TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS SPECIAL CALL SESSION
TUESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2025, 9:00 A.M.
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09:01:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:02:00AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
09:02:03AM MEETING TO ORDER.
09:02:04AM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:02:05AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:02:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
09:02:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
09:02:14AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
09:02:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:02:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:02:19AM >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:02:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER THE
09:02:23AM PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:02:24AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:02:26AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:02:30AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:02:32AM THIS IS A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP TODAY ON JANUARY 28.
09:02:36AM IT IS A TUESDAY.
09:02:37AM AND TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED
09:02:44AM TO THE SUBJECT OF THE SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP.
09:02:46AM THAT IS PER COUNCIL'S RULES.
09:02:48AM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ONCE FOR
09:02:51AM THREE MINUTES AFTER PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
09:02:55AM NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT WORKSHOPS PER COUNCIL'S REVISED
09:03:00AM RULES AT THE START OF A WORKSHOP MEETING.
09:03:05AM THANK YOU.
09:03:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:03:07AM ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE SIX ITEMS HERE ON THIS -- ON THIS
09:03:13AM WORKSHOP AGENDA.
09:03:14AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:03:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE TO LEAVE COUNCIL CHAMBERS FIVE
09:03:21AM MINUTES TO 11:00.
09:03:22AM I CAN BE BACK IF -- IF THIS WORKSHOP IS CONTINUING
09:03:26AM INTO THE AFTERNOON.
09:03:26AM BUT ITEM NUMBER 3 IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA
09:03:30AM FOR QUITE SOME TIME THAT I HAD PLACED ON IT.
09:03:33AM AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT
09:03:36AM DISCUSSION.
09:03:36AM SO IF WE CAN MOVE THAT FORWARD JUST IN CASE WE RUN OUT OF
09:03:40AM TIME, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09:03:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU NEED TO LEAVE BY 10:50.
09:03:45AM I THINK WE WILL GET THERE.
09:03:46AM WE WILL TAKE IT UP CLOSER TO THAT TIME.
09:03:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU JUST NEVER KNOW.
09:03:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PER OUR RULES.
09:03:51AM WE WANT TO FINISH WORKSHOPS BY 1:00.
09:03:56AM A VERY LONG NIGHT MEETING TONIGHT.
09:03:58AM START WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
09:04:00AM WHO IS GOING TO KICK IT OFF?
09:04:02AM THE ADMINISTRATION, LEGAL STAFF AND THE BOARD OF REALTORS TO
09:04:05AM DISCUSS WAYS TO GO AFTER THE SELLERS INSTEAD OF BUYERS THAT
09:04:09AM ARE CITED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR ISSUES CREATED BY THE
09:04:12AM SELLERS.
09:04:12AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A POINT OF ORDER REAL
09:04:15AM FAST.
09:04:15AM NOT ABOUT ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR PRESENTATIONS, BUT I HAVE
09:04:19AM NOTICED RECENTLY IN -- IN STAFF PRESENTATIONS, YOU KNOW, OUR
09:04:23AM RULES SAY WHILE THE STAFF REPRESENTING -- WE ARE NOT ALLOWED
09:04:26AM TO INTERRUPT THEM AND ASK QUESTIONS AND DISPUTE WHAT THEY
09:04:29AM SAY.
09:04:29AM BUT LATELY WHEN I HAVE BEEN MAKING STATEMENTS, STAFF HAS
09:04:33AM INTERRUPTED ME.
09:04:34AM AND THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE COME FORWARD TO MAKE STATEMENTS.
09:04:37AM AND WHEN I PUSH BACK AND SAID I AM ONLY ASKING A QUESTION.
09:04:41AM THEN OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL SAY I WILL LIKE TO HAVE
09:04:45AM YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
09:04:46AM I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD MAKE THIS AN OFFICIAL RULE OR NOT,
09:04:49AM PROVIDING THE STAFF OF THE COURTESY OF NOT INTERRUPTING
09:04:52AM THEM.
09:04:53AM I APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD HIT THE GAVEL IF STAFF INTERRUPTS
09:04:56AM US, BECAUSE IT -- MANY TIMES I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
09:04:59AM I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF.
09:05:01AM I HEARD WHAT THEY HAD TO STAY.
09:05:04AM I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
09:05:07AM THAT'S IT.
09:05:08AM IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.
09:05:10AM I PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A STATEMENT.
09:05:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I COME FROM --
09:05:14AM AND I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:05:17AM WHAT WORKS FOR US SHOULD WORK FOR THEM.
09:05:20AM THEY SHOULDN'T INTERRUPT US, AND WE SHOULDN'T INTERRUPT THEM.
09:05:25AM WHAT A GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER WHAT THEY
09:05:29AM SAY IN YBOR CITY.
09:05:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
09:05:32AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND THAT IS
09:05:34AM IMPORTANT.
09:05:35AM SOMETIMES INTERVENING WITH A QUESTION IS DIFFERENT THAN
09:05:39AM INTERRUPTING, BUT I WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AND THAT IS WHAT
09:05:42AM IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
09:05:42AM THE RULE IS NOT SPECIFIC ABOUT -- ABOUT WHEN WE DO IT,
09:05:48AM CORRECT?
09:05:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME READ TO COUNCIL RULE 4-G OF
09:05:52AM PARLIAMENTARY POLICIES.
09:05:54AM COUNCILMEMBERS SHALL NOT INTERRUPT A STAFF PRESENTATION AND
09:05:57AM INSTEAD NOTE THE QUESTION OR COMMENT AND HOLD IT UNTIL
09:06:00AM RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR DURING Q&A.
09:06:03AM STAFF SHOULD INCLUDE NATURAL STARTING POINT FOR Q&A DURING
09:06:08AM PRESENTATIONS.
09:06:09AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: NATURAL STOPPING POINTS.
09:06:11AM NOT AN INTERRUPTION
09:06:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT YOUR RULE STATES.
09:06:14AM YOU ALSO HAVE RULES ABOUT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU INTEND TO
09:06:17AM HAVE A TIMER SET TODAY.
09:06:18AM YOU HAVE RULES OF HOW LONG COUNCILMEMBERS CAN SPEAK FOR
09:06:21AM FIRST ROUND AND OFF RULE THAT SAYS EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO
09:06:24AM SPEAK BEFORE SECOND ROUND.
09:06:25AM AND THEN YOU HAVE TIMING FOR THE SECOND ROUND AS WELL.
09:06:28AM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL INTENDS TO DO IT.
09:06:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL HAVE THE TIMER ON.
09:06:33AM KEEP IT ORGANIZED.
09:06:34AM YES, SIR?
09:06:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: MY POINT IS EXACTLY THAT.
09:06:37AM WE -- IN OUR RULES, WE PROVIDE PROPER RESPECT FOR STAFF AND
09:06:40AM I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO DO THE SAME THING.
09:06:42AM I DON'T WANT TO BE INTERRUPTED AND QUESTIONED WHEN I AM
09:06:45AM MAKING A STATEMENT.
09:06:46AM I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
09:06:48AM IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION, THEY CAN.
09:06:50AM BUT I APPRECIATE THE CHAIR -- WE CAN MAKE A RULE ABOUT IT
09:06:53AM LATER BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CHAIR TO HELP HIT THE GAVEL
09:06:56AM IF STAFF DECIDES TO HAVE AN ARGUMENT.
09:06:58AM AN ARGUMENT -- IF I AM MAKING A STATEMENT I AM NOT ASKING
09:07:01AM QUESTIONS, I EXPECT THEM TO GIVE ME THE SAME PRIVILEGE THAT
09:07:04AM I GIVE THEM.
09:07:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:07:05AM WE WILL KICK IT OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
09:07:08AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
09:07:10AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:07:11AM >>JC HUDGISON: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, JC HUDGISON, CHIEF
09:07:22AM BUILDING OFFICIAL.
09:07:23AM THIS ITEM FOR ADMINISTRATION TO REACH OUT TO THE BOARD OF
09:07:26AM REALTORS TO DISCUSS WAYS TO GO AFTER SELLERS INSTEAD OF
09:07:29AM BUYERS.
09:07:30AM THERE WAS A MEMO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT WAS
09:07:34AM PROVIDED.
09:07:35AM KIND OF DRAWING THAT LINE THAT ONCE IT PASSED THAT, IT
09:07:38AM BECOMES MORE OF A CIVIL ISSUE.
09:07:39AM BUT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, MORE OF THE WORK ON
09:07:43AM CONSTRUCTION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY HAS MOVED FROM CODE
09:07:46AM ENFORCEMENT OVER TO CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
09:07:48AM SO WE ARE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND
09:07:52AM PARTS OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT WAS TO
09:07:55AM EDUCATE.
09:07:55AM WHAT WE DID IS WE WENT TO GTAR.
09:07:58AM WE WENT TO THEIR OFFICES ON JANUARY 14.
09:08:01AM WE HAD A THREE-HOUR SEMINAR.
09:08:03AM WE HAD 45, 50 REALTORS PRESENT.
09:08:06AM AND WE WENT OVER HOW TO SEARCH A PERMIT.
09:08:09AM HOW TO SEEK THIS INFORMATION.
09:08:11AM HOW TO HAVE AN EXPIRED PERMIT OR AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT.
09:08:15AM THEY ARE BETTER EDUCATED BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THE CITIZENS
09:08:17AM ARE SEEING.
09:08:18AM IF THEY ARE TRYING TO BUY OR SELL A PROPERTY, THE REALTOR IS
09:08:21AM THE FRONT LINE BEFORE THEY SEE US UNFORTUNATELY ON THE
09:08:24AM ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
09:08:26AM WE HAD A THREE-HOUR SESSION.
09:08:27AM WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT LONG.
09:08:29AM TWO HOURS.
09:08:29AM AND A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND BACK AND FORTH AND ENDED UP BEING
09:08:32AM A THREE-HOUR SESSION AND GO OVER INFORMATION, PROVIDE THAT
09:08:36AM EDUCATION, PROVIDE AN E-MAIL.
09:08:38AM EVEN IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION.
09:08:39AM THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO IN THE CITY TO CONTACT QUESTION OF
09:08:45AM CONSTRUCTION AND PERMITTING.
09:08:46AM A SNAPSHOT FOR E-MAILS AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO REACH
09:08:50AM OUT FOR PERMITTING ISSUES, HOW TO RESOLVE VIOLATIONS A
09:08:54AM ANYTHING ELSE.
09:08:54AM WE HAVE JACOB RENEL FROM GTAR THAT WAS PART OF THIS -- THE
09:08:59AM SEMINAR.
09:09:00AM AND WE CAN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:09:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THIS WAS YOUR
09:09:04AM MOTION.
09:09:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE -- FOR CLARITY SAKE.
09:09:07AM THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF TOUCH AND GOES, AND GOES AND
09:09:13AM TOUCH, BUT WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE FROM A REALTOR THAT HE IS
09:09:16AM RENTING TO THE SELLER.
09:09:17AM AND I AM TRYING TO COVER ALL BASES SO THAT NOBODY GETS SUED
09:09:20AM ON BOTH SIDES.
09:09:21AM AND -- AND SO I OWN THE HOUSE.
09:09:24AM AND 15 YEARS AGO, I ADDED A CARPORT AND CLOSED IT.
09:09:29AM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, A GARAGE ATTACHED TO THE
09:09:33AM HOUSE WITHOUT A PERMIT.
09:09:34AM OR PERMIT CAN'T BE FOUND.
09:09:37AM I SELL IT TO YOU.
09:09:38AM BUT YOU ARE NOT AWARE THAT I DID THAT.
09:09:43AM THE REALTOR IS NOT AWARE THAT I DID THAT.
09:09:47AM WHY?
09:09:48AM THERE IS NO -- EVEN YOU GO SEE AN ATTORNEY AND HE GOES
09:09:51AM THROUGH THE WHOLE FILE AND THEY CHECK ALL THE RECORDS IN THE
09:09:55AM COURTHOUSE.
09:09:56AM AND THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THAT
09:09:58AM PROPERTY.
09:09:59AM IT IS THE SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE I FIXED IT AND AFTER I FIXED
09:10:03AM IT.
09:10:04AM SO THEN YOU BUY THE UNIT.
09:10:08AM YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT.
09:10:10AM YOU TURN IT -- HE OR SHE DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
09:10:16AM THEY CHECK THE RECORDS ALL IN THE COURTHOUSE.
09:10:18AM THERE IS NO LIEN.
09:10:20AM NO PERMIT.
09:10:21AM NO NOTHING.
09:10:22AM NOW, SIR, YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
09:10:25AM AND YOU SAY, OH, I BOUGHT A NICE HOUSE.
09:10:27AM I PAID EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH AND THE REALTOR
09:10:32AM DID A GREAT JOB.
09:10:33AM ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY COMES -- [KNOCKING]
09:10:37AM -- I'M HERE TO DO YOU A FAVOR.
09:10:39AM WHAT IS THE FAVOR?
09:10:40AM THE FAVOR IS, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW.
09:10:42AM WHAT LAW DID I VIOLATE?
09:10:44AM WELL, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THE -- THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID ALL
09:10:48AM OF THIS WITHOUT A CONTRACT AND NOW THEY WANT YOU TO FIX IT.
09:10:52AM PUT IT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.
09:10:54AM WELL, YOU WEREN'T EVEN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHEN IT
09:11:02AM HAPPENED.
09:11:02AM AND THEY WILL PUT IF ON YOUR SHOULDER I THINK THAT IS THE
09:11:08AM WRONG WAY OF DOING BUSINESS.
09:11:09AM YOU SHOULD NEVER DO THAT.
09:11:11AM IN ANY INSTANCE.
09:11:13AM HOLD ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE LIBEL FOR AN ACCIDENT I WASN'T EVEN
09:11:17AM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHEN IT HAPPENED.
09:11:20AM IT IS THE SAME THING ON A DIFFERENT VENUE.
09:11:22AM WHAT A I AM TRYING TO DO OR COUNCIL IS TRYING TO DO POSSIBLY
09:11:26AM IS TO CHANGE THAT SO THAT THE RIGHT PERSON WHO DID IT -- MAY
09:11:31AM NOT BE THE RIGHT FERN BECAUSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TWO OR THREE
09:11:34AM TIMES PRIOR.
09:11:35AM WHERE DO YOU GO WITH IT?
09:11:37AM I TELL YOU WHERE YOU GO WITH IT.
09:11:39AM AT THE TIME I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE REALTOR SHOULD DO THIS.
09:11:45AM WHOEVER IS SELLING THE HOUSE TO GET YOU OFF THE HOOK, THE
09:11:51AM BUYER OFF THE HOOK.
09:11:52AM AND THE SELLER IS THE ONE WHO DID IT BY SAYING THAT HE OR
09:11:55AM SHE DID NOT ALTER THE HOUSE.
09:11:57AM THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT SOMEBODY PRIOR TO HIM DIDN'T DO IT.
09:12:01AM SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
09:12:05AM I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT WE ARE DOING A MEDIOCRE JOB IN
09:12:09AM REPORTING ALL THESE CODE ENFORCEMENTS IN THE COURTHOUSE WHAT
09:12:13AM WAS DONE IN CHANGING THE HOUSE.
09:12:20AM HOW DO WE FIX THAT OR DO WE FIX IT AT ALL?
09:12:24AM I DON'T KNOW.
09:12:24AM I AM ASKING FOR HELP BECAUSE I DON'T WANT -- I DON'T WANT TO
09:12:28AM PUT SOMEBODY IN JAIL IF HE OR SHE DIDN'T DO THE CRIME.
09:12:31AM AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE DOING.
09:12:33AM DON'T HAVE A JAIL TIME, BUT YOU ARE BEING SERVED AND YOU
09:12:38AM KNOW HOW NERVOUS IT MUST BE WHEN YOU ARE A NOVICE.
09:12:41AM YOU BOUGHT YOUR FIRST HOUSE, LET'S SAY.
09:12:43AM AND YOU ARE HAPPY AND YOUR HUSBAND IS HAPPY, YOUR WIFE IS
09:12:46AM HAPPY, AND KIDS ARE HAPPY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN -- [KNOCKING]
09:12:52AM -- I'M HERE TO HELP YOU.
09:12:53AM YOU HAVE NOT KNOCKED DOWN THE SCREENED PORCH BECAUSE WASN'T
09:12:57AM THERE TEN YEARS AGO.
09:12:58AM HOW IS THAT FAIR?
09:13:11AM >>JC HUDGISON: WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE REALTORS, ONE OF THE THINGS
09:13:13AM -- THERE IS A NEW STATE LAW.
09:13:15AM IDEALLY, IF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN UNDISTURBED FOR OVER SIX
09:13:19AM YEARS, IT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED.
09:13:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT?
09:13:24AM >>JC HUDGISON: ADMINISTRATIVELY CLOSED.
09:13:26AM WORK WAS DONE PREVIOUS BUYER OR CURRENT BUYER, IF THAT PORCH
09:13:30AM ADDITION HAS BEEN THERE FOR MORE THAN SIX YEARS.
09:13:32AM WE SEE IT IS NOT FALLING APART OR OTHER ISSUE, WE CAN CLOSE
09:13:36AM THE VIOLATION.
09:13:37AM IDEALLY, THAT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK, BUT AT LEAST
09:13:40AM ANYTHING SIX YEARS AND OLDER, THOSE CASES ARE BEING CLOSED.
09:13:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEBODY WHO IS WITHIN
09:13:46AM THE SIX YEARS?
09:13:50AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN I JUMP IN FOR A MINUTE.
09:13:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL TAKE TWO FOR ONE.
09:13:54AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR.
09:13:58AM WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE NUMBER ONE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE
09:14:01AM AND IN THE SCENARIO YOU JUST GAVE IN THE CAR.
09:14:04AM FOR THE SCENARIO.
09:14:05AM LET'S SAY THE CARPORT WAS NOT BUILT RIGHT AND WE WENT
09:14:09AM THROUGH TWO HURRICANES AND THAT CAR.
09:14:10AM PORT BLOWS OFF AND SMACKS INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUSE.
09:14:14AM IT IS REALLY A PRIVATE PROPERTY MATTER BETWEEN THE BUYER AND
09:14:18AM THE SELLER.
09:14:18AM BUT IF THE CITY KNOWS THAT SOMETHING WAS NOT PERMITTED
09:14:21AM PROPERLY, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BRING THEM INTO
09:14:25AM COMPLIANCE.
09:14:25AM OUR GOAL IS NOT TO SEND THEM TO JAIL OR TO PUT THEM UNDER
09:14:29AM VIOLATION.
09:14:30AM AND WE DON'T GO OUT AND SEEK THOSE TO SAY, OH, YOU BUILT
09:14:36AM THAT WITHOUT A PERMIT.
09:14:37AM IF IT COMES IN AND YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE AND IT COMES
09:14:40AM TO OUR ATTENTION, WE WILL WORK WITH THE NEW HOMEOWNER TO TRY
09:14:43AM TO HELP THEM TO GET THAT PERMITTED, RIGHT.
09:14:45AM TO ENSURE THAT IT CAN MEET THE WIND LOAD AND AFFIXED TO THE
09:14:50AM HOUSE.
09:14:50AM SOME PEOPLE DO THIS, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT WE HAD TWO
09:14:53AM HURRICANES IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS.
09:14:54AM UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE STRUCTURES ARE NOT SAFE.
09:14:57AM I HAD PEOPLE COME IN AND REMOVED LOAD-BEARING WALLS AND I
09:15:02AM DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMEONE IN THAT HOUSE KNOWING THAT THAT
09:15:04AM ROOF COULD FALL AND KILL SOMEONE.
09:15:06AM SO WE TRY TO REALLY WORK AND GET COMPLIANCE WHETHER THEY ARE
09:15:10AM THE ONES WHO DID IT OR NOT.
09:15:13AM ULTIMATELY FOR THEM TO HAVE A SAFE HOME OR A SAFE BUSINESS.
09:15:16AM AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY MAY NEED TO GO BACK ON THE
09:15:19AM SELLER.
09:15:20AM BUT WE CAN'T -- IF WE KNOW IT IS NOT PERMITTED PROPERLY.
09:15:23AM WE NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO ENSURE IT IS.
09:15:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT I
09:15:28AM DO NOT AGREE WITH IT.
09:15:29AM SIX TIMES IS A TIME IN HISTORY ONLY.
09:15:32AM NOT IN A TIME SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING.
09:15:35AM YOU ARE STILL -- THE ONE YOU ARE GOING AFTER IS THE ONE WHO
09:15:39AM PURCHASES THE HOUSE, THE BUYER, NOT THE SELLER.
09:15:41AM THE SELLER MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN BECAUSE TWO OR THREE
09:15:45AM SALES BEFORE THAT THAT SOMEBODY DID IT.
09:15:48AM WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THERE IS A WAY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT
09:15:51AM EVIDENTLY, WE DON'T DO THAT.
09:15:52AM ONLY TIME OF SALE -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE.
09:15:55AM AT TIME OF SALE IS ONLY WHEN YOU COMPARE FROM THE PROPERTY
09:15:58AM APPRAISER'S OFFICE, THE VIDEO OF THE SATELLITE WHERE THE
09:16:03AM PRESENT HOUSE.
09:16:04AM SEE IF THEY MATCH.
09:16:05AM DON'T YOU?
09:16:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TIME
09:16:10AM OF SALE.
09:16:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THE GARAGE WAS BUILT
09:16:14AM OR NOT BUILT?
09:16:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF THEY COME IN AND WANT TO CONVERT THE
09:16:18AM GARAGE TO LIVING SPACE AND WE SEE THAT THE GARAGE WAS NEVER
09:16:21AM PERMITTED, WE WOULD KNOW THEN.
09:16:23AM WE DON'T LOOK AT ANYTHING AT TIME OF SALE.
09:16:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAYBE WE SHOULD.
09:16:28AM SATELLITES THAT GO ALL OVER THIS CITY THAT LOOK AT THOSE
09:16:31AM THINGS.
09:16:32AM AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE INDIVIDUALS
09:16:34AM THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAVE BEEN ALERTED ON IT.
09:16:38AM THAT IS WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE THING.
09:16:40AM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PUNISHED FOR BUYING A HOUSE THAT
09:16:43AM SOMEBODY ELSE MADE.
09:16:44AM LIKE ME GOING TO JAIL FOR MY COUSIN ROBBING THE BANK.
09:16:47AM IT DOESN'T WORK.
09:16:49AM YES, MA'AM.
09:16:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
09:16:54AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE
09:16:55AM LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
09:16:55AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:16:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:16:58AM >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED A MEMO -- I
09:17:00AM PROVIDED A MEMO I PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY WHEN THIS MOTION WAS
09:17:04AM INITIALLY MADE BY COUNCIL MIRANDA.
09:17:06AM NOTHING IN MY MEMO HAS CHANGED.
09:17:07AM EVERYTHING IS STILL THE SAME.
09:17:09AM I WANT TO ENCOURAGE CITY COUNCIL THAT CITY STAFF IS NOT
09:17:14AM AWARE AND DOES NOT BECOME AWARE WHEN A CONTRACT IS ENTERED
09:17:21AM INTO PRIVATE BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS FOR THE MUCH
09:17:24AM FROM AND SALE OF A PROPERTY.
09:17:25AM WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL JC HUDGISON'S STAFF IS TASKED
09:17:31AM WITH IS ENFORCING THE CODE AND NOT WORK -- TRYING TO FIGURE
09:17:35AM OUT WHEN A PROPERTY SELLS OR -- WHEN A PROPERTY IS UP FOR
09:17:39AM SALE.
09:17:39AM SO SINCE MR. JC HUDGISON'S STAFF AND KEITH O'CONNOR'S STAFF
09:17:48AM ARE TASKED WITH ENFORCING OUR CODE.
09:17:51AM WHEN THEY ARE AWARE OF THE VIOLATION, THEIR TASK IS TO CITE
09:17:54AM THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
09:17:54AM AS STATED IN MY MEMO ACCORDING TO FLORIDA STATUTE, IF CODE
09:18:00AM ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DETERMINES THERE IS IN FACT A
09:18:02AM VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE, THAT LIEN IS FILED ON
09:18:06AM THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE.
09:18:09AM THAT IS THE PURPOSE AND THE DIRECTION GIVEN BY FLORIDA
09:18:14AM STATUTE.
09:18:14AM IT IS NOT THE DIRECTION OF OUR LEGISLATURE TO GO FIGURE OUT
09:18:19AM WHEN A PROPERTY IS FOR SALE, WHO SOLD IT, WHEN IT WAS SOLD,
09:18:22AM WHO DID WORK, ETC.
09:18:24AM IT IS THE BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BRING THAT
09:18:28AM PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
09:18:29AM THE ISSUE OR THE DISCUSSION OR THE CONCERN BETWEEN THE
09:18:33AM SELLER NOT DISCLOSING THAT INFORMATION TO THE BUYER.
09:18:36AM THAT IS A PRIVATE MATTER.
09:18:38AM THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BETWEEN THE SELLER AND THE BUYER, NOT
09:18:42AM WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:18:43AM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ENFORCING A CONTRACT.
09:18:45AM WE ARE ENFORCING THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
09:18:48AM AS MR. JC HUDGISON SAID, THE INFORMATION THAT MR. JC
09:18:55AM HUDGISON GAVE DURING THE WORKSHOP WITH THE BOARD OF REALTORS
09:18:59AM WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU
09:19:02AM WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM TO GET HIS PERSPECTIVE OF HOW
09:19:06AM THE WORKSHOP PROVIDED GUIDANCE TO THE REALTORS.
09:19:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL HOLD UNTIL LATER.
09:19:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE GENTLEMAN, IF HE WANTS TO COME UP.
09:19:13AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
09:19:14AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:19:15AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
09:19:16AM JACOB BRENELL, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AT GREATER
09:19:21AM TAMPA, AS WELL AS PINELLAS REALTORS.
09:19:23AM I JUST -- FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK JC FOR THE PRESENTATION
09:19:29AM HE DID AND STAFF THE OTHER WEEK AT THE ASSOCIATION.
09:19:32AM WE HAD OVER 100 PEOPLE REGISTERED WHO ARE MEMBERS.
09:19:36AM TURNS OUT TO BEEN 45, 50.
09:19:39AM WE WISH WE GOT THE REST THERE, BUT IT WAS REALLY
09:19:43AM INFORMATIVE.
09:19:43AM DID GO A LITTLE LONGER THAN EXPECTED BUT A LOT OF GREAT
09:19:47AM QUESTIONS.
09:19:48AM A LOT OF ANSWERS THAT REALTORS NEEDED TO HEAR.
09:19:50AM YOU KNOW, THESE LAWS CAN BE VERY COMPLEX.
09:19:54AM I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY OR A LEGAL PROFESSIONAL, BUT THERE IS A
09:19:59AM DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EDUCATING NOT ONLY OUR MEMBERS BUT ALSO
09:20:03AM DOING CONSUMER OUTREACH.
09:20:05AM YOU KNOW, IF A REALTOR IS NOT INFORMED OF ALL THESE
09:20:09AM PRACTICES AND LAWS, THEN THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO, YOU
09:20:13AM KNOW, GAIN EXPERIENCE AND ALSO PROFESSIONALLY MANAGE THEIR
09:20:16AM JOB.
09:20:16AM SO WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING CITY STAFF HAS DONE FOR US.
09:20:21AM WE HOPE THAT THERE IS MORE TO COME.
09:20:23AM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 28,000 MEMBERS.
09:20:26AM WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL,
09:20:30AM YOU KNOW, BUSINESS.
09:20:31AM IT'S HARD TO MANAGE.
09:20:33AM WE GOT A LOT THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
09:20:37AM A LOT THAT ARE JUST STARTING OFF NEW.
09:20:39AM SO THEY NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION.
09:20:41AM ALSO, NOT A LEGAL ATTORNEY OR EXPERT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS
09:20:48AM ALL MANAGED BY STATE LAW, AS WELL AS THE REALTOR CODE OF
09:20:52AM ETHICS IN TERMS OF THE SELLER AND BUYER CONTRACT.
09:20:56AM AGAIN, THE SELLER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AT THE TIME OF SALE
09:21:02AM INSPECTION.
09:21:02AM AND THAT IS WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, SIGNING
09:21:06AM THAT CONTRACT WITH THE PROPER REALTOR.
09:21:08AM THEY CAN GUIDE NEW THIS MANNER.
09:21:11AM THEY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDING VERY PROFESSIONAL AND
09:21:16AM EXPERIENCED INSPECTORS TO GET THAT CLEARED.
09:21:18AM AND ALSO ADDRESS MAYBE SOME INTERNAL CONFLICTS ORDER ROARS
09:21:24AM ON THE SELLER'S POINT OF VIEW.
09:21:26AM AGAIN, THE ONLY -- THE ONLY THING THAT THE SELLER IS
09:21:30AM REQUIRED TO DO IS TO -- AND THEY CAN DO IT VERBALLY.
09:21:34AM IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT -- TO REQUEST EVERYTHING IN
09:21:37AM WRITING IS TO DISCLOSE ANY OPEN PERMITS AT THE TIME OF SALE.
09:21:41AM THAT WAY CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN ADDRESS THE SELLER AS PREVIOUS
09:21:46AM OWNER AND THEN WORK WITH THE BUYER TO CLOSE THOSE PERMITS.
09:21:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:52AM >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
09:21:53AM HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:21:54AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
09:21:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:57AM IF NOTHING FURTHER.
09:21:58AM SIR, ARE YOU PART OF THIS MOTION OF THE BOARD OF REALTORS?
09:22:04AM >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NONCONFORMING USES --
09:22:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:22:09AM HOW ARE YOU PART OF THE MOTION?
09:22:12AM HOW WERE YOU PART OF THE MOTION ASSOCIATION AND BOARD OF
09:22:17AM REALTORS.
09:22:18AM RESERVE YOUR TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:22:19AM LET'S WAIT FOR PUBLIC.
09:22:22AM >> THANKS.
09:22:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING ELSE, OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
09:22:28AM OFFICIALLY.
09:22:28AM PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
09:22:30AM SORRY.
09:22:30AM I JUST WANT TO GO BY THE RULES.
09:22:32AM >> THAT'S FINE.
09:22:33AM I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES --
09:22:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:22:37AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
09:22:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:22:41AM >> ONE OF THE ISSUES ON NONCONFORMING USES THAT IS SLIGHTLY
09:22:45AM DIFFERENT THAN PERMITTING -- IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY.
09:22:47AM BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUYING PROPERTIES THAT ARE REGISTERED
09:22:50AM AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IS HAVING TWO UNITS OR
09:22:54AM THREE UNITS THAT WERE BUILT SOME TIME BETWEEN 1956 AND 1987.
09:23:03AM THE CITY CODE REQUIRES YOU TO PROVE THAT THE NONCONFORMANCY
09:23:08AM EXISTED PRIOR TO 1956.
09:23:10AM THE CODE CHANGE IN 1987 THAT CREATED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
09:23:16AM OF NONCONFORMANCIES.
09:23:18AM SO YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT A NONCONFORMANCY EXISTED PRIOR TO
09:23:23AM THE FACT THAT IT EXISTED.
09:23:25AM IF IT DIDN'T EXIST IN 1956, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE IT
09:23:28AM WHEN THE CODE CHANGED IN '87?
09:23:31AM WE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS.
09:23:33AM AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL ADDRESS THIS IN THE CODE UPDATE, BUT
09:23:36AM YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING ON HERE.
09:23:38AM THE DIRECTORY IS USED AS A VERIFICATION OF THE EXISTING USE.
09:23:43AM THE POPE DIRECTLY IS SPOTTY.
09:23:46AM THE CITY RECORDS ARE SPOTTY.
09:23:48AM ANYTHING GOING BEFORE '897 WHEN THEY CREATED THE
09:23:51AM NONCONFORMANCIES ARE DIFFICULT TO PROVE.
09:23:54AM HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVE IT?
09:23:56AM IT DIDN'T EXIST.
09:23:57AM SO ANYWAY, I AM JUST -- I NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW YOU
09:24:01AM APPROACH THE NONCONFORMANCIES.
09:24:09AM ABBY SAID IN STATE LAW IF YOU PROVE IT WITHIN SIX YEARS, YOU
09:24:15AM CAN DISMISS THE CASE.
09:24:16AM PROPERTIES ARE BEING CITED FOR NONCONFORMANCIES THAT WERE
09:24:20AM CREATED AT 1987.
09:24:22AM AND YOU CAN'T PROVE IT EXISTED IN 1956.
09:24:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:24:27AM ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:24:30AM YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
09:24:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
09:24:42AM STATE YOUR NAME.
09:24:43AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
09:24:45AM SOUNDS GOOD ON PAPER TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO DO
09:24:48AM SOMETHING.
09:24:49AM BUT REALITY IS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO DO IT.
09:24:54AM IF BY CHANCE -- A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE HAD A SU-1 COME
09:24:59AM IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS FOR A PETITION FOR REVIEW BECAUSE TWO
09:25:02AM YOUNG LADIES WHO ARE MARRIED PURCHASED A PROPERTY.
09:25:05AM THEY FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT THAT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING
09:25:09AM UNIT WAS NEVER PERMITTED.
09:25:11AM THAT HOUSE HAD NEVER BEEN SOLD BEFORE.
09:25:13AM NOT ACCORDING TO MLS.
09:25:19AM ACELA STARTED IN 2005 AND PRIOR TO ACELA TO DO THE RESEARCH
09:25:25AM ON THAT.
09:25:25AM NOW WHAT RAMIFICATIONS DO THEY HAVE?
09:25:32AM IF THE SELLER WAS STILL ALIVE AND ASSUMING THAT THE SELLER
09:25:35AM PASSED AWAY.
09:25:36AM AND IF THE SELLER WAS STILL ALIVE, THEY COULD TAKE BACK TO
09:25:40AM COURT FOR NOT DISCLOSING THAT.
09:25:41AM THAT IS WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE.
09:25:44AM IF THE SELLER WAS PASSED, THERE IS NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT
09:25:48AM THEY CAN DO.
09:25:48AM BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THAT THE CITY CANNOT MEDIATE BETWEEN
09:25:54AM THOSE TWO.
09:25:54AM AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I DON'T PLAY ONE AT CITY
09:25:58AM COUNCIL, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IF YOU DON'T DISCLOSE STUFF IN
09:26:06AM YOUR SELLER'S ITEM IF YOUR CHILDREN -- THEY CAN WALL STREET
09:26:10AM THERE NEVER LIVED THERE.
09:26:12AM DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
09:26:13AM ON THE DISCLOSURE FORM.
09:26:15AM IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DISCLOSE IT, NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT
09:26:19AM TO DO.
09:26:19AM IF THE BUYER BUY IT IS AND SAYS NEVER LIVED ON THE PROPERTY
09:26:22AM -- OF COURSE, I PERSONALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AS A
09:26:26AM LANDLORD.
09:26:27AM AS A LANDLORD, I KNOW BETTER WHAT I DID TO MY RENTAL
09:26:31AM PROPERTIES BECAUSE I HAVE I HAVE TO PRODUCE IT FOR TAX
09:26:35AM RECORDS.
09:26:36AM THEY CAN'T GO INTO EVERY SINGLE LIFE.
09:26:38AM I AM SORRY IF DO YOU SOMETHING.
09:26:42AM AND IT IS LIKE BUYING A CAR
09:26:48AM AND BUYER BEWARE.
09:26:49AM AND IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
09:26:51AM I DON'T THINK IT HAPPENS OFTEN, BECAUSE WE SEE IT COME IN
09:26:54AM HERE WHEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TURNS IT DOWN
09:26:58AM BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT MAKE THAT DECISION.
09:27:00AM YOU GUYS HAVE TO MAKE IT.
09:27:02AM AND CRIES THE BLUES BECAUSE WE ARE BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE
09:27:08AM FOR SOMETHING.
09:27:08AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK GROUND OF THE PEOPLE WHO KEPT COMING
09:27:11AM IN HERE CRYING ABOUT IT, AN INTERESTING TALE THAT
09:27:19AM THEY WEAVE.
09:27:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:27:23AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SINCE THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
09:27:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO BOTH SIDES BUT I
09:27:28AM TALKED TO THE YOUNG LADY, NOT MICHELINI, NOT MISS POYNOR,
09:27:37AM EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE
09:27:39AM AUDIENCE.
09:27:39AM I AM STICKING WITH MY SAYING I AM NOT BLAMING THE CITY.
09:27:45AM BUT THE PROCESS SOMEBODY AND THE ATTORNEY AND CHECK A YOU
09:27:51AM WILL THE WORDS.
09:27:52AM AND NOTHING RECORDED THERE.
09:27:54AM AND WHEN WE USED TO HAVE A LOT OF SWALES AND PROPERTY.
09:28:08AM AND I BUY THE HOUSE, AND WE HAVE THE SWALE.
09:28:12AM SOMEBODY ELSE THAT I SELL IT TOO.
09:28:14AM THEY WANT TO PLANT PLANTS WHERE THE SWALES.
09:28:17AM YOU NEVER CATCH THEM BECAUSE NEVER RECORDED AND THE TIME OF
09:28:20AM PASSING THE ZONING, WE PUT THAT AND NEVER RECORDED AND NEVER
09:28:29AM WENT TO THE COURTHOUSE AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
09:28:31AM THAT IS THE SAME THING.
09:28:32AM YOU GO FOR ONE AND YOU GO FOR THE OTHER.
09:28:34AM BUT WE STAY BACK AND BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE.
09:28:37AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
09:28:38AM LAW IS THE LAW.
09:28:39AM I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG.
09:28:43AM WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS UNTIL THE COWS COME BACK TO PASTOR
09:28:46AM WHEN THERE IS NO GRASS TO EAT.
09:28:48AM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
09:28:49AM WE ARE BLAMING SOMEBODY FOR DOING SOMETHING TO A BUILDING
09:28:53AM THEY NEVER TOUCHED.
09:28:54AM IS THAT RIGHT?
09:29:09AM THAT'S IT.
09:29:10AM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
09:29:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:29:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK MY COLLEAGUE MIRANDA FOR BRINGING
09:29:18AM THIS UP PAUSE I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
09:29:19AM WE HAD CASE WHERE IS PEOPLE SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW, AND
09:29:23AM FILING A LAWSUIT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
09:29:25AM I WISH THERE WAS SOME KIND OF OTHER SOLUTION.
09:29:27AM CAN I ASK THE PERSON WHO IS A REALTOR REAL FAST A COUPLE OF
09:29:30AM QUESTIONS.
09:29:31AM JUST FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING CURIOUS OF BUYING A HOUSE.
09:29:35AM HOW CAN THEY BE PROTECTED.
09:29:37AM YOU SAID MAYBE A REALTOR WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE.
09:29:39AM BUT WOULD.
09:29:45AM RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TITLE INSURANCE COMPANY OR INSPECTOR
09:29:47AM TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING PIECES PERMITTED WITH AN ADU THAT IS
09:29:55AM THE NOT PERMITTED, AND WHERE WILL THE BUYER EXPECT TO FIND
09:29:59AM THAT INFORMATION.
09:29:59AM >> THE BUYER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RESEARCHING THOSE
09:30:04AM INSPECTIONS AND DETAILS.
09:30:09AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHICH EXPERT SO THE BUYER WOULDN'T BE
09:30:11AM KNOWLEDGEABLE OF DOING IT.
09:30:13AM WHICH OF THE PROFESSIONALS THE WHO WOULD BE THE EXPERT WHO
09:30:17AM WILL FIND IT FOR THEM.
09:30:18AM >> THE BUYER CAN HIRE THE REALTOR AND GO THROUGH
09:30:28AM RECOMMENDATIONS OR DO RESEARCH ON THEIR OWN.
09:30:30AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE INSPECTORS I HAD BEFORE LOOK FOR LEAKS
09:30:32AM AND OLD WIRING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
09:30:34AM THEY DON'T LOOK TO SEE WHETHER IT IS PERMITTED.
09:30:36AM SOMETHING THAT THE INSPECTOR WOULD TYPICALLY DO, LOOK TO SEE
09:30:39AM IF EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED CORRECTLY?
09:30:44AM >>JC HUDGISON: IF YOU ARE THE BUYER OR THE REALTOR, YOU
09:30:46AM SHOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE SELLER DISCLOSE THINK OPEN PERMITS
09:30:49AM ON THE PROPERTY.
09:30:50AM NOW THEY CAN DO THIS VERBALLY BY RESPONSE.
09:30:53AM SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING THAT YOU
09:30:57AM CAN, BUT, AGAIN, IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO THAT IN WRITING THAT
09:31:01AM THERE ARE CURRENTLY OPEN PERMITS ON THE PROPERTY.
09:31:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: FROM AN INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE, SOME OF THE
09:31:10AM OTHER RULES THAT THE MARKET HAVE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE,
09:31:13AM OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PROTECTIONS ARE, THERE.
09:31:15AM >> REALTORS ARE -- THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE OF ETHICS.
09:31:19AM THERE IS ABOUT 17 AND 18 ARTICLES IN THERE.
09:31:23AM AND I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, LIST THOSE OFF BY MEMORY BUT THEY
09:31:29AM ABIDE BY THAT.
09:31:31AM DPR IS WHERE THE LICENSE FALLS.
09:31:33AM AND A LOCAL REALTOR ASSOCIATION LEVEL, IF THERE IS ANY
09:31:38AM PROBLEM BETWEEN TWO REALTORS DURING A SALE, AFTER THE SALE,
09:31:42AM THEY CAN BRING IT TO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE.
09:31:44AM AND THEY CAN ADDRESS IT TO SEE IF IT NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD
09:31:48AM WITH GRIEVANCE.
09:31:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I -- MISS FEELEY, IF YOU WANT TO WAY IN.
09:31:55AM CAN YOU ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION.
09:31:56AM IF SOMEBODY -- IF A BUYER IS BUYING A PROPERTY, SINCE THE
09:32:04AM BUYER IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL, WHICH PROFESSIONAL DO THEY LOOK
09:32:08AM TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED.
09:32:11AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I CAN'T ADVISE ON THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
09:32:14AM ADD WHEN WE PRESENTED TO THE REALTORS AND ONE THING WE
09:32:18AM SHOWED EVERYONE AND ONE THING WE ARE WORKING ON HOW WITH MR.
09:32:22AM HENRIQUEZ IS LINKING THE PERMITTING SYSTEM TO THE PROPERTY
09:32:24AM RECORD.
09:32:24AM BUT YOU WALK INTO A HOME.
09:32:27AM AND I THINK WE PRESENTED THIS A WEEK BEFORE LAST.
09:32:30AM IF YOU WALK INTO A HOME AND IT SAYS NEWLY RENOVATED.
09:32:33AM BRAND-NEW ROOF.
09:32:35AM NEW GAME ROOM.
09:32:37AM WHATEVER IT SAYS IN THE WRITE-UP, YOU CAN GO ON TO OUR
09:32:40AM SYSTEM AND POP THAT ADDRESS ON HERE AND SEE WAS THAT ROOF
09:32:44AM PERMITTED.
09:32:44AM WAS THAT -- WAS THE GAME ROOM OR THE ADDITION PERMITTED.
09:32:49AM ALL OF THAT IS IN.
09:32:50AM OPINION ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT THE ADDRESS IN THE FRONT
09:32:53AM PAGE OF ACELA AND IT WILL SHOW YOU PERMIT FROM 2005 FORWARD.
09:32:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: GET ACELA FROM GOING TO THE CITY WEB SITE?
09:33:02AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
09:33:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST QUESTION.
09:33:05AM YOU MENTIONED THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
09:33:07AM A LAYOUT OF PROPERTIES THERE.
09:33:09AM AND LET'S SAY THEY LOOK AT THE LAYOUT, AND THERE IS AN ADU
09:33:14AM ON THE PROPERTY, THE GRANDMA SUITE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
09:33:18AM CALL IT, IT IS NOT IN THAT LAYOUT.
09:33:20AM IS THAT LAYOUT ACCURATE TO PERMITTING OR NOT.
09:33:24AM IF THEY SEE SOMETHING IS NOT THERE, A POINT FOR THEM TO ASK
09:33:27AM A QUESTION.
09:33:27AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SORRY, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU FINISH.
09:33:33AM IN RELATION TO WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS, THAT IS WHAT
09:33:36AM YOU ARE BEING TASKED FOR.
09:33:38AM NOT NECESSARILY MEANING THAT IT IS PERMITTED.
09:33:40AM >>BILL CARLSON: ACELA IS THE BEST IF.
09:33:44AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ACELA IS THE BEST RESOURCE.
09:33:46AM YOU CAN TAP IN AND A LINK THAT WILL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THE
09:33:50AM PROPERTY, TO THE PERMIT RECORD FOR THAT PROPERTY.
09:33:52AM AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH MR.
09:33:57AM HENRIQUEZ ON TO HAVE THAT IN BOTH SYSTEMS SO IF YOU DON'T
09:34:00AM NECESSARILY KNOW TO GO TO ACELA.
09:34:03AM IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS BEING TAXED AND YOU SEE
09:34:07AM THE ADU, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE PERMIT AND SEE IF THAT WAS --
09:34:10AM ESPECIALLY IF IT IS NEWER.
09:34:11AM IF IT IS OLDER LIKE IN HYDE PARK, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN
09:34:15AM THERE FOREVER.
09:34:15AM SO THOSE ARE GRANDFATHERED LEGALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1921.
09:34:25AM AND WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TOO.
09:34:26AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
09:34:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HURTAK.
09:34:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:34:31AM MISS FEELEY, THIS GOES ALONG WITH THIS, BUT JUST A QUICK
09:34:34AM QUESTION.
09:34:35AM SO IF -- IF A PROPERTY WAS ILLEGALLY MODIFIED WITHOUT --
09:34:44AM DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
09:34:45AM SO THERE IS AN EXISTING HOME, A GARAGE TURNED INTO AN ADU
09:34:51AM WITHOUT PERMITS.
09:34:51AM AND THEN AFTER THE FACT, WHEN BOTH PLACES ARE BEING RENTED,
09:34:58AM BOTH THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE NEW ADU IS BEING RENTED OUT.
09:35:05AM DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY RECOURSE TO -- TO STOP PEOPLE FROM
09:35:10AM LIVING IN THERE?
09:35:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.
09:35:13AM I BELIEVE WE DO, IF IT DOESN'T MEET BUILDING CODE OR IF IT
09:35:17AM IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
09:35:18AM THEN WE CAN VACATE OR ASK THAT IT IS VACATED YOU JUST
09:35:27AM MENTIONED.
09:35:27AM TRYING TO LISTEN TO YOUR SCENARIO, YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE OF
09:35:31AM THINGS.
09:35:31AM RIGHT NOW OUR CODE IN RELATION TO THE UNIT, ONE HAS TO BE
09:35:34AM OWNER-OCCUPIED.
09:35:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT.
09:35:38AM >> SHOULDN'T BE TWO RENTERS.
09:35:39AM IF THAT WAS THE CASE, SITE THE PROPERTY OPENER ON A ZONING
09:35:43AM VIOLATION BECAUSE THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ONE OF THE UNITS IS
09:35:46AM OWNER-OCCUPIED.
09:35:46AM IN RELATION TO THE CONSTRUCTION, IF -- WHEN -- WHEN A GARAGE
09:35:53AM IS ILLEGALLY CONVERTED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A DWELLING, THAT
09:35:57AM DWELLING HAS TO HAVE AN EXTERNAL ENTRANCE SO THAT THE FIRE
09:36:01AM DEPARTMENT CAN GET TO YOU.
09:36:02AM SO IF IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE IN THAT WAY, THERE IS NO
09:36:06AM WINDOW.
09:36:07AM NO WAY FOR US TO RESCUE SOMEBODY WHO IS IN HERE WE WOULD GO
09:36:12AM OUT AND PUT IT UNDER VIOLATION FOR THAT IN A SEPARATE SENSE.
09:36:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I APPRECIATE BOTH THOSE.
09:36:18AM I WAS REALLY TALKING OF THE FIRST ONE.
09:36:20AM THAT IS AN ISSUE WE ARE SEEING -- THAT I KNOW MR. MIRANDA
09:36:23AM HAS SEEN A LOT TOO, IS THAT THERE ARE TWO -- TWO HABITABLE
09:36:28AM SPACES ON A PROPERTY.
09:36:29AM AND ONE OF THEM ISN'T BEING INHABITED BY THE OWNER.
09:36:33AM WHAT -- WHAT ABILITY DO WE HAVE TO STOP THAT?
09:36:36AM TO BASICALLY SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T -- I MEAN, OTHER THAN FINING
09:36:40AM THEM, HOW DO WE STOP THAT?
09:36:43AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DON'T -- I MEAN WE WOULD -- WE WOULD HAVE
09:36:46AM TO CITE THEM AND PUT THE PROPERTY OWNER ON NOTICE.
09:36:49AM THAT IS THE PROCESS FOR COMES TO OUR ATTENTION AND TWO
09:36:59AM RENTERS WE WOULD HAVE TO PURSUE THAT.
09:37:01AM RIGHT NOW DON'T HAVE A LOG OF ALL THE ADUs.
09:37:07AM WE KNOW THE EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCE BECAUSE REQUIRES A
09:37:10AM FAMILY MEMBER.
09:37:11AM BUT IN TERMS OF THE ADUs, THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESSES ONCE
09:37:15AM THOSE THINGS ARE DISCOVERED, THEY WILL GO UNDER CITATION.
09:37:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THAT DAILY CITATION?
09:37:28AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WORKS THROUGH THE PROCESS.
09:37:29AM 30 DAYS TO RECTIFY AND PROVE TO THE CITY THAT THE OWNER IS
09:37:32AM ONE OF THE TWO UNITS.
09:37:33AM IF THEY CAN NOT, IT WILL BE SCHEDULED TO GO TO THE
09:37:36AM MAGISTRATE AND PLEAD THEIR CASE AT THAT TIME.
09:37:38AM AND THEN I THINK THEY GET ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLY.
09:37:41AM BUT THEN ONCE THAT -- THAT PERIOD FOR COMPLIANCE EXPIRES
09:37:50AM THAT IS WHEN A POTENTIAL FINE WILL GO INTO EFFECT.
09:37:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:37:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I FIND IS INTERESTING OF THE PROPERTY
09:37:59AM APPRAISER SITE.
09:37:59AM I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THERE IS A PLETHORA OF THESE TYPE OF
09:38:03AM SITUATIONS AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:38:04AM YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB SITE AND YOU SEE THE
09:38:07AM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS ACCURATE TO WHAT IS AIR CONDITIONING
09:38:10AM SPACE.
09:38:10AM AND THAT PERSON IS PAYING TAXES ON THAT SQUARE FOOT.
09:38:13AM SO JUST ASSUME EVERYTHING IS COPACETIC AND EVERYTHING IS IN
09:38:20AM COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WHO TO OTHER THAN THE GEEKS IN ROOM TO GO
09:38:22AM TO ACELA.
09:38:24AM NOBODY.
09:38:24AM LITERALLY NOBODY.
09:38:26AM IF SOMEONE IS OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE LIVING IN A HOME LIKE
09:38:30AM IN A FLORIDA ROOM OR A CARPORT IS NOW LIVING SPACE REFLECTS
09:38:39AM THAT ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.
09:38:40AM HOW DOES THAT PERSON GET INTO COMPLIANCE SOME FUTURE OWNER
09:38:43AM AND SALE, THEY WON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
09:38:45AM LET'S SAY THEY HAVE IT -- A PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS
09:38:48AM NOT PERMITTED OR THEY SUSPECT MAYBE NOT PERMITTED BECAUSE --
09:38:52AM I THINK FLORIDA ROOMS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE IN FLORIDA.
09:38:55AM PEOPLE OVER TIME HAVE -- YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WANT
09:38:59AM AIR-CONDITIONED -- AT SOME POINT JALOUSIE WINDOWS AND
09:39:05AM AIR-CONDITIONED SPACE.
09:39:06AM HOW DO YOU RETROACTIVELY FIX THAT WHEN EVERYTHING HAS BEEN
09:39:09AM DONE OR MAY HAVE BEEN DONE FOR 20 YEARS?
09:39:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
09:39:14AM IF YOU ARE SHOWING ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AS APPROVED.
09:39:23AM SOME PERMIT WENT THROUGH.
09:39:24AM I AM AWARE OF SOMEONE IN ST. PETE, THEY CONVERTED THEIR
09:39:28AM GARAGE YEARS AGO.
09:39:29AM NOW THEY WERE FLOODED AS PART OF THE STORM.
09:39:31AM THEY ARE GOING IN TO PULL PERMITS TO FIX THE MESSY OF THE
09:39:34AM HOUSE.
09:39:34AM AND IT IS COMING OUT THAT THE GARAGE WAS NEVER PERMITTED.
09:39:38AM AND THEY ARE HAVING TO RECONCILE THAT.
09:39:40AM I THINK THAT IS WHERE PART OF WHAT JC IS SAYING, WITHIN THAT
09:39:46AM SIX YEARS.
09:39:48AM BUT TYPICALLY, THE -- STILL SHOWS ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER
09:39:54AM AS UNCONDITIONED SPACE WHEN A GARAGE CONVERGENT.
09:39:57AM BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO ALL OF THAT.
09:39:59AM I THINK IF YOU LOOK ON -- YOU ARE BEING TAXED IN THAT AREA.
09:40:02AM WE HAVE PERMITS FROM WAY BEFORE ACELA WENT INTO EFFECT.
09:40:07AM WE HAD ALL THE HISTORIC PERMITS FOR THE CITY.
09:40:10AM THEY GO BACK A WHILE.
09:40:11AM IF ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION, THEY COULD GET -- COME TO
09:40:14AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
09:40:15AM WE CAN PUT A REQUEST TO GO BACK TO THOSE -- TO HAVE ONE OF
09:40:20AM OUR TECHS GO IN AND PULL THE HISTORIC RECORDS AND SEE IT.
09:40:23AM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WHILE THEY ARE NOW DIGITAL, THEY,
09:40:27AM TOO, HAVE THE OLD PROPERTY CARD AND GO IN AND ASK THEM.
09:40:30AM IF YOU ARE REALLY IN DOUBT AS TO WHAT HAPPENED.
09:40:32AM IF THAT PERSON SETTING IN THEIR SUNROOM THINKS THEY WERE
09:40:36AM CONVERTED.
09:40:37AM WE ARE NOT COMING AFTER THEM.
09:40:38AM THAT IS ON THEM.
09:40:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DO YOU AVOID THE SALE AND THE ESTATE
09:40:45AM SALE AND WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALKING ABOUT FUTURE OWNERS
09:40:48AM HAVING THAT BURDEN.
09:40:49AM IF SOMEONE WANTED IT SHALL HOW TO YOU RETROACTIVELY GET INTO
09:40:53AM COMPLIANCE OF THAT.
09:40:54AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YOU CAN PULL AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT.
09:40:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR OUR PUBLIC, YOU CAN GO INTO OUR
09:41:02AM BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT AND YOU COME
09:41:05AM OUT AND DO A CURSE SEE INSPECTION.
09:41:08AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: TYPICALLY GET AN ENGINEER TO SIGN UP ON A
09:41:12AM COVER WORK LETTER.
09:41:13AM WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE OPEN UP THEIR WALL AND SO HE
09:41:17AM IT, IF THERE IS A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL THAT WILL PROVIDE
09:41:20AM THAT INFORMATION.
09:41:21AM WE WORK WITH THEM AND GET AN AFTER-THE-FACT PERMIT.
09:41:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PEOPLE LISTEN GOING YOU SUSPECT THIS AND
09:41:29AM HAVE THIS SITUATION DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM, COME
09:41:31AM INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND FILE AN AFTER-THE-FACT
09:41:34AM PERMIT.
09:41:34AM THANK YOU.
09:41:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN, MIRANDA.
09:41:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: STILL THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE -- THANK YOU
09:41:40AM TO THE CHAMBER FOR PARTICIPATING AND GOING THROUGH THE
09:41:42AM PROCESS AND ALL INVOLVED CUMBERSOME TO ME.
09:41:50AM YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.
09:41:53AM THE LADY WHERE I LIVED, THEY WANTED HER TO KNOCK DOWN WHAT
09:41:57AM WAS THERE BEFORE SHE BUILT THE HOUSE TO REBUILD IT AGAIN.
09:42:01AM THAT'S ALL TIME GOING TO SAY.
09:42:07AM HOWEVER, I WOULD IMAGINE, I CHECKED MY HOUSE OUT THE OTHER
09:42:14AM DAY.
09:42:15AM HOUSE IN 1968 WAS A THREE-BEDROOM, ONE BATH.
09:42:19AM IT IS LISTED AT THE COURTHOUSE AS TWO BEDROOM AND ONE BATH.
09:42:24AM I HAD AN EXTRA ROOM THAT IS NOT LISTED ON THE PROPERTY
09:42:28AM APPRAISER'S OFFICE.
09:42:29AM I AM GUILTY OF NOT BEING GUILTY.
09:42:32AM THAT'S ALL.
09:42:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE EVICTION COMPANY WILL BE THERE
09:42:37AM SHORTLY.
09:42:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PARDON?
09:42:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE EVICTION COMPANY WILL BE THERE
09:42:41AM SHORTLY.
09:42:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HOPE IT IS YOU.
09:42:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE OR MOTION?
09:42:46AM WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:42:48AM ITEM NUMBER 2 --
09:42:49AM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SET THIS UP?
09:42:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, IT IS YOUR MOTION.
09:42:53AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:42:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THE ISSUE -- AND STAFF PROVIDED SOME
09:42:59AM INPUT ON THIS ON A REPORT, BUT I WANTED TO HAVE A SHORT
09:43:04AM DISCUSSION WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
09:43:05AM I WILL GIVE THREE EXAMPLES.
09:43:08AM THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER CITY -- WHETHER CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE
09:43:14AM INVOLVED IN PARKING PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
09:43:16AM AND I WILL GIVE YOU THREE EXAMPLES.
09:43:18AM ONE, YEARS AGO BEFORE I -- BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL,
09:43:24AM APARTMENT BUILDING WAS BEING BUILT ACROSS FROM OXFORD
09:43:27AM EXCHANGE.
09:43:27AM SUDDENLY, TWO WHOLE STREETS WERE BLOCKED OFF.
09:43:32AM AND THEN -- AND SO THAT WAS 20, 30 PARKING SPACES.
09:43:37AM AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TOOK UP ALL THE SPACES.
09:43:42AM AND FALK THEATRE WAS BEING RENOVATED AND TOOK UP ALL THE
09:43:46AM SPACES.
09:43:46AM I HAPPEN TO HAVE AN EVENT GOING ON ONCE A WEEK AT OXFORD AND
09:43:50AM WE COULDN'T PARK ANYWHERE BECAUSE ALL THE PARKING WAS TAKEN
09:43:54AM UP BY CONSTRUCTION CREWS.
09:43:55AM THAT IS ONE QUESTION.
09:43:56AM WHERE IT IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL AREA.
09:44:01AM THE PARKING SEEMED TO BE -- HAPHAZARDLY ALLOWED.
09:44:05AM NO NOTICE OF IT.
09:44:06AM SUDDENLY WHOLE STREETS WERE CLOSED.
09:44:09AM PART OF THAT WAS FOR STAGING, BUT ALSO THEN THEY -- THE
09:44:12AM CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TOOK THE PARKING SPACES AROUND.
09:44:15AM SECOND ONE IS A CONDO ON BAYSHORE THAT IS A ADJACENT TO A
09:44:25AM PARK.
09:44:25AM TWO OR THREE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLAINED THAT ALL DIFFERENT
09:44:28AM WORKERS AND SUBCONTRACTORS JUST FILLED THE WHOLE
09:44:30AM NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF CARS.
09:44:31AM THE PARKING AT THE PARK WAS COMPLETELY FULL ALL DAY.
09:44:35AM AND CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WERE TAKING WHEELBARROWS AND
09:44:39AM MATERIALS ACROSS THE PARK.
09:44:39AM AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE ONE TIME I WAS ON A ZOOM CALL WITH
09:44:42AM THE NEIGHBORS, AND THE OWNER OF THE CONDO.
09:44:46AM AND I HAPPENED TO BE LIVE ON VIDEO.
09:44:48AM AND I SAID, OH, THERE GOES THE WORKERS WALKING ACROSS THE
09:44:52AM PARK.
09:44:52AM AND SO THOSE ARE -- MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
09:44:58AM COMMERCIAL EXAMPLE.
09:44:59AM A RESIDENTIAL EXAMPLE.
09:45:00AM NEIGHBORS HAVING AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE WILL BE CERTAIN
09:45:03AM PARKING ON THEIR STREETS.
09:45:04AM AND THEY WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO BE NOTICED IF PARKING IS
09:45:08AM TAKEN AWAY.
09:45:09AM THE OTHER EXAMPLE THAT HAPPENS ON A REGULAR BASIS, SOMEBODY
09:45:12AM TEARS DOWN A RANCH-STYLE HOME AND BUILDS A LARGE HOUSE AND
09:45:16AM ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS GOING IN AND FILL UP ALL
09:45:19AM THE STREETS AND THE ENTIRE STREET ALL AROUND.
09:45:21AM SO THE QUESTION IS, IN ANY OF THESE CASES, MAYBE THERE IS A
09:45:25AM LIMIT OF HOW BIG COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL AND MORE
09:45:32AM RULES IN PLACE WHERE PARK ASKING BE STAGE.
09:45:35AM WHAT KIND OF DISRUPTION CAN PARKING ALLOW AND TRANSPORT
09:45:41AM THEIR MATERIALS FROM WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND HOW MUCH
09:45:45AM DISRUPTION FROM BUSINESSES AND TO SEE IF STAFF OR MY
09:45:50AM COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS ON THEM.
09:45:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MEMO CAME IN FROM MISS FEELEY.
09:45:58AM DO YOU WANT TO KICK IT OFF FOR MR. JC HUDGISON?
09:46:03AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SURE, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY.
09:46:06AM IT -- THE THREE EXAMPLES YOU JUST GAVE THE SANCTUARY AND
09:46:16AM REGULAR SINGLE-FAMILY.
09:46:16AM TIME FAMILIAR WITH THOSE.
09:46:17AM IT IS A BIT HARD TO GO BACK NOW.
09:46:19AM BUT WE DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON THIS WHEN THE MOTION WAS
09:46:24AM MADE.
09:46:24AM LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES.
09:46:25AM TALKED TO CITY OF ST. PETE.
09:46:28AM TALKED TO -- A COUPLE OF OTHERS AND ONE THING WE FOUND WAS
09:46:33AM THEY DON'T REQUIRE PARKING PLANS.
09:46:36AM TYPICALLY THAT IS DONE BY THE FOREMAN OF THE JOB ON THE JOBS
09:46:43AM WHEN THE SITUATIONS ARISE AND WE WILL WORK WITH OUR TEAM AND
09:46:52AM WITH SHUTTING THE STREETS.
09:46:53AM I WASN'T SURE THAT THE CONVERSATION WAS GOING TO GO THAT WAY
09:46:57AM THIS MORNING, BUT A THAT IS IN VIK'S SHOP, BECAUSE THEY
09:47:01AM APPLY FOR A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT OR M.O.T. IN ORDER TO CLOSE
09:47:05AM THOSE STREETS.
09:47:06AM AND THEN HAVE TO PUT UP DETOUR SIGNS AND OTHER WAYS FOR
09:47:12AM TRAFFIC CIRCULATION.
09:47:13AM AND THE LARGE PROJECTS I THINK ARE THE MOST PROBLEMATIC, THE
09:47:19AM THIRD ONE THAT WE TOUCH ON IS THE MOST PROBLEMATIC, THE
09:47:26AM SINGLE-FAMILY.
09:47:27AM TYPICALLY THE LOTS ARE SMALLER.
09:47:32AM YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF TRADES COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME.
09:47:35AM IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE TRADES.
09:47:38AM I WAS TALKING TO MOBILITY THE OTHER DAY, AND I AM AWARE THAT
09:47:42AM THEY STARTED IN SOME SECTIONS OF THE CITY AND I NEED TO GET
09:47:45AM WITH VIK OF PUTTING UP PARKING SIGNS ON ONE SIDE OF THE
09:47:50AM STREET SO YOU CAN'T HAVE -- I CAN ATTEST THAT IT HAPPENED ON
09:47:53AM MY OWN STREET IN RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS.
09:47:56AM TWO HOUSES ARE GETTING BUILT.
09:47:57AM THE TRASH TRUCKS TRYING TO COME DOWN THE STREET AND WE CAN
09:48:02AM NOT PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICE BECAUSE YOU HAVE CARS PARKED ON
09:48:06AM BOTH SIDES AND THE TRUCK CAN'T MAKE IT THROUGH BECAUSE THE
09:48:10AM RIGHT-OF-WAYS ARE NARROW.
09:48:12AM SO I THINK THAT YOU ARE RAISING EXTREMELY GOOD POINTS.
09:48:16AM ABOUT.
09:48:17AM WE WORK THROUGH THAT.
09:48:18AM AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL SUGGEST HAVING THE 25,000
09:48:22AM PERMITS ISSUING EACH YEAR.
09:48:24AM BRINGING THOSE PLANS BEFORE COUNCIL.
09:48:26AM WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WE DO AT THE
09:48:29AM PRECONSTRUCTION MEETINGS AND I KNOW JC CAN ADD TO IT.
09:48:34AM THE TEAM GOES OVER WITH THE CONTRACTOR IF IT IS A LARGER
09:48:39AM SCALE PROJECT WHERE THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE
09:48:41AM ACCOMMODATING.
09:48:42AM THE PENDRY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
09:48:46AM THEY PARK OFFSITE.
09:48:48AM SOMETIMES CONTRACTORS WILL ORGANIZE TRANSPORTATION WHEN THEY
09:48:51AM KNOW THEY WILL HAVE LARGE CREWS AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR
09:48:54AM CONSTRUCTION TO BRING THOSE CREWS IN SO THEY PARK SOMEWHERE
09:49:00AM OFF-SITE AND EACH PROJECT IS UNIQUE AND HAS THE DIFFERENT
09:49:04AM OPPORTUNITIES FOR GETTING MORE COHESIVE PARKING STRATEGIES
09:49:09AM IN PLACE.
09:49:09AM DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT?
09:49:11AM >>JC HUDGISON: YES.
09:49:12AM SO SINCE THE MEMO WENT OUT IN SEPTEMBER KIND OF RESPONDING
09:49:19AM TO THE CONSTRUCTION PARKING, WE REQUIRED -- THESE ARE THE
09:49:22AM LARGE SCALE PROJECTS AND DEALING WITH THE COMMERCIAL SIDE.
09:49:24AM WE REQUIRE THE LARGE-SCALE PROJECT TO PROVIDE US A PARKING
09:49:27AM PLAN.
09:49:28AM THAT HELPS NEWS TWO WAYS.
09:49:29AM NOW MEMORIALIZED IN OUR SET OF DOCUMENTS AS A CONSTRUCTION
09:49:32AM SET OF DOCUMENTS.
09:49:33AM SO IF THEY ARE VIOLATING THAT, WE HAVE A PLACE TO MOVE TO
09:49:36AM ISSUE A CITATION.
09:49:37AM WHAT PUT NEWS A WEIRD SPOT BEFORE THIS IS ON THE
09:49:44AM RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
09:49:45AM TOUGH FOR ME TO ENFORCE SOMETHING IN THE BUILDING CODE IF IT
09:49:48AM IS IN THE STREET.
09:49:49AM IF WE ARE ENFORCING A BUILDING -- YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE US A
09:49:53AM PARKING PLAN FOR THESE LARGE TYPES -- THAT INCLUDES
09:49:55AM RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES.
09:49:56AM THE MIX BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL THAT WE ARE NOW ABLE
09:50:00AM TO ENFORCE THAT IF WE HAVE A PARKING PLAN.
09:50:03AM ARE THEY GOING TO APPROPRIATELY PARK WHERE THEY NEED TO PARK
09:50:06AM AND ISSUE A WARNING OR A STOP WORK ORDER TO CORRECT THE
09:50:10AM ACTION.
09:50:10AM AS ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY MENTIONED PROBLEMS WITH A
09:50:17AM RESIDENTIAL.
09:50:18AM SOMEBODY WANT TO REROOF A HOUSE AND THREE OR FOUR TRUCKS ON
09:50:21AM THE STREET TRYING TO HAUL OFF THE SHINGLES, BRING IN THE NEW
09:50:25AM SHINGLES, AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE ARE ACCOMMODATING.
09:50:28AM OUR STAFF HAS BEEN TASK.
09:50:31AM MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09:50:33AM TRY TO HAVE THEM PARK ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND TORN UP
09:50:40AM BECAUSE THE VEHICLE IS ON THE FRONT YARD.
09:50:42AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT STOCKPILING MATERIALS ON THE
09:50:45AM RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09:50:45AM WE HAD ISSUES OF THAT AS WELL.
09:50:47AM THE VEHICLES ARE TRICKY FOR US, PER SE, BECAUSE NOT OF
09:50:51AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
09:50:54AM BUT IDEALLY THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE IF NOT BUILDING
09:50:59AM DEPARTMENT.
09:50:59AM SINCE SEPTEMBER, ANY OF THESE PROJECTS REQUIRE A PARKING
09:51:04AM PLAN IN AND OUR SITE ENGINEERS MAKE SURE THERE IS A PARKING
09:51:07AM PLAN ATTACHED TO THE PERMIT.
09:51:09AM THEREFORE, WHEN WE GO OUT TO ENFORCE.
09:51:12AM WE HAVE SOMETHING TO ENFORCE.
09:51:14AM THE CONTRACTOR AGREED THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL BE PARKING YOUR
09:51:17AM STAFF FOR THE DURATION OF THAT PROJECT.
09:51:19AM AND WE HAVE BETTER ENFORCEMENT OPTIONS AT THAT POINT.
09:51:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WERE YOU FIRST OR
09:51:25AM HURTAK?
09:51:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MISS HURTAK.
09:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
09:51:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS GREAT THAT YOU STARTED THIS.
09:51:31AM PARKING PLAN.
09:51:32AM I THINK IT IS FABULOUS.
09:51:34AM I AM JUST GOING TO MENTION TWO THINGS MISS FEELEY BROUGHT UP
09:51:43AM A GOOD POINT OF THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET PARKING.
09:51:45AM I WAS WONDERING -- WE CAN'T DO A PARKING PLAN FOR EVERY
09:51:50AM RESIDENTIAL BUILD, BUT IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO SAY THAT
09:51:53AM THIS HOUSE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET.
09:51:55AM YOU MAY ONLY PARK THESE VOKES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE
09:51:58AM STREET.
09:51:58AM LIKE YOU CAN'T PARK ON BOTH SIDES.
09:52:00AM IF YOU ARE BUILDING A HOUSE ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU MUST STAY
09:52:04AM ON THE WEST SIDE.
09:52:05AM I MEAN IT IS A PARKING PLAN, BUT IT IS NOT A PARKING PLAN
09:52:09AM IN.
09:52:09AM I JUST -- I MEAN -- IT IS JUST SOMETHING TO THROW OUT AS AN
09:52:12AM IDEA.
09:52:13AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO I THINK SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE HAVE ISSUED
09:52:20AM CLOSE TO 1,000 -- IS THAT THE TOTAL FOR LAST YEAR?
09:52:24AM I THINK THE TOTAL FOR LAST YEAR WAS 1,000 SINGLE-FAMILY
09:52:27AM RESIDENTIAL PERMITS.
09:52:28AM I THINK THE POINT THAT YOU ARE RAISING WITH THE IDEA IS A
09:52:34AM GOOD ONE AND I AM THINKING AS I AM PROCESSING FOR JUST A
09:52:39AM SECOND THAT I THINK MORE SO COMING UP WITH AND WORKING ON A
09:52:42AM GENERAL STATEMENT.
09:52:43AM AND WE DID THIS WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY ON A COUPLE OF OTHER
09:52:46AM THINGS ABOUT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALKS OR DOING -- WE COULD PUT
09:52:50AM A GENERAL NOTATION ON THE PLANS THAT REFER TO PARKING OR
09:52:55AM PARKING IN A CERTAIN WAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO THINK
09:52:57AM THROUGH THAT WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE, BUT I DON'T THINK
09:53:00AM THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
09:53:01AM AND THEN WHEN WE GO OUT FOR PRECONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO --
09:53:06AM PRIOR TO FOUNDATION POUR, SOMETHING WE COULD REITERATE WITH
09:53:10AM THE BUILDER THAT YOU NEED TO EN SHOWER THAT YOUR PARKING IS
09:53:16AM REMAINING IN ADJACENCY TO YOUR SITE.
09:53:20AM WE CAN THINK THROUGH THAT AND MAYBE SEE WHAT SOME OF OUR
09:53:23AM OTHER COLLEAGUES IN OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN RELATIONSHIP
09:53:25AM WITH THAT.
09:53:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
09:53:27AM OBVIOUSLY NOT EXPECTING ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO JUMP ON THEIR
09:53:30AM FEET -- I MEAN TO HAVE THE ANSWERS RIGHT AWAY.
09:53:32AM BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD
09:53:35AM GET BEHIND, BECAUSE, I MEAN, YEAH, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
09:53:38AM CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE CAN'T NOT BE
09:53:43AM ABLE TO HAVE A FIRE TRUCK DOWN.
09:53:44AM CAN'T NOT BE ABLE TO GET A GARAGE TRUCK DOWN.
09:53:47AM SO I THINK THOSE ARE -- I THINK BY AND LARGE THE COMMUNITIES
09:53:52AM WILL SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT WILL LEAVE ROOM
09:53:54AM FOR FOLKS TO GET AROUND I KNOW TECHNICALLY WE HAVE THESE
09:54:02AM SIGNS ALREADY IN SOME PARKS, BUT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
09:54:09AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED CONSTRUCTION CREWS PARKING IN
09:54:12AM THE PARKING LOT FOR PARKS, THAT SHOULD BE ON EVERY -- SHOULD
09:54:15AM BE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE WHETHER COMMERCIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL
09:54:20AM THAT THEY ABSOLUTELY CANNOT PARK AND USE PUBLIC PARK
09:54:28AM CONSTRUCTION TO PARK CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
09:54:30AM I KNOW SEVERAL PARKS HAVE SMALL PARKING LOTS.
09:54:32AM WE NEED TO RESERVE PARKING IN PARKS FOR PEOPLE USING PARKS.
09:54:36AM SO EVEN THOUGH IT IS TECHNICALLY PUBLIC, I KNOW THAT -- I
09:54:40AM HAVE SEEN PARKING FOR PARTICIPANTS ONLY.
09:54:52AM BUT TO PUT THAT IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE DOCUMENTATION OF
09:54:54AM CONSTRUCTION FOLKS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OUR PARKING
09:54:57AM CREWS OUT THERE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN HANDLE THAT.
09:55:00AM I THINK THAT WILL HELP EVERYONE SEVEN NEW PARKING ATTENDANTS
09:55:12AM I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION THE OTHER
09:55:14AM WAY YOU ARE.
09:55:14AM THAT IS MY SUGGESTION.
09:55:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN.
09:55:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE BUILT NOW.
09:55:19AM A COUPLE TWO OR THREE MONTHS BACK ON HABANA AND TAMPA BAY
09:55:23AM BOULEVARD ABOUT 60 FEET EAST THE SOUTH SIDE.
09:55:27AM A LOT WAS SPLIT.
09:55:29AM I NOTICED ONE DAY I WAS DRYING BY.
09:55:31AM SEEING THE FOOTING BEING DONE.
09:55:32AM NEXT DAY I GO DOWN.
09:55:33AM THE BLOCKS WERE COMING UP.
09:55:36AM NEXT WEEK I COME BY, THE SAND.
09:55:38AM AND THEN THE PLUMBER WAS THERE.
09:55:40AM NOW THE HOUSE IS UP WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND THE RAFTERS
09:55:52AM ARRIVED.
09:55:52AM EVERYTHING WORKED FINE.
09:55:53AM SOMETIMES MAYBE CLOSE TO THE AND A REAL, REAL BUSY STREET.
09:55:58AM TAMPA BOULEVARD CARRIES A LOT OF TRAFFIC EAST AND WEST.
09:56:02AM FOR ME IT WORKS PERFECT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
09:56:04AM MAYBE COINCIDENTAL EVERYTHING WORKED OUT.
09:56:08AM DIDN'T SEE ONE OR TWO CONTRACTORS.
09:56:10AM IF ONE WAS HERE TODAY, THE NEXT ONE SHOWED UP TOMORROW.
09:56:14AM THAT WAS BY ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEY ARE BUSY.
09:56:17AM THESE ARE THE THINGS I NOTICED.
09:56:19AM I AM NOT SAYING IT HAVEN'T HAPPENED SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT ALL
09:56:22AM PARKED ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD FACING EAST.
09:56:25AM SO I THINK WHATEVER THE CONTRACTOR WAS.
09:56:30AM I DON'T KNOW WHO DID.
09:56:31AM BUT IT WAS PERFECT.
09:56:32AM >> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE COMMENTED.
09:56:36AM ONE OF THE THINGS THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION AND PREPARATION OF
09:56:39AM OUR MEMO, A LOT OF THE SITES ARE VERY FLUID.
09:56:43AM AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE TRUSSES DROPPED OFF.
09:56:48AM YOU MAY HAVE SOMEONE CALL AND SAY THE TRUSSES HAVE BEEN
09:56:51AM DROPPED OFF AND GONE AND UP AT THE HOUSE ALREADY, AND THIS I
09:56:55AM THINK SO ARE MOVING IN A VERY FLUID MANNER AT THE RATE OF
09:56:58AM CONSTRUCTION IN SOME OF THESE.
09:56:59AM BUT IF SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING, THEY CAN -- THERE IS A
09:57:03AM FINISH, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL IN TO US AND OUR INSPECTION
09:57:06AM TEAMS ARE OUT AROUND THE CITY EVERY DAY.
09:57:09AM WE DO MORE THAN 500 NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY A DAY WITH
09:57:13AM OUR 30 SOME INSPECTORS.
09:57:16AM TYPICALLY SOMEBODY IS OUT IN AN AREA AND WE CAN SEND THEM
09:57:20AM BY.
09:57:20AM I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
09:57:22AM I SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING AND THEY GET THE TEXT AND CALL AND
09:57:25AM SAY, HEY, CAN YOU RUN BY AND CHECK ON THIS.
09:57:27AM LET THE CONTRACTOR KNOW, THEY NEED TO PULL IT UP OFF THE
09:57:30AM RIGHT-OF-WAY OR WHATEVER IT IS.
09:57:31AM IF YOU SEE SOMETHING OR -- I HEAR FROM SOMETIMES RESIDENTS
09:57:35AM WHO ARE IN HIGH TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:57:38AM AND JUST LET US KNOW AND WE ARE HAPPY TO GO BY AND TAKE A
09:57:42AM LOOK AND TRY TO RECTIFY THAT.
09:57:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
09:57:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PART OF THIS NOT ONE SOLUTION AND
09:57:50AM CONSTRUCTION IS SO COMPLEX.
09:57:51AM AND THE SCALE OF CONSTRUCTION IS SO COMPLEX.
09:57:53AM A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, THE RITZ-CARLTON CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
09:57:57AM AND THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC.
09:58:00AM I KNOW PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:58:02AM I LAID EYES ON THAT MANY TIMES AND I WAS ACTUALLY VICTIMIZED
09:58:06AM BY IT ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION.
09:58:09AM IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
09:58:10AM SO ALSO, SEEMS LIKE -- I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIT ON
09:58:15AM IT.
09:58:15AM IF YOU GO TO A POINT OF -- YOU CAN NOT -- IF IT IS
09:58:18AM SIMPLISTIC APPROACH IF YOU CAN NOT RESTRICT A ROAD
09:58:21AM RIGHT-OF-WAY TO A POINT WHERE -- WHERE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE
09:58:25AM CANNOT GO THROUGH, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, UNLESS YOU HAVE
09:58:28AM -- LIKE WE WOULD IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MERE AT THIS TIME TO
09:58:31AM HAVE A BLOCKAGE AND HAVE PD OUT THERE TO ENFORCE IT AND MOVE
09:58:37AM PEOPLE AWAY IF WE HAD TO.
09:58:38AM THAT SIMPLE OF A PROCESS.
09:58:40AM CAN'T RESTRICT ACCESS UNLESS IT IS PERMITTED AND HAVE PROPER
09:58:44AM ENFORCEMENT OUT THERE TO MOVE PEOPLE ALONG.
09:58:46AM BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU HAVE ROOFING AND ALL OF A
09:58:50AM SUDDEN THESE TRUCKS SHOW UP AND GONE IN 20 MINUTES OPPOSED
09:58:54AM TO A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON A YEAR AND A HALF AND
09:58:56AM IMPACTING A NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:58:57AM APPLES AND ORANGES SO DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH THE ONE
09:59:00AM SOLUTION TO THIS -- TO THIS COMPLEX PROBLEM.
09:59:02AM THANK YOU.
09:59:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:59:04AM ANYONE ELSE?
09:59:05AM ANY MOTIONS?
09:59:07AM YES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:59:08AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC TOO.
09:59:11AM I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MOTION ON THIS BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE
09:59:14AM PUT YOUR OWN RULES IN PLACE.
09:59:15AM AND A COUPLE OF GOOD IDEAS OF NOT PARKING ON PARKS.
09:59:18AM NOT BLOCKING ROADS.
09:59:19AM I WOULD ADD NOT ILLEGALLY PARKING.
09:59:21AM THAT MAY SOUND NORMAL, BUT WHEN THEY ARE ALL DOUBLE AND
09:59:26AM TRIPLE PARKED AND PARKED UP ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY SHOULD
09:59:32AM BE PARKED IN NORMAL SPACES.
09:59:33AM THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING OF SOME KIND OF NOTICE AT
09:59:38AM LEAST ON THE BIG ONES NOTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD
09:59:40AM ASSOCIATION.
09:59:40AM MAYBE THEY CAN'T DO 250 FEET, BUT AT LEAST NOTIFY THE
09:59:45AM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND SEE THE MAP AND WARN THEIR
09:59:47AM RESIDENT.
09:59:48AM THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
09:59:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK
09:59:53AM ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 2?
09:59:55AM YES, MA'AM, COME ON UP.
09:59:56AM AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:59:58AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:00:04AM >> GOOD MORNING, SANDY DE DIEGO SANCHEZ.
10:00:09AM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU HAVE FIVE HOUSES CONSTRUCT BY
10:00:12AM THREE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS ON ONE STREET, YOU GET TO SEE THE
10:00:17AM WORST AND THE BEST OF THEM.
10:00:18AM THREE DEVELOPERS ONE OF THEM FROM OUT OF STATE.
10:00:25AM THE ONLY DEVELOP THAT HAD THE COURTESY TO LET ME KNOW THAT
10:00:29AM THE CEMENT TRUCKS WERE COMING THE NEXT DAY.
10:00:31AM IF I NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, HE WANTED TO LET ME
10:00:34AM KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
10:00:35AM ON THE OTHER TWO A CONTRACTOR PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY, BLOCK MY
10:00:42AM CAR.
10:00:42AM AND WHEN I CAME OUT TO ASK HIM TO MOVE THE CAR, HE TOLD ME
10:00:47AM THEY WERE WORKING AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORK IT.
10:00:49AM I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE.
10:00:50AM AND THEN HE WAS UPSET BECAUSE I CALLED THE POLICE.
10:00:54AM THERE HAS TO BE A LISTING THAT THESE CONTRACTORS GET THAT
10:00:59AM WILL MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THEY SHOULD BE COURTEOUS TO
10:01:04AM THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE BEING INCONVENIENCED.
10:01:06AM THAT WENT ON FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
10:01:10AM AND I CAN TELL YOU MORE HORROR STORIES BUT THOSE ARE THE
10:01:15AM ONES THAT ARE THE MOST BLATANT.
10:01:17AM THE RIVETER -- WHATEVER YOU CALL IT THE JACKHAMMER AT 6:00 IN
10:01:22AM THE MORNING ON A SUNDAY MORNING BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO
10:01:24AM POURED THE CONCRETE THE DAY BEFORE DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT IS
10:01:29AM UNACCEPTABLE.
10:01:29AM NOT JUST THE OBSTRUCTION.
10:01:31AM IT IS THE NOISE.
10:01:32AM THERE HAS TO BE A LISTING OF SOME KIND THAT THE CONTRACTORS
10:01:36AM GET THAT MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THE INCONVENIENCES THEY ARE
10:01:46AM CAUSING TO THE PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES AND LIVE IN THOSE HOMES.
10:01:50AM I AM ASKING THERE IS SOME KIND OF COMMUNICATION AND
10:01:54AM CHECKLIST THEY LOOK AT SO THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IT IS
10:01:57AM THAT IS EXPECTED OF THIS PEOPLE.
10:01:58AM JUST BECAUSE A DEVELOPER DOESN'T MEAN YOU OWN THE STREET.
10:02:01AM THANK YOU.
10:02:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:02:05AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:02:06AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:02:09AM THIS IS A DELIGHTFUL EXPERIENCE I HAD BACK IN 2019 WHEN THEY
10:02:14AM WERE PUTTING SOMETHING ON THAT CRAZY WOMAN'S HOUSE ACROSS
10:02:16AM THE STREET FROM ME.
10:02:17AM BUT ANYWAY, AND THEY DOUBLED PARKED.
10:02:20AM AND I LIVE IN AN HOA.
10:02:23AM AND CAN YOU -- I AM SORRY.
10:02:24AM YOU -- HERE WE GO.
10:02:27AM SO I WALKED ACROSS THE STREET.
10:02:28AM AND I GET YELLED AT BY GROWN MEN SCREAMING AT ME BECAUSE I
10:02:33AM TOLD THEM YOU CANNOT DOUBLE PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
10:02:36AM STREET.
10:02:36AM YOU CAN SEE THEIR VANS ARE -- THEIR TRUCKS ARE ON BOTH SIDE
10:02:40AM OF THE STREETS.
10:02:41AM I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S IDEA YOU PARK ON THE SIDE OF
10:02:44AM THE STREET YOU ARE WORKING ON FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IS A
10:02:47AM REALLY GOOD IDEA.
10:02:47AM I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE TO WALK THREE BLOCKS.
10:02:50AM BECAUSE THIS WAS A SCREAMING MATCH.
10:02:53AM BECAUSE THEY WERE NASTY TO ME AND I DON'T PUT UP WITH IT.
10:02:59AM THEY DECIDED TO LEAVE -- SOME OF THE TRUCKS DECIDED TO LEAVE
10:03:02AM AND I HAVE A ROOFER ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME THAT HAS BEEN
10:03:05AM FABULOUS.
10:03:06AM THEY HAVE COME IN AND DID A NICE JOB AND PARKED ON ONE SIDE
10:03:11AM OF THE STREET AND APPLES AND ORANGES AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT
10:03:14AM YOU ARE GOING TO GET.
10:03:15AM AND PRETTY EASY TO MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT, TO BE HONEST YOU
10:03:20AM WITH.
10:03:20AM I LIVED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING IT.
10:03:22AM CEMENT TRUCKS LINED UP AROUND THE BLOCK.
10:03:24AM THEY HONKED HORNS AT 7:00.
10:03:27AM I WENT OUT THERE AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE ME AFTER THAT, BUT LET
10:03:31AM ME TELL YOU THE CEMENT DRIVERS SNITCHED ON THEM.
10:03:33AM BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT THOUGHT PROCESS
10:03:37AM I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TOTALLY LEGALLY MAD DOG AND
10:03:46AM ENGLISHMAN IS BEING FILLED UP.
10:03:49AM EVERY SPACE IN HIS PARKING LOT HAS BEEN PACKED OUT.
10:03:53AM WHY?
10:03:53AM THEY ARE FINISHING OUT CONSTRUCTION.
10:03:55AM TRAINING NEW PEOPLE.
10:03:56AM WE ARE BRINGING PEOPLE IN.
10:03:57AM THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
10:03:58AM BUT EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PARKING SPOT IN THEIR PARKING LOT
10:04:03AM IS FULL.
10:04:03AM AND I AM NOT CALLING THEM OUT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, I AM JUST
10:04:06AM POINTING OUT THAT WHEN YOU GOT ALL THESE CONSTRUCTION GUYS
10:04:09AM HERE AT ONE TIME, IT -- IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE
10:04:13AM TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS NOT ANY --
10:04:16AM YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE IN A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SMALL
10:04:18AM STREETS AND GARBAGE TRUCKS.
10:04:21AM THIS ISSUE HERE WAS, I HAD FIVE NEIGHBORS CONTACT ME THAT
10:04:25AM THEY COULDN'T GET OUT.
10:04:27AM I'M NOT GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR MY NEIGHBORS' PARKING SKILLS OR
10:04:32AM DRIVING SKILLS, BUT THOSE FOLKS COULDN'T GET OUT OF THEIR
10:04:35AM DRIVEWAY.
10:04:35AM THEY HAD TO TURN AROUND AND GO THE WRONG WAY IN THEIR
10:04:39AM ALLEYWAY TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOME.
10:04:40AM THAT IS JUST NOT FAIR.
10:04:41AM SO THANK YOU.
10:04:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:04:44AM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE OTHER IDEA -- AND I DON'T KNOW THE
10:04:49AM COMPLEXITY AND WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO
10:04:52AM DO ARE BUT ESPECIALLY IN SINGLE-FAMILY, MAYBE WE CAN REQUIRE
10:04:58AM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE PROJECT TO, LIKE, LEAVE ONE
10:05:05AM NOTICE ON EACH DOOR EITHER NEXT DOOR OR DIRECTLY ACROSS THAT
10:05:09AM GIVES CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THERE.
10:05:13AM AND THEN CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE CITY.
10:05:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
10:05:24AM WE CAN DO THAT.
10:05:25AM RIGHT NOW, IT IS ALL IN THE PERMIT BOX.
10:05:27AM SO IF THE NEIGHBOR WALKS UP TO THE PERMIT BOX, THERE IS A
10:05:30AM WAY -- I AM JUST THINKING IF WE SAY DO THAT, THEN HOW -- ARE
10:05:35AM THEY SENDING IT CERTIFIED MAIL AND GIVING US THE
10:05:39AM CERTIFICATION.
10:05:39AM ARE WE GOING BACK AND FORTH WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID IT.
10:05:42AM I AM TRYING TO THINK OF THE ASPECTS OF THAT.
10:05:44AM I THINK WHEN WE PUT -- WHEN WE PUT THE INFORMATION ON THE
10:05:49AM PERMIT, WHEN WE ISSUE THE PERMIT TO THEM, IF THE NEIGHBOR
10:05:54AM THEN HAS A PROBLEM LIKE JC WAS SAYING AND WE GO BACK AND
10:05:58AM SAY, YOU ACCEPTED THIS.
10:05:59AM THE CONDITIONS WERE THIS.
10:06:01AM YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO NEED A PUT A STOP WORK ORDER OR DO
10:06:04AM SOMETHING UNTIL YOU RECTIFY THE SITUATION OR SOMETHING LIKE
10:06:07AM THAT.
10:06:07AM I DO KNOW OF MANY THAT DO GO OUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO POUR
10:06:12AM OR OTHER THINGS AND HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS.
10:06:15AM BUT I AM JUST -- TYPICALLY, AS I MENTIONED, THE SITE IS SO
10:06:20AM FLUID, THOSE THINGS HAPPEN SO FAST THAT THEY COULD HAVE
10:06:22AM NOTICED AND THEY ARE ALREADY POURING AND IT IS DONE AND THEY
10:06:25AM GO OUT THERE.
10:06:26AM SO I NEED TO SET REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS WHAT WE CAN DO AND
10:06:31AM HOW FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
10:06:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT TALKING OF EVERY SINGLE THING DONE
10:06:36AM BUT JUST ONCE.
10:06:37AM AT THE BEGINNING.
10:06:38AM IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, THIS IS THE COMPANY'S PHONE NUMBER.
10:06:41AM AND IF THEY ARE NOT -- IF THEY DON'T LISTEN, HERE IS THE
10:06:45AM CITY HOTLINE, THE 24-7 HOTLINE.
10:06:48AM AS ONE OF THE COMMENTERS SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU DO AT 6
10:06:52AM A.M. ON A SUNDAY.
10:06:53AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: YOU CALL TPD.
10:06:56AM I HAVE DONE IT MYSELF.
10:06:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL JUST SAY FOR THOSE OF US WHO KNOW
10:07:03AM ABOUT THE DOC BOX, THAT SORT OF WORKS, BUT BECAUSE IT IS ON
10:07:07AM PRIVATE PROPERTY GENERALLY, PEOPLE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE GOING
10:07:11AM TO THAT DOC BOX.
10:07:13AM I HAD NEIGHBORS WHO SAID I DIDN'T REALIZE I CAN TO THAT
10:07:17AM BECAUSE IT IS ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
10:07:19AM I THINK THAT IS -- THAT IS THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT
10:07:21AM COMFORTABLE TO GO TO THOSE DOC BOXES.
10:07:24AM ESPECIALLY IF THE DOC BOX IS ON THE HOUSE.
10:07:28AM WHERE PEOPLE SAY, OH, NO, NOT GOING THERE.
10:07:30AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION?
10:07:33AM THIS NOTICE -- AND I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE TIME TO THINK
10:07:37AM THROUGH IT.
10:07:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, YEAH.
10:07:39AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ONLY FOR A FULL NEW CONSTRUCTION.
10:07:41AM NOT EVERY OTHER CHANGE OUT, A HOT WATER -- I MEAN, LIKE I AM
10:07:46AM SAYING --
10:07:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, YES.
10:07:48AM IF.
10:07:49AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE ISSUE A LOT OF PERMITS.
10:07:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:07:55AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SINGLE-FAMILY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
10:07:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
10:07:59AM TAPED TO THE DOOR.
10:08:00AM BASIC THING, HAVE A PROBLEM -- JUST A THOUGHT AND AN IDEA.
10:08:04AM OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT ARE GREAT.
10:08:06AM AND WHO ARE COMMUNICATIVE, BUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS
10:08:10AM REACH THE COMPANIES THAT AREN'T.
10:08:11AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: UNDERSTAND.
10:08:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK AS
10:08:17AM PART OF PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:08:18AM >> YES, SIR.
10:08:19AM IS IT PUBLIC COMMENT NOW?
10:08:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ALREADY HAD IT.
10:08:22AM YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER.
10:08:24AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
10:08:26AM AS YOU KNOW I AM CHAIRMAN OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION OF
10:08:29AM GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS COMMITTEE FOR TAMPA AND WHAT I WAS JUST
10:08:35AM TALKING TO JC ABOUT, IS SENDING A COURTESY NOTICE OUT TO THE
10:08:39AM BUILDERS THAT SAY, AS YOU ALL DISCUSSED, PARK ON ONE SIDE OF
10:08:43AM THE STREET.
10:08:43AM DON'T BLOCK THE STREET, PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH TAMPA AND
10:08:47AM WHERE THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW.
10:08:48AM AND I WILL WORK WITH THEM TO -- TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT WE
10:08:52AM CAN THEN SEND OUT TO THE BUILDERS.
10:08:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:08:55AM ANY MOTIONS?
10:08:57AM ANYTHING?
10:08:57AM IF NOT, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
10:08:59AM ALL RIGHT.
10:09:00AM ITEM NUMBER 3.
10:09:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
10:09:06AM IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET KIND OF AN UPDATE ABOUT IDEAS AND
10:09:11AM THOUGHTS?
10:09:12AM BECAUSE WE ARE COMING UP WITH GOOD IDEAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW
10:09:15AM -- YEAH, HOW THAT COMES BACK TO US.
10:09:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRING IT BACK AS A STAFF REPORT IN A
10:09:22AM FUTURE MEETING.
10:09:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LIKE A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:09:26AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN WE HAVE 60 TO 90 DAYS TO WORK ON THIS.
10:09:29AM I WAS JUST TALKING TO JC.
10:09:31AM MUCH LIKE WHEN WE ARE IN STATE OF EMERGENCY, HE THE ABILITY
10:09:34AM HOW THAT ACELA TO SHOOT OUT TO ALL THE LICENSED CONTRACTORS
10:09:39AM -- ANYBODY USING ACELA DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY, WE CAN
10:09:42AM PUT TOGETHER A LIST THAT WENT OUT.
10:09:44AM START WITH THAT.
10:09:44AM DOING A BLAST OUT TO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, VERSES TRYING TO
10:09:48AM DO PHYSICAL LETTERS, TO -- WE ALSO HAVE QUARTERLY ADVISORY
10:09:53AM MEETINGS.
10:09:53AM WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH TBA, AND QUARTERLY ADVISORY
10:09:59AM WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS.
10:10:02AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ABOUT MAY 1.
10:10:05AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: LAND USE ATTORNEYS.
10:10:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MARCH 27 AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT.
10:10:12AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: FEBRUARY 1 NEXT WEEK.
10:10:15AM CAN I HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THAN THAT?
10:10:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT APRIL 17.
10:10:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND.
10:10:24AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: A MEETING DATE?
10:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK: A REGULAR SESSION.
10:10:29AM JUST A WRITTEN REPORT.
10:10:30AM AN UPDATE.
10:10:31AM NOT THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS NEW STUFF.
10:10:34AM THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
10:10:34AM WE MET WITH THEM.
10:10:36AM SO NOTHING -- NOTHING BINDING, JUST YOUR WRITTEN REPORT OF
10:10:40AM WHERE YOU ARE.
10:10:41AM >> GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 17, WRITTEN REPORT.
10:10:43AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE A STATUS REPORT
10:10:47AM OF THE -- OF BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO, WHAT WE DISCUSSED AS
10:10:52AM POSSIBILITY GOING FORWARD -- SORRY -- ITEM 2.
10:11:00AM SO -- SO TO COME BACK FOR A STATUS REPORT FOR ALL THE IDEAS
10:11:06AM THAT WERE TAUGHT -- THAT WE -- THAT WE DISCUSSED ON
10:11:09AM APPROVING CONTRACTOR PARKING PLANS FOR INPUT FROM
10:11:17AM CONSTRUCTION AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AS A WRITTEN REPORT ON
10:11:19AM APRIL 17, 2025.
10:11:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:11:23AM SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:11:25AM HE GAME -- CAME IN QUICKLY WITH THE SECOND.
10:11:30AM MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING?
10:11:34AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MA MOTION WAS MOORE SPECIFIC.
10:11:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
10:11:37AM OPPOSED?
10:11:38AM ITEM --
10:11:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE QUICK THING, MISS FEELEY.
10:11:41AM THE -- THE ONE I SHALL I MENTION, AND I DIDN'T NAME THE
10:11:48AM NAMES, THE CONDO ON BAYSHORE.
10:11:50AM WHEN THE OWNER FOUND OUT WHAT THE SUBCONTRACTORS WERE DOING,
10:11:53AM HE WAS APPALLED.
10:11:55AM YOU TALKED OF THE CONTRACTOR AND GENERAL CONTRACTORS, SEEM
10:11:58AM IN THE BIG CONTRACTS, THE SUBS ARE VERY OFTEN NOT DOING
10:12:02AM THAT.
10:12:02AM I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A DISTINCTION OF A DIFFERENCE OF
10:12:06AM HOW TO COMMUNICATE, BUT THE SUBS ARE THE ONES WE NEED TO
10:12:09AM FOCUS ON.
10:12:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL HEAR FROM YOU APRIL 17.
10:12:11AM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, THIS IS YOUR MOTION, ITEM NUMBER.
10:12:15AM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KICK IT OFF.
10:12:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY.
10:12:17AM ONE OF THOSE LEARNING LESSONS.
10:12:20AM AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA, YOU SEE THINGS HAPPEN AND YOU DON'T
10:12:24AM UNDERSTAND HOW THEY HAPPEN AND WHY THEY HAPPENED.
10:12:26AM I GOT ON CITY COUNCIL AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED RECOGNIZING
10:12:28AM THAT THERE IS -- THERE ARE ISSUES IN HOW PAST COUNCILS HAVE
10:12:32AM APPROVED REDEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY.
10:12:35AM AND THOSE ARE CALLED PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS.
10:12:38AM SEEMS AS THOUGH THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT HAS KIND OF
10:12:41AM SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL.
10:12:42AM YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT -- I MEAN, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I
10:12:47AM BOTH SHARE THIS.
10:12:48AM YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE LAND USE MAPS WHEN THEY COME BEFORE
10:12:51AM US, AND EUCLIDIAN ZONING IS ALMOST LIKE AN AFTERTHOUGHT THAT
10:12:55AM ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS BECOMING ONE GIGANTIC
10:13:01AM PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE INTENT OF
10:13:03AM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
10:13:03AM IT SEEMS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT A PD WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED
10:13:07AM TO BE LARGER SCALE, MORE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS.
10:13:11AM AND, OF COURSE, GIVE AN INCH AND THEY WILL TAKE A MILE.
10:13:15AM A LOT OF DEVELOPERS AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SEEN OPPORTUNITIES
10:13:18AM TO USE A PD TO PUT SOMETHING OF TOO LARGE OF A SCALE,
10:13:25AM INAPPROPRIATE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, AND REALLY -- AND ONLY IN A
10:13:29AM WAY TO BY PASS CURRENT LAND USE AND ZONING CODES.
10:13:35AM AND I BELIEVE THERE IS A LAND USE POLICY ON PDs THAT
10:13:39AM SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT'S A PD IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED TO
10:13:45AM CIRCUMVENT RULES AND LAND USE POLICIES.
10:13:49AM YOU KNOW I -- I GET IT.
10:13:50AM LIKE WE -- I ACTUALLY HAVE VOTED IN FAVOR OF SOME PDs
10:13:55AM RECENTLY.
10:13:56AM WE HAVE SEEN THEM IN THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
10:13:59AM LARGER SCALE PROJECTS THAT ARE TRANSFORMATIONAL AND THE CITY
10:14:04AM OF TAMPA AND I GET THE FACT THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE
10:14:07AM ARE RE-CREATING.
10:14:08AM BUT, AGAIN, I DO NOT SEE WITH MAYBE JUST A FEW EXCEPTIONS.
10:14:13AM I GET IN A RESIDENTIAL -- A TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL
10:14:15AM NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO APPROVE A PD BECAUSE
10:14:22AM THEY HAVE -- IN ORDER TO SAVE A GRAND TREE, TO SAVE IT.
10:14:30AM OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT OR MISSING A FOOT OR SOMETHING
10:14:33AM LIKE THAT.
10:14:33AM BUT THERE ARE PROCEDURES AND THEY CAN ASK FOR VARIANCES FOR
10:14:37AM SETBACKS.
10:14:37AM INSTEAD THEY GO -- THIS IS A PAST OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
10:14:41AM HE FIND THAT THIS POLICY AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THESE
10:14:44AM NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN VERY DETRIMENTAL TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:14:48AM AND THIS IS WHERE WE SEE INAPPROPRIATE LAND SPLITS, LOT
10:14:51AM SPLITS.
10:14:52AM AGAIN, MASSING IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE COMPLETELY
10:14:54AM INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE AND THE SIZE OF THE
10:14:57AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:14:57AM I THINK ESPECIALLY WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH SOUTH TAMPA
10:15:01AM SPECIFICALLY WITH HURRICANE DAMAGE AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN
10:15:03AM THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT HAVING PROPER AREAS FOR RUNOFF
10:15:07AM IS PROBLEMATIC.
10:15:08AM AND I HAVE TO THINK THAT SOME OF THESE PDs AND PAST
10:15:13AM APPROVALS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS.
10:15:14AM WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE EUCLIDIAN TYPE OF LAND ZONING.
10:15:18AM WHY HAS A RULE IF WE ARE JUST GOING TO ROUTINELY WAIVE THAT
10:15:26AM RULE.
10:15:26AM ROLL IT OUT AND MAKE EVERYTHING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA A PD.
10:15:32AM RULES ARE RULES.
10:15:33AM LET'S STICK BY IT.
10:15:34AM YOUR HOME IS THE MOST SINGLE INVESTMENT THAT MOST PEOPLE
10:15:37AM MAKE IN THEIR LIVES.
10:15:38AM SHOULD BE PREDICTABILITY.
10:15:40AM YOU BUY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT IS BEING
10:15:42AM DEVELOPED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:15:43AM AND SOME OF THIS STUFF SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
10:15:45AM I THINK PD HAS SPIRALED OUT OF CONTROL AND THAT IS THE END
10:15:50AM OF MY LONG SPEECH.
10:15:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:15:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
10:15:54AM I COULDN'T I AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
10:15:55AM WHICH IS WHY I SAY WE ARE REDOING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:16:00AM AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADVISORY MEETING, WE HAD --
10:16:03AM THEY HAD A THREE-HOUR MEETING ON FRIDAY, AND I WAS THERE.
10:16:06AM IT WAS PHENOMENAL.
10:16:07AM ONE OF THE BEST CONVERSATIONS I EVER HEARD.
10:16:10AM THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS,
10:16:15AM BUILDERS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF YIMBY.
10:16:23AM EVERYBODY WHO NEEDS TO HAVE A VOICE IS REPRESENTED.
10:16:26AM REALLY GREAT CONVERSATION.
10:16:27AM AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT ONE DEVELOPER SAID.
10:16:29AM THEY SAID ALL WE WANT IS TO KNOW THE RULES SO I HIGHLY
10:16:35AM RECOMMEND THERE IS A MEET COMING UP.
10:16:38AM I BELIEVE IT IS FEBRUARY 4 AT P.M. AT HANNAH CITY CENTER
10:16:43AM WHERE THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE ASSESSMENT
10:16:48AM THAT CLARION HAS DONE -- THAT IS THE COMPANY THAT IS REDOING
10:16:52AM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:16:54AM I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU ALL TO COME.
10:16:56AM LISTEN.
10:16:57AM TALK.
10:16:57AM I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T BE DOING THE TALKING.
10:17:01AM ALL WE ARE DOING IS LISTENING.
10:17:02AM I REALLY HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.
10:17:04AM I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT PLAN DEVELOPMENT
10:17:08AM OF DEVELOPMENT.
10:17:09AM UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE STUCK WITH THIS WHEN WE DO OUR LAND
10:17:13AM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:17:13AM IT IS COMING AND IF YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT I HIGHLY
10:17:18AM RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET AS INVOLVED AS YOU CAN.
10:17:20AM I SAT AND LISTENED.
10:17:22AM THE BEST MEETING I HAVE BEEN TO THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JANUARY.
10:17:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP AND WE KEPT
10:17:28AM DEFERRING IT.
10:17:29AM BECAUSE IT WAS REACHING A LEVEL OF CRITICAL MASS.
10:17:32AM AND I REALLY WANTED THIS IN THE WORKSHOP FORECAST BECAUSE WE
10:17:37AM CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS TO EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF THIS FORMAT.
10:17:40AM AND I WANTED TO KIND OF HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS, AT
10:17:43AM LEAST AS WE GO FORWARD AND PEOPLE COME TO US WITH PDs NOT
10:17:47AM THINKING THAT WE ARE -- THAT THESE ARE ENTITLEMENTS.
10:17:50AM THAT THE PDs ARE ENTITLEMENTS.
10:17:53AM THEY HAVE THE GROUP AMONG THE SEVEN OF US BECAUSE THE
10:17:59AM APPROVING AUTHORITIES.
10:18:00AM GENERALLY -- AGAIN NOT BLACK AND WHITE AND GENERALLY WHAT IS
10:18:03AM APPROPRIATE.
10:18:03AM GENERALLY WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IS WHAT WE SEE IN THE
10:18:07AM TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND THE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECTS
10:18:10AM THAT ARE TRULY RE-CREATING THE CITY OF TAMPA IN A -- IN A
10:18:14AM VERY -- YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVE TYPE OF WAY.
10:18:16AM PUSHING TOWARD THAT IDEA OF DENSITY WHERE DENSITY IS
10:18:20AM INTENDED TO BE.
10:18:21AM AND NOT NECESSARILY USING PDs, AGAIN, TO DECIMATE
10:18:26AM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THAT ARE WELL ESTABLISHED.
10:18:28AM AND SHOULDN'T DECIMATED.
10:18:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:18:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE TO SOME DEGREE.
10:18:37AM IF YOU DON'T ALREADY FOLLOW RAY DELANEY, CITY NERD, ON
10:18:42AM VARIOUS SOCIAL MEDIA.
10:18:43AM HE DOES GREAT YOUTUBE VIDEOS.
10:18:46AM THE MOST RECENT ONE IS WHY WE SHOULDN'T BE BUILDING
10:18:49AM APARTMENTS NEXT TO HIGH TRANSIT CORRIDORS BECAUSE THAT IS
10:18:52AM REALLY BAD FOR PEOPLE'S HEALTH.
10:18:54AM IT IS INTERESTING.
10:18:55AM HE HAS REAL INTERESTING THOUGHTS AND WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.
10:19:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE THEM WALK?
10:19:02AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OF HOW TO ADD DENSITY THROUGHOUT.
10:19:04AM AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT -- AND THE
10:19:07AM DEVELOPERS AGREED DURING THIS CONVERSATION OF, YES, WE
10:19:11AM ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE WE PLAN.
10:19:13AM BUT THAT IS WHERE THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL DO IS
10:19:17AM TO MAKE DEVELOPMENT EASIER.
10:19:18AM SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US.
10:19:19AM BECAUSE THAT IS THE HARDEST THING TO DO, AND WE ARE TAKING
10:19:24AM OUT SMALL DEVELOPERS.
10:19:25AM SMALL DEVELOPERS CAN'T AFFORD TO GO THROUGH THE PD PROCESS.
10:19:28AM SO WHEN WE ARE FIXING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THEORY,
10:19:32AM WE WILL HAVE VERY FEW PDs BECAUSE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD
10:19:37AM --
10:19:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE KEY IN THEORY.
10:19:39AM IF WE CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE WILLY-NILLY PD, ALL THIS
10:19:45AM PROCESS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS FOR NOT.
10:19:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK: PART OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AFTER WE AGREE
10:19:53AM TO IT, A THREE TO SIX-MONTH PROCESS OF TESTING IT, TO SEE IF
10:19:58AM IT WORKS.
10:19:58AM LOOKING AT OLD PROJECTS, I BELIEVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY
10:20:02AM SEEING HOW IT CHANGES THINGS.
10:20:04AM THEY HAVE A WHOLE -- I RECOMMEND TALKING TO THE FOLKS FROM
10:20:07AM CLARION.
10:20:07AM THEY HAVE DONE THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
10:20:09AM IN THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR YOU, ABSOLUTELY.
10:20:12AM FIND OUT MAYBE TALKING TO FOLKS ON TUESDAY -- WHAT ELSE CAN
10:20:17AM WE TO DO MAKE SURE STUFF DOESN'T COME TO US.
10:20:20AM THAT IS THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THINGS NOT COME TO COUNCIL.
10:20:22AM TO HAVE THEM BE SO BLACK AND WHITE THAT WE ARE THE GRAY.
10:20:26AM AND THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE GRAY LEFT.
10:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:20:32AM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES WE NEED TO DO
10:20:36AM SOMETHING REGARDING THIS.
10:20:37AM I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAT THE RULE.
10:20:40AM WE SHOULD NOT END UP HAVING THE MAJORITY OF CASES BE PDs.
10:20:44AM ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE -- AND HOPEFULLY THE
10:20:49AM COMMITTEE WILL ADDRESS THIS.
10:20:50AM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PD IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT.
10:20:54AM I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT SO IT IS NOT THE BASIS FOR A
10:20:58AM LAWSUIT.
10:20:59AM IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING
10:21:01AM LAND USE, THE EXPECTATION I ALWAYS SAY THE EXPECTATION OF AN
10:21:06AM ENTITLEMENT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT.
10:21:10AM TAKE OUT THE ABILITY TO SUE BECAUSE OF IT.
10:21:12AM THE MEDIA TEAMS SLANDERS US AND SAY THESE BIG, BAD PEOPLE
10:21:17AM DIDN'T APPROVE THE EXPECTATION OF AN ENTITLEMENT BECAUSE THE
10:21:21AM DEVELOPER WANTED IT.
10:21:22AM NOT ENTITLED.
10:21:24AM YOU BUY A PROPERTY WITH THE ENTITLEMENT ON IT.
10:21:27AM IF YOU HOPE TO CHANGE IT, THAT IS THE PROCESS.
10:21:29AM BUT THERE IS A PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
10:21:31AM ANY WAY TO TAKE OUT THE ABILITY OF A LAWSUIT.
10:21:34AM OTHER INTERESTING THING IS THE REVERSE OF IT THOUGH FLIPSIDE
10:21:44AM OF THE PDs.
10:21:45AM BECAUSE IT IS A PD YOU CAN'T CHANGE MUCH AND IT IS TRAPPED
10:21:49AM AND DOESN'T AFFECT MOST PEOPLE FROM 20 TO 30 YEARS BUT FUN
10:21:53AM SEEING THE OTHER SIDE OF IT WHEN THEY HAVE TO GET OUT OF
10:21:55AM THAT SITUATION SOMETIMES THEY IN EFFECT DOWNZONE CREATING
10:22:01AM A PD AND THEY SAY THAT IS NOT OUR FOUGHT.
10:22:04AM WE DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT.
10:22:06AM OBLIGATION AND LIABILITY TO GIVE US WHATEVER WE WANT.
10:22:09AM THIS IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ENTITLEMENTS
10:22:13AM ARE.
10:22:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I PROBABLY WANT TO OFF THIS DAIS A
10:22:17AM BRIEFING FROM LEGAL.
10:22:18AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER.
10:22:21AM HOW WE CAN DENY A PD AND SOMEBODY CAN BE GO THROUGH THE
10:22:24AM LEGAL PROCESS AND SUE US BASED ON A DENIAL OF A PD WHEN THEY
10:22:28AM HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.
10:22:29AM THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A CHANGE OF APPROVAL.
10:22:31AM COUNTER INTUITIVE TO ME.
10:22:33AM SO THAT IS INTERESTING WE ARE PUT IN THAT SITUATION THAT WE
10:22:37AM DENY A PD WHICH SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION AND HOW IN THE WORLD
10:22:40AM WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT DEFENDABLE BY OUR LEGAL
10:22:43AM STAFF.
10:22:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, CARLSON.
10:22:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AVENUE QUESTION FOR -- BECAUSE THAT IS A VERY
10:22:49AM GOOD POINT.
10:22:50AM THE PDs THAT ARE THERE.
10:22:53AM SAY SOMEBODY HAD SOMETHING THEY PDED IN THE '80s AND READY
10:22:59AM TO REDEVELOP.
10:23:00AM AND WE HAVE THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT OF DEVELOPMENT CODE IN
10:23:03AM PLACE.
10:23:03AM A WAY TO BACKTRACK THROUGH EUCLIDIAN.
10:23:07AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
10:23:12AM THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE TO A EUCLIDIAN.
10:23:16AM YOU CAN REZONE -- WE HAVE REZONED PDs TO EUCLIDIAN DISTRICT.
10:23:21AM WE CAN DO THAT.
10:23:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT A BIG PROCESS?
10:23:24AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO.
10:23:25AM YOU BRING IN THE SURVEY.
10:23:26AM AND YOU MAKE THE REQUEST.
10:23:27AM AS LONG AS YOU MEET THE MINIMUM -- IT IS LIKE I THINK THE
10:23:31AM FEE IS $1,000 AND THEY CAN GO BACK.
10:23:33AM YOU CAN DO THAT TODAY.
10:23:35AM YOU CAN GO FROM PD TO RM-4.
10:23:37AM PD TO CG.
10:23:40AM AS LONG AS THAT UNDER LYING LAND USE SUPPORTS THE EUCLIDIAN
10:23:44AM DISTRICT YOU ARE REQUESTING STORE.
10:23:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WITH
10:23:48AM THE NEW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:23:49AM INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PD AND WHO ARE READY TO
10:23:53AM REDEVELOP TO SAY, OH, WE DON'T NEED A PD.
10:23:56AM WAY MORE EXPENSE TESTIFY TO BE A PD IF WE STICK WITH THE
10:24:01AM EUCLIDIAN WILL BE ALL GOOD.
10:24:02AM THIS IS HOW I KNOW THAT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WORKS IF
10:24:06AM THEY SAY, OH, I WOULD RATHER DO EUCLIDIAN.
10:24:09AM I CAN GET MORE AND I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS GIANT
10:24:12AM PROCESS OF PD.
10:24:14AM I THINK THAT MAKES IT TO THE POINT.
10:24:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT DO WE CHARGE FOR PDs?
10:24:18AM REIMBURSING FOR THE AMOUNT OF STAFF AND TIME?
10:24:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE ARE IN A FEE STUDY ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
10:24:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON PDs THEMSELVES?
10:24:31AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I MEAN IN ALL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE -- AND
10:24:33AM HISTORIC PRESERVATION DONE BY RAFTELIS AND WE ARE MEETING
10:24:39AM WITH THEM.
10:24:39AM AN JC'S TEAM ALSO.
10:24:41AM JC'S TEAM, DENNIS FERNANDEZ'S TEAM, WE WILL ALL HAVE THAT
10:24:51AM INFORMATION.
10:24:51AM WANT TO TELL YOU THAT MARCH 3 IS THE MEETING FOR LAND
10:24:57AM DEVELOPMENT CODE AT HANNA.
10:24:58AM THAT IS OKAY.
10:24:58AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CORRECTED.
10:25:00AM BUT ALSO MARCH 6, CLARION IS SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW FEBRUARY 6.
10:25:05AM BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING THE PUBLIC MEETING TO MARCH 3, ASK
10:25:09AM THAT CLARION COME TO YOU ON MARCH 6 TO PROVIDE A BRIEF
10:25:13AM PRESENTATION.
10:25:13AM I BELIEVE ABOUT 10 TO 12 MINUTES ON AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE
10:25:17AM ARE IN THAT PROCESS AS WE NOW HAVE THE ASSESSMENT AND THEY
10:25:24AM PUBLIC ASSESSMENT OUT AT THAT TIME AND HAVE FEEDBACK ON
10:25:27AM THAT.
10:25:28AM AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT PHASE WHICH WILL BE THE CODE WRITING.
10:25:31AM AND THAT WILL COME IN INSTALLMENTS AND WE HAVE A 1400-PAGE
10:25:36AM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RIGHT NOW TO REWRITE AND UPDATE SO
10:25:39AM THAT IS GOING TO COME BACK IN INSTALLMENTS FOR REVIEW AND
10:25:43AM COMMENTS.
10:25:44AM NOT TO EVER GIVE SOMEBODY BACK A WHOLE CODE WHERE THEY WILL
10:25:48AM HAVE TO LOOK EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
10:25:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
10:25:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING FURTHER.
10:25:53AM GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:25:55AM ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3?
10:25:58AM PLEASE COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:26:00AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:26:00AM GOOD MORNING.
10:26:05AM >> GOOD MORNING, SANDRA SANCHEZ.
10:26:08AM I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL --
10:26:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WATCH YOUR STEP THERE.
10:26:13AM >> EXCUSE ME?
10:26:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STEPHANIE WAS COMING UP.
10:26:19AM >> I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE DRAFT AVAILABLE TO
10:26:22AM YOU ONLINE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
10:26:24AM IT IS LENGTHY.
10:26:25AM IT'S BORING.
10:26:26AM IT IS REDUNDANT.
10:26:28AM BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT DIRECTION
10:26:32AM THAT THEY ARE TAKING.
10:26:33AM ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WILL BE ESPECIALLY INTERESTING TO YOU
10:26:37AM IS HOW THEY WANT TO CONSOLIDATE STAFF-LEVEL DECISION MAKING
10:26:41AM AND GIVING AUTHORITY TO OTHER PEOPLE OTHER THAN YOU.
10:26:45AM I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT IN YOUR SPARE TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE
10:26:49AM TO READ IT ALL IN ONE TIME.
10:26:51AM I READ IT IN BITS AND PIECES.
10:26:53AM IMPORTANT THAT YOU START LOOKING AT THE THINGS COMING UP SO
10:26:57AM YOU ARE NOT BOMBARDED BY IT ALL ONE TIME.
10:27:01AM ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST.
10:27:03AM AS FAR AS GOING EUCLIDIAN, SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL IDEA.
10:27:06AM MOST EUCLIDIAN DOES NOT REQUIRE SITE PLAN TO BE PRESENTED TO
10:27:11AM YOU ALL.
10:27:12AM THINK OF THAT TOO.
10:27:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:27:15AM YES, MA'AM.
10:27:16AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:27:21AM YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM TIRED.
10:27:22AM I WAS TIRED LAST NIGHT AND CRANKY.
10:27:25AM AND I WAS PRETTY STINKY NASTY TO A DEVELOPER.
10:27:29AM I OWE THEM AN APOLOGY.
10:27:31AM I AM TIRED.
10:27:32AM HERE IN 2019 WHEN I STARTED COMING HERE.
10:27:35AM I WOULD BRING LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE ME.
10:27:38AM NOT LIKE THE CROWD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD
10:27:41AM BRING PEOPLE TO ME.
10:27:42AM WE HAD A NICE CROWD.
10:27:44AM WE HAD A LARGE GROUP OF NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO WORKED VERY
10:27:49AM HARD ON THIS.
10:27:50AM I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FIVE YEARS NOW.
10:27:51AM JUST ME AND CARROLL ANNE NOW.
10:27:53AM YOU KNOW WHY?
10:27:54AM BECAUSE WE ARE TIRED.
10:27:56AM BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE LIVES.
10:27:59AM AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE STUCK DRIPPING, DRUG IN HERE
10:28:05AM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
10:28:07AM THE HEARING TONIGHT, FOUR, FIVE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY
10:28:11AM TIMES WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE SAME STINKING PROJECT.
10:28:13AM AND WE WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME DOING IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
10:28:17AM WE HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT IS MORE AND MORE APPARENT TO ME
10:28:22AM ALL THE TIME.
10:28:26AM WE LIVE SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:28:29AM WE HAVE DOUBLED OUR DWELLING UNITS.
10:28:30AM I HAVEN'T SEEN THE NUMBERS FOR THIS LAST YEAR.
10:28:36AM WENT FROM 9,000 UNITS TO 20,000 UNITS SINCE THE LAST
10:28:39AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:28:40AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT LOOK LIKE THIS YEAR.
10:28:43AM MY BUDDY AT THE GIS, WE HAVEN'T CONTACTED HIM YET TO SEE HOW
10:28:49AM MANY MORE DWELLING UNITS WE HAVE.
10:28:51AM ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS -- THIS IS WHAT DEVELOPERS DO,
10:28:54AM THEY COME IN HERE AND SAY YOU LET ALL THESE PEOPLE DO IT.
10:28:56AM THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE.
10:28:58AM YOU LET THEM DO IT.
10:29:00AM WE ALL SHOULD GET TO DO IT TOO.
10:29:02AM AT ONE POINT DO WE SAY, OKAY, UP, WE ARE GOOD.
10:29:06AM WHEN I GOT DEVELOPERS CALLING ME TELLING ME THEY DON'T WANT
10:29:10AM TO BUILD APARTMENTS ANYMORE SOUTH OF GHANDI AND THEY WOULD
10:29:13AM LIKE TO CHANGE SOMETHING UP.
10:29:14AM GUESS WHAT, THAT TELLS ME IT IS FULL.
10:29:17AM THAT TELLS ME THEY CAN'T RENT ALL THE CRAP THEY ALREADY
10:29:20AM BUILT WHICH I THINK IS LOVELY.
10:29:22AM I ENJOY RUBBING THEIR NOSES IN IT.
10:29:24AM BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ALL OF YOU COUNCIL SHOULD BE
10:29:28AM WATCHING THESE MEETINGS.
10:29:29AM I KNOW THE VIDEOTAPE -- BOTH OF THE MEETINGS -- ALL THREE OF
10:29:33AM THE MEETINGS.
10:29:33AM I -- I ONLY ATTENDED ONE.
10:29:35AM AND -- AND I AM WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN -- LIKE I SAID I
10:29:44AM AM TIRED.
10:29:44AM I AM TOTALLY WITH HIM.
10:29:45AM WHY -- IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.
10:29:51AM WHY THE HELL DO YOU GET TO SUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET WHAT
10:29:54AM YOU WANT, BUT IT WASN'T YOUR RIGHT ANYWAY.
10:29:57AM I DON'T GET IT.
10:29:58AM AND -- THIS IS THE THING THAT ALWAYS BEFUDDLES ME.
10:30:02AM MOST OF THESE PEOPLE WHO COME IN HERE CRYING THE BLUES AND
10:30:05AM THEY WANT TO DO THIS WITH THIS PROPERTY, THEY DON'T EVEN OWN
10:30:09AM THAT PROPERTY.
10:30:09AM THEY DON'T EVEN OWN THE PROPERTY.
10:30:12AM THINK ABOUT THAT.
10:30:13AM THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR THE PROPERTY BEFORE THEY
10:30:17AM BUY IT.
10:30:18AM YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU WEREN'T PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE
10:30:20AM PROPERTY TO START WITH, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD WHAT YOU
10:30:24AM WANT.
10:30:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:25AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:30:27AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
10:30:29AM LOOK, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY HOW WE GOT
10:30:33AM HERE AND YOUR SEEING SO MANY PDs.
10:30:36AM MOST OF THE CASES USED TO COME BEFORE YOU WERE EUCLIDIAN.
10:30:40AM WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT NOT JUST THIS COUNCIL, BUT OTHER
10:30:44AM COUNCIL BILLS ADDED REQUIREMENTS ON TO THE EUCLIDIAN ZONINGS
10:30:50AM DISTRICTS OR ADDED THEM INTO THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
10:30:53AM AND THEY REQUIRE WAIVERS.
10:30:54AM YOU CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT COMING BACK BEFORE YOU IF YOU
10:31:03AM WANT HIGHER DENSITY THROUGH A LAND USE AMENDMENT YOU HAVE A
10:31:07AM THE DESIGNATION OF R-0 FOR 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE.
10:31:11AM YOU ONLY GET 18 UNITS TO THE ACRE ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS
10:31:16AM UNLESS WE COME TO YOU.
10:31:16AM AND ASK FOR THE INCREASE IN DENSITY.
10:31:19AM WE HAVE -- AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF
10:31:24AM NONCONFORMANCIES CREATED IN 1987.
10:31:28AM USED TO HAVE A PROCESS CALLED THE 80% RULE THAT YOU DID AWAY
10:31:34AM WITH.
10:31:34AM AND CHANGE IT TO A SPECIAL USE HEARING AND YOU GOT AWAY WITH
10:31:39AM THAT.
10:31:39AM EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE OR SPECIAL USE WAS
10:31:44AM ELIMINATED, AND NOW ALL SHIFTS TO PDs.
10:31:46AM EVERY BIT OF IT.
10:31:47AM SO A LOT OF THAT WAS BASED ON COUNCIL ACTION THAT, YOU KNOW,
10:31:52AM PEOPLE COMING BEFORE YOU HAD TO FOLLOW A PROCESS.
10:31:54AM AND THE ONLY PROCESS LEFT WAS PD.
10:31:57AM IT IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT -- AND I WOULD STRESS THAT ANY
10:32:05AM PETITIONER WHO COMES BEFORE IS YOU FOR PERMISSION AND NOT AN
10:32:10AM ENTITLEMENT AND ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION BASED ON A HARDSHIP
10:32:14AM WHICH IS OUR OBLIGATION TO TELL YOU WHAT THAT HARDSHIP IS,
10:32:17AM AND WHY WE CAN'T DO A EUCLIDIAN ZONING.
10:32:20AM I HAD CASES IS THAT GO STRAIGHT EUCLIDEAN.
10:32:23AM I HAD SOME THAT WERE PDs THAT WOULD TAKE BACK TO EUCLIDIAN,
10:32:28AM AND THE CURRENT CODES ARE NOT HELPFUL OR SYMPATHETIC TO
10:32:33AM BUILDING STRAIGHT PDs.
10:32:34AM IT IS AN EXCEPTION NOW FOR -- FOR EUCLIDIANS OPPOSED TO THE
10:32:41AM RULE AS YOU KNOW COUNCILMAN SITTING THROUGH THE THREE-HOUR
10:32:48AM MEETING WE DID LAST WEEK.
10:32:50AM SOME OF THE STUFF WILL GET CORRECTED.
10:32:51AM BUT THERE WILL STILL BE GAPS WHERE YOU NEED A SAFETY VALVES
10:32:56AM AND THE PDs WILL BE A SAFETY VALVE.
10:33:00AM WHAT HAS BECOME A SAFETY VALVE BECOME THE NORM.
10:33:03AM IT CAN ABOUT A NORM BECAUSE YOU ALL AND THE STAFF HAVE ADDED
10:33:07AM REGULATIONS.
10:33:07AM YOU CAN'T GET PAST THEM.
10:33:09AM YOU CAN'T HAVE A NUMBER OF WAIVERS.
10:33:11AM NOT REAL STOCK BEEN TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR SMALLER
10:33:15AM PROJECTS FOR FOUR OR FIVE WAIVERS THAT CAN'T BE WAIVED BY
10:33:18AM EVERYONE BUT YOU.
10:33:19AM VEHICULAR ACCESS CAN ONLY BE WAIVED BY YOU.
10:33:25AM SO THE FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES ARE EX-
10:33:29AM URGE YOU WORKING WITH STAFF AND WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO COME
10:33:33AM UP WITH SOME METHODOLOGY THAT HELPS.
10:33:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
10:33:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU CAN STAY THERE, MR. MICHELINI, IF YOU
10:33:46AM WOULD LIKE.
10:33:46AM I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR
10:33:49AM ALVAREZ REQUESTS.
10:33:50AM YOU CAN GO THROUGH THAT.
10:33:51AM THIS IS WHAT -- THIS IS WHAT I FINDS HAPPENS, ESPECIALLY IN
10:33:56AM SOME OF THESE MORE COMPLEX SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE
10:33:58AM MULTIPLE VARIABLES.
10:34:03AM IT IS VERY DIFFICULT BEFORE THIS ONE PRESENTATION BEFORE THE
10:34:06AM SEVEN OF US TO VET THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT VARIABLES.
10:34:10AM IF YOU DENT THROUGH A MORE APPROPRIATE CITY -- WENT THROUGH
10:34:15AM A MORE APPROPRIATE CITY APPROACH -- OR VARIANCE REQUEST.
10:34:18AM THESE ARE LOOKED INTO FOR DETAILS AND EVERY ONE OF THESE
10:34:23AM THINGS LIKE YOU SAID STREET ACCESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS
10:34:26AM REALLY BEING VETTED OUT.
10:34:28AM SO WHY -- I MEAN -- IF WE JUST MADE IT TOO EASY TO GET A PD
10:34:34AM RATHER THAN A VARIANCE, LET'S SAY FOR -- YOU WANT TO DO
10:34:38AM SOMETHING.
10:34:38AM AND YOU LACK SIX INCHES.
10:34:39AM YOU KNOW, WHICH IS SILLY.
10:34:42AM OBVIOUSLY A NO BRAINER.
10:34:44AM BUT IF WE MADE IT TOO EASY TO DO THAT VIA PD VERSUS GETTING
10:34:50AM A VARIANCE.
10:34:50AM WHY IS EVERYBODY GOING FOR A PD INSTEAD OF A VARIANCE?
10:34:56AM >> FIRST OF ALL, THE PD IS NOT AN EASY ROUTE.
10:34:58AM 14 DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE FULLY ENGAGED IN THE SITE PLAN.
10:35:02AM AND EARLIER, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS REALLY LIKED PDs
10:35:07AM BECAUSE WHAT WAS ON THAT PLAN IS WHAT YOU GET.
10:35:09AM AND AS ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS POINTED OUT, YOU DON'T GET
10:35:13AM IT TO CHANGE IT.
10:35:13AM THERE ARE VERY SMALL INCREMENTS YOU CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS
10:35:19AM ON AT ALL.
10:35:19AM AND IT IS LIMITED BY CODE.
10:35:22AM AS I SAID, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THE PROCESS OF GET TO WHERE
10:35:30AM YOU WANTED TO BE OR THROUGHOUT VARIANCE APPROVAL HAS BEEN
10:35:34AM REVIEWED.
10:35:35AM WE PUSHED ALL OF THESE THINGS SO THAT THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE
10:35:38AM LEFT IS A PK.
10:35:39AM SO YOU ARE GET WHAT THIS COUNCIL AND OTHER COUNCILS ASKED
10:35:46AM FOR.
10:35:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT?
10:35:51AM THAT THE ONLY OPTION IS A PD.
10:35:55AM IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT?
10:35:56AM THAT THE ONLY PATH IS A PD VERSUS OTHER LEGAL PROCEDURES?
10:36:01AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY.
10:36:02AM I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
10:36:04AM YOU ASKED MR. MICHELINI ON HIS OPINION.
10:36:09AM I WAS LETTING HIM FINISH.
10:36:11AM IN TERMS OF WHAT -- YOU KNOW WHAT OUR STAFF DOES A COUPLE OF
10:36:16AM THINGS.
10:36:17AM YOU KNOW A VARIANCE YOU CAN NOT USE A VARIANCE FOR A
10:36:20AM SUBSTANDARD LOT.
10:36:22AM YOU CAN NOT.
10:36:23AM AND SO SOME OF THE PDs YOU SEE ARE 48-FOOT LOTS AND
10:36:29AM SPLITTING TO BE 49-AND-A-HALF-FOOT LOTS.
10:36:32AM THOSE HAVE TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
10:36:33AM BECAUSE AS MR. MICHELINI MENTIONED THE 80% RULE IS NO MORE.
10:36:37AM SO THAT HAS TO BE -- I THINK THE DIFFERENTIAL IN LOOKING AT
10:36:41AM THIS.
10:36:41AM AND PLEASE REMEMBER, I SERVED ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DAIS.
10:36:45AM I REPRESENTED PEOPLE WHO COME TO YOU FOR PDs.
10:36:48AM VARIANCES ARE A HARDSHIP REVIEW.
10:36:52AM A SET OF CRITERIA THAT REQUIRE THAT YOU PROVE A HARDSHIP.
10:36:56AM A VARIANCE -- A PD IS A COMPATIBILITY REVIEW.
10:37:00AM IT HAS A SET OF CRITERIA THAT REQUIRES YOU DEMONSTRATE
10:37:03AM COMPATIBILITY.
10:37:04AM SO I THINK A LOT OF APPLICANTS CHOOSE TO COME BEFORE YOU AND
10:37:12AM SEEK TO PROVE COMPATIBILITY BEFORE GOING TO THE BOARD TO
10:37:19AM PROVE A HARDSHIP.
10:37:20AM THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE ALSO MINOR MODIFICATIONS AND
10:37:24AM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHERE
10:37:30AM YOU CAN GET PIECE WHAT WAS YOU NEED, BUT THE MOST HOLISTIC
10:37:34AM WAY TO COME TO YOU VET ALL OF THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED
10:37:38AM IS USE A SITE CONTROL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
10:37:41AM THAT BEING SAID, YOU RAISED A VERY GOD POLICY IN THE
10:37:46AM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OFTEN USED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION
10:37:49AM WHEN A PROJECT HAS TEETERED PAST THAT POINT OF -- NOT THE
10:37:54AM MECHANISM FOR WAIVING EVERY CODE.
10:37:56AM AND I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO THE ONUS ON THE APPLICANT
10:38:02AM IMPROVING TO YOU THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE AND PERHAPS BY
10:38:07AM ISSUING 12 WAIVERS, IT IS NOT COMPATIBILITY.
10:38:12AM I THINK THAT PRESENTATION COMES TO YOU.
10:38:13AM THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NARRATIVE WITH THOSE PDs WHEN THEY
10:38:18AM ARE FILED THAT SHOWS THAT.
10:38:19AM AND HERE IS WHY THE LAST PIECE TO THAT THOUGH IS THAT WE
10:38:27AM HAVE SEEN MANY OF OUR CODES, OUR SUBURBAN CODES, THAT DO NOT
10:38:30AM ALLOW FOR THE BALANCE OF DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN A WAY THAT
10:38:35AM CAN SATISFY THOSE CODES.
10:38:36AM I WON'T SAY REGULATIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL AND STAFF HAS PUT
10:38:40AM IN PLACE THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMETHING TO GO UNDER
10:38:46AM A EUCLIDIAN DISTRICT.
10:38:48AM 350 SQUARE FOOT OF GREEN SPACE.
10:38:52AM WHEN YOU TRY TO FIT ALL OF THAT IN THE VERY SMALL LOTS OR
10:38:55AM SMALLER LOTS THAT WE HAVE AND STILL GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF
10:39:01AM UNITS, IT IS A CHALLENGE BUT IT IS STILL COMING TO YOU UNDER
10:39:07AM AN UMBRELLA OF COMPATIBILITY AND THE BOARD NEED TO LOOK AT
10:39:11AM YOU AND SAY IS THIS COMPATIBILITY.
10:39:14AM NINE CRITERIAS UNDER THE PDs.
10:39:17AM HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE I PROCESSED ONE MYSELF.
10:39:25AM SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE.
10:39:28AM YOU PIE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND AN ENTITLEMENT ON IT
10:39:35AM PARAMETERS THAT YOU NEED TO DO THAT IF YOU COME BEFORE THIS
10:39:38AM BOARD.
10:39:38AM AND THAT IS THE CASE WE NEED TO SHOW YOU VERSUS GOING
10:39:44AM THROUGH THE VARIANCE AND PROVING A HARDSHIP THAT I FEEL
10:39:47AM PEOPLE JUST DON'T TAKE THAT ROUTE.
10:39:48AM BECAUSE IT IS A HARDER ROUTE.
10:39:51AM AND THERE ARE CRITERIA WITH BOTH.
10:39:54AM BUT I ALSO HOPE WITH THE CODE UPDATE, THESE CRITERIA AND
10:39:58AM PROCESSES AND SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PRESENTED
10:40:01AM TO YOU ARE MODERNIZED IN A WAY THAT IS REFLECTED OF OUR CITY
10:40:06AM AND HOW WE SEEK TO GROW IN THE FUTURE.
10:40:08AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:40:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:40:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WHAT I RECOMMEND WE ALL DO IS AS WE ARE
10:40:16AM LOOKING TO SOME OF THESE PDs AS IT FORWARD.
10:40:22AM TO CREATE A LIST OF THINGS YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SO WHEN
10:40:26AM YOU ARE LOOKING.
10:40:26AM I ALSO RECOMMEND MISS SANCHEZ'S RECOMMENDATION OF READING.
10:40:31AM RIGHT NOW, IT IS ONLY AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR CODE.
10:40:35AM RIGHT.
10:40:35AM THEY HAVEN'T DONE ACTUAL WRITE ORGANIZE REWRITING BUT AN
10:40:38AM ASSESSMENT OF WHAT IS NOT WORKING BASICALLY.
10:40:41AM SO -- OR WHAT IS WORKING.
10:40:43AM THEY KIND OF LOOK AT THAT -- BUT -- BUT, YES, I WILL
10:40:48AM RECOMMEND KIND OF KEEPING A LIST.
10:40:49AM JUST THINKING ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THAT -- THAT MISS
10:40:54AM FEELEY BROUGHT UP.
10:40:55AM HOW COULD WE -- WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE CHANGED.
10:40:58AM THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION FOR EVERYONE.
10:41:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
10:41:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
10:41:04AM A COUPLE OF THINGS TOP.
10:41:06AM TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REGARDING CHANGES YOU
10:41:09AM WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
10:41:10AM I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT WHEN IT
10:41:14AM COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU SEE, IT IS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
10:41:17AM YOU HAVE THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE AS IT EXISTS TODAY UPON
10:41:22AM WHICH YOU MUST BASE YOUR DECISION AS TEMPTS AS IT IS DURING
10:41:26AM A HEARING TO SAY I DISAGREE WITH WHAT THE CODE SAYS, I
10:41:29AM DISAGREE WITH THE POLICY AND THEREFORE I AM NOT GOING TO
10:41:32AM VOTE FOR IT ARE ASKING FOR -- IS INVITING CHALLENGES.
10:41:35AM TIME GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL WHEN YOU HEAR
10:41:39AM THESE THINGS, PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL.
10:41:45AM PARTICULARLY OF WAIVERS.
10:41:46AM TWO-PAGE PD CRITERIA.
10:41:50AM BURDEN FOR WAIVERS IS UPON THE APPLICANT AND THE QUESTION
10:41:54AM IS, DOES CITY COUNCIL WEIGH THAT AND SAY IF THE APPLICANT
10:41:56AM HAS MET THEIR -- THEIR BURDEN TO JUSTIFY THE WAIVER.
10:42:02AM AND I THINK MISS FEELEY BRINGS UP THE EXCELLENT POINT.
10:42:07AM THE WAIVER CRITERIA IS DIFFERENT THAN THE VARIOUS CRITERIA
10:42:13AM AND INDICATES SHE IS VERY ACCURATE IN HER ASSESSMENT.
10:42:17AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE TAMPA UNIQUE IN MY EXPERIENCE IS
10:42:22AM MOST MUNICIPALITIES HAVE PLANNING BOARDS WHICH IS THE FIRST
10:42:24AM TIME SOMEBODY WOULD ACTUALLY -- AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN
10:42:28AM OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PRESENTATION -- THE NEIGHBORHOODS
10:42:30AM WOULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
10:42:31AM THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A HEARING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BASED
10:42:35AM ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR AN
10:42:38AM ASSESSMENT BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU.
10:42:39AM THE WAY THINGS STRUCTURED HISTORICALLY WITH TAMPA AS AN OLD
10:42:43AM CITY, THEY HAVE A SPECIAL ACT THAT CREATED THE CITY-COUNTY
10:42:48AM PLANNING COMMISSION NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION OF TAMPA
10:42:51AM PEOPLE, BUT HAS PEOPLE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, TEMPLE
10:42:56AM TERRACE AND PLANT CITY WHO MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT TAMPA PER SE.
10:42:59AM WITH REGARDS TO ZONINGS, EUCLIDIAN REZONINGS IN PARTICULAR,
10:43:04AM THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- THE STAFF DOESN'T REVIEW THOSE
10:43:07AM BUT DOES IT WITH COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:43:10AM AND EXECUTION ME.
10:43:12AM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HEAR THOSE REZONINGS.
10:43:16AM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT MARY THAT.
10:43:21AM IT IS A PROCESS.
10:43:22AM BUT I WILL ASK COUNCIL TO REMAIN MINDFUL THAT I AM GLAD YOU
10:43:27AM ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN THIS VENUE AT THIS TIME WITH
10:43:30AM NOTHING IN MONTH OF YOU.
10:43:31AM AND YOU JUST -- NOTHING IN FRONT OF YOU.
10:43:36AM BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE INVESTMENT IN FOLLOWING THE PROCESS
10:43:38AM THAT EXISTS NOW TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE MAKING THE BEST AND
10:43:41AM LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE.
10:43:44AM >> IF I CAN FINISH ONE MORE STATEMENT.
10:43:47AM YOU HAVE LAYERS AND LAYERS --
10:43:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT IS DONE.
10:43:51AM >> I WAS STILL RESPONDING TO THE COUNCILMAN BEFORE WE
10:43:54AM ENTERED INTO OTHER DISCUSSIONS?
10:43:57AM JUST 30 SECONDS IS ALL I AM ASKING FOR.
10:44:00AM I STILL HAD TIME LEFT ON MY CLOCK --
10:44:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME DID HE HAVE LEFT ON HIS
10:44:06AM CLOCK?
10:44:09AM 30 SECONDS.
10:44:10AM >> I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU HAVE LAYERS AND LAYERS OF
10:44:13AM REGULATIONS.
10:44:13AM IF ONE OF THEM REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, IT DOESN'T
10:44:16AM MAKE ANY SENSE TO GO TO A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD BECAUSE THEN
10:44:20AM YOU HAVE TWO SEPARATE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HEARINGS.
10:44:23AM SO ANYWAY, HOPEFULLY IN THE UPDATE OF THE CODE, A LOT OF
10:44:28AM THESE THINGS WILL BE ELIMINATE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
10:44:31AM COMING TO YOU FOR PERMISSION.
10:44:33AM AND THEY COULD BE RESOLVED EITHER ADMINISTRATIVELY AND A
10:44:39AM RECOMMENDATION IN THERE ALSO FOR A HEARING OFFICER THAT WILL
10:44:42AM HELP TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
10:44:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:44:46AM ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:44:48AM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
10:44:49AM WHO WISHES TO KICK IT OFF?
10:44:54AM THERE IS A MEMO FROM MR. ERIC COTTON.
10:44:59AM ANYTHING TO ADD?
10:45:01AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:02AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST REAL QUICK.
10:45:05AM I THINK THIS IDEA CAME FROM SANDY SANCHEZ AND SOME OF THE
10:45:08AM COMMUNITY PEOPLE.
10:45:08AM BUT THE IDEA WAS THAT AFTER CITY DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AFTER
10:45:13AM CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED SOMETHING.
10:45:19AM SO THE COMMUNITY THINKS THEY WEIGHED IN ON IT.
10:45:21AM CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AFTERWARDS.
10:45:23AM SO THE QUESTION IS, HOW IS THAT HANDLED.
10:45:27AM AND SHOULD -- ARE THERE ANY LOOPHOLES THAT WE SHOULD CAP.
10:45:32AM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:45:35AM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THE CODE AND PART OF
10:45:39AM THE TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE I WILL BE PRESENTING AFTER THIS
10:45:42AM DISCUSSION.
10:45:42AM THE -- MOST OF THE DEBT SEEN EXCEPTIONS AS STATED IN THE
10:45:47AM MEMO PROCESSED OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE YEARS HAVE BEEN
10:45:50AM FOR SIGNAGE.
10:45:51AM MIDTOWN IS APPROVED AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BY COUNCIL.
10:45:55AM AT THE TIME THEY WERE BEING APPROVED, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO
10:45:58AM WOULD BE IN MIDTOWN.
10:45:59AM AND THEY CAME IN AND ASKED TO MOVE SIGNAGE AROUND OF WHO
10:46:05AM THEY ARE RELEASING IT.
10:46:07AM THE OTHER THING WE WILL GET AFTER A DESIGN -- AFTER THE PD
10:46:11AM IS APPROVED AND PEOPLE ARE IN THE FIELD GETTING READY TO
10:46:13AM DEVELOP SOMETHING.
10:46:14AM THEY NEED -- CODE REQUIRES BETWEEN USE AS MASONRY WALL.
10:46:19AM PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY CAN I DO A PVC FENCE INSTEAD OF A
10:46:25AM MASONRY WALL.
10:46:26AM THESE ARE KIND OF DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE BEING PROCESSED
10:46:29AM BY CITY STAFF.
10:46:31AM THEY DON'T REQUIRE NOTICE.
10:46:32AM THE ONLY ONES THAT REQUIRE NOTICE IS SETBACK REDUCTIONS.
10:46:36AM AND DE 2 WILL BE UP LIKE IN NEW TAMPA BECAUSE THERE IS A
10:46:40AM LARGER -- MOST OF NEW TAMPA HAS THIS DEVELOPED.
10:46:44AM HUNTERS GREEN IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
10:46:47AM LANGUAGE IN THE CODE THAT ALLOW INDIVIDUAL LOTS IN A
10:46:51AM LARGER PD TO COME IN FOR A VARIANCE.
10:46:53AM THE PREVIOUS -- LONG BEFORE ME INTERPRETED THAT TO INCLUDE
10:46:57AM AN ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE IN THE DESIGN EXCEPTION PROCESS.
10:47:01AM BUT, AGAIN, IN THE AMENDMENT COMING THROUGH LANGUAGE
10:47:06AM AMENDING THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS CRITERIA.
10:47:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:11AM IF NOT, GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:47:13AM WILL YOU BE ECONOMIC MEANT ON THIS ITEM.
10:47:15AM ITEM 4.
10:47:16AM COUNCILMAN.
10:47:22AM >>BILL CARLSON: SANDY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING
10:47:28AM ON THIS ONE?
10:47:30AM MISS SANCHEZ, THIS IS YOUR IDEA, I THINK.
10:47:32AM WHAT --
10:47:33AM >> ARE YOU TALKING TO MOO ME?
10:47:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS ON THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AFTER THE
10:47:37AM APPROVAL.
10:47:38AM SO ARE THERE -- ARE THERE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
10:47:41AM >> I AM SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER MANAGING THAT REQUEST.
10:47:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
10:47:48AM >> I DON'T REMEMBER MANAGING THAT REQUEST.
10:47:50AM I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MIDTOWN OR NORTH TAMPA.
10:47:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
10:47:56AM >> SANDRA DIEGO SANCHEZ.
10:47:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY.
10:48:02AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING
10:48:04AM ELSE.
10:48:04AM >> I WAS TALKING OF NUMBER 4, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
10:48:07AM BUT I HAVE NEVER MADE THAT REQUEST, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW
10:48:10AM THAT WAS AN ISSUE QUITE HONESTLY.
10:48:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
10:48:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:48:16AM YES, SIR.
10:48:16AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
10:48:18AM I THINK THAT THE DESIGN EXCEPTION ISSUES WERE FULLY VETTED
10:48:22AM WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY STAFF.
10:48:25AM SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE.
10:48:27AM ERIC SAID THEY ARE COMING BACK TO YOU UNDER THE REVISION.
10:48:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:32AM ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:48:34AM WAIT GO -- WAIT, WAIT, YES, MA'AM.
10:48:38AM ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 4?
10:48:43AM >> 4.
10:48:44AM I AM SO CONFUSED.
10:48:45AM OKAY.
10:48:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE NUMBERED.
10:48:48AM PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 4.
10:48:50AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
10:48:52AM >> ARE YOU ON --
10:48:54AM >> WE ARE ON NUMBER 4.
10:48:55AM ARE YOU CONFUSED?
10:48:56AM I LOVE HER.
10:48:57AM BUT -- I -- I THOUGHT SHE WAS CONFUSED.
10:49:01AM WE ARE ON DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
10:49:06AM >> WANT TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 5.
10:49:11AM >> OKAY.
10:49:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:49:14AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:49:15AM >> OKAY.
10:49:16AM THE -- THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WAS
10:49:20AM THAT -- THAT THEY WERE COMING IN AFTER THE FACT.
10:49:24AM AND SO -- AND ALSO, THAT THEY WERE CHANGING THINGS, BUT I
10:49:28AM THINK WE MOVED THOSE AROUND NOW.
10:49:29AM AND IT MAY BE THAT BE IT CHANGED TO DEGREE.
10:49:33AM I AM SURE SANDY WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE.
10:49:35AM BUT I THINK THAT -- I THINK WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO WHAT
10:49:40AM NOTICED PUBLICLY AND WHAT IS NOT NOTICED PUBLICLY AND I
10:49:44AM THINK THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
10:49:46AM AND I THOUGHT SANDY HAD NOR SAY TOO.
10:49:48AM ARE.
10:49:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:49:50AM IF THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 4, WE WILL GO
10:49:54AM TO ITEM NUMBER 5.
10:49:55AM ITEM NUMBER 5 IS FOR STAFF TO PRESENT THE CONSENSUAL AMOUNTS
10:49:59AM FOR THE JULY 2024 TEXT AMENDMENT CYCLE, TAMPA LAND
10:50:05AM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION AMENDMENTS.
10:50:05AM THERE IS A PRESENTATION.
10:50:06AM MR. COTTON, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND KICK IT OFF, WE CAN
10:50:10AM BRING THE PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN.
10:50:13AM >>ERIC COTTON: I WILL TAKE IT OFF THE SCREEN NOW.
10:50:14AM ERIC COTTON, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
10:50:18AM JULY TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WERE POSTPONED AFTER HELENE AND
10:50:24AM MILTON SORT OF MESSED UP OUR SCHEDULE AND WE ARE BACK ON
10:50:27AM TRACK WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENT.
10:50:29AM MOST LIKE STAFF'S FIRST APPEARANCE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
10:50:33AM PENDING THE CHANGES TO THE CODE.
10:50:34AM I WILL GO BACK TO THIS ONE RIGHT NOW.
10:50:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WILL USE THE OVERHEAD PROJECTOR.
10:50:43AM >>ERIC COTTON: A COUPLE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS.
10:50:45AM THREE INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL.
10:50:47AM NINE INITIATED BY STAFF.
10:50:49AM THE TEXT AMENDMENTS INITIATED BY CITY COUNCIL WERE 27-16
10:50:58AM WHICH IS THE REVIEW PROCEDURES.
10:51:00AM AND DANA MAY CHIME IN ON THIS ONCE WE GET TO THE ACTUAL
10:51:04AM LANGUAGE.
10:51:04AM 27-150, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER A PD IS DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL OR
10:51:08AM REZONING.
10:51:09AM RIGHT NOW THE CITY -- ZONING ADMINISTRATION HAS THE ABILITY
10:51:12AM TO WAIVE THE 12-MONTH CRITERIA AND GO BEFORE COUNCIL.
10:51:20AM THE LAST ONE COUNCILMAN HENDERSON'S MOTION FOR THE LARGE FOR
10:51:24AM MAT SIGNS.
10:51:25AM PART OF THIS CYCLE BUT NOT PART OF MY PRESENTATION.
10:51:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:51:30AM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITEM 6.
10:51:31AM >> YOU CALL ME A MAN?
10:51:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE SAID MISS.
10:51:38AM >>ERIC COTTON: I CORRECTED MYSELF, MISS HENDERSON.
10:51:40AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S OKAY.
10:51:41AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-61 WHICH IS THE REVIEW PROCESS.
10:51:47AM STAFF AND COUNSEL HAS BEEN BEFORE COUNCIL ON THIS REQUEST.
10:51:51AM RIGHT NOW IS A FORMAL DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING
10:51:54AM ADMINISTRATOR.
10:51:54AM THAT GOES TO THE HEARING OFFICER FIRST.
10:51:56AM THE HEARING OFFICERS HEARS THE EVIDENCE, TAKES ABOUT 15
10:52:01AM DAYS, WRITES A WRITTEN ORDER THAT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
10:52:03AM FOR A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER COUNCIL IS OPPOSING OR NOT.
10:52:06AM OR OVERTURNS THE HEARING OFFICER.
10:52:09AM MOTION BY COUNCIL WHEN THEY DIRECTED STAFF TO AMEND THIS WAS
10:52:15AM TO REMOVE THE HEARING OFFICER FROM THE PROCESS.
10:52:16AM FORMAL DECISION INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE HEARING OFFICER
10:52:20AM PROCESS WILL GO DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL ON AN APPEAL.
10:52:23AM THESE ARE JUST -- THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE FOR THIS
10:52:28AM AT THIS POINT.
10:52:28AM WE ARE JUST GOING THROUGH.
10:52:29AM 27-150 RIGHT NOW -- IF SOMEBODY COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL
10:52:36AM AND THEY ARE DENIED, AND THEY -- THEY HAVE THE ABILITY --
10:52:40AM UNDER CODE, THEY HAVE TO WAIT 12 MONTHS, BUT THEY HAVE THE
10:52:44AM ABILITY TO COME BEFORE A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND ADDRESS
10:52:46AM THE BASIS FOR THE DENIAL.
10:52:48AM SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I AM A DEVELOPER.
10:52:50AM I APPLY TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR TOWN HOMES.
10:52:53AM AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ASK FOR A PARKING WAIVER AND
10:52:57AM REDUCTION IN GREEN SPACE.
10:52:58AM I THEN COME BACK AND RESUBMIT A PLAN TO THE ZONING OFFICE.
10:53:02AM AND I ASK TO SAY, HEY, I ELIMINATED A UNIT.
10:53:05AM SO NOW I -- I DON'T NEED A PARKING WAIVER.
10:53:08AM AND I DON'T NEED THE GREEN SPACE WAIVER.
10:53:11AM IN WOULD ALLOW ME AS A Z.A. TO WRITE A LETTER TO SAY YES,
10:53:16AM YOU ADDRESSED THE BASIS DENIAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
10:53:19AM YOU CAN NOW REAPPLY AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITHOUT
10:53:23AM HAVING TO WAIT THE WHOLE 12 MONTHS.
10:53:25AM A CHANGE IN THE CODE IF THIS IS THE CASE THEY WILL HAVE TO
10:53:27AM WAIT 12 MONTHS.
10:53:28AM AND THAT AFFECTS ANYBODY APPLYING FOR SOMETHING ON THAT
10:53:33AM PROPERTY.
10:53:33AM IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A DIFFERENT PROJECT ON THAT
10:53:36AM PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO WAIT THE FULL 12 MONTHS.
10:53:38AM NEXT ARE THE STAFF INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
10:53:46AM FIRST IS THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WHICH IS TO ADD NOTICE TO
10:53:49AM COMBINE THE TYPES INSTEAD OF A DE-1 AND DE-2.
10:53:54AM PILL GO THROUGH MOST OF THIS THROUGH THE REST OF THE
10:53:57AM PRESENTATION.
10:53:57AM 27-121 DOESN'T EXIST AND A NEW CODE EXCEPTION FOR SITE PLAN
10:54:03AM EXCEPTIONS FOR VARIANCES RIGHT NOW THE CODE IS SILENT ON
10:54:08AM THOSE.
10:54:08AM WE HAVE EXAMPLES ON THAT, AND WE ARE NOT CODIFYING THAT.
10:54:12AM 27-118, WHICH IS AN APPEAL FROM -- FROM SAN ADMINISTRATIVE
10:54:16AM DECISION A HISTORIC PRESERVATION MANAGER FOR AN ARC
10:54:25AM DETERMINATION.
10:54:25AM INSTEAD OF GOING TO COUNCIL.
10:54:27AM IT WILL GO TO THE ARC FIRST SERVING AS THE APPELLATE BOARD.
10:54:31AM 27-241, WEST TAMPA.
10:54:34AM WE HAVE CHANGES TO MAKE TO THAT REQUEST.
10:54:35AM SPECIAL USE CRITERIA FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES.
10:54:40AM CHANGE LANGUAGE UNDER ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, LEFT OUT
10:54:44AM THE EFRs TO MAKE IT SIMILAR TO ALLOW FOR SERB THINGS.
10:54:48AM FOOTNOTE 7, WHICH IS ALLOWING YOU TO BRING YOUR PROPERTY
10:54:52AM FORWARD OR REDUCE THE SETBACKS TO SAVE TREE.
10:54:56AM THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND PROPOSE TO MAKE THAT A
10:55:00AM DESIGN EXCEPTION.
10:55:01AM 284 -- THE TWO THAT ARE IN 27-284, ONE IS TO UTILIZE AT
10:55:07AM ARBORIST REPORT FOR TREE REMOVAL REQUEST.
10:55:10AM AND THE OTHER THE USE-TO-USE BUFFER THAT WE WILL GET INTO
10:55:14AM THAT IN A MOMENT.
10:55:14AM 27-290, THE AIR CONDITIONING SETBACKS THE CODES IS SILENT ON
10:55:23AM GENERATORS AND YESTERDAY SINCE ADDED ANOTHER PORTION TO THAT
10:55:26AM REQUEST THAT I WILL DISCUSS WITH YOU MOMENTARILY.
10:55:29AM SO KICKING OFF THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.
10:55:33AM SO RIGHT NOW WITH THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN LANGUAGE.
10:55:38AM WE HAVE TWO.
10:55:39AM DESIGN EXCEPTION 1 AND 2.
10:55:41AM DESIGN EXCEPTION 1 ARE USED FOR NUMEROUS DIFFERENT REQUESTS,
10:55:46AM SETBACKS REDUCTIONS AND OVERLAY AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS, PARK
10:55:50AM PARKING REDUCTION, BUFFER REDUCTIONS, SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS.
10:55:53AM THOSE NORMALLY DON'T REQUIRE NOTICE UNLESS IT IS FOR A
10:55:56AM SETBACK REDUCTION.
10:55:57AM DE-2s ARE SETBACK REDUCTIONS EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY AND
10:56:02AM DEPENDING ON WHICH PLANNING DISTRICT HOW MUCH OF A SETBACK
10:56:05AM YOU CAN GET.
10:56:06AM YES, MA'AM?
10:56:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE.
10:56:17AM IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DISCUSS EACH ONE?
10:56:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:56:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST SAYING IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO TALK
10:56:27AM OF THIS ONE AND THAT ONE AND THAT ONE.
10:56:28AM NO ANT THAT MANY PUBLIC HERE.
10:56:31AM I AM JUST SAYING --
10:56:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY ITEMS.
10:56:35AM >>ERIC COTTON: ABOUT TEN TOTAL.
10:56:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS TOO MUCH TO WAIT AND HAVE
10:56:40AM THEM SPEAK AFTER.
10:56:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC
10:56:44AM COMMENT?
10:56:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH.
10:56:46AM YOU KIND OF HAVE TO.
10:56:47AM EACH OF THESE IS VERY DIFFERENT.
10:56:49AM THE TWO THAT WE ALREADY AGREED ON, I THINK WE ALL FEEL OKAY
10:56:53AM ABOUT.
10:56:53AM I MEAN, HOW DOES THE REST OF COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT THAT?
10:57:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW DOES THE REST OF COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT
10:57:02AM THAT?
10:57:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LIKE IT FOR ORGANIZATION THAT WE GO ONE
10:57:07AM BY ONE, KEEPS THE FOCUS.
10:57:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS.
10:57:11AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
10:57:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, AND THAT IS THE
10:57:16AM WILLINGNESS OF COUNCIL, THAT IS FINE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY TAKE
10:57:20AM THE FULL THREE MINUTES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
10:57:22AM BY THE WAY EVERYBODY HAS -- SANDY GETS UP HERE AND SAYS --
10:57:26AM IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
10:57:28AM YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHT BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
10:57:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: LET'S DO THAT SO WE CAN DISCUSS EACH ONE.
10:57:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
10:57:36AM WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT?
10:57:37AM NO OBJECTION?
10:57:38AM OKAY, WE WILL DO THAT.
10:57:39AM MR. COTTON, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO ONE BY ONE.
10:57:43AM THIS IS --
10:57:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY, MR. COTTON, THIS DOCUMENT, THIS IS
10:57:48AM NOT IN "ON BASE" YET, THAT'S CORRECT?
10:57:53AM >>ERIC COTTON: SUBMITTED BACK --
10:57:57AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DIDN'T TRAVEL WITH IT.
10:58:00AM >>ERIC COTTON: IT DIDN'T TRAVEL WITH IT?
10:58:02AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:58:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, IS IT DID?
10:58:05AM THANK YOU.
10:58:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST OF THE TEN.
10:58:06AM >>ERIC COTTON: SO THE REQUEST FROM STAFF AS I WAS SAYING.
10:58:10AM TWO DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
10:58:13AM ONE WE WOULD PROPOSE ONE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
10:58:16AM AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WHATEVER
10:58:18AM IS BEING REQUESTED.
10:58:19AM SO WE DON'T -- I DON'T WANT STAFF TO NOT TELL SOMEBODY TO DO
10:58:24AM NOTICE WHEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO NOTICE AND NOT HAVE THEM
10:58:27AM DO NOTICE WHEN THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO NOTICE.
10:58:29AM IT WILL BE BETTER TO HAVE ONE SET OF RULES FOR EVERYTHING
10:58:33AM ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS WAS -- WE DID HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
10:58:38AM LORD, IT HAS PROBABLY BEEN ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
10:58:42AM WE HAD IT SOON AFTER HANNA OPENED UP.
10:58:44AM WE HAD A MEETING HERE.
10:58:46AM BUT THAT -- THAT IS CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE
10:58:50AM ONE SET OF RULES.
10:58:51AM AGAIN -- SO JUST SO YOU KNOW DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE FOR
10:58:57AM SETBACKS.
10:58:57AM MINOR SETBACK REDUCTIONS AND PROPOSED LANGUAGE WILL 10%,
10:59:03AM 15%, WITH WHATEVER.
10:59:03AM IT USED TO BE 15% ARE THE OLD ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE
10:59:07AM REQUEST.
10:59:08AM CERTAIN AMOUNTS FOR PARKING REDUCTIONS CAN BE DONE
10:59:12AM ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH MOBILITY SIGN OFF.
10:59:14AM LOCATION OF SIGNAGE ON A WALL.
10:59:21AM IF YOU ARE ON A ONE-WAY STREET AND YOU ARE GOING NORTHBOUND
10:59:25AM ON HOWARD AND YOUR SIGN CAN ONLY FACE HOWARD.
10:59:27AM PEOPLE WILL ASK TO TAKE THE SIGN OFF THE FRONT AND PUT IT ON
10:59:31AM THE SIDE OF BUILDING DRIVING NORTH AND SOUTH THAT YOU WOULD
10:59:34AM SEE THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
10:59:36AM ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVERS TO HEIGHT.
10:59:38AM RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO
10:59:42AM GO FROM 15 FEET TO 18 FEET OR 18 FEET TO 20 FEET FOR AN
10:59:47AM ACCESSORY.
10:59:47AM YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
10:59:56AM AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A PUBLIC NOTICE.
10:59:59AM SO THAT IS THE DESIGN EXCEPTION LANGUAGE.
11:00:05AM I WILL STAND ASIDE.
11:00:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, COME
11:00:11AM ON UP AND SAY YOUR NAME.
11:00:12AM >> SANDRA DIEGO SANCHEZ.
11:00:18AM AFTER OUR SECOND MEETING THAT WE HAD, I PULLED THE RECORDS
11:00:22AM FOR THE MEETING ALL OF THE OPINIONS WENT TO -- WENT TO
11:00:26AM THE DESIGN EXCEPTION REFORM.
11:00:31AM I PULLED THE RECORD.
11:00:31AM AND ON THE RECORDS THERE ARE 67 COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT WROTE
11:00:36AM IN ASKING US TO HAVE THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS NOTED.
11:00:38AM NOWHERE IN HERE DOES IT SAY THAT ALL DESIGN EXCEPTIONS
11:00:42AM SHOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
11:00:45AM THAT DID NOT COME FROM ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY -- THAT WE
11:00:49AM KNOW OF ANYWAY.
11:00:50AM SO WHAT WE ASKED FOR WAS TO HAVE -- CAN YOU HELP ME WITH
11:00:55AM THIS?
11:00:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S THERE.
11:01:00AM >> WE ASKED FOR SIGNS.
11:01:01AM THESE AND BACK IN JULY.
11:01:03AM OUT OF NOWHERE, WE DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE COMING.
11:01:06AM THEY JUST AND.
11:01:08AM PLEASE NOTICE.
11:01:09AM YOU ONLY HAVE TWO WEEKS.
11:01:11AM THIS IS A MINI REZONING.
11:01:13AM THEY ARE EXPECTING ALL THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS TO COME TO YOU
11:01:15AM WHEN THEY WERE ONLY GIVING YOU A TWO-WEEK LIMIT THAT YOU CAN
11:01:19AM RESPOND -- THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD RESPOND TO THEM.
11:01:21AM THIS THEY COULD HAVE THE SAME 30 DAYS.
11:01:24AM SO MY FIRST ON THIS ONE, THEY SHOULD NOT BE COMING TO YOU.
11:01:29AM LET'S EXPAND THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:01:31AM LET THEM HANDLE THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS AND IT WILL BE OUT IN
11:01:35AM THE OPEN.
11:01:36AM THAT IS THE OTHER THING, TO NOT HAVE ONE PERSON MAKE THE
11:01:38AM DECISIONS.
11:01:39AM MAKE SURE THAT THE DECISIONS WERE OUT IN THE OPEN.
11:01:41AM GETTING THE SIGNAGE WAS THE BEGINNING OF IT.
11:01:44AM SO WE HOPE THAT WE WILL GO THROUGH WITH THAT.
11:01:47AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:02:04AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:02:06AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
11:02:07AM THERE WERE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED BESIDES THE NEIGHBORHOOD
11:02:10AM GROUPS.
11:02:11AM BUILDERS, DEVELOPERS AND OTHERS -- I THOUGHT WE HAD REACHED
11:02:17AM BE AGREEMENT THAT CERTAIN THINGS WOULD BE NOTICED AND
11:02:21AM CERTAIN THINGS WERE NOT GOING TO BE NOTICED.
11:02:23AM WE SPLIT THOSE.
11:02:24AM IT WAS A VERY LONG MEETING AT HANNA.
11:02:26AM AND I DON'T SEE REVISITING THIS ISSUE, AKA, GOING BACK.
11:02:31AM THE STAFF -- AND YOU WONDER WHY THESE THINGS ARE COMING TO
11:02:35AM YOU AS PDs.
11:02:37AM THE STAFF NEEDS TO HAVE MORE LATITUDE ON THESE MINOR ISSUES.
11:02:41AM WE AGREED ON SEPARATE WHAT WAS A NINE ISSUE VERSUS WHAT WAS
11:02:44AM A MAJOR ISSUE.
11:02:45AM WHY WE CAME UP IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF ON NOTICING AND THE
11:02:49AM SIGN POSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:02:51AM SO REVISE SITTING THIS ISSUE I THINK IS A STEP BACKWARDS
11:02:56AM INSTEAD OF FORWARD.
11:02:56AM AND WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES PENDING.
11:02:59AM WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
11:03:01AM AS -- AS I THINK SOME OF YOU HEARD IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK
11:03:09AM WE SIMPLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PROCESS YOU WANT US TO
11:03:12AM FOLLOW.
11:03:14AM THE UNCERTAINTY OF GUESSING -- IF SOMEBODY WILL COME UP HERE
11:03:17AM REPRESENTING THEMSELVES OR A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND THEY SAY
11:03:20AM WE WANT ANOTHER PROCESS.
11:03:22AM THAT THROWS THE WRENCH INTO THE WORKS.
11:03:24AM AND SO IT IS NOT -- YOU CAN'T COUNT ON THE PROCESS UNTIL YOU
11:03:28AM START STABILIZING IT.
11:03:29AM SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO
11:03:34AM MAKE.
11:03:34AM BUT I PROBABLY REACHED A CONSENSUS ON THIS.
11:03:37AM AND THE STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO YOU WITH A CONSENSUS WHAT
11:03:41AM THAT WAS AT THAT MEETING AND WENT ON FOR A QUITE A WHILE.
11:03:45AM I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU SUPPORT THE STAFF ON THIS
11:03:47AM PETITION -- ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEMS.
11:03:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:03:50AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:03:51AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:03:56AM I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT MR. MICHELINI SAID THAT I
11:04:00AM THINK IS MIND-BLOWING.
11:04:01AM THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS COME IN HERE AND ASK FOR WHAT THEY
11:04:04AM WANT.
11:04:04AM I THINK WE ALL KNOW -- WE ALL KNOW THAT PART OF THE BIG
11:04:10AM ISSUE WITH OUR CODE, THEY ARE CALLED PRIVATELY INITIATED
11:04:14AM TEXT AMENDMENTS.
11:04:16AM THEY WENT ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND THE LAST SET THAT WENT
11:04:20AM THROUGH MR. MICHELINI AND MR. LUM PUT THROUGH.
11:04:23AM THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE CODE IS SO SCREWED UP
11:04:27AM BECAUSE DEVELOPERS CAME THROUGH AND CHANGED OUR CODE.
11:04:29AM JUST SAYING.
11:04:30AM DON'T BELIEVE ME?
11:04:32AM I STILL HAVE IT ON VIDEO.
11:04:33AM I WILL SHOW YOU THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
11:04:35AM 27-16.
11:04:37AM THAT WAS A DUMB WASTE OF MONEY.
11:04:38AM YOU KNOW WHO THAT WHOLE PREHEARING FOR THE MAGISTRATE WAS
11:04:44AM FOR?
11:04:44AM TO RUN OFF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN SOMEBODY -- WHEN SOMEBODY
11:04:47AM WAS COMPLAINING.
11:04:47AM WHY?
11:04:48AM BECAUSE THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAD TO SHOW UP WITH AN
11:04:50AM ATTORNEY TO THE MAGISTRATE.
11:04:51AM AND SO THEN WE HAVE THE PROBLEM.
11:04:53AM PROBLEM IS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS -- OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ARE
11:04:57AM NOT INDEPENDENTLY WEALTHY.
11:04:59AM THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY FROM ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY DO.
11:05:01AM THEY DO IT UNTIL THEY GET WORE OUT.
11:05:04AM 27-150, THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE THEY WERE APPROVING --
11:05:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING ONE BY ONE.
11:05:12AM >> JUST DOING 61?
11:05:17AM WHICH ONE IS THAT?
11:05:19AM THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS.
11:05:22AM I AM WITH SANDY.
11:05:23AM I WAS TAKING NOTES.
11:05:24AM I WILL COME BACK.
11:05:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM?
11:05:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I THINK -- WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT HERE
11:05:33AM IS THAT I DON'T -- IT IS NOT CLEAR WHAT WILL DESIGN
11:05:45AM EXCEPTIONS WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND WHAT
11:05:48AM AREN'T.
11:05:49AM >>ERIC COTTON: CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS ARE
11:05:52AM MINOR REDUCTIONS TO SETBACKS AND DEPENDING ON WHAT PLANNING
11:05:55AM IT IS STRICT YOU ARE IN FROM 25% TO 10% IN THE FRONT, REAR
11:05:58AM AND A FOOT ON THE SIDE.
11:06:01AM IN SPECIAL DISTRICTS, INSTEAD OF HAVING -- LIKE IN SEMINOLE
11:06:08AM HEIGHTS, FOR INSTANCE.
11:06:09AM OR AN OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR EAST TAMPA, AN ADMINISTRATIVE TO
11:06:15AM GET THE REQUEST.
11:06:15AM NOT CODIFIED ON WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS.
11:06:18AM IT SAYS MINOR REDUCTION.
11:06:19AM SO -- IT ALSO GOING INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN EAST TAMPA,
11:06:23AM FOR INSTANCE, THE GARAGE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN FRONT OF
11:06:27AM THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE.
11:06:28AM PEOPLE WILL SOMETIMES DESIGN HOMES THAT WAY, OR THEY HAVE
11:06:33AM ENCLOSED THEIR GARAGE GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER DISCUSSION
11:06:39AM WITHOUT A PERMIT AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET IT PERMITTED.
11:06:43AM THEY NEED TO HAVE IT WITH THE ZONING, AND THEY COME AND ASK
11:06:47AM FOR THE REDUCTION OR A CHANGE IN THE DESIGN STANDARD.
11:06:49AM AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT GOES BEFORE THE URBAN DESIGN
11:06:53AM MANAGER.
11:06:54AM AND GOES INTO PARKING REDUCTIONS.
11:06:56AM IF SOMEBODY IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 50 PARKING SPACES, AND THEY
11:06:59AM NEED 47, OR AS A CHANGE OF USE FROM -- AS A GENERAL OFFICE
11:07:06AM A GENERAL OFFICE USE.
11:07:09AM DO A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT.
11:07:11AM AND THE PARKING RATIOS WENT FROM HAVING SEVEN UP TO NINE.
11:07:14AM WE CAN ASK FOR THAT REDUCTION BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOUR
11:07:19AM BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1948 AND YOU HAD FIVE PARKING SPACES
11:07:23AM FOR THE LIFETIME OF THAT BUILDING.
11:07:24AM THE WALL SIGNS, WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE I GAVE EARLIER LIKE IF
11:07:29AM YOU WERE DRIVING UP GOING NORTH ON HOWARD, AND YOUR SIGNS
11:07:33AM ARE ALLOWED TO FACE HOWARD, BUT OFF PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH
11:07:36AM SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR SIGN SO PEOPLE
11:07:39AM DRIVING NORTH SEE THAT SIGN.
11:07:40AM BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES -- IF YOU SEE THE SIGN AFTER YOU PASS
11:07:43AM IT, YOU KNOW, YOU START DOING THAT CIRCLE AROUND.
11:07:47AM AND THEN WHAT IS CURRENTLY NOT IN THE CODE FOR ACCESSORY
11:07:51AM STRUCTURES FOR HEIGHT.
11:07:52AM RIGHT NOW THAT REQUIRES A VARIANCE.
11:07:54AM GOING FROM 15 FEET THE MAXIMUM IN THE CODE TO 16 REQUIRES A
11:08:03AM VARIANCE REVIEW AND THIS COULD BE NOTICED
11:08:07AM AND DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
11:08:09AM DRAFT LANES THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY, THE SETBACKS WILL BE
11:08:15AM PROPOSED 10% MODIFICATION.
11:08:17AM REAR YARD 15% MODIFICATION.
11:08:19AM AND THE SIDE, A FOOT.
11:08:21AM AND THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AT 10%.
11:08:23AM IF THE HEIGHT COULD BE 35 FEET, YOU CAN GO UP TO 38.5 FOR
11:08:28AM THE STRUCTURE.
11:08:30AM THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS.
11:08:32AM ALL WOULD BE REQUIRED.
11:08:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
11:08:34AM SO THIS IS WHAT -- WHERE I AM HAVING TROUBLING WITH THIS
11:08:37AM THAT I DON'T HAVE A LIST OF THESE IN FRONT OF ME.
11:08:40AM SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I WOULD LIKE A LIST.
11:08:45AM I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE A LIST SO WE CAN SEE THESE.
11:08:47AM BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS WASN'T IN "ON BASE."
11:08:53AM ANDY WITH JUST TALKING OF THIS GENERAL IDEA.
11:08:57AM I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LIST THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DIGEST WHAT
11:09:00AM THINGS ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO A ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
11:09:03AM AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT NOTICE SHOULD NOT BE
11:09:07AM TWO WEEKS, BUT A FULL 30 DAYS.
11:09:10AM BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THE PUBLIC MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT THAT
11:09:16AM -- THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS ISN'T ENOUGH TIME FOR ANYONE.
11:09:19AM AND IF WE ARE DOING 30 DAYS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, WE SHOULD
11:09:22AM MAKE IT 30 DAYS ACROSS THE BOARD.
11:09:25AM SO IN TERMS OF THIS ONE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO MOVE THIS ONE
11:09:28AM FORWARD PERSONALLY UNTIL I HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE LIST
11:09:31AM AND REALLY I GO GUEST IT.
11:09:33AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE LIST IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
11:09:36AM THE ONLY THING ADDED TO THIS WILL BE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE
11:09:41AM HEIGHT.
11:09:42AM EVERYTHING IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW IS HOW WE HANDLE THE DESIGN
11:09:45AM EXCEPTIONS.
11:09:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, JUST --
11:09:48AM >>ERIC COTTON: UNDERSTOOD.
11:09:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THOSE EXAMPLES HOWEVER YOU PUT IT.
11:09:51AM THE FACT YOU WANT TO GO FROM REASONABLE TO 10% TO 25%.
11:09:56AM LIKE THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
11:09:59AM JUST TO DIGEST.
11:10:00AM I AM KIND OF VISUAL IS THAT WAY.
11:10:03AM SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE A LIST.
11:10:05AM I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP FOREVER, BUT A WEEK OR SO TO TAKE
11:10:08AM A LOOK AT THE LIST WILL BE GREAT.
11:10:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 27-61 --
11:10:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 71.
11:10:15AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-71, IN THE CODE, NO STANDARD FOR SITE PLANS
11:10:22AM THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES, DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WE JUST
11:10:25AM TALKED ABOUT AND THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:10:28AM WE HAVE IN OUR APPLICATION WHAT IS SUBMITTED AND WHAT IS NOT
11:10:31AM CODIFIED.
11:10:32AM CODIFYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS SIMILAR TO THE PLANNED
11:10:35AM DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT IS CODIFIED.
11:10:37AM THIS WILL BE CODIFYING THE LANGUAGE FOR OTHER PROCESSES THAT
11:10:41AM WE HAVE.
11:10:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS
11:10:44AM ITEM.
11:10:44AM ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON JUST THIS ITEM, 27-71?
11:10:49AM YES, MA'AM.
11:10:49AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:10:50AM >> OFTEN THIS ONE -- SANDRA SANCHEZ.
11:10:55AM I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, THIS
11:11:02AM SHOWED UP IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY WHICH WE WILL COME BACK
11:11:05AM TO LATER.
11:11:06AM ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE SITE PLANS TO GIVE
11:11:09AM YOU LESS INFORMATION INSTEAD OF MORE.
11:11:12AM FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A -- A REASONABLE DECISION ON
11:11:15AM THIS, YOU NEED TO SEE BOTH OF THEM AND YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT
11:11:20AM HAS BEEN ADDED AND WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
11:11:22AM AND AN ARROW SHOWING NORTH HARDLY GIVES YOU MORE DETAILS.
11:11:29AM LESS MEASUREMENTS DOESN'T HELP YOU OUT EITHER.
11:11:32AM BEFORE YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU NEED TO KNOW
11:11:34AM WHAT THE SITE PLANS ARE REQUIRED NOW AND WHAT THEY ARE
11:11:37AM ASKING TO CHANGE.
11:11:37AM YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE
11:11:42AM THIS DECISION.
11:11:43AM THANK YOU.
11:11:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:45AM YES, SIR.
11:11:46AM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
11:11:47AM I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL KEEP IN MIND
11:11:51AM THOUGH, THAT NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD FOR HAVE ENGINEERING
11:11:55AM SITE PLANS DONE.
11:11:55AM IT IS EXPENSIVE.
11:11:58AM THE SMALLER PROJECTS -- THEY ARE GOING TO BE BURDENED BY IT.
11:12:01AM THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN.
11:12:03AM I WOULD ADVISE THAT PROJECTS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY
11:12:11AM FOR THAT.
11:12:11AM SMALL MOMS AND POPS DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THIS.
11:12:16AM >> NEXT SPEAKER.
11:12:18AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:12:19AM >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:12:32AM I LIKE TO SEE THE LENGTH AND WIDTHS OF GARAGES, PERMEABLE,
11:12:37AM FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
11:12:38AM THOSE ARE THINGS WE LOOK FOR.
11:12:40AM WE LEARNED LATELY A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T PUT THOSE THINGS ON
11:12:44AM THERE AND YOU DON'T KNOW THEM.
11:12:45AM ESPECIALLY THE DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGES.
11:12:48AM ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH PARKING ON ANY OF THESE, IT NEEDS
11:12:54AM TO BE IN THE SITE PLANS.
11:12:56AM WE LEARNED THE HARD WAY THAT WE ARE DRAMATICALLY
11:13:01AM UNDERPARKING SOME FACILITIES.
11:13:02AM AND I THINK IT IS PRETTY EASY TO FIX THOSE THINGS.
11:13:10AM THANK YOU.
11:13:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
11:13:12AM YES, MA'AM?
11:13:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WITH THIS THAT "ETC." IS A BIG.
11:13:16AM THAT IS CARRIES A LOT OF LOAD FOR ME.
11:13:20AM SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE A LIST OF THE TYPES OF THINGS.
11:13:24AM AND I THINK THAT -- WHAT, THE PUBLIC SAYS MAKES A LOT OF
11:13:27AM SENSE.
11:13:27AM WE HAVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
11:13:30AM PERMEABILITY PERCENTAGES.
11:13:31AM THEN WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES THE CALCULATIONS, IT IS
11:13:35AM WRONG.
11:13:35AM AND YOU KNOW, WE FIND OUT TOO LATE.
11:13:37AM SO ONE -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- SO I WOULD DEFINITELY
11:13:40AM LIKE TO SEE THE PARKING, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PERMEABILITY
11:13:44AM ON THERE IF IT IS NOT ALREADY.
11:13:45AM A LIST OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY -- WHAT THE MINIMUM STANDARDS
11:13:49AM WOULD BE, LIKE A FULL LIST OF THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS WILL
11:13:52AM BE WILL BE VERY HELPFUL ON THIS ONE.
11:13:57AM >> UNDERSTOOD.
11:14:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND HAVE A
11:14:02AM WRITTEN REPORT TO COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE TO WE CAN LOOK -- I
11:14:06AM DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE, BUT GOING FORWARD, THIS
11:14:08AM IS -- I MEAN THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE BEFORE I CAN
11:14:12AM SAY LET'S MOVE THIS FORWARD.
11:14:13AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE SLIDE AT THE VERY END THAT HAS THAT.
11:14:19AM WET GET TO THAT.
11:14:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 27-118.
11:14:23AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-118, THERE ARE IS JUST TO HAVE THE
11:14:25AM DECISION BUSINESS THE ARC ADMINISTRATOR TO BE APPEALABLE TO
11:14:29AM THE ARC BOARD.
11:14:31AM VERSUS GOING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
11:14:33AM THIS WILL HAVE A -- THIS WILL HAVE THAT FIRST STEP IS GOING
11:14:37AM TO THE ARC FOR DECISIONS MADE WITHIN THE -- WITHIN THE
11:14:44AM HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
11:14:45AM I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT THE BLC -- SAME INDIVIDUAL BUT
11:14:51AM THE BLC ADMINISTRATOR GOES TO THE BARRIO LATINO
11:14:55AM COMMISSION.
11:14:55AM >>DANA CROSBY COLLIER: I AM DANA CROSBY COLLIER FROM THE
11:14:57AM CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
11:15:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:15:01AM IF NOT, PUBLIC COMMENT ON 27-118.
11:15:05AM NO?
11:15:06AM YES?
11:15:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WAY TONIGHT SAY THIS MAKES THE SENSE.
11:15:08AM THE BARRIO -- THEY HAVE SOME RULES THAT I JUST -- YEAH.
11:15:11AM >>BILL CARLSON: I REALLY LIKE THIS ONE TOO.
11:15:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:15:15AM NEXT SLIDE, 27-132.
11:15:18AM YES, SIR?
11:15:20AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-132, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO
11:15:23AM EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENCES.
11:15:27AM COUNCIL RECALLS EIGHT, NINE MONTHS AGO, AN AMENDMENT WAS DONE
11:15:32AM FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO BE IN NONCONFORMING
11:15:35AM STRUCTURES AN STRUCTURES CONFORMING MADE BECAUSE OF A
11:15:38AM VARIANCE.
11:15:39AM MIMIC THE SAME LANGUAGE FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT USES AND THE
11:15:42AM CODE AS THEY ARE TO BE CONSISTENT.
11:15:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:15:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A DISTANCE SEPARATION BETWEEN THEM.
11:15:53AM YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO OR THREE IN THE SAME -- THE DISTANCE
11:15:57AM SEPARATION BETWEEN THESE THINGS.
11:16:01AM NOT INTENDED FAMILY OR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
11:16:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:05AM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON 27-132.
11:16:08AM I SEE NONE.
11:16:10AM ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
11:16:11AM IF NOT, WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YES, SIR.
11:16:13AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-156 TABLE 4-2, FOOTNOTE 7.
11:16:20AM FOOTNOTE 7 HAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN IT THAT ALLOWS FOR
11:16:24AM CHANGES TO SETBACKS WHEN YOU ARE SAVING A GRAND OR A SPECIAL
11:16:27AM MINISTRY.
11:16:27AM WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THESE THAT COME THROUGH THE OFFICE,
11:16:31AM BUT WHEN THEY DO, BASICALLY THE CODE RIGHT NOW GIVES YOU UP
11:16:35AM TO A 25% REDUCTION IN THE FRONT OR QUARTER YARD
11:16:39AM ADMINISTRATIVELY.
11:16:40AM A FOOT ON THE SIDE AND A 40% REDUCTION ON THE REAR YARD AND
11:16:48AM 10% REDUCTION IN BUILDING HEIGHT.
11:16:49AM STAFF'S SUGGESTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CODE AND SOMEBODY
11:16:52AM NEEDS IS A SETBACK TO SAVE AGREE.
11:16:55AM RIGHT NOW PEOPLE -- I AM MOVING MY BUILDING.
11:16:58AM AND MEETING -- ALREADY MEETING THAT CRITERIA AND SAYING I AM
11:17:04AM SAVING THIS TREE.
11:17:04AM I SHOULD GET AN EXTRA REDUCTION.
11:17:07AM THIS IS TO PUT INTO DESIGN EXCEPTION OVER WHAT PERCENTAGE
11:17:10AM THEY ARE REQUESTING AND GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
11:17:13AM TO SHIFT THE SETBACKS.
11:17:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AS SOON AS IF NOT, PUBLIC
11:17:17AM COMMENT.
11:17:18AM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM 27-156.
11:17:23AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:17:24AM >> I SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKING FOR THINGS TO BE
11:17:27AM VISUALLY AGGRESSIVE.
11:17:28AM BECAUSE ERIC STARTS TALKING, AND I AM JUST GLAZING OVER.
11:17:31AM BUT -- THE REDUCTION.
11:17:35AM I WAS WITH HIM 100%.
11:17:36AM UNTIL WE STARTED TALKING OF BUILDING BUILDINGS HIGHER.
11:17:39AM AN ADDITIONAL 10%.
11:17:43AM I KNOW ON A 35-FOOT BUILDING, THREE AND A HALF FEET, BUT --
11:17:47AM DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY UP TO 10% HIGHER.
11:17:50AM I AM WITH YOU ON ALL THESE OTHER THINGS IF WE ARE TRYING TO
11:17:52AM AGREE.
11:17:53AM BUT DO WE REALLY HAVE TO GO HIGHER?
11:17:57AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:17:57AM OH, YOU ARE TAKING IT OUT?
11:18:04AM TAKE CAN THE 10% OUT?
11:18:07AM OKAY.
11:18:07AM THAT IS WHY WE ASK QUESTIONS.
11:18:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
11:18:11AM >> SANDRA SANCHEZ.
11:18:13AM ONLY THING I HAVE IS THAT THOSE DECISIONS BEING MADE BEHIND
11:18:19AM CLOSED DOORS AT 15%.
11:18:21AM 10%.
11:18:22AM SAME THING WHEN WE GET ONE PD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF A
11:18:26AM SUDDEN EVERYBODY WHO COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO REZONE
11:18:30AM REFERS TO THAT ONE PD TO GET THAT SETBACK.
11:18:32AM ONE PD -- THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.
11:18:36AM THERE IS A LOT OF THE -- INCIDENTS WITHIN PERMITTING, FOR
11:18:40AM EXAMPLE.
11:18:40AM I CAN GIVE YOU SEVEN HOUSES IN THE LAST YEAR BUILT IN THE
11:18:45AM WEST TAMPA OVERLAY THAT THEY NEVER EVEN ASKED THE QUESTION
11:18:49AM ARE YOU IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
11:18:51AM AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
11:18:54AM SO ONE TIME, I ASKED, I SAID, SINCE THOSE WERE BASICALLY
11:18:59AM APPROVED LEGALLY.
11:19:00AM YOU DIDN'T ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS.
11:19:02AM HAVE THEM FOLLOW WITH THE RULES.
11:19:04AM CAN THEY BE USED AS A COMPARABLE?
11:19:07AM THE ANSWER WAS YES.
11:19:08AM I AM SORRY, TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
11:19:10AM SO IF YOU ALLOW SOMETHING LOOK TO HAPPEN AND THEY CAN MAKE
11:19:14AM THE DECISIONS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF NOTIFICATION AND LETTING
11:19:20AM EVERYBODY KNOW, SET A PRESS DEN FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND
11:19:23AM THOSE DEVELOP WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT ONE THING AND
11:19:26AM SAY, LOOK, YOU APPROVED IT THEN.
11:19:27AM THEY APPROVED IT THEN.
11:19:29AM SO THINK ABOUT REPERCUSSIONS THAT HAVE -- WHEN YOU LOSE
11:19:33AM CONTROL.
11:19:33AM THANK YOU.
11:19:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. COTTON, A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT.
11:19:39AM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING.
11:19:40AM RIGHT NOW IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE AND NOBODY KNOWS, BUT WHAT WE
11:19:44AM DO IS ADD EITHER A DESIGN EXCEPTION WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE
11:19:52AM NOTICED OR A VARIANCE WHICH WILL ALSO BE NOTICED.
11:19:56AM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, MA'AM.
11:19:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: TAKING IT OUT OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND PUTTING
11:20:00AM IT SO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE MORE NOTICE?
11:20:03AM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
11:20:04AM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I THOUGHT I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK.
11:20:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
11:20:09AM YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:20:11AM >> YOU KNOW, WHEN INDIVIDUALS COME UP HERE AND CRITICIZE
11:20:13AM STAFF, I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE THE DEPTH OF WHICH HAVE
11:20:16AM THE STAFF GOES IN REVIEWING EVERY PETITION THAT GOES
11:20:18AM THROUGH.
11:20:19AM IT IS NOT A BLACK HOLE.
11:20:20AM IT IS NOT A BACK DOOR THING.
11:20:22AM IF NEVER HAS BEEN.
11:20:24AM IF YOU HAD A REDUCTION IN AGREE SETBACK, AND ARBORIST REPORT
11:20:29AM IS REQUIRED.
11:20:29AM THE CITY'S ARBORIST HAS TO REVIEW IT.
11:20:32AM I -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.
11:20:34AM STEVEN HAS TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF.
11:20:37AM EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE.
11:20:39AM IT IS WIDE OPEN AND THERE ARE NO SECRETS IN THIS PROCESS.
11:20:42AM THANK YOU.
11:20:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:20:44AM NEXT SLIDE.
11:20:45AM >>ERIC COTTON: THE NEXT REQUEST 27-241 FOR WEST TAMPA.
11:20:59AM BACK IN JUNE, DAVID HUNTER, THE URBAN DESIGN COORDINATOR,
11:21:04AM HAD A MEETING WITH HIS STAFF, AND INCLUDED THE WEST TAMPA
11:21:08AM GROUP AS A -- AS PER ENGAGEMENT.
11:21:10AM AND THEY CAME UP WITH SPECIFIC REQUESTS THEY WERE TALKING
11:21:14AM ABOUT.
11:21:14AM THE QUOTE LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT IS BEING INCLUDED IN THIS
11:21:18AM AMENDMENTS.
11:21:19AM WHICH WOULD -- RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, THERE ARE SPECIFIC
11:21:24AM STANDARDS IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE -- TALK ABOUT WHAT
11:21:28AM HAS TO BE ON A SITE PLAN.
11:21:29AM THE REQUEST IS TO ACTUALLY -- BECAUSE WE REVIEW -- STAFF
11:21:33AM REVIEWS THIS URBAN -- THE WEST COMPANY REQUIREMENTS AS PART
11:21:39AM OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT IS FOR THAT REVIEW.
11:21:49AM THIS IN FOR WHAT HAS TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE SAME
11:21:55AM INFORMATION ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT ITSELF.
11:21:57AM DOES NOT BE COMPETING REGULATIONS IN THE CODE.
11:22:00AM YOU FOLLOW WHAT IS IN CHAPTER 5.
11:22:02AM THAT HAS TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE REVIEW.
11:22:04AM THE REQUIREMENT THAT IS IN CHAPTER 27 WILL BE REMOVED AND NO
11:22:10AM CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO.
11:22:11AM AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL HAVE TO BE FOR THE MAIN FRONT.
11:22:22AM RIGHT NOW, THE CODE, I BELIEVE, REQUIRES IT TO MATCH
11:22:26AM REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS.
11:22:28AM AND IF YOU ARE ON AN INFERIOR LOT AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE
11:22:31AM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM THE ROAD AND GO TO HOME DEPOT AND
11:22:36AM BUY ONE OF THOSE URBAN PLASTIC SHED FOR YOUR YARD AND CORNER
11:22:41AM LOT AND VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, YOUR SHED NEEDS TO
11:22:45AM MATCH MORE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE.
11:22:47AM ONE OF THE OTHER REQUESTS WAS TO PROHIBIT ELECTRONIC
11:22:53AM MESSAGING CENTER SIGNS IN WEST COMPANY RIGHT NOW WEST TAMPA,
11:23:02AM EAST COMPANY WAS AMENDED ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO HAVE A RANGE OF
11:23:07AM 15 FEET TO 25 FEET.
11:23:08AM THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD TO BE HAVE THAT SAME RANGE IN WEST
11:23:12AM COMPANY.
11:23:12AM AS LONG AS YOUR SHOWS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 FEET AND 25 FEET
11:23:21AM FOR THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, SIMILAR TO WHAT IS IN EAST
11:23:26AM TAMPA, THAT WILL BE ALLOWED IN BEST TAMPA.
11:23:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:23:30AM YES, SIR.
11:23:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING ALONG WITH OTHER ONES, I WOULD REALLY
11:23:35AM LIKE A LIST.
11:23:35AM BECAUSE I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH
11:23:47AM THIS ONE.
11:23:47AM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SECTION 5 AND 27.
11:23:53AM IS SECTION 5 THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
11:23:56AM >>ERIC COTTON: NO, CHAPTER.
11:23:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, CHAPTER.
11:23:59AM >>ERIC COTTON: SPECIFIC THINGS ON THE BUILDING PLAN TO BE
11:24:04AM COMPLIANT WITH THE BUILDING CODE.
11:24:05AM ZONING STAFF REVIEWS THAT ZONING PERMIT AS PART OF THE
11:24:08AM REVIEW FOR THE WEST TAMPA COMPLIANCE.
11:24:09AM AND IN WEST TAMPA, OWN CURRENT LANGUAGE WHAT IS SHOWN ON
11:24:14AM THAT PLAN.
11:24:14AM WE ARE SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD -- WHAT IS SHOWN ON THAT
11:24:17AM BUILDING PLAN BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWING WEST
11:24:25AM DOWNPOUR OWN LANGUAGE WHICH IS DUPLICATIVE.
11:24:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE OVERLAY.
11:24:34AM >>ERIC COTTON: ON THE BUILDING PLAN ITSELF.
11:24:37AM NOT THE STANDARDS.
11:24:39AM THE STANDARDS THEMSELVES HAVE STAYING THE SAME.
11:24:42AM ROOF PITCH, THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEING AMENDED .THIS IS ON
11:24:46AM THE SITE PLAN BEING SUBMITTED.
11:24:48AM ONE SITE PLAN FOR THE BUILDING REVIEW AND A SEPARATE SITE
11:24:52AM PLAN FOR WEST TAMPA TO THE PERSON BUILDING THE SINGLE-FAMILY
11:24:55AM HOME DOESN'T HAVE TO DO BOTH.
11:24:57AM SUBMITTED UNDER THE CHAPTER 5 REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS MORE
11:25:00AM STRINGENT THAN WHAT IS IN WEST TAMPA RIGHT NOW JUST FOR THE
11:25:04AM SITE PLAN.
11:25:04AM NOT THE ELEVATION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
11:25:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS THINKING OF HOW WE REQUIRE FOLKS TO NOT
11:25:17AM HAVE NEW DRIVEWAYS AND ENTER WHERE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
11:25:21AM >>ERIC COTTON: SHOWN ON THE BUILDING PLAN.
11:25:23AM >> NOT CHAPTER 5.
11:25:24AM THAT IS AN OVERLAY.
11:25:29AM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY SUBMIT FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT IN WEST
11:25:33AM TAMPA, THEY HAVE TO HAVE COMPLIANT WITH THE WEST TAMPA
11:25:35AM LOCATION.
11:25:36AM THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS REVIEWING FOR.
11:25:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I AM ASKING FOR A LIST OF WHAT EXACTLY
11:25:41AM IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I AM CONFUSE.
11:25:44AM >>ERIC COTTON: OKAY, UNDERSTAND.
11:25:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETHING JUST CRAWLED INTO MY THROAT AND
11:25:50AM I GOT TO BRING IT UP.
11:25:52AM YOU ARE TRYING TO ENHANCE ALL OF WEST TAMPA.
11:25:54AM UP UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:25:55AM SOME YEARS BACK A SURVEY DONE OF DIFFERENT RESIDENCES IN THE
11:25:59AM AREA.
11:25:59AM OVER 100 THAT WERE DWELLING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND
11:26:11AM NEVER A ZONING CHANGE OR SOMETHING.
11:26:12AM UP SAW SOME LINES GO UP AND I HAVE CALLED BUT I AM GOING TO.
11:26:27AM AND MORE THAN ONE THAT ARE RENTALS PROPERTY THERE ARE HOUSES
11:26:42AM IN WEST TAMPA THAT HAVE DEPARTMENT ONE, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR
11:26:51AM AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS.
11:26:57AM IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR ANYONE.
11:27:05AM HAD SOME FLOORS WAS RENTED AND I MANAGE A TRUST THAT HAS
11:27:12AM RENTAL PROBLEMS.
11:27:13AM ALL RENTALS PAY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TAX.
11:27:21AM THE CITY IS USING A LOT OF REVENUE BUT MILLION TO FOLLOWING
11:27:32AM UP ON WHAT WE SHOULD.
11:27:33AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING, THAT I
11:27:41AM KNOW OF ANYWAY REGARDING BRINGING ALL OF THEM AND EVERY YEAR
11:27:50AM YOU PAY AN EXTRA TAX.
11:27:51AM BUSINESS TAX I GUESS YOU CALL IT.
11:27:53AM AND THE PRESIDENT THE PREPONDERANCE OF HOMES DON'T HAVE TO
11:28:06AM DO ANYTHING.
11:28:07AM WHY DOES THE CITY DO THE SAME BY 1900 AND THE VALUE AND SO
11:28:15AM FORTH AND SO ON.
11:28:16AM SO WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING AND DOING SOMETHING AND
11:28:19AM DEVELOPING IT RIGHT WHETHER THINGS TO GET DONE THAT ARE NOT
11:28:24AM DONE I AM NOT BLAMING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
11:28:28AM GOING ON IF FOR DECADES.
11:28:29AM NOTHING NEW I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT IS SOMETHING ELSE
11:28:41AM DIFFICULT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE IT.
11:28:43AM IF IT IS COPE CAT.
11:28:45AM ONE DOES IT AND NOBODY ELSE DOES IT I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE
11:28:53AM YOU A GOAL OF THE THING, BUT A WAY OF LIFE.
11:28:55AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:28:56AM THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY ON THIS ITEM HERE.
11:29:03AM I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS THAT ARE NEEDED TO COMPLY.
11:29:05AM YOU GO FROM ONE BLOCK.
11:29:10AM AND THE ALLEYS WHERE YOU WANT THEM TO PARK.
11:29:12AM SOME OF THOSE ALLEYS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE WHERE I LIVE.
11:29:16AM I BOUGHT THE HOUSE I BOUGHT IN 1968.
11:29:28AM NO ALLEY.
11:29:28AM ONE ALLEY DOWN THE STREET AND 14 FEET WIDE.
11:29:31AM NEXT BLOCK, 19 FEET WIDE.
11:29:35AM AND THAT IS HOW IT IS SO WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMETHING TO TRY
11:29:40AM TO MAKE IT BETTER AND I AGREE WITH IS THAT AND DIFFICULT TO
11:29:47AM OBTAIN ALL THE THINGS AT ONCE.
11:29:48AM WHERE DO YOU START?
11:29:50AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:29:50AM PUT IT ONE, TWO, FOUR, I DON'T SEE WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO.
11:29:59AM SEND THEM A LETTER APARTMENT COMPLETION.
11:30:07AM NOT ONLY ARE THEY PAYING YOU THE CITY.
11:30:09AM THEY ARE NOT PAYING THE 20 SOMETHING TO GET TO THE FEDERAL
11:30:16AM GOVERNMENT.
11:30:16AM WHAT A COUNTRY FOR THEM ALL I AM SAYING, WE NEED TO CHANGE
11:30:23AM THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS.
11:30:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:30:28AM PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:30:28AM COME ON UP.
11:30:30AM >> SANDRA SANCHEZ.
11:30:34AM YOU KNEW I WOULD BE HERE FOR THIS ONE.
11:30:36AM OVER TWO YEARS AGO, WE STARTED ASKING TO WORK ON THE WEST
11:30:41AM TAMPA OVERLAY.
11:30:44AM MAYBE THREE YEARS NOW.
11:30:50AM ERIC COULD THE TOWN KNEW IT.
11:30:52AM IF GOT PUSHED BACK AND NOT UNTIL WE THREW THAT FIT THAT THEY
11:31:01AM PAID ATTENTION.
11:31:02AM THE CODE CAME INTO PLAY.
11:31:05AM AND SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY HAS BEEN
11:31:11AM CHOPPED UP INTO A TEXT AMENDMENT.
11:31:13AM THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB.
11:31:16AM I HAVE TO GIVE DAVID HUNTER CREDIT A WONDERFUL MEETING AT
11:31:23AM THE BOAT HOUSE ON THE RIVER.
11:31:24AM 100 PEOPLE.
11:31:25AM WE BROKE UP INTO GROUPS.
11:31:27AM WE GAVE OUR OPINIONS.
11:31:28AM AND WE GOT A SURVEY A VERY LENGTHY SURVEY THAT WE FILLED IN
11:31:37AM AND THERE IS RED ON EVERY PAGE ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION.
11:31:40AM THEN I STARTED ASKING FOR A DRAFT.
11:31:43AM WHAT DID WE DECIDE COME UP WITH AND WHAT DID WE DO.
11:31:52AM I HAD TO BEG WITH A COPY OF THE DRAFT ONLY ON THE CONDITION
11:31:55AM I DIDN'T SHARE IT WITH ANYBODY.
11:31:57AM THREE OF US GOT IT.
11:31:58AM HERE IS ONE CHANGE HERE THIS S ABOUT THE SITE PLAN.
11:32:06AM ANOTHER GAME HERE.
11:32:08AM EVERYBODY ELSE THE PARKING SITUATION IN THE ALLEY WAS LEFT
11:32:12AM FOR A LATER TIME.
11:32:13AM NOTHING OF RESPONSE IN THIS WEST TAMPA OVERLAY SUGGESTED
11:32:19AM DRAFT.
11:32:19AM ONE THING THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED TO GIVE SEMANTICS AND
11:32:31AM CLARITY TO IT.
11:32:32AM THE SETBACKS ON A THE SIDE WAS FIVE FEET.
11:32:34AM WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT SEVEN FEET TO COMPLY WITH THE REST
11:32:37AM OF THE CITY EVERYTHING ELSE CAN WAIT.
11:32:40AM WHY DO A PARTIAL NOW WAIT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO
11:32:49AM CHANGE.
11:32:49AM WE WILL LEAVE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADDRESS THE
11:32:53AM OVERLAYS WHEN ADDRESSING THE OTHER OVERLAYS IN TAMPA.
11:32:58AM TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
11:33:00AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THIS CAN BE THE SUGGESTION FOR TEXT
11:33:11AM AMENDMENT AND BE LEFT TO THE OVERLAY -- THE NEW LAND
11:33:15AM DEVELOPMENT CODE.
11:33:15AM THANK YOU.
11:33:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:33:26AM MR. COTTON.
11:33:27AM >>ERIC COTTON: THAT DECISION IS UP FOR CITY COUNCIL.
11:33:29AM IF YOU WANT TO.
11:33:30AM FOR CLARION TO DO THE DEEPER DIVE INTO THE CODE IF COUNCIL
11:33:37AM SO CHOOSES.
11:33:38AM STAFF DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IF THAT IS PART OF THE
11:33:41AM REQUEST.
11:33:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:33:42AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF Y'ALL FEEL ABOUT IT, I AM FINE
11:33:52AM WAITING AND WHAT THE LDC.
11:33:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY THIS
11:33:58AM SECTION.
11:33:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY 27-241 WEST TAMPA
11:34:03AM DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
11:34:05AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
11:34:07AM HENDERSON.
11:34:07AM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
11:34:08AM OPPOSED?
11:34:09AM VERY GOOD.
11:34:10AM NEXT.
11:34:10AM >>ERIC COTTON: SECTION 27-284.2.5.
11:34:20AM RIGHT NOW FOR THE REMOVAL OF A GRAND TREE THAT IS REQUIRED
11:34:23AM TO BE SUBMITTED.
11:34:24AM RIGHT NOW ACCORDING TO THE CODE SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT
11:34:32AM AND STAKE THE CORNERS OF THE STRUCTURE.
11:34:34AM THE NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:34:37AM ESPECIALLY ONE OF THE OFFICER VIEWS THAT REVIEWS FOR THE
11:34:39AM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDS USING THE REPORT AS THAT
11:34:51AM HAVE BEEN COMMITTED.
11:34:52AM TWO REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE.
11:34:55AM AND ONE IS THE STAKING.
11:34:56AM OTHER IS TO SHOW ON THE PROPERTY SOMEHOW.
11:35:04AM ONLY WAY TO SEE THAT IS ON A PLAN.
11:35:08AM YOU CAN'T SHOW THAT ON THE FIELD AS WELL.
11:35:09AM AND THIS WILL ALLOW ALL -- ALL THE FORESTERS FOR THE CITY
11:35:13AM ARE ALL ASE CERTIFIED AND REVIEW THE SUBMITTAL PACKAGE
11:35:20AM FROM THE HOMEBUILDER ON THE HOMEOWNER.
11:35:24AM AND OUR ARBORIST WILL REVIEW THAT DATA SUBMITTED AND IF
11:35:28AM NECESSARY, WILL GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE SITE ALSO.
11:35:31AM WALK THE SITE WITH THE ARBORIST TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE --
11:35:33AM WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING IS ACCURATE.
11:35:35AM IT DOESN'T AMEND THE REQUEST OF HAVING TO SHOW DIFFERENT
11:35:42AM LAYOUTS OF THE PROPERTY TO SHOW COMPLIANCE.
11:35:44AM ENABLES THE PROFESSIONAL TO TALK TO ONE ANOTHER AND TO NOT
11:35:49AM STAKE THE PROPERTY.
11:35:50AM RIGHT NOW IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT STAKED, IT DELAYS THE
11:35:54AM PROCESS BY -- I BELIEVE IT IS 30 DAYS WHICH WILL PUT YOU
11:35:56AM INTO A HEARING THAT IS NOW -- OKAY, SO SAYS BY CODE IF 23409
11:36:06AM INSPECTED 15 DAYS PUTS YOU BACK TWO MONTHS BECAUSE THAT IS
11:36:10AM THE WAY NOTICE IS REQUIRED BY FROM THE CITY.
11:36:12AM AND THE REQUEST FROM NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF.
11:36:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM?
11:36:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I HEARD YOU SAY, THEY
11:36:21AM COULD COME OUT TO THE SITE, OUR CITY FOLKS.
11:36:23AM I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD GO OUT TO THE SITE.
11:36:25AM >>ERIC COTTON: THEY GO OUT TO THE SITES JUST -- SEMANTICS
11:36:30AM WHAT I SAID.
11:36:30AM THEY DO GO OUT TO SITES.
11:36:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GO
11:36:35AM TO THE SITE NOW.
11:36:35AM OKAY, I MUST HAVE MISHEARD.
11:36:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:36:40AM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?
11:36:42AM YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:36:43AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:36:48AM YOU KNOW THE MORE OF THESE I KEEP HEARING, THE LESS I KNOW
11:36:52AM ABOUT THEM.
11:36:52AM I TONIGHT REMEMBER SEEING THIS.
11:36:58AM I DON'T REMEMBER CARROLL ANN TALKING ABOUT IT.
11:37:00AM YES, I WENT TO A MEETING AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE
11:37:04AM DISCUSSED AT A MEETING, BUT I AM KIND OF CONFUSED BECAUSE I
11:37:07AM AM SIGHING MORE AND MORE OF THESE COMING UP HERE.
11:37:09AM AND I AM LIKE, YEAH, I -- I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING THIS
11:37:13AM BEFORE.
11:37:14AM NOW MIND YOU, I SLEPT SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE OF
11:37:17AM THESE MEETINGS.
11:37:18AM HAS BEEN QUITE A WHILE AGO, AND MAYBE I TOTALLY MISSED IT.
11:37:27AM I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED AND CARROLL ANNE HAS BEEN ASKING --
11:37:31AM SHE IS NOT HERE TODAY -- BUT SHE HAS BEEN ASKING REPEATEDLY
11:37:36AM THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES FOLKS GET BACK TOGETHER AND CROSS
11:37:39AM TRAINED AND DO THEIR JOB A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
11:37:41AM THEY USED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
11:37:43AM SO THIS KIND OF STUFF IS EASIER FOR THEM TO DO.
11:37:46AM IF THEY HAVE A DISTRICT AND ALL KIND OF CROSS-TRAINED MAYBE
11:37:50AM THEY WOULD HAVE THE TIME TO DO THIS.
11:37:51AM I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON NATURAL RESOURCES BECAUSE THEY DO
11:37:55AM A GOOD JOB, BUT I AM BECOMING A LITTLE CONCERNED AS WE KEEP
11:37:58AM LOOKING AT THIS.
11:37:59AM AND I AM LIKE -- I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THIS BEFORE.
11:38:01AM I DON'T REMEMBER.
11:38:02AM BUT MR. MICHELINI KNOW ABOUT IT.
11:38:04AM AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER SANDY DOES EITHER.
11:38:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM -- IS MISS FEELEY COMING UP?
11:38:13AM >>ERIC COTTON: I WAS GOING TO SAY THE LAST SLIDE I SAID IS
11:38:16AM THE SCHEDULE FOR THIS.
11:38:17AM THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PROCESS TO SEE IF COUNCIL WANTS TO
11:38:21AM MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THESE.
11:38:22AM WE HAVEN'T HAD MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC AND THAT IS COMING
11:38:25AM UP NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER.
11:38:27AM THIS IS -- THESE ARE ALL INTERNAL.
11:38:29AM EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST THREE ITEMS THAT WERE COUNCIL
11:38:33AM INITIATED.
11:38:33AM ALL ISSUE THAT STAFF IS BRINGING FORWARD AGAIN TO IMPROVE
11:38:38AM OUR COLD AND THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE.
11:38:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING TO ADDED TO THAT?
11:38:46AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THESE ARE JUST THE CONCEPTS.
11:38:49AM WE STOPPED WRITING THE LANGUAGE UNTIL WE GOT APPROVAL ON THE
11:38:52AM CONCEPTS THAT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD AND THEN THERE WILL BE
11:38:55AM THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSIONS JUST LIKE WE HAVE CON FOR
11:38:58AM EVERY PUBLIC CYCLE.
11:38:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:39:00AM ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:39:01AM IF NOT, HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DO YOU HAVE?
11:39:04AM >>ERIC COTTON: I BELIEVE I HAVE TWO MORE.
11:39:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, GO AHEAD.
11:39:08AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-284.34.3.
11:39:13AM LANDSCAPE BEFORE SESSION.
11:39:15AM AGAIN, AS YOU HEARD SOMEONE MENTION BEFORE OF THE PRIVATELY
11:39:18AM INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENTS.
11:39:19AM PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT IN 2022 OF GROUP A TO USE
11:39:30AM GROUP.
11:39:31AM GROUP USAY IN ENGLISH IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, FOR EXAMPLE
11:39:37AM GROUP C WILL BE AN AUTO REPAIR FACILITY OR MEDICAL OFFICE.
11:39:45AM WHAT WAS AMENDED TO THE COULD HE HAD WAS REQUIRED FOR THE
11:39:48AM FIRST TIME GROUP USE A REQUIRED 15-FOOT BUFFER AND MASONRY
11:39:54AM BALL TO THE GROUP.
11:40:00AM THEY DON'T HAVE THE WALL OR THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
11:40:03AM COMING IN NEXT DOOR AND BUILDING A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, YOU
11:40:05AM NOW HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT 15-FOOT BEFORE TAKE A TYPICAL
11:40:11AM 50-FOOT-SIDE LOT.
11:40:13AM SEVEN PUT ON ONE SIDE FOR THE QUARTERBACK AND -- THAT WILL
11:40:20AM -- NORMALLY THE BURDEN ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL USE TO PROVIDE
11:40:24AM THE BUFFER.
11:40:25AM IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES YOU ARE BUYING A HOUSE NEXT DOOR ARE
11:40:32AM YOU KNOW IT IS THERE.
11:40:33AM DON'T BRING IT TO TODAY'S STANDARD.
11:40:39AM THAT IS WHAT THAT TEXT AMENDMENT IS FOR.
11:40:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
11:40:49AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
11:40:51AM THIS WAS PRIVATELY INITIATED.
11:40:53AM IT WAS PUT IT THE TABLE WRONG.
11:40:55AM THE HOUSE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BUFFER TO THE COMMERCIAL.
11:40:58AM FROM 100-FOOT DEPTH LOT, SUCKS UP THE 15 FOOT AND THEY HAVE
11:41:04AM TO PUT IN THE WALLS.
11:41:06AM AMENDMENT COMES THROUGH AND PEOPLE HAVE SEEN THIS NUMBER OF
11:41:10AM TIMES.
11:41:10AM CODE COMES IN THE WALL AND 15 FEET ON MY SINGLE-FAMILY
11:41:14AM PIECE.
11:41:14AM AND THAT -- SO THAT WAS -- IT WAS SEEN AS AN ERROR IN HOW
11:41:18AM THE PRIVATE TEXT AMENDMENT WAS PROCESSED.
11:41:20AM AND WE ARE TRYING TO CORRECT THAT.
11:41:22AM AND PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
11:41:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM?
11:41:33AM >> I AM GOOD.
11:41:34AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:41:36AM >> WE AGREE WITH STAFF.
11:41:37AM STEVE MICHELINI.
11:41:38AM A HARDSHIP PLACED ON THE RESIDENTS THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
11:41:41AM SHOULD BE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE WHICHEVER
11:41:45AM IS MORE INTENSIVE.
11:41:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. COTTON, LAST SLIDE.
11:41:51AM >>ERIC COTTON: SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.
11:41:53AM I HAVE THE SCHEDULE NEXT.
11:41:54AM SECOND TO LAST SLIDE IN THE CODE 27-09.6.
11:41:59AM SORRY FOR THE -- FOR AC UNITS AND POOL EQUIPMENT.
11:42:06AM WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, EXCUSE ME, ARE GENERATORS.
11:42:10AM BECAUSE WHEN -- WHEN THAT CODE AMENDMENT -- WHEN THAT CODE
11:42:14AM WAS WRITTEN BACK IN THE '820s, GENERATORS.
11:42:17AM WHOLE HOUSE GENERATORS WERE NOT A THING.
11:42:20AM AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW FOR WHOLE HOUSE GENERATORS TO BE
11:42:24AM PLACED AT THE SAME SETBACK AS AN AC UNIT OR POOL EQUIPMENT.
11:42:28AM THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD AT ALL BUT REAR AND
11:42:32AM SIDE YARDS WITH REDUCED SETBACKS FROM THE HOUSE.
11:42:34AM DISCUSSION BROUGHT UP TWO DAYS AGO THAT I WAS GOING TO
11:42:37AM INCLUDE IN THIS REQUEST, WHICH IS FOR M FLOOD ZONES.
11:42:45AM TECO REQUIRED THE ELECTRIC BOX TO BE OUT OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
11:42:48AM THEY ALSO REQUIRE A STAND FOR THE STAFF TO GO UP AND SERVICE
11:42:51AM THE BOX SO THEY ARE NOT DOING IT OFF OF A LADDER.
11:42:54AM I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE ANOTHER AMENDMENT AS PART OF THIS
11:42:59AM SECTION THE ELECTRICAL BOXES AND THE STAND REQUIRED BY TECO
11:43:03AM TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
11:43:04AM THAT IS THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE.
11:43:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:43:07AM ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS?
11:43:08AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:43:09AM NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.
11:43:11AM YES, SIR, YOUR LAST SLIDE.
11:43:14AM >>ERIC COTTON: MY LAST SLIDE.
11:43:18AM NEXT STEPS.
11:43:18AM CONTINUE TO IS JANUARY 28.
11:43:20AM WHAT -- I THINK WHAT MISS POYNOR WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER
11:43:29AM THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
11:43:30AM WE USUALLY DO TWO PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.
11:43:34AM THEY ARE VIRTUAL AND WE WILL HAVE THEM AT NIGHT.
11:43:37AM MID-FEBRUARY.
11:43:38AM WE WILL HAVE THEM IN THE EVENING.
11:43:39AM WE WILL START TO GET COMMENTS BACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND
11:43:41AM ACTUALLY CRAFT THE LANGUAGE, WHICH WILL THEN COME BACK TO
11:43:49AM CITY COUNCIL.
11:43:49AM THAT IS WHEN YOU WILL SEE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WHAT IS BEING
11:43:52AM PROPOSED.
11:43:52AM IF YOU AGREE WITH IT, GREAT.
11:43:55AM IF YOU WANT TO DO AMENDMENTS.
11:43:57AM WE CAN AMENDMENTS AT THAT POINT.
11:44:00AM ONCE THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED THEY TRANSMIT THAT LANGUAGE TO THE
11:44:03AM PLANNING COMMISSION.
11:44:04AM WE HAVE OUR BRIEFING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
11:44:05AM AND THE HEARING WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING
11:44:08AM COMMISSION.
11:44:08AM THEY COME BACK FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:44:11AM HOPEFULLY BY THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST, END THE AUGUST WE WILL
11:44:21AM HAVE IT GO THROUGH AND AMENDED TO OUR CODE.
11:44:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:44:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
11:44:25AM CAN YOU PUT THE LIST OF ALL OF THEM UP AGAIN?
11:44:33AM NOT THE COUNCIL ONES.
11:44:34AM I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN EXACTLY THE ONES I WANT MORE DETAIL ON.
11:44:38AM BECAUSE I WANTED MORE DETAIL ON 27-60.
11:44:46AM AND I THINK --
11:44:48AM >>ERIC COTTON: 27-71.
11:44:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 27-71.
11:44:52AM SO YOU ARE SAYING, GOING BACK TO THE DATES --
11:44:57AM >>ERIC COTTON: YES.
11:44:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK: -- YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL HAVE ALL YOU HAVE
11:45:00AM THIS READY TO GO WITH DRAFT LANGUAGE IN FEBRUARY/MARCH?
11:45:08AM >> WE SHOULD HAVE DRAFT LANGUAGE TO PRESENT THE CONCEPTUALS
11:45:11AM AGAIN TO THE PUBLIC LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT CHANGES WE AS
11:45:14AM STAFF ARE PLANNING IN A LITTLE GREATER DETAIL.
11:45:17AM ONCE WE GET THAT, PROVIDE THE FINALIZED LANGUAGE TO CITY
11:45:21AM COUNCIL.
11:45:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK: IN AUGUST?
11:45:24AM >>ERIC COTTON: IN MAY.
11:45:24AM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND COME BACK
11:45:28AM AT A WORKSHOP.
11:45:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO THAT THE CHANGES TO 27-60 AND
11:45:33AM 27-71 COME AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON FEBRUARY 20.
11:45:37AM IS THAT DOABLE?
11:45:39AM THAT GIVES YOU TIME TO GET IT INTO ON BASE AND THOSE THINGS?
11:45:44AM THOSE CHANGES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT
11:45:47AM SO I CAN VISUALIZE AND SEE THEM CLEARER.
11:45:49AM ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD?
11:45:51AM I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE -- CAN YOU PUT THOSE UP ON AGAIN FOR
11:45:55AM ME.
11:45:55AM >>ERIC COTTON: SORRY.
11:45:57AM LOOKING AT MY NOTES.
11:45:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF GIVE --
11:46:03AM GIVE SPECIFIC DETAILS TO 27-60 ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS
11:46:09AM CHANGES.
11:46:09AM AND 27-71, SITE PLAN FOR SPECIAL USES DESIGN EXCEPTIONS FOR
11:46:15AM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARDS, STANDARDS THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE
11:46:20AM AS A WRITTEN REPORT ON 20th.
11:46:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND.
11:46:25AM ALL RIGHT.
11:46:27AM YES, SIR.
11:46:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. COTTON AND MISS
11:46:31AM FEELEY AND YOUR STAFF.
11:46:32AM VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND VERY WELL-DONE.
11:46:34AM THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
11:46:36AM I KNOW YOU PROBABLY DO THIS ALREADY, BUT BE SURE TO INCLUDE
11:46:39AM THE BUILDER ASSOCIATION -- AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT
11:46:45AM ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT.
11:46:46AM THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION WILL HELP GET THE BUILDER OUT AND
11:46:50AM T.H.A.N. CAN GET THE NEIGHBORS OUT.
11:46:52AM BUT WANT TO HAVE ROBUST INPUT ON IT.
11:46:55AM THANK YOU.
11:46:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LAST ITEM OF THE DAY, NUMBER 6, A MOTION
11:46:58AM BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
11:46:59AM WHOEVER WISHES TO KICK IT OFF, AND I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN
11:47:05AM HENDERSON.
11:47:05AM DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT?
11:47:16AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THOUGHT YOU ASKED IF THE COUNCILMEMBER
11:47:18AM WANTED TO KICK IT OFF AND THEN WE GO INTO A PRESENTATION.
11:47:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU FIRST AND THEN THE COUNCILMEMBER.
11:47:22AM >>ABBYE FEELEY: PERFECT.
11:47:24AM THANK YOU.
11:47:24AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:47:26AM ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR ECONOMIC ABILITY.
11:47:30AM WITH ME TODAY, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, SUSAN
11:47:34AM JOHNSON-VELEZ.
11:47:34AM WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY A 30-MINUTE PRESENTATION FOR OUT BE
11:47:38AM THIS.
11:47:38AM ON THE LARGE DIGITAL FORMAT SIGNS ITEM NUMBER 6 ON YOUR
11:47:43AM AGENDA TODAY.
11:47:44AM IF CCTV CAN BRING THAT UP.
11:47:47AM OKAY.
11:48:08AM THANK YOU.
11:48:08AM SUSAN AND I WILL PRESENT TO YOU TOGETHER.
11:48:10AM AND WE WILL HAND OUT ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS AS WE MOVE
11:48:13AM THROUGH IT.
11:48:14AM I DO HAVE AN OVERVIEW WHAT WE WILL TOUCH ON TODAY.
11:48:17AM COUNCIL MADE THE MOTION FOR THIS TO COME -- HOW CAN I SEE
11:48:21AM THIS ON MY SCREEN?
11:48:27AM THANK YOU.
11:48:27AM MAGIC.
11:48:28AM SUSAN AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING SINCE -- OVER AT THE HOLIDAYS
11:48:34AM THROUGH DECEMBER TO REVIEW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
11:48:37AM AS THIS DISCUSSION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES
11:48:42AM WERE REFERENCED AS TO THE CODES THAT THEY HAD AND HOW WE
11:48:45AM COULD LOOK TO THOSE CODES TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT OR
11:48:50AM CONSIDER THAT TO BE THE APPROACH THAT THE CITY TAKES.
11:48:54AM SO WE WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF WHAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH
11:48:56AM THAT PROCESS WITH YOU THIS MORNING ALSO A VERY VIEW OF THE
11:49:02AM CURRENT CITY SIGN CODES.
11:49:07AM OFFSITE SIGNAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED IN THE CITY
11:49:12AM CODE, WE WANT TO SHARE REQUEST WITH YOU SOME OF THE SIGN
11:49:15AM DEFINITIONS, WHAT THE CHANGES MEANS AND A BRIEF DISCUSSION
11:49:18AM ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND THE ABILITY TO LIMIT ANY COPY
11:49:22AM AREA OR ADVERTISEMENT ON THOSE SIGNS WE WILL GO THROUGH A
11:49:29AM BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE PLAN.
11:49:31AM THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT SPEAKS TO SIGNS AND THE
11:49:34AM INTENT.
11:49:35AM ALSO OUR SIGN CODE WHICH I LEFT OUT OF THIS OVERVIEW.
11:49:38AM VISION ZERO, AND THE BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT YOU
11:49:43AM ARE FAMILIAR WITH, AND WE WILL DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IN
11:49:46AM THAT, AND PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN THERE THAT MAY IMPACT THE
11:49:50AM APPROACH TAKEN BY THE CITY.
11:49:50AM AND LASTLY, WE WILL SHARE YOU WITH OUR PROPOSED APPROACH
11:49:54AM BASED ON ALL OF THESE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS THAT HAVE GONE
11:49:57AM INTO THIS PRESENTATION.
11:49:58AM SO REVIEW OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
11:50:03AM AND I THINK DANA IS STILL HERE.
11:50:07AM DANA SPOKE AND ASSISTED US ON SOME OF THE LIFTING ON THIS.
11:50:11AM THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ADOPTED
11:50:17AM DIFFERENT SIGN PLANS.
11:50:18AM SOME OF THEM HAVE SET-UP SPECIAL DISTRICTS.
11:50:20AM SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNS.
11:50:26AM SOME OF THEM HAD DIRECT LOCATION WHERE IS THE SIGNS HAVE TO
11:50:29AM GROW AND I WILL SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THAT.
11:50:31AM MOST OF THEM, THE PROCESS TOOK THEM 18 TO 24 MONTHS WITH
11:50:35AM BALTIMORE.
11:50:40AM WITH BALTIMORE, THEY FINISHED IN 2022 AND THEY JUST SAW THE
11:50:45AM FIRST SIGNS TO GO IN.
11:50:47AM A STREET VIEW TO SHOW FOR YOU AS WELL.
11:50:50AM MOST ALL ARE ESTABLISHED FOR A CERTAIN REASON, EITHER
11:50:53AM PLACEMAKING, TO CREATE CERTAIN DISTRICTS, TO CREATE LOOKS
11:50:57AM AND FEELS OF PLACES AND I WILL SHARE THAT AND SEE THAT IN
11:51:00AM WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING OR OUR PROPOSED APPROACH, WE ARE
11:51:03AM LOOKING AT PLACEMAKING IN THAT IS THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL.
11:51:07AM SO BALTIMORE IS DONE.
11:51:12AM THIS IS A SHOT FROM THEIR DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP PLAN DONE
11:51:17AM FLEW THEIR DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
11:51:21AM IS AND WHY IS TO BENEFIT ARTIST, SMALL BUSINESSES AND
11:51:28AM VITALITY.
11:51:28AM THEY TALK OF GIVING CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE DWELL TIME OF
11:51:33AM THE SIGN TO ASSIST SMALL BUSINESSES.
11:51:36AM THEY ALSO THIS APPROACH HAS AS LIMITED NUMBER.
11:51:40AM AND STARTED WITH A LIMITED NUMBER OF SIGNS.
11:51:44AM THEY ACTUALLY SAID THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY COULD GO.
11:51:47AM AND THEN IN THEIR SIGN PLAN, THEY SHOW YOU RENDERINGS OF
11:52:00AM SIGNS AND TALK TO THEM IN THE SIGN CODE.
11:52:01AM SHOW YOU THE CITATIONS.
11:52:08AM WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE.
11:52:09AM AND THIS IS THE RENDERING AND THE ACTUAL SIGN.
11:52:14AM IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM ALL SIDES OF GOOGLE EARTH RIGHT NOW.
11:52:20AM IF YOU GO BACK AND SEE THIS IS WHERE IT SHOWS, THE SIZE OF
11:52:24AM IT.
11:52:25AM HERE IS THE INSTALLATION.
11:52:26AM AND THIS IS ON THE PARKING GARAGE AND THAT SIGN IS SPEAKING
11:52:32AM TO SOME COMMUNITY EVENTS.
11:52:33AM FRIDAY NIGHT EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP.
11:52:35AM SO THAT JUST WANTED TO SHARE YOU WITH SOME OF THE
11:52:39AM IMPLEMENTATION AND DIFFERENT APPROACHES.
11:52:41AM IN DENVER, THEY, TOO, HAD A SPECIAL DISTRICT.
11:52:48AM THAT IS THEIR THEATRE DISTRICT.
11:52:50AM AND THEY HAVE THAT GENERAL PURPOSE.
11:52:54AM THE FIRST ONE I WOULD LIKE TO READ, THE FACILITATE THE
11:52:58AM CREATION OF AN UNIQUE DOWNTOWN THEATRE DISTRICT AND BUILD ON
11:53:02AM THE CHARACTER OF THE DENVER PERFORMING ARTS COMPLEX.
11:53:05AM IN THEIR PURPOSE THEY TALK OF THE FLEXIBILITY, SIZE AND
11:53:10AM LOCATION; HOWEVER, I AM GOING TO SHOW NEW JUST A MOMENT,
11:53:13AM THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH EACH OF THEIR BLOCKS AND ONLY YOU
11:53:15AM WHERE THE SIGNS CAN GO.
11:53:16AM THEIR SIGN CODE IS ABOUT 87 PAGES OF JUST GOING THROUGH EACH
11:53:22AM OF THE BUILDINGS.
11:53:22AM LASTLY, IT DOES TALK ABOUT MITIGATING ANY ADVERSE IMPACT OF
11:53:28AM THE LARGE FORMAT SIGN.
11:53:30AM IN KEEPING THROUGH THE WEST HOLLYWOOD, SUNSET STRIP
11:53:38AM MUNICIPALITY, THEIR SIGN CODE HAS BEEN IN FOR FIVE YEARS.
11:53:41AM AND WE DID RESEARCH THAT THEY ARE JUST REVISITING TO ADDRESS
11:53:45AM CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING AND
11:53:49AM THE ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT THEY ARE HAVING.
11:53:52AM THEY DID A LIGHTING STUDY WITH THEIR SIGN PLAN.
11:53:57AM THEY DID AN IMPACT ON WILDLIFE STUDY IN THEIR SIGN
11:54:01AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:54:01AM SO JUST SHOWING YOU KIND OF HOW EACH OF THESE CITIES HAVE
11:54:05AM DIFFERENT EFFORTS AND REQUIRED DIFFERENT INPUTS.
11:54:10AM AND ALL REACHED DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS HOW THEY ARE
11:54:14AM IMPLEMENTING.
11:54:15AM THIS IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE DENVER SIGN CODE.
11:54:17AM IT SHOWS YOU WE JUST PULLED OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT PAGES AND
11:54:23AM SHOWS YOU THE BUILDING FACADE, WHERE THOSE SIGNS CAN SHOW.
11:54:27AM THEY DO NOT ALLOW THEM ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
11:54:29AM ANOTHER FEET FROM HERE THAT OUTLINES THE AREAS WHERE THE
11:54:33AM SIGNS CAN GO RELATIVE TO THEIR DIFFERENT SIGN TYPE
11:54:37AM ALLOWANCES.
11:54:39AM HERE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ACTUAL INSTALLATIONS.
11:54:43AM ON THE LEFT, THAT IS THEIR PERFORMING ARTS.
11:54:46AM I THINK THAT IS CHICK-FIL-A BEING ADVERTISED ON THERE.
11:54:49AM AND THEN ANOTHER BUILDING IN -- IN THE DENVER AREA.
11:54:53AM I AM GOING TO TURN THE NEXT SECTION OVER TO SUSAN OF THE
11:55:05AM CITY OF TAMPA SIGN CODES AND OUR DEFINITIONS.
11:55:07AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, ABBYE.
11:55:13AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:55:14AM STILL BARELY MORNING.
11:55:16AM SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:55:18AM I WANT TO GO OVER WITH YOU EXISTING DECISIONS OF SIGNS IN
11:55:22AM OUR SIGN CODE.
11:55:23AM WHEN WE DO AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE TAKE
11:55:26AM INTO ACCOUNT OTHER THINGS EXIST IN THERE.
11:55:28AM SO THERE IS -- THE FIRST ONE THAT I WANTED TO CALL YOUR
11:55:31AM ATTENTION TO IS -- IS -- OOPS.
11:55:35AM SECTION 27-289.7 IN THE CODE, WHICH -- WHICH PROVIDES A
11:55:41AM LAUNDRY LIST OF SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROHIBITED IN OUR
11:55:45AM SIGN CODE.
11:55:46AM SO I LISTED THREE THERE, PARTICULARLY THAT ARE RELEVANT TO
11:55:49AM THIS DISCUSSION THAT IS ACTIVATED SIGNS, EXCEPT ELECTRONIC
11:55:54AM MESSAGE, BILLBOARD SIGNS AND OFF-SITE SIGNS.
11:55:57AM I WANT TO PUT UP THE LIST ON THE ELMO OF -- OF REALLY KIND
11:56:04AM OF THE COMPLETE LAUNDRY LIST THAT INCLUDES IF YOU CAN CUE
11:56:17AM THE ELMO PLEASE.
11:56:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ACTIVATE WOLF VISION.
11:56:20AM IT IS CALLED THE WOLF VISION AND MARE DRAMATIC.
11:56:25AM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: OTHER THAN ELMO.
11:56:26AM OKAY.
11:56:27AM 27-289.7 AND INCLUDES A TABLE OF PROHIBITED SIGN TYPES.
11:56:35AM ACTIVATED SIGNS THERE AND NONCONFORMING BILLBOARD SIGNS WITH
11:56:47AM DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF THE SIGN CODE.
11:56:49AM IT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SNIPE SIGNS, VARIOUS DIFFERENT TYPES
11:56:53AM OF SIGNS.
11:56:53AM OFF-SITE SIGNS ARE LISTED.
11:56:56AM I WILL GO THROUGH THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR THREE
11:56:59AM DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNS I HIGHLIGHTED THERE, BUT YOU CAN
11:57:02AM SEE NO CONDITION UPON WHICH OFF-SITE SIGNS CAN CURRENTLY
11:57:07AM EXIST IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:57:08AM LET'S TAKE MOMENT AND JUST LOOK AT THESE DEFINITIONS.
11:57:11AM IF I CAN HAVE THE -- THANK YOU.
11:57:13AM ACTIVATED SIGNS AS YOU CAN SEE THERE.
11:57:15AM ANY LINE THAT CONTAINS OR USES FOR ILLUMINATION ANY LIGHT,
11:57:19AM LIGHTING DEVICE OR LIGHTS THAT CHANGE COLOR, WHICH FLASH,
11:57:23AM WHICH ALTERNATE OR CHANGE APPEARANCE OF THE SIGN OR ANY
11:57:26AM APPEARANCE AUTOMATICALLY.
11:57:27AM AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, AGAIN, THAT EXCEPTION FOR ELECTRONIC
11:57:30AM MESSAGE SIGNS.
11:57:31AM ACTIVATED SIGNS ARE SIGNS THAT INCLUDE MOVING PARTS AS PART
11:57:36AM OF THEIR NORMAL OPERATIONS OR DEPICT COPY THAT MOVES OR
11:57:39AM APPEARS TO BE MOVING ALL THOSE ARE CONSIDERED ACTIVATED --
11:57:48AM ACTIVATED SIGNS ALL PROHIBITED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:57:51AM BILLBOARD SIGN FREE-STANDING OFF-SITE SIGNS.
11:57:56AM IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DEFINITION ANY SIGN THAT IDENTIFIES OR
11:57:59AM ADVERTISES A USE, ESTABLISHMENT, PRODUCT OR UTILITY OR
11:58:02AM SERVICE THAT IS NOT SOLD, PRODUCED OR MANUFACTURED ON THE
11:58:05AM PARCEL ON WHICH THE SIGN IS LOCATED.
11:58:08AM I DO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES FOR YOU TOO BEFORE I FINISH GOING
11:58:11AM THROUGH THESE DEFINITIONS.
11:58:12AM THAT IS A BILLBOARD SIGN.
11:58:15AM AND OFF-SITE SIGNS, ANY SIGN THAT -- THERE IS COMMERCIAL
11:58:21AM ADVERTISEMENT FOR ANY PRODUCT OR SERVICE OR ANYTHING THAT IS
11:58:24AM NOT AVAILABLE OR SOLD ON THAT PARCEL.
11:58:26AM AND SO I JUST HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF EACH OF THESE.
11:58:32AM AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
11:58:34AM IF CCTC PLAY THE YOUTUBE VIDEO.
11:58:37AM THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
11:58:39AM YOU CAN SEE THIS SIGN DOES HAVE ILLUMINATION.
11:58:42AM IT CHANGES.
11:58:43AM IT HAS -- CHANGES THE APPEARANCE OF THE SIGN AUTOMATICALLY,
11:58:50AM THERE IS MOVEMENT IN THE SIGN.
11:58:51AM SO THIS IS -- THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
11:58:54AM NEXT WE HAVE BILLBOARD SIGNS.
11:59:04AM YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE IS ONE IN A PRETTY URBAN AREA NEAR
11:59:09AM HIGHWAY.
11:59:09AM THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT IS ACTUALLY -- AS YOU COME OFF THE
11:59:12AM RAMP OF SOUTHBOUND 275 AS YOU ARE COMING OFF OF THE DOWNTOWN
11:59:16AM EXITS, THIS ISD THIS IS A BILLBOARD AT THAT THE LOCATION.
11:59:25AM THIS APPEARS -- TO BE THE SIZE OF THE SETTLEMENT OF 672
11:59:31AM SQUARE FEET.
11:59:31AM THAT IS THE SIZE THAT IS ALLOWED FOR BILLBOARDS THAT ARE
11:59:35AM NEAR HIGHWAYS.
11:59:37AM AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE OFF-SITE SIGNS.
11:59:42AM TWO WITHIN DOWNTOWN TAMPA RIGHT NOW.
11:59:45AM THIS IS ACTUALLY CADDY CORNER TO CITY HALL.
11:59:48AM YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT IN YOUR COMINGS AND GOINGS FROM THIS
11:59:52AM VERY BUILDING.
11:59:53AM ONE TO THE RIGHT, ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING TWO SIGNS THAT
11:59:57AM ARE ACTUALLY OFFSITE.
12:00:00PM THEY ADVERTISE DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT THINGS.
12:00:02PM IT IS A LITTLE HARD TO SEE THE COPY, BUT THEY DO ADVERTISE
12:00:06PM THINGS THAT ARE NOT OFFERED FOR SALE AT THE POWELL WEALTH
12:00:09PM BUILDING.
12:00:09PM SO THE CITY HAS -- HAS KIND OF A PROBLEM WITH THESE TYPES OF
12:00:16PM SIGNS ALREADY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PROHIBITED IN THE CODE
12:00:18PM AND I WANTED COUNCIL TO BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SOME.
12:00:21PM AND THIS IS NOT ALL OF THEM THAT ARE IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA EVEN
12:00:24PM AS WE SIT HERE TODAY.
12:00:25PM AND THEN FINALLY, THE LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS WITH SIGNS IN
12:00:31PM GENERAL IS THAT ONCE WE -- WHATEVER TYPES OF SIGNS WE ALLOW,
12:00:38PM WE HAVE VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO LIMIT THE MESSAGE THAT IS ON
12:00:42PM THAT SIGN.
12:00:43PM OUR REGULATIONS HAVE TO BE CONTENT NEUTRAL, BECAUSE -- IF
12:00:47PM YOU HAVE CONTENT BASE LAWS, THOSE ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
12:00:50PM SO -- THE REGULATION IS CONTENT PACED IF A LAW APPLIES TO
12:00:56PM PARTICULAR SPEECH BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC DISCUSSED OR THE IDEA
12:00:59PM OR MESSAGE EXPRESSED.
12:01:01PM SO WE SAW A LOT OF DIFFERENT MESSAGES ON SOME OF THE
12:01:05PM EXAMPLES THAT ABBYE SHOWED YOU AND SOME THAT I JUST SHOWED
12:01:08PM YOU OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNAGE BUT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT
12:01:14PM ONCE THE SIGN SAGE IS ALLOWED.
12:01:16PM UNDER THAT FIRST BULLET OR AMENDMENT.
12:01:19PM UNDER NO POWER TO RESTRICT UNDER THE MESSAGES, IDEAS OR
12:01:23PM SUBJECT MATTER FOR CONTENTS.
12:01:25PM AND SO, WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A
12:01:29PM BACKDROP OF EXISTING THINGS.
12:01:32PM AND ABBY IS GOING TO DESCRIBE FOR YOU NOW JUST VARIOUS CODES
12:01:39PM AND OTHER PLANS WITHIN THE CITY THAT EXIST TODAY THAT ALSO
12:01:43PM -- THAT WE HAD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
12:01:45PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANKS, SUSAN.
12:01:49PM IN DRAFTING OUR APPROACH THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN THE NEXT
12:01:52PM SECTION, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT OUR CON SETTLEMENTS WERE
12:01:55PM IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR CURRENT CITY PLANS THAT ARE ON THE
12:01:59PM BOOKS TODAY.
12:02:00PM THIS INCLUDES THE COMP PLAN, THE SIGN CODE, THE CENTRAL
12:02:05PM BUSINESS DISTRICT CODE, THE VISION ZERO GOALS, AND ALSO, THE
12:02:10PM BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
12:02:13PM THAT SHAPED PART OF US BEING ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER AND
12:02:17PM APPROACH AND BRING THAT APPROACH TO YOU.
12:02:18PM JUST TO -- I WILL TOUCH ON THE SIGN CODE.
12:02:23PM IN THE SIGN CODE, 27-289 HAS A PURPOSE AND INTENT SECTION.
12:02:28PM AND THAT PURPOSE AND INTENT SHOWN HERE FOR YOU COUPLE OF
12:02:36PM THINGS I HIGHLIGHTED THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ SPEAKS OF THE
12:02:38PM REGULATIONS THAT ALLOW AND ENCOURAGE CREATIVE, EFFECTIVENESS
12:02:42PM AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN AND USE OF SUCH DEVICES
12:02:48PM PROMOTING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND AVOIDING AN ENVIRONMENT OF
12:02:53PM VISUAL BLIGHT.
12:02:54PM SAFETY OF MOTORISTS, CYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS OF THE PUBLIC
12:02:59PM STREETS AND HOW THEY ARE AFFECTED BY THE NUMBER, SIZE,
12:03:02PM LOCATION, LIGHTING AND MOVEMENT OF SIGNS THAT DIVERT THE
12:03:05PM ATTENTION OF DRIVERS.
12:03:06PM UNCONTROLLED AND UNLIMITED SIGNS MAY ALSO DEGRADE THE
12:03:10PM AESTHETIC ATTRACTIVENESS OF THE NATURAL AND MAN-MADE
12:03:14PM ATTRIBUTES OF THE COMMUNITY AND BE THERE, UNDERMINE THE
12:03:18PM ECONOMIC OF TOURISM, VISITATION AND PERMANENT ECONOMIC
12:03:22PM GROWTH.
12:03:22PM AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE -- IN DEVELOPING THE PURPOSE AND
12:03:27PM INTENT FOR THE APPROACH, WE TRIED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
12:03:29PM PURPOSE AND INTENT THAT IS ALREADY IN OTHER SECTIONS OUR
12:03:33PM CODE.
12:03:33PM THE SIGN CODE ALSO TALKS ABOUT VIEW CORRIDORS, AS DOES THE
12:03:38PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT CODE.
12:03:40PM THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE SIGN CODE THAT REFERS TO THE CBD.
12:03:44PM CBD, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT ON.
12:03:47PM BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE A LOT THAT COMES FROM THE CENTRAL
12:03:50PM BUSINESS DISTRICT BECAUSE PREDOMINANTLY A FORM-BASED CODE OF
12:03:53PM THE CITY.
12:03:54PM THERE IS A DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE
12:03:57PM APPLICATIONS GO THROUGH.
12:03:59PM AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES WITH GETTING THOSE APPROVED
12:04:02PM OR THEY PUT IN EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED OR IN
12:04:06PM CONCERT WITH THE CODE, THOSE THEN BECOME BEFORE YOU.
12:04:09PM BUT THE CDB ALSO HAS A PURPOSE WHEN IT GOES BECAUSE
12:04:15PM CONSIDERED A SPECIAL DISTRICT OF THE SIT AND CREATE A PUBLIC
12:04:19PM HIGH QUALITY THROUGH THE REGULATION OF THE PHYSICAL FORM OF
12:04:22PM BUILDINGS, STREETS AND OPEN SPACES, THE FORM AND MASS OF
12:04:25PM BUILDINGS IN RELATION TO ONE ANOTHER.
12:04:27PM AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIPS
12:04:30PM BETWEEN BUILDING FACADES AND THE PUBLIC REALM.
12:04:34PM LASTLY IN THE LAST EXCEPTION, IT GOES BACK AND CROSS
12:04:39PM REFERENCES SOME OF WHAT THE SIGN CODE SAY AND ALSO
12:04:41PM IDENTIFIES THAT IS TO PROVIDE REGULATIONS WITH I ALLOW AND
12:04:45PM ENCOURAGE CREATIVITY, EFFECTIVENESS AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE
12:04:49PM DESIGN AND USE OF LAND WHILE PROMOTING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND
12:04:52PM AVOIDING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT ENCOURAGES VISUAL BLIGHT.
12:04:58PM I WANTED TO TOUCH ON WHERE THE VIEW CORRIDORS ARE, BECAUSE I
12:05:02PM FEEL THAT IS REALLY RELEVANT IN THE APPROACH WE ARE
12:05:05PM PROVIDING FOR YOU AS WELL.
12:05:06PM THERE ARE TWO OF THEM.
12:05:07PM YOU WILL SEE ONE UP IN THE CURTIS HIXON SECTION.
12:05:10PM AND I DID -- OOPS.
12:05:12PM I HAVE A BLOW UP OF THAT.
12:05:15PM AND THEN THERE IS ONE THAT IS DOWN IN THE SOUTHERN SECTION
12:05:19PM NEAR COAT AND CHOBY PARKS THAT SHOWS -- THEY ARE THOSE RED
12:05:27PM DOTTED LINES.
12:05:27PM YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN BOTTOM OF THE MAP,
12:05:33PM INCLUDES THE CORRIDORS AND THE CYCLE TRACK AND THE SELMON
12:05:38PM TRAIL AND THEY ARE DEPICTED ON THE MAP TO SHOW WHERE YOU
12:05:41PM THOSE ARE.
12:05:41PM EVEN PROPOSING THE DISTRICTS SHOW YOU THE PURPOSE AND THE
12:05:48PM LOCATIONS AND THE POTENTIAL CONSIDERATIONS, THEY WILL NEED
12:05:51PM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD CORRIDORS AS
12:05:57PM ESTABLISHED BY THE PLAN.
12:05:58PM VISION ZERO.
12:05:59PM I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT.
12:06:01PM COUNCIL SPEAKS ABOUT THAT A LOT.
12:06:03PM WHAT IS "VISION ZERO?"
12:06:06PM I WANTED TO TOUCH BACK ON THAT.
12:06:08PM TALKS OF SHIFTING OUR THINKING UPSTREAM TO PREVENT PROBLEMS
12:06:15PM BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
12:06:15PM TALKS OF BEHAVIORS.
12:06:17PM AND TOP THREE BEHAVIORS IN ACCIDENTS AGGRESSIVE DRIVING,
12:06:21PM INTOXICATION AND DISTRACTED DRIVING.
12:06:23PM WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING TO LIMIT DISTRACTED
12:06:26PM DRIVING AND TO ENCOURAGE THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE ZERO
12:06:33PM PLAN.
12:06:33PM I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SUSAN TO TALK OF THE BILLBOARD
12:06:36PM SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND WE WILL GO INTO OUR APPROACH FOR
12:06:39PM YOU TODAY.
12:06:40PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: AGAIN, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
12:06:43PM DEPARTMENT.
12:06:44PM SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE BILLBOARD SETTLEMENT
12:06:48PM AGREEMENT.
12:06:48PM IT IS A FEW VARIOUS AGREEMENTS THAT DATES BACK TO 1986 OF
12:06:54PM WHICH THE CITY SOUGHT TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BILLBOARDS THAT
12:06:58PM KIND OF DOT THE LANDSCAPE OF THE CITY.
12:07:00PM SO IT WAS PRIMARILY WITH ONE PROVIDER, THE LARGEST BILLBOARD
12:07:04PM BUSINESS IN -- IN THE CITY AT THE TIME.
12:07:07PM AND IT IS CURRENTLY CLEARCHANNEL AND THOSE AGREEMENTS
12:07:13PM REQUIRE THE DOWNSIZING OF BILLBOARD AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE
12:07:23PM CITY.
12:07:24PM REQUIRES THE BILLBOARD COMPANY TO REMOVE BILLBOARD HAVE THE
12:07:29PM CORRIDORS.
12:07:30PM AND IN EXCHANGE, THE SIT ALLOWED THEM TO RELOCATE BILLBOARDS
12:07:35PM THEY WERE REQUIRED TO MOVE.
12:07:36PM AS A RESULT OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, 557 BILLBOARD HAVE BEEN
12:07:43PM REMOVED FROM THE CITY LANDSCAPE THROUGHOUT THE CITY
12:07:50PM OVER YEARS.
12:07:54PM AND UNDER THE CODE, THEY HAVE TO EXCHANGE TEN SIGNS IN ORDER
12:08:00PM TO RELOCATE AND CHANGE THOSE TO, FOR EXAMPLE, ELECTRONIC
12:08:08PM MESSAGE SIGNS AND.
12:08:10PM BETWEEN THE BILLBOARD AND THE EXISTING SIGN CODE.
12:08:13PM SETTLEMENT SAY THAT IS CITY MAY IMPLEMENT NEW LAND
12:08:21PM REGULATIONS AND I HAVE THAT HERE FOR YOU ON THIS NEXT SLIDE.
12:08:25PM A COUPLE OF KEY AREAS THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED.
12:08:29PM CITY CAN'T ENFORCE ANY NEW REGULATIONS IN A MANNER THAT
12:08:33PM CONFLICTS WITH OR I BELIEVE CONSISTENT WITH CLEARCHANNEL'S
12:08:39PM VESTED RIGHTS.
12:08:40PM IF THE CITY AMEND THEIR SIGN REGULATIONS FOR NEW TECHNOLOGY
12:08:43PM OR MATERIAL SUCH AS ACTIVATED SIGNS OR ANY WAY CHANGE THE
12:08:46PM EXISTING LIMITATIONS OBJECT SIGNS, THEN THE BILLBOARD
12:08:50PM COMPANY MAY ALSO USE SUCH TECHNOLOGY AND MATERIAL.
12:08:53PM THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE COULD -- I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE
12:08:59PM AWARE -- COULD OPEN THE DOOR FOR USE YOU HAVE THIS
12:09:01PM TECHNOLOGY BY -- BY THE BILLBOARD COMPANY THAT WE HAVE THIS
12:09:05PM AGREEMENT WITH TO -- TO APPLY THAT TECHNOLOGY SIGNS THAT ARE
12:09:09PM ALREADY PERMITTED SO NOT WITHSTANDING THE PROCESS WE ARE
12:09:15PM GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WOULD HAVE THESE NEW SIGNS WITHIN
12:09:21PM DOWNTOWN TO COME TO COUNCIL.
12:09:24PM THERE COULD BE APPLICATION OF TECHNOLOGY.
12:09:26PM SIGNS THAT ALREADY EXIST THAT WILL NOT COME TO COUNCIL THAT
12:09:30PM WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO COME TO COUNCIL.
12:09:32PM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THAT.
12:09:35PM AND THEN THE BILLBOARD COMPANY COULD PERMIT NEW SIGNS
12:09:38PM PURSUANT TO ANY CHANGE COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH AT THIS
12:09:41PM TIME.
12:09:42PM SOME WE HAVE TAKEN A FEW MINUTES TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE
12:09:49PM THINGS AGAIN, WE WANTED TO SET A BACKDROP OF WHICH ABBYE AND
12:09:54PM I LOOKED AT THESE PROPOSALS AND SET THE TABLE FOR WHY WE ARE
12:09:59PM BRINGING FORTH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IS WE ARE.
12:10:00PM THIS WOULD REPRESENT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGN
12:10:06PM POLICY FOR THE CITY WHICH HAS.
12:10:07PM AND THE PURPOSE AND INTENT IN THE CDB AND THE SIGN CODE
12:10:12PM WHICH HAVE FOR THE LAST FEW DECADES REALLY ACHIEVED IN LARGE
12:10:15PM PART THE GOAL OF NOT CREATING A VISUAL BLIGHT.
12:10:21PM AND WE WANT COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF THIS WHEN YOU CONSIDER
12:10:26PM WHAT ABBYE IS GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU.
12:10:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE LAST PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
12:10:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I --
12:10:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER SHE FINISHES, WE WILL GO TO YOU.
12:10:42PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
12:10:44PM IT IS HER MOTION AND THEN GO TO YOU.
12:10:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS FINE.
12:10:47PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ALL THOSE THINGS BEING SAID AND IN CONCERT
12:10:53PM WITH THAT, WE HAVE AN APPROACH, MUCH LIKE ERIC BROUGHT THE
12:10:58PM TEXT AMENDMENTS CONCEPTS FOR APPROACH.
12:11:00PM AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PRINT TO YOU TODAY.
12:11:03PM THE CREATION OF SPECIAL ASSIGNED DISTRICTS WITHIN CENTRAL
12:11:07PM BUSINESS DISTRICT.
12:11:08PM WE HAVE TWO OF THEM.
12:11:09PM APPROVAL PROCESS WHICH WE ARE SUGGESTING AS SPECIAL USE
12:11:12PM PROCESS THAT WILL COME TO THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL.
12:11:14PM AND THEN SOME OF THE SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS.
12:11:18PM SOME OF THIS WE ARE STILL WORKING ON.
12:11:22PM A LOT TO COVER AND ESPECIALLY IN THE ILLUMINATION STANDARDS,
12:11:25PM NEITHER SUSAN NOR I ARE SIGN SPECIALS IN THIS AREA AND WE
12:11:30PM ARE RESEARCHING THAT AND THAT IS KIND OF AN OPEN AREA.
12:11:33PM I THINK WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER WHEN WE GET THERE.
12:11:36PM WE ARE PROPOSING A PURPOSE AND INTENT TO FACILITATE THE
12:11:41PM CREATION OF UNIQUE AREAS FOR ARTS, CULTURE, SPORTS AND
12:11:46PM ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS MUCH IN THE APRIL ALIGNMENT
12:11:48PM AND BALTIMORE HAVING THAT PURPOSE AND INTENT.
12:11:51PM EXPANDING THE ECONOMIC -- THE CITY'S ECONOMIC BASE BY
12:11:55PM ATTRACTING TOURISM AND MAJOR EVENTS.
12:11:57PM ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENTS IN PUBLIC SPACES.
12:12:00PM I THINK WHEN THIS CONCEPT WAS BROUGHT UP DISCUSSIONS ON
12:12:05PM PLACEMAKING WIND ALLOW FOR PLACEMAKING AND WE KEPT WITH THAT
12:12:10PM THEME IN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
12:12:11PM ALLOW CREATIVE, FLEXIBLE SIGNAGE WHILE AVOIDING VISUAL
12:12:16PM BLIGHT AND IN CON TICKET OTHER BUILT GATING ADVERSE IMPACTS.
12:12:21PM LARGE SIGNS.
12:12:22PM ON SURROUNDING USES.
12:12:24PM WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF DISTANCE
12:12:27PM ACCEPT RATION FROM OTHER USES.
12:12:28PM RESIDENTIAL DISTANCE SEPARATIONS FROM SIGNS FROM EACH OTHER.
12:12:32PM SO THE TWO DISTRICTS ARE A MUSEUM AND ARTS DISTRICT AND A
12:12:37PM CONVENTION AND CULTURAL DISTRICT.
12:12:39PM AND WE HAVE PROPOSED A MAP THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
12:12:43PM AND THE MUSEUM AND ARTS DISTRICT WILL RUN FROM THE STRAZ ALL
12:12:48PM THE WAY DOWN TO KYLIE GARDENS.
12:12:51PM AND MEN IN THE CONVENTION AND CULTURAL DISTRICT FROM THE
12:12:56PM CONVENTION CENTER ALL THE WAY TO THE AQUARIUM.
12:12:58PM AND A LITTLE OVER 110 ACRES IN THE DOWNTOWN.
12:13:04PM MUCH LIKE THOSE OTHER PLANS THAT WENT BLOCK BY BLOCK,
12:13:10PM BUILDING BY BUILDING.
12:13:11PM WE DIDN'T HAVE CAPACITY TO DO THAT IN THIS TIME.
12:13:14PM WE WANT TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL ON THAT.
12:13:16PM BUT IN TERMS OF PLACEMAKING AND A PURPOSE AND LOOKING THAT
12:13:20PM THE AS A WAY TO CREATE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES, THERE ARE WAS
12:13:24PM STAFF'S SUGGESTION IN THIS AREA.
12:13:25PM THE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU, YOU ARE
12:13:31PM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SPECIAL BE USE 2 PROCESS.
12:13:34PM IT COMES KIND OF LIKE A PD.
12:13:37PM SITE PLAN CONTROLLED AND HAVE A SITE PLAN WHERE ON THE
12:13:40PM BUILDING IT WOULD BE GOING AND WILL HAVE ELEVATIONS MUCH
12:13:42PM LIKE I SHOWED YOU IN THE BALTIMORE PLAN TO SHOW YOU WHAT
12:13:45PM THAT SIGN WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN IT IS INSTALLED.
12:13:48PM THEY WOULD HAVE A COMPLIANCE STATEMENT.
12:13:51PM ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE
12:13:55PM DISTRICT.
12:13:55PM WILL GO TO A STAFF REVIEW, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO SUGGESTING
12:13:59PM THAT IT WILL GO TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP FOR A NONBINDING
12:14:01PM RECOMMENDATION.
12:14:02PM IT WOULD HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE 50 JUST LIKE THE OTHER
12:14:09PM APPLICATION SO AS THAT NEIGHBOR AND OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY
12:14:12PM OWNERS WOULD HAVE NOTIFICATION THIS IS HAPPENING AND THEY
12:14:16PM CAN COME DOWN AND SPEAK TO THAT AND HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS
12:14:19PM JUST LIKE THE OTHER.
12:14:20PM SIGNAGE SPECIFICATIONS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE SIGN CODE
12:14:26PM AND THE CDB CODE, WE ARE PROPOSING THESE.
12:14:29PM THESE WILL BECOME THOSE SECTION 27-132 CRITERIA.
12:14:33PM MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE THEM FOR A DRIVE-THRU WINDOW.
12:14:37PM LARGE DIGITAL FORMAT SIGNS AND HAVE THESE LARGE SETS OF
12:14:43PM DRIVE TERESA.
12:14:44PM OTHER ACTIONS, COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO WAIVE THESE CRITERIA
12:14:48PM IF THANK IS WHAT THEY FELT WAS APPROPRIATE AND THE PUMPKIN
12:14:52PM AND INTENT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE BILLBOARD AGREEMENT WE ARE
12:14:59PM SUGGESTING NO FREE-STANDING SIGNS.
12:15:01PM WALL SIGNS ONLY.
12:15:02PM MUCH OF WHAT WE SHOW YOU THIS MORNING ARE WALL SIGNS.
12:15:05PM WALL SIGNS AND BUILDING SIGNS ONLY.
12:15:08PM WE ARE SUGGESTING THERE IS PER DISTRICT.
12:15:11PM THE SURFACE AREA -- I WILL SHOW YOU SOME VISUALS ON THAT.
12:15:16PM SURFACE AREA BILLBOARD, 672 COMING IN FROM DOWNTOWN IF THE
12:15:22PM RAYS PLAYER -- WE ARE SUGGESTING A STARTING POINT OF 650
12:15:26PM SQUARE FEET.
12:15:26PM AND, AGAIN, I WILL JUST MENTION IF YOU COME INTO COUNCIL FOR
12:15:30PM THEIR APPROVAL.
12:15:30PM AND THEY WANT TO ASK YOU FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THEY WOULD NEED
12:15:33PM TO SHOW YOU MUCH LIKE WAIVER FROM THE JUSTIFICATION FOR
12:15:37PM INCREASING THAT SIGN SPIES SHOULD BE.
12:15:39PM AND THIS WILL BE OPEN TO YOUR APPROVAL.
12:15:41PM SO HERE IS A BANNER RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR DOOR.
12:15:45PM WHEN -- I KNOW A LOT OF TIME WHEN WE TALKING ABOUT FOOTAGE
12:15:51PM AND WE TALK ABOUT -- NO REFERENCE OR POINT OF CONTACT.
12:15:54PM WHAT DO YOU MEAN 1,000 SQUARE FEET.
12:15:56PM THIS ONE OUT THERE I BELIEVE WAS YESTERDAY.
12:15:59PM THIS IS A 13 X 20.
12:16:02PM SO WE ROUGHLY SAY TEN FOOT A STORY.
12:16:09PM THIS IS 260 SQUARE FEET.
12:16:11PM TWO STORIES HIGH.
12:16:13PM IN IS DOUBLE THAT AT 1,000 SQUARE FEET.
12:16:15PM 26 X 40.
12:16:17PM AND THEN TRIPLING THAT.
12:16:19PM YOU ALL KNOW, IT LEAVES EIGHT STORIES.
12:16:24PM WHEN YOU LIFT THIS UP OFF OF THE GROUND AND PROVIDE, YOU ARE
12:16:27PM ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF THE FULL BUILDING.
12:16:29PM THIS IS 2340 SQUARE FEET.
12:16:34PM SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING STARTING AT THAT 650 WHICH IS IN
12:16:38PM BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
12:16:39PM AND I THINK IT JUST GIVES YOU AT FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR THE
12:16:44PM CONTEXT OF THE SIZE AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS GROWN.
12:16:48PM PLACEMENT AND ILLUMINATION STANDARDS.
12:16:52PM AS I MENTIONED, SOME DIFFERENT CODES WE LOOKED AT.
12:16:56PM MIAMI-DADE HAS A BLANK WALL CONCEPT WHERE IT HAS TO GO ON A
12:17:02PM BLANK WALL.
12:17:02PM IT IS ACTUALLY MORE COMPLEMENTARY IN PROVIDING SOMETHING
12:17:08PM THAT IS BETTER WITHIN THAT WAS THERE.
12:17:10PM WE HAVE OF THIS DOWN RIGHT NOW AS SUBJECT TO APPLICATION AND
12:17:13PM TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
12:17:14PM SO IT IS COMING AS SPECIAL USE.
12:17:17PM THEY CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT IT.
12:17:19PM ON THAT BUILDING FACADE.
12:17:21PM AND THIS WILL BE UP TO YOU.
12:17:22PM OR IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR CONCEPTS ON THIS, WE CAN PUNT
12:17:27PM THAT IN AS CRITERIA AS WELL.
12:17:29PM SO WAS MORE.
12:17:31PM -- WE ARE NOT REAL LEGAL -- WE GOT TO THE THIS POINT AND WE
12:17:36PM ARE LIKE, WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE WITHOUT GOING BLOCK BY
12:17:38PM BLOCK LIKE DENVER OR BALTIMORE DID OR IDENTIFYING TEN
12:17:42PM LOCATIONS LIKE THEY DID TO SAY HERE IS WHERE WE FIND IT MOST
12:17:46PM APPROPRIATE, THIS WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION NOW, BUT WE
12:17:49PM ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON THAT.
12:17:50PM AND THEN THE ILLUMINATION STANDARDS, I THINK I TALKED ABOUT
12:17:53PM THAT A LITTLE BIT SOME CITIES USE LUMENS, OTHER KNITS.
12:17:59PM ALL DIFFERENT INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
12:18:03PM THEY NEED TO BE AUTOMATIC DIMMING BASED ON THE AMBIENT
12:18:07PM LIGHT.
12:18:07PM ALSO, THERE COULD BE DARK FROM MIDNIGHT IT-TO-7 A.M. AND
12:18:12PM SOME OTHER SPECIFICATIONS THAT GO INTO IT.
12:18:16PM WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL AS TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS.
12:18:19PM WHAT SHOULD GO INTO THIS SECTION.
12:18:21PM DISTANCE SEPARATION.
12:18:24PM SOME CODES ALLOW ONE PER BLOCK.
12:18:26PM SOME HAVE A TOTAL AMOUNT.
12:18:29PM AND THEN THERE IS DISTANCE SEPARATION.
12:18:32PM AND THINKING ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF LET'S SAY THE STRAZ AND
12:18:37PM THE POE GARAGE AND AER AND THAT AREA THERE, OUR CITY BLOCKS
12:18:42PM 2107 X 10.
12:18:45PM ONE PER BLOCK 200-FOOT SEPARATION.
12:18:51PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED ANY SEPARATION AT ALL.
12:18:53PM I NEED THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU WILL TODAY AND ALSO FROM
12:18:56PM RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
12:18:57PM SOMEBODY ALSO ASKED ME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ABOUT DISTANCE
12:19:01PM SEPARATION ALL OF THE RIVERWALK.
12:19:04PM THAT IS A NATURAL AREA.
12:19:05PM AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK ON
12:19:09PM THAT.
12:19:09PM AND WE ARE HAPPY TO INCORPORATE OF THAT AS WELL.
12:19:11PM SO LASTLY, MAY NANCE AGREEMENT.
12:19:13PM SO WE HAVE READ ABOUT SOME CHALLENGES THAT CITIES ARE
12:19:17PM FACING.
12:19:17PM THESE WERE FABOLOUS WHEN THEY WENT UP, BUT THEY HAVEN'T
12:19:22PM REMAINED FABULOUS OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
12:19:24PM AND I WOULD ASK THAT OUR CRITERIA INCLUDE SOMETHING RELATED
12:19:28PM TO -- IF A SIGN MALFUNCTIONS IT WILL HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF
12:19:34PM AND SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BE THERE ON WITHOUT OPERATING.
12:19:38PM AND ALSO, WE ARE -- THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT THAT
12:19:43PM THE SIGN NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED IN AN OPERATING STATE OF
12:19:47PM ONGOING OPERATION OF SOME SORT.
12:19:49PM THAT IS OUR APPROACH FOR YOU THIS MORNING.
12:19:53PM AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY DISCUSSION.
12:19:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
12:19:56PM THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:19:58PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
12:20:00PM GOOD MORNING, GOOD AFTERNOON -- WHAT IS IT?
12:20:04PM AFTERNOON?
12:20:06PM OKAY, GOSH.
12:20:06PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
12:20:08PM I WILL START THERE.
12:20:10PM AND THERE IS JUST SO MANY LAYERS PRESENTED TO US IT TODAY.
12:20:14PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POP IN MY MIND AS WE GO BACK TO ME
12:20:18PM MAKING THE MOTION BACK IN OCTOBER TO THE PRESENTATION TODAY
12:20:22PM IS THAT FOR ME, WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED IS AS CLOSE TO THE
12:20:29PM STAFF MEMO THAT INDICATED THAT STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT
12:20:34PM DIGITAL SIZE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
12:20:38PM THIS IS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF WHAT I WAS
12:20:43PM EXPECTING.
12:20:44PM YOU OUTLINED TWO DISTRICTS I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT.
12:20:48PM THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
12:20:52PM DISTRICT.
12:20:53PM IN TOTALITY, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE CENTRAL
12:20:56PM BUSINESS DISTRICT, WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT.
12:20:58PM IT JUST -- IT JUST TAKES AWAY OPPORTUNITIES WANT VIABLE AREA
12:21:05PM OUTSIDE OF THE -- OUTLINING BOUNDARIES THAT YOU -- THAT YOU
12:21:09PM IDENTIFIED FOR JUST SIX SIGNS.
12:21:12PM AND?
12:21:13PM I AM SAYING TO MYSELF, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TWO ON
12:21:18PM THE AMALIE ARENA THAT WAS APPROVED VERY EASILY WITH A DESIGN
12:21:22PM EXCEPTION?
12:21:23PM ALSO PUTTING THE RESPONSIBILITY BOOK IN COUNCIL'S HANDS TO
12:21:27PM VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
12:21:28PM IN MY NEOPHYTE TIME ON THIS COUNCIL IS WILL TAKE
12:21:37PM TOO MUCH TIME WRITING CODE A.M. ALSO KNOW WHAT THEY DO IN
12:21:45PM THE PROCESS OF WANTING APPROVAL.
12:21:48PM YOU DID THIS ONE.
12:21:49PM YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THIS ONE GETS IN A HAPHAZARD SITUATION
12:21:56PM THAT COULD MAKE IT A LEGAL ISSUE FOR US.
12:21:58PM GOOD CODE CAN ELIMINATE THAT.
12:22:00PM ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I AM THINKING.
12:22:01PM THE -- -- THE ONE THING THAT ALSO I HAVE TO HAVE G BACK TO
12:22:09PM WENT YOU DESCRIBE ACTIVATED SIGNS.
12:22:12PM WILL THE AMALIE ARENA BE CONSIDERED AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
12:22:17PM A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
12:22:20PM IT IS ACTIVATED.
12:22:21PM I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STARE AT IT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME
12:22:24PM AS THE MAYOR AND I DROVE TO THE BREAKFAST LAST WEEK.
12:22:28PM IT IS ACTIVATED.
12:22:30PM SAYING WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE CODE FOR THAT, MAY BE TRUE,
12:22:33PM BUT WITH DESIGN EXCEPTION, WE HAVE ACTIVATION.
12:22:35PM IT IS CLEARLY THERE.
12:22:38PM YOU CAN SEE IT.
12:22:39PM A HUGE SIGN.
12:22:40PM ALMOST LIKE THE HAVE THE AND HAVE THE NOTES.
12:22:42PM I WISH DARLENE WAS IN HERE TO PUT THIS DOWN ON THE OVERHEAD.
12:22:47PM BUT ALSO THE DIGITAL -- THAT IS MY COPE AND THEN -- OKAY,
12:22:51PM THAT IS FINE.
12:22:52PM SO THIS IS THE -- WHAT MAKES THIS REAL LEGAL INTERESTING TO
12:22:59PM ME.
12:23:02PM THIS IS A DESIGN EXCEPTION THAT DID NOT COME BEFORE US.
12:23:05PM AND I THINK THAT IS SO VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS THE
12:23:13PM -- I WILL WAIT FOR A MINUTE.
12:23:14PM THAT IS OKAY, DARLENE.
12:23:16PM OUR ATTORNEY MR. SHELBY GOT IT FOR ME.
12:23:19PM THANK YOU.
12:23:20PM IS IT COMING UP?
12:23:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE CONVERTING IT TO THE OVERHEAD.
12:23:28PM THERE IT IS.
12:23:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON THE MAIN FEED.
12:23:34PM IS IT ON THE MAIN FEED?
12:23:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE SWITCHING IT -- THERE IT IS.
12:23:38PM THEY WILL BRING IT UP TO THE TOP.
12:23:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
12:23:43PM NOW WE DO.
12:23:44PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET ME BE PATIENT.
12:23:46PM OKAY.
12:23:46PM THIS IS THE DIGITAL ACTIVATED SIGN AT -- CURRENTLY AT
12:23:52PM THE AMALIE ARENA APPROVED WITH A SIGN EXCEPTION.
12:23:55PM EXTREMELY LARGE.
12:23:57PM CAN YOU READ THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SIDE FOR ME HOW BIG
12:24:00PM THIS IS.
12:24:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS ARE 99 FEET BIDE
12:24:05PM WIDE BY 39 FEET.
12:24:07PM 3860 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
12:24:10PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU WANT TO ELEMENTARY 672 SQUARE FEET?
12:24:15PM THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES.
12:24:17PM AND WE DEFINITELY NEED FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING ON THE
12:24:20PM BUILDING.
12:24:20PM YOU KNOW, AND THE LOCATION.
12:24:22PM AND THAT COULD CAN BE -- YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE WRITTEN IN
12:24:26PM -- IN CODE.
12:24:27PM HOW WE DO THAT.
12:24:28PM BUT THAT MEMBERS IF WE STICK TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO
12:24:32PM US TODAY AS A STARTING POINT OF 672 SQUARE FEET.
12:24:36PM THEN BIG DADDY HERE THE AMALIE ARENA GETS TO OUTWEIGH
12:24:43PM EVERYBODY ELSE.
12:24:43PM AND THIS WAS DONE WITHIN A DESIGN EXCEPTION, AGAIN, THAT DID
12:24:46PM NOT COME TO COUNCIL.
12:24:47PM AND IT WAS DONE IN A MANNER IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY
12:24:51PM PROVIDED THEIR -- THIS IS -- THIS IS DONE 2023 -- DECEMBER
12:25:00PM 2023.
12:25:01PM APPROVAL WAS IN LET ARE FORMAT FROM THE GROWTH AND
12:25:06PM DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT OFFICE INDICATING THE APPROVAL
12:25:11PM FOR THE -- FOR THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:25:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU HAVE APICTURE OF THE SECOND ONE, THE
12:25:18PM SECOND SIGN?
12:25:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE SECOND SIGN THEY PUT UP RECENTLY WITH
12:25:22PM THE AMALIE.
12:25:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
12:25:26PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
12:25:27PM HARD FOR ME TO SAY THERE ARE ONE IT?
12:25:30PM I DON'T KNOW FEBRUARY THAT IS IT BECAUSE THEY PUT IT UP NOT
12:25:33PM TOO LONG AGO.
12:25:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE LETTER FROM ERIC COTTON.
12:25:38PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LETTER FROM ERIC COTTON AND THE
12:25:40PM ALTERNATIVE -- I GUESS I AM A TEACHER.
12:25:42PM I USE VISUALS.
12:25:44PM YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THE STICK TO MY -- I DON'T WANT TO LOSE
12:25:48PM MY THOUGHTS HERE.
12:25:48PM LET ME GO BACK TO MY PAPER.
12:25:50PM SO THE -- YES, SO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS NECESSARILY ON
12:26:02PM THE OTHER SIDE, THAT WAS THE LETTER, THE DECEMBER LETTER --
12:26:06PM THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE AMALIE ARENA WAS BASED ON THE
12:26:11PM MASTER PANEL WILL.
12:26:12PM THE AMALIE CREATED THEIR OWNER SIGNAGE MASTER PLAN.
12:26:17PM READ THROUGH IT.
12:26:18PM WHAT I WILL -- MORE TIME PLEASE -- I MEAN, ALMOST -- WHEN I
12:26:23PM READ THROUGH IT.
12:26:23PM HONESTLY THEY GOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR IN EVERY SINGLE WAY.
12:26:28PM AND JUSTIFY IT -- JUSTIFIED IT WITH NOT ONLY THE OTHER
12:26:34PM THINGS THAT WILL MAKE IT GREAT.
12:26:35PM THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF IT.
12:26:37PM AND HOW -- YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO BE ATTRACTIVE AND
12:26:41PM APPEALING TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT GET TO SEE IT,
12:26:46PM BUT ELIMINATES IN THIS INSTANCE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO
12:26:49PM -- AT THAT CAPACITY.
12:26:51PM I AM NOT SAYING THAT EVERY SINGLE SIGN NEEDS TO BE THAT BIG.
12:26:54PM BUT FOR US TO DROP DOWN TO 672 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS NOT
12:26:59PM NECESSARILY CONSIDERED BEST PRACTICES OR STANDARDS ISD EVEN
12:27:03PM IN THE PICTURES THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY WAS MUCH
12:27:08PM BIGGER IN THAT SENSE.
12:27:15PM SIGNS WITHIN THE SMALL DESIGN AREA THAT -- THAT HAS BEEN
12:27:19PM PRESENTED TO US TODAY, THAT MEMBERS THAT -- THAT MEANS THAT
12:27:25PM -- THAT DISTRICT WHERE THE AMALIE IS ALREADY HAS TWO SIGNS.
12:27:29PM THAT MEANS THERE IS ONLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOUR SIGNS.
12:27:33PM AND THE ARTS DISTRICT AND THREE IN THE -- YOU KNOW, IN THE
12:27:37PM CONVENTION CENTER AREA DISTRICT.
12:27:39PM AND ALSO TWO THERE.
12:27:40PM SOME THINK IS VERY CONFUSING IN TERMS OF THAT.
12:27:44PM SO FOR ME, I GUESS WHAT I WILL SAY IS I WANT -- I WROTE THIS
12:27:50PM DOWN.
12:27:50PM WANT THE STAFF TO FACILITATE, NOT REGULATE.
12:27:55PM THAT IS WHAT I WANT.
12:27:56PM I WANT FOR IT TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
12:28:02PM DISTRICT AND ALSO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE INCLUSION
12:28:06PM OF THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
12:28:07PM THAT ELIMINATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT SITUATIONS THAT WE COULD
12:28:11PM FALL INTO IF WE HAVE THEM AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS TO
12:28:17PM ADHERE TO THIS CRITERIA.
12:28:19PM SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT -- THAT ALSO COME TO MIND OUTSIDE
12:28:26PM OF THE 650 SQUARE FEET, 672 OR WHATEVER WAS SAID ABOUT
12:28:34PM SAFETY.
12:28:34PM I DID SOME OF MY OWN RESEARCH ABOUT SAFETY.
12:28:37PM AND DIGITAL SIGNS, ACCORDING TO A COUPLE OF STUDIES, WHAT IS
12:28:43PM DISTRACTING FOR PEOPLE IS NOT THE DIGITAL SIGNS.
12:28:48PM IS THEM BEING ON THE PHONE.
12:28:50PM THEM DAYDREAMING AND NOT NECESSARILY A SIGN AS A DISTRACTION
12:28:54PM THAT CAUSE AS SAFETY HAZARD.
12:28:56PM I FEEL THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TODAY AS ALSO ONE OF THOSE
12:29:01PM INDICATORS THIS IS UP WITH OF THE REASONS WE DON'T WANT
12:29:04PM YOU TO DO THIS.
12:29:04PM THE LEGAL PARAMETERS REGARDING THE BILLBOARD -- THE LEGAL
12:29:11PM ISSUE WITH CLEARCHANNEL IS.
12:29:18PM NO REAL BASIS FOR IT IN TERMS OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
12:29:24PM DISTRICT.
12:29:25PM I DON'T SEE THAT -- SAY IT AGAIN?
12:29:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:29:28PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE IS CLEARLY LIKE NOTHING WITHIN THAT
12:29:33PM AGREEMENT THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD IMPACT WHAT WE ARE TRYING
12:29:37PM TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
12:29:38PM ESPECIALLY IN PROPOSING TWO DISTRICTS THAT ELIMINATE
12:29:45PM OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS.
12:29:46PM AND WE HAVE -- WHAT IS INTERESTING TOO, WE HAVE -- IN MY
12:29:53PM EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WORKING UP HERE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT
12:29:57PM OF SUPPORT FOR WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
12:29:59PM I UNDERSTAND A CHANGE IN THE LAND SCAPE OF OUR DOWNTOWN
12:30:02PM AREA.
12:30:02PM BUT NOT INCLUDING THE -- NOT INCLUDING THE -- THE TAMPA
12:30:09PM DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS THE OVERSEERS OF THE APPLICATION
12:30:14PM PROCESS PUTS THE ONUS BACK ON US.
12:30:16PM NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
12:30:18PM THAT APPLICATION PROCESS BY ONE OF OUR VERY VIABLE -- VIABLE
12:30:22PM COLLABORATORS IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE DOWNTOWN
12:30:25PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
12:30:26PM NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM.
12:30:27PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
12:30:28PM WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.
12:30:30PM WE DON'T HAVE -- OUR -- OUR PART IS TO WRITE GOOD CODE.
12:30:34PM AND THEY DO THE APPLICATION PROCESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH
12:30:38PM WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY PUT OUT THERE.
12:30:40PM THEY ARE NOT MAKING UP THEIR RULES.
12:30:42PM THEY ARE NOT -- IT IS NOT UP TO THEM.
12:30:45PM THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE CODE THAT WE WRITE AND HAS TO BE GOOD
12:30:49PM CODE.
12:30:49PM WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY IS JUST ANOTHER DESIGN
12:30:52PM EXCEPTION.
12:30:53PM WHERE -- WHERE YOU WANT US TO APPROVE IT, CASE BY CASE, AND
12:30:57PM THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY.
12:30:58PM AND IT PUTS US IN -- A MORE VOLATILE SITUATION FROM A LEGAL
12:31:03PM STANDPOINT IN MY OPINION.
12:31:04PM I WILL LEAVE THAT PART THERE.
12:31:05PM FOR LEGAL CONSIDERATION.
12:31:09PM LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE.
12:31:10PM I THINK -- I GUESS I CAN CIRCLE -- YOU CAN CIRCLE BACK TO
12:31:15PM ME.
12:31:15PM VISION ZERO.
12:31:16PM THE -- I HAVE BEEN STUDYING VISION ZERO FOR AT THAT WHILE
12:31:25PM BECAUSE OF THE RIVERWALK AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
12:31:27PM AND SO, YOU KNOW THERE ARE THIS INSTANCE, THE -- THE CAR
12:31:33PM DRIVING ASPECT OF -- OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT MAKES A SIGN
12:31:37PM APPEALING AND HOW LONG PEOPLE LOOK AT IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE
12:31:40PM THAT.
12:31:40PM THERE IS -- WE HAVEN'T -- WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION
12:31:43PM THAT CAN JUSTIFY THAT IT IS UNSAFE WHEN THE STUDIES BY
12:31:51PM THE FHMA AND SAIC -- I LOST IT ON MY PHONE -- IT SAYS THAT
12:31:58PM DIGITAL SIGNS ARE NOT A DISTRACTION THAT DESTROY SAFETY.
12:32:02PM EVEN SIGNS YOU PUT UP AS BALTIMORE AS AN EXAMPLE ARE LARGER
12:32:05PM THAN WHAT YOU ARE -- FOR OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
12:32:09PM SO THE PLACEMENT ISSUE IS AN ISSUE FOR ME IN TERMS OF, YOU
12:32:17PM KNOW, ONLY LEAVING ON THE OUTSIDE CORRIDORS.
12:32:21PM SIX SIGNS ARE TOO RESTRICTIVE.
12:32:23PM DOESN'T GIVE A COMPETITIVE EDGE FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE
12:32:26PM INTERESTED -- I AM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO OWN BUILDINGS
12:32:30PM WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AS WELL AS THOSE WHO
12:32:33PM WILL SUBMIT PROPOSALS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BUSINESS.
12:32:36PM THERE IS NOT JUST ONE PERSON THAT MAKES SIGNS.
12:32:42PM NOT A MONOPOLY A LOT OF COMPETITIONS OUT THERE.
12:32:50PM AND -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS LOOSELY.
12:32:53PM I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH,
12:32:57PM BUT FOR ME, AS THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE THAT SUPPORTS
12:33:02PM DOWNTOWN AND BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE PROGRESSIVE.
12:33:05PM I FEEL AS THOUGH THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
12:33:09PM ENGAGE IN DIGITAL ILLUMINATION AND WE CAN DO IT IN A VERY
12:33:13PM THOUGHTFUL MANNER WHERE -- IF BALTIMORE HAD 11.
12:33:17PM AND ATLANTA HAS 25 SIGNS.
12:33:20PM SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AVERAGE OF 18 SIGNS IS A
12:33:23PM GOOD NUMBER FOR ME.
12:33:24PM BUT THAT IS ALSO BASED ON, YOU KNOW -- THAT ALLOWS US TO
12:33:29PM OPEN IT UP TO OTHER SPACES.
12:33:30PM SO I WILL JUST LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW BECAUSE I DO WANT TO
12:33:33PM HEAR -- THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL TIME -- THAT IS WHY I LIKE -- WE
12:33:36PM GET TO HEAR FROM EACH OTHER JUST TO SEE WHERE THE SUPPORT IS
12:33:39PM REGARD THIS.
12:33:41PM WHATEVER -- WHATEVER HESITATIONS THE STAFF HAS, I FEEL LIKE
12:33:45PM -- I FEEL LIKE WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WAS PRESENTED IN A
12:33:49PM MANNER THAT -- THAT DATES BACK TO THE NOVEMBER MEMO TO US
12:33:56PM SAYING THAT STAFF DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.
12:33:59PM AND THAT IS PACED ON ALL OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND ALL OF THE
12:34:02PM THINGS THAT YOU IT PRESENTED TODAY THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF
12:34:08PM OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, YES.
12:34:09PM SO I WANT IT TO BE MORE FACILITATED.
12:34:12PM AND, ALSO, I THINK THE LAST THING -- I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS.
12:34:16PM I WROTE THIS NOTE SOMEWHERE.
12:34:18PM THAT THE NEXT STEMS.
12:34:19PM WHAT IS GOOD IS THAT WE CAN GO ON RECORD TODAY AND HAVE THE
12:34:25PM SAME TIMELINE THAT GOES WITH THE OTHER TEXT APPLICATION THAT
12:34:28PM WE ARE DOING.
12:34:28PM I DON'T -- I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG THIS PROCESS AND TURN IT
12:34:38PM INTO A BACK AND FORTH BATTLE.
12:34:40PM WE CAN STAY IN LINE WITH THE STEMS PRESENTED IN TERMS OF
12:34:44PM NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF THE OTHER -- THE OTHER PROPOSAL THAT
12:34:48PM WAS PRESENTED TODAY.
12:34:49PM I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT, BUT Y'ALL GET IT.
12:34:52PM THANK YOU, CHAIR.
12:34:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:34:54PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:34:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
12:34:56PM IF I TAKE THAT MUCH TIME, I WOULD BE DEAD.
12:34:59PM I AM ONLY JOKING.
12:35:00PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MADE THE MOTION AND SO MUCH PRESENTED
12:35:02PM TODAY.
12:35:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY A.J. FOYT.
12:35:05PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: STOP.
12:35:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BUT ANYWAY.
12:35:09PM I CAN VOTE ON ALL OF THIS, BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IN
12:35:13PM 1974, NOTHING DOWNTOWN.
12:35:14PM THERE WAS, 600 PRISONERS LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.
12:35:20PM THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
12:35:22PM SURE THEY CHANGED.
12:35:23PM LEAVE HERE LEFT HAND TURN AND NEVER HIT A CAR OR LOOK WHERE
12:35:26PM YOU ARE GOING BECAUSE THERE WERE NO CARS.
12:35:28PM THERE WAS NOTHING DOWNTOWN.
12:35:29PM BILL POE STARTED THE REVITALIZATION OF DOWNTOWN WHEN BUILT
12:35:34PM THE BUILDING NEXT TO US AND GOT THE PERMISSIONS FROM THE TWO
12:35:38PM BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET WHERE ONE OF THEM HAS GOT THE --
12:35:42PM WHERE GUIDO GOES -- UNIVERSITY -- WHAT IS IT CALLED.
12:35:46PM UNIVERSITY CLUB.
12:35:47PM VERY NICE PLACE BUT WHAT I AM SAYING -- DON'T GET ME WRONG,
12:35:53PM WE ARE TAKING A BIG RISK.
12:35:55PM THAT SIGN CODE THAT WAS SIGNED IN 19 -- WHAT WAS IT '96?
12:36:00PM ONE LINE THERE THAT THEY MAY BE ENTITLED TO GET WHAT
12:36:04PM SOMEBODY ELSE GOT IF IT WOULD CHANGE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.
12:36:07PM THAT ALL I'M SAYING NOW.
12:36:09PM THE -- THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA CREATED ITSELF.
12:36:12PM AND I ALWAYS GAVE CREDIT TO THE STRAZ FOR BEING -- THAT
12:36:15PM WAS HERE WITH IT WHERE NOTHING IS COMING DOWN.
12:36:17PM THEY WILL ABLE TO WEATHER THE STORM.
12:36:20PM AND SURVIVE.
12:36:20PM AND MAKE TAMPA WHAT IT IS IN A WAY.
12:36:24PM DOWNTOWN ARE DIFFERENT ANYWAY YOU GO.
12:36:28PM THIS DOWNTOWN WAS DEAD.
12:36:31PM D-E-A-D.
12:36:33PM DEAD.
12:36:33PM NOTHING HERE.
12:36:34PM THROUGH BUILDING BLOCKS LITTLE BY LITTLE UNDER DIFFERENT
12:36:37PM MAYORS, THEY ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHEN THEY
12:36:42PM GOT HERE.
12:36:42PM STARTED A DOWNTOWN -- ANY CITY NOT A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN OF
12:36:48PM OVER 50,000 IS DYING OR DEAD.
12:36:50PM AND THAT'S WHERE WE WERE.
12:36:52PM THIS WAS THE EMPHASIS FOR THINGS THAT DEVELOP FOR
12:36:56PM NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET BETTER AS FAR AS NEW HOUSING AND THINGS
12:36:59PM THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
12:37:01PM IT STARTED WITH A DEW POINT THAT WAS RUN DOWN THAT NOBODY
12:37:04PM WANTED TO COME HERE.
12:37:05PM USED TO HAVE UNO, ONE LEFT.
12:37:08PM CALLED THE TAMPA THEATRE.
12:37:10PM THERE WAS NOTHING HERE BUT THINGS AT NIGHT BECAUSE THERE WAS
12:37:18PM NO ONE LIVING HERE AND NO ONE MOVING AROUND.
12:37:21PM ONE TIME, IT WAS VERY VIBRANT.
12:37:24PM YOU HAD A GROCERY STORE.
12:37:25PM FIRESTONE ACROSS THE STREET.
12:37:27PM MANY THINGS GOING ON.
12:37:28PM ALL THAT DIED BECAUSE PEOPLE MOVED OUT.
12:37:31PM SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS THING, IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT
12:37:36PM HAPPENED.
12:37:36PM IT IS ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED.
12:37:38PM ONE DAY AT A TIME FOR MANY YEARS, ALL THE WAY FROM WHEN IT
12:37:44PM STARTED WITH MAYOR POE ALL THE WAY TO THE CURRENT MAYOR.
12:37:48PM SIX, SEVEN OF THEM.
12:37:53PM MAYBE EIGHT.
12:37:54PM MY MIND IS GOING IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
12:37:56PM YOU LOOK AT THE '96 AGREEMENT ON THE BILLBOARD AND GET
12:38:00PM CREDIT TO THE TODD PRESSMAN WHO IS THE ONE WORKING ON THEIR
12:38:03PM SIDE AND OUR LEGAL STAFF AND THOSE RUNNING THE CITY AT THAT
12:38:07PM TIME.
12:38:07PM I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
12:38:08PM TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIR AND EQUAL.
12:38:11PM THEY TOOK DOWN 590 -- 567 FINES, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
12:38:17PM IT WAS A -- SORB MANY FOR ONE.
12:38:21PM YOU KNOCK SO MANY, YOU PUT ONE DIGITAL.
12:38:23PM AND THAT IS HOW IT HAS WORKED OUT.
12:38:25PM AND HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WORK FOR A LONG PERIOD
12:38:28PM OF TIME WITHOUT ANY HITCHES I KNOW PRESENTLY.
12:38:36PM YOU START PREPARING YOURSELVES WITH OTHER CITIES AND WHAT
12:38:38PM THE ADMINISTRATION, PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT THE PRESENTATION HAD
12:38:41PM A LIST OF CITIES.
12:38:45PM I DON'T LOOK AT THAT.
12:38:46PM I DON'T COMPARE MYSELF WITH NO CITY.
12:38:48PM BECAUSE NO ONE IS TAMPA AND NO ONE IS BETTER THAN TAMPA.
12:38:53PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONVENTION CENTER BUILT BEFORE ITS
12:38:59PM TIME.
12:38:59PM LOSING A LOT OF WHAT, DINERO, MONEY EVERY YEAR.
12:39:06PM NO DETENTION -- HOTEL.
12:39:10PM WE HAD A CONVENTION CENTER.
12:39:11PM WHO THOUGHT OF THAT?
12:39:12PM UNDER MAYOR GRECO'S ADMINISTRATION IN '95.
12:39:16PM SECOND TIME AROUND.
12:39:17PM ABLE TO WORK WITH THE MARRIOTT A FORMULA.
12:39:20PM WE WERE NOT EVEN THE TOP 100 HOTELS THAT WERE GOING TO BE
12:39:25PM HERE A MARRIOTT COMING HERE OTHER HOTELS.
12:39:38PM IF THEY ARE COULD THERE WHY DO WE COME IN.
12:39:41PM SO NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE HOTELS COME IN.
12:39:45PM THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
12:39:46PM AND THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO COME TO TAMPA THEY
12:39:50PM WEREN'T GOING TO SLEEP IN THE STREETS I DON'T THINK.
12:39:53PM YOU VISIT TAMPA PAY STARTED WAY BACK.
12:39:56PM WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
12:39:59PM NO LONGER A SLEEPING VILLAGE.
12:40:01PM A DESTINATION FOR TOURISM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
12:40:05PM THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE.
12:40:06PM THE AQUARIUM.
12:40:08PM ZOO TAMPA THE BELL RINGS ONE MORE TIME, I AM GOING TO HIT
12:40:13PM IT.
12:40:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CAN'T CONTROL IT.
12:40:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING UP IN
12:40:17PM LIFE.
12:40:17PM TAMPA NOW IS A DESTINATION POINT.
12:40:20PM THE AIRPORT NOW IS ONE OF THE BUSIEST AND -- THE BEST OF THE
12:40:26PM WHOLE UNITED STATES.
12:40:27PM THE STRAZ CENTER IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THEIR SIZE PERIOD IN
12:40:31PM THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
12:40:32PM YOU HAVE WALKABILITY DOWNTOWN.
12:40:34PM YOU HAVE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ACCOUNT.
12:40:36PM AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE RISK OF LOSING WHAT WE
12:40:44PM WORKED ONLY FROM 1996 TO NOW.
12:40:46PM IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT COULD HAPPEN.
12:40:50PM THE LONG PROTECTION OF A LAWSUIT.
12:40:52PM AND SIGNED BY BOTH PARTIES.
12:40:55PM AND I AM NOT HERE -- I AM A RISK TAKER.
12:40:57PM WHAT IS ABOUT ME.
12:40:59PM BUT I AM NOT A RISK TAKER WHEN IT IS ABOUT ALL OF US I TAKE
12:41:03PM CHANCE ON MY OWN.
12:41:04PM I DON'T PUT THE GOVERNMENT IN MY CHANCES.
12:41:09PM SOMETHING FOR ME I GOT TO LOOK AT.
12:41:11PM I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF BILLBOARD SIGNS GOING EVERYWHERE.
12:41:14PM I THINK IT IS A DISTRACTION IN LIFE.
12:41:16PM AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
12:41:18PM WHY IS IT THAT WE SUCCEEDED SO WELL WITHOUT THE DIGITAL
12:41:22PM SIGNS?
12:41:29PM NO REFLASHING NO ONE.
12:41:30PM I AM NOT HERE TO SHARE OPINIONS TO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR
12:41:34PM CITY COUNCIL.
12:41:35PM IF I HAD TO VOTE ALONE, I AM HAPPY.
12:41:37PM THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE PUTTING DIGITAL
12:41:40PM SIGNS AND COMPARING YOURSELF WITH OTHER CITIES.
12:41:43PM I DON'T COMPARE THIS COUNCIL WITH OTHER COUNCIL.
12:41:45PM I DON'T CARE THIS GOVERNMENT WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENT.
12:41:47PM BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST.
12:41:48PM WE NEED -- WE HAVE SOME SHORTFALLS, I ADMIT TO THAT.
12:41:53PM BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WILL CONQUER THOSE SHORTFALLS.
12:41:58PM IT IS WHAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE THAT BOTHERS ME.
12:42:01PM AND WHAT HAVEN'T BEEN DONE IS WE DON'T HAVE NO DIGITAL SIGNS
12:42:05PM OTHER THAN AMALIE ARENA AND I DON'T -- I HAD NOTHING TO DO
12:42:09PM WITH THAT.
12:42:10PM BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS.
12:42:11PM WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING BETTER AND CREATING
12:42:21PM AMBIENCE FOR PEOPLE TO STAY IN TAMPA WHO WAS BORN IN
12:42:24PM COMPANY.
12:42:24PM BEFORE THEN KIDS GO TO COLLEGE AND WHATEVER COLLEGE THEY
12:42:27PM WENT, THEY WANT TO STAY THERE.
12:42:28PM THEY MAY LEAVE AND GO TO COLLEGE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT MOST OF
12:42:32PM THEM COME BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE IN THE CITY OF
12:42:35PM TAMPA.
12:42:35PM GOOD FIRE DEPARTMENT.
12:42:37PM GOOD POLICE DEPARTMENT.
12:42:38PM STABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY FOR A JOB.
12:42:42PM THINGS THAT ARE RUNNING RAPID SOMEWHERE ELSE NOT HAPPENING
12:42:45PM IN TAMPA AND I HOPE NEVER DO, BUT IT CAN HAPPEN TO US.
12:42:50PM I AM NOT SAYING BECAUSE OF THE SIGNS.
12:42:51PM BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WE ARE OPENING THE DOOR TO
12:42:54PM SOMETHING THAT WAS SIGNED IN 1996 THAT SAYS IT IS SOMETHING
12:42:59PM SELLS CHANGES, WE ARE ENTITLED TO THE SAME THING.
12:43:02PM AND THAT IS THE SIGN.
12:43:03PM AND I AM NOT A LAWYER AND I AM NOT A JUDGE, BUT I CAN TELL
12:43:07PM YOU I AM NOT READY TO TAKE A RISK ON BEHALF THE ACCIDENTS.
12:43:10PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:43:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:43:13PM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:43:14PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:43:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
12:43:17PM I AM JUST GOING TO START BY SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SIGN
12:43:23PM WAS ,000 SQUARE FEET.
12:43:24PM THAT IS JUST INSANE.
12:43:25PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: APPROVED WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE.
12:43:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT PART GETS TO ME.
12:43:34PM MEMO THAT SAYS WE DON'T WANT SIGNS AND ALREADY HAD A SIGN?
12:43:39PM LIKE JUST ABSOLUTELY FLOORS ME BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A
12:43:43PM SIGN.
12:43:43PM WE DIDN'T APPROVE IT.
12:43:44PM IT IS NOT LEGAL.
12:43:46PM AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SIGNS NOW BECAUSE WE ALREADY
12:43:50PM HAVE ONE.
12:43:50PM WE HAVE TWO.
12:43:52PM AND JUST BEYOND THAT, I HAPPEN TO TAKE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
12:43:56PM EXACTLY WHERE THE NEWS SIGN IS, BUT I DID A TOUR OF U.T.
12:44:01PM LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE AND UP ONLY THE SIXTH FLOOR AT
12:44:05PM THE BUILDING SEEING THE REVIEW THE RIVER.
12:44:07PM WE CAN SEE THAT SIGN.
12:44:08PM IT IS JUST A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THAT.
12:44:11PM I AM CURIOUS OF THE ILLUMINATION STANDARD OF THAT SIGN.
12:44:15PM WHEN DOES THAT GO DARK?
12:44:18PM WE DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE
12:44:20PM ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT SIGN.
12:44:21PM I AM FLABBERGASTED BY THAT.
12:44:23PM AND I THINK THAT ALONE.
12:44:24PM THAT SIGN ALONE THE CLEARCHANNEL COULD COME BACK FOR, I
12:44:28PM THINK.
12:44:28PM AND FROM MY PERSONAL OPINION, CLEARCHANNEL COULD COME BACK
12:44:32PM BECAUSE THAT SIGN IS ALREADY THERE.
12:44:33PM TO ME, THAT POINT IS MOOT.
12:44:35PM AND ALREADY EXISTS.
12:44:36PM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- I AM OKAY WITH OPENING IT UP A
12:44:39PM LITTLE BIT FURTHER BECAUSE I THINK LIMITING IT TO WATER
12:44:43PM STREET.
12:44:43PM STAND JUST -- AND THE ARTS AREA IS -- MY CONCERN ABOUT
12:44:49PM THAT IS THAT THEY WILL BE FACING THE RIVER AND I AM REALLY
12:44:53PM CONCERNED OF FACING THE RIVER AFTER SEEING THE VIEW FROM THE
12:44:57PM -- FROM U.T.
12:44:58PM I WAS SHOCKED.
12:44:59PM I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY THINKING OF
12:45:03PM THAT AS WE LOOK AT WHERE SIGNS GO AND WHO IS BEING
12:45:07PM ILLUMINATED AND WHO WILL SEE IT.
12:45:08PM I 100% AGREE THERE SHOULD BE NO FREE-STANDING SIGNS AND
12:45:12PM UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT LETTER, OR THAT THING ABOUT AMALIE,
12:45:19PM SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT FOR FREE-STANDING SIGNS AND
12:45:22PM NOT COOL.
12:45:23PM I DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE.
12:45:25PM NO FREE STANDING SIGNS.
12:45:26PM ABSOLUTELY NOT.
12:45:27PM AND WOULD LIKE THE FACT THAT BALTIMORE SAID NO HISTORIC
12:45:33PM BUILDINGS.
12:45:33PM I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
12:45:34PM I WANT TO BE SAY NO EMPTY BUILDINGS.
12:45:37PM I WANT -- IF YOU WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS, I DON'T
12:45:47PM WANT PEOPLE WITH EMPTY BUILDINGS TO BE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:45:50PM A PERCENTAGE YOU MUST HAVE, LIKE, 50% OCCUPATION OR
12:45:54PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO FIX UP
12:46:06PM THEIR BUILDINGS.
12:46:07PM IN THEY FIX UP THEIR BUILDINGS, THEY GET A SIGN OR WHATEVER.
12:46:10PM OTHER THING AND TECHNICALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING
12:46:13PM AND WHEN HE TALKED TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP OF THIS.
12:46:15PM I THINK THIS SHOULD PROBABLY NOT COME TO US.
12:46:17PM I CAN SEE THAT BECOMING A GIGANTIC CAN OF WORMS AND I DON'T
12:46:21PM WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT PERSONALLY.
12:46:23PM I WANT TO TALK OF CITY OF TAMPA.
12:46:34PM TO PUT A SIGN ON STRUCTURES.
12:46:37PM I KNOW WE NEED A RFP AND WOULDN'T GO TO DOWNTOWN STRUCTURES.
12:46:42PM I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO EARMARK THE REVENUE FROM ANY
12:46:45PM CITY OF TAMPA -- THAT ARE PUT ON CITY OF TAMPA BUILDINGS I
12:46:48PM WANT TO EARMARK THAT MONEY TO DOWNTOWN PROGRAMMING.
12:46:52PM RIGHT NOW THE RIVERWALK -- FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK IS
12:46:55PM COMING TO US ASKING FOR THIS BID AMOUNT OF MONEY.
12:46:57PM AND THE CITY OF TAMPA PARK AND WRECK.
12:47:09PM I WAS IN CINCINNATI AND THE PARTNERSHIP FOR THERE WAS
12:47:12PM CONTROLLED ALL THE PROGRAMMING.
12:47:13PM IT WAS PHENOMENAL.
12:47:17PM I FEEL PUTTING DOWN THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
12:47:22PM FRIENDS OF THE RIVERWALK.
12:47:23PM THEY HAVE A PULSE ON WHAT THE CITY WANT.
12:47:27PM OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT IS PHENOMENAL NOT WHAT WE DO.
12:47:30PM WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT TRENDS.
12:47:32PM THEY DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
12:47:33PM I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO PUT THAT REVENUE TOWARD
12:47:36PM DOWNTOWN PROGRAMMING SO SOMETHING THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO
12:47:39PM PAY FOR.
12:47:39PM IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- IT IS BASICALLY CHARGING ITSELF.
12:47:44PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE
12:47:46PM RIVERWALK, BUT AT LEAST DOING PARKS -- I AM NOT GOING TO
12:47:49PM DEAL WITH TIME BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE HAD TO.
12:47:51PM I AM ALMOST DONE.
12:47:52PM BUT THE PARKS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
12:47:55PM LIKE THE -- LIKE THE GASLIGHT PARK.
12:47:57PM OR JUST ALL SORTS OF THINGS I TALK TO THE DOWNTOWN
12:48:00PM PARTNERSHIP ABOUT IDEAS, OF WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMMING THEY
12:48:03PM WANT TO DO.
12:48:04PM AND I WANT TO TAKE OUR HANDS OFF THAT PROGRAMMING AND I WANT
12:48:07PM THAT TO GO TO DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
12:48:09PM AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO FUND IT.
12:48:11PM IF ANYTHING GOING ON THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT IS MY ONLY
12:48:15PM THING.
12:48:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON, VIERA AND THEN CLENDENIN.
12:48:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: A LOT HAS BEEN SAID.
12:48:21PM I WILL -- I WILL FOLLOW COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S LEAD, BUT I
12:48:25PM THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT FORWARD SOME TYPE OF PROCESS THAT IS
12:48:31PM FAIR.
12:48:32PM AND STICKS WITHIN THE RULE AND FAIR FOR EVERYONE.
12:48:34PM ALLOWS EVERYONE TO HAVE A FAIR SHARE.
12:48:36PM ALSO, STICKS WITHIN THE -- THE -- SOME GUIDELINES.
12:48:41PM I THINK THE -- I THINK THE GUIDELINES PRESENTED WERE A
12:48:45PM LITTLE BIT TOO RESTRICTIVE.
12:48:46PM BUT THE -- THE BIG QUESTION -- MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TALKED
12:48:51PM AROUND THIS, BUT I WANT STAFF TO ONLY THE QUESTION FOR THE
12:48:54PM PUBLIC, HOW IS THE ONE AT AMALIE ARENA APPROVED.
12:48:58PM AND DOES THAT NOT SET THE PRECEDENT TO GIVE CLEARCHANNEL ACT
12:49:02PM SENSE AND TRIP ALL THE OTHER RULES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT?
12:49:05PM HAVEN'T THAT ONE SEPTEMBER THE PRECEDENT THAT THEN WOULD
12:49:09PM WANT EVERYBODY TO RUSH IN ANYWAY AND, THEREFORE, SHOULDN'T
12:49:11PM WE SET STANDARDS BASE ON THAT ONE.
12:49:13PM AND IS THAT NOT THE STANDARD THEN?
12:49:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION?
12:49:24PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO WHEN -- ABBYE FEELEY.
12:49:27PM ALL OF THE SIGNS AT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE ICE PALACE WERE
12:49:32PM PERMITTED SIGNS.
12:49:33PM ALL THAT COPY AREA YOU SEE UP THERE WAS COPY AREA IN THE
12:49:37PM BUILDING.
12:49:37PM THOSE SIGNS WERE THERE.
12:49:39PM THEY WERE JUST STATIC SIGNS AND BANNER SIGNS AND OTHER
12:49:51PM STATIC SIGNS.
12:49:51PM THE EXCEPTION IS WHAT CAME INTO THE CITY.
12:49:54PM AMALIE SHOWED SIGNS WERE PERMITTED ALREADY, PERMITTED IN THE
12:49:59PM EARLY 1990s WHEN THE SIGN CODE FOR DOWNTOWN WAS DIFFERENT.
12:50:06PM CAN WE MODERNIZE THE COPY THAT WE ALREADY PERMITTED?
12:50:11PM THE MODERNIZATION INCLUDED DIGITIZING THOSE TO THE
12:50:15PM ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGN STANDARDS.
12:50:17PM YOU RAISE IT AS ACTIVATED.
12:50:19PM I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM -- ACTIVATED SIGNS ARE NOT
12:50:23PM ALLOWED.
12:50:24PM WE ARE LOOKING INTO PART OF THOSE SIGNS THAT IS ACTIVATED
12:50:27PM BEING REMOVED.
12:50:27PM IT NEEDS TO IT BE THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE STANDARDS WHICH ARE
12:50:32PM THE STANDARDS THAT ARE SPOKEN TO IN THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:50:35PM IT SAYS IT CAN ONLY CHANGE SO MANY SECONDS.
12:50:38PM IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH CODE.
12:50:39PM OUR GOAD DOES CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR SIGNS TO CHANGE.
12:50:43PM IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THEM TO BE ACTIVATED.
12:50:46PM BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR THEM TO CHANGE.
12:50:51PM SO IT CAN SAY WHATEVER IT IS.
12:50:55PM THEN 15 SECONDS LATER.
12:50:57PM WE HAVE THOSE ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
12:50:59PM WE HAVE THOSE IN OTHER PLACES.
12:51:00PM TIME AND TEMPERATURE AND OTHER MESSAGES RELATED TO THOSE
12:51:06PM BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THOSE SITES.
12:51:07PM WE ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM OF OFF-SITE TIMES.
12:51:12PM IT HAS TO BE THINGS THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ARENA.
12:51:15PM THOSE SIGNS IN THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE THEM, WERE PREVIOUS
12:51:18PM LEAVE THERE.
12:51:19PM THE EXCEPTION, WHICH THE CODE ALLOWS FOR, MASTER
12:51:24PM SIGN PLANS TO COME IN.
12:51:26PM SAY THAT -- AND THAT WAS WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
12:51:30PM THEY ASKED FOR THE SIZE.
12:51:32PM THEY ASKED FOR THE LOCATION AND TO MODERNIZE THAT.
12:51:35PM AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED BASED ON THE AREA THAT THEY
12:51:40PM ALREADY HAVE.
12:51:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST COMMENT -- THANK YOU.
12:51:45PM ONE LAST COMMENT ON THIS.
12:51:47PM I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID ALSO.
12:51:50PM WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE OTHER CITIES.
12:51:52PM I BRING UP OTHER CITIES, BUT NEVER TO SAY WE SHOULD COPY
12:51:56PM THEM, BUT TO SAY WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY
12:52:00PM DO.
12:52:00PM WE WOULDN'T BE LIKE TOKYO, SHANGHAI, LONDON ALL OVER THE
12:52:05PM PLACE.
12:52:05PM WE NEED TO BE TAMPA.
12:52:06PM WHAT IS THE UNIQUE TESTIMONY STYLE OF -- WHERE IT SHOULD BE
12:52:09PM AND HOW IT SHOULD LOOK.
12:52:10PM IDEALLY WANT CAN HAPHAZARDLY BE DONE UNLESS -- UNLESS IT IS
12:52:15PM CONTAINED WITHIN A HUGE DEVELOPMENT, THAT IS ONE THING.
12:52:19PM OTHERWISE, SOME KIND OF THEME THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH TAMPA
12:52:23PM THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND RECOGNIZABLE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE
12:52:26PM PICTURES IT.
12:52:27PM I WILL LET COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON LEAD.
12:52:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VIERA AND CLENDENIN.
12:52:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS ISSUE WANTS TO
12:52:39PM SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
12:52:40PM THIS IS HER DISTRICT, ETC.
12:52:42PM WHAT I WILL SAY IS A FEW THINGS.
12:52:44PM WHICH IS HAVING IT -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IT IN THE CENTRAL
12:52:48PM BUSINESS DISTRICT IN GENERAL.
12:52:49PM MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR SOMETHING THAT
12:52:53PM IS THERE.
12:52:56PM I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
12:52:57PM AND COUNCILMAN HENDERSON IS VERY RIGHT IN THAT WE WANT TO
12:53:01PM MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAMSTRING BUSINESSES.
12:53:04PM WE DON'T WANT TO FEUD, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS GOT TO BE A
12:53:09PM REASONABLE WAY WHERE WE CAN ENCOURAGE COMPETITION.
12:53:12PM I THINK THAT THAT OUGHT TO BE ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE GOALS
12:53:16PM OF THIS IS TO ENCOURAGE COMPETITION INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
12:53:21PM AND ENTERPRISE, ETC.
12:53:22PM I CERTAINLY THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
12:53:25PM BUT I THINK THAN OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IS -- IS IMPORTANT TO
12:53:29PM MAKE SURE THEIR THIS IS DONE RIGHT.
12:53:30PM BUT, AGAIN, I AM SUPPORTIVE.
12:53:33PM AND -- AND GLAD TO DO IT.
12:53:35PM THANK YOU.
12:53:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN.
12:53:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS WATCHING MOST OF IT WENT I WASN'T
12:53:42PM HERE.
12:53:42PM WATCHING IT ON YOUTUBE.
12:53:46PM PLUG FOR YOUTUBE.
12:53:52PM AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR MEETINGS, MY FEELINGS ON THIS -- AND
12:53:55PM COUNCILMAN VIERA JUST SAID IT.
12:53:57PM IT HAS TO BE DEFINED CRITERIA.
12:53:59PM IT HAS TO BE CLEAR EXPECTATIONS REGARDLESS OF WHO IS LOOKING
12:54:04PM AT, IF IT IS A RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN OR A POTENTIAL VENDOR
12:54:08PM LOOKING TO BID OR FUTURE COUNCIL SIT CAN AT THIS DAIS THEY
12:54:19PM CAN UNDERSTAND WITH THE POLICY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE
12:54:23PM ARE GOING TO CREATE.
12:54:23PM I DON'T BELIEVE LIMITING IT TO THE TWO DISTRICTS AS WE
12:54:26PM SPOKEN ABOUT BEFORE.
12:54:27PM I THINK THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS THE CENTRAL
12:54:29PM BUSINESS DISTRICT AND WE LOOK AT THIS AS A TEST CASE OF
12:54:34PM POSSIBLY -- WE HAVE THE SHORE DISTRICT AND SEE HOW THIS
12:54:37PM WORKS HERE.
12:54:37PM BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND PUT IT TO THE
12:54:43PM UNIVERSITY AREA.
12:54:43PM AND WESTSHORE DISTRICT ISSUE.
12:54:46PM AREAS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN THE
12:54:50PM FUTURE.
12:54:50PM WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
12:54:51PM IT SEEMS TO ME, THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE OF GETTING THIS RIGHT
12:54:59PM IS TIME.
12:54:59PM I THINK THAT TIMING TRYING TO PUSH SOMETHING THROUGH.
12:55:03PM I WOULD RATHER GET THIS AS CLOSE TO PERFECT AS POSSIBLE AS
12:55:12PM FORCE SOME ARBITRARY SCHEDULE.
12:55:15PM I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A REALISTIC EXPECTATION.
12:55:17PM AND ADMINISTRATOR FEELEY, IF THIS WAS A PERFECT WORLD AND
12:55:22PM WITH THE STAFF AND THE RESOURCES THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS TO
12:55:25PM BE ABLE TO CRAFT THIS.
12:55:31PM WORK WITH THE PARTNERS WITH THE CITY TO GET THIS RIGHT BASE
12:55:34PM ON THE INPUT FROM COUNCIL.
12:55:35PM HOW MUCH TIME OR.
12:55:42PM GOOD SOLID CODE OF WHAT WE ARE NEEDING TO DO?
12:55:51PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: COUPLE OF THINGS.
12:55:53PM ANDREA IS EXPLORING HAVING A SEPARATE ENTITY.
12:55:56PM I KNOW IT HAS BEEN RAISED BECAUSE OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT
12:55:59PM AND THAT IS HOW THEY IMPLEMENTED IT.
12:56:00PM BUT THAT ENTITY FROM WHAT I HAVE RESEARCHED AND LEARNED IS
12:56:04PM THE PERMITTING ENTITY OF THE SIGNS.
12:56:07PM THEY PUT IN FOR THE SIGN PERMIT WHOLE ANOTHER -- IN LOOKING
12:56:19PM AT ALL OF THIS, I WONDER IF THE COLONEL WOULD ENTERTAIN
12:56:22PM PUTTING OUT A RFP F THE CRA A NONINVESTED PARTY TO COME BACK
12:56:31PM AND DO THE INVENTORY AND TELL US WHAT WILL BE APPROPRIATE
12:56:35PM PACED ON THEIR STUDIES AND SIMILARITIES.
12:56:37PM SEEM LIKE THAT IS WHAT THE OTHER CITIES DID.
12:56:39PM TOOK THEM 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO DO IT.
12:56:42PM AND I AM NOT A SIGN EXPERT.
12:56:44PM I AM NOT.
12:56:45PM AND ID AND EVEN -- EVEN IF I CAN WRITE CODE FOR YOU, WHICH I
12:56:49PM AM NOT A EXPERT ON THAT EITHER.
12:56:50PM AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE CLARION WORKING ONLY THE CODE UPDATE
12:56:55PM BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS OVER TIME WITH ALL THOSE
12:56:58PM CODES.
12:56:58PM HE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM STANDING HERE SAYING THAT TO YOU.
12:57:00PM AND THAT IS WHY WE STARTED THE WAY WE DID.
12:57:05PM THIS IS A PROCESS WE KNOW.
12:57:07PM PART OF WHAT WE KNOW.
12:57:08PM PART OF WHAT STARTED AND HOW DO WE START TO DO THIS IN FIVE
12:57:12PM WEEK.
12:57:12PM AND LET'S DO THIS.
12:57:14PM I HEAR WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING GET GOING RIGHT AND MAKE SURE
12:57:18PM IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR TAMPA AND I DON'T KNOW I AM THE PERSON
12:57:21PM TO DO THAT FOR YOU.
12:57:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T SEE -- THIS PROCESS IS WITH
12:57:28PM DIFFERENT CRAs TOO.
12:57:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: COULD BE THE DOWNTOWN -- I MEAN.
12:57:32PM I AM ASSUMING THIS WILL NOT GO INTO YBOR --
12:57:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHANNELSIDE, THE ENCORE -- FOR THE CRAs.
12:57:45PM BECAUSE SHE -- SHE SUGGESTED LIKE HAVING THE CRA RFP FOR A
12:57:52PM CONSULTANT.
12:57:53PM >> THIS IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU ARE TALKING
12:57:55PM ABOUT.
12:57:55PM >> THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
12:57:57PM DOES THAT NOT INCLUDE AMALIE ARENA AND WATER STREET?
12:58:06PM CHANNELSIDE?
12:58:07PM I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE
12:58:10PM TO -- I MEAN CITY STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THE INPUT YOU
12:58:14PM HEAR HERE ALONG WITH THE RESOURCE -- RESOURCES AND RESEARCH
12:58:19PM THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, AND SPOOL UP TO BECOME SUBJECT
12:58:23PM MATTER EXPERTS ON THIS TO GET THIS THING DONE.
12:58:26PM I THINK WE ARE TRULY THINKING OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU NEED TO
12:58:30PM ACCOMPLISH THAT.
12:58:30PM THAT WAS MY POINT.
12:58:31PM IN ORDER TO BECOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO BE ABLE TO DO A
12:58:35PM DEEP DIVE TO GET THIS RIGHT USING THE INTERNAL RESOURCES
12:58:38PM THAT WE HAVE.
12:58:39PM WHAT DOES THAT TIME FRAME LOOK LIKE IN YOUR OPINION?
12:58:42PM OR LEGAL STAFF'S OPINION?
12:58:44PM I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS WERE TO GET -- IN OTHER WORDS, HOW CAN
12:58:49PM WE HELP NEW A TIMELINE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS TASK?
12:58:56PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: LET ME THINK OF THAT FOR A MINUTE.
12:58:58PM IF YOU ALL CAN CONTINUE.
12:58:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO ADD A COMMENT TO THAT.
12:59:01PM I TOOK A PICTURE OF THEIR TIMELINE FOR -- LET ME LOOK AT IT.
12:59:06PM DARN IT.
12:59:07PM WHERE IS IT?
12:59:09PM YEAH.
12:59:10PM SO THE TIMELINE THAT MR. COTTON PRESENTED EARLIER WAS IN
12:59:21PM KEEPING WITH -- IT COMING FOR SECOND READING IN AUGUST.
12:59:24PM AND SO NO THEY ARE NOT SIGN EXPERTS BUT WE ARE PAYING
12:59:30PM CLARION A MILLION DOLLARS TO HELP WRITE CODE.
12:59:34PM IF THEY NEED ASSISTANCE ON THAT, I THINK THAT CAN BE DONE.
12:59:37PM I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DISTRACTED BY SAYING, YOU KNOW,
12:59:41PM THERE ARE NOT AREAS OF EXPERTISE HERE, BECAUSE THERE
12:59:45PM ACTUALLY IS.
12:59:46PM IF WE KEEP WITHIN THE SAME PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE FOR
12:59:50PM EVERYTHING ELSE, WE CAN REACH OUR TARGET DATE BY AUGUST, OR
12:59:54PM HAVE A FIRST READING BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE GIVEN TIME FOR
12:59:59PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
01:00:00PM WE WILL HAVE GIVEN TIME FOR -- FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION
01:00:05PM PROCESS.
01:00:05PM AND, YOU KNOW, COME TO US WITH FIRST READING.
01:00:07PM WE ACTUALLY -- IN FEBRUARY, ON THE 20th, WE SHOULD AT LEAST
01:00:12PM HAVE A DRAFT FOR THEM BASED ONLY EVERYTHING THAT THEY HEARD
01:00:15PM FROM US TODAY.
01:00:16PM THEY CAN I WILL GIVE US A DRAFT THAT WILL NOT BE SO
01:00:22PM RESTRICTIVE.
01:00:23PM TODAY'S PRESENTATION WAS BASED ON REGULATING AND NOT
01:00:26PM SUPPORTING AND SO IF THEY -- IF STAFF GETS OUT OF THEIR OWN
01:00:33PM HEAD.
01:00:33PM BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE NO STARTER IS AT THE TOP.
01:00:36PM STARTED THE TOP AND SO NOW -- I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THIS
01:00:43PM JOURNEY BY MYSELF.
01:00:44PM I WANT COUNCIL'S SUPPORT BUT HOW DO WE OPERATE WENT, YOU
01:00:49PM KNOW, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND STAFFED ARE -- ARE PRESENTED IN
01:00:55PM SUCH OF A MATTER THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND
01:00:58PM NOW THEY ARE BOTTLING IT.
01:00:59PM AND SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE THE AREAS OF EXPERTISE.
01:01:02PM WE HAVE THE STAFF THAT CAN GET IT DONE.
01:01:10PM AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LET ANYONE OFF THE HOOK FOR THAT
01:01:13PM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY HEARING WHAT THEY WANTED TO
01:01:16PM HEAR TODAY.
01:01:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:01:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THING BRINGS UP A WARMER CONVERSATION OF
01:01:21PM THAT.
01:01:21PM AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHICH PROBABLY CAN TALK
01:01:23PM ABOUT IN DETAIL MAYBE AFTER THIS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WHEN
01:01:28PM ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT TO DO STUFF, YOU KNOW, STATION
01:01:31PM 24.
01:01:32PM BUT -- JUST.
01:01:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: OH, MY GOODNESS.
01:01:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
01:01:39PM ALWAYS TOP OF MIND.
01:01:40PM WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO IS BRING BACK A BASIC -- A BASIC
01:01:45PM FRAMEWORK.
01:01:46PM LIKE YOU SAID.
01:01:46PM I AM -- I AM INTERESTED IN HOW MANY CAN GO ON A BLOCK.
01:01:50PM WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
01:01:52PM AND GETTING THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC IS HELPFUL.
01:01:55PM SO I AM FINE WITH FOLLOWING THAT TIMELINE, BUT NOT
01:01:59PM NECESSARILY BEING WEDDED TO IT.
01:02:03PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: CORRECS.
01:02:05PM A STARTING POINT.
01:02:10PM NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE OR GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.
01:02:14PM NO.
01:02:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL AGREE YOU WITH OTHER CITIES TOOK 18 TO
01:02:18PM 24 MONTHS.
01:02:19PM I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE WILL LICKED TEE SPLIT GET IT DONE.
01:02:23PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FIRST ITERATION AND SEE WHAT THE PUBLIC
01:02:26PM HAS TO SAY.
01:02:26PM AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US -- I AM WITH YOU ON THAT.
01:02:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNTING THE FIVE MONTHS WE HAVE ALREADY
01:02:32PM BEEN IN THIS PROCESS.
01:02:33PM AUGUST IS ACTUALLY 13 MONTHS THAT PUTS US AT 13.
01:02:39PM SO -- THIS IS MY TOUGHEST THUS FAR IN TERMS OF THIS.
01:02:44PM I AM NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.
01:02:46PM I REALLY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT BECOMES MORE
01:02:50PM COLLABORATIVE, WE CAN GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE
01:02:55PM PROCESS CAN MOVE ALONG AND WE CAN AT LEAST GET TO FIRST
01:02:58PM READING BY AUGUST, SEPTEMBER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
01:03:01PM THAT PUTS US AT 18 MONTHS.
01:03:02PM THE VERY 18 MONTHS YOU JUST ADDRESSED.
01:03:06PM TO CHARLIE'S POINT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T
01:03:11PM KNOW IF IT IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.
01:03:21PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I UNDER.
01:03:25PM THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT GOES INTO THIS IS IMPORTANT.
01:03:29PM I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
01:03:30PM IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US TODAY.
01:03:32PM AND THE FAST PERMITTING THAT WAS -- THAT WAS HAPPENING WITH
01:03:36PM THE AMALIE ARENA FOR SOMETHING WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW
01:03:40PM ABOUT.
01:03:40PM I HAPPENED TO SEE THE SIGN OVER THE HOLIDAYS AND SURPRISED
01:03:44PM BECAUSE IT WAS AN ACTIVATED SIGN.
01:03:47PM SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT.
01:03:48PM AND IT WAS PRESENTED THAT OTHER SIGNS ARE NOT REGULATED
01:03:52PM PROPERLY.
01:03:52PM THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE DOWNTOWN
01:03:57PM AND HAS NO BUSINESS BEING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE NOT REGULATED.
01:04:00PM A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE THAT LITERALLY LEGAL COULD ARIGHT NOW
01:04:07PM WOWS YOU.
01:04:08PM LEGAL AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
01:04:10PM THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT THEY ARE ADDRESSING.
01:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MIRANDA.
01:04:15PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 96, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG TO TOOK.
01:04:20PM CHECK THE RECORDS.
01:04:21PM YOU CAN EASILY FIND THOSE.
01:04:22PM TOOK A LONG PERIOD OF TIME TO WORK THOSE THING OUT AND THOSE
01:04:25PM WERE NOT THESE TYPE OF SIGNS.
01:04:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VIERA.
01:04:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK COUNCIL
01:04:32PM HAS HAD ORDINANCES PROPOSED BEFORE THAT MAYBE STAFF DIDN'T
01:04:37PM AGREE WITH.
01:04:37PM AND ULTIMATELY IT BECOMES THEN AN ISSUE IF THE MAYOR GOING
01:04:42PM TO SIGN IT OR WHATEVER.
01:04:42PM I WILL DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO.
01:04:44PM WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS MAKE THE MOTION.
01:04:46PM WE WILL SUPPORT IT.
01:04:47PM AND LET'S HEAD OUT.
01:04:48PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:04:55PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, LEGAL
01:04:58PM DEPARTMENT.
01:04:58PM I WANT TO A MINUTE TO EXPLAIN THE SERIES OF TEXT AMENDMENTS
01:05:03PM BY MR. COTTON AND MISS DANA CROSBY COLLIER.
01:05:06PM I THINK THERE WERE TEN OF THEM THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU IN
01:05:08PM ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME IT TOOK US TO PRESENT ONE
01:05:11PM PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
01:05:13PM SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING MINOR -- CORRECTIVE
01:05:17PM MINOR -- RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGES TO SINGLE SECTIONS OF
01:05:22PM CODE, AND -- AND SHIFTING A DECADES-OLD POLICY OF THE CITY
01:05:31PM THAT IS EMBODIED IN THE CODE.
01:05:33PM I THINK IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFORT.
01:05:35PM MISS FEELEY AND I SPENT UNTIL THE NEXT AUGUST TO GO --
01:05:40PM FOLLOW THE SAME PATH.
01:05:41PM IT WILL BE A VERY HEAVY LIFT GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT EACH
01:05:44PM OF US HAS ON OUR PLATES.
01:05:46PM SO I AM JUST ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THAT AS YOU KIND OF
01:05:50PM GO FORWARD WITH THE TIMELINE.
01:05:51PM WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF RESEARCH TO DO, LIKE ABBY SAID.
01:05:57PM I AM NOT AN ILLUMINATION EXPERT.
01:06:01PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.
01:06:03PM I DON'T KNOW -- SOME OF THE CITIES WENT THROUGH AND
01:06:06PM IDENTIFIED BUILDING BY BUILDING, SECTIONS OF BUILDING BY
01:06:09PM SECTIONING OF BUILDING.
01:06:10PM WE WERE PROPOSING, AGAIN, KIND OF A BABY STEP APPROACH TO
01:06:16PM THIS TO SEE HOW IT WORKS AUTOMAKERS AND NOW COUNCIL IS
01:06:19PM APPARENTLY DIRECTING US TO WRITE A CODE THAT ALLOWS US IN
01:06:22PM THE ENTIRE CDB.
01:06:24PM AGAIN, WE NEED TO GET A BETTER FOCUS AND A BETTER
01:06:27PM UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COUNCIL IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS
01:06:30PM POLICY SHIFT.
01:06:31PM PLACEMAKING OR JUST SIGNAGE IN THE CDB.
01:06:35PM I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
01:06:37PM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO EVEN KIND
01:06:41PM OF DO THIS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REWRITE OF THE CURRENT POLICY
01:06:45PM IN THE CODE THAT I JUST LIKE TO ASK COUNCIL BILL TO CONSIDER
01:06:50PM A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR THEIR EFFORT.
01:06:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS NEXT AND THEN
01:06:56PM BACK TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:06:57PM CARLSON.
01:07:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO FOLLOW ON HAVING THE
01:07:06PM ADMINISTRATION AGAINST YOU.
01:07:07PM YOU SEE THE FULL BRUNT OF WHAT HAPPENS TO ME -- HENDERSON
01:07:10PM HENDERSON WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU TODAY.
01:07:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO, BUT I AM JUST TELLING YOU THAT -- YOU
01:07:14PM KNOW, THE -- AND THIS IS PROVEN THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS.
01:07:17PM THEY WILL INTENTIONALLY TAUNT ME, YELL AND BE PASSIVE
01:07:24PM AGGRESSIVE.
01:07:25PM GET PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO TALK ON TOPICS THEY SHOULDN'T
01:07:28PM BE SPEAKING OF.
01:07:30PM RESTRICT THE MEDIA.
01:07:32PM MY POINT IN SAYING THAT IS THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.
01:07:35PM THIS -- I AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GET
01:07:39PM SOMETHING IN THIS CASE.
01:07:39PM BUT AT LEAST FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT MISS FEELEY AND MISS
01:07:43PM JOHNSON-VELEZ COMPLETED.
01:07:46PM IT WAS LEVEL AND EXTREMELY DETAILED AND NEED TO KNOW THE
01:07:49PM DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT.
01:07:51PM WHAT IT DOES IS GIVES US A ROAD MAP TO START FROM OR A PLACE
01:07:55PM TO START FROM, SO WE JUST SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A
01:07:58PM GREAT PRESENTATION.
01:07:59PM ALL THE HOURS AND HOURS OF RESEARCH.
01:08:00PM AND NOW WE ARE -- WE ARE BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE
01:08:03PM COMMUNITY, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROCESS.
01:08:05PM AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
01:08:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
01:08:09PM REMEMBER PER OUR RULES, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONCLUDE
01:08:15PM WORKSHOPS BY 1 P.M.
01:08:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: ONE OF THE THINGS CAN BE DONE BASED ON
01:08:21PM JUST WHAT WAS -- WHAT WAS HEARD TODAY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE
01:08:24PM DAIS.
01:08:24PM EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT,
01:08:28PM THE STAFF DOES, TO COME BACK WITH SOME DIRECTION AS TO --
01:08:31PM EVEN GENERAL DIRECTION HOW WE WILL GO FORWARD BY FEBRUARY
01:08:35PM 20.
01:08:35PM WE CAN GET A STAFF REPORT TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE THINKING BY
01:08:37PM FEBRUARY 20, TO SEE WHAT DIRECTION THEY ARE GOING IN.
01:08:41PM AND WE CAN HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
01:08:43PM YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF TO COME BACK.
01:08:52PM THEY CAN START WITH WHAT THEY HEARD FROM US TODAY.
01:08:56PM I MOVE --
01:08:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU MAKE THE MOTION.
01:08:59PM AND NOT TO INTERRUPT, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AND I AM LOOKING
01:09:02PM AT THE CALENDAR.
01:09:03PM YOU HAVE SEVEN STAFF REPORTS.
01:09:04PM AND YOU ALSO HAVE 9:00 PRESENTATION ON THE -- ON THE JACKSON
01:09:09PM HOUSE RENOVATION, PLANS BY THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION.
01:09:13PM JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
01:09:15PM IF COUNCIL WISHES BY SUPERMAJORITY BY THE RULES, THAT IS
01:09:20PM APPROPRIATE.
01:09:23PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY CAN ISSUE THE TASK TO CLARION.
01:09:25PM WE ARE PAYING THEM OVER $1 MILLION.
01:09:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OUT OF THE CONTRACT WHICH WAS NEGOTIATED.
01:09:33PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS DISAPPOINTING.
01:09:35PM WE WILL DO A WRITTEN REPORT.
01:09:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WRITTEN REPORT, THAT IS FINE.
01:09:40PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MOVE THAT WE HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM
01:09:43PM STAFF BASED ON --
01:09:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
01:09:46PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN I GET CONFIRMATION ON WHERE WE ARE?
01:09:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
01:09:54PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD.
01:09:56PM I WANT TO DO THIS.
01:09:57PM I'M HERE.
01:09:57PM RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.
01:10:00PM DO THIS FOR OUR CITY.
01:10:02PM I NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THINGS SO WE CAN GO DO IT.
01:10:06PM I WOULD APPRECIATE A LITTLE MORE THAN FEBRUARY 20, BUT LET'S
01:10:10PM -- LET'S START WITH WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT YOUR DESIRES ARE
01:10:13PM SO THAT IS WHAT CAN GO IN THERE.
01:10:17PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FEBRUARY 20 IS NOT SOME HARD-CORE
01:10:22PM DISSERTATION.
01:10:23PM IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD FROM
01:10:26PM COUNCIL, TO INCLUDE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
01:10:30PM THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS REVIEWERS OF APPLICATION.
01:10:32PM EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
01:10:34PM THAT IS WHAT YOU HEARD UP HERE TODAY.
01:10:36PM EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF WHERE THE SIGNS ARE GOING TO BE
01:10:39PM PLACED.
01:10:39PM NOT NECESSARILY -- BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT LOOKING INTO --
01:10:47PM YES, WE WILL LOCK AT ILLUMINATION AND WHATEVER THE CASE WILL
01:10:51PM BE.
01:10:51PM YOU CAN PUT THAT IN WRITING FOR US STEMS YOU ARE TAKING TO
01:10:54PM MOVE FORWARD BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY.
01:10:55PM SO I DON'T WANT TO BE SO HARD CORE ABOUT IT.
01:10:58PM I WANT TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY, BUT YOU CAN GIVE US A
01:11:02PM STAFF REPORT WITH DIRECTION BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY.
01:11:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WRITTEN.
01:11:09PM >> A WRITTEN REPORT BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD TODAY BY
01:11:12PM SEPTEMBER -- FEBRUARY 20.
01:11:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?
01:11:26PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SORRY, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ --
01:11:29PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WRITTEN REPORT WHAT YOU HEARD FROM
01:11:31PM COUNCIL TODAY AS TO STEPS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW,
01:11:35PM THAT --
01:11:36PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SORRY -- TIME SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
01:11:40PM A WRITTEN REPORT -- SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
01:11:42PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS TOO.
01:11:45PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WRITTEN REPORT FOR THE FEBRUARY 20
01:11:48PM MEETING WILL BE DUE NEXT WEEK?
01:11:50PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: FEBRUARY 20 IF IT WILL DUE NEXT WEEK.
01:11:53PM FEBRUARY 20 THIS -- THAT IS 30 DAYS FROM NOW?
01:12:00PM THEY NEED TIME -- LET ME LOOK AT ANOTHER DATE.
01:12:02PM HOLD ON.
01:12:03PM WHAT IS THE DATE AFTER FEBRUARY 20?
01:12:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FEBRUARY 27 IS A WORKSHOP AND MARCH 6.
01:12:11PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MARCH 6.
01:12:13PM MARCH 6.
01:12:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
01:12:15PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE ROOM ON A REGULAR STAFF REPORT FOR
01:12:18PM THAT.
01:12:18PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT CAN BE PRESENTED.
01:12:21PM >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WOULD YOU WANT.
01:12:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WRITTEN OR IN PERSON.
01:12:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: CHAIRMAN.
01:12:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES MR. SHELBY.
01:12:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BE MINDFUL TWO REVIEWS AT 1:30,
01:12:35PM PRESENTATIONS AND A STAFF REPORT.
01:12:37PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WRITTEN IS FINE.
01:12:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FOR WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON MARCH
01:12:42PM 6.
01:12:42PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:12:44PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:12:45PM OPPOSED?
01:12:46PM YES?
01:12:48PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: ANYTHING -- I HAVE HEARD LOCATION.
01:12:50PM YOU WOULD LIKE IT EVERYWHERE.
01:12:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS TRYING TO BRING IT UP AND SUMMARIZE
01:12:58PM AND PEOPLE CAN ADD IF I FORGET ABOUT SOMETHING.
01:13:00PM SORRY --
01:13:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
01:13:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT-WIDE.
01:13:11PM NO ASH TARRY RESTRICTIONS.
01:13:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
01:13:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARBITRARY SAY THREE SIGNS -- NO ARBITRARY
01:13:19PM BASED ON CRITERIA.
01:13:20PM IF A SIGN MEETS A SPECIFIC CRITERIA IT COULD BE APPROVED.
01:13:25PM YOU KNOW, REFERENCE SCALE -- SCALE FACING, MASS.
01:13:30PM YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE ONE STANDARD CRITERIA THAT THE SIGNS
01:13:34PM WILL BE EVALUATED ON AND PLACEMENT OF SIGNS WILL BE
01:13:36PM EVALUATED ON.
01:13:37PM AND ENSURING THAT THE -- THAT THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP NOT
01:13:44PM IMPROVING SHORT BUT AS VETTING -- A VETTING AGENCY TO GO
01:13:48PM THROUGH IT FIRST BEFORE WE SEE IT.
01:13:49PM POSSIBLY -- NO HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
01:13:58PM NO EMPTY -- I DON'T KNOW HOW DO YOU THE NO EMPTY BUILDINGS.
01:14:00PM HOW ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE.
01:14:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT SOMETHING THAT IS BEING USED.
01:14:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A VACANT OR ABANDONED TYPE OF BUILDING.
01:14:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: VACANT BUILDINGS.
01:14:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU INCORPORATE THAT.
01:14:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THESE ARE.
01:14:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SEE.
01:14:21PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
01:14:22PM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SPEAKS TO REVENUE.
01:14:23PM THAT WILL HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE --
01:14:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEPARATE MOTION.
01:14:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: SEPARATE DISCUSSION.
01:14:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID I FORGET ANYTHING ELSE?
01:14:32PM I THINK -- YOU AND I SPOKE OF HAVING -- HAVING VARIOUS --
01:14:37PM BECAUSE -- I -- I ENVISION LIKE YOU SAID A PARKING GARAGE.
01:14:41PM HAVING BANNER SIDE OF A DISPLAY VERSUS THIS UGLY MONSTROSITY
01:14:47PM THAT SHOULD BE GRAVEL NEXT TO US INSTEAD OF A BUILDING.
01:14:50PM WE WOULD ONLY BE EN HANDLED BY ILLUMINATING DISPLAY ON THAT
01:14:55PM YOU GO THING.
01:14:57PM TELL ME THAT IS NOT THE UGLIEST BUILDING YOU HAVE SEEN IN
01:15:01PM YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.
01:15:02PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM NOT GOING TO STAY THAT.
01:15:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE TO BALANCE OUT THE TYPE OF
01:15:06PM DISPLAYS AND THE KIND OF DISPLAYS AND ILLUMINATION STANDARDS
01:15:11PM BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIGHLIGHTED.
01:15:14PM ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP -- THAT WE ARE NOT CALLING
01:15:18PM THESE "SIGNS."
01:15:20PM ILLUMINATED DISPLAYS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
01:15:22PM BECAUSE IT MISCHARACTERIZES.
01:15:25PM IF WE HAVE ONE STANDARD NOMENCLATURE HOW WE REFER TO THESE
01:15:29PM THINGS.
01:15:29PM A STANDARD OF HOW THE CITIES REFER TO THEM?
01:15:34PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THEY ARE
01:15:37PM REFERRED TO.
01:15:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BARRING NO OBJECTIONS ILLUMINATED
01:15:43PM DISPLAYS.
01:15:43PM THING IS A WORKSHOP.
01:15:45PM THIS IS A DISCUSSION.
01:15:46PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THEY ARE TECHNICALLY SIGNS.
01:15:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO DIFFERENTIATE.
01:15:53PM >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVE TO ADD A DEFINITION OF THE TYPE OF
01:15:57PM SIGN.
01:15:57PM UNLIMITED NUMBER THROUGHOUT HAD THE CDB.
01:16:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BASED CRITERIA.
01:16:05PM IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CRITERIA AND ONLY A BUILDING YOU CAN
01:16:08PM HAVE ONE OR THREE AND WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH.
01:16:11PM TWO SIDES.
01:16:12PM IT LENDS ITSELF.
01:16:15PM SO MANY BUILDS.
01:16:18PM SO MANY FACADES.
01:16:19PM SO MANY THINGS FACE THE RIVER.
01:16:22PM NATURALLY RESTRICTS ITSELF IF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING HAS
01:16:26PM TO BE THREE STORIES.
01:16:27PM IT WILL NATURALLY PROVIDE -- AGAIN, BASED ON VERY DEFINED
01:16:32PM CRITERIA WILL LIMIT ITSELF.
01:16:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:16:37PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, AS PARALLEL TO THIS, I THINK WE SHOULD
01:16:41PM TAKE WHAT I THINK WAS MISS FEELEY'S RECOMMENDATION, AND GO
01:16:45PM TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND ASK THEM TO ASK FOR A GRANT
01:16:48PM FROM THE CRA.
01:16:49PM THEY ARE DOING VISIONING ON FRANK LYNN STREET -- FRANKLIN
01:16:56PM STREET AND OTHER AREAS OF DOWNTOWN.
01:16:58PM THEY MAY HAVE AN ADD-ON THIS.
01:17:02PM THIS MAY BE A MODIFICATION OF YOUR IDEA.
01:17:04PM WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH IS MAYBE THE LEGAL
01:17:07PM GUIDELINES BUT PARALLEL, WE COULD JUMP START A QUICK GRANT
01:17:11PM TO THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND BRING THE DESIGN AESTHETIC
01:17:15PM AND THE DESIGN AND VISION ALONG WITH THE LEGAL.
01:17:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
01:17:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU
01:17:24PM ARE SAYING.
01:17:24PM I AM NOT -- DEFINITELY I AGREE.
01:17:27PM I THINK THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE THEY REQUEST ALSO
01:17:29PM COME UP WITH SOME BLOCK.
01:17:34PM MISS FEELEY IS RIGHT.
01:17:35PM WE DON'T WANT 1,000 OF THEM.
01:17:38PM AND JUST TO -- TO, AGAIN, REITERATE.
01:17:41PM THIS IS -- AGGRAVATED YOU SAID, THIS IS THE BEGINNING.
01:17:44PM THE VERY BEGINNING.
01:17:45PM IF IT DOESN'T END UP WORK WIG AUGUST, IT DOESN'T END UP
01:17:49PM WORKING BY AUGUST.
01:17:50PM WE WANT TO START THE PROCESS.
01:17:52PM IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT THAT
01:17:55PM WRITTEN REPORT BECAUSE WE CAN ALL GIVE YOU FEEDBACK FROM
01:17:58PM THAT AND GO FORWARD.
01:17:59PM ARE YOU SURE -- OKAY.
01:18:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
01:18:02PM YES?
01:18:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: ONE MORE QUESTION.
01:18:05PM I HEARD THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AS A VETTING AGENCY.
01:18:08PM WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL.
01:18:10PM WILL IT COME.
01:18:15PM >> WHAT WILL BE THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL.
01:18:18PM THE SU-2 CITY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE 2.
01:18:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY ASSUMPTION.
01:18:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME TO YOU WITH A SPECIAL USE.
01:18:27PM THEN WE CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
01:18:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT THIS.
01:18:30PM WE JUST -- WE -- I WOULD LOOK -- I WOULD LOOK AT BOTH WAYS.
01:18:35PM I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT IT TO COME TO COUNCIL.
01:18:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOK AT WHAT THE CRITERIA LOOKS LIKE.
01:18:41PM LOOK AT THE CRITERIA AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.
01:18:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO THE CDB.
01:18:50PM COUNCIL DEVELOPED A AUTHORITY WITH THE CDB.
01:18:55PM TO TIME LINE IT AND BE CONSISTENT.
01:18:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:19:01PM ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.
01:19:03PM KITCHEN CLOSES AT THE 2:00.
01:19:09PM KITCHEN CLOSES AT 2:00.
01:19:11PM IT WAS UNANIMOUS.
01:19:15PM ALL RIGHT.
01:19:17PM ANY NEW BUSINESS?
01:19:19PM I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE ON THURSDAY, WE WILL ROLL OUT THE
01:19:23PM NEW DIGITAL KIOSK SO PEOPLE WILL BE SIGNING IN VIA THE iPAD.
01:19:27PM SO IT WILL BE -- IT WILL BE WORKING.
01:19:30PM ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS, IF NOT.
01:19:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE QUICK ONE FOR THURSDAY.
01:19:34PM THURSDAY, TWO OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE ARE RELATED TO STORMWATER
01:19:37PM AND STORMWATER PLAN.
01:19:38PM MANY PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED, AND THEY
01:19:41PM WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK BUT WOULD NOT TO WAIT ALL DAY.
01:19:44PM I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK FOR A SPECIAL ONE-TIME EXCEPTION TO
01:19:48PM ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AT 9:00 OR AFTER EACH ITEM TO GET
01:19:53PM THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSES ARE -- GO HOME.
01:19:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS FAIR.
01:19:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SPEAK AT 9:00 -- OPEN IT UP FOR FIRST
01:20:03PM GENERAL COMMENT.
01:20:04PM BUT JUST ON THOSE ITEMS.
01:20:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE WAY WE USED TO HAVE IT.
01:20:08PM SPEAK AT 9:00 OR AFTER EACH ITEM.
01:20:13PM BUSY DEALING WITH INSURANCE.
01:20:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION PER THE WORKSHOP.
01:20:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK: STORMWATER ONLY.
01:20:20PM WHAT NUMBERS --
01:20:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THREE STORMWATER ITEMS.
01:20:24PM ONE THAT TALKS OF WHAT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS WILL BE DONE.
01:20:26PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, OKAY.
01:20:28PM I THINK THAT IS FAIR.
01:20:29PM SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION?
01:20:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL HIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW A ONE
01:20:39PM EXCEPTION FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT 9 A.M.
01:20:42PM THIS THURSDAY AT THE WORKSHOP THEY CAN SPEAK AT 9 OR AFTER
01:20:48PM EACH ITEM.
01:20:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONLY ON WATER SHELBY ONLY ON STORMWATER ISSUE
01:20:54PM IT IS THAT WAS PART OF YOUR MOTION.
01:20:56PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WASN'T PARTED MY MOTION.
01:21:00PM >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU WANT IT TO BE PART OF THE MOTION
01:21:02PM SOMETHING IN.
01:21:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: RELATED TO ONE OF THE ITEMS ONLY THE AGENDA.
01:21:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO OTHER GENERAL COMMENTS OTHER THAN THE
01:21:11PM ITEM ON THE AGENDA. AND A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
01:21:15PM HURTAK.
01:21:15PM IS THAT FINE?
01:21:16PM ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AND OPPOSED?
01:21:20PM >> MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE --
01:21:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM?
01:21:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING ALONG WITH THAT.
01:21:24PM I HAD A VERY LOVELY CONVERSATION WITH BLACK AND VEATCH WHO
01:21:30PM IS DOING THE EVALUATION.
01:21:31PM THEY ARE NOT CALLING IT AN INVESTIGATION BUT CALLING IT AN
01:21:35PM EVALUATION.
01:21:35PM I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM THAT LASTED ABOUT AN
01:21:38PM HOUR.
01:21:38PM IF YOU DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO, AND NOT ON YOUR AGENDA OR
01:21:43PM CALENDAR.
01:21:44PM I HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR REACH OUT TO
01:21:48PM THEM.
01:21:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, MR. CHAIR.
01:21:50PM I BARELY SPOKEN.
01:21:52PM I ENCOURAGE EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL TO SPEAK TO THEM.
01:21:58PM THAT IS SO PIVOTAL.
01:21:59PM I GOT MINE COMING UP.
01:22:01PM WE WORKED THIS OUT WITH THE COUNTY.
01:22:03PM YOU CALLED IT A REVIEW.
01:22:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING.
01:22:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE STATEMENT THING AS AN INVESTIGATION.
01:22:09PM CALL IT WHATEVER.
01:22:10PM BUT WILL FIND OUT WHY WHAT HAPPENED WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT
01:22:13PM WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE TO NOT HAVE IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
01:22:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I OVERWHELMED THEM WITH OVER AN INCH OF
01:22:20PM PAPERWORK THICK.
01:22:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN I MEET WITH THEM.
01:22:24PM I HAVE VERY STRONGLY HELD OPINIONS ON THIS.
01:22:28PM I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE REVIEW OR
01:22:33PM WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS.
01:22:35PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:22:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE, TWO, THREE, FOURTH -- FOURTH THING ON
01:22:40PM THE AGENDA IS TO HAVE A CONSULTANT LAND AND WATER PRESENT ON
01:22:43PM THE UPDATES, AND SPEAKING TO STAFF, THERE IS -- THEY WOULD
01:22:48PM RATHER PLACE ANOTHER CONSULTANT IN THAT PLACE SO THEY MAY
01:22:51PM COME BACK TO US WITH A REPLACEMENT OF IT.
01:22:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:22:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:23:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: FUNNY, I WAS GOING TO ASK THEM TO COME TO CITY
01:23:03PM COUNCIL TO BRIEF US ON EVERYTHING GENERAL.
01:23:05PM SO I WILL BE SPEAKING -- YEAH, JUST --
01:23:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
01:23:10PM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
01:23:10PM SECOND?
01:23:12PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:23:13PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
01:23:14PM BACK AT 5:01 P.M.
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