Tampa CRA
Thursday, July 21, 2016
10:40 a.m.
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10:28:39
10:40:20 [Sounding gavel]
10:40:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: [Off microphone.]
10:40:51 >>cHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.
10:40:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.
10:40:53 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.
10:40:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.
10:40:56 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.
10:40:59 Okay, we have our monthly report is going to be presented by
10:41:03 Owen LaFave, downtown CRA.
10:41:06 Thank you.
10:41:06 >> I am thankful that I don't have any sides to present.
10:41:18 Owen LaFave, with the downtown CRA, CAC.
10:41:21 Like the mayor said, downtown, a to of development going on
10:41:27 downtown, and a lot of activity, with I is really an
10:41:30 exciting time for our city.
10:41:33 Since the last meeting, STP plans to officially start
10:41:37 construction on August 29.
10:41:38 They have been meeting with the staff, city staff, to
10:41:40 discuss the franchise agreement for the shared chiller plant
10:41:44 in the district.
10:41:45 The chiller line.
10:41:46 Permitting, I understand, is almost complete, and actually
10:41:50 some of the early work is scheduled to start this month.
10:41:52 There's going to be a groundbreaking ceremony sometime in
10:41:55 December.
10:41:57 I'm sure that will have a lot of excitement.
10:42:01 915 Franklin, they just began their construction of the
10:42:04 third floor in that apartment building.
10:42:07 The city recently met and has continued discussion was the
10:42:12 FDOT for the improvements of Jackson street with the cycle
10:42:17 track and bike Lane and resurfacing both Jackson and
10:42:21 Kennedy.
10:42:22 Another exciting development is the downtown Tampa
10:42:25 partnership, the shuttle service.
10:42:28 We talked about it previously.
10:42:29 But it's finally here, getting ready to start in August.
10:42:31 There's four bidders that operate that service.
10:42:34 And 12 shuttles have been ordered.
10:42:36 So looking forward to seeing those to move people in our
10:42:41 downtown corridor.
10:42:43 The CAC at our last meeting voted to fund part of the ferry
10:42:48 service that will be -- the test service going from Tampa to
10:42:52 St. Pete.
10:42:54 And then I guess finally, the old jail site, right now
10:43:00 currently vacant and the city is actually having a potential
10:43:04 lease discussion to lease that site for additional parking,
10:43:07 to have up to 300 parking spots on that location.
10:43:11 And you all know we need it.
10:43:13 Parking is an issue downtown.
10:43:15 Hopefully that will work out.
10:43:16 And that concludes my presentation.
10:43:19 Thank you very much.
10:43:19 Pleasure to be here.
10:43:20 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Any questions?
10:43:24 Seeing none, thank you very much for your report.
10:43:25 >> Thank you.
10:43:27 Have a great day.
10:43:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, Mr. McDonaugh.
10:43:33 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Economic development.
10:43:39 Owen stole some of my thunder but we are working with DOT
10:43:43 about Jackson street, because it has a removal of parking
10:43:48 spaces so we are offering an alternative because we didn't
10:43:55 think it was an appropriate plan.
10:43:56 But on the up side we are working with them on the old jail
10:43:59 site which will cover about 350 parking spaces.
10:44:02 We are working with TECO because they have a replacement
10:44:05 program for poles, and we are working with them in several
10:44:08 CRAs as well as neighborhood.
10:44:10 Trying to get that right-of-way nailed down so the
10:44:15 neighborhood are comfortable without changeout in the poles.
10:44:19 This weekend, be prepared for some interesting costumes
10:44:22 downtown.
10:44:23 The metro CON is at the convention center, respecting about
10:44:27 12,000 people there.
10:44:29 Next week we'll have different people with costumes at the
10:44:32 convention center, 4,000 people coming to take their board
10:44:36 exams.
10:44:38 (Laughter)
10:44:38 Starting Friday night, we have the Fourth Friday.
10:44:43 And the free water taxi rides, free discounted or free
10:44:47 admission to several of our downtown attractions.
10:44:51 And so it's a great time to bring people down, enjoy the
10:44:54 Riverwalk and our museum and places of comfort.
10:45:00 We are working with TECO again in Ybor for the restoration
10:45:05 and rebuilding of the arches, the lit arches which have
10:45:09 become a very popular attraction.
10:45:11 We are working on that right now.
10:45:13 Looking forward to the completion of 21st and 22nd
10:45:16 street.
10:45:17 We should have a date on that relatively soon.
10:45:19 And the YCDC is accepting applications for grants for the
10:45:25 special events.
10:45:28 That opened up at the beginning of this month and runs into
10:45:30 next month so the people out there listening that have not
10:45:33 applied, it would be a good time to get that in.
10:45:36 Channel District, we start soil boring, so start soil boring
10:45:42 today for the channel club which is the project at the
10:45:45 corner of Meridian and Twiggs.
10:45:49 And then the Heights, we are processing permits right now
10:45:52 for infrastructure, apartments, and the rebuilding of the
10:45:58 trolley barn.
10:46:01 Questions?
10:46:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Any questions?
10:46:09 Seeing none, please proceed.
10:46:12 Okay.
10:46:20 Okay, we have got number 3, Gas Worx site, Adamo drive, and
10:46:29 it was continuously per motion of Councilman Reddick and
10:46:32 seconded by Councilman Cohen.
10:46:41 Does anyone want to begin the conversation?
10:46:46 Thank you, Mr. Reddick.
10:46:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, I was assuming since it was on the
10:46:50 agenda that someone -- why is it on the agenda?
10:46:57 Was somebody from staff going to discuss this?
10:47:00 >> No, sir.
10:47:01 There was a conversation, I think, last month where we
10:47:03 talked about it and you had asked for some clarification by
10:47:06 Mr. Territo about exactly where we were.
10:47:10 We have had a conversation.
10:47:10 I can tell you an update on that property is that it has
10:47:13 closed.
10:47:15 I spoke to the new owner yesterday.
10:47:17 He does not have a specific plan for it.
10:47:20 And is more than happy to work with the CRA, exactly what
10:47:25 their pleasure is.
10:47:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, did we make the motion to have Tampa
10:47:31 report back from legal in August?
10:47:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.
10:47:44 I am going to start off with this memorandum from Mr.
10:47:47 Territo that came to everyone after the fact.
10:47:51 And the letter begins: By now most if not all have heard
10:48:04 Patrick Mantiega's column, in my estimation, this is -- we
10:48:12 do not take lead from Patrick Mantiega so we could have
10:48:21 totally left out.
10:48:22 The other thing is what brought this up was that the fact
10:48:28 and some of the background that was presented to the YCDC
10:48:31 board on May 24, 2016.
10:48:36 My point here was, I do not recall -- and I looked back --
10:48:42 the only thing that we voted on at this CRA board was to
10:48:48 prepare a letter to the attorney general for an opinion.
10:48:53 It was not -- it was not sent.
10:48:59 And there were different opinions of why.
10:49:03 So we need to know the reason why it was not sent.
10:49:09 And, also, I looked at our -- we never voted on presenting
10:49:19 the YCDC an alternative way of accomplishing anything.
10:49:25 We never discussed it here.
10:49:29 So it was done -- and what I look at is there's a mix-up on
10:49:35 the chain of command here.
10:49:37 And the mixup of this board is the board that votes, and
10:49:42 directs the administration, not the other way around.
10:49:48 To have this presented without this board's knowledge was a
10:49:55 egregious misstep.
10:50:01 So when I saw this, I realized that we needed to discuss it.
10:50:06 We needed to bring this back and discuss exactly what we
10:50:10 want done as we were leaning in that direction when we
10:50:15 first, back in August, I believe it was, of last year.
10:50:20 So this is going -- it's going to be a year.
10:50:23 And we were leaning in that direction.
10:50:27 We see here -- I looked up, and the baseline according to
10:50:33 the state statute does not move -- cannot move.
10:50:40 So that concern was -- let me see here.
10:50:50 It's upside down.
10:50:52 The CRA -- and this is under section 163-3661 Florida
10:50:59 statute, outlines the procedure, public hearing notice
10:51:02 requirement, to modify CRA plan.
10:51:09 And the paragraph says the CRA based year is fixed and may
10:51:14 not be reset or modified once the initial CRA plan is
10:51:17 adopted.
10:51:18 There is no mechanism available to reset the CRA base year.
10:51:23 The only available option in a situation where the
10:51:26 ad valorem revenue has fallen so low as to eliminate the TIF
10:51:31 funds, it is to follow the statutory procedure to dissolve
10:51:35 the CRA and establish a new CRA meeting all the statutory
10:51:40 requirements, dissolving the CRA requires all the existing
10:51:45 bond obligations, and it goes on.
10:51:48 So the fact that -- or the fear that the base would be
10:51:56 modified according to state statute can't be modified.
10:52:04 So a lot of misinformation was presented.
10:52:08 And I really think that we need to have a public discussion
10:52:14 on this.
10:52:15 And, you know, I've heard, you know, it's about the money.
10:52:20 Yes, it's about the money.
10:52:22 It's about the money for downtown.
10:52:24 It's about the money.
10:52:25 But the mayor this morning just presented us with what's
10:52:29 going on in the core.
10:52:30 We are talking about a 52-story building on Ashley and
10:52:37 Brorein.
10:52:37 We are talking about -- you are talking about revenues to
10:52:41 downtown.
10:52:42 The Vinik project, revenues to downtown.
10:52:50 So this parcel tug-of-war, if you will, needs to be cleared
10:53:00 up, needs to be defined, and we need to decide as we want to
10:53:07 move forward on moving it, or whatever combination, whatever
10:53:12 it is that we want to do, but as the board, we decide on
10:53:17 that.
10:53:17 We can have the recommendation of the CAC from the different
10:53:26 CRAs, downtown, Ybor, the Heights, Channelside, but this
10:53:31 board is the one that makes the decision, and is held
10:53:36 accountable and should be held accountable within those.
10:53:40 With that, I want to ask that we either proceed with this --
10:53:46 yes, Mr. Reddick.
10:53:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, let me just go back.
10:53:50 I made the motion based on the recommendation of our legal
10:53:55 adviser that we send a letter to the attorney general and
10:54:00 for an opinion.
10:54:02 And I think it was a unanimous vote of the CRA word board.
10:54:09 And the thing is that the letters have not gone out, and
10:54:13 discussion in between wherein I try to inquire about the
10:54:18 letter, I was told that we are working on it, we are working
10:54:21 on it, but we never goth the letter to go out.
10:54:24 Now we hear that there's some concern of what effect it
10:54:28 would have on other CRAs.
10:54:29 But the problem we are having, that we voted by unanimous
10:54:34 vote, and this letter said -- and it was done based on a
10:54:40 recommendation of our legal adviser.
10:54:46 Legal adviser wants to suggest that the letter go to the
10:54:48 attorney general for an opinion.
10:54:50 And I believe that's why we had a unanimous vote of the CRA
10:54:54 board because the legal adviser gave us that opinion.
10:54:57 And that's the only reason I made the motion because of
10:55:00 that.
10:55:00 I think I make the point now, we have got a choice.
10:55:03 Either we are going to be enforce the legal adviser to --
10:55:09 force that legal visitor send that letter to the attorney
10:55:14 general for that opinion or to go ahead and put the Gas Worx
10:55:18 site into the CRA in Ybor City.
10:55:25 Now that's the option we have got, because this has been
10:55:27 going on.
10:55:28 Why it's taken this long to send a letter.
10:55:31 I mean, we don't know what the attorney general is going to
10:55:34 say.
10:55:34 Nobody knows what the attorney general -- how the attorney
10:55:37 general is going to respond.
10:55:38 And the speculation that it could affect other CRAs,
10:55:44 because we are speculating on what the attorney general is
10:55:46 going to say before we send the letter.
10:55:48 And this is coming from our legal adviser.
10:55:50 Now, we could spin this any kind of way, Mr. McDonaugh.
10:55:55 We could spin this any kind of way.
10:55:59 But the bottom line this council, this CRA, voted to send
10:56:04 that letter.
10:56:06 Now, someone needs to give us a justification why that
10:56:09 letter didn't go.
10:56:12 Now, I said that patiently, and each time I would ask
10:56:15 Mr. Baird or someone what's the progress on the letter.
10:56:18 And I think also part of that motion was our council
10:56:25 attorney review the letter prior to it going to the attorney
10:56:30 general as part of that motion.
10:56:32 And each time I asked the county attorney, have you seen the
10:56:35 letter? Have you seen the letter?
10:56:36 And here we are.
10:56:40 I mean, it's been a while.
10:56:43 So we are in a bind now, and we have got two options.
10:56:51 To have the legal adviser, the staff, write the letter to
10:56:59 the attorney general or we make a motion to take other
10:57:03 action.
10:57:03 And I think that's the frustration that I'm having with the
10:57:06 whole process.
10:57:07 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Now, just to understand, just that we vote
10:57:12 to move it doesn't mean the process and procedure and what
10:57:17 we are voting for is to start that procedure, if we vote for
10:57:20 it.
10:57:21 Thank you.
10:57:23 Mr. Suarez.
10:57:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Madam Chair.
10:57:26 A couple things.
10:57:27 First, Mr. McDonaugh, who bought the property?
10:57:31 >> Darryl Shaw.
10:57:33 Along with a number of other.
10:57:36 As you might recall he was the winning bidder at the
10:57:39 property at 12th and Nuccio.
10:57:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's a different owner than what we
10:57:44 thought --
10:57:46 >>BOB McDONAUGH: That's correct.
10:57:47 He said he does not have an actual plan right now.
10:57:49 I would like to, if I may.
10:57:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, let me finish.
10:57:53 I'll ask a question if I want to ask a question.
10:57:56 When you want to speak you can speak afterwards.
10:57:58 I have the floor right now.
10:57:59 What I would suggest, Mr. Reddick -- and I think part of the
10:58:02 problem and the angst that the staff is having about going
10:58:04 to the attorney general is that an attorney general opinion
10:58:08 doesn't have any kind of weight other than an opinion of
10:58:12 another attorney.
10:58:13 What I would suggest -- and this is, I think, maybe we can
10:58:16 come to some kind of agreement to get an answer about be
10:58:18 this, because I think many of us, not all of us, understand
10:58:22 that we don't want the base year to change and we don't want
10:58:25 it to have an effect on any of the CRAs.
10:58:28 I think we are all in agreement on that.
10:58:30 And I think we are at a point now where it will either or
10:58:34 will not, but we can make a decision going one way or the
10:58:38 other.
10:58:39 I think that an opinion -- and I think legally we
10:58:41 probably -- the Florida Redevelopment Association is the
10:58:47 preeminent leader when it comes to these type of issues.
10:58:51 They have seen practically he have issue there is with CRA,
10:58:55 than any other point across the State of Florida. I do not
10:58:57 know, and maybe Mr. Territo can answer the question, do they
10:59:00 have a legal department with the FRA?
10:59:03 They do have an attorney there?
10:59:07 >>SAL TERRITO: Outside counsel.
10:59:09 They have had that for many years.
10:59:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I think that to me would carry a lot
10:59:13 more weight because they carry these issues on a day-to-day,
10:59:16 year-to-year basis.
10:59:18 Secondly, and again, I don't really care whether we go to
10:59:21 the attorney general or not but I think that we might get a
10:59:24 better, more specific type of decision from the folks that
10:59:29 do this all the time, as opposed to the attorney general who
10:59:33 doesn't really deal with this issue for the most part.
10:59:37 This is part of the statute where cities and counties have
10:59:40 control over the way that this is operating.
10:59:45 The second thing is -- and I said this publicly and I'll say
10:59:48 it again -- the moving of a piece of property from one CRA
10:59:52 to the other, I don't care as long as there is a net zero
10:59:57 effect in terms of dollars for either one of the CRA
11:00:00 districts that we are moving it from.
11:00:02 It doesn't bother me if we want to move it.
11:00:04 We do have some contractual obligations that are part of it.
11:00:08 We have to renegotiate the contract that we have with the
11:00:11 strategic property partners.
11:00:13 I don't see that that necessarily will be a bad thing.
11:00:16 I mean that's not a bad thing but a difficult thing.
11:00:19 Also we have to make sure that the county gets on board with
11:00:25 us.
11:00:25 I don't think we'll have a problem with that either.
11:00:27 But the problem I will have if it's causes any dollars to be
11:00:32 lost from one CRA to the other or from both, Forbe that
11:00:35 matter, because it's not the elimination of a base year.
11:00:40 It's not necessarily a change of a base year but now you are
11:00:43 putting a property that has a different base year.
11:00:46 That's really the crux of the argument.
11:00:49 And we need to figure out if by moving it causes any other
11:00:52 ripple effect.
11:00:53 And I know there's some legal -- not just statute but also
11:00:57 precedent that's in there that may or may not affect it.
11:01:00 I don't know because I am not an attorney, as you know.
11:01:02 But I think we need to really investigate it that way in
11:01:05 addition.
11:01:06 If you want an attorney general's opinion I have no problem
11:01:08 with that you about I don't think we are going to get the
11:01:10 kind of answers we really need unless we get someone who has
11:01:13 the expertise and the experience in knowing begun CRAs
11:01:17 directly.
11:01:17 So that's my own opinion about it.
11:01:21 You know, I want to listen to the rest of my colleagues to
11:01:24 figure out what to do next and so on.
11:01:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me just say the only reason why we
11:01:30 made the motion, the motion was made to go to the attorney
11:01:33 general, was the recommendation that Mr. Territo gave.
11:01:38 He said go to the attorney general for an opinion.
11:01:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think that what had happened, if I may,
11:01:43 Councilman Reddick, I think that probably that was a mistake
11:01:46 on Mr. Territo's part, primarily because it was suggested by
11:01:50 some of the members of the community in addition to -- and
11:01:54 it came up to Mr. Territo by that avenue, and not by a
11:01:58 specific legal look at it.
11:02:01 And I don't want to put words in your mouth, Mr. Territo,
11:02:04 but that's my memory of it, and I may be wrong about it.
11:02:07 So my guess is that going directly -- and again, I don't
11:02:10 have a problem with the attorney general's department, but I
11:02:13 do think the Florida Redevelopment Association has more
11:02:16 control in terms of knowing these issues better than any of
11:02:21 us short of people that practice in this on a day-to-day
11:02:26 basis.
11:02:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: I don't have any problem in terms of
11:02:29 amending my motion to do that.
11:02:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I agree.
11:02:32 Thank you.
11:02:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Just a remind they are came up because
11:02:37 municipality after municipality has moved their CRA property
11:02:41 from one to the other.
11:02:42 And we found that there was no effect.
11:02:45 And then it was suggested that maybe we should look into
11:02:49 possibly an effect, where there was none prior.
11:02:53 So just a reminder on that.
11:02:55 And, yes, Councilman Cohen.
11:02:58 >>HARRY COHEN: I think I have a couple points to make on
11:03:03 this.
11:03:05 I think it's important that we have some -- some documents
11:03:11 from some, whether it's Florida redevelopment association to
11:03:14 the attorney general, I think it's important to have
11:03:17 something to depend on when making a decision like this.
11:03:19 I have to tell you, though, I really agree with Councilman
11:03:22 Reddick about this.
11:03:23 When this council passed the motion to write a letter, if
11:03:27 the letter is not going to be written, then we need to be
11:03:30 informed immediately, and be talked to immediately, and we
11:03:35 are available here in our offices, not wait two months
11:03:39 without sending the letter.
11:03:41 It really is a breakdown in the way that business is
11:03:45 supposed to be done.
11:03:47 Finally, my third point is this: I really think if you
11:03:51 listen to what the mayor said this morning -- and this
11:03:53 really goes to the merits of the issue of moving the parcel.
11:03:57 -- if you can get over the hurdle of whether or not there's
11:03:59 any net loss in revenue to the city, if you listen to what
11:04:03 the mayor said this morning, the amount of development going
11:04:05 on within the downtown CRA is enormous.
11:04:09 And that is going to be where there's going to be a
11:04:12 tremendous amount of revenue generated.
11:04:14 If idea is that we have the opportunity to move even part
11:04:18 of -- even if it's just one parcel into the Ybor CRA to
11:04:23 benefit that area.
11:04:26 I think makes a lot of sense based on just general explosion
11:04:32 that's going on in downtown.
11:04:34 It just to me feels like it's an equitable way to sort of
11:04:37 spread the wealth throughout the city.
11:04:39 And that's really what I think the council or the CRA is
11:04:45 trying to accomplish with this.
11:04:46 I agree with Councilman Suarez.
11:04:48 I don't really care where we ask for the opinion from.
11:04:52 I think we need to get something from somewhere so we can
11:04:54 move forward.
11:04:55 But whatever it is, whatever we ultimately ask for after
11:04:59 everyone speaks on this subject, I think whatever we vote
11:05:02 for, we ought to get.
11:05:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Councilwoman Montelione.
11:05:07 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Madam Chair.
11:05:11 Can either you, Mr. McDonough, or you, Mr. Territo, tell me
11:05:15 why the letter hasn't gone out?
11:05:17 >>SAL TERRITO: Yes, I can tell you, because after research,
11:05:20 asking questions, they cautioned me that we are concerned
11:05:24 about than that, because we have done it in different ways
11:05:28 because we aren't sure that there is --
11:05:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But --
11:05:32 >>SAL TERRITO: And people who do this all the time were
11:05:36 concerned that it might end up -- for example, we have
11:05:41 already done this, we added a knew piece to downtown.
11:05:45 The sums was made back then.
11:05:47 There's no change.
11:05:48 Easy.
11:05:48 The old piece keeps its old baseline.
11:05:53 Nothing changes.
11:05:54 If the attorney general goes, oh, you shouldn't have done
11:05:58 that the way, does that mean the baseline -- there are
11:06:04 concerns because it is an unknown, not because we are trying
11:06:07 to oppose.
11:06:10 I have no policy decision it's your decision, not mine.
11:06:14 I am not trying to stall this thing.
11:06:16 But we have got earn concerns from other redevelopment
11:06:18 associations that there is another way of doing this without
11:06:20 dealing with all these legal issues.
11:06:22 That was --
11:06:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I want to ask you --
11:06:29 >>SAL TERRITO: Mr. Shelby was informed.
11:06:31 He was informed.
11:06:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Did you have a conversation with any one
11:06:36 of us about that?
11:06:38 >>SAL TERRITO: I have not.
11:06:39 I came to make a presentation generally.
11:06:41 The reason I -- it isn't because I was afraid to make the
11:06:46 decision.
11:06:47 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I didn't read the column so --
11:06:50 >>SAL TERRITO: And it was going to him.
11:06:53 I thought I would send it to you but I didn't want there to
11:06:56 be an impression of why this was done.
11:06:59 I what there is sort of to say, look, you want to do this,
11:07:02 let me find a way to do this for you without creating legal
11:07:06 problems.
11:07:07 It was suggested to us by other members of the redevelopment
11:07:10 association around the state.
11:07:12 It gets you to the same place.
11:07:14 And it doesn't cause all the legal issues.
11:07:16 And that is the only reason we are at this point.
11:07:18 It isn't because we are stalling.
11:07:19 Because there may be an alternative way of doing this that
11:07:22 doesn't -- we may be wrong, we may be right.
11:07:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: The concern I have, there's two separate
11:07:29 now concerns that I think from what I hear we all have.
11:07:34 One is the actual mechanics of doing this or not doing this,
11:07:40 and how to go about it and those questions.
11:07:43 But the other is, as Councilwoman Capin said, chair Capin
11:07:50 said, is the breakdown of our system and Councilman Cohen
11:07:53 mentioned it as well.
11:07:55 So if we make a motion, a unanimous motion of council, and
11:08:01 that direction is not carried out to staff, or by staff, we
11:08:09 need to know, and we need to know why.
11:08:11 So, you know,
11:08:14 Having vice chair, Councilwoman Capin is chair, I don't
11:08:21 recall anyone contacting me.
11:08:24 We can't talk about things outside of this room.
11:08:27 But I don't recall anyone contacting me or my office to
11:08:32 advise that the letter was not being sent out or that there
11:08:38 was a breakdown in why you had concerns, or any such
11:08:47 discussion.
11:08:48 And that -- the two things that are going on here.
11:08:55 And I have got to say that I share the disappointment with
11:08:59 my colleagues.
11:09:01 And I know Mr. McDonaugh --
11:09:07 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I agree that you should be kept in
11:09:11 informed and actually I thought we had conversations,
11:09:13 talking about -- Mr. Territo did the research and I thought
11:09:17 he had wrought it up at subsequent CRA meetings that he has
11:09:20 not been able to find any background, that there was a
11:09:24 concern.
11:09:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's true, but I wasn't informed that
11:09:27 the motion to send that letter to the attorney general was
11:09:32 not going to be carried out by staff and why it wasn't going
11:09:36 to be, so that we could have come back here as a body and
11:09:41 decided whether or not we wanted to withdraw that motion to
11:09:46 send the letter to the attorney general to modify it, to
11:09:50 change it, you know, asking some other body, or, you know,
11:09:54 and we did not have the opportunity to have this discussion
11:10:00 about why this letter wasn't going out and to modify the
11:10:05 action that we took.
11:10:06 >>BOB McDONAUGH: We should have taken a formal action on
11:10:11 one of the agendas and had a discussion about why the legal
11:10:15 department felt that this perhaps was not in our best
11:10:18 interest.
11:10:18 And what we were pursuing was, was there a way of achieving
11:10:22 this without jeopardizing the baseline?
11:10:25 And I'm sorry if we took too much license in doing this.
11:10:29 We were trying to achieve the goals without jeopardizing the
11:10:32 baseline, because we could not find case law.
11:10:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I do want to say in five years of
11:10:37 sitting and doing this, there have been a couple of other
11:10:40 occasions where the ball has been dropped, and actions that
11:10:44 either we have taken as a CRA or actions we have taken as a
11:10:47 council were not carried out.
11:10:50 In five years a couple of instances, I think we still have a
11:10:54 good track record.
11:10:55 It's just this is, you know, a volatile situation, or
11:10:59 discussion point carried out in public and the media and,
11:11:05 you know, there are a lot of people who have been anxiously
11:11:08 awaiting the resolution of this situation.
11:11:13 So I guess apology accepted.
11:11:18 By me.
11:11:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am going to make a point.
11:11:22 Mr. McDonaugh did come to me and tell me the concerns that
11:11:25 were there.
11:11:26 Not our attorney.
11:11:27 Mr. McDonaugh, did discuss it with me.
11:11:30 And what possibilities could be achieved.
11:11:34 The next thing I know, it's being presented the Ybor YCDC.
11:11:40 That should never have happened, in my opinion.
11:11:43 Never.
11:11:44 Without the discussion being brought to here to our council.
11:11:49 >>SAL TERRITO: If I may interrupt you.
11:11:51 [Off microphone.]
11:11:52 The general way of doing this, the board who recommends, you
11:11:57 get a presentation.
11:11:59 Their presentation.
11:12:00 I wasn't trying to bypass you.
11:12:02 They are the ones that are going to say, did you go to the
11:12:06 YCDC Ybor?
11:12:08 The first here asked, was did they make a recommendation?
11:12:13 That's why I did it.
11:12:15 I wasn't trying to bypass you.
11:12:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: No, here is the way it works.
11:12:19 Here is the way it works.
11:12:20 You bring it to us in the sunshine.
11:12:22 We discuss it and we ask you to present it to the YCDC, to
11:12:26 the CRA advisory board.
11:12:28 And then they can come back.
11:12:31 That's the way it works.
11:12:32 Not the other way around.
11:12:36 We are the ones that make -- again, we are held accountable,
11:12:43 as we should be.
11:12:44 And how can we be held accountable when we did not -- we are
11:12:47 not aware that this is going to be presented or even when it
11:12:51 was, and that to me is the point that we have here.
11:12:56 We needed to discuss it out in the sunshine, absolutely,
11:13:01 then bring it to the CRA.
11:13:03 And if that is something that is in our policy then we need
11:13:09 to change it.
11:13:10 We absolutely need to change it.
11:13:11 Things cannot be brought up to us secondhand.
11:13:15 It can't.
11:13:17 So that's the issue there.
11:13:18 Now, as far as moving the property, I will say this, that it
11:13:27 is a long procedure.
11:13:30 It is an involved procedure.
11:13:34 Maybe part of that would be to agree to move it pending that
11:13:42 opinion, or that opinion be part of our decision later on to
11:13:48 go forth, along with everything else.
11:13:53 Is that something that we can --
11:13:59 >>SAL TERRITO: That's when I got concerned.
11:14:05 I have written the opinion.
11:14:07 My request has been written.
11:14:09 All I have to do is send it out.
11:14:11 And no delay on that.
11:14:13 So based on that --
11:14:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Send it out to --
11:14:17 >>SAL TERRITO: The attorney general.
11:14:18 I have already written the request.
11:14:20 It's ready to go.
11:14:21 All I have to do is change the date on there and it can go.
11:14:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: What is not -- okay, who gave the opinion
11:14:28 of -- where is the opinion that was brought to the YCDC come
11:14:32 from in order to work around not moving the property?
11:14:37 >>SAL TERRITO: We had some suggestions from members of the
11:14:39 redevelopment association that have gone through this
11:14:42 process before that said, look, there's no case law out
11:14:46 there, there's no attorney general opinion out there, it's a
11:14:49 blank piece of paper.
11:14:50 Rather than getting into that, we never asked permission
11:14:55 before, we have done it here as well, we have got the same
11:14:58 results without having to go through --
11:15:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: An opinion from some -- we need to know who
11:15:06 gave the opinion, woo it is.
11:15:08 Okay, recommendation.
11:15:09 >>SAL TERRITO: A different name for it.
11:15:13 Redevelopment -- other cities have done this, and their
11:15:17 concern was, look, we have done these things.
11:15:19 We have never -- we don't want to have it come back and find
11:15:24 out, oops.
11:15:27 So we have done it the way it would work and that's where
11:15:31 the suggestion came from, in a different manner, come to the
11:15:35 same conclusion, getting the same benefits without having to
11:15:37 go through legal issues.
11:15:39 That was the reason why I went to the YCDC as well, but the
11:15:44 alternative way of doing it -- plus, they start getting
11:15:50 money before that property is developed.
11:15:52 That was why that was suggested.
11:15:54 It wasn't trying to solve.
11:15:57 It was trying to find an it will tern with people that have
11:16:01 done this and find out they have done it wrong.
11:16:05 We do what you want to do, not what somebody else --
11:16:08 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Here is the issue.
11:16:10 The board was not informed at all as to who -- where this
11:16:15 recommendation came from, what it was.
11:16:18 I did discuss what it was with Bob McDonaugh.
11:16:21 But it never -- I don't have the authority to say move it
11:16:25 forward.
11:16:26 And I didn't give that authority.
11:16:29 I just said, okay, that sounds like another plan, but that
11:16:33 was it.
11:16:35 I don't want to keep going around this.
11:16:37 The point is this.
11:16:38 We need to be informed.
11:16:40 We demand to be informed.
11:16:41 We are held responsible.
11:16:43 We are held accountable.
11:16:45 Not you, us.
11:16:46 >>FRANK REDDICK: I would like to amend the motion, and I am
11:16:52 going to ask Mr. Suarez to give me the name of that.
11:16:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Florida Redevelopment Association.
11:16:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Florida Redevelopment Association.
11:17:00 I would like to amend my motion, that a letter be sent to
11:17:03 than the Florida Redevelopment Association requesting an
11:17:07 opinion.
11:17:16 >> [Off microphone.]
11:17:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I know I had a deja vu.
11:17:25 >>SAL TERRITO: [Off microphone.]
11:17:34 >>HARRY COHEN: I want to ask Councilman Reddick.
11:17:39 Because in framing this motion, it sounds to me like, okay,
11:17:42 let's forget for a moment how we got to this point.
11:17:45 It sound to me like you have identified a way to do this.
11:17:49 To accomplish what we want to accomplish without sending a
11:17:52 bunch of letters.
11:17:53 Is that correct?
11:17:55 >> That's correct.
11:17:56 >>HARRY COHEN: If councilman Reddick can make a motion then
11:17:59 to go ahead and do this the way that you are suggesting,
11:18:03 just because we had a convoluted way of getting here
11:18:07 perhaps, it's the right way to go, that would put us along
11:18:09 the road to getting where we want to go to moving the
11:18:12 parcel.
11:18:13 Is that correct?
11:18:14 >> Correct.
11:18:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: Then I will make a motion.
11:18:17 >>YVONNE CAPIN: May I?
11:18:18 Except do you know what that recommendation is?
11:18:23 >> I think it's in the memo.
11:18:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, the memo.
11:18:29 >>SAL TERRITO: I think I spelled out what the advantages
11:18:32 are --
11:18:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:18:37 >>HARRY COHEN: Because what you are saying if I may
11:18:39 paraphrase, in your memo was that there was more risk to
11:18:43 asking for an opinion that could affect our past decisions
11:18:47 than there is in moving forward under a different structure.
11:18:50 >> That's correct.
11:18:52 And again the same results, without having to ask anybody
11:18:57 else's opinion, and also gives a benefit to Ybor City,
11:19:00 because rate now that parcel has a value.
11:19:04 If you move it to Ybor that value was set back in 83, so
11:19:15 they will start getting that money now rather than waiting
11:19:18 till that property is developed.
11:19:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes, but isn't that what you presented to
11:19:22 the YCDC in Ybor and didn't they turn that down?
11:19:29 And that's what made you to write that letter about MANTEGA,
11:19:35 he chastised you for coming in with that recommendation.
11:19:38 >>SAL TERRITO: I wanted to say, look, that's not our
11:19:43 position here, I wanted you to be clear that that is not the
11:19:45 presentation that I made to the YCDC.
11:19:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let me make this clear.
11:19:50 We move on that, we are talking about a presentation that
11:19:53 was already made to the committee.
11:19:58 They need to weigh in on that presentation, whether we move
11:20:04 with them or not, because it has been presented.
11:20:06 So we are going to move on something without, again, hearing
11:20:11 from the CAC what their opinion is.
11:20:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Perhaps, though, this time if the
11:20:19 presentation is made if there's knowledge that we are
11:20:22 actually doing it in the spirit of trying to move in the
11:20:24 direction that they want to go, and it's communicated that
11:20:27 it's coming with our knowledge and interest in their
11:20:31 reaction, perhaps there will be -- perhaps there will be,
11:20:38 you know, a good result.
11:20:39 And if not we can go down the other way.
11:20:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would like to hear -- I just want to
11:20:54 say aye or nay.
11:20:55 >> First, let me just address what the law is, the black
11:21:03 letter law.
11:21:03 So there is no confusion.
11:21:05 So I was confused and I'm not sure why because we have been
11:21:08 over this.
11:21:08 But the statute says very specifically that you can modify
11:21:15 any CRA property by transferring property in or transferring
11:21:19 property out.
11:21:20 It's called a modification.
11:21:23 I'll tell you how to do it.
11:21:24 You have a public hearing and a resolution.
11:21:27 And that goes over to the county.
11:21:29 There is no confusion about that at all.
11:21:32 It is black letter.
11:21:33 It's in the first paragraph of the statute which I provided
11:21:36 to you.
11:21:37 So that whole issue of this scare tactic -- it may not be
11:21:44 legal or it could cause -- the statutes don't tell you to go
11:21:48 do something if there's going to be a penalty.
11:21:52 And if there was a penalty, which they couldn't put on there
11:21:55 by telling you go ahead and do this, it would, if they don't
11:21:59 have a penalty on it, you can't put a penalty on it because
11:22:02 it's called absence of due process.
11:22:05 It's governed by the big people in paper in Washington, the
11:22:10 Constitution.
11:22:11 And if you have a statute that says you can do this, you
11:22:14 cannot then have a sneaky penalty that doesn't exist and
11:22:17 doesn't provide prior notice.
11:22:18 So that's a complete nonsense.
11:22:21 And why I mentioned this to staff, well, I have just don't
11:22:24 agree.
11:22:24 And I said you don't agree with the Constitution are? I
11:22:26 don't agree.
11:22:27 >>SAL TERRITO: I didn't same I don't agree with the
11:22:29 Constitution.
11:22:29 >> Well, at the time --
11:22:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Wait.
11:22:36 Mr. Territo.
11:22:37 Hang on.
11:22:37 Hang on.
11:22:38 >> You know the rules of professional conduct.
11:22:42 So anyhow --
11:22:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN:
11:22:47 [Sounding gavel]
11:22:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Councilwoman Capin is the chair of this
11:22:51 meeting.
11:22:52 And if there's going to be discussion between the two of
11:22:55 you, she has to recognize questions and answers and people
11:23:01 can speak.
11:23:04 And we talked about this before when Mr. Miranda was chair,
11:23:08 when Mr. Reddick was chair, and now with Mr. Suarez,
11:23:12 Councilman.
11:23:15 They run the meeting.
11:23:16 >> But I --
11:23:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So I asked you to come up here to answer
11:23:20 a specific question, not to walk us through the information
11:23:23 that you gave us.
11:23:24 >> Okay.
11:23:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So when I said I want to hear from Mr.
11:23:29 "A," I want to hear about the presentation that was made to
11:23:32 the CRA, to the YCDC, and what the YCDC board, or, you know,
11:23:40 if there were people there from the public, if there were
11:23:43 public comments, what transpired after that presentation was
11:23:47 made?
11:23:48 We can read the statutes.
11:23:50 We are very familiar with the regulations.
11:23:53 We have read Mr. Territo's memorandum.
11:23:56 And we have had conversations, albeit the conversation you
11:23:59 and I had a long time ago when this issue first came up.
11:24:04 And if I am speaking for myself, not the others.
11:24:08 But I know I voiced the concern that once it goes to the
11:24:12 county -- because we were in the middle, if you remember, of
11:24:15 afternoon negotiation with the county at the time on other,
11:24:19 you know, CRA.
11:24:22 So having this discussion at the same time as that
11:24:25 discussion, we were on kind of precarious ground.
11:24:28 So that's no longer an issue but that's what Mr. Territo and
11:24:36 I had discussed way back when this first came up.
11:24:38 And so if you could just tell us about the presentation,
11:24:42 because I do want the presentation --
11:24:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Mrs. Montelione, real quick.
11:24:46 Are you the president of the YCDC?
11:24:48 >> No, I am a board member.
11:24:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And you are speaking for them are?
11:24:53 >> I am speaking for the Ybor City community as well as the
11:24:56 YCDC.
11:24:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Is the president of the YCDC here?
11:25:03 Okay, I just want to make clear.
11:25:09 Thank you very much.
11:25:10 And thank you for clearing up who is in charge.
11:25:16 (Laughter).
11:25:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And, you know, use that gavel.
11:25:21 I encourage you.
11:25:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The convention is affecting everybody.
11:25:27 (Laughter).
11:25:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have been watching every night.
11:25:32 So I understand your thoughts and it came from you.
11:25:38 And that's why I asked you to talk this morning.
11:25:43 But Sean, if you would like to as president answer my
11:25:49 question about the presentation.
11:25:51 Thank you.
11:25:51 >> Sean Robinson, chair of the YCDC for Ybor City.
11:26:01 And yes, the presentation did come to the YCDC group.
11:26:06 We listened to him.
11:26:07 We had some questions back and forth regarding not just his
11:26:11 ultimate proposal but as well as what we initially requested
11:26:15 that I believe was part of the request from the attorney
11:26:17 general about the actual movement of that parcel to the Ybor
11:26:25 CRA.
11:26:26 Overall, from my perspective of what we felt, this was not
11:26:31 just about the money.
11:26:31 I know that that's a big portion of it, but also about what
11:26:35 really should be Ybor City.
11:26:37 And as far as the CRA for Ybor.
11:26:39 And so we presented that request to also look at expanding
11:26:44 Ybor City, the boundaries of it, that was more contiguous,
11:26:48 including going to Adamo, expanding east and making sure we
11:26:53 went to 26th and 275 on that.
11:26:55 So that was additionally -- that was additional to what we
11:26:58 wanted to look at.
11:26:59 But we felt that that was an alternate proposal that we can
11:27:04 look at, get more information.
11:27:07 Our treasurer currently has some concerns as well about that
11:27:10 alternative proposal, whether or not we could actually do
11:27:13 that, taking funds from one CRA and work around to get it to
11:27:18 another CRA.
11:27:19 What we are more, at least from my perspective, more
11:27:23 concerned with the aesthetics of the district and because it
11:27:26 is the connector in Ybor City, that it does meet with than
11:27:30 historic designation that we have, that it is a grand
11:27:33 entrance into Ybor City, and that it doesn't look like it's
11:27:36 someplace else.
11:27:37 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Was there any kind of vote taken at that
11:27:39 meeting?
11:27:40 >> If memory serves me correct, I wasn't prepared to answer
11:27:43 that question.
11:27:44 I believe we did refer that back to get more information.
11:27:46 That was really the vote that was taken.
11:27:53 She's got the minutes there.
11:27:55 There was a motion for the issue to go back to the have been
11:27:59 structure committee which we have as part of the YCDC, new
11:28:03 information presented today, and direct the committee to
11:28:05 evaluate and explore expanding the Ybor City CRA boundaries
11:28:09 within the area of I-4, I-275, Adamo Drive, Nebraska and
11:28:14 26th street at the eastern boundary, and the vote was
11:28:17 passed unanimously.
11:28:18 That was the vote that he would did.
11:28:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it was for more information referring
11:28:22 to the subcommittee.
11:28:24 >> Yes.
11:28:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So it appears that this conversation is
11:28:29 still being had by the YCDC and by its members and by its
11:28:33 board.
11:28:33 >> Yes.
11:28:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So before we can take action as an
11:28:40 agency, we need to have a recommendation from the YCDC, and
11:28:44 from what you just read to me, there is still no
11:28:48 recommendation from the YCDC on this particular subject.
11:28:52 >> That's correct.
11:28:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we need to continue this discussion.
11:29:00 We need to have the YCDC find some resolution, conclusion,
11:29:06 suggestion, that we need to hear from you before we can, you
11:29:11 know, move anything forward and take an action.
11:29:14 I mean, in my mind, that's how it's supposed to work.
11:29:19 That's why we have committees, and we have each of the
11:29:26 committees come and give us a monthly presentation.
11:29:29 You have been here before to give your monthly presentation.
11:29:34 As to what actions and activities are going on in the CRA.
11:29:40 And that's why the CAC, Ybor City Development Corporation is
11:29:44 a little bit different.
11:29:46 >> Yes.
11:29:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Of a structure.
11:29:48 But I think before we make a decision, you guys have to make
11:29:56 a decision.
11:29:56 >> I agree.
11:29:57 And we do have our board meeting next week and hopefully
11:30:00 will have a recommendation from the planning structure
11:30:02 committee to go forward.
11:30:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.
11:30:05 >> Thank you.
11:30:06 >> [Off microphone.]
11:30:14 >>FRANK REDDICK: What was Mrs. Montelione was saying put in
11:30:20 the form of a motion that YCDC report back to this CRA prior
11:30:25 to our next meeting with their recommendation.
11:30:31 That is in August.
11:30:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Plaintiff Robinson said your meeting is
11:30:34 next week.
11:30:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Also, before that motion, I want to hear
11:30:41 from the treasurer.
11:30:42 Are you the treasurer?
11:30:46 Because he mentioned concerns.
11:30:47 What exactly are you talking about?
11:30:49 I'm sure you are going to present it next but you are here.
11:30:52 >> Thank you, City Council for listening to this.
11:30:56 We have had discussion the past year back and forth.
11:30:59 We do feel we fully vetted this.
11:31:01 We have --
11:31:04 >> Please give me your name.
11:31:06 >> I'm sorry.
11:31:07 Grant Eulick, chairman of Ybor City, YCDC.
11:31:15 Personally what I would like to think this council to think
11:31:18 of, we have listened to Sal.
11:31:20 Sal did come and give us a presentation regarding --
11:31:24 speaking outside the box.
11:31:26 And I do appreciate that he did think outside the box as to
11:31:28 having revenue given to Ybor City.
11:31:31 The two biggest things that our board has discussed when we
11:31:35 have concerns is that if you use revenue out of the CRA --
11:31:41 and I am not an attorney, this is just on my research --
11:31:44 which is what Sal has proposed, is I think you have
11:31:48 inherently created a worse problem, because then are you
11:31:52 violating the CRA charter by taking money out of one CRA and
11:31:56 I did verting to the another?
11:31:58 So this discussion that we are having back and forth, I
11:32:00 think that really needs to be vetted out, which then brings
11:32:03 me back to my other point, is that if the YCDC board is just
11:32:08 trying to align our historical boundaries, and this was
11:32:12 something that falls into it, because I still believe from
11:32:15 what I see, from what I have heard, that the most simplest
11:32:18 way is to have this council address and discuss the
11:32:23 modifying the CRA boundaries, and therefore moving this
11:32:26 property into our CRA boundary.
11:32:28 I think what Sal has proposed -- and it's a great idea
11:32:32 outside of the box -- from what I see is it could be
11:32:36 inherently more risky than actually what we are proposing,
11:32:39 which is modifying the boundaries.
11:32:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:32:43 Any questions?
11:32:45 >>FRANK REDDICK: I go back to my motion then.
11:32:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: With your indulgence.
11:32:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: Whatever you all decide to do, you need to
11:32:56 report back your recommendation to this CRA prior to, I
11:33:01 think, August 11th.
11:33:02 >>HARRY COHEN: I'll second it.
11:33:08 I could ask a question of the maker of the motion?
11:33:11 I'm not sure if even the question is germane.
11:33:14 But just so the question is clear, if we get back the
11:33:17 recommendation that they don't wish to go down this road,
11:33:19 would it then be our intent to move down the road of getting
11:33:22 an opinion and going in the other direction?
11:33:27 That would be my sense.
11:33:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: We still have that motion out therein, the
11:33:35 redevelopment association, part of the motion with Mr.
11:33:38 Suarez and include that?
11:33:41 >>SAL TERRITO: [Off microphone.]
11:33:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Councilman Miranda.
11:33:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: On this discussion I haven't spoken, but
11:33:49 it makes sense at the same time that while we wait for the
11:33:53 recommendation that we send the letter in the essence of
11:33:58 time, so you can ask what you think would happen if this
11:34:02 scenario without being direct, and you would get the
11:34:05 information, and then you save time.
11:34:07 We are going to wait now till August 11 to send the letter
11:34:10 and then we get back, you lose a month and a half.
11:34:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Single-family that a friendly amendment?
11:34:20 (multiple discussions).
11:34:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If be this scenario was to happen, what
11:34:26 are the repercussions without being bound by it.
11:34:30 So that you can understand that in essence of time you
11:34:32 certainly enhance the possibility to do what you want to do.
11:34:37 Tampa Florida Redevelopment Association and the Florida
11:34:39 League of Cities, and God if he wants to be involved.
11:34:49 >> He's seen all of it.
11:34:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Do we have a second?
11:34:58 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Second.
11:34:58 Thank you.
11:34:59 So there's a letter that's going to go -- we get that
11:35:04 hopefully back by the 11th.
11:35:06 By that time we will also have the YCDC hopefully make their
11:35:11 decision.
11:35:12 But I want to -- there were two questions here.
11:35:16 One is moving the one parcel from one to the other, and the
11:35:22 other, as we heard just a minute ago, is changing the entire
11:35:25 boundary.
11:35:27 So I just want to make sure that in the letter, that there
11:35:33 are two separate scenarios.
11:35:38 >>SAL TERRITO: The first one is moving one to the other.
11:35:42 The other is not in a CRA area.
11:35:44 So if you want to expand the boundaries just by getting it
11:35:47 from someplace other than CRA, that's not an issue.
11:35:50 But a new parcel, they will get a new baseline.
11:35:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But doing one won include doing the
11:35:55 other.
11:35:56 >>SAL TERRITO: That's up to you.
11:35:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So if you change the whole boundary it
11:35:59 would include the new parcel, it would include the areas,
11:36:01 moving from one CRA to the other, and it would also include
11:36:06 the area that's not currently in the CRA.
11:36:07 >>SAL TERRITO: I understand that, but immaterial saying
11:36:10 it's up to you if you want to Don one or both but the second
11:36:13 one doesn't require an opinion.
11:36:14 That was very clear.
11:36:15 If you want to add property to the CRA first of all the
11:36:19 county has to agree to that.
11:36:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.
11:36:21 No, I understand that.
11:36:22 But if we change the boundary we are only going to do it
11:36:24 once.
11:36:25 And the boundaries --
11:36:29 >>SAL TERRITO: Talking about changing the boundaries --
11:36:34 that's different than changing it to another CRA.
11:36:39 I know what you are asking.
11:36:40 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, we have a motion.
11:36:41 Are you clear on the motion are? Have been.
11:36:43 >>THE CLERK: No, ma'am.
11:36:44 Jim Crew, city clerk's office.
11:36:48 May I ask the full motion be formally stated, please?
11:36:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: Made a motion to first have the YCDC to
11:37:00 report back to the council their recommendation by August
11:37:04 11.
11:37:06 Under CRA.
11:37:09 And then also we had a motion that Mr. Territo send the
11:37:15 letter to the Florida redevelopment association as well as
11:37:17 the League of Cities, and God if he wanted to.
11:37:23 (Laughter)
11:37:24 And who else?
11:37:25 So that was the motion.
11:37:27 >>THE CLERK: Thank you.
11:37:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: We have a motion by Councilman Reddick.
11:37:35 Seconded by Councilman Cohen.
11:37:38 We have a motion by Mr. Reddick.
11:37:41 Seconded by councilman Cohen.
11:37:43 All those in favor?
11:37:44 Opposed?
11:37:46 Unanimous.
11:37:47 Move forward.
11:37:48 Thank you very much, council.
11:37:49 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Item number 4 is informational.
11:37:53 It's an interlocal agreement between the City of Tampa, the
11:37:56 city of St. Petersburg, Pinellas County, and Hillsborough
11:37:59 County.
11:38:00 For a joint funded action to fund a six-month trial with the
11:38:07 ferry.
11:38:08 And the reason the final document did not reach you was that
11:38:12 when you have the attorneys from the City of Tampa, the city
11:38:15 of St. Petersburg, Hillsborough County, and Pinellas County,
11:38:18 everybody wants a bite at the apple.
11:38:23 We saw perhaps an example of that a little while ago.
11:38:26 But there is an action item that we will look at later in
11:38:30 the agenda pertaining to this.
11:38:32 But this gives you a background which will be brought to you
11:38:37 as City Council.
11:38:37 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes, Councilwoman.
11:38:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I have a question for you on the
11:38:47 agreement before you bring it to council.
11:38:51 Maybe you can get the answer to this if you don't have it
11:38:54 now.
11:38:54 Paragraph 27, letter D, Tampa will negotiate in good faith
11:38:59 with HMS to allow HMS to obtain necessary dockage for the
11:39:04 pilot ferry service.
11:39:06 And in the next paragraph 4, letter E, says Tampa shall
11:39:14 waive all docking fees to the pilot ferry service.
11:39:17 So what are we negotiating?
11:39:19 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Well, and I am not even sure if we are
11:39:23 able to waive dockage fees.
11:39:25 And that's something we are looking into right now. This
11:39:27 was a topic that came up yesterday.
11:39:29 The idea is to have a dock at the convention center.
11:39:32 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.
11:39:33 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I believe that's done by ordinance but I
11:39:35 don't know if we have the ability.
11:39:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So if you could --
11:39:42 >>BOB McDONAUGH: That was one of the things that just
11:39:44 dropped up that needed to be delineated, yes.
11:39:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: As I am reading the agreement, that was
11:39:50 pretty much the only concern that I had.
11:39:57 It's a fairly short, straightforward agreement.
11:40:00 Now that everybody has weighed in, I'm surprised it's so
11:40:04 short.
11:40:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just to remind everyone this will not be
11:40:10 coming back tonight which what was originally suggested.
11:40:14 The mayor of St. Petersburg had reached out to me and the
11:40:16 staff to make sure that it was not to be on the agenda
11:40:20 tonight, primarily because there were so many other issues
11:40:23 concerning what it's going to cost and so on.
11:40:26 So we are going to see this back probably as early as our
11:40:29 next regular meeting.
11:40:30 So, you know, hopefully we will be able to have it on the
11:40:38 agenda by next week.
11:40:39 Thank you.
11:40:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ:
11:40:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:40:44 Anyone else?
11:40:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I will just say this.
11:40:47 And I am just talking about myself. This money should never
11:40:49 be spent from the CRA for private venture.
11:40:55 This HMS is a private venture.
11:40:58 They have their own money.
11:40:59 And if they have all the money they need, why are they
11:41:01 coming to us?
11:41:02 If they don't have any money, I don't need them.
11:41:04 So to do this and set up what we are doing, the funding is
11:41:09 set up of a statistical review of what the feasibility
11:41:12 studies are.
11:41:13 And you are spending a million four of which that is 350,000
11:41:18 by four governments to do this.
11:41:20 And if the due diligence of those individuals who own this
11:41:24 company, to guide that company where they want to go, basic
11:41:28 government is what we are all about.
11:41:30 We are not about funding private ventures.
11:41:32 And that's what this is.
11:41:34 If they were to fail then that return would be zero.
11:41:37 If it were to succeed the net return on your 1.47 million is
11:41:41 still zero.
11:41:41 You may have some benefits of other things, but the net
11:41:45 return to taxpayers is zero when you spend 1.4 million.
11:41:49 That's all I have got to say.
11:41:50 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Anyone else?
11:41:53 Thank you.
11:41:55 For your report.
11:41:56 Now public comment.
11:42:01 Thank you.
11:42:04 Public comment.
11:42:06 Start now.
11:42:07 >> Okay, I'm Ed, Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs, which was
11:42:30 mentioned a little bit today.
11:42:32 Okay.
11:42:33 I handed around what's actually homework for next week.
11:42:38 I won't be discussing it today.
11:42:40 There is a little bit about stowage.
11:42:45 Going on history, you can get a sense of social problems of
11:42:48 dab, and here is a little bit about gun control.
11:42:52 All going to these a little bit next week.
11:42:56 But here is a very important one.
11:42:57 I have already distributed this in the past.
11:43:00 And this is very, very, very important if you want to talk
11:43:03 about Riverwalk and things like that.
11:43:05 Well, anyway, talk about poles.
11:43:11 Public works commission -- he's not here, but the public
11:43:14 works commission really needs to get concerned about bicycle
11:43:19 paths, because I already wrote to not TECO but who owns TECO
11:43:24 now about moving poles, because poles interfere with what
11:43:30 could be a solution to the bicycle pathways.
11:43:33 In other words, you don't need 7 and 8-foot sidewalks in
11:43:36 Sulphur Springs.
11:43:37 You need smaller sidewalks, and you need a separation from
11:43:41 these bicycles.
11:43:42 They are coming roaring down the sidewalks.
11:43:51 Anyway, so much for poles.
11:43:52 Okay.
11:43:55 Here is something about the ferry, interesting thing.
11:44:02 You could start checking security all the time, you don't
11:44:08 want a replay of this thing with the psychiatrist or
11:44:11 whatever he was.
11:44:12 He went nuts and killed about, what, eight or ten servicemen
11:44:17 over at that base in Tennessee.
11:44:20 So anyway, an additional plus for the ferry.
11:44:25 Okay.
11:44:29 I notice in this -- this was discuss add lot today -- and
11:44:34 what goes with it is that there's been a little bit of
11:44:37 contraction, I noticed the moneys are a little bit less.
11:44:40 15 million of the money to come.
11:44:44 And the rowing facility that was not really appropriate, I
11:44:48 think, was I think changed into a community center, which is
11:44:52 good.
11:44:54 Okay.
11:44:54 In this regard, this came up last meeting.
11:44:58 After I left.
11:45:00 I didn't realize but something about air conditioning that
11:45:06 will service Channelside.
11:45:07 Now, what is the impact of this on climatic change?
11:45:12 This is the kind of stuff -- this is the way you have got to
11:45:15 start thinking.
11:45:16 Because I am getting tired of this.
11:45:17 I keep circulating about Chevy volts which can make a major
11:45:22 impact, and I have been corresponding with the northeast.
11:45:30 These are approximate people that are going to be on the
11:45:32 line when this staph starts to happen because nothing is
11:45:35 done here.
11:45:35 (Bell sounds)
11:45:37 You are in denial.
11:45:38 And it's the ground zero of climatic change denial here.
11:45:44 Tampa is the ground zero of climatic change denial.
11:45:49 And that might make a difference to the Canadians and the
11:45:52 people in the northeast who will be under ice.
11:45:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Excuse me.
11:46:01 Thank you, sir.
11:46:02 Next.
11:46:03 Thank you.
11:46:03 >> Madam Chair, council, good morning.
11:46:19 My name is Rick Fernandez, 2906 north Elmore, Tampa 33602.
11:46:25 Tampa Heights.
11:46:26 I'm the president of the Tampa Heights Civic Association.
11:46:30 I sent an e-mail out to all of you good folks yesterday
11:46:34 afternoon under a subject heading retention of independent
11:46:38 consultants to address impacts of TBX.
11:46:42 This was an idea borne of this body between two meetings, as
11:46:48 I recall, both in April and May.
11:46:52 Actually kind of cemented itself down in May.
11:46:55 The idea being to hire an independent consultant using CRA
11:46:59 funds from an aggregate of funding from Tampa Heights, from
11:47:04 Ybor, and from downtown.
11:47:07 To hire an independent consultant to do an impact study
11:47:11 related to the TBX project.
11:47:14 What the scope of that study would be, I think that's still
11:47:17 probably a fundable issue.
11:47:18 It seemed to focus mostly on the transcript around economic
11:47:22 impact.
11:47:23 Nonetheless, the conversation took place in May.
11:47:25 There was to be some follow-up on that in June.
11:47:28 I didn't see any evidence of that in reading the transcript.
11:47:31 In fact I think I was hear at the meeting in June and it
11:47:34 didn't come up.
11:47:35 So I wanted to make sure that that I deep did not get lost
11:47:37 somewhere in the shuffle because there's a lot of dust in
11:47:39 the air about a lot of other things.
11:47:41 And it certainly is an issue that we would like to see
11:47:45 advance.
11:47:45 I did visit with Tampa CAC for Tampa Heights, river CAC,
11:47:53 yesterday.
11:47:54 I think it was yesterday.
11:47:55 Monday, Tuesday?
11:47:58 The days are flying.
11:47:59 And they are in support of that.
11:48:03 Bob was there at the time so certainly his memory may be
11:48:07 better or more clear than mine at this point.
11:48:09 But the CAC was supportive.
11:48:11 I also contacted capital and Harvey, and in fact he had a
11:48:17 proxy at that meeting of the CAC, and he confirmed that.
11:48:20 So as far as I know, what is left to be determined is
11:48:23 whether or not downtown and Ybor are on board with be this
11:48:27 in terms of their funds being used for this purpose.
11:48:30 And then developing the scope of what that study might
11:48:33 actually be.
11:48:34 And I do have a subrequest to all of this, and it is that we
11:48:41 see -- the CRAs that are involved and have skin in the game
11:48:45 that we also be allowed some involvement in this process,
11:48:48 whether it be in review of the consultants that might be
11:48:52 proposed, that we have some input on that, maybe even being
11:48:55 able to suggest some consultants to be considered.
11:48:59 Quite honestly when it comes to trust values, in this whole
11:49:03 TBX process, it's relatively low.
11:49:06 It would be nice to have more transparency at this point.
11:49:09 And while we certainly appreciate the study and the intent
11:49:12 behind it we would like to have a little bit more
11:49:14 involvement in that process.
11:49:15 (Bell sounds).
11:49:16 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:49:19 Councilwoman Montelione.
11:49:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. McDonaugh, so requests such as this,
11:49:32 this item that we discussed here quite some time ago, with
11:49:39 an RFP would normally be done, scope of work by your
11:49:46 department, and then at the request of Mr. Spearman?
11:49:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Contract management probably.
11:49:55 Professional services like that.
11:49:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And this would be an expenditure of CRA
11:49:59 funds.
11:50:01 Again, we would have to go back to the CRA to budget.
11:50:05 It would be affecting one or two, to get their approval,
11:50:11 although Mr. Fernandez mentioned that he had talked to them
11:50:14 already, we would need to have someone, the president of
11:50:18 that CRA come and give it theory blessing.
11:50:20 Correct?
11:50:21 >>BOB McDONAUGH: We can have it on each of their agendas at
11:50:25 the month meeting to participate in the funding of the
11:50:29 study, and I'm assuming that would be the Heights, downtown,
11:50:31 and Ybor.
11:50:33 And actually West Tampa as well, because they would be
11:50:35 affected as well.
11:50:37 The expressway.
11:50:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.
11:50:41 And to your point, Mr. Fernandez, is that in order for folks
11:50:47 who do not sit on the board of those CRAs, if you want to
11:50:51 have involvement in the scope of work, or as you suggested,
11:51:02 Tampa RFP process is put out to bid, and then people
11:51:06 respond, so, you know, someone would have to contact if you
11:51:09 have consultants who are interested, we put it out there.
11:51:13 We want people to respond so we don't go out and pick and
11:51:18 choose who the respondents are.
11:51:19 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I think Mr. Fernandez expressed a concern
11:51:22 that it's not someone that is necessarily under contract
11:51:25 with FDOT, because of the potential conflict.
11:51:28 I think that's the concern.
11:51:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And then the scope, likewise, would you
11:51:34 attend each of their meetings of those CRAs, the CACs
11:51:39 and then get involved that way.
11:51:42 So I'll make a motion as a suggestion, thank you, of
11:51:47 Councilman Cohen, that Mr. McDonaugh, the various CRA
11:51:54 managers for the Heights, Ybor, West Tampa, and downtown, be
11:52:02 consulted on whether or not they would be amenable to
11:52:08 funding this study that was requested at our previous CRA
11:52:14 agency meeting.
11:52:15 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Just to be clear, I believe that the
11:52:19 conversation that took place in that meeting was the concern
11:52:24 of exactly what was the economic impact on the value of real
11:52:28 estate adjacent to highways during an expansion phase.
11:52:33 I believe that was kind of where we were going.
11:52:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes, it was an economic --
11:52:37 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Somewhere between an economist and a real
11:52:39 estate appraiser with that would know the information as
11:52:43 to --
11:52:45 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I would also say with input from
11:52:47 transportation engineers, because the amount of traffic that
11:52:51 is going to be put on the street, or be taken off the
11:52:55 street, is also going to play into that.
11:52:57 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Okay.
11:52:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So I don't know that you are going to
11:53:01 find one person with all three qualifications but they might
11:53:04 have to subcontract with others to get about their opinion.
11:53:08 >>BOB McDONAUGH: To opine.
11:53:10 Yes, I will do that.
11:53:11 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you very much.
11:53:12 >>BOB McDONAUGH: That is a motion in itself.
11:53:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We have to vote on this.
11:53:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am going to bring in the last meeting
11:53:28 with the FDOT, I asked the question is this a 20 year plan?
11:53:35 Were any of the people that bought the property 15 years
11:53:37 ago, five years ago, informed of the possibility of their
11:53:40 property being in jeopardy?
11:53:43 And they did not have an answer.
11:53:45 And two days later in the "St. Pete Times" it was stated
11:53:48 that they don't let people know.
11:53:51 They wanted to push it over to the real estate agent, which
11:53:55 if they have the information, they are obligated to divulge
11:54:01 it.
11:54:01 But the real estate agent needs to have the information.
11:54:04 So that part of it, you know, the value is -- we are talking
11:54:09 about here is very important, but it also is very important
11:54:13 for people to be informed as to what's come their way when
11:54:15 they purchase these properties.
11:54:17 And that is not something that took place according to them.
11:54:22 So that's besides -- but I keep repeat approximating it
11:54:27 because I think it is extremely important, as I asked our
11:54:30 transportation director the other day when she presented the
11:54:35 roundabout.
11:54:39 Because they noticed issues with the intersection, that if
11:54:43 they noticed issues with any other intersection, because,
11:54:46 again, those properties are affected if there's a change.
11:54:49 So with that, we have a motion.
11:54:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I need to amend.
11:54:53 Can we include East Tampa as well in that? Because I think
11:54:56 they will also be affected so I think they should all weigh
11:54:59 in.
11:54:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: You accept?
11:55:03 A motion by Councilwoman Montelione, seconded by Councilman
11:55:06 Cohen.
11:55:07 All in favor? Opposed?
11:55:09 Passes.
11:55:09 Thank you so much.
11:55:10 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Agenda item number 5 is a request to move
11:55:15 money within the budget of the downtown CRA, specifically
11:55:19 for the funding of the ferry service trial.
11:55:23 >>YVONNE CAPIN: And the amount?
11:55:26 >>YVONNE CAPIN: 350,000.
11:55:28 306,000.
11:55:29 Specific to the pilot ferry is 350,000.
11:55:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay.
11:55:33 >> Move the item.
11:55:34 >>SAL TERRITO: Moving it internally -- represent [Off
11:55:43 microphone.]
11:55:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I move the item.
11:55:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Moved by Councilman Suarez, seconded by
11:55:52 Councilman Cohen.
11:55:53 All in favor?
11:55:54 Opposed?
11:55:54 Okay.
11:55:54 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda voting no.
11:55:57 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:56:00 >>BOB McDONAUGH: Last but not least, hopefully last but not
11:56:03 least, we have two applications for the Channel District.
11:56:06 And I would ask you to please take a look at their resumés
11:56:10 and choose a member, please.
11:56:12 Neither of the applicants are here this morning.
11:56:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you.
11:56:15 That was my next question.
11:56:17 You read minds pretty well.
11:56:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think Mrs. Foxx-Knowles.
11:56:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: There's two applicants, is that correct?
11:56:44 >> Yes.
11:57:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: It takes me a whale to sign my name.
11:57:52 (Laughter)
11:58:13 Thank you.
11:58:13 We'll move to information reports.
11:58:16 We'll start with Mr. Miranda.
11:58:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: None, ma'am.
11:58:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Councilman Reddick.
11:58:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: No, Madam Chair.
11:58:24 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Councilman Suarez.
11:58:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, I have one item.
11:58:27 It doesn't have anything to do specifically with CRA but
11:58:30 because we always talk about neighborhoods I wanted to
11:58:32 mention something that happened in my neighborhood,
11:58:33 Riverside Heights, last night.
11:58:35 A group of neighbors made a decision to put blue lights on
11:58:39 their porches to support our police officers, and I just
11:58:42 wanted to thank our neighbors, starting with Dakoda Davis
11:58:46 who did this, primarily because of the e-mail -- I shouldn't
11:58:51 say e-mail but she said the presentation by officer Jackson
11:58:56 of Baton Rouge, talked about how tough it was to be a police
11:59:00 officer, and of course left an infant child behind.
11:59:03 And it touched her heart enough that she made a decision to
11:59:07 do this.
11:59:08 And Daniel Bodine and Julianna Bodine, and Chung, and
11:59:17 Collette Duke all came together and did this at our
11:59:22 neighborhood last night.
11:59:23 We had a roll call for our police officers.
11:59:25 It was widely reported last night and it was a wonderful
11:59:28 thing.
11:59:28 It got all the neighbors out into the street.
11:59:31 All of us were there for the roll call.
11:59:33 All of us were there to essentially acknowledge the support
11:59:36 that we give to our police officers, but at the same time --
11:59:39 and I think more importantly, it really brought with out
11:59:44 neighbors to an event that was totally brought up from the
11:59:46 ground up and not because someone had told them that they
11:59:49 had to be there or anything else.
11:59:50 It was really about the neighborhood coming together.
11:59:52 And I just wanted to thank all of them for doing that at
11:59:55 Riverside Heights. It was a wonderful experience.
11:59:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am going to interrupt.
12:00:01 I think we have our results.
12:00:02 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: Good morning, council.
12:00:08 Shirley Foxx-Knowles, CRA city clerk.
12:00:14 The individual collect selected for the Channel District CRA
12:00:16 community advisory committee is Elise Batsel.
12:00:27 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you and congratulations.
12:00:30 We will continue with our information reports.
12:00:34 Councilman Maniscalco?
12:00:36 >>HARRY COHEN: No new business.
12:00:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: No.
12:00:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No new business.
12:00:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move to file --
12:00:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Wait, wait, my turn.
12:00:46 (Laughter)
12:00:55 Here we go.
12:00:57 I just want to state this, and it's in vain with what Mr --
12:01:02 what Councilman Suarez said.
12:01:04 This morning, my colleague Maniscalco is wearing a police
12:01:12 badge with the black ribbon, and -- oh, Councilman Suarez,
12:01:18 also.
12:01:19 I didn't see yours this morning.
12:01:22 And it's sad that he and our law enforcement people are
12:01:34 wearing these badges with the black ribbon on them.
12:01:38 At the same time, it is a sign of mourning, it's also a sign
12:01:42 of solidarity, and it's very important that we keep that in
12:01:46 mind.
12:01:47 I want to just say something about our police Chief Ward.
12:01:54 When he came on board, he came on board as they say baptism
12:01:59 by fire at the time, and he has proven to me that he has a
12:02:04 steady and firm hand on leading our men and women in blue.
12:02:09 I also want to give a shoutout to the leaders of the
12:02:12 African-American community in helping to defuse what could
12:02:18 have been a very divisive time and held the community with a
12:02:26 very tight hug.
12:02:27 To all the law enforcement community, stay safe while
12:02:33 keeping our city safe.
12:02:35 The city leaders have an obligation to call out.
12:02:40 It is unacceptable, discriminatory culture, and we did, and
12:02:48 I feel that that was part of why this very volatile,
12:02:58 possibly volatile situation was defused, because it was
12:03:02 taken up and it was very seriously taken up.
12:03:05 So thank you to our new chief.
12:03:08 He's not new anymore bum he was new.
12:03:11 Chief Ward on his steady hand.
12:03:13 That's it.
12:03:14 That's what I wanted to mention today.
12:03:16 Thank you.
12:03:16 >> So we are adjourned.
12:03:21 >>THE CLERK: Who made the motion, please?
12:03:34 >> All in favor?
12:03:37 And it passes.
12:03:38 >> 6:00 tonight or 5:30?
12:03:41 >>HARRY COHEN: 5:30.
12:03:44 (CRA meeting adjourned.)
12:04:29
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