TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
Thursday, June 23, 2016.
9:00 a.m. Session


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[Banging Gavel]
09:05:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Tampa City Council is called to order.
Chair yields to Mr. Harry Cohen.
All you clerk people, you know that means be quiet.
Viola.
[ Laughter ]
09:05:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Cohen, please.
09:05:40 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Welcome our very good friend the Reverend Vicki Walker
this morning.
She's the minister of missions and out reach at Hyde Park
United Methodist Church.
She's going to lead us in our invocation and please stand

and remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.
09:05:55 >> Thank you.
Let us pray.
God of grace and mercy, thank you for our City Council
and their work on behalf of all of our citizens.
Thank you for their visible support of our neighbors in
Orlando, by displaying the rainbow lights and flag on our
old city hall.
Just as the rainbow was first sent by you to be a visible
reminder to the people that you would keep your promises
and never leave them alone, so too may the rainbow remind
us that we are never alone and we are connected to you
and one another.
Guide our Council in their decision-making on ordinances
and budget items that affect our community.
Give them patience to listen to each other and the
community and wisdom to balance all of the needs and all
of the resources.
May they be guided by their character and convictions and
have a spirit of service.
We ask this in your holy name, Amen.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:07:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Roll call, please.
[Roll Call]

09:07:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Here.
09:07:14 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Here.
09:07:17 >>HARRY COHEN:
Here.
09:07:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Here.
09:07:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Here.
09:07:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Our first items on the agenda -- excuse
me, our first item is the approval of the addenda.
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed? Thank you.
Our first item up, our ceremony activities.
To do the first presentation to Ms. Viola Luke is
Councilman Charlie Miranda.
09:07:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Honorable chairman, Tampa City
Council, honorable members of Tampa City Council, as I
look up, I see four wise men.
[ Laughter ]
09:08:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
But I didn't say he was here.
It is my pleasure this morning to be in front of you this
morning as the Council, representing a commendation to
Viola Luke.
You know when you go back and you started in 1972 with
the Metropolitan Planning Organization with the City of
Tampa, you worked for many years as the executive to

Bobbie Bowden.
Not the coach, but Bowden who worked here diligently like
you did for many years and did a wonderful job for the
City of Tampa.
Like yourself, you help people in need of help.
In fact, you had the department of community outreach
efforts, including fair housing, discrimination
complaints.
You did many, many things in that department.
In your later years you came to work for Miss Shirley,
like I call her, the city clerk's office.
You've done an outstanding job there for the last four or
five years.
I don't recall how many but I know there were at least
four or five.
But what is most interesting is that for 26 years you
faithfully served as the coordinator for the city
employees holiday food basket.
And you helped over 5,000 boxes of food go out to over
3,000 families.
And that's an outstanding thing.
And more importantly, you've done something that only one
person maybe has done more than you.
No, it's a lot of people --
[ Laughter ]

09:09:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I met your husband, I met everybody.
You have served under, how many mayors?
09:09:36 >> Nine.
09:09:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Nine mayors.
Let me name them for you.
They are Greco, Cheney, Copeland, Poe, Martinez,
Freedman, Greco, Iorio and Buckhorn.
How did you do that?
[ Laughter ]
09:09:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I would've retired long time ago
working for nine of them.
I'm only joking.
They've done an outstanding job but you have been able to
do that and help people and that's what life is all
about.
Helping people.
And you've done a wonderful job and your many years of
service be will never be forgotten because you're a hard
person to replace and you're a wonderful person besides
that.
I talked to you recently in the hall when I see you, when
I'm in the office and it's a marvelous thing for you and
on behalf of Tampa City Council we make this commendation
to you for all your years of service.
And I'm not going to name how many.

But it's Hank Aaron's number.
You got that number?
All right.
Viola, thank you very much for all your years of service.
[ Applause ]
09:10:42 >> Really, Charlie said so much that I really don't need
to say as much as I might've said, which is probably a
good thing for everyone.
But I do want to thank the Councilmembers for recognizing
my many, many, many, many years of service.
And I want to thank the city clerk's office for the
service I've been able to give them for the past six
years.
I found another home and my first home was with Bobby
Bowden as the department of community affairs, assistant
and aide.
And Bobby remains somebody that I deeply respect and
certainly one of my best friends.
Every day we come to work and we put a face to the City
of Tampa.
We give it some humanity.
People come in, they need help.
They want their concerns heard at least.
And that is something we strive to do every day and give
good customer service the best we possibly can.

And I'm proud to be a city employee.
Certainly I do feel a sense of accomplishment with the
holiday basket program.
I was the founding coordinator under Mayor Freedman.
And I devoted a lot of my holiday time, as my family and
husbands know, to the program.
There's a lot of behind-the-scenes work that has to go on
to make it successful.
And it has become very popular with the employees.
And I'm glad to see that the tradition continues.
And I want to thank Rosemary for that.
Her good leadership.
Rosemary Soto.
And most of all, I really want to thank my wonderful
husband.
Bill is the best.
When he retired a couple of years ago I told him his new
job was to take care of me and get me out of the house
every morning.
[ Laughter ]
09:12:56 >> So that I could come to work and fulfill all my 7
years under the drop program.
And he did that faithfully.
Avenue morning I wake up to a fresh cup of coffee and
then he packs my little snacks for the day.

Some of them healthy.
[ Laughter ]
09:13:16 >> He also makes another thermos of coffee for me to take
on the road and then he carries all my little bags to the
car.
And puts me in the car safely and waves me bye-bye.
And then when I get home, there's smell throughout the
whole house, where he's cooking something wonderful in
the kitchen for us.
And I'm sure that I would be the envy of many, many wives
in that regard.
He is my best friend.
He's my companion, my favorite companion.
And I'm sure we'll have many years together having a lot
of fun, which is something we do avenue day.
And I'm looking forward to having the time to sleep in,
relax, do yoga again, get back to my art, do some crafts
and mainly just have a lot of fun and visit with my
family and my friends over the years that I've made here,
a lot of them here at the City of Tampa.
In fact, pretty much all of them.
All of my best friends have been here from the City of
Tampa.
So I've been very blessed.
And anyway, I think that's enough to be said about it.

But thanks, everyone.
[ Applause ]
09:14:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
You're not getting off that easy, Vi.
Stay right there.
09:14:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Now, Vi, I have a question for you though.
And this is a hard question, which is, so did you start
working here before Charlie was on Council?
[ Laughter ]
09:15:26 >> I just want to know because, you know, we're wondering
whether or not you have the same number of years as
Charlie does.
So we are curious about that.
09:15:35 >> Well, I'm not really sure about that.
[ Laughter ]
09:15:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I was hoping for some secrets.
09:15:41 >> I remember Mr. Duncan though.
09:15:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We definitely appreciate your service to
the city.
44 years is a long time.
And you know, without a doubt everybody likes to take
pictures with you, so I'll talk while you're standing
still.
We hope that your retirement is as fun as your 44 years
have been here.
We know that we have enjoyed it, walking into the Council

avenue time I would see you, and I would wave to you
through the glass, as I was walking in, always had a
smile on your face.
Always had a bright and cheery demeanor whenever I would
talk to you.
And that really means a lot to me because you know, we
sit here temporarily, you know, we get termed out and we
leave.
You've seen a lot of different City Councilmen over the
years.
But you've stayed and made this place work and that's
really the greatest feeling I think that you should take
away from here.
As you made our city work and work well.
So thank you very much for your service.
09:16:35 >> Thank you.
[ Applause ]
09:16:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Next up, we have a presentation to Dr. Yogi Goswami.
To do that presentation is Councilwoman Montelione.
09:16:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Good morning.
Good morning, Council.
Thank you for this opportunity to recognize one of our
outstanding citizens in the City of Tampa.
I've gotten to know Yogi and his wife -- where are you?

There you are.
Lovely Goswami and their family over the past self years.
And I can tell you their warm and generous nature and
hospitality, I feel like we are family.
And Lovely and I often get mistaken for being sisters.
Somebody told me once, oh, your sister is here.
I said unless she hopped the plane from New York and
surprised me, that's not my sister.
But, I am just honored to have you as a quasi-sister.
This morning, Tampa City Council proudly commends
Dr. Yogi's Goswami for being inducted into the Florida
inventors Hall of Fame for 2016.
You have spent much of your professional life dedicated
to studying solar technology.
And have used that knowledge in unique and exciting ways.
Through your inventions and technological break-throughs,
you have been able to radically improve the quality of
life for allergy and asthma sufferers throughout the
United States.
And I would dare say across the world.
During your prestigious career as an academic engineer,
entrepreneur and inventor, you have earned the admiration
of innovators from across the country.
Your professional achievements have been recognized by
the Florida inventors Hall of Fame as both exemplary and

laudable.
Therefore, Tampa City Council greats you and recognizes
you as a pioneering inventor for the indoor air quality
industry.
And it should've said go bulls!
Yogi is a proud faculty member and we're proud to have
him at the University of South Florida.
Congratulations, Yogi.
[ Applause ]
09:19:12 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Lovely wants to get a picture.
09:19:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Say a few words.
09:19:29 >> Well, thank you very much, Lisa and the City Council
for recognizing.
I've been around the world and I've got a lot of awards
and commendations, but this one means a lot to me.
When you are recognized by your home people and Tampa is
my home, that means a lot.
What I have for giving back to Tampa, Lisa sort of
alluded to it, that one of my inventions, which resulted
in four patents also resulted in a starts-up company in
Tampa.
With seed funding from investors in Tampa, it earned a
lot of funding from the Silicon Valley in California and
this is where my technology disinfect and detoxifies
indoor air, so that we can breathe the air the way we

were meant to breathe it.
And that is going to change the way we pick up our indoor
air in the future and the company is getting a lot of
rave reviews all over the world.
But I'm happy to say that God started here in Tampa.
Thank you.
[ Applause ]
09:21:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
You know, one of the things that
drives any emerging city is the ability to grow and
develop companies.
And when we talk about start-ups and investors and what
the City of Tampa is able to accomplish, I think a lot is
due to your ability to do that and lead the way for other
companies to do that in the future.
So, the model that you presented with this company and
molecule, who I call MO, is a shining example to others
who say that we don't lead in this area in technological
advances.
We certainly do.
And Yogi is part of the University of South Florida's
multitude of patents that have been issued.
So thank you for putting us on the world stage and on the
map.
09:22:04 >> Thank you.
09:22:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you very much.

Next item on the agenda was a presentation to miss Kim
Denmark.
She is not available to be here today.
And we will get that commendation off to her at a later
date.
Item number 4 has been removed by virtue of our vote on
the addenda to the agenda.
Mr. Reddick, do you have a date set yet or are you just
going -- we'll wait until you coordinate with that group
to come back?
09:22:37 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Chair, I'm going to wait till I have
a chance to communicate with the particular individuals
to make sure they coincide with the date.
09:22:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate it.
Next is up public comment.
Before we do public comment, I will make you aware that
we will take those folks that want to talk on items on
the agenda first.
Also, we will only take those items that are not set for
public hearing.
Those are items number, so if you're here to talk about
items 72 through 83, that will come up during our regular
public hearings on those items.
So any items prior to that that you want to come up and

speak, you're more than welcome to do so.
Please line up along the wall.
If you are here to speak on first items on the agenda.
Go ahead, Mr. Smith.
09:23:38 >> Actually, sir, I'm Ralph Smith but I'm going to yield
my time James Ransom.
09:23:44 >> Freddie Moore, I'm going to yield my time to
Mr. Ransom also.
09:23:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Shelby, before Mr. Ransom speaks, can
we get an additional two minutes for each one of those
speakers?
09:23:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
Per Council's rules, normally there is
no opportunity to yield one's time during public comment.
It is Council's pleasure if they wish to make its own
accommodations by consent or by motion of Council.
Otherwise normally the speaker waiver form is employed
and it's only for public hearings.
09:24:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Do I have a motion to include that to allow the
additional two minutes?
All right.
I have a motion from Mr. Maniscalco, second from
Mr. Miranda.
All in fave of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.

Any opposed?
Okay.
You have five minutes, Mr. Ransom.
Appreciate you being here.
09:24:28 >> Thank you.
Good morning, Mr. Chair and City Council members.
As you all are very aware, I'm representing the Tampa
organization of black affairs.
We're non-profit, nonpartisan organization.
We don't endorse candidates and we don't fund campaigns.
I'm also representing the Saturday morning breakfast
group as well and the same conditions apply to that
organization.
There's a non-profit, nonpartisan status.
I personally, aside from my cousin Doug Jamerson when he
ran for office, I do not personally endorse candidates.
I do not fund campaigns for candidates.
I do that to keep a clean line between the organization I
represent and all the candidates that we talk to about,
all elected officials we talk to about issues on behalf
of the black community.
What we're talking about today are the letters that I
sent to you on behalf of those organizations regarding
your staff report today that will address the language in
some of your contracts that states good faith, which we

don't believe translates to actual spending with
companies.
We believe it's very much an American theme and it's very
reasonable to have fairness and equity, diversity and
economic inclusion of African-Americans among others that
are able to do business with the City of Tampa.
That's important to us because as taxpayers and voters
who happen to be African-American, we contribute to those
dollars that you spend to buy those goods and services.
So we want you to maybe sometimes create new law to
create new policies that may not even exist, to make sure
that it becomes an institutional normal way of the city
doing business, that you will include African-Americans
in how you spend money.
If you spend money with the economic development
corporation Tampa economic development corporation for
job creation programs and location programs, you need to
make sure that African-American, black folks are going to
get jobs.
That black people are going to build the buildings.
That black people are going to service the buildings when
they're finished and provide goods and services when
they're finished.
That is reasonable.
That's America.

That's what we should do.
And the city should always set the standard for others to
follow.
We now are flying a flag where Tampa or Channelside or
our community is a place where everyone can live, work,
play and stay.
And we add to that safely because we all want to be safe
in the community.
We want to prosper in the community.
It's very important that we include everyone, when you
say everyone, that includes us as well.
So the language you have that allow for some loopholes it
seems or sidesteps around the idea that equity and
fairness and diversity and economic inclusion may be
missed.
What you can do is look back at your own numbers, your
own facts will show you this.
That's why we ask you to provide that to us.
Tell us what the total budget is of the City of Tampa.
Total budget.
Tell us how much of that total budget for the last five
years you have spent out the door and you approved the
city administration spending out the door for all of your
goods and services and contracts.
Tell us what amount of that money is spent with

African-Americans.
And you will find that the percentage is not very high.
Out of 8 year term of your terms or any Mayor's term,
that might be up to $200 million a year or $1.6 billion
in eight years of two terms of a Mayor or any City
Council member.
You don't spend 10% of that, which is $160 million with
African-American-owned businesses.
You don't spend 10% of that, which is $16 million out of
that money.
You don't spend 10% of that, which is $1.6 million.
You may spend in the city between 160,000 to 1.6 million,
maybe.
Less than one tenth of one percent of the money you spend
in eight years, which could be around $1.6 billion is not
spent with African-American people.
Okay.
So that's just a fact.
Now, what you need to do is change that, that out come
because someone else is getting paid.
Someone else is prospering.
But we're sharing footing the money in the pot and that's
fair.
The same thing goes with hiring.
When you're hiring people here, wherever they are in the

organization, it's fair to represent the community.
So what percentage of this community's funds come from
African-American people into the pot?
It's a fair question.
It's not excluding anyone else.
It's about including everybody.
Okay.
It's about making sure that there is in fact an
institutional thing that you're doing here that makes it
normal, a normal way of life.
That is how the city does its business.
That's why we recommended to you to fine language and we
recommend to the Mayor that there's language and
performance management agreements.
That all his direct reports can have to be held
accountable and have consequences if they fail to perform
based upon this kind of performance management agreement.
That deals with equity, fairness and diversity and
economic inclusion for African-Americans among others.
With that, I'm willing to take any questions you have.
09:29:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, Mr. Ransom.
Mr. Reddick?
09:29:42 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Mr. Ransom, you made some valid points
here this morning.
And, but I have a question for you and that is, what do

you recommend -- I know we talk about good faith effort
and from what, speaking with Mr. Hart, he informed me
that there's some statutes, the reason why the good-faith
effort is in there, state, county statutes that allow
that to be in there.
What do you suggest how this should be hand, how can we
change that definition or termination of good faith
effort?
09:30:18 >> On behalf of TOBA -- I'm not speaking for myself
now -- we recommend you look at language that's going to
translate in folks actually getting paid.
So if you're going to have a contract, there needs to be
language that says you must demonstrate that you actually
paid African-American and other MBEs before you get any
money from the City of Tampa.
There must be a commitment like that in language.
Good faith is not going to translate to actually spending
money with anyone.
Because the way that works could conceivably side step
your requirement to make the result what you want it to
be.
I'll give you an example.
On the Benny project that we came here to talk to you, we
talked with Mr. Bennett.
He agreed with the idea they're going to either meet or

exceed whatever the City of Tampa MBE requirements were
with their $34 million road project and so forth.
They also are looking at doing the same thing with their
two plus B project.
We talked to the new CEO over there.
They're looking at doing that.
We think that language in anything we have to approve
here should be consistent with having those results.
So if you can look at contracts, if you can look at law,
if you can look at anything to make sure that the city
doesn't spend any money unless everyone is included
fairly, not sacrificing quality, not sacrificing service
or significantly costs, then this issue of whether or not
they're the exclusion will become moot.
So the language should be removed that says good faith
and actual spending needs to be in the language to show
that there's actually spending going on with
African-American-owned companies and other MBEs.
09:32:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Reddick?
09:32:14 >>FRANK REDDICK:
If Mr. Hart comes before us later on
today, and he's stating to us that because of the
statute, we cannot remove the good faith effort from the
statute, because of the statute, and it will take other
protocol for us to make that happen, speaking just for
the city, and we're going to have that chance to discuss

this with Mr. Hart, if we're bound by the statute, and I
don't think no one going to be here prepared to change
the statute, what other consideration would you suggest
to us if we're bound by the statute as Mr. Hart is going
to state to us?
09:33:07 >> Well, the beautiful thing about a city government,
City Council is that you set -- you make new laws.
It's also important that you may be research from Fred
Karl did as the county attorney when Cohen brothers that
control 80% aggregate of limerock in Florida, sued
Hillsborough County, that funded building MOSI and
challenged them on including MBEs in the project.
Fred Karl said we will take you to the state supreme
court and the U.S. Supreme Court to win this case.
And they did.
The county government took Cohen brothers to the U.S.
Supreme Court and the discount government made sure that
the MBE program that helped build MOSI include
African-American and other MBEs.
You have the power to make the statement on behalf of the
people to your lawyers, find the legal way for us to do
what we want you to do.
We want you to make sure that we don't have issues of
exclusion.
We want you to make sure that you have inclusion in

everything that we do with the funds that we spend on
behalf of all the people who put the money in the pot,
that we use to spend the city money to buy goods and
services.
So it is just fair.
You know, if you ask me and I don't sit on City Council.
I would be up there looking to my lawyer and looking to
the city and administration lawyer to find a legal way to
make sure that we don't have good faith language in
documents when we should be showing actual spending with
these companies.
Why do you have a list of MBEs in the first place?
Why do you have people being certified when they're not
getting any business?
That causes underpinning of frustration in our community
for sure.
So we come in peace.
We come in peace, we come with respect.
We come with diplomacy and civility.
But don't forget that communities like Ferguson happen
because of exclusion.
When you have problems where people have uprisings
because they feel left out, that's because there's not
good leadership.
Now we have good leadership.

So let's go ahead and execute some more leadership.
Create new law.
Create new policies.
Create new procedures, new practices instead of the
institutional way up that you change this situation that
again is normal to do this.
Now, I'm maybe talking a little loud because this ear is
closed today.
But I can hear you out of this one.
And I appreciate you listening.
We just want to make sure that you take some action.
We sent you letters.
We have asked for you to respond and we'd like for you to
take some action on this item.
Does anyone disagree with this notion?
Can you raise your hand and tell us.
09:35:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We're not taking a vote right now.
I want -- we have other councilmembers that need to ask
some questions.
Ms. Montelione?
09:35:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you, Mr. Suarez.
As you know, Mr. Ransom, I had a workshop scheduled last
week that did not happen and was continued because we
don't have another workshop session for quite a while.
We moved to put it on the July 14th agenda.

And you know, thank you for your leadership, all of you.
And I really hope that you're here to participate.
Unfortunately, because it is scheduled as a regular
agenda item, we're not going to have the format we have
in a workshop, which I'm sad that we won't because in
workshops, you know, everybody speaks and the public has
an opportunity to speak after they've heard what
everybody said.
Because this is a staff agenda item on the 14th, you'll
have to speak during public comment at the top of the
meeting, not be able to respond.
But, you know, I've been working with Mr. Hart, I think
since I took office, because I worked with an SLBE, small
local business enterprise.
And saw a lot of flaws from that side of the desk in our
process.
I tried to work with the Mayor and the administration on
expanding what services the department utilizes to
hand-hold people through the process.
And like you said, why even have a list of minority
businesses if all that's going to happen is people are
going to check off the box yes, I reached out to these
folks.
It takes a lot of work and a lot of effort for a small
business to respond to the city's request for proposals.

And general contractors and others, so it's very
disappointing that there's no follow-through.
So thank you for that.
I just want to quickly read into the item so you know
what's included and that the general public knows what's
included in the item I've put forward.
I asked that Gregory Hart be here to address how the
process concerning WMBE, SLBE, MBE programs can be made
better to include in his report the following issues.
One, that contracts are not clear regarding goal setting
for participation and how that language can be
incorporated into contracts so that it is more clear on
what the expectations are of a contract to utilize the
WMBE, MBE, SLBE programs.
What outreach efforts does the department do themselves
and what outreach efforts are outlined or expected of
contractors and how that is documented.
Three, to provide Councilmembers with the document
entitled Tampa City Council handout May 5th, 2016, the
meeting agenda item number 2 so that information can be
discussed and to have Gregory Hart discuss some of those
things he thinks can be done better to increase the
participation.
And four, that he be requested to review and discuss how
the administration can respond to or change policies per

the suggestions and points in the letter dated may 25,
2016 as distributed by the Tampa organization of black
affairs regarding diversity, equity, fairness and
economic inclusion.
I've got a very, very thick file in my office that I'd be
happy to share with you on some of the things that
Mr. Hart and I have discussed in the past.
And where maybe some of the sticking points are so that
you can continue to be involved in the process and maybe
move this department into just, instead of a
certification and list publishing department, to meet
some federal mandate that it actually become a living,
breathing economic engine for the minority community.
09:39:43 >> I want to thank Mr. Chairman for the item with Benny
project putting in actual spending.
Situate want to remind you a you spend money every day.
And the Mayor is a powerful Mayor form of government
system.
The Mayor can call all the direct reports in tomorrow
morning and mandate signing a performance management
agreement.
And with your support, you don't have to approve any
contracts at all.
It doesn't have provisions in there to make sure that
equity and fairness and actual spending with minority,

African-American and other minority-owned groups,
companies.
So if you can at least muscle your leverage and motivate
and incentivize the administration, we'll help you with
that.
We know black businesses in the community will help with
you that.
We don't want to exclude Hispanics, anyone else.
We just want to be included.
09:40:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Cohen?
09:40:37 >>HARRY COHEN:
When I asked about this, the
administration, I was given an answer similar to the one
Councilman Reddick got, about the limitations related to
the statute.
But it seems to me, and I'm a lawyer and I don't
generally say that when I'm up here, but, because I'm not
acting in that role.
But it seems to me that the good faith language is
aspirational for the time of the awarding of the
contract, but there's nothing that prevents us from doing
exactly what you're suggesting and that is putting true
benchmarks into the contracts that can be measured.
And you're absolutely right, we have to approve all of
the contracts here at Council.
And it would be totally appropriate for us to look into

the detail that we could add to the language.
Because that I think is ultimately how you solve the
problem, is with the detail.
It's not the aspirational language that gets checked off
at the beginning, which is what Councilwoman Montelione
said.
But it's the actual meeting of the benchmarks.
And.
09:41:48 >> Is that a motion, Mr. Vice Chair?
09:41:51 >>HARRY COHEN:
No, but it's going to come up under item
number 93.
So, if this staff is watching, they have some time to
actually come in and address directly what I think it is
that you're asking for, which seems to me like it should
be doable.
Contractual language is an agreement.
If both parties agree, there's no reason that there can't
be benchmarks added into the contract.
09:42:18 >> That looks like progress, Mr. Vice chair.
09:42:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Miranda?
09:42:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Chairman, he just admitted he's an
attorney.
What did he say?
[ Laughter ]
09:42:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
He's not practicing right now.

That was it, that was a question?
09:42:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
That was a statement.
09:42:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Ransom, thank you very much.
Thank you to TOBA and the Saturday morning breakfast
group.
We really appreciate you coming up with all this
information.
You know we will listen.
Thank you, sir.
Okay we continue with public comment.
Next up, please.
Again, these are items on the agenda.
09:42:52 >> Good morning, City Council.
My name is Thomas Mantz, I am the executive director of
Feeding Tampa Bay.
I'm here to make a brief comment on the consideration of
item number 94, the food for fines program.
We understand that there are a broad variety of concerns,
resources and other factors that go into making any
decision of this type.
Here's all we would like to say to City Council.
A program of this nature could have two effects, which we
think are critical for our community.
The first of course is delivery of food to folks that are
hungry.

But the second and perhaps most important is that we have
a significant degree of people in our community who are
unaware that there is hunger to the level that it exists
today.
A program such as food for fines can be a terrific forum
and a small investment to have a certification with the
community about how many of their neighbors are hungry
and to allow the community to participate in feeding
their neighbors.
So as you all consider this, further on into the summer
and future sessions, we certainly hope you would keep
those two things in mind.
We thank you for your time.
09:44:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Okay, next up?
Yes, ma'am?
09:44:08 >> Good morning.
My name is Connie Burton.
I want to first appreciate Mr. Ransom and his whole group
for, you know, just providing a door for the Mayor and
this Council to look into.
When I hear the good faith efforts, it has a terrible
stench to it that can be say we look back in history to
language like all deliberate speed.
If we drive throughout our community, and it's very, very

painful because I can recall a time in history even up
until when the labor of African people was free and we
did not have to ask one slave owner, they'd come about
with good-faith effort.
We worked from sun up to sundown.
And now it's almost impossible to find employment for
people in our community with meaningful skills for
business developers, for people who want to move our
community forward.
I would hope that this city and under this
administration, that we don't have to be drawn into it
purpose in a fit.
But as we move and as we see this city moving along to,
in my opinion, to really whiten out and remove forced
removal of African people in the West Tampa area with
shutting down of a lot of subsidized housing programs.
It has an opportunity to readdress this through
employment efforts of our community and by changing
language that will move this city into so-called
modernizing its efforts that would give people all an
equal opportunity for employment and a good quality of
life.
Thank you.
09:46:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Next up?

09:46:05 >> Good morning, Council.
I'm bishop Michelle B Patty, P.O. Box 4624, Tampa,
Florida.
Councilman Reddick, we know you have been under the
weather.
We have come all these people to say we're glad to see
that God has allowed you to sit back.
But one thing we admire, you have never stopped your job.
You've been courageous, you've shown us great leadership
and we just want to say thank you with small token of
appreciation that job well done and we're glad that
you're back on the mend.
So we thank you and we applaud you for that.
[ Applause ]
09:46:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Bishop Patty, nothing makes councilmen
Reddick happier than have some food delivered to him.
And I know he's happy about that.
09:47:06 >> And this is from your family and friends.
And your community.
[ Applause ]
09:47:21 >>HARRY COHEN:
You'd think he's firefighter of the
quarter.
09:47:25 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.
Did you coordinate this?
[ Laughter ]

09:47:33 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Let me briefly say, I'm thankful for
this gesture here and yes, I have been under the weather
and you can tell by the weight that I have lost.
But I got one big hurdle tomorrow.
And boy, don't expect me to do this.
But, let us pray that tomorrow, when I do that CAT scan,
that everything come out good.
09:48:08 >> We claim that right now.
We claim the victory.
[ Applause ]
09:48:12 >> We love you Councilman.
09:48:18 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you.
09:48:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Reddick, you know that if you bring
that back here, we may eat it all.
So you better have someone take that to your home.
Thank all of you for being here and supporting our
colleague, Mr. Reddick, obviously is greatly loved in the
community and greatly loved up here with us.
We do appreciate everything he does for us and he is a
wise soul that we always look to for answers on lots of
different issues.
So, thank you all for being here and attending.
09:48:58 >> And we support all his decisions.
All of them.
Avenue last one of them.

09:49:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Have you seen some of the suits he wears?
[ Laughter ]
09:49:07 >> Season of surprise.
09:49:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Thank you all for being here.
Okay.
Is there anyone else in the public that would like to
make any public comments at this time?
I think we have, we have an individual that is here.
Is there anyone else that might want to line up
afterwards to do so?
Folks are leaving and we'll be able to get the meeting
going.
09:49:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Go ahead, sir.
09:50:23 >> I'm Ed Tillou, Sulphur Spring.
Ms. Capin isn't here again, so I'm withholding this about
gun control and such.
I'll wait until she shows up.
Maybe she's mad about not getting her parking, parking
permit or something.
Well, anyway, be that as it may, the handouts I sent
around, it's about climatic change and one of you finally
confessed that she's from New York, so, this is bears on
climatic change.
There was a pond in downtown New York where Chinatown is

now and little Italy.
And what stands out about that is, it's gone because they
filled it in.
And what they used to fill it in was this little mountain
next to it called Bahar's mount.
So anyway, Bahar's mount I finally realized it
coordinates with Green Mount Cemetery over on Long
Island.
That's terminal more rain.
That's how far the glaciers came.
In other words, as far as Chinatown and little Italy in
New York.
And that is what is likely to come about because for
instance, one contributing thing to that is you don't get
Volts for the city departments.
And to set the example for the community to get Volts,
which is a first step.
First step.
In that regard, the local car nitwits in the TBT they're
oftentimes having cars, people say well I can't afford
it, I can't afford it.
But there's loaners that are being sold now.
And general, they're about $28,000, because the
government gives you $7,000 in subsidy.
And what goes with that is that, is that they are

affordable.
They're oftentimes bringing up $33,000 cars as an example
of what you should buy.
And almost never have anything about Volts.
Well anyway, to add to that I ran across a British sex
prison in SoHo.
Well, there's a SoHo here in Tampa, but this is the one
in New York.
And there was this fellow Jackson that hired a bunch of
working girls in London and brought them here.
And he put them in Lessard's meadow that was more a swamp
and he built a stockade as much to protect the working
girls from wolves and bears as to keeping them from
running away.
But anyway, they service the British soldiers.
Gave rise to the Jackson whites and Jackson blacks
because he found a bunch of them --
09:53:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you very much.
Next, anyone else in the public that would like to speak
at this time?
Anything that is not set for public hearing?
I see no one.
Next up is our request by the public for reconsideration
of legislative matters.
Anyone would like to have a request for, to change any

legislative matters?
Again, I see no one.
Next up are our committee reports and our consent agenda.
The first committee is public safety committee,
Mr. Miranda is away from his chair.
Mr. Cohen is the vice chair.
09:53:59 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much.
I move items five through 14.
09:54:02 >> Second.
09:54:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Next up is our parks, recreation and culture committee,
Mr. Maniscalco.
09:54:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
I move items 15 flu 19.
09:54:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Maniscalco.
Seconds from Mr. Cohen.
All in fave of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Public works committee, Mr. Frank Reddick.

09:54:27 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Move items 20 through 29.
09:54:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a motion from Mr. Reddick's second
from Mr. Cohen.
All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Our finance committee Mr. Harry Cohen is our chair.
09:54:41 >>HARRY COHEN:
I move items 30 through 36.
09:54:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in fave of that motion please indicate by saying aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Next up is boating, zoning and preservation committee.
Ms. Montelione is our chair.
09:54:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
Before I move this item, I just want to say something
about the items that have been moved already, although I
voted for them, I do notice that we are having more and
more single source items or single bid items on the
agenda.
We had issues in the very beginning of our term as
Councilmembers and I voiced a strong opposition to having
a lot of single source contracts or single bidder

contracts.
So, I'm just with that being said, I move items 37
through 60.
09:55:28 >> Second.
09:55:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Lisa Montelione, a second
from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Our next up is our transportation committee, Ms. Capin is
absent today.
Mr. Miranda is away from his desk.
So Mr. Cohen as the alternate, please take those.
09:55:45 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Three times in one go-round.
I move items 61 through 66.
09:55:51 >> Second.
09:55:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a motion from Mr. Cohen, a seconds
from Mr. Reddick.
All in fave of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Okay.
Thank you.
Next up are three items -- excuse me, four items set for

public hearing.
Could I get a motion to set a public hearing for number
67?
09:56:08 >> So moved.
09:56:09 >> Second.
09:56:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Maniscalco, second from
Mr. Cohen.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Ms. Montelione, you want to take 68?
09:56:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Certainly, sir.
Let me get the final agenda because I'm working off the
draft here.
You just have to move it.
09:56:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Move the resolution.
09:56:27 >> Second.
09:56:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Item 69.
09:56:35 >> Move item 69.
09:56:36 >> Second.

09:56:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
09:56:44 >> Move item 0.
09:56:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Cohen, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
And number S.
09:56:52 >> Move item 71.
09:56:54 >> Sec.
09:56:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Again motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, signify by saying aye.
Any opposed?
Okay.
We are now to our 9:30 public hearings.
Items 21 through 75 are nonquasi-judicial proceedings --
excuse me.
I apologize.
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from Mr. Miranda.
All in favor of that motion to open the hearings, please
indicate by saying aye.

Any opposed?
Thank you.
Staff?
09:57:29 >> Mr. Chairman, these being second readings if you wish
to have a staff report, otherwise you can just ask if
anybody wishes to speak.
09:57:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Is there anyone in the public wish to
speak on item 72?
Please come forward.
09:57:41 >> Just want to make sure it's the item on the wrecker.
I'm Ellen Snelling, chair of Tampa alcohol coalition and
board chair of Hillsborough County, just here to support
this ordinance and very happy that the City Council has
worked on this.
I think it's a step in the right direction to help
prevent drunk driving.
Hillsborough County is number one unfortunately in DUI
arrests in the state as well as DUI-related injuries and
crashes and we're number two in fatalities.
So, anything we can do to move us in the right direction
to prevent these DUI crashes and save lives is wonderful.
This particular ordinance is publicizing really an
ordinance that you already had and it's making it more
clear to the bar owners and the staff as well as citizens
that if they had too much to drink, they can leave their

car safely without worrying about a predatory tow truck
coming and taking their car in the middle of the night.
And then they can come back the next day and get it.
So again I just think it's wonderful and I'm just here to
support the ordinance.
Thank you.
09:58:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Anyone else in the public like to speak on item number 72
in.
09:58:57 >> Move to close.
09:58:58 >> Seconds.
09:58:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion to close from Mr. Miranda, second
from Mr. Cohen.
All in favor please indicate by saying aye.
Mr. Cohen, will you please take number 72.
09:59:08 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much.
This is a really good ordinance and I'm glad that we're
able to finally pass it.
I think that it is something that will help us on that
DUI.
I move a substitute ordinance being presented for second
reading and adoption, an ordinance of the City of Tampa,
Florida, making revisions to City of Tampa code of
ordinances, chapter 14 offenses, amending section 14-48,
wrecker regulation, repealing all ordinances or parts of

ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
severability, providing an effective date.
09:59:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Miranda.
Please record your vote.
09:59:52 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Capin being absent and
Maniscalco being absent.
09:59:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Item number 73.
Anyone from the administration or anyone else speaking
about this?
10:00:05 >> Jared Simpson with the city attorney's office.
I'm available if you have any questions.
I'm not sure exactly where staff is.
They're probably on their way.
10:00:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's perfectly fine.
Any questions from Council of administration?
Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
item number 73?
10:00:22 >> Move to close.
10:00:23 >> Seconds.
10:00:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Ms. Montelione.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.

Any opposed?
Ms. Montelione, could you please take number 73?
10:00:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I move an ordinance being presented for second reading
and adoption, ordinance of the City of Tampa Florida
relating to rental certificate program making revisions
to City of Tampa code of ordinances chapter 19, property
maintenance and structural standards, and chapter 23.5,
supplemental enforcement procedures, amending section
19-5:00 authority of the director, deleting division 2,
certificates, inspections, creating division 6 rental
certificate program, sections 19-105 through 19-125,
ending section 23.5-5 schedule of violations and
penalties you can repealing all ordinances or parts of
ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for
severability, providing an effective date.
10:01:20 >> Second.
10:01:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione, seconds from
Mr. Cohen.
Please record your votes.
10:01:31 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Capin and Maniscalco
being absent.
10:01:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Item number 74.
Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on

item number 74?
10:01:42 >> Move to close.
10:01:43 >> Second.
10:01:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda.
Seconds from Ms. Montelione.
All in favor of that motion, signify by saying aye.
Any opposed?
Mr. Miranda, will you please take 74?
10:01:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move an ordinance PA 16-01 A presented
for second reading adoption, ordinance amending the Tampa
comprehensive plan future land use map for the properties
located at 3935 West Cypress Street from community
commercial 35, CC-35 to regional mixed use 100, RMU-100.
Providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict,
providing for severability, providing an effective date.
10:02:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Second.
10:02:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Ms. Montelione.
Please record your votes.
10:02:30 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Maniscalco and Capin
being absent.
10:02:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Terrific.
Item number 75, anyone in the public wish to speak on
item number 75?

10:02:42 >> Move to close.
10:02:42 >> Second.
10:02:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Ms. Montelione.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Mr. Reddick, will you please take that item.
10:02:55 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Move item being presented nor second
reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa
comprehensive plan future land use map for the property
generally located at 3905 and 3911 West Cypress Street,
would change the future land use designation from
community commercial-35, CC-35 to regional mixed use 100,
RMU-100, providing for repeal of all ordinances in
conflict, providing for severability, providing an
effective date.
10:03:24 >> Second.
10:03:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Reddick.
Second from Mr. Miranda.
Please record your vote.
10:03:31 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Maniscalco and Capin
being absent at vote.
10:03:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Could get a motion to open items 76
through 83.
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from Mr. Miranda.

All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
All those that would like to speak on items 76 through
83, please rise and be sworn in.
[Oath administered by Clerk]
10:03:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Staff?
10:04:04 >>GLORIA MOREDA:
Gloria Moreda, site plan has been
revised and given to city clerk office.
We have no further comment.
10:04:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Petitioner?
10:04:17 >> I'm Michael Horner, 14502 North Dale Mabry Highway
representing the applicant.
I'm here for any questions.
Thank you.
10:04:25 >> MICHAEL SUAREZ:
Is there anyone in the public that
would like to speak on item 76, please come forward at
this time.
Okay.
I see no one.
Do I get a motion to close.
10:04:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion to close from Mr. Miranda, second
from Ms. Montelione.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying

aye.
Any opposed?
Mr. Cohen, could you please take item number 76, please.
10:04:48 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I move substitute ordinance being presented for second
reading and adoption.
An ordinance approving the special use permit S-2 for
alcoholic beverage sales large venue consumption on
premises only, and making lawful the sale of beverages
regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor on
that certain, lot, plot or tract of land located at 5315
Avion Park Drive, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly
described in section 2, that all ordinances or parts of
ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an
effective date.
10:05:18 >> Second.
10:05:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Cohen, a second from
Ms. Montelione.
Please record your vote.
10:05:26 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Maniscalco and Capin
being absent.
10:05:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Item number 77.
Staff?
10:05:42 >> Site plan was revised and given to the city clerk's

office.
10:05:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Petitioner, item number 77?
Okay, any questions from Council, staff or anyone else?
10:05:50 >> Move to close.
10:05:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Let me ask the public first.
Is there anyone in the public would like to speak on item
77?
I see no one.
I have a motion to close from Mr. Miranda, second from
Ms. Montelione.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Ms. Montelione, will you please take item 77.
10:06:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you, sir.
I move an ordinance being presented for second reading
and adoption, an ordinance approving special use permit
S-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue consumption
on premises only and making lawful the sale of beer and
wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land
located at 1409 east 7th avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more
particularly described in section 2, that all ordinances
or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed,
providing an effective date.
10:06:35 >> Second.

10:06:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione, a second from
Mr. Miranda.
Please record your vote.
10:06:43 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carries.
Maniscalco and Capin being absent.
10:06:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Item number 78.
Staff?
10:06:55 >> Good morning, Abbye Feeley, Land Development
Coordination.
The remaining items for second reading including item 79,
80, S and 83 require certified site plans.
Those plans have been certified and provided to the
clerk.
I have additional copies if you'd like to review.
Thank you.
10:07:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Petitioner, item number 78?
Any questions from Council?
Is there anyone in the public like to speak on item
number 78?
10:07:21 >> Move to close.
10:07:22 >> Second.
10:07:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Reddick.

All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Mr. Reddick, if you could take number -- I'm sorry,
Mr. Miranda, if you could take number 78 please.
10:07:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move file No. REZ 16-34, ordinance
presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance
rezoning property in general vicinity of 3104 West Julia
Circle South in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more
particularly described as section one from zoning
district classifications RS-60 single-family to RM-16
residential multi-family, providing an effective date.
10:07:55 >> Second.
10:07:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Reddick.
Please record your vote.
10:07:59 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carries with Maniscalco and Capin
being absent.
10:08:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Item number 79, is petitioner here for item number 79?
10:08:14 >> Good morning, Elisa Martinez, I'm available for any
questions.
10:08:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any questions from Council?
Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
item number 79?

10:08:25 >> Move to close.
10:08:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, a second from
Mr. Reddick.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Mr. Reddick, will you take number 9 please.
10:08:35 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Yes, sir.
Move an ordinance being presented second reading and
adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general
vicinity of 2917 West Kathleen Street from the City of
Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in section
one, rezoning district classification, RS-50, residential
single-family to PD planned development residential
single family detached, providing an effective date.
10:08:54 >> Second.
10:08:55 >> Motion from Mr. Reddick, second from Mr. Miranda,
please record your vote.
10:09:03 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Mrs. Capin being absent.
10:09:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Item number 80.
Petitioner, here for item number 80.
10:09:14 >> Truth Becker 400 North Ashley.
We made the minor revisions requested.
Thank you for your support before and your support now.
10:09:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Anyone in the public like to speak on item

number 8?
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Okay.
Number 80, Mr. Cohen, if you could take that.
10:09:35 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I move an ordinance being presented for second reading
and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
general vicinity of 1901 holly lane in the City of Tampa,
Florida, more particularly described in section one from
zoning district classifications RS-100 residential
single-family to PD, planned development, residential,
single-family detached, providing an effective date.
10:09:56 >> Second.
10:09:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
Please record your vote.
10:10:03 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Capin being absent.
10:10:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Item number 81.
Is there petitioner here for S?
Sir?
10:10:15 >> Good morning, I'm mark Jordan, owner of 3612 West

Azeele if anybody has any questions.
10:10:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Is there anyone in the public that would
like to speak on item 81?
I have a motion from Mr. Miranda, second from Mr. Cohen.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Okay.
Mr. Maniscalco, if all take number S please.
10:10:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I have an ordinance being presented
for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning
property in the general vicinity of 3612 West Azeele
Street in the City of Tampa, Florida and more
particularly described in section 1 from zoning district
classification PD planned development office business
professional to PD planned development office business
professional, providing an effective date.
10:10:55 >> Second.
10:10:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Maniscalco, second from
Mr. Reddick.
Please record your vote.
10:11:08 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Capin being absent.
10:11:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Item number 82.
Petitioner?
10:11:16 >> Good morning.

Clay Bricklemyer.
I'm available for questions.
10:11:19 >> Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak
on item 82?
10:11:25 >> Move to close.
10:11:26 >> Second.
10:11:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion to close from Mr. Miranda, second
from Mr. Pleus.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Ms. Montelione, if you could take item number 82.
10:11:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
I move an ordinance being presented for second reading
and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the
general vicinity of 3004 west Julia street in the City of
Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section
one, from zoning district classifications RS-60
residential single-family and RM-24, residential
multi-family to RM-24 residential multi-family, providing
an effective date.
10:11:57 >> Second.
10:11:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione.
A second from Mr. Miranda.
Please record your votes.

10:12:09 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Capin being absent.
10:12:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Item number 83.
Petitioner?
10:12:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's very dramatic.
Two came up at the same time.
From up here, looked very dramatic.
Go ahead, sir.
10:12:26 >> Like a game show.
John Grandoff, Suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza here on
behalf of the petitioner.
I'm here also on behalf of my partner Gina Grimes who
could not be here this morning.
We respectfully request approval on second reading.
10:12:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Is there anyone -- go ahead, sir.
10:12:49 >> Good morning, I'm staff, Ron Vila with City of Tampa
historic preservation department, here to answer any
questions.
10:12:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Is there anyone in the public would like to speak on item
83?
10:13:00 >> Move to close.
10:13:01 >> Second.
10:13:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from

Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Mr. Miranda, if you could take number 83.
10:13:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move file SU-II-15-08, ordinance
provided for second reading and adoption, an ordinance
approving a special use permit S-2 approving a catering
shop at CY-12 Ybor City residential neighborhood in the
general vicinity of 2406 east 8th avenue in the City of
Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section
one hereof, providing an effective date.
10:13:33 >> Second.
10:13:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Reddick.
All in favor of that motion, please record your vote.
10:13:40 >>THE CLERK:
Motion carried with Capin being absent.
10:13:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
We cannot open our 10:30 hearings yet.
Even though it is just a continuance.
There are some -- there is one item that needs to be
removed from the agenda.
I believe that is item number 98.
If I can get a motion to do so.
I have a motion from Mr. Reddick, second from

Ms. Montelione.
And the movement will be to July 14th, 2016.
Under staff reports.
Okay, I have a motion from Mr. Reddick, second from
Ms. Montelione.
All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Let's move on to item 85 staff?
Anyone here to talk about this particular resolution,
modification, sub grant agreement?
This is a contract that we have.
Anyone here?
Yes, ma'am?
10:14:38 >> Good morning, I'm Deirdre Joseph and I'm here to
answer any questions.
10:14:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any questions on item number 85 of our
staff?
We'll wait for Ms. Montelione.
10:14:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I did have just a question about what
this -- I'm very interested in emergency management
services and making sure that we have the proper tools
should the worst happen and we get hit by a storm or some
other natural disaster.

But could you just -- there's not a lot of language when
I read the agenda item.
It just said that the parties desire to modify the
existing agreement.
This is a 2, almost $3 million item so I was curious as
to what that meant.
10:15:36 >> This is our urban area security grant, the grant ends
June 30th.
We have one big project that is not quite complete.
So we have asked for an extension on our grant until
August the 15th.
10:15:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Are you at liberty to say what that
grant does or what -- what we get out of the grant and
what this does for us?
When it comes to these things, sometimes you're not at
liberty to say.
10:16:06 >> I am at liberty to say.
10:16:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Oh, good.
10:16:10 >> This grant is for homeland security to prevent acts of
terrorism.
And so the projects are selected from a committee.
The project in question that is not yet complete is a
purchase for Tampa fire.
We're buying a bulk foam container and the vendor is not
yet complete.

10:16:28 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
You're buying a bulk?
10:16:31 >> Bulk foam container.
10:16:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Okay.
I'm not sure I know what that is.
10:16:37 >> To put out fires.
10:16:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Okay, sorry.
Well, that's a very good thing.
$3 million is a lot of money, so I'm sure it's a lot of
foam.
Thank you very much for explaining that.
I always with items, I like a little more description in
the agenda item so we know what we're approving.
I'll move the item.
10:17:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione.
Second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Item number 86, anyone like to take that?
10:17:17 >> I move item 86.
10:17:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying

aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Okay.
Number 87.
Anyone.
10:17:31 >> Move 87.
10:17:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Is there anyone that wants some questions
answered on 87?
10:17:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm good with 87.
10:17:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda.
Seconds from Mr. Cohen.
All in favor of that motion, signify by saying aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
10:17:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Move item 88, sir.
10:17:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione, second --
10:17:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I have one thing.
10:17:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Let me go ahead and get the motion set,
then do the discussion.
Seconds from Mr. Cohen.
Discussion?
10:17:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I know --
10:18:02 >> Brad Baird, public works and utility services

administrator.
Items 88 and 89 are associated with replacing our
utility, or our existing multi-services system, which is
our billing system for solid wastewater and wastewater
and it's a 25-year-old system that we are getting ready
to kick off an implementation program to replace it.
10:18:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any questions?
10:18:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I just want to make a statement.
This is about, I don't know, 5.8 million and when you add
it on to the other contract, it's about 11.8 million
total.
I hope in case something else in the future this Council
may or may not add on, something that this computer
system can do and save $5 million and not pay somebody
else the $5 million to collect something we may or may
not pass in the future.
That's all I'm asking.
I had to speak in general terms.
I think the gentleman in front of me is very capable of
saying yes or not.
10:19:12 >> Not only save money, will improve customer receivables
greatly in those three areas.
10:19:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Any other questions or comments?
We already have a motion on the floor.

All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
89?
10:19:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
So moved.
10:19:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda.
Second from Mr. Cohen.
All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Before we go on to 90, I have been requested to see if we
can move up item 95.
We have our major from Tampa Police Department to come
and provide any report about Walmarts.
It is Mr. Reddick's motion.
If you could wait a moment, Major, and see if we can't
get Mr. Reddick back here to talk about that item.
Number 90.
10:19:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Anyone like to move that one?
Go ahead, sir.
10:20:09 >> Good morning, Greg Bayor, parks and recreation
director.
I'm here to answer any questions.
10:20:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any questions?

10:20:22 >> Grounds work for the cemetery, I move the item.
10:20:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Have a motion from Mr. Cohen, second from
Mr. Miranda.
All in favor, please indicate by saying aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
[Inaudible]
10:20:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Everybody dying to get into that last one.
Number 91?
Any questions?
Of staff or anyone else?
Can I get a motion?
10:20:45 >> Move the item.
10:20:46 >> Second.
10:20:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a motion from Ms. Montelione, a
second from Mr. Miranda.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Now, we will move on to item number 95, Mr. Reddick is
back here.
Major, if you could come forward.
10:21:00 >> Good morning, Council.
My name is Major Lee Bercaw.

I'm here on behalf of Chief Eric Ward, who is out of
town, reporting back to your questions in reference to
95.
So the first request was on the number of calls received
from the Walmarts in the City of Tampa, particularly the
Walmart on East Hillsborough Avenue.
Can you guys see that?
10:21:37 >>HARRY COHEN:
We don't have it up there.
10:21:44 >> It's on your screen.
10:21:45 >> All right.
So if you look at this graph, this highlights that the
city has 7 Walmarts and it's a 2015-2014 year comparison
on the number of calls.
You can see that the New Tampa locations are most active.
And that the Walmart on east Hillsborough and particular
that you requested opened on May 20th, 2015.
And they had 452 calls for service.
The next slide, the graph here, this one highlights the
same 7 Walmarts with the first four month comparison of
2015 versus 2016.
And here you'll see a marked decrease in the number of
calls.
With the New Tampa Walmart still being the most active.
However, it had approximately 40% decrease.
We can't compare the new Walmart, again because of the

opening date.
So the nature of these calls, the majority of these calls
are self-initiated calls and proactive patrol calls, not
calls directly called by Walmart.
For example, crime prevention activity, building checks,
roll calls and so forth.
So the majority of those calls are specific to our own
initiation.
10:23:07 >>HARRY COHEN:
I think Councilwoman Montelione has a
question.
10:23:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm extremely curious about why Bruce
B. Downs location is so much higher than the others.
Do you have specifics?
10:23:22 >> It's our initiative, we're doing roll calls there.
We have the school that lets out, Wharton high.
So it's not that particular Walmart in calling us.
It's us putting ourselves out there and preventive
measures.
10:23:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Oh, that's really misleading.
Looking at the bar chart because it looks like that.
10:23:38 >> It's total calls.
10:23:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That there's a preponderance of
burglaries or incidents at the Bruce B. Downs Walmart.
It's exactly maybe the opposite where you're doing roll
calls there.

Boy, I feel a lot better now.
Thank you.
10:23:54 >> So the next one is on arrests.
In this particular chart it shows the number of arrests
compared to 2014 versus 2015.
Also the same first four month comparison.
As you can see year to date, outside the Walmart on
Hillsborough, overall arrests are down.
The new Walmart in Hillsborough does have the most
arrests.
It has 121 year to date, January through April.
How far, that number has significantly declined due to a
new program that Walmart has started there.
So, those were the questions that were in the motion,
were the number of calls and number of raises with the
focus on the east Hillsborough.
Any questions you may have.
10:24:50 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I think you had the opportunity to meet
with Walmart representatives recently?
10:24:56 >> Yes.
Actually the article came out and we met on
June 8th after the article.
But that meeting in my opinion was not necessary.
We have been meeting with Walmart and working with them
proactively well in advance of this article.

I believe that we have been on the cutting edge with
communicating back in 2014 when the -- not the New Tampa
but the Dale Mabry Walmart was spiking.
So my opinion we have been ahead of the curve with
Walmart.
10:25:22 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Well, good.
And I've had the opportunity about two weeks ago or three
weeks ago to meet with four representatives executives
members of the Walmart management team to discuss this.
And even though there seem to be a decrease, you still
had over the year up to, a large number of individuals
who caused made to law enforcement.
And from my understanding talking with Walmart and from
what I have read and done research on, is that the
problems for TPD, for example, receiving all these calls,
these are minor offenses that would take a resource from
other areas of the community to come and answer call at
Walmart.
Now, I do understand that they're trying to start a
diversion program, where, that they're utilizing their
own personnel staff, what they explained to me, to those
who arrested for items less than $25, that they would try
to put them in some type of diversion program or
prevention program, to educate them or to discuss with
them and to avoid them having any type of criminal

record.
That's all in good, but one of the questions that Walmart
refused to answer when I raised the question is why they
don't hire additional one off duty law enforcement
officer or too, why they refuse to hire security
personnel with security guards at their stores.
And it seemed to me that with the prevention program
they're doing and they're doing it internally, instead of
getting law enforcement involved, they're trying to save
money.
And that's what it come down to to me.
Every time I had the discussion with them about getting
security personnel, whether off duty police officer or
hiring some kind of security firm to be there, they
avoided that question and they continued to talk about
this diversion program.
Let me just ask you a couple questions.
Even though the numbers seem to be going down, and the
store on east Hillsborough, for example, I think it only
been open about a year.
10:28:02 >> Since may 20th, 2015.
10:28:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.
And you start out with a high number of calls to that
store.
And you got a high number of arrests to that store.

And I have seen -- and I frequent that store a lot and I
see one on-duty TPD officer that would be stationed out
there to the store.
But that store be packed all the time.
And I remember when they first opened, when they just had
the grand opening ceremony, where you almost had anywhere
from 13 to 18 thefts, people arrested for theft on the
first day that it was open.
There seemed to me to still be a problem with Walmart and
Walmart position that they're making these calls and even
though I agree that your numbers have gone down, but do
you feel comfortable that the programs that Walmart has
in place now will reduce the number of calls to TPD or
other law enforcement agencies on minor offenses,
especially under $25, because I remember one incident
where somebody walking around the store drinking one
liter soda.
And they made a call.
To TPD.
And do you feel the current program they have in place
now is something that TPD can work with and avoid taking
TPD officers away from their duty and responsibility
serving the community, to go answer minor offenses at
Walmart?
10:29:49 >> I do.

And here's why.
The article that was written was global and it wasn't
focused on the City of Tampa.
And that particular Walmart and the Walmart on Dale Mabry
do hire extra duty officers.
The Walmart on east Hillsborough began hiring us in
October of 2015.
Prior to that it was the sheriff's office.
They pay for an officer 7 days a week from 6:00 a.m. to
11 at midnight.
And on top of that, this cap program you're refugee to,
we have already seen a marked improvement.
It was a beta test at the Dale Mabry location.
We convinced them that it would be a good idea to look at
that other Walmart.
Walmart was actually already on it and expanding that cap
program, which is the diversion civil diversion program.
Just to give you an idea of how the arrests have changed
at that particular Walmart and Hillsborough since the cap
program started, in April of 2016, we had 17 arrests.
In May 7, in June, year to date, we have only had two.
So we are already seeing a marked, not only the number of
calls but the number of arrests.
So, I'm confident that this article didn't change
anything that we have done.

If this article wouldn't have happened, everything I'm
reporting to you would still be the same because we have
a good rapport with Walmart.
10:31:15 >>FRANK REDDICK:
From your perception, do you feel that
the article was misleading?
10:31:18 >> No.
The article was focused on the entire global area.
It wasn't the City of Tampa.
It referenced other counties as well, entire region.
10:31:27 >>FRANK REDDICK:
All right.
And last question I have is that, you take the Walmart on
east Hillsborough, for example, with the capacity that
they have and the number of customers they receive almost
on a daily basis, do you feel that they have adequate
security personnel in place to manage the capacity that
they receive per day?
10:31:54 >> You know, I didn't do an analysis on that.
But based on just my common knowledge, yes, and in
particular, that Walmart on Hillsborough, yes, because
they've worked with us on all their shoplifting
prevention and things and they've communicated with us.
So based on, without doing an investigation, just on
common knowledge, I do feel comfortable that they are
putting forth their due diligence there.
10:32:19 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:32:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any other questions or comments to the
major?
Major, thanks so much.
Appreciate it for being here.
Okay, it is 10:30.
Before we go on to our next item, if I could get a motion
to open the hearing, sock 30 hearing for item 84.
Motion from Mr. Miranda, all in favor of that motion,
please indicate by saying aye.
Okay.
I need a motion to continue this hearing to August 4 at
10:30 a.m.
10:32:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Move the motion to August 4th,
10:30 a.m.
10:32:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on
the continuance of number 84 only?
I see no one.
Thank you very much.
All right.
Item number 92, Ms. Duncan if you could come forward.
10:33:14 >> Good morning, Councilmembers.

Got a couple handouts here I thought might be helpful.
If you don't mind me passing those out.
10:33:46 >>HARRY COHEN:
Not too get too personal, Ms. Duncan, but
how late were you at the MPO hearing last night?
10:33:53 >> Let me just say I'll let my lateness of last night be
a factor of any failings in this morning's presentation.
Apologize in advance.
Was a late night for many of us.
Even those that weren't in attendance may have been tuned
in on their TVs at home and was quite an interesting
evening.
10:34:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
But it was rivetting TV.
10:34:17 >> Some of us, yes.
That's what we call drama in the transportation world.
Just wanted to come before you today to do my best to
answer some questions and speak about an interest that
was presented when I was here, I believe it was back in
March.
At that time, Go Hillsborough of course was over our
heads, a lot of anticipation.
We weren't sure which direction that was going.
Of course we that information now.
And there was also some interests from the information
that presented last time, we have been before you a
couple times as some follow-ups to an audit that was done

last year on our pavement management program.
And last time I was here, I was sharing a little bit
about our good news, that we have completely updated our
entire pavement condition index, what we call PCI.
I'll share a little bit about that with you in a second.
I will try to be brief for our three Councilmembers that
were there last night.
But I share with you last time what I feel is good news
about our citywide pavement condition index.
And just to refresh you on that I'll show one of your
handouts on the Elmo here.
Don't know if I can get the whole thing on here.
Just to put the City of Tampa's pavement condition index
into context with a number of other cities that are
similar population in size, we are very pleased we have
accurate data now that tells us what our overall rating
is and we're pleased we're right in that target industry
range and in with our other peers, with our pavement
condition for our roadways.
So, we're real pleased about that information and
encouraged we have a good database now.
We have put some better protocols into place that are
going to continue to update that information on a regular
basis.
And so, as we go forward each year with planning our

budget and our priorities for our roadways, we're going
to know that we have good information to base those
decisions on.
Just wanted to also share a little bit, when we say
pavement condition and we throw these numbers, 60, 70, 80
out there, what that really means.
This is another helpful diagram.
Basically this is just a rating chart that shares a
little bit about what those different categories are.
I mentioned City of Tampa is a 71, our citywide average.
And those are the city collectors and local streets.
That category, pavement is mostly requiring preventive
maintenance and showing low levels of distress.
Obviously you can see from this chart that the ranges go
all the way from excellent, which is essentially anything
80 or above is essentially continually resurfacing the
streets to a new condition.
Which we know, we did some research and I think there was
one small city in California, a very high salary income
that has something in that range.
But that's virtually not found anywhere because it's not
realistic to have that type of an investment in this
asset.
Obviously as you go down, the ranges get lower and the
condition deteriorates.

And what we want to be making sure is that we don't let
our roads deteriorate to the point where that asset needs
a bigger investment to rebuild the actual roadway.
We want to continue to do enough investment to keep the
roadways safe and rideable and meeting acceptable
standards without getting to the point where it fails and
becomes unsafe and it requires a bigger investment to
keep it in the condition it should be.
So, again, I just want to reiterate that we feel very
comfortable with the range that we have and I also want
to mention that we do separate our collector roads from
our local roads.
Local roads being our residential streets.
The collector roads have higher traffic volume, higher
traffic loading.
They're more critical in terms of evacuation and detour
routes.
And so, we have all of our collector roads at a little
bit of higher rate to make sure the range that they need
to be in were keeping up with that investment so those
collectors don't become a serious condition.
So there was an interest in putting more investment into
this particular asset -- sorry.
10:39:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Keep going.
10:39:27 >> Losing my train of thought here.

Apologize.
There's an interest in putting more investment in this
particular asset.
And that certainly is always an interest to try to invest
more into the assets we have.
Our constant balancing act is taking the monies we get
from our one dedicated fund source that we have for
maintenance, which is our gas tax, and spreading that
over the variety of needs we have with our 550 traffic
signals, our 50 plus bridges, our sidewalks, safety
projects, pedestrian upgrades and so I feel that right
now we are comfortable with where we are in terms of our
investment this year with this particular asset.
We're always interested in finding ways to do more.
We constantly are seeking DOT funding.
We're very pleased that we have redevelopment going on in
the city, which is improving those roadway assets.
We do collect about $1.7 million a year average in impact
fees.
Those impact fees go directly back into the roadways.
Much of which is a resurfacing component.
So, that's sort of my overview of our situation with our
resurfacing investment.
And if I could take any questions or answer any
questions, I'll be happy to do so.

10:40:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Cohen?
10:40:53 >>HARRY COHEN:
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
A couple of items.
First of all, congratulations on the overall number.
And I know that it's great news, everyone's thrilled that
Westshore is going to reopen, South Westshore is going to
reopen on Friday.
Three weeks ahead of schedule.
So I'm sure everyone who has been inconvenienced by the
various different detours down in Sunset Park and Beach
Park are going to be thrilled about that.
The fact that a lot of our roads are in good condition
still means that there are certain number that are not.
And I have to tell you that there are, as you know,
places right now where you are replacing water pipes.
And I have sort of a two pronged question about that.
The first is, after that work is done, sometimes can be
very, very extensive and disruptive to the pavement, are
those streets repaved after it's complete or are they
just sort of patched back up and left in whatever the
condition is that they are at the end of the project?
10:41:58 >> That's an excellent question.
Couple things on that.
One is, we are continuing to improve our coordination
ongst all of our public works departments to do the

best we can, there's always strings on money and certain
schedules are what they are.
But to the best extent that we can coordinate and align
our projects, for example, water project and resurfacing
project.
We have that situation in Bayshore Beautiful, for
example, where we have coordinated with the water
department, actually and the wastewater department in
that case and they will go in and do their utility work.
They will patch -- I'll use that word, the roads when
they're done.
And when they are completely out of the way, we will come
in, TSS, transportation stormwater services and resurface
those roads.
Another thing that's going on that's improving our road
situation is, there's a new protocol issued by our
administrator Brad Baird, and that is when utility is
going in and digging into the road, they're now required
to replace the full width of the roadway segment.
What that's doing, that is allowing for a seam to not be
created in the middle of the road and that seam becomes a
compromising situation for the roadway, where water is
seeping in.
We wouldn't put a leaky water pipe back in for the water
department.

So they are now not putting any leaky roadway surface
back in for our roadways.
So those two things are going to help incrementally to
improve the road condition whenever a utility work is
done and also improve coordination of doing a full,
proper resurfacing when a utility project is done and not
just having a patchwork quilt.
10:43:46 >>HARRY COHEN:
My last question, I have to ask you about
the work being done on Palm Drive in Bayshore gardens.
We had a major project that we approved in that
neighborhood.
I believe on first reading the other night.
But, you know, I live over there and I have to tell you
the contrary to what I believe Councilman Miranda may or
may not have somebody served, honestly it's the worst
I've ever seen in terms of how bad the, the pavement and
the construction are and how -- it's by the way right,
you know, as you know, a bus route as well.
Is there a plan to do something over there once all this
work is completed?
10:44:27 >> That is another project where the water department is
going in and then putting back the segments that they are
repairing.
In that case we're not following with a full resurfacing,
we are on Bayshore Beautiful, just because the schedules

didn't line up that way.
But Bayshore Gardens is another area that's on our radar
for that type of improvements.
Other thing I want to mention that we're doing that will
help a situation like Bayshore Gardens is, often when we
have these pavement condition index averages, areas are
averaged and there's often a segment within an area or a
couple streets within an area that are practically in a
failed condition.
But everything else is so good, the average becomes
acceptable.
So we have another change we have made in our pavement
management program where we are looking within those
pockets, it's more efficient to go out and do a pocket or
an area all at one time than a little piece here, little
piece there.
But often those pockets have a segment in it that's fade
or in very poor conditions and we are going out and doing
a segment under our in-house maintenance team, repairing
those segments or just those one or two blocks of roadway
within a neighborhood.
And that way they're not -- that portion of the
neighborhood is not getting overlooked.
So we do have Bayshore Gardens on our outlook.
10:45:53 >>HARRY COHEN:
I think it should be on your radar, there

are probably 700 to a thousand new units going into that
neighborhood in the next 18 months.
There's going to be huge amount of construction.
And if it collides with the kind of work that's going on
right now and the pavement conditions, it really is a
recipe for gridlock.
I just want to make you aware of it.
I know you already are.
But it really is a matter that has been coming up a lot
lately.
So thank you.
10:46:19 >> Yes, sir.
10:46:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Ms. Montelione?
10:46:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
I was wondering -- thank you for this information and
putting the procedure in place to track the progress.
And I was wondering, could this information be broken
down even further by area of the city?
So whether by transportation improvement area, I mean,
are boundaries that you already have set, maybe, I don't
know, code enforcement boundaries, as they break the city
up into three different sections.
Somehow that we can see comparison of the different --
I'm not going to ask you to do it by Council district
because that would be a boundary that would be tough for

you to develop or program.
But you already have the transportation improvement area
boundaries in your systems.
And maybe that could shed light on where the hot spots
are for improvement.
So you know, all of us can advocate for those projects as
we go along.
10:47:26 >> We have a full database.
We have a full inventory of the city.
And we can query to see where those hot spots are.
That's part of how we make our decisions of where we need
to make our investments for the assets.
So that's part of how we are making those decisions now.
10:47:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Could we -- I'm not sure if I want to
make this as a motion, but if we could get that
information, maybe on a quarterly basis, or maybe even
biannually.
I don't think quarterly is even necessary.
10:48:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
You want to make that into a motion?
10:48:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I will make that as a motion.
For the benefit of ya'll, because I won't be here for the
first report.
So I move that the Department of Transportation and
stormwater maintenance and engineering provide a
breakdown of pavement condition by transportation

improvement area -- would that be a good -- is there a
different?
[Inaudible]
10:48:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Okay.
By Council district.
10:48:45 >> We know those boundaries very well.
[ Laughter ]
10:48:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
The improvement area is something they
already have in the system.
If it's just as easy to do it by Council district, that's
just as well.
And that would be delivered to Council on a biannual
basis and that could be as a received and filed report.
10:49:05 >> Certainly.
10:49:07 >>HARRY COHEN:
Second.
10:49:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Ms. Montelione, second from
Mr. Cohen.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Anything else?
10:49:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Only other thing I would ask is
informally if you could provide each of us an updated
schedule of the paving projects that are either under way
now or scheduled, we can get a look at what is on your

radar because we have schedules, but they're I think
dated.
So if we can get new ones, now that you have this
information and you have a new way of scheduling those
projects, I think all of us would like to see what those
are.
And again, by Council district because that's how we have
always been provided those reports.
10:49:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Another motion?
10:49:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That is another motion.
10:49:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Do I have a second?
Have a second motion from Ms. Montelione, second from Mr.
Cohen.
All in favor please indicate by saying aye.
Any opposed?
10:50:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I didn't put a date on that.
As soon as you can get it to us.
Thank you, Ms. Duncan.
10:50:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any other questions of Miss Duncan?
Ms. Duncan, a quick question for you.
The pavement condition index is an interesting thing.
Here's the thing that I saw.
First of all, A, I like that number.
71 is a good number.
I'm glad to see that we're moving up in terms of the

number.
Here's the thing that I have a problem with, is that the
comparisons are to relatively dry and not so hot places
except for Clearwater.
And I guess my question is, how do we compare to the kind
of hot, humid conditions that we have here, because
obviously if you compare Chicago to New York, you've got
a little bit of, of something that is similar, which is a
cold climate, they deal with ice and sleet and the salt
that goes onto the roads and stuff.
We don't have any of that we have other types of things.
Clearwater may have more salt in the air and more salt in
their conditions than we do because they're closer to the
water.
So, how much does the area in which they are at affect
the PCI of the roads?
And I assume there is something to that, if you don't
mind addressing that.
10:51:20 >> Oh, you're absolutely right.
The water table, the environment, if there's snow, of
course snow translates to water, which is basically the
same as, effect as rain.
The cold, the heat cause expansion, contraction, so those
environments definitely are a factor.
And I wasn't meaning to give you a good snapshot --

10:51:43 >> MICHAEL SUAREZ:
No, no, that was not the intent of the
question.
The intent of the question was, we're doing very well.
You know, how do we compare to let's say Miami or an
Orlando or something like that?
And I know you did it based on similar population and
land area.
Clearwater is significantly smaller than us but they
probably have, if I recall, a fairly big area that they
cover similar to us.
But I just wanted to know, are we topnotch in the state?
Are we middle?
Are we, you know?
10:52:13 >> I can pull some specific data on that but I can tell
you to be at a 71 is a very good place.
I also want to say that there might be folks not agreeing
with that comment.
But it's not the aesthetics that is driving that number.
The looks may not be what someone thinks should be a good
rating.
But the rating is based on, as you know, the asset
criteria, the cracking, the base condition, the safety of
the road, so we could have a local road that doesn't look
that great.
It's a little bit bumpy.

But it's not unsafe and considering the resources we have
and the condition of that particular asset, it doesn't
rise to the top of needing investment and it doesn't rise
to the top of being considered, you know, poor or at risk
or anything like that.
So, the aesthetics is often what people are judging their
view of this.
But that's really not the factor that's developing these
ratings.
Some give you an answer without specific data, I would
say we are very comfortable if not ahead of many of our
other cities because this is a very good rating to be at.
And if others that are at this rating are taking the same
focused approach on this, and putting the right asset,
the right investment in this asset to be able to have
that level.
10:53:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Not to mention that it's hard for us to
compare some of them because they may have specific taxes
that go directly into the roads.
So they may be higher than us or close to us because of
that investment that is made at each one of those local
levels.
Most of the cities that you mentioned here, except for
Clearwater, usually have the power to do referendums and
to do other taxing packages that allow them to put money

into their roads.
So, I mean we're stuck at the mercy of some other folks
across the way here and sometimes we don't get what we
think is comparable amount to some other cities.
Now in terms of, and here's the thing, because when I'm
looking at these lists, obviously, San Francisco, you
know, Oakland, Aurora is another place that has a fairly
good medium income.
Tulsa, Oklahoma is really considered because of oil and
everything else, they have a very wealthy area over
there.
So I'm as wondering where we're at in terms of this.
And the performance is great.
I appreciate it.
Not that we should do better but I know we need to
identify those areas in which we need those additional
dollars because if you look at what the motion was,
Ms. Montelione put three subsets in there concerning the
referendum, which we're not going to be talking about now
because there is no referendum.
And you know.
10:55:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Sad, sad, sad.
10:55:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
There's a lot of sad things that we have
to deal with unfortunately.
One last question in terms of the paving.

I know that we have talked about this almost, you know,
ad nauseam about the paver and some of the issues
concerning the paver and the purchase, the number of
hours that have been operating and so on.
Let's get this to an end game at this point if we can.
Which is, the paver itself we are still looking at trying
to sell it back, correct?
10:55:41 >> Yes, sir.
10:55:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Is it operating at a level that allows for the warranty
to still be in place?
10:55:49 >> Yes, it does.
10:55:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
So how many, if you know off the top of
your head -- if you don't, that's fine -- but how many
roads or how many jobs is it doing now as, when it's
operating?
Because it may be, you know, is it doing three miles of
road, one mile of road?
And again, I just want to know to see where we're at with
this thing.
10:56:09 >> I really don't have that particular information but I
can tell you, within the next month, we'll be making a
decision to keep it until established date of next
August, or whether to go ahead and salvage it and sell
another very old paver that we have, we call it the Lee

boy, whether we should salvage the bigger paver and the
Lee boy and buy something, somewhat in the middle of
those two pieces of equipment that can be a little more
efficient for the need that we have and still get the
best return on our original investment.
So we'll be probably making that decision within the next
month.
10:56:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
When you say next August, you mean 2017?
10:56:51 >> Yes -- 2017, yes.
10:56:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Just to make sure.
Because you said next August.
10:56:58 >> Years, August of next year, 2017 is our date of, when
our contract is up, so to speak.
We have between now and then to make that decision.
But we feel like we can probably make that decision
fairly soon.
And decide which is the best way to go and so we'll
definitely be doing that.
10:57:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Any other questions for Ms. Duncan on this item?
Ms. Duncan, thanks so much.
Appreciate it.
10:57:25 >> Thank you.
10:57:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.

Next up we have item number 93, Mr. Hart.
10:57:30 >> Good morning, Gregory Hart, manager, small business
minority business development.
I'm here to address the Council item changing the term
good faith efforts.
I do have a few overhead slides that shouldn't --
10:58:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Hart [Inaudible]
10:58:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's perfect.
Move it back.
10:58:13 >> Don't use it every day.
Hope not to.
10:58:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We don't pay you to use that.
10:58:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
We don't have Vince Pardo any more to
lend a hand.
10:58:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
You were good.
Those two paragraphs are everything?
10:58:34 >> There's about four slides.
10:58:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Well, just put it for that one right now
and you can move it when you get to the next one.
That's perfect.
Go ahead, sir.
10:58:42 >> So, thank you.
If you could bear with me.
Again, here at your request to address changing the term
good-faith effort as relates to the city's program.

The good-faith effort terminology, the origin of that
terminology I think is important to understand.
Good-faith effort is a legal doctrine which has been
applied by law in both commercial and noncommercial
contracts.
To essentially require bona fide actions by contractors.
The universal good faith effort definition as it pertains
to women minority business, small local business and
disadvantaged business programs is as follows.
Good faith effort means commonable action steps or
efforts taken by bidder or contractor to achieve the
woman minority business and or the small local business
participation goals.
Actions that by their scope, intensity and
appropriateness to the objective can reasonably be
expected to full till the program requirements to attain
the participation.
The reason or justification for adopting this term and
its methodology is because of the be enabling authority
and good faith effort legislation that guides us to do
so.
Those enabling authorities include the United States
federal government, under title 49, code of federal
regulations, chapter 26 and other sections and chapters,
mandate use of good-faith efforts terminology by all

public governing bodies that are recipients of federal
funds.
I need not tell Council the extent to which federal
dollars are co-mingled in both our operating budget and
capital budget.
I'm sure there are many items before you today that have
a sprinkling of federal funds.
The state of Florida government, Florida Statutes title
19, under public business and procurement, chapter 287
mandate use of good-faith efforts terminology.
We are an entities under the state of Florida.
Hillsborough County government, board of county
commission resolutions pertaining to operating policies
and procedures, mandate use of good-faith efforts
terminology in the administration of county, women
minority business, disadvantaged minority business and
small business enterprise programs.
We are a entity under the jurisdiction of Hillsborough
County.
And last but not least of course, the City of Tampa
municipal government, City Council, you, under your code
of ordinance 2008-89 Chapter 27 mirrors the county,
state, federal legislative guidelines.
City policies mandate use of good faith efforts
terminology.

Thought it would be helpful to share also a few of the
Tampa multi-jurisdictional partners that implement
good-faith effort terminology.
Just wanted to give you a sampling.
We collaborate in many different ways with all these
agencies. We refer a certified firms to them and vice
versa.
And we take advantage in marketing and providing
opportunities to our small minority business community.
Some of those multi-jurisdictional partners that operate
across jurisdictional boundaries include Hillsborough
County contracting departments.
The Tampa Hillsborough County Aviation Authority, TIA.
Good faith effort terminology methodology.
The city of Orlando, Florida, which we have collaborating
in reciprocal kinds of policies and relationships with.
Orange County, Florida.
The same here.
We have various collaborating and reciprocal kinds of
policies in place with them.
The St. Petersburg economic development procurement
department, the state of Florida of course.
All these state agencies subscribe and adhere to this.
Miami-Dade Florida and there's the county school
district.

We have some, we have done some dealings with them as
well through refusals and collaboration.
The Jacksonville airport, Palm Beach, Florida, I just
wanted to name a few.
Essentially I could have probably three or four or five
other slides here to tell you how many jurisdictions in
the state of Florida subscribe to this terminology and
methodology.
In conclusion, where I like to emphasize to you.
Good-faith effort, GFE, is the national standard and the
prevailing best practice.
It is one of the primary tenets that upholds the
constitutionality of using race, gender, conscious goals
in the award of public contracts.
GFE, the terminology and guideline is codified in
federal, state, county and municipal procurement contract
law.
GFE, good-faith effort, the methodology documents and
quantifies the practical action steps to identify,
recruit and secure women, minority business and
enterprise conclusion to reach contract goals.
GFE is the rule of thumb in Tampa Bay metropolitan area.
And beyond.
Beyond those borders.
The at-large vendor community is familiar where

complying, they understand that noncompliance results in
rejection of their bid or proposal and they become
ineligible for award.
Which we have done and do quite often.
My recommendation is that, or my findings is that a
change in terms and methodology would, one, it would
deviate from statutory and regulatory conventional
guidance.
It would create dysfunction and hamper our effectiveness
in implementing the program.
It would likely cause confusion and dissension by the bid
community.
And would expose the city to litigation and likely result
in us having to suspend argues of contract goals on our
contracts.
Having said that, my recommendation is that we do not
deviate.
And I cannot support the change.
With that...
11:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you, Mr. Hart.
Any questions?
Mr. Cohen?
11:05:34 >>HARRY COHEN:
You know, based on the conversation we had
earlier this morning, I don't know if the issue is so
much about the language as it is about the accountability

and the results.
And I guess the only question I would have before the
others I know will want to weigh-in is, what can we do
to, legally with our contracts, to tighten up holding
vendors accountable for acting in good faith?
Because ultimately this is about results.
It's about wanting to create results in the community.
So, what could we do to make the contracting process
more, more in line with that goal?
11:06:20 >> Councilman Cohen, in my opinion, I think there's
evidence to support my opinion, it is very tight.
We have processes.
We have documents that are required to be submitted.
We perform desk audits.
We do contract line compliance to determine whether or
not our subcontractors who are certified are being
properly paid.
We have prompt payment requirements, et cetera.
I have shared with all of you through material submitted
previously some of those documents and how they're
utilized.
We provide in the bid document, we actually hand feed
contractors.
We do part of their good faith efforts in some sense in
that we give them a list of available certified firms,

which we mandate and require that they contact and break
down the economical -- economic feasible portions of the
contract, which we want them to submit quotes on.
I shared with Councilman Reddick the rejection desk audit
and surveys that we perform.
And where we reject and have recommended moving on to the
next low bidder.
So I just wanted to summarize that.
It is very tight.
It is perhaps one -- we broach in my opinion the envelope
or the border when it comes to the legal sufficiency and
defensible actions that we take to ensure compliance.
11:07:58 >>HARRY COHEN:
You talk about how you deal with bidders.
What about with actual contractors?
Have you ever actually suspended a contract because of
noncompliance?
11:08:07 >> Absolutely.
We have rejected contracts.
We have not renewed contracts.
There's probably I believe one of or two on your agenda
this morning that's second low bidder.
11:08:22 >>HARRY COHEN:
Okay.
Thank you.
11:08:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Ms. Montelione?
11:08:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you very much.

I just asked my aide to get my other file that I have on
some of the discussions that we have had over the years.
You and I have spent a lot of time together back a while
ago.
You know, I come at this with a different spent because I
was on the other side of the program.
You know, I was the one, my boyfriend's company was a
registered SLBE with the city of Tampa.
When I was running and got elected, we requested that
certification be removed and not renewed.
But I have firsthand experience with how the program
works as a subcontractor.
And I remember the agony that we went through as a, you
know, two-person working administratively, me and Josh
and he was out doing everything else that's required when
you're in the construction business.
And the painful process to respond to a request for, it
was the Sulphur Springs recreation center.
When it was being built.
It took us several days to put the package together.
And at that time, believe it or not, we were still being
requested to submit this bid to the general contractors,
to the prime contractors, who were bidding on the project
by fax.
So I sat there literally, I am not joking, for two solid

days and responded to 27 different contractors, primes,
who were bidding on that project.
We never heard back from anyone.
I had to call them repeatedly to even get them to
acknowledge that they received the information.
And then I had to call them repeatedly to find out the
status.
And that, you know, in that time, it was during the
downturn in the economy, so these 27 companies that were
bidding were all over the United States.
I would suspect that it's changed a bit now.
But there's nothing required of those contractors to ever
utilize any of the respondents.
All they have to do is check the box that yes, we reached
out to the minority small business, WMBE, SLBE,
businesses on your list, but we prefer to use the people
that we have always used.
There's nothing that -- there's no teeth.
And to have the false hope that someone is an MBE, SLBE,
WMBE, or any of the other acronyms, in the minority
contracting business or small local business contractors,
to have that hope that this, that you're going to
actually get work out of this is sometimes false hope.
We have no requirements of, built into the process.
And although the good faith language may be, you know,

standardized across jurisdictions, I've always and I
think others here have always said well, you know,
there's no harm in being first.
To set a precedent, to set an example, to be a leader.
And to have language in there that maybe others can
emulate.
And you know, when we come back on the 14th of July, for
the next discussion about this, and expanded discussion
about this in relation to the motion that I made, I hope
that there's some other suggestions that you can come
forward with to make this a better process.
I just got, you know, thank you, Mr. Shelby, for the
copies.
Thank you, Mr. Hart, for the copies.
There's no qualifier for demonstrable actions or efforts
taken by a bidder contractor.
Simply sending in the fax or responding now by email or
something is all you got to do.
They can ignore them.
They can just throw it in the trash.
11:13:41 >> Ms. Montelione, I respectfully disagree.
One of the packets I provided you at one of our last
meetings gave you a sampling of some of those documents.
A lot of things have changed perhaps in 7 years since
that incident that you refer to occurred.

Short of a quota approach or system, the contractor is
obligated to consider your quote, is it competitive
within the peer group that you represent?
They may select a different certified firm.
They are not required, short of a quota, to use you
regardless of your price, your capacity and experience.
It is still a competitive environment which the law
requires us to promote.
We do so within the confines of focusing on small and
minority businesses, ensuring they get to compete within
their peer group and that the, and that we have a level
playing field through our initiatives.
To give them more opportunities, like sheltered
marketing, like the ten evaluation points out of a
hundred in RFP and CC and A requests for proposals.
We are operating at the maximum extent possible under
confines of law.
Many things have changed.
So I think a lot of what you are concerned about has been
addressed and I can, when I come back, perhaps I'll have
the time to reference and we can walk through some of the
steps, documents and requirements.
11:15:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well --
11:15:26 >> But I do understand.
11:15:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I hope you're right, that things have

changed.
But by the evidence of TOBA and being here this morning
and sending us this letter and advocating the way they
have, it's their opinion as well that it's still, you
know, not sufficient to accommodate the spending of city
dollars with the minority community.
11:15:50 >> I wasn't here this morning.
I did hear on my over there was a representative from
TOBA presenting some statements.
I would ask the Council and community hold TOBA
accountable for what they're stating.
I certainly would make myself able to inform them of the
law and the program and the issues that we are vigorously
addressing.
Any information that they provided I would simply ask,
what's the basis of that?
At least provide some evidence that we can respond to.
11:16:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, you had said that you didn't
receive a copy of the letter that is dated may 25th and
the accompanying document that they sent with it.
At the last Council meeting, my aide made a copy for you
and you were provided that.
Since that time you have not been in touch with them to
discuss this?
11:16:49 >> No I haven't.

I understood that July 14th, a lot of that information
would be provided.
11:16:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I guess my suggestion would be for you
to be more proactive.
So if you say you haven't heard from them and you were
provided by my office a copy of their, their document and
their request, that maybe you might pick up the phone and
call them.
11:17:11 >> We are proactive.
I spoke with Mr. Ransom directly.
He's been to my office.
But regarding this information that you were given and we
were not, a week or two ago, correct, I have not since
last week.
11:17:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Okay.
Thank you.
11:17:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Reddick?
11:17:27 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
And just to follow up on the discussion colleague just
stated and from what we heard this morning, I did have a
meeting with you and went over a lot of this stuff, but
you know, it seemed to continue to be a lot of
apprehension and we got that this morning from three
people that were representing the TOBA and Saturday
morning breakfast group.

And one thing they stated that, I don't think we never
done or had discussion about it, but I thought it was a
good idea, and it's not about the -- I think it's finding
the right language that can be acceptable to a lot of
people.
And one of the things they stated and I was just looking
at our agenda for July.
I see where Ms. Montelione is at, you coming back on the
14th with a, to address certain issues.
And what I was thinking by based on what they suggested,
I'm going to probably do this in the form of a motion,
Mr. Chair.
That you meet with the legal department to determine some
language that you can present to us on the 14th that
would address this good faith effort that we was talking
about and basically want to do is see how we can make
sure that the people receiving contracts from the city,
that they will, that they're hiring those people that is
on your MBE list in the form of providing them the
contract.
And I think that's one thing they suggested, that maybe
getting with the attorney and reviewing language that can
be acceptable and I'm thinking of putting this right.
11:19:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Reddick, second from
Ms. Montelione.

Discussion, Mr. Miranda, you want to discussion that
motion?
11:19:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I just want to thank Mr. Reddick from
bringing it up.
Nowhere in any conversation this is brought up has the
legal department been involved that I know of.
I'm glad you brought it up, Mr. Reddick, bring up the
facts.
The facts are the language is per missable, change are
necessary and what are the changes not acceptable to law?
That's where we're talking about, law.
Not this law, all the laws of the country.
I want to make sure all, I'm sure Mr. Reddick made that
motion in that sense, make sure everybody's got a fair
shot.
That's all I want.
Thank.
11:20:16 >> MICHAEL SUAREZ:
I have a motion from Mr. Reddick,
second from Ms. Montelione, as I mentioned before.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
I have just one last thing, Mr. Hart.
And I think that what Mr. Miranda and what Mr. Reddick
are saying is extremely important because we are mixing

two different issues, which is the process that you have
to go through in order to meet federal and state law and
the outcomes of those contracts that we keep awarding on
a weekly basis to contractors that may or may not be
following our particular processes.
And there was some ideas that Mr. Ransom brought forward
to us this morning that deals with outcomes.
And part of the problem with outcomes and I think that
the legal department will probably share that with,
that's been attacked in other jurisdictions also
constitutionally, so we need to make sure that we follow
everything possible so we are not constantly being taken
to court because we have put together something that we
think is right but is not legally defensible.
At the same time I think there are some things we might
be able to change in order to reinvigorate or out reach
and reinvigorate the way we get folks contracts
throughout our whole system.
So I appreciate you being here.
I know you do not have a very easy job.
You are one of the most pigeonholed administrator we have
because you are strapped in by state, federal and county
ordinance and it is a very difficult job to have.
So we appreciate you being here.
Thank you for your insight.

11:21:48 >> Thank you, sir.
Do I appreciate that.
11:21:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any other questions from Council?
Mr. Hart?
Mr. Hart, thank you so much.
11:21:55 >> Thank you for your time.
11:21:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Item 94, staff?
11:22:02 >> Director of the parking division got called away on an
emergency.
I'm not sure how long it will take.
I'm here to answer any questions.
I've provided a chart and a memo to Council that has
additional information that we were able to obtain from
other jurisdictions that had this type of programs
available.
And that was generated by contacting those jurisdictions,
the ones that we were able to get in touch with or would
call us back.
11:22:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Terrific.
Any questions from staff?
Mr. Maniscalco?
11:22:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Certifications I've had with the
legal department and parking division to see how we would
work this food for fines program, we of course would have

to ask for an ordinance to be presented which would amend
the parking code to allow for alternative form for
payment for parking citation.
In this case it would be food.
Looking at how other cities, other jurisdictions have
done this, to give you a rundown, you get a parking
ticket, parking on the street in downtown.
It would be limited to within downtown.
Let's say it's $25.
You would then be within the certain period of time,
which I've laid out would be from November 14th to
December 16th, you would be able to bring in food item, a
canned food item, a maximum of $15, which would be one
dollar per item, so $15 maximum.
You would then pay the remainder of the parking fee,
whatever it be, $10.
It would be of course for street parking in downtown.
A question that came up in the last conversation we had
was, who will pick up the food, you know, will we require
city staff to organize it, take care of it, pick it up?
We have feeding Tampa Bay, which is an umbrella group
that would come in on a weekly basis at no charge and
pick up the canned food.
They in turn would take it to their distribution center
and it would be other organizations, for example,

Metropolitan Ministries, which is in support of this.
Salvation Army, which is in support of this, or any other
group that goes to feeding Tampa Bay, would be eligible
to be picking this up.
Now, another question that came up was, the parking
division and revenue and scraping by for every dollar and
what not, you know, we looked at their numbers.
We had the, you know, we had more than expected so far
this year and the reason is we had the hockey playoffs,
which generated a little more money.
Couple events downtown.
Generated a little bit more money.
So we have to see what is the financial burden if any on
the City of Tampa.
I looked at Lexington, Kentucky, they collected 6200 cans
when they began their program.
That would be $6,200.
It's basically, it's peanuts, it's a drop in the bucket.
In comparison to what, to any loss of revenue.
We have made it up with numbers more than expected
because of, you know, playoffs and what not, other
events.
So, from financial perspective, you know, it's minimal,
if any, on the impact.
I think what this does is, it brings awareness, the

gentleman mentioned, it brings awareness to the issue of
hunger, the shortage of food.
This, you know, won't be anything huge but it opens the
door to a more conversation.
And that's, that's really it.
I think it's very simple.
Easy to understand.
We can try it for this year.
It will run for that limited period of time from the
14th of November to December 16th.
Not a year long thing.
And if it is successful we can use this model to
determine if we want to move forward with it in the
future.
So, basically that's it.
Unless anybody else has any questions.
11:26:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
That's okay.
I'll run the meeting.
[ Laughter ]
Are you done, Mr. Maniscalco?
Okay, Mr. Miranda.
11:26:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Everything I've heard is honorable
from Councilmember Maniscalco.
However, I have a very difficult problem anyway taking
any revenue from an enterprise fund.

That's why the enterprise funds.
They've got to create their own revenue.
They've got to function, pay the debt, they got to pay
the insurance, they got to pay everything for all the
employees, the maintenance, buying of equipment,
everything from that enterprise fund.
So once you start with one thing, history tells me you're
going to have others want the same thing.
First of all, I think today and I think 10 years from
now, I'm not an attorney, don't plan to ever be an
attorney.
At my age I plan to be just who I am.
However, I'm going to act like an attorney.
If somebody gets a parking ticket before this goes in
effect and after, they have the right to go to court.
What is the judge going to say?
I don't know.
But we're creating something, or the possibility of
creating something in the cities that were mentioned, I
don't know if they have enterprise funds.
I don't know if they're all funded by the general fund.
I don't know anything about that.
So it just to me is a start that will deteriorate those
revenues from that one department.
And that one department is the only department that

didn't see too clear in the past, in other words, they
were in the red.
Every time you looked at them, they had a problem.
We sold the only parking garage we had that was making
money.
We did a lot of things in that department and then say
you fix yourself.
Well, they have fixed theirself.
I don't want to start again on that one department,
taking away something that they may need in the future.
Have you looked at the city budget that was given to us,
presentation of it last week by Ms. Little, there was
some gloom.
Not too much glow in it.
A lot of us minus five million here, minus three million
here.
So 6500 may be a drop in the bucket.
But not to me.
65 cents to me is not a drop in the bucket because money
is still money.
Taxpayers deserve anybody that got a parking ticket to
pay for it, just like they did.
It's an honorable thing Mr. Maniscalco wants to bring up.
In fact, I'll match Mr. Maniscalco's money if he can't to
give to the poor in any amount he wants.

11:28:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Don't take that bad, Mr. Maniscalco.
Mr. Miranda, anything else?
11:28:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
That's it.
11:28:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Is there any other questions or comments
before we go forward on this?
Ms. Montelione?
11:28:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
I was just, I was trying to write down what was being
proposed.
You're going to propose language for an ordinance and
then we'll have the ability to take a look at it.
And go forward from there.
It's just, I'm thinking where else do we have parking
meters in the city?
It's only downtown.
[Inaudible]
11:29:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I guess --
11:29:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Before you go forward, I have some
questions that I want to ask the legal department.
Is there any other questions before I ask any questions?
Mr. Reddick?
11:29:17 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Just one question.
That is, what is the position of the parking division?
Are they supporting this idea?
[Inaudible]

11:29:26 >>FRANK REDDICK:
And the legal department has no
objection?
11:29:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We'll ask the legal department.
11:29:30 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I'm sorry.
What is the position of the legal department?
11:29:36 >> The legal department will do whatever --
[ Laughter ]
11:29:45 >>HARRY COHEN:
I'd like to know Ms. Little's position.
11:29:49 >> The parameters, I'm not sure.
Staff is not here.
11:30:00 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Have you received any feedback from the
finance department?
11:30:04 >> Excuse me?
11:30:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Have you ever received any feedback from
the financial department?
11:30:08 >> No, we haven't.
I can reach out to them.
11:30:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Let me, I have got a couple questions.
Now, legally, I think Mr. Miranda brought up a point
about when we start something like this, and it's a
temporary thing.
Here's the idea.
How do you write an ordinance to make it temporary?
Obviously that's going to be your job.
We're not going to try and figure that out.

So that is a doable thing to go forward, correct?
11:30:36 >> Yes.
11:30:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Secondly, is one of the questions that he
asked about those folks that get it just before the
program starts, versus those people during that timeframe
that get a ticket.
Has there been any discussion or any thought from what
happened in some of these other municipalities concerning
that particular issue?
11:30:56 >> I'm not sure about the other municipalities but the
parking division had recommended in a couple of meetings
that no tickets be, be able to participate in this
program that were received before the timeframe.
Just the tickets that were received.
11:31:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
During the program timeframe.
11:31:26 >> During the program.
11:31:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Is that a month period?
I think, based on what Mr. Maniscalco says, looks like
it's a 30 day period.
11:31:34 >> Yes, sir.
11:31:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
So we're talking about a 30 day period,
short-term, it's something we can do in the ordinance.
There seems to be no problem from the parking division
concerning the financial part of it taking out of the
enterprise fund.

If I said anything incorrectly, just make sure that I...
11:31:53 >> I think there was discussion of the 3-dollar maximum
in some of the meetings.
11:32:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Wait.
You showed up just in time.
Don't sit back down.
Come on up here.
I don't know why staff likes to sit all the way in the
back anyway.
We're asking some questions specifically about this
issue.
Yes, ma'am.
Some of the things that Mr. Miranda brought up in terms
of parking division on this limited program, in terms of
your department, do you have any issues with the amount
of money being taken out of your budget by virtue of it,
people being able to pay with food and so on during a
park ticket situation?
11:32:39 >> Department of logistics and asset management.
In terms of money being taken out of the budget, of
course that's going to depend on how many tickets we have
and how much money will be short during that time period.
So that is a possibility that that could be an issue
depending on the amounts of money.
If we're talking only a hundred dollars or so, that's

negligible.
But once we start talking about thousands of dollars,
then yes, that could be an issue for us.
11:33:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
So there may be, and obviously we are now going to be
working on the budget for 2016-2017.
You're not going to know that impact because the program
looks like it's going to start in November and end in mid
December.
So, based on your best guess and based on some of the
information from all these other municipalities, do you
think that it would be a significant drain on your budget
if we put together some independent kind of program
similar to this?
11:33:34 >> To your point, yes, we won't know the exact impact
until next year.
Based on what some of the other municipalities have done,
I don't think it will be that significant.
But again, I can't speak definitively on that till we see
what the numbers are and how many tickets are issued
during that timeframe.
That varies, depending on events, depending on what's
going on downtown.
So, there's a lot of unknowns for us before I can just
give you a definite answer.

11:34:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
Terrific.
I need to ask the legal department something, one last
thing.
I apologize.
Was there any issue, this was during the last discussion
we talked about this, on Council.
Was there any issue with a voucher being signed by the,
by the receiving end of the meeting, feeding Tampa Bay,
for it to be used for a ticket and was this any legal
ramifications or problems with doing this?
11:34:30 >> No, there are not.
11:34:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We can do that, that shouldn't be a
problem.
I believe, Ms. Lattimore, that's no problem with your
department if someone presented a voucher, is that
correct?
11:34:41 >> Yes.
That should not be a problem.
We have not done that before.
We have to work out logistics in terms of how to make
that work but I don't think that should be a problem.
11:34:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
The reason I ask that, I give this to the
rest of the Council in terms of my tee idea, which is I
would rather not have food stuffs at our offices to be

picked up.
Even if they're picked up daily.
I would rather it be a voucher program so they go to
feeding Tampa Bay, deliver it and get that voucher.
Only reason I say that because I don't want our employees
to be the recipients of anything that isn't regularly put
together.
And again, that's up to you to put, design and put as
part of your ordinance.
That's just my suggestion.
I would feel more comfortable having a voucher program.
But that's up to you, Ms. Maniscalco.
I'm done with my questions, Ms. Montelione?
11:35:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
People going to feeding Tampa Bay to
get the vouchers served another purpose as well, is that
they're supposed to what feeding Tampa Bay does and what
their mission is and perhaps by visiting the facility to
get the voucher, they might be inspired to continue a
relationship with feeding Tampa Bay.
So I think that also served some of the emphasis of
bringing a highlight to helping those who go hungry in
our community.
And maybe to help Mr. Miranda with some of the numbers.
Mr. Maniscalco, Councilman Maniscalco is going to make a
motion to bring back language and maybe whenever that is

scheduled for our calendar, Ms. Lattimore, you can bring
back typically on average the number of citations that
are, you know, issued tore those 30 days.
So looking back last year, the year before, you know, we
have got historical data.
11:36:33 >> I can do that.
11:36:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So might be able to put a number, an
approximate number on what, you know, the revenue impact
might, or lost revenue impact might have.
11:36:44 >> I can do that, yes, ma'am.
11:36:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
11:36:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Any other questions before I go back to
Mr. Maniscalco?
Mr. Miranda?
11:36:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I just want to again say I'm not
against feeding the poor.
I'm not against anything regarding the city already has
an opportunity, I believe once a year they pick up food
through the employees.
We already have that.
What I'm against is going into an enterprise fund that is
supposed to take care of all they're service, to create
the revenue and their expenditure within that fund and
future councils may remember this day and do something
else to your department or any other department now

because this council is cracking the door for that
opportunity to happen.
And if they don't think they'll hit the other funds,
they're wrong.
They'll hit the other three remaining funds, solid waste,
wastewater and water.
Not that we're going to do it but any future council,
once this is done, can set an example for this happening.
It may not be 65 cents or $6,500.
That's what I'm opposed of.
These funds and those enterprises were created for a
reason.
And the reason is, you do your efficiency based on your
revenues.
You only have to spend what you collect.
And that's what I'm opposed of.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
11:37:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Reddick?
11:37:59 >>FRANK REDDICK:
One last thing.
I'm just wondering, why we're doing this in an ordinance.
And versus, since this is going to be temporary 30 days,
because I'm afraid that when we do an ordinance, this has
to get the signature of the administration, the Mayor.
And you're talking about 30 days.
Have you gotten feedback from the administration, whether

they're in support of this?
11:38:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Nobody beyond the CFO.
Not the Mayor himself.
The CFO said it would be, it wouldn't be significant.
Any loss of revenue on something of this magnitude.
Which is small stature.
11:38:45 >>FRANK REDDICK:
If we do it as a resolution, would it
accomplish what you want to do as well?
11:38:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Either way.
Do we have to put forth an ordinance to amend the parking
code to allow for this method?
Legal heal wouldn't we have to do that regardless?
11:39:01 >> That would be the reason for the ordinance, it would
be to allow an alternative form of payment.
It wouldn't specifically state --
11:39:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Separate resolution would put forth
the specific parameters then.
11:39:20 >> Right.
11:39:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
That answers that question.
11:39:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Hang on.
Too many people talking at once.
Okay, Ms. Hardy, you have something concerning the legal
issue brought up by Mr. Reddick concerning does this have
to be put into an ordinance in order for us to go
forward?

11:39:37 >> Not the fines specifically.
11:39:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Do not have to put it into an ordinance
for the fines?
11:39:44 >> Right.
11:39:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Apologize, Mr. Maniscalco.
Just want to make sure the legal department got it out.
Mr. Reddick, any other questions or comments currently
before I go back to Mr. Maniscalco?
Ms. Montelione?
11:39:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I guess just is this going to be a
one-time thing or is it going to -- because my opinion on
modifying the ordinance is, correct me if I'm wrong, just
to allow for an alternative form of payment.
It doesn't establish the program.
It doesn't detail out the program.
It just allows for an alternative form of payment.
So, you know, I'm not sure -- I don't remember the last
time I got a parking ticket in the city.
I know I have gotten them in the past.
But, the, there may be other times where that might be
beneficial.
Where we don't have to go back and change the ordinance
for an alternative form of payment.
I mean we right now are having a revolution in where you

can use your mobile phone to pay for things.
So, you know, we accept checks.
We accept debit cards.
But maybe an alternative form of page in the future might
be, you know, whatever they are, Google pay or, you
know, iphone pay or whatever they're calling those
receivables, so it might be beneficial just to have it in
the ordinance so that we can accept other forms of
payment in the future, because the program details itself
aren't going to be in the ordinance.
So I would be in favor of just adding that language for
alternative forms of payment in the ordinance for a much
broader reason, which I think is the unintended
consequence of what you brought up, Mr. Maniscalco.
But it works.
And -- there was something else I was going to say.
If we change it in the ordinance, it's permanent.
We don't have to come back and do something different.
I think Ms. Little is here.
She's been watching us on TV.
11:41:47 >> I just wanted to make one point about the ordinance.
The change of the ordinance would be specifically related
to a section 15-121, penalties for parking violations.
The proposal to amend the ordinance will imply there.
But we could put it in the future, if you want to discuss

it putting in other parts of the code.
11:42:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I just think it would be beneficial.
11:42:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Ms. Little, since you are here and you
made the trek all the way from across the way there, if
you could comment on the impact on the budget of this
particular idea.
11:42:36 >> Yes, sir.
We had some discussions internally and also Councilman
Maniscalco and I also had some discussions.
When we presented the mid year, we did present the
information on the parking system and that revenues did
come in greater than budgeted for FY16 that we're
projecting because of increases in our parking receipts
due to the playoffs.
And, but moving forward, we do have capital needs that
have been deferred within the parking system.
That those revenues will be used for moving as we plan
out FY16.
I believe, and I may have messed up a bit of this in
coming over.
I believe in our discussions, Councilman, we were talking
about an estimated $6,000?
11:43:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
That was using Lexington, Kentucky's
number.
May not even be that high.

That's just using that.
11:43:34 >> I think using that, but the question was could it be
absorbed?
Yes, it can be absorbed to Councilman Miranda's point, it
is an enterprise fund, where revenues are used to operate
the system.
So if it's Council's request that we move forward, at
those levels, of course those monies can be used within
the system.
We can use avenue penny in the system.
Beyond is that, I start to get very, very concerned and
the concern about it is that we really don't know how
much, but if we're talking in the range of 6,000, so I
really can't tell you really the impact because we done
know if a hundred percent of the folks are going to come
in.
So if it's in that area, the system can absorb it if
Council wants to move forward with it.
But again, keep in mind it is an enterprise fund where we
use every penny to run the system.
11:44:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Thank you.
Any other questions of staff concerning this issue?
If not, Mr. Maniscalco, do you want to make a motion
concerning a resolution for the legal department to come
back?

11:44:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
First I'll do an ordinance to amend
the parking code.
For the specific tile period, if it's possible to do
between November 14th, 2016 and December -- to
December 16, 2016, to allow an alternative form of
payment for parking citations, which would be canned
goods in this case or the option of having a voucher
should folks want to go directly to feeding Tampa Bay.
11:45:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Now you're asking the legal department to
come back with a draft of an ordinance?
11:45:11 >> Yes.
11:45:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Maniscalco.
Do I have a second?
11:45:17 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Second, just having the legal
department.
11:45:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Come back with the ordinance.
11:45:21 >>FRANK REDDICK:
I'll second it.
11:45:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Maniscalco, second from
Mr. Reddick.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
11:45:31 >>Miranda voting no.
11:45:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Now, Mr. Maniscalco, do you need to do a
resolution?

11:45:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Yes, sure.
So, I move that a resolution be drafted for these
specific parameters of this program, which would be one
dollar per canned food item.
And a maximum credit of $150 applied to a current parking
ticket that would fall within November 14th, 2016 to
December 16, 2016.
This would be limited to street parking here in the
downtown area.
We would also allow for the voucher from a feeding Tampa
Bay to be applied at the $15 maximum credit.
If not, give folks the option of dropping off the canned
food items at the parking division, whereas feeding Tampa
Bay would be responsible for the pickup, which they would
do on a weekly basis at no cost to the city.
11:46:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Now we have a motion from Mr. Maniscalco
for that resolution.
That also is being drafted by the legal department.
11:46:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Yes.
11:46:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Do I have a second on that resolution?
I have a motion from Mr. Maniscalco, I have a second from
Ms. Montelione.
Before we go forward, clerk, do you have all that down?
Okay.
And Mr. Maniscalco, I'd ask you to maybe get it, put it

in writing so the clerk has it and the legal department.
So those parameters are brought back to us exactly as you
stated.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
11:47:05 >>FRANK REDDICK:
Did we approved the date.
11:47:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I don't think we approved a date.
11:47:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
If we could come back to regular
Council meeting August 14th.
Under staff reports.
11:47:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
So we have our motion.
We have our seconds.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
11:47:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Aye.
11:47:25 >>THE CLERK:
Miranda voting no.
11:47:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Clerk, just for procedural matter, the
first vote was that also already put down as August 4th?
11:47:33 >>THE CLERK:
Yes.
11:47:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
If the maker of the motion, is that
enable to you to have it come back at the same time?
11:47:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
Yes, August 4th, same time for vote.
11:47:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Do we need to make that in a motion.
We have that under -- okay.

Terrific.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for appearing.
Before we go to our last item, number 96, we have items
that have been moved and asked to be continued.
Item number 7, I need a motioning to continue this to
July 14th.
11:48:00 >> So moved.
11:48:01 >> Second.
11:48:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, I have a second
from Ms. Montelione to move that to July 14th under staff
reports.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you.
Item 98 has already been re-- excuse me, needs to be
removed from the agenda.
If I could have a motion to that effect.
Motion from Mr. Maniscalco, second from Mr. Miranda.
All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying
aye.
And the last item is item number 99.
That also has been requested to be moved to August 4th.
11:48:33 >> So moved.

11:48:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Reddick, do I have a
second?
I have a second from Ms. Montelione.
To move that to August 4th under staff reports.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Thank you.
Last item up is item nuke 96.
Staff?
11:48:57 >> Gloria Moreda, land development.
I have not prepared anything for this item.
I wanted to discuss it with Council and get a better
clarification what pop-up zoning was.
I know that probably about a month ago, Councilmember
Montelione and I had a discussion when the central
business district regulations were coming up.
And I'm assuming it was following that that the motion
was made.
I wanted clarification as to exactly what you meant by
pop-up zoning.
I'm assuming it's really a pop-up business use.
That you don't anticipate commercial zoning appearing in
a residential area.
For brief period of time.
11:49:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well...

11:49:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Go ahead.
11:49:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you.
It I wouldn't be permanently, I mean just the idea of pop
up, it wouldn't be permanently changing the zoning for a
business.
But it would allow for, you know, an outside the norm of
what that zoning category would allow.
11:50:08 >> In any zoning district?
11:50:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
In any zoning district.
I mean --
11:50:14 >> So you are saying that you would like a commercial --
11:50:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm saying any zoning district
Ms. Moreda because I try to get things simple and not
complicate things by saying well, you know, come up with
this complex matrix of where you can do this, where you
can't do this.
Mine at your suggestion, and you're the professional,
that they would be certain zoning districts that it would
make sense and it wouldn't overcome my indicate things.
Then you know, I would be open to that.
I think conversations with the downtown partnership or
some of the Channel District folks would be helpful, or
the, I think they changed their name recently.
The southeast Seminole Heights business guild.
I know they changed the name but can't remember what they

changed it to.
To talk to them, because this really comes out of ideas
that each of thoughts groups either individually or
collectively have come to me and asked for.
11:51:13 >> I mean, I have researched online the notion of pop-up
retail shops, pop-up cafes.
And for example, in a commercial district, CG zoning, all
those uses, retail, restaurants, all permitted uses,
okay, so, the concept of a pop-up shop going in a CG
district, for instance, is really not necessary in terms
of the zoning types amendments.
Retail's a permitted use.
I think what you're indicating is that for a period of
time that they are not required to meet parking
requirements, for instance, if it is an increase in
intensity of use.
I think I would like an indication to a direction as to
the length of time you feel these uses could be on the
property.
And the intensity that you perceive these uses.
11:52:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, the general nature of pop-up, 30
days or less.
Some are only for one night.
Some of them are for a week.
I mean, they're very, very short and hence, the idea of

pop up.
And you know, there are folks who are, you know,
either -- like the same concept with food trucks.
You know, somebody can't afford a brick and mortar
restaurants starts with a food truck and then blossoms
into a business.
If someone wants to test out a concept and see if they
gain traction for this new business.
11:52:51 >> Is there a size limitation you would perceive?
11:52:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I think all those details could be
worked out either, you know, behind the scenes or in
talking with the business, the business community.
And to find out what it is that they would like to see.
11:53:09 >> The only other thing that I wanted to say and I have
Mr. Snelling here representing the construction side of
the world.
But you know, zoning is one code.
We also have building code and fire codes that present
life safety issues.
Zoning doesn't trump them.
So all these code provisions when you are going into a
vacant building, are required to meet those code
requirements.
11:53:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Well, I mean we had the state of the
city address in building in Tampa Heights that wasn't yet

completed.
When the RNC was here, they had parties in some of the
historic buildings, the Kress building I think downtown,
they had to go through a lot to get it up to that
standard.
But they were only there for, you know, a week or two.
So, you know, maybe it's also some, it would require some
kind of expedient permitting, you know, accelerated
process.
Because they're only going to be there for a week.
You don't want, you know, this entrepreneur to take three
or four months to get a permit to operate that's only
going to be for a day.
So, you know, I want to take a look at the burdensome
nature of the process.
11:54:37 >>THOM SNELLING:
The notion of an expedited process to
agrees these kinds of things, we could certainly look at
that and see where that takes us.
In each of those examples you gave, Councilwoman, at the
state of the union address there was a fire watch, so
they went in and --
11:54:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
State of the union?
State of the city.
11:54:58 >> State of the city, I'm sorry.
The Kress building was the same thing.

Kress building when those buildings was used for the RNC,
they had fire watches.
They went in and did a lot of work prior to that, to meet
the fire safety codes, meet the building safety codes.
So they did still have to meeting all those codes.
None of those codes were waived.
I really see -- the fire safety code and the Florida
building code, is the entire state.
It is not a whole thing.
None of those kinds of things are waivable.
Looking at that kind of stuff, it may be both beneficial
or most desirable to look at them more expedited process.
That's certainly within the realm.
I will say I do have professional reservation about
allowing a commercial use to pop up into an RS-100
neighborhood.
Or RS-60 neighborhood.
You have nothing but a single-family suburban kind of
look, like in Beach Park or sunset park or some of those
areas.
And someone says I want to try this concept and my friend
is, he's away, he's in France, you know, for a month.
I'll just go into his house and use his kitchen and open
up a restaurant and see what happens.
That's like a real slippery slope if you have that kind

of thing.
It's like everything, our code book didn't go from eight
and a half by five, 40 page document to be something
where it's huge, because everybody was so magnanimous and
always conscientious of his neighbors.
It was because exactly opposite to that because people
hey, I can do this, so I would say to look at this very
thoroughly and to be very cautious.
We did talk to Mr. Barrios and he would be here, he's got
a personal issue he has to deal with today.
11:56:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I'm sorry to hear that.
11:56:57 >> Yeah.
Thank you.
And we also, I also had a certification with Jay trainer,
new fire marshal over at construction service.
And Jay was going through his list.
But there are self folks who will have to sit down, the
guilds and the business folks that you talk to, you
probably would also have to broaden this out to the
other, [Inaudible] those kind of neighborhoods, they're
going to opine.
11:57:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And that's if we go the residential
route.
It may just be industrial, commercial, retail, retail
office, that kind of thing.

11:57:32 >> It's like what I said --
11:57:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Mr. Snelling, we're not reinvent the
wheel.
They do this in a lot of other cities.
So we could probably lift language from other cities.
11:57:42 >>THOM SNELLING:
Gloria has been online and found
different examples of temporary use.
11:57:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
How much time do you think you need to
come back with something?
11:57:50 >> Three and a half years.
[ Laughter ]
11:57:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Is that the date of your retirement,
sir?
11:57:57 >> Well, July 15th is the -- no, what I'm saying is July
15th is the next cutoff for text amendments for the
zoning code.
So I would say if you're wanting us to amend the code,
you know, we would, could probably try to work in that
next cycle for text amendments.
11:58:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That seems kind of quick.
11:58:20 >> I won't have the language done by then.
But I don't believe that Ms. Coyle will have much of the
language done there.
11:58:29 >>THOM SNELLING:
Right now, Cathy who would be the author
of this, you know, we could supply her with the

information but she still would --
11:58:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
So what's the next cycle?
11:58:39 >> January.
We can bring back a report back to see what we think the
parameters.
11:58:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
That's after November.
11:58:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
That's what I was just thinking.
11:58:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
May I make a suggestion, Ms. Montelione?
Maybe if you do make a motion for them to come back to
narrow it to the central business district and
Channelside so we can see about doing it there.
Because you made very good examples of the Kress
building, some other things we've done here locally.
And then secondly, to give them that timeframe that they
look at some of those other great experiments that have
been done with other cities and which pop-ups have been
very successful.
That's my suggestion to you.
11:59:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
I mean we could -- downtown,
Channelside.
11:59:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Ybor City.
11:59:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Ybor City, Seminole Heights.
How about those four?
Seminole Heights is a hot happening place.
11:59:29 >> If you limited it to the commercial zone, commercial

areas.
Gloria and I were talking, the allowable uses in Channel
District, central business, Ybor City, are pretty broad.
You can contemplate probably not any big zoning.
Seminole Heights might be a little dicier.
As you know, you have a commercial strip --
11:59:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Bill liked that you referred to them
as a little dicier.
12:00:00 >> Not them.
The process.
Because as you know, they have the commercial strips on
those, or commercial immediately backed by residential.
12:00:10 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
If anyone was going to do something,
it would be in those edgy neighborhoods like Seminole
Heights and Channelside.
12:00:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Excuse me.
Before I ask for more time, Ms. Montelione, do you want
to bring this in for a landing?
12:00:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Yes.
I think we have discussed they have parameters now is
what they were asking for.
We have input from other Councilmembers.
If you think you can bring back something like that for
this July 15th cycle, since we limited it, that would be
my request.

12:00:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
When do you want it back?
July 14th or oust that?
12:00:44 >> It wouldn't come back until you, miss Coyle comes and
schedules the workshop for that cycle.
12:00:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Do you want to make it during our next
workshop session, which would be, it will be a while from
now.
Will be September.
22nd.
Is that your motion, Ms. Montelione?
12:01:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Yes.
That's fine.
12:01:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
We have a motion, if we could have it
restated before we have the vote.
Ms. Montelione, I think you could restate that really
quick.
12:01:14 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Certainly.
I would ask that Land Development Coordination and
construction services come back on, with a workshop
September 22nd at 9:00 a.m. to explore language for
the July text amendment cycle.
12:01:33 >> If you can include planning and urban design in that.
12:01:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Certainly.
I think we have got planning and urban design, with a,
with language to establish pop-up zoning and an expedited

permitting process.
In four neighborhoods.
Channelside, downtown, Ybor City and Seminole Heights.
12:02:05 >> Second.
12:02:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a motion from Ms. Montelione,
second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Thank you, sir.
12:02:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
And it goes without saying that you'll
work with those.
12:02:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
If I could get a motion for five
additional minutes.
Motion from Mr. Reddick, second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed? Information reports and new business by
councilmembers.
Mr. Miranda?
12:02:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I have three of them.
First let me clarify the motion made on 6-16 by myself,
second by Mr. Cohen.
I'm not talking about signs that are billboards on the

highway.
I'm talking about monument signs in or around the
neighborhoods that have electronic signs, billboards,
look like a billboard but it's a miniature things,
sometimes 40, 50, 60, 70 square feet.
Those are the ones I'm mentioning.
And that's, I had asked that on that motion.
Legal department requested appear before Council August
the 4th under staff reports, appear, what I'm saying it
is not billboards.
It is monument signs that are on private businesses such
as bars, hospitals, lawyers, whatever.
Once you have one, you have another one.
Every five minutes, they move every 15, 20 seconds.
That's what I made on that motion.
I appreciate make the changes that I just mentioned.
12:03:31 >>MICHAEL SUAREZ:
So it's a motion to amend from the
original motion.
Do I have a second?
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Anything else?
12:03:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Second, I have two more.
Motion to give commendation to Hattie Wilson for 33 years

of service in the parking division.
I'll be doing that commendation to her directly during
our period of vacation.
12:03:53 >> Second.
12:03:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
12:04:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Third is the Tampa City Council
present commendation to Frank Rey dance studio for
celebrating 60th anniversary to be presented at their
event on June 25th with special recognition at
July 14th Council meeting.
12:04:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Motion from Mr. Miranda, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Anything else?
12:04:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
That's it.
12:04:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Reddick?
12:04:23 >>FRANK REDDICK:
One item, Mr. Chair.
I want to ask someone from contracting administration to
appear before Council on a staff report on July 14th to

give us updated report on the contract with the vendor
pertaining to the red light cameras.
12:04:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Okay.
We have motion from Mr. Reddick, second from
Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Anything else, sir?
12:04:49 >>FRANK REDDICK:
That's it.
12:04:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Mr. Maniscalco?
12:04:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
No, sir.
12:04:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Ms. Montelione?
12:04:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
Thank you, sir.
Back I believe it was 2011, for the purposes of
accountability and transparency, I had asked Council to
agree and they did, to have all items over a million
dollars come to Council as staff reports instead of being
grouped with consent agenda items.
Which is why we have these contracts coming to Council as
we did this morning.
So at this time, I would like to change the threshold
from one million to $3 million.
So anything over $3 million would be considered as a
staff report.

Anything under $3 million would be go on the consent
agenda.
12:05:30 >> Sec.
12:05:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
I have a motion from Ms. Montelione,
second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.
Any opposed?
Anything else, ma'am.
12:05:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE:
No, sir, that's it.
12:05:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
Before we go forward, I just wanted to
thank my colleagues, Ms. Montelione, Mr. Maniscalco and
Mr. Cohen, for being on the MPO and being until, after
3:00 a.m.
I think when most of you got home during public comment,
I think it is admirable.
We do not get paid a lot of money but you earned every
cent last night.
And I appreciate what you're doing.
We're going to have hopefully a good and safe, everyone
have a good and safe fourth of July in a couple weeks.
Need a motion to receive and file documents.
Motion from Ms. Montelione, second from Mr. Maniscalco.
All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying
aye.

Any opposed?
And any general public comment?
Anyone in the public like to come forward at this moment
to speak?
I see no one.
We are adjourned until 5:30 p.m.


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