📝 City Council Meeting Transcript

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
MONDAY, AUGUST 10, 2026, 9:00 A.M.

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9:05:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP,
OUR SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
AND ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
9:05:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:05:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:05:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HERE.
9:05:57AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HERE.
9:05:58AM >> VIERA?
CARLSON?
9:05:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
9:06:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HERE.
9:06:02AM >>THE CLERK:
YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:06:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNFORTUNATELY, COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL NOT
BE HERE TODAY.
HE IS UNDER THE WEATHER AND NOT FEELING WELL.
HOPE YOU GET BETTER SOON, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
AS WE KNOW, THIS IS A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORKSHOP.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER AND MOBILITY.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH STORMWATER.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR. --
9:06:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
POINT OF ORDER.
SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT THE FIVE-POINT TYPE WE WERE GIVEN?
I THINK THE LACK OF RESPONSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON
GIVING US ACCESS TO THE BUDGET IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- THAT
OVERRIDES ALL THIS STUFF.
9:06:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MINE IS BROKEN.
9:06:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SURE.
I MEAN --
9:06:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO FIGHT TO GET THE
BUDGET.
THE ADMINISTRATION HOLDS IT BACK.
AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW US TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
DOESN'T ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
WE KNOW THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE OF THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT, USE CITY RESOURCES TO SPREAD FALSE AND MISLEADING
INFORMATION, WHICH IS ANOTHER WHOLE THING WE NEED TO LOOK
INTO.
BUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE HOLDING BACK THE BUDGET AND DON'T
WANT US TO LOOK AT IT JUST BEFORE THE VOTE IS APPALLING.
IT'S NOT THE WAY THE CHARTER IS WRITTEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO PUNITIVELY.
MAYBE WE NEED TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF

FLORIDA AND ASK FOR INTERVENTION.
THIS IS LIKE THE 8th TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED SINCE I'VE
BEEN ON COUNCIL.
IT'S PRETTY DISGUSTING.
9:07:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YEAH, AS I'VE BEEN IN NUMEROUS
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, INCLUDING THE MAYOR
CALLED ME YESTERDAY, I'VE SPOKEN WITH CHIEF OF STAFF, TALKED
WITH OUR CFO, SPOKEN WITH LEGAL STAFF, AS YOU KNOW, THIS HAS
BEEN A STRUGGLE -- THIS IS MY THIRD TIME ON COUNCIL.
BEEN A STRUGGLE ALL THREE TIMES TO GET THE PRINTED COPY.
I'VE EXPRESSED THIS CONCERN TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
I SAID THAT THERE IS -- THE ADMINISTRATION LIKE TO HOLD THE
CHARTER UP ABOUT STAYING IN YOUR LANE, CHARTER
RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHAT THE ROLE IS.
OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST RESPONSIBILITIES WE HAVE AS A
COUNCIL IS OUR DUTY AND FISCAL AUTHORITY AS -- FIDUCIARY
AUTHORITY AS COUNCIL TO PASS A BUDGET.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE BUDGET -- THE ADMINISTRATION IS
REQUIRED BY CHARTER TO SUBMIT TO COUNCIL A BUDGET EACH YEAR.
AND I'VE EXPRESSED MY OPINION THAT A PRESENTATION AND LINK
TO A WEBSITE IS NOT PRESENTING A BUDGET.
I KNOW WE'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL THOSE ISSUES WITH STAFF AND
WITH LEGAL.
I'M STILL -- I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE BOOK THAT WE GOT WITH
THE FONT SIZE IS MALICIOUS COMPLIANCE.

COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SHOWED ME HER BOOK IS BROKEN.
I THINK THAT IS PROBLEMATIC.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT THIS
AGAIN THIS MORNING.
HE'S ALREADY VERY AWARE OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.
AND I THINK HE'S AWARE HOW I FELT ABOUT THIS BEFORE I CAME
IN THIS MORNING.
WHEN WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, THIS IS PAGES OF QUESTIONS
THAT I HAVE ABOUT THIS.
I ALSO DISTRIBUTED A DOCUMENT I PREPARED PROPOSING SOMETHING
-- WORKSHOP.
NOT A BUSINESS MEETING.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:09:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IT'S MISSING PAGES, THE RESOLUTION.
EVERY OTHER PAGE IS MISSING.
WHILE WE'RE WORKING, IF YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE CAN PRINT US A
NEW COPY THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
9:09:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM, COULD YOU COME TO THE DAIS AND I WILL
INSTRUCT YOU ON HOW TO DO THAT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:09:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS YOU KNOW, THE CHARTER HAS NO JUDICIAL
BRANCH.
AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO REMEDY THIS, BUT THE CHARTER
REVIEW COMMISSION IGNORED IT PARTLY BECAUSE THE MAYOR SENT

SOMEBODY TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE IN THE MEETING, THE PROBLEM IS
THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A GREAT CITY
ATTORNEY NOW, THE CITY ATTORNEY ULTIMATELY REPORTS TO THE
MAYOR.
SO WE HAVE NO LEGAL RELIEF.
THE CITY ATTORNEY CANNOT FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE
ADMINISTRATION.
WE CANNOT FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION UNLESS
THE CITY ATTORNEY GOES ALONG WITH IT.
I'VE NOT ASKED THIS CITY ATTORNEY IF HE WOULD GO WITH US TO
FILE A LAWSUIT.
BUT I THINK OUR ONLY REMEDY IS TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
IF WE COLLECTIVELY WRITE A LETTER TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, I
THINK IT SHOULD BE BOTH ABOUT THIS PROJECT -- I MEAN, ABOUT
THE BUDGET ITSELF, BUT ALSO THE FALSE AND MISLEADING
INFORMATION AND THE POLITICAL ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN PUSHED
FORWARD ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, SCARING AND WHIPPING UP
NEIGHBORHOODS TO BELIEVE THAT A PROJECT IS GOING TO HELP
THEM WHEN IT IS NOT.
I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ASK US TO SEND A LETTER TO THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL DEPENDING ON WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE.
WE JUST CAN'T GET A JUDGE INVOLVED IN IT UNLESS WE FILE A
LAWSUIT.

9:10:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
I THINK THE THING I WAS MOSTLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT -- I'VE
TRIED TO BE A GOOD PARTNER IN THIS PROCESS.
AND I WAS -- WE'VE CLEARLY COMMUNICATED THIS ISSUE.
AGAIN, MALICIOUS COMPLIANCE IS THE ONLY THING I SEE.
WE HAVE -- OBVIOUSLY -- I'LL GO BACK.
THERE IS AN INHERENT TENSION BUILT IN IN OUR CHARTER BETWEEN
THE ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL.
THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING.
IT KEEPS US ALL FROM WALKING OFF THE CLIFF TOGETHER, RIGHT?
AS I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF BENNETT THIS MORNING, I
THINK THE DISAPPOINTING THIS IS WE DO HAVE TO DO THE
BUSINESS OF THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO HAVE THE
TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.
IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT DIFFICULT TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH A
DOCUMENT SO THAT THEY CAN DO, AGAIN, THEIR FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITY IN EVALUATING THE BUDGET FOR 2027.
I'LL SAY 2025, 2026 AND NOW 2027 BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE THREE
I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
THIS HAS PREDATED THIS MOMENT.
SAM WILL HAVE THE DOCUMENT.
AGAIN, I WANT TO SNIFF OUT THE SKUNK ON THIS.
I WANT TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF
INVESTIGATION TO FIND OUT HOW DID WE GET HERE BECAUSE IT
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE LIE TO ME.
I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE MISREPRESENT.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE ORIGINAL SIN
OCCURRED AND WHO IS THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS.
I THINK HAVING THAT INVESTIGATION WILL HELP AND MAYBE THE
SECOND STEP IS WHAT YOU REFERRED TO, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO
FIND OUT WHY.
HOW DID WE GET HERE?
WHY IS IT THAT THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR WE'VE HAD THE SAME
CONVERSATION, THAT WE CAN'T COME TO THIS ROOM AS ALL ADULTS
AND TREAT EVERYBODY LIKE AN ADULT, LIKE A BUSINESS PARTNER,
LIKE SOMEBODY THAT YOU TRUST AND SOMEBODY THAT YOU CAN
ACTUALLY WORK WITH.
9:12:45AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST THING, FILING A PUBLIC RECORDS
REQUEST DOESN'T WORK.
I'VE FILED PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND THEY REFUSE TO RESPOND
TO THEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, I PULLED PUBLIC RECORDS ON THE CONVERSATIONS
BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S POLITICAL STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORS IN
PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND ESTATES BECAUSE I HAVE
EVIDENCE FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT THE STAFFER SPREADING FALSE
AND MISLEADING INFORMATION AND POLITICAL INFORMATION AGAINST
CITY COUNCIL.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT IS THROUGH SUBPOENAS.
THAT'S WHY WE NEED A LEGAL AUTHORITY LIKE ATTORNEY GENERAL

TO FILE SUBPOENAS AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATION.
9:13:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BY CHARTER WE HAVE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY
TO LAUNCH AN INVESTIGATION.
THE DOCUMENT THAT MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE IS PRINTING, A
PROPOSAL I BROUGHT UP.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WE CAN'T DO BUSINESS.
I'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU GUYS SO AT LEAST YOU CAN SEE THE
DIRECTION I WAS LOOKING AT.
SO THE NEXT TIME WE COME TOGETHER AS A DELIBERATIVE
LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A BREAK THIS THURSDAY WE'LL HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME TIME TO DIGEST ALL OF THIS AND COME
TO IT CLEAR EYED AND CLEAR HEADED AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
AS SOON AS SAM IS DONE WITH THE DOCUMENT, I'LL REDISTRIBUTE
IT.
CHIEF BENNETT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?
CHARLIE?
9:13:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS SAID.
HOWEVER, TAKE THIS FROM POINT A TO POINT Z WITHOUT REALIZING
THE CHIEF OF STAFF IS HERE, HE MAY WANT TO SPEAK.
BEEN THERE FOUR, FIVE MINUTES LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION
AND NO ONE HAS ASKED HIM IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK.
9:14:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I JUST DID.

9:14:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T HEAR TOO WELL IN MY LEFT EAR.
I LOVE YOU.
9:14:23AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LOVE YOU, TOO, CHARLIE.
9:14:25AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
INSTEAD OF MAKING ACCUSATIONS, FIND OUT
WHAT IS GOING ON.
YOU GO FROM POINT A TO POINT Z WITH DOING NOTHING IN
BETWEEN, WHAT THE WORLD IS LIKE.
NONE OF US ARE PERFECT.
WE GO FROM THE AUDIENCE FROM DAY TO NIGHT FOR THEM TO TALK,
WE DO THIS, DO THAT, NO INVESTIGATION ON US.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID.
THE PRINTING, CAN I READ IT?
ABSOLUTELY NOT.
BUT DID I READ IT BECAUSE I HAVE ONE OF THE BIG THINGS AT
THE HOUSE AND I CAN LOOK AT IT AND IT BECOMES THAT BIG.
BUT I ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE THAT.
THEN YOU GO AROUND CRITICIZING THE ADMINISTRATION.
I'M NOT HERE TO FIGHT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.
I'M HERE TO SAY WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE THING.
WE'RE GREAT INDIVIDUALLY.
WE'RE NOT SO GREAT AS A UNIT.
THEM OR US.
I'LL GIVE YOU CLASSIC EXAMPLES THAT JUST CAME TO MY MIND.
I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER EITHER.

EVERYTHING IS UP HERE.
I REMEMBER SOMEBODY WANT TO GET RID OF THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
NOW THEY WANT TO USE THAT MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
HUH?
THIS KID IS NOT SPENDING NO CRA PAST THE LIMIT.
LET ME TELL YOU ANOTHER THING, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE
THERE WHEN I TOLD THE MAYOR, THIS CLOSE -- THIS CLOSE TO
FILING A LAWSUIT AND NOT ASKING ANYBODY FOR ANY HELP TO FIND
OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.
SOMEBODY NOT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
I HAVE A DEADLINE TO MEET.
THEY NEVER TOLD YOU THEY HAD A DEADLINE WHEN STARTED WITH
THE THING.
I WON'T MENTION NAMES.
DID ALREADY.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO IN THE HELL SAID PUBLIC FACILITIES IS A
STADIUM OR AN ARENA OR ANYTHING ELSE.
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT BELONG IN SPORTS.
GOVERNMENT BELONGS ONLY IN GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE'RE NOT ANY SPORT.
WE'RE NOT ANY BUSINESS.
WE ARE GOVERNMENT, AND WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF GOVERNMENT.
ANYBODY GOING TO SUE, SUE US.
FOR EVEN TALKING ABOUT GIVING MONEY AWAY THAT BELONGS TO

NOBODY BUT THE GOVERNMENT.
THE PEOPLE GIVING US THE MONEY ARE THE ONES GETTING SCREWED
OUT OF THIS DEAL.
I MAY EVEN RUN FOR MAYOR.
[ LAUGHTER ]
9:16:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BREAKING NEWS.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
9:16:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PROBLEM IS, I'M LIABLE TO WIN.
I'M NOT HERE TO CHASTISE THE ADMINISTRATION OR THIS COUNCIL.
I SAID IT THE OTHER DAY.
I'M A UNITER, NOT A DIVIDER.
UNTIL I SEE THERE'S NO POINT OF RETURN THEN I BECOME
SOMETHING ELSE.
MR. BENNETT, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
--
9:17:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
9:17:10AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN TALK ABOUT BASEBALL LATER.
9:17:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BASEBALL.
9:17:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY POSITION ON DOWNTOWN CRA IS MOVE HALF OF
IT, NO SLUM AND BLIGHT AND USE IT IN THE REST OF THE CITY.
USE IT ON INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE FLOODING AND OTHER THINGS.
SINCE THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING USING ALL THE CITY'S STORMWATER
MONEY ON ONE PROJECT THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK --
9:17:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
9:17:31AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE THING IS, I'VE NOT FOUND THE CHIEF OF

STAFF TO BE A RELIABLE WITNESS.
HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS.
BUT I DON'T FIND HIM TO BE TRUTHFUL MOST OF THE TIME, WHICH
IS WHY I DON'T HAVE MEETINGS WITH HIM AND I DON'T HAVE
BRIEFINGS WITH HIM.
HE CAN SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS.
BUT THE ADMINISTRATION ALSO BRIEFS STAFF, BECAUSE STAFF HAD
TOLD ME, TO MISLEAD CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
ULTIMATELY, THEY ARE NOT SCREWING OVER THE CITY COUNCIL,
THEY ARE MANIPULATING THE PUBLIC BY GIVING THEM FALSE AND
MISLEADING INFORMATION.
THIS NEEDS TO STOP.
WE HAVE LIKE NINE MONTHS LEFT.
WE NEED TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS ANYMORE.
I THINK THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN AND
STOP THIS ADMINISTRATION FROM LYING TO THE PUBLIC.
9:18:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
CHIEF BENNETT.
9:18:11AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
I'LL GET BACK TO DELIVERING THE BUDGET TO COUNCIL.
FIRST OF ALL, NO EXCUSES THERE.
IF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE THERE WAS A LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THIS
BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT THAT WASN'T MET, THEN WE NEED TO DO THE
BEST WE CAN TO FIX THAT.

I HAVE T AND I WORKING ON THE INTERFACE.
I WORK WITH THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER IN REVENUE AND
FINANCE ON A DAILY BASIS.
IF WE UNDERDEPLOYED THE BUDGET AND THERE IS A PERCEPTION OF
THAT TO COUNCIL, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT WITH
COUNCIL TO GET IT THERE.
EVERY OTHER MONDAY I CELEBRATE THE TWO BRANCHES OF
GOVERNMENT TO OUR BRAND-NEW EMPLOYEES AND MAKE SURE THEY
UNDERSTAND HOW WE WORK TOGETHER.
AGAIN, IF I HAVE TO SHOULDER THIS RESPONSIBILITY, I'M HAPPY
TO DO SO.
I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH COUNCIL, THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE
IT RIGHT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE HERE.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE ARE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT RELIABILITY
CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND ANYBODY ELSE.
9:19:11AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'VE HAD IT MANY TIMES WITH YOU.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NEVER CHANGED.
THE FACT THAT YOU ALL KEEP PUSHING THIS PROJECT AND
MISLEADING -- YOU'RE SENDING YOUR STAFF AND THEN MISLEAD THE
PUBLIC AND MAKE PEOPLE IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND
ESTATES CRY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO HELP STOP
THEIR HOUSES FROM FLOODING, IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.
AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND TRY TO GET THEM TO BLAME ME AND

SAY THAT I'M AGAINST PROTECTING THEM, WHEN I'VE MET WITH
ENGINEERS ALL AROUND THE WORLD, AND WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING
SHOULD BE ILLEGAL.
BUT IT IS NOT THE RIGHT ENGINEERING SOLUTION.
I CAN SHOW YOU IN FIVE MINUTES HOW TO FIX IT.
BUT YOU WON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING FOR SOME REASON.
AND INSTEAD YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE STANDING UP, WHIPPING THEM UP
TO SPREAD MISINFORMATION.
IT'S REALLY DISGUSTING.
WE CAN FIX THAT PROBLEM BETTER AND FASTER, CHEAPER, AND THEN
ALSO HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER FOR THE REST OF THE CITY.
BUT YOU ALL KEEP PUSHING THIS PROJECT FOR SOME REASON.
AND YOU KEEP MISLEADING THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE ANOTHER PROPAGANDA EVENT TOMORROW
NIGHT, I THINK IT IS, JUST LIKE THE LAST PROPAGANDA EVENT
YOU HAD, AND I'M GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL
TO HAVE POLITICAL EVENTS RUN BY THE CITY.
IF YOU WANT TO GET THE NEIGHBORS TO DO IT, FINE, EXCEPT
YOU'VE ALREADY MISLED THEM BY GIVING THEM FALSE INFORMATION.
9:20:11AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
I ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR COMMENTS.
I'M HAPPY TO STAND HERE AND SHOULDER THEM.
9:20:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
9:20:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PEOPLE IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND
ESTATES DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE
IN THE CITY DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED AND INSTEAD YOU'RE

RIPPING THEM OFF.
9:20:23AM >>JOHN BENNETT:
STILL STANDING HERE.
9:20:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ALL THAT OFF OUR
CHEST AND WE FEEL BETTER NOW, RIGHT?
LET'S GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS AT HAND.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS MEETING.
SO WE CAN'T DEAL WITH THE STUFF WE JUST TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS ABOUT STORMWATER AND MOBILITY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:20:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, BEFORE WE START
THIS, THAT THIS WEEKEND WE SAT DOWN TO PREPARE FOR THIS.
I SAT DOWN.
I COULDN'T FIND -- I ASKED MS. KOPESKY TO FIND, I ASKED
MS. SCHARF MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO FIND AND WE COULDN'T FIND
THE QUARTERLY STORMWATER CAPITAL REPORT THAT USED TO BE
GENERATED.
THE LAST ONE THAT'S AVAILABLE, SEPTEMBER OF 2025.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.
THAT REPORT, I ALWAYS SAID WAS ONE OF THE BEST REPORTS THAT
CAME OUT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
IT WAS TRULY A WONDER.
IT'S LIKE 60 PAGES, BUT I WAS GOING TO BITE THE BULLET AND
PRINT IT OUT AND HAVE IT READY TO GO.
I NORMALLY DON'T.
I NORMALLY LOOK AT IT ON PDF.

I THOUGHT, WOW THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO FIGURE OUT
WHERE WE ARE, WHAT ARE AREAS, RIGHT UP TO THE MINUTE.
WELL, COME TO FIND OUT, IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW.
I'D LIKE AN ANSWER FOR THAT FIRST BEFORE WE GO ANYWHERE.
WHY CAN'T I HAVE -- WHY CAN'T WE HAVE ACCESS TO THIS REPORT
WHICH IS -- I MEAN, YOU KNEW THIS WORKSHOP WAS COMING, ALSO,
THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONCERNED
ABOUT.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE A QUARTERLY STORMWATER REPORT?
9:22:11AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT QUARTERLY REPORT WAS
INTENDED TO BE ROLLED INTO A DEPARTMENTWIDE QUARTERLY
REPORT.
THAT'S IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW.
IN THE MEANTIME, THAT QUARTERLY REPORT, STORMWATER CAPITAL
REPORT WAS SUSPENDED.
WE CAN GET YOU AN UPDATED ONE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE RECONSTITUTION AND CONSOLIDATION OF OUR
VARIOUS REPORTS ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT, THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT
NOW.
THAT WAS NOT UPDATED FROM THE FALL.
THAT IS A MISS ON MY PART.
I APOLOGIZE.
9:22:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BY WHAT DATE CAN WE RECEIVED AN UNDERREPORT?

9:22:52AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SYSTEMS DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING INTERNALLY ABOUT HOW TO PRESENT THE
STATUS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE DASHBOARD FOR STORMWATER OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE COMPLETED WORK ORDERS.
WE HAVE ACTIVE WORK ORDERS.
ALSO, YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE CIP DASHBOARD FOR LISTING
ALL THE CIP PROJECTS.
IT'S A MATTER OF REPRODUCTION OF THE CIP DASHBOARD TO BE
ABLE TO CREATE THE QUARTERLY REPORT AS WE PREVIOUSLY DID.
IF COUNCIL TO HAVE THE COMBINED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS
IN THE REPORT FORMAT, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY ARE EXACT SAME CONTENT IN THE DASHBOARD
THAT WE ARE POSTING ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
9:23:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I APPRECIATE THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT GETTING IS ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN ONE
SMALL CAPTURE, WHICH WAS THE BEAUTY OF THE REPORT.
IT HAD A REALLY CLEAR SYSTEM FOR WHERE YOU WERE.
IT HAD A LITTLE, JUST A QUICK LITTLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT WHAT
WAS HAPPENING IN THE VERY BOTTOM.
IT HAD FUNDING.
IT WAS A REALLY EASILY DIGESTIBLE THING FOR BOTH COUNCIL AND
THE PUBLIC.
SO UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT YOUR NEW REPORT, WE WOULD STILL LIKE

TO HAVE THE OLD QUARTERLY REPORT AS IT EXISTED UNTIL
SOMETHING NEW IS AGREED UPON.
MY QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO UPDATE
IT AND MAKE IT MORE USEFUL.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BY WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE THAT
UPDATED QUARTERLY REPORT?
9:24:43AM >>YUAN LI:
WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THE SEPTEMBER REPORT.
NORMALLY WE DO MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER, AND DECEMBER.
WE DO EACH QUARTER.
AND ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE QUARTERLY REPORT USED TO
INCLUDE BOTH OPERATIONS AND THE MAINTENANCE AND THE CAPITAL.
NOW IT IS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN -- MONTHLY
REPORT UNDERNEATH THE MOBILITY.
THAT IS -- WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL.
WE ARE RESUMING THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS REPORTS
STARTING SEPTEMBER IF OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL.
9:25:18AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE HAVE TO APPROVE
THE BUDGET BEFOREHAND.
9:25:23AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE'LL GET YOU AN UPDATED QUARTERLY
REPORT BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN CHECK IN BY THE
END OF THIS WEEK.
9:25:30AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- END OF NEXT WEEK, WE DO NOT HAVE A COUNCIL
MEETING THIS WEEK, SO THE END OF NEXT WEEK WE WILL HAVE A
CRA MEETING.
BUT AN UPDATE WOULD BE LOVELY AT THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK

AND IDEALLY TO RECEIVE THAT REPORT.
AND THEN ALSO, WHEN THAT REPORT IS GENERATED, WHERE CAN THE
PUBLIC THEN FIND IT?
9:25:52AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE'LL PUT IT IN THAT SAME PLACE HOLDER
ON THE WEBSITE THAT THE PREVIOUS REPORTS, OF COURSE, WE'LL
PROACTIVELY SEND THAT TO YOU.
I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO OFFER THAT MOST OF THAT
INFORMATION THAT IS SORT OF IN THAT SUCCINCT DOCUMENT IS
WITHIN TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
SO THE INFORMATION, OF COURSE, IS AVAILABLE, BUT WE WILL
MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PASSAGED IN THE WAY --
9:26:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I DID LOOK THROUGH IT.
THE INFORMATION IS HERE BUT IT'S NOT AGAIN KIND OF ALL
TOGETHER, SUSTAINED.
WE DON'T HAVE -- THE PARAGRAPH DEFINITION WAS REALLY THE
MEAT AND CRUX OF WHAT MADE IT USEFUL TO KNOW WHERE WE WERE,
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, OH, HEY, WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH THIS
OR WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WHERE YOU ALL DO DEAL WITH IT
DAY TO DAY BUT WE DO NOT.
GETTING THE VERBAL OR THE WRITTEN UPDATE, JUST A FEW
SENTENCES IS VERY BENEFICIAL TO BOTH US AND THE PUBLIC
BECAUSE WE DON'T LIVE IT EVERY DAY.
SOME OF OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO.

BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT.
9:26:54AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK.
9:26:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AGAIN, FOR ALL THE STAFF THAT'S LISTENING
THAT'S COMING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR
27, 28, 29, 30, 31, FOREVER THE FUTURE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE
MISSED THIS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID REALLY SHOULD RING
WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR
YOU ALL TO PROVIDE THIS COUNCIL -- THERE ARE SEVEN OF US.
WE HAVE ONE LEGISLATIVE PERSON AND WE HAVE A BUDGET ANALYST.
WE ARE DEALING WITH A MILLION OTHER THINGS BESIDES THIS
THING.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUDGET KNEE-DEEP FOR MONTHS,
RIGHT?
PREPARING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
YOU'VE GOT AN ENTIRE FLOOR FULL OF ACCOUNTING AND BUDGET
TYPE OF STAFF.
EACH DIVISION HAS THEIR OWN PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS.
YOU GUYS ARE IN IT.
YOU LIVE IT.
YOU HAVE TO BRIEF US ONE TIME A YEAR.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT EASILY DIGESTIBLE INFORMATION THAT WE
CAN EVALUATE THIS, IT'S $2 BILLION.
THERE'S SEVEN OF US.
$2 BILLION.

FOR US TO BE ABLE TO AGAIN FULFILL OUR CHARTER FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITY, I IMPLORE YOU TO SPOON FEED IT TO US SO THAT
WE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION.
POINTING TO A WEBSITE OR POINTING TO SOMETHING OR POINTING
TO POINT 6 FONT DOCUMENT AND SAYING THE INFORMATION IS THERE
IS JUST NOT A -- POINT 4 FONT, WHATEVER IT WAS -- IS JUST
NOT SUFFICIENT FOR US TO REALLY FULFILL OUR FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITY.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S DIFFICULT.
AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THERE IS AN INHERENT TENSION BETWEEN THE
ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL BUILT IN, AND THAT'S NOT A BAD
THING, SO WE DON'T WALK OFF THE CLIFF TOGETHER.
IT IS YOUR-ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO COME TO US WITH
INFORMATION THAT WE CAN EASILY DIGEST, EASILY ABSORB AND
EASILY EVALUATE.
MAKING US WORK FOR IT DEFINITELY, AS YOU CAN TELL, WITH THE
START OF THIS WORKSHOP AND THE START OF LAST WORKSHOP,
MAKING US WORK FOR IT DOESN'T MAKE A REALLY GREAT
ENVIRONMENT TO LAUNCH OFF FROM.
IT SETS US OFF IN A BAD WAY.
PLEASE DO BETTER, EVERYBODY.
PLEASE DO BETTER.
BRAD.
OKAY.
FINALLY.

TAG, YOU ARE IT.
9:29:06AM >> THIRD TIME IS A CHARM STEPPING UP HERE.
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.
THAT IS OUTSTANDING REPORT THAT WE'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS.
WE WILL GET YOU IN THAT FORMAT AND ALL OF COUNCIL BY THE END
OF NEXT WEEK.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT'S NEEDED BEFORE THE UPCOMING VOTES, RIGHT?
MR. CHAIR, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET
PRESENTATION FOR STORMWATER AND THEN FOLLOWING
TRANSPORTATION.
WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS FOR BRANDON CAMPBELL TO GIVE THE
STORMWATER PRESENTATION, THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR THE
DEPARTMENT, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY HAGAR, AND THEN DO Q & A ON
STORMWATER AND THEN FOLLOW THAT UP BY A DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET
PRESENTATION FOR TRANSPORTATION WITH ADAM PURCELL.
AND THEN FOLLOWING THE SAME FORMAT, HAGAR WOULD FOLLOW WITH
HER TRANSPORTATION PIECES OF THAT, WHICH GET INTO MORE
DETAIL ON THE FINANCIALS, AND THEN Q & A ON TRANSPORTATION,
IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO CITY COUNCIL.
9:30:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:30:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY ONLY QUESTION FOR CHAIR AND FOR COUNCIL,
WHERE WILL THE PUBLIC HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK?
9:30:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I SUSPECT WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO ISSUES

TODAY.
I KNOW BY OUR RULES THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE
COMPLETION OF THE AGENDA.
I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEFINITELY SEPARATE THE ISSUES.
SO WE TREAT THESE AS TWO SEPARATE DISTINCT ISSUES.
AS I SAID, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK BECAUSE WE HAVE ONGOING PROJECTS,
YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK-BACK, BUT THIS IS ABOUT
'27.
9:31:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
RESPECTFULLY THEN, I WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW
PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON BOTH STORMWATER AND TRANSPORTATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR PEOPLE TO HOLD THE STORMWATER IN
THEIR HEAD WHILE HEARING TRANSPORTATION.
9:31:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT A MOTION?
9:31:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON BOTH
STORMWATER AND TRANSPORTATION.
9:31:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
TO WAIVE THE RULES TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ONE OF
THE TWO SEGMENTS.
FIRST ON STORMWATER, SECOND ON TRANSPORTATION.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE COMPLETION OF STORMWATER
AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE COMPLETION OF TRANSPORTATION.
BRANDON, I AM ASSUMING YOU DREW THE SHORT STRAW.
9:31:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, ONE PROCEDURAL THING.
BRANDON OR WHOMEVER, CAN YOU TELL THE PUBLIC WHERE THEY CAN
GET THE DOCUMENTS?
I KNOW WE KNOW WHERE TO GET SOME OF THEM BUT WHERE CAN THE
PUBLIC GET THE DOCUMENTS?
IS THERE SOMEWHERE ON THE CITY WEBSITE THAT THIS FIVE-POINT
DOCUMENT EXISTS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS?
9:32:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE BUDGET NOT IN THAT FORM, I DON'T
BELIEVE -- PDF BEEN UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE OR IS IT JUST IN
THE OPEN GOV?
9:32:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING ALONG SO THEY
KNOW WHERE TO GO.
9:32:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THERE IS A LANDING PAGE RIGHT ON
THE CITY OF TAMPA WEBSITE.
IF THEY GO TO THE TAMPA CITY GOV WEBSITE --
9:32:36AM >>BILL CARLSON:
OR GOOGLE TAMPA BUDGET.
CAN YOU TELL THEM WHERE TO GET THESE?
9:32:40AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE PRESENTATION DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE
IN FRONT OF YOU AND THAT I PLAN TO PRESENT RIGHT NOW ARE NOT
CURRENTLY UPLOADED, BUT WE CAN WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE

TO SEE IF THOSE CAN BE UPLOADED TO OnBase OR PRESENT THEM
IN ANOTHER FORMAT AS NEEDED.
THESE WERE JUST FINALIZED THIS MORNING.
9:32:58AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK OnBase WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE
THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE USUALLY LOOK.
WE SHOULD PUT THEM UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
9:33:05AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SURE.
9:33:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MR. CAMPBELL, TAG, YOU ARE IT.
9:33:08AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
GOOD MORNING AGAIN COUNCIL.
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
YOU DO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU A PRINTED COPY OF THE
PRESENTATION THAT WE UPLOADED WITH CTTV THIS MORNING JUST
BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.
WE'LL HAVE THAT COME UP ON THE SCREEN.
IF CTTV CAN BRING IT.
OF COURSE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW ALONG ON YOUR PAPER COPY
AS WELL.
I WANTED TO JUST GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR STORMWATER
PROGRAM, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE FISCAL '27 BUDGET
THAT YOU ALL ARE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING.
AM I ABLE TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES FROM HERE?
OKAY.
PERFECT.
SO, WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT PRIMARILY TO START OUT WITH
HOW OUR STORMWATER PROGRAM IS PRIMARILY FUNDED.

OF COURSE, THIS CAME IN FRONT OF YOU ALL FOR THE ROLL
ADOPTION LAST THURSDAY.
YOU ASKED US ALL TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH TODAY
ABOUT OUR TWO STORMWATER RELATED ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE
COLLECTED, ONE CITYWIDE, ONE SOUTH OF FOWLER.
THE FIRST IS THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT.
IT IS AN ANNUAL NON-AD VALOREM OR NOT BASED ON PROPERTY
VALUE ASSESSMENT EXCLUSIVELY USED FOR OPERATIONS AND
MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING STORMWATER SYSTEM.
THAT INCLUDES VARIOUS ACTIVITIES LIKE STREET SWEEPING, POND
MAINTENANCE, PIPELINE CLEANING, AND THE LIKE.
YOU'VE GOT THAT WHOLE LIST THERE.
IT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2003.
YOU'VE HAD VARIOUS TOUCH POINTS BETWEEN 2003 AND NOW
INCLUDING AN INCREASE AT SOME POINT IN THE HISTORY.
BUT EACH YEAR THAT COMES IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE ADOPTION OF
THE ROLL, WHICH MEANS WE SEND THAT OVER TO THE COUNTY'S
COLLECTOR'S OFFICE TO DOCUMENT THOSE CHANGES FROM ONE FISCAL
YEAR TO THE NEXT SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE A COMPLETE COLLECTION
OF THE FUNDS DUE UNDER THAT ASSESSMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, ALSO A NON-AD
VALOREM ASSESSMENT THAT IS FUNDING OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND
THOSE, AS I MENTIONED, ARE COLLECTED IN THE AREA SOUTH OF
FOWLER BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR GREATEST NEED FOR CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.

THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE CAPACITY INCREASES, NEW PONDS,
DITCHES, BAFFLE BOXES, AND AGAIN, THE LIKE.
WE HAVE A LIST THERE ON THE SLIDE FOR YOUR REVIEW AND
DOCUMENTATION.
THAT ASSESSMENT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2016.
SO WE ARE AT ABOUT THE TEN-YEAR MARK OF THAT COLLECTION OF
THAT ASSESSMENT.
IN TERMS OF OUR REQUIREMENTS AND OUR COMMITMENTS ON OUR
OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ACTIVITY, WE HAVE A REGULATED
SYSTEM UNDER AN MS 4 PERMIT THAT IS THE MUNICIPAL SEPARATE
STORM SEWER SYSTEM PERMIT THAT IS WITHIN THE NATIONAL
POLLUTANT DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM PROGRAM, NPDES.
THAT OBLIGATES US TO THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT YOU SEE IN THAT
MIDDLE COLUMN.
OUR DITCHES, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO INSPECT IN A DETAILED
INSPECTION AND MAINTAIN ON A TEN-YEAR CYCLE.
WE HAVE A TARGETED SERVICE LEVEL OF SEVEN YEARS FOR THAT.
THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS WORTH NOTING BECAUSE IT IS
DIFFERENT.
WE HAVE COMMITTED TO A TARGET THAT IS A HIGHER SERVICE LEVEL
THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED UNDER OUR PERMIT.
OF COURSE, DEPENDING ON THE ASSET BEING MAINTAINED, THAT
CYCLE -- THAT REQUIREMENT IS ON A DIFFERENT CYCLE, AND IT
DEPENDS REALLY ON WHAT THE ANTICIPATED MAINTENANCE NEED OR
TURNAROUND TIME IS FOR A PARTICULAR ASSET CLASS.

ALSO NOTABLY THAT IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN OUR REGULATION AND
OUR COMMITMENT, AT THE VERY BOTTOM, OUR STREET SWEEPING
CYCLE IS A 60-DAY CYCLE.
OUR METRICS THAT WE PUT OUT ON OUR OPEN GOV PLATFORM, THEY
MAY BE DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE TRENDS
OF OUR MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES DOCUMENTED OVER THE LAST
SEVERAL YEARS.
WE HAVE INCREASED OUR PIPES MAIN MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTED.
YOU CAN SEE WE ARE ON TARGET WHICH IS GREATER THAN OR EQUAL
TO 6.25 MILES ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
WE NOTABLY SPIKED ON THAT IN THE EARLY 2025 TIME FRAME AS
THAT REALLY COINCIDED WITH A LOT OF OUR CAVE-IN REACTIVE
MAINTENANCE NEEDS AS DOCUMENTED IN THAT MIDDLE GRAPH.
THOSE THINGS, OF COURSE, WERE INTENSIFIED IN THE AFTERMATH
OF HURRICANES HELENE AND MILTON IN THE FALL OF 2024.
SO THEY REQUIRED A MORE INTENSE FOCUS ON CERTAIN ACTIVITIES.
OUR DITCH MILES MAINTAINED AND INSPECTED, OVER THE LIFE OF
THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE ARE ON TARGET FOR THAT METRIC.
YOU CAN SEE IT SORT OF EBBS AND FLOWS FROM MONTH TO MONTH.
ADDITIONAL METRICS THAT WE DOCUMENT AND PUT OUT ON OUR OPEN
GOV PLATFORM INCLUDE THE STORMWATER INLETS INSPECTED BY
MONTH.
OUR TARGET FOR THAT IS 320.
WE ARE WELL ABOVE THAT.
AGAIN, LOOKING AT THAT TREND LINE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT HAS

BEEN A MORE FOCUSED EFFORT ON OUR PART OVER THE LAST FIVE
YEARS OR SO.
THE MIDDLE GRAPH IS NOT VERY EXCITING, I WILL SAY, BECAUSE
IT IS STEADY.
OUR MOWING MAINTENANCE CYCLE IS 28 DAYS.
THE REQUIREMENT IS 30 OR OUR TARGET IS 30.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT GOES THROUGH AND MOWS ALL OF THOSE
AREAS UNDER CONTRACT ON A 28-DAY CYCLE.
AND THEN THE LAST METRIC THAT'S SHOWN IS PRESENTED IN A
LITTLE DIFFERENT FORMAT IN THAT THE DASH LINE THAT YOU CAN
SEE IS OUR BASE LINE.
THAT'S OUR TARGET.
IF THE BLUE GRAPH LINE IS BELOW, THEN WE ARE NOT MEETING THE
METRIC.
IF THE BLUE GRAPH LINE IS ABOVE, THEN WE ARE ON TARGET.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT IS A LITTLE BIT OBSCURED BY OUR TEXT BOX
THERE, BUT WE HAVE REMAINED ON TARGET FOR OVER A YEAR, BUT
THERE WAS A DIP IN THE LATE 2024, EARLY 2025 AS AGAIN WE HAD
TO SHIFT OUR FOCUS ON SOME OF OUR REACTIVE NEEDS BASED ON
THAT HURRICANE SEASON.
THIS TABLE ABOUT OUR NUMBER OF CALLS ON A MONTH-TO-MONTH
BASIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE PRESENTED TO YOU MANY DIFFERENT
TIMES AS WE HAD A ROUTINE OF UPDATING YOU ON OUR MONTHLY
STORMWATER MAINTENANCE REPORT.
AND THE THING THAT REALLY STICKS OUT TO ME, IT'S A LOT OF

NUMBERS, BUT THE THING THAT STICKS OUT TO ME IS THERE IS A
PRETTY CLOSE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE
GET AND THE AMOUNT OF RAINFALL THAT HAPPENS TO OCCUR IN THAT
PARTICULAR MONTH.
IT'S NOT A HUGE REVELATION.
IT'S TO BE EXPECTED WHEN WE HAVE A LOT MORE RAINFALL, PEOPLE
NOTICE THE WAY THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IS OPERATING AND THE
PARTICULAR MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT ARE WITHIN THEIR VIEW
DURING THOSE EVENTS.
NOTABLY, WE GENERALLY AVERAGE BETWEEN 100 AND 200 CALLS ON A
MONTH-TO-MONTH BASIS DURING OUR DRIER SEASONS.
WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN IN DROUGHT RECENTLY.
BUT WE PEAKED IN THAT LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL TIME FRAME OF
2024, AND IT'S SIX TO SEVEN HUNDRED CALLS PER MONTH.
THAT REFLECTS NOT ONLY THOSE TWO HURRICANES THAT WE TEND TO
FOCUS ON AND KEEP COMING BACK TO IN CONVERSATION, BUT IT
REFLECTS THE FACT THAT 2024 WAS A RECORD FOR RAINFALL EVEN
ABSENT THOSE TWO PARTICULAR HURRICANES.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE, I LIKE IT
BECAUSE IT SHOWS A PRETTY COLORFUL SCATTER PLOT OF ALL OF
THE DIFFERENT SERVICE REQUESTS AND WORK ORDERS THAT WE HAVE
RESPONDED TO.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS CONCENTRATED REALLY EVERYWHERE
ACROSS THE CITY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NEW TAMPA, WHICH IS
WHERE WE HAVE GENERALLY A MODERN STORMWATER SYSTEM.

AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT CAPITAL ASSESSMENT, THE CAPACITY
NEEDS AND THE STORMWATER LIMITATIONS, SYSTEM LIMITATIONS
TEND TO EXIST FROM FOWLER AVENUE SOUTH THROUGHOUT THE REST
OF THE CITY.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THIS, BUT,
AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE PRODUCTION LEVELS THAT I USED TO
COME IN AND HIGHLIGHT WITH YOU ALL ON A MONTHLY BASIS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR ACTIVITIES ARE VARIOUS AND OUR
QUANTITIES ARE HIGH.
AND DEPENDING ON WHICH MEASURE YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU CAN
SORT OF SEE WHERE OUR FOCUS AREA HAS BEEN.
IT IS, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE DITCHES MAINTAINED, ONE OF
OUR HIGHEST METRICS ON THIS IS THE LINEAR FEET OF DITCHES
THAT HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED.
THAT'S BEEN A PARTICULAR FOCUS AREA THIS YEAR.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE DOUBLED OUR PRODUCTION ON THAT FRONT FROM
LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR.
SOME OF THAT IS CONTRACT AVAILABILITY.
SOME OF THAT IS EQUIPMENT AVAILABILITY.
BUT WE HAVE MADE SURE TO PUT SOME ADDITIONAL FOCUS ON THAT
THIS YEAR.
IN TERMS OF OUR PROGRESS ON CAPITAL PROJECTS, I'VE MENTIONED
TO YOU, AS HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES, MENTIONED TO YOU OUR
CITYWIDE STORMWATER PLANS.
SOMETIMES WE REFER TO THAT AS OUR WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.

THAT IS THE PLANNING EFFORT THAT LOOKS AT INDIVIDUAL
STORMWATER BASINS AND MAKES HIGH-LEVEL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO CONSIDER DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE AT ABOUT 50% COMPLETE ON THAT PLAN PRODUCTION.
WE HAD FOUR PROJECTS THAT HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION IN
THIS FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING THE LOWER PENINSULA, FLOODING
RELIEF PROJECT.
OF COURSE, THAT INCLUDES THE MacDILL 48 PARK AND ABOUT
8,000 FEET OF BOX CULVERTS AND PIPES AND THEN OUTFALLS NEAR
BAYSHORE AND AVERILL.
THE 43rd STREET DITCH REHABILITATION PROJECT WAS COMPLETED
AS WELL.
THE GRADY AVENUE DITCH REHAB PROJECT AND MABEL NORTH OF
HENRY, THOSE PROJECTS, ALL, AGAIN, WERE COMPLETED IN FISCAL
'26.
WE HAVE THREE THAT ARE ONGOING IN CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING
THE TAIL END OF OUR SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT.
THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE.
WE DO HAVE SOME REMAINING WORK ITEMS BEFORE THAT IS CLOSED
OUT.
OUR MANHATTAN FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT, THIS IS PROBABLY OUR
MOST VISIBLE, ONGOING CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
THAT IS INSTALLING A NEW BOX CULVERT BETWEEN VASCONIA AND
OBISPO.
AND THEN OUR CITYWIDE CURED IN PLACE PIPE REHABILITATION

PROJECT, WHICH GOES THROUGH PIPES THAT ARE IN NEED OF --
MIGHT OTHERWISE BE REPLACED, DUG UP AND TRENCHED OUT.
BUT THEN LINES THOSE WITH A PROCESS THAT ACTUALLY CURES IN
PLACE A SEALED PIPE WITHIN THE PIPE.
OVER THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'VE COMPLETED FOUR DESIGNS.
OUR FOREST HILLS PARK PUMP STATION PROJECT, 17th AND
ANNONA, CLARK AND FAIR OAKS, AND WOODMERE AND LOIS.
THREE OTHER PROJECTS REACHED PHASED SUBMITTAL OR DESIGN
MILESTONES, INCLUDING OUR STORMWATER PUMP STATION RESILIENCY
AND RELIABILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
I KNOW THAT'S ONE WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IN HERE ON SEVERAL
DIFFERENT OCCASIONS AND WILL INSTALL PERMANENT GENERATORS AT
OUR PUMP STATIONS.
THAT'S AT 90%.
AGAIN, WE'RE ANTICIPATING COMPLETION AROUND THE START OF
NEXT YEAR'S HURRICANE SEASON.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE RENTAL GENERATORS TO FILL THAT NEED
ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.
GOLF VIEW ESTATES FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT HIT A 90% DESIGN
MILESTONE.
AND, OF COURSE, AS HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT, THE SOUTH HOWARD
FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT IS AT A 60% DESIGN COMPLETION.
WE DO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT THAT GOES
OVER THE DETAILS OF THAT 60% DESIGN.
GOING BACK TO OUR STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, I

MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN I WAS SPEAKING ABOUT OUR CAPITAL
ASSESSMENT, THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2016.
THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DATED.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S FROM SEPTEMBER 1st OF 2016.
IN THE PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL OR YOUR PREDECESSORS, TALKING
ABOUT WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO WITH THE MONEY COLLECTED UNDER
THAT CAPITAL ASSESSMENT.
WE LISTED FIVE REGIONAL PROJECTS WITH THAT INITIAL
PRESENTATION.
THAT INCLUDES THE UPPER PENINSULA FLOODING RELIEF THAT TOOK
A CATCHMENT AREA AROUND DALE MABRY AND HENDERSON AND THEN
OUTFALLS IT, I THINK IT'S ESTRELLA, OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF
THE PENINSULA.
OUR NORTH TAMPA CLOSED BASIN FLOODING PROJECT WHICH WAS
REALLY A SERIES OF PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS AND POND EXPANSION,
SMALLER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE REMAINING REGIONAL PROJECTS,
BUT IMPORTANT NONETHELESS.
OUR CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL EXTENSION PROJECT THAT WAS
COMPLETED A FEW YEARS AGO.
SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS FLOODING RELIEF I ALREADY
MENTIONED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL
REMAINING WORK TO BE DONE.
THE LOWER PENINSULA FLOODING RELIEF, AGAIN, I ALSO MENTIONED
THAT WITH THE MacDILL 48, 8,000 FEET OF PIPE AS WELL.
AND THEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH ARE

SMALL SCALE PROJECTS THAT HAPPEN ALL OVER THE CITY.
SO, HOW THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED
AROUND THE CITY, I MENTIONED WE HAD THOSE FIVE REGIONAL
PROJECTS THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED IN 2016.
WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE A SIXTH REGIONAL PROJECT.
ONE IS RELATED IN SOME WAYS TO OUR UPPER PENINSULA PROJECT,
WHICH IS THAT MANHATTAN AVENUE PROJECT THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT
NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN ADDITION TO THOSE REGIONAL PROJECTS,
WE'VE HAD SMALLER SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE PROJECTS ALL
OVER THE CITY.
AGAIN, SOUTH OF FOWLER AVENUE WHERE THAT CAPITAL ASSESSMENT
MONEY IS INTENDED TO BE SPENT.
WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONGOING SMALL SCALE PROJECTS THAT
ARE BASICALLY TASK ORDER BASED.
THE CURED IN PLACE PIPING PROJECTS, OUR DITCH
REHABILITATION, BOX CULVERT REHABILITATION, AND THEN AGAIN
OUR IN-HOUSE MICROPROJECTS THAT OUR TEAM ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY
COMPLETES AS OPPOSED TO HIRING A CONTRACTOR TO DO.
AGAIN, IT IS WORTH DISCUSSING AS WELL, AS WE TALK ABOUT
FUNDING, GOING BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE, IT WAS ABOUT A $250
MILLION PROJECT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN 2016.
IN ADDITION TO THAT PLAN, WE'VE RECEIVED $70 MILLION IN
GRANTS ON OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.
THOSE, YOU CAN SEE, WERE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS NINE DIFFERENT

PROJECTS.
THEY WERE FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT GRANTING AGENCIES,
INCLUDING FDEM, FDEP AND S.W.F.W.M.D.
AND AGAIN, I THINK IT TELLS A GOOD STORY THAT OUR CAPITAL
PROJECTS ARE NOT ONLY VETTED BUT WELL RECEIVED BY THOSE
GRANTING AGENCIES AND SEEN AS VALUABLE PROJECTS.
9:50:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON, CAN YOU STOP THERE?
OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE STUFF, HIGHLIGHTING
NOW, BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE WITH ME ON THIS ONE
PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THE $70 MILLION IN GRANTS TO DATE, YOU'VE COMPILED A LONG
LIST OF PROJECTS.
DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN ON THE GRANTS, WHAT PROJECT THEY
WERE FOR AND WHERE IT CAME FROM?
9:50:43AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SO I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN ON
PARTICULAR AMOUNTS FOR EACH OF THOSE NINE PROJECTS WITH ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT DENNIS -- WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU
AFTER.
9:50:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
9:50:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BEST IF YOU JUST
FINISH.
I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD WAIT.
9:51:06AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE GRANTING WAS --
9:51:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS BIG DEALS.

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL WAIT.
9:51:12AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD, BRANDON.
9:51:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, BRANDON, ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOK,
THE PAGES -- WHEN YOU LOOK AT OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF
DITCHES, PONDS, PIPES, OUTFALLS, PUMPS AND STREET SWEEPING
IT WOULD BEHOOVE ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY MILES OF
DITCHES WE HAVE IN THE CITY, HOW MANY PONDS WE HAVE, THE
PIPES PROGRAM THAT WAS STARTED, WHAT IT COSTS NOW VERSUS
WHEN IT STARTED.
THE PUBLIC IS NOT AWARE OF THIS RIGHT NOW AND SOME OF US MAY
NOT BE.
THE PUMPS HOW MANY, THE STREET SWEEPING, HOW MANY MILES.
I THINK WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHERE THE MONEY
COMES FROM, WHERE IT GOES AND WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE MONEY.
MY FEELING IS, MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS, I REALLY NEED TO
SEE THAT IN MILES, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
WHEN THESE THINGS STARTED TO NOW, BEEN ADDRESSED AND
CHANGED.
ON THE COST.
THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS, SHOULD UNDERSTAND THIS AND WE
SHOULD GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THIS IS FINE, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.
9:52:10AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
UNDERSTOOD.
I WILL ADD, I HAVE STAFF --
9:52:16AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[INAUDIBLE]

9:52:19AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
SURE.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
WE CAN DO THAT AT Q & A, IF YOU PREFER.
9:52:24AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL GO WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S
SUGGESTION OF STICKING WITH THE RULES.
FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE
CONVERSATION.
9:52:31AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
UNDERSTOOD.
THANK YOU.
BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, OUR CURRENT STORMWATER CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS, SO THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT I THINK MAYBE SPEAKS
MOST DIRECTLY TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S EARLIER COMMENTS
ABOUT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT QUARTERLY UPDATE.
OF COURSE, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT NARRATIVE THAT YOU HAD
ASKED ABOUT ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.
WE WILL GET THAT -- AS I SAID, WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU WITHIN
THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, POTENTIALLY BY THE END OF THIS WEEK AND
OUTLINE THE STATUS AND SCOPE OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
BUT A GOOD SNAPSHOT OF OUR OVERALL CAPITAL PROJECTS LIST IS
SHOWN HERE.
THE SORT OF -- I'M NOT SURE THAT THE COLORS ACTUALLY COME
OUT AS CLEARLY ON THE SCREEN, BUT SOME OF THOSE LIGHT
COLORED ITEMS ARE THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
AND THEN THE DARKEST COLOR ARE IN PROCUREMENT OR
CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE CAN -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THEM ON
A LINE-BY-LINE BASIS UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS IN THE Q & A.
I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU.
IN TERMS OF OUR PROPOSED OPERATING BUDGET AND SOME OF THIS
MAY BE SPOKEN TO LATER TODAY AS HAGAR COMES UP, BUT I DID
WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, YOU MAY NOTICE THAT BETWEEN THE CURRENT
FISCAL YEAR'S OPERATING BUDGET AND NEXT FISCAL YEAR'S
OPERATING BUDGET, THERE IS A BIT OF A CONTRACTION, BUT AS WE
BREAK THAT DOWN BY CATEGORY, YOU CAN SEE THAT PRIMARILY THAT
COMES BETWEEN -- THAT COMES WITHIN THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT
LINE ITEM.
SO AS PROPOSED THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, PENDING ANY ADJUSTMENTS
AT THE OUTSET OR THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE FISCAL YEAR,
THAT LINE ITEM HAS BEEN REDUCED.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE OTHER LINE ITEMS, INCLUDING OUR
PERSONNEL DOLLARS, OF COURSE, THE DEBT, AND THE OPERATING
DOLLARS, REMAIN, FOR THE MOST PART, LEVEL.
I MENTIONED OUR WHOLE SUITE OF CAPITAL PROJECTS.
THIS IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL '27 TO
FISCAL '31.
THESE ARE OUR MORE ROUTINE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE SORT OF
PREDICTING THE INCOME AND DISTRIBUTION OVER THE NEXT FIVE
YEARS.
OF COURSE, THAT IS SUBJECT TO YOUR APPROVAL EACH YEAR.
AND THEY ARE THE MORE GENERIC ALLOCATIONS TO THOSE

TASK-BASED EFFORTS THAT WE DO ON ANY GIVEN LINE ITEM.
YOU CAN SEE THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL '27 IS ABOUT
$7.7 MILLION.
9:55:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BEFORE YOU GO ON, I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT
CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT COST ALLOCATION STORMWATER IS?
9:55:27AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I'LL DO MY BEST.
MIKE CAN PROBABLY DO IT BETTER JUSTICE THAN ME.
SO THE COST ALLOCATION IS THE COST THAT IS INCURRED BY THE
CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF OUR CAPITAL
PROJECTS THAT WE PUT FORTH.
THEIR FUNDING SOURCE IS THAT COST ALLOCATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE OTHER DETAILS THAT EITHER OF YOU
WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ON THAT, BUT THAT'S, GENERALLY SPEAKING,
WHERE THAT IS DISTRIBUTED.
9:56:02AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
GOOD MORNING, MIKE PERRY.
D-CFO.
BRANDON IS CORRECT PARTIALLY.
WHAT THE CITY DOES ANNUALLY IS CONTRACT WITH A PROFESSIONAL
OUTSIDE FIRM TO GO OUT AND DETERMINE HOW THE GENERAL FUND
EXPENSES ARE GOING TO BE ALLOCATED TO THE CITY.
WE'RE ALWAYS TWO YEARS BEHIND.
IN FACT, CITY COUNCIL, YOUR PAYROLL, YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES
ARE ALLOCATED PART OF THE COST ALLOCATION, REVENUE, FINANCE,
PURCHASING, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
ALL THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THAT 625 -- $625,000.

WE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS CONTRACT ADMIN.
SO CONTRACT ADMIN IS ONLY ALLOCATED TO THOSE FUNDS THAT HAVE
CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THEM.
AGAIN, WE DO THAT ON AN OUTSIDE FIRM SO NOBODY CAN SAY WE'RE
CHEATING, WE'RE MOVING THE -- [INAUDIBLE]
9:57:06AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
JUST SORT OF WRAPPING THIS UP, JUST TO BRING SOME HIGHLIGHTS
OF WHAT OUR FISCAL '27 PROPOSED BUDGET IS FOR THE STORMWATER
PROGRAM, OF COURSE, I WON'T READ EVERY LINE ON THIS, BUT WE
DO HAVE A PROJECTED REVENUE OF $40.5 MILLION.
THAT INCLUDES A $4 MILLION GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY TO THE
STORMWATER PROGRAM.
$21.2 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET, AND THEN THAT BOTTOM LINE
THERE THAT SAYS $28.7 MILLION IS REALLY THE TOTAL OF THE
PREVIOUS SLIDE.
SO, I DON'T THINK THAT ANY STORMWATER DISCUSSION IS COMPLETE
WITHOUT AT LEAST TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT
WE AS A DEPARTMENT AND AS OUR TWO STORMWATER RELATED
DIVISIONS FACE.
AS YOU KNOW, AND AS HOPEFULLY BECOMES APPARENT AS WE TALK
THROUGH THESE THINGS, WE HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE,
PARTICULARLY IN THAT AREA FROM FOWLER SOUTH.
OUR DRAINAGE CAPACITY WAS NOT BUILT TO OUR CURRENT
CONDITIONS IN MANY OF THOSE AREAS.

OF COURSE, WE HAVE EXTREME WEATHER.
WE TALK ABOUT IT EVERY TIME WE GET IN FRONT OF A CAMERA,
COMMUNITY GROUP, OR STAKEHOLDER GATHERING.
IF IT RAINS HARD ENOUGH, LONG ENOUGH, ANY SYSTEM CAN BE
OVERWHELMED.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO OFFER THAT CAVEAT.
COST INCREASES, TO YOUR POINT, HAVE IMPACTED HOW FAR WE CAN
STRETCH OUR DOLLARS.
AND THEN I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT WE DO
ANTICIPATE REGULATORY CHANGES WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR
NEXT MS 4 PERMIT.
SO SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU SAW IN THE MIDDLE
COLUMN OF THAT EARLY SLIDE MAY BE TIGHTENED, SO WE'LL HAVE
TO RESPOND TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS THEY ARE IMPLEMENTED.
NEXT STEPS, OF COURSE, WE ARE PLANNING THE PLAN, WORKING THE
PLAN.
OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT LIST WILL CONTINUE TO BE
POPULATED BY THE RESULTS OF THAT WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.
WE'LL WORK, OF COURSE, WITH KAYLA AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ON
COASTAL RESILIENCY NEEDS AND OPPORTUNITIES, AND THEN WE HAVE
AMPED UP OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST
YEAR AND A HALF.
WE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND AS NEEDED, WE COULD REPEAT THOSE.
WE HAVE AN ONGOING EFFORT TO REVISIT AND UPDATE OUR

TECHNICAL STANDARDS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, OUR STAFF ALSO WORKS CLOSELY WITH OUR
PARTNER DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH
MANAGEMENT ON IMPLEMENTING OR HOLDING DEVELOPERS TO OUR
EXISTING REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT SAID, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE IS FOR TRANSPORTATION,
WHICH I THINK MEANS IT'S HAGAR'S TURN.
10:00:16AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DO YOU WANT TO TALK -- GET THE
PRESENTATION FROM HAGAR FIRST?
QUESTION BRANDON BEFORE WE HEAR -- SHE'S KIND OF -- THIS IS
A ONE-TWO PUNCH.
LET'S GET MS. KOPESKY UP AND THEN WE'LL DO THE Q & A ALL
TOGETHER.
10:00:36AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
GOOD MORNING.
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
10:00:40AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALK TO YOU 7:30 ON THE PHONE THIS
MORNING.
10:00:42AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
YOU DID.
YOU DID.
THAT WAS LOVELY.
WAIT FOR THE PRESENTATION ON THE STORMWATER.
WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS KEEP THE FORMAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
YOU SAW LAST WEEK.
ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, I WANT TO REINFORCE SOME OF THE
THINGS YOU HEARD FROM BRANDON.

THE FIRST LINE, THE LICENSES AND PERMITS, THE 31 MILLION,
THAT IS DIVIDED BETWEEN THE IMPROVEMENT PORTION AND THE
EXPENSE PORTION OF THE ASSESSMENT.
THEY ARE FAIRLY EVEN IN THE 15 TO 15 AND A HALF MILLION.
AGAIN, MY POINT IS THIS WILL ALL TIE BACK TO THE INFORMATION
THAT YOU JUST SAW IN HIS PRESENTATION.
WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, AND AS I'VE CIRCLED HERE THE
EXPENSE FOR OPERATING, WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE
DETAIL THERE.
BUT ONE THING I WOULD MENTION HERE, AS HE ALSO ALLUDED TO,
ON THE PERSONNEL LINE BETWEEN '26 PROJECTED AND '27, YOU SEE
WHAT I WOULD CALL A RELATIVELY MODEST UPTICK.
REMAINED FLAT.
CONTINUED PRESSURE WITH HEALTH CARE COSTS.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE NONCONTROLLABLES.
NONETHELESS, MY POINT IS THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL HEAD COUNT
IN THIS GROUP FOR '27.
AGAIN, THE $7 MILLION YOU SEE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AGAIN.
BRANDON SHOWED THE SHORT LIST OF ONGOING SUPPORT PROJECTS
THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
PUMP RESILIENCY, DITCH GRADING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO GET INTO SPECIFICALLY THE 7
MILLION FOR OPERATING EXPENSE.
DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING BACK, BUT AGAIN TO

REINFORCE WHAT BRANDON HAD TALKED ABOUT, I THINK WE ALL
REMEMBER THAT BETWEEN '24 AND '25, WE DID SEE QUITE A
TICK-UP IN WHAT WE INVESTED IN THE REMAIN AND MAINTENANCE
LINE.
THAT'S WHY I CIRCLED IN RED HERE.
I PUT NOTES BELOW TO REMIND EVERYONE WE DID HAVE A
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CAVE-IN WORK WITH KIMMINS.
APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILLION THAT WE SPENT FOR I WOULD SAY
ROUGHLY 95 LOCATIONS.
WE DID USE A CONTRACTOR TO KIND OF KICK UP THE STORM PIPE
INSPECTION AND CLEAN OUT.
BRANDON MENTIONED THAT.
AND THEN I THINK JUST AS A RESULT OF GENERAL CONDITIONS, WE
CAN SEE THAT IN THAT PARTICULAR 25 PERIOD WE DID END UP
HAVING TO REPLACE FENCES AND DO A LOT MORE TREE REMOVAL.
THOSE ARE THINGS YOU WOULD EXPECT SOMEWHAT RELATED TO THE
STORM.
LAST, WE DID KICK UP THE VOLUME OF OUTFALL MAINTENANCE THAT
WE DID.
MOVING NOW MORE FOCUSED ON '26 AND HOW WE PERFORMED AND THEN
INTO '27, THIS IS A SIMILAR TYPE OF WALK THROUGH THAT I DID
FOR YOU LAST WEEK.
IN TERMS OF WALKING FROM, AGAIN, WHAT WE ADOPTED FOR '26
DOWN THROUGH WHERE WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE FROM A
PROJECTION, WE ARE EXCEEDING THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE

SOMEWHAT, AND WE DID HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CAVE -- YES,
CAVE-IN WORK.
I BELIEVE WE USED A VENDOR JVS, AS HE SAID, REACTIVE.
WE HAVE TO DO IT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY I THINK YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HAD GOTTEN
SOME SWEEPER LEASES.
THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF UPTICK IN MAINTENANCE COST
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
MOVING INTO THIS YEAR INTO NEXT YEAR, AND I THINK, THIS IS
ONE WHERE I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DIALOGUE WHEN WE GET INTO
THE COMMENTARY, SO THE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE LINE ITSELF
IS GOING DOWN ABOUT 1.2 MILLION.
ALTHOUGH 1.2 MILLION IN A $2 MILLION BUDGET ISN'T
NECESSARILY MATERIAL, IN RELATION TO ITS NORMAL SETTLING END
POINT OF 4ISH MILLION IT IS.
WHEN QUESTIONS DO COME UP, WE'LL PROBABLY WANT TO TALK TO --
HOW DO WE THINK THAT WILL AFFECT US ESSENTIALLY?
YOU ALSO HEARD MIKE PERRY EXPLAIN THE CONCEPT OF COST
ALLOCATION, INCREASE OF 400,000, SPECIFICALLY 3 AND 7, IS
REALLY REFLECTIVE OF ONE, JUST THE GENERAL INCREASE IN
SALARIES AND IN THIS CASE, I ALSO PUSHED THROUGH THE
INSURANCE RELATED COSTS.
THOSE ARE ALSO GOING UP.
I HATE TO SAY IT, THOSE ARE UNCONTROLLABLE.
I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WAS TOUCHED ON, WE TALKED ABOUT

AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS THE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE-TYPE
AREAS THAT WE ACTUALLY MOVE THE WATER AND SUCH, IN ADDITION,
THE REASON YOU SEE THE MOTOR POOL CHALLENGE, WE DO HAVE AN
AGING TRANSPORTATION EQUIPMENT INVENTORY, TOO.
THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT CONTINUES TO EXCEED BUDGET.
IT'S CURRENTLY SHOWN TO BE A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT INTO BUDGET
NEXT YEAR.
THAT IS THE DECREASE OF THE 340.
JUDGING BY HISTORY, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY A CHALLENGE,
JUST TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
MOVING ON, I KNOW THIS IS SMALL.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH IN DETAIL.
A LOT OF TIMES A PHONE CALL, WHAT IS IN REPAIRS AND
MAINTENANCE?
I WANT TO PROVIDE A SLIDE, DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH IN
DETAIL.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THE MAJORITY OF THE COST REALLY
DOES GET PUSHED THROUGH, THE MOWING, WHICH IS NEAR THE TOP
AND THEN SPECIFICALLY THE HAULING OF THE SEDIMENTS AND THEN
OUTFALL MAINTENANCE.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE 2026 FORECAST, THAT'S
WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE CAVE-IN NUMBERS AND PIPE INSPECTION.
IT REINFORCES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
A UNIQUE, ARRIVING SITUATION.
CONVERSATION IN '27, WE ARE STEPPING DOWN IN TERMS OF

OVERALL MAINTENANCE EXPENSE.
DO WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO REACT TO THOSE
THINGS?
AGAIN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER.
TYPICALLY, YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN THE OTHER.
SO THIS IS A BREAKOUT ON THE FIRST PAGE WHAT IS COMPOSED IN
THERE.
AS AGAIN I THINK BRANDON HAD ON A SLIDE, INTEREST EXPENSE OF
1.2, THE FUND BALANCE IS REALLY KIND OF AT THIS POINT AN
ESTIMATE OF WHAT MAY NEED TO BE USED.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO OCCUR, BUT THAT WOULD RIGHT
NOW IS DEFINED AS POTENTIALLY DRAWING ON THE FUND BALANCE.
THE NUMBER HERE THAT YOU GET A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IS
THE AMOUNT OF GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTIONS.
EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT EVENTS OR TALK ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF CORE STORMWATER ACTIVITY, YOU CAN SEE
THE TREND IN WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
'24 IT WAS 2 MILLION.
WE KICKED IT UP DURING THE STORM TO 6.
NOW WE RESUMED OUR RELATIVELY RECENT HISTORY OF 4 MILLION.
4 MILLION IS AGAIN WHAT IS ASSUMED IN '27.
THEN A LOT OF TIMES, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION AROUND DEBT,
RIGHT?
SO A BIG PORTION OF WHAT MOVED THROUGH THE OTHER EXPENSE IS
THIS 10 TO $11 MILLION OF ACTUAL DEBT SERVICE.

SO WE KNOW WE HAVE DEBT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON ANOTHER SLIDE.
THIS IS GIVING YOU A PERSPECTIVE ON HOW MUCH OF EACH ANNUAL
YEAR IS DEDICATED TO PAYING DOWN THAT DEBT.
ON THE INTERNET, THERE ARE REPORTS THAT PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON
THE SPENDING FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS.
THIS IS THE EXCEL VERSION OF THAT.
I WANTED TO DRAW ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE SECOND PROJECT ON HERE, THE LOWER PENINSULA, AS YOU JUST
HEARD, IT IS, FOR THE MOST PART, COMPLETE, FOR THE MOST
PART.
SO THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS,
WE SEE THE $5 MILLION BALANCE.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY A CONVERSATION POINT THAT SAYS AT SOME
POINT OUTSIDE OF MAYBE ANY OTHER STRAGGLER ITEMS, IT WOULD
BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT LIKELY -- GOING BACK INTO THE
POT.
USE THAT TERMINOLOGY.
COUPLE MORE, SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS FLOOD RELIEF, THAT
ONE HAS ABOUT A MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A CHUNK OF P.O.s THERE.
DEPENDING ON WHAT IS CAUGHT UP IN THE P.O.s, THERE WAS A
DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ONE, HAVING A FEW CHECKLIST ITEMS.
AGAIN, WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE $1 MILLION BALANCE
AND IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO BEING DONE.

AND THEN THE ANNUAL CIPP, THAT WAS THE PIPE WITHIN A PIPE
THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
SO WE HAVE 876,000 AVAILABLE FROM PREVIOUS BUDGETS, AND JUST
FOR AWARENESS, THAT'S ALSO BEEN PUT IN FOR '27.
I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER 500,000.
SO THEY ARE CONTINUING TO FUND THAT, WHICH WE HEARD TODAY IS
DEFINITELY WORKING OUT WELL.
MOVING ON FROM THERE, THIS ONE I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THE
VASCONIA FLOODING RELIEF.
THAT'S STILL IN PROCESS.
THAT 6.9, DIFFERENT SITUATION.
MADE IT VERY CLEAR.
STILL WORKING THROUGH IT.
THAT WOULD NOT BE ONE I WOULD NECESSARILY TARGET AS SAYING
THIS IS SOMETHING WE THINK WE HAVE CAPACITY TO REPURPOSE.
YOU GUYS HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU.
I WILL PAUSE FOR A MINUTE, BUT I THINK YOU EACH PROBABLY
ALREADY HAVE THE QUESTIONS IN MIND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK
REGARDING CAPITAL.
LET ME KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.
HERE IS THE 7 MILLION THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE LARGEST
PIECE BEING FOR PUMP STATION RESILIENCY.
WHAT IS NOT IN THE CAPITAL THIS YEAR IS ANY DOLLARS FOR
TRANSPORTATION EQUIPMENT.

WE DID DO QUITE A BIT OF INVESTMENT LAST YEAR, SWEEPERS,
TRUCKS.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM ALL BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER
THEM ALL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY -- I WON'T MAKE A COMMENT
ON THAT.
JUST BEING AWARE, HAD A LARGE INCREASE LAST YEAR, MAKING A
DECISION TO NOT CONTINUE WITH NEW INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA
THIS YEAR.
SO THE FUND BALANCE, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS SIMPLY
THAT ASSUMING ALL THINGS GO AS EXPECTED, IT'S DOWN TO 1.4 BY
THE END OF THE YEAR.
THAT'S TIGHT.
I'M GOING TO STOP HERE BECAUSE I HAD NOT PLANNED TO GO
THROUGH THE BONDING PORTION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP
AND WALK THROUGH THOSE SLIDES.
10:11:27AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION BACK UP,
PLEASE?
MIKE PERRY, D-CFO.
THE BONDING FOR THE STORMWATER PROGRAM STARTED IN 2016 WHERE
CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED OR ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION TO
ALLOCATE $20 MILLION OF BOND PROCEEDS TO THE STORMWATER
PROGRAM.
I KNOW FOR A FACT IT WAS IN AN EFFORT TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT
OF THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.

I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DECREASE IT BY ABOUT 5 OR 7 DOLLARS
PER ESU.
BUT I WAS UNABLE TO FIND ANY REFERENCE TO THAT.
BUT THAT WAS THE EFFECT OF THAT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE MAJOR PROJECTS FUNDED.
MOST OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY ALREADY DONE.
OKAY.
NOW, SINCE THE STORMWATER PROGRAM BEGAN, WE'VE HAD THREE
SERIES OF BONDS.
IN 2018, ISSUED GREEN BONDS AT THAT TIME.
IT WAS OUR FIRST ENTRY INTO THE GREEN BOND CRITERIA.
IT WAS A VERY LEARNING EXPENSE FOR US.
WE HAD TO GO WITH AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO GO GET CERTIFICATION.
WE DID GREEN BONDS IN 2018 AND 2021 AND THEN STATE LAW
PROHIBITED US FROM PROCEEDING ANY GREEN BOND DESIGNATION
WITH THE 2023s.
YOU SEE THE BOND AMOUNTS UP THERE IN THE PROJECTS.
THE 2018, WE ISSUED $97 MILLION IN BOND PROCEEDS.
THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, I'D
HAVE TO DEFER TO BRAD.
SECOND BONDS, 2021.
10:13:33AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
[INAUDIBLE] GO AHEAD.
10:13:38AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
2021, YOU SEE THE FOUR MAJOR PROJECTS.
THIS WAS $44 MILLION OF DEBT.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST BONDS WE DID, 2023.
AND THIS WAS A TOTAL OF $36 MILLION OF DEBT PROCEEDS.
I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MS. KOPESKY.
10:14:01AM >>HAGAR KOPESKY:
WE CAN MAKE THIS VERY FAST.
HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST.
AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO REFLECT THE 94 HEADS, DIVIDED BETWEEN
TWO LITERS, STORMWATER SERVICES.
BRYAN RODGERS, WHEN WE LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THE HEAD COUNT
IN TRANSPORTATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR REFERENCE TO GET SIZE OF
SCOPE AND TO REMIND EVERYONE THERE IS NO CHANGE IN HEAD
COUNT YEAR OVER YEAR.
OKAY.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO Q & A.
10:14:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:14:33AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT IF WE
HAD GOTTEN THAT QUARTERLY REPORT, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS
WOULD BE ANSWERED.
JUST GOING TO START WITH THAT.
ALSO, MY OVERALL COMMENT FOR THIS SECTION IS THAT I HAVE A
GIANT QUESTION.
WHY ARE WE LETTING OUR FOOT OFF THE GAS?
THAT'S MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE LETTING OUR FOOT
OFF THE GAS?
CLEARLY, WE'VE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD AS A CITY TO

IMPROVE THE MAINTENANCE, AND I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME
FIGURE OUT WHY WE'RE GOING TO STOP THAT.
I THINK THE ANSWER MIGHT BE AMENDMENT 3, BUT THAT IS JUST
SIMPLY NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
SO I'M GOING TO START WITH MY -- I REALLY WISH YOU HAD
NUMBERED THE PAGES OF THIS.
FOR NEXT WEEK, IF WE COULD NUMBER THE PAGES OF YOUR REPORT
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD FOR US TO GO THROUGH
THESE.
IF WE GO TO THE FIRST PAGE, STORMWATER ASSESSMENTS, YOU SAY
FOR THE SERVICE ASSESSMENTS, IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE
2003.
HOW MUCH IS IT AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS UPDATED?
10:15:51AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
IN 2003 IT WAS SET AT $36 A YEAR.
AND THEN IN -- WE DID A PRESENTATION IN AUGUST OF 2015 FOR
BOTH ASSESSMENTS.
THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WAS INCREASED TO $82 A YEAR.
AND IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS NOT APPROVED IN AUGUST OF
2015.
WE CAME BACK IN MAY OF 2016 AND THAT'S WHEN WE RECEIVED THAT
APPROVAL.
10:16:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE SERVICE, THE OPERATIONS AND

MAINTENANCE.
SO THANK YOU.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION THERE.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE SORT OF -- WE'RE CONSIDERING THE
POSSIBILITY OF AN INCREASE IN THAT.
IS THAT ON ANYONE'S MIND?
10:16:40AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
THAT IS ON OUR RADAR.
WE'RE STUDYING THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE FOLLOWING
YEAR, FY '27.
10:16:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT BASED ON THE STUFF THAT
WE'RE SEEING IN MAINTENANCE AND THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T
RISEN AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING HAS QUADRUPLED IN COST, I
THINK FOR THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
MY CONCERN REMAINS CONTINUING TO USE THE GENERAL FUND, $4
MILLION A YEAR, WE HAVE TO AT THIS POINT, BUT -- SO I DO --
AGAIN, THE PUBLIC WILL TELL US WHETHER OR NOT THEY THINK
THIS IS SOMETHING WORTHY.
BUT I DID WANT TO JUST LEVEL SET THAT FOR THE PUBLIC SO THAT
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING THROUGH.
SO THANK YOU.
10:17:32AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I MIGHT ADD TO THAT BEFORE YOU LEAVE THAT
SUBJECT, IN 2015, WE SET THAT SUPPLEMENT AT $2 MILLION FROM
THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WE KEPT IT AT $2 MILLION UNTIL SEVERAL YEARS LATER AND
THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED BUMPING THAT UP.
THAT WAS ACTUALLY MR. PERRY THAT DID THAT.
10:17:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
UNDERSTANDABLE.
BUT I THINK MY QUESTION IS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE JUST DID ALL
OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS LAST WEEK, WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS
LIKE STORMWATER, WHAT CAN WE DO TO TRY TO NOT GET TO THE
GENERAL FUND, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE GENERAL FUND IS FUNDING
SO MANY OTHER THINGS, IF WE HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE, WE SHOULD
LOOK AT THE FUNDING SOURCE.
AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT STORMWATER CAVE-IN REPAIRS.
YOU HAVE A CUTE LITTLE BOX FOR EVERY OTHER MAINTENANCE
METRIC.
IT DOES NOT SAY IF STORMWATER CAVE-IN REPAIRS ARE ON TARGET,
OFF TARGET.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE.
10:18:33AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT WAS JUST THE NUMBER OF CAVE-INS THAT WE
--
10:18:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE COULD PUT THAT BACK ON THE UP SO PEOPLE
CAN SEE IT.
10:18:42AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE THE SLIDE ON THE
CHARTS THAT SHOW THE CAVE-INS.
10:18:50AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CITY'S PRESENTATION

AND NOT MS. KOPESKY.
10:18:53AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YEAH, THE CITY'S PRESENTATION.
THE CHARTS SHOWN ON OPEN GOV IF THAT'S HELPING IN THE BACK
ROOM THERE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING TARGET LINE ON THAT
ONE.
THEY OBVIOUSLY WENT UP AFTER THE STORMS.
10:19:20AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
THE REASON THAT WE DON'T HAVE A TARGET ON THAT IS BECAUSE
IT'S A REACTIVE MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
IDEALLY, WE'D GET TO ALL OF THEM QUICKLY AFTER THEY ARE
IDENTIFIED.
WHEN THERE IS A SPIKE AS THERE WAS IN 2024, THERE IS A
CERTAIN LEAD TIME THAT TAKES US TO GET TO IT.
10:19:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS AT LEAST PUTTING AN
AVERAGE THERE, BECAUSE THIS IS SORT OF LIKE THE REST OF THE
BUDGET WHERE IT IS ALL IN FIVE-POINT FONT.
I REALLY CAN'T READ FROM THERE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT A BOX, AN AVERAGE WOULD BE FINE.
I SUPPOSE MY TIME IS UP.
I'LL WAIT AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS MY NEXT ROUND.
10:20:02AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, WHEN THOSE CAVE-IN
REPAIRS GO UP, OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE THE REACTIVE REPAIRS, AND
THAT TAKES AWAY WITH SOME OF OUR PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE.
10:20:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SURE, SURE.

AGAIN, I THINK JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE WHAT
AN AVERAGE IS, MAYBE FOR EVERY YEAR, JUST SOMETHING SO THAT
-- THEY ARE NICE LINES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE THE CAVE-INS, BUT ARE WE LIKE -- LIKE,
OVERALL, ARE WE SEEING A REDUCTION IN THOSE?
BY THAT CHART, YOU CANNOT TELL.
LATER ON, I THINK IT SHOWED SOMEWHERE THAT WE ARE REDUCING,
BUT, AGAIN, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW IT IN BOTH PLACES.
I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE USEFUL.
10:20:48AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THE INTENT IS TO SHOW THE TREND.
WE CAN PROBABLY REFINE THAT REPRESENTATION.
10:20:53AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, IT STOOD OUT BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY
ONE THAT DIDN'T HAVE SOME SORT OF CLARITY BOX.
IF NOBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS, I'LL KEEP GOING.
10:21:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN
CARLSON.
10:21:05AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE BONDS.
FOR THE SERIES, YOU SAID IF WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH
WAS ISSUED FOR A PROJECT.
FOR THE SERIES 2021 BONDS FOR THOSE FOUR PROJECTS, CAN YOU
TELL ME HOW MUCH?
AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE 2023 AS WELL.
10:21:27AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN I TAG ONTO THAT?
MR. PERRY, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE BONDS, CAN YOU IDENTIFY
IF THERE'S ANY REMAINING MONEY LEFT IN THOSE BOND ISSUES?

FOR EACH ONE?
I WOULD GO THROUGH THEM ALL AND HIGHLIGHT THAT.
'16, YEAH.
10:21:50AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CAN WE BRING HAGAR'S PRESENTATION UP,
PLEASE?
10:22:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN I AMEND THAT TO ALSO ASK IF THE PROJECTS
ARE COMPLETED?
HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT?
ARE THEY COMPLETED?
10:22:07AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HOW MUCH MONEY WAS THE BOND FOR, HOW MUCH IS
LEFT AND IF IT'S COMPLETED.
10:22:23AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL YOUR
QUESTIONS.
I WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER PART OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
10:22:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START THE TIMER SO AT LEAST I'M AWARE OF
WHERE WE ARE AT.
10:22:45AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:23:30AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OUT OF THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX BONDS,
WE HAVE AVAILABLE BALANCE OF $167,000.
OUT OF $20 MILLION.
10:23:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.
10:23:42AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
$167,000 REMAINING IN THE 2016 CIT BONDS.
10:23:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALL THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED?
10:23:53AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ONE MINUTE, SIR.
AND WE HAVE ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ENCUMBERED.

PURCHASE ORDERS ARE STILL PENDING OUT ON THEM.
10:24:10AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:24:11AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO YOU SAID THAT THERE'S 167,000 LEFT, BUT
HALF A MILLION ENCUMBERED.
10:24:17AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
CORRECT.
10:24:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
REALLY 667 BUT 500 IS ENCUMBERED.
10:24:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
JUST DOUBLE CHECKING ON THAT.
10:24:28AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NOW, I APOLOGIZE.
I INTERRUPTED YOU WITH YOUR FOLLOW-ON QUESTION, SIR.
10:24:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THE QUESTIONS WERE, ONE --
10:24:36AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
HOW MUCH WAS THE BOND FOR, FOR EACH PROJECT,
HOW MUCH IS LEFT, AND IS THE PROJECT COMPLETE?
10:24:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FOR EACH ISSUE.
10:24:43AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OKAY.
NOW, IF YOU WANT A LIST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE STILL HAVE
IN THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU
LATER.
ON THIS ONE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS.
WHAT IS THE NEXT BOND?
2018?
10:25:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S GO BACK TO THE 2016 FOR A SECOND.
WE'VE GOT THE 667.
167 AVAILABLE, 500.
ARE THOSE PROJECTS COMPLETE?
10:25:19AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE OTHER PROJECTS COMPLETE, YES.

10:25:21AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE QUARTERLY REPORT
WOULD SHOW US.
10:25:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I UNDERSTAND.
THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE COMPLETE.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COUNT WE HAVE 167 AVAILABLE AFTER THIS
--
10:25:35AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR.
10:25:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT IS A MAYBE.
THE ROBLES PARK PUMPING STATION REPLACEMENT WAS JUST
FINISHED AND THAT MIGHT BE DONE.
10:25:45AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M ASSUMING PART OF THE 500 ENCUMBERED.
10:25:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALL OF THESE ARE.
10:25:52AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ROBLES PARK PUMPING STATION.
10:25:55AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YOU'LL SEE ABOUT HALFWAY LISTED DOWN THE
PUMP STATION RESILIENCY PROGRAM.
ASSUMING THERE WASN'T A PREVIOUS PUMP STATION RESILIENCY
PROGRAM AND THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE DOING THE GENERATORS FOR
WITHOUT A PROJECT NUMBER, I'M NOT ENTIRELY CERTAIN.
MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT SOME OF THAT MONEY WAS
REALLOCATED TO THAT PROJECT FROM A PREVIOUS LEFTOVER AMOUNT.
SO I WOULD SPECULATE THAT THAT $667,000 ISN'T ALL FREED UP
FOR OTHER USES, BUT WE CAN GO ON A LINE-BY-LINE BASIS.
TRACK DOWN WHAT P.O.s ARE ENCUMBERING THOSE $500,000.
THERE MAY BE SOME THAT COULD BE CANCELED AND THEN PUT BACK
INTO THE POT.

WE CAN DO THAT ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS AS NEEDED.
10:26:44AM >> WAS THERE A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ON THE ROBLES PARK
PUMPING STATION?
THE RESILIENCY PUMPING STATION, WHICH FOLLOWED AFTER THE
HURRICANES, WE DID USE $1.6 MILLION OF THESE BOND PROCEEDS
FOR THAT PROJECT.
THERE'S ABOUT $387,000 REMAINING IN PURCHASE ORDERS.
AND REMAINING BALANCE OF $138,000.
YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE MONEY REMAINING IS IN THE PUMPING
STATION RESILIENCY PROGRAM.
10:27:14AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. PERRY.
NEXT ISSUE.
2018.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
WE'RE CONTINUING THE PROCESS ON BONDING.
THE QUESTIONS WERE --
10:27:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST WHEN YOU'RE DONE, LET ME KNOW.
10:27:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO AHEAD.
2018.
10:27:34AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR.
PLEASE STAND BY.
10:27:52AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
44 MILLION FOR 2021.
AND THEN 36 MILLION FOR 2023.
10:28:04AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
ABOUT $97 MILLION I DO BELIEVE ON THIS ONE,
CORRECT.

CURRENTLY ACTIVE IN THE ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHERE
I'M DRAWING MY INFORMATION, $3 MILLION PROJECTS HAVE BEEN
CANCELED, WORKING WITH A SMALLER POPULATION.
OTHERS, WHEN WE CLOSE A PROJECT AND NO -- IT NO LONGER COMES
ON OUR REPORTS.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DO PROVIDE A MONTHLY C.I.P. REPORT, AND
THIS INFORMATION -- MOST OF THIS INFORMATION IS IN THERE.
WE HAVE ABOUT $258,000 REMAINING WITHIN THE 2018 BONDS, AND
PURCHASE ORDERS --
[BELL]
THANK YOU.
10:29:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL IGNORE THAT FOR NOW.
10:29:10AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THEY HAVE ENCUMBRANCES OF 1.1 MILLION.
THE LARGEST ONE IS ON DITCH REHABILITATION FOR $1 MILLION.
I'M SORRY.
IS MY VOICE HOARSE OR IS THE MICROPHONE NOT PICKING UP?
CAN WE GET A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVITY FROM THE PODIUM,
PLEASE?
10:29:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND YOU ARE SOFT SPOKEN.
10:29:30AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OKAY.
THEN I'LL START SPEAKING LOUDER.
10:29:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
-- REMAINING AND 1.1 MILLION ENCUMBERED?
10:29:39AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
258.
10:29:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
258 AND 1.1.
10:29:43AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE PROJECT WITH THE MOST MONEY, I'M GOING

TO GO, DITCH REHABILITATION AT $1.1 MILLION AND HAS
AVAILABLE BALANCE OF 18.
I THINK YOU JUST ENCUMBERED THE CONTRACT -- FOR DITCH REHAB.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS REALLY IMMATERIAL, AND WE'RE STILL
MOVING MONEY AROUND.
WE STILL HAVE 129,000 FOR LOWER PENINSULA.
AS WE GO THROUGH THE GRANT RECONCILIATION WITH THE FLORIDA
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, YOU REMEMBER, YOU'VE
APPROVED SOME GRANTS AFTER THE FACT THAT ALLOW US TO REQUEST
REIMBURSEMENT FOR PRECONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
AS SOON AS WE GET THAT, THEN WE JOURNAL ENTRY THE EXPENSE
OUT OF THE PROJECT AND THAT FREES UP MONEY.
SO THAT WILL CONTINUE ONWARD.
10:30:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING OUT OF THE
ANOTHER 48.
10:30:40AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER MAJOR -- ANY PROJECTS WITH ANY
ADDITIONAL MONEY.
CAN I CONTINUE ON TO THE NEXT ONE?
10:30:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YES, SIR.
10:30:51AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YES.
10:30:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THAT WILL BE THE 2021.
I DO BELIEVE THE AMOUNT WAS -- $44 MILLION.
10:31:15AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
UM-HUM.
10:31:17AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THANK YOU.

10:31:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
I'M INTERESTED FOR 2021 AND 2023, OUT OF THE
BOND, HOW MUCH WAS FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD?
10:31:30AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OKAY.
WHAT I'LL DO, ONCE I RECONCILE THE BONDS, I'LL KEY IN ON THE
SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
OUT OF THIS BOND, WE HAVE AVAILABLE $6 MILLION OUT OF THE
ORIGINAL $44 MILLION.
THE SINGLE LARGEST COMPONENT IS $3.8 MILLION ON THE SOUTH
HOWARD PROJECT.
10:31:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW MUCH IS ENCUMBERED?
10:32:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
3.8 MILLION?
10:32:04AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
FOR SOUTH HOWARD.
AND WE HAVE IN THIS -- I APOLOGIZE.
MY MISTAKE.
THAT WAS THE LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT.
MY MISTAKE.
I DO APOLOGIZE.
OF COURSE, THOSE FUNDS WILL PROBABLY GET REALLOCATED.
10:32:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S THE UNUSED PORTION FROM LOWER 48,
THE 3.8.
10:32:31AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR.
NOW, WHEN WE GO TO THE ENCUMBRANCES, TOTAL VALUE IS
$3.5 MILLION OF ENCUMBRANCES.
OF THAT AMOUNT, $3 MILLION IS IN WITH SOUTH HOWARD.
ANY QUESTIONS, SIR, COUNCIL?

10:32:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON 2021?
10:33:02AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
YOU SAID YOU'LL GO BACK.
10:33:04AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY OF
SOUTH HOWARD, I'LL SUMMARIZE THAT.
10:33:09AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OUT OF THE 44 MILLION BOND, ONLY 3 MILLION WAS
FOR SOUTH HOWARD?
10:33:15AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO.
3 MILLION -- LET ME COME BACK TO THAT, PLEASE.
FINALLY IN THE 2023 BONDS, THAT WAS ABOUT $30 MILLION.
10:33:35AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
36.
10:33:37AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
36.
WE ALL SAY 36.
10:33:48AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OF THAT AMOUNT WE HAVE $30 MILLION
REMAINING OF THOSE BOND PROCEEDS.
6.8 FOR LAMB CANAL, AND $23.3 MILLION FOR SOUTH HOWARD.
AGAIN, I'LL COME BACK AND I'LL SUMMARIZE THAT FOR YOU ALL.
THE AMOUNT OF THE PURCHASE ORDERS, TOTAL $3.7 MILLION.
SINGLE LARGEST PROJECT IS MANHATTAN, VASCONIA, OBISPO AT
$3.4 MILLION.
REMEMBER THIS NUMBER FOR ME 2448, PLEASE.
10:34:41AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
2448.
AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU GUYS ALL SHOWED UP TODAY TO WATCH THE
PAINT DRY?
10:35:12AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
SOUTH HOWARD CURRENTLY HAS $50,716,000
BUDGETED.

50716.
10:35:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
50716.
10:35:30AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE A QUESTION
ABOUT.
10:35:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ARE YOU FINISHED WITH THAT PART?
THAT'S BUDGETED.
WHAT HAS BEEN CONTRACTED AND ENCUMBERED OUT OF SOUTH HOWARD?
10:35:42AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
OUT OF AMOUNT, ACTUAL EXPENSES
$5.4 MILLION.
10:35:49AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYTHING ELSE CONTRACTED OR ENCUMBERED?
10:35:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
YES, SIR, I'LL GET THERE.
CURRENTLY ENCUMBERED IS $3.2 MILLION ENCUMBERED.
AVAILABLE BALANCE OF ABOUT $42.1 MILLION.
10:36:17AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS THAT IT FOR 2023?
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
THEN I'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THIS WAS HER QUESTION.
10:36:29AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
LET ME JUST BE SURE.
YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE 2021, THE SOUTH HOWARD, OUT
OF THE 44 MILLION.
10:36:39AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WHAT I GAVE YOU WAS THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT
PROJECT-WISE.
10:36:44AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THE TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE BONDS FOR THE
PROJECT IS 50 MILLION.
10:36:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
NO.

THAT'S THE TOTAL BUDGET, ALL FUNDING SOURCES, WHICH INCLUDES
STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT, TWO BOND ISSUES, GRANTS FROM
FDEP AND WATER.
WATER HAS A COMPONENT IN THERE.
10:37:10AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
OKAY.
GO AHEAD.
10:37:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN BACK TO
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
10:37:22AM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. PERRY, THE NUMBER YOU'RE SAYING ON THE
FORTY TWO ONE, THAT IS THE COLUMN THAT SAYS PROJECT BALANCE,
RIGHT?
IN THE SLIDES WE HAVE, IT SAYS 51 MILLION BUDGET TO DATE AND
THEN ALL THE WAY ACROSS, I THINK IT MATCHED UP WITH YOUR
NUMBER.
MY QUESTION IS, THAT PROJECT, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
PROPAGANDA EVENT TOMORROW NIGHT, BUT THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN
ESTIMATED TO BE HUNDRED PLUS MILLION DOLLARS AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT ONLY INCLUDES PHASE ONE, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE
PALMA CEIA PINES.
PHASE TWO IS PALMA CEIA PINES, FOUR ADDITIONAL YEARS AND 40
OR 50 MILLION I THINK MORE DOLLARS.
SEE WHAT THEY CHANGE TOMORROW NIGHT.
LITTLE HOOK-UP IN PALMA CEIA PINES BUT IT WON'T WORK BECAUSE
OF WHERE IT IS POSITIONED.
PALMA CEIA PINES HAS AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS BEFORE THEY GET

ANY RELIEF.
ALSO, THERE'S NO BUDGET AND NO MONEY ALLOCATED FOR PALMA
CEIA PINES.
MY QUESTION IS, SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION AGAINST EVERY
ENGINEER THAT'S NOT BEING PAID BY THE CITY'S OPINION IS
PUSHING THIS PROJECT.
WHERE IS THE OTHER HUNDRED MILLION GOING TO COME FROM?
WHERE IS THE OTHER HUNDRED MILLION ON THIS PROJECT GOING TO
COME FROM THAT WOULD INCLUDE PROTECTING PALMA CEIA PINES?
10:38:41AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I'M UNAWARE OF THAT, SIR.
10:38:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE 50 MILLION IS COMING FROM TO FINISH
THIS PROJECT?
10:38:51AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
DENNIS WILL TAKE IT OVER FROM HERE.
10:38:55AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
WE CAN UNPACK THAT $100 MILLION, LITTLE OVER $100 MILLION
PROJECT FOR YOU.
RIGHT NOW, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS, IF
IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
10:39:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS AS GOOD A TIME AS ANY.
10:39:14AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND THEN ALSO THAT IS THE HUNDRED MILLION.
BECAUSE PALMA CEIA PINES IS ONLY SYMBOLICALLY INCLUDED IN
THAT PHASE ONE.
WHERE IS THE MONEY FOR PHASE TWO GOING TO COME AND IS THERE

A BUDGET TO PROTECT PALMA CEIA PINES?
10:39:29AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I HAVE NO INFORMATION ON THAT.
10:39:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S UNPACK THE PROJECT AND THEN WE CAN
DISSECT ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO DISSECT.
10:39:40AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
MAY I HAVE THE SOUTH HOWARD PRESENTATION
UP, PLEASE?
10:39:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THINK THEY ANTICIPATED THAT WOULD BE A
TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
10:39:52AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY IN A MINUTE,
THE CAN EARN FROM THE COMMUNITY, BESIDES THE FACT THAT THE
PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE AND IS NOT GOING TO
PROTECT PALMA CEIA PINES OR PARKLAND, THE CONCERN IS WITH
THE OTHER 50 TO HUNDRED MILLION NEEDED TO PROTECT EVERYONE
WITH A BAD PROJECT, WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?
IS IT GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE OTHER 20 NEIGHBORHOODS
IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT FLOODED?
BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT RELIEF FROM THEIR FLOODING AS WELL.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT WERE FLOODED AND THEY
WANT TO KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO GET RELIEF.
AND THEY ARE FRUSTRATED THAT, AS I SAID, EVERY ENGINEER
THAT'S NOT BEING PAID BY THE CITY SAYS IT'S A BAD PROJECT.
10:40:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A QUESTION.
10:40:31AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO IF THERE IS A SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, OR IF
YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION, CAN WE RECEIVE A COPY OF THAT?
10:40:39AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.

ABSOLUTELY.
10:40:42AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M SURE SOMEONE, MAYBE YOUR AIDE CAN MAKE
COPIES.
10:40:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SAM THOMAS REPORT TO THE DAIS, PLEASE.
SAM THOMAS, REPORT TO THE DAIS.
PAGING SAM THOMAS.
STAT.
10:41:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE CAN WAIT OR CONTINUE.
IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
CAN I HAVE THAT PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE?
10:41:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO SAY YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE TO BE ON CAMERA WHEN YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND THEN
THEY THROW IT UP.
10:41:31AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
AGAIN, AS WAS REFERENCED JUST A MINUTE AGO, HERE IS THE USES
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE PROJECT BUDGET OR ANTICIPATED PROJECT BUDGET,
$100.4 MILLION.
$100,441,517.
YOU SEE THE PORTION FOR DESIGN.
YOU SEE THE PORTION FOR CONSTRUCTION.
FROM HERE, I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH THE SOURCES, WHERE THE
FUNDING COMES FROM.
AND THIS IS THE APPROVED -- I'M SORRY, MA'AM?
10:42:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN T AND I TAKE THE BUG OFF -- THANK YOU.

10:42:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU.
THAT WILL HELP ME, TOO.
THESE ARE THE SOURCES, THIS IS THE 50 MILLION-DOLLAR
APPROPRIATION, THE BUDGET MR. PERRY TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE
BIT WHILE AGO.
HERE HOW MADE UP.
APPROVED BY BOTH ANY APPLICABLE OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION AND BY
CITY COUNCIL.
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, $8.4 MILLION.
SOME OF THE STORMWATER BONDS WE REFERENCED EARLIER, SERIES
2021 AND SERIES 2023.
BREAKING DOWN SERIES 2023 AND AGAIN, YOU HEARD MR. PERRY
ALLUDE TO THIS EARLIER, WE HAVE AN EXISTING BALANCE OF 1.9
MILLION AND A LOWER PENINSULA REALLOCATION OF 21, ALMOST
21.5 MILLION.
GOING FURTHER DOWN, WE HAVE AN APPROVED FDEP GRANT THROUGH
THE RESILIENT FLORIDA PROGRAM FOR JUST OVER $10 MILLION.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE TOTAL APPROVED.
THIS ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY, HALF OF THE PROJECT COST APPROVED AND
APPROPRIATED.
10:43:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LET'S LET HIM FINISH THIS.
GO AHEAD, DENNIS.
CONTINUE.
10:43:25AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, SIR.
STILL REQUIRING APPROVAL ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER FUNDING

SOURCES YOU SEE BROKEN OUT HERE.
WE ANTICIPATE $11 MILLION FROM THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY.
WE HAVE IN CONCERT WITH THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT HAVE
PROJECTS THAT WE CAN REALIGN FUNDING FROM TO THE SOUTH
HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT FOR A LITTLE OVER $10.2 MILLION.
WE HAVE A DATED CIT BONDS FROM 2016, A LITTLE UNDER
$3.2 MILLION, AND THEN WE CAN INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF THE
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT CONTRIBUTION.
AGAIN, YOU'LL RECALL, IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AT THE TOP THERE
OF $8.4 MILLION.
WE'D LIKE TO INCREASE THAT TO JUST UNDER $26 MILLION AND
THEN AT THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE THIS WOULD BE THE OTHER HALF OF
THE PROJECT TOTAL.
AND THERE WE'VE SUMMED IT UP.
10:44:30AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OUCH.
OUCH.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:44:35AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WE SAW THESE SLIDES ON THE CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND EVERYTHING, SO THIS OTHER 50 MILLION
WAS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THESE NUMBERS.
THERE IS A SLIDE HERE CALLED STORMWATER CAPITAL AS OF JUNE
30th.
HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS?
IS IT TRUE WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING, EVERY OTHER PART OF
THE CITY THAT FLOODED IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY

INFRASTRUCTURE?
THERE ARE NO PAGE NUMBERS.
8.
I SEE RIGHT THERE.
NOW IT SAYS 240 -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PAGE TO
GO TO, 247, 248 MILLION TOTAL BUDGET TO DATE.
WE ADD ANOTHER 50 MILLION ON TO THIS, DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE
TO SUBTRACT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING SOURCES?
WHAT DO WE HAVE TO TAKE OFF THIS PAGE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD
THE EXTRA 50 MILLION?
10:45:29AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I'M SORRY.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH PAGE OF THE PRESENTATION -- OH, THANK
YOU.
10:45:34AM >>BILL CARLSON:
TITLE SAYS STORMWATER CAPITAL AS OF JUNE 30,
2026, CONTINUED.
BUT IT HAS A LIST OF THE PROJECTS.
THE TOTAL IS 248 MILLION --
10:45:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THROW THAT ON THE WOLF SO EVERYBODY CAN
SEE IT.
10:45:51AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE AN EXTRA 50
MILLION SITTING AROUND OR DO WE HAVE TO REDUCE THIS BY 50
MILLION?
THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT PROJECTS DO WE HAVE TO NOT DO OR
SLOW DOWN SO THAT WE CAN FINISH A PROJECT THAT ENGINEERS
OUTSIDE THE CITY SAY WOULD NOT PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

10:46:13AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
WE ARE PREPARED TO GO PROJECT BY PROJECT WITH YOU ON.
TO TALK ABOUT THOSE PROJECTS AND EACH ONE, WHAT MONEY IS
LEFT OVER, WHAT PROBLEM HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED.
WHETHER IT'S IN LAND ACQUISITION.
IT'S YOUR PLEASURE IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO PROJECT BY
PROJECT --
10:46:41AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL BE
REDUCED BECAUSE THE EXTRA 50 MILLION, PLUS ANOTHER 50
MILLION TO PROTECT PALMA CEIA PINES IF THIS PROJECT EVEN
WORKS.
SO WE REALLY NEED A HUNDRED MILLION IN THE SHORT TERM WE
NEED 50 MILLION.
SO WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO CANCEL OR SLOW DOWN
BECAUSE OF THAT OR WHICH ONES HAVE WE SLOWED DOWN ALREADY TO
PAY --
10:47:03AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THESE PROJECTS WILL NOT BE CANCELED.
THE PROBLEM HAS ALREADY BEEN SOLVED AND THERE IS LEFT-OVER
MONEY, FOR THE MOST PART.
AND ANOTHER ONE IS CAUGHT UP IN LAND ACQUISITION.
SO THAT CAN BE HANDLED AT A FUTURE DATE.
10:47:19AM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF WE HAD AN EXTRA 50 OR 100 MILLION,
ULTIMATELY GETTING TO 100 MILLION, WHAT PROJECTS ARE WE NOT
DOING THAT WE COULD BE DOING WITH THAT?

FOR EXAMPLE, CONCORDIA PARK, WE KNOW THE CULVERTS HAD TREES
GROWING OUT OF THEM.
WHEN WILL ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOODS BE REPAIRED?
10:47:42AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
TWO PARTS TO THAT.
ONE, WE CAN GO PROJECT BY PROJECT.
I HEAR YOUR QUESTION, MR. CARLSON.
SO WE CAN DO THAT, BUT ALSO I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN THE
NEXT 20 YEARS, WE WILL HAVE 83, $85 MILLION IN EXTRA REVENUE
COMING IN FOR THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
10:48:09AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
JUST A SLIGHT CORRECTION THERE.
WE ANTICIPATE AFTER ALL OF OUR DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATIONS ARE
TAKEN CARE OF FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, OVER A HUNDRED MILLION
DOLLARS IN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT CAPACITY.
10:48:23AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT WILL ALL HAVE TO GO TO THIS PROJECT
THEN, BECAUSE YOU NEED AT LEAST HUNDRED MILLION, NOT
INCLUDING INTEREST, TO FINISH THE PROJECT IN PHASE TWO,
RIGHT?
PALMA CEIA -- PRIOR TESTIMONY SHOWED THERE WAS A LITTLE PIPE
IN PALMA CEIA PINES THAT GOES UNDERNEATH A RETENTION POND
THAT HASN'T BEEN CLEANED OUT AND SIX FEET ABOVE THE PLACE
WHERE IT FLOODS.
AND SO EVENTUALLY PALMA CEIA PINES WILL NEED INFRASTRUCTURE.
I DON'T KNOW THE PRICE BECAUSE NOBODY SAID IT.
BUT IF IT'S 50 MILLION MORE, WE'D HAVE TO USE THE WHOLE
HUNDRED MILLION FOR THE STORMWATER TAX TO PAY FOR THAT,

RIGHT?
10:48:59AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, SIR.
MR. BAIRD CAN CORRECT ME.
I BELIEVE ANY PHASE TWO WILL SURFACE FROM THE WATERSHED
MASTER PLAN THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
10:49:12AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
THAT IS CORRECT.
SO OVER THE NEXT -- INTO NEXT YEAR, WE ARE PREPARING A
WATERSHED MASTER PLAN THAT WILL IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL PROJECTS
FROM THE 251 ORIGINAL THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016.
AS DENNIS JUST STATED, WE WILL HAVE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS,
110 MILLION ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING IN.
SO IT IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WILL
WIPE OUT THE REMAINING FUNDS.
10:49:47AM >>BILL CARLSON:
BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, THOUGH, IF PHASE TWO
IS 50 MILLION, WE DON'T KNOW YET, THEN YOU'LL HAVE 10
MILLION LEFT OVER.
IF IT'S 60 MILLION, IT WILL WIPE OUT ALL OF IT, CORRECT?
DON'T YOU THINK PHASE TWO WILL BE AT LEAST 50 MILLION?
10:50:01AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO, SIR.
10:50:02AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WHAT DO YOU THINK PHASE TWO WILL BE?
DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS?
10:50:06AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IN THIS WATERSHED MASTER PLAN, THE PALMA CEIA
PINES, I'M ASSUMING WILL BE ONE OF THE ONES ADDRESSED.
WE WILL HAVE MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN
THE FIRST 251 MILLION.

AND MAYBE YUAN OR BRADLEY CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.
10:50:27AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SOUNDS LIKE NO MONEY WILL BE LEFT.
10:50:29AM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
CURRENT PHASE OF SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WILL PROVIDE
SIGNIFICANT FLOOD RELIEF FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
IF WE HAVE TO PUT A NUMBER THERE, IT'S ROUGHLY 70%.
THE PHASE TWO, COUNCIL WAS REFERRING TO PALMA CEIA PINES
WILL BE ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENT FOR THE FUTURE PHASE.
10:50:57AM >>BILL CARLSON:
70% IS NORMAL RAIN EVENT, NOT 11 OR 14 --
10:51:03AM >>YUAN LI:
FLOOD RELIEF WE'RE PROVIDING IS ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT'S THE FULL SPECTRUM, STORM EVENT TO THE HUNDRED YEAR.
BECAUSE IT'S ALL ACROSS THE BOARD, WE'LL SEE THE RELIEF.
10:51:18AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL HOLD BACK WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME
TALKING ABOUT THE ENGINEERING PART.
10:51:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALSO, IF STAFF IS ANSWERING, LET THEM
FINISH IN RESPONSE.
THANK YOU.
10:51:32AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CAN I INTERJECT?
I'M WELCOME TO BE CREATED IF I'M NOT RIGHT, BUT I THINK I
AM.
FULL DISCLOSURE, AGAIN, WE ALWAYS WANT COUNCIL'S EYES WIDE
OPEN.
IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE NEXT WATERSHED MASTER PLAN
WILL RECOMMEND OR NECESSITATE AN INCREASE IN THE IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT TO ACCOMPLISH WHATEVER SURFACES FROM THAT MASTER

PLAN, ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:51:57AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:51:58AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PLEASE DON'T.
10:52:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
AGAIN, EYES WIDE OPEN.
10:52:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I'M TRYING TO REVISIT FROM MY MEMORY GOING BACK FROM THE
FIRST TIME I WAS BRIEFED ON SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD PROJECT AND
BEEN CONSISTENTLY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROJECT, IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, BUT
THERE ARE LOTS OF GOOD PROJECTS.
SOMETIMES WE CAN'T AFFORD.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES OF GRANTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOLD ME, THERE WAS SO MUCH -- I DON'T
WANT TO SAY FREE MONEY, OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, AS YOU SAY,
AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT, THE PERCENTAGE.
THE FDEP GRANT, THAT IS AWARDED AND IS IN OUR HANDS AND IN
OUR ACCOUNTS?
10:52:39AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO, SIR.
10:52:39AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
OKAY.
IT'S NOT THERE.
10:52:41AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO, IT IS NOT.
10:52:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE RECEIVING THE $10
MILLION?

10:52:45AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE ARE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, APPLYING AS WE
SPEAK.
10:52:49AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
SO WE HAVE MET WITH THE HEAD OF FLORIDA RESILIENCY GRANTS.
I BELIEVE THAT IS A SECTION -- ACTUALLY, WE DROVE DOWN TO
MARCO ISLAND TO MEET HIM IN PERSON.
HE LAID OUT -- THE FIRST THING HE ANSWERED WAS THAT WE ARE
ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR A FUNDING AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING DEP
GRANT, WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER $10 MILLION.
AND AVAILABLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS $160 MILLION.
WHAT HE HAS ASKED OF US IS TO PROVIDE A CASH FLOW FROM THE
CONTRACTOR SO THAT THE LEGISLATURE CAN CONSIDER PHASING
THOSE GRANTS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
10:53:49AM >>BILL CARLSON:
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE --
10:53:52AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I COULD FINISH.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT REQUEST TO BE AROUND 25 MILLION.
WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED THAT.
THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 10 MILLION.
AND HE SAID THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH SUPPLANTING
CITY MONEY WITH THAT GRANT.
AND BASED ON OUR HISTORY OF SUCCESS WITH GRANTS, AS YOU SAW
WITH BRANDON'S PRESENTATION WITH THE 70 MILLION, WE ARE
CONFIDENT.
NOW, HERE IS THE TIME FRAME.

THE TIME FRAME IS THAT WE NEED TO GET IN THAT FUNDING
AMENDMENT APPLICATION BY SEPTEMBER 1.
AND THEN THE DEP STAFF WILL SCORE THIS PROJECT ALONG WITH
ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
THE LAST TIME, AS YOU'LL REMEMBER WITH THE $10 MILLION, WE
RECEIVED VERY HIGH SCORING BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING THAT
HAPPENED IN '24.
AND WE ARE ABLE TO BEGIN TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, DOWNSTREAM
END OF THAT PROBLEM.
SO WE ANTICIPATE GETTING HIGH SCORING AGAIN.
AND THEN THAT WILL BE SENT TO THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH HAS AN
EARLY SESSION THIS NEXT YEAR.
AND THEY WILL DETERMINE ESSENTIALLY WHERE TO DRAW THAT LINE.
SO, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN GETTING THE 25 MILLION
OVER A PHASED TIME AS WE NEED THE MONEY, AS WE BUILD THIS
PROJECT.
10:55:31AM >> [INAUDIBLE]
10:55:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HOLD ON.
THOSE OF YOU PARTICIPATED IN MY INITIAL BRIEFING ON THIS
PROJECT, HOW IT WAS PRESENTED AT THE TIME, I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY, EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP IN COST.
SO THIS PROJECT HAS REALLY ESCALATED TREMENDOUSLY FROM THE
VERY FIRST TIME IT WAS PRESENTED.
10:55:53AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT HAS.
10:55:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
40% MAYBE?

IT SEEMS TO BE -- 65 TO 100.
10:55:59AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES, 65 TO 93 FOR CONSTRUCTION.
10:56:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
EVEN WHEN IT WAS 65, THE PERCENTAGE OF
OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY THAT WAS PRESENTED INITIALLY WAS
SUBSTANTIAL CHUNK.
I'LL REVISIT THIS BACK TO THE WEST RIVERWALK PROJECT.
I KNOW IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH GRANT
MONEY, IT REALLY MADE IT, TO ME, IT WAS A NO-BRAINER VOTE
BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT WAS FREE MONEY AND OUR PORTION OF IT
WAS FAIR AND MODEST COMPARED TO WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD
WE ABSORBED THE WHOLE COST.
THE PROJECT, I WANT TO MONITOR IT RUNNING THROUGH THE CITY,
A -- CAN'T AFFORD IT.
THIS IS GETTING TO THE POINT THAT AGAIN, WITHOUT THIS
MONEY -- I'VE BEEN REALLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING, WITHOUT
THIS GRANT MONEY AS A GUARANTEE AND WAITING FOR NEXT YEAR
FOR THE LEGISLATURE, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS PROJECT IS VIABLE.
HAVE WE DONE A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES?
LIKE, WHEN DO WE START BUYING HOUSES AND MAKING -- WE'RE
TALKING, IF THIS IS A HUNDRED NOW, NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO
BE 110 OR 120, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE TRAJECTORY WE'RE
ON.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WITH THE OTHER EXTENSION PROCESSES
FROM PALMA CEIA PINES, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE
AT.

WHAT IS THAT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF LIKE, IS THERE OTHER
ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS AT THIS POINT?
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST -- IT JUST SEEMS -- THIS REALLY IS JUST
SNOWBALLED.
I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR FAULT, BECAUSE IT IS THE WORLD, THE WAR
IN IRAQ, CHINA, THE COST OF THINGS, BUT THIS IS GETTING
CRAZY.
10:57:36AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ADDRESS ABOUT SORT OF THE
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED THIS MORNING.
THE FIRST IS THAT A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE THAT WILL COME
IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A VOTE INCORPORATES THE CONTRACTOR'S
ANTICIPATED COST ESCALATIONS THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE
PROJECT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH WOULD THIS COST IF WE CAME
IN FRONT OF YOU NEXT YEAR, IT WOULD BE HIGHER.
BUT IF WE COME IN FRONT OF YOU THIS MONTH AS WE INTEND TO
DO, THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE IS THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
PRICE.
OF COURSE, WITH EVERY PROJECT, THERE ARE WILD UNKNOWNS THAT
COULD COME IN.
BUT GENERALLY, THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE INCLUDES THE
CONTRACTOR'S COST TO BUILD THE PROJECT AS SCOPED AND AS
COMPLETE.
PART OF THE REASON THAT THE INCREASE HAS TRACKED THE WAY IT

HAS FROM 65 TO OUR CURRENT GMP THAT WE INTEND TO BRING TO
YOU OF 93 PLUS OR MINUS, IS THAT THE EXTENSION OF THE PIPE
INTO PALMA CEIA PINES, INTO THE AMI POND TO PROVIDE THAT
FLOOD RELIEF AND THE OPTION FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT WE
MAY CALL PHASE TWO OR MAY CALL A DIFFERENT PROJECT, WAS NOT
INITIALLY CONTEMPLATED IN THAT $65 MILLION.
SO THERE IS A LENGTH OF PIPE THAT WAS ADDED FROM THE
BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION TO NOW.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE INCREASE.
IN TERMS OF WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, OF COURSE, WHEN
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAINFALL EVENTS, THERE IS A VARIATION IN
WHAT YOU MIGHT DESIGN FOR AND WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN AN
EXTREME EVENT.
OFTEN, THIS CONVERSATION HAS COME BACK TO THINGS LIKE
HURRICANE MILTON.
WELL, THAT'S AN OUTLIER EVENT.
WE STILL MODEL IN THE PROCESS OF PROJECT DEVELOPMENT, WHAT A
SYSTEM IN PLACE WOULD DO UNDER THOSE TYPES OF CONDITIONS,
EVEN THOUGH THAT IS NOT OUR BASELINE DESIGN CONDITION.
AS YUAN MENTIONED, WE DO SEE ADDITIONAL FLOOD RELIEF EVEN IN
AN EXTREME EVENT.
WE CANNOT GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF WE'RE DESIGNING FOR A
FIVE-YEAR, EIGHT-HOUR FLOOD EVENT OR RAINFALL EVENT, AS THIS
ONE IS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING IN A
HURRICANE MILTON-LIKE CONDITION.

HOWEVER, WE SEE SIGNIFICANT FLOOD RELIEF EVEN IN THOSE
SIMULATED CONDITIONS.
I KNOW AT TIMES AS WELL, THE CONVERSATION HAS COME BACK TO,
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE NEED TO MAINTAIN?
WHAT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED?
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THERE TO MAINTAIN.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN OUR SIMULATED RESULTS IS THAT THE
FLOODING THAT WE SAW IS WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT WITH A
PERFECTLY MAINTAINED SYSTEM.
THIS MODELING EXERCISE HAS REALLY VERIFIED FOR US THERE'S
NOT A SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE ISSUE CONTRIBUTING TO THE
ONGOING FLOODING THERE.
11:00:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DO APPRECIATE -- AND I UNDERSTAND AND
AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ENGINEER, TOO.
I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS.
IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO, AGAIN -- CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME THE
CAPACITY THAT YOU ATTRIBUTE SOME OF THE GROWTH IN THIS
PROJECT FOR THAT EXTRA EXTENSION INTO PALMA CEIA PINES.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT CAPACITY PROJECT LOOKS LIKE AND
WHAT -- I MEAN, HOW BIG OF A PROJECT IS THAT?
IS IT JUST A NORMAL CULVERT?
IS IT A MASSIVE REENGINEERING?
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
11:01:19AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YUAN MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.

JUST FROM OUR PROJECT WEBSITE, IF WE CAN GET THE WOLF,
BEFORE GETTING INTO WHAT A PHASE TWO MIGHT LOOK LIKE, THIS
IS --
11:01:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M MORE ABOUT PHASE ONE.
11:01:33AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE PRELIMINARY
ENGINEERING REPORT.
THIS DOCUMENT IS ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE.
IF I CAN KEEP IT FROM DIMMING, THIS SHOWS THE ANTICIPATED
FLOOD RELIEF WITH OUR DESIGN STORM UNDER WHAT WE'RE CALLING
PHASE ONE.
AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WOULD A PHASE TWO LOOK LIKE.
PART OF THE REASON FOR MODELING A PHASE TWO IS SO THAT WE
CAN BE SURE TO APPROPRIATELY SIZE WHAT WE'RE BUILDING NOW
FOR POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL EXPANSION.
YOU CAN SEE, HOPEFULLY IT COMES THROUGH WELL ENOUGH FOR YOU.
THOSE AREAS IN PURPLE ARE WHAT WE SEE FLOODED UNDER OUR
DESIGN STORM UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WILL NO LONGER
BE FLOODED WHEN THE CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED PROJECT IS
COMPLETE.
THE BLUE IS WHAT REMAINS AND WHAT A PHASE TWO MAY BE
TARGETED TOWARD IF AND WHEN WE IDENTIFY A NEXT STEP OR
ADDITIONAL PIPES TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
YOU CAN SEE PALMA CEIA PINES DOES SEE FLOOD RELIEF
PARTICULARLY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS PHASE ONE.

IT DOES NOT TAKE CARE OF ALL RIGHT-OF-WAY FLOODING, WHICH IS
WHAT A PHASE TWO WOULD BE DESIGNED TO CAPTURE IF AND WHEN WE
COME TO IT.
BUT IT DOES, AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO REEMPHASIZE, IT DOES
INCLUDE RELIEF WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF PALMA CEIA PINES FOR THE
EXISTING OR CURRENTLY DESIGNED PROJECT.
11:03:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
PART OF YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE COST
ESCALATION IS THAT EXTENSION BETWEEN SWANN AND THE MEMORIAL
POND.
11:03:20AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
CORRECT.
11:03:20AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THAT'S 35 MILLION DOLLARS' WORTH OF --
11:03:24AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
NO.
IT'S PART.
IT'S NOT ALL.
11:03:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
SO THERE'S MORE TO IT?
11:03:28AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
YES.
YUAN, I DON'T KNOW --
11:03:32AM >>YUAN LI:
YES.
IN THE ORIGINAL $65 MILLION COST -- YUAN LI, STORMWATER
SERVICES DIRECTOR.
OUR ORIGINAL $65 MILLION WAS BASED UPON A FEASIBILITY STUDY
IN 2022.
AND PART OF THE STUDY WAS FOCUSED ON THE FLOODING AREA THAT
WE GOT MOST -- ABOUT.
IN THE CONCEPT PLAN TO GET $65 MILLION WAS -- WITH A LIMITED

TRIBUTARY.
BECAUSE THAT IS THE PART THAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE
DETAILED STUDY ON THIS CURRENT DESIGN.
WE IDENTIFIED OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDING ADDITIONAL PATH IN
ADDITION TO THE BOX CULVERTS.
TO ANSWER YOUR EARLIER QUESTION OF TOTAL -- FOR THE CURRENT
DESIGN IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 6,000 LINEAR FOOT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE EXTENDING THIS TRUNK LINE INTO
DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS SO THAT THEY HAVE THE PRESIDENT.
CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO GET
THE WATER OUT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONNECT TO THE LINE TO
GO TO THE BAY.
THAT'S ANOTHER PORTION THAT WE HAVE INCREASED ADDITIONAL
PATHS IN THE CURRENT DESIGN COMPARED TO THE $65 MILLION.
THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THIS PROJECT IS TO BUILD THAT TRUNK
LINE SO THAT WE CAN CONNECT AS MANY NEIGHBORHOODS AS
POSSIBLE SO THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO DRAIN THE WATER.
11:05:19AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE LAST QUESTION.
11:05:23AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THE FIVE MINUTES.
JUST SAYING.
11:05:26AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S NOT ON.
ONE LAST QUESTION AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OFF.
HAS THERE BEEN, AS THIS IS A HUNDRED AND NOW TO COMPLETE
THIS TO PHASE TWO, I DON'T KNOW JUST THROW -- THROW A DART,
40, 50 MILLION DOLLARS, SO $150 MILLION TOTAL PROJECT COST,

HAS THERE BEEN ALTERNATES EXPLORED OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO
BUY HOMES AND BUILD RETENTION PONDS OR OTHER ALTERNATIVES?
WHEN DO WE GET TO A POINT THAT IT IS NOT FINANCIALLY PRUDENT
TO INVEST THIS MUCH MONEY INTO CULVERTS?
11:06:02AM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE IN THE ORIGINAL 2022 FEASIBILITY STUDY ALMOST 20
ALTERNATIVES.
AS PART OF THIS CURRENT DESIGN AND AS WE HAVE BEEN
COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WITH
BUSINESS COMMUNITIES AS WELL, WE EVALUATED ADDITIONAL FIVE
ALTERNATIVES, INCLUDING THE PUMP STATION, INCLUDING THE
PROPERTY ACQUISITION.
WE ENDED UP CONCLUDE, THIS IS THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE AMONG
ALL THE STUDIES.
11:06:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
HAVE YOU EVALUATED PURCHASING HOMES?
11:06:47AM >>YUAN LI:
YES.
11:06:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BUT THAT WAS 2022?
11:06:49AM >>YUAN LI:
NO, CURRENT DESIGN.
11:06:50AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU HAVE EVALUATED THAT IN 2026 NUMBERS?
11:06:54AM >>YUAN LI:
THE ADDITIONAL FIVE ALTERNATIVES.
11:06:55AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CAN YOU E-MAIL ME THE ALTERNATIVES
INCLUDING THE PURCHASING OF HOMES, WHAT IT WOULD COST?
SEND IT TO ALL OF US.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THANK YOU.

COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:07:10AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
COULD I ADD TO THAT BRIEFLY?
THE ALTERNATIVES THAT YUAN MENTIONED THAT WE LOOKED AT
TOWARD THE END DO INCLUDE PONDS WITHIN PARKLAND ESTATES AND
PALMA CEIA PINES.
THIS AGAIN IS A DOCUMENT ON THE SH STORMWATER.COM WEBSITE.
AND IT SHOWS THE AREAS WHERE PONDS COULD BE CONSIDERED AND
THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED TO
IMPLEMENT THOSE SIZES OF PONDS.
THAT DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE.
WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU EITHER AS ITS OWN PDF OR AS A
LINK.
11:07:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M FAMILIAR.
WAS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED?
11:07:51AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
150 MILLION.
11:07:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE COMING TO BASICALLY A BREAK-EVEN
POINT THEN AT TODAY'S CURRENT DOLLARS.
THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
11:08:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE POINT IS, IT WOULDN'T DO PALMA CEIA
PINES, JUST SOUTH HOWARD.
11:08:07AM >>BILL CARLSON:
PROJECT PLANNERS WERE TOLD TO DO THE
PROJECT.
JUST LIKE TOILET TO TAP.
THE ALTERNATIVES WERE BIASED.

11:08:18AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN
YOUNG.
11:08:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SOUTH HOWARD STORMWATER
REPORT?
NO.
I'M NOT DOING FIVE MINUTES IF YOU DIDN'T DO FIVE MINUTES.
I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS --
11:08:32AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'M SORRY.
WOULD YOU LIKE THE GAVEL?
11:08:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
11:08:36AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP AGAIN,
PLEASE?
11:08:40AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE AND CAN WE JUST GO
THROUGH IT?
SECOND SLIDE, PAGE 2.
THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, ALLOCATED 8.4
MILLION, NO MORE.
CAN YOU GO DOWN TO THE SERIES 2021 BOND.
THAT'S WHAT IS LEFT OVER IN THE BOND THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO
THIS.
11:09:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LEFT OVER OR PART OF
THE INITIAL REASON WE BORROWED THE BOND IN 2021.
$8.2 MILLION.
11:09:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
1.9 FOR THE BALANCE IN SERIES 2023.
11:09:12AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.

11:09:13AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT IS THE LOWER PENINSULA REALLOCATION, CAN
YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO US?
11:09:19AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT, ALSO AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS
MacDILL 48.
THERE WAS A JUXTAPOSITION OF FUNDING WHILE WE ISSUED DEBT
FOR THAT PROJECT, THE SERIES 2023, WE ALSO RECEIVED A
SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT.
WAS IT S.W.F.W.M.D. -- OH, FDEP APPEARS AGAIN, ALLOWING US
TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, REALLOCATE THE FUNDING FROM THE LOWER
PENINSULA.
I ALSO BELIEVE AND DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I ALSO
BELIEVE THE PROJECT ITSELF CAME IN LESS THAN ANTICIPATED.
11:09:55AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR RIGHT NOW, AND THIS ALSO GOES TO THE
GRANT BELOW, THESE ARE REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS.
AM I CORRECT THAT THESE ARE REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS?
11:10:08AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
11:10:09AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THAT 10 MILLION WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT
THAT'S NOT IN THE BANK, THE REASON IT'S NOT IN THE BANK IS
BECAUSE THESE ARE REIMBURSABLE.
ONCE WE SPEND THE MONEY, WE CAN BE REIMBURSED, IS THAT
CORRECT?
11:10:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
APOLOGIZE IF I MISCOMMUNICATED. THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BOTH
BY THE ORGANIZATION AND US.

11:10:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE $10 MILLION BELOW, WE WILL GET.
BECAUSE IT IS A REIMBURSABLE GRANT WHICH IS WHAT THE
GOVERNMENT IS KNOWN FOR, WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY FIRST.
11:10:36AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:10:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LOWER PENINSULA REALLOCATION, WE HAVE
ALREADY SPENT THAT MONEY, BUT WE'RE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE IT
BACK BECAUSE WE ALREADY WON THE GRANT.
WHAT WAS THE GRANT FOR?
HOW MUCH MONEY WAS THE GRANT?
11:10:51AM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
TOTAL GRANT FROM FDEP IS $25 MILLION.
THAT'S FOR CONSTRUCTION.
11:10:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
FOR THE LOWER PENINSULA.
11:10:59AM >>YUAN LI:
CORRECT.
11:11:00AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.
25 MILLION.
WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS WE ALREADY PAID THAT, AND SO WE'RE
ASKING FOR IT TO BE -- WE'RE GETTING A REIMBURSEMENT.
11:11:11AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES.
11:11:12AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
HOW FAR ARE WE IN THAT REIMBURSEMENT PROCESS?
11:11:16AM >>YUAN LI:
AGAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION WAS COMPLETED IN MARCH
THIS YEAR, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION
TO PREPARE THE FINAL ORDER.
THIS PROJECT WAS COMPLETED -- AND WE'LL BE PREPARING THE

FINAL CHANGE ORDER AND ALSO FINANCE, REVENUE AND FINANCE
STAFF ARE WORKING TOWARDS A FINAL PROBABLY REIMBURSEMENT
REQUEST TO GET MONEY AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE WHEN THE FINAL
CHANGE ORDER IS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
11:11:48AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE WE WON THE $25 MILLION
GRANT, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY MONEY BACK YET?
11:12:02AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
WE HAVE.
IF YOU WANT AN EXACT AMOUNT --
11:12:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST KIND OF WANTED THE PUBLIC AND FOR US
TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE PUT AN ORDER IN, THEY PAY US BACK.
WE PUT AN ORDER IN, THEY PAY US BACK.
BUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE GRANT UNTIL WHEN?
I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR.
11:12:24AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
PROBABLY COINCIDING IN 2023 WITH THE SERIES
ISSUANCE.
11:12:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE GOT IN 2023.
EITHER WAY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE GOT ABOUT 3.6 OF THAT BACK
ALREADY, IF I'M JUST DOING BACK OF NAPKIN MATH, 3.5?
11:12:44AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER --
11:12:46AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THAT IN TO GET THAT
REALLOCATED OR TO GET THAT PAYMENT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE 21.5 MILLION.
SO THE GRANT STUFF, THIS 50, I NOW UNDERSTAND.
I HOPE THE PUBLIC DOES, TOO.

LET'S LOOK AT THE NEXT PAGE.
JUST BECAUSE I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
WE RECEIVED SOME DOCUMENTATION LATE LAST WEEK THAT THE THEA
EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY'LL END UP
PAYING WILL ONLY BE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS EITHER 2 MILLION
OR 4 MILLION.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT AMOUNT.
DID YOU GET COPIES OF THOSE DOCUMENTS?
11:13:24AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
11:13:26AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DIRECTOR.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY IF WE GOT THE SAME DOCUMENTS OR THINGS
THAT WERE FORWARDED TO YOU.
I CAN SAY THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEA ON AN INTERLOCAL
AGREEMENT FOR $11 MILLION.
WE ARE FINALIZING THAT LANGUAGE, AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING IT
TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF THE GMP APPROVAL.
11:13:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WILL BE A BIG DEAL.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT IF YOU -- DO YOU HAVE THAT AGREEMENT
THAT IT WILL BE A PART OF THE GMP FINALIZATION?
BUT THAT AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON TO BE READY FOR
AUGUST 27 WILL BE FOR $11 MILLION.
11:14:04AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
THAT'S CORRECT.
11:14:05AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION, GET IT
OUT THERE.

MY NEXT -- I'M REALLY SORRY I'M GOING LINE BY LINE, BUT THIS
IS WHAT THE PEOPLE REALLY WANT TO HEAR.
STORMWATER PROJECT REALIGNMENT.
THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON ASKED ABOUT IT.
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG ASKED ABOUT IT.
I THINK EVEN CHAIR CLENDENIN ASKED ABOUT IT.
IT WILL BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET A LINE-BY-LINE AMOUNT AND
THAT IS GREAT.
CAN YOU PULL IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT?
CAN WE SHOW THE WOLF, PLEASE, BECAUSE THEY ARE PUTTING SOME
OF THESE PROJECTS.
JUST PULL IT DOWN A WEE BIT.
WE CAN'T SEE THE TITLE.
THERE YOU GO.
RECENTLY CLOSED STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
EXCELLENT.
IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THE STATUS OF THESE, ABOUT YOU WHAT
THE STATUS DOESN'T INCLUDE IS THE COST.
IF YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GET $10,245,225, IS THERE A
WAY THAT WE COULD GET THAT BREAKDOWN?
11:15:11AM >>YUAN LI:
YES, WE DO.
11:15:19AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REALLY
WONDERFUL IF COUNCIL COULD GET A COPY AND THEN PUT UP FOR
THE PUBLIC TO SEE.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR REALLOCATION.
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO ATTEMPT TO STUDY IT NOW, BUT -- OKAY.
SO WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO LOOK AT
THIS AND SEE.
11:15:46AM >>YUAN LI:
BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE BEEN KEEPING, EVEN THE
PROJECT WAS COMPLETED.
IN THE PROJECT, WE TRY TO KEEP THE PROJECTS IN THE BOOK FOR
AT LEAST FIVE YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE REMAINING BALANCE PARTIALLY DUE TO
OUR EFFICIENCY BECAUSE MANY OF THE PROJECTS WAS CONTRACTED
BY OUR IN-HOUSE CONSTRUCTION TEAM TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY.
WE HAVE THE SAVINGS SO THAT WE HAVE BALANCES.
BUT IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR US TO REVISIT SOME OF THE PROJECTS,
ESPECIALLY SEVERAL YEARS SINCE COMPLETION.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECTS.
11:16:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION, BECAUSE WE HAVE
HEARD, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED ALREADY.
THESE ARE NOT PROJECTS WE'RE TAKING OFF THE BOOKS.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, YES OR NO?
11:16:39AM >>YUAN LI:
I HAVE THIS ONE.
WE HAVE LISTED ALL THE PROJECTS AND WE PUT TOGETHER THE
FIRST SEVEN PROJECTS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS TABLE.
WE MARKED DOWN THE COMPLETION DATE.
EARLIEST COMPLETED SEPTEMBER 2020.
AND MOST RECENT MARCH OF THIS YEAR.

THE BOTTOM TWO, LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STORY.
FOR THE 56th STREET AND BROADWAY AVENUE, WE HAVE CONCEPT
THERE.
AND WE ALSO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE EASEMENT TO BE
ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE CITY PROPERTY, WHERE WE ARE PLANNING
TO DIG A POND, BUT THE OWNER IS NOT WILLING TO GIVE UP THE
EASEMENT TO THE CITY.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON ADJACENT NEIGHBOR AND ALSO OTHER
AGENCIES THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE
FUTURE PLANS.
11:17:41AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PUT THE OTHER SHEET ON TO SEE HOW
MUCH MONEY THAT PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE?
WHERE IS THAT?
CAN YOU POINT THE PROJECT OUT?
56.
SO IT'S A $1 MILLION PROJECT.
AND THEN THE SECOND PROJECT THAT YOU SAID, IS THAT THE
NEPTUNE WAY?
11:18:00AM >>YUAN LI:
YES.
THIS ONE, BECAUSE WE GOT A -- FROM A SINGLE NEIGHBOR.
HIS FLOODING PROBLEM WAS RESOLVED AS PART OF THE BEACH PARK
PROJECT COMPLETED.
ALSO TECHNICAL SURVEY.
SHOWING A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS IF WE DO PROPOSED ACTIONS.
WE COMMUNICATED WITH THIS NEIGHBOR AND NO FURTHER ACTIONS

THAT HE WAS WILLING TO DO.
11:18:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE'LL MOVE.
11:18:35AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION FOR DENNIS, JUST
THE LAST ONE, THE STORMWATER BONDS.
THE DEBT RECLASSIFICATION.
11:18:47AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH A SERIES ISSUED IN 2016 FOR CASS
STREET BRIDGE AND BROREIN STREET BRIDGE.
11:18:58AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CASS AND BROREIN.
BRIDGES.
OKAY.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND
THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING $25 MILLION POSSIBLE IN GRANTS.
11:19:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES -- NO, NO, NO, MA'AM.
EXCUSE ME.
THAT'S ONE OF THE CLARIFICATIONS I WANTED TO MAKE.
THIS FUNDING PLAN WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS EXCLUSIVE OF ANY
OTHER GRANT FUNDING.
11:19:27AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SINCE THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION, IS THERE ANY
OTHER WAY TO FUND THIS EITHER THAN -- OTHER THAN USING THE
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT?
11:19:39AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THERE IS.
WE COULD TAP THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX, THE RENEWAL
THAT'S FORTHCOMING.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS ANTICIPATED

ALMOST $800 MILLION FROM THAT PARTICULAR TAX, AND WE'VE
SEGMENTED IT BY CATEGORY.
FOR INSTANCE, THE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY CATEGORY IS, I
THINK, $191 MILLION.
WE COULD ALSO, OF COURSE, TAKE IT FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
THE GENERAL FUND IS ALWAYS A FUNDING OPTION.
11:20:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I'LL MOVE ON TO COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
11:20:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO --
11:20:24AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, MA'AM.
BUT ANOTHER POTENTIAL OPTION, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING
IT, BUT I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED WAS ADDITIONAL BONDING.
ADDITIONAL FINANCING.
THANK YOU.
11:20:34AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
SO I HAVE A QUESTION.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE -- SO ON THIS ONE PRESENTATION, IT SAYS
THE CURRENT STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ESTIMATED
CONSTRUCTION COST 93 MILLION.
AND THEN ON HERE, SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF FUNDING PLAN 100
MILLION.
11:20:57AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:20:58AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
WHY ARE THESE NUMBERS DIFFERENT?
11:21:01AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THE FIRST NUMBER?
11:21:04AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
93 MILLION, 100 MILLION.
11:21:06AM >>YUAN LI:
THAT'S CONSTRUCTION.
AND IN THE TITLE WE HAVE THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION FUNDING.

7.7 IS FROM THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING.
11:21:21AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
MY NEXT QUESTION, I THINK CHAIR CLENDENIN
TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO, LIKE, ASK THE QUESTION TO REALLY GET,
OKAY, WHERE IS THIS REALLOCATION FROM?
WHERE IS THIS FROM?
LIKE, TO GET THE ACTUAL BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE
COMING FROM, IF YOU WOULD JUST PUT THAT IN THERE ALREADY,
BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T ASK, THEN YOU ALL WOULD NOT TELL US AND
WE WOULDN'T KNOW.
THAT EXPLANATION THAT WE NEED, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THIS.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS, THE SLIDE THAT YOU JUST PUT UP THAT
HAD THE PROJECTS, TWO PIECES OF PAPER YOU PUT UP.
IT HAD THE PROJECTS FOR THE REALLOCATIONS.
NO, THE OTHER ONE.
ONE YOU PUT ON BEFORE THAT, SAID PROJECT COMPLETED.
YES, THIS.
IS THIS A PART OF ANOTHER PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL WILL
GIVE LATER?
11:22:36AM >>YUAN LI:
WE, CAN DEFINITELY BE UPLOADED TO OnBase.
11:22:40AM >>NAYA YOUNG:
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHY DOES STUFF COME TO US HERE NOW, TODAY.
ALL OF THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE SHARING WITH US, WE
SHOULD HAVE PRIOR TO.

AND WHEN WE HAVE TO GET UP HERE AND THEN, LIKE, EVEN ONCE
YOU PUT IT UP, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID, OKAY, GIVE US ALL A
SECOND, WE HAVE TO DIGEST THIS.
WE HAVE TO DIGEST SO MUCH INFORMATION IN 30 SECONDS SITTING
RIGHT HERE.
ALL OF THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULDN'T GET
ON THE DAY OF.
THEN YOU COME TO US AND SAY WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS IN BY
SEPTEMBER 1st.
YOU COME IN AND RAILROAD US AND DON'T GIVE US ANY
INFORMATION.
LIKE, GIVE US THE INFORMATION BEFOREHAND SO WE'RE NOT
SITTING HERE HAVING TO ASK FOR THESE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU WERE SITTING UP HERE AND THIS WAS YOUR FIRST TIME
SEEING THIS WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE REALLOCATION
IS COMING FROM?
WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE TAKING THE MONEY FROM,
WHAT PROJECT?
YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION.
THEN WE HAVE TO SIT UP HERE AND SCRAMBLE AND WRITE ALL THIS
DOWN.
CAN YOU SEND US THIS, SEND US THAT?
JUST GIVE US THE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU ALL.
I'M NOT YELLING AT YOU ALL, BUT IT'S FRUSTRATING TO TAKE IN
EVERYTHING WHILE YOU'RE SITTING HERE.

IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE BUDGET.
OUR JOB IS THE BUDGET.
OUR LITERAL JOBS ARE THE BUDGET.
AND YET WE HAVE TO SIT HERE AND READ FRICKIN' FOUR-POINT
FONT.
THAT'S INSANE.
IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME SO
WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, GRANTED,
WE MAY STILL NOT AGREE WITH IT, BECAUSE I STILL DON'T AGREE
WITH THE PROJECT BUT AT LEAST GIVE ME THE INFORMATION
BEFOREHAND SO WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT
BECAUSE THAT IS FRUSTRATING.
11:24:19AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
IF I MAY ADDRESS VERY BRIEFLY, OF
COURSE, OUR ANTICIPATION IS TO DISCUSS THE SOUTH HOWARD
PROJECT IN DEPTH AT ANOTHER MEETING.
OUR INTENT TODAY WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET ON A HIGH
LEVEL TO GET INTO THOSE REAL DETAILED EXPLANATIONS ON SOUTH
HOWARD, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL BRIEFING WITH
YOU AS LONG AS IT NEEDS TO BE IN ADVANCE OF THE
CONSIDERATION, THE ACTION ITEM ON SOUTH HOWARD.
HAPPY TO DO SO.
11:24:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
BRANDON, BUT WE KNOW THIS IS -- I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND IT HAS -- THIS
IS THE STORMWATER WORKSHOP TO HAVE THESE KIND OF OPEN AND
HONEST DISCUSSIONS.

THIS IS REALLY THE TIME TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE, I
MEAN, IT IS THE DARK CLOUD LOOMING OVER THE 2027 BUDGET
REALLY FROM STORMWATER.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:25:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AS YOU SIT HERE AND LISTEN AND JUST OBSERVE, REMINDS ME OF
SOMETHING BACK IN THE MID '70s, 50 YEARS AGO.
A PROJECT CALLED, IF MY MIND SERVES ME RIGHT, 29th STREET
WATER OUTFALL PROJECT UNDER MAYOR POE.
THAT PROJECT WAS COMPETING WITH ANOTHER PROJECT AND
WELLSWOOD CALLED ERNA STREET.
A NICE STREET THAT CROSSED FROM ABOUT ARMENIA HEADING TO THE
WEST SIDE OF WELLSWOOD IN THROUGH THERE BEFORE TAMPA
CATHOLIC SCHOOL ABOUT FIVE OR SIX BLOCKS AWAY FROM ARMENIA
HEADING ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THAT PROJECT WAS FLOODING NOT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSES, AND
NOT THE HOUSES, BUT THERE WAS A DITCH THERE THAT WAS SO BIG
STARTED WITH 8-FOOT, 10-FOOT, 12-FOOT, 15, GOT ABOUT 18,
20-FOOT WIDE AND ABOUT 10-FOOT DEEP.
EVERY SO OFTEN HAD TO MOVE THE BACKYARD FENCE BECAUSE IT WAS
EATING THE FENCE AND DROPPING INTO THE DITCH.
THE MONEY DEBATED BY THE COUNCIL THEN AND YOU CAN CHECK ME
OUT.
I HOPE I'M RIGHT, 29th STREET WATER OUTFALL PROJECT.
FORGET HOW MANY MILLIONS.

MAYOR POE SAID WE HAVE TO DO THE 29th STREET PROJECT
FIRST.
COUNCIL PASSED THAT AND DID THAT.
CALLED ME IN THE OFFICE AND SAID THERE'S $900,000 LEFT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE FIGURE WAS.
HE SAID LET'S GO LOOK AT THAT ERNA DRIVE.
THEY FIXED THAT.
ERNA DRIVE WAS DONE IN WELLSWOOD BECAUSE OF MAYOR POE.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I REMEMBER.
AND THIS PROJECT IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT.
MUCH GREATER THAN THAT.
MUCH MORE PUBLICIZED THAN THAT.
AND THESE ARE THE THINGS DONE IN GOVERNMENT.
ARE WE RIGHT ALL THE TIME?
ONLY TIME WILL TELL.
HOWEVER, THERE'S MUCH MORE IN THE BUDGET THAT WILL HAPPEN
TODAY THAT WILL AFFECT SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU CANNOT DO THIS AND PAY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUILDING YEAR
IN AND YEAR OUT, WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD AND YOU
HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT.
GIVE AWAY A LOT OF YOUR TAX MONEY.
I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK YOU CAN
FIGURE IT OUT.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S FULL OF SHIT IS WHAT IT IS.

AND I DON'T MIND SAYING IT TO THEM PERSONALLY, TO THE MEDIA
PERSONALLY, OR TO ANY INDIVIDUAL PERSONALLY.
ANYTIME THEY WANT TO DEBATE ME ON THAT PROJECT, HERE I AM.
THANK YOU.
11:27:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:27:44AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ALWAYS HARD TO FOLLOW CHARLIE.
11:27:48AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS SPEECHLESS FOR A MINUTE THERE.
11:27:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I'LL SAY ONE THING, THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF
DON'T LIKE TO ADMIT THAT THEY WERE WRONG, BUT SHE NEEDS TO
COME OUT ON THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT AND SAY "I WAS WRONG."
EITHER SHE WAS MISLED BY PEOPLE WHO WANTED THIS PROJECT.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT CAME IN WITH A LINE DRAWN, AND
I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THE PROJECT.
THERE WAS A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME FROM THE BEGINNING ON WHAT
THIS SHOULD BE.
IT WAS WRONG.
I'VE TALKED TO ENGINEERS ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND ANYBODY WHO
IS NOT PAID BY THE CITY THINKS THIS IS CATASTROPHIC, IT'S SO
BAD.
COULD WE GO BACK.
WHERE IS THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE APPROVED BUDGET?
DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT?
SOURCES OF FUNDING.
11:28:38AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THAT WOULD BE MY PRESENTATION IN THE BACK

THERE.
SOUTH HOWARD.
11:28:44AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CITY SOUTH HOWARD PRESENTATION.
11:28:50AM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE?
SO WHEN WE FIRST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS
ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, SOME PEOPLE ARE SLANDERING
US IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE ADMINISTRATION BY SAYING
WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT IT TEN YEARS, WHICH IS COMPLETELY FALSE.
WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AFTER THE STORMS.
WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, THE THEN HEAD OF MOBILITY AND
STORMWATER DEPARTMENT CAME BEFORE US AND SAID THE EXPRESSWAY
AUTHORITY MONEY WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
WELL, THE NEIGHBORS IN PARKLAND ESTATES PULLED PUBLIC
RECORDS AND FOUND OUT THAT THE BOARD HAD NOT EVEN DISCUSSED
IT YET.
IT WAS COMPLETELY FALSE.
SO FOLKS WONDER WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATION
TELLING THE TRUTH, WELL, WHAT THEY SAID ISN'T TRUE.
THIS SAYS REQUIRING APPROVAL, NOW, FINALLY, IT'S ON THE
RIGHT SLIDE.
CAN YOU GO BACK?
YOU COULD LISTEN TO THE ARGUMENTS SAYING THE FDEP GRANT IS
APPROVED, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT.
IT'S KIND OF IN THE SAME POSITION AS THE THEA GRANT.
AND JUST THE MERE FACT THIS SAYS APPROVED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S

NOT, SHOULD ALLOW ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AND IN THE PUBLIC
TO SEE WHY I DON'T TRUST THE ADMINISTRATION TO PRESENT
INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T TRUST INDIVIDUALS; I JUST DON'T TRUST
THE ADMINISTRATION.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THIS PROJECT, I HOPE YOU WILL
SEE WHY WE DON'T TRUST THEM.
WE KNOW FROM TALKING TO INSIDERS THAT PALMA CEIA PINES WAS
NEVER INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.
THAT'S WHY IT WAS AN ADD-ON.
SOMEONE JUST ADMITTED IT FROM THE PODIUM A FEW MINUTES AGO.
SO THE POLITICAL PEOPLE AND COMMUNICATION PEOPLE IN THE CITY
WHIPPED UP PALMA CEIA PINES PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND
TEARFULLY ASK TO PROTECT THEM WHEN THE MAYOR HAD NO
INTENTION FROM THE BEGINNING OF EVER PROTECTING THEM.
ONLY WHEN WE ON CITY COUNCIL DEMANDED THAT THE
ADMINISTRATION INCLUDE PALMA CEIA PINES THAT A COUPLE OF
WEEKS LATER THEY INCLUDED ONE LITTLE PIPE.
GUESS WHAT, THE PIPE GOES TO THE BOTTOM OF THE AMI POND AND
THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH HYDROLOGY OF
THE SITUATION IS THAT THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL, HABANA AND
HORATIO, I FORGOT EXACTLY, FOUR TO SIX FEET BLOW THE BOTTOM
OF THE AMI POND.
HOW DOES THE WATER GET FROM THE FLOODED AREA TO THERE?
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THERE'S BLUE FLOODING IN PHASE TWO,

STILL GOING TO FLOOD THE HOUSES AT THAT CORNER AND OTHER
PLACES.
WE CAN GO THROUGH AND SHOW THAT.
JEAN DUNCAN WHO WAS HERE SAID, YES, IT WILL FLOOD IT.
SOME OF THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WHIPPED UP BY THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE, YEAH, ONLY FLOOD FOUR INCHES INSTEAD OF 18
INCHES.
I TALKED TO ENGINEERS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT HAVE SOLUTIONS
THAT WOULD BE CHEAPER AND FASTER AND NOT LET THEM FLOOD EVEN
FOUR INCHES.
WHY AREN'T WE PUSHING -- WHY ARE WE PUSHING SOMETHING
EXPENSIVE THAT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER PROJECTS BECAUSE
SOMEBODY HAD A HAREBRAINED IDEA TO BUILD THIS?
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HYDROLOGY OF THE SITUATION.
THE REALITY IS THE WATER AND THE BOWL IN PALMA CEIA PINES
FILLS UP AND THEN POURS INTO PARKLAND ESTATES.
THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS, BUT THAT'S WHAT IS
HAPPENING.
WHY IF SOMEBODY DOING THE HYDROLOGY DIDN'T THEY LOOK AT IT
BEFORE?
HOW DO I KNOW THAT?
BECAUSE THERE ARE DOCUMENTS AND PUBLIC RECORDS GOING BACK TO
THE 1980s THAT PROVED THAT.
THE CITY KNEW FOR 40 OR MORE YEARS THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES SO PARKLAND ESTATES WOULD

NOT FLOOD.
SOMEBODY HAD THE CRAZY IDEA TO BUILD THIS AND THEY THOUGHT
IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
WHY ELSE DO WE NOT TRUST THE ADMINISTRATION?
WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WAS LOOKING AT TOILET TO TAP EIGHT
YEARS AGO, WE ASKED THEM WHY THEY HAD NOT DONE ALTERNATIVES,
AND THEY WENT BACK AND SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS AND DID
ALTERNATIVES, AND WE FOUND -- THE ONLY ALTERNATIVES THEY DID
WERE THE FOUR THAT I SUGGESTED WHICH SHOWED THAT AN ENGINEER
DID NOT LOOK AT IT AND OBJECTIVELY LOOK AT IT.
AND THE ONE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST ALTERNATIVE ENDED
UP BEING THE MOST EXPENSIVE.
HOW DOES THAT HAPPENING?
EVERYTHING IN A MODEL AND ENGINEERING OR ANYTHING ELSE IS
BASED ON THE MODEL AND THE PREJUDICE OR BIAS THAT YOU PUT IN
IT.
THIS CLEARLY HAD A BIAS TOWARD A CERTAIN SOLUTION IN THE
BEGINNING.
THERE WAS NO INTENTION OF TAKING A SERIOUS LOOK AT ANY OF
THE ALTERNATIVES.
AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF ALTERNATIVES.
THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY, NEW STYLES.
WE NEED TO HAVE THIS ADMINISTRATION ADMIT THAT THEY WERE
WRONG.
THEY NEED TO STOP THIS PROJECT AND ALLOW US TO MOVE ON.

THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED THAT ARE NOT BEING
FUNDED BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THIS MAYOR WILL NOT BE IN OFFICE WHEN PALMA CEIA PINES
AND PARKLAND ESTATES FLOODS AFTER WE SPEND $150 MILLION.
OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT
FLOODED DESPITE HOWEVER MUCH CHAOS THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
WHIPPED UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THANK YOU.
11:33:07AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GOT ONE MORE THING, TOO.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, DENNIS, MR. ROGERO, THIS SLIDE, PUT THE SLIDE UP THAT
THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT ON THE PUBLIC MONITORS, PLEASE.
THIS IS KIND OF THE CRUX I'M GOING TO.
THIS GRANT THING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THIS DOES LEAD SOMEONE
TO BELIEVE THAT THAT GRANT IS APPROVED --
11:33:31AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
IT IS.
11:33:31AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
AND MY FIRST BRIEFING, I'M TRYING TO
REMEMBER, BUT IT WAS SOMEWHERE IT SEEMED LIKE I WAS BRIEFED
THAT 30 OR 40 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE PAID
FOR BY OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
THIS IS PART OF WHERE I'M FEELING A LITTLE SNOOKERED ON THIS
THING.
I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE ABOUT THE REALLOCATION.
THAT'S NOT FREE MONEY.

THAT'S MONEY WE'RE PAYING INTEREST ON.
MONEY WE ALREADY BORROWED ON.
THAT'S TRANSFERRING FROM ONE LOAN TO ANOTHER, ONE LOAN TO
THIS PROJECT, SO THAT'S NOT FREE MONEY.
THAT'S MONEY THAT IS COSTING US MONEY.
ALL BORROWED MONEY, RIGHT?
ALL THAT REALLOCATED MONEY FOR THE MOST PART IS BORROWED
MONEY.
11:34:14AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NOT ALL OF IT.
11:34:15AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHAT ISN'T BORROWED?
11:34:18AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT ITEMIZATION
WHAT'S BORED BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.
11:34:22AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNLESS GENERAL FUND BORROWED.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY MAGIC FAIRY OR MAGIC GOOSE LAYING GOLDEN
EGGS.
IF IT'S NOT GENERAL FUND, IT'S BORROWED.
11:34:33AM >>BILL CARLSON:
POINT OF ORDER.
I'LL HAVE TO STEP OUT FOR A FEW MINUTES BUT I'LL BE WATCHING
AND LISTENING TO THE MEETING.
11:34:43AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT WOULD BE POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.
11:34:52AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
THANK YOU, MR. PERRY.
APPROXIMATELY 3.3 MILLION OF THAT IS NOT BONDED.
IT IS FROM THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT.
11:34:59AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THE OTHER THING, JUST TO SET THIS RIGHT, SOMETHING THAT

COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE
MAYOR HAS SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
ALLEVIATE THE STREET FLOODING.
THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT BUILT TO ALLEVIATE STREET FLOODING.
WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
SO IF ANYBODY THINKS -- I KNOW WE GET A LOT OF PICTURES OF
PEOPLE SHOWING US PICTURES OF STREET FLOODING.
THAT'S WELCOME TO LIVING IN A TROPICAL DELUGE ENVIRONMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE STREET FLOODING WHEN WE HAVE
THESE MAJOR RAINSTORMS.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS HOW MANY HOUSES WE CAN SAVE AND
HOW MANY BUSINESSES WE CAN SAVE AND KEEP WATER FROM
PENETRATING AND WHAT THAT COST IS.
AGAIN, I'M STARTING TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT
OF WHERE DO WE FIND THAT BALANCE OF COST VERSUS BENEFIT AND
THE ROI ON IT?
I THINK WE'RE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
11:35:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THANK YOU.
SO I WANT TO JUST SOLVE THIS GRANT THING.
CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THAT BACK UP?
BECAUSE I THINK -- BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE FDEP GRANT RESILIENT FLORIDA 1A HAS ALREADY BEEN
APPROVED.
11:36:15AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.

11:36:16AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE REASON IT'S NOT IN OUR BANK ACCOUNT IS
BECAUSE IT IS A REIMBURSABLE GRANT.
11:36:21AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
YES, MA'AM.
11:36:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS IT REIMBURSABLE ONLY FOR CONSTRUCTION?
11:36:25AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I BELIEVE SO.
11:36:26AM >> YES.
11:36:26AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YES.
WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT MONEY UNTIL WE'VE SPEND THAT
MONEY.
11:36:32AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
ALL BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION,
YES, MA'AM.
11:36:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR FOLKS.
11:36:36AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DOESN'T EXPIRE?
11:36:37AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
NO.
11:36:38AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
NO.
11:36:39AM >>YUAN LI:
NO.
CURRENTLY, THE EXPIRATION DATE IS JUNE 2027.
YES, WE CAN AMEND.
11:36:51AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WE'LL GET IT.
11:36:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF
THEM COME FORWARD BEFORE TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCES.
I THINK THAT WE'RE WASTING TIME ON THE GRANT, BECAUSE THE
GRANT BELONGS TO US.
THEY WILL CONTINUE IT --
11:37:11AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
UNTIL 2027, NOT GUARANTEED.

11:37:14AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF WE START DIGGING -- I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'VE
DONE THIS WITH OTHER.
WE DID THIS WITH THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER
PROJECT.
11:37:24AM >>DENNIS ROGERO:
I WAS GOING TO SAY, THIS IS STANDARD FOR
THESE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS.
11:37:29AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE DOING
IT.
CAN I GO BACK TO ACTUAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION?
ARE WE DONE WITH SOUTH HOWARD RIGHT NOW?
11:37:38AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS?
LET'S PUT A PIN IN SOUTH HOWARD.
DANA, ARE YOU GLAD YOU ARE SITTING IN ON THIS MEETING?
11:37:47AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CAN YOU PLEASE PUT UP THE CITY'S
PRESENTATION?
FY '26 STORMWATER PROJECTS PAGE, AGAIN, THERE ARE NO PAGE
NUMBERS.
WHILE THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND THAT PAGE, MR. CAMPBELL, CAN
YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, IT SAYS THERE ARE THREE ONGOING
CONSTRUCTION PROBLEMS.
ONE PROJECT -- NOT PROBLEMS.
ALTHOUGH THAT'S WHAT WAS IN MY HEAD.
BECAUSE THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS FLOODING RELIEF
PROJECT HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL.
I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR FOUR YEARS NOW.

AND THAT'S PART OF FLORIDA AVENUE IS STILL NOT REPAVED.
CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT EXACTLY -- YOU NEED TO GO BACK,
BY THE WAY, PERSON WHO IS DOING THIS --
11:38:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
LIKE FIVE BEFORE.
11:38:54AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH, IT'S BACKWARD.
RIGHT THERE.
YOU JUST PASSED IT.
RIGHT THERE.
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IS LEFT IN THE SOUTHEAST
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER -- OR FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT?
11:39:04AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I'LL DEFER TO YUAN TO TALK ABOUT THE
REMAINING SCOPE ITEMS.
11:39:09AM >>YUAN LI:
YEAH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE SET AS PROJECTED
COMPLETING.
I WILL SAY SIGNIFICANTLY THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A TINY PATH ALONG FLORIDA AND NEBRASKA
THAT WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH F.D.O.T. TO GET THEIR
FINAL APPROVAL.
WE JUST HAD MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO, AND THEY ACCEPTED OR
PROPOSED PLAN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE CONTRACTOR BACK TO --
THEY WILL MOBILIZE THEIR STAFF IN THIS -- AND COMPLETE THE
REMAINING TASKS THAT WE CAN RAMP UP THIS PROJECT FINALLY.
11:39:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IS ONE OF THOSE TASKS FINALLY PUTTING THE
FINAL LAYER OF PAVEMENT ON?
11:40:00AM >>YUAN LI:
YES, ABSOLUTELY.

11:40:01AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SEMINOLE HEIGHTS HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THAT
FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
DOWN TO THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF, YOU MENTIONED
MULTIPLE TIMES IF THERE IS A COMMUNITY MEETING TOMORROW, BUT
YOU HAVE NEGLECTED TO MENTION WHERE OR WHEN.
11:40:14AM >>YUAN LI:
IT IS TOMORROW ON TAMPA BAPTIST CHURCH AT 6 P.M.
11:40:22AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHAT CHURCH?
11:40:24AM >>YUAN LI:
BAYSHORE BAPTIST CHURCH.
11:40:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
ANYONE HAVE AN ADDRESS?
11:40:31AM >> CORNER OF MacDILL AND MORRISON.
11:40:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
AGAIN, I JUST REALLY THINK THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW.
MORRISON AND MacDILL AT 6 P.M.?
11:40:44AM >>YUAN LI:
YES.
11:40:45AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
GREAT.
THANK YOU.
11:40:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
JUST FYI, AFTER COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK
FINISHES, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:40:52AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
TWO MORE PAGES PAST IS WHERE IT SAYS
STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
LOVELY LITTLE MAP.
SO IF WE COULD PUT THIS UP.
IT SAYS WE'VE RECEIVED $70 MILLION IN GRANTS TO DATE.
IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF WE COULD FIND OUT HOW MANY
GRANTS WE'VE RECEIVED FOR EACH, IF WE COULD --

11:41:15AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I'VE ALREADY NOTED.
IT'S FORTHCOMING.
11:41:20AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MY NEXT QUESTION WAS ALREADY ANSWERED.
CAN YOU GO TO THE FY '26-27 OPERATING BUDGET?
TWO MORE PAGES.
IT'S GOT THE WHEELS.
THERE YOU GO.
PIE CHARTS.
CAN YOU TALK TO WHY WE'RE REDUCING THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT?
11:41:42AM >>YUAN LI:
YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
BECAUSE WE HAD TWO PURCHASE DURING FISCAL YEAR 26.
SECOND -- LATER, AND THEN WE ARE ALSO RECEIVING THE SECOND
TV TRACK.
REDUCED $6 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 27.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE --
11:42:08AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WE HAVE NO PURCHASES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE
GOING TO NEED IN 2027 AT ALL?
11:42:14AM >>YUAN LI:
THAT'S CORRECT.
11:42:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT -- AND -- SO MY
BIG CONCERN ABOUT THIS BUDGET OVERALL IS THAT WE'RE REDUCING
IT.
TWO MORE PAGES IS THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS.
AGAIN, I'M CONCERNED, I KNOW WE HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE
4 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CONTINUING THAT.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
THINGS ARE JUST GOING TO INCREASE.
$1.2 MILLION OF INTEREST, MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT FOR THE
FOUR BOND SERVICES?
1.2 MILLION.
OR THAT'S INTEREST OR REVENUE, BUT WHERE IS THAT REVENUE
COMING FROM?
11:43:03AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
FROM THE MONEY THAT'S JUST SITTING IN
THERE.
11:43:05AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEBT, I
HAVE TO COME UP AND SPEAK.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER GASB 96, GASB 96 TREATS ANY LONG-TERM
LEASE OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT AS A DEBT AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS
FOR.
11:43:28AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL.
AND THE VERY NEXT PAGE IS CHALLENGES AND NEXT STEPS.
I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A LONG
CONVERSATION AS A CITY AND AS A COMMUNITY.
REGULATORY CHANGES AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING SUCH
STORMWATER PROBLEMS, AT WHAT POINT DO WE TRY TO HARNESS ANY
OF THE STORMWATER FOR WATER USAGE?
THAT'S A REALLY BIG GIANT LIKE OVERARCHING ISSUE.
AND IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SOLVED NOW.
BUT WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS I WAS THINKING ABOUT MY

RAIN BARRELS IN MY YARD AND ALL THE THINGS I'M DOING TO
COLLECT WATER AND USE IT.
AT SOME POINT, THE STATE IS GOING TO REGULATE US TRYING TO
FIND A BETTER WAY TO USE SOME OF THE STORMWATER INSTEAD OF
JUST DUMPING IT INTO THE BAY.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAVE WE EVEN -- LIKE, WHERE ARE WE IN THE
CONSIDERATION OF THAT?
11:44:32AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE
AND MOBILITY.
SO STATEWIDE, THERE IS A SHIFT GOING ON IN THE LAST FIVE
YEARS FOR AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY TO NOT ONLY TAKE
FINISHED WATER AND PUT IT DOWN FOR STORAGE, BUT TO TAKE
STORMWATER AND PUT IT DOWN FOR STORAGE.
I SEE THAT AS THE SOLUTION FOR THE NEXT FEW DECADES.
AND THE PERMITTING FROM DEP, THEY HAVE ALREADY PERMITTED
SEVERAL PLACES IN THE EASTERN HALF OF FLORIDA TO DO JUST
THAT.
THE SOLUTION IS RIGHT THERE.
11:45:15AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE BECAUSE
WHAT I'LL PROBABLY ASK FOR IS A WORKSHOP, A PRESENTATION ON
THIS TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR SO WE CAN START HAVING THE
CONVERSATION AS A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE
CHEAP EITHER.
11:45:31AM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO.
AND RIGHT NOW, A BIG CAVEAT TO THAT, RIGHT NOW TO MEET

SENATE BILL 64, TO ELIMINATE THOSE RECLAIMED WATER
DISCHARGES, THE DRILLERS ARE BOOKED UP FOR A COUPLE OF
YEARS.
THIS WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SENATE BILL 64 HAS BEEN
TAKEN CARE OF STATEWIDE.
AND THEN WE COULD MOVE INTO STORMWATER STORAGE.
11:45:56AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
OKAY.
I MEAN, THERE IS OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IN THE MEANTIME
TO, LIKE, STORE SOME --
11:46:05AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THIS IS 27 BUDGET.
11:46:07AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I KNOW.
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.
I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. PERRY.
WE HAVE $10.7 MILLION WE ARE TRANSFORMING THE STORMWATER
DEBT SERVICE.
WHEN ARE WE DONE PAYING OFF THAT DEBT?
11:46:25AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
MIKE PERRY, D-CFO.
ALL THREE DEBT SERVICES WILL BE PAID OFF IN MAY OF 2046.
11:46:34AM >>LYNN HURTAK:
MAY 2046.
11:46:37AM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
COINCIDENTALLY WHEN THE STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT ENDS, THE 30-YEAR ASSESSMENT.
11:46:42AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
ALMOST LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY.
[ LAUGHTER ]
OKAY.

WE NEED THAT IN A TIKTOK RIGHT THERE.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
I'M SORRY.
11:46:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AM I THAT HANDSOME?
11:46:57AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
11:46:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW YOU CAN'T.
I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
HERE ARE MY GLASSES.
FURTHERMORE, BRAD BAIRD AND I JUST LAST WEEK HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH MS. HURTAK JUST TALKING ABOUT, INVENTING
DIFFERENT THINGS AND HOW TO DO THINGS, INCLUDING WHEN THE
DRAINAGE WATER GOES INTO THE WATER CANAL THERE, WHY IS IT --
BACKS UP, BACKS UP BECAUSE GARBAGE GETS INSIDE OF IT.
HOW DO WE TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT BEFORE IT GETS IN TO LET THE
WATER PASS.
AND WE WERE THINKING, YOU ARE AN ENGINEER, TRY TO FIGURE IT
OUT MATHEMATICALLY OR BUILD SOMETHING AND GET IT DONE,
INVENT SOMETHING TO GET IT BETTER.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ABOUT AN HOUR THE OTHER DAY.
HIS BIRTHDAY WAS LAST WEEK, I THINK IT WAS.
I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU HIS AGE, MUCH YOUNGER THAN ME,
HOWEVER I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE HE HIT THAT BARRIER
WHERE HE CAN LEAVE NEXT YEAR AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE A
GENTLEMAN WHO IS NOT ONLY A GREAT PERSON AND GREAT WORKER
BUT HAS THE HISTORY AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR

MANY, MANY YEARS.
HE STARTED WAY BACK AND WORKED HIS WAY, TO FIVE DIFFERENT
NOW POSITIONS AND HANDLED THEM --
11:48:02AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BRAD.
11:48:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE SAME BRAD, YES, SIR.
I WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT HIM UNLESS HE WAS HERE BECAUSE I DON'T
TALK BEHIND PEOPLE'S BACKS.
THAT'S HOW I AM.
HOWEVER -- THE PROBLEM IS THIS, WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT,
THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICING OF VEHICLES, SPIDER ALONE COST
600,000.
ANOTHER COMING ABOARD AND BREAKING DOWN.
MAYBE NEED ANOTHER ONE.
WHEN YOU DO THE PAVING, OWN PAVERS NOW.
USED TO BE -- GAVE IT TO SOME DEVELOPER -- NOT DEVELOPER,
INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK IN THE AREA TO PROCESS AND DO THE
PAVING AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB.
YOU TOOK IT UPON YOURSELF TO MAKE IT BETTER AND CHEAPER.
BOUGHT ONE OR TWO EQUIPMENT, I FORGET WHICH, TWO, RIGHT?
11:48:53AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE ADDED ONE AND REPLACED THE OTHER.
11:48:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU'RE DOING THAT ON YOUR OWN.
HOW MANY MILES DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?
11:49:01AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 1200 CENTER LINE
MILES.
11:49:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE PROBLEM IS PAVE --

11:49:09AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
TALK ABOUT PAVING NEXT.
11:49:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU CAN PAVE FROM NOW UNTIL I GROW HAIR.
MATHEMATICAL THING, PAY 12 YEARS LATER, YOU HAVE TO FILL
POTHOLES BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WE HAVE NOW, WE
DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE '70s, '60s, '80s, '90s.
HAVE IT NOW.
TRUCKS BECOME HEAVIER.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THE CITY VERY HARD TO FIX.
WORKING ON IT, DOING IT OURSELVES, LOWERING THE COST,
BUILDING NEW ROADS, NOT AS FAST AS WE'D LIKE TO BUT GETTING
THERE SOONER OR LATER.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
REALLY, THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
BUYING NEW EQUIPMENT, THEY ARE EXPENSIVE, 500,000 AND UP.
FIRE ENGINE NOW, KNOW WHAT THEY COST, IT'S AMAZING, OVER A
MILLION DOLLARS, THE BIG ONES AND 800,000 --
11:50:04AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT FIRE.
11:50:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M GOING ABOUT EVERYTHING, SIR.
ANYWAY, I'M GIVING UP MY TIME.
THE CHAIRMAN IS LOOKING AT ME WITH ANGER.
11:50:13AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NO.
JUST LIKE, WHAT?
ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION.
BACKFLOW PREVENTERS.

IS THIS PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN?
WHERE AM I SEEING THIS?
WE HAVE SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THE BACKFLOW IS A MAJOR
PROBLEM.
HOW IS THIS IN THIS PLAN?
11:50:31AM >>BRANDON CAMPBELL:
I'LL LIKE YUAN SPEAK TO THAT.
11:50:34AM >>YUAN LI:
THE LAST PAGE, WE LIST NEXT STEPS.
SOMEONE COASTAL -- YUAN LI, STORMWATER SERVICES DIRECTOR.
TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE -- HOW AND BEST SOLUTION.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH SUNSET NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND EVALUATE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE THE BACKUP FLOW
HAS POTENTIAL INCREASE FRESHWATER FLOODING INSTEAD OF THE
COASTAL FLOODING.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO EVALUATE CASE-BY-CASE BASIS SCENARIO.
11:51:25AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
BASICALLY WE'LL SEE THAT COMING UP.
11:51:28AM >>YUAN LI:
THIS IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL --
11:51:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I GET QUESTIONED ABOUT THAT TECHNOLOGY
POTENTIAL ALL THE TIME.
I WAS CURIOUS WHERE WE WERE.
11:51:42AM >>YUAN LI:
THAT'S PART OF THE COASTAL RESILIENCY CURRENTLY
WORKING.
AS PART OF THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, WE ARE CURRENTLY
WORKING ON BECAUSE WE HAVE COASTAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE

WANT TO EVALUATE CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
11:51:54AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
DAVIS ISLANDS HOPEFULLY IS A BIG PART OF
THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF
CONVERSATION --
11:52:00AM >>YUAN LI:
YES.
11:52:01AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
VERY GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE?
I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL START PUBLIC COMMENT.
AGAIN, WE DECIDED WE'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EACH ONE OF
THE ITEMS.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO STORMWATER ONLY, STORMWATER ONLY,
STAND UP AGAINST THE WALL, BEHIND JAMES ADAIR, AND I WILL
CALL YOU ONE AT A TIME.
MR. ADAIR, TAG, YOU'RE UP.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:52:25AM >> JAMES ADAIR, THE NEIGHBOR WHO CARES.
GLAD TO BE HERE.
COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, ONCE WE GET HOT
AND TALKING ABOUT TOPICS LIKE THIS, IT'S NOT LIKE STORMWATER
IS DOING NOTHING.
SO OFTEN WE'RE DISAPPOINTED BY THE THINGS WE SEE THAT WE
THINK NOTHING IS HAPPENING AND GO FOR ALL OR NOTHING
APPROACH.

REALITY IS THERE IS A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE.
WE CAN SEE THE PROJECTS.
LET'S BE HONEST WITH THAT.
I CAME WITH MY ISSUES.
OTHER FOLKS HAVE THEIR THINGS.
TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE DASHBOARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED, BUT IT WAS DOWN FOR A BIT.
WENT BACK IN.
I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO KEEPS PUSHING REFRESH ON IT.
I PUT IN A REQUEST TO HAVE THE TIMELINE REDUCED.
FIRST CAME OUT, IT WAS SIX MONTHS.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT DOWN TO THREE, MAYBE A MONTH, A
TOGGLE.
HURRY HERBIE USED TO BE ON STAFF AND HE RAN THE DATA PIECE
AND SAID, YEAH, NO PROBLEM, WE CAN PULL IT TOGETHER.
WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
I KNOW IT'S NOT A BIG TASK.
GOING ON FOR MONTHS THE REQUEST.
I PUSH A BUTTON AGAIN AND IT'S SET AT A YEAR.
IF YOU ARE IN THIS ROOM, ON THIS CALL, IF YOU ARE SOMEWHERE
AND YOU WERE THE ONE THAT REQUESTED, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME.
I'M ONLY LEFT WITH THE THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE ARE LYING TO ME
IN THE CITY.
I DON'T LIKE IT.

WHEN I INTERACT WITH YOU, YOU SHOULD ASSUME THAT I'M GOING
TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH.
DON'T GIVE ME SOME HOGWASH.
YOU CAN GIVE ME YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
I'LL BELIEVE IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIE.
LEAVE IT AT THAT.
BAFFLE BOXES.
YOU APPROVED THE BAFFLE BOXES.
I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT I DID AN ANALYSIS ON IT.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT BUT THE DETAILS ABLE TO GET FROM KEITH AND
OTHERS, I THINK WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER THAN THE CONTRACTOR.
I THINK WE NEED TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT BRINGING MORE THINGS
IN-HOUSE.
WE ARE ADDICTED TO CONTRACTS.
I BELIEVED IT AND BOUGHT INTO IT FOR A WHILE.
WE CAN DO MUCH OF THIS WORK DONE CHEAPER IN-HOUSE WITH OR
WITHOUT UNION WAGES.
THE MS 4 MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE TO
FIVE YEARS.
MS. HURTAK, OR COUNCILPERSON HURTAK TALKED ABOUT THAT.
THAT IS HAPPENING.
OUR MAINTENANCE FEES WILL HAVE TO GO UP REGARDLESS SO THIS
BUDGET WILL BE IRRELEVANT VERY SOON.
THANK YOU FOR PASSING IT.

BUT WHEN THAT CHANGES AND WE HAVE TO INCREASE OUR CREW
CAPACITY TO INCREASE THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT, WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO DO IT.
I APPRECIATE COMMENTS THAT ALLUDED TO IT, BUT JUST SO YOU
KNOW, IT WILL HIT US IN THE FACE NEXT YEAR, POSSIBLY THIS
YEAR.
NEXT, MAYBE FINALLY, I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR ONE MORE CREW ON
DITCH GRADING.
IF YOU DON'T ASK FOR STAFF, YOU CAN'T GET REJECTED FOR
GETTING STAFF.
WE NEED ONE MORE CREW.
WE STILL DON'T MEET THE STANDARD WE SET FOR OURSELVES
MEANING SEVEN YEAR.
MEANING THE DITCHES ARE INSPECTED BUT NOT CARVED OUT,
ET CETERA, TO MEET OUR OWN STANDARD.
OTHER THINGS ON THE LIST ARE BEING MET, BUT THE GRADING IS
ABSOLUTELY NOT CONSISTENTLY BEING DONE AT THAT SAME LEVEL.
WE GO TO FIVE YEARS, WE'LL BE SWIMMING IN A VERY TREACHEROUS
AMOUNT OF WATER.
I JUST NEED ONE MORE CREW.
THEY HAVE ALREADY QUADRUPLED ALMOST 300 PERCENT TIMES THE
WORK THEY DID.
THAT'S GREAT.
WE'RE STILL NOT MEETING THE STANDARD WE SET AT SEVEN YEARS.
WE NEED A CREW.

11:55:29AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IS HIGH --
11:55:33AM >> NO PUN INTENDED.
JUST CAME OUT.
11:55:35AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:55:36AM >> DAVID ADAMS.
I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
LOOK THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH REPORTS OVER THE
LAST TEN YEARS, SHORT OF THE OTHER TWO OR THREE QUARTERLY
REPORTS THAT YOU DIDN'T GET RECENTLY, WHICH I DO THINK ARE
IMPORTANT.
THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON IT.
MULTIPLE ENGINEERS HAVE LOOKED AT THIS.
2017 REPORT, UNANIMOUS.
PUT A SPINE DOWN SOUTH HOWARD.
22 REPORT, UNANIMOUS, PUT A SPINE DOWN SOUTH HOWARD.
THE 2026 REPORT THAT YOU JUST PAID $7.7 MILLION FOR, I'LL
READ TO YOU.
THE PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD OF
SOUTH TAMPA HAVE EXPERIENCED SEVERE AND WIDESPREAD FLOODING
FOR DECADES DUE TO THE AREA'S TOPOGRAPHY AND ANTIQUATED
STORMWATER STRUCTURE WHICH CONVEYS EXCESSIVE RUNOFF FROM
RAINFALL.
RESULTS IN SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY DAMAGE, RENDERS ROADWAYS
UNPASSABLE, JEOPARDIZES THE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE OF THE
PUBLIC DURING RAINFALL EVENTS.

THESE ARE SUMMER STORMS.
THESE ARE NOT HURRICANES.
I THINK YOU'VE SEEN IT, BUT HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF SUNDAY,
11 DAYS AGO.
THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HEARD COUNCIL SAY, LOOK, THIS IS STREET FLOODING.
THIS WATER IS GOING UNDER MY HOME AND SATURATING THE JOINTS,
JOISTS OF MY HOME.
HERE IS ANOTHER PICTURE.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF SWANN AND AUDUBON.
COMPLETELY DESIGNATED.
THREE FEET OF WATER.
HERE IS THE FLOOD RELIEF SIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THREE
FEET OF WATER, IDENTIFYING THE ADDRESS OF THE PROJECT.
EXCUSE ME, THE WORKSHOP.
THESE ARE THE PARKS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
THESE ARE -- THIS IS NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT OF FLOODING.
THIS IS A FOOT DEEP IN THESE PARKS.
THIS IS FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S PORCH.
YOU CAN JUST SEE THE WATER.
IT'S EVERYWHERE.
PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT TRASH CANS TURN OVER.
GUESS WHAT HAPPENS, THE TRASH GOES OUT.
WHERE DOES THE TRASH GO, RIGHT DOWN THE INLETS.
I HEAR ALL ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND WHATNOT, BUT WE'RE KILLING

OURSELVES BY NOT DEALING WITH THIS PROBLEM.
I WILL SAY THIS, I WAS PLEASED TO SAY THAT A CITY EMPLOYEE
NAMED CORY CAME OUT TO HELP CLEAN UP AFTER THE FACT.
HE TOOK A DUMP TRUCK OF STUFF AWAY OUT OF THE AREA.
HERE IS SWANN.
HOW MANY MORE CARS NEED TO BE DESTROYED ON SWANN?
I'VE PERSONALLY PUSHED OUT FIVE TO SEVEN CARS OVER THE LAST
SEVERAL YEARS EVERY TIME IT FLOODS.
AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF FLOODING WE'RE DEALING WITH.
THIS IS ESCALADE.
THE HOOD ON THE ESCALADE IS PROBABLY THREE FEET TALL.
LOOK HOW MUCH WATER THAT THING IS PUSHING.
THIS IS NOT THE HURRICANE.
THIS IS IN JUNE OF 2024.
THIS IS WHAT THE CARS LOOK LIKE.
THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM.
HERE IS THE HART BUS.
HE'S PUSHING A WALL OF WATER PROBABLY TWO FEET.
I NEED A NO WAKE ZONE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU END UP WITH WHEN YOU
DON'T DEAL WITH THE STORMWATER PROBLEMS.
WE NEED A SOLUTION.
PLEASE GIVE IT TO US.
11:58:47AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:58:56AM >> MY NAME IS EDWARD DEL APART.
I REPRESENT THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE THIS IS A WORKSHOP TO
DETERMINE WHERE IS YOUR STORMWATER MONEY GOING AND ARE YOU
GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCKS.
THIS IS A SPREADSHEET THAT STAFF HAS NOT SHOWN YOU YET.
THAT SHOWS YOU THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IMPROVEMENT FUND.
THAT SHOWS YOU THAT APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN 2026 AND 2046 YOU
HAVE $340 MILLION.
225 MILLION OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ENCUMBERED.
YOU HAD ABOUT $110 MILLION THAT WAS UNENCUMBERED.
YOUR STAFF TOLD YOU BACK IN JANUARY THAT THEY WERE ONLY
GOING TO USE $8.4 MILLION OF THAT.
THAT HAS NOW GROWN TO $33.7 MILLION.
THAT LEAVES YOU ONLY $85 MILLION FOR EVERY OTHER PROJECT
THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS IN THE CITY.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS, AND NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT, IS THE
TIMING OF HOW THIS MONEY IS COLLECTED.
EACH YEAR, THE CITY COLLECTS ABOUT 5.5 MILLION OF
UNENCUMBERED STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IMPROVEMENT MONIES.
IN ORDER TO FUND THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT FOR
THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ALL $5.5 MILLION OF THAT UNENCUMBERED
MONEY WILL HAVE TO GO TO THAT PROJECT.

THERE IS A MENTION ABOUT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEA.
WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THAT FOR OVER TWO YEARS, AND I
STILL HAVEN'T SEEN A SIGNED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEA.
IF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THEA IS NOT SIGNED, THEN
WHERE WILL THAT MONEY COME FROM?
FROM THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT TRUST FUND.
THAT RAISES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO $45 MILLION.
IT ONLY LEAVES $75 MILLION FOR ALL OF THE STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN THE CITY FOR THE NEXT
20 YEARS.
SO THE QUESTION THIS COUNCIL IS FACING IS NOT THAT THIS IS
NOT A GOOD PROJECT.
IT'S NOT A PROJECT THAT'S NEEDED.
THE QUESTION IS, WHETHER YOU NEED TO, LIKE THE CHAIRMAN
SAID, YOU NEED TO BALANCE WHAT ARE THE FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE
AVAILABLE, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET, AND
WHETHER THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE
FUNDS AND STILL NOT DELIVER THE FULL REMEDY THAT WAS
PROMISED BY THE CITY.
THAT FULL REMEDY WAS THAT THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF NOT ONLY
PARKLAND, BUT ALSO TAKE CARE OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
THERE IS NOT $150 MILLION IN STORMWATER ASSESSMENT
IMPROVEMENT FUNDS HERE FOR THAT.
NOW, THERE'S BEEN MENTION ABOUT THE $25 MILLION GRANT THAT
I'VE BEEN HEARING, AND I THINK MR. ROGERO SAID BACK IN

JANUARY THAT WE GOT IT.
WE NEARLY HAVE IT.
WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR IT.
EVEN IF THEY APPLY FOR IT, THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPETE IN
ORDER TO GET THAT MONEY.
12:02:01PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:02:10PM >> MY NAME IS GREG CAMPBELL.
I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF THE PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB.
MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD KNOW THAT I'M HERE AND HAVE ASKED
ME TO COME AND BE HERE.
I WANT TO SAY SIMPLY THAT LAST YEAR, THE BOARD VOTED
UNANIMOUSLY FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT.
I REPORTED THAT TO YOU BEFORE.
THERE IS A NEW BOARD.
FEW NEW MEMBERS THIS YEAR.
THERE'S NO CHANGE AS FAR AS SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD FOR THIS
PROJECT AS CONCERNED.
AND WE REPRESENT, WE'RE PROPERLY ELECTED.
WE REPRESENT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN
PARKLAND ESTATES.
WE DO NOT REPRESENT PALMA CEIA PINES, BUT THE OPINION WE
KNOW FROM NEIGHBORS WALKING BY, I LIVE RIGHT ON THE CORNER

ACROSS THE STREET FROM PALMA CEIA PINES, THAT SUPPORT THERE
IS EQUALLY STRONG AS IN PARKLAND ESTATES, FOR THE REASONS OF
FLOODING THAT YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOS A FEW MINUTES AGO.
TODAY, I'VE LEARNED A FEW THINGS AND HAVE ENJOYED LISTENING
TO AND I RESPECT THE CARE YOU GIVE AS FAR AS APPROPRIATION
OF TAX MONEY IS CONCERNED.
THAT IS IMPRESSIVE.
THAT SAID, THIS PROJECT OVER THE TIME THAT IT WILL BE
UNDERWAY, WILL COST FAR LESS THAN 1% OF TOTAL CITY
EXPENDITURES OVER THOSE THREE OR FOUR YEARS IT'S UNDERWAY.
$50 MILLION YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE, THE CITY DURING
THE TIME OF ITS BUILDING IS GOING TO SPEND ROUGHLY 4 -- 2
BILLION, 8 BILLION MORE IF IT'S FOUR YEARS.
THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT IT IS A QUESTION OF PRIORITY
AND WHERE ARE THE PRIORITIES?
I THINK THIS NEEDS PRIORITY.
PALMA CEIA PINES, CAN REMEMBER THE '50s, '60s, WAS A
PLACE OF SMALL-FRAME HOUSES ON CONCRETE BLOCKS, LOTS OF OPEN
LAND, '50s, '60s, '70s.
SINCE THEN, IT HAS BEEN BUILT UP.
IT IS DENSELY POPULATED.
THE CITY OF TAMPA GETS FAR MORE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE NOW
FROM THAT AREA THAN EVER BEFORE.
BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA HAS NOT BEEN IMPROVED TO
THE POINT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, PARTICULARLY STORMWATER

DRAINAGE.
IT IS AN INSPIRED IDEA TO SEND THAT BOX CULVERT ROUTE ON UP
TO THE POND BY THE HOSPITAL.
LET ME SAY THAT WE SUPPORT PARKLAND ESTATES, BOX CULVERTS
ARE ON THE COMMERCIAL AVENUES, NOT THE CITY STREETS.
NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
IN ANY CASE, WE URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS PROJECT.
IF THERE ARE NEW PROJECTS, IT'S KIND OF LATE TO TELL US NOW.
IT'S LATE TO TELL US NOW.
AND I LOOK OVER THERE.
12:05:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR TIME IS UP.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:05:36PM >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON
HERE.
BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU, THIS IS YOUR CITY SIMULATOR
WHERE IT SHOWS THE RED FOUNDATION, RED HOUSES, THE BUILDINGS
IN RED ARE THE ONES THAT FLOODED.
THOSE RED HOUSES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NORTH OF SWANN.
IF YOU NOTICE, PARKLAND, IT'S JUST A LITTLE DOT OVER HERE.
SO THE AREA WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON IS PALMA CEIA PINES.
THEY ARE THE ONES IN TROUBLE.
LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS HOWARD PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO

WORK.
THERE IS NO FUNDING.
IT LEAVES OTHER RESIDENTS IN TAMPA WITHOUT PROJECTS FOR FIVE
YEARS OR MORE.
IT'S DEVASTATING IMPACTS ON HOWARD AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS
DOES NOT ADDRESS THE AREA OF FLOODING THAT IS INTENDED TO,
AND THIS AREA IS A COASTAL HIGH-RISK FLOOD ZONE PLUS HIGH
SEA LEVEL RISE THAT IS DIRECTING THAT VOLUME OF STORMWATER
DIRECTLY TO THE OUTFALL ON BAYSHORE, MAKING THAT AREA
VULNERABLE TO MORE FLOODING.
IT'S IN OUR ACCESSIBILITY RESEARCH THAT WE DID IN 2025.
THIS IS PART OF IT.
ANYWAY, THERE IS THE COAST.
THERE IS THE FLOODING.
WE HAVE HIGH SEA LEVEL RISE, AND IF YOU PUSH ALL THAT WATER
OUT THERE, IT'S GOING TO COME RIGHT BACK AND FLOOD THOSE
AREAS.
OKAY, THE PROBLEM WITH PALMA CEIA PINES, IT'S GOING TO COST
MORE THAN YOU THINK, BECAUSE IT GOES TO THERE.
THAT IS PART OF THE CLEVELAND BASIN DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
IT PUMPS OUR WATER OUT OF THAT HOSPITAL POND TO THAT AREA
RIGHT THERE THAT FLOODS.
SO UNLESS YOU CLEAN THAT ONE OUT, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP
BACKING UP, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT COLLECTING STORMWATER, WE DO

HAVE PLACES TO COLLECT OUR STORMWATER.
THEY ARE CALLED RETENTION PONDS.
BUT WHEN THEY LOOK LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CLEANED,
WE DON'T GET FILTERED WATER.
WE GET GARBAGE, CHARLIE.
IN OUR DRINKING WATER.
THAT'S WHAT WE GET.
CHARLIE IS RIGHT.
WE GET GARBAGE.
IT'S COMING FROM THE AREAS IN THE RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE
NOT CLEAN.
WE NEED MONEY FOR THAT.
THIS IS ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY, ANOTHER ONE, I WANT TO SHOW
THIS BEFORE I FINALIZE IS THIS HERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PICTURE THAT YOU ALL PUT OUT.
LOOK AT THAT DRAINAGE DITCH.
IT'S BEEN MORE THAN A WHILE SINCE THAT'S BEEN CLEANED.
NOW, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HOLDS THE POWER TO OVERSEE MUNICIPAL
SPENDING.
IF A DIVERSION OF FUNDS, IMPROPER EXPENDITURES IS SUSPENDED,
THE COUNCIL CAN DELAY ASSESSMENT APPROVALS.
AND MANDATE FORMAL BUDGET RECONCILIATION WORKSHOPS.
WE NEED MORE WORKSHOPS TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE
BECAUSE IT'S A MESS.
PROPERTY OWNERS, LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED AN A-LINE ITEM

SPENDING, AND WE NEED TO HOLD -- IS THAT MY LAST?
12:08:41PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU.
MR. MICHELINI.
START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:08:52PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW IT SADDENS ME WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD STAFF PEOPLE THAT
DON'T PAINT THE WHOLE PICTURE FOR YOU.
AND THEY ARE GIVING YOU A GOAL OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO
INSTEAD OF GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION THAT YOU REALLY HAVE
TO HAVE.
THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU ABOUT THE $10 MILLION GRANT THAT
REQUIRES $54 MILLION IN MATCHING FUNDS, NOT FROM OTHER
GRANTS.
IT HAS TO COME FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE.
IT COULD COME FROM A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
IT COULD COME FROM GENERAL FUND.
$54 MILLION TO GET $10 MILLION.
WHEN YOU HAVE PLANS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEING INCLUSIVE.
PALMA CEIA PINES WAS NOT INCLUDED, EVEN IN THEIR VIDEO THAT
THEY SHOW ON THE TV.
IT SHOWS THAT THE PALMA CEIA PINES CONTINUES TO FLOOD AFTER
THIS PROJECT.

AND IN PUTTING A LITTLE STUB-OUT TO THE AMI POND DOESN'T
WORK.
THE AMI POND, WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION, IT'S
CONTAMINATED.
IT HAS MEDICAL WASTE BAGS IN IT.
IT HAS SANITARY SEWER THAT OVERFLOWED FROM THE LAST
HURRICANE, AND THEN WHEN THE CITY STAFF WENT OUT AND SAID,
OH, YEAH, IT LOOKS GREAT, WE TOLD THEM ABOUT THE PUMP THAT
DOESN'T WORK AND AMI POND.
WE TOLD THEM IT'S NOT TURNING ON AND DISCHARGING THE WATER,
AND IT GOES WEST.
AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT RECONFIGURING THAT SO IT GOES
EAST.
THE COST, ACCORDING TO THE DEPOSED SWORN TESTIMONY FROM
KIMMINS ADDING PALMA CEIA PINES IS $60 MILLION PLUS.
SO NOW YOUR BUDGET IS OVER $160 MILLION, PROBABLY $170
MILLION, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, AND THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM DOES
NOT INCLUDE THAT $60 MILLION ADDITION, PLUS IT IS A 5%
INCREASE EVERY YEAR IF THEY WANT IT.
AND THE CITY CAN ADD TO IT AND THEY CAN ALSO INCREASE THE
BUDGET.
SO CONTINUING TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM
PRICE IS A LOT OF HOGWASH.
THAT PRICE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

THEY ARE TRYING TO SCRAMBLE AROUND AND FIGURE OUT THIS
LITTLE POT, THAT LITTLE POT AND TRYING TO PUSH IT INTO A
SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT.
THE STATE-ENABLING LEGISLATION SAYS YOU CANNOT TAKE
ASSESSMENT MONEY AND EARMARK IT FOR A SPECIFIC ONE AREA.
IT HAS TO BE PROPORTIONALLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
YOU CANNOT TAKE IT AND PUT IT INTO ONE PROJECT.
IN TERMS OF THE WORK CREWS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MENTIONED
IT, YOU NEED MORE WORK CREWS.
YOU NEED PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND GET THE MAINTENANCE DONE.
I'M APPALLED THAT THE CITY BUDGET WOULD PROPOSE DECREASING
THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
IT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED, NOT DECREASED.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTION, HOW MANY
ADMINISTRATORS DO YOU HAVE VERSUS FIELD CREWS?
AND WHERE ARE THEY ASSIGNED.
THANK YOU.
12:11:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
MS. TATE.
START WITH YOUR NAME.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:12:08PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M FRAN TATE, 21-YEAR RESIDENT OF EAST TAMPA.
FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE JACKSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD
ASSOCIATION AND COMMUNITY SAFETY WATCH.

FOUR YEARS APPOINTED TO THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY
REDEVELOPMENT AREA, COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, RECENTLY
APPOINTED TO THE PUBLIC NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE 2027 BUDGET RELATIVE TO MOBILITY
FUNDS TO INCLUDE STORMWATER.
GOVERNMENT 101, TRANSPARENCY.
I'VE HEARD ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SAY TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WE
MUST BE TRANSPARENT.
WE MUST BE TRANSPARENT.
PUBLIC RECORDS, GIVING CITIZENS EASY ACCESS TO OFFICIAL
DOCUMENTS AND SPENDING DATA.
WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS?
WHAT IS THE REAL COST?
OPEN MEETINGS, ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO -- PUBLIC AND PRESS TO
WATCH ALL GOVERNMENT DECISIONS BEING MADE.
PROACTIVE SHARING, PUBLISHING LAWS, BUDGETS, POLICIES ONLINE
BEFORE THEY TAKE EFFECT.
REDUCING CORRUPTION.
MAKING ACTIONS VISIBLE TO PREVENT THE ABUSE OF POWER.
ACCOUNTABILITY IN GOVERNMENT.
PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND AGENCIES MUST EXPLAIN THEIR CHOICES,
ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITIES OF THEIR ACTIONS AND FACE
CONSEQUENCES IF THEY FAIL OR BREAK THE LAW.
GOVERNMENT SERVES THE PUBLIC GOOD RATHER THAN THE PRIVATE
INTERESTS.

EVERY ONE OF YOU ELECTED OFFICE, IN THIS CITY CONVINCED US
THAT TAX-PAYING VOTERS THAT WE -- THAT YOU'D BE TRANSPARENT,
AND WE COULD HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE, AND -- WE COULD HOLD YOU
ACCOUNTABLE OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE WON YOUR SEAT, FROM THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT EAST TAMPA AND THE PROJECTS IN EAST
TAMPA THAT I AM LOOKING AT NOW.
ROGERS PARK DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, 56th STREET AND
BROADWAY AVENUE, FLOODING RELIEF.
-- 30th STREET PIPE RELOCATION.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO 56th STREET BROADWAY AVENUE FLOODING
RELIEF.
I NOTICED ON THE -- IN THE MEETING TODAY, THAT THE PROJECT
WAS CANCELED.
DO WE GET NEAR PROJECT IN EAST TAMPA?
THE PROJECT $1,069,294, BUT I NOTICED THAT IT WAS SAID THAT
THE PROJECT WAS CANCELED.
DO WE GET ANOTHER PROJECT OR WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO?
IT GOES BACK INTO -- OKAY, THANK YOU.
I'M JUST CONCERNED AND I'M SPEAKING -- I'M CONCERNED ABOUT
THEM ALL.
12:15:15PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MS. TATE.
THANK YOU.
12:15:18PM >> PLEASE, LOOK OUT FOR EAST TAMPA, ALL OF YOU.
THANK YOU.

12:15:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
MICHELLE, START WITH YOUR NAME, YOU HAVE
THREE MINUTES.
12:15:29PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE MASTROTOTARO.
I COME TODAY BECAUSE IF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT GOES
THROUGH, IT'S TAKING MONEY FROM THE LOWER PENINSULA, WHICH
IS MY AREA, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN FUNDED OR LOOKED AT SINCE
2003.
EVERY TIME WHEN YOU TRY TO GO ON, GUESS WHAT YOU GET.
EVERYTHING IS LOCKED.
YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING.
THEY BLOCKED EVERY SINGLE THING.
YOU'RE NOT AUTHORIZED.
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?
I DON'T GET IT.
I THINK THEY NEED A FULL AUDIT.
I THINK THEY NEED TO GO AND SEE ALL THE CITY PURCHASES AND
ORDERS.
THEIR CONTRACTS, GRANTS, S.W.F.W.M.D. PAYMENTS, MAINTENANCE
EXPENDITURES.
THEY NEED TO DO EVERYTHING.
AND WHEN THEY COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 17 TO ANSWER ABOUT
TAPPAN TRACT PARK, I WANT TO SEE ALL THIS.
I WANT TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DONE SINCE 2003 ALL THE WAY TO

2026.
CAN THEY DO THAT?
I HOPE THEY CAN DO THAT.
12:16:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU'RE TALKING TO COUNCIL, NOT THEM.
12:16:46PM >> I'M SORRY.
I'M SORRY.
I'M BEING A DEBATER.
SORRY.
THIS, IT'S APPARENTLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN JULY.
IT'S NOW, THEY ARE SAYING, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN AUGUST.
LET'S SEE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN NOTHING HAPPENING.
WHEN PEOPLE CRY, OH, THIS IS TWO.
WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS PARK?
THE CITY OF TAMPA IS RESPONSIBLE.
THIS IS THE WATER -- THIS IS THE PIPE.
IT'S ABOUT 10-INCH DIAMETER, THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE
OUR WATER OUT.
HISTORICAL ROAD THAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED A COUPLE OF TIMES.
GETTING PUDDLES.
THESE ARE BECOMING SINKHOLES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS ON A 15-MINUTE RAIN.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE.
THIS IS OUR DRAINAGE.

THIS IS OUR DRAINAGE.
WE PAY TAXES FOR THIS AND LOOK AT IT.
WE DON'T HAVE NOTHING.
WE HAVE WILDLIFE.
THESE DUCKS.
THIS IS HABITAT.
THIS WAS ETTA IN 2020 WHEN THOSE APARTMENTS CAME IN.
18 INCHES.
IT WAS ANOTHER SITUATION THAT WAS IN 2023, THAT WAS IDALIA.
THIS IS IDALIA.
THEY KEEP TALKING.
THIS WAS JUST A RANDOM, RANDOM, LOOK AT ALL THAT WATER.
THIS IS DEBBY.
DEBBY.
12:18:33PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
YOUR TIME IS UP.
12:18:35PM >> LOOK, ALL THOSE CARS.
I LOST EVERYTHING.
THERE GOES MY HOUSE.
12:18:40PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'RE DONE.
12:18:41PM >> PLEASE, THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
12:18:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AFTERNOON.
12:18:48PM >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

JUST PLEASE, HOPEFULLY THEY ARE PREPARED.
12:18:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE, START WITH YOUR
NAME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
12:19:04PM >> HELLO.
I'M SUZANNE FERNANDEZ FROM PALMA CEIA PINES.
I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
I HAVE SMALL APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT SERVICE LOWER
MIDDLE-CLASS PEOPLE THAT WERE VERY NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, OF
COURSE, IN 2024.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT THAT.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE PROBLEM IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND
FLOODING GET WORSE SINCE 2015.
I'M A PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE AMI POND, WHEN I FIRST
ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IT WAS A FIELD.
NOW IT'S A PARKING GARAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
SO MUCH CEMENT, NO PLACE FOR GROUNDWATER TO RUN OFF.
MAKES OUR PROBLEM EVEN WORSE.
WHAT I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT TODAY, BEGINNING TO GET THE VIBE
THAT THE COMMITMENT ISN'T THERE ANYMORE TO HELP PALMA CEIA
PINES, THAT ALL THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SPENT ON IMPACT
FEES, ALL THE MONEY SPENT ON STORM DRAINS, ET CETERA, UP
UNTIL NOW, ALL SPENT BUT NOT A GOOD PLAN GOING FORWARD.
LIKE YOU ALL TO ADDRESS ON A COUPLE OF LEVELS.
HISTORICALLY, NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT FOR STORMWATER IS

PITIFULLY TOO LOW.
ALL TALK ABOUT INCREASING, ONLY INCREASED IT A LITTLE BIT.
ANYBODY WOULD PAY AN EXTRA HUNDRED DOLLARS SO THEIR PROPERTY
DID NOT FLOOD WHEN IT RAINED.
LIKE YOU CONSIDER, A LONG-TERM PLAN.
LET'S INCREASE THE REVENUES COMING IN.
WHEN WE GO DOWN SOUTH HOWARD WITH THE RESTAURANTS AND
WONDERFUL THINGS THERE, I THINK THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE
BEING SHORTSIGHTED.
YOU GO TO OTHER CITIES AND THEIR STREET SCENE IS REALLY
WONDERFUL.
WHAT YOU ALL ARE PROPOSING IN THE CURRENT PROJECT, SOUTH
HOWARD IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF PAIN, HOWEVER
THEY'LL COME OUT WITH A MUCH BETTER STREET SCENE AND VIBE
GOING FORWARD.
IN THAT SENSE, IF THEY COULD SUCK IT UP FOR A LITTLE BIT FOR
A COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK THEY WILL BE WELL SERVED.
MAINLY, I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THE STREET FLOODING IN
PALMA CEIA PINES.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE IT CONTINUE THE WAY IT IS.
12:21:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
TARAH, START WITH YOUR NAME.
12:21:23PM >> TARAH BLUMA.
WHEN SOUTH HOWARD WAS FIRST PRESENTED YOU WERE TOLD THAT IT
WAS GOING TO BE 8.4 MILLION THAT CAME FROM THE STORMWATER

ASSESSMENT.
ON MR. ROGERO'S BUDGET TODAY ON PAGE 2, THERE WAS ANOTHER
LINE ADDED OF 25.3 MILLION.
AND YOU ALL DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
THAT BRINGS THE TOTAL OF THE ASSESSMENT GOING TO 33.7
MILLION ON ONE PROJECT.
YOU GENERATE ABOUT $5.5 MILLION A YEAR THAT'S NOT ALREADY
ENCUMBERED BECAUSE OF DEBT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND ON PROJECTS.
YOU HAVE THEN $85 MILLION FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO SPEND ON
EVERY OTHER PROJECT IN THIS CITY.
SPENDING OVER A THIRD OF YOUR MONEY ON THIS ONE PROJECT.
I'M ACTUALLY QUESTIONING HOW THIS DEPARTMENT OPERATES
BECAUSE YOU HEARD TODAY THAT ONE PROJECT WAS PLANNED BECAUSE
ONE PERSON COMPLAINED, NEPTUNE WAY FOR $700,000.
WE CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T HAVE PROJECTS GOING -- SOME THOUGHT
IT WAS CANCELED BECAUSE ONE PERSON COMPLAINED.
IF WE ARE GOING TO OPERATE THAT WAY, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE
IN PORT TAMPA THAT WOULD TAKE $700,000.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT PORT TAMPA?
EVERYONE FLOODED.
THERE ISN'T EVEN A PROJECT ON THE IDEA PASSWORD TO HELP PORT
TAMPA.
ON ANY OF YOUR LISTS.
YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN THE WORD PORT TAMPA.
PORT TAMPA WOULD LOVE $10 MILLION.

WE CAN DO A LOT WITH $10 MILLION IN PORT TAMPA, BUT ALL OF
YOUR MONEY IS GOING TO SOUTH HOWARD.
TRY DRIVING DOWN -- LET ME JUST SAY, I VERY MUCH SYMPATHIZE
WITH PALMA CEIA PINES.
THAT SITUATION IS NOT UNIQUE TO PALMA CEIA PINES.
TRY DRIVING DOWN MANHATTAN WHEN IT RAINS OR MY STREET,
ANYWHERE SOUTH OF GANDY.
ALL OF IT FLOODS.
YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEND THESE FUNDS IN A WAY THAT
MAXIMIZES THE BENEFIT FOR THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE.
UNFORTUNATELY THIS PROJECT DOES NOT.
NO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A SOUND
FINANCIAL DECISION.
PLEASE GO FROM PICNIC ISLAND ALL THE WAY UP TO KENNEDY ON
WESTSHORE.
EVERYBODY FLOODED.
I'VE BEEN IN HUNDREDS OF HOMES THAT WERE DESTROYED.
WE CANNOT FOCUS ALL OF OUR RESOURCES ON ONE PROJECT.
THAT IS NOT FAIR NOR IS IT LEGAL TO BE SPENDING THE
ASSESSMENT IN THAT WAY.
FINALLY, PLEASE THINK ABOUT YOUR BONDING.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE HAD $15 MILLION A YEAR TO BE ABLE
TO SOLVE ONE STORMWATER PROJECT?
INSTEAD, YOU ALREADY HAVE 225 MILLION ENCUMBERED IN DEBT.
WE'VE GOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT PROJECTS WHERE WE CAN PAY AS

WE GO, SOLVE PROBLEMS QUICKLY AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AREA.
I KNOW THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT DECISION FOR ALL OF YOU.
I AGAIN ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE STORMWATER ITS OWN DEPARTMENT.
IT SHOULD NOT BE UNDER MOBILITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MR. CAMPBELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE
A MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU.
12:24:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU, TARAH.
I'M NOT SURE OF YOUR NAME.
COME TO THE PODIUM AND START WITH YOUR NAME.
12:24:36PM >> YOU ARE FUNNY.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
STEPHANIE POYNOR.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND MOVE OVER INTO
STORMWATER.
BOTTOM LINE IS, I DON'T WANT TO LOOK FOR THE NUMBERS.
I WANT TO STUDY THE NUMBERS.
SO I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND THIS NICE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS
PROJECT LIST.
I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THE LITTLE SHEETS LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY I FOUND THIS ONE.
IT WAS RIGHT ON THE TOP.
THE MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, WHOSE BUDGET
WENT UP BY 25% FOR THE COMING YEAR.
IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING PROPAGANDA FILMS FOR THE

SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT OR DOING WEIRD OTHER THINGS ONLINE, I
DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE THESE KIND OF PAPER FORMS.
NOTICE HOW NICE AND BEAUTIFUL THE FONTS ARE.
THESE ARE SMALL, BUT THE STUFF WE GOT THIS WEEK IS SMALLER.
CALLS, MR. CAMPBELL TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY PHONE CALLS HE
GOT.
HOW MANY E-MAILS DID HE GET?
WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THEM?
WHAT WAS DONE WITH IT?
YEAH, A WHOLE BUNCH OF DATA.
I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE MAP OF WHERE THEY LOGGED ANY OF THE
CALLS WHERE YOU CAN SEE WE ACTUALLY CALLED.
CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND I HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS ASKING PEOPLE
TO TURN IN STORMWATER ISSUES EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
I THOUGHT WE PULLED THE $20 MILLION OR THE $25 MILLION FROM
THE MacDILL PROJECT, WHICH IS ALMOST DONE.
WE SAID IT'S ALMOST DONE.
WHY ARE WE WAITING ON THE MONEY.
IF WE HAVE TO SPEND IT TO GET IT WE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE IT
IF IT WAS FOR THE MacDILL 48 BECAUSE IT'S DONE OR FOR
THE MOST PART DONE.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IF IT'S
ROLLED OVER FROM THE MacDILL 48, HOW COME WE DON'T HAVE
THE MONEY?

WE SHOULD HAVE ALL OF IT IF THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
LET'S SEE.
THE ASSESSMENT, HOW DOES THE ASSESSMENT GO DOWN?
WE BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD IN THE CITY.
WE BUILT THE HELL OUT OF SOUTH OF GANDY, SO THAT MEANS MORE
IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
A LOT OF THIS ASSESSMENT IS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF
IMPERMEABLE SURFACE ON THE PROPERTY.
NOT ON THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BUT THE AMOUNT OF
IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY GO DOWN IF WE KEEP DOING INFILL HOUSING?
DID WE HAVE ANY MOBILITY STAFF ON THE STORMWATER LIST THIS
YEAR?
I DON'T KNOW.
DID WE GET THE MONEY BACK FROM LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE
LAST WHERE WE HAD STORMWATER PEOPLE OR MOBILITY FOLKS ON THE
STORMWATER LIST?
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, EVERY WEEK THAT WE HAVE A REGULAR CITY
COUNCIL MEETING, WE SEE A CHANGE ORDER.
THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, THOSE PROJECTS ALL STARTED WITH
GMPs BUT YET WE HAVE CHANGE ORDERS.
GO FIGURE.
YOU CAN'T STAND UP HERE AND SAY THAT IS THE MOST IT'S GOING
TO COST.

THAT WOULD BE A LIE.
WE CAN JUST SAY THAT IS A LIE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CSX TUNNEL, WHATEVER, ISN'T AS BIG
AS THEY THOUGHT IT WAS.
WHY DID WE BORROW $8.24 MILLION FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT
IN 2021 WHEN IT WASN'T EVEN ON THE BOOKS UNTIL 2022?
WHY BORROW MONEY YOU DON'T NEED YET?
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.
12:27:42PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOUR TIME IS UP.
12:27:44PM >> I JUST WORK HERE FOR FREE.
12:27:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:27:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. PERRY, AND MAYBE
FOR MR. BAIRD, DEPENDING THAT JUST COMES FROM THIS AND I
THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'LL DO FOR
TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE I'M HUNGRY.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE BROADER STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEE
CAPITAL PROGRAM.
WHAT WAS THE PLAN FOR THE ASSESSMENT FEE AND WHY HAVE WE
BONDED SO MUCH?
I MEAN, IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE CIT WHEN WE -- THE
FIRST TIME THE CIT WAS DONE AFTER IT WAS ANNOUNCED IT WAS
BONDED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, AND HAD VERY LITTLE TO WORK WITH
UNTIL, WELL, I GUESS THE END OF THIS YEAR WHEN WE START TO
GET NEW CIT FUNDING.
WAS THE PLAN TO ALWAYS BOND THIS OUT.

IF SO, WHAT'S THE PLAN GOING FORWARD?
I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHY DID WE BOND SO MUCH?
WHAT WAS THE PLAN FOR THE ASSESSMENT FEE?
12:28:57PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WHY WAIT FOR TOMORROW WHEN YOU CAN GET IT
TODAY.
12:29:00PM >> MIKE PERRY, D-CFO.
I WAS LOOKING AT THAT ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY IN ANTICIPATION
OF THAT.
THE ORIGINAL DEBT PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE CIT AND THE
STORMWATER BONDS, WAS FOR $201 MILLION.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE BONDED A TOTAL OF $198 MILLION.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY BONDED A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT THE
PROGRAM WAS CALLING FOR.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE LAST TIME WE BORROWED THE 2023 AND BRAD
WILL TELL YOU THAT, ESPECIALLY HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH
WATER AND WASTEWATER, STOP.
YOU EXCEEDED OUR CAPACITY.
WE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH STORMWATER IN 2021 AND 2023,
STOP.
YOU CANNOT BORROW ANY MORE.
YOU ARE AT THE CAPACITY.
WE DO MONITOR THAT.
12:30:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I THINK THAT'S SORT OF THE QUESTION, THOUGH.
THE PLAN WAS, WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THIS ASSESSMENT IN 2016,

I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH CIT
IS WE KNEW WE COULD ONLY BOND SO MUCH.
WHERE DID WE THINK -- HOW FAR DID WE THINK WE WERE GOING TO
GET?
LIKE AT WHAT POINT DID WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE
FULL?
WE'LL HAVE TO START ANOTHER ASSESSMENT IN ORDER TO DO MORE
WORK.
12:30:37PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
12:30:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YEAH.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, WHY DIDN'T WE PLAN FOR THIS?
WE JUST SAW THE CIT HAPPEN.
A LOT OF THIS, THIS 2016 WAS BEFORE MY TIME, SO I JUST WANT
TO KNOW THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS TO BOND TO 200 MILLION.
WHEN DID WE THINK WE WERE GOING TO FINISH THAT BONDING?
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE MOVED IT UP, 2023 WAS --
12:31:10PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
THE INITIAL PLAN -- AGAIN, INITIAL PLAN WAS
ON TWO DEBT ISSUANCES.
SO WE DID THE 2018 AND THE 2021.
WHEN WE GOT THAT GRANT MONEY FOR LOWER PENINSULA, THAT SORT
OF PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT -- TO DO THE ADDITIONAL BONDING
BECAUSE WE HAD THE ASSESSMENT CAPACITY TO PAY FOR IT.
12:31:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BASICALLY, WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT FOR THE
NEXT 20 YEARS, ALL THE STORMWATER MONEY WE HAVE IS THIS
SMALL POT.

12:31:44PM >>MICHAEL PERRY:
WE ALWAYS HAVE THE CAPACITY IF WE WANT TO,
TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, AT ABOUT THE TEN-YEAR MARK IN A BOND, YOU CAN DO WHAT
IS CALLED A REFUNDING.
SO YOU CAN GO OUT AND YOU CAN REFUND EXISTING BONDS IN
POLICY -- ACHIEVE PRESENT VALUE OF SAVINGS OF AT LEAST 3%,
YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND REFUND THOSE BONDS AT THE TEN-YEAR
MARK.
AND WE'RE APPROACHING THAT ON THE INITIAL BONDS IN 2018.
AND THEN, AGAIN, WE DO HAVE FIVE MILLION DOLLARS,
$5.5 MILLION NET ASSESSMENTS AS EVERYBODY HAS POINTED OUT,
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T SPEND A PART OF THAT TO DO A
SHORT-TERM BORROWING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
12:32:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT, I MEAN, DO YOU ALL -- DO YOU SEE THE
QUESTION I'M ASKING?
THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, WE STARTED THIS, HOW FAR DID WE
EXPECT THIS MONEY TO BE ABLE TO GO?
HOW MANY YEARS DO WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO USE IT BEFORE WE
WERE JUST GOING TO SIMPLY HAVE TO CLOSE THIS OUT?
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE OVERALL, AND THEN WHERE DID WE --
YEAH, CAN WE START WITH THAT?
12:32:55PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
YES.
BRAD BAIRD, ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY.
THE WHOLE IDEA OF BONDING EARLY IN A PROGRAM, AND THIS IS
VERY SIMILAR TO THE PIPES PROGRAM, THE WHOLE IDEA IS SO YOU

CAN GET GOING ON THE LARGER PROJECTS.
OUR FIRST TWO LARGE PROJECTS WERE CYPRESS STREET AND UPPER
PENINSULA TO SOLVE THAT HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY AND SOLVE
THE 300 BLOCK ON NORTH ROME.
WE DID THAT.
WE GOT GOING ON THOSE PROJECTS.
THEY WERE FINISHED ON TIME, UNDER BUDGET, BOTH OF THEM WERE
UNDER BUDGET.
BY THE WAY, I HEARD ABOUT CHANGE ORDERS, AND I HEARD A
COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO BE 10
MILLION MORE THAN WHAT WE SAY IN A GMP.
WE HAVE AN OUTSTANDING TRACK RECORD OF COMING BACK FOR
CHANGE ORDERS AND THE CHANGE ORDERS ARE DEDUCTS.
SO WE CAME IN LOWER THAN, 3 MILLION LOWER ON LOWER
PENINSULA.
I KNOW I'M GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF A RABBIT HOLE FROM
YOUR QUESTION.
WE FINISHED THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY RETROFIT 3 MILLION LESS THAN
WE HAD.
SAME WITH SEVERAL OTHER PROJECTS THAT I COULD RATTLE OFF.
WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD.
ANYWAY, BACK TO THE BONDING.
YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE -- OR GET THOSE LARGE
PROJECTS GOING.
NOW, BEYOND THAT, I WOULD TURN IT BACK OVER TO MIKE ON WHAT

OUR THINKING WAS IN 2023 WHEN WE BONDED.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS FOR LOWER BUT NOT POSITIVE.
12:34:40PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THAT'S NOT REALLY MY QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU'RE REALLY THINKING, OKAY, WE PUT
THIS ASSESSMENT IN PLACE, AT SOME POINT THE ASSESSMENT ISN'T
DOING NEW PROJECTS ANYMORE.
IT'S JUST PAYING FOR THE OLDER PROJECTS.
AT WHAT POINT IN TIME DID YOU ASSUME THAT WE WOULD BE DONE
WITH THIS AND WE WOULD NEED TO START ANOTHER FEE OR ANOTHER
ASSESSMENT FOR NEXT TRANCHE OF PROJECTS?
12:35:04PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NOW, BECAUSE THE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN THAT
YUAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, THAT IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE
NEED, YOU KNOW, TO INCREASE THAT ASSESSMENT AND WHAT OTHER
PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT CONTEMPLATED AS PART OF THE 251
MILLION PROGRAM BACK IN 2016 ARE NEEDED AND HOW WE PULL ALL
THAT TOGETHER.
THAT IS YET TO COME NEXT YEAR.
12:35:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
SO THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING I ASKED FOR, THAT I
THINK -- I ASKED MR. CAMPBELL FOR THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF
JUST DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET IT DONE.
$251 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO GET
A LIST OF ALL THOSE PROJECTS AND HOW MANY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH.
WAS THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT ON THIS FROM THE GET-GO?
12:35:58PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IT WAS NOT ON SPECIFICALLY THE SOUTH HOWARD

PROJECT, HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD -- WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECTS.
ABOUT A HUNDRED SMALL YELLOW DOTS IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT MAP.
NINE OF THOSE DOTS WERE ON SOUTH HOWARD.
12:36:17PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
YOU COMBINED THE SMALL INTO ONE.
12:36:20PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
CORRECT.
12:36:20PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL TO BOTH THE
PUBLIC AND COUNCIL BECAUSE MOST OF US WERE NOT HERE WHEN
THIS WAS STARTED, THIS 251 MILLION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS
BALLOONED.
BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE COST.
IF YOU COULD PRESENT US A LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WERE
SUPPOSED TO BE DONE WITH THIS INITIAL, IS IT 2018 OR 2016.
12:36:46PM >> 2016.
12:36:47PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LIST OF THE 2016
IDENTIFIED PROJECTS, HOW MANY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE,
HOW MANY WE STILL HAVE OUTSTANDING, AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS TO
FINISH THOSE PROJECTS.
BECAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO
DO WITH THIS FIRST ASSESSMENT -- NOT THE ASSESSMENT BUT THE
PLAN.
THE FIRST WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE SECOND PHASE FOR THE
SECOND WATERSHED MASTER PLAN.
THOSE WOULD BE FUNDED BY YET A DIFFERENT FEE.
I THINK WHAT THE PUBLIC AND WHAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS

HOW FAR HAVE WE GOTTEN.
WHAT DO WE STILL HAVE LEFT TO DO AND HOW DO WE PLAN TO PAY
FOR IT BECAUSE THAT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS SECONDARY
PORTION.
EVERYONE IS COMING UP HERE CONCERNED THAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD
IS NOT GOING TO BE CARED FOR.
BUT THE ISSUE IS, AS A CITY COUNCIL, AS CITY ADMINISTRATION,
WE HAVE TO CARE FOR EVERYONE.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE STORMWATER RELIEF FOR SO MANY AREAS, AND
WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE QUICKNESS OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE INSANE INCREASE IN COSTS.
BUT WE STILL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF
SERVICE.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE UP HERE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY DOESN'T WANT TO
DO THAT, BUT WE JUST NEED TO SEE WHERE ARE WE, WHAT HAVE WE
GOTTEN DOWN?
I JUST WANT BASICS.
I'M SORRY.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT.
12:38:20PM >> WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
12:38:22PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
WHEN DO YOU THINK WE CAN GET THAT?
12:38:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I'M SORRY.

12:38:27PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I WANT TO ASK WHEN HE THINKS WE'LL GET THE
LIST?
12:38:34PM >>YUAN LI:
STORMWATER SERVICES?
12:38:37PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THE INTEREST OF BREVITY, COUNCILWOMAN
HURTAK HAD REQUESTS, CAN YOU COMPILE THE REQUESTS AND E-MAIL
TO ALL OF US FOR CONSIDERATION?
12:38:45PM >>YUAN LI:
ABSOLUTELY.
GOING BACK TO THE MAP THAT BRANDON WAS PREVIOUSLY SHOWED
HERE, THIS IS BASICALLY SHOWING YOU ALL THE IDENTIFIED
STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE BONDING.
SO THAT'S BY THE RESOLUTION 2015 THAT -- LIST OF PROJECTS
INCLUDING REGIONAL AND 40th STREET NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE
PLUS THE ANNUAL RECURRENT EFFORT -- REHAB AND IN-HOUSE
MICROPROJECTS.
ALSO, WE CAN PROVIDE A LIST BECAUSE BY THIS MAP, YOU CAN SEE
WHERE THEY ARE BY STATUS.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IS IN
ADDITION TO THIS ORIGINAL LIST, WE HAVE 16 PROJECTS THAT WE
HAVE ACCOMPLISHED SINCE THAT TIME.
BECAUSE THESE WERE NOT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED IN THE PLAN
BECAUSE BACK TO THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH --
12:39:51PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
YOU COULD HOLD THAT AND PUT THAT IN THE
REPORT THAT YOU SUBMIT TO US.
WE'RE GETTING LONG ON TIME.
12:39:56PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
THE LIST WOULD BE GREAT.

IF WE COULD HAVE A LIST OF WHAT WAS IN THERE ALREADY AND
THEN A SEPARATE PAGE, THESE NEW PROJECTS THAT WERE ADDED IN
THAT WEREN'T CONSIDERED, THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT JUST A LIST OF THE PROJECTS,
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE STATUS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT, AND ANYTHING
THAT'S ENCUMBERED AND ANYTHING LEFT OVER.
12:40:20PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:40:23PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT AN ASSESSMENT FEE, THAT YOU START
TODAY, GOT TEN ZILLION DOLLARS.
START TODAY, GET SO MUCH MONEY IN IT EVERY YEAR.
THE PROBLEM IN THE CITY, THIS CITY OR ANY OTHER CITY, IT'S
STILL THEIRS, NOT SOLVED.
YOU HAVE SOME MONEY COMING IN, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO START THE
PROJECT.
AM I CORRECT SO FAR?
12:40:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I DON'T FOLLOW YOU.
12:40:47PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MATHEMATICAL THING.
YOU BOND FOR 30 YEARS, WHY?
FIRST OF ALL, YOU GO EIGHT SET INTEREST RATE FOR THAT 30
YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT YOU AGREE UPON.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, YOU START THE PROJECT IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU GET

THE BONDING, AND YOU SAVE YOUR MONEY, INCREASE IN VALUE
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY BUILDING IN VALUE AT THE END OF 30
YEARS, YOU HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S FINISHED, I WOULD IMAGINE
MUCH LESS THAN IF YOU WAIT TO BUILD UP YOUR ASSESSMENT FEE
TO SOME MONEY BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE AN INFLATION FACTOR YOU
NEVER CONSIDERED.
I'M SORRY IF I'M WAY AHEAD OF YOU.
12:41:25PM >> COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA YOU AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WERE
THE ONLY TWO THAT WERE HERE IN 2015 AND 2016 THAT VOTED ON
THE TWO ASSESSMENTS.
AS I SAID EARLIER, AUGUST 2015 WE PRESENTED BOTH
ASSESSMENTS, ONLY THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT WAS APPROVED, AND
THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN MAY OF 2016, THE IMPROVEMENT
ASSESSMENT WAS APPROVED.
BUT IF YOU WILL RECALL, COUNCILMAN, OUR NEEDS WERE MUCH
GREATER THAN 251 MILLION TEN YEARS AGO.
AND WE HAD LONG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND WE ESTIMATED AT THE TIME THAT THE FULL NEEDS WERE ABOUT
750 MILLION.
SO, YOU REMEMBER THAT.
12:42:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I REMEMBER THAT.
LET'S FACE IT, THIS CITY OR ANY OTHER CITY, IT'S IN THE SAME
BOAT THAT WE'RE IN.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT IN 1920 THAT WE'VE
BEEN USING FOR ALL THIS TIME AND NOW IT'S FAILING, LIFE

CYCLE, IT'S GONE.
THE PIPES ARE GONE UNDERGROUND.
WE STARTED THE PIPES PROGRAM.
THE PIPES PROGRAM WORKED WELL FOR A WHILE.
THE PROBLEM IS IT WENT FROM 1.5 MILLION A MILE TO 4.5
MILLION A MILE.
WENT BACK ON IT BECAUSE IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
YOU CAN'T MAKE IT IN.
YOU RUN OUT OF MONEY BEFORE YOU WANT TO FINISH THE PROJECT.
SO THESE THINGS ARE DONE WITH AN INCENTIVE.
HOWEVER, SOMETIMES, YOU HAVE TO BOND TO MAKE BETTERMENT OF
YOUR OWN MONEY THAT YOU'RE USING BECAUSE YOU'RE USING IT FOR
30 YEARS AT THE SAME INTEREST RATE.
AND YOU CAN'T GET THAT AT A BANK.
BANK WON'T GIVE YOU A LOAN AT 30 CAREERS FOR THE SAME RATE.
YOU CAN'T GET A DEPOSIT FOR THAT RATE FOR 30 YEARS, SIX
MONTHS, A YEAR, AND THEN RENEGOTIATE IF YOU HAVE A CD OR
WHATEVER.
IT MAKES SENSE IN A WAY, IN FACT, I REMEMBER ONCE IN SOME
MATH CLASS I TOOK A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT SAID IF I GIVE
YOU A MILLION DOLLARS TODAY OR A PENNY A DAY AND DOUBLE IT,
WHICH WOULD YOU TAKE.
12:43:31PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
I'LL MOVE ON TO YOUNG.
12:43:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ANYWAY, WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU'VE GOT TO DO

WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU DO LOGICALLY.
SOUNDS NOT TOO GOOD WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FIRST.
YOU START DOING THE MATH, YOU CALCULATE WHAT THE NEEDS ARE
AND YOU HAVE A RATE THAT YOU KNOW YOU CAN MEET WITH YOUR
PAYMENT.
THAT'S WHAT THE ASSESSMENT FEE IS ABOUT.
12:43:55PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
12:43:57PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
REALLY QUICKLY, JUST AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
STORMWATER, I THINK BRANDON AND ADAM, YOU ALL WERE THERE
WHEN WE WERE VISITING RIVER GROVE.
PLEASE KEEP RIVER GROVE AT THE FRONT OF YOUR MINDS AS WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER AND THEIR STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
AND THEN WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE 56th AND
BROADWAY PROJECT BEING COMPLETED OR CANCELED.
12:44:23PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
CANCELED BECAUSE PROPERTY OWNER.
12:44:26PM >>YUAN LI:
YES, 56th STREET AND THE BROADWAY PROJECT WAS
CANCELED SIMPLY BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET THE DRAINAGE
EASEMENT.
12:44:36PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
COULDN'T GET THE EASEMENT.
12:44:37PM >>YUAN LI:
CORRECT.
12:44:38PM >>NAYA YOUNG:
FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER.
12:44:40PM >>YUAN LI:
CORRECT.
12:44:48PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
I HAVE A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS AND THEN WE
CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THE REST OF THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE.

I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE BEFORE THE -- WE TALK ABOUT
SOUTH HOWARD IN THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE DO THAT, THAT THERE
IS A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY LOSS THAT
HAS OCCURRED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS IN THAT AREA AND WHAT
WE'RE ACTUALLY ALLEVIATING, WHAT WE'RE INVESTING VERSUS THE
COST OF PROPERTY LOSS.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR A LEGAL OPINION, BECAUSE I'VE
HEARD THIS ASSERTION SEVERAL TIMES, ON THIS ASSESSMENT AND
THE PERCENTAGE OF INVESTMENT OF SOUTH HOWARD, IS THERE A
LEGAL JEOPARDY IN -- BECAUSE THIS ASSESSMENT IS A DEFINED
GEOGRAPHICAL AREA, IS THERE A LEGAL JEOPARDY QUESTION THAT
WE ARE SPENDING A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THAT ASSESSMENT
IN ONE AREA OVER THE LARGER GEOGRAPHICAL AREA THAT THESE
PROPERTIES BEING ASSESSED?
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LEGAL INTERPRETATION OR A LEGAL
POSITION ON THAT BEFORE WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AGAIN.
I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE FOLKS THAT
ARE LISTENING THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS STORMWATER
PREVENTION, IT'S NOT ABOUT STORM SURGE.
GENERALLY IT'S ABOUT FRESHWATER FLOODING.
WE'RE NOT KEEPING THE BAY OR THE GULF OF MEXICO OUT OF OUR
BORDER.
WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT.
IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
AND I JUST WANT A HEADS-UP TO STAFF THAT WE'RE, SOMETIME IN

THIS NEXT EITHER WORKSHOP OR AS WE GET TO THE HEARINGS, WE
NEED TO TALK ABOUT REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND WHAT THE REAL
NUMBERS ARE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I'LL BE QUERYING STAFF ON THAT.
I THINK THAT IS IT.
NOW, FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, IT IS ALMOST 1:00.
I HAVE TO ACTUALLY LEAVE BY 2.
WE'VE ALREADY LOST -- WE LOST ONE FROM BEING SICK.
WE'VE LOST TWO.
I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY -- MY GUT TELLS ME WE SHOULD TRY
TO ROLL PAVING AND MOBILITY INTO NEXT MONDAY NIGHT AND CALL
THIS A DAY.
IF WE DON'T, THEN WE CAN ALWAYS DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AFTER
THAT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
12:47:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
I AGREE.
I THINK THAT WORKS.
BUT I DO HAVE A POINT BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID.
THIS MAP THAT SHOWS THE MAP THAT MS. LI JUST PUT UP, IF
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISPROPORTIONATE PROJECTS, I MEAN, THERE
ARE MORE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN SOUTH TAMPA THAN
THERE HAVE REMOTELY IN DISTRICT 6.
DISTRICT 6 HASN'T GOTTEN ANY PROJECTS REALLY COMPARATIVELY.
EAST TAMPA HASN'T EITHER.
I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK THAT YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH

PROPORTIONATELY BASED ON, LIKE, WHERE THE MEAT IS.
12:47:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ASSESSMENT OF WHEN
THEY MADE THE ANALYSIS OF HOW THEY WERE GOING TO ASSESS
PROPERTIES AND WHO WOULD GET ASSESSED.
I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO CHECK THOSE FACTS.
12:47:48PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
CORRECT.
I ALSO DO BELIEVE YOU CAN'T JUST LOOK AT WHAT IS ALREADY
BEING FLOODED.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT WILL BE FLOODED.
SO THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID FOR THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING.
12:48:04PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS,
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE REST OF THE
MOBILITY PRESENTATION TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP, NEXT MONDAY AT
5:01 P.M.
MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK.
12:48:16PM >>LYNN HURTAK:
BUT ONLY IF IT GOES FIRST.
LIKE LITERALLY FIRST.
12:48:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
WE'LL DO THAT FIRST.
BUCKLE UP.

SORRY, ADAM.
I'M SURE -- YOU AND DANA HAVE ENJOYED OUR COMPANY ALL DAY.
WE'VE BEEN ABSOLUTE DELIGHTS.
12:48:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
12:48:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN:
IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, MOTION
TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, SECOND FROM
COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
OPPOSED?
AYES HAVE IT.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
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