TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2018
WORKSHOP SESSION
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8:13:09AM
9:05:40AM [SOUNDING GAVEL]
9:05:41AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
9:05:42AM WE NEED TO HAVE QUIET.
9:05:43AM WE NEED TO HAVE QUIET.
9:05:49AM I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
9:05:51AM I YIELD TO MR. MANISCALCO.
9:05:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:05:54AM IT IS A PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME A VERY GOOD FRIEND
9:05:58AM TO THE TAMPA COMMUNITY, A MAN WHO REALLY NEEDS NO
9:06:02AM INTRODUCTION.
9:06:03AM THE GENTLEMAN WHO IS THE CARETAKER OF THE WORLD FAMOUS
9:06:08AM COLUMBIA RESTAURANT, IN YBOR CITY IN TAMPA, ICONIC PLACE
9:06:14AM THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS.
9:06:15AM I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME MR. RICHARD GONZMART TO GIVE THE
9:06:18AM INVOCATION THIS MORNING.
9:06:19AM PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF
9:06:21AM ALLEGIANCE.
9:06:22AM >> REQUIRES TWO VERSES THAT SEEM VERY SIMPLE AND THAT'S
9:06:30AM HONESTY AND COURAGE.
9:06:32AM ALL OF YOU ON THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE EARNED THAT RIGHT.
9:06:38AM LET US SETTLE OUR HEARTS FOR JUST A MOMENT IN PRAYER.
9:06:41AM GOD OF JUSTICE AND MERCY, THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE.
9:06:45AM AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SERVE
9:06:47AM THE PEOPLE OF OUR CITY.
9:06:49AM HELP THEM TO ACT WITH CHARACTER AND CONVICTION.
9:06:53AM HELP THEM TO LISTEN WITH UNDERSTANDING AND GOODWILL.
9:06:56AM HELP THEM TO SPEAK WITH CHARITY.
9:06:59AM GIVE THEM THE SPIRIT OF SERVICE, AND REMIND THEM THAT THEY
9:07:03AM ARE THE STEWARDS OF OUR AUTHORITY.
9:07:06AM GUIDE TO THEM TO BE THE LEADERS YOUR PEOPLE NEED.
9:07:09AM HELP THEM TO SEE HUMANITY AND DIGNITY OF THOSE WHO DISAGREE
9:07:13AM WITH THEM AND TO TREAT ALL PERSONS NO MATTER HOW, YOUR
9:07:21AM REFUSE -- REVERENCE, YOUR CREATION DESERVE, AND HELP A
9:07:27AM COMMUNITY WORTHY OF YOUR BLESSINGS.
9:07:29AM WE ASK THIS AS YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS CONFIDENT IN YOUR
9:07:33AM GOODNESS AND LOVE.
9:07:34AM AMEN.
9:07:34AM [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
9:07:51AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ROLL CALL.
9:07:57AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: HERE.
9:08:00AM >>HARRY COHEN: HERE.
9:08:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:08:03AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: PRESENT.
9:08:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:08:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:08:07AM >>FRANK REDDICK: HERE.
9:08:08AM ALL RIGHT.
9:08:10AM WE GO AHEAD WITH PRESENTATIONS.
9:08:19AM MR. MIRANDA.
9:08:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT MY PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU THIS
9:08:33AM MORNING FOR OFFICER OF THE MONTH AND WE HAVE OFFICER JAMES
9:08:38AM O. WILCHER, AND WHAT HE HAS DONE IS SOMETHING NEXT TO
9:08:44AM HEROIC.
9:08:44AM WHEN YOU SEE WHAT THE POLICE OFFICER, THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO
9:08:48AM WEAR THE BADGE APPROXIMATE 365 DAYS A YEAR, 24 HOURS A DAY,
9:08:52AM TO PROTECT US, REALIZE THAT THIS COUNTRY IS GETTING MORE AND
9:08:57AM MOVER DIVIDED.
9:08:58AM AND IT'S NOT JUST HERE IN TAMPA BUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS
9:09:01AM WHOLE COUNTRY.
9:09:02AM PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO CARRY GUNS, CARRY KNIVES, WHEN WE
9:09:06AM WERE KIDS, NO ONE HAD A KNIFE AND GUN IN SCHOOL.
9:09:09AM NO ONE HAD IT IN THE SCHOOL BUS.
9:09:12AM WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?
9:09:13AM AND THANK GOD IN TAMPA WE.
9:09:15AM GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET, BUT I HOPE WE NEVER DO.
9:09:18AM BECAUSE IN REALITY, WE COULD BE THE NEXT ONE.
9:09:21AM I WANT TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONALLY FOR WHAT
9:09:23AM YOU ARE DOING, ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN, OVER A THOUSAND
9:09:27AM OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, ESPECIALLY OFFICER WILCHER FOR
9:09:34AM WHAT HE'S DONE.
9:09:35AM CHIEF.
9:09:35AM >> BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE.
9:09:40AM LIKE MR. MIRANDA SAID, WE ARE HERE TO ONCE A MONTH WE HONOR
9:09:43AM A POLICE OFFICER FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THEY DO.
9:09:46AM AND I WANT TO TELL YOU IF I CAN JUST TAKE A MOMENT, I KNOW
9:09:49AM THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE ON HOW WE POLICE OUR COMMUNITY,
9:09:52AM BUT I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU
9:09:55AM SUPPORT THE METROPOLITAN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
9:09:58AM IT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED AND IT VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
9:10:01AM AND I SINCERELY MEAN THAT FOR ALL OF YOU.
9:10:04AM WE ARE HERE FOR OFFICER JAMES WILCHER WHO RESPONDED TO
9:10:11AM SOMEONE CALLED A NONBREATHER AT NORTH PERRY, USED A DEVICE
9:10:18AM TO REVIVE THE MALE SUSPECT AND HE WAS ABLE TO SAVE HIS LIFE,
9:10:22AM AND ANOTHER TIME RESPONDED TO AN OVERDOSE CALL.
9:10:30AM THE MALE WAS REVIVED AND THEN RECOVERED AT THE HOSPITAL.
9:10:35AM LATER ON A DIFFERENT INCIDENT HE WAS ON HIS DAY OFF AND HE
9:10:37AM WAS FISHING OUT IN THE BAY AND HE WAS ON HIS PERSONAL BOAT
9:10:40AM OUT BY THE GANDY BRIDGE.
9:10:42AM HE WITNESSED A SUBJECT PURPOSELY JUMP OFF THE BRIDGE AND
9:10:46AM ORDERED -- IN ORDER TO END HIS LIFE.
9:10:49AM OFFICER WILCHER HELD HIS HEAD ABOVE WATER UNTIL MARINE UNITS
9:10:53AM COULD RESPOND.
9:10:54AM HE WAS OFF DUTY, ON HIS OWN TIME.
9:10:57AM WE HAD ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD DO A MEDIA INTERVIEW, AND HE
9:11:02AM REALLY WAS RELUCTANT TO DO IT.
9:11:04AM HIS RESPONSE WAS HE JUST DID IT BECAUSE IT WAS THE RIGHT
9:11:06AM THING AND HE DIDN'T WANT ANY RECOGNITION FOR IT.
9:11:08AM I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HIS CHARACTER.
9:11:12AM ANOTHER INCIDENT HE RESPONDED TO BROADWAY BAR FOR A
9:11:15AM DISTURBANCE.
9:11:15AM HE OBSERVED A MALE SUBJECT CARRYING A FIREARM AND THAT
9:11:18AM PERSON WAS FOUND TO BE A CONVICTED FELON.
9:11:21AM DUE TO HIS DILIGENCE AND HIS DOCUMENTATION THAT SUBJECT WAS
9:11:24AM CHARGED AND RECENTLY SENTENCED TO 19 YEARS IN PRISON.
9:11:28AM ANOTHER TIME HE CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STOP FOR IMPROPER TURN,
9:11:32AM AN ODOR OF MARIJUANA COMING FROM THE VEHICLE.
9:11:35AM OFFICER WILCHER LOCATED 563 GRAMS OF MARIJUANA INSIDE THE
9:11:39AM VEHICLE.
9:11:40AM THE SUBJECT WAS ALREADY ON PROBATION FOR ROBBERY WITH A
9:11:43AM DEADLY WEAPON AND NOW VIOLATED HIS PROBATION.
9:11:46AM WITHIN ONE YEAR OFFICER WILCHER MADE A VAST AMOUNT OF
9:11:50AM ARRESTS FOR PROLIFIC FELONS BUT ALSO MADE GREAT ATTEMPTS TO
9:11:54AM SAVE THE LIVES OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HE SERVE ITSELF.
9:11:57AM IN RECOGNITION OF HIS HARD WORK HE HAS BEEN NAMED OFFICER OF
9:11:59AM THE MONTH.
9:12:00AM THANK YOU.
9:12:01AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:12:01AM >> DAVE CARMACK, PRESIDENT OF PBA, WITH ME OUR TREASURER.
9:12:19AM THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO EVERY DAY FOR US AND ALL THE
9:12:22AM MEMBERS.
9:12:22AM TODAY WE ARE HERE TO HONOR JIMMY, AND IT'S BEEN MY HONOR TO
9:12:26AM WORK WITH JIMMY.
9:12:28AM I WATCHED HOW HARD HE WORKS TO BECOME AN OFFICER.
9:12:32AM HE LATER HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF RIDING WITH HIM IN YBOR DURING
9:12:36AM SOME BIKE PATROLS AND WATCHING WHAT A GREAT COP HE IS.
9:12:40AM AND SO TODAY, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING OUR MEMBER.
9:12:45AM ON BEHALF OF THE MEMBERS I WANT TO THANK YOU, ME PERSONALLY
9:12:53AM FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP WITH, THIS WATCH.
9:12:56AM AND BUSCH GARDENS COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY BUT HE ASKED ON
9:12:58AM BEHALF OF ALL OF BUSCH GARDENS THAT WE PRESENT FOUR
9:13:02AM COMPLEMENTARY TICKETS TO BUSCH GARDENS.
9:13:07AM >> DAN MATHIS, CHIEF SECURITY STAFF.
9:13:21AM IN TODAY'S CLIMATE, WHAT WE SEE TODAY IS HATE AND THINGS
9:13:25AM GOING ON.
9:13:27AM IT'S NICE TO KNOW THAT HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY PEOPLE WILL GO
9:13:31AM ABOVE AND BEYOND OFF-DUTY, MORE IMPORTANTLY TO HELP SOMEONE.
9:13:36AM AND I THINK THAT COMMUNITY, THAT FAMILY HERE IN TAMPA BAY,
9:13:42AM EVERYBODY, FOR KEEPING US SAFE AND I APPRECIATE IT.
9:13:46AM THANK YOU.
9:13:47AM TWO TICKETS FOR YOU AND YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER TO ONE OF OUR
9:13:52AM AWARD-WINNING SHOWS.
9:13:54AM THANK YOU.
9:13:54AM >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE.
9:14:03AM OFFICER WILCHER ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, OUR FAMILY,
9:14:06AM THOSE THAT WORK AND PLAY AND LIVE HERE, THANK YOU FOR MAKING
9:14:08AM THE CITY OF TAMPA A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
9:14:11AM AND WE HOPE THAT YOU ENJOY AND COME TO THE COLUMBIA
9:14:16AM RESTAURANT SO YOU CAN HAVE FUN.
9:14:17AM THANK YOU.
9:14:17AM >> STEPPS TOWING SERVICE.
9:14:27AM OFFICER, CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
9:14:29AM I WOULD LIKE -- YOU LIKE TO FISH.
9:14:33AM HERE IS MY PHONE NUMBER.
9:14:34AM I'M YOUR GUY, OKAY?
9:14:36AM (LAUGHTER)
9:14:37AM ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPP'SS, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU
9:14:40AM ON A JOB WELL DONE AND PRESENT YOU WITH A NIGHT OUT IN OUR
9:14:44AM COMPANY LIMOUSINE AND A BASS PRO GIFT CARD.
9:14:48AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:14:48AM >> MARY LOU BAILEY ON BEHALF OF ZOO TAMPA LOWRY PARK.
9:14:58AM WE ARE PRESENTING YOU WITH A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP FOR THE WHOLE
9:15:01AM YEAR, AND INCLUDES ADMISSION TO EVENTS LIKE OUR HALLOWEEN
9:15:08AM EVENT GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
9:15:09AM ON A PERSONAL NOTE I JUST GRADUATED FROM THE TAMPA POLICE
9:15:13AM CITIZENS ACADEMY.
9:15:15AM IT'S AN AWESOME EXPERIENCE.
9:15:16AM I DID NOT CHOOSE TO GET PAID.
9:15:21AM BUT GOING THROUGH THOSE SCENARIOS, THE LIVE SCENARIOS, I
9:15:26AM CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU GUYS DO EVERY DAY.
9:15:29AM IT JUST AWESOME.
9:15:30AM >> JIM CARSON, BILL CURRIE FORD.
9:15:40AM WE HAVE SEEN MANY OF YOUR OFFICERS COME THROUGH OUR
9:15:43AM DEALERSHIP.
9:15:44AM NEVER HEARD A STORY LIKE THAT.
9:15:46AM I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU A BRAND NEW MUSTANG.
9:15:52AM (LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE)
9:15:56AM >> THANK YOU FOR KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
9:16:08AM WE HAVE A GIFT CARD.
9:16:16AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:16:16AM >> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
9:16:20AM DOUBLETREE IN WESTSHORE.
9:16:22AM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK MY PARENTS FOR KEEPING ME ON
9:16:26AM THIS SIDE OF THE LAW.
9:16:32AM WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT AS A RESIDENT OF TAMPA BAY.
9:16:38AM WE HAVE TWO NIGHT WEEKEND STAY AT OUR HOTEL AT THE
9:16:42AM DOUBLETREE.
9:16:43AM A FAMILY MEMBER COMING OUT OF TOWN.
9:16:45AM WE ALSO HAVE OUR DELICIOUS DOUBLETREE COOKIES WHICH ARE
9:16:48AM WORLD FAMOUS.
9:16:50AM AND THEN THERE'S A FEW OTHER GOODIES IN HERE.
9:16:53AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:16:53AM >> CHIEF, GOOD MORNING AND CONGRATULATIONS ON BEHALF OF THE
9:17:09AM ENTIRE ORGANIZATION.
9:17:09AM WE HAVE A LITTLE TRADITION.
9:17:21AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:17:21AM >> GOOD MORNING, SIR.
9:17:26AM ON BEHALF OF PRESTIGE PORTRAITS, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU
9:17:30AM WITH A FAMILY PORTRAIT PACKAGE SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR
9:17:33AM PORTRAITS DONE.
9:17:34AM ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, GIFT CERTIFICATE
9:17:39AM TO ENJOY YOURSELF FOR LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:17:41AM ON BEHALF OF CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP WE ARE GOING TO GIVE
9:17:44AM YOU A GIFT CERTIFICATE FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER AT ONE
9:17:47AM OF THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS.
9:17:48AM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE TAMPA YMCA IS GOING TO PROVIDE YOU
9:17:55AM WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO GO ENJOY YOURSELF.
9:18:00AM SO CONGRATULATIONS.
9:18:05AM WHO IS TAKING ALL THESE THINGS?
9:18:09AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:18:13AM >> THANK YOU, CHIEF, ASSISTANT CHIEF, MAJOR, MEMBERS OF
9:18:19AM COUNCIL.
9:18:20AM IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE WORKING AT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
9:18:23AM WHEN I CAME HERE, MY WIFE AND I MOVED IN 2008, TO WORK IN
9:18:32AM TAMPA.
9:18:32AM IT'S THE BEST AGENCY.
9:18:33AM GOT HERE AND REALIZED HOW GOOD IT WAS.
9:18:38AM THE BEST, IN MY OPINION, IN THE UNITED STATES.
9:18:40AM IT'S AN HONOR TO BE RECOGNIZED AS OFFICER OF THE MONTH WITH
9:18:44AM SO MANY GOOD OFFICERS IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
9:18:45AM THANKS AGAIN.
9:18:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OFF APPROXIMATE ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY
9:18:59AM COUNCIL, IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE
9:19:05AM COMMENDATION OF OFFICERS OF THE MONTH.
9:19:07AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:19:43AM THE NEXT PRESENTATION IS FOR THE QUARTER DISTRICT
9:19:49AM PRESENTATION OF FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER.
9:19:51AM AND THIS QUARTER IT GOES TO DISTRICT FIRE CHIEF KEN HUFF.
9:19:59AM KEN AND THE CHIEF WILL BE HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON
9:20:02AM BEHALF OF KEN HUFF FOR WHAT HE'S DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA
9:20:09AM AND ALL THE 380,000 SOME PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.
9:20:12AM THANK YOU, CHIEF.
9:20:13AM >> GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:20:16AM MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
9:20:19AM ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF, CITY OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
9:20:21AM WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO HONOR NOT ONLY DISTRICT CHIEF
9:20:27AM BUT A FRIEND.
9:20:30AM CHIEF HUFF HAS BEEN AN EXEMPLARY EMPLOYEE OF TAMPA FIRE
9:20:34AM RESCUE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, 32 YEARS OF SERVICE IN THE
9:20:39AM PROFESSION, WORKING SOME OTHER PLACES BEFORE WE WERE LUCKY
9:20:43AM ENOUGH TO BRING HIM HERE.
9:20:44AM HE'S DEMONSTRATED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AN OUTSTANDING WORK
9:20:48AM ETHIC.
9:20:49AM AND I THINK THAT TRULY IS WHAT SETS HIM APART, HIS
9:20:52AM PROFESSIONALISM.
9:20:53AM HE'S BEEN AN EXCELLENT ROLE MODEL, AND HIS HONESTY,
9:20:59AM INTEGRITY, HIS LOYALTY AND TRUST, AND THE FOCUS THAT HE
9:21:02AM BRINGS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU NORMALLY SEE.
9:21:09AM THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, HE HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
9:21:14AM THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER HE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON IMPROVING
9:21:17AM HIMSELF AND HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS,
9:21:20AM BUT ALSO BRINGING HIM ALONG, IF YOU WILL, AND BRINGING HIM
9:21:25AM TO A BETTER LEVEL OF EFFICIENCY AND EXPERTISE.
9:21:29AM HE HAS BEEN A DEDICATED MEMBER OF URBAN SEVEN AND RESCUE
9:21:33AM TEAM THAT JUST WAS DEPLOYED, THE SAME TEAM THAT WAS JUST
9:21:37AM DEPLOYED TO THE PAN APPROXIMATE HANDLE AREA.
9:21:39AM HE'S HELD MANY POSITIONS WITHIN TASK FORCE 3 AND HE'S
9:21:43AM CURRENTLY A TASK FORCE LEADER WITH TASK FORCE 3.
9:21:49AM HE HAS ALSO BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN TRAINING AND MENTORING THE
9:21:53AM YOUNG INDIVIDUALS ON THE JOB, AND THAT DOES NOT GO
9:21:56AM UNNOTICED.
9:21:57AM HE'S BEEN A FIRE SERVICE INSTRUCTOR FOR OVER 26 YEARS.
9:22:01AM HE'S BEEN SERVICE INSTRUCTOR FOR TECHNICAL AND WORKING WITH
9:22:06AM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PROVIDING TRAINING TO OUR NEW
9:22:10AM RECRUITS AND RECURRENT TRAINING.
9:22:12AM HE'S BEEN OVERTIME IN ACLS INSTRUCTOR.
9:22:15AM HE HAS BEEN A TRAUMA INSTRUCTOR WITH SEVERAL CERTIFICATIONS
9:22:19AM WHICH HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THE TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT
9:22:22AM OF OUR MEMBERS.
9:22:27AM ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE, IN HIS FOCUS WITHIN THE JOB, HIS
9:22:33AM WILLINGNESS TO HELP IS NOT JUST WITHIN THE BORDERS OF TAMPA
9:22:37AM FIRE RESCUE.
9:22:38AM WHETHER HE'S ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY HE'S ALWAYS WILLING TO
9:22:42AM HELP.
9:22:43AM HE HAS VOLUNTEERED AND HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN YMCA,
9:22:51AM NATIONAL WHEELCHAIR GAMES, V.A. HOSPITAL, SERVING AS WITH
9:22:56AM FLORIDA GAME AND FISH AS A VOLUNTEER AT THE KIDS FISHING
9:23:00AM CAMP, AND GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IS JUST WHAT HE DOES
9:23:03AM AND WHAT HE IS MADE OF.
9:23:06AM THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE IS THAT HE ALONG WITH SOME OTHER
9:23:09AM FIREFIGHTERS JUST MADE A TRIP AFTER GATHERING FUND FOR
9:23:13AM DONATIONS FOR THE PANHANDLE.
9:23:15AM THEY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO GO TOTE PANHANDLE AND DONATE
9:23:19AM THOSE ITEMS TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRULY IN NEED.
9:23:25AM SO IT HAS BEEN A REAL PLEASURE TO WORK WITH HIM.
9:23:28AM AND WITH THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HIM AS THE
9:23:33AM FIREFIGHTER OF THE QUARTER FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
9:23:36AM I INTRODUCE TO YOU CHIEF KEN HUFF.
9:23:40AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:23:41AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:23:48AM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AWARDS REVIEW COMMITTEE.
9:23:51AM ON BEHALF OF THE COMMITTEE, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE CHIEF
9:23:57AM HUFF FOR HIS NOMINATION AND FOR WINNING THIS AWARD.
9:23:59AM ON BEHALF OF TAMPA WATER SIDE, A WEEKEND STAY, AS WELL AS
9:24:10AM LIME OH SEEN A NIGHT OUT.
9:24:12AM >> STEVE SUAREZ, TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS LOCAL 754, AND THE NEW
9:24:18AM PRESIDENT IN JANUARY OVER THERE AS WELL.
9:24:22AM CHIEF, ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THOSE WITH TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS
9:24:27AM 754, OUR CURRENT SECRETARY-TREASURER AS WELL, 754, IT IS
9:24:32AM WITH GREAT PLEASURE TO CONGRATULATE YOU AS FIREFIGHTER OF
9:24:34AM THE QUARTER.
9:24:36AM >> BLAKE TOBY WITH DOUBLETREE WESTSHORE.
9:24:47AM I HAD RAH LITTLE DÉJÀ VU.
9:24:51AM WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH AT THE DOUBLETREE TO BE LOCATED HALF
9:24:56AM A MILE FROM A FIRE HOUSE, AND OUR FIRE DRILLS, AND GETTING
9:25:06AM CALLED OUT.
9:25:07AM BUT ANYWAY, WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A TWO NIGHT WEEKEND STAY AT
9:25:12AM THE DOUBLETREE FOR YOURSELF OR A FRIEND COMING INTO TOWN.
9:25:17AM ALSO, DOUBLETREE COOKIES.
9:25:21AM AND OTHER ITEMS AS WELL.
9:25:22AM >> SO CHIEF HUFF, YOU HAVE THE HOTEL ROOM, YOU HAVE GOT TWO
9:25:33AM TICKETS TO THE SHOW.
9:25:35AM LIFE IS GOOD.
9:25:35AM >> JIM CARSON, BILL CURRIE FORD.
9:25:45AM GREAT JOB.
9:25:46AM ON BEHALF OF THE CURRIE FAMILY AND MYSELF, WE WOULD LIKE TO
9:25:49AM GIVE YOU A BRAND NEW MUSTANG.
9:25:52AM >> RICHARD GONZMART, COLUMBIA RESTAURANT.
9:26:05AM I THANK ALL THE MEMBERS OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS FOR PRESERVING
9:26:09AM OUR BUILDING FOR OVER 115 YEARS, RESPONDING TO CHALLENGES
9:26:14AM WHEN CUSTOMERS HAD ISSUES.
9:26:16AM WE CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THE COMMUNITY.
9:26:18AM PERSONALLY I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER THAT ONE TIME NEEDED THE
9:26:21AM SERVICES.
9:26:21AM THE COMPASSION, THE KINDNESS SHOWED, WE CAN'T EVER REPAY IT.
9:26:25AM ON BEHALF OF OUR FAMILY PLEASE ACCEPT THIS $100 GIFT CARD TO
9:26:28AM ENJOY AT ULELE, ENJOY THE SUBMITTER OF ULELE, THAT PRINCESS
9:26:37AM WHO SAVED THE LIVES IN 1702.
9:26:44AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:26:44AM >> ED CARMACK, PRESIDENT OF PBA, I WANT TO PRESENT FOR BUSCH
9:26:51AM GARDENS.
9:26:52AM BUT WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FIRE UNION.
9:26:55AM AS YOU KNOW, THE CHIEF IS ON THAT BOARD AS WELL.
9:26:58AM WE RECENTLY TOOK UP SOME DONATIONS OURSELVES, THE PBA DID,
9:27:02AM AND REACHED OUT TO OUR PARTNERS OVER AT THE FIRE UNION, AND
9:27:05AM DIDN'T HESITATE TO JUMP IN.
9:27:07AM KEN WAS DESIGNATED AS THE ONE TO GO OUT AND DO THE SHOPPING,
9:27:11AM AND TO ME AT 6:00 IN THE MORNING ON A SATURDAY TO TAKE IT UP
9:27:15AM THERE.
9:27:15AM SO IT'S ENDLESS WHAT HE DOES FOR EVERYONE, AND WE APPRECIATE
9:27:19AM IT.
9:27:19AM ON BEHALF OF BUSCH GARDENS THEY WANT TO PRESENT YOU WITH
9:27:24AM FOUR TICKETS TO BUSCH GARDENS.
9:27:26AM >> MIKE PARKER, STEPPS TOWING SERVICE.
9:27:34AM OF ALL THE PRESENTATIONS WE HAVE DONE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME
9:27:37AM THAT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT BOTH RECIPIENTS ARE GOING TO USE
9:27:41AM THE BASS PRO GIFT CARDS.
9:27:44AM SO CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE.
9:27:47AM ON BEHALF OF TODD STEPPS AND STEPPS TOWING SERVICE, TAKE
9:27:54AM SOME TIME OFF AND ENJOY IT.
9:27:56AM THANK YOU.
9:27:56AM >> MARY LOU BAILEY ON BEHALF OF LOWRY PARK, I'M PRESENTING
9:28:06AM YOU WITH AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND
9:28:10AM ADMISSIONS TO SPECIAL EVENTS.
9:28:12AM THE VOLUNTEERS WHO SERVE ON THE BOARD FOR CITY OF TAMPA, I
9:28:21AM THINK IT'S MEANINGFUL THAT WE ALL APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE SO
9:28:26AM MUCH.
9:28:26AM THANK YOU.
9:28:29AM AND THE HALLOWEEN EVENT.
9:28:33AM >> OWN BEHALF OF CITY OF TAMPA EXPRESSWAY, A GIFT
9:28:42AM CERTIFICATE.
9:28:42AM >> ON BEHALF OF TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS, ALL THE SACRIFICE THAT
9:28:56AM YOU GUYS DO.
9:28:59AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:29:02AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: ARE YOU TIRED YET?
9:29:07AM >> NO, NO, NO.
9:29:08AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: OKAY.
9:29:10AM I HAVE A FEW THINGS BUT I'M THE END OF THE LINE.
9:29:13AM THIS IS THE CABOOSE.
9:29:18AM (LAUGHTER)
9:29:19AM STEVE MICHELINI.
9:29:20AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP AND WE ARE
9:29:23AM GOING TO GIVE YOU GIFT CERTIFICATES TO ENJOY YOURSELF,
9:29:26AM BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR DINNER.
9:29:28AM ON BEHALF OF YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, SAME SORT OF THING.
9:29:33AM GO ENJOY YOURSELF.
9:29:34AM ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA Y, WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A GIFT
9:29:37AM CERTIFICATE TO ENJOY YOURSELF AT THE Y.
9:29:39AM AND PRESTIGE PORTRAITS THAT YOU CAN GO HAVE YOUR FAMILY
9:29:42AM PORTRAITS TAKEN.
9:29:43AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:29:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. HUFF, IT YOUR TURN AND THEN THE
9:29:53AM CHIEF AND I WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION FOR FIREFIGHTER OF
9:29:56AM THE QUARTER.
9:29:56AM >> CITY COUNCIL, CHIEF, ADMINISTRATION, FRIENDS AND FAMILY
9:30:01AM OF THE COMMUNITY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION.
9:30:05AM 34 YEARS AGO STARTING OUT AS A VOLUNTEER IN NORTH CAROLINA,
9:30:09AM NEVER THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO LEAD TO A CAREER.
9:30:11AM BEING A VOLUNTEER OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD PAY FOR
9:30:16AM MYSELF AND FAMILY DOING THIS BUT I KNEW I HAD A PASSION AND
9:30:19AM DESIRE IN THIS PROFESSION.
9:30:20AM LUCKILY, 24 YEARS AGO, CHIEF AUSTIN HAD THE GUMPTION TO GIVE
9:30:29AM A GUY FROM WESTERN CAROLINA UNIVERSITY TO WORK FOR THE CITY
9:30:32AM OF TAMPA, AND LOOK BACK AT THE CHALLENGES, THE GREATNESS
9:30:37AM THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO EXPERIENCE, THE PEOPLE I HAVE
9:30:39AM WORKED WITH, AND THE ABILITY TO DO THINGS THAT PUBLIC SAFETY
9:30:43AM IS ABOUT, TO HELP OTHERS.
9:30:44AM AND THAT'S REALLY BONE A BLESSING TO ME.
9:30:48AM THANK THE LORD AND SAVIOR FOR ALL THINGS THAT ARE POSSIBLE
9:30:51AM THROUGH HIM.
9:30:52AM MY MOTHER AND FATHER.
9:30:53AM MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER ARE HERE.
9:30:58AM A LITTLE DISTRACTING TO HAVE HER UP FRONT SO WE HAVE HER IN
9:31:02AM BACK.
9:31:03AM THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR ALL THE THINGS YOU DO TO MAKE ME
9:31:06AM BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THEM SO THAT I CAN DO WHAT I AM ABLE
9:31:12AM TO DO SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WISDOM AND LEADERSHIP AS
9:31:15AM WELL.
9:31:17AM THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP.
9:31:18AM BUT JUST SOME GREAT PEOPLE I WORK WITH.
9:31:21AM I SHARE THIS WITH THE OTHER 600-PLUS MEMBERS OF MY
9:31:23AM DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IT'S A DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE.
9:31:27AM NOT MANY OF US LIKE TO BE UP FRONT IN RECOGNITION BECAUSE WE
9:31:30AM ARE ALL A TEAM WHEN WE DO SOMETHING.
9:31:32AM BUT I AM APPRECIATIVE AND HUMBLE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:31:35AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:31:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE CHIEF AND I AND THE REST OF TAMPA
9:31:44AM CITY COUNCIL, ALL THE ELECTED OFFICES, 380 THOUSAND SOME
9:31:48AM PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL
9:31:51AM INFORM WHAT YOU AND THE FAMILY DOES FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN OF
9:31:54AM TAMPA FIREFIGHTER AND I WANT TO THANK PBA FOR THE DONATION
9:32:00AM YOU HAVE TAKEN UP TO THE PANHANDLE FOR THE DISASTER THAT
9:32:03AM HAPPENED THERE.
9:32:04AM AND THANKS AGAIN FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
9:32:06AM I HAVE KNOWN YOU SINCE YOU CAME FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
9:32:11AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:32:12AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:32:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I THINK IT'S ITEM NUMBER 3.
9:33:17AM DR. RODRIGUEZ, I JUST GOT WORD THAT SHE IS ILL SO I WOULD
9:33:22AM MOVE TO HAVE OF THAT REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA TO BE
9:33:24AM RESCHEDULED FOR A LATER TIME.
9:33:25AM >>FRANK REDDICK: GOT A MOTION FROM MR. VIERA.
9:33:28AM SECONDED BY MR. COHEN.
9:33:30AM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
9:33:31AM OPPOSED?
9:33:33AM ALL RIGHT.
9:33:34AM AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
9:33:42AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WELCOMES PUBLIC
9:33:44AM COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
9:33:46AM IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON A MATTER THAT IS SET FOR A
9:33:48AM WORKSHOP, YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AFTER
9:33:51AM EACH WORKSHOP ITEM.
9:33:53AM EACH SPEAKER IS GIVEN THREE MINUTES.
9:33:55AM PLEASE BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND IT IS
9:33:58AM REQUESTED THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT DIRECTED PERSONALLY TO
9:34:00AM A COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF MEMBER BUT RATHER ISSUES DIRECTED
9:34:05AM TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY.
9:34:07AM CITY COUNCIL APPRECIATES YOUR COOPERATION IN MAINTAINING
9:34:10AM ORDERLY CONDUCT AND PROPER DECORUM.
9:34:12AM THANK YOU.
9:34:12AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
9:34:15AM FIRST PERSON.
9:34:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME.
9:34:36AM IS THIS FOR A WORKSHOP ITEM?
9:34:38AM >> IT IS NOT.
9:34:39AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
9:34:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS NOT.
9:34:46AM I'M CYNTHIA DUNCAN.
9:34:47AM I AM HERE TO SUBMIT A PROPOSED CHANGE TO SECTION 27-60 OF
9:34:51AM THE CITY CODE.
9:34:53AM IT IS NOT PART OF THE TREE WORKSHOP THOSE COMING UP LATER.
9:34:57AM I ASKED LEGAL IF THIS COULD BE PART OF THE WORKSHOP.
9:35:00AM THEY SAID NO, ABSOLUTELY SO I AM NOT USING MY THREE MINUTES
9:35:03AM TO SPEAK ON THE TREE CODE.
9:35:05AM IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
9:35:06AM IT'S WHAT WAS POSTPONED BEFORE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MAKE THE 31
9:35:10AM JULY CUT-OFF FOR CHANGES TO CHAPTER 27.
9:35:12AM WE NEED TO GET THIS IN FOR THE 31 JANUARY CUT-OFF FOR
9:35:17AM CHANGES TO CHAPTER 27.
9:35:18AM I RECOMMENDED THAT IT GO IN THE TABLE AS NOTE 3, BUT CITY
9:35:25AM LEGAL CAN PUT IT WHEREVER IT MAY BE, BUT IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
9:35:32AM REFERRED TO THE GRAND TREE REMOVAL SECTION OF THE TREE CODE
9:35:35AM OR WHEREVER IT ENDS UP.
9:35:37AM IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE NATURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR
9:35:40AM OR DESIGNEE HAS DETERMINED THAT MINOR CHANGES TO BUILDING
9:35:43AM SETBACK AND HEIGHT LIMITATIONS FOR THE BUILDING STRUCTURE OR
9:35:47AM BUILDING ONLY ARE NECESSARY TO PREVENT A GRAND OR ALMOST
9:35:50AM GRAND, WHICH IS GREATER OR EQUAL TO 24 INCHES PROTECTED TREE
9:35:55AM FROM BECOMING HAZARDOUS DUE TO OTHER CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
9:35:59AM IMPACTS.
9:35:59AM THE GENERAL LIMITATIONS ARE INCREASED IN ALL PLANNING
9:36:02AM DISTRICTS.
9:36:03AM AS FOLLOWS.
9:36:04AM UP TO 25% FRONT, CORNER AND SIDE.
9:36:07AM 40% IN A REAR YARD.
9:36:10AM UP TO 10% FOR BUILDING HEIGHT.
9:36:12AM AS YOU KNOW DESIGN EXCEPTION 2 DOES GIVE NOTICE TO THE
9:36:16AM ABUTTING NEIGHBORS SO THESE ARE EXPANDED.
9:36:18AM THE CURRENT SETBACK REDUCTIONS FOR ALL BUT ONE PLANNING
9:36:22AM DISTRICT WERE ONLY 10% FRONT AND REAR AND ONE ON THE SIDES.
9:36:26AM THIS GETS ADDITIONAL SETBACK REDUCTIONS AS AN OPTION OF
9:36:29AM DESIGN EXCEPTION, ONLY FOR GRAND AND ALMOST GRAND GREATER
9:36:33AM THAN 24-INCH TREES.
9:36:35AM AGAIN, THIS IS A CHANGE TO SECTION-27-60.
9:36:38AM IT IS TO GET IT IN BEFORE THE 31 JANUARY CUT-OFF FOR CHAPTER
9:36:43AM 27 CHANGES.
9:36:45AM IT IS NOT PART OF THE TREE CODE AMENDMENT TODAY.
9:36:47AM ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
9:36:49AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:36:49AM >> KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
9:36:58AM COUNCIL HAS ALREADY MADE A MOTION FOR THAT TO BE PART OF THE
9:37:00AM JANUARY CYCLE.
9:37:01AM STAFF HAS ALREADY WORKING ON VARIOUS OPTIONS AND DRAFTS OF
9:37:05AM HOW THAT LANGUAGE CAN BE IMPLEMENTED TO OUR CODE.
9:37:07AM THAT'S ALREADY COME BACK TO YOU IN JANUARY.
9:37:09AM >> GOOD MORNING, COMMUNITY, MENTEZMAT.
9:37:28AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON TODAY IS LEADERSHIP AND
9:37:32AM MANAGEMENT.
9:37:34AM THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT WORDS.
9:37:36AM LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT.
9:37:41AM ON AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL, WHAT YOU HAVE FOR LEADERSHIP IS A
9:37:47AM CLOWN LIKE DONALD TRUMP THAT PROVIDES THE CERTAIN KIND OF
9:37:50AM LEADERSHIP FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD TO SEE.
9:37:56AM TREAT PEOPLE AS NASTY AND UGLY AS EVER.
9:38:02AM TALK ABOUT PEOPLE AS NASTY AND UGLY AS EVER.
9:38:09AM CALLING WHOLE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THIEVES, MURDERERS, ROBBERS,
9:38:16AM GANGBANGERS, INSPIRING PEOPLE TO ATTACK PEOPLE PHYSICALLY.
9:38:25AM LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF.
9:38:27AM AND THE MANAGEMENT STYLE THAT'S RIGHT HERE IN THIS CITY,
9:38:31AM IT'S A WEAK MANAGEMENT STYLE.
9:38:33AM IT'S A SCARY COWARDLY MANAGEMENT STYLE.
9:38:36AM NOBODY STANDS UP TO ANYBODY.
9:38:40AM THERE ARE MOTHERS AGAINST DRUNK DRIVING, BUT NOBODY AGAINST
9:38:43AM THE LIQUOR COMPANIES.
9:38:45AM THEY HAVE ALL TYPES OF LAWSUITS AGAINST TOBACCO COMPANIES
9:38:49AM BUT NOBODY AGAINST TOBACCO IN SOCIETY.
9:38:55AM A YOUNG LADY AND HER TEN-YEAR-OLD SON WAS VICIOUSLY MURDERED
9:39:00AM THIS PAST WEEKEND.
9:39:02AM THEY SAY FOR OVER SOMETHING SIMPLE.
9:39:06AM NO LEADERSHIP IN REFERENCE TO MENTAL ILLNESS, ESPECIALLY
9:39:10AM INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
9:39:14AM EVERYTHING IS GEARED TOWARDS INCARCERATION.
9:39:17AM LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT.
9:39:21AM THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND
9:39:26AM MANAGEMENT STYLE.
9:39:28AM AND WHEN YOU ARE NO LEADERSHIP POSITION YOU CANNOT BE A
9:39:32AM COWARD.
9:39:33AM YOU HAVE SEVEN COWARDS SITTING UP THERE.
9:39:36AM NOBODY REFUTE WHEN BOB BUCKHORN CALLED OUR WOMEN, OUR BLACK
9:39:42AM WOMEN, AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
9:39:50AM BITCHES.
9:39:50AM NOBODY REFUTES, SEVEN OF YOU, SAY ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY
9:39:58AM NOTHING ABOUT THIS MAN, CALLING FOR THE LYNCHING OF AN
9:40:03AM AFRICAN MAN, OF AN AFRICAN KID, POSSIBLY WITH MENTAL
9:40:07AM ILLNESS.
9:40:07AM NOT ONE SINGLE WORD.
9:40:09AM COWARDS.
9:40:09AM AND NOT YOU ALL WANT TO TAKE US BACK IN ANOTHER CYCLE WITH
9:40:13AM JANE CASTOR AND SOME PEOPLE SITTING UP THERE SAY THEY WANT
9:40:16AM TO RUN THIS CITY.
9:40:18AM LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT.
9:40:20AM ET NOT HERE AND IT'S NOT OUT THERE.
9:40:24AM HAS TO COME FROM OUTSIDE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
9:40:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:40:34AM CONNIE BURTON.
9:40:35AM IT HARD TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK CLEARLY UPON AN ISSUE WHEN IT'S
9:40:43AM ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED.
9:40:46AM ABOUT I FOUND IT PAINFUL LAST WEEK TO LISTEN TO THE CHIEF
9:40:50AM LAY OUT THE STATISTICS ON THE CONTINUATION OF BICYCLE STOPS
9:40:54AM AS IT RELATES TO THE NUMBER OF STOPS THAT BLACK MEN -- THE
9:41:03AM RESPONSE FROM THE POLICE.
9:41:04AM I THINK IT WAS OVER 2,000-PLUS AND SOME OF THE RESPONSES WE
9:41:08AM JUST GOT TO MOVE ON.
9:41:09AM THE REASON WHY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CAME TO TAMPA WAS
9:41:14AM BECAUSE OF AN INJUSTICE.
9:41:17AM AND SO WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT BE SHALL JUSTICE, WE WANT ORDER
9:41:30AM AND JUSTICE INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY BUT NOT AT THE EXTENT OF
9:41:33AM THE CONTINUATION OF POLICY THAT'S UNJUST.
9:41:37AM I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT.
9:41:39AM THE CHIEF STOOD RIGHT HERE AND SAID THERE WAS NO MANDATE FOR
9:41:44AM REGISTERING A BICYCLE.
9:41:47AM NO RESPONSE AS TO WHY THEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WENT INSIDE
9:41:55AM OUR COMMUNITY DEMANDING REGISTRATION AND WE WANT OUR BIKES
9:41:58AM TO BE REGISTERED, WE KNOW WHERE TO GO.
9:42:00AM I THINK ENCLOSURE LEADERSHIP, CLEAR INSTRUCTION HAS TO BE
9:42:04AM GIVEN.
9:42:05AM BUT WE HAVE BEEN MOVING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND OUR
9:42:14AM COMMUNITY STILL AT THE HANDS OF NOT RECEIVING JUSTICE.
9:42:18AM WE GOT TO CHANGE IT.
9:42:19AM WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PASS THIS TORCH BACK TO OUR CHILDREN AS
9:42:25AM WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
9:42:27AM HE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON ON BAYSHORE, THAT'S NOT
9:42:31AM WHAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CAME FOR.
9:42:33AM I WOULD ASK THAT THIS BOARD, AND FOR THOSE THAT WILL INSPIRE
9:42:37AM TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, STICK TO THE
9:42:40AM SCRIPT.
9:42:41AM WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THIS ACT.
9:42:44AM WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF
9:42:48AM EVERYBODY RECEIVING JUSTICE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
9:42:51AM THANK YOU.
9:42:51AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE?
9:43:01AM IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU LINE
9:43:03AM UP AGAINST THE WALL.
9:43:04AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:43:11AM MY NAME IS JOHN MORRIS.
9:43:13AM I LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
9:43:15AM AND TODAY I'M HERE AS A MEMBER OF NOMEE HILLSBOROUGH, THE
9:43:21AM NATIONAL -- THE LOCAL AFFILIATE OF THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF
9:43:24AM THE MENTALLY ILL.
9:43:26AM ON SATURDAY MORNING AT 9:00, NAMI WILL BE GATHERING TOGETHER
9:43:30AM FOR ITS 5-K WALK OR RUN AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
9:43:36AM AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL BE THERE.
9:43:39AM MY SON SUFFERED HIS FIRST MENTAL BREAKDOWN IN 2008.
9:43:46AM HE HAS BEEN HOSPITALIZED UNDER THE BAKER ACT TOO MANY TIMES
9:43:50AM FOR ME TO REMEMBER.
9:43:51AM HE HAS SPENT TIME AT THE NORTH FLORIDA TREATMENT AND
9:43:55AM EVALUATION CENTER.
9:43:57AM HE HAS SPENT TIME AT THE CENTER FOR ADDICTIONS IN AVON MARK.
9:44:03AM HE HAS SPENT TIMES AT THE ACTS KEYSTONE RESIDENTIAL
9:44:07AM TREATMENT PROGRAM.
9:44:08AM WHEN HE WAS IN THE TREATMENT CENTER AT AVON PARK HE WAS SENT
9:44:13AM AFTER THAT TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN BRADENTON, GROUP HOMES.
9:44:18AM HE WENT FROM ONE GROUP HOME TO ANOTHER, AND AT ONE OF THOSE
9:44:21AM GROUP HOMES HE WOKE UP IN THE MORNING TO FIND THAT HIS
9:44:25AM ROOMMATE NOT FIVE FEET FROM HIM LAY THERE NOT BREATHING, NOT
9:44:30AM ALIVE.
9:44:32AM HE WAS DEAD FROM AN ADDICTION.
9:44:36AM HE RECEIVED NO SERVICES AT THAT GROUP HOME.
9:44:39AM THERE IS NO WRAP AROUND SERVICES OF THE MENTALLY ILL.
9:44:44AM WHEN HE WENT TO -- LATER, WHEN HE WENT TO TAMPA, AFTER
9:44:49AM TARPON SPRINGS, HE WAS SENT TO TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE
9:44:56AM HE WENT AND STAYED WITH SEVEN OR EIGHT OR NINE OTHER MEN IN
9:45:01AM ONE APARTMENT.
9:45:02AM NO SERVICES WHATSOEVER.
9:45:05AM THERE ARE NO SERVICES.
9:45:07AM AND IT'S BEEN SAID THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT CRAZY PEOPLE.
9:45:12AM IT'S TRUE.
9:45:16AM THAT IS UNTIL THAT CRAZY PERSON HAPPENS TO BE YOUR WIFE OR
9:45:19AM YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR SON OR YOU'RE DAUGHTER, YOUR GRANDMOTHER,
9:45:24AM YOUR GRANDFATHER, YOUR SISTER OR YOUR BROTHER.
9:45:28AM THEN IT BREAKS YOUR HEART.
9:45:32AM I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT NOMI.
9:45:35AM I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE ALLIANCE.
9:45:37AM I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE EFFORT TO FIND AVAILABLE HOUSING.
9:45:42AM I ASK YOU TO COME TO THE WALK ON SATURDAY AT THE UNIVERSITY
9:45:46AM OF SOUTH FLORIDA AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING.
9:45:50AM THANK YOU.
9:45:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: SIR, SIR, SIR, IF I MAY.
9:46:00AM I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR COPPING UP AND SPEAKING.
9:46:03AM MENTAL ILLNESS IS A BIG ISSUE AND COMING AS A FATHER, I KNOW
9:46:09AM I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF EVERYONE AND SAY WE ARE VERY TOUCHED BY
9:46:12AM YOUR COURAGE AND WHATNOT.
9:46:14AM AND I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT MY CALENDAR FOR SATURDAY AND SEE IF
9:46:17AM I CAN BE THERE.
9:46:18AM I LIVE MAYBE ABOUT 20 MINUTES AWAY FROM THERE.
9:46:21AM BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE GO IN THERE AND GIVE THE NICE
9:46:26AM WOMAN OVER THERE DEBBIE YOUR INFORMATION AND I CAN FOLLOW UP
9:46:29AM WITH YOU ON THAT.
9:46:30AM BUT I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF
9:46:32AM COURAGE TO COME OUT AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING SO PERSONAL TO
9:46:35AM YOU.
9:46:36AM TRULY FROM THE HEART.
9:46:38AM THE SUFFERING YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH IS IMMEASURABLE AND YOU
9:46:42AM COME OUT AND TALK WITH US ABOUT IT AND I SALUTE YOU AND I
9:46:46AM JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.
9:46:47AM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:48AM >> COUNCILMAN, I JUST WANT TO SAY I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY LINE
9:47:01AM UP AGAINST THE WALL.
9:47:02AM I WAS BUSY FACEBOOKING.
9:47:06AM MICHELLE WILLIAMS, TAMPA ACTIVIST.
9:47:12AM WHILE SURFING OWN SOCIAL MEDIA LAST NIGHT, A VERY DEAR
9:47:15AM FRIEND OF MINE WAS SUSAN BURTON MADE A QUOTE ON SEPTEMBER
9:47:20AM 14th, 2018.
9:47:22AM AND WHEN I IN BOXED SOCIAL MEDIA SHE SAID I'M ABOUT TO CALL
9:47:27AM YOU BECAUSE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AMERICA IS HAPPENING IN THE
9:47:30AM CITY OF TAMPA.
9:47:31AM SO THESE WORDS THAT I SAY THIS MORNING, THEY ARE NOT OFFERED
9:47:36AM BY MY TONGUE BUT THEY ARE OFFERED BY A VERY DEAR FRIEND OF
9:47:41AM MINE MS. SUSAN BURTON.
9:47:44AM QUOTE.
9:47:44AM AMERICA WILL NEVADA VALUE THE BLACK RACE -- WILL NEVER VALUE
9:47:48AM THE BLACK RACE BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY OFF
9:47:51AM INCARCERATION.
9:47:53AM OF BEING POOR, OF BEING MISEDUCATED, UNDEREDUCATED.
9:47:58AM IT IS THE NEW SCHEMES TO DEFRAUD US.
9:48:03AM AMERICA HAS INCARCERATED THE BLACK RACE'S PAIN, I.E., BEING
9:48:09AM POOR.
9:48:10AM THE MISEDUCATION OF THE BLACK MALE, WOMAN AND CHILD.
9:48:14AM HOUSING DISCRIMINATION.
9:48:16AM US BEING UN-UNIFIED.
9:48:18AM US BEING UNORGANIZED.
9:48:20AM THIS IS THE POST-TRAUMATIC GROWTH THAT WE SEE CONSTANTLY
9:48:25AM ACROSS AMERICA.
9:48:27AM THIS GROWTH HAS NOW PLAGUED OUR CITY.
9:48:30AM AND IF ALL RIGHT HERE FROM CANDIDATES, FROM THE MAYOR, FROM
9:48:38AM INVESTORS, FROM HEDGE FUND ACTORS WHO COME INTO OUR GREAT
9:48:43AM CITY, THAT'S ALL I HEAR.
9:48:44AM TAMPA BEING THE NEXT GREAT CITY.
9:48:47AM WHAT ARE WE THE NEXT GREAT CITY OF?
9:48:50AM INCARCERATING AND GENTRIFYING BLACK PEOPLE?
9:48:55AM SO WHEN IT COMES TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CAN'T FIND ANY OF
9:48:59AM US?
9:49:00AM IS THIS WHAT -- IS THIS WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA STANDS FOR?
9:49:05AM BECAUSE IF IT IS, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU START CAMPAIGNING SO
9:49:08AM I CAN MAKE SURE THAT I RUN THIS MESSAGE ON YOUR CAMPAIGN
9:49:12AM TRAIL, HOW YOU IGNORED OUR PAIN, HOW YOU HAVE IGNORED OUR
9:49:15AM SUFFERING, HOW YOU HAVE IGNORED THAT WE HAVE SEVEN SCHOOLS
9:49:18AM IN THE VERY SAME NEIGHBORHOOD
9:49:25AM I'M GETTING TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED.
9:49:27AM LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I DID OVER THE WEEKEND.
9:49:29AM AND I HAD TO MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF NOISE.
9:49:32AM DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN THE FBI START KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR.
9:49:36AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:49:58AM I'M PATRICIA LORAND.
9:50:05AM AND THE INFORMATION ABOUT NAMI, IT'S REALLY A DIFFICULT
9:50:09AM SITUATION FOR THE PARENTS I'M THE PARENT OF A 34-YEAR-OLD
9:50:12AM FEMALE THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WITH MENTAL ILLNESS,
9:50:18AM DIAGNOSED ABOUT 14 YEARS AGO.
9:50:21AM AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
9:50:23AM ONE OF THE THINGS BESIDES THE HOUSING THAT HE WAS TALKING
9:50:29AM ABOUT IS THE STEPPING DOWN FROM WHEN A PATIENT GOES INTO,
9:50:31AM YOU KNOW, EITHER BAKER ACT OR THE HOSPITAL OR WHATEVER,
9:50:34AM STUFF LIKE THAT.
9:50:35AM IF THE PATIENT DOESN'T WANT THE MEDICINE THEY WON'T GIVE IT
9:50:38AM TO THEM BUT THEY PUT THEM BACK OUT ON THE STREET WITHIN
9:50:41AM SEVEN DAYS, YOU KNOW.
9:50:43AM AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS?
9:50:44AM THEY END UP GOING BACK IN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
9:50:46AM I HAD AN EXPERIENCE LAST YEAR WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS IN THE
9:50:49AM HOSPITAL, AND THEY SAID, OH, WE WILL GIVE HER THE MEDICINE,
9:50:54AM WE'LL DO THIS, WHATEVER STUFF LIKE THAT.
9:50:56AM AND WE WON'T LET HER OUT AT LEAST UNTIL SHE'S A LITTLE
9:51:00AM STABLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
9:51:01AM BUT WHEN THEY GO IN AND LIKE SEVEN TO TEN DAYS, THEY TRY TO
9:51:08AM GIVE MEDICATION THAT SHE'S ALLERGIC TO SO SHE DIDN'T WANT TO
9:51:14AM TAKE THE MEDICATION.
9:51:16AM THEY LET HER OUT.
9:51:16AM I WENT IN AND BEGGED HER.
9:51:19AM YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD ME?
9:51:20AM YOU HAVE TO BAKER ACT HER AND THEN SIGN HER UP AGAIN FOR THE
9:51:23AM INSURANCE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
9:51:25AM WHICH THEY ARE HAVING THE PROBLEMS, AND NOBODY SEEMS TO
9:51:28AM UNDERSTAND.
9:51:29AM I APPRECIATE THE POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE I KNOW I HAD CALLED
9:51:33AM THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, TO BAKER ACT, AND THEY
9:51:36AM WERE VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW.
9:51:38AM SO THAT I CAN APPRECIATE AND STUFF.
9:51:40AM BUT ONCE THEY GO INTO THOSE ROOMS, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
9:51:45AM AT LEAST STEPPING DOWN.
9:51:47AM AND I KNOW THEY GO TO ONE PLACE WHEN THEY CALM THEM DOWN AND
9:51:53AM STUFF LIKE THAT.
9:51:54AM AND WHEN THEY GET DOWN, YOU KNOW, AND THEY START, THEY GO
9:51:58AM DOWN AND SETTLE DOWN.
9:52:01AM BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THEM LIKE TO GRACE POINT AND STUFF LIKE
9:52:03AM THAT, THEY TOLD ME THEY WAS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE
9:52:07AM THAT SHE WAS OKAY BEFORE THEY SENT HER OUT AND STUFF LIKE
9:52:10AM THAT.
9:52:10AM THEY GOT ALL THE INSURANCE.
9:52:11AM OH, DON'T WORRY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE HER STABLE BEFORE.
9:52:14AM NOTHING.
9:52:14AM THEY SENT HER OUT AGAIN.
9:52:16AM AND WITH NO MEDICATION.
9:52:18AM NO ANYTHING.
9:52:19AM YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
9:52:20AM AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY, REALLY HARD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
9:52:23AM FOLLOW THEM.
9:52:23AM AND THEN YOU DON'T TREAT THEM.
9:52:25AM HOW DO YOU EXPECT --
9:52:27AM [BELL SOUNDS]
9:52:28AM I'M SORRY.
9:52:29AM THANK YOU.
9:52:29AM >>FRANK REDDICK: YOU HAVE 30 MORE SECONDS.
9:52:37AM ALL RIGHT.
9:52:38AM ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
9:52:42AM ALL RIGHT.
9:52:42AM WE GO TO THE WORKSHOPS.
9:52:46AM GOT A MOTION FROM MR. MIRANDA.
9:52:48AM SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.
9:52:49AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
9:52:51AM OPPOSED?
9:52:51AM ALL RIGHT.
9:52:53AM ITEM NUMBER 4.
9:52:59AM IS ED JOHNSON HERE?
9:53:00AM >>THOM SNELLING: WE ARE PARTNERING.
9:53:09AM THOM SNELLING, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
9:53:11AM >>FRANK REDDICK: HERE IS WHAT I WANT.
9:53:16AM THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY
9:53:18AM ABOUT DOMAIN HOMES.
9:53:21AM HERE IS WHAT I WANT DONE.
9:53:23AM I WANT TO FIND OUT, I WANT TO GO FROM THE BEGINNING, HOW
9:53:27AM THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, WITH THE CITY RELATIONSHIP AND DOMAIN
9:53:32AM HOMES.
9:53:32AM I WANT TO KNOW HOW DID THE EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP SIGN OFF
9:53:40AM ON THIS.
9:53:41AM I WANT TO KNOW WHAT AGREEMENT IN THIS PUBLIC-PRIVATE
9:53:46AM PARTNERSHIP THAT IS IN PLACE WITH DOMAIN HOMES, AND I WANT
9:53:50AM TO KNOW -- EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THE MILLION AND A HALF
9:53:56AM DOLLARS THAT I SEE.
9:53:58AM SO I WANT TO TAKE IT STEP BY STEP, GET TO THE BOTTOM, SO WE
9:54:02AM CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS.
9:54:05AM ALL RIGHT?
9:54:06AM WHOEVER WANT TO START OFF.
9:54:09AM >>THOM SNELLING: I'LL START.
9:54:10AM AND THEN MR. MCDONAUGH, AND ED JOHNSON.
9:54:14AM IT STARTED, THE CITY PUT OUT A STANDARD RFP BACK IN
9:54:21AM DECEMBER -- I'M SORRY, OCTOBER OF 2017.
9:54:23AM AND THERE WAS ONE RESPONSE TO THAT.
9:54:27AM AND IT WAS HE SUBSEQUENTLY AWARDED TO DOMAIN HOMES IN
9:54:31AM DECEMBER OF 2017.
9:54:33AM CONTRACTS WERE DRAWN UP.
9:54:34AM PART OF THAT AGREEMENT AND A PART OF THAT RFP PROCESS WAS TO
9:54:39AM ASSURE THAT WHOEVER THE AWARDEE WAS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
9:54:44AM WORK WITH SOME OF THE LOCAL NOT FOR PROFITS, AND BOTH THE
9:54:48AM CDC OF TAMPA AND HABITAT ARE PART OF THAT PARTNERSHIP AND
9:54:53AM AGREEMENT.
9:54:54AM IT'S ALSO BECAUSE FEDERAL FUNDS WERE BEING USED THAT HOUSING
9:54:57AM BEING OFFERED HAD FEDERAL GUIDELINES AND HAD TO BE SOLD FOR
9:55:02AM CERTAIN PRICE POINTS, AND FOLLOW CERTAIN REGULATORY
9:55:07AM GUIDELINES THAT THE FEDS HAVE SUCH AS, INCOME QUALIFIED AND
9:55:10AM THINGS LIKE THAT.
9:55:11AM CURRENTLY THE PRICE POINT IS ABOUT 179,900 TO 220,000.
9:55:16AM AND THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT YOU CAN GET UP TO ABOUT
9:55:21AM $40,000 OF DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
9:55:24AM APPROXIMATELY 15,000 OF THAT WOULD BE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA
9:55:27AM AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU
9:55:30AM APPLY FOR SEVERAL OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS TO GET UP TO
9:55:33AM ABOUT $40,000 MAKING IT VERY AFFORDABLE.
9:55:40AM FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, BOTH DOMAIN, CITY OF TAMPA HOUSING
9:55:47AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIVISION, WENT INTO THE COMMUNITY, MET
9:55:50AM WITH SEVERAL EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY, MET
9:55:55AM WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WERE JUST SPEAKING BEFORE, THERE
9:56:01AM WERE WORKSHOPS HELD, BOTH DOMAIN AND OUR HOUSING DIVISION
9:56:04AM WERE IN THOSE WORKSHOPS, NAACP, EAST TAMPA, THE MODEL CENTER
9:56:11AM THAT WAS BEHIND MacDILL SHOWING THEM EXACTLY WHAT WAS
9:56:14AM GOING TO GET BUILT AND HOW, AND --
9:56:19AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
9:56:21AM LET ME JUST SAY TO THE AUDIENCE.
9:56:22AM MUCH YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
9:56:26AM SO HE SHALL YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
9:56:32AM LET'S GET TO THE BOTTOM NOW.
9:56:35AM >>THOM SNELLING: THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 85 LOTS INVOLVED,
9:56:39AM AND PRIMARILY IN EAST CENTRAL EAST TAMPA AND EAST TAMPA.
9:56:47AM TEN OF THOSE LOTS ARE THE CRA LOTS THAT CAME INTO QUESTION.
9:56:50AM 75 OF THOSE LOTS ARE CONTROLLED BY THE CITY HOUSING
9:56:54AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WHICH WERE ACQUIRED THROUGH BACK IN
9:56:57AM THE NSP DAYS, DEMOLITIONS AND OPPOSITIONS TO THOSE LOTS
9:57:01AM THEN, AS WELL AS SOME LOTS FROM THE COUNTY, DIFFERENT
9:57:06AM FORECLOSURES, SO THE CITY IDENTIFIED THOSE 75 LOTS BY A
9:57:10AM NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS SO THE BULK OF THE LOTS THAT ARE
9:57:12AM INVOLVED AND WHAT MAKES THEM AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM IS
9:57:16AM BECAUSE THE LOTS WERE BEING BUILT UPON AT VIRTUALLY NO COST
9:57:22AM TO THE DEVELOPER AND HE WAS ABLE TO PASS THAT SAVINGS ALONG
9:57:25AM TO MEET THE LOTS AND THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT THERE
9:57:28AM AFFORDABLE LOTS.
9:57:34AM THAT'S THE OVERARCHING PICTURE OF HOW WE GOT TO IT.
9:57:39AM ED CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AND WHAT HIS
9:57:42AM EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, THE DIFFERENT --
9:57:57AM >> ED JOHNSON, EAST TAMPA CRA MANAGER.
9:57:59AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
9:58:01AM THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP?
9:58:05AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
9:58:06AM >>FRANK REDDICK: EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP CAC SIGNED OFF ON
9:58:09AM THIS?
9:58:10AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
9:58:10AM >>FRANK REDDICK: IS IT DOCUMENTED THAT THEY DID THAT?
9:58:12AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
9:58:13AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
9:58:17AM WHEN DID THIS TAKE PLACE?
9:58:19AM >> APPROXIMATELY OCTOBER 2017 ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ME TO
9:58:26AM THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THAT WE WOULD TAKE OUR ASSEMBLAGES
9:58:31AM THAT WE STARTED ACQUIRING SINCE 2007.
9:58:35AM THAT'S A TOTAL OF 25 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD TRIED TO LURE A
9:58:40AM GROCERY STORE TO THAT AREA SINCE 2007.
9:58:46AM NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET A FINALIZED PROJECT FOR A GROCERY
9:58:51AM STORE.
9:58:53AM THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I HAD FROM THE DEVELOPERS THAT I HAD
9:58:56AM BEEN WORKING WITH FOR YEARS ON TRYING TO BRING A GROCERY
9:59:00AM STORE TO THAT SITE ALL TOLD ME THAT IT'S NOT THE SITE, THAT
9:59:05AM THEY WOULD NOT PUT A GROCERY STORE THERE.
9:59:07AM SO UPON MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT THE
9:59:11AM TIME WAS THAT WE WOULD TAKE SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES OF THOSE
9:59:15AM 25 LOTS AND PARTNER WITH OUR HOUSING AND COMMUNITY
9:59:19AM DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAD DONE ON PREVIOUS
9:59:23AM PROJECTS, THAT WE WOULD PUT THOSE PROPERTIES OUT FOR
9:59:26AM BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS ALSO ONE OF OUR
9:59:31AM FUNCTIONS UNDER OUR CRA PLAN AND OUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.
9:59:34AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ALSO ONE OF THE CRITERIAS OTHER THAN A
9:59:39AM GROCERY STORE.
9:59:41AM SO THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PUT
9:59:45AM THEIR RFP OUT.
9:59:47AM THE SELECTOR OF THAT RFP, THE AWARDEE, DOMAIN HOMES,
9:59:53AM SELECTED TEN OF THOSE 25 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD ON THAT LIST
9:59:58AM TO BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:00:02AM SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, A SUBSEQUENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE --
10:00:07AM BECAUSE OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP CHANGED YEAR TO
10:00:10AM YEAR -- FELT THAT WE SHOULD ATTEMPT TO GO BACK AND RECLAIM
10:00:16AM THOSE PROPERTIES AND CONTINUE TO GO AFTER A GROCERY STORE,
10:00:22AM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR THE
10:00:24AM ACQUISITION.
10:00:25AM AS I SAID EARLIER, THE DEVELOPERS FOR GROCERY STORES HAVE
10:00:30AM TOLD ME OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT'S JUST NOT THE
10:00:33AM RIGHT PLACE.
10:00:33AM SO PUT IN THOSE LOTS INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR HOUSING AND
10:00:38AM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS FELT AT THE TIME THE
10:00:41AM BEST AVENUE TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE PROPERTIES BACK ON THE
10:00:44AM TAX ROLLS.
10:00:45AM AND THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS, IS TO INCREASE TAXABLE VALUE IN
10:00:49AM YOUR CRAs.
10:00:52AM THEY DON'T INCREASE TAXABLE VALUE IF THEY ARE SITTING AS
10:00:56AM VACANT LOTS.
10:00:57AM SO WE CREATED THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HOUSING COMMUNITY
10:00:59AM DEVELOPMENT; TEN OF THE PROPERTIES ARE NOW PART OF THAT,
10:01:04AM PART OF DOMAIN HOMES DEVELOPMENT.
10:01:06AM WE ALREADY STARTED RECONSTRUCTION.
10:01:08AM >>FRANK REDDICK: LET ME ASK YOU.
10:01:12AM WHEN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUGGESTED THAT WE GO BACK AND
10:01:20AM TRY A GROCERY STORE, AND HAD SOME RESERVATION ABOUT THE
10:01:33AM LOTS.
10:01:33AM >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
10:01:34AM >>FRANK REDDICK: DID THE ADVISORY BOARD CHANGE THEIR
10:01:36AM OPINION AND STUDY TO BUILD THE HOMES?
10:01:40AM >> THE NEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE LEADERSHIP HAD SUGGESTED GOING
10:01:43AM BACK AND TRYING TO RETRIEVE THOSE TEN PROPERTIES, MADE THAT
10:01:49AM REQUEST AFTER THE FACT.
10:01:50AM THE CONTRACT HAD ALREADY BEEN LET WITH DOMAIN HOMES TO START
10:01:55AM BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THOSE UNIT.
10:01:58AM SO THE DISCUSSION AND THE MOVEMENT IS AFTER THE FACT.
10:02:02AM >>FRANK REDDICK: [OFF MICROPHONE] DID THEY HAVE TIME TO
10:02:08AM CEASE --
10:02:10AM >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
10:02:12AM SOMETHING THAT MR. SNELLING WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER.
10:02:13AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WHO WAS PRESIDENT OF THE CRA AT THAT TIME?
10:02:18AM >> THE CHAIRPERSON AT THE TIME WAS EVANGELINE BEST.
10:02:21AM >>FRANK REDDICK: AND SHE SIGNED OFF ON IT?
10:02:23AM >> THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE SIGNED OFF ON IT.
10:02:26AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WHICH INCLUDES HER?
10:02:28AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
10:02:29AM >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. SNELLING, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
10:02:36AM WHEN THE CAC ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAD RESERVATIONS ABOUT 7 OF
10:02:47AM THOSE 10 HOMES FOR DOMAIN, AND THEY WANTED A GROCERY STORE,
10:02:52AM IN THAT CONTRACT, DID IT HAVE A TERMINATION POLICY,
10:02:57AM CANCELLATION CLAUSE?
10:02:59AM >>THOM SNELLING: I KNOW ED LIKES TO THINK I UNDERSTAND A
10:03:02AM LEGAL DOCUMENT BUT THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION.
10:03:05AM >>BOB MCDONAUGH: LET ME JUST DO IT THE BROAD SCOPE FIRST.
10:03:13AM THE NEHAMIAH PROJECT IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, IT WHATS AGAIN TO
10:03:17AM BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:03:19AM AND ONE OF THE ISSUES IS TO BRING DENSITY.
10:03:25AM WE HAD FITS AND STARTS OF SMALL AMOUNTS OF HOUSING STARTED.
10:03:29AM ONE OF THE CRITERIA OF THIS PROGRAM WAS FINDING SOMEONE WHO
10:03:34AM HAD AN ABILITY TO DEVELOP A LOT OF HOUSES IN A SHORT AMOUNT
10:03:37AM OF TIME.
10:03:38AM NOT ONE OR TWO A YEAR BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE
10:03:40AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:03:41AM AND SO IN THIS CONTRACT, IF THEY DO NOT PRODUCE, WE HAVE THE
10:03:46AM RIGHT TO CANCEL THAT.
10:03:47AM IF THEY DO NOT PRODUCE THE NUMBER OF HOUSES A YEAR.
10:03:50AM IF THEY DO NOT DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
10:03:53AM IN THIS CASE, AFTER THE FACT, THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED.
10:03:56AM THEY HAD ALREADY PAID FOR SURVEYS AND ENGINEERING TO START
10:04:00AM WORK ON THOSE HOUSES.
10:04:02AM AND SO THEY WERE SAYING, NO, WE ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT
10:04:05AM BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED TIME AND MONEY IN BUILDING
10:04:08AM HOUSES ON THOSE LOTS.
10:04:10AM THEY WERE FULFILLING THEIR REQUIREMENTS IN THE CONTRACT.
10:04:13AM >>FRANK REDDICK: BUT WHAT -- WHAT YOU -- WHAT THE THREE OF
10:04:21AM YOU HAVE FAILED TO EXPLAIN IS THAT THAT COMMUNITY ADVISORY
10:04:27AM BOARD SAID THEY WANT TO FOCUS ON.
10:04:32AM THEY DIDN'T WANT THOSE TEN HOMES.
10:04:34AM >> NO, SIR, I BEG TO DIFFER.
10:04:37AM AT THE TIME THAT THAT CONTRACT WAS NEGOTIATED AND APPROVED,
10:04:40AM AS ED SAID, THAT BOARD SAID THAT THAT WAS OKAY, THAT THEY
10:04:45AM WERE AGREEABLE TO HAVE HOUSES BUILT.
10:04:47AM >>FRANK REDDICK: I WANT THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING.
10:04:53AM >>BOB MCDONAUGH: SURE.
10:04:53AM >>FRANK REDDICK: I WANT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, THE NAMES OF
10:04:57AM INDIVIDUALS WHO WAS PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.
10:05:00AM AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE VOTE COUNT WAS AT THAT MEETING.
10:05:08AM BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME DISCREPANCY THERE.
10:05:11AM AND -- AND THE WISHES OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE NOT HONORED.
10:05:19AM AND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.
10:05:22AM SO MR. COHEN, YOU HAD A QUESTION?
10:05:26AM >>HARRY COHEN: NOT NOW.
10:05:27AM >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
10:05:27AM ANYONE ON THE COUNCIL WANT TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME?
10:05:32AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROGRAM
10:05:38AM ITSELF IF THAT'S OKAY.
10:05:39AM >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
10:05:40AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
10:05:41AM LET ME -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET HOW THE PROGRAM IS
10:05:46AM SET UP, OKAY?
10:05:47AM THERE'S A REVOLVING LOAN PORTION OF THIS THAT IS USED TO, I
10:05:51AM GUESS, PAY THE DEVELOPER IN ORDER TO START THE PROJECTS,
10:05:55AM EACH ONE OF THE HOMES.
10:05:56AM IS THAT CORRECT?
10:05:57AM >> CORRECT.
10:05:58AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THERE'S A STIPULATION IN THERE ABOUT EVERY
10:06:01AM FIFTH HOME AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE FIFTH HOME MEAN?
10:06:03AM I LOOKED AT THE DEFINITION AND EVEN LOOKING AT THE
10:06:06AM DEFINITION I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IT MEANT.
10:06:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:06:19AM VANESSA MCCLEARY, WITH PROGRAM MANAGER.
10:06:22AM WE WANTED TO ATTRACT A DEVELOPER THAT COULD BUILD A NUMBER
10:06:25AM OF HOMES.
10:06:26AM AND WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS PROVIDING A REVOLVING LOAN FUND
10:06:31AM WHERE ALL OF THE MONEY WOULD COME BACK TO THE CITY.
10:06:33AM BUT IN DOING THAT, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE
10:06:37AM LEVERAGING OUR DOLLARS AS LARGELY AS POSSIBLE, AND SO EVERY
10:06:42AM FIFTH HOME THEY CANNOT USE THE REVOLVING LOAN FUND TO BUILD.
10:06:47AM THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR OWN MONEY.
10:06:48AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: LET ME ASK YOU, IN TERMS OF THE OF SOME OF
10:06:51AM THE RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT COME
10:06:55AM IN, WE HAVE 1.5 MILLION IN THE REVOLVING LOAN FUND.
10:06:58AM THOSE FUNDS CAME FROM WHERE?
10:07:00AM >> THOSE ARE SHIP FUNDS.
10:07:01AM >> MIKE SUAREZ: THOSE ARE SHIP FUNDS SO THE ENTIRETY OF THE
10:07:04AM REVOLVING LOAN FUND IS SHIP FUNDS.
10:07:08AM AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS WE SELL A HOME, OR THEY SELL A HOME,
10:07:12AM AND THEN HOW DOES IT WORK BACK TO GET MONEY BACK?
10:07:16AM >> SO THEY ARE USING THE REVOLVING LOAN FUND FOR
10:07:18AM CONSTRUCTION FINANCING.
10:07:19AM SO THEY BUILD THE HOME WITH THOSE FUNDS, AND THEN IT'S TAKEN
10:07:23AM OUT WITH A PERMANENT LOAN, AND IT RETURNS TO THE POT.
10:07:26AM AND SO IT JUST KEEPS REVOLVING AS THEY ARE BUILDING HOMES.
10:07:30AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO AS THEY DECIDE TO BUILD ANY PARTICULAR
10:07:34AM HOME, THEY TAKE OUT A REGULAR LOAN OUT, BECAUSE I THINK
10:07:39AM THERE'S A LIMIT OF HOW MUCH ON PER LOT, 100,000?
10:07:44AM >> 100,000.
10:07:45AM >> SO THEY HAVE TO BORROW ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO BUILD A
10:07:49AM HOME.
10:07:50AM THEY AREN'T ABLE TO BUILD A HOME AT $100,000 EVEN WITH THE
10:07:53AM PROPERTY NOT BEING PAID FOR, MEANING THAT WE ARE ALLOWING
10:07:56AM THEM TO USE THAT PROPERTY AND TO BUILD THE HOME.
10:08:00AM IS THAT CORRECT?
10:08:01AM >> YES.
10:08:02AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THEY GO OUT AND GET A REGULAR LOAN.
10:08:04AM >> THEY CAN'T GET A REGULAR LOAN BECAUSE WE PUT A BLANKET
10:08:09AM MORTGAGE ACROSS ALL THE PROPERTIES.
10:08:11AM THEY HAVE TO COME TO US WITH THEIR OWN MONEY.
10:08:13AM SO 1.5.
10:08:16AM THEY ARE COMING IN WITH ANOTHER 3 MILLION OF THEIR OWN
10:08:18AM DOLLARS TO BUILD.
10:08:19AM >> SO WE HAVE 1.5 INVESTED THROUGH FEDERAL FUNDS, THROUGH
10:08:23AM FEDERAL SHIP FUND, THAT THEN THEY HAVE TO MATCH UP TO $3
10:08:27AM MILLION IN ORDER TO FINISH THE PROJECT.
10:08:29AM IS THAT CORRECT?
10:08:29AM >> YES.
10:08:30AM BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1.5 AS YOU START DOING
10:08:33AM CONSTRUCTION, YOU WOULD MAYBE HAVE 15 HOMES, AND IT'S NOT
10:08:38AM TOTAL OF 1.5.
10:08:39AM 1.1 THAT THEY CAN USE ON THE REVOLVER, 400,000 WAS SET ASIDE
10:08:44AM FOR THE NONPROFITS AS THEY BUILD AND SELL HOMES TO FOLKS AT
10:08:48AM 80 TO 120% OF AREA MEDIAN, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO 20,000.
10:08:53AM THEY DON'T GET ANY MONEY TO BUILD.
10:08:55AM THEY DON'T GET ANY MONEY BEFORE THAT HOUSE IS SOLD TO A
10:08:58AM LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUAL.
10:08:59AM SO THEY HAVE GOT 1.1.
10:09:01AM AND YOU CANNOT BUILD OUT IN THE TWO AND A HALF YEARS THAT
10:09:05AM THE CONTRACT STATES WITH JUST THOSE FUNDS.
10:09:07AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: RIGHT.
10:09:09AM SO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF THE 80 TO 100.
10:09:12AM IS IT 80 TO 120% OF THAT?
10:09:15AM WHAT IS THAT IN REAL DOLLARS?
10:09:16AM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE --
10:09:20AM >> A SINGLE PERSON WOULD BE FROM 35,000 TO 62,000.
10:09:26AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: FOR SINGLE?
10:09:28AM >> FOR A SINGLE PERSON.
10:09:31AM I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE FIGURES ARE EXACTLY CORRECT.
10:09:33AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: WHAT WOULD THAT BE FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR?
10:09:37AM BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FORMULA.
10:09:39AM WHAT IS THE FORMULA?
10:09:42AM SO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I AM SAYING, WHEN THEY START LOOKING AT
10:09:45AM POVERTY, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILIES, WHAT'S THE FORMULA IN
10:09:48AM TERMS OF TOTAL INCOME THEE COMING INTO THE HOUSEHOLD?
10:09:51AM >> FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR?
10:09:52AM >> I'M ASKING YOU ABOUT THE FORMULA IN WHICH THEY USE TO
10:09:55AM DETERMINE POVERTY WITH A FAMILY.
10:09:58AM BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED SINGLE.
10:09:59AM DO YOU ALSO USE THAT AS PART OF IT?
10:10:02AM BECAUSE FEDERAL GUIDELINES A LOT OF TIMES WILL HAVE PROPERTY
10:10:04AM LEVEL BASED -- POVERTY LEVEL BASED ON A FAMILY OF FOUR, IF I
10:10:09AM RECALL CORRECTLY, BUT YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
10:10:11AM YOU DEAL WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MORE THAN I DO.
10:10:13AM >> SO THE MEDIAN INCOME WHICH IS DETERMINED BY CENSUS DATA
10:10:16AM IS THE MEDIAN, NOT THE AVERAGE BUT THE MEDIAN.
10:10:19AM AND WE RECEIVE THOSE CHARTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
10:10:21AM EVERY YEAR.
10:10:22AM THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPERTY VALUE, THERE IS A LIMIT
10:10:26AM ON HOW MUCH A HOUSE CAN SELL FOR AND QUALIFY AS AFFORDABLE.
10:10:30AM THAT'S DETERMINED BY THE AVERAGE SALES PRICE IN THE AREA
10:10:33AM THROUGH THE APPRAISER'S OFFICE OF.
10:10:35AM >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:10:36AM I AM JUST TRYING TO GET AT IN REAL NUMBERS WHAT IT WOULD
10:10:39AM MEAN FOR A NORMAL PERSON IN EAST TAMPA THAT LIVES IN THE CRA
10:10:42AM TO BE ABLE TO BORROW -- EXCUSE ME, NOT TO BORROW BUT
10:10:46AM WHATEVER THEIR INCOME LEVEL IS IN ORDER TO AFFORD THAT HOME.
10:10:48AM THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING ABOUT.
10:10:50AM BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE THAT THERE IS A CAP, SEEMS LIKE A CAP,
10:10:53AM I SHOULD SAY, BASED ON WHAT THE PRICING OF THE HOME IS GOING
10:10:56AM TO BE.
10:10:57AM THERE IS AN AMOUNT UP TO $40,000 THAT IS DOLLARS GIVEN FOR
10:11:04AM THE DOWN PAYMENT.
10:11:06AM TYPICALLY A DOWN PAYMENT IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10
10:11:08AM AND 20% DEPENDING ON THE LOAN THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET, ON
10:11:11AM THE OPEN MARKET.
10:11:13AM SO I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE
10:11:16AM LOAN, I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHAT SOMEONE'S ACTUAL INCOME NEEDS
10:11:19AM TO BE IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE LOAN.
10:11:20AM THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING.
10:11:21AM >> OKAY.
10:11:22AM SO 35,000, THEY ARE QUALIFYING AROUND BETWEEN 100 AND
10:11:28AM 120,000 IN TERMS OF A MORTGAGE.
10:11:31AM IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO?
10:11:33AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: YES.
10:11:34AM I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT'S -- HOW EASY IS IT
10:11:37AM GOING TO BE TO CAPTURE SOMEONE THAT IS BETWEEN 80 AND 120%
10:11:43AM IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE HOMES?
10:11:45AM >> SO ACTUALLY WHAT WE HAVE -- AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
10:11:48AM WE DID THIS PROGRAM IS BECAUSE WE PROVIDE DOWN PAYMENT
10:11:51AM ASSISTANCE THROUGH ANOTHER PROGRAM, AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF
10:11:54AM PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST.
10:11:57AM AND IT WAS FROM THAT DATA, FROM OUR WAITING LIST OF PEOPLE
10:12:00AM THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY HAVE A RESERVATION,
10:12:04AM BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND AN AFFORDABLE HOME IN THE
10:12:07AM CITY.
10:12:08AM SO WE HAD OVER 100 PEOPLE THAT HILLSBOROUGH RESERVATIONS
10:12:12AM THAT COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING TO BUY, AND WE WERE LOSING
10:12:15AM FAMILIES TO THE COUNTY, BECAUSE WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS
10:12:17AM PEOPLE WERE DRIVING TO WHERE THEY COULD AFFORD A HOME.
10:12:21AM THE HOMES THAT THEY WOULD FIND IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE
10:12:23AM DIFFERENT ISSUES, AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE QUALIFIED BASED ON
10:12:26AM THE HRS SO WE NEEDED A BETTER MARKET.
10:12:30AM WE ALSO HEARD THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO LIVE IN
10:12:33AM THE CITY BUT COULDN'T FIND THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT THEY
10:12:36AM COULD AFFORD AND WANTED TO LIVE IN WITH TWO AMENITIES, WITH
10:12:38AM THE GRANITE COUNTERTOPS THAT WERE NEWER, THAT HAD THE
10:12:42AM FEATURES OF SOME OF THE OTHER HOMES.
10:12:44AM WE HAD NONPROFIT PARTICIPATES WHO WERE BUILDING ANYWHERE
10:12:47AM FROM 5 TO 10 HOMES A YEAR, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF OVER 100,
10:12:51AM AND THOSE RESERVATIONS ARE EXPIRING.
10:12:54AM WE HAD CITY STAFF THAT CANNOT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE
10:12:58AM CITY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND ANYTHING OF QUALITY THAT THEY
10:13:01AM WANTED TO LIVE IN.
10:13:02AM >> I UNDERSTAND ABOUT AFFORDABLE.
10:13:04AM I AM JUST GETTING BACK TOTAL SPECIFICS OF THE CONTRACT.
10:13:06AM THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
10:13:07AM THE $40,000 DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, WHAT PROGRAM DOES THAT
10:13:11AM COME OUT OF?
10:13:12AM >> SO THAT COMES OUT OF -- SO THROUGH THE CITY WE HAVE ABOUT
10:13:15AM 15,000 THROUGH OUR HOME PROGRAM.
10:13:19AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THAT IS A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
10:13:22AM ALSO?
10:13:22AM >> FEDERAL AND STATE.
10:13:23AM SO SHIP IS ACTUALLY STATE.
10:13:26AM STATE FUNDS.
10:13:26AM >> GOT IT.
10:13:29AM >> AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HOME LOAN BANK PROVIDES DOWN
10:13:32AM PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, SEVERAL LOCAL BANKS PROVIDE DOWN PAYMENT
10:13:35AM ASSISTANCE.
10:13:36AM THERE IS ANOTHER STATE POT OF DOWN PAYMENT SYSTEMS.
10:13:39AM SO YOU COULD LAYER THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
10:13:41AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: AND I GUESS YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE
10:13:44AM AFFORDABILITY BASED ON THE POVERTY LEVEL OF THE PARTICULAR
10:13:49AM APPLICANT.
10:13:50AM IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE REDUCTION AFTER THE DOWN PAYMENT IS
10:13:55AM USED, CORRECT?
10:13:57AM >> RIGHT.
10:13:57AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: AND WITH MOST HOME LOANS, YOU KNOW, BANKS
10:14:01AM REQUIRE WHEN YOU ARE NOT -- WHEN YOU ARE NOT IN THE SPECIAL
10:14:04AM PROGRAM.
10:14:04AM BANKS REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY IN
10:14:06AM THE BANK AND CERTAIN OTHER THINGS.
10:14:08AM CRITERIA, THOUGH, TO QUALIFY HERE IS FIRST WHETHER OR NOT
10:14:14AM YOU QUALIFY BETWEEN THE 80 TO 120% AMI, ISN'T IT?
10:14:20AM >> YES.
10:14:21AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SECONDLY, IS THERE A RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT
10:14:24AM THAT THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OR IN THE CRA ITSELF?
10:14:26AM >> THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE A HOME IN THE CITY.
10:14:29AM SO THERE ARE TWO PROGRAMS RUNNING.
10:14:32AM >> THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
10:14:33AM MY QUESTION IS DOES THE APPLICANT ALREADY HAVE TO BE A CITY
10:14:36AM RESIDENT IN ORDER TO QUALIFY?
10:14:38AM >> NO.
10:14:38AM >> SO ANYONE FROM ANY PART OF THE COUNTY OR ANYWHERE
10:14:41AM ACTUALLY CAN COME IN AND APPLY FOR THAT BASED ON THEIR AMI?
10:14:46AM >> YES.
10:14:47AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO THAT'S NOT A CRITERIA.
10:14:50AM WHAT ARE THE OTHER CRITERIAS TO QUALIFY?
10:14:52AM >> THEY NEED TO HAVE THEIR OWN SAVINGS.
10:14:54AM THEY -- BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO THE DEAL.
10:14:57AM >> WHAT'S THE AMOUNT?
10:15:00AM >> $2,000.
10:15:02AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE $2,000 IN SAVINGS.
10:15:06AM SO IT'S KIND OF A STRANGE THING BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE TALKING
10:15:08AM ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT'S BETWEEN 80 AND 120% OF AMI BUT STILL
10:15:14AM HAVE TO HAVE $2,000 IN SAVINGS.
10:15:17AM IT SEEMS A LITTLE DIFFICULT HOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY QUALIFY
10:15:20AM THEN.
10:15:20AM I AM NOT SURE.
10:15:25AM WHAT OTHER PEOPLE'S SAVINGS, ACCOUNTS ARE.
10:15:28AM IT'S PRETTY DIFFICULT TO DO WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT LEVEL, 80
10:15:33AM TO 120.
10:15:33AM >> I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO STIGMATIZE PEOPLE AT CERTAIN
10:15:38AM INCOMES AS IF THEY --
10:15:40AM >> I AM NOT TRYING TO STIGMATIZE ANYBODY.
10:15:42AM I'M TALKING AS A GUY WHO HAS THREE CHILDREN, ONE IN COLLEGE
10:15:45AM AND ONE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL.
10:15:47AM THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
10:15:48AM IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
10:15:49AM I'M SAYING WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY AT AMI AT 80 TO 120%, HOW
10:15:54AM MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAVINGS UP TO $2,000?
10:15:57AM >> A LOT.
10:15:58AM >> A LOT.
10:15:58AM OKAY.
10:15:59AM YOU DON'T KNOW THOUGH BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WAITING LIST.
10:16:01AM >> WELL, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THE RESERVATION NUMBER,
10:16:03AM THEY HAVE TO HAVE --
10:16:05AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO OKAY, SO YOU HAVE AT LEAST 100 ON THE
10:16:09AM WAITING LIST.
10:16:09AM SO THAT'S THE ANSWER.
10:16:11AM SO THERE'S 100 PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE --
10:16:13AM >> SORRY.
10:16:14AM RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 150 RESERVATIONS.
10:16:17AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: 150 RESERVATIONS THAT QUALIFIED.
10:16:20AM THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET AT.
10:16:21AM >> AND THAT IS TO PURCHASE A HOME.
10:16:25AM THEY DON'T HAVE TO PURCHASE ONE OF THESE HOMES.
10:16:26AM THEY COULD PURCHASE ANY HOME AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE CITY
10:16:29AM LIMITS.
10:16:29AM THEY MUST GOP THROUGH HOUSING COUNSELING AND THAT'S WHERE
10:16:32AM THEY ARE EDUCATED ON THE PROCESS AND THE PORPOISES OF
10:16:35AM SAVING, BECAUSE AS A HOMEOWNER THEY ARE GOING TO COME ACROSS
10:16:38AM EXPENSES.
10:16:39AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: ONE LAST QUESTION.
10:16:40AM HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THAT LIST, 150 PEOPLE, HOW MANY OF THEM
10:16:43AM ALREADY LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA EITHER RENTING OR ALREADY
10:16:46AM HAVE --
10:16:47AM >> UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA WITH ME.
10:16:49AM I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK.
10:16:51AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT BECAUSE WE
10:16:52AM ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE HELP FOR PEOPLE AS BEST WE CAN, BUT WE
10:16:56AM ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE AND THOSE
10:17:01AM WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO INTO THIS PROGRAM TO AFFORD A
10:17:05AM BETTER HOME.
10:17:06AM AND THAT'S PART OF IT IN MY MIND.
10:17:07AM I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT.
10:17:10AM IT MAY NOT BE ALLOWED.
10:17:11AM >> THAT'S NOT ALLOYED.
10:17:13AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: NOT ALLOWED.
10:17:14AM OKAY.
10:17:15AM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF A SILENT
10:17:18AM PARTNER IN SOME WAY.
10:17:19AM A SMALL PARTNER IN TERMS OF AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, BUT WE ARE
10:17:23AM MANAGING THE PROGRAM BUT WE DON'T OWN THE PROGRAM, MEANING
10:17:25AM THAT IT IS NOT OUR FUNDS, NOT OUR GENERAL FUNDS THAT ARE
10:17:28AM GOING INTO THIS.
10:17:29AM >> RIGHT.
10:17:29AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THAT'S WAY WANT TO MAKE SURE.
10:17:32AM THANKS A LOCALITY.
10:17:32AM I APPRECIATE IT, CHAIR.
10:17:33AM >>FRANK REDDICK: MRS. CAPIN.
10:17:36AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:17:43AM FROM THE FLOOR: CAN'T HEAR YOU.
10:17:44AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: OF THE 150 PEOPLE, ALL OF THESE IF I
10:17:48AM UNDERSTOOD RIGHT HAVE THE $2,000 SAVINGS.
10:17:51AM >> THEY HAVE AT LEAST $1,000 BY THE TIME THEY GO TO CLOSING.
10:17:55AM THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE OTHER THOUSAND.
10:17:58AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: CAN A FAMILY MEMBER GIVE IT TO THEM?
10:18:03AM >> UH-HUH.
10:18:04AM A FAMILY MEMBER CAN GIVE THEM THE OTHER THOUSAND AND IN A
10:18:07AM LOT OF CASES THEIR DEPOSITS, THEY CAN GET RETURNED WHEN THEY
10:18:11AM LEAVE THE RENTAL.
10:18:12AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: THANK YOU.
10:18:13AM >>FRANK REDDICK: THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AFFORDABLE HOMES
10:18:17AM THAT ARE BEING BUILT?
10:18:18AM >> YES.
10:18:19AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST?
10:18:21AM >> PARDON?
10:18:22AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST?
10:18:24AM >> THE AVERAGE COST?
10:18:26AM >>FRANK REDDICK: OF THE HOMES.
10:18:30AM >> ABOUT 1,610,000.
10:18:32AM >>FRANK REDDICK: THAT'S NOT WHAT DOMAIN HOMES TOLD ME.
10:18:34AM IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.
10:18:35AM >> SORRY.
10:18:36AM THERE'S MORE THAN DOMAIN HOMES THAT BUILDING HOMES.
10:18:38AM YOU ASKED ME THE AVERAGE COST.
10:18:39AM SO IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DOMAIN, THEY ARE BUILDING
10:18:42AM BETWEEN 179 AND 220.
10:18:44AM BUT WE ARE ALSO PARTNERED WITH HABITAT, WITH CBC, WITH OTHER
10:18:49AM FOLKS THAT ARE BUILDING HOMES.
10:18:50AM >>FRANK REDDICK: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING
10:18:52AM BUILT GOING UP ON 21st AT THIS MOMENT.
10:18:55AM >> YES.
10:18:57AM SO THE AVERAGE WOULD BE ABOUT 200.
10:19:02AM >>FRANK REDDICK: DO YOU KNOW THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE HOMES
10:19:06AM WITHIN TWO MILES?
10:19:10AM >> THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE HOMES WITHIN TWO MIMES OF THAT?
10:19:13AM >>FRANK REDDICK: YES.
10:19:14AM >> I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT.
10:19:16AM >>FRANK REDDICK: I THINK YOU NEED TO GET PREPARED.
10:19:18AM >> SORRY.
10:19:20AM I WAS TOLD THAT I NEEDED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING --
10:19:23AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WELL, I AM ASKING YOU TO BE PREPARED.
10:19:26AM AND PROVIDE THAT ANSWER.
10:19:28AM BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THOUGH HOMES THAT
10:19:32AM ARE BEING BUILT NOW WITHIN TWO MILES RADIUS, NONE OF THEM
10:19:42AM ARE VALUED AT 200,000.
10:19:44AM >> I WOULDN'T SAY NONE OF THEM, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT --
10:19:48AM >>FRANK REDDICK: MA'AM, YOU DON'T LIVE THERE.
10:19:51AM YOU NEVER LIVED THERE.
10:19:53AM I HAVE BEEN THERE.
10:19:53AM >> OKAY.
10:19:54AM >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY?
10:19:56AM SO DON'T TELL ME THAT.
10:19:58AM >> SORRY.
10:19:59AM I WASN'T BRINGING TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT.
10:20:01AM WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE
10:20:04AM PROGRAM WAS WE HAVE BEEN ASKED BY HUD TO HAVE BEEN
10:20:06AM DECONCENTRATE POVERTY.
10:20:08AM AND WE ARE TRYING TO MIX UP THE INCOMES IN THIS AREA.
10:20:11AM SO ARE THERE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA THE SAME VALUES?
10:20:14AM NO, THEY ARE NOT.
10:20:16AM BUT I DO KNOW --
10:20:17AM >>FRANK REDDICK: THE 200,000 IS NOT AFFORDABLE.
10:20:21AM >> IT IS AFFORDABLE TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:20:23AM >> WOULD YOU MOVE THERE?
10:20:24AM >> I WOULD MOVE INTO A HOME THAT IS LIKE ONE OF THESE, YES.
10:20:27AM >>FRANK REDDICK: YOU WOULD?
10:20:28AM WELL, I AM GOING TO BUY ONE AND SELL IT TO YOU.
10:20:35AM OKAY.
10:20:35AM ANYBODY ELSE?
10:20:38AM >> SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR IN THAT
10:20:42AM NEIGHBORHOOD -- 69 MA'AM.
10:20:44AM >> WE TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL.
10:20:46AM WE TALK ABOUT AMENITIES --
10:20:48AM >>FRANK REDDICK: I DON'T WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM YOU.
10:20:50AM WE ARE GOING TO THE PUBLIC.
10:20:51AM ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
10:20:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:21:06AM I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON TWO THINGS OF.
10:21:08AM >>FRANK REDDICK: STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:09AM >> I'M SORRY.
10:21:10AM MONA JUDGE.
10:21:11AM OKAY.
10:21:12AM AND I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON TWO THINGS, PARTICULARLY TO
10:21:15AM THE FIRST GENTLEMAN, ED JOHNSON, AND THE LADY WHO JUST LEFT.
10:21:22AM EVERYBODY IN EAST TAMPA SEES WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:21:26AM YOU ARE TRYING TO MOVE EAST TAMPA, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE
10:21:30AM THERE, OUT.
10:21:31AM NOBODY CAN EH FORD A $200,000 HOUSE AND SHE KNOWS THAT.
10:21:38AM THAT LIVES IN EAST TAMPA.
10:21:41AM AND THAT PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT WITH CRA MONEY.
10:21:46AM AND ED JOHNSON SEEMED LIKE HIM AND DOMAIN HOMES, HE RAN THAT
10:21:53AM ORGANIZATION.
10:21:55AM NOBODY EVEN KNEW UNTIL THE HANDS JUST CHANGED.
10:22:02AM HE HAVE A LINE BEST JUST DID WHAT HE SAID TO DO.
10:22:06AM AND YOU NEED TO CHECK INTO THAT.
10:22:09AM THANK YOU.
10:22:09AM >> ORLANDO GUDES.
10:22:16AM COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN OF THE CRA COULD NOT BE HERE.
10:22:21AM SHE'S AT THE CRA MEETING IN FORT MYERS.
10:22:23AM BUT I HAVE SOMETHING SHE WANTS ME TO READ TO COUNCIL.
10:22:38AM THE BRIEF READS, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, TAMPA, FLORIDA 363602.
10:22:44AM WE HAVE A WORKSHOP REGARDING DOMAIN HOMES.
10:22:46AM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, HEAR MY CONCERNS AND SCHEDULE THIS WORK
10:22:49AM SHOP.
10:22:50AM UNFORTUNATELY I AM UNABLE TO ATTEND AS I AM IN FORT MYERS
10:22:53AM ATTENDING THE 2008 CONFERENCE FOR THE ASSOCIATION.
10:22:58AM I AM NEWLY ELECTED CHAIRPERSON FOR THE ETCRP COMMUNITY
10:23:01AM ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:23:03AM AS I NOTED PREVIOUSLY WHEN I SPOKE BEFORE COUNCIL, I AM
10:23:06AM PROVIDING YOU WITH DOCUMENTS.
10:23:07AM THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN OUR ORIGINAL INTENTION
10:23:11AM OF THE LOT BETWEEN 21st AND 22ND STREETS AS COMMERCIAL
10:23:15AM DEVELOPMENT.
10:23:15AM THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND ATTRACT A GROCERY STORE
10:23:18AM TO THE AREA.
10:23:20AM THE LOTS WERE PURCHASED THROUGH ETRCP FOR COMMERCIAL
10:23:26AM DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY A GROCERY STORE.
10:23:27AM I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MOPE R MORE HOMES, BUT I ALSO
10:23:31AM UNDERSTAND WHAT HAVING A PLACE TO BUY FRESH FOOD DOES TO A
10:23:35AM COMMUNITY AS WELL.
10:23:37AM I'M HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED DO MILE-PER-HOUR HOMES FROM THE
10:23:39AM BEGINNING.
10:23:40AM THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY WAS MINIMAL.
10:23:42AM THE CAC WAS NOT ADVISED OF WHAT LOTS WERE INCLUDED IN THE 75
10:23:45AM DOMAIN -- WAS ALLOTTED TO SELECT UNTIL MUCH LATER.
10:23:50AM WE WERE NOTIFIED, I SAID THOSE LOTS NOT BE INCLUDED.
10:23:54AM WE EVENTUALLY DRAFT ADD LETTER DENYING DOMAIN HOMES REQUEST
10:23:57AM FOR A VARIANCE REQUESTING THE LOTS BACK.
10:24:00AM THE LETTER WAS APPROVED ON A TUESDAY AND DELIVERED ON
10:24:03AM WEDNESDAY.
10:24:03AM BY THURSDAY, THE LAND WAS PREPPED TO BEGIN BUILDING AND
10:24:07AM DOMAIN MOVED FORWARD BUILD HOMES ON THE LOTS IN QUESTION.
10:24:10AM TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A LETTER FROM DOMAIN
10:24:13AM HOMES EVEN ACKNOWLEDGING OUR LETTER.
10:24:15AM NOT KNOWING WHAT ELSE TO DO, WE HAVE THOSE LOTS WITH OTHER
10:24:20AM LOTS.
10:24:21AM I CAME TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ASSISTANCE.
10:24:23AM AT THIS POINT DOMAIN HOMES HAS BUILT TWO HOMES ON THE LOT IN
10:24:26AM QUESTION, AND THEN HAD TO BUILD COMPLETE HOMES ON THESE
10:24:30AM LOTS.
10:24:32AM DOMAIN HOMES WOULD UNDERSTAND OUR PLIGHT AND WOULD WANT TO
10:24:35AM MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A BETTER PLACE FOR RESIDENTS.
10:24:37AM BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
10:24:39AM AGAIN I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN DOMAIN HOMES.
10:24:42AM IF ANYTHING CAN BE DONE AT THIS STAGE. GAME I REQUEST THAT
10:24:46AM DOMAIN HOMES WORK TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY.
10:24:49AM THERE ARE SEVERAL BLIGHT AREAS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP.
10:24:52AM DOMAIN HOMES CAN HAVE ASSIST WITH THIS PROCESS.
10:24:54AM WE ARE ALSO IN NEED OF SOME PUBLIC INITIATIVES.
10:24:58AM IT'S SUPPOSED TO ANSWER TO THE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE RESIDE
10:25:03AM WITHIN THE CRA.
10:25:04AM OUR COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN.
10:25:05AM WE HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO LISTEN.
10:25:06AM THE PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF DRIVING MILES TO GET TO BE A GROCERY
10:25:11AM STORE.
10:25:11AM THE PEOPLE ARE SICK OF SEEING GRANDMOTHERS TAKE TWO AND
10:25:14AM THREE BUSES TO PICK UP A LOAF OF BREAD.
10:25:16AM THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT A GROCERY STORE WILL BE JUST THE
10:25:19AM BEGINNING OF BRINGING TRUE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO OUR
10:25:22AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:25:23AM WE CANNOT IGNORE WHAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE ASKING TO FOLLOW THE
10:25:27AM AGENDA OF THOSE WHO DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NECESSARY OUR CRA.
10:25:31AM PLEASE HELP THE PEOPLE WHO RESIDE WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA CRA
10:25:34AM RETRIEVE THOSE LOTS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE MOVING ON
10:25:38AM ESTABLISHED PLAN.
10:25:39AM THOSE LOTS WERE SOUGHT AFTER PURCHASE WITH INTENT OF
10:25:43AM REZONING TO COMMERCIAL LOTS TO HELP BRING ECONOMIC
10:25:46AM DEVELOPMENT TO EAST TAMPA.
10:25:48AM PLEASE DO NOT LET A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CHANGE THE
10:25:51AM ESTABLISHMENT AND THE INTENTION OF THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CRA.
10:25:55AM RETAIN THE LOTS BACK IS NOT POSSIBLE -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR
10:26:02AM HELP AND ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER.
10:26:05AM SINCERELY, CHAIR OF EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP.
10:26:09AM >>FRANK REDDICK: NEXT SPEAKER.
10:26:10AM >> MY NAME IS CAROL RANSON.
10:26:16AM I'M SITTING ON THE SECOND ROW HERE.
10:26:17AM I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.
10:26:19AM IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER.
10:26:21AM YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE
10:26:24AM IN THIS ROOM.
10:26:25AM BUT FOR SOME OTHER REASON, WE ARE NOT HEARING YOU CLEARLY.
10:26:28AM SO IF YOU COULD SCOOT A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONES.
10:26:32AM WE JUST ASK THAT YOU SPEAK LOUDER.
10:26:33AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WE'LL ASK THE PEOPLE TO TURN OUR MIKES UP.
10:26:39AM >> BECAUSE WE ARE NOT HEARING YOU.
10:26:40AM AND THE OTHER COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE, MR. REDDICK, YOU
10:26:43AM MADE SOME SPECIFIC REQUESTS.
10:26:44AM MR. SNELLING CAME UP HERE.
10:26:46AM HE TOLD US THAT IT'S 85 OR 95 LOTS, WHICH IS IT?
10:26:50AM IS IT 85 LOTS OR IS IT 95 LOTS?
10:26:54AM WE ARE ASKING FOR SPECIFIC INFORMATION REGARDING THE DOLLAR
10:26:57AM AMOUNT, AND WE NEED SOME KIND OF PAPERWORK OR SOMETHING YOU
10:27:01AM CAN HAND OUT.
10:27:02AM IT'S NOT JUST SPOUTING WORD.
10:27:03AM IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR OBJECTIVES THAT WENT ALONG WITH THIS
10:27:07AM PROJECT, THIS PROGRAM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LAID OUT AS
10:27:10AM WELL.
10:27:11AM AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE CITY OF TAMPA, I WOULD LIKE TO
10:27:16AM RECOMMEND THAT WE HOLD TOWN HALL MEETINGS TO HAVE THESE
10:27:19AM DISCUSSIONS BEFOREHAND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THE
10:27:22AM PUSHBACK FROM THIS COMMUNITY REGARDING THE MATTER, BECAUSE
10:27:25AM THERE WILL BE A PUSHBACK.
10:27:27AM SO AGAIN WE ASK THAT IF YOU PROVIDE INFORMATION ESPECIALLY
10:27:31AM WHEN TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS WE NEED TO SEE SOME
10:27:34AM NUMBERS.
10:27:34AM THE NUMBERS ARE COME ACROSS SO FAST, $1,000 TO $220,000, BY
10:27:39AM THE TIME I WRITE THAT DOWN IT'S ALL A MUCH MIST.
10:27:42AM SO IF WE HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING WE WOULD GREATLY
10:27:45AM APPRECIATE IT.
10:27:46AM THANK YOU.
10:27:46AM >>HARRY COHEN: I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF ASKING FOR
10:27:50AM SOMETHING IN WRITING.
10:27:51AM I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT ANYONE THAT WANTS IT -- AND
10:27:54AM THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS SO THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE --
10:27:57AM BE GIVEN COPIES OF BOTH CRSP, THE ORIGINAL RFP THAT WAS
10:28:01AM ISSUED BY THE CITY, AND ALSO THE CONTRACT.
10:28:03AM BECAUSE THE CONTRACT IS GOING -- THE RFP AND THE CONTRACT
10:28:07AM SHOULD ANSWER EVERY SINGLE QUESTION ABOUT THE ACTUAL DOLLAR
10:28:11AM AMOUNTS, WHAT THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PROGRAM ARE, AND EXACTLY
10:28:15AM WHAT WAS AGREED TO IN TERMS OF THE EXACT NUMBER OF LOTS.
10:28:19AM THAT IS AVAILABLE, SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY THAT
10:28:22AM WANTS A COPY OF IT.
10:28:23AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS PUBLIC RECORD.
10:28:31AM WHEN YOU DO REQUEST IT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT.
10:28:35AM >>HARRY COHEN: THIS IS THE REQUEST.
10:28:37AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: FOR HER?
10:28:40AM >>HARRY COHEN: FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SEE IT.
10:28:42AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: IT IS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SEE
10:28:45AM IT.
10:28:45AM >>HARRY COHEN: I AM MAKING THE REQUEST.
10:28:47AM >>YVONNE CAPIN: I WANTED TO BE CLEAR.
10:28:49AM THANK YOU.
10:28:49AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE ONE OR US HERE.
10:28:56AM WE HAVE A COPY OF SOME OF THE INFORMATION AS MR. COHEN SAID.
10:28:58AM IF YOU WANT IT, YOU CAN HAVE IT, READ THROUGH IT JUST LIKE I
10:29:01AM DID AND TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AND R JUST LIKE I TRIED TO.
10:29:04AM NOT EASY READING.
10:29:05AM >>FRANK REDDICK: GO AHEAD.
10:29:07AM >> BIANDRA.
10:29:13AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE DIRECT NEED FOR MANY YOUNG WOMEN
10:29:17AM ENTERING INTO THE WORKFORCE.
10:29:19AM OUR ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW WOULD LIKE TO THANK COUNCILMAN
10:29:24AM HARRY COHEN FOR HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH OUR PRESIDENT
10:29:27AM CONNIE BURTON, AND NOT TURN A DEAF HERE.
10:29:30AM WE ARE HOPING THAT THIS CONCEPT OF CONTAINER HOMES WOULD
10:29:34AM BECOME A TRUE BENEFIT TO POOR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.
10:29:38AM >> UNDER THE DUE PROCESS LAW, I WANT --
10:29:56AM >>FRANK REDDICK: YOU HAVE GOT THREE MINUTES, SIR.
10:29:58AM AND STAFF IS GIVING REPORTS.
10:30:01AM >> THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A WORKSHOP.
10:30:03AM >>FRANK REDDICK: YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT.
10:30:05AM >> ALL RIGHT.
10:30:06AM MY NAME IS AMBASSADOR LINDSAY DIXON, WITH EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
10:30:12AM OF THE VOICE FOUNDATION.
10:30:13AM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS.
10:30:19AM I BELIEVE THAT THE BUILDING OF THESE HOMES IS A FORM OF
10:30:25AM GENTRIFICATION AND GERRYMANDERING.
10:30:29AM I KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY RFP, ONLY DOMAIN HOMES COULD
10:30:36AM WIN THIS AWARD.
10:30:37AM THEY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BUILT 35 HOMES IN THE
10:30:42AM PREVIOUS YEAR.
10:30:44AM AND I ASKED MRS. VANESSA WAS SHE AWARE THAT NO NONPROFITS
10:30:49AM HAVE BUILT 35 HOMES IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR?
10:30:52AM SHE SAID YES.
10:30:53AM THIS IS A FORM OF COLLUSION, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE -- ONLY
10:31:06AM ONE INDIVIDUAL CAN WIN THAT AWARD.
10:31:07AM AND I SAY THIS, THAT AS A NONPROFIT, HE HAVE BEEN DOING
10:31:11AM BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR 35 YEARS.
10:31:16AM WE HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A 1.5, ZERO INTEREST.
10:31:24AM WE HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A LOT FOR ONE DOLLAR.
10:31:28AM WHEN WE BUY LOTS THEY TOLD US WE HAD TO PAY THE APPRAISED
10:31:31AM VALUE.
10:31:31AM THAT IS WRONG.
10:31:33AM NOW, ALL OF YOU SITTING IN THIS POSITION, CITY-WIDE,
10:31:44AM DISTRICT 5 CANNOT AFFORD.
10:31:49AM THEY ARE BUILDING HOMES THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN
10:31:51AM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CANNOT AFFORD.
10:31:57AM THAT IS GENTRIFICATION.
10:31:58AM AND THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT AREA, AND THE COUNTY SHOULD
10:32:08AM TALK TO THE CITY ABOUT THAT.
10:32:10AM AND YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE THIS, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BY A
10:32:19AM FORMER HOUSING DIRECTOR THAT HUD WOULD NOT GO ALONG WITH
10:32:22AM THIS.
10:32:23AM YOU ARE USING THE DOCUMENT ALSO KNOWN AS SHIP MONEY.
10:32:28AM AND I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN, I HAD TO GO AND GET MONEY TO BUILD
10:32:34AM HOMES THROUGH A BANK.
10:32:35AM BUT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WHEN SOMEBODY THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE
10:32:39AM US COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CHANGED THE RULES.
10:32:43AM AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
10:32:46AM IT IS A FORM OF GENTRIFICATION AND GERRYMANDERING AND I
10:32:49AM DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT.
10:32:50AM AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, DOMAIN HOMES, THEY HAD PROBLEMS.
10:32:57AM AND I WAS TOLD -- AND I BUILT 200 HOMES.
10:33:04AM WE HAVE NONPROFITS THAT COULD HAVE BUILT THOSE HOMES.
10:33:07AM BUT YOU GAVE IT TO SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN THE
10:33:10AM COMMUNITY, DIDN'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
10:33:12AM AND I THINK IT'S WRONG.
10:33:13AM >> CONNIE BURTON.
10:33:28AM NO DOUBT DOMAIN HOMES AND THE CITY HAVE AN IRONCLAD
10:33:33AM CONTRACT.
10:33:33AM THEY PROBABLY DO.
10:33:34AM IT'S ALL WRITTEN AND PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:33:36AM THEY FOLLOWED THE LAW.
10:33:37AM BUT ONE THING I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, IT GOING TO BE HELL IN
10:33:42AM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:33:43AM BECAUSE WE ARE JUST AS DETERMINED AS ALL OTHER
10:33:47AM NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE BEEN LIVING FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS ON
10:33:52AM A ONCE UPON A TIME.
10:33:54AM ONCE UPON A TIME WE HAD A THRIVING BLACK COMMUNITY.
10:33:56AM ONCE UPON A TIME -- I COULDN'T CALL ONE BLACK BUSINESS THIS
10:34:03AM MORNING THAT COULD HAVE ANTICIPATED AND GIVEN SOMETHING TO
10:34:06AM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR PERSONNEL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:34:10AM IT'S ALL GONE.
10:34:11AM NOW, ONCE UPON A TIME, SOMEBODY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO
10:34:17AM THEIR POSITION, PROBABLY BE GONE WHEN THE MAYOR IS GONE.
10:34:21AM PROBABLY WON'T BE AROUND.
10:34:23AM ED JOHNSON SHOULD BE TERMINATED ON THE SPOT.
10:34:31AM FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHERE FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS, THAT
10:34:36AM WE HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE DOOR THAT'S GOING TO LOOK FOR THE
10:34:38AM BEST INTEREST OF THE AFRICAN PEOPLE, AND IT'S A PAYCHECK AND
10:34:44AM RETIREMENT.
10:34:45AM WE AIN'T GOT NOTHING.
10:34:46AM THOSE HOUSES THAT DOMAIN HOMES, WE SAY, HEY, HOLD UP.
10:34:53AM HOLD UP. JUST WAIT.
10:34:57AM WE HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THEY WERE POURING THEIR FOUNDATION
10:35:01AM BECAUSE THEY ARE DETERMINED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
10:35:06AM THEY HAVE THE BLESSING OF THE CITY LEADERSHIP AND HE'S GOING
10:35:09AM TO BE GONE TOO.
10:35:10AM AND LORD HAVE MERCY WHERE WE SAY WE WERE -- WON'T BE NO
10:35:19AM PEACE FOR THOSE FAMILIES BECAUSE WE PLAN ON STANDING OH
10:35:24AM GROUND.
10:35:24AM YES, WE DO.
10:35:25AM YOU ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT I
10:35:31AM DON'T CARE IF IT'S VANESSA McCLEARY, WE HAVE SOMEBODY AND
10:35:39AM THEY HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
10:35:42AM WE ARE JUST BEYOND SICK AND TIRED.
10:35:46AM DOMAIN HOMES BUILDING THOSE LOTS, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
10:35:52AM COUNCILMAN REDDICK, AIN'T NOBODY THERE MAKING NO $40,000.
10:36:01AM EVEN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, $190,000, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO NEW
10:36:07AM NEIGHBORS BUT I AM OPPOSED TO SOMETHING BEING SHOULD HAVE
10:36:09AM HAD DOWN OUR THROATS.
10:36:11AM YOU TALK ABOUT A $40,000 DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
10:36:13AM EVERY TIME WE TALK TO SOMEBODY THAT TRIES TO QUALIFY, IT
10:36:17AM DON'T GO BEYOND $15,000.
10:36:22AM IT WON'T BE ON US NO MORE.
10:36:23AM ANYBODY WHO HAS POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS, ...
10:36:34AM THANK YOU.
10:36:34AM >> I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF VANESSA'S TEAM.
10:36:42AM AND DOMAIN HOMES AND THE PROGRAM THAT THEY ARE WORKING
10:36:45AM UNDER.
10:36:47AM IT IS HANDS DOWN THE MOST IMPACTFUL PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF
10:36:53AM TAMPA HAS HAD WITH SCATTERED LOTS, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:36:59AM I'M A 7-YEAR VOLUNTEER FOR THE CITY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING
10:37:04AM ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
10:37:06AM AND UNTIL VANESSA, TIANA AND THAT GROUP HAS COME INTO THE
10:37:12AM CITY, VERY ALSO HAS GOTTEN DONE WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE
10:37:20AM HOUSING.
10:37:20AM THIS PROGRAM IS AN THAN CREDIBLE ASSEMBLAGE OF IDEAS, OF
10:37:27AM FINANCIAL CAPITAL, OF INTELLECTUAL CAPITAL.
10:37:30AM THERE WERE OTHER BIG BUILDERS ALSO.
10:37:35AM JUST TO LET THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT THERE WAS OUTREACH TO
10:37:39AM LENNAR HOMES FROM OTHER BIG BUILDERS TO COME IN HERE.
10:37:42AM AND BECAUSE THE CONSTRAINTS WERE SO TIGHT WITH THE CITY, AND
10:37:46AM THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH SUNSHINE AND OPENNESS AND OUTREACH TO
10:37:53AM NONPROFITS, THERE'S TWO NONPROFITS, BOTH HEADED BY AFRICAN
10:38:00AM AMERICAN MEN WHO ARE PARTNERING WITH DOMAIN, THAT HASN'T
10:38:03AM BEEN SPOKEN OUT AND SAID THAT THAT'S A FACT.
10:38:07AM THIS WAS ALL DONE IN THE OPEN.
10:38:08AM THIS WAS ALL DONE OVER MONTHS AND MONTHS.
10:38:13AM I HAVE TO COMMEND VANESSA AND HER CREW FOR THEIR WORK IN
10:38:18AM PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
10:38:19AM THIS HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST AND BEST THING IN MY SEVEN YEARS
10:38:23AM ON THAT COMMITTEE THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED, TAKING 75
10:38:27AM SCATTERED LOTS THAT ARE PRODUCING NO INCOME FOR THE CITY'S
10:38:31AM TAX ROLLS, AND PUTTING HOUSES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE FIRST-TIME
10:38:37AM HOMEBUYERS FOR THE MOST PART, USING ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT
10:38:39AM AVAILABLE, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY, FROM
10:38:43AM THE COUNTY, FROM THE LOCAL LENDERS.
10:38:46AM IT'S BEEN A HUGE AND VERY SUCCESSFUL, IN MY OPINION,
10:38:51AM PROGRAM.
10:38:52AM AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM HIGHLY IN SUPPORT OF
10:38:55AM IT AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL AS WELL.
10:38:57AM THANK YOU.
10:38:57AM >> I'M THE CEO FOR HABITAT, AND I WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE
10:39:09AM BIT OF DETAIL BECAUSE I CAN SENSE THAT COUNCILMAN SUAREZ HAD
10:39:15AM SOME NUMBER QUESTIONS.
10:39:17AM I WANT TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT HOW HABITAT WOULD
10:39:20AM WORK AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT.
10:39:21AM AS YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE BUILDING TEN HOMES IN THE ENTIRE
10:39:26AM AGREEMENT.
10:39:27AM SO THE WAY HABITAT WORKS IS WE SERVE THOSE THAT ARE 30 TO
10:39:30AM 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
10:39:33AM SO WE GO UP TO 120.
10:39:35AM BUT HABITAT DOES NOT.
10:39:39AM SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT, SAY, A FAMILY OF FOUR AND ALL THE
10:39:42AM WAY UP AT THE 80% MARK TALKING ABOUT 50, 55,000 FOR A FAMILY
10:39:48AM OF FOUR.
10:39:49AM IF YOU GO GET AS LOW AS 30, ABOUT 25,000 A YEAR.
10:39:54AM NOW, THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT INTO THE
10:39:59AM PROGRAM.
10:40:00AM THEY HAVE TO SHOW THE ABILITY TO PAY.
10:40:02AM SO BASICALLY WHAT WE DID, WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY NO MORE THAN
10:40:05AM 30% OF THEIR INCOME SHOULD GO TO HOUSING BECAUSE IF IT DOES,
10:40:08AM YOU ARE STARTING TO HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS BETWEEN HOUSING
10:40:11AM AND HEALTH CARE AND HOUSING IN EDUCATION AND FOOD AND THINGS
10:40:14AM LIKE THAT.
10:40:14AM SO MANY WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMEBODY IN THAT SITUATION.
10:40:16AM BUT THE WAY OF THAT WE ACHIEVE SERVING SOME OF THE LOWER
10:40:20AM INCOME INDIVIDUALS IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE THE BUILDER BUT
10:40:24AM WE ARE ALSO THE LENDER.
10:40:25AM AND WHAT WE DO IS WE PROVIDE A ZERO PERCENT INTEREST
10:40:28AM MORTGAGE.
10:40:28AM SO IN LOOKING AT THE HOMES THAT WE WOULD BE BUILT IN THIS
10:40:33AM AREA, WE WILL BE BUILDING IN THIS AREA HOPEFULLY, WE LOOK AT
10:40:37AM WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THOSE VALUES TO BE.
10:40:38AM WOOER LOOKING AT PROBABLY ABOUT $170,000 APPROXIMATE WITH
10:40:43AM MEDIAN APPRAISED VALUE OF A HOME, WITH ZERO PERCENT MORTGAGE
10:40:48AM WOULD BE PAYING A PAYMENT MONTHLY OF ABOUT $700 A MONTH.
10:40:52AM SO WE HAVE ALREADY DONE ALL OF THAT ANALYSIS.
10:40:54AM SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU KIND OF AN IDEA, HABITAT'S PIECE
10:40:59AM INTO THIS AND HOW IT IS AFFORDABLE FOR THOSE THAT CAN
10:41:03AM QUALIFY FOR THE PROGRAM.
10:41:04AM AGAIN I KIND OF GAVE YOU INCOME LEVELS.
10:41:07AM BUTT IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I AM HAPPY TO
10:41:09AM ANSWER FROM HABITAT.
10:41:11AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING ALL OF THAT.
10:41:14AM AND OBVIOUSLY BELOW 80%.
10:41:18AM SO MY QUESTION IS YOU JUST MENTIONED $700 A MONTH.
10:41:22AM ON SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE MAKING BETWEEN 25 AND $55,000.
10:41:26AM THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR ANY
10:41:29AM FAMILY THAT IS AT THAT LEVEL.
10:41:31AM AND YOU SAID IT DID NOT INCLUDE THE ESCROW.
10:41:34AM >> IT DOES INCLUDE THE ESCROW.
10:41:35AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: I'M GLAD.
10:41:37AM SO MY QUESTION IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOWN PAYMENT,
10:41:41AM YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS, PUBLIC SPEAKERS HAVE SAID
10:41:44AM THAT MANY PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING ABOVE $15,000 DOWN PAYMENT.
10:41:49AM DO YOU PROVIDE HELP FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT AT ALL? OR IS THAT
10:41:52AM SOMETHING THAT ALSO HAS TO COME FROM OTHER SOURCES?
10:41:55AM >> SO IT'S A WAY OUR PROGRAM WORKS.
10:41:58AM HABITAT PROGRAM.
10:41:59AM WHAT THEY DO IS THEY DO SAVE DURING THE COURSE -- I DON'T
10:42:02AM KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR, THEY PUT SWEAT EQUITY, PUT SO AS
10:42:07AM PART OF THE PROCESS, WHEN THEY GET INTO THE PROGRAM, THEY
10:42:09AM SAY $2,000 BUT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL DOWN PAYMENT THAT'S
10:42:13AM NECESSARY.
10:42:14AM SO THEY ARE GOING IN.
10:42:16AM JUST ABOUT 100% FINANCED IN THE HOME AT ZERO PERCENT
10:42:19AM INTEREST.
10:42:20AM EVEN AT THAT IT'S ABOUT $700 AND I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF
10:42:25AM WHERE RENTALS ARE.
10:42:27AM TO TRY TO FIND A RENTAL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA YOU ARE LOOKING
10:42:30AM AT A THOUSAND PLUS.
10:42:33AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, I KNOW.
10:42:36AM WHEN IT COMES TO HABITAT HOMES, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE WHERE
10:42:40AM THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A DOWN PAYMENT.
10:42:42AM YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM SOME SWEAT EQUITY BUT THEY STILL
10:42:45AM HAVE TO HAVE THAT $2,000 SAVINGS IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD.
10:42:48AM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
10:42:48AM >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.
10:42:51AM >> BOARD ME. I HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM CITY STAFF AND THE
10:43:00AM COMMUNITY.
10:43:00AM I DON'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF SAID.
10:43:03AM >>FRANK REDDICK: YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF?
10:43:07AM >> YES, SIR.
10:43:09AM ORLANDO BOOTHS, CAC BOARD MEMBER.
10:43:14AM I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THAT BOARD JUST ABOUT A YEAR.
10:43:16AM SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT TRANSPIRED BEFORE I GOT HERE.
10:43:19AM AS I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD WITH, I COVERED SOME THINGS THAT
10:43:22AM I DON'T FEEL THAT IS RIGHT.
10:43:24AM I BELIEVE THE CURRENT BOARD WAS BAMBOOZLED NOT KNOWING, NOT
10:43:29AM UNDERSTANDING.
10:43:29AM THAT'S A PROBLEM.
10:43:30AM I BELIEVE THAT THE LOT WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- BUT IF WE
10:43:37AM HAVE THESE LOTS THAT VACANT AND AVAILABLE, I DON'T UPPER WHY
10:43:39AM THAT PROPOSAL WAS NOT MADE TO THE CAC BOARD SO WE CO-OBTAIN
10:43:44AM THOSE LOTS, VERSUS SOMEONE ELSE GETTING THE LOTS.
10:43:48AM I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:43:49AM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED TO THE BOARD THAT THESE LOTS
10:43:53AM WERE AVAILABLE SO WE COULD MAKE SOME ACQUISITIONS AND WE
10:43:57AM COULD BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD AND DO SOME THINGS IN EAST
10:44:00AM TAMPA.
10:44:03AM THE BOARD IN THE CITY OF EAST TAMPA, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR
10:44:10AM ME.
10:44:15AM THAT'S A VERY HUGE CONCERN.
10:44:18AM AND THE PROCESS, THE PLAN AT THE TABLE, REQUESTING ABOUT THE
10:44:21AM LOTS.
10:44:24AM PULLED THE PAPERS BACK AND SAID THAT'S THE WRONG FORM OF
10:44:27AM LOT.
10:44:28AM WE NEVER GOT A FULL DISCLOSURE OF WHAT LOTS WOULD BE
10:44:31AM UTILIZED AND ESPECIALLY AT THAT LOCATION.
10:44:34AM BE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE GOT BUILDING GOING ON.
10:44:38AM BEFORE THAT, DOMAIN HAD A SPECIAL LAND USE PERSON.
10:44:42AM I COME INTO A ROOM.
10:44:45AM A MAN SITTING AT THE TABLE.
10:44:46AM I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:44:48AM I ASKED A QUESTION.
10:44:49AM AND HE SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME, THEY WANT A PROJECT THAT WOULD
10:44:55AM NOT BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND I ASKED THEM, COULD WE HAVE A
10:44:58AM WORKSHOP SO WE CAN GET SOME DETAILED EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S
10:45:00AM GOING ON?
10:45:01AM AND THOSE TWO GENTLEMEN GUARANTEED, WE SPENT SOME MONEY, BUT
10:45:07AM WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU.
10:45:09AM AND I TOOK THAT BACK TO MY COMMUNITY AND SAID TO TRY TO
10:45:15AM FIGURE OUT THIS MESS.
10:45:27AM I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOW WE HAVE COMPETENT
10:45:31AM PEOPLE ON OUR CAC BOARD WHO UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT, WHO
10:45:34AM UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS, WHO CAN READ, WHO CAN WRITE, AND
10:45:39AM SEE TO GET THINGS MOVING.
10:45:41AM BUT WE NEED TO BE MOVING FAST.
10:45:43AM I DON'T KNOW IF THE TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION.
10:45:45AM IT MIGHT HAVE.
10:45:47AM BUT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED
10:45:49AM BECAUSE WE HAVE NO -- IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BE A COUNCIL OR
10:45:54AM MAYOR CANDIDATE, WE NEED PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE
10:46:00AM NOT AT THE BACK OF THE LINE ANYMORE.
10:46:03AM THERE'S NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NO ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT.
10:46:06AM THANK YOU.
10:46:06AM >> MENTEZMAT.
10:46:15AM YOU CAN CALL ME MISTER EAST TAMPA.
10:46:20AM MISTER BUILT HIS OWN HOME WITH HIS OWN MONEY.
10:46:24AM NOT ONE PENNY FROM THE CITY.
10:46:29AM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MONEY.
10:46:31AM 22ND AND MARTIN LUTHER KING.
10:46:32AM WHILE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS GOING DOWN, MY FAMILY AND MYSELF
10:46:36AM INDEPENDENTLY TRIED TO TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP.
10:46:41AM AND WHAT DO WE GET FROM THE CITY?
10:46:45AM HARASSMENT IN THE WORST WAY.
10:46:49AM EVERYTHING SINCE I HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BOY -- I'M 62 YEARS OF
10:46:52AM AGE, AND EVERYTHING SINCE I HAVE BEEN A LITTLE CHILD IN THIS
10:46:55AM CITY IN REFERENCE TO AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN A SCAM.
10:47:02AM CENTRAL PARK, A SCAM.
10:47:03AM WEST TAMPA, A SCAM.
10:47:06AM YOU KNOW WHAT THEY USED TO HAVE US DOING AS A KID WITH MY
10:47:08AM PARENTS?
10:47:09AM COMING RIGHT DOWNTOWN HERE, LINING UP, HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS
10:47:13AM AND HUNDREDS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE, TRYING TO LINE UP TO GET --
10:47:23AM THAT YOU CAN PAY A DOLLAR FOR A HOME WAY BACK THEN, MAYOR
10:47:31AM POE DAYS AND MAYOR GRECO DAYS.
10:47:36AM NOW THEY GOT A SCAM TO HAVE APPEASE A FEW AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:47:40AM UNCLE TOMS.
10:47:41AM THAT'S WHAT WE CALL THEM.
10:47:45AM AUNT JEMINA.
10:47:47AM TO APPEASE THEM WHILE THEY CONTINUE WITH THE SAME SCAM OF
10:47:50AM GENTRIFYING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:47:51AM THE SAME SCAM OF GENTRIFYING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:47:56AM THEY ARE NOT AFFORDABLE HOMES.
10:47:57AM THEY ARE PUTTING HOMES -- HOW MANY BLACK PEOPLE GO TO THE
10:48:03AM LIBRARY?
10:48:04AM SO CHECK IT OUT.
10:48:08AM $37 MILLION RIVERFRONT PARK.
10:48:11AM AND WHITE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH WEST TAMPA.
10:48:14AM I WAS RAISED IN WEST TAMPA.
10:48:16AM WHITE PEOPLE WALK THROUGH WEST TAMPA LIKE THEY OWN WEST
10:48:19AM TAMPA.
10:48:19AM LIKE THEY OWN IT.
10:48:20AM AND OF IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EAST TAMPA, FROM THE WEST SIDE TO
10:48:24AM THE EAST SIDE.
10:48:25AM WHITE PEOPLE -- CAN'T RIDE BICYCLES.
10:48:31AM AND IT'S A PROBLEM WHEN YOU SEE IT'S NOTHING FOR US.
10:48:40AM IT'S NOTHING FOR OUR CHILDREN.
10:48:42AM IT'S NOTHING FOR OUR PARENTS.
10:48:44AM IT'S NOTHING FOR OUR GRANDPARENTS.
10:48:45AM IT'S NOTHING FOR NOBODY.
10:48:47AM IT'S NOTHING FOR BLACK BUSINESSES SINCE THE COUNTY RAYED A
10:48:54AM GOOD POINT.
10:48:55AM YOU CAN'T EACH GET A BLACK BUSINESS TO COME UP HERE AND GET
10:48:58AM AN AWARD.
10:48:59AM AND REVEREND SIMPSON RAISED A GOOD POINT.
10:49:04AM YOU ALL HAVE SOME KIND OF GOOD LOOKING THINGS GOING ON WITH
10:49:09AM GOOD LOOKING PEOPLE.
10:49:10AM THE REVEREND SAID WHY CAN'T I HAVE MORE TIME?
10:49:13AM BUT YOU ALL HAVE NO QUESTIONS, NO NOTHING BUT HATE FOR BLACK
10:49:16AM PEOPLE.
10:49:16AM AND YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE WHITE LADY, AND VERY
10:49:23AM RESPECTABLE INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY.
10:49:24AM >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW SOME OF THESE ACTS SO I AM
10:49:37AM JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT I DO BEST AND START.
10:49:42AM MICHELLE WILLIAMS AGAIN.
10:49:44AM GROWTH IS ALWAYS DISRUPTIVE.
10:49:48AM SO I AM NOT HERE TO SUPPORT THIS BOARD OR ANYONE IN THIS
10:49:52AM AUDIENCE TO MAKE ANYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE BY MEMBERS THAT
10:49:57AM CAME BEFORE YOU, COUNCILMAN REDDICK BEING THE CHAIRMAN AND
10:49:59AM TO THIS PRESTIGIOUS BOARD OF CITY COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN.
10:50:04AM WHAT I DO KNOW THAT A FULL-BLOWN INVESTIGATION WITH DOMAIN
10:50:08AM HOMES AND ED JOHNSON NEEDS TO HAPPEN YESTERDAY.
10:50:13AM I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE KEY THE SHERIFF OR TPD AND
10:50:18AM GO OUT AND DO THESE.
10:50:19AM I'M TALKING ABOUT A FEDERAL, A FULL-BLOWN FEDERAL
10:50:22AM INVESTIGATION WITH STEEL HANDCUFFS SO PEOPLE CAN GO TO JAIL.
10:50:27AM YOU KNOW, MY GRANDMOTHER ALWAYS SAY THAT HOUSE CLEANERS COME
10:50:33AM IN DIFFERENT FORMS.
10:50:34AM SO YOU KNOW I LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO EAST TAMPA AND TO
10:50:37AM THE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:50:39AM SO YOU KNOW NOW WHEN YOU GO INTO THE FAMILY DOLLAR STORY,
10:50:42AM INTO THE DOLLAR TREE, BLEACH COME WITH DIFFERENT FLAVORS
10:50:46AM NOW, LEMON SCENT, LAVENDER, FLOWER BLOSSOM BUT IT ALL DO THE
10:50:52AM SAME THING, REMOVE STAINS.
10:50:53AM AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OUR CO-OP BLEACH HAS BEEN DOING TO
10:50:56AM EAST TAMPA.
10:50:56AM IT'S INTENSIFYING THE BLACK RACE.
10:51:00AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:51:01AM LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
10:51:02AM YOU KNOW WHAT A VAGABOND IS?
10:51:04AM A PERSON WHO BEGS FOR BREAD.
10:51:08AM I HAVE ALWAYS SAID SINCE DAY ONE, SINCE DAY ONE, I WOULD
10:51:13AM RATHER DIE WITH A BULLET TO MY HEART THAN ON MY KNEES
10:51:18AM BEGGING ANYBODY FOR BREAD.
10:51:19AM AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OF THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY KEEPS
10:51:21AM COMING DOWN HERE SAYING TO THIS BOARD, THE BLCC, COMMUNITY
10:51:29AM MEETING, TOWN HALL MEETINGS, BEGGING FOR BREAD.
10:51:32AM YOU ALL NOTCH THE PROBLEM.
10:51:34AM YOU HAVE FAILED TO ADDRESS IT BECAUSE YOU MADE YOUR POCKETS
10:51:37AM SO COMFORTABLE.
10:51:38AM YOU USED TO BE GOOD PEOPLE.
10:51:43AM YOU USED TO BE DAMN GOOD PEOPLE UNTIL YOU LET CONSUMPTION
10:51:46AM GET TO YOU.
10:51:48AM YOU LET NEPOTISM GET TO YOU.
10:51:51AM YOU LET PEOPLE LIKE ED JOHNSON GET TO YOU WITH LIES AND
10:51:54AM DOMAIN HOMES GET TO YOU WITH LIES.
10:51:56AM AND RON GILDER WHO WORKS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL -- FOR THE
10:52:01AM EAST TAMPA LIES.
10:52:04AM I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CONNECTION IS.
10:52:05AM COUNCILMAN REDDICK, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO INVESTIGATE.
10:52:08AM HOW MANY LOTS HAS RON GILDER GIVEN TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT
10:52:12AM DEPARTMENT, WHERE THESE CITIZENS CAN PAY THESE HOMES AND
10:52:17AM THEN THE CITY CAME UP AND BOUGHT THEM HOMES AND THOSE LOTS.
10:52:20AM THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO BE INVESTIGATING, COUNCILMAN
10:52:22AM REDDICK.
10:52:23AM AND I GUARANTEE YOU GOING TO FIND AN ACE IN THE HOLE.
10:52:26AM MY GREAT GRANDMA SAID --
10:52:43AM VICTORIA HUFF.
10:52:44AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF EAST TAMPA.
10:52:45AM I LIVE IN EAST TAMPA.
10:52:47AM I REFUSE TO MOVE OUT OF EAST TAMPA.
10:52:49AM I HAVE DEVELOPED A PROGRAM OF THAT CAN PROVIDE REALLY TRULY
10:52:55AM AFFORDABLE HOUSES WHERE YOU DON'T NEED DOWN PAYMENT
10:52:57AM ASSISTANCE BUT IT TRULY AFFORDABLE.
10:52:59AM I LIVE IN EAST TAMPA.
10:53:00AM I NOTCH WHAT EAST TAMPA NEEDS.
10:53:02AM AND I PROVIDED THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OUR FIRST
10:53:09AM GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY WITH THE YOUNG LADY OUTSIDE TO HAVE
10:53:11AM BEEN SHOW YOU WHAT REALLY TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AND
10:53:15AM IT'S NOT WHAT DOMAIN HOMES IS ABOUT.
10:53:16AM >>FRANK REDDICK: EXCUSE ME.
10:53:18AM >> 501(C)3 GENERAL HOUSING.
10:53:28AM I AM A GENERAL CONTRACTOR SO I DO KNOW THE TRUE COST AND
10:53:31AM IT'S NOT WHAT DOMAIN HOMES IS PROVIDING.
10:53:33AM >>FRANK REDDICK: HAVE YOU EVER SPOKEN TO THE EAST TAMPA
10:53:36AM PARTNERSHIP?
10:53:38AM >> NO, SIR, I DID NOT.
10:53:39AM I DID EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE OWN.
10:53:41AM >> HISTORICALLY, I WAS APPOINTED BY MEMBERS UP THERE WHO
10:54:04AM SERVE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
10:54:06AM >>FRANK REDDICK: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:54:07AM >> ED VEAL.
10:54:10AM I WAS INVOLVED WITH TO A FORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE BEFORE
10:54:15AM VANESSA WAS HIRED.
10:54:18AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS NOT BEING ADDRESSED AT ALL.
10:54:21AM WE WILL ONLY MET ONCE A YEAR SO THAT WE COULD GET ALL THE
10:54:24AM FUNDING FROM THE GOVERNMENT, AND WE COULD RUBBER STAMP WHAT
10:54:27AM THE CITY WANTED.
10:54:28AM THANKS TO VANESSA AND HER WISDOM, SHE AT LEAST MOTIVATED AND
10:54:34AM GOT BE -- I DIDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE.
10:54:37AM AS I SAT ON THIS BOARD I WILL TELL YOU EVERY ONE OF THESE
10:54:39AM CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHY DIDN'T WE KEEP
10:54:42AM SMALL BUILDERS INVOLVED, WHY DIDN'T WE KEEP MORE COMMUNITIES
10:54:46AM INVOLVED?
10:54:46AM ALL THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
10:54:49AM BUT THE MISSION THAT THE BOARD, NOT THE INDIVIDUALLY, THE
10:54:52AM BOARD DECIDED WAS WE NEEDED AS MUCH MASS PRODUCTION AS
10:54:57AM POSSIBLE AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WAS TO DEAL WITH LENNAR
10:55:00AM OR DOMAIN.
10:55:01AM DOMAIN ANSWERED OUR RFP.
10:55:04AM THAT'S ALL THEY DID.
10:55:05AM THEY DID -- AS A REALTOR AND BUILDER, WE BUILT THAT IN
10:55:11AM NUMBERS.
10:55:11AM OKAY?
10:55:12AM THE AFFORDABLE IS REALLY GOING TO BE WHAT THE INCOMES THAT
10:55:16AM ARE BEING GENERATED THROUGH THE FEDERAL FUNDS TO ALLOW
10:55:19AM PEOPLE THAT CAN AFFORD A HIGH WAGE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD.
10:55:24AM YET THAT WAS MY REASON FOR ARGUING YOU SHOULD GIVE IT TO THE
10:55:28AM INDIVIDUAL.
10:55:32AM WE WANTED SOMETHING TO GO OUT.
10:55:34AM IT WAS DECIDED BY THE BOARD, NO, WE WANTED TO DO IT EN MASS.
10:55:39AM SO NOBODY DID ANYTHING IN COLLUSION.
10:55:42AM EVERYBODY MAKES A DECISION ON BUSINESS PRACTICE.
10:55:44AM NUMBERS SPEAK TO THE TRUTH.
10:55:45AM SO I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S FIGHT BUT AS A FORMER MEMBER OF
10:55:50AM THIS BOARD APPOINTED BY YOU ALL YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, A
10:55:53AM LOT OF DECISIONS WERE MADE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL, AND THE
10:55:56AM BEST EQUALITY.
10:55:58AM SO THERE WAS NO COLLUSION.
10:55:59AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
10:56:01AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:56:02AM >> MY NAME IS JERRY NEELEY, CLERGY.
10:56:10AM I'M JUST CLEAR THAT BUSINESS IS BUSINESS.
10:56:16AM AND IT'S APPARENT THAT THIS IS THE BUSINESS OF DOING
10:56:24AM BUSINESS.
10:56:25AM AND SO EVERYBODY IS MAKING A PROFIT EXCEPT OUR COMMUNITY.
10:56:38AM MAYBE WE HAVE PUT OUR CAPITAL TOGETHER.
10:56:41AM AND SO I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
10:56:45AM BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION.
10:56:46AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
10:56:50AM ANYONE ELSE GOING TO SPEAK?
10:56:54AM DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF DOMAIN HOMES HERE?
10:56:57AM DO YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING THEY SAID?
10:57:00AM >> KEVIN ROBY, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF DOMAIN HOMES.
10:57:20AM >>FRANK REDDICK: GO AHEAD.
10:57:24AM >> OKAY.
10:57:26AM NO, I THINK IT WAS ARTICULATED FAIRLY WELL, SOME OF THE
10:57:32AM COMMENTS THAT WERE HEARD WERE A BIT HURTFUL, BUT, YOU KNOW,
10:57:37AM I UNDERSTAND THE OPEN FORUM OF HAVING SOME OF THESE MEETINGS
10:57:42AM OUT HERE.
10:57:43AM I DO WANT TO ARTICULATE ONE ITEM THAT WAS MISSED.
10:57:48AM AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO BRING INTO THE RECORD, OUR PROPOSAL
10:57:52AM TO HCD.
10:57:54AM IT'S 642 PINELLAS.
10:57:57AM I HAVE A COPY.
10:57:59AM I WILL HAND IT OVER TO THE CLERK OR TO THE ATTORNEY
10:58:02AM MOMENTARILY.
10:58:03AM THERE WAS DURING THE OPEN RECORD PERIOD, THERE IS A
10:58:07AM MANDATORY WORKSHOP THAT IS REQUIRED WHEN YOU DO THESE TYPES
10:58:10AM OF THINGS.
10:58:13AM THE ATTENDANCE BY MEMORY WAS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 38 OR 50
10:58:18AM INDIVIDUALS THAT OBVIOUSLY KNEW THAT THIS PROPOSAL WAS BEING
10:58:22AM PLACED FORWARD.
10:58:23AM ADDITIONALLY, DURING THE OPEN RECORD PERIOD WHERE HCD GOES
10:58:29AM INTO A CONE OF SILENCE AND EVERYTHING IS COMMUNICATED VIA
10:58:34AM E-MAIL THROUGH A PORTAL AND ALL PARTICIPANTS OF THE
10:58:37AM MANDATORY WORKSHOP ARE TO READ ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE
10:58:43AM ASKED, VIA E-MAIL, AND ANSWERED VIA E-MAIL.
10:58:47AM THERE WERE QUESTIONS DURING THAT PERIOD OF CONE OF SILENCE
10:58:52AM WHERE MANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE WORKSHOP SAID, CAN WE
10:58:57AM GATHER AS A GROUP AND ASSUME A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT UNDER
10:59:03AM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HCD?
10:59:06AM UNDERSTOOD THE PROPOSAL.
10:59:09AM THE RESPONSE WAS, YES, YOU CAN.
10:59:12AM SO ANYBODY WHO HAD FELT THAT THERE WAS NOT A THRESHOLD OF,
10:59:19AM IN THE PAST WHO HAVE PRODUCED 35 HOUSES, COULD
10:59:23AM COLLABORATIVELY COME TOGETHER AND MEET THAT MINIMUM
10:59:26AM THRESHOLD, AND THAT WAS ARTICULATED TO ALL PARTIES WITHIN
10:59:32AM THAT CONE OF SILENCE.
10:59:33AM FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND GOT TO WORK THE STUFF BEHIND THE
10:59:40AM SCENES.
10:59:40AM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE THE ONLY PARTY THAT SUBMITTED
10:59:45AM A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, AND SUBSEQUENTLY AGREED WITH THE
10:59:50AM CITY TO A DEVELOPER'S CONTRACT.
10:59:54AM I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARTICULATED SO OF THE MONEYS ON THE
11:00:00AM AFFORDABILITY SIDE.
11:00:02AM UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO HURRICANE FORTIFICATION, REGULATIONS,
11:00:08AM GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, LIKE SAFETY CODE, IT TAKES THAT MUCH
11:00:12AM MONEY TO BUILD A HOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY.
11:00:14AM I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD TWICE AS MANY FOR HALF THE PRICE BUT
11:00:17AM THOSE ARE THE REALITIES OF THE MARKET.
11:00:20AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
11:00:23AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: MR. ROBLES, YOU TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT
11:00:30AM THEY HAD TO HAVE 35 HOMES BUILT WITHIN THE CITY.
11:00:33AM I GUESS WITHIN A 12-MONTH PERIOD.
11:00:36AM I DID NOT SEE THE DEPARTMENT CONTRACT BUT THAT'S NEITHER
11:00:40AM HERE NOR THERE.
11:00:41AM IT'S PART OF THE PROPOSAL I ASSUME AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOTE
11:00:44AM IN MY PACKAGE HERE.
11:00:45AM YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU COLLABORATED WITH THE CDC OF TAMPA
11:00:48AM AND WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR THEM TO MEET THAT
11:00:50AM REQUIREMENT.
11:00:51AM IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
11:00:52AM >> NO.
11:00:52AM THEY WERE BROUGHT IN.
11:00:54AM IT WAS ENCOURAGED IN THE WRITTEN REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT
11:01:05AM NOT PROFITS BE INCLUDED IN THIS PROGRAM BY SOME FASHION.
11:01:08AM AND DOMAIN HOMES SELECTED TO BRING IN HABITAT BECAUSE THEY
11:01:14AM CAN ONLY SERVICE THE UNDERSTOOD 80% AMI WHICH GAVE THE
11:01:18AM PROGRAM A MUCH WIDER ACCESS TO A WIDER VARIETY OF FOLKS.
11:01:25AM SO THEY CAN ONLY SERVICE UP TO 80%.
11:01:29AM THE CDC OF TAMPA IS A VERY WELL ENTRENCHED NONPROFIT THAT
11:01:35AM HAS WORKED CONTINUALLY IN EAST TAMPA, AND BY MY JUDGMENT,
11:01:42AM THAT'S ONLY MY JUDGMENT, HAS DONE EXTRAORDINARY WORK WITHIN
11:01:45AM EAST TAMPA FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS.
11:01:48AM THAT WAS THE OTHER REASON THAT WE CHOSE THAT ORGANIZATION.
11:01:51AM AND BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT NONPROFIT, THEY CAN DO THINGS THAT
11:01:56AM A FOR-PROFIT BUILDER COULD NOT DO.
11:01:59AM AND ADDITIONALLY -- ADDITIONALLY HAVE ACCESS TO OTHER
11:02:02AM PROGRAMS THAT IS MORE ALL INCLUSIVE.
11:02:04AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO PICK ANY OTHER
11:02:08AM BUILDERS.
11:02:09AM SO AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY THAT CAME HERE AND
11:02:13AM SAID SHE'S BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN EAST TAMPA.
11:02:16AM THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT POSSIBLY YOU COULD WORK WITH.
11:02:18AM IS THAT CORRECT?
11:02:19AM >> OH, SURE.
11:02:21AM I'M AWARE OF HOP THAT PERSON IS.
11:02:23AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: SHE WAS HERE IN THE EARLIER AND IN THE
11:02:25AM AUDIENCE.
11:02:26AM YOU MAY -- SHE'S IN THE BACK.
11:02:27AM RAISE YOUR HAND AGAIN, PLEASE.
11:02:29AM SHE'S RIGHT BACK THERE.
11:02:30AM DO YOU MIND TALKING TO HER AND FINDING OUT IF MAYBE SHE CAN
11:02:33AM BE ONE OF THE BUILDERS AS PART OF THAT?
11:02:35AM >> SHE CAN'T ON THIS AGREEMENT.
11:02:37AM THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SIGNED BY --
11:02:40AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: WELL, YOU CAN ALWAYS AMEND IT.
11:02:42AM >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:02:44AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO OPEN UP A DIALOGUE.
11:02:45AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: IF YOU DON'T MIND DOING THAT I THINK IT'S
11:02:48AM IMPORTANT.
11:02:49AM PLUS YOU KNOW REVEREND DIXON WHO WAS HERE.
11:02:53AM AND I SEE HIM NOW.
11:02:56AM HE HAS SOME EXPERIENCE, TOO.
11:02:57AM YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO HIM.
11:02:59AM BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAD 50 DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT CAME
11:03:03AM IN TOE LOOK AT THE REQUEST IN A PREAGREEMENT MEETING WHICH
11:03:11AM IS DONE CONSTANTLY.
11:03:13AM BUT IT SOUND LIKE NONE OF THOSE FOLKS WERE INVOLVED AND
11:03:15AM THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.
11:03:17AM >> CDC WAS AT THAT MEETING AS WELL AS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
11:03:21AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THOSE TWO GROUPS WERE BUT I'M SAYING OTHER
11:03:24AM GROUPS.
11:03:25AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:03:26AM >>FRANK REDDICK: THANK YOU.
11:03:27AM OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:03:28AM >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:03:29AM I APPRECIATE IT.
11:03:30AM >> THANK YOU.
11:03:31AM ALL RIGHT.
11:03:31AM LET ME JUST SAY THIS BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT.
11:03:34AM AND THAT IS TO THOSE WHO SPOKE THIS MORNING, I UNDERSTAND
11:03:41AM YOUR PASSION.
11:03:43AM I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR FRUSTRATION.
11:03:46AM AND I JUST HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE WILL BE BETTER
11:03:55AM COORDINATION BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS OF EAST TAMPA, WEST
11:03:57AM TAMPA, WIMAUMA, WHEREVER, FROM THE CITY AND OTHER PLACES
11:04:05AM THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND WHAT WE HAVE WITNESSED IN EAST
11:04:08AM TAMPA.
11:04:11AM I THINK IT'S A DISGRACE.
11:04:13AM SO I JUST HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE TOP SPEAK OUT, YOU CONTINUE
11:04:20AM TO MAKE YOUR VOICES KNOWN, AND YOUR CONCERNS KNOWN, SO THAT
11:04:26AM WE WON'T BE IN THIS SITUATION IN THE FUTURE.
11:04:29AM SO I THANK YOU ALL.
11:04:31AM THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
11:04:33AM I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
11:04:37AM ALL RIGHT.
11:04:40AM WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:04:43AM ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:04:44AM >>HARRY COHEN: UNLIKE THE ISSUE THAT WE JUST DEALT WITH,
11:04:52AM WHICH IS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT ALREADY TOOK PLACE IN A
11:04:54AM CONTRACT THAT ALREADY EXISTS, THIS WORKSHOP IS ABOUT HOUSING
11:05:00AM OPTIONS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO
11:05:04AM INVEST IN IN THE FUTURE, WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE
11:05:07AM RETHINK OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES AND RETHINK WHAT HOUSING
11:05:11AM OPPORTUNITIES EXIST IN ORDER TO MEET SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT
11:05:16AM WERE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
11:05:17AM AND I WANT TO QUOTE A TAMPA BAY BUSINESS JOURNAL ARTICLE
11:05:21AM THAT JUST CAME OUT YESTERDAY.
11:05:24AM AND IT RELATE TO THE SHIPPING CONTAINER DISCUSSION THAT WE
11:05:26AM ARE ABOUT TO HAVE.
11:05:28AM QUOTE.
11:05:29AM SHIPPING CONTAINERS HAVE BEEN REINVENTED AS MODULAR HOUSING
11:05:32AM IN CITIES ACROSS THE U.S.
11:05:34AM TYPICALLY IN PLACES WHERE LAND AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE SO
11:05:38AM EXORBITANT THAT IT IS CREATED AND AFFORDABILITY CRISIS.
11:05:43AM MY VIEW IS THINGS LIKE THIS, THINGS LIKE TINY HOUSES, THINGS
11:05:47AM LIKE RETHINKING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS IS THE WAY
11:05:52AM THAT WE CAN START TO MOVE TOWARD NEW HOUSING IDEAS.
11:05:55AM AND I HOPE THIS DIALOGUE WILL BE POSITIVE AND FORWARD
11:06:01AM THINKING BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES ARE EMBRACING SOME OF THESE
11:06:04AM NEW IDEAS.
11:06:05AM >>THOM SNELLING: PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
11:06:13AM WHAT COUNCILMAN COHEN SAID.
11:06:18AM WOULD YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT UP THE POWER POINT FOR ME?
11:06:25AM BEFORE I GET STARTED WITH THE POWER POINT, WHEN WE FIRST HAD
11:06:30AM THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE WEEKS BACK, ONE OF THE THINGS
11:06:33AM THAT I TALKED ABOUT, SHIPPING CONTAINERS, WERE BASICALLY
11:06:38AM JUST THE MATERIAL, THAT PEOPLE, LIKE COUNCILMAN COHEN SAID,
11:06:42AM ARE STARTING TO REDISCOVER IT IN A MUCH MORE READAPTIVE USE
11:06:46AM OF IT AND BY THE NATURE OF WHAT IT WAS LENDS FORTH AND
11:06:50AM ELEMENT OF AFFORDABILITY.
11:06:51AM AT SOME POINT I HAVE INVITED SUN DOG, THE COMPANY WHO IS
11:06:57AM BUILDING WITH SHIPPING CONTAINERS.
11:06:58AM WE ARE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, TALK ABOUT
11:07:03AM SOME OF THE AFFORDABILITY OPTIONS, BOTH COMMERCIAL AND
11:07:09AM CONSTRUCTION.
11:07:10AM AND AT MY REQUEST, I ASK THAT YOU KIND OF EXPAND THIS TO
11:07:15AM KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TINY HOUSES, TINY HOMES.
11:07:20AM AND COMING AT US FOR A LONG TIME TO EMBRACE THE TINY HOMES.
11:07:30AM >>HARRY COHEN: I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, MR. SNELLING, IT
11:07:34AM DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ON HERE BUT I KNOW WE ALSO WANT TO TALK
11:07:37AM ABOUT MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
11:07:38AM I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT LEFT OFF THE AGENDA.
11:07:41AM BUT THAT WAS DEFINITELY ALSO PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
11:07:44AM >>THOM SNELLING: THE PARKING, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AS IT
11:07:52AM RELATES TO --
11:07:53AM >>HARRY COHEN: I JUST MEAN BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEALT WITH
11:07:55AM SEPARATELY.
11:07:56AM WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP AS WELL.
11:07:59AM YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU ARE DONE WITH THE TINY HOUSE
11:08:02AM AND CONTAINER HOUSING PORTION.
11:08:04AM BUT THAT WAS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION EVEN
11:08:08AM THOUGH IT'S SEPARATE.
11:08:08AM >>THOM SNELLING: OKAY.
11:08:11AM I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT THE BEST I CAN.
11:08:19AM LORETTA?
11:08:32AM AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, TINY HOUSES HAVE A NUMBER OF
11:08:36AM ADVANTAGES.
11:08:38AM THEY ARE ENVIRONMENTALLY POSITIVE THING, THEY ARE LOW
11:08:42AM MAINTENANCE IN COST, THERE'S ALSO A SOCIAL ELEMENT TO THIS.
11:08:49AM >> TINY HOUSE.
11:08:50AM 400 SQUARE FEET.
11:08:53AM >>THOM SNELLING: I HAVE INFORMATION COMING UP.
11:08:54AM YES, ANYTHING THAT THEY CONSIDER 400 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
11:08:58AM I SUPPOSE SOMEBODY PUT A 500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, IT WOULD
11:09:03AM STILL BE CONSIDERED A TINY HOUSE.
11:09:05AM I THINK THE DEFINITION KIND OF FLOATS.
11:09:06AM BUT THAT PHRASEOLOGY IS KIND OF ADAPTED AND DEFINED
11:09:10AM INITIALLY BY PEOPLE WHO DEFINE AS A 400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE OR
11:09:16AM LESS.
11:09:17AM AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GERMANE TO OUR
11:09:20AM CONVERSATION IS IT PROMOTES CONSERVATION, AND BY THE NATURE
11:09:26AM OF THAT, SOME OF THE HOUSES, JUST FOR THE HOUSE, COME ACROSS
11:09:31AM THAT AND BUILT FOR 8,000 UP TO 20,000.
11:09:39AM SO THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD RANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE
11:09:42AM BUILDING THEM OUT OF AND HOW BIG THEY ARE AND THE AREA OF
11:09:44AM THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF INSULATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF
11:09:48AM THAT ALL ADDS TO THE COST.
11:09:52AM I AM GOING TO ASK MARVIN, MY BUILDING OFFICIAL, TO COME UP
11:09:55AM AND TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES
11:09:57AM BETWEEN SITE BUILT MOBILE HOMES AND MODULAR HOMES.
11:10:01AM AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT
11:10:04AM DISTINCTION TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE
11:10:09AM WITH COMMUNITIES EMBRACING THAT, IS THAT HOUSES ON TRAILERS
11:10:14AM ARE CONSIDERED TRAILER PARKS AND MOST COMMUNITIES, THE
11:10:18AM INCLUDED, WE ARE NOT PERMITTING NEW TRAILER PARKS BY
11:10:20AM DEFINITION.
11:10:21AM A TINY HOUSE OR BIG HOUSE ON A TRAILER, ON WHEELS, HAVE TO
11:10:26AM GO IN A MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH WE ARE NOT PERMITTING MORE
11:10:29AM OF THOSE, AND GO INTO ONE THAT EXISTS.
11:10:32AM BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN MOBILE HOME PARK OR TINY HOME
11:10:35AM PARK YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY COME IN AND REDO THAT AS PLANNED
11:10:39AM DEVELOPMENT.
11:10:39AM >> GOOD MORNING. MARVIN DRAGDEN.
11:10:48AM BASICALLY THE TERMINOLOGY TINY HOME, TINY HOUSE, ALSO
11:10:51AM CONTAINERS AS WELL.
11:10:53AM IT'S KIND OF LIKE A DEFINITION OF SAYING 400 SQUARE FEET,
11:10:58AM FOR EXAMPLE, HAS COME OUT IN ICC THIS PAST YEAR AS A
11:11:01AM DEFINITION.
11:11:03AM INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL THERE, LIKE THE CODE FOR
11:11:06AM BASICALLY THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
11:11:07AM SO THEY ARE STARTING TO DEFINE THESE RULES THAT WE APPLY TO
11:11:12AM TINY HOUSES.
11:11:13AM BUT REALLY WE CAN APPLY THE CODE TO ANY STRUCTURE TO A
11:11:17AM CONTAINER TO A CODE OR TINY HOME.
11:11:23AM YOU CAN HAVE A TINY HOME AND SO THEY ARE ALL STRUCTURED.
11:11:28AM THAT'S HOW WE WOULD APPLY THE CODE TO THEM.
11:11:30AM ALSO THERE'S THE MODULAR MANUFACTURED COMPONENT TO IT SO
11:11:34AM THEY CAN BUILD THEM IN A FACTORY, WHICH IS DOES IT BOTH WAYS
11:11:41AM SO WE KIND OF WORKED OUT SOME DOCUMENT TO BUILD THE
11:11:45AM STRUCTURE TO HELP THEM DO IT.
11:11:46AM IN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN COME IN AND APPLY THE CODE TO
11:11:49AM IT, AND IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE EITHER AS A MODULAR OR
11:11:55AM AS A SITE-BUILT CONSTRUCTER FOR CONTAINERS AND THAT CAN BE
11:12:00AM ANY SIZE.
11:12:01AM SO THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THIS.
11:12:04AM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS SECTION OF IT, THE
11:12:06AM DEFINITION OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES?
11:12:07AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD.
11:12:18AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM CONCERNED WITH, AND MAYBE IT'S
11:12:21AM PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION, IS WIND RESISTANCE AND HIGH
11:12:25AM HAZARD AREAS.
11:12:25AM >> YES, IT'S COMBING UP IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
11:12:28AM AND I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED THAT IN THE INFORMATION FOR HOW THE
11:12:32AM CODE APPLIES.
11:12:34AM THERE'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS THERE.
11:12:35AM THERE'S THE CONTAINER, AND THEN THE MINIMUM STANDARD OF
11:12:38AM CONSTRUCTION FOR ANY STRUCTURE THAT WE BUILT.
11:12:40AM EVEN IF IT WENT DOWN TO 200 SQUARE FEET.
11:12:43AM SO YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENT THINGS, IF IT'S MOBILE, IT HAS
11:12:49AM WHEELS.
11:12:50AM SO THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IN OUR ZONING CODE TO PUT A
11:12:56AM MOBILE HOME PARK IN WITHIN GOING THROUGHOUT THROUGH AND
11:13:00AM HAVING A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND SO FORTH.
11:13:04AM SO YOU WILL SEE THERE'S MINIMUM ROOM SIZES, CEILING HEIGHT.
11:13:08AM YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE MINIMUMS.
11:13:12AM THEY HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE.
11:13:14AM BUT THIS BASICALLY APPLIES TO ANY STRUCTURE.
11:13:16AM SO IF THEY DID BUILD A TINY HOUSE BY DEFINITION, 250 SQUARE
11:13:19AM FEET, WE WOULD JUST APPLY THE CODE TO THEM.
11:13:23AM THEY CAN GO AND BUY A LOT AND PUT A TINY HOME ON IT RIGHT
11:13:26AM NOW.
11:13:26AM >>HARRY COHEN: I THINK PART OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS GOING TO
11:13:32AM BE ABOUT THE DENSITY ISSUES AND THE FACT THAT THE LAND IS SO
11:13:35AM EXPENSIVE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.
11:13:38AM MULTIPLE DWELLINGS ON A PROPERTY.
11:13:41AM I'M SURE WE'LL GET TO THAT.
11:13:43AM >> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME ARE?
11:13:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, YOU TALK ABOUT A TINE HOME CANNOT
11:13:54AM HAVE WHEELS, RIGHT ARE?
11:13:56AM >> WELL, I MEAN, IT CAN BUT IT A MOBILE HOME THEN.
11:13:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, YOU CAN.
11:14:00AM BUT WHEN IT'S DELIVERED TO THE SITE THEY CAN TAKE THE WHEELS
11:14:02AM OFF.
11:14:03AM IS IT A TINY HOUSE?
11:14:04AM >> IT'S STILL A MOBILE HOME UNLESS WE DEVELOP IT AS A
11:14:07AM MODULAR, AND I IT HAS A SITE-BUILT, ATTACHING TO A
11:14:11AM FOUNDATION, AND IT'S PERMANENT IN NATURE, THEN THAT WOULD BE
11:14:15AM MODULAR.
11:14:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU CANNOT DELIVER A
11:14:19AM TINY HOUSE TO ANY LOT IF IT HAS WHEELS.
11:14:21AM YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT ON-SITE?
11:14:23AM >> WELL, IF IT HAS WHEELS AND IT HAS A PERMANENTLY ATTACHED
11:14:27AM AXLE --
11:14:28AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DIDN'T SAY.
11:14:29AM THAT YOU CAN TAKE THEM OFF.
11:14:30AM >> YES, YOU CAN --
11:14:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU CAN PUT IT INTO THE SITE PLAN AND
11:14:35AM IT'S NO LONGER --
11:14:37AM >> IT'S A MODULAR HOME.
11:14:38AM YES, SIR.
11:14:40AM IT'S NOT MOBILE.
11:14:42AM THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEFINITION.
11:14:43AM BECAUSE THE WAY YOU ATTACH A MOBILE HOME, IT CAN BE
11:14:51AM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN AN ACTUAL SITE BUILT ENGINEERED
11:14:53AM FOUNDATION.
11:14:54AM >>FRANK REDDICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:55AM >>THOM SNELLING: I WAS GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME UP AND
11:15:04AM TALK NOW BUT I WILL FINISH MY PRESENTATION AND THEN LET THEM
11:15:06AM COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINERS.
11:15:07AM OR IF SOMETHING COMES UP HERE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
11:15:13AM AND HERE IS THE DEFINITION PART OF TINY HOMES.
11:15:16AM THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS, 400 SQUARE FEET, 7
11:15:20AM FOOT CEILINGS. MARVIN TOUCHED ON THOSE THINGS.
11:15:25AM BUT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO DEFINE THEM.
11:15:27AM AND INTERNATIONAL ICC CODE HAS ADOPTED THEM.
11:15:31AM SOMETHING CALLED APPENDIX Q WHICH TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU HAVE
11:15:35AM TO TREAT THE STATUTE.
11:15:39AM SO THE FACT THAT THE ICC WHICH IS REALLY THE PARENT TO THE
11:15:42AM FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THAT'S STARTING TO DEVELOP THESE KIND
11:15:45AM OF THINGS, EVERYBODY IS STARTING TO TAKE THESE THINGS
11:15:47AM SERIOUS.
11:15:48AM AND I WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE SOME OF THE SAME RULES
11:15:51AM ACROSS CERTAINLY ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA IF NOT AROUND
11:15:55AM THE COUNTRY.
11:15:58AM AND THEN THE CONTAINER, DEFINED, THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE IN
11:16:03AM TERMS OF HOW YOU DO IT IS SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT
11:16:06AM APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO CONTAINERS.
11:16:08AM BUT IN TERMS OF CONTAINERS ARE USED AS TINY HOMES, THE SAME
11:16:12AM KIND OF 400 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, SITE BUILT ARE OR FACTORY
11:16:18AM BUILT, THE DOLLARS DICTATE HOW THIS UNIT GETS CONSTRUCTED.
11:16:33AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA -- AND THIS KIND OF GETS TO SOME OF THE
11:16:36AM QUESTIONS.
11:16:37AM RIGHT NOW THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONTEMPLATES,
11:16:40AM ENCOURAGES THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
11:16:42AM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT COUNT, YOU BUILD A TINY HOME
11:16:47AM ON A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT AND ADJACENT WITH ANOTHER HOUSE, IT
11:16:50AM WOULDN'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR DENSITY.
11:16:51AM AND THAT'S WHAT CONTROLS ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS,
11:16:56AM SINGLE-FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, ET CETERA.
11:16:58AM SO THE COMP PLAN IS ALREADY WRITTEN TO NOT COUNT TINY HOMES
11:17:02AM OR ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY KIND OF DWELLINGS AGAINST WHATEVER
11:17:05AM YOUR DENSITY, WHATEVER YOUR LAND USE DENSITY IS.
11:17:08AM NOW, IN CHAPTER 27, RECENTLY, TWO YEARS AGO, YOU ADOPTED THE
11:17:17AM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH IS FAIRLY
11:17:19AM EXPANSIVE.
11:17:21AM THAT RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:17:25AM THAT -- WELL, RIGHT NOW IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, IF YOU HAVE AN
11:17:29AM RS, OR SH DESIGNATION, ZONING DESIGNATION, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR
11:17:34AM REGULAR SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
11:17:36AM IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU BUILD A TINY HOME AND RENT IT OUT TO
11:17:40AM COLLEGE STUDENTS, WHOEVER YOU WANT.
11:17:42AM YOU CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW THROUGH A SPECIAL USE.
11:17:44AM SO THAT IS ALREADY BE POSITIVE.
11:17:46AM THE ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT IS AS A PERSON LIVING IN THE MAIN
11:17:49AM HOUSE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, HAS TO -- HAS TO BE OWNER
11:17:53AM OCCUPIED.
11:17:54AM BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PUT DOWN A SMALL ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY
11:17:57AM DWELLING UNIT, TINY HOME, IN THE BACK, AND RENT THAT OUT.
11:18:02AM AND THE REST OF THE CITY YOU CAN AGAIN BUILD A TINY HOUSE
11:18:11AM AND YOU CAN USE IT AS EXTENDED FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, PUT YOUR
11:18:14AM IN-LAWS THERE, CHILDREN, SOMEONE WHO IS PART OF YOUR ACTUAL
11:18:17AM FAMILY AND THAT CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY AGAIN THROUGH A
11:18:21AM SPECIAL USE.
11:18:21AM SO THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CURRENTLY
11:18:24AM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
11:18:27AM WE HAVE NOT BEEN INUNDATED SO MUCH WITH TINY HOMES, YOU
11:18:30AM KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN COMES UP AND TALKS ABOUT THE SHIPPING
11:18:35AM CONTAINERS.
11:18:35AM I THINK THAT MARKET IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST THE
11:18:40AM REALLY SMALL HOUSES.
11:18:41AM BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY DESIRED TO BE DO THAT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE
11:18:44AM A WAY FOR ALLOWING THEM TO DO THAT.
11:18:46AM NOW, GOING TO WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, COUNCILMAN, IS GOING
11:18:51AM FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS KIND OF THING A
11:18:53AM LITTLE BIT MORE AVAILABLE, AND SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE
11:18:58AM HAVE DONE IN THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS DISTRICT COULD BE DONE
11:19:00AM CITY-WIDE.
11:19:02AM BUT THAT'S A BIGGEST.
11:19:03AM THAT'S A LOT OF STUDY.
11:19:04AM A LOT OF CHANGING AROUND OF OUR EXISTING CODE.
11:19:07AM BUT AT SOME POINT --
11:19:12AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, PLEASE.
11:19:14AM WHEN YOU SAY CITY-WIDE, WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET WHAT YOU
11:19:17AM SAID, IN FACT I WAS JUST THINKING, WEST TAMPA MUST HAVE BEEN
11:19:20AM AHEAD OF THE CURVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF HOMES THAT
11:19:23AM HAVE NEVER BEEN ZONED ANYTHING THAT EVERYBODY IS LIVING IN,
11:19:26AM THE LAND IS ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, THERE'S HUNDREDS
11:19:29AM OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COLLECTING RENTS AND NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN
11:19:32AM PERMITTED.
11:19:32AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
11:19:33AM AND THAT'S A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION.
11:19:35AM I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
11:19:36AM BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS TINY HOUSES GOT RS 45 FOR A
11:19:46AM LOT, 60-FOOT LOT, 75, 100-FOOT LOTS.
11:19:49AM AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A TINY HOME ON A 100-FOOT LOT,
11:19:53AM THAT'S PERMISSIBLE.
11:19:56AM I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE SPECTRUM SO WE UNDERSTAND
11:20:00AM WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:20:00AM ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?
11:20:02AM >> YOU CAN BUILD A SMALL HOME ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:20:05AM MUCH IN A IS ZONED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY.
11:20:06AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
11:20:09AM GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY IN REAL TERMS OF
11:20:12AM CONVERSATION WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
11:20:13AM YOU CAN BUILD ONE.
11:20:14AM YOU CAN HAVE ONE OF THESE BUILT ON YOUR LOT OR DELIVERED AS
11:20:19AM LONG AS YOU MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE ZONING DEPARTMENT
11:20:21AM AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN LIVE THERE.
11:20:22AM >>THOM SNELLING: CORRECT.
11:20:24AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONLY ONE HOUSE SNELLING ONLY ONE HOUSE.
11:20:29AM WELL, AGAIN --
11:20:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALSO IN YOU HAVE A TINY HOUSE.
11:20:34AM >>THOM SNELLING: CORRECT.
11:20:34AM AND FOR THE AFFORDABILITY PART WITH THE LOTS, WHAT DRIVES
11:20:40AM THE COST OF HOUSING IN EAST TAMPA HAS A LOT TO DO, PRETTY
11:20:46AM MUCH MORE TO DO WITH THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND WHAT THE LOT
11:20:49AM SELLS FOR.
11:20:50AM THE CITY HAS REALLY NO CONTROL OVER THE VALUE OF LOTS AND
11:20:53AM HOW MUCH LOTS COST ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
11:20:58AM THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, THOSE LOTS THAT WE DID
11:21:00AM CONTROL, WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM, TO DO THAT, THAT
11:21:05AM WOULD BE THE ONLY REAL CONTROL THE CITY WOULD HAVE ON THE
11:21:11AM COST OF THE LOT.
11:21:12AM OTHER THAN THAT, THE MARKET DICTATES THE COST OF THE LOTS.
11:21:17AM MUCH MY CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THE LOTS
11:21:22AM OF TINY HOMES THAT WAS IT BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT
11:21:26AM THAT THE CITY CAN CONTROL WITH THE LOT, VACANT LOT COST.
11:21:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. COHEN.
11:21:35AM SO THEN AS I AM GETTING PREPARED MENTALLY TO UNDERSTAND
11:21:37AM WHAT'S GOING ON, THESE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT WE ARE TALKING
11:21:41AM ABOUT, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SAME LAND ZONING
11:21:44AM QUALIFICATION WE HAVE IN THE RECORD NOW FOR A TINY HOUSE?
11:21:47AM >>THOM SNELLING: CORRECT.
11:21:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND -- ALL RIGHT, I'LL HOLD TILL LATER.
11:21:54AM >>HARRY COHEN: I JUST WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO SOMETHING
11:21:56AM SAID.
11:21:56AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.
11:21:58AM IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD A TINY HOUSE ON A LOT THAT IS
11:22:04AM ALREADY OCCUPIED BY A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE, THEY WOULD DO SO
11:22:09AM AS AN -- EXCEPT IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHICH HAS DIFFERENT
11:22:13AM CODES.
11:22:14AM THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY THEY WOULD DO IT THE SAME
11:22:16AM WAY THAT WOULD YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO BUILD AN
11:22:23AM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE?
11:22:25AM >>THOM SNELLING: IF YOU WERE INTENDING TO BUILD YOU GO
11:22:28AM THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS OF BUILDING A RESIDENCE.
11:22:30AM >>HARRY COHEN: BUT I'M ASKING, THERE'S ALREADY A RESIDENCE
11:22:33AM THERE.
11:22:35AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
11:22:39AM >>THOM SNELLING: THE ONLY WAY OUTSIDE OF THE SEMINOLE
11:22:41AM HEIGHTS ZONE AREA, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BUILD AN ADDITIONAL
11:22:45AM RESIDENCE, TINY HOUSE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE --
11:22:49AM >>HARRY COHEN: SPECIAL USE, RIGHT ARE?
11:22:51AM >>THOM SNELLING: AND IT HAS TO BE AN EXTENDED FAMILY.
11:22:54AM >>HARRY COHEN: THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
11:22:56AM YOU CAN'T RENT IT OUT.
11:22:57AM >> CORRECT.
11:22:58AM >>HARRY COHEN: THE WAY THE CODE IS NOW.
11:23:00AM >> CORRECT.
11:23:03AM >>HARRY COHEN: BUT IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHERE WE HAVE
11:23:05AM TWEAKED THE CODE ALREADY, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
11:23:08AM DO THAT, CORRECT?
11:23:11AM >>THOM SNELLING: YES, YES.
11:23:12AM >>HARRY COHEN: SO THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
11:23:15AM WHAT'S ALLOWED IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S ALLOWED IN THE
11:23:18AM REST.
11:23:19AM >>THOM SNELLING: AND THEREIN LIES OUR CHALLENGE.
11:23:21AM IT TOOK ALMOST THREE YEARS TO GET THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS THING
11:23:24AM DONE.
11:23:25AM >>HARRY COHEN: I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
11:23:26AM STATE OF THE CODE IS THAT WOULD MAKE THESE TYPES OF HOUSES
11:23:31AM AND THESE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS POSSIBLE TO PEOPLE.
11:23:35AM THAT'S ALL.
11:23:37AM YOU ANSWERED THAT.
11:23:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE PROBLEM THAT WE ARE HAVING IS WE ARE
11:23:41AM GOING TO EXPERIENCE A 40% GROWTH AS YOU WELL KNOW IN THE
11:23:44AM NEXT 25 YEARS.
11:23:49AM AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS MEET THE ACCOMMODATION.
11:23:51AM HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE LAND VALUE IN BUILDING A
11:23:54AM HOUSE IS ALMOST THE COST OF BUILDING THE HOUSE.
11:23:57AM >>THOM SNELLING: YES, SIR.
11:23:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT USED TO BE YOU COULD BUY A LOT FOR
11:24:02AM 5,000 A LOT, THEN IT WAS 15, THEN 20.
11:24:05AM NOW IN A LOT OF AREAS, THE LOTS ARE 50 TO A MILLION DOLLAR.
11:24:10AM 50,000.
11:24:11AM 100,000.
11:24:12AM IT'S COMMONPLACE IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY WHEN I GO TO
11:24:16AM HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
11:24:17AM I SEE SOME FOR 300,000.
11:24:21AM IN OH SOME AREAS LOTS ARE CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
11:24:24AM WHAT I SEE IS I COULD SEE A MILLION DOLLAR LOT WITH A TINY
11:24:30AM HOUSE AND IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU DO IT.
11:24:32AM BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT DOWN THE LINE, AND YOU ARE
11:24:36AM GOING TO HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
11:24:40AM NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY THAT SAY, I DON'T WANT
11:24:42AM TO LIVE NEXT TO THAT.
11:24:43AM AND THAT'S WHAT'S COMING.
11:24:46AM SO I'M VERY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW WE END UP.
11:24:48AM >>HARRY COHEN: TO MR. MIRANDA'S POINT, I THINK THE FACT
11:24:53AM THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SINGLE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OUT FOR
11:24:58AM SPECIFIC ZONING, IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU WOULD HAVE --
11:25:03AM YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IN THE CITY YOU WANTED TO
11:25:07AM TRY THIS OUT.
11:25:08AM AND IT WOULD TAKE, I THINK, A LOT OF WORK TO ANYTHING IT OUT
11:25:13AM AND LAY OUT THE GUIDELINES.
11:25:15AM JUST LIKE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, IT COULD WORK IF WE -- YOU KNOW.
11:25:23AM >>THOM SNELLING: IF WE FIGURE THAT OUT, AND THE REASON
11:25:26AM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS TOOK THIS ON IS BECAUSE WE HAD A TON, A TON
11:25:31AM OF NEIGHBORHOOD WORKSHOPS WITH EVERYBODY SITTING DOWN WITH
11:25:35AM FACTS, AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME.
11:25:37AM AND EVEN WHEN WE THOUGHT WE HAD IT ALL WRAPPED UP, READY TO
11:25:43AM GO, YOU REMEMBER WORKSHOPS THAT CAME FORWARD AND EVERYBODY
11:25:45AM WAS LIKE, I NEVER HEARD OF THIS.
11:25:47AM AND HOW DID YOU NOT HEAR OF IT?
11:25:49AM WE HAVE BEEN SENDING OUT HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF MAILERS.
11:25:52AM BUT NONETHELESS, IS IT DOABLE?
11:25:54AM ABSOLUTELY IT'S DOABLE.
11:25:56AM WILL IT BE THE POLITICAL WILL IN SIX MONTHS TO DO IT?
11:25:58AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:25:59AM MAYBE SO.
11:26:00AM HOPEFULLY.
11:26:01AM BUT THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THE
11:26:04AM POLITICAL WILL TO TRY TO EMBRACE THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY.
11:26:07AM >>HARRY COHEN: IT MAY BE SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL IS NOT
11:26:11AM CAPABLE OF COMPLETING BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING THIS COUNCIL
11:26:13AM IS CAPABLE OF STARTING THE DIALOGUE.
11:26:15AM THERE IS CERTAINLY NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE TODAY EXPRESSING
11:26:17AM CONCERN ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUES.
11:26:19AM IT SOUND TO ME LIKE IF BEE START THE DIALOGUE, THERE WILL BE
11:26:22AM A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN --
11:26:25AM >>THOM SNELLING: I AGREE.
11:26:26AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T WANT TO TAKE CONTROL OF THIS AT
11:26:28AM ALL BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME TYPE OF SYSTEM IN
11:26:31AM PLACE THAT DOESN'T SAY, OH, I'M NOT CHARGING ANY RENT.
11:26:34AM THAT'S MY THIRD COUSIN, FIRST COUSIN.
11:26:36AM AND THERE'S NO ONE COLLECTING RENT, WHICH THEY ARE.
11:26:40AM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PAPERWORK DOCUMENTATION IF IT'S A
11:26:43AM RELATIVE I DON'T CARE IF YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND SHOW ME
11:26:46AM YOUR GRANDMOTHER OR FATHER, AUNT.
11:26:48AM I WANT TO SEE A FAMILY TREE THAT FITS THAT DESCRIPTION
11:26:51AM BECAUSE I KNOW OF MANY PLACES WHAT'S BEING DONE, IT AIN'T
11:26:55AM SO, BROTHER.
11:26:57AM I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT TO THE RECORD.
11:26:59AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
11:27:01AM MR. SNELLING, I THINK -- AND I AGREE WITH WHAT MR. MIRANDA
11:27:05AM IS SAYING AND WHAT MR. COHEN IS SAYING IN TERMS OF HOW WE
11:27:08AM HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN.
11:27:09AM BUT I KNOW THAT WE MAY HAVE SEEN THIS ON COUNCIL AND I CAN'T
11:27:13AM REMEMBER IF I SAW IT, SOMEONE PRESENTED TO ME, WHAT WE SAW
11:27:17AM ON COUNCIL, THAT WE HAVE A REGULAR 50 FRONTAGE LOT, AND PUT
11:27:25AM FOUR HOMES THERE, TINY HOMES, AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE LIKE A
11:27:29AM COURTYARD AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND WHERE THEY ARE
11:27:32AM ESSENTIALLY SETBACKS AS WE NORMALLY SEE, BUT THEY HAVE FOUR
11:27:36AM HOMES ESSENTIALLY IN THAT SAME LOT, AND THEY SHARE WITH IT
11:27:41AM KIND OF A COMMON AREA AND GO FROM THERE.
11:27:44AM THE LOT PRICING IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF WHAT MAKES THE
11:27:49AM HOUSE AFFORDABLE OR NOT AFFORDABLE.
11:27:51AM BUFF IF SOMEBODY WHO MADE THAT CONCEPT AND SAID, LIENS, WE
11:27:54AM WANT TO HAVE THREE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING BESIDES THE ONE
11:27:58AM THAT I AM LIVING IN, AND IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO BE ZONED
11:28:01AM AS A MULTIFAMILY.
11:28:05AM BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME CONTROLS OVER THAT
11:28:08AM WHERE YOU CAN SAY, I CAN PUT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TINY HOMES
11:28:12AM ON A PARTICULAR RESIDENTIAL LOT.
11:28:14AM I THINK THAT MAY BE THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE TO GO INTO IN
11:28:17AM ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THAT KIND OF AFFORDABILITY.
11:28:20AM BECAUSE WE ARE EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE LOTS SMALLER AND
11:28:23AM COME TO SMALLER LOT SIZE TO FIT WHAT WOULD BE A TINY HOUSE
11:28:30AM CONCEPT, OR WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT CONCEPT
11:28:33AM THAT ALLOWS FOR A NATIONAL, LET'S SAY, HOMES IN A PROJECT
11:28:40AM VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WITH A TOWN HOME BUT IT USUALLY
11:28:43AM TAKES MORE LAND, FOUR TOWNHOMES OR SIX TOWNHOMES OR SO ON.
11:28:48AM AND THERE MAY BE SOME WAY OF DOING THAT.
11:28:50AM AND THERE MAY BE SOME RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS THAT WE CAN PUT
11:28:54AM INTO THE CROWED TO ALLOW OF THAT TO HAPPEN SO WE DON'T HAVE
11:28:57AM SOME OF THE SITUATIONS THAT MR. MIRANDA IS TALKING ABOUT
11:28:59AM WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OWNERSHIP STAKE IN THE HOME
11:29:02AM ITSELF.
11:29:03AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE OWNER OF
11:29:07AM THE LAND.
11:29:08AM THE OWNER OF THE LAND HAS TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT OWNS
11:29:12AM ONE OF THE HOMES.
11:29:13AM THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE THAT WAY, WE
11:29:20AM CAN FIND MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES.
11:29:21AM THE EXAMPLE THAT MR. MIRANDA SAID ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR
11:29:24AM PROPERTY AND TINY HOME, CHANCES WE ARE WANT TO MAKE SURE
11:29:27AM THEY DON'T PUT 100 TINY HOMES ON A MILLION DOLLAR LOT.
11:29:30AM SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.
11:29:32AM I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE PUT IT IN THE CODE THAT
11:29:36AM KEEPS THE RESTRICTION IN PLACE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND
11:29:40AM OF THING.
11:29:40AM >>THOM SNELLING: I HAVE A HANDOUT.
11:30:01AM GOING BACK AS YOU ARE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS DONE BY A
11:30:04AM COALITION.
11:30:05AM AND THE CITY PARTICIPATES IN THIS.
11:30:07AM BUT THIS WALKS THROUGH AND SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
11:30:11AM YOU MENTIONED, COUNCILMAN, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING
11:30:15AM INTO THAT, THEY ARE SIGNING AGREEMENTS THAT THEY ARE GOING
11:30:17AM TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, PARTICIPATE IN CERTAIN THINGS, BE A
11:30:19AM MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, ON AND ON AND ON.
11:30:21AM YOU KNOW, THIS IS ADDRESSING SOME OF THE AFFORDABILITY
11:30:24AM ISSUES ON THAT.
11:30:29AM BUT THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE CAME ACROSS.
11:30:31AM AND THERE ARE OTHERS.
11:30:32AM BUT THIS HAS THE NICEST GRAPHICS.
11:30:34AM BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES.
11:30:36AM AND IF YOU GO TO PAGE 5, YOU SEE IT HAS SEVERAL OF THE
11:30:39AM LAYOUTS, BUT THEN THEY ALSO HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER, IN SOME
11:30:42AM PLACES A CENTRAL AREA THERE.
11:30:44AM >>THOM SNELLING: MR. SNELLING THAT SITE PLAN THAT YOU ARE
11:30:47AM MENTIONING, WHAT IS THAT SIZE LOT?
11:30:51AM >>THOM SNELLING: IT'S 1.2 ACRES.
11:30:54AM >> SO IT'S A MUCH LARGER LOT.
11:30:57AM I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
11:31:00AM >> AN RS-50.
11:31:02AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THAT'S A PRETTY BIG LOT.
11:31:07AM >> THAT'S 1.2 ACRES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:31:10AM BUT THE REASON THAT I DID THE HANDOUT ON THIS, COUNCIL, IS
11:31:13AM BECAUSE THIS IS DONE BY A COALITION, NOT NECESSARILY BY THE
11:31:16AM CITY.
11:31:16AM THE CITY PARTICIPATES IN IT.
11:31:20AM AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU BRING TO THE HOMELESS
11:31:23AM COALITION AND ASK THEM TO LOOK INTO THIS AS WELL.
11:31:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THE
11:31:30AM VALUE, NOT ONLY THE VALUES IN TERMS OF MAKING HOUSING
11:31:33AM AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSING
11:31:36AM BUT THE IDEA OF MORE SIMPLICITY.
11:31:39AM OVER THE LAST 40 YEARS OUR HOMES, OUR CARS, OUR WAISTLINES
11:31:44AM HAVE GOTTEN BIGGER AND I THINK WE ARE MUCH HAPPIER.
11:31:47AM IN REVIEWING FOR THIS AND LOOKING UP TINY HOMES, I SAW THAT
11:31:50AM IN 197, THE AVERAGE NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WAS ABOUT 17,
11:31:55AM 1800 SQUARE FEET.
11:31:57AM TODAY IT'S ABOUT 2700 SQUARE FEET.
11:31:59AM AND YET OUR FAMILIES HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN SMALLER SINCE THAT
11:32:03AM TIME SO WE ARE DEMANDING MORE AND MORE AND MORE.
11:32:06AM AND THE QUESTIONS QUESTION THAT MUST BE ASKED, ARE WE
11:32:09AM HAPPIER?
11:32:09AM I DON'T THINK WE ARE.
11:32:11AM I ALWAYS TEACH -- I GO, NO, YOU WANT THAT.
11:32:15AM THERE'S A WANT AND A NEED.
11:32:17AM FOOD, I NEED.
11:32:20AM $50 LUNCH AT CAPITAL GRILLE, I WANT.
11:32:23AM BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A WANT.
11:32:27AM SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INNOVATIVE AND WE CAN TAKE
11:32:31AM A FORWARD PROGRESSIVE STANCE ON VALUES HERE.
11:32:35AM AND YOU TAKE ACT LOOK AT HOW HOUSING HAS CHANGED OVER THE
11:32:38AM YEARS.
11:32:39AM IN THE UNITED STATES YOU TAKE A LOOK AFTER WORLD WAR II,
11:32:41AM THINGS LIKE THE BASIC REALITIES OF NEW GENERATIONS IN
11:32:46AM AMERICA AND I THINK THERE'S A NEW GENERATION OF AMERICANS,
11:32:48AM ONE WANT THINGS THAT ARE MORE SIMPLISTIC.
11:32:51AM SMALLER CARS.
11:32:52AM SMALLER WAISTLINES MAYBE.
11:32:54AM BUT DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
11:32:56AM THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE.
11:32:58AM >>THOM SNELLING: CAN I?
11:33:01AM >>HARRY COHEN: GO AHEAD.
11:33:02AM >>THOM SNELLING: YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT IN THAT THE CODE
11:33:07AM WRITING PIECE OF THIS, I HAD SOME VERY TALENTED CO-WRITERS,
11:33:12AM KRISTIN IS HERE, GLORIA MOREDA, CATHY.
11:33:15AM THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO WRITE THE CODE THAT WILL BUILD IN
11:33:18AM THE PROTECTIONS, THE RESTRICTIONS, THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK
11:33:21AM FROM WHICH YOU CAN DO THIS.
11:33:23AM TO BE FRANK WITH YOU, I THINK THE BIGGER DISCUSSION, THE
11:33:28AM BIGGER --
11:33:35AM [ NO ENCODER ]
11:33:41AM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY GO TO EACH AND EVERY
11:33:57AM COMMUNITY.
11:33:58AM WHETHER EAST TAMPA OR WEST TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA, NEW TAMPA,
11:34:01AM WHEREVER.
11:34:02AM YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE COMMUNITY TEMPERATURE, THE
11:34:06AM COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE THINKING.
11:34:11AM DO YOU WANT THESE TINY HOMES?
11:34:12AM NO.
11:34:13AM DO YOU WANT THESE TINY HOMES?
11:34:14AM YEAH, WOULD IT BE GREAT.
11:34:15AM WHATEVER.
11:34:16AM SO I THINK THAT CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE THE MORE
11:34:20AM DELICATE ONE TO HAVE.
11:34:23AM >>HARRY COHEN: I THINK MARKET FORCES ARE GOING TO DRIVE A
11:34:26AM LOT OF IT.
11:34:27AM BUT OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUESTION.
11:34:29AM IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE DESIRED
11:34:31AM BY SO NEIGHBORHOODS THAN OTHERS.
11:34:33AM BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU THIS.
11:34:35AM IN THE INTERIM BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME OF CODE IS WRITTEN
11:34:38AM THAT REALLY ADDRESSES THIS SO THE CODE COULD BE CHANGED,
11:34:41AM SOMEBODY THAT WANTED TO DO THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT COULD GO
11:34:44AM THROUGH THE PD PROCESS, RIGHT?
11:34:48AM >>THOM SNELLING: I WILL KICK THAT TO GLORIA.
11:34:49AM >>HARRY COHEN: OKAY, THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WHERE
11:34:54AM CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY MAKES A DETERMINATION BASED ON THE
11:34:58AM SITE PLAN ITSELF, AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WITHDRAWS THE --
11:35:04AM THE PROCESS ABOUT STRICT ZONING CODES.
11:35:07AM >>THOM SNELLING: NO, THE PD PROCESS, YOU ARE CREATING A
11:35:11AM VERY SPECIFIC ZONING DIRECT.
11:35:15AM THAT'S WHAT THE PD DOES.
11:35:17AM >>HARRY COHEN: AND THERE'S CLEARLY NO SHORTAGE OF
11:35:19AM NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT AND ABILITY TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN
11:35:21AM THOSE TYPES OF -- IN THOSE TYPES OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
11:35:25AM >>THOM SNELLING: CORRECT.
11:35:27AM I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES.
11:35:41AM YBOR CITY ON 4th AVENUE, AND I FORGET, BUT THERE'S
11:35:47AM ACTUALLY THREE HOUSES THERE.
11:35:48AM THE TWO ON THE LEFT RIGHT THERE.
11:35:50AM AND THE OTHER ONE.
11:35:51AM I WOULD CONSIDER THOSE TINY HOMES.
11:35:53AM THEY ARE SMALL.
11:35:58AM AND THEN WHAT THIS PERSON HAS DONE IS HERE IS THE FRONT THAT
11:36:02AM I JUST SHOWED YOU.
11:36:03AM THIS IS THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSES.
11:36:06AM WHAT YOU DON'T REALLY SEE HERE IS THERE'S ANOTHER PAD HERE,
11:36:09AM HAS ANOTHER PAD OVER IN THIS AREA.
11:36:12AM PROBABLY GOING TO PUT TWO MORE SMALL HOMES THERE.
11:36:15AM THEY HAVE THE RIGHT ZONING FOR THAT.
11:36:17AM THEY HAVE A MULTIFAMILY ZONING.
11:36:19AM THE SETBACKS IN YBOR CITY ALLOW FOR VIRTUALLY NO SETBACKS AT
11:36:22AM ALL.
11:36:23AM WHAT DRIVES SOME OF THIS STUFF IS GOING TO BE THE SEPARATION
11:36:26AM OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, FIRE REGULATIONS, CERTAIN
11:36:29AM NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, CERTAIN FIREWALL BETWEEN THE TWO FOR
11:36:35AM PROTECTION.
11:36:36AM BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT -- AND THERE'S OTHER
11:36:41AM EXAMPLES OF THESE KIND OF HOUSES BEING BUILT.
11:36:44AM SO IT'S OUT THERE FOR THOSE THAT DESIRE THAT KIND OF
11:36:47AM MINIMALIST LIFESTYLE.
11:36:49AM AND RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT YOU CAN'T SEE, AND I SHOULD HAVE
11:36:52AM TAKEN A PICTURE OF THAT, WAS AN OLD CASITA, VIRTUALLY
11:36:57AM IDENTICAL.
11:36:57AM SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN EXISTS IN THE CITY OF
11:37:00AM TAMPA.
11:37:01AM THERE ARE SOME UNINTENDED KIND OF EXTRA PROCESSES YOU GO
11:37:04AM THROUGH LIKE THE ONE YOU DESCRIBED, COUNCIL.
11:37:06AM BUT CAN'T DO IT -- YOU CAN DO IT IF THERE'S A DESIRE.
11:37:11AM ALSO IF THERE'S A PERSON OR COALITION THAT WANTS TO, YOU
11:37:13AM KNOW, HAVE A GROUND SWELL AND START TO PARTICIPATE IF THEY
11:37:18AM WANTED TO BE TINY HOME LEADERS AND REALLY PROMOTE THAT
11:37:23AM THING, AND THE CITY WOULD CERTAINLY BE A WILLING TO BE A
11:37:25AM PARTNER WITH ANY NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSES
11:37:30AM FOR PEOPLE THAT GOING TO COME.
11:37:32AM AND THEN I WILL GO BACK TO THE POWER POINT.
11:37:37AM AND WE HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS THE WHOLE TIME.
11:37:41AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO NOW IS INVITE WESLEY AND ROBERT.
11:37:45AM THEY ARE FROM SUNDOG.
11:37:47AM AND THEY ARE ONE OF OUR VERY OWN LOCAL CERTIFIED BUILDERS OF
11:37:55AM CONTAINER -- SHIPPING CONTAINERS FOR COMMERCIAL, AND I THINK
11:37:58AM YOU HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL STUFF?
11:37:59AM >> WE DO.
11:38:01AM >>THOM SNELLING: I WILL LET THE GENTLEMEN TALK.
11:38:02AM >> MY NAME IS WESLEY OSBOURNE, I'M PRESIDENT OF SUNDOG
11:38:06AM STRUCTURES.
11:38:07AM >> AND ROBERT COX WITH SUNDOG STRUCTURES.
11:38:09AM >> SO THOM ASKED US TO COME BY AND DISCUSS WHAT WE DO.
11:38:16AM SUNDOG STRUCTURES.
11:38:17AM WE ARE A MODULAR MANUFACTURER, AND CONTAINER HOMES,
11:38:21AM SITE-BUILT AND IN A MODULAR FASHION.
11:38:24AM WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE STATE.
11:38:28AM THERE ARE MODULAR MODELS APPROVED AT THE STATE LEVEL WHICH
11:38:31AM ALLOWS TO SHIP THE SITE FULLY MODULAR.
11:38:35AM ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, WE HAD AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM AND WE
11:38:39AM WERE WORKING IN OUR FIRM, AND WE WERE APPROACHED BY A NUMBER
11:38:43AM OF PEOPLE WHO WERE CONSIDERING CONTAINER HOMES.
11:38:47AM AT THE TIME, NO ONE REALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER ON IT.
11:38:49AM WE WERE APPROACHED BY HGTV, ONE OF THEIR PRODUCERS, TO SEE
11:38:53AM ARE IF WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PRODUCING ONE OF THESE
11:38:56AM HOMES.
11:38:57AM AND WE WERE -- WE WENT INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH PINELLAS PARK
11:39:02AM TO DEVELOP ALIVE-WORK, A IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT THEY ARE
11:39:06AM LOOKING AT AS AN ARTS DISTRICT.
11:39:09AM AND IT WAS AIRED ON HGTV AND HAD ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF
11:39:16AM VIEWERS FOR EACH EPISODE, TWO EPISODES.
11:39:19AM AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYTHING KIND OF BROKE LOOSE FOR US
11:39:25AM WHERE WE WERE IN THE BUSINESS OF BUILDING CONTAINER HOMES.
11:39:28AM WE HAVE SINCE DEVELOPED A FACTORY OFF OF MILLWOOD IN TAMPA
11:39:32AM AND BEGAN PRODUCING THESE HOUSES.
11:39:34AM WE HAD 30,000 FEET.
11:39:36AM WE HAVE GROWN FROM US TWO IN A ROOM STARING AT EACH OTHER TO
11:39:41AM 40 EMPLOYEES MOSTLY FULL TIME AND WE ARE LOOKING AT
11:39:44AM EXPANDING OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
11:39:45AM SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THIS.
11:39:47AM WE DID ABOUT 50 TO 100 LEADS A WEEK.
11:39:51AM YOU SEE A DEMAND OF REALLY COMING FROM A WHOLE ECONOMIC
11:39:56AM BACKGROUNDS.
11:39:57AM WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A MILLENNIAL THING BUT IT TURNS OUT
11:40:00AM IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IS REALLY INTERESTED IN, AND
11:40:03AM WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO SATISFY THE DEMAND.
11:40:07AM >>HARRY COHEN: WHAT IS YOUR PRICE POINT?
11:40:09AM WHAT DO THESE CONTAINERS HOMES LOOK LIKE?
11:40:11AM >> WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION ALL THE WAY
11:40:14AM FROM SMALL RESIDENTIAL TO THE TINY HOMES ALL THE WAY TO FULL
11:40:17AM SCALE COMMERCIAL.
11:40:19AM WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT FIRM.
11:40:21AM WE STARTED IN DESIGN.
11:40:26AM A LITTLE BIT LARGER HOME IN AREA.
11:40:29AM SO THIS IS A TWO-CONTAINER DESIGN ON THE 640 SQUARE FEET.
11:40:37AM WE ARE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS BY TRADE.
11:40:39AM WE WANTED TO DESIGN SOMETHING COMPELLING, HAS A LOT OF
11:40:41AM CHARACTER.
11:40:42AM IT'S NOT JUST CONTAINERS SET IN A BACKYARD OR SET ON
11:40:45AM FOUNDATIONS.
11:40:47AM AESTHETICALLY PLEASING DESIGN.
11:40:48AM SOMETHING THAT CAN HAVE SOME CHARACTER.
11:40:51AM SO THIS BEING 640 SQUARE FEET, IT'S TWO CONTAINERS.
11:40:54AM OUR STARTING PRICE POINT, AND THIS ALL DEPENDS UPON FINISH
11:40:58AM AND WHAT WE ARE AIMING FOR AS FAR AS THE BUDGET AND THE
11:41:00AM CONSTRAINTS, BUT NORMALLY AROUND $30 A SQUARE FOOT.
11:41:04AM WE HAVE A LOT OF THE SAME MATERIALS, SO IT'S NOT THIS LARGE
11:41:10AM AMOUNT OF SAVINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK.
11:41:13AM MOST OF THE TIME ABOUT 15% CHEAPER THAN WHAT TRADITIONAL
11:41:17AM CONSTRUCTION IS BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON FISH ISSUES YOU ARE
11:41:20AM WANTING.
11:41:21AM HIGH END FINISHES IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER.
11:41:25AM >>HARRY COHEN: 130 SQUARE FOOT, 80,000, 90,000?
11:41:30AM >> YES.
11:41:30AM TRADITIONAL.
11:41:31AM AND IT CAN GO UP OR DOWN DEPENDING ON THE FINISH.
11:41:34AM BUT WHAT OUR BUILDERS GRADE AND WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY OFFER
11:41:37AM IS AROUND 130 A SQUARE FOOT.
11:41:39AM >> AND THE SMALLER HOMES ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WHEN
11:41:43AM YOU ARE BUILDING A HOUSE, YOU STILL HAVE THE AIR
11:41:46AM CONDITIONING, YOU HAVE THE PLUMBING SYSTEMS, ALL THE BASE
11:41:48AM THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING.
11:41:51AM SO THEY KIND OF LEVELIZE WHEN YOU GET AROUND -- WE HAVE 320
11:41:56AM SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THAT'S THE MODULE.
11:42:01AM WE ALSO DO 20-FOOT MODULES.
11:42:02AM WE ARE JUST STARTING TO DO SOME 320 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS TWO
11:42:07AM 20-FOOT MODULES SIDE BY SIDE.
11:42:11AM SO WE ARE KIND OF JUST FOLLOWING THE PATH OF WHAT THE DEMAND
11:42:14AM IS COMING FROM OUR CLIENTS THAT OUR AVERAGE HOMES ARE 1280
11:42:19AM SQUARE FEET IS OUR MOST POPULAR MODEL.
11:42:22AM >> AND THAT IS WHAT ROBERT IS SPEAKING TO IS THE CONTAINER
11:42:28AM BUILT.
11:42:28AM SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE IN THE MODULE KIND OF IN COMPONENTS
11:42:31AM THEY ARE LIKE LAGOS.
11:42:33AM THEY INCREASE OR DECREASE BY 320 SQUARE FEET PER MODE
11:42:36AM YOU'LL.
11:42:37AM SO WE CAN APPLY THEM IN MANY DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS, IN
11:42:40AM MANY DIFFERENT DESIGNS.
11:42:41AM THESE CAN HAVE THE CONTAINERS EXPOSED DEPENDING ON THE
11:42:46AM DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:42:48AM BUT THE SKY IS THE LIMIT ON WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THESE.
11:42:51AM THE QUALITY OF THE BUILD THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET IS IN
11:42:55AM TERMS OF CONSTRUCTABILITY, ADAPTIVE, EXISTING MATERIAL,
11:43:00AM STRENGTH FOR THE HURRICANE RATINGS AND WIND RATINGS ARE
11:43:03AM PHENOMENAL.
11:43:03AM A SINGLE CONTAINER IS -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED
11:43:11AM IN REBUILDING AFTER THE HURRICANE AND OTHER THINGS BECAUSE
11:43:13AM OF THE STRENGTH AND WHAT YOU ARE GETTING WITH THE PRODUCT
11:43:17AM THAT WE ARE BUILDING.
11:43:17AM >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. MANISCALCO.
11:43:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:43:22AM I CAN'T AFFORD A $200,000 HOME, AND THE LAST YEAR OR SO I
11:43:28AM LOOKED AT DIFFERENT DESIGNS TO UNDERSTAND THESE SHIPPING
11:43:31AM CONTAINER HOMES.
11:43:32AM AND WHEN PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, YOU THINK WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN A
11:43:35AM METAL BOX?
11:43:36AM WHEN YOU SEE THEM FINISHED LIKE THIS, THEIR OPINION
11:43:39AM COMPLETELY CHANGES.
11:43:40AM FROM PEOPLE THAT KNOW ME, I LIKE MID CENTURY.
11:43:44AM THESE ARE VERY MID CENTURY LOOKING, BUT THEY NEED A PRICE
11:43:49AM POINT THAT I MAY BE ABLE TO AFFORD.
11:43:51AM OF COURSE I HAVE TO FIND THE LAND.
11:43:53AM THAT'S ANOTHER COST.
11:43:54AM BUT YOU HAVE A HOME THAT YOU THINK ABOUT.
11:43:55AM WATER LEAKS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STANDARD ROOF BECAUSE IT'S
11:43:58AM METAL.
11:43:59AM TERMITES, HERE IN FLORIDA AND WHATNOT, THINKING ABOUT IT,
11:44:02AM BECAUSE IT'S METAL.
11:44:03AM HURRICANES, YOU ALREADY EXPLAINED THE SAFETY AND HOW STRONG
11:44:07AM THEY ARE FOR THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
11:44:09AM BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS AND TINY
11:44:11AM HOMES AND WHATNOT AND TALK ABOUT POVERTY, HOMELESSNESS,
11:44:15AM PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD A HOME, THESE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS
11:44:17AM THAT ALLOW PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT PRICE RANGES, DIFFERENT
11:44:20AM INCOMES, AND THEY MIGHT MAKE 25, 30,000 A YEAR, IF THEY CAN
11:44:24AM AFFORD SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
11:44:25AM TINY HOMES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LESS AND WHATNOT.
11:44:29AM BUT IT'S A 21st CENTURY SOLUTION TO PROBLEMS THAT WE
11:44:34AM DISCUSSED FOR A LONG TIME.
11:44:36AM AND JUST THE QUALITY OF WHAT YOU GET.
11:44:38AM YOU ARE NOT MOVING INTO, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE NOT BEING
11:44:42AM CRAMMED.
11:44:42AM LOOK HOW NICE IT IS, YOU KNOW.
11:44:44AM THERE'S DIGNITY WITH IT.
11:44:46AM YOU HAVE QUALITY.
11:44:47AM AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY IMPRESSED.
11:44:50AM JUST THROUGH THE INTERNET, DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT MAKE
11:44:52AM HOMES.
11:44:55AM BECAUSE YOU WILL HEAR, I AM THE ONE THAT MAKES THE SHAPING
11:45:00AM CONTAINER IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:45:01AM YOU WOULDN'T KNOW.
11:45:02AM I SAW THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU PUT UP THAT HAD A FACADE OR
11:45:06AM WHATNOT.
11:45:06AM THAT WAS A TRADITIONAL FINISH HOME, A NICE HOME.
11:45:09AM YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY IS THERE.
11:45:11AM THERE YOU GO, FESTER.
11:45:12AM WITH THE LANDSCAPING IS VERY NICE.
11:45:14AM SO I HAVE ALWAYS ADMIRED THESE AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE
11:45:18AM HERE.
11:45:18AM A AND I THANK YOU.
11:45:20AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
11:45:22AM I ASSUME THAT THE 640 SQUARE FOOT WE TALKED ABOUT DOES NOT
11:45:26AM INCLUDE THE TOTAL SIZE OF WHAT I SEE ON THE PHOTOGRAPH.
11:45:30AM >> THIS IS A 640.
11:45:31AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PORCH AND EVERYTHING ELSE?
11:45:34AM >> IT INCLUDES OUTDOOR LIVING.
11:45:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE LIVING SPACE IS HOW MUCH?
11:45:38AM >> 640 AIR CONDITIONED.
11:45:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT I AM SEEING IS 640.
11:45:43AM >> WHAT YOU ARE SEEING AN OUTDOOR PATIO.
11:45:46AM >>FRANK REDDICK: SINGLE-FAMILY THAT INCLUDED IN THE BASE
11:45:48AM PRICE OR NOT?
11:45:49AM >> THE FIREPLACE IS NOT.
11:45:52AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DOES THE BMW COME WITH IT THAT I SAW IN
11:45:55AM THE OTHER ONE?
11:45:56AM >> NO.
11:45:57AM (LAUGHTER).
11:45:58AM >> WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS A LOT OF CHALLENGES OF SMALL
11:46:02AM SITES, DENSITY, AND BY BUILDING THESE IN THE FACTORY WE ARE
11:46:06AM ABLE TO LIFT THEM INTO SITES WITH CRANES SO WE CAN GET THEM
11:46:09AM VERY CLOSE IN CONDITIONS WHERE THERE'S MINIMAL LOT LINE AND
11:46:13AM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
11:46:16AM WE ARE BUILDING RIGHT NOW UP TO ALABAMA, AND THERE'S A
11:46:22AM BUILDING THAT'S 32 FEET WIDE LOT WITH 100 FEET DEEP AND WE
11:46:28AM ARE PUTTING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FINANCIAL SERVICE OFFICE ON
11:46:33AM THAT SITE.
11:46:33AM SO WE ARE ABLE TO REALLY PACK THESE INTO VERY COMPACT SITES
11:46:38AM AND HELP THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS.
11:46:40AM WE HAVE SOME MULTIFAMILY OPTIONS AS WELL.
11:46:42AM >> THE IMAGE THAT I JUST PUT UP HERE IN THE DESIGN FOR ONE
11:46:46AM OF THE ISLANDS, VIRGIN ISLANDS, THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO
11:46:52AM DEVELOP THE SITE, THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SITE AND HOW THEY
11:46:56AM CAN SHIP TO SITE IN MULTILEVEL, MULTI-STORY TYPE OF DESIGNS.
11:47:00AM >>FRANK REDDICK: SO AS I WAS MENTIONING THESE ARE
11:47:02AM STACKABLE.
11:47:03AM THERE'S SO MANY OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO WITH CONTAINERS THAT
11:47:05AM YOU CAN'T DO WITH TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION EXCEPT FOR MUCH
11:47:08AM HIGHER PRICE POINT.
11:47:09AM SO WHEN WE GET TO MULTI-STORY DESIGN AND MULTI-STORY
11:47:12AM CONFIGURATION, CONTAINERS CAN BE VERY GOOD INFORM THAT.
11:47:16AM >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. SUAREZ AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENTS.
11:47:21AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: YOU MENTIONED THAT AIR CONDITIONING CAN BE
11:47:26AM AN ISSUE.
11:47:27AM YOU SAY YOU ARE BUILDING ONE IN MARATHON?
11:47:30AM >> IT'S UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
11:47:33AM BUT IT'S GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
11:47:38AM >> IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE INSIDE WALLS ARE
11:47:41AM INSULATED.
11:47:43AM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR A METAL BOG BOX IN FLORIDA?
11:47:46AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER WATCHED ANY PRISON MOVIES BUT THEY
11:47:49AM ALWAYS PUT A GUY SITTING IN METAL BOXES SWEAT IT OUT.
11:47:53AM I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THAT DOES TO SOMEBODY WHO IS
11:47:55AM LIVING HERE IN FLORIDA WITH A METAL BOX.
11:47:57AM >> WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS.
11:47:59AM THE WAY WE DESIGN THESE BUILDINGS FOR RESIDENTIAL, THEY ALL
11:48:03AM MEET THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND THEY ALL HAVE BE A
11:48:05AM MINIMUM ENERGY REQUIREMENT WHICH WE MEET AND SURPASS.
11:48:09AM WE BASICALLY -- BUILD A METAL FRAME WALL INSIDE THE
11:48:16AM TRADITIONAL HOUSE WITH A SPEC FRAME WALL AND INSULATED
11:48:21AM BETWEEN THAT AND THE SHEETROCK ENTER YOUR.
11:48:24AM >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I AM UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE
11:48:28AM IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD THE CORRUGATED LOOK ON THE INSIDE.
11:48:32AM THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE THE METAL CONTAINER PORTION OF IT
11:48:34AM ON THE INSIDE.
11:48:35AM BUT THERE IS INSULATION BETWEEN THAT AND THE OUTSIDE WALL.
11:48:39AM IS THAT CORRECT?
11:48:39AM >> IN THAT CASE IF YOU ARE SEEING THE CORE YOU GRACIOUS ON
11:48:42AM THE LEFT SIDE THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER CONTAINER MEETS BETWEEN
11:48:46AM SO IT'S STILL CONSIDERED PART -- ON THE OUTSIDE WALLS WE USE
11:48:51AM SPRAY FOAM, AND --
11:48:54AM >> WHAT THEY TYPICALLY USED TO CALL EFIS?
11:48:57AM THE SAME THING?
11:48:58AM >> FOAM.
11:49:01AM A TYPICAL BUILDING WILL KIND OF LEECH ITS AIR OUT ABOUT 15
11:49:05AM TIMES A DAY JUST BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE OF THE AIR
11:49:08AM CONDITIONING, WHERE WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH HOUSES
11:49:13AM AND OTHER MANUFACTURERS AND THEY ONLY DO IT FOUR TIMES.
11:49:20AM >> IS THAT BECAUSE OF SPACE AS OPPOSED TO THE SIZE?
11:49:24AM IT SOUND LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF?
11:49:26AM >> IT'S ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION ITSELF.
11:49:27AM >> HOPEFULLY THE HURRICANE DOESN'T MAKE YOU THEN HAVE TO
11:49:38AM FLOAT IN THIS.
11:49:38AM I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.
11:49:39AM WE HAVE SOME FLOODING IN SOME AREAS.
11:49:41AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
11:49:43AM ONE LAST QUESTION.
11:49:45AM WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A HOME LET'S SAY 650 SQUARE FEET
11:49:48AM AS YOU MENTIONED, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE AIR
11:49:51AM CONDITIONING UNIT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER?
11:49:54AM IS IT A ONE-TON UNIT?
11:49:55AM IS IT A HALF-TON UNIT?
11:49:57AM WHAT IS THE BEST RECOMMENDED FOR THAT?
11:50:00AM >> RECOMMENDED THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN A 1 AND 2-TON UNIT.
11:50:03AM >> SO YOU ARE PRODUCING A LOT OF AIR CONDITIONING FOR A
11:50:07AM SMALL SPACE.
11:50:08AM >> WE TRADITIONALLY USE MOSTLY MINI SPLITS FOR THE ENERGY
11:50:11AM EFFICIENCY.
11:50:12AM BUT WE CAN IMPROVE THE TRADITIONAL AC WHATEVER OPTIONS ARE
11:50:17AM WITHIN THE BUDGET, FOR THE OWNER.
11:50:19AM BUT BEING THAT THEY ARE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND MEET THE
11:50:22AM FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AS FAR AS ENERGY REQUIREMENTS,
11:50:24AM WHATEVER THE --
11:50:28AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: I THINK YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING AIR
11:50:30AM CONDITIONING CAN CAUSE YOUR PRICE POINT TO GO UP
11:50:33AM SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER ESPECIALLY IN A 2-TON UNIT BECAUSE MOST
11:50:36AM PEOPLE WILL HAVE A 2-TON UNIT, MIGHT HAVE 2700 SQUARE FEET.
11:50:40AM SO DEPENDING ON THE WAY THAT THEY CONSTRUCT.
11:50:43AM THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
11:50:44AM >> WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO GET SO MORE ANALYSIS ON THE
11:50:47AM BUILDINGS, BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BIG AIR
11:50:50AM CONDITIONING UNIT.
11:50:51AM WE HAVE TO DO THAT BASED ON THE SIZE THAT'S REQUIRED BY
11:50:54AM CODE.
11:50:55AM BUT BECAUSE YOU WANT A SMALLER UNIT THAT RUNS A LITTLE
11:51:01AM LONGER THAT DEHUMIDIFIES THE AIR A LITTLE BETTER SO THAT'S
11:51:05AM SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING ON.
11:51:06AM >>MIKE SUAREZ: THANK YOU.
11:51:07AM >>FRANK REDDICK: WE GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
11:51:11AM ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 5?
11:51:14AM PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:51:15AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:51:42AM ALMOST AFTERNOON.
11:51:46AM I MAY GO OVER THREE MINUTES BUT IT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL.
11:51:49AM IT'S INFORMATIVE.
11:51:49AM >>FRANK REDDICK: NO, NO, NO.
11:51:51AM >> MY NAME IS BILL MORRISON, A RESIDENT DOWN HERE, SPEAKING
11:51:58AM TODAY ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, NOT THE TINY HOMES, BUT
11:52:01AM THAT WAS PART OF THIS.
11:52:02AM MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT, WHICH WERE CREATED NEARLY 40
11:52:05AM YEARS AGO WERE WRITTEN AT SUCH LEVELS OF SPECIFICITY THAT IT
11:52:08AM CREATES THE ILLUSION THAT IT MUST BE CORRECT.
11:52:12AM FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT SAY 1.1 SPACE FOR
11:52:14AM EVERY 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPECIALTY SHOPS OR .3 SPACES FOR
11:52:18AM EVERY SEAT IN A THEATER.
11:52:21AM THEY SOUND SCIENTIFICALLY CORRECT BUT WE ARE LULLED INTO
11:52:22AM THINKING IT'S WHAT'S BEST, LIKE MOST CITIES WE CONFUSE
11:52:27AM PRECISION FOR TRUTH AND AS A RESULT WE FOLLOW OUR PARKING
11:52:29AM CODE AS IF THEY ARE POSSIBLE.
11:52:31AM WE NEED TO STOP THINKING THAT THOSE THINGS ARE CORRECT JUST
11:52:35AM BECAUSE THEY ARE SO SPECIFIC.
11:52:36AM IN THE WORDS OF THE GREAT ECONOMIST JOHN VAN BUMEN, THERE'S
11:52:43AM NO SENSE IN SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
11:52:45AM TALKING ABOUT AND THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THESE CODES BEFORE
11:52:49AM YOU GOT HERE WERE MISGUIDED.
11:52:52AM AND I HOPE YOU DON'T FOLLOW THEIR ADVICE ANYMORE.
11:52:55AM REQUIRING MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, IT ISN'T A SOLUTION BUT A
11:52:58AM START.
11:52:59AM SIMPLY REPLACE THE WORD MINIMUM WITH MAXIMUM
11:53:04AM NEXT IF YOU ARE WORRIED THAT THE ELIMINATION OF THESE
11:53:06AM STANDARD WILL SOMEHOW CREATE MASS CONFESSION HYSTERIA, IF
11:53:13AM THEY SET ASIDE LAND BEAUTIFICATION AND LANDSCAPING, IT CAN
11:53:17AM LATER BE CONVERTED TO PARKING IF DEMAND IS HIGHER THAN
11:53:20AM EXPECTED AND THIS WILL ALSO BEAUTIFY THE CITY, AND CREATE A
11:53:24AM BACKUP PLAN.
11:53:25AM FOR EXAMPLE, IN PALO ALTO, CALIFORNIA THEY ALLOWED
11:53:28AM REDUCTIONS UP TO 50% IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
11:53:31AM IF THE DIFFERENCE IS MADE UP THROUGH LANDSCAPE RESERVE AND
11:53:34AM NOT ONE OF THESE HAS EVER BEEN CONVERTED BACK INTO PARKING.
11:53:39AM THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
11:53:40AM BECAUSE IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES, YOU CAN
11:53:43AM LOOK TO OTHERS TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO PLAY OUT.
11:53:46AM LOS ANGELES REQUIRES PARKING IN THEIR CENTRAL BUSINESS
11:53:46AM DISTRICTS, WHILE SAN FRANCISCO RESTRICTS IT.
11:53:52AM LOS ANGELES HAS 50 TIMES MORE PARKING SPACES THAN
11:53:55AM SAN FRANCISCO.
11:53:56AM AND THE DIFFERENCE IN PLANNING CAN ALSO EXPLAIN WHY DOWNTOWN
11:54:00AM SAN FRANCISCO IS A MUCH MORE EXCITING LIVABLE DOWNTOWN THAN
11:54:04AM LOS ANGELES IS AS WELL.
11:54:05AM FOR SUB 3, WE COULD RESEARCH PERFORMANCE PARKING PRICES.
11:54:09AM IT'S GOING TO COMPLEMENT THE ELIMINATION OF MINIMUM PARKING
11:54:11AM REQUIREMENTS AND STEP 4 CAN CREATE PARKING BENEFIT
11:54:12AM DISTRICTS. ALL OF THESE STRATEGIES ARE LAID OUT IN A BOOK
11:54:15AM CALLED "THE HIGH COST OF FREE PARKING" BY DONALD SHOUP.
11:54:18AM IT'S AN 800 PAGE BOOK.
11:54:23AM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT, I WILL GIVE YOU A COPY AND
11:54:25AM GIVE YOU THE DETAILS.
11:54:26AM [ BELL SOUNDS ]
11:54:26AM THE REASONS TO SUPPORT A SHIFT FROM MINIMUM PARKING
11:54:26AM REQUIREMENTS TO PERFORMANCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS
11:54:26AM APPEALING TO ALL POLITICAL LOYALTY. LIBERALS WILL SEE THAT
11:54:26AM IT INCREASES PUBLIC SPENDING. CONSERVATIVES WILL SEE IT
11:54:32AM REDUCES GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
11:54:36AM ENVIRONMENTALISTS WILL SEE IT REDUCES ENERGY CONSUMPTION,
11:54:38AM AIR POLLUTION, CARBON EMISSIONS; BUSINESS LEADERS WILL SEE
11:54:41AM IT UNBURDENS ENTERPRISE, AND URBANISTS WILL SEE THAT IT
11:54:44AM ENABLES PEOPLE TO LIVE AT HIGH DENSITY WITHOUT BEING OVERRUN
11:54:46AM BY CARS.
11:54:47AM LIBERTARIANS WILL SEE IT INCREASES THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
11:54:49AM INDIVIDUAL CHOICE.
11:54:50AM DEVELOPERS WILL SEE IT REDUCES BUILDING COSTS, AND
11:54:53AM NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVISTS WILL SEE IT DISSOLVES PUBLIC
11:54:57AM DECISIONS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL
11:54:57AM SEE --
11:54:57AM [BELL SOUNDS]
11:54:59AM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.
11:55:01AM THANK YOU.
11:55:01AM >> YES, THANK YOU.
11:55:02AM >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.
11:55:12AM MY NAME IS JIM SHARP.
11:55:13AM 1004 EAST RIVER PLACE.
11:55:16AM I LIVE IN 400 SQUARE FEET.
11:55:18AM I LIVE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND I CAME DOWN BY BIKE.
11:55:20AM THE THING IS THAT ONE THING YOU HAVE GOT TO REMEMBER ABOUT
11:55:23AM INCREASING DENSITY IS THAT INCREASED DENSITY MAKES BETTER
11:55:29AM USE OF OUR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:55:31AM WE HAVE GOT ALL THE WATER SYSTEMS ARE BASED ON CODE, WHEN WE
11:55:40AM ADD MORE PEOPLE, WE DON'T OVERLOAD THOSE SYSTEMS.
11:55:42AM WE DON'T HAVE TO.
11:55:43AM WE ARE NOT BUILDING OUT IN SOUTH K COUNTY WHERE THEY HAVE TO
11:55:47AM EXTEND ROADS AND SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
11:55:49AM IF YOU INCREASE DENSITY IN THE CITY, YOU MAXIMIZE THE VALUE
11:55:52AM OF THE CITY ITSELF.
11:55:53AM YOU MAKE THE CITY STRONGER, MORE VIABLE, AND MORE BETTER
11:55:59AM ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF EVERYBODY FROM PEOPLE JUST
11:56:03AM STARTING OUT, TO SENIOR CITIZENS LIKE ME.
11:56:07AM I WENT FROM 1300 TO 400 SQUARE FEET.
11:56:11AM DIDN'T FEEL THE PINCH.
11:56:12AM HAVE BEEN AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE IS GOING TO DOWNSIZE.
11:56:14AM LET'S GIVE THEM SOMEPLACE TO MOVE INTO SO THEY CAN MAKE
11:56:18AM THEIR PRESENT HOME AVAILABLE FOR THEIR KIDS.
11:56:21AM THANK YOU.
11:56:21AM >> I'M CYNTHIA.
11:56:27AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: CAN.
11:56:28AM AS MANY OF YOU KNOW I SPENT 33 YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE.
11:56:31AM WHEN I WHATS HERE THE LAST THREE YEARS ASSIGNMENT I SPENT 32
11:56:35AM OUT OF 36 MONTHS DEPLOYED.
11:56:36AM THAT MEANS I PROBABLY SPENT MORE TIME THAN ANYONE IN THIS
11:56:39AM ROOM, MAYBE EVERYONE COMBINED ARE LIVING IN A BOX.
11:56:43AM I LIVED IN A BOX IN PLACES WHERE THE TEMPERATURE AND
11:56:46AM HUMIDITY COMBINED IS LITERALLY 30º HIGHER THAN IT WAS IN
11:56:50AM SEPTEMBER.
11:56:51AM SO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE AIR CONDITIONING, PUT AN AIR
11:56:55AM CONDITIONER UP ON THE WALL AND IT COOLS AND IT'S GREAT.
11:56:58AM TRUST ME.
11:56:59AM IF THE CHOICE IS LIVING IN A TENT OR A WOODEN BUILDING
11:57:02AM THAT'S GOING TO FALL DOWN IN A HURRICANE, I'LL CHOOSE A BOX
11:57:05AM EVERY SINGLE TIME.
11:57:06AM AND I WAS HAPPY.
11:57:08AM I LIVED AT 7 FEET TALL, 8 FEET WIDE, 16 FEET DEEP, TWO TWIN
11:57:12AM BEDS, TWO WALKERS, MAYBE A DESK, MAYBE A SHELF.
11:57:15AM IF YOU ARE LUCKY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A ROOMMATE.
11:57:18AM I DIDN'T GET THE MEMO TO VOLUNTEER SO I KEPT VOLUNTEERING.
11:57:23AM GET TO KANDAHAR, AND THERE'S TENTS AND CRUMBLING BUILDINGS
11:57:27AM EVERYWHERE.
11:57:29AM THERE WERE MANUFACTURERS METAL BUILDINGS.
11:57:32AM YOU HAD TO BE A FULL-BLOWN GENERAL OR OFFICERS TO GET TO
11:57:35AM STAY IN ONE OF THOSE.
11:57:36AM TRUST ME, THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WANTED.
11:57:49AM (OFF ENCODER).
11:57:51AM >> A SHOWER WAS IN ANOTHER CONTAINER THAT HAD NO SHOWERS.
11:57:56AM BUT YOU PUT TWO OF THESE TOGETHER AND YOU HAVE 400 SQUARE
11:57:57AM FEET. THESE AREN'T CONTAINERS WE ARE GOING TO TRUCK DOWN IN
11:58:01AM TAMPA.
11:58:01AM MR. SNELLING MENTIONED YOU HAVE A TALENTED LEGAL STAFF THAT
11:58:04AM DID MAKE SURE THAT THE CODE, MAKE SURE THE NEED OF THE
11:58:08AM NEIGHBORS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
11:58:09AM I ENCOURAGE YOU EMBRACE THIS CONTAINER, THIS TINY HOME
11:58:14AM CONCEPT.
11:58:16AM I KEEP ARGUING WITH SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE I AM
11:58:20AM ACTUALLY GOING TO BUILD A TINY HOUSE ON A LOT IN SOUTH TAMPA
11:58:23AM THAT'S WORTH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
11:58:25AM BUT I THINK PEOPLE WHO ARE COME HERE, WE NEED THAT BALANCE.
11:58:30AM THESE ARE GREAT STARTER HOMES FOR THESE PEOPLE.
11:58:32AM WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:58:35AM I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYMORE.
11:58:37AM PLEASE EMBRACE THIS CONCEPT.
11:58:38AM THANK YOU.
11:58:39AM >> I'M CAROL.
11:58:45AM IF I HAD KNOWN SHE WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT SHE JUST SAID I
11:58:48AM WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN GOTTEN IN LINE.
11:58:49AM BUT I WANTED TO JUST PIGGYBACK ON WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
11:58:54AM YOU DO HAVE A BRILLIANT LEGAL TEAM.
11:58:56AM AND I'M SURE THEY CAN -- YOU ALREADY HEARD HIM STATE THEY
11:59:05AM DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION WHEN THEY ENTERED INTO THE
11:59:07AM CONTRACT AGREEMENT FOR THOSE LOTS.
11:59:09AM AND I WANT TO ASK YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER TO ENGAGE IN THE
11:59:13AM CONTAINER HOME CONCEPT.
11:59:15AM WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LOTS IN THE EAST TAMPA.
11:59:18AM $80,000 HOMES IS AFFORDABLE FOR FAMILIES THAT CAN ENDURE THE
11:59:24AM TINY HOME.
11:59:25AM SHE SPOKE ABOUT HER EXPERIENCES.
11:59:27AM I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THERE ARE A GROUP OF CITIZENS FROM
11:59:31AM THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH SUN DOG FOR
11:59:34AM ABOUT 18 MONTHS, NEGOTIATING ABOUT THE SAME PROCESSES.
11:59:40AM THEY EVEN EMBRACED THE FACT THAT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
11:59:42AM BLACK WOMEN CONSTRUCTION CAN TAKE PART IN THE CONSTRUCTION
11:59:45AM PART OF IT.
11:59:46AM THEY ARE EMBRACING THE IDEA THAT THE YOUTH IN THOSE PROGRAMS
11:59:51AM WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A PART IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE
11:59:55AM CONTAINER HOMES.
11:59:56AM SOME OF THE BASES ARE ALREADY COVERED.
11:59:59AM WE KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD.
12:00:01PM AND WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT THIS BODY THAT'S SEATED TODAY
12:00:05PM TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION TO TAKE BACK SOME OF THE LOTS, GIVE
12:00:09PM US THE GROCERY STORE, AND CONSIDER THE PART OF IMPLEMENTING
12:00:13PM CONTAINER HOMES.
12:00:14PM THANK YOU.
12:00:14PM >>FRANK REDDICK: COME UP, WE NEED AN EXTENSION OF TIME.
12:00:22PM MOTION FROM MR. MANISCALCO, SECOND BY MR. COHEN TO EXTEND
12:00:26PM TILL 12:30.
12:00:27PM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY AYE.
12:00:29PM OPPOSED?
12:00:29PM OKAY.
12:00:29PM >> CONNIE BURTON.
12:00:34PM I REALLY WANT TO THANK COUNCIL THIS MORNING FOR -- THIS HAS
12:00:37PM BEEN LIKE A GRUELING LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
12:00:42PM I APPRECIATED THE WORKSHOP AND THE DIALOGUE.
12:00:45PM COUNCILMEN, I SAID LORD HAVE MERCY BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A MOVE
12:00:57PM FORWARD.
12:00:58PM THE WAY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IS NOT MY INTENT TO MAKE ANYBODY
12:01:02PM THAT PURCHASES A HOME FEEL UNWELCOME.
12:01:05PM BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SPACE AT THE TABLE FOR EVERYONE.
12:01:09PM WE FELT THAT JUST GIVEN THE CURRENT CLIMATE OF PEOPLE INSIDE
12:01:14PM OF OUR COMMUNITY.
12:01:15PM MY DEAR FRIEND HERE, TAMISA IS HERE TODAY.
12:01:19PM SHE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK.
12:01:20PM HER AND HER CHILDREN, HER GRANDCHILDREN, ARE LIVING IN AN
12:01:23PM EXTENDED STAY HOTEL.
12:01:25PM $1500 A MONTH.
12:01:27PM $1500 A MONTH.
12:01:30PM HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO EAT THE REST
12:01:33PM OF THE MONTH.
12:01:34PM THAT'S THE REALITY.
12:01:35PM PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWNHILLS BORE AVENUE, MUCH BEING
12:01:39PM FORCED INTO SITUATIONS THEY DON'T WANT TO, LIVING WITH
12:01:41PM PEOPLE THEY DON'T THEIR CHILDREN AROUND BUT DON'T HAVE NO
12:01:44PM OTHER CHOICE.
12:01:45PM WE ARE HOPING THAT THE FIVE MONTHS EXTENDED FOR THIS COUNCIL
12:01:50PM THAT YOU WILL LOOK AT HOW CAN WE MOVE FORWARD, A COMMUNITY
12:01:53PM THAT I FEEL THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T STOP THAT TRAIN.
12:02:00PM BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY LEAD OF BEING ON THE COUNCIL, THAT
12:02:07PM SOMETHING AT THE END, WHEN WE OPEN UP THESE MEETINGS, WE
12:02:10PM ALWAYS OPEN UP WITH PRAYER, HOPING FOR, YOU KNOW, GREAT
12:02:14PM DISCERNMENT THAT PEOPLE HAVE, THE CONCERN OF THE POOR IN
12:02:18PM MIND.
12:02:20PM THAT WHEN YOU LEAVE THIS WORK, YOU LEAVE WITH GOOD FAITH
12:02:25PM THAT YOU DID ALL YOU COULD, AND WE DON'T PASS THIS PROBLEM
12:02:29PM ONTO THE NEXT BODY THAT'S GOING TO BE HERE.
12:02:31PM WE PLAN ON KEEPING ON PUSHING FOR A SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC
12:02:34PM JUSTICE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WE DON'T PLAN ON GOING AWAY.
12:02:38PM WE MIGHT NOT COME BACK WITH THIS KIND AGAIN ABOUT DOMAIN
12:02:42PM HOMES, BUT WE PLAN ON MAKING SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THEY
12:02:47PM ARE NEIGHBORS OF OURS, THEY ARE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY,
12:02:53PM WE EXPECT THEM TO BE GOOD PARTNERS, AND WE CONTINUE TO HOPE
12:02:57PM THAT THE NEED OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT GOES
12:03:02PM BEYOND JUST A THOUGHT, THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE SOMETHING ON THE
12:03:06PM GROUND.
12:03:07PM THANK YOU.
12:03:07PM >> AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE SITTING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOARD
12:03:15PM THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST TWO
12:03:18PM YEARS THAT I NOVEMBER.
12:03:19PM I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO MY BEST TO -- HOW DO WE GET MORE
12:03:24PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING?
12:03:25PM LET ME POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR NOW.
12:03:29PM MR. MIRANDA, WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN WEST TAMPA, AND
12:03:33PM TAKING A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE AND RENTING IT INTO BASICALLY
12:03:36PM ROOMS AT $400 A MONTH BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE ANYBODY
12:03:40PM CAN PLOP.
12:03:41PM SO THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS A DEMAND.
12:03:44PM BUT WE, AS PUBLIC PEOPLE, A BOX WITH CONTAINER HOMES, THE
12:03:52PM QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IS WHO.
12:03:56PM I HAVE VETERANS WHO HAVE NO PLACE TO LIVE AND THEY HAVE
12:03:59PM MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS BEING PAID FOR.
12:04:00PM THEY GET INTO AN APARTMENT WITH NO FURNITURE.
12:04:03PM SO WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THAT NEED.
12:04:04PM WE ARE PUSHING FOR THAT.
12:04:05PM LET ME EXPLAIN STOWING.
12:04:06PM I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL BUT I'M 67.
12:04:08PM AND I'M GETTING OLDER AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THE DAY THAT I
12:04:12PM HAVE TO GO INTO A NURSING HOME I AM GOING TO FIGHT LIKE
12:04:14PM HELL, BECAUSE I WANT TO STAY IN MY HOME.
12:04:16PM BUT SOMETIMES I CAN'T STAY IN THE HOME.
12:04:19PM SO DO I HAVE ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO EVER LOSE AND THAT'S
12:04:22PM MY DIGNITY AND FLEXIBILITY.
12:04:24PM SO I WANT TO HAVE MY INDEPENDENCE.
12:04:26PM A TINY HOME BEHIND MY SON'S HOME WOULD GIVE ME THAT
12:04:29PM FLEXIBILITY.
12:04:30PM OKAY?
12:04:31PM BUT THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE ZONING
12:04:34PM CODE.
12:04:35PM THE ZONING CODE IS REALLY A STARTING POINT.
12:04:40PM WHEN VANESSA AND I WERE GOING THROUGH THE VACANT LOTS WE HAD
12:04:43PM UNDERSIZED LOTS OR ODD SIZED LOTS.
12:04:45PM I SAID WHY CAN'T WE PUT A TINE HE HOME ON THIS?
12:04:49PM WELL, BECAUSE THE ZONING DECODE DOESN'T ALLOW.
12:04:51PM SO TO YOUR POINT, IF THE ZONING CODE IS WHERE WE ARE GOING
12:04:55PM TO START SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS.
12:04:57PM SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ANY ONE OF
12:05:01PM THESE PRODUCTS.
12:05:02PM THAT'S THE END.
12:05:04PM HOW DO WE CREATE?
12:05:06PM FINE EXAMPLE.
12:05:06PM AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, I OWN PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA
12:05:09PM THAT WAS BROUGHT -- BOUGHT UP BY VINNY.
12:05:13PM FOR THE LONGEST TIME IN THE WORLD I TRIED TO GO AND SAY GIVE
12:05:16PM ME A TEN YEAR LEASE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE ME TEN YEARS.
12:05:19PM LET ME PUT TINY HOMES OUT THERE, AND RENT THEM OUT FOR
12:05:23PM WORKING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE WORKING DOWNTOWN,
12:05:25PM BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TRANSPORTATION.
12:05:27PM BUT, NO, I HAD TO GET ALL THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS DONE AND
12:05:30PM ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
12:05:31PM SO TO THE POINT THAT'S THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM.
12:05:35PM SO THE OTHER POINT MUCH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS USING
12:05:38PM THE PD PROCESS IS THE CORRECT WAY OF DOING IT ON INNER CITY.
12:05:43PM SO I HIGHLY COMMEND IT BUT YOU HAVE TO GET MORE FLEXIBILITY.
12:05:46PM YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FOR TEMPORARY MINI HOUSES OR TEMPORARY
12:05:48PM HOMES SO THAT I CAN TAKE BEHIND THE RIVER OF MY PROPERTY
12:05:53PM THAT I HAD VACANT THAT I AM PAYING TAXES ON AND DO SOMETHING
12:05:58PM TO CREATE INCOME.
12:05:58PM BUT AT LEAST IT'S PORTABLE.
12:06:00PM I CAN PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT LATER.
12:06:03PM ZONING CODE DOESN'T ALLOW IT.
12:06:05PM THANK YOU.
12:06:05PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SINCE MY NAME WAS MENTIONED LET ME SAY
12:06:09PM THIS.
12:06:10PM I AM NOT SPEAKING TO YOU, SIR.
12:06:11PM WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THINGS THAT SOUND GREAT AND
12:06:14PM WONDERFUL, AND I AM NOT AGAINST NONE OF THAT, BUT WHEN YOU
12:06:16PM START LOOKING AT COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT, AND
12:06:20PM YOU LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS MENTIONED AND YOU
12:06:22PM START LOOKING AT THE STREET, AND I CAN PROVE ANYTHING I AM
12:06:24PM GOING TO SAY, YOU CAN LOOK BE AT A STREET AND SIGH EIGHT
12:06:27PM CARS ON THE YARD.
12:06:30PM NOT ON THE STREET BUT IN THE YARD.
12:06:32PM I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THIS ALL OVER WEST TAMPA.
12:06:35PM THE VALUES OF THOSE HOUSES AND THE VALUES OF PEOPLE IN THEIR
12:06:40PM MIND, THEY WANT TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
12:06:41PM AND I AM TRYING TO KEEP IT IN PLACE.
12:06:43PM I REMEMBER IT WHEN I WAS A KID.
12:06:45PM AND I AM GOING TO BE 78 YEARS OLD AND EVERY DAY I FEEL
12:06:48PM YOUNGER, NOT OLDER.
12:06:49PM BECAUSE I KEEP WORKING.
12:06:51PM THE DAY YOU STOP WORKING IS THE DAY YOU START DYING.
12:06:55PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:06:55PM >> MIKO HOMAN.
12:07:05PM I SERVE AS A MEMBER EMERGING LEADER OF TAMPA BAY WHICH IS
12:07:10PM TAMPA CHAMBER.
12:07:11PM I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER HERE IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND I WANT
12:07:13PM TO SPEAK TO YOU OF SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS I HAVE SEEN
12:07:17PM WITH THE DISCUSSION OF TINY HOUSES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
12:07:20PM SOME OF THE POSITIVES.
12:07:21PM COST OF CONSTRUCTION IS OBVIOUSLY LESS.
12:07:23PM CONSTRUCTION COSTS CONTINUE TO GO UP.
12:07:25PM AND WITH SMALLER TINY HOMES YOU HAVE OVERALL LESS COST IN
12:07:28PM CONSTRUCTION.
12:07:29PM YOUR LAND COSTS IS MORE EXPENSIVE AND WILL GET MORE
12:07:33PM EXPENSIVE WITH THE REDUCTION IN CONSTRUCTION COST TO HELP
12:07:36PM THE OVERALL COST WITH THAT.
12:07:38PM MORE W MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TINY HOMES, YOU HAVE MORE
12:07:41PM DENSITY WHICH HELPS REDUCE THE OVERALL TRANSPORTATION NEEDS.
12:07:46PM PEOPLE ARE LIVING CLOSER TOGETHER, CLOSER TOTAL URBAN CORE.
12:07:48PM THEY HAVE TO DRIVE LESS WHICH MEANS THEY MIGHT NOT NEED
12:07:51PM THEIR CARS AS MUCH.
12:07:52PM DOWN SIZE DENSITY IS YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SAME
12:07:55PM AREA SERVING THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS
12:07:59PM BECOME OVERCROWDED WHEN YOU HAVE MORE TINY HOUSES IN A
12:08:02PM PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SAME GEOGRAPHIC AREA
12:08:06PM AND MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
12:08:09PM PEOPLE ARE GETTING MARRIED LATER.
12:08:11PM THEY ARE GETTING -- THEY ARE HAVING FEWER KIDS LATER ON IN
12:08:14PM LIFE AND THEY DON'T NEED AS MUCH SPACE AND THEY DON'T WANT
12:08:17PM AS MUCH SPACE ANYMORE SO A TINY HOME AS FAR AS THE TREND IN
12:08:20PM YOUNG PROFESSIONALS IS CERTAINLY MUCH MORE OF AN OPTION
12:08:23PM TODAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEIR LIFESTYLE IS.
12:08:25PM NOT HAVING AS MANY TIMES IN THEORY HOUSE, NOT HAVING AS MANY
12:08:29PM CHILDREN SO THEY MAY NOT NEED AS MUCH SPACE ANYMORE.
12:08:32PM ALSO, THE TAMPA REALTORS HAS ABOUT 400 CLASSES.
12:08:39PM THE MOST ATTENDED CLASS WAS TINY HOMES AND AFFORDABLE
12:08:42PM HOUSING.
12:08:42PM THE EXAMPLE IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY POPULAR
12:08:46PM TREND AND SOMETHING I SEE WILL CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT FEW
12:08:49PM YEARS OR SO.
12:08:51PM SOME MORE PARTICULAR CONS IS IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TINY HOMES
12:08:56PM ON A LOT AND YOU KNOW WHO THE LAND OPENER IS IT CAN BE
12:09:01PM DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY OR WHO OWNS THE
12:09:04PM HOUSE ITSELF OR THE LAND.
12:09:05PM IT BECOMES ALMOST A CONDO ASSOCIATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE
12:09:08PM INDIVIDUAL UNIT OWNERS OWNING THEIR HOUSE.
12:09:10PM BUT THEN THEY SHARE OWNERSHIP WITH THE LAND.
12:09:13PM THEY COULD ALSO BE A POTENTIAL FOR A CO-OP WHERE YOU OWN A
12:09:17PM SHARE IN THE LAND PARCEL BUT YOU OWN YOUR INDIVIDUAL
12:09:20PM PROPERTY.
12:09:21PM ALSO, YOU MIGHT NEED SOME SPECIALTY CONTRACTORS, NOT ALL
12:09:25PM TINY HOMES OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT THE MODULAR HOMES WITH
12:09:29PM CONTAINER SHIPPING, THAT REQUIRES SPECIALTY CONTRACTORS NOT
12:09:32PM ONLY TO BUILD IT BUT TO REPAIR IT AS WELL.
12:09:34PM SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING
12:09:36PM TO REPAIR A MODULAR HOME, YOU ARE LIMITED ON WHO YOU CAN USE
12:09:41PM FOR A POTENTIAL CONTRACTOR.
12:09:42PM AGAIN THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE SEEN, SOME OF MY
12:09:45PM PERSONAL OPINIONS.
12:09:46PM I AM NEITHER FOR FLOOR AGAINST TINY HOMES BUT I THINK IT'S
12:09:50PM SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO STICK AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
12:09:54PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:09:55PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER
12:09:57PM 5?
12:09:59PM SEEING NONE, MR. COHEN, YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION?
12:10:03PM >>HARRY COHEN: I DO.
12:10:04PM I WAS GOING TO ASK IF I CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR A STAFF REPORT
12:10:08PM IN DECEMBER, PERHAPS DECEMBER 6th AT 10:30 A.M., TO JUST
12:10:15PM SIMPLY TAKE WHAT WE HEARD HERE TODAY AND TELL US WHAT THE
12:10:19PM ISSUES ARE RELATED TO OUR CODE.
12:10:22PM >> SECOND.
12:10:23PM >>HARRY COHEN: THAT I THINK IS -- DECEMBER 6th.
12:10:31PM UNDER STAFF REPORTS AT 10:30 A.M.
12:10:33PM JUST TO GIVE US AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE THINGS STAND IN THE
12:10:36PM CODE, AND GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES
12:10:39PM THAT WE NEED TO TAKE UP IN TERMS OF MAKING CHANGES.
12:10:43PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
12:10:44PM GOT A MOTION BY MR. COHEN.
12:10:45PM SECOND BY MS. CAPIN.
12:10:47PM ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO THE MOTION?
12:10:50PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
12:10:52PM OPPOSED?
12:10:54PM ALL RIGHT.
12:10:54PM THANK YOU.
12:11:02PM ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?
12:11:05PM >> NO, SIR.
12:11:06PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ITEM NUMBER 6.
12:11:08PM >>KRISTIN MORA: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:11:18PM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TREES TODAY.
12:11:24PM WE ARE, OKAY.
12:11:24PM >>YVONNE CAPIN: 15 MINUTES.
12:11:31PM >>KRISTIN MORA: I REALIZE I HAVE A OF VERY TIGHT TIME
12:11:34PM FRAME.
12:11:34PM I AM GOING TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY.
12:11:36PM I SHOULD BE DONE BEFORE THE BREAK.
12:11:37PM THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS.
12:11:39PM WE'LL SEE.
12:11:42PM (NO ENCODER).
12:11:50PM THE NEW MITIGATION STRATEGY WHICH YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT
12:12:30PM AND I WON'T GO INTO TODAY UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BUT THE
12:12:33PM NEW MITIGATION OF CANOPY FOR CANOPY IN ONE OF THE ORDINANCES
12:12:36PM IS COMING BACK TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
12:12:37PM SO THAT IS IN HERE AS WELL.
12:12:40PM AS IS THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE.
12:12:43PM SO WE HAVE TREE FOR TREE REMOVAL ZONES IN THE NEW PARAMETERS
12:12:48PM AND WE DID OMIT A REQUIREMENT FOR 50% OF THE BUILDABLE AREA
12:12:55PM TO BE USED BEFORE YOU COULD UTILIZE ARE THE TREE REMOVAL
12:12:58PM ZONE.
12:12:58PM AND THERE'S A FEW REASONS FOR THAT THAT I WILL GO THROUGH
12:13:01PM VERY QUICKLY.
12:13:03PM THE 50% REQUIREMENT, YOU HAVE TO DRAW A LINE SOMEWHERE, R,
12:13:08PM BUT UNFORTUNATELY WHAT THAT MEANS IS SOMEONE WHO BUILD MAYBE
12:13:11PM 999 SQUARE FEET WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REMOVE A TREE, WHEREAS
12:13:15PM SOMEONE WHO IS BUILDING 1,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD THEN BE
12:13:20PM ALLOWED TO REMOVE THE TREE, AND THE TREE COULD BE IN THE
12:13:23PM EXACT SAME SPOT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT AND IT MAKES
12:13:26PM NO DIFFERENCE.
12:13:27PM SO WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY SHARP TOOL FOR ASSESSING
12:13:32PM WHEN TREES SHOULD BE REMOVED AND WHEN TREES SHOULD NOT BE
12:13:35PM REMOVED.
12:13:36PM WE THINK THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE IS A SOLID
12:13:39PM ONE, THE CONCEPT BEING THAT IF YOU HAD A TREE CENTRAL TO THE
12:13:43PM LOT YOU JUST CAN'T BUILD AROUND IT.
12:13:45PM AND WE THINK THAT IS A SOLID BASIS BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT
12:13:50PM MARRIES WITH THE 50 BETTERS RULE, SO WE DID OMIT THAT PART.
12:13:56PM TREE REMOVAL OF COURSE IS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES.
12:13:59PM AND TREE REMOVAL IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT IS CHANGING
12:14:04PM IN THE TREE RIGHTS.
12:14:05PM AS NOW RIGHT NOW GRAND TREES WHEN THEY ARE FOR REMOVAL WOULD
12:14:09PM GO TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD UNDERSTOOD THE NEW
12:14:12PM ORDINANCES, A TREE THAT WOULD NOT FALL WITHIN THE TREE
12:14:15PM REMOVAL ZONE WOULD STILL GO TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
12:14:18PM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB.
12:14:21PM BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT HEARING PROCESS THE ONLY -- THEY
12:14:24PM ONLY COULD GET SO MUCH INFORMATION FROM APPLICANTS.
12:14:27PM THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS
12:14:30PM PROPOSING, THAT STAFF HAS AHEAD OF TIME.
12:14:33PM UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE NOTE GETTING AS MUCH INFORMATION IN
12:14:36PM THOSE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD EMGS HEARINGS, AND AS WE WOULD
12:14:40PM REALLY LIKE TO HAVE.
12:14:41PM THE QUESTION BECAME HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT?
12:14:43PM AND WHEN WE CONCEIVED OF THIS IDEA OF REWRITING THE CODE WE
12:14:48PM WENT TO WHAT THE CODE SAYS NOW, WHICH IS THAT IN ESSENCE THE
12:14:53PM SPIRIT OF THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE CODE, IF YOU CAN SAVE THE
12:14:57PM TREE, AND STILL BUILD A HOME, THEN YOU SHOULD DO THAT.
12:15:01PM YOU SHOULD SAVE THAT TREE.
12:15:03PM IF YOU CAN'T BUILD, YOU KNOW, A VERY EXPECTED HOME ON THAT
12:15:09PM LOT, AND, YOU KNOW, AND KEEP THE TREE, THEN THE TREE HAS TO
12:15:13PM BE REMOVED AND MITIGATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MITIGATION
12:15:18PM STRATEGY.
12:15:18PM THAT'S THE SPIRIT BEHIND OUR EXISTING CODE.
12:15:21PM WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN REWRITE IS TRY TO MAKE THAT CODIFIED
12:15:25PM OBJECTIVE STANDARDS, THE GREATEST SUCCESS POSSIBLE, AND PUT
12:15:31PM THAT PEN TO PAPER SO IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, MATHEMATICAL
12:15:35PM EXERCISE OF CAN YOU FIT THE PROPOSED HOUSE WITH MAYBE ONLY
12:15:38PM MINOR MODIFICATIONS ON THIS LOT WITH THAT TREE?
12:15:42PM AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN THE TREE HAS TO BE REMOVED.
12:15:46PM I HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL GRAPHICS FOR YOU.
12:15:47PM YOU ARE GOING TO BE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH.
12:15:49PM IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE -- IT IN THE GARDEN PROJECT BUT
12:15:54PM THAT'S OKAY.
12:15:59PM I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE AN EASY WAY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
12:16:03PM WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS NO 20-FOOT RADIUS GRAND TREE PROTECTION
12:16:08PM AREA, THAT IS SOMETHING INTO A PROPOSED HOUSE PLAN.
12:16:13PM SO IN THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO, THE HOUSE -- AND BY THE WAY,
12:16:17PM WE ARE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF FICTION HERE.
12:16:20PM OFTENTIMES THE TREES HAVE LARGE STRUCTURAL LIMBS THAT WOULD
12:16:23PM GO OUT OVER THE HOUSE THAT WOULD PRECLUDE BUILDING AS WELL.
12:16:26PM BUT WE ARE ASSUME IT'S A LOLLIPOP TREE RIGHT NOW, AND THAT
12:16:32PM IS WE ARE MOST WORRIED ABOUT PROTECTING THE ROOT ZONE.
12:16:35PM ALL RIGHT.
12:16:36PM IN THIS CASE, YOU CAN'T BUILD THIS HOUSE WITH THAT TREE
12:16:39PM THERE, RIGHT?
12:16:39PM SO WHAT ARE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATIONS CRITERIA CALLED FOR?
12:16:44PM IF YOU DO THE ANALYSIS CAN WE SHIFT THE HOUSE TO THE SIDE SO
12:16:49PM WE DO A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE HOUSE IN ORDER TO SAVE THIS
12:16:53PM TREE?
12:16:53PM SO LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT INSTEAD OF THIS HOUSE, THEY
12:16:59PM CAN COME IN AND PROPOSE THIS HOUSE.
12:17:02PM OBVIOUSLY THOSE A PROBLEM.
12:17:03PM SO THE MIRROR IMAGE WOULD SAY, WELL, DO DON'T YOU TRY
12:17:07PM PUTTING THE HOUSE ON THIS SIDE?
12:17:08PM OKAY.
12:17:09PM YOU ARE STILL RUNNING INTO THE TREE.
12:17:10PM THAT DOESN'T WORK.
12:17:11PM BUT UNDERSTOOD OUR CODE YOU CAN DO A DESIGN EXCEPTION AND
12:17:14PM MOVE THE HOUSE UP.
12:17:15PM SO LET'S SAY THAT YOU DO.
12:17:20PM NOW YOU CAN SAVE THE TREE.
12:17:21PM AND JUST INCIDENTALLY AS AN ASIDE, THIS TREE WOULD PROBABLY
12:17:25PM FALL WITHIN THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE.
12:17:27PM SO OF THIS WOULD BE REMOVABLE UNDER THE TREE REZONE ZONE BUT
12:17:33PM SAVABLE UNDERSTOOD OUR RECONFIGURATION.
12:17:36PM NOT THAT THIS HAPPENS VERY OFTEN.
12:17:39PM THAT'S THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE.
12:17:41PM BUT THAT IS WHAT OUR REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION CONCEPT IS.
12:17:45PM THAT IS PROBABLY THE CHANGE ALONG WITH FACT THAT GRAND
12:17:52PM TREES, AS YOU KNOW THERE'S A POINT SYSTEM TO DETERMINE
12:17:55PM WHETHER A TREE IS A GRAND TREE, IF IT'S ONE OF THE SPECIES
12:17:59PM THAT CAN BE A GRAND TREE.
12:18:00PM A GRAND TREE WOULD BE A 32-INCH TREE SO IT'S MUCH SIMPLER,
12:18:05PM MUCH EASIER.
12:18:06PM WE KNOW RIGHT AWAY WHETHER OR NOT A GRAND TREE IS A GRAND
12:18:08PM TREE.
12:18:09PM WE KNOW WHETHER A TREE IS A GRAND TREE.
12:18:12PM THAT'S THE SIMPLE DIAMETER ANALYSIS OF WHETHER A TREE IS A
12:18:16PM GRAND TREE.
12:18:16PM THOSE ARE TWO OF THE MAJOR ASPECTS.
12:18:18PM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
12:18:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON THE
12:18:24PM ART WORK.
12:18:24PM >>KRISTIN MORA: THANK YOU.
12:18:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
12:18:32PM OKAY.
12:18:33PM THANK YOU.
12:18:33PM >>KRISTIN MORA: ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS POINTED
12:18:38PM OUT, WE HAD AN INITIAL DISCUSSION LAST WEEK WITH A COUPLE OF
12:18:42PM PEOPLE THAT WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE LAST-MINUTE MEETING
12:18:46PM TO DISCUSS THIS DRAFT.
12:18:48PM ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP WAS TREE PRUNING.
12:18:50PM WE ARE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO WHAT IS A PERMIT, MOST
12:18:54PM SPECIFICALLY IF YOU ARE TRIM A 4-INCH LIMB OFF OF A
12:18:59PM PROTECTED TREE OVER PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT IS NOT
12:19:03PM CURRENTLY -- THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY A REQUIRED PERMIT.
12:19:06PM THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT UNDER THIS SCENARIO. ONE OF THE
12:19:09PM REASONS FOR THAT IS IF YOU ARE TRIMMING A 4-INCH LIMITS A
12:19:13PM SIGNIFICANT LYMPH THIS TREE, AND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF
12:19:16PM SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE THINK, WELL, BECAUSE A PERMIT IS NOT
12:19:20PM REQUIRED I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.
12:19:21PM BUT THEY ARE STILL REQUIRED TO PRUNE THE TREE IN ACCORDANCE
12:19:24PM WITH THE ANSI STANDARDS AND NOT KILL THE TREE.
12:19:27PM UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, THERE'S
12:19:30PM NO PERMIT REQUIREMENT, I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT, THEY GET A
12:19:35PM GUY DRIVING BY WITH A CHAINSAW, COME AND CUT OFF HALF THE
12:19:39PM TREE AND NOW THEY MADE A DANGEROUS TREE AND NOW THEY HAVE
12:19:41PM CODE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS AND THEY HAVE ISSUES.
12:19:44PM SO OUR HOPE SENIOR BY SIMPLY REQUIRING A VERY SIMPLE PERMIT
12:19:47PM PROCESS, HERE IS THE CORRECT STANDARD, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO
12:19:51PM LOOK FOR AN ARBORIST IN ORDER TO DO THIS LARGE TRIMMING.
12:19:55PM PEOPLE WILL GET A PERMIT AND DO IT CORRECT THE FIRST TIME
12:19:58PM INSTEAD OF CREATING A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEM.
12:20:01PM THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT CHANGE.
12:20:03PM THERE'S OTHER LITTLE MINOR HICCUPS AND COSTS BUT OUR
12:20:08PM ANTICIPATION IS WE WOULD BE MEETING A LOT WITH THE VARIOUS
12:20:12PM STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE NEXT MONTH, AND MAYBE EVEN BEYOND THAT
12:20:16PM DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE AT ON NOVEMBER 29th WORKSHOP.
12:20:21PM SO WE ANTICIPATE AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WE'LL IDENTIFY
12:20:25PM MORE PLACES WHERE THERE'S DISCUSSION AND INTEREST AND
12:20:27PM CONCERNING CONCERNS IN WHAT WE HAVE REDRAFTED.
12:20:31PM BUT OVERALL WE THINK IT'S A GOOD CODE.
12:20:34PM LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THE A MAJOR ASPECT EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT
12:20:38PM TREE REMOVAL, A LITTLE ART PROJECT.
12:20:40PM IF ANY QUESTIONS COME UP I CAN DO MORE ART FOR YOU.
12:20:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:20:45PM ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
12:20:47PM OKAY, COUNCIL.
12:20:48PM WE ARE APPROACHING 12:30.
12:20:49PM WE ARE ABOUT 12:25 RIGHT NOW.
12:20:51PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO MORE TIME?
12:21:01PM >>HARRY COHEN: IF WE CAN HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS.
12:21:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST MAKING SURE.
12:21:06PM I HAVE TO LEAVE AT 1:30 TO PICK UP MY SON.
12:21:10PM OKAY.
12:21:10PM ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO US FOR
12:21:13PM PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 6?
12:21:15PM PLEASE COME FORWARD.
12:21:16PM STAND UP AND MAKE YOUR PRESENCE KNOWN.
12:21:18PM >> QUICK AND SHORT.
12:21:21PM WE WORKED ON THIS A LONG TIME.
12:21:22PM LET'S ADOPT THIS THING.
12:21:24PM MOVE IT FORWARD.
12:21:25PM >> YOUR NAME, MR. MICHELINI, IF YOU DON'T MIND?
12:21:29PM >>STEVE MICHELINI: 2407.
12:21:35PM >> JAMES SHIRK.
12:21:37PM 1004 EAST RIVER PLACE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
12:21:41PM I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO REMOVING THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
12:21:44PM FROM THIS PROCESS.
12:21:47PM PEOPLE WHO BUILD HOUSES CREATE -- THEY CHANGE THE CONDITIONS
12:21:53PM AROUND THEM.
12:21:55PM WE NEED RESPONSIBLE REVIEW OF THESE THINGS TO PREVENT
12:21:58PM ABUSES.
12:21:59PM SO LET'S KEEP THE VRB IN HERE.
12:22:03PM BECAUSE I WANT FELLOW CITIZENS TO LOOK AT THIS AS CHANGE IS
12:22:08PM MADE.
12:22:09PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:22:09PM >> I'M MARY BETTER.
12:22:18PM FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF.
12:22:22PM THE BERT.
12:22:25PM CITY RESOURCES, LAND DEVELOPMENT, CATE BECK, CHRIS TAKE
12:22:29PM MORA, CATHERINE COYLE IN PARTICULAR FOR HAD THEIR EFFORTS AT
12:22:33PM REVIEWING THE TREE COYOTE CODE.
12:22:35PM I THINK NATURAL RESOURCES SECTION, THE SHORT TERM CONTRACT
12:22:45PM MIGHT BE -- FOR CITIZENS THAT DEAL WITH NATURAL RESOURCES
12:22:50PM AND PROTECT OUR CANOPY, IF COUNCIL CAN INFLUENCE THESE,
12:22:53PM PLEASE DO.
12:22:53PM I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
12:22:58PM RETAINED.
12:22:59PM THE NATURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR DESIGNEE, MY
12:23:03PM UNDERSTANDING, WOULD NEED APPROVAL FOR ALL SO THERE WOULD BE
12:23:06PM NO CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE HEARD OR SUPPORT OF OUR
12:23:11PM OPPOSITION THERE, WOULD NO LONGER BE A VARIANCE REQUIRED TO
12:23:13PM REMOVE A GRAND TREE.
12:23:15PM GRAND TREES WOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS ANY SIX INCH
12:23:17PM PROTECTED TREE EVEN THOUGH -- THE TAMPA CANOPY.
12:23:23PM THE HARDWORKING THE OVERWORKED NATURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR
12:23:27PM OR DESIGNEE WILL DECIDE IF CONSTRUCTION MAY CAUSE A GRAND
12:23:31PM TREE TO BE IRREVERSIBLY OR IRREPARABLY DAMAGED AND RENDERED
12:23:38PM HAZARDOUS.
12:23:39PM I AM SORT OF THE UNCLEAR WHO THESE DESIGNEES MAY BE.
12:23:43PM ARE THEY ARBORISTS? FORESTRY PROFESSIONALS?
12:23:45PM A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT?
12:23:49PM CAN'T POSSIBLY DO IT ALL.
12:23:52PM MAY CAUSE A GRAND TREE TO BECOME HAZARDOUS, SOUNDS VERY
12:23:55PM SUBJECTIVE.
12:23:56PM SO WHEN WE TRAIN PROFESSIONALS AMONG THESE ESPECIALLY FOR
12:24:02PM GRAND TREES, THAT CAN TAKE DECADES.
12:24:05PM PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, YOU PUT IN A TWO AND A HALF INCH TREE.
12:24:11PM IT TAKES DECADES FOR THIS TREE TO GROW.
12:24:12PM AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY IN THE SOUTH TAMPA
12:24:14PM COMMUNITY FOR 63 YEARS.
12:24:16PM AND I'M SERIOUSLY THINKING OF RELOCATING.
12:24:19PM I FEEL SQUASHED.
12:24:20PM I FEEL SUFFOCATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON AROUND ME.
12:24:31PM [ NO ENCODER ]
12:24:36PM AFTER LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THE COMMENTS THIS
12:25:11PM MORNING, I'M JUST HOPING THE DEVELOPERS WILL WORK IN
12:25:15PM CREATING NEW HOMES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
12:25:18PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:25:18PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:25:26PM >> I'M CYNTHIA DUNCAN.
12:25:44PM SOME OF TAMPA CITIZENS GOT TOGETHER AND CRAFTED THE TREE
12:25:48PM REMOVAL ZONE.
12:25:48PM IT A ZONE WHERE IF THE TREE IS IN THERE, IT IS PATENTLY
12:25:53PM UNREASONABLE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY OWNER -- LEGAL HAS TRIED
12:26:00PM TO DRAW A CLEAR LINE IN THE SAND.
12:26:02PM IN A MORE VARIANCES.
12:26:04PM WE ARE DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND SAYING A TREE IS OVER
12:26:07PM HERE.
12:26:08PM IF YOU CUT IT DOWN.
12:26:09PM IF A TREE IS OVER HERE YOU SAVE IT.
12:26:11PM THERE STILL HAS TO BE A VRB.
12:26:13PM THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE TREES IN THE GRAY AREA AND THE
12:26:16PM CRITERIA, YOU HAVE TO GET IT OUT OF THIS NEWLY REVISED CODE,
12:26:21PM IS VIRTUALLY NO TREES IN TAMPA WILL SURVIVE CONTACT WITH
12:26:25PM THIS.
12:26:25PM YOU CAN EVEN APPROVE A SHE SHED FOR AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
12:26:34PM THIS CRITERIA SAYS, YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE HOUSE, TREAT THE
12:26:38PM HOUSE MORE THAN 2%, THAT'S NOT REASONABLE.
12:26:42PM GOT TO CHANGE THAT.
12:26:43PM IF YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE STRUCTURE MORE THAN ONE FOOT LEFT
12:26:45PM OR RIGHT, ONE FOOT, CUT THE TREE DOWN.
12:26:50PM IT'S NOT REASONABLE.
12:26:51PM IF YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE HOUSE TWO FEET FROM THE BACK, THAT'S
12:26:55PM MORE THAN TWO FEET, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:26:58PM YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE HOUSE TWO FEET TO THE FRONT.
12:27:01PM NOT REASONABLE.
12:27:01PM CUT THE TREE DOWN.
12:27:03PM IF YOU LOSE A STORY OF THE HOUSE, IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT PART
12:27:07PM OF THE SECOND FLOOR, CUT THE TREE DOWN.
12:27:09PM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE INTERNAL FLOW
12:27:13PM OF FUNCTION.
12:27:14PM I'M GUESSING THAT'S THE FLOOR PLAN.
12:27:16PM SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE FLOOR PLAN IS NOT REASONABLE.
12:27:19PM CUT THE TREE DOWN.
12:27:21PM WHAT DOES SIGNIFICANTLY MEAN?
12:27:23PM THEY HAVE TAKEN OUR TREE REMOVAL ZONE AND CHANGED IT FROM A
12:27:26PM VERY SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA. THEY HAVE REMOVED THE 50%
12:27:28PM REQUIREMENT.
12:27:29PM THAT WAS FOR TINY HOUSES.
12:27:31PM IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A WHO TINY HOUSE THAT'S LESS THAN
12:27:34PM 50% OF THAT LOT, THAT TREE COULD PROBABLY BE SAVED JUST BY
12:27:37PM MOVING THAT TINY HOUSE.
12:27:39PM THAT IS WHY THAT 50% CRITERIA WAS IN WHAT YOU APPROVED, WHAT
12:27:43PM PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED AND NEEDS TO STAY IN THERE.
12:27:45PM THEY SAID IF THE TREE ENCROACHES ON THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE.
12:27:49PM WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
12:27:52PM WE DON'T MEAN THE TREE ENCROACHES. OUR CRITERIA SAID THE
12:27:55PM CENTER OF THE TREE THAT DEVIATES IS ACROSS THAT LINE.
12:27:58PM ANY 8th GRADER WITH A TAPE MEASURE CAN TELL YOU WHETHER
12:28:01PM THAT'S TRUE OR NOT.
12:28:02PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT ENCROACHES MEAN.
12:28:04PM YOU NEED TO KEEP THE VRB.
12:28:06PM YOU NEED TO KEEP NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE LOSING
12:28:09PM VALUE IN THE 500 SQUARE FOOT LAID USE.
12:28:11PM YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE RIGHTS OF ALL PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT
12:28:13PM JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE TRYING TO REMOVE THE TREE.
12:28:17PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:28:18PM WITH IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO WHAT IS A FAIR AND REASONABLE
12:28:21PM CHAIR SHARE, NOT A PERMANENT DISPROPORTIONAL SHARE OF THE
12:28:24PM BURDEN TO SUPPORT THAT SHOULD BE BORN BY INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY
12:28:29PM OWNERS WHO HAS A TREE.
12:28:31PM OKAY.
12:28:33PM CITY'S NEW REVISION, THEY HAVE DRAWN THAT LINE SO FAR IN
12:28:37PM FAVOR OF CONSTRUCTION, LIKE I SAID, INCLUDING POOLS,
12:28:39PM ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WALLS.
12:28:41PM I JUST DON'T SEE ANY TREE SURVIVING THIS.
12:28:49PM THANK YOU.
12:28:49PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:28:51PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE] MY NAME IS MARY LOU BAILEY.
12:29:07PM I HAD E-MAILED YOU A LETTER BUT I ONLY E-MAILED IT TO YOU
12:29:10PM THIS MORNING BECAUSE IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THROUGH
12:29:13PM THIS.
12:29:13PM THIS IS ONE COPY.
12:29:15PM AS YOU MAY RECALL, I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED AS A CIVIC
12:29:18PM VOLUNTEER AND REPRESENTATIVE OF HYDE PARK IN THE PROCESS OF
12:29:21PM CHANGING TAMPA'S TREE ORDINANCE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
12:29:24PM I EXPECTED THAT THE REWRITE OF THE TREE ORDINANCE REVAMPS
12:29:27PM STRUCTURAL CLEAN-UP SIMPLIFICATION AND PREDICTABILITY.
12:29:30PM THE NEIGHBORS, PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS.
12:29:33PM I EXPECTED IT TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE POLICY PROVISIONS
12:29:35PM REPRESENTED FROM THE MONTHS-LONG NEGOTIATION BETWEEN TREE
12:29:39PM ADVOCATES AND THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
12:29:41PM AFTER ALL DIRECTED STAFF TO INCORPORATE THAT IN THE
12:29:45PM AMENDMENT.
12:29:45PM INSTEAD I AM INCREDIBLY DISTRESS BOARD OF DIRECTOR THE TREE
12:29:48PM CODE THAT WAS REMOVED.
12:29:50PM IT CONTAINS SWEEPING POLICY CHANGES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
12:29:52PM VETTED IN A PUBLIC FORUM OR ANY DISCUSSION BY THIS COUNCIL.
12:29:55PM IT GRANTS MIGHTY POWERS TO CITY STAFF WITHOUT APPROPRIATE
12:29:58PM GUIDELINES TO INFORM THEM.
12:30:00PM THE CODE IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FROM AN AVERAGE
12:30:02PM CITIZEN'S VIEW.
12:30:03PM THE PROPOSED CODE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE MOTIONS PASSED TO
12:30:08PM THE POSITION I JUST REFERENCED.
12:30:14PM WHILE THERE ARE SOME ADVANCEMENTS IN THIS CODE IT
12:30:16PM DISAPPOINTS ME.
12:30:17PM THE CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS I HAVE ARE TOO NUMEROUS TO BE
12:30:20PM INCLUDED IN MY THREE MINUTES.
12:30:23PM I CERTAINLY -- THE TIME THAT WE HAD TO LOOK AT THIS DID NOT
12:30:28PM ALLOW TIME TO GO BACK AND TALK TO THE MANY GROUPS THAT HAVE
12:30:30PM BEEN SO INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
12:30:33PM SO WHILE I HAVE MADE CONTENT OBJECTIONS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT
12:30:36PM THE CODE, I BRING THE PROPOSAL TODAY ABOUT PROCESS.
12:30:39PM THE CITY STAFF'S PROPOSED CALENDAR FOR MOVING THIS CODE
12:30:43PM THROUGH THE PROCESS STEP SHOULD BE PUT ON HOLD.
12:30:45PM THE COUNCIL SHOULD TAB NO ACTION TODAY OTHER THAN TO INSIST
12:30:49PM ON THE FOLLOWING THINGS.
12:30:50PM COUNCIL SHOULD DIRECT CITY STAFF TO OUTLINE WHAT ELEMENT OF
12:30:54PM THE DOCUMENTED PROPOSAL THAT WAS ADVOCATED BY THE BUILDERS
12:30:58PM AND THE TREE ADVOCATES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW CODE,
12:31:02PM MODIFIED BY THE CODE OR LEFT OUT ALTOGETHER?
12:31:05PM THIS RATIONALE WITH THE CITY STAFF DEVIATION FROM THE
12:31:08PM DIRECTION ADOPTED BY COUNCIL SHOULD BE SPELLED OUT TO US.
12:31:12PM COUNCIL SHOULD DIRECT STAFF TO OUTLINE IN LAY AMERICANS
12:31:16PM TERMS THE SIGNIFICANT OTHER POLICY SHIFT THEY HAD INTRODUCED
12:31:18PM IN THIS REWRITE AND THEIR RATIONAL FOR DOING SO.
12:31:22PM COUNCIL SHOULD FURTHER DIRECT CITY STAFF TO DISCUSSING THE
12:31:26PM POLICY DOCUMENTS WITH THE CORE GROUP OF TREE ADVOCATES AND
12:31:30PM BUILDERS DEVOTED COUNTLESS HOURS TO THE SUBJECT.
12:31:33PM COUNCIL SHOULD THEN HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP TO REVIEW THE
12:31:35PM RESULTS OF THE POLICY ORIENTED STEPS AND SHOULD INCLUDE
12:31:39PM CITIZEN AND STAFF INVOLVEMENT.
12:31:41PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:31:42PM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE POLICY -- COME UP POLICY
12:31:46PM DISCUSSION, THE CALENDAR SHOULD BE RECALIBRATED IN TERMS OF
12:31:49PM ADDITIONAL REWRITES, PUBLIC SESSIONS, ET.
12:31:52PM I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND ATTENTION FOR TAKING WHAT I THINK
12:31:55PM IS A VERY CRITICAL SUBJECT.
12:31:57PM THANK YOU.
12:31:57PM >> GOOD MORNING.
12:32:07PM MY NAME IS SANDRA BATES.
12:32:10PM BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LEG-UP TO THE
12:32:13PM NEXT GAME OF TRIVIA YOU PLAY WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
12:32:18PM DID YOU KNOW THAT WE SHARE 24% OF OUR DNA WITH TREES?
12:32:27PM INTERESTING
12:32:29PM IN FACT, WE SHARE DNA WITH MOST OF OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND THE
12:32:35PM INTERRELATIONSHIPS ESTABLISHED BETWEEN US OVER THOUSANDS OF
12:32:39PM YEARS OF CRUCIAL TO THE CONTINUATION OF OUR SPECIES.
12:32:46PM TO PROTECT THESE RELATIONSHIPS, WHICH MAKE GOVERNING
12:32:51PM IMPORTANT AS THE STAND-ALONE AMENDMENT, THE TREE CODE,
12:32:54PM APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, AFTER LENGTHY NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN
12:33:00PM REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPERS TWO
12:33:03PM MONTHS AGO ON THE EXPECTATION THAT IT WILL BE INCORPORATED
12:33:09PM INTO THE REWRITE OF THE TREE ORDINANCE, BE SO INCORPORATED
12:33:16PM AS APPROVED.
12:33:18PM THE FACT THAT THE ORDINANCE AS APPROVED APPEARS TO BE
12:33:21PM TOTALLY -- BRINGS UP TROUBLE QUESTIONS.
12:33:25PM WHO INITIATED THE CHANGES NOW BEING PRESENTED?
12:33:29PM AND WHY WERE THESE CHANGES MADE?
12:33:33PM DID THE COUNCIL INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO EXPEND VALUABLE
12:33:37PM WORKING HOURS IN REWRITING AN AMENDMENT THEY HAVE ALREADY
12:33:41PM APPROVED?
12:33:43PM WHO WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS PROCESS?
12:33:46PM AND AGAIN, WHY?
12:33:52PM PLEASE RESTORE THE VARIANCE REQUIREMENT FOR APPROVAL OF
12:33:55PM GRAND TREES AND CHANGE THE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION
12:34:01PM CRITERIA TO ONLY THOSE TREES WHERE THE RECONFIGURATION IS
12:34:07PM CLEARLY AN INORDINATE BURDEN TO THE PUBLIC.
12:34:11PM HAVE CITY STAFF PRESENT BOTH OPTIONS WITH AND WITHOUT THE
12:34:16PM VRB AT THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING SO THAT CONSENSUS
12:34:20PM AMONG STAKEHOLDERS CAN BE REACHED IN A TIMELY MANNER.
12:34:24PM DON'T LET WITH THIS CITY COUNCIL'S LEGACY BE THE DESTRUCTION
12:34:31PM OF TAMPA'S TREE CANOPY WHICH IS ALREADY LOST 2 PERCENT.
12:34:37PM EVERY TREE IS UNIQUE.
12:34:38PM EVERY LOT IS UNIQUE.
12:34:40PM I INCH YOU PLEASE TO RESTORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW.
12:34:47PM THANK YOU.
12:34:48PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:34:50PM >> ANY MY NAME IS ALLISON DATE.
12:35:14PM AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TREES.
12:35:18PM AND I'M CONCERNED.
12:35:46PM (NO AUDIO)
12:35:48PM THE ACCORDING TO THE TAMPA TREE ANALYSIS IS LOSING ITS
12:35:52PM TREES.
12:35:54PM AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LOSS.
12:35:55PM WE NEED TREES.
12:35:58PM THEY ARE PART OF US.
12:35:59PM WE NEED THEM.
12:36:00PM AND THE REASON -- THE REVISION OF THE TREE CODE MUST EXPAND
12:36:07PM REGULATIONS THAT PROTECT THE TREES.
12:36:12PM BECAUSE ONCE THOSE TREES ARE GONE, THEY WILL NOT BE RETURNED
12:36:17PM FOR A LONG TIME, IF EVER.
12:36:21PM AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THE BENEFITS OF TREES, WHY WE
12:36:27PM NEED TREES, WHAT THEY PROVIDE US.
12:36:30PM CARBON STORAGE.
12:36:32PM THEY DECREASE OUR CO2.
12:36:35PM WE NEED THAT.
12:36:36PM ENERGY CONSERVATION.
12:36:38PM THEY PROVIDE SHADE, AND THEY DECREASE WIND DAMAGE.
12:36:44PM REDUCE AIR POLLUTION.
12:36:46PM WE HAVE SOME BAD AIR OUT THERE.
12:36:47PM WE NEED REDUCED AIR POLLUTION.
12:36:50PM WATER MANAGEMENT.
12:36:51PM THEY PREVENT RUNOFF AND THEY FILTER OUR GROUNDWATER.
12:36:56PM THEY INCREASE THE VALUE OF LAND AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
12:37:02PM THE GOAL OF THE REVISED TREE CODE SHOULD BE NO NET LOSS OF
12:37:07PM TREES.
12:37:08PM INSTEAD, MORE TREES SHOULD BE PLANTED.
12:37:12PM SO DON'T LET THE CITY COUNCIL LEGACY BE THE DESTRUCTION OF
12:37:17PM THE TREE CANOPY.
12:37:19PM EVERY TREE IS UNIQUE AS ARE THE LOTS THAT GOING TO TAKE THEM
12:37:24PM ON.
12:37:24PM PLEASE MAKE PRESERVATION AND REPLACEMENT OF THESE TREES A
12:37:29PM PRIORITY AS YOU DEAL WITH REVISING THE TAMPA TREE CODE.
12:37:35PM WE NEED TREES.
12:37:36PM SO PLEASE TAKE THE BEGINNINGS OF THOSE TREES AND PLANT THEM,
12:37:41PM SHARE THEM, REMEMBER THEM.
12:37:43PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:37:43PM [ APPLAUSE ]
12:37:46PM VERY WOULD YOU LIKE THIS BACK?
12:37:47PM >> EACH OF YOU MAY TAKE ONE.
12:37:50PM THEY ARE THERE FOR YOU.
12:37:52PM THEY ARE MY GIFT.
12:37:53PM THANK YOU.
12:37:53PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:37:59PM MY NAME IS LORRAINE CORINO. I'M WITH THE DAVIS ISLAND CIVIC
12:38:02PM ASSOCIATION TREE PROTECTION AND RESTORATION COMMITTEE.
12:38:06PM THIS PAST SPRING AND SUMMER MANY MAYBES OF THE LOCAL CIVIC
12:38:10PM GROUPS TOGETHER WITH TREE PERSONS ARE ORGANIZED UNDER ONE
12:38:14PM UMBRELLA.
12:38:15PM IN ORDER TO REVISE THE SECTION OF THE TAMPA BUILDERS
12:38:18PM ASSOCIATION TREE ORDINANCE, WHICH THEIR ATTORNEY HAS
12:38:20PM PRESENTED TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL LAST FEBRUARY.
12:38:24PM WITH THE GOAL OF MAKING IT MORE PROTECTIVE OF THE'S TREE
12:38:28PM CANOPY THEREBY PROTECTING TAMPA'S EXISTING TREE AN CANOPY.
12:38:33PM AFTER WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF INTENSIVE
12:38:36PM MEETINGS OF STRATEGIZING AND COLLABORATION ALL OF THESE
12:38:40PM GROUPS WITH THE SUPPORT AND AGREEMENT OF THE TBPA OF AND ITS
12:38:46PM ATTORNEY ARRIVED AT COLLABORATION.
12:38:48PM THIS WAS SUBMITTED TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BY REPRESENTATIVES
12:38:51PM OF ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THIS TREE CODE REVISION AT ITS
12:38:55PM AUGUST 13 TREE ORDINANCE WORKSHOP.
12:38:57PM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BOTH PRAISED AND ACCEPTED THIS COMPROMISE
12:39:00PM DOCUMENT AND ACCEPTED THE CITY'S LEGAL STAFF TO FORMALIZE IT
12:39:04PM AND SEND IT TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
12:39:06PM TO ENSURE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2040 PLAN.
12:39:11PM ON OCTOBER 8th THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND IT TO BE
12:39:13PM CONSISTENT WITH TAMPA'S PLAN WHICH SPEAKS TO PROTECT TAMPA'S
12:39:17PM TREES AND REFERRED IT BACK HERE.
12:39:18PM ALL OF US WORKED TOGETHER FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES AND THE
12:39:21PM PROCESS SET BEFORE US IN ORDER TO ARRIVE AT AN AMAZING
12:39:24PM COMPROMISE DOCUMENT TO THE TREE ORDINANCE.
12:39:27PM AFTER IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU AND YOU RECEIVED IT WITH
12:39:30PM APPROVAL WE WHO WORKED SO DILIGENTLY THESE PAST SIX MONTHS
12:39:35PM BELIEVE OUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN REWARDED.
12:39:40PM THE PRESERVATION OF TAMPA'S TREE CANOPY.
12:39:43PM BUT WHAT WE PRESENTED TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 30 CAN
12:39:47PM BE COMPARED TO A WONDERFUL PLATE OF FLORIDA LOBSTER BUT WE
12:39:50PM HAVE GOTTEN BACK IN THE FORM OF THIS REWRITE WITH A KETTLE
12:39:53PM OF ROTTEN FISH.
12:39:55PM AN ULTIMATE CASE OF BAIT AND SWITCH.
12:39:58PM THIS REWRITE BEARS NO SIMILARITY WHATEVER TO THE DOCUMENT
12:40:02PM WHICH WE LABORED SO INTENSIVELY OVER THIS PAST SPRING AND
12:40:05PM SUMMER AND IN FACT GOES THE EXTRA MILE TO UNDUE THE
12:40:10PM PROTECTIONS TO TREES PLANNED AND PROTECTED WHICH WERE IN THE
12:40:13PM DOCUMENT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU LAST AUGUST.
12:40:16PM IT ALSO UNDOES MANY OF THE PROTECTED TREES IN THE ORIGINAL
12:40:20PM TREE ORDINANCE OF THE 1970s.
12:40:24PM DISAPPOINTED DOES NOT BEGIN TO DESCRIBE HOW WE ALL FEEL.
12:40:28PM DECEIVED AND BETRAYED IS MORE LIKE I.
12:40:31PM WHAT IS REALLY CONSIDERED AN OUTRAGEOUS AND SHAMEFUL, AND
12:40:36PM NEEDS TO BE STARTED AGAIN.
12:40:38PM PROVISIONS WOULD RESULT IN -- AS GRAND TREES AND PROTECTED
12:40:44PM TREES.
12:40:44PM IT HAS TAKEN SOMETHING WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED AND REMADE IT
12:40:48PM INTO SOMETHING DESTRUCTIVE.
12:40:49PM IN ADDITION TO ALLOW BUILDERS TO DESTROY GRAND TREES ON ANY
12:40:53PM PARCEL OF LAND IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW A BUILDER TO DESTROY ANY
12:40:56PM GRAND TREE ON ANY NEIGHBORING PARCEL OF LAND GOING OUT 20
12:41:00PM FEET.
12:41:00PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:41:01PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT, TIME.
12:41:03PM >> OUR NEIGHBORING --
12:41:05PM >>FRANK REDDICK: BEFORE YOU COME FORWARD, WE HAVE GOT A
12:41:08PM QUESTION, BECAUSE WE ARE A LITTLE CONFUSED.
12:41:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO DID THE REWRITE?
12:41:13PM ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS NOT THE SAME?
12:41:17PM >> IT'S NOTHING LIKE WE SUBMITTED.
12:41:19PM AND YOU ALL APPROVED.
12:41:20PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS WHAT WE APPROVED,
12:41:25PM I IMAGINE WHAT WE AGREED TO WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
12:41:28PM CORRECT?
12:41:29PM AND WHO DID THE REWRITE?
12:41:32PM >> I DON'T KNOW. I DIDN'T GET THE TIME TO FINISH BUT WE SAW
12:41:34PM THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
12:41:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I AM NOT BLAMING LEGAL.
12:41:39PM I SAW THAT YESTERDAY OR WHATEVER I MET WITH LEGAL.
12:41:42PM AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IT -- IN MY CONVERSATION.
12:41:47PM >>KRISTIN MORA: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:41:48PM THIS DRAFT IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WENT OUT LAST
12:41:55PM YEAR.
12:41:57PM LAST YEAR.
12:41:58PM AND SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE THAT.
12:42:01PM THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN EVERY SINGLE MEETING
12:42:06PM PRIOR TO MS. GRIMES AND THE TREE CANOPY PEOPLE STARTING
12:42:16PM THEIR MEETINGS.
12:42:17PM THIS IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN PROBABLY 30 MEETINGS FIVE OF
12:42:23PM WHICH I HAVE BEEN TO.
12:42:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:42:29PM >>KRISTIN MORA: I DID NOT.
12:42:30PM THAT IS ACCURATE.
12:42:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT GOING TO ASK.
12:42:34PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:42:34PM >>HARRY COHEN: CAN WE SEPARATE FOR A MINUTE WHAT IS COMING
12:42:39PM TO US NEXT WEEK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TO THE PLANNING
12:42:41PM COMMISSION?
12:42:42PM >>KRISTIN MORA: YES.
12:42:43PM >>HARRY COHEN: IS THAT DIFFERENT?
12:42:46PM >>KRISTIN MORA: YES.
12:42:47PM >>HARRY COHEN: THERE'S NO CHANGE TO WHAT WE SENT TO THE
12:42:50PM PLANNING COMMISSION.
12:42:51PM WE HAD SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS OF WATCH WENT TO THE PLANNING
12:42:54PM COMMISSION.
12:42:54PM >> YES.
12:42:56PM >>HARRY COHEN: BUT YOU ARE PROPOSING NEW CHANGES IN
12:42:58PM ADDITION TO IT.
12:42:59PM >>KRISTIN MORA: CORRECT.
12:43:01PM >>HARRY COHEN: WHICH ARE BEING QUESTIONED ADD TO WHETHER OR
12:43:03PM NOT THEY ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY.
12:43:05PM >>KRISTIN MORA: YES.
12:43:06PM YOU HAVE ACCURATELY STATED THAT.
12:43:07PM >>HARRY COHEN: SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE ARE
12:43:12PM VOTING ON NEXT WEEK --
12:43:16PM >>KRISTIN MORA: IS DIFFERENT.
12:43:18PM >>HARRY COHEN: IS UNRELATED TO WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
12:43:21PM AS A MAJOR REWRITE?
12:43:23PM >>KRISTIN MORA: YES.
12:43:24PM CORRECT.
12:43:24PM AND I DID MAKE ONE -- CONE.
12:43:27PM >>HARRY COHEN: JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, WE ARE JUST GETTING
12:43:30PM THIS INFORMATION AS WELL.
12:43:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:43:39PM >>HARRY COHEN: AND I SAID I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.
12:43:42PM SO LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO BE HERE FROM THE
12:43:44PM PUBLIC.
12:43:44PM BUT WE ARE TO TRY TO SORT ALL OF THIS OUT.
12:43:47PM >> MY NAME IS CAROLYN BENNETT.
12:43:50PM I LIVE IN VIRGINIA PARK.
12:43:51PM I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF THAT
12:43:54PM SHE SAID WAS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WAS BEING PRESENTED
12:43:57PM TODAY WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION
12:44:04PM AND TREE SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT THEY BOTH FELT WAS THE
12:44:10PM BEST COMPROMISE AND THE BEST POSSIBLE VERSION OF THIS.
12:44:13PM SO THIS IS WHAT WAS BEFORE.
12:44:15PM AND I, AND PROBABLY MOST EVERYBODY ELSE, FEELS WHAT IS BEING
12:44:20PM PRESENTED TODAY DOES NOT -- IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT TREE
12:44:25PM SOMETHING -- THE TREE PEOPLE AND THE BUILDERS PRESENTED.
12:44:28PM AND THAT IT ACTUALLY UNDOES A LOT OF THE GOOD WORK.
12:44:33PM IN LABOR UNION CONTRACTS, THEY TELL YOU AVOID WEASEL WORDS
12:44:37PM LIKE "WHENEVER POSSIBLE-O" BECAUSE WHENEVER POSSIBLE HAS A
12:44:40PM GREAT INTENT, BUT SOMETHING CAN -- 10% OF THE TIME IT WAS
12:44:45PM NEVER POSSIBLE.
12:44:46PM MAKING IT COMPLETELY USELESS VERBIAGE.
12:44:50PM THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY.
12:44:52PM THERE'S A LOT OF SUBJECTIVENESS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET
12:44:55PM AWAY FROM.
12:44:57PM AND I PERSONALLY THINK THIS LATEST VERSION, ALTHOUGH IT'S
12:45:01PM VERY DIFFICULT TO READ AND UNDERSTAND AND CRICKET WHAT WE
12:45:05PM WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
12:45:06PM I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT UNDER THE CURRENT TREE
12:45:09PM CODE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE LOST 2.1% OF THE CANOPY.
12:45:14PM BUT IN A VERY COLLABORATIVE ATTEMPT, WE CAME UP WITH
12:45:19PM SOMETHING THAT WILL ALLOW MORE TREES TO BE CUT DOWN THAN
12:45:23PM WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
12:45:25PM SO THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT EVEN WITH THE PART THAT
12:45:29PM EVERYBODY AGREES ON, THE VERSION THAT EVERYBODY AGREES ON,
12:45:32PM THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE MORE TREE CANOPY B.YOU THIS IS
12:45:35PM WORSE THAN THAT.
12:45:36PM AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL AGAIN OF HOW MANY MILLIONS
12:45:39PM OF DOLLARS OF FREE MONEY THE TREES PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY.
12:45:43PM SO LOSING CANOPY, IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT
12:45:46PM BOTTOM LINE, YOU KNOW, THIS CAN BE VERY HARMFUL IN THAT
12:45:51PM RESPECT.
12:45:51PM AND THE VRB IS A BIG PART OF THAT, BECAUSE LAST YEAR, 2017,
12:45:57PM 11 GRAND TREES WERE BROUGHT BEFORE THE VRB, THAT'S AN
12:46:01PM EXTREMELY SMALL NUMBER.
12:46:02PM BUT WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS ALL THE TREES, HERE IS THE VRB,
12:46:06PM CAN WE CUT IT DOWN?
12:46:07PM ALL THOSE TREES STANDING BEHIND THAT, THAT DON'T BECOME
12:46:10PM BEFORE THE VRB BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT'S HAVING A HOUSE
12:46:13PM BUILT OR THE BUILDER SAYS I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE TIME AND
12:46:16PM ENERGY TRYING TO GET A VARIANCE.
12:46:18PM I DON'T HAVE THE TIME, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, LET'S FIND A
12:46:21PM DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:46:21PM I WALK THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME OF THE MORE
12:46:23PM INTERESTING BEAUTIFUL HOUSES ARE THE ONES THAT OBVIOUSLY
12:46:26PM DESIGN EXCEPTIONS WERE THOUGHT OF, CREATIVE WAYS OF SAVING
12:46:29PM THE TREE.
12:46:30PM WHAT I SEE NOW BEING BUILT FREQUENTLY ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN
12:46:34PM CUT DOWN EVERY TREE, YOU HAVE A SQUARE BOX, TWO STORIES, TO
12:46:37PM THE BUILDABLE AREA ON A LOT THAT LOOKED TOO BIG.
12:46:41PM QUITE FRANKLY, IT LOOKS LIKE A FAT MAN ON A UNICYCLE.
12:46:46PM AND I PAY TO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.
12:46:50PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:46:50PM >>HARRY COHEN: I WANT TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON
12:47:00PM THIS SCHEDULED IN OUR NEXT SESSION IN NOVEMBER.
12:47:02PM >>FRANK REDDICK: BUT THEY KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO
12:47:06PM VOTE ON THIS.
12:47:07PM WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO SPEAK BUT WE ARE NOT TAKING A VOTE
12:47:10PM TODAY.
12:47:10PM SO, MA'AM, YOU MAY PROCEED.
12:47:13PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:47:16PM MY NAME IS NANCY STEVENS.
12:47:18PM I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
12:47:19PM AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED HERE.
12:47:24PM THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING FOR MONTHS ON A COMPROMISE TO
12:47:28PM TRY TO SAVE TREES WHILE GIVING BUILDERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
12:47:32PM BUILD WITHOUT GOING TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD, KEEP IT
12:47:37PM SIMPLIFIED.
12:47:38PM WE DEFINED A TREE REMOVAL ZONE.
12:47:42PM IT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID IN OUR AGREEMENT.
12:47:45PM IN OUR TREE REMOVAL ZONE WE HAD A TREE THAT WAS IN THE
12:47:48PM REMOVAL ZONE.
12:47:49PM AND THIS ONE, THE TREE COULD BE REMOVED.
12:47:55PM NEIGHBORING TREE, IN A NEIGHBOR'S YARD WITH A ROOF GOING TO
12:47:58PM THAT ROOF ZONE, COULD BE REMOVED.
12:48:00PM AND OF ARE WE ALSO NOW INVADING PROPERTIES TO TAKE DOWN
12:48:04PM GRAND TREES ON NEIGHBORS PROPERTIES?
12:48:06PM I SAW A PROPOSAL TO ENCLOSURE CUT LOTS, PUT HOUSES ON.
12:48:09PM THIS IS CLEAR CUTTING THE LOTS.
12:48:12PM PLUS PART OF THE NEIGHBOR'S LOT IF THE TREE HAPPENS TO BE IN
12:48:15PM THE WAY.
12:48:15PM THERE'S NO VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO DO THIS.
12:48:18PM THERE'S NO RIGHT OF NEIGHBORS TO INPUT INTO A PROCESS THAT
12:48:23PM COULD -- SOMETHING REMOVED FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TREE
12:48:27PM IS A VALUABLE ASSET.
12:48:30PM BEEN THERE DOZENS OF YEARS.
12:48:32PM PEOPLE THAT CARE FOR THESE TREES.
12:48:34PM THEY ADD VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:48:41PM THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT QUANTIFY THE VALUE OF THE TREE.
12:48:44PM NEIGHBORS HAVE A RIGHT TO INPUT ON THE VALUE OF THE TREES IN
12:48:47PM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:48:50PM WE WORKED WITH GOOD INTENT TO COME UP WITH THE WORDING
12:48:53PM COMING OUT NEXT WEEK THAT YOU APPROVE.
12:48:56PM I SUGGEST YOU INSTRUCT STAFF TO GO BACK AND INCORPORATE THAT
12:48:59PM WORDING INTO THE PROCESS FOR THE NEXT STEP.
12:49:06PM THIS SHOULD NOT BE PUSHED THROUGH.
12:49:08PM AS WRITTEN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PROVISIONS THAT HAVEN'T
12:49:11PM BEEN MENTIONED BUT THERE'S ONE IN THERE WHERE IF A BUILDER
12:49:15PM COMES DID YOU DEVELOPMENT AND ONE OF THE PIPES, THEY CAN
12:49:21PM TAKE IT DOWN.
12:49:22PM THEY CAN JUST TAKE DOWN THE TREE THAT THEY FOUND DURING
12:49:25PM DEVELOPMENT.
12:49:25PM I DON'T SEE ANY PROTECTIONS REQUIRED I.DON'T SEE ANY
12:49:28PM VERBIAGE OF TRYING TO SAVE THE TREE.
12:49:30PM THEY CAN TAKE THE TREE DOWN.
12:49:33PM THE PENALTIES, THERE ARE NO PENALTIES.
12:49:38PM THERE'S NO PENALTIES.
12:49:44PM I ONLY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS
12:49:46PM BECAUSE AFTER WORKING FOR TWO YEARS.
12:49:50PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:49:51PM THANK YOU.
12:49:51PM >> HI NAME IS PAMELA JACKSON HENNE.
12:50:02PM THE IRONY DOESN'T ESCAPE ME THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TINY
12:50:05PM HOUSES IN THIS WORKSHOP, AND THE BEAUTY THAT COMES WITH THAT
12:50:08PM MINIMALIST TYPE OF LIVING, AND THEN THESE NEW CONSTRAINTS
12:50:12PM THAT WE ARE LEARNING ABOUT BE JUST THIS WEEK, AND REMOVING
12:50:19PM OUR GRAND OAKS IN FAVOR OF THESE McMANSIONS AT THE SAME
12:50:23PM WORKSHOP.
12:50:24PM WE THINK CANNOT AFFORD TO MAKE A MISTAKE HERE.
12:50:26PM IT FAR TOO IMPORTANT AS AN ISSUE NOT TO GET IT RIGHT.
12:50:29PM IN FACT I THINK IT NEED TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO PERFECT.
12:50:32PM I APPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT ON THIS ISSUE BY THE
12:50:36PM CITY.
12:50:37PM BUT THESE PROPOSED CHANGES DON'T SEEM TO BE THOUGHTFUL
12:50:42PM CHANGES AND HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO KEEP OUR TREE
12:50:46PM CANOPY AND ESPECIALLY OUR BEAUTIFUL GRAND OAKS.
12:50:50PM THE REQUIREMENTS NOW SEEM TO BE MORE MINIMAL THAN EVER.
12:50:54PM MUCH ONE THING THAT REALLY DID STAND OUT AND CONCERNS ME IS
12:50:57PM WHY ARE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA GOING TO BE CUT OUT OF THIS
12:51:01PM PROCESS BY DOING AWAY WITH TREE REMOVAL NOTICES AND THE VRB
12:51:05PM HEARING?
12:51:06PM WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SAVE A TREE, BECAUSE OF THE
12:51:09PM NOTICE IN FRONT OF THE TREE ON OUR STREET, AND TO ATTEND A
12:51:12PM VRB HEARING AND TO ACTUALLY SAVE A BEAUTIFUL GRAND OAK ON
12:51:16PM OUR STREET, WHICH ADDS SO MUCH TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OUR
12:51:19PM IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:51:20PM AND TO EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS LIVING NEARBY.
12:51:26PM I ALSO KNOW WE HAVE SOME VERY SMART AND TALENTED ARCHITECT
12:51:29PM AND DEVELOPERS IN THE AREA.
12:51:30PM AND I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE ONLY CAPABLE OF
12:51:33PM BUILDING BIG BOXES WITH OF NO ROOM FOR TREES.
12:51:35PM AND I HAVE TO THINK THAT IT'S IN THEIR CAPABILITY TO SLOW
12:51:39PM DOWN AND THINK BEFORE HOW TO WORK AROUND THE TREE.
12:51:41PM AND IT MIGHT BE A WELCOME CHALLENGE TO THEM INSTEAD OF JUST
12:51:44PM PUTTING THE BIG RECTANGLE ON A LOT AND TAKING OUT OUR GRAND
12:51:49PM OAK.
12:51:50PM MOST OF US DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME.
12:51:52PM IN FACT I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE POEM IN THIS ROOM SHOULD BE
12:51:55PM AT WORK, MYSELF INCLUDED, SO WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO OUR
12:51:58PM ENVIRONMENT.
12:51:58PM AND SO YET AGAIN THE TIRELESS GUARDIAN OF OUR TREES ARE IN
12:52:02PM THIS ROOM TRYING TO BE THE VOICE OF MANY, AND WE ARE NOT
12:52:05PM GOING TO STOP.
12:52:07PM TAMPA AND ITS TREES ARE JUST TOO IMPORTANT TO US.
12:52:11PM THE REPORT SAYING WE ONLY HAVE TEN YEARS TO SOLVE GLOBAL
12:52:15PM WARMING AND ACTIONS ARE NEEDED.
12:52:18PM OTHERWISE WE FACE DISASTERS OF HUMANS ALIKE.
12:52:25PM HOW IS OF THIS GOING TO HELP WITH OF THAT DIRE WARNING?
12:52:28PM IS TAMPA DOING ITS PART?
12:52:30PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:52:30PM JUST A FEW THINGS REAL QUICK THAT I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE
12:52:33PM AGAIN AND I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT AND I WON'T
12:52:36PM SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT TREES DO TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE,
12:52:40PM CLEAN THE AIR, PROVIDE OXYGEN, COOL THE STREET IN THE CITY.
12:52:43PM I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT MOVING BACK TO
12:52:46PM CLEVELAND THIS SUMMER BECAUSE IT'S SO HOT AND CLEVELAND IS
12:52:49PM SO NICE AND COOL RIGHT NOW.
12:52:50PM MUCH THEY CONSERVE ENERGY, SAVE WATER, HELP SOIL EROSION.
12:52:55PM IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION.
12:52:56PM AND I ASK YOU TO PLEASE HAD DO SOMETHING FOR THE TREES AND
12:53:04PM THE MAJORITY OF OUR CITIZENS.
12:53:05PM THANK YOU.
12:53:05PM [BELL SOUNDS]
12:53:07PM >> HELLO.
12:53:15PM I'M PAM ANTINORI, LIVE ON DAVIS ISLAND AND I REPRESENT THE
12:53:20PM DAVIS ISLAND GARDEN CLUB TREE COMMITTEE.
12:53:22PM WE APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT STAFF HAS TAKEN TO CONSOLIDATE
12:53:28PM THIS TREE ORDINANCE INTO ONE DOCUMENT.
12:53:30PM IT GOING TO BE HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE.
12:53:32PM OUR COMMITTEE, THOUGH, HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME TO FAIRLY
12:53:35PM REVIEW THE LATEST REWRITE AS IT IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM
12:53:39PM EARLIER VERSIONS.
12:53:40PM AND WE DID ONLY HAVE ONE WEEK TO DISCUSS.
12:53:43PM SO WITH SO MANY QUESTIONS I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET
12:53:48PM THEM INTO MY THREE MINUTES BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE
12:53:51PM UNDERSTOOD SECTION -165, TREE MITIGATION METHOD
12:53:54PM REQUIREMENTS.
12:53:56PM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARAGRAPH, "IT IS THE INTENT OF THE
12:54:01PM REGULATIONS TO REQUIRE MITIGATION FOR PROPERLY PERMITTED
12:54:04PM REMOVED TREES AND APPLICABLE PENALTIES BY THE MITIGATION
12:54:10PM GROUP."
12:54:13PM OUR QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY DETAILS ON HOW MUCH THE FINES
12:54:16PM WILL BE FOR REMOVAL PROTECTED AND GRAND TREES WITHOUT A
12:54:22PM PERMIT?
12:54:22PM I THINK IT WAS DETAILED IN THE EARLIER VERSION.
12:54:29PM WE ALSO FEEL CONFUSED ABOUT THE SECTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED
12:54:31PM ABOUT UNREASONABLE RECONFIGURATION.
12:54:35PM AND WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE
12:54:37PM BROUGHT IT UP.
12:54:39PM THE TSS AND THE TBBA DID COME OUT WITH AN AGREEMENT AND I
12:54:47PM PRESENTED THAT AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED.
12:54:51PM ALSO THE VRB.
12:54:52PM WE LIKE TO KEEP IT.
12:54:55PM PERSONALLY, WE HAD INTERFACE WITH THE VRB AND THEY SAVED A
12:55:00PM GRAND OAK AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
12:55:02PM WE LIKE TO KEEP THAT ORGANIZATION.
12:55:06PM ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, ESTABLISHING A TREE TRUST FUND BY THE
12:55:11PM CITY PLANNING DISTRICT.
12:55:14PM FOR DETAILING HOW THE PAYMENTS, EXPENDITURES, AND THE
12:55:16PM REPORTING WOULD BE HANDLED.
12:55:18PM IT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
12:55:23PM I'M SO GLAD YOU ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE TODAY ON THIS
12:55:25PM ORDINANCE.
12:55:25PM WE REQUEST MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE LATEST REWRITE.
12:55:28PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:55:33PM >> THANK YOU.
12:55:33PM >> JERRY FRANKHOUSER, T.H.A.N. PRESIDENT.
12:55:42PM WE ARE VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
12:55:44PM BEING CUT OUT OF THIS.
12:55:47PM THEY ARE DOING AWAY WITH THE VRB WHEN IT COMES TO TREES.
12:55:51PM WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD NOTICE.
12:55:53PM AND WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH OF THAT.
12:55:55PM WE NEED TO KNOW THAT IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO REMOVE A TREE,
12:56:00PM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROTECT IT.
12:56:02PM A 500-FOOT RADIUS AROUND AN OAK TREE CHANGES THE VALUE OF
12:56:08PM THE HOUSES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT 500 FEET.
12:56:13PM I HAD TWO OF THEM -- I HAD TWO LARGE TREES TAKEN DOWN IN MY
12:56:17PM NEIGHBORHOOD RECENTLY, AND I HAVE NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE IN
12:56:20PM THE COST OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:56:23PM BUT I THINK THAT MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE NOTIFIED,
12:56:28PM VRB SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN DOING THE TREE -- WHETHER WE HAVE
12:56:32PM TREES OR NOT.
12:56:33PM AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROTECT THE TREES.
12:56:36PM THANK YOU.
12:56:36PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:56:43PM I WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THE STATEMENTS.
12:56:46PM MY NATIONALS ARE GB AND MY NAME IS JERRY BROWN AND I DO LIKE
12:56:50PM TINY HOUSES.
12:56:52PM AND I ALSO DO LIKE TREES AS YOU ALL KNOW.
12:56:56PM ONE OF THE OTHER MISSTATEMENTS I WOULD REGARDS THE CANOPY,
12:57:03PM OUR TREE CANOPY STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST 10
12:57:06PM TO 15 YEARS, YES, THE LAST ONE DID SHOW A SLIGHT DECREASE OF
12:57:10PM ABOUT 2%, BUT THE ONE BEFORE THAT SHOWED AN INCREASE OF
12:57:14PM ABOUT 2 OR 3%.
12:57:15PM SO OVER THE PAST TWO TREE CANOPY STUDIES, OUR CURRENT TREE
12:57:19PM CODE HAS RESULTED IN NO NET LOSS OF CANOPY.
12:57:24PM OKAY?
12:57:25PM SO WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY?
12:57:26PM BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE CODE.
12:57:29PM WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND,
12:57:32PM AND STILL PROTECT THE CANOPY.
12:57:35PM WE HAD REACHED A MAJOR MILESTONE WITH CITY STAFF NOW.
12:57:40PM WE FINALLY HAVE A REVISED DOCUMENT IN WRITING THAT WE CAN
12:57:44PM REACT TO.
12:57:45PM WE ARE HEARING REACTION.
12:57:47PM THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
12:57:49PM THIS DOCUMENT, ASSUMING IT DOES GET TO YOU FOR APPROVAL, WE,
12:58:02PM AND THE INTENT IS TO STREAMLINE OUR ORDINANCE.
12:58:06PM AND MAKE IT EASIER TO DEAL WITH WHILE IT'S STILL PROTECTS
12:58:11PM OUR CAN OPEN I HAVE.
12:58:12PM THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS IN THIS DOCUMENT.
12:58:14PM THERE ARE SOME NOT SO GOOD THINGS IN THIS DOCUMENT.
12:58:17PM AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THE PARTIES ARE ALL TALKING TO ONE
12:58:19PM ANOTHER.
12:58:19PM SO JUST LIKE YOU, WE HAVEN'T HAD IT VERY LONG.
12:58:22PM WE ARE STARTING TO DIGEST IT.
12:58:25PM I GUARANTEE YOU, IF STAFF WILL SIT DOWN WITH THE PARTY, A
12:58:29PM COUPLE OF TIMES, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 20 TIMES OR 30 TIMES,
12:58:33PM JUST A COUPLE OF TIMES, WE CAN VERY QUICKLY ESTABLISH WHERE
12:58:37PM WE HAVE AGREEMENT AND WHERE WE DON'T HAVE AGREEMENT, AND LET
12:58:40PM YOU DECIDE.
12:58:41PM THAT'S ALL WE WANT.
12:58:44PM AND KEEP WORKING ON THE ON IT.
12:58:46PM DON'T STOP.
12:58:47PM THANK YOU.
12:58:47PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:58:56PM CHELSEA JOHNSON.
12:58:57PM I LIVE IN BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
12:59:00PM A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY.
12:59:02PM I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT.
12:59:11PM TREE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING WAS FOUNDED LAST SPRING TO
12:59:16PM ATTEMPT TO COOPERATE WITH TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION,
12:59:20PM CITY STAFF AND CONCERNED CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN
12:59:23PM ORDER TO TRY TO FIND SO COMMON SENSE, COMMON GROUND
12:59:26PM SOLUTIONS TO ALLOW FOR PROPERTY RIGHTS AND PRESERVE OUR
12:59:31PM BEAUTIFUL CANOPY.
12:59:33PM OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE HAVE COLLABORATED WITH
12:59:36PM THOSE PARTIES TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE FEEL IS A CLARIFIED
12:59:42PM BUILDABLE AREA WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL SAVE OUR TREES.
12:59:47PM I DIDN'T WANT TO USE THE WORD DISAPPOINTED TODAY BECAUSE I
12:59:51PM THINK IT KIND OF NEGATIVE.
12:59:53PM BUT TO BE HONEST I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED AT THE WAY THAT ALL
12:59:56PM OF OUR HARD WORK, SOME OF YOU REFERRED TO AS HISTORICAL
1:00:01PM COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TREE LOVERS AND THE BUILDERS, HAS
1:00:05PM BEEN TREATED BASICALLY.
1:00:09PM I THINK THAT MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS OF VOLUNTEER WORK WENT
1:00:13PM INTO COMING UP WITH OF WHAT WE FEEL IS A COLLABORATIVE
1:00:18PM APPROACH TO SAVING TREES AND ALLOWING FOR MORE USE OF THEIR
1:00:24PM PROPERTY.
1:00:24PM WE ASK THAT YOU POSTPONE ANY VOTE ON THE NEWSPAPER TREE CODE
1:00:29PM REWRITE.
1:00:30PM ON OCTOBER 16th I RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO COME TO CITY
1:00:34PM STAFF AND DISCUSS THE NEW CODE CHANGES.
1:00:39PM A FEW DAYS PRIOR I ACTUALLY RECEIVED A VERY ANGRY E-MAIL
1:00:42PM FROM A LONG TIME TREE ADVOCATE ASKING ME TO EXPLAIN MYSELF
1:00:47PM WITH THE TREE CODE.
1:00:48PM I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE I AM TRYING TO SAVE TREES.
1:00:52PM NOW I BELIEVE THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS LOOKED OVER THE TREE CODE
1:00:55PM REWRITE AND SHARED HER CONCERNS BUT EVERYONE IN MY TREE
1:00:58PM SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING GROUP HAS SHARED WITH M YOU TODAY.
1:01:01PM MANY PEOPLE COULD NOT COME HERE TODAY.
1:01:03PM IT'S A HARD TIME TO GET AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY AND JOB
1:01:06PM COMMITMENT.
1:01:07PM SO I WANT TO THANK THE VOLUNTEERS WHO WERE ABLE TO COME
1:01:10PM TODAY.
1:01:11PM THE PUBLIC MEETING REGARDING THE SWEEPING CHANGES TO OUR
1:01:14PM CANOPY WAS ON OCTOBER 17th.
1:01:17PM I AM GOING TO REPEAT TAMPA INVITATION WAS SENT OUT AFTER THE
1:01:20PM 16th AND THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS HELD ON OCTOBER
1:01:23PM 17th.
1:01:23PM I COULD NOT ATTEND.
1:01:25PM I HAD A PRIOR FAMILY COMMITMENT.
1:01:27PM FIVE PEOPLE I BELIEVE ATTENDED THAT MEETING.
1:01:29PM I DON'T THINK FIVE PEOPLE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL OF THE
1:01:32PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
1:01:32PM I KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE CONCERNED OF OUR CANOPY
1:01:36PM AND MORE CONCERNED WITH THE BE TREE CODE CHANGES.
1:01:39PM SO I ASK THAT YOU TAKE ACTION TODAY THAT YOU HEAR FROM THE
1:01:43PM CONCERNED CITIZENS WHO WERE HERE TODAY, AND I DO HOPE THAT
1:01:46PM WE CAN CONTINUE COOPERATE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ON
1:01:50PM OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM.
1:01:53PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
1:01:54PM >>FRANK REDDICK: LET ME ASK THE 15 MORE MINUTES.
1:02:00PM AND WE ARE GOING TO STAY WITHIN 15 MORE MINUTES.
1:02:03PM IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
1:02:07PM ALL RIGHT.
1:02:08PM SO YOU NEED TO BE BRIEF.
1:02:10PM >> I WILL REACT VERY BRIEFLY IF I MAY, CITY COUNCIL.
1:02:14PM I HEARD A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS LANGUAGE IS
1:02:17PM INTENDED.
1:02:17PM WE REALIZE THAT THE CAME OUT REALLY RECENTLY.
1:02:23PM WE HAVE BEEN TO A LOT OF MEETINGS.
1:02:25PM AS I MENTIONED YOU HAVE OTHER WORKSHOPS.
1:02:29PM THINKING ABOUT THE HOLIDAY, AND HEARING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
1:02:32PM THAT ARE REALLY -- WE PROBABLY DO NEED TO MEET WITH AND
1:02:36PM SPEND SOME TIME WITH TO GO THROUGH THIS LANGUAGE AND HAVE AN
1:02:39PM UNDERSTANDING AND HOPE TO COME BACK WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING
1:02:41PM THAT EVERYONE IS MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH.
1:02:44PM MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE MAYBE CANCEL THE WORKSHOP FOR
1:02:48PM NOVEMBER 29th, MOVE IT TO ANOTHER DATE AND GIVE US SOME
1:02:51PM MORE TIME TO WORK WITH SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE TODAY AND
1:02:55PM TALK ABOUT THE LANGUAGE.
1:02:56PM THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL SUGGESTION.
1:02:58PM >>FRANK REDDICK: BEFORE WE DO THAT, MR. MIRANDA.
1:03:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE] IF YOU PUT VRB BACK IN
1:03:19PM AND YOU PUT -- BACK IN, I THINK A LOT MORE PALATABLE.
1:03:25PM IT'S PAST LUNCH TIME AND I AM GETTING HUNGRY.
1:03:28PM BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT RUBBING THE
1:03:31PM WRONG WAY.
1:03:32PM AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE FROM THE OBSERVATIONS FROM THIS POINT.
1:03:35PM MAYBE WE CAN DO IT BY THE TIME THAT THE NEXT SESSION IS.
1:03:39PM IF YOU CAN DO THAT AND PUT IT BACK IN AND MAYBE SHOW IT TO
1:03:44PM ALL THE PARTY HOLDERS ON BOTH SIDES, IT'S STILL POSSIBLE
1:03:48PM THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT CONCLUSION, THAT WE COULD
1:03:51PM STILL DO IT ON THAT SAME DATE.
1:03:55PM I KNOW TIME IS SHORT BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A
1:03:58PM YEAR AND BOTH PARTIES SEEM TO ME -- AT TO MENTION US.
1:04:04PM I AM GLAD WE ARE NOT VOTING ON IT TODAY BUT THERE IS
1:04:07PM SOMETHING IN THE HOPPER COMING BACK TO US AND I HOPE WE PUT
1:04:10PM THE VRB BACK IN AND THE TREE REMOVAL SECTION BACK IN, IT
1:04:14PM MIGHT SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT SEEMINGLY IS WHAT IS CAUSING
1:04:17PM THIS RIPRAP OF MISUNDERSTANDING.
1:04:19PM >>FRANK REDDICK: LET ME ASK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION.
1:04:24PM IF WE PASS ON NOVEMBER 29, ARE WE LOOKING AT A WORK SHOP OR
1:04:29PM LOOKING AT A REGULAR SESSION TO COME BACK?
1:04:31PM >>KRISTIN MORA: I THINK MUCH THIS STILL NEEDS ANOTHER
1:04:33PM WORKSHOP ESPECIALLY IF WE END UP MAKING SOME CHANGES.
1:04:36PM BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
1:04:39PM >>FRANK REDDICK: SO IF WE DO JANUARY 31st, DOES THAT DO
1:04:42PM IT FOR YOU?
1:04:43PM >>KRISTIN MORA: THAT WOULD BE FINE, YES, IT 69.
1:04:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT A REWRITE -- DO
1:04:49PM WE NEED A MOTION TO THAT?
1:04:51PM >>HARRY COHEN: CAN I MAKE A MOTION BEFORE WE -- I REALLY --
1:04:58PM THERE WERE A FEW VERY BASIC THINGS THAT WERE ASKED FOR
1:05:01PM TODAY.
1:05:01PM AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHY WE CAN'T SEE IF WE
1:05:05PM CAN'T AT LEAST GET A REPORT ON NOVEMBER 29th BECAUSE I'M
1:05:10PM AFRAID IF WE PUT IT OFF AFTER THAT WE ARE JUST GOING TO RUN
1:05:14PM OUT OF TIME ON THIS COUNCIL.
1:05:15PM AND I THINK WE HAVE TO AT LEAST ENTERTAIN IT ON THE
1:05:17PM 29th.
1:05:18PM AND PERHAPS THEY WILL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET US FURTHER ALONG
1:05:23PM BEEF START TO MAKE A DECISION.
1:05:25PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID ON THE RECORD, PUT THE VRB BACK IN
1:05:29PM AGAIN.
1:05:29PM THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WAS EXPRESSED DAP R
1:05:32PM TODAY.
1:05:33PM I THINK THERE'S A MONTH THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN,
1:05:37PM SOME OF THIS HE COULD BE MAYBE RESOLVED.
1:05:39PM >>FRANK REDDICK: WELL, IF THE STAFF WOULD MEET WITH GROUPS.
1:05:49PM NOW, THIS IS OCTOBER.
1:06:00PM DOES THIS GIVE YOU ADEQUATE TIME?
1:06:01PM I MEAN COME BACK ON NOVEMBER 29th.
1:06:04PM >>KRISTIN MORA: THAT'S WHAT MY THOUGHT IS.
1:06:07PM IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH TO MAKE TIME AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE'S
1:06:10PM CALENDAR.
1:06:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
1:06:12PM BUT IF I MAY, WE ALREADY HAVE SEWING WITH THE PLANNING
1:06:14PM COMMISSION, AND THAT LITTLE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE IT
1:06:17PM WENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN IT WENT TO THE PLANNING
1:06:19PM COMMISSION NOW HASN'T BEEN A MONTH AND LOOK WHAT WE CAUSED.
1:06:23PM I THINK WITHIN A MONTH WE CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IF WE
1:06:25PM START A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE, WE CAN SOLVE IT WITHIN THAT TIME.
1:06:28PM THAT'S MY OPINION.
1:06:29PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
1:06:32PM ENTERTAIN A MOTION?
1:06:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND I AGREE 100%. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR
1:06:37PM SO LONG AND IF IT CAN BE DONE IN THE NEXT MONTH LET'S DO IT
1:06:40PM BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THIS THING DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
1:06:42PM >>HARRY COHEN: I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION TO MOVE IT.
1:06:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS TO BE
1:06:50PM PUT -- I MOVE THAT ON THE REWRITE, WHATEVER IT WAS, THAT THE
1:06:55PM VRB PUT LIGHT BACK INTO THE ORIGINAL SECTION THAT WAS SENT
1:06:59PM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALONG WITH THE TREE REMOVAL PART
1:07:02PM AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU CAN WORK ON.
1:07:05PM BUT THOSE TWO ARE THIS THINGS THAT I HEARD THE MOST OF
1:07:07PM TODAY.
1:07:08PM AND IF THOSE TWO ARE PUT IN AND THE OTHER PARTS OF IT MAKE
1:07:11PM IT MORE APPLICABLE, AND EASIER TO UNDERSTAND, I HAVE NO
1:07:14PM PROBLEM WITH IT.
1:07:14PM >> SECOND.
1:07:15PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
1:07:24PM >> THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
1:07:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHATEVER WAS SAID.
1:07:27PM >>FRANK REDDICK: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. MIRANDA.
1:07:30PM SECOND BY MRS. CAPIN.
1:07:31PM FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
1:07:32PM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
1:07:35PM OPPOSED?
1:07:35PM OKAY.
1:07:36PM HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED?
1:07:41PM NOT YOU.
1:07:42PM TALKING ABOUT STAFF.
1:07:48PM (LAUGHTER)
1:07:51PM HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
1:07:54PM HOW MUCH TIME?
1:07:56PM >>LACHONE DOCK: FIVE MINUTES, PLEASE.
1:07:58PM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
1:07:59PM LACHONE DOCK, PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.
1:08:03PM COUNCIL, THESE ARE THE PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
1:08:05PM AND THESE ARE PART OF THE JULY 2018 CYCLE.
1:08:08PM THERE ARE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
1:08:10PM AND I CAN GO OVER THOSE QUICKLY WITH YOU.
1:08:13PM THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THE APPLICANT IS THE DOWNTOWN LPD
1:08:19PM REPRESENTED BY CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER.
1:08:21PM THIS AMENDMENT ASKS FOR THE DEFINITION BY THE CODE, ALSO HAS
1:08:26PM STUDIO USE TO THE USE TABLE, AND IT CONTAINS A MINOR
1:08:30PM CLEAN-UP TO THE CBD USE TABLE FOOTNOTE.
1:08:35PM SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE.
1:08:38PM ANY SPECIAL LANGUAGE WILL BE REMOVED, UNDERLINED LANGUAGE
1:08:41PM WILL BE ADDED TO THE CODE SO THE FIRST CHANGES IN 27-43,
1:08:46PM DEFINITION SECTION, AND PROPOSING TO REMOVE ADD IN STUDIO
1:08:52PM DEFINITION.
1:08:52PM AND THAT IS DESIGNED AS A DWELLING UNIT ATTACHED OR OTHER
1:08:57PM DWELLING UNITS, SEPARATE LIVING, SEPARATE KITCHEN FACILITY
1:09:02PM AND SEPARATE SANITARY FACILITY WITH A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF
1:09:06PM 580 SQUARE FEET.
1:09:09PM THE NEXT CHANGE PROPOSED UNDER THIS AMENDMENT IS UNDER THE
1:09:13PM USE TABLE.
1:09:13PM SO SECTION 27-184, TABLE 184, AND THIS IS A BE PD USE TABLE
1:09:21PM AND PARKING RATIO.
1:09:22PM IN THE DWELLING UNIT SECTION IT PROPOSES TO ADD THE STUDIO.
1:09:27PM AND THE CBD.
1:09:29PM THEN ADD A PARKING RATIO OF .5 PER UNIT.
1:09:32PM CURRENTLY IT IS A ONE PER UNIT.
1:09:35PM SO A ONE TO ONE RATIO. THIS PUTS IT AT A 2 TO 1.
1:09:39PM THEN DOING A MINOR CHANGE UNDER THE FOOTNOTE SAYING WE ARE
1:09:42PM ADDING IN HERE UNDER THAT CRITERIA IN THE FOOTNOTE.
1:09:48PM AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
1:09:50PM >>CHAIRMAN REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
1:09:52PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN I START
1:09:54PM READING ABOUT PRINCIPAL AND ACCESSORY USE.
1:09:58PM I NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT IS IT?
1:10:03PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THE DWELLING UNIT?
1:10:04PM THE STUDIO DWELLING UNIT?
1:10:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, THE DWELLING UNIT IS AN ACCESSORY
1:10:09PM USE?
1:10:10PM >>LACHONE DOCK: KNOW, THIS IS JUST A DEFINITION.
1:10:12PM I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE USE TABLE.
1:10:14PM SO IN THE CODE, DWELLING UNIT IS DEFINED AND IS BROKEN OUT
1:10:17PM INTO SINGLE.
1:10:20PM WE ARE ADDING THAT AS A STUDIO.
1:10:22PM AS A DEFINITION.
1:10:23PM AND THEN THAT WILL BE ADDED.
1:10:28PM THAT WILL BE ADDED IN THE CBD USE TABLE.
1:10:31PM SO THE FIRST THING WILL BE TO ADD THAT DEFINITION OF A
1:10:34PM STUDIO. MOST DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY SUBMIT PERMITS ARE NOT
1:10:37PM USING THE EFFICIENCY DEFINITION.
1:10:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS IS FOR ALCOHOL ZONING?
1:10:45PM >>LACHONE DOCK: NO.
1:10:49PM THAT WOULD FIT THE DEFINITION OF 580 SQUARE FEET OR LESS.
1:10:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHY IS THIS NECESSARY?
1:10:56PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THIS IS A PRIVATE AMENDMENT -- BY THE
1:11:00PM APPLICANT.
1:11:00PM THEY CAN PROBABLY --
1:11:04PM >>FRANK REDDICK: APPLICANT?
1:11:09PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
1:11:13PM CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
1:11:16PM THE QUESTION OF WHY IT'S NECESSARY.
1:11:19PM IT WON'T SURPRISE YOU THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC IDEA BEHIND
1:11:23PM THIS CHANGE.
1:11:24PM BUT WHAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING WOULD EFFECTIVELY BRING A
1:11:28PM SMALLER UNIT POSSIBILITY TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT,
1:11:34PM CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
1:11:35PM MY CLIENT OWNS ONE OF THE SERVICE PARKING LOTS BETWEEN HERE,
1:11:45PM AND THE AMOUNT OF EXPENSE TO BUILD A HIGH-RISE PRODUCT WITH
1:11:51PM A BUNCH OF UNITS THAT ARE OF THIS SIZE, WE FELT LIKE WE
1:11:56PM NEEDED TO GET A PARKING RATIO IN PLACE JUST WITHIN THE CBD
1:12:00PM FOR THESE SMALL UNITS THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPEND THE
1:12:04PM MONEY THAT IS GOING TO TAKE TO DESIGN AND START THE
1:12:10PM PRECONSTRUCTION PROCESS ON THIS TYPE PRODUCT.
1:12:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
1:12:19PM I THINK I DO, ANYWAY.
1:12:21PM BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
1:12:24PM I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
1:12:25PM >> I UNDERSTAND.
1:12:26PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL FOR THE
1:12:30PM APPLICANT?
1:12:30PM ALL RIGHT.
1:12:31PM ANYTHING ELSE YOU WHAT DON'T SAY?
1:12:32PM >>LACHONE DOCK: PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.
1:12:38PM THE SECOND AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE YOU THAT I HAVE THIS
1:12:40PM MORNING IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
1:12:45PM SPECIAL USE AND TEMPORARY SPECIAL EVENT.
1:12:47PM THE REGULATIONS REQUIREMENT.
1:12:52PM THE FIRST CHANGE UNDER SECTION 27-132, WHICH IS THE
1:12:55PM REGULATION FOR SPECIAL USES.
1:13:01PM THIS CHANGE WOULD ADD UNDER SECTION OF 3, ADDING LANGUAGE
1:13:04PM THAT PROPOSES LOCATED ON A ZONING LOT FOR CLARIFICATION.
1:13:08PM SO THAT'S A MINOR REVISION WITHIN THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA.
1:13:13PM THE LARGEST CHANGES HERE WITHIN SECTION 27-282 .16 TEMPORARY
1:13:19PM SPECIAL EVENTS, CURRENTLY IF YOU HAVE A TEMPORARY SPECIAL
1:13:21PM EVENT, YOU APPLY FOR THAT EVENT, AND THE PARKING THAT YOU
1:13:26PM ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE IS BASED ON THE PARKING RATIO FOR
1:13:30PM YOUR OCCUPANCY.
1:13:31PM SO ADDING LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES BASED ON THE PROXIMITY TO
1:13:36PM THE EVENT, WHETHER IT'S LESS THAN A MILE OR GREATER AN MILE.
1:13:42PM IT GIVES SPECIFICS THAT CAN BE PROVIDED.
1:13:46PM SO THIS SECTION, IF LOCATED LESS THAN AN AMOUNT OF A CITY
1:13:53PM SPONSORED EVENT YOU PROVIDE AND THE PARK COUNT CAN BE
1:13:58PM LOCATED NO MORE THAN FIVE MILES.
1:14:02PM IF YOU ARE FURTHER THAN A MILE FROM THE EVENT YOU CAN
1:14:04PM PROVIDE PARKING LOCATED NO MORE THAN TWO MILES FROM THE
1:14:09PM SITE.
1:14:10PM SECTION B ADDED, THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES PARKING
1:14:17PM PLAN SO THE PARKING PLAN DETAILS HOW YOU ARE GOING TO
1:14:19PM PROVIDE THAT PARKING.
1:14:21PM AND THOSE ARE THE ITEMS OF THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE SO YOU HAVE
1:14:29PM TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM REQUIRED OF SPACES FOR THE EVENT, GIVE
1:14:32PM US AN EXPLANATION HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE PARKING, HOW
1:14:35PM IT WILL BE MANAGED.
1:14:36PM AND PART OF THAT IS GIVING A DETAILED NARRATIVE, YOU
1:14:39PM EXPLAINING HOW ARE YOU -- ARE YOU PROVIDING IT OFF-SITE OR
1:14:45PM ON-SITE IF IT IS LOCATED ON-SITE.
1:14:47PM YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A GRAPHIC, AN AERIAL MAP, THAT HAS TO
1:14:51PM SHOW THE PARKING LAYOUT, THE NUMBER OF SPACES, AND THEN IF
1:14:57PM YOU HAVE VALET SERVICE, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE IT IF IT'S
1:15:02PM LOCATED ONE HALF MILE.
1:15:03PM IF IT'S MORE THAN ONE HALF MILE.
1:15:10PM AND IT MUST BE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PLANNING
1:15:14PM OFFICE.
1:15:15PM AND ANY EVENT THEY ARE REQUIRED -- THIS IS STATING THAT ANY
1:15:18PM EVENTS THAT FALL IN ANY OF THE ABOVE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE
1:15:20PM THAT INFORMATION, DOCUMENTATION, AND IF THEY HAVE A VALET
1:15:25PM SERVICE THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION OF THE VALET
1:15:28PM SERVICE.
1:15:29PM THE LAST SECTION IS THE PARKING TABLE.
1:15:32PM SO SECTION 27-283.7.
1:15:35PM WITHIN THE PARKING TABLE, IT SPECIFIES THE TEMPORARY SPECIAL
1:15:38PM EVENTS OF .25 RATIO FOR EACH PARTICIPANT OR ATTENDEE, AND WE
1:15:47PM ADDED FOOTNOTE NUMBER 2.
1:15:49PM FOOTNOTE NUMBER 2 SPECIFIES WHAT COULD BE PROVIDED WITHIN
1:15:52PM THAT PARKING LOT.
1:15:54PM SO WHAT OF WE DID IS LOOK AT THEIR REQUEST TO SEE, AND WE
1:15:58PM CONSIDERED HOW CAN WE ACCOMMODATE PRIVATE PARKING.
1:16:04PM FOR PROVIDING THE PARKING.
1:16:05PM AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WILL FIND HERE.
1:16:06PM SO IT'S NOT A WAIVER OF PARKING.
1:16:13PM UNDERSTOOD FOOTNOTE NUMBER 2 OF THE 20% OF PARKING CAN BE --
1:16:19PM OF THE 10% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING CAN BE OFFSET WITH
1:16:22PM MOTORCYCLE PARKING.
1:16:23PM UP TO 30% CAN BE OFFSET WITH ALTERNATE TRANSPORTATION.
1:16:28PM SO THIS IS IF SOMEONE MAY BE WALKING FROM EVENT TO EVENT.
1:16:32PM THIS IS IF SOMEONE IS DOING A RIDE SHARE.
1:16:35PM ANY OTHER FORM OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ALSO CAN BE
1:16:38PM CONSIDERED.
1:16:39PM AND THAT SHOULD ALL BE DETAILED WITHIN THE PARKING PLAN.
1:16:43PM THAT WILL BE PROVIDED.
1:16:44PM >>HARRY COHEN: THIS IS VERY DETAILED INFORMATION.
1:16:50PM WHAT IS IT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO TODAY?
1:16:53PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP OF THE LANGUAGE
1:16:55PM THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU.
1:16:56PM >>HARRY COHEN: SO WE ARE NOT VOTING TODAY.
1:17:00PM WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO?
1:17:02PM AND WHEN WILL SEE THIS AGAIN?
1:17:04PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THIS IS JUST IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE
1:17:06PM LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU.
1:17:07PM AND THE NEXT STEP IS GOING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON
1:17:09PM THE 19th AND THE NEXT TIME YOU WILL SEE THIS IS AT FIRST
1:17:12PM READING.
1:17:13PM >>HARRY COHEN: SO WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW
1:17:15PM THIS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND DISCUSS HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT.
1:17:19PM >> YES.
1:17:19PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THAT'S JUST THE BREAK DOWN.
1:17:24PM AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
1:17:27PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
1:17:29PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT, NOT AT THIS TIME.
1:17:32PM APPLICANT, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
1:17:38PM ALL RIGHT.
1:17:38PM >>LACHONE DOCK: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
1:17:40PM I APPRECIATE IT.
1:17:40PM >>FRANK REDDICK: INFORMATION REPORTS.
1:17:43PM MR. COHEN.
1:17:43PM >>HARRY COHEN: YES.
1:17:46PM [OFF MICROPHONE] APPARENTLY OUR MAC AND CHEESE CELEBRATION
1:17:50PM IS FROM 1:30, STILL MIGHT BE GOING ON DOWNSTAIRS WHEN WE ARE
1:17:54PM FINISHED.
1:17:55PM OH, THEY SOLD OUT.
1:17:59PM THE REWARDS A LONG CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
1:18:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NONE.
1:18:08PM >>YVONNE CAPIN: NOTHING.
1:18:09PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM ONLY GOING TO SAY THAT I READ ABOUT
1:18:11PM THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AND IT GREAT BUT I AM A LITTLE
1:18:14PM CONCERNED ABOUT BE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN RIVERWALK AND
1:18:18PM ADMINISTRATION WHENEVER THEY BRING IT, DO THEY HAVE
1:18:20PM PARAMETERS WHEREOF IT'S GOING TO BE USED.
1:18:22PM THAT'S IT.
1:18:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING.
1:18:23PM >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
1:18:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
1:18:26PM >>FRANK REDDICK: MOTION FROM MR. MIRANDA.
1:18:28PM SECOND BY MR. COHEN.
1:18:29PM ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE.
1:18:31PM OPPOSED?
1:18:31PM ALL RIGHT.
1:18:32PM WE STAND ADJOURNED UNTIL 6:00.
1:18:34PM THANK YOU.
1:19:38PM (CITY COUNCIL MEETING WORKSHOP ADJOURNED.)
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