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Tampa City Council

Thursday, August 25, 2016

9 a.m. Session



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08:51:43 [Sounding gavel]

09:02:59 >> CHAIRMAN SUAREZ: Welcome to Tampa City Council.

09:03:01 The chair recognizes Charlie Miranda.

09:03:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: It's my honor this morning to welcome

09:03:09 Bishop Tom Scott.

09:03:11 Bishop Scott has been pastor of the children of God.

09:03:19 He's been married for 38 years.

09:03:22 His wife for 45.

09:03:24 Because married to a Bishop you really have to work hard at

09:03:28 the house.

09:03:30 He's always tending to somebody else's problems and we

09:03:34 welcome that.

09:03:35 He has two sons, one daughter, and 12 grandchildren.

09:03:39 Honorable member of the Tampa police department.




09:03:41 But beside all of that, Bishop Scott has been a friend of

09:03:45 this city and he's done an outstanding job.

09:03:58 He always has my sit to his left.

09:04:04 And I welcome him and pastor Bishop Scott gives the

09:04:08 invocation.

09:04:08 I would ask Steve Michelini to give a history of the passing

09:04:18 of pastor Monsignor Higgins.

09:04:21 >> Reverend Tom Scott: To my good friend, thank you very

09:04:28 much for that wonderful introduction.

09:04:29 It's an always pleasure to come and ask God's blessings upon

09:04:34 our nation and upon the work that you do that's so

09:04:36 important.

09:04:37 And because I have served with many of you, recognize that

09:04:42 you have a lot on your plate and today we ask God's

09:04:45 blessings upon you and also remembering Monsignor Higgins

09:04:48 who was a legend and giant in his own rite in this

09:04:52 community.

09:04:52 Shall we pray?

09:04:53 Father, we are always reminded of what you instruct us to do

09:04:58 and that is to acknowledge you in all of our ways and so

09:05:04 today we pause to recognize you and your greatness and what

09:05:07 you have done for us as a nation, as a country.

09:05:11 Today, we are one of the greatest nations in the world and

09:05:17 we thank you inform democracy, freedom, justice, and

09:05:19 equality for all.




09:05:21 We thank you for such a great nation.

09:05:22 We pray now that you bless our leaders and those in

09:05:26 Washington, those in Tallahassee, and then our city leaders

09:05:29 today, we pray for this City Council as they deliberate over

09:05:34 such challenging issues.

09:05:37 I pray today you give them wisdom, give them knowledge, give

09:05:41 them skills and ability to hear from the community.

09:05:45 Be with them as they make tough decisions today.

09:05:48 And then we pause to recognize Monsignor Higgins who was a

09:05:54 giant and who served this community well.

09:05:55 We pray for his family.

09:05:57 And we pray now for Italy, and the earthquake and the loss

09:06:02 of life.

09:06:02 We pray that you will bless them and strengthen them and

09:06:06 meet every need.

09:06:06 Thank you now for this country, this nation.

09:06:09 Thank you for those who protect us for freedom around the

09:06:13 world, and those who protect us here at home.

09:06:16 Our law enforcement officers, our fire rescue, we ask you

09:06:22 protect them day in and day out.

09:06:24 Cover them with your grace.

09:06:25 It is in your name that we pray.

09:06:27 Amen.

09:06:27 [ Pledge of Allegiance ]

09:06:47 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Good morning.




09:06:48 I'm honored and privileged to present this own behalf of

09:06:51 Monsignor Higgins.

09:06:52 Some 60 years ago a young Irishman arrived in Tampa and this

09:06:57 community was never the same since.

09:06:59 Monsignor Higgins was tirelessly planned and thought to

09:07:04 build Saint Laurence Parish.

09:07:08 Imagine the great Tampa Bay area without professional

09:07:10 sports, renowned public and private leaders, thousands upon

09:07:15 thousands of marriages, baptisms and funerals.

09:07:18 He walked with kings, presidents, world leaders, Popes,

09:07:22 senators, governors, yet never lost the common touch.

09:07:25 He filled the unforgiving minute with 60 seconds worth of

09:07:29 distance run.

09:07:30 His counsel was sought by many when times were good as well

09:07:32 as bad.

09:07:33 He saw the ebb and flow of prosperity and decline.

09:07:37 Tampa was chosen as his home.

09:07:41 No, the chose him and appraised him for all he has done.

09:07:46 A native son not by birth but by acclimation.

09:07:50 Monsignor Higgins was long believed that Tampa community

09:07:54 could and would be great.

09:07:56 Every breath of his was dedicated to his people in our

09:07:58 community.

09:07:59 Much has been accomplished and yet much remains to be done.

09:08:02 Who among us is ready to carry the banner, pick up the




09:08:06 torch, follow the path, and have the courage to lead and not

09:08:09 to follow?

09:08:10 The path ahead is not a life hearted or weak one.

09:08:14 It's not for the weak of spirit or weak of conviction.

09:08:17 By example, Higgins sought to build strong leaders by

09:08:20 example of dedication through moral courage.

09:08:23 It is with sincere and heartfelt gratitude that we mourn his

09:08:27 passing, recognize and applaud that spirit and urge --

09:08:31 encourage other itself to take up that spite, cherish it.

09:08:37 It is ours to win or lose.

09:08:38 It is for that reason that we honor Monsignor Higgins, a

09:08:41 person of great courage, compassion, wisdom, understanding,

09:08:45 who never judged regardless of the transgression.

09:08:47 He lifted up the downtrodden and welcomed the success of all

09:08:52 great and small.

09:08:53 Tampa has lost a visionary and leader in Monsignor Higgins.

09:08:57 He left us with this challenge.

09:08:59 Do more for your community than it asks of you.

09:09:02 Give more and take less.

09:09:04 Look to the future and make it better than the past.

09:09:07 Don't be afraid of failure.

09:09:08 Success is built upon it.

09:09:10 Be grateful for what you have.

09:09:13 So many others have less.

09:09:15 Never forget you can make a difference.




09:09:17 Maintain faith and courage.

09:09:18 They are fundamental elements that will sustain you.

09:09:21 Look for the best in others and you will find it in

09:09:24 yourself.

09:09:25 Strive for excellence instill hope, empower the right,

09:09:29 vanquish the wrong.

09:09:30 Thank you.

09:09:36 [ Applause ]

09:09:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Here.

09:09:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Present.

09:09:50 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

09:09:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.

09:10:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

09:10:01 We have a motion from Mr. Miranda to approve the memorandum

09:10:06 to the agenda.

09:10:07 All in favor? Any opposed?

09:10:09 Mrs. Capin.

09:10:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I just want to share a memory of Monsignor

09:10:14 Higgins.

09:10:15 When I was a very young teenager, we moved from Ybor to West

09:10:18 Tampa.

09:10:19 And he was recruiting for his new church there on Himes.

09:10:30 He knocked on the door and he asked my mother for Yvonne

09:10:35 LIMA.

09:10:36 That's my family name.




09:10:37 He came in and he sat down.

09:10:39 And I was amazed how does he know my name?

09:10:41 Of course I was baptized Catholic so they have all the

09:10:44 records.

09:10:44 And he wanted to see me because he came on my birthday,

09:10:48 which was August 30th.

09:10:49 He wanted to let me know that that was saint ROSA limba day.

09:10:56 And I said thank you.

09:10:57 And I'm glad my mother didn't know because my name would be

09:11:00 Rosa.

09:11:01 So I just want to share that.

09:11:02 He knocked on doors to bring people to his congregation.

09:11:09 So thank you for those words.

09:11:11 And I just wanted to share that little bit of my experience

09:11:14 with father Higgins.

09:11:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All right, the first item on the agenda is

09:11:19 our presentation and commendation to the Police Officer of

09:11:21 the Month.

09:11:22 And doing the honors is Councilman Charlie Miranda.

09:11:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Honorable members of Tampa City Council,

09:11:33 my pleasure this morning to present the police Officer of

09:11:35 the Month.

09:11:37 This month goes to detective Carroll Gene McClain.

09:11:41 Let me explain what I heard.

09:11:43 You know, chief, sometimes you have to have a helper.




09:11:48 You call it something else.

09:11:49 I call it a helper.

09:11:50 They tell me that you can undo anything and find out what

09:11:58 happens.

09:11:59 Is that correct?

09:11:59 That's why I don't use cell phones.

09:12:02 (Laughter)

09:12:03 I have to be honest, chief.

09:12:04 You have got to know the system.

09:12:06 You know what I mean?

09:12:08 It's a new paper trail.

09:12:10 But what you have done -- and I say this quite often -- we

09:12:13 can debate anyone, in this great country what they do with

09:12:19 the police department, and it takes 100th of a second

09:12:23 for you ladies and gentlemen to make a decision and that's

09:12:25 what life is about.

09:12:26 And I'm honored to say here that the City of Tampa has a

09:12:30 great police department, great leadership.

09:12:32 But it takes a portion of that police department to hold up

09:12:36 that leadership.

09:12:38 And I honor not only yourself today, sir, but all the police

09:12:41 department.

09:12:42 I turn it over now to the chief.

09:12:44 >> Chief: Thank you, Mr. Miranda.

09:12:48 Assistant chief Marc Hamlin on behalf of Chief Ward.




09:12:53 I'm happy to present to you detective Gene McClain, a 15

09:12:57 year veteran of the Tampa police department.

09:13:00 About 15 years ago began a task force worldwide not just in

09:13:04 the USA, and they had a lab here in Tampa Bay, and the

09:13:11 secret service requested our participation, and we

09:13:13 immediately selected detective McClain because of his

09:13:18 expertise and he was very eager.

09:13:20 He began training.

09:13:21 He took about nine highly technical level classes, and what

09:13:25 this does for us is previously we took the cell phone to the

09:13:28 state lab and the state lab is very busy, they handle all

09:13:31 the agencies in the state, and there was an extensive

09:13:34 backlog.

09:13:35 So Gene worked with our legal department and created the

09:13:38 forms that would authorize him to perform these exams on the

09:13:41 phone, and he also created a stand and search warrant form

09:13:44 that he would be able to use that had the specific language

09:13:47 that he could actually search the phone.

09:13:49 So he began training the detectives throughout the

09:13:52 department so they were aware of the capabilities we have

09:13:54 with this technology now.

09:13:55 And he was able to do a forensic exam and in less than a

09:13:59 month and it used to take us about nine months.

09:14:02 You can see what the value was.

09:14:04 Since the inception of the program, Gene has conducted over




09:14:07 120 forensic exams on these phones and help detectives

09:14:11 establish probable cause for arrest.

09:14:13 I couldn't even begin to tell you the amount of key cases we

09:14:16 solved quickly rather than long-term which saved a lot of

09:14:19 victims in the City of Tampa.

09:14:21 So in recognition of his outstanding work and the launching

09:14:23 of vital programs in the department and ultimately providing

09:14:26 better service to our citizens, detective Gene McClain has

09:14:29 been selected Officer of the Month for August 2015.

09:14:34 [ Applause ]

09:14:41 >> Vinny Gericitano with the PBA, and Gene Haines, Vice

09:14:55 President of the PBA.

09:14:58 Rosa mesh of the PBA, almost 1,000 police officers, do a

09:15:03 great job every day.

09:15:04 We are very proud of what he's done.

09:15:06 Gene, as a token of our appreciation, being a great PBA

09:15:10 member, I would like to give you a PBA watch, and thank you

09:15:14 very much.

09:15:15 >> I appreciate it.

09:15:17 Thank you.

09:15:17 >> Dan Mathis, Jr., chief of security with the Straz center

09:15:24 in Tampa.

09:15:25 On behalf of the Straz Center, I would like to present two

09:15:28 tickets to you and yours to one of our more entertaining

09:15:32 shows, the illusioner this season.




09:15:35 Thank you.

09:15:36 >> Joe Durkin on behalf of Bright House networks.

09:15:45 Congratulations.

09:15:46 Very proud of you.

09:15:49 I would like to present you with one month of complimentary

09:15:53 services to high speed Internet, make your life a little

09:15:56 easier.

09:15:57 >> My name is Karen Vargas, Busch Gardens Adventure Islands.

09:16:10 Thank you for serving us.

09:16:12 >> On behalf of the theater I would like to thank you and

09:16:22 appreciate all that you do.

09:16:24 We have ticket to a movie.

09:16:26 >> Thank you.

09:16:29 I appreciate it.

09:16:30 >> Stepp's towing service.

09:16:37 On behalf of Todd Stepp and the Stepps Towing family we

09:16:41 would like to present with you a $50 bass pro gift card and

09:16:46 a night out in our company limousine for you and your family

09:16:50 and friends.

09:16:50 Enjoy your night.

09:16:51 We appreciate everything you do.

09:16:53 Thank you for a job well done.

09:16:54 >> Frank DeSoto representing Bill Currie Ford and the Currie

09:17:03 family.

09:17:05 We are proud to be part of the program along with City




09:17:07 Council and the entire City of Tampa and the police

09:17:09 department, and congratulate you on a job well done.

09:17:14 We have for you a custom design high performance Mustang,

09:17:21 and we wish it could be the real thing but that's the best

09:17:24 we could do for now.

09:17:28 (Laughter)

09:17:30 >> Keith Stickley representing crock's towing, on behalf of

09:17:43 Scott towing a $50 gift card, and the Doubletree hotel, she

09:17:53 was unable to make it today but will make it up to you.

09:17:58 We appreciate it.

09:17:59 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Don't mess around with the super snoops.

09:18:05 Steve Michelini here on behalf of a couple different folks.

09:18:09 One is Prestige Portraits where you can go and have your

09:18:11 family portrait taken with them.

09:18:14 On behalf of the Ciccio's restaurant group, your choice,

09:18:20 breakfast, lunch or dinner.

09:18:22 On behalf of Byblos cafe, go enjoy yourself for dinner and

09:18:27 take the limousine and go have fun down there.

09:18:30 Then on behalf of yummy house China bistro they are going to

09:18:34 provide you with a gift certificate so you can enjoy

09:18:36 yourself as well for dinner or lunch, and we'll get that

09:18:39 gift card to you.

09:18:41 Thank you very much.

09:18:42 Congratulations.

09:18:42 And thank you for what you do for us.




09:18:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Do you want to do the presentation?

09:18:53 And this goes to detective, and do a lot of cell phones, and

09:19:00 if you don't talk so much are we are going to let you

09:19:02 address the council and what you do in the police department

09:19:05 and thanks again for everything you have done.

09:19:12 We thank you for all the crime that you help solve along

09:19:14 with the chief and everybody else.

09:19:16 We are very proud of you.

09:19:17 >> Thank you, sir.

09:19:18 I appreciate it.

09:19:19 >> First of all, I would like to thank the council, the

09:19:25 supervisors and staff of Tampa Police Department.

09:19:28 I am honored, and more so humbled by being selected.

09:19:32 Given the amount of daily effort by each one of our officers

09:19:36 at the Tampa Police Department, any one of them could be up

09:19:39 here right now for a multitude of different reasons

09:19:44 throughout each of their day.

09:19:45 I really appreciate this.

09:19:47 I look forward to continuing what I am doing.

09:19:50 And those who show the testament to the interaction we have

09:19:56 with our agencies here in the Tampa Bay area, having lived

09:19:59 and worked in other areas of the country, we have an

09:20:02 unprecedented relationship with our federal agencies here.

09:20:05 We work seamlessly together.

09:20:07 And we really enjoy the interaction and support that we get




09:20:10 from our partners.

09:20:12 So thank you very much.

09:20:13 I appreciate it.

09:20:16 [ Applause ]

09:20:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, officer.

09:20:20 Item number 2 is a presentation that Councilman Reddick will

09:20:33 introduce.

09:20:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

09:20:35 I am pleased and honored to have with us today and give us a

09:20:40 presentation on the organization for the City of Tampa, West

09:20:45 Tampa, Dress for Success.

09:20:47 And three members that will come up and say a word or two.

09:20:57 Katie McGill, Judy Bensinger and Sally Lopez.

09:21:03 If they will come forward.

09:21:04 >> Good morning.

09:21:08 To the honorable council members, my name is Katie McGill,

09:21:11 the Executive Director of Dress for Success Tampa Bay.

09:21:15 First, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to use

09:21:18 the building in West Tampa.

09:21:20 Since 1998, Dress for Success has suited more than 12,000

09:21:26 women in the Tampa Bay area and surrounding communities.

09:21:29 Dress for Success gives business attire to women for a first

09:21:36 impression but we go beyond the suit.

09:21:38 If we can get our presentation up, please.

09:21:42 We go beyond the suit.




09:21:44 We have programs to help them get on track and stay on

09:21:48 track.

09:21:49 For example, we take them on tours to different companies to

09:21:53 be expose them to different work environments and different

09:21:56 companies.

09:21:58 We also provide a computer lab where they can get computer

09:22:01 training and resumé help.

09:22:04 Over 65% of the women participate in an employment program

09:22:09 called going places, gaining employment.

09:22:13 We have 65 women in our professional women's group.

09:22:19 This is our job.

09:22:22 We not only want them to get a job, we want them to keep the

09:22:26 job.

09:22:26 Because of the number of programs that we have, we really

09:22:31 have outgrown our building.

09:22:35 We could do so much more if we had more space.

09:22:38 Most of the programs that we have you are off-site due to

09:22:41 the lack of space.

09:22:43 And at the end of the day it's about job placement.

09:22:45 And these programs are needed to help these ladies get back

09:22:50 to work.

09:22:52 Our women provide service to our community.

09:22:59 They participate in a community action project, and some of

09:23:04 the women volunteer at camps, training cafe, and some of our

09:23:11 latest Dress for Success volunteers.




09:23:14 I am so thankful to be able to serve a wonderful and amazing

09:23:18 group of women in our Tampa Bay community.

09:23:21 And we could do so much more if we had the space.

09:23:23 Right now we have three dressing rooms, so we have to dress

09:23:27 three women at a time.

09:23:29 And we are really tight, because if we could suit more

09:23:34 women, we could go over the 12,000 that we have served since

09:23:38 1998.

09:23:39 When a woman walks through the door, the Dress for Success,

09:23:43 she's on a journey.

09:23:45 And now I have one of our board members to come up and talk

09:23:48 about the journey when she walked in the door of Dress for

09:23:51 Success.

09:23:52 Thank you.

09:23:52 >> Good morning, honorable council members.

09:24:01 I'm Judy Bensinger, board of director, community relations,

09:24:06 Dress for Success, Tampa Bay.

09:24:08 The women, the clients we serve, at Dress for Success, come

09:24:12 to us from tough challenging circumstances, homeless

09:24:17 shelters, substance abuse treatment programs, financial

09:24:21 crisis.

09:24:21 We take a personal yet professional approach with them.

09:24:24 Not only do we wrap our arms around them, we put our

09:24:28 programs to work for them.

09:24:30 I would like you to take a brief journey with me of the




09:24:33 women for Dress for Success on their road to

09:24:36 self-sufficiency and success.

09:24:41 The process begins when our clients are referred to us from

09:24:47 more than 100 agencies in the Tampa Bay area.

09:24:50 Many you will recognize because of the outstanding they do.

09:24:52 They include AARP, career source, Metropolitan Ministries,

09:24:57 Spring, and Dacco.

09:25:00 Prior to job interviews our clients come to us to be suited.

09:25:07 That's the next step.

09:25:09 The sitting appointments.

09:25:10 We provide clothing for them.

09:25:12 Business attire, and help put together a look that will give

09:25:15 them hope and style.

09:25:19 After the sitting from that point they move onto our first

09:25:22 impressions program, and this is a meeting where interview

09:25:25 preparation.

09:25:26 We have them work on job interviews with professionals who

09:25:33 come to Dress for Success and volunteer their time because

09:25:35 we know it's not just how they look but what they say and

09:25:38 how they communicate during their time with the perspective

09:25:42 employer.

09:25:42 The next step is GP, one of our signature programs.

09:25:47 In fact this program is made possible for us by a $2 million

09:25:50 grant that we received from the WalMart foundation one of

09:25:56 our corporate sponsors, a course that offers one on one




09:26:00 counseling, job training, professional skills, and then at

09:26:03 the end of that program they graduate, and they go on to get

09:26:06 jobs.

09:26:10 When they land the job, which is what this is all about,

09:26:13 they can come back to us for more suiting.

09:26:16 We offer several additional outfits for them that they

09:26:20 continue going to work.

09:26:22 At that point when they are employed, they are invited to

09:26:25 participate in our PW group, a very popular group,

09:26:29 professional women's group.

09:26:30 We expose our clients to working women who come and give

09:26:33 them advice, share their stories, their experiences, and

09:26:38 help them navigate their way through the working world.

09:26:41 Some of the topics they explore includes health and fitness,

09:26:45 budgeting and finance, business etiquette and how to

09:26:49 survive.

09:26:50 Dress for Success provides these programs to women because

09:26:54 we truly care.

09:26:56 And once we provided these resources, once we had a chance

09:26:59 to make an impact on their lives, we have a very high rate

09:27:02 of them achieving self-sufficiency, and that's what it's all

09:27:07 about.

09:27:10 As the business director explained we would like to have

09:27:12 more programs at our location.

09:27:13 We would like to be able to plan events without worrying




09:27:17 about whether we can schedule things at the library or

09:27:19 another group to get a conference room.

09:27:23 So we hope you will support us as we look for new building,

09:27:26 new location, new spaces.

09:27:28 And as we think about space for our program, and space for

09:27:32 the women, because we care so much about the women of Tampa

09:27:36 Bay, let's remember to commit a space for them in our house.

09:27:41 I would like at this time for you to meet one of our client

09:27:44 success stories.

09:27:45 Please welcome Sally Lopez.

09:28:00 >> Hello, honorable council members.

09:28:02 My name is Sally Lopez.

09:28:04 I am proud to say that I have been a member of professional

09:28:06 women's group Dress for Success for eight years.

09:28:10 As a member, I have been empowered by the speakers and the

09:28:13 many educational and mentors and their workshops that they

09:28:17 have offered.

09:28:18 The networking and activity they provide have helped me grow

09:28:22 and become a confident woman.

09:28:25 In 2013, I was given the opportunity to be a delegate and

09:28:31 attend the success summit, women's leadership conference, in

09:28:35 Miami.

09:28:36 It was a great honor to be chosen.

09:28:39 During that summit, I was encouraged to coordinate a project

09:28:42 that involved other members of our local group.




09:28:47 Our project was a symposium for the community, to bring

09:28:50 awareness on anti-bullying at our schools, workplace and

09:28:55 social media.

09:28:57 Our programs included keynote speakers, centers, and other

09:29:01 nonprofit organizations for the community action project,

09:29:06 and it was a great success.

09:29:10 I am proud to also say that we were to ten worldwide.

09:29:16 The Dress for Success leadership and career development

09:29:19 program has helped me become a better leader in our

09:29:23 community, both personally and professionally.

09:29:27 And this year, I am celebrating six years as a case manager

09:29:33 for the county for the health insurance program.

09:29:38 This fall I am also proud to receive the professional

09:29:43 women's group scholarship program.

09:29:45 The scholarship is giving me an opportunity to fulfill my

09:29:49 dream and achieve my goals in being a realtor.

09:29:55 The women and professional women's group has made a huge

09:29:58 difference in my life.

09:30:01 They have enhanced the lives of other women as part of this

09:30:06 great organization.

09:30:08 We are growing stronger, and our numbers are increasing.

09:30:13 I remember when I started there was only like 10 or 11 of us

09:30:17 and now there's over 60.

09:30:23 And I will leave you with one of my favorite quotes.

09:30:27 A woman's best attire is her confidence, and her best




09:30:32 accessory is her smile.

09:30:34 Thank you very much.

09:30:35 [ Applause ]

09:30:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:30:45 >>FRANK REDDICK: Mr. Chair, let me thank them for coming

09:30:48 today.

09:30:49 And I hope the mayor is listening, so he can hear your plea

09:30:55 for additional space.

09:30:58 And I hope he's watching this.

09:31:00 I know he's going to watch it later, not now.

09:31:04 But also, Mrs. McGill, I want to thank you, and if you have

09:31:14 additional board members here would you just have them stand

09:31:16 and be recognized?

09:31:19 [ Applause ]

09:31:21 Finally, I got to question why Thomas Scott is sitting next

09:31:31 to you all.

09:31:32 (Laughter)

09:31:33 I thought he was on the board, too.

09:31:35 Thank you, Mr. Chair.

09:31:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:31:38 Mrs. Montelione.

09:31:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Jessica Rivelli said that they needed

09:31:49 shoes.

09:31:50 So I have more, but I didn't want to bring a whole bag full

09:31:56 here.




09:31:56 So I want to give you these.

09:32:04 Here are some shoes.

09:32:10 When I find more clothes -- (Laughter).

09:32:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: When I was growing up, shoes were to

09:32:21 make a difference like right or left.

09:32:23 I couldn't say those words but I understand what you are

09:32:25 saying, Ms. Lopez.

09:32:31 It's about giving yourself confidence.

09:32:34 Everybody in the world with zero confidence doesn't go

09:32:37 nowhere.

09:32:37 If you have confidence in yourself and your smile and you

09:32:40 take baby steps at first, you will succeed.

09:32:43 And I'm so happy and proud of you.

09:32:45 And as Mr. Reddick said, if the mayor is watching the

09:32:48 program, the mayor is watching the program.

09:32:51 (Laughter).

09:32:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:32:54 Any other questions or comments?

09:32:55 Before we go forward I want to point out, I'm in the

09:32:57 insurance industry, and many years ago there was a guy that

09:33:00 worked at the agency, and he would not be in the hallway

09:33:07 without his jacket and his tie.

09:33:09 You go into his office he would take off his jacket but when

09:33:11 he would leave the office even to be in the hallway he would

09:33:14 have his jacket and tie.




09:33:16 One of the most professional men I ever met in my life and

09:33:19 he was a wonderful person to boot.

09:33:20 So this program actually means so much more to all the

09:33:23 people out in the business community because we have seen a

09:33:25 slacking of people dressing for success, and we appreciate

09:33:29 the fact that you are dressing to make sure that people

09:33:31 understand that you are both professional and empowered and

09:33:35 that you understand your business better than anyone else.

09:33:38 And thank you so much for presenting the program.

09:33:40 And continue on your hard work and Mr. Miranda is correct,

09:33:45 the mayor is watching, and hopefully maybe there's some

09:33:48 space out there somewhere.

09:33:49 So thank you so much for being here.

09:33:51 We appreciate it.

09:33:53 Okay.

09:33:53 Next up on our agenda is a presentation from Ms. Victoria

09:34:00 Cannella.

09:34:01 I met Victoria at an event for American Legion post 248.

09:34:07 Post 248 has closed down recently but was very famous in

09:34:11 Tampa.

09:34:11 And Mr. Miranda will be glad to tell you about the number of

09:34:14 baseball players that came out of American Legion post 248.

09:34:18 Her idea was a nonprofit to help troops that are returning

09:34:22 back from war zones or need some vacations and paying for

09:34:28 those vacations as they go forward.




09:34:31 Ms. Cannella, thank you for being here.

09:34:33 I would like you to go ahead and make your presentation.

09:34:35 >> Good morning, honorable council members.

09:34:38 My name is Victor Cannella, the founder and president of

09:34:41 trek for troops.

09:34:42 I'm 17 years old, and senior at Robinson high school in the

09:34:48 IV program.

09:34:49 I wanted to start a nonprofit that would help our military.

09:34:52 I spent some time doing research to finalize the name and

09:34:56 purpose of my organization, and during a family vacation the

09:34:59 idea of trek for troops hit me.

09:35:03 I walked around the American cemetery in Normandy discussing

09:35:06 D day with my father.

09:35:07 I was both humbled by the level of sacrifice our military

09:35:10 and families make, and how blessed I was to be experience it

09:35:15 while on vacation with my family.

09:35:18 This is when trek for troops was born, and when I got back

09:35:21 to the states I got to work.

09:35:25 I decided that I wanted to do this for deserving military

09:35:30 families.

09:35:30 I find little things like my sister and I getting better

09:35:33 along on vacations, and a big difference between the

09:35:38 everyday life.

09:35:39 You don't have to worry about being stressed at work and

09:35:42 laundry and other day to day details.




09:35:45 If I could have the same experience for a deserving family I

09:35:48 could give back and show them a small token of appreciation

09:35:50 for all the sacrifices they and their families make.

09:35:53 When people serve in the military their job can be very

09:35:56 stressful and their sacrifice can impact every member of the

09:35:59 family unit.

09:36:00 It is everything from the baseball game to recital,

09:36:04 birthdays and much more.

09:36:05 And sometimes it impacts the relationship between the parent

09:36:07 and can also impact the parental relationship with their

09:36:10 children.

09:36:12 If they can have this time doing some activities without

09:36:15 stress, they will be able to build stronger family bonds and

09:36:18 have unforgettable memories and great times.

09:36:21 I strongly feel that these are necessary for any family to

09:36:25 help them through situations that may arise in the future

09:36:27 and build stronger long-term relationships.

09:36:29 Family is everything.

09:36:31 And it's an institution that needs to be cherished.

09:36:34 It is a 501(c)3 nonprofit.

09:36:43 I am proud to say with much help with from my friends I was

09:36:46 able to raise enough money to send my first family on

09:36:49 vacation in March 2016.

09:36:51 Through the help of the American Legion an and V.A. we found

09:36:54 a much deserving family and were able to award them the




09:36:57 family trip at a wonderful venue during an American Legion

09:37:00 meeting.

09:37:01 As you can imagine many hugs and tears and surprised faces

09:37:04 were seen on the kids as they had no idea why they were

09:37:07 there and the family vocation was not even in their

09:37:11 vocabulary due to financial reasons and much more.

09:37:14 Let me tell you a little about the family and you will

09:37:16 understand why it was so important to me.

09:37:18 Our award recipient was a single mother caring for her kids.

09:37:22 She served in the military and was injured during service.

09:37:24 She did not try to get disability or get out of work.

09:37:27 She persevered.

09:37:28 She did not come from a wealthy family and she had to fight

09:37:31 all her life.

09:37:32 She was married young, had a son, and things did not work

09:37:35 out.

09:37:36 After many years of struggling she met the man of her

09:37:39 dreams.

09:37:39 Heed two young boys and they were abandoned by their mother.

09:37:45 They got engaged and going to get married this past April

09:37:48 but unfortunately her fiance suddenly passed away from a

09:37:51 sudden heart condition at home six months before they were

09:37:55 to be married.

09:37:56 This is very tragic but she persevered and took full

09:38:00 responsibility for the boys.




09:38:01 She knew they had no place to go and refused to give them

09:38:03 up.

09:38:04 She worked very hard to make ends meet and to provide a

09:38:07 stable home for the boys and help them succeed.

09:38:09 The boys had never been on vacation or traveled anywhere

09:38:11 outside this area.

09:38:12 With their father's recent death and their financial status,

09:38:16 a family vacation was not an option.

09:38:19 It was such an amazing feeling when we heard they were going

09:38:23 to be able to enjoy this experience.

09:38:24 And it was great to help them plan a trip and see my hard

09:38:28 work pay off.

09:38:31 It is very hard to raise funds because it's not hard to come

09:38:36 across.

09:38:37 But harder when you are brand new.

09:38:39 The money was raised during car washes and nights at Chick

09:38:45 Fil-A as well as a couple of corporate donors.

09:38:48 100% of the money raised to S to pay for the vacation.

09:38:51 My dream is to get to where I can send four or five families

09:38:55 a year.

09:38:55 It costs around $57,000 to send a family of four on a

09:39:00 one-week vacation at the level we want to provide.

09:39:02 We are working hard on a 5-K, and my fellow volunteers, Al

09:39:11 Lopez park and will soon have more to talk about it on our

09:39:15 website.




09:39:15 But we would love to have all of you and your families join

09:39:18 us.

09:39:18 You can follow us on Facebook or visit our website, trek for

09:39:23 troops.com, and you will see me posting at upcoming events.

09:39:27 Any support, purchasing T-shirts, making a donation or

09:39:31 promoting our organization is greatly appreciated.

09:39:33 I'm humbled to see the impact that this has on our families

09:39:37 and want to provide it for many, many more.

09:39:40 I am honored to be here to speak with you and I want to

09:39:44 thank you especially chairman Suarez for this opportunity.

09:39:48 I would greatly appreciate your support in spreading the

09:39:50 word and providing me with any guidance to help me grow this

09:39:52 organization.

09:39:53 I am very proud to be a Tampa resident and I hope that one

09:39:55 day my organization will continue to show our strong and

09:39:58 wonderful our community is.

09:39:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much.

09:40:01 Any questions or comments from council?

09:40:04 Victoria, I think there's some bearded guy taking pictures

09:40:08 of you.

09:40:09 Who is that guy?

09:40:10 Because I didn't recognize him with the beard.

09:40:12 What is his name?

09:40:13 >> Joseph Cannella.

09:40:15 >> Joseph Cannella.




09:40:17 Joseph is in a fine profession, also an insurance agent.

09:40:21 And thank you for sharing your daughter with us and your

09:40:23 other daughter who sang at the national anthem at that

09:40:26 event.

09:40:27 Repeat that web address so that people know how to get in

09:40:31 touch with you.

09:40:32 >> Trek for troops.com.

09:40:38 >> We appreciate the fact that you are doing this.

09:40:40 You know, having an ID student myself, I have two now, the

09:40:46 amount of work that you do and that you are still doing

09:40:48 this, that's a testament to your hard work and what you do.

09:40:51 So thank you and thank your father and mother and all the

09:40:55 rest of your family for doing this and helping out the

09:40:58 troops.

09:40:59 We appreciate it.

09:41:00 Thank you very much.

09:41:02 Thank you, Victoria.

09:41:04 [ Applause ]

09:41:11 Before we go to public comment I would like to ask Rebecca

09:41:13 Heimstead and all you people with shirts that say mayor's

09:41:21 youth core, stand up and come to the podium.

09:41:24 >> Rebecca Heimstead, youth core coordinator and I am

09:41:29 pleased to bring 10 of the 33 members of the mayor's youth

09:41:33 core class of 2016 to visit with you and learning about the

09:41:37 legislative part of city government.




09:41:38 >> You mean the most important part of city government.

09:41:41 >> Of course.

09:41:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:41:43 If each of you could come up, say your name and what school

09:41:46 you are from, that would be great.

09:41:47 >> Carol craft from Bayshore Christian.

09:41:53 >> Devins, Gaither.

09:41:58 >> Frank Connolly, junior.

09:42:02 >> Amanda.

09:42:07 >> I'm from Gaither high school.

09:42:12 >> I'm from Hillsborough high school.

09:42:14 >> I'm from academy of the holy names.

09:42:19 >> I'm from Hillsborough IV high school.

09:42:22 >> I attend brookwood preparatory school.

09:42:27 >> I attend academy of the holy names.

09:42:30 >> Thank you all for being here and thank you for

09:42:33 participating and learning a little about city government.

09:42:36 Any questions that are on how city government works please

09:42:40 ask our expert, with I is Councilman Charlie Miranda.

09:42:43 Anything that's easy you can ask me.

09:42:45 But Mr. Miranda, do you have a comment?

09:42:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I don't know if I didn't hear well.

09:42:50 But was Jefferson represented?

09:42:54 >> I don't think so.

09:42:54 >> Well, the chair is now going to hear from Reddick and




09:42:59 Miranda.

09:43:00 And Capin.

09:43:00 >> There are more ALUM from Jefferson than any other high

09:43:07 school, I think.

09:43:08 Thank you all for being here and thank you for your

09:43:10 participation in the mayor's youth core.

09:43:12 We are going on to public comment.

09:43:14 That is comment on anything on the agenda.

09:43:16 Anybody that is a member of the public that is not speaking

09:43:19 on a public hearing which would be done later on today.

09:43:26 Please come forward.

09:43:26 >> Cyril Spiro, 10712 Cory lakes drive. And I'm a candidate

09:43:38 for city council.

09:43:40 I come to talk on the issue of agenda item 78 regarding TPD

09:43:46 body cameras.

09:43:50 I have a monthly column in a magazine which is a direct mail

09:43:55 distributed in district 7, and in July, about mid July, I

09:44:00 wrote the column on the subject which I will read within my

09:44:04 three minutes.

09:44:08 The column is titled Tampa Matters, and the title itself is

09:44:10 TPD should wear body cameras.

09:44:12 *Summertime usually brings thoughts of cookouts, fireworks

09:44:16 and apple pie.

09:44:17 But this summer has been different.

09:44:19 Among our celebrations we watched in horror as madness




09:44:21 overtook police officers and young black men alike.

09:44:27 The best way to protect citizens from wayward officers and

09:44:30 to protect good cops from bad people is for officers to wear

09:44:32 body cameras.

09:44:32 The cameras put their wearers on alert that they will not

09:44:32 get away with bad behavior, and they also show judges and

09:44:39 juries when a bad person forced a good cop to take

09:44:40 protective action.

09:44:43 The Pasco police force has been using body cameras very

09:44:43 successfully. A deputy sheriff there recently told me the

09:44:50 department had been accused of using excessive force to kill

09:44:52 a dog.

09:44:53 However, body camera footage shows the owner commanded the

09:44:58 dog to attack the police. Currently, 60 out of 1,000 Tampa

09:44:58 police field officers are wearing body cameras.

09:45:02 They are participating in a study conducted by USF to

09:45:05 determine if cameras are helping.

09:45:06 The same team at USF recently completed a study for the

09:45:10 Orlando police department which concluded overwhelmingly

09:45:11 that the benefits of the cameras outweigh the drawbacks.

09:45:14 The ORPD embraced the technology just like Pasco County.

09:45:19 The TPD data collection was completed in March 2016 and USF

09:45:23 is now analyzing it.

09:45:24 This morning the Tampa Tribune published that result and

09:45:27 indicated that there was a reduction in violence as a result




09:45:30 of wearing body cameras with the 60 police officers that

09:45:33 were wearing it from the TPD.

09:45:37 As I indicated in July the results indicated that once again

09:45:40 the cameras provided that benefit.

09:45:42 On July 21st Mayor Buckhorn presented the proposed 2017

09:45:46 budget to the Tampa City Council.

09:45:48 That was seven days after this column had to be submitted

09:45:51 for publication.

09:45:52 I hope that he included the approximately 1.4 million that

09:45:55 it will cost to outfit all field officers with body cameras.

09:45:59 I don't believe that it did.

09:46:02 If he did not, the City Council should look at the budget to

09:46:06 find the money, adjust the budget and make it happen.

09:46:09 A single wrongful death lawsuit could cost the city as much

09:46:13 as $200,000.

09:46:14 But what's worse is that the lack of information and

09:46:16 vigilance could cost a good man's life or good cop's career.

09:46:20 If I am elected to City Council I will vote to arm our

09:46:24 police with body cameras. In my last 10 seconds, my

09:46:27 background is in health care. I know all about data, data

09:46:29 storage, cost of data, software service, I own a software

09:46:33 company, and I would be happy to help the administration in

09:46:36 assessing the contract costs.

09:46:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

09:46:40 Next, please.




09:46:40 >> Hello.

09:46:49 Worldwide Globe Prince King. I'm here to talk about --

09:46:52 >> What is your name again, sir? I apologize.

09:46:52 >> Huh?

09:46:52 >> What is your name again, sir?

09:46:57 >> My name is sovereign citizen. Johnny Bernard Booth.

09:47:02 My transaction name is Johnny Hall.

09:47:03 >> Thank you.

09:47:08 Now, in America, I understand we don't compromise with

09:47:21 terrorists.

09:47:25 Right here, talk about, oh, we are going -- don't you worry

09:47:30 about it, Donald Trump said, oh, yes we can.

09:47:44 But yet he wants to be your president and can't keep a

09:47:47 contract.

09:47:50 He's not qualified to be your president.

09:47:53 He's qualified to go to prison however.

09:47:57 He's committing terrorism on your land, a white supremist so

09:48:00 that causes racism here in America and he's talking about

09:48:03 splitting America up.

09:48:04 We are North America, South America, Central America.

09:48:07 We got Brazil --

09:48:09 >> Mr. Hall, Mr. Hall, I hate to interrupt you but can you

09:48:12 try to keep it to things that are maybe on the agenda or

09:48:16 something that deals with Tampa?

09:48:19 >> He was just here yesterday.




09:48:23 >> I got it. Go ahead.

09:48:30 >> It says my land is not my land. Is it not the people's

09:48:39 land anymore?

09:48:40 Because the public, everything is being privatized.

09:48:43 And which means that you guys eventually stripping your

09:48:48 people of the land, we the people.

09:48:50 So trying to do a corporate takeover, that's called treason

09:48:55 over the people, and your corporate body is the government.

09:49:03 Now Hillary, you know darn well she doesn't qualify for

09:49:07 anything.

09:49:08 She's still under investigation.

09:49:11 She shouldn't be running right now, to tell you the truth.

09:49:13 We know that.

09:49:14 Everybody know that.

09:49:25 We are trying to start a peaceful venue on this planet.

09:49:28 But a war we don't even need.

09:49:37 (Bell sounds)

09:49:39 I just want to bring to your attention the GPS.

09:49:48 Just want to let you know that -- moving back from your

09:49:57 system to my system, and sign her rights away.

09:50:04 (Bell sounds).

09:50:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Appreciate it.

09:50:08 Next please.

09:50:09 >> Derek Williams.

09:50:20 And I'm here to speak on item 75 on the agenda.




09:50:24 But to keep from being redundant, I would like to hand over

09:50:26 my time if I can so I won't be redundant.

09:50:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Typically we don't give up time to people

09:50:34 but we do, you know, anyone in council wants to allow one

09:50:38 person to have a few more moments, please make a motion to

09:50:43 do so.

09:50:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I will move -- how much time do you

09:50:46 think you need?

09:50:47 Five minutes?

09:50:48 Okay.

09:50:48 I'll move five minutes.

09:50:53 That would be an additional two to the three.

09:50:55 A total of five.

09:50:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 2 extra.

09:50:58 We have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.

09:51:00 A second by Mr. Cohen.

09:51:01 All in favor of that motion?

09:51:03 Any opposed?

09:51:04 Thank you.

09:51:04 >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

09:51:06 Thank you, Ms. Montelione, and City Council members.

09:51:09 As you know, I'm here representing the Tampa organization of

09:51:12 black affairs, and Saturday morning breakfast group.

09:51:15 We have been tracking and coming down to City Council to

09:51:18 speak about items related to language how the city spends




09:51:23 money by race and gender.

09:51:25 We know that this morning there's going to be a presentation

09:51:28 made by the chair of the committee related to equal

09:51:31 opportunity for businesses.

09:51:33 And we wanted to just remind you about this document that we

09:51:36 received last time we were here.

09:51:39 It revealed some information that is pretty abysmal when it

09:51:43 comes to actual spending with African-American owned

09:51:46 companies and other minority business enterprises.

09:51:48 We also wanted to show you, remind you that we sent the

09:51:53 second sheet to the staff of the administration WMBE to get

09:51:58 information and the City Council to get information about

09:52:01 the city's annual budget, how much it spends every year out

09:52:04 of that budget for goods and services and structural related

09:52:08 expenses and how much it spends with African-American and

09:52:10 MBE to try to get a benchmark, not to dredge up the past but

09:52:16 how we can go forward in the future, for this city and this

09:52:19 council and this mayor and this administration to set the

09:52:21 standard for making sure there is equity, there is

09:52:25 diversity, and economic inclusion when spending taxpayers

09:52:30 money, when a percentage of that money being raised, or

09:52:34 revenue brought in, by this diverse population in the City

09:52:39 of Tampa.

09:52:39 We think there's only two groups that can resolve this.

09:52:42 It's not a committee.




09:52:43 It has no authority to spend money for the city.

09:52:46 But the administration which has ability to spend the money

09:52:49 which this council approves, the city is spending the

09:52:52 budget.

09:52:53 The city administration combs back to this council asking

09:52:57 for contracts to be approved.

09:52:58 We believe one way you could move and expedite a change in

09:53:03 this pattern is to not approve any contract that does not

09:53:07 have language in the contract to specifically state actual

09:53:12 spending will happen before the contractor has paid for any

09:53:18 service it provides.

09:53:20 There needs to be something about race and gender.

09:53:24 It's the right thing to do.

09:53:25 We think the administration on the other hand -- and we will

09:53:28 recommend this to the mayor -- that they implement a

09:53:31 performance management agreement with all of the direct

09:53:34 reports.

09:53:35 We have the authority to spend the money so evaluate it in a

09:53:40 heavily weighted way in this equity fairness and inclusion

09:53:44 provision.

09:53:45 We think that this council has the power to approve budget

09:53:51 and to not approve contract brought before City Council, so

09:53:54 we are going to ask this City Council to help us with a

09:53:56 couple things.

09:54:00 If someone on council on council in general give answers to




09:54:04 us on questions to page 2?

09:54:06 We have not received answers to any of these questions

09:54:08 today.

09:54:08 We respectfully request this council to give answers to

09:54:11 these questions so that we can work with council and the

09:54:13 city administration to work towards a path to change the

09:54:18 outcome of how the city spends its money, which we found to

09:54:21 be abysmal in terms of equity, fairness and economic

09:54:25 inclusion.

09:54:34 I only came today because we knew there was going to be a

09:54:37 staff report.

09:54:37 I don't think the committee can only recommend to the mayor,

09:54:47 up what it can do.

09:54:49 Your power to make decisions about what you know is right to

09:54:51 be for the people that you represent, which is all of the

09:54:54 constituents, just as the mayor, to represent all the

09:54:59 people's interest, to represent fairness, to represent

09:55:01 diversity, the value of diversity, to represent the

09:55:05 inclusion and make sure you make decisions that would then

09:55:12 have the administration change what it does.

09:55:14 If you cannot contract, they will go back and have the

09:55:19 language the way you are representing on behalf of the

09:55:22 people.

09:55:22 We think that's an easy solution to push it back so they get

09:55:25 it done right.




09:55:27 These numbers show it's not working.

09:55:42 And I'll take any questions you might have.

09:55:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to say when we do hear the

09:55:49 item, I am going to ask questions about this and find out if

09:55:52 between the last time we met and talked about the item and

09:55:55 this time we met if this form has been completed or if the

09:55:59 numbers are available.

09:56:00 So I don't know if you can stick around that long.

09:56:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you very much.

09:56:07 Next up, before we go to our next speaker, anyone else that

09:56:10 would like to speak that does not include items number 57

09:56:13 through 70, make sure you line up, get ready to speak.

09:56:16 If not, Mr. Tillou, you are next.

09:56:18 >> Okay, I'm Ed, Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs.

09:56:25 Okay.

09:56:32 I have the handout.

09:56:34 Well, anyway, I was looking for ancestors within the civil

09:56:41 war, parts of sons, veterans, came across this car Poon that

09:56:45 is interesting to me.

09:56:46 Confusion between Amish and hosterdine people, and

09:57:00 Williamsburg, where my family was from, 1840s,much further

09:57:04 than I thought they were.

09:57:06 Well, anyway, they lived there, and the guys in the civil

09:57:12 war, they were associated with this 47th recommendation

09:57:17 meant, and I am found, this is a wonderful thing people




09:57:19 should use.

09:57:20 This Google street thing.

09:57:25 And you can go anyplace like you are there.

09:57:28 This is their armory.

09:57:30 So much for that.

09:57:31 The thing I wanted to speak about for several weeks is --

09:57:35 and I lost the material, but I think it will turn up.

09:57:38 Okay.

09:57:39 It's about the pavilion.

09:57:48 And apparently the Shriners were going to sell that and use

09:57:51 it for their hospitals and now they are in a bind.

09:57:54 The deal fell through and they don't have any money for

09:57:56 that.

09:57:57 So anyway, I know the ALA cart pavilion, and what maybe

09:58:06 could be done since the pavilion is a part of this West

09:58:10 Tampa thing that the mayor is very focused on is bring it

09:58:16 down there.

09:58:16 Bring it from where it's in Dana Shores and bring it down

09:58:21 and you can use University of one of these because I think

09:58:24 the military would really like a contract to bring these in,

09:58:27 because this is something very important for Afghanistan.

09:58:31 There's a lot of minerals in Afghanistan that the United

09:58:35 States, western Europe, need, but only China -- the only

09:58:39 other source is China.

09:58:40 They are called rare earths -- they are really not rare but




09:58:45 they are rare elsewhere, and China sets the price on them

09:58:49 and that's part of the reason why solar panels have to be

09:58:52 made in China.

09:58:53 China can set the price on these things very high.

09:58:59 So anyway, these would be necessary to bring a lot of that

09:59:02 material out because at a meeting over at USF was brought up

09:59:08 that the rail line shift from the earth tremors, and the

09:59:14 railroads don't hold up.

09:59:15 So anyway, really quick.

09:59:19 I wanted to talk about the ferry a little.

09:59:23 I don't know if this is part of a public hearing because I

09:59:25 didn't get the program.

09:59:26 But this has got to be gone.

09:59:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: This is part of a public hearing.

09:59:32 >> It is?

09:59:33 Then I'll talk about ferries really quick.

09:59:36 I think the price is being set too high ten dollars.

09:59:40 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.

09:59:42 You are out of time.

09:59:43 >> I mean I want to see it work.

09:59:45 It's just if it's priced too high.

09:59:47 >>HARRY COHEN: Is there anyone else in the public that

09:59:49 wishes to talk during the general public comment period?

09:59:53 Seeing none we will move on to requests by the public for

09:59:55 reconsideration.




09:59:56 >> Yes, one.

09:59:58 >>HARRY COHEN: I'm sorry, I didn't seep you back there.

10:00:01 >> Michael farmer, East Tampa.

10:00:08 I sent each one of you an e-mail concerning the overgrowth

10:00:11 in the area.

10:00:14 This has been a problem for many years.

10:00:17 I brought this up for this council -- not you guys but the

10:00:21 City Council bra it here.

10:00:30 Came out, cleaned up everything and said they would have a

10:00:33 maintenance program.

10:00:34 They failed on that.

10:00:37 So now we are back to the same thing again.

10:00:39 I'm asking the council to maybe bring them back again, the

10:00:45 to see what's going on.

10:00:47 Now, we have the high school with all this overgrowth.

10:00:50 I mean, if there was a fire it would burn up everybody in

10:00:55 the stands because of all that overgrowth.

10:00:58 You have the pictures before you.

10:00:59 You have the pictures where the box company has caught on

10:01:04 fire.

10:01:05 They had to put a fire engine in inside Middleton to stop it

10:01:08 from burning up.

10:01:09 You just think about it.

10:01:10 Now we have been hearing about Columbine, sandy hook and all

10:01:15 these other things.




10:01:16 Just picture someone out there and all those bushes and

10:01:22 these kid and the public, all because you don't want to cut

10:01:26 weeds by schools.

10:01:29 In front of my house it's the same thing.

10:01:32 When I come home at night, and I go somewhere somehow, it's

10:01:42 pitch black dark, and my house -- you can't see anything

10:01:49 because all of this -- you can barely see the palm tree

10:01:52 there.

10:01:52 And that's a light pole you are looking at with lights.

10:01:56 Okay.

10:01:57 But the overgrowth -- all the property up there.

10:02:04 That's the retention pond.

10:02:10 That's where the property ends.

10:02:13 So when I come home, and I look at it like this.

10:02:21 And I protected you guys, family, children, mothers,

10:02:28 fathers, but I go to war and come back and I cannot approach

10:02:32 my own home without going into high security military to

10:02:38 stop somebody from jumping on me because I want to open my

10:02:41 gate and come into my own home?

10:02:43 This is ridiculous.

10:02:45 Somebody needs -- and the biggest problem is, every time you

10:02:50 think, oh, well, that's a government agency, they really

10:02:56 don't pay no attention to us.

10:02:59 Come on, people.

10:03:01 Are we going to sit because something happens to those




10:03:10 school kids?

10:03:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Two things.

10:03:13 CSX is not a governmental entity.

10:03:15 CSX is a private entity.

10:03:17 In terms of the code enforcement to make sure you get with

10:03:20 one of our staff aides, they will be glad to make those

10:03:23 calls to CSX and code enforcement and make sure it gets

10:03:26 done.

10:03:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yesterday I was walking by Councilman

10:03:31 Reddick's office and I know that you called yesterday

10:03:34 because Frederick, Mr. Reddick's aide, was making the call

10:03:40 and he got with my aide.

10:03:41 I understand what you are going through and it's very

10:03:43 frustrating.

10:03:44 And that's only one case.

10:03:46 There's hundreds of cases like yours.

10:03:50 And we may cut a lot of ribbons and look pretty in the

10:03:53 newspaper but the ground zero, you know it, all of us know

10:03:56 it.

10:03:57 And facts are the things that I look forward, Mr. Reddick

10:04:01 and all of us on this come up and the staff work diligently

10:04:05 to try to help you and the rest of us.

10:04:07 There's houses in West Tampa that have two or three

10:04:10 apartments.

10:04:11 If they was in South Tampa they would be in jail but because




10:04:16 they are in West Tampa they won't touch it and I ain't

10:04:20 afraid of them including CSX.

10:04:22 We are paying $360,000 a year in insurance.

10:04:25 We don't need it for the streetcar because CSX demanded it.

10:04:30 They are nothing but robbers.

10:04:31 Thank you.

10:04:31 >> I appreciate any help you can give.

10:04:34 >> I know you have talked to our aide.

10:04:38 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak at

10:04:41 this time other than items 57 through 70 that are set for

10:04:44 public hearing?

10:04:44 I see no one.

10:04:45 Requests for legislative reconsideration?

10:04:48 I see no one own that either.

10:04:50 Item number 47.

10:04:52 It is a scrivener's error on an ordinance.

10:04:56 Mr. Miranda, if you could read it and move it.

10:05:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I move file AB 2-16-07, ordinance

10:05:08 presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance

10:05:10 amending ordinance number 2016-06 passed and ordained by

10:05:14 City Council of city of Tampa, Florida on April 25, 2016

10:05:18 which approved a special use permit small venue consumption

10:05:21 on premises only for beer, wine and liquor for property

10:05:24 located at 410 and 412 South Howard Avenue correcting a

10:05:28 scrivener's error by substituting a revised exhibit "A" and




10:05:32 exhibit "B" for the exhibits that were supplied in error,

10:05:35 providing for severability, providing an effective date.

10:05:40 Motion by Mr. Miranda.

10:05:41 Second by Mr. Cohen.

10:05:42 All in favor?

10:05:43 Any opposed?

10:05:44 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent.

10:05:48 Second reading and adoption will be on September 15, 2016 at

10:05:54 9:30 a.m.

10:05:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Item number 5 has been moved to our public

10:06:02 hearing at 10:30 to go along with item 68.

10:06:05 Next up is our Public Safety Committee.

10:06:07 Mr. Miranda just stepped up.

10:06:08 So if our vice chair for public safety Mr. Cohen can take

10:06:13 it.

10:06:14 >>HARRY COHEN: Move 6 through 8.

10:06:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Second.

10:06:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All in favor?

10:06:19 Any opposed?

10:06:20 Thank you.

10:06:21 Next up is our Parks, Recreation, Culture Committee.

10:06:24 Our chair is Mr. Maniscalco.

10:06:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I move items 9 through 14.

10:06:28 >> Second.

10:06:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Maniscalco.




10:06:31 Second by Mr. Cohen.

10:06:32 All in favor?

10:06:33 Any opposed?

10:06:35 Thank you.

10:06:36 Public Works Committee is our chair Mr. Frank Reddick.

10:06:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move 15 through 20.

10:06:43 >> Second.

10:06:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Reddick.

10:06:45 Second from Mr. Cohen.

10:06:46 All in favor of that motion?

10:06:48 Any opposed?

10:06:50 Next up is our Finance Committee.

10:06:52 Mr. Cohan is our chair.

10:06:54 >>HARRY COHEN: I move items 21 through 27.

10:06:56 >> Second.

10:06:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mr. Cohen.

10:06:59 I have a second by Mr. Maniscalco.

10:07:01 All in favor of that motion?

10:07:04 Any opposed?

10:07:05 Next up is Building, Zoning and Preservation Committee.

10:07:08 If Mrs. Montelione loan could take that but make sure we

10:07:14 have the substitute resolution on 43.

10:07:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Shelby, I do need to read item 43?

10:07:22 Or substitute it?

10:07:25 >> Move the substitute.




10:07:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move item 28 through 42.

10:07:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

10:07:33 A second from Mr. Maniscalco.

10:07:35 All in favor of that motion?

10:07:37 Any opposed?

10:07:38 Thank you.

10:07:38 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move the substitute resolution for

10:07:41 item number 43.

10:07:42 >> Second.

10:07:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione, second by Mr.

10:07:47 Cohen.

10:07:48 All in favor?

10:07:49 Any opposed?

10:07:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move item, finally, 44 through 48.

10:07:55 >> Second.

10:07:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.

10:07:58 Second by Mr. Cohen.

10:07:59 All in favor of that motion?

10:08:02 Any opposed?

10:08:03 Thank you.

10:08:04 Next up is our transportation committee, and to do that is

10:08:08 Yvonne Yolie Capin.

10:08:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I move items 49 through 56.

10:08:15 Thank you.

10:08:15 >> Motion by Mrs. Capin.




10:08:21 Second by Mr. Cohen.

10:08:22 All in favor?

10:08:23 Any opposed?

10:08:25 Thank you.

10:08:26 Next up we have public hearings.

10:08:28 I need to open items 57 through 64.

10:08:32 >> So moved.

10:08:33 >> Second.

10:08:33 Third.

10:08:35 (Laughter).

10:08:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If you could make that items 57 through 67.

10:08:41 I apologize.

10:08:41 >> So moved.

10:08:48 >> Second.

10:08:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

10:08:53 Second by Mrs. Capin.

10:08:55 All in favor?

10:08:56 Anyone that's going to speak on 58 through 64 please stand

10:09:05 to be sworn in.

10:09:06 (Oath administered by Clerk).

10:09:13 >> Item number 57.

10:09:23 Staff?

10:09:26 Anyone here to talk about the noise ordinance from our city?

10:09:33 Not yet.

10:09:33 Anybody from staff?




10:09:34 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Mr. Territo?

10:09:37 No?

10:09:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No one? Okay.

10:09:42 >> They need to come in and line up.

10:09:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: There we go.

10:09:52 Mr. Smith.

10:09:54 You have never been shy before, sir.

10:09:56 >> MICHAEL SCHMID: A little confusion. I thought we were

10:10:00 going to do the public comments first.

10:10:03 With regards to items 57, before you is the second reading

10:10:10 for the noise ordinance.

10:10:14 Just to give council an update, we did amend the city

10:10:17 ordinance as requested from last meeting.

10:10:20 We presented it to City Council.

10:10:22 Since that time and since the last meeting, we have met with

10:10:26 SoHo business alliance.

10:10:27 We have heard some of their concerns.

10:10:30 I believe some of the SoHo business alliance members are

10:10:33 probably going to be here today to also speak at public

10:10:35 comment.

10:10:36 So part of what I say now might be sort of anticipation of

10:10:40 what I have heard and what I expect City Council to hear at

10:10:43 public comment.

10:10:48 So with that, let me give a little bit of background on the

10:10:53 noise ordinance in general.




10:10:55 The current noise ordinance started when -- give you the

10:11:04 actual date here -- in 2013, 2012 time frame, we were asked

10:11:13 to start drafting a new noise ordinance, specifically it was

10:11:19 under file E-2012-8.

10:11:22 You asked legal to appear and provide a report regarding

10:11:26 current section 14-151, excessive noise.

10:11:29 Specifically relating to noise coming from structures.

10:11:32 Further that the legal department to provide recommendations

10:11:36 on how the current noise ordinance can be strengthened to

10:11:38 protect the residents.

10:11:42 That was what we were asked to do.

10:11:46 We had come back before you initially.

10:11:48 We started drafting that, and as we told you in the past,

10:11:52 due to have some litigation, sort of continued to work on it

10:11:57 but didn't bring any of our recommendations at the time.

10:11:59 We waited until the litigation resolved.

10:12:01 When the litigation resolved we brought this back in front

10:12:04 of you, first initially as a staff report.

10:12:07 We provided you with some data, some statistics.

10:12:10 Then we asked for it to be set for first read.

10:12:13 It was set for first read.

10:12:15 We presented the ordinance at that time.

10:12:17 A couple of changes were asked to be made.

10:12:19 We made those changes.

10:12:20 We have gone out to all the neighborhood associations that




10:12:25 wanted to hear from us.

10:12:26 We have sent e-mails.

10:12:28 We have been out there publicly.

10:12:32 This has been something that's been going on as you know for

10:12:35 years.

10:12:35 The noise ordinance has continuously been a subject that has

10:12:40 come back in front of City Council.

10:12:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before you go forward, Mrs. Capin has a

10:12:46 question.

10:12:46 >>YVONNE CAPIN: When you say you met with the neighborhoods

10:12:49 that wanted to meet with you, how did that come about?

10:12:54 And tell me.

10:12:58 I know it's public record, public notice.

10:13:01 And then tell me how that happened.

10:13:03 >> Michael Schmid: Sometimes many of them contacted maybe

10:13:08 me directly.

10:13:10 Some of them already knew that the noise ordinance had been

10:13:15 something that had been ongoing.

10:13:17 And so some of them invited us out to come and speak.

10:13:21 I went to the public library for one meeting.

10:13:24 I am went to YCDC for another meeting.

10:13:29 We have been in contact by phone with numerous other people

10:13:33 who said they would just pass information along, but they

10:13:36 didn't necessarily need us to come out and meet with them.

10:13:40 So both through them contacting us and finding out through




10:13:46 looking at the agendas and maybe reading the papers, because

10:13:49 this has been in the press, about the noise, and so

10:13:53 sometimes they contacted us and asked us to come out.

10:13:56 Sometimes I would proactively send out information.

10:13:59 >>YVONNE CAPIN: In whose neighborhoods -- when I look at

10:14:03 neighborhoods I look at the whole of the neighborhood, which

10:14:06 includes businesses.

10:14:09 Did you meet with those?

10:14:10 Did they reach out to you?

10:14:15 >> Certainly.

10:14:17 We have been working with some of the businesses for years

10:14:19 throughout this entire time period.

10:14:22 I think the answer is it's mixed.

10:14:28 Some of the businesses we had, some of them never contacted

10:14:33 us and maybe they didn't contact us, but the minute they did

10:14:37 with we met with them, for example, SoHo business alliance.

10:14:41 We have been in contact with many of the individual

10:14:43 businesses certainly throughout the year through the

10:14:46 litigation process or because we have had complaints with

10:14:49 individual businesses.

10:14:50 I have worked with those businesses one on one over the past

10:14:52 years.

10:14:55 As far as the actual SoHo business lymphs itself, the minute

10:14:58 they invited us and told us they want us to come out, we

10:15:01 did.




10:15:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for that.

10:15:10 I wanted the public to know how involved your department was

10:15:13 with the neighborhoods.

10:15:14 And as I said, the whole of the neighborhood.

10:15:16 So thank you.

10:15:17 >> To be clear, this ordinance -- I think everybody is aware

10:15:25 that noise ordinances are always going to have people on

10:15:30 both sides at the end of the day.

10:15:33 Nobody may be completely happy with it.

10:15:35 And I think we have seen that throughout the history, the

10:15:38 transcripts.

10:15:39 And to be clear, we have moved in hundreds if not thousands

10:15:41 of pages of documents through SIRE, before City Council.

10:15:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Let me just interrupt you.

10:15:47 It's not that --

10:15:57 >> We have got some experience with that, yes.

10:15:59 >> At the end of the day we are here to address what City

10:16:04 Council asked us to address, and we are trying to reach out

10:16:08 to both the businesses and the residents and present an

10:16:11 ordinance to everybody that we believe was the

10:16:15 recommendations, at the end of the day that's what we can do

10:16:17 and what we sent back to you.

10:16:22 I just have a couple of minutes just to explain a few more

10:16:25 things.

10:16:25 I think it's important to understand that 1999, that's when




10:16:30 decibel levels were created.

10:16:31 Again we moved in the transcripts of all the past hearings.

10:16:36 But if you look at the transcripts from '99, decibel levels

10:16:40 were created, that was in coordination with YCDC.

10:16:45 They already had businesses out there.

10:16:47 They had open air patios.

10:16:48 They had some concerns about the fact that they already had

10:16:51 businesses, and Ybor established with businesses out there

10:16:55 that are having, you know, to work with the new decibel

10:17:01 levels that were coming in, so YCDC came before City Council

10:17:04 with expert recommendations, and City Council spent a long

10:17:08 time on three different meetings in '99.

10:17:15 There's been discussion about it.

10:17:16 And it took up to three years working on it in '99.

10:17:20 And that was with YCDC input and consideration of the whole

10:17:24 city.

10:17:24 And that's when we see our decibels in '99 get created.

10:17:28 And we see Channelside, downtown, Ybor decibel levels, and

10:17:32 then we see the rest of Tampa.

10:17:34 And that's when the rest of the got 55-decibel levels after

10:17:39 10 p.m. that I am anticipating some of the people may be

10:17:42 coming forward asking you to consider.

10:17:46 What's important to know is that those decibel levels have

10:17:49 been around since 1999.

10:17:52 In 2003 the expert came before you by the name of Mr.




10:17:58 Siebein.

10:18:05 And gave testimony about the decibel levels, they were

10:18:08 explored by City Council.

10:18:09 Again there were some minor tweaks made to how they were

10:18:12 measured, but the decibel levels remained the same.

10:18:17 In 2006, again in 2003, also, took three years leading up to

10:18:22 that discussion.

10:18:24 2006, two years was placed, noise ordinance, and again there

10:18:30 was noise levels again were kept the same in 2006.

10:18:34 Excessive noise was moved from chapter 19 to chapter 14.

10:18:39 And numerous speakers came forward before City Council.

10:18:42 City Council had the opportunity to hear everybody's input

10:18:45 back then.

10:18:48 2009, again we addressed noise after extensive working on

10:18:52 it.

10:18:53 Speakers again came forward to testify about the negative

10:18:56 effect of noise on businesses and on tourism and on people

10:19:01 staying at hotels.

10:19:02 There was extensive conversation again about noise and the

10:19:05 impact of noise.

10:19:06 2013, again we came forward with you on noise.

10:19:11 The three-year lead up on the discussion of noise again.

10:19:14 At this point, we had additional language regarding

10:19:18 excessive noise that are plainly audible standard being used

10:19:22 for motor vehicles relying own a case law.




10:19:28 And then we created plainly audible, and 100 feet on a case

10:19:35 of VA mortgage, and now here again after years of working on

10:19:41 this.

10:19:42 We believe that we have presented an ordinance that takes

10:19:45 both the businesses into consideration as well as the

10:19:50 neighbors and the neighborhoods.

10:19:52 So I'm certainly here to answer any questions.

10:19:54 I just wanted to make sure I gave a little bit of background

10:19:58 on how we got here today.

10:19:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

10:20:00 Mr. Reddick.

10:20:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

10:20:04 When you first made your presentation, and with some

10:20:10 modifications, you got a unanimous vote during the first

10:20:16 reading.

10:20:19 Something transpired between the first reading and where we

10:20:21 are at today, because you got a full house, and we didn't

10:20:27 have this the first reading.

10:20:30 I'm concerned -- I don't know if you had a conversation with

10:20:37 a lot of these neighborhood groups, I guess particularly in

10:20:40 the South Tampa area, about what transpired on your first

10:20:47 presentation and what you are about to do today, because

10:20:49 normally, in my experience, when we have a unanimous vote,

10:20:56 at first reading, we don't get much opposition.

10:21:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: There's not opposition yet.




10:21:06 I see a lot of people, though.

10:21:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: So I'm trying to determine what led up to

10:21:18 all these people coming down, I guess, to express their

10:21:21 opinion and all the e-mails that we have received?

10:21:24 And one of the things that -- I will just ask you the

10:21:28 question, maybe you can answer or TPD can answer.

10:21:32 What are some of the pros and cons about the decibel level?

10:21:40 Because it seems like I'm hearing where some people, how

10:21:47 it's stated in the proposal about decibel level, and whether

10:21:52 that is useful or not.

10:21:53 So just tell me the pros and cons.

10:21:56 I think that seems to be the hangup, from what I am reading

10:22:01 and interpreting, that that could be a problem.

10:22:04 So if you can explain that to me, maybe TPD can explain to

10:22:09 me, maybe shorten some of the talking points we are going to

10:22:14 have today.

10:22:15 >> I think when you go back to 1999 and anybody who reads

10:22:21 noise and noise situations throughout the country, one of

10:22:24 the issues with enforcement of noise is trying to come up

10:22:28 with a standard or standards and deciding whether or not you

10:22:33 want to follow what's considered an objective or a

10:22:37 subjective standard, and when you read articles on noise,

10:22:42 and hear testimony from experts say describe decibel levels,

10:22:45 it's more of an objective standard, one that can actually be

10:22:48 measured from a certain place, certain distance.




10:22:50 And so the businesses or neighborhoods or officers would be

10:22:54 able to measure the actual sound of something.

10:22:58 But as you have seen after that objective standard has been

10:23:03 sort of pushed throughout the entire country and moved

10:23:06 towards, in fact, standard of decibels, what you are now

10:23:10 seeing -- and I think there was an article several months

10:23:13 ago, St. Pete was moving away from that.

10:23:15 And I think you have seen now the trend to go back to more

10:23:20 standards like plainly audible that are sort of, I would

10:23:23 say, you know, I won't categorize it but it's a standard

10:23:27 that can have some measurement but yet doesn't have the

10:23:33 decibel level reads, and I this I the problem with the

10:23:36 decibel level reads is they are always going to be subject

10:23:39 to -- while they attempt to be more objective, there are

10:23:44 also people who have problems with them and want to maybe

10:23:47 criticize the way they are measured, how they are measured,

10:23:50 where they are measured, and you have seen historically

10:23:55 conversations about those reads and how they are taken.

10:23:59 I can't tell you why the decibel levels, people are unhappy

10:24:07 or happy with them, I can just tell you that historically

10:24:10 there's been those who are for them and there's always those

10:24:13 who are sort of against them and want more of another

10:24:16 standard.

10:24:18 So I think that's a trend we are seeing across the board.

10:24:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: Do you consider the reading to be




10:24:23 reliable?

10:24:25 >>JULIA MANDELL: If I could interject myself in the middle.

10:24:29 My name is Julia Mandell, city attorney.

10:24:32 When this ordinance was originally brought to you -- and

10:24:35 goes directly to Mr. Reddick's point, it was brought to you

10:24:38 simply to revise the way in which we have the plainly

10:24:42 audible standards review under the way the code has been

10:24:45 drafted.

10:24:46 The decibel level has been in place since 99-2000.

10:24:52 From what I understand, a lot, recent concerns relates to

10:24:57 the decibel levels and that is not something that was

10:25:00 undertaken in the code rewrite nor is it something that we

10:25:02 brought forward at this time.

10:25:05 I want to make that clear, because I think if I understand

10:25:08 the questions from council, and that's a fair question, but

10:25:13 it's my understanding that the issues that they want to

10:25:15 raise relate to the decibel levels and that is not brought

10:25:19 forward to you as part of this ordinance revision.

10:25:21 So I offer you some possible options at this point before

10:25:24 you move forward, so that way you can make some decisions at

10:25:28 the end of this. You can do one of two things.

10:25:31 You could either move forward with the ordinance as it

10:25:33 stands today, after listening to public comment, because it

10:25:36 is a public hearing, recognizing that the decibel levels are

10:25:40 not in front of you.




10:25:41 And in order for us to revise at this time it needs a

10:25:48 variance review process, or continue this, go ahead and

10:25:50 bring forward the decibel level issue at this time, which I

10:25:54 would recommend you probably want to have some workshops.

10:25:57 We may need to do some additional gathering of information

10:26:01 once you have made some decisions as to how you want to

10:26:04 proceed on the decibel level issue, and then move forward

10:26:07 and hold off on these changes.

10:26:09 That is not what I recommend because the plainly audible

10:26:12 standard issue was part of the litigation we were involved

10:26:15 in.

10:26:15 We were bringing that forward at the request of council way

10:26:18 past a year ago and that issue we feel is legally

10:26:21 supportable and sustainable given the record that's been

10:26:24 created.

10:26:25 I just wanted to make this statement to council so that

10:26:28 everybody understands where we are, and where we can go, and

10:26:33 proceed forward in that way.

10:26:34 Thank you.

10:26:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Reddick, if you are done I am going to

10:26:37 go to Mr. Cohen.

10:26:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay.

10:26:39 >>HARRY COHEN: Can I clarify, Mrs. Mandell -- because one

10:26:43 of the things about this ordinance is it's either/or.

10:26:51 It has a plainly audible standard as well as a decibel




10:26:54 reading choice.

10:26:55 Is that correct?

10:26:55 >> That's correct.

10:26:56 >>HARRY COHEN: So council has a number of different options

10:26:58 in terms of how to go forward with it.

10:27:00 And you could, like you said, leave it alone.

10:27:03 You could also actually probably take out the decibel part

10:27:07 and leave the plainly audible in.

10:27:09 Or you could have further discussions about what the

10:27:14 acceptable decibel levels are, correct?

10:27:16 We could do all those things.

10:27:18 >>JULIA MANDELL: Yes, sir.

10:27:19 And the third option you brought forward is to remove

10:27:22 decibel levels.

10:27:22 You can't do it as part of your second reading.

10:27:25 You would have to by nature of that go back to first reading

10:27:28 but that is something certainly within your --

10:27:31 >>HARRY COHEN: But if the ordinance were passed without

10:27:33 decibel levels related to that issue, then the standard

10:27:36 would be the plainly audible standard, and it would

10:27:40 basically put the onus on the police department to use their

10:27:44 judgment, correct?

10:27:46 >>JULIA MANDELL: Then the standards set forth in the

10:27:48 plainly audible portion of the ordinance would be what

10:27:50 remains left of the ordinance and there would not be a




10:27:52 decibel reading component to it.

10:27:54 But as I said in order for you to do that, that is something

10:27:57 that's not happened today.

10:27:58 It would have to go back to first reading.

10:28:00 And I would say that we want to make sure that we make folks

10:28:03 aware of that.

10:28:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I understand that.

10:28:06 I wanted to clarify because you gave us two options and I

10:28:09 think there's really three.

10:28:10 >>JULIA MANDELL: Fair enough.

10:28:12 That is a third option.

10:28:13 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.

10:28:14 >>YVONNE CAPIN: That's how I understood, Ms. Mandell, was

10:28:19 that in order to -- we could not remove from this ordinance

10:28:25 than the decibel level and pass it.

10:28:29 We have to go back.

10:28:31 I just wanted to make clear that's what I understood, and

10:28:34 that we did not change the decibel level has been what it is

10:28:38 since 1999.

10:28:40 Is that correct?

10:28:41 Did I understand that right?

10:28:43 >>JULIA MANDELL: Correct.

10:28:45 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Now, if we were to pass this today, we

10:28:50 could still, of course, come back and have workshops on the

10:28:54 decibel levels, and change that.




10:28:58 >>JULIA MANDELL: Absolutely.

10:29:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Depending on how it turns out.

10:29:02 >>JULIA MANDELL: That is correct.

10:29:03 Absolutely.

10:29:04 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Or we can continue it.

10:29:06 But if we continue it, if we continue it, can we remove the

10:29:14 decibel portion of it?

10:29:17 >>JULIA MANDELL: You can make the decision to continue this

10:29:19 item and have a further conversation about than the decibel

10:29:22 level through a workshop or however else you would like to

10:29:26 do it and either remove it or change it or do whatever it is

10:29:29 that's necessary.

10:29:30 But that's why I am saying keep in mind that was not in

10:29:33 front of you to begin with.

10:29:34 So what's really in front of you relates to the plainly

10:29:37 audible standard.

10:29:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Right.

10:29:39 If we can't remove it today, why can we remove it if we

10:29:43 continue it?

10:29:44 >>JULIA MANDELL: You can remove it if you turn it into a

10:29:46 first reading.

10:29:47 But I would like to change the title of the ordinance

10:29:50 which--

10:29:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: To first reading.

10:29:53 >>JULIA MANDELL: To actually put it back in the process.




10:29:56 So it's not something that we can just make a tweak to.

10:30:00 That's a pretty significant change.

10:30:02 We absolutely need to turn this back into a first reading

10:30:05 and I would not recommend that we do that today.

10:30:07 I would want to have a new ordinance that creates within the

10:30:10 title of the ordinance the direction that you are removing

10:30:13 that portion of the code.

10:30:14 And I would want to put it on the agenda in a separate file.

10:30:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Thank you for clarifying that for me.

10:30:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda?

10:30:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I just want to make a statement.

10:30:25 We received and passed around, I guess, a measurement, an

10:30:29 instrument that measures noise.

10:30:31 And I didn't want to look at it because first of all I'm not

10:30:35 qualified.

10:30:35 Second of all I never received anything from the City of

10:30:38 Tampa about noise inside this chamber.

10:30:40 A lot of hot air.

10:30:43 But what I want to say is that instrument is used outside

10:30:46 and the facilities wherever they may be in the city where

10:30:50 noise is created and that instrument, although valid, in

10:30:53 this chamber, it has acoustical ceiling which may not

10:30:57 project the noise, but it has a wall close by which would

10:31:01 bounce the noise.

10:31:02 And in this chamber it may be totally different than outside




10:31:05 the chamber and the area where that noise is being produced.

10:31:09 So it's just a measurement of instrument of time and noise

10:31:14 at that moment, not in the chamber.

10:31:15 >>JULIA MANDELL: I agree with you.

10:31:18 I think the other important point, and you will probably

10:31:22 hear us talk about this, is whether or not the noise

10:31:25 measurements that we have today are not met in this chamber

10:31:29 or somewhere else, not withstanding that was never an issue

10:31:32 in front of you as part of this ordinance process and that's

10:31:35 why I would say to you if that's something you want to

10:31:38 revisit, then you should revisit that, but in a separate

10:31:42 process, and whether or not you want to move forward with

10:31:44 the ordinance as it stands today or not is within your

10:31:47 decision making authority, but it was not something that was

10:31:51 ever in front of you.

10:31:52 Therefore it's not something that really we can take up at

10:31:55 this time.

10:31:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.

10:31:57 Mrs. Montelione, do you have a question?

10:31:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.

10:32:02 We have been dealing with this for a long time.

10:32:04 The first time it came up is 2013.

10:32:07 We had lots of discussion about it in 2013.

10:32:09 And put everything on hold.

10:32:13 And now we are coming back to it after the conversations.




10:32:21 So we had conversations with residents and businesses for a

10:32:25 number of years, and I don't recall the numbers associated

10:32:28 with the decibel levels ever being challenged by anyone.

10:32:34 And all of a sudden we have got a lot of people who are, I'm

10:32:39 assuming, here to speak against those decibel levels.

10:32:43 And I agree with Mr. Miranda.

10:32:46 The readings of this device in an interior setting is going

10:32:52 to be much different than if we were outside in a parking

10:32:55 lot.

10:32:56 And the measurement of someone's voice, if you have been in

10:33:00 an apartment or condo that has a bar or restaurant nearby,

10:33:06 and people are walking to their cars and talking, even a

10:33:11 normal level sounds extremely loud in the middle of the

10:33:16 night outside your window.

10:33:19 So, you know, I would want to hear from the public, because

10:33:27 I'm sure we have people hear on both sides.

10:33:34 My question to you is the standards that we have in here --

10:33:37 and maybe Mr. Schmid from his research -- they haven't

10:33:42 changed since 1999, but are these numbers, these decibel

10:33:46 levels accepted universally in other areas?

10:33:52 Or are these much lower than other areas?

10:33:55 And where do we fall?

10:33:59 >> I will go back to 1999 when they were discussed and set

10:34:06 out.

10:34:07 If you look at the transcript of the meeting then --




10:34:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm not asking you about -- I'm asking

10:34:12 you about in comparison to other cities.

10:34:14 St. Petersburg to St. Louis.

10:34:15 >> I would say ours are pretty standard.

10:34:19 And what I was trying to explain was in 1999 when the YCDC

10:34:24 expert and the testimony came out was that 55 was standard.

10:34:27 When it was set at 10 p.m. in residential neighborhoods.

10:34:30 And so that was standard.

10:34:33 And that was the justification.

10:34:35 And that's what Siebein explained in 2003 and when I looked

10:34:41 at other cities and studied their ordinances to try to

10:34:44 compile recommendations, most cities had -- were pretty

10:34:50 standard in that in levels.

10:34:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So we are not out of line with these

10:34:54 numbers?

10:34:55 >> No.

10:34:56 And I would also point out that EPC's numbers for

10:34:59 residential from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m. is 55 which is where we

10:35:04 are at in the rest of Tampa.

10:35:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And in your opinion, if we don't have a

10:35:12 measurable number, does it make it more difficult to defend

10:35:17 in court?

10:35:20 If there's no actual physical measurement?

10:35:24 Or the audible standard?

10:35:25 I mean, I would imagine if it's just someone's opinion,




10:35:30 plainly audible, would be -- it would be less defensible.

10:35:39 Let me rephrase that.

10:35:40 It would be less defensible in court.

10:35:44 Just plainly audible than if you actually had a meter

10:35:47 reading.

10:35:47 >> I think what we have done is we have tried to take out

10:35:50 where in the past concerns, long time ago, you don't want to

10:35:55 make it too subjective so that there's not some sort of

10:36:00 ability to understand.

10:36:01 I think we have worked really hard to follow case law and

10:36:05 give something that will stand up in court, the plainly

10:36:10 audible and the standards we use.

10:36:11 They do have a definitive way of looking at it, measuring

10:36:15 it, trying to determine whether or not somebody is in

10:36:18 violation without using --

10:36:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So if we took the decibel out and the

10:36:25 measurement by an instrument out, we wouldn't have any

10:36:29 problem defending in court?

10:36:33 >> In a matter what we do, we probably will have some

10:36:40 challenge.

10:36:40 But we obviously brought forth something that we think we

10:36:43 can defend in court.

10:36:44 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I guess just my lay opinion is that if

10:36:48 you have got a measurement and you have got an instrument

10:36:50 that is more concrete than just somebody's opinion.




10:36:55 But that's just me.

10:36:56 That's all I have.

10:36:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Reddick.

10:36:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Before you go to the public comment,

10:37:02 audience participation,

10:37:04 You know, I'm going to be supportive of this second reading

10:37:09 that we have before us, but after we hear from the public,

10:37:12 what I would like to do -- and I think Ms. Mandell made a

10:37:18 valid point, and that is, I am going to be willing to make a

10:37:22 motion to set up a workshop to deal with the decibel levels

10:37:26 so we can adequately address it in a timely manner versus

10:37:31 what we are doing here today.

10:37:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, I will tell you to hold off on that

10:37:35 motion until after public hearing.

10:37:38 Mr. Cohen.

10:37:38 >>HARRY COHEN: Just a reminder to everyone through Mr.

10:37:41 Reddick's motion the last time, we already are having a

10:37:44 staff report on noise on the 15th regarding the noise

10:37:47 enforcement officer.

10:37:48 We might want to integrate whatever we do into that.

10:37:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All right.

10:37:52 Mr. Miranda.

10:37:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I appreciate everyone's attention here

10:37:56 today regarding this issue.

10:37:58 But when I see something like this and I see a big crowd




10:38:00 turning out that means that something has been going on for

10:38:03 a long time on both sides.

10:38:04 And it finally comes to a head.

10:38:08 And this should have been done years ago, worked out between

10:38:10 the businesses and the neighborhood and it never was.

10:38:15 So now the seven of us will make a decision.

10:38:17 Rightly oar wrongly.

10:38:19 So 50% of you are going to leave happy.

10:38:21 The other 50% are going to be sad.

10:38:24 The only problem is if you come back 100% will be sad

10:38:27 because most of us don't like elected officials.

10:38:30 But that's a job we have got to do and that's what we are

10:38:33 here for.

10:38:34 And we are going to hear the facts and make a decision based

10:38:38 on the facts.

10:38:38 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

10:38:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Capin?

10:38:42 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I cringe when I hear the separation of

10:38:46 neighborhood and businesses.

10:38:48 The businesses are in the neighborhood.

10:38:50 The businesses employ people from the neighborhood.

10:38:53 The businesses buy from the neighborhood, whether it's a

10:38:58 drycleaners, a florist, whatever it is.

10:39:01 So whenever I hear neighborhood association, and there are

10:39:05 no businesses part of it, it's not complete.




10:39:09 It isn't complete.

10:39:10 And when I represented district 4, which is South Tampa, one

10:39:15 of my first meetings was a neighborhood meeting.

10:39:19 I invited every business from Kennedy Boulevard to Bayshore

10:39:22 Boulevard on Howard Avenue.

10:39:26 And all the neighborhoods that surrounded it.

10:39:28 But a neighborhood includes the businesses.

10:39:31 So when they say did you meet with the neighbors, did you

10:39:34 meet with the business?

10:39:35 They need to -- that needs to be a whole.

10:39:38 And it's really -- when we talk about it, it's like you are

10:39:43 pitting one side against the other.

10:39:47 And that is not you, the you in general.

10:39:54 I agree in this ordinance here, and as I clarified with Ms.

10:40:00 Mandell was that we can then separate, which was not part of

10:40:06 this ordinance, which is the decibel, and I agree with

10:40:09 Councilman Reddick and his motion I will probably second it.

10:40:14 So I just want to reiterate to everyone again, the

10:40:20 businesses are part of the neighborhood, and neighborhood

10:40:22 homes are part of the business.

10:40:24 You purchase from them, and to not include them and not

10:40:30 include each other in your neighborhood is really

10:40:35 departmental to your neighborhood.

10:40:36 Thank you.

10:40:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions or comments of staff?




10:40:40 Staff, are you done with your presentation?

10:40:42 >> Yes, sir.

10:40:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We are going to go to the public now.

10:40:45 Before I go forward, though, had I want to make a

10:40:47 suggestion.

10:40:47 There are a number of people in this chamber and there are a

10:40:50 number of people outside upwards of 25 outside.

10:40:52 There's probably another 45 or 50 that might want to speak

10:40:56 here.

10:40:57 There is a speaker waiver form that you can sign.

10:40:59 So if you are a spokesman for someone and you are here to

10:41:02 support that spokesman, I would suggest that you get a

10:41:05 speaker waiver form which is right outside of this door and

10:41:08 have it signed.

10:41:09 And I will ask Mr. Shelby to clarify the rule.

10:41:12 You get up to one minute per speaker up to 10 minutes.

10:41:16 Correct?

10:41:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Anybody who signs the form gives up their

10:41:19 right to speak for three minutes but they give the person

10:41:21 who they yield their time to, they yield a minute.

10:41:24 And seven people can do that for a total of 10 minutes per

10:41:28 spokesperson.

10:41:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: It may make it easier for you and for us.

10:41:31 I would suggest doing that.

10:41:33 If I would like to do that, we typically want people that




10:41:36 are in the chamber.

10:41:37 They will raise their hand when their name is announced so

10:41:40 that person at the podium will have that additional one

10:41:42 minute per person.

10:41:44 Just a suggestion.

10:41:46 The public can speak now.

10:41:47 Are you first, sir?

10:41:48 >>STEVE MICHELINI: Yes, sir.

10:41:51 I'm here on behalf of the SoHo business alliance, as well as

10:41:55 several other businesses who have concerns about the

10:41:58 ordinance as presented.

10:42:00 I sent a letter to you all yesterday basically outlining the

10:42:04 provisions in this ordinance that were problematic, and they

10:42:08 include items like the way and method that sound is

10:42:14 measured, making the police officers essentially your

10:42:17 enforcement unit and making them make a decision whether

10:42:21 it's based on empirical evidence or based on their opinion

10:42:24 about whether or not the source of the noise was in fact a

10:42:28 violation.

10:42:31 In 2012, you received a document as part of a special use

10:42:35 application that was done by Siebein and associates, and if

10:42:42 you look at the top line, the top line is at 80 decibels or

10:42:50 higher and that's with acoustical music.

10:42:53 That's not amplified.

10:42:54 That's fairly ordinary, patio-style music.




10:42:59 The lower line you see here is ambient noise.

10:43:03 That's general noise just on the street.

10:43:05 And you see two blips.

10:43:07 One is a bus and one is a motorcycle which far exceeds those

10:43:11 limits.

10:43:12 Your ordinance establishes sound limits which are far below

10:43:16 that, and one of the things that is of concern to the

10:43:21 businesses along SoHo in the South Howard district, and you

10:43:25 have a map in front of the podium, that shows the entire

10:43:28 commercial district.

10:43:30 It doesn't show the residential areas.

10:43:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We can't see it, Mr. Michelini.

10:43:36 I think we are all familiar with the SoHo district, sir.

10:43:39 >>STEVE MICHELINI: It only involves the commercial

10:43:43 property.

10:43:44 When SoHo was developed it was designed to integrate

10:43:47 residential as well as commercial property.

10:43:49 And them being in close proximity to each other.

10:43:54 What happened was -- and we went back with the property

10:43:57 appraiser to 2007 -- the taxes received on those properties

10:44:01 was 1.5 million 650.

10:44:05 In 2016 the proposed taxes on those same properties with the

10:44:08 redevelopment that's occurred is 2.365 million.

10:44:14 So the project has worked.

10:44:16 I mean, you have identified the SoHo overlay district as a




10:44:19 special district, and it's doing what it's supposed to do.

10:44:22 The problem is your standards haven't changed, and now other

10:44:25 people are in jeopardy, and all the businesses are in

10:44:29 jeopardy.

10:44:30 We respectfully request that you continue this item, give us

10:44:34 an opportunity to bring in our own experts.

10:44:36 Your standards for noise and how you measure them haven't

10:44:39 changed since 1999.

10:44:42 But all the development conditions have changed.

10:44:48 Other people will have a chance to speak, I'm sure of.

10:44:51 That I certainly could ask that those who are supportive of

10:44:54 the continuance raise their hand or stand up.

10:44:57 Well, you know, the visual stuff, if they are not going to

10:45:01 speak it's fine.

10:45:02 I will go either way.

10:45:03 But if you have a bunch of people here who want to not speak

10:45:06 and have them raise their hand, that's fine, too.

10:45:09 They can raise their hand either way.

10:45:11 Doesn't matter.

10:45:11 >> I understand.

10:45:15 Three minutes --

10:45:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is the T visual is fine but if they are not

10:45:19 going to speak that's fine, too.

10:45:20 >> I was just trying to save council some time.

10:45:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are you saying those folks that just raised




10:45:25 their hand are not going to speak?

10:45:27 >>STEVE MICHELINI: No, sir.

10:45:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

10:45:29 Next please.

10:45:30 Who is next?

10:45:31 Anyone?

10:45:31 >> Michael Disser, 410 South Howard, 412 South Howard, and a

10:45:38 resident.

10:45:39 I think the reason we weren't here before we didn't know

10:45:44 about the first hearing.

10:45:45 So I don't think you could be kicking the can down the

10:45:49 street because we didn't know about the first.

10:45:50 We all would have been here.

10:45:52 We all have an opinion now.

10:45:55 The city didn't come out and educate us on the first hearing

10:46:00 and the ordinance at hand but you would have had the same

10:46:02 turnout the first hearing.

10:46:03 You wouldn't have voted 7-0.

10:46:06 Either continue, or, you know, address.

10:46:11 We didn't know about it.

10:46:13 There was no public notice.

10:46:15 There was no e-mail beforehand that I know of or we would

10:46:19 have been here.

10:46:20 Thank you.

10:46:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.




10:46:22 Next, please.

10:46:22 >> Good afternoon.

10:46:24 My name is Jeff Gigante, one of the executives of the SoHo

10:46:29 business alliance.

10:46:29 I want to echo Mr. Disser's comment.

10:46:36 We didn't understand or know about the first hearing.

10:46:38 Otherwise, I can assure you, you know, the 35 businesses

10:46:41 that make up the SoHo business alliance would have been here

10:46:44 in force to at least try to understand what was being done.

10:46:49 We have a restaurant group on Howard Avenue.

10:46:51 We represent five businesses with two more currently under

10:46:55 construction.

10:46:56 We feed a little over 100,000 people a month there.

10:47:03 We have a good feeling for what the neighborhood once was in

10:47:05 1995 before we came in and what it's grown to.

10:47:09 Doing a lot of reading on noise ordinances and their

10:47:13 challenges around the state and around the country,

10:47:18 In Virginia, in Miami, a lot of these decibel issues have

10:47:23 come under fire.

10:47:25 I agree, we shouldn't focus on the decibels, because we have

10:47:28 got a great relationship with Tampa Police Department.

10:47:31 And when they come down for noise complaints.

10:47:34 And the city attorney came down to SoHo business alliance

10:47:38 last week and educated us and we understand, we got a lot of

10:47:41 statistics like last year there were 6,000.




10:47:44 And apparently that's like the number, 6,000 noise

10:47:47 complaints in the City of Tampa.

10:47:48 So with 13 citations issued last year, this year in the

10:47:52 first quarter there was 2,000 complaints and there were two

10:47:55 citations, because the ordinance and the way it is is

10:47:58 extremely hard to defend, as the comments were made earlier.

10:48:03 We want to show you -- and we have some videos taken with

10:48:08 professional noise sound meters that I'm sure some people

10:48:10 are going to want to show you, that it's just not fair and

10:48:13 equitable to try to judge a business based on 55 DBs after

10:48:18 10 p.m.

10:48:18 I mean, I was running our professional $8,000 sound meter

10:48:22 that we rented made by the same company that the City of

10:48:24 Tampa uses for the TPD, and we were all out of compliance

10:48:29 within this room.

10:48:30 I understand there's acoustics, but you will see in the

10:48:34 videos that we e-mailed you and sent, standing on a street

10:48:38 in the afternoon with normal traffic, you are in the 70s.

10:48:42 So as well as the business district that you have with the

10:48:49 central business district and Channelside and Ybor City.

10:48:51 Their noise ordinance is 75 during the day and it goes up 10

10:48:55 DBs at night.

10:48:56 Ours is 65 during the day and it goes down 55 DB.

10:49:00 I just don't think it's fair and I think it needs to be

10:49:03 continuously and workshopped, and we are happy to show up




10:49:07 and really be a part of the process.

10:49:09 But we do believe in a noise ordinance and we want to be

10:49:12 good neighbors but this gives us no means to achieve that.

10:49:15 Thank you.

10:49:15 >> I'm David pullman, Ciccio's restaurant group, a partner

10:49:25 of Jeff's as well.

10:49:26 I would like to continue with what Mike and Jeff said, for

10:49:28 the first hearing that you guys had, we didn't know about

10:49:33 it.

10:49:33 We would have been here probably more than what's here now.

10:49:37 A lot of what you guys brought up, I don't think 50-50 would

10:49:40 leave happy, unhappy.

10:49:41 There would be a lot more unhappy people and businesses

10:49:44 leaving than residents that have issues.

10:49:47 So your point, you are right.

10:49:49 We are a community, businesses and residents need to work

10:49:52 together.

10:49:53 If businesses are up against what we are up against, we are

10:49:56 not going to be there anymore.

10:49:58 They are not going to have a community to live in and go out

10:50:00 and eat and so on and so forth.

10:50:02 So I don't think any of us are here to say that we don't

10:50:06 want a noise ordinance.

10:50:07 We are just asking for a fair one.

10:50:09 To another point that she asked if we were on par with other




10:50:12 areas.

10:50:13 If you look at Ybor, Channelside, stuff like that, they are

10:50:16 at 85.

10:50:17 If they go up after 10:00 o'clock, 55 is just unreasonable.

10:50:22 You know, a staff member at one of the local businesses did

10:50:24 make a video where he walked through a vacant aisle at

10:50:28 Walgreen's and it was 70 decibels.

10:50:31 And just out in the middle of the street at noon with one

10:50:34 car driving by at 70.

10:50:35 So 55 is just unreasonable.

10:50:37 We are just asking that, you know, everyone live in harmony

10:50:41 that we respect the neighbors and they respect us.

10:50:46 So that's pretty much where we are coming from.

10:50:50 And I think if you guys will at least consider what we are

10:50:54 proposing to you guys.

10:50:55 I also, you know, to her point she was saying that, you

10:51:00 know, there needs to be some sort of standard that everyone

10:51:06 tells and we just can't have someone come out and say I am

10:51:10 issuing a ticket.

10:51:11 Then as you said when you get to court -- there needs to be

10:51:15 some sort of measurement.

10:51:16 Again we are just asking for a fair one.

10:51:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

10:51:19 Before the next speaker goes up if there's anyone that wants

10:51:21 to speak, could you stand up on the right-hand side so I can




10:51:25 get a measure of how many people we are going to have?

10:51:27 Because noise meters aren't the only thing we try to measure

10:51:31 around here.

10:51:32 I know I asked the people on the left-hand side, my

10:51:35 left-hand side, whether they are going to speak.

10:51:37 If you are going to be on that side it's fine but I want to

10:51:39 know how many speakers we have going forward.

10:51:42 Cape?

10:51:42 If you don't mind, that would be very helpful.

10:51:45 Sir.

10:51:45 >> PJ Yonnatti, I implore the council to pass the

10:51:52 legislation with the caveat to circle back on the decibel

10:51:56 meters.

10:51:57 We all talk about decibel meters. I have one on my phone.

10:52:00 But when I can hear a song through my living room at

10:52:04 midnight, no decibel meter.

10:52:07 So I do believe no one is trying to hurt these bars and

10:52:12 restaurants.

10:52:12 We want them to be successful.

10:52:15 There's only a few bad actors here.

10:52:17 Most of the bars and restaurants in this district, they all

10:52:19 comply.

10:52:20 But those who have outside amplified disco music, those are

10:52:24 the ones we have concern with.

10:52:27 As a resident here, I see a lot in the morning.




10:52:33 Things you just sign off on.

10:52:35 You see cleaning up the parking lot and the birds pick up

10:52:40 pizza.

10:52:41 We get that.

10:52:42 We accept all this.

10:52:43 But when you can hear lyrics at 2:00 in the morning that is

10:52:47 clearly a noise violation.

10:52:48 And the point of contention here is we'll seethe sit here

10:52:51 with decibel meters.

10:52:53 I was in fronts of one last night, a bar, and I was just

10:52:56 using the one on my phone pulling 82, 85.

10:53:01 And that's on a quiet night.

10:53:03 So I believe passing legislation with the understanding that

10:53:05 you circle back and work to a reasonable number.

10:53:08 Could be 70.

10:53:09 Could be 80.

10:53:10 It could be something consistent with the marketplace but it

10:53:13 should not be 110, 120 with words coming through your living

10:53:16 room.

10:53:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Next, please.

10:53:21 >> My name is Rubin Atuce, a resident of Hyde Park as well

10:53:28 as the owner of the Drynk in SoHo.

10:53:33 When the latest version of that noise ordinance passed I

10:53:37 think two years ago, our establishment was one of the

10:53:40 biggest violators of that noise ordinance.




10:53:42 Obviously we want to be good neighbors, want to be good

10:53:44 corporate citizens, so we met with the neighbors, met with

10:53:48 the chief of police on multiple occasions, and took a lot of

10:53:54 trial and error on our part but we were able to find a

10:53:57 material that required a sizable investment on our part.

10:54:01 We installed the material and since then we haven't had one

10:54:06 single noise complaint.

10:54:08 So obviously there are solutions out there.

10:54:11 Just doing my own research, I looked at what they were doing

10:54:14 in St. Pete. In st. Pete the business owners got together

10:54:16 with the residents.

10:54:17 They came up with a compromise, and then they were able to

10:54:20 pass a noise ordinance that satisfied really all parties.

10:54:24 And so far so good.

10:54:27 It's been working well.

10:54:28 I have to agree with some of the earlier speakers that, you

10:54:31 know, if we had known about the first reading that there

10:54:33 would be more people here.

10:54:35 We had literally a week, less than that, to obviously go

10:54:38 ahead and mobilize.

10:54:39 And the business association really isn't around as long as

10:54:45 for instance the Ybor City association.

10:54:48 So I respectfully request that the council at least move

10:54:51 this to a workshop down the road so we can all work together

10:54:54 and find a solution.




10:54:55 Obviously there has to be some sort of noise ordinance in

10:54:58 place.

10:54:59 But I'm sure we can find something that is beneficial to the

10:55:04 businesses and residents.

10:55:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I am just going to say this very quickly.

10:55:08 When you say you did not know about the first reading, it is

10:55:13 a law, it is public notice.

10:55:15 Whoever is representing you should have let you know.

10:55:20 Whoever you are paying should have let you know that there

10:55:23 is a first reading.

10:55:30 It is a public notice.

10:55:31 It is by law.

10:55:32 And you can find out from the clerk's office.

10:55:34 Thank you.

10:55:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Next up, please.

10:55:36 >> Thank you.

10:55:40 I represent specialty restaurant group at whiskey Joe's at

10:55:44 Rocky Point.

10:55:45 I just want to make clear to the council that it affects not

10:55:48 only the people that live here in Tampa but the reputation

10:55:50 of Tampa itself.

10:55:52 Let me give you a case in point.

10:55:54 We do a yearly event that benefits Shriners children's

10:55:58 hospital.

10:55:59 Over the last five years, we have donated over $150,000.




10:56:04 We book 500 hotel rooms on Rocky Point from people that come

10:56:08 on this last event came from 47 different states.

10:56:11 The reason why I bring that up is because it's important to

10:56:14 know that these people are coming from outside of Tampa into

10:56:17 our city.

10:56:17 We also have Super Bowls here.

10:56:20 We have the national football championship that's coming.

10:56:22 People that come from out of town, if we allow this decibel

10:56:27 reading to stay at 55, it will basically not only shut down

10:56:30 the businesses in SoHo but on Rocky Point also.

10:56:33 I could tell you right now that we employ over 170

10:56:38 employees, nine salaried managers, we also have another

10:56:42 restaurant here in Tampa, rusty pelican.

10:56:45 So I think when the council takes a look at this, there's a

10:56:48 lot more at stake here than what you think.

10:56:50 There's a lot of jobs, and creation and taxes to the city

10:56:54 that goes behind that.

10:56:55 So I would ask the council to take the recommendation from

10:56:57 the SoHo group, who has done a fantastic job, by the way, of

10:57:03 bringing to the council to make sure that we are very

10:57:05 diligent when we set this decibel limit at 55.

10:57:08 That's just unacceptable and unattainable and I don't think

10:57:10 any city in the United States would let that 55-decibel

10:57:14 reading stay at that and be able for their city to thrive.

10:57:18 Thank you very much.




10:57:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

10:57:20 Next, please.

10:57:21 [ Applause ]

10:57:21 >> Excuse me.

10:57:26 Please do not applaud, because we are going to be going

10:57:28 through a lot of people, and it makes it a lot easier for

10:57:31 all of us.

10:57:32 Let's get through this thing.

10:57:34 Let's figure out what we are going to do next.

10:57:36 You are up.

10:57:37 >> My name is Joseph CHINO.

10:57:41 I'm a business owner in Hyde Park, live in Hyde Park, also a

10:57:44 landlord in Hyde Park.

10:57:45 What brought me here today was as a landlord I feel it's

10:57:49 incumbent upon me to protect my tenant when there's

10:57:53 something happening thank may not be fair.

10:57:55 I understand the noise ordinance and the decibel levels that

10:57:58 go along with it are a difficult issue.

10:58:00 It's been something that's been around for a long time and

10:58:03 it's something that's going to take some time to work

10:58:05 through.

10:58:05 My concern is that than the current rules are antiquated.

10:58:12 Living in Hyde Park I have seen how it's grown.

10:58:14 I love living in Hyde Park.

10:58:16 I lived there with my wife and two young children and we




10:58:18 enjoy everything with Howard Avenue, as Howard has grown,

10:58:23 et cetera.

10:58:23 I think it's incumbent upon this council to take this issue,

10:58:27 to spend the time to go and look at these decibel levels to

10:58:30 see what they mean on a practical level, to make sure that

10:58:34 whatever is decided is equitable and fair.

10:58:37 And I think to do that is going to take the time to go

10:58:41 really see what these decibel levels mean, meet with the

10:58:44 neighbors, of which I am one, meet with the business owners,

10:58:47 of which I am one, and let's come to a practical resolution.

10:58:50 I believe that this council is well equipped and fully

10:58:55 capable of doing that.

10:58:56 I think for your time.

10:58:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

10:58:58 Next, please.

10:59:00 >> My name is Jane McKee.

10:59:03 I own Jane's World Entertainment.

10:59:06 I have been an entertainment agency owner for 20 years in

10:59:09 Tampa.

10:59:09 And I agree with all the gentlemen who have spoken here,

10:59:12 particularly the gentleman from Whiskey Joe's.

10:59:15 One of the things I wanted to mention, in these 20 years, I

10:59:19 have had 16 of my years with the Buccaneers, equally as long

10:59:24 with the lightning and so on.

10:59:25 And it seems to me -- and I'm a South Tampa homeowner.




10:59:29 I pay taxes.

10:59:30 These people pay taxes.

10:59:31 My performers pay taxes.

10:59:33 We all pay taxes.

10:59:35 Right?

10:59:35 And we know we keep this whole thing rolling and we know

10:59:40 from the president all the way down, doing anything that's

10:59:42 going to undermine the middle class is going to undermine

10:59:45 small business owners to corporate owners.

10:59:48 It doesn't matter.

10:59:49 It's not good for our economy.

10:59:50 It's not good for anybody.

10:59:51 We have enough other problems to solve.

10:59:53 But what I am concerned about here is looks at some of the

10:59:56 clients that I have from Jackson's to Irish 31 to the Bucs,

11:00:01 are we singling outs the smaller businesses in that SoHo

11:00:06 district and in the areas where there are primarily a great

11:00:08 deal of residents mixed in with those businesses?

11:00:12 Or am I going to have to deal with this at Raymond James

11:00:15 stadium where I do the music on every game day outside all

11:00:19 around the stadium?

11:00:20 Is this going to be something that is equitable?

11:00:23 Certainly the DB level of 55 is unrealistic.

11:00:26 I have lived in San Diego.

11:00:28 I have lived in other cities.




11:00:29 I know it's totally unrealistic.

11:00:31 But my 30 years here, this has been our point in time, Tampa

11:00:36 has become a cultural mecca for music and it wasn't before.

11:00:40 And these people know that.

11:00:41 We have the Gasparilla music festival.

11:00:44 We have Gasparilla itself.

11:00:45 We have the run.

11:00:45 We have all these events.

11:00:47 At the convention center which do things, it brings people

11:00:51 into town.

11:00:51 Our hockey championship team, okay.

11:00:53 All of those things create -- it's a brand.

11:00:58 We are no longer the little guys in the State of Florida

11:01:01 that nobody goes to.

11:01:02 We are important.

11:01:03 And those tourism dollars are important, just as important

11:01:06 as the way our residents feel, and all these business owners

11:01:10 who are working their BUTTS off to be employ people and keep

11:01:14 this economy rolling.

11:01:15 I hope you take that very seriously.

11:01:17 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:01:21 Next, please.

11:01:21 >> Kimberly Davis.

11:01:25 I really like what she said.

11:01:27 I want to see a city young people as far as where I work at,




11:01:33 beach bar and restaurant.

11:01:34 We have huge concerts on Sundays.

11:01:37 And people spend their money there.

11:01:40 It also supports myself and my co-workers and my friends.

11:01:44 And everyone I'm representing now.

11:01:49 So many businesses will shut down and that affects us so

11:01:52 negatively.

11:01:53 We are the middle class.

11:01:54 And when we get shut down, our places where we are working

11:01:59 at get shut down, we are unable to pay our bills which means

11:02:02 we can't spend our money in the City of Tampa which means

11:02:05 everything affects us negatively.

11:02:08 Thank you.

11:02:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:02:10 Next, please.

11:02:10 >> Hi. My name is Regina.

11:02:16 I'm here to talk about --

11:02:16 >> Last name?

11:02:18 >> Oh, yeah.

11:02:18 >> What's your name?

11:02:21 >> oh, Marialis.

11:02:25 I'm here today to talk about what makes our -- I moved here

11:02:30 two years ago.

11:02:34 The night life, the sports, the weather and people that make

11:02:36 the city such an attractive location.




11:02:38 I picked up everything I had, set out on my own to make a

11:02:41 new home.

11:02:43 The same can be said for thousands of young adults who moved

11:02:47 here from all over the country to attend University of South

11:02:48 Tampa.

11:02:50 The local professional athlete that choose to play here in

11:02:53 Tampa because of the outside life of the arena that provides

11:02:57 entertainment.

11:02:58 For the young business professionals to choose Tampa over a

11:03:01 concrete Jungle, of the bigger city that we are.

11:03:07 We have everything here -- I'm sorry, I'm nervous. We have

11:03:11 everything here that they have but more, and local economy.

11:03:17 The man on channel 13 had a statement that said we all have

11:03:21 to work sometimes and that's either daytime or nighttime,

11:03:26 and we in SoHo provide a nighttime life.

11:03:29 For the single mom who works at night to provide food for

11:03:33 her family, the college teen who works at night, so they

11:03:36 want to be -- wouldn't be in debt after graduation, or the

11:03:40 elementary schoolteacher who does security that night

11:03:42 because a starting teacher's salary isn't enough to start a

11:03:46 family.

11:03:47 SoHo is a wonderful place to work and live and have fun, and

11:03:54 it would only hurt everyone who works there.

11:03:56 And we as workers also help the community.

11:04:01 At the Gasparilla, St. Patrick's Day, after Cinco de Mayo,




11:04:08 we all clean up the community, and -- it passing this would

11:04:14 only hurt us.

11:04:15 Thank you.

11:04:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:04:18 Next please.

11:04:19 >> My name is Randy Esponda, and I am here to request that

11:04:24 council continue this ordinance that's unreasonable to areas

11:04:27 like the SoHo district.

11:04:28 The new ordinance proposes that businesses operate at a

11:04:32 decibel level below normal talking levels and is not

11:04:36 sustainable day or night.

11:04:37 SoHo is viewed as one of the to destinations to eat and

11:04:40 greet in the greater Tampa Bay area and with the amount that

11:04:44 takes place through SoHo it is R, the ordinance doesn't take

11:04:50 into account the ambience noise, especially daily traffic

11:04:53 that occurs through the area.

11:04:55 The noise created just from a crowd alone that visits SoHo

11:05:00 is enough to violate both the current ordinance and the

11:05:03 proposed ordinance.

11:05:04 After taking a closer look at the noise generated from the

11:05:06 area, the businesses and SoHo, they are looking to find a

11:05:14 happy medium that is fair for everyone involved.

11:05:16 Unfortunately, the current ordinance is outdated and I hope

11:05:20 that the council will rethink this change to the one size

11:05:23 ordinance, and possibly consider SoHo as an entertainment




11:05:31 district.

11:05:32 Thank you.

11:05:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:05:33 Next, please.

11:05:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: Philip?

11:05:50 Are you Philip?

11:05:51 Okay.

11:05:52 Who is Julia McGee?

11:05:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: She's going to be speaking.

11:05:58 Is that correct, Mrs. McGee?

11:06:00 >> Yes.

11:06:00 >> One extra minute.

11:06:03 >> My name is Julia McGee, a 20-year real estate

11:06:07 professional broker and 14-year resident of Oscawana SoHo.

11:06:11 I am a renter.

11:06:12 However, I am a resident, and I am also very concerned about

11:06:15 the neighborhood and what happens there, the quality of

11:06:17 life, et cetera.

11:06:20 I'm here in support of the noise ordinance passing.

11:06:22 I want to thank Mike Schmid, city staff and council for all

11:06:27 they have done on this.

11:06:28 I want to share some graphics with you.

11:06:30 That you can look at as I speak.

11:06:36 How do I raise this?

11:06:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: There's a little dial, Mrs. McGee, towards




11:06:41 the front.

11:06:42 Your front.

11:06:42 >> there you go.

11:06:48 Move it out the other way.

11:06:49 Thank you, ma'am.

11:06:53 That's okay, we get the gist.

11:06:55 >> Anyway, this is an example of SoHo the last six or seven

11:07:04 years that have been replaced by bars.

11:07:06 And there's reasons we have gotten to this point, as Mr.

11:07:09 Reddick said, this has been bailing for a long time and

11:07:12 there's a reason for it.

11:07:15 All these bars now that used to be the laundromat, book

11:07:19 store, deli, seamstress, shoe cobbler and actual restaurant,

11:07:26 and sangria's restaurant.

11:07:29 But those have all been replaced.

11:07:31 The noise.

11:07:32 The noise situation has to do with precisely these very same

11:07:37 businesses.

11:07:39 And this shows you what I think the complaints are coming

11:07:42 from.

11:07:42 And also pointing out that this side is residential.

11:07:46 All residential, where all those businesses have been lost

11:07:49 and replaced with bars.

11:07:52 And if you look at it, the drink, they have done a better

11:07:59 job of.




11:08:00 The World of Beer.

11:08:04 I understand they are doing a better job.

11:08:06 And the Yard of Ale.

11:08:11 The SoHo, I don't get involved in that area much.

11:08:17 This is the one I have the biggest problem with.

11:08:20 DJs, I can hear them inside my condo.

11:08:24 I can hear the DJ's voices.

11:08:27 It sounds like a carnival is in our front yard.

11:08:29 They have outdoor bands.

11:08:30 They have outdoor speakers.

11:08:32 Outdoor TVs.

11:08:34 Over here, I guess there's some outdoor problems with them

11:08:38 and their music and then you have MacDinton's.

11:08:41 Lastly, the ordinance has been blatantly ignored by many of

11:08:47 these businesses.

11:08:49 The code enforcement ordinance requires the residents come

11:08:53 in direct contact with these establishments, and it's very

11:08:56 difficult in order to get enforcement to happen.

11:08:59 We want the police officers, TPD and whoever to have more

11:09:02 power to enforce these things without putting us in direct

11:09:05 conflict.

11:09:06 So it's not fun.

11:09:11 Lastly, we wouldn't have this problem if zoning were adhered

11:09:17 to.

11:09:20 This is from public records.




11:09:25 Exactly what I am showing you here.

11:09:27 SoHo tavern, which is CRG, it's a restaurant.

11:09:34 (Bell sounds)

11:09:38 I get one more minute, right?

11:09:41 I understand this is like a bar.

11:09:45 Drink and MacDinton's are the only two that are actually

11:09:49 compliant with their zoning and use as a nightclub.

11:09:52 World of Beer, zoning, restaurant.

11:09:56 Yard of ale, mixed use, retail.

11:09:58 SoHo.

11:10:02 Lodge.

11:10:02 Restaurant.

11:10:02 (Bell sounds)

11:10:05 Et cetera.

11:10:05 So these are not --

11:10:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's your four minutes.

11:10:10 >> They are not compliant and that's where the problems are.

11:10:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:10:14 We appreciate you coming in.

11:10:15 >> Thank you.

11:10:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Please.

11:10:23 Members of the audience, please let us continue with the

11:10:25 meeting.

11:10:26 Your name?

11:10:26 >> My name is Adam Smith.




11:10:28 I live in SoHo.

11:10:29 Actually lived there for a while.

11:10:31 Probably four years ago I came with noise complaints as

11:10:34 well.

11:10:35 And my issue is World of Beer and they have been excellent

11:10:41 owners.

11:10:42 And as you can see from this, and I know you all received as

11:10:45 well, they are actually supporting this noise ordinance as a

11:10:48 business on South Howard which goes to show when businesses

11:10:51 are willing to work with the community, the community is

11:10:53 willing to work with them, we all come to be peaceful

11:10:56 agreement.

11:10:56 I will say that SoHo business alliance standing here saying

11:11:00 oh, R oh, we definite know about this.

11:11:04 O'Connor was actually at the neighborhood meeting at the

11:11:06 library when this was discussed before first reading so he

11:11:09 did know about this.

11:11:10 Back in January, they have been on the mailing list for the

11:11:15 SoHo business alliance, and been a at all meetings.

11:11:20 You were there.

11:11:22 Since then, I have never received a single invite to any of

11:11:25 the meetings, which goes to show me that they are willing to

11:11:28 work with the residents now, and the final reading, because

11:11:34 now they realize.

11:11:38 Just remember we have been discussing this with you for




11:11:40 three years.

11:11:42 They have shown up today.

11:11:44 Thank you.

11:11:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

11:11:46 Next, please.

11:11:47 >> My name is Clay Daniel.

11:11:52 And the city has had a problem with loud music for 20 years.

11:11:57 And we need to solve this problem today.

11:12:00 Things travel.

11:12:01 When cars going down the road, it's different noise than a

11:12:05 boom box.

11:12:06 Boom, boom, boom, boom.

11:12:07 That bass travels.

11:12:09 And we need to take care of this problem.

11:12:11 And I am not here to criticize no one, but these people that

11:12:16 pose this, they are going to get old, they are going to get

11:12:18 a taste of this, too.

11:12:21 See what it's like.

11:12:22 People don't want to hear this noise.

11:12:23 And like Mr. Miranda said, we should have got to this

11:12:27 problem a long time ago, you know.

11:12:29 This noise is a problem.

11:12:30 It's out of control.

11:12:32 And I am not trying to hurt nobody's profits.

11:12:34 But to make money to satisfy people, you don't have to play




11:12:38 your music loud.

11:12:41 In order to be heard it don't have to be loud.

11:12:43 Just keep it where they can hear it.

11:12:46 Noise people don't want to hear.

11:12:48 Don't make it for people don't want to hear it and I think

11:12:51 people have that right, you know?

11:12:53 And I think City Council needs to do something about this

11:12:56 today.

11:12:56 We keep delaying it.

11:12:58 We keep delaying it.

11:12:59 And the city attorney came up with a good proposal.

11:13:02 We need to stick with that.

11:13:04 And we need to take care of this problem today.

11:13:06 It's out of control.

11:13:09 And you can't let profits and politics get in the way.

11:13:13 It's a society problem.

11:13:14 It's a quality of life issue.

11:13:16 We need to take care.

11:13:17 And people need to have respect for others.

11:13:20 People are want to sleep at night.

11:13:22 They don't want to hear this noise.

11:13:23 Thank you.

11:13:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

11:13:26 Next, please.

11:13:27 >> Hello.




11:13:29 My name is Andrew Meekins.

11:13:33 I'm actually a resident in South Tampa, SoHo.

11:13:37 I think they need to revisit the ordinance.

11:13:41 55 is the level is definitely too low.

11:13:45 Obviously that was passed in 1999.

11:13:47 The problem is some of these areas have changed.

11:13:50 I'm a real estate professional, and I have been in 2004, so

11:13:55 some of the people that come here, that specifically come to

11:13:58 these areas, because they want a mixed use area.

11:14:01 They want to be able to go out.

11:14:03 They want to be with their families, and do these type of

11:14:06 things.

11:14:09 Maybe it should be revisited, and just see if we can kind of

11:14:12 come together.

11:14:13 I believe what you said before, Tampa businesses and the

11:14:17 residents are not talking to each other.

11:14:19 And it's going to have a chilling effect all over Tampa.

11:14:22 It won't just be SoHo.

11:14:25 It's going to be Channelside.

11:14:26 It's going to be Ybor.

11:14:27 And anywhere else they decide to fill the mixed use

11:14:31 community and neighborhood.

11:14:32 You are not going to be able to go out and listen to live

11:14:35 music.

11:14:36 It's one of the reasons people come to Florida.




11:14:38 I'm originally from Texas.

11:14:39 That's one of the reasons I came to Florida.

11:14:41 It's an outside state.

11:14:43 You want to be able to enjoy that.

11:14:45 And the people that currently moving to these neighborhoods,

11:14:47 they accept that.

11:14:48 So you are going to have a lot of mismatch, a lot of people

11:14:51 that lived here before, and they are not happy with the way

11:14:55 their neighborhood has changed.

11:14:57 However, change happens whether you like it or not.

11:15:00 So we need to revisit that ordinance.

11:15:03 55 is just way too low.

11:15:05 And there's no reason for it to be 65 in the day and then 55

11:15:09 at night.

11:15:10 Because the same people that are complaining are the same

11:15:12 people that come to these events.

11:15:14 They do.

11:15:15 And some of these business owners and some of these board

11:15:18 members, obviously they clash because they have got a

11:15:21 different view of what they think should happen, and I don't

11:15:23 think there's a problem with zoning.

11:15:25 I think you guys are being very accommodating as far as --

11:15:34 because some of these areas are going to change.

11:15:36 Some of these restaurants, they do serve alcohol.

11:15:38 Some of them do have live music.




11:15:39 It brings in a different crowd.

11:15:41 And some of those people weren't here ten years ago.

11:15:44 That's all I have to say.

11:15:45 I think we need to agree.

11:15:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You said you lived in SoHo.

11:15:50 Where do you live?

11:15:51 >> I live in South Tampa actually close to Fremont and

11:15:54 Horatio, about four streets away from MacDinton's.

11:15:57 I do hear some of the noise.

11:15:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I just wanted to know what direction you

11:16:01 live in SoHo.

11:16:02 Thank you, sir.

11:16:04 Mr. Cohen, did you have a comment?

11:16:05 >>HARRY COHEN: I just want to make a statement about

11:16:07 something for clarification purposes may help everyone in

11:16:12 terms of understanding the context of part of the problem.

11:16:17 Ybor City and Channelside and downtown are subject to

11:16:21 different rules than the rest of the city, because they are

11:16:25 entertainment districts.

11:16:27 That's why the decibel levels are higher.

11:16:28 What makes the SoHo issue so complicated is that there are

11:16:32 residential neighborhoods right on tone of the commercial

11:16:34 district.

11:16:35 And the proximity is very, very close.

11:16:38 And, you know, we had the benefit up here of being exposed




11:16:43 to all of this over the past couple years, but many in the

11:16:47 audience may not understand that the standards are not the

11:16:51 same throughout the city because certain areas are

11:16:53 designated as entertainment districts, and SoHo is not one

11:16:58 of them.

11:16:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:17:00 Next, please.

11:17:00 >> My name is David Valentine.

11:17:04 I am a resident of Tampa.

11:17:05 And just moving back actually.

11:17:08 I'm kind of looking from the outside in, and I am also a

11:17:11 manager in the SoHo restaurant bar district.

11:17:14 I am a resident of Tampa.

11:17:15 And I am in favor of a fair and equity issue to the

11:17:21 neighborhood that challenged the residents for many years

11:17:24 now.

11:17:25 I first frequented this area over 20, 25 years ago, and the

11:17:28 area has changed quite a bit.

11:17:29 Everyone knows that.

11:17:33 It is mainly due to the success of the neighborhoods

11:17:36 themselves including the businesses.

11:17:37 This is a problem of -- no way it's a good problem to have

11:17:40 in my opinion because everything has grown.

11:17:43 As other speakers have mentioned, so how is now the number

11:17:46 one entertainment district in Tampa.




11:17:50 It far exceeds the Channelside district, it exceeds the Ybor

11:17:55 district, depending on the avenue in the evening, and it

11:17:58 also exceeds the other locations within Tampa Bay that are

11:18:02 entertainment deemed or not.

11:18:04 My concern is, we have progress, including the construction

11:18:14 of highways, construction of stadiums, the construction of

11:18:17 schools.

11:18:18 Everything that deems noise is not given a fair shake when

11:18:25 it comes to what each resident has to deal with.

11:18:28 And I understand the concerns of the city and the concerns

11:18:31 of the residents.

11:18:34 What I am fearful of is that the unanimous vote did not

11:18:38 consider a sensible decision based through the testing and

11:18:41 the practice of the device itself.

11:18:43 The device is just not adequately effective in measuring

11:18:50 noise from music, noise from people, and noise from traffic,

11:18:55 as you can clearly see in the videos that have been sent to

11:18:58 you, the noise has been taken during the day as well as at

11:19:03 night, and the meter shows exactly the same, whether there's

11:19:08 music playing or trucks going by or traffic or people that

11:19:11 have previously spoken.

11:19:13 The last thing I want to say is many of the people in this

11:19:15 room work in the restaurant industry.

11:19:18 They work from 8 to 5.

11:19:20 They work 8 p.m. until 57 a.m.




11:19:23 And you don't see them complaining about lawnmowers in the

11:19:28 morning or the ice cream man at 4:00 in the afternoon.

11:19:31 I don't want the ice cream man to go away because of a noise

11:19:35 ordinance.

11:19:35 But that's where we are going if we pass sewing that can be

11:19:40 construed in a way of a measurable device.

11:19:43 The police department has done an excellent job.

11:19:46 I used to live in St. Petersburg.

11:19:48 I used to live next to a neighbor that was very unruly, no

11:19:53 condo, that happened to be across the street from the fire

11:19:55 station.

11:19:56 If I had to call the police, which I did a number of times,

11:19:59 they would go next door and take care of the issue.

11:20:03 But when I approached the issue of the fire alarm going off

11:20:07 26 times, they said you might as well move because that's

11:20:09 not going to change.

11:20:10 That's progress.

11:20:11 So if they build a fire station that makes noise in the SoHo

11:20:15 district I feel sorry for the neighbors as well.

11:20:16 When I chose to move, I moved to Davis Island where it's

11:20:20 quiet.

11:20:20 (Bell sounds).

11:20:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

11:20:22 I appreciate it.

11:20:24 [ Applause ]




11:20:25 As I said earlier, we are not going to have applause.

11:20:27 I will clear everyone out if that's going to happen again.

11:20:29 Please stop.

11:20:30 We are going to try to get through this.

11:20:32 Go ahead, sir.

11:20:33 You are next.

11:20:34 And I will remind the speaker that this is a public hearing

11:20:36 which means that you have to stick to the item at hand which

11:20:39 is our noise ordinance, sir.

11:20:41 >> Okay.

11:20:42 The noise ordinance.

11:20:43 Okay, I'm Ed, Ed Tillou, Sulphur Springs, which is North

11:20:48 Tampa, and of course that's away from Hyde Park but has a

11:20:51 very serious noise problem.

11:20:52 And I brought this along.

11:20:56 But this then throws into question whether people, you know,

11:21:02 they don't feel they were noticed.

11:21:03 I mean, you don't have to be Jan Platt to realize the

11:21:08 importance of reading.

11:21:08 So anyway, what's happening up in North Tampa is not

11:21:14 stationary noise but it vehicle noise.

11:21:17 It's moving vehicles.

11:21:18 But I still think the Tampa PD could get a handle on that.

11:21:23 All they have to do is go up to Nebraska and Fowler, sit up

11:21:28 on the corner, have a couple of mobile police, and they can




11:21:31 call them on the radio and say, oh, it was a red Honda.

11:21:35 Oh, it was a white Mustang, as if people there don't know

11:21:39 but you have the documentation right then and there.

11:21:41 Another place around Chamberlain high school.

11:21:44 So much for the students of Chamberlain high school being

11:21:48 taught to be good citizens.

11:21:49 I think they are a big part of it.

11:21:51 Another place is Hillsborough and Lois, we'll say.

11:21:54 These are all places with serious noise problems that are

11:21:59 stationary noise problems.

11:22:00 Maybe 55 is a little low.

11:22:02 But regarding noise problems, I had an earlier exposure to

11:22:06 this because my dad's house was right around Idlewild

11:22:10 airport.

11:22:11 Was renamed Kennedy airport.

11:22:13 But the thing is, it was about 50 feet high.

11:22:18 It was horrible.

11:22:19 Anyway, the new people that moved into the neighborhood

11:22:23 dropped in gear and they went to meetings like this and they

11:22:26 complained and complained and complained.

11:22:27 I didn't think it was fair because they knew that airport

11:22:30 was there when they moved there.

11:22:34 The older residents who were there before the airport.

11:22:37 I think there's a little bit of that.

11:22:39 Because the thing is that if you look, you would say, well,




11:22:43 Hyde Park has people that have lived there for a long time

11:22:49 so maybe it needs to be lower.

11:22:52 On the other hand, some guy came from Channelside and was

11:22:55 complaining about the noise but he moved there.

11:22:57 He knew how it works.

11:22:59 And Ybor City is somewhere in between.

11:23:01 Of course there's a lot of older residents that have been

11:23:04 exposed to the increasing noise levels.

11:23:06 But more and more, Tampa is becoming a good place to visit,

11:23:10 but a horrible place to live.

11:23:12 And when I go back north, Baltimore and D.C., I'll be

11:23:16 telling a lot of people that, because they used to ask me

11:23:19 when I moved up there from Pinellas County, oh, what's it

11:23:22 like down there?

11:23:23 And I said, well, I could tell you, that I don't know about

11:23:26 Tampa but I know about Pinellas.

11:23:28 And Pinellas is a horrible place.

11:23:30 And a lot of people went, oh, they were thinking about

11:23:33 moving there.

11:23:34 But now I know what Tampa is like and I say, well, Tampa is

11:23:37 kind of a mixed bag but there's a lot of problems, one of

11:23:40 which is noise, blah-blah-blah, this and that.

11:23:43 (Bell sounds).

11:23:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

11:23:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: If it's so bad, why do you come back?




11:23:51 >> I came back --

11:23:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: No, no.

11:23:54 That was rhetorical.

11:23:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let everyone have a chance.

11:23:58 Go ahead, sir.

11:23:59 >> How are you doing, everyone?

11:24:02 My name is a Andrew Parker, general manager at the lodge in

11:24:06 South Tampa.

11:24:07 Thank you for the honor.

11:24:10 I'm not worried as much as these guys about the 55-decibel

11:24:15 meter that you guys are logical enough to understand that's

11:24:19 way too low.

11:24:24 Workshop, table it for another time.

11:24:26 What I want to talk about is I agree with Mrs. CAPON.

11:24:36 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Capin.

11:24:38 >> But we want to be involved more with the neighborhood.

11:24:41 We are the neighborhood.

11:24:42 The neighbors are the neighborhood.

11:24:44 We need to come together.

11:24:46 That will be cool.

11:24:47 We have a soho business alliance and we have a neighborhood

11:24:52 watch and a neighborhood meeting, but it's just adversarial.

11:24:58 We can hug it out. That would be cool.

11:24:59 Also, to address Mrs. McGee, she has an issue with us mainly

11:25:05 because we are the closest to her.




11:25:10 I believe that's why we have done -- I don't want to say we

11:25:13 have bent over backwards but we comply with everything we

11:25:16 need to do, mitigation, changing speakers.

11:25:19 She said we have speakers outside.

11:25:21 We do have speakers outside but we don't play them after 6

11:25:25 on Sunday and after 10 p.m. on other nights unless there's a

11:25:31 game.

11:25:32 You want to listen to the game.

11:25:34 We also have TVs outside but you want to be able to sit

11:25:38 outside and watch TV.

11:25:40 The neighborhood defines what businesses are successful.

11:25:43 So she painted a picture --

11:25:47 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If I could interrupt you for a second.

11:25:50 Don't make it about one individual.

11:25:51 This is about the noise ordinance.

11:25:52 And not just your organization but the entire ordinance.

11:25:56 If you would stick to that, that would be great.

11:25:58 Thank you, sir.

11:25:58 >> So what happens no neighborhood is the neighbors decide

11:26:04 what businesses are going to be successful.

11:26:07 Our businesses, we don't come in and push out other

11:26:09 businesses.

11:26:10 They sell them because they are not making money or they

11:26:13 want to retire or whatever.

11:26:14 The neighborhood, the clients that we have, the citizens




11:26:17 that we have, they decide what's going to be busy, what's

11:26:21 going to be profitable.

11:26:22 And in the SoHo district, it's bars.

11:26:26 It's restaurants.

11:26:27 I also want to thank TPD for keeping a level head, knowledge

11:26:33 logical.

11:26:34 Out of 6,000 complaints they have written 13 violations.

11:26:47 Again I want to reiterate that we come together again versus

11:26:54 businesses and neighborhoods.

11:26:55 Thank you.

11:26:55 >> Good morning.

11:26:57 David Anderson, born and raised in Tampa, Florida.

11:27:00 And I strongly oppose this ordinance.

11:27:04 I realize today is more about the district.

11:27:07 However next weekend I will be opening a large restaurant

11:27:10 and bar in downtown Tampa with a large patio, and that could

11:27:13 directly affect my livelihood and 360 of our employees that

11:27:18 is set to open next week.

11:27:19 I believe the way we are taking the measurements is entirely

11:27:22 too low.

11:27:23 I could be on my patio playing my guitar Friday at 4 p.m.

11:27:27 and I could get shut down.

11:27:29 I don't think that's reasonable.

11:27:31 I'm hoping that we take a step back and find a proper way to

11:27:35 measure this.




11:27:36 Thank you.

11:27:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Next please.

11:27:41 >> My name is Richard Smith.

11:27:44 I have one quick thing to say.

11:27:45 Seems to me like the right thing to do is to do what's going

11:27:49 to help the most amount of people.

11:27:51 It feels to me like the majority of people in this room

11:27:54 would be helped in this ordinance is not passed.

11:27:56 But if this ordinance is passed it's going to help a small

11:27:59 group.

11:28:00 But the majority of the people here would not be helped.

11:28:04 Thank you.

11:28:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:28:05 Before we go forward I want to make sure is there anyone

11:28:09 else that would like to speak on this ordinance before we

11:28:11 move forward with our next speaker?

11:28:12 I think we have two people that want to speak on this side.

11:28:15 Is there anyone else either inside this chamber or who has

11:28:18 been sitting outside the chamber that has not spoken that

11:28:21 would like to speak on this ordinance?

11:28:22 If so please try to line up along hear.

11:28:25 If you are not going to speak, please move towards the back

11:28:27 or move to one of the chairs so I know exactly how many

11:28:30 people are going to be.

11:28:31 So hang on before you go.




11:28:33 It looks like I have one, two, three, four.

11:28:36 Anyone else?

11:28:38 Please line up if you are going to speak.

11:28:40 That hasn't spoken before.

11:28:42 Just make sure.

11:28:47 All right, sir in the blue shirt, you look like you are the

11:28:49 last one to speak before we go forward.

11:28:53 And I will wait until someone comes up, if there's anybody

11:28:57 on the outside.

11:28:59 In a one else?

11:29:00 Okay.

11:29:00 Sir, in the blue shirt at the end, blond hair, blue shirt,

11:29:03 you are the last speaker on this item.

11:29:05 Thank you.

11:29:06 Sir.

11:29:07 And you get no reward for that but thanks for being the last

11:29:09 one.

11:29:10 Sir, you are next.

11:29:11 >> My name is Gordon Schiff, and I represent Mr. and Mrs.

11:29:17 Tom L. Rankin.

11:29:19 I'm here today just to say a few words.

11:29:22 I would like to remind council that the purpose of this item

11:29:24 was brought to you in the first place was to strengthen and

11:29:27 protect residents, but with regard to my client, they live

11:29:32 in Ballast Point, a very quiet tree-lined area.




11:29:36 And it would be something that would be very bad for Ballast

11:29:39 Point to weaken your noise ordinance in such a quiet area.

11:29:44 So I would suggest to council that you fulfill the purpose

11:29:48 that this started with, which was to strengthen and protect,

11:29:52 and that you make sure you protect areas like Ballast Point,

11:29:56 which are very quiet as they are today.

11:29:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:30:00 Next, please.

11:30:01 >> Alysse Bastille, where Ashley drive.

11:30:08 I represent business and neighborhoods in various

11:30:11 jurisdictions throughout the City of Tampa.

11:30:13 And I'm here to actually try to offer a solution and

11:30:16 suggestion rather than tell you why the ordinance doesn't

11:30:20 work.

11:30:21 The purpose of the ordinance set forth in the proposed draft

11:30:24 before you is to protect the health, safety and welfare of

11:30:28 its citizens.

11:30:29 So my concern is, why is my health, safety and welfare less

11:30:36 important than anybody else in a different jurisdiction.

11:30:38 So I ask you to look at this as a long-term ordinance.

11:30:41 I think perhaps why we have had struggles since 1999 is we

11:30:44 are taking snapshots of the City of Tampa.

11:30:47 1999, 2003.

11:30:49 We are going to continue to evolve.

11:30:50 We are going to continue to develop.




11:30:52 Different jurisdictions are going to go through

11:30:54 transitions -- transitions.

11:30:58 So looking at this more globally might be something to serve

11:31:01 the city, businesses and residents more than looking at

11:31:04 Rocky Point or SoHo or Ybor City but what's in the best

11:31:08 interest of the City of Tampa?

11:31:09 There are many jurisdictions throughout the country in a

11:31:11 have different sound ordinances that are tied specifically

11:31:14 to zoning, whether it's residential, whether it's

11:31:16 commercial, whether it's industrial.

11:31:18 And they set those standards for how it's zoned.

11:31:21 Then you as City Council get to determine where is that

11:31:23 appropriate? What are the appropriate patterns?

11:31:28 I would just suggest if you workshop this, if you have

11:31:30 further discussion, you take that into consideration and

11:31:33 consider looking at that as a possible solution to us and

11:31:37 for the entire city.

11:31:38 Thank you.

11:31:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:31:40 Next, please.

11:31:41 >> My name is Barry O'Connor.

11:31:48 I'm also a Tampa resident.

11:31:51 I'm here today not to speak in opposition to the orthopedics

11:31:54 but to see if we can come to some better understanding and

11:31:57 work together as a lot of people echoed, the workshop.




11:32:02 I did attend a meeting at the public library.

11:32:07 It was my understanding that City Council, the city

11:32:12 attorney, Mr. Schmid, I thought it was going to be a

11:32:19 workshop and not -- like the rest of the business owners we

11:32:25 didn't know there was going to be a first meeting and first

11:32:28 vote.

11:32:28 It was brought to our attention by Steve Michelini.

11:32:32 It passed 7-0.

11:32:34 That's why we are here in opposition today.

11:32:36 We do want Tampa noise ordinance, but better and more fair

11:32:39 one.

11:32:40 Thank you.

11:32:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:32:42 Next, please.

11:32:42 >> Hello.

11:32:47 My name is Jennifer -- SoHo and one of the bartenders there.

11:32:52 I want to say this quick point, that I was standing out in

11:32:56 the lobby for a few moments, actually a while, while waiting

11:33:01 to come in here and enjoy this little meeting here, and even

11:33:04 just out there with 30 people that were out there was, I'm

11:33:09 sure, higher than the 50 or 06 decibels, and even out there,

11:33:14 had to be quiet.

11:33:17 On a normal day in a normal room, not considering the sound

11:33:21 bounce with the audible sound, or with a tool, then a patio

11:33:29 business in our area of SoHo which is a big source of




11:33:33 revenue for our businesses.

11:33:35 All of our patios, like there's a lot of us that bartend,

11:33:40 that's a big part of our income.

11:33:41 And just stating that we should probably take a look at the

11:33:46 level.

11:33:49 We are not opposed to coming to a certain conclusion that is

11:33:54 best for everybody, because we definitely want to support

11:33:57 our neighbors.

11:33:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you so much.

11:34:02 Next, please.

11:34:02 >> My name is Brian Figliero, catering, and also part of one

11:34:15 of the downtown locations that's opening next week.

11:34:18 I understand a lot of the concern here is about SoHo.

11:34:20 But I think the main concern is to address our city, you do

11:34:27 have the millennials. I was born and raised here in Tampa.

11:34:33 If you look at where Tampa inner city was five years ago,

11:34:36 ten years ago, and where we are today, there's no doubt

11:34:39 something has changed in our city and if we wanted to

11:34:41 continue to bring in millennials, continue to provide the

11:34:44 experience that we are providing and bringing in more

11:34:46 corporations or headquartering here in Tampa, we need to

11:34:50 seriously consider this ordinance and what it's doing, not

11:34:52 only for the businesses that are in those areas, but what

11:34:56 it's doing for the experience that we are providing as a

11:34:59 city.




11:34:59 I think a lot of people have done a good job describing the

11:35:03 ordinance and issue they have with the ordinance.

11:35:05 But I would like you to take into consideration also the

11:35:07 growth of our city and what we are trying to accomplish as

11:35:11 Tampa.

11:35:12 Thank you.

11:35:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Next, please.

11:35:16 And before you speak, this gentleman is going to be the last

11:35:18 one.

11:35:19 There is a guy with glasses and a black tie and shirt that

11:35:22 was in line that went to sit down.

11:35:24 I want to make sure if you don't want to speak, that's fine.

11:35:27 But you were in line.

11:35:29 He is our last speaker.

11:35:30 Is there anyone else that wants to speak that is either

11:35:33 outside, inside, but is not the gentleman in the blue shirt

11:35:36 to my right is going to be the last speaker.

11:35:39 I apologize.

11:35:40 >>Are my name is mark us winters, one of the owners much

11:35:43 MacDinton's Irish pub.

11:35:46 And I work along with a lot of people in the room here.

11:35:49 I also employ quite a lot of people in the room.

11:35:52 People who worked at 4:00 this morning and come here today.

11:35:56 But I originally don't come from this area.

11:36:00 I came from Ireland.




11:36:01 It's very green.

11:36:04 We get a lot of rain.

11:36:05 I live in Florida.

11:36:06 The weather is beautiful.

11:36:07 I like to be outside.

11:36:08 I don't want to sit inside.

11:36:11 People come to MacDinton's.

11:36:14 If this regulation goes through when you ask people oh to

11:36:17 keep the conversation at noise levels, if three or four

11:36:24 people are in the conversation their level is going to go

11:36:27 over 55.

11:36:28 Traffic.

11:36:29 We sent a video out to a lot of you members that one of my

11:36:34 managers made.

11:36:35 Cars making a level of 75 decibels.

11:36:39 We don't have to stop asking cars to drive up and down

11:36:44 Howard because they are making too much noise.

11:36:46 I am not against a noise ordinance and I thank you for all

11:36:49 the hard work that you have done, too, but I think we need

11:36:53 to revisit the ordinance.

11:36:54 We would love to come together, and work with you guys as

11:36:58 best we can, just to come up with an agreement that works

11:37:01 for everybody.

11:37:04 Thank you for your time.

11:37:05 I appreciate it.




11:37:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:37:08 Sir, you are now our last speaker.

11:37:13 That doesn't apply for the end of the day but thank you.

11:37:15 >> 93067 A

11:37:21 I agree with Marcus.

11:37:23 I think that 55, it's far too below normal parking levels.

11:37:30 There's a lot of ambient sounds on South Howard.

11:37:33 As it is, I feel we would be out of compliance even if we

11:37:36 weren't open.

11:37:37 I think we should be considered entertainment district like

11:37:41 Channelside or Ybor.

11:37:44 We are far busier than Channelside.

11:37:46 That's just a fact.

11:37:47 And there's a lot of residents in Channelside as well.

11:37:53 I used to work in Channelside, full power is residential

11:38:03 condos.

11:38:05 And I know there's a lot of residential in Ybor as well.

11:38:08 I feel that we should be considered an entertainment

11:38:12 district and should be held up to the same standards that

11:38:17 Ybor and Channelside are.

11:38:22 That's pretty much it.

11:38:25 (Laughter).

11:38:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

11:38:27 I appreciate it.

11:38:28 One last call.




11:38:29 Since there's a lot of bar owners here, last call for any

11:38:32 kind of public -- okay.

11:38:35 Sir, you are up.

11:38:36 Is there anyone else that wants to speak on this item?

11:38:39 Please come forward.

11:38:41 You are my last person.

11:38:43 Sir.

11:38:43 That's it.

11:38:44 In a one else can come forward.

11:38:45 >> I appreciate the second chance here.

11:38:49 I was reluctant to come and speak because I am a resident in

11:38:52 downtown St. Pete.

11:38:53 My name is Pete BOLUS, kind of new to Tampa.

11:38:58 Very proud resident of St. Pete but very proud to be part of

11:39:00 the SoHo business district.

11:39:02 And what a lot of the others have said up here, as someone

11:39:08 who lives in downtown St. Pete and who has, you know,

11:39:11 frequented a lot of night spots on both sides of the bay,

11:39:13 the SoHo district is the district on either side of the bay.

11:39:19 For it to be not considered entertainment district is a

11:39:22 joke.

11:39:22 And to look around compared to Channelside, Ybor, even

11:39:25 downtown St. Pete, we have a driving business scene down

11:39:27 there.

11:39:28 SoHo draws more people.




11:39:29 And it's been, you know, the good work of you guys up here

11:39:32 on council over the years and the work of all of this

11:39:35 business owners and employees.

11:39:36 And also a lot of the residents want to have their cake and

11:39:41 eat it too.

11:39:41 They want to benefit from the increased property values with

11:39:44 all these bars and restaurants have brought.

11:39:47 On sow Howard but they don't wanted to deal with what combs

11:39:51 from that.

11:39:52 I want to let you know that we work really hard in St. Pete

11:39:55 to work with the residents to build a good sound ordinance.

11:40:00 I live near the shuffleboard courts.

11:40:02 There's a lot of stuff going on there on Friday and Saturday

11:40:05 nights.

11:40:05 It's part of the deal of being in this work, live and play

11:40:08 environment.

11:40:09 And it just needs to be considered.

11:40:11 Thank you.

11:40:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:40:13 Okay.

11:40:14 Mr. Grandoff, are you coming to speak as a member of the

11:40:17 public?

11:40:17 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: On behalf of a client.

11:40:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

11:40:20 The reason I said that is I just repeated several times that




11:40:23 that gentleman would be the last one.

11:40:25 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I apologize, Mr. Chairman.

11:40:27 I was outside the chambers.

11:40:28 >> You should never be more busy than to be in here, sir.

11:40:31 But I will let you be the last word.

11:40:33 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I will certainly take heed.

11:40:35 >> In order to save my record I will let you go forward.

11:40:38 >> I will be very brief.

11:40:39 Good morning, members of council, Mr. Chairman.

11:40:41 My name is John Grandoff, suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza.

11:40:46 I'm here on behalf of Howard and Morrison LLC, the owner of

11:40:50 the northeast corner of Howard and Morrison, a new building

11:40:54 under construction, mixed use project, which will have

11:40:58 restaurants on the bottom floor and retail, as well as

11:41:02 residents living there.

11:41:04 The restaurant concept is going to be a cafe style

11:41:08 restaurant concept, open air on Howard Avenue.

11:41:11 And our clients are very concerned that the enforcement of

11:41:14 the ordinance may be based upon vague or overbroad

11:41:18 provisions in the ordinance.

11:41:20 And I think the best way to flesh that out to would be to

11:41:23 have the workshop that you are planning to have, but have

11:41:26 the noise consultant provide a demonstration to you here in

11:41:30 the chamber, instead of a discussion over words and parsing

11:41:34 words back and forth, and pro and con.




11:41:38 I think you should have a laboratory, a noise laboratory of

11:41:42 exactly how these devices will work, mimic or demonstrate

11:41:48 the noises that would be at issue, whether it's music,

11:41:51 automobile sounds, barking dogs, casual conversation, live

11:41:58 music, music in the background.

11:42:00 Get the whole spectrum of what could be involved, because I

11:42:04 think what you will do is you will help your police force

11:42:06 enforce the ordinance.

11:42:08 You will certainly give comfort to the residents that are

11:42:11 concerned about the ordinance and will it be enforced, and

11:42:15 you will lastly benefit those who are most affected by the

11:42:19 ordinance, the property owners on Howard Avenue.

11:42:21 So they will have comfort in knowing how it will be

11:42:23 enforced.

11:42:24 What I don't think should happen is you shouldn't have an

11:42:26 ad hoc enforcement process in the field, because

11:42:34 constituents are going to call you and say it's not working.

11:42:38 You will know that it worked because you will have had the

11:42:41 laboratory and the workshop and say we understand how it's

11:42:45 going to work, you have to let it operate.

11:42:47 I just ask that you firmly get your arms around the issue

11:42:50 and how it's going to work and it will work for the best for

11:42:52 everyone.

11:42:53 Thank you.

11:42:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.




11:42:55 Public comments are closed now.

11:42:57 Mrs. Capin, if you could go forward.

11:42:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: [Off microphone.] thank you.

11:43:01 I took several notes here.

11:43:03 I was a small business woman all my adult life.

11:43:07 Until I came to City Council.

11:43:09 So I understand small business.

11:43:11 Are nose is to the grind stone.

11:43:13 You do not lift your head.

11:43:17 You work and work and work.

11:43:18 And if you have to, you clean the toilets, sweep the floors,

11:43:21 mop them, whatever needs to be done.

11:43:23 I completely understand the business mentality.

11:43:26 And the business model.

11:43:27 I also want you to know that when I was first appointed, I

11:43:31 represented district 4, which is Tampa SoHo district falls

11:43:36 in there.

11:43:37 And I decided one night at dinner, my late husband was with

11:43:42 me, and I said, now what?

11:43:44 I keep hearing this on South Howard.

11:43:46 I am going to go walk it.

11:43:48 And I didn't tell anyone except I called our detective here

11:43:54 and asked him to help me contact one of the officers that

11:44:00 was in charge of SoHo.

11:44:03 I was there till 3:30 in the morning walking.




11:44:09 This is two weeks after I was appointed.

11:44:12 In 2010.

11:44:13 Here we are in 2016.

11:44:17 There were places that were extremely loud.

11:44:20 But by and large it was more noise of people speaking,

11:44:26 talking.

11:44:27 And I also will tell you this.

11:44:31 I have lived in a corner on Azeele and Westshore which has a

11:44:36 traffic light.

11:44:37 And that noise is way, way harder when a car REVs up and

11:44:44 stops, and I have a place near the expressway on the water

11:44:49 in St. Pete, and that expressway is less -- it's more like a

11:44:57 white noise because the cars are just constantly moving.

11:45:00 So when you talk about cars and when you brought up that 80

11:45:04 decibels for motorcycle or bus, that 80-decibel might be

11:45:07 that motorcycle, that bus, but it isn't going on for hours.

11:45:10 There's a difference there.

11:45:14 You know, 55 decibels in a place for 17 years.

11:45:25 So when you are speaking against it, your businesses are

11:45:29 thriving.

11:45:29 And it's been 55 and it is at 55.

11:45:33 You know, this area is thriving.

11:45:37 Now, I am not saying, as I said before, that I would support

11:45:42 my esteemed colleague, Councilman Reddick, and his motion

11:45:47 that we go forward and bring back the decibel conversation.




11:46:00 Now, when it comes to outdoor amplification, everybody knows

11:46:04 where I stand on that one.

11:46:09 I wrote all over this thing.

11:46:12 And, you know, I know that we want everybody to come to

11:46:16 Tampa.

11:46:17 We want people of all spectrums of the age group.

11:46:21 But just to let you know, the people that have the most

11:46:26 discretionary income are Gen Xers and baby boomers.

11:46:31 So everybody knows.

11:46:33 Now, the millennials will be going up that ladder, too.

11:46:41 So I want to reassure the business owners and the residents,

11:46:44 and as I said before, it needs to be a whole, and it hasn't

11:46:47 been.

11:46:48 That was in 2010.

11:46:50 When I had that community meeting, which again was a month

11:46:53 after I had been appointed, one of the city attorneys was

11:46:57 with me, and she had to stand up to tell the business owners

11:47:04 and the neighborhood that I was there to hear what they had

11:47:06 to say.

11:47:11 And I was attacked at that meeting, I was -- you know, being

11:47:19 a month in this job was just amazing to me that the people

11:47:25 did not understand what was trying to be done.

11:47:29 That's the only time that I know of that a City Council

11:47:35 person called for the neighborhood and the businesses to be

11:47:38 there together.




11:47:40 Now, neither one knew that they had been called, but they

11:47:43 had been.

11:47:44 The letters all went out.

11:47:46 And since then, it's been SoHo business district, you know,

11:47:51 the Oscawana neighborhood, and the other one, it isn't going

11:47:56 to work.

11:47:58 That model is not going to work: And whoever came up with

11:48:02 it, you need to rethink that really seriously.

11:48:05 And when you talk about MacDinton's and they can't talk,

11:48:09 MacDinton's is approved for 700 people.

11:48:12 700 people talking is going to be, you know, off the charts.

11:48:17 But what happens too is when you raise that decibel, people

11:48:21 speak louder, because they need to be heard.

11:48:24 So it becomes a catch-22.

11:48:29 I don't want to be here and have the businesses think that

11:48:36 we are holding them whose Tampa International.

11:48:38 That's not -- you know, businesses are the epicenter of the

11:48:44 neighborhood.

11:48:44 The income that comes into those neighborhoods is

11:48:46 extraordinary.

11:48:47 With the wholesalers that are -- it just goes own and on and

11:48:52 on, all businesses benefit the neighborhood.

11:48:56 So that's my statement.

11:48:58 I am going to go ahead and -- if Mr -- after council members

11:49:07 speak, if Councilman Reddick makes his motion I will second




11:49:11 it, and also, I think he will also add that we will visit

11:49:14 the decibel.

11:49:17 And, you know, Ybor, we could talk about Ybor.

11:49:20 Ybor's decibel -- and we are talkings 99.

11:49:24 Ybor, when all of Ybor decided to be an entertainment

11:49:28 center, nobody lived there.

11:49:29 Nobody.

11:49:29 There weren't even businesses there.

11:49:31 Which happened.

11:49:35 So that's how Ybor came about.

11:49:37 Then the gentlemen who spoke about downtown, downtown is

11:49:40 different from the rest of the city.

11:49:43 That's just me and I want you all to know that I am a small

11:49:47 business -- and I am still a small business woman.

11:49:49 Thank you.

11:49:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: The order is now Mrs. Montelione and Mr.

11:49:52 Cohen after that.

11:49:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And Christine is going to help me out.

11:49:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I thought Christine was going to be the one

11:49:59 to speak to it.

11:50:00 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Christine might want to speak.

11:50:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And she might want to.

11:50:03 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for the assistance, Christine.

11:50:06 So today, most everyone we heard from, not all but most

11:50:10 everyone we heard from was from SoHo.




11:50:14 And I asked Christine to put this slide up, which was from a

11:50:18 previous presentation we had during the first reading.

11:50:23 And I think we had that a couple of years ago, same

11:50:26 presentation.

11:50:28 And that map shows where all these calls for loud music

11:50:33 disturbances are coming from.

11:50:35 So everyone that's here to talk about SoHo, this ordinance

11:50:39 covers the entire city.

11:50:41 It is not about one district.

11:50:45 And you can see the areas that are heavily concentrated.

11:50:53 These are calls from January to April of 2016 by district,

11:50:58 Tampa police district.

11:51:00 District 2 covers my district of North Tampa and New Tampa

11:51:07 and Tampa Palms.

11:51:08 It also covers Seminole Heights and other areas as well.

11:51:12 And you can see there's only one more call in district 2

11:51:17 than there is in 1.

11:51:20 So this isn't about business owners in SoHo.

11:51:23 We are not trying to close anybody down.

11:51:25 We are not trying to stop you from being profitable.

11:51:29 We are trying to address an issue that is city-wide.

11:51:33 And when clay Daniels, who brought this up, I don't know how

11:51:38 many years ago, and has been dogging this issue for years

11:51:41 and years and years, he's from East Tampa.

11:51:45 The issue is, you know, inform Hall of Fame him, are




11:51:48 people's homes when they have house parties and they are

11:51:51 really, really loud, or driving down the street with their

11:51:55 stereos and really, really loud.

11:51:57 I have to tell my own boyfriend to tell the radio down

11:52:01 because he likes heavy metal music and he plays them really,

11:52:04 really loud.

11:52:05 And I have asked him, turn it down, it's late.

11:52:07 And he said, yeah, I know, heavy metal music, I can

11:52:11 understand, but welcome to my world.

11:52:14 So, yeah, his preferred band is split KNOT.

11:52:20 The noise ordinance, Miss Capin mentioned that everybody

11:52:25 knows where she stands as far as outdoor amplified sound.

11:52:29 And she and I have agreed to disagree on a lot of issues,

11:52:35 and that's one of them.

11:52:36 So when we have rezoning hearings, or special use hearings

11:52:40 for alcoholic beverage, and, you know, she's requesting

11:52:44 oftentimes that the outdoor amplified sounds either stop at

11:52:51 10 or 11 or sometimes midnight, depending on where in the

11:52:54 city this establishment is that comes before us.

11:53:00 I, on the other hand, have always said, in a, don't agree to

11:53:03 that, because we have a noise ordinance that is your

11:53:10 establishment or in your neighborhood something gets too

11:53:12 loud and it's obnoxious in the middle of the night, you can

11:53:15 call TPD and they can enforce the noise ordinance.

11:53:18 We don't have to, by every single rezoning or special use




11:53:24 application, put it on the site plan that you are not

11:53:27 permitted to have outdoor amplified sound after 10 or 11 or

11:53:32 12, whatever the case may be.

11:53:34 So either you work with us, businesses and residents alike

11:53:41 to have a noise ordinance that works, or you have every time

11:53:45 a new business comes for special use application or a PD

11:53:49 application be told, you can't have any outdoor amplified

11:53:52 sound after 10 or 11 or 12:00 at night.

11:53:56 Those of you who have been here before, for those special

11:54:00 use applications -- and there are a few -- know what we mean

11:54:05 which nothing after 10:00 at night.

11:54:09 So you come here and then you agree to that, but now you are

11:54:15 fighting the noise ordinance.

11:54:19 You have to come together, and we have to have some kind of

11:54:23 compromise.

11:54:25 And by coming here and speaking, and only being SoHo, and

11:54:31 that we are trying to destroy your businesses, doesn't help.

11:54:35 What helps is working together with us to pass something

11:54:38 that will work for everyone.

11:54:40 And I am going to support passing this today, but I am also

11:54:44 going to support coming back in a workshop to talk about,

11:54:47 you know, maybe changing the rules by district, maybe

11:54:51 changing the hours, or maybe changing the decibel level.

11:54:56 It does need work.

11:54:57 But we have to start somewhere.




11:54:59 And I think this is a good place for us to start.

11:55:02 Thank you.

11:55:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

11:55:04 Mr. Cohen.

11:55:04 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you very much.

11:55:08 I particularly enjoyed Councilwoman Capin's comments about

11:55:12 what it's like to represent district 4.

11:55:15 And, you know, I really do want to reiterate the point that

11:55:19 the only way that this community is going to grow and strife

11:55:23 is when residents and businesses work together, because we

11:55:26 are all in it together.

11:55:28 We all exist together.

11:55:29 And no matter what the frustrations we have with one

11:55:32 another, our continuously prosperity requires cooperation.

11:55:40 I have a slightly different take on what I would like to see

11:55:43 us do today.

11:55:44 And that is partly because of the way our calendar falls.

11:55:47 And I just want to propose this to council.

11:55:49 Everyone has their own view on how we should proceed.

11:55:54 We have a regular meeting next week on the 1st.

11:55:57 And I would suggest doing this today, but because of what

11:56:01 Ms. Mandell said, I don't know that -- I don't think it's

11:56:04 legally possible.

11:56:05 But what I would like to do -- and this is because we cannot

11:56:09 keep putting this off forever and continuing and continuing.




11:56:13 There's been a lot of frustration over the years that it has

11:56:15 taken to us get to this point.

11:56:17 What I would like to see us do is to bring it back on first

11:56:20 reading next week on the 1st, and to pass it without

11:56:23 decibel levels, because that can be excised it from.

11:56:26 It will go ahead and address the issues that have been

11:56:29 raised by Mr. Daniels and throughout the city about cars and

11:56:34 houses and all the things that have been so frustrating.

11:56:37 And then immediately support the workshop that I believe is

11:56:39 going to be proposed.

11:56:41 County be done as early as September, to only deal with the

11:56:45 decibel issue.

11:56:46 Figure out what the appropriate numbers are, and then pass

11:56:51 something separately as soon as we can come to that

11:56:54 conclusion.

11:56:55 I want to reiterate for everyone's understanding that this

11:56:59 ordinance is an either/or.

11:57:02 It has a plainly audible standard and the decibel.

11:57:04 So if you pass it without the decibel, you still have the

11:57:08 plainly audible standard, which I believe Mr. Schmid said

11:57:11 has been developed enough in case law that it would be

11:57:15 enforceable and would be allowed to continue.

11:57:18 It would allow us to move forward.

11:57:20 It would allow us to get this on the books.

11:57:22 And the narrow issue of the decibel levels which has not




11:57:26 been addressed since 1999, to my knowledge, could be taken

11:57:29 up as planned.

11:57:33 I think that the problem with passing the decibel levels

11:57:36 today is that we have received enough information that they

11:57:41 are unreasonable, that I just think that we owe it to

11:57:45 ourselves to take a look at it.

11:57:46 I will tell you that my voice violates the decibel level.

11:57:50 I know I'm a loud person.

11:57:51 But, you know, there is, I think, a reasonable standard.

11:57:58 If we didn't have a meeting next week whereby we could do

11:58:00 this on first reading we couldn't ensure the public we would

11:58:03 take it up judicially and move it along.

11:58:06 But that's really what I think we ought to do.

11:58:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Miranda.

11:58:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I second the motion that you are a loud

11:58:12 person because my desk rattles when you speak.

11:58:18 (Laughter)

11:58:19 Is the legal department here, Mr. Schmid?

11:58:21 Let me ask you a question.

11:58:23 And I hope I understood what Mr. Cohen said.

11:58:26 How can you argue in court about a noise ordinance that

11:58:32 doesn't have a decibel level?

11:58:35 How can that be Constitutionally enforced?

11:58:40 What are you here for?

11:58:41 I'm here about the noise level.




11:58:42 Well, what's the level of it?

11:58:44 I don't know.

11:58:44 I don't have a decibel.

11:58:46 How can you enforce that?

11:58:47 >> Michael Schmid: Sure.

11:58:50 I think if you look at our ordinance, it actually lays out a

11:58:54 lot of criteria and definition to help explain that.

11:58:57 I think if you go to 14, I believe we have discussed

11:59:00 before --

11:59:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'm thinking about a judge, how do they

11:59:04 think?

11:59:05 Forget what is written.

11:59:06 What would you do if you were a judge and I came to you as

11:59:09 an attorney and said I want you to enforce this, your Honor.

11:59:12 >> Enforce what?

11:59:13 Well, what is the noise level?

11:59:15 I don't know.

11:59:15 How can you enforce something you don't know?

11:59:17 >> I think there are definitions that provide guidance.

11:59:20 Just anymore guidance as a crime that might be like a

11:59:24 battery.

11:59:24 >> Then are you saying to me that we can give a ticket to an

11:59:27 automobile going down the street without a posted sign

11:59:30 saying what the speed limit is?

11:59:32 >> Sir, I'm saying that I think this ordinance does provide




11:59:36 guidance.

11:59:39 Just like a speed limit sign provides guidance.

11:59:43 I think the ordinance provides guidance.

11:59:45 Before we go forward, we are going to need somebody

11:59:47 additional time.

11:59:48 I would suggest between 15 and 30 minutes.

11:59:50 Then we can break for lunch.

11:59:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Move for 15 minutes.

11:59:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

11:59:57 Second by Mrs. Capin.

11:59:58 All in favor of that motion?

12:00:00 Any opposed?

12:00:01 Okay.

12:00:01 Mr. Miranda, you were finished?

12:00:03 >> I'm finished.

12:00:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

12:00:05 Is there anyone else before I go to a second round?

12:00:09 Mr. Reddick.

12:00:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: I just want clarification because based on

12:00:12 what Mr. Cohen was stating -- and let me make sure I

12:00:16 understand what we can pass.

12:00:20 When we voted last time, and we did a unanimous vote, I

12:00:28 thought we all had a clear understanding what we were voting

12:00:30 on.

12:00:31 And the only thing I'm hearing today is people talking about




12:00:37 decibel level.

12:00:38 So I'm wondering in this current ordinance that we voted

12:00:41 unanimously, the questions decibel level included in this

12:00:48 ordinance?

12:00:48 >> Yes.

12:00:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: So if we, in order to remove that, we

12:00:52 would have to sended back to first reading?

12:00:56 Is that correct?

12:00:57 And then we could set up a workshop for the decibel, is that

12:01:00 correct what I am hearing?

12:01:02 >> Yes.

12:01:03 >>FRANK REDDICK: Okay, I wanted to make sure.

12:01:05 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Very quickly, we need to again, when we

12:01:13 bring it Barack to first reading and we take out the decibel

12:01:16 level, the decibel level stays at 55 because that's what it

12:01:19 is today.

12:01:21 Until and if it gets changed.

12:01:24 Having a workshop, in my experience here, we have to put --

12:01:32 the same way we put time limit on legal to come back to us,

12:01:38 we ourselves need to have to come back with a conclusion at

12:01:43 some time reasonable for the public to know that we are very

12:01:50 serious about either keeping it, moving it, whatever it is

12:01:54 that happens.

12:01:55 So to look at the calendar -- I'm sorry, I didn't loop at

12:02:00 the calendar.




12:02:01 >> Workshop on September 22nd.

12:02:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Okay, great.

12:02:09 Then that would be great.

12:02:11 And as far as outdoor amplification, we have term limits.

12:02:18 And we are able to vote people out.

12:02:20 But people don't vote so we put term limits so we don't have

12:02:24 to vote people out.

12:02:25 It the same thing with the noise ordinance.

12:02:27 It's the same thing.

12:02:28 People are going to complain.

12:02:32 That is the same exact thing.

12:02:34 So I do not believe that it's unreasonable at all when you

12:02:40 are within a residential area, that outdoor amplification

12:02:45 does not address acoustical music but it does address

12:02:52 outdoor limitations.

12:02:58 That is again I think something very reasonable in

12:03:01 neighborhoods.

12:03:01 So along with that, again I would like to -- I just wanted

12:03:04 to make sure that we would be able to move on it quickly.

12:03:10 Okay, thank you.

12:03:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there any other comments before we go

12:03:14 forward?

12:03:14 I have a couple comments before we go forward.

12:03:16 There was a lot of discussion here about ambient noise.

12:03:21 Ambient noise is not something that we really consider.




12:03:24 And the thing about neighbors that live near SoHo or any

12:03:28 other very busy district late at night is the constant

12:03:31 noise, not ambient noise.

12:03:34 And I have lived in places where there's traffic next to it.

12:03:38 There used to be the speeding car or the very loud muffler

12:03:41 when you are living next to a place like that but typically

12:03:44 they GOP away.

12:03:45 The problem we have is constant noise or continuous noise.

12:03:48 And that's something that we really need to get ahold of.

12:03:50 I think that most if not all of the people that are in this

12:03:54 audience that are business owners understand that and

12:03:57 actually have tried to curb a lot of their activities

12:03:59 because of complaints from neighbors, because of being

12:04:04 involved with them, talking to them, making sure -- I will

12:04:07 tell you, I know that from the folks that I know here that

12:04:10 are business owners that I have met with, and have been at

12:04:13 the SoHo alliance business meeting, they understand their

12:04:17 role to play both as a good business and a good citizen and

12:04:21 in relation to those folks.

12:04:25 I do think if we want to revisit the decibel level, we

12:04:28 should take that up separately and change the ordinance if

12:04:30 we are going to change the decibel level after we pass it.

12:04:35 I am in favor of continuing to support this and go forward,

12:04:38 or if we are not going to have the votes to do it we can

12:04:42 continue to change it.




12:04:43 I don't think coming back September 1st is a good idea.

12:04:46 I think that we really need to look at that at that decibel

12:04:50 level first, and really do a good job in a workshop session,

12:04:56 because if we make it wrong a second time after all the

12:04:59 cases that have come before us, all the other issues, we are

12:05:02 going to be no bigger thing.

12:05:06 Please don't answer yet because I wanted to make one other

12:05:09 point.

12:05:09 Part of the reason why this noise ordinance has been pro

12:05:12 text tracted as it has been is because of litigation.

12:05:14 It wasn't because we didn't want to take this up sooner.

12:05:17 We have been working on this and massaging this and trying

12:05:19 to figure out when we are going to do it since 2012 at

12:05:23 least.

12:05:23 That's because we had something on the books.

12:05:25 It got changed because of litigation.

12:05:27 It got changed again.

12:05:28 It got put off because we couldn't enforce it.

12:05:31 So this is not a matter of us -- we as a council not taking

12:05:35 up this issue.

12:05:36 We have taken it up several times.

12:05:38 But we were constrained by what the law was saying.

12:05:42 So we are trying to come up with the best type of compromise

12:05:44 that allows those businesses to continue to operate and

12:05:47 allows some modicum of peace for those people who live in




12:05:53 SoHo.

12:05:54 That to me I think is what we crafted here and I audience

12:05:57 lot of business owners didn't know about this. I think that

12:06:00 you have a paid executive director.

12:06:01 I think you ought to talk to that person about why you did

12:06:03 not know that this was coming forward, because we all knew,

12:06:07 okay.

12:06:07 And that's the only thing I have to say about that

12:06:09 particular issue.

12:06:10 Same thing with neighbors.

12:06:12 Sometimes, there's signs, this and that.

12:06:15 You have to be engaged in your government in order to know

12:06:17 what's happening.

12:06:18 And I'm sorry, but you are at a higher level especially

12:06:22 because these issues have been coming before you for years.

12:06:24 This is nothing new, and it's nothing that just started.

12:06:29 I mean, I understand what you were saying, but you are

12:06:31 represented by folks.

12:06:33 You have -- you are smart business people.

12:06:36 You follow what's going on.

12:06:37 And I think that falls on deaf ears from my perspective.

12:06:42 Now, if we are going to move forward, I am going to ask Mr.

12:06:45 Reddick to read the ordinance, if that's going to come

12:06:48 forward, in we are done with discussion.

12:06:50 If not, Mrs. Montelione, you are next.




12:06:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I just want to offer a suggestion.

12:06:55 So for anybody listening, if there's a topic that is of

12:06:58 concern to you, you can go to our website, and you can set

12:07:02 an alert by key word.

12:07:04 And I know a lot of citizens who do that.

12:07:07 There's a subject that is of interest to them, they put

12:07:10 their e-mail address in there.

12:07:11 They put in the key word.

12:07:13 And anytime that something shows up on our agenda about that

12:07:16 subject, you will get an e-mail notifying you.

12:07:18 It's very simple to do.

12:07:21 And Mr. Suarez is right.

12:07:25 Everyone should be engaged in their government and I'm sorry

12:07:27 that more people are not.

12:07:28 But very grateful all of you came to hear us and share with

12:07:32 us this morning.

12:07:33 So maybe you will remain involved.

12:07:36 And again, Mrs. Capin and I will agree to disagree on the

12:07:40 other issue about outdoor amplified sounds.

12:07:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen.

12:07:47 >>HARRY COHEN: So I just want to answer the concern that I

12:07:50 think that Councilman Suarez and some of the others raised.

12:07:55 My only issue is if we are going to come back right away at

12:08:00 the end of September to address the decibel level, and we

12:08:04 are going to get it done quickly, there's no reason in the




12:08:07 world that we have to pass something that we know is bad, or

12:08:11 that we know we are going to change, when we can just as

12:08:14 easily remove that section of it and stay silent on the

12:08:19 issue until we make a decision.

12:08:21 That's all I am suggesting, that we vote on it next week

12:08:24 without that section, and then two weeks later take it up,

12:08:29 decide what we want to do, and pass it separately on a

12:08:33 separate vote.

12:08:33 To me, I think it's actually a more logical way of

12:08:40 proceeding.

12:08:42 But obviously whatever the wishes are of the council, that's

12:08:46 what we'll do.

12:08:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: In all my years of service, never have I

12:08:50 seen nobody know what's going on and everybody shows up.

12:08:54 To me it's puzzling.

12:08:56 I have been thinking about how does that happen?

12:08:57 And I would like to know because I want to be part of you.

12:09:02 So I think whoever is representing you did a pretty good job

12:09:05 or you wouldn't be here.

12:09:06 Somebody knew something.

12:09:07 That's number one.

12:09:08 Number two, this has been in effect as stated earlier since

12:09:12 1999.

12:09:13 I heard evidence on both sides.

12:09:16 I have heard evidence by counselor -- you don't want a




12:09:22 bubble over your place to say what the real noise is.

12:09:25 You would be deaf.

12:09:27 But car noise is one thing.

12:09:29 And they changed that.

12:09:30 They put a wall to measure your -- you aren't going to like

12:09:36 what you get.

12:09:36 It doesn't create a good working atmosphere.

12:09:40 We don't want you to leave.

12:09:41 We don't want the neighbors to be angry.

12:09:43 This has been in effect.

12:09:46 It's just something that's got to be worked on.

12:09:48 And I understand both sides.

12:09:50 But I understand the side that Mr. Cohen brought up.

12:09:55 I understand the side that Mr. Reddick brought up.

12:09:58 But this is already there.

12:09:59 I haven't seen too many people -- how many got ticketed on

12:10:02 noise?

12:10:08 Percentwise you did all right.

12:10:10 I'm very serious when I say that.

12:10:12 If I ask you how many rode a bus, raise your hand.

12:10:16 See what I'm saying?

12:10:18 And you want transportation.

12:10:20 Nobody rides a bus right now.

12:10:24 Except Mr. Suarez.

12:10:25 He's not the one that owns the bus line.




12:10:27 But what I am saying is, a small percentage of you got a

12:10:30 citation.

12:10:33 It's a work in process.

12:10:36 I agree with Mrs. Capin and Mr. Cohen to pass this thing and

12:10:40 I agree with Mr. Cohen to have a workshop to bring it

12:10:43 together and find out what the results should be, and

12:10:45 therefore the compromise is right in front of us right now,

12:10:48 pass it, look at it for a month or so, bring it back and see

12:10:51 what the results are.

12:10:52 We are going to have the same people here for the same

12:10:54 police report with the same city attorney to work it out.

12:10:57 That's what it's all about.

12:10:59 That's what democracy is about.

12:11:01 So I appreciate all of you showing up.

12:11:04 And I'm ready to vote, Mr. Chairman.

12:11:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'm ready to vote, too.

12:11:08 But just so it's clear, you have heard should this go

12:11:11 forward, and Councilman Reddick makes the motion, and if he

12:11:17 agrees to what Councilman Cohen suggested, you know the

12:11:20 dates.

12:11:21 And we will repeat them after the vote.

12:11:25 So you can be here.

12:11:26 Okay.

12:11:27 I'm ready to vote.

12:11:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Is there anyone else that would like to




12:11:30 speak?

12:11:31 Mr. Maniscalco, you have not spoken yet.

12:11:33 Do you want to speak at all?

12:11:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: No.

12:11:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, sir.

12:11:36 Mr. Reddick, would you Reich to read the ordinance for

12:11:39 second reading?

12:11:40 >>THE CLERK: You need to close the public hearing.

12:11:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

12:11:44 Motion to close the public hearing by Mrs. Montelione,

12:11:47 second by Mrs. Capin.

12:11:49 All in favor of that motion?

12:11:51 Opposed?

12:11:52 Mr. Reddick.

12:11:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me read this ordinance.

12:11:56 The substitute ordinance.

12:11:58 We can come back and do a workshop.

12:12:02 >>HARRY COHEN: You will do them separately then.

12:12:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.

12:12:06 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move a substitute ordinance for second

12:12:08 reading and adoption, an ordinance of the city of Tampa,

12:12:10 Florida relating to noise and making revisions to the City

12:12:12 of Tampa code of ordinances chapter 293 powers, noise,

12:12:19 amending section 14-293, powers of public Nuisance Abatement

12:12:23 Board relating to noise making revisions total City of Tampa




12:12:27 code of ordinances chapter 23.5 supplemental enforcement

12:12:31 procedures, amending section 23.5 schedule of violations and

12:12:35 penalties, relating to noise, making revisions to the City

12:12:38 of Tampa code of ordinances chapter 5, building code,

12:12:41 amending section 5-301.2, loud noise generated by

12:12:47 construction activity on private property necessary

12:12:50 residential uses relating to noise repealing all ordinances

12:12:52 or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for

12:12:56 severability, providing an effective date.

12:12:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick.

12:12:59 I have a second by Mrs. Capin.

12:13:00 Please record your vote.

12:13:02 Is it not working?

12:13:12 Let us do a roll call vote.

12:13:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Yes.

12:13:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.

12:13:21 >>YVONNE CAPIN: Yes.

12:13:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes.

12:13:24 >>HARRY COHEN: No.

12:13:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Yes.

12:13:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Yes.

12:13:29 >> Motion carried with Cohen voting no.

12:13:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

12:13:33 Mr. Reddick, I will entertain a motion to bring this

12:13:35 back during our workshop --




12:13:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: On September 22nd to address the decibel

12:13:41 level and any other discussion relating to adjusting it from

12:13:48 55 to higher.

12:13:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion from Mr. Reddick.

12:13:53 A second from Mr. Miranda.

12:13:54 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

12:13:58 Any opposed?

12:13:59 Thank you.

12:14:00 Thank you all for attending.

12:14:01 Yes, ma'am.

12:14:01 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Before everybody leaves, I just wanted

12:14:05 to point out one thing, that the ordinance doesn't contain

12:14:11 jail time for people who are in violation.

12:14:12 So I fought hard for that last time.

12:14:16 Thank you very much, council members, for supporting me and

12:14:18 taking out the jail time.

12:14:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Ladies and gentlemen, I think that we should

12:14:22 at this time break for lunch.

12:14:23 We'll come back at our agenda afterwards.

12:14:26 We will be at 1:30 if you could come back.

12:14:29 We are adjourned.

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01:35:27 [Sounding gavel]

01:35:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Tampa City Council is now called back into

01:35:30 order.

01:35:31 Roll call, please.

01:35:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Here.

01:35:37 >>HARRY COHEN: Here.

01:35:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Here.

01:35:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Here.

01:35:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Here.

01:35:43 We are going to skip around in our agenda right now.

01:35:46 We are going to go to item number 76, to talk to the Tampa

01:35:50 Sports Authority.

01:35:51 They have a time crunch that they need to meet.

01:35:53 And I want to make sure that our police officers, I think

01:35:58 chief Dugan is back there.

01:36:02 Where is everybody?

01:36:04 Mr. Hart from the Sports Authority.

01:36:06 I think he's here.

01:36:08 Come on up.

01:36:08 This is about the sunset music festival.

01:36:11 Thank you for being here.

01:36:12 >> Thank you very much.

01:36:19 Good morning.

01:36:21 Good afternoon.

01:36:22 Sorry.




01:36:26 Thanks for the opportunity to speak to you today.

01:36:28 I'm here to discuss the sunset music festival.

01:36:31 As you are aware, the festival experience, tragic death of

01:36:36 two adults attending this year, and it's a two-day event

01:36:39 that we hold at the stadium.

01:36:40 We started that event back in 2012 with 500 people, now

01:36:46 grown to be a national event, so 51,000 people who attend.

01:36:50 And we have had major artists such as scurlics, chain

01:36:58 smokers, have all been major acts at the event.

01:37:01 First and foremost, all Tampa venues, the authority works

01:37:06 closely with event organizers and local officials for the

01:37:09 safety of major events.

01:37:10 As with all of our major events, sunset music festival

01:37:14 undergoes the same rigorous plan.

01:37:16 The same team that plans super bowls and other major events

01:37:19 assists in the planning much each festival and major event

01:37:23 at Raymond James stadium.

01:37:24 Planning of each festival begins the first day after the

01:37:27 event.

01:37:28 And each year we change the plan and the operation of every

01:37:32 event based on the things that we learned from the event.

01:37:35 The authorities have been working with the promoter, local

01:37:38 law enforcement, safety agency to review the 2016 festival

01:37:42 operation.

01:37:43 The authority Board of Directors are scheduled to hold a




01:37:46 special meeting on September 12th where we will take

01:37:49 this matter up to determine the future of the festival at

01:37:52 the grounds.

01:37:53 While we continue to gather relevant information on sunset

01:37:57 and other festivals around the country, I can provide some

01:37:59 background and the improvements that have been made to this

01:38:02 festival to increase the safety.

01:38:07 The authority and local officials have instituted some best

01:38:13 practices.

01:38:14 We do an annual pre- and post meeting.

01:38:19 Tickets are for those 18 and over only.

01:38:26 We have fences to make sure people can't get in and out

01:38:28 related to age.

01:38:29 We provide free water stations.

01:38:33 Additionally, for three years at the festival they handed

01:38:38 out over 16,000 bottles of free water as part of this event.

01:38:42 We provide a 1300 square foot area for people to get out of

01:38:47 the sun and to cool themselves. This year we added canine

01:38:50 dogs to deal with detect illegal substances at the gate, and

01:38:58 provided for patrons to remove any contraband with no

01:39:01 questions asked.

01:39:02 We do mandatory pack searches and pat-downs.

01:39:05 The medical tents we provide are also air conditioned.

01:39:08 We do use social media and noise monitoring. This year, as

01:39:13 you probably know by now, we have had a significant number




01:39:16 of less noise complaints.

01:39:21 High winds and weather action plan and also try to protect

01:39:26 individuals during the festival.

01:39:30 Some items that came out of this festival is we did increase

01:39:33 sales this year by about 6%.

01:39:36 We are over 51,000 people.

01:39:39 And there's some things that we did add this year based on

01:39:41 what we predicted, which was we increased the accessible

01:39:45 footprint.

01:39:46 We made it more space so people weren't as crowded.

01:39:48 We added three medical transport vehicles for transporting

01:39:52 individuals that may need it.

01:39:54 Security was increased from 343 cars to 473 cars.

01:39:59 Police were increased from 186 to 190.

01:40:03 Our medical staff will increase from 53 EMTs to 272

01:40:08 EMTs.

01:40:09 We increased the shaded areas from 5500 square feet to

01:40:12 almost 7,000 square feet.

01:40:14 We also added shaded areas over each stage which is about

01:40:18 another 4,000 square feet of shading.

01:40:21 We increased the size of the size to 3200 square feet and

01:40:27 the water stations that we provided for free water

01:40:30 increased, we went from two locations to three and went from

01:40:34 16 to 24, and tripled the capacity of water that we could

01:40:39 provide for free.




01:40:42 With the growth that we saw in the festival, our medical

01:40:46 tent was increased this year.

01:40:47 We went from 51 in 2015 to 56 in 2016.

01:40:52 And based on the changes in the sound system, our noise

01:40:55 complaints went from over 56 last year to 10 this year.

01:41:00 So we have done a lot of things to continue to try to be a

01:41:04 better community partner.

01:41:08 If the Tampa Sports Authority board were to move forward on

01:41:11 this, there are some steps that have been we would be

01:41:12 putting in place that we are going to be asking the board to

01:41:15 consider at the September 12th meeting.

01:41:17 We would continue our best practices.

01:41:20 We would be recommending an enhanced command center,

01:41:26 improving public announcement capabilities.

01:41:27 We want to do a better educational outreach with the

01:41:30 patrons.

01:41:31 And we talked to some local groups who may assist us with

01:41:34 that.

01:41:35 Adding additional medical personnel.

01:41:38 Potentially adding atmospheric coolers.

01:41:42 We are not sure if they will actually work in the Florida

01:41:44 humidity.

01:41:45 But we are actually researching that.

01:41:48 New systems within the festival.

01:41:51 More water stations.




01:41:52 Additional cooling tents.

01:41:54 More shade.

01:41:55 Along with adding what we are calling an index guide so the

01:42:01 festival will have some guidelines based on the heat index

01:42:06 increases we will have steps and procedures to take to try

01:42:09 to help cool people down.

01:42:10 Additionally the promoter and authority staff has been

01:42:14 reviewing best practices around the country.

01:42:16 And while we follow the majority of these best practices, we

01:42:21 want to continue to incorporate new ones into the festival

01:42:24 if it continues.

01:42:26 Overall, our plan moving into the future, we would like to

01:42:30 work with our partners over in the Orlando area.

01:42:39 As we propose the final report we are going to continue to

01:42:41 work closely with the city administration, Tampa fire, Tampa

01:42:44 police, and try to develop a plan that we'll continue to

01:42:50 make the festival safer and safer every year.

01:42:52 Thank you for your time.

01:42:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions by council?

01:42:55 Mrs. Montelione.

01:42:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

01:42:57 Thanks for being here, Mr. Hart.

01:42:58 I had asked for you to come and talk to us about the steps

01:43:03 that are being taken and I had done some poking a round and

01:43:10 research on my own and you and I discussed some of the best




01:43:13 practices from other festivals across the country, and one

01:43:16 in particular in Canada that outlined what they have been

01:43:22 doing now these festivals for a long period of time with no

01:43:30 harmful effects.

01:43:36 So the Orlando folks that you are working with, I would

01:43:39 imagine that you have reached out to some of these other

01:43:42 jurisdictions to find out or concert venues to find out what

01:43:47 they are doing?

01:43:48 >> Yes.

01:43:48 We are reaching out, and that's part of what the discussions

01:43:51 are right now, trying to make a decision for exactly all the

01:43:56 steps that will be in place.

01:43:57 It's kind of hard because we are still sending out to the

01:43:59 events so we continue to look at those.

01:44:01 And I think you will find that best practices, depending

01:44:04 upon what part of the country you are in, could dictate

01:44:08 different best practices.

01:44:09 >> Sure, it's a little warmer here than in Canada.

01:44:12 >> Correct.

01:44:13 So ours will be a little different but we will take a look

01:44:15 at those steps and determine with our local law enforcement

01:44:18 and with the fire department and our security companies what

01:44:22 would be best to implement, and we'll continue to try to

01:44:25 improve.

01:44:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Something else that came up in my




01:44:28 research was something called the rave act.

01:44:31 >> The rave act?

01:44:33 >> That was passed by Congress when Vice President Biden was

01:44:37 a senator.

01:44:38 And there's a group in California who has been looking to --

01:44:46 they are not seeking to amend the rave act because it would

01:44:49 be too lengthy a process, but they are looking for the

01:44:51 Department of Justice to come out with a finding that

01:44:55 concert promoters would not be prosecuted under the rave

01:44:59 act, or distributing information about drug safety and

01:45:05 allowing groups like dance phase, stand up and dance, to

01:45:09 come in and assist.

01:45:13 Have you run into any issues with the rave act?

01:45:17 >> At this point, no, and that's been part of the

01:45:19 discussions.

01:45:20 I think part of the conversations that came up with the act

01:45:23 is I think if you read some of the articles, they say that

01:45:26 this is the best design because of the rave act.

01:45:32 I would tell you that since they operate a lot in a much

01:45:35 different mode, they are different from what those once

01:45:39 were.

01:45:40 We have not seen that, but that is part of the discussion, I

01:45:45 would describe to you that we want to work with the local

01:45:47 community on education, because we can try to stop as much

01:45:55 as we can, to try to address the problem at the gate, and




01:45:58 coming in the gate.

01:46:00 But we want to take a more proactive approach before they

01:46:03 get there, as they are arriving, and working with the

01:46:06 police, also on other tactics to try to deal with issues

01:46:11 before they become issues inside the festival.

01:46:14 Education is one of the key parts of that.

01:46:15 And it will include social -- we already do a significant

01:46:19 amount of social in advance.

01:46:21 I will tell you that that message will be a bit more of a

01:46:25 safety message and it will be about those items.

01:46:30 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think utilizing the volunteer groups

01:46:32 to go out and identify people who seem to be having issues

01:46:37 is a proactive step.

01:46:38 >> And we have that.

01:46:41 Woo we have ambassadors already and they have already

01:46:44 started talking about expanding the plan, and as a partner

01:46:47 with our local promoter that they have a large sponsor

01:46:50 program that works with.

01:46:51 That but using the local community in the manner that you

01:46:54 are explaining we think is a benefit.

01:46:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And whether or not illegal drugs are

01:47:00 involved with heat exhaustion.

01:47:04 Our planet is not getting any cooler.

01:47:07 It's getting hotter.

01:47:08 And we are feeling the effects here in Florida.




01:47:10 So having -- there's actually a guy who invented a system.

01:47:15 He's from New Tampa, that some of the theme parks are now

01:47:18 using, and they are portable units that people can go in and

01:47:24 they immediately lower their body temperature.

01:47:27 >> We have something like that.

01:47:29 So we have actually spoken with that individual concerning

01:47:31 those polar pause, I believe they are called.

01:47:36 The issue with you those is you can only cool 15 people for

01:47:40 six, seven minutes.

01:47:41 So the 3200 square foot tent that we talk about, that is an

01:47:47 open tent, it's actually a maze, so we walk people in, and

01:47:53 you actually walk through 62 to 65º tent.

01:47:57 By the time you come out about ten minutes later, and you

01:48:00 get the same effect.

01:48:01 So it does work.

01:48:03 We are at 3200 square feet now.

01:48:05 We could probably put 5 or 600 people through it in a short

01:48:10 amount of time.

01:48:12 We want to expand that or add a second one.

01:48:15 And the shade is important.

01:48:16 When we do the festival, during off times underneath all the

01:48:20 trees, we are blessed at Raymond James to have those big oak

01:48:25 trees.

01:48:25 Those benefit us considerably.

01:48:27 But the promoter last year actually added a significant




01:48:31 amount of shade structures on the actual stages.

01:48:34 So if you go by the festival grounds, you can actually see

01:48:38 those large stages.

01:48:39 Those were designed to cut the sun level.

01:48:42 >> And in reading some of the articles, although the free

01:48:46 water was available, they seemed to feel there wasn't enough

01:48:48 of it.

01:48:49 >> Correct.

01:48:50 With that number of people, and we are going to try to add

01:48:52 more locations.

01:48:53 But there were 24 spigots at this point, and the volume, we

01:48:59 tripled the volume.

01:49:01 We worked with the city and were actually able to install a

01:49:04 line and come right off the fire hydrant.

01:49:06 So it's a 3-inch line that's supplying all of those and we

01:49:11 pretty much keep it running.

01:49:12 We want to add additional.

01:49:14 >> It's about keeping people safe.

01:49:15 >> Correct.

01:49:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I just wanted to hear from TPD.

01:49:21 I notice there was talk of fire rescue as well.

01:49:28 I want to make sure that other areas of the city and other

01:49:34 citizens are not being shorted services because you are

01:49:40 redirecting your efforts somehow.

01:49:42 >> Good afternoon.




01:49:44 I'm major Lee Burkeline, chief DEGAN and Chief Ward.

01:49:53 So every officer working at this event is not taken away

01:49:56 from our standard deployment.

01:49:58 They are there on their days off.

01:50:00 >> great.

01:50:00 That's something different than what I read in the news.

01:50:03 All right.

01:50:04 Thank you for that clarification.

01:50:05 >> And I have so statistical data on the last year of the

01:50:11 event.

01:50:11 We had 39 arrests.

01:50:14 8 of them were misdemeanors and 25 were felony.

01:50:17 We had one ejection.

01:50:18 We had 16 marijuana citations which was new.

01:50:22 Previous years those would have been misdemeanor arrests.

01:50:26 And the attendance grew from 25 to 26,000 per day totaling

01:50:30 what Mr. Hart said about 51,000 for the two days of the

01:50:33 event.

01:50:34 And just like Mr. Hart said, we work really close with the

01:50:37 Sports Authority and the Tampa fire on all of those events.

01:50:42 At Raymond James stadium.

01:50:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions at this time?

01:50:48 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

01:50:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You want fire rescue?

01:50:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: They came.




01:50:54 They have been here so I think it's nice to hear them.

01:50:57 >> Tampa Fire Rescue representing Chief Ward.

01:51:06 Basically no statement, just answering any concerns you

01:51:08 have.

01:51:08 >> Well, it would be the same that I had for major Burkehart

01:51:16 about the services and whether it was manageable or if

01:51:19 there's more calls that require fire rescue, paramedic

01:51:27 personnel, and how the level of service, how that affects

01:51:31 level of service across the city.

01:51:33 >> Yes, ma'am.

01:51:33 We staff the event itself with extra duty individuals

01:51:36 working off-duty with the authority.

01:51:43 Most of the time during the daylight hours that takes care

01:51:47 of the calls that we have for service there.

01:51:50 This particular event did tax the city resources for

01:51:57 individual home services somewhat during the peak hours

01:52:03 during the latter part of the event in the evening.

01:52:05 We were able to manage that, though, by moving some units

01:52:08 around, and this year moving forward we are planning on a

01:52:15 higher level of that off-duty so we don't anticipate having

01:52:18 to do -- I use the term on-duty crews to support that

01:52:23 operation.

01:52:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That was going to be my question.

01:52:25 How are you going to compensate for it moving forward?

01:52:28 >> Yes, ma'am.




01:52:28 We presented a plan to the authority which they will present

01:52:31 to the promoter which is fairly reasonable in the number of

01:52:35 extra people of that we will have to hire.

01:52:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Great.

01:52:40 Thank you very much.

01:52:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions or comments by council

01:52:42 on this particular issue?

01:52:44 Okay.

01:52:45 Thank you, Mr. Hart and everyone else that appeared on item

01:52:48 number 76.

01:52:50 If I could, before we go forward, I want to direct you to

01:52:53 the second reads, 9:30 a.m. and then go back to our staff

01:52:57 reports.

01:52:57 But also before we start I would like to open up items 68

01:53:01 through 70.

01:53:02 >> So moved.

01:53:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by from Mr. Miranda, a

01:53:05 second by Mrs. Montelione.

01:53:07 All in favor of that?

01:53:09 Any opposed?

01:53:10 Clerk, if we could just remained everyone that wants to

01:53:13 speak on items 58 through 70, 58 through 70, if you are

01:53:16 going to speak, please stand up and be sworn in, please.

01:53:21 (Oath administered by Clerk)

01:53:35 Okay.




01:53:35 Number 58.

01:53:39 Ms. Feeley.

01:53:40 >> Legal department.

01:53:44 This is a second reading on a scrivener's error and an AB

01:53:49 that you passed earlier.

01:53:50 If you have any questions I'm available of the.

01:53:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

01:53:52 Any questions from council?

01:53:53 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on

01:53:56 item number 58 on the scrivener's error?

01:53:57 I see no one.

01:53:59 I have a motion to close by Mr. Miranda.

01:54:02 Second from Mr. Maniscalco.

01:54:04 All in favor of that motion?

01:54:06 Any opposed?

01:54:07 Mr. Maniscalco, will you kindly take number 58?

01:54:10 >> Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

01:54:12 I have an ordinance being presented for second reading and

01:54:14 adoption, an ordinance amending ordinance number 2016-101

01:54:18 passed and ordained by the City Council of the City of Tampa

01:54:21 on June 23, 2016 which approved a special use permit small

01:54:25 venue consumption on premises only for beer and wine for

01:54:29 property located at 1409est 7th Avenue correcting a

01:54:32 scrivener's error by substituting a revised site plan for

01:54:36 the previous site plan that was supplied in error providing




01:54:40 for severability, providing an effective date.

01:54:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Second.

01:54:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Please record your vote.

01:54:46 Keep your fingers crossed that it worked.

01:54:48 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin and Maniscalco --

01:55:01 Mr. Cohen absent at vote.

01:55:03 >> Okay.

01:55:05 Item number 59.

01:55:06 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.

01:55:12 Item number 59 is a rezoning that was before you back on

01:55:17 August 11th.

01:55:18 This is at 91 Davis.

01:55:21 You may recall that evening there were some neighbors here

01:55:26 concerned about the buffering to the adjacent uses, and Mr.

01:55:32 Grandoff got up and was making a modification to the fence

01:55:36 that was going to be a wall.

01:55:38 That modification was made along the south side of the

01:55:40 property.

01:55:42 After the hearing, I was contacted by one of the neighbors

01:55:46 that they wanted that wall to be on the east side as well,

01:55:52 the adjacent townhomes we discussed that evening.

01:55:54 The plans that were provided back to me and were able to be

01:55:57 certified were if ones that had the modification only on the

01:56:00 south.

01:56:03 Per discussion with Mr. Grandoff it is their intent to go




01:56:05 ahead and make the modification to the east side as well.

01:56:08 I could not certify that plan in your motion that evening.

01:56:13 However, I had the one certified.

01:56:15 I also have the new plans that have the east side corrected.

01:56:19 If it is your pleasure today, what you could do is return

01:56:23 this application to first reading and move it on first

01:56:26 reading with the motion that that east side would be

01:56:31 modified, and then it would come back before you for second

01:56:34 reading on September 15th.

01:56:37 I wanted to go ahead and explain that.

01:56:39 Mr. Grandoff is here as well.

01:56:42 So that being said, this would return the first reading if

01:56:44 that's the pleasure of council today.

01:56:45 >>HARRY COHEN: I was going to ask about that, and I would

01:56:51 certainly be inclined to go ahead and move it on first

01:56:54 reading.

01:56:56 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: Mr. Chairman, members of council, John

01:57:03 Grandoff, suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza on behalf of the

01:57:08 LLC and Marie culper is with me, my client.

01:57:15 And I ask that you read the ordinance this afternoon.

01:57:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: For first read?

01:57:20 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: Yes, sir.

01:57:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Just wanted to clarify.

01:57:23 Any questions from council at this time?

01:57:25 Anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number




01:57:27 59? 59?

01:57:28 Please come forward.

01:57:30 I see no one.

01:57:31 >> Move to close.

01:57:33 >> Second.

01:57:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mr. Cohen.

01:57:35 A second from Maniscalco.

01:57:37 All in favor of that motion?

01:57:39 Any opposed?

01:57:41 Ms. Montelione, would you like to take this on a first

01:57:45 reading basis with the stipulated changes from our staff and

01:57:48 agreed to by the petitioner?

01:57:50 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

01:57:50 >> I move an orphans for first reading, an ordinance

01:58:01 rezoning property in the general vicinity of 91 Davis

01:58:06 Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida and more

01:58:08 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district

01:58:10 classification RM-24 residential multifamily to planned

01:58:13 development residential multifamily providing an effective

01:58:16 date with the modification as agreed to by the applicant.

01:58:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second by Mr. Cohen.

01:58:22 All in favor of that motion?

01:58:23 Any opposed?

01:58:24 >>THE CLERK: Second reading and adoption will be held on

01:58:28 September 15th, 2015 at 9:30 a.m.




01:58:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

01:58:33 Item number 60.

01:58:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.

01:58:39 Item number 60 is also a second reading on a PD.

01:58:42 We were able to certify this application as well.

01:58:46 However, I was contacted by the applicant, that due to some

01:58:51 parameters of the deal associated with this property that

01:58:54 they would like to request a continuance of second reading

01:58:58 before you today.

01:58:59 And Mr. Mineer is here to discuss that.

01:59:05 >> Good afternoon.

01:59:07 I'll with the genesis group, 1000 Ashley suite 900 downtown

01:59:12 Tampa.

01:59:12 Yes, we respectfully request a continuance for a week.

01:59:15 We are working with your stormwater department on our

01:59:21 potential size of our vault.

01:59:24 We are in a red line district.

01:59:26 We have to meet rules much different than the particular

01:59:28 project and we are still trying to get our hands around how

01:59:31 big the development is going to be, how expensive it's going

01:59:34 to be.

01:59:35 So we respectfully request a continuance for a week to the

01:59:39 1st.

01:59:40 And we hope that we'll get it all resolved between now and

01:59:43 then.




01:59:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione?

01:59:48 Date and time.

01:59:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: To September 1st --

01:59:58 >>MIKE SUAREZ: This does not go back to first reading so it

02:00:00 will be at 9:30.

02:00:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: September 1st at 9:30 a.m.

02:00:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

02:00:05 I have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.

02:00:07 All in favor of that motion?

02:00:09 Any opposed?

02:00:12 Thank you.

02:00:17 >>ABBYE FEELEY: Land Development Coordination.

02:00:18 Item 61, 62, those may proceed to second reading.

02:00:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:00:27 Petitioner?

02:00:28 >> 607 west Bay Street on behalf of petitioner.

02:00:33 I have nothing further to add.

02:00:35 It's we request your approval.

02:00:38 >> Thank you.

02:00:39 Any questions from council?

02:00:40 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on

02:00:42 item 61?

02:00:43 61?

02:00:44 I see no one.

02:00:45 I need a motion to close.




02:00:47 I have a motion to close from Mr. Miranda, second from Mr.

02:00:51 Maniscalco.

02:00:51 All in favor of that motion?

02:00:53 Any opposed?

02:00:54 Mr. Miranda, will you kindly take number 61?

02:00:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [Off microphone.] move an ordinance

02:01:02 presented for second reading adoption, an ordinance rezoning

02:01:05 property in the general vicinity of 203, 205 east Dr. Martin

02:01:08 Luther King Jr. Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida more

02:01:11 particularly described in section 1 from zoning district

02:01:13 classifications RS-50 residential single-family to CI

02:01:17 commercial intensive providing an effective date.

02:01:19 >> Second.

02:01:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Miranda.

02:01:22 I have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.

02:01:24 Please record your vote.

02:01:25 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at

02:01:34 vote.

02:01:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:01:36 Item number 62.

02:01:37 >> Good afternoon.

02:01:42 My name is Allister.

02:01:46 I was previously before you on August 11th.

02:01:49 I don't really have anything more to add.

02:01:51 We respectfully ask you to adopt the ordinance in the form




02:01:54 provided.

02:01:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:01:55 Any questions from council?

02:01:57 Anyone in the public that would like to speak to item number

02:01:59 62?

02:02:00 62?

02:02:00 I see no one.

02:02:02 Motion to close from Mr. Cohen.

02:02:04 Second from Mr. Maniscalco.

02:02:06 All in favor?

02:02:07 Any opposed?

02:02:08 Mr. Reddick, will you kindly take number 62, sir?

02:02:12 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move and ordinance presented for second

02:02:15 reading and adoption.

02:02:16 An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of

02:02:20 7707, 7709, 7711 south O'Brien street in the city of Tampa,

02:02:25 Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from

02:02:29 zoning district classifications PD planned development

02:02:32 residential single-family to RS-50 residential

02:02:34 single-family, providing an effective date.

02:02:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mr. Reddick, a second

02:02:39 from Mr. Miranda.

02:02:41 Please record your vote.

02:02:42 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at

02:02:50 vote.




02:02:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:02:52 Item number 63.

02:02:53 >> Land Development Coordination.

02:02:59 My applicant was here but had to go, cannot return.

02:03:02 So therein were no objections to this request.

02:03:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council on this item?

02:03:11 Anyone in the public that would like to speak on item number

02:03:14 63? I see no one.

02:03:17 I have a motion to close from Mr. Cohen.

02:03:19 I have a second from Mr. Miranda.

02:03:20 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:03:22 Any opposed?

02:03:23 Mr. Cohen, will you kindly take number 63?

02:03:26 >>HARRY COHEN: Move an ordinance being presented for second

02:03:29 reading and adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing,

02:03:31 discontinuing, and abandoning a portion of alleyway lying

02:03:37 south of ocean view place, north of Hemlock street, west of

02:03:40 20th street, east of 22nd street in the vicinity of 1507

02:03:44 south 22nd street in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County

02:03:47 Florida the same being more fully described in section 1

02:03:50 hereof subject to certain easement reservations, covenants,

02:03:54 conditions and restrictions more particularly set forth

02:03:57 herein providing an effective date.

02:03:57 >> Second.

02:03:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mr. Cohen.




02:04:00 A second from Mr. Miranda.

02:04:02 Please record your vote.

02:04:06 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Capin being absent at

02:04:11 vote.

02:04:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:04:14 >> I'm here for the next one, too, item 64.

02:04:18 The applicant is not here.

02:04:19 He was here this morning again and couldn't stay.

02:04:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

02:04:23 Any questions from council?

02:04:24 Anyone in the public like to speak on item number 64?

02:04:27 64?

02:04:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Move to have close.

02:04:29 >> Motion to close by Mr. Miranda.

02:04:31 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

02:04:32 All in favor of that motion?

02:04:34 Any opposed?

02:04:36 Mr. Maniscalco, if you would take item number 64.

02:04:40 Than.

02:04:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: An ordinance for second reading and

02:04:43 adoption, an ordinance vacating, closing, discontinuing, and

02:04:47 abandoning alleyway lying north of Braddock street south of

02:04:51 Douglas street, east of MacDill and west of Gomez Avenue

02:04:55 in the John drew's subdivision on northwest Tampa, a

02:05:00 subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough County the




02:05:03 same being more fully described in section 1 hereof subject

02:05:06 to certain easement reservations covenants PD conditions and

02:05:10 restrictions more particularly set forth herein providing an

02:05:12 effective date.

02:05:13 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

02:05:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Please record your vote.

02:05:18 >> Motion carried with Capin being absent at vote.

02:05:22 >> Item number 65.

02:05:31 >>SAL TERRITO: We are here for the first of three hearings

02:05:33 held on special assessment. This is for historic

02:05:36 preservation.

02:05:36 And there are people in the audience from here, if they have

02:05:41 any questions, if I can get that out correctly.

02:05:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: This is the downtown Ybor City.

02:05:45 >>SAL TERRITO: The downtown Ybor City streetcar.

02:05:50 I understand there are some concerns on notices.

02:05:52 We will take care of that.

02:05:53 They did go out.

02:05:55 I'll give copies to the clerk from the files.

02:05:57 And this one again, if you approve this one, rezoning in a

02:06:04 public hearing.

02:06:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.

02:06:09 >> Good evening.

02:06:11 Almost evening, Mr. Chairman.

02:06:15 (Laughter)




02:06:17 Mr. Jacob is with me.

02:06:19 And we are officers of streetcar, INC.

02:06:26 We are very pleased we are going to do a study.

02:06:31 It won't belabor all of this except to say we would like

02:06:34 your support to continue the special assessment district for

02:06:37 another year.

02:06:37 >> And thank you again.

02:06:40 We appreciate your consideration.

02:06:41 One of the most exciting things we are doing with the

02:06:44 streetcar is starting on September 26th we will be

02:06:46 expanding the hours of the streetcar through March starting

02:06:49 at 7 a.m. through the regular special hours which it wasn't

02:06:56 spent last year, and look at how we can make this a more

02:07:00 viable transportation option for people that live along the

02:07:03 Channel District, Ybor City and downtown.

02:07:05 So we are really excited with this outcome and can't wait to

02:07:08 get it going.

02:07:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:07:10 Any questions or comments?

02:07:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move the resolution.

02:07:14 >> Second.

02:07:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion from Mr. Miranda.

02:07:17 Second -- and I will ask for the public in a motion.

02:07:23 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on

02:07:25 item number 65?




02:07:26 65?

02:07:27 I see no one.

02:07:28 We do have a motion on the floor.

02:07:29 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:07:33 Any opposed?

02:07:34 >> Motion to close the public hearing.

02:07:41 >> Second.

02:07:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Second by Mr. Miranda.

02:07:44 All in favor?

02:07:45 Any opposed?

02:07:45 >>SAL TERRITO: Sal Territo again.

02:07:52 There are people from the I don't if you have any questions.

02:07:54 Once again I remind you, you have two resolutions here.

02:07:57 The only one that has to be passed in the public hearing is

02:08:00 the first one.

02:08:01 The second one is the contract which is not necessary.

02:08:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you, Mr. Territo.

02:08:07 >> Good afternoon.

02:08:12 Christine Burdick, downtown partnership.

02:08:16 I am here also representing the leadership of Richard Davis,

02:08:23 our chairman and since the district was formed, 22 or 23

02:08:31 years ago.

02:08:33 He has been our adviser, and he has really kept up and made

02:08:40 the fee work for us as well as you.

02:08:44 I am here to seek your support and your approval for the




02:08:51 adoption of the assessment roles for the provision of the

02:08:56 services, and the agreement of services that we do annually.

02:09:04 We had an opportunity to offer two different community

02:09:07 meetings, one in the afternoon, one in the morning, for

02:09:09 people who are included in the assessed and to answer their

02:09:15 questions and get their advice.

02:09:16 We had a few attendees.

02:09:18 We met the owner of some properties that might be interested

02:09:21 in developing it in the Channel District.

02:09:25 So all in all it was a successful venture.

02:09:27 So I am beseeching ugh for your support again for the 22nd

02:09:31 or 23rd time in order to have downtown management.

02:09:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: And I'm not sure I will be beseeched but I

02:09:38 will be glad to see if anyone else has any questions on

02:09:40 this.

02:09:40 Any questions at all of Mrs. Burdick?

02:09:43 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on

02:09:45 item number 6.

02:09:46 >> please come forward.

02:09:48 All right.

02:09:48 I see no one.

02:09:49 >> Move the resolution.

02:09:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to move the resolution from Mr.

02:09:54 Cohen, second by Mr. Maniscalco.

02:09:56 All in favor?




02:09:57 Any opposed?

02:09:58 If I can get a motion to close.

02:10:00 >> So moved.

02:10:01 >> Second.

02:10:01 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.

02:10:03 Second from Mr. Reddick.

02:10:04 All in favor of that motion to close the public hearing?

02:10:08 Any opposed?

02:10:09 Thank you.

02:10:09 >> Next up is the contract to use the money that we just

02:10:19 allowed to go forward.

02:10:20 One anyone like to move that resolution?

02:10:22 I have a motion from Mr. Maniscalco, second from Mr. Cohen.

02:10:25 All in favor of moving item number 67 please indicate by

02:10:28 saying aye.

02:10:29 Any opposed?

02:10:31 Okay.

02:10:35 Mr. Chairman we are going to look at item 77, 78, 79.

02:10:41 I apologize.

02:10:42 I was going to go -- all right.

02:10:49 Sorry.

02:10:50 I apologize.

02:10:55 Item number 67.

02:10:56 >>SAL TERRITO: Tampa Westshore assessment.

02:11:03 There are two that have to be approved in the public hearing




02:11:06 and the service agreement does not.

02:11:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.

02:11:09 Thank you, sir.

02:11:09 >> Chris Weber, Westshore Alliance, on behalf of our

02:11:16 president.

02:11:17 I know you all are familiar with the special assessment.

02:11:19 So in the interest of time, I will take any questions you

02:11:25 have.

02:11:25 I appreciate your support.

02:11:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council on this item?

02:11:29 Is there anyone in the public that would like to speak on

02:11:31 item number 67?

02:11:32 67?

02:11:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Move the resolution.

02:11:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to move the resolution by Mr.

02:11:37 Miranda.

02:11:37 Second from Mr. Cohen.

02:11:38 All in favor?

02:11:39 Any opposed?

02:11:40 >> Move to close the public hearing.

02:11:43 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to close from Mr. Cohen.

02:11:45 Second from Mr. Miranda.

02:11:46 All in favor of that motion?

02:11:49 Okay.

02:11:49 >> Move the resolution on the ad valorem.




02:11:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: A and a second from Mr. Miranda.

02:11:58 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

02:12:00 Any opposed

02:12:01 Thank you.

02:12:02 Back to what I was saying before.

02:12:04 Let's move on to item number 77 if the chief could come

02:12:16 forward, please.

02:12:16 We have a lot of chiefs and no Indians coming up.

02:12:19 >> Good afternoon, council.

02:12:24 Eric Ward, chief of police, City of Tampa police department.

02:12:36 To give you an update on issues to maintain our citations

02:12:44 issued both in bike and vehicle stops.

02:12:47 If you look at the map in front of you now, we have passed

02:12:52 May, June, and July, and the way we are trending as far as

02:12:55 our enforcement efforts, bike stops for those two months,

02:13:01 beginning with July, which you can see a significant

02:13:04 decrease.

02:13:17 Also you can see the decrease over the months issued for

02:13:22 May, June and July compared to 2015, same time period.

02:13:41 You can see for the last three months, May, June, July, a

02:13:46 number of significant decrease, down 41% for July.

02:13:55 There's a graph indicating the bike stops from the time we

02:14:06 started putting our code enforcement.

02:14:12 Same graph with the total bike citations.

02:14:29 The question about the number of arrests, bike stops, you




02:14:55 can see those are also going down.

02:15:08 This is a graph indicated by quarters when we first started,

02:15:17 the number of bike stops.

02:15:23 Any questions?

02:15:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council to Chief Ward on

02:15:42 this issue?

02:15:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: I have a question.

02:15:44 So based on your report, you are saying that the number of

02:15:51 tickets that have been issued are currently down.

02:15:57 CHIEF ERIC WARD: Yes.

02:16:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: And that's the same with the number of

02:16:03 arrests made courage currently down.

02:16:05 >> Yes.

02:16:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: What brought about that downturn?

02:16:09 >> Well, taking a more strategic approach.

02:16:12 We tried to focus more on our education piece versus

02:16:15 citation.

02:16:18 Having the officers understand my mission and the goals that

02:16:22 we try to achieve was the key to the members, the trend you

02:16:26 are having.

02:16:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Reddick, anything else are?

02:16:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: No.

02:16:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Chief, I have a couple of questions.

02:16:36 One, it looked like the total citations have gone down.

02:16:41 It does look like you are still doing pretty good police




02:16:44 work because I was looking at the number of firearms that

02:16:47 were gathered by virtue of the stops, and they were about

02:16:51 the same from quarter to quarter meaning even though you

02:16:54 reduced the number of warnings and citations, you still are

02:16:57 getting the same number of firearms, which goes to show that

02:17:01 you are probably doing a better job of police work on the

02:17:05 ground, from the ground as opposed to just having an

02:17:10 artificial number of citations issued and hoping that you

02:17:14 would capture some of those firearms.

02:17:18 Is that a fair assessment?

02:17:20 >> I think a lot of it has to do with the community getting

02:17:23 involved.

02:17:23 We asked the public to assist us in our efforts.

02:17:26 And we received numerous calls about individuals that the

02:17:30 community knows are carrying firearms on the street and we

02:17:35 received those calls and we put those officers out looking

02:17:38 for those individuals specifically that are carrying

02:17:41 firearms.

02:17:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you feel like because of the number of

02:17:44 citations and warnings that have been issued have gone down,

02:17:48 relatively, because I think you had a little spike up on one

02:17:52 or two of the months during that one quarter basis, the

02:17:55 summer basis, do you think that it has inhibited you as a

02:17:59 police force to have that reduced?

02:18:01 Or do you think that you are just doing a much better job of




02:18:04 actually, as you mentioned, getting help from the community

02:18:08 to really do the police work that's necessary?

02:18:10 >> Well, I think it's a combination of things.

02:18:12 I think the educational piece.

02:18:14 I think City Council putting the word out on the street that

02:18:18 people need to obey traffic laws.

02:18:21 I think when we combine the two along with the public

02:18:24 assistance, that's why we see the reduction.

02:18:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.

02:18:28 Do you think that trend is going to continue to go down?

02:18:31 CHIEF ERIC WARD: I hope so.

02:18:32 >>MIKE SUAREZ: You hope so. Terrific. Thank you, chief.

02:18:35 Anything else from council?

02:18:37 Chief, thank you so much.

02:18:38 I think we are still going to do a couple other things.

02:18:40 We are on to be item number 78 now.

02:18:44 Concerning I think this is the body cameras.

02:18:48 >>CHIEF ERIC WARD: Yes, sir.

02:18:51 >> Major Mike Boumeister.

02:18:58 >> You look a little different.

02:19:00 >> He has the information on the body cams.

02:19:03 >> My pleasure to be here.

02:19:05 I'm Major Mike Boumeister.

02:19:14 We did a request for information and then we did a request

02:19:17 for purchase.




02:19:18 The purchase came back.

02:19:21 We were able to buy them for 750 cameras.

02:19:25 We chose to do a study with USF and only purchased 50.

02:19:29 I am trying to take it slow with the study being conducted

02:19:31 from April to April pretty much.

02:19:35 We probably got the study back.

02:19:38 The results are pretty much as predicted.

02:19:43 There were 60 officers which was spread throughout the city.

02:19:47 What they did is they looked at a response to resistance

02:19:52 data with the same officers and then looked at the year that

02:19:55 they had the cameras on them.

02:19:56 They also did a control group of 50 officers that didn't

02:19:59 have cameras on them and they did the same study, the year

02:20:02 before and the year after.

02:20:03 The officers that had cameras on them, it showed an 8.4%

02:20:07 reduction in response to resistance, physical force.

02:20:13 Contrary to when they didn't have cameras on, I believe it

02:20:18 was 3.47% compared.

02:20:24 So the result of the study came back.

02:20:27 We analyze it a little bit.

02:20:30 One thing we did note in the study that cameras are not the

02:20:32 end-all.

02:20:33 We have also engaged no lot of training with our officers.

02:20:38 We try to be transparent.

02:20:41 But it's not just the cam ration that make us transparent.




02:20:43 How we act, and we put a lot of effort into training our

02:20:47 officers, more community policing efforts, and also the

02:20:50 cameras.

02:20:51 That's the result of the study.

02:20:52 If you have any questions I'll try to answer them for you.

02:20:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions?

02:20:56 Mr. Reddick.

02:20:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me see if I heard this right.

02:21:01 You stated the one without the cameras, the numbers are

02:21:08 higher than the ones who wore the cameras.

02:21:12 Is that correct?

02:21:12 >> The data, the 50 officers the data showed their use of

02:21:17 force in the encounter were up 3.4% compared to the year

02:21:21 before.

02:21:21 >> Did they explain why?

02:21:23 >> No, the study didn't really go into that.

02:21:25 There's a lot of theories.

02:21:28 If you ask my opinion, I believe officers' behavior was

02:21:33 improved.

02:21:33 But I believe also community behavior on the ones that wore

02:21:36 the camera because obviously they are filmed.

02:21:38 With everything going on, I think tensions are a little bit

02:21:41 higher and I think that might be adverse the ones without

02:21:45 the cameras might have increased slightly.

02:21:47 The officers didn't do anything different.




02:21:50 It just increased 3.4% a year later.

02:21:56 Even though we only studied 60 officers both with and

02:22:00 without the cameras, when they looked at the department's

02:22:03 use of force of response, overall the department was down,

02:22:09 response to resisting.

02:22:11 When you look at only 60, they also handle the whole

02:22:15 department.

02:22:15 So we are down also.

02:22:16 When you analyze the whole department.

02:22:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: And are you planning on expanding from 350

02:22:29 to more cameras?

02:22:30 >> Right now we have -- it's a $900,000 grant.

02:22:38 It's a matching grant.

02:22:39 600 that you from the grant.

02:22:41 300,000 from the city.

02:22:43 So hopefully we'll find out something soon.

02:22:54 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask this question and tell me the

02:22:56 protocol for this.

02:23:00 Those who were wearing the cameras, and if an incident takes

02:23:06 place, what is the process for the public?

02:23:12 >> It's just like anybody else, if they want to do a public

02:23:15 records request they go to the police department, do a

02:23:17 public records request.

02:23:18 The more narrow they can make the request the easier it is

02:23:22 to find.




02:23:22 Then they go through the legal office and they'll locate and

02:23:28 do a report or whatever.

02:23:29 >> Is there a cost?

02:23:31 >> There is a cost depending upon the research and the time

02:23:33 it takes to produce what they are asking for.

02:23:36 Like I said, the more they narrow it down, it tends not to

02:23:40 be excessive but if it's like a blind search and takes hours

02:23:44 it can be get costly so it depends on what they are asking

02:23:47 for.

02:23:47 >> Be what is the time frame for deleting the camera, the

02:23:50 film? What is the time frame for the deletion of those

02:23:54 particular cameras?

02:23:55 >> It all depends on the type of video that was recorded.

02:23:59 Every video stays a minimum of 90 days, then we delete it

02:24:05 after 30 days so we don't keep all that video.

02:24:08 But if it's like a felony, misdemeanor, it all depends on

02:24:11 the evidentiary value and how long it will take to get

02:24:14 through the court system.

02:24:15 For something like a homicide, we keep that pretty much

02:24:18 forever until it's not needed anymore.

02:24:20 But at the level of the crime, severity, the retention goes

02:24:27 lower.

02:24:27 >> So the final question.

02:24:31 If you keep it for 30 days and someone from the public put

02:24:36 in a public records request to obtain Tampa image of those




02:24:40 cameras, do you delay destroying the camera, the film for

02:24:47 the cameras, or the image of the cameras, if someone put in

02:24:51 a public records request?

02:24:53 More than 30 days?

02:24:55 >> Maybe it wasn't explained well enough.

02:24:58 All videos get kept in the storage system for a minimum of

02:25:02 90 days.

02:25:03 All video.

02:25:06 If it's deemed of not evidently value then it's created.

02:25:09 So it's based on cost.

02:25:10 So after a minimum of 90 days, then possibly it's going to

02:25:17 get deleted if it's not of evidentiary value.

02:25:20 >> Keep running the cameras.

02:25:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions?

02:25:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: When do you think we'll have the funding

02:25:35 to expand the program?

02:25:41 I finished combing through the budget as proposed by the

02:25:45 mayor.

02:25:47 Is there additional funding anticipated?

02:25:50 >> We applied for that grant, a $20 that you grant and we

02:25:54 have to match 50%.

02:25:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

02:25:57 But that's a grant.

02:25:58 I mean, what's the total dollar amount? Why wouldn't we

02:26:02 just go ahead and because it's a good public policy, and go




02:26:05 ahead and purchase these cameras?

02:26:09 >> At the time we presented the budget we didn't have the

02:26:11 report back yet.

02:26:12 So now that we have the report back, we can plan,

02:26:16 anticipating the purchase of these cameras.

02:26:20 The first installment to equip the guys in patrol with those

02:26:24 cameras.

02:26:25 I believe it's $750,000.

02:26:29 And it's a recurring fee just for storage alone of about

02:26:34 550,000 a year, depending on how much data we store.

02:26:41 It can increase or decrease based on the deletion of the

02:26:43 video.

02:26:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sure.

02:26:47 So it's 750 to purchase the cameras, to outfit every police

02:26:51 officer?

02:26:52 >> The majority.

02:26:53 Everyone in patrol.

02:26:54 Everyone in patrol.

02:26:57 I mean, you wouldn't put them on Tampa vice squad or

02:27:01 something like that.

02:27:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You don't want the undercover guys

02:27:06 wearing a camera.

02:27:08 And 550.

02:27:11 Again, although we haven't even heard the budget yet at a

02:27:16 public hearing, we could ask for an adjustment in the budget




02:27:23 to find that 750,000 and go ahead and purchase the cameras.

02:27:30 Would the grant cover that you are applying for, it -- we

02:27:35 have to match it 50%?

02:27:41 Does that cover the 550,000 operating or is that just for

02:27:44 the purchase of the cameras?

02:27:47 >> Cameras and storage for that first year.

02:27:49 And then also additional manpower that we will have to have

02:27:53 when you expand the program.

02:27:55 You need individuals to handle the public records report as

02:27:59 well as administrator assistant to make sure that --

02:28:02 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And that's included in the grant as

02:28:04 well?

02:28:05 >> That's part of that fee.

02:28:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Oh, it's part of the 550.

02:28:08 >> No, the -- we'll get 600,000 finance we get the grant

02:28:15 plus 300 that you match and that should cover the first year

02:28:18 of operation, which is equipment, storage, and two

02:28:24 additional bodies.

02:28:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And again, when do you think we'll hear

02:28:29 back on the grant?

02:28:32 >> Whenever DOJ -- I don't know.

02:28:35 I have no idea.

02:28:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Usually, a grant, there is a date you

02:28:40 have to file by.

02:28:41 >> Right.




02:28:43 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And then there is a time that they tell

02:28:45 you when they are going to announce --

02:28:48 >> No.

02:28:49 We have tried and they won't give us a date when they

02:28:51 announce.

02:28:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If any of my colleagues know if they

02:28:55 agree with me to try and put this in the budget outright.

02:28:59 I mean, if we are saving lives, telephone we are keeping

02:29:02 people out of jail and keeping our police officers safe, I

02:29:06 don't want to wait on a grant of that we don't know when it

02:29:11 may come to us or not.

02:29:12 I mean, I would want to implement something this important

02:29:18 as soon as possible.

02:29:18 >> That's up to council.

02:29:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, no actually the mayor.

02:29:28 We could make suggestions to the budget for whether or not

02:29:32 it actually appears in the budget.

02:29:38 As budgets go for the most part, the budget as presented is

02:29:42 pretty similar, if not identical, to the budget that is

02:29:44 passed.

02:29:47 So if there was going to be a large change we could ask for

02:29:50 it and see if we get cooperation.

02:29:57 I would be in favor of doing that.

02:30:00 Adjustment for the record.

02:30:01 >> An additional piece.




02:30:03 If we were to get that additional funds to equip all the

02:30:07 patrol officers with cameras, it's not an immediate process.

02:30:12 There has to be training.

02:30:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Sure.

02:30:14 CHIEF ERIC WARD: We have to get the go employees in place

02:30:17 to handle all the administrative, the public records

02:30:19 request.

02:30:19 It's not an immediate fix.

02:30:21 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

02:30:22 Understood.

02:30:23 But I'm just saying if we don't have to wait for the grant,

02:30:26 we could get started that much sooner.

02:30:29 Thank you.

02:30:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions or concerns?

02:30:35 I have just one quick thing and this is a technical

02:30:37 question.

02:30:38 As part of the study, what was the standard operating

02:30:42 procedure for turning on and off the camera?

02:30:44 Because I know that was a discussion we talked about a while

02:30:47 back when we first got the cameras.

02:30:49 And I know that you all were working and Chief Castor may

02:30:52 have still been chief at that time but we were talking about

02:30:57 when do we turn on the cameras and when can we turn them off

02:31:00 because that would have an effect also.

02:31:02 >> In any standard operating procedure, there are certain in




02:31:09 there, and traffic stops, pursuits, whether it be vehicle or

02:31:13 foot, potential confrontational, response to resisting

02:31:19 situations, suspicious calls, that you are going to

02:31:26 interview with Miranda, building checks, and just a

02:31:29 catch-all, if the officer feels -- go for the shall.

02:31:37 The other parts ever a lot of officer discretion in there.

02:31:40 We have to put a little caveat.

02:31:41 If something is happening immediate, and they have to handle

02:31:45 whatever they have to handle.

02:31:46 And then as soon as they comfortably can turn them on, turn

02:31:50 them on.

02:31:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Let's say, for example, someone had an issue

02:31:57 where they had some kind of resistance issue, or fight

02:32:01 between themselves and an alleged criminal and the camera

02:32:04 was not turned on.

02:32:06 Did you all cross-reference when you can turn on the camera

02:32:09 but yet you still had a report indicating the type of thing?

02:32:12 Was that also part -- I guess my question is, what was the

02:32:20 number of those, either a percentage basis or total basis,

02:32:23 if you only have one or two, I totally understand it's not

02:32:26 in the report, and a lot of the report as you know is really

02:32:28 going back to graduate school.

02:32:30 I mean, it's not in plain English, it's talked about like a

02:32:41 social scientist one talk about.

02:32:43 >> That really wasn't a focus of the study so it's not in




02:32:45 the study.

02:32:46 We haven't really looked --

02:32:48 >> Hasn't been part of that.

02:32:49 >> It's probably a low number.

02:32:51 They are required to document if they are required to turn

02:32:54 on the camera why it's not in the report and --

02:32:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I would suggest going back and looking at

02:33:01 fountain they did not already look at it or doing some

02:33:03 research on your own to make sure it didn't skew the numbers

02:33:06 at all.

02:33:06 Because if you turn off the camera during some kind of

02:33:10 resistance issue, you know, county skew what those numbers

02:33:13 are, because you don't actually know what happened, and it

02:33:17 doesn't matter what the patrol group is doing, it's going to

02:33:20 off-balance the report a little bit.

02:33:22 I think you know what I am talking about.

02:33:24 So if it's a large number it makes a difference.

02:33:26 If it's a small number it's not going to make a difference.

02:33:29 My guess is they probably would report that.

02:33:32 But still I would check into that because we want to make

02:33:35 sure they are accurate numbers.

02:33:36 >> I'll check with the professor.

02:33:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's great.

02:33:39 Thank you so much.

02:33:40 Any other questions by council on this item?




02:33:42 Thank you all.

02:33:44 Next up, we still have something with -- I think we have

02:33:47 with police which is City Liquors.

02:33:52 Not City Slickers.

02:33:55 City Liquors.

02:33:55 >> Good afternoon. Talking about City Liquors.

02:34:21 He's quite familiar with this establishment and the prior

02:34:23 name as well.

02:34:25 Interstate Lounge.

02:34:27 I'm also very familiar with the owner, Mr. Frank Larson.

02:34:30 And we have a very proactive working relationship with him.

02:34:35 As a matter of fact, I would say it's probably the most

02:34:37 proactive relationship I have with any nightclub

02:34:40 establishment or bar in district 2.

02:34:42 So I reviewed some of the facts.

02:34:44 And I have a chart to highlight for you.

02:34:50 This is a comparison of calls for service between year to

02:34:53 date 2015 and year to date 2016.

02:34:56 The total green would be the total cost for service.

02:34:59 And then the breakdown.

02:35:00 Blue would be self-initiated where we put ourselves out on

02:35:04 it and red would be dispatched.

02:35:06 You can see the increase in the self-initiated.

02:35:09 And the reason for that is we have a bar check program that

02:35:12 we have been doing for quite some time but we have recently




02:35:15 changed 2 way that we log those bar checks which is logged

02:35:23 in.

02:35:24 Therefore that's a self-initiated call which it wasn't

02:35:26 before.

02:35:27 So the majority of the increases in self-initiated are for

02:35:32 proactive bar check.

02:35:36 So myself and actually MPO Donnie Miller as well as Frank

02:35:42 Dawson, and he's made a lot of improvements over the years,

02:35:45 and in particular homicides that we have recently really had

02:35:49 nothing to do with this club.

02:35:53 She was out in the parking lot at the time.

02:35:55 Just her and another person out there.

02:35:57 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

02:36:06 So I was recently with a gentleman who was retired from the

02:36:12 police department, and I mentioned that I had asked for a

02:36:19 report, and I said, I couldn't remember the name of the club

02:36:22 at the time, and they said it's on Nebraska, and he knew

02:36:25 exactly which club I was talking about and he's been retired

02:36:28 for 20 years or so.

02:36:30 So this establishment had apparently a very long history.

02:36:37 And you know from being in district 2 for so long.

02:36:43 How is it that whether the call was self-initiated because

02:36:47 of how you are reporting, but how is a establishment that

02:36:55 had such a reputation for so many years still continue to

02:37:00 operate and not be a scourge on the community?




02:37:05 >> When we receive calls whether it be dispatch or

02:37:21 self-initiated, with you can see how they rank with majority

02:37:25 of clubs in South Tampa.

02:37:26 The owner as well.

02:37:28 When it changed names.

02:37:31 That's what everybody recognizes it as.

02:37:34 City liquors, he's made a ton of improvements.

02:37:37 As a matter of fact the issue that we had several years ago

02:37:39 because the shut Tampa entire club down and revamped the

02:37:43 club, changed it to credit card ID readers, added security

02:37:47 camera enhancements, and our recommendations as well.

02:37:58 >> And Chief Ward, can you leave that up there?

02:38:03 Or let council look at it because I want to see those

02:38:07 numbers again.

02:38:08 Thank you.

02:38:09 So you rank here number 9.

02:38:21 And this is just from --

02:38:29 >> The numbers are off by one if you look at the top, where

02:38:33 one starts.

02:38:35 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, I'm looking at the number

02:38:37 dispatched, 106.

02:38:41 Total 327.

02:38:43 Reports 46.

02:38:44 So roughly, if there's 106 dispatched calls and 46 reports,

02:38:48 it's about half the time an officer goes out to some kind of




02:38:53 report.

02:38:54 >> Yes.

02:38:54 >> And a lot of it is dispatch calls from him or being

02:38:59 proactive in nature if there's a dispute or a situation

02:39:01 that's happening.

02:39:02 They are calling us out to have them trespassed before

02:39:05 something happens.

02:39:05 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Well, that's good, I guess.

02:39:12 Getting a nod from DONNY over here.

02:39:16 But it's very disconcerting because, you know, at a time

02:39:21 when we are trying to, you know, keep our citizens safe from

02:39:26 so many things, it seems like we need to keep them safe from

02:39:29 going there.

02:39:29 >> I would agree that with every location and we have a good

02:39:43 handle and good working relationship.

02:39:45 And we have made a lot of improvements.

02:39:47 The last case was a tragic incident that happened that

02:39:51 really didn't have any correlation to the actual bar itself

02:39:55 or the security of the bar.

02:39:56 >>LISA MONTELIONE: One of the things that the gentleman,

02:40:00 retired officer, was telling me is that prosecution and drug

02:40:06 dealing was very common.

02:40:09 >> We even had him add lighting around the corner to the

02:40:16 north side of the bar.

02:40:17 That was an area that was ramped up for that activity.




02:40:22 And cameras in that area.

02:40:23 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

02:40:27 Well, I guess we'll just continue to keep an eye on it.

02:40:30 But thank you for working with the owner and getting all

02:40:34 those improvements.

02:40:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions from council?

02:40:48 On this item?

02:40:49 Okay.

02:40:51 Chief, thank you very much.

02:40:53 Appreciate it.

02:40:55 We jump back to item number 68 which goes in conjunction

02:40:59 with number 5.

02:41:02 Mr. Shelby, number 5 just needs to be moved as a resolution,

02:41:06 correct?

02:41:06 And then number 68 is the public hearing, am I correct?

02:41:21 Why don't we do the public hearing portion of that?

02:41:24 Is there number on number 68, staff, anybody on staff want

02:41:28 to talk about that? I was going to ask if anyone would like

02:41:31 to speak to item number 68, a change in our parking code of

02:41:35 ordinances concerning how we collect certain fines.

02:41:38 Is there anyone here that would like to speak on item number

02:41:41 68?

02:41:41 68?

02:41:42 I see no one.

02:41:44 Can I close that?




02:41:47 I have a motion to close from Mr. Cohen.

02:41:49 A second from Mr. Maniscalco.

02:41:51 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

02:41:54 Any opposed?

02:41:56 Mr. Maniscalco, if you could take number item 68.

02:42:01 And I guess do we need to move this first or do we move the

02:42:05 ordinance first?

02:42:06 Either way.

02:42:06 Why don't you go ahead and read the ordinance, number 5.

02:42:09 Then move number 68.

02:42:10 >> I have an ordinance being presented for first reading

02:42:13 consideration, an ordinance for the city of Tampa, Florida

02:42:15 relating to penalties for parking violations making

02:42:17 revisions to the city of Code of ordinances chapter 15

02:42:21 parking amending article 2, regulation, penalty section

02:42:28 15-21, ticket cancellation privileges, repealing all

02:42:32 ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith,

02:42:35 providing for severability, providing an effective date.

02:42:39 124 I have a motion from Mr. Maniscalco, a second from Mr.

02:42:43 Reddick.

02:42:43 All in favor of that motion?

02:42:45 Any opposed?

02:42:46 >>THE CLERK: Second reading and adoption on number 5 will

02:42:50 be held on September 15th, 2016 at 9:30 a.m.

02:42:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.




02:42:57 Mr. Maniscalco, if you would move number 68.

02:43:08 You have to read the second one also?

02:43:12 You already read the ordinance.

02:43:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I think we read the ordinance.

02:43:15 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 68 is the public hearing on the ordinance.

02:43:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: No.

02:43:21 The confusion is there are two separate ordinances that

02:43:24 require to effectuate the same.

02:43:28 >>CLERK: At second reading you will be adopting the

02:43:33 associated --

02:43:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Got it.

02:43:37 So you need to read the resolution.

02:43:42 We are perfect? All we need to know.

02:43:44 Thank you very much.

02:43:45 We have two public hearings now.

02:43:46 Our 10:30 hearings at 2:45.

02:43:50 If we can get staff on item number 69.

02:43:53 >> Barbara Lynch, Land Development Coordination.

02:43:58 A request to close an alley in West Tampa.

02:44:08 The property is -- the application is in red and the alley

02:44:11 to be vacated is in yellow and the alley is Cordelia, north

02:44:18 of Aileen, it's improved, and here is a picture of the

02:44:24 alleyway from MacDill, and this is the alley looking

02:44:33 west from Gomez.

02:44:38 I didn't see any evidence of any transportation.




02:44:43 The property of the applicant, it should be the same looking

02:44:46 south on Cordelia.

02:44:48 The alley on the south side.

02:44:50 And staff has no objection to this.

02:44:54 There is wastewater in the alley.

02:45:00 Easements by Verizon.

02:45:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council and staff?

02:45:04 Petitioner?

02:45:04 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: On behalf of the applicant.

02:45:10 My address is suite 3700 Bank of America Plaza.

02:45:14 This is a platted alley 10 feet wide that's never been

02:45:17 improved.

02:45:17 And reserved one for wastewater, one for Verizon.

02:45:24 I have not received any objection.

02:45:25 I respectfully request your approval.

02:45:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:45:28 Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on

02:45:31 item number 69?

02:45:32 69 concerning the vacation?

02:45:35 I see no one.

02:45:36 >> Move to close.

02:45:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion to close by Mr. Cohen.

02:45:40 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

02:45:42 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

02:45:45 Any opposed?




02:45:46 Okay.

02:45:48 Ms. Montelione.

02:45:51 Number 69.

02:45:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I move an ordinance being presented for

02:45:54 first reading consideration, an ordinance vacating, closing,

02:45:56 discontinuing, and abandoning an alleyway north of Aileen

02:46:01 street, south of Cordelia street, east of MacDill,

02:46:05 otherwise known as Roosevelt Avenue, and west of Gomez

02:46:09 Avenue in John H. drew's subdivision, a subdivision in the

02:46:13 City of Tampa, Hillsborough County Florida the same being

02:46:15 more fully described in section 1 hereof subject to certain

02:46:19 easement reservations, covenants, conditions and

02:46:22 restrictions more particularly set forth herein, providing

02:46:25 an effective date.

02:46:25 >> Second.

02:46:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion by Mrs. Montelione.

02:46:30 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

02:46:31 All in favor?

02:46:32 Any opposed?

02:46:33 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Capin being

02:46:37 absent at vote.

02:46:39 Second reading and adoption will be on September 15, 2016 at

02:46:44 9:30 a.m.

02:46:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:46:46 Item number 70.




02:46:47 Mrs. Lynch.

02:46:47 >>BARBARA LYNCH: Land Development Coordination.

02:46:52 VAC 16-18 is an alley in the same part of town.

02:46:55 It's the last vacating in West Tampa, Macfarlane Park.

02:47:00 I have a map for the overhead.

02:47:04 The applicant property is in red, the alley in yellow.

02:47:07 The alley is south of Dewey and north of Abdella and runs

02:47:13 from Gomez to Habana Avenue.

02:47:20 This is alleyway looking west from Habana.

02:47:23 And here it is again looking east from Gomez.

02:47:26 And this is the applicant's property.

02:47:28 It's vacant right now.

02:47:29 I believe they are going to construct a couple of houses

02:47:32 there

02:47:33 Again, there is no staff objections.

02:47:37 There are easements.

02:47:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Petitioner.

02:47:42 Item number 70.

02:47:45 >> Good afternoon.

02:47:46 My name is Vivian Hernandez, 17117 Lake Shore road in Lutz,

02:47:53 Florida.

02:47:54 I am the owner of the property at 2919.

02:47:58 My request is for the city to vacate the alley located in

02:48:02 the rear of the property.

02:48:03 And I'm here to answer any questions you may have.




02:48:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council to petitioner or

02:48:13 staff?

02:48:13 Is there anyone in the public to speak on item 70?

02:48:16 Please come forward.

02:48:18 I have a motion to close by Mr. Cohen.

02:48:19 I have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.

02:48:21 All in favor of that motion?

02:48:23 Any opposed?

02:48:24 Mr. Reddick, kindly take number 7.

02:48:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move an ordinance being presented for

02:48:29 first reading consideration, an ordinance vacating, closing,

02:48:32 discontinuing, abandoning an alleyway lying south of Dewey

02:48:39 street, north of Abdella street, east of Gomez Avenue and

02:48:43 west of Habana Avenue, in John H. drew's subdivision in

02:48:47 northwest Tampa a subdivision in the City of Tampa,

02:48:49 Hillsborough County Florida the same being more fully

02:48:51 described in section 1 hereof subject to certain easement

02:48:54 reservations, covenants, conditions and restrictions more

02:48:58 particularly set forth herein providing an effective date.

02:49:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Reddick.

02:49:02 Second by Mr. Cohen.

02:49:03 All in favor of that motion?

02:49:05 Any opposed?

02:49:06 Thank you.

02:49:06 >>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Miranda and Capin being




02:49:09 absent at vote.

02:49:11 Second reading and adoption will be held on September

02:49:14 15th, 2016 at 9:30 a.m.

02:49:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you.

02:49:20 Number 71.

02:49:25 Mr. Territo, we tried to keep you awake as much as possible.

02:49:28 I apologize.

02:49:29 >>SAL TERRITO: Legal department.

02:49:31 Item number 71 is a request for a sales tax refunding and

02:49:35 tax improvement bond issuance which you may recall this is

02:49:38 on your consent agenda two weeks ago.

02:49:41 We pulled it because they had to tweak some numbers.

02:49:43 The only difference between then and now is some dates were

02:49:46 adjusted because of the two-week delay.

02:49:48 If you have any questions I will be happy to answer them.

02:49:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council on this item?

02:49:53 >> Move to close.

02:49:55 >> Second.

02:49:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Reddick.

02:49:57 I have a second by Mr. Cohen.

02:49:58 All in favor of that motion?

02:50:00 Any opposed?

02:50:04 Item number 72, sir.

02:50:05 >> Sal Territo, legal department.

02:50:11 Are the same situation as last time.




02:50:12 This is a request for a non-ad valorem refunding and

02:50:15 improvement revenue bonds. This also was on your agenda two

02:50:17 weeks ago and was pulled to tweak some numbers and once

02:50:20 again the only changes have been some dates to correspond to

02:50:23 the two-week delay.

02:50:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are you trying to say something, Mr. Shelby?

02:50:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: [Off microphone.]

02:50:35 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Reddick moved the resolution.

02:50:37 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

02:50:39 All in favor?

02:50:40 Any opposed?

02:50:42 Thank you.

02:50:46 Number 73.

02:50:47 Are you going to take that one, too?

02:50:49 You can have it if you want.

02:50:50 Going to the highest bidder. Who wants that one?

02:50:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move the resolution.

02:50:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: On number 73.

02:50:56 Mr. Reddick has moved the substitute resolution on number

02:50:59 73.

02:51:00 We have a second by Mr. Maniscalco.

02:51:02 All in favor of that motion?

02:51:04 Any opposed?

02:51:05 Thank you, Mr. Reddick.

02:51:07 All right.




02:51:08 Item number 74.

02:51:10 This is put on because it's more than a million dollars.

02:51:16 Is there anyone from staff to speak on item number 74?

02:51:19 >> I'm James Sexton, contract administration department,

02:51:24 here to answer any questions you may have.

02:51:25 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council on this

02:51:28 particular item?

02:51:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: Move the resolution.

02:51:31 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Reddick moved the resolution.

02:51:32 Second by Mr. Cohen.

02:51:33 All in favor of that resolution?

02:51:36 Any opposed?

02:51:37 Thank you.

02:51:40 Next up is our equal business opportunity advisory council.

02:51:43 And I think we have our director and our chair here.

02:51:57 I think you know better than to sit in the second row.

02:52:00 You should always sit in the first row.

02:52:05 Get a little more regular room than most of us.

02:52:08 >> Good afternoon, council members.

02:52:10 My name I am an associate director with the Florida CDC at

02:52:22 Michelle.

02:52:22 >> I am with community development with Wells Fargo and

02:52:26 current chair of the E BOAC, and have been a member since

02:52:35 2007.

02:52:37 As you very well know, it's to promote the inclusion of




02:52:41 small business enterprises, women and minorities,

02:52:49 We advocate to provide access and opportunity to all

02:52:53 certified businesses.

02:52:55 The minority and small business staff done a great job in

02:53:00 making Tampa vendor become certified and make it as easy as

02:53:09 possible.

02:53:13 Always been available to answer my questions and those of my

02:53:15 colleagues as well.

02:53:16 A reality that we all must understand is that there is a

02:53:19 great interest from our business community to do business

02:53:23 with the city as a government agency, and.

02:53:32 A if they are ready, willing and able to perform.

02:53:57 This however is not a negative impact to the overall results

02:53:59 as you will hear next.

02:54:02 As a committee we will continue to have the conversation

02:54:04 with the staff about identifying jobs with the goal to

02:54:08 better assist the suppliers before and after they win

02:54:13 contracts.

02:54:15 From this information we will be better proficient to also

02:54:18 support the staff with available resources that they can

02:54:21 share to help reduce those gaps.

02:54:24 >> We did meet recently, and we will be meeting every 60

02:54:32 days.

02:54:34 More often if necessary.

02:54:36 But we don't really see that.




02:54:39 You all should be very proud of the results of the city

02:54:43 staff.

02:54:46 I am going to read them because I don't want to mess them

02:54:49 up.

02:54:58 Prime contracts increased from 10.29% to 13.57%.

02:55:06 Subcontracts, the goal attainment, increased from 107% of

02:55:13 goal to 120% of goal.

02:55:18 And contract dollars increased from 2.8 million up to 4

02:55:23 million.

02:55:25 So you should give yourselves a pat on the back, but our

02:55:31 staff, the city staff that are working with EBOAC is really

02:55:37 doing a great job.

02:55:39 We know every opportunity is not a good opportunity for

02:55:44 everybody, but the staff has done a great job at making sure

02:55:50 that the process is open, it's available, and opportunities

02:55:58 are open to anyone who can perform.

02:56:01 As a matter of fact, this report that I afforded you, Greg

02:56:07 heart has a copy that he can use.

02:56:10 I didn't make this up.

02:56:15 But the council is very proud of the work of the city in

02:56:19 this regard.

02:56:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions from council? Mrs.

02:56:25 Montelione?

02:56:26 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you for being here.

02:56:28 Some of the questions I have or some of the same questions I




02:56:31 had when Mr. Hart was here the last time, whatever date that

02:56:35 was, and are the same questions that I had a year ago or two

02:56:40 years ago or four years ago since he and I started having

02:56:44 conversations in 2011, because I, through the company that

02:56:51 my boyfriend owns, was a small local business, certified,

02:56:55 not minority, but small local business, so identifiers-hand

02:57:00 knowledge of the program.

02:57:03 So it was something that I started talking about soon after

02:57:06 I was elected.

02:57:09 So you mentioned that you met recently.

02:57:13 How many times in the past year, two years, have you met as

02:57:18 a body?

02:57:20 >> We are meeting regularly in 2014.

02:57:25 >> Fairly regularly.

02:57:29 Is that -- fairly regularly means different things to

02:57:32 different people.

02:57:33 >> Well, it was every 45 days or so.

02:57:35 But when we had our initial conversation, when I was on the

02:57:38 council, when I joined, it was all about making sure there

02:57:43 was equity in process.

02:57:44 Equity and process.

02:57:46 And also access to the contracts of the city.

02:57:54 And as you can see, just from the numbers alone, the staff

02:57:58 has done their part in making sure that not only were they

02:58:03 given access for the numbers that really increased from




02:58:09 2015 -- now, in 2015 we met twice.

02:58:12 But, again, the staff was doing the work, and it really

02:58:20 wasn't necessary for us to meet for the sake of meeting.

02:58:22 And we went through all of this data, now that it's

02:58:27 available, and it was presented to the council.

02:58:29 We got a chance to ask a lot of the questions that you may

02:58:35 ask once you review the data.

02:58:39 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

02:58:41 So you met twice in 2014.

02:58:47 >> 2015.

02:58:49 >> And just from a process standpoint -- and I am just

02:58:53 looking at what is available online -- there are 16 members.

02:59:01 Of the 16 members -- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 of them

02:59:12 have expired terms including yourself.

02:59:14 So your term says here was from October 2009 to September

02:59:20 30, 2011.

02:59:21 So that puzzles me.

02:59:25 And I'm curious, of the 16 members, with so many of them

02:59:31 having expired terms, how many people attended the 2015 two

02:59:37 meetings, or the two meetings --

02:59:39 >> I'm sorry, I don't recall and I don't want to tell you

02:59:42 wrong.

02:59:42 I don't recall.

02:59:43 >> Well, was it a majority of 16?

02:59:45 I mean, you know, there are seven of us sitting here.




02:59:49 So I don't know if you meet here in this chamber, or you

02:59:54 meet somewhere else no conference room?

02:59:57 >> I'm going to ask Greg Johnson.

03:00:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: Could I ask you to repeat that 2011?

03:00:07 >>GREGORY HART: Gregory --

03:00:08 >> Hang on a second.

03:00:09 >> Michelle Meine says she's a mayoral appointee and the

03:00:20 term on the website is October 1, 2009 to September 30,

03:00:24 2011.

03:00:25 >> Initial term.

03:00:26 >> Well, like I said, how many did I count, eight, nine

03:00:34 people?

03:00:34 All show the same thing.

03:00:37 And all the mayor's appointments that go from 2009 to 2011.

03:00:42 There's four of them expired in 2011.

03:00:48 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Make sure I am not listed on there.

03:00:52 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

03:00:54 I would say we are doing pretty good because all of our

03:00:57 appointments are current.

03:00:58 So we appointed someone who works in your office as an

03:01:06 intern, someone that I know personally, Joe Ferrell.

03:01:10 He was appointed by us in 2015, serves till 2016 so a

03:01:14 two-year term.

03:01:18 It's just puzzling. Anyway, do you meet here?

03:01:21 I mean, this is a public group, right? I would assume like




03:01:24 many of the other like the variance review and all of that,

03:01:27 you meet here in council chambers?

03:01:31 >>GREGORY HART: Gregory Hart, manager, minority and small

03:01:35 business development.

03:01:39 What you are not in possession of is the charter that

03:01:42 accompanies, that charter states that the mayoral

03:01:46 appointments continue to serve at will.

03:01:48 Upon expiration of term until such time as either the

03:01:53 committee member appointed by the mayor himself reappoints

03:01:57 or replaces that member.

03:01:59 And these volunteers have been engaged and consistently

03:02:04 participated and have expressed willingness to continue and

03:02:07 have done so.

03:02:09 Also, the charter for the EBOAC language is not part of what

03:02:16 you have.

03:02:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, but it was provided.

03:02:18 It is in my file.

03:02:20 The charter is there.

03:02:22 Heart Hart that is correct.

03:02:23 I think the question was how often --

03:02:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, the question was how many people

03:02:29 attended the two meetings in 2015.

03:02:33 >>GREGORY HART: I would say, if I recollect, probably

03:02:35 two-thirds if not a half of the committee.

03:02:38 It's a 15 member committee.




03:02:41 And I look to the folks to respond.

03:02:46 I believe on average with a committee that large, working

03:02:51 membership tends to average about eight or nine persons.

03:02:54 As with any volunteer committee, it's seldom going to have a

03:02:57 full compliment.

03:03:00 But the size was designed to ensure we have a number of

03:03:06 working people engage and I am sure we had that

03:03:10 consistently.

03:03:12 >> We meet at Fort Brooke.

03:03:17 >> Fort Brooke?

03:03:19 In a parking lot?

03:03:20 >> The parking division.

03:03:21 >> The parking division administrative offices where we hold

03:03:28 our CT&A presentations and other major committee meetings

03:03:33 and so forth.

03:03:34 That's where the equal business opportunity advisory

03:03:36 committee has been meeting since day one.

03:03:48 It allows volunteer board members to access parking and

03:03:52 readily access the meeting room.

03:03:53 We try to accommodate them.

03:03:55 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Let me just say the concerns that I

03:03:57 have.

03:04:02 I think the charter needs to be reviewed.

03:04:06 I mean, as we are looking at our charter as a city, haven't

03:04:12 been reviewed and updated in a while, I think the EBOAC




03:04:20 charter committee needs to be looked at.

03:04:22 Although it's wonderful that we have people who serve

03:04:24 indefinitely as at the appointment of the mayor, I think

03:04:29 that having much like we have term limits, having new blood

03:04:35 and people who come in with a zest for -- I know both of you

03:04:43 personally, but that you don't have the eagle eye and the

03:04:50 excitement nor committee year after year after year, and I

03:04:54 think always having new people which is what we try to do

03:04:56 with council with our appointments is have new people come

03:04:59 in, and with fresh eyes take a look.

03:05:02 I also think that having your meetings maybe noticed to

03:05:10 people or members, groups, such as TOBA or other minority

03:05:17 business groups, or even, you know, Rivelli hop was here

03:05:24 this morning from working Tampa Bay, that they know when the

03:05:28 meetings are and can attend.

03:05:30 I think having agendas that are public and posted.

03:05:34 Because I couldn't find any minutes to any meetings.

03:05:37 I couldn't find any agendas.

03:05:38 I couldn't find anything relating except for the list of

03:05:43 members.

03:05:44 And I was pretty shocked that even if you are serving

03:05:49 indefinitely as the mayor's appointees, the dates should at

03:05:55 least reflect the current two years.

03:05:57 So it doesn't look to the general public like, what, a whole

03:06:01 bunch of people on this committee whose terms expired?




03:06:04 So there's a lot of attention to detail that I think needs

03:06:07 to take place.

03:06:13 And one of the things is now that the information is

03:06:18 available, I guess I'm wondering why the information wasn't

03:06:20 available previously.

03:06:23 And I'm wondering why so many individuals in the

03:06:29 African-American community -- I attend the Sunday morning

03:06:32 breakfast meetings from time to time -- and, you know --

03:06:39 sorry.

03:06:41 Saturday.

03:06:45 Show up on Sunday.

03:06:46 They didn't even know you exist.

03:06:48 So if you have an organization that is so interested in this

03:06:55 particular topic, and for them not to know you exist, I

03:06:58 think it's a problem.

03:06:59 >> Well, the Saturday morning breakfast club, and a lot of

03:07:06 the community, may not know we exist because we exist to

03:07:11 work directly with the diversity team of the city.

03:07:18 And, yes, with this information, Tampa great work -- I will

03:07:31 be it outing the great work the city team is doing with

03:07:33 regard to minority business development, supplier access,

03:07:38 and those pieces.

03:07:40 But that might be why they don't know.

03:07:44 We have not had open meetings for the world to attend.

03:07:49 But our meetings have been more about --




03:07:53 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I'm sorry, I just want to correct you

03:07:55 because it is a public meeting, so they are all open.

03:07:58 I don't want to give the impression that the meetings are

03:08:00 closed and the public can't attend.

03:08:02 >> I'm just letting you know that's how we proceeded over

03:08:07 the years, is hearing from staff, what's going on, what

03:08:13 needs to change, what needs to work a little better.

03:08:17 So I don't believe any of our meetings have been published.

03:08:22 If your preference is that we do, then we will.

03:08:24 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That would be my preference.

03:08:27 And if I have to make that by motion, I apparently will

03:08:32 but --

03:08:34 >> The meetings should be posted.

03:08:36 >>LISA MONTELIONE: That's why I want to correct the

03:08:38 meetings should be public.

03:08:39 I didn't want to give anybody the impression these are

03:08:42 closed meetings.

03:08:48 >>GREGORY HART: If I may for clarification.

03:08:51 All city committee meetings -- Mrs. Mainer and Mrs. Rogerio

03:08:59 may not know how the process works but all meetings as

03:09:02 provided to the clerk's office do go on the city's website.

03:09:06 They are noticed.

03:09:07 Now, are they in every print media?

03:09:12 No, they are not.

03:09:13 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Myself, I could not find anything about




03:09:16 when the meetings were on the city's website.

03:09:19 >> We'll look into that.

03:09:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I'm pretty good at looking things up

03:09:25 on the city website.

03:09:27 I couldn't find agendas.

03:09:28 I couldn't find meeting dates.

03:09:30 The only thing I could find was just what I showed you, what

03:09:33 I printed out, and that was the list of who the appointees

03:09:38 are.

03:09:38 >> And let me clarify.

03:09:41 When I say published, I mean published.

03:09:44 Not that they are not public meetings.

03:09:45 Not that they are not on the city's calendar.

03:09:48 But they are not published.

03:09:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Anything else?

03:09:58 Go ahead, sir.

03:09:59 >>HARRY COHEN: You know, we visited the topic a few times

03:10:04 and you made a comment about being proud of the work that

03:10:06 the city does which I think is terrific.

03:10:08 But I just want to ask you one question.

03:10:10 And that is -- and either of you -- over your time serving

03:10:14 on the committee, what do you think are the things that need

03:10:18 to be improved? What do you think are the things that we

03:10:20 can do better than we are doing now or what advice would you

03:10:24 give if you were sitting down with someone that was going to




03:10:30 be responsible for administering this type of program?

03:10:33 What would be some of the things that you would aspiration

03:10:40 alley like to see done?

03:10:42 >> We talked earlier about a resaoirse guide.

03:10:45 >> Correct.

03:10:46 At the last meeting, we started identifying areas of

03:10:49 improvement or gaps.

03:10:52 So the committee was going to continue to have those

03:10:55 conversations with staff again, to meet with the outside

03:11:02 perspective into the process.

03:11:03 We need to understand what staff goes through and then help

03:11:09 identify the gaps and identify the resources to help close

03:11:12 those gaps.

03:11:13 And one of those that has already been identified is a

03:11:19 resource guide to better help the staff when they get

03:11:23 approached by vendors or proposed vendors and help better

03:11:29 guide them as, are they ready, willing and able to perform?

03:11:35 It's not about -- it's about preparedness.

03:11:42 And they being able to meet your needs and the city being

03:11:47 able to contract with these small businesses.

03:11:51 >>HARRY COHEN: I don't want to put words in your mouth.

03:11:54 But what I hear you saying is we still need to do a better

03:11:57 job communicating exactly how the programs work and what the

03:12:00 criteria are, and giving people as much information as

03:12:04 possible about how they can qualify and meet the city's




03:12:09 expectations.

03:12:10 >> That is an ever-going process.

03:12:14 That will never end.

03:12:15 Because you have new vendors.

03:12:17 You have vendors that have grown.

03:12:19 You have vendors that have specific purpose.

03:12:21 So you will always have this conversation.

03:12:23 But once they are in, once they say, okay, I am willing to

03:12:27 work with the City of Tampa, are they really ready and able

03:12:32 to perform to your needs to your standards?

03:12:35 And that is one -- as an example, that is one area that we

03:12:39 have already identified that we need to look into in greater

03:12:43 detail.

03:12:43 >>HARRY COHEN: And your goal is to publish ash resource

03:12:46 guide to address the question directly?

03:12:50 >> Would that the best approach?

03:12:52 Yes.

03:12:53 And at a minimum to put something together for the staff, to

03:12:56 make certain that the staff has a resource guide.

03:13:01 We equated it to 211 for individuals who need access to

03:13:08 different services.

03:13:09 Access.

03:13:13 But for a small business or minority business or small

03:13:16 minority business, to come and say, okay, in a, I don't have

03:13:21 a business plan, and I don't know where to start.




03:13:25 Well, guess what, there is a resource that's available to

03:13:28 you.

03:13:29 We don't do that in the city.

03:13:31 However, we are aware of resources that will help.

03:13:37 That's the resource guide that we are talking about, in

03:13:40 working with the staff on making certain that there is

03:13:43 something that the city has available that should list these

03:13:51 different resources.

03:13:52 >>HARRY COHEN: A final question.

03:13:53 And you are saying that the committee is going to be working

03:13:57 on this, this year, currently working on it?

03:14:01 >> It just started.

03:14:02 >>HARRY COHEN: Thank you.

03:14:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions?

03:14:05 I want to make a statement really quick.

03:14:08 And I may be wrong about this, Mr. Hart, but I think myself

03:14:12 and Mrs. Maynard may be one of the first members of the

03:14:18 EBOAC and we were trying to formulate different things.

03:14:21 I think what I want to explain to council in terms of what

03:14:24 was explained to me when I first got on board was what they

03:14:29 are and what they are not.

03:14:30 What they are was to make sure that we are following the

03:14:32 guidelines that are set by state and federal government.

03:14:34 In terms of our program.

03:14:36 That means both in terms of inclusion but also in terms of




03:14:40 not going too far over the line so that a lot of tricky

03:14:44 language that deals with this is quotas and some other

03:14:49 issues that we could not use and could not promote.

03:14:51 So we would come up with great ideas that were illegal and

03:14:54 couldn't do it.

03:14:55 But the Supreme Court has already said something.

03:14:56 The second thing was -- and I think Michelle made it very

03:14:59 clear which is the resource guide which we would be out

03:15:03 there.

03:15:04 I know Mr. Hart and some of us actually would go out to some

03:15:07 of the events to promote what it is to be a minority vendor

03:15:12 for the City of Tampa.

03:15:13 And I think Mr. Hart has done a terrific job in this sense,

03:15:17 which is coordinating between the school board, the city and

03:15:20 the county to have one resource place so that you can be a

03:15:24 vendor, certified vendor for all three of those, governments

03:15:28 that are out there, so you don't have to repeat and redo

03:15:31 every single time.

03:15:32 So if you are certified county vendor, you are certified

03:15:35 under the city's program, too, and the school board and

03:15:38 everything else.

03:15:39 And that was something that you were working on when I was

03:15:42 on that board.

03:15:45 You may have completed it while I was still on the board.

03:15:47 And we were trying to formulate how to go forward.




03:15:52 And I know that we had been brought back because we had not

03:15:56 met a lot prior to being on board and we reinstituted and

03:16:01 reconstituted the board.

03:16:02 What the board is not, it's not quite an advocacy for the

03:16:07 administration viewpoint of how we are supposed to provide

03:16:12 minority contractors.

03:16:15 Or to provide contracts for them.

03:16:18 Part of the problem is that's one of the reasons why when

03:16:21 you are on EBOAC you are trying to go forward and say, here

03:16:24 sore things that we want to do.

03:16:26 And I know when I was on board, one of the ideas that we

03:16:29 came up with is how do we provide bonding capacity for those

03:16:32 small contractors that because of the economic downturn had

03:16:37 lost their bonding authority?

03:16:38 And if you lose bonding authority you cannot do business

03:16:41 with any government, let alone the City of Tampa.

03:16:43 So we were dealing with issues that we didn't have real

03:16:45 answers to, but we were trying to figure out how is it that

03:16:48 the city can be an advocate in some way but also try to help

03:16:52 in another way.

03:16:53 So it's kind of hard because it's kind of an over arching

03:16:59 name but it isn't quite what you think it is like in some

03:17:01 big cities where they have a large organization or large

03:17:05 division, that all we look at is making sure that they get

03:17:09 as many minority contractors as possible.




03:17:11 We are really still in kind of the nebulous stages of just

03:17:17 growing up.

03:17:18 And I think that they have done a great job in terms of

03:17:20 that.

03:17:21 Now, if we want to make this board stronger in terms of

03:17:24 doing some of the other things that I mentioned that they

03:17:26 don't do now, we can do that.

03:17:28 And we could change the charter as long as it still meats

03:17:31 with all the federal and state regulations.

03:17:33 And I don't have a problem with that.

03:17:35 But I think we need to come up with whatever that direction

03:17:37 is so that Mr. Hart understands where we want to be, and so

03:17:41 that when we do have these kinds of conversations we are all

03:17:44 on the same page.

03:17:45 We are not trying to figure out what it is that you guys do

03:17:48 as opposed to what you don't do.

03:17:51 And so that's the only suggestion I would make, I think I

03:17:56 was the only one on council that served on that board.

03:17:59 It's an interesting board but it's a little different.

03:18:01 When I first got onboard I thought it was an advocacy group,

03:18:05 also.

03:18:06 And I was trying to figure out, oh, that's not our charge,

03:18:10 we have something else to do.

03:18:11 So that's kind of, I think, the misconception here. Anyway,

03:18:17 that's all I have.




03:18:18 Go ahead, Mrs. Montelione.

03:18:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: If I may reading directly from the

03:18:21 ordinance it says the equal business opportunity advisory

03:18:24 committee is a citizen task force of 16 members, nine

03:18:29 mayoral, seven City Council appointees, representing a cross

03:18:32 section of contracted service providers and stakeholders

03:18:35 organizations.

03:18:36 The purpose of this EBOAC is to serve as a citizen advisory

03:18:41 committee to promote the participation and use of FLBEs

03:18:48 and city contracting and procurement.

03:18:51 Not to disagree with you, Mr. Chair, but that sounds like an

03:18:54 advocacy group to me, if they are charged as defined in our

03:18:59 ordinance, to problem moat the participation and use of

03:19:02 SLBE, the city contracting.

03:19:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I will answer that which is we were

03:19:07 promoting it.

03:19:08 The problem is we needed to know the numbers first to make

03:19:11 sure we were meeting our federally mandated and state

03:19:14 mandated goals.

03:19:15 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Understood.

03:19:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: As I mentioned before, we were in the

03:19:18 beginning stages of that.

03:19:19 And ever since then, should have been doing more.

03:19:22 Because I have not been on it since 2007 as you know.

03:19:25 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.




03:19:26 >>MIKE SUAREZ:

03:19:26 >>FRANK REDDICK: Again that is part of the charter but what

03:19:28 was aspirational hasn't been reached.

03:19:31 And I would agree with that.

03:19:32 And I think if you want to strengthen it, you might want to

03:19:35 come up with some other language or if you think that's

03:19:37 proper and they just aren't doing their job, it's a

03:19:40 different issue.

03:19:40 That's all I have to say on that.

03:19:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: May I?

03:19:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Yes, sir.

03:19:44 Yes, ma'am.

03:19:45 She wanted to add to something.

03:19:47 >> Even in the charter, in concept -- adviser, advice the

03:19:57 staff, advisory to the city, not necessarily, not

03:20:07 necessarily only advocate for minorities.

03:20:09 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No, yes.

03:20:13 But I mean --

03:20:14 >> But because of what we do on a day-to-day basis, we do

03:20:17 that.

03:20:19 We are consistently advocating for minority businesses,

03:20:24 especially those who are ready, willing and able to do

03:20:29 business with whoever they can get a process with.

03:20:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay, so let me just point out a few

03:20:40 things.




03:20:41 The few times that Mr. Hart has been here, I think mostly

03:20:48 because I have motions for a report or to ask questions or

03:20:52 to come here and talk to us about this.

03:20:55 But in the ordinance, it says the City Council -- the report

03:21:03 shall detail the total dollars and total contracts and

03:21:07 subcontracts awarded and shall be provided to City Council

03:21:11 on the EBOAC on a semiannual basis.

03:21:15 I don't think that's ever been done.

03:21:18 Like I said, I requested for someone to be here.

03:21:21 Another point in the ordinance is number 7, says recommend

03:21:25 annual goals for FLBE and prime and subcontractors,

03:21:30 utilization and report such recommendations to City Council

03:21:33 for approval.

03:21:33 The I don't know that we have ever heard from you those

03:21:36 items either.

03:21:38 In the five and a half years I have been sitting on this

03:21:41 council, except for when I have asked for a staff report.

03:21:47 So I think that with only meeting twice a year, this year --

03:21:53 how many times did you meet in 2015?

03:21:58 Or you said it was 5.

03:21:59 How many times in --

03:22:03 >> More than one, less than one?

03:22:14 So somebody needs to be looking at the ordinance.

03:22:17 And providing what's already in here to council.

03:22:23 Because after November 8th I am not going to be here




03:22:25 anymore.

03:22:26 And I am not going to be able to make that motion.

03:22:28 Hopefully somebody will, to bring people here to report.

03:22:34 So I would like to at this time motion -- and I guess this

03:22:41 will be memorialized -- that on a semiannual basis, meeting

03:22:47 twice a year, the director, manager of the SWBME, SLBE

03:22:54 program, report to council in accordance with the ordinance

03:23:01 2008-89 section 26.5.3, administrative authority, powers and

03:23:09 duties, number 5, and number 7.

03:23:11 >> Second.

03:23:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: [Off microphone.] All in favor?

03:23:21 Opposed?

03:23:22 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you, council.

03:23:24 I have one last question.

03:23:28 I was looking through this.

03:23:30 It's a lot of information to just be provided and review

03:23:33 while I am sitting here.

03:23:35 So it probably would have been good if I had these in

03:23:38 advance, and this other.

03:23:41 But it seems that these are very long answers to some very

03:23:45 short questions.

03:23:46 So I would also ask by motion that this second page of this

03:23:56 document that was provided to us earlier today during public

03:24:01 comment by the representative of TOBA be filled out and

03:24:06 returned to council.




03:24:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: [Off microphone.] What date?

03:24:15 When I looked at that page there are a couple of things that

03:24:17 have already been filled out.

03:24:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: You made the motion.

03:24:26 I think you have Mr. Hart here, asking if he intends to do

03:24:29 that.

03:24:30 I think that was asked before.

03:24:31 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I don't know if we made it in the form

03:24:34 of a motion.

03:24:34 We probably asked it.

03:24:36 But --

03:24:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: Well, as a good faith he was going to do

03:24:41 it.

03:24:42 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

03:24:42 But have you gotten it filled in?

03:24:45 >> No, no.

03:24:46 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Neither have I.

03:24:47 >> For clarification, are you asking the staff to take the

03:24:53 information that they already provide but put it in a

03:24:57 different format for an organization?

03:24:58 I want to be sure.

03:24:59 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I am just asking for this sheet to be

03:25:02 filled in.

03:25:02 I mean, I can't tell right now off the top of my head

03:25:05 because this was just provided to me when we started talking




03:25:09 here.

03:25:10 If the information is here or if it isn't here.

03:25:13 >> I understand you have a workshop already scheduled to go

03:25:18 over this report.

03:25:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: We had a workshop.

03:25:26 We motioned for that.

03:25:30 We motioned for that last time Mr. Hart was here.

03:25:34 >>GREGORY HART: Again as you stated, we have been together

03:25:37 two, three, if not more times, and some of this we have

03:25:42 already responded to.

03:25:43 If you are asking us to take the data we provided and the

03:25:46 ancillary data and put it in an agency specifics format, I

03:25:53 don't know that -- we have already provided.

03:25:58 If someone would like to slice it and dice it to their

03:26:02 needs, that's fine.

03:26:03 We provided information.

03:26:04 We have additional data.

03:26:04 >>FRANK REDDICK: What Councilwoman Montelione is talk

03:26:14 about, there are four questions on this to portion.

03:26:17 Four questions.

03:26:21 Heart Hart and it looks like the form we addressed at the

03:26:23 last council meeting and provided the majority of data, I

03:26:26 believe.

03:26:28 Our systems are not necessarily designed or contribute to

03:26:31 address every citizen's or every agency's specifications in




03:26:35 terms of how --

03:26:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me give you an example.

03:26:38 >> We have the data.

03:26:39 We have given it.

03:26:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: It's just a matter -- the first question,

03:26:45 what is the total annual budget for the City of Tampa fiscal

03:26:48 year 16?

03:26:50 >> We provided --

03:26:52 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yeah, and what is the mayor's proposed

03:26:54 budget?

03:26:55 We haven't voted on it but we estimate probably near where

03:27:00 he presented.

03:27:01 And the other ones, I don't know why they put it in.

03:27:05 Make it hard to read.

03:27:09 And it's something like, what were the total dollars spent

03:27:14 by the City of Tampa to pay for construction? Those are

03:27:23 questions.

03:27:23 And it says fill in the answer for these questions.

03:27:27 There are four of them.

03:27:32 >>GREGORY HART: Some of that was budget financial related

03:27:34 information but, yes, we'll take a look at it and give to

03:27:37 the whoever wants it.

03:27:40 I think my staff --

03:27:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: Councilwoman --

03:27:46 >> My staff would be inundated if we responded to every




03:27:49 individual's format when our systems aren't necessarily --

03:27:53 >>FRANK REDDICK: You hear these four and you aren't going

03:27:57 to hear from him again until Thanksgiving.

03:28:00 You fill out these four and you won't hear from us till

03:28:04 Thanksgiving.

03:28:05 We'll be thankful at that time.

03:28:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I won't be here at Thanksgiving.

03:28:13 So I am going to motion -- and we are not asking for, you

03:28:16 know, everybody to comes here.

03:28:18 We have been asking for one form for one organization and we

03:28:22 have been asking for it for a long time.

03:28:24 I am going to make a motion that this form be completed by

03:28:28 staff and returned to us prior to the September 22nd

03:28:32 meeting.

03:28:32 >> Second.

03:28:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mrs. Montelione.

03:28:36 A second by Mr. Maniscalco.

03:28:38 All in favor of that motion?

03:28:39 Any opposed?

03:28:41 Thank you.

03:28:42 Any other questions of the chair and vice chair of the EBOAC

03:28:47 or -- you have more?

03:28:51 >>LISA MONTELIONE: No.

03:28:51 I am just going to reiterate what I said before.

03:28:54 By September 22nd, because we are going to be talking about




03:28:57 this again.

03:28:58 I would like to see -- and I am not going to do it by

03:29:01 motion.

03:29:01 I am going to ask.

03:29:02 We'll see what happens.

03:29:03 I would like to see the information be transparent as far as

03:29:08 meeting dates, agendas, and minutes of the meeting be online

03:29:14 or accessible to the public so that any individual can look

03:29:19 and see what the topics are being discussed, how often you

03:29:24 meet, and there is some accountability and measure of

03:29:28 success.

03:29:31 The numbers are going up.

03:29:34 But, you know, we have been asking these questions since

03:29:39 2011.

03:29:40 And one thing I would like to see before I leave is some

03:29:44 closure or at least some progress on this issue.

03:29:47 And Mr. Hart and I met in 2011.

03:29:50 And I gave him lots of ideas.

03:29:53 And I met with the mayor and talked to the mayor about lots

03:29:55 of ideas.

03:29:57 And some of the things you talked to me about, we talked

03:30:02 about in 2011, the access, the guide, helping small

03:30:09 businesses especially minority businesses being prepared.

03:30:12 You both work for organizations out in the community.

03:30:15 I mean with USF and the small business center, and




03:30:19 Hillsborough County, small business.

03:30:24 The programs are there.

03:30:25 And helping people who may be aren't ready for contracts

03:30:29 with the city, and helping them with those programs, and

03:30:33 getting connections to those programs, and financial --

03:30:42 Tampa business investment funds.

03:30:46 The programs are out there.

03:30:47 And we need to do a better job, if they are not ready to do

03:30:51 business with the city, helping them to better that.

03:30:54 And we have had these conversations for five years.

03:30:58 So I would hope that on the 22nd we get a little further

03:31:06 along in the discussion.

03:31:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other comments or questions?

03:31:13 >>FRANK REDDICK: Just one of Mr. Hart.

03:31:14 Did you --

03:31:18 >> I believe staff has a copy of that.

03:31:20 We have lots of copies.

03:31:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Thank you so much.

03:31:24 Thank you for your service, ladies and gentlemen, to the

03:31:26 city.

03:31:26 Hopefully you will stick around.

03:31:30 We really appreciate it.

03:31:31 Thank you.

03:31:35 Item number 80.

03:31:36 Mr. Slater.




03:31:37 >>JAKE SLATER: City of Tampa neighborhood development.

03:31:54 Administrator.

03:31:55 Nice to see everybody this afternoon.

03:31:58 I'm here to give an update on the collection of hard cost

03:32:01 lead by code enforcement and the neighborhood department

03:32:04 working in conjunction with the legal department and TNI,

03:32:10 and I want to say thank you for all the great work TNI has

03:32:13 done with us, legal department has done, and also my admin

03:32:16 staff.

03:32:17 It's been a very tedious project in that we had to work with

03:32:21 data that was migrated over from our older system back in

03:32:27 1989 to our current system.

03:32:29 So it's been a very, very tedious process, that I think we

03:32:33 have some pretty good numbers for you.

03:32:45 This first slide reflects the total amount of billables that

03:32:50 was transferred from the supply system that took effect back

03:32:55 in 1989 to the conversion to a sell-out in December 2014.

03:33:03 It includes all liens and also all expenditures.

03:33:11 Demolitions, remedial needs, what code enforcement does when

03:33:20 it goes out and clears lots, cleans up trash and overall

03:33:30 trash and debris.

03:33:31 You can see we had over $4 million that was actually

03:33:34 transferred over.

03:33:45 The second slide reflects the hard cost liens and

03:33:51 expenditures, actually all billable liens that have been




03:33:57 invoiced since January 1st, 2015 to August 17th of

03:34:03 this year, 2016.

03:34:07 The total was just over $9 million.

03:34:13 Demolition 672,000.

03:34:15 Excuse me, 900,000.

03:34:18 And on remedial side was just under 300,000.

03:34:25 This next slide is one that I am awful proud of.

03:34:30 And it's taken a lot of work.

03:34:37 These total payments that have been made since January

03:34:47 1st, 2015 through this month.

03:34:54 We have collected almost $2 million.

03:34:59 And that's working with the current staff, existing staff,

03:35:04 and the resources that we had.

03:35:06 Again with T&I helping in support along with my admin staff

03:35:10 and the legal staff.

03:35:11 >> Let me ask you, what's the oldest collection that you had

03:35:16 in that one-year period that you collected?

03:35:21 Was one was ten years old, one was five years old?

03:35:27 I'm just trying to find out if you are catching up to what

03:35:29 was a backlog as opposed to getting new fines.

03:35:32 >> We cannot go back further than 20 years under Florida

03:35:37 state law.

03:35:38 >> Okay.

03:35:39 >> We are catching all the ones that are 20 years old.

03:35:44 We can't collect anything over 20 years old.




03:35:46 So in this number, there can be some that are ten years old,

03:35:51 five years old, two months old, all of those.

03:35:54 We are catching all of that as the property is transferred.

03:35:57 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay.

03:35:59 I was curious.

03:36:00 It could be a big number but it might plateau because we are

03:36:04 actually collecting a lot of old debt, old liens.

03:36:07 You know what I'm saying?

03:36:08 Opinion.

03:36:09 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Yes.

03:36:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Then next year you say, we had $434,000.

03:36:14 And I say, wait a minute, last year you had 2 million.

03:36:19 >>ERNEST MUELLER: And a lot thereof old data came over.

03:36:21 A lot of it was over 20 years old but actual collection

03:36:25 since really since January 1st, when we came, and we

03:36:29 said we are going to do a more concerted effort, and send

03:36:33 out letters --

03:36:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'm totally appreciative of it.

03:36:36 I just want to know if those numbers are going to be skewed

03:36:39 because we finally found a way to collect a lot of old ones.

03:36:43 And then it also includes those that just came online, or

03:36:48 just old ones, because those numbers are going to fluctuate,

03:36:52 because you have got a big chunk here in the 1-month period

03:36:55 and we want to make sure --

03:36:58 >> It's my hope to keep that big chunk plateauing.




03:37:02 >>MIKE SUAREZ: If it keeps plateauing, that means there's a

03:37:08 lot not being done the right way.

03:37:11 So I want to be sure.

03:37:12 And you might want to put that as an asterisk in one of your

03:37:16 reports if you have an idea of that number, it might be

03:37:18 helpful.

03:37:19 Mrs. Montelione.

03:37:20 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

03:37:22 So I asked for this accounting.

03:37:23 I'm sorry it made you do so much digging, Mr. Slater.

03:37:30 >>JAKE SLATER: But it was worth it, though.

03:37:33 >>LISA MONTELIONE: But we have got so much going because I

03:37:38 remember having a conversation with Mr. Mueller way back in

03:37:43 the depths of the recession when one company owed us a lot

03:37:49 of money for properties that they were buying up and then

03:37:54 completely ignoring.

03:37:57 They were just gobbling up all over the city.

03:38:00 And I don't recall the name, and I do not want to say the

03:38:05 name of the company, but Mr. Mueller, have they been part of

03:38:08 this collection?

03:38:11 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Yes.

03:38:19 However, being a hedge fund, they are selling those

03:38:21 properties, and we are periodically catching money from

03:38:24 them.

03:38:25 Better than what we did during the recession.




03:38:27 I think they are trying to move them now.

03:38:29 >> So they are not paying us because they owe us the money.

03:38:32 They are paying us because they have to at closing when they

03:38:36 transfer title?

03:38:39 >>ERNEST MUELLER: Yes.

03:38:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

03:38:42 Well, at least we are getting money.

03:38:46 But thank you.

03:38:49 We had a really big problem for a long time.

03:38:52 >>JAKE SLATER: I also want to share with you -- you didn't

03:39:00 ask for it but I thought it was worthwhile.

03:39:04 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I like it when employees go above and

03:39:06 beyond.

03:39:07 >>JAKE SLATER: What we have collected in our civil citation

03:39:09 program.

03:39:10 And this represents the payments pavements that have been

03:39:14 made to the City of Tampa.

03:39:16 From January 1st, 2015 through this month.

03:39:23 Just over $100,000.

03:39:26 So the process is working.

03:39:29 The compliance is working.

03:39:31 In that time frame period.

03:39:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions from council?

03:39:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me ask, what are you doing with the

03:39:38 money that is being collected?




03:39:39 >>JAKE SLATER: I am going to have to refer that to the

03:39:49 revenue and finance department.

03:39:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: Oh, so this is not reinvested into your

03:39:56 department.

03:40:00 >>JAKE SLATER: Again, Mr. Reddick, I have to refer back to

03:40:04 revenue and finance. I don't have a say-so as to where the

03:40:07 money goes.

03:40:08 >> It's going in the general fund.

03:40:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: And the reason I brought that up is

03:40:15 because I think your department is going out and your staff

03:40:18 is doing all this work, then somehow, you know, some of

03:40:25 these funds should be reinvested into back into your

03:40:28 department to help you hire business staff or buy equipment

03:40:37 to do what you need to do, to clean out some of these areas

03:40:42 in the city.

03:40:42 So I am just wondering how the funds are utilized.

03:40:47 So that will be a topic of discussion when we start talking

03:40:49 about the budget.

03:40:51 You don't have to say anything, but I will say it for you.

03:40:54 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I am not going to say a word.

03:41:01 That's a good plan.

03:41:01 >>JAKE SLATER: Thank you all for your support.

03:41:05 >>MIKE SUAREZ: No, ma'am other questions for Mr. Slater?

03:41:07 Thank you, sir.

03:41:08 Item number 81.




03:41:11 Here is the easy part.

03:41:15 Ms. McLean.

03:41:16 >>JAN MCLEAN: The hard part is for me to figure out how to

03:41:19 work the Elmo.

03:41:21 Jan McLean, office of city attorney, here on item number 81

03:41:24 to bring back the other jurisdictions, mitigation credit

03:41:34 policy.

03:41:35 And for my presentation today, I looked at seven other

03:41:41 jurisdictions.

03:41:42 And I have three examples to provide to you with regards to

03:41:51 what we do.

03:41:55 The first one is Sarasota County.

03:42:00 I went through it, not to a level of knowing it but pretty

03:42:06 well.

03:42:07 It provides for maximum credit of 74%.

03:42:13 There is 100% credit given for any parcel.

03:42:17 They give credit for exceeding land development regulations,

03:42:21 and their land development regulations went in in 81 or 83,

03:42:27 so they have two different ways of evaluating.

03:42:29 Then they have a tiered system wherever they look at

03:42:33 tree-weighted components that will go toward determining the

03:42:36 actual percentage of their credit that they would allow for

03:42:40 this given parcel.

03:42:41 And you can see there it's quality, quantity and rate

03:42:49 I don't have an engineering degree but what they do is tan




03:42:52 into consideration things lake if your design went to 100

03:42:57 year 24-hour storm, which is a curve, and every 100 years,

03:43:04 and the rate of rainfall that would come down for our area

03:43:08 is what we look at, is a zone, would be .55 inches per hour.

03:43:14 So in that, you would have to retain, if my math hold true,

03:43:18 about 13.20 inches of stormwater onto property.

03:43:27 That would be your baseline design.

03:43:29 And you will see where that goes through the other credit

03:43:33 policies as well.

03:43:36 So that's Sarasota County.

03:43:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Before you go forward.

03:43:42 Where how do you measure?

03:43:44 Rate and quantity I understand.

03:43:46 Quality, how do you measure that?

03:43:48 >>JAN MCLEAN: Quality, if you can achieve at least an 80%

03:43:52 reduction of the average load of pollutants by the volume of

03:43:57 storage.

03:43:57 And so --

03:44:00 >> That's just a rough estimate that they make?

03:44:02 >> I would think not.

03:44:05 I think it would determine what your runoff is, and then

03:44:09 depending on what the use of your parcel is, that they would

03:44:12 be able to evaluate what your pollutant load is.

03:44:15 We do that for GMBO.

03:44:19 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So if you have a large car dealership but I




03:44:23 have a vault underneath and a lot of impervious surface on

03:44:26 top, the pollutant level might be higher than if it was a

03:44:29 completely grassy lot that soaked into a retention pond?

03:44:37 >> Hypothetically, with my non-engineering degree.

03:44:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: That's very good.

03:44:41 Your lawyer talked and came through on that.

03:44:43 I was curious about that.

03:44:45 Because when you talk quality, quality is a little different

03:44:48 kind of measurement.

03:44:48 But I'll let you go on.

03:44:50 I'm very curious about some of the next things.

03:44:52 >>JAN MCLEAN: And in the ones that I have looked at,

03:44:55 Sarasota is the only one addressed quality.

03:44:58 Usually it's a function of runoff.

03:45:02 So we have Pinellas County.

03:45:07 There's is a fairly new utility over the last couple of

03:45:10 years, a maximum quality of 75%.

03:45:14 If you have an on-site system, again a 100 year 24 hour

03:45:18 storm, the other category that they give you credit for.

03:45:26 Another discharge to tidal waters.

03:45:28 And in their credit policy they identify very specific tidal

03:45:31 waters because of the surface water in Pinellas County, they

03:45:36 have a fair number of TMDLs they are dealing with.

03:45:40 So if you reduce your runoff to those waters, you get a

03:45:44 credit.




03:45:45 And you only get 35% maximum and only certain waters.

03:45:49 And then they have sort of a catch-all category which is --

03:45:56 they would evaluate those on a case-by-case basis.

03:46:00 There's no criteria.

03:46:02 I didn't get a chance to speak with staff but those are the

03:46:05 three categories.

03:46:06 But they would allow a maximum of 75% of the credits.

03:46:11 They do have the rationale for the 75% in their credit

03:46:17 policy which is 75% of the total cost of their stormwater

03:46:22 cost for the system throughout the county, but then there's

03:46:24 additional cost that remains.

03:46:26 Regulatory obligations and maintenance.

03:46:29 And so it appears that the county was taking a position that

03:46:34 they still have additional costs that are going to remain in

03:46:37 any parcel would only get 75% even if you discharge.

03:46:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Do you have a system where it's 75-25 or

03:46:46 just zero, 75 and 100?

03:46:49 >>JAN MCLEAN: In the credit policy, I didn't speak with

03:46:52 staff, but in the credit policy, it's just zero, 75, 100.

03:46:58 Nobody gets 100 in Pinellas County.

03:47:00 Unless that 100 is allowed under the parcels with the

03:47:05 features, but from the credit policy I would extrapolate

03:47:08 nobody is going to get 100.

03:47:12 The third number I wanted to use an example is Polk County.

03:47:19 They look at different category as far as if you have no




03:47:22 discharge to the county system, similar to ours, if the

03:47:24 owner contributes to a CDD or HOA or some private entities

03:47:32 that manages and maintains a water system similar to ours,

03:47:34 you have to be in compliance with the water management

03:47:36 district permit.

03:47:38 So if you have a surface water system, that private entity

03:47:44 is maintaining that permit that's been issued for that has

03:47:47 to be in compliance and you have to demonstrate proof of

03:47:50 compliance for you to be even considered.

03:47:56 Sending did money in but the entity isn't doing what it

03:47:59 should to maintain the system so it's sort of a two-way

03:48:03 process.

03:48:03 The way I read their credit policy is you are going to get

03:48:07 60%, also if you don't discharge and you design to a 100

03:48:13 year 24 hour design.

03:48:14 My understanding is that's a pretty large retention volume

03:48:17 on-site, again with my non-engineering degree that I

03:48:22 possess.

03:48:23 And then the other credit that would be allowed would be the

03:48:28 30% if you pay into the private entity who maintains.

03:48:36 Those are the high level examples.

03:48:38 Some of the other ones that I looked at was Hillsborough

03:48:40 County which doesn't appear to have a credit policy per se

03:48:44 but they have an adjustment process where they have it both

03:48:49 county and property owner initiation, they could say we




03:48:55 think our assessment is incorrect.

03:48:57 Pasco County says it has a credit policy, but I wasn't able

03:49:00 to drill down far enough to find it.

03:49:03 And then I had two other examples that were provided to me

03:49:09 the city of late house point and the city of Cape Coral.

03:49:13 So I thought these examples were the most similar to what we

03:49:17 have but different with regard to how they implement it.

03:49:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mr. Cohen.

03:49:25 >>HARRY COHEN: This is actually not mitigation policy, but

03:49:30 on topics.

03:49:31 I am under the understanding that Temple Terrace recently

03:49:35 passed a similar type of stormwater assessment to what we

03:49:40 are going to consider.

03:49:41 And I was told that -- and I haven't been able to confirm

03:49:45 this -- that they are exempting nonprofits and places of

03:49:51 religious assembly from their assessment.

03:49:54 And I wanted to know if you are aware of that, and, if so,

03:49:58 what type of legal authority they might be citing in order

03:50:01 to do that.

03:50:05 Where.

03:50:05 >>JAN MCLEAN: I am not aware of the specifics.

03:50:07 I heard that they were considering a stormwater utility

03:50:10 creation.

03:50:12 We had that conversation before as far as uses from the

03:50:16 system, and what that does is push the burden of the




03:50:18 maintenance of the systems to the remaining users.

03:50:21 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, that's true, but if I remember

03:50:26 correctly when we had the discussion about exempting those

03:50:30 types of uses, the reason we were given that we couldn't do

03:50:38 that is because they are also contributing to the stormwater

03:50:43 runoff.

03:50:44 So my question is, if Temple Terrace or another jurisdiction

03:50:48 around us is exempting places of religious assembly I would

03:50:56 like to know what the justification is that they are relying

03:51:00 on in order to do that.

03:51:02 I mean, it certainly would be up to council in that type of

03:51:05 situation.

03:51:08 I see Mrs. Montelione shaking her head.

03:51:10 But it would be up to council in that type of situation to

03:51:12 make the decision of whether or not we wanted to do such a

03:51:15 thing.

03:51:15 But my recollection of our discussion last year was that it

03:51:19 wasn't even an option for us, that it was something that it

03:51:24 was the opinion of our legal department would damage the

03:51:29 credibility of the ordinance.

03:51:32 So I just wondered how Temple Terrace was able to do that,

03:51:35 if that was something that we were not given the option.

03:51:38 >> I would be glad to look into that.

03:51:41 I am not sure if they are using a different methodology than

03:51:44 what the city uses.




03:51:46 So they would provide exemptions.

03:51:50 I don't know -- and this is another possibility -- that the

03:51:52 city may be assuming the payment of those exemptions so that

03:51:58 they would be providing -- subsidy, right, from any other

03:52:06 legal available funds to support their stormwater utility.

03:52:09 I don't know but I would be glad to look into it.

03:52:12 >>HARRY COHEN: I think that would be a great idea.

03:52:16 Thank you.

03:52:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions?

03:52:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Something you had mentioned regarding

03:52:22 Hillsborough County.

03:52:24 They have an adjustment board for nonassessed property can

03:52:30 bring it back to have it reevaluated.

03:52:32 Is that correct?

03:52:33 >> correct.

03:52:34 An adjustment process.

03:52:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: You know, since we are going to be

03:52:37 considering this stormwater proposal soon, I believe in the

03:52:42 notices that were sent out an few weeks ago, a person has 30

03:52:47 days from the date of the notice in order to question or

03:52:51 have their assessment reevaluated.

03:52:52 Is that correct or no?

03:52:54 >>JAN MCLEAN: That's true.

03:52:56 But the city has the ability to adjust the assessment at any

03:52:59 point in time.




03:53:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: So somebody six months from now were to

03:53:02 say, I feel this is improperly calculated, they can always

03:53:06 bring it forward?

03:53:07 There is no expiration date for that, right?

03:53:10 >>JAN MCLEAN: Correct.

03:53:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other comments or questions at this

03:53:14 time?

03:53:15 I have a couple of things

03:53:20 I have made the statement to you both publicly and

03:53:22 privately.

03:53:25 If we are serious about shall a mitigation credit program,

03:53:28 either do it, or if we don't do it at all, meaning I think

03:53:32 that we should give people the option of being able to

03:53:35 assess property in order to mitigate whatever the runoff is

03:53:39 that then will keep less of a burden off our system, and let

03:53:44 them spend the money versus actually have a better system in

03:53:48 place on this item.

03:53:50 Okay?

03:53:50 And I think I told you the last time we talked, even though

03:53:53 you are not an engineer, that we need to come up with

03:53:57 creative ways of thinking about it.

03:53:59 Here are some ideas that you might want to look at.

03:54:01 And I know I am asking you this legally as opposed to trying

03:54:05 to figure out what the engineering part of it.

03:54:09 We may look at and probably try to figure out if we can have




03:54:13 a baseline of assessment amount, and then any mitigation can

03:54:22 comb after that.

03:54:23 For example, if I have a parcel, you have measured what my

03:54:28 impervious surface is, and I could make the decision to say,

03:54:35 if that much impervious surface in order to bring down my

03:54:38 costs, and I am going to now build something with it, some

03:54:43 other kind of constructive access so that I can actually not

03:54:47 run off into your system and get the credit for it, because

03:54:50 the credits have to have a real meaning in order for it to

03:54:53 be in our system, because it doesn't have a real meaning in

03:54:58 the sense that I want to pay for something, and I want to be

03:55:01 able to say, all right, I'm thinking to put my own property

03:55:06 instead of giving it to you to go into a general fund or to

03:55:09 pay for stormwater.

03:55:10 To me, I think that the idea is that we ought to incentivize

03:55:16 that to make sure that they do invest.

03:55:18 Because in the long runny think it's going to make our

03:55:20 system a stronger system, and I think a much more

03:55:27 environmentally sustainable system if you have people

03:55:29 investing in their own property.

03:55:30 Now, I'm not suggesting that's the only way to go.

03:55:34 I'm just telling you that's the direction of my thinking and

03:55:36 my vision of this, that we need to figure out how to do

03:55:40 this. You don't have the engineering background, but we do

03:55:43 have people that know about engineering.




03:55:45 You kind of line them up and point them in the right

03:55:48 direction.

03:55:48 We need to figure out something that's creative so that when

03:55:51 we point them in the right direction we can actually get

03:55:54 something good out of it so that the people that want to pay

03:55:57 this assessment aren't coming back saying, you know what?

03:56:00 I would love to invest in my land as opposed to giving it to

03:56:04 you and still do the same thing, and I am going to save

03:56:07 2ndand% of what that total bill would be over a

03:56:09 five-year period.

03:56:10 So we need to figure that out.

03:56:12 And we haven't done that yet.

03:56:13 And I think this is a good start.

03:56:18 We might come up with something completely different.

03:56:22 We need to think outside the box.

03:56:24 I don't know.

03:56:24 Either way.

03:56:25 We need to figure it out so we can go forward and not have

03:56:28 to worry about people coming to us and using the mitigation

03:56:30 credit as a reason not to support the stormwater assessment.

03:56:34 >>JAN MCLEAN: And that is the second part of the motion

03:56:38 that Councilman Miranda made back in July, which is I would

03:56:42 come forward today with examples of some other mitigation

03:56:45 credit policies, and then staff would go and study ours and

03:56:51 others, and other ideas, and come back before you in March




03:56:58 with the results of that study and any recommendation to

03:57:02 revise the mitigation credit policy.

03:57:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Terrific.

03:57:05 We like you in terms of your experience and everything else,

03:57:09 there's a young lawyer that walked in, he's probably very

03:57:12 hungry, could go ahead and work on this himself, and we tell

03:57:16 him good idea, and try to figure this out.

03:57:19 Okay?

03:57:20 >>JAN MCLEAN: Okay.

03:57:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other comment or questions for Mrs.

03:57:23 McLean?

03:57:24 Thank you.

03:57:25 All right.

03:57:25 We are on to item number 82.

03:57:28 Mr. Snelling.

03:57:33 Thank you for your patience.

03:57:34 >>THOM SNELLING:

03:57:52 Planning and development here to give a report.

03:57:54 I have one copy of the report.

03:58:00 The report has been updated.

03:58:06 It's online.

03:58:15 And what I am reporting and what I am talking about.

03:58:18 We switched our form a few years ago to go with the report,

03:58:24 and show all of the areas where it explains to people that

03:58:31 whatever has access, the new addition for the current year.




03:58:35 In this year we have added several parks and a lot of

03:58:38 greenways.

03:58:39 You can see that.

03:58:43 Obviously Perry Harvey park.

03:58:46 I am not going to go through the whole thing.

03:58:50 There was a larger infrastructure program, the pumping

03:58:52 station that went online, environmental approval process.

03:59:00 The Tampa augmentation program where they are going to

03:59:03 repump water back into the aquifer.

03:59:09 And talking about water seems to be the most important thing

03:59:14 in our community, whether flooding or we are running out of

03:59:19 drinking water.

03:59:20 And I think a lot of the efforts that we have been working

03:59:23 on in south Florida, what kind of mitigation we can do with

03:59:30 that, what kind of infrastructure that we can do.

03:59:39 The beauty of this is I have a lot of access for our people,

03:59:46 Dr. Berman, I was speaking with him about ten days ago, and

03:59:53 we also have been working -- the college green signs over in

04:00:00 St. Pete, engineering, arts and science, public health,

04:00:03 Patel, and the provost Dr. Wilcox.

04:00:10 The trouble is those are very business gentlemen.

04:00:15 They go on sabbatical, go to retreat, take the summer off.

04:00:20 So getting them at the same place at the same time is a bit

04:00:23 of a challenge but I think it's worth it because of their

04:00:27 intellectual capacity.




04:00:29 It's very attractive obviously.

04:00:34 But that's where the effort is now.

04:00:36 And I have been working with USF, especially with Dr.

04:00:38 Berman.

04:00:39 He and I will continue to do this hopefully sometime this

04:00:42 fall, we will continue to identify three or four very

04:00:45 specific projects.

04:00:49 Also started work with Sean Hollis and some of the people

04:00:53 over at Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council and that overall

04:00:55 effort.

04:00:57 The other thing I noticed in this report, there's been very

04:01:02 little of it.

04:01:03 When people are talking about sustainability, they are

04:01:05 talking all the time about the economy.

04:01:12 It's like a three legged stool.

04:01:14 The economy, environment and social aspect. This report,

04:01:15 the one that I turned in is probably -- not probably, it

04:01:21 is -- predominantly environment.

04:01:24 There are some economics about sustainabilitywise.

04:01:28 But a lot of times, it helps my own "can't see the forest

04:01:35 for the trees," but does not get the attention that it

04:01:39 should be getting, and that we do do quite a bit, it's

04:01:43 through council's actions as well, about the social equity.

04:01:45 A lot of it has to do, going to community fairs in my

04:01:51 division.




04:01:51 A lot of work that they, do housing discrimination, job

04:01:54 discrimination, those kind of things.

04:02:02 Some of the stuff that's happened with minorities.

04:02:07 The park up there is an additional venue for social

04:02:11 activity.

04:02:12 So in my next report I am going to start incorporating a lot

04:02:15 more of those things in there, where you have a picture -- I

04:02:20 only have 20 second, I have to go -- of the overall

04:02:23 sustainable he will elements.

04:02:25 I am doing.

04:02:26 I know Tampa climate change initiative and than the sea

04:02:29 level rising is right there and it's important, and we just

04:02:32 met with Sean on that.

04:02:35 The difficulty is, it's just a challenge.

04:02:41 This is the range of how much it's going to rise in the next

04:02:46 25 years.

04:02:47 (Bell sounds)

04:02:48 Between a half a foot and a foot and a half.

04:02:51 The would Lunns between 4 and 8 inches.

04:02:56 And we have this to try to figure out.

04:02:58 On top of that, he is now under way doing the risk

04:03:01 assessment act in our area.

04:03:03 Probably a two or three-year program.

04:03:06 I'm not a betting man but if I wanted to bet something I

04:03:09 would bet they are not going to lower our flood elevation.




04:03:13 John and I were talking about this before.

04:03:16 And we have in a claw as to what they are going to do.

04:03:19 But they have more sophisticated tools to do the analysis.

04:03:22 So with all of those kind of things will go into the work

04:03:26 that we do with structure resiliency.

04:03:32 There's a lot of character.

04:03:34 It's not just limited.

04:03:38 Three or four counties in the Tampa Bay area that have to

04:03:41 continue to work together, and Regional Planning Council and

04:03:44 Planning Commission has been a pretty good ally in that

04:03:47 regard.

04:03:49 I'll answer any questions you have.

04:03:51 I did get these online and I wanted to go to this format

04:03:56 more than handing out -- a lot of this is stormwater.

04:04:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: You are very green, Mr. Green officer.

04:04:11 >> I know.

04:04:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I think Councilman Montelione has a

04:04:16 question.

04:04:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: A couple.

04:04:18 So one of the questions I have is back to the original

04:04:23 conversation and motion that I had made a long time ago

04:04:26 after workshop that I had was about working with the private

04:04:30 sector and H 2 M hill, I believe, was a company that was

04:04:37 interested in helping us, and they have some really smart

04:04:41 people on their well, the arena.




04:04:46 Like I said, there's a lot of very smart people over there

04:04:53 at my alma mater.

04:04:55 But sometimes the private sector, because they have real

04:05:01 world experience and knowledge of, you know, constructing

04:05:04 buildings and meetings and requirements and different places

04:05:08 around the world which may have stronger regulations than we

04:05:15 do, could be of help to.

04:05:18 >>THOM SNELLING: Well, I have engaged a little bit at that

04:05:26 time.

04:05:30 What happens is when it starts to look a little more like

04:05:37 work, and then a lot of effort on my part, and because it

04:05:44 takes more time to kind of -- you know, perhaps bringing

04:05:52 more people --

04:05:54 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Maybe an isolated project.

04:05:55 So we need -- and the answer is to acted.

04:05:59 Can you help --

04:06:01 >>THOM SNELLING: Right, and that's what we are trying to do

04:06:04 is here are the four things we need help with.

04:06:08 Transportation.

04:06:08 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

04:06:09 >>THOM SNELLING: A big deal right now given the current

04:06:15 state of affairs in our part of the world.

04:06:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So Dr. DeSwanie had written a piece,

04:06:27 appeared as an op-ed piece a while back, where scientists

04:06:30 that he knows has predicted the Zika virus coming north




04:06:34 because of climate change and because the conditions would

04:06:36 be ripe with warmer weather, of different public health

04:06:42 issues that are now coming to bear, and the other scientists

04:06:49 had predicted many years ago.

04:06:51 And, you know, we need to stay ahead of these things and

04:06:54 listen to people of science when they wanted something.

04:06:59 And Mr. Barrios is here.

04:07:03 Are we anticipating -- I know the study is going to come out

04:07:07 of us raising probably, you know, the flood elevation level.

04:07:15 There is already a study.

04:07:16 I know that I have seen as part of, I think, you weren't on

04:07:21 the MCO yet but Councilman Cohen and I had seen a report

04:07:26 come from several -- I can't remember, but it was regarding

04:07:33 our transportation emergency.

04:07:35 Remember that?

04:07:38 >> A very interesting report.

04:07:41 >>LISA MONTELIONE: They were, and they looked at our

04:07:43 emergency -- evacuation routes.

04:07:45 Thank you so much.

04:07:48 It's getting to be a long meeting.

04:07:50 Evacuation routes.

04:07:51 And it was very serious.

04:07:53 Some of those vulnerable parts of the City of Tampa and

04:07:57 roads in the City of Tampa had specifically been lad at.

04:08:00 So I am wondering, are we anticipating changing some of our




04:08:05 own building codes to really have the building community

04:08:14 address these issues now before the first floor of their,

04:08:21 you know, establishments are going to be flooded?

04:08:23 Or, you know, the water is going to come up in the street

04:08:26 lake it does in Miami.

04:08:30 There is a coffee shop Channelside I remember sitting at.

04:08:33 They were sitting with the doctor's daughter JAYA and said

04:08:38 where we are sitting is going to be underwater or at least

04:08:41 the water is going to be up to our ankles in 20 years.

04:08:44 And we don't build buildings to last five years.

04:08:48 We build high-rises that hopefully going to be here a

04:08:51 hundred years like this building is.

04:08:53 So is there anything in our building codes?

04:08:58 >>THOM SNELLING: I think what that's going to need to be

04:09:01 based on is once FEMA establishes what that finished floor

04:09:06 area is for us to say we are going to start requiring --

04:09:11 FEMA requires ten feet now.

04:09:13 We are going to start requiring 12 feet.

04:09:15 The difficulty, I have nothing to base that on until

04:09:19 somebody who does that kind of work says this is what it's

04:09:22 going to be.

04:09:23 And what I showed you with the four different lanes we have

04:09:27 four people saying a foot and a half, other people say two

04:09:31 inches.

04:09:37 I can't -- John can't and the Florida building code is the




04:09:40 code we use and that's a state wide code updated every three

04:09:43 years.

04:09:44 And the current revision was 2016.

04:09:50 2015.

04:09:50 So there will be other revisions.

04:09:52 And there may be an opportunity in that to look at that

04:10:00 stuff.

04:10:01 Because it will come up in 2018.

04:10:04 They are already looking at different kinds of issues.

04:10:08 There was a huge change in the building code right after

04:10:11 hurricane Andrew.

04:10:13 And the answer is yes, people do react to what's happening

04:10:16 in your climate.

04:10:19 And I think now, I think everybody has understood this is

04:10:23 really going to happen, 10 years, 20 years, it doesn't

04:10:26 matter to me, it's going to happen.

04:10:29 And hopefully the building officials who vote and change and

04:10:35 adopted every three years will recognize that.

04:10:38 But that's the code that the City of Tampa follows.

04:10:40 >>LISA MONTELIONE: After these reports come out, not saying

04:10:47 we just take a stab, but there isn't anything that we could

04:10:52 put into effect as a municipality?

04:10:58 >>THOM SNELLING: Once we have the data that will justify

04:11:01 something be put in place, there could be something, yes.

04:11:03 But until that is available --




04:11:06 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Right.

04:11:07 Absolutely.

04:11:08 Thank you.

04:11:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any other questions for Mr. Snelling?

04:11:13 Okay.

04:11:14 Thank you, Thom.

04:11:14 We appreciate it.

04:11:16 All right.

04:11:17 We are at the penultimate item of the day.

04:11:19 Number 83.

04:11:20 Mr. Cohen, this is your item.

04:11:26 Staff talked with you about this item, I think.

04:11:30 >>HARRY COHEN: We had a meeting about this so I will let

04:11:32 staff.

04:11:34 We are going to let you go now.

04:11:35 >> Assistant city attorney Stinson.

04:11:43 I was looking at whether or not we could produce permit fees

04:11:47 for construction.

04:11:49 I took a look at the statutes that are applicable.

04:11:53 Chapter 553 of Florida statutes is the statute that creates

04:12:00 the building code and the jurisdiction to adopt that

04:12:03 building code.

04:12:04 And it has a provision in it.

04:12:06 It's Florida statute 553.80.

04:12:09 And that deals with the enforcement and the application of




04:12:13 permit fees.

04:12:15 It's pretty specific in that statute that it says that

04:12:19 permit fees have to be consistently applied.

04:12:22 It also says that we are required -- that the fees are

04:12:29 required to be proportional to the services that we provide

04:12:32 through the permits.

04:12:35 We are also required by law to charge increased rates when

04:12:40 we do reinspections or have to review plans multiple times.

04:12:46 And the only thing criteria that the statute gives us would

04:12:55 be dealing with a single-family residence.

04:12:58 Then also I think made aware by Sal Territo from the city

04:13:02 attorney's office that we may have some bond commitments

04:13:04 that are connected to permit fees.

04:13:07 So all of that said, the conclusion that we have come to is

04:13:14 that you could alternatively create a grant program.

04:13:19 We would call it a grant, not a rebate, because again the

04:13:24 permit fees need to be consistently applied proportional to

04:13:28 the services.

04:13:29 But at council's pleasure, you could theoretically create a

04:13:32 grant program, and as long as criteria for the applicant for

04:13:38 that grant program, they could apply for that money and then

04:13:40 you have got money toward the --

04:13:47 >>HARRY COHEN: Soap basically what we are talking about is

04:13:49 a grant that could be used for historic preservation

04:13:51 purposes and historic preservation that is funded with




04:13:55 public funds that come from other entities.

04:13:58 That was really where I was going.

04:14:00 I wanted to create a mechanism by which someone doing a

04:14:04 historic preservation project that was funded either

04:14:08 partially or wholly with county or federal dollars would not

04:14:13 have to use those dollars to pay city permit fees.

04:14:19 And I don't want to put words in your mouthed.

04:14:21 What you are saying is we can't do that directly but we

04:14:23 could do it incorrectly by creating a grant program for

04:14:26 those types of projects?

04:14:28 >> Yes, Councilman.

04:14:30 The only thing that I would just point out to you is that it

04:14:34 is very important that the money that goes to fund that

04:14:36 grant program comes from an unrestricted part of the general

04:14:41 fund and not from moneys that are collected through

04:14:44 permitting.

04:14:45 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay.

04:14:48 So the way that we would move forward on such an item would

04:14:51 be that, I think, we would have a motion and direct you to

04:14:56 craft an ordinance creating such a program, but it would be

04:14:59 subject to the mayor's being willing to fund it out of the

04:15:03 general fund dollars?

04:15:05 >> Correct.

04:15:05 >>HARRY COHEN: So I would like to make a motion that we go

04:15:09 ahead and direct you to create that type of program, and




04:15:14 once we have done that, we can determine whether or not

04:15:19 there is interest from the administration in paying for it.

04:15:21 >> Would you like to hear from staff -- I'm sorry.

04:15:26 Would you like to hear from staff on the cost?

04:15:31 >>HARRY COHEN: Well, I'm not all that -- I'm not all that

04:15:35 concerned about it, just based on my own research.

04:15:38 I think it's actually very small.

04:15:40 I think we are talking about a very, very discreet group of

04:15:44 projects here that would even qualify for such an item.

04:15:48 But you could bring us back that information along with the

04:15:53 ordinance.

04:15:54 I mean, clearly, because the mayor would have to agree to

04:15:57 fund it, the cost is really almost a separate issue.

04:16:07 I mean, it's getting late in the afternoon.

04:16:09 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion by Mr. Cohen D.we already

04:16:12 get a second from Mr. Maniscalco?

04:16:14 And Mrs. Montelione, discussion?

04:16:16 >>LISA MONTELIONE: I would support what you are speaking of

04:16:23 so long as it is that narrowly tailored.

04:16:25 I don't want to open the door for this to be so broad

04:16:36 bushed.

04:16:40 Mr. Rope sayer owe doesn't get money out of general funds to

04:16:43 operate and it still costs the same amount similar to the

04:16:46 stormwater discussion.

04:16:47 Still costs the same amount of personnel time to process




04:16:52 Tampa permits, and sometimes longer because some nonprofits

04:16:56 don't have professional staff to run, you know, their

04:17:01 construction, you know, project.

04:17:03 So they sometimes need a little bit more hand holding than

04:17:07 most.

04:17:07 >> It would definitely have to be very narrowly tailored

04:17:15 because that's the only way to process this at a level where

04:17:17 anybody would even entertain.

04:17:19 >>LISA MONTELIONE: And I would like to hear the numbers

04:17:22 since we have been here all afternoon.

04:17:23 >> We don't actually have those.

04:17:27 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

04:17:29 >>MIKE SUAREZ: So we have a motion from Mr. Cohen.

04:17:31 We have a second from Mr. Maniscalco.

04:17:33 Any more discussion on that item?

04:17:39 >> I'm sorry to interrupt.

04:17:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Are you really that sorry?

04:17:42 Go ahead, I apologize.

04:17:43 >> I see that had you would be upset.

04:17:49 I preemptively apologize.

04:17:52 I was hoping we could get a little bit more clarification on

04:17:55 the narrow tailoring aspect that we have been discussing.

04:17:58 >>HARRY COHEN: Okay, so the motion would be to create --

04:18:03 you don't wish to call at rebate, so it would be a grant

04:18:07 program that would cover the permitting costs of historic




04:18:14 preservation projects that are funded by county or federal

04:18:20 grant dollars.

04:18:25 And I could see the city attorney getting ready to stand up.

04:18:31 You know, my purpose here is to prevent taxpayer money from

04:18:36 being gobbled up in the process, of the project, by fees

04:18:43 rather than actual spending on the project itself.

04:18:47 My suggestion was going to be that if you could work on an

04:18:50 ordinance, we could meet about it prior to your bringing it

04:18:54 to council, and rather than setting a specific date for it

04:18:57 to come back, I could make a separate motion.

04:19:11 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

04:19:15 I understand what you are saying.

04:19:16 I think one of the things we also need to look at is what we

04:19:19 currently have in place for both properties and I am

04:19:21 presuming that you are speaking of properties that already

04:19:23 have a designation that are come forward for maybe

04:19:26 renovation by nonprofits or by others, and that way, and of

04:19:32 course even if they are just receiving money, whether or not

04:19:34 they are nonprofit or not from governmental entities, so

04:19:40 there.

04:19:40 May be an opportunity to use existing programs rather than

04:19:43 creating an entire new thing.

04:19:46 So if you can give us some time to look at those issues, and

04:19:48 probably bring from Dennis Fernandez, historic preservation

04:19:52 office, to give more guidance on that.




04:19:55 >>HARRY COHEN: That's a great point.

04:19:56 You I think by restricting it to those designated types of

04:20:00 structures, that will in and of itself floor oh it

04:20:03 considerably.

04:20:04 Because nothing would be eligible for it that wasn't already

04:20:07 designated.

04:20:07 >>JULIA MANDELL: So I would ask you for time.

04:20:15 >>HARRY COHEN: A date certain.

04:20:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion.

04:20:17 Clerk, do you understand the motion?

04:20:19 >> I would ask them to repeat it.

04:20:21 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I knew that was going to happen.

04:20:23 >>HARRY COHEN: We are going look at creating a very

04:20:28 narrow -- ask the legal department to create a very narrowly

04:20:32 tailored ordinance covering local landmark designated

04:20:36 properties that are undergoing historic preservation

04:20:41 renovation, and to create a grant program to cover

04:20:50 permitting, costs and fees, paid to the city using federal

04:20:59 and/or state or county grant dollars.

04:21:02 So we are very specifically talking about taxpayer money

04:21:07 being used to pay for permits and fees in already landmarked

04:21:12 structures.

04:21:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Okay, the motion by Mr. Cohen, the second by

04:21:18 Mr. Maniscalco.

04:21:19 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.




04:21:22 Any opposed?

04:21:24 Okay.

04:21:24 Thank you very much.

04:21:25 I appreciate it.

04:21:26 Now, the final item.

04:21:28 Number 84.

04:21:31 What do they say, last but not least?

04:21:34 >>JULIA MANDELL: City attorney.

04:21:35 I recognize that you had asked for our purchasing manager to

04:21:39 address this item.

04:21:40 However, I think that it is in Democratic negotiations and

04:21:43 thought it would be more appropriate for me to address it.

04:21:46 As you know, had we have been in ongoing discussion was our

04:21:48 vendor ATS regarding our agreement and moving forward with

04:21:53 an amended agreement to allow it to be extended.

04:21:58 We are in the final parts of our discussion, and we are in

04:22:02 the process of trying to get some of the items finalized.

04:22:05 And it is our goal and my belief that we will have something

04:22:09 to City Council within the next 30 days.

04:22:12 Prior to anything going to City Council for review, it is my

04:22:16 intention to meet with you all individually and discuss what

04:22:18 is within the body of that to be able to ask me those

04:22:22 questions privately and then we can have a discussion if

04:22:25 necessary at the time the contract comes forward.

04:22:27 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Any questions or comments?




04:22:31 Mr. Reddick.

04:22:32 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me say this.

04:22:35 We have had quite a few discussions with regards to these

04:22:39 red light cameras, and this contract negotiation.

04:22:44 And we have got to reach a point where we have to draw the

04:22:49 line.

04:22:50 And closure here.

04:22:53 Because I don't think it's fair that people continue to be

04:22:58 ticketed out there in the community.

04:23:01 I received one about a month ago.

04:23:03 And I challenged it because I don't think it's fair that a

04:23:08 person be ticketed when we don't actually have a contract,

04:23:12 you know.

04:23:12 We have got an agreement that we can extend it until we come

04:23:17 up with an agreement contract, because this council doesn't

04:23:23 have a renewable contract.

04:23:24 So technically we don't have a contract, but people are

04:23:27 still out there being ticketed and people paying a feign,

04:23:30 and I came close, very close, to not paying that $86 because

04:23:41 a ticket about a month ago and challenge it and challenge it

04:23:44 in court.

04:23:45 But because of sitting up here, I didn't want all the

04:23:49 publicity to gone with it.

04:23:51 >> You will get it now.

04:23:53 (Laughter).




04:23:54 >> I would be happy to add that.

04:23:56 (Laughter)

04:23:59 I would be happy to add that.

04:24:02 Please keep in mind this is an extension of time and wasn't

04:24:05 even just a monetary issue.

04:24:07 Because of pending litigation that's been going on.

04:24:10 One of the bigger issues that we have been looking at is the

04:24:13 mirror language related to the indemnification provision,

04:24:15 and so going through that process has taken some time.

04:24:21 I felt it was very important to look at those issues.

04:24:24 I felt that it was in the best interest to look at those

04:24:28 issues.

04:24:29 And it was something that was very important.

04:24:31 As I said, we are in the final end of the discussion.

04:24:35 I would be happy to have a discussion with you offline as to

04:24:38 the validity of any ticket that might be occurring at this

04:24:41 moment versus whether or not the question of being in a

04:24:45 contract would have that validity.

04:24:46 I don't think it's appropriate to have that on the record at

04:24:49 this time.

04:24:49 But like I said, I want to let you know where we are.

04:24:56 I think it's going to be sooner than 30 days but I wanted

04:24:59 council to have the time and the ability to have meetings

04:25:01 with staff and with myself prior to putting that on the

04:25:03 agenda.




04:25:04 That way you are fully informed prior to that meeting.

04:25:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: Let me just say this.

04:25:12 If it takes more than 30 days, then shouldn't this council

04:25:15 make the decision to just say do not go forward in

04:25:18 hindsight?

04:25:21 >>JULIA MANDELL: I would have no problem if you want to

04:25:23 continue this item for 30 days and if I don't have something

04:25:26 to you within the 30 day time period we can start to make

04:25:28 some different decisions.

04:25:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right.

04:25:31 Then I am going to make a motion, you say 30 days from day?

04:25:42 >>JULIA MANDELL: I have no problem with that finance that's

04:25:44 the will of council.

04:25:45 >>HARRY COHEN: October 6th would be our first meeting.

04:25:49 >>FRANK REDDICK: All right, I make a motion that legal

04:25:53 department report back to us on October the 6th of

04:25:59 whether they have reached an agreement with the company

04:26:02 pertaining to red light cameras.

04:26:04 If not, I ask Tampa council make a decision whether we want

04:26:08 to move forward with an extension or end this contract.

04:26:11 >> Second.

04:26:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Reddick.

04:26:15 I have a second by Mr. Maniscalco.

04:26:17 I have the discussion.

04:26:18 Mrs. Montelione.




04:26:18 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Thank you.

04:26:26 Ms. Mandell.

04:26:28 Thank you.

04:26:30 We approve contracts here when they come to us after they

04:26:34 have been prepared by staff as agenda items.

04:26:37 But with the charter question again, under our charter, can

04:26:43 we direct the legal department to cease negotiating with a

04:26:48 vendor?

04:26:50 >>JULIA MANDELL, no you cannot, but you can advise me

04:26:53 that -- you could advise me at that time whether or not you

04:26:57 feel that you would be no position if you were brought a

04:27:01 contract as to whether or not you would vote it up or down.

04:27:04 But with that said, I'm very confident that you will have

04:27:10 something in front of you in the next 30 days.

04:27:12 But I understand Mr. Reddick's point of the concern about

04:27:15 this being an ongoing issue.

04:27:17 >>LISA MONTELIONE: Okay.

04:27:18 I just wanted clarification.

04:27:20 >>MIKE SUAREZ: We have a motion on the floor.

04:27:24 Any more discussion on this particular item?

04:27:27 All in favor of that motion please indicate by saying aye.

04:27:29 Any opposed?

04:27:31 Okay.

04:27:31 I think our agenda is now clear.

04:27:34 Information reports and new business by council members.




04:27:36 Mr. Reddick.

04:27:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: Yes.

04:27:38 Just one item on behalf of Councilman Miranda.

04:27:43 He's requesting a commendation for Allan Marlborough to

04:27:47 celebrate his retirement after 30-plus years at TPD to the

04:27:53 City of Tampa to present to him at a ceremony.

04:27:57 >>HARRY COHEN: Second.

04:28:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: All in favor of that motion? Any opposed?

04:28:03 Anything else, sir?

04:28:04 Mr. Cohen.

04:28:04 >>HARRY COHEN: Two quick items, Mr. Chairman.

04:28:07 The first is I would like to ask council for a commendation

04:28:10 to be presented to Charles Scruggs family on September

04:28:19 1st, 2016 at 9 a.m. under ceremonial activities.

04:28:22 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Motion by Mr. Cohen.

04:28:25 Second by Mrs. Montelione.

04:28:26 All in favor?

04:28:28 >>HARRY COHEN: And the second is that citizens advisory

04:28:31 board on the budget to present their recommendations and

04:28:34 comments to us at our first budget public hearing on

04:28:38 September 7th, 2016.

04:28:41 And I believe that is at 5:01 p.m.

04:28:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I have a motion from Mr. Cohen, a second

04:28:47 from Mrs. Montelione.

04:28:48 All in favor of that motion?




04:28:50 Anything else, sir?

04:28:51 Thank you

04:28:52 Mr. Maniscalco, anything?

04:28:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: Just a couple items.

04:28:55 Tuesday is primary election day and I ask that everybody, if

04:28:58 they haven't done so already, to please go out and vote.

04:29:01 It's very important.

04:29:02 Also be careful.

04:29:03 We have some terrible weather coming our way.

04:29:05 But something was mentioned this morning that I want to

04:29:08 reiterate is Monsignor Higgins, could you call him a living

04:29:16 legend, an icon, so many things.

04:29:18 But he will be irreplaceable.

04:29:21 The impact that he's had on this community, and so many

04:29:24 people, there really are no words to describe.

04:29:27 But I will say something that he mentioned and he said that

04:29:33 he gave last year was some words of wisdom and they are

04:29:36 never condemn anybody, instead love them and pray for them.

04:29:40 So very, very important words and words we should live by.

04:29:44 And I just wanted to say that.

04:29:45 Thank you very much.

04:29:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Mrs. Montelione, you are next.

04:29:49 >>LISA MONTELIONE: So Monsignor Higgins is joined by

04:29:54 Captain Bob Silah who some of you may remember we had here

04:30:00 at council to give him a commendation for Operation Helping




04:30:03 Hand.

04:30:04 He established Operation Helping Hand to provide the

04:30:08 veterans who are recuperating at James A. Haley hospital in

04:30:16 camaraderie with other retired military, and every month

04:30:20 they have a wonderful dinner out at James A. Haley.

04:30:25 I have been a regular attendee.

04:30:27 And I am wearing the operation helping hand pin that he gave

04:30:30 me in his honor.

04:30:32 But he will be greatly missed.

04:30:36 He was key in establishing and was a former president of the

04:30:42 Carrollwood business association.

04:30:45 In his retirement he may be busier than he ever had been.

04:30:49 And he will be missed by many in the community.

04:30:54 He went above and beyond, and he was just a kind, lovable

04:31:00 man.

04:31:00 >>MIKE SUAREZ: Anything else, Mrs. Montelione?

04:31:05 I need a motion to receive and file.

04:31:07 I have a motion by Mr. Cohen.

04:31:08 Second by Mr. Maniscalco.

04:31:10 All in favor of that motion indicate by saying aye.

04:31:12 Any opposed?

04:31:13 Anyone in the public want to speak at this time on any item?

04:31:15 I see no one.

04:31:17 We are adjourned until 6:00 p.m.

04:37:43






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