions from council?
12:38:33 Thank you, Mr. Speerman.
12:38:35 All right.
12:38:36 We are at information reports and new business.
12:38:39 Mr. Miranda.
12:38:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I make a motion to present a
12:38:41 commendation to Viola Luke, of the city clerk's office,
12:38:46 retiring after 44 years of dedicated service to the City of
12:38:49 Tampa.
12:38:50 And that commendation to be prepared and submitted to her
12:38:54 here at this council chamber on Thursday, June 23rd.
12:38:56 >> Second.
12:38:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Miranda.
12:38:59 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
12:39:01 All in favor of that motion?
12:39:04 Anything else, sir?
12:39:05 >> No, sir.
12:39:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I have a couple of motions here, one that I
12:39:09 started earlier, have staff to provide how the moneys that
12:39:18 are coming into the land development -- I didn't write it
12:39:28 down -- to tell us how Jean Duncan -- yeah, the impact fees,
12:39:35 and how that is being spent, and how maybe we can use this
12:39:41 money to kick start the intersection of Gandy and Westshore.
12:39:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mrs. Capin.
12:39:51 Do I have a second? Second from Mr. Maniscalco.
12:39:54 All in favor of that motion?
12:39:55 Any opposed?
12:40:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: July 14.
12:40:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Under staff reports.
12:40:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, under staff reports.
12:40:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.
12:40:10 Anything else?
12:40:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
12:40:13 I would like to request Mr. Greg Bayor or representative
12:40:17 from the Parks and Recreation Department appear on June
12:40:20 16th City Council meeting to give an update on the
12:40:22 summer programs and the programs throughout the city, the
12:40:28 locations and hours of operation of the parks and pools that
12:40:31 will remain open.
12:40:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
12:40:34 Do I have a second? Second from Mr. Maniscalco.
12:40:37 All in favor of that motion?
12:40:39 Any opposed?
12:40:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And the last motion is to have -- it may be
12:40:48 Cathy Coyle's business license department, the ordinance
12:40:53 which is 2011-124, which is a safety placard posting on
12:40:58 conditions that alcoholic beverage establishments agree to
12:41:01 and are listed on their site plan be posted.
12:41:06 And I want to get a report on where we are at, how many have
12:41:10 been -- how many have gone out.
12:41:13 And I would like that also on July 14 under staff reports.
12:41:17 >> [Off microphone.]
12:41:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I said July 14, didn't I?
12:41:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think you did.
12:41:29 We have a motion by Mrs. Capin.
12:41:30 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.
12:41:32 All in favor?
12:41:33 Any opposed?
12:41:35 Okay.
12:41:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's it for me.
12:41:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Maniscalco?
12:41:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Nothing.
12:41:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione?
12:41:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much.
12:41:45 I have a few.
12:41:48 I am going to start out with probably the most -- first, I
12:41:52 would like to offer my condolences to the families of the
12:41:55 two individuals who died as a result of the -- I shouldn't
12:42:07 say as a result.
12:42:07 Let me rephrase that.
12:42:09 Who died while attending -- or just after attending the
12:42:15 sunset music festival.
12:42:18 It's very heart breaking when you lose a child.
12:42:22 And I can't imagine what that must feel like.
12:42:28 I would like to have assistant chief Bryan Dugan, fire chief
12:42:34 Tom Forward, and are the director of the Sports Authority
12:42:39 Eric Hart appear at our next council meeting, which is the
12:42:44 23rd.
12:42:45 I have already spoken to all three of them about this so
12:42:50 they know that I was going to be requesting this today.
12:42:53 I would like them to -- chief Dugan and chief forward to
12:42:58 provide an analysis of the events of last weekend, of the
12:43:05 two-day festival, the number of calls, as best they can
12:43:10 determine what those calls were attributed to, and the
12:43:14 impact on St. Joseph's hospital.
12:43:17 I think Chief Forward has a pretty good handle on that.
12:43:20 We should have all received an e-mail from one of the nurses
12:43:23 at St. Joseph's hospital.
12:43:25 And really look at how we can move forward to prevent these
12:43:32 kinds of incidents from happening again, to prevent deaths
12:43:37 or near fatalities happening at festivals, and when I talked
12:43:46 to them, drug use and music festivals have gone hand in hand
12:43:51 since there have been music festivals, I don't know how many
12:43:56 years ago.
12:43:57 So it's not that we could stop illicit activities from
12:44:03 happening at these festivals.
12:44:05 But I believe as a city what we really want is to reduce
12:44:10 harm.
12:44:11 So whether it's at this music festival or any other, you
12:44:14 know, music festival, whether it's a sporting event, or
12:44:20 anything that would draw a lot of people and ab companying
12:44:30 heat exhaustion, alcohol, possible drug use, that we need to
12:44:33 start looking at how we are doing the best we can to keep
12:44:39 people safe.
12:44:40 I read a couple articles of other cities who have taken
12:44:43 these steps, Seattle, Los Angeles, and the city in British
12:44:49 Columbia in Canada, to great effect.
12:44:53 So I would like to talk about best practices, and that would
12:44:57 be under staff reports on June 23rd.
12:45:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.
12:45:04 Maniscalco.
12:45:04 All in favor of that motion?
12:45:05 Any opposed?
12:45:06 Anything else, ma'am?
12:45:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: On a happier note, I would like to have
12:45:11 also on the 23rd of June to ask council for commendation
12:45:17 to Dr. Yogi Goswami on his induction to the inventor Hall of
12:45:23 Fame in the State of Florida, and have him come here in
12:45:26 chambers to receive that commendation.
12:45:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.
12:45:30 Second from Mr. Maniscalco.
12:45:32 All in favor of that motion?
12:45:34 Any opposed?
12:45:35 Anything else, ma'am?
12:45:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Public service announcement.
12:45:38 This Friday, the innovation alliance will be hosting a
12:45:44 hack-A-thon as part of the national day of hacking, and this
12:45:48 time the purpose of this is called Gimme Shelter.
12:45:54 The teams will be working on technology improvements to help
12:45:59 the homeless, and it's something that as everyone knows, we
12:46:04 have a lot of improvements to be done in the area of helping
12:46:09 our homeless.
12:46:09 So I think they will come up with some pretty great
12:46:14 strategies for us to use, Friday at Crossover Church, the
12:46:19 kickoff I believe at 5 p.m., the Crossover Church on Fowler
12:46:21 Avenue just east of I-275.
12:46:25 And I would also ask the last thing is, I would like to ask
12:46:32 the clerk -- we have an agenda item.
12:46:33 It was agenda item number 65 today.
12:46:36 And the subject, how the agenda item was titled is not
12:46:41 really what the discussion which is taken place.
12:46:47 So I would ask that the subject of that item, because it has
12:46:52 been continuously, be changed to read that this is
12:46:58 concerning the changing the term "good faith effort" in the
12:47:03 minority business language.
12:47:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I apologize but I have a proposal question.
12:47:11 If the maker of the motion is not here concerning what the
12:47:14 thought process was, if you want to just add that on for
12:47:18 presentation, I think that would probably be more
12:47:20 appropriate.
12:47:22 The clerk is the one that goes through what we have done in
12:47:26 terms of our motion.
12:47:29 And I would like so guidance on that but I think that would
12:47:31 probably be more proper, Mr. Shelby, if she just wanted to
12:47:36 include that as part of the what the present would be,
12:47:39 that's probably more proper, don't you think?
12:47:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Well, council, frankly, it would be
12:47:47 problem but I understand protocol would be to hold it in
12:47:51 deference to the maker of the motion.
12:47:53 And I really can't speak to the merits.
12:47:57 But what you are saying, Mr. Chairman, with the maker of the
12:48:01 motion not being presented you have reservation about
12:48:03 changing the wording the way it appears on the agenda.
12:48:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Correct.
12:48:07 And that's the only thing.
12:48:09 I understand where you are going with this.
12:48:10 But I think that it doesn't necessarily -- I'm not sure how
12:48:15 we would change it because the clerk is the purveyor of that
12:48:19 information.
12:48:20 If there was a problem with the motion, and it was unclear,
12:48:23 I think the maker of the motion would be the person that
12:48:25 would have actually clarified that with the clerk.
12:48:28 That's just what I thought.
12:48:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: As a matter of fact there are some issues
12:48:35 I was going to bring up to you private reply with a special
12:48:37 called section because the wording of some of those -- the
12:48:44 staff relies on what is here.
12:48:45 If it's not necessarily clear to the staff, then sometimes
12:48:50 you have issues.
12:48:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Right.
12:48:54 I understand where you are going with it, Mrs. Montelione,
12:48:56 but I don't know how we do that procedurally because I am
12:48:59 not sure I would be comfortable with entertaining a motion
12:49:01 to change or to add.
12:49:03 I think that we probably would ask the maker of the motion
12:49:07 clarify with staff to make sure they come back.
12:49:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.
12:49:11 And if you indulge me for a second, I think that oftentimes
12:49:14 the subject of the agenda item is captioned out of the full
12:49:22 discussion and doesn't reflect sometimes what the core issue
12:49:28 is.
12:49:29 You know, the county does it very, very differently.
12:49:32 And there's a lot of times where we continue items, and we
12:49:37 continue items, and we continue items, and the item we end
12:49:39 up discussing in the end is -- has morphed and isn't the
12:49:44 item that we initially discussed.
12:49:47 So I think as --
12:49:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I don't disagree with your sentiment.
12:49:53 I don't disagree with the sentiment.
12:49:55 I'm talking about procedurally.
12:49:56 So -- I will send an e-mail to staff and to Mr. Reddick
12:50:04 concerning that to make sure that it's clear as to what
12:50:07 that --
12:50:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Not just this item.
12:50:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Well, in the future too,.
12:50:11 I think that's something we can work with the clerk.
12:50:13 Absolutely.
12:50:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
12:50:14 I appreciate that.
12:50:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Absolutely, I agree with that.
12:50:18 That has happened to me in the past.
12:50:20 I understand.
12:50:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Can I get a motion to receive and file all
12:50:24 documents?
12:50:25 Motion by Mr. Maniscalco. Second by Mrs. Montelione.
12:50:28 All in favor of that motion? Any opposed?
12:50:31 Anyone in the public that would like to speak at this time
12:50:32 before City Council?
12:50:34 I see no one.
12:50:35 We are adjourned.
12:50:40 (City Council meeting adjourned.)
12:51:37
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