TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, APRIL 11, 2019
6:00 P.M.
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18:07:07 >> [SOUNDING GAVEL]
18:07:18 [OFF MICROPHONE].
18:07:18 [ROLL CALL]
18:07:18 >>MIKE SUAREZ: HERE.
18:07:18 >>HARRY COHEN: HERE.
18:07:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
18:07:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: HERE.
18:07:18 >>YVONNE CAPIN: PRESENTE.
18:07:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
18:07:25 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
18:07:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. MARTIN.
18:07:38 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR,
18:07:39 MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
18:07:43 WE HAVE A WALK-ON AND
18:07:43 SUBSTITUTION.
18:07:46 IT'S A DOUBLE WHAMMY THIS
18:07:47 AFTERNOON.
18:07:51 THE RESOLUTION IS APPROVING THE
18:07:52 EXECUTION OF A FIRST AMENDMENT
18:07:57 TO THE ALV CONSTRUCTION --
18:07:58 ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION AND
18:08:01 IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT.
18:08:07 THE SUBSTITUTION THAT DIFFERS
18:08:12 FROM WHAT YOU RECEIVED ON SIRE
18:08:17 IS AT PAGE 2, SUBSECTION "E" AT
18:08:27 THE BOTTOM; PAGE 4, SECTION 10;
18:08:34 AND PAGE 15, ARTICLE 4.
18:08:39 WHAT THE AGREEMENT DOES IS
18:08:39 REMOVE CERTAIN PROVISIONS FROM
18:08:42 THE OLD AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE
18:08:43 STRAZ IMPROVEMENTS TO BE DONE
18:08:46 OUTSIDE OF THE CONTRACT, AND
18:08:50 THEN IT PROVIDES FOR THE
18:08:51 REMAINDER OF THE ROADWAY
18:08:54 CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT AND THE
18:08:57 DEMOLITION OF -- AT LEAST TO
18:08:59 THE EXTENT OF THE PRICES,
18:09:01 DEMOLITION OF THE ANNEX AND THE
18:09:03 SKYWALKS, AND THAT IS THE
18:09:06 EXTENT OF THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF
18:09:10 THE DOCUMENT, AND I WOULD
18:09:13 REPORT TO -- DEFER TO
18:09:14 MR. McDONAUGH WITH ANY
18:09:16 SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU
18:09:17 MAY HAVE.
18:09:23 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
18:09:25 >>BOB McDONAUGH: GOOD EVENING,
18:09:26 COUNCIL.
18:09:28 BOB McDONAUGH, ECONOMIC
18:09:28 DEVELOPMENT.
18:09:30 THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS
18:09:33 RAISED EARLIER TODAY ABOUT SOME
18:09:33 ISSUES.
18:09:33 I THINK WE'VE WADED THROUGH
18:09:33 SOME OF THEM.
18:09:33 THERE MIGHT BE A COUPLE
18:09:34 OUTSTANDING, ONE OF WHICH HAD
18:09:35 TO DO WITH THE ABILITY TO
18:09:38 EXPAND THE ARRIVAL PLAZA, AND I
18:09:40 CC'D YOU ON AN EMAIL SAYING
18:09:42 THAT WE WOULD REMOVE ANY
18:09:44 OBJECTIONS THAT WE HAD TO THAT.
18:09:47 IT WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT
18:09:49 -- YOU KNOW, IT WAS DEVOLVING A
18:09:51 LITTLE BIT INTO A HE SAID/SHE
18:09:54 SAID, AND SOMEONE SAID, YOU
18:09:55 KNOW, IS SOME OF THIS IN
18:09:57 WRITING THAT WE COULD SHARE, SO
18:09:58 WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK
18:10:00 MS. HEALY, WHO REPRESENTS THE
18:10:01 DEVELOPER, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
18:10:02 ABOUT AN AGREEMENT THAT EXISTS
18:10:05 BETWEEN THE STRAZ AND THE
18:10:17 DEVELOPER, IF YOU PLEASE.
18:10:17 >> GOOD EVENING.
18:10:20 MARILYN HEALY, 401 EAST JACKSON
18:10:21 STREET, REPRESENTING ALV
18:10:24 RESIDENCES ON THE RIVER, WHO IS
18:10:27 THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT.
18:10:30 THERE WAS A LOT KIND OF GOING
18:10:32 ON THIS MORNING IN COMMENTS
18:10:35 MADE AT THE CRA ABOUT DIFFERING
18:10:37 IMPROVEMENTS AND PEOPLE NOT
18:10:39 GETTING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, AND
18:10:43 THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION WAS
18:10:45 PRETTY CONFUSING TO US BECAUSE
18:10:46 SINCE WE HAVE STARTED THIS
18:10:48 WHOLE PROJECT, IF YOU ALL WILL
18:10:49 REMEMBER -- SEVERAL OF YOU WERE
18:10:51 ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME --
18:10:52 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I THINK SIX
18:10:52 YEARS AGO.
18:10:54 >> -- WE HAD OUR ZONING
18:10:54 APPROVAL.
18:10:58 WELL, LATER IN 2017, THE STRAZ
18:11:00 APPROACHED THE DEVELOPER, ALV
18:11:02 RESIDENCES, AND SAID WE'D LIKE
18:11:05 A FORMAL AGREEMENT SO THAT IT'S
18:11:07 CLEAR WHO'S DOING WHAT, WHAT'S
18:11:09 EXPECTED, HOW WE PERFORM
18:11:10 TOGETHER, HOW WE WORK TOGETHER
18:11:12 BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR BEST
18:11:14 INTERESTS AS WELL.
18:11:16 HOPEFULLY OUR BEAUTIFUL TOWER
18:11:19 IS GOING TO BE A GREAT AMENITY
18:11:21 TO THE STRAZ AND VICE VERSA AND
18:11:23 THEN ALL ALONG THE RIVERWALK,
18:11:23 IT'S CRITICAL.
18:11:25 IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.
18:11:26 WE HAVE BEEN IN LITIGATION FOR
18:11:27 TWO AND A HALF YEARS,
18:11:30 SUCCESSFULLY ON THE SAME SIDE
18:11:30 OF THE CITY.
18:11:32 WE'VE LOOKED AT ROAD PLANS AND
18:11:37 ROAD NETWORKS GET REDESIGNED BY
18:11:37 THE CITY, AND WE HAVE BEEN HERE
18:11:37 AND EXPENDED A LOT OF MONEY TO
18:11:38 WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH
18:11:40 EVERYBODY ON THAT.
18:11:41 WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO
18:11:47 INTRODUCE OUR AGREEMENT WITH
18:11:47 THE STRAZ.
18:11:49 THIS IS THE ONE WE DID AFTER
18:11:51 OUR ZONE, AND IT SAYS IN THERE
18:11:52 THAT WE ARE GOING TO COOPERATE
18:11:53 AND WE'RE GOING TO DO CERTAIN
18:11:55 THINGS AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE
18:11:56 A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL
18:11:59 CONTRIBUTION TO BOTH THE
18:12:01 ARRIVAL PLAZA AND THE STRAZ IN
18:12:05 GENERAL, SO AT THAT POINT, WE
18:12:07 HAVE ALSO HAD DIFFERING
18:12:09 REQUESTS OVER THE TIME FROM THE
18:12:10 STRAZ FOR MATTERS THAT ARE NOT
18:12:11 IN THE AGREEMENT, AND TO THE
18:12:13 EXTENT THAT WE CAN, WE TRY TO
18:12:16 ACCOMMODATE THOSE, AND WE WILL
18:12:17 CONTINUE TO DO SO.
18:12:20 WE GOT ANOTHER LIST OF
18:12:24 QUESTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, I
18:12:26 DON'T KNOW, AT 3:30, 4:00
18:12:28 TONIGHT, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD A
18:12:29 CHANCE TO ADDRESS, AND
18:12:31 MR. SHEPARD JUST GAVE TO ME.
18:12:35 SO HERE'S WHAT I CAN COMMIT TO
18:12:36 YOU.
18:12:37 WE WILL CONTINUE TO HONOR OUR
18:12:39 AGREEMENT, WE WILL CONTINUE TO
18:12:40 WORK IN GOOD FAITH FOR THOSE
18:12:41 MATTERS AND COOPERATE, NOT JUST
18:12:46 WITH THE CITY BUT ALSO WITH THE
18:12:48 STRAZ, AND WE HOPE YOU APPROVE
18:12:49 THIS AGREEMENT TONIGHT BECAUSE
18:12:51 THERE'S A LOT OF WORK, TIME,
18:12:52 AND EFFORT TO MAKE THIS WHOLE
18:12:54 NETWORK ROADWAY PLAN WORK JUST
18:12:56 LIKE THE INVISION PLAN,
18:12:58 INVISION SO MANY YEARS AGO, SO
18:13:00 I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY
18:13:05 QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, AND
18:13:07 I'M SORRY THAT IT'S OUR LAST
18:13:09 MEETING, BUT PLEASE APPROVE THE
18:13:09 AGREEMENT.
18:13:10 THANK YOU.
18:13:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS
18:13:14 FROM COUNCIL?
18:13:16 >>HARRY COHEN: NOT YET.
18:13:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
18:13:26 SOMEONE FROM STRAZ?
18:13:28 THE GENTLEMAN FROM STRAZ.
18:13:30 >>MIKE SUAREZ: IF I COULD,
18:13:31 BEFORE WE ASK THE FOLKS FROM
18:13:34 THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER,
18:13:35 MR. McDONAUGH, I JUST WANT TO
18:13:35 MAKE SURE.
18:13:37 I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
18:13:37 YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE FIRST
18:13:38 AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT, THE
18:13:39 ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION
18:13:41 IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT AND THIS
18:13:42 OTHER AGREEMENT THAT WAS JUST
18:13:44 GIVEN TO US BY MS. HEALY ARE
18:13:45 TWO SEPARATE AGREEMENTS IN
18:13:46 RELATION TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING
18:13:48 TO DO, MEANING THAT THE FIRST
18:13:50 ONE GIVEN TO US -- EXCUSE ME --
18:13:52 GIVEN TO US BY YOU IS REALLY
18:13:52 THE THING THAT WE'RE APPROVING
18:13:53 TONIGHT?
18:13:54 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
18:13:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: THE SECOND ONE
18:13:57 IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
18:13:58 DEVELOPER AND THE PERFORMING
18:13:59 ARTS CENTER IN RELATION TO SOME
18:14:01 OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP?
18:14:03 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
18:14:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
18:14:06 I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
18:14:07 THE ONLY CHANGES -- BECAUSE
18:14:08 THERE ARE SOME CHANGES ON I
18:14:09 GUESS IT'S THE FIRST
18:14:09 AMENDMENT --
18:14:10 >> YES, SIR.
18:14:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: -- WAS THE ONES
18:14:13 THAT YOU MENTIONED, WHICH WAS,
18:14:15 I BELIEVE, ON PAGE 2, WAS IT
18:14:17 SUB "B" THAT YOU HAD ON THERE?
18:14:24 I THINK MR. MARTIN SAID --
18:14:26 >> IT'S 6-E.
18:14:28 >>MIKE SUAREZ: 6-E, I
18:14:30 APOLOGIZE.
18:14:31 >> IT ESSENTIALLY CHANGED IN
18:14:32 ITS ENTIRETY.
18:14:33 >>MIKE SUAREZ: GOT IT.
18:14:34 I THINK WE HAD A COUPLE OF
18:14:36 OTHER PLACES, BUT IN
18:14:39 TOTALITY --
18:14:39 >> AND ANOTHER CHANGE HAS TO DO
18:14:39 WITH THE PROVIDING WRITTEN
18:14:40 NOTICE OF ANY ASSIGNMENTS TO
18:14:41 THIRD PARTIES BECAUSE WE
18:14:42 ALREADY KNOW THIS WILL PROBABLY
18:14:44 END UP WITH AN ASSIGNMENT TO AN
18:14:46 AFFILIATED ENTITY, AND THEN
18:14:47 THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE
18:14:48 PROPOSED ESCROW AGREEMENT,
18:14:50 WHICH IS AN ATTACHMENT, HAVING
18:14:51 TO DO WITH FINAL PAYMENT.
18:14:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: RIGHT.
18:14:55 SO MUCH OF IT IS MINISTERIAL IN
18:14:56 SOME NATURE BY VIRTUE OF THE
18:14:57 WAY THE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN SET
18:14:58 UP.
18:14:59 WE'VE CHANGED THE AGREEMENT A
18:15:01 LITTLE BIT BASED ON CERTAIN
18:15:02 CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE AGREED
18:15:03 TO WITH THE DEVELOPER
18:15:05 CONCERNING THIS; CORRECT?
18:15:05 >> CORRECT.
18:15:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
18:15:07 I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
18:15:09 I GOT THAT FROM YOU, BUT I
18:15:10 WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT IT
18:15:11 STRAIGHT FROM -- I WON'T SAY
18:15:13 THE HORSE'S MOUTH BUT FROM
18:15:16 MR. McDONAUGH'S MOUTH, AND I
18:15:17 THINK MR. SHEPARD WILL BE HERE
18:15:18 TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
18:15:18 THE OTHER THINGS.
18:15:19 THANK YOU, CHAIR.
18:15:21 >> BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO JUST
18:15:26 MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS BASED ON
18:15:27 MARILYN HEALY'S STATEMENT.
18:15:28 THIS AFTERNOON, WE SENT
18:15:32 REFINEMENTS OF ISSUES THAT HAVE
18:15:33 BEEN BOILED DOWN TO ESSENTIALLY
18:15:38 NINE ISSUES FROM A THREE-PAGE
18:15:41 LETTER THAT WE SENT TO THE
18:15:43 DEVELOPER ON MARCH 27th TO
18:15:46 WHICH WE'VE HAD NO RESPONSE,
18:15:49 OKAY, SO MARCH 27th, WELL OVER
18:15:51 A MONTH AGO.
18:15:52 ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT SHE
18:15:54 MENTIONED THAT WE PASSED ON
18:15:55 TODAY WERE DELIVERED IN THEIR
18:15:57 FIRST FORM.
18:15:59 NOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY
18:16:02 WITH BOB McDONAUGH TO NEGOTIATE
18:16:03 THE COMPONENTS THAT THE CITY IS
18:16:05 MANAGING, THE ROADWAY
18:16:06 COMPONENTS AND ALL THAT, AND
18:16:07 WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS
18:16:11 THERE, BY THE WAY, BUT WE'RE
18:16:12 NOT HEARING ANYTHING.
18:16:14 I DID GET A RESPONSE FROM
18:16:16 GRANDVILLE YESTERDAY THAT
18:16:17 REQUIRED SOME CONTINUED
18:16:20 NEGOTIATION ON OUR PART.
18:16:22 I HAVE ABOUT FIVE, SIX ITEMS
18:16:24 FOR HIM TO RESPOND TO, AND HE'S
18:16:26 INDICATED THAT HE WON'T BE ABLE
18:16:28 TO RESPOND THIS EVENING.
18:16:30 SO HERE WE ARE, WE'RE AT THE
18:16:31 11th HOUR.
18:16:33 THERE'S A BIG PARTY TO THIS
18:16:34 AGREEMENT WHO ISN'T IN THE
18:16:35 ROOM, AND BY THE WAY, WHENEVER
18:16:39 WE DO SPEAK WITH HIM, IT ALWAYS
18:16:41 HAS POSITIVE OUTCOMES, BUT
18:16:42 THERE ARE THESE GREAT LENGTHS
18:16:44 OF TIME, AND THEY'RE USUALLY --
18:16:45 AND USUALLY WHEN SOMETHING GETS
18:16:46 DONE IS WHEN THERE'S A DEADLINE
18:16:49 THAT'S COMING REALLY CLOSE, NOT
18:16:50 THE KIND OF TIME THAT YOU WANT
18:16:52 TO SPEND NEGOTIATING SOMETHING,
18:16:52 DEVELOPING SOMETHING AS MAJOR
18:16:54 AS THIS PROJECT IS.
18:16:56 IT'S ALL DOWN TO THE LAST WIRE
18:16:58 BEFORE YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON
18:16:59 SOMETHING.
18:17:01 WE'VE GIVEN HIM EVERY
18:17:02 OPPORTUNITY AND GREAT LENGTHS
18:17:03 OF TIME.
18:17:04 THERE WAS A TIME WE DIDN'T HEAR
18:17:08 FROM HIM FOR A YEAR AND THREE
18:17:10 MONTHS ON A MATTER, AND THERE
18:17:11 WAS NO LITIGATION OR ANYTHING
18:17:12 GOING ON THEN.
18:17:15 IT JUST -- NOTHING, NOTHING
18:17:16 COMING BACK.
18:17:19 SO I'M SORRY, BUT WE -- WE
18:17:22 RESPOND WITHIN HOURS OF
18:17:23 RECEIVING SOMETHING AND MAYBE A
18:17:26 DAY OR TWO, BUT OFTENTIMES WE
18:17:28 DON'T HEAR FOR MANY HOURS.
18:17:29 I HAVE A BOARD MEMBER WHO'S
18:17:31 WITH ME HERE WHO'S WORKED SIDE
18:17:32 BY SIDE WITH ME ON THIS PROJECT
18:17:33 WHO'D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOU AS
18:17:37 WELL.
18:17:37 THANK YOU.
18:17:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
18:17:38 IF I COULD, CHAIR, BEFORE WE GO
18:17:39 FORWARD, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT
18:17:40 THE STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE
18:17:43 BY MS. HEALY ARE SOMETHING THAT
18:17:44 ARE NOT -- I WON'T SAY NOT AN
18:17:45 AGREEMENT BUT SOMETHING THAT
18:17:47 YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE IN
18:17:48 ADDITION TO WHAT SHE HAS
18:17:50 ALREADY PRESENTED TO US, IS
18:17:51 THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
18:17:51 >> THIS AFTERNOON I FORWARDED
18:17:53 YOU WHAT I FORWARDED TO THE
18:17:54 DEVELOPER --
18:17:55 >>MIKE SUAREZ: RIGHT.
18:17:57 >> -- AS WELL AS TO BOB
18:17:58 McDONAUGH.
18:17:59 SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THERE ARE
18:18:02 CITY ITEMS AND SOME OF THEM ARE
18:18:03 DEVELOPER ITEMS.
18:18:04 THE CITY DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE
18:18:05 THE CAPABILITY, AND RIGHTFULLY
18:18:07 SO, TO COMMENT ON CONDITIONS
18:18:08 THAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
18:18:09 THE DEVELOPER, AND THE
18:18:10 DEVELOPER'S NOT HERE.
18:18:11 >>MIKE SUAREZ: YOU KNOW, IF I
18:18:13 COULD, MR. SHEPARD, I WANT TO
18:18:16 ASK MR. MARTIN A QUESTION, AND
18:18:17 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JUST HIT
18:18:20 ME NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY,
18:18:21 BUT I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE
18:18:24 BOTTOM OF THIS REAL QUICK.
18:18:29 THE STRAZ IS -- THE STRAZ HAS
18:18:31 AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY IN
18:18:32 ORDER TO OPERATE ON THAT
18:18:33 PROPERTY THAT -- I MEAN, WE
18:18:33 OWN --
18:18:35 >> WE HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE
18:18:37 WITH THE STRAZ TO OPERATE THE
18:18:39 FACILITY AS A CULTURAL
18:18:41 FACILITY.
18:18:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
18:18:43 ARE THERE ANY RIGHTS THAT THE
18:18:44 CITY HAS IN RELATION TO
18:18:45 NEGOTIATING THESE KIND OF
18:18:48 CONDITIONS IN RELATION TO SOME
18:18:49 OF THE REQUESTS THAT THE
18:18:52 OPERATOR HAS IN RELATION TO THE
18:18:53 -- THAT ORIGINAL AGREEMENT?
18:18:58 >> IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE NO
18:19:01 CAPACITY TO NEGOTIATE THINGS
18:19:04 THAT ARE PERTINENT TO THE
18:19:06 POSSESSORY INTEREST OF THE
18:19:07 STRAZ OPERATION --
18:19:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: MEANING THE CITY
18:19:09 DOESN'T?
18:19:10 >> -- WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO
18:19:12 WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF THE FEE
18:19:13 BY THE CITY.
18:19:14 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
18:19:14 YEAH.
18:19:15 BECAUSE WE OWN THE PERFORMING
18:19:16 ARTS CENTER.
18:19:19 THEY ARE -- THE STRAZ AS AN
18:19:22 ENTITY IS THE OPERATOR OF THAT
18:19:23 PARTICULAR ENTITY.
18:19:24 THEY GAIN DOLLARS AND DO ALL
18:19:25 THE OTHER PROGRAMMING NECESSARY
18:19:30 IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WHAT IT IS,
18:19:31 BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO
18:19:33 NEGOTIATE THESE KIND OF
18:19:34 REQUESTS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT.
18:19:36 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
18:19:37 THAT'S CORRECT.
18:19:38 >> ABSOLUTELY.
18:19:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
18:19:40 THANK YOU.
18:19:40 THANK YOU, CHAIR.
18:19:42 >>HARRY COHEN: I JUST WANT TO
18:19:43 MAKE THE COMMENT BECAUSE IAN
18:19:44 BROUGHT THIS OUT TO ME, AND YOU
18:19:45 SENT IT TO US THIS AFTERNOON,
18:19:47 AND I JUST SAW IT FOR THE FIRST
18:19:48 TIME, BUT THIS IS THE LIST OF
18:19:49 THE NINE ITEMS.
18:19:51 AND, I MEAN, IT LOOKS TO ME
18:19:52 THAT THESE ARE, LIKE, VERY
18:20:01 TECHNICAL SORT OF FINE POINTS
18:20:03 OF -- YOU KNOW, WIDTH OF A
18:20:04 STAIRWAY, WHETHER OR NOT THERE
18:20:06 WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER A
18:20:07 LANE IS GOING TO BE A RIGHT
18:20:08 TURN OR A FOLLOW-THROUGH,
18:20:10 WHETHER AN ELEVATOR IS GOING TO
18:20:11 BE TO GRADE.
18:20:15 I MEAN, MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN
18:20:16 THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE
18:20:20 WOULD NORMALLY GET INTO EVEN --
18:20:21 EVEN CONSIDERING, AND I DON'T
18:20:26 EVEN KNOW -- I'M NOT REALLY
18:20:28 SURE -- I'M NOT REALLY SURE
18:20:32 WHAT THE APPROPRIATE -- WHAT
18:20:33 OUR APPROPRIATE RESPONSE --
18:20:39 RESPONSE SHOULD BE I GUESS IS
18:20:39 WHAT I'M SAYING, MR. SHELBY.
18:20:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE
18:20:41 PRESENTED WITH AN AGREEMENT.
18:20:43 YOUR ROLE IS EITHER TO APPROVE
18:20:44 IT OR DISAPPROVE IT, AND IF
18:20:46 THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WARRANTS
18:20:47 A CONTINUANCE, THAT WOULD ALSO
18:20:49 BE AN APPROPRIATE MOTION, IF
18:20:52 COUNCIL WOULD SEE SO -- SO
18:20:53 CHOOSE.
18:20:54 OTHER THAN THAT, IT IS
18:20:57 GENERALLY, AS WITH ANY CONTRACT
18:20:57 PRESENTED TO YOU BY THE
18:20:59 ADMINISTRATION, AN UP-OR-DOWN
18:21:00 VOTE.
18:21:01 >>HARRY COHEN: I KNOW, BUT
18:21:02 THESE THINGS THAT ARE AT ISSUE
18:21:04 HERE ARE NOT -- THEY'RE NOT --
18:21:07 THEY'RE NOT THINGS THAT --
18:21:08 >>MIKE SUAREZ: THEY'RE
18:21:10 OPERATIONAL IN NATURE AS
18:21:10 OPPOSED TO --
18:21:12 >>HARRY COHEN: YEAH, I MEAN --
18:21:13 >> CAN I JUST MAKE A COMMENT?
18:21:14 >>HARRY COHEN: YEAH.
18:21:17 >> AND THIS GOES TO SOMETHING
18:21:19 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED
18:21:21 EARLIER TODAY AND WAS JUST
18:21:22 ECHOED, THAT YOUR JOB IS TO
18:21:24 APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF AN
18:21:25 AGREEMENT; HOWEVER, THIS
18:21:28 AGREEMENT AS MODIFIED -- SO,
18:21:30 FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS AGREEMENT
18:21:31 THERE IS A STATEMENT IN THE
18:21:32 PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT
18:21:34 THAT THE ELEVATED WALKWAY FROM
18:21:37 THE POE GARAGE TO THE
18:21:38 PERFORMING ARTS CENTER WILL
18:21:39 STAY INTACT.
18:21:40 IT HASN'T BEEN REMOVED FROM THE
18:21:42 AGREEMENT, IT'S STILL IN THE
18:21:43 AGREEMENT.
18:21:46 SO NOW WE WENT TO THE -- THE
18:21:47 DEVELOPER AND THE CITY CAME TO
18:21:51 US AND SAID, THAT'S A REAL
18:21:52 HINDRANCE TO THE PROJECT.
18:21:53 THEY CAN'T GET THEIR TRUCKS
18:21:55 UNDERNEATH IT TO PULL THE
18:21:56 GARBAGE OUT OF THE APARTMENT
18:21:56 BUILDING.
18:21:58 WE THOUGHT IT OVER, AND WE
18:22:00 SAID, LOOK, MAYBE WE CAN GIVE
18:22:02 THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN ACT OF
18:22:04 GOOD FAITH, AS LONG AS OUR
18:22:06 PEOPLE CAN GET FROM THE POE
18:22:08 GARAGE, OUR GUESTS, TO THE
18:22:10 PERFORMING ARTS CENTER UNDER A
18:22:11 COVERED WALKWAY.
18:22:12 SO NOW THERE'S THIS SIDE
18:22:14 AGREEMENT, BUT IT'S ONLY
18:22:17 VERBAL, THAT WE WILL GO -- WE
18:22:18 WILL NOT REQUIRE THE ELEVATED
18:22:20 WALKWAY AS LONG AS THESE OTHER
18:22:22 THINGS HAPPEN.
18:22:23 SO NOW YOU SEE ON THE LIST THE
18:22:25 WIDTH OF THE STAIRWAY, THE
18:22:27 ELEVATOR BECAUSE THE WALKWAY IS
18:22:29 GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED, WHICH
18:22:31 YOU APPROVED THIS MORNING.
18:22:33 SO THAT'S WHY THESE SORT OF
18:22:36 NASTY LITTLE THINGS OR THESE --
18:22:37 NOT NASTY, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE
18:22:39 OPERATIONAL TYPE OF THINGS ARE
18:22:41 COMING INTO IT, BECAUSE IF WE
18:22:42 HAD JUST GONE WITH THE
18:22:44 AGREEMENT AND LEFT THE WALKWAY
18:22:45 UP THERE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SOME
18:22:46 OF THESE ISSUES.
18:22:47 ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS I
18:22:50 HAVE A BIG ELECTRONIC MARQUEE,
18:22:52 VERY TYPICAL OF A PERFORMING
18:22:53 ARTS CENTER OR A SPORTS ARENA
18:22:55 OR A CONVENTION CENTER.
18:22:57 IT SERVES TO LET PEOPLE KNOW
18:22:58 YOU'RE HERE AND HERE'S WHAT'S
18:22:59 GOING ON.
18:23:00 IT'S ON THE WALKWAY.
18:23:02 IT HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED.
18:23:03 THAT WILL COME DOWN.
18:23:05 WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE
18:23:06 MOVED.
18:23:08 THERE'S BACK-AND-FORTH ON THAT,
18:23:10 YOU'RE CHARGING TOO MUCH,
18:23:11 YOU'RE SAYING THIS MUCH, YOU
18:23:12 SAID THAT MUCH.
18:23:13 THERE'S THE -- THEY'RE
18:23:16 PORTRAYING US AS BEING GOUGING
18:23:18 AND PUSHING OUT TOO FAR BY NOT
18:23:19 UNDERSTANDING CERTAIN
18:23:20 PROPOSALS, SO I'M TRYING TO
18:23:22 MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE DEVELOPER
18:23:25 THAT HE'S MISUNDERSTANDING
18:23:27 THINGS AND THAT WE NEED THESE
18:23:28 THINGS IN EXCHANGE FOR US
18:23:29 ALLOWING THE THING TO BE
18:23:31 DEMOLISHED, WE NEED THESE
18:23:32 THINGS TO COME THROUGH BEFORE
18:23:33 THIS THING CLOSES.
18:23:37 NOW, YOU CAN VOTE YES TONIGHT
18:23:37 AND THESE THINGS COULD BE HUNG
18:23:38 OUT THERE, OR WE COULD TALK
18:23:39 ABOUT HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY
18:23:42 ADDRESS THESE ITEMS TO OUR
18:23:44 SATISFACTION TONIGHT AND MOVE
18:23:47 FORWARD.
18:23:48 >> MS. CAPIN.
18:23:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY
18:23:50 THIS.
18:23:51 MY NAME WAS MENTIONED.
18:23:52 I'M SORRY, GO ON.
18:23:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: NO, NO, YOU'RE
18:23:54 GOOD.
18:23:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MY NAME WAS
18:23:56 MENTIONED.
18:23:57 I MEAN, I'M LISTENING TO
18:23:58 SOMETHING, BUT ARE WE GOING TO
18:23:59 SAY WHAT IS A COVERED WALKWAY?
18:24:02 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO
18:24:03 BE MADE OUT OF, THE ONE THEY
18:24:04 SAY THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE.
18:24:05 IS IT GOING TO BE
18:24:07 BRICK-AND-MORTAR, IS IT GOING
18:24:08 TO BE JUST A TENT-LOOKING THING
18:24:10 LIKE A TUNNEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING
18:24:11 OUT OF A FOOTBALL STADIUM?
18:24:12 I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING
18:24:14 ABOUT HERE.
18:24:15 THE TWO SIDES WERE PRIVY TO
18:24:16 THIS.
18:24:18 NONE OF US WERE PRIVY TO ANY OF
18:24:18 THE INFORMATION YOU HAD DURING
18:24:20 YOUR SIDEBARS OR WHATEVER YOU
18:24:21 WANT TO CALL IT, AND RIGHT AT
18:24:23 THE BEGINNING OF THIS THING, I
18:24:23 DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO
18:24:25 FINISH, BUT IT STATED THAT IT'S
18:24:26 GOING TO GIVE A MILLION DOLLARS
18:24:28 AND THEN $600,000 BUT NEVER
18:24:30 MORE THAN $700,000 ON TOP OF
18:24:31 THE MILLION; AM I CORRECT?
18:24:32 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
18:24:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALL RIGHT.
18:24:35 THEN I HEARD WALKWAY IS 13 FEET
18:24:36 BUT NOW WE WANT IT 17 FEET.
18:24:37 I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS AGREED
18:24:39 OR DISAGREED BETWEEN THE TWO
18:24:39 PARTIES.
18:24:40 I WASN'T THERE AND NEITHER WAS
18:24:41 THIS COUNCIL.
18:24:42 SO THESE THINGS THAT ARE BEING
18:24:46 BROUGHT UP, THE CONTRACT THAT
18:24:48 WE HAVE HERE TO APPROVE THE
18:24:50 RESOLUTION, WHAT DOES IT
18:24:50 ENTAIL?
18:24:52 DOES IT ENTAIL ANY OF THESE
18:24:53 AMENITIES?
18:24:54 WHAT DOES IT ENTAIL?
18:24:58 >> JUST AS AN OVERALL
18:25:01 STATEMENT, CITY COUNCIL
18:25:03 GENERALLY PLAYS NO PART IN
18:25:04 NEGOTIATION OF CONTRACTS FOR
18:25:06 THE CITY.
18:25:08 IT PLAYS AN EVEN LESSER PART IN
18:25:09 NEGOTIATIONS OF CONTRACTS BY
18:25:13 THIRD PARTIES, SO ULTIMATELY, I
18:25:16 REALIZE THE PARTIES HERE WANT
18:25:18 TO GET SOME GUIDANCE, MAYBE
18:25:20 SOME HELP, MAYBE A NUDGE, BUT
18:25:22 ULTIMATELY, CITY COUNCIL PLAYS
18:25:26 NO PART IN THOSE DECISIONS AND
18:25:28 THOSE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS
18:25:31 THAT NEED TO COME FROM THEM.
18:25:34 THEY NEED TO GET DOWN --
18:25:35 TOGETHER, SIT DOWN WITH EACH
18:25:37 OTHER, NEGOTIATE THESE POINTS
18:25:37 THEMSELVES.
18:25:43 WE CAN'T DO IT FOR THEM.
18:25:44 THE OTHER THING THAT WAS ASKED
18:25:46 OF ME, WHAT DOES THE FIRST
18:25:47 AMENDMENT DO?
18:25:50 WE HAVE AN EXISTING ROADWAY
18:25:52 CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT THAT THE
18:25:56 DEVELOPER HAS ENTERED INTO,
18:25:58 AGREED TO BUILD A ROAD, BRING
18:26:00 IT BACK TO THE CITY AND
18:26:02 DEDICATE IT BACK TO THE CITY.
18:26:02 THIS CHANGES SOME OF THE
18:26:05 DETAILS OF THAT, AND IT GOES NO
18:26:07 FURTHER THAN THAT.
18:26:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHAT
18:26:09 I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
18:26:10 I DON'T -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND
18:26:11 WHAT OUR ROLE IS HERE OTHER
18:26:13 THAN GET INVOLVED IN A LAWSUIT,
18:26:15 AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
18:26:16 THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD,
18:26:16 LAWSUIT.
18:26:17 I DIDN'T BRING IT UP.
18:26:19 >> I --
18:26:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T --
18:26:23 >> I CANNOT OPINE ON WHAT
18:26:25 SOMEBODY THINKS THEY HAVE A
18:26:27 LEGAL THEORY ON, BUT I CANNOT
18:26:28 SEE ANY POSSIBLE SITUATION
18:26:29 WHERE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE
18:26:33 SUBJECT TO A LAWSUIT BASED ON A
18:26:34 DECISION IT'S FULLY EMPOWERED
18:26:35 TO MAKE.
18:26:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I
18:26:36 UNDERSTAND.
18:26:39 AND THE WORD "MARQUEE" IS VERY
18:26:39 IMPORTANT.
18:26:41 EVERY PLACE HAS GOT TO HAVE A
18:26:42 MARQUEE SAYING HERE'S WHERE I'M
18:26:43 AT, COME SEE ME, I HAVE
18:26:44 SOMETHING HERE FOR YOU, BUT
18:26:44 DOES THAT MEAN REPLACING THE
18:26:44 MARQUEE OR BUILDING A NEW ONE?
18:26:47 I DON'T KNOW.
18:26:47 I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THIS.
18:26:47 I WASN'T THERE.
18:26:48 NEITHER WAS THIS COUNCIL.
18:26:50 I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SAID ON
18:26:51 EITHER SIDE.
18:26:53 >> LIKEWISE, I'M IN THE SAME
18:26:56 PLACE AS YOU, COUNCILMAN.
18:26:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, YOU
18:26:58 LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I
18:26:59 DO.
18:27:00 >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
18:27:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I WANT TO HEAR
18:27:02 FROM THE GUY FROM THE STRAZ
18:27:03 CENTER.
18:27:05 >> AGAIN, BOB McDONAUGH.
18:27:08 THE DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF YOU
18:27:09 ARE CONSISTENT WITH BUILDING A
18:27:11 ROADWAY.
18:27:12 THAT'S ALL IT IS.
18:27:14 THAT'S WHAT IT TALKS ABOUT.
18:27:14 THERE'S A PRIVATE AGREEMENT
18:27:18 BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTIES ABOUT
18:27:21 WHAT EACH PARTY WILL DO FOR THE
18:27:22 OTHER.
18:27:23 THE CITY IS NOT A PARTY TO
18:27:24 THAT.
18:27:25 THE ONLY THING I'M HERE TODAY
18:27:27 TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS
18:27:28 ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT OR
18:27:30 MODIFYING AN AGREEMENT TO HAVE
18:27:32 THAT ROADWAY BUILT, WHICH WE
18:27:33 HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR
18:27:34 SEVERAL YEARS.
18:27:35 THE -- ALL OF THESE OTHER
18:27:37 ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING
18:27:41 BACK AND FORTH ARE CARRIED IN
18:27:41 THAT LETTER AGREEMENT BETWEEN
18:27:43 THE TWO PARTIES OF WHICH THE
18:27:45 CITY IS NOT A PARTY OF.
18:27:48 WE ARE COOPERATIVE AS BEST WE
18:27:48 CAN.
18:27:50 THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT
18:27:52 ROADWAY, AND SOME OF THAT IS
18:27:53 DETERMINED BY THE ROADWAY
18:27:57 ENGINEERS OR TRANSPORTATION
18:27:57 DEPARTMENT.
18:27:59 THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT AN
18:28:00 ARRIVAL PLAZA, WHICH WE WOULD
18:28:05 HAVE SOME SAY IN THE APPROVAL
18:28:06 OR DISAPPROVAL, AND YOU SAW IN
18:28:08 AN EMAIL TODAY, THEY EXPRESSED
18:28:09 THAT CONCERN.
18:28:11 WE CAME BACK AND SAID YES, WE
18:28:12 WOULD NOT WITHHOLD OUR
18:28:13 APPROVAL, THEY COULD MOVE
18:28:14 FORWARD ON THE PERMITTING OF
18:28:17 IT, SO IT SEEMS AS IF THERE'S
18:28:20 SOME NONSEQUITURS HERE
18:28:29 CONCERNING WHAT THE CITY'S ROLE
18:28:29 IS.
18:28:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
18:28:33 THE GENTLEMAN, THE TALL GUY --
18:28:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THE TALL GUY.
18:28:37 >> THEY CALL ME THE TALL GUY.
18:28:39 I'M DOUG DIECK WITH RYAN
18:28:40 COMPANIES, AND I'M ONE OF THE
18:28:40 BOARD MEMBERS AT THE STRAZ
18:28:41 CENTER.
18:28:43 LET ME START BY SAYING WE'VE
18:28:45 BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU MANY TIMES
18:28:45 DEALING WITH PARKING
18:28:46 CHALLENGES, TRANSPORTATION
18:28:46 CHALLENGES.
18:28:48 AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE JUST HAD
18:28:49 HAMILTON, A VERY SUCCESSFUL
18:28:51 RUN, AND YOUR HELP AND THE
18:28:53 CITY'S HELP WAS A HUGE PART OF
18:28:55 THAT, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:28:56 I'LL JUST POINT OUT A FEW
18:28:56 THINGS.
18:28:58 SO WE ARE A PARTY TO AN
18:29:01 AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND THE
18:29:02 DEVELOPER TO THE PURCHASE
18:29:03 AGREEMENT.
18:29:04 WE HAD TO GIVE UP PROPERTY, WE
18:29:06 HAD TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
18:29:07 THE CITY HAS OBLIGATIONS TO
18:29:08 THAT.
18:29:10 OF COURSE, ALV HAS OBLIGATIONS,
18:29:12 BUT WE'RE THE BENEFICIARY OF
18:29:14 GETTING AN ARRIVAL PLAZA, WE'RE
18:29:15 THE BENEFICIARY OF CERTAIN
18:29:16 THINGS THAT COME WITH THAT, SO
18:29:18 WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.
18:29:20 WE ARE.
18:29:24 >> MAY I MAKE ONE
18:29:24 CLARIFICATION?
18:29:27 THE STRAZ CENTER OR ENTITIES
18:29:29 INVOLVED WITH STRAZ IS NOT A
18:29:30 PARTY TO THE CONTRACT FOR
18:29:33 PURCHASE OF THE REAL PROPERTY.
18:29:37 THE PROPERTY IS STRICTLY
18:29:37 BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
18:29:38 ALV AS AN ASSIGNEE.
18:29:44 I DON'T WANT THAT THERE BE ANY
18:29:45 QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S EVEN A
18:29:47 PROVISION THAT SAYS THERE ARE
18:29:48 NO THIRD PARTIES WHICH ARE
18:29:50 THIRD-PARTY BENEFICIARIES UNDER
18:29:51 THAT CONTRACT.
18:29:53 SO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE
18:29:55 DEVELOPER AND OWNER, YOU KNOW,
18:29:57 PERSPECTIVE OWNER, BUT THERE IS
18:29:58 NO PORTION OF THAT CONTRACT
18:30:03 THAT IS A CONTRACT WITH THE
18:30:04 STRAZ.
18:30:05 >> REGARDLESS OF THAT, WE'RE
18:30:07 THE BENEFICIARY OF MONEY AND AN
18:30:09 ARRIVAL PLAZA BEING REDONE TO
18:30:09 ACCOMMODATE THIS.
18:30:15 IT JUST IS A FACT, WHETHER IT'S
18:30:16 LEGALLY A FACT.
18:30:19 SO A COUPLE THINGS.
18:30:21 WE'RE 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH
18:30:24 THE IDEA OF THE ALV TOWER.
18:30:25 WE'RE GOOD.
18:30:26 THE STRAZ IS A SUPPORTER.
18:30:29 WHAT WE HAVE DONE DUTIFULLY, IN
18:30:31 OUR MINDS, ALONG THE WAY IS
18:30:34 WHEN DRAWINGS ARE PRESENTED,
18:30:36 COMMENTED, HERE IS YOU'RE
18:30:38 AFFECTING OUR LIVING ROOM,
18:30:40 YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF
18:30:41 WHAT WE DO EVERY SINGLE DAY,
18:30:43 AND WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE, OF
18:30:45 COURSE, WHAT, THAT IT GOES AS
18:30:48 GOOD AS IT CAN FOR US, AND WE
18:30:49 HAVE DUTIFULLY DONE THAT.
18:30:50 ONE OF THE BIG COMPONENTS IS
18:30:51 WHAT'S THE FINAL DESIGN LOOK
18:30:52 LIKE?
18:30:53 WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING
18:30:55 ABOUT THAT OVER THE COURSE OF
18:30:56 THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT
18:30:57 THERE'S ANOTHER HUGE COMPONENT
18:30:59 OF WE'VE GOT TO BUILD THIS
18:31:01 THING, WE'VE GOT TO CLOSE THESE
18:31:02 ROADS DOWN, WE'VE GOT TO
18:31:03 REALIGN THINGS.
18:31:04 WE HAVE BEEN COMMENTING ON
18:31:06 THOSE PLANS.
18:31:07 THE LAST PLANS WE'VE SEEN ARE
18:31:12 DATED FROM 2017 ON THE
18:31:14 LOGISTICS OF HOW THEY'RE GOING
18:31:15 TO PHASE THE CONSTRUCTION.
18:31:16 WE HAVEN'T SEEN AN UPDATE.
18:31:17 WE SPECIFICALLY COMMENTED ON
18:31:19 THAT IN THE MARCH LETTER, AND
18:31:21 WE WERE -- GOT A VERY QUICK
18:31:23 RESPONSE FROM ALV THAT SAID WE
18:31:24 WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
18:31:26 WE'RE WAITING FOR IT.
18:31:28 THESE -- THE LAST THING WE WANT
18:31:30 TO DO IS BE HERE TALKING ABOUT
18:31:33 WHAT SIZE IS THE STAIR WIDTH.
18:31:34 THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
18:31:36 BUT WE GET ACTION WHEN YOU ALL
18:31:38 AND THE CITY DEMANDS THAT WE
18:31:40 HAVE ACTION, AND THAT'S THE
18:31:45 ONLY REALLY WAY WE CAN MAKE
18:31:47 SURE THAT OUR LIVING ROOM IS A
18:31:47 WIN-WIN SITUATION.
18:31:49 THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC
18:31:49 THINGS.
18:31:51 YOU'VE GOT THEM ON THE LETTER,
18:31:52 BUT KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
18:31:55 COOPERATE, AND WE'RE FULLY
18:31:56 SUPPORTIVE OF APPROVING
18:31:57 SOMETHING TONIGHT.
18:31:59 WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
18:32:00 IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED AND
18:32:02 THEN, OKAY, GOOD, NOW WE DON'T
18:32:03 NEED TO CALL THE STRAZ ANYMORE
18:32:04 BECAUSE WE'RE GOOD, AND
18:32:05 EFFECTIVELY WHAT HAS HAPPENED
18:32:07 FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS IS WHEN
18:32:09 THEY NEED TO COME TO YOU, THEY
18:32:12 CALL US AND SAY, ARE WE GOOD,
18:32:14 WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR
18:32:15 YOU TO SAY WE'RE GOOD BECAUSE
18:32:17 WE NEED SOMETHING APPROVED.
18:32:18 IN BETWEEN THOSE TIMES, WE'RE
18:32:20 NOT GETTING ANY COMMUNICATION,
18:32:21 AND THAT'S WHAT OUR CONCERN IS.
18:32:23 WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE STAIR
18:32:24 WIDTH FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE.
18:32:25 WE THINK WE CAN WORK SOMETHING
18:32:26 OUT THAT'S VERY GOOD, BUT WE
18:32:28 JUST WANT THEM TO BE THERE
18:32:30 COOPERATING ALL THE TIME AS
18:32:32 OPPOSED TO WHEN IT'S FORCED BY
18:32:35 SOME EVENT.
18:32:36 >>FRANK REDDICK: MS. CAPIN.
18:32:39 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES.
18:32:39 OKAY.
18:32:39 THIS PROJECT IS REPRESENTED BY
18:32:40 A VERY GOOD REPRESENTATIVE --
18:32:43 VERY -- MS. HEALY IS EXCELLENT;
18:32:47 HOWEVER, IT MAY HAVE STARTED IN
18:32:50 2008, BUT WE VOTED ON IT IN
18:32:51 2013.
18:32:52 THAT'S SIX YEARS.
18:32:53 THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN FLUX
18:32:56 AND HAS MORPHED MORE TIMES.
18:32:56 DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS
18:32:58 WE APPROVED AND PEOPLE ARE
18:32:59 LIVING IN THEM TODAY?
18:33:02 I REMEMBER THIS PROJECT, IT WAS
18:33:03 2013, AUGUST OF 2013.
18:33:05 WE WERE JUST GETTING OUT OF THE
18:33:07 RECESSION, AND I WAS QUOTED AS
18:33:10 BEING NOT VISIONARY, NOT -- AND
18:33:16 HERE WE ARE SIX YEARS LATER,
18:33:17 SIX YEARS LATER, AND WE'RE
18:33:19 STILL NOT -- AND, YES, THE CITY
18:33:21 OWNS THE STRAZ, THE CITY HAS --
18:33:23 THE CITY HAS THE WEIGHT TO BE
18:33:24 ABLE TO HELP WITH THESE
18:33:31 ISSUES --
18:33:33 >> I AGREE.
18:33:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: -- VERY MUCH SO
18:33:35 IF THE CITY WANTED TO.
18:33:37 I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT IN 2013
18:33:38 AND I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR
18:33:39 IT TODAY.
18:33:40 THIS IS NOT -- THERE IS NO --
18:33:42 IT MAY BE THIRD PARTY, IT MAY
18:33:44 BE FOURTH PARTY, FIFTH PARTY,
18:33:45 SICK THIS PARTY.
18:33:46 IT'S SIX YEARS.
18:33:47 DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS
18:33:48 WE HAVE APPROVED AND PEOPLE ARE
18:33:51 LIVING IN THEM, AND I WAS
18:33:56 SKEWERED, SKEWERED BECAUSE I
18:33:57 DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT, AND I WAS
18:33:59 RIGHT, BECAUSE HERE WE ARE SIX
18:34:00 YEARS LATER AND THERE'S NOTHING
18:34:01 EXCEPT MORE OF THE SAME.
18:34:03 WE OWN THE STRAZ, WE SHOULD
18:34:09 SUPPORT THE STRAZ AND WE SHOULD
18:34:10 HELP HOWEVER WE CAN WITH THE
18:34:11 THIRD PARTY.
18:34:13 THIS IS -- THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
18:34:14 TO ME.
18:34:15 IT IS UNACCEPTABLE THAT WE ARE
18:34:18 HERE SIX YEARS LATER AND WE'RE
18:34:20 STILL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME --
18:34:25 THE SAME ISSUES.
18:34:26 IT HAS MORPHED.
18:34:28 IT HAS BEEN IN FLUX FOR SIX
18:34:29 YEARS, AND NOTHING HAS BEEN
18:34:32 BUILT, NOTHING.
18:34:34 IT MAY HAVE STARTED IN 2008,
18:34:38 BUT WE VOTED ON IT IN 2013.
18:34:40 I -- I CANNOT -- I FIND IT HARD
18:34:43 TO BELIEVE THAT AT THIS TIME IN
18:34:45 THIS COUNCIL IT IS BROUGHT TO
18:34:47 US AT THIS LAST MEETING THAT
18:34:52 FOUR OF US ARE LEAVING.
18:34:57 NOW, I WILL REITERATE,
18:34:58 MS. HEALY IS AN EXCELLENT
18:34:59 REPRESENTATIVE.
18:35:01 IT'S A -- IT'S -- IT WAS NOT
18:35:03 GOOD FROM THE BEGINNING, AND
18:35:05 IT'S -- AND IT'S JUST PROVED TO
18:35:07 BE A REAL THORN IN EVERYBODY'S
18:35:08 SIDE, AND HERE WE ARE
18:35:10 DISCUSSING STAIRWELLS AND
18:35:12 DISCUSSING THE REST OF IT.
18:35:15 IT HAS BEEN CONSTANT, CONSTANT,
18:35:19 CONSTANT ISSUE WITH THE STRAZ
18:35:21 CENTER TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH
18:35:25 THESE -- WITH WHOEVER HOLDS IT
18:35:26 AT THE TIME BECAUSE IT HAS
18:35:27 TRANSFERRED, AND SOMEONE MADE
18:35:31 MONEY ON IT ALREADY AND IT
18:35:37 STILL ISN'T BUILT.
18:35:38 I LEAVE HERE WITH MY CONSCIENCE
18:35:40 SO CLEAR, SO CLEAR THAT I VOTED
18:35:42 AGAINST THIS IN THE FIRST
18:35:43 PLACE.
18:35:49 YOU HAVE -- IT -- IT ELATES ME
18:35:51 TO KNOW THAT I WAS RIGHT, I WAS
18:35:53 RIGHT IN 2013, AND HERE WE ARE
18:35:57 SICK YEARS LATER AND I -- I
18:35:58 REMEMBER BEING QUOTED AS NOT
18:35:59 HAVING VISION.
18:36:02 REALLY?
18:36:07 I -- I RESERVE THE REST OF MY
18:36:09 COMMENTS FOR LATER.
18:36:10 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANYTHING ELSE
18:36:11 YOU WANT TO SAY, SIR?
18:36:14 >> NO, THANK YOU.
18:36:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN ANYBODY
18:36:17 TELL ME WHAT THE ARGUMENTS ARE?
18:36:18 WHAT ARE THE DISCUSSION?
18:36:19 I'VE HEARD THREE PEOPLE SPEAK
18:36:21 AND NO ONE'S TOLD ME ANYTHING.
18:36:23 >> DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS
18:36:23 THAT?
18:36:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT YOU
18:36:25 TO TELL ME, YES.
18:36:25 >> OKAY.
18:36:28 WELL, THEY'RE IN THE EMAIL THAT
18:36:28 YOU RECEIVED THIS AFTERNOON,
18:36:29 BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMPLE.
18:36:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT YOU
18:36:31 TO TELL ME, I DON'T WANT TO
18:36:31 KNOW ABOUT THE EMAIL.
18:36:33 YOU TELL ME WHAT'S IN THE
18:36:33 RECORD.
18:36:34 >> ALL RIGHT. WE WANT TO BE
18:36:37 SURE THAT THE ARRIVAL PLAZA --
18:36:41 AND WE THANK BOB McDONAUGH FOR
18:36:41 THE LIFTING AN ADMINISTRATIVE
18:36:43 BLOCK ON THAT.
18:36:43 UNFORTUNATELY -- IF THAT HAD
18:36:45 BEEN LIFTED MONTHS AGO, WE
18:36:45 WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION
18:36:47 NOW TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE
18:36:48 ARRIVAL PLAZA WOULD LOOK LIKE,
18:36:49 IT WOULD BE PERMITTED, IT WOULD
18:36:50 BE READY TO INTERFACE WITH THIS
18:36:51 PROJECT, BUT WE WANT TO BE SURE
18:36:53 THAT WE WON'T GET HELD UP LIKE
18:36:55 WE WERE THE LAST TIME OVER FOUR
18:36:55 TREES.
18:36:57 BUT THAT'S ONE, FOUR TREES.
18:36:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU TALK
18:37:00 ABOUT PLAZAS AND PERMITTING,
18:37:02 YOU MIGHT HAVE A LONG WAIT.
18:37:03 >> I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT
18:37:03 THAT.
18:37:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL TELL
18:37:06 YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE JUST
18:37:07 ANOTHER NUMBER GOING DOWN THE
18:37:08 ROAD.
18:37:08 >> IT'S OKAY.
18:37:10 I'M NOT UNDER THE SAME PRESSURE
18:37:11 THAT THE DEVELOPERS ARE.
18:37:11 I CAN WAIT TO DO THAT.
18:37:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I
18:37:11 UNDERSTAND.
18:37:13 >> THE MARQUEE WE TALKED ABOUT.
18:37:13 THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
18:37:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TALK TO ME
18:37:15 ABOUT THE MARQUEE.
18:37:16 >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE -- I'M
18:37:17 SUGGESTING A BUDGET THAT ON THE
18:37:18 LOW END WOULD RANGE FROM
18:37:21 $77,000 TO THE HIGH RANGE OF
18:37:22 $127,000.
18:37:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WAS THAT
18:37:24 NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER?
18:37:26 >> I HAVE PUT IT OUT TO HIM.
18:37:28 I'M NOT GETTING BACK.
18:37:30 IT'S A ONE-WAY NEGOTIATION.
18:37:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU SIGNED A
18:37:32 CONTRACT, THIS CONTRACT HERE,
18:37:33 AGREEMENT?
18:37:34 >> YES, RIGHT.
18:37:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND
18:37:36 NOTHING'S IN THAT CONTRACT
18:37:37 ABOUT THE MARQUEE OR ANYTHING
18:37:37 ELSE?
18:37:39 >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO.
18:37:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW CAN YOU
18:37:41 -- I DON'T KNOW.
18:37:42 I'M CONFUSED.
18:37:43 >> WELL, BECAUSE I HAVE
18:37:44 CORRESPONDENCE WITH HIM.
18:37:45 HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE DOESN'T
18:37:47 NOW -- HE CAN NOW TEAR DOWN A
18:37:48 COMPONENT THAT HAS A MARQUEE ON
18:37:50 IT, AND HE'S WILLING TO REPLACE
18:37:50 IT.
18:37:52 HE'S AGREED TO REPLACE IT.
18:37:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS IT
18:37:54 REPLACING OR REMOVAL AND
18:37:55 SHIFTING THAT MARQUEE?
18:37:56 I DON'T KNOW.
18:37:57 >> YES, IT IS.
18:37:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, WHICH
18:37:58 ONE?
18:37:59 >> IF IT WORKS.
18:38:00 YOU KNOW, THINGS AREN'T
18:38:04 EMPIRICAL IN TERMS OF -- UNTIL
18:38:05 YOU GET INTO THEM TO KNOW WHAT
18:38:06 YOU'VE GOT, SO I'M BUILDING A
18:38:07 RANGE HERE SO THAT IF WE MOVE
18:38:09 IT AND IT DOESN'T PERFORM THAT
18:38:11 THERE'S AN OPTION TO REPLACE
18:38:12 IT.
18:38:13 SO IF WE FIRST TRY ON THE LOW
18:38:16 END TO SAVE MONEY AND DO IT AN
18:38:17 ECONOMICAL WAY, AND IF NOT, WE
18:38:19 NEED TO HAVE ENOUGH -- WE HAVE
18:38:21 TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO AT
18:38:23 LEAST REPLACE IT IN EXCHANGE
18:38:25 FOR LETTING HIM TEAR DOWN THE
18:38:25 WALKWAY.
18:38:28 THERE ARE BOLLARDS AT THE
18:38:30 PERFORMING ARTS CENTER, I KNOW
18:38:31 WHEN YOU DRIVE IN.
18:38:32 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE
18:38:33 BOLLARDS ARE REPLACED.
18:38:34 THEY'RE NOT ON THE DRAWINGS, WE
18:38:36 WANT THEM ON THE DRAWINGS.
18:38:39 SIMPLE MATTER.
18:38:39 WE HAVEN'T HEARD HOW HE'S GOING
18:38:40 TO BUILD IT AND KEEP THE CENTER
18:38:40 OPEN.
18:38:42 I MEAN, WE -- WE HAVE SOME
18:38:45 DRAWINGS FROM 2017, BUT THEN
18:38:46 ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GUY FROM
18:38:48 KIMMINS IS WALKING AROUND THE
18:38:50 STRAZ CENTER SAYING, WE'RE
18:38:51 COMING THERE NEXT MONTH AND THE
18:38:52 FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO
18:38:54 IS TEAR DOWN THE WALKWAY.
18:38:56 WE SAID, NO, WAIT, THE WALKWAY
18:38:59 WAS IN THE THIRD PHASE WHEN
18:39:00 THEY PRESENTED IT, AND NOW
18:39:01 YOU'RE TELLING US IT'S GOING
18:39:06 DOWN -- HE SAID AS EARLY AS MAY
18:39:06 RIGHT NOW.
18:39:07 SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO GIVE US
18:39:07 THE CLARITY ON THAT.
18:39:09 THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM HERE, TELL
18:39:11 US HOW AND WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO
18:39:11 DO IT.
18:39:14 WE HAD SOME -- JUST A COUPLE
18:39:15 MORE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON
18:39:16 THE ROADWAY PLANS FOR THE CITY
18:39:17 THAT THEY'RE DOCUMENTING THAT
18:39:19 WE JUST WANT TO -- ALL WE WANT
18:39:20 IS TO WILL YOU SIT DOWN WITH US
18:39:21 AND TALK ABOUT THESE?
18:39:23 THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, WILL YOU
18:39:25 SIT DOWN AND LET US UNDERSTAND
18:39:26 THIS COMPONENT?
18:39:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, THE
18:39:28 CITY IS THE TRANSPORTATION
18:39:29 DEPARTMENT?
18:39:30 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
18:39:31 AND BOB McDONAUGH HAS PASSED
18:39:33 THESE ON TO THE TRANSPORTATION
18:39:33 DEPARTMENT.
18:39:34 WE'RE JUST ASKING PLEASE COMMIT
18:39:36 TO A MEETING SO WE CAN
18:39:37 UNDERSTAND THIS MATTER BECAUSE
18:39:38 AS I SAY, WE DON'T GET STUFF
18:39:39 BACK.
18:39:41 THE COVERED WALKWAY, THAT'S THE
18:39:42 LAST PART OF HOW THEY'RE GOING
18:39:43 TO GET ACROSS TO THE STRAZ
18:39:47 CENTER NOW WITHOUT -- BECAUSE
18:39:48 WE'RE TEARING DOWN THE OTHER
18:39:48 ONE.
18:39:51 WE JUST WANT IT A LITTLE WIDER,
18:39:52 BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO
18:39:52 CHANGE --
18:39:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: STOP THERE.
18:39:55 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LITTLE,
18:39:56 TALK TO ME IN NUMBERS.
18:39:57 >> OKAY.
18:39:58 IT'S 17 FEET WIDE.
18:39:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT IT
18:40:00 WAS 13 FEET WIDE?
18:40:02 >> IS IT 13 OR 17?
18:40:04 >> 14 IS WHAT I SAW ON THE
18:40:05 DRAWING.
18:40:05 >> OKAY.
18:40:07 14 FEET WIDE, AND WE WANT THE
18:40:09 COVER TO GO OUT 22 FEET.
18:40:13 SO 14'S FINE, JUST BUILD THE
18:40:15 ROOF A LITTLE WIDER, SO WE HAVE
18:40:17 A LITTLE COVER, SO CANTILEVER
18:40:19 OVER THE COVER IS ALL WE'RE
18:40:19 SAYING.
18:40:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW
18:40:22 WHAT YOU TWO PARTIES AGREED ON.
18:40:24 I HEARD 13, THEN I HEARD 17 --
18:40:27 >> WELL, YOU PUT A PORCH ON
18:40:28 YOUR HOUSE SOMETIMES, DON'T
18:40:29 YOU?
18:40:31 SO 22 FEET, IS ALL WE'RE
18:40:33 ASKING, THAT THEY EXTEND PAST
18:40:34 THE STRUCTURE TO PROVIDE MORE
18:40:36 COVER FOR PEOPLE IN THE RAIN,
18:40:36 THAT'S ALL.
18:40:37 THE STAIRWAY --
18:40:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO NOW YOU
18:40:39 DON'T HAVE THAT?
18:40:40 >> NO, I DON'T HAVE IT.
18:40:42 THE STAIRWAY, WE WANT TO MAKE
18:40:43 SURE WHEN YOU COME FROM THE POE
18:40:45 GARAGE AND YOU'RE GOING TO WALK
18:40:46 DOWN THE STAIRS TO THE GROUND
18:40:48 LEVEL THAT IT'S NOT A SMALL,
18:40:49 LITTLE STAIRWAY.
18:40:50 IT NEEDS TO BE WIDE ENOUGH.
18:40:51 YOU'VE SEEN IT.
18:40:53 IT'S 1,000 PEOPLE AT ONE TIME.
18:40:56 AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD BUILD
18:40:57 THE WIDEST STAIRWAY THAT THEY
18:40:58 COULD.
18:40:59 WE FEEL LIKE THEY CAN COMMIT TO
18:41:03 AT LEAST 60 -- 66 INCHES.
18:41:04 AND THEN THE LAST THING IS,
18:41:06 IT'S A SILLY THING, IT'S A
18:41:07 STRIPING ISSUE.
18:41:10 THE ROADWAY SAYS -- AS YOU COME
18:41:11 DOWN CASS STREET AND THE
18:41:12 PERFORMING ARTS CENTER IS ON
18:41:13 YOUR RIGHT, THERE'S ONLY A
18:41:15 RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE, AND WE
18:41:16 WANT TO MAKE THAT LANE A
18:41:17 THROUGH LANE AND A RIGHT-HAND
18:41:18 TURN LANE.
18:41:19 IT'S JUST A SIMPLE COMMENT.
18:41:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AGAIN,
18:41:21 THAT'S --
18:41:22 >> IT'S VERY EASY.
18:41:23 TRANSPORTATION, YEAH.
18:41:24 AND THOSE ARE ALL OUR THINGS
18:41:27 RIGHT NOW.
18:41:28 WE ALSO HAVE LOOKED HARD AT THE
18:41:31 AGREEMENT AND THE VARIOUS
18:41:33 AMENDMENTS TO THE AGREEMENT,
18:41:37 AND WE'RE HONESTLY NOT SURE IF
18:41:39 THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO THE
18:41:41 AGREEMENT -- THE FOURTH
18:41:42 RESOLUTION TO THE AGREEMENT
18:41:46 REQUIRES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN
18:41:50 THAT THE PARTIES AGREE TO SET A
18:41:53 CLOSING DATE ONLY AFTER ALL OF
18:41:56 THESE ROADWAY THINGS ARE DONE,
18:41:59 SO IT SAYS PURSUANT TO THE
18:42:00 PURCHASE AGREEMENT AT CLOSING,
18:42:02 THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO CONVEY
18:42:10 THE PROPERTY TO ALV -- IT'S ONE
18:42:10 MORE PAGE.
18:42:11 I'M SO SORRY.
18:42:12 EXCUSE ME.
18:42:13 THE CITY HAS ISSUED -- UNTIL
18:42:15 THE ISSUE -- THE CITY HAS
18:42:16 ISSUED FINAL APPROVAL OF THE
18:42:19 ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT AND OTHER
18:42:21 IMPROVEMENTS CONTEMPLATED BY
18:42:23 THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT, THE
18:42:24 CLOSING DATE SHALL BE 45 DAYS
18:42:27 AFTER THAT DATE, SO, IN OTHER
18:42:28 WORDS, THE ROADWAY DRAWINGS
18:42:33 HAVE TO BE APPROVED, THAT
18:42:35 STARTS A CLOCK, A 45-DAY CLOCK
18:42:36 FOR THE CLOSING, BUT WE DON'T
18:42:37 BELIEVE THAT THE DRAWINGS HAVE
18:42:38 BEEN APPROVED.
18:42:39 I MEAN, WE'RE TRACKING THEM
18:42:43 PRETTY WELL IN ACCELA, AND I
18:42:44 DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE APPROVED
18:42:46 YET, BUT MAYBE BOB CAN HELP US
18:42:46 WITH THAT.
18:42:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. COHEN.
18:42:57 >>HARRY COHEN: UHM, FIRST OF
18:42:59 ALL, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A
18:43:00 COUPLE THINGS THAT COUNCILWOMAN
18:43:01 CAPIN SAID.
18:43:02 THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO
18:43:03 GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ISSUE
18:43:04 THAT WE LITIGATED.
18:43:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: BUT EVERY TIME
18:43:06 IT COMES UP --
18:43:08 >>HARRY COHEN: NO, I UNDERSTAND
18:43:09 THAT, AND THAT'S FINE.
18:43:10 I'M ONLY SAYING IT BECAUSE IT
18:43:11 ISN'T.
18:43:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES.
18:43:12 I'M SORRY.
18:43:14 >>HARRY COHEN: AND THE REASON I
18:43:16 SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S A
18:43:19 PRACTICAL CONSIDERATION HERE,
18:43:20 AND IT IS THIS.
18:43:21 THIS IS THE COUNCIL THAT HAS
18:43:22 BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR THE
18:43:26 LAST EIGHT YEARS, BASICALLY,
18:43:29 AND IF -- IF WE DON'T ACT ON
18:43:32 THIS, I THINK THAT THERE'S A
18:43:33 HUGE POSSIBILITY OF ALL KINDS
18:43:35 OF UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES,
18:43:37 BOTH TO THE CITY AND TO THE
18:43:38 DEVELOPER AND TO THE STRAZ
18:43:40 CENTER, TO EVERYBODY, BECAUSE
18:43:41 EVERYBODY HAS WORKED REALLY
18:43:43 HARD ON THESE AGREEMENTS, AND
18:43:45 THEY ALL -- THEY ALL FIT
18:43:46 TOGETHER, AND I WILL TELL YOU
18:43:48 -- I MEAN, THE BOARD OF THE
18:43:49 STRAZ CENTER VOTED ON THE
18:43:51 AGREEMENT, WE'VE VOTED A NUMBER
18:43:54 OF TIMES, EVERYBODY'S VERY,
18:43:57 VERY INVESTED IN THIS PROCESS,
18:43:57 AND WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS
18:43:59 REALLY A PLEA FROM THE STRAZ
18:44:05 CENTER FOR COOPERATION AND FOR
18:44:07 -- YOU KNOW, FOR ACCOMMODATION
18:44:10 BASED ON THE FACT THAT SINCE WE
18:44:11 PASSED THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT,
18:44:13 THINGS ACTUALLY HAVE CHANGED.
18:44:14 THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT
18:44:15 WERE ADDRESSED IN THE ORIGINAL
18:44:18 AGREEMENT THAT NOW ARE
18:44:19 DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE AT THE
18:44:21 TIME, AND THE GOOD EXAMPLE IS
18:44:22 THAT WE -- AND I REMEMBER WE
18:44:24 STAYED VERY LATE THAT NIGHT
18:44:26 NEGOTIATING FOR THE SKYWALK TO
18:44:26 STAY.
18:44:28 WELL, NOW EVERYONE HAS AGREED
18:44:30 THAT IT OUGHT TO COME DOWN,
18:44:32 BUT, OBVIOUSLY, IT CHANGES THE
18:44:34 DETAILS OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING
18:44:36 TO BE WORKED OUT.
18:44:39 SO I -- SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
18:44:41 I THINK, THOUGH, THAT THE
18:44:45 DANGER IN NOT COMING TO SOME
18:44:49 CONCLUSION ON SOME OF THIS IS
18:44:51 THAT IT -- I MEAN, I THINK
18:44:54 EVERYTHING WILL GET BLOWN UP,
18:44:55 INCLUDING THE VERY, VERY
18:44:58 HARD-FOUGHT CONCESSION FROM THE
18:44:59 CITY TO DROP THEIR OPPOSITION
18:45:02 TO THE ARRIVAL PLAZA, WHICH
18:45:04 MR. McDONAUGH CONFIRMED IN THIS
18:45:05 PAST WEEK SINCE THIS -- THIS
18:45:07 ISSUE CAME UP, AND THAT IS NOT
18:45:07 A SMALL THING.
18:45:10 I DO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT
18:45:12 THE CITY'S DROPPING ITS
18:45:14 OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN DOESN'T
18:45:15 NECESSARILY MEAN THAT
18:45:17 PERMITTING'S GOING TO APPROVE
18:45:18 EVERYTHING, BUT IT MEANS THAT
18:45:20 IF THEY DON'T APPROVE IT, MY
18:45:21 UNDERSTANDING IS YOU CAN COME
18:45:23 BACK HERE AND HAVE A HEARING TO
18:45:25 FIGURE IT OUT.
18:45:27 SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE MADE
18:45:28 ANY SENSE OF ANY OF THIS, BUT
18:45:32 I'M -- I'M TRYING TO PUT SOME
18:45:33 CONTEXT AROUND WHAT IT IS THAT
18:45:35 WE HAVE TO WORK FORWARD
18:45:38 THROUGH.
18:45:39 >>MIKE SUAREZ: MR. CHAIR.
18:45:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: YES, SIR.
18:45:41 >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO, I MEAN,
18:45:42 ESSENTIALLY AFTER HEARING ALL
18:45:44 THIS STUFF, WHAT WE COME DOWN
18:45:46 TO IS BOTH SIDES ARE RIGHT AND
18:45:47 BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG, AND
18:45:48 HERE'S WHY.
18:45:49 WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
18:45:50 BOTH SIDES WANT TO NOT -- TO
18:45:52 EITHER HAVE LINKAGE FROM THE
18:45:54 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STRAZ
18:45:57 CENTER AND THE DEVELOPER AND
18:45:58 THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T WANT
18:45:59 THAT LINKAGE.
18:46:01 THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS
18:46:02 THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT.
18:46:04 THE ONE THING IS THE FIRST
18:46:05 AMENDMENT TO THE ROADWAY
18:46:06 CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENT
18:46:07 AGREEMENT.
18:46:09 THERE IS SOME LINKAGE JUST BY
18:46:10 VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S
18:46:12 A CHANGE IN WHAT WE HAVE DONE
18:46:14 IN THE PAST FROM WHAT THE
18:46:15 ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS PUT
18:46:18 TOGETHER, WHICH WAS FROM 2017,
18:46:19 OKAY.
18:46:21 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SO MANY
18:46:22 OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT THE
18:46:23 STRAZ IS HAVING WITH THIS ARE
18:46:25 THINGS THAT ARE -- THAT SHOULD
18:46:27 BE WORKED OUT WITH THE CITY
18:46:30 BECAUSE, FOR GOD'S SAKE, WE OWN
18:46:31 THE DAMN STRAZ.
18:46:33 WE OWN IT.
18:46:34 I MEAN, THEY CAN'T COME TO US
18:46:36 TO ACT LIKE WE -- THAT THEY'RE
18:46:38 A SEPARATE ENTITY.
18:46:40 THEY ARE AS AN OPERATOR, BUT
18:46:41 THEY'RE STILL IN OUR BUILDING,
18:46:43 SO WE'VE GOT TO COME TO SOME
18:46:44 KIND OF AGREEMENT.
18:46:45 AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU
18:46:46 GENTLEMEN, BOTH OF YOU, AND
18:46:48 MR. -- MR. COHEN TOUCHED ON IT
18:46:51 -- WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE GONE,
18:46:53 FOUR OF US AT LEAST.
18:46:55 THE OTHER THREE ARE HANGING
18:46:56 OUT.
18:46:57 AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS
18:46:58 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO
18:47:00 ALL OF THIS, AND YOU ARE
18:47:01 PLAYING LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO
18:47:01 VEGAS.
18:47:02 I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY
18:47:04 YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR POCKET.
18:47:06 I'VE GOT ABOUT $63, OKAY.
18:47:08 I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THAT $63
18:47:09 ON THIS DEAL FOR SURE, ALL
18:47:10 RIGHT.
18:47:12 I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WE'RE AT
18:47:13 A SITUATION NOW WHERE YOU'RE
18:47:16 ARGUING WITH YOURSELVES.
18:47:17 YOU'RE BOTH -- THERE'S BOTH A
18:47:19 SELF-INTEREST HERE THAT YOU'RE
18:47:20 NOT RECOGNIZING, OKAY.
18:47:22 AND I THINK MR. McDONAUGH -- I
18:47:23 APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE
18:47:25 DONE IT, I THINK MS. HEALY'S
18:47:26 DONE A GREAT JOB.
18:47:28 I THINK ALL OF YOU ALL HAVE,
18:47:30 AND YOU KNOW I'VE NOT EVER SAID
18:47:31 ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
18:47:32 I'M SAYING NOW, WHICH IS THAT
18:47:33 THE RECOGNITION THAT THE CITY
18:47:37 HAS TO HAVE FOR THE STRAZ IN
18:47:38 TERMS OF THE -- OF THE KIND OF
18:47:39 DOLLARS THAT WE BRING IN FROM
18:47:42 THAT ENTITY AND HOW THAT
18:47:43 AFFECTS IT.
18:47:44 THEY'RE JUST GIVING YOU
18:47:45 OPERATIONAL DETAILS ON WHAT
18:47:46 THEY THINK IS THE RIGHT THING
18:47:46 TO DO.
18:47:48 NOW, THE ARRIVAL PLAZA'S A
18:47:49 TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.
18:47:53 THAT'S A BIGGER ENCHILADA THAT
18:47:54 YOU GUYS FINALLY AGREED TO,
18:47:55 OKAY.
18:47:56 MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS TO
18:47:57 ACCEPT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO
18:47:59 DO, AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE
18:48:00 DEFINITELY AT THIS SPOT NOW
18:48:01 WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE MUCH
18:48:04 MORE AMENABLE TO TRY TO GET
18:48:05 THIS THING DONE BECAUSE ONCE
18:48:06 THE CONSTRUCTION STARTS,
18:48:08 THEY'VE GOT TO GET IT DONE, AND
18:48:09 THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KILL THE
18:48:11 GOLDEN GOOSE.
18:48:13 I DON'T THINK THE NEW MAYOR, I
18:48:14 DON'T THINK SHE'S GOING TO WANT
18:48:16 TO HAVE THIS HAVE A PROBLEM.
18:48:17 I ASSUME THAT MOST OF THE
18:48:18 SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE
18:48:19 ADMINISTRATION ARE GOING TO
18:48:20 STICK AROUND UNTIL AT LEAST
18:48:22 OCTOBER 1st WHEN THEY GET
18:48:24 THROUGH THE FIRST BUDGET.
18:48:25 SO, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE
18:48:26 ANYTHING'S GOING TO CHANGE.
18:48:28 I DON'T THINK ANYTHING YOU'RE
18:48:29 SAYING TODAY IS GOING TO CHANGE
18:48:30 ANYTHING LATER ON.
18:48:31 I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE
18:48:32 SAME BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO
18:48:33 HAVE THE SAME PLAYERS THERE,
18:48:34 OKAY, BUT I DO THINK THAT
18:48:36 YOU'VE MADE A VERY GOOD CASE IN
18:48:38 TERMS OF WHAT YOU NEED TO GET
18:48:39 DONE, AND I THINK MR. McDONAUGH
18:48:42 HEARS US LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I
18:48:42 THINK HE KNOWS THAT HE'S
18:48:44 WORKING TO TRY AND GET THIS
18:48:44 DONE.
18:48:45 I THINK I'M RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
18:48:47 I'M READING YOUR MIND TODAY,
18:48:48 MR. McDONAUGH.
18:48:50 I HOPE THAT'S OKAY.
18:48:52 >>BOB McDONAUGH: NO.
18:48:53 BOB McDONAUGH.
18:48:54 AGAIN, IN SOME OF THE CASES,
18:48:56 IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING
18:48:56 TARGET.
18:48:57 THE DEVELOPER PROPOSED A
18:48:59 14-FOOT WALKWAY.
18:49:00 WE HAD A CONVERSATION TODAY, IT
18:49:01 WAS 17 FEET.
18:49:02 THEN IT WAS 20 FEET.
18:49:04 AND NOW I JUST HEARD 22 FEET.
18:49:06 SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT --
18:49:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: BUT, AGAIN,
18:49:08 LISTEN.
18:49:09 BOTH OF YOU, BOTH MR. SHEPARD
18:49:11 AND YOU BOTH ARE RELITIGATING
18:49:13 THINGS FROM A WHILE BACK, AND I
18:49:14 KNOW THINGS START COMING UP.
18:49:16 I'M TRYING TO TELL HIM NOT TO
18:49:17 BRING UP ANYTHING NEW, AND WHAT
18:49:18 I'M TELLING YOU IS MAKE IT WORK
18:49:21 FOR THEM BECAUSE THIS
18:49:21 AGREEMENT --
18:49:23 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I AM TRYING.
18:49:24 >>MIKE SUAREZ: -- IS COMPLETELY
18:49:25 SEPARATE FROM WHAT THEY'RE
18:49:27 TALKING ABOUT, TRULY.
18:49:28 I MEAN, THE LITTLE THINGS CAN
18:49:30 BE FIXED, AND I THINK YOU KNOW
18:49:30 THAT.
18:49:31 >>BOB McDONAUGH: AGREED.
18:49:32 AGREED.
18:49:33 I'M TRYING.
18:49:34 >>MIKE SUAREZ: THAT'S WHY I
18:49:36 TOLD YOU, I READ YOUR MIND.
18:49:37 >>BOB McDONAUGH: THANK YOU.
18:49:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: IF YOU
18:49:39 UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING, THE
18:49:40 FIRST AGREEMENT IS THE FIRST
18:49:40 AGREEMENT.
18:49:42 WE EITHER SAY YES OR NO.
18:49:44 THE IF WE SAY NO, THE NEXT
18:49:45 COUNCIL'S GOING TO SAY WHAT THE
18:49:46 HELL IS THIS, AND THEY'RE GOING
18:49:48 TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
18:49:49 THE ISSUES HAVE NOTHING TO DO
18:49:51 WITH WHAT THE ESSENCE OF WHAT
18:49:53 WE'RE VOTING ON, AS MR. COHEN
18:49:54 SAID, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF
18:49:55 SMALLER THINGS THAT ARE
18:49:58 CONNECTED TO IT IN NOT
18:50:01 NECESSARILY TENUOUS WAYS BUT IN
18:50:02 SOME DIRECT WAYS THAT THEY HAVE
18:50:03 TO WORK THROUGH, AND I THINK
18:50:04 EVERYBODY HAS TO COME TO THE
18:50:06 TABLE, STOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT
18:50:06 HAPPENED BEFORE.
18:50:08 LET'S GO FORWARD, LET'S TRY AND
18:50:09 GET THIS DONE BECAUSE IT'S
18:50:11 GOING TO BE OUT THERE ANYWAY.
18:50:12 YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO
18:50:13 SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM,
18:50:14 MR. SHEPARD.
18:50:14 IT REALLY ISN'T.
18:50:17 IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE
18:50:19 STRAZ CENTER'S PROBLEM WITH A
18:50:20 NEW COUNCIL.
18:50:21 IT'S ONLY GOING TO DELAY IT AND
18:50:23 IT'S GOING TO MAKE -- YOU KNOW,
18:50:24 THE FEELINGS ARE GOING TO BE
18:50:26 MUCH MORE ACRIMONIOUS, AND I
18:50:27 DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET
18:50:28 TO YOUR ANSWER ANYWAY.
18:50:30 YOU MIGHT GET A WORSE ANSWER,
18:50:31 AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT
18:50:31 HAPPEN EITHER.
18:50:33 >> I'M TRYING TO SPLIT THE BABY
18:50:34 UP HERE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW,
18:50:36 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE
18:50:39 GET THIS THING DONE.
18:50:39 >> THIS IS NOTHING.
18:50:40 >>MIKE SUAREZ: THE AGREEMENT IS
18:50:41 NOTHING WE CAN DO ANYTHING
18:50:42 ABOUT.
18:50:43 ALL WE CAN DO IS STOP THE
18:50:44 PROJECT.
18:50:45 AGAIN, THE POINT THAT
18:50:47 EVERYONE'S BEEN MAKING IS THAT
18:50:48 WE CAN STOP THE PROJECT BY
18:50:50 VOTING NO, THAT'S IT.
18:50:51 WE CAN'T SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM,
18:50:52 ESPECIALLY NOT ME OR MR. COHEN
18:50:55 OR MR. REDDICK OR MS. CAPIN.
18:50:57 WE CAN'T SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM
18:50:58 HERE TONIGHT, AND THAT'S ALL
18:51:00 I'M TELLING YOU IS THAT WE
18:51:02 EITHER SAY YES OR WE SAY NO,
18:51:03 AND YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE
18:51:05 BACK TO SQUARE ONE WHERE YOU'RE
18:51:06 AT NOW.
18:51:06 OKAY.
18:51:07 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL
18:51:08 WITH THAT ISSUE OUTSIDE OF THIS
18:51:09 ROOM.
18:51:10 THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN
18:51:10 TELL YOU.
18:51:13 I KNOW -- LISTEN, WE'VE HAD A
18:51:14 LOT OF PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS,
18:51:15 AND I'VE TOLD YOU WHAT I
18:51:16 THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THE
18:51:17 ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE DOING,
18:51:18 OKAY, AND I THINK THEY'VE COME
18:51:19 A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO YOUR
18:51:20 DIRECTION.
18:51:21 IT'S NOT PERFECT.
18:51:23 I KNOW IT'S NOT.
18:51:26 [LAUGHTER]
18:51:27 IT'S COME SOMEWHAT MORE TO YOUR
18:51:28 DIRECTION, BUT I THINK I
18:51:29 UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND I
18:51:30 THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING
18:51:31 ON HERE.
18:51:32 I JUST CAN'T SOLVE YOUR
18:51:34 PROBLEM, AT LEAST NOT TONIGHT
18:51:35 OR ACTUALLY NOT NEXT WEEK
18:51:37 EITHER BECAUSE I WON'T BE HERE.
18:51:39 [LAUGHTER]
18:51:40 SO REGARDLESS, THANK YOU,
18:51:40 CHAIR.
18:51:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: MS. CAPIN.
18:51:44 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES, WE CAN.
18:51:47 WE CAN ASK THE ADMINISTRATION
18:51:49 TO USE THE WEIGHT THAT IT HAS
18:51:53 TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, AND THAT
18:51:53 HASN'T HAPPENED.
18:51:57 LISTEN, YOU ALL MADE MY POINT.
18:52:00 WE OWN THE STRAZ, ONE, AND WHEN
18:52:01 YOU SAY WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE
18:52:03 PAST, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T
18:52:05 -- THEY KEEP BRINGING IT.
18:52:07 WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO THE
18:52:07 PAST.
18:52:08 THIS IS SIX YEARS IT HAS BEEN
18:52:09 GOING.
18:52:11 IT HAS CHANGED HANDS,
18:52:12 SOMEBODY'S ALREADY MADE MONEY
18:52:14 ON IT AND NOTHING'S BEEN BUILT.
18:52:16 I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH.
18:52:18 I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH.
18:52:19 THE PROJECTS WE HAVE APPROVED,
18:52:21 PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THEM
18:52:23 TODAY, AND THIS HASN'T TAKEN
18:52:24 OFF YET.
18:52:26 IT'S IN FLUX.
18:52:27 IT'S MORPHED AND MORPHED AND
18:52:28 MORPHED.
18:52:29 SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WE CAN'T
18:52:30 GO TO THE PAST, IT'S NOT US
18:52:32 GOING TO THE PAST, THEY KEEP
18:52:34 BRINGING IT TO US, NOT THE
18:52:37 OTHER WAY AROUND.
18:52:39 AND YET -- NO, WE CAN'T SOLVE
18:52:41 THEIR PROBLEM TODAY?
18:52:45 YES, WE CAN.
18:52:46 YES, WE CAN.
18:52:48 AND IT IS INCUMBENT ON THE CITY
18:52:50 TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT
18:52:53 THE STRAZ CENTER FUNCTIONS AS
18:52:58 BEST AS IT CAN, AND THAT'S WHAT
18:52:59 [AUDIO LOST]
18:53:08 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A
18:53:08 QUICK STATEMENT?
18:53:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
18:53:11 >> I JUST -- THERE'S BEEN A LOT
18:53:12 SAID ABOUT THE DEVELOPER NOT
18:53:13 BEING PRESENT AND ALL OF THAT
18:53:15 OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, AND
18:53:17 RESPECTFULLY, WE HAVE HAD MANY,
18:53:19 MANY MEETINGS WITH THE CITY AND
18:53:21 THE STRAZ, THE DEVELOPER AND
18:53:24 THE STRAZ, THE CITY, THE STRAZ
18:53:25 WITHOUT THE DEVELOPER, AND
18:53:27 WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO
18:53:27 THAT.
18:53:28 YOU'LL SEE IN OUR AGREEMENT WE
18:53:30 AGREED TO COOPERATE AND WORK
18:53:31 WITH THEM.
18:53:33 IT'S IN OUR BENEFIT TO HAVE A
18:53:37 SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH
18:53:37 SIDES, BUT THIS IS A ROADWAY
18:53:39 IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT, AND
18:53:41 NOBODY GOES ANYWHERE UNTIL THIS
18:53:41 IS DONE.
18:53:43 WE CAN'T CLOSE WITHOUT IT.
18:53:44 WE'RE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE
18:53:46 TO CLOSE.
18:53:48 THERE WAS A LOT OF DESIGN AND
18:53:49 EFFORT PUT INTO THAT, AND THEN
18:53:52 WHEN THE ANNEX WENT AWAY, THERE
18:53:54 WAS SOME ROAD REALIGNMENT THAT
18:53:55 THE CITY WANTED THAT WE ALL
18:53:56 WORKED TOGETHER.
18:53:58 SO I UNDERSTAND THAT
18:54:00 MR. SHEPARD IS NOT HAPPY AT THE
18:54:02 MOMENT, BUT I WILL COMMIT TO
18:54:04 YOU, AS WE LEGALLY COMMITTED TO
18:54:05 THEM, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE
18:54:06 TO WORK WITH THEM.
18:54:07 CAN WE GIVE THEM EVERYTHING
18:54:08 THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT
18:54:09 IT?
18:54:10 I DOUBT IT.
18:54:13 I CAN'T CONTROL THE CITY CODE.
18:54:16 IF YOUR CODE SAYS 54 INCHES ON
18:54:19 A STEP, I CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
18:54:20 BUT THERE'S A HEFTY ALLOWANCE
18:54:22 IN THERE FOR THEM, AND WE WILL
18:54:25 CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM, AND
18:54:27 HOPEFULLY, WHILE YOU'RE
18:54:29 ENJOYING YOUR RETIREMENT, EVEN
18:54:30 THOUGH SEVERAL ARE VERY SAD
18:54:32 THAT YOU ARE RETIRING, YOU'LL
18:54:34 BE ABLE TO COME SEE A GREAT
18:54:36 SHOW AT THE STRAZ AND THEN COME
18:54:40 HAVE SOME COCKTAILS, BUT THANK
18:54:40 YOU.
18:54:41 [LAUGHTER]
18:54:41 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
18:54:42 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO
18:54:46 SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
18:54:47 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO
18:54:49 SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
18:54:50 ALL RIGHT.
18:54:54 COUNCIL, WHAT IS OUR PLEASURE?
18:55:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: CHAIR?
18:55:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: YES.
18:55:12 >>MIKE SUAREZ: YOU KNOW, I DO
18:55:13 NOT HAVE A PROBLEM IN MOVING
18:55:14 THIS.
18:55:15 I DO THINK THAT EVERY
18:55:18 DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST HAD
18:55:20 CONCERNING WHAT THE CITY'S ROLE
18:55:22 IS, THEY REALLY SHOULD BE
18:55:24 WORKING AS HARD AS POSSIBLE
18:55:26 WITH THE STRAZ IN ORDER TO GET
18:55:28 THIS STUFF DONE, BUT I DO THINK
18:55:30 THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET
18:55:31 ANYTHING DONE UNLESS WE VOTE
18:55:33 YES OR NO ON THIS, SO I AM
18:55:35 GOING TO OFFER THIS UP AS A
18:55:37 YES, THIS -- I GUESS IT WOULD
18:55:39 BE THE SUBSTITUTE AGREEMENT
18:55:42 THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TO
18:55:44 MOVE FORWARD SO THAT THEN THEY
18:55:46 CAN BOTH -- BOTH PARTIES --
18:55:47 BOTH PARTIES MOVE FORWARD TO
18:55:48 GET ALL THE OTHER ISSUES
18:55:49 RESOLVED.
18:55:50 THAT'S MY MOTION.
18:55:51 >>HARRY COHEN: I'LL SECOND, BUT
18:55:54 I WANT TO ASK MR. -- CAN I ASK
18:55:55 MR. McDONAUGH A QUESTION.
18:55:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: SURE.
18:55:58 >>HARRY COHEN: CAN WE GET --
18:55:59 SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE WITHOUT --
18:56:00 WE DON'T NEED TO OPEN UP THE
18:56:02 ENTIRE DISCUSSION AGAIN.
18:56:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: NO MORE.
18:56:04 [LAUGHTER]
18:56:07 >>HARRY COHEN: BUT -- NO, WE
18:56:08 DON'T NEED TO GO OVER THE
18:56:10 ENTIRE THING, BUT I DO THINK
18:56:11 IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET ON THE
18:56:13 RECORD A COMMITMENT FROM THE
18:56:14 CITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK
18:56:16 WITH THE PARTIES TO DEAL WITH
18:56:17 THESE REMAINING ISSUES.
18:56:18 THAT'S THE ONE THING I THINK
18:56:20 ALL OF US THAT ARE OUTGOING
18:56:22 WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR IN ORDER
18:56:25 TO BE COMFORTABLE MOVING THIS
18:56:26 FORWARD BECAUSE I'M VERY
18:56:29 CONCERNED IF WE DON'T THAT THE
18:56:30 STRAZ CENTER'S GOING TO END UP
18:56:32 REALLY WITH NOTHING AND WE'RE
18:56:35 GOING TO END UP IN A VERY, VERY
18:56:39 BIG LEGAL MORE AS.
18:56:39 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I PLEDGE MY
18:56:39 BEST EFFORTS TO BRING THE
18:56:40 PARTIES TOGETHER TO GET THIS
18:56:40 DONE.
18:56:42 I'VE BEEN STRIVING TO DO THAT,
18:56:43 AND HOPEFULLY I'LL BE
18:56:44 SUCCESSFUL.
18:56:45 THE DIFFERENCES ARE NOT THAT
18:56:46 LARGE.
18:56:46 >>HARRY COHEN: THE DIFFERENCES
18:56:47 ARE NOT THAT LARGE.
18:56:48 THEY'RE NOT.
18:56:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: [OFF
18:56:50 MICROPHONE].
18:56:52 >>BOB McDONAUGH: YES.
18:56:53 >>HARRY COHEN: BUT THE ISSUE
18:56:55 HAS BEEN -- BECAUSE IT'S
18:56:56 HAPPENED EVERY SINGLE TIME
18:56:57 THROUGH THE YEARS -- THAT IT'S
18:56:58 ONLY AT THESE HEARINGS WHERE
18:56:59 WE'RE ABLE TO GET THESE ISSUES
18:57:01 TO COME TO FRUITION AND GET
18:57:01 SOLVED BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURE
18:57:03 OF THE MOMENT, AND IN THE PAST
18:57:05 WE'VE CONTINUED THEM AND -- YOU
18:57:07 KNOW, I REMEMBER ONE DAY WE
18:57:08 CONTINUED FROM THE MORNING TO
18:57:09 THE NIGHT, ONE TIME WE WENT A
18:57:11 COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND WE DON'T
18:57:13 HAVE THAT LUXURY NOW, BUT I
18:57:15 THINK THAT AT LEAST FROM MY
18:57:17 PERSPECTIVE, I REALLY DO FEEL
18:57:19 LIKE IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD,
18:57:21 WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE A VERY,
18:57:22 VERY MAJOR PIECE OF BUSINESS
18:57:23 UNDONE THAT COULD BE VERY, VERY
18:57:25 BAD FOR THE CITY AND THE STRAZ
18:57:27 CENTER, AND, YOU KNOW --
18:57:29 >>BOB McDONAUGH: NO, I PLEDGE
18:57:31 -- I DO NEED TO GET A CAVEAT.
18:57:32 YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER,
18:57:34 THERE WERE SEVEN PEOPLE IN THE
18:57:34 ELECTION.
18:57:37 ALL SEVEN WANTED ME TO STAY.
18:57:39 TWO WANTED ME TO STAY AT THE
18:57:40 CITY, FIVE WANTED ME TO STAY
18:57:41 AWAY, SO --
18:57:41 [LAUGHTER]
18:57:42 >>HARRY COHEN: I HAVE NO IDEA
18:57:43 WHAT THAT EVEN MEANS.
18:57:45 I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN
18:57:45 BY THAT.
18:57:47 I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU MEAN BY
18:57:47 THAT.
18:57:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT MEANS
18:57:50 THAT HE CAN COUNT TO SEVEN.
18:57:52 >>BOB McDONAUGH: BUT, YES, YOU
18:57:53 CERTAINLY HAVE MY PLEDGE.
18:57:54 >>YVONNE CAPIN: HE CAN COUNT TO
18:57:56 SEVEN, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
18:57:57 >>BOB McDONAUGH: NOT EIGHT,
18:57:58 YES.
18:57:59 >> WE'VE GOT THE MOTION.
18:58:00 >>YVONNE CAPIN: DISCUSSION.
18:58:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: YES.
18:58:01 WE'VE GOT A MOTION FROM
18:58:03 MR. SUAREZ, SECONDED BY
18:58:04 MR. COHEN.
18:58:05 ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
18:58:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES.
18:58:07 I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU -- I
18:58:08 APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, I
18:58:10 APPRECIATE BRINGING IT FORWARD
18:58:13 AND PUTTING IT ON RECORD THAT
18:58:17 WE WOULD WANT THE CITY TO BE A
18:58:20 HUGE PARTICIPANT IN KEEPING THE
18:58:22 TWO CONNECTED SO THAT THE STRAZ
18:58:24 AND THE DEVELOPER CAN MOVE
18:58:26 FORWARD, SO I TRULY APPRECIATE
18:58:27 WHAT YOU HAVE SAID, BOTH
18:58:29 MR. COHEN AND MR. SUAREZ.
18:58:30 THANK YOU.
18:58:31 >>HARRY COHEN: AND WE
18:58:32 APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID TOO.
18:58:33 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YEAH.
18:58:33 [LAUGHTER]
18:58:34 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY FURTHER
18:58:35 DISCUSSION?
18:58:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I JUST
18:58:37 WANT TO SAY THESE EIGHT
18:58:38 PROJECTS, FOUR OF THEM ARE
18:58:39 TRANSPORTATION.
18:58:40 THAT'S THE CITY.
18:58:41 >>BOB McDONAUGH: THAT IS THE
18:58:42 CITY.
18:58:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MEAN, BUT
18:58:45 LET ME SAY THIS.
18:58:46 IN TRANSPORTATION, NOBODY TELLS
18:58:47 TRANSPORTATION WHAT TO DO.
18:58:47 [LAUGHTER]
18:58:50 I MEAN I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT
18:58:51 NOW HOW IT GOES.
18:58:53 I MEAN, THEY CAN SAY UP OR
18:58:54 DOWN, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION
18:58:55 DEPARTMENT SAYS, I'M GOING TO
18:58:56 PAINT THIS GREEN BECAUSE THE
18:58:58 MANUAL SAYS THAT.
18:58:59 THE MANUAL MAY BE WRONG, IT MAY
18:59:01 BE AN OLD MANUAL, I DON'T KNOW.
18:59:02 >>HARRY COHEN: APPARENTLY THE
18:59:04 MAYOR CAN TELL THEM WHAT TO DO
18:59:05 IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE
18:59:06 STRIPING ON THE ROADS.
18:59:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YEAH.
18:59:09 >> CAN I JUST MAKE ONE MORE
18:59:12 COMMENT?
18:59:13 >> LORRIN SHEPARD.
18:59:14 AS WE'RE GOING TO A CONCLUSION
18:59:16 HERE AND YOU'RE COMING -- MANY
18:59:17 OF YOU ARE COMING TO A
18:59:18 CONCLUSION, I JUST DID WANT TO
18:59:20 TAKE THE MOMENT TO SAY THANK
18:59:21 YOU FOR WORKING WITH US.
18:59:22 THE STRAZ CENTER, AS YOU KNOW,
18:59:26 IS A VERY COMPLEX, VERY DIVERSE
18:59:27 EXPERIENCE.
18:59:29 I MEAN, IF YOU GO THERE TODAY,
18:59:31 YOU'RE GOING TO JUST WALK --
18:59:32 FROM ONE CORNER OF THE BUILDING
18:59:33 TO THE OTHER, YOU'RE GOING TO
18:59:37 HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT
18:59:37 EXPERIENCES.
18:59:37 AND THANKFULLY, MANY OF THEM
18:59:40 VERY SUCCESSFUL, MANY, YOU
18:59:42 KNOW, EXEMPLARY IN TERMS OF THE
18:59:44 ARTS, THE SCHOOL IS DOING
18:59:45 TERRIFIC, THE ENROLLMENT IS
18:59:47 BETTER THAN ANYTHING.
18:59:50 I REMEMBER BOB BUCKHORN IN HIS
18:59:51 FIRST SEVERAL YEARS WAS SAYING,
18:59:52 I WANT THIS TO BE THE PLACE
18:59:55 THAT MY DAUGHTERS CHOOSE TO
18:59:55 STAY.
18:59:57 WELL, IN FACT, THE PATEL
18:59:59 CONSERVATORY IS ATTRACTING
19:00:00 PARENTS AND DAUGHTERS TO
19:00:03 ACTUALLY MOVE TO TAMPA AND RENT
19:00:04 APARTMENTS SO THEIR KIDS CAN GO
19:00:06 TO THE PATEL DANCE CLASSES,
19:00:06 PARTICULARLY THE BALLET
19:00:09 PROGRAM, AND THEN MANY OF THEM
19:00:10 ARE GOING FROM THERE TO LONDON
19:00:11 TO DANCE IN THE BALLET
19:00:13 COMPANIES, TO NEW YORK, TO
19:00:17 GERMANY, TO FRANKFURT, HAMBURG,
19:00:20 SO I CAN'T TELL YOU -- I WAKE
19:00:22 UP EVERY MORNING THRILLED TO BE
19:00:23 A PART OF THAT AND TO CONTINUE
19:00:23 THAT.
19:00:25 SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS
19:00:28 MY COMMITMENT TO KEEPING THAT
19:00:32 PLACE ACCESSIBLE AND A MAGNET
19:00:34 TO FOLKS WHO WANT TO ENJOY AN
19:00:36 EVENING, AND, YES, WE'RE
19:00:38 GETTING INVOLVED IN SOME
19:00:39 SQUABBLES AND THIS AND THAT,
19:00:41 BUT IT'S ALL BECAUSE THAT'S
19:00:43 WHAT JUDY LISI AND LORRIN
19:00:44 SHEPARD WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, AND
19:00:45 THAT'S WHY WE WAKE UP EVERY
19:00:47 MORNING, AND YOU'VE BEEN A
19:00:48 TREMENDOUS PART OF THAT, AND I
19:00:50 WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR IT.
19:00:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: THANK YOU.
19:00:51 ALL RIGHT.
19:00:52 WE'VE GOT A MOTION FROM
19:00:55 MR. SUAREZ, SECONDED BY
19:00:56 MR. COHEN.
19:00:57 ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM
19:00:57 COUNCIL?
19:00:59 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT
19:01:00 MOTION SAY AYE.
19:01:01 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:01:02 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THAT'S MY GIFT,
19:01:04 MY PARTING GIFT, AYE.
19:01:05 [LAUGHTER]
19:01:12 >> MOTION CARRIED -- MOTION TO
19:01:15 APPROVE THE RESOLUTION -- ADOPT
19:01:18 THE RESOLUTION WAS UNANIMOUS.
19:01:19 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:01:21 WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
19:01:24 >> MOVE TO OPEN ITEMS 1-5.
19:01:25 >> SECOND.
19:01:27 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:01:29 ANYONE WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK ON
19:01:31 ITEMS 1-4, PLEASE STAND TO BE
19:01:32 SWORN.
19:01:34 IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON
19:01:37 ITEMS 1-4, IF YOU'RE EVEN
19:01:39 THINKING ABOUT SPEAKING ON
19:01:41 ITEMS 1-4, PLEASE STAND AND BE
19:01:43 SWORN IN.
19:01:45 >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT
19:01:45 HAND.
19:01:45 [PARTICIPANTS SWORN IN]
19:01:52 THANK YOU.
19:01:55 >>RYAN MANASSE: GOOD EVENING,
19:01:57 CITY COUNCIL.
19:01:57 RYAN MANASSE, LAND DEVELOPMENT
19:02:00 COORDINATION.
19:02:02 ITEM NO. 1 IS FOR APPLICATION
19:02:06 AB2-19-08, FOR THE PROPERTY AT
19:02:08 1420 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
19:02:09 THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE
19:02:09 PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL
19:02:12 INTENSIVE, CI, AND THE FUTURE
19:02:12 LAND USE IS COMMUNITY
19:02:13 COMMERCIAL-35, CC-35.
19:02:13 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
19:02:14 COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
19:02:15 THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT
19:02:16 INCONSISTENT WITH THE
19:02:18 APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND
19:02:19 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
19:02:20 IF APPROVED ON FIRST READING,
19:02:21 MINOR CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE
19:02:22 PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED BETWEEN
19:02:24 FIRST AND SECOND READING.
19:02:25 THOSE ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF
19:02:28 REPORT AS WELL.
19:02:29 THE PETITION BEFORE YOU IS
19:02:30 REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE
19:02:32 APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF
19:02:33 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR A SMALL
19:02:36 VENUE BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION
19:02:40 ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
19:02:40 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
19:02:41 THE LAST USE, ACCORDING TO CITY
19:02:41 RECORDS, IS A CHURCH.
19:02:44 PROPOSED USES ARE MICROBREWERY,
19:02:45 BAR, RETAIL SALES, AND THE
19:02:48 TOTAL AB SALES AREA IS 8,239
19:02:50 SQUARE FEET, WHICH CONTAINS
19:02:53 7,480 SQUARE FEET INDOOR AND
19:02:56 759 SQUARE FEET OUTDOOR.
19:02:56 THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE
19:02:59 PROPOSED USES IS THE FOLLOWING:
19:03:00 A BAR IS OCCUPANCY MULTIPLIED
19:03:03 BY .25 FOR THE SITE PLAN OR THE
19:03:04 FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED
19:03:05 AND REVIEWED.
19:03:07 IT WAS 142 PEOPLE, WHICH
19:03:09 REQUIRES 36 SPACES.
19:03:10 THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING, WHICH
19:03:11 WOULD BE THE BREWERY COMPONENT,
19:03:14 IS .6 PER EMPLOYEE ON THE
19:03:15 LARGEST SHIFT.
19:03:16 THEY SAY THERE ARE 16
19:03:17 EMPLOYEES, AND THAT WOULD
19:03:20 REQUIRE TEN SPACES, THE TOTAL
19:03:21 REQUIRED PARKING BEING 46
19:03:23 SPACES FOR THE SITE, AND THE
19:03:24 SITE IS PROVIDING TEN SPACES,
19:03:27 SO THAT'S A 78% REDUCTION ON
19:03:28 THE REQUIRED ON-SITE PARKING.
19:03:29 THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE
19:03:31 TAMPA HEIGHTS URBAN VILLAGE,
19:03:31 AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATION
19:03:33 REQUIREMENT IS 250 FEET FROM
19:03:35 OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
19:03:36 THE SITE PLAN STATES THE HOURS
19:03:38 OF OPERATION WILL BE CONSISTENT
19:03:41 WITH CHAPTER 14 AND NO OUTSIDE
19:03:43 -- I'M SORRY -- AND NO OUTSIDE
19:03:44 AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 11:00
19:03:44 P.M.
19:03:46 THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT THE
19:03:48 SALES AREA SHOULD NOT BE
19:03:49 LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKING OR
19:03:51 LOADING AREA OR SPACE, AND ALL
19:03:53 PERMITS ISSUED AFTER APRIL 1st,
19:03:55 2011, SHALL BE KEPT ON-SITE, A
19:03:57 COPY OF THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE
19:03:59 AND ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN FOR
19:04:00 THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
19:04:00 PERMIT.
19:04:01 AS I STATED, LAND DEVELOPMENT
19:04:02 COORDINATION DID FIND IT
19:04:05 INCONSISTENT, AND THAT'S DUE TO
19:04:06 SECTION 27-132, WHICH IS THE
19:04:06 REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED
19:04:09 DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM OTHER
19:04:09 AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS, AS
19:04:12 WELL AS SECTION 27-283.7, WHICH
19:04:13 IS THE REDUCTION IN THE
19:04:17 REQUIRED ON-SITE PARKING FROM
19:04:19 46 SPACES TO TEN, A 78%
19:04:19 REDUCTION.
19:04:20 TRANSPORTATION DID FIND IT
19:04:23 INCONSISTENT, AND THAT WAS FOR
19:04:25 SECTION 27-283.7, THE REDUCTION
19:04:27 IN THE REQUIRED PARKING.
19:04:28 THE WAIVERS LISTED ON THE SITE
19:04:28 PLAN THAT ARE BEFORE YOU COME
19:04:31 FROM SECTION 27-283.7, AND
19:04:31 THAT'S LISTED AS TO REDUCE THE
19:04:32 REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING
19:04:35 SPACES FROM 46 TO TEN, A 78%
19:04:38 REDUCTION, AND SECTION 27-132,
19:04:40 TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED DISTANCE
19:04:42 SEPARATION TO OTHER AB SALES
19:04:45 ESTABLISHMENTS FROM 250 FEET TO
19:04:48 132 FEET.
19:04:48 THE CLOSEST AB SALES
19:04:50 ESTABLISHMENT IS LOCATED AT
19:04:52 1609 NORTH FLORIDA STREET.
19:04:52 IT THE OCEANIC MARKET.
19:04:54 IT'S ZONED CI, HOLDS A 2APS FOR
19:04:56 BEER AND WINE, AND IT'S 132
19:04:57 FEET AWAY.
19:04:58 SOME GENERAL PLANNING AND
19:05:00 TRANSIT FINDINGS FOUND THE HART
19:05:02 ROUTE 15 TYPICALLY RUNS
19:05:07 WEEKDAYS FROM 4:05 A.M. TO
19:05:07 12:43 P.M., AND WEEKENDS FROM
19:05:08 6:00 A.M. TO 10:48 P.M., AND,
19:05:08 AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED
19:05:10 IN THE TAMPA HEIGHTS URBAN
19:05:11 VILLAGE.
19:05:12 SOME CODE CRITERIA THAT'S
19:05:14 LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR
19:05:15 YOUR CONSIDERATION AND
19:05:16 REFERENCE COME FROM SECTION
19:05:18 27-43, AND THAT'S DEFINITIONS.
19:05:19 THIS BEING A SMALL VENUE,
19:05:20 THAT'S A COMMERCIAL
19:05:21 ESTABLISHMENT WITH LESS THAN
19:05:24 300-PERSON OCCUPANCY WHICH
19:05:25 SELLS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AS
19:05:26 WELL AS THE CLASSIFICATION OF
19:05:28 BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON
19:05:29 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
19:05:31 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND AS
19:05:32 WELL AS A MICROBREWERY AND BAR
19:05:37 WAS DEFINED UNDER THAT SECTION.
19:05:37 SECTION 27-129, GENERAL
19:05:38 STANDARDS, ARE LISTED IN THE
19:05:38 STAFF REPORT FOR YOUR REFERENCE
19:05:41 AS WELL.
19:05:43 I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOME SITE
19:05:45 PHOTOS.
19:05:48 HERE'S THE MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
19:05:48 THE INTERSTATE.
19:05:49 YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY
19:05:52 OUTLINED IN RED.
19:05:53 AS YOU SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE
19:05:55 PROPERTY'S -- ACTUALLY ALL THE
19:05:56 PROPERTIES AROUND THE SUBJECT
19:05:59 PROPERTY ARE ZONED CI.
19:06:01 TOP PICTURE IS 1420, THE
19:06:03 SUBJECT SITE, AND BELOW IS THE
19:06:05 EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE OF
19:06:08 THE SUBJECT SITE.
19:06:09 TOP PICTURE IS SOUTH SIDE OF
19:06:12 THE STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE
19:06:13 LOWER PICTURE IS SHOWING THE
19:06:14 PARKING AREA, WHICH WOULD HOUSE
19:06:18 THE TEN ON-SITE PARKING SPACES.
19:06:20 THIS IS A VIEW SOUTH ON FLORIDA
19:06:22 AVENUE AND BELOW IS A VIEW ON
19:06:24 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE -- OR A
19:06:26 VIEW NORTH ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
19:06:27 THIS IS WHERE THE OCEANIC
19:06:28 MARKET IS.
19:06:30 IT'S THE CLOSEST AB SALES
19:06:33 ESTABLISH AT 1609 NORTH TAMPA
19:06:33 STREET.
19:06:35 IT'S DIRECTLY WEST.
19:06:38 THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW.
19:06:40 AND THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE
19:06:42 SOUTHEAST LOOKING DOWN --
19:06:45 THAT'S FLORIDA.
19:06:46 THE STAFF REPORT DOES STATE THE
19:06:47 CORRECTIONS THAT WOULD BE
19:06:49 REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
19:06:50 SECOND READING AS WELL AS
19:06:52 THERE'S A MARKED-UP SITE PLAN
19:06:53 FOR THAT.
19:06:54 TPD HAD NO OBJECTION TO THE
19:06:55 REQUEST, AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE
19:06:58 FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
19:06:58 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS
19:06:59 FROM COUNCIL?
19:06:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: [OFF
19:07:00 MICROPHONE].
19:07:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: YES, SIR.
19:07:03 >>MIKE SUAREZ: ANSWER THE
19:07:05 QUESTION AS TO WHY IT'S -- IT'S
19:07:07 A SMALL VENUE IS BECAUSE IT'S
19:07:08 300 PEOPLE OR LESS, IS THAT THE
19:07:09 REASON WHY?
19:07:10 >> CORRECT.
19:07:10 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
19:07:12 NOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE
19:07:12 PLAN.
19:07:13 HOW MUCH OF IT IS USABLE SPACE
19:07:17 VS. WHAT IS BEING USED FOR THE
19:07:20 PRODUCTION OF THE BEER BECAUSE
19:07:22 MAYBE I'M MISSING WHAT THE
19:07:23 TOTAL SIZE IS BECAUSE THAT --
19:07:26 THAT TOTAL THAT YOU HAVE THERE
19:07:30 IS 7480 SQUARE FOOT ON THE
19:07:31 INSIDE.
19:07:36 HOW MUCH OF THAT'S TAKEN UP BY
19:07:39 -- BY THE PRODUCTION OF THE --
19:07:39 OF THE BEER?
19:07:41 AM I WRONG TO ASK THAT OR IS
19:07:42 THAT --
19:07:42 >> NO.
19:07:44 WELL, THE ENTIRE SITE --
19:07:45 >>MIKE SUAREZ: IT LOOKS LIKE A
19:07:47 LOT OF IT IS BEING TAKEN UP BY
19:07:47 BEER PRODUCTION.
19:07:49 >> THAT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S
19:07:50 CALCULATED AS DIFFERENT
19:07:52 OCCUPANCY FOR THAT, THAT WOULD
19:07:52 BE THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING
19:07:54 AREA, SO WE WOULDN'T HOLD IT TO
19:07:55 THE LIKE THE BAR OCCUPANCY OF
19:07:56 THE .25 PER PERSON.
19:08:00 SO WHAT THE ARCHITECT DID WAS
19:08:00 DID LIFE SAFETY CODE FOR THE
19:08:01 FLOOR PLAN ON THE BAR PART, AND
19:08:02 IT WOULD BE LIGHT MANUFACTURING
19:08:06 FOR THE BREWERY SIDE OF IT AND
19:08:07 THAT'S, OBVIOUSLY, THE EIGHT
19:08:08 PEOPLE OR THE PER-SHIFT
19:08:09 CALCULATION FOR PARKING.
19:08:10 AS FAR AS IT BEING AB ZONED,
19:08:12 THE ENTIRE -- THE FLOOR PLAN
19:08:15 WOULD HAVE TO BE AB ZONED TO --
19:08:16 >>MIKE SUAREZ: NO, I UNDERSTAND
19:08:17 THAT.
19:08:18 YOU'RE GETTING TO WHERE I'M
19:08:20 GOING WITH THIS WHICH IS WE'RE
19:08:21 BEING ASKED TO MAKE A PRETTY
19:08:24 HUGE REDUCTION -- I SHOULDN'T
19:08:25 SAY PRETTY HUGE, IT IS A HUGE
19:08:27 REDUCTION, TO TEN PARKING
19:08:29 SPACES, AND -- BUT WHEN I'M
19:08:30 LOOKING AT THIS, IT DOESN'T
19:08:31 LOOK LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT
19:08:34 NECESSARILY NEEDS THE 46 BASED
19:08:36 ON THE SIZE OF WHERE THEY'RE
19:08:40 GOING TO SERVE AS OPPOSED TO
19:08:40 WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE
19:08:40 BEER, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS
19:08:40 ASKING.
19:08:41 AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS --
19:08:43 AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT
19:08:45 PART OF THE CALCULATIONS, BUT
19:08:46 AM I CORRECT TO SAY THAT A
19:08:48 BLOCK FROM THERE THERE IS CITY
19:08:49 PARKING THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE
19:08:50 INTERSTATE?
19:08:51 >> I BELIEVE THERE IS.
19:08:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
19:08:53 >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF STAFF,
19:08:55 WE WILL ONLY CALCULATE ON-SITE
19:08:56 PARKING.
19:08:57 WE'LL RECOGNIZE OFF-SITE
19:08:58 PARKING THROUGH A DESIGN
19:08:59 EXCEPTION.
19:09:02 THE APPLICANT DID NOT PROVIDE A
19:09:03 DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION
19:09:04 FOR PARKING.
19:09:05 I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS A
19:09:06 LEASE AGREEMENT THEY'RE GOING
19:09:07 TO PRESENT TO YOU.
19:09:09 IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY CAN
19:09:10 RECOGNIZE UNLESS THEY DID THE
19:09:11 OFFICIAL PROCESS.
19:09:12 TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT
19:09:13 THE OCCUPANCY FOR THE BAR
19:09:15 SECTION, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE
19:09:15 OF SEATING YOU USE, WHETHER
19:09:18 IT'S FIXED, BENCHED, THAT KIND
19:09:20 OF THING, THAT CAN CALCULATE
19:09:21 MORE PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHY
19:09:22 THAT NUMBER'S CLOSE TO ACCURATE
19:09:24 FOR WHAT THEY'RE USING, THEY'RE
19:09:27 USING CURRENT BUILDING CODE OR
19:09:28 2017 FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, SO
19:09:30 USUALLY IT SAVES THEM TIME TO
19:09:31 USE THIS, SO AFTER THIS PROCESS
19:09:32 THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO
19:09:35 PERMITTING WITH THIS FLOOR
19:09:35 PLAN.
19:09:37 >>MIKE SUAREZ: GOT IT.
19:09:37 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:09:38 APPRECIATE IT.
19:09:39 >> YES, SIR.
19:09:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY MORE
19:09:40 QUESTIONS?
19:09:41 ALL RIGHT.
19:09:52 THE APPLICANT.
19:09:57 >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
19:09:58 MY NAME IS BEN STRANZL.
19:10:00 I'M HERE REPRESENTING THESE TWO
19:10:02 FINE GENTLEMEN, CHARLIE MEERS,
19:10:04 AND THIS IS MIKE LUCACINA.
19:10:05 THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WILL BE
19:10:06 OWNING AND RUNNING THIS BREWERY
19:10:08 IF IT'S PASSED.
19:10:10 I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY GIVING
19:10:11 US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT
19:10:12 HERE TODAY, AND I KNOW THAT WE
19:10:15 ARE ASKING FOR TWO WAIVERS, ONE
19:10:17 OF WHICH IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL,
19:10:18 AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT.
19:10:20 I HAD A SHORT STATEMENT I
19:10:21 WANTED TO READ, AND THEN IF YOU
19:10:22 HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER
19:10:24 ONE OF THESE GENTLEMEN, WE ALSO
19:10:25 HAVE OUR ARCHITECT HERE TODAY
19:10:26 WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY
19:10:27 QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AS
19:10:27 WELL.
19:10:29 AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK MR.
19:10:31 MANASSE.
19:10:32 HE'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
19:10:33 LAND DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN
19:10:34 FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH.
19:10:35 EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE WORKED
19:10:37 WITH THE CITY SO FAR HAS BEEN
19:10:39 FANTASTIC.
19:10:41 SO CHARLIE AND MIKE ARE BOTH
19:10:42 LOCAL RESIDENTS.
19:10:43 THEY WORK IN TAMPA, THEIR
19:10:44 FAMILIES LIVE IN TAMPA, THEY'VE
19:10:46 BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
19:10:49 THEY HAVE PRESENT HERE TODAY A
19:10:51 PROFOUND AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM
19:10:52 NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE
19:10:54 AND WORK IN TAMPA BUT FROM
19:10:56 OTHER COMPANIES -- COMPANIES IN
19:10:57 TAMPA, IN THE TAMPA HEIGHTS
19:10:59 VILLAGE, IN THE SEMINOLE
19:11:01 HEIGHTS AREA, IN THE YBOR AREA.
19:11:02 THEY'VE BROUGHT SUPPORT HERE.
19:11:04 THERE'S MORE SUPPORT WITHIN THE
19:11:05 COMMUNITY.
19:11:09 I BELIEVE THAT THE -- IS IT THE
19:11:12 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS OR TAMPA THE
19:11:12 HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION
19:11:14 ACTUALLY IRONICALLY HAS A
19:11:15 MEETING TONIGHT, SO SOME OF
19:11:17 THEM WERE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE,
19:11:18 AND, UNFORTUNATELY, MY
19:11:19 GENTLEMEN COULDN'T BE AT THAT
19:11:20 MEETING.
19:11:21 THEY ARE GREAT COMMUNITY
19:11:22 PEOPLE.
19:11:23 CHARLIE AND MIKE BOTH HAVE
19:11:25 PLANS TO START A CHARITY
19:11:26 THROUGH THIS BREWERY TO HELP
19:11:27 PROCESS THAT.
19:11:29 TAMPA HEIGHTS IS UNDERGOING A
19:11:31 WONDERFUL RENOVATION OVER THE
19:11:32 LAST I WANT TO SAY FIVE YEARS,
19:11:34 STARTING WITH PLACES LIKE
19:11:37 ULELE, THE HALL ON FRANKLIN,
19:11:38 ARMATURE WORKS, GARAGISTE
19:11:40 MEADERY IS RIGHT THERE.
19:11:43 FOUNDATION COFFEE IS ONE OF THE
19:11:44 BEST COFFEE PLACES IN THE CITY
19:11:45 OF TAMPA.
19:11:46 THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN
19:11:47 FANTASTIC FOR THE CITY OF
19:11:47 TAMPA.
19:11:48 THIS IS MORE OF A LINK.
19:11:50 THIS IS SOUTH OF THAT A LITTLE
19:11:52 BIT AND IT'S JUST PAST THE
19:11:52 HIGHWAY.
19:11:54 THIS IS THE START TO LINK THAT
19:11:56 RENOVATION TO THE CITY OF
19:11:57 TAMPA.
19:11:58 WE ARE JUST OUTSIDE OF THE
19:12:00 DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, AND IF --
19:12:02 TWO BLOCKS SOUTH AND THAT
19:12:03 PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE
19:12:05 SUBSTANTIALLY LESS, SO THE TWO
19:12:06 WAIVERS WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE
19:12:10 TONIGHT, AS MR. MANASSE
19:12:12 MENTIONED, THE DISTANCE
19:12:12 SEPARATION FROM THE OCEANIC
19:12:13 MARKET.
19:12:13 250 FEET IS THE REQUIREMENT.
19:12:15 THEY'RE 132 FEET AWAY.
19:12:17 WE'RE ASKING FOR 118-FOOT
19:12:19 REDUCTION ON THAT TO THE 132
19:12:20 FEET.
19:12:21 THE NEXT ONE IS THE PARKING
19:12:22 REDUCTION.
19:12:25 RIGHT NOW, BASED ON WHAT MR.
19:12:26 MANASSE SAID AND THE CITY
19:12:28 FINDINGS, IT WAS 46 PARKING
19:12:29 SPOTS.
19:12:31 46 PARKING SPOTS IN THE TAMPA
19:12:32 HEIGHTS AREA RIGHT THERE IS
19:12:34 ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND
19:12:38 ON-SITE OR ANY WAY TO DO THAT.
19:12:39 IT'S -- THE ACCARDI BROTHERS
19:12:41 ARE THE OWN OF THIS PROPERTY.
19:12:42 THAT'S WHO THEY'RE LEASING
19:12:43 THROUGH.
19:12:46 THEY'RE ALSO THE OWNERS OF 717
19:12:46 PARKING.
19:12:47 WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT
19:12:48 COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.
19:12:50 THEY'VE BEEN VERY ASSISTIVE TO
19:12:50 US.
19:12:51 IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR LEASE THAT
19:12:53 THEY'LL PROVIDE PARKING.
19:12:54 THEY ALSO PROVIDED US WITH
19:12:55 CORRESPONDENCE TO PRESENT TO
19:12:57 COUNCIL TODAY SIGNED BY JOHN
19:13:03 ACCARDI THAT STATES THAT THEY
19:13:04 ARE MAKING THEIR LOTS IN THE
19:13:06 SURROUNDING AREA AVAILABLE --
19:13:07 ONE OF WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS
19:13:09 THE STREET -- ALL AVAILABLE
19:13:11 PARKING THAT'S NECESSARY FOR
19:13:13 MAGNANIMOUS BREWING THEY ARE
19:13:14 MAKING AVAILABLE.
19:13:15 THEY ARE GOING TO WORK WITH US
19:13:16 ON THAT.
19:13:17 IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE
19:13:19 ACCARDIS ARE MAKING AVAILABLE,
19:13:21 THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC
19:13:23 PARKING UNDER THE HIGHWAY ON
19:13:25 NORTH FRANKLIN BOULEVARD.
19:13:27 AT 1616 FRANKLIN BOULEVARD
19:13:29 THERE'S AN OPEN LOT FOR PUBLIC
19:13:32 PARKING.
19:13:33 IT'S A PAY THROUGH -- WHAT'S
19:13:36 THE APP? -- PARKMOBILE.
19:13:38 THE SPOTS ON NORTH FRANKLIN ARE
19:13:39 ACTUALLY FREE.
19:13:40 AND THEN AS YOU GET DOWN CLOSER
19:13:42 TO THE HIGHWAY, THERE ARE MORE
19:13:44 PARKMOBILE AND CITY SPOTS
19:13:46 AVAILABLE, AND ONCE YOU GO
19:13:48 UNDER THE HIGHWAY, THERE'S EVEN
19:13:49 MORE SPOTS AVAILABLE, SO THERE
19:13:50 IS SUBSTANTIAL PARKING IN THIS
19:13:51 COMMUNITY.
19:13:52 THE CITY SPOTS WE CAN'T LEASE
19:13:53 OUT OR WE WOULD HAVE.
19:13:56 WE CAN'T SIGN A LONG-TERM LEASE
19:13:57 ON CITY SPOTS OR WE WOULD HAVE.
19:13:58 THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS FOR
19:14:00 LONG-TERM LEASES WITH PARKING
19:14:01 OTHER THAN WE CAN DO ELSE THAN
19:14:02 THE ONES THAT WE HAVE WORKED
19:14:04 WITH THROUGH 717 PARKING
19:14:07 ADJACENT TO ACCARDI AND THE
19:14:07 ACTUAL PUBLIC SPOTS THAT ARE
19:14:08 AVAILABLE.
19:14:09 WE DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WILL BE
19:14:11 ANY BURDEN TO THE COMMUNITY
19:14:12 THROUGH THE PARKING, ESPECIALLY
19:14:13 WITH THE ARRIVAL OF RIDESHARING
19:14:15 THAT IS USED SO OFTEN WITH
19:14:18 BREWERIES, BARS, AND THESE GUYS
19:14:19 ARE STRONG PROMOTERS OF THE
19:14:21 UBER APP AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO
19:14:22 KEEP THE PARKING DOWN A LITTLE
19:14:24 BIT.
19:14:25 THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS
19:14:27 THAT WE'RE AWARE OF TO THE
19:14:28 COMMUNITY.
19:14:30 THIS WILL HELP TO, YOU KNOW,
19:14:31 ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC WELFARE
19:14:33 IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA AND THE
19:14:34 PUBLIC HEALTH -- THERE'S A
19:14:35 VACANT BUILDING THERE RIGHT
19:14:36 NOW.
19:14:40 AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE
19:14:40 PICTURES, IT'S NOT A VERY --
19:14:41 YOU KNOW, A VERY GOOD-LOOKING
19:14:43 BUILDING FOR LACK OF A BETTER
19:14:44 PHRASE.
19:14:45 THE DESIGN DRAWINGS THAT THESE
19:14:46 GENTLEMEN HAVE THAT WERE DONE
19:14:47 BY THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM THAT
19:14:49 WE'RE WORKING WITH, IT LOOKS
19:14:50 FANTASTIC.
19:14:51 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO
19:14:53 -- EVERY TIME PEOPLE DRIVE BY
19:14:55 ON THE HIGHWAY ON 275, IF YOU
19:14:57 DRIVE BY ON 275 SOUTH AND YOU
19:14:59 GET OFF ON THE DOWNTOWN EXIT,
19:15:00 YOU WILL SEE THIS PLACE.
19:15:03 I DO IT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
19:15:04 YOU WILL SEE THIS.
19:15:05 IT WILL BE AN AESTHETIC
19:15:06 IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT AREA.
19:15:08 IT'S THE START OF THE
19:15:09 CONNECTION BETWEEN TAMPA
19:15:10 HEIGHTS AND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
19:15:12 MAGNANIMOUS IS GOING TO BE
19:15:13 BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
19:15:14 THERE ARE NO ONE THAT WE ARE
19:15:16 AWARE OF THAT HAS VOICED ANY
19:15:17 OBJECTION TO THIS.
19:15:18 OTHER BUSINESSES AND CIVIC
19:15:20 ASSOCIATIONS IN THE HEIGHTS ARE
19:15:21 ALL IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
19:15:23 YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE TODAY WITH
19:15:25 THE HOPE THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL
19:15:27 -- YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOU
19:15:28 CONSIDERING OUR APPLICATION,
19:15:30 OUR REQUEST, AND OUR WAIVERS.
19:15:31 I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARKING
19:15:34 WAIVER IS AN ISSUE, BUT WE
19:15:35 BELIEVE THAT THERE IS
19:15:36 SUFFICIENT PARKING.
19:15:37 WE BELIEVE THAT IF THOSE
19:15:38 WAIVERS ARE MET THAT THIS WILL
19:15:39 BE IN COMPLIANCE -- OR GRANTED
19:15:41 THAT WE'LL BE IN COMPLIANCE
19:15:43 WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY
19:15:43 HAS REQUESTED, AND WE'RE HOPING
19:15:47 THAT COUNCIL TONIGHT WILL
19:15:48 APPROVE THAT.
19:15:48 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR
19:15:50 MYSELF, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING
19:15:51 TO ANSWER THEM.
19:15:52 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR
19:15:53 THE ARCHITECT, SHE'S HERE TO
19:15:54 ANSWER THEM, AND BOTH CHARLIE
19:15:55 AND MIKE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY
19:15:56 QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
19:15:56 >>FRANK REDDICK:
19:15:57 MR. MANISCALCO.
19:15:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MADE A
19:15:59 LOT OF THE POINTS THAT I WANTED
19:16:02 TO MAKE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
19:16:04 THAT AREA OF TAMPA HEIGHTS
19:16:06 HISTORICALLY WAS NOT -- IT
19:16:08 WASN'T A CAR CENTRIC COMMUNITY.
19:16:10 YOU HAD THE STREETCAR THAT RAN
19:16:12 THROUGH MOST OF THAT, CONNECTED
19:16:13 DOWNTOWN AND WHATNOT.
19:16:14 HAVING SAID THAT, THE EMPTY
19:16:16 PARKING LOTS THAT YOU SEE ARE
19:16:17 BUILDINGS THAT WERE DEMOLISHED
19:16:19 OVER THE YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT
19:16:23 WE HAVE NOW, BUT THAT AREA -- I
19:16:24 REMEMBER WHEN HIDDEN SPRINGS
19:16:26 CAME BEFORE US SEVERAL YEARS
19:16:28 AGO AND I MADE THE ARGUMENT OF,
19:16:29 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE USING UBER
19:16:31 AND LYFT.
19:16:33 PEOPLE NOW, WITH AMATEUR WORKS
19:16:36 AND THE HALL ON FRANKLIN,
19:16:38 THEY'RE EITHER COMING UP THE
19:16:39 RIVERWALK, THEY'RE PARKING AT
19:16:40 ARMATURE WORKS, THEY'RE
19:16:41 WALKING.
19:16:42 THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN
19:16:43 TRAFFIC.
19:16:44 I KNOW BECAUSE I WITNESS IT.
19:16:45 SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE
19:16:47 OF PARKING, WE SHOULD -- YOU
19:16:49 KNOW -- AND YOU ASKED FOR THIS
19:16:50 PARKING WAIVER.
19:16:51 I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH IT
19:16:52 BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY
19:16:53 DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
19:16:55 THE DOWNTOWNER, WE CAN BE
19:16:56 PICKED UP HERE, DROPPED OFF
19:16:58 RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I TAKE THE
19:17:00 DOWNTOWNER FROM THE MARION
19:17:00 TRANSIT CENTER TO GET DOWN HERE
19:17:02 AND IT'S CONVENIENT.
19:17:04 THE RIVERWALK IS THERE.
19:17:05 PLENTY OF PARKING AROUND.
19:17:06 PEOPLE ARE RESTAURANT HOPPING,
19:17:08 BAR HOPPING -- NOT BAR HOPPING,
19:17:09 BUT, YOU KNOW --
19:17:10 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YEAH, THEY ARE.
19:17:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHATEVER.
19:17:13 THEY'RE ENJOYING THEMSELVES,
19:17:14 BUT THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, THE
19:17:16 WORLD HAS CHANGED, TAMPA IS
19:17:16 DIFFERENT.
19:17:18 IF YOU WOULD HAVE COME TEN
19:17:20 YEARS AGO BEFORE RIDESHARING
19:17:21 ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS --
19:17:23 THAT AREA WAS ESSENTIALLY DEAD.
19:17:25 YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR YELLOW
19:17:26 BRICK ROW ON FRANKLIN, AND NOW
19:17:28 YOU HAVE FLORIDA AVENUE THAT'S
19:17:29 BECOMING ACTIVATED.
19:17:31 I DRIVE BY THAT BUILDING EVERY
19:17:33 DAY AS I LEAVE DOWNTOWN.
19:17:37 IT'S THAT UGLY '70s
19:17:37 CONSTRUCTION THAT I DON'T THINK
19:17:39 WILL BE MEMORABLE IN HISTORY AS
19:17:41 WE LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT
19:17:42 TYPES OF ARCHITECTURE THAT WE
19:17:43 HAVE THROUGHOUT THE 20th
19:17:45 CENTURY, BUT BRINGING THIS INTO
19:17:46 THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A WELCOMING
19:17:47 ADDITION.
19:17:48 YOU DON'T HAVE HOUSES ACROSS
19:17:49 THE STREET.
19:17:50 YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMMERCIAL
19:17:52 CORRIDOR.
19:17:53 HISTORICALLY, IT HAS BEEN, AND
19:17:55 I THINK IT'S -- AND I'M GLAD TO
19:17:56 SEE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S
19:17:58 BEEN VACANT -- OTHER THAN
19:17:59 OFFICE SPACE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
19:18:00 SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT I
19:18:02 WOULD BE A -- IT WOULD BE
19:18:03 SUCCESSFUL, IT WOULD BE A
19:18:05 DEFINITE PLUS TO THE AREA, AND
19:18:07 IT FITS IN WITH HOW THAT -- YOU
19:18:09 KNOW, THE DIRECTION OF THAT
19:18:10 NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I'M IN TOTAL
19:18:11 SUPPORT OF IT.
19:18:13 >> AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I
19:18:14 CAN SAY THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE
19:18:15 REASONS THEY CHOSE THAT AREA.
19:18:17 THEY LOOKED AT PLACES IN YBOR
19:18:20 HEIGHTS, THE RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS,
19:18:20 AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND IN
19:18:21 TAMPA, AND THIS WAS THE
19:18:23 LOCATION THAT THEY SET THEIR
19:18:24 HEARTS ON.
19:18:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WOULD
19:18:26 HAVE -- IF IT WAS SEMINOLE
19:18:28 HEIGHTS, NOW YOU HAVE FLORIDA
19:18:30 AVENUE AS A HEAVY COMMERCIAL
19:18:32 CORRIDOR BUT YOU HAVE
19:18:32 RESIDENTIAL BEHIND.
19:18:34 THAT'S BECOMING SOMEWHAT OF AN
19:18:35 ISSUE.
19:18:37 LOOK AT HOWARD AVENUE AND SOHO,
19:18:38 YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE GOLD
19:18:39 STANDARD OF A MESS.
19:18:40 [LAUGHTER]
19:18:41 BUT THIS -- YOU KNOW, IT'S IN
19:18:42 THE RIGHT PLACE.
19:18:44 YOU CHOSE THE RIGHT LOCATION,
19:18:45 AND I'M GLAD THAT THAT SPOT WAS
19:18:46 AVAILABLE FOR THIS.
19:18:47 YOU KNOW, YOU NEED SPACE FOR A
19:18:49 BREWERY, AND THIS IS PERFECT.
19:18:50 HIDDEN SPRINGS HAS BEEN
19:18:50 SUCCESSFUL.
19:18:52 EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND THERE'S
19:18:53 BEEN SUCCESSFUL, SO GREAT.
19:18:55 >> THESE GUYS ARE VERY CLOSE
19:18:56 FRIENDS WITH THE HIDDEN SPRINGS
19:18:57 GUYS AS WELL.
19:18:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, GOOD.
19:18:59 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY OTHER
19:19:00 QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
19:19:00 COUNCIL?
19:19:02 >>HARRY COHEN: I JUST WANT TO
19:19:04 SAY I REALLY LIKE THE NAME
19:19:05 MAGNANIMOUS BREWING.
19:19:08 IN THE SPIRIT OF MAGNANIMITY,
19:19:10 I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH ABOUT
19:19:13 80% OF WHAT GUIDO SAID.
19:19:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND ALSO
19:19:15 I'M GLAD YOU DIDN'T USE FLORIDA
19:19:17 AVENUE IN THE NAME BECAUSE WE
19:19:19 -- I KNOW.
19:19:19 [LAUGHTER]
19:19:20 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:19:21 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO
19:19:22 SPEAK ON ITEM NO. 1?
19:19:23 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO
19:19:25 SPEAK ON ITEM NO. 1?
19:19:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO
19:19:27 CLOSE.
19:19:28 >>HARRY COHEN: SECOND.
19:19:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: I'VE GOT A
19:19:30 MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA, SECOND
19:19:31 BY MR. COHEN.
19:19:33 ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY
19:19:33 AYE.
19:19:34 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:19:35 MR. VIERA, WOULD YOU BE KIND
19:19:36 ENOUGH TO READ?
19:19:37 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I WILL,
19:19:38 MR. CHAIR.
19:19:39 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING
19:19:39 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
19:19:40 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE
19:19:44 APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
19:19:45 (S-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
19:19:48 SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION
19:19:48 ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
19:19:49 FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION,
19:19:52 AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
19:19:54 BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT
19:19:56 CERTAIN LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF
19:19:58 LAND LOCATED AT 1420 NORTH
19:19:59 FLORIDA AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
19:19:59 AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED
19:20:02 IN SECTION 2; PROVIDING THAT
19:20:02 ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
19:20:02 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
19:20:04 REPEALED; PROVIDING AN
19:20:04 EFFECTIVE DATE.
19:20:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
19:20:06 >>FRANK REDDICK: I'VE GOT A
19:20:08 MOTION FROM MR. VIERA, SECONDED
19:20:09 BY MR. MANISCALCO.
19:20:11 ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY
19:20:12 AYE.
19:20:14 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:20:16 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
19:20:17 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO
19:20:20 BE HELD ON MAY 16th, 2019, AT
19:20:20 9:30 A.M.
19:20:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:20:22 THANK YOU.
19:20:22 >> THANK YOU.
19:20:23 >> THANK YOU.
19:20:24 >> THANK YOU.
19:20:25 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:20:36 ITEM NO. 2.
19:20:40 >> RYAN MANASSE, LAND
19:20:40 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
19:20:42 ITEM NO. 2 IS APPLICATION
19:20:44 AB2-19-09.
19:20:46 THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 2912
19:20:50 AND 2914 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD.
19:20:53 THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE
19:20:54 PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL GENERAL,
19:20:54 CG, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS
19:20:57 COMMUNITY MIXED USE-35, CMU-35.
19:20:57 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
19:20:57 COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
19:20:59 THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT
19:21:00 INCONSISTENT WITH THE
19:21:01 APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND
19:21:03 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND IF
19:21:04 IT WERE TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT
19:21:05 ON FIRST READING, MINOR
19:21:06 CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN
19:21:08 WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR SECOND
19:21:09 READING.
19:21:10 THE PETITION BEFORE YOU IS
19:21:12 REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE
19:21:13 APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF
19:21:14 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR A SMALL
19:21:16 VENUE, BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR,
19:21:17 PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE
19:21:19 CONSUMPTION ONLY.
19:21:20 THIS PETITION IS NOT CONSIDERED
19:21:22 A CHANGE OF USE AND THE
19:21:24 PROPOSED USE IS RETAIL SALES.
19:21:26 THEIR REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE
19:21:27 SITE IS 39 SPACES APPROVED
19:21:30 THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT BLD
19:21:34 14-0411871, AND THE TOTAL AB
19:21:36 SALES AREA IS 2,596 SQUARE
19:21:38 FEET, WHICH IS INDOOR ONLY.
19:21:40 THE PROPERTY IS ALONG THE
19:21:41 MIXED-USE CORRIDOR VILLAGE AND
19:21:43 REQUIRES 250 FEET FROM
19:21:44 RESIDENTIAL USES AND 250 FEET
19:21:45 FROM OTHER AB SALES
19:21:46 ESTABLISHMENTS.
19:21:47 THE SITE PLAN STATES THE HOURS
19:21:48 OF OPERATION WILL BE CONSISTENT
19:21:50 WITH CHAPTER 14 AND THAT SALES
19:21:51 -- I'M SORRY -- AND THE SALES
19:21:54 AREA SHALL BE NOT -- I'M SORRY,
19:21:56 THE SALES AREA SHOULD NOT BE
19:21:57 LOCATED WITHIN A PARKING OR
19:21:58 LOADING AREA OR SPACE.
19:22:00 ALSO, THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT
19:22:02 ALL PERMITS ISSUED AFTER APRIL
19:22:03 1st, 2011, SHALL BE KEPT
19:22:07 ON-SITE, A COPY OF THE ADOPTED
19:22:10 ORDINANCE AND THE ASSOCIATED
19:22:10 SITE PLAN FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
19:22:10 SALES PERMIT.
19:22:11 LAND DEVELOPMENT DID FIND IT
19:22:11 INCONSISTENT, AND THAT'S DUE TO
19:22:11 THE DISTANCE SEPARATION
19:22:13 REQUIREMENTS LISTED FOR 27-132
19:22:14 FOR THE REDUCTION OF DISTANCE
19:22:16 FROM OTHER AB SALES
19:22:17 ESTABLISHMENTS, AS WELL AS THE
19:22:19 RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN 250
19:22:19 FEET.
19:22:21 THE WAIVERS ARE LISTED ON THE
19:22:22 SITE PLAN FOR YOUR APPROVAL
19:22:23 TONIGHT ARE -- COME FROM
19:22:27 SECTION 27-132, TO REDUCE THE
19:22:28 REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION TO
19:22:29 OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS
19:22:33 FROM 250 FEET TO 213 FEET AND
19:22:35 ALSO SECTION 27-132 TO REDUCE
19:22:36 THE REQUIRED DISTANCE
19:22:37 SEPARATION TO RESIDENTIAL USES
19:22:41 FROM 250 FEET TO 216 FEET.
19:22:42 THE CLOSEST AB SALES
19:22:43 ESTABLISHMENT IS BUSCH GARDENS,
19:22:44 AND THEY'RE DIRECTLY EAST OF
19:22:45 THE SUBJECT SITE.
19:22:47 THEY'RE AT 3605 EAST
19:22:48 BOUGAINVILLEA.
19:22:49 IT'S ZONED PD.
19:22:51 THEY HOLD A 4-COP, AND THEY'RE
19:22:53 213 FEET AWAY.
19:22:54 THE RESIDENTIAL USE THAT'S
19:22:57 CLOSEST IS AT 9206 NORTH 29th
19:22:59 STREET.
19:22:59 IT'S ZONED RS-60, AND IT'S AT
19:23:01 216 FEET AWAY.
19:23:02 HART ROUTE TYPICALLY -- I'M
19:23:06 SORRY, HART ROUTE 39 TYPICALLY
19:23:07 RUNS WEEKDAYS FROM 4:30 A.M.
19:23:07 UNTIL 11:19 P.M. AND THE
19:23:10 WEEKENDS FROM 6:00 A.M. TO
19:23:11 11:14 P.M.
19:23:13 THE PROPERTY IS ALONG A
19:23:15 MIXED-USE CORRIDOR VILLAGE, AND
19:23:16 SOME CODE CRITERIA FOR THE CITY
19:23:16 COUNCIL TO REFERENCE AND
19:23:18 CONSIDERATION COME FROM 27-43,
19:23:19 DEFINITIONS.
19:23:20 THIS IS BEING A SMALL VENUE,
19:23:22 SO, AGAIN, A COMMERCIAL
19:23:23 ESTABLISHMENT WITH LESS THAN
19:23:26 300-PERSON OCCUPANCY WHICH
19:23:27 SELLS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND
19:23:28 THE AB CLASSIFICATION BEING
19:23:30 BEER AND WINE -- BEER, WINE,
19:23:32 AND LIQUOR, PACKAGE SALES,
19:23:37 OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION ONLY,
19:23:37 AND THEIR PROPOSED USE OF THE
19:23:39 RETAIL SALES SHOPPERS GOODS.
19:23:39 OTHER CODE CRITERIA FOR YOUR
19:23:40 CONSIDERATION AND REFERENCE IS
19:23:42 SECTION 27-129.
19:23:43 THAT'S LISTED IN THE STAFF
19:23:44 REPORT UNDER GENERAL STANDARDS.
19:23:46 I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU A VICINITY
19:23:48 MAP OF THE AREA.
19:23:52 SO AS YOU CAN SEE, OUTLINED IN
19:23:54 RED IS THE SUBJECT SITE.
19:23:55 IT'S A STRIP CENTER.
19:23:57 HERE'S BUSCH GARDENS THAT I
19:23:57 REFERENCED AS THE CLOSEST
19:23:57 ALCOHOL, AND THE RESIDENTIAL
19:24:01 USES ZONED RS-60 ARE RIGHT
19:24:02 HERE.
19:24:03 THIS SITE HAS GONE THROUGH
19:24:05 PERMITTING, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S
19:24:06 NOT CONSIDERED A CHANGE OF USE,
19:24:08 SO IT'S NOT OPEN CURRENTLY, BUT
19:24:09 IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE
19:24:10 CONSTRUCTION SERVICE PROCESS TO
19:24:11 GET THE PERMITS FOR THE
19:24:12 ESTABLISHMENT.
19:24:14 THIS IS JUST SOME PICTURES OF
19:24:15 THE STRIP CENTER.
19:24:20 THIS IS THE PARKING AREA.
19:24:22 THIS IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE
19:24:23 PROPERTY, AND THIS IS THE REAR
19:24:25 OF THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS A
19:24:26 HOTEL THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE
19:24:29 NORTH.
19:24:30 TOP PICTURE IS THE CLOSEST
19:24:34 RESIDENTIAL, ZONED RS-60, AND I
19:24:38 DID MY BEST TO GET YOU A I
19:24:40 CROSS THE STREET OF BUSCH
19:24:41 GARDENS THERE.
19:24:41 THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET AT
19:24:43 BUSCH BOULEVARD LOOKING SOUTH,
19:24:46 LOOKING WEST ON BUSCH, LOOKING
19:24:48 SOUTH ON BUSCH.
19:24:49 THE STAFF REPORT DOES STATE THE
19:24:49 CORRECTIONS THAT WOULD BE
19:24:50 REQUIRED AS WELL AS A MARKED-UP
19:24:51 SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND
19:24:53 SECOND READING, AND TPD HAD NO
19:24:55 OBJECTION TO THIS ALCOHOL
19:24:55 BEVERAGE REQUEST.
19:24:56 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY
19:24:57 QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
19:24:59 >>HARRY COHEN: JUST ONE QUICK
19:24:59 QUESTION.
19:25:00 >>FRANK REDDICK: YES.
19:25:01 >>HARRY COHEN: THE DISTANCE
19:25:04 SEPARATION WAIVER IS BECAUSE OF
19:25:05 THE DISTANCE FROM BUSCH
19:25:05 GARDENS?
19:25:09 >> BUSCH GARDENS HOLDS AN
19:25:10 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
19:25:11 CLASSIFICATION, SO IT'S THE
19:25:12 CLOSEST ALCOHOL
19:25:13 BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT.
19:25:14 >>HARRY COHEN: BUT I THINK IT'S
19:25:15 FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S CONTAINED
19:25:16 WITHIN THE PARK?
19:25:18 >> WE WOULD HOPE SO.
19:25:19 >>HARRY COHEN: YES, RIGHT,
19:25:21 WOULD HE WOULD HOPE SO.
19:25:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY OTHER
19:25:24 QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR
19:25:25 STAFF?
19:25:25 ALL RIGHT.
19:25:26 APPLICANT.
19:25:29 >> HI, THERE.
19:25:31 MY NAME IS PATRICIA ORTIZ.
19:25:34 MY ADDRESS IS 2810 NORTH
19:25:36 CENTRAL AVENUE, AND MR. MANASSE
19:25:38 HIT ON MOST OF THE SALIENT
19:25:39 FACTS HERE.
19:25:42 WE ARE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL
19:25:43 USE-2 TO ALLOW FOR A PACKAGE
19:25:44 STORE.
19:25:47 THAT PACKAGE STORE IS GOING TO
19:25:49 BE CALLED FANTASTIC LIQUOR, AND
19:25:50 IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST
19:25:51 CORNER OF BUSCH BOULEVARD AND
19:25:53 NORTH 30th STREET.
19:25:54 THE SITE IS ZONED COMMERCIAL
19:25:55 GENERAL AND IT'S DEVELOPED WITH
19:25:56 A STRIP CENTER.
19:25:57 WITHIN THAT STRIP CENTER, THE
19:26:00 ALLOWED USES ARE RETAIL SALES,
19:26:01 AND A LIQUOR STORE IS ONE OF
19:26:03 THE MANY USES THAT ARE ALLOWED
19:26:05 UNDER THAT UMBRELLA TERM
19:26:06 "RETAIL SALES."
19:26:08 THE PLAZA HAS A MODERN
19:26:09 APPEARANCE, AND IT CONTRIBUTES
19:26:11 TO THE REDEVELOPMENT EFFORTS
19:26:13 ALONG BUSCH BOULEVARD.
19:26:15 IT MEETS THE BUILDING SETBACK
19:26:17 REQUIREMENTS.
19:26:19 SIDEWALKS ARE LOCATED ALONG ALL
19:26:21 THREE FRONTAGES, AND, OF
19:26:22 COURSE, THERE'S LANDSCAPING.
19:26:24 THERE ARE 39 PARKING SPACES
19:26:27 WITHIN THE PARKING LOT.
19:26:30 THIS SITE HAS A LONG HISTORY OF
19:26:31 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES.
19:26:33 IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED AS
19:26:35 DJ'S OYSTER BAR, AND THAT
19:26:36 RESTAURANT WAS IN PLACE THROUGH
19:26:40 THE '80s AND PROBABLY
19:26:40 THROUGHOUT THE '90s.
19:26:43 AFTER THAT, SEVERAL OTHER
19:26:43 RESTAURANTS ESTABLISHED
19:26:48 ON-SITE, AND THE PROPERTY LOST
19:26:52 ITS WET ZONE DESIGNATION IN
19:26:53 2015 WHILE THEY WERE GOING
19:26:55 THROUGH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT
19:26:57 PROCESS FOR THE SHOPPING
19:26:59 CENTER.
19:27:00 THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THE
19:27:02 LIQUOR STORE WILL BE CONSISTENT
19:27:04 WITH THE CITY CODE CHAPTER 14,
19:27:07 AND THE LIQUOR LICENSE WILL BE
19:27:08 REQUIRED.
19:27:10 THE TAMPA POLICE SUBSTATION IS
19:27:12 LOCATED ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET
19:27:14 NORTH OF THE PROPERTY, AND THE
19:27:16 PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH
19:27:18 THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT,
19:27:19 BUT IT DOES NOT MEET A STRICT
19:27:21 COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
19:27:23 AS YOU MENTIONED, THE NEAREST
19:27:24 OTHER ESTABLISHMENT SELLING
19:27:27 ALCOHOL IS BUSCH GARDENS.
19:27:30 THAT IS A LIMITED-ACCESS PARK.
19:27:31 THE ENTRANCE TO BUSCH GARDENS
19:27:34 IS ABOUT A MILE AWAY.
19:27:35 THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL
19:27:40 PROPERTY IS LOCATED 216 FEET
19:27:42 FROM THE PROPERTY, BUT THE
19:27:43 ROUTE THAT A REASONABLE PERSON
19:27:45 WOULD TAKE TO GET FROM POINT TO
19:27:46 POINT IS MUCH GREATER THAN
19:27:51 THAT, 216 FEET BECAUSE WE CAN'T
19:27:53 -- WE WOULD WALK, YOU KNOW,
19:27:54 ACROSS THE STREET, BUT WE CAN'T
19:27:56 CUT THROUGH THIS PARKING LOT
19:27:58 AND JUMP OVER A FENCE, IT'S
19:28:00 JUST NOT PRACTICAL OR
19:28:01 REASONABLE, SO WE WOULD WALK
19:28:03 DOWN THE STREET, ACROSS THE
19:28:05 PARKING LOT, AND INTO THE
19:28:06 LIQUOR STORE.
19:28:08 AGAIN, THE PROPOSED USE IS
19:28:09 COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT
19:28:11 OCCURRING ALONG THE BUSCH
19:28:12 BOULEVARD CORRIDOR, AND IT'S
19:28:13 CONSISTENT WITH THE USES
19:28:15 ALLOWED WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL
19:28:17 GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.
19:28:20 IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE
19:28:21 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY, AND
19:28:23 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE
19:28:24 TEMPLE CREST CIVIC ASSOCIATION
19:28:27 HAVE BOTH OFFERED SUPPORT, SO
19:28:28 I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS.
19:28:29 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS?
19:28:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF
19:28:32 MICROPHONE].
19:28:33 [LAUGHTER]
19:28:36 >> REALLY?
19:28:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS
19:28:39 FROM COUNCIL?
19:28:40 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO
19:28:42 SPEAK ON ITEM NO. 2?
19:28:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO
19:28:43 CLOSE.
19:28:43 >>YVONNE CAPIN: SECOND.
19:28:44 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:28:47 GOT A MOTION FROM MR. MIRANDA,
19:28:48 SECOND BY MS. CAPIN.
19:28:50 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT
19:28:51 MOTION SAY AYE.
19:28:51 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:28:52 ALL RIGHT.
19:28:53 MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU --
19:28:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU,
19:28:54 MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:28:56 I MOVE ITEM NO. 2, FILE NO.
19:29:00 AB2-19-09.
19:29:01 MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING
19:29:01 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
19:29:02 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE
19:29:05 APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
19:29:07 (S-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
19:29:09 SALES, SMALL VENUE PACKAGE
19:29:09 SALES/OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION
19:29:16 ONLY, AND MAKING LAWFUL THE
19:29:18 SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF
19:29:19 ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE,
19:29:22 AND LIQUOR AT OR FROM THE
19:29:24 CERTAIN LOT, PLOT, OR TRACT OF
19:29:26 LAND LOCATED AT 2912 AND 2914
19:29:28 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
19:29:31 FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY
19:29:32 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2; THAT
19:29:32 ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
19:29:32 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
19:29:34 REPEALED; PROVIDING AN
19:29:37 EFFECTIVE DATE.
19:29:37 >>HARRY COHEN: SECOND.
19:29:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: WE'VE GOT A
19:29:38 MOTION BY MR. MIRANDA, SECONDED
19:29:39 BY MR. COHEN.
19:29:43 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
19:29:45 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:29:47 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH
19:29:49 MR. VIERA VOTING NO.
19:29:51 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
19:29:55 WILL BE HELD ON MAY 16th, 2019,
19:29:57 AT 9:30 A.M.
19:29:59 >> RYAN MANASSE, LAND
19:29:59 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
19:30:00 ITEM NO. 3 IS APPLICATION
19:30:03 AB2-19-11 FOR THE PROPERTY
19:30:06 ADDRESS OF 4725 NORTH
19:30:07 HESPERIDES STREET.
19:30:09 THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE
19:30:09 PROPERTY IS INDUSTRIAL GENERAL,
19:30:11 IG.
19:30:11 THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LIGHT
19:30:13 INDUSTRIAL, LI.
19:30:13 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
19:30:13 COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
19:30:15 THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT
19:30:16 INCONSISTENT WITH THE
19:30:19 APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA LAND
19:30:20 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND
19:30:22 SHOULD BE IT APPROVED ON FIRST
19:30:22 READING, MINOR CORRECTIONS TO
19:30:24 THE SITE PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED
19:30:24 BEFORE SECOND READING.
19:30:25 THE PETITION BEFORE YOU IS
19:30:25 REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE
19:30:26 APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF
19:30:27 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR A SMALL
19:30:29 VENUE, BEER, WINE, AND LIQUOR,
19:30:31 CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISES ONLY.
19:30:33 THE PETITION IS NOT CONSIDERED
19:30:34 A CHANGE OF USE AND THE
19:30:35 PROPOSED USE IS A COMMERCIAL
19:30:36 RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
19:30:37 THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE
19:30:40 SITE IS 49 SPACES APPROVED
19:30:41 THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT BLD
19:30:45 18-0458168.
19:30:46 THE TOTAL AB SALES AREA IS
19:30:49 5,107 SQUARE FEET OF
19:30:50 INDOOR-ONLY SPACE.
19:30:51 THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE
19:30:51 REQUIRES A DISTANCE SEPARATION
19:30:53 OF A THOUSAND FEET FROM
19:30:55 RESIDENTIAL USES, INSTITUTIONAL
19:30:57 USES, AND OTHER AB SALES
19:30:58 ESTABLISHMENTS.
19:30:58 THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT HOURS
19:30:59 OF OPERATION WILL BE CONSISTENT
19:31:01 WITH CHAPTER 14 AND THAT THE
19:31:02 SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE LOCATED
19:31:03 WITHIN A PARKING OR LOADING
19:31:05 AREA OR SPACE.
19:31:06 IT IS NOTED ON THE SITE PLAN
19:31:07 THAT ALL PERMITS ISSUED AFTER
19:31:09 APRIL 1st, 2011, SHALL BE KEPT
19:31:12 ON-SITE, A COPY OF ADOPTED THE
19:31:13 ORDINANCE AND ASSOCIATED SITE
19:31:15 PLANS FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
19:31:17 SALES PERMIT.
19:31:17 LAND DEVELOPMENT DID FIND IT
19:31:17 INCONSISTENT, AND THAT'S DUE TO
19:31:18 THE DISTANCE SEPARATION
19:31:20 REQUIREMENT FROM SECTION
19:31:22 27-132, AND THAT'S -- THE
19:31:23 WAIVER REQUESTED IS TO REDUCE
19:31:24 THE REQUIRED DISTANCE
19:31:25 SEPARATION TO RESIDENTIAL USES
19:31:28 FROM A THOUSAND FEET TO 5.4
19:31:29 FEET.
19:31:31 THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL USE IS
19:31:33 LOCATED AT 4721 NORTH
19:31:35 HESPERIDES STREET, AND IT'S
19:31:36 DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE
19:31:37 SUBJECT PROPERTY.
19:31:39 IT'S ZONED IG, AND, AGAIN, IT'S
19:31:41 AT 5.4 FEET.
19:31:42 CODE CRITERIA FOR CITY COUNCIL
19:31:44 TO REFERENCE IN CONSIDERATION
19:31:47 IS -- COMES FROM SECTION 27-43,
19:31:48 AND THIS IS FOR ALCOHOLIC
19:31:50 BEVERAGE SALES, A SMALL VENUE,
19:31:51 AGAIN, A COMMERCIAL
19:31:52 ESTABLISHMENT WITH LESS THAN
19:31:55 300-PERSON OCCUPANCY, WHICH
19:31:55 SELLS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
19:31:57 THE AB CLASSIFICATION IS BEER,
19:31:59 WINE, AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION
19:32:00 ON-PREMISES ONLY, AND THE
19:32:01 PROPOSED USE FOR ZONING IS
19:32:03 RECREATIONAL FACILITY
19:32:04 COMMERCIAL.
19:32:06 SECTION 27-129, GENERAL
19:32:07 STANDARDS, ARE LISTED IN THE
19:32:08 STAFF REPORT FOR YOUR
19:32:09 REFERENCE, AND I'D LIKE TO SHOW
19:32:11 YOU SOME PICTURES AND A MAP OF
19:32:12 THE AREA.
19:32:18 AS YOU CAN SEE, HIGHLIGHTED IN
19:32:19 RED IS THE SUBJECT SITE.
19:32:21 ALL AROUND IT IS ZONED IG.
19:32:22 THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL BEING
19:32:23 THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT
19:32:24 HERE TO THE SOUTH OF THE
19:32:29 PROPERTY.
19:32:30 THIS IS THE -- THE TOP
19:32:32 PICTURE'S OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
19:32:35 BELOW IS STANDING BACK SO YOU
19:32:36 CAN GET A BETTER VIEW OF THE
19:32:40 SUBJECT SITE OVER HERE AND AS
19:32:40 FAR AS THEIR FENCING THAT GOES
19:32:40 AROUND THE CORNER.
19:32:41 GOING INTO THE NEXT PICTURE.
19:32:43 HERE'S THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL
19:32:45 AT 4721 NORTH HESPERIDES
19:32:46 STREET.
19:32:47 THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS
19:32:49 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DIRECTLY
19:32:51 TO THE EAST.
19:32:54 IT'S AT 4412 WEST OSBORNE.
19:32:55 THIS IS THE VIEW NORTH ON
19:32:57 HESPERIDES STREET.
19:32:58 TOP PICTURE IS SOUTH ON
19:32:59 HESPERIDES.
19:33:00 THIS IS THEIR ASSOCIATED
19:33:04 PARKING AREA.
19:33:05 AND THIS IS THE VIEW DIRECTLY
19:33:07 WEST.
19:33:09 THE STAFF REPORT DOES HAVE A
19:33:10 MINOR CORRECTION TO THE SITE
19:33:11 PLAN THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED
19:33:13 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND REEKED
19:33:14 AS WELL AS A MARKED-UP SITE
19:33:16 PLAN, AND TPD HAD NO OBJECTION
19:33:18 TO THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST.
19:33:19 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY
19:33:21 QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
19:33:21 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS
19:33:22 FROM COUNCIL?
19:33:25 ALL RIGHT.
19:33:26 THE APPLICANT.
19:33:35 >> GOOD EVENING.
19:33:41 I'M MARITZA ASTORQUIZA, AND I'M
19:33:43 HERE FOR 4725 NORTH HESPERIDES,
19:33:45 WHICH WILL BE CALLED THE ALL
19:33:47 ARTS STUDIO, AND IT'S GOING TO
19:33:48 BE A GALLERY AND PLACE OF ART
19:33:50 TO PRESERVE ARTS AND CULTURE.
19:33:54 IF WE ALL AROUND HERE FOR A
19:33:56 WHILE REMEMBER THAT WE'RE IN
19:33:56 DREW PARK.
19:33:57 WE'RE TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING
19:34:00 PRETTY TO DREW PARK, ACTUALLY
19:34:02 BRING IT BACK.
19:34:04 REMEMBER, THERE USED TO BE
19:34:06 ZENDAH GROTTO AND DiCAPRIO'S
19:34:09 HALL AND THE LITTLE THEATRE AND
19:34:09 THE GORILLA THEATRE.
19:34:10 ALL OF THAT USED TO BE IN DREW
19:34:12 PARK AND DREW PARK WAS A CENTER
19:34:17 OF ART FOR US HERE IN TAMPA,
19:34:18 AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT
19:34:19 BACK.
19:34:20 HOPEFULLY IN IS THE BEGINNING
19:34:22 BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP A
19:34:23 LITTLE ART DISTRICT IN DREW
19:34:25 PARK AS IT USED TO BE.
19:34:26 IT'S ALSO THE HOME OF WHAT USED
19:34:28 TO BE DREW FIELD, AND THERE'S A
19:34:29 LOT OF HISTORY IN DREW PARK,
19:34:31 AND WE'RE HOPING TO PUT OUR
19:34:33 LITTLE PART IN PRESERVING THE
19:34:34 ARTS AND THE CULTURE OF OUR
19:34:35 COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE
19:34:37 WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS.
19:34:38 THE ANY QUESTIONS?
19:34:39 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY QUESTIONS
19:34:41 FROM COUNCIL?
19:34:41 >> OKAY.
19:34:42 THANK YOU.
19:34:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:34:43 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO
19:34:45 SPEAK ON ITEM NO. 3?
19:34:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO
19:34:46 CLOSE.
19:34:48 >>YVONNE CAPIN: SECOND.
19:34:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:34:49 WE'VE GOT A MOTION FROM
19:34:51 MR. MIRANDA, SECONDED BY
19:34:53 MS. CAPIN.
19:34:55 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
19:34:56 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:34:57 MS. CAPIN, WOULD YOU READ --
19:34:58 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THANK YOU,
19:34:59 MR. CHAIR.
19:35:00 AND I HAVE WITH ME MYLES DION,
19:35:02 AND I WILL TALK MORE ABOUT HIM
19:35:03 IN A LITTLE BIT.
19:35:05 LET ME GO AHEAD AND READ THIS.
19:35:07 HE CAME TO HELP ME ON MY LAST
19:35:09 DAY ON COUNCIL.
19:35:10 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
19:35:11 FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN
19:35:13 ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL
19:35:15 USE PERMIT (S-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC
19:35:17 BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE,
19:35:20 CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISES ONLY,
19:35:21 MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
19:35:23 BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF
19:35:24 ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE,
19:35:27 LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT,
19:35:28 PLOT, OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED
19:35:31 AT 4725 NORTH HESPERIDES
19:35:32 STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND
19:35:34 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
19:35:37 SECTION 2; PROVIDING THAT ALL
19:35:37 ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF
19:35:39 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
19:35:40 REPEALED; PROVIDING AN
19:35:40 EFFECTIVE DATE.
19:35:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
19:35:42 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:35:44 I'VE GOT A MOTION FROM
19:35:46 MS. CAPIN, SECONDED BY
19:35:46 MR. MIRANDA.
19:35:47 ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE
19:35:48 MOTION?
19:35:48 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE
19:35:49 MOTION SAY AYE.
19:35:50 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:35:52 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA
19:35:54 ABSENT AT VOTE.
19:35:55 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO
19:35:58 BE HELD ON MAY 16th, 2019, AT
19:35:58 9:30 A.M.
19:36:04 >>MIKE SUAREZ: COME BACK ON MAY
19:36:05 16th.
19:36:06 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES, MYLES
19:36:07 VOTED.
19:36:09 THAT WAS THE EIGHTH VOTE.
19:36:10 >> [OFF MICROPHONE].
19:36:10 [LAUGHTER]
19:36:11 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:36:15 WE'LL GO TO ITEM NO. -- OH, NO.
19:36:17 4 CANNOT BE HEARD.
19:36:21 ALL RIGHT.
19:36:23 WE'LL GO TO ITEM NO. 5.
19:36:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SHOULD WE
19:36:30 SET 4 FOR ANOTHER HEARING?
19:36:32 >>HARRY COHEN: MR. DiMAIO.
19:36:33 >>FRANK REDDICK: DO WE HAVE A
19:36:33 DATE FOR --
19:36:35 >> NEXT MONTH.
19:36:36 >> WHAT ABOUT A DATE?
19:36:37 >>HARRY COHEN: [OFF
19:36:38 MICROPHONE].
19:36:40 >> IS THIS ITEM NO. 4?
19:36:41 >> YES.
19:36:43 >> THEY MISNOTICED, SO THEY
19:36:45 WILL HAVE TO RENOTICE FOR A NEW
19:36:45 HEARING.
19:36:46 I DON'T IMAGINE IT WILL BE NEXT
19:36:48 MONTH, IT WILL PROBABLY BE
19:36:49 FURTHER DOWN SINCE IT WILL TAKE
19:36:51 THEM A WHILE TO RENOTICE.
19:36:52 >>MIKE SUAREZ: SO WE NEED TO
19:36:54 MAKE A -- MAKE A MOTION TO
19:36:55 REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA.
19:36:56 >>HARRY COHEN: SECOND.
19:36:57 >>FRANK REDDICK: MOTION BY
19:36:59 MR. SUAREZ, SECONDED BY
19:36:59 MR. COHEN.
19:37:01 THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
19:37:02 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:37:02 >> ALL RIGHT.
19:37:03 THIS IS IT.
19:37:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: AND NO. 5.
19:37:10 >>BOB McDONAUGH: GOOD EVENING,
19:37:11 COUNCIL.
19:37:12 THE BOB McDONAUGH, ECONOMIC
19:37:12 DEVELOPMENT.
19:37:14 AT OUR LAST MEETING, YOU HAD
19:37:15 ASKED ME TO COME BACK WITH
19:37:16 SPECIFIC INFORMATION PERTAINING
19:37:17 TO THE PROPOSED LAND SALE FROM
19:37:19 THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TAMPA
19:37:20 ELECTRIC COMPANY, AND ONE OF
19:37:22 THE QUESTIONS WAS -- WAS WOULD
19:37:25 TECO ENTERTAIN A LAND LEASE?
19:37:27 I HAVE ASKED, AND THEY SAID
19:37:28 EMPHATICALLY NOT.
19:37:30 THEY INTEND TO INVEST UP TO
19:37:31 $100 MILLION ON THIS SITE.
19:37:32 THEY DON'T FEEL THAT IT WOULD
19:37:34 BE PRUDENT DOING A LAND LEASE
19:37:37 WITH THAT KIND OF CAPITAL
19:37:37 IMPROVEMENT.
19:37:39 THERE WAS A QUESTION AS TO
19:37:39 WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE
19:37:42 WILLING TO SPECIFY THAT THE
19:37:44 ONLY INTENT FOR THE USE OF THE
19:37:46 LAND WOULD BE A SOLAR FIELD,
19:37:47 AND THEY ARE WILLING TO DO
19:37:49 THAT.
19:37:50 THE THIRD QUESTION WAS WHAT
19:37:54 HAPPENS WITH THE TPD POLICE?
19:37:55 HORSES THERE.
19:37:56 CURRENTLY WE KEEP SIX HORSES
19:37:56 THERE.
19:37:58 I HAVE FOUND THREE LOCATIONS,
19:38:00 AND I WILL BE GOING OUT THERE
19:38:03 WITH A HORSE FANCIER FROM CITY
19:38:05 COUNCIL AS WELL AS TPD TO LOOK
19:38:07 AT THAT, SO I HAVE SOME VERY
19:38:08 GOOD OPTIONS FOR THAT.
19:38:09 AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT
19:38:11 IS THERE A BETTER USE?
19:38:13 AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE
19:38:15 THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE
19:38:16 URBAN SERVICE AREA, SO THERE'S
19:38:18 NOT THE ABILITY TO GET WATER
19:38:21 AND SEWER, SO LARGE AMOUNTS OF
19:38:23 DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CAPABLE OF
19:38:25 BEING SUPPORTED ON THIS
19:38:26 PROPERTY AND THE FACT IT IS NOT
19:38:31 ADJACENT TO OF THE EXITS AT
19:38:33 I-4, SO IT'S NOT AN ATTRACTIVE
19:38:34 THING FOR COMMERCIAL
19:38:34 DEVELOPMENT.
19:38:35 YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE
19:38:40 TALK ABOUT IS SO IMPORTANT TO
19:38:40 US IS REDUCING OUR CARBON
19:38:41 FOOTPRINT.
19:38:47 THIS -- THIS PLANT WILL REDUCE
19:38:49 -- AS OPPOSED TO A TRADITIONAL
19:38:51 FORM OF CREATING ELECTRICITY
19:38:53 WILL SAVE 66,000 TONS A YEAR OF
19:38:55 CARBON FROM THE ENVIRONMENT.
19:38:56 THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT TO 14,000
19:38:57 CARS.
19:39:00 THEY'LL BE ABLE TO POWER UP TO
19:39:02 10,000 HOMES ON THIS PROPERTY.
19:39:05 AND SO, REALLY, I THINK IT'S A
19:39:06 -- IT MEETS A LOT OF THE GOALS
19:39:07 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA
19:39:08 CONTINUES TO TALK ABOUT,
19:39:10 REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT
19:39:12 AND GETTING GREENER, SO I'M
19:39:14 ASKING COUNCIL'S SUPPORT TO
19:39:15 THIS SALE.
19:39:16 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. COHEN.
19:39:17 >>HARRY COHEN: YES, JUST TWO
19:39:18 QUESTIONS.
19:39:19 THE FIRST RELATED TO THE
19:39:19 HORSES.
19:39:20 >>BOB McDONAUGH: YES.
19:39:21 >>HARRY COHEN: WHEN YOU'RE OUT
19:39:23 LOOKING FOR OTHER SITES, IS ONE
19:39:25 OF THE IDEAS TO LOOK AT MAYBE
19:39:26 COLLOCATING THEM WITH THE
19:39:28 SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR OTHER LAW
19:39:29 ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES THAT HAVE
19:39:29 HORSES?
19:39:31 >>BOB McDONAUGH: I HAVE, AND I
19:39:34 ALSO HAVE LOOKED AT -- ONE OF
19:39:36 THE PLACES I'VE DISCOVERED IS
19:39:37 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ACTUALLY
19:39:39 BUYING SOME LAND FOR ELAPP, AND
19:39:40 IT HAS EXISTING STABLES, AND
19:39:41 THEY'RE WILLING TO OFFER THAT
19:39:42 TO THE CITY.
19:39:44 >>HARRY COHEN: THAT'S GREAT.
19:39:45 >>BOB McDONAUGH: YES.
19:39:46 >>HARRY COHEN: AND THEN THE
19:39:46 SECOND THING, YOU MENTIONED
19:39:48 THAT TECO HAD MADE A COMMITMENT
19:39:51 TO ONLY USE THE LAND FOR SOLAR
19:39:52 PURPOSES?
19:39:53 >>BOB McDONAUGH: CORRECT.
19:39:56 IF IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THE
19:39:57 CONSTRUCTION OF THE SOLAR
19:39:59 PLANT, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED
19:40:00 IN THE PROPERTY.
19:40:02 >>HARRY COHEN: AND JUST REMIND
19:40:03 US, HOW LONG HAS THE CITY OWNED
19:40:04 THIS LAND?
19:40:05 >>BOB McDONAUGH: ALMOST 50
19:40:06 YEARS.
19:40:07 OVER 50 YEARS.
19:40:09 IT WAS THE 1950s WHEN THEY
19:40:09 BOUGHT IT.
19:40:10 >>HARRY COHEN: OKAY.
19:40:11 THANK YOU.
19:40:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF
19:40:13 MICROPHONE] [LAUGHTER]
19:40:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: ARE YOU SURE?
19:40:17 >> GETTING A LITTLE SENSITIVE,
19:40:17 ARE WE?
19:40:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. VIERA.
19:40:19 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU,
19:40:20 MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR
19:40:21 THAT.
19:40:22 THAT COMMITMENT TO USE THIS
19:40:25 PROPERTY FOR SOLAR FARMING, IS
19:40:28 THAT, I ASSUME, GOING TO BE IN
19:40:29 THE CONTRACT ENFORCEABLE?
19:40:30 >>BOB McDONAUGH: ABSOLUTELY.
19:40:31 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
19:40:33 THERE HAD BEEN MENTION ABOUT
19:40:35 THIS LAND BEING SUITABLE FOR
19:40:35 RESIDENTIAL USE.
19:40:37 COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THAT IN
19:40:38 TERMS OF WHY IT IS OR WHY IT'S
19:40:38 NOT?
19:40:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH: WELL, AS I
19:40:41 QUICKLY MENTIONED, IT IS
19:40:43 OUTSIDE OF THE URBAN SERVICE
19:40:45 AREA, SO WE WILL NOT HAVE WATER
19:40:47 OR SEWER EXTENDED TO THAT, AND
19:40:50 FOR LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENT,
19:40:51 BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL FOR
19:40:53 LIABILITY, MOST HOME BUILDERS
19:40:54 ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING
19:40:56 THINGS ON SEPTIC FIELDS BECAUSE
19:40:57 THAT'S A FIELD THAT'S BECOMING
19:40:59 MORE AND MORE A CONCERN AS FAR
19:41:01 AS ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION,
19:41:03 AND SO, "A," IT'S NOT NEAR AN
19:41:05 EXIT; "B," THERE ARE NO -- IT'S
19:41:06 NOT AN EXTENSION OF THE URBAN
19:41:08 SERVICE AREA, SO IT WILL NOT
19:41:10 HAVE WATER AND SEWER TO IT, AND
19:41:12 IT DOES NOT LEND ITSELF -- IT
19:41:13 DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT ROAD
19:41:15 NETWORK AROUND THERE EITHER.
19:41:16 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
19:41:18 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. MIRANDA.
19:41:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT
19:41:23 TO THANK MR. McDONAUGH AND THE
19:41:23 CITY AND PEOPLE FOR [OFF
19:41:24 MICROPHONE] AND COMING TO THE
19:41:25 END OF A CONCLUSION THAT THE
19:41:26 HORSES WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF
19:41:27 AND MOVED TO ONE OF THREE
19:41:28 SITES.
19:41:29 I'M SURE IT WILL BE VERY
19:41:31 WORKABLE, AND WHEN I SEE THE
19:41:32 GUY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE
19:41:37 KNOWS A LITTLE BIT, SO I'LL
19:41:37 TALK TO HIM ABOUT --
19:41:37 >>BOB McDONAUGH: OH, HE DOES.
19:41:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- HE CAN
19:41:37 ENCOURAGE YOU ABOUT HORSES,
19:41:37 WHAT TO DO WITH THEM.
19:41:38 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:41:39 MS. CAPIN.
19:41:41 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I APPRECIATE
19:41:42 THE PART OF THE LEASE WITH THE
19:41:44 INVESTMENT, THAT AMOUNT OF
19:41:48 INVESTMENT IS GOING INTO AND
19:41:50 THAT THE SOLAR COMMITMENT IS
19:41:52 THERE, AND MR. MIRANDA, I'M
19:41:54 SURE, IS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE
19:41:56 HORSES, AS ALL OF US ARE, SO I
19:41:58 APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO IT
19:41:59 AND GETTING BACK TO US AND
19:42:01 GIVING US THE ANSWERS WE NEEDED
19:42:03 TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
19:42:04 >>BOB McDONAUGH: THANK YOU.
19:42:05 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. SUAREZ.
19:42:06 >>MIKE SUAREZ: THANK YOU,
19:42:07 CHAIR.
19:42:08 JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
19:42:09 ONE -- AND THIS IS A LEGAL
19:42:11 QUESTION THAT MAYBE OUR LAWYER
19:42:13 CAN ANSWER, WHICH IS EVEN IF WE
19:42:14 WANTED TO GET INTO A
19:42:15 DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH
19:42:16 SOMEBODY, LET'S SAY, FOR THAT
19:42:18 LAND, OKAY -- NOT SAYING THAT
19:42:22 WE WOULD, BUT, I MEAN, THERE
19:42:23 MUST BE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS TO
19:42:25 CITIES OWNING PIECES OF LAND
19:42:26 OUTSIDE OF THEIR OWN -- OUT OF
19:42:27 THEIR OWN DISTRICT IF IT'S
19:42:28 GOING TO BE DEVELOPED.
19:42:30 I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE OF THAT,
19:42:34 BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT IT
19:42:35 BECAUSE --
19:42:37 >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA,
19:42:38 LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
19:42:39 YES, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON
19:42:41 TRYING TO ENTER INTO ANY
19:42:42 AGREEMENTS WITH RESPECT TO
19:42:43 PROPERTY THAT'S OUTSIDE OF YOUR
19:42:44 JURISDICTION, IT'S IN THE
19:42:45 JURISDICTION OF THE COUNTY, SO
19:42:47 YOU'RE PROBABLY MOST LIKELY
19:42:48 GOING TO NEED APPROVAL AND
19:42:50 BUY-IN FROM THE COUNTY.
19:42:51 >>MIKE SUAREZ: THERE WAS A LOT
19:42:51 OF DISCUSSION DURING THE
19:42:53 EDITORIAL THEY HAD, WHICH IS
19:42:55 IT'S NOT AN EASY DEAL TO MAKE
19:42:56 REGARDLESS, AND I THINK THE
19:42:58 OTHER PART OF IT IS -- AND THIS
19:42:59 IS SOMETHING SOMEONE ASKED ME
19:43:01 THE OTHER DAY, MR. McDONAUGH,
19:43:02 AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
19:43:02 IT.
19:43:03 I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU CAME
19:43:04 BEFORE US LAST TIME, YOU
19:43:07 MENTIONED ABOUT THIS WAS -- YOU
19:43:08 WERE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE
19:43:10 WERE ANY BUYERS AVAILABLE, IF
19:43:11 I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
19:43:12 >>BOB McDONAUGH: CORRECT.
19:43:13 >>MIKE SUAREZ: AND, YOU KNOW,
19:43:14 CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
19:43:16 THEY CAN'T DO AN APPRAISAL ON
19:43:18 IT BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE
19:43:20 BETWEEN THE WETLAND SECTION AND
19:43:22 THE USABLE SECTION.
19:43:23 THERE WAS -- THERE WAS SOME
19:43:24 DISCUSSION, I THINK, LAST TIME
19:43:26 YOU AND I HAD HERE ABOUT THAT,
19:43:28 WHICH IS -- SO YOU'RE NOT GOING
19:43:30 TO DO A REGULAR APPRAISAL LIKE
19:43:31 YOU TYPICALLY WOULD DO; IS THAT
19:43:32 CORRECT?
19:43:33 >>BOB McDONAUGH: WE'VE HAD
19:43:35 APPRAISALS DONE, AND THIS IS --
19:43:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I DIDN'T SEE THE
19:43:38 APPRAISAL IN THE BACKUP
19:43:39 MATERIAL, THAT'S WHY.
19:43:40 >>BOB McDONAUGH: THIS IS WITHIN
19:43:42 THE SCOPE, BUT THE PRICE, THE
19:43:43 FINAL PURCHASE PRICE WILL BE BY
19:43:44 A DELINEATION OF WETLAND AND
19:43:45 UPLAND.
19:43:46 >>MIKE SUAREZ: RIGHT.
19:43:48 SO IT'S BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT
19:43:49 DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SEE ON A
19:43:51 TYPICAL APPRAISAL, WHICH IS
19:43:53 HERE'S WHAT COMPARABLES ARE,
19:43:56 THERE ARE NO COMPARABLES --
19:43:58 >>BOB McDONAUGH: CORRECT.
19:43:59 >>MIKE SUAREZ: -- BECAUSE OF
19:44:01 WHERE IT LOCATED AND THE KIND
19:44:02 OF PROPERTIES.
19:44:03 >>BOB McDONAUGH: CORRECT.
19:44:07 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OKAY.
19:44:09 THANK YOU, MR. McDONAUGH.
19:44:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: WE'RE THANKING
19:44:13 YOU.
19:44:13 >>HARRY COHEN: MOVE THE
19:44:14 RESOLUTION.
19:44:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
19:44:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:44:15 WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MR.
19:44:16 COHEN, SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA.
19:44:17 ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY
19:44:17 AYE.
19:44:18 THOSE OPPOSED.
19:44:19 THANK YOU.
19:44:21 >>BOB McDONAUGH: IF I MAY, I
19:44:22 WOULD LIKE TO THANK EACH OF YOU
19:44:24 FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK
19:44:25 WITH YOU OVER THE LAST EIGHT
19:44:26 YEARS.
19:44:28 IT'S BEEN SOMETIMES FUN, NOT SO
19:44:29 MUCH FUN, BUT I HAVE ALWAYS
19:44:32 BEEN IMPRESSED IN THE FACT THAT
19:44:33 COUNCIL WAS ALWAYS LOOKING OUT
19:44:35 FOR THE TAXPAYER AND PROPERTY
19:44:36 OWNER HERE IN THE CITY OF
19:44:40 TAMPA, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT
19:44:40 BECAUSE I FEEL A VERY STRONG
19:44:42 FIDUCIARY AS WELL.
19:44:43 THANK YOU.
19:44:44 >>MIKE SUAREZ: AND, CHAIR, I
19:44:45 MEAN, IF THERE'S NO JUSTICE IN
19:44:47 LIFE THAT I LEAVE AFTER EIGHT
19:44:48 YEARS AND YOU'RE STILL HERE, I
19:44:49 DON'T GET IT.
19:44:49 [LAUGHTER]
19:44:50 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
19:44:51 >>BOB McDONAUGH: WELL, I'VE
19:44:53 PLEDGED I DON'T LEAVE UNTIL
19:44:55 CHARLIE DOES.
19:44:56 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OH, YOU'RE GOING
19:44:58 TO BE HERE A LONG TIME.
19:44:58 >>HARRY COHEN: THANK YOU,
19:45:00 MR. McDONAUGH, FOR YOUR KIND
19:45:01 WORDS.
19:45:02 >>FRANK REDDICK: THANK YOU.
19:45:02 MS. CAPIN.
19:45:03 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES.
19:45:05 I WOULD LIKE SOMEONE THAT -- I
19:45:07 SAID I WOULD BE AN OBNOXIOUS
19:45:09 GRANDMOTHER WHEN HE WAS BORN,
19:45:11 AND I'M GOING TO LIVE UP TO IT
19:45:12 TO THE LAST MINUTE I'M HERE.
19:45:14 YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
19:45:20 >> I AM MYLES DION, AND MY
19:45:22 GRADE IS FIRST, AND WE ARE
19:45:23 LEARNING ABOUT MONEY.
19:45:25 >>YVONNE CAPIN: HE'S IN FIRST
19:45:26 GRADE AND HE'S LEARNING ABOUT
19:45:27 MONEY.
19:45:28 >>HARRY COHEN: MONEY.
19:45:30 YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
19:45:32 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I JUST WANT TO
19:45:33 SAY REAL QUICKLY, SEVEN YEARS
19:45:36 AGO, WHEN I BROUGHT FORTH THE
19:45:39 DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP ORDINANCE,
19:45:43 I SAID -- HE WAS NOT BORN YET,
19:45:44 AND I SAID THIS IS A GIFT TO MY
19:45:47 UNBORN GRANDSON, WELCOME TO OUR
19:45:50 WORLD, WELCOME TO OUR WORLD.
19:45:53 THANK YOU.
19:45:55 >> YOU KNOW, THIS MORNING I
19:45:56 MENTIONED THAT I WAS HERE WHEN
19:45:58 YOU WERE APPOINTED.
19:45:59 I WAS STANDING OUTSIDE BECAUSE
19:46:01 THE ROOM WAS OVERFLOWING THE
19:46:03 DAY THAT PASSED, AND I BROUGHT
19:46:04 THAT UP MANY, MANY TIMES
19:46:06 CAMPAIGNING OR IN THE COMMUNITY
19:46:08 WHAT A WONDERFUL THING, YOU
19:46:09 KNOW, THIS COUNCIL AND YOU AND
19:46:11 PROPOSING IT AND EVERYTHING DID
19:46:12 FOR THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA BECAUSE
19:46:14 IT WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT.
19:46:15 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THANK YOU.
19:46:16 >>HARRY COHEN: WE WON'T FORGET.
19:46:18 IT WAS BEFORE ALL THE ADVANCES.
19:46:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: IT WAS BEFORE
19:46:20 ALL THE ADVANCES.
19:46:22 IT WAS WHEN -- AND A LOT OF
19:46:23 PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY
19:46:24 ABOUT GAY ISSUES, BUT IT WAS
19:46:25 ABOUT ANYONE THAT WAS NOT
19:46:27 MARRIED BUT WERE IN A
19:46:29 PARTNERSHIP AND COULD -- COULD
19:46:32 HELP THEIR PARTNER IN DIFFERENT
19:46:35 SITUATIONS FOR A VERY SMALL
19:46:38 FEE, AND I SAID THEN THAT MYLES
19:46:40 WAS THE RECIPIENT OF THAT GIFT
19:46:42 FROM ME.
19:46:43 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:46:43 MR. MIRANDA.
19:46:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I JUST
19:46:46 WANT TO MAKE A --
19:46:47 >>FRANK REDDICK: OH.
19:46:48 WE'LL DO INFORMATION REPORTS.
19:46:49 MR. SUAREZ.
19:46:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: NOTHING EXCEPT
19:46:52 TO SAY THANKS, AGAIN, YOU KNOW,
19:46:56 FOR EIGHT YEARS OF FUN,
19:46:57 LATE-NIGHT SESSIONS.
19:46:59 REGARDLESS, WE HAD A GREAT
19:46:59 TIME.
19:47:00 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT
19:47:02 YOU ALL HAVE DONE -- WE'VE DONE
19:47:03 TOGETHER, AND THERE ARE A LOT
19:47:04 OF THINGS.
19:47:05 I MEAN, WE FORGET ABOUT THE
19:47:07 DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP REGISTRY,
19:47:09 MS. CAPIN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
19:47:11 THINGS CHANGED SO QUICKLY AFTER
19:47:15 WE PASSED IT, THAT GAY MARRIAGE
19:47:15 BECAME LEGAL.
19:47:17 IT WAS ALMOST AN AFTERTHOUGHT,
19:47:20 BUT IT WAS A BIG DEAL WHEN WE
19:47:21 PASSED IT.
19:47:22 >>YVONNE CAPIN: UNANIMOUS.
19:47:23 >>MIKE SUAREZ: IT WAS
19:47:24 UNANIMOUS, AND I DON'T THINK
19:47:26 ANYBODY SAID ONE NEGATIVE THING
19:47:27 WHEN WE WERE UP HERE.
19:47:28 I WANT TO TELL YOU I APPRECIATE
19:47:29 EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE ON
19:47:30 COUNCIL.
19:47:31 I KNOW THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING
19:47:34 TO BE STAYING HERE, MR. VIERA,
19:47:37 MR. MIRANDA, MR. MANISCALCO, I
19:47:37 THINK YOU'RE GOING TO DO GREAT
19:47:39 WITH THE NEW BOARD AND THE NEW
19:47:40 MAYOR, AND I HOPE THAT -- I'LL
19:47:42 COME HERE, JUST TO VISIT.
19:47:43 YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL BE LIKE
19:47:44 JO, SHE'D COME HERE EVERY
19:47:45 MORNING.
19:47:46 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
19:47:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: ALL FOUR OF US
19:47:48 ARE GOING TO SIT IN THE FRONT
19:47:49 ROW.
19:47:49 [LAUGHTER]
19:47:50 >>MIKE SUAREZ: I KNOW ONE
19:47:52 THING, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE AT
19:47:53 LEAST ONE DEVOTED VIEWER, WHICH
19:47:54 IS MY MOTHER.
19:47:55 MOM, I'M SORRY.
19:47:56 IF YOU WANT TO KEEP WATCHING
19:47:58 IT, YOU CAN, BUT I'M NOT GOING
19:48:00 TO BE HERE ANYMORE, SO --
19:48:00 [LAUGHTER]
19:48:02 -- AND THANKS TO THE PEOPLE OF
19:48:03 TAMPA FOR ALLOWING US TO SERVE
19:48:05 FOR EIGHT YEARS.
19:48:06 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. COHEN.
19:48:07 >>HARRY COHEN: YEAH, YOU'RE
19:48:08 PROBABLY GOING TO LOSE MY
19:48:09 MOTHER TOO.
19:48:09 [LAUGHTER]
19:48:10 I JUST WANT TO REITERATE JUST
19:48:11 WHAT I SAID THIS MORNING TO
19:48:14 TELL YOU ALL HOW MUCH I'VE
19:48:16 ENJOYED SERVING WITH YOU AND
19:48:18 HOW MUCH PERSONAL AFFECTION I
19:48:20 FEEL FOR EACH OF YOU.
19:48:21 I KNOW WHEN WE RUN INTO EACH
19:48:23 OTHER IN THE YEARS AHEAD, WE'LL
19:48:25 HAVE A LOT OF FOND MEMORIES TO
19:48:26 REMINISCE ABOUT FROM OUR TIME
19:48:27 HERE.
19:48:28 I WANT TO JUST SAY TWO THINGS.
19:48:29 THE FIRST IS I WANT TO THANK
19:48:31 IAN WHITNEY, MY WONDERFUL
19:48:33 LEGISLATIVE AIDE IN DISTRICT 4
19:48:33 --
19:48:33 [APPLAUSE]
19:48:36 -- WHO HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL
19:48:37 JOB.
19:48:39 I KNOW EVERYONE GETS A LOT OF
19:48:41 CONSTITUENT WORK, WE ALL DO,
19:48:42 AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP UP
19:48:42 WITH IT.
19:48:46 I ALSO WANT TO THANK CJO FORD,
19:48:47 WHO WAS MY FORMER LEGISLATIVE
19:48:50 AIDE, WHO REALLY GAVE HEART AND
19:48:51 SOUL TO THE CITY WHEN SHE WAS
19:48:52 HERE.
19:48:53 FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY
19:48:55 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TOLD ME WHEN
19:48:57 WE STARTED ON COUNCIL NEVER,
19:48:58 EVER TO WEAR THE SAME TIE AT
19:48:59 NIGHT AS YOU WORE IN THE
19:49:00 MORNING.
19:49:01 I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
19:49:02 SUPERSTITION, I DON'T KNOW IF
19:49:04 -- I THINK AT THE TIME HE SAID
19:49:05 IT WAS BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD
19:49:07 THINK YOU WERE WORKING HARDER
19:49:08 IF YOU WORE A DIFFERENT TIE.
19:49:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NEVER TAKE A
19:49:11 BATH EITHER.
19:49:12 [LAUGHTER]
19:49:13 >>HARRY COHEN: WELL, I DIDN'T
19:49:14 FOLLOW THAT ADVICE, BUT I WORE
19:49:16 TONIGHT THE TIE THAT I WORE THE
19:49:18 DAY THAT WE WERE SWORN IN IN
19:49:21 2011, AND IT REALLY -- IT GIVES
19:49:23 ME A VERY WARM MEMORY TO THINK
19:49:24 BACK ON ALL THE TIMES THAT
19:49:26 WE'VE HAD TOGETHER HERE.
19:49:28 SOME BETTER THAN OTHERS, BUT
19:49:30 ALL IN ALL, I THINK WE'VE DONE
19:49:31 A WONDERFUL JOB FOR THE CITY,
19:49:34 AND I WISH ALL OF YOU ONLY GOOD
19:49:35 THINGS AND GOOD HEALTH IN THE
19:49:37 FUTURE.
19:49:38 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THANK YOU.
19:49:38 >>FRANK REDDICK:
19:49:38 MR. MANISCALCO.
19:49:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU KNOW,
19:49:41 ONE FINAL COMMENT.
19:49:43 I REMEMBER BEFORE THE 2015
19:49:45 ELECTION WHERE I GOT ELECTED
19:49:48 AND WE WERE AT THE EQUALITY
19:49:51 FLORIDA GALA, AND YOU WERE ALL
19:49:52 TOGETHER, AND THEY WERE GOING
19:49:53 TO INTRODUCE THE ELECTED
19:49:55 OFFICIALS, AND I THINK IT WAS
19:49:57 YOU, YOLIE, WHO SAID, NO, NO,
19:49:59 NO, NO, YOU STAND WITH US, YOU
19:50:01 STAND WITH US, AND IT MADE ME
19:50:03 FEEL SO WELCOME, YOU KNOW, AND,
19:50:06 YOU KNOW, THANK YOU.
19:50:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: MS. CAPIN.
19:50:09 >>YVONNE CAPIN: ARE YOU READY?
19:50:10 OKAY.
19:50:11 FIRST OF ALL, OF COURSE, I HAVE
19:50:13 MYLES WITH ME, AND I ALREADY
19:50:15 EXPLAINED TO YOU WHO HE IS.
19:50:17 HE'S MY GRANDSON AND I'M HIS
19:50:20 DEEPA, AND I WANT TO SAY I
19:50:22 WROTE SOMETHING DOWN BECAUSE,
19:50:24 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY
19:50:26 WHEN WE WERE ELECTED IN 2011 --
19:50:29 I SERVED IN 2010, AND WHAT
19:50:32 MR. REDDICK SAID YESTERDAY, IT
19:50:34 IS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY, THE
19:50:34 COUNCIL.
19:50:35 TWO WEEKS AFTER WE WERE
19:50:40 ELECTED, I WENT HOME AND SAID
19:50:40 TO MY HUSBAND, I AM SKIPPING
19:50:42 DOWN THE HALLWAY, THESE PEOPLE
19:50:45 THINK -- I WAS SO -- REALLY, WE
19:50:48 MAY NOT AGREE, BUT, ACTUALLY,
19:50:49 WE AGREED A LOT MORE THAN WE
19:50:51 DISAGREED.
19:50:53 AND THE GOOD THING WAS WE ALL
19:50:56 WORKED AT ONE POINT ANOTHER FOR
19:50:59 A CAUSE OR IN POLITICS FOR THE
19:51:01 SAME PEOPLE, SAME CAUSES, SO WE
19:51:03 HAD THOSE VALUES IN COMMON, AND
19:51:05 THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT, AND
19:51:09 I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT
19:51:10 MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, CYNTHIA
19:51:12 SARFF.
19:51:14 TODAY AS I CLOSE THE DOOR TO MY
19:51:16 PAST AND OPEN THE DOOR TO MY
19:51:22 FUTURE, I -- AND NEW CHAPTER IN
19:51:24 MY LIFE, CYNTHIA LYNN SARFF
19:51:26 MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN
19:51:28 ALMOST NINE YEARS IN CITY
19:51:29 COUNCIL.
19:51:31 WHEN I WAS APPOINTED NINE YEARS
19:51:33 AGO, I DID NOT KNOW CINDY, BUT
19:51:35 I WALKED BACK TO THE OFFICE AND
19:51:36 SAW HER NAME ON THE DOOR, AND I
19:51:38 ASKED HER, DO YOU WANT TO STAY?
19:51:39 SHE SAID, YES.
19:51:44 I SAID, WELL, HERE WE GO.
19:51:47 SHE -- EVERYTHING GOOD THAT I
19:51:50 WAS ABLE TO DO FOR MY CITY,
19:51:56 CINDY WAS THERE.
19:52:00 I'M SORRY.
19:52:02 CINDY WAS THERE.
19:52:05 SHE WAS A SOUNDING BOARD AND A
19:52:07 VERY SMART SOUNDING BOARD.
19:52:09 SHE HAS BEEN AT MY SIDE FOR
19:52:11 NINE YEARS GUIDING ME AND
19:52:18 HELPING ME, CONSOLING ME AT MY
19:52:19 HAPPIEST TIMES AND AT MY
19:52:23 SADDEST TIMES.
19:52:24 TWO WEEKS AFTER WE BECAME
19:52:27 PARTNERS IN CITY COUNCIL IN
19:52:29 CITY HALL, SHE SAID TO ME, I
19:52:30 WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO YOU.
19:52:32 I WILL NEVER LIE TO YOU, BUT I
19:52:35 WILL NEVER LIE FOR YOU, AND I
19:52:36 SAID, THE DOOR BETWEEN MY
19:52:39 OFFICE AND YOURS COMES DOWN
19:52:40 TODAY, AND IT STAYS THAT WAY
19:52:42 UNTIL THIS DAY.
19:52:47 SHE IS -- AGAIN, I CANNOT
19:52:49 PRAISE HER ENOUGH FOR HER
19:52:56 INTELLIGENCE AND HER HELP.
19:53:07 THANK YOU, CYNTHIA SARFF.
19:53:09 THAT'S IT.
19:53:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:53:11 [OFF MICROPHONE].
19:53:12 >>YVONNE CAPIN: [OFF
19:53:13 MICROPHONE].
19:53:14 [LAUGHTER]
19:53:15 >>FRANK REDDICK: MR. MIRANDA.
19:53:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHY DON'T
19:53:17 YOU GET VIERA.
19:53:18 I DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THAT
19:53:18 ONE.
19:53:19 [LAUGHTER]
19:53:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I'M ALL
19:53:21 RIGHT.
19:53:23 NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU
19:53:25 KNOW, IT'S LIKE -- SERVING
19:53:26 EIGHT YEARS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT
19:53:28 WAS YESTERDAY, REALLY, AND THEN
19:53:29 AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT
19:53:30 STARTED FROM THAT SIDE TO THIS
19:53:32 SIDE, FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, I'M
19:53:34 THINKING WHAT CHAIR I'M IN.
19:53:37 THEN I STARTED THINKING, BOB
19:53:38 BUCKHORN SAT IN THIS CHAIR FOR
19:53:40 EIGHT YEARS, SO THAT MEANS THAT
19:53:43 I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, FOR, OR
19:53:45 COMPROMISING OR WORKING,
19:53:47 WHATEVER, FOR 16 YEARS WITH BOB
19:53:50 BUCKHORN, AND ALL OF YOU HAVE
19:53:51 BEEN AN INSPIRATION TO THE
19:53:52 CITY.
19:53:53 I MEAN, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN
19:53:55 THE CITY THE LAST EIGHT TO TEN
19:53:56 YEARS.
19:53:57 IT'S TRANSFORMING SO QUICKLY
19:54:01 AND SO RAPIDLY THAT IT'S JUST
19:54:03 IMPOSSIBLE.
19:54:05 PEOPLE -- I WORK -- YOU KNOW,
19:54:08 HOW -- WORK IN PINELLAS COUNTY,
19:54:10 REALLY ON THE BORDERLINE, AND I
19:54:12 SEE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME TALK
19:54:13 ABOUT THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, I
19:54:15 REALLY DO, AND THEY TALK
19:54:16 COMPLIMENTARY ABOUT EVERYONE
19:54:19 BUT ME AND -- BECAUSE I'M AT
19:54:20 THE HORSE TRACK AND I'VE GOT TO
19:54:21 TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND WHAT
19:54:22 NOT TO DO.
19:54:26 BUT, REALLY, THERE'S SO MUCH
19:54:26 INVOLVED IN THE POLITICAL
19:54:28 PROCESS HERE THAT IN THIS
19:54:30 MAYOR'S RACE, EVERY DAY WHEN I
19:54:30 WENT TO THAT TRACK, THEY WOULD
19:54:33 SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT CAME
19:54:34 IN THE MAIL, WHAT THE NEWSPAPER
19:54:37 SAID ABOUT THE CANDIDATES, MY
19:54:37 OPINION.
19:54:39 AND I SAID, I HAVE NO OPINION.
19:54:44 THAT'S THE PAPER WRITING, I
19:54:45 DIDN'T WRITE THAT OPINION.
19:54:46 BUT IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE
19:54:47 WITH YOU FOLKS, AND THE FOUR OF
19:54:49 YOU ARE GOING TO BE MISSED, AND
19:54:49 I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
19:54:50 EFFORTS.
19:54:52 AND TO BOB BUCKHORN, YOU HAD
19:54:54 EIGHT YEARS OVER THERE AND
19:54:55 EIGHT YEARS OVER THERE, AND
19:54:57 BOBBY, I OUTLASTED YOU.
19:54:59 I'VE BEEN HERE ONE DAY LONGER.
19:54:59 [LAUGHTER]
19:55:00 YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN MAYOR, BUT
19:55:01 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT
19:55:02 YOU'VE DONE, THE EIGHT YEARS
19:55:04 THAT YOU WERE HERE AND THE
19:55:06 EIGHT YEARS YOU WERE MAYOR.
19:55:07 THE CITY HAS REALLY
19:55:08 TRANSFORMED, AND IT'S BEEN AN
19:55:09 INSPIRATIONAL LEADER.
19:55:11 AND BY THE WAY, I'LL NEVER
19:55:13 FORGET WHAT I SAID IN THE TAMPA
19:55:14 THEATRE WHEN HE WAS TALKING
19:55:16 ABOUT HIS GIRLS GOING TO NORTH
19:55:16 CAROLINA.
19:55:18 I SAID, REMEMBER, BOB, THEY'RE
19:55:20 ONLY 12 YEARS OLD, YOU CAN'T
19:55:21 LET THEM GO BY THEMSELVES.
19:55:21 [LAUGHTER]
19:55:23 AND IT WAS A JOKE, AND I STILL
19:55:24 MEAN IT AS A JOKE.
19:55:26 AND HE'S BEEN A WONDERFUL MODEL
19:55:28 FOR SOMEONE TO FOLLOW, SO I
19:55:29 WISH THE INCOMING COUNCIL
19:55:30 MEMBERS AND THE INCOMING MAYOR
19:55:33 THE BEST OF LUCK FOR THE NEXT
19:55:34 TERM IN OFFICE.
19:55:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:55:36 MR. VIERA.
19:55:36 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
19:55:39 YEAH, IT'S FUNNY THAT
19:55:39 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONS
19:55:40 MAYOR BUCKHORN.
19:55:42 I WAS REMEMBERING TODAY THE
19:55:44 FIRST TIME I MET MAYOR
19:55:44 BUCKHORN.
19:55:46 I WAS 18 YEARS OLD AT THE
19:55:47 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AT
19:55:49 THE COLLEGE DEMOCRATS OF USF.
19:55:50 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
19:55:52 CLINTON/GORE, AND HE WAS THERE
19:55:53 AS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR
19:55:54 CLINTON/GORE.
19:55:55 I WAS 18.
19:55:55 IT'S FUNNY.
19:55:56 YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY I WAS
19:55:58 READING AN ARTICLE ON I THINK
19:56:01 IT WAS CNN OR MSNBC ABOUT THE
19:56:02 INCOMING MAYOR, AND THEY WERE
19:56:04 TALKING ABOUT -- NOT TO BRING
19:56:06 UP POLITICAL FACTIONS, ET
19:56:06 CETERA, BUT THEY WERE TALKING
19:56:08 ABOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND HOW
19:56:10 PROGRESSIVE WE MAY BE VS. OTHER
19:56:12 CITIES, AND THEY MENTIONED THE
19:56:13 DEMOCRATS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
19:56:15 TEND TO BE MORE REASONABLE, AND
19:56:17 I READ THAT AND I WENT, THAT'S
19:56:18 PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE WE KNOW,
19:56:19 EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ALL
19:56:22 NONPARTISAN, WHAT OUR PERSONAL
19:56:23 AFFILIATION ARE, AND I THINK
19:56:24 THAT ALL OF US HERE, WE ARE ALL
19:56:25 REASONABLE PEOPLE.
19:56:27 WE MAY DISAGREE, BUT WE'RE ALL
19:56:28 VERY, VERY REASONABLE.
19:56:29 YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK OF THE
19:56:32 FOLKS LEAVING, BEING A MEMBER
19:56:34 OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS ONE OF
19:56:40 THOSE LEGACY THINGS THAT YOUR
19:56:40 NEPHEWS, YOUR NIECES, YOUR
19:56:40 CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN
19:56:41 ARE GOING TO REMEMBER 20, 30,
19:56:43 40, 50 YEARS FROM NOW.
19:56:45 THEY'RE GOING TO GO MY UNCLE,
19:56:46 MY AUNT, MY FATHER, MY
19:56:49 GRANDFATHER, MY GRANDMOTHER, ET
19:56:51 CETERA, WAS A MEMBER OF TAMPA
19:56:51 CITY COUNCIL.
19:56:53 THAT'S A BIG DEAL.
19:56:54 I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE
19:56:55 VERY, VERY PROUD OF.
19:56:56 I REMEMBER THE FIRST DAY THAT
19:56:57 YOU ALL MET.
19:56:58 I WAS HERE BECAUSE MY DEAR
19:57:00 FRIEND, MIKE SUAREZ, IT WAS HIS
19:57:01 FIRST DAY, AND I REMEMBER
19:57:03 SITTING BACK THERE AND JUST
19:57:05 BEING VERY PROUD OF MIKE, AND
19:57:06 I'M GOING TO GET EMOTIONAL.
19:57:08 I CAN'T DO THAT.
19:57:09 I WILL STOP.
19:57:11 I WOULD SAY LATIN MEN ARE
19:57:13 EITHER YELLERS OR CRIERS, AND
19:57:14 I'M A CRIER.
19:57:15 [LAUGHTER]
19:57:17 BUT I REMEMBER BEING THERE,
19:57:18 LOOKING AT MIKE AND HE WAS JUST
19:57:19 NODDING AT ME.
19:57:21 HE WAS PROBABLY VERY NERVOUS
19:57:22 THAT DAY.
19:57:24 I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF ALL OF
19:57:25 YOU ALL.
19:57:28 YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF HEART AND
19:57:30 WE'RE GOING TO MISS OF YOU FOR
19:57:33 A LOT OF SIMILAR BUT DISTINCT
19:57:34 REASONS, SO --
19:57:35 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
19:57:36 MR. SHELBY.
19:57:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU,
19:57:37 MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:57:39 I'M AT A LOSS FOR WORDS, TRULY,
19:57:41 SO I JUST WROTE A FEW THINGS
19:57:42 DOWN THAT I JUST WANT TO SHARE
19:57:44 WITH YOU.
19:57:45 I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT YOU
19:57:47 HAVE CONDUCTED THE PEOPLE'S
19:57:50 BUSINESS WITH PROFESSIONALISM,
19:57:53 WITH COMPASSION AND WITH THE
19:57:54 GRACE YOU APPROACH DIFFICULT
19:57:56 DECISIONS HAS BEEN A HALLMARK
19:57:58 OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, AND
19:57:59 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
19:58:01 EVERY CITIZEN OF THE CITY
19:58:02 SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF, AND
19:58:04 I'VE HEARD THAT IN YOUR
19:58:04 COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE REFLECTED
19:58:08 UPON TODAY, SO I WANT TO SAY TO
19:58:09 YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR
19:58:11 COMMITMENT TO THE PEOPLE OF THE
19:58:17 CITY AND FOR ALL OF HARD WORK
19:58:18 AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT
19:58:19 YOU HAVE MADE ON THEIR BEHALF.
19:58:21 IT HAS BEEN MY GREAT PRIVILEGE
19:58:23 TO SERVE EACH OF YOU AS CITY
19:58:24 COUNCIL ATTORNEY, AND I WISH
19:58:26 EACH OF YOU ALL THE BEST.
19:58:27 THANK YOU.
19:58:29 >> THANK YOU.
19:58:30 >>FRANK REDDICK: MS. CAPIN FOR
19:58:31 AN INTRODUCTION.
19:58:31 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES.
19:58:33 I WANT TO INTRODUCE MYLES
19:58:35 MOTHER, MY DAUGHTER JESSICA
19:58:35 CAPIN.
19:58:37 COULD YOU COME UP TO THE
19:58:38 PODIUM, PLEASE.
19:58:39 [APPLAUSE]
19:58:42 >>MIKE SUAREZ: YOU KNOW, I DID
19:58:43 NOTICE THAT YOU SAID IT WAS
19:58:44 MYLES' MOTHER BEFORE YOU SAID
19:58:45 HER FIRST NAME.
19:58:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES, MYLES'
19:58:48 MOTHER.
19:58:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: OVER TO THE
19:58:50 PODIUM SO WE CAN TAKE PICTURES
19:58:51 OF YOU.
19:58:52 >> [OFF MICROPHONE].
19:58:53 >>MIKE SUAREZ: YEAH.
19:58:54 THERE YOU GO.
19:58:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: JESSICA, THANK
19:58:57 YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT ALL
19:58:58 THROUGH THIS TIME.
19:59:01 YOU'VE BEEN VERY STRONG FOR ME,
19:59:04 AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, AND
19:59:06 YOU'RE THE BEST MOM EVER, RIGHT
19:59:07 MYLES?
19:59:08 >> YES.
19:59:10 [LAUGHTER]
19:59:11 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THANK YOU FOR
19:59:13 ALLOWING ME THIS INDULGENCE.
19:59:14 AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO
19:59:16 ALL THE STAFF, AND I SEE WE
19:59:18 HAVE LEGAL SITTING HERE.
19:59:19 REALLY, WE HAVE SOME BRILLIANT
19:59:22 MINDS WORKING IN THIS CITY, AND
19:59:23 THEY -- THEY WORK VERY
19:59:25 DILIGENTLY AND MAKE SURE THAT
19:59:26 WE GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED
19:59:27 IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DECISIONS
19:59:30 THAT WE NEED TO MAKE, ALL NINE
19:59:31 YEARS.
19:59:32 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD
19:59:37 WORK.
19:59:37 MYLES, DO YOU WANT TO TOAST?
19:59:38 [LAUGHTER]
19:59:40 >>FRANK REDDICK: ANY COMMENTS
19:59:41 FROM YOU?
19:59:45 >> I CAN START BY SAYING THAT
19:59:47 I'M VERY PROUD OF MY MOM AND
19:59:47 EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S
19:59:48 ACCOMPLISHED.
19:59:50 THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
19:59:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
19:59:55 [LAUGHTER]
19:59:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:59:59 VICTOR, YOU JUST WANT TO SAY
20:00:00 SOMETHING TOO?
20:00:01 >> ME?
20:00:01 >>FRANK REDDICK: YEAH.
20:00:03 >> I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON FOR
20:00:05 AN HOUR AND A HALF LIKE STEVE
20:00:08 MICHELINI, BUT --
20:00:08 [LAUGHTER]
20:00:10 >> OH, THAT WAS GOOD.
20:00:10 >> AND I DID HAVE THE
20:00:11 OPPORTUNITY WHEN I WAS HERE
20:00:15 BEFORE YOU ALL WITH THE BERN'S
20:00:16 STEAKHOUSE PROJECT ABOUT A WEEK
20:00:19 AGO, SO -- I KNOW -- MY DAD RAN
20:00:20 FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BACK
20:00:23 WHEN DICK GRECO RAN FOR MAYOR,
20:00:25 I THINK BACK IN THE EARLY '70s,
20:00:27 AND UNFORTUNATELY, HE DIDN'T
20:00:29 MAKE IT, AND MY MOM RAN FOR
20:00:30 OFFICE TOO, SO I KNOW WHAT A
20:00:32 PAIN IN THE ASS IT IS TO RUN
20:00:34 FOR OFFICE, I KNOW WHAT A PAIN
20:00:36 IN THE ASS IT IS TO SERVE.
20:00:38 IT'S JUST BEEN AN HONOR FOR ME
20:00:38 TO KNOW YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY
20:00:40 PERSONALLY.
20:00:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:00:42 AND BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF
20:00:44 TAMPA, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE
20:00:45 SERVICES YOU'VE DONE.
20:00:47 YOU ALL HAVE BEEN AWESOME, AND
20:00:48 WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FUTURE
20:00:49 AS WELL, SO GOOD LUCK.
20:00:50 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
20:00:51 THANK YOU.
20:00:56 >> MAY WE STAND UP.
20:00:56 MAY WE --
20:00:58 >> THEY WANT TO SPEAK.
20:00:59 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
20:01:01 >>YVONNE CAPIN: WHERE IS
20:01:03 CYNTHIA SARFF?
20:01:03 IS SHE HIDING?
20:01:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN'T WE
20:01:06 MAKE THIS MOTION AND LET ME
20:01:06 SPEAK?
20:01:06 I JUST WANT TO FINISH OR I'M
20:01:06 GOING TO FORGET.
20:01:06 >>FRANK REDDICK: YEAH.
20:01:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIRMAN,
20:01:10 I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION -- I
20:01:11 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
20:01:13 PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE
20:01:15 WATER DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZING
20:01:17 FLORIDA WATER REUSE WEEK MAY
20:01:17 19th --
20:01:17 >> SECOND.
20:01:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- THROUGH
20:01:22 THE 25th, 2019, AND DRINKING
20:01:22 WATER WEEK MAY 5th THROUGH THE
20:01:25 11th, 2019, TO BE PRESENTED AT
20:01:25 THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
20:01:30 MAY 2nd, 2019.
20:01:31 AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I
20:01:32 DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT MARY BRYAN
20:01:35 BECAUSE SHE'S A SECRET WEAPON,
20:01:35 AND --
20:01:36 >>MIKE SUAREZ: YOU'RE NOT
20:01:37 LEAVING.
20:01:37 SECRET?
20:01:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SHE'S
20:01:39 NOT LEAVING.
20:01:40 SHE LEAVES, I LEAVE, BUT SHE'S
20:01:42 A VERY HARD WORKER, AND I OWE
20:01:43 ALL THE SUCCESS THAT SHE'S
20:01:46 HAD -- NOT ONLY WHEN I WAS IN
20:01:48 DISTRICT 6 BUT IN DISTRICT 2,
20:01:49 AND SHE HAS DONE A MARVELOUS
20:01:52 JOB FOR THE CITY, AND WHEN I
20:01:53 WANT SOMETHING DONE IN THE
20:01:55 CITY, I USUALLY ASK DO YOU WANT
20:01:56 ME TO HANDLE IT OR DO YOU WANT
20:02:01 MARY, AND THEY SAY, WE WANT YOU
20:02:01 TO HANDLE IT, SO I NICKNAMED
20:02:01 HER THE ROTTWEILER OF CITY HALL
20:02:02 BECAUSE WHEN SHE TAGS ONTO
20:02:03 SOMETHING, SHE DOESN'T LET
20:02:06 LOOSE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE
20:02:07 WORK SHE'S DONE.
20:02:07 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
20:02:12 WHO WANTS TO BE FIRST?
20:02:13 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
20:02:14 YOU, GUYS, FOR GIVING ME THE
20:02:16 OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY YOU,
20:02:17 COUNCILMAN REDDICK.
20:02:19 WHEN I CALLED FROM FAM TO SAY,
20:02:21 HEY, I NEED AN INTERNSHIP, YOU
20:02:23 TOOK A CHANCE, AND I LEARNED A
20:02:25 LOT FROM YOU AND CEDRIC, AND I
20:02:26 TRULY APPRECIATE IT.
20:02:27 THANK YOU FOR ALL THE ADVICE
20:02:29 THAT YOU ALL GAVE ME.
20:02:30 I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO TAKE
20:02:31 THAT WITH ME.
20:02:34 THANK YOU TO THE AIDES FOR, YOU
20:02:35 KNOW, HELPING ME AND TEACHING
20:02:36 ME.
20:02:40 I TRULY APPRECIATE IT, AND
20:02:40 THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.
20:02:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
20:02:50 >> HI.
20:02:56 I'M GOING TO LET LORENA.
20:02:56 OH, WELL, THANK YOU.
20:02:58 HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS,
20:03:01 COUNCILMAN SUAREZ, LORENA.
20:03:01 [LAUGHTER]
20:03:02 YOU MAY KNOW HER FROM YOUR
20:03:03 OFFICE.
20:03:05 NO, SERIOUSLY, WE JUST WANTED
20:03:07 TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY
20:03:09 THAT IT'S BEEN QUITE THE HONOR
20:03:11 TO HAVE SERVED WITH EVERY
20:03:11 SINGLE ONE OF YOU.
20:03:13 I THINK ALL OF US HAVE GROWN IN
20:03:14 OUR ROLES, WE HAVE ACHIEVED A
20:03:15 LOT OF THINGS TOGETHER, AND
20:03:17 WE'VE JUST HAD A GREAT TIME.
20:03:18 WE HAVE A LOT OF FUN BEHIND
20:03:20 THOSE DOORS BACK THERE, A LOT
20:03:22 OF LAUGHTER, A LOT OF MEMORIES,
20:03:24 AND ALL I GUESS I CAN SAY IS IF
20:03:25 THESE WALLS COULD TALK, THERE
20:03:27 WOULD BE A LOT OF FUN STORIES,
20:03:28 BUT THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY
20:03:30 SINGLE ONE OF YOU FOR THE
20:03:31 FRIENDSHIP, FOR THE SUPPORT
20:03:32 THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS GIVEN US,
20:03:35 AND YOU'RE ALL VERY CHERISHED,
20:03:35 AND APPRECIATE IT.
20:03:37 >>FRANK REDDICK: OKAY.
20:03:39 >>HARRY COHEN: LORENA, I ALWAYS
20:03:40 SUSPECTED THERE MIGHT BE
20:03:42 LISTENING DEVICES HERE --
20:03:42 [LAUGHTER]
20:03:44 -- SO THERE MIGHT BE A RECORD
20:03:45 OF SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING
20:03:47 ABOUT.
20:03:49 >> IT'S JUST THE MICROWAVE.
20:03:49 DON'T WORRY.
20:03:51 >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT --
20:03:52 I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT I'M
20:03:54 ONE OF THE NEWBIES HERE, BUT
20:03:55 THERE ARE A FEW AIDES THAT CAME
20:03:56 AFTER ME, AND FROM THE DAY I
20:04:00 STARTED, EVERYBODY HERE HAS
20:04:01 BEEN -- I MEAN, IT REALLY
20:04:02 BECAME A FAMILY IMMEDIATELY,
20:04:04 AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
20:04:06 YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE
20:04:08 SEE ON TV OR THEY READ IN THE
20:04:10 PAPER HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS
20:04:12 BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE
20:04:13 PARTS THAT I'VE APPRECIATED THE
20:04:15 MOST IN A WAY ARE DUE TO THE
20:04:15 SUNSHINE LAWS.
20:04:19 YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO BEHIND IN
20:04:20 THE HALLWAY OVER THERE AND INTO
20:04:21 THE OFFICES, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED
20:04:23 TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS OUT
20:04:25 HERE, SO YOU GET TO TALK A LOT
20:04:26 ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS,
20:04:28 AND I'VE REALIZED THAT THIS
20:04:29 COUNCIL'S FULL OF PEOPLE THAT
20:04:32 ARE VERY INTELLECTUAL, LOTS OF
20:04:34 TALKING ABOUT LBJ AND JFK AND
20:04:37 FDR AND HISTORY, AND I REALLY
20:04:40 THINK THAT IT WOULD BE
20:04:41 DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANOTHER
20:04:42 COUNCIL THAT HAS THIS MUCH
20:04:44 APPRECIATION FOR HISTORY, AND
20:04:45 THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE
20:04:46 LACKING IN ELECTED OFFICIALS
20:04:48 TODAY, SO TAMPA'S BEEN VERY
20:04:49 FORTUNATE, AND I DON'T KNOW
20:04:51 THAT THEY KNOW HOW FORTUNATE
20:04:53 THEY'VE BEEN, SO THANK YOU VERY
20:04:53 MUCH.
20:04:55 >>YVONNE CAPIN: THANK YOU.
20:04:56 >> [OFF MICROPHONE].
20:04:57 >> I'M GOOD.
20:04:58 [LAUGHTER]
20:05:00 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK
20:05:01 YOU.
20:05:04 I'VE KNOWN MOST OF YOU ON A
20:05:04 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEVEL FROM
20:05:08 WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR HERE
20:05:09 FOUR YEARS AGO, ALMOST FOUR
20:05:10 YEARS AGO, BUT THANK YOU ALL
20:05:12 FOR BEING SO AMAZING AND
20:05:12 COMPASSIONATE.
20:05:14 I GOT TO KNOW SO MANY OF YOU ON
20:05:17 A DIFFERENT LEVEL, AND
20:05:18 COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN, I'M SORRY
20:05:20 THAT DREW IS NO LONGER DIALING
20:05:23 YOU ON OUR PHONE RANDOMLY
20:05:27 BECAUSE YOU WERE THE "Y" AND HE
20:05:29 LIKED THE "Y" ON THE PHONE THE
20:05:30 MOST WHEN HE WAS A BABY.
20:05:32 BUT THANK YOU ALL.
20:05:33 CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE AN AMAZING
20:05:38 INDIVIDUAL, AND I LEARNED SO
20:05:38 MUCH FROM YOU AND CEDRIC JUST,
20:05:41 YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, MADE US
20:05:42 ALL SHINE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU
20:05:43 HERE.
20:05:44 I'M SORRY.
20:05:46 COUNCILMAN COHEN, YOU ARE A
20:05:48 BREATH OF FRESH AIR EVERY
20:05:50 SINGLE DAY, AND I CHERISH YOUR
20:05:51 FRIENDSHIP.
20:05:54 COUNCILMAN SUAREZ, YOU'RE AN
20:05:56 AMAZING GUY, AND YOU ARE VERY
20:05:58 QUICK WITH THE WHIT, SO THANK
20:05:58 YOU.
20:05:59 [LAUGHTER]
20:06:00 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:06:01 AND YOU ALL THAT ARE GOING TO
20:06:03 BE HERE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I
20:06:04 THINK LATER, SO THANK YOU SO
20:06:07 MUCH.
20:06:08 >>FRANK REDDICK: I JUST WANT TO
20:06:10 LET YOU KNOW THAT I RECEIVED A
20:06:12 TEXT, AND CEDRIC IS WATCHING
20:06:14 ALL OF THIS.
20:06:15 >> YAY!
20:06:16 [APPLAUSE]
20:06:18 >> CEDRIC.
20:06:19 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I WANT TO GIVE
20:06:21 YOU CINDY'S NICKNAME WITH ALL
20:06:23 THE AIDES, AND IT IS MADRE.
20:06:25 CINDY IS MADRE BACK THERE,
20:06:28 MADRE, WHICH SHE SAYS HER --
20:06:33 >> BUT YOU'RE YO-YO.
20:06:34 >>YVONNE CAPIN: I'M YOLIE.
20:06:35 YVONNE.
20:06:36 YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE.
20:06:38 >>MIKE SUAREZ: TWO DAYS AFTER
20:06:39 THAT WONDERFUL MISSED ELECTION
20:06:40 ON MY PART.
20:06:41 I WAS UP IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
20:06:42 I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEND SOME
20:06:44 TIME WITH CEDRIC, AND WE'RE NOT
20:06:45 GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
20:06:47 HAPPENED, BUT CEDRIC, I HAVEN'T
20:06:49 SAID ANYTHING TO YOUR WIFE AT
20:06:50 ALL, I PROMISE.
20:06:51 [LAUGHTER]
20:06:52 I PROMISE.
20:06:53 WE HAD A GOOD TIME.
20:06:54 BUT THANK YOU ALL AGAIN.
20:06:56 AND I FORGOT TO MENTION, YOU
20:06:59 KNOW, WHEN LORENA CAME UP --
20:07:01 LORENA, WHEN LORENA CAME UP AND
20:07:03 I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT HOW ALL
20:07:04 THE AIDES HAVE TO COEXIST WITH
20:07:06 OUR FAMILIES, AND I WANT TO
20:07:07 THANK YOU FOR COEXISTING WITH
20:07:09 MY WIFE, WHO'S A WONDERFUL
20:07:11 PERSON IN HER OWN RIGHT, AND
20:07:12 YOU BOTH ARE FEW WONDERFUL
20:07:14 WOMEN THAT I GOT A CHANCE TO BE
20:07:15 AROUND QUITE A BIT.
20:07:16 I THINK I WAS AROUND YOU MORE
20:07:18 THAN I WAS HER MOST OF THE TIME
20:07:20 BECAUSE OF THE WORK SCHEDULE,
20:07:21 AND I WANT TO THANK MY SONS
20:07:23 VINCENT, ANTHONY, AND NICHOLAS.
20:07:25 VINCENT, WHO NOW IS WORKING AS
20:07:26 A LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO
20:07:33 REPRESENTATIVE VALDES.
20:07:34 IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE A FAMILY
20:07:35 BUSINESS.
20:07:35 I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT HE'S
20:07:37 ENJOYING HIMSELF.
20:07:38 BUT I HOPE THAT YOU ALL KNOW
20:07:39 THAT WE ALL APPRECIATE WHAT YOU
20:07:40 HAVE DONE FOR US BECAUSE YOU
20:07:42 HAVE TAUGHT US A LOT, AND I
20:07:43 HOPE THAT YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY
20:07:44 ABOUT US.
20:07:45 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
20:07:47 >>YVONNE CAPIN: GOODNIGHT,
20:07:47 MYLES.
20:07:48 >>FRANK REDDICK: LET ME CLOSE
20:07:50 BY JUST THANKING -- YOU KNOW,
20:07:53 CEDRIC HAD BEEN WITH ME FOR
20:07:57 7 3/4 OF A YEAR, AND ANOTHER
20:07:59 OPPORTUNITY CAME ALONG, AND HE
20:08:01 TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY, BUT I
20:08:03 WANT TO THANK THE OTHER AIDES
20:08:06 IN THE OFFICE WHO STEPPED IN
20:08:14 AND HELPED TO UNDERSTAND THE
20:08:16 PROCESS AND GUIDED HER IN THE
20:08:17 SHORT TIME THAT SHE'S BEEN
20:08:19 HERE, SO ALL OF YOU WHO REACH
20:08:20 OUT AND HELP, I APPRECIATE
20:08:22 THAT, AND I'M PRETTY SURE
20:08:25 CEDRIC ALSO APPRECIATES IT
20:08:28 BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD PUT ME
20:08:31 IN A BAD SPOT BY WALKING AWAY
20:08:34 ON SHORT NOTICE, SO HE THANKS
20:08:36 YOU, AND I ENJOYED THE TIME
20:08:40 THAT I'VE SPENT WORKING WITH
20:08:42 YOU, AND I WISH ALL OF YOU THE
20:08:44 BEST FOR YOUR FUTURE.
20:08:46 ALL RIGHT.
20:08:48 CHARLIE, CLOSE IT OUT.
20:08:49 >>MIKE SUAREZ: MOTION TO
20:08:50 RECEIVE AND FILE.
20:08:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVE.
20:08:51 >>FRANK REDDICK: ALL RIGHT.
20:08:53 CHARLIE --
20:08:54 >> [OFF MICROPHONE].
20:08:56 >>FRANK REDDICK: I'VE GOT A
20:08:57 MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
20:08:59 MR. SUAREZ, SECONDED BY
20:09:00 MR. MIRANDA.
20:09:02 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
20:09:04 THOSE OPPOSED.
20:09:06 >>HARRY COHEN: NAY.
20:09:08 [LAUGHTER]
20:09:08 [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
20:09:09 >>FRANK REDDICK: WE STAND
20:09:10 ADJOURNED.
20:09:11 >>HARRY COHEN: [OFF
20:09:12 MICROPHONE].
20:09:13 >>YVONNE CAPIN: YES, LET'S DO
20:09:14 THAT.
20:09:19 >> [OFF MICROPHONE].
20:09:25 >> ARE WE ADJOURNED OR ARE WE
20:09:35 STILL GOING?
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