📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, MAY 28, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:04:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN GUIDO MANISCALCO.
9:04:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IT'S MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME PASTOR KERRY NANCE,
WHO IS A CHAPLAIN WITH TPD.
HE IS NO STRANGER HERE TO CITY HALL, TO CITY COUNCIL.
HE IS RETURNING TODAY TO GIVE THE INVOCATION.
JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PASTOR NANCE, HE'S BEEN MARRIED TO
HIS WIFE AMY SINCE 1993.
THEY HAVE THREE CHILDREN.
BOTH KERRY AND AMY'S FATHERS ARE BAPTIST PASTORS.
HE WAS CALLED TO PREACH AT THE AGE OF 15 AT A CHRISTIAN
SCHOOL RETREAT.
LIKE MY WIFE WHO IS FROM WEST VIRGINIA, HE HAS EXPERIENCE
GOING BACK TO -- FROM WEST VIRGINIA BEGINNING IN 1992.

HE STARTED AT SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, IN
2003 WHERE HE IS CURRENTLY THE PASTOR.
THE SOUTHSIDE BAPTIST CHURCH WAS ORGANIZED IN NOVEMBER 2003.
HE'S BEEN A TPD POLICE CHAPLAIN SINCE 2004.
SO HAPPY 22 YEARS OF SERVICE.
PASTOR NANCE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP TO THE LECTERN,
AND ALL PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION.
9:05:47AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S OPEN IN PRAYER.
OUR FATHER LORD, AS WE COME TO YOU TODAY, LORD, WE'RE SO
GRATEFUL FOR YOU AND FOR YOUR BLESSINGS THAT YOU HAVE
BESTOWED UPON US AND UPON THIS COUNTRY.
LORD, AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS WEEKEND AND MEMORIAL DAY, WE'RE
REMINDED OF THE GREAT PRICE OF FREEDOM AND THE MANY THAT
HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES, LORD, TO STAND ON THE FRONT LINES SO
THAT WE COULD BE HERE TODAY.
BUT LORD, WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE, AND WE
RECOGNIZE, LORD, THAT YOU HAVE BESTOWED GREAT GRACE UPON
THIS COUNTRY AND, LORD, UPON THIS CITY.
LORD, YOU HAVE BLESSED US IN SO MANY WAYS AND WE'RE GRATEFUL
FOR THAT AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT.
LORD, TODAY, AS WE CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THIS CITY, WE DO
THINK OF THOSE, LORD, WHO SERVE ON OUR FRONT LINES AND OUR
POLICE AND FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU MIGHT BLESS THEIR LIVES, THEIR HOMES,

THEIR FAMILIES.
LORD, WE PRAY FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL.
GOD, HOW THEY NEED YOUR HELP.
LORD, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE
THEM.
LORD, AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS, LORD, IT'S NOT JUST THEIR
LIVES BUT, LORD, I KNOW THAT THEY STAND GUARD AND WATCH OVER
THE CITY OF TAMPA IN MANY WAYS.
LORD, WOULD YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM, WOULD YOU GIVE THEM
DISCERNMENT, WOULD YOU HELP THEM PERSONALLY.
WOULD YOU HELP THEM TO KNOW, LORD, THAT THERE IS A GREAT GOD
THAT IS FULL OF WISDOM AND GRACE THAT CAN HELP THEM?
I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD BE WITH OUR MAYOR.
I PRAY YOU OVERSHADOW WITH DECISIONS THAT ARE THERE.
FATHER, WE JUST THANK YOU, LORD, FOR HOW YOU HAVE BEEN A GOD
THAT HAS GIVEN US GRACE AND PROTECTION AND BLESSING AND
LORD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD CONTINUE THAT.
LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE PEACE, LORD, THAT YOU OFFER TO US
THROUGH THE PERSON OF CHRIST.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR BLESSINGS.
IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
9:07:58AM >> AMEN.
9:07:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU LEAD US
IN THE PLEDGE?
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

9:08:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:08:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?
9:08:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:08:19AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:08:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:08:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
9:08:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:08:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:08:25AM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:08:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
ONCE AGAIN, GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME.
THIS IS THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING.
JUST A REMINDER, WORKSHOPS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CITY
COUNCIL MEETINGS.
WE WILL HANDLE EACH ISSUE INDIVIDUALLY.
THEN IF YOU ARE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC AND WISH TO SPEAK TO AN
ITEM ON A WORKSHOP, PUBLIC COMMENT ON EACH ITEM WILL HAPPEN
AFTER THAT ITEM AND IT IS RESTRICTED TO JUST THE ITEMS THAT
WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT DURING THAT WORKSHOP.
NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
JUST ABOUT THE WORKSHOP ISSUES.
ITEM NUMBER 1 IS A CEREMONIAL AND PRESENTATION ACTIVITY.
PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE ROB HENDRICKSON.

HE IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT DISASTER
RECOVERY PROGRAM MANAGER, AND HE WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION.
REMINDER OF COUNCIL AND MAYBE INTRODUCE TO THOSE OF YOU HERE
AND LISTENING THAT ROB IS OUR FACILITATOR FOR OUR CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION.
HE'S DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
THANK YOU.
ROB?
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
9:09:26AM >> ROBERT HENDRICKSON.
I WORK FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR THE KIND WORDS.
9:09:34AM >> DO WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION?
9:09:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S COMING UP.
9:09:40AM >> AS THE CHAIR MENTIONED, MY ROLE WITH THE COUNTY IS THE
CDBG-DR PROGRAM MANAGER.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION IS BRIEF, BUT IT'S MEANT TO REALLY TELL
YOU MORE ABOUT THE GRANT, THE WORK WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE
PARTNERING WITH THE CITY TO REALLY HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO IN JANUARY, WHEN THE COUNTY LEARNED
IT WOULD BE RECEIVING APPROXIMATELY $709 MILLION FROM
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS DISASTER RECOVERY
GRANT, INTENDED, OF COURSE, TO HELP WITH THE RECOVERY FROM

AND TO MITIGATE AGAINST FUTURE IMPACTS RELATED TO THE TWO
STORMS WE SUFFERED IN 2024.
THE GRANT HAS, OF COURSE, STRINGS ATTACHED, RIGHT?
THAT'S NOT A BIG SURPRISE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ALL TO
UNDERSTAND THOSE, ESPECIALLY THE PROGRAM TEAMS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE NEED TO SPEND THESE FUNDS IN ABOUT
FIVE YEARS BY MAY OF 2031.
70% OF THE FUNDS MUST BE EXPENDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF LOW TO
MODERATE INCOME RESIDENTS AND FAMILIES.
WE ALSO CAN USE SOMETHING CALLED URGENT NEED.
BASICALLY, THE LMI PIECE IS ESSENTIAL AND VERY IMPORTANT TO
HUD AND TO OUR EFFORTS.
THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO -- AND I'LL TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE
COMPOSITION OF THE GRANT AND THE PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS --
MUST HAVE DIRECT OR INDIRECT TIEBACKS TO THE STORM OR
MITIGATE AGAINST FUTURE IMPACTS FROM FUTURE STORMS.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT AROUND THIS GRANT IS IF ANY PROJECTS
HAVE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED, THEY ARE BY DEFINITION OFF LIMITS
TO US USING GRANT DOLLARS.
SOMETIMES THESE GRANT DOLLARS ARE CONSIDERED FUNDING OF LAST
RESORT, SO THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
WE WORKED ON AT THE COUNTY AN ACTION PLAN BY WHICH WE REALLY
LOOK AT UNMET NEEDS AND THAT ENDS UP CREATING FOR US
CATEGORIES OF SPEND AND AMOUNTS WE CAN'T SPEND MORE THAN.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A MINUTE.

THAT ACTION PLAN VERY MUCH IS OUR -- IT'S SORT OF OUR
PLAYBOOK FOR MOVING FORWARD AND IT BINDS US TO CERTAIN
ACTIVITIES.
IT IS A REIMBURSEMENT GRANT.
SO WE MAKE SURE WE SPEND MONEY WELL AND THEN WE EVENTUALLY
GO BACK TO HUD TO BE REIMBURSED.
AND, OF COURSE, NOT SURPRISINGLY, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT
COMPLIANCE AND REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
SO WHAT IS OUR APPROACH AROUND WORKING WITH THE CITIES?
WELL, WE ARE, OF COURSE, THE GRANTEE, BUT WE ARE IN THE
PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING FOR ALL OF OUR THREE MUNICIPALITIES
SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN SHARE SOME OF THESE
DOLLARS AND, AGAIN, DO MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SUBRECIPIENTS ARE ESSENTIALLY BOUND BY THE SAME RULES WE
ARE.
WE HAVE CONDUCTED IN-PERSON KICKOFF MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE
CITIES.
AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND ARE NEARING COMPLETION.
ONE OF THE IMPORTANT POINTS TO MAKE IN TERMS OF PROCESS AND
ROLES IS JUST AS OUR COUNTY PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS ALL GO TO
OUR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL, EVENTUALLY
THE PROJECTS THAT THE CITY ENDORSES AND ATTACHES TO ITS
SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT WILL SIMILARLY GO BEFORE THE BOARD
FOR APPROVAL.
I DON'T SUSPECT THERE TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.

WE ACTUALLY BUILT UP A LOT OF GOODWILL AND TRUST WITH OUR
BOARD, BUT THAT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP WHEN WE LOOK AT
TIMELINES AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE GET THESE OVER THE FINISH
LINE.
LASTLY, OUR TEAM IS FULLY COMMITTED TO PRODUCTIVE
PARTNERSHIPS.
I WANT TO THANK MICHAEL PERRY AND HIS ENTIRE TEAM.
THEY HAVE BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF GREAT.
WE'VE BEEN MEETING REGULARLY AND SOME GOOD PROGRESS HAS BEEN
MADE ON THE PROJECTS THE CITY WILL EVENTUALLY PROPOSE.
THANK YOU, MICHAEL AND TEAM.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHERE ALL THAT
709 MILLION IS GOING.
THE MAJORITY OF IT IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, BOTH WHAT WE CALL
MITIGATION AND NON-MITIGATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S GOING TO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND THAT REALLY WILL
BE USED BY THE COUNTY AND THE THREE CITIES.
THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY WILL BE SPENT.
WE ALSO HAVE THREE COUNTY-LED PROGRAMS.
WHEN I SAY COUNTY-LED, IT'S NOT FOR UNINCORPORATED.
IT'S FOR COUNTYWIDE.
THE LARGEST, OF COURSE, AND MY COLLEAGUE AUDREY ZEIGLER WILL
TALK MORE ABOUT THIS, HOUSING PROGRAMS, 211 MILLION FOR
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING PROGRAM WHICH IS 211, THE BIG PIECE.
THEN WE HAVE SMALLER AMOUNTS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND SPECIAL

POPULATION HOUSING.
SO WE ARE RUNNING THAT CENTRALLY AND CONSISTENTLY, BUT AGAIN
IN PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION WITH ALL OF THE CITY'S
PERSONNEL.
WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH.
WE'VE SHARED OUTREACH MATERIALS, AND YOU'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT
THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE.
PUBLIC SERVICE PROGRAMS UNDEFINED AT THE MOMENT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BEST WAYS TO USE THESE DOLLARS.
AND THEN THE LAST IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT THEY
SOMETIMES CALL REVITALIZATION PROGRAMS AND WE'RE EXPLORING
SOME IDEAS THERE.
ONE IDEA THAT'S BEING HATCHED AROUND THAT IS POTENTIALLY
LOOKING AT A WAY TO BRING TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION IN THE
TRADES TO A LOWER INCOME RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THOSE ARE GOOD JOBS BUT THEY ALSO HELP US REACT TO STORMS
WHEN THERE ARE SHORTAGES IN THE LABOR CATEGORIES.
MORE TO COME ON THAT, BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT.
WE DO HAVE PLANNING DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO ALL OF US.
RIGHT NOW NOBODY HAS ASKED FOR THEM OR NEEDED THEM, SO THEY
SIT THERE FOR NOW.
WE BROUGHT ON TWO BIG CONSULTANTS TO HELP US.
MY TEAM IS SMALL.
WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE CORE PEOPLE AND BY EXTENSION A HANDFUL
MORE RUNNING A BIG GRANT FOR $709 MILLION.

SO WE ENLISTED THE SUPPORT OF TWO CONSULTANTS, ERNST AND
YOUNG, WHO IS HELPING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, PROGRAM
MANAGEMENT COMPLIANCE AND SYSTEM OF RECORD.
AND BDO, WHICH IS DEDICATED TO OUR HOUSING PROGRAM.
THAT'S ENDED UP WORKING WELL BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPERTS ON BOTH
SIDES AND THEY ARE HELPING US.
THE POINT AROUND THAT FOR THE ERNST & YOUNG PIECE, OUR TEAM
IS YOUR TEAM.
SAME SET OF RESOURCES AND PEOPLE GOING TO THE MEETINGS WITH
MICHAEL AND HIS TEAM AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE LEVERAGING THE
RESOURCES GOING FORWARD.
IN TERMS OF THE ALLOCATIONS, WE USED THE POPULATION FORMULA
TO BASICALLY SPREAD OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE PORTION OF THE
GRANT ACROSS THE THREE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY WITH
TAMPA AT RIGHT AROUND 80 MILLION AS IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW, AS
I'VE MENTIONED, WHEN YOU GUYS EVENTUALLY CONSIDER YOUR
PROJECTS, A COUPLE OF THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND, ONE IS TO
ALWAYS LEAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA IN CASE THINGS GET MORE
EXPENSIVE BEFORE THE FIVE YEARS ARE UP.
THE ALTERNATIVE CHALLENGE MAY OCCUR, TOO, WHERE YOU HAVE
SOME MONEY TO SPEND IN SHORT ORDER, BUT IT IS A PLANNING
EXERCISE.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THESE DOLLARS?
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE OUR TIMETABLES AND PROJECT SCHEDULES ARE
ACHIEVABLE?

HOW DO WE MAKE SURE OUR ESTIMATES ARE LIBERAL ENOUGH TO
ACCOUNT FOR THE OVERAGES SO WE DON'T GET SURPRISED?
AGAIN, THERE ARE LIMITS TO THE DOLLARS.
YOU CAN'T JUST START TAKING FROM HOUSING AND DROPPING IN
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE.
WE CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT TYPES.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE COUNTY TO GIVE YOU A
SENSE.
WE ALREADY HAD BOARD APPROVAL FOR 175 MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH
OF PROJECTS.
THE VAST MAJORITY ARE -- STANDARD SUPER IMPORTANT PUBLIC
WORKS PROJECT -- STORMWATER PROJECTS, DITCH RESTORATIONS,
CULVERT RENEWALS AND REPLACEMENTS.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME DOLLARS ASSIGNED TO OUR WATER RESOURCES
AREA.
WE HAD A LOT OF LIFT STATION FAILURES DURING THE STORM AND
WE'RE DOING A STUDY THAT MAY END UP CAUSING US TO MAKE MORE
RESILIENT OVER 170 LIFT STATIONS.
PUMP STATION RESILIENCY.
A LOW-PRESSURE SEWER SYSTEM CONVERSION DOWN IN THE GIBSONTON
AREA.
AND WE EVEN HAVE THREE ENVIRONMENTAL LAND RESTORATIONS THAT
ARE MEANT BASICALLY TO HOLD MORE WATER SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT
OUR RESIDENTS AS MUCH.

IN THE ACTION PLAN, IF YOU BECOME CURIOUS, YOU'LL SEE THEY
BREAK INFRASTRUCTURE INTO HOUSING, GENERAL, AND BUSINESS.
REALLY THOSE ARE THREE COLORS OF THE SAME COLOR.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHO IS BENEFITING AND THE SERVICE AREAS
IMPACTED.
AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY COLLEAGUE
AUDREY.
WE HAVE SOME GREAT PROGRESS ALREADY ON A KEY PROGRAM, AND
SHE CAN TELL YOU MORE.
9:17:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
MY NAME IS AUDREY ZEIGLER.
SOCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
AND ALSO THE LEAD FOR ALL THE HOUSING PROGRAM FOR THE
CDBG-DR GRANT.
TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING PROGRAM, WHICH WE ARE CALLING
REBUILDING FOR TOMORROW.
YOU'LL SEE OUR BRANDING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE.
THIS PROGRAM LAUNCHED ON MAY 1st.
WE BEGAN ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS.
AS ROB MENTIONED, THERE'S $211 MILLION DEDICATED TO ASSIST
APPROXIMATELY 1,000 HOMES.
AND THESE ARE NOT RENTERS BUT HAVE TO BE HOMEOWNERS.
THEY HAVE TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED DURING EITHER OF THOSE STORMS

AND CONTINUE TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED CURRENTLY UNLESS THEY WERE
DISPLACED BY STORM DISASTER.
AS LONG AS THEY STILL OWN THE HOME.
WE ALSO WILL BE COVERING MOBILE HOMES AND WE'RE GIVING
PRIORITY TO HOUSEHOLDS WITH INCOME UP TO 80% AMI.
AND WE ARE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR UP TO 120% AMI.
WE'RE JUST PRIORITIZING HOW WE DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY TO THE
LOWER INCOME THRESHOLD FIRST.
WE CANNOT DUPLICATE BENEFITS.
IF A RESIDENT RECEIVED FUNDING FOR THE SAME REPAIR FROM
ANOTHER PROGRAM, FEMA, EVEN A CITY PROGRAM, THAT FUNDING
WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE OVERALL COST AND WHAT THEY WILL BE
GETTING FROM THIS PROGRAM.
ONLINE ELIGIBILITY, INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND THERE IS EXTENSIVE HELP AT COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTERS,
AT A DEDICATED INTAKE SITE AT THE SOLITA'S HOUSE, WHICH THE
ADDRESS IS 1029 EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, AND WE ALSO HAVE A
CALL CENTER AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE COUNTY SOCIAL SERVICES
DEPARTMENT PARTNERED WITH THE CITY'S HOUSING TEAM BACK
DURING THE PANDEMIC FOR THE EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE
PROGRAM.
THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND SEAMLESS TO OUR RESIDENTS.
SO WE'RE PARTNERING WITH YOU ALL AGAIN AND VERY EXCITED TO
OFFER THAT SAME MODEL TO THE CITIZENS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO

NAVIGATE BETWEEN COUNTY AND CITY PROGRAMS.
WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH YOUR HOUSING TEAM, AND WE'RE ALREADY
LOOKING AT THE DUPLICATION OF BENEFITS THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED
AS WELL AS CONTACTING RESIDENTS ON THE LIST WHO APPLIED
AFTER YOU EXHAUSTED ALL YOUR FUNDS.
WE'RE REACHING BACK OUT TO THE RESIDENTS.
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF FUNDING AVAILABLE
FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING REIMBURSEMENT.
UP TO $50,000, MINIMUM OF 10,000.
SO WE KNOW BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IN LAUNCHING THE PROGRAM
OVER TWO YEARS NOW OR ALMOST TWO YEARS, SOME PEOPLE SPENT
THEIR OWN MONEY OUT OF POCKET AND MADE THE RENOVATIONS SO
THEY COULD STAY HOUSED.
IF THEY APPLY AND THEY QUALIFY, WE CAN REIMBURSE SOME OF
THOSE ACTIVITIES AS LONG AS THEY WERE PERMITTED AND THE
HOUSE IS HABITABLE.
THERE IS ALSO A REPAIR CATEGORY UP TO 150,000.
AND THEN THERE IS A RECONSTRUCTION OR REPLACEMENT, AND
THAT'S UP TO 350,000 WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY REBUILD THE HOME
ON THE SAME PROPERTY IF THEY ARE ELIGIBLE.
SOME OF THE STATISTICS SHOW ON THE FAR RIGHT, SINCE WE'VE
LAUNCHED THE PROGRAM A FEW WEEKS AGO, ALREADY HAVE 894
APPLICATIONS.
216 OF THOSE ARE FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE HAVE 104 APPLICATION AND ELIGIBILITY REVIEW AND 16 OF

THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN VISITED FOR A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT.
THE ELIGIBILITY PROCESS WE HAVE STREAMLINED IT AND
SIMPLIFIED IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT HUD IS VERY
COMPLICATED.
RESIDENTS DO HAVE TO PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF DOCUMENTATION TO
VERIFY THEIR INCOME, THAT THEY ARE RESIDENTS AND THAT THEY
DO OWN THE HOME.
PROPERTY TAXES ARE PAID AND WHATNOT.
IT'S A LITTLE CUMBERSOME.
ROB, I THINK WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS AFTER.
9:21:16AM >> ONE MORE SLIDE AND ABSOLUTELY.
9:21:18AM >> I WILL INVITE YOU ALL TO MEET WITH ME, IF ANYBODY WANTS
MORE INFORMATION, COME TO OUR INTAKE CENTER.
HOWEVER I CAN BE OF USE TO YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS, PLEASE
LET ME KNOW.
I'M HAPPY TO HELP.
THANK YOU.
9:21:34AM >> JUST AS A LAST SLIDE, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THIS
INVOLVES AND THE AMOUNT OF UPDATES HUD REQUIRES US TO MAKE,
BASICALLY EVERY SOLICITATION HAS TO HIT THE WEBSITE.
ALL THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
ENDS UP BEING A LIBRARY, ESSENTIALLY.
BECAUSE OF THAT WE INVESTED IN CREATING A STAND-ALONE
CDBG-DR WEBSITE FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY ACROSS, AGAIN,
COUNTYWIDE.

IT COVERS INFORMATION AS AUDREY MENTIONED ABOUT OUR
PROGRAMS.
BUT ONE OF THE FEATURES THAT WE'RE USING AND THAT, OF
COURSE, WILL BE POPULATED WITH YOUR PROJECTS ONCE DEFINED
AND APPROVED, WE HAVE AN INTERACTIVE MAP BY WHICH RESIDENTS
CAN USE THIS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD FEATURE TO SEE THE PROJECTS
THAT ARE PLANNED, CURRENT PHOTOS OF THOSE.
THEY ARE NOT SEXY PHOTOS.
SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A DITCH THAT'S OVERGROWN, BUT STILL
IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE BEFORE BECAUSE LATER WE WILL BE DOING
THE AFTER.
ESTIMATED COST FOR THOSE AND ESTIMATED TIME FRAMES.
SOME OF THE BIGGER PUBLIC FACING MILESTONES THAT MATTER.
IN MY OPINION THAT'S BEEN WORTH EVERY EFFORT WE PUT INTO IT.
AGAIN IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO GET TO THE
INFORMATION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THEM.
WE ALL KNOW FLOODING ISN'T A LOCAL THING.
IT'S REGIONAL.
HOPEFULLY THE COLLECTION OF THESE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITIES
AND THE COUNTY WILL HELP OUR COMMUNITY AT-LARGE SHOULD WE
HAVE TO FACE ANOTHER EVENT.
GOD WILLING WE DON'T.
WITH THAT, I'LL PAUSE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AUDREY OR ME, WE ARE HERE TO
ANSWER THOSE.

9:22:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DOES COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:23:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.
I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS PROGRAM ALREADY BECAUSE I WAS AT THE
FOREST HILLS HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY PARTY AND THEY WERE
TALKING ABOUT THEY HAVE ALREADY STARTED HELPING SOME OF
THEIR RESIDENTS APPLY FOR THIS.
I'M GLAD THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE DOING IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH -- I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE
HOUSING.
BUT MR. BAIRD, I'M SO GLAD YOU STOOD UP, BECAUSE I HAVE A
QUESTION FOR YOU.
MR. BAIRD, BRAD.
9:23:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRAD.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:23:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST CALLED YOUR NAME.
I SAID YOU STOOD UP AT THE RIGHT TIME.
I'M CURIOUS.
DO WE HAVE A LIST OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR?
I'M ASKING YOU BECAUSE I ASSUME A LOT OF THESE ARE VERY
INFRASTRUCTURE HEAVY.
9:23:50AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF
INFRASTRUCTURE.
YES, WE ARE WORKING ON THE LIST.

WE ARE WORKING WITH MR. HENDRICKSON'S TEAM TO FINALIZE THAT
LIST.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERCENTAGE IN
LOW INCOME AREAS AND THE RIGHT PROJECTS THAT QUALIFY.
WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THAT LIST YET.
9:24:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE -- AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO DO THIS
-- TO ASK THAT THE CITY COME BACK WHEN THEY HAVE THAT LIST,
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
I ASSUME THEN BASED ON THE LAST SLIDE WITH THE IN MY
NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO CITY PROJECTS AS WELL.
9:24:39AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
HUNDRED PERCENT.
9:24:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
I'M GOING TO ASK, IF THERE ISN'T A LINK TO THIS ON THE CITY
WEBSITE IN TERMS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WEBSITE, THAT THIS BE
INCLUDED SO THAT OUR CITIZENS CAN EASILY FIND IT SO THAT
THEY CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S COMING TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT THE CITIZENS OR RATHER THAT THIS
LIST, WHEN DO YOU PREDICT THAT THIS LIST FOR THE CITY WILL
BE SOLIDIFIED?
IF YOU COULD COME UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE MICROPHONE IS

IN THE THING.
SORRY.
9:25:20AM >> A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.
THE TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT.
CAROL JOINED THE TEAM AND SHE'S BEEN ASSISTING AS WELL.
THAT'S BEEN GOOD.
I WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY IN A MONTH OR TWO YOU WOULD SEE
SOMETHING.
MIGHT BE AN EARLY DRAFT AND EVENTUALLY VETTED WITH YOU.
IT'S NOT INCOMPLETE.
THEY DO HAVE A GOING IN POSITION ON THESE THINGS WITH
BACKUPS.
THE REASON THE BACKUPS ARE IMPORTANT IS WHEN WE COME UP WITH
THESE, WE ENGAGE WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO REALLY MAKE SURE
THEY CHECK ALL THE BOXES FOR THE GRANT.
AND WE DID THE SAME FOR US.
WHEN THEY LOOK GOOD, THERE'S SOME DOCUMENTATION THAT GOES
ALONG WITH THAT.
EVERYTHING YOU'LL BE DOING IS MIRRORING THE PROCESS WE USE.
THE DOCUMENTATION STANDARDS WE USE.
AGAIN, HUD WILL WANT TO SEE UNIFORMITY AROUND ALL THE
ACTIVITIES WE DO.
MAYBE A MONTH TO TWO.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT TAMPA IS MOVING THE FASTEST OF THE
CITIES.

AT THIS POINT, YOU GUYS MIGHT BE PULLING US INSTEAD OF US
PUSHING YOU, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
9:26:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I'M NOT SURPRISED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE
SUFFERED QUITE A BIT, AS DID THE COUNTY.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE DEFINITELY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO USE THESE
DOLLARS TO HELP OUR CITIZENS.
YEAH, I GUESS MY ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE, EVEN AS SOON AS WE
HAVE A DRAFT, IF THAT COULD COME OUT TO AT LEAST COUNCIL
MEMBERS, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF -- IS THERE SOMEWHERE ON
THE WEBSITE THAT DRAFT AREAS ARE ON OR NO?
9:26:49AM >> NO.
WE WAIT FOR -- IN OUR CASE, WE WAITED FOR OUR BOARD TO
APPROVE SO THAT THEN THERE IS LESS TO PROCEED.
THERE IS STILL -- THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND, I KNOW
I'M JUMPING AHEAD.
RIGHT NOW YOU'RE WAITING FOR A LIST TO APPROVE.
EVEN AFTER IT GETS APPROVED BECAUSE OF SOME OF HUD'S
REQUIREMENTS, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS
THAT I'LL TELL YOU BE PATIENT FOR THE PROCESS.
IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE LONGER FOR YOUR AS OURS.
THOSE ARE ESSENTIAL.
WE DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY DRAFT INFORMATION UP IN CASE IT
CHANGES AND PEOPLE WONDER WHERE IT WENT.
ONCE IT'S APPROVED, WE HAVE A PROCESS TO GET EVERYTHING
LOADED ON THE SITE.

WE'LL SEND PHOTOGRAPHERS OUT.
DO IT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY IN MY MIND.
PUBLIC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BORDERS.
THEY CARE ABOUT VALUE AND HELP.
9:27:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ONCE THOSE PROJECTS, MR. BAIRD, ARE EVEN SORT OF SOLIDIFIED,
I DO THINK AN E-MAIL TO COUNCIL WOULD BE WONDERFUL OR
SOMEHOW TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE SO WE CAN HAVE A
LITTLE BIT OF INPUT.
THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST.
THANK YOU.
9:27:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:27:57AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
ALWAYS NICE TO SEE MR. BAIRD.
ALWAYS A NICE GUY.
ONE OF THE MANY PEOPLE I'VE GOTTEN TO ENJOY KNOWING IN MY
TIME ON COUNCIL.
DECENT PERSON AND JUST GOD BLESS YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT
ISSUE.
COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS, IF I MAY.
YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS.
WHAT IS THE CUT-OFF FOR APPLICATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL
ASSISTANCE?

9:28:21AM >> WE ARE NOT EXPECTING TO CUT OFF THE APPLICATION LIST
UNTIL WE REACH AROUND 3,000.
9:28:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
GREAT.
9:28:28AM >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF BANDWIDTH TO CONTINUE TO ACCEPT
APPLICATIONS.
9:28:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT AGAIN IS THE INCOME THRESHOLD FOR
ELIGIBILITY?
9:28:35AM >> I SHOULD HAVE HAD AN EXAMPLE BUT IT'S 80% AMI.
NEXT TIER IS UP TO 120% AMI.
IT'S VERY GENEROUS.
9:28:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S GOOD.
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, OUR FLOOD HOUSING ASSISTANCE PROGRAM
WAS SOMETHING THAT PRETTY MUCH NOBODY IN THE LOCAL REGIONAL
AREA -- ACTUALLY USE CITY DOLLARS.
I ALWAYS CALLED IT A DOWN PAYMENT FOR SOMETHING BIGGER THAT
WAS COMING TO HELP PEOPLE.
WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE TWO ALLOTTED
PROGRAMS.
THEY REALLY, REALLY HELP PEOPLE A LOT, HELP PEOPLE IN NORTH
TAMPA, HELP PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S DISTRICT.
HE ALWAYS SAYS CORRECTLY WHICH IS THAT A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS
IN SOUTH TAMPA, THERE ARE A LOT OF WORKING CLASS PEOPLE OUT
THERE.

NORTH TAMPA, FOWLER BUSCH COMMUNITY, I ALWAYS CALL THAT THE
WORKING CLASS, BACKBONE OF TAMPA.
THIS GOES TO A LARGER ISSUE WHICH IS WE DON'T WANT THESE
AREAS POST MILTON AND POST HELENE TO BECOME REDEFINED AND TO
HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT ARE SOME OF THE FEWER AREAS WHERE
SOMEBODY MIDDLE CLASS OR WORKING CLASS CAN AFFORD TO MOVE
INTO NOW INTO THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR THESE FOLKS TO BE PRICED
OUT AND THE AFTEREFFECT OF OUR HURRICANES WILL DO THAT IN A
LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES WITHOUT FURTHER INTERVENTION AND
ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO A BIG SHOUT-OUT TO A LOT OF
AREAS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
I THINK $6 MILLION FOR PLANT CITY.
THAT WAS DEVASTATED.
PLANT CITY WAS DEVASTATED, AS WE ALL KNOW.
WE WORKED WITH COMMISSIONER CHRISTINE MILLER WHO REPRESENTS
THAT AREA DIRECTLY.
TOWN N' COUNTRY, I WENT OUT THERE WITH HARRY COHEN, NANCY
MILLAN AND DIFFERENT FOLKS, DEVASTATED.
VERY, VERY TRAGIC.
THIS IS WONDERFUL STUFF.
I APPRECIATE YOUR ALL'S PRESENTATION.
GOVERNMENT DOING WHAT IT SHOULD.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DISAGREEMENTS ON THE ROLE OF
GOVERNMENT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DISAGREE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS

BECAUSE THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED AND IT'S GOOD TO
CONTINUE TO HELP THEM BECAUSE GOD KNOWS THEY NEED IT.
THANK YOU GUYS.
9:30:38AM >> THANK YOU, TOO, FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
AS YOU ARE IN THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU CAN INVITE TO US MEET
WITH LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES OUT THERE, THAT WAY WE CAN SIT IN
REC ROOMS AND HELP PEOPLE APPLY, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO
THAT.
A LOT OF OUTREACH IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO TOO.
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US, WE'LL GO TO THEM.
9:30:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL SET UP A MEETING IN NORTH TAMPA.
SEBASTIAN, LET'S GET WITH THEM AND DO THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH
OR SO.
9:31:05AM >> WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
9:31:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU WANTED THE BEST, YOU GOT THE BEST.
9:31:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:31:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SAME THING AS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WAS
SAYING JUST NOW, PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE -- SOUTH
TAMPA WOULD QUALIFY OR SOUTH OF TAMPA.
THERE ARE OTHERS THROUGHOUT WHERE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN THE
SAME HOMES MULTIPLE GENERATIONS.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME FOLKS ALONG THE COAST ON THE WEST COAST
THAT GOT HIT REALLY HARD.
I'M HAPPY TO SET UP ANY KIND OF MEETINGS, ASK MY AIDE TO
MAYBE HELP SET UP A MEETING AT THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.

THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE GO TO GET HURRICANE SUPPLIES AND OTHERS.
IN PARTICULAR, TARGET THE PORT TAMPA AREA THAT WAS REALLY
HARD HIT.
THERE IS HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THERE MADE UP
OF THE DESCENDANTS OF THE LONGSHOREMEN WHO USED TO WORK IN
THE PORT WHEN IT WAS OVER THERE.
MANY OF THEM HAVE OWNED THEIR HOMES THREE OR FOUR
GENERATIONS AND DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE AND WERE HIT REALLY
HARD.
I ALSO HAVE A CONSTITUENT WHO HAS A SON WHO IS DISABLED.
DURING THE STORM, SHE HAD LIKE SEVEN FEET OF WATER COME
THROUGH THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF HER HOUSE WHERE HER SON WAS IN
-- HAD ALL OF HIS SPECIAL EQUIPMENT FOR HIS DISABILITIES.
SHE HAD TO IN THE RAIN TAKE HIM AND CARRY HIM UPSTAIRS,
OUTSIDE TO GET HIM OUT OF DANGER.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE
DISABLED KIDS OR DISABLED FAMILY MEMBERS?
9:32:32AM >> WE'LL WORK THROUGH IT.
9:32:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:32:35AM >> PLEASE DO INVITE US.
PEOPLE ARE FATIGUED OF GETTING A PHONE NUMBER, A LINK,
APPLICATION.
THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED.
IT'S ABOUT TWO YEARS.
IF WE CAN MEET WITH THEM ONE ON ONE AND EXPLAIN HOW THE

PROCESS IS GOING TO GO, I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY AND
WE'LL BE ABLE TO APPROVE.
NOTHING GOOD COME SITTING ON $211 MILLION WITH ALL THE NEED
OUT THERE.
PLEASE INVITE US.
9:32:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
VERY GOOD.
ITEM NUMBER 2.
9:33:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA FIRST?
9:33:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MR. PERRY.
ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
9:33:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I SAY I LOOKED AGAIN THIS MORNING AND
THIS ITEM DID NOT HAVE ANY BACKUP, UNLESS MY COMPUTER WAS
ACTING UP?
9:33:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ITEM NUMBER 2.
WHOEVER'S PHONE IS GOING OFF, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR PHONE IS
SILENCED.
9:33:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO
ABOUT ITEMS WITHOUT BACKUP.
UNLESS SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH MY COMPUTER, I DIDN'T SEE
ANYTHING IN BACKUP FOR THIS ONE.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AND THE PUBLIC TO SEE THINGS IN
ADVANCE.

THE OTHER ONE IS NUMBER 7.
LAST WEEK, WE IN GOOD FAITH SCHEDULED THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT THE NEXT DAY THE RAYS SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
NEGOTIATE ANYMORE.
I THINK WE SHOULD CANCEL THAT.
IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE, THEN WE
SHOULD.
ALSO A MISCHARACTERIZATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE MEDIA I
THINK PARTLY PUSHED BY THE ADMINISTRATION, CITY COUNCIL
COULD HAVE CONTACTED US AT ANY TIME TO GET A BRIEFING.
MY COMMENTS WERE NOT ABOUT GETTING A BRIEFING.
IT WAS ABOUT BEING INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATION.
THE CRA IN PARTICULAR, THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY OFFERED BY
THE ADMINISTRATION, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS NO LEGAL
AUTHORITY TO NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF OF THE CRA BOARD AND THEY
DIDN'T ASK OUR PERMISSION TO DO IT.
I TALKED TO THE RAYS ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH ON FRIDAY, BUT I
THINK WE SHOULD JUST CANCEL THIS UNTIL THE ADMINISTRATION
AND/OR THE RAYS DECIDE THEY WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH US,
ESPECIALLY SITTING AS A CRA BOARD.
BECAUSE OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE GOVERNOR YESTERDAY IT MAY
BE MOOT ANYWAY.
I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
I WOULD MOVE TO REMOVE NUMBER 7.
9:34:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM 7 FROM THE

AGENDA.
SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING ITEM 7 FROM THE
AGENDA, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
ANY OTHER CHANGES?
9:35:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING.
9:35:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
MR. PERRY.
9:35:26AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GOOD MORNING, MIKE PERRY, DEPUTY CFO.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT MR. ROGERO IS FEELING UNDER THE WEATHER
THIS MORNING.
YOU'LL GET THE SECOND TEAM HERE.
MAY I HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE?
9:35:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S UP.
9:35:39AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THE
PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU.

AGAIN, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS FOR INVITING US TO PRESENT THE
MIDYEAR REVIEW.
THIS IS THE FINANCIAL POSITION OF THE CITY AS OF MARCH
31st, 2026.
WE TYPICALLY DO THIS.
WE'D LIKE TO HEAR ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT
YOU HAVE THEM NOW OR MS. KOPESKY, JUST ASK US.
WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THE
QUESTIONS.
THE PRESENTATION WILL BE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
WE'LL START AN OVERALL REVIEW OF THE CITY BUDGET.
2026, $1.9 BILLION.
IT'S CONSISTING PRIMARILY OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDS.
PRIMARILY THE BIG ONE IS THE GENERAL FUND AND THE SECOND
ELEMENT IS THE ENTERPRISE FUND.
WE TYPICALLY TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT.
THE GENERAL FUND IS $708 MILLION AND THE ENTERPRISE
$813.8 MILLION.
PRIMARY REASON THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE LARGER IS BECAUSE OF
THE LARGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
TOGETHER, THESE FUNDS MAKE UP 75% OF THE CITY'S ADOPTED NET
BUDGET.
BREAKING IT DOWN FURTHER, YOU SEE THE GENERAL FUND ON THE
RIGHT AT $708 MILLION.
THE LARGEST COMPONENT OF THAT IS PUBLIC SAFETY.

TPD AND TFR FOLLOWED BY GENERAL GOVERNMENT, PARKS AND REC,
AND THEN FINALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WASTEWATER,
IN DESCENDING SIZE, INCLUDING THE GOLF COURSES.
SO WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND NOW.
THE LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE IN THE GENERAL FUND IS, OF
COURSE, PROPERTY TAXES.
WE ARE SHOWING TO HAVE A NET INCREASE IN -- ESTIMATED NET
REVENUES OF ABOUT $4 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH IS
TYPICALLY BECAUSE WE ONLY BUDGET 95% OF THE PROPERTY TAXES,
WHATEVER WE CALCULATE.
ACCOUNT FOR EARLY PAYMENTS AND/OR FEES COLLECTED BY
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX, CONTINUING TO SEE A DECREASE IN
HALF-CENT SALES TAX.
WE'RE JUST SEEING GENERAL DECREASES IN VARIOUS COMMODITIES
WITHIN THE COUNTY.
BUILDING INVESTMENTS DOWN ABOUT 11%.
BUSINESS INVESTMENT DOWN 19%.
OTHER DURABLES ARE DOWN ABOUT 4%.
TOURISM IS ABOUT DOWN 4% AND -- DOWN ABOUT 13%.
THIS IS DRAGGING DOWN THE AMOUNT OF HALF CENT SALES TAX
WHICH THE CITY IS COLLECTING.
ELECTRIC FRANCHISE AND UTILITY FEES.
THIS INCLUDES A SPECIAL SURCHARGE THAT TECO IS ALLOWED --

RECOVERY FROM HELENE AND MILTON.
I DO BELIEVE THEIR AUTHORITY EXPIRES IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THE REVENUES WILL COME ON DOWN TO OUR
NATURAL GROWTH PATTERN.
COMMUNICATION SERVICES TAXES, JUST TO REMIND YOU AT ONE TIME
WE WERE COLLECTING $30 MILLION A YEAR IN CST.
FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, THANK YOU, INTERVENED.
AT LEAST WE ARE STEADY ABOUT 17, 18 MILLION DOLLAR AMOUNT.
PERSONNEL COSTS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO COME
IN UNDER BUDGET BY ABOUT $6 MILLION AS OF MARCH 31st.
SO WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH THERE.
GENERAL FUND OPERATING, AGAIN, PROJECTED TO COME IN UNDER
BUDGET BY ABOUT $6 MILLION.
WE'RE PROJECTED TO MAINTAIN OUR 23% FUND BALANCE AT THE END
OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT ACCORDING TO POLICY IS TO MAINTAIN A
FUND BALANCE AT 20% OF ACTUAL EXPENDITURES.
WE LIKE TO KEEP AT THE 23% LEVEL IN CASE WE FACE UNKNOWN
CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE FUTURE.
AGAIN, WE LOOK AT WHAT WE ENCOUNTERED DURING COVID.
WE SAW LOSS OF REVENUES PRIMARILY IN THE CONVENTION CENTER
AND OTHER AREAS AND WE WERE ABLE TO AT LEAST TAP INTO THAT
FUND BALANCE THAT WE NEEDED TO.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU LOOK, HELPED US MAINTAIN THAT
FUND BALANCE.

IN '22 AND '21 AND EVEN IN '20, 28, 27, AND 24 PERCENT.
SO THE FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH ARP AND
THE CARES ACT HELPED US SIGNIFICANTLY.
BEFORE I MOVE ON, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING
THE GENERAL FUND?
9:40:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW WHOSE LIGHT WAS FIRST.
HURTAK, CARLSON, MANISCALCO.
9:40:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GOING TO PAGE 7, GENERAL FUND REVENUE
PROPERTY TAX.
THAT'S GOING UP, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE GOVERNOR HAS JUST SAID
YESTERDAY THAT HE WANTS TO REDUCE THAT I BELIEVE BY 90% --
92%, YEAH.
92% REDUCTION WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, LEAVE US WITH $30
MILLION?
9:41:34AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I THINK WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS RECOMMENDING
IS TO INCREASE THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FROM THE CURRENT
$50,000 PER HOME UP TO $250,000.
WHILE THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR REVENUES AND WE'RE
STILL CALCULATING THAT IMPACT, BECAUSE WE JUST -- JUST LIKE
IT WAS RELEASED TO THE PRESS, WE JUST GOT THAT YESTERDAY.
IT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
NOT AS MUCH AS 92% OF THE IMPACT.
DON'T FORGET, NOT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER HAS HOMESTEAD.
IT'S REALLY THE MIX BETWEEN THE HOMESTEAD AND THE
NON-HOMESTEAD AND WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS PROPOSING IS TO GO

AHEAD AND JUST AFFECT THE HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES.
9:42:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OF THE GENERAL FUND, HOW MUCH CURRENTLY GOES
TO PUBLIC SAFETY?
9:42:25AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IF I MAY HAVE THE PRESENTATION GO BACK,
PLEASE.
I'LL REFER BACK TO IT ON THE SLIDE.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT, PUBLIC SAFETY IS 60% OF THE GENERAL
FUND AT $427.4 MILLION.
9:42:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
IT'S 60% OF THE GENERAL FUND AT 428.
OKAY.
ON PAGE 8, THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES FOR THE HALF-CENT SALES
TAX, YOU HAD A REALLY LOVELY LIST OF THE REDUCTIONS.
YOU READ THEM OFF.
COULD WE GET A COPY OF THAT?
9:43:13AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I CAN SEND IT IN AN E-MAIL.
9:43:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AND GREAT TO PUT IT
IN OnBase SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT.
9:43:20AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, WE'LL POST THIS ON THE BUDGET
OFFICE'S WEBSITE.
9:43:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
EXCELLENT.
BUT THAT LIST OF THE REDUCTIONS, LIKE, I NEED TO THINK ABOUT
THAT AND YOU RATTLED THEM OFF PRETTY QUICKLY.
THOSE AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, I WOULD
REALLY LOVE THAT.

AND THEN PAGE 12, DO WE HAVE A PREDICTION OR AN ESTIMATE IN
THE IMPACT OF THE INCREASE OF FUEL PRICES?
9:43:53AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A MILLION
DOLLARS FOR TPD.
WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO CITY COUNCIL DURING THE JUNE 18
MEETING A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION INCREASING TPD'S FUEL BY
ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
AGAIN, WE'RE MONITORING THAT BECAUSE FUEL PRICE ON MONDAY
WAS 4.59.
THIS MORNING IT WAS 4.34.
IT IS FLUCTUATING.
9:44:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE LIKE A CONTRACT FOR
FUEL WITH OTHER PORTIONS, LIKE FACILITY AND MAINTENANCE.
DOES THAT COVER THIS?
IS THAT COVERED OR NO?
9:44:38AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
OUR CONTRACT FUEL DELIVERY, BECAUSE WE HAVE FUELING SITES AT
EACH OF THE FLEET, SO THEY GET BULK FUEL LOADS.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THAT.
AND TPD, SINCE WE DON'T WANT THE OFFICERS COMING IN OUT OF
THEIR PATROL AREA, THEY HAVE CREDIT CARDS, AND THEY CAN GO
AHEAD AND USE A CREDIT CARD TO GO AND PURCHASE FUEL.
BECAUSE WE ARE A CITY GOVERNMENT, WE DON'T PAY ANY TAXES ON
THE FUEL.
SO WHILE YOU MAY SEE FUEL AT 4.50, WE MAY BE PAYING ABOUT

FOUR DOLLARS.
9:45:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
I THINK THAT'S VALUABLE.
YOU SAID THAT'S COMING BACK TO US IN JUNE.
9:45:22AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, MA'AM.
9:45:24AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN YOU BRING THAT BACK, IS THERE A WAY THAT
YOU CAN ALSO BRING BACK TO LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER
DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO INCREASE THEIR FUEL
COSTS?
9:45:34AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WILL DO.
OF COURSE, WE PROVIDE MONTHLY REPORTS.
ON THOSE MONTHLY REPORTS, WE IDENTIFY THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT
MAY NEED A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION.
MY GOVERNMENTAL AREA ONLY TPD IS THE ONE WE'RE CONCERNED
WITH AT THIS TIME.
9:45:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
THANK YOU.
9:45:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:45:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AT THE BEGINNING YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD ASK
THE PEOPLE TO PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE.
CAN YOU MAKE SURE, TO BE SPECIFIC, MAKE SURE IT'S PUT IN
OnBase SO FOLKS CAN SEE IT?
9:46:09AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL DO WITH THE CLERKS
IS SEND THEM A COPY OF THIS TO PUT IN THE MINUTES, SIR.
9:46:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WON'T PUT YOU ON THE SPOT NOW, BUT IF YOU

HAVE ADVICE ON HOW WE CAN SCHEDULE THESE THINGS SO WE CAN
GET THESE DOCUMENTS IN OnBase BY FRIDAY, THAT WOULD BE
HELPFUL SO THAT WE AND THE PUBLIC CAN SEE THEM.
MAYBE YOU COULD TELL US OFF LINE IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON
THAT.
GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK SAID ABOUT THE
PROPOSAL OF THE GOVERNOR, IT'S HOMESTEAD PROPERTY ONLY.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY TAXES WE COLLECT
ARE HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES?
9:46:48AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR.
9:46:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU GET THAT, WOULD YOU MIND SETTING IT
TO US SO WE CAN DO BEHIND THE NAPKIN CALCULATIONS?
THE OTHER THING, IT WILL BE A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
PEOPLE WILL VOTE ON, HE ALSO SAID HE WON'T LET LOCAL
GOVERNMENTS INCREASE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAXES TO MAKE IT
UP.
9:47:08AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I LEAD IT, TOO, SIR.
9:47:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH.
ANYWAY, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ON ONE HAND -- WE HAVE PAGES OF
FEES WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT THERE'S NO APPETITE TO RAISE
PROPERTY TAXES OVERALL ANYWAY.
YOU MENTIONED -- NOT ON THE SLIDE, BUT YOU MENTIONED SOME OF
THE CHANGES IN THE ECONOMICS OF TAMPA.
SOME OF THE GOODS THAT ARE BEING SOLD, THE NUMBERS ARE
COMING DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET A CHART ON THAT?
SOME OF THE NUMBERS YOU RATTLED OFF, DOWN 4%, DOWN 5%, THOSE
ALMOST GO INTO THE CALCULATION YOU USE.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT ECONOMIC INDICATORS YOU'RE
LOOKING AT AND POST ANSWERS, POST ON OnBase AS WELL.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TECO,
AND WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE TECO BUT WE DO ON
PAGE 9 HAVE THE FRANCHISE FEE THAT WE'RE CHARGING.
IS IT USUALLY 6% OR SOMETHING?
9:48:15AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WE HAVE THE UTILITY FRANCHISE FEE WHICH I
DO BELIEVE IS 10% OF THE UTILITY TAX 6%.
9:48:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FRANCHISE FEE HAS GONE UP BY $4 MILLION.
ONE THING WE DO HAVE DIRECT IMPACT ON IS THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN RENEGOTIATE WITH THEM.
I'LL LET COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK LEAD ON THIS, BUT WE MIGHT
WANT TO -- IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THEM OR MAYBE VOLUNTARILY,
NOT COLLECT PART OF THE FRANCHISE FEE IF WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE
ARE BEING HURT BY UTILITY FEES.
BUT OUR $4 MILLION IS A PART OF IT.
THE ONE AREA WE DO HAVE DIRECT IMPACT ON IS THE $4 MILLION.
MAYBE WE WOULD PUT A CAP ON IT AND SAY ABOVE A CERTAIN
PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN A YEAR, WE WOULD NOT COLLECT A
FRANCHISE FEE ANYMORE JUST TO PROTECT THE CONSUMERS FROM
HAVING HIGH RATES.
OTHER THING IS ON PAGE 13, YOU TALK ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE.

JUST A REMINDER, WE AT CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2019 PUSHED TO
INCREASE THE FUND BALANCE THAT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION
RAIDED.
CAN WE GO TO PAGE 13?
9:49:23AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN WE PUT THE PRESENTATION BACK ON THE
SLIDE, PLEASE?
9:49:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO, WE KNEW BACK IN 2019 THAT POTENTIALLY A
RECESSION OR SOMETHING WAS COMING.
WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT COVID BACK AT THAT TIME.
BUT WE PUSHED AND YOUR DEPARTMENT AGREED TO TRY TO CONSERVE
MONEY.
THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH 28, 27 PERCENT BECAUSE WE WERE
HEAVILY CONSERVING.
ALSO A LOT OF GOVERNMENT GRANTS THAT CAME IN AT THAT TIME.
YOU SEE THE FUND BALANCE WAS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 80
SOMETHING MILLION I THINK AT THAT TIME.
I THINK THE NUMBER IS SUPPOSED TO BE LESS.
ANYWAY, NOW THE NUMBER OVERALL HAS GONE UP.
FINALLY WE CAUGHT UP WITH 2011.
BUT IN THE TOTAL NUMBER, PERCENTAGE IS 23 PERCENT.
MR. ROGERO CONFIRMED THE LAST MEETING NOW THE EXPECTATION OF
THE BOND MARKETS IS THAT WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 23%.
SO THE 3% REALLY ISN'T A SLUSH FUND.
I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK WE CAN RAID THE MONEY.
WORST-CASE SCENARIO WE CAN, BUT THE BOND MARKETS LIKE

CONSISTENCY.
YOU SEE FOR FOUR, FIVE YEARS NOW, WE'VE HAD CONSISTENCY AT
23%.
WE KNOW IT'S A MINIMUM OF 20%.
JUST TO SAY THAT 3% IS ONLY LIKE WORST-CASE SCENARIO,
CORRECT?
9:50:42AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, WE NEVER KNOW.
WE NEVER KNOW WHAT'S AROUND THE CORNER.
AGAIN, COVID AFFECTED US.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO HIT A RECESSION.
WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY LUCKY IN NOT HITTING RECESSIONARY TIMES
FOR A SIGNIFICANT LONG AREA.
9:50:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE KNOW BOND RATINGS HAVE GONE UP SINCE
2019.
9:51:01AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR AND THANK YOU.
9:51:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THOSE.
THAT'S BEEN A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN YOUR OFFICE AND COUNCIL.
ALSO, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE?
ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP IN A DIFFERENT WAY IN THE LAST
PRESENTATION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WAS THAT IN SOME AREAS,
THE REVENUES HAVE GONE UP 50 MILLION BUT COSTS ONLY WENT UP
BY 46 MILLION.
WE COMPLAINED THAT WE WERE NOT TOLD THAT 46 MILLION WAS
COMING OUT OF NEW REVENUES.
SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS CHART, MOST

COMPANIES WILL SHOW EXPENDITURES VERSUS ACTUAL -- SORRY,
PROJECTED VERSUS ACTUAL.
AND ON PAGE 11, COULD YOU GO BACK TO PAGE 11 ALSO -- GOOD TO
HAVE BUDGET VERSUS ACTUAL ALSO.
9:51:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
9:51:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OPERATING EXPENSES AND PERSONNEL EXPENSES TO
KNOW WHAT BUDGET VERSUS ACTUAL WAS.
BECAUSE IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW, IF THE REVENUES WENT UP
AND ADMINISTRATION SPENT MONEY AND MIGHT HAVE EVEN GOTTEN
APPROVAL, THEY DIDN'T TELL US IT WAS COMING OUT OF NEW
REVENUES, SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIX THE GAP.
I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT AND CITY COUNCIL HAS RIGHT
TO KNOW IT IS NEW REVENUES SPENDING AND NOT EXISTING
REVENUES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:52:21AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, DID YOU WANT TO
SPEAK?
9:52:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
REAL QUICK.
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK ASKED A FEW OF MY QUESTIONS.
45.3 MILLION TO 42.6 ANTICIPATED IN THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX
THAT DROP THERE, IS IT BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL --
9:52:36AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
VARIOUS THINGS.
I CAN GO BACK OVER THAT IF YOU WANT TO OR SEND IT IN AN
E-MAIL.
9:52:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
E-MAIL IS FINE.

IN REGARDS TO THE COMMUNICATION SERVICES TAX, WHEN I FIRST
GOT HERE, I SAW IT WAS A TREMENDOUS DROP.
SEEMS TO PLATEAUED NOW.
9:52:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR.
9:52:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD TO SEE.
IN REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY TAX ISSUE, I REMEMBER MAYBE 2018
WHEN THERE WAS A THIRD HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION PUT ON THE BALLOT
THAT FAILED.
I THINK THE HIT TO THE CITY AT THE TIME I BELIEVE WAS $6
MILLION ANTICIPATED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE THIS TIME AROUND, BUT
BACK THEN IT WAS THAT NUMBER.
IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:53:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
APPRECIATE IT.
YES, SIR, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 7, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS
CORRECT BY ME.
GENERAL FUND REVENUE PROPERTY TAX OF ALL COLLECTED IN THE
CITY OF TAMPA EQUALS 384 MILLION, AM I CORRECT?
9:53:32AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, WE'RE PROJECTING 384.
9:53:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S TOTAL COLLECTION OF THE WHOLE CITY
OF TAMPA.
9:53:35AM >> CORRECT.
9:53:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND COMPARE THAT WITH

GENERAL FUND EXPENSES OF PUBLIC SAFETY ONLY, POLICE AND
FIRE, AM I CORRECT?
9:53:43AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
9:53:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
$427 MILLION.
WE'RE 43.8 MILLION SHORT AS IT IS TODAY PRESENTLY WITHOUT
ANY INTERFERENCE AND REDUCTION OF ANY COSTS -- OR
COLLECTIONS.
9:53:56AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GOOD ASSUMPTION.
9:53:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE'RE SHORT $443.8 MILLION TOTAL, 427.
9:54:08AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAVEAT, DON'T USE THE WORD SHORT.
9:54:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
UNCOLLECTIBLE FUNDS WE CAN'T PAY.
9:54:15AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
-- PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT OF THE GENERAL
FUND BUDGET.
9:54:18AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT MEANS THAT SOMEHOW, SOMEWHERE, THIS
GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION, THE COUNCIL, WE
HAVE TO LEVERAGE OUT WHERE WE FIND THAT MONEY TO MAKE IT
EVEN SO WE CAN MAKE THE SAME 384 MILLION COLLECTIBLE OUT OF
THE MONIES WE HAVE LEFT OVER.
9:54:37AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
RIGHT.
9:54:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOW ADDITIONAL THING BY GRACIOUS GOVERNOR
SAYING THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
I WANT TO THANK HIM VERY MUCH FOR JUST NOT CONTINUING --
POLICE AND FIRE.
IN TOTAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

9:54:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUNG, VIERA, CARLSON.
9:54:55AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
CLARIFYING QUESTION.
PAGE 12, DID I HEAR YOU SAY WE'RE EXPECTED TO COME IN UNDER
BUDGET BY 6 MILLION?
GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES, OPERATING COST, PAGE 12.
9:55:07AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN I HAVE THE SLIDE BACK UP?
YES.
WE BUDGETED $133 MILLION AND WE'RE PROJECTING TO COME IN
ABOUT 127.9 AT THIS TIME.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE EXTRA MONEY MADE FOR THE FUEL.
9:55:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
9:55:27AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANTED DISCUSSIONS ON THE PROPERTY TAX
ISSUE.
FOR ME IT'S AN AWFUL, AWFUL, AWFUL IDEA TO INCREASE OUR
EXEMPTION.
I THINK IT IS 20 TIMES, IF MY MATH IS NOT WRONG, FROM WHAT
IT IS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT MY UNDERSTANDING, AT LEAST PAST
PROPOSALS FLOATED, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T REDUCE THEIR
PUBLIC SAFETY SPENDING.
AS WE KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A GROWING CITY, IF YOU KEEP THE
POLICE AND FIRE BUDGET THE SAME IN YEAR ONE AND GO FORWARD
TO YEAR FIVE, GROWING CITY, PER PERSON, PER CAPITA, NOT TO
INCLUDE INFLATION, PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGET IS ACTUALLY REDUCED.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING A LOT TO OUR PUBLIC

SAFETY UNIONS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THEIR MEMBERS AND
WORKERS IN GENERAL PUBLIC SAFETY ON THIS ISSUE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO A VERY DIVERSE COALITION AGAINST THIS.
I ALWAYS SAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES YOU HAVE TO MEND IT BUT NOT
END IT.
AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD IN EFFECT END IT EVENTUALLY FOR 90,
95 PERCENT OF FLORIDIANS.
GOSH ALMIGHTY I THINK WHEN MOST FOLKS TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR
CHALLENGES ON AFFORDABILITY IN FLORIDA, HEALTH INSURANCE,
CAR INSURANCE, DIFFERENT ISSUES, NOT NECESSARILY PROPERTY
TAXES FOR MOST FOLKS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PROPERTY TAXES
FUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS, COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS.
I DO LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION, INCLUDING THE
INPUT OF A LOT OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY WORKERS.
THANK YOU.
9:56:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:56:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO THINGS.
PAGE 4, KIND OF WHAT MY LAST TWO COLLEAGUES WERE SAYING,
THERE IS A PIE CHART OF ALL THE EXPENSES.
9:57:07AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN WE HAVE THAT BACK ON THE --
9:57:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOME OF THESE WILL BE COVERED IN THE NEXT
SECTION.
TO FURTHER THAT ARGUMENT THAT WAS JUST BEING MADE, CAN YOU
TELL US WHAT PORTION OF THIS IS JUST PROPERTY TAX MONEY?
9:57:31AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OF THE $708 MILLION, I THINK PROPERTY TAXES

-- LET ME LOOK HERE.
9:57:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NON-CRA IS LIKE 400 AND SOMETHING.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED IT UP LATELY.
9:57:45AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
PROPERTY TAX ABOUT $380 MILLION OF PROPERTY
TAXES.
9:57:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S NON-CRA.
9:57:54AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO.
THAT INCLUDES THE CRA.
9:57:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CRA IS ABOUT A 100.
280 SOMETHING.
9:58:00AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IN 2026, THE CITY CONTRIBUTED, I THINK, $58
MILLION, PLUS OR MINUS, TO THE CRAs.
9:58:09AM >>BILL CARLSON:
LET'S SAY 300.
AND JUST PUBLIC SAFETY, WHERE IS THE NUMBER?
PUBLIC SAFETY IS 427.
SO THAT WAS THE POINT.
JUST TO REITERATE TO THE PUBLIC, I WISH WE COULD CHANGE THE
LINE ITEM ON PROPERTY TAX TO CALL IT PUBLIC SAFETY FUNDING
BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS.
THE FLORIDA CFO IS GOING AROUND SAYING, IT'S NOT TRUE WE
HAVE TO CUT POLICE AND FIRE.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE RIGHT NOW.
SHORT 30 MILLION OR SO DOLLARS ON PROPERTY TAXES.
WE HAVE TO FILL IT IN THROUGH OTHER THINGS.
WE HAVE FIRE TRUCKS THAT ARE 20 YEARS OLD.

ANY CUT, IF WE CUT THAT BY, IF THE ONE BEFORE WAS $6 MILLION
CUT AND WE END UP CUTTING $50 MILLION, 50 MILLION OUT OF 300
FOR POLICE AND FIRE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS, BETTER FIRE TRUCKS, WE NEED
MORE FIRE RESCUE PEOPLE, WE NEED FIRE RESCUE VEHICLES.
WE NEED BETTER FACILITIES.
SO THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
IN THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT BASEBALL, PEOPLE WERE SAYING,
WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO STUPID THAT YOU CAN'T PAY FOR THIS?
ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE HAVE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
VIK BHIDE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SAID, IF I REMEMBER
CORRECTLY, THAT THE BUDGET FOR ROAD REPAIRS SHOULD HAVE BEEN
AROUND 50 MILLION A YEAR AND WE WERE SPENDING 4.
TOTAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON ROADS ALONE WAS LIKE $2
BILLION.
AND THEN AS WE SAW WITH THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, DEFERRED
MAINTENANCE, NOT OUR FAULT.
IT WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNER'S FAULT.
BUT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON OTHER THINGS, TOO.
I WAS ASKING HAGAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.
I CAN'T FIND IN THE NUMBERS.
SHE WAS GOING TO LOOK.
I JUST ASKED HER YESTERDAY.
HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET THE ANSWER.
IS THERE AN EASY WAY TO FIND ALL THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IN

THE CITY?
BECAUSE IF JUST ROAD REPAIR IS 2 BILLION AND THERE ARE ALL
THESE OTHER AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, IT
PROBABLY ADDS UP TO 8 OR $10 BILLION IN DEFERRED
MAINTENANCE.
SOMEBODY COMES ALONG AND SAYS, WELL, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IT
SPEND ANOTHER HUNDRED MILLION ON SOMETHING -- HUNDRED
MILLION OR BILLION ON SOMETHING, WE ALREADY HAVE A BACK LOG
OF 8 OR $10 BILLION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DEFER.
CAN'T RAISE TAXES, CAN'T TAKE ON MORE DEBT.
THE MAYOR MAXED OUT THE CREDIT CARDS.
WE CAN'T EVEN PAY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY RIGHT NOW WITH ALL OF
OUR PROPERTY TAXES.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT OUR TOTALED DEFERRED
MAINTENANCE IS ON EVERYTHING.
10:00:41AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO JEAN DUNCAN AND EACH
OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
10:00:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I CAN MAKE A MOTION IN NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT
ABOUT THAT ALSO.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW.
I THINK MOST BUSINESSES KEEP TRACK OF WHAT THEY NEED TO
SPEND.
IF YOU ARE A HOMEOWNER AND YOUR AIR-CONDITIONER IS ABOUT TO

GO OUT, YOU KNOW YOU'LL NEED TO SPEND 15, 20 GRAND, WHATEVER
IT IS.
BUT HOLD OUT A LITTLE WHILE, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO
SPEND IT.
IF YOU DECIDE, HEY, MAYBE IT WILL LAST FOREVER AND TAKE A
VACATION FOR 20 GRAND, THEN YOU WON'T HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR
THE AIR-CONDITIONER WHEN IT GOES OUT.
WE CAN'T DEFER ALL THE MAINTENANCE FOREVER.
THANK YOU.
10:01:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU HAVE YOUR
LIGHT ON?
10:01:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I'M SORRY.
10:01:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:01:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S REALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ELEPHANT
WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY TAX.
RIGHT NOW, THE GOVERNOR IS LOOKING AT BASICALLY DOUBLING THE
EXEMPTION TO 500,000.
THAT'S WHAT I READ.
10:01:44AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO, MA'AM.
CURRENTLY 50,000.
RECOMMENDING TO GO TO 250,000.
10:01:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
250.
EITHER WAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT AND WHAT THAT
WILL AFFECT I BELIEVE IS A LOT OF THE CRAs AND THE CRA
FUNDING.

DO WE HAVE -- LIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON THAT?
10:02:07AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AT THIS POINT, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY
CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION ON THAT.
IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PLAY WHAC-A-MOLE WITH WHAT THE GOVERNOR
IS DOING.
OF COURSE, HE WAITED UNTIL THE VERY LAST MINUTE TO MAKE THIS
PROPOSAL AS HE CALLED FOR THE SPECIAL SESSION.
I'M SURE DENNIS AND I AND THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR GAME PLAN WILL BE GOING INTO IT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT AS IF WE HAVEN'T STARTED RIGHT
NOW.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE BUDGET INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE GAVE TO THE
DEPARTMENTS, WE SAID -- AGAIN, I THINK HAGAR HAS A COPY.
WE GIVE BUDGET INSTRUCTIONS OUT EVERY YEAR.
SAYS, ANY INCREASES IN THE BUDGET WILL BE HIGHLY
SCRUTINIZED.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE REQUESTS,
DEPARTMENTS HAVE LISTENED TO US.
DECREASE THE AMOUNT.
ANYTHING THAT THE MAYOR HAS APPROVED ALREADY, SHE'S
TENTATIVELY APPROVED UNTIL WE FIGURE THAT OUT.
WE'RE PAYING PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO INCREASE IN STAFF
BECAUSE BASED ON THE CITY'S PERSONNEL POLICY, FIRST IN --
LAST IN, FIRST OUT.
I'M NOT SURE WE REALLY WANT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE CITY

AND MAYBE HAVE TO FACE A REDUCTION IN FORCES GOING INTO THE
FUTURE.
10:03:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I'M SURE YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT.
EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T, HAVE A REQUEST TO ALSO REALLY LOOK AT
THE CRA VERY SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE GOING BACK TO THE RAYS'
DISCUSSION, IF THERE ARE NO PROPERTY TAXES IN THAT CRA, WE
CANNOT PAY OFF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS BOND.
JUST GOING TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
THANK YOU.
10:03:56AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, MA'AM.
10:03:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SINCE EVERYBODY IS GOING THERE, ON THE
PROPERTY TAX ISSUE WITH THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL, I HAVE A
HIGH DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE VOTERS THAT WHEN THIS IS
EXPLAINED THAT THEY WILL SEE THE LIGHT AND IT WON'T MEET THE
THRESHOLD REQUIRED TO PASS.
IT IS A RIDICULOUS PROPOSAL.
I THINK YOUR POINT ON THE CRA SPECIFICALLY WITH SOME OF OUR
ECONOMICALLY SUPPRESSED AREAS LIKE EAST TAMPA, DREW PARK IT
WOULD BE DEVASTATING.
LITERALLY WIPE THEM OUT COMPLETELY.
THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S 67 COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA.
WHAT WOULD END UP HAPPENING IS ALL OF THESE RURAL TYPES OF

COUNTIES, THEY WILL BE COMPLETELY WIPED OUT BECAUSE OF THEIR
HOME VALUES.
WHAT WILL END UP HAPPENING IS THE URBAN AREAS ARE GOING TO
END UP, SOMEHOW WE'LL END UP HAVING TO SUBSIDIZE THE REST OF
THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A BONUS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A BURDEN FOR PROPERTY OWNERS.
IT IS SHIFTING THE BURDEN FROM ONE TO THE OTHER AND PLACES
LIKE THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ORLANDO AND FT. LAUDERDALE AND
MIAMI AND PALM BEACH, JACKSONVILLE, FORT MYERS, WE'RE GOING
TO BE THE ONES THAT BEAR THE BURDEN OF IT.
IT IS PIE IN THE SKY I BELIEVE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THING PROTECTED WAS POLICE, NOT
FIRE IN THE PROPOSAL THAT I HEARD THAT CAME OUT.
THAT THEY WERE ONLY PROTECTING POLICE.
AGAIN, REFERENCE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND YOUR POINT IS WELL
TAKEN, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THAT STAGNATION IS NOT
PROTECTION.
YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR YOU END UP DEGRADING SERVICES.
THIS PROPOSAL COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE IS RECKLESS.
IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE, AND IT'S BAD FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
BAD FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
I BELIEVE WHEN IT IS EXPLAINED TO THE VOTERS, I DON'T CARE
WHAT KIND OF POLITICS AND WHAT KIND OF GAMES THEY WANT TO
PLAY IN TALLAHASSEE WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA,

BUT THIS SHOULD NOT AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL PASS.
THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION.
LET'S FINISH THE PRESENTATION, MR. PERRY, AND THEN WE'LL DO
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AFTER YOU ARE DONE WITH THE
PRESENTATION.
10:06:11AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR.
IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP.
NOW WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.
STORMWATER RECEIVED A LOT OF ATTENTION SINCE THE 2004 STORM
SEASON.
THEY ARE -- 2.4.
EXPENSES ARE RIGHT ON THE REVISED BUDGET.
SO THEY ARE LOOKING ALL GOOD.
ENTERPRISE PARKING, REVENUES COMING IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER
THAN BUDGETED.
SO END UP SLIGHTLY HIGHER FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE
FISCAL YEAR.
WANT TO POINT OUT THEIR CAPITAL PROJECT BUDGET IS
$11.4 MILLION.
INCLUDING IN THEIR EXPENSES IS A TRANSFER OF $1.5 MILLION
FOR -- [INAUDIBLE]
NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOLID WASTE.
WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES IN SOLID WASTE.
WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SOLID WASTE
DEPARTMENT'S FINANCIALS.

WE WILL PROBABLY DEFER ANY DEBT ISSUANCE UNTIL FISCAL YEAR
2028.
THAT WAY WE HAVE A GOOD CLOSEOUT IN 2027 AND THEN WE CAN GO
TO THE MARKETS IN A BETTER FINANCIAL POSITION AND REDUCE THE
POST OF BORROWING.
VEHICLE MAINTENANCE IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE OVER BUDGET BY
$5.4 MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE THE WASTE TO ENERGY GENERATOR, WE WERE ALL AWARE
THAT HAPPENED LAST SEPTEMBER.
HAD TO INCLUDE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO REBUILD.
WE HAD TO DIVERT WASTE TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, INCREASE
ELECTRICAL EXPENSES AND REDUCE THE SALE OF ELECTRIC REVENUE.
SO ALL THAT IS HURTING THE BOTTOM LINE BALANCE SHEET.
WE'RE NOT MEETING WHAT OUR RESERVE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
WE TRY TO PROJECT 90 DAYS, AND THAT'S REALLY MINIMUM,
BARE-BONES.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE MARKET, WE'RE ONLY PROJECTED TO BE AT 57
DAYS AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 2026.
THAT'S ABOUT $11.8 MILLION.
BECAUSE OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND AND BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRIAL
NATURE OF THE PLANTS, WATER, WASTEWATER, AND SOLID WASTE, WE
WANT TO KEEP REPAIR AND RENOVATION RESERVE ABOUT 1% OF THE
FIXED ASSETS.
REPAIR AND RENOVATION RESERVE, WE SET A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
OUT -- WE'RE NOT MEETING ANY OF THAT AT THE END OF 2026.

SO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH '26, FIX WHAT WE NEED TO DO, ENTER
'27 IN A BETTER FINANCIAL POSITION.
AND SO THAT WHEN WE CLOSE OUT '27, OUR FINANCIALS LOOK A LOT
BETTER.
THEN WE CAN ENTER THE MARKET AND AGAIN REDUCE THE COST OF
BORROWING FOR THE SYSTEM.
PAID POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENT FOR LARRY.
YOU MAY KNOW WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SEMINOLE
ELECTRICITY FOR THE SALE OF ELECTRICITY.
THAT EXPIRES IN MID JULY.
HOWEVER, WE ARE LOOKING AT BRINGING TO COUNCIL A NEW
CONTRACT WHERE THE REPLACEMENT REVENUES ARE BASED ON THE
SELLING OF ELECTRICITY IN THE OPEN MARKET.
LARRY CAN PROVIDE YOU FURTHER EXPLANATION WHEN HE BRINGS THE
ITEM TO COUNCIL.
I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS DOING.
AGAIN, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE SEMINOLE CONTRACT WAS VERY
LUCRATIVE.
THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS EARNING ABOUT $10 MILLION A YEAR.
IN THE FUTURE I THINK WE'RE ANTICIPATING ABOUT $5 MILLION.
THE GOOD THING IS WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT REVENUE REDUCTION
WHEN WE DID THE RATES.
SOLID WASTE, YOU CAN SEE THE REDUCTION IN THE PROJECTED FUND
BALANCE FROM $26.2 MILLION.
YOU SEE THE REDUCED REVENUES FROM 148.1 TO 136, PRIMARILY

THE LOST OF REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SALE OF
ELECTRICITY.
THE DEBT SERVICE REMAINING EVEN.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REVISED BUDGET HAD $8.1 MILLION.
WE'RE PROJECTED TO MOVE $4.3 MILLION.
YOU REMEMBER BACK IN EITHER SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, WE MOVED
$10 MILLION TO ADDRESS THE GENERATOR.
WE DON'T NEED THAT FULL $10 MILLION, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO
MOVE THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT IN THE CAPITAL -- I
MEAN THE OPERATING FUND.
WATER, SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE WATER REVENUES AND EXPENSE.
THEY ARE MAINTAINING THE EXPENSES FOR THEIR EXPENDITURES.
SO THEIR NET REVENUE IS AT $97 MILLION WHICH IS $11 MILLION
HIGHER THAN THE REVISED BUDGET.
THEIR DEBT SERVICE IS $35.3 MILLION.
AND $131.1 MILLION OF CAPITAL PROJECT EXPENSES.
YOU SEE THE PROJECTED YEAR-END FUND BALANCE GOES FROM A
BUDGET, REVISED 94.3 TO 105.6.
AND WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS REDUCE FUTURE BORROWING AS
WE MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S SORT OF THE PLAN WE HAD.
FOR THOSE OF US ON COUNCIL IN 2020, WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE
VERY LOW COVID RATES.
SO WE ISSUED DEBT HEAVILY THERE.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAD PROJECTS THAT WERE FUNDED BY CASH.

WE FUNDED THOSE WITH DEBT.
THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE PAYING IS LESS THAN 1% ON THAT
MONEY.
AND THE PLAN WAS TO EVENTUALLY SPEND DOWN THE CASH OVER THE
NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THAT.
WASTEWATER.
LITTLE BIT DECREASE IN REVENUES.
AND SOMETIMES OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES ASK FOR HELP.
WE WERE TREATING WASTE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WHEN WE DID THE BUDGET WE WERE UNAWARE THAT WE WERE NO
LONGER GOING TO RECEIVE REVENUES FROM THE DIVERSION OF THE
WASTE.
SO THAT EXPLAINS WHY WE HAD THE MAJORITY OF THE DECREASE IN
THE REVENUES.
ALSO, AGAIN, ERIC DOES A WONDERFUL JOB IN MAINTAINING HIS
EXPENSES.
YOU SEE A SLIGHT DECREASE IN THE FUND BALANCE FROM 91.6,
84.9, MAJORITY ATTRIBUTABLE TO DECREASE IN REVENUES FROM THE
DIVERSION OF WASTE FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT FEMA.
A LOT OF ISSUES.
LIKE WATCHING A PING-PONG GAME UP AT WASHINGTON, D.C.
BUT YOU LOOK THE TOTAL ESTIMATED DAMAGE A LITTLE BIT UNDER
$200 MILLION FOR FEMA.

WE INITIALLY HAD 244 PROJECTS.
WHAT WE DO IS FOLLOWING A STORM, THE INSTRUCTION SAYS IF YOU
THINK IT'S STORM RELATED, REPORT IT.
WE CAN ALWAYS FIGURE IT OUT THAT IT'S NOT STORM RELATED.
IT IS STORM RELATED.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS AFTER A
STORM, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM WHAT FACILITY SERVICES HAS IN
OPEN POs.
NOT THAT ANYBODY WOULD TRY TO SAY STORM DAMAGE.
WE DON'T.
AGAIN, THEY WANT THAT AREA, THAT LEVEL OF VERIFICATION.
NOW AS OF MAY, THE VALUE IS NOW $82 MILLION.
WENT THROUGH THAT LIST.
WE WENT AHEAD AND FIGURED OUT SOME WERE NOT STORM RELATED.
SOME WERE DUE OR TO BE PAID FOR BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK PRIMARILY THE BRIDGES OVER DAVIS ISLANDS.
AND I THINK MATTER OF FACT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING YOU'LL SEE A
GRANT AGREEMENT ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WHERE
F.D.O.T. IS PAYING US FOR EQUIPMENT WE ALREADY REPAIRED.
THAT DISCUSSION IS GOING ON.
SO THE TOTAL PROJECT IS 199.
-- PROJECTS, WHAT WE SENT TO FEMA, VALUED AT $57 MILLION.
TOTAL RECEIVED REIMBURSEMENT IS 42.8.
NOW, THIS IS HELENE AND MILTON.

WE HAVE NOT CLOSED IAN OR IDALIA YET.
TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, HURRICANE IRMA OCCURRED IN 2017.
I WAS IN THE EOC IN 2022, FORGOT WHICH CAME FIRST, I WAS
GETTING E-MAILS AND TEXT FROM FEMA THEY WERE FINALLY CLOSING
US OUT.
THIS IS A VERY LONG PROCESS BECAUSE THE STATE IS THE GRANT
RECIPIENT, JUST LIKE ROBERT WAS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THE
COUNTY IS THE GRANTEE AND WE'RE A SUBRECIPIENT, FEMA LOOKS
AT IT, THEN FLORIDA LOOKS AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING
IS SAFE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE RECENTLY THIS FISCAL YEAR RECEIVED
$2.5 MILLION FROM I DO BELIEVE IT WAS IAN.
AGAIN, PROBABLY THE BIGGEST AREAS THAT WE HAVE THE MOST
QUESTIONS ARE ON FIRE STATION 17 AND BALLAST POINT.
AND WE CONTINUE WORKING WITH FEMA.
THE PROBLEM IS MY EXPERIENCE WITH FEMA IS YOU DON'T HAVE A
CONSISTENCY OF PEOPLE YOU'RE WORKING WITH.
SECRETARY NOEM FIRED ALL THE CONTRACTORS.
NOW WE HAD FEMA STAFF.
AND REALLY WE THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE WE WANTED
ONE FACE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, WELL, NOW THEY ARE HIRING
THE CONTRACTORS BACK, AND WE HAVE TO START THE WHOLE PROCESS
OVER.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH FEMA.
WE'RE WORKING IT.

WHITLOCK IS OUR CONSULTANT WHO IS WORKING WITH US.
PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS GRACIOUSLY AT LEAST REIMBURSED US UP
FRONT FOR THE DAMAGE CONTROL -- NOT THE DAMAGE CONTROL, THE
WASTE PICKUP, HURRICANE DEBRIS MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME MONEY FROM THAT.
AGAIN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
AS AN ASIDE, FEMA IS STILL PAYING FOR FIRE STATION 17
TEMPORARY LIVING SPACES OUT THERE, THE MODULAR FURNITURE
THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE LIVING WITH.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
ACT PASSED BY THE HOUSE AND THE LEGISLATURE.
HOUSE AND SENATE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE
GOVERNOR YET.
BUT IT'S GOING TO AMEND, IF THE GOVERNOR APPROVES IT, IT
WILL CHANGE THE PROCESS IN WHICH HOW WE'LL HAVE TO DO THE
BUDGET.
POST TENTATIVE AND ADOPTED BUDGETS WE DO THAT, ACCORDING TO
CHARTER WE ONLY GO THREE YEARS.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK FIVE YEARS.
NO PROBLEM.
WORKING WITH OPEN GOV.
SO WE'RE FINE.
NOW IT HAS TO BE AREAS THAT CAN BE DOWNLOADED AND SORTED.
PEOPLE CAN DOWNLOAD THE DATA INTO OPEN GOV AND TO EXCEL.
WE ALREADY HAVE THE CAPABILITY.

WE HAVE TO POST THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS.
WE DO THAT BUT A WE HAVE TO POST THEM FIVE DAYS BEFORE, SO
LUCKILY THE CLERK DOES THE PRELIMINARY, THE DRAFT BUDGET ON
FRIDAY.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO COVER THAT.
BUT WE HAVE CHANGE IN THE DATA THAT WE PRESENT ON THE
FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS.
WE HAVE TO CONDUCT A BUDGET REDUCTION STRATEGY WORKSHOP.
EVERYBODY IS SAYING DO IT AFTER THE MAYOR APPROVES THE
BUDGET.
WHY ARE WE DOING THAT?
BUDGET REDUCTION IS WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY 10% REDUCTION OF
NON-MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, YOU TAKE OUT POLICE AND FIRE.
YOU TAKE OUT OUR DEBT, YOU TAKE OUT THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE
CRAs BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE AND ANYTHING
ELSE, AND YOU GO WHAT IS LEFT.
HOW DO YOU REDUCE WHAT IS LEFT AFTER THAT?
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
THE FIRST TIME WE DO, IT WILL BE KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE
MAY 1st, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL CHANGE.
NEW MAYOR, POTENTIALLY NEW CITY COUNCIL.
HAVE TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED AND HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ON HOW
WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED ON THAT.
WE HAVE TO POST QUARTERLY SALARY BY NAMED PERSON AND

POSITION.
SO IT WILL SAY, MIKE PERRY, DEPUTY CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER,
WHAT MY SALARY IS.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT QUARTERLY.
AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, IT IS PENDING
GOVERNOR'S ACTION.
SOMETHING OUTSIDE THIS AND YOU'LL START SEEING A LITTLE BIT
OF A CHANGE OF THE FORMAT OF THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS.
AGAIN, THAT IS THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT TO MAKE
IT EASIER FOR THE READERS TO READ.
FINALLY, THE BUDGET CALENDAR, I THINK MR. MIRANDA WILL MAKE
SOME MOTIONS THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS EVENING, TO GO AHEAD AND
AFFIRM THESE DATES.
I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THE WORKSHOP ONE, TWO, AND THREE
SET.
WE'LL WORK WITH HAGAR TO DEFINE THAT MORE.
WITH THAT, QUESTIONS.
10:20:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THIS IS REALLY WONDERFUL.
JUST REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
BUT TO GO BACK TO THE SOLID WASTE CHALLENGES.
ON PAGE 18, YOU SAID IT WAS DUE MAINLY TO SALE OF
ELECTRICITY BEING LOW.
BUT IF WE ONLY MAKE 10 MILLION AND WE'RE ON PAGE 20 --
10:20:57AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GO AHEAD AND BRING THE SLIDE PRESENTATION

UP, PLEASE.
10:21:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT PAGE 20 SHOWS THAT THE REDUCTION IS 12
MILLION, WHICH IS MORE THAN WE GET FROM THE ELECTRICITY.
10:21:12AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
RIGHT.
IT'S PREDOMINANTLY THE SALE OF ELECTRICITY.
THERE ARE SOME ISSUES ABOUT WE ADOPTED THE RATE SCHEDULE,
HAVEN'T FULLY IMPLEMENTED THAT RATE SCHEDULE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH SOLID WASTE TO ASSESS THEM IN GETTING
THAT DONE.
10:21:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE ANTICIPATE BY THE END OF THE YEAR WE'LL BE
UP A BIT MORE?
10:21:35AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE WHEN WE DO THESE
ESTIMATES SO WE SHOULD.
I'M NOT GUARANTEEING ANYTHING.
10:21:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, NO.
ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD NEVER ASK YOU TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE
KNOW EVERYTHING IS IN FLUX JUST OVERALL.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE THE 12 MILLION, THE
DIFFERENCE THERE IS MORE THAN WE GET FROM THE ELECTRIC.
WHILE YOU SAY MOST, I THINK IT'S STILL GOOD TO KNOW.
IT LOOKS LIKE MR. WASHINGTON IS COMING UP BECAUSE HE WOULD
LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
10:22:06AM >> LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
IN REGARDS TO THE DIFFERENCE, THE $2 MILLION, WE HAD TO SLOW
ROLL OUR ADDITIONAL CAR PROGRAM BECAUSE THE ACCOUNTING AND

OUR ROUTING SOFTWARE, THEY WEREN'T JIVING.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHARGE THE PUBLIC FOR ADDITIONAL CARTS.
YOU MIGHT START TO SEE CALLS ABOUT THAT SOON.
LIKE TO SAY THAT'S OUR EQUITY PROGRAM RIGHT NOW.
10:22:38AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
GOOD TO KNOW.
THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS THE QUESTION I HAD THERE.
IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE 23, BECAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT
THE FEMA.
THE 199 MILLION WAS WHAT WE -- THAT WAS THE "THROW
EVERYTHING IN THE BUCKET."
BUT YOU'RE SAYING -- LET ME SEE IF I HEAR THIS CORRECTLY.
WHAT THE ACTUAL ESTIMATE IS, IS 82 MILLION.
10:23:14AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT IS THE REMAINING ESTIMATED COST, YES.
10:23:17AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO LONGER 199.
DOWN TO 82.
10:23:20AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
MAJORITY OF THAT IS TRANSPORTATION INCLUDED, LIKE I SAID THE
BRIDGES, THE SCOURING TO THE DAVIS ISLAND BRIDGES.
I THINK ABOUT $70 MILLION THAT IS NOT REALLY OUR
RESPONSIBILITY BUT F.D.O.T.'S.
10:23:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BY PULLING THAT OUT, WE'RE LEFT WITH 82 MILLION.

AND THE VALIDATION, WE'VE DONE 70 MILLION.
WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED 42 MILLION.
10:23:49AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
10:23:49AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOW.
THAT'S AHEAD OF SCHEDULE I WOULD GUESS.
10:23:52AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT BIDEN.
HE WENT AHEAD AND PUSHED IT OUT AND MADE SURE THAT WE
COVERED OUR CATEGORY A AND B COST.
CATEGORY A IS DEBRIS MANAGEMENT, CATEGORY B, EMERGENCY
RESPONSE.
10:24:06AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK SO PEOPLE KNEW IT'S
NOT 199.
IT'S REALLY 82.
10:24:12AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE BIG TWO WAITING ON AND WORKING WITH
FEMA.
10:24:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BELIEVE ME.
WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT E-MAILS US PRETTY REGULARLY ABOUT THE
PIERS.
I AM WELL AWARE AND REALLY APPRECIATE THIS UPDATE AND THE
FIRE STATION.
THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT.
10:24:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
FROM A CONSTITUENT POINT OF VIEW, FEMA WAS A
COMPLETE DISASTER.
SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT FEMA.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT CHANGED WITH THE NEW DIRECTOR.

THE OTHER DIRECTOR MAY HAVE HELPED TO GET THE MONEY IN
ADVANCE.
SHOWED UP AND DID PRESS CONFERENCES AND THEN IGNORED
CONSTITUENTS.
I HAD TO HOLD A FORUM BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE SO ANGRY AT THEM
AND ANGRY AT US BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING TO DO
WITH IT.
MR. WASHINGTON, I SAID THIS BEFORE, YOU ARE EXCELLENT WITH
FOLLOWING UP WITH CONSTITUENT COMPLAINTS AND ISSUES FROM
BROKEN GARBAGE CANS TO PEOPLE GETTING MISSED -- THANK YOU TO
YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR BEING SO RESPONSIVE.
AS I SEE THIS SYSTEMICALLY, A BIG PART OF THE COSTS BUILT IN
THAT WENT OVER WERE THAT THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT WAS
NEEDED WAY MORE CONSTRUCTION AND REBUILDING THAN EXPECTED IN
THE BEGINNING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ANTICIPATED ALL THE OTHER CHANGES AS
WELL.
BUT, FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT KIND OF ACCURATE?
SECOND, BECAUSE IF IT IS JUST OPERATING COSTS THAT ARE GOING
UP, THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT, TOO.
THE SECOND THING IS, WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION?
AS I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE
FUNDS, WE'RE DIPPING IN THE RESERVES, KIND OF DELAYING OR
DEFERRING ANYTHING UNTIL THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL AND NEXT
ADMINISTRATION.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO RESPOND TO IT.
YOU SAID I THINK IN WATER WE'RE DOING IT INTENTIONALLY.
BUT NOT OTHERS WE'RE DIPPING INTO RESERVES SO THAT THE NEXT
CITY COUNCIL CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
I'D RATHER START PLANNING NOW ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND
IF THERE'S SOME SOLUTION WE NEED, WE SHOULD DO IT.
WE SHOULDN'T END UP HANDING THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL A LOW
RESERVE FUND.
LARRY, WHAT IS YOUR LONG-TERM SOLUTION HERE?
ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO A RATE CASE OR A WAY TO REDUCE THE
EXPENSES?
10:26:32AM >> ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE GOING BACK SOME.
LAST FISCAL YEAR, FY '25, WE HAD A SURPLUS OF 6 MILLION.
WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS AN ISSUE WITH THE PLANT GOING DOWN FOR
98 DAYS.
AND NOW WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN, OF COURSE, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE
THE CONTRACT IN HAND AND SIGNED, DIDN'T FACTOR IN THE THREE
MONTHS OF REVENUE THAT WE WILL GENERATE WITH OUR NEW
AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT IS MISSING IN --
10:26:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU THINK NEXT YEAR, THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR
THAT WE DON'T NEED -- THERE'S NO RATE CASE THAT NEEDS TO BE
DONE.
JUST BEING ON LINE FOR 12 MONTHS WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A
SURPLUS.

10:27:09AM >> I DON'T FORESEE AN ADDITIONAL RATE INCREASE AT ALL.
NO.
10:27:12AM >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT.
10:27:14AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS CLEAR.
ADDITIONAL RATE INCREASE OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE ALREADY AGREED
UPON.
10:27:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE OTHER THING IS, USUALLY WHEN A COMPANY
BUYS A FACILITY LIKE THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, THERE'S SOME
BACKSTOP PROVISION.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THE ORIGINAL
ESTIMATE WAS LIKE 62 MILLION AND 120 YEAR, 150 MILLION
TOTAL.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT INCLUDED ALL THE OTHER STUFF OFF THE
TOP OF MY HEAD.
ENDED UP BEING MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE WE HAD TO REPAIR OR
REPLACE EQUIPMENT.
ANYTHING IN THE CONTRACT WHEN WE BOUGHT FROM THE COMPANY
THAT OWNED IT BEFORE, WAS THERE ANY KIND OF CLAWBACK CLAUSE
THAT SAID, HEY, WE GO ABOVE A HUNDRED MILLION YOU HAVE TO
PAY US PART OF THAT BACK?
WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
HAD A FIRM GO IN AND ANALYZE IT BUT IT ENDED UP BEING A LOT
MORE EXPENSIVE.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE CAN GET BACK SOME OF OUR
CAPITAL?

10:28:13AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WITH THAT QUESTION, I'LL HAVE TO DEFER.
THAT WAS A LONGTIME STANDING CONTRACT.
I CAN COME BACK TO YOU, REVIEW IT AND PROVIDE A REPORT OR AN
E-MAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
10:28:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF YOU DON'T MIND SENDING A REGULAR E-MAIL.
I ASSUME THERE WASN'T SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
IF SOMEBODY COULD LOOK AND MAKE SURE IT WASN'T THERE.
IF WE COULD GET BACK 10 OR 20 MILLION MORE, THAT WOULD BE
GREAT FOR THE RATEPAYERS.
10:28:37AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IF I MAY ANSWER THAT OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL,
NATIONWIDE, MOST OF THE WASTE ENERGY PLANTS ARE OWNED BY AN
OUTSIDE FIRM.
THERE ARE TWO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT OWN THE PLANT AND HAD A
CONTRACT OPERATOR.
SPOKANE, WASHINGTON AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE WERE THE OWNERS OF THE PLANT AND WE CONTRACTED WITH WASTE
TO ENERGY TO DO THAT.
WE DIDN'T BUY ANYTHING.
WE JUST ASSUMED OPERATIONS FROM THEM.
I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD
BE ANY CALL BACK BECAUSE -- CLAW BACK BECAUSE THERE'S
NOTHING TO CLAW BACK ON.
10:29:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO ADD DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
AS YOU ALL TESTIFIED YEARS AGO, THEY SHOULD HAVE REPAIRED OR
REPLACED THINGS IN 20, 30 YEARS AND THEY DIDN'T IN 40 YEARS.

ANYWAY, THAT IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
IT ENDED UP BEING A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE ANTICIPATED.
I WONDER IF THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT THAT ENABLED
US TO GET SOME OF THAT BACK.
ON PAGE 23, ON THE HURRICANE REIMBURSEMENT, LOOKING AT THE
82 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW IS THAT COUNTED ON THE BOOKS?
IS THAT COUNTED AS A LIABILITY?
OR DO YOU ALL HAVE IT AS A PLACEHOLDER THAT IT'S ANTICIPATED
TO GET REIMBURSED?
10:30:06AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
HOW WE MANAGE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, WHETHER
HURRICANE OR COVID, THOSE WERE THE TWO LAST, WE USE A
SPECIAL REVENUE FUND, SEPARATE OUTSIDE THE GENERAL FUND.
AND SO WE GATHER ALL THOSE EXPENSES.
AND THAT FUND IS NEGATIVE CASH.
WE INTEND TO KEEP THAT NEGATIVE CASH SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE
THE IMPACT OF FEMA OPERATIONS AFFECTING THE GENERAL FUND.
10:30:37AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT SOUNDS -- I WOULD CALL IT BALANCE SHEET
ITEM.
IS IT COUNTED ON THE PNL ALSO?
DOES IT COUNT AS NEGATIVE AS AN EXPENSE AND THEN THE NEXT
QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU GET REIMBURSED, LET'S SAY $82 MILLION
GRANT, WOULD THAT BE COUNTED AS REVENUES OR ARE YOU JUST
LOOKING AT THE BALANCE SHEET?
10:30:58AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
EXPENSES WILL BE COUNTED AS EXPENSES
BECAUSE WE HAVE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE FEDERAL AND STATE

SINGLE AUDIT ACT TO DO ANNUAL SINGLE AUDIT REPORTING BASED
ON THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE EXPENSED DURING A FISCAL YEAR.
WE RECORD THE EXPENSE, AND THAT'S WHY IF -- STEP OUTSIDE OF
FEMA, YOU'LL NOTICE WE'LL HAVE THE POLICE GRANT FUND.
YOU'LL NOTICE WE HAVE THE FIRE GRANT FUND, THE PARKS GRANT
FUND, GENERAL GOVERNMENT, SO THAT WE IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC
GRANT RELATED EXPENSES SO THAT THE LACK OF REVENUE DOESN'T
AFFECT THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S BALANCE SHEET.
WE KEEP THAT SEPARATE.
ALSO FROM A MANAGEMENT POINT OF VIEW, I CAN LOOK AT THE
BALANCE SHEET AND GO, WHY ARE WE STILL NEGATIVE CASH?
EXPLAIN TO ME WHY WE HAVE NEGATIVE CASH.
WE DO HAVE A BALANCE SHEET AND WE DO HAVE A NET INCOME
STATEMENT.
10:32:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
NET INCOME STATEMENT, IF WE SUDDENLY GOT $82
MILLION, THAT'S $82 MILLION THAT WE COULD REALLOCATE TO
OTHER EXPENSES THEN SINCE WE ALREADY COUNTED IT AS AN
EXPENSE IN THE PAST?
10:32:16AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WE ONLY RECEIVE THE AMOUNT WE HAVE TRUE
EXPENSES FOR.
NO, WE WON'T -- NO NET INCOME ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
10:32:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
10:32:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A LEGAL INTERPRETATION.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

10:32:35AM >> McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, TO YOUR QUESTION, I WAS NOT HERE AT THE
TIME.
THE CHANGE DECISION WAS MADE.
HOWEVER, I HAVE SPOKEN TO TAKE OVER OPERATION OF THE WASTE
TO ENERGY PLANT, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PARTY WHO WAS OUR
OUTSIDE COUNSEL AT THE TIME, DAVID DEE, WHO IS NOW RETIRED.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS PART OF THE DRIVER FOR US TO BECOME OUR
OWN OPERATOR OF THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT WAS BECAUSE OF THE
WORDING OF THAT CONTRACT, THERE WAS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE
CITY AND WHEELABRATOR ON HOW TO INTERPRET WHAT MAINTENANCE
MEANT.
WHEELABRATOR INTERPRETED IT TO MEAN ONLY FIX BROKEN THINGS.
THE CITY WAS SAYING FIX IT AND DO REGULAR OPERATION AND
MAINTENANCE.
THAT'S SORT OF BECAUSE OF SEVERAL YEARS OF ATTEMPTING TO
RECTIFY THAT CONFLICT WITH WHEELABRATOR WHY EVENTUALLY THE
RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO
CONSIDER TAKING OVER OPERATING OUR OWN PLANT SO THAT WE
COULD PROACTIVELY TAKE CARE OF IT.
GETTING BACK TO THE POINT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S POTENTIAL
CLAWBACK FROM THAT OPERATION CONTRACT, WHILE I HAVE NOT
SCRUTINIZED IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, MR. DEE WAS AN EXPERT
IN WASTE TO ENERGY LAW.
SO I BELIEVE THE ANSWER TO THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS PROBABLY

NO.
10:33:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LOOKING THAT UP SO
QUICKLY.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK IN ANOTHER TEN YEARS, 20
YEARS BACK ON IT, SOMEWHERE AROUND 20 YEARS TO LOOK BACK ON
IT AND SEE WHAT-IF SCENARIOS.
YOU ALL HAD ONE OR TWO PROPOSALS AT THE TIME FROM MAYBE
WHEELABRATOR AND ANOTHER COMPANY.
INTERESTING TO LOOK BACK AND SEE HOW MUCH IT COSTS AND WHAT
THE PROS AND CONS, JUST AS A CASE STUDY FOR ANYTHING ELSE
MIGHT HAVE.
PROBABLY END UP BEING THIS IS THE RIGHT DECISION, EXCEPT
COST MORE.
I MIGHT NOT SAY ANYTHING AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO MIKE
FOR ALWAYS BEING VERY RESPONSIVE TO US AND STRAIGHTFORWARD
ABOUT PRESENTING THE INFORMATION.
APPRECIATE IT.
10:34:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:34:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M GOING BACK IN HISTORY A LITTLE BIT IF I MAY.
I'M SURE ALL OF US TOURED THAT REFUSE TO ENERGY.
WHAT I SAW WHEN I WAS THERE WAS LIKE AN EXPLOSION HAPPENED
ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AT THE SAME TIME.
I SAW A GENERATOR THAT WAS WAY OVERDUE ITS LIFE SPAN.
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE GENERATORS, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO

ORDER THEM TWO AND THREE YEARS IN ADVANCE.
WE DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
WE WORKED ON IT.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE NOW WE HAVE A NEW GENERATOR, AM I
CORRECT?
10:35:17AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WE HAVE A GENERATOR THAT'S BEING
REFURBISHED.
10:35:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
REFURBISHED ONE.
DO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA ONE?
10:35:26AM >>LARRY WASHINGTON:
WE DON'T HAVE AN EXTRA ONE.
NOW WE HAVE A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD, MAKE SURE WE REFURBISH
EVERY FIVE TO TEN YEARS, INSTEAD -- EVERY FIVE YEARS,
INSTEAD OF WAITING TEN YEARS.
10:35:40AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT PRODUCES ENOUGH ENERGY FOR 15,000
HOMES.
GOING BACK, WHEN I SAW THE REVENUES FROM SEMINOLE, THEY WERE
GOOD.
BUT THERE WAS A GREATER DEAL ON SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, I
SERVED BACK WITH OTHERS, OBJECTING TO SO AND SO, WE HAD A
DEAL THAT WAS TOO GOOD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TALLAHASSEE HEARD
ABOUT IT.
AND THEY CAME BACK AND WE HAD TO RENEGOTIATE THE DEAL WITH
SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO GOOD FOR US.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TO DO.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SEMINOLE.
ANOTHER COMPANY BEFORE, I WON'T NAME, VERY POPULAR NAME, BUT
I REMEMBER THAT.
I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO.
IF THAT GENERATOR WOULD HAVE GONE THEN, THE COST YOU WOULD
HAVE HAD TO PICK UP AND TRANSMIT WHAT YOU PICK UP IN THE
CITY WAS ABOUT 80 MILES ONE WAY AND 80 MILES BACK, SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROHIBITIVE.
IF YOU THINK IT IS NOT AS WELL AS TODAY, DEFICIT IN HUNDREDS
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
JUST MY OPINION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
10:36:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING REDUNDANCY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL SLEEP AT NIGHT WITH THE SINGLE
POINTS OF FAILURE OF THAT PLANT LOOMING ABOVE US.
10:36:54AM >> WE DON'T.
10:36:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I LOOK FORWARD TO A FUTURE COUNCIL
PLANNING FOR THE REPLACEMENT AND MODERNIZATION OF THAT PLANT
FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME.
WE JUST SAW WITH THE DOWN TIME WHAT A TREMENDOUS IMPACT THAT
HAD.
I CAN'T IMAGINE IF IT WAS MORE OF A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE,
WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
10:37:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. PERRY.

WHEN TALKING ABOUT THIS NEW HB 1329, YOU TALKED ABOUT
CONDUCTING A BUDGET REDUCTION STRATEGY WORKSHOP.
IS THAT A PUBLIC WORKSHOP OR INTERNAL WORKSHOP?
10:37:30AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IT'S A PUBLIC WORKSHOP.
10:37:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WOULD THAT INVOLVE US?
10:37:34AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES.
10:37:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO GET THE IDEA BEHIND THAT.
OKAY.
WELL, THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE IT.
10:37:41AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IT WILL BE FUN.
10:37:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT CONCLUDES THIS PORTION OF THE
BRIEFING.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS
ITEM, WE'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU CAN LINE UP ON THE WALL BY MS. McLANE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
REMEMBER, YOU ARE JUST ADDRESSING THE ITEM THAT WAS JUST
DISCUSSED.
MS. BURTON, GOOD MORNING.
10:38:17AM >> GOOD MORNING, CONNIE BURTON.
FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO ELECTED BODY, AS WE TELL OUR
CHILDREN, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING.
AND IF YOU SEE BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TALLAHASSEE IS

GOING TO PUT THIS CITY INTO SOME FORM OF DISASTER, THEN I
WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO ORGANIZE THE
COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN SAY SOMETHING AND NOT JUST RELY ON THE
FACT THAT WE'LL GET TO THE POLL.
PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE A VARIETY OF INFORMATION PRIOR TO THAT.
THE CHART WAS MOVING FAST, BUT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IN
THIS BUDGET CONVERSATION ALWAYS ON THE REFLECTION ON WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN IN TERMS OF, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RECOVERY IN
A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, NOT ONLY IN HOUSING COMING FROM THE
HURRICANE, BUT I AM THINKING ABOUT HOW WILL PARKS,
RECREATION, SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW,
ITEM NUMBER 1, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRADES AND JOBS,
HOW IS THAT GOING TO COME INTO BUDGET?
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BACK AT THIS PODIUM AGAIN ONCE
IT'S APPROVED TO SAY WHAT'S GOING TO BE CARVED OUT FOR OUR
YOUTH?
I AM VERY CONCERNED AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL COME BACK SO
WE CAN HAVE SOME INPUT ON ITEM NUMBER 1.
BECAUSE WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT RECOVERY IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY,
ALL WE GET BACK FROM THOSE TYPE OF FUNDING IS HOUSEHOLD
GOODS.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO CLEAN UP IN THE AFTERMATH WITH SOME TYPE
OF THINGS NOT DEALING WITH THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM.
TOO MANY BLUE TARPS STILL EXIST IN EAST TAMPA WHERE PEOPLE

ARE NOT ABLE TO GET FULL REPAIR BASED ON PAST HURRICANES OR
JUST HOUSES IN DEPLORABLE CONDITIONS.
YOU CANNOT HOPEFULLY ALLOW $700 MILLION TO BE ENHANCED -- TO
BE IN HANDS OF A FEW TO MAKE DECISIONS.
PLACES GO IN THE COMMUNITY TO TALK ABOUT REAL ISSUES HAVE
ALMOST BEEN SANITIZED BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY CANNOT VISIT
SITES LIKE LEE DAVIS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE CENTER BECAUSE
EVERYTHING IS ONLINE.
IF IT IS ONLINE, THEN A LOT OF SENIORS IN OUR COMMUNITY
DON'T KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE THAT.
WHAT I HEARD IN THE PRESENTATION, SOME COMMUNITIES ALREADY
MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR LIST OF SPECIFICS.
SO, AGAIN, THE GENERAL FUNDS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND
THIS ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT YOU'RE COMING IN WITH AS A
RESULT OF HURRICANE, WE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING IN OUR
COMMUNITY THAT WHEN YOU ARE DIVVYING UP THE COMMUNITY BLOCK
GRANT MONEY, IT IS NOT FOR BEAUTIFUL SHINY OBJECTS FOR ONE
OR TWO ENTITIES AND DON'T BENEFIT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT
WE HAVE SEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
10:41:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE
STARTED PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO YOU WANT TO READ THE RULES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:41:27AM >> READ THEM, MAN, BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT BE GOING TO JAIL.
WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THEM.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]

10:41:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME TO ORDER, PLEASE.
10:41:46AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU.
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ALLOWED A REASONABLE
OPPORTUNITY AT THE END OF EACH WORKSHOP ITEM TO ADDRESS THAT
PARTICULAR ITEM.
SPEAKERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE REMINDED THAT YOU ARE
TO REFRAIN, PLEASE, FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING OR CAUSING
DISRUPTIVE NOISES OR SOUNDS OR DISPLAYING SIGNS OR GRAPHICS.
PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL
RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS.
THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS PROVIDING
PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS
WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE CITY
COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE SPEAKER AREA AT THE PODIUM.
PERSONS FAILING TO COMPLY WITH THE COUNCIL RULES MAY ALSO BE
RULED OUT OF ORDER AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
WORKSHOP.
QUIT TO THAT AND GO TO THE END BECAUSE THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
FINALLY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A
SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE

UNDER GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION RELATIVE
TO THE WORKSHOP'S ITEM.
THANK YOU.
10:42:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MR. DANIELS, START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
10:43:01AM >> MENTESNOT.
UHURU.
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
IT IS THE ACTUAL WORST FORM OF RACIAL PROFILING.
WORST FORM OF RACIAL PROFILING.
WE ARE HAVING A CIVILIZED MEETING AND EVERYBODY IS HERE TO
SPEAKING.
YOU SEE THE N-ER COME AND WE NEED TO READ THE RULES OF
COMMENT, RULES OF DECORUM.
NOBODY CARE ABOUT RULES OF DECORUM.
YOU ALREADY INTIMIDATED THE PEOPLE, BULLY THEM.
NOW YOU NEED TO READ SOME KIND OF RULES OF DECORUM.
FACT OF THE MATTER, IT IS A SORRY, NASTY, NO GOOD, LOWDOWN
CITY COUNCIL, EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU ALL.
NO GOOD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE THE MAYOR DO.
SEEN THEM DO IT FOR DECADES.
COME IN HERE, BRING A BUDGET AND BRING A WHOLE STAFF WITH
THEM AND THEN WALK OUT THE DOOR.

THEY TAKE NO QUESTIONS.
THEY DO NOTHING.
THEY JUST SH -- ON THE PUBLIC, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
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10:43:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS, PLEASE, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
KEEP YOUR COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARD THE ITEM.
10:43:59AM >> IT IS TOWARDS THE WORKSHOP.
IF YOU DON'T INTERRUPT ME, IT IS TOWARDS THE WORKSHOP, PLAIN
AND SIMPLE.
10:44:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS, PLEASE HAVE --
10:44:08AM >> -- HE DISCUSS $709 MILLION.
$709 MILLION.
THEN THEY TELL THE PUBLIC THEY CAN'T DISCUSS THAT, BUT THE
MAN IS GONE.
ANOTHER MAN COME AND TALK ABOUT HOW THE BUDGET IS GETTING
CUT.
WHAT YOU HEARD THIS MORNING, EXACT QUOTE.
THE EXACT QUOTE.
WHEN WOULD THE LIST BE SOLIDIFIED.
THAT'S WHAT THIS PERSON ASK.
THEY DON'T KNOW.
HE SAID WE NEVER KNEW.
THIS IS THE OTHER MAN TALKING.
THEN THE OTHER MAN SAY LIKE TOM PETTY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE
ARTISTS, HE SAY WE GOT LUCKY THIS TIME.

YEAH.
THEY TALK ABOUT CUTTING BUDGETS.
I HOPE THERE'S NO PROPERTY TAXES.
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE.
HOMESTEAD, NOT HOMESTEAD, NOTHING, NONE.
FLORIDA AIN'T NOTHING BUT A DAMN BANANA REPUBLIC ANYWAY.
YOU ARE DISCUSSING THINGS, BULLYING PEOPLE, DISCUSSING
THINGS AND THEN TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN'T DISCUSS IT.
WHERE THEY DO THAT AT?
MAN, THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS AND WHAT THE
CITY, ALL CITY GOVERNMENT DEPENDS ON, WHAT THEY ARE
CONTINGENT UPON IS LIKE WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE OLDER PARENTS
OR WHEN THEY ARE LIVING WITH THEIR GRANDPARENTS.
THEY HOPE THAT THE PARENTS DON'T REMEMBER SO THEY RUN GAME
ON THEM.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR ALL KINDS OF ART PROJECTS,
RIVERWALK, RIVERFRONT PARK AND THE BLACK COMMUNITY LOOKING
LIKE GARBAGE.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
NO RESPECT.
26% OF THE POPULATION, ANY MOTHER -- COME UP HERE, WE WANT
26% OF THE BUDGET.
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10:45:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. DANIELS --
10:45:48AM >> YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.

10:45:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VALERIE, GOOD MORNING.
10:45:52AM >> VALERIE BULLOCK, PONCE De LEON, COLLEGE HILL.
I'M A LITTLE DISTURBED.
PROBABLY MORE LIKE I'M A LITTLE SHOOK UP.
WHEN IT COMES TO WHEELABRATOR, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME IS
NOW, PRIVATE CORPORATION, NOT A WASTE TO ENERGY THING, IT'S
KIND OF DISTURBING.
WE HAVE ONE GENERATOR.
AND WHEN THAT GENERATOR GO DOWN IT AFFECTS THE MONEY-MAKING
DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
SOLID WASTE, WATER, AND WASTEWATER, THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT
REALLY CARRY THE CITY OF TAMPA WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY.
SO IF A GENERATOR GO DOWN, IT AFFECTS THAT, SHOULDN'T WE BE
PLANNING ON GETTING ANOTHER GENERATOR SO IT CAN BE ON
STANDBY?
IF IT DID THAT MUCH DAMAGE AND CAUSED A WINDFALL WITH THE
MONEY, LOOK LIKE TO ME THAT WOULD BE A BIG PRIORITY RIGHT
THERE.
BUT THE MAN SAY THEY ARE GETTING IT REFURBISHED.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER ONE ON STANDBY JUST IN CASE
SOMETHING HAPPEN.
IF SOMETHING AFFECTS MY MONEY, IT BECOMES TOP PRIORITY.
I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REVENUE, NUMBER TWO, REVENUE
AND FINANCE STAFF.

IT WOULD BE GOOD IF THEY COULD COME OUT TO EAST TAMPA,
BECAUSE WE HEAR A LOT AND SEE A LOT.
THEY ARE GOING TO CUT THIS BUDGET, DO THIS, DO THAT, BUT IT
WILL GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE
MONEY-MAKING DECISION.
LEARN HOW THE CITY OF TAMPA MAKE DECISIONS.
LIKE SISTER CONNIE SAID, EVERYBODY IS NOT ONLINE.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO A QR CODE.
I WANT TO SIT NEXT TO SOMEBODY, LOOK THEM IN THE EYE, GIVE A
PIECE OF PAPER AND FOLLOW THEM WITH A PAPER.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN THINK ABOUT OR INTRODUCE FOR
THE FORGOTTEN NEIGHBORHOODS OR US THAT DON'T HAVE THE
DEGREES IN ECONOMICS, BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING THIS
MORNING.
THAT'S IT.
10:47:56AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, VALERIE.
MS. McLANE, CAN I ASK YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE?
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK?
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
OKAY.
MS. McLANE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND WHILE WE FINISH PUBLIC
COMMENT.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, LINE UP AGAINST THE WALL.
IF NOT, THIS IS OUR LAST SPEAKER.

10:48:18AM >> HELLO.
I'M CASEY NOON.
OUR SOCIETY HAS LARGELY SHIFTED TOWARDS HIRING A SPECIALIZED
CONTRACTOR FOR EVERYTHING.
BUT WE HAVE A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I'M LISTENING TO YOU TALK ABOUT HOW WE'VE GOT A VARIETY OF
STORM CLEANUP THINGS GOING ON.
I GET SPAMMED ALMOST DAILY FOR VARIOUS CONTRACTORS BEING
LIKE, HELLO, WE'RE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WANT US TO FIX YOUR
ROOF?
IF YOU CAME THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE IT'S NEW.
I ALREADY HAD THAT PROBLEM.
I'M JUST SAYING THINGS AS IDEA GENERATION BECAUSE I
CONSTANTLY HAVE THAT PROBLEM MYSELF.
THE IDEA THAT WE COULD HAVE LIKE A BOUNTY SYSTEM, BECAUSE I
KNOW WHEN YOU'RE HIRING A CONTRACTOR, THEY GET TO CHARGE YOU
WHATEVER THEY QUOTED YOU PLUS 10% FOR OVERHEAD, 10% FOR
PROFIT.
IF YOU HAVE A BOUNTY SYSTEM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN OUR
SOCIETY, IF YOU ARE GETTING LAID OFF FOR AN A.I. REPLACED
JOB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAVE A HIGHLY TECHNICAL
SKILL, IT'S JUST NOT AS NEEDED ANYMORE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UNEMPLOYMENT.
YOU'RE GOING DIRECTLY TO -- ECONOMY.
HUGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND HERE THAT USED TO BE

SOFTWARE ENGINEERS OR WHATEVER AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO DO
ALL KINDS OF THING.
JUST AN IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEST IMPLEMENT IT OR IF IT WOULD BE
CHEAPER OVERALL.
YEAH, FOR EXAMPLE, I USED TO OPERATE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS.
IF YOU'RE HAVING A TRASH PLANT THAT'S GOT A GENERATOR THAT'S
GOT A PROBLEM AND A VARIETY OF OTHER ISSUES THAT INHERENTLY
WOULD HAVE TO BE WRONG FOR THE GENERATOR TO HAVE A PROBLEM,
THEN I MEAN THERE IS THE AVAILABILITY TO LOOK TO THE
COMMUNITY TO BRING THAT WORK TOGETHER.
EVERY GROWING SOCIETY, YOU HAVE THE EVENTUAL POINT WHERE IT
TURNS, LIKE ROME GREW CONTINUOUSLY UNTIL IT GOT SO BIG ITS
GROWING WAS HURTING IT.
IF WE'RE NOT FOCUSING ON THINGS LIKE THE FUNDAMENTAL
FUNCTIONING PARTS REQUIRED FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO
WORK, THEN WE'LL START HAVING PROBLEMS AND START HAVING
PEOPLE LEAVING THE AREA BECAUSE BETTER TALENTS DEVELOPING
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT GROWTH IS IMPORTANT.
IF YOU ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY REINFORCING WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY
GROWN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?
THANK YOU.
10:50:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
MS. McLANE.

I UNDERSTAND TOMORROW IS MAY 29, 2026.
SOMETHING HAPPENING TOMORROW?
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE DAY AFTER THAT?
SHOWING UP TO WORK ON MONDAY?
10:50:48AM >> I AM SHOWING UP TO WORK ON MONDAY.
JUNE 1st WILL BE MY LAST DAY.
10:50:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CHARLIE THOUGHT FRIDAY WOULD BE YOUR LAST
DAY.
10:50:56AM >> THANK YOU.
SO SWEET.
I WANTED TO GET IN ONE LAST FULL WEEK, WHICH I HAVE ABOUT
EIGHT DAYS OF WORK TO PACK INTO THE LAST THREE DAYS.
10:51:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCIL WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR
EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE A SMILE ON YOUR FACE.
YOU HAVE BEEN A JOY TO WORK WITH.
REAL PLEASURE AND FOUNT OF INFORMATION.
WHILE WE'RE HERE, COUNCIL MEETING FOR YOU --
10:51:20AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
LET ME PLEASE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS.
AT THE TIME WE SET THE BROWNFIELD MEETING, EVENING MEETINGS
ARE REQUIRED BY STATUTE, I HAD NO IDEA THERE WOULD BE
NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA.
10:51:34AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WILL MAKE FOR A NICE EARLY EVENING.

10:51:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
KNOCK ON WOOD.
10:51:43AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW SHE'S LEAVING.
SHE'S LEAVING BECAUSE SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOME DAY
BECOME A MANAGING PARTNER IN A LAW FIRM.
HOPEFULLY FOR A BETTER POSITION.
I'M SURE IT IS.
THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUES AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
WITH BRAD, ROY AND THE REST OF US.
YOU ARE VERY INTELLIGENT, VERY SMART.
VERY COURTEOUS AND ALWAYS WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR LABOR AND WORK.
10:52:09AM >> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
IT HAS TRULY BEEN A PLEASURE.
I DO HAVE A HUGE HEART FOR PUBLIC SERVICE AND HOPE TO
CONTINUE THAT EVEN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
I THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT AND THE OPPORTUNITY
PROVIDED ME HERE.
10:52:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT THAT EASY.
10:52:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH
YOU AND ALSO BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH YOU WHEN YOU DO
NEIGHBORHOOD THINGS AS WE LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND
I COME TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS IN THE NORTHEAST
PART OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
WE'RE SORRY TO LOSE YOU AT THE CITY, BUT I KNOW I'LL SEE
YOU.

AS YOU SAID, THEN YOU CAN BECOME MORE ACTIVE IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:52:48AM >> COME BACK AS A CITIZEN MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:52:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
THANKFULLY, THIS IS NOT GOOD-BYE.
THIS IS JUST SEE YOU IN A DIFFERENT CAPACITY.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU.
CONGRATULATIONS.
WE'LL MISS YOU.
10:53:02AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
10:53:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
JUST CONGRATULATIONS.
MAY I ASK WHERE YOU ARE GOING?
10:53:09AM >> FLORIDA ENVIRONMENTAL FIRE AND GOVERNMENT LAW.
IT WAS JUST FOUNDED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR BY LAURA
DONALDSON IF YOU HAVE HEARD OF HER BEFORE.
SHE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY.
AND NEED SOMEONE TO COME HELP OUT.
SHE REPRESENTS LOTS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND DID A LOT OF
ENVIRONMENTAL WORK.
SHE WAS FORMERLY THE GENERAL COUNSEL FOR S.W.F.W.M.D.
SHE NEEDED SOMEONE WHO KNEW ENVIRONMENTAL AND LOCAL
GOVERNMENT LAW TO HELP HER OUT.
10:53:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S AWESOME.
GOOD FOR YOU.

SWITCHING JOBS AND SWITCHING FIRMS IS ALWAYS DIFFICULT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING DIFFERENT BILLING SYSTEMS, HERE
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA YOU DON'T BILL BY .1.
IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING SWITCHING FIRMS AS AN ATTORNEY.
JUST CONGRATULATIONS.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED HERE IN TAMPA?
10:54:03AM >> I JUST HAD MY FIVE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY.
10:54:06AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CONGRATULATIONS.
YOU'VE BEEN PART OF A GREAT TEAM.
LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, WE HAVE MANY, MANY AMAZING ATTORNEYS HERE
IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
JUST WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
10:54:16AM >> IT IS TRULY ONE OF THE BEST LAW FIRMS IN THE CITY.
THESE ATTORNEYS YOU HAVE HERE ADVISING ARE AMAZING.
AMAZING TEAMMATES AND MENTORS AND ARE ALL DOING THEIR
HARDEST TO DO THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY AND CITY COUNCIL.
10:54:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND MANISCALCO.
10:54:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR FIVE YEARS IN FOR
PUBLIC SERVICE.
I KNOW YOU'LL STILL HAVE A HEART FOR IT AFTERWARDS.
I WORKED AND KNOW A LOT OF LAWYERS AND YOU ARE A VERY
IMPRESSIVE ONE.
I'M SURE YOU'LL BE INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
LET US KNOW IF WE CAN HELP YOU IN THE FUTURE.
10:54:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU AND WISH YOU THE BEST MOVING

FORWARD AND BEST OF LUCK.
WE APPRECIATE AND WILL MISS YOU.
10:54:59AM >> SAME HERE.
THANK YOU.
10:55:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU AGAIN.
WE'LL SEE YOU TONIGHT.
10:55:04AM >> YES, IT WILL BE THE BROWNFIELD SHOW.
10:55:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND PUBLIC COMMENT -- OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON
TO ITEM NUMBER 3, MS. KOPESKY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK THIS
OFF?
I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU TO GUIDE US
THROUGH FROM COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE.
10:55:38AM >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
DEFINITELY SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE.
I THINK WHEN WE LAST SPOKE, A FEW MONTHS BACK, THERE WAS
DIALOGUE AROUND GETTING THE PLAN ACTUALLY TO A PLACE WHERE
THEY COULD START EXECUTING TO THE 26th.
AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO COME BACK TOGETHER ONCE
YOU HAD TIME TO GIVE THOUGHT TO MORE LIKE THE PRINCIPLES AND
THE PROCESS AND THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO CONSIDER MORE
THEORETICALLY ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
AGAIN, I AM LITERALLY SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE.
SO I THINK WHAT WE HAD INTENDED WAS IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION
THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AROUND JUST BEING PREPARED TO
TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNCIL

BELIEVES IS IMPORTANT AS THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO
EXECUTE AND PLAN THE NEXT CYCLE OF THE PROGRAM.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL PROBABLY DEFER AND ASK IF OUR TWO
FOLKS CAN COME UP AND JOIN IN TERMS OF WALKING THROUGH.
I WAS NOT NECESSARILY PREPARED TO GO STRUCTURALLY THROUGH
THIS.
10:56:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT,
THIS WILL BE A DISCUSSION, I FELT LIKE, AS WE HAVE THE
DISCUSSION, YOU CAN HELP CORRAL IT BACK IN AND FOCUS IN AS
COUNCIL STARTS DISCUSSING IT, FOCUS US BACK IN WHERE WE NEED
TO BE TO GET TO A SUCCESSFUL CONCLUSION.
AS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, I THINK OUR STAFF CAN BE HERE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
GO AHEAD.
10:57:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY IN
THE BACKGROUND ON THIS BECAUSE THIS WAS MY MOTION.
I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE BIGGER, BROADER QUESTIONS THAT I
THINK WE SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELVES DURING THIS.
THIS IS NOT, BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT
FUNDING THROUGH E-MAIL THIS WEEK, THIS IS NOT ABOUT FUNDING.
THIS IS ABOUT HOW TO FUND.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS -- AND
THEN MAYBE, MS. SCHARF, IF YOU WANT TO PRINT OUT THAT E-MAIL
AND BRING IT UP SO YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE WOLF SO WE CAN KIND

OF TAKE A LOOK AT THESE QUESTIONS.
SHOULD THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUNDING BE USED TO FILL
GAPS IN CITY PROGRAMMING?
WHAT IS OUR GOAL?
DOES THE CITY HAVE STATED GOALS?
AND DOES COUNCIL HAVE A LIST OF GOALS THAT DIFFER FROM THE
CITY'S GOALS?
I THINK OVERALL OUR THING TODAY IS WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS?
WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH?
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT.
ARE WE TRYING TO -- I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION
TO START US OFF ON, WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE SOCIAL ACTION
AND ARTS FUNDING?
10:58:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAD THAT LAST TIME AND KIND OF WENT OFF
THE RAILS ON IT.
10:58:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S WHY -- GOING OFF THE RAILS OR NOT, YOU
SENT OUT AN E-MAIL OR YOUR AIDE SENT OUT AN E-MAIL ASKING
ALL OF US TO FOCUS ON THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE.
AND THAT'S THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS?
WE NEED -- I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE SAID OR THAT WAS
MY IMPRESSION IS WE ARE USING THIS TO FILL GAPS, BUT WHAT
KIND OF GAPS?
WHAT IS THE GOAL?
UNTIL WE ANSWER WHAT THE GOAL IS, WE CAN'T ANSWER THE REST

OF THESE QUESTIONS.
WE REALLY CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT OUR GOAL
IS.
10:58:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE HAD CLEARLY, I THOUGHT, HAD
CONSENSUS PRIOR TO THE LAST FISCAL YEAR IN THIS DISCUSSION.
THAT THE GOAL WAS WE WERE GOING TO ASSIST ORGANIZATIONS THAT
HELP FULFILL STRATEGIC GOALS OF CITY OR COUNCIL.
IF THEY ARE DOING A SERVICE THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING OR
SUPPLEMENTING A SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE, THAT THERE IS A
BUSINESS MODEL FOR THAT JUSTIFICATION TO BE ABLE TO USE
TAXPAYER MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND THEN -- I USE THE SULPHUR SPRINGS ISSUE AND STEPPING
STONES, BECAUSE THE POOL IS OUT OF SERVICE UP THERE.
WE HAVE ISSUES WITH AFTER-SCHOOL CARE.
WE SAID THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO USE ANOTHER
AGENCY TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACE A PROGRAM THAT
THE CITY WAS NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE.
SO THAT WAS GOOD JUSTIFICATION.
SOMEHOW SOMETHING HAPPENED DURING THE BUDGET TIME AFTER WE
HAD THIS DISCUSSION, WE WENT OFF THE RAILS AND STARTED --
EVERYBODY STARTED JUMPING IN.
IT SEEMED TO BE QUITE CHAOTIC IN HOW IT ENDED UP WORKING OUT
IN THE END.
I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE DILIGENT ABOUT STICKING WITH THE

GOALS OF -- WHAT THE STRATEGIC GOALS OF THESE FUNDS ARE FOR
WHEN WE'RE USING THE TAXPAYER MONEY AND WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY
FUNDING.
11:00:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE POINT OF THIS
DISCUSSION TODAY IS TO COME UP WITH A STATEMENT THAT DOES
THAT.
WHAT IS THE GOAL?
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT NONE OF THESE
QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED UNTIL WE REALLY DECIDE WHAT OUR
GOAL IS.
11:00:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
11:00:47AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
KIND OF ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
SO WHEN I THINK OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GOAL IS AND JUST
THINKING THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN NONPROFITS AND GOVERNMENT,
WHETHER IT BE CITY OR COUNTY, FILLING IN THE GAP.
I THINK OF SOME OF THE GAPS RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY I TALK
ABOUT YOUTH ALL THE TIME.
FILLING THE GAPS WITH OUR YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT
BE PROGRAMS, WHETHER IT BE EDUCATION.
WE JUST HAD PUBLIC COMMENT EARLIER TODAY ABOUT GETTING
INFORMATION OUT TO SENIORS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE
CITY.
IF WE DON'T HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE TO GO OUT, IS THERE AN
ORGANIZATION THAT CAN HELP TO BRING INFORMATION TO OUR
SENIORS, THOSE NOT AS TECH SAVVY OR DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS TO

THE TECHNOLOGY.
RIGHT NOW IF WE THINK ABOUT JUST KIND OF THE STATE OF WHERE
WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A LOT OF FOOD INSECURITY.
A LOT OF ISSUES WITH HOUSING.
FOR ME, WHEN I THINK -- THE NONPROFITS ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP
FILL THE GAPS THAT WE CANNOT OR THAT WE NEED ASSISTANCE
WITH.
I COME FROM NONPROFIT BACKGROUND.
WHEN WE HAD AN INFLUX OF OUR STUDENTS THAT NO LONGER COULD
AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY, SO WE HAD TO MOVE OUR PROGRAMS
OUT INTO THE COUNTY.
WE HAD TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOL SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO
FOLLOW OUR STUDENTS.
WE'RE STILL FILLING THE GAP BUT ALSO STILL FOLLOWING THOSE
STUDENTS AND THERE'S NO LACK OF SERVICES.
THE NONPROFITS ARE SUPPOSED TO COME IN AND HELP MAKE SURE
THERE ISN'T A LACK OF SERVICE, THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO KEEP
UP WITH THOSE FAMILIES.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID TO HELP FILL OUR YOUTH GAP OF WHAT WE
WERE DOING.
I FEEL LIKE WHATEVER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING
FUNDING TO OR PARTNERING WITH, THEY ARE ALMOST LIKE AN
EXTENSION OF US AND HELPING US TO CONTINUE TO GET SERVICES
OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
11:02:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:02:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG SAID.
I WOULD ALSO SAY IT'S ABOUT VALUES AS WELL AND THE VALUES
THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUALLY, COLLECTIVELY.
AND IT IS ABOUT FILLING GAPS.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I PUSHED PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
THERE IS A GAP AS BIG AS THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS THERE, OKAY.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE GROUPS WE HELPED, THINGS LIKE THE
PENGUIN PROJECT, DEALING WITH THE ARTS FOR PEOPLE WITH
INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, BEFORE THE CITY OF TAMPA GOT
INVOLVED, THEY WERE VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH UNDERFUNDED
AND STILL ARE, BUT WE GET THEM BETTER.
HAGAR, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW ABOUT THE FOLKS BECAUSE OF THE
NEW TAMPA PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WHICH I KNOW YOU ARE A BIG
SUPPORTER OF AS NEW TAMPA RESIDENT.
VETERANS, WE'VE HAD 25 YEARS STRAIGHT OF WAR IN THIS
COUNTRY, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF RETURNING VETERANS, INCLUDING
FOLKS, CASEY WHO SPOKE, HE IS A VETERAN AND A LOT OF
DIFFERENT FOLKS.
BY HELPING OUT VETERANS HELPING VETERANS, HELPS HOMELESS
VETERANS, HELPS VETERANS ABOUT TO GET KICKED OUT OF THEIR
HOUSE.
FOLKS WHO CAN'T FUND UTILITY BILLS AND VETERANS TREATMENT
PROGRAM THAT IS OUR VALUES.
I COME ON THIS AS A PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT WE SHOULD BE

SUPPORTING THESE GROUPS.
OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T STRETCH A DOUBLE INTO A HOME RUN.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN BALANCE AND WE HAVE TO BE
FISCALLY PRUDENT AND HAVE SCRUTINY.
I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION DOES A GOOD JOB ON THAT.
SHOUT-OUT TO THE FINE YOUNG MAN, ANDREW, FOR THE GREAT WORK
HE'S DONE ON THIS.
WE'VE ALL HAD SO MANY CONVERSATIONS ON IT.
BUT I'M A PROMOTER OF THIS AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BECAUSE I
WAS ELECTED TO PROMOTE MY VALUES AND MY COMMUNITY'S VALUES.
SOME OF THE THINGS I PUSHED ON HERE UNAPOLOGETICALLY.
I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH COMMUNITY STEPPING STONES THAT
COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
GREAT ORGANIZATION.
IT MAKES MY BLEEDING HEART BLEED MORE.
HAVE AT IT.
WE NEED TO HAVE SCRUTINY, TALKING ABOUT NUMBER OF YEARS, WE
SHOULD HAVE THEM REVIEWED EVERY CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS.
THERE ARE SOME WE CAN SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU ARE INDEPENDENT,
DOING GREAT, GLAD THAT WE COULD HELP YOU, RIGHT BUT NOW
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND THEN SOME PROBABLY WITH US FOR A
WHILE.
WE SHOULD HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES.
TO ME IT COMES TO VALUES.
11:05:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

11:05:08AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SEE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN WHAT
WE DO HERE.
COMMUNITY STEPPING STONES KEEPS THE YOUTH BUSY IN AN AREA OF
TOWN THAT IS FORGOTTEN, NEGLECTED.
AS JOSEPH ROBINSON, A FORMER -- PAST PRESIDENT OF THE
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO PASSED AWAY, HE SAID THIS IS
THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A FACT BUT IT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE
POOREST NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF WE ARE MAKING THE INVESTMENTS, THE RETURN IS THERE.
FEEDING TAMPA BAY, ALTHOUGH IT IS A LARGER ORGANIZATION,
WHEN WE HAVE HURRICANES GOING BACK TO IRMA, GOING BACK TO
THE HURRICANES FROM TWO YEARS AGO, THEY WERE OUT THERE ON
THE FRONT LINES AND THEY WERE FEEDING PEOPLE THAT WERE
WITHOUT POWER FOR DAYS.
THEY WERE SETTING UP SHOP THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
IT WASN'T YOU JUST GO TO THEM, THEY WERE GOING OUT AND
PROVIDING FOOD.
CATHOLIC CHARITIES, ALL THE WORK THEY DO.
I CAN GO DOWN THE LIST.
RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS THERE.
ANY BOOST THAT WE GIVE THEM HELPS TO FURTHER EXPAND THEIR
PROGRAMMING.
I'VE SEEN IT FIRSTHAND WITH JUST THE ONES I'VE NAMED.
THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, YOU REALLY CAN'T EVEN PUT A VALUE

ON IT.
HOW DO YOU PUT A VALUE ON INVESTING IN OUR YOUTH, KEEPING
YOUTH OUT OF TROUBLE, FEEDING PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
WORKING THAT ARE ELDERLY, THAT ARE BY THEMSELVES.
FEEDING TAMPA BAY I SAW IT FIRSTHAND.
I VOLUNTEERED THERE.
AND I SEE THAT THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
THE DIVIDENDS THAT IT PAYS, THEY ARE VERY CLEAR IN A LOT OF
THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
11:06:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:06:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE AND AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU, BUT
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE GOAL?
Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE GOODNESS OF THE PROGRAMS.
BUT THE POINT IS, WHAT'S THE GOAL?
11:06:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
TO FILL THE GAPS.
11:06:46AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
I'M JUST LISTENING TO YOU.
WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IF YOU RECALL WHEN WE HAD YOUR
PRIORITIZATION DISCUSSION FOR FISCAL '27, WE KIND OF STARTED
AT THE BEGINNING.
THE BEGINNING IS THE CITY'S GOALS.
AGAIN, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MAP THIS TODAY, BUT WE CAN AT
LEAST CONTINUE TO CONCEPTUALLY TALK ABOUT, I THINK WHAT YOU
HEAR IN BEST PRACTICE PEOPLE DO IS THEY ARE IDENTIFYING
FIRST AT THAT ORGANIZATIONAL LEVEL, THE CITY, WHAT THOSE

GOALS ARE.
WE BUY INTO THOSE.
WE BUILD OUR BUDGETS AROUND THOSE, PROGRAMMING AROUND THOSE,
SO THERE IS RELEVANCE TO WHAT THOSE ARE.
MOVING FROM THOSE, I THINK THEN LEADS YOU INTO THE GAP
DISCUSSION.
I'M GOING TO USE AN EXAMPLE TO MAYBE STIMULATE THE
CONVERSATION.
IF SOME OF OUR MASTER GOALS ARE RELATED TO WORKFORCE OR
RELATED TO YOUTH OR AGAIN TUCKED UP UNDER FOOD INSECURITY,
HOMELESSNESS, UNDER THE MASTER PILLARS, THEN START THERE.
I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
WITH YOUTH, I WOULD SAY ONCE WE DEFINE, OKAY, DO WE HAVE A
GAP WITH YOUTH?
AND IS THAT, AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S COMING AS A PLUG UNDER A
MASTER OBJECTIVE, THEN CLEARLY WE SERVICE SOME OF THAT
INTERNALLY.
WE HAVE PARKS AND REC.
WE ARE DOING SOME OF THAT.
BUT WHAT IS THE GAP RELATED TO YOUTH?
CLEARLY WITH THE SULPHUR SPRINGS EXAMPLE, IT WOULD APPEAR
THAT WE SAW PERHAPS A NEED FOR SPECIFIC TARGETED PROGRAMMING
IN AN AREA.
BUT WE IDENTIFIED THE GAP AND THAT THEN FED AND INFORMED HOW
THE BUDGET DOLLARS WOULD BE USED.

THIS IS NOT A BUDGET DISCUSSION, BUT WE KNOW IT'S LIMITED
AND WE KNOW IT WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN '26 AND MOST
LIKELY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GROW NEXT YEAR.
NOT TO OVERTAKE THE CONVERSATION, WHEN I HEAR COUNCILMAN
VIERA TALK ABOUT VETERANS, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE
WHERE THAT CASE, AGAIN, MY OPINION, MAY NOT AGREE, WHEN WE
THINK ABOUT MASTER GOALS AND WHERE IS THE GAP, THAT ONE
MIGHT BE WE RELY ALMOST 100% ON A THIRD PARTY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE INSTITUTIONALLY HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD
REALLY UNTIL THE COMMITTEE STARTS AND OTHER THINGS OWN THAT
PARTICULAR ONE.
I THINK AS YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO
INFLUENCE HOW THE ADMINISTRATION CARRIES THIS FORWARD, I
THINK IT REALLY IS A BIT OF A WORKSHOPPING OF WHAT ARE THOSE
AREAS OF GAPS AND THEN I THINK YOU CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT,
AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE ANOTHER EXAMPLE TO GET THE JUICES
FLOWING, ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS GOING TO BE A LARGE,
PERMANENT RELIANCE?
LET'S TALK ABOUT CATHOLIC CHARITIES, RIGHT?
THAT IS A LARGE EFFORT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT WILL
NEVER GO AWAY.
IT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY IF WE'RE LUCKY BE ABLE TO GROW AND
IT SERVICES BOTH SAFEKEEPING OF THE HOME AS WELL AS THE
FOOD.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THIS GROUP WOULD TALK THROUGH,

ALL RIGHT, IF WE HAVE AN ANNUAL BUDGET AND WE BELIEVE WE
WANT TO BE A GOOD LONG-TERM PARTNER TO THIS PERSON, THEN
PERHAPS PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS AROUND -- PERHAPS THE TERM
IS WRONG -- HOMELESSNESS AND FOOD INSECURITY, ARE THEY
ONGOING GAPS THAT WE'LL CHOOSE TO PERMANENTLY FUND
EXTERNALLY?
YOU ARE STARTING TO BIFURCATE THE CATEGORIES OF THINGS WHERE
THE GAP EXISTS BUT PERHAPS IT WILL BE AN ONGOING LONG-TERM
PARTNERSHIP, MAYBE EVEN AN OUTSOURCING, LET'S USE THE WORDS,
VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE THE ONES THAT WOULD COME IN AND OUT
THAT ARE FILLING GAPS, BUT THEY ARE ALSO LOCAL AND KIND OF,
OH, SPECIFIC TO MAYBE A PARTICULAR DISTRICT OR WHAT IS
NEEDED.
I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GOING OFF, WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE
IDEA OF WE AGREE WE HAVE GAPS.
DO WE AGREE ON WHERE THOSE GAPS ARE?
11:10:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WANT TO INJECT SOMETHING INTO THIS, AND
IT'S NOT PROBABLY VERY POPULAR.
IN SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HITS ON
IT A LITTLE BIT, THE CITY OF TAMPA IS KIND OF THE LOWEST
LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT IN THIS EQUATION.
SO YOU'VE GOT FEDERAL AID AND FEDERAL PROGRAMS.
YOU'VE GOT STATE PROGRAMS, YOU'VE GOT COUNTY PROGRAMS AND
THEN WITH THE CITY.
A LOT OF THESE LARGER GROUPS, I LOOK AT THE CITY OF TAMPA AS

FILLING IN THE CRACKS, NOT FILLING IN THE CANYONS, RIGHT?
ESPECIALLY WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAYBE -- THEY ARE
NOT LARGE ORGANIZATIONS.
THEY CAN'T WRITE THE BIG GRANTS TO GET THE BIG PROGRAM MONEY
FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR THE STATE.
YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.
THEY ALSO HAVE LARGE FUND-RAISING OPERATIONS INDEPENDENT OF
GOVERNMENT.
SO THEY ARE ABLE TO SUSTAIN, AND OUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE
RELATIVELY INSIGNIFICANT AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THE PENGUIN
PROJECT, COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHERE OUR CONTRIBUTION MAKES A
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE TO THEIR EXISTENCE OR SOME OF THESE
OTHER TYPES OF THINGS.
I THINK ACTUALLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP,
THE VETERANS THING, BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF PROGRAMS FOR
VETERAN ASSISTANCE.
A LOT OF PROGRAMS.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT BEING ANTI-VETERAN.
THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH OUR VERY, VERY LIMITED RESOURCES, IS
THE DOLLAR BEST SPENT VERSUS SUPPORTING THE PENGUIN PROJECT,
CHOICES BETWEEN SUPPORTING A PENGUIN PROJECT AND SUPPORTING
THIS OTHER TYPE OF ORGANIZATION, I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE,
FEEDING TAMPA BAY IS ANOTHER ONE.
LARGE, INDEPENDENT, FUND-RAISING CAPABILITY, SUPPORTED BY

MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, HOW SIGNIFICANT IS OUR
CONTRIBUTION VERSUS SUPPORTING THOSE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS
THAT WE ARE THE ABSOLUTE LIFE.
WE ARE THE LIFE AND THE BLOOD OF THAT ORGANIZATION, IN SOME
OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
THE SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY WE GAVE TO STEPPING-STONES MAKES A
DIFFERENCE WHETHER THEY ARE RUNNING WELL OR NOT RUNNING
WELL.
I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF, ONE, HOW LIMITED
OUR RESOURCES ARE AND WHAT IS THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF GOOD
FOR THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE
CAN DO WITH THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AND IF WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAYBE CAN
GO OUT AND FIND THEIR MONEY ELSEWHERE, MAYBE WE'RE ACTUALLY
SCREWING OVER FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD OTHER ORGANIZATIONS
THAT WE COULD DO BETTER GOOD FOR.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:13:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THE QUESTIONS OF THE LARGER ANNUAL
REOCCURRING ALLOCATIONS, THE REASON I PUT CATHOLIC CHARITIES
AND FEEDING TAMPA BAY IS BECAUSE WE ARE FUNDING THEM AND FOR
WHATEVER REASON BUDGETARIALLY THEY ARE UNDER THIS FUND BUT
SHOULDN'T BE.
CATHOLIC CHARITIES NEEDS TO BE UNDER HOUSING. ONE OF THOSE
THINGS.
FEEDING TAMPA BAY THAT WE GAVE MONEY TO LAST WEEK, TWO WEEKS

AGO, LAST WEEK, I THINK LAST WEEK, I ASKED ABOUT THAT
BECAUSE I SAID, YEAH, WE'RE ALREADY GIVING THEM A LOT.
THAT FEEDING TAMPA BAY MONEY SPECIFICALLY HELPS TAMPA HOPE.
THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER FUNDING OF CATHOLIC CHARITIES.
THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE ISN'T THAT BECAUSE THOSE ARE HOUSING ISSUES.
BUT THIS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SMALLER NONPROFITS.
THE PROBLEM, THOUGH, COMES FROM ONCE WE START FUNDING
SOMEONE, HOW DO WE THEN PULL THAT FUNDING BACK SO WE CAN
SUPPORT OTHERS.
BECAUSE THERE ARE HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF NONPROFITS.
I WOULD GO WITH HUNDREDS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
AND WE CAN ONLY FUND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THEM.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT CONTINUOUSLY FOREVER.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHOICES.
SO STEP DOWN THE ASSISTANCE AS IT GOES ON, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE
GOALS, WE CLEARLY WANT TO FOCUS --
11:15:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DIDN'T WE REACH CONSENSUS, THREE YEARS.
WASN'T THREE YEARS THE CONSENSUS WE REACHED LAST YEAR?
11:15:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE REALLY GATHERED THAT INFORMATION.
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MS. McGREGOR HAS.
MAYBE WE'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT.
BUT WE REALLY ARE LOOKING FOR, YEAH.

11:15:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG SPEAK FIRST.
11:15:26AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WELL, I THINK THAT -- I KNOW THERE'S MAYBE NOT
A LOT OF NONPROFIT LEADERS HERE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR
FROM THEM.
I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF HELPING US TO KIND OF STRUCTURE
WHAT THIS PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE.
HOWEVER THAT LOOKS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP
OR IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING ONLINE THROUGH THE OFFICE AND
HAVE NONPROFITS GIVE INPUT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL
FOR ME.
AND THEN YOU SAID SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FILLING THE CRACKS,
NOT THE CANYONS, I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT.
I WILL SAY I KNOW AT THE TIME WHEN WE WERE GIVING OUT THE
FUNDING THAT WAS RIGHT WHEN THE COUNTY WAS CUTTING A LOT OF
FUNDING FROM A LOT OF NONPROFITS.
I KNOW WE WERE ABLE TO HELP OUT A LOT OF NONPROFITS THAT DO
SOME REALLY GREAT WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.
ALSO JUST FOR THE COUNCIL, YOU HAVE THIS ON YOUR MINDS, ONE
THING THAT I KNOW WITH NONPROFITS IS THAT THEY KIND OF HAVE
LIKE THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHILE WE'RE OUT TALKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF TIMES
THEY REALLY KNOW THE COMMUNITIES A LOT BETTER, DOWN TO NAME,
WHOSE GRANDDAUGHTER, GRANDSON, THEY KNOW A LOT.
FOR US, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FILLING IN THOSE CRACKS,
FINDING THOSE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT

CAN HELP US TO FILL THE CRACKS I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
MS. KOPESKY YOU SENT A REALLY GREAT ARTICLE YESTERDAY, AND
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT I THOUGHT
WERE GOOD, ESPECIALLY PERTAINING TO THIS CONVERSATION.
IS A NONPROFIT IN A SOLID FINANCIAL POSITION, STEADY FUNDING
OR SUFFICIENT RESERVES.
TALK ABOUT HOW LONG WILL THE PROGRAM BE.
IF WE HAVE A NONPROFIT THAT HAS THAT STEADY FUNDING OR IS
THERE SOMETHING WE CAN PUT IN THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS
FUNDING THAT TEACHES THEM, WE KNOW THIS IS ONLY THREE YEARS,
THIS IS HOW YOU GO OUT AND GET MORE FUNDING OR IS THERE A
NONPROFIT THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH TO HELP THOSE NONPROFITS
SO THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET FUNDING FOR A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME, BUT AFTER THE THREE YEARS IS UP OR HOWEVER
LONG, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN CONTINUE SO THE CRACK THAT THEY
WERE FILLING IS NOT NULL AND VOID.
DO THEY HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESSFUL COLLABORATION WITH
OTHER ENTITIES?
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL.
IF YOU PARTNER WITH ONE ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A NETWORK,
IT'S ALMOST LIKE AS WE WERE TALKING, ABOUT RETURN ON THE
INVESTMENT, NOT JUST THAT ONE NONPROFIT.
THEY HAVE A NETWORK, THEN WE FUND THEM AND THEY ARE USING
THEIR NETWORK SO THEY ARE FILLING EVEN MORE CRACKS.
THAT'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION WHEN TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE

RETURN.
HAVE THEY SUCCESSFULLY MANAGED THEIR BRAND -- ARE THEY OUT
IN THE COMMUNITY, MAKING SURE THEY ARE GETTING THE WORK
DONE.
AGAIN, THAT HELPS US.
HAVE THEY DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY TO MONITOR PERFORMANCE,
ADJUST AND REPORT IT PUBLICLY?
AGAIN, RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
HOW DO YOU MONITOR YOUR PERFORMANCE.
WE KNOW THEY ARE PERFORMING AND DOING WHAT WE NEED THEM TO
DO.
THE CRACK WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, THERE ARE 500 TEENS THAT NEED
S.T.E.M. OR WORKFORCE TRAINING, SO NOW YOU CAN COME BACK AND
SAY, OKAY, AFTER OUR TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, THIS IS WHAT
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FILL THE
CRACK OF 500.
I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, AND I THINK -- I
DON'T KNOW HOW WE PUT THAT INTO THE FUNDING, BUT I THINK
THAT COULD KIND OF HELP US KIND OF GAUGE AND MONITOR WHAT
THE CRITERIA IS WHEN WE'RE ENGAGING THOSE NONPROFITS.
11:19:06AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
I THINK I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT THE
COLLABORATION.
THEY TALKED A LOT ABOUT THAT IN THE ARTICLE.
EVEN THOUGH THIS DISCUSSION AROUND GAPS, WHAT WE THINK THE
GAPS, SURE, THAT'S ONE SEAT AT THE TABLE, THAT'S WHAT WE

THINK THE GAPS.
I THINK AGAIN LISTENING TO YOU, WE KNOW THE PROCESS ALLOWS
AN APPLICATION TO COME THROUGH.
BY VIRTUE OF AN APPLICATION, YOU COULD SAY, WELL, THAT'S THE
NEED.
ALL THE NOT FOR PROFITS WANT TO SIT IN.
TEASE OUT WHAT I'M HEARING, PERHAPS IN THE PROCESS, THE IDEA
UPFRONT, ASKING MORE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO
HELP IDENTIFY THE GAPS WILL THEN AGAIN INFORM AS THE
APPLICATIONS COME IN IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY HITTING THE MARK ON
WHO NEEDS WHAT.
11:19:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:19:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
REALLY FAST, ONE THING WE COULD LOOK AT IS HAVING CATEGORIES
THAT WE TALK ABOUT, WHICH IS IF WE GO, OKAY, THESE
ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING TO BE PHASED OUT AFTER THREE YEARS
STARTING IN 2027, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT
WE LOOK AT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO FULFILL THOSE CATEGORIES
LIKE DISABILITIES.
WHERE THERE'S SUCH A VERY, VERY BIG GAP.
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG AS SOMEBODY JUST STARTING HERE
WITHIN YOUR FIRST YEAR, GOD WILLING YOU HAVE AT LEAST EIGHT
YEARS LEFT HERE, RIGHT THAT YOU HAVE A BIG VOICE ON THIS,
GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE.
THE LITTLE GRANTS, THIS YEAR, BUDDY BASEBALL, I DON'T KNOW

IF YOU KNOW BUDDY BASEBALL.
BASEBALL LEAGUE FOR PERSONS WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES.
I THINK WE GOT THEM $10,000 AND A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN.
I HAVE GONE OUT TO THEIR GAMES, THEY HAVE TO BEG PEOPLE FOR
MONEY.
I THINK THERE IS A SAYING, IF BY GOING A FEW STEPS THAT
HELPS YOU WALK A MILE I'LL TAKE THE FEW STEPS, WE TAKE THE
FEW STEPS, WE HELP THOSE FOLKS WALK A MILE.
LOOK, ARE THERE GOING TO BE MISTAKES IN THIS?
OF COURSE, THERE ARE.
OF COURSE, THERE ARE.
I'M REMINDED OF -- REALLY BUTCHER THE SAYING FROM FRANKLIN
ROOSEVELT, SOMETHING, BETTER A GOVERNMENT -- REALLY GOING TO
BUTCHER IT -- BUT IN HELPING PEOPLE MAKES A COUPLE OF
MISTAKES RATHER THAN A GOVERNMENT THAT IS STUCK IN ICE COLD
INDIFFERENCE.
WE SHOULD HELP PEOPLE.
ARE WE GOING TO MAKE MISTAKES ALONG THE WAY?
ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THE GOOD IS GOING TO OUTWEIGH THE BAD A HUNDRED TO ONE.
IT IS.
JUST MY VIEW.
11:21:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.
THIS REALLY COMES OUT OF VERIFICATION THAT'S IT.
IS IT FACTUAL?

YES OR NAY.
HAVE THEY DONE THEIR JOB?
YES OR NAY.
SOMEHOW IT HAS TO BE VERIFIED.
11:21:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IF IT IS ALIGNED WITH THE STRATEGIC
GOALS SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WEIGH IT AGAINST.
IS THIS JUST A CHARITABLE DONATION OR IS THIS ALIGNED WITH
STRATEGIC GOAL, REALLY DOING SOMETHING FOR THE CITY --
11:21:56AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HAVE TO VERIFY THE GOAL HAS BEEN DONE.
11:22:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JANELLE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP?
AS ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS PROGRAM, WHICH I'M SURE YOU ARE
DELIGHTED TO DO, CAN YOU MAYBE HIGHLIGHT WHAT YOU WOULD SEE
AS MAYBE SOME RUBBING OFF THE ROUGH EDGES OR GUIDANCE.
11:22:23AM >> SURE.
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN.
AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HOSTING THIS DISCUSSION.
JANELLE McGREGOR, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
PARTNERSHIPS AND THE MAN WHO NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION, ANDREW
ELMAN, GRAB THE BULL BY THE HORNS ON THIS PROGRAM EARLIER
THIS YEAR.
AS MY PORTFOLIO GEARS UP FOR THE FISCAL YEAR '27 FUNDING
CYCLE AND MOST NOTABLY AS CFO DENNIS ROGERO AND HIS
AWARD-WINNING BUDGET TEAM PREPARE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A
BUDGET IN THE NEXT COMING WEEKS, WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS

CONVERSATION TODAY WILL HELP SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT COUNCIL DESIRES TO ESTABLISH FOR THE SOCIAL ACTION
AND ARTS FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR '27.
AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, AS WE'VE DONE IN
PREVIOUS YEARS, TO ENSURE THAT COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES AS A
BODY ARE REFLECTED WITHIN THAT BUDGET THAT WILL BE PRESENTED
TO YOU.
AND IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT INCLUDES, OF COURSE, THE
BUDGET PRESENTATION AND PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.
BUT THAT FIRST STEP WE'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST EARMARKING WHAT
THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE SO THEN WE HAVE A
FRAMEWORK TO WORK WITHIN AS WE CONTINUE THESE CONVERSATIONS
ON STRATEGY OF WHO IS GOING TO BE SUPPORTED.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, THREE YEARS AGO WE SAID THAT
ORGANIZATIONS WILL START TO RECEIVE CUTS YEAR OVER YEAR
BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO GET TO THAT POINT OF
SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMMUNICATED TO EVERY
ORGANIZATION WHEN THEY RECEIVE THEIR FUNDING NOTIFICATION
FROM MR. ELMAN.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO CONTINUE THOSE COLLABORATIVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL AS A BODY AND INDIVIDUALLY ON
WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE AND THEN ENSURING THEY ARE
REFLECTED WITHIN THE BUDGET PRESENTATION WHICH KICKS OFF THE
PROCESS FOR BUSINESS REIMBURSEMENT OF THE MONIES TO THE

ORGANIZATIONS.
11:24:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, COULD YOU REMIND
COUNCIL WHERE WE LANDED AS FAR AS THE BUDGET?
11:24:55AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
I WILL BRING MR. ELMAN UP TO GIVE A MORE 10,000 VIEW OF
THIS.
BUT WE STARTED OUT AT ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS WHEN THE
BUDGET WAS PRESENTED.
AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE SURPLUS, THERE WAS AN EXTRA 500,000
THAT WAS ADDED.
NOW, WHILE THAT MONEY WENT TO SUPPORT A GREAT NEED AND AS WE
DISCUSSED FILLING THE CRACKS, WHAT IT DID CAUSE IS A DELAY
IN OUR DISBURSING THE MONEY TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE
INITIALLY TOLD THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE THAT FUNDING.
THAT IS WHY I'M HERE ENCOURAGING COUNCIL TODAY TO KIND OF
HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SHAPED UP NOT JUST WITH THAT DOLLAR
AMOUNT, BUT WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WE WANT TO SEE FUNDED
AND REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET, SO BY THE TIME THE BUDGET IS
APPROVED, THEN WE CAN BEGIN THAT DISBURSEMENT.
IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, I COULD HAVE MR. ELMAN COME UP
AND GIVE THAT 10,000-FOOT VIEW.
11:25:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A PLEASURE THAT
WILL BE.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:25:59AM >> THANK YOU, JANELLE.

ANDREW ELMAN, OFFICE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
PARTNERSHIPS.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR HAVING ME TODAY.
HAPPY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS WE LOOK TO 2027.
ALSO THANK CARL BRODY FROM LEGAL AS WELL AS CITY STAFF FOR
HELPING MAKE THIS PROCESS A LOT SMOOTHER.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD 58 ORGANIZATIONS AND YOUR RECENT REGULAR
CITY COUNCIL AGENDA HAVE BEEN MUCH LONGER BECAUSE I'VE BEEN
TRYING TO PUT AS MANY ON THERE AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN MOVE
THIS PROCESS FORWARD.
WE WERE A BIT DELAYED THIS YEAR SO I'M TRYING TO GET AS MANY
ORGANIZATIONS AS APPROVED AS POSSIBLE.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR OUTSTANDING EITHER NOT PLACED ON
AGENDA OR NOT APPROVED YET.
AS OF TODAY WE HAVE ABOUT $300,000 OUT THE DOOR.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO LOOK TO NEXT YEAR AND TO MAKE THAT A MORE
EFFICIENT PROCESS AS WE START EARLIER IS THE GOAL.
I ALSO HAVE A LIST OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'RE FUNDING THIS YEAR THAT I THINK
WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I CAN.
IT'S LESS LEGIBLE, BUT I CAN -- YES, I KEEP IT CLOSE TO MY
HEART.
FOOD ASSISTANCE.
WE HAVE THREE ORGANIZATIONS.

DISABILITIES, WE HAVE TEN ORGANIZATIONS.
HEALTH, WE HAVE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS.
11:27:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU SLOW DOWN?
FOOD?
11:27:22AM >> FOOD ASSISTANCE, THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
FOR DISABILITIES, WE HAVE 10 ORGANIZATIONS.
FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS, WE HAVE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS.
FOR VETERAN SERVICES WE HAVE FOUR ORGANIZATIONS.
FOR YOUTH, WE HAVE 14 ORGANIZATIONS.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS.
WE HAVE SEVEN ART ORGANIZATIONS.
TWO ORGANIZATIONS FOR HISTORY.
AND FOUR ORGANIZATIONS FOR EDUCATION.
11:28:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ALL ARE SCRIBBLING LIKE THERE'S GOING
TO BE A QUIZ.
[ LAUGHTER ]
11:28:14AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP IN
COORDINATING WITH ME AND YOUR AIDES' HELP FOR GETTING THE
INFORMATION FROM THE ORGANIZATIONS.
ONE THING I HEARD MENTIONED WAS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THESE
ORGANIZATIONS ARE DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO BE
DOING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IMPROVING FOR NEXT
YEAR.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

THANK YOU.
11:28:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:28:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND ANDREW.
YOU'VE HAD THE PATIENCE OF JOB, MAN, IN DEALING WITH SO MANY
DIFFERENT INQUIRIES AND ORGANIZATIONS GOING, WHERE IS MY
MONEY?
WHERE IS MY MONEY?
YOU HAVE JUST DEMONSTRATED GREAT PATIENCE.
I HOPE YOUR PARENTS ARE WATCHING BECAUSE I HOPE THEY ARE
PROUD OF YOU.
I KNOW THEY ARE.
I MEAN IT.
11:28:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:28:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ARE THESE THE GROUP -- ARE THESE THE GROUPS
THAT WE ARE HAPPY WITH FUNDING, FOOD, DISABILITY, HEALTH,
VETERAN, YOUTH, HOUSING, ART, HISTORY, AND EDUCATION, IS
HOUSING, MR. ELMAN, IS HOUSING THE CATHOLIC CHARITIES AND
FEEDING TAMPA BAY?
11:29:16AM >> CATHOLIC CHARITIES IS NOT ON THE LIST FOR FISCAL YEAR
2026.
11:29:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S UNDER HOUSING I THOUGHT.
11:29:24AM >> THHI I HAD ORIGINALLY APPLIED.
I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS ON WHICH ORGANIZATIONS WE
HAVE AS HOUSING.
BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK AND GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.

11:29:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THHI HAS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
NOT REALLY SURE WHY THEY WOULD COME TO US FOR MORE.
11:29:44AM >> DEFER TO MS. KOPESKY QUICKLY.
11:29:47AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
DREAM BUILDERS MISSION HOMELESS HELP CENTER
AND THEN THE PORTICO HOUSING.
11:29:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO REALLY, THAT'S MORE HOMELESS OUTREACH THAN
HOUSING.
11:30:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAME THING.
11:30:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT ISN'T THE SAME THING BECAUSE HOUSING COULD
BE LIKE HELPING PEOPLE FIND --
11:30:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TYPE OF PERSON.
STILL HOUSING.
11:30:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THEN AS FAR AS FOOD GOES, WHO ARE OUR
FOOD FOLKS?
11:30:22AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
THE FOOD IS FEEDING TAMPA BAY -- HAGAR
KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST -- FEEDING TAMPA BAY.
THAT WAS THE LARGEST, AS YOU MENTIONED, 200,000.
DREAM BUILDERS MISSION, MORE ON THE FOOD SIDE.
AND THEN 813 HOOD GARDEN SPACE.
11:30:39AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE'RE LOOKING AT -- OKAY.
SO, I MEAN, DO WE LIKE THIS DISBURSEMENT OVERALL THEN?
ARE WE HAPPY WITH THIS?
11:30:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT WE STARTED WITH WAS $1 MILLION IN FY
'26.
WE ENDED UP GETTING A BONUS BECAUSE OF LEFT-OVER MONEY.

AS WE SAW IN MIDYEAR CYCLE, THIS IS GOING TO BE A TIGHTER
BUDGET PROBABLY IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROJECT, RIGHT?
I CAN'T IMAGINE WE'LL HAVE MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
ONE ITEM THEY READ WAS ONE-FIFTH OF THAT BUDGET JUST TO
HIGHLIGHT THAT.
GETTING BACK DOWN TO FILLING THE CRACKS VERSUS FILLING THE
CANYONS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO FILL THE CRACKS VERSUS --
ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND THEIR MONEY AT FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY
AND ALSO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, EXACTLY.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
GOSH, DON'T COME AT ME BECAUSE I LOVE THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REAL.
MS. JANELLE.
11:31:43AM >> JANELLE McGREGOR, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
PARTNERSHIPS.
JUST FOR COUNCIL'S AWARENESS, IN FISCAL YEAR '26, 39 OF THE
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE FUNDED WERE RECEIVING RECURRING
FUNDING.
OF THOSE 58, 19 OF THOSE WERE NEW ORGANIZATIONS.
I KNOW THAT IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION COUNCIL HAS HAD
PREVIOUSLY IS ENSURING THAT WE ARE KIND OF WEANING THOSE
ORGANIZATIONS OFF AND MAKING ROOM FOR THE NEW ONES AS WELL.
JUST A QUICK NOTE ON THE ACCOUNTABILITY, WE HEAR YOU LOUD

AND CLEAR, AS ANDREW SAID, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
WORKING TO STRENGTHEN IS OUR PROGRAM EVALUATION AND
MONITORING.
WE KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LIKE WHEN WE KNOCK
ON THEIR DOORS TO ASK THEM EXACTLY HOW THE FUNDING IS GOING
TO BE SPENT.
I'M SPENDING MY SATURDAY GOING THROUGH THOSE YOUTH
ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THEM THIS SUMMER,
DOING THAT THIS WEEKEND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JOIN ME.
AND TO GO BACK AND ASK THEM AS THE ADMINISTRATION HOW WE CAN
BETTER PARTNER WITH THEM TO ENSURE THOSE FUNDS ARE BEING
UTILIZED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
11:33:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT IS
11:30.
OUR GOAL IS TO BE OUT OF HERE BY 1:00, AND WE STILL HAVE
QUITE A FEW ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
PROBABLY TO WRAP THIS, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME STRATEGIC
DISCUSSIONS OF PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO JANELLE AND HER
DEPARTMENT OF HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD CRAFTING FY '27.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:33:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
TIME ME.
30 SECONDS.
NUMBER ONE, IT IS MY BELIEF THAT PORTICO ALLOTMENT IS ONE
YEAR, RETURNING CITIZEN HOUSING.

SHOULD BE OFF.
NUMBER TWO FOR THE SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP, I'LL BE MAKING
A MOTION TO MOVE THAT OUTSIDE OF THIS INTO THE GENERAL
BUDGET BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE PERMANENT.
SO, YEAH.
THAT'S ALL.
30 SECONDS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:33:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:33:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO THE GOAL.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET AWAY FROM CITY
COUNCIL BEING INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND INSTEAD USING THE
APPLICATIONS FOR YOU ALL TO DETERMINE WHAT ORGANIZATIONS ARE
CHOSEN.
FOR ME, I HEARD A LOT ABOUT YOUTH AND VETERANS TODAY.
AND LOOKING AT THIS DISABILITY, FOOD, ALL OF THESE ARE
THINGS THAT WE -- ALL OF THESE ARE ORGANIZATIONS OR
CATEGORIES.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE HOMELESS AND HOUSING WE'RE PROBABLY
DONE WITH FOR NOW.
IF THE PORTICO IS OFF AND THEY DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE, THEN
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THHI, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY.
SO REALLY LOOKING MORE AT YOUTH VETERAN, HEALTH, DISABILITY,
FOOD, EDUCATION, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS I THINK FOR ME I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ART AND HISTORY, I DON'T MIND THE

CATEGORIES, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO, WHAT I WOULD
LIKE TO SEE YOU BRING BACK IS IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THESE
CATEGORIES, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT EACH CATEGORY, WHAT IT
CORRESPONDS TO IN THE CITY'S GOALS.
AND IF IT CORRESPONDS TO MORE THAN ONE THAT'S EVEN BETTER.
THAT'S MEASURABLE TO ME.
IF YOU WERE TO BRING US BACK A LIST, AGAIN, THIS COULD JUST
BE A WRITTEN REPORT OR JUST AN E-MAIL OUT TO US.
I PREFER NOT TO MAKE IT A MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL GO
FASTER IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO SIMPLY GET AN E-MAIL OUT.
AND THEN WE CAN RESPOND MAYBE TO MS. KOPESKY SO EACH OF US
CAN RESPOND TO MS. KOPESKY TO TALK OR TO SHARE WHAT WE
REALLY THINK THE BEST MELDING OF THAT MONEY IS, SO WHEN YOU
GET THE APPLICATIONS, YOU CAN FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT TOUCH
MOST OF THE GOALS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
11:35:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK TO CAPTURE THIS IN PERPETUITY, IT
WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION.
11:36:03AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT MS. McGREGOR AND HER STAFF
TAKE THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING AND FIND AND
ATTACH THE GOALS, THE CITY OF TAMPA'S GOALS TO EACH CATEGORY
TO SEE HOW MANY OF THOSE GOALS REALLY MATCH.
AND I'M NOT LOOKING -- I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THE
10,000-FOOT VIEW EITHER.

YOU'LL HAVE TO GO A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTH.
SO THE MOTION IS TO CONNECT WITH THE GOALS, EACH OF THESE
CATEGORIES, AND TO E-MAIL THEM OUT TO COUNCIL BY THE END OF
NEXT WEEK.
A BEGINNING ITERATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE -- END OF NEXT WEEK IS JUNE 5 -- I'M SORRY.
NOT THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
SORRY.
SO JUNE 12.
BY JUNE 12, TO ALLOW COUNCIL TO SEE HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE
BEST ALIGNED, AND THEN TO WORK -- AND TO WORK WITH
MS. KOPESKY OR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO WORK WITH MS. KOPESKY
TO KIND OF SOLIDIFY AND RANK THE PRIORITIZATION, IF THAT
MAKES SENSE, BASED ON THOSE GOALS.
11:37:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT MAYBE -- DON'T
ALIGN WITH THE GOALS.
11:37:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S EXACTLY IT.
WE MAY FIND ONE THAT ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS 40%.
MAYBE THE 40% OF THE MONEY COMES FROM THAT.
BUT THAT'S MY MOTION.
LONG AND CONVOLUTED AS IT IS.
11:37:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
MS. KOPESKY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT?
11:37:47AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
GO AHEAD AND FINISH THE MOTION.
11:37:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK?
11:38:03AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHAT DID I WANT TO SAY?
11:38:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER?
DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO STOP?
11:38:12AM >> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THIS GIVES US THE FRAMEWORK WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR COUNCIL'S TRUST IN PUTTING THIS, THE BALL IN
OUR HANDS AND TO PROVIDE IT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION MOVING
FORWARD.
THANK YOU.
11:38:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE?
11:38:25AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS GROUP TO KEEP THIS EFFICIENT, WE
STARTED OUT BY IT IS NOT A DISCUSSION ABOUT SPECIFIC DOLLARS
BUT IT IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT DOLLARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE NOW, BUT LET'S BE
REALISTIC.
WE HAVE SIX WEEKS BETWEEN NOW AND THE BUDGET.
WE KNOW OUR SITUATION IN TERMS OF GENERAL 30,000 FEET WHERE
WE ARE.
WE HAD A MILLION DOLLAR TARGET WHEN WE DID THE INITIAL PLAN.

WE UPPED IT VIA USING SURPLUS FUNDS TO 1.5.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GROUP AGREE TO BASICALLY PROVIDE
THE ADMINISTRATION BACK A FIGURE THAT THEY THINK IS
REASONABLE TO WORK THROUGH SO THAT AS THE BUDGET CONTINUES,
WE ARE HELPING THEM SET A REASONABLE LIMIT, I GUESS IS
ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M SAYING.
11:39:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SAY SET A TARGET FOR
$1 MILLION FOR THIS FUND.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:39:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY, HAD TO STEP OUT FOR A MINUTE.
I AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF ALIGNING THIS WITH GOALS.
AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN PRIOR MEETINGS, I THINK IT NEEDS
TO BE TIED TO WHAT ARE THE SERVICES THAT CAN'T AS WELL BE
PROVIDED BY THE CITY.
WHAT ARE THE GAPS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED BY THE NONPROFIT
THAT THE CITY DOESN'T OFFER OR THAT THE NONPROFIT CAN
LEVERAGE OTHER RESOURCES TO DO BETTER.
AND THEN AS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID, ANY OF THESE
NONPROFITS THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO DEPARTMENTS, SO SOME OF THE
WORKFORCE TRAINING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PAST, WE SUGGESTED

MOVING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN IT'S DIRECTLY GOING TO BE APPROVED BY ESPECIALLY IF
IT IS GOING TO GO MORE THAN ONE YEAR TO BE APPROVED BY A
DEPARTMENT, AS TO WHETHER IT IS EFFICIENT OR NOT.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS MAKE THE COMMUNITY THINK THIS IS
A SLUSH FUND WHERE THEY CAN ASK FOR MONEY.
NOT AT ALL.
CITY DOESN'T HAVE EXTRA MONEY.
WE HAVE A HUGE BACK LOG AND HUGE DEBT NO YOU THAT WE NEED TO
PAY.
OTHER THING, IT SHOULD BE OUTCOME FOCUSED, NOT OUTPUT
FOCUSED.
WE NEED TO FOCUS ON MEASURABLE OUTCOMES.
OTHER THING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS, I WOULD
SUGGEST CHANGING THE NAME, TOO.
IT COULD BE CALLED THE NONPROFIT PARTNERSHIP FUND.
OR IT COULD BE CALLED THE COMMUNITY LEVERAGE FUND.
IT HAS TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING YOU ALL MIGHT COME UP WITH
SOMETHING BETTER, BUT NEEDS TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING WHERE
WE'RE LEVERAGING LIMITED CITY DOLLARS TO ACCOMPLISH THE
GOALS THE COMMUNITY SET FOR US.
NOT JUST THE CITY'S GOALS BUT IDEALLY THE GOALS SHOULD BE
SET ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND NEEDS AND SEE HOW THEY
CAN HELP US MOVE THAT FORWARD.
11:41:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TASK ANDREW, LOOK AT THAT YOUNG BRIGHT

MIND.
11:41:11AM >> ANDREW HAS A REPORT HE NEEDS TO DELIVER BY JUNE 12.
11:41:19AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, HAD MOTIONED FOR THE BUDGET
TO BE KEPT AT 1 MILLION.
IT'S PRESENTLY 1.5.
11:41:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
HALF MILLION OF SURPLUS FUNDS FY '26, THE BUDGET WAS ONE.
11:41:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WITH THAT, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN 1.5 MILLION LAST
YEAR.
11:41:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WAS 1.5 BECAUSE HALF MILLION OF
SURPLUS.
11:41:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN I ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION OF THAT SO I CAN
VOTE NO?
JUST FOR THE RECORD.
11:41:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECONSIDER, SECOND FROM
COUNCILMAN VIERA, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SET THE BUDGET FOR FY '27 FOR WHAT IS
CURRENTLY REFERRED TO AS SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND, SAAF,
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
11:42:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NAY.
11:42:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CLERK.

CAN YOU CALL THAT FOR US?
11:42:15AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH VIERA VOTING NO AND HURTAK
BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:42:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:42:20AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE OTHER QUICK THING, ONE OF THE REASONS I
SUGGESTED THESE NAMES IS BY HAVING THE WORD ARTS IN IT, HAD
MEETINGS WITH TWO DIFFERENT ARTS GROUPS YESTERDAY, THE
IMPRESSION IS THAT THE CITY IS FUNDING THE ARTS.
AND I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THE ARTS, I PERSONALLY AND
THROUGH MY COMPANY PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME INTO IT.
FOR THE CITY'S PURPOSES NOT ONLY TIED TO GOAL, REALLY HAS TO
BE TIED TO OUTCOMES.
WHAT WE FOUND IN THE ST. PETERSBURG MODEL AND THEN WE'VE
SEEN IN OTHER PLACES IS THAT -- IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN
THE ARTS AND TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION.
IF WE'RE GOING TO FUND THE ARTS, IT'S NOT FUNDING PUBLIC
ART.
IT IS FUNDING THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN -- IT'S EITHER
HELPING TO BUILD THE INDUSTRY OF THE ARTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
KRESS CONTEMPORARY BUILDING, HELPING TO BUILD UP THE
CAPACITY OF INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS TO SELL THEIR WORKS, SO THAT
IS AN INDUSTRY.
SCULPTURE IN ST. PETE, MARK AILING WHO SELLS HIS SCULPTURES
NATIONALLY FOR $250,000 -- FORD SELLS HER THREE, FOUR

HUNDRED THOUSAND, ALL OVER THE WORLD.
HOW DO WE GET OTHER ARTISTS TO SELL MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
ART A YEAR THAT'S CREATING AN INDUSTRY OF THE ART.
ACTUALLY SOMETHING HIGH VALUE SPENT, $20 ON PAINT, $50 ON A
FRAME AND THEN YOU SELL IT FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS,
THAT'S BRINGING REAL VALUE INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
THE OTHER THING IS THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE ARTS AND
INNOVATION.
THE IDEA OF KRESS CONTEMPORARY IS THAT IT SUPPORTS THE
PROGRAMMERS, FURNITURE, PROGRAMMERS WHO WILL COME IN, THE
DEFENSE CONTRACTORS LIKE L 3 AND OTHERS.
SO THE ARTS ARE JUST LIKE IN ST. PETE, INEXTRICABLY TIED TO
INNOVATION TECH.
11:44:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
11:44:10AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
ONE MORE THING BECAUSE I HEARD IT A COUPLE
OF TIMES.
I WANT TO REMIND THIS BODY, OBVIOUSLY THE FINANCIALS IS A
CORE PART OF WHAT YOU DO, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE
CURRENTLY CALL SOCIAL ACTION, BUT AS THE PROCESS IS
APPROPRIATE TO PLACE IT WHERE THE OWNER OF THE PORTFOLIO
WILL BE, NOT QUESTIONING THAT.
BUT WHEN I HEARD COUNCILMAN VIERA SAY, HEY, I'M GOING TO
MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE MOVE SOMETHING WITH DISABILITIES
PERMANENTLY INTO A SECTION OF THE CITY, THAT'S UNDERSTOOD,
BUT AT THE CORE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AID, AID TO

SOMEWHERE.
WE CAN LABEL IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GROUP
REMEMBERS, WHETHER IT IS CATHOLIC CHARITIES SITTING OVER AS
AN AID ITEM IN HOUSING, WHETHER ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY,
BECAUSE THINGS HAVE LANDED THERE THAT USED TO BE IN SOCIAL
ACTION OR WHERE WE PLACE THE THINGS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT YOU
NEED A REPORTING MECHANISM THAT LETS YOU KNOW THAT OVER TIME
THE INVESTMENT WE'RE MAKING, NOT JUST THE LITTLE POT THAT WE
HAVE OF $5,000 ITEMS OVER HERE, IT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO
SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION AS IT GETS OWNED AND WE
NEED TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP OUR
FINGER ON THE PULSE OF WHAT THAT IS.
BECAUSE IT IS AID TO SOMEONE.
11:45:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO KNOW WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT DIMINISHES
COUNCIL'S ROLE IN FUNDING COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES FOR THINGS
LIKE THIS.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
11:45:32AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
QUICK QUESTION.
THINKING WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I KNOW ORIGINALLY THE POT WAS FOR A MILLION AND THEN HAD THE
SURPLUS FUNDING FOR HALF A MILLION, WHICH IS WHY WE DID
THAT.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE LIKE A GRANT SO IN THE
EVENT WE HAVE THE SURPLUS FUNDING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE, BUT IN THE EVENT IF WE WERE TO HAVE

SURPLUS FUNDING THERE IS A GRANT THAT THE NONPROFITS COULD
APPLY FOR?
11:46:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT IS A DISCUSSION ONCE WE GO TO
THE BUDGET.
WHEN WE GET TO THE CARRY-OVER PERIOD, BUT ALSO REALIZE
THERE'S STREET PAVING, SIDEWALKS, FLOOD MITIGATION, LOTS OF
NEEDS, LIMITED RESOURCES.
11:46:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULDN'T BE MY NONPROFIT SELF IF I DIDN'T
TALK ABOUT -- HAD TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
11:46:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE.
WE'RE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:46:32AM >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
11:46:34AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:46:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WELCOME.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME.
11:46:47AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M ANTOINETTE, CEO FOR TAMPA/HILLSBOROUGH HOMELESS
INITIATIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS THHI.
I'M ASKING FOR THE FUNDING FOR THHI BE REINSTATED AS WE HAVE
RECEIVED FUNDING FROM THE CITY FOR STAFFING AND PLANNING
SINCE 2004.
THESE FUNDS ARE NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT A CONTINUUM OF CARE
SYSTEM CAN CONVENE PARTNERS, COORDINATE SERVICES,
COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEADERS AND
CONTRACT WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON THE ISSUE OF

HOMELESSNESS.
THHI RECEIVES FEDERAL, STATE, AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT FUNDS
FOR STAFFING AND PLANNING.
THESE FUNDS ARE CRITICAL TO MAINTAIN THE DATABASE THAT
COORDINATES THE DELIVERY OF SERVICES IN HOUSING TO THOUSANDS
OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO ENSURE THAT IT'S DONE EFFICIENTLY
AND WITHOUT DUPLICATION OF SERVICES.
FUNDING ALSO HELPS TO SUPPORT OUR ANNUAL HOMELESS POINT IN
TIME COUNT, OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING, POLICY DEVELOPMENT,
COMMITTEES, AND WORKSHOPS.
IT ALSO PROVIDES TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING TO OUR
COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
THHI HAS ALSO STEPPED IN THE GAP DURING NATIONAL DISASTERS
WHEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY HAVE TAKEN A WHILE TO PROVIDE
THOSE FUNDINGS.
CURRENTLY THHI IS ADMINISTERING THE CITY'S EMERGENCY
SOLUTIONS GRANT.
AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE 2021.
THHI RECEIVES $6,744 TO ADMINISTER OVER $263,000 OF FUNDS ON
BEHALF OF THE CITY.
IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE'VE RECEIVED UP TO $190,000 FOR
STAFFING FUNDS.
WE WERE EXPECTING TO GET THOSE FUNDS IN FY '2026.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION THAT WE WOULDN'T.
AND WE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION THAT WE WOULD, THEN WE RECEIVED

NOTIFICATION AGAIN THAT WE WOULDN'T.
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS SAID THAT I WANT TO MAKE SOME
CLARIFICATIONS TO.
WE HAVE A NETWORK OVER 120 COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT COME
TOGETHER ON A MONTHLY BASIS, IN-PERSON, QUARTERLY, VIRTUALLY
EVERY MONTH OTHER THAN THAT.
ALSO, THHI ONLY RECEIVES LESS THAN 2% OF ADMINISTRATION
FUNDS ACROSS ALL FUNDING LEVELS.
SO THE MONEY GOES STRAIGHT BACK OUT TO THOSE NOT-FOR-PROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE FUND ON BEHALF OF LOCAL --
11:49:52AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
11:49:56AM >> ANY QUESTIONS?
11:49:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO, TIME IS UP.
THIS IS JUST PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT'S ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION.
NO TALKING TO US.
11:50:04AM >> THANK YOU.
11:50:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:50:08AM >> SURE.
I'M DR. LAUREN HUFF, FOUNDER CEO OF DAUGHTERS NEED A FATHER,
INCORPORATED.

WITH THIS NONPROFIT, WE ADVOCATE FOR GIRLS GROWING UP IN
FATHER-ABSENT HOUSEHOLDS, AND WE ALSO DO WORKSHOPS FOR
SINGLE MOTHERS TO HELP THEIR DAUGHTERS REACH THEIR FULL
POTENTIAL.
IF YOU HAVE EVER SPOKEN TO ANY FOUNDERS, YOU KNOW THERE IS A
PERSONAL STORY BEHIND WHY THEY STARTED THE ORGANIZATION.
SO WITH DNAF, WE STARTED IN 2011 IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
THE REASON WHY I STARTED, IT WAS BECAUSE MY FATHER WAS
INCARCERATED THE FIRST TEN YEARS OF MY LIFE AND MY
DAUGHTER'S FATHER WAS MURDERED BEFORE SHE WAS BORN.
I SAW SIMILARITIES IN WAYS SHE ACTED OUT IN COMPARISON TO
WAYS I ACTED OUT AS A YOUTH.
I TRIED TO FIND AN ORGANIZATION TO HELP ME WITH MY DAUGHTER,
BUT THERE WAS NOT ANYTHING OUT THERE.
THERE WERE ORGANIZATIONS FOR BOYS GROWING UP IN
FATHER-ABSENT HOUSEHOLDS, BUT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING TO HELP
GIRLS.
I DON'T RECEIVE ANY TYPE OF GRANTS OR FUNDING.
I DO THE WORK BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT,
AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S MY PURPOSE.
I AM INTERESTED IN POSSIBLY APPLYING FOR THE GRANT THAT YOU
SPOKE ABOUT.
I WAS UNAWARE THAT WAS EVEN AVAILABLE SO THAT I COULD REACH
MORE PEOPLE.
WE CURRENTLY PARTNER WITH DRESS FOR SUCCESS, THEIR MOVING

FORWARD PROGRAM.
WE GO OUT AND WE SPEAK TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE WOULD
LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING WITH THE CITY SO THAT
WE COULD HELP THAT POPULATION.
THANK YOU.
11:51:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
HEARING NONE, OKAY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 4, COUNCIL DISCUSSING THE CONVERTING
THE CONVENTION CENTER TO ENTERPRISE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK US OFF?
11:51:48AM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH ADMINISTRATION SENT A MEMO A COUPLE OF
MONTHS AGO ESSENTIALLY SAYING NO.
MY INTENTION IN TRYING TO SET IT UP AS AN ENTERPRISE IS SO
WE CAN TRACK THE ACTUAL COSTS, NOT WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT
IT WOULD BE PROFITABLE, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE,
SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE ACCOUNTING.
OPERATES LIKE A BUSINESS.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SUBSIDY IS.
THE WAY THE ADMINISTRATION REACTED TO THE QUESTION WAS TO
SEND US ALL KINDS OF PROPAGANDA HOW THE CONVENTION CENTER IS
IMPORTANT.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT ALREADY.
I KNOW THAT.

THE CITY COUNCIL AND PUBLIC NEEDS CLARITY AS TO WHAT THE
SUBSIDY IS AND THE INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE PUT ALL IN ONE
PLACE.
I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE LISTED THAT WAY SO WE CAN TRACK
THE NUMBERS.
11:52:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:52:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP, BUT I
LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THE CONVENTION CENTER DOES NOT HAVE A GUARANTEED STREAM OF
MONEY COMING IN AS THE OTHER FOUR DO, WATER, WASTEWATER,
SOLID WASTE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH MAKING ENTERPRISE FUND.
IN ORDER TO BE AN ENTERPRISE FUND YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE
THAT YOU HAVE A PRODUCT THAT YOU ARE SELLING TO YOURSELF OR
TO MAKE MONEY TO FLOAT THE WHOLE THING.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
THE CONVENTION CENTER, IN FACT, IS A MONEYMAKER IN A LOT OF
OTHER DIFFERENT WAYS.
AT ONE TIME, WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER AND ALL OF A
SUDDEN WE HAD A CONVENTION CENTER, NO CONVENTION HOTEL.
WE REALLY LOST A LOT OF MONEY WHEN IT WAS THAT WAY ON BOTH
SIDES.
HOWEVER, SINCE THEN, IT HAS CERTAINLY MADE AN IMPROVEMENT IN
THE AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES WE HAVE DOWNTOWN, THE AMOUNT OF
HOTELS THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY HOTEL OF ANY SIZE OR ABILITY TO CREATE.
FIRST ONE THAT GOT HERE WAS THE MARRIOTT WATERSIDE AND THAT
WAS DONE UNDER DICK GRECO.
HOWEVER AFTER THAT CAME, CONVENTION CENTER STARTED TO
BLOSSOM, CONVENTION HOTEL WITHIN A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET AND
OTHER HOTELS, OH, DOING WELL, I'M DOING WELL.
I'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN TAMPA.
THEN FOUR OR FIVE DOWNTOWN.
NOW YOU STILL HAVE, AND YOU CAN CHECK MY RECORD ON THE
ABILITY OF THE HOTEL.
I THINK FIRST OR SECOND IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY FOR ROOMS AVAILABLE.
LIKE THE MID 80%.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE A GUARANTEED IF TO
UNDERSTAND FUND IT.
DOESN'T HAVE A GUARANTEED FUND OF FUNDING.
WHATEVER COMES, COMES.
THEN COMES VISIT TAMPA BAY.
THEY HAVE DONE, IN MY OPINION, EXTREMELY WELL JOB FOR THE
CITY OF TAMPA AND FOR OTHERS AROUND US.
THEY HAVE BROUGHT US NOT ONLY CONVENTIONS FROM ALL OVER THE
WORLD, TWICE THEY BROUGHT BOLLYWOOD WHICH IS GREATER THAN
HOLLYWOOD IN PRODUCING MOVIES AND HAVING THE REVENUES AND NO
ONE HAD I DON'T THINK TWO YEARS IN A ROW, COME FROM INDIA TO
TAMPA TO HAVE THEIR BOLLYWOOD.

THAT IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO HAVE.
I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT -- NOT DISAGREEING TOTALLY IN
CONCEPT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY SURE BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS
THIS IS POLITICS.
ST. PETE DOES NOT HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER.
GUESS WHAT ST. PETE HAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, A LOT OF BEACHES
VERY CLOSE BY.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
WHEN ST. PETE BUILDS ONE, AND THEY WILL, SOONER OR LATER,
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE CONVENTION CENTER REALLY NEEDS.
IT NEEDS TO EXPAND BY DOUBLE THE SIZE IT HAS OR WE WILL BE
OUT OF BUSINESS WITHOUT THE HOTEL OR WITH THE HOTELS IN TEN
YEARS.
TWO LARGE, THREE LARGE CONVENTION CENTERS IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S ORLANDO, CHICAGO, AND LAS VEGAS.
WE DON'T HAVE SPACE IF WE WANTED THEM.
NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THE LIFE LINE OF THIS DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT IS
THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN NOT WITHIN THE CITY, BUT OUTSIDE THE
CITY THAT SPEND THEIR MONEY HERE.
THE CONVENTION CENTER IS PART OF THAT CIRCULAR OPERATION
THAT I JUST TALKED, TO BRING PEOPLE TO TAMPA.
TAMPA HAS COME FROM A SLEEPY LITTLE TOWN THAT ONLY HAD
CIGARS MANUFACTURING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THAT'S WHAT
WE'VE BEEN KNOWN FOR AND DID WELL.

ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT DIED OUT AND CAME DOWN TO GROUND ZERO.
WE ARE NOW A DESTINATION POINT FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.
WE ARE A TOURIST AREA WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT AND GOT TO
ACT LIKE ONE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:56:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER
WOULD BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND AT THIS
STAGE OF ITS LIFE CYCLE.
IT'S INTERESTING.
I SEE DAVID IS HERE.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I KNOW WE HAVE PLANS FOR POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF THE
CONVENTION CENTER.
EXPAND OR DIE.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE FACILITIES IN SYNC WITH THE DEMAND AND
THE MARKET.
I BELIEVE TAMPA HAS GROWN TO A POINT THE MARKET IS AHEAD OF
WHERE WE ARE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.
DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS AT ALL?
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:57:25AM >> DAVID, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, WE COVER OUR EXPENDITURES.
WE DO BRICK ENOUGH REVENUES TO COVER ANYTHING WE HAVE.
LABOR, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.

WHERE WE TRULY GET SUBSIDY, WOULD BE FOR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS OR TO YOUR POINT FOR EXPANSION PURPOSES, WE
WOULD NEED SUBSIDY FROM THAT.
AFTER THE MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE DID SHOW YOU BACK IN
JUNE, I BELIEVE, WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD.
THE ONE DRAW-BACK IS FROM OUR SIDE IS IF WE DON'T MOVE,
WE'RE GOING TO START LOSING THAT BUSINESS.
WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO COME OUT OF COVID IN A POSITIVE
SITUATION.
FROM THE STATE'S PERSPECTIVE ON TOURISM PIECE.
FOR US, THAT MOVEMENT OF GROWTH IS IMPORTANT AND THE ONLY
WAY TO GET THE SUBSIDY IS EITHER THROUGH THE CITY OR FROM
THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T
CONTROL.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO START THAT
EXPANSION UNDER MY OWN REVENUE STREAMS.
11:58:26AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO ME, THE CHOICE OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND, IS
IT GENERATING REVENUE?
I WORKED WITH A BUNCH OF -- WORKED WITH A BUNCH OF
FACILITIES IN THE PAST.
YOU DO THINGS TO INCREASE ATTENDANCE OR INCREASE PROFITS.
FOR EXAMPLE, TALK ABOUT ST. PETE, ALL KINDS OF OTHER VENUES.
LONG TIME AGO I WORKED WITH THE COLISEUM WHICH WAS IN THE
MOVIE COCOON AND IT HAD BEEN LOSING MONEY FOR 20 YEARS.
CHANGED THE BUSINESS MODEL AND SUDDENLY PROFITABLE.

IT'S A PLACE THAT HAS LOTS OF EVENTS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CONVENTION CENTER NEEDS TO BE
PROFITABLE IN A PURE KIND OF P AND L, BUT IT IS GENERATING
REVENUE FROM OUTSIDE.
IT DOES MARKETING.
WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THE DEBT SUBSIDY OR GRANT
SUBSIDY SHOULD BE, DO WE SPEND 20 MILLION OR 30 MILLION OR
50 MILLION?
WHAT IS THE CONTEXT WITHIN WHICH YOU MAKE THAT.
ALL KINDS OF ANY THINGS WE COULD HAVE.
HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THAT AND FIGURE OUT THE
BASIC NUMBERS OF THE CONVENTION CENTER AS A BUSINESS
COMPARED TO OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES AND THEN LOOK AT THE
OPPORTUNITY OF SETTING THIS UP.
AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE IS GOING TO ADD TO THE OPERATING
COST AS YOU ADD THAT TO IT OR THE GRANT EQUIVALENT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK -- IT'S NOT THAT WE TRY TO DIMINISH
THE ROLE OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, AND THERE IS A BIGGER
ROLE OF ECONOMIC IMPACT AS COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SAID.
IT'S JUST BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT SHOWING ALL THE NUMBERS SO
WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.
IF YOU COME BACK WITH THE CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE 20 MILLION
VERSUS A HUNDRED MILLION, THERE'S NO CONTEXT WITHIN WHICH TO
MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW.
12:00:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DON'T YOU THINK WHEN WE COME WITH THAT,

WHEN DAVID PRESENTS A PLAN FOR EXPANSION AND SAYS WE INVEST
X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, WE EXPECT THE RETURN ON THAT
INVESTMENT, VIA ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES, WHICH YOU LOVE.
SAME DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD WITH BASEBALL.
HOW MUCH ARE WE INVESTING AND HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING BACK?
SAME KIND OF CONVERSATION WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER.
SPEND X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, HOW MUCH CAN WE EXPECT ON THE
RETURN ON INVESTMENT?
IF IT IS IN PERPETUITY, A DEFICIT, THEN, YEAH, PROBABLY NOT
A GREAT INVESTMENT.
IF WE ANTICIPATE OVER THE LIFE OF 30 YEARS, THE ECONOMIC
IMPACT OF HOTEL ROOMS, FILLING HOTEL ROOMS, ALL THE THINGS
THAT COME WITH THAT, IF IT'S A RETURN OF JOBS, ALL THE
THINGS THAT FACTOR INTO THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO FACTOR THOSE
THINGS IN, WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE BACKED UP BY SOME TYPE OF
ANALYTICS AND SCIENCE.
12:01:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THE COMPARISON.
THE COMPARISON IS WE TELL THE TAXPAYERS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS,
HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE MAKING OR LOSING.
WHEN YOU DEAL WITH AN ENTITY OUTSIDE THE REALM OF
GOVERNMENT, THEY DON'T TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT NOTHING.
I'VE BEEN HERE HOW LONG NOW AND HEARD THIS CONVERSATION FROM
THOSE WHO WANT TO COME IN, THEY HAVEN'T TOLD ME HOW MUCH
MONEY THEY GOT, HAVEN'T TOLD ME ANYTHING DIRECTLY.

THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING, WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY NAMES.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS SOONER OR LATER, THIS CONVENTION
CENTER HAS TO ENCLOSE OR ENLARGE ITSELF.
IF DON'T, DON'T HAVE A MARKET.
BY THE WAY, I NEVER TALKED TO THIS GENTLEMAN OR ANYBODY IN
THE ADMINISTRATION.
I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS HERE LOOKING AROUND.
I SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IF WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO CLOSE UP.
ONE OR THE OTHER IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
12:02:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:02:04PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST AN IDEA.
I KNOW YOU PRESENTED TO US BEFORE AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING
YOUR MANAGEMENT ABILITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
MAYBE SOMETIME TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR WE CAN PUT THIS ON
A WORKSHOP SO YOU CAN PRESENT THE COMPETITIVE CONTEXT.
HOW ON A DOLLAR AND PERCENTAGE BASIS, HOW OTHER CONVENTION
CENTERS MANAGE THEIR BASIC OPERATING EXPENSES AND REVENUE.
AND THEN THE IMPACT OF DEBT -- OR GRANTS AND HOW THAT ROLLS
UP TO IMPACT THE PRICING THAT YOU CHARGE AND THE
OPPORTUNITIES.
BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO START BUILDING NOT JUST FOR US
BUT THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE AWARE THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE
FUTURE YOU'LL COME BACK AND ASK FOR ANOTHER BIG AMOUNT OF

MONEY TO RENOVATE OR EXPAND.
I HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID.
YOU GO TO ORLANDO OR SOME OTHER CITIES, OUR CONVENTION
CENTER LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE HOTEL SPACE.
12:03:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LIKE AN OUTHOUSE.
12:03:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED BESIDES THE
MARRIOTT --
12:03:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
A PRETTY CORAL AND GREEN OUTHOUSE.
12:03:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BEAUTIFUL, WELL-RUN FACILITY.
OTHER THING BESIDES THE MARRIOTT, WE HAVE NOW MEETING SPACES
IN THE J.W. AND SOME OF THE OTHER HOTELS.
ALL THAT IS SYNERGISTIC.
12:03:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL
WITH STARTING THE PLAN OF EXPANSION TO PITCH THE EXPANSION?
12:03:36PM >> WE JUST FINISHED OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE FACILITY
ASSESSMENT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO A MASTER PLAN TO BE ABLE TO COME
BACK AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE NEED FROM A CAPITAL REPLACEMENT.
I DON'T LIKE SAYING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BUT CAPITAL
REPLACEMENT.
WE'RE 36 YEARS OLD, NEED TO START REPLACING STUFF THAT'S
OUTDATED.
SAW LAST WEEK WE HAD A PIPE CRACKED THAT HAD TO BE REPLACED.
AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING IS

GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED.
THEN TAG THAT INTO AN EXPANSION AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW
WE EXPAND THE BEST PIECE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT LEAST A YEAR FOR ME TO COME BACK
AND SAY THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
PART OF THE DISCUSSION WILL BE DRIVEN BY WHAT HAPPENS WITH
THE RAYS.
12:04:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FY '28.
12:04:22PM >> PROBABLY CLOSER TO THAT.
SUBMITTED TO MIKE PERRY AND THE MAYOR'S CAPITAL REPLACEMENT
FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
WE STILL HAVE TO MASSAGE THE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE WE CAN
FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
PART OF THAT IS NOT JUST A BUDGETARY NUMBER.
I'LL PICK A NUMBER.
LET'S SAY IT'S 90 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
GIVE ME $9 MILLION FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, $90 MILLION.
OR YOU CAN GO I HAVE THAT PROJECT OF $9 MILLION, BUT THAT'S
A THREE-YEAR PROCESS, NOW IT BECOMES A CASH FLOW ISSUE.
THAT FIRST YEAR I MAY NOT NEED 9 MILLION, MAY ONLY NEED ONE.
BY THE TIME I HIT YEAR 3, I MAY NEED THE 8 PLUS WHATEVER
ELSE IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
12:05:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO DENNIS ROGERO AND MIKE PERRY'S'
WORLD.
12:05:12PM >> THE ORANGE COUNTY CONVENTION CENTER AND CONVENTION

CENTERS IN FLORIDA.
VISIT TAMPA BAY ASKED ME TO DO QUICK RESEARCH FOR THEM.
SUBSIDY FROM AN OPERATING STANDPOINT COMES OUT OF SOME FORM
OF TOURISM DEVELOPMENT TAX WITHIN THE STATE.
IF YOU GO TO TEXAS, CALLED THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.
NASHVILLE HAS HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.
THEY ALSO HAVE TAX ON FOOD AND BEVERAGE IN DEFINED AREAS.
WHATEVER SUBSIDIES THAT THEY HAVE ARE COMING NOT JUST FROM A
CAPITAL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ALSO COMING FROM AN OPERATION
PERSPECTIVE.
JUST TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF REFERENCE.
$90 MILLION IS WHAT ORANGE COUNTY CONVENTION CENTER MADE
LAST YEAR IN REVENUES.
EXPENDITURES WERE ROUGHLY 115.
THAT DELTA OF $20 MILLION CAME OUT OF THE TOURIST
DEVELOPMENT TAX.
PLUS ALSO ADDITIONAL FUNDING 35 TO 50 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR
CAPITAL PROGRAM.
GRANTED I'M TALKING APPLES TO GRAPES, WE'LL SAY.
NICE, SAY GRAPES, BECAUSE THEIR TDT IS ALMOST $400 MILLION,
SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
FROM DAY ONE FROM WHEN THEY STARTED THAT SUBSIDY WAS CREATED
SO THERE ALWAYS WAS THAT, IF THERE WAS A DELTA, IT WOULD BE
COVERED.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT.

12:06:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S WHY I SAID WE COULD PRESENT THE
COMPARISON SET BY DOLLARS AND BY PERCENTAGES SO WE WOULD
KNOW.
THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE IN GOING THROUGH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE
IF THERE IS THE EXPECTATION THAT MOST -- THAT MOST OF THE
SUCCESSFUL CONVENTION CENTERS HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AT
LEAST WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT.
I KNOW THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE IN
MAY NEXT YEAR, AND TALKING ABOUT 2028, BUT DO YOU THINK IT
WOULD BE HELPFUL TO JUST HAVE YOU PRESENT THE WHOLE CASE AND
THE NUMBERS LIKE THE BUSINESS OF THE CONVENTION AND WHAT THE
POSSIBILITIES ARE WITHOUT ALL THE FINISHED NUMBERS.
DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO DO THAT IN A WORKSHOP?
THE FIRST WE'RE AVAILABLE IS SEPTEMBER.
12:06:55PM >> 50,000-FOOT VIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF
THAT WILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH DATA TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD
AND SAY, OH, I'LL PICK A NUMBER, LET'S SAY I NEED A HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS FOR CAPITAL REPLACEMENT AND BY THE TIME YOU
MOVE FORWARD, THE NUMBERS WE WOULD HAVE FOR EXPANSION,
PICKING A NUMBER AGAIN, PLEASE, THIS IS NOT ACCURATE, MAYBE
A BILLION DOLLARS.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THAT, YOU'RE SHIFTING THAT LINE EVEN
FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
HATE TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT YOU DON'T --
12:07:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BASED ON LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION, I

THINK PROBABLY MAKING IT A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION, YOU HIT IT
ON THE HEAD IN REFERENCE TO MAY OF NEXT YEAR, I THINK IF YOU
PLAN FOR THAT TYPE OF A PRESENTATION AFTER THE NEW COUNCIL
IS IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE NEW
PEOPLE COMING AND MAYBE FOR YOUR PLANNING PURPOSES, STAGING
AND PREPARING A REPORT WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD BEGINNING OF
WHAT WILL HAPPEN FOR FY '28, MAYBE WE COULD PUT ON OR AT
LEAST SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT PUT ON THE CALENDAR
FOR FY '--
12:07:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH ALL THAT, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT
WE NEED THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT.
WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS THAT WE FIND OUT ON A FRIDAY THAT
IT'S COMING UP ON A THURSDAY, AND THEN YOU PRESENT AND WE
HAVE TO VOTE.
BETTER TO BUILD THE ARGUMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER VENUES TO DO THAT IN, TOO.
SOME OF WHAT CHARLIE SAID AND SOME OF WHAT YOU SAID, ALL
NEEDS TO BE PACKAGED TOGETHER TO MAKE THE CASE FOR THE
CONVENTION CENTER.
SOMEBODY SUDDENLY SPRINGS ON THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
HEY, YOU HAVE A WEEK TO DECIDE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO
SUPPORT THE CONVENTION CENTER, THERE'S NO CONTEXT FOR IT AND
THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
12:08:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:08:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
JUST ADD ONE THING, PLEASE, WHEN YOU'RE

DOING YOUR PLANNING, SEE IF YOU CAN GET PEOPLE WALK ACROSS
THE HALL FROM ONE SIDE SO WE DON'T IMPEDE THE TRAFFIC.
THAT WAY THE PEOPLE IN HARBOUR ISLAND CAN MAYBE HAVE RELIEF
SOMEHOW.
12:08:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN.
12:08:57PM >> I HAVE A GRAND VISION.
IT'S A QUESTION OF TIME AND MONEY.
I HAVE SOME TIME AND NO MONEY.
12:09:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALWAYS THAT MONEY PROBLEM.
12:09:04PM >> ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THAT.
12:09:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HE'S GOT IT ALL RIGHT THERE AT THE TABLE.
HOW ABOUT WE PUT THIS ON YOU AS A BURDEN TO COME BACK AND
GET ON THE CALENDAR, COUNCIL'S CALENDAR SOMETIME AFTER THE
NEW COUNCIL COMES IN IN MAY, MAYBE JUNE, JULY, WHICH WOULD
BE GOOD FOR RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH YOURSELF AND
INTRODUCING THE CONVENTION CENTER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY WISE PLAN.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?
HEARING NONE.
OKAY.
WE ARE DONE WITH THAT ONE.
ITEM NUMBER 5.
REMEMBER, WE START WITH OUR NAME.

EVERYBODY THAT SPEAKS, START WITH YOUR NAME.
12:10:00PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
KENYETTA HAIRSTON-BRIDGES, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE TAMPA
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
12:10:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN WE BRING THE PRESENTATION UP ON THE
PUBLIC MONITORS, PLEASE?
12:10:11PM >> ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON
LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL DESIGN GUIDELINES TODAY.
TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUE, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF URBAN
PLANNING AND MOBILITY, KAREN KRESS, AS WELL AS ZEINA KAMAL,
PLANNING COORDINATOR.
ALSO JOINING US IS OUR CONSULTANT, DAVID EHRLICH FROM
FINWATER ADVISORS.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION WILL SUMMARIZE THE FINDINGS AND THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT EMERGE FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS
AS WELL AS STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS TO EVALUATE LARGE
FORMAT DIGITAL SIGNAGE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AT THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, OUR MISSION IS TO
CHAMPION THE VIBRANCY AND GROWTH OF DOWNTOWN BY CONVENING
STAKEHOLDERS, EMBRACING INNOVATION AND REALLY NURTURING THE
DOWNTOWN THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MISSION, THE STUDY WAS GUIDED IN
ACCORDANCE WITH OUR MISSION AS WELL AS SEVERAL KEY
CONSIDERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, INCLUDING URBAN

DESIGN, PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, OPERATIONAL IMPACTS,
STAKEHOLDER AND PUBLIC FEEDBACK, AND A LONG-TERM PUBLIC
REALM STEWARDSHIP.
AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE MEETINGS, FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY CONTINUE TO
EVOLVE WITH EMPHASIS ON CONTACT SENSITIVITY AS WELL AS
APPROPRIATE SAFEGUARDS.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE PROCESS BEGAN FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S
REQUEST FOR THE PARTNERSHIP TO LEAD THE DESIGN GUIDELINES,
AND THAT WAS REALLY REQUESTED BY THE LATE COUNCILWOMAN
GWENDOLYN HENDERSON.
THE MOTION WAS MADE FOR US TO LEAD THE STUDY AND EVALUATE
LARGE FORMAT DESIGNS IN DOWNTOWN.
FOLLOWING THAT REQUEST, A FORMAL SELECTION PROCESS WAS
CONDUCTED WITH GENSLER BEING SELECTED TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN
GUIDELINES ALONGSIDE A BROADER TEAM.
FROM THERE, THE PROCESS INCLUDED A SERIES OF COMMUNITY
PUBLIC MEETINGS, MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH MEETINGS,
PEER CITY RESEARCH AND BEST PRACTICE RESEARCH, AS WELL AS
COORDINATION WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS CONVERSATIONS
WITH F.D.O.T. AND MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF REFINEMENT BASED UPON
THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK.
TODAY'S AGENDA WE WILL WALK THROUGH THE PURPOSE OF THE
STUDY.
WE WILL ALSO TALK ABOUT THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH, PEER CITY

RESEARCH, PROPOSED DESIGN CONTROLS, AND THE RECOMMENDED
FRAMEWORK FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
OVERALL, THE PROGRAMMATIC PURPOSE OF THE STUDY WAS TO
EVALUATE WHETHER DIGITAL INSTALLATIONS COULD FUNCTION AS
PLACE-MAKING ELEMENTS WITHIN DOWNTOWN'S BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
AND IF APPROPRIATELY REGULATED IT WOULD SUPPORT PUBLIC SPACE
ACTIVATION, ARTS INTEGRATION, CIVIC MESSAGING, AND
PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED EXPERIENCES.
AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO
KAREN KRESS, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND URBAN MOBILITY,
WHO WILL WALK THROUGH STAKEHOLDER CONCERNS.
12:13:30PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
WHAT IS THIS LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL SIGNAGE?
IT'S SIGNAGE -- KAREN KRESS, TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
WHAT IS IT?
SIGNAGE THAT FITS INTO THE BUILDING ENVIRONMENT AND ENHANCED
BY ART AND PLACE MAKING.
HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.
OFF-SITE ADVERTISING IS THE FOCUS OF THE CONTENT, AND IT
WILL BE BOTH INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL PREMIER ADVERTISING
WITH 20% OF THAT SCREEN TIME DEDICATED TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD LIKE TO PLAY A ROLE IN CAREFULLY
CURATING THAT.
HERE ARE A COUPLE OF LOCAL IMAGES JUST TRANSPOSED ON SOME
CITY BUILDINGS JUST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.

FORT BROOKE PARKING GARAGE AND YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR.
AS KENYETTA ALLUDED TO, WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS A VERY PUBLIC
PROCESS.
WE REACHED OUT TO THESE BUCKETS OF STAKEHOLDERS.
WE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS, LOTS OF GREAT QUESTIONS ASKED.
WE DID NOT REALLY HEAR MUCH OF NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
COMMENTS CENTERED MORE AROUND HOW MANY, WHERE WILL THEY GO,
HOW BIG WILL THEY BE, OPERATING HOURS, SHINING INTO
RESIDENTIAL WINDOWS, AND THEN FROM THE ART COMMUNITY, HOW
CAN LOCAL ARTISTS GET INVOLVED.
AS KENYETTA MENTIONED, THIS IS THE TEAM WE PUT TOGETHER.
DAVID EHRLICH WHO HAS FLOWN IN FROM DENVER, STARTED THE
DENVER THEATER DISTRICT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO.
HE SUBSEQUENTLY CONSULTED WITH MANY OTHER CITIES.
HE'S BEEN ABLE TO BRING US BEST PRACTICES AND REAL-WORLD
EXAMPLES FROM OTHER PLACES.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM TO QUICKLY GIVE YOU SOME OF THAT
INFORMATION.
12:15:30PM >> THANK YOU.
DAVID EHRLICH, FOUNDER OF FINWATER ADVISORS.
THE FOCUS OF MY TIME, 50% OF MY TIME ESSENTIALLY IS SPENT
RUNNING THE DENVER THEATER DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE
OF THESE KIND OF COMMUNITY FIRST SIGNAGE DISTRICTS
ESTABLISHED ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO.
THE REST OF MY TIME IS WORKING AROUND THE COUNTRY HELPING

CITIES DEVELOP THINGS, ATLANTA, BALTIMORE, SAN ANTONIO AND
OTHER CITIES.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES BUT WHAT'S BEEN
REALLY, I THINK VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THIS EFFORT FOR ME IS IN
WORKING WITH KENYETTA AND KAREN AND ZEINA, THE DISCUSSION
FIRST STARTS WITH WHAT IS EVERYBODY ELSE DOING?
WHAT ARE THE NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES?
THE QUESTION ALWAYS ASKED TO ME, OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
WHAT IS BEST FOR TAMPA?
IT'S REALLY A TWO-TIER ANALYSIS.
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS AROUND THE COUNTRY BUT THE
PARTNERSHIP HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, OKAY, SOME OF THESE WE'LL
ADOPT BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE, SOME OF THESE WE'RE A
DIFFERENT KIND OF TOWN, THIS IS THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
SO IT'S REALLY TWO TIERS -- NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES BUT
WHAT'S BEST FOR TAMPA.
ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALWAYS GO TO IS THIS IS
NEW FOR A DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS SUPPLEMENTAL SIGNAGE THAT HAS NORMALLY HIGHER
AESTHETICS, THAT HAS A COMMUNITY PURPOSE, HAS A REVENUE
SHARE, A TIME SHARE.
OFTENTIMES CARBON NEUTRAL.
THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT GO WITH THIS.
SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEW OPERATING ENTITY TO
IMPLEMENT THIS.

THIS HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE.
EVERY NEW CITY I WORKED IN, THIS IS SORT OF NEW.
IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICES, GENERALLY, SO LOOKING AT
ATLANTA, THEY CREATED A DISTRICT AND RAN IT THROUGH THE
BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT.
BALTIMORE DID THE SAME THING.
IN DENVER, I RUN THE DISTRICT AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AND I
HAVE A STAKEHOLDER BOARD THAT INCLUDES THE PARTNERSHIP,
VISIT DENVER, MEMBERS OF THE CITY.
SO, AGAIN, SIMILAR.
I'M VERY CLOSE TO THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT BUT A
BUNCH OF OTHER STAKEHOLDERS FROM DOWNTOWN.
SAN ANTONIO, RECENTLY PASSED THEIR DISTRICT THEY DECIDED TO
RUN IT OUT OF THE CITY.
THEY ARE BASICALLY RUNNING THEIR DISTRICT OUT OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF ART AND CULTURE.
IF I GIVE YOU A CONCLUSION IN TERMS OF WHAT I'VE SEEN AROUND
THE COUNTRY, OFTENTIMES IT IS BEST TO RUN THESE THROUGH THE
BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT BECAUSE THEIR FUNCTION IS WHAT
IS BEST FOR DOWNTOWN ANYWAY.
THEY ARE OFTEN GATHERING PEOPLE, THEY ARE GATHERING
DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS.
I WENT TO TWO OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE HELD.
THE PARTNERSHIP IS SORT OF WHERE ALL DIFFERENT GROUPS FROM
DOWNTOWN COME TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS.

SO I WOULD SAY AT LEAST FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, THE
BEST PRACTICE IS OFTEN RUNNING IT THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP.
BUT THAT WAS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP.
THE OTHER THING TO KNOW ABOUT THESE IS, AGAIN, THESE ARE
COMMUNITY FOCUSED.
THESE ARE INTENDED TO BRING A BENEFIT TO DOWNTOWN, AND THEY
HAVE.
SO IN DENVER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE REINVEST OVER A MILLION
DOLLARS A YEAR IN TERMS OF DOWNTOWN ART AND ACTIVATION EVERY
SINGLE YEAR.
WE BRING MORE LIGHT AND ART AND ACTIVITY TO DOWNTOWN AS A
RESULT OF THIS EFFORT.
SO IN TERMS OF PUBLIC BENEFITS, WHAT DO OTHER CITIES DO?
THESE DO GENERATE REVENUE AND OFTENTIMES THAT'S REINVESTED.
IN ATLANTA, REVENUE, SCREEN TIME, CIVIC AND -- ATLANTA DOES
A LOT OF MICROGRANTS.
THEY REALLY GOT FOCUSED WITH ART, LOCAL ART AND DID THAT.
BALTIMORE SIMILAR.
REVENUE AND TIME SHARE.
THEY SPECIFICALLY GIVE OUT A PERCENTAGE TO EACH OF THE FOUR
DOWNTOWN LOCAL ART ORGANIZATIONS.
IN DENVER, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE MATURE.
AS I SAID, WE HAVE A DECENT REVENUE COMING IN.
SO WE'VE SORT OF ADVANCED WHAT WE CALL ART INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE USED TO DO EVENTS AND PLACE-MAKING WHAT THE PARTNERSHIP

DOES HERE, BUT WE DECIDED TO DO THINGS LIKE PERMANENT
DIGITAL PROJECTION INSTALLATIONS.
WE LITERALLY BUILT TWO PERMANENT INSTALLATIONS AND SHOW
LOCAL ART ON TWO ICONIC BUILDINGS ALL YEAR LONG.
STARTED FIVE DAYS A WEEK, CITY CAME BACK, DURING COVID, WE
WANT MORE LIGHT DOWNTOWN.
WE ARE ABOUT TO LAUNCH NEXT MONTH OUR OWN LED SCREEN THAT
WILL SHOW HUNDRED PERCENT COMMUNITY ART CONTENT, CIVIC
MESSAGING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SAN ANTONIO DOES A TIME AND REVENUE SHARE OR WILL DO A TIME
AND REVENUE SHARE.
THEY WENT THE NEXT STEP AND THEY SAID ESSENTIALLY EVERY SIGN
HAS TO HAVE AN ART CONTRIBUTION ALONGSIDE IT.
THEY WANTED THE PUBLIC TO WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND
NOT ONLY SEE A SIGN THAT 20% OF THE TIME SHOWS COMMUNITY
MESSAGING, BUT THEY WANTED SORT OF AN ART PIECE OR LIGHT
PIECE AND THAT'S IN SOME OF YOUR MATERIALS DISTRIBUTED.
THAT'S LIKE THE CUTTING EDGE OF INVESTING INTO LOCAL ART AND
ADDING TO THE AESTHETICS.
IN TERMS OF NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES, ATLANTA DOES THAT ON AN
AD HOC BASIS.
THEY LOOK AT EACH INSTALLATION SEPARATELY.
BALTIMORE DOES NOT DO THAT AND DENVER, WE DON'T DO THAT.
I WISH WE DID.
WE WERE THE FIRST ONES.

WE SORT OF DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WHERE THIS WAS GOING.
WE ARE GOING TO EXPAND.
CITY ASKED DENVER TO EXPAND AND WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SAN ANTONIO AGAIN REQUIRES AN ART CONTRIBUTION ALONG WITH
EVERY SIGN, WHICH IS A GREAT WAY TO GET MORE MONEY INTO THE
LOCAL ARTS WORLD.
AGAIN, JUST TO CONCLUDE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NATIONAL BEST
PRACTICES, AGAIN, IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME, THERE'S ABOUT LIKE
13 DIFFERENT SECTORS IN THIS TYPE OF THING.
I THINK I ACTUALLY SENT A MEMO TO THE PARTNERSHIP THAT THE
PARTNERSHIP IS AT ABOUT 12 OF THE 13 AND SORT OF CLOSE TO
THE 13, IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICES, WHICH IS REALLY
IMPRESSIVE TO ME.
SOME OF THEM ARE NOT EXACT BEST PRACTICES.
LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THEM ARE INTERPRETATIONS OF BEST
PRACTICE AS TO WHAT'S BEST FOR TAMPA.
BUT AS A CONCLUSION, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE SORT OF PUTTING
MY NAME OUT THERE AND SAYING I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH
HOW THE PARTNERSHIP HAS SYNTHESIZED ALL THE THINGS GOING ON
AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SAY WE WANT TO BE BEST IN CLASS.
OUTSIDER'S PERSPECTIVE, TAMPA IS A VERY HOT MARKET AND
DESERVES THAT.
I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO ZEINA, BUT I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END.

12:21:48PM >> HELLO.
ZEINA KAMAL WITH THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
TO GO OVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DAVID HAD GATHERED FOR
THIS AND WHAT WOULD WORK FOR TAMPA, WE ARE SUGGESTING A
PILOT PROGRAM WITH A LENGTH OF THREE YEARS THAT IS GOING TO
BE GEOGRAPHICALLY BOUND TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AND THAT WILL INCLUDE UP TO SIX NEW SIGNS DURING THE PILOT
PROGRAM WITH A MAXIMUM OF ONE SIGN PER BUILDING, ALLOWING
FOR CORNER WRAPPED SIGNAGE WHICH TECHNICALLY, SOMETIMES TWO
SIGNS, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF LOCATIONAL CRITERIA, WE ARE RESTRICTED
BY THE F.D.O.T. RESTRICTIONS ON STATE ROADS, SO THAT IS A
650 FEET BUFFER FROM THE INTERSTATE AS WELL AS A MINIMUM OF
A THOUSAND FEET BETWEEN EACH SIGN ON THE SAME SIDE OF THAT
STREET AS WELL AS NOT ALLOWING ANY FULL MOTION VIDEO ON
STATE ROADS.
TAKING INSPIRATION FROM THAT, WE LOOKED UP WHAT WOULD WORK
FOR TAMPA.
ONE OF THE THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH WE FOUND THAT WE
WANT TO PROTECT THE RIVERWALK, SO THAT IS SUGGESTING A
200-FEET BUFFER AROUND THE RIVERWALK AS WELL AS MAINTAINING
THAT 1,000 FEET DISTANCE BETWEEN EACH SIGN AS WELL AS
PROHIBITING ANY SIGNS ON HISTORIC BUILDING OR LANDMARKS AND
PROHIBITING ANY SIGNS ON VACANT BUILDINGS BECAUSE WE WANT TO
ENCOURAGE THEM TO ACTUALLY LEASE THEM AND NOT JUST RELY ON

FUNDS THAT COME THROUGH THE SIGNAGE.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC DESIGN GUIDELINES OF
THE SIGNS, WE ARE SUGGESTING A MAXIMUM OF 25% OF THE FACADE
FOR THE SIZE OF THE SIGN.
THAT IS BASED ON THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM
DAVID AND WHAT WE FEEL WOULD BE VERY MUCH PEDESTRIAN
ORIENTED AND NOT OVERWHELMING FOR DOWNTOWN.
WE ALSO SUGGEST A MINIMUM HEIGHT OFF OF THE GROUND OF 12
FEET AND A MAXIMUM OF 60 FEET AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THE
ORIENTATION TOWARDS PEDESTRIANS.
WE ALSO SUGGEST THAT THE ENCROACHMENT TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS
MAXED AT 8 FEET, AND THAT NO SIGNS SHOULD BE POSITIONED
ACROSS FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
IN TERMS OF HOURS OF OPERATION, WHICH WAS A TOPIC THAT CAME
UP A LOT DURING OUR INPUT MEETINGS, WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT
DURING THE WEEKDAYS, SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, SUNRISE TO
11 P.M. AND THEN THE SIGNS WOULD BE TURNED OFF.
AND FOR THE WEEKEND, FRIDAY TO SATURDAY, SIGNS WOULD BE
TURNED OFF AT MIDNIGHT.
THIS IS EXCLUDING ANY SPECIAL EVENTS.
WE'RE THINKING IF THERE IS ANY HURRICANE EVACUATION OR
ANYTHING THAT WOULD WARRANT FOR THE SIGNS TO REMAIN UP FOR
THE PUBLIC SAFETY OR PUBLIC CAUSE, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
FINALLY, WE HAVE THE MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS AND DIMMING WHICH
ARE STANDARDS THAT WERE SET BY THE CONSULTING GENSLER, WHICH

ARE IN THE TECHNICAL DOCUMENT THAT ALLOW FOR A SPECIFIC TIME
BETWEEN HOW FAST THE BRIGHTNESS CAN BE INCREASED OR
DECREASED TO PROVIDE KIND OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND VEHICLE
SAFETY.
I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO KENYETTA.
12:25:18PM >> ONE CORRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION.
WHEN ZEINA SAID THAT THE SIGN SHOULD NOT BE POSITIONED
ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL, THE SIGN SHOULD BE ORIENTED
DOWNWARDS TOWARDS THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND NOT SHINING
INTO APARTMENTS.
FROM A DESIGN GUIDELINE STANDPOINT, WE ALSO EMPHASIZED A
PUBLIC REALM CONTRIBUTION AND PLACE-MAKING INTEGRATION,
REQUIRING THAT AN ACCESSORY ART INSTALLATION BE INCORPORATED
WITHIN 500 FEET.
AND WE ALSO -- WE ARE REQUIRING THAT 20% OF THE SCREEN TIME
BE ALLOWED FOR ART AND COMMUNITY, AND THAT THE OVERALL
INTEGRATION, IT'S KIND OF INTUITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING
FABRIC.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ART, IT CAN BE A MURAL.
IT CAN BE A SCULPTURE OR IT COULD BE A LIGHTING
INSTALLATION.
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF INSTALLATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO
CONTRIBUTE TO THE DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE SO THAT IS NOT JUST
ABOUT COMMERCIAL VISIBILITY.
IN ADDITION, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED

IN THE COMMUNITY INPUT MEETINGS AROUND MAINTENANCE AND WHO
WILL MAINTAIN THESE SIGNS.
AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THERE'S MAINTENANCE
RESPONSIBILITIES THAT LIE WITH THE INSTALLER SO THAT WHEN
YOU LOOK AT THE REPAIR AND LOOK AT UPKEEP AND REPLACEMENT,
THAT'S THE ONUS OF THE INSTALLER AND DOES NOT BECOME AN
OBLIGATION OF THE CITY OR A PUBLIC OBLIGATION.
WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE SIGNS BE UPGRADED OR
REPLACED EVERY TEN YEARS.
INSOFAR AS NEXT STEPS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IF CITY
COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES,
THIS DOES NOT IMMEDIATELY ALLOW FOR LARGE FORMAT DIGITAL
SIGNS IN DOWNTOWN.
IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR CITY COUNCIL
TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO ACCEPT THE PROGRAM
AND ACCEPT IT AS A PILOT PROGRAM IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
I'LL STOP THERE AND OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE OF US.
12:27:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN OUR DISCUSSION WE TALKED ABOUT THE 20%,
I THINK THAT IS A NONSTARTER FOR ME.
THESE SIGNS HAVE TO HAVE MORE OF A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT FOR
THE PUBLIC.
WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE IS I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T MIND THE IDEA AND CONCEPT OF THE SIGNS, BUT THERE

HAS TO BE MORE OF A PUBLIC CONTRIBUTION FOR ART AND PUBLIC
SERVICES AND PUBLIC MESSAGING THAN 20%.
AT THAT LEVEL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ANOTHER BILLBOARD AND
THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
I THINK THAT NUMBER HAS GOT TO GO UP.
OBVIOUSLY, SELFISHLY, I WANT TO SEE IT 50-50.
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 50.
HOW IS THAT?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:28:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I GUESS I'M THE ONLY ONE AND NOT CASTING ASPIRATIONS THAT
I'M THE SMARTEST ONE, BECAUSE I'M NOT.
THIS IS ABOUT MONEY.
I WAS HERE IN THE '70s WHEN THERE WAS NOTHING IN DOWNTOWN,
NOT EVEN PEOPLE.
DON'T BELIEVE ME, CHECK THE RECORD.
THERE WAS ONE BUILDING I REMEMBER ON THE CORNER OF ASHLEY
AND JACKSON, ON TOP OF IT, SIZE OF THIS BUILDING JUST ABOUT,
A BIG EARLY TIMES ALCOHOL LIQUOR LICENSE BUILDING.
REMEMBER THAT.
12:28:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WASN'T BORN.
[ LAUGHTER ]
12:28:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT WAS THE ONLY THING DOWNTOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO BE ATLANTA.
I DON'T WANT TO BE DENVER.

I DON'T WANT TO BE NEW YORK.
I DON'T WANT TO BE LAS VEGAS.
I DON'T WANT TO BE BALTIMORE.
I DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR EMERGENCY OF WHAT WE ARE.
WE HAVE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY THROUGH FIVE MAYORS, I HAVE,
TO MAKE SURE THAT DOWNTOWN BECAME SOMETHING.
BECAUSE DOWNTOWN IN ANY CITY IS THE HEART OF THAT CITY.
NAME ME ONE CITY OVER 250,000 PEOPLE THAT HAS A DOWNTOWN
THAT'S DYING AND THE CITY IS DYING.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH MANY MAYORS WHO HAVE ALL WORKED TO MAKE
TAMPA THE BEST THAT THEY CAN.
THAT'S WHY THEY SUCCEEDED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THEY ALL
HAD DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, DIFFERENT OPINIONS, DIFFERENT
THE WAY THEY SPEAK, SO FORTH AND SO ON, BUT THEY ALL HAD ONE
THING IN COMMON.
THEY WANTED TO LEAVE THE CITY BETTER THAN WHEN THEY GOT IT.
DOWNTOWN IS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE IN EVERY BUILDING WE BUILT, NOT
I, BUT BUILDINGS BUILT BY THE CONTRACTORS AND SO FORTH AND
SO ON, PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN NOW -- OH, NOT GOING TO SEE THE
SIGNS.
I GUESS WHEN DRIVING THE CAR THE EYES ARE CLOSED.
MAYBE TWO TOWERS COMING UP -- YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL POPULATION
MOVING INTO DOWNTOWN.
NOW REALLY HELP THEM OUT BY PUTTING SIGNS ON EVERY BUILDING.

YOU SAY 16.
I SEE IN THE HALL A GENTLEMAN HERE, I CALL HIM A GENTLEMAN
BECAUSE HE IS, WHEN WE HAD THE SIGN WARS BACK 15, 20 YEARS
AGO, AND THOSE SERVED ON THE COUNCIL BEFORE AND NOW REMEMBER
WHAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH.
THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE BETWEEN US ON SIGNS, PUTTING
DIGITAL BOARDS ON THE EXPRESSWAY AND FIVE TO SIX TO ONE
RATIO, FORGOT THE RATIO, BUT WORKED OUT SO EVERYBODY WAS
HAPPY.
TOOK ABOUT TWO YEARS TO GET THIS THING DONE.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY FORGET ABOUT THOSE
AGREEMENTS.
YOU THINK THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SIT ON THE SIDELINES AND
NOT DO ANYTHING?
I GUARANTEE YOU -- AND THEY ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN WE ARE AS
FAR AS REVENUE, AND MUCH BIGGER THAN THE PARTNERSHIP
DOWNTOWN.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE TROUBLE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING
TO HAVE.
ONCE PUTTING THE SAME INDIVIDUALS, SAY WE WANT OUR SHARE AND
I DON'T BLAME THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NONE HERE NOW.
SO WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE MESSING
AROUND WITH.
YOU'LL BE IN LAWSUITS FOREVER.

I'M NOT THREATENING.
I KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
WE WERE VERY DILIGENTLY THOSE YEARS BACK AND ALL THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS AND ALL THOSE MAYORS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WORK
DILIGENTLY TO GET THE SIGNS DOWN AND WE DID.
AND LOOK AT US NOW.
WAS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS?
I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT ABOUT THE MENTAL STRESS?
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT SIGNS.
THEY WANT TO RELAX ONCE IN A WHILE.
THEY LIVE HERE.
I DON'T.
THEY LIVE HERE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE ALL THAT HAPPEN TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
DOWNTOWN.
THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE SIGNS.
THEY ARE TIRED OF DOING EVERYTHING THEY DO AT WORK, WHATEVER
THEY DO.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IT'S A GREAT WONDERFUL IDEA, BUT I
DON'T THINK THAT IT WILL WORK.
UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HEY, CLERK.
I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO START SETTING THE TIMER.

FIVE MINUTES.
12:32:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HEY, THAT'S NOT FAIR.
12:32:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT WE'LL PROBABLY
-- I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK.
12:32:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK I WAS NEXT.
12:32:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE.
12:32:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A GREAT IDEA IN THEORY.
THE PROBLEM IS, WE'VE ALREADY BROKEN THAT, THE CITY HAS, BY
PUTTING THE ONE -- ALLOWING THE ONE UP AT THE BENCHMARK
ARENA.
AND THEN APPARENTLY ALSO ALL THOSE LITTLE SIGNS THAT ARE
EVERYWHERE, THAT ARE ALSO DIGITAL SIGNS.
QUITE FRANKLY, LAWSUITS COULD SIMPLY BE COMING BASED ON
THOSE ALREADY.
SO I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHED TO DO THIS BY AGREEMENTS
THAT WERE MADE BEFORE MY TIME AT LEAST.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A PILOT PROGRAM BECAUSE PILOT TO ME
MEANS YOU CAN START IT AND THEN YOU CAN STOP IT.
BUT IDEALLY, IF WE ALLOW THESE SIGNS, WE'RE GOING TO BE
ALLOWING THEM, AND IF WE SHUT DOWN THE PROGRAM, THE SIGNS
ARE STILL GOING TO BE THERE.
THEY ARE NOT GOING AWAY.
TO ME, THAT'S NOT WHAT A PILOT IS.
A PILOT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN SHOW UP AND BE TAKEN AWAY.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A PILOT.

FOR ME, IT WOULD SIMPLY BE A NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THEN THAT
COULD -- WE COULD STOP AT THAT NUMBER OR WE COULD INCREASE
THAT NUMBER IF WE LIKE THE PROGRAM.
TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
BECAUSE PILOT, THOSE WORDS GIVE AN EXPECTATION THAT WILL NOT
HAPPEN, MEANING THEY WOULD GO AWAY, BECAUSE THEY WON'T.
I DO WANT A SIGN MINIMUM SIZE BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE
VISUALS YOU SHOWED WAS REALLY TINY, AND TO ME, THAT IS MORE
OF A TIME SQUARE PROBLEM.
I WANT TO SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD WANT THE MINIMUM TO BE
THE LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF A REGULAR BILLBOARD.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL WAY TO LOOK AT THAT.
ALSO, I THOUGHT THE BRANDED FRAME IDEA WAS REALLY
INTERESTING, BUT I WORRY ABOUT BRANDED FRAME.
YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
BUT BRANDED FRAME COULD VERY QUICKLY GET OLD.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A BRANDED FRAME AS
SOMETHING SOLID OR IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT AS PART --
LIKE AS PART OF THE DIGITAL.
BUT I WORRY THAT IF IT'S A PHYSICAL THING, AS TASTES CHANGE,
AS THINGS CHANGE, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE AGED, IF THAT
MAKES SENSE.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY COOL IDEA TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF HOW WE DO THAT SO THAT IT
STAYS WITH THE TIMES.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I SOUND OLD BY SAYING THAT.
WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE -- I DO LOVE THE IDEA OF A
STAKEHOLDER BOARD.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE 25% COVERAGE BECAUSE I THINK I NEED
TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT.
SO DO YOU KNOW THE SIZE?
HOW MUCH COVERAGE DOES THAT CORNER SIGN AT BENCHMARK ARENA
COVER THE ARENA?
12:35:14PM >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SIGN THAT WAS ON THE TAMPA
MUNICIPAL OFFICE BUILDING.
12:35:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, CAN YOU BRING THAT SLIDE BACK UP SO WE
CAN ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT?
12:35:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST WRAP THAT BUILDING COMPLETELY.
12:35:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE EXAMPLE THEY SHOWED IS, QUITE FRANKLY,
WAY TOO SMALL IN MY OPINION.
12:35:37PM >> SO THE SIGN HAS BEEN UPDATED A LITTLE BIT SINCE THE
PRESENTATION.
ON THE TAMPA MUNICIPAL OFFICE IT'S 25% OF THE FACADE WHICH
REPRESENTS ABOUT 1200 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL SIGN SIZE.
12:35:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, I STILL THINK THAT IS TOO SMALL.
I JUST DO.
I DID ASK BENCHMARK ARENA THE SIZE OF THEIR SIGN, AND -- IT
IS THE ONE ON THE CORNER.
IT'S A 99 BY 39 -- 99 WIDE BY 39 HIGH FOR A TOTAL OF 3861

SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD PLACE-MAKING SIZE IN MY
OPINION BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS AND HOW YOU SEE IT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIGN AND I DON'T HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THE MOTION THAT HAPPENS, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE
THE RULES SO THAT THE MOTION CAN HAPPEN.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A RULE FOR THAT.
BUT I DON'T LIKE THE ONE ON THE FORT BROOKE GARAGE.
THAT'S TOO SMALL.
THAT TO ME IS A TIMES SQUARE SIGN.
12:36:31PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE EITHER.
12:36:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK ALLOWING SMALL SIGNS IS NOT WHERE WE
WANT TO GO.
THESE NEED TO BE BIG.
THESE NEED TO BE BOLD BECAUSE IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE
SIX OR TEN OF THEM, WE NEED PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THESE ARE
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME AND THEY ARE GOING TO GO
VISIT EACH SIGN.
THEY JUST ARE.
THESE ARE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING NOW.
THEY ARE GOING TO GO VISIT.
THEY ARE GOING TO SEE THESE SIGNS.
THEY ARE GOING TO WANT THEIR PICTURES IN FRONT OF THEM.
THAT IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE OR THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MORE THAN 20%.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT THEN THAT'S GOING TO BALANCE I'M
SURE THE FUNDS THAT PEOPLE CAN RECEIVE OUT OF IT.
AND IF BUILDING OWNERS ARE FINE WITH THAT, I'M FINE WITH
THAT.
I JUST DO NOT LIKE -- AND YOU KNOW I LOVE T MOB AND HE HATES
T MOB, BUT I REALLY LOVE BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE, BUT I ALSO
-- THIS IS JUST NOT OKAY.
BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE BUILDING COULD HAVE SOMETHING REALLY
LIKE PHENOMENAL SIZE-WISE, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT IS.
IT DOESN'T SHINE INTO ANYBODY'S WINDOWS.
IT SHINES INTO LITERALLY THE OFFICE BUILDING NEXT DOOR
BECAUSE THE HOTEL WINDOWS DON'T START TILL WAY HIGH AND THEN
IT GOES INTO GASLIGHT PARK, WHICH IS, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE THE
BENCHMARK ARENA IN THAT AROUND IT YOU HAVE SOME SPACE FOR
PEOPLE TO REALLY INTERACT WITH IT.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS A SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO
INTERACT.
FOR ME, THE MINIMUM SIZE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER
THAN A STANDARD BILLBOARD AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A MAX.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ONE IN MIND.
12:38:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT SIZE.
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE 25% TO ME.
12:38:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, IT DOESN'T.
I THINK IT'S 25% OF JUST THAT PARTICULAR --
12:38:23PM >> IT'S JUST THE FRONT --

12:38:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST THE FRONT.
12:38:27PM >> EXCLUDING THE WINDOWS UP TOP.
12:38:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT SHOULD BE BIG.
IT SHOULD BE BOLD.
AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE.
OH, I LOVE THE ACCESSORY ART BEING REQUIRED WITHIN 500 FEET.
I THINK THAT IS A FASCINATING, INTERESTING THING.
YOU SHOWED SOME OF THE EXAMPLES HERE, REALLY LOVE THAT.
AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 2-D, IT COULD
BE 3-D.
I THINK THAT IS REALLY CLEVER.
I REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF MAKING THIS -- AND KEEPING THE
PARAMETERS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS NOW WITH THOSE SMALL DIGITAL SIGNS HOW WE
ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THAT BECAUSE THAT IS IN VIOLATION OF
OUR CURRENT SIGN CODE.
NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT.
IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I LIKE WHERE IT IS
GOING.
I JUST WANT MORE.
12:39:22PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT
PART OF IT.
I DON'T THINK I OBJECT TO THE RIBBON SIZE.
MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE A BIT LONGER.
12:39:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.

IT'S JUST NOT -- TO ME IT REALLY SCREAMS TIMES SQUARE.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING ON THERE THAT YOU ARE
REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE.
12:39:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DEPENDS ON HOW HIGH IT IS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:39:42PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK ON THAT.
THE PUBLIC CAN'T SEE THESE PICTURES.
CAN WE TURN THEM ON REAL FAST?
THE BRUTALIST BUILDING, IT'S TOO SMALL.
TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE WE SHOULD GET AN ARCHITECT TO LOOK AT
IT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DESIGN IT IN THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT
IT LOOKS COMPATIBLE WITH IT.
JUST TO MENTION A COUPLE OF COMMENTS MY COLLEAGUES
MENTIONED, WE NEED TO -- I KNOW WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THE BILLBOARD COMPANIES HERE.
WE HAVE TO HONOR THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND/OR MODIFY IT
IN A FAIR WAY.
SO WE CAN'T JUST IGNORE THAT.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PAY ATTENTION TO IT.
I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, I WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE
ISSUE WITH THE LIGHTNING HAD THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE
LIGHTNING NOT GONE AROUND AND TRASH TALKED US IN THIS.
IF THE LIGHTNING HAVE A CONCERN, THEY NEED TO COME HERE AND
STAND IN FRONT OF US INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR PEOPLE WORK IN
THE SHADOWS OR REPRESENTATIVES WORK IN THE SHADOWS.

WE FOUND OUT THAT THE SIGN WAS BEING ILLEGALLY OPERATED OR
DIDN'T FOLLOW THE CODE BECAUSE OF THIS.
SINCE THEN, PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE CITY CALLED ME AND TALKED
TO ME ABOUT HOW THE DEAL WAS PUT TOGETHER.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF A LAWSUIT OVER THAT.
I THINK THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A LAWSUIT OVER THE
LIGHTNING.
IF THE LIGHTNING WANT TO COME TO THE TABLE AND WORK WITH
EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY CAN.
AS LONG AS THEY ARE WHISPERING IN THE SHADOW THEY PUT
THEMSELVES AT RISK.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS NOW ABOUT HOW THE ADMINISTRATION
NEGOTIATED THAT AND GAVE THAT TO THEM.
I HAVEN'T PULLED PUBLIC RECORDS YET, BUT I THINK OTHERS ARE
GOING TO BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS WITH THAT DEAL.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF THE LIGHTNING ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE
SOMETHING, IT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME AS EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE NEED TO NOT GIVE ONE PARTY UNFAIR TREATMENT AND THEN
DISCRIMINATE AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE NEED TO HAVE EQUAL PLAYING FIELD HERE.
I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY, I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS IDEA.
WASN'T MY IDEA.
I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT.
IT WAS GWEN HENDERSON WHO CAME UP WITH IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA.

THE ONLY REASON THIS IS ALIVE, WE'RE TRYING TO HONOR AND
RESPECT GWEN HENDERSON.
YOU WANT TO TRASH TALK SOMEONE, I DARE TO YOU TRASH TALK
GWEN HENDERSON, BUT IT WAS HER IDEA.
I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING THE WAY PEOPLE ARE WHISPERING IN THE
BACKGROUND ABOUT THIS STUFF.
OTHER THING, I'VE BEEN TO LOTS OF CITIES INTERNATIONALLY IN
THE LAST YEAR, EVERY MAJOR CITY IN THE WORLD HAS SIGNS ALL
OVER THE PLACE.
EVEN SINGAPORE WHICH TRIES NOT TO BE HONG KONG AND TOKYO,
THEY HAVE SIGNS.
THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY, BUT IN MAJOR CITIES, I WAS JUST IN
SEOUL AND TOKYO AND KYOTO, LAST YEAR I WAS IN ABU DHABI AND
DUBAI, THEY ALL HAVE DIGITAL SIGNS EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING ABOUT FRANKLIN STREET -- IN DUBAI AND
ABU DHABI, EVERY STORE HAS MOVING SIGNS IN FRONT OF THE
STORE.
SIGNS ARE EVERYWHERE.
IT'S A PART OF THE EXPECTATION OF BUSINESS NOW AND THE
EXPECTATION TO GET ALONG.
TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S POINT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD
PUT A DIGITAL SIGN ON THE SIDE OF TAMPA BAY HOTEL, PLANT
HALL, UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT IT ON HISTORIC BUILDING.
BUT WE SHOULDN'T SHY AWAY FROM PUTTING IT ON OTHER

BUILDINGS.
FORT BROOKE IS NOT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
I THINK IT WOULD ENHANCE IT BY DOING THAT.
AND ALSO, WE COULD COVER THE BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE.
CAN I SHOW A VIDEO REAL FAST?
30 SECONDS.
12:43:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE.
GO AHEAD.
UNTIL THE GREEN LIGHT GOES OFF, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
YOU CAN TAP DANCE WHILE IT IS ON, TOO.
YEAH, WE SEE IT.
12:43:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M SUCH A GEEK.
ON MY BIRTHDAY IN TOKYO, I TOOK THIS VIDEO.
WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE IS THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE STANDING
IN THE STREET.
THIS IS NOT A MAIN STREET.
IT'S JUST AN AVERAGE STREET.
BUT YOU SEE HOW THE CAT IS STANDING UP THERE AND HE'S
KNOCKING THINGS OFF AND THE PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS ARE SCARED.
YOU SEE PEOPLE MOVING BECAUSE OF THAT.
THEY ARE 3D IMAGES IN FLAT SCREENS.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE BUILDING, IT'S AN ORDINARY KIND OF UGLY
BUILDING, AND THERE ARE OTHERS LIKE THIS IN OTHER CITIES AND
OTHER PARTS OF THIS CITY.
BUT IT'S SUPER COOL THAT YOU CAN CREATE ENTERTAINMENT FROM

THIS.
IT'S PLACE-MAKING AND ALL THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE ARE
DOING REALLY WELL.
BEHIND ME, THEY ARE ABOUT TO BUILD A HUGE CONDO COMPLEX AND
MULTIUSE COMPLEX BECAUSE OF THIS.
SO THE POINT IS THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT RUNNING ADS.
IT'S ABOUT PLACE MAKING AND BUILDING ENTERTAINMENT AND
BUILDING AN ENVIRONMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
12:44:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE TO WORK ON THAT PERCENTAGE TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE STUFF LIKE THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
12:44:23PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU ALL MADE A LOT OF POINTS THAT I WAS GOING
TO MAKE.
I THINK THE ART COMPONENT, HAVING ART BE A PART I THINK IS
REALLY IMPORTANT.
OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THESE PLACE MAKING SPACES I THINK IS
REALLY COOL.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. EHRLICH.
I KNOW YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PRETTY MUCH DENVER WAS ONE OF
THE FIRST TO START INCORPORATING SIGNS.
DID YOU ALL START WITH A PILOT PROGRAM OR DID YOU GO IN HEAD
FIRST?
WHAT WAS THE PROCESS LIKE FOR THAT?
12:45:00PM >> WE JUMPED IN HEAD FIRST.
WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

I THINK A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF PILOT
IS A LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY OR TRYING NOT TO OVERCOMMIT
TO SOMETHING.
WHAT WE DID IN DENVER, WE HAD A SIGN PLAN AND WE LITERALLY
TOOK A PICTURE OF EVERY BUILDING IN THE DISTRICT AND SAID
THIS IS OKAY, THIS IS NOT OKAY.
SO THE PUBLIC KNEW, EVERYONE KNEW BEFORE WE STARTED, OH,
THIS BUILDING CAN HAVE A SIGN OF THIS SIZE, THIS BUILDING
CAN HAVE A SIGN OF THIS SIZE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CERTAINTY.
WE HANDLED IT IN THAT WAY AND WE JUMPED IN AND DID NOT LIMIT
THE NUMBER OF SIGNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
12:45:39PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA OF TAKING THE PICTURES
OF THE BUILDINGS TO SEE WHAT --
12:45:45PM >> IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT IT GETS RID OF THE UNCERTAINTY.
IF SOMEONE SAYS THIS BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, HISTORIC AND
SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT HAVE A SIGN ON IT, THERE'S NO
UNCERTAINTY BECAUSE THE SIGN PLAN SAYS NO SIGNS.
TO COUNCILWOMAN'S POINT EARLIER, THE SIZE THAT YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT IS IMPORTANT IN THAT A LOT OF THE BEST
LOCATIONS, EVEN FOR MEDIA COMPANIES ARE THINGS LIKE PARKING
GARAGES AND REALLY LARGE BUILDINGS.
IN DENVER, WHEN WE HAD A LARGE FACADE, YOU HAD A LARGE
ALLOWABLE SIGN.
IT WASN'T THAT SOMEONE WOULD SAY, OH, YOU CAN HAVE A

2,000-SQUARE-FOOT SIGN IN THE DISTRICT AND PEOPLE FREAKED
OUT.
THEY SAID, OH, THERE IS A 2,000-SQUARE-FOOT SIGN BUT IT'S ON
THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING WHICH HAS A TON OF SPACE AND THE
EXTRA LIGHT WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFER WALKING INTO THE
PARKING GARAGE.
THAT SPECIFICITY HELPED US JUMP IN.
12:46:47PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I REALLY LIKE THAT.
AFTER YOU ALL DID THAT ANALYSIS, YOU SAID YOU ALL KIND OF
JUMPED IN.
SO THERE WAS NO LIMIT OF NUMBER OF SIGNS OR HOW BIG.
IT WAS, OKAY, THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS WE IDENTIFIED, THIS IS
THE SIZE AND YOU ALL WENT IN.
12:47:05PM >> YEAH.
WHAT I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I WOULD NOT DO THE SECOND PART THE
SAME WAY AGAIN.
THE SPECIFICITY IS GREAT, BUT EVEN IN DENVER I WOULD SAY
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN UPPER LIMIT TO THE NUMBER.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION.
IF YOU EVER COME TO DENVER, I THINK YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED.
YOU WON'T WALKING AROUND FEELING LIKE IT IS TIMES SQUARE AT
ALL.
BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT HAVING TOO MANY SIGNS IS ALSO NOT
GREAT FOR THE MEDIA COMPANIES BECAUSE THE RATES GO DOWN AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.

I WOULD SAY THAT JUMPING IN WITH THE SPECIFICITY WAS GOOD,
BUT WE SHOULD HAVE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.
12:47:43PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IF YOU COULD HAVE LIMITED IT TO A NUMBER, WHAT
WOULD THAT NUMBER BE?
12:47:47PM >> FOR DENVER, I WOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT 10 TO 20.
CERTAINLY NOT MORE THAN 20.
I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER
GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAN YOU GUYS THOUGH.
CERTAINLY LESS THAN THAT FOR TAMPA.
I THINK ONCE YOU START GETTING ABOVE 15, THINGS LIKE THAT,
THEN YOU ARE AFFECTING THE MARKET IN A NEGATIVE WAY BECAUSE
YOU'RE GETTING TOO MANY.
12:48:12PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FOR THE SIZE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT,
SIX IS A SUFFICIENT NUMBER?
12:48:19PM >> I THINK KENYETTA HAS MADE THE POINT THAT WE INITIALLY
WERE THINKING OF THIS AS A PILOT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SIX,
COULD ALWAYS EXPAND TO MORE.
I WOULD PROBABLY SAY THAT FOR TAMPA, SOMETHING CLOSER TO 10
TO 12 TOTAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE AGAIN WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE MAPS AND REALLY LOOK AT IT, IT IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF
GEOGRAPHIC AREA, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF COOL, INTERESTING, I
THINK THE COUNCIL PEOPLE MADE THE POINTS, A LOT OF COOL
AREAS THAT COULD ENHANCE PLACE-MAKING.
A LOT OF WHAT WE DO WITH OUR TIME IS WE LOOK FOR AREAS THAT
HAVE SIGNS FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER, EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON DO A

DIGITAL ART SHOW FOR AN HOUR SO PEOPLE STAY DOWNTOWN LONGER.
10 TO 12 RANGE, YOU WILL NOT FEEL OVERWHELMED.
NOT EVEN CHOSE TO TIMES SQUARE.
BUT ALSO GENERATE ENOUGH BE REVENUE SO KENYETTA IDEALLY AND
HER ORGANIZATION CAN INVEST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
IN TERMS OF PLACE MAKING DOWNTOWN.
I THINK THERE ARE KEY POINTS MADE.
THIS IS ABOUT MONEY.
I'M NOT GOING TO HIDE FROM THAT.
BUT PART OF THE MONEY IS GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN
TERMS OF PLACE-MAKING.
I THINK ONCE YOU GET UP TO 10 OR 12, THEN TAMPA WOULD REALLY
BE GENERATING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR PLACE
MAKING.
12:49:32PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU.
12:49:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANT TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING BECAUSE COUNCILWOMAN GWEN
HENDERSON'S NAME HAS COME UP.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED HER.
THIS ISN'T DIRECTLY TO THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, THOUGH, THAT WE PUT THIS IN CONTEXT.
I LOVED GWEN.
LIKE GWEN WAS A HELL OF A GOOD WOMAN.
SHE WAS AWESOME.
SHE WAS ONE IN A MILLION.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT GWEN HENDERSON, I THINK ABOUT THE
RATTLERS.
I THINK ABOUT THE DELTAS.
I THINK ABOUT JEFFERSON DRAGONS.
I THINK ABOUT LINCOLN GARDENS AND CARVER CITY.
I THINK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
I DON'T THINK ABOUT DIGITAL SIGNS.
SHE WANTED THIS.
THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS AS IF PRESIDENT KENNEDY IS
MURDERED, PASS THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964 IN HIS MEMORY.
LET'S NOT STRETCH A SINGLE INTO A HOME RUN.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
I'M FOR THIS -- I'M FOR THIS, BUT GWEN HENDERSON TO ME MEANT
A LOT.
SHE DIDN'T MEAN DIGITALIZED SIGNS.
12:50:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SHE SWUNG PRETTY HARD FOR THIS.
12:50:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW.
AGAIN, I'M FOR THIS BUT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID SOMETHING,
WHICH THIS IS SOMETHING ABOUT BUSINESS PROFIT, ALL THAT
STUFF, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T STRETCH A SINGLE
INTO A HOME RUN.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
LIKE ALL OF US, I LOVED GWEN A LOT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT IT'S TAKEN INTO PERSPECTIVE.

THIS CAN SURVIVE ON ITS OWN.
THIS IS GOOD.
I'LL VOTE FOR THIS BUT LET'S NOT STRETCH A SINGLE INTO A
HOME RUN.
12:51:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:51:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, WE COULDN'T TALK TO
EACH OTHER, BUT WE COULD SEE VISIBLY AND GO BACK AND WATCH
THE VIDEOS BECAUSE SHE WAS STRESSED OUT BECAUSE THE
ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WANT THIS AND THEY WERE ARGUING WITH
HER.
EVEN THOUGH SHE MOSTLY HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, THEY WERE
ARGUING WITH HER AND IT WAS STRESSFUL TO HER.
I FEEL BAD THAT THAT HAPPENED.
I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE I THOUGHT SHE
WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR ANYTHING.
THE ONLY REASON THIS IS ON THE AGENDA IS BECAUSE SHE PUT IT
ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE
COMMUNITY.
MY POINT WAS MORE TOWARD WHOEVER IS IN THE SHADOWS TRASH
TALKING US FOR CONTINUING THIS, IT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA BY
GWEN HENDERSON.
PLEASE STOP.
IF SOMEBODY HAS OBJECTIONS TO IT, COME SPEAK IN PUBLIC
COMMENT.

LET'S HEAR IT.
12:51:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL, WE STILL HAVE
STAFF TO PRESENT ON THIS.
12:52:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I UNDERSTAND WE STILL NEED TO HEAR FROM
STAFF.
BASICALLY, I THINK THIS IS, FOR ME -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE ALL
AGREE, I DON'T WANT A PILOT.
I THINK SAYING 10 TO 12 SIGNS AND MOVING FORWARD IS GOOD.
AND WE CAN EVEN GO FROM THE 10 IF YOU WANT.
I DO WANT A SIGN MINIMUM SIZE.
AND I DO WANT THAT A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN A REGULAR SIZE
BILLBOARD.
SO I DON'T KNOW.
12:52:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT, THE VERTICAL
SIGNS THAT HANG OFF OF A BUILDING, I THINK EVERY BUILDING IS
GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT.
12:52:50PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO, TOO.
I THINK WHAT IT DOES -- THIS ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO SEE THIS
IS NOT A BILLBOARD.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
THIS IS NOT A BILLBOARD.
12:53:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THEY WILL ALL HAVE TO STAND ON
THEIR OWN.
12:53:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO TOO.
I AM ADAMANT ON A MINIMUM SIZE.

12:53:09PM >> CAN WE PUT THE PRESENTATION BACK ON THE SCREEN.
12:53:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CTTV CAN WE GET THE PowerPoint BACK UP
ON BOTH SCREENS, PLEASE?
THANK YOU.
12:53:33PM >> ABOVE THE YOUNG KID WITH THE ARTWORK IN THEIR HAND IS 576
SQUARE FEET.
THE INTENT OF THE 25% OF THE FACADE WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT
WAS ARCHITECTURALLY INTEGRATED WITHIN THE BUILDING
FOOTPRINT.
AND IT DIDN'T LOOK OVERPOWERING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF
THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE LANDED ON THE 25% AND BEST PRACTICE ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
12:53:58PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I REALLY LIKE, IT MIGHT BE MORE WORK BUT I
REALLY LIKE WHAT DENVER DID.
I REALLY LIKE BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT COULD GO ON EACH
BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD.
MY ONLY OTHER REQUEST -- I KNOW WE NEED AN ORDINANCE TO GO
ALONG WITH THIS.
I WANT AN ORDINANCE STARTED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE GOING TO SETTLE THIS.
WE ALSO SOUND MOSTLY ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT DESIGN
STANDARDS.
SO NOW I'M READY FOR AN ORDINANCE.

BUT THAT'S A STAFF THING.
12:54:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO STAFF NOW AND THEN
WE CAN WRAP THINGS UP.
ABBYE, ARE YOU HERE TO PRESENT STAFF?
THE MOTION HAD STAFF TO PRESENT AS WELL.
12:54:47PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT
AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THE PARTNERSHIP.
THIS IS THE PRESENTATION.
WE'VE MET WITH THE PARTNERSHIP MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
12:55:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ARE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
12:55:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION SAYS, TO PROVIDE A
REPORT ON THE CITIES THAT EXECUTED SIGN ORDINANCES, OUTLINE
THE KEY POINTS BEING CONSIDERED FOR INCLUSION.
12:55:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU WANT TO FRAME THIS INTO QUESTIONS?
FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THIS?
12:55:19PM >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
AS FAR AS THE SIGNS INCORPORATED, I THINK MR. EHRLICH
REFERRED TO THEM, BALTIMORE, ATLANTA, DENVER, MIAMI, SAN
JOSE, SAN ANTONIO, AND I THINK IN PRIOR REPORTS TO COUNCIL
WE LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S NO REAL ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL
APPROACH TO SIGN ORDINANCE OR HOW THE DISTRICTS ARE MANAGED
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

THEY DEFINITELY HAVE SOME SORT OF INTENT AND PURPOSE
SPECIFIC TO THE CITY.
THEY HAVE REGULATIONS RELATING TO MAINTENANCE, LIGHTING
STANDARDS, DISTANCE SEPARATION AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SOME ARE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT BUILDINGS AND THEY
IDENTIFY THOSE IN ADVANCE.
OTHERS LEAVE IT TO AN IDENTIFIED ENTITY, WHETHER IT IS THE
CITY OR ANOTHER RELATED BUSINESS DISTRICT OR SIMILAR ENTITY
TO IDENTIFY THE SIZE AND PARAMETERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT HAVE BEEN UTILIZED
BY ALL OF THESE CITIES.
I WILL SAY -- I HOPE EVERYBODY HERE APPRECIATES THE
DIFFICULTY AND CHALLENGES THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN DRAFTING
AN ORDINANCE.
COUNCIL APPROVED LAST WEEK AT YOUR MEETING A CONTRACT FOR
OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT WE HAVE RETAINED AT THIS POINT TO
ASSIST US WITH THE EFFORT OF MANAGING ALL OF THESE MYRIAD OF
ISSUES INVOLVED WITH THE SIGN PROGRAM AND WITH DRAFTING AN
ORDINANCE TO IMPLEMENT A SIGN PROGRAM.
SO I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO RATHER THAN A SHORT TIME FRAME, WE
HAVE A MEETING WITH HER SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW AFTERNOON TO
BRINGER UP TO SPEED ON ALL OF THE VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND
THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS OR SO WITH
RESPECT TO THIS ISSUE.
WE'D ASK FOR TIME TO BRING HER UP TO SPEED ON THESE ISSUES

AND THEN WORK WITH US TOWARDS STARTING TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE
THAT WOULD INCORPORATE A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND ALSO TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, THE
IMPACT ON EXISTING SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN
LONG-STANDING, ALMOST 20 YORES IN EXISTENCE THAT THE CITY
HAS THAT COULD BE IMPACTED AND COULD IMPACT HOW SIGNS ARE
DONE, NOT JUST IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT,
NOTWITHSTANDING COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO LIMIT IT TO THIS, BUT
THE POSSIBLE IMPACT TO THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY.
12:57:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TO TRY TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING IN
INTEREST OF TIME, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM COUNCIL THERE IS A
DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT?
12:57:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUICK QUESTION WITH LEGAL HERE.
I KNOW THERE IS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FROM 15, 20 YEARS
AGO, WILL THIS, MOVING FORWARD WITH ANYTHING TODAY, WILL
THAT AFFECT THAT OR PUT US IN VIOLATION WITH THAT SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT?
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT?
12:58:14PM >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, IT COULD.
WE ARE STILL EVALUATING WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE
AND IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT POSSIBLE CHANGES COULD BE MADE
TO THE CODE.
IT COULD IMPACT IT AND IT COULD OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX, AS
THEY SAY, TO ELECTRONIC SIGNS --

12:58:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SUSAN, CAN I STOP YOU RIGHT THERE?
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS RIPE FOR A DECISION POINT TODAY.
I THINK WE ARE STILL FRAMING AND BRINGING -- I DON'T THINK
ANY ACTION TODAY IS GOING TO JEOPARDIZE ANY SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL FRAMING THE ISSUE.
AND THIS IS JUST FURTHER NARROWING WHAT WE'RE LOOKING.
12:58:59PM >> FUTURE ACTION COULD IMPACT THE SETTLEMENT.
12:59:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT NOT TODAY.
12:59:09PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
SPEAK TO THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS.
WE KIND OF COVERED THAT.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
WHAT WOULD BE -- I REALLY LIKE WHAT MR. EHRLICH WAS SAYING,
HOW THEY WENT AROUND AND TOOK THE PICTURES OF THE BUILDING.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL COULD DO?
12:59:32PM >> IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE
THAT, TO GO AROUND AND TAKE PICTURES OF EVERY BUILDING AND
SUPERIMPOSE --
12:59:38PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NOT EVERY, JUST WHATEVER YOU ALL DEEM AS,
OKAY, SIGN COULD GO ON THIS BUILDING THIS SIZE.
THEY ARE SHAKING THEIR HEAD NO.
12:59:49PM >> ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN VERY CAREFUL OF IS LOOKING AT
PRIVATE BUILDINGS AND SAYING THIS BUILDING SHOULD GET A
SIGN.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE PARTNERSHIP LOOKING LIKE WE'RE

CHOOSING WHO GETS SIGNS AND WHO DOES NOT GET SIGNS.
NOW, IF IT'S ON A PUBLIC BUILDING, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT
ON PUBLIC BUILDINGS.
BUT I WOULD BE HESITANT TO DO THAT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
1:00:12PM >> SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
1:00:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
ME NEITHER.
1:00:17PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF I COULD ASK A FEW QUESTIONS AND WALK BACK
-- ABBYE FEELEY.
KENYETTA, MAYBE HANG WITH ME FOR A SECOND BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
WORKING PRETTY CLOSE ON THIS.
SO WHEN THE MOTION FOR THE GUIDELINE DEVELOPMENT WENT TO THE
PARTNERSHIP THAT WENT WITH $30,000 FROM THE CRA.
IT REALLY WAS EXPLORATORY IN NATURE TO GET US TO WHERE WE
ARE TODAY.
THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS MADE.
HIRED GENSLER AND THEN WE CAME BACK.
HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TODAY, IF YOU WANTED THAT
INVENTORY DONE OF THE BUILDINGS, WHAT BUILDINGS, BASED ON
KIND OF THE MAPS SHE PUT UP WITH THE BUFFERING OF F.D.O.T.
ROADS, THESE ROADS, TO COME UP WITH, AND WE CAN SHARE WITH
YOU WHAT DENVER HAS AS FAR AS A SKETCH OF EACH BUILDING,
WHAT CONSTITUTES THE PERCENTAGE ON THE FACADE FACE.
SOME BUILDINGS ARE FOUR FACADES BUT ONLY HAS ONE FACADE
THAT'S DESIGNATED.
I WOULD SUGGEST THEN IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE, THEN THAT GO TO

A THIRD PARTY TO DO THAT.
AND THAT IS PART OF BRINGING ON THE OTHER SIGN EXPERT, THE
OTHER ATTORNEY AS WELL, BECAUSE THE LAST TIME WE OPENED THE
SIGN CODE YEARS AGO, IT TOOK US FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS TO DO
THIS.
TO GET THIS TO A POINT OF SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE ACTION ON,
IF IT IS YOUR DESIRE TO HAVE THAT TEMPORARY, I DON'T KNOW
THAT THAT'S AN INVENTORY THAT OUR STAFF OR THE PARTNERSHIP
STAFF WOULD DEVELOP.
IT WOULD ALMOST GO OUT TO A CONTRACT WHERE THIS IS
SOMEBODY'S SOLE PURPOSE, THEY DO THE INVENTORY, THEY PUT THE
PRODUCT TOGETHER, THAT PRODUCT BECOMES THE TECHNICAL
STANDARDS OF YOUR CODE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS
AS PART OF YOUR DOWNTOWN CODE OR THE CITY'S DOWNTOWN CODE.
1:02:03PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
1:02:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCIL, AS WAS STATED, YOU RECENTLY
APPROVED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BRING ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL
FOR THIS.
I JUST HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT I HAVE KNOWN OF SUSAN
TREVARTHEN AND HER REPUTATION FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS.
TO ACT PREMATURELY AT THIS POINT, I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST
THAT, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL DISCUSSION.
1:02:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I GOT -- I DON'T THINK THIS IS
A WORKSHOP -- THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND WE'RE NOT HAVING

ACTION.
1:02:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT'S CORRECT.
1:02:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE STILL FRAMING THE ISSUE SO WE CAN
KIND OF GET TO A CONSENSUS OF THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
ONE, WE HAVE TO DECIDE, ARE WE STILL MOVING FORWARD, BUT
WE'RE NOT REACHING ANY DEFINITIVE POINT OF DECISION MAKING
ON THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO GET A SIGN THAT BUILDING WILL
HAVE A SIGN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIGN.
THAT'S NOT TODAY.
1:03:04PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NO, BUT WHAT I DID HEAR, I DID HEAR AT
LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SAY THEY WANT AN ORDINANCE DRAFTED
OR BEGINNING THE PROCESS.
I'M SAYING, COUNCIL, AND THAT MAY VERY WELL BE THE CASE AND
YOU MAY WELL WANT TO DO THAT AND ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE.
I'M NOT HERE TO SAY ANYTHING BUT THE FACT THERE IS A MEETING
TOMORROW WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT IS BROUGHT IN FOR THIS
SPECIFIC PURPOSE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED SO
COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION THAT DOES NOT COME WITH UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES.
1:03:38PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WASN'T FINISHED.
THANK YOU.
TO MY QUESTION, ARE YOU TELLING ME NO?
1:03:49PM >> FOR ME, WE'D HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT TYPE OF
WORK.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY IN-HOUSE TO DO THAT WORK.

WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING SOMEBODY ON BOARD TO DO THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN IDENTIFYING PROPERTY BECAUSE IF
A BUILDING EVENTUALLY GETS A SIGN AND ONE DOESN'T, THEN WE
COULD FALL INTO ISSUES WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
1:04:12PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
IT WAS MORE SO, NOT SAYING YOU GET A SIGN, YOU
GET A SIGN, YOU GET A SIGN.
IT'S THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS
DISTRICT.
IF THEY HAD A SIGN, IT COULD LOOK LIKE THIS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY US DECIDING WHO GETS A SIGN.
IT'S JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE ARE ALL THE BUILDINGS IN
THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THIS IS WHAT THE SIGNS COULD
LOOK LIKE.
SO IT'S NOT DECIDING WHO IS GETTING ONE OR NOT.
IT'S JUST VISUALLY THIS IS WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE IF WE
SAY, WE'LL STAY WITH SIX SIGNS OR WE'LL MOVE TO TEN, AND IT
COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A VARIATION OF HOWEVER MANY SIGNS, BUT
THIS IS WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.
I WASN'T SAYING IT TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO PICK THEM JUST SO
WE COULD SEE AND THE PUBLIC COULD SEE VISUALLY WHAT IT WOULD
LOOK LIKE.
THAT WAS MY REASON FOR SAYING TO DO THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS,
WHICH I THINK WAS SMART ON DENVER'S BEHALF BECAUSE IF YOU'RE
GOING TO DO SIGNS, WHY NOT GO FIRST AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S SEE
WHAT THE INVENTORY EVEN LOOKS LIKE.

THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON, NOT TO DECIDE WHO WOULD GET A SIGN
OR NOT.
1:05:19PM >> WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT INTERNALLY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO DO THAT.
1:05:27PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU WOULD WANT TO END UP
WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOUGH, WHICH IS A TECHNICAL
INVENTORY THAT WOULD ACTUALLY IDENTIFY BUILDINGS THAT COULD
AND BUILDINGS THAT COULDN'T BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT YOU
ALL DISCUSSED TODAY, WHICH WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO
STRENGTHEN THE CODE THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING THEN ADOPTING.
SO I THINK IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA, BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO
CREATE THAT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT, YOU HAVE A DOWNTOWN CODE
THAT IS A VERY FORM-BASED CODE AND IN ADDING THIS TO THAT
CODE, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE -- I THINK YOU HEARD TODAY,
SIGNS ARE VERY MUCH AN ART VERSUS A SCIENCE, BUT THIS WOULD
GIVE THE SCIENCE TO YOUR ART.
IT WOULD GIVE YOU AN INVENTORY TO SAY IN OUR CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT, THERE ARE 452 BUILDINGS.
I'M MAKING THAT UP RIGHT NOW.
OF THOSE BUILDINGS, X ARE WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THE
RIVERWALK, X ARE ON DOWNTOWN ROADS.
X ARE WITHIN THIS AREA, THEREFORE, AT THE END OF THE DAY,
BASED ON THESE CRITERIA, WE MIGHT HAVE 122 BUILDINGS THAT
COULD BE ELIGIBLE.
IT'S NOT AWARDING THE SIGN, BUT IT'S SHOWING ELIGIBILITY TO

THOSE FACADES AND THEN WHAT THOSE FACADES COULD BE ELIGIBLE
FOR AS FAR AS 25% OR 50% OR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR
WHATEVER THAT CRITERIA WOULD END UP ULTIMATELY BEING FOR
WHEN YOU WOULD THEN CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE.
1:06:58PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MR. EHRLICH, I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD US
THAT IDEA IN THE BEGINNING.
THAT WAS IT.
THANK YOU.
1:07:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MS. FEELEY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS
SAID THAT BEFORE, IF THEY HAVEN'T, YOU NEED TO MAKE A SIGN
THAT BRINGS THE SCIENCE TO THE ART, ABBYE FEELEY, BECAUSE
THAT WAS A GREAT QUOTE.
GO DOWN IN HISTORY THERE.
CAPTURED WHAT YOU JUST SAID, PROBABLY WOULD CAPTURE WHAT I
BELIEVE WOULD BE THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
1:07:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO GOING FORWARD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
WANT TO HEAR FROM THE LAWYER, TOO, IS AGAIN, WE HAVE DIGITAL
SIGNS DOWNTOWN ON THESE LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE
CALLED -- THE IKE SIGNS.
I DON'T SEE THEM.
IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO ACTUALLY GET MY ATTENTION FOR
THOSE THINGS.
BUT THOSE ARE DIGITAL SIGNS.
THAT IS KIND OF -- WE ALREADY HAVE THESE DIGITAL SIGNS ALL

THROUGH DOWNTOWN.
1:07:54PM >> BUT THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED DIGITAL SIGNS.
THEY ARE CONSIDERED WAY-FINDING TOOLS.
1:08:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S FOR A LAWYER TO DETERMINE.
SO I DO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AGAIN, I'M VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THIS LAWYER.
I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO HEAR -- I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A
MOTION, BUT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT AFTER THIS LAWYER
GETS THEIR FEET UNDER THEM WITH THIS PROCESS, THAT THE
PARTNERSHIP AND STAFF, INCLUDING THAT LEGAL TEAM, MEET WITH
EACH OF US TO TALK ABOUT WHAT -- BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT
THIS SHOULD GO FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE, BUT I'M THE ONE THAT WANTED AN
ORDINANCE STARTED.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE STARTING PROCESS AT LEAST FOR AN
ORDINANCE TO BE CREATED.
THAT'S GOING TO BE MY REQUEST GOING FORWARD.
1:08:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN WE'LL BRING THIS
IN FOR A LANDING.
1:08:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WITH THAT, I KNOW MS. JOHNSON VELEZ AND
MR. SHELBY HAVE TALKED ABOUT ISSUES THAT COULD IMPLICATE
LAWYERS.
THE WAY THAT I SEE IT, IF TODAY A MOTION IS MADE RELATING TO
AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS THE

ORDINANCE TODAY.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD FORMALLY TRIGGER SOME SORT OF
FORMAL LEGAL PROCESS, AT LEAST THAT I'M AWARE OF ON THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS GETTING THAT CONVERSATION MOVING TODAY ONE
WAY OR ANOTHER WITHOUT TAKING FORMALIZED CONCRETE ACTION
THAT IS IRREVERSIBLE ESSENTIALLY, I'M FINE WITH.
1:09:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
1:09:38PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
1:09:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. EHRLICH BECAUSE MY
UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN
MADE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WITH LIKE EVERY CITY.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE AGREEMENTS AND HOW THE
CITIES YOU WORK WITH HAVE NAVIGATED THEM?
1:10:04PM >> UNFORTUNATELY, NO, IN THAT THERE -- THE ONES I'VE WORKED
HAVEN'T HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION TO WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE.
1:10:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER FOR
ME HOW MANY OF THESE AGREEMENTS ARE OUT THERE.
BUT IT WAS QUITE A FEW.
I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW.
1:10:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS WHERE I THINK WE'RE AT.
I THINK WE HAVE IF NOT A CONSENSUS, MAYBE MINUS ONE DOWN
THERE AT THE END.
WE HAVE ALMOST CONSENSUS.
AT LEAST WITH THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH

GETTING SOME -- SHAPING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I HEARD AND IT SEEMED LIKE I GOT A LOT OF HEAD NODDING ABOUT
THE INVENTORY.
I HEARD YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THIS NEEDED TO BE OUT.
I AGREE, I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
ONE, IT'S ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC FACING.
SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, OKAY, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A
SIGN ON THE BUILDING DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, NOT
A SIGN ON THE RIVERWALK, WHEN THEY SEE IT ON THE MAP THE
BUILDINGS INELIGIBLE FOR THE SIGNS, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL
BUILDING, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD COMMUNICATION TOOL TO SHOW
WHICH BUILDINGS WON'T HAVE A SIGN.
I ALSO THINK FOR THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL AND COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK'S POINT, LIKE, WHEN YOU SAW THE PICTURE OF T MOB WITH
THAT SIGN -- T MOB SWALLOWING THAT SIGN, MAYBE NOT GREAT
PLACE MAKING SO WHEN YOU GET THAT TYPE OF A VISUAL, I THINK
THAT'S IMPORTANT.
OUR PARKING GARAGES.
TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF SIGNS, BETWEEN AMALIE ARENA,
PROBABLY A COUPLE OF SIGNS ON AMALIE ARENA.
PROBABLY A COUPLE OF SIGNS ON THE CONVENTION CENTER.
1:11:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S IN THE RIVERWALK ZONE.
1:12:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THE ENTIRE CONVENTION CENTER WITHIN 200
FEET?
1:12:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT ONE ON THE STRAZ.
I'M VERY HESITANT ON THAT 200 FEET BECAUSE OF THAT.
1:12:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
1:12:21PM >> THE STRAZ WOULD ALLOW IT.
1:12:26PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GET THE PRESENTATION ON THE PUBLIC
MONITORS, TOO, PLEASE.
1:12:38PM >> HARDER TO SEE ON THE MAP BUT WE CAN SEND YOU GUYS A MORE
DYNAMIC VERSION WHERE YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND SEE THE SPECIFIC
SIGNS.
BUT FOR THE STRAZ, THE PORTION OF IT THAT ISN'T FACING THE
RIVERWALK WOULD ALLOW FOR A SIGN.
1:12:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PROBABLY THE CONVENTION CENTER THE SAME
WAY.
1:12:57PM >> [TALKING OVER ONE ANOTHER]
1:12:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK GENERALLY THE CONSENSUS WOULD BE,
YOU START FORT BROOKE, MY GOSH, TWO GIGANTIC SIGNS ON EACH
SIDE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S NOT FACING ANYTHING.
WHAT IS THE GARAGE CALLED OVER THERE -- PAM IORIO, THE ONE
OVER BY THE STRAZ.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT ONE.
PARKING GARAGES ALONE, BETWEEN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES WE'RE
PROBABLY UP TO 6 OR 8 JUST ON THE PUBLIC FACILITIES.
KAREN.
1:13:30PM >> IF I COULD ADD, ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE DID TALK ABOUT
IS THAT MAYBE WE'RE PUTTING THE CAP ON PRIVATE SECTOR

BUILDINGS AND THEN THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS ISN'T REALLY PART OF
THE NUMBER.
JUST AS A COMPROMISE.
1:13:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT CONCEPT OF SEPARATING THE IDEA OF
PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE BUILDINGS?
SEPARATING THE CONCEPT OF START TALKING ABOUT INVENTORY,
HAVING THE PUBLIC SEPARATED FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR
BUILDINGS.
1:13:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SEPARATED, BUT THE THING I OBSERVED IN THE
OTHER CITIES I WAS JUST IN IS THAT THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE
OLDER, I THINK IN SOME WAYS, THESE BILLBOARDS LENGTHEN THEIR
LIFE SPAN BECAUSE IT ENHANCES THE WAY THE BUILDING LOOKS.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL OUT BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN BUT REALLY
OLD BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN, YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAT
ON THERE, WHATEVER TAMPA'S VERSION, IMAGINE A PIRATE AND THE
PIRATE IS DOING SOMETHING.
IF YOU DO THAT, SUDDENLY A BUILDING NOT THAT ATTRACTIVE
RIGHT NOW COULD BECOME REALLY VALUABLE.
1:14:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I MIGHT LIKE THE T MOB WITH A BIG SIGN ON
IT.
1:14:36PM >> NOT ARGUING WITH YOU GUYS.
THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE
TO REFINE AS YOU SEE FIT.
1:14:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE'D LIKE

TO SEE SOME TYPE OF INVENTORY I THINK SPECIFICALLY OF THE
BUILDINGS NOT ELIGIBLE, SPECIFIC BUILDINGS NOT ELIGIBLE.
I THINK THAT WORKS WITH THE TECHNICAL STANDARDS MS. FEELEY
DISCUSSED.
THAT IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC SO
THEY UNDERSTAND WHICH BUILDINGS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR
SIGNAGE.
1:15:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO DOING THE FRANKLIN STREET PLAN, AND WE
NEED SOMETHING TO ACTIVATE FRANKLIN STREET.
SOMETHING LIKE THE VIDEO I SHOWED YOU, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF
OTHER EXAMPLES.
GOOGLE THEM.
SOMETHING COOL LIKE THAT, GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO COME OUT
AND HANG OUT ON FRANKLIN STREET TO SHOP AT THE STORES AND
RESTAURANT.
1:15:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S JUST LIKE THE NEW PARK THAT WE JUST CUT
THE RIBBON FOR.
IF YOU TURN AROUND, THERE IS AN ART PIECE THERE.
BUT THAT ART PIECE NOW IN RETROSPECT WITH HERMAN MASSEY
BEING OPEN, THAT ART PIECE IS TOO SMALL.
THE ART PIECE WAS FINE, SORT OF, BUT REALLY IT'S JUST -- AND
IT'S REALLY COOL AND DYNAMIC, BUT IT'S JUST TOO SMALL NOW.
1:15:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I AGREE.
SOME DIRECTIONS.
LET'S HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION.

I THINK WE CLEARLY HAVE AN IDEA THAT WE WANT TO SEPARATE THE
PRIVATE AND THE PUBLIC BUILDINGS IN THE PLAN.
I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE AN INVENTORY.
I THINK SPECIFICALLY THE BUILDINGS NOT ELIGIBLE, BUT I HEARD
FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG SHE WANTS WHAT IS ELIGIBLE AS WELL.
COMPREHENSIVE INVENTORY WORKING TOWARD THE TECHNICAL
STANDARD WHICH MS. FEELEY DISCUSSED.
1:16:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LOOK AT THAT MAP.
THAT WILL TAKE YEARS.
1:16:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WOULD IT?
I DON'T KNOW.
1:16:42PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
PUT OUT AN RFP, GET A COMPANY, LET THE
COMPANY DO IT AND BRING BACK A DOCUMENT.
1:16:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WILL HELP TO HAVE A BETTER PRODUCT AT
THE END.
1:16:51PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ALSO, LIKE I SAID, MAKES IT SCIENTIFIC.
I'M FULLY ENGAGED LISTENING TO YOU.
ALREADY, WE BUMPED AROUND FROM PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE.
NOW SEPARATE THEM.
YOU'RE TALKING AND HAVING A DISCUSSION ON ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT MAKES THIS SUCH A CHALLENGING ASPECT OF MAKING IT
RIGHT, WHAT LOOKS RIGHT TO YOU LOOKS DIFFERENT TO YOU.
WHAT LOOKS DIFFERENT TO YOU, IT IS PART OF THIS IS IN THE
EYE OF THE BEHOLDER AND HOW WE ALL FEEL ABOUT IT.
ONE THING THAT'S NOT IN THE ROOM TODAY ARE THE RESIDENTS OF

PENDRY AND THE RESIDENTS OF ONE TAMPA.
THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW TO EITHER PROVIDE THAT
REASSURANCE OR THAT LAUNCHING PAD TO HAVE THE DIALOGUE OF
HOW THIS IS GOING TO ENHANCE THE CITY.
WE WOULD NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET, AN RFQ FOR, OKAY,
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT ON IT.
GIVE THEM THE TIME FRAME TO COMPLETE IT.
AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD NOT TAKE YEARS.
WE WOULD SAY IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THREE MONTHS OR FOUR
MONTHS SO WE CAN GET THIS GOING OR 90 DAYS.
I DON'T KNOW.
THE OTHER THING WE COULD DO IS SEE WHO IS ON OUR CCNA LIST
RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IPA PLUS IT ON THERE.
I DIDN'T COME PREPARED, DIDN'T KNOW THIS WOULD BE THE ROUTE
OF THIS DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, BUT WHO IS ON OUR LIST
RIGHT NOW THAT IF WE GOT THE FUNDS TOGETHER FOR WE COULD PUT
OUT AND TACK ON TO A CONTRACT THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS, SO
WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING ELSE BUT WE COULD GET
THAT TOGETHER.
1:18:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WILLING TO DO SIX MONTHS IF WE COULD USE
SOMEBODY ELSE.
PUTTING AN RFQ OUT IS LIKE A THREE MONTH PROCESS AND THEN IT
WOULD NEED TO BE SMALLER.
1:18:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE PATH WE NEED

TO GO.
I THINK FOR STAFF TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION, AGAIN, GOING
BACK TO MS. FEELEY'S TALKING ABOUT TECHNICAL STANDARDS, THAT
GIVES US A MORE DEFINITIVE OUTLOOK AND DESCRIPTION OF WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT, I THINK THAT WILL HELP STAFF IN THE END IF
WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF TECHNICAL STANDARDS ESTABLISHED AND
NOT A SUBJECTIVE.
TAKE OUT AS MUCH OF THE SUBJECTIVE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
I THINK IF WE DEFINE THAT 20% OF THESE SIGNS ARE GOING TO
HAVE HORSES ON THEM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET CHARLIE MIRANDA
ON THERE.
1:19:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO MS. FEELEY AND YOUR POINT JUST NOW.
YES, IT CAN BE SUBJECTIVE, AND WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH
THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
BUT I THINK IN THE CRITERIA WE OUGHT TO PUT EITHER AN ARTIST
AND/OR AN ARCHITECT IS INVOLVED BECAUSE EVERY BUILDING IS
GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK SOMEBODY TRAINED IN THE AESTHETICS HAS TO PICK
IT OUT.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY A 20-FOOT SIGN.
EVEN IF THE BUILDINGS ARE THE SAME HEIGHT, DEPENDING ON THE
ARCHITECTURE AND MASSING AND EVERYTHING OF THE BUILDING, IT
WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT ON DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
WE NEED TO PUT THAT AS CRITERIA.
ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT

SIGNS TOO SMALL.
ONE THAT WAS THE OPPOSITE WAS PERRY HARVEY PARK.
I DON'T LIKE THE SCULPTURES THERE.
WHEN FIRST PUT IN, LOOKED MASSIVE COMPARED TO EVERYTHING
AROUND US THEM.
NOW THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BUILT ALL THESE HUGE BUILDINGS
AROUND THEM AND NOW THEY LOOK LIKE THEY ARE IN THE PROPER
SCALE.
WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO WILL UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE
COMMUNITY AND NEED TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE FRANKLIN STREET,
PLACES THAT ARE LOW RISES THAT EVENTUALLY BUILT UP.
THE MAAS BROTHERS LOT, PROBABLY BUILT UP AT SOME POINT.
HOW DO WE BUILD THIS IN THE PROPER CONTEXT?
1:20:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IN PART
OF THIS DISCUSSION, I REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF A STAKEHOLDER
BOARD.
I THINK THAT WAS REALLY EXCELLENT.
I DIDN'T SAY THAT AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT ON
THERE.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME FORWARD AGAIN IS A MINIMUM
SIZE SIGN THAT'S LARGER THAN A BILLBOARD AND THEN I WANT TO
HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS BRANDED FRAME AND LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT
MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT CAN CHANGE.
MAYBE IT'S LIKE A PIECE OF METAL THAT COULD THEN CHANGE OVER
TIME OR MAYBE JUST A SIMPLE -- I DON'T KNOW.

JUST SOMETHING THAT --
1:21:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FOR
ANYBODY TODAY.
ONE THING WE HAVE DECIDED THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD, IS
THERE ANYBODY WHO OBJECTS TO HAVING STAFF WORK ON DOING AN
RFQ HOPEFULLY WITH EXISTING VENDOR LIST TO BE ABLE TO
ESTABLISH --
1:21:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME UP WITH A
PLAN --
1:21:55PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY.
MAY I MAYBE HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GO SEE WHO IS
ON OUR CURRENT LIST FIRST.
EVEN IF I PROVIDE A WRITTEN MEMO BACK TO YOU TO SAY,
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, HERE IS WHO IS ON THE LIST --
1:22:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A WRITTEN MEMO ON JUNE
18.
1:22:19PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.
1:22:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT SHOULD BE A COUPLE -- IF ALL YOU ARE
DOING.
1:22:23PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
LET ME GET WITH RICHARD MUTTERBACK, SEE WHO
IS ON THERE, SEE IF THERE IS SOMEONE THAT MEETS THE SCOPE.
THEN WE KNOW, YES, WE DO, NO, WE DON'T AND THAT WOULD DRIVE
THE NEXT STEPS.
1:22:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT ON

THE JUNE 18 AGENDA TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON THE POSSIBILITY OF
AN RFQ FOR --
1:22:50PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I GUESS IF WE HAVE SOMEONE, THEN WE WOULD
JUST NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A SCOPE OF SERVICES.
IF WE HAVE SOMEONE, WE'LL DO A SCOPE OF SERVICES VERSUS
HAVING TO GO THROUGH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
GO TO API, I KEEP SAYING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS ONE I
KNOW WE HAVE, TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE XY AND Z DONE AND BRING
THAT TO YOU FOR APPROVAL.
THE OTHER THING WOULD BE MONEY.
1:23:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD ASK FOR STAFF TO BRING AN UPDATE ON
COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR A BUILDING INVENTORY FOR SIGNS.
INCLUDING POSSIBLE COSTS.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
1:23:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU?
1:23:33PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YEP.
1:23:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
1:23:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL VOTE AGAINST IT AT THE END.
1:23:43PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:23:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WRITTEN REPORT JUNE 18.
1:23:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL OPPOSED NAY.
AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU.

1:23:52PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
DID WE ALREADY MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE STAFF
COME BACK AFTER THEY MEET WITH THE LAWYER OR TO PROVIDE US
WITH SOME INFORMATION AFTER THAT?
1:24:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE NOT, BUT I THINK THEY'LL PROBABLY
PROVIDE US INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS.
1:24:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT MOTION IF YOU WANT TO
MAKE IT.
1:24:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOU CAN ALWAYS TALK
WITH MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ OFF-LINE AND BRING BACK SOMETHING FOR
A MOTION TONIGHT OR AT A LATER DATE.
1:24:30PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE INFORMATION GOING
FORWARD BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S COME UP AND I'M SURE WE ALL
HEARD ABOUT IT.
I WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
1:24:41PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
PERHAPS WHAT WE COULD DO IS WHEN YOU HAVE
THE MOTION -- EXCUSE ME, THE WRITTEN REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU
ON JUNE 18.
1:24:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO, I THINK THEY CAN BE TANDEM.
1:24:51PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THEY ARE HAVING THE MEETING TOMORROW
AFTERNOON.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT COMES OUT OF THE MEETING.
1:25:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT --
1:25:03PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T WANT EXPECTATION TO BE, BECAUSE SHE HAS ONLY BEEN
RETAINED -- COUNCIL APPROVED HER CONTRACT A WEEK AGO.

WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HER YET.
SHE'S GOT TWO FIVE-INCH THICK BINDERS OF BACKGROUND MATERIAL
TO LOOK AT.
I THINK IT WILL TAKE HER A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET UP TO
SPEED.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS 18 MONTHS.
HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING AND UPDATE COUNCIL ONCE WE HAVE
TALKED TO HER AND HAS THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK.
1:25:33PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MAYBE DO INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS WITH EVERYBODY,
JUST INITIAL BRIEFINGS AFTER THE CONVERSATION.
1:25:42PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
AFTER THE CONVERSATION TOMORROW?
1:25:44PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
NO.
MAYBE LIKE TWO WEEKS.
1:25:48PM >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
I CAN CHECK WITH HER AND SEE WHAT
TIME FRAME AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT SHE THINKS.
1:25:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS
THAT I THINK WE DISCUSSED.
ONE IS MY ISSUE, AND THAT IS THE TIME SHARE THING.
20% IS A NONSTARTER.
I WOULD VOTE AGAINST A 20% TIME SHARE.
IT JUST DOESN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH PUBLIC BENEFIT TO BE ABLE TO
JUSTIFY THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
I THINK HAVING EXAMPLES OF WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID
WOULD REQUIRE TO MAKE IT THAT PLACE MAKING REQUIREMENT, HAVE
A KITTY CAT ON TOP OF THE ROOF WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN 20%,

PUSHING STUFF OVER THE SIDE.
1:26:32PM >> AS WE LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR TIME SHARE, THREE PARTIES
INVOLVED, WHOEVER IS MANAGING THE SIGN, THE LANDLORD AND THE
MEDIA COMPANY.
TIME HAS TO BE SPREAD ACROSS THOSE THREE ENTITIES.
1:26:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
WE CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING THEM TO BEGIN WITH.
20% IS A NONSTARTER.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY VALID POINT ABOUT
THE AESTHETICS OF THIS.
WE HAVE ART COMMITTEES THAT REVIEW.
ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT?
1:27:12PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IN THE CRITERIA, YOU COULD PUT A LICENSED
ARCHITECT AND/OR -- PROBABLY A LICENSED ARCHITECT WOULD NEED
TO LOOK AT IT.
IT NEEDS TO MATCH AESTHETICALLY.
IF YOU PLUNK A SIGN, LIKE THE EXAMPLE THAT WE ALL DIDN'T
LIKE WITH FORT BROOKE, YOU PLUNK A SIGN ON THERE, THE
PROPORTIONS ARE TOTALLY OUT.
IT'S NOT SYMMETRICAL AT ALL.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AESTHETICALLY AND SORT IT OUT.
MAYBE A MAXIMUM SIZE OR MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE BUT SHOULD BE
SIGNED OFF BY AN ARCHITECT.
1:27:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY DON'T WE LEAVE THAT AS A TO BE
DETERMINED OF HOW WE EVALUATE THE AESTHETICS AND BALANCE OF

THE SIZE OF THE SIGN PER BUILDING SO WE DON'T GET INTO THE
MAXIMUM.
EVERY BUILDING WILL BE DIFFERENT.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT MAYBE A PROCEDURE OF HOW WE DO THAT.
MAYBE IF YOU HAVE IDEAS NEXT TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS, BRING
THOSE FORWARD AS FAR AS EVALUATION.
AGAIN, WHAT THAT SIGN LOOKS LIKE ON THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING
AND HOW IT WILL BALANCE OUT.
MAYBE NOT JUST THAT BUILDING, MAYBE THE OTHER BUILDINGS
AROUND IT, HOW IT BALANCES OUT.
1:28:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALSO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS HAVE DIFFERENT
FACADES.
TAKE THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, IT'S FLAT AND LARGE AND FLAT.
SOME BUILDINGS HAVE VERTICAL LINES.
SOME BUILDINGS HAVE CRISSCROSSED LINES.
AN ARTIST WOULD LOOK AT IT AND THEY WOULD RECOMMEND
DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS AND DIFFERENT SIZES BASED ON THE
EXTERIOR STYLE OF THE BUILDING.
1:28:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GARAGES ARE VERY HORIZONTAL.
1:28:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YEAH, LIKE WHERE THE ONE WAS -- I'M NOT AN
ARCHITECT OR ARTIST, BUT I THINK ALL OF US SAW RIGHT AWAY
THAT THE ONE PLUNKED ON THE FORT BROOKE GARAGE, THAT WAS NOT
IN THE RIGHT PROPORTION AND DIDN'T MATCH WITH THE FLOW OF
THE BUILDING.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THEM AND DETERMINE.

1:29:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO MAYBE BRING THAT BACK.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT I'M FORGETTING?
1:29:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T KNOW IF WE ASKED THE PUBLIC --
1:29:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.
THAT CLOSES OUT WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT, THE LAST
THING.
I HAVE SOME ONLINE PEOPLE, TOO.
MS. FEELEY, YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING.
1:29:29PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, ONE LAST THING.
WHAT YOU ARE STARTING NOW TO TALK ABOUT ARE THE OPERATIONAL
ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM.
WHAT WE'RE FIRST TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT WILL GO INTO THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE AS LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROGRAMMATIC, OPERATIONAL MATTERS
THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOT TO THAT'S AGAIN KIND OF A PART 2.
ONE THING WE DID TALK ABOUT AT THE ONSET OF THIS, HOW DO YOU
CONTROL CONTENT.
HOW DO YOU ENSURE THIS ISN'T MONS VENUS ADS AND ALCOHOL ADS.
1:30:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS NO JUDGMENT FOR MONS VENUS.
THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE AN OFFICIAL POSITION.
1:30:13PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ADULT-TYPE USE ADVERTISEMENT, THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS.
THAT IS THE PROGRAMMATIC ASPECT THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
WHO WILL -- WHEN IT'S ON AT 1:00 IN THE MORNING AND SHOULD

BE OFF, WHO IS GOING TO GO OUT THERE.
WHEN YOU PUT THAT IN A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION, THAT'S
NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT TO BE.
THAT HAS TO COME OUT OF THE PROGRAMMATIC OPERATIONAL ASPECT
OF IT, WHICH I THINK STILL NEEDS TO BE FLESHED OUT FURTHER.
START WITH WHERE DO WE WANT, HOW DO, AND THEN GET TO THE HOW
OF HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
WHO IS GOING TO SAY WHEN IT'S NOT 50% PUBLIC SHARE, ART
SHARE VERSUS PRIVATE ADVERTISEMENT.
THAT'S GOT TO BE MANAGED AND CONTROLLED BY SOMEONE.
1:31:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HENCE THE PARTNERSHIP BEING HERE HAS KIND
OF ALREADY GIVEN THAT NOD OR DIRECTION, WE'RE ASSUMING,
BARRING ANY OTHER UNFORESEEN INJECTION OF SOMETHING HERE,
THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE THE MANAGING AUTHORITY OF
THIS, IS MY -- AND BASED ON WHAT A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM
DENVER SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST
PRACTICE.
1:31:29PM >> A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE MANAGED IN SPECIAL AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE PARTNERSHIP AND --
1:31:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GIVEN THE GUIDELINES THAT THE GOVERNING
BODY HAS PROVIDED.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THE INTENTION OF THIS COUNCIL
WOULD BE AS WELL IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS THAT WE'LL BE
MOVING FORWARD WITH, ONE, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES FOR
THE GOVERNING STRUCTURE OF THIS.

WE'LL HAVE THE DESIGN ASPECTS AS BEST WE CAN, GOVERNING
STRUCTURE AND MANAGEMENT PART WOULD BE GOVERNED BY A
CONTRACT, AN AGREEMENT THAT WE REACHED WITH THE DOWNTOWN
PARTNERSHIP AND DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE MANAGING THE
INDIVIDUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT BASED ON THE STRUCTURE
THAT THIS GOVERNING BODY ESTABLISHED.
1:32:10PM >>ABBYE FEELEY:
REVENUE ALSO IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO KEEP.
I KNOW AT THE ONSET, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAD TALKED ABOUT
REVENUE SHARE OF THIS POTENTIALLY COMING BACK INTO DOWNTOWN
TO DO THINGS PROGRAMMATICALLY FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN DOWNTOWN.
THAT TOO -- THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE WILL NEED TO TALK
ABOUT DOWN THE ROAD.
1:32:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK LOTS MORE TO DISCUSS.
I THINK THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN BEAT THIS HORSE
TODAY.
WHY DON'T WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW.
ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM,
PLEASE GO TO THE WALL.
ONCE IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT IS FINISHED, I DO HAVE THREE
INDIVIDUALS STILL ONLINE.
THEY STUCK WITH US ALL THIS TIME.
START WITH YOUR NAME AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:32:57PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS BOLAJI AJIKE.
I AM THE PRESIDENT OF ROC THE BLOCK, INC.

AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN SPONSORED BY IKE SMART CITY, I'M
HERE TO REPRESENT THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH OUR
ORGANIZATION.
WE HOST THE ANNUAL JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL DOWN AT RAYMOND JAMES
STADIUM.
AND THIS IS OUR SIXTH YEAR COMING UP.
IKE WAS ABLE TO PUT ALL OF OUR SIGNAGE, WAY FINDING
THROUGHOUT ALL OF TAMPA.
1:33:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ON THE TOP, YOU CAN WHEEL OUT TO SEE THE
WHOLE SCREEN.
THE VERY TIPTOP OF THE MACHINE.
1:33:41PM >> IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS, LAST YEAR WE PARTNERED WITH IKE.
TODAY I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT JUST THE DIFFERENT BENEFITS
THAT IKE HAS ALSO BROUGHT WITH US.
WE HAVE BEEN EXPANDING.
2021 WE STARTED AND WE STARTED IN DOWNTOWN ON FRANKLIN
STREET.
HOSTED A POP-UP DURING THE SUPER BOWL AND WE EXPANDED.
WORKED WITH CLEAR CHANNEL, OUTFRONT MEDIA.
IKE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE WAY FINDING AND CITY WALK AREA,
PEOPLE ARE WALKING ABOUT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY
THOSE DISABLED ARE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE SIGNAGE EVEN MORE SO
THAN THOSE WHO ARE DRIVING.
FURTHER -- SORRY, GETTING MY NOTES TOGETHER.
WE HOST A FULL WEEK THIS YEAR FROM MONDAY, JUNE 15th, TO

SATURDAY, JUNE 20, WE WILL BE AT RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM.
MONDAY IS OUR ANNUAL JUNETEENTH YOUTH SUMMIT.
IT'S GOING TO BE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS FOR THE KIDS.
THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE YOUTH AND
YOUTH PROGRAMMING, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS
THERE.
TUESDAY IS OUR HEALTH AND WELLNESS CONFERENCE AND WE INVITE
EVERYONE TO ALSO JOIN BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOOD
DISPARITY, VISIT TAMPA BAY -- FEEDING TAMPA BAY, ALSO
HELPING US WITH OUR PROGRAMMING AS WELL.
WEDNESDAY IS OUR COMMUNITY SYMPOSIUM.
WITH IKE AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT SIGNAGES, WE'RE ABLE TO
ADVERTISE AND TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN LOOK FOR, NOT JUST
JUNETEENTH BUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT EQUITY.
WITH SIGNAGE, IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
501 C 3 ESPECIALLY, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF FUNDING UNLESS WE
GET GRANTS.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET A GRANT THROUGH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND
THIS IS OUR SECOND HERE.
I'D LIKE TO LEND MY SUPPORT CONTINUALLY TO IKE.
1:35:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
1:35:48PM >> CRAIG BUZARSKI.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I AM THE OWNER OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE CENTRAL
BUSINESS DISTRICT AT 801 EAST WHITING STREET.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
I'M HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED DIGITAL BILLBOARD
INITIATIVE IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
FIRST, I WANT TO COMMEND THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP FOR
THEIR TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THEY HAVE PUT INTO THIS
EFFORT.
I ATTENDED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THEY HOSTED.
I BELIEVE THE PARTNERSHIP HAS DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB
GATHERING COMMUNITY INPUT.
LISTENING TO DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND APPROACHING THIS
INITIATIVE IN A THOUGHTFUL AND COLLABORATIVE WAY.
IT IS CLEAR THAT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND CARE HAS GONE INTO
HOW OTHER CITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM AND
HOW TAMPA CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT ENHANCES THE CHARACTER OF
DOWNTOWN WHILE MAINTAINING A HIGH DESIGN STANDARD.
AS A PROPERTY OWNER DOWNTOWN, I BELIEVE THE SIGNS CAN
PROVIDE A MEANINGFUL ECONOMIC BENEFIT WHILE ALSO HELPING TO
CREATE A MORE VIBRANT, ENGAGING, AND DYNAMIC URBAN
ENVIRONMENT.
I ALSO THINK THE SIGNS PRESENT A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO
SUPPORT AND SHOWCASE TAMPA'S GROWING ART COMMUNITY.
MY ONLY CONCERNS RELATES TO THE PROPOSAL TO INITIALLY LIMIT
THE NUMBER TO SIX LOCATIONS.

MY CONCERN IS THAT LIMITING THE NUMBER TO SIX LOCATIONS
COULD CREATE A RACE TO THE APPLICATION BOX WHERE APPLICANTS
ARE FOCUSED ON BEING FIRST RATHER THAN FOCUSED ON DELIVERING
THE MOST THOUGHTFUL AND WELL DESIGNED PROJECTS.
I ALSO WORRY THAT SUCH A LIMITED INITIAL ROLLOUT COULD
UNINTENTIONALLY EXCLUDE STRONG SITES AND STRONG APPLICANTS
SIMPLY BECAUSE OF TIMING RATHER THAN THE QUALITY OF THE
PROPOSAL.
IF THE GOAL IS TO CREATE A SUCCESSFUL AND VISUALLY
ATTRACTIVE PROGRAM FOR DOWNTOWN TAMPA, I BELIEVE THE CITY
BENEFITS FROM ALLOWING ENOUGH OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT
APPLICANTS CAN THOUGHTFULLY PLAN, DESIGN AND INTEGRATE THE
SIGNS INTO THEIR BUILDINGS AND SURROUNDING STREETSCAPE.
ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A LARGER INITIAL ROLLOUT,
PERHAPS IN THE RANGE OF 10 TO 12 LOCATIONS TO ALLOW FOR A
MORE MEASURED, COMPETITIVE AND DESIGNED FOCUS PERSPECTIVE
THAT RESULTS IN HIGH QUALITY PROJECTS FOR DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
1:37:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. PRESSMAN.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
1:37:54PM >> YES, SIR.
TODD PRESSMAN.
ST. PETERSBURG.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP FOR THEIR HARD
WORK AND FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR WHO I
REPRESENTED FOR A QUITE A NUMBER OF DECADES.
I WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY DURING THOSE DECADES TO BRING
FORWARD THE CURRENT SETTLEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS OPERATED
UNDER FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF DECADES.
CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR MADE A TREMENDOUS, FAR-REACHING
SACRIFICE, AND THEY REMOVED 772 BILLBOARDS IN THIS CITY.
A GRAND MAJORITY OF THEIR INVENTORY.
A DEAL WAS MADE, STILL A LIVING DOCUMENT, WHICH IS STILL IN
OPERATION.
AND NOW TODAY WE COME FORWARD AND WE'RE SEEKING TO THROW OUT
THAT DEAL, RESHUFFLE THE CARDS, AND DO SOMETHING BRAND-NEW.
OBVIOUSLY, CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR AND LIKELY THE OTHER
OUTDOOR ADVERTISING COMPANY IS GOING TO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
THAT.
I DON'T DEAL WITH LEGAL MATTERS, AS YOU KNOW.
I'M JUST A ZONING GUY.
BUT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN RAISED BY YOUR STAFF.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND PART OF
HOW THIS MAY POTENTIALLY WORK.
BUT AS THE TAMPA BAY TIMES SAID ABOUT THIS ISSUE, THEY NOTED
THAT THIS WOULD CHANGE THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER WITH DIGITAL
SIGNS OVERWHELMING THE PEDESTRIAN VIBE AND REDUCING DOWNTOWN
APPEAL.
REOPEN LEGAL SETTLEMENT OVER BILLBOARDS.

TEN TO ONE REDUCTION.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT DENVER, WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED A LOT TODAY,
WHICH WAS DONE BY THIS SAME TEAM, NOTED -- 80% OF THESE
VISUALS ARE COMMERCIAL.
MICROSOFT, BING, SONY, INSERT YOUR NAME HERE.
THE KITTY CAT WE SAW WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND VERY CUTE.
BUT REMEMBER WHAT YOU ARE OPENING UP BY REMOVING OR
ADDRESSING THIS SETTLEMENT AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED WILL BE
THE WILD, WILD WEST OF ADVERTISING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE
CITY.
IT WILL BE PANDORA'S BOX BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT
REGULATION FOR ELECTRONIC SIGNAGE, VISUAL SIGNAGE AND FOR
OPEN FIELD FOR WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED.
THOSE IMPLICATIONS ARE SIGNIFICANT AND FAR-REACHING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THANK YOU.
1:40:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:40:51PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
ALFRED WENDLER, I'M ALSO WITH CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW-UP AND REITERATE WHAT TODD WAS
SAYING.
ONE THING I WOULD CAUTION IS THAT YOU ALL EXPECT THAT THIS
IS GOING TO STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO.
WE DID A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST ACT EARLIER THIS
YEAR.
ONE THING WE DISCOVERED THAT OUR COMPETITOR OUT FRONT HAS
PUT A PROPOSAL BEFORE THE CITY TO CONVERT TEN BILLBOARDS
ACROSS THE CITY.
AND THEY HAVE -- THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD TAKE DOWN 18
FACES IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE TEN DIGITALS.
UNDER THE CURRENT CODE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE DOWN AS A
TEN TO ONE RATIO.
IT IS A SQUARE FOOT RATIO.
WE HAVE TO TAKE DOWN TEN TIMES THE SIGNAGE IF WE WANT TO
CONVERT ONE OF OUR SIGNS.
ALREADY, YOU'RE SEEING THAT OUR COMPETITORS ARE SAYING,
WELL, IF WE CHANGE THE RULES, WE'LL CHANGE ALL THE RULES.
I WOULD CAUTION THAT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, TO TODD'S
POINT, LITIGATED OVER THIS FROM A PERIOD OF TIME STARTING IN
THE MID '80s.
PEOPLE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN THE PAST,
TO TODD'S POINT, CURRENT LIVING DOCUMENT.
WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER IT.
WE'VE BEEN OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH.
AS A COMPANY IF WE SUFFERED SUBSTANTIAL LOSSES TO THE POINT
WHERE WE TOOK DOWN MORE SIGNS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAN OUR
TAMPA MARKET CURRENTLY OPERATES.

PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, THIS YEAR, WE'RE ON BOARD TO
ROUGHLY DO 38 MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF BICYCLING WITH 690
SIGNS.
WE TOOK DOWN 770 SIGNS.
WHEN YOU START TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE DO AS A COMPANY
TO ADDRESS OUR LOSSES, OUR HARM, START LOOKING AT THIS AND
SAY IT'S GOING TO BE BIG, IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL FOR
US, THEN IT ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION WHY NOT JUST DO ANYTHING.
WE WORKED HARD TO GET TO A GOOD PLACE AS AN INDUSTRY.
THE DUST SETTLED.
WE HAD A LOT OF SKIRMISHES 20 YEARS AGO.
DUST SETTLES.
ALL OF A SUDDEN LOOKING AT AGREEMENTS.
BEGS THE QUESTION, YOU WENT THROUGH A PROCESS, LOOKED AT IT,
HAD OUR COMPETITOR, WHICH HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE
CONVERSATION, BUT THEY ARE THE IMPETUS BEHIND THIS.
IT WASN'T GWEN.
IT WAS ORANGE BARREL GOING TO GWEN PUSHING THAT THE PROGRAM
GO FORWARD.
YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH YOUR PROCESS, YOU LOOKED AT IT AND
CAME TO A CONCLUSION, GUYS, TOOK IT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
REALLY CAN'T FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT EQUITABLE FOR THE
INDUSTRY, SO WE'LL PASS.
THAT'S ALSO A REASONABLE OUTCOME OF THEM WORKSHOP.
I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND APPRECIATES YOUR TIME.

1:43:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK
TO YOUR ITEM?
WE'LL MOVE TO ONLINE.
GABBY CACERES.
1:43:40PM >> HELLO.
GABBY CACERES FROM RONALD McDONALD HOUSE TAMPA BAY.
JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HOW AS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION,
ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS VISIBILITY, ESPECIALLY
DURING MAJOR MOMENTS LIKE LAUNCHING A NEW BRAND OR RAISING
AWARENESS FOR THE FAMILIES WE SERVE.
-- PARTNERED WITH IKE SMART CITY TO HELP REINTRODUCE OUR
ORGANIZATION TO THE COMMUNITY WITH A NEW LOOK, FEEL, AND
MESSAGE CENTERED AROUND FAMILY CENTERED CARE.
THROUGH THAT PARTNERSHIP, OUR MESSAGING RECEIVED OVER HALF A
MILLION VIEWS ACROSS THE TAMPA COMMUNITY FOR A NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATION.
THAT KIND OF VISIBILITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPACTFUL.
WHAT MADE IT EVEN MORE MEANINGFUL WAS THAT THE EXPOSURE WAS
PROVIDED AS COMMUNITY ADVERTISING SPACE THROUGH IKE'S
COMMUNITY COMMITMENT.
SO COMPLETELY FREE.
AS I LIKE TO SAY, IF IT'S FREE, IT'S FOR ME.
AS NONPROFITS, WE OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS
ABOUT WHERE LIMITED MARKETING DOLLARS GO.
THIS PARTNERSHIP ALLOWED US TO REACH THE PUBLIC IN A MAJOR

WAY THAT -- SUPPORTING FAMILIES WITH HOSPITALIZED CHILDREN.
WHETHER SOMEONE IS WALKING DOWNTOWN, ATTENDING AN EVENT,
STUCK IN TRAFFIC LIKE I AM ON ASHLEY DRIVE, AND I SEE THE
CITY BILLBOARDS, SAY WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND TOWN.
THESE SIGNS CREATE MOMENTS OF AWARENESS THAT TRADITIONAL
MARKETING OFTEN CANNOT.
FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE RONALD McDONALD HOUSE, THAT
VISIBILITY DIRECTLY IMPACTS FAMILIES BY HELPING PEOPLE LEARN
ABOUT RESOURCES THAT MAY SUPPORT THEM DURING SOME OF THE
HARD MOMENTS OF THEIR LIVES.
GRATEFUL FOR PARTNERS LIKE IKE WHO ARE HELPING CREATE MORE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR NONPROFITS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO
HAVE A VISIBLE VOICE IN OUR CITY.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
1:45:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, GABBY.
TAMMY ROQUE.
1:45:47PM >> I'M TAMMY ROQUE WITH HIGHWOODS PROPERTIES.
WE OWN AND MANAGE THE TRUIST PLACE BUILDING DOWNTOWN AS WELL
AS THE -- HERMAN LOT AND GARAGE.
WE WANT TO FIRST THANK THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP.
THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THE GUIDELINES.
I ALSO ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AND HERE
IN SUPPORT FOR THIS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
AS A DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNER, WE DO VIEW THIS AS AN EXCITING
PROGRAM.

MUCH-NEEDED OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM WHICH
CAN BE REINVESTED INTO THE PROPERTIES AND BUILDINGS
DOWNTOWN.
ALSO FINDS A PLATFORM FOR PROPERTY MESSAGING, COMMUNITY
ARTS, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND IMPACT.
THANK YOU, MS. HURTAK, FIVE SIGNS OR SIX SIGNS IS NOT
ENOUGH, AND PUTTING THIS INTO A PILOT PROGRAM IS GOING TO
CAUSE I THINK MORE ISSUES THAN NOT.
EITHER WE DECIDE TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS PROGRAM OR DO NOT.
LIMITING THE SIGNS TO 650 SQUARE FEET DOES MAKE THIS LOOK
LIKE A STANDARD BILLBOARD ALONG THE SIDE OF A HIGHWAY.
AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE REVIEW.
WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR INPUT AND IMPACT IN SUPPORT OF
THE INITIATIVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO ANY OPPORTUNITY THIS CAN
CREATE FOR THE DOWNTOWN AND THANK YOU, WE LOOK FORWARD TO
MORE MEETINGS AHEAD OF TIME.
1:47:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TAMMY.
TYLER SIROTA.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
1:47:34PM >> HELLO.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS TYLER SIROTA, FOUNDER OF THE ART ORGANIZATION
THAT'S BEEN HELPING CULTIVATE THE ART SCENE IN TAMPA THE

LAST SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.
ALSO THE FOUNDER OF TAMPA'S FIRST ART FAIR TAMPA TAKING
PLACE THIS OCTOBER AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE DIGITAL SIGNAGE THAT IS ACROSS
DOWNTOWN.
I BELIEVE IT IS A GREAT WAY TO HELP PROMOTE LOCAL ARTISTS,
EVENTS, CULTURE.
SEEING ART DAILY IS AN INSPIRATION FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT
COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
IT HONESTLY SPURS INNOVATION.
BEING A CITY WITH INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, SEEING LOCAL ART
OR ARTISTS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IT'S I THINK A BIG HELP
IN INCREASING INNOVATION.
AND RAISING AWARENESS FOR LOCAL ARTISTS AND ALLOWS
ACCESSIBILITY AND BEAUTY TO THE CITY.
GIVES THE COMMUNITY A SENSE OF BELONGING.
AND KIND OF GIVES SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
WHAT WILL BE ON THE SIGNAGE TODAY OR ON THE SIGNAGE NEXT
WEEK.
ANOTHER THING IS THAT ART REDUCES STRESS.
IF YOU ARE DRAWN TO SOMETHING AND HELPS YOU THINK OF
SOMETHING IN A NEW WAY, JUST ALL AROUND IN SUPPORT OF
EVERYTHING THE SIGNS HAVE BROUGHT TO THE CITY AND LOOK
FORWARD TO NEW WAYS TO HIGHLIGHT THE LOCAL ART COMMUNITY.
1:49:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKERS?

THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PARTNERSHIP AND ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS
AND STAFF.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
1:49:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION.
WE CAN DO IT QUICK OR LONGER.
DISCUSSION, WE SET A RULE A COUPLE OF YORES AGO THAT SAID --
YEARS AGO THAT SAID STAFF PUT DOCUMENTS IN OnBase BY 5:00
ON FRIDAY AND THEY STARTED SAYING WE'RE DOING VERBAL REPORTS
AND THERE'S NO DOCUMENTS.
THIS MORNING WE HAD A REALLY IMPORTANT DETAILED
CONVERSATION.
WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO SEE THE DOCUMENTS LAST WEEK.
WE HAVE LIMITED CONTROL OVER THE ADMINISTRATION BUT WE HAVE
CONTROL OVER OUR AGENDA.
SO WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO?
IN A CASE WHERE WE ARE ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO PRESENT,
THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT PUT ANYTHING IN THERE AND SAID WE
WOULD CANCEL IT.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE
DOCUMENTS IN TIME TO READ THEM IN ADVANCE.
1:50:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T LIKE THE ABSOLUTE.
I GET THAT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THEM POSTED OnBase.
BUT I THINK TYING OUR OWN HANDS PROBABLY IS NOT -- NOT

EVERYTHING IS -- SOMETIMES STUFF JUST HAPPENS.
1:50:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE SHOULD CHARGE THE ADMINISTRATION A
$50,000 FINE THAT WOULD GO TO CHARITY.
1:51:07PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU.
FOR ME, ESPECIALLY, I'M STILL FAIRLY NEW.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE INFORMATION BEFOREHAND, ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT IS A VERY LENGTHY CONVERSATION SO YOU HAVE TIME TO
LOOK OVER IT.
IF I NEED TO TALK WITH MS. KOPESKY ABOUT NUMBERS, IT KIND OF
HELPS A LITTLE MORE AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE CONVERSATION
BUT ALSO TO OUR CHAIR'S POINT, I KNOW SOMETIMES THINGS MAY
CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE MORE EFFORT IN
GETTING THE DOCUMENTS INTO OnBase IF POSSIBLE IS WE CAN
HAVE -- INSTEAD OF THE FIRST TIME LOOKING AT 20 PAGES IS
SITTING HERE AND FORMULATE OUR QUESTIONS AS WE'RE DIGESTING
IT VERSUS HAVING 24 HOURS TO LOOK OVER IT.
1:52:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUR EXPECTATION IS IT IS ONLINE.
I HATE HAVING THINGS ABSOLUTE.
1:52:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THE PERCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC IS THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION DOES IT ON PURPOSE.
THEY DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GENERATE
OPPOSITION.
IT IS WHAT IT IS, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF THE PUBLIC IS NOT GIVEN
A CHANCE TO SEE IT, THEY'LL COME BACK AGAIN AND ASK US TO

PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AGAIN.
IT WILL TAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
BUT SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO COMPEL THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE
TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO
THROW IT OUT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS.
1:52:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO IT ON PURPOSE OR
NOT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES, THE
PROCEDURES SHOULD BE WHAT IT IS HERE.
HOWEVER, EXCEPTION TO EVERY RULE.
SOMETHING HAPPENS, CAN'T GET IT.
EMERGENCY, DO IT THAT WAY TO PASS IT ON A THURSDAY.
IF YOU MISS THAT THURSDAY, YOU GOT TO WAIT ANOTHER WEEK, AND
BY THAT TIME, GONE TO YOU KNOW WHERE, AND YOU CAN'T SOLVE
THE PROBLEM AND EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM TRYING TO SOLVE
EARLIER.
MAYBE THE CHAIRPERSON, WHOEVER HE OR SHE IS, ENTITLED TO
HAVE COMMUNICATION, ADMINISTRATION CALL THE CHAIR AND TELL
THEM WHAT IT IS AND THEN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND
SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
1:53:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DUMP IT ON THE CHAIR.
1:53:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU WANTED THAT.
1:53:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVERY TIME I CALL A FRIEND AND COMPLAIN
ABOUT MY DAY AFTER THURSDAYS THEY GO, YOU ASKED FOR IT.
YOU SIGNED UP FOR THIS.

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE, TODAY WITH THE BUDGET THING.
LET'S SAY WE STUCK TO THIS RULE, WHAT WOULD THE OPTION BE,
WE DON'T GET THE PRESENTATION, NOW IT GETS KICKED OFF TO
ANOTHER MEETING FROM A MONTH.
1:53:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE QUESTION IS, WHY WERE THEY LATE?
THEY HAD PLENTY OF NOTICE.
CAN'T SAY IT WAS LAST MINUTE.
IF WE DIDN'T GIVE ENOUGH TIME, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
PROBABLY SOMEBODY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE DIDN'T WANT THE
PUBLIC TO SEE IN ADVANCE SO THEY COULD ARGUE.
1:54:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S STRATEGERY AS GEORGE BUSH WOULD
SAY.
I THINK THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT ON OnBase AS PER COUNCIL'S
REQUEST, WE'LL ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO PLEASE, BEST OF
YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE ABILITY TO MEET THAT GOAL.
AND THAT EXPECTATION FROM COUNCIL.
1:54:33PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA WAS SAYING,
AS YOU WERE DOING AGENDA REVIEW, WE ALL SEE ON FRIDAY IF IT
IS IN OR NOT.
THEY SAY, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS BUT NEED MORE
TIME, THEN YOU COULD SAY I'LL WORK WITH COUNCIL AND GIVE YOU
MORE TIME.
IF YOU SEE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL THAT THEY
ARE TRYING TO PUSH THROUGH WITHOUT GIVING THE PUBLIC A HEADS
UP, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

1:54:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU PLEASE HELP ME WITH
THAT?
1:55:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
OFF-LINE, YES.
1:55:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I ALREADY DO THAT DURING MY AGENDA REVIEWS.
I ASK WHY ISN'T THIS IN OnBase.
SOMETIMES IT IS A MISTAKE AND SOMETIMES THEY JUST DON'T HAVE
IT.
I THINK LEAVING IT TO YOU IS A GOOD IDEA.
1:55:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL ADD THAT TO OUR CHECKLIST FOR AGENDA
REVIEW.
I DUMP IT ON THE LAWYERS.
DUMP THAT ON MR. SHELBY.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.
NEW BUSINESS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WANT TO DO IT TONIGHT?
VERY GOOD.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
MANISCALCO, SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
SEE YOU AT 5:01 P.M.
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