TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 28, 2026, 5:01 P.M.
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5:07:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WAITED FOR A FULL COUNCIL,
WHICH COUNCILMAN VIERA SHOULD BE SHOWING MOMENTARILY.
CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
CLERK, CALL THE ROLL.
5:07:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
5:07:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
5:07:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
5:07:47PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
5:07:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
5:07:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
5:07:51PM >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
5:07:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
5:07:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
THE AYES HAVE IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:08:06PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
SECOND.
5:08:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL ALSO ADD A PRESENTATION ON
BROWNFIELDS, GIVE MS. McLANE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT
BROWNFIELDS.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK --
5:08:31PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
5:08:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
5:08:35PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE TAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?
5:08:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT WAS PUBLISHED THAT WAY.
5:08:42PM >> WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT?
5:08:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEVER MIND.
DISREGARD ALL THE ABOVE.
SEE, EVERYTHING IS DISCOMBOBULATED BECAUSE COUNCILMAN VIERA
WAS NOT HERE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS ARRIVED ON
NORTH TAMPA TIME.
NEW TAMPA TIME.
VERY GOOD.
PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE BEEN OPENED.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A PRESENTATION.
GO AHEAD.
5:09:11PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL SINCE TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS
COMPLETELY BROWNFIELDS HEARINGS.
AT LEAST ITEM 1 HAS GENERATED SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INTEREST.
OFTENTIMES THERE IS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT A BROWNFIELD
IS, WHY WE PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO PUT ON RECORD SOME
ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
I'LL DEFINITELY KEEP IT FIVE MINUTES OR LESS.
THE BROWNFIELDS REDEVELOPMENT ACT WAS ORIGINALLY PASSED BY
THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE IN 1997 FOR THE PURPOSES OF
ELIMINATING BLIGHT AND INCENTIVIZING INVESTMENT IN
PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED OR UTILIZED PRIMARILY INDUSTRIAL AND
COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT EITHER ARE CONTAMINATED OR SUSPECTED
TO BE CONTAMINATED BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT ECONOMIC INCENTIVES
DIDN'T EXIST TO INTERESTED POTENTIAL REDEVELOPERS TO TAKE ON
A PROPERTY LIKE THAT AND DEAL WITH THE EXPENSE OF
CONTAMINATION CLEANUP.
SO THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT STATED IN THE ACT FOR THE PURPOSES
OF ADOPTING IT WAS PRIMARILY TO ADDRESS BLIGHT, INCENTIVIZE
COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT OVER FURTHER EXPANSION OUT INTO
EXISTING AGRICULTURAL AND LESS DENSE AREAS.
IT INCENTIVIZED INCREASING DENSITY AND UTILIZING
UNDERUTILIZED OR OFTEN COMPLETELY ABANDONED PROPERTIES.
SOME OF THE INCENTIVES THAT EXIST IN THE STATUTE RANGE FROM
A BROAD RANGE OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVES AND ALSO LEGAL
LIABILITY PROTECTION.
THE REASON THE CITY REQUEST AS BOTH ITEMS ON THE AGENDA
TONIGHT ARE CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES, GENERALLY IS THE
PARTICULAR FINANCIAL INCENTIVE THAT BENEFITS THE CITY IS TAX
CREDITS FOR THE AMOUNT EXPENDED TO CLEAN UP AS AN ENTITY
THAT DOESN'T PAY TAXES, THE CITY STILL BENEFITS BECAUSE THEY
CAN RESELL THOSE ON THE OPEN MARKET AND RECOUP SOME OF THE
MONEY THAT THEY EXPEND FOR THOSE CLEANUPS WHEN THEY BUY
THESE PROPERTIES.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO LIABILITY PROTECTION.
FOR ANY FUTURE CLEANUP OR ALLEGATIONS BY ADJACENT PROPERTY
OWNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AS SOON AS THE PROPERTY HAS
BEEN DESIGNATED AND IN OUR CASE THE CITY HAS ENTERED INTO AN
AGREEMENT CALLED A BROWNFIELD SITE REHABILITATION AGREEMENT
WHICH IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ADMINISTERED BY THE
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION COMMISSION, THE LIABILITY
PROTECTION ATTACHES.
SO THAT IS FREQUENTLY WHY WE BRING THESE CITY-OWNED
BROWNFIELD DESIGNATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
PRIVATE ENTITIES BENEFIT AND HAVE A LOT OF OTHER FINANCIAL
INCENTIVES BUILT INTO THE STATUTE AND ACTUALLY OTHER
STATUTES REFERENCE.
SOME RANGE FROM THINGS LIKE IF THEY ARE ALSO BUILDING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE BROWNFIELD SITE IN ADDITION TO THE
TAX CREDITS FOR CLEANUP, THEY CAN GET TAX EXEMPTION ON
PURCHASING SOME OR ALL OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
ALL THAT TO SAY SOMETIMES I THINK THE PUBLIC FINDS IT VERY
SCARY AND THINKS THAT IS A DESIGNATION IS MEANING THAT THERE
IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO BE AFRAID OF AND AVOID THE SITE.
RATHER, IT IS ACTUALLY A VERY BENEFICIAL PROGRAM.
I THINK IF YOU ASK ANYONE ON ANY SIDE OF THE POLITICAL
SPECTRUM, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW STATUTES THAT EVERYBODY
AGREES IS IN THE PUBLIC BENEFIT.
THE DEVELOPERS LIKE IT BECAUSE IT PROVIDES THEM FINANCIAL
INCENTIVES.
THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE AND
COMBAT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND CONTRIBUTE TO URBAN INFILL
OVER URBAN SPRAWL ALSO FIND IT TO BE A VERY BENEFICIAL ACT.
AND THAT IS IT.
JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON RECORD.
5:13:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
NOW ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1.
5:13:09PM >>McLANE EVANS:
THANK YOU.
McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
ITEM NUMBER 1 IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BROWNFIELD
DESIGNATION FOR ROYAL STREET.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE
CITY COUNCIL FOR A PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION OF A
CITY-OWNED PROPERTY CONSISTING OF FOUR ADJOINING PARCELS
THAT ARE GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF 1411 NORTH
ASHLEY STREET, 103 EAST LAUREL STREET, 1200 NORTH TAMPA
STREET, AND 1312 TAMPA STREET.
THIS IS ALSO COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE ARMY NAVY STORE
SITE.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS REQUESTING DESIGNATION OF THESE
PROPERTIES AS A BROWNFIELD AREA TO ASSIST IN THE ASSESSMENT
AND REMEDIATION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY EXIST
ON THE PROPERTY.
DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN A DOCUMENT
ENTITLED STAFF REPORT ON ROYAL STREET BROWNFIELD AREA
DESIGNATION, WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW IN THE
CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WHICH IS
SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 18, 2026, AT 10:30 A.M. OR AS SOON
THEREAFTER AS POSSIBLE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
PASS A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING ROYAL STREET A BROWNFIELD
AREA.
STAFF AND I ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT TEAM
HERE FOR YOU.
5:14:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
HEARING NONE --
5:14:23PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
DO WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
5:14:25PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION TO CLOSE ON THIS
ONE?
MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM --
5:14:33PM >>McLANE EVANS:
WERE YOU COUNTING PUBLIC COMMENT FROM WHEN
YOU ASKED EARLIER --
5:14:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK
ON THIS ITEM?
HEARING NONE.
MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
SINCE THEY ACKNOWLEDGED EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC IS STAFF.
5:14:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WOULD BE AMAZED OF THE HAVOC IF THAT
WEREN'T IN THE RECORD.
5:14:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S TRUE.
VERY GOOD.
WE PASS A RESOLUTION ON THE SECOND ONE.
5:15:03PM >>McLANE EVANS:
THAT'S CORRECT.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR A
PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY
CONSISTING OF TWO ADJOINING PROPERTIES THAT ARE GENERALLY
LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF 1125 AND 1127 EAST TWIGGS STREET.
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS REQUESTING DESIGNATION OF THESE
PROPERTIES AS A BROWNFIELD AREA TO ASSIST IN THE ASSESSMENT
AND REMEDIATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT MAY EXIST ON
THE PROPERTY.
DETAILS OF THE DESIGNATION HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN A DOCUMENT
ENTITLED STAFF REPORT ON MADISON STREET PARK EXPANSION
PROPOSED BROWNFIELD AREA DESIGNATION, WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR
PUBLIC REVIEW IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING WHICH IS
SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 18 AT 10:30 A.M. OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS
POSSIBLE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PASS A
RESOLUTION DECLARING MADISON STREET PARK EXPANSION A
BROWNFIELD AREA.
STAFF AND I ARE AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
5:15:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY QUESTIONS?
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE ITEM?
HEARING NONE.
MOVE TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:16:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN SHE HAVE A MOMENT TO INTRODUCE HER TEAM?
5:16:10PM >>McLANE EVANS:
I WOULD LOVE THAT.
5:16:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COME ON UP, GUYS.
GET ON CAMERA.
5:16:20PM >> JOSH ELLIS IS THE HEAD OF THE TEAM.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM AND LET HIM TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT --
5:16:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JOSH, COME TO THE CENTER OF THE PODIUM.
THAT'S WHERE THE MICROPHONE IS.
5:16:31PM >> JOSH ELLIS, URBAN ENVIRONMENTAL COORDINATOR, CITY OF
TAMPA SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
HAPPY TO INTRODUCE MY STAFF.
5:16:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
STEP TO THE PODIUM.
5:16:41PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
ALEXIS BLACK, ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST 3 IN THE SOLID WASTE
DEPARTMENT.
NICE TO SEE YOU.
5:16:48PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS VICTOR GRESSEAU.
I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST 3 WITH THE SOLID WASTE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT.
USUALLY I'M JUST A TALKING HEAD.
5:16:58PM >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
I'M MELANIE FENTON.
I AM THE NEWEST ADDITION TO THE TEAM.
I AM AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST ONE.
5:17:05PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME.
5:17:08PM >> THANK YOU.
5:17:09PM >> AND THIS IS CLAIRE CRAVEN.
SHE IS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S LEGAL INTERN FOR SUMMER 2026,
JUST STARTED THIS WEEK.
SHE WILL BE WITH US ON TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS UNTIL AUGUST 7.
5:17:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU ALL LOOK LIKE YOU COULD BE RELATED.
5:17:22PM >> WE AREN'T.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO INTRODUCE EVERYONE.
5:17:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
5:17:29PM >>McLANE EVANS:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:17:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ALWAYS THIS EASY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.
WE ARE ON NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, NEW BUSINESS?
5:17:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SOMETHING I MENTIONED TO MR. PERRY THIS
MORNING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK -- HAGAR WAS GOING TO HELP ME WORK ON
THE WORDING BUT I FORGOT TO GET IT FROM HER.
MOTION TO ASK THE CFO'S OFFICE TO COME BACK TO US WITH A
PRESENTATION ON THE TOTAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IN THE CITY.
5:18:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT TO RETURN?
5:18:23PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HOW ABOUT JULY 30.
5:18:25PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF.
5:18:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR THE
FINANCIAL ANALYST TO WORK WITH THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
TO BRING A REPORT ON JULY 30 FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR
THE CITY OF TAMPA.
5:18:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THEY SAY THEY NEED MORE TIME -- I'LL TALK
TO THEM LATER -- THEY CAN COME BACK --
5:18:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:18:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
A COUPLE, IF I MAY.
I HAVE TO DO CLEANUP.
BRENDA McKENZIE WAS GOING TO BE COMING ON JUNE 4th IT
APPEARS FOR AN UPDATE ON THE SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP.
AND SHE IS UNABLE TO COME ON THAT DAY.
MOVE IT TO JUNE 18, IF I MAY.
5:19:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT, RIGHT?
JUNE 4th, IT'S A WRITTEN REPORT.
5:19:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
THEN YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE SHE WANTS THE WRITTEN.
THAT'S STRANGE.
OKAY.
THAT'S FINE.
LET'S DO JUNE 18 WRITTEN REPORT.
SHE REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE.
I'M FINE WITH THAT.
5:19:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM VIERA.
SECOND FROM MANISCALCO WHO MOVE THE WRITTEN REPORT TO JUNE
18.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:19:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALSO, I REQUESTED A DISCUSSION FOR WORKSHOP ON
JUNE 25 FOR 33647 TAMPA FIRE RESPONSE TIMES AND INDICATED I
WAS GOING TO MOVE DISCUSSION PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND
HOUSING TO ANOTHER TIME.
LET ME GO AHEAD AND MOTION TO REMOVE THAT BECAUSE I
NEGLECTED TO DO THAT.
5:20:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO REMOVE THE STAFF REPORT TO
PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:20:19PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED A MOTION FOR THAT, THAT
DATE, JUNE 25, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BOTH A
REPRESENTATIVE FROM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND LOCAL 754 HERE TO
HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
IF I MAY, JUST IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, THAT'S MY MOTION.
5:20:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES
FROM 754 AND THE TFR ON THE JUNE 25th MEETING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:20:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
MY NEXT ONE, I MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY, I CAN HAVE A WRITTEN
REPORT ON JUNE 18th ON THIS WHICH IS -- YOU KNOW WHAT.
STRIKE THAT.
I WAS GOING TO DO IT ON SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP AND
FUNDING.
I'LL MOVE THAT TO NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
HAVE THE LANGUAGE DOWN.
MAYBE SOME OF YOU HAD THIS DISCUSSION ON THE KIOSKS AND THE
CODE AND THE APPARENT CONFLICT THAT EXISTS BETWEEN THE CITY
CODE AND SOME CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO FOR SIGN
ACTIVATION.
THIS IS MY MOTION.
MOTION TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO PREPARE AND RETURN TO TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL -- STRIKE THAT -- ON JUNE 18, WITH A PROPOSED
TEXT AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-289.4 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE
OF ORDINANCES RELATING TO ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGNS TO
ALLOW LIMITED ACTIVATION MOVEMENT, INNOVATION OR SIMILAR
DYNAMIC DISPLAY FEATURES ON ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS WITHIN
THE PRESCRIBED DWELL TIME -- AND I'LL GO ON ON THIS -- OF 15
SECONDS UNDER DEFINED CIRCUMSTANCES IN ADDITION TO
CONSIDERING WHERE SUCH ACTIVATION COULD BE ALLOWED TO OCCUR
WITHIN THE CITY, THE PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT SHOULD FOCUS ON
SIGN TECHNOLOGY AND NOT FOCUS OR SEEK TO REGULATE THE
VIEWPOINT OR MESSAGE DISPLAYED.
AGAIN, CITY, IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2020 I
BELIEVE IT WAS WE HAD DEBATED SOME KIOSK PROGRAM HERE.
IT APPEARS THAT AS WELL AS OTHER POTENTIAL SIGN ACTIVATIONS
HAVE CONFLICTS WITH OUR CODE.
I'M TRYING TO BRING THE CODE INTO CONSISTENCY WITH THE
CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE.
THAT'S THE MOTION.
5:22:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
5:22:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
COUNCILMAN VIERA, FIRST OF ALL, A COUPLE OF
THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE DEADLINE FOR JUNE 18 TO GO THROUGH OnBase
IS TODAY.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
5:22:46PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN WE WAIVE THAT?
5:22:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU ARE ASKING FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO COME
BACK.
5:22:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
STRIKE THAT.
WELL TAKEN.
LET'S DO JULY 16.
5:23:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT WILL BE FINE.
IF THERE IS A CONCERN BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THEY'LL BRING
IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
5:23:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE CANNOT DO JUNE 18 PRESENTLY TODAY.
5:23:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT?
5:23:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE THAT COMING IN WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT.
5:23:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
TEXT AMENDMENT THAT HAS TO GO TO THE
PLANNING COMMISSION IF IT'S IN CHAPTER 27.
5:23:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT YOU TO KNOW TODAY IS MAY 28.
IT IS THE JUNE 4 SESSION THAT CLOSES ON FRIDAY.
EITHER WAY, IT IS KIND OF TIGHT FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT.
5:23:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW ABOUT I DO THIS, COUNCIL.
I'LL TALK TO LEGAL ABOUT IT.
MY MOTION IS FOR JUNE 18.
IF THERE IS ONE IOTA OF OBJECTION OR CHALLENGE WITH THE
TIME, I CAN MOVE IT TO JULY 16.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER MONTH AND DEALING WITH
ACTIVATION OF THE SIGNS.
JUNE 18th IS MY PROPOSED DATE.
IF THERE IS ANY CHALLENGE WHATSOEVER WITH THAT, YOU HAVE MY
WORD AS AN ATTORNEY --
[ LAUGHTER ]
-- AS A PROFESSIONAL, RIGHT, THAT I WILL GLADLY SEND A MEMO
ON THAT.
5:24:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA --
5:24:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT --
5:24:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
JULY 18 -- SORRY, JUNE 18 AND DISCUSSION.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I SAW YOUR MICROPHONE FIRST.
5:24:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK WE OUGHT TO WAIT UNTIL THE
CONVERSATION WE HAD THIS MORNING ARE COMPLETED.
I TOLD YOU THAT I'VE HEARD THAT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
LIGHTNING HAD BEEN STIRRING UP TROUBLE BEHIND THE SCENES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RELATED TO THAT.
THE LIGHTNING NEED TO GET CONTROL OF THEIR CONSULTANTS AND
LET THEM PLAY A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WITH THE REST OF THE
PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ALLOWING MOVING SIGNS, WHICH I
THINK YOU SAID, WE NEED TO DO IT IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY FOR
EVERYBODY AND IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THE
DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS HAVING.
IT SHOULDN'T BE SEPARATE BECAUSE CONSULTANT FOR THE
LIGHTNING IS UPSET THAT THEY LOST.
5:25:12PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT IS AN UNFAIR ACCUSATION.
THIS IS ABOUT THE KIOSK WHICH THE LIGHTNING HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH.
5:25:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE SAYING AND I HAVEN'T
TALKED TO THEM, BUT I HEAR WHISPERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHICH
IS REALLY FRUSTRATING.
LIKE I SAID, IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS, THE LIGHTNING SHOULD
COME HERE.
DON'T SEND YOUR CONSULTANTS OUT WHISPERING IN THE COMMUNITY
AND TRASH TALKING PEOPLE.
SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THEY ARE DOING, WELL, NOW THAT YOU MADE US
SHUT DOWN OURS BECAUSE IT WAS BEING RUN ILLEGALLY AND MAYBE
ALLOWED ILLEGALLY BASED ON WHAT I HEARD FROM FORMER STAFF,
THEN NOW WE'RE MAD BECAUSE SOME OTHER PEOPLE GET IT.
THERE IS GOING TO BE THIS TIT FOR TAT.
WHEN YOU STOP THE CHILDISH BEHAVIOR, STOP THE HIGH SCHOOL
GAME OUT THERE, THESE ARE SERIOUS --
5:25:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR
THIS MOTION.
5:26:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUMPING AHEAD WITH
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PART OF THE REGULAR PROCESS.
NO OFFENSE TO MY COLLEAGUE, BUT WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE
DISCUSSION THIS MORNING ABOUT WHAT THE POLICY SHOULD BE
OVERALL IN DOWNTOWN AND WHY ARE WE JUMPING AHEAD OF THAT.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION, AND THEN
LET'S JUST ADD THE MOTION PART OF IT IN IT.
I SHOWED THE EXAMPLE WITH THE CAT, SO OBVIOUSLY I'M IN FAVOR
OF THE MOTION IN SOME WAY, BUT LET'S HANDLE IT SYSTEMICALLY
INSTEAD OF A ONE-OFF THING.
5:26:35PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:26:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY QUESTION IS, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE IS
A SIGN -- THAT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SIGN COMPANIES.
THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THEY GOT UP THIS MORNING.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO THIS TO ME IMPACTS THAT AS WELL.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CAN COME FORWARD WITHOUT US
SOLVING THAT.
SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I'M ALSO UNCOMFORTABLE NOT JUST DOING IT ALL, BUT MY BIGGER
CONCERN IS I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE LAWYERS THAT'S NOT
OPENING UP THE CAN OF WORMS.
THAT IS HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT I AM MOST CONCERNED ABOUT.
BECAUSE IF WE ALLOW IT FOR THESE FOLKS, WE'LL HAVE TO ALLOW
IT FOR ANYONE WHO COMES THROUGH.
WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON.
5:27:27PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHENEVER I CAN RESPOND.
5:27:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO MY PIECE ON THAT IS THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT EXISTING, SOMETHING WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND
YOU SEE IT TODAY.
5:27:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT IT WAS APPROVED IN 2020 AND IT SHOULDN'T
HAVE BEEN.
5:27:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A COUNCIL NOW --
WHAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY WHEN YOU TRY TO RIGHT A WRONG, LEGAL
TERMINOLOGY.
5:27:54PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
LITERALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING THIS MORNING IS
TRYING TO SOLVE IT.
5:27:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE CAN DO THIS LITTLE BITE OF THE APPLE
WITHOUT HAVING TO -- THE BIGGER COMPREHENSIVE.
5:28:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CANNOT DO THAT?
5:28:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY NOT?
MR. SHELBY.
5:28:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A LAW WHEN YOU WANT TO
MAKE A LAW AND THEN NOT LET OTHER PEOPLE BE A PART OF THAT
LAW.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING TO US, SAYING WELL THEY
GOT TO DO IT.
I THINK WE'RE OPENING UP PANDORA'S BOX.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING THE CONVERSATION BUT I
WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE LAWYERS.
I WOULD PREFER THEM COME TO US FIRST AND TALK ABOUT IT AND
REASSURE US THAT THIS DOESN'T OPEN THE LEGAL CAN OF WORMS.
IF THAT HAPPENS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I WANT
TO HEAR FROM THE LAWYERS FIRST.
5:28:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. SHELBY.
5:28:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE, IT IS VERY, VERY,
VERY UNUSUAL, BUT IT'S HAPPENED RECENTLY WITH THIS COUNCIL
THAT DURING NEW BUSINESS, A MOTION WOULD BE MADE TO DO A
TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES.
PARTICULARLY WITH WHAT HAPPENED THIS MORNING, I WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING.
I'M SORRY I HAD TO INTERRUPT, BUT I DID.
BUT YOU DO HAVE A RULE THAT I HAVE EVERY GOOD REASON TO
BELIEVE THAT THIS MATTER IS LIKELY TO BE IN LITIGATION AT
SOME POINT UNLESS THE ATTORNEYS TELL US OTHERWISE.
AND COUNCIL HAS A RULE TO THAT EFFECT.
WE HAD THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT REPRESENTED HERE AND THEY DIDN'T
SHUT DOWN YOUR DISCUSSION.
YOU HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.
BUT I WOULD SAY WITH THAT ATTORNEY COMING ON BOARD WHO WILL
BE TALKING WITH THEM TOMORROW, IT WOULD BE MY STRONG
RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL NOT RUSH THIS AND GIVE THE
ATTORNEYS AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEST
ADVISE THIS CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE
ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN EVERYTHING THAT THIS CITY
COUNCIL DOES UNLESS YOU ARE APPRISED OF THEM.
5:30:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING, IF I HEARD COUNCILMAN VIERA CORRECTLY, THIS
IS APPLES AND ORANGES.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE LARGE SCALE DIGITAL SIGNAGE.
IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
5:30:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
SIR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT'S ALL
INTERRELATED.
AND I WOULD CAUTION COUNCIL -- I WENT UPSTAIRS, BY THE WAY,
TO TALK TO MR. STEADY AND HE WASN'T THERE.
I WISH THAT COUNCIL, ESPECIALLY AT THE END OF A MEETING
WHERE THIS WASN'T ON THE AGENDA TO SHOOT FROM THE PROVERBIAL
HIP.
5:30:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. SHELBY, VERY BRIEFLY, COULD YOU RECITE
WHAT THAT RULE IS?
IS IT FOR ONGOING LITIGATION THAT WE MAY NOT SPEAK ON IT?
5:30:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'LL GIVE YOU THE RULE PRECISELY.
COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID ANY DISCUSSION OF MATTERS AT A PUBLIC
MEETING WHERE THE CITY IS OR IS LIKELY TO BE A PARTY IN
LITIGATION WITHOUT CONCURRENCE OF COUNCIL.
5:31:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THE ISSUE IS LIKELY TO BE.
THEN ANY DISCUSSION, WE JUST DEDICATED AN HOUR THIS MORNING
TO DISCUSSION ON MATTERS WHERE IT CAN BE ARGUED COULD BE
LIKELY TO BE IN LITIGATION, THEREFORE I WOULD SUGGEST,
OFFERING IN THAT SAME TERRITORY, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING
THIS UP, THERE WERE A FEW ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE VERY
RELEVANT WHICH IS, NUMBER ONE, WE'RE NOT PASSING THIS LAW OR
THIS CODE CHANGE.
WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR POTENTIAL CONSIDERATION OF IT.
I COULD EVEN HAVE FEASIBILITY NUT THERE, NUMBER ONE.
I THINK NUMBER TWO, SOMETHING THAT CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN SAID
AND I SAID, THIS IS DEALING WITH EXISTING CITY CONTRACTS
THAT PEOPLE HAVE ENTERED INTO, RELIED UPON OUR WORK, RELIED
UPON THE DECISIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE MADE AND TRY TO
REMEDY THAT.
VERY NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE.
WHAT I CAN DO IS THIS, SINCE FOLKS HAVE CHALLENGES WITH IT,
HOW ABOUT I CHANGE MY MOTION TO THIS SO WE CAN MOVE THIS
THING FORWARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
I COULD MOTION FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON FEASIBILITY OF THIS ON
JUNE 18, FEASIBILITY OF THIS AND THEN BRING IT BACK THE NEXT
MEETING IF IT PASSES FEASIBILITY.
I CAN INQUIRE WITH CITY STAFF, WITH LEGAL.
WE'VE BEEN ADVISED BY COUNSEL AND WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF
THAT, IN THE MEANWHILE TO SEE IF THOSE CHALLENGES ARE A
STICKING POINT.
WHAT I CAN DO TO GET THIS THING MOVING IS TO CHANGE IT TO
FEASIBILITY AND THEN I CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN NEXT WEEK ONCE
I'VE TALKED TO COUNSEL.
5:32:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK MENTIONED THE
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.
I TALKED TO TWO OR THREE OF THE COMPANIES THAT ARE RELATED
TO THAT AND THEY DESCRIBED TO ME HOW THEY THOUGHT THOSE
KIOSKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE SETTLEMENT
AGREEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT A LAWYER AND I DON'T KNOW IF A JUDGE WILL ULTIMATELY
HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
IF SOMEBODY DECIDES -- OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL GIVE US
ADVICE AND WE'LL EITHER GET SUED OR NOT GET SUED I GUESS.
AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE PARTIES INVOLVED IN THIS.
IF IT'S NOT -- IF SOMEBODY DECIDES THAT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN
THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, THEN THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH
IT.
BY THE WAY, THE LAWYERS TO MY KNOWLEDGE VETTED THAT WHOLE
THING WHEN WE PASSED IT A FEW YEARS AGO.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, I'M OKAY WITH DISCUSSING IT.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS PUT IT NEXT TO ADJACENT TO THE
DISCUSSION OF WHENEVER THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP IS COMING
BACK.
WHY NOT HAVE IT ALL PART OF THE SAME DISCUSSION?
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE MOVING IMAGES AS LONG AS
THEY ARE NOT DISTRACTING DRIVERS.
5:33:59PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
5:34:01PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU SAID YOU WANTED A TEXT AMENDMENT.
YOU KNOW THAT TEXT AMENDMENTS CAN COME TWICE A YEAR.
THERE IS A JANUARY CYCLE AND A JULY CYCLE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THE JULY CYCLE.
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THEY
DON'T WANT ANY CHANGES -- ANY MORE CHANGES THAN TRULY
NECESSARY BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
CODE.
YOU MAY REALLY WANT TO TALK TO ABBYE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I
HAVE GOTTEN PUSH-BACK ANYTIME I TRIED TO BRING A TEXT
AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF THAT.
I'M WARNING YOU ON THAT ONE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO
ASK AGAIN.
I'M GOOD WITH YOU HAVING THEM COME FORWARD AND TELL US WHAT
WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.
5:34:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR PROPOSED --
5:34:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.
LET ME PUT THIS PROPERLY, WHICH IS MY AFOREMENTIONED MOTION
IS I WOULD TAKE THE MOTION, I'LL RESTATE IN ENTIRETY, BUT
THIS IS GOING TO HAVE CITY STAFF, CITY LEGAL COME TO US ON
JUNE 18 TO REPORT ON THE FEASIBILITY WITH THE CONCERNS THAT
OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY HAS RAISED WHICH I RESPECT AND WANT
TO BE RESPECTFUL OF, ON CITY STAFF PREPARING A PROPOSED TEXT
AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-289.4 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
ORDINANCES RELATING TO ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGNS TO ALLOW
LIMITED ACTIVATION, MOVEMENT ANIMATION OR SIMILAR DYNAMIC
DISPLAY FEATURES ON ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS.
I'M NOT GOING TO RESTATE THE WHOLE MOTION.
JUST THE SAME THING, WHICH IS FEASIBILITY OF THAT.
IT WOULD BE MY INTENT IF IT DOES PASS MUSTER TO BRING THIS
BACK IN JULY, WHICH IS THEN THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE CAN.
I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST MADE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT,
WELL TAKEN, BUT TO HAVE THE NEXT REPORT COME BACK IN JULY IF
IT PASSES MUSTER.
THAT IS THE BIG ISSUE.
5:35:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK?
5:36:02PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TODAY WHEN I SAW THE THREE GENTLEMEN
SITTING IN THE BACK NOT SAYING ONE WORD FOR A LONG PERIOD OF
TIME, I TOLD MYSELF WE HAVE A PROBLEM OR I HAVE A PROBLEM.
THEN I STARTED WINDING MY HEAD BACK TO 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO,
WHAT HAPPENED?
I KNOW IT TOOK ALMOST TWO YEARS TO GET THAT DEAL DONE.
I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.
1,000 OR 10,000 SIGNS, I FORGET WHAT THEY SAID, BUT THEY
GAVE IT UP.
THEN I REMEMBER THEM MENTIONING GAVE UP A LOT OF REVENUE TO
CHANGE TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WHAT IS HE TELLING US WITHOUT TELLING US?
HOW MUCH REVENUE DID THEY LOSE IS HOW MUCH REVENUE WE'RE
GOING TO GET SUED FOR.
THAT'S WHAT I TOOK OUT OF IT WHEN I GOT HOME AND I REALIZED,
OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS.
I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE OR NOT.
THAT'S UP TO THEM, BUT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
YOU GO IN, YOU CAN LOSE OR THE COURT SAYS I DON'T WANT TO
HEAR IT, I GUESS.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN LAWSUIT.
I SAT HERE VERY CALMLY AND LISTENED TO THEM.
THE VOICE THEY SPOKE IN VERY CALMLY, NOT RAISE THEIR VOICE,
SPOKE CALMLY.
THAT MEANS THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
YOU WHAT RAISE YOUR VOICE, YELL OR MAKE PEOPLE NERVOUS.
NO, THEY VERY CALMLY LAID IT DOWN.
THAT TELLS ME BEWARE OF YOUR WALLET.
IT MAY BE GOING AWAY.
5:37:32PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I FOUND THE CLEAR CHANNEL GUY TO BE A
LITTLE BIT OF -- HE DID NOT COME ACROSS WELL FOR ME.
HE LEFT A SOUR TASTE IN MY MOUTH.
5:37:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS THAT WE GAVE UP TEN
BILLBOARDS FOR ONE OF THESE.
AND I DON'T THINK HE SAID WHAT THE REVENUES WERE ON THE
OTHER NINE, BUT HE DID SAY ON THE ONE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED BILLBOARDS AND NOW
YOU HAVE TEN THAT YOU MIGHT BE FRUSTRATED.
OTHER PEOPLE GET TO COME IN AND BUILD WHAT THEY WANT.
I KNOW ONE OF THE -- I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF IT, BUT
I KNOW ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE APPLIED TO
THE LIGHTNING IS THEY CAN'T PROMOTE ANYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE
THAT FACILITY, LIKE AS I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GET
THE LAWYERS.
IF YOU HAVE A McDONALD'S AND YOU HAVE A SIGN AND YOU
PROMOTE COCA-COLA AND FRIES AND A HAMBURGER, THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU START PROMOTING A SNICKERS BAR AND YOU DON'T SELL A
SNICKERS BAR INSIDE, YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
THEN THERE IS A GRAY AREA, IF YOU DO SELL COCA-COLA, CAN YOU
SHOW IMAGES OF COCA-COLA IN CALIFORNIA AND EUROPE AND OTHER
PLACES OR CAN YOU JUST SHOW IT INSIDE?
THERE ARE SOME NUANCES OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WE NEED
TO THINK THROUGH.
THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, CHARLIE WAS HERE THEN, NOT US.
I THINK THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WAS TO STOP LAWSUITS.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE LAWSUITS AGAIN.
WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL.
MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE'S NO OFFICIAL REQUEST THAT I GOT.
MAYBE YOU HEARD THEM.
WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS IF YOU TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT WE
HAVE, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GIVE US SOMETHING ELSE
IN RETURN.
YOU CAN'T SUDDENLY GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE THE SAME RIGHT NOW
THAT WE SACRIFICED BY TAKING DOWN THE BILLBOARDS.
5:39:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T THINK IT WAS ONE FOR ONE.
I THINK IT WAS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
REPLACE TEN BILLBOARDS -- SQUARE FOOTAGE -- LIKE TEN SMALL
BILLBOARDS AND PUT UP ONE BIG ONE OR SOMETHING TO THAT
EFFECT.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:39:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
5:39:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
5:39:40PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE TWO MOTIONS AND THEN JUST SOME UPDATES.
MY FIRST MOTION IS I MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A
COMMENDATION ON JULY 30, 2026, TO CELEBRATE THE HIGH SCHOOL
AFRO ACADEMIC CULTURAL TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENTIFIC OLYMPICS,
ALSO KNOWN AS AACTSO, NATIONAL COMPETITION WINNERS.
I THINK THERE WERE 18 THAT WENT.
THAT'S MY MOTION.
5:40:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG,
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:40:14PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MY SECOND MOTION, I THINK THIS DATE WORKS, IF
NOT I HAVE A SECOND DATE.
MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT COMMENDATION ON JULY 16, 2026 TO
THE TOBA LEADERSHIP INSTITUTE CELEBRATING SEVEN GRADUATING
COHORT CLASSES SINCE 2020.
5:40:30PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
WE CAN DO THREE, RIGHT?
5:40:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE DAY WE WERE SUPPOSED
TO GET THE BUDGET.
5:40:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:40:55PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST SOME UPDATES BECAUSE WE'VE HAD VERY LONG MEETINGS SO I
HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO MY LITTLE SPIEL.
MY FAVORITE PART.
G 3 CHRISTMAS UNDER THE SUN AWARDS BANQUET, WHICH WAS VERY
NICE.
SKILLED CENTER.
7th UNITED BIKER MOTORCYCLE EVENT.
I DID NOT RIDE A MOTORCYCLE BUT I DID GET NICE PICTURES.
I WENT TO THE BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION WHICH WAS VERY
NICE.
THEY HAVE A WONDERFUL CHORUS.
THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME GOING TO A GRADUATION AND IT WASN'T
ME GRADUATING.
VERY COOL TO SEE ALL THE STUDENTS.
AT THE END WHEN THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN THE TASSELS AND YOU
CAN SEE HOW EXCITED ALL OF THE STUDENTS WERE.
I ALMOST GOT EMOTIONAL, BECAUSE I WAS THINKING I WOULD NEVER
BE IN THAT SPACE.
IT WAS VERY NICE.
I'M GOING TO MIDDLETON TOMORROW.
WENT TO THE MEMORIAL DAY SERVICE AT MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY.
I'M PRETTY SURE WE ALL SAW THE HOUSING PRESS CONFERENCE IN
EAST TAMPA.
SAW THE BEFORE-AND-AFTER PICTURES OF THE RENOVATED HOUSE.
IT'S REALLY NICE.
I HAD A NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEETING LAST
NIGHT, VERY NICE.
ALSO, MYSELF AND DARLENE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO YOUTH IN
DISTRICT FIVE.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STUDENTS HAVE BEEN TELLING US, WHAT
THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FOR THE SUMMER, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE
TO SEE AS POOL PARTIES.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO WATER BECAUSE
IT IS HOT.
BEING AT A POOL PARTY, EITHER LIKE A YOUTH -- A TEEN CLUB,
YOUTH PARTY AS WELL, AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE NEEDS
IDENTIFIED WAS TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE
CHILDREN THAT ARE EITHER IN TWO-PARENT HOMES AND BOTH
PARENTS ARE WORKING OR SINGLE-PARENT HOME AND THAT PARENT IS
WORKING.
SO THEY CANNOT GET TO THE PARK IF IT'S NOT WALKING DISTANCE.
THAT'S ALL.
SEE, THAT WASN'T BAD.
THANK YOU.
IT'S MY IDEA.
NOBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.
5:42:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, MA'AM.
5:42:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO UPCOMING STAFF REPORTS
ABOUT STATION 24.
ONE IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 4, 2026, WHICH IS A WRITTEN UPDATE
TO INCLUDE THE DATE FOR A GROUNDBREAKING.
THE OTHER IS AN IN-PERSON REPORT SCHEDULED FOR JULY 16,
2026, TO PRESENT THE GMP FOR STATION 24.
MS. KOPESKY HAS CONFIRMED THAT CHIEF TRIPP IS READY TO
PRESENT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION.
I MOVE TO CHANGE THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORT FOR JUNE 4 TO
IN-PERSON REPORT, AND THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN CLEARED AND TO
COMBINE THIS STAFF REPORT WITH THE ONE SCHEDULED FOR JULY
16, 2026, TO PRESENT THE GMP FOR FIRE STATION 24.
5:43:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOVING IT TO JULY IS THAT WHAT I HEARD?
5:43:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
WE ARE MOVING TO THE GMP PRESENTATION WHICH IS JULY 16th
TO JUNE 4, THEY WANT TO DO EARLY.
RIGHT NOW, I HAVE A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON STATUS OF
STATION 24 FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
I WANT TO MOVE THAT TO A STAFF REPORT WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE
GMP.
5:44:07PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FROM THE JUNE 4 ITEM
UNDER WRITTEN STAFF REPORTS, ITEM NUMBER 2, WE'RE GOING TO
MOVE THAT TO --
5:44:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TO IN-PERSON ON JUNE 4.
5:44:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IN-PERSON ON JUNE 4.
5:44:18PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THEN TO INCLUDE THE GMP CONVERSATION.
AFTER THIS MOTION IS PASSED, THEN I WILL TAKE THE 16th ONE
OFF.
I'VE GOT TWO MOTIONS HERE.
I HAVE TO DO ONE FIRST.
5:44:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
CLERK, YOU GOT THAT ONE?
5:44:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S ALL WRITTEN.
SHE WILL GET IT.
I MOVE TO REMOVE THE GMP PRESENTATION SCHEDULED FOR JULY 16
FROM THE CALENDAR.
5:44:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
5:44:49PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, A SECOND
FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:44:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY OFFICE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL FROM KELLY
AUSTIN, THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES WHICH READ, THE ATU
TRUSTEES HAVE ADVISED US THAT THEY WILL NOT BE MOVING
FORWARD WITH ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
THEY ARE INTERNALLY GOING TO EVALUATE THEIR PROCESS AND WILL
ADVISE US.
PLEASE ENSURE IT IS NOT SCHEDULED ON UPCOMING COUNCIL
MEETINGS.
I'M DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR THIS.
THIS IS NOT WHAT I LIKE TO HEAR, BUT THIS CAME FROM THE
DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES.
SO I FIGURE WE SHOULD RESPECT THAT.
THIS KIND OF BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE
ATU EMPLOYEES ARE THE ONES THAT REALLY, I THINK IT'S REALLY
EXCITING FOR THEM TO GET THE COMMENDATION.
FOR THE HEAVY HEART, I MOVE TO REMOVE ALL FUTURE ATU
EMPLOYEES OF THE MONTH AWARD FROM THE CALENDAR UNTIL THE ATU
TRUSTEES NOTIFY US OTHERWISE.
5:45:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
QUESTION ON THE MOTION.
5:45:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
IS THERE A SECOND?
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:45:55PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I STARTED THIS WHEN I WAS CHAIR IN 2019.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ASK, THINK OF SOMETHING TO HAVE?
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HOW LONG ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?
5:46:10PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE NO IDEA.
AFTER WE MAKE THIS MOTION, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TRY.
5:46:17PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YEAH, IT'S A SHAME.
5:46:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M HEARTBROKEN BY IT.
NOBODY REALLY TO TALK TO.
RIGHT NOW THE ATU TRUSTEES ARE IN CHICAGO, I BELIEVE.
SO THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THE CITY RUNS AND THEY HAVE A
TON OF OTHER UNIONS.
LIKE, I GET IT.
I'M DISAPPOINTED BY I GET IT.
5:46:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO SINGLE POINT THAT COVERS THAT SWATH OF
EMPLOYEES.
5:46:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I'LL MAKE MY FIFTH MOTION FOR TONIGHT AT THE
END IF I MAY ON THAT.
WE SHOULD CONTINUE THAT.
5:46:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
IF YOU HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT
YOU ON THAT.
5:46:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
REGRETFULLY, AYE.
5:46:59PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK ALL OF US ARE REGRETFULLY AYES THERE.
5:47:02PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IT?
5:47:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEP.
5:47:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE NOTHING.
BUT ANYBODY HAVE ANY BIRTHDAYS COMING UP?
YOU KNOW OF ANYONE?
NO.
I'M GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
5:47:19PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
5:47:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR MAYOR JANE CASTOR TO
PRESENT THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET ON JULY 23, 2026,
SPECIAL CALL SESSION PRIOR TO THE CRA REGULAR SESSION THAT
BEGINS AT 9:01 A.M.
5:47:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SHE WANTS TO DO IT BEFORE THE CRA.
5:47:43PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YEAH, I GUESS TIGHT FOR TIME.
5:47:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'D RATHER HAVE IT ON THE 30th.
I THINK COMBINING THE BUDGET CONVERSATION WITH THE CRA WITH
THE EVENING SESSION, WHICH IS THE REZONING NIGHT IS CRAZY.
5:48:00PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT'S ON CRA RIGHT NOW.
IF WE LOCK THE CRA DOWN.
5:48:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE CAN'T.
THAT'S WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET.
THAT'S THE BUDGET CONVERSATION.
JULY IS BUDGET.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION THIS YEAR.
5:48:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT SCHEDULED THERE YET.
5:48:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT SCHEDULED YET BUT THAT IS THE TIME
WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.
5:48:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THIS IS A PRESENTATION OF BUDGET.
YOU HAVE TWO MORE AND YOU HAVE THE FIRST READING OF THE
BUDGET.
5:48:34PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT IS THE PRESENTATION.
IT'S QUICK.
5:48:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S NOT QUICK.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
IT IS A LONG THING.
5:48:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT LIKE IT IS AN ALL DAY THING.
PROBABLY AN HOUR.
5:48:44PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
USUALLY, LAST YEAR, WE LIMITED THE NUMBER OF
ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TO THREE BECAUSE OF IT.
IT IS A LONG PERIOD.
IT TAKES A LONG TIME.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION THAN TO HAVE IT ON A
CRA DAY.
I THINK CRA, WE HAVE A LOT TO DISCUSS IN THE CRA, AND I
THINK IT GETS US STARTED LATE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE
GOING.
EVENING SESSION IS GOING TO BE CRAZY.
I THINK THAT IS A REALLY BAD IDEA FOR US AS A COUNCIL
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO END UP WORKING MORE THAN 12 HOURS.
I HATE BEING AT THE END OF AN EVENING SESSION AND NOT BEING
CLEAR HEADED.
THAT'S NOT FAIR.
5:49:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
MY SUGGESTION, MR. MIRANDA, WITH REGARD TO THE TWO PUBLIC
HEARINGS, THAT HAS PROBABLY NO DOUBT ALREADY BEEN VETTED
WITH THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO FORWARD WITH THOSE.
IF YOU COULD HOLD IT A WEEK, BUT I SHOULD SAY IF YOU DO A
SPECIAL CALL MEETING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTICED AS A
SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
YOU'D ALSO HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK BETWEEN IT IN ORDER TO
CHANGE THE CLERKS AND THE LIKE.
5:50:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE KNOW HOW TO DO THAT NOW, DON'T WE?
[ LAUGHTER ]
5:50:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY QUESTION IS, WHY CAN'T WE DO IT ON THE
30th?
NOTHING ON THE 30th?
5:50:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT HASN'T BEEN CLEARED WITH THE
ADMINISTRATION WHO WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION.
5:50:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF IT CAN'T BE THE 16th.
5:50:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL TAKE JULY 30 AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
5:50:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
FOR THE 23rd, IN CASE OF COUNCIL ACTING AS
CRA THINKS THERE'S TOO MUCH, I HAVE AN ITEM I CAN MOVE TO
THE FOLLOWING MONTH TO MAKE ROOM.
IF IT IS ON THE 30th AND THE MAYOR HAS A CONFLICT, AGAIN,
I'M GLAD TO MOVE SOMETHING ON THE 23rd TO CUT A LITTLE BIT
OF THAT TIME.
5:50:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WHATEVER YOU DECIDE IS FINE WITH ME.
5:50:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO HOLD IT UNTIL NEXT
THURSDAY?
STILL PLENTY OF TIME TO SCHEDULE IT.
CHECK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.
5:50:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW ABOUT WE GO WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S
SUGGESTION?
WE SCHEDULE IT FOR THE 30th.
IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, WE CAN COME BACK.
5:51:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S BETTER.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT OUR FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP IS THE
3rd OF AUGUST, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
WE ONLY HAD A WEEKEND TO LOOK AT IT.
5:51:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO SCHEDULE THE MAYOR TO
PRESENT THE FY '27 BUDGET ON JULY 30th AT 9 A.M., AFTER
COMMENDATIONS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:51:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NEXT ONE, MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE FIRST
PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET ON TUESDAY,
SEPTEMBER 8th, 2026 AT 5:01 P.M.
5:51:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND.
5:51:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT BLOCKED.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:52:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.
THIRD ONE, MAKE A MOTION TO SET THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IN
THE FISCAL YEAR BUDGET 2027 BUDGET FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER
22nd, 2026 AT 5:01 P.M.
5:52:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:52:18PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO
THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM IN CELEBRATION OF BEING NAMED ONE OF
USA TODAY'S 2026, TEN BEST AQUARIUMS IN THE COUNTRY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION ON JULY 16, REGULAR
SESSION.
5:52:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ACTUALLY, THAT WAS JULY 16.
WE JUST FILLED IT UP.
MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES IF WE DO THAT.
5:52:51PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE COULD DO THE 30th.
5:52:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF THEY SHOW UP, THEY SHOW UP.
[ LAUGHTER ]
5:53:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CAN BE THAT PERSON THAT COMES UP AND
ACCEPTS IN THEIR HONOR.
HEY, ROGER.
5:53:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
30th IS THE BUDGET PRESENTATION.
YOU JUST SET THAT, RIGHT?
5:53:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND PRESENTATION.
TEN MINUTES MAX.
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO PROVIDE A
COMMENDATION FOR THE AQUARIUM ON JULY 30th.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:53:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LAST ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION ON JULY 30th REGULAR SESSION TO
MR. DOUG TRENT, CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENT, FORMER EMPLOYEE OF
THE CITY OF TAMPA AND U.S. NAVY VETERAN WHO JUST RECENTLY
CELEBRATED HIS 99th BIRTHDAY AT FOREST HILLS.
5:53:49PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE GOT TO MEET HIM.
5:53:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE --
5:53:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HE'S LIKE DRIVING HIMSELF.
5:53:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S THREE -- THAT IS ONE PRESENTATION
AND TWO COMMENDATIONS.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
5:54:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AND THAT'S IT.
5:54:11PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I?
5:54:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. SHELBY, ABOUT THAT
RULE YOU QUOTED ABOUT LITIGATION.
AM I JUST BEING OUT THERE WHEN I SAID EVERY DANG THING WE
DISCUSS ON COUNCIL IS SUBJECT TO LITIGATION?
5:54:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I PREFER TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU
OFF LINE.
I COULD HAVE SWORN I HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
LITIGATION RELATIVE TO SIGNAGE TODAY.
5:54:36PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE GET THREATENED WITH LITIGATION ON
EVERYTHING WE DO.
5:54:39PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE RULE IS YOU NEED TO HAVE LEGAL PRESENT --
5:54:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S BOTH COUNSEL FRANKLY.
5:54:50PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
5:54:52PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ISN'T THAT THE RULE, MR. SHELBY, IT SHOULD BE
LEGAL CITY STAFF LEGAL.
5:54:59PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT WITHOUT THE
CONCURRENCE OF COUNSEL.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONCURRENCE OF COUNSEL, AND WE'VE
HEARD THIS BEFORE, THAT IF YOU ACT AGAINST THE ADVICE OF
YOUR ATTORNEYS, YOU MIGHT FIND YOURSELF IN A SITUATION THAT
YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE IN.
5:55:16PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE BACKGROUND ON
THAT WAS, HOW THAT RULE IS IMPLEMENTED?
5:55:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, BUT IT IS APPROACHING AN HOUR INTO THE
MEETING.
WHAT I WOULD DO, RATHER THAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION, WE'LL DO
IT OFF-LINE.
5:55:29PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WAS GOING TO DO IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF
EVERYBODY.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO KNOW.
COUNCILMAN VIERA.
5:55:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT WEEK, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN
ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, CORRECT?
5:55:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S ALWAYS ON THE SCHEDULE.
5:55:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MY MOTION IS THIS, IS TO HAVE CHIEF BENNETT OR
WHOEVER COMES TO DISCUSS WITH US HOW WE CAN UNTIL THINGS
WORK THEMSELVES OUT AT ATU, A MECHANISM FOR AN EMPLOYEE I
GUESS IT IS OF THE QUARTER, WHETHER -- I MEAN, MY IDEA WOULD
BE TO HAVE A -- TALK ABOUT IT, MAYBE WE GO DEPARTMENT BY
DEPARTMENT.
ONE MONTH THIS DEPARTMENT, THE OTHER MONTH -- BUT JUST TO
KEEP IT GOING.
5:56:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL A
RECOGNIZED BARGAINING UNIT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THE -- THE BARGAINING UNIT WOULD HAVE TO BLESS IT.
IT COULD NOT BE AN ATU AND CAN'T EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE
BARGAINING MEMBERS WITHOUT IT BEING NEGOTIATED.
I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS, AS WAS READ BY YOU, KELLY SAID THAT
WAS TRANSMITTED FROM THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BARGAINING
UNIT.
AND THAT KIND OF SHUTS EVERYTHING DOWN.
5:56:42PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS WOULDN'T BE UNDER ATU --
5:56:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT IT CAN'T EVEN BE THERE.
SO LABOR LAW, BECAUSE ATU IS THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE
THAT REPRESENTS ALL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, YOU HAVE TO -- YOU
CAN'T DO THINGS UNILATERALLY, MANAGEMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING
UNILATERALLY LIKE THAT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ATU.
5:57:04PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT I'LL JUST DO IS I WOULD ASK THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION -- I'LL CALL UP CHIEF BENNETT ON IT.
TO TALK ABOUT TO THE EXTENT THIS CAN BE DONE TO ADDRESS IT
NEXT WEEK.
IF IT CAN'T, TURN OUT THE LIGHTS, THE PARTY IS OVER.
5:57:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LABOR LAW.
5:57:23PM >>LUIS VIERA:
A LOT MORE THAN I DO.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SIR.
5:57:27PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
5:57:27PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE OF STORIES THAT HAVE APPEARED IN THE
AFTERNOON, I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A HEADS-UP SINCE I CAN'T
TALK TO YOU OUTSIDE OF THIS.
THIS MORNING I MADE A MOTION TO TAKE THE RAYS' ITEM OFF THE
AGENDA.
THEN REPORTERS CALLED ME AND ASKED ME MORE ABOUT WHAT I
SAID.
I WANT TO TELL YOU MY PERSPECTIVE WITHOUT THE REPORTS'
FILTER.
I THINK THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ENGAGEMENT BY
CITY COUNCIL.
THERE IS THE BRIEFING PASSIVE, ONE WAY DIRECTIONAL.
AND I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION OFFERED THAT TO ALL OF US.
I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY WHEN THEY OFFERED IT.
THAT'S WHERE THEY TELL US WHAT WAS HAPPENING.
THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT AS CITY COUNCIL, THIS IS
ADVOCACY 101, AS CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO GET
FOUR VOTES, SOMEBODY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION SIX MONTHS AGO
SHOULD HAVE ASKED EACH OF US WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO
VOTE YES FOR A DEAL.
YOU ALL CAN TELL ME NOW WHETHER YOU WERE OFFERED THAT OR
NOT.
I WAS NOT.
BUT WHEN WE GET -- WHEN THE PRESENTATION IS GIVEN TO US, WE
KNEW WHAT THE DEAL WAS, ESPECIALLY SIX DAYS BEFORE WE WERE
SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON IT.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT IF WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT IT, SOMEBODY
SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION.
I HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND HAD A LOT OF
DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RAYS.
THE RAYS WERE VERY GOOD ABOUT GOING BACK AND FORTH.
BUT SOMEBODY KEPT SAYING NO TO EVERYTHING I PROPOSED.
THE ADMINISTRATION NEVER REACHED OUT TO ME TO ASK ME WHAT
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THE DEAL OR WHAT CONCERNS WOULD YOU
HAVE.
MAYBE IN A SECOND IF YOU ALL WANT, YOU CAN SAY WHETHER THAT
HAPPENED OR NOT.
THE SECOND IS THE ONE THAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST, THE HUNDRED
MILLION DOLLARS WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF WHAT THEY WANTED US
TO APPROVE WAS FROM THE CRA.
THE CRA IS A SEPARATE ENTITY.
WE ARE THE BOARD OF THE CRA.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE LED THE NEGOTIATION OF IT.
AND I KNEW THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS NEGOTIATING, BUT I
NEVER EXPECTED THAT THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE THAT WITHOUT
GETTING CONSENT FROM THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE NEXT WEEK, TO MY RECOLLECTION,
WE NEVER VOTED TO SAY WE DESIGNATE THE CHIEF OF STAFF AS OUR
PERSON TO NEGOTIATE AND NEVER GAVE HIM FEEDBACK.
NOBODY ASKED US WHAT THE CRA BOARD MEMBERS WOULD WANT IN A
DEAL.
ANYWAY, THINK ABOUT THAT OR YOU GUYS CAN RESPOND TO IT.
I WANT TO SEPARATE A BRIEFING FROM ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CRA, WE'RE IN CHARGE, THE BUCK STOPS
WITH US.
IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE THE DEAL, IT IS HUNDRED PERCENT OUR
FAULT AND NOT THE MAYOR, EVEN THOUGH THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE
NEGOTIATED AND WE WEREN'T INVOLVED, AS FAR AS I KNOW.
WERE YOU ALL INVOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS?
NOT A BRIEFING, A NEGOTIATION.
YOU WERE INVOLVED, THERE WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT THAT
CAME THROUGH.
EVERYTHING I SUGGESTED TO THE RAYS WAS REJECTED.
6:00:11PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
6:00:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT YOU SAID IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH ME, TOO.
WE WEREN'T PART OF THE NEGOTIATION.
AND I DO THINK WHEN WE SIT DOWN AS A CRA, IT HAS TO BE PART
OF OUR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER HAVE AGREED TO A
HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF WHAT JUST
HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
BUT, NO, I WAS CALLED BY MEDIA TODAY, TOO, REGARDING
SOMETHING SIMILAR.
YEAH, I REALLY THINK THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, AND IT'S
REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION THOUGHT THAT THEY
COULD BARGAIN BASICALLY OR NEGOTIATE FOR THE CRA AND THAT'S
JUST SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MONEY.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DECISION THAT COMES OUT OF A CRA.
AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ANY
MORE, BUT IF THEY ARE, WE SHOULD BE AT THAT TABLE FOR IT.
6:01:09PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE, I WOULD CAUTION TAKING ONE CLIP FROM
THE NEWS MEDIA AS OFFICIAL POSITION OF AN ORGANIZATION,
ESPECIALLY ON SUCH A CONSEQUENTIAL DEAL.
I THINK THAT ONE QUOTE FROM KEN HAS BEEN GREATLY EXAGGERATED
OR TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.
BUT ON -- NO, I WAS NOT PART.
I KEPT MYSELF APPRISED OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS HAPPENING
BECAUSE I WAS MAKING THOSE PHONE CALLS.
I CALLED THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES.
I CALLED CITY STAFF.
OBVIOUSLY, I TOOK MY POSITION ON THE TSA SERIOUSLY AS WELL
AND, OF COURSE, BEING CHAIR, I FELT THERE WAS --
6:01:46PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT THE ADMINISTRATION NEVER ASKED YOU WHAT
WOULD YOU WANT TO BE IN A DEAL OR NOT IN A DEAL.
6:01:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WE DON'T NEGOTIATE THAT.
6:01:56PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK YOU HAVE TO BIFURCATE THE THING.
ONE IS THE COUNCIL'S POSITION.
WE'RE PART OF CITY GOVERNMENT AND THEN THE CRA THING.
I THINK YOUR POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN.
I WOULD GUESS THAT EVERYBODY IS KIND OF LIKE, OH, MAYBE A
LITTLE BIT OF REGRET ON THAT STANCE.
6:02:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED, YOU ALL MAY --
CHARLIE PROBABLY DOESN'T WATCH SOCIAL MEDIA.
PEOPLE WERE MAKING FUN OF CITY COUNCIL, HOW ARE YOU SO
STUPID YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL WAS.
WE CAN READ ABOUT IT IN THE PAPER BUT WE WEREN'T PART OF THE
NEGOTIATION.
6:02:28PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
ONE, I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THE NONBINDING MOU THAT WAS
REACHED DID SAY REFERENCE THE CRA PORTION OF IT.
IT WAS ONLY THE PORTION THAT WAS BEING DEVELOPED THAT WAS
GOING TO BE USED TO PAY BACK THE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
NOT THE GENERAL DREW PARK CRA.
SO THERE WAS DO NO HARM -- IN FACT, ONLY BENEFIT BECAUSE THE
DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE BLED INTO THE CRA WHICH WOULD HAVE
INCREASED THE TIF.
BUT NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THAT 120 ACRES WAS GOING TO BE PAYING
FOR THE $100 MILLION.
THAT WAS ONLY BEING PAID BACK BY THE PORTION THAT WAS BEING
DEVELOPED AND THAT MONEY WOULD NOT HAVE MATERIALIZED IF IT
WASN'T DEVELOPED.
AND THEY HAD A BACKSTOP ON THAT OF PAYING RENT IN LIEU OF
THAT PAYMENT.
SO IF THEY SAY THEY DIDN'T BUILD ON SCHEDULE, THEY WERE
BACKSTOPPING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL DISCUSSION THAT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN
TONIGHT.
I PROMISED EVERYBODY WE WOULD BE OUT IN 15 MINUTES.
POINT TAKEN ON THE CRA, THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THERE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
DISCUSSION.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, I GUESS WE COULD HAVE HAD A MEETING AND
ANOINTED SOMEBODY TO NEGOTIATE ON OUR BEHALF.
YOU CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITH SEVEN PEOPLE.
6:03:41PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES, YOU CAN.
THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION.
6:03:44PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I TALKED TO BONNIE WISE AND TALKED TO FIVE
OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
WHAT THEY DO IS SHE TALKS TO EACH ONE OF THEM AND THEN WHEN
SHE THINKS SHE HAS FOUR VOTES, SHE BRINGS SOMETHING BEFORE
THEM.
WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES, THEY DON'T CARE.
THEY'LL PUT THINGS IN FRONT OF US TO DARE US TO VOTE NO.
LIKE THE MAYOR SAID THE OTHER DAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYBODY
WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO VOTE AGAINST THIS.
IT SHOULDN'T BE A POLITICAL THING.
IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION OR A NEGOTIATION.
BUT THE CRA IS MORE LIKE THE COUNTY.
WE'RE NOT SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL.
THE CHARTER ALLOWS THE MAYOR TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS FOR THE
CITY BUT NOT THE CRA.
6:04:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOW WOULD YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING -- AGAIN,
FOR TOMORROW -- LET'S TAKE THE RAYS OUT OF IT.
WE HAVE ANOTHER THING THAT HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE
CRA.
HOW DOES THAT WORK MECHANICALLY?
EDUCATE ME.
6:04:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CEDRIC WAS NOT INVOLVED EITHER.
6:04:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS HE AUTHORIZED TO NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF --
6:04:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CRA.
HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.
WHAT IDEALLY WOULD HAPPEN, WHOEVER IS IN CEDRIC'S POSITION
SHOULD BE GOING TO EACH OF US.
THEY CAN'T COMPARE NOTES AND SHARE INFORMATION BUT THEY
SHOULD GO TO EACH OF US AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD WANT
AND NOT WANT IN A DEAL AND THEY TAKE IT BACK AND SEPARATELY
WE CAN TALK TO THE RAYS.
IF THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO APPOINT THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO
BE THE NEGOTIATOR, THEN THEY NEED TO COME TO US AND ASK OUR
PERMISSION TO DO IT.
6:05:08PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CEDRIC DOES NOT HAVE THE TIME TO NEGOTIATE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
6:05:13PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S NOT ON -- WE DON'T NEED TO TALK
ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE FINAL WORD.
6:05:19PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE FINAL WORD.
SOMEBODY ELSE -- LAST WORDS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS, THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE
DOING.
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE DOING.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY DIDN'T FACTUALLY SAY IT EXACTLY HOW WE
THOUGHT THEY WOULD SAY IT.
THEY LEAVE OUT 122 ACRES THAT'S WORTH OVER HALF A BILLION
DOLLARS, 500 MILLION.
LIKE IT'S NOT -- 55%, THEY ARE NOT, BECAUSE THAT LAND THAT
THEY ARE GETTING AND DIDN'T COUNT THE 50 MILLION THEY
RECEIVED FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT.
FROM TALLAHASSEE.
THEY GOT THAT 50 MILLION, THAT'S WHAT THE PAPER SAID.
WHEN YOU -- ALL THOSE THINGS, WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG?
I DON'T KNOW.
YOU'RE RIGHT, SAID 7-0, SHOULD HAVE PASSED 7-0.
I TOLD HER A WEEK BEFORE I WAS NOT GOING TO VOTE.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 6-0.
6:06:14PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNLESS THEY WERE RACING HORSES.
6:06:16PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEN 7-0.
6:06:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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