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>>JACK MORRISS: As it exists today?
I couldn't answer that.
>> Would you say yes or would you say no?
>>> My guess is, yes, that they are making --
>> as they are now, with no increases, usage fees, et cetera.
Another thing, Jack.
And I would like you to think about this.
If you are not sure let's have somebody come back with it.
As we stand now, how many people in the city are on a waiting list to have a boat slip?
>>> I have been told that it's a couple hundred.
>> Couple hundred.
Now if we do part of this now and part in throw or four years, I guarantee you that I think the costs of doing this is going to be escalated by at least 15%.
So my question is, we have gone through all of this, 105 viable, you have a waiting list for a product, we are going to produce 54.
I don't understand why we would want to limit it to 54 while there's a demand.
And I don't even expect an answer from you.
But those are my thoughts verbally expressed.
I think it's a good project as it was.
Again I'm not supporting it as it is today.
Thank you, Madam Chairman.
>>> Madam Chairman, would like to explain that answer of a couple hundred.
It's my understanding that couple hundred is a long-standing list of people that's been dating back for a few years.
What the administration has chosen not to do at this point is to go back with a new survey, if you will, or new question to that list of boat owners, after we had something that was tangible, so that we could talk to them and show them, this is the schedule we are going to be under to reconstruct this thing, this is the completion date if you will, these are the fees that we anticipate paying, are you still interested?
Those sorts of things we have been holding off doing until we had an award.
And so that list of 200 may evaporate.
It kind of similar to what we have in the parking garages where at times we have had hundreds of people on waiting lists, and then when we go through, for instance, when we expanded Fort Brooke garage, we did in fact reduce that list to zero.
But many people have been on that list for several years evaporated.
>> But I don't think that's a valid analogy.
The people here decided to get off of that because the administration increased but they had options to go someplace else for free.
I submit to you if we had 200 on that list then, even with an increase in the user fee, with a population growing, and boating continuing to be a good recreational sport, very popular, I don't think that's going to happen.
So we just have philosophical differences.
And I don't mean to hold Madam Chairman's meeting up.
But this is not a good project the way you presented it.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Just one more thing.
Mr. Morriss, it seems to me like a few years ago when we were discussing it, you all came back and told us, we need 105 to make this a viable project, to make it pay for itself.
And now you're coming back to us with 54, and who knows if we are ever going to get the money for it?
It's just ludicrous to me.
I mean, I can't comprehend that 54 is going to be -- that you can pay $6 million for 54, and still not have enough money to go ahead and make some money on it.
I just don't understand.
So I just can't support this.
I'm sorry.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Mr. White, then Mr. Dingfelder.
Then we are going to call the question.
>>KEVIN WHITE: A couple of quick questions for you.
The contractor that was awarded the bid three years ago, or whenever that was --.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Never awarded the bid.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Okay.
Then the low bid at that point in time, are they still in agreement to build the proposed project for the price that was bid three years ago?
>>JACK MORRISS: We haven't talked to the low bidder in a few months.
I'm not sure what their interest might have been or might be.
But I can tell you that our bids, we obligate all bidders to hold their bids for approximately 90 days after we open them.
So that we have enough time to award them.
That time period has evaporated.
Whether that bidder is still interested or not, I don't know.
>>KEVIN WHITE: The other problem I would have, this is rebidded again and repermitted, if we agree to do the 54 at this point in time, and get the permitting for the other, say, 50 for the other three years, or we have a three-year time window on that.
If that expires, because of lack of funding, then we are going to go through this whole arduous process again and be back around the four or $5 million project for an additional 50 slips and that doesn't seem feasible.
>>JACK MORRISS: Well, I'm not sure I would agree with your assessment, Mr. White.
But what I would suggest is there is a time period where if we don't exercise our rights under the permit, to do what we have asked to do, that that permit can expire.
>> The permit will expire.
Then we have to go through this whole process again.
>>> We might be able to extend that permit if we don't in fact add to the project in that time period, I'm not sure that that is a significant extra amount of work.
But I don't know.
But I'm not too sure it would be.
But even if it were, even if we had to resubmit a permit and go through the permitting process, that's a timely process but it's not a costly process.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Not only would you be looking at permitting but also be looking at a rebid because I'm sure the builder and the bidder is not going to do a time uncertain on the amount of bid.
>>> Oh, no.
>> So when the permit expires, I'm a smart businessman, I want to make sure my bid expires at the same time as the permit.
So therefore you have to go through this process again of bidding, and repermitting.
>>> Well, we have to go through the rebidding.
That's certainly true.
Whether we have to go back and repermit, I'm not sure that we would, or to ask for permit extension, or to ask for a permit perceived to be repermitted, I think stepping up to the permitting place the first time.
>>GWEN MILLER: A point of clarification.
You said on the rebidding you are going to start out with 54 and go up to 105 or --.
>>JACK MORRISS: What we had was a base bid.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: For the 54.
>>> I am not actually sure if it has the base bid.
Maybe just to do all the safety-related issues.
But then we start adding the slips, and the series of alternatives.
So I'm not sure if that's in the base bid.
>>GWEN MILLER: But we might have a bid on all the 105.
>>> We will have that plus things that are less than that.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you for that clarification.
I think that really strikes to the matter, what we are voting on is 17 is to get a rebid that includes up to the original proposal.
I think what council -- I'm hearing from council is we want you all to come back to us with the whole ball of wax.
We want to see all the numbers.
>>JACK MORRISS: You should see that, yes, ma'am.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Well, we can request.
>>> When we provide the bid information on award, we generally provide all the information at that time.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: If this doesn't pass, then there's nothing happening.
Mr. Dingfelder.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Madam Chair, you have taken the words out of my mouth.
And -- I just want to tell Mrs. Alvarez one thing.
Your comments are right on with some of the frustrations that the bid is on.
What the administration is proposing does not make a whole lot of business sense.
Because obviously if, as she says, if we can rent out the 100 slips, then we probably should build them.
The problem is, as explained to us through the administration and I think from the mayor itself, is that right now they don't necessarily have the $700,000 capital to guarantee that they can do this.
So instead they are going to bid it again, see how the bids come in, and then make that decision.
I think between now and the next 90 days when those bids come back, if we feel really strongly about it, then each one of us should probably lobby the mayor and say find the $500,000 to do it.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
We are going to vote.
Number 17 to readvertise.
All in favor say Aye.
All opposed say Nay.
Okay.
It's 5-2 vote.
It passed.
Please bring us back the bids when you get them.
>>JACK MORRISS: Yes, ma'am.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you very much.
>>KEVIN WHITE: One thing I would probably like to see done.
Do you have a couple of people that are actually waiting on these slips -- a couple hundred people.
I think we ought to see about recontacting these people and if they are interested let's see if we can do what the Glazers do a deposit box, and show some sincerity, and not only the administration will truly know if we have strong interest, and we get 200 deposits, we know that we can move forward with this project.
And if we only get deposits on ten --.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: If that's a motion, I can second it.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Let's clarify the motion.
I think legal is a little concerned we don't want to go too far in the administration.
Clarify that says they will report back to us on your great idea.
>>KEVIN WHITE: I don't know if it was a great idea.
>>JACK MORRISS: It is a great idea.
We already asked for asking for significant deposits.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: We did it on reclaimed water.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: This is obviously an excellent idea.
In 60 days.
Any more discussion?
All those in favor say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
We will get a report back from the administration on how this is going.
>>ROSE FERLITA: In terms of his motion, at the same time I don't know how we can configure to do this, Mr. White, but maybe let us know what they are doing to also market it to people who are not on the 200 waiting list.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: I see the press.
This is going to get some exposure in the papers, and --.
>>JACK MORRISS: If I might add it was the park and recreations department position that once we had a more solidified schedule then we would in fact advertise in magazines that the voting public normally reads.
So there is an intention to market the facility.
But we have been waiting until we had the specific property.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Mr. Morriss, being the chairman of the parks and recreation department, I certainly would like to be kept in the loop on this thing.
This kind of blind-sided me today.
I would like you to make sure that I know what is going on with the marketing Bayshore marina, please.
>>JACK MORRISS: I'll do my best.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: We are going to move to proposed hearings presented for second reading after public hearing.
>> Move to the public hearings.
>> Second.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Rather than read them now I would like to know if there's anyone in the audience who would like some to speak on them.
We will read them later to move things along.
Is there anyone from the audience who would care to speak on public hearing items 1 through 5?
>> Move to close.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Motion and second.
Excuse me, 1 through 6.
>> Move to close.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's been a motion and second to close.
Passed unanimously.
We will read those later.
We will now move to the appeal hearing schedule for 10 a.m.
We understand the appellant's representative has asked this hearing be rescheduled to January 2004.
I think Mr. Santiago would like to speak.
>>ROLANDO SANTIAGO: Legal department.
I have a memorandum with regard to that the city attorney's office is not opposed to the continuance.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's a motion and second to continue.
We need to have a date certain.
January 15th at 10:00?
>>SHAWN HARRISON: How many times has this been continued?
>>ROLANDO SANTIAGO: This is the third continuance.
First continued to August 21.
Then to September 11.
This is the third continuance.
If I might add, when he contacted me about this, I informed him that basically we are prepared to move forward.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: It seemed like there was a death in the family early on.
>>> Yes, sir.
The first continuance, I believe Mr. Scime's father passed away.
The second continuance, there were some issues that needed to be resolved.
I think there was some opposition.
They were trying to come to a solution with that.
In this third one, you might have a copy of Mr. Scime's letter.
But if you like I can read it in.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: That's okay.
There's been a motion and second to continue to January 15th at 10:00.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
Continued to the 15th of January at 10:00.
Let's have a motion to open --.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Public hearings 8 through 10. And there's a second.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Number 8 is now open.
>>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
The proposal is to amend the zoning code to allow for fencing in the North Franklin Street area.
I have on the Elmo an illustration of the area that's going to -- it's this area that's identified as 1-B.
It's basically bordered by Florida Avenue on the east side, and Tampa street on the west.
The amendment will allow for decorative ornamental fencing, six-foot high in this area.
Clearly the code prohibits anything on the property unless it's vacant.
We have Wilson Stair to answer any questions to urban design as well as Stephani Power who is really the individual who brought forward the concern about security and the redevelopment of this area and the need for some security fencing.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Mr. Harrison.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I just want to state for the record that my law firm owns real estate in this area.
I have confirmed with Ms. Grimes that she does not believe this is a voting conflict because there's no particular gain on our piece of property.
It's district wide.
With that, and if that's the position, then I'm okay with voting for it.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Mr. Stair, briefly, tell us -- I believe you have an illustration of it.
>> Wilson Stair: Not on me, I'm sorry.
Wilson Stair, urban design manager for the city.
We do have specific standards for fences, and what they should look like.
So everybody that brings them in, or makes a proposal to do a fence in this area, will have to go through strict review.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: You would review it?
>>> Yes, ma'am.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Would anyone in the audience care to speak on this?
Please come up and speak.
>>> Good morning.
I'm Ron Cone.
My wife is here with me.
Two of us are the shareholders in Cone and Cone, P.A., downtown.
We own the property on North Florida Avenue and we are going to be one of the most affected by this.
If any of you all -- I think several of you have been at least in the neighborhood.
We have this large parking lot that woe share with the Arlington hotel behind us.
We have had a lot of problems.
And we kind of anticipated that we would, being pioneers in this area.
If you recall, council was kind enough to grant us historic designation for that whole district.
We have had a series of break-ins into cars.
We have had a lot of vagrants, a lot of vagrant sleeping behind our building to the point that several of our lawyers and most of the attorneys in my firm are female, several times they have been trapped in the building unable to get out because there's been somebody sleeping right up against the back door.
We have a lot of problems with cars parking who go to the Florida State office building is right at the end of the street.
A lost people seem to think that our parking lot is part of their parking lot.
They park there all the time.
It makes it very difficult for our employees to park.
And on top of that we have a lot of people who cut through that lot, and some of them very rapidly.
We have had two employees who were almost hit by cars doing at least 30 miles per hour thinking they can cut around and get on Florida real quick.
So throws a real serious safety issue.
I think it's obviously to the city's benefit that that area down there continue to be developed and keep its historic character.
We want to encourage people to come down and start businesses and get that area going.
This is a serious problem.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: So are you speaking in support of this proposal?
>>> Of the fence.
Absolutely.
I'm trying to explain the need for it.
I'm sorry.
Maybe I wasn't clear at the beginning.
Absolutely, we would like the fence.
>>> Hello.
I'm Stephani Ferrell, 3013 west San Carlos.
And I'm here speaking in support of the change to the ordinance that would allow for decorative fencing.
As Ron cone mentioned we have had some issues up there.
My office is in the North Franklin Historic District as well.
I'm often there after dark even in the summer.
And I always look over my shoulder when I walk out of the office in the evening.
So I think we see the need for fencing in the area to be a relatively short-term need.
That is for the next few years while the area is redeveloping, it will assist redevelopment efforts.
I am an owner of the Arlington hotel which shares the parking lot with the cones law firm and also observed the same types of events that Ron has mentioned including radios stolen oust one of my employee's cars in broad daylight, actually.
It a real need.
And I think it will help redevelopment of the district in the near term.
I also have a letter from Russell Pasivey.
How about if I give it to you and you can receive and file it.
He is working with me to potentially redevelop the Arlington hotel and we are very interested in starting that project very soon.
Thank you.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Anyone else care to speak on this issue?
There's been a motion and second to close.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
Mr. White, if you would read number 8.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move an ordinance of the city of Tampa, Florida amending chapter 27, City of Tampa code, amending section 247-441 (H), central business district fence regulations to allow fences in the North Franklin Street district providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's been a motion and second.
Any discussion on the motion?
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
We are going to skip ahead briefly to unfinished business item "I."
The public hearing is closed.
It been placed on the agenda for council action.
The motion before council is for denial.
So we are going to have a hand vote by the clerk because our machines aren't so reliable.
So the motion before council is for denial.
If you support denial, raise your hand.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Before you call for that vote, I need to put something on the record that I have to recuse myself in terms of the voting.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you for the clarification.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I will submit another form for the clerk.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Excellent.
So the motion before council is for denial of this request for an S-2 use.
All those in favor of denying the petition raise your hand.
All those opposed to the denial raise your hand.
So there's been -- okay.
So the petition for denial has been overturned.
So would someone who voted to support it like to make a motion for approval?
Motion for approval and a second.
We are again going to do a hand vote.
All those in favor of the motion for approval raise your hand.
All those opposed raise your hand.
>>THE CLERK: Harrison, white, opposed.
Ferlita abstained.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: The vote is 4 in support.
Two votes against.
The motion is approved.
>>GINA GRIMES: Do you have the ordinance?
>>ROSE FERLITA: In your absence last week I made a comment.
Now that the vote is done, and obviously what I have to say doesn't influence any of my colleagues, I will say again that I have been the pharmacy consultant for ACTS since 1968 or 1969 and to the people in the audience that were opposed to this I will certainly offer my services as liaison in the event they have any problems.
I know ACTS will be a good neighbor.
But I just want to reiterate my support.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Excuse me.
There's a lady on crutches right here.
Would you like to speak?
The meeting was closed and that's why we didn't allow any more comment.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I will move it formally.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Yes.
Mr. Dingfelder.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Move an ordinance approving a special use permit S-2 commercial off-street parking approving a special use permit S-2 profession residential treatment facility in CI and CG 6806 north Nebraska Avenue in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more particularly described in section 1 hereof providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: All those in support of the motion say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
>>THE CLERK: Harrison and white, no.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Ferlita abstains.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Going back to our 10:00 hearings.
Item number 9.
>>GLORIA MOREDA: Land development.
The proposal is for a home occupation located at 2105 West Sligh Avenue.
The petitioners are indicating that they are going to be complying with all the requirements of the home occupation.
It is for a one-chair beauty salon.
Except for the request for a sign two feet by three feet that would be placed approximately four feet from the house, two feet off the ground.
Staff went to the site.
This area of Sligh Avenue about one block east and west, you will have commercial uses along Sligh Avenue.
But this particular block of Sligh is totally residential.
We are concerned about the impact that this additional signage would have.
The zoning code under a home occupation allows for a two-inch by 12 inch name plate to be placed on the front lawn of the house and feel that really that is sufficient for home occupation.
Petitioner is here, though.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: The petitioner is requesting the larger sign?
>>> Yes.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: To stand in the yard as opposed to the house.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Why doesn't the petitioner come forward?
And then the neighbors.
Give us your name, address, and you might speak to why you want the free-standing sign.
>>> I'm speaking on behalf of my father.
And my address is 2105 west Sligh Avenue.
And because I request -- my father requests for the larger sign because the street is relatively large, and the speed is very -- the cars go by is really fast.
And with that 2 inch by 12 inch is too small for even like the cars to even see the sign.
So we request the larger sign to locate it near the house, so people can see it.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Questions by council members.
Mrs. Alvarez.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Isn't your type of business where -- you don't want walk-in customers.
I'm sure you don't.
I mean, you're one chair.
Don't you have an established clientele now?
>>> My father just moved here like ten years ago, and he spent three years trying to get his license.
And woe don't have the resource, and we just moved into the neighborhood.
So we haven't established a clientele yet.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Can't you just put the sign on your house?
The reason we are asking for the waiver is you're in a residential neighborhood.
And I don't think that's going to work too well.
>>> I understand that.
But before we bought the house, we thought it would be commercial because it's on Sligh and relatively large street.
And like over like another block, we are in the middle of two commercial areas, and we thought it would be commercial.
And we didn't know.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Would anybody else care to speak?
Are there any other questions by council members of the petitioner?
I have a question.
On either side of your house, are there residences or businesses?
Right and the left.
>>> Both resident.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Is there a motion to close?
>>SHAWN HARRISON: So moved.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Second.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: The request before council is actually have the home occupation.
And the petitioner has requested that the sign, council has the ability to vote to allow them to have the home occupation.
But we have also the decision powers to let them do a larger sign or the smaller sign that the staff recommended.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: This is in the gardens association neighborhood.
And I don't see anybody from the association here that would object to this.
I don't mind them having the occupational use.
But I think this sign is a little bit -- well, if they can put in a two by 12 sign --.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Is that a motion?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Yes, I'll make a motion to allow it.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: To allow the larger sign?
>>> Yes.
>> Second.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I agree with councilwoman Alvarez.
There would be someone here objecting if they thought it was a problem.
And there's commercial on either side.
And it is Sligh.
It not like it's going on some tiny residential street in South Tampa.
I'm okay with it, too. And good luck.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Any other discussion on the motion?
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I was just going to say, I think it's wonderful, obviously ten years in this country, part of the American dream, and it's not a big sign.
It's a small sign.
So let's go for it.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Any discussion on the discussion?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move an ordinance approving a special use permit S-1 on appeal from a decision of the zoning administrator approving the location and construction of home occupation beauty salon at 2105 west Sligh Avenue in an RS zoning district in the city of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 waiving the limitation of exterior signage to allow the placement of a brown sign in the front yard providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's been a motion and second.
Any more discussion?
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
Item number 10 is a continued public hearing.
>>CATHERINE COYLE: Land development.
This is the first time it's been heard.
The first page is the site plan.
You will see elevations and floor plans of the units.
This property is at the northwest corner of Martin Luther King Boulevard and 15th street.
The petition is to rezone the property at 1412 east Martin Luther King Boulevard to construct eleven three-story town home units and three detached units in the rear of the property. The site plan shows two access points to 15th street and one to Ida street. The townhouse units contain approximately 2800 square feet and the single family residences contain approximately 3,000 square feet.
All of the units on the site provide for a large front porch feature as well.
There is a grand tree adjacent to Ida street that measures 40 inches in diameter.
It is going to be preserved and protected per the Parks Department requirements.
Several new shade trees are also shown throughout the property.
There's approximately one to two new shade trees for each unit proposed.
There is also a six-foot decorative metal fence shown along the perimeter of the property.
And there is also a hedge that wraps the entire property.
I noted the reasons for recommendation.
There are three criteria for single family attached dwellings which are the townhouses along Martin Luther King.
The rear walls of the unit shall not face the street right-of-way.
All of these units do face either a private or public street.
The auto storage must be contained within a two-car garage at all times as units do contain a two-car garage.
And there shall be no more than three to eight units in a row.
The first row contains six.
The second row contains five.
So it met the criteria for that.
I did include in the findings of fact the purpose for site plan control districts for council to consider.
I also noted that when you travel Martin Luther King from Nebraska to 15th and even beyond it's actually a mix of a lot of different uses, residential.
There are some commercial uses.
The introduction of town homes and single family on this corner would actually help to establish that corner and blend into the neighborhood to the north.
Staff had no objections.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Petitioner.
>>> Michael Brooks.
We are proposing to use the property -- this is my wife.
I am not really aware of what I am supposed to say.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Actually, you have done a really good job.
Why don't you see if there's any comment from the public, if you want to respond.
Would anyone from the public care to speak on this petition?
>>MARY ALVAREZ: I have a comment.
I'd like to know if this is for a fee simple.
>>> We spend to sell.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Sell.
>>> Andrew Baker, 911 East McBerry Street, southeast Seminole Heights neighborhood association.
This is a project to be commended.
In our neighborhood, we are encouraging new development and new investment in the community.
There's only so much commercial that can be supported on commercial roadways.
And you this makes it residential.
Town who's houses provide an option for people that want to live in our neighborhood and provide more consumers for demand to activate hopefully Nebraska Avenue.
We are totally supportive of this project.
The petitioner also plans to live on the site in one of the three single-family homes that are proposed for the site.
It blends in with the neighborhood.
And we are supportive.
Thank you very much.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Any other comments from the public?
>>ROSE FERLITA: Move to close.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>KEVIN WHITE: Mr. Brook, I would like to commend the project as well.
It looks beautiful.
I think it's a welcome addition to the neighborhood.
Well needed in the implementation of revitalization.
I commend you for it.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Just to add to that.
I think you know what the sense is from council.
But I do want to add my compliments to Mr. Brooks.
I agree with Mr. Baker.
These are the types of projects the neighborhood wants and talk about doing exactly what you are supposed to do.
I have run into Mr. Brooks, but he and Mrs. Brooks have done their due diligence, attending southeast Seminole Heights civic association meetings, interacting with the neighborhood, and obviously they have the support of the entire neighborhood.
And good luck to both of you.
This is a great project.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Mrs. Miller.
>>GWEN MILLER: Ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 1412 East Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard more particularly described in section 1 there from zoning district classification CG and RS-50 to PD single-family attached and detached, providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: This is going to be a very enthusiastic vote, I can tell.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
Good luck.
Continuing with unfinished business.
Item "A" we have continued.
Item "B".
Mr. Dingfelder.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I received a lot of feedback, including feedback from the former Mayor Greco.
I think we probably need more time on this item.
So actually I'm just going to move to pull it for now and we'll get input from the community on the appropriate way to honor Mayor Greco.
And then we will bring it back at a later date.
I move to pull it.
>> Second.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: All those in favor --.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I certainly agree with Mr. Dingfelder.
And I had some conversation with the mayor as well.
I know he had spoken to you as length, John.
He asks me to thank you guys for the consideration.
But just some small comments from him that he thought the issue of the street naming should be a consideration in terms of the St. Pete Times Forum simply from the business standpoint.
He didn't want to get into it more than that but he thought that would be a more appropriate Avenue, as a natural component to that entire name right.
I also asked him to consider doing something else that he might like to have named in his honor.
And Mrs. Saul-Sena, I think you are the one that said we should wait a little longer to maybe find something that adequately memorializes what he did for the city.
So my question is, Ms. Grimes, based is pulling it the same as putting it on pending?
What do we do if we want to come back with something that's a suggestion?
We could start it again?
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Yes.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: That was the intent of the motion.
Oh [Motion Carried Unanimously]
Item "C".
>>ROSE FERLITA: Last week, I told my colleagues that we finally were going to put this issue to rest in terms of off-duty, extra-duty program.
I called a meeting last Monday with Gina Grimes, Bonnie Wise, Kirby Rainsberger, and Della.
It was my understanding we had this done.
But for some reason Ron Ibarra didn't find his way of telling us that Cindy Miller was having an ongoing audit about the same program which I want to tell you publicly I certainly don't appreciate because he had an hour's worth of time to tell us that, and that would have made reduced the embarrassment of saying yes, it's coming back, know no, it's not coming back.
So for some reason that exchange of info was thought not necessary and I think it was.
As we all know, especially my colleagues that were here before, any of the audits that Cindy Miller does is quite intense, quite articulate.
So she asked that I pull this and put it on the pending calendar for four or five weeks and I think the discussion of her audit with any input we have to make this whole program is the right way to address it.
So that being said I would like to most.
And I also would like to ask Mr. Ibarra again to advise any other auditing info comes to surface between now and then not to be shy, to share it.
I would really appreciate that.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Second.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: I want to thank you for staying on top of the issue.
And I do look forward to the audit.
Any other discussion?
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
This will appear back on our agenda --.
>>ROSE FERLITA: In probably five to six weeks.
Let's put it on pending.
Mrs. Miller will let us know and I will bring it back to council.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Item "D".
>>ROSE FERLITA: Move to receive and file the report from Curtis Lane.
>> Second.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: I believe we are at old new business.
>> No, we are not.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Move we receive and file the memorandum.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: We are not through yet.
We have to read the ordinances.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Oh, yes.
You're right.
How quickly we forget.
Thank you.
We need to vote on item "F".
(Motion carried)
Receive and file the memo.
Second readings.
Certainly we are doing better timingwise than usual.
Mr. White, if you would read number 1.
We have already opened and closed them.
And now they are ready to be read.
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move an ordinance authorizing the construction and erection of a certain proposed encroachment canopy over a portion of the public right-of-way known as west Swann Avenue as more particularly described herein subject to certain terms, covenants, conditions and agreement as more particularly described herein, providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's a motion and second.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>KEVIN WHITE: Move to adopt an ordinance authorizing the construction and erection of a certain proposed encroachment canopy over a portion of the public right-of-way known as west Swann Avenue as more particularly described herein, subject to certain terms, covenants, conditions, and agreements as more particularly described herein, providing an effective date.
>> Second.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Vote and record.
>>THE CLERK: Motion carried.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: I have a question for the clerk on number 2.
Do we need to remove this from the agenda?
>>THE CLERK: Receive and file.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's a motion and second to receive and file.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Item number 3.
Mrs. Ferlita.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Move an ordinance approving a special use S-2 approving a drive-in bank in a CG zoning district in the general vicinity of 3017 West Gandy Boulevard in the city of Tampa, Florida and as more particularly described in section 1 hereof reducing the required 50 foot residential setback to 14 feet from the eastern property reducing the required 15 foot buffer on the eastern side to 3 feet providing an effective date.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: I'm sorry, it was 56-1 vote.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Vote and record.
>>THE CLERK: Motion carried with Dingfelder voting no.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Item number 4.
Mr. Harrison.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Move an ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP-R), for consumption on premises only in connection with a restaurant business establishment on that certain lot, plot, or tract of land located at 11148 north 30th street, Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in section 2 hereof waiving certain restrictions as to distance based on certain findings providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's been a motion and second.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
(File WZ-03-138)
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Vote and record.
>>THE CLERK: Motion carried.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Ms. Miller, number 5.
>>GWEN MILLER: An ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of alcoholic content for consumption on premises only in connection with a restaurant business establishment on that certain lot, plot or tract on land located at 11148 -- say what?
Sorry.
5.
An ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor 4(COP), for consumption on the premises and in sealed containers for consumption off the premises in connection with a restaurant business establishment and catering service on that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 2007 North 22nd STREET, Tampa, Florida waiving certain restrictions as to the distance based upon certain findings for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
>> Second.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>GWEN MILLER: Move to adopt an ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, 4(COP), for consumption on the premises and in sealed containers for couples off the premises in connection with a restaurant business establishment and catering service on that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 2007 North 22nd Street, Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in section 2 hereof waiving certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Vote and record.
>>THE CLERK: Motion carried.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Mrs. Alvarez, would you take number 6.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: Move an ordinance making lawful the sale of beverages containing alcohol of more than 1% by weight and not more than 14% by weight and wines regardless of alcoholic content, beer and wine, 2(COP-R), for consumption on premises only in connection with a restaurant business establishment on that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 2551 north Dale Mabry Highway, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2 hereof, waiving certain restrictions as to distance based upon certain findings, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing an effective date.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
(File WZ-03-153).
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Vote and record.
>>THE CLERK: Motion carried.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you.
Mr. White, old or new business.
>>KEVIN WHITE: I have one thing.
I had quite a few calls this week from constituents in the east Tampa area who had gotten code enforcement citations, and they were based on the canvas aluminum top shed carports, and they are not getting any warning in the stores or anywhere else or even in the city that these are code and zoning violations in the City of Tampa, the huge aluminum poles with the canvas tops that some people can't afford carports, or the fixed fixtures, even though they are tied down, but they have canvas or tarpolian tops over them.
And it's a great cost savings for them where they can keep their new or restored car covered.
And I just think I would like some clarification from zoning for next week on the agenda, to see where we can possibly head in a positive direction rather than finings.
I have had several calls in my district.
I don't know if this is affecting anyone else's district.
There's quite a few throughout the city.
>> I am seeing other council members nod.
So is there a second to the motion?
>>ROSE FERLITA: Second.
Mr. White, you are right.
I think we have had a proliferation of those code enforcement citations because of the systematic type of pressure.
But as we have gone through different parts of the city, as many of my colleagues, that has been an issue and whether it's grandfathered in, whether it's stationery or fixed or whatever, the hazard part in terms of if we had a hurricane or tornado or something, that could propel them and do something.
And I think there was an issue whether or not it's in the backyard.
I think it's a good point to clarify.
Hopefully we will clarify so 20 people won't come up and ask about it like what happened with the garage sale thing.
But I think it's a good idea for us to have the constituents re-understand what's going on with that.
>>> I even had some of them e-mail me pictures, and what I have seen, it's certainly not a detracter to the neighborhood, especially when you have four or five on the block, and some of them are actually fairly attractive.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Any more discussion on the motion?
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
So we'll have a representative from code enforcement appear --.
>>KEVIN WHITE: I think it's going to be zoning.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Zoning, to clarify.
>>KEVIN WHITE: We may want to have code enforcement here as well.
That way they can be in sync with each other.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Let's have someone from both departments.
Thank you.
>>ROSE FERLITA: One issue for me, too.
First of all, last Saturday night I attended a football game between TPD and Tampa fire rescue as a benefit, a fund-raiser for the young man, who is suffering from a brain tumor, and TPD beat Tampa fire rescue quite well.
So I congratulate them for doing that.
That's not really what I was doing.
Actually, I was talking about an issue for Tampa fire rescue.
But while attending that football game, I was able to talk to some of the firefighters, and they have got an issue, and I need some clarification from their behalf as well.
I think we all remember that we were going to look to next year as an improvement as far as our discussions on unfunded budget issues.
And I think we rushed through that.
And we talked about from the standpoint of Tampa fire rescue, they were going to eliminate some higher level positions in the fire department.
And because of that we were going to save about 262,000 dollars and we were going to look at that to implement hiring seven additional firefighters on the street.
And I think we talked about that from the standpoint of public safety.
Well, the money is there for that purpose.
And we haven't seen anything yet.
From my research we are down 31 firefighter positions, 12 of those have been filled with temporary positions that we have in place, and that still leaves 19 positions.
In talking to some of the firefighters at Wharton high school they were concerned because now we are in a situation where it's mandatory to do overtime, and when you work the shifts that firefighters do, I'm not sure that's good for morale or for public safety.
So I think we need to look at that.
In addition to that, I would like some clarification, there have been some 263s at City Hall for about three weeks for positions, one district chief, five captains, two driver engineers, one lieutenant, four paramedics, and I don't understand the delay.
But if we finish those positions, assignments or promotions, then that means we have room important more people at the lower level which we need.
So that concerns me.
Because of that I would like to make a motion that Chief Green, Sarah Lang and Jim Stefan come next week and discuss these concerns where we are at it from the standpoint of public safety.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: There's a motion and two seconds.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Mr. Harrison?
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes, Madam Chair.
For those of you who have been here for awhile, we took a helicopter tour of new Tampa shortly after we were all elected, and I think it gave us all a good sense of growth, exponential growth occurring out there.
And I just wondered if there's any interest in doing that again.
We have a couple of major road projects that we are now winding up the study phases on, and there's going to be action taken on a couple of those here within the next six months or so.
And this is something that everyone is interested in, we'll work with your calendars and try to arrange a time that we can all go up and have a look.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: I'll provide the Dramamine.
>> All go up at the same time.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: It's a little helicopter.
TPD provides it.
It's actually a lot of fun.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Is it one that's equipped or not equipped with a gyro cam?
(Laughter)
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'll second the motion.
And I'll just add, I hope that we do it during a rush hour.
I think rush hour would probably be better so we can really see what we are talking about.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: We'll make a point of trying to schedule it during rush hour.
>>ROSE FERLITA: That was really enlightening to see what's actually out there rather than just the papers.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Again a motion and two seconds.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
You'll let us No..
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes, ma'am.
>>GWEN MILLER: Nothing.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: A few weeks ago I brought up the issue of having the legal department looking into the defibrillators, and I see where the city has put these defibrillators -- I can't even pronounce the word -- in the public facilities, and I have come to the conclusion that it's really not in our purview to have people putting these -- establishments to putting these things in.
So therefore I would like to remove it from the pending calendar.
And I'm glad that the city has taken the initiative of putting it into our public facilities.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>SHAWN HARRISON: And Mrs. Alvarez, I appreciate that.
I think that's a good move on your part.
They are a great idea.
But should government be mandating that sort of thing.
>>ROSE FERLITA: Even on opposing sides it was a good idea.
First of were doing that in terms of due diligence for public safety.
Second look at it, are we able to do that?
Again if we do agree to do that, if they don't have the trained personnel available, then so I agree with you.
And I agree with our friend here.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: We do have them in these facilities here.
But I don't believe that we have the trained personnel to take care of them.
So we need to find out from administration what they are planning to do.
>>ROSE FERLITA: I second it.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: You didn't have to make a motion.
I will find out when they can schedule training.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: I think that it would behoove the health clubs, all these others, if they want to do it, that's their business.
And they can pay for their own defribillator.
But as far as Mr. Harrison said, it not the government's purview to do that.
Thank you very much.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Mr. Dingfelder.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Earlier in the morning, we had a very quick discussion that came up about the monopole.
But my suggestion was not about the monopole.
But what Ms. Grimes said was alluding to is we have an inconsistency between the codes, the regular zoning code says they can't just pull an item and then bring it back two months later, that we have this year waiting thing, special use permit doesn't say anything to that, I don't think.
So I would -- I believe as we are trying to make our notice consistent, I think as many codes as we can should be consistent.
And I would move for legal staff to -- future reference, it won't affect the monopole issue, future reference to amend the code.
So the special use permit, and any other similar type of codes, would have similar waiting periods.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Is there a second?
I'll second it.
I think consistency in the code is a good thing.
Mr. Harrison.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: Yes, I'll second it for discussion, and then for preparation.
And we'll discuss it in further detail.
I'm not sure the pros and cons of it applying across the board like that.
But certainly --.
>>GINA GRIMES: I think one thing that comes up quite often is there are procedure differences between special use petitions and zoning petitions.
And I'm not really sure why that has occurred that way.
But the procedural process for both should basically be the same.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: We'll let you research it.
All those in favor say Aye.
Opposed, Nay.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
I have a few quick things.
We received a request by the Planning Commission to show a 15-minute video describing the Tampa Heights neighborhood planning process.
I suggested that they show it at 8:45 on December 4th.
So it's prior to the council meeting, and so the public can see it, and council members who arrive a little early.
So I would like to put that on the calendar.
>>MARY ALVAREZ: So moved.
>> Second.
(Motion carried)
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Is that the meeting we went to, the planning meeting we went to?
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Yes.
And Tampa Heights brought people.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: Oh, no, different meeting.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Then I've had a number of calls about the question that's arisen about swearing people in to tell the truth before they testify before council, in quasi-judicial proceedings.
They do this before the barrio, the HPC, and I think some other boards.
So I would like to ask if we have a council volunteer to work with Shirley Foxx-Knowles and Gina Grimes to see if there's a noncumbersome process that we can undertake.
>>SHAWN HARRISON: I'll dot.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Thank you, Mr. Harrison.
And last but not least, Melanie Higgins wants to come next week under new business and discuss some tree issues, improvements to our tree ordinance that T.H.A.N. has drafted.
Many of you are aware of the tree crisis we are having right now in Hyde Park: So it's very timely.
>>ROSE FERLITA: So moved.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: Let's make it a time certain like 11:00.
Motion and second to have Melanie Higgins as a T.H.A.N. representative come at 11:00.
>>ROSE FERLITA: The same thing you are talking about is a half block away from my house.
That's awful.
>>CHAIRMAN SAUL-SENA: We haven't voted.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
Any other council discussion?
There's a motion and second to receive and file the documents.
[Motion Carried Unanimously]
Now we come to the portion of our meeting where the public can speak on anything that's not on the agenda.
(Meeting adjourned.)