Tampa City Council

Community Redevelopment Agency

Thursday, June 9, 2016

9:00 a.m.

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[Sounding gavel]

09:07:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I call this meeting to order.

We'll start with the invocation and pledge of

allegiance.

Harry Cohen, please.

09:07:38 >>HARRY COHEN:
Good morning.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

We are very happy to have father Lenisky, a

graduate of Jesuit high school right here in

Tampa.

He was ordained priest of the Diocese in

St. Petersburg in 1991, and since January 2011 has

been assigned to Christ the King vicar, effective




June 2012.

Councilman Suarez mentioned to me that many years

ago he once dressed as Mr. Spock, and I think it

was a very popular and memorable occasion.

Please stand for the invocation and remain

standing for the pledge of allegiance.

09:08:23 >> Let us bow our heads in prayer.

Almighty God, send down your blessings upon our

beloved City of Tampa, for the members of the City

Council, for our community development.

Fill them with wisdom and justice as they seek to

serve our community.

May they never be motivated by personal gain but

for the common good.

Lord, we thank you for the generous public

service.

May they and their families always be blessed with

goodness and peace.

We all these things in your holy name.

en.

[ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:09:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Roll call.

09:09:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Here.

09:09:25 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Here.

09:09:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Here.




09:09:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Here.

09:09:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Here.

09:09:31 >>HARRY COHEN:
Here.

09:09:34 >> Let's get this show on the road.

First I have a memo from Councilman Miranda who

will be out this morning due to personal

situation.

So he will not be here today.

Or this morning.

We start with the monthly report from Ann Kulig.

Ann, hi.

Welcome.

09:10:00 >> You are in a different realm today.

Thanks for having me here today.

We are here to talk about the park.

Michael Martinez is actually the chair.

He is out of town today.

I just want to say it's been great to see what's

happened at Drew Park.

I was involved with the Drew Park CRA before there

was a Drew Park CRA and sat through the community

meetings.

So it's great to see how the CRA really helped

with Drew Park.

Just a few of the things that are happening.




Gateway markers, you will be seeing next month.

There's an agreement with the City of Tampa for

gateway markers on many of those streets.

They are also putting in historical markers that's

been arranged and ready to go probably within the

next couple of months.

You will be invited out there for the dedication.

You will hear a little bit more, so I won't really

cover it today, about the number of facade grant

improvements that going on at Drew Park.

That's been a very successful program, enhancing

properties and a way to leverage private dollars.

We thank TPD and the neighborhood enhancement

division to fix a problem with auto transport

vehicles, big tractor trailers driving along,

parking on crest illegally.

Took them a long time to get them removed but TPD

and neighborhood enhancement has taken care of

that which has been a great thing for businesses

and people and real estate in Drew Park.

Probably the biggest benefit obviously as a CRA is

the private investment.

The gallery shopping center Hillsborough has been

acquired, and they have done a number of

enhancements.




Their new landscaping.

They are remarketing that property.

Planning to open a recycling facility, their

recycling facility.

A restaurant opened in Drew Park.

A J. crest near Steinbrenner field.

And skyline cafe opened where the coffee cup used

to be with Walls.

And a vacant parcel for a number of years.

Please note that the deed includes a restriction

about uses in Drew Park which is a good thing.

And probably finally, and importantly, we just

reviewed the preliminary budget for Drew Park for

2017, and we have seen about a 30% increase over

last year and the revenue for the CRA.

So that's a great thing for Drew Park.

I'll be happy to answer any questions.

Happy to serve.

Thanks so much.

09:12:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you very much.

09:13:12 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Just an update on some activity

going on.

There are many outlined in the report.

There are a couple of things that I wanted to

bring to your attention, people outside.




This Saturday on the 11th we have a couple of

grand openings in downtown.

The Cass Street bicycle path will be opened, and

we are going to have a special function that will

start at Perry Harvey park at 10:00 in the

morning.

And people will then go along the Cass Street

bicycle to be opening the final segment of

Riverwalk, and should be a lot of fun.

I think you will be very impressed with did public

art and streetscape that went along with the

Riverwalk.

And we have a scavenger Hunt, and the winner

actually wins a staycation in downtown with hotel

and restaurant.

So it should be a lot of fun.

Also downtown coming up shortly on the 19th is

the third annual Richards Father's Day walk-run.

And that's been very well received in the past.

That will start and end at Ulele Waterworks Park.

There's a number of things going on this weekend

for Father's Day.

There's free admission for dad at the aquarium,

the art museum, the Glazers children but cement

and history museum.




Raiders of the lost arc is playing at the Tampa

Theatre as part of the summer series.

And at the Straz you have the KIT-KAT club.

On a sad note at least for me the last of

utilities was turned off this week at the Tribune

building which allows their folks to get a

demolition permit.

Progress, I guess, but for someone that grew up

reading the newspaper every day, it's a sign of

the changing times.

So we should see -- they will be going into

building permits this month but we will see the

beginning of a demolition of that property.

The first step is removing which will take several

weeks and demolition of the building.

Next time I will have some renderings.

The final ones are not ready yet.

But it's an exciting project.

They brought in architect Tonico which is an

internationally famous architect.

If you remember at the beginning of Miami Vice

where they had a building with a hole in the

middle of it.

It's a husband and wife architect team from Brazil

and they are the ones that designed that building.




So it will be a change to streetscaping and

riverscape.

09:15:37 >> Would you name the group again for the public?

The developer?

09:15:43 >> It's a related company out of Miami.

And they own a building right now on Harbor

Island.

If anybody has been through that park there's a

lot of public art that they personally donated.

They have been a good developer in our community.

Questions?

09:16:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.

Bob, the grant being pursued by the port, what

does one Don with the tiger grant?

What specific project are they looking at?

09:16:17 >> Linear has the opportunity to see the project

that it's proposing in the Channel District along

Channelside Drive.

And a lot of that would be for public

infrastructure.

And a portion of it would be the rebuilding of

Channelside Drive, straightening out of the street

in addition to some public streets, an intermodal

center which would be adjacent to the Florida

Aquarium.




They are going after $32 million.

And won't know till later this summer exactly how

much.

And the scope and scale will be determined.

And we will be coming back to the CRA board to

talk about exactly what it is that we would be

contributing to and what we would be experiencing

and gaining by it.

But probably -- many of these things were on our

strategic action plan.

Probably the most visible is the rebuilding and

improvements to Channelside Drive.

Again, that entire community has changed in its

experiencer appearance, and Channelside Drive

still works a lot like did it in the industrial

area.

So this is an opportunity to add wider sidewalks,

to do a bike Lane, add landscaping, again because

it is one of the entrance does our city.

09:17:32 >> And the tiger grant is not predicated on any

decisions concerning some of the ideas that they

have at their vision plan, correct?

09:17:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Well, in their application to

the Department of Transportation, they do have

part of their plan, which is -- again, they have




to be transportation oriented.

So yes, the intermodal center are all part and

parcel of that.

09:17:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Obviously their plan includes some

trading of land, other things, part of what they

had proposed in the past.

So it's a separate issue as opposed to some of the

other things.

But it's a lot of money and first of all it don't

think you can get a tiger grant for $13 million.

It's going to be a really hard climb for them.

But I was just curious as to how this came to the

rest of the vision plan because obviously we still

need some, you know, some role in it not only as

CRA but as City Council and the city itself.

09:18:37 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Absolutely.

And again, if you recall, part of that land swap

would be a large public park, and doing something

with the Florida Aquarium, with the parking lot.

So, yes, City Council and the CRA board will be

intimately involved in any plan to move forward

with that.

And actually I was surprised.

I thought the question you were going to ask

ericas you would --




09:19:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I was going to make a comment.

Did you cry as much when the Tampa Times went out

of business in the mid 80s?

Thank you, Bob.

I appreciate it.

09:19:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

Anyone else?

Bob, I like your pun, it's a sign of the time.

It's a sign of the times.

I want to comment on the Channelside real quick.

I remember with the presentation that came here,

we were presented with their master plan, what was

it, last year, about a year ago or so?

And one of the things that I mentioned which you

said, Channelside Drive is where I think the City

of Tampa or the CRA dollars would be very well

spent, because that drive, as you said, has been

pretty much the same since the aquarium pretty

much.

Other than the wonderful sculpture and the

roundabout, which is nice. Anyway, thank you for

that.

And we'll move on.

Before we move on to number 3, I want to mention

that we have -- I requested to remove item -- to




continue item 11 to August 11 CRA meeting, and

with that I would like to say that the memorandum

that Mr. Territo sent out, I don't remember us

here taking a vote or even a discussion for anyone

to move forward on any part of this with Ybor.

And that's something we should discuss, and that's

why I brought it up, because it needed to be --

the only time we can really talk about it is in

public.

And this is a public forum.

So we'll talk about it in August.

09:21:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Let me correct you about that.

09:21:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
All right.

09:21:12 >>FRANK REDDICK:
We took a vote, for Mr. Territo

to send a letter to the attorney general for an

opinion.

09:21:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
That hasn't been done.

What I was referring to be we took that vote but

we never took a vote for Mr. Territo to move

forward and present anything to Ybor that we

talked about.

So that step being taken that we have not

approved.

09:21:39 >>FRANK REDDICK:
The reason why is because we

were waiting on a response from the attorney




general.

The letter was sent.

And there have been all kinds of reasons why it

was sent.

But I agree with you, about -- or hope he is --

09:22:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Well, July.

09:22:07 >> [Off microphone.] July.

09:22:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
June I am not going to be here.

July 21st I will be here.

If you prefer we can move it to July 21st if

you prefer.

09:22:26 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I make that motion that we

request item number 11, I guess.

09:22:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
To the July 21st CRA meeting.

We have a motion by Councilman Reddick.

Second by Councilman Cohen.

All in favor?

Okay.

Opposed?

Moved to July 21.

21.

Okay.

So now just in reference with your query about the

letter -- to the attorney general, yes, that is

what we voted on.




We did not vote on presenting anything else to

anyone anywhere. And that's my point.

So we go on.

Okay.

Thank you.

We go to item number 37.

Have been we have a presentation.

Are you Debby?

What's the last name?

09:23:25 >> Hunt.

All right.

09:23:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
You have a Power Point

presentation.

Excuse me, it was your motion.

If you would like.

I apologize.

All right, very good.

09:23:50 >> I see it there but I don't see it here.

Good morning.

Chairman, thank you very much for having us here

today.

Happy to address the questions that your CRA has

about the Tampa Bay Express.

I can go over it briefly or cover it in detail.

09:24:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.




09:24:30 >> Would you please give your name?

09:24:32 >> Yes, sir.

Debby Hunt with the Florida Department of

Transportation I organized our content to directly

reflect the CRA's request for more information.

I will cover the virtual and physical changes, the

anticipated employment, and the land use and

comprehensive plan, as well as community

enhancements that we as an agency are committed to

building as part of the Tampa Bay Express.

Social and physical changes in the neighborhood

You have the neighborhood -- just a minute.

Let me go back one.

There are more than 20 neighborhoods that are

adjacent to I-275 and I-4 throughout not only the

downtown area but also through the Westshore

business district.

In many sections, no right-of-way is necessary for

the project.

However, both the interchange in Westshore and

downtown requires additional right-of-way.

The next few slides focus on the social and

physical changes in each of the different

neighborhoods that are in this area.

Seminole Heights, there's a number of different




areas for Seminole Heights.

You have Tampa Heights.

You have West River.

You have Ybor.

And you have downtown.

The largest area for the Seminole Heights is Old

Seminole Heights.

And Old Seminole Heights --

09:26:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Wait one second.

Why do you call it West River, when the Heights is

the Heights, Ybor is Ybor?

That's West Tampa.

And it's just something that has started, and if

we don't correct it it will turn into West River,

and it is West Tampa.

The Heights, Ybor, everything else was liked

correctly.

And I apologize for interrupting.

But we got quite a few of us up here.

Okay.

Thank you.

09:26:38 >> Debby Hunt:
I am very sorry.

Specifically in this case the Old Seminole Heights

area, for some of the information.

The first chart shows the changes in population




since 1990.

This would be total population.

The next graph shows the overall household, number

of household in the area and the changes there.

And this is according to the U.S. census bureau.

This is information that we use for evaluating

different areas.

This also shows what the racial composition is of

the area.

And I am going to point out the numbers are not

going to --

09:27:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Let me stop you again.

Hispanic is not a race.

09:27:28 >> I know.

I am going to explain that it.

09:27:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.

You know, you are a government entity.

And if anybody should know, you should know.

So, okay, go.

I'm sorry.

09:27:39 >> That's okay.

We are working with the information that we

usually use.

And the numbers are not going to add up to 100

because there are five races that are officially




identified by the office -- U.S. office of budget

and management.

White, black or African-American, American Indian

or Alaskan native, Asian, native Hawaiian or other

Pacific Islander.

Those who identify that they are Hispanic, because

that is an option for them to use when they fill

out the information for the U.S. census.

It's one of the five races --

09:28:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
An option for ethnicity because I

filled it out.

It's not an option for race.

09:28:30 >> Okay.

The ethnic data does not add up because one of the

things that has been so important in this

discussion -- and my terminology, I apologize for,

but we hear it regularly when we are out in

conversations, that that does come up.

We also have some of the key economic information:

Median income, percentages of property, the median

income is up here as well as the number of high

school graduates.

Old Seminole Heights has become a hot spot for

urban living.

Younger professionals and families are moving into




the area to enjoy the historic homes, community

enities and a variety of restaurants and

breweries.

Tampa Heights, the same information is provided,

with the families, the race and economic

information, the doubling of the median impact as

well as the high percentage of the high school

graduates which is up significant from prior

years.

Tampa Heights also enjoys redevelopment investment

in the community.

As one of the oldest neighborhoods in the city

limits, than the restaurants, small businesses,

community amenities such takes Waterworks Park,

the extension of the river works, is making the

community a popular place to live, work and play.

It should also be noted that there's a high

percentage of investors in this area.

As we move into the West Tampa area -- I chant

change the slide but I can change my words -- as

we move into the West Tampa area, I have also

provided that same information so that you can

review it.

It also reflects the West Riverfront neighborhood.

It includes these changes -- did I say that wrong?




-- changes in population since the 1990s.

There's significant diversity for those who live

in and around the area.

And in this area of look and median income has

doubled.

In the West Tampa, capitalize on the community's

location, history, the redevelopment potential, to

revitalize these neighborhoods and to accommodate

the broadness of incomes and commercial uses.

With the schools and proximity to University of

Tampa West River has also become an education

district.

Redevelopment plans for the three parks and public

housing projects also help transform these

neighborhoods.

As we selected VM Ybor, or the multiple Ybor

areas.

Ybor just east and north of downtown on the north

and south sides of I 47, including Ybor Heights,

VM Ybor, historic Ybor, and east historic Ybor.

The socioeconomic data reflects VM Ybor

neighborhood, increases in the population, the

household, as well as the diversity.

There hasn't been a lot of change in diversity in

this particular area.




Again there's been a doubling of the median income

and a significant increase in the high school

graduates.

The Ybor community provides a commercial land

uses.

Many of the historic homes that were purchased

relocated and then sold to create the revolving

loan program are now thriving businesses.

In the downtown area, downtown is comprised of the

two neighborhoods, the downtown river arts

district, also called the uptown council and the

Tampa Downtown Partnership.

This reflects the river arts district with the

changes in population, households, as well as the

diversity.

Significant efforts, diversity changes, as well as

significant median income changes.

Downtown has made significant strides to enhance

the livability and the vibrancy of downtown with

the addition of the new mixed use high-rises, the

Riverwalk, great parks, and the department

continues to focus with the City of Tampa on

complete street projects like Nebraska Avenue as

well as 21st and 22nd.

Let's talk about the growth that's anticipated in




the future.

And the long-range transportation plan with

matching 2040, the Metropolitan Planning

Organization.

According to the City of Tampa's comprehensive

plan, Hillsborough will have 600 residents by

2040.

70,000 of those residents will be -- will reside

in the urban core.

The remaining 500,000 will be somewhere else

through Hillsborough County and other

municipalities.

When we talk about the unemployment growth that is

expected out to 2040, 400,000 new jobs are

expected.

80,000 of those are expected in the downtown Tampa

area or the urban core.

30,000 will be in Westshore.

30,000 will be in the USF area.

And the remaining the 250,000 will be in

Hillsborough County.

The Imagine 2040 plan which was a vision for

growth had three growth scenarios.

The first scenario was the suburban dream.

The second was the bustling metro.




The third was the new corporate centers.

When people were polled they really wanted a

combination of all three because in-fill in

Hillsborough County, you do have to address each

in this area. The hybrid growth scenario that

came about the preferred option reflects all three

of these, and the long-range transportation plan

suggests that you need a variety of solutions.

It did show that the Tampa Bay Express, the

interstate system, was necessary for improvements

to support the growth of the population and

employment growth in Hillsborough County.

It also showed that premium transit and the

corridor that supports that was equally important.

The third topic which you asked us to address is

land use and comprehensive plan.

In a recent memo, the Planning Commission

acknowledged the transportation improvement plan's

consistency with the comprehensive plan as well as

the long-range transportation plan.

We have a workshop with your staff earlier -- we

had a workshop with your staff earlier this week

and will continue to coordinate with the MPO and

Planning Commission to ensure that the Tampa Bay

Express stays consistent with these plans.




The Imagine 2040 comprehensive plan.

There are numerous elements of this plan that the

Tampa Bay Express directly supports.

We highlight add few goals, objectives and

policies on the next few slides.

First the land use and governance.

From a land use perspective the Tampa Bay Express

will reestablish connections between neighborhoods

and activity centers.

It improves connections to the river through the

Tampa Heights greenway.

It preserves the multimodal centers both in

downtown as well as in Westshore.

And it preserve it is transit corridor on the

interstate that will go from Pinellas County to

Orlando.

In terms of governance, will continue to

coordinate with the local agencies to improve the

multimodal connection that maximize the benefits

of the express lanes and increase the trip

reliability for people to get wherever they are

going in Hillsborough County as well as in the

region.

And especially Tampa Bay and Tampa International.

With respect to the neighborhood community plan




and the recreational open spaces, the Tampa Bay

Express supports the neighborhoods by improving

the streetscape, the landscape, safety under the

interchanges, bike lanes and sidewalks at

interstate overpasses as well as along the

greenway.

Tampa Bay Express will connect parks and

recreation facilities, and extend the greenway

network through the Tampa Heights community to the

Riverwalk and from downtown to Westshore,

ultimately connecting to the Courtney Campbell

cause way which connects to the Pinellas trail.

The department is focused on ensuring that these

connections continue to be built and connect the

whole region for the trail system.

We also focused on infrastructure, mobility and

coastal management.

Tampa Bay Express supports multimodal

opportunities in a number of ways.

We purchased the downtown intermodal terminal back

in the early 20,000s, and as of November this

past year.

We continuously to put bicycle-pedestrian features

in and around the community, and will increase

them as part of TBX underneath all of the




overpasses that are affected.

Express buses will continue -- will be able to

travel in the express lanes at no charge.

And the premium transit envelope that I mentioned

from Pinellas to Orlando.

TBX will also help during times of evacuation or

other types of natural disasters.

We know how important InVision Tampa is to the

city.

This is a diagram that comes straight from the

plan.

And what we did was we overlaid the interstate

proposal, and it shows that part of the plan and

the focus of InVision was to disperse the traffic

over a number of streets instead of just focusing

on one or two for the ingress and egress into the

city.

One of our current concepts shows that we are

disbursing the traffic over a number of streets

instead of just --

Does it remove the traffic from Ashley?

No, it does not.

Ashley is and will always, we believe, be a major

connector in the downtown area. We also use a

system of roundabouts that we are still evaluating




to ensure that they are viable to help with that

distribution.

Avoid the recently built Waterworks Park, Ulele,

as well as the Harvey Perry park.

Tampa Bay Express is situated among numerous

CRAs.

We have been reaching out to the CRA managers to

ensure that our plans are consistent with each of

their vision plans.

I am going to speak specifically to the Tampa

Heights community plan, for example.

They have numerous objectives, including

connections, east-west and north-south which will

be incorporated into the final TBX plan, as well

as enhancing the greenway that we committed to for

many years.

The Seminole Heights vision plan, we have also

reviewed, and many of the guiding principles such

as community circulation, connectivity, historic

preservation we are addressing with lighting,

improvements under overpasses, in and around the

interstate.

Other community enhancements that are also part of

your request is that we have been working, as you

know, through a charrette process. This first




slide shows the study and the numerous commitments

we made as a result of the public outreach and

agency coordination back when that study wags

originally done.

Our project commitment are promises that we keep

to the local community as we go through the

process it we made major process over the years.

I am going to backtrack to this slide for a

second.

One of the major commitments we made, and part of

the original Tampa interstate study, was the

Selmon connector.

And when we built the Selmon connector, it was in

working directly with the City of Tampa so that

when the Selmon connector was built to tab the

truck traffic out of Ybor, the department would go

back and we would redo 21st and 22nd street

through Ybor so that once that construction is

completed we can then turn the streets over to the

City of Tampa and truck traffic will be restricted

from those facilities unless it's for local

vendors.

That has been very well received by Ybor and a

number of improvements have been made as a result

of those projects.




Our partnership with USF in the design charrette

process in working with the communities around the

downtown interchange to be in the existing

community visions today

Information that has occurred was just rolled out

Tuesday evening.

We will be providing you all with a copy of that

presentation so that you know what was rolled out

publicly as a result of those charrettes.

We are working with your staff as well as with the

Hart staff over the next few months to define what

we are able to build as a part of that and what we

can mutually commit to where opportunities for

partnership.

What came out of those charrettes was a focus on

connectivity, corridor design, public realm

enhancement, transit option, as well as mitigation

first.

We are evaluating the options.

And this is an example of an overpassing that we

would be taking a look at so that we can -- the

first quarterback was made that you see the sloped

wall on the top picture and then you see the

vertical walls in the picture below.

By changing the walls, it creates a more open




space, allows for additional bicycle-pedestrian

enities, it allows for the potential of there

being a bus stop underneath the overpass so that

there's shelter from the elements.

There also would be lighting.

It didn't show up in the daytime picture but there

would also be lighting so there he would be

additional sense of security and safety when folks

are walking or biking underneath in the evening

time.

another discussion we have been having is a

connection with Robles park.

You have done tremendous improvements around the

Robles park area.

In this area, we have agreed that we will elevate

the interstate, so instead of it being -- it will

be open so that there will be a connection under

the interstate, and connecting over to the

department's retention pond that was proposed on

the other side, on the east side of the

interstate.

It also connects directly to Borrell park which is

on the east side of the Internet so it gives more

connection to the neighborhood through a park

system with trails.




We are working with the communities to determine

what that ultimately looks like.

The department is also giving space to the

community gardens in the Tampa Heights area.

We are looking for at least one space where there

could be potential two or throw other spaces

depending on right-of-way availability along the

greenway.

So that it's easily accessible by those using it.

One of the major discussions through the charrette

process is about transit and about what we can do

for transit.

As you all know, we have committed to doing this

at the regional transit feasibility study.

As a part of the maintenance of traffic efforts

during construction with the Tampa Bay Express, we

are working with Hart to improve service on five

of the corridors.

And you see the five corridors listed on the right

side of your screen.

We also would be committed to purchasing the buses

so that Hart would be even with providing service

while we have the project under construction.

The community did provide input which of these

routes would be preferred for improvements.




This is preliminarily the estimate I am seeing is

about a $10 million investment in transit.

Another issue that came up --

09:46:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Excuse me.

09:46:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The buses that you said you

would be purchasing, you would be purchasing them

and leasing them back to Hart?

So is it a capital outlay for the buses?

Or is it purchase of the existing buses that Hart

has?

09:47:07 >> This is to expand the service if they need

additional buses.

09:47:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So they would be brand knew

buses.

09:47:15 >> These would be new buses to be used throughout

the system.

09:47:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And how many did you say?

09:47:24 >> 30.

09:47:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
To follow up with that, is that

part of reaching our full potential for public

transportation in order to move forward with the

federal grant?

09:47:43 >> No, ma'am that is -- that would be something

that we are able to do as a part of our

maintenance of traffic efforts.




It would be an additional plus for Hart because

they would receive additional buses.

They would receive funds to do additional

operating and maintenance during the construction

period, and the regional feasibility study is a

separate study that Hart is moving forward with.

The department is providing technical resources

for that, as well as for MPO directors from each

of the three MPOs in the area, Hillsborough,

Pasco, Pinellas.

That process is a two-year process, that at the

end of that process, the study results will have

done all of the analysis necessary so that Hart

can submit a letter to FTA requesting to go into

their process for some sort of transit system.

The process, that process previously was called

the alternative analysis process.

It has been shortened significantly in the length

of time it takes to get into the process.

The other part that's key to the new process is

when Hart submits that letter they do not have to

have the local government commitment for operating

and maintenance.

There's about a two-year window as they start

preliminary design, and doing the environmental




studies that necessary, and they only have two

years to do it.

And in that two years, they have to then achieve

the local commitments that are operating in

maintenance of the system.

It's a 30-year commitment and it's necessary to

continue in the process after that first two

years.

09:49:35 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.

And it goes for everyone else.

So thank you very much.

09:49:41 >> You're welcome.

One of the issues that came up early in our public

involvement was an issue along Central Avenue

about the homes that were going to be removed

facing Central Avenue.

And what we did was the slides you see, or the

picture you see to the left of the off-site, that

affect add number of homes on Central Avenue.

What we have done in the picture to the right is

we are redesigning that pond, and we will be

storing some of that water under the interstate so

that the homes facing Central Avenue will remain

intact.

There's been a lot of discussion in the charrettes




about the connection between downtown and Tampa

Heights underneath the interstate.

And we see a lot of opportunity there with this

via duct, to provide for commerce, recreation, and

public art.

The next slide gives you some examples of what we

are working with Orlando, Jacksonville, and Miami

on.

We have not reached the point of a conclusion on

what is or can be incorporated underneath.

But there's been a lot of discussion, and

providing that it's a community station and a

place that people want to be.

We just recently did a tour of the Jacksonville

project.

Any of you that have been in Jacksonville recently

in the downtown area, at the Henry fuller bridge

along the river, they also have a river arts

council that has taken on the charge of the space

of underneath the bridge that connects directly to

the waterfront, and built areas where people can

do picnics and sit out.

It's not grass.

It's clearly underneath the overpass.

Grass is not going to grow.




But it's done in a way that it complements the

area and it's easy for the river and district to

maintain as well as a place where they can have

weekend festivals during the week, space for

parking on the weekends.

The parking is not in existence, and they bring in

arts festivals and just about every weekend they

have something going on.

It's a great use of space that's available.

It's also sealed in such a way that it's protected

from the elements so that whether it's rain or

shine the community can still have their festival.

We also worked with you all to submit an

application for the U.S. Department of

Transportation, every place counts, design

challenge.

So it will help with this area as well as the

river park area.

I provided this slide just because right-of-way

acquisitions, after discussions during your last

meeting, and we can answer questions as you need

to.

There are many opportunities -- sorry.

These are the different ways with our right-of-way

acquisition process that we work with the




community, when you have a major project, whether

it's on an interstate, or it's on Fowler Avenue,

or it's on 40th Street, or whatever area where

there's a major project, you are going to have

impact to homes and to businesses.

And one of the things that the Department of

Transportation as well as the state Department of

Transportation is committed to is making

relocations as easy and as the best possible that

we can.

We have many examples where people have been

moved, and we had 17 new homeowners, first-time

homeowners come out of the relocation folks in

that area.

They also received rental spaces and received fund

for their actual move.

There's many opportunities in this process to stay

involved.

We have opened an office, thanks to working with

the city, and with the old German-American

building.

So we had a person there, we also have been doing

library tours through the community.

We did have a pick-up with Seminole Heights where

the information got out in the paper and got out




on websites, but the mailers didn't get to Ybor

until a couple of days until after the actual

event.

But we did, as soon as we were aware of that what

we did is we came back, and we are doing two

additional, one was last night, and next week, so

that we can make sure that we get plenty of input

from each of the areas.

What's been great about adding the library tours

to the charrettes that we were doing is it

expanded how many people that we have been able to

reach and get input from as a part of the process.

We will be adding our tours back to the schedule

sometime beginning in September.

And look forward to more people coming out and

providing input.

By the end of the summer, we expect that we will

be able to come back and have another public

meeting related to the charrette process that says

here are the committee commitments the department

will be moving forward with and including in their

study society that it remains a commitment to the

public as we move forward.

So I would always encourage folks to stay alert

today, alive tomorrow, because safety does not




happen by accident.

Thank you.

09:55:51 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Any questions?

Councilman Reddick.

It is a lot.

09:56:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Each time I hear it, it's more

discouraging about this, primarily because just

sitting here, and this is a major transition.

It's a major overhaul of so many people, so many

neighborhoods, and let me ask you two questions.

One, when do you anticipate this whole project

starting forward?

When you start.

I know you are going to the prep part where you

are moving people, you are buying a lot of land

and all this other stuff.

But when does progress actually start?

09:56:51 >> Currently the downtown interchange is not fully

funded.

So I can't give you a date on that.

The reevaluation that we are working on currently,

we expect to complete sometime next spring and

hold the public hearings.

We have got a lot of information that we are still

gathering, that we are still doing and working on




and will be over the next 6 to 12 months as we put

together the information for the public hearing,

where we go out and say this is what the proposal

is and get the final input on that.

So we are a year from right-of-way acquisition

from an eminent domain perspective.

One of the things that we have been doing over the

past 20 years is when a property owner wants to

put their property up for sale, we have had a

number of them come to us and say we are willing

to sell our property, can you buy it?

We know we are in that footprint, and we will do

what we call the opportunity purchases, so it is

not putting people in a place where we later comb

back and somebody may or may not be aware of the

project.

09:58:06 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, you know, when I looked at

the information that you are putting on when you

first started your presentation, and when you talk

about Heights, West Tampa, Ybor City, and I looked

at the population demographic there.

Are you aware that West Tampa 60% of people there

are black?

09:58:30 >> Absolutely.

09:58:31 >> Ybor, YM Ybor, 40% of blacks.




The people are going to black and Hispanic.

When you look at downtown, 82% white.

And you are talking about -- I mean, you copy --

going through Tampa, going through Seminole

Heights, YM Ybor, and West Tampa, and I'm looking

at the percentage of people, and they are mostly

black or Hispanic.

Based on the demographic that you put up.

And, two, let me throw this out.

You have a tendency to praise what you all have

done by moving people out, and you have given

them -- you have given them a home or 90,000 or

$30,000.

But you can never ask the question when I had a

discussion with you last time, give them the

beginning funds to move, to purchase, but when you

are talking about an 80-year-old lady, and so

happy that she moved, what is that 80-year-old

lady going to do in five years when her air

conditioning break down, when she need a new roof

on her home?

She's on fixed income.

But you are not going to be that -- to pay for

that placement, you are not going to there be

there to pay for that new roof, but you don't have




no sustainability, nothing in place.

I don't know what agency -- the responsibility of

a government agency to approve and go forward on.

The guys on MPO and all this stuff, who is

responsible for approving this project to go

forward?

10:00:43 >> Debby Hunt:
This is a project that has been

approved over the last 20 years.

It's been in the long-range transportation plan,

and different parts have been in the

transportation improvement program for many years.

10:01:01 >>FRANK REDDICK:
But you haven't put one concrete

building on.

10:01:09 >> We have gone through and continue to go through

the process with the Tampa interstate study,

because when Ybor -- when I-4 was a standard --

expanded from four Lane to six Lane, that was part

of the study and evaluation, and we have done a

lot of enhancements to the community as well as

setting up a fund for renovation for historic

homes.

In setting up that fund, $5 million, it's a

revolving loan program for the homeowners to

specifically restore historic homes.

$5 million to date has been used in that program




to restore homes in historic districts.

10:01:50 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I'm fine with all of that.

And I heard all of this before.

What I am trying to get to the bottom is this.

If it's the federal transportation department who

can stop this project or if it's the MPO locally

has anything to do with stopping this project.

I'm trying to find out who can stop this project.

That's what I am trying to find out.

The Councilman who sits on MPO, you know, I have

read where the chairman came out and stated that

they are not moving forward with this.

I understand one of the members stated he would

not support this.

I just want to know whether it's going to be

stopped at the local level, MPO, or this is

something that has to be done by going through the

federal transportation secretary, and sending a

strong letter from the government authority saying

we don't want this in our city.

This is what I want to find out.

Who do we go to, to stop this?

10:03:01 >> The first would be the local Metropolitan

Planning Organization, June 22nd, looking and

adopting their transportation improvement program.




Also, we are happy to provide any comments that

are received it within our evaluation of the

project as it's moving forward.

Everything is taken into consideration.

You can also go directly to the FDOT secretary if

that is your choice.

10:03:32 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.

And that's what I need to know.

Because I think it's just a disservice to the

people who live in these communities.

And when you put that demographic up there that

the people are going to be affected by this are

Hispanic and African-Americans, we have gone

through this before.

And I was a part of that process when it came to

West Tampa, and I'm just tired.

Every time I see you want to develop something,

you want to do urban design and all of this

planning, always Hispanic or African-Americans are

affected.

And when I looked at the study the other day I'm

sitting up there, and reading in the paper,

talking about baseball stadium.

So three out of the five is directly in the

African-American Hispanic community.




Why?

We are the ones that are affected by this all the

time.

And it time for this foolishness to stop.

And I am going to do everything in my power, and

everyone I can contact, to put a stop to this

foolishness that you are presenting to us this

morning.

And that's why I have got to go to the MPO, and

it's going to be done.

And if I have to go to the United States

department secretary, and I know people in

Washington who I need to reach out to.

This has got to stop.

And the worst thing you could have done this

morning is shown me the demographics, 48% white

and Hispanic are going to be affected by this.

10:05:14 >> May I respond?

10:05:16 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I'm through it with.

Thank you, Madam Chair for putting up with me.

10:05:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

Before we go on, I have a question.

It's a 20-year plan.

And what I need to know if that plan was in place

for 20 years, when people purchased property along




this corridor that are now going to be -- taken

for the interstate, was there notice to these

people that this was part of the 20-year plan, and

that their home could be in jeopardy?

10:05:56 >> I don't know the direct yes-no answer to your

question on that.

But I do nobody that 70 to 80% of the property in

the footprint of the Tampa interstate study that

has been in place for the last 20 years are tenant

occupied.

They have been purchased, most likely investments

from what we are hearing.

We have not done the full analysis to be able to

tell you that.

But the information is and has been available,

yes, ma'am.

10:06:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
When they purchased that home,

investment or otherwise, in the closing statement,

or anytime at all, did it notify them that this

was part of a 20-year plan and could be purchased,

and would be purchased?

10:06:49 >> I'm not aware that we have the authority to do

that.

To answer your question I would have to research

that and find out, and exactly what goes on in




that part of the process.

10:07:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
My husband was a real estate

broker.

And I understand the responsibility of the real

estate brokers.

And real estate sales people, they need to notify

people of.

I don't know that a 20-year plan, you purchase a

home 20 years ago or 19 years ago, and that is

part of -- I would like to know that because I

think it's very important as to the decision

people made when they purchased these properties.

Anyway, I'm sorry.

Thank you.

10:07:43 >> I'm happy to follow up.

10:07:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I keep apologizing here.

Anyone else has a question?

10:07:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you for the very

thorough presentation.

It did answer a lot of questions and covered quite

a bit of ground, and I learned some new things dab

that I hadn't known before.

I'm interested in a couple of things.

When you said that the interchange, the I-4/275

downtown interchange is not fully funded, I have




got the spreadsheet that shows the funding broken

down by years, broken down by categories segments

of the TBX.

And the downtown interchange segment, and it shows

just a small expanse of $5,000 in fiscal '17.

It shows 7 million 825 fifty in fiscal '18.

Then nothing for the next two years.

And 58 million 7 and change in fiscal '21. So a

total of 65 million 837 when all of that is added

up together.

So when you say it's not fully funded, these

numbers are purely projections of what will be

needed in fiscal '18 and '21 would have to be

approved by the state in order to complete the

project?

10:09:40 >> Yes, ma'am. The numbers that are there, as I

have said in other presentations -- and if I

didn't say it today, I apologize.

The downtown interchange investments, the 1.2 to

1.5 billion dollars for construction.

So, no, that is not funded at this point in time

We have right-of-way dollars.

We have some design dollars the moneys in the '17

transportation program is less than 500,000 for

right-of-way acquisition which would be for the




opportunity that I suggested earlier.

10:10:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, in this right-of-way

acquisition, a second category, falls between 5

and 6 but it did not have a segment number on that

for the right-of-way acquisition.

And that was the 24.5, almost 24.6 million that

most of that was moved, the acquisition to State

Road 60 interchange.

10:10:58 >> Correct.

For the purchase of the intermodal terminal in

Westshore.

10:11:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So the 1.2 to 1.5 billion for

reconstruction of the downtown interchange is

including the 65 million that's on the

spreadsheet?

And if there's only 65, 857 thirty three dollars

total for the downtown interchange through 2021,

when is the 1.2 to 1.5 billion going to be needed?

10:11:40 >> Debby Hunt:
That will have to be programmed

prior to us moving forward with construction.

So what you see before you as you know, every year

we go through an update process of our work

program, and we take an look at revenues, and we

look at changes in revenues, and when the funding

is identified for the project, and it will show up




in the presentation that we do in the

November-December time frame to the Hillsborough,

and at that point we know that it's fully funded.

10:12:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So this spreadsheet covers a

period -- a period of five years.

10:12:22 >> It does.

10:12:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And if they are 1.2 to

1.5 billion is not allocated, approved, or

otherwise programmed, we are looking at that in

maybe year 6, year 7?

I guess what I am getting at, it seems that a lot

of the other segments have been accelerated.

The planning, the design, I repeatedly hear that

we have got the funding, that if we don't -- if we

don't move forward with it now, we are going toe

lose all this funding to another area.

To Orlando or Miami or Jacksonville or various

other parts of the state.

So to me, how are we going to lose funding if it's

not been allocated or programmed past the next

five years?

And honestly, we both know that the legislature in

'17 and '18 and '19 and '20 and '21 will have to

approve FDOT transportation budget to include all

the projections that we currently have before any




of this becomes reality.

You know, for right now, there's numbers on a

page.

So explain to me why I keep hearing that we are

going to lose this money to other areas when there

isn't actual real dollars committed now.

The only real dollars now are, you know, the

'15-16 fiscal.

We don't have '16-17 fiscal yet approved.

I'm sorry, 16.

10:14:14 >> 16 begins July 1st.

10:14:16 >> But 17-18 now.

Sorry.

I was a year behind.

10:14:18 >> Correct.

When we submit our program of projects to the

legislature -- I am kind of go around the mulberry

bush -- pull the different parts and pieces

together to help you understand our funding.

The legislature prior to the session beginning

each year is the department's five year work

program.

They are approving for budget the first year.

But they know what's in that program for five

years.




And they know.

We get asked questions on all different types of

projects throughout the session, for what's funded

in the program.

10:14:58 >> It's similar to what we do with our community

investments.

10:15:02 >> Capital improvement program, yes, ma'am.

We also during the last legislative session were

given the authority to bond funds.

Of the 3.3 billion that is necessary for the

overall project, more than half of that is already

programmed on projects, parts of the system over

the five to ten-year period.

When I say ten-year period, the department has a

ten-year program for the strategic intermodal

system.

Those are our largest projects.

And so we need to be able to project that when we

are going to do those projects.

So what has been anticipated, and the goal has

been is to bring all of the projects together so

that they are constructed somewhat at the same

time, so the system opens up as a system when

construction is completed.

So as we continue the discussion, and we work




through the process, the funding will be looked at

as part of the overall bonding ability.

There's been some discussion on what does it mean

if you bond a project.

What it means is we get the funds as a loan, or

through the bond program, and we pay them back

through the state transportation trust fund, which

is made up of state and federal gas tax dollars.

So the likelihood of us being able to pull all the

funding together to move forward at this point in

time is very strong.

The reason -- and you raised the question about

why it goes somewhere else?

Because 86 percent of the funding identified for

the TBX program, which is $3.3 billion project

that we have been talking about over the last

probably 12 months is funded through the state

strategic intermodal program, which means the

highest priority projects around the state in the

different regions are what competes for those

funds.

So if it does not support a major project in that

area then the chance for that funding to be moved

elsewhere is there and is very likely and we have

seen it in the past.




10:17:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That clarifies the statement,

but we are talking about bonded funds.

And you said which would be -- and did I hear you

correctly, partly paid by state and federal gas

tax dollars?

10:17:43 >> It would be repaid, not in part, it would be

repaid by state and federal gas tax dollars it.

10:17:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So we have a project that's

going to charge a toll in order for people to use

it, and then we have the same people who are

paying the toll paying gas tax and state and

federal -- state and federal gas tax, the same

people are going to be charged twice for adding

capacity, because there's no doubt that we need,

you know, some kind of transportation package,

which is, you know, a variety of different

approaches for the 600,000 people that going to be

moving here.

But to ask people to pay not once but twice for

something that is responsible, the way I see it,

of government is not reference for funding

infrastructure.

It's in this case something that we have talked

about different methods of funding for

transportation, but the idea that the state has




taken when former secretary Prasad was still the

secretary of FDOT, was that no capacity would be

built unless it's toll.

But he didn't say that the state and federal gas

tax funds would still be used on top of the toll

to fund that capacity.

10:19:43 >> The beauty of it is the state and federal gas

tax --

10:19:52 >> I'm sorry, I'm not sure -- sorry.

10:19:54 >> The toll revenues are used for the operating

and maintenance, and service to pay the bond.

So I understand what you are saying.

And the revenues are used for operating and

maintenance.

The revenues are used to repay the bond.

The bond is guaranteed by state transportation

trust fund.

So if need be, that's what would be used.

Otherwise, those funds are used to build other

projects.

So it's a very complex --

10:20:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm sure it is --

10:20:33 >> Scenario.

I'm happy to go over that with you.

Since there are many parts and pieces to it so




that if for some reason the revenue was not there

that the trust fund would be used.

With the revenue coming in from it, that can be

used to repay the bond.

10:20:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Councilman Suarez and I

attended the training several years ago when we

joined -- 2012, shortly after we were elected.

We learned how complex transportation funding was,

and it was a tremendous education, and I have

always recommended that anybody who sits on the

MPO go to be that training because you learn a lot

about transportation funding, and also, you know,

that PEA soup of acronyms that is so well liked in

transportation.

So that's one piece of my concern.

And the other is -- there's actually two others,

quickly.

The PB and E study has not been -- the update has

not been completed yet.

10:21:49 >> No.

10:21:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Dough we have an idea of when

that's going to be, projected? We can project

funds out for ten years K.we project when TB&E is

going to come back, the updates?

10:22:02 >> We will go to public hearing with a draft in




the spring.

10:22:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And I think Councilman Reddick

asked about, you know, dates of when this project

is going to be moving forward within a concrete

motion, a figurative term.

So if that public hearing is in the spring, how

does that align with the project timeline?

10:22:32 >> Once it goes to a public hearing and we get

public comments back, we then finalize the

reevaluation document and submit it for approval.

Once it's approved, then in the process for

that --

10:22:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I guess what I am asking is

that you are acquiring property, you are doing

plans, you are having the community meetings, and

all this while we don't have the update PD and E

done.

It won't -- and will go to public hearing like you

said in the spring of 2017.

So how much of this work that you have already

done -- how much can be done between now and 2017,

spring of 2017, nearly a year from now?

We just started summer.

-- is going to be done before we actually get that

update?




10:23:29 >> Debby Hunt:
We are still reviewing concepts of

what the final configuration will be.

We have two concepts out therein right now that we

have been use in the charrette process in the

public meetings, and all of our library tours that

people Look at and comment on.

We are still are running traffic to see if those

concepts work because what you do is you develop a

concept, and then you have to run your traffic,

model it to make sure that it works.

And then we make adjustments based on the

information that we find out.

We will be doing that between now and the spring

to come out with -- the concepts that we can take

to the public hearing next year.

10:24:20 >> So we will be continuing public could

involvement.

We will be continuing working with the community.

We will be continuing to evaluate all of the

information that we have to evaluate as a part of

the project development and environmental study

for TB&E.

So that we can pull all that information together

and say this is what the recommendation is moving

forward.




10:24:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And what about the federal

highway title?

I always get it wrong.

Title 6.

I always want to say title 5.

10:25:00 >> We haven't heard anything from the Federal

Highway Administration.

Our past experience with them on a title 6

complaint would be that we have to submit

something to them so they have something to

respond to.

10:25:14 >> The last word that we had was a letter saying

that they had accepted the request for the review

by the community.

10:25:25 >> Generally, nothing is reviewed until we submit

something that gives them something to review so

they can determine whether we followed the process

or we didn't.

10:25:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So there's an action item to

follow up with federal highway to find out what it

is they need from you, and what the timeline is

for them to review that.

And I think other than getting assurances that all

the community input that you have received so far,

you know, there's not a way for us to get that in




writing, but that concludes my questions for now.

Thank you, Ms. Hunt.

10:26:10 >> Councilman Cohen.

10:26:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I'll go next that's okay.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for being here and thanks for the

presentation.

I have a couple of questions.

And I apologize.

Are you an engineer?

10:26:33 >> No, sir.

10:26:33 >> You are not an engineer.

There are a few at FDOT that not engineers.

10:26:38 >> That's correct.

10:26:38 >> So you are not trained in what those guys do,

or ladies.

Those people.

Excuse me.

We are from Tampa.

We say guys all the time.

It's not a big deal.

I have a few questions.

First of all, what's the shelf life of a typical

highway, when you put down the concrete, how long

is it supposed to last?




Because I know you are continuing maintenance and

so on.

But typically it's a 20-year period, is it --

because obviously you are repaying bonds.

And that's usually based on lots of factors

including what the cost is going to be of putting

down those roads.

So major repairs, minor repairs and so on.

But there's a cost associated with, and they

always look at, this is what we think is going to

last.

We think it's going to last 20 years, 25 years.

What's the sense of FDOT?

How long do some of these things last?

10:27:36 >> Depending on the type of project.

If you looked at for example the Howard Frankland

bridging.

Let's talk about are this project.

What are we thinking about in terms of that?

10:27:44 >> The downtown interchange would have a shelf --

if it's built to full configuration, not interim

that was built a few years ago, if you build to

the full configuration, that should have a shelf

life of somewhere close to 50 years.

10:28:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
50 years.




And that includes all the major-minor

modifications to be done during the course of it?

10:28:06 >> correct.

10:28:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
If you go to be Chicago and Dan

Ryan, it looks like they are always fixing it.

They have a locality more environmental conditions

that we don't have. I was curious.

50 years is kind of like the top end shelf life.

And the reason I am asking is because obviously

this decision both in terms of the time frame how

long is it supposed to last, and the cost.

It's a huge cost because you are not only getting

money from the trust fund and from other sources,

but you are also leveraging it and going to the

bond markets in order to get more money, which

makes it even more expensive.

That's just the way we do bid projects.

I understand that.

I was just curious about that because when you are

looking at that much money, there's a lot of

questions about how we are supposed to spend it.

Now, one of the things I was curious about, I saw

the current TBX concept plan, this one, and it

looks like and some of the discussion was about

making sure that we get a better traffic flow as




opposed to it being mostly an ancillary Tampa

Street which is kind of the main exit when you

come off the interstate when you are going into

downtown Tampa.

With the TBX, does it look at more than one

interchange?

Because I'm looking at this H.it doesn't look like

there's other places to get off of the express

other than what we currently have.

And I just want to confirm that because I am

looking at the map.

And that's what it looks like to me.

I'm not sure. I just want to get your answer on

that.

10:29:54 >> Debby Hunt:
In the downtown area you are going

to have access from the general purpose lanes, and

from your express lanes.

Because the downtown is a major activity center.

The express lanes throughout the rest of the

system have a limited number of access points,

because the intention is for your through

movements where you are going to or from one of

the major activity centers.

So in downtown --

10:30:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
My question is, you know, on the




general purpose lanes, are we going to keep the

same exits that we currently have, or is that

going to exchange and then I have a follow-up

question after that.

That's my first question, in terms of, you know,

general access, because based on what you put in

the concept and what you mentioned which is trying

to get more areas for people to not congregate off

of one or two streets because it causes traffic

jams, and because it becomes a problem with people

coming into work or leaving work and so on.

So I am just curious as to what the concept is

actually saying in terms of the be interchanges in

downtown Tampa.

10:30:57 >> Your ramps will not change significantly.

But your ability to use different roads will

change.

And that's what we are trying to accomplish.

I think the main one I would use -- and I'm

looking --

10:31:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's why I asked if you were an

engineer.

You may not be able to answer.

10:31:20 >> The access, the ramp will come in, but it won't

just feed into Ashley.




It will feed so that it feathers the traffic to

the different north-south roadways.

10:31:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And that's kind of what I was

asking.

It looks like based on what you have here in the

design, or the graphic that you gave us, that it's

going to peel off onto whether it's Franklin or

Florida or New Tampa going north or south, Marion

street is one of them, and that's what you are

saying, on general purpose Lane you are going to

be able to get off on each one of them?

10:31:56 >> Correct.

10:31:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I wanted to confirm that.

I was looking at it but I wasn't sure about it.

In terms of the number of access points onto the

interstate, onto the TBX, the express and off the

express, how many do you have along the way from,

let's say, downtown Tampa all the way up to Bearss

Avenue?

How many do you have on the concept?

10:32:24 >> There are two.

In between Busch and Fowler.

And --

10:32:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Excuse me.

So it would be a new entranceway onto that?




10:32:36 >> No.

The lanes will drop and people will have enough

room to get over to the Fowler access.

10:32:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
So coming along the interstate and

then popping up somewhere between those two

streets?

10:32:49 >> No.

10:32:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Explain to the me because I am a

little bit confused.

When you say between, you said between Busch and

Fowler, right?

10:32:59 >> Yes, sir.

10:33:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
You said between.

What does that mean? I'm not sure.

10:33:03 >> If you are in the northbound Lane, you will be

traveling north.

When you pass Busch, the Lane will end, and you

will merge into the I-275 traffic to get off at

the Fowler Avenue exit.

Continuing north.

10:33:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That would be your entrance point

whether you are taking TBX north or south, right?

10:33:27 >> Yes, sir.

10:33:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's the furthest north there

would be along 275.




10:33:32 >> Yes, on this project.

So the master plan shows a whole interchange but

that's not included at this point in time.

10:33:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And then where would be the

next -- where would be the second one?

10:33:44 >> The second one would be in the Martin Luther

King area.

And we are still determining exactly how that's

going to work.

The general concept for where it would be located.

Not 100% sure on the details.

10:33:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And then after MLK, where else

would there be before you get to, let's say, the

bridge?

10:34:04 >> The Howard Frankland bridge?

10:34:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Yes.

10:34:07 >> In the downtown area.

10:34:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
One downtown.

10:34:09 >> And then one in the Westshore area.

And then once you gong through the Westshore area,

the two lanes, there's two lanes in each direction

between downtown and Westshore.

When you are heading westbound, as you get into

the Westshore area, you will have a Lane that goes

straight, that continues over the bridge.




And you will have a Lane that goes north that will

give you direct access to Tampa International, or

give you direct access to the veterans expressway.

10:34:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
So essentially there is four entry

points onto TBX within the City of Tampa, it

sounds like.

10:34:45 >> I'm just making sure there's not one that I

missed.

10:34:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Don't worry about those.

Within the city limits it sound like.

10:34:59 >> Yes, sir.

Because Bearss Avenue is not in our jurisdiction.

And that's why when you say there might be another

interchange.

And we are going to have an intermodal center and

purchase the land in the Westshore area.

You mention add second intermodal.

Is that the one purchased in downtown Tampa for

the high-speed rail?

10:35:19 >> It was purchased for high-speed rail but it's

always been intended to be an intermodal center.

Both sites.

10:35:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
It's the old orient jail site.

Thank you.

What do you know about being in jail?




(Laughter)

And that's why I wanted to make sure.

You have two intermodal centers.

One will be in the Westshore area.

One Morgan street.

So one that we purchased and one that we already

own.

We, FDOT.

So I'm trying to get to some of my questions in my

head based on some of your answers already, which

is I received your letter that you wrote me

concerning some of the uses for transit when it

comes to TBX.

And I have a couple of questions about the letter.

It's a letter that was dated May 26th.

And you mentioned the public buses could use the

express Lanes for free.

Butt what you put on there is that's a policy

that's already in place.

Correct?

10:36:21 >> Yes, sir.

10:36:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
So if, for example, this project

does go forward, regardless of something that's

going to happen at MPO, something may happen at

USDOT, something may happen in legislature in




terms of money, whatever the process is, you would

have to enter into a memorandum of understanding

with Hart in order to make that access free of

charge to everyone?

And then I have a follow-up question to that if

you can answer that first.

10:36:53 >> Debby Hunt:
I am not sure what the process is,

how that would work.

10:37:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
It looks like there's a policy in

place that allows it.

Allowing it and actually getting it done are two

separate things.

And that's why I appreciate the information, but

it doesn't really give me any comfort that it's

actually being done because there's so many other

details that need to be worked out.

The second thing -- and this is part of your

letter to me, and it said the requirement for the

toll-free use is to have a sun pass sticker tag on

each of the buses.

Now, typically -- and I don't nobody if you do

this in any other part of Florida in terms of

allowing free access to transit system.

Would that mean that FDOT would just, you know,

not charge for that bus if you have access to the




tollway?

10:37:48 >> It would be a sticker tag and nonrevenue.

10:37:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
It's like we are clicking it when

they go through but there is not going to be any

exchange from Hart to FDOT at all?

10:37:59 >> No, sir.

10:38:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I want to clarify that because I

saw in the there.

And, you know, when we are dealing with, as you

know, we are trying to put things in a

straightforward way in government.

Sometimes it doesn't seem very straightforward.

And when you are reading it.

I want to make sure I got the answer ton that.

It wasn't anything that is correct you said there.

It's just that I didn't understand it based on

what you had put forward.

So let's say, for example, this project did not go

forward for whatever reason, some of the reasons

that were mentioned already, and we still need to

work on the malfunction junction.

That part needs to be fixed.

And there's been always a lot of discussion.

And having been on a lot of the transit boards and

transportation boards, we have all heard it, which




who the hell designs the entranceway onto I-4

going north -- excuse me, going south on 275.

I know that you are not an engineer.

At least we know what you do.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that it's something that needs to

be changed and a significant change.

And originally when I used to be on the MPO, some

of the discussion that my colleagues on the MPO

will agree with this, the main issue about this

change was not about TBX itself, it was primarily

about fixing malfunction junction.

And that was really -- sold to us one way or the

other, but we knew that was going to be a big

project that we were going to look at and that we

were going to have to approve through the MPO plop

sees.

The TBX stuff I rolled off of the MPO last year,

and my colleague Mr. Maniscalco is on there now,

and then the TBX discussion, not that it wasn't

already a plan proposed, but it started to heat up

probably last summer, last fall, right around that

time frame.

So, you know, our thoughts on the MPO side were

the malfunction junction, yes.




But we didn't know that it was going to change to

have some of the other aspects of TBX.

And again, I just wanted to kind of point that

out.

We know that malfunction junction needs to be

fixed.

I think everyone in the audience, everyone that

watches it on TV knows that needs to be done.

And they can't be mutually exclusive which means

that TBX doesn't necessarily have to go through to

fix malfunction junction, and vice versa.

We have to do both on the other side.

Now that things --

10:40:32 >> May I comment on that?

Sure.

Go ahead.

10:40:35 >> Thank you.

Going back to the original Tampa interstate study,

that study included a completely build of the

downtown interchange.

It included the transit envelope.

10:40:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
When was that published?

10:40:54 >> In the late 90s.

97.

10:40:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
And again the reason I was




mentioning it -- and again, I'm a big fan of

government -- I guarantee you, I only got elected

in 2011.

So that ten-year period I had other things to do

besides reading the interchange plan and

everything else that was going to happen.

I think all of us would be in agreement on that,

that we were probably doing other things besides

reading up on what FDOT's plans were in the 1998

or 1997.

So I get your point.

But, you know, to be fair, I don't think any of us

up in that this was coming down the pike until it

started to come down the pike.

So we'll agree on that.

In terms of -- and the reason I am asking about

the transit stuff, and you know that a couple of

weeks ago, our panel, talking about autonomous

vehicles, and one of the things I mentioned at the

end of that meeting, which is that the technology

is going so fast that we still need to balance out

what the needs are of the community, meaning that

what's going to be equitable?

In addition to what's doable.

I think we are at that point now here, which is




what is equitable for both the way we want to get

people around, and then secondly how it affects

the city as we try to grow and we try it and make

sure that the things that we do here are going to

make the quality of life better for everyone else.

So that's where we keep getting this, day okay.

And I know that -- and I expect this publicly so I

not saying anything out of school and I am

think you probably heard this before -- your job

is not about building the city.

Your job is about getting people from point A to

point B.

Sometimes C, too.

Okay.

So it's hard for us to kind of come to agreement

as to what we want to see in the Tampa Heights,

Seminole Heights, you know, the downtown area in

terms of development, without, you know,

destroying what is already organically happening.

And that's really the difficulty that we have.

And I think -- and you probably have seen this --

I know you have -- secretary fox had made, you

know, some statement about how we have designed

interstates in urban area in the past, and how he

has both seen that as a detriment to the way that




affected the neighborhood, and also that there may

be other ways that we can do what FDOT and USDOT

want to do and what cities want to do and I think

we need to figure out what that agreement is.

Now, I think the more conversations we have, the

better off we are going to be, because let's face

it, unanimity is not something that comes from

government.

We are not going to be all unanimous but we also

know that we want to try to cooperate as much as

possible.

And so what I would like to see come forward --

and my colleagues that sit on the MPO are going to

have this discussion in less than a couple of

weeks -- in two weeks exactly, yes -- so in two

weeks to really talk about this because the MPO is

the first stop.

You know, there are several members of the MPO

that are in favor of TBX plan.

There are some that are against it and others that

are probably going to make a decision coming up on

the 22nd.

For me, I look at it as we need to revisit what

this plan is and the design of it to make it more

accommodating to what the neighborhoods and the




city itself have been doing to make our city a

much more livable place.

And I think there's some agreement that we can

come to.

And as you said, we have not amassed all the

dollars yet.

So there's plenty much time for us to look at

this.

There's plenty of time for us to kind of come up

with a design that is actually going to help the

city in our way of looking at making our streets

more livable, walkable, you know, enjoyable for

most people, and at the same time trying to

accommodate some of the goals that FDOT has.

I don't think there's any disagreement there.

I think we all nobody we need the interstate.

Nobody wants to shut down the interstate.

But we also need to figure out exactly how to live

in harmony with what we have already been doing

and what is going to happen in the future.

So, chair, thank you very much, Mrs. Hunt, for

coming here and talking to us.

Thank you, chair.

10:45:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
You're welcome.

Councilman Cohen.




10:45:39 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you.

I have a couple of questions.

But before I start, I think that what Councilman

Suarez had, I can't put it any better than he just

did.

But the fact of the matter is that in life you

oftentimes have conflicting goals, and you have

just simply very much to find a way of making

things work.

And I think that one of the reasons we decided to

have this discussion in our CRA meeting is because

here is where we really concentrate on the needs

of the city.

And the MPO is a much more regional -- much more

regional perspective but it's very, very

appropriate to really highlight some of the issues

that I'm sure are going to continue to come up in

public comment today.

We have heard over and over again over the past

year as we have been discussing. This it's very

appropriate, I think, to have it here.

I want to ask you three questions.

And be the first, these are some of the most

common questions that get asked about this

project.




And the first one is this.

Why are we not using the money for this project

for what I would call transit as opposed to roads?

People say in public comment, they will say, we

want transit options, we don't want more roads.

Why don't you use this money for transit?

10:47:12 >> Debby Hunt.

The short answer is because this community does

not have an adopted transit plan.

The last plan that was done was the alternative

analysis in 2010 that went to the referendum, and

it did not get completed.

So there was never a preferred alternative adopted

by Hart and by vote of the community, whether it

the City of Tampa or the county.

Without that the federal government nor the state

government can provide funds for capital to build

the system.

There has to be an adopted preferred alternative

and there has to be a 30 year commitment built

local government to fund the operating and

maintenance of that system.

And then the federal government and the state

government can provide the majority of the capital

funds to build that system.




10:48:19 >>HARRY COHEN:
I don't think anyone would argue

with the premise that the community has not come

up with a comprehensive transit plan moving

forward.

We clearly, as a community, have come to no

consensus on that issue.

Maybe they will tonight but who knows?

The second question.

And if anyone wants to follow up on that one, I'm

sure Ms. Hunt may want to get more into the

details of it.

The second question is, what goes away if the TBX

is removed?

What goes away?

It's not just the improvements to the interstate

from Bearss Avenue to downtown Tampa or

malfunction junction.

What else is a part of the plan?

10:49:20 >> Debby Hunt:
There's two major components to

the plan.

The Westshore interchange, did $250 million and

the downtown interchange,

Those are the two major components that are part

of the plan that would gone away.

There's also 50-mile of express lanes that are a




system that works within the interstate system,

that are new lanes in addition to the general

purpose lanes that are there today.

10:49:56 >>HARRY COHEN:
To get into a little more detail,

what does it mean to the airport master plan?

What does it mean to the port?

What does it mean to the reconstruction of the

Howard Frankland bridge?

What does it mean to I-4?

Are those things affected by this?

USF.

Are these things affected by it?

Or if it were to go away would they just, you

know, be able to find another way to fulfill their

needs?

10:50:25 >> The Howard Frankland bridge is a bridge

replacement because the bridge is nearing its life

expectancy.

So the bridge will be rebuilt regardless.

The interchanges will not.

Tampa International, which all of us have been

putting significant resources into their

expansion, the department itself put about 200

million into their people mover, as a part of

expanding the airport.




None of that is going to be necessary if they

don't have a network to distribute the people that

come in and out of the airport.

The plans go directly to the airport.

GOP directly to the veterans expressway, which

means that new lanes that are being currently

built on the veterans expressway will all come to

that one section right therein north of Westshore

and create increased congestion from what's there

today.

What's important for the port is the ability for

freight and the trucks to move in and around the

area which is why we built the connector, which is

early stages of overall plan.

Trucks do not travel in the express Lanes because

the express Lanes are for passenger vehicles only.

So what the express Lanes do for the core is moves

people out of the general purpose lanes which

frees up space and capacity for the trucks to move

more freely in and around the region.

USF, you hear comments from them all the time

about how difficult it is to get to USF if you are

coming from Pinellas County, fur combing from West

Tampa, if you are coming from South Tampa, because

you have to go through the downtown interchange to




get there.

This provides express lanes directly in the USF,

Busch gardens, medical center corridor, so that

traffic can be get there with more reliably.

10:52:28 >>HARRY COHEN:
So when I hear people what you

just said, these are real problems, the real

issues that need to be addressed.

Is this the best plan for addressing these needs?

And ton what degree moving forward is FDOT willing

to work and be flexible in terms of how these

different needs are going to be addressed?

With the population numbers that you showed, 600

that you people in the area, you know, I know

they've seen from the airport 13,000 people a day

need to get in and out.

You know, we know, particularly in the absence of

a comprehensive transit proposal or plan, that we

need additional capacity.

The question people ask me, is this the right way

to go about doing it?

Is there a way that we should be allocating these

resources?

10:53:27 >> Your first part of that question has to do, is

this the only plan?

It's a two-part plan.




It has always been the discussion.

And I go back to the slide of the 2040 imagine

plan that shows the interstate system being a

standard so that it can take traffic currently on

the local facilities and put the through traffic

where it should be which is on the interstate, and

it also is necessary to build a premium transit

system.

You have got for this community and this area to

grow at the level we are expected to grow, we have

to have both systems.

Transit and roads.

And you asked about the department's commitment to

that.

I would say that if you look at commitments in

transit across the board, D.O.T. has more money in

transit than any other agency, because we put

money into the study, we put money into building

the system, we put money into replacing the buses,

we put -- we put -- the people mover system alone,

200 million at the airport, transit, it may be

TampaTampa International but it's transit.

Having that corridor that goes from Pinellas

County all the way to Orlando for premium transit

in the future.




It doesn't matter to us whether that is All Aboard

Florida coming into Tampa or whether it's the

light rail system that's been approved in Pinellas

County, but proposed to come across the howard

Frankland bridge, Westshore intermodal center

which we also bought for $45 million, or to come

all the way to downtown.

We don't care what goes in the corridor.

We made the commitment, and we have been building

that from day one.

With the Tampa interstate.

There's in a corridor.

10:55:30 >>HARRY COHEN:
Let me ask you one question.

You asked about different things that have been

done in the neighborhood.

I want to be very clear. Who pays for that?

Is that paid for by D.O.T. or is that something

that the city would bear a cost for?

10:55:47 >> What we commit to as part of this project,

D.O.T. will be paying for.

I heard Councilman Thomas.

We paid for the construction of it and somebody

has to maintain it.

And your staff has been at all of our charrette

meetings.




We have had individual coordination meetings with

your staff, because the requests that are coming.

What we are trying to do is accommodate as many of

them as we can.

The D.O.T. is not -- we are in the transportation

business.

All modes of transportation.

We aren't in parks and recs and other types of

business.

And that's where we are going to have to work with

you all.

You all have to be willing when we provide for the

reconnection of the streets, you all -- and we can

build that piece.

You guys, that's going to be your road and your

responsibility at the end of the day.

The D.O.T. is paying for it, for the capital

portion of it.

10:56:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

10:57:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Thank you very much.

I had a thought.

You and I had a conversation a few months ago

where I asked, what would it take for the city to

get, you know, two, three, $400 million from FDOT

in order to build some kind of rail infrastructure




and a streetcar, have it downtown to the airport,

Westshore connector, and you said you have to have

something on the table.

And we talked about grow Hillsborough.

You mention add few minutes ago about a referendum

that didn't go up there in 2010.

We create -- or this board can do, for example,

what's been talked about, a stormwater assessment,

you know, for residents in the City of Tampa.

If we created a transportation assessment, and we

showed FDOT, you know, we are generating money

from this new thing that is strictly dedicated to

transited, would FDOT be able to come back and

say, okay, you put something on the table, or a

down payment essentially where you could help us

with grant money in order to build some kind of

infrastructure?

And the reason I ask is, you know, in the

conversation that we had, I told you, in 2010 --

and these were just numbers that I heard of --

it's failed in the county, the referendum but it

passes in city limits.

The problem that we have is via Tallahassee, or

the state, the power is delegated that we have to

put a county-wide referendum on the ballot.




We think can't put a city-wide municipal election

referendum.

But if we were to come to the table, let's say --

and I just thought about this now -- with some

kind of a assessment saying we are generating this

kind of money every year, could we approach FDOT

and say, you know, would you help us extend the

streetcar?

Would you help us build some kind of direct rail

connection from downtown to the airport?

Is that even reasonable or feasible or doable?

10:59:02 >> Those have been comments before, and we are

paying the majority of the streetcar study to look

at whether it can be expanded.

We will be paying in the capital portion if it's

feasible and if the city has a 30-year operating

and maintenance to expand it.

We will be providing money for the capital, the

building of it and the buying of the vehicles,

whatever type are selected.

We are already diagnose that feasibility study

which you are talking about, gave money to Hart to

do the feasibility study so, that can be

determined.

We cannot put money into it until there is a local




commitment for the 30-year operating and

maintenance.

And we, D.O.T., have no control over what's in

Florida statute with respect to whether it's a

county referendum or a city referendum.

10:59:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
No, my thought was if we were

to create a 30 year assessment specifically

dedicated to transportation which would go on our

property taxes bill for a citizen in the City of

Tampa, just a thought.

However the money would generate.

Would that be something that would be enough to

say, you know, City of Tampa is doing something,

not going to the ballot, coming to City Council,

it's avoiding the whole campaign.

Because to sell to the county voters and strictly

containing it within city limits is my thought.

If we were to put something on the table in a 30

year agreement to operating and maintenance.

11:00:39 >> To answer your question, yes, to give you a yes

or no, the detail that goes with that is that

would be very similar to what the city of Orlando

did when SunRail moved forward.

They committed to provide the 30-year operating

and maintenance and show that's how they were




going to do that.

11:00:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Yes.

Because I think TBX regardless of my position on

it, we build these roads.

Let's say it moves forward.

And then what is after TBX?

Do we continue widening it?

We have a TBX part 2 coming in 30 years, or I have

to think about the future generation.

And the millennials and folks my age, we talk

about transit options.

And I visit so many other cities and I never rent

a car.

I have never rent add car in my life.

I use public transportation.

Because it works.

In the City of Tampa, you know, the bus works for

some people.

Our options are limited to streetcar when it's

operating for some people.

Our options are limited.

But thinking in the future, you know, what comes

after TBX?

What will the next generation of FDOT tell us, and

say we need this.




We need real solutions.

We need to take cars off the road, we need to give

people other options a way to get around in a way

that works for them and move forward to being a

successful city.

We have so much going on for us minus

transportation.

We have corporations that look at us and leave

because of transportation, lack thereof,

transportation.

So I can't think of the next election.

I think of the next generation.

These my duty as a public servant.

And we need to be forward thinking, what do I tell

my children?

What do I tell people in 20: 30 years?

I am just trying to find the best option possible.

11:02:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

Here we go.

You stated that the reason that this is going

forward is because the area does not have a

premium transit plan.

We are not in the middle of that?

I missing something?

Tell me.




11:02:56 >> Starting the study this fall.

We are currently in the procurement process to do

a feasibility study for Hillsborough County as

well as within the region.

11:03:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
It starts in the fall.

11:03:10 >> We are under procurement now for a consultant,

yes.

11:03:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
How much time is allowed to get

this done?

11:03:15 >> It will take them about 18 months to complete

that.

They would be the best ones to speak about that.

11:03:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.

18 months.

Then we have -- so now we are getting to where we

are looking to put together premium transit plan

in 18 months.

Therefore, this can maybe hold for 18 months.

One of the things here that -- I am going to bring

up this because be last year in 2015, almost a

year to the day, it was June 11, 2015, two very

important things happened here at the CRA.

We passed a resolution for the community

development agency of the City of Tampa accepting

the west community Tampa plan for redevelopment of




West Tampa community.

Okay.

And much recommending it for approval for the City

Council.

That was the one thing.

The other thing -- and I am going to go back.

A year ago, Mitsubishi is the contractor that was

awarded the people mover at the airport expansion.

I met with the Mitsubishi director at that time,

and I brought it to the MPO director and -- okay,

with the Mitsubishi director and I, and I said one

of you explain what you have just proposed.

And they were proposing that we could do a light

rail prototype, if you will, from the airport to

downtown Tampa without a public referendum.

They would finance.

This was brought forth, and I believe from the

Planning Commission, so was our former economic

director present, they were about to change hand,

never heard anything else about it.

So we keep talking about the public funds, and of

course, you know, borrowing money.

It's all public funds.

But putting it forth for a vote is a different

issue.




El Paso passed a $470 million dollar, El Paso,

referendum.

It was the largest in the country at the time for

quality of life improvements.

We nickel and dime them and 200,000 for this, for

the stormwater, you know, 200 million, 30 million

for transit, it's all quality of life, and it is

all public safety and health.

The public is exhausted.

Exhausted from just being bombarded with these

plans and these different -- give us a penny, give

us half a penny, you know.

It really is something that the communication to

the public is so poor.

And we are piecemealing all of it and it really

needs to be a very big picture.

The other thing that we did June 11th of 2016

was I made a motion that the CRA request the MPO

remove the proposed interstate expansion from

their approved TIF plan.

The motion carried unanimously.

I don't know where my coal leagues stand on it

this year, what changed between last year and this

year.

But if anyone would like to make that motion to




reconfirm that position, that would be -- I am

going to move the gavel and I will move it.

11:07:43 >> I will make that motion.

I will make the motion.

11:07:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Reconfirm the position?

11:07:49 >> Okay. Do we have a second?

11:07:53 >> Second.

11:07:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have a motion by Councilman

Suarez, a second by Councilwoman Montelione.

All in favor?

11:08:01 >>THE CLERK:
May I ask that the motion be

formally stated for the record?

11:08:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
To reaffirm that our position,

CRAs' position on the proposed expansion of TBX,

be removed are from the TIF plan, the

transportation improvement plan.

11:08:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Councilwoman Montelione?

11:08:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And I just want to clarify.

I think we are going to pass this motion here

again.

But three of us sit on the MPO.

So between now and the 22nd, we are not all of us

saying that we are going to vote no at MPO.

We are saying as a CRA, collectively, as a body,

this is what we believe is the right thing for our




neighborhoods.

So just keep that in mind.

Because things may change between now and the

22nd.

You never know.

I just want to make that clear.

11:09:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for that.

11:09:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Because we have people who

voted for it the first time and voted in the TIF

when it came up.

11:09:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Yes that is a fact.

But here we go.

This body.

11:09:17 >>HARRY COHEN:
I am not going to support the

motion this time.

I have spent more hours than I care to go over

studying this.

This is a very, very difficult question, because

there are a lot of elements involved in it.

And I just at this point am going to wait to

express myself at the MPO.

11:09:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
All right.

That being said, we have a motion by Councilman

Suarez, second by Councilwoman Montelione.

All in favor? Opposed?




11:09:57 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Miranda being

absent and Cohen voting no.

11:10:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

I think we are going to conclude this portion of

the meeting.

Thank you for your time, Ms. Hunt.

11:10:16 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I have the quarterly updates.

11:10:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Wait.

That comes after.

Okay.

11:10:41 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Quarterly updates.

11:10:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ:


11:10:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I want to give everyone ample

time to say of what they want to say.

Please continue.

11:10:50 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Quarterly update on the

financials for the various CRSs, if anybody has

any questions.

11:10:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Okay.

Any questions on that?

No?

All right.

11:11:02 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I would like to give a brief

presentation on where we are with the facade

grants.




Where we are going so far, starting in 2010 with

the dollars.

And you can see how much the investment by TIF

dollars and how much by investment has taken

place.

1 to 4 in Ybor.

1 to 2.5 in Drew Park.

And 1.4 in East Tampa.

Some of the newer ones in Drew Park.

I think some of you went to a grand opening for

the expansion of western supply, which is a large

employer.

They are fans of bright colors.

Again, Drew Park has lots of light heavy industry

and it's reflected in these pictures.

Again, getting rid of the chain link fence with a

more decorative wrought iron and stucco and paint

job as well.

Improvements on the outside of the building at

Demmis market.

That's just from a different angle, isn't it?

11:12:42 >> [Off microphone.]

Again, just a quick update on some of the things.

I wanted to give you an opportunity to see that.

11:13:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for the update.




We do really good work here.

So now we are going to open public comment.

Anyone wishing to speak at this time, please

stand.

I need a head count.

Or raise your hand so we can get a head count.

Okay.

We have 5, 6, 7. And you, sir, standing also?

8.

So it's three minutes each.

Thank you.

We will startle.

Please come to the podium first.

11:14:06 >> Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.

I have been roughing out the numbers but tonight

because the county is having a community meeting,

it's better advertised than the last one.

The reason you don't have any transit outline is

because you don't listen.

You go through motions of listening but you don't

hear.

And the point is, I have outlined for five years

now multiple diesel units on the CSX tracks.

Now, recently, Colorado rail car has become U.S.

rail car and they added something which is to use




natural gas.

So I guess they wouldn't be -- I guess it would be

MGUs, which I guess you could call it M -- MGU

instead of mango. The units are $4 million

apiece.

You need about 24 of them for 15 minute service.

So that comes out -- that amortizes over ten year

ortization 14 million, which actually 30 buses

is equivalent of 20 of these cars.

So Florida D.O.T. wants to buy something, buy

these multiple diesel units because you could

remove 14 million from the 40 million that would

be needed.

Now, I made a mistake when I presented to the

county commission, and I said what comes across in

these community meetings go Hillsborough earning

its pay is gas tax, gas tax, gas tax.

How many times does it have to be said?

Now, I said 20 cents a gallon.

But the thing is I made a mistake.

I meant 20 cents a day, because the average person

uses two gallons of gas a day.

And it's a ten cent a gallon tax.

That would raise $73 million a year that would

contribute to $40 million to run multiple natural




gas units on the CSX tracks.

How much more do you noticed it spelled out?

Go to American railway engineers association,

which I would have joined if I had listened to my

dad.

My dad, I'm second generation on this.

My dad was an advocate of public transportation,

rail transportation.

40 years ago when it was being phased out around

the country.

So I'm second generation.

The mistake I made, I didn't listen to him.

I listened to my uncle who was a railway worker

and demeaned the New York City transit system.

But the New York City transit system moves

millions of people a year.

And the thing is, billions actually, in the days.

So I listened to the wrong person.

So I got on a bad track.

(Bell sounds)

But, you know, you sit there and you don't listen.

11:17:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Time is up.

Thank you, sir.

Next.

Thank you.




11:17:20 >> Good morning.

Thank you again for the opportunity for us to come

before you.

Thank you for the vote that you just took.

That is deeply appreciated by us, very much so.

I would like to say that oh, Lena Young-Green.

30 years ago, 35 years ago, I moved into Tampa

Heights.

Got involved immediately.

Listened to all the presentations, attended as

many, and many tables with D.O.T., and the lines

that you are hearing today are the lines that I

have heard through all those years.

They keep telling us that more roads are going to

solve problems.

They tell us more roads are going to solve these

problems, but then they turn around five, ten,

fifteen years later and come back and same more

roads are going to solve these problems.

And wait a minute, we didn't fix the problem last

time, but more roads are going to fix the problem.

You are right, we have to plan for the future.

We should plan, seven generations.

We have got to be visionary.

The D.O.T. is telling you about a 20 to 30-year




plan.

It's a new generation now.

We have millennials who are saying we want

something.

We can't keep doing things the same way and expect

a different outcome.

That's the definition of insanity or a fool.

We are not that.

We are better than.

That we are smarter than that.

If you take this plan that was presented to you

beautifully this morning by D.O.T. and remove TBX,

and remove TBX, it would be a place where we need

to be.

But we can't keep on insisting that we do things

the same way and expect a different outcome by

insisting that TBX is the answer.

Now, when we talk about what happens within our

cities and within our county, they are different

perspectives.

We have got to figure out where how we bring these

two things together, if it is that we go to the

legislature and we again ask about allowing us to

do our own tasks, because we are different.

We are different.




So let's work on that.

We have to understand if we don't put the people

who we want to see the way we see it in office, we

cannot expect a different outcome.

Thank you.

(Bell sounds).

11:20:29 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

I am just going to say real quickly to Councilman

Maniscalco's talk on the future, we heard today

this plan that's been in place for 20 years.

We did not hear anything about the plan that's in

place for the next 20 or 30 years.

That was not spoken of.

We did not hear any of that.

So it just came up now and I wanted to mention it

that we did not hear that, nor did we ask.

So thank you.

11:21:02 >> Overman, 4610 north Central Avenue.

You know, the Seminole Heights, Tampa Heights area

is in between telephone West Tampa CRA and East

Tampa CRA doesn't exist.

We don't have afternoon CRA in that area.

In spite of that, in addition to the growth that B

earlier in 2010, that part of the community, since

2010, there has been a investments of homeowners




and business owners that area with absolutely no

help from FDOT on Florida Avenue.

So that area is going to apply for a CRA in that

area.

And that's what we need to do in order to be able

to provide a walkable, safe community for this

area.

So what you heard today was in the mitigation

plan, or in the plan, or mitigation first plan for

the TBX plan, great ideas, Seminole Heights, Tampa

Heights community, Ybor Heights, VM Ybor, all we

have been talking about and working in the

InVision plan for over ten years.

We have a plan.

But we need the county commission to actually

approve funding, because CAC representing budget

and finance for this board, I have been constantly

told there's no money for it because Tampa,

Hillsborough County commission will not fund a

program like what we have been trying to do with

go-mills bore.

Go-Hillsborough needs to be succeed, but what F

got has done is put TBX in order to make it

difficult to determine how our taxpayers actually

fund a robust transportation system that includes




transit.

I think it's critically important to recognize

this, and the Tampa Bay Expressway is a PAC plan

to fund express roads that will take money out of

our city and our county budget to deal with the

fall-out of what will occur in our communities

that directly impacted by this kind of road plan.

It was mentioned this fall, it does talk about the

components of the imagine plan.

But I would strongly suggest that you look at the

mitigation agreements that will be put into place

and find out that if you are being asked to put

any moneys out of the CRA, to improve the

community, and it's not going to go for the actual

transit plan and transportation plan that we need,

that mitigate first may not occur.

As we have seen, FDOT indicates that it's

important to take care of our roads.

Just take a look at what they have done ton

Florida Avenue and what that funds in our

community.

Thank you.

(Bell sounds)

11:24:14 >> My name is Nick Patel, one of the community

transportation activists.




I want to get on a couple of points that was made

by this council or agency, one by Councilman

Reddick.

And I absolutely reiterate, reconfirm his

statement, this silliness or foolishness has to

stop.

And not just because of the impacts to the

community, which we all agree that there will be

environmental effect to a lot of communities.

Disproportionate to minorities as we have seen in

the past but most importantly because it doesn't

solve the transportation problem.

It makes it worse.

In fact, it's not smart to take people within a

highly dense area on elevated highway and call

that a solution for congestion for transportation

problem, for connection interstate not connecting

North Tampa to South Tampa.

That's number one.

How many people will actually use this expressway?

If you read the plan of FDOT, less than 3% of

drivers will use the expressway.

Less than 3%.

How do you fix the congestion problem with less

than 3% use the road?




You can't.

You have to address all the other roads.

And I think 10,000 miles of highway in this county

that we need to address.

Number 2, finance.

I think somebody mention dad about the double

taxation issue which is true.

In fact it's even worse.

It's triple.

We hired a group of USF students the whole

semester analyzing what FDOT provided on this

project.

And this project as stated, with their own data,

will lose close to 100 to 300 million a year based

on their own numbers that they put out there.

The total revenue will not cover.

They will lose 100 to 300 million a year.

And that's 100 conservative in the debt financing

which they are still not clear how they are going

to finance it.

They keep saying we are going to lose it -- use it

or lose it.

How can you lose that?

If someone wants to take a mortgage and pay my

mortgage, fine.




You can't lose.

That you can't have a pocket of cash that we are

going to lose.

How many times I heard that it's sickening.

They know better.

FDOT knows better.

Be honest.

Tell us that you don't have the money, than the

engineering -- I am an engineer, and I can direct

all your concerns about engineering. This design

will kill people.

Please look into that.

I will address anybody personally.

11:27:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

11:27:21 >> Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you to be this body for having the courage

and the decency for protecting our Tampa

neighborhoods that you have seen here today.

By reaffirm the resolution to remove the TBX from

the what the MPO is going to do next week.

So I urge you as chair to show up on the 22nd of

June, 6:00 p.m., and convey your body's resolution

to the MPO.

I know three of you will be there any way.

But I would also like to take a moment to thank




Councilman Maniscalco for his courage in leading

the opposition on this.

And I appreciate your stance from the beginning

from the first vote last year.

And Councilman Reddick, thank you so much for your

points today on how this is going to defend state

minorities and people in these areas.

Thank you for bringing up that.

I forgot that.

Jeff Van Patella, 777 north Ashley drive.

Again, thank you.

Thank you for your vote today as a body. We hope

to see you on the 22nd.

11:28:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for mentioning that. I

will be in Washington, D.C. on June 22nd.

But if any one of my colleagues that's not on the

MPO one like to represent, the vice chair is on

the MPO.

11:28:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
[Off microphone.]

11:28:53 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
And present the letter, we will

send it and also have it there.

You know, I will ask and see if we can't get that

done.

11:29:03 >> Thank you for your time.

11:29:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I have the assurance from my




colleagues that we'll get it done.

Thank you.

11:29:11 >> My name is Gloria Jean Royster. I live at 400

east Harrison street in downtown Tampa. If

Downtown is 82% white, then and I represent the

18% that is nonwhite.

I live at the north end of downtown.

I live in the blighted section of downtown, and I

use that word broadly to talk about all the

problems we have in north downtown.

And I want to say I'm a senior citizen.

And I live in a community with two senior

buildings, with people -- the seniors with

disabilities, Hispanics and some whites.

There are also people with disabilities in the

building.

One of our concerns is we already have concerns,

and one of our concerns is the growth we had and

oceanic market in the Tampa Heights neighborhood

is the only option that we seniors have for

grocery shopping in the north end of downtown.

We are not talking about the Channel district.

We live in downtown proper.

And we understand that.

But TBX will be moving oceanic market from Tampa




Heights.

So we are very concerned about that.

And we won't have anywhere to go.

Also, we are concerned about the pedestrian access

along Florida Avenue.

And what's referred to today as the downtown and

Tampa Heights connector, that blighted underpass.

And we are concerned that when they do TBX, we as

pedestrians who don't drive will have going into

Tampa Heights.

We are concerned about the impact of TBX for the

lack of any retail investment in north downtown,

because we don't have any, and, you know, they

take away.

We are beginning to advocate for retail in the

area.

And if they take away the potential that we have

for building for resale, you know, we can't

develop, we won't have the quality of life that we

are seeking, that the 82% white people have in

downtown Tampa.

(Bell sounds)

I would say this one last thing, for the record,

for FDOT and for the council that doesn't know,

the uptown council was rebranded to the downtown




Tampa Heights neighborhood association.

So the uptown council no longer exists.

I have other things I wanted to say, but, you

know, just know that the people in north downtown

will greatly be affected.

Your seniors.

Thank you.

11:32:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

11:32:20 >> Good morning.

My name is Rick Fernandez, 2906 north he will more

Avenue, Tampa 33602.

That's in Tampa Heights.

I'm the president of the Civic Association as I

know you all know.

I have been here ad nauseam for the last year and

I appreciate your continuously support.

And I certainly appreciate the reiteration of the

motion today which you just made.

TBX will not solve congestion.

That is a given.

It's been admitted by secretary Snively, it's been

admitted as recently as two days ago in one of the

citizen advisory committee meetings.

It will simply not solve congestion.

Certainly not standing a loan.




In most universe that should be enough to kill it.

But that's not the universe in which you live.

The universe in which we live, the one we share

with FDOT, we have something called another

acronym coined by Anthony Fox.

What it means is or at least how he termed it is

the decide, advocate and defend.

You come up with a position.

You advocate for it and defend it.

Everything is backasswards as my mother used to

say.

Okay?

Let's talk about that.

In this universe, in the DOD universe, feasibility

is not determined for a project before you start

spending millions of dollars to advance it.

In the dad universe, you allow FDOT to purchase

homes from willing sellers who have a gun to their

head knowing that they are living in the footprint

of destruction.

When they purchase the home, the home is then

blighted.

It's cardboarded over.

You blight it.

You blight the neighborhood.




And you do all of that without feasibility being

determined.

In the dad universe, you have the downtown

interchange which has been studied for over 20

years, we were just told today, but by God, they

still don't know what that thing is going to look

like.

We know that there is going to be a bomb dropped

in the middle of Tampa Heights and Ybor City and

downtown.

But we don't nobody if it's dimensional bomb or

nuke.

We know there's going to be a state fair but we

think don't nobody what it's going to look like.

Yet we are being asked in the dad universe to

mitigate.

And we are being asked to come to the table and

talk about trees, and roller skating.

We are supposed to roller skate, for God's sake.

We don't know what we are talking about and they

certainly don't.

Excuse me if I am being a little passionate here

but this hits very close to home.

I walk out of my door and I see everyone my

mother's home.




I purchased that home in 2011.

Councilwoman Capin, to your question earlier, no

one ever mentioned TBX to me.

I never heard of TBX until last year, May of

20159.

I can assure you there are people purchasing homes

now that know nothing about it because frankly

people don't know a lot about a lot of things.

They don't read the paper.

But nobody is calling folks -- telling folks about

it.

So thank you again for your support.

If this can is being kicked down the road for 20

years it's because nobody has stood up to remove

the can.

It's time to remove the can.

Thank you.

(Bell sounds).

11:35:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

11:35:30 >> Where is the Mike?

Quickly before I start, I talked to the tech guys.

I didn't realize I got my government agencies

confused and you guys need sorted of a prior

notice.

Is it possible, Mr. Chairman, to get this loaded




up?

Or just move on?

11:35:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We don't have that time.

Thank you.

11:35:57 >> How I do get this ton show up?

My name is Jason barren.

I'm here today as Vice President of sunshine

citizens and co-founder of urban Tampa Bay,

representing about 4,000 City of Tampa residents

today.

I had a presentation I was going to talk about

relating to how TBX is not good friends with the

CRA.

Changing gears, I am going to bring up the stuff

that comes directly from the Hillsborough MPO.

They are doing a title 6 study of TBX right now,

just some quick information from that.

FDOT says that TBX is about 50 miles of toll

lanes.

That's interest corrected.

That's just TBX starter, phase 1.

Full buildout as you can see here depending on

final plans, the toll system could range from a

total of 83 miles one way to more than 330 miles.

FDOT, 23 neighborhood.




The actual count is 45 in Hillsborough County.

They talk about impact.

They have made statements in the newspaper that

the regional impact of TBX is 19,000 people a

year, 230,000 some people.

Just in Hillsborough County alone, the correct

number is 710,838.

Just on the I-275 area we are talking about ethnic

distribution within the county, and how some may

be unfairly impacted by that.

The numbers for the total county, it's 75% of the

population considers themselves to be Caucasian,

or Latino.

The folks that consider themselves white only, so

therefore all the rest ethnic minority is around

62%.

You can see here the impact area.

58% minority.

Real quick, we talked about how TBX affected only

a few people.

I did some digging around the Tampa Bay regional

planning model which all of this is based on, and

5 million trips a day.

15% of those occur on the expressways.

And we know TBX will only serve about 15% of the




expressway drivers.

Therefore that's only about 3% of total regional

traffic.

You can see these numbers here.

(Bell sounds)

Thank you.

11:39:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Jason, you can e-mail that

presentation that you were going to give.

You can e-mail it to all of us.

11:39:24 >> I'll do that as soon as I'm out of here.

11:39:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.

And the same thing with the documents that you

have in your. And you can e-mail those to us as

well.

That will benefit from your presentation even

though it wouldn't be on TV.

11:39:39 >> I can give a full report.

There's a draft May 25th so it's updated as of

Tuesday.

11:39:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you for that update.

Councilwoman Montelione.

And we proceed now to--

11:40:02 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
We are asking to move some oh

money around, please, in the East Tampa, and for

the purpose of the Ragan Park bathrooms.




11:40:11 >> So moved.

11:40:12 >> Second.

11:40:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Moved by Councilman Reddick.

Seconded by Councilman Cohen.

All in favor? Opposed?

11:40:19 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
I have another similar request.

11:40:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Unanimous.

Thank you.

11:40:24 >> Another similar request to move money in the

East Tampa budget for land acquisition.

11:40:28 >> so moved.

11:40:30 >> Second.

11:40:30 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Motion by Councilman Reddick.

Seconded by Councilman Suarez.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Passes unanimously.

11:40:38 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
And you have some information

about applicants for the Drew Park advisory.

And I believe we still have one of the folks here.

11:40:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We do?

Wow.

11:40:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
You can step up and just say

hell or to them.

11:40:57 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Good morning.




How are you?

My name is Ben west.

I run a business out at 4414 north Lois Avenue in

Drew Park and I'm here as an applicant for the

community budget committee.

So I have been a citizen for about 10, 15 years.

We have seen a lot of changes in the stormwater

development.

Two years ago, I mentioned that the development

plans were pedestrian use and designs, and my

background is actually in architecture.

So seeing that, I have seen what it has done.

I think the next part is to get the community

invested, and everybody I see it as an opportunity

to be find ways to get involved, to see how

architecture in the city, and how the building,

how that's about -- I am interested in working on.

That thank you for your time.

11:42:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you.

Anyone else?

Mrs. Montelione has a question.

11:42:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
No, were the other, you said,

wasn't here.

Were the others here earlier?

11:42:24 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Not for Drew Park but for other




CRAs.

11:42:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
It so East Tampa.

We'll see them next time.

11:42:30 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
That's correct.

11:42:31 >> you have three applicants and there is one

position available in Drew Park.

11:42:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
I am going to pass it down and

pass it over.

Thank you.

It's being counted

Let's go to 9.

11:43:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'll move all three

applicants.

11:43:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Moved for approval by

Councilwoman Montelione.

Seconded by Councilman Maniscalco.

All in favor? Opposed?

Congratulations.

You're welcome.

(Laughter).

11:43:24 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Ybor City, we have two

ex-officio positions.

If I could I would like to ask Michael Murphy to

say hello to the board.

11:43:36 >> Hello. I'm Michael Murphy.




I operate the gallery down in Ybor.

And the past 20 years, I have established a good

working relationship with the Ybor City

Development Corporation.

Mainly working with their retail subcommittee.

If you don't know I am also one of the co-founders

and currently serve as secretary of the merchants

association.

I would be happy -- of our organizations as we

continue development of Ybor into a true work,

live and play.

Do you have any questions?

(Laughter)

11:44:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Doesn't take advice from Mr.

McDonaugh anymore, okay?

(Laughter)

I move approval of Mr. Murphy.

11:44:37 >> Second.

11:44:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have a motion to approve by

Councilman Suarez.

Second by Councilwoman Montelione.

All in favor?

11:44:46 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
Two ex-officios.

One is Mr. Murphy and another is Anthony.

So if I could get a confirmation.




11:44:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
So there are two openings, two

applicants.

11:45:02 >> That's correct.

11:45:05 >> I'll move the second applicant approval.

11:45:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Did we vote on the first motion?

No, not yet.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Passes unanimously.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

And we have a second.

11:45:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion to approve our second point

as ex-officio.

11:45:28 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
We have a motion from Councilman

Suarez.

Second by Councilwoman Montelione.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Thank you.

Again, you're welcome.

Thank you for serving.

11:45:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Chair, if we could announce what

the votes were, because looks like we have a

revote.




11:45:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Is that what we are doing?

11:46:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I believe so.

11:46:03 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
City clerk.

No one received four votes.

We have 3, 2, 1.

11:46:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Who were they?

11:46:19 >> Dan Wynn received two votes, John two votes,

and Maximo Sanchez received one.

11:46:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
All right.

11:46:39 >>BOB McDONAUGH:
May I also ask the CRA board to

receive and file the quarterly financials?

11:46:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Motion by Councilwoman

Montelione.

Seconded by Councilman Maniscalco.

All in favor?

Opposed? Thank you.

Now we wait for the vote count.

Okay, we could do -- thank you, Councilman Cohen.

We'll start with Mr. Maniscalco.

Any new business?

I had it in my hand the whole meeting.

11:47:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
[Off microphone.]

11:47:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Thank you, Councilwoman

Montelione.

Councilman Maniscalco.




11:47:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
No new business, thank you.

11:47:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Councilman Cohen?

11:47:43 >>HARRY COHEN:
No.

11:47:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have nothing at this time.

11:47:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
And I have no new business.

It looks like we got that in time.

11:47:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
It looks like the clerk has it

ready right on time.

11:47:53 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES:
City clerk.

The individual selected for the Drew Park CRA

community advisory committee is Mr. Ben Wynn.

Thank you.

11:48:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
Congratulations.

Thank you.

And you're welcome.

All right.

We have new business, and so now motion by

Councilman Cohen, seconded by Councilman

Maniscalco.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Okay.

Adjourned.

Thank you.

(CRA meeting adjourned)








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