TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JUNE 6, 2019
9:00 A.M.
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8:54:58AM
9:03:23AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:03:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:03:24AM CITY COUNCIL IS CALLED INTO SESSION.
9:03:26AM WE BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION.
9:03:28AM I BELIEVE THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY TODAY OF COUNCILMAN
9:03:31AM CITRO.
9:03:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
9:03:36AM I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A FRIEND OF MINE THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR
9:03:38AM MANY, MANY YEARS, MS. SHARON STOLL.
9:03:41AM SHARON HAS BEEN WORKING AND VOLUNTEERING AS A CERTIFIED HARP
9:03:44AM PRACTITIONER SINCE 2001.
9:03:47AM UTILIZING HER SOOTHING THERAPEUTIC MUSIC AT BEDSIDES IN THE
9:03:52AM TAMPA BAY AREA WITH HOSPITALS AND ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS LIFE
9:03:55AM PATH HOSPICE, TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, ST. JOSEPH'S HOSPITAL,
9:04:00AM ST. JOSEPH'S WOMEN'S HOSPITAL, NURSING HOMES, ASSISTED
9:04:04AM LIVING FACILITIES AND PRIVATE HOMES.
9:04:06AM SHE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE INSTITUTE FOR
9:04:08AM HEALING THROUGH SOUND AND MUSIC AND IS CURRENTLY THE
9:04:12AM PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
9:04:14AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL STANDARDS BOARD OF THERAPEUTIC
9:04:18AM MUSICIANS, SHE HAS BEEN HONORED TO BE PART OF THE
9:04:21AM STANDARDIZING BOARD OF ALL CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS FOR
9:04:24AM THERAPEUTIC MUSICIANS.
9:04:26AM A LONG-STANDING MEMBER OF ST. JOHNS EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN
9:04:30AM TAMPA, SHE HAS SERVED ON THE VESTRY FOR 11 YEARS IN BOTH
9:04:34AM ELECTED AND ASSIGNED POSITIONS.
9:04:36AM SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME MY FRIEND MS. STOLL
9:04:42AM TO GIVE THE INVOCATION.
9:04:43AM IF YOU COULD PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE
9:04:46AM OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:04:46AM YOUR INVOCATION FIRST.
9:04:57AM >> MOST HEAVENLY FATHER, FATHER OF ALL TIME AND ETERNITY, WE
9:05:01AM THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US SAFELY HERE TODAY.
9:05:05AM WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE
9:05:08AM REMEMBER THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE US TODAY, ESPECIALLY
9:05:11AM THOSE WE COMMEMORATE ON THE 75th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY.
9:05:16AM THE GREATEST GENERATION, WE REMEMBER THOSE WHO LABORED NOT
9:05:21AM FOR THEMSELVES ALONE, BUT WITH THE VISION OF BUILDING FOR
9:05:24AM THE FUTURE A WORLD BETTER THAN THEY HAD KNOWN.
9:05:27AM BE WITH EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEIR SUPPORT STAFF
9:05:31AM DRAWING THEM CLOSE TO YOU AND EACH OTHER AS THEY LABOR ON TO
9:05:35AM THEIR COMMON GOALS.
9:05:36AM HELP THEM TO LOOK TO THE PAST WITH GRATITUDE AND TO THE
9:05:40AM FUTURE WITH HOPE AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, RELEASE ALL FEARS
9:05:43AM ENABLING THEM TO REACH FOR THE UNIMAGINABLES THAT THEY CAN
9:05:47AM ACCOMPLISH AS THE UNITED BODY.
9:05:49AM SHINE YOUR LIGHT ON THE PATH WITH CLARITY AND WISDOM SO THAT
9:05:53AM THEY MAY FEEL YOUR MOST HOLY PRESENCE.
9:05:56AM FILL THEM WITH INSPIRATION TO KNOW AND TO SEE THEIR VISION
9:06:00AM SO THAT THEY MAY STRIVE FOR THINGS BEYOND THEMSELVES AND BE
9:06:04AM DEDICATED TO HIGH PURPOSES AND GRAND HORIZONS.
9:06:07AM AMEN.
9:06:09AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:21AM >> MS. STOLL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
9:06:31AM I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE.
9:06:34AM IN THE FUTURE, IF WE HAVE ANY LATE NIGHTS, CAN YOU PLEASE
9:06:37AM COME AND PLAY YOUR HARP SO WE MAY BE SOOTHED DURING THOSE
9:06:40AM LATE NIGHTS?
9:06:41AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:06:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:06:43AM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:06:43AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
9:06:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
9:06:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:06:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
9:06:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:06:52AM >> CARLSON?
9:06:53AM VIERA?
9:06:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:06:56AM OKAY.
9:06:57AM WE BEGIN.
9:06:57AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
9:07:00AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:07:03AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:07:05AM ANY IN FAVOR?
9:07:06AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:07:07AM NOW WE GO TO CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND/OR PRESENTATIONS.
9:07:10AM IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ITEM NUMBER 1 IS GOING TO BE
9:07:13AM REMOVED.
9:07:13AM IS THAT CORRECT?
9:07:18AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT BRIEFLY.
9:07:21AM OUR WONDERFUL ASSISTANT, CYNTHIA SARFF, THIS WEEK WAS HER
9:07:29AM LAST WEEK, AND WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE HER A COMMENDATION,
9:07:32AM BUT SHE IS A VERY MODEST PERSON.
9:07:34AM SHE SAID I'M HITTING THE ROAD AND MOVING TO ILLINOIS.
9:07:37AM WE'LL MISS HER.
9:07:38AM SHE DID A GREAT JOB FOR 16 YEARS FOR MYSELF AND MS. CAPIN.
9:07:42AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:07:43AM AND GOOD LUCK, CINDY.
9:07:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: VERY WELL SAID.
9:07:46AM CINDY IS A WONDERFUL PERSON WHO IS A TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT AND
9:07:50AM A BIG SPORTS FAN.
9:07:52AM WE'RE LOSING NOT ONLY A WONDERFUL LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT, BUT
9:07:55AM I'M LOSING A DISTRICT 7 VOTER.
9:07:57AM IF I MAY, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT?
9:08:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.
9:08:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:08:04AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:08:06AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:07AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:07AM NOW, IF I MAY, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT A MOTION TO HAVE A
9:08:11AM COMMENDATION TODAY FOR MR. PERRICONE.
9:08:16AM I'LL HAND THE GAVEL TO MR. MANISCALCO.
9:08:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM MR. VIERA, SECOND BY
9:08:20AM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:08:21AM ALL IN FAVOR.
9:08:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I'LL PROCEED.
9:08:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
9:08:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE HERE TO GIVE A TAMPA
9:08:44AM CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION ON THIS VERY SPECIAL DAY AS WE ALL
9:08:48AM KNOW.
9:08:49AM TODAY IS THE 75th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY.
9:08:52AM FOR THIS, WE HAD BEEN TALKING WITH THE TAMPA BAY HISTORY
9:08:54AM CENTER ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING HERE FOR A VERY SPECIAL
9:08:58AM TAMPANIAN, MR. SAM GIBBONS, WHO WAS A D-DAY VETERAN AND
9:09:04AM REPRESENTED US HERE IN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS FOR TAMPA
9:09:07AM FOR 34 YEARS.
9:09:08AM THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY.
9:09:09AM IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT ALSO WE ARE HONORING A WORLD WAR II
9:09:13AM VETERAN HERE TODAY.
9:09:14AM MR. JOE ANGELO PERRICONE.
9:09:19AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING, SIR.
9:09:21AM IT IS A REAL HONOR TO HAVE YOU.
9:09:23AM >> IT'S A PLEASURE.
9:09:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU ARE A VERY HUMBLE MAN.
9:09:31AM THIS VERY HUMBLE MAN IS HERE WITH HIS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,
9:09:35AM WHICH INCLUDES ANTHONY PALERMO, JUDGE TOM PALERMO, MS. ANA
9:09:39AM MARIE PALERMO, SOME OF HIS GRANDCHILDREN AND THEN HIS
9:09:43AM DAUGHTER, DELORES PERRICONE.
9:09:45AM WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GIVE THIS FINE GENTLEMAN A TAMPA CITY
9:09:49AM COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:09:51AM SOME OF YOU ALL MAY HAVE READ ABOUT JOE'S STORY OR HEARD
9:09:54AM ABOUT JOE'S STORY IN THE PAPER.
9:09:55AM IT MADE CNN.
9:09:57AM IT MADE NATIONAL MEDIA, WHICH IS ALWAYS INTERESTING.
9:10:00AM FOR THIS GENTLEMAN, THE YEAR WAS 1943.
9:10:03AM HE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL AT
9:10:05AM HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL IN 1943.
9:10:07AM HE WAS, I BELIEVE, 19 YEARS OLD AND WAS DRAFTED TO THE
9:10:11AM UNITED STATES ARMY.
9:10:12AM AND, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT.
9:10:15AM 18 OR 19 YEARS OLD.
9:10:17AM IMAGINE BEING AN 18 OR A 19-YEAR-OLD AND BEING SENT OFF TO
9:10:20AM COMBAT IN EUROPE AND LITERALLY HAVING THE WEIGHT OF THE
9:10:23AM WORLD AGAINST THE ACCESS POWERS ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
9:10:26AM WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE-TIME YOUNG MAN FOUND.
9:10:29AM WHEN YOU LEAVE HOME AND GO INTO COMBAT, WE CAN ALL ASSUME
9:10:32AM THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REGRETS THAT YOU HAVE.
9:10:35AM YOU HAVE REGRETS OF LEAVING YOUR FAMILY.
9:10:36AM I KNOW YOU LEFT YOUR MOTHER.
9:10:38AM YOU HAVE REGRETS OF LEAVING YOUR LOVED ONES, INCLUDING HIS
9:10:41AM FIANCÉE, HOPE, WHO WOULD BECOME HIS WIFE OF 72 YEARS AND
9:10:45AM COUNTING.
9:10:45AM BUT ONE OF THE GREAT REGRETS THAT THIS MAN HAD WAS LEAVING
9:10:48AM HOME WITHOUT WALKING AND GETTING HIS HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA.
9:10:51AM AND IT WAS A REGRET THAT HE WOULD CARRY WITH HIM FOR MANY,
9:10:54AM MANY YEARS.
9:10:55AM JOE HERE WOULD GO ON TO SERVE IN EUROPE, AND HE WOULD GO ON
9:10:58AM TO SERVE IN WORLD WAR II IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE,
9:11:02AM GERMANY, DENMARK, SWEDEN, AND BELGIUM.
9:11:04AM AFTER HIS SERVICE IN WORLD WAR II, HE WOULD RETURN TO TAMPA.
9:11:07AM HE WOULD RETURN TO MARRY HIS FIANCÉE, AND WOULD RETURN TO
9:11:11AM REALLY BUILD A LEGACY, A WONDERFUL LEGACY THAT IS
9:11:14AM REPRESENTED HERE TODAY, AND THESE FINE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE
9:11:17AM TO HONOR THEIR FATHER AND THEIR GRANDFATHER.
9:11:19AM HE WOULD GO ON TO DO A GREAT DEAL OF WORK, INCLUDING OWNING
9:11:23AM PHILLIPS 66 GAS STATION AND WORKING AS A MECHANIK, OFTEN --
9:11:28AM MECHANIC, OFTEN VERY, VERY DANGEROUS WORK.
9:11:32AM INTENSIVE WORK, OFTEN WORKING WITH HIS HANDS.
9:11:34AM THROUGH ALL THIS TIME, AND INCLUDING BUILDING A LEGACY WITH
9:11:37AM HIS WIFE, HOPE, HIS FIANCÉE WHEN HE WAS SENT OFF TO WAR,
9:11:40AM THAT WOULD INCLUDE SIX GREAT CHILDREN, FIVE GRANDCHILDREN,
9:11:43AM AND THREE CHILDREN, DELORIS, JOE AND, DELIA, HE CONTINUED TO
9:11:50AM ALWAYS CARRY WITH HIM THE BURDEN OF NOT GETTING HIS HIGH
9:11:52AM SCHOOL DIPLOMA IN A GRADUATION CEREMONY, WHICH HE LEFT
9:11:56AM BEHIND WHEN HE WOUND UP SERVING IN WORLD WAR II.
9:11:59AM WELL, ALL OF HIS LIFE, THIS FINE MAN'S GRANDCHILDREN WOULD
9:12:02AM HEAR ABOUT THAT.
9:12:03AM THEY WOULD HEAR ABOUT THIS REGRET THAT HE HAD.
9:12:07AM AND SO THEY SAW TO IT ABOUT, WHAT, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO OR
9:12:10AM SO, TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT HE COULD ACTUALLY WALK AND GET HIS
9:12:14AM HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT 72, 75
9:12:18AM YEARS AFTER THE FACT.
9:12:19AM YOU KNOW.
9:12:22AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:12:22AM THAT SHOWS A LOT OF STRENGTH.
9:12:27AM THAT SHOWS A LOT OF DETERMINATION.
9:12:29AM THAT SHOWS WHAT OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS CALL A LOT
9:12:33AM OF CHUTZPAH.
9:12:34AM AND HE DID IT.
9:12:36AM WE'RE HONORING HIM WITH A CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:12:38AM WE HAVE HIS WONDERFUL FAMILY HERE, INCLUDING, AND I SHOULD
9:12:40AM HAVE ALSO INTRODUCED HIM AS JUDGE, JUDGE TOM PALERMO WHO WAS
9:12:44AM RECENTLY APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR DESANTIS TO THE CIRCUIT
9:12:47AM COURT, WHO IS HERE.
9:12:48AM JOE, WE ARE HERE TODAY ON THE SPECIAL DAY.
9:12:51AM IT IS THE 75th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY.
9:12:54AM AND IT IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY FOR YOU, SIR, BECAUSE THE CITY
9:12:56AM YOU WERE BORN IN.
9:12:57AM THE CITY THAT YOUR WIFE WAS BORN IN.
9:12:59AM THE CITY THAT YOU RAISED YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR
9:13:01AM GRANDCHILDREN HONORS YOU TODAY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOUR
9:13:03AM DEDICATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:13:05AM IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, YOU MAY.
9:13:09AM LET'S FIRST GIVE THIS FINE GENTLEMAN ANOTHER ROUND OF
9:13:12AM APPLAUSE.
9:13:13AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:20AM >> THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH THAT I CAN SAY.
9:13:23AM THERE'S A HECK OF A LOT OF MEN THAT REALLY DESERVE TO BE
9:13:28AM HERE, CAN'T BE HERE, BUT I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK
9:13:34AM ABOUT THEM.
9:13:39AM THEY DID THEIR JOB.
9:13:42AM THAT'S A LOT OF MEN, GOOD MEN HURT, KILLED, ONE THING, THE
9:13:53AM OTHER.
9:13:54AM I NEVER CAME ACROSS ONE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO BE THERE.
9:13:58AM I THINK THEY ALL DID A GREAT JOB, AND I PRAY TO GOD WE NEVER
9:14:10AM HAVE ANOTHER ONE LIKE THAT.
9:14:12AM THAT'S ABOUT IT.
9:14:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:14:15AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:14:15AM GOD BLESS YOU.
9:14:16AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:14:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY FROM THE DAY CITIES IN
9:14:27AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:14:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND
9:14:30AM YOUR WONDERFUL FAMILY.
9:14:31AM I KNOW THE JUDGE.
9:14:33AM MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MENTIONED SAM GIBBONS.
9:14:38AM YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH?
9:14:40AM CAN YOU TURN THAT PERHAPS TO THE CAMERA.
9:14:41AM I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT-OUT TO -- YEAH, WHY
9:14:47AM DON'T YOU BRING IT OVER THERE.
9:14:49AM IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL PHOTO.
9:14:50AM I SAW IT YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
9:14:52AM CONGRESSMAN SAM GIBBONS, AS WE KNOW, JUMPED INTO THE BACK
9:15:05AM SIDE OF D-DAY AS A PARATROOPER, AND THEN SERVED OUR
9:15:10AM COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS LEGISLATIVE CAPACITIES, INCLUDING, I
9:15:13AM THINK, MORE THAN FOUR DECADES UP IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AS OUR
9:15:17AM CONGRESSMAN.
9:15:17AM AND THERE ARE SO MANY LIKE HIM WHO SERVED SO WELL, LIKE YOU,
9:15:23AM MR. PERRICONE.
9:15:25AM MODEST AND HUMBLE WAY.
9:15:29AM AND MANY WE'VE LOST OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE NEVER FORGET ANY
9:15:32AM OF YOU.
9:15:33AM THANK YOU SO MUCH.
9:15:33AM THANK YOU.
9:15:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:15:36AM ANYBODY ELSE?
9:15:37AM NO?
9:15:38AM REAL QUICK.
9:15:39AM SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE.
9:15:41AM YOU KNOW, YOU GOT DRAFTED AND YOUR LIFE COMPLETELY CHANGED
9:15:46AM AND YOU HAD TO PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD.
9:15:48AM BUT YOU DID SO TO ESSENTIALLY SAVE THE WORLD.
9:15:50AM THEY CALL YOU THE GREATEST GENERATION FOR A REASON.
9:15:52AM IF IT WASN'T FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND THE SACRIFICES AND
9:15:57AM SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY, WHO KNOWS, WE'D ALL BE SPEAKING
9:16:00AM GERMAN.
9:16:00AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:16:01AM I DON'T KNOW.
9:16:01AM BUT THE BRAVERY THAT YOU'VE SHOWN AND, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP,
9:16:06AM ANYBODY THAT WAS OLDER, MY GRANDFATHER'S AGE, BECAUSE HE WAS
9:16:09AM BORN IN '20, AND HE ALSO SERVED, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALL
9:16:14AM WORLD WAR II HEROES.
9:16:16AM NOW, YOU'RE IN YOUR 90s.
9:16:18AM YOU'RE OLDER.
9:16:18AM SEEING SOMEONE FROM WORLD WAR II OR KOREA AS WELL, IT'S LIKE
9:16:22AM SEEING A CELEBRITY.
9:16:23AM MY FRIENDS AND I WENT OUT FOR COFFEE LAST NIGHT.
9:16:26AM THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WITH HIS SON.
9:16:27AM HE HAD HIS HAT ON.
9:16:28AM WORLD WAR II VETERAN.
9:16:30AM YOU SHOULD SEE THE EXCITEMENT IN MY FRIENDS' FACES.
9:16:33AM DO WE TALK TO HIM?
9:16:36AM WHAT DO WE SAY?
9:16:37AM TOMORROW IS THE D-DAY ANNIVERSARY.
9:16:39AM YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THERE IS THE APPRECIATION.
9:16:42AM I HOPE FOLKS AND I KNOW FOLKS KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF YOUR
9:16:46AM GENERATION AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, AND THE
9:16:48AM SACRIFICE MADE NOW 75 YEARS AGO, BUT WE THANK YOU.
9:16:53AM YOU'RE A PROUD SON OF THIS COMMUNITY.
9:16:57AM WE'RE DEFINITELY PROUD OF YOU.
9:16:59AM AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US.
9:17:02AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, IN
9:17:06AM THE BACK OF THE ROOM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
9:17:09AM PROBABLY 17-YEAR-OLDS.
9:17:10AM I HOPE THAT THEY NEVER FORGET THAT THEY MET A WORLD WAR II
9:17:15AM VET, AND A PROUD HERO WHO WAS WILLING TO FACE EVIL ON BEHALF
9:17:21AM OF THE FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE.
9:17:24AM AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SHAKE HANDS WITH THIS
9:17:27AM WONDERFUL MAN.
9:17:28AM THANK YOU.
9:17:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
9:17:30AM ALL RIGHTY.
9:18:15AM WE WILL NOW GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:18:17AM WE HAVE 30 MINUTES ALLOTTED FOR ANY MATTERS OTHER THAN
9:18:20AM PUBLIC HEARINGS.
9:18:21AM THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
9:18:22AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN AND STATE
9:18:26AM YOUR NAME.
9:18:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:18:27AM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS DIANA KLINE.
9:18:32AM I AM HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF OUR PREBORN NEIGHBORS WHO ARE
9:18:36AM BEING MURDERED IN TAMPA UNDER YOUR WATCH AND JURISDICTION.
9:18:39AM THERE'S OVER 200 BABIES MURDERED EVERY WEEK IN TAMPA,
9:18:42AM FLORIDA.
9:18:42AM WE NEED TO END THIS BLOODSHED.
9:18:44AM IT'S MY DUTY AS A CHRISTIAN TO INFORM YOU OF GOD-ORDAINED
9:18:48AM DUTY TO PRESERVE JUSTICE AND TO PUNISH EVIL.
9:18:51AM ROE V. WADE IS NOT A LAW.
9:18:53AM IT IS A FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED COURT OPINION THAT IS TO BE
9:18:56AM COMPLETELY IGNORED.
9:18:57AM GOD'S WORD TELLS US THAT WHEN THE SENTENCE AGAINST AN EVIL
9:19:01AM DEED IS NOT EXECUTED SPEEDILY THAT THE HEART OF CHILDREN OF
9:19:05AM MAN IS FULLY SET TO DO EVIL.
9:19:07AM TRAGIC, WE HAVE CULTIVATED A CULTURE OF DEATH IN TAMPA AND
9:19:11AM ACROSS THE NATION THAT NEEDS TO STOP.
9:19:13AM WE ALL NEED TO HUMBLE OURSELVES AND PRAY AND SEEK GOD'S FACE
9:19:17AM AND TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS AND THEN GOD WILL HEAR FROM
9:19:20AM HEAVEN AND FORGIVE OUR SIN AND WILL HEAL OUR LAND.
9:19:23AM GOD'S WORLD TELLS US THAT WE ARE ALL FEARFULLY AND
9:19:27AM WONDERFULLY MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE AND THAT CHILDREN ARE A GIFT
9:19:30AM FROM GOD AND THAT WE ARE TO OPEN OUR MOUTH FOR THE NEEDY AND
9:19:36AM TO DEFEND THE FATHERLESS AND TO RESCUE THOSE TAKEN TO THE
9:19:40AM SLAUGHTER.
9:19:40AM ALL OF US MUST DO OUR PART IN LOVING, NURTURING AND
9:19:45AM PROTECTING OUR FELLOW IMAGE BEARERS IN THE WOMB BECAUSE LOVE
9:19:48AM BEGINS IN THE WOMB.
9:19:49AM I WELCOME EACH OF YOU TO JOIN ME IN FRONT OF THE MURDER
9:19:54AM MILLS IN TAMPA TO HELP RESCUE THE PREBORN FROM A BRUTAL
9:19:59AM DEATH.
9:19:59AM I INVITE PASTORS AND ANY OTHER PROFESSING CHRISTIAN IN THIS
9:20:04AM COMMUNITY TO JOIN ME AS WELL IN FRONT OF THESE KILLING
9:20:07AM CENTERS.
9:20:08AM THERE'S LOTS OF RESOURCES FOR WOMEN WHO ARE WITH CHILD.
9:20:11AM THERE'S LOTS OF HELP FOR THEM.
9:20:12AM THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO MURDER A BABY IN THE WOMB.
9:20:16AM AND YOU CAN COME SEE FOR YOURSELF JUST HOW HELPLESS THAT
9:20:20AM THESE BABIES ARE AND COME OUT TO INTERPOSE ON THEIR BEHALF.
9:20:26AM AND YOU CAN ALSO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE MISSIONARY WORK
9:20:31AM THAT I DO AT LOVE THE PREBORN.COM.
9:20:34AM THAT'S LOVE THE PREBORN.COM.
9:20:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:20:39AM NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.
9:20:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:20:43AM CONNIE BURTON.
9:20:44AM SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN IN
9:20:50AM A NEWSPAPER IN OUR LOCAL PAPER THAT TALKED ABOUT THE
9:20:54AM $3 BILLION PROJECT THAT IS BEING BUILT.
9:20:59AM AND WE ARE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
9:21:02AM YOU KNOW, I CONTINUE TO ECHO MY COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS
9:21:07AM ABOUT EXPENDITURES AND MONIES BEING SET ASIDE FOR THAT
9:21:10AM DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORNING IS
9:21:15AM THAT IN THAT ARTICLE, IT TALKED ABOUT A FIND OF PEOPLE THAT
9:21:23AM LIVED THERE WAY BEFORE THIS PROJECT WAS EVEN BEING THOUGHT
9:21:25AM OF.
9:21:27AM IN THE ARTICLE, IT TALKED ABOUT HOW A LEAK WAS MADE AND
9:21:35AM THERE HAS BEEN DISCOVERY OF ARTIFACTS OF PEOPLE THAT ONCE
9:21:39AM LIVED IN THIS AREA.
9:21:43AM AND IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT HUMAN REMAINS.
9:21:47AM IT TALKS ABOUT HOW A 71-PAGE REPORT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER,
9:21:54AM BUT ONLY A FEW PEOPLE MADE PRIVY TO THAT.
9:21:59AM AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE MAYOR, THE TAMPA BAY TIMES AND THE
9:22:04AM PROJECT MANAGER.
9:22:07AM NOW, IF WE ARE READING CLOSELY, WE KNOW THAT JEFF VINIK
9:22:13AM LOANED THE TAMPA TIMES $12 MILLION.
9:22:17AM IF WE ARE ONLY GETTING INFORMATION OUT BECAUSE IT WAS A
9:22:20AM LEAK, THEN HOW WOULD WE KNOW ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO HOW
9:22:26AM THOSE HUMAN REMAINS WILL BE DISPOSED OF?
9:22:29AM THE ARTICLE LED THAT THOSE FROM THE SEMINOLE TRIBE, THEIR
9:22:38AM PEOPLES' REMAINS WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO THEM FOR PROPER
9:22:42AM BURIAL.
9:22:42AM ONCE THERE WAS AN AFRICAN COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN IN AND AROUND
9:22:46AM THE GARRISON.
9:22:48AM IF THOSE BODIES, THE REMAINS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE THAT
9:22:52AM OF THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT.
9:22:56AM WE DON'T WANT NO QUIET, SECRETLY DISPOSAL OF THEIR BODY IN
9:23:03AM SOME UNKNOWN GRAVE.
9:23:06AM SO A $3 BILLION PROJECT CAN PROCEED.
9:23:08AM WE WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD INTERVENE AND START
9:23:15AM ASKING QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF SEEING THE REPORT, WHAT WAS THE
9:23:23AM FINDING OF THE REPORT.
9:23:24AM WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE DISPOSITION OF BODIES, OF
9:23:27AM PEOPLE THAT ONCE HELPED BUILD WHAT WE KNOW TO BE TAMPA NOW,
9:23:34AM THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME DIGNITY IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR
9:23:40AM PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE A DECENT AND PROPER BURIAL
9:23:44AM SITE.
9:23:44AM THANK YOU.
9:23:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:23:50AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:23:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR ENLIGHTENING ME.
9:23:55AM I WAS UNAWARE OF ANY POSSIBLE REMAINS AT ANY SITE THAT WE'RE
9:24:00AM DOING DEVELOPMENT ON.
9:24:01AM THAT CONCERNS ME IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A SITE THAT
9:24:05AM DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PLACED AND POSSIBLE HUMAN REMAINS
9:24:09AM THERE.
9:24:10AM I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL HAS HEARD OF THIS BEFORE.
9:24:13AM MR. SHELBY, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?
9:24:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO RECALL SEEING AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT,
9:24:19AM SIR.
9:24:19AM I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER.
9:24:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE MAY NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
9:24:24AM WE'LL ASK FOR A REPORT FROM STAFF.
9:24:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN THE FORM OF A
9:24:33AM MOTION?
9:24:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CITRO HAD SOMETHING.
9:24:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION.
9:24:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH YOUR PERMISSION OF COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO
9:24:43AM MAKE A MOTION, IF POSSIBLE.
9:24:45AM I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TAKE THE TIME --
9:24:47AM TAKE THE TIME TO WORK WITH SBP AND THOSE AT THE CONSTRUCTION
9:24:51AM SITE TO ENSURE THAT A PROPER EXAMINATION BE GIVEN TO THOSE
9:24:54AM REMAINS AND THAT ALL PROCESS -- EXCUSE ME, ALL PROCESSES BE
9:24:59AM EXHAUSTED TO IDENTIFY THE REMAINS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY CAN BE
9:25:03AM GIVEN AND GIVE A PROPER BURIAL TO THE BODIES FOUND.
9:25:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY AMENDMENTS?
9:25:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ASK FOR A REPORT BACK.
9:25:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: REPORT BACK WOULD BE FINE.
9:25:16AM I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
9:25:17AM WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
9:25:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'LL PROBABLY NEED A DATE.
9:25:23AM SO THAT WOULD BE -- WANT TO DO IT THE WEEK AFTER JULY 4th?
9:25:32AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
9:25:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT IS OUR NEXT REGULAR SESSION?
9:25:35AM JUNE 27?
9:25:42AM >> JULY 18.
9:25:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:25:44AM JULY 18th, PLEASE.
9:25:45AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
9:25:47AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:25:49AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:25:51AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:25:52AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:25:52AM THANK YOU.
9:25:53AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:25:55AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:25:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:26:03AM >> QUITE NATURALLY, METESMOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
9:26:07AM QUITE NATURALLY, THE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO BE MADE AWARE OF
9:26:09AM ANYTHING GOING ON WITH THIS AND THE DEVELOPMENTS ABOUT THIS.
9:26:13AM THE REALITY IS, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO BASIC, BROAD, GENERAL,
9:26:19AM COMPLACENT, DISRESPECT.
9:26:23AM 600-YEAR-OLD DISRESPECT PEOPLE HAVE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
9:26:27AM YOU SEE, WHITE PEOPLE CELEBRATING -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
9:26:31AM CELEBRATING OR COMMEMORATING D-DAY, DEATH, WAR, CRIME, GORE,
9:26:38AM ALL THAT OTHER NONSENSE.
9:26:39AM AND WHAT YOU SEE, NOBODY, THEY TALK ABOUT AUSCHWITZ, THEY
9:26:48AM TALK ABOUT THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED TO JEWS IN GERMANY, AND
9:26:51AM NO ONE SPEAKS OF THE ATROCITIES, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND
9:26:54AM MILLIONS OF DEATH AND MURDER COMMITTED BY HITLER, MUSSOLINI
9:27:02AM AND A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE.
9:27:03AM FRANCE, BELGIUM, ENGLAND, U.S. AGAINST AFRICAN PEOPLE, RIGHT
9:27:10AM IN AFRICA.
9:27:12AM WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE SLAVE TRADERS YET.
9:27:15AM RIGHT IN AFRICA.
9:27:16AM RIGHT IN WORLD WAR II.
9:27:19AM BUT ALL THE WHITE FOLKS ALL OVER THE WORLD RIGHT NOW TALKING
9:27:23AM ABOUT D-DAY.
9:27:24AM AND NORMANDY AND NORMANDY BEACH.
9:27:27AM AND NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THE AFRICAN.
9:27:31AM NOT ONE SINGLE WORD, OTHER THAN 2,000 BIRACIAL CHILDREN IN
9:27:34AM ENGLAND WHEREAS THE SOLDIERS WEREN'T ALLOWED TO MARRY THE
9:27:39AM WHITE WOMEN AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
9:27:40AM A DISRESPECT.
9:27:42AM BUT IT'S A HATRED THAT PEOPLE HAVE FOR THIS COLOR SKIN.
9:27:47AM IT'S A HATRED THEY HAVE FOR THIS LOOK.
9:27:49AM IT'S A DISRESPECT.
9:27:51AM IT'S A NATURAL DISRESPECT.
9:27:52AM YOU CAN NATURALLY DO IT AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
9:27:55AM COOL IS GOOD WITH EVERYBODY.
9:27:58AM IT'S GOOD WITH DETECTIVE BAKER.
9:28:00AM IT'S GOOD WITH BOB BUCKHORN CALLING AFRICAN WOMEN BLACK
9:28:05AM BITCHES AND GOOD WITH BOB BUCKHORN CALLING FOR THE LYNCHING
9:28:08AM OF AN AFRICAN MAN IN 2018.
9:28:11AM IT'S GOOD WITH CHIEF DUGAN TO SEE AN AFRICAN MAN AND HIS
9:28:16AM WIFE PHYSICALLY ATTACKED BY SOME AGGRESSIVE ANIMUS
9:28:25AM STRANGERS, AND THEN WHAT THEY DO?
9:28:27AM PUT THE CHARGES ON THE BLACK MAN.
9:28:31AM THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
9:28:34AM AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE THEY CAN HAVE A SECRET REPORT.
9:28:38AM IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL SAY WE'RE GOING TO
9:28:40AM DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
9:28:41AM BUT AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED SOMETHING MORE DONE THAN MOTIONS AND
9:28:47AM MOTIONS.
9:28:48AM STOP THAT PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE AND LET'S SEE
9:28:52AM WHAT'S UP WITH THAT AND LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH DIGNITY FOR
9:28:56AM ONCE IN THIS CITY'S HISTORY.
9:28:58AM LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH DIGNITY IN RELATIONSHIP TO AFRICAN
9:29:01AM PEOPLE.
9:29:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:29:03AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:29:04AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
9:29:08AM GINA GRIMES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD HENDERSON.
9:29:11AM I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ITEM 49, WHICH IS JUST AN ITEM YOU'RE
9:29:16AM SETTING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
9:29:17AM I REPRESENT ENTERPRISE RENT-A-CAR.
9:29:20AM AND THEY ARE APPEALING A DECISION OF THE ZONING
9:29:22AM ADMINISTRATOR WITH RESPECT TO A SITE DOWNTOWN.
9:29:24AM AND THE ISSUE IS THAT THE HEARING IS NOT SET TILL SEPTEMBER.
9:29:29AM AND THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE ENTERPRISE IS TRYING TO ENTER
9:29:33AM INTO A LEASE FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY CARDI
9:29:37AM PROPERTIES.
9:29:37AM AND HAVING A THREE-MONTH DEAD PERIOD WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR
9:29:41AM THE HEARING TO BE HEARD OR SET WOULD CREATE MAJOR ISSUES
9:29:47AM WITH RESPECT TO THAT LEASE.
9:29:50AM WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK IF YOU COULD SET IT FOR AN
9:29:53AM EARLIER DATE.
9:29:53AM I KNOW THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD A POLICY OF ONLY TWO REVIEW
9:29:57AM HEARINGS PER COUNCIL MEETING.
9:29:58AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT TO
9:30:03AM CONSIDER REVISING OR UPDATING GIVEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
9:30:08AM THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
9:30:09AM THESE KIND OF PROJECTS NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
9:30:11AM THREE MONTHS IS A LONG TIME TO WAIT FOR A HEARING.
9:30:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:30:16AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:30:18AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A POLICY OF TWO, THIS DOESN'T
9:30:24AM SEEM PARTICULARLY COMPLICATED.
9:30:25AM >> IT'S NOT.
9:30:27AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DOUBT CONTROVERSIAL.
9:30:28AM I HAVE NO PROBLEM MOVING IT UP.
9:30:32AM DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVE DATE?
9:30:35AM >> AUGUST 1.
9:30:36AM MOVE IT UP A MONTH EARLIER.
9:30:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: UNLESS THE CLERK HAS AN OBJECTION TO THAT
9:30:41AM DATE, I WOULD MOVE TO MOVE THIS TO AUGUST 1st.
9:30:44AM 10:30 A.M.
9:30:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:30:47AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:30:49AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:30:50AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:30:50AM THANK YOU.
9:30:52AM >> THANK YOU.
9:30:52AM APPRECIATE IT.
9:30:53AM >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT PLEASE, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:31:03AM >> JOE ROBINSON, SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP.
9:31:07AM I'M BACK.
9:31:08AM YOUR HONEYMOON PERIOD IS OVER.
9:31:10AM I AM NOW HERE TO SAY THAT THE NAACP IS CHECKING ALL
9:31:13AM CONTRACTS, AND WE'RE GONNA BE TRACKING THIS $35 MILLION
9:31:16AM DESIGN-BUILD APPROVED THAT THE CITY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT
9:31:20AM MINORITIES AND DID NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN GUIDELINES.
9:31:22AM IF YOU LOOK REAL QUICK, HERE IS THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ITEM
9:31:26AM 30, EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY PROGRAM.
9:31:28AM DOESN'T SAY MINORITY.
9:31:29AM IT SAYS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
9:31:31AM IT SAYS THE CITY WILL MAKE THIS LIST OF CONTRACTORS
9:31:34AM AVAILABLE, DEMONSTRATE GOOD FAITH.
9:31:36AM WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT ON THIS 35 MILLION, MR. DINGFELDER.
9:31:39AM WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT.
9:31:41AM JOE ROBINSON IS NOW INVESTIGATING.
9:31:43AM IF I FIND ANYTHING CORRUPT, I'LL GO TO THE FBI.
9:31:46AM I'M TELLING YOU STRAIGHT UP.
9:31:47AM FIRST OF ALL, WHY DO WE HAVE ASPIRATIONAL GOALS IF WE HAVE A
9:31:51AM DISPARITY STUDY AND WE KNOW THAT DISCRIMINATION EXISTS IN
9:31:53AM THE CITY OF TAMPA?
9:31:55AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT YOU SAID
9:31:57AM DINGFELDER AND THE FBI IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
9:32:00AM WHEN YOU SAID DINGFELDER AND THE FBI IN THE SAME SENTENCE,
9:32:03AM THAT WAS MERE COINCIDENCE, CORRECT?
9:32:07AM >> NO, I SAID DINGFELDER BECAUSE YOU HAD PULLED IT, BUT IT'S
9:32:10AM NOT BEEN PULLED BACK, AND YOU ARE A STRONG ADVOCATE -- I
9:32:12AM HEARD YOU GUYS DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
9:32:14AM I SAID FBI BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF I FIND PUBLIC
9:32:17AM CORRUPTION, I WILL EXPOSE IT.
9:32:19AM OKAY?
9:32:19AM I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU HAVE BIG CONTRACTS LIKE THIS,
9:32:22AM THERE IS SOME TYPE OF CORRUPTION, KICKBACK, FAVORITISM AND
9:32:26AM ALL OF THAT.
9:32:28AM I WANT IT STOPPED.
9:32:29AM MY CLOCK IS TICKING.
9:32:32AM I BRING TO EXHIBIT C.
9:32:33AM I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THAT YOUR MINORITY BUSINESS DEPARTMENT
9:32:38AM SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH GOALS.
9:32:40AM THEY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE A GOAL.
9:32:42AM THIS IS THE SO-CALLED GUIDELINE HERE.
9:32:44AM THE SO-CALLED PROGRAM PROCEDURES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
9:32:48AM ASPIRATIONAL GOAL JUST MEANS YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IT.
9:32:51AM IF YOU DID A DISPARITY STUDY, YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT.
9:32:55AM EVIDENCE THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE NOT HAD EQUITY OR
9:32:59AM PARITY IN THE SYSTEM SO IT WAS CHANGED YEARS AGO.
9:33:02AM THE OTHER THING, THE MINORITY BUSINESS OFFICE NEEDS TO
9:33:05AM UPDATE THEIR STATEMENTS.
9:33:06AM I'M MEETING WITH MR. GUDES MONDAY AND I WILL EXPLAIN ALL OF
9:33:10AM THIS TO HIM IN PERSON OF WHY WE NEED TO TWEAK THE MINORITY
9:33:14AM BUSINESS DEPARTMENT PROGRAM AND PROCEDURES AND WHAT ELSE
9:33:16AM GOING ON AROUND HERE NONSENSE.
9:33:19AM OKAY.
9:33:19AM I DONE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, I JUST WENT THROUGH
9:33:22AM RECERTIFICATION JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW
9:33:26AM THEY'RE DOING IT AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
9:33:27AM SO I'M NO FRIEND -- I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN REALLY NEED ANY
9:33:32AM WORK AT THE CITY.
9:33:33AM BUT I STAND UP AT THE NAACP.
9:33:35AM YVETTE LOUIS HAS AUTHORIZED ME TO INVESTIGATE EVERY AGENCY
9:33:39AM THERE IS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH MINORITIES,
9:33:41AM SPECIFICALLY AFRICAN AMERICANS, SPECIFICALLY AFRICAN
9:33:43AM AMERICANS WHO ARE NOT GETTING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
9:33:46AM AND IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, WHY DID WE DO A DISPARITY STUDY AND
9:33:50AM WHY DID WE UPDATE THE ORDINANCE AND TRIGGER, IN MY LAST 30
9:33:53AM SECONDS, TRIGGER THE ACTUAL RACE CONSCIOUS PORTION OF IT IN
9:34:00AM CERTAIN AREAS.
9:34:01AM I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
9:34:03AM 35 MILLION DOLLAR, IN WEST TAMPA, MR. CITRO, IN WEST TAMPA.
9:34:07AM SO LIKE I SAID, LET'S MONITOR THIS.
9:34:10AM LET'S TAKE THIS SERIOUS AND LET'S MAKE THIS CONTRACT COMPLY
9:34:15AM AND GET PEOPLE HIRED, ON THE SPOT.
9:34:17AM AND QUIT PLAYING GAMES BECAUSE WE WILL BE TRACKING.
9:34:20AM AND IF NOT, LIKE I SAID, THE FEDS WILL BE AROUND.
9:34:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:34:24AM NEXT PLEASE.
9:34:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:34:29AM ROD HATCH.
9:34:30AM 1013 EAST PATTERSON STREET.
9:34:32AM I UNDERSTAND TODAY YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING AT THE END OF THE
9:34:36AM ITEM NUMBER 73, SKATE RAMPS AND BMS STRUCTURES TODAY.
9:34:39AM I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING WHEN HAVING THIS
9:34:42AM DISCUSSION.
9:34:42AM THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NUMEROUS ORDINANCES REGARDING SPECIFIC
9:34:46AM ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
9:34:48AM ONE SUCH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT EXCEEDS
9:34:51AM THE STANDARD SETBACK OF THREE FEET AND REQUIRES A FIVE FOOT
9:34:55AM SETBACK.
9:34:55AM THIS SAME ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ALSO REQUIRES THAT IF THIS
9:34:59AM STRUCTURE IS AN IN-GROUND VERSION IT MAY NOT HAVE A DECK
9:35:02AM AROUND IT HIGHER THAN 12 INCHES ABOVE THE EXISTING GRADE.
9:35:05AM IF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS AN ABOVEGROUND VERSION IT MAY
9:35:10AM NOT HAVE A DECK AROUND IT HIGHER THAN 36 INCHES ABOVE THE
9:35:14AM EXISTING GRADE.
9:35:15AM THESE ORDINANCES ARE MEANT TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY VALUES OF
9:35:18AM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
9:35:20AM MY NEIGHBOR HAS BUILT, WHAT THE CITY ALSO DEEMED AN
9:35:28AM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON HIS PROPERTY THAT HAS AN ELEVATION
9:35:31AM THREE FEET HIGHER THAN MINE, 700 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITH
9:35:35AM FIVE-FOOT HIGH DECK AND TOTAL HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET HIGH TO
9:35:38AM THE RAIL.
9:35:39AM YET THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NO ORDINANCES PROTECTING THE
9:35:43AM PROPERTY VALUES AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF ADJACENT
9:35:46AM PROPERTIES.
9:35:46AM TAMPA NEEDS TO ADOPT ORDINANCES ADDRESSING THESE SKATE BMX
9:35:52AM RAMPS IMMEDIATELY.
9:35:53AM ORDINANCES SUCH AS 50-FOOT FROM AN OCCUPIED RESIDENCE.
9:36:00AM MINIMUM SETBACK OF 10 FEET ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ONE FOOT FOR
9:36:03AM EACH FOOT HIGHER IN TOTAL HEIGHT OVER 36 INCHES.
9:36:07AM THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS 15 FEET HIGH.
9:36:10AM WE NEED TO PUT SOME FAIL-SAFES IN THERE.
9:36:13AM THE SETBACK MUST ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ELEVATION
9:36:16AM OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
9:36:17AM FOR INSTANCE, IF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, 36 INCHES LOWER,
9:36:22AM 36 INCHES NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF
9:36:26AM THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
9:36:28AM IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS TO PLACE A
9:36:32AM MORATORIUM ON THESE STRUCTURES OF ANY OPEN PERMIT CURRENTLY
9:36:38AM APPLIED.
9:36:38AM MY NEIGHBOR HAS REBUILT HIS HALF PIPE ONCE AGAIN, INVADING
9:36:42AM MY PRIVACY, DECREASING THE MARKETABILITY OF MY HOME AND
9:36:46AM CONTINUING TO DAMAGE MY PROPERTY AS HIS RAINWATER RUNOFF
9:36:50AM FROM THE STRUCTURE DEGRADES HIS RETAINING WALL FORCING MY
9:36:54AM NINE-FOOT FENCE TO LEAN.
9:36:56AM HE HAS NOT YET HAD HIS FINAL INSPECTION, BUT THIS STRUCTURE
9:37:00AM CANNOT BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
9:37:01AM 30 MORE SECONDS.
9:37:02AM MY NEIGHBOR WITH THE SKATE RAMP HAS BEEN TRAVELING FOR
9:37:05AM BUSINESS THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND HAS BEEN HAVING SOMEONE LET
9:37:08AM HIS DOG OUT.
9:37:09AM YESTERDAY AT APPROXIMATELY 9:30 A.M., THIS INDIVIDUAL
9:37:11AM LETTING THE DOG OUT WAS STANDING ON THE DECK OF THE
9:37:13AM STRUCTURE WAVING AT ME, LOOKING DIRECTLY IN MY WINDOW.
9:37:16AM OF MY HOME OVER MY NINE-FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCING TAUNTING
9:37:22AM ME.
9:37:23AM HE THEN SKATED AND I RECORDED DECIBELS AS HIGH AS 73.
9:37:28AM I CALLED THE POLICE AND FILED ANOTHER REPORT.
9:37:30AM THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
9:37:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:37:32AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:37:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:37:47AM MY NAME IS JOHN MALL.
9:37:50AM I'M A WATER HARVESTING HOMESTEADER, 4104 NORTH GLEN AVENUE,
9:37:58AM TAMPA, FLORIDA.
9:38:00AM I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MITIGATION CREDIT FOR STORMWATER.
9:38:05AM I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET.
9:38:08AM I'VE BEEN STONEWALLED SINCE 2015 WHEN THE CITY WENT OUT AND
9:38:16AM GOT A $250 MILLION BOND.
9:38:25AM I'VE TAKEN THIS TO HEART.
9:38:31AM I WENT TO HOW TO REDUCE STORMWATER AT YOUR HOME.
9:38:34AM THEY GAVE ME 12 WAYS TO DO IT.
9:38:37AM I WISH I HAD DONE ALL 12 OF THEM, SO THERE'S NO RUNOFF FROM
9:38:41AM MY PROPERTY AT ALL, YET THE CITY REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
9:38:46AM I DON'T USE ANY CITY WATER AT ALL.
9:38:50AM YOU CAN SEE I'M ZEROED OUT.
9:38:55AM I DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE WATER FROM THE CITY BECAUSE I USE
9:38:57AM THE RAINWATER THAT I COLLECT.
9:38:59AM I COLLECT ABOUT 500,000 GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR THAT I LET
9:39:13AM PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND OR STORE IT IN MY CISTERN.
9:39:19AM I GOT A LETTER FROM JOE GRECO.
9:39:23AM I CAN JUST READ IT.
9:39:24AM THERE ARE APPARENTLY FOUR TIERS YOU HAVE NOW.
9:39:29AM SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, AND EXTRA LARGE FOR CALCULATING HOW
9:39:34AM MUCH YOU CHARGE PEOPLE FOR RUNOFF.
9:39:38AM BUT THERE IS NO TIER FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS HARVESTED ALL THE
9:39:45AM RAINWATER AND DOESN'T HAVE THE RUNOFF AT ALL EXCEPT WITH
9:39:50AM MITIGATION OF 100% AND THAT SEEMS TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO
9:39:54AM ACHIEVE WITH THE CITY.
9:39:55AM THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WAS REFERRED TO JAN McLEAN,
9:40:00AM AND IN FOLLOW-UP MEETING BETWEEN YOUR CLIENTS, THE CITY
9:40:04AM STAFF LAST WEEK, THE CITY ACCEPTS THE SUBMITTAL OF THE
9:40:08AM ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED AS SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE
9:40:10AM LAST REQUEST FROM MR. AND MRS. MALL FOR MITIGATION CREDIT.
9:40:14AM AS WAS DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING, THE CITY DOES NOT AGREE
9:40:21AM THAT THE ITEMS THAT MR. MALL HAS INSTALLED ON HIS PROPERTY
9:40:21AM WOULD PROVIDE THE NECESSARY RETENTION OF STORM EVENT.
9:40:24AM THIS IS ONE OF MY WATER HARVESTING DEVICES.
9:40:32AM I SET THAT IN THE YARD, AND THE RAIN GOES IN THERE.
9:40:35AM I LOOK IN THERE AND SEE HOW MUCH -- HOW DOES WATER GET OUT
9:40:39AM OF HERE AND FLOW INTO THE STREET?
9:40:40AM I BET I CAN'T GET THE CITY TO SAY THAT THE WATER WON'T COME
9:40:45AM OUT OF HERE, FLOW UPHILL, AND GO INTO THE STREET.
9:40:48AM IT'S CONTAINED.
9:40:50AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:40:51AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:40:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:40:53AM BY COINCIDENCE, I WAS MEETING WITH MS. McLEAN YESTERDAY
9:41:00AM AND SHE AND I DISCUSSED YOUR SITUATION.
9:41:04AM SO YOU HAD AN IMPACT.
9:41:06AM >> I'M TRYING.
9:41:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, YES, SIR.
9:41:08AM AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT
9:41:10AM INTO REDUCING THE STORMWATER IN THE AREA THAT YOU LIVE.
9:41:17AM PERHAPS IF EVERYBODY DID THAT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND AS
9:41:20AM MUCH TOTAL MONEY AS WE DO.
9:41:24AM MAYBE YOU COULD SEND SOME OF THAT WATER BACK INTO THE
9:41:26AM RESERVOIR AND WE CAN CURE SOME OTHER PROBLEMS.
9:41:30AM ANYWAY, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK
9:41:35AM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND MS. McLEAN AND THE CITY
9:41:38AM STORMWATER STAFF TO CAREFULLY REVIEW YOUR SITUATION, MEET
9:41:43AM WITH YOU AGAIN, MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS THEY CAN TO YOU.
9:41:49AM IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE SATISFYING THE EXCEPTION,
9:41:52AM THEN THEY NEED TO SPELL OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO SATISFY
9:41:56AM THE EXCEPTION.
9:41:57AM PERHAPS NOT HAVE YOU CHASING YOUR TAIL, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE
9:42:03AM YOU'RE CHASING YOUR TAIL A BIT.
9:42:07AM >> I'M SAVING RAINWATER.
9:42:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
9:42:12AM I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REVISIT THIS, IF
9:42:18AM POSSIBLE, MEET WITH YOU AGAIN, AND COME BACK AND REPORT TO
9:42:21AM US PERHAPS IN JULY.
9:42:27AM WHAT WOULD THE DATE BE?
9:42:28AM JULY 18th, SAME TIME.
9:42:34AM >> I INVITE YOU ALL TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT
9:42:38AM WATER HARVESTING CAN DO.
9:42:41AM I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL RAIN GARDEN OUT THERE JUST USING
9:42:44AM RAINWATER, IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT AND TAKE A
9:42:47AM LOOK.
9:42:47AM I'LL SHOW YOU AROUND.
9:42:49AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
9:42:49AM SO THE MOTION IS TO COME BACK JULY 18th AT WHAT TIME,
9:42:54AM MR. SHELBY?
9:42:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: STAFF REPORTS.
9:42:57AM DURING STAFF REPORT.
9:43:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. McLEAN, WE DO HAVE A LONG AGENDA
9:43:04AM THIS MORNING SO I DON'T WANT TO GET WRAPPED UP INTO THIS
9:43:07AM TODAY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, JUST COME BACK AND TELL US
9:43:10AM WHAT'S UP.
9:43:11AM THANK YOU.
9:43:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:43:15AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:43:17AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:43:18AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:43:19AM ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:43:26AM >> GOOD MORNING, PATRICIA MALIN.
9:43:27AM 4104 GLEN AVENUE.
9:43:31AM I HADN'T INTENDED TO SPEAK THIS MORNING, BUT THEN WHEN
9:43:34AM YOU'RE RECOGNIZING SAM GIBBONS, WHO WAS CERTAINLY A VALUE TO
9:43:39AM OUR COMMUNITY AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WE HONORED THIS
9:43:43AM MORNING FOR THE MEN WHO WENT ON -- WHO DIED ON D-DAY, I
9:43:53AM WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME OTHER NAMES TO HONOR.
9:44:00AM THEY ARE THE MEN WHO STAYED BEHIND IN TAMPA AND BUILT THE
9:44:05AM SHIPS, LIKE MY FATHER, HUGH HAMPTON BURKE AND HIS BROTHER
9:44:13AM JAMES BURKE.
9:44:13AM THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF MEN IN TAMPA WHO WERE BUILDING THE
9:44:17AM SHIPS THAT ALLOWED THE MEN TO GET TO THE BEACHES ON D-DAY.
9:44:23AM SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HONOR THEM TODAY.
9:44:25AM THANK YOU.
9:44:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: WELL SAID.
9:44:28AM ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:44:30AM OKAY.
9:44:30AM I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, IF I MAY, WE HAVE THE
9:44:33AM MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS HERE.
9:44:36AM WE ALWAYS HAVE THE NICE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN COME FORWARD AND
9:44:44AM BRIEFLY STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO.
9:44:47AM WHY DON'T YOU COME FORWARD, AS IS OUR TRADITION AND LOVE TO
9:44:49AM HEAR FROM YOU GUYS AS TO WHAT YOUR NAME IS AND THE SCHOOL
9:44:53AM YOU'RE FROM.
9:44:58AM >> JAKE NAIR, RISING SENIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
9:45:02AM >> HI.
9:45:03AM ARLEY REUBIN.
9:45:05AM RISING SOPHOMORE AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:08AM >> ALEX REUBIN.
9:45:11AM I'M A RISING SENIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:14AM >> HI.
9:45:15AM I'M ISABEL MACHATO.
9:45:18AM RISING SOPHOMORE AT THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES.
9:45:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:23AM I'M BLAIR BRADDOCK, A RISING JUNIOR AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:29AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:30AM I'M ELIZABETH PAPARRO, A RISING JUNIOR AT THE ACADEMY OF THE
9:45:34AM HOLY NAMES.
9:45:36AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:36AM I'M NUDANE.
9:45:39AM A RISING JUNIOR AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:42AM I'M GABBY JONES.
9:45:44AM I'M A RISING SOPHOMORE AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:50AM MY NAME IS AIYANA.
9:45:51AM I'M A RISING SENIOR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:56AM MY NAME IS SARAH JENKINS.
9:45:58AM I'M A RISING SENIOR.
9:46:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:46:04AM I AM NATALIE MEDINA.
9:46:06AM A RISING SOPHOMORE AT BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:46:11AM MY NAME IS CHRIS DIRKS.
9:46:14AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:17AM >> HELLO.
9:46:19AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:23AM >> HI.
9:46:25AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT BROOKS DeBARTOLO.
9:46:28AM >> HI.
9:46:29AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
9:46:34AM >> HI.
9:46:34AM JORDAN.
9:46:35AM I'M A RISING SENIOR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:39AM >> HELLO.
9:46:40AM GOOD MORNING.
9:46:40AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT CHAMBERLAIN HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:46:47AM I'M A RISING SENIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:50AM MY NAME IS ANTHONY.
9:46:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:46:56AM MY NAME IS JEWELS ENGLISH.
9:46:58AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:00AM >> HI.
9:47:02AM ANA CHANG, RISING SENIOR AT KING HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:08AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
9:47:12AM >> HELLO.
9:47:14AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:18AM MY NAME IS ANEESHA.
9:47:21AM RISING JUNIOR.
9:47:24AM >> HELLO.
9:47:25AM JACK.
9:47:26AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:30AM MY NAME IS AIDEN BENNETT.
9:47:32AM I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:34AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:37AM MY NAME IS SKY.
9:47:38AM I'M A RISING SENIOR AT BROOKS DeBARTOLO.
9:47:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:47:43AM MY NAME IS LAUREN MIRANDA.
9:47:44AM I'M GOING TO BE A JUNIOR AT BROOKS DeBARTOLO.
9:47:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:47:48AM ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
9:47:53AM >> [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
9:47:56AM FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME.
9:47:57AM I'M PROUD TO SAY THREE JEFFERSONIANS.
9:48:01AM GO DRAGONS.
9:48:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCIL?
9:48:04AM THANK YOU.
9:48:05AM THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
9:48:06AM THIS IS AN INVALUABLE EXPERIENCE, AND CHOOSE WISELY WHAT YOU
9:48:11AM DO IN YOUR FORTHCOMING YEARS.
9:48:13AM THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
9:48:14AM NEXT, ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR
9:48:18AM RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
9:48:19AM THERE BEING NONE, WE MOVE ONWARD TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
9:48:24AM IF I'M CORRECT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ONLY ITEMS WE
9:48:26AM HAVE PULLED SO FAR ARE 40 AND 43, IS THAT CORRECT?
9:48:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, YES.
9:48:36AM UP UNTIL YESTERDAY I STILL HAD QUESTIONS ON VARIOUS OTHER
9:48:38AM ITEMS.
9:48:39AM I APPRECIATE YOU INCLUDING THOSE, BUT, YEAH, I'D STILL LIKE
9:48:44AM REMAINING TO PULL 40 AND 43.
9:48:47AM THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING 67, 68, AND 69 ARE ALREADY GOING
9:48:51AM TO BE STAFF REPORTS ANYWAY.
9:48:53AM SO NO NEED TO PULL THOSE.
9:48:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:48:56AM WE'LL OMIT THOSE.
9:48:58AM FIRST, WE MOVE TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, MR. CITRO.
9:49:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:49:03AM LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 3 THROUGH 5.
9:49:08AM >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIR, DO YOU WISH TO DO ITEM NUMBER 2?
9:49:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S HOLD ON THAT.
9:49:17AM WE HAVE NUMBER 2, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU COULD TAKE
9:49:22AM THAT ONE, SIR.
9:49:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE
9:49:26AM NUMBER 2019-48, ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
9:49:31AM TAMPA ON MARCH 21, 2019 TO CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR,
9:49:35AM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
9:49:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:49:40AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:49:42AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:49:43AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:49:45AM >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIR, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE
9:49:48AM HELD ON JUNE 27th, 2019 AT 9:30 A.M.
9:49:53AM AND MR. CARLSON WAS ABSENT.
9:49:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:49:56AM OKAY, NOW WE MOVE TO COMMITTEES, MR. CITRO.
9:49:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:50:01AM I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 3 THROUGH 5.
9:50:03AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:50:07AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:50:09AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:50:10AM ANY OPPOSED.
9:50:10AM NEXT, PARKS, RECREATION, CULTURAL COMMITTEE.
9:50:13AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:50:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 6 THROUGH 8.
9:50:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:50:19AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:50:21AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:50:22AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:50:22AM NEXT, PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:50:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:50:28AM I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ON ITEM 10, WHICH IS A
9:50:32AM SINGLE-SOURCE, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ONE, MR. CARLSON POINTED
9:50:38AM OUT, WE SHOULD GIVE GOOD SCRUTINY TO SINGLE SOURCES, AND I'M
9:50:42AM SURE WE ALL AGREE.
9:50:43AM $742,000 FOR LIQUID COPPER SULFATE.
9:50:47AM AS ALL OF OUR YOUNG STUDENTS HERE, MANY OF WHICH HAVE TAKEN
9:50:50AM CHEMISTRY, WE USE THE COPPER SULFATE TO PUT IT INTO THE
9:50:54AM RESERVOIR AND IT DROPS OUT SOME OF THE SOLIDS SO IT MAKES
9:50:58AM THE WATER CLEANER AS IT GOES INTO THE PROCESS.
9:51:01AM ANYWAY, MY QUESTION TO OUR STAFF WAS, WHY IS COPPER SULFATE
9:51:05AM A SINGLE SOURCE?
9:51:07AM IT'S JUST A CHEMICAL.
9:51:10AM BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS SOME SORT OF PROPRIETARY SPECIAL
9:51:13AM TYPE OF COPPER SULFATE WE USE THAT MAKES THE PROCESS MORE
9:51:17AM EFFICIENT AND THE CHEMISTS CAME AND EXPLAINED THAT TO ME
9:51:20AM YESTERDAY.
9:51:20AM I'M SATISFIED.
9:51:22AM WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE ITEMS 9 THROUGH 13.
9:51:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:51:26AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:51:28AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:51:30AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:51:31AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:51:32AM OKAY.
9:51:33AM NEXT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:51:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK ITEM 15 WAS PULLED
9:51:38AM BY MR. DINGFELDER, AM I CORRECT?
9:51:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PREVIOUSLY.
9:51:41AM I'VE WAIVED THAT NOW.
9:51:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALL RIGHT.
9:51:43AM WE MOVE ITEMS 14 THROUGH 17.
9:51:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:51:47AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:51:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:51:50AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:51:51AM OKAY.
9:51:53AM AND THEN NEXT WE WILL GO TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR
9:51:56AM BUILDING, ZONING AND PRESERVATION COMMITTEE.
9:51:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:51:59AM I MOVE ITEMS 18 THROUGH 39.
9:52:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:52:04AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:52:06AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:52:07AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:52:07AM OKAY.
9:52:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT WITH THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTIONS,
9:52:14AM MADAM CLERK, 35, 36, 37?
9:52:17AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
9:52:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON THE ATTACHMENTS.
9:52:20AM THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION THEN.
9:52:22AM THANK YOU.
9:52:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT, WE MOVE TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR
9:52:24AM TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
9:52:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:52:27AM I MOVE ITEMS 41 AND 42 SINCE 40 AND 43 WERE PULLED.
9:52:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:52:32AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:52:34AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:52:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:52:37AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:52:37AM OKAY.
9:52:39AM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEMS BEING SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING BY
9:52:42AM COUNCIL TO ITEM 44, DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR 44 THROUGH
9:52:47AM 48?
9:52:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION TO SET THE PUBLIC
9:52:50AM HEARING FOR AUGUST 22, 9:30 A.M.
9:52:53AM >>LUIS VIERA: IS THAT FOR ITEMS UP TO 48, I ASSUME.
9:52:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THEREFORE, I'D LIKE TO CORRECT THAT
9:52:58AM AND MOVE ITEMS 44 THROUGH 49, BUT I BELIEVE -- WAIT A
9:53:03AM MINUTE, MS. GRIMES -- 49 ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.
9:53:07AM I MOVE ITEMS 44 THROUGH 48, RESOLUTIONS TO SET THE PUBLIC
9:53:11AM HEARINGS.
9:53:11AM I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALL ON THE SAME DATE, AUGUST 22, 2019,
9:53:15AM 9:30 A.M.
9:53:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:53:16AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:53:18AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:53:19AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:53:20AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:53:21AM OKAY, NEXT MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR 9:30.
9:53:29AM >> MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
9:53:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
9:53:32AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO?
9:53:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:53:35AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:53:36AM WE MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM 50.
9:53:45AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
9:53:46AM I'M RON VILA.
9:53:47AM I'M STAFF OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
9:53:53AM THIS MORNING, WE ARE REVIEWING AN AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION
9:53:56AM FOR THE ADDRESS OF 1915 AVENIDA REPUBLICA DE CUBA, WHICH IS
9:54:00AM LOCATED WITHIN THE YBOR CITY LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS
9:54:03AM CURRENTLY OWNED BY YBOR VARADERO, LLC.
9:54:16AM THIS IS A CURRENT PHOTO THAT WE HAVE HERE.
9:54:17AM SO THE STRUCTURE ON THE CORNER OF 9TH AVENUE AND AVENIDA
9:54:17AM REPUBLICA DE CUBA.
9:54:17AM THIS BUILDING HAD A PRIOR LIFE.
9:54:18AM LITTLE HISTORY ON THE BUILDING.
9:54:22AM IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1895.
9:54:25AM IT WAS KNOWN AT THAT TIME AS LaCASA MANARA.
9:54:30AM THEN IT CHANGED THE NAME IN THE '30s TO GONZALEZ CLINIC.
9:54:34AM THEN AFTER THAT MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS THE DON VICENTE
9:54:38AM HISTORIC HOTEL.
9:54:39AM TWO-STORY BUILDING WITH TWIN BALCONIES AND AWNINGS THAT
9:54:43AM PROJECT FROM THE FRONT FACADE IN THE EARLY 1900s PHOTO.
9:54:47AM WHILE OPERATING AS CASA MANARA, THE BUILDING HOUSED ON THE
9:54:53AM GROUND FLOOR A DRUGSTORE AND FURNITURE STORE AS WELL AND
9:54:55AM THEN RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.
9:54:58AM WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT MAPS AND HISTORIC
9:55:03AM DOCUMENTATION.
9:55:03AM THIS IS FROM THE SANBORN MAP.
9:55:06AM THIS IS SHOWING THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
9:55:09AM IT HAS A WRAPAROUND BALCONY THAT RELATES BACK TO THIS
9:55:13AM EARLIER PHOTO.
9:55:14AM AND THEN IT HAS THE USES AS WELL.
9:55:16AM WE KNOW IT HAD A FURNITURE STORE, DRUGSTORE AND THEN
9:55:20AM RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.
9:55:20AM THE BUILDING FIRST BECAME A HOSPITAL IN 1903.
9:55:29AM AFTER 1903, THE BUILDING TOOK ON SOME RENOVATIONS.
9:55:35AM THIS IS FROM THE '70s A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC IN THE
9:55:43AM EXTERIOR WAS LOST.
9:55:45AM 1939, IT BECAME THE GONZALEZ CLINIC.
9:55:48AM BY PAYING A SMALL WEEKLY FEE, MEMBERS RECEIVED MEDICAL
9:55:51AM TREATMENT.
9:55:52AM THE CLINIC HAD A LONG ASSOCIATION WITH THE CUBAN CLUB AND
9:55:56AM STILL IN EXISTENCE UNTIL 1973.
9:55:57AM AND THEN IN 1999, THE BUILDING BECAME A BOUTIQUE HOTEL,
9:56:02AM WHICH WAS THE DON VICENTE INN AND CONTINUED INTO 2005 UNTIL
9:56:08AM THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE IT UNDER OWNERSHIP NOW.
9:56:10AM NOW IT'S A SECURITY FIRM TAKES UP MOST OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE
9:56:16AM IN THE INSIDE.
9:56:17AM THIS IS MOVING TO THE AD VALOREM.
9:56:19AM THIS IS PRIOR TO REHABILITATION.
9:56:22AM THE BUILDING WAS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
9:56:24AM THERE WAS WATER INTRUSION AND CRACKS IN THE STUCCO IN THE
9:56:27AM EXTERIOR.
9:56:28AM THIS IS AFTER REHABILITATION.
9:56:32AM THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING STAYED THE SAME.
9:56:34AM THEY TIGHTENED UP THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WITH THE
9:56:37AM STUCCO AND THE WINDOWS, MOVING TO THE REAR ELEVATION, PRETTY
9:56:42AM MUCH THE SAME.
9:56:43AM THE BUILDING HAD MINOR DEFICIENCIES, AND THROUGH THE
9:56:46AM REHABILITATION TO RECEIVE THE AD VALOREM ONCE AGAIN, THE
9:56:53AM BACK HAD SOME ATTENTION TO DETAIL TO IT.
9:56:56AM STOPPED THE WATER INTRUSION, INCORPORATED A LIFT IN THE REAR
9:57:00AM FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY.
9:57:02AM YOU SEE THE HANDICAP SPOTS IN THE REAR OFF THE SURFACE
9:57:06AM PARKING.
9:57:07AM MOVING TO THE REAR AREA AS WELL, THERE WAS JUST A CONCRETE
9:57:14AM DECK AS YOU WOULD ENTER INTO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
9:57:17AM THE NEW OWNERS INCORPORATED A CUBAN TILE THAT WOULD BE
9:57:22AM PERIOD APPROPRIATE TO THIS STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
9:57:25AM AND THEN LASTLY ON THE EXTERIOR, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE
9:57:34AM LOWER PORTION, THE INCORPORATION OF WINDOWS FOR THE INTERNAL
9:57:37AM CIRCULATION IN THE FLOOR PLAN.
9:57:39AM SO THEY BROUGHT IN WINDOWS TO MATCH THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT
9:57:43AM WERE THERE.
9:57:44AM INTRODUCE THE SILL, SO IT IS A SEAMLESS ADDITION TO THE
9:57:48AM STRUCTURE IN HAND.
9:57:49AM MOVING TO THE INTERIOR, IT HAS A GRAND SPACE WITH HIGH
9:57:55AM CEILINGS INSIDE.
9:57:57AM IT HAS THE CEREMONIAL STAIRS, AND THEN YOU SEE THE CONDITION
9:58:00AM OF THE WOOD FLOORING.
9:58:01AM THE WOOD FLOORING WAS KEPT.
9:58:05AM INTRODUCTION OF MORE PERIOD-APPROPRIATE LIGHTING, THE
9:58:08AM SCHOOLHOUSE LIGHTING.
9:58:09AM THE WAINSCOTTING WAS LEFT AS WELL.
9:58:11AM HERE YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS THAT WERE IN PLACE.
9:58:18AM THEY WERE CLEANED AND REUSED.
9:58:23AM ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SOME OF THE DETERIORATION UPON TAKING
9:58:29AM THIS JOB TO MOVE FORWARD.
9:58:31AM WITH THE LOWER WAINSCOTTING AFTER REHABILITATION.
9:58:38AM THIS IS THE STAIRS LEADING DOWN TO THE BASEMENT.
9:58:41AM AND INCORPORATING SOME SENSITIVITY AND SOME GUILDING ON THE
9:58:48AM RAILINGS.
9:58:49AM AND THEN LASTLY, JUST TO CONCLUDE WITH SOME SHOTS ON THE
9:58:53AM UPPER FLOOR.
9:58:55AM THESE WERE MULTIPLE ROOMS FOR THE HOTEL WHERE THE DEMISING
9:58:59AM WALLS WERE REMOVED TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND FOR THE
9:59:06AM EMPLOYEES TO GATHER.
9:59:07AM THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE ROOMS THAT SHOW THE FRENCH DOORS
9:59:09AM LEADING OUT TO THE JULIET BALCONIES AND THE TRIM AROUND
9:59:13AM THERE.
9:59:14AM THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR
9:59:17AM STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
9:59:20AM AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.
9:59:22AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
9:59:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
9:59:27AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:59:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, JUST A COMMENT.
9:59:30AM AND THIS IS COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.
9:59:33AM I KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO HAUNTED PLACES IN
9:59:38AM TAMPA.
9:59:38AM I NEVER HAD REALLY ANY EXPERIENCES LIKE IN THE TAMPA THEATRE
9:59:41AM OR THE CUBAN CLUB, THE TRADITIONAL PLACES.
9:59:42AM I WENT INTO THE BASEMENT OF THIS BUILDING ABOUT TEN YEARS
9:59:45AM AGO.
9:59:45AM I TAKE A LOT OF PICTURES.
9:59:46AM I'VE PROBABLY TAKEN 50,000 PICTURES IN MY LIFE.
9:59:49AM I TOOK A BUNCH OF PICTURES IN THE BASEMENT, COMPLETELY
9:59:53AM EMPTY.
9:59:53AM THERE ARE ORBS.
9:59:56AM THERE'S WEIRD STUFF IN ALL OF THE PHOTOS.
9:59:58AM MY FRIENDS HAVE STAYED THERE.
10:00:00AM WEIRD THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
10:00:01AM JUST THIS MORNING ON my Facebook, A LADY POSTED A PICTURE
10:00:05AM OF HER HUSBAND STANDING IN THE STAIRCASE, AND IN THE MIRROR,
10:00:07AM THERE IS A PICTURE OF A LADY IN LIKE VICTORIAN ERA CLOTHES.
10:00:11AM REALLY WEIRD, SO IF YOU'RE INTO THAT STUFF, GO TO THE
10:00:13AM BASEMENT.
10:00:13AM I THINK IT USED TO BE THE MORGUE.
10:00:17AM PAUL GUZZO WITH THE TIMES KNOWS THE STORY, I THINK.
10:00:19AM IT USED TO BE THE CREMATORIUM DOWNSTAIRS, AND THERE WERE
10:00:23AM MURDERS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
10:00:23AM IT IS A CREEPY PLACE.
10:00:25AM I LOVE THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF DOWN THERE.
10:00:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND THEN COUNCILMAN
10:00:33AM MIRANDA.
10:00:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS THEY SAID IN GHOSTBUSTERS, "WE'RE HERE
10:00:37AM TO BELIEVE YOU."
10:00:38AM MR. VILA, JUST FOR THE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AS RELATED TO ALL
10:00:44AM THESE PROGRAMS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THESE FOLKS HAVE DONE A
10:00:48AM FINE JOB.
10:00:49AM THE PRIOR OWNERS DID A GOOD JOB OF GETTING IT CLOSE AND
10:00:52AM THESE FOLKS TOOK IT OVER THE GOAL LINE.
10:00:55AM BUT IN REGARD TO THE PROGRAM ITSELF, IT IS A TAX EXEMPTION,
10:01:00AM HOW LONG DOES THAT EXEMPTION LAST?
10:01:02AM IS THAT JUST FOR LOCAL TAXES OR DOES THAT ALSO HELP THEM
10:01:05AM WITH THEIR FEDERAL TAXES?
10:01:10AM >> IT'S A DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
10:01:11AM THE AD VALOREM IS A LOCAL TAX.
10:01:11AM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER GOES OUT THERE PRIOR TO
10:01:14AM REHABILITATION AND WHATEVER THE ASSESSMENT OF THE STRUCTURE
10:01:16AM IS AT THAT TIME IS THE NUMBER THAT'S AFFIXED TO THE
10:01:20AM STRUCTURE.
10:01:20AM AFTER REHABILITATION, IT STAYS THE SAME, AND IT IS A
10:01:22AM TEN-YEAR WINDOW THAT THEY SAVE ON THE EXEMPTION.
10:01:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT IS A NICE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FOR ANY
10:01:29AM PROPERTY OWNER TO GO INTO THIS PROGRAM.
10:01:32AM >> AS I STATED, IT IS A PRESERVATION TOOL.
10:01:34AM IT'S AN ELECTIVE PROGRAM.
10:01:36AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENGAGE INTO IT.
10:01:37AM BUT IF YOU ENGAGE INTO THE PROGRAM, THEN WE LOOK AT THE
10:01:41AM EXTERIOR AND THE INTERIOR AND WE USE THE SECRETARY OF
10:01:44AM INTERIOR STANDARDS TO REVIEW THE PROGRAM.
10:01:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEN I WOULD IMAGINE, YOU MENTION IT'S
10:01:48AM ANOTHER PROGRAM WOULD BE THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS AND THE TAX
10:01:52AM CREDITS.
10:01:53AM BUT DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK WOULD GET THEM WELL ON THEIR WAY
10:01:56AM TO THE FEDERAL PROGRAM AS WELL.
10:01:59AM >> THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT, YES, SIR.
10:02:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING, I WANT TO
10:02:03AM ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO BOTH THE LOCAL AND THE FEDERAL PROGRAM.
10:02:06AM THANK YOU, RON.
10:02:07AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:02:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:02:10AM AS MR. MANISCALCO WAS SPEAKING, THIS BUILDING, FURNITURE
10:02:17AM STORE, RENTAL PROPERTY, HOTEL, HOSPITAL IN 1939, SOMETIMES
10:02:24AM YOU WONDER WHERE YOU COME FROM AND YOUR GENETICS, ABOUT YOUR
10:02:28AM PARENTS, HOW YOU MAKE UP YOUR PERSONALITIES.
10:02:30AM AFTER HE SAID ALL THAT I STARTED THINKING, I WAS BORN IN
10:02:33AM THAT HOSPITAL.
10:02:34AM NOW I GUESS -- THERE'S WHERE I GET MY PERSONALITY FROM.
10:02:40AM I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS A GREAT PLACE.
10:02:42AM THIS WAS PART OF WHAT THEY CALL NOW THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT,
10:02:45AM BETTER KNOWN AS OBAMA.
10:02:51AM HE'S DONE GOOD, HE WANTS TO TEAR DOWN.
10:02:54AM IT WAS CALLED MUTUAL AID SOCIETY.
10:03:00AM YOU PAID A SMALL WEEKLY FEE AND FROM BIRTH TO DEATH, THEY
10:03:03AM TOOK CARE OF YOU.
10:03:04AM YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
10:03:08AM THE DOCTOR CAME TO SEE YOU AT THE HOUSE.
10:03:10AM THREE OR FOUR DOCTORS ON CALL.
10:03:12AM YOU CALLED IN AND THEY WENT TO VISIT YOU AND THEY GIVE YOU A
10:03:15AM PRESCRIPTION.
10:03:15AM YOU TOOK IT DOWN TO THE DRUGSTORE, WHICH WAS ON THE SOUTH
10:03:18AM SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND YOU WENT IN.
10:03:20AM THE AREA THAT MR. MANISCALCO IS TALKING ABOUT, THE STAIRS
10:03:23AM GOING DOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE IS WHERE YOU TOOK OUT -- THEY
10:03:26AM HAD THE RESOURCES TO TAKE OUT YOUR BLOOD AND ANALYZE WHAT
10:03:28AM YOU HAD WRONG.
10:03:29AM AND ON THE RIGHT, I NEVER WENT IN, MAYBE HE WENT IN WHERE
10:03:32AM THE MORGUE WAS.
10:03:34AM NOW I KNOW WHERE HE GOT HIS PERSONALITY AT.
10:03:37AM I'M ONLY JOKING, MY FRIEND.
10:03:40AM ANYWAY, IT'S A GREAT LIFE.
10:03:42AM WE INVENTED MEDICARE, AND WE INVENTED THE LOTTERY WHEN I WAS
10:03:46AM A YOUNG BOY IN YBOR CITY.
10:03:48AM HOWEVER, IT WAS CALLED BOLITA, WHICH WAS ILLEGAL AT THE
10:03:52AM TIME.
10:03:53AM THE GOVERNMENT TAKES IT OVER, IT'S LEGAL BECAUSE THEY MAKE
10:03:55AM THE MONEY NOW.
10:03:56AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:03:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:03:59AM ANYONE ELSE?
10:04:00AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:04:01AM ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM 50?
10:04:04AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:04:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:04:08AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:04:09AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:04:10AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:04:11AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM NUMBER 50.
10:04:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 50, AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
10:04:20AM READING AND ADOPTION.
10:04:21AM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
10:04:24AM EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
10:04:27AM RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
10:04:31AM YBOR VARADERO, LLC, LOCATED AT 1915 NORTH AVENIDA REPUBLICA
10:04:40AM DE CUBA, TAMPA, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
10:04:43AM PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
10:04:50AM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:04:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
10:04:54AM MR. MANISCALCO.
10:04:55AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:05:04AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
10:05:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:05:05AM NEXT WE MOVE ON WARD TO ITEM 51, IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR ITEM
10:05:10AM 51.
10:05:10AM >>REBECCA KERT: ITEM 51 IS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR ON A
10:05:15AM PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AD VALOREM.
10:05:17AM EXHIBIT A WAS A LEGAL DESCRIPTION ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY,
10:05:20AM AND THAT EXHIBIT WAS NOT ATTACHED WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY PASSED
10:05:24AM THIS.
10:05:25AM WE'RE ASKING TO PASS THE SCRIVENER'S ORDINANCE.
10:05:28AM THANK YOU.
10:05:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:05:28AM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
10:05:30AM ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 51?
10:05:35AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:05:37AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:05:38AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:05:39AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:05:40AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 51.
10:05:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:05:45AM ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:05:47AM ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 2019-50, PASSED AND ORDAINED BY
10:05:51AM THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON APRIL 4, 2019,
10:05:54AM CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR FOR AN AD VALOREM FOR
10:05:57AM PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1902 NORTH AVENIDA REPUBLICA DE CUBA, BY
10:06:02AM ATTACHING EXHIBIT A, (LEGAL DESCRIPTION); PROVIDING FOR
10:06:02AM SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:06:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:06:08AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:06:09AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:06:19AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:06:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN I OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I
10:06:27AM STOPPED AT 51.
10:06:28AM I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN ITEMS 52 THROUGH 60.
10:06:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:06:33AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:06:34AM WE NOW HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:06:37AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:06:38AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:06:38AM WE MOVE TO ITEM 52.
10:06:41AM IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT.
10:06:44AM IF EVERYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING TODAY ON
10:06:49AM QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER PLEASE STAND UP, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
10:06:52AM AND PREPARE TO BE SWORN IN.
10:06:54AM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
10:07:07AM >>MARY SAMANIEGO: THANK YOU.
10:07:08AM MARY SAMANIEGO.
10:07:09AM ITEMS 52 THROUGH 57 ARE ALL SECOND READINGS.
10:07:12AM THE REQUIRED CHANGES TO SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND
10:07:16AM ARE AVAILABLE AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:07:18AM THANK YOU.
10:07:18AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:07:19AM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON ITEM 52?
10:07:22AM OKAY.
10:07:22AM BEING NONE, IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON
10:07:25AM ITEM NUMBER 52?
10:07:29AM >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO.
10:07:30AM I DO NOT SEE THE APPLICANT PRESENT, BUT I ASK THAT YOU
10:07:34AM PROCEED WITH THE HEARING.
10:07:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: PREMATURE THERE.
10:07:39AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 52?
10:07:42AM OKAY.
10:07:44AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:07:46AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:07:47AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:07:48AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:07:49AM MR. CITRO, IF YOU COULD TAKE ITEM 52, SIR.
10:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
10:07:57AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:07:58AM AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (S-2) APPROVING
10:08:02AM A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN AN RM-16 RESIDENTIAL,
10:08:07AM MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3518
10:08:10AM AND 3519 EAST 9th AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
10:08:14AM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1.
10:08:16AM THEREOF PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:08:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:08:23AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:08:25AM STRIKE THAT.
10:08:26AM LET'S RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:08:33AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:08:36AM VOTE.
10:08:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:08:37AM WE'RE MOVING TO -- YES, SIR.
10:08:39AM WE MOVE TO ITEM 53.
10:08:49AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:08:50AM STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
10:08:52AM WE RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THE FIRST READING AND WE
10:08:55AM RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL ON SECOND READING.
10:08:58AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
10:09:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:09:02AM ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL OF THE APPLICANT?
10:09:05AM ANYONE HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 53?
10:09:08AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:09:11AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:09:12AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:09:13AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:09:14AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 53.
10:09:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:09:19AM MOVE ITEM 53, REZ 19-29, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
10:09:24AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:09:25AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
10:09:27AM 214 SOUTH NEW JERSEY AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
10:09:30AM MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
10:09:32AM DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, TO
10:09:35AM RM-18, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:09:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:09:41AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:09:42AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:09:49AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:09:51AM VOTE.
10:09:53AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:09:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT MOVE TO ITEM 54.
10:09:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:10:00AM GINA GRIMES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD HENDERSON
10:10:03AM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
10:10:04AM I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:10:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON ITEM NUMBER
10:10:07AM 54?
10:10:08AM OKAY.
10:10:09AM BEING NONE, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM
10:10:12AM NUMBER 54?
10:10:13AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:10:16AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:10:17AM ALL IN FAVOR.
10:10:19AM ANY OPPOSED.
10:10:20AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 54.
10:10:24AM >>BILL CARLSON: SURE, MOVE FILE NUMBER REZ 19-33, ORDINANCE
10:10:29AM BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
10:10:31AM ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2514
10:10:34AM WEST PROSPECT ROAD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
10:10:38AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
10:10:40AM CLASSIFICATION RS-60 (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY) TO RS-75
10:10:45AM (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:10:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:10:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:10:51AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:10:53AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:10:54AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:11:00AM VOTE.
10:11:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:11:02AM WE MOVE NOW TO ITEM 55, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
10:11:09AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:11:11AM I'M DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
10:11:16AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ON ITEM 55.
10:11:20AM I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:11:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL
10:11:26AM ON ITEM 55?
10:11:28AM BEING NONE IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT
10:11:30AM ON ITEM NUMBER 55?
10:11:32AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:11:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: OH --
10:11:37AM >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:11:41AM THERE IS A REVISED BPA I SENT OUT BY MEMORANDUM, SO PLEASE
10:11:44AM DO THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
10:11:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
10:11:51AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:11:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
10:12:00AM GENERAL VICINITY OF 608 NORTH WILLOW AVENUE AND 1332 WEST
10:12:05AM CASS STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
10:12:08AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
10:12:10AM CLASSIFICATION CG (COMMERCIAL GENERAL) TO PD (PLANNED
10:12:15AM DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RESTAURANT, AND STRIP
10:12:17AM SHOPPING CENTER WITH ALL CG USES); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
10:12:22AM DATE.
10:12:22AM WITH THE RESOLUTION.
10:12:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A MOTION TO ADOPT, IS THAT CORRECT?
10:12:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
10:12:36AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:12:37AM SECOND READING. I APOLOGIZE.
10:12:41AM RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:12:43AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:12:46AM VOTE.
10:12:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:12:47AM DOES ANYONE WISH TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
10:12:50AM >>THE CLERK: THAT IS SUBSTITUTE.
10:12:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:12:56AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:12:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:12:59AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:13:00AM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 56, IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT.
10:13:04AM ANYONE HERE FOR EITHER?
10:13:12AM >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO.
10:13:13AM I DO NOT SEE THE APPLICANT PRESENT BUT I ASK THAT YOU
10:13:16AM PROCEED WITH THE HEARING.
10:13:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:13:17AM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR ITEM 56?
10:13:20AM BEING NONE, IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT
10:13:23AM ON ITEM NUMBER 56?
10:13:27AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:13:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
10:13:29AM MANISCALCO.
10:13:30AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:13:32AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:13:32AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:13:33AM OKAY.
10:13:34AM COUNCILMAN, MANISCALCO, IF YOU, SIR, ARE COMFORTABLE WITH
10:13:36AM TAKING ITEM 56.
10:13:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:13:39AM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:13:41AM ADOPTION.
10:13:41AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
10:13:43AM 4224, 4226, 4236 AND 4242 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD AND 4213 AND
10:13:51AM 4215 EAST EVA STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
10:13:54AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
10:13:56AM CLASSIFICATION CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO PD, PLANNED
10:14:00AM DEVELOPMENT, RETAIL SALES, GASOLINE AND RESTAURANT,
10:14:04AM DRIVE-IN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:14:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
10:14:07AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:14:11AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:14:13AM VOTE.
10:14:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:14:15AM NEXT WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 57.
10:14:18AM IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR ITEM 57.
10:14:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:14:35AM MY NAME IS MICHELAIT MANIUS.
10:14:32AM I AM THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 57.
10:14:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:14:39AM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
10:14:41AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:14:42AM ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER
10:14:45AM 57?
10:14:46AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:14:48AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:14:50AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:14:51AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:14:51AM COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 57.
10:14:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:14:57AM FILE NUMBER REZ 19-61, I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
10:15:02AM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:15:03AM AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
10:15:06AM 4501 NORTH 42nd STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
10:15:12AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
10:15:15AM CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD,
10:15:18AM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY; PROVIDING
10:15:22AM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:15:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:15:25AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:15:27AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:15:33AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:15:35AM VOTE.
10:15:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:15:37AM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 58, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE OR ANYONE
10:15:42AM FROM CITY STAFF.
10:15:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:15:46AM JULIE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:15:47AM I'M REPRESENTING THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE
10:15:50AM VACATION PETITION BEFORE YOU TODAY.
10:15:51AM GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS ON YOUR AGENDA
10:15:55AM FOR VACATING APPLICATIONS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME
10:15:58AM TO REFRESH YOU ON SOME KEY POINTS TO CONSIDER AS YOU MAKE A
10:16:02AM DETERMINATION ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
10:16:04AM BASED ON STAFF REPORTS, COMMENTS AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED,
10:16:10AM COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA TO DECIDE
10:16:12AM WHETHER THE VACATION OF THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS IN THE
10:16:15AM PUBLIC'S INTEREST OR AT LEAST THAT THE VACATION WILL NOT
10:16:17AM ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PUBLIC AND RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NO LONGER
10:16:21AM NEEDED BY THE CITY. I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT
10:16:25AM YOU SHOULD KEEP IN MIND AS JUSTIFICATION FOR VACATING THE
10:16:31AM PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
10:16:31AM THESE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN UPHELD IN COURT, FLORIDA COURTS.
10:16:36AM THEY INCLUDE WILL IT ALLEVIATE OR RELIEVE THE PUBLIC FROM
10:16:40AM THE COST OF MAINTAINING A RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH IS NO LONGER
10:16:43AM USEFUL OR USED ONLY -- BY ONLY A VERY FEW MEMBERS OF THE
10:16:48AM PUBLIC?
10:16:48AM THE SECOND CRITERIA IS, WILL IT ALLEVIATE A PUBLIC NUISANCE
10:16:53AM SUCH AS DUMPING OR CURTAIL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY?
10:16:58AM WILL IT FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES?
10:17:01AM WILL AN ABUTTING OWNER'S ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY BE
10:17:04AM COMPLETELY CUT OFF OR SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISHED AS A RESULT
10:17:07AM OF THE VACATING?
10:17:08AM CAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST BE SERVED BY APPROVING THE
10:17:14AM VACATING PETITION SUBJECT TO PEGS CONDITIONS BEING IMPOSED
10:17:19AM SUCH AS EASEMENT?
10:17:20AM COUNCIL MAY CONSIDER THE CURRENT USE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IF
10:17:24AM ANY, AND REASONABLE POTENTIAL FUTURE USE.
10:17:27AM AND THE BENEFIT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO WHICH THE
10:17:31AM VACATED PROPERTY ATTACHED CONSIDERED.
10:17:34AM PLEASE KEEP IN MIND IF YOU STEP OUTSIDE OF THESE CRITERIA IT
10:17:37AM EXPOSES YOUR DECISION TO A RISK OF BEING CHALLENGED.
10:17:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
10:17:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW DOES SHE FEEL?
10:17:48AM DID YOU WRITE THE ORDINANCE?
10:17:52AM >> I DRAFTED --
10:17:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT YOU SAID ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS
10:17:55AM ABOUT THE AUDIENCE.
10:17:56AM YOU FEEL FINE WITH IT?
10:17:58AM >> YES.
10:17:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:18:00AM ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
10:18:01AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT --
10:18:07AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
10:18:09AM THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS ONE.
10:18:13AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
10:18:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM.
10:18:16AM ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
10:18:18AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:18:18AM ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM 58?
10:18:23AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:18:25AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:18:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:18:28AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:18:28AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 58.
10:18:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
10:18:38AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:18:39AM AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING
10:18:43AM A PORTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY KNOWN AS GRACE STREET, LYING NORTH
10:18:47AM OF CYPRESS STREET, EAST OF CLARK AVENUE, WEST OF I-275 AND
10:18:52AM SOUTH OF NASSAU STREET IN BELVEDERE PARK, A SUBDIVISION IN
10:18:57AM THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME
10:18:59AM BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO
10:19:03AM CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND
10:19:07AM RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING
10:19:10AM AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:19:11AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:19:14AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:19:15AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:19:24AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT
10:19:26AM AT VOTE.
10:19:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:19:27AM NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 59.
10:19:31AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
10:19:32AM COORDINATION.
10:19:33AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:19:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:19:37AM IS ANYONE FROM COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ITEM 59?
10:19:45AM NOW WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:19:46AM ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 59?
10:19:51AM >> MY NAME IS ALAN DAUBS WITH FLORIDA DESIGN STUDIO, 5502
10:19:57AM NORTH CHEROKEE AVENUE.
10:19:59AM I AM THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT FOR THE OWNERS OF THE CIGAR
10:20:07AM FACTORY, THE ONES PETITIONING FOR ABANDONING THE ALLEY.
10:20:10AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:20:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:20:13AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:20:14AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:20:15AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 59?
10:20:20AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:20:22AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:20:24AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:20:25AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:20:25AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE 59.
10:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:20:30AM I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:20:33AM ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND
10:20:35AM ABANDONING A RIGHT-OF-WAY/ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF 17th
10:20:40AM AVENUE, SOUTH OF 18th AVENUE, EAST OF 15th STREET AND
10:20:43AM WEST OF 16th STREET IN SANCHEZ & HAYA REAL ESTATE
10:20:48AM COMPANY'S REVISED MAP, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
10:20:51AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY
10:20:53AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT
10:20:56AM RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE
10:20:59AM PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:21:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
10:21:06AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:21:07AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:21:09AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
10:21:12AM VOTE.
10:21:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 60.
10:21:17AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH.
10:21:18AM LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
10:21:19AM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:21:21AM AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
10:21:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM CITY COUNCIL?
10:21:25AM BEING NONE, APPLICANT, ANYTHING, SIR?
10:21:32AM >> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M THE APPLICANT,
10:21:35AM REPRESENTATIVE FOR INTEREST RECOVERY INC.
10:21:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:21:39AM I'M JANE WHITFIELD, THE ATTORNEY FOR INTEREST HOLDINGS.
10:21:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY HAVE YOU-ALL'S FULL NAME?
10:21:44AM >> NICO TARANLINI.
10:21:50AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
10:21:51AM APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL?
10:21:52AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:21:53AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:21:54AM ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 60?
10:21:57AM MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:22:01AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:22:03AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:22:03AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:22:05AM OKAY.
10:22:08AM NEXT, COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU, SIR, DON'T MIND TAKING ITEM
10:22:12AM NUMBER 60.
10:22:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:22:14AM FILE NUMBER VAC 19-14, I MOVE THE ORDINANCE TO BE PRESENTED
10:22:19AM FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:22:20AM AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING
10:22:22AM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY/ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF 9th AVENUE, SOUTH
10:22:28AM OF 10th AVENUE, EAST OF NORTH 32nd STREET AND WEST OF
10:22:33AM NORTH 33rd STREET IN POWELL'S ADDITION TO EAST YBOR, A
10:22:39AM SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
10:22:41AM FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
10:22:46AM HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS,
10:22:51AM CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED SET
10:22:54AM FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:22:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE DO THAT, I SEE A NOTE FROM PLANNING
10:23:01AM AND DEVELOPMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND/OR TPD TO PROVIDE
10:23:06AM WRITTEN REPORTS ON THIS ISSUE.
10:23:12AM >>THE CLERK: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:23:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: HAS THAT ALL BEEN DONE?
10:23:16AM >>THE CLERK: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:23:18AM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANT TO GO TO THE MAKER
10:23:22AM OF THE MOTION, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
10:23:22AM CITRO.
10:23:23AM THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR WRITTEN REPORTS.
10:23:25AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT -- WHAT I WAS HOPING
10:23:26AM FOR WAS A QUICK STAFF REPORT IN REGARD TO, JUST AS IT
10:23:31AM RELATED TO ALLEYS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ALLEYS AND
10:23:34AM ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT SORT OF
10:23:38AM THING, AND THEN TRY AND RELATE IT TO THIS PARTICULAR
10:23:41AM PROJECT.
10:23:42AM NOW, I KNOW THIS ONE WAS UNUSUAL BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSIONS
10:23:46AM OF THE LOT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I RESPECT THE
10:23:49AM PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE DEVELOPER, BUT DID WE HAVE OTHER
10:23:54AM STAFF THAT WAS GOING TO TALK TO US.
10:23:57AM I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT PARTICULAR STAFF REPORT?
10:23:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BEFORE
10:24:01AM MR. SHELBY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, SIR?
10:24:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A QUESTION RELATIVE TO THAT.
10:24:06AM THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
10:24:08AM THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN READ BY TITLE.
10:24:10AM THE QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS A STAFF REPORT OF GENERAL NATURE
10:24:14AM OR IS IT EVIDENCE THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS
10:24:17AM PARTICULAR PARCEL?
10:24:18AM BECAUSE IF IT IS SOMETHING JUST OF A GENERAL NATURE, A
10:24:23AM POLICY DECISION --
10:24:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I WOULD MOVE TO REOPEN.
10:24:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. SHELBY.
10:24:29AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER DID A MOTION TO REOPEN.
10:24:31AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:24:33AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:24:36AM ANY IN FAVOR?
10:24:37AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:24:39AM >> THE POLICE AND STANDARDS AND ENFORCEMENTS SENT A REPORT
10:24:43AM OVER TO COUNCIL THAT TALKED ABOUT THE DUMPING.
10:24:45AM I DID ASK URBAN DESIGN TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY,
10:24:50AM BUT I DON'T SEE THEM PRESENT.
10:24:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BEFORE YOU START, CATHY, IN REGARD TO
10:24:57AM POLICE, I DIDN'T SEE THE REPORT.
10:24:58AM I'M SURE IT'S THERE.
10:25:00AM WHAT DID IT SAY?
10:25:02AM >> IT BASICALLY SAID THERE WAS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AS FAR AS
10:25:10AM DUMPING GOES.
10:25:11AM THEY HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE DEBRIS LEFT ON THE SITE.
10:25:12AM THEY JUST TARGETED SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAD
10:25:14AM COMPLAINED TO STANDARDS AND ENFORCEMENTS.
10:25:17AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS WHEN I
10:25:19AM SAW -- THERE IS NO DEFINED ALLEY THERE, IT'S JUST PART OF
10:25:22AM ALL THE OVERGROWN.
10:25:24AM >> IT IS A PLATTED ALLEY THAT NEVER GOT IMPROVED, BASICALLY.
10:25:27AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE ALLEY HAD BEEN
10:25:29AM DUMPED IN.
10:25:31AM >> NO.
10:25:31AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND THERE I'M SURE
10:25:33AM ARE DUMPING.
10:25:35AM >> PEOPLE ARE APPARENTLY PARKING CARS ON THE LOTS AND THINGS
10:25:38AM LIKE THAT.
10:25:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PUTTING AN ALLEY IN IS NOT NECESSARILY
10:25:41AM GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
10:25:43AM GO AHEAD, CATHY.
10:25:45AM >> THANK YOU.
10:25:46AM CATHERINE COYLE, PLANNING, DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
10:25:49AM COORDINATION.
10:25:50AM IN GENERAL HAD, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS AND
10:25:53AM AGAIN, TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING AND DESIGN IS ALSO LOOKING
10:25:55AM AT IT FROM DOWNTOWN, BUT FROM STRICTLY A PLANNING
10:25:58AM PERSPECTIVE, WE DO LOOK AT THE GRID AND WHAT IS AROUND IT.
10:26:04AM AND ITS CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
10:26:10AM AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE LOCATION HERE.
10:26:12AM THIS IS BOUNDED BY THE CONNECTOR, THE SELMON I-4 CONNECTOR.
10:26:19AM I-4 THIS SIDE.
10:26:20AM THE GRID IS ACTUALLY CLOSED.
10:26:22AM THERE IS NO CONNECTION UNDER THE CONNECTOR AND NO CONNECTION
10:26:25AM UNDER I-4 EXCEPT UNDER 34, SO IT IS A CLOSED GRID.
10:26:29AM I DID A BLOWUP OF SURROUNDING BLOCKS, AND WE DO DEFINITELY
10:26:34AM LOOK AT THE IMPORTANCE OF ALLEYS.
10:26:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY IS THAT?
10:26:39AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: ALLEYS BASICALLY AS PART OF THE GRID AND
10:26:41AM THE CONNECTION, WHETHER THEY ARE USED FOR SERVICE OR
10:26:44AM UTILITIES OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE USES, AND WHETHER OR NOT
10:26:49AM THEY ARE OPEN OR IMPROVED OR THEY ARE JUST ON A MAP AND HAVE
10:26:52AM NEVER BEEN IMPROVED.
10:26:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT ALLEYS ARE GENERALLY IMPORTANT IN
10:26:55AM SOME AREAS, CORRECT?
10:26:56AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: IN SOME.
10:26:58AM THAT'S WHY IT'S DEFINITELY IN CONTEXT OF THE AREA IT'S IN.
10:27:01AM LOOKING CLOSER, IF YOU LOOK AT EACH PARTICULAR BLOCK, THIS
10:27:04AM IS THE SUBJECT BLOCK HERE.
10:27:06AM YOU CAN SEE WE ALSO HAVE TO -- WE ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
10:27:12AM FROM OUR PLANNING PERSPECTIVE AND DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THE
10:27:14AM NATURAL RESOURCES ASPECT AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DO LOOK AT TREE
10:27:17AM REPLACEMENT.
10:27:18AM TREES GROW WHERE YOU PLANT THEM, BUT THEY ALSO GROW WHERE
10:27:21AM THEY WANT TO.
10:27:22AM YOU DO HAVE A LARGE CLUSTER OF TREES HERE.
10:27:25AM THE ALLEY HAS NEVER BEEN IMPROVED.
10:27:28AM LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE PLATTED AREA AND SURROUNDING
10:27:30AM BLOCKS, YOU CAN SEE THE ALLEYS HAVEN'T BEEN IMPROVED AND
10:27:33AM TREES HAVE JUST KIND OF GROWN WHERE THEY WANT.
10:27:37AM YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS ACTUALLY HAS A PLOTTED ALLEY AS WELL.
10:27:41AM NONE OF THESE ARE CLOSED ON PAPER.
10:27:44AM THEY ARE ACTUALLY OPEN BUT ALL THE FENCE LINES FOLLOW THE
10:27:48AM BACK LINE.
10:27:48AM IT'S NOT OPEN.
10:27:49AM THIS ONE ISN'T EITHER.
10:27:52AM THAT IS A PREDOMINANT PATTERN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
10:27:55AM THEY WERE SIMPLY PLATTED ON PAPER AND NEVER ACTUALLY USED.
10:27:58AM SO WE FOUND NO PUBLIC PURPOSE TO KEEP THEM OPEN BECAUSE AS A
10:28:02AM LARGER GRID IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY CONNECT BECAUSE OF THE
10:28:05AM CUTOFFS FROM THE INTERSTATES.
10:28:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, THAT
10:28:09AM INFORMATION IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
10:28:12AM I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT IF THERE ARE ALLEY VACATING
10:28:17AM REQUESTS, THAT WE CAN SEE THAT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH
10:28:23AM OTHER NEIGHBORING BLOCKS AND THE CONTEXT THAT THE REQUEST IS
10:28:26AM IN.
10:28:27AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: I CAN HAVE OUR PLANNING STAFF TO ADD
10:28:30AM THOSE FEW SENTENCES TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE
10:28:34AM LOOKING AT.
10:28:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE OTHER PART, MS. COYLE AND I'M SO GLAD
10:28:39AM YOU'RE HERE, IS WHAT GOT US HERE?
10:28:41AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
10:28:43AM THAT WOULD BE BARBARA.
10:28:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT AN ANSWER I'M LOOKING FOR.
10:28:47AM IT MIGHT BE THE SOLUTION.
10:28:48AM COUNCIL, WHAT YOU RECALL, WHAT GOT US HERE, THIS PROPERTY
10:28:50AM WAS X NUMBER OF FEET SHORT BECAUSE I GUESS AT SOME POINT WE
10:28:56AM CHANGED THE CITY CODE TO REQUIRE OR NOT ALLOW -- IT WASN'T A
10:29:01AM BUILDABLE LOT BECAUSE IT BECAME TOO SHORT, RIGHT?
10:29:04AM I KNOW WE USED TO HAVE THE 80% RULE.
10:29:12AM I'M NOT LOOKING TO BRING BACK THE 80% RULE.
10:29:14AM BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CHAT WITH STAFF AT SOME POINT AND
10:29:19AM PERHAPS REVISIT THIS.
10:29:21AM BECAUSE TO ME IT WAS KIND OF -- IT'S SORT OF OVERKILL THAT
10:29:24AM HE HAS TO COME IN AND VACATE -- GO THROUGH THIS VACATING
10:29:28AM THING, VACATE THE ENTIRE ALLEY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, JUST
10:29:31AM TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL COUPLE OF FEET TO MAKE THIS A
10:29:37AM BUILDABLE PARCEL.
10:29:38AM I HOPE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE TWEAK THE ZONING CODE
10:29:42AM TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ANOMALIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY
10:29:45AM CAUSES THE PROBLEM.
10:29:46AM I THINK WHEN THE CITY CHANGED ITS CODE, PERHAPS THE
10:29:50AM ELIMINATION OF THE 80% RULE, WE THREW THESE TYPE OF PARCELS
10:29:55AM INTO THAT SITUATION.
10:29:56AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE ELIMINATION
10:29:58AM OF THE 80% RULE WAS SIMPLY TAKING AWAY THE SPECIAL USE
10:30:01AM PROCESS FOR IT.
10:30:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:30:02AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING PROCESS IS
10:30:05AM STILL THERE FOR SUBSTANDARD LOTS TO COME --
10:30:08AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, BUT A PD PROCESS IS EVEN MORE
10:30:11AM ONEROUS THAN THE VACATING ALLEY PROCESS.
10:30:13AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: IT IS.
10:30:15AM SAME PROCESS AS SPECIAL USE PROCESS.
10:30:16AM IT FOLLOWS THE SAME STEPS THAT IT USED TO FOLLOW.
10:30:18AM ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN MORE RECENT HISTORY, LOOKING AT
10:30:21AM OUR OVERLAYS IN OUR SPECIAL DISTRICTS IS WE'VE INCLUDED A
10:30:24AM LOT OF RECORD PROVISION.
10:30:25AM SO THAT IF WE LOOK AT A CERTAIN AREA AND WE LOOK AT THE
10:30:28AM PATTERN OF THE AREA AND HOW IT WAS PLOTTED AND HOW IT'S
10:30:30AM DEVELOPED WE STICK IN A LOT OF RECORD PROVISIONS SO IF YOU
10:30:33AM ARE A LOT OF RECORD OF PLOTTED DEED AS OF A CERTAIN DATE,
10:30:37AM YOU ARE A BUILDABLE LOT.
10:30:38AM THAT ACTUALLY TAKES CARE OF IT WITHOUT ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH
10:30:41AM HOW IT WAS PLOTTED WITH ALLEYS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
10:30:44AM JUST THOSE PLOTTED LOTS THEY CAN BUILD.
10:30:46AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY
10:30:49AM THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR THEM.
10:30:50AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: THEY ARE NOT IN ONE OF THE AREAS.
10:30:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONLY SPECIFIC TO AREAS?
10:30:55AM MAYBE WE SHOULD BROADEN THAT OUT.
10:30:58AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: THAT'S I DIDN'T SUGGESTED BRINGING IT UP.
10:31:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
10:31:01AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:31:04AM >> MS. COYLE, GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
10:31:09AM THAT AREA, IS THAT NOT THE GARY YBOR AREA?
10:31:15AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF THE AREA
10:31:17AM BUT, YES, THE EASTERN AREA OF YBOR CITY.
10:31:21AM NOT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT EAST OF THAT.
10:31:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BECAUSE IT IS NORTHEAST.
10:31:25AM I TOOK MR. SHELBY OVER YESTERDAY, SEEN ALL THE VACANT LOTS
10:31:31AM AND ALLEYWAYS OVER THERE.
10:31:33AM GOOD POINT.
10:31:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, WHEN I SECONDED THE MOTION THAT
10:31:38AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MADE, I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN THE
10:31:41AM STAFF REPORTS OF ILLEGAL DUMPING AND CRIME THAT MIGHT BE
10:31:44AM HAPPENING IN THIS AREA TO WARRANT THE REQUEST BY THE OWNERS
10:31:48AM OF THIS.
10:31:48AM I AM VERY SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF REPORT.
10:31:50AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:31:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:31:53AM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY FOR A NEWBIE QUESTION.
10:31:56AM IF THIS WAS A PAVED ALLEY THAT WAS REGULARLY USED BY THE
10:32:00AM PUBLIC, WOULD STAFF HAVE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED AGAINST THIS?
10:32:04AM >>CATHERINE COYLE: IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO SAY IN A
10:32:07AM HYPOTHETICAL, LIKELY IF IT IS AN OPEN AND USED ALLEY, WE
10:32:10AM PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING IT.
10:32:13AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN BRING THIS UP IN NEW BUSINESS, BUT I
10:32:16AM THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED A MORE WHOLESOME DISCUSSION
10:32:20AM ABOUT ALLEYS.
10:32:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT OF
10:32:24AM ALLEYS MUCH LONGER, CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DISTRICT THAT LOT
10:32:27AM OF ALLEYS ARE USED BY THE PUBLIC.
10:32:29AM CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ALLEYS ARE THERE AND NEVER
10:32:31AM BEEN USED.
10:32:33AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:34AM >> WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT VACATING
10:32:38AM ALLEYS, IF IT'S PAVED AND USED WE TELL THEM THIS IS PROBABLY
10:32:42AM NOT A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR VACATING AND TRY TO DISCOURAGE THAT
10:32:45AM TYPE OF APPLICATION KNOWING IT WILL PROBABLY NOT GET
10:32:47AM APPROVED.
10:32:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST TO BELABOR IT ONE MORE SECOND, WE
10:32:51AM HAD SOME ALLEYS, I THINK THEY WERE IN SOHO EARLIER, ABOUT 15
10:32:58AM YEARS AGO.
10:32:59AM THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN BARELY PAVED, BARELY USED BUT WHEN THE
10:33:03AM ACTIVITY AND THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY
10:33:06AM TO GET THOSE DEVELOPERS TO REBUILD THOSE ALLEYS BECAUSE THEY
10:33:10AM WANTED TO BUILD THOSE QUADS, REMEMBER, AND UTILIZE THOSE
10:33:15AM ALLEYS AS A REAR-LOADING GARAGES THAT SORT OF THING.
10:33:19AM ULTIMATELY, WE'VE ENDED UP WITH SOME NICE ALLEY SYSTEMS THAT
10:33:22AM DIDN'T EXIST.
10:33:23AM SO I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT WE
10:33:28AM SHOULD VERY CAREFULLY STUDY THOSE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
10:33:32AM THANK YOU.
10:33:33AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:33:34AM NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING
10:33:37AM FURTHER IN REBUTTAL OR RESPONSE TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS
10:33:40AM JUST HELD.
10:33:42AM IF YOU COULD GO UP THERE --
10:33:44AM >> NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
10:33:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: MIND STATING YOUR NAME AGAIN?
10:33:47AM >> NICOL TARANLINI.
10:33:53AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 60?
10:33:56AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:34:00AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:34:02AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:34:02AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:34:03AM COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU DON'T MIND AGAIN READING NUMBER 60.
10:34:07AM DO WE NEED TO READ IT AGAIN?
10:34:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
10:34:13AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHO SECONDED THAT?
10:34:15AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
10:34:20AM MANISCALCO.
10:34:20AM LET'S RECORD OUR VOTE.
10:34:29AM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH -- [INAUDIBLE]
10:34:31AM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:34:36AM >> MOVE TO OPEN THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEMS 61 THROUGH
10:34:39AM 66.
10:34:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:34:41AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:34:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:34:44AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:34:45AM OKAY.
10:34:46AM WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 61.
10:34:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN THE PUBLIC FOR THE
10:34:53AM 10:30 HEARINGS?
10:34:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY HERE SPEAKING ON THESE ITEMS WHO HAS
10:35:02AM NOT BEEN SWORN IN
10:35:04AM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
10:35:13AM >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, PLANNING DESIGN DEVELOPMENT
10:35:15AM COORDINATION.
10:35:15AM GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:35:15AM ITEM NUMBER 61 WAS CONTINUED FROM MAY 23, 2019, EVENING AB
10:35:18AM PUBLIC HEARING.
10:35:18AM I'D LIKE TO HIT ON SOME KEY POINTS FROM THAT MEETING.
10:35:20AM THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR AB 219-12 LOCATED AT 1925 EAST
10:35:25AM 6th AVENUE.
10:35:26AM IT'S FOR A SMALL VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION
10:35:29AM ON PREMISES AS WELL AS PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION
10:35:32AM OFF-PREMISES.
10:35:33AM PROPOSED USES FOR THE SITE ARE BAR, RETAIL, SALES, BUSINESS
10:35:36AM OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
10:35:36AM THEY WERE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION
10:35:41AM WHICH COMES FROM SECTION 27283.7, WHICH REQUIRED 12 PARKING
10:35:45AM SPACES.
10:35:45AM THEY HAVE FOUR ON-SITE, 67% REDUCTION, AS WELL AS A FAVOR
10:35:50AM FROM THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT THAT COMES FROM
10:35:52AM SECTION 27132.
10:35:54AM IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF 250 FEET FROM OTHER AB SALES
10:35:58AM ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THEY ARE AT 165 FEET.
10:36:00AM THIS PETITION WAS CONTINUED.
10:36:05AM THERE WERE SOME NOTES THAT I TOOK ON THE FIRST ONE THAT
10:36:08AM COUNCIL AND THE AGENT AGREED TO ADD ON TO THE SITE PLAN
10:36:11AM BEFORE WE GETTING IT SECOND READING, ONE OF THEM BEING THERE
10:36:14AM WOULD BE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND THEN IT WAS
10:36:16AM CONTINUED TO GO INTO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOURS OF
10:36:19AM OPERATION.
10:36:19AM THE AGENT MARK BENTLEY IS HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME
10:36:22AM PROPOSED CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION,
10:36:26AM AND STAFF WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE
10:36:30AM ON THAT.
10:36:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:36:32AM ANY QUESTIONS?
10:36:33AM NO?
10:36:33AM ALL RIGHT.
10:36:33AM APPLICANT?
10:36:35AM MR. BENTLEY.
10:36:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME
10:36:41AM IS MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, 33602.
10:36:45AM WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT THE LAST HEARING WAS I HAD SUGGESTED A
10:36:49AM CONTINUE TO IMPOSE LIMITATIONS ON THE HOURS OF SALE WITH THE
10:36:53AM EXCEPTION OF SOME SPECIAL EVENTS IN YBOR CITY.
10:36:58AM AND A CONCERN WAS RAISED ABOUT THE PROPRIETARY OF DOING THAT
10:37:01AM OR LEGALITY.
10:37:03AM THE CHARGE WAS BETWEEN THESE TWO WEEKS TO RESEARCH THE
10:37:08AM LEGALITY OF IMPOSING A CONDITION LIKE THAT, THAT CARVED OUT
10:37:11AM THESE EXCEPTIONS.
10:37:12AM I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND I
10:37:17AM PROPOSED A CONDITION WHICH REQUIRES THE CESSATION OF SALE OF
10:37:23AM ALCOHOL AT 12:00 EVERY NIGHT.
10:37:28AM CAN ONLY COMMENCE SALE OF ALCOHOL 11 A.M. SUNDAY WHICH IS
10:37:32AM CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
10:37:33AM WE CARVED OUT THE EXCEPTIONS I MENTIONED BEFORE, GUAVAWEEN,
10:37:39AM ET CETERA.
10:37:40AM MS. MORA HAS REVIEWED THAT FOR LEGAL SUFFICIENCY.
10:37:44AM IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SHE BELIEVES IT IS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT
10:37:47AM AS TO FORM AND SUBSTANCE.
10:37:48AM AND I HAVE THAT CONDITION.
10:37:49AM I CAN PRESENT IT TO YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
10:37:52AM ONE OTHER THING, TOO, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE SENT A LETTER
10:38:02AM TO THE CONDO ASSOCIATION LOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE EAST THAT
10:38:05AM HAD RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOURS AND THE OUTSIDE
10:38:09AM AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND TOLD THEM WHAT OUR INTENTION WAS.
10:38:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:38:17AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:18AM ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS?
10:38:20AM NO.
10:38:22AM ALL RIGHT.
10:38:22AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:38:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO I SEE A LETTER FROM -- OUTLINING NINE
10:38:37AM ADDITIONAL NIGHTS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO STAY OPEN I GUESS
10:38:42AM UNTIL THREE OR UP TILL THREE WITH ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL
10:38:46AM EVENT ANNUALLY, INCLUDING THE JAMES E. ROOSTER FAT TUESDAY
10:38:50AM BAR CRAWL, WHICH I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH, MR. BENTLEY.
10:38:56AM >> NEITHER WAS I.
10:38:57AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYWAY, ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENT
10:39:00AM ANNUALLY.
10:39:01AM I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF -- I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS
10:39:05AM GENERALLY.
10:39:05AM I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET ME WRONG AND I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT
10:39:09AM WITH OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
10:39:10AM MY ONLY CONCERN IS SORT OF THE VAGUENESS ABOUT, QUOTE, ONE
10:39:13AM ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENT ANNUALLY AND ALSO WOULD THESE
10:39:21AM SPECIFIC DATES ALSO BE POSTED WITH THE POSTING THAT WE'RE
10:39:26AM DOING HERE?
10:39:27AM >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:39:29AM YES SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD -- COUNCIL
10:39:32AM HAS SEEN SOME OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE THERE ARE
10:39:35AM SPECIFIC EVENINGS WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF
10:39:39AM EVENT, AND WHAT COUNCIL HAS DONE IN THESE SITUATIONS IS
10:39:42AM REQUIRE THEM TO NOTIFY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR BY
10:39:45AM JANUARY 1st EACH YEAR, BY MONTH, DATE, WHAT THOSE DATES
10:39:51AM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WILL BE.
10:39:52AM THEY POST THOSE ON THE PREMISES SO IT'S EASILY VIEWABLE BY
10:39:55AM CUSTOMERS, BY TPD AS WELL.
10:39:57AM SO IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE WHAT THE SPECIALIZED DATES WOULD
10:39:59AM BE.
10:40:00AM AND THAT DEALS WITH THE SOMEWHAT VAGUENESS OF THOSE DATES
10:40:04AM THAT ARE NOT CLEARLY KNOWN.
10:40:05AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY HAVE TO PICK IN ADVANCE WHAT THAT
10:40:09AM ADDITIONAL DATE WOULD BE.
10:40:10AM >>KRISTIN MORA: THAT'S CORRECT.
10:40:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST A FEW THINGS.
10:40:15AM OUR ORDINANCE FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION IS TILL 3 A.M.,
10:40:21AM CORRECT?
10:40:25AM >>KRISTIN MORA: CHAPTER 14 HAS DIFFERENT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT
10:40:30AM ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT TYPICALLY 3 A.M. IS THE HOUR, YES.
10:40:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
10:40:37AM CONSUMPTION, CORRECT?
10:40:38AM >>KRISTIN MORA: CORRECT.
10:40:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY ONLY CONCERN IS THIS, LET'S SAY THE
10:40:42AM APPLICANT SELLS THE BUSINESS, AND YOU'VE INDICATED THESE
10:40:49AM CONDITIONS, IS THAT BINDING?
10:40:53AM WILL THAT CARRY ON TO THE NEXT OWNER IF HE SELLS THE
10:40:55AM BUSINESS?
10:40:55AM >>KRISTIN MORA: YES.
10:40:56AM OUR ALCOHOL APPROVALS ARE TIED TO THE LAND, NOT THE
10:40:59AM INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT.
10:41:00AM SO ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BIND ANY FUTURE
10:41:04AM OWNERS THAT ARE SELLING ALCOHOL.
10:41:05AM THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT IS IF THEY CAME AND
10:41:08AM MADE AN AMENDMENT HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.
10:41:11AM OTHERWISE THAT PERMIT AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL CONTINUE
10:41:13AM WITH THE LAND.
10:41:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:41:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. MORA, HATE TO KEEP YOU GOING BACK AND
10:41:20AM FORTH.
10:41:20AM >>KRISTIN MORA: I KEEP TRYING TO ESCAPE.
10:41:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAVING LOOKED AT THIS, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT
10:41:28AM OF IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF -- LET ME DIGRESS -- INCLUDING
10:41:32AM THE NON-AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
10:41:34AM COULD THESE SAME DATES BE SELF-IMPOSED INSTEAD OF BEING IN
10:41:39AM FRONT OF US TODAY SO THIS WOULD NOT CARRY ON TO THE NEXT
10:41:44AM OWNER?
10:41:44AM MY POINT BEING, AND YOU KNOW I CANNOT GIVE EVIDENCE.
10:41:51AM >>KRISTIN MORA: YES.
10:41:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOWEVER, I AM SURE THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER
10:41:57AM EVENING FESTIVITIES THAT THIS ESTABLISHMENT MIGHT WANT TO BE
10:42:01AM OPEN TILL MORE THAN JUST ONE MORE A MONTH.
10:42:05AM I'M NOT SURE.
10:42:05AM I'M NOT GIVING EVIDENCE.
10:42:06AM HOWEVER, COULD THIS BE SELF-IMPOSING BY THE OWNERS ON WHEN
10:42:10AM THEY WANT TO CLOSE?
10:42:12AM >>KRISTIN MORA: SO THE WAY THAT THE CONDITION IS WORDED IS
10:42:14AM THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CLOSE AT 12 A.M. EVERY SINGLE DAY WITH
10:42:18AM THE EXCEPTION OF THE TEN DATES THAT THEY PROVIDED IN ADVANCE
10:42:20AM TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
10:42:21AM THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE BY TPD.
10:42:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME MAKE THIS STATEMENT THEN.
10:42:28AM ALTHOUGH I LIKE THIS GROUP, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM
10:42:32AM IN HERE EVERY MONTH SAYING WE FORGOT THIS DATE, FORGOT THAT
10:42:35AM DATE OR FORGOT THIS DATE.
10:42:37AM AGAIN, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS.
10:42:38AM I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS MORNING.
10:42:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:42:41AM ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE APPLICANT?
10:42:48AM >> NO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:42:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:42:50AM ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL ON ITEM 61?
10:42:54AM ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 61?
10:43:01AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:43:03AM ROGER KESSLER WITH UNIQUE PROPERTIES SERVICES.
10:43:05AM I'M THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MANAGER FOR THE PROPERTY.
10:43:10AM FIFTH AVENUE VILLAS CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION WHO IS RIGHT
10:43:13AM ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
10:43:14AM I THINK THEY ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.
10:43:16AM I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. MINCEBERG FOR PROPOSING
10:43:20AM THAT AND AGREEING TO THE TERMS.
10:43:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
10:43:23AM THE CONCERN WAS THAT -- THAT WAS A CONCERN, THAT IF A NEW
10:43:27AM OWNER CAME AND TOOK OVER THE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE FUTURE
10:43:30AM THAT MAYBE THEIR WET ZONE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO THEN
10:43:33AM INCREASE MUSIC AND PLAY AND BE LOUD AND HAVE HOURS OF
10:43:37AM OPERATION PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE NIGHT.
10:43:39AM BUT THAT'S BEEN ANSWERED NOW AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
10:43:41AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:43:42AM ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC?
10:43:45AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:43:49AM STRIKE THAT.
10:43:50AM ACTUALLY, ANY REBUTTAL?
10:43:52AM I DOUBT IT.
10:43:53AM THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
10:43:54AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:43:55AM I BELIEVE IT WAS BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I BELIEVE
10:43:57AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:43:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:44:00AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:44:01AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING 61?
10:44:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:44:04AM 61, FILE AB 2-19-12.
10:44:08AM MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
10:44:10AM AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (S-2) FOR
10:44:14AM ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE (CONSUMPTION ON
10:44:18AM PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION) AND
10:44:23AM MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
10:44:26AM CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
10:44:29AM TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1925 EAST 6th AVENUE, TAMPA,
10:44:32AM FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, THAT
10:44:35AM ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
10:44:37AM REPEALED, ALONG WITH THE AGREEMENTS PROPOSED OF APPROVAL OF
10:44:39AM THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND ALSO THE LETTER SIGNED BY
10:44:43AM MR. MICHAEL MINCBERG REGARDING THE DATES PLUS ONE DATE TO BE
10:44:47AM DETERMINED.
10:44:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
10:44:49AM WITH THAT SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORS
10:44:53AM AND THE OWNER FOR WORKING OUT THIS COMPROMISE WITH US, AND
10:44:56AM THANK YOU.
10:44:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:44:58AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:45:00AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:45:02AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:45:05AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:45:07AM >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIR, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL
10:45:09AM OCCUR ON JUNE 17th, 2019 AT 9:30 A.M.
10:45:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:45:15AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:17AM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY ALSO THANK YOU TO THE OWNERS
10:45:20AM AND DEVELOPERS FOR WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WORK OUT
10:45:22AM A RESOLUTION.
10:45:23AM THANK YOU.
10:45:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:45:25AM OKAY.
10:45:26AM NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 62.
10:45:32AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
10:45:34AM COORDINATION.
10:45:35AM THIS IS A REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF AN ALLEY NEAR WEST
10:45:39AM TAMPA.
10:45:41AM I HAVE A MAP FOR THE OVERHEAD.
10:45:43AM [ENCODER DROP]
10:45:55AM THIS IS THE PORTION LOOKING WEST FROM THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY.
10:46:15AM THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S HOME.
10:46:20AM THIS IS THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY.
10:46:23AM THIS IS IMPROVED.
10:46:24AM SO THAT'S LOOKING SOUTH ON DOUGLAS AND NORTH OF BRADDOCK.
10:46:29AM THAT PART IS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST.
10:46:30AM THEN I BROUGHT THE PLAT OVER JUST TO SHOW YOU THE PART BEING
10:46:35AM REQUESTED TO BE VACATED IS THIS ALLEY.
10:46:38AM THIS IS 10 FEET.
10:46:39AM THE NORTH-SOUTH, WHATEVER REASON, THEY PLATTED IT AT 15.
10:46:42AM THERE IS A WIDTH DIFFERENCE THERE.
10:46:45AM NO OBJECTIONS FROM STAFF ON THIS.
10:46:49AM AND EASEMENTS FOR WASTEWATER AND PICKUP HAVE BEEN REQUESTED.
10:46:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:46:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU PUT THAT LAST MAP UP THAT SHOWED
10:47:00AM THE CONTEXT OF THE PROPOSED VACATING?
10:47:04AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THE PLAT?
10:47:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO HERE AT LEAST IN REGARD TO BLOCKS ONE,
10:47:12AM TWO, AND THREE, ARE WE TO CONCLUDE THAT THOSE ARE ACTIVE AND
10:47:18AM OPEN ALLEYS?
10:47:22AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE STILL OPEN.
10:47:28AM THIS STREET IS VACATED.
10:47:35AM THESE ALLEYS HAVE BEEN VACATED SOUTH AND THEN TO THE EAST.
10:47:38AM AND THEN ONE TO THE NORTH.
10:47:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I LIKE THAT ONE.
10:47:43AM SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES, DO I TAKE IT LOTS 13 AND 14?
10:47:51AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
10:47:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IS THE BASIS AND JUSTIFICATION, THE
10:47:55AM REASON FOR?
10:47:56AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: WELL, IT STATES THAT THE ALLEY IS NOT IN
10:47:59AM USE.
10:47:59AM THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE VACATING.
10:48:00AM TO BE HONEST, THE GENTLEMAN THAT I WAS DEALING WITH ON THIS
10:48:04AM IS HISPANIC AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMUNICATION
10:48:06AM PROBLEM.
10:48:07AM SO I WAS TRYING TO GET THE BEST ANSWERS OUT OF HIM.
10:48:10AM TO BE HONEST, WHEN I WENT DOWN THIS ALLEY TO THE
10:48:14AM NORTH-SOUTH, I DIDN'T DO A GOOD PICTURE.
10:48:16AM THE FENCE LINES GO TO THE CORNERS OF 9 AND 28.
10:48:19AM YOU COULD GO DOWN IT POSSIBLY THIS WAY, EXCEPT FOR THE
10:48:23AM OVERGROWTH DOWN AT THIS END BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF OPEN HERE.
10:48:26AM WHEN YOU COME DOWN THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY, YOU COULDN'T TURN
10:48:29AM INTO THE ALLEY.
10:48:31AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS IS AN UNUSUAL ALLEY BECAUSE IT
10:48:34AM DOESN'T POP OUT AT ARMENIA LIKE A TYPICAL ALLEY DOES IT POPS
10:48:39AM OUT IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
10:48:42AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: IT POPS OUT TO THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY THAT
10:48:45AM IS IMPROVED.
10:48:45AM TO TRY AND GO DOWN, MAKE A TURN IN BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY
10:48:49AM FENCED, WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO, IT WOULD BE HARD TO
10:48:52AM USE IT OFTEN.
10:48:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN
10:48:56AM EXCEPTION.
10:48:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
10:48:58AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:48:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: ANOTHER NEWBIE QUESTION.
10:49:01AM WHY WOULD THE CITY NOT PAVE AND MAINTAIN ALLEYS?
10:49:06AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: WELL, THAT'S MORE OF A TRANSPORTATION
10:49:08AM ISSUE.
10:49:09AM IF IT WASN'T -- A LOT OF THESE ALLEYS ARE IN OLD PLATS WHERE
10:49:13AM THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:49:15AM IF THESE WERE PLATTED TODAY, THE STREETS AND ALLEYS WOULD AS
10:49:18AM PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE
10:49:21AM IMPROVED.
10:49:22AM YOU HAVE A LOT OF OLD PLATS THAT WERE DRAWN UP AND THEN NOT
10:49:27AM NECESSARILY THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
10:49:28AM THEY HAVE -- A GOOD EXAMPLE, PORT TAMPA.
10:49:31AM THEY DIDN'T BUILD ANY OF THE ROADS IN PORT TAMPA.
10:49:33AM NOW LATER ON PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND BUILDING ROADS.
10:49:36AM BUT IT'S VERY COSTLY.
10:49:37AM SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY -- YOU KNOW, PAVING
10:49:42AM AN ALLEY TO CITY STANDARDS COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
10:49:46AM >>BILL CARLSON: AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THIS IN A WORKSHOP,
10:49:46AM BUT HAVE YOU HAD AN INSTANCE WHERE NEIGHBORS CAME TO YOU AND
10:49:49AM SAID OUR ALLEY LOOKS LIKE THIS, PLEASE PAVE IT FOR US AND
10:49:53AM MAINTAIN IT?
10:49:54AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THEY GENERALLY WOULDN'T COME TO ME.
10:49:57AM THEY WOULD GO TO TRANSPORTATION.
10:49:57AM I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE, IF THEY WANT IT PAVED, THEY
10:49:59AM WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDS.
10:50:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:50:05AM ANYTHING ELSE?
10:50:05AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 62?
10:50:13AM >> HI.
10:50:14AM MY NAME IS DIANE VALDEZ.
10:50:17AM I LIVE IN THE HOUSE ON BRADDOCK.
10:50:20AM I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
10:50:24AM COULD SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT VACATING THE ALLEY MEANS.
10:50:27AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
10:50:28AM I'M HERE BECAUSE IT INVOLVES ME IN SOME WAY, AND I DON'T
10:50:31AM KNOW HOW.
10:50:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU PROBABLY GOT THE NOTICE LETTER.
10:50:36AM >> I DID.
10:50:40AM >> COULD YOU PULL UP THE MAP SO WE CAN ALL SEE?
10:50:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE SHE CAN POINT OUT HER HOUSE ON THE
10:50:49AM OVERHEAD, IF SHE'S INCLINED.
10:50:53AM >> I'M ON BRADDOCK.
10:50:55AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BASICALLY BEHIND HER HOUSE, REMARKABLY,
10:50:59AM EVERYONE HAS PUT THE FENCE LINES ON THEIR PROPERTY LINES FOR
10:51:01AM THE MOST PART.
10:51:02AM YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A SPACE.
10:51:05AM THAT SPACE IS 10 FEET WIDE.
10:51:07AM CURRENTLY, THAT IS A PUBLICLY PLATTED ALLEY.
10:51:09AM SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERLYING INTEREST IN IT BUT YOU CAN'T USE
10:51:13AM IT BECAUSE IT IS PUBLICLY DEDICATED.
10:51:15AM WHAT HAPPENS, IF THIS GETS VACATED, IT WILL REVERT TO THE
10:51:20AM ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS -- THE NEW PROPERTY LINE WILL BE
10:51:23AM THE CENTER LINE OF THAT ALLEY AND YOU WILL GAIN FIVE FEET.
10:51:27AM THERE WILL BE AN EASEMENT RESERVE, SO YOU CAN'T PUT A
10:51:30AM STRUCTURE IN THERE.
10:51:31AM YOU CAN FENCE IT BUT CAN'T PUT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
10:51:34AM IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR BACKYARD AND EASIER FOR YOU TO
10:51:36AM MAINTAIN --
10:51:38AM >> WHY WOULDN'T I WANT TO DO THAT, THOUGH?
10:51:40AM >> I DON'T KNOW.
10:51:40AM [ LAUGHTER ]
10:51:42AM >> ALL RIGHT.
10:51:43AM I'M GLAD I SHOWED UP.
10:51:44AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU GET A PRIZE.
10:51:46AM EVERYBODY GETS A PRIZE.
10:51:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:51:48AM ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 62?
10:51:51AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:51:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
10:51:54AM DINGFELDER.
10:51:54AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:51:56AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:51:57AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:51:58AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TAKING ITEM -- WE'LL
10:52:08AM COME BACK.
10:52:09AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH ITEM 62?
10:52:12AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BASED ON THE FACT IT
10:52:15AM DEAD-ENDS INTO ANOTHER ALLEY AND REALLY IS NOT ABLE TO BE
10:52:19AM DRIVEN ON, EVEN IF WE PAVEED IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'LL GO
10:52:23AM AHEAD AND MOVE THIS ORDINANCE FOR PETITION VAC 19-17 BEING
10:52:29AM PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
10:52:31AM AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND
10:52:33AM ABANDONING THE EAST/WEST PORTION OF ALLEYWAY/RIGHT-OF-WAY
10:52:38AM LYING SOUTH OF DOUGLAS STREET, NORTH OF BRADDOCK STREET,
10:52:41AM EAST OF TAMPANIA AVENUE AND WEST OF ARMENIA AVENUE IN WINTON
10:52:45AM PARK, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
10:52:48AM COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
10:52:52AM SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT, RESERVATIONS,
10:52:55AM COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY
10:52:58AM DESCRIBED HEREIN -- EXCUSE ME, MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
10:53:02AM HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:53:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:53:05AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:53:07AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:53:08AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:53:10AM >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIR, MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING
10:53:14AM NO.
10:53:14AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON JUNE 27th, 2019 AT
10:53:18AM 9:30 A.M.
10:53:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:53:20AM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 63.
10:53:23AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
10:53:25AM COORDINATION.
10:53:27AM THIS REQUEST IS IN SOUTH TAMPA AT GANDY SUN BAY
10:53:32AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:53:32AM I HAVE A MAP FOR THE OVERHEAD.
10:53:34AM APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO VACATE THE REMAINDER OF AN ALLEY
10:53:43AM THAT THE EAST HALF WAS PREVIOUSLY VACATED IN 2002.
10:53:47AM SOUTH OF WISCONSIN, NORTH OF IOWA, AND RUNS BETWEEN CHURCH
10:53:50AM AND DALE MABRY.
10:53:51AM THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PETITIONED IN 2002.
10:54:04AM I THINK THE REASON AT THE TIME THIS WAS ONLY PARTIALLY
10:54:08AM VACATED WAS BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME USE OF THIS.
10:54:12AM I DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, AND SHE SAID THEY ARE
10:54:15AM NOT USING IT ANYMORE.
10:54:17AM SO SHE WENT AHEAD AND FILED THE APPLICATION.
10:54:20AM THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS INTERESTING.
10:54:22AM THIS IS CHURCH AVENUE.
10:54:24AM THIS IS UNIMPROVED.
10:54:25AM SO THIS PIECE OF ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED ALLEY OFF AN UNIMPROVED
10:54:31AM STREET TO A DEAD END.
10:54:33AM THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST FROM CHURCH STREET TOWARD THE
10:54:39AM DEAD END, AND THIS IS CHURCH STREET WHERE THE ALLEY EXITS
10:54:45AM ONTO, THE OPEN PART.
10:54:47AM AND THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND LOOKING SOUTH ON
10:54:54AM WISCONSIN.
10:54:56AM I BROUGHT THE ORIGINAL PLAT OVER SO YOU COULD SEE.
10:55:00AM THIS IS THE ALLEY IN YELLOW AND THE PART THAT'S BADLY
10:55:03AM CROSSHATCHED IS THE PART THAT WAS VACATED PREVIOUSLY.
10:55:07AM AND THEN THIS IS THE -- JUST A LITTLE SNAPSHOT SO MANY
10:55:11AM ALLEYS OVER HERE HAVE BEEN CLOSED.
10:55:13AM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST.
10:55:16AM THEY WOULD WANT AN EASEMENT FOR WASTEWATER AND TECO.
10:55:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:55:22AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:55:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. LYNCH, IF YOU GO BACK TO MAYBE SOME
10:55:26AM OF YOURS PHOTOGRAPHS -- TWO QUESTIONS.
10:55:30AM DID YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND TRAIPSE AROUND AND TAKE THESE
10:55:33AM PHOTOS?
10:55:33AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
10:55:35AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HOPE YOU HAVE HIGH BOOTS FOR THAT.
10:55:37AM BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, SOMETIMES YOU SEE THESE ALLEYS AND,
10:55:41AM FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THIS ONE IS NOT MORE OVERGROWN, WHERE
10:55:46AM PEOPLE USE THEM TO PULL A CAR INTO THEIR BACKYARD OR PULL A
10:55:52AM BOAT INTO THEIR BACKYARD OR A CAMPER WITH A GATE AND THAT
10:55:56AM SORT OF THING.
10:55:57AM DID YOU SEE ANY INDICATION OF GATES?
10:56:00AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: NO.
10:56:01AM TO BE HONEST, I DID NOT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ALLEY.
10:56:03AM I WAS BY MYSELF.
10:56:05AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SEEING SOMEBODY AGAINST THE WALL
10:56:08AM NODDING HER HEAD.
10:56:09AM WE MIGHT HEAR A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
10:56:12AM THE PETITIONER, HIM OR HERSELF OVER THERE, HOW FAR BACK INTO
10:56:18AM THIS IS THAT PETITIONER?
10:56:24AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THEY ARE AT THE DEAD END.
10:56:25AM HERE'S WHERE THE PART WAS VACATED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEY ARE
10:56:30AM --
10:56:30AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARGUABLY, JUST AS LONG AS YOU'RE AT THE
10:56:33AM PODIUM, ARGUABLY, WE COULD VACATE THAT ONE 10- OR 15-FOOT
10:56:43AM SECTION BEHIND THE PETITIONER WITHOUT VACATING THE ENTIRE
10:56:46AM REMAINING SEGMENT IF THERE WAS A COMPELLING REASON, CORRECT?
10:56:50AM >> WELL, THAT'S MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION BECAUSE I DID --
10:56:54AM THAT'S ONE OF THE -- MS. POYNOR CAME TO ME AND SAID SHE
10:57:00AM THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE OPPOSITION.
10:57:02AM SHE REALLY SAID SHE DIDN'T CARE.
10:57:04AM SHE WANTED THIS PIECE DONE, IF IT CAME TO THAT, BECAUSE SHE
10:57:09AM JUST WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEHIND HER HOUSE.
10:57:12AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTICED FOR MORE, WOULD BE DOING LESS.
10:57:14AM I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENOTICED.
10:57:17AM >> WHEN IT'S LESS YOU CAN DO THAT.
10:57:20AM IN THE PAST WE WOULD DO THAT.
10:57:22AM SAY OKAY, WE WANT TO DO JUST PART OF IT.
10:57:24AM NOW THERE ARE ISSUES WITH TRANSPORTATION WANTING TO LOOK AT
10:57:27AM THIS AGAIN AND TURNAROUND ISSUES WHICH DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF
10:57:30AM SENSE BECAUSE IT IS UNIMPROVED.
10:57:32AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S SEE WHERE IT GOES.
10:57:35AM I WANTED TO SEE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IF WE SHRANK DOWN
10:57:38AM THE REQUEST, THEN MAYBE EVERYBODY COULD BE HAPPY.
10:57:42AM >> IN THE PAST WE HAVE REDUCED GOING TO A PARTIAL VACATION.
10:57:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:57:50AM MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
10:57:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY EYEBROWS ARE STARTING TO RAISE WITH THE
10:57:58AM ALLEYS NOW.
10:57:59AM COULD YOU PUT THE PHOTO UP WITH THE ALLEYWAY?
10:58:08AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THE OVERALL?
10:58:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE DEBRIS AND OVERGROWTH IN THE ALLEYWAY.
10:58:17AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THIS ONE?
10:58:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
10:58:18AM THE ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH.
10:58:20AM IT JUST RAISES QUESTIONS TO ME.
10:58:27AM I LOOK AT THESE ALLEYWAYS NOW, WHAT IS THE CITY'S
10:58:30AM RESPONSIBILITY OR THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
10:58:34AM ALLEYWAYS.
10:58:35AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: IN TERMS OF KEEPING THEM MOWED?
10:58:39AM ABUTTING OWNERS.
10:58:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL.
10:58:43AM WE DON'T HAVE CODE GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE ALLEYWAYS.
10:58:46AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: CODE WILL GO OUT AND LOOK AT THEM AND
10:58:49AM REPORT IF THEY ARE OVERGROWN OR FENCED.
10:58:52AM THEY'LL CITE THE OWNERS BECAUSE BY CODE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE
10:58:54AM FOR THE PART THAT YOU ABUT TO THE CENTER LINE, TO KEEP IT
10:58:58AM CLEAN, MOWED, TRIMMED UP.
10:59:04AM YOU DO IT IN THE FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY, TOO.
10:59:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
10:59:13AM NOT DOING OR WHAT WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO TO KEEP THE
10:59:19AM BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CITY UP.
10:59:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I ASSUME WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEW BUSINESS
10:59:25AM TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A WORKSHOP.
10:59:28AM >> PROBABLY BEST.
10:59:28AM >>BILL CARLSON: SO YOU SAID THAT PART OF THIS VACATED
10:59:33AM ALREADY.
10:59:33AM IS THAT A STANDARD JUSTIFICATION FOR VACATING THE REMAINDER
10:59:37AM OF AN ALLEY?
10:59:38AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: NO.
10:59:39AM BUT WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH WITH A DEAD ENDED ALLEY IN TERMS
10:59:43AM OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
10:59:44AM I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON IT.
10:59:47AM I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
10:59:50AM THAT'S WHY ACTUALLY CODE REQUIRES WHEN YOU DO GO TO VACATE
10:59:54AM AN ALLEY YOU ASK FOR THE WHOLE THING.
10:59:57AM WE WON'T TAKE A PARTIAL VACATE OF THE ALLEY BECAUSE IT
11:00:00AM DOESN'T NO GOOD TO HAVE -- IT DOES NO GOOD TO HAVE HALF OF
11:00:04AM IT CLOSED.
11:00:05AM THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, DID PARTIALS AND THINGS LIKE
11:00:08AM THAT.
11:00:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
11:00:12AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:00:13AM IS THE APPLICANT HERE?
11:00:14AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
11:00:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR SAY ANYTHING?
11:00:21AM >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR, 7709 LAND CARE LANE IN SOUTH
11:00:27AM TAMPA.
11:00:27AM WE PURCHASED THIS HOUSE IN AUGUST OF 2016.
11:00:32AM WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, WE HAD A TREE THAT WAS ON THE
11:00:36AM EASEMENT THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED.
11:00:38AM IT RIPPED THE FENCE DOWN.
11:00:39AM IT COST ME $500 TO HAVE MY TREE GUYS GO BACK THERE WITH A
11:00:44AM BOBCAT TO REMOVE THE TRASH FROM THE EASEMENT.
11:00:47AM THE EASEMENT IS CURRENTLY FENCED ON FOUR SIDES AND HAS BEEN
11:00:58AM FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.
11:00:59AM WHEN THE CITY VACATED THAT EASEMENT TO THE APARTMENTS NEXT
11:01:01AM DOOR IN 2003, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OWNERS
11:01:06AM ON THE ALLEYWAY THAT DO HAVE -- USE THAT FOR ACCESS.
11:01:09AM I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN BECAUSE I TOOK PICTURES ON APRIL THE
11:01:12AM 15th AND I TOOK VIDEO YESTERDAY.
11:01:15AM THERE ARE WEEDS BACK THERE THAT ARE TALLER THAN I AM.
11:01:19AM WHEN SHE TOOK THE PICTURES, THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED IN THE
11:01:22AM LAST TWO MONTHS.
11:01:23AM THE FOLKS -- I'M SORRY.
11:01:27AM HOW DO WE TURN THE PROJECTOR ON?
11:01:29AM YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
11:01:34AM I OWN PROPERTY NUMBER 8.
11:01:36AM I HAVE A STATEMENT FROM PROPERTY OWNER NUMBER 17, WHO IS IN
11:01:40AM THE SAME BOAT I AM.
11:01:42AM WE ARE GARBAGE CLEANUP CREW.
11:01:45AM AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE BEEN STANDING IN MY BACKYARD
11:01:47AM WATCHING BOTTLES FLY OVER THE BRICK WALL THAT IS ON THE SIDE
11:01:51AM OF MY PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE, WHERE THE APARTMENT OWNERS
11:01:56AM ARE NEGLIGENT IN HAVING THE GARBAGE PICKED UP ON A REGULAR
11:02:00AM BASIS.
11:02:00AM HONESTLY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST OF THE ALLEYWAY.
11:02:05AM WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE PROPERTY BEHIND MY HOUSE.
11:02:08AM I CANNOT PROPERLY UPKEEP IT.
11:02:10AM I HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES WITH THEM.
11:02:12AM I HAVE REPORTED THEM TO THE CITY SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST
11:02:14AM COUPLE OF YEARS.
11:02:16AM IF SOMEBODY WAS USING IT, I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT THIS PROPERTY
11:02:22AM IS A NUISANCE.
11:02:23AM I CALLED THE CITY THEN.
11:02:25AM I CAME BACK AND I DID APPLY FOR THIS.
11:02:32AM I UNDERSTAND FOLKS MAY USE THE ALLEYWAY OCCASIONALLY.
11:02:34AM THE FOLKS FROM NUMBER 11 AND NUMBER 12 ARE HERE.
11:02:37AM THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD
11:02:39AM VAGRANTS BACK THERE.
11:02:41AM VANDALISM BACK THERE.
11:02:43AM PEOPLE WANT TO GO BACK THERE AND HIDE AND DO DRUGS.
11:02:48AM MY LITTLE PIECE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S ALL I HONESTLY CARE
11:02:51AM ABOUT.
11:02:51AM BUT WHEN THEY VACATED IN 2003, IT CREATED A PROBLEM CALLED,
11:02:58AM WE HAVE FILTH.
11:02:59AM I HAVE VIDEO ON MY PHONE OF THE TRASH FROM YESTERDAY,
11:03:02AM BECAUSE I WENT OUT THERE AND VIDEOTAPED OVER THE TOP OF MY
11:03:06AM FENCE.
11:03:06AM IF I HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE MY FENCE
11:03:12AM TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT SHOULD BELONG TO ME
11:03:15AM IF I HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE IT CLEANED UP.
11:03:19AM FOR THIS POOR YOUNG LADY WHO BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND IT'S HER
11:03:23AM VERY FIRST HOME, SHE'S ACTUALLY PICKED UP GARBAGE.
11:03:26AM SHE TOLD ME, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE PICKING UP EVERY TIME I
11:03:29AM HAVE A CHANCE.
11:03:30AM SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT HER FENCE BACK THERE AND BE ABLE
11:03:34AM TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA AND IT BELONGED TO HER IF SHE'S
11:03:38AM EXPECTED TO BE DOING THE WORK.
11:03:39AM LIKE I SAID, THESE FOLKS, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO
11:03:46AM SPEAK TO YOU.
11:03:47AM ALL I CARE ABOUT IS BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN MY PROPERTY IN
11:03:50AM SUCH A WAY THAT'S PRESENTABLE, THAT I CAN PROVIDE NICE
11:03:54AM HOUSING FOR FOLKS AND REASONABLE HOUSING.
11:03:55AM THAT'S WHAT I DO.
11:03:56AM I'M A LANDLORD AND THIS IS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
11:03:59AM I PROVIDE GOOD HOUSING FOR FOLKS, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE
11:04:05AM ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BEHIND AND
11:04:07AM WORRY ABOUT FILTH AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF BECAUSE THIS
11:04:12AM PLACE WAS CORDONED OFF.
11:04:15AM HAD THEY NOT DONE THAT, THERE WOULDN'T BE A WALL TO THROW
11:04:19AM THINGS OVER.
11:04:19AM I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW YOU VIDEOS THAT I TOOK
11:04:24AM YESTERDAY OF THE PROPERTY.
11:04:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:04:25AM ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:04:27AM >> CAN I SUBMIT THIS LETTER FROM --
11:04:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU MAY GIVE IT TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY.
11:04:33AM I ASSUME COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THAT.
11:04:38AM ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:04:41AM ANYTHING FURTHER, MA'AM, YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON?
11:04:47AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:04:48AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 63?
11:04:52AM IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:04:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:04:55AM SUSANNA JOHNSON, REPRESENTING MR. AND MRS. JOHNSON,
11:04:59AM RESIDENTS AT 3816 WEST WISCONSIN AVENUE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS
11:05:03AM TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM THE APPLICANT'S RENTAL PROPERTY.
11:05:07AM MY PARENTS DO ACTUALLY USE THAT.
11:05:11AM IN THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE FLOOR TWO FREE-STANDING GARAGES,
11:05:14AM ONE THAT IS BIG ENOUGH TO FIT A VEHICLE.
11:05:17AM AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MENTIONED.
11:05:19AM THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION OF ACTUALLY RESTRICTING THAT,
11:05:22AM VACATING THAT ALLEYWAY BECAUSE THAT RESTRICTS THEIR ACCESS
11:05:26AM TO THE REMAINDER USE OF THEIR PROPERTY BACK THERE AND
11:05:29AM ALLOWING THEM TO BRING THE VEHICLE BACK IN THAT ALLEYWAY.
11:05:32AM I DID ALSO SPEAK WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO
11:05:36AM REDUCING THE APPLICATION AS ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY AND
11:05:40AM RESTRICTING IT TO JUST THE APPLICANT'S RENTAL PROPERTY SO
11:05:43AM LONG AS, AGAIN, THEY CAN STILL HAVE ACCESS TO MANEUVER LIKE
11:05:46AM THEY NEED TO FOR THE BACK.
11:05:50AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:05:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GO AHEAD, GUDES FIRST.
11:05:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAY THAT YOUR PARENTS HAVE GARAGES BACK
11:06:00AM THERE.
11:06:01AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
11:06:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S DRIVABLE THAT PORTION, WHERE THE
11:06:03AM PROPERTY IS, IT'S DRIVABLE?
11:06:05AM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING DRIVABLE?
11:06:08AM >> TO GET DOWN, I DO BELIEVE IT IS.
11:06:10AM MY DAD DRIVES A VERY LARGE TRUCK.
11:06:14AM YOU CAN PROBABLY DRIVE UP CHURCH FROM THE SOUTH END, IOWA,
11:06:18AM BLOCKED AT WISCONSIN.
11:06:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SHOW ME.
11:06:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS ONE IS 15 FEET OR 10 FEET?
11:06:28AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THIS IS THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE.
11:06:29AM THAT'S RIGHT AT THE ALLEY.
11:06:31AM THAT PART LOOKED THE MOST CLEAR.
11:06:35AM ACCORDING TO MS. JOHNSON, HER PROPERTIES ARE ON WISCONSIN 9
11:06:52AM AND 10.
11:06:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TWO QUESTIONS, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.
11:07:01AM >> JOHNSON.
11:07:04AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO LOOKING AT THIS AERIAL, YOU'RE TALKING
11:07:07AM ABOUT YOUR PARENTS HAVE NINE AND TEN.
11:07:09AM >> I DO BELIEVE SO, YES.
11:07:12AM JUST 10.
11:07:13AM THANK YOU.
11:07:14AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST 10.
11:07:15AM AND THEY HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK,
11:07:20AM CINDER BLOCK?
11:07:22AM >> YES.
11:07:23AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THERE AN OPENING THAT FACES THE ALLEY?
11:07:26AM >> FACES THE ALLEYWAY, YES.
11:07:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE USES IT PROBABLY NOT DAILY BUT USES IT
11:07:31AM PERIODICALLY.
11:07:32AM >> CORRECT.
11:07:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO GET HIS TRUCK IN AND OUT.
11:07:35AM >> CORRECT.
11:07:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT SEEING TRACKS IN THE
11:07:38AM ALLEY.
11:07:38AM >> THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.
11:07:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MIGHT JUST GO UP AND DOWN PERIODICALLY.
11:07:42AM >> RIGHT.
11:07:42AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS YOU TESTIFIED ON THEIR BEHALF, YOU
11:07:45AM HAVE NO OBJECTION IF WE VACATE BEHIND 8 AND 17.
11:07:48AM >> NO, LIKE I SAID, SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT -- WHATEVER
11:07:53AM VACATION DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR ACCESS TO GET BACK THERE,
11:07:57AM THEY DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION.
11:07:59AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:08:00AM BARBARA, TEN FOOT ALLEY OR 15?
11:08:04AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: THIS I THINK IS 20.
11:08:08AM I BELIEVE IT'S 20.
11:08:19AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND LET US KNOW.
11:08:28AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: I'LL HAVE TO CALL AND ASK.
11:08:30AM IT'S AT LEAST 15, IF NOT 20.
11:08:33AM ONE OF THE WIDER ALLEYS.
11:08:34AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:08:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
11:08:38AM GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:08:53AM >> HI.
11:08:53AM MY NAME IS JULIE INGRAM QUINN.
11:08:58AM MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 3820 WEST WISCONSIN AVENUE.
11:09:01AM I BELIEVE IT'S THE NUMBER 12.
11:09:04AM WE'RE AT THE END WHERE THE MAIN ROAD WOULD NORMALLY BE, BUT
11:09:08AM IT'S ALL GRASS, AND WE'RE RIGHT ON THAT CORNER WHERE THE
11:09:12AM ALLEY IS.
11:09:13AM MY PARENTS, ROBERT AND JUANITA INGRAM WERE THE ORIGINAL
11:09:18AM OWNERS, AND THEY BOUGHT IT IN 1965.
11:09:21AM I GREW UP IN THE HOME AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING
11:09:25AM THERE FOR THE LAST 14 YEARS.
11:09:27AM OUR FAMILY HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED BOTH THAT ROAD THAT THE
11:09:31AM CITY DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF AND THE ALLEY BEHIND IT.
11:09:34AM OVER THE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN COUNTLESS TIMES THAT THERE'S
11:09:38AM BEEN POLICE ACTION, HELICOPTERS FLYING OVER.
11:09:41AM THEY'VE HAD DOGS COMING OUT BECAUSE WHEN THERE'S ACTIVITY
11:09:45AM GOING IN THERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW YOU CAN GO DOWN THE
11:09:50AM ROAD THAT'S BY OUR HOUSE, THROUGH THE ALLEY AND THEN OVER TO
11:09:54AM IOWA.
11:09:55AM A LOT OF TIMES THEY WERE HEADING OVER TO THE APARTMENTS ON
11:09:58AM THE OTHER SIDE.
11:09:59AM REGULARLY, THERE'S BEEN TEENAGERS AND ADULTS.
11:10:06AM THEY GO BACK BEHIND OUR HOUSE AND THEY DO DRUGS AND LEAVE
11:10:11AM THEIR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
11:10:12AM WE HAVE TO PICK IT UP BECAUSE THERE ARE CHILDREN RUNNING
11:10:16AM AROUND IN THE AREA AND SOMETIMES THEY WALK THROUGH THERE,
11:10:19AM TOO.
11:10:20AM WHAT ELSE DID I WANT TO SAY?
11:10:26AM THERE'S BEEN HOMELESS PEOPLE ALSO.
11:10:28AM WE REGULARLY HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE BACK THERE.
11:10:30AM SOMETIMES THEY'LL CAMP OUT FOR ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, EITHER WE
11:10:34AM GO CLEAN IT UP OR THEY PICK UP THEIR STUFF AND MOVE BECAUSE
11:10:37AM WE HAVE THE POLICE COME AND SAY, YOU KNOW, PLEASE MOVE.
11:10:40AM WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS CLOSED.
11:10:43AM I REALIZE BACK A WAYS, THEY HAD PART OF THE ALLEY CLOSED,
11:10:48AM AND THAT WAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE
11:10:52AM HAD A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING GOING ON THAT HE NEEDED ACCESS
11:10:58AM TO HIS GARAGE.
11:10:59AM MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE NO LONGER HAS A BUSINESS, AND SO IT'S
11:11:03AM JUST HIS PERSONAL USE OVER THE REST OF US HAVING TO
11:11:09AM MAINTAIN.
11:11:10AM AS I SAID, ALL THESE YEARS, MOWING AND SPENDING OUR MONEY
11:11:14AM TAKING CARE OF THIS PROBLEM.
11:11:15AM IT WOULD BE SO GREAT TO HAVE THAT CLOSED.
11:11:19AM AND EVEN IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD THOSE PEOPLE HANGING AROUND
11:11:24AM BACK THERE CAUSE FIRES.
11:11:26AM WE'VE HAD OUR -- WE'VE HAD OUR GARAGE -- NOT OUR GARAGE, OUR
11:11:35AM BUILDING -- SHED IN THE BACK.
11:11:36AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:37AM THE SHED IN THE BACK BURNED DOWN, AND WE HAD TO BUILD
11:11:42AM ANOTHER ONE.
11:11:43AM AS I'M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU THAT IT IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM
11:11:49AM WITH HAVING PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AREA IN A NEGATIVE
11:11:52AM WAY.
11:11:52AM SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU WOULD GRANT US TO HAVE THE
11:11:57AM WHOLE ALLEYWAY CLOSED.
11:11:58AM THANK YOU.
11:12:00AM I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:12:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM.
11:12:04AM NEXT.
11:12:07AM >> HELLO.
11:12:08AM MY NAME IS BRIAN PEREZ.
11:12:10AM I AM RINA PEREZ'S SON.
11:12:13AM MY MOM AND DAD ARE RETIRED CUSTODIANS.
11:12:17AM THEY HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
11:12:18AM THEY USED TO LIVE IN WESLEY CHAPEL.
11:12:21AM MY WIFE AND I HAVE TWO KIDS.
11:12:25AM THEY WANTED TO MOVE CLOSER TO OUR KIDS SO THEY COULD BABY
11:12:28AM SIT.
11:12:28AM THEY MOVED TO SOUTH TAMPA, AND THEY PURCHASED 3818.
11:12:35AM THEY ARE RETIRED, AND THEY HAD TO GO BACK THERE PLENTY OF
11:12:37AM TIMES TO CLEAN UP AND MOW.
11:12:39AM THEY WOULD LIKE IT IF THAT PORTION, THAT ALLEY BECAME THEIRS
11:12:45AM AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD TO GO BACK THERE AND MOW AND
11:12:48AM CLEAN UP AS WELL.
11:12:49AM THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE AS LONG AS RICHARD, BUT THEY'VE
11:12:54AM OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
11:12:57AM SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK THERE AND CLEANED UP, TOO.
11:13:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:13:02AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:13:03AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIR, MS. LYNCH, COULD YOU PUT UP THE
11:13:07AM TIGHTER MAP.
11:13:08AM SIR, IF YOU COULD PERHAPS IDENTIFY WHERE YOUR FAMILY'S
11:13:11AM PROPERTY IS ON THAT ONE BY NUMBER.
11:13:15AM THE LAST LADY WHO WAS UP WAS PROPERTY 12.
11:13:25AM >> WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO RICHARDS.
11:13:27AM WE'RE NUMBER 10.
11:13:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 10 OR 11.
11:13:32AM >> 11, SORRY.
11:13:38AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS YOUR PROPERTY --
11:13:40AM >> MY MOM.
11:13:41AM SHE'S HERE.
11:13:41AM I'M SPEAKING ON HER BEHALF BECAUSE SHE ONLY SPEAKS SPANISH.
11:13:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:13:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:13:47AM GRACIAS.
11:13:48AM ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER
11:13:52AM 63?
11:13:53AM OKAY.
11:13:55AM DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO HAVE ANY REBUTTAL OR ANY
11:13:58AM ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS?
11:13:59AM YOU'VE GOT TO COME FORWARD FOR THAT AND STATE YOUR NAME,
11:14:05AM PLEASE.
11:14:05AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
11:14:09AM 7709 LAND CARE LANE.
11:14:13AM I'D LIKE TO HAVE MINE.
11:14:15AM THAT'S ALL.
11:14:15AM I THINK MS. KELSEY -- I FORGOT HER LAST NAME, WOULD LIKE TO
11:14:19AM HAVE -- IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING IT UP,
11:14:22AM THEN GIVE IT TO US.
11:14:23AM THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
11:14:25AM I CAN AGREE WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS.
11:14:29AM I'M NOT HERE TO CAUSE A CONTROVERSY.
11:14:31AM I'M HERE TO CURE A PROBLEM.
11:14:33AM THE FILTH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO POP MY PHONE OVER HERE AND
11:14:37AM SHOW YOU THE FILTH BEHIND MY FENCE, IF YOU LIKE.
11:14:40AM THAT IS MY PRIMARY GOAL IS TO GET IT TO WHERE WE CAN MANAGE
11:14:44AM IT.
11:14:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO ASSUMING THAT WE DO SOMETHING, AND
11:14:49AM ASSUMING WE VACATE, AT A MINIMUM BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S
11:14:54AM YOUR INTENTION FROM WHAT YOU TESTIFIED TO OR CORRECT ME IF
11:14:57AM I'M WRONG, THAT YOU WILL BUILD A FENCE BACK TO THE MIDDLE OF
11:15:01AM THE LINE AND FENCE IT OFF.
11:15:04AM >> YES, SIR.
11:15:04AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO THE MIDDLE --
11:15:06AM >> ACTUALLY, IT'S FENCED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BEHIND MY
11:15:08AM PROPERTY.
11:15:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT I'M SAYING, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE
11:15:11AM THAT FENCE AND PUT IT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY.
11:15:13AM >> YES, SIR, I WOULD.
11:15:14AM THAT WAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BEHIND THE FENCE.
11:15:17AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SOUNDS TO ME PERHAPS PROPERTY 17 ON THE
11:15:20AM OTHER SIDE WOULD DO THE SAME.
11:15:21AM >> WELL, SHE WOULD PROBABLY ENJOY THE FURNISHMENT OF MY
11:15:26AM FENCE INSTEAD OF BUILDING HER OWN.
11:15:27AM I HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE.
11:15:30AM SHE HAS A CHAIN-LINK.
11:15:31AM SHE IS MUCH YOUNGER --
11:15:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE ANY
11:15:36AM USE OF THE ALLEY WOULD BE BLOCKED.
11:15:38AM >> IT'S ALREADY BLOCKED, SIR.
11:15:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN TERMS OF BLOCKED WITH A FENCE.
11:15:42AM >> IT'S BLOCKED ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
11:15:44AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING
11:15:47AM THROUGH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
11:15:49AM >> BECAUSE THEY LIVE AT THE OTHER END.
11:15:51AM THEY LIVE AT NUMBER 12.
11:15:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S SAY SOMEBODY IS RUNNING AWAY FROM
11:15:55AM THE COPS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT NOW CAN THEY ONLY GO UP TO HOW
11:15:59AM FAR?
11:16:00AM >> THEY CAN GO TO THIS SIDE.
11:16:03AM BETWEEN 8 AND 9 BECAUSE THAT IS A SIX-FOOT-HIGH CHAIN-LINK
11:16:08AM FENCE.
11:16:08AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL
11:16:11AM UNDERSTOOD THAT.
11:16:13AM THANK YOU.
11:16:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:16:16AM ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
11:16:18AM THANK YOU.
11:16:20AM DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:16:21AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:16:24AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:16:26AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:16:27AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:16:29AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING ITEM 63,
11:16:34AM SIR?
11:16:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
11:16:37AM CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING
11:16:39AM AND ABANDONING A CERTAIN PORTION OF AN ALLEYWAY/RIGHT-OF-WAY
11:16:43AM LYING SOUTH OF WISCONSIN AVENUE, NORTH OF IOWA AVENUE, EAST
11:16:46AM OF CHURCH STREET AND WEST OF DALE MABRY HIGHWAY IN INTERBAY,
11:16:50AM A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
11:16:53AM FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1,
11:16:56AM HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT, RESERVATIONS,
11:16:59AM COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY SET
11:17:02AM FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:17:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:17:07AM A SECOND BY SORRY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:17:11AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE
11:17:16AM MOTION TO SPECIFICALLY LIMIT THE VACATING TO BEHIND
11:17:27AM PROPERTIES 8 AND 17.
11:17:30AM AND I DON'T KNOW FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IF THAT'S JUST
11:17:33AM GOING TO BE -- THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT EXHIBIT OR A
11:17:36AM DIFFERENT DESCRIPTION OR WHAT, BUT I THINK MY AMENDMENT --
11:17:41AM OR MY MOTION -- MY MOTION IS PRETTY CLEAR.
11:17:45AM IT'S BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD. NUMBER ONE,
11:17:49AM THE PETITIONER ONLY CARED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT VACATING HER --
11:17:54AM THE PROPERTY BEHIND HER ALLEY.
11:17:56AM THIS ONE IS UNUSUAL.
11:17:58AM IT'S UNUSUAL BECAUSE BACK IN 2002, I'M GLAD TO SAY I WAS NOT
11:18:03AM ON THE COUNCIL BACK IN 2002, THAT COUNCIL VACATED PART OF
11:18:08AM THE ALLEY.
11:18:09AM THAT CREATES ISSUES.
11:18:10AM IT'S CREATED AN ISSUE HERE.
11:18:13AM BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH.
11:18:15AM NOW THE YOUNG LADY, MS. JOHNSON'S FAMILY, IN PROPERTY NUMBER
11:18:19AM 10, HER FATHER HAS A GARAGE AND HE ACCESSES IT PERIODICALLY
11:18:27AM AND HAS AN INVESTMENT, AND HE LIKES HAVING THE ABILITY TO GO
11:18:31AM UP AND DOWN THERE PERIODICALLY AND GET TO HIS WORK SPACE TO
11:18:36AM USE THAT.
11:18:37AM I THINK WE SHOULD RESPECT THAT AS MUCH AS WE RESPECT THE
11:18:40AM PETITIONER'S REQUEST AS WELL, AS MUCH AS WE RESPECT THE
11:18:44AM FOLKS ON THE CORNER, AND I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT TO THE
11:18:46AM FOLKS IN NUMBER 12.
11:18:48AM BUT WE HAVE TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT.
11:18:51AM AND I THINK THAT BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY, I'D LIKE TO
11:18:55AM OFFER, I HOPE, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO LIMIT
11:19:02AM THE VACATING TO THE PROPERTY BEHIND 8 AND 17 ONLY.
11:19:06AM I'M LOOKING FOR A FRIENDLY SECOND.
11:19:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'LL GET LEGAL, DOES THAT PASS LEGAL MUSTER,
11:19:16AM SO TO SPEAK?
11:19:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE ORDINANCE ON FIRST
11:19:20AM READING?
11:19:22AM >> SINCE YOU'RE DIMINISHING THE ORIGINAL REQUEST -- JULIE
11:19:29AM HARDY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:19:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS WITH THE CHANGES TO BE MADE BETWEEN
11:19:34AM FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:19:36AM >>JULIE HARDY: YES.
11:19:38AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MAKER OF THE MOTION ACCEPTED AND
11:19:41AM SECONDED MY FRIENDLY.
11:19:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: WHO SECONDS THE UNIFIED MOTION?
11:19:46AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES WITH A FRIENDLY
11:19:48AM AMENDMENT BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
11:19:52AM MANISCALCO.
11:19:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:19:54AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:19:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:20:01AM TRUST BUT VERIFY, ESPECIALLY WHEN DO HORSE RACING.
11:20:06AM I DON'T MIND VOTING TODAY, BUT I'M GOING TO GO TAKE MY TIME
11:20:10AM AND GO LOOK AT THE ALLEY AND TAKE MY PICTURES AND DO
11:20:12AM EVERYTHING I CAN DO SO I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
11:20:17AM THANK YOU.
11:20:18AM >>THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON --
11:20:23AM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:20:24AM [INAUDIBLE]
11:20:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:20:25AM NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 64 AND COUNCILMAN CITRO, I THINK, HAS A
11:20:28AM STATEMENT ON THIS.
11:20:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:20:30AM HAVING BEEN PARTY OF THE REVIEW BOARD, I HAVE TO HAVE RECUSE
11:20:32AM MYSELF FROM THIS, AND I WILL BE FILING A FORM 8-B.
11:20:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:20:40AM >> 8-B.
11:20:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: NOW WE GO TO -- YES, SIR?
11:20:45AM TO ITEM 64.
11:20:47AM GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:20:47AM >> THANK YOU.
11:20:52AM >>KRISTIN MORA: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:21:25AM YOU HAVE JUST BEEN HANDED A LOT OF PAPERWORK.
11:21:28AM I WILL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH IT VERY QUICKLY.
11:21:31AM THIS IS -- JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE RECORD, I REVIEWED THESE
11:21:36AM MINUTES FROM THIS MEETING BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:21:39AM COUNCILMAN CITRO WAS A VRB MEMBER ON THAT AT THAT POINT.
11:21:44AM SO HE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF.
11:21:47AM MR. DINGFELDER, I REVIEWED IT AND YOU WERE NOT AT THAT
11:21:50AM HEARING.
11:21:51AM SO YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS.
11:21:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS AN ALTERNATE BUT I DON'T THINK I
11:21:58AM WAS THERE THAT NIGHT.
11:22:00AM SO THEREFORE THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO RECUSE.
11:22:03AM CORRECT?
11:22:04AM >>KRISTIN MORA: CORRECT.
11:22:05AM ALL RIGHT.
11:22:05AM SO I AM GOING TO KNOW VERY QUICKLY GO OVER THE BASICS OF
11:22:10AM VARIANCES FOR OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, SINCE THIS IS THE
11:22:12AM FIRST ONE OF THESE YOU ARE SEEING.
11:22:14AM THIS IS AN APPEAL FROM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:22:17AM VARIANCE REVIEWED BOARD REVIEWED THIS AND MADE A DECISION
11:22:20AM BASED ON THE CODE CRITERIA, AND APPEALED TO YOU.
11:22:25AM WHEN IT'S REPEALED TO YOU, THIS IS A BRAND NEW HEARING.
11:22:28AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO REFER TO WHAT THE VRB DID.
11:22:33AM YOU CAN LOOK TO WHAT THEY DID, BUT THIS IS A BRAND NEW
11:22:36AM HEARING IN FRONT OF YOU.
11:22:38AM SO THE CONCEPT, THE VARIANCES UNDER OUR CODE -- UNDER OUR
11:22:48AM CODE, UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP OR DIFFICULTY.
11:22:51AM AND UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP IS DEFINED IN THE CASE LAW, AND IT
11:22:55AM IS SOMETHING THAT IS THAT RENDERS THE LAND VIRTUALLY
11:23:03AM IMPOSSIBLE TO USE IT FOR THE MANNER FOR WHICH IT HAS BEEN
11:23:06AM ZONED.
11:23:06AM SO TAKING OUT OF THAT, IT'S A CHARACTERISTIC OF A PROPERTY
11:23:12AM IN QUESTION, AND THIS IS WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT
11:23:15AM VARIANCES.
11:23:15AM IT IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT CAUSES THESE HARDSHIPS
11:23:20AM TO THE PERSON.
11:23:21AM AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE
11:23:25AM LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OR MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS ZONED.
11:23:29AM A LITTLE BIT MORE, DIFFICULTY, BUT THE CONCEPT BEHIND THESE
11:23:37AM ARE EVERYONE IN THE AREA GENERALLY IS PERMITTED TO DO
11:23:41AM SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S HAVE A POOL, OR A CARPORT, OR, YOU
11:23:45AM KNOW, A HOUSE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS LAND
11:23:49AM THAT IT NEVER ALLOWED THIS PERSON TO DO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
11:23:53AM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OTHERWISE ALLOWED TO DO.
11:23:59AM SO THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IS ALONG THE SAME LINE, WHEN THE
11:24:02AM CODE AS APPLIED UNREASONABLY DENSE THE PROPERTY OWNER THE
11:24:05AM ABILITY TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR A PERMITTED USE THAT OTHERS
11:24:11AM ARE GENERALLY ABLE TO DO.
11:24:13AM AGAIN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL CONDITIONS.
11:24:18AM SO CLASSIC EXAMPLE THAT YOU WILL SEE, YOU SEE HERE THERE'S A
11:24:22AM TRIANGULAR LOT, LIKE THAT CREATES A VERY UNUSUAL
11:24:27AM CIRCUMSTANCE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE TYPES OF UNUSUAL-SHAPED
11:24:30AM LOTS.
11:24:30AM THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE LOTS ARE PLATTED UNUSUALLY
11:24:33AM SMALL FOR THEIR DISTRICT.
11:24:36AM THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT THIS LOT OR A STRUCTURE ON
11:24:40AM THE PROPERTY.
11:24:41AM SOMETIMES YOU WILL SEE VARIANCES AS A RESULT OF A TREE.
11:24:44AM SO THERE'S SOMETHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS LOT THAT'S
11:24:47AM PREVENTING THIS PERSON FROM DOING WHAT ANYONE ELSE WOULD
11:24:50AM OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED TO DO.
11:24:53AM AND THIS DRAWING, HERE IS AN ACTUAL CASE.
11:24:59AM A LOT WAS VERY SMALL PONE AND IT WAS NOT DEVELOPABLE IN THE
11:25:05AM MANNER WHICH MOST PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO DEVELOP THE LOT, AND
11:25:10AM THE PERSON SAW A VARIANCE, BUT WHAT THE COURT SAID IS THAT
11:25:13AM ALL OF THESE LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION ARE THE SAME SIZE.
11:25:18AM THE FACT THAT THESE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL, AND NEEDED
11:25:22AM REDUCTION, SETBACK TO BUILD THE HOUSE YOU WANT TO BUILD,
11:25:25AM THAT IS A PROBLEM THESE COMMON TO ALL OF THE LOTS IN THIS
11:25:28AM AREA.
11:25:28AM AND THAT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF A VARIANCE.
11:25:30AM IN THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS -- AND THIS IS WHERE IT BECOMES
11:25:33AM VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF YOU, WHEN YOU SEE THESE REVIEW
11:25:36AM HEARINGS, WHEN YOU ARE SEEING REVIEW HEARINGS, A LOT OF THE
11:25:40AM SAME THING.
11:25:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW ONE THAT HAS COME UP, NOT IN THE RECENT
11:25:44AM PAST, FRONT PORCHES, A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEK A VARIANCE TO HAVE
11:25:50AM FRONT PORCHES.
11:25:51AM IT IS NOT REALLY THE SUBJECT OF A VARIANCE.
11:25:54AM THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO
11:25:57AM ADDRESS THROUGH LEGISLATIVE ACTION AMENDING THE ZONING CODE.
11:26:01AM SO IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
11:26:04AM PROPERTY, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL THAT SHOULD BE
11:26:06AM ALLOWED, IT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE
11:26:11AM PROCESS AND NOT THROUGH VARIANCES.
11:26:15AM SO THE CASE LAW, THE HARDSHIP CANNOT BE -- FOR EXAMPLE, ONE
11:26:22AM THAT COMES UP SOMETIMES, PEOPLE WILL BE SAY IT'S VERY
11:26:25AM EXPENSIVE FOR ME TO TAKE DOWN THE STRUCTURE THAT I BUILT
11:26:28AM ILLEGALLY.
11:26:30AM THAT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE HARDSHIP.
11:26:35AM AND ON THAT SAME CONCEPT THEY CAN'T BE A MERE ECONOMIC
11:26:39AM ADVANTAGE.
11:26:40AM THAT WOULD NOT BE A HARD.
11:26:41AM SHE AND THE HARDSHIP CANNOT BE PERSONAL.
11:26:43AM WE RECENTLY AMENDED OUR CODE, I THIS I IT WHATS LAST YEAR,
11:26:46AM TO ADD REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU
11:26:50AM HAVE PEOPLE OF THAT HAVE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, A WHEELCHAIR
11:26:53AM RAMP AND THEY DON'T HAVE ASSISTANCE OR THEY HAVE ASTHMA AND
11:26:59AM THEY NEED AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.
11:27:01AM SO WE AMENDED OUR CODE TO HAVE ALLOW PERSONAL THINGS TO BE
11:27:05AM DONE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WHEN THAT PERSON LEAVES THE
11:27:08AM PROPERTY IT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
11:27:10AM THOSE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS ARE PERSONAL.
11:27:12AM VARIANCES, ON THE OTHER HAND, RUN WITHIN THE LAND.
11:27:14AM AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU ARE REVIEWING THESE FOR THESE
11:27:18AM PARTICULAR PURPOSES YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S UNUSUAL
11:27:22AM ABOUT THE LAND BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED
11:27:25AM FOR ALL TIME, NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PERSON.
11:27:28AM ALL RIGHT.
11:27:29AM THAT'S A VERY SHORT VERSION OF VARIANCES.
11:27:31AM I CAN TALK ALL DAY ABOUT IT BUT IT'S WON'T.
11:27:34AM SO GOING OVER A COUPLE OF ITEMS
11:27:40AM ON THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, SO THIS WAS HEARD BY THE
11:27:45AM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:27:46AM THE BOARD DENIED THEIR REQUEST FOR A SETBACK REDUCTION.
11:27:49AM AND THE BASIS OF THAT, THEY FOUND THAN IT WAS A SELF-CREATED
11:27:54AM HARDSHIP.
11:27:55AM THIS IS IN THE PACKET FOR YOUR REFERENCE AND USE.
11:27:58AM AS WELL AS THESE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING.
11:28:07AM YOU CAN SEE THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE BY THE VARIANCE
11:28:10AM REVIEW BOARD.
11:28:11AM AGAIN WE ARE NOT BOUND BY. THIS IT'S JUST THERE INFORM YOUR
11:28:14AM INFORMATION AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
11:28:16AM YOU ALSO HAVE, IN THAT PACKET I PROVIDED YOU, A LITTLE
11:28:25AM OUTLINE OF HOW THESE REVIEW HEARINGS TYPICALLY WORK.
11:28:28AM THAT'S JUST THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE TO ASSIST YOU AS YOU GO
11:28:32AM THROUGH THIS HEARING.
11:28:46AM THESE ARE THE VARIANCE CRITERIA. THESE ARE THE CRITERIA
11:28:49AM THAT YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR TO DETERMINE IF THE VARIANCE IS
11:28:52AM CONSISTENT WITH THEM, OR IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT CONSISTENT
11:28:54AM WITH THEM.
11:28:56AM AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND THAT EACH OF THESE CRITERIA ARE
11:28:59AM MET.
11:28:59AM YOU DO HAVE TO REVIEW THEM ALL.
11:29:01AM BUT MAYBE ONE OF THEM SPEAKS MORE TO THIS PARTICULAR
11:29:04AM VARIANCE.
11:29:05AM ANOTHER ONE, THAT IS FINE, AND THEN JUST FOR YOUR
11:29:09AM EDIFICATION, THERE'S A TIME LIMIT OF TWO YEARS ON ALL THE
11:29:14AM VARIANCES.
11:29:14AM IF PEOPLE DON'T USE THE VARIANCES IN TWO YEARS IT GOES AWAY.
11:29:17AM SO THAT IS FOR YOUR GENERAL INFORMATION.
11:29:20AM THESE ARE THE POSSIBLE MOTIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE TODAY.
11:29:24AM YOU CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION WHICH WAS A DENIAL.
11:29:27AM YOU CAN OVERTURN THE BOARD DECISION AND APPROVE THE
11:29:29AM VARIANCE.
11:29:30AM OR IF YOU FIND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING FURTHER THAT NEEDS TO
11:29:33AM BE ADDED TO IT, YOU CAN ALSO REMAND TO THE BOARD.
11:29:38AM THOSE ARE THE AVAILABLE CONDITIONS THERE FOR YOUR USE.
11:29:42AM THAT IS ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
11:29:46AM I TURN IT OVER TO ERIC IT COULD THAN OH TO TELL YOU ABOUT
11:29:48AM THE FACTS OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
11:29:51AM ERIC COTTON.
11:29:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
11:29:58AM >>KRISTIN MORA: A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP, THE ONE WHERE IT
11:30:09AM BECOMES TRICKY IS IF SOMEONE DIVIDES THE LOT THEMSELVES.
11:30:12AM THAT BECOMES A REAL QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S
11:30:14AM SELF-CREATED.
11:30:15AM GENERALLY YOU ARE LOOKING AT, IS THEREBY SOMETHING UNUSUAL
11:30:17AM ABOUT THIS LOT OR A BUILDING ON THE LOT THAT IS CREATING THE
11:30:23AM PROBLEM?
11:30:26AM SITUATIONS WHERE IT MIGHT BE SELF-CREATED IS IF THEY HAVE
11:30:30AM BUILT SOMETHING WITHOUT THE CORRECT APPROVALS, IF THAT'S A
11:30:36AM PROBLEM, IF THEY HAVE BOXED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER, IN
11:30:39AM OTHER WORDS, IF THEY DEVELOPED THE ENTIRE LOT AND NOW THEY
11:30:42AM WANT ONE MORE THING.
11:30:45AM OVERBUILDING A LOT IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
11:30:47AM SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE DONE
11:30:49AM SOMETHING THAT HAS CAUSED THIS PROBLEM THAT THEY ARE FACING.
11:30:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:31:03AM >>ERIC COTTON: LAND DEVELOPMENT.
11:31:04AM PLANNING, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:31:08AM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF -- BECAUSE OF A DEATH IN THE FAMILY
11:31:14AM COULD NOT BE HERE THIS MORNING.
11:31:16AM THIS IS 177 CYPRUS AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
11:31:21AM PAUL AND KATHLEEN CALDARELLI.
11:31:28AM THEY WERE REPRESENTED BY ANTHONY SEVERINO.
11:31:31AM THE BOARD MOVED TO DENY THE REQUEST.
11:31:36AM THE CASE WAS THEN CONTINUED DUE TO INSUFFICIENT VOTE OF THE
11:31:40AM BOARD BECAUSE THERE WERE ONLY FIVE BOARD MEMBERS VERSUS
11:31:44AM SEVEN.
11:31:45AM THEY CAME BACK ON MARCH 12th.
11:31:47AM THEY AMENDED THEIR REQUEST FOR RELIEF, SAID THE ORIGINAL
11:31:52AM REQUEST WAS FROM FIVE FEET TO ONE FOOT, REQUESTED FROM 5
11:31:57AM FEET TO 3.4 FEET.
11:31:59AM SECTION 290.5, IS 5 FEET.
11:32:05AM THEY ALSO AGREED TO A CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD NOT INCREASE
11:32:07AM THE HEIGHT -- THE HEIGHT LIMITATION WOULD BE 15 FEET.
11:32:16AM THERE ARE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS.
11:32:17AM THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
11:32:21AM AT THE CORNER OF CYPRUS AVENUE.
11:32:24AM SPECIFICALLY THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.
11:32:28AM THE HOUSE AND THE POOL WERE BOTH BUILT TOGETHER IN 2018.
11:32:33AM THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IN 2017.
11:32:37AM THE POOL AND HOUSE WERE ALL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME FRAME.
11:32:43AM THIS IS A VIEW OF THE FRONT.
11:32:48AM THIS IS THE CORNER VIEW FROM BLANCA.
11:32:52AM AND IN THE PACKET I FOUND SOME PHOTOS WHICH I BELIEVE WERE
11:32:57AM SUBMITTED I BELIEVE AT THE HEARING.
11:33:02AM THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE POOL.
11:33:05AM AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THEIR SKIMMER BASKET.
11:33:09AM AND ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE SKIMMER BASKET.
11:33:16AM THIS IS A PICTURE, I BELIEVE, THIS IS FACING FROM THEIR
11:33:20AM PROPERTY, I BELIEVE A PICTURE OF THE TREES FACING TO THE
11:33:25AM NORTH, TO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM.
11:33:29AM IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM
11:33:31AM REGARDING THE CODE.
11:33:32AM >>CHAIRMAN: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
11:33:37AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. COTTON.
11:33:39AM IT APPEARED WITHOUT GETTING TOO SCIENTIFIC OR ANYTHING, IN
11:33:43AM THE SKIMMER PICTURES, IT APPEARED TO BE OAK LEAVES,
11:33:48AM SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER THAN THE MAGNOLIA.
11:33:51AM IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING?
11:33:55AM >>ERIC COTTON: YES.
11:33:55AM I MEAN, I AM NOT AN ARBORIST.
11:34:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE A MIXTURE OF THE MAGNOLIA ON THE
11:34:05AM RIGHT THERE, THE LARGER ONE, AND THEN PERHAPS SOME SMALLER
11:34:09AM LEAVES.
11:34:10AM I GUESS WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS IN THE ORIGINAL HEARING,
11:34:15AM DID THE SUBJECT COME UP ABOUT PRUNING BACK THE TREES THAT
11:34:19AM MIGHT BE CAUSING THIS?
11:34:21AM >>ERIC COTTON: THERE IS A LETTER OF OBJECTION IN THE PACKET
11:34:24AM WHICH I BELIEVE WAS IN THE HANDOUT I GAVE TO COUNCIL.
11:34:29AM FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:34:30AM THEY SAID THAT THEIR TREES, MAGNOLIA, GRAND OAK, WERE
11:34:34AM TRIMMED BACK, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO SAY THEY WENT PAST THE
11:34:39AM PROPERTY LINE ANOTHER FIVE FEET TO TRIM BACK THE TREES.
11:34:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE SUBJECT DID COME UP.
11:34:48AM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
11:34:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE?
11:34:51AM THANK YOU, SIR.
11:34:53AM APPLICANT.
11:34:53AM >> ANTHONY SEVERINO ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS, PAUL AND
11:35:09AM KATHLEEN CALLED A REALLY.
11:35:11AM I DO HAVE THE TWO DVDS FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING.
11:35:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:35:21AM SUBMIT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
11:35:21AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS FROM MR. COTTON'S
11:35:27AM PRESENTATION FIRST.
11:35:27AM THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO GO FROM FIVE FEET TO FOUR FEET ON
11:35:30AM ONE SECTION AND 57 FEET TO 3.4 FEET.
11:35:33AM IT WAS READ WRONG WHEN THEY DID THE APPLICATION AND WE
11:35:37AM ACTUALLY AMENDED IT AT THE FIRST HEARING TO CORRECT IT SO IT
11:35:41AM WAS ALWAYS 5 TO 4 AND 5 TO 3.4.
11:35:44AM THE OTHER THING, THE OBJECTION LETTER, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS
11:35:47AM THAT REAL BRIEFLY AS FAR AS PRUNING THE TREES BACK AND
11:35:50AM TRIMMING THEM.
11:35:51AM MY CLIENT DID HAVE A TREE COMPANY COME IN, TRIM THOSE TREES.
11:35:58AM DESPITE WHAT THE LETTER SAID, IT WAS ACTUALLY WITH THE
11:36:00AM NEIGHBOR'S APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO ONTO THEIR
11:36:02AM PROPERTY TO TAKE THE BUCKET TRUCKS TO TRIM THE TREES.
11:36:05AM SO THEY KNOCKED ON THEIR DOOR, ASKED TO GO BACK THERE AND
11:36:08AM CUT THEM AND THEY SAID YES.
11:36:10AM SO THOSE HAVE BEEN TRIMMED.
11:36:15AM NATURAL RESOURCES HAS ADVISED US THOSE CANNOT BE TRIMMED ANY
11:36:18AM FURTHER, OR IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THEY ARE GRAND OAKS AND
11:36:21AM MAGNOLIAS.
11:36:23AM AND SO JUST SOME BRIEF HISTORY, HOW WE GOT HERE.
11:36:28AM THE FIRST HEARING WAS FEBRUARY 12th.
11:36:31AM WE SUBMITTED EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE VARIANCE.
11:36:35AM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, MR. RIEMANN OBJECTED PRIMARILY
11:36:41AM BASED ON THE ARGUMENT THAT IT WOULD REDUCE THE VALUE OF HIS
11:36:43AM PROPERTY.
11:36:44AM THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE SUBMITTED TO THAT.
11:36:46AM WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY THAT IT WOULD
11:36:49AM INCREASE THE VALUE OR AT A MINIMUM MAINTAIN THE VALUE OF THE
11:36:53AM PROPERTY.
11:36:53AM THE BOARD HELD A DISCUSSION, AND ULTIMATELY THEY FOCUSED ON
11:36:57AM THE SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP ASPECT OF THIS ISSUE.
11:37:01AM AGAIN, THE BOARD WAS SPLIT, SO WE CAME BACK AGAIN, SUBMITTED
11:37:05AM ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE.
11:37:06AM THIS TIME, MR. RYAN HANDLED MR. GRANDOFF TO ARGUE ON THEIR
11:37:12AM BEHALF, AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES MR. GRANDOFF
11:37:15AM ABANDONED THE REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUE ARGUMENT AND
11:37:17AM REALLY FOCUSED ON THE SELF-CREATED HARM.
11:37:20AM AND THAT WAS ALL BASED ON ESSENTIALLY THE DATE THAT MY
11:37:23AM CLIENTS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
11:37:25AM I WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THERE, WHEN THEY
11:37:28AM PURCHASED IT, WHAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE WHEN THEY PURCHASED
11:37:31AM IT, AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT.
11:37:35AM THE BUILDER TB HOMES PURCHASED IT AS A SPEC HOME IN NOVEMBER
11:37:42AM 2015, THE HOME WENT ON THE MARKET IN ABOUT JUNE OF 2016, AT
11:37:45AM WHICH TIME WHEN IT WEPT ON THE MARKET THE HOUSE PLANS, THE
11:37:48AM HOME FOOTPRINT AND THE POOL FOOTPRINT WERE ALREADY PERMITTED
11:37:51AM IN PLACE.
11:37:52AM MY CLIENTS THEN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN APRIL 2017.
11:37:57AM THEY DID NOT DESIGN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME OR THE POOL.
11:38:01AM IT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
11:38:02AM SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES AT THE LAST HEARING WHAT WHERE
11:38:13AM IT WAS DENIED, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE DENIAL IS THAT THE
11:38:16AM APPLICANT BUILT THE HOME AND POOL IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION
11:38:18AM WAS THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE EXISTING TREES, ANY HARDSHIP OF THE
11:38:23AM TREES ARE SELF-CREATED.
11:38:25AM THAT'S NOT TRUE.
11:38:25AM THEY DIDN'T BUILD THE HOME THERE.
11:38:27AM THE BUILDER BUILT IT.
11:38:29AM THEY PURCHASED IT WITH THE POOL AND HOUSE ALREADY IN PLACE.
11:38:31AM AND TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THESE TREES ARE, MR. COTTON
11:38:40AM SHOWED -- WE ACTUALLY HAD DONE A SURVEY PRAYER TO THE SECOND
11:38:47AM HEARING.
11:38:47AM YOU CAN SEE THE THREE TREES IN QUESTION.
11:38:49AM THIS IS NUMBER ONE WHICH IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO
11:38:54AM THE NORTH.
11:38:55AM THE SECOND ONE IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
11:38:57AM THEN THE THIRD TREE IS SHARED BETWEEN MY CLIENT AND
11:39:01AM THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
11:39:05AM AND JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROBLEM AS
11:39:09AM IT PERTAINS TO MY CLIENT, THIS IS A GOOGLE EARTH, AND
11:39:16AM PRINTED IT YESTERDAY, AND YOU CAN SEE, THE FIRST THING YOU
11:39:22AM CAN SEE, THE LACK OF FOLIAGE AROUND THAT.
11:39:27AM IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THIS IS MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY.
11:39:30AM OKAY.
11:39:30AM THESE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE IN QUESTION AND ARE CAUSING
11:39:35AM QUITE FRANKLY AN UNTENABLE DAY TO DAY MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
11:39:40AM YOU IS A YOU THE PICTURES OF THE POOL SUCKERS, THE PICTURES
11:39:45AM OF THE POOL.
11:39:46AM WE TOOK PICTURES EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR A MONTH TO SHOW WHAT
11:39:48AM HAPPENED EVERY DAY EVEN THOUGH WE CLEANED IT EVERY DAY, HAD
11:39:51AM A POOL COMPANY COME ONCE A WEEK.
11:39:53AM YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE POOL.
11:39:58AM THE REST IS COVERED BY THESE TREES.
11:40:00AM THEY HAVE BEEN TRIMMED BACK SOME BUT IT DIDN'T ALLEVIATE THE
11:40:03AM PROBLEM.
11:40:07AM AND ALL OF THAT IS IN THE RECORD.
11:40:09AM I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S UNDISPUTED, ONE, THAT THE
11:40:12AM TREES ARE CAUSING THIS ISSUE ARE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY
11:40:14AM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WHICH IS SHARED BETWEEN MY CLIENT
11:40:17AM AND THE NEIGHBOR.
11:40:18AM AND TWO, THESE TREES ARE CONTINUALLY ON A DAILY BASIS
11:40:22AM DROPPING LEAVES AND DEBRIS IN THE POOL AND THAT MAKES AT
11:40:26AM NIGHT MAYOR TO CLEAN UP TO USE THE POOL.
11:40:28AM AND THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS FOR REQUESTING THIS VARIANCE
11:40:31AM TO PUT THE POOL SCREEN IN.
11:40:33AM AND A LITTLE HISTORY.
11:40:35AM THEY PREVIOUSLY LIVED ON DAVIS ISLAND AND HAD A POOL THAT
11:40:38AM HAD A SCREEN. THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE FOR THEM.
11:40:40AM BEFORE THAT THEY LIVED IN ATLANTA AND LONDON, AND DIDN'T
11:40:43AM HAVE A POOL SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THEY EXPECTED.
11:40:47AM YOU CAN SEE THE IDEA ON DAVIS ISLAND, MOST EVERYONE WANTS A
11:40:51AM POOL.
11:40:51AM THAT'S THE WAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT.
11:40:53AM UNFORTUNATELY, THEY JUST CAN'T DO THAT WITH THESE TREES.
11:40:55AM AND SO WE GET TO THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION,
11:41:02AM WHY IS THE NEIGHBOR OBJECTING TO THIS?
11:41:04AM THERE'S NO REAL IMPACT.
11:41:05AM THE PRACTICAL REALITY IS WE ARE ASKING 12 INCHES IN ONE
11:41:09AM PORTION AND 18 INCHES IN ANOTHER PORTION TO PUT A POOL
11:41:13AM SCREEN UP.
11:41:13AM OKAY.
11:41:14AM WE ARE NOT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SETBACK, TO THE
11:41:16AM PROPERTY LINE.
11:41:17AM WE ARE JUST HAVING ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT THE POOL SCREEN IN SO
11:41:22AM THEIR TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, THEY HAVE
11:41:25AM A FOOT, 18 INCHES, THEY CAN CLIMB UP ON THE SIDE F.THEY HAVE
11:41:29AM FRIENDS OVER, SAME THING.
11:41:30AM IT'S NOT TO BE ABLE TO WALK BACK THERE AND DO THINGS.
11:41:33AM IT'S JUST A LITTLE EXTRA ROOM FOR SAFETY PRECAUTION.
11:41:38AM THE CODE FOR POOLS IS FIVE FEET SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY
11:41:43AM LINE.
11:41:44AM AND THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE THE SAME THING FOR SCREEN
11:41:47AM ENCLOSURES.
11:41:47AM SO THEY BUY THE POOL FROM THE BUILDER, IT'S UP TO CODE, AND
11:41:51AM THEY FIND OUT THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY WANT TO PUT A SCREEN
11:41:54AM IN, AND THEN THEY BASICALLY ARE LEFT WITH INCHES TO DO THAT
11:41:57AM IF THEY EVEN HAVE THAT.
11:41:58AM SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THE 18 INCHES AND 12 INCHES.
11:42:08AM LIKE I SAID, WE TRIED TO MITIGATE THIS ISSUE, TRIM THE
11:42:12AM TREES.
11:42:13AM WE TRADE THE CREEPY CRAWLER, THE LEAVES BASICALLY BURNT IT
11:42:18AM UP BECAUSE THEY WERE SO BIG GETTING IN THERE.
11:42:20AM THEY CLEAN IT DAILY.
11:42:22AM THEY HAVE A POOL COMPANY COME. THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY
11:42:25AM REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE WE HAVE LEFT.
11:42:27AM AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY PERFORM A
11:42:33AM BALANCING TEST HERE OF BALANCING THE HARDSHIP, WHICH IS
11:42:39AM REALLY UNREFUTED HERE, VERSUS THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBOR,
11:42:42AM WHICH THERE IS SOME REAL OR PRACTICAL IMPACT.
11:42:44AM WHETHER IT'S FIVE FEET OR FOUR FEET, IT'S GOING TO BE THE
11:42:48AM EXACT SAME THING AS IT PERTAINS TO THE APRON.
11:42:53AM FINALLY, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE, IS
11:42:57AM THE VARIANCE THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED IS CONSISTENT WITH
11:43:02AM PREVIOUS VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT ARE APPROVALS BY THE
11:43:05AM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:43:07AM AND EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ADDRESSED TODAY IS IN THE RECORD.
11:43:10AM AND I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS VARIANCE REVIEW
11:43:13AM BOARD DECISIONS, AND I GOT ALSO FROM THE RECORD THAT ARE
11:43:17AM NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE IN VRB 19-26
11:43:22AM AND WERE APPROVED.
11:43:24AM VRB 08-101, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD
11:43:29AM SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO ZERO FEET, AND REDUCE THE EAST
11:43:33AM SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE TO ZERO FEET TO ALLOW FOR POOL
11:43:37AM SCREENING.
11:43:38AM THE APPLICANT ARGUED THAT THE EXISTING TREE CAP OPEN I IS
11:43:41AM CAUSING THE PARTIAL HARDSHIP.
11:43:43AM THE VARIANCE WAS APPROVED 6 TO 1.
11:43:46AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE WAS THIS?
11:43:48AM >> THE ADDRESS IS 2904 WEST LAKE AVENUE.
11:43:51AM AND I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ON DAVIS ISLAND.
11:43:56AM THE NEXT IS VRB 11-06, REDUCE THE REAR AND SIDE YARD
11:44:02AM SETBACKS FROM FIVE FEET TO ONE FOOT TO CONSTRUCT A POOL
11:44:05AM ENCLOSURE.
11:44:06AM APPLICANT ADDRESSED THE BOARD AND SHOWED THE FOUR TREES ON
11:44:08AM THE SITE.
11:44:08AM TREES WERE SMALL BUT AS TIME WENT BY IF TREES BECAME A
11:44:11AM PROBLEM.
11:44:12AM VARIANCE WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0.
11:44:16AM VRB 11-23 REDUCE THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS FROM FIVE
11:44:23AM TO TWO FEET.
11:44:24AM APPLICANT SHOWED PICTURES OF OAK TREES THAT ARE ON ADJACENT
11:44:27AM PROPERTIES WHICH DROPPED LEAVES INTO THE POOL.
11:44:29AM HE ALSO SHOWED PICTURES OF THE POOL AND REAR YARD.
11:44:32AM THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY APPROVING THE VARIANCE.
11:44:39AM VR B-12-19, BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL, CONSTRUCT A POOL AND SCREEN
11:44:46AM ENCLOSURE.
11:44:48AM THIS ONE IS RELEVANT BECAUSE IT WAS ESTABLISHED AT THE
11:44:52AM HEARING THAT THE POOL CONTRACTOR PICKED THE LOCATION OF THE
11:44:54AM POOL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.
11:44:58AM MY CLIENTS DID NOT PICK THE LOCATION OF THE POOL.
11:45:00AM AND IT WAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0.
11:45:05AM VRB-14-9.
11:45:07AM THIS IS ON DAVIS ISLAND.
11:45:09AM REDUCE SIDE YARD FROM 5 FEET TO TWO FEET AND THE REAR YARD
11:45:13AM FROM FIVE FOOT TO ONE FOOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE
11:45:15AM SCREEN ENCLOSURE.
11:45:16AM AGAIN, THE MOTION PASSED 5-1 APPROVING THE VARIANCE.
11:45:23AM THE NEXT ONE VRB-16-32, AGAIN DAVIS ISLAND, REDUCE THE SIDE
11:45:28AM YARD FROM FIVE FEET TO THREE FEET, FROM THE REAR YARD FROM
11:45:32AM FIVE FEET TO FOUR FEET FOR FULL SCREEN ENCLOSURE ALMOST
11:45:35AM IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IN THIS CASE.
11:45:37AM THE MOTION WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0.
11:45:42AM AND THEN VRB 17-58, REDUCE THE REQUIRED SETBACK FOR SCREEN
11:45:50AM ENCLOSURE FROM 5-FOOT TO 1 FEET TO INSTALL POOL CAPABLE.
11:45:53AM AGAIN, MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:45:57AM AND LASTLY, THIS IS VRB 05-78.
11:46:02AM THIS IS TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO
11:46:05AM TWO FEET TO KEEP AN EXISTING POOL CAGE.
11:46:08AM IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT HAD PUT UP THE POOL CAGE WITHOUT
11:46:12AM THE PERMIT OR WITHOUT THE VARIANCE, AND THE BOARD APPROVED
11:46:16AM THE VARIANCE TO KEEP THE EXISTING POOL CAGE.
11:46:19AM AND WE ARE ASKING FOR LESS OF A SETBACK VARIANCE, DOING IT
11:46:25AM THE RIGHT WAY, AND THIS APPLICANT DID IT WITHOUT REQUESTING
11:46:27AM THE VARIANCE, AND THE BOARD ALLOWED THE POOL SCREEN TO STAY.
11:46:33AM WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL OVERTURN THE
11:46:36AM VRB VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION TO DENY THE VARIANCE,
11:46:40AM APPROVE IT, AND ALLOW US TO CONSTRUCT THE POOL SCREEN AT 4
11:46:45AM FEET AND 3.47 FEET.
11:46:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE BASE OF THIS TREE.
11:46:55AM AND HOW THE HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED.
11:46:58AM AND I'M LOOKING AT THE LIMBS OF THIS TREE.
11:47:00AM >> ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE --
11:47:11AM >> THE TREE LIMBS GOING ACROSS THE HOUSE.
11:47:15AM >> IN THIS PICTURE THEY ARE TRIMMED BACK TO THE -- THEY WERE
11:47:20AM TRIMMED BACK TO THE FENCE.
11:47:22AM IT'S BEST IF I SHOW YOU.
11:47:24AM THIS IS KIND OF A BETTER PICTURE.
11:47:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY CONCERN IS SAFETY ISSUE WHEN THEY GO TO
11:47:30AM CONSTRUCT THIS HOUSE.
11:47:31AM THAT'S A HUGE LIMB THERE.
11:47:32AM YOU GET A STRONG WIND IN FLORIDA, THERE'S A BUNCH OF
11:47:35AM CONCERN.
11:47:36AM I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
11:47:46AM DEBRIS GOING OVER A YARD, A PAL AREA.
11:47:56AM I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
11:47:58AM THIS IS REALLY VERY DIFFICULT HERE.
11:47:59AM I KNOW A LOT OF TREE ADVOCATES OUT THERE.
11:48:03AM IS THE TREE DYING?
11:48:04AM >> NO, IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
11:48:06AM LIKE I SAID, I HAVE SPOKEN TO BRYAN AT NATURAL RESOURCES AND
11:48:10AM THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT TREE, THEY SAID DON'T
11:48:13AM TOUCH IT AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO STAY HOW IT IS, DON'T TRIM IT
11:48:16AM BACK.
11:48:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:48:18AM ONE MORE QUESTION.
11:48:21AM YOU ARE NOT WEARING YOUR GLASSES.
11:48:22AM >> THAT'S ME. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, TOO.
11:48:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: CONGRATULATIONS, MAN.
11:48:35AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:48:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE GOING TO ASSUME THAT'S NOT GOING
11:48:41AM TO PREJUDICE--
11:48:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS GOING TO ASK.
11:48:46AM JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, YOUR LITTLE POW-WOW
11:48:53AM THAT YOU HAD, YOU CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL?
11:48:55AM >> I JUST HAPPENED TO LOOK AND SEE A FACE, AND I SAW HIS
11:48:59AM FACE, AND I SAID, THAT LOOKS LIKE JOE'S SON.
11:49:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WILL BASE YOUR DECISION SOLELY ON THE
11:49:06AM EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING?
11:49:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
11:49:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US, MR. GUDES,
11:49:11AM SOMETIME OR ANOTHER.
11:49:12AM THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF LIVING NAP RELATIVELY SMALL TOWN.
11:49:15AM MR. SEVERINO, YOU DID A GREAT JOB RESEARCHING THE POOL
11:49:20AM APPROVALS.
11:49:21AM DID YOU -- HAVING SERVED ON THE VRB A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
11:49:25AM TIMES IN MANY YEARS, AND MR. CITRO AS WELL, WHO HAD TO
11:49:29AM RECUSE HIMSELF, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT THE VRB
11:49:32AM ON OCCASION DENSE CAGE ENCLOSURES.
11:49:34AM IS THAT CORRECT?
11:49:35AM >> YES.
11:49:35AM AND I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT ALL OF THEM THAT ARE
11:49:38AM AVAILABLE ONLINE.
11:49:39AM I PUT THEM ALL IN THE RECORD.
11:49:41AM THERE'S BEEN 38 REQUESTS FOR SCREEN ENCLOSURES.
11:49:44AM 35 HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
11:49:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OVER HOW MANY YEARS?
11:49:49AM >> THE VRB MINUTES GO BACK TO 9, MAYBE, MAYBE 6 OR 7.
11:49:57AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ARE FAMILIAR THAT SOME OF THEM ARE
11:49:58AM DENIED.
11:49:59AM AND WE ARE ALWAYS ADVISED SITTING AS THE VRB TO TAKE THESE
11:50:03AM ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
11:50:06AM AND THAT'S BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF US.
11:50:08AM AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HAVING TO DO TODAY.
11:50:11AM THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT THIS SECOND.
11:50:12AM THANK YOU, SIR.
11:50:14AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
11:50:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE FIRST THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS
11:50:20AM APPROVED, YOU SAID LAKE AVENUE?
11:50:22AM >> YES.
11:50:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO YOU KNOW WHAT PART OF TOWN IS THAT?
11:50:28AM BECAUSE I ONLY KNOW OF ONE LAKE AVENUE.
11:50:32AM >> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT PART OF TOWN IT IS.
11:50:37AM 2904 WEST L-A-K-E.
11:50:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 2904?
11:50:45AM THAT'S IN THE CORNER OF TWO HOUSES IN FROM --
11:50:49AM >> IN THE STADIUM AREA.
11:50:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW.
11:50:55AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER THING.
11:50:55AM IN REGARDS TO MR. GUDES' COMMENT AND THE QUESTION, THIS ONE
11:51:01AM HERE, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAK, THEY ARE ALL OVER TOWN.
11:51:05AM WE HAVE HAD TESTIMONY IN MANY BOARDS INCLUDING THIS ONE
11:51:09AM THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE 50 TO 100 YEARS OLD NOW, AND
11:51:13AM MAYBE EVEN OLDER, AND THAT THEY CAN LIVE 2 OR 300 YEARS.
11:51:18AM WE HAVE HAD THAT KIND OF TESTIMONY.
11:51:19AM AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I HAVE GOT ONE THOSE HANGING OVER MY
11:51:23AM HOUSE THAT'S BEEN THERE LONG BEFORE MY HOUSE WAS BUILT AND
11:51:27AM PROBABLY BE THERE LONG BEFORE I'M GONE AND THE HOUSE IS
11:51:31AM GONE.
11:51:31AM SO THE LIVE OAKS, KNOW IT THE LAUREL OAKS, ARE VERY
11:51:36AM SUBSTANTIAL AND OFTEN HEALTHY AND HAPPY TREES. ANYWAY,
11:51:41AM WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE.
11:51:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:51:45AM >> NOT RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU.
11:51:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: AND MR. SHELBY, PROCEDURALLY WITH THESE
11:51:49AM HEARINGS, WE TAKE DOCUMENT, CORRECT?
11:51:57AM IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM NUMBER 64,
11:52:00AM PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:52:01AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
11:52:04AM CITY COUNCIL, MR. SHELBY.
11:52:06AM MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF, SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.
11:52:10AM AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING JOE THIS MORNING AND
11:52:16AM HIS DAUGHTER DEBBY KING AND JOE'S SON-IN-LAW.
11:52:20AM RAISE YOUR HAND.
11:52:21AM THEY ARE SEATED BEHIND ME.
11:52:23AM THE RULE IS FIVE FEET IS THE SETBACK.
11:52:27AM AND THAT SETBACK WILL ONLY BE IMPACTED IF YOU MEET THE
11:52:33AM CRITERIA IN THE CODE.
11:52:39AM IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE.
11:52:41AM THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT MR. SEVERINO RECITED TO YOU,
11:52:48AM ALBEIT NOT STATING EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE, THIS HAS NOTHING
11:52:52AM TO DO WITH THIS HEARING.
11:52:53AM THERE ARE ESTABLISHED PRINCIPLES OF LAW THAT SAY YOU GIVE IT
11:52:57AM TO HIM SO GIVE IT TO ME, AND VICE VERSA, YOU DENIED TO THE
11:53:01AM HIM, DENY THIS ONE.
11:53:02AM YOU CANNOT LOOK AT OTHER CASES OF APPROVAL TO GRANT YOUR
11:53:05AM DECISION.
11:53:06AM I ASK YOU TO STRIKE ALL OF THOSE FROM YOUR CONSIDERATION
11:53:09AM THIS MORNING.
11:53:13AM MR. SEVERINO PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FROM A BUILDER WHO
11:53:19AM RECEIVED A BUILDING PERMIT THROUGH THE CITY ON APRIL 4, 2016
11:53:24AM WHICH SHOWED THE POOL GOING IN.
11:53:29AM THIS SITE PLAN WAS PREPARED BY A LICENSED ARCHITECT.
11:53:33AM IT WAS BUILT BY A LICENSED GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
11:53:37AM THE ARCHITECT IN FACT FORGOT TO PUT THE LOCATION OF THE
11:53:40AM CORNER YARD, FOR PURPOSES OF CONSIDERATION.
11:53:46AM MR. SEVERINO'S CLIENTS ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE
11:53:50AM THAT.
11:53:50AM AT THE TIME THEY ENTERED THE CONTRACT THEIR, THEY COULD HAVE
11:53:54AM TAKEN THESE PLANS, LOOKED AT THE ARCHITECT AND SAID, YOU
11:53:57AM KNOW, WE MIGHT WANT TO PUT A SCREEN IN K.WE DO THAT?
11:54:00AM AND THE ARCHITECT WOULD HAVE SAID, YOU CANNOT DO THAT UNLESS
11:54:02AM YOU GET A VARIANCE.
11:54:03AM AND THEY COULD HAVE POSTPONED THE CLOSING OR DISCOUNTED THE
11:54:06AM PURCHASE PRICE.
11:54:07AM WE ARE NOT HERE THIS MORNING TO FIX AN OVERSIGHT BY THE
11:54:11AM PURCHASER OR AN OVERSIGHT BY THE CONTRACTOR OR THE
11:54:14AM ARCHITECT.
11:54:16AM A CERTIFICATE WAS ISSUED AND SAID THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY
11:54:21AM COMPLETED, AND APPLICABLE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL CODE.
11:54:28AM I INCH YOU TO READ.
11:54:30AM THAT IT PROVIDES NO CRITERIA.
11:54:31AM [BELL SOUNDS]
11:54:41AM I WILL SUM UP IN A MOMENT.
11:54:43AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION FOR AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.
11:54:45AM >>CHAIRMAN: THAT WILL BE TWO MINUTES CRA MINUTES.
11:54:47AM THAT WILL BE TWO AND A HALF MINUTES, I BELIEVE.
11:54:49AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:54:51AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:54:53AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:54:54AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:54:55AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:54:55AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THEY MUST BE MET BY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
11:55:02AM EVIDENCE.
11:55:02AM THE CODE RECITES THAT TO YOU.
11:55:04AM AS FOR THE TREE, THE TREE HAS BEEN TRIMMED BACK.
11:55:07AM GOING TO MR. GUDES' QUESTION, YOU CAN SEE THE TREE HAS BEEN
11:55:10AM TRIMMED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.
11:55:15AM AND THE LEAVES ARE FALLING INTO THE POOL.
11:55:16AM THIS IS ALL ABOUT OAK LEAVES FALLING INTO A POOL.
11:55:20AM AND FOLKS THAT BUY PROPERTY COMING FROM LONDON AND ELSEWHERE
11:55:23AM ARE NOT USED TO LEAVES FALLING IN THEIR POOL.
11:55:25AM SO AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THEY BUY THE PROPERTY, AFTER THEY
11:55:28AM HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK AN ARCHITECT OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR
11:55:31AM TO TELL THEM WHAT THE CODE SAYS ABOUT POOL SCREENS, THEY
11:55:35AM LEAN FORWARD, THEY TAKE THE RISK AND NOW THEY ARE ASKING YOU
11:55:38AM TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
11:55:39AM THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:55:41AM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD REVIEWS THINGS PROSPECTIVELY, NOT
11:55:46AM RETROSPECTIVELY.
11:55:47AM AND YOU ARE NOT HERE TO CURE THAT ISSUE.
11:55:50AM THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD VOTED 6 TO 0, 6 TO 0, TO DENY THIS
11:55:56AM VARIANCE AND DID NOT MEET THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA. IT WAS A
11:56:00AM SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
11:56:02AM WHAT ARE YOU TO DO THIS MORNING?
11:56:04AM IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
11:56:05AM WHAT WE ALL DO NOW.
11:56:07AM WE GO ON THE INTERNET.
11:56:09AM AND THE INTERNET HAS -- YOU CAN PURCHASE THE HYDROMATIC, THE
11:56:17AM LIFT LID, THE HYDROLUX, THE EASY COVER.
11:56:21AM THESE ARE TOP SELLING POOL COVERS.
11:56:23AM IDEAL FOR ANY POOL APPLICATION.
11:56:26AM ADVANCED -- DO IT YOURSELF HOMEOWNER.
11:56:29AM YOU HAVE THE DEALER LOCATER RIGHT HERE.
11:56:32AM AND THIS CAME UP AT THE HEARING.
11:56:34AM AND WE EXPLAINED AT THE HEARING.
11:56:35AM YOU SIMPLY HIRE SOMEONE TO INSTALL AN ELECTRIC COVER THAT
11:56:40AM COMES OVER AND COVERS THE POOL IN PLASTIC.
11:56:43AM IT SHIELD THE LEAVES.
11:56:45AM WHEN YOU ARE READY TO HAVE GO INTO THE POOL, DRAW IT BACK,
11:56:47AM ENJOY THE POOL.
11:56:50AM YOU BRING IT BACK OVER AND THE LEAVES ARE COLLECTED.
11:56:53AM THAT'S THE SOLUTION.
11:56:54AM THE SOLUTION IS NOT A VARIANCE.
11:56:58AM THAT IMPACT THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY RIGHT. THIS IS HIS
11:57:01AM BACKYARD, HIS PARADISE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
11:57:04AM I SUBMIT TO YOU THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HARDSHIP ON THIS
11:57:06AM VARIANCE.
11:57:07AM THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO CURE AN OVERSIGHT AND IT IS
11:57:12AM SELF-CREATED.
11:57:13AM I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU AFFIRM THE DENIAL BY THE
11:57:16AM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
11:57:18AM THANK YOU.
11:57:18AM [BELL SOUNDS]
11:57:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:57:22AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. GRANDOFF.
11:57:23AM ANY CHANCE THAT YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOWED THE
11:57:31AM PERSPECTIVE OF THIS, I ASSUME, 6-FOOT WALL FROM YOUR
11:57:37AM CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE?
11:57:39AM IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SCREEN AND THEY ADOPT
11:57:42AM WANT THE SCREEN BECAUSE THE SCREEN IS GOING TO IMPOSE ON
11:57:46AM VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THEORY PROPERTY RIGHTS, DO WE HAVE ANY
11:57:49AM PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW WHAT THAT IS?
11:57:53AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: WE CAN GET CLOSE.
11:57:54AM LET ME ORIENT YOU ON THE SITE PLAN FIRST.
11:57:58AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PLEASE.
11:57:58AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: HERE IS THE PROPERTY.
11:58:00AM HERE IS THE POOL.
11:58:02AM HE'S HERE.
11:58:03AM THE CORNER ON BLANCA IS HERE.
11:58:06AM AND I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU PERSPECTIVE LOOKING EAST ON THE
11:58:09AM CORNER ALONG THAT PROPERTY.
11:58:10AM I DO NOT HAVE A PICTURE FROM MR. RYAN'S HOME LOOKING SOUTH.
11:58:16AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND BEFORE YOU DO, ALSO ON THIS MAP,
11:58:18AM WHERE IS THE SUBJECT OAK TREE?
11:58:27AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THAT BLACK DO IT RIGHT THERE.
11:58:30AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S DROPPING -- WE CAN
11:58:31AM SEE WELL FROM HERE.
11:58:32AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: IT'S JUST ABOUT ON THE CORNER.
11:58:35AM AND I TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH, AND HERE IS THE SURVEYOR'S
11:58:42AM CORNER, AND HERE IS THE OAK TREE.
11:58:46AM LOOKING EAST, HERE IS THE PROPERTY.
11:58:49AM THE TREE HAS BEEN TRIMMED SIGNIFICANTLY.
11:58:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN IF YOU WANT US TO
11:58:55AM SEE.
11:58:57AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: AND JOE'S PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.
11:58:59AM HIS BACKYARD.
11:59:02AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
11:59:02AM >> AND HERE IS THE FLAG AT THE CORNER.
11:59:07AM HERE IS THE TREE.
11:59:08AM I'M LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM BLANCA AVENUE TOWARDS JOE'S
11:59:14AM PROPERTY.
11:59:16AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DOES THIS SHOW ANY PART WHEREOF THE
11:59:18AM SCREENED ENCLOSURE WOULD BE?
11:59:20AM GRAND WELL, THE SCREEN WOULD BE -- HERE IS THE FENCE.
11:59:24AM THE FENCE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
11:59:27AM THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE, 3.4 FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
11:59:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DOES THE PETITION SPEAK TO THE HEIGHT OF
11:59:34AM THE SCREEN?
11:59:36AM >> IT'S 15 FEET.
11:59:38AM THAT'S THE RULE.
11:59:39AM THERE'S NO REQUESTED VARIANCE ON THE HEIGHT.
11:59:41AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE FENCE HEIGHT IS 6.
11:59:43AM >> FENCE IS 6.
11:59:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A COUPLE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
11:59:47AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THAT'S RIGHT.
12:00:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. GRANDOFF, COULD YOU PUT THAT PICTURE UP
12:00:05PM AGAIN?
12:00:07PM THE OTHER ONE.
12:00:09PM TO THE RIGHT OF THE TREE, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE
12:00:14PM A SMALL TREE.
12:00:15PM WHICH PROPERTY IS THAT ON?
12:00:18PM >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I THINK THAT'S A BRANCH COMING OFF THE
12:00:20PM TREE.
12:00:21PM THAT'S A BRANCH.
12:00:25PM A SUCKER BRANCH COMING OFF THE OAK.
12:00:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND THAT FENCE RIGHT THERE, IS THAT THE
12:00:37PM FIVE?
12:00:38PM >> NO, THAT FENCE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
12:00:44PM LET ME SHOW YOU THAT.
12:00:50PM IN THE BUILD PERMITTING IT SHOWS THE POOL GOING IN.
12:00:53PM THERE'S THE FENCE.
12:00:54PM IN RETROSPECT THE CONTRACTOR -- THAT OWNER MIGHT WANT A
12:00:59PM POOL, PUTTING THAT POOL DECK, AND FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
12:01:04PM NO PROBLEM.
12:01:04PM HE DIDN'T DO IT.
12:01:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:01:10PM ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ADDITIONALLY ON THIS ITEM?
12:01:15PM OKAY.
12:01:15PM REBUTTAL?
12:01:23PM WE ARE GETTING UPON 12:00.
12:01:34PM LET'S HAVE 15 MINUTES?
12:01:36PM 30.
12:01:37PM LET'S DO 30 MINUTES FOR NOW.
12:01:38PM IS EVERYONE OKAY TO GO TILL 12:30?
12:01:41PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:01:42PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:01:44PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:01:45PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:01:46PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:01:46PM SORRY.
12:01:47PM >> I THINK MR. GRANDOFF AT THE END OF HIS PRESENTATION MADE
12:01:53PM AN ARGUMENT SAYING THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD HAVE DONE IT.
12:01:57PM HE PUT THE HOUSE IN.
12:02:02PM HE PUT THE POOL. IN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE CAME IN AFTER
12:02:06PM THAT, IF WE WERE COMING IN THE 20 YEARS LATER.
12:02:08PM IT'S WE DIDN'T PUT THE POOL IN.
12:02:12PM YOU CAN SEE THIS WHEN A HOMEOWNER OR INTO SOMEONE PURCHASES
12:02:15PM A LOT, KNOCKS DOWN A HOUSE, IS INVOLVED IN DESIGNING A
12:02:18PM HOUSE, DESIGNING A POOL.
12:02:19PM AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND ASK FOR POLL SCREENS.
12:02:22PM THEY WANT A SETBACK AND THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE
12:02:24PM PROCESS.
12:02:25PM THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
12:02:26PM AND I WANT TO SHOW TO MR. DINGFELDER A POINT.
12:02:30PM HERE IS ACTUALLY A PICTURE IN THE RECORD.
12:02:32PM THIS IS FROM MR. RIEMANN'S BACKYARD.
12:02:38PM I DON'T KNOW, CURRENTLY, I DON'T KNOW FINANCE MR. GRANDOFF
12:02:42PM PROVIDED THIS PICTURE AT THE LAST HEARING SO I DON'T KNOW
12:02:44PM WHEN THIS WAS TAKEN, BUT THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH TO MY
12:02:47PM CLIENT'S PROPERTY WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, HE DOES HAVE A VIEW
12:02:49PM BUT IT'S OF MY CLIENT'S SECOND STORY WINDOW, ON TOP OF HIS
12:02:53PM HOUSE.
12:02:53PM SO THE POOL SCREENING WOULD GO OBVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF THESE
12:02:57PM TREES RIGHT HERE, THE PALM TREES.
12:02:59PM THE FENCE IS 6-FOOT.
12:03:01PM THESE TREES PROBABLY GO UP ANOTHER 3 FEET.
12:03:03PM THEN YOU HAVE GOT THE 15-FOOT POOL SCREEN WHICH IS GOING TO
12:03:08PM GO IN ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
12:03:12PM AS FAR AS AQUA KNOT I CAN THAT PALM, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A
12:03:18PM RESIDENTIAL HOUSE WITH A POOL COVER LIKE THAT.
12:03:20PM IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM EITHER.
12:03:23PM THERE ARE STILL LEAVES THAT FALL ON TOP OF THAT.
12:03:25PM YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.
12:03:27PM SO IT DOESN'T COPY KEEP THE DEBRIS OUT OF THE POOL AND OUT
12:03:30PM OF THAT AREA.
12:03:31PM SO I WOULD SUBMIT TO THE COUNCIL OF THAT WE HAVE TRIED ALL
12:03:34PM REASONABLE MITIGATION EFFORTS.
12:03:37PM AND I WANT TO STRESS THAT WHETHER THE POOL SCREEN IS AT 5
12:03:41PM FEET, OKAY, FROM THE SETBACK OR 4 FEET, DOES NOT IMPACT MR.
12:03:45PM RIEMANN.
12:03:46PM IT DOESN'T IMPACT HIS VIEW.
12:03:49PM HIS VIEW WOULD BE TESTIMONY EXACT SAME IF WE WERE ABLE TO
12:03:52PM PUT IT AT 5 FEET.
12:03:53PM HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME VIEW WHETHER IT WHETHER WE
12:03:57PM NEEDED A VARIANCE OR IN CODE.
12:03:59PM HE IS THEY CLIP HE MAY NOT WANT IT BUT AS MUCH AS HE'S
12:04:03PM ENTITLED TO HIS PROPERTY RIGHTS, SO ARE MY CLIENTS.
12:04:05PM THEY ARE ASKING FOR A MINIMAL VARIANCE.
12:04:08PM ALL THAT THE THOUGH THIS IS DONE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS I
12:04:12PM DO BELIEVE THOSE DECISIONS AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AS
12:04:16PM YOU ARE ABLE TO LOOK BACK TO THE DECISION IN THIS CASE FOR
12:04:18PM GUIDANCE, MAY NOT RELY ON IT BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.
12:04:22PM OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO BE ENFORCING THIS STANDARD
12:04:24PM DIFFERENTLY TO SIMILARLY SITUATED APPLICANTS.
12:04:28PM SO AGAIN HE REQUESTS THAT YOU OVERTURN THE VRB'S DENIAL AND
12:04:33PM GRANT APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE TO COP INSTRUCT THE POOL
12:04:35PM SCREEN AT A 4-FOOT SETBACK AND 4.3-FOOT SETBACK.
12:04:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:04:41PM ANYTHING FURTHER?
12:04:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
12:04:49PM NUMBER ONE, THE PALMS.
12:04:50PM CAN YOU PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP THERE?
12:04:53PM >> YES.
12:04:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE PALMS DO CREATE A NICE BUFFER RIGHT
12:04:57PM NOW.
12:04:58PM DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THE PALMS ARE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE OR
12:05:01PM THE WALL?
12:05:02PM >> YES.
12:05:03PM I WAS OVER THERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
12:05:05PM THEY ARE PROBABLY ABOUT FOOT FEET.
12:05:07PM ACTUALLY, I HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE
12:05:09PM IT.
12:05:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY GUESS IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN THE
12:05:11PM WAY OF THE SCREEN EITHER DURING CONSTRUCTION OR
12:05:15PM SUBSEQUENTLY.
12:05:18PM AND CAN YOU A SURE ANYBODY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE
12:05:23PM REMOVED?
12:05:25PM >> I CAN ASSURE YOU EITHER, A, THEY WILL NOT BE REMOVED, OR
12:05:28PM IF REMOVED WE OFFER TO PUT UP DIFFERENT TREES THAT BLOCK THE
12:05:32PM VIEW, AT THE SECOND HEARING, WE WOULD DO WHATEVER WAS
12:05:36PM NECESSARY TO DO SOME KIND OF FOLIAGE THERE TO PROTECT THAT.
12:05:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT APPEARS AT THE TOP, JUST LOOKING AT
12:05:44PM IT, THE TOP OF THOSE RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE AT
12:05:49PM THE MOST TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE, A LITTLE LESS.
12:05:54PM SO IT'S STILL NOT -- THE 15 FEET IS STILL GOING TO BE ABOVE
12:05:58PM THAT CURRENT BUFFER.
12:06:00PM >> YES, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT.
12:06:09PM HERE IS A PICTURE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THOSE ARE.
12:06:12PM YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE 5-FOOT HEDGE.
12:06:18PM THE DECK IS ONLY ABOUT 18 INCHES RIGHT HERE.
12:06:21PM AND ALL WE ARE REQUESTING IS PUT THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE,
12:06:24PM GOING ON HERE.
12:06:25PM THEN WE HAVE PALM TREES, AND THEN THE FENCE, THE 6-FOOT
12:06:28PM FENCE.
12:06:30PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE OTHER ISSUE IS RELATED TO THIS NOTION
12:06:33PM OF SELF-CREATED.
12:06:39PM IF ANYBODY GOES TO BUY A HOUSE, ESPECIALLY A BIG NICE
12:06:42PM EXPENSIVE HOUSE LIKE THIS,
12:06:45PM THEY CAN SEE THE POOL.
12:06:47PM THEY CAN SEE THE TREES.
12:06:48PM THEY CAN SEE THE CONDITION.
12:06:53PM YOU KNOW, THE LEAVES, TO ME, ANYBODY WITH ANY COMMON SENSE
12:06:58PM IS GOING TO SEE THE LEAVES, ET CETERA.
12:06:59PM IS THERE ANY TESTIMONY?
12:07:01PM YOU ARE NOT OFFERING TESTIMONY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT YOUR
12:07:04PM ROLE.
12:07:05PM HAS THERE BEEN ANY TESTIMONY THAT THEY BOUGHT THIS SITE
12:07:10PM UNSEEN AND WERE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF THE CONDITION?
12:07:12PM >> IT'S NOT THAT THEY BOUGHT IT SIGHT UNSEEN.
12:07:18PM THE INTENT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THIS HOME WAS TO HAVE AN
12:07:21PM OPEN-AIR POOL, AND THE REASON WHY I THINK THIS IS A GOOD
12:07:25PM PICTURE, AS I SHOWED EARLIER, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE NEXT
12:07:29PM DOOR.
12:07:30PM IT'S ALMOST THE IDENTICAL HOUSE.
12:07:32PM THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FOLIAGE HERE TOO BUT IT'S TRIMMED BACK
12:07:35PM MORE.
12:07:36PM THE EXACT SAME POOL.
12:07:37PM AND NOW WHEN THEY MOVE IN, IT BECAME A PROBLEM, PROBABLY A
12:07:41PM YEAR LATER THEY TRIM THE TREES, THEY TRADE EVERYTHING, AND
12:07:44PM NOW THERE'S REALLY NOTHING LEFT FOR THEM TO DO.
12:07:47PM BUT, NO, THEY DID NOT BUY IT SIGHT UNSEEN.
12:07:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH
12:07:53PM THIS.
12:07:55PM WHILE THE BUILDER DID IT A YEAR BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT, AND
12:07:57PM THEREFORE WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE THAN, YOU KNOW FOR THAT, I
12:08:01PM THINK THE KNOWLEDGE IS EITHER ACTUAL OR IMPUTED TO THE
12:08:07PM SUBSEQUENT PURCHASER WHO PURCHASED IT AS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW,
12:08:12PM HAVING SEEN IT.
12:08:14PM SOMETIMES PEOPLE PURCHASE PROPERTY SIGHT UNSEEN AND THAT
12:08:18PM COULD BE AN ARGUMENT OR A DEFENSE.
12:08:19PM BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WEAKENS IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
12:08:25PM I DON'T KNOW.
12:08:26PM THE POOL COVER SEEMS LIKE PERHAPS, ESPECIALLY IN SUCH AN
12:08:29PM EXPENSIVE SCENARIO, SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A REASONABLE
12:08:32PM SOLUTION.
12:08:33PM BUT WE'LL KEEP TALKING.
12:08:34PM THANK YOU.
12:08:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
12:08:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I EVER LISTENED TO BOTH ATTORNEYS ARGUE
12:08:50PM ABOUT SELF-CREATED, AND I HEAR ONE POINT, BOUGHT A HOME, NOW
12:09:03PM WE GOT THIS PROBLEM, AND I HAVE THE OTHER SIDE SAYING, WELL,
12:09:09PM YOU BOUGHT A HOME, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
12:09:11PM WE DO A LOT OF THINGS NOT KNOWING IT WAS GOING TO BE A
12:09:16PM PROBLEM.
12:09:16PM I AM JUST TRYING TO GET AN DEFINITIVE POINT ON SELF-CREATED.
12:09:20PM WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? THAT'S WHAT I AM HAVING A PROBLEM WITH
12:09:24PM RIGHT NOW.
12:09:25PM >>KRISTIN MORA: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:09:28PM WHAT COURTS HAVE SAID ABOUT SELF-CREATED HARDSHIPS IS THAT
12:09:32PM THE PASSAGE OF OWNERSHIP IS NOT NECESSARILY THE QUESTION.
12:09:39PM SO HOW IT'S RELEVANT, IF I BUY A TRIANGULAR SHAPED LOT, THE
12:09:44PM HARDSHIP OF WHAT EXISTED IS THE SAME FOR ME AS THE PLOT
12:09:48PM OWNER, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT CHANGED HANDS.
12:09:50PM BUT HERE IT'S NOT SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT JUST THE LOT, IT IS
12:09:55PM SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT ON
12:09:58PM THAT LOT.
12:09:59PM AND BUILDING STRUCTURES ON THE LOT CAN BECOME A SELF-CREATED
12:10:04PM HARDSHIP.
12:10:07PM SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT CASE THAN WHAT THE COURTS HAVE
12:10:12PM GRAPPLED WITH, BUT COURTS HAVE IMPUTED FROM ONE PROPERTY
12:10:15PM OWNER TO THE NEXT WHETHER OR NOT THE HARDSHIP IS
12:10:17PM SELF-CREATED OR ONE THAT IS REALLY FROM THE LAND.
12:10:22PM SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS INFORM YOUR DECISION.
12:10:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT IS VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW.
12:10:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
12:10:38PM THANK YOU, SIR.
12:10:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION, JUST TO
12:10:44PM RECEIVE AND FILE WHAT'S BEEN PLACED IN THE RECORD THUS FAR.
12:10:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:10:51PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:10:54PM ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
12:10:55PM DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
12:10:57PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
12:11:00PM >> SECOND.
12:11:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
12:11:02PM MANISCALCO.
12:11:03PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:11:05PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:11:06PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:11:07PM ALL RIGHT.
12:11:07PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:11:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE
12:11:14PM BOARD DECISION OF THE VRB AND UPHOLD THE DENIAL.
12:11:17PM I DON'T SEE THE HARDSHIP.
12:11:18PM I THINK IT'S A SELF-CREATED, SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP, THE
12:11:23PM BUILDER, WHATEVER IT IS.
12:11:25PM THERE IS A LOT SIZE, THE HOME WAS BUILT ON THAT LOT TO
12:11:29PM ALMOST MAXIMUM STANDARDS, AND NOW YOU HAVE THE ISSUE WITH
12:11:33PM THE SWIMMING POOL.
12:11:34PM COULD HAVE BEEN A SMALLER POOL.
12:11:35PM COULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
12:11:37PM THEY CHOSE TO MAXIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING AREA, AND
12:11:43PM THEREFORE CREATING THIS.
12:11:45PM THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL.
12:11:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION OR A SECOND?
12:11:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION AND JUST ADD ON,
12:11:56PM PERHAPS PILE ON, SOME MIGHT SAY, BUT JUST ADD ONTO MR.
12:12:00PM MANISCALCO'S COMMENT.
12:12:04PM YEAH, IF THE ORIGINAL BUILDER WAS HERE WITH THE SAME
12:12:09PM REQUEST, IT'S PERHAPS A WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
12:12:14PM HOW WOULD I FEEL ABOUT IT?
12:12:15PM I THINK IN THAT CASE I WOULD FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IT WAS
12:12:18PM SELF-CREATED.
12:12:19PM SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, OKAY, NOW IT'S A SUBSEQUENT OWNER.
12:12:24PM AGAIN, IF IT WAS A HIDDEN CONDITION, I MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE
12:12:27PM MORE GENEROUS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU TO -- OR
12:12:33PM SYMPATHETIC IS PROBABLY A BETTER WORD, TO THE PREDICAMENT
12:12:37PM THAT THEY ARE IN.
12:12:40PM BUT IT'S NOT.
12:12:42PM THIS IS A BLATANT OPEN, OBVIOUS CONDITION, AS PER THEIR
12:12:46PM TESTIMONY.
12:12:46PM THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
12:12:47PM THEY SAID THERE'S OAK LEAVES HERE DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY.
12:12:51PM WELL, GUESS WHAT.
12:12:52PM WHEN YOU GO TO A HOUSE LIKE THIS AND YOU WALK AROUND IT AND
12:12:54PM COME BACK ANOTHER DAY AND WALK AROUND IT AND DECIDE TO BUY
12:12:57PM IT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THOSE SAME OAK LEAVES.
12:13:00PM AND ACTUALLY THE CONDITION GOT BETTER BECAUSE THEY TRIMMED
12:13:04PM THAT TREE BACK.
12:13:09PM [OFF MICROPHONE.]
12:13:10PM I THINK MR. GRANDOFF HAS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, VARIOUS
12:13:14PM COVERS, THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO HELP THE SITUATION, AND I
12:13:18PM CAN -- I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
12:13:20PM I SUPPORT THE VARIANCE BOARD.
12:13:22PM BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT
12:13:24PM INTO THESE CASES.
12:13:25PM AND I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MS. MORA AT SOME POINT
12:13:30PM IN TERMS OF WHY WE ARE DOING THIS DE NOVO AS OPPOSED TO AS
12:13:34PM AN APPELLATE ISSUE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION FOR A
12:13:37PM DIFFERENT DAY.
12:13:38PM ANYWAY, I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
12:13:40PM THANK YOU.
12:13:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
12:13:43PM OKAY.
12:13:44PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:13:47PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:13:50PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:13:51PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:13:51PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO ABSTAINING.
12:14:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: NOW WE MOVE TO ITEMS 65 AND 66 WHERE IT
12:14:03PM APPEARS THAT FOR 66 THERE IS CORRESPONDENCE REQUESTING THE
12:14:08PM PETITIONER REVIEW BE WITHDRAWN.
12:14:11PM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW?
12:14:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO WITHDRAW.
12:14:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:14:17PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:14:18PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:14:19PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:14:20PM OKAY.
12:14:20PM NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 66.
12:14:23PM >> MOVE TO RESCHEDULE TO AUGUST 22ND AT 10:30 A.M.
12:14:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:14:31PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:14:34PM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEMS PULLED FROM CONSENT WHICH I BELIEVE
12:14:36PM WERE 40 AND 43.
12:14:38PM AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY A TIME CRUNCH.
12:14:41PM WHAT --
12:14:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO 66 AND 68.
12:14:50PM THE REASON IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GRANT MONEY AND SO FORTH
12:14:52PM AND SO ON, AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE HAVE TO RESOLVE IT IN
12:14:56PM MY OPINION.
12:14:58PM >>LUIS VIERA: I AGREEMENT WOULD YOU ALL LIKE THE ITEMS THAT
12:15:03PM WERE PULLED, 67, 68, AND THEN BREAK?
12:15:06PM I CAN GO STRAIGHT ON THROUGH TILL 2:30.
12:15:15PM IS EVERYBODY OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD?
12:15:17PM >> PLOW FORWARD.
12:15:18PM >> I MOVE TO 1:00 AND --
12:15:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:15:22PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:15:23PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:15:24PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:15:25PM OKAY. MS. DUNCAN.
12:15:25PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I'M HERE I THINK IT'S ITEM 67.
12:15:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND FIRST WE ARE DOING THE PULLED ITEMS.
12:15:34PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: START WITH ITEM 40?
12:15:40PM JEAN DUNCAN, TRANSPORTATION STORMWATER SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
12:15:48PM STARTING FIRST WITH 40.
12:15:51PM THIS IS THE ITEM REGARDING THE HYDE PARK VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT
12:15:55PM AGREEMENT.
12:16:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU WANT TO HEAR MY QUESTION?
12:16:05PM WE TRIED TO REACH EACH OTHER YESTERDAY AND WE TRIED TO HOOK
12:16:08PM UP.
12:16:09PM I APOLOGIZE TO COUNCIL.
12:16:10PM ON ITEM 40, WE HAVE A SIDEWALK FUND, IN THIS CASE IT'S THE
12:16:15PM INTERBAY SIDEWALK FUND, AND THE INTERBAY DISTRICT SIDEWALK
12:16:21PM IMPACT FEE CONSTRUCTION FUND, WHICH BASICALLY IS MONEY
12:16:25PM THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION, OFTEN
12:16:28PM SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION IN THE INTERBAY SOUTH TAMPA
12:16:32PM PENINSULA -- CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG -- AND THEN COLLECTED,
12:16:36PM AND THEN WE USE IT FOR OTHER SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT ARE ALSO
12:16:43PM IN THE INTERBAY REGION.
12:16:44PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
12:16:47PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:16:47PM I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
12:16:48PM I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN AROUND WHEN WE PASSED THAT TO
12:16:52PM START.
12:16:52PM HOWEVER, WHAT JUMPED OUT AT ME HERE IS, WE COLLECT THESE
12:16:58PM FUNDS ON SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, OFTEN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES,
12:17:03PM SOMETIMES NOT, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, OKAY.
12:17:05PM SO, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN ON SOUTH -- ANYWHERE WOULD BE AN
12:17:12PM EXAMPLE, IN THIS CASE IT HAPPENS TO BE IN SOUTH TAMPA BUT I
12:17:16PM WOULD SAY THE SAME THING IS RELEVANT IN ANY OF THE
12:17:19PM DISTRICTS.
12:17:19PM SO WE COLLECTED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
12:17:23PM BUT IN THIS CASE WE TAKE $50,000 OF THAT AND WE PULL IT AND
12:17:28PM HELP OUT THE HYDE PARK, THE NEW FANCY HYDE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
12:17:32PM AND THAT'S THE PART THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE, AS MY
12:17:36PM GRANDMOTHER WOULD SAY, A LITTLE ANGINA.
12:17:40PM AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG ON ANY OF THAT.
12:17:43PM AND I KNOW IT'S MORE PERHAPS MORE OF A POLICY DECISION.
12:17:46PM AND I AM NOT REALLY TRYING TO STOP THIS HERE BECAUSE WE DO
12:17:49PM HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HYDE PARK FOLKS TO DO THIS.
12:17:52PM AND I'M NOT ONE TO BREAK AN AGREEMENT.
12:17:56PM BUT I DO WANT TO RAISE THIS AS A FUTURE ISSUE IN TERMS OF
12:18:00PM WHERE AND HOW WE SPEND THIS MONEY.
12:18:02PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR.
12:18:03PM SO THE INTERBAY IMPACT FEE DIRECT, TO SHARE THAT MAP WITH
12:18:10PM YOU THAT SHOWS THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT.
12:18:12PM IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING. THIS AREA IS WITHIN
12:18:15PM THAT BOUNDARY.
12:18:16PM SO WE ARE LEGITIMATELY SPENDING THE MONEYS THAN.
12:18:24PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
12:18:25PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME IN, WE SAW AN
12:18:29PM OPPORTUNITY TO INFUSE SOME MONEY INTO THE DEVELOPER'S
12:18:31PM PROJECT WHERE WE COULD BRING A NUMBER OF SIDEWALKS IN THE
12:18:35PM AREA UP TO CURRENT ADA CODE THERE.
12:18:39PM THEY WERE TOO NARROW. THEY WERE SLOPED TOO STEEPLY.
12:18:43PM AND BY ADDING IN OUR MONEYS TO THEIR PROJECT, WE WERE ABLE
12:18:47PM TO GET THIS WORK DONE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND LESS
12:18:50PM COSTLY, BECAUSE WE COULD JUMP ONTO THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY
12:18:55PM HAD IN PLACE AND DO MUCH THIS WORK -- ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
12:18:58PM THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE DONE ON HIS
12:19:01PM OWN ANYWAY.
12:19:02PM WE WERE SOMEHOW PAYING HIM.
12:19:06PM THIS IS WORK WE WOULD WANT DONE ON OUR OWN .
12:19:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THIS IN FRONT OF THEIR SHOPS AND
12:19:14PM STORES?
12:19:15PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IN SOME CASES, YES.
12:19:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S NOT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD,
12:19:19PM ISN'T IT?
12:19:20PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU A MAP TO SHOW YOU
12:19:23PM EXACTLY WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE.
12:19:24PM BUT THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE THERE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
12:19:26PM WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ADA STANDARD.
12:19:29PM SO THAT WAS NOT ON THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM.
12:19:32PM THAT'S ON THE CITY TO DO THAT.
12:19:34PM AND SO THIS IS A MECHANISM TO CORRECT THAT PROBLEM IN A VERY
12:19:39PM EFFICIENT WAY IN TERMS OF PUTTING OUR MONEY WITH THEIRS AND
12:19:42PM GETTING IT DONE TOGETHER.
12:19:45PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID WE ASK THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WOULD DO
12:19:47PM THAT BEFORE WE OFFERED THIS?
12:19:50PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
12:19:50PM WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THIS AND THEY ACTUALLY
12:19:54PM ADDED SOME EMBELLISHMENT TO THESE SIDEWALKS WHICH IS ON
12:19:57PM THEIR DIME AND THEY PAID THE EXTRA --
12:19:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, NO, MY QUESTION IS NOT TO BE
12:20:02PM ARGUMENTATIVE AND IT'S MY LAST QUESTION.
12:20:04PM DID WE SPECIFICALLY ASK THE DEVELOPER, SAY, HEY, YOU ARE
12:20:07PM GETTING THIS WHOLE STREETSCAPE, AND THEY DID.
12:20:10PM THEY ARE GUTTING THIS WHOLLY THING ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY,
12:20:13PM THEY WANTED MANY, MANY CHANGES.
12:20:15PM AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE GAVE THEM ADDITIONAL SPACES, ANGLED
12:20:19PM SPACES, YOU KNOW, IN OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY TO HELP THEIR PARKING
12:20:24PM SITUATION, WHICH IS GREAT.
12:20:25PM THE WHOLE THING LOOKS GREAT.
12:20:26PM BUT DID WE ASK THEM IF THEY COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THROW IN
12:20:30PM AN EXTRA 50 GRAND OF THEIR OWN TO DO THESE CHANGES AS
12:20:33PM COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY?
12:20:38PM AND MY WHOLE CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE GOT NEIGHBORHOODS WHO
12:20:41PM PLAN FOR SIDEWALKS, AND YOU GET THE CALLS MORE THAN I DO,
12:20:44PM THEY CLAMOR FOR SIDEWALKS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRONT OF
12:20:47PM THEIR HOMES, AND HERE WE ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY IN HYDE
12:20:50PM PARK VILLAGE, AND/OR I THINK SOME OF THAT ALSO -- CHARLIE,
12:20:56PM HELP ME OUT -- IN THE NEW PART ALONG THE RIVER.
12:20:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DON'T ASK ME ABOUT SIDEWALKS BECAUSE I
12:21:07PM THEY GO KNOW WHERE.
12:21:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID WE ASK THE DEVELOPER AND THEY SAID,
12:21:12PM OH, NO, THAT'S ON YOU?
12:21:13PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I DIDN'T PERSONALLY NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENTS
12:21:16PM SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IF THEY WOULD BE
12:21:20PM OF BENEVOLENCE AND PROVIDE THAT TO THE CITY.
12:21:22PM I CAN'T REALLY SAY "YES" OR "NO" ON THAT.
12:21:25PM I CAN SAY THAT THIS IS A LEGITIMATE EXPENDITURE OF MONEY IN
12:21:29PM TERMS OF USE OF IT AND THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE ARE SPENDING
12:21:33PM IT.
12:21:34PM AND WE FELT LIKE WE GOT A GOOD DEAL, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE IF
12:21:37PM WE DID THIS ON OUR OWN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH
12:21:39PM CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, BID THOSE OUT, MOBILIZE, CONTRACTOR
12:21:44PM OVERHEAD.
12:21:45PM WE GOT A LOT MORE COVERAGE FOR LESS DOLLARS BECAUSE WE WERE
12:21:49PM WORKING WITH THEM TO GET THE WORK DONE.
12:21:51PM SO AS FAR AS HOW THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I COULDN'T SAME
12:21:55PM PERSONALLY BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED.
12:21:58PM BUT I THINK THE CITY ACTED IN GOOD FAITH.
12:22:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T DOUBT ANY OF.
12:22:05PM THAT I KNOW YOU WELL.
12:22:06PM YOU ARE HONORABLE AND YOU ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING PURSUANT
12:22:09PM TO OUR CODES.
12:22:10PM MY QUESTION IS, IS OUR CODE RIGHT IN THIS REGARD?
12:22:13PM BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DAY.
12:22:14PM THANK YOU.
12:22:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
12:22:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE SIDEWALKS, SOMEBODY WAS CHARGING $45
12:22:25PM A LINEAR FOOT.
12:22:26PM AND WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE HIGH 20s.
12:22:29PM IS THAT STILL THE ACCURATE AMOUNT?
12:22:31PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER OFF MY HEAD.
12:22:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT CHANGED FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
12:22:37PM >> IT WAS REDUCED FROM THAT ORIGINAL NUMBER.
12:22:39PM I DO KNOW THAT.
12:22:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: ALL RIGHT.
12:22:42PM ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING ITEM 40?
12:22:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 40.
12:22:50PM >> SECOND.
12:22:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:22:52PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:22:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:22:55PM OF ANY OPPOSED?
12:22:56PM OKAY.
12:22:58PM AND ITEM 43.
12:23:00PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: A CONTRACT FOR MOWING OF ROADWAYS.
12:23:09PM TAKING OUT ASPHALT. IN MANY CASES, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IN BAD
12:23:12PM SHAPE.
12:23:13PM IT'S ON A WRONG ELEVATION.
12:23:16PM AND FOLLOW AND DO IN-HOUSE RESURFACING.
12:23:19PM SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CONTRACT.
12:23:21PM I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS
12:23:23PM PARTICULAR ITEM.
12:23:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCIL?
12:23:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:23:28PM AND I DID PULL THIS ITEM.
12:23:30PM I HAVE THE BACKUP.
12:23:31PM BUT REMIND ME.
12:23:32PM IT APPEARED TO ME THIS WAS EITHER THE SOLE SOURCE -- I DON'T
12:23:38PM THINK IT WAS COMPETITIVE, THOUGH.
12:23:41PM >> IT WASN'T SOLE SOURCE.
12:23:43PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE BIDDING.
12:23:45PM CAN YOU HELP ME?
12:23:47PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I'LL DEFER TO MR. HART. YOU MAY KNOW THE
12:23:48PM ANSWER TO THAT.
12:23:49PM IT WAS A BID ITEM.
12:23:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW IT WAS BID.
12:23:52PM WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BID SHEET, AND I KNOW WE HAVE USED THIS
12:23:56PM COMPANY REPETITIVELY OVER THE YEARS, AND I DON'T SEE ANY
12:24:01PM OTHER COMPANY OUT THERE DOING THE SAME THING.
12:24:03PM AND I'M JUST WONDERING.
12:24:04PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IT WAS A SINGLE BIDDER.
12:24:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM JUST WONDERING WHY IS IT THAT THESE
12:24:10PM GUYS ARE ALWAYS THE SINGLE BIDDER, AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE
12:24:13PM OUT THERE, YADA YADA YADA.
12:24:16PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THIS TYPE OF WORKS REQUIRES VERY SPECIAL
12:24:21PM EQUIPMENT AND VERY SPECIALIZED SKILLS.
12:24:23PM THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY OUTSOURCE LARGE AMOUNTS BECAUSE IT'S
12:24:27PM JUST SOMETHING THAT IS NOT -- WE HAVEN'T BUILT A BUSINESS
12:24:32PM CASE YET TO DO THIS TYPE OF THING IN-HOUSE.
12:24:34PM BEING THAT IT IS SPECIALIZED, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF
12:24:37PM CONTRACTORS APPARENTLY THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS AS
12:24:40PM THEIR NEW BUSINESS.
12:24:42PM THERE ARE SOME THAT DO THIS ALONG WITH OTHER MAJOR
12:24:44PM CONSTRUCTIONS, THE KIMMINS AND COUCH AND ALL THOSE BIG
12:24:48PM CONTRACTORS.
12:24:48PM SO I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN WHY THERE ISN'T MORE AFTER-MARKET
12:24:53PM OF COMPETITORS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
12:24:56PM BUT THE FIRM WE ARE USING, WE HAVE USED BEFORE, AND THEY ARE
12:24:59PM VERY REPUTABLE AND THEY DO GOOD WORK FOR US.
12:25:02PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
12:25:03PM BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE COMPETITIVE BID, PRETTY SOON YOUR
12:25:06PM PRICES ARE GOING TO GO HIGHER AND HIGHER.
12:25:08PM AND I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE NOT BUT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE
12:25:11PM OF THINGS.
12:25:14PM I KNOW IF I AM THE ONLY BIDDER, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO
12:25:17PM CONSTRAIN ME.
12:25:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SOMETIMES THERE'S MARKETPLACE DYNAMICS IN
12:25:20PM TERMS OF A LOT OF WORK IN THE WORKPLACE.
12:25:23PM AND SO THE SMALLER CONTRACTS AREN'T APPEAL TO CONTRACTORS
12:25:27PM BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING AFTER THE BIG PROJECTS.
12:25:29PM THAT COULD BE A FACTOR.
12:25:30PM I DON'T REALLY HAVE --
12:25:33PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I WOULD URGE NOT YOU, BECAUSE YOU
12:25:36PM ARE TOO BUSY, BUT YOU URGE YOUR PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO THE
12:25:40PM KIMMINS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH
12:25:43PM THEM SO THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN WE SEE THIS SAME BID, MAYBE
12:25:49PM THERE WILL BE MORE COMPETITION.
12:25:50PM THANK YOU.
12:25:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:25:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO BE MAKE SURE THAT I
12:25:56PM UNDERSTAND.
12:25:57PM THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE ROAD IS DOWN AND IT'S BUMPY AND
12:26:00PM GOOFY LOOKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE THAN HAVANA AVENUE
12:26:05PM HAS BEEN FOR YEARS, AND BE THE SAME WORK DONE.
12:26:09PM THIS IS A BIG MACHINE THAT GOES OUT AND GETS THE SAME
12:26:11PM ROADWAY, PICKS IT UP, GRINDS IT, AND THEN WE COME BEHIND IT
12:26:15PM AND PUT IT BACK DOWN?
12:26:16PM THAT'S THE ONE THAT DOES IT MUCH QUICKER?
12:26:18PM AND IF YOU WANT TO REALLY GO THE WHOLE MILE INSTEAD OF
12:26:22PM SAYING LET'S NOT USE ANYTHING, LET'S GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY
12:26:25PM WHERE IT COST FIVE TIMES MORE.
12:26:26PM BECAUSE THE OLD WAY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS EQUIPMENT.
12:26:29PM AND YOU COULDN'T DO IT THE WAY YOU ARE DOING IT NOW.
12:26:35PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE IF YOU DIDN'T DO
12:26:39PM IT THIS WAY AND YOU DID IT SOME OTHER WAY.
12:26:41PM MAYBE IT'S CHEAPER, I DON'T KNOW.
12:26:43PM I DON'T KNOW.
12:26:48PM ALARMS GO OFF EVERY YEAR.
12:26:52PM COMPETITIVE BIDDING.
12:26:52PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ALWAYS LOOK AT OUTSOURCING VERSUS
12:26:58PM IN-HOUSE TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT OF WHAT'S THE BEST BALANCE.
12:27:01PM IN THIS CASE, CONSISTENTLY, WE ARE BETTER OFF OUTSOURCING.
12:27:07PM WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN
12:27:09PM DOING THIS WORK.
12:27:11PM POSSIBLY, WITH MORE WORK THROUGH THE SALES TAX, WE'LL START
12:27:14PM HAVING OTHER COMPANIES THAT DECIDE, HEY, THIS IS A GOOD
12:27:17PM THING TO GET INTO, AND WE WILL HAVE MORE BIDDERS.
12:27:21PM THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SITUATION.
12:27:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A LOT MORE MILES WITH COMPETITIVE
12:27:27PM BIDDING.
12:27:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A LOT OF ROADS THAT WE DO THIS TYPE
12:27:32PM OF WORK, PULL THIS UP.
12:27:33PM I SEE THOSE GUYS OUT THERE WORKING ALL THE TIME.
12:27:36PM SO MY QUESTION IS, IF OUR GUYS ARE OUT THERE WORKING, WHY
12:27:39PM ARE WE NOT TRYING TO GET A MACHINE OR BUY A MACHINE OF OUR
12:27:42PM OWN AND DO THIS IN-HOUSE VERSUS GOING OUTHOUSE?
12:27:48PM I DON'T SEE WHERE WE KEEP SPENDING MONEY.
12:27:52PM I THINK WE CAN SAVE MONEY IN WE DO SOME THINGS IN-HOUSE.
12:27:54PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: AS MENTIONED THE EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE.
12:27:58PM IT REQUIRES A LOT OF MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IT'S DOING LESS
12:28:00PM WORK OUT THERE.
12:28:01PM AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND THE SKILL SET FOR THE TYPE
12:28:06PM OF EQUIPMENT.
12:28:07PM SO OCCASIONALLY WE VISIT AND SEE IN-HOUSE VERSUS
12:28:13PM OUTSOURCING, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE AT THIS
12:28:18PM POINT THAT WOULD BE WORTH US INVESTING IN THIS EQUIPMENT
12:28:20PM OURSELVES, HAVING A PLACE TO STORE IT, MAINTENANCE SUPPORT,
12:28:24PM HAVING THE STAFF FOR IT.
12:28:26PM SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE CURRENTLY FEEL WE GET A
12:28:29PM BETTER EXPENDITURE OF OUR MONEYS TO OUTSOURCE.
12:28:33PM WE DO SOME SMALL SCALE VERSIONS OF THIS IN-HOUSE.
12:28:36PM BUT ON THE LARGE SCALE, WE GET MORE EFFICIENCY IF WE HAVE A
12:28:41PM DEDICATED CONTRACTOR FOR THIS KIND OF WORK.
12:28:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WISH YOU WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AGAIN
12:28:47PM BECAUSE I AM JUST LOOKING AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF BIG LOTS
12:28:49PM THAT CITY EQUIPMENT IS ON.
12:28:52PM IT COULD BE A JOB FACTOR FOR SOME NEW PEOPLE, TRAINING AS
12:28:58PM WELL FOR SOMEONE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
12:29:02PM I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE
12:29:05PM FUTURE, THAT WE CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY OUTSOURCING YET
12:29:08PM DOING THE SPENDING MONEY.
12:29:11PM I THINK WE CAN SAVE MONEY BY DOING SOME THINGS IN-HOUSE.
12:29:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
12:29:18PM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN BRING THIS UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
12:29:19PM BUT AGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN MEMBER DINGFELDER.
12:29:24PM PEOPLE ASK WHY HE AND HE PULLED SO MANY THINGS FROM THE
12:29:28PM AGENDA AND I DIDN'T THIS TIME.
12:29:30PM IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M NEW, HE'S NEW BACK, BUT MY CONCERN IS,
12:29:37PM I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, MY CONCERN IS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR
12:29:40PM MORE, I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY
12:29:42PM ABOUT HOW THE BIDDING PROCESS WAS DONE, THE LACK OF
12:29:46PM TRANSPARENCY, THE LACK OF NUMBER OF BIDDERS AND LACK OF
12:29:49PM MINORITY PARTICIPATION.
12:29:50PM AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE MAYBE LATER IS ON THE BIDDING
12:29:53PM SHEETS -- I'M SORRY, ON THE SUMMARY FORMS THAT WE GET,
12:29:57PM THERE'S A SUMMARY CALLED BACKGROUND, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE
12:30:01PM AN SENTENCE OR TWO BEGUN THE BIDDING, AND THAT MAKES IT MORE
12:30:05PM TRANSPARENT, AND WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT WITHOUT HAVING A
12:30:08PM LOT OF STAFF.
12:30:10PM WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL IF THERE WERE A SECTION, NOT JUST
12:30:13PM BACKGROUND, BUT WHAT THE BIDDING WAS AND WHAT THE OUTCOME
12:30:17PM WAS AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WASTE STAFF TIME.
12:30:20PM I TOLD THE MAYOR I HAVE 100% CONFIDENCE IN HER BUT IT WOULD
12:30:23PM HELP WITH THE TRANSPARENCY IF BE WE COULD HAVE THAT.
12:30:26PM AND NUMBER TWO, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER
12:30:28PM SECTION THAT JUST TALKED ABOUT THE INTENT TO GET MINORITY
12:30:31PM PARTICIPATION.
12:30:31PM I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE US A LOT OF TIME, NOT HAVING TO PULL
12:30:34PM THINGS FROM THE AGENDA.
12:30:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:30:37PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:30:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I RESERVE MY TIME FOR ANOTHER.
12:30:56PM MIRANDA.
12:30:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:30:59PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:31:03PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:31:03PM OPPOSED?
12:31:04PM THANK YOU.
12:31:04PM NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM OF 67.
12:31:08PM STAFF REPORTS.
12:31:08PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THIS IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR STORMWATER PROJECTS
12:31:19PM THAT WE CAME TO COUNCIL, BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, WHEN WE
12:31:22PM WERE DISCUSSING THE CAPITAL ASSESSMENT FOR STORMWATER.
12:31:28PM AND WE HAD WHAT WE CALLED THE BIG YELLOW DOCUMENT, LITTLE
12:31:32PM YELLOW DOCS, AND THIS HAS BEEN IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT,
12:31:37PM AND WE TALKED TO COUNCIL OVER THE LAST PROBABLY YEAR AND A
12:31:41PM HALF.
12:31:43PM THIS PROJECT IS BASICALLY I AM GOING TO PUT IN ABOUT 770
12:31:47PM FEET OF BOX CULVERT, AND I THINK I HAVE IS A LITTLE PHOTO
12:31:54PM THAT I CAN SHARE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
12:31:56PM IT'S GOING TO BE AN TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE
12:32:02PM AMOUNT OF STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
12:32:04PM MAKE, AS WELL AS CREATING A WATER IMPROVEMENT SCENARIO FOR
12:32:12PM THE AREA.
12:32:14PM SO IF YOU LOOK IN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINES.
12:32:17PM THIS IS THE SYSTEM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY.
12:32:21PM THE ORANGE WAS A SYSTEM THAT WAS BUILT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO
12:32:26PM WITH CITY DOLLARS, AN $8 MILLION PROJECT.
12:32:28PM THIS PROJECT IS BEING CO-FUNDED BY SWFWMD.
12:32:31PM THEY ARE PAYING 50% OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
12:32:33PM THEY ALSO PAY FOR 50% OF THE DESIGN ALREADY.
12:32:37PM WE ARE EXCITED BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE
12:32:39PM INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.
12:32:40PM WE HAVE GOT BOXES, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, AND THERE WILL BE
12:32:45PM SIGNIFICANT WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT AS
12:32:50PM WELL AS SIGNIFICANT FLOODING IMPROVEMENT FOR A VERY LARGE
12:32:53PM AREA.
12:32:55PM AND GOING THROUGH THE SWFWMD APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY ACTUALLY
12:33:01PM DID WHAT IS CALLED A THIRD PARTY REVIEW SO THEY HAVE THEIR
12:33:04PM OWN COUPLE AND STAFF COME IN AND ANALYZE OUR PROJECT AND
12:33:08PM DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT MET THE COST FEASIBILITY
12:33:11PM PARAMETERS, OR WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT CO-FUNDING, 50
12:33:15PM PERCENT OF THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
12:33:18PM AND WE HAD TO DEMONSTRATE THE FLOOD BENEFITS TO GET THEIR
12:33:22PM APPROVAL.
12:33:24PM AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE CONTRIBUTION ON THEIR
12:33:28PM PART FOR THE PROJECT.
12:33:31PM WE WENT TO THE RQ PROCESS, PUT AN OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE FOR
12:33:36PM A DESIGN BUILT TEAM TO COME IN AND BID ON THE PROJECT.
12:33:39PM WE SELECTED A VERY GOOD FIRM AND CONTRACTOR THAT IS GOING TO
12:33:43PM BE DESIGNING AND BUILDING THE SYSTEM.
12:33:47PM AND WE NEGOTIATED THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE CALLED THE
12:33:52PM GNP.
12:33:53PM WE ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED DOWN SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS THROUGH
12:33:56PM THAT PROCESS.
12:33:57PM AND THIS IS A VERY GOOD APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING ON THIS
12:34:01PM PROJECT, BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE COMFORT LEVEL THAT WE KNOW
12:34:04PM THE PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO GO BEYOND THAT SET PRICE, UNLESS
12:34:08PM THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE DECIDE WE ARE GOING TO
12:34:11PM ADD INTO IT.
12:34:12PM SO IT REMOVES A LOT OF THE RISK ON A VERY LARGE SCALE
12:34:15PM PROJECT, THAT CAN ENCOUNTER A LOT OF ISSUES AS WE GET OUT
12:34:20PM THERE AND START BUILDING INTO THE GROUND.
12:34:24PM THAT'S A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
12:34:26PM I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
12:34:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
12:34:29PM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR ITEM 67?
12:34:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
12:34:35PM I THINK I SHOWED YOU -- I SHOWED BRYAN THE PICTURE OF THE
12:34:40PM FLOODING IN 2015 AT THIS AREA OF ROME AND VENICE, LIKE A
12:34:46PM CANAL, STREETS.
12:34:52PM SO THIS CYPRESS STREET FOUGHT FALL IMPROVEMENT IS GOING TO,
12:34:58PM YOU KNOW, PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
12:35:01PM I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS OVER THE YEARS.
12:35:04PM I KNOW BUSINESSES WERE FLOODED.
12:35:05PM IT WAS A DISASTER.
12:35:06PM I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH NEEDED.
12:35:09PM I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
12:35:10PM I KNOW THIS GOES BACK TO SEPTEMBER 1st, 2016 WHEN WE
12:35:13PM APPROVED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
12:35:15PM THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT 251 MILLION-DOLLAR APPROVAL.
12:35:20PM AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THIS HAPPENING, AS WELL AS SWFWMD DOING
12:35:22PM THEIR PART.
12:35:23PM BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS THE OTHER PROJECTS UPPER PENINSULA AND
12:35:27PM IT WAS $20 MILLION TOTAL FROM SWFWMD?
12:35:30PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: A LITTLE OVER 17 MILLION TOTAL FROM SWFWMD,
12:35:33PM YES.
12:35:40PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:35:42PM I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STORMWATER PROGRAM.
12:35:45PM I'M SUPPORTIVE -- WHEN WE FIRST PASSED IT IN 2003, NO
12:35:50PM SMALLER BASIS.
12:35:51PM BUT I'M PROUD THAT SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL ENLARGED THE PROGRAM
12:35:55PM BECAUSE WE DID NEED STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ALL ACROSS THE
12:35:58PM CITY, AND WE ARE DOING IT, AND IT'S FANTASTIC.
12:36:01PM I COMMEND YOU FOR IT.
12:36:02PM I ASKED TO HAVE THIS PULLED.
12:36:04PM I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS UNDER STAFF REPORTS ALREADY,
12:36:07PM SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE MBE ISSUE, AND WE ARE GOING TO
12:36:13PM KEEP BANGING ON THAT ISSUE A LOT UNTIL PEOPLE GET TIRED OF
12:36:18PM IT.
12:36:19PM BUT MAYBE WE CAN MAKE SOME GAINS.
12:36:21PM I SAW IN THE CONTRACTOR, THE PRIMARY CONTRACTOR'S RESPONSE.
12:36:29PM HE OR SHE OR THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THEY ESTIMATE A
12:36:37PM MINORITY, SMALL BUSINESS, WHAT DO WE CALL IT, WMBE ESTIMATE
12:36:43PM OF APPROXIMATELY 8% AND MAYBE UP TO 11% DEPENDING IF THE
12:36:49PM CITY BUYS THE CULVERTS OURSELVES.
12:36:56PM WE ALL HEARD ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THAT FOLKS ARE TIRED OF
12:37:00PM US MULLING AROUND IN THE SINGLE DIGITS FOR WMBE.
12:37:04PM AND THIS DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO YOUR PROGRAMS, JEAN.
12:37:07PM THIS APPLIES TO ALL THE CITY'S PROJECTS.
12:37:10PM I'M GLAD MR. BAIRD JUST WALKED IN BECAUSE HE HAS MANY OF
12:37:12PM THEM, TOO.
12:37:16PM BUT ARE WE SATISFIED WITH THAT?
12:37:19PM IF THEY CAME IN AT 8%, OR IF WE CAN TWEAK IT UP TO 11%, IS
12:37:23PM THAT IT?
12:37:24PM IS THAT OUR GOAL?
12:37:25PM IS THAT WHERE WE WANT TO BE?
12:37:27PM THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT BY ANYBODY'S ESTIMATION, $35 MILLION.
12:37:33PM AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO LAST A COUPLE, MAYBE TWO YEARS OR
12:37:36PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
12:37:38PM CAN WE DO BETTER?
12:37:40PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO MR. GREGORY HART,
12:37:44PM OUR MINORITY BUSINESS OFFICER, AND HE CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU
12:37:47PM A LITTLE BETTER EXPLANATION ON THAT.
12:37:49PM >> GREGORY HART, EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
12:38:01PM WE STRIVE, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO MAXIMIZE OPPORTUNITIES AT
12:38:06PM EVERY COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT THAT WE ENGAGE IN AND THERE'S
12:38:09PM A PROCESS BY WHICH WE ATTEMPT TO DO THAT.
12:38:12PM AND THOSE THAT ARE SET ON PROJECTS ARE DRIVEN BY EMPIRICAL
12:38:16PM DATA THAT IS A RESULT OF OUR DISPARITY STUDY, AND DISPARITY
12:38:21PM ANALYSIS.
12:38:22PM AND ALSO NARROWLY TAILORED TO IMPACT THOSE GOODS AFFECTED BY
12:38:28PM UNDERUTILIZATION OF PARTICIPATION IN PROJECTS.
12:38:32PM ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE ARE BOUND AND
12:38:37PM DEDICATED TO SET GOALS WHICH ARE TARGETED GENDER SPECIFIC
12:38:42PM AND ETHNIC SPECIFIC PARTICIPATION MUST BE BASED ON
12:38:46PM AVAILABILITY, CAPACITY AND CERTIFICATION.
12:38:50PM SO WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION, AND WE APPLY STATISTICAL
12:38:56PM EVIDENCE THAT WILL JUSTIFY THE CITY SETTING MANDATED GOALS
12:39:02PM FOR PARTICIPATION.
12:39:03PM AND SO WE DO THAT, WE ARE BEING MAXIMIZING THE OPPORTUNITY
12:39:07PM BY IDENTIFYING EMPIRICALLY WHO IS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO IS
12:39:12PM LICENSED TO DO SPECIFIC WORK, AND HAS THE CAPACITY TO
12:39:16PM RESPOND TO THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
12:39:18PM THEN WE TAKE THOSE PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS, AND THE GNP, WE
12:39:23PM GET THE ENGINEERING ASPECT, WHICH IS DEVELOPED BY THE
12:39:26PM CONSULTANT.
12:39:26PM THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THE BUDGET, AND THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY
12:39:30PM ALL OF THE TASKS AND CATEGORIES OF WORK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
12:39:35PM WE THEN HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE PROJECT TASK WORK SHOT.
12:39:40PM WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
12:39:41PM WE ALIGN THEM WITH WHO IN THE COMMUNITY THAT OPERATES AS A
12:39:44PM SUBCONTRACTOR OR PRIME, COULD RESPOND TO THE NEED TO
12:39:50PM PROSECUTE THAT WORK, AND IN SHORT, TO CUT TO THE CHASE, WE
12:39:53PM USE THAT INFORMATION TO SET A GOAL, THE MAXIMUM GOAL OF
12:39:59PM PARTICIPATION.
12:40:00PM AND THEN WE REQUIRE THAT BIDDER TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY
12:40:04PM AND SOLICIT QUOTES, BASED ON THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S
12:40:09PM IN THAT CONTRACT.
12:40:10PM AND THAT'S OHIO WE ARE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE EVIDENCE TO SAY,
12:40:17PM WE EXPECT YOU TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT, AND WE KNOW THIS IS
12:40:20PM WHAT'S HOW THE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:40:22PM COME BACK TO US AND ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL.
12:40:25PM IF YOU DON'T, TELL US WHY.
12:40:29PM DEMONSTRATE WHY THAT OCCURRED.
12:40:30PM SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.
12:40:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST AS A CONTINUATION.
12:40:42PM THANK YOU, MR. HART.
12:40:46PM LET'S SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT AND $35 MILLION.
12:40:49PM OKAY.
12:40:52PM ON PAGE 31 IN THE ULTIMATE CONTRACT, AND THIS WAS A DESIGN
12:40:57PM BUILD EFFORT.
12:40:58PM SO THIS CONTRACT LIKE SO OF OUR BIG CONTRACTS, THIS IS LIKE,
12:41:02PM OKAY, PRIME TIME CONTRACTOR, YOU TAKE THIS SOUP TO NUTS.
12:41:06PM YOU ARE GOING TO DESIGN IT.
12:41:07PM YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD IT.
12:41:08PM THEN IT'S GOING TO GET INSPECTED.
12:41:10PM THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE WHOLE DEAL, OKAY?
12:41:13PM I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALLER
12:41:17PM ENGINEERING FIRMS IN THE MINORITY COMMUNITY, OR WOMEN
12:41:24PM COMMUNITY, WHAT HAVE YOU, SMALL ENGINEERING FIRMS TO ASSIST.
12:41:29PM DEFINITELY.
12:41:29PM I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DIGGING HOLES IN THE GROUND AND
12:41:35PM STOPPING TRAFFIC AND ALL THESE TYPES OF STANDARD
12:41:38PM CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES.
12:41:40PM IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN'T FIND, YOU KNOW,
12:41:46PM MORE THAN 8 OR 9% OF THE WOMEN AND MINORITY COMMUNITIES TO
12:41:52PM ASSIST THIS PRIME CONTRACTOR WITH THIS PROJECT.
12:41:55PM WITH THAT SAID, THEY MAKE REFERENCE IN ITEM 30.4, IT SAYS:
12:42:00PM THE FIRM SHALL REPORT TO THE CITY ITS SUBCONTRACTORS AND
12:42:03PM SUBCONSULTANTS AND SUPPLIERS SOLICITED OR UTILIZED AS
12:42:07PM REQUIRED BY EXHIBIT C.
12:42:08PM DO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT RESPONSE IN OUR POSSESSION?
12:42:13PM OR IS THAT SOMETHING THEY GIVE US LATER?
12:42:16PM >> GREGORY HART: YES, SIR.
12:42:20PM YOU HAVE THAT OR SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIAL.
12:42:23PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
12:42:26PM >> WELL, YOU MAY NOT YET FOR THE GNP.
12:42:30PM NOW, THESE TYPE PROJECTS ARE -- THEY ARE APPROACHED UNDER
12:42:37PM TWO SPECIFIC PHASES.
12:42:38PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE IS MY QUESTION, GREG, BEFORE YOU GO
12:42:40PM ON.
12:42:41PM I DON'T CARE IF I HAVE IT BECAUSE I AM NOT SEEING IT.
12:42:44PM BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T FIND ALL THE BACKUP, BUT THAT'S
12:42:47PM PROBABLY MY OWN FAULT.
12:42:48PM MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE IT?
12:42:50PM DO WE AS A CITY ALREADY HAVE THAT RESPONSE THAT SAYS YOU ARE
12:42:55PM THE PEOPLE WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT, CONTACT, YOU KNOW,
12:43:00PM HERE ARE THE ONES WE PLAN ON USING, YADA YADA.
12:43:03PM WE ALREADY HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE --
12:43:07PM >>GREGORY HART: YES, SIR.
12:43:08PM WE ARE IN THE GNP STAGE WHERE WE HAVE EXAMINED THE WAY THE
12:43:12PM CONTRACTS ARE DESIGNED AND BUILD THE BUDGET FOR THE ACTUAL
12:43:15PM CONSTRUCTION.
12:43:16PM THAT'S PHASE 2.
12:43:18PM WE ARE THERE NOW.
12:43:19PM HAVING REACHED THAT PHASE 2 POINT, WE HAVE SAT DOWN WITH THE
12:43:23PM CONTRACTOR, WE HAVE EXAMINED HIS MATERIALS, AND WE HAVE
12:43:26PM PROVIDED WHERE THEY GO BASED ON THE INFORMATION, WHICH IS
12:43:31PM 15%, AND WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED THAT CONTRACTOR WITH A
12:43:35PM MINIMUM CONTACT LIST BASED ON HOUR REVIEW OF OUR DATABASE,
12:43:40PM AND WE SAY, HERE, HERE AT THE MINIMUM, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE,
12:43:45PM MINIMUM, A MINIMUM LIST OF 50 FIRMS WHICH NOW WE ARE TELLING
12:43:49PM YOU AT THIS STAGE, AN ON APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM, YOU ARE NOW
12:43:54PM TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SOLICIT QUOTES FROM OUR
12:43:58PM CERTIFIED --
12:44:02PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER BECAUSE YOU SAID
12:44:04PM THE KEY NUMBER.
12:44:04PM YOU SAID 15%, RIGHT?
12:44:06PM >> YES, SIR.
12:44:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HER RESPONSE DATED MAY -- EXCUSE ME, HIS
12:44:11PM RESPONSE, DONALD WOODRUFF, PRESIDENT OF THIS PARTICULAR
12:44:14PM VENDOR, THE PRIME CONTRACTOR, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, HE
12:44:18PM SAYS, CURRENTLY OUR DP PARTICIPATION IS APPROXIMATELY 8.8%
12:44:24PM BASED ON ALL SUBCONTRACTOR WORK.
12:44:26PM SO SHOULD THE CITY DO THIS IN A DIRECT PURCHASE WITH A BOX
12:44:30PM CULVERT, THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE ADJUSTED TO 11%.
12:44:34PM HE'S TELLING YOU, HEY, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 15% GOAL.
12:44:39PM THIS IS OUR RESPONSE, 8.8%.
12:44:41PM AND -- AND SO IT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
12:44:46PM SO WE ARE GOING IN ACCEPTING ALMOST HALF OF WHAT OUR GOAL
12:44:52PM IS, AND WE'LL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IF WE DID THAT.
12:44:59PM >>GREGORY HART: THE CONTRACTOR DOES NOT SET THE GOAL.
12:45:01PM THE CITY SET A GOAL OF 15%.
12:45:02PM THE CONTRACTOR IS FORECAST BASED ON THEIR PRELIMINARY
12:45:07PM OBSERVATION AND EXPECTATION OF WHERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES MAY
12:45:11PM BE.
12:45:12PM AND I COMPLIMENT THEM ON THAT.
12:45:13PM SO THEY HAVE GOTTEN A HEAD OF THE GAME, WHICH IS GREAT.
12:45:15PM BUT THEY DO NOT SET THE GOAL.
12:45:18PM WE TELL THEM WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, AND WHAT WE EXPECT.
12:45:20PM AND IT'S 15%, NOT 8%.
12:45:23PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:45:23PM THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT.
12:45:24PM BUT WE DIDN'T -- I HAVE A FEELING WE DIDN'T REBUT THIS
12:45:29PM LETTER OF MAY 21st.
12:45:30PM And I have done construction litigation, and this was the
12:45:33PM evidence for him to say, hey, we let you know, and nobody
12:45:36PM responded back, and had a problem with it, okay?
12:45:40PM And as Mr. Miranda said earlier, he said, what did you say
12:45:43PM about -- what did you say about when we go out, you are
12:45:47PM going to walk the alley?
12:45:49PM What was that expression you used?
12:45:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: Trust and verify.
12:45:56PM I want to go see the alley.
12:45:58PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: And my point is, this is the same thing,
12:46:02PM Charlie.
12:46:02PM If they throw this to us and say 8%, you know, we are doing
12:46:09PM really great at 8%, and you are saying 15%, then I know you,
12:46:14PM Greg.
12:46:15PM I have known you a long time and you are a great guy and you
12:46:19PM work hard at this and you probably get a lot of information
12:46:21PM back from these vendors.
12:46:23PM I think we need to trust you, but verify later.
12:46:27PM So my motion, I am going to recommend we approve this.
12:46:30PM We need to get this stormwater stuff moving.
12:46:33PM But I also am going to suggest that every couple of months
12:46:36PM OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS BE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING ON,
12:46:39PM OFFER WHATEVER IT IS, THAT YOU COME BACK WITH THE VERIFY,
12:46:43PM AND MR. MIRANDA INDICATED, NO DIFFERENT CONTEXT, AND THAT
12:46:47PM YOU COME BACK TO US AND SAY, LET TELL US HOW HE'S DOING,
12:46:52PM LET'S TELL US THAT HE'S HITTING THAT 15%, AND IF HE'S NOT,
12:46:56PM LET'S GET HIM IN HERE AND HIS COMPANY IN HERE TO TELL US
12:47:00PM WHY.
12:47:00PM AND I THINK ONLY WHEN WE DO THAT SORT OF THING DO WE
12:47:04PM ACTUALLY HIT OUR GOAL.
12:47:09PM >>GREGORY HART: IF I MAY, SIR.
12:47:10PM I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE MEET WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
12:47:12PM WE DISCUSS THAT VERY POSITION THAT THEY TOOK EARLY ON.
12:47:17PM AND THAT'S WHEN WE SIT DOWN, WHICH IS REQUIRED AS PART OF
12:47:21PM THE GNP PROCESS, WE DISCOVER THAT VERY FORECAST THAT IS
12:47:26PM MISSING.
12:47:26PM WE KNOW WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, AND BASED ON THE
12:47:29PM INFORMATION WE HAVE, THAT GOAL WILL BE 15%, AND THAT'S WHAT
12:47:33PM YOU ARE GOING TO --
12:47:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THAT'S THE LETTER THAT SHOULD BE IN
12:47:38PM THE FILE IN RESPONSE TO MAY 21ST LETTER THAT SAYS EXACTLY
12:47:41PM THAT.
12:47:41PM BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU, GREG.
12:47:42PM YOU ARE SAID IT VERBALLY.
12:47:45PM BUT GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T CARRY AS MUCH WEIGHT UNLESS WE
12:47:48PM PUT IN THE WRITING, AND THEY KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR HARD
12:47:51PM WRITTEN EXPECTATION.
12:47:52PM I AM NOT PICKING ON YOU.
12:47:54PM YOU KNOW THAT.
12:47:55PM >>GREGORY HART: YES, SIR.
12:47:56PM AND IT IS IN THE FILE.
12:47:57PM IT'S ON 15%. WE HAVE THE DBO DETERMINATION LETTER, WHICH IS
12:48:02PM ANOTHER INSTRUMENT THAT'S BINDING; IT'S ON FILE.
12:48:03PM YOU MAY NOT SEE ALL OF IT, THE BACK-HOUSE WORK THAT GOES
12:48:05PM INTO THIS.
12:48:05PM BUT IT'S THERE.
12:48:07PM WE COME TO THE CITY AND WE MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT THE CITY'S
12:48:10PM EXPECTATION IS FOR MINORITY AND SMALL BUSINESS
12:48:14PM PARTICIPATION.
12:48:14PM THE DOCUMENTATION IS THERE.
12:48:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
12:48:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW I HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU SET UP. I
12:48:28PM KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT
12:48:29PM I AM NOT HAPPY WITH.
12:48:30PM VERIFICATION IS KEY.
12:48:33PM AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, I ALWAYS VERIFY FACTS.
12:48:40PM I THINK WE RUBBER STAMP.
12:48:41PM WE GO OUT.
12:48:43PM WE DON'T MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAYING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
12:48:47PM WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
12:48:50PM I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE GOING OUT TO THESE CONTRACTS, SEEING
12:48:53PM THEY HAVE MINORITIES ON THE JOB.
12:48:54PM HOW DO WE KNOW?
12:48:56PM WHO VERIFIES THAT THEY ARE ACTUAL TELLING YOU THEY ARE AT
12:49:01PM 15%, OR THEY JUST GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION, HERE ARE THE
12:49:06PM EMPLOYEES, BUT DO WE KNOW THOSE PERSONS EVER HIT THE JOB
12:49:08PM SITE?
12:49:10PM THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I AM GOING TO BE ASKING IN THE NEAR
12:49:13PM FUTURE, AND I HAVE GOT -- I AM NOT GOING TO HAMMER YOU
12:49:17PM TODAY.
12:49:17PM WE'LL DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS BECAUSE I HAVE GOT SOME
12:49:20PM SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH YOU, AND PROCUREMENT, HOW OUR FRPs
12:49:24PM ARE GOING OUT, EVERYBODY CAN'T EAT.
12:49:29PM WE ARE GOING AT 1%.
12:49:31PM THAT 1% IS DICTATING HOW IT'S GOING TO GO.
12:49:33PM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RFPs AND HAVE STEPS, SO THE SMALL GUY
12:49:38PM CAN EAT, THE MIDDLE GUY CAN EAT, AND THE BIG GUYS ARE
12:49:43PM DICTATING WHO WILL EAT AND WHO WON'T EAT.
12:49:45PM THOSE ARE BIG CONCERNS I HAVE.
12:49:47PM I AM GOING TO GO OVER THIS TODAY BUT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU
12:49:50PM IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION BECAUSE
12:49:52PM WE HAVE TO LOOK HOW WE PUT THESE RFPs OUT AND I CAN
12:49:55PM GUARANTEE YOU, WE DON'T MARKET WELL ENOUGH AT ALL.
12:50:00PM WHY DON'T WE MARK IT MARKET IT?
12:50:04PM WE HAVE A BAD MARKETING STRATEGY WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:50:07PM WE DON'T MARKET AT ALL, IN OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS, WE DON'T
12:50:12PM MARKET -- AND I MADE THAT REFERENCE LAST SATURDAY.
12:50:17PM YOU WANT PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT TO THEM AND GET THE
12:50:20PM INFORMATION TO THEM, NOT SMALL BITS AND PIECES WHERE THE BIG
12:50:25PM GUY, HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN BITE.
12:50:28PM AND THESE THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH OUR PROCESS.
12:50:30PM AND I WANT TO RESERVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS TILL THE END
12:50:33PM OF OUR MEETING.
12:50:35PM >>GREGORY HART: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:50:36PM I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:50:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
12:50:40PM ON 67.
12:50:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU AND
12:50:44PM PARTNER WITH YOU ON THIS.
12:50:45PM IT'S A BIG AREA OF INTEREST AND CONCERN OF MINE ALSO,
12:50:49PM MINORITY PARTICIPATION.
12:50:51PM I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS OF COMPANIES AND
12:50:54PM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE MORE.
12:50:56PM AND THEY GIVE SOME FEEDBACK THAT I WOULD LOVE TO PASS ON TO
12:50:59PM YOU, AND ALSO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
12:51:02PM ONE. IDEAS I WAS TALKING TO, WE HAVE AN ISSUE COMING UP IN
12:51:05PM A LITTLE WHILE, IT'S A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THAN THIS ONE,
12:51:08PM AND ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I HAD -- AND MAYBE WE GET ABOVE A
12:51:13PM CERTAIN SIZE PROJECT TO DO THIS -- IS BESIDE WHATEVER YOU
12:51:16PM ARE DOING ALREADY TO REACH OUT TO MINORITY BUSINESSES IS
12:51:18PM MAYBE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL SPONSORED FAIR FOR PROJECTS ABOVE
12:51:22PM A CERTAIN SIZE.
12:51:24PM BUT THAT WAY, WE ARE COMMUNICATING.
12:51:27PM WE ARE NOT JUST RELYING ON CITY STAFF TO COMMUNICATE.
12:51:29PM WE ARE COMMUNICATING TO ALL OUR NETWORKS AND TELL EVERYBODY,
12:51:33PM THIS IS A $35 MILLION CONTRACT, WE ARE A $3 BILLION CONTRACT
12:51:37PM COMING UP, AND PLEASE TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS THAT ARE
12:51:40PM POSSIBLY QUALIFIED TO COME TO THIS.
12:51:42PM THAT WAY, WE KNOW AT LEAST THAT WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH
12:51:44PM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
12:51:45PM AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER IDEAS LIKE THAT LATER.
12:51:49PM >>GREGORY HART: APPRECIATE IT.
12:51:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
12:51:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:51:54PM >> SECOND.
12:51:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DID YOU HAVE A CONCERN?
12:51:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AND LIKE
12:52:03PM I SAID, I WILL SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION FOR ITEM 67 BUT I
12:52:06PM WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT STAFF WOULD COME
12:52:10PM BACK IN PERSON DURING THE LIFE OF THIS CONTRACT EVERY THREE
12:52:15PM MONTHS TO GIVE US AN UPDATE SPECIFICALLY ON THE WMBE ISSUES.
12:52:20PM >> SECOND.
12:52:21PM >> OKAY.
12:52:22PM ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT, SIR?
12:52:25PM >> YES.
12:52:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WITH A
12:52:27PM FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
12:52:30PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:52:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEPTEMBER?
12:52:36PM I CAN LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CLERK.
12:52:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: I ASSUME WE NEED A DATE.
12:52:41PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:52:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AT THE START OF THE CONTRACT.
12:52:52PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO I HAVE TO PICK EVERY DATE?
12:52:54PM THE FIRST ONE TO START.
12:52:55PM MR. SHELBY.
12:52:56PM THREE MONTHS.
12:52:56PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE COULD START FROM TODAY'S DATE AND GO
12:53:02PM THREE MONTHS OUT.
12:53:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE FIRST SEPTEMBER DATE.
12:53:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SEPTEMBER.
12:53:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:53:23PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:53:26PM AND BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM 68, I NEGLECTED TO ASK, GENTLEMEN,
12:53:30PM OUR CLERKS, DO YOU ALL -- YOU ARE ALL OKAY?
12:53:34PM YOU ARE ALL OKAY?
12:53:35PM AND AFTER 68, JUST SO THAT WE CAN STRETCH, LET'S TAKE A
12:53:38PM TEN-MINUTE BREAK.
12:53:39PM I'M OKAY WITH IT BUT JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT.
12:53:42PM FIVE MINUTES.
12:53:42PM GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
12:53:43PM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE NEXT ITEM 68 IS JUST A COMPANION ITEM.
12:53:48PM IT GOES ALONG WITH NUMBER 67.
12:53:51PM APPROPRIATING THE 8 MILLION AND CHANGE PORTION IT OF THE
12:53:56PM SWFWMD GRANT INTO THIS PROJECT.
12:53:58PM SO FINANCIAL RESOLUTION THAT'S TIED TO THE BIGGER GNP ITEM.
12:54:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
12:54:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION 69 MOTION BY
12:54:08PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:54:09PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:54:11PM ALL IN SUPPORT IN ALL IN FAVOR?
12:54:13PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:54:14PM OKAY.
12:54:14PM WHO IS HERE FOR 69?
12:54:21PM LET'S TAKE A 5-MINUTE BREAK.
12:54:23PM 5 MINUTES.
12:54:24PM WE WILL BE BACK IN FIVE.
12:54:28PM (COUNCIL RECESS).
12:54:36PM
12:58:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
1:13:04PM ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
1:13:07PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
1:13:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
1:13:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
1:13:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
1:13:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
1:13:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND COUNCILMAN CITRO.
1:13:21PM YOU SAID YOU HAD TO LEAVE AT 2 AND YOU WANTED TO QUICKLY
1:13:24PM MAKE A MOTION.
1:13:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
1:13:27PM I DO HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT I MADE BEFORE THE ELECTION ON
1:13:30PM TODAY'S DATE SO I APOLOGIZE.
1:13:31PM BUT THERE IS A MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, AND IF I
1:13:34PM COULD, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK BEFORE I MAKE THIS
1:13:39PM MOTION, I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY THREE WIRELESS CARRIERS,
1:13:44PM AT&T, T MOBILE, VERIZON, ABOUT CONSTRAINTS WITH OUR
1:13:47PM PERMITTING DEPARTMENT WITH INSTALLING 5G WIRELESS NETWORKS.
1:13:52PM SO NOTHING AGAINST OUR WONDERFUL CITY STAFF, AND ESPECIALLY
1:13:55PM OUR PERMITTING DEPARTMENT.
1:13:57PM I AM TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN EXPEDITE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
1:14:03PM HENCE MY MOTION IS IF COUNCIL WILL HOLD A WORKSHOP TO
1:14:05PM DISCUSS HOW WE CAN CREATE BEST PRACTICES TO STREAMLINE THE
1:14:11PM PROCESS OF APPLICATIONS WITH 5G WIRELESS, AND PURSUANT TO
1:14:15PM SUPPORT THE GOALS OF OUR SMALL CELL WIRELESS PROVIDERS, THAT
1:14:19PM WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND ALLOW THE PROVIDERS
1:14:22PM TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND WORK WITH US TO MAKE THIS
1:14:27PM PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT, TO BE HELD, IF I MAY, ON AUGUST
1:14:31PM 29th.
1:14:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
1:14:35PM SECOND, I BELIEVE, BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
1:14:38PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:14:40PM OPPOSED?
1:14:41PM ANYTHING ELSE?
1:14:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
1:14:44PM I WILL STAY AROUND UNTIL I HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LEAVE.
1:14:48PM THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR THIS.
1:14:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS AT THE WORKSHOP
1:14:52PM BUT THE DANGER HERE IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE READY FOR
1:14:55PM SUPER BOWL.
1:14:56PM WE ARE GOING TO BE EMBARRASSED.
1:14:57PM REMEMBER WHEN THE RNC HAPPENED AND CHRIS CHRISTIE WAS
1:15:01PM SWEATING BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY
1:15:05PM THAT WE GOT ON THE RNC.
1:15:07PM BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET INTERNATIONAL NEGATIVE PUBLICITY
1:15:10PM BECAUSE OF THIS IF THIS IS NOT READY.
1:15:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK --
1:15:20PM >> IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS OF THE MEDIA
1:15:22PM COVERAGE OF THE RNC CONVENTION, ALMOST ALL OF THE STORIES,
1:15:25PM MY FIRM FOUND ALL BUT TWO OF THE STORIES HAD AT LEAST ONE
1:15:29PM NEGATIVE COMMENT IN IT.
1:15:30PM AND PART OF IT WAS AROUND THE HEAT AND THE LACK OF SHADE AND
1:15:35PM COVERING AND OTHER THINGS.
1:15:37PM AND IN THIS CASE, BY THE TIME PEOPLE GET HERE FOR THE SUPER
1:15:41PM BOWL, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 5-G.
1:15:45PM AT LEAST AROUND THE SUPER BOWL, AND THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT
1:15:49PM 4-G COVERAGE AND WE DON'T.
1:15:50PM AND THERE'S A REASON THAT THE PARTICULAR PERSON DID NOT LIKE
1:15:54PM THE WAY THESE ANTENNAS LOOKED ON THE SIDEWALK.
1:15:57PM AND THAT'S WHY POTENTIALLY WE ARE GOING TO BE EMBARRASSED.
1:16:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE BUT I REMEMBER SOME
1:16:04PM TIME BACK ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO, THAT
1:16:07PM THIS BE CAME UP ON COUNCIL AND AFTER I FOUND OUT THAT THE
1:16:11PM STATE EXEMPTED THEMSELVES, MADE A SPECIAL DEAL AND THEN
1:16:13PM PASSED A LAW THAT WE, THOSE AREAS, HAD TO PUT THE POLES UP
1:16:17PM FOR $15 A YEAR RENT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND IT
1:16:20PM STUNK.
1:16:21PM AND I DON'T TRUST IT AND I DON'T VERIFY ANYTHING THEY WANT.
1:16:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I CAN MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT.
1:16:28PM YES, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON ON THIS, SHOWING OFF
1:16:33PM THE CITY OF TAMPA IN SUPER BOWL.
1:16:35PM HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE ASKED AT
1:16:37PM THIS TIME, AND I HOPE THAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL
1:16:39PM COME UP WITH SOME REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS AS TO THESE
1:16:43PM PROVIDERS.
1:16:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:16:44PM NOW WE MOVE ON WITH THE REMAINDER OF OUR AGENDA.
1:16:48PM MS. COYLE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU SAID YOU HAD A COMMITMENT THAT
1:16:51PM WOULD PRECLUDE YOU FROM BEING HERE MORE THAN 20 MINUTES FROM
1:16:55PM NOW, I GUESS.
1:16:55PM SO ANY OBJECTION WITH COUNCIL PROCEEDING WITH 71 AND 72
1:17:05PM FIRST?
1:17:06PM >>KRISTIN MORA: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
1:17:21PM SPEAKING YOU BRIEFLY ON ITEM NUMBER 71.
1:17:24PM SO THE DISCUSSION ON MAY 2nd WAS A GROUP HOME CAME IN
1:17:29PM FOR SOME RESIDENTS, AND THEY HAD TO GET A WAIVER FROM THE
1:17:32PM DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
1:17:34PM THE CONVERSATION CAME UP ABOUT WHAT ARE DISTANCE SEPARATION
1:17:37PM REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH?
1:17:40PM THE STATUTE HERE IS 419.001 FLORIDA STATUTES.
1:17:48PM THIS IS FOR THE STATUTE DEEMED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES,
1:17:54PM LIVING FACILITIES, AND OUR CODE WERE BOTH THE SAME THING.
1:17:57PM SO WASH THE STATUTE REQUIRES IS 1,000 FEET BETWEEN THE SMALL
1:18:06PM RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND IT REQUIRES 1200 FEET FOR ANY THAT
1:18:11PM ARE LARGER THAN.
1:18:12PM THAT SO 7 OR MORE BEDS WOULD BE A LARGE RESIDENTIAL HOME
1:18:17PM THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE 1200 FEET.
1:18:20PM SO GRAPHICALLY REPRESENTED.
1:18:27PM YOU HAVE YOUR LARGER ONES.
1:18:29PM BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE SMALLER ONES WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET,
1:18:32PM AND THAT IS FOR PER THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
1:18:35PM OUR CODE PRETTY CLOSELY MIRRORS IT.
1:18:37PM IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL -- WE
1:18:43PM DEAL WITH IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CODE THAT HAVE BEEN
1:18:45PM WE DEAL WITH IT, ZONING DISTRICT, BUT YOU CAN SEE 743, A
1:18:52PM THOUSAND FEET FOR 6 OR FEWER RESIDENTS, AND 6 OR FEWER
1:18:56PM RESIDENTS LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET, AND SPECIAL USE
1:19:00PM CRITERIA DEALING WITH THE 7 AND MORE, THAN COMMUNITY
1:19:07PM RESIDENTIAL HOMES, REQUIRE 1200 FEET.
1:19:11PM SO BOTTOM LINE, OUR CODE REALLY CLOSELY MIRRORS THE STATUTE
1:19:16PM AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE.
1:19:17PM WE ARE CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN FEDERAL
1:19:21PM LITIGATION REGARDING THESE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
1:19:25PM SO ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
1:19:29PM THE STATUTE PROVIDES.
1:19:31PM WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO THE DISTANCE
1:19:33PM SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS AT THIS TIME, BUT I AM HERE IF YOU
1:19:36PM HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, THINGS TO DISCUSS.
1:19:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:19:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY DO WE ALLOW
1:19:46PM IN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF A COMMUNITY?
1:19:49PM >>KRISTIN MORA: WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT YOU ARE CODE
1:19:54PM REGARDING HOW MANY CAN BE IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
1:19:56PM ALL WE HAVE ARE THE DISTANT SEPARATIONS BETWEEN THEM AND
1:19:58PM THAT IS MIRRORING WHAT THE STATUTE.
1:20:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I ASK THAT IS I HAVE A SMALLER
1:20:04PM BOUNDARY AREA, A SMALLER COMMUNITY, AND WE STARTED TO SAY WE
1:20:07PM HAVE GOT FIVE, SIX OF THESE HOMES, SOME OF THEM DIFFERENT
1:20:13PM TYPES OF HOMES.
1:20:15PM THE COMMUNITY SOMETIMES DON'T LIKE CERTAIN THINGS IN THEIR
1:20:18PM COMMUNITY.
1:20:18PM SOMETIMES THEY EMBRACE THEM.
1:20:19PM BUT YOU START PUTTING A REAL EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITIES, IT
1:20:24PM BECOMES AN ISSUE.
1:20:26PM SO HOUSING, HOW MANY DO WE NEED TO HAVE, OR WORKSHOP ON
1:20:35PM THAT?
1:20:36PM BECAUSE I CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING.
1:20:38PM BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MONEY HUNGRY, AND THEY SEE
1:20:42PM ABANDONED DUPLEXES AND BUILDINGS AND PUT GROUP HOMES,
1:20:48PM DISABILITY HOMES.
1:20:49PM SO MY CONCERN IS THE MILE RADIUS OF HOMES THAT WE ARE
1:20:56PM PUTTING IN THERE.
1:20:56PM >>KRISTIN MORA: SO YOUR CONCERN IS -- AND OUR CODE SPEAKS
1:21:00PM TO AN OVERCONCENTRATION OF CERTAIN USES IN CERTAIN AREAS,
1:21:05PM AND THAT'S WHERE THE DISTANCE SEPARATION COMES FROM.
1:21:07PM BUT IT SOUND LIKE YOUR QUESTION IS MORE SPECIFIC TO HOW MANY
1:21:10PM ARE IN A PARTICULAR AREA, NOT NECESSARILY HOW FAR THEY ARE
1:21:14PM FROM EACH OTHER.
1:21:15PM YOU CAN HAVE THREE THERE, BUT THEN THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
1:21:18PM THE LARGER AREA?
1:21:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: RIGHT.
1:21:21PM >>KRISTIN MORA: THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ASK TO BE
1:21:23PM STUDIED.
1:21:24PM IT'S NEVER A BAD THING TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING
1:21:28PM WITH THE WITHIN THE CITY.
1:21:29PM IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE STUDIED.
1:21:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BECAUSE THEY ARE POPPING UP.
1:21:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO ARGUABLY, MR. GUDES, AND CORRECT ME
1:21:39PM IF I AM WRONG, MS. MORA, ARGUABLY, THE STATE ESTABLISHES
1:21:45PM THIS AS A MINIMUM DISTANCE SEPARATION, ARGUABLY IF WE GET
1:21:52PM FINDINGS OF OUR OWN DURING AN ORDINANCE PROCESS OR WHATEVER,
1:21:55PM WORKSHOP ORDINANCE, WE COULD ENLARGE THAT DISTANCE
1:22:00PM SEPARATION, WHICH COULD HAVE THE -- WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF
1:22:03PM REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ANY TYPES OF THESE TYPES OF
1:22:07PM FACILITIES WITHIN ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY.
1:22:12PM ARGUABLY.
1:22:15PM I'M NOT SAYING I ADVOCATE THAT.
1:22:17PM I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
1:22:19PM I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED IN TERMS OF
1:22:24PM ADA, AND RIGHTS, AND CIVIL RIGHTS, AND POTENTIAL LAWSUITS,
1:22:29PM ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
1:22:31PM AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE VERY REASONABLE AND CAREFUL WHEN WE
1:22:34PM ESTABLISH THOSE DISTANCE SEPARATIONS.
1:22:36PM BUT TO PERHAPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, THAT IS
1:22:40PM ONE WAY TO SKIN THAT CAT.
1:22:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN SAY THAT THESE CONGREGATE LIVING
1:22:48PM FACILITIES AND GROUP HOMES FOR THE ELDERLY, THAT'S MAINLY
1:22:52PM WHAT THEY ARE NO LOT OF AREAS, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH IN
1:22:58PM NEED.
1:22:59PM NO MATTER IF IT'S 1200 FEET, AND WE CONTINUE -- I AM NOT
1:23:03PM SAYING THIS COUNCIL, WE MEANING ELECTED OFFICIALS --
1:23:07PM CONTINUE TO SAY, WELL,IS ONLY 1150 FEET, AND YOU KEEP
1:23:12PM THINKING, 1200 FEET, AND YOU KEEP GIVING THEM 900 FEET, 800
1:23:17PM FEET, AND I CAN NAME YOU TWO OF THEM.
1:23:21PM ONE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ONE, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
1:23:27PM IT'S LIKE THE SIZE OF THE OTHER ONE.
1:23:30PM MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF IT'S 200 FEET OR 2,000 FEET.
1:23:35PM IF YOU KEEP GIVING THEM THE PREFERENCE OF CHANGING THAT
1:23:38PM WAIVER AND GOING BACK TO WHATEVER YOU WANT, THEN DON'T MAKE
1:23:44PM IT ANY DISTANCE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER.
1:23:46PM AND WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE MEANING ELECTED OFFICIALS, NOT
1:23:49PM THIS BODY, MANY TIMES OVER.
1:23:51PM I'M JUST SAYING.
1:23:52PM I TRUST -- AND I WILL VERIFY, BECAUSE THE RULES HAVE CHANGED
1:23:59PM TO WHOEVER COMES BEFORE THE PODIUM.
1:24:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
1:24:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK YOUR PURPOSE IN BRINGING THIS UP WAS
1:24:09PM TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WE HAD DURING THAT ONE ITEM, SO I
1:24:11PM THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP.
1:24:16PM >>CATHERINE COYLE: I JUST WANTED TO MENTION AS OPPOSED TO
1:24:19PM DOING THAT STUDY OF WHERE THEY ARE, A LICENSE BY THE STATE,
1:24:25PM THERE IS ACTUALLY A WEBSITE.
1:24:26PM IT'S A FACILITY WEBSITE THAT'S RUN BY THAT PARTICULAR AGENCY
1:24:30PM AND THAT'S HOW WE FIND WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE IN A CERTAIN
1:24:32PM DISTANCE.
1:24:33PM OR I CAN SEND A LINK TO EACH OF YOU AND YOU CAN GO IN AND
1:24:36PM LOW AT THE GEOGRAPHY AND SEE WHERE ALL THE FACILITIES ARE,
1:24:39PM THE NAME, LICENSE NUMBERS, CONTACT INFORMATION.
1:24:42PM THAT WAY YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, IN WHAT AREAS OF THE CITY.
1:24:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
1:24:48PM NEXT WE MOVE -- OH, NEXT MOVE TO ITEM 72.
1:24:53PM THAT WAS MR. MANISCALCO WENT TO THE RESTROOM.
1:24:59PM AND 73.
1:25:00PM >>REBECCA KERT: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
1:25:06PM I'M HERE ON ITEM 72, WHICH WAS A REQUEST TO APPEAR AND
1:25:11PM ADDRESS THE FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING AND SHOE DROP LOCATION SITES
1:25:15PM DUE TO SEVERAL COMPLAINTS AT THE DISTRICT.
1:25:17PM THIS WAS MADE ON MAY 24th.
1:25:19PM WE HAD TWO WEEKS TO LOOK INTO THAT.
1:25:22PM AND MY INITIAL REVIEW OF THIS TWO WEEKS, DONATION BOXES --
1:25:28PM >> POINT OF ORDER?
1:25:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I KNOW.
1:25:31PM AND I AM TEXTING MR. MANISCALCO.
1:25:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANISCALCO, UP MIGHT WANT TO COME
1:25:39PM BACK. THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
1:25:44PM >>REBECCA KERT: DONATION SITES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME
1:25:48PM LEVEL OF BE SPEECH AS DETERMINED BY THE COURTS, ARE
1:25:52PM PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT --
1:25:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF WE COULD JUST WAIT 30 SECOND FOR GUIDO.
1:26:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: GO TO ANOTHER ONE?
1:26:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: WANT TO DO 73?
1:26:07PM LET'S DO 73.
1:26:09PM ANYONE HERE FOR 73?
1:26:15PM ACTUALLY, STRIKE THAT.
1:26:17PM LET'S SAVE THAT ONE FOR LAST.
1:26:18PM WE'LL JUST WAIT.
1:26:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE 69.
1:26:32PM 70.
1:26:33PM AND IT 69 AND 70 ARE GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
1:26:41PM AND YOU ARE GOING?
1:26:44PM MRS. KERT?
1:26:45PM >>REBECCA KERT: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
1:26:48PM I AM HERE ON ITEM 72, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO APPEAR AND
1:26:53PM ADDRESS THE FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING AND SHAW DROP LOCATION SITES
1:26:56PM DUE TO SEVERAL COMPLAINTS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
1:26:58PM SO AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD TWO WEEKS TO LOOK INTO THIS AND I CAN
1:27:01PM TELL KNEW TWO WEEKS WE DETERMINED THAT DONATION SITES, THE
1:27:05PM COURT HAS DETERMINED HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION.
1:27:09PM THIS WAS PARTICULARLY LIMITED TO FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING SO I AM
1:27:13PM NOT SURE FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING OR DONATION SITES, BUT HOWEVER
1:27:16PM YOU LOOK AT THESE, PROBABLY SOME OF THEM WOULD FALL INTO A
1:27:20PM CONTEXT THAT WAS PROTECTED EVEN IF IT WASN'T ALL OF THEM.
1:27:23PM IN LIGHT OF THAT, AND ALSO IN RESPONSE TO THE SECOND PART OF
1:27:27PM THE MOTION WHICH WAS, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON OUR CODE TO HELP
1:27:31PM REGULATE THIS ISSUE, YOU DO CURRENTLY HAVE SOME PROVISIONS
1:27:38PM THAT APPLY TO THESE.
1:27:40PM WHAT THESE ACTUAL COMPLAINTS ARE WEREN'T PART OF THE MOTION
1:27:44PM BUT SOME OF THEM ARE INTUITIVE, UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF
1:27:46PM THESE AND LOOKING AT THE CASES AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT
1:27:49PM AROSE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THESE.
1:27:52PM AND THOSE INCLUDE THE ACCUMULATION, PEOPLE DROPPING OFF AT
1:27:56PM THE BOXES BEING FULL, SO THERE'S ACCUMULATION OUTSIDE OF THE
1:27:59PM BOXES.
1:28:00PM IN ADDITION TO THE BOXES BEING PLACED IN LOCATIONS THAT ARE
1:28:04PM BLOCKING PARKING OR OTHER SITES.
1:28:07PM SO CURRENTLY UNDER OUR CODE, THEY ARE TREATED AS A PORTABLE
1:28:11PM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A
1:28:15PM COMMUNITY ASPECT TO THEM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A SPEECH
1:28:18PM ASPECT SO IT'S COMPLETELY CONTENT NEUTRAL.
1:28:21PM THESE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REDUCED REQUIRED PARKING, SETS
1:28:25PM BACKS OR REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
1:28:26PM SO THEY ARE PLACED IN AREAS THAT CAUSE NUMEROUS PROBLEMS.
1:28:29PM THERE IS ALREADY A CODE VIOLATION.
1:28:31PM IN ADDITION, YOUR CHAPTER 19 OF YOUR CODE PREVENTS
1:28:35PM ACCUMULATIONS.
1:28:36PM SO IF THERE ARE ACCUMULATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE BOX THAT'S ALSO
1:28:40PM ALREADY A CODE VIOLATION.
1:28:41PM I DID SPEAK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY DID TELL ME THAT
1:28:44PM THEY ARE ENFORCING THAT, AND SO IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, AND
1:28:49PM I HEARD THERE WERE SEVERAL COMPLAINTS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT
1:28:52PM I SUGGEST YOU DIRECT THEM TO CODE ENFORCEMENT WHO HAS TOLD
1:28:55PM ME THEY ARE PREPARED TO ENFORCE THOSE CODES.
1:28:58PM AND IF THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND THERE'S FURTHER PROBLEMS,
1:29:01PM THEN PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
1:29:02PM BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION HOW TO PROCEED ON THIS
1:29:05PM MATTER.
1:29:06PM >>LUIS VIERA: ALL RIGHT.
1:29:09PM MR. MANISCALCO, THEN MR. GUDES.
1:29:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS YOU SAID CODE HAS SOME JURISDICTION
1:29:17PM BUT IF IT CONTINUES, AND CONTINUES OUT OF CONTROL, AND JUST
1:29:21PM GETS OUT OF HAND, THEN WE WILL REVISIT THAT.
1:29:23PM BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME BASIS OR FOUNDATION
1:29:27PM THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY TO MONITOR OR CONTROL
1:29:30PM THESE.
1:29:32PM THANK YOU.
1:29:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
1:29:39PM SO CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE
1:29:43PM ACTUAL OWNER OF THE BOX OR BOTH?
1:29:45PM >> THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE BOTH.
1:29:48PM TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO CODE ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THE CODE
1:29:51PM ENFORCEMENT HEARING MASTER PROCESS, YOU ARE GOING TO
1:29:54PM BE -- THE RESULT OF THAT IS A FINE WHICH TURNS INTO A LIEN,
1:29:57PM SO THAT TYPICALLY IS GOING TO GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
1:30:00PM THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE POTENTIAL, WE HAVE OTHER CODE
1:30:06PM TOOLS IN OUR TOOL BOX THAT COULD BE USED TO GO AFTER THE
1:30:09PM PERSON THAT IS PUTTING IT THERE
1:30:10PM SO GENERALLY, IT WOULD BE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER'S
1:30:13PM STANDPOINT, ALLOWING THE BOX TO BE THERE.
1:30:15PM BUT IF THAT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE PARTICULAR SITUATION, WE
1:30:20PM DO HAVE SOME OTHER TOOLS TO BE UTILIZED.
1:30:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
1:30:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
1:30:27PM THANK YOU.
1:30:28PM NEXT, MS. COYLE, THESE ARE THE LAST TWO, CORRECT?
1:30:33PM GOOD LUCK.
1:30:33PM NEXT WE MOVE ONTO TO ITEM 69 AND 70.
1:30:40PM I'M SORRY.
1:30:43PM I WAS THINKING OF 68.
1:30:45PM >> CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT.
1:30:48PM ITEM 69 IS FOR SERVICE PUMP STATION AND MISCELLANEOUS
1:30:51PM IMPROVEMENTS AT THE DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT
1:30:54PM FACILITY.
1:30:55PM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
1:30:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
1:30:59PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
1:31:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHUCK, I THINK YOU WERE SITTING OR HIDING
1:31:08PM IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WHEN THE OTHER WMBE DISCUSSION WAS
1:31:12PM GOING ON ABOUT YOUR EARLIER ITEM, 67?
1:31:15PM >> I WAS HERE.
1:31:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAS THE QUESTION I HAD AS RELATED TO
1:31:20PM 69.
1:31:22PM AGAIN, THE COVER SHEET -- AND I APPRECIATE THE
1:31:24PM STRAIGHTFORWARD NATURE OF THE COVER SHEET SAYS THE
1:31:27PM CONTRACTOR REPORTS 11.22% CUMULATIVE WMBE PARTICIPATIONS
1:31:38PM ADDED UP, AND THEY ATTACHED SOME KIND OF FORMS I.DON'T KNOW
1:31:41PM WHAT THOSE DMI FORMS ARE, BUT I ASSUME THAT PROBABLY TELLS
1:31:44PM US THAN WHO OR WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING.
1:31:47PM BUT AGAIN, WE ARE SHORT OF THE STATED CITY GOAL OF 15%.
1:31:58PM WE ARE SHORT ON THE FRONT END GOING IN TO A SIGNIFICANT
1:32:04PM CONTRACT OF $4 MILLION.
1:32:05PM AND I JUST WONDER HOW FAR WE PUSH, HOW HARD WE PUSH, AND IS
1:32:11PM THAT YOU DOING THE PUSHING OR MR. HART OR BOTH?
1:32:15PM >> BOTH, SIR.
1:32:16PM LET ME CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.
1:32:18PM THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS JUST DESIGN ONLY.
1:32:21PM THE PROJECT IS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT.
1:32:25PM AND WE WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE CCNA PROCEDURE TO LOOK FOR
1:32:31PM A CONSULTANT.
1:32:32PM AND IN THAT PROCESS, THIS PARTICULAR CONSULTANT SCORED VERY
1:32:36PM HIGH WITH EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
1:32:42PM THIS DESIGN PHASE, THERE'S I THINK 7 IF NOT 8 DIFFERENT
1:32:48PM SMALL OR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY BUSINESS COMPANIES THAT ARE
1:32:50PM PARTICIPATING IN THE DESIGN PHASE ALONE.
1:32:53PM AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL GET THE 15% MARK EASILY WHEN
1:32:57PM THE CONSTRUCTION HITS.
1:33:00PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
1:33:01PM I LOOK FORWARD TO IT AND MAKE SURE YOU POINT IT OUT WHEN YOU
1:33:04PM DO.
1:33:06PM THANK YOU.
1:33:06PM >> YES, SIR.
1:33:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
1:33:09PM OKAY.
1:33:09PM ANYONE WISH TO MOVE FOR THE RESOLUTION?
1:33:13PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
1:33:15PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:33:17PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:33:18PM ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
1:33:19PM WE MOVE NOW TO ITEM 70.
1:33:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD: PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATOR.
1:33:30PM BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CHUCK WEBER HAND
1:33:34PM OUT A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION.
1:33:38PM THE REASON I'M DOING THIS IS SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
1:33:44PM THAT WE BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY, THE PRESENTATION HAS CHANGED
1:33:50PM QUITE A BIT SINCE THEN.
1:33:51PM I SHOULDN'T SAY QUITE A BIT, BUT IN SOME OF THE SMALLER
1:33:53PM AREAS.
1:33:55PM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE BRIEFED OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS,
1:33:58PM YOU WON'T SEE MUCH CHANGE.
1:34:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GIVE OR TAKE A BILLION DOLLARS?
1:34:12PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, THE NUMBERS STAY QUITE THE SAME.
1:34:15PM PULL UP THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
1:34:18PM SO GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA QUICKLY.
1:34:21PM I WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW PLUS GO THROUGH A FEW ITEMS THAT
1:34:26PM WERE RAISED IN THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
1:34:28PM THEN TURN IT OVER TO MR. CHUCK WEBER, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF
1:34:32PM THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
1:34:34PM WHO WILL TALK ABOUT HIS TWO MASTER PLANS AND ALL THE WATER
1:34:38PM DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
1:34:39PM THEN FOLLOWING CHUCK WILL BE WASTEWATER NEEDS BY ERIC WEISS,
1:34:45PM WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
1:34:48PM AND THEN SONYA LITTLE, OUR CFO, OF COURSE, WILL WRAP IT UP
1:34:54PM WITH FUNDING SCENARIOS OF HOW WE FUND THESE TWO MASTER
1:34:59PM PROGRAMS.
1:35:04PM SO THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT IS A LARGE FORCE MAIN BREAK IN
1:35:09PM FRONT OF ONE OF OUR MASTER PUMPING STATIONS ON 131st
1:35:14PM AVENUE, AND A FORCE MAIN IS A WASTEWATER PIPELINE THAT IS
1:35:18PM UNDER PRESSURE.
1:35:20PM AND ERIC WILL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT IN HIS
1:35:24PM PRESENTATION.
1:35:25PM THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT IS A TYPICAL CAVE-IN WHERE DIRT
1:35:32PM ABOVE THE PIPELINE GOES INTO A FAILED PIPELINE BECAUSE THE
1:35:36PM WATER TABLE IS ABOVE THAT PIPELINE, TYPICALLY, AND IT JUST
1:35:40PM TAKES THE DIRT INTO THE PIPELINE UNTIL YOU SEE THIS ON THE
1:35:42PM ROADWAY SURFACE.
1:35:45PM AND THIS LOCATION WAS ON ARMENIA JUST NORTH OF KENNEDY
1:35:48PM BOULEVARD.
1:35:52PM AND THEN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURES ARE ON THE INCREASE
1:35:55PM AS WELL.
1:35:57PM THIS HAPPENS TO BE A MAJOR WATER MAIN BREAK ON NORTH ROME
1:36:03PM AVENUE, AND IN THIS BREAK, WATER WAS SHUT DOWN FOR UP TO A
1:36:09PM WEEK, AND WATER WENT INTO SEVERAL HOMES.
1:36:17PM WE HAD TO RESTORE, DRY OUT, AND CLEAN UP AND RESTORE IT.
1:36:27PM THIS SLIDE IS ONE OF THE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING.
1:36:35PM I NEED TO CREDIT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR ASKING LAST TIME TO
1:36:39PM ADD THIS SLIDE.
1:36:40PM SO WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING?
1:36:43PM I'M USING WASTEWATER EXAMPLE HERE, BUT THIS APPLIES TO THE
1:36:48PM WATER DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
1:36:54PM REACTIVE COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE, TO REPAIR CAVE-INS, FORCED
1:36:58PM MAIN BREAKS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TREATMENT PLANT.
1:37:02PM AND THIS IS JUST ASSOCIATED WITH, IN THIS CASE, THE
1:37:07PM COLLECTION SYSTEM.
1:37:08PM SO THE COSTS FOR DOING NOTHING, THEY INCLUDE EXPOSURE TO
1:37:15PM CONSENT ORDERS, REDUCTION IN BOND RATINGS, AND DEPLETION OF
1:37:21PM RESERVES.
1:37:23PM AND THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE ON THIS SLIDE IS THAN THAT
1:37:28PM REACTIVE COSTS, WHEN YOU ARE REACTING TO AN EMERGENCY, ARE
1:37:33PM AT LEAST DOUBLE, SOMETIMES MORE THAN IF YOU WERE PROACTIVE
1:37:37PM AND YOU WERE ABLE TO FIX THE PIPELINE BEFORE IT FAILED.
1:37:46PM CERTAINLY THIS PROBLEM IS GETTING WORSE AND IS NOT GOING
1:37:49PM AWAY.
1:37:51PM SO WE WILL GET INTO DETAILED NUMBERS LATER IN THE
1:37:54PM PRESENTATION, BUT THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR TOTAL WATER,
1:37:58PM WASTEWATER CIP NEEDS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WHICH EQUALS
1:38:03PM 3.2 BILLION.
1:38:05PM AND THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN ORANGE.
1:38:06PM AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S FRONT-END LOADED.
1:38:10PM ANOTHER AREA THAT BOTH CHUCK AND ERIC WILL GET INTO.
1:38:15PM THE BLUE SHOWS WHAT WE ARE FUNDED WITH EXISTING REVENUES
1:38:19PM STARTING IN 2016.
1:38:21PM AND FUNDS USING AVAILABLE RESERVES, MAINTAINING RESERVES IN
1:38:29PM ACCORDANCE WITH OUR INTERNAL POLICIES.
1:38:30PM YOU CAN SEE THE LAST MAJOR SPIKE IN THE BLUE IS IN 2019.
1:38:36PM SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE, BUT YOU CAN
1:38:40PM SEE PRETTY QUICKLY, WE RUN OUT OF MONEY, AND FACE THE
1:38:49PM POSSIBILITY OF GOING UNDER THOSE RESERVE POLICY AMOUNTS THAT
1:38:53PM WE HAVE SET UP.
1:38:59PM NOW TO MY LAST SLIDE.
1:39:00PM THE ITEMS RAISED IN INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS, THE FIRST ONE IS
1:39:05PM HOW DO WATER, WASTEWATER, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS DOVETAIL
1:39:11PM WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DO THEY INCLUDE A GROWTH
1:39:14PM COMPONENT?
1:39:14PM SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS WE ARE PROPOSING FOR
1:39:18PM BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER ARE REHABILITATION OF REPLACEMENT
1:39:24PM PROJECTS THAT DO NOT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
1:39:26PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
1:39:27PM HOWEVER, ON THE WATER SIDE, WATER TREATMENT EXPANSION
1:39:32PM PROJECTS, WATER SUPPLY, REUSE PROJECTS, WILL BE ADDED TO THE
1:39:39PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THIS PLAN IS APPROVED.
1:39:43PM SO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM INCLUDING THE TREATMENT PLANT, I
1:39:48PM WANT TO POINT OUT, WAS BUILT WITH PLENTY OF CAPACITY, WAS
1:39:52PM EXPANDED IN THE LATE 1980s, AND THAT'S WHY WE DO NOT HAVE
1:39:57PM A GROWTH COMPONENT WITH THAT DEPARTMENT.
1:40:02PM THE SECOND QUESTION IS REALLY COORDINATING WITH THE OTHER
1:40:05PM PROGRAMS, LIKE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION AND THE STORMWATER
1:40:10PM IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
1:40:12PM IT OBVIOUSLY IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO COORDINATE WASTE,
1:40:16PM WASTEWATER, TRANSPORTATION, STORMWATER.
1:40:18PM WE DON'T WANT TO WAIVE PAVE THE STREET OR PUT NO SIDEWALK TO
1:40:21PM COME BACK A YEAR LATER TO TEAR IT UP, TO PUT IN A WATER
1:40:24PM LINE.
1:40:26PM OR DO SOME STORMWATER WORK, FOR INSTANCE.
1:40:29PM SO WE WANT TO COORDINATE THAT.
1:40:32PM AND WHAT WE HAVE STARTED DOING, WE PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF
1:40:38PM FOUR ENGINEERS, THREE DIRECTORS, USING GIS TO LAY THESE
1:40:41PM PROGRAMS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND SEE WHERE WE HAVE SOME
1:40:44PM HIGH PRIORITIES, THERE WERE THREE OF THE AREAS, THAT MAYBE
1:40:51PM WE GET FIRST, AND WE PACKAGE THESE PROJECTS BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
1:40:56PM SO WE IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE TIME.
1:41:04PM THE NEXT ONE IS ON PUBLIC OUTREACH.
1:41:07PM AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS ABSOLUTELY PUBLIC OUTREACH WILL BE
1:41:10PM A KEY COMPONENT TO IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS.
1:41:15PM EVERY DESIGN-BUILD TEAM, EVERY PROGRAM MANAGER, EVERY PART
1:41:22PM OF A PROGRAM THAT WE PUT IN WILL HAVE AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC
1:41:26PM OUTREACH PROGRAM.
1:41:29PM AND THEN FINALLY, ON WMBE AND SBLE FOCUS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY
1:41:36PM A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TODAY.
1:41:38PM THIS IS CERTAINLY A MUST AND SOMETHING MAYOR CASTOR HAS
1:41:42PM STRESSED.
1:41:42PM WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAMP THAT UP WITH THESE BIG
1:41:46PM PROGRAMS.
1:41:48PM IT'S PARAMOUNT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
1:41:51PM WE WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER CONTROL GOALS AND THE STRUCTURE OF
1:41:56PM HOW WE DO THAT WITH A LARGER PROGRAM, AND IT WILL BE MUCH
1:42:00PM BETTER THAN BEING PIECEMEALED ON A LOT OF SMALL DESIGN BID
1:42:07PM BILLED WORK OR DONE BY AN EMERGENCY, OBVIOUSLY, BY EMERGENCY
1:42:10PM YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR WMBE PARTICIPATION.
1:42:17PM AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CHUCK WEBER.
1:42:26PM >> CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT.
1:42:31PM SO AS BRAD MENTIONED, WE HAD TWO MASTER PLANS, ONE FOR THE
1:42:35PM TREATMENT FACILITIES AND ONE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
1:42:39PM BE AT THE TREATMENT PLANT, WE STARTED BY ASSESSING ALL THE
1:42:42PM DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, STRUCTURES THAT WE HAD.
1:42:46PM THERE WERE OVER 3,000 DIFFERENT FEATURES, EQUIPMENT,
1:42:49PM STRUCTURES, THAT WE ASSESSED.
1:42:51PM WE WENT AND LOOKED AT FIVE YEARS WORTH OF MAINTENANCE
1:42:54PM RECORDS.
1:42:54PM AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE
1:42:59PM WITH THE EQUIPMENT, WITH THESE DIFFERENT TREATMENT PROCESSES
1:43:02PM AND WITH THE STRUCTURES.
1:43:02PM THE NEXT THING WE DID WAS AN EVALUATION.
1:43:05PM WE LOOKED AT WHETHER OR NOT OUR CURRENT TREATMENT PROCESSES
1:43:08PM WERE CAPABLE OF MEETING FUTURE REGULATIONS AND HOW WELL WE
1:43:13PM WERE MEETING OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
1:43:15PM WE ALSO DID SOME BENCHMARKING.
1:43:17PM WE WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF HOW WELL ARE WE DOING
1:43:20PM WITH WHAT WE HAVE COMPARED TO OTHERS WHO HAVE THE SIMILAR
1:43:23PM TREATMENT PROCESS.
1:43:24PM AND WHAT WE FOUND, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF CHEMICAL USE
1:43:27PM AND ENERGY USE, THAT WE ARE TOP NOTCH.
1:43:31PM WE ARE DOING THE BEST THAT WE FEEL CAN BE POSSIBLY DONE WITH
1:43:34PM THE TREATMENT PROCESSES AND EQUIPMENT.
1:43:38PM THE NEXT STEP WAS TO TAKE ALL THOSE EVALUATIONS, ASSESSMENTS
1:43:41PM AND BENCHMARKING, AND IDENTIFY A LIST OF PROJECTS AND
1:43:46PM PRIORITIZE THEM, AND THEN DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION PHASING AS TO
1:43:52PM BE PRIORITIZE HOW WE CAN MANAGE TO CONSTRUCT, AND WHAT WE
1:43:56PM WANT TO DO.
1:43:58PM ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND WITH THE EVALUATION WAS THAT WE
1:44:05PM ARE NOT QUITE CAPABLE OF RELIABLY PRODUCING AS MUCH WATER AS
1:44:11PM THE PLANT IS RATED.
1:44:13PM THE PLANT IS CURRENTLY RATED AT 120 MILLION GALLONS A DAY,
1:44:16PM AND THAT'S FOR A MAX DAY CAPACITY.
1:44:19PM RIGHT NOW WE CAN ONLY RELIABLY PRODUCE 110 OR 120 BE MILLION
1:44:26PM GALLONS A DAY AND THAT'S DUE TO AGING EQUIPMENT.
1:44:29PM THE PLANT WAS PUT INTO SERVICE IN 1925 AND WE ARE STILL
1:44:32PM RUNNING THE ORIGINAL PUMPS, THE HIGH SERVICE PUMPS AND THE
1:44:37PM ORIGINAL FILTERS.
1:44:38PM AND THAT'S REALLY A TESTAMENT TO HOW WELL THE PLANT HAS BEEN
1:44:42PM MAINTAINED.
1:44:42PM BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP MAINTAINING EQUIPMENT THAT OLD,
1:44:45PM WHENEVER WE HAVE TO DO ROUTINE MAINTENANCE OR EMERGENCY
1:44:48PM MAINTENANCE, WHERE THAT PART IS FABRICATED AND THERE AREN'T
1:44:54PM ANY PEOPLE THAT MAKE THIS STUFF ANYMORE.
1:44:55PM SO IT'S BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN THIS EQUIPMENT
1:44:58PM THAN IT IS TO BUILD A WHOLE NEW PUMP STATION.
1:45:01PM THE OTHER THING THAT THIS GRAPH SHOWS IS OUT IN THE FUTURE,
1:45:05PM WE HAVE A CAPACITY COMPONENT.
1:45:07PM WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DEMANDS OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS, AND
1:45:11PM BY 2032 WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE 134 MILLION GALLONS A
1:45:16PM DAY.
1:45:17PM FOR THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, UNLIKE THE TREATMENT PLANT, ALL
1:45:23PM OF THIS STUFF IS BURIED.
1:45:25PM SO WE CAN'T SEE IT.
1:45:26PM IT'S UNDER PRESSURE, SO WE CAN'T PUT A CAMERA DOWN THERE AND
1:45:30PM LOOK AT IT.
1:45:30PM SO WHAT WE DID WAS A RISK ANALYSIS.
1:45:33PM WE DIVIDED UP THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM INTO 30,000-SOME-ODD
1:45:40PM DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AND LOOKED AT WHAT THE PIPES WERE MADE
1:45:44PM OF, WHAT SOIL THEY WERE IN, HOW OLD THEY WERE, AND WE USED
1:45:48PM THAT INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PROBABILITY OF THE
1:45:51PM FAILURE WAS.
1:45:52PM AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE THE CONSEQUENCES OF
1:45:54PM FAILURE.
1:45:55PM AND THOSE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, WELL, IS IT IN FRONT OF A
1:45:58PM HOSPITAL?
1:45:59PM IS IT ON BROREIN AVENUE OR IS IT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE?
1:46:05PM AND WE TOOK THE CONSEQUENCES AND COME UP WITH A RISK SCORE.
1:46:08PM FOR EACH OF THOSE SEGMENTS OF PIPE, WE RATED AND ORGANIZED
1:46:13PM THEM BY RISK TO DETERMINE WHEN THEY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED
1:46:19PM AND WHAT CODE.
1:46:22PM THIS SHOWS OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, JUST WHAT FACTS WE HAVE
1:46:26PM OVER 10 OR 11 SQUARE MILES, SERVICE POPULATION OF 630,000.
1:46:32PM ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL NOTICE IS OUR SERVICE AREA
1:46:36PM EXTENDS BEYOND CITY BOUNDARIES AND DOES SERVE PART OF
1:46:40PM UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
1:46:41PM WE HAVE OVER 23 HUNDRED MILES OF PIPE.
1:46:43PM ALMOST 50,000 VALVES.
1:46:45PM 14,000 HYDRANTS.
1:46:46PM AND 98% OF THAT IS UNSEEN.
1:46:52PM TO PUT MILES OF PIPELINE INTO PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD TAKE YOU
1:46:56PM FROM HERE TO CALIFORNIA.
1:46:58PM THIS SLIDE IS AN IMPORTANT SLIDE, MAYBE ANSWERING THE
1:47:02PM QUESTION OF WHY ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASE IN MAIN BREAKS AND
1:47:06PM WHY DO WE HAVE TO RAMP UP OUR PROGRAM?
1:47:08PM WHAT THIS SLIDE SHOWS IS THE MILES OF PIPE THAT WERE PUT IN,
1:47:11PM IN EACH DECADE.
1:47:12PM YOU CAN SEE IN THE 1940s AND 1950s WE REALLY RAMPED UP
1:47:16PM HOW MUCH PIPE WE WERE PUTTING IN THE GROUND.
1:47:18PM AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL IF YOU LOOK ALONG THE WHOLE EASTERN
1:47:21PM THAN SEABOARD AS A FAMILIAR STORY.
1:47:24PM AND THE OTHER THING TO NOTICE IS FOR DECADES AFTER THE 40s
1:47:28PM AND 50s, WE WERE STILL INSTALLING PIPE.
1:47:32PM THE PIPE WE WERE INSTALLING IN THE 40s AND 50s WAS
1:47:36PM MAINLY CAST IRON PIPE, HAS AN AGE OF 80 TO 100 YEARS, SO WE
1:47:40PM ARE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS PIPE FAILING.
1:47:43PM UNLIKE THE PIPE THAT WAS PUT IN BEFORE, THERE WASN'T THAT
1:47:46PM MANY MILES OF PIPE.
1:47:47PM SO WE HAVE TO RAMP UP OUR PROGRAM.
1:47:49PM THERE'S A LOT MORE PIPE THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED
1:47:52PM SOONER.
1:47:52PM AND THEN THE OTHER STORY THAT THIS PICTURE TELLS IS IT'S NOT
1:47:55PM GOING TO GO AWAY FOR A LONG TIME.
1:47:58PM FOR EACH DECADE AFTER THAT, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT PIPE AND
1:48:03PM COMES THROUGH AS WELL.
1:48:05PM THIS SLIDE SHOWS IF INCREASE IN MAIN BREAKS THAT WE HAVE HAD
1:48:08PM OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
1:48:11PM WE HAVE DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF BREAKS ON AVERAGE.
1:48:15PM AND IT ALSO SHOWS EACH COLUMN AREA IS A MONTH.
1:48:18PM AND IT SHOWS HOW MANY MAIN BREAKS WE HAVE BASED ON THE MONTH
1:48:22PM OF THE YEAR.
1:48:23PM AND YOU CAN SEE IN JANUARY, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE MOST
1:48:28PM MAIN BREAKS, AND IT'S DUE TO THE COLD WEATHER COMBINED WITH
1:48:31PM THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE STRESS FROM THE COLD
1:48:35PM WEATHER.
1:48:37PM YOU CAN SEE THE LAST JANUARY WE HAD 220 MAIN BREAKS, AND
1:48:42PM IT'S QUITE A BIG SPIKE COMPARED TO PREVIOUS JANUARYS.
1:48:46PM THE OTHER THING TO NOTICE IS THAT WE ARE AVERAGING ABOUT 100
1:48:52PM MAIN BREAKS BEFORE JANUARY, AND ALTHOUGH WE HAD THREE
1:48:55PM CONTRACTORS ON BOARD, WHEN WE HAVE A SPIKE IN MAIN BREAKS
1:48:58PM LIKE THAT, WE ARE OVERWHELMED IN REPAIRING THEM, BUT WE ARE
1:49:02PM ALSO OVERWHELMED IN RESTORING THAN THE STREETS AND THE
1:49:06PM SIDEWALKS AFTER WE REPAIR THEM BECAUSE WE CANNOT FIND ENOUGH
1:49:11PM CONTRACTORS TO HANDLE THAT WORKLOAD.
1:49:13PM SO WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
1:49:15PM DIFFERENT.
1:49:16PM IT'S BECOME VERY EXPENSIVE TO BE TRY TO MANAGE A WORKLOAD
1:49:21PM LIKE THIS.
1:49:24PM THIS SHOWS SOME OF OUR LARGER APPROXIMATE THAT -- PROJECTS
1:49:28PM THAT CAME OUT OF THE TWO MASTER PLANS.
1:49:30PM ONE OF THE LARGEST AND MOST URGENT WAS THE PIPELINE
1:49:33PM REPLACEMENT, HAVE TO BE REPLACE OVER 500 MAILS OF PIPELINE
1:49:37PM AT A COST OF ROUGHLY $672 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
1:49:42PM WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE WATER SUPPLY OR REUSE PROJECT TO FOR
1:49:49PM ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, DROUGHT PARAGRAPHING, MINIMUM FLOW FROM
1:49:51PM THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
1:49:53PM I MENTIONED THE HIGH SERVICE PUMP STATIONS EARLIER THAT IS
1:49:57PM NOT A SMALL ITEM.
1:49:59PM AND THEN ALSO THE DISINFECTION SYSTEM THAT HAVE BEEN WE USE
1:50:03PM OZONE FOR THAT.
1:50:04PM SYSTEM NEEDS TO HAVE THE GENERATORS REPLACED.
1:50:07PM AND WHEN THE EXPANSION COMPONENT FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT IS
1:50:13PM $224 MILLION.
1:50:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, QUESTION.
1:50:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE GO BACK FOR A SECOND?
1:50:23PM JUST FOR MY COLLEAGUES SINCE I CAN'T TALK TO YOU OUTSIDE
1:50:27PM THIS CHAMBER, NUMBER 2 HERE ORIGINALLY SAID TAP, AND I THINK
1:50:35PM THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAVE LOTS OF
1:50:38PM PUBLIC INPUT.
1:50:39PM THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
1:50:41PM AND SO THEY GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO REFRAME IT THIS WAY.
1:50:46PM I THINK THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECTS AND THE
1:50:48PM BUDGET AND ARE SEPARATE THAN A DISCUSSION ABOUT A PARTICULAR
1:50:51PM PROJECT.
1:50:52PM SO YOU WOULD THINK -- I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S ALSO BEEN
1:50:57PM CHANGED.
1:51:00PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT.
1:51:05PM WE DISCUSSED THAT BRIEFLY WHEN I WAS BEING BRIEFED AS WELL.
1:51:10PM WHEN WE GET TO SONYA'S PRESENTATION ABOUT FUNDING AND
1:51:14PM CHOICES, A, B AND C, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED
1:51:19PM TO DISCUSS IN TERMS OF DO WE FUND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T
1:51:24PM NECESSARILY AGREED ON?
1:51:26PM VIS-A-VIS THE TAP.
1:51:27PM SO WE'LL GET TO IT WHEN WE HAVE THAT BUDGET PART OF THE
1:51:31PM DISCUSSION.
1:51:31PM BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DECISION, ESPECIALLY AS
1:51:35PM RELATED TO THOSE CHOICES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING
1:51:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: SIR.
1:51:41PM >> SO THE LAST SLIDE THAT I HAVE FOR WATER SHOWS THE
1:51:45PM BREAKDOWN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND THEN 20 YEARS OUT,
1:51:48PM WHAT THE TOTAL COSTS ARE FOR ALL THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF
1:51:53PM DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS.
1:51:55PM SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ERIC WEISS TO TALK ABOUT
1:51:58PM WASTEWATER.
1:51:59PM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
1:52:08PM THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT HAS $5 BILLION WORTH OF
1:52:13PM INFRASTRUCTURE, SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBANT UPON THE CITY HOW
1:52:17PM WE ARE GOING TO DO FUTURE DECISIONS AND MANAGE THAT.
1:52:19PM WE DO HAVE THE MASTER PLANS.
1:52:21PM WE HAVE DONE TWO MASTER PLANS.
1:52:23PM ONE FOR OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE HOWARD F
1:52:27PM CURREN ADVANCE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED DOWN AT
1:52:32PM PORT TAMPA BAY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS THE COLLECTION
1:52:34PM SYSTEM, THE PUMPS, THE PIPES THAT COLLECT WASTEWATER FROM
1:52:37PM OUR HOMES, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, AND TAKE IT TO THE PLANT.
1:52:42PM THE FIRST ONE, TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE HOWARD F. CURREN
1:52:45PM ADVANCE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND OVERALL MASTER PLANT
1:52:51PM PLAN HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE THE LATE 1980s, AND THAT WAS
1:52:55PM TO INCREASE THE PATCHING OF THE TREATMENT PLAN FROM 60
1:52:59PM MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO 96 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
1:53:06PM SO THEY DO THIS MASTER PLAN NOW, HIRE AN INDEPENDENT
1:53:08PM ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
1:53:10PM WE WANT THEM TO HAVE LOOK AT TWO MAIN THINGS.
1:53:12PM ONE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THIS
1:53:14PM TREATMENT PLANT NOW?
1:53:15PM I CALL THAT THE AS-IS CONDITION. THEY LOOK AT THOUSANDS OF
1:53:19PM RECORDS, OF OUR MAINTENANCE RECORDS, TEST IT, AND LOOKED AT
1:53:23PM THICKNESS OF CONCRETE WALLS ON TANKS, LOOKED AT PUMPS AND
1:53:29PM PIPES TO BE GET AS AN-IS BE CONDITION SO THEY CAN THEN DO A
1:53:33PM PHASE 2 WHICH IS WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE?
1:53:35PM THEY FINISH THAT PHASE, AND WHAT DID THEY RECOMMEND?
1:53:39PM THE FIRST THING WAS NO MAJOR CAPACITY ISSUES.
1:53:43PM I TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE CAPACITY FROM 06 MILLION A
1:53:47PM GALLONS IN 'TO 96.
1:53:50PM LAST YEAR WE ONLY SAW 57 MILLION.
1:53:52PM THERE'S A LOT OF CAPACITY THERE.
1:53:54PM AND THE REASON IS THE WATER PER PERSON PER DAY HAS COME WAY
1:53:58PM DOWN OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS BECAUSE OF LOW-FLOW TOILETS,
1:54:03PM SHOWER HEADS, EFFICIENT DISHWASHERS, SO THAT CREATED A
1:54:08PM DISCAPACITY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HANDLE IN THE NEXT 20
1:54:10PM YEARS.
1:54:11PM THE OTHER THING IS, NO REAL CHANGES TO OUR TREATMENT
1:54:14PM PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST MADE AN ADVANCED WASTEWATER
1:54:20PM TREATMENT PLANT IT WAS CUTTING EDGE OF THE DAY.
1:54:23PM ENGINEERING CAME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO SEE HOW WE
1:54:26PM WERE DOING IT.
1:54:27PM AND THE GOOD THING IS THE IT WORKED SO GOOD AND VERY EASY TO
1:54:30PM OPERATE THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGIES
1:54:33PM THAT WE LOOKED AT, A, THEY ARE DOING IN THE GERMANY OR
1:54:36PM SOMEWHERE ELSE, OUR BUSINESS CASES SHOW THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY
1:54:40PM FOR ITSELF.
1:54:44PM [NO ENCODER]
1:54:53PM [NO ENCODER]
1:54:54PM PUMPS AND PIPES, TANKS, GET AFFECTED BY GAS AT A TREATMENT
1:54:59PM PLANT. IT'S A HIGHLY CORROSIVE ATMOSPHERE AND EATS AWAY ALL
1:55:04PM THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PRETTY QUICKLY.
1:55:06PM THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
1:55:07PM AND IT'S SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE.
1:55:10PM AND THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS SLIDE IS THAT IT'S FRONT
1:55:12PM LOADING.
1:55:13PM ALMOST HALF OF THE FUND WE NEED OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD ARE
1:55:16PM GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO REPLACE THIS
1:55:19PM AGING INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PLANT.
1:55:22PM OKAY.
1:55:23PM SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER MASTER PLAN, OUR COLLECTION
1:55:26PM SYSTEM.
1:55:27PM 60% -- LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR GRAVITY PIPELINES WHICH IS
1:55:31PM 156,700 MILES OF PIPE.
1:55:34PM 60% IS OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
1:55:36PM 20% OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
1:55:38PM AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT IS THE NUMBER OF CAVE-INS AND
1:55:42PM HOW MUCH THEY HAVE GONE UP OVER THE LAST SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.
1:55:46PM AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE BEEN A REPAIR, THAT'S JUST A POINT
1:55:49PM REPAIR.
1:55:50PM A DIAPER, A BAND-AID.
1:55:52PM MOST OF OUR PIPE WAS PUT IN BY CONTRACT IN THE 40s OR
1:55:56PM 50s FOR A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
1:55:58PM WHEN YOU HAVE A FAILURE ON ONE STREET YOU PRETTY MUCH WOULD
1:56:00PM EXPECT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT AGAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
1:56:02PM AND THAT'S NOT MONEY TO FIX THE WHOLE THING.
1:56:06PM THAT'S JUST TO FIX THAT ONE HOLE, OKAY?
1:56:10PM WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN
1:56:13PM ACTUALLY ASSESS THIS 1,500 MILES OF GRAVITY PIPE.
1:56:17PM WE HAVE A FLEET OF SEVEN TV TRUCKS.
1:56:20PM YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM SET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OVER
1:56:22PM A MANHOLE.
1:56:23PM WHAT THEY DO IS THEY CAN INSERT A CAMERA DOWN IN THE
1:56:27PM PIPELINE WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND THEY CAN
1:56:29PM ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THAT.
1:56:31PM HEY, IS THE PIPE LANE CRACKED?
1:56:33PM IS THERE A ROOT IN IT?
1:56:35PM IS IT OFFSET?
1:56:37PM AND OUR GUYS THAT DO THIS ARE CERTIFIED, THROUGH A NATIONAL
1:56:40PM ORGANIZATION.
1:56:40PM SO IF YOU ARE IN NEW YORK OR CALIFORNIA, THEY ARE GOING TO
1:56:43PM GRADE THAT PIPELINE EXACTLY THE SAME.
1:56:45PM SO THE RESULTS OF DOING THAT IS ON THE NEXT PAGE.
1:56:50PM THE VERY WORST PAPER IS SHOWN IN RED, AND THE PIPE THAT'S
1:56:53PM GETTING THERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE I THINK IS GOING TO BE
1:56:57PM IN YELLOW. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS, UNLIKE THE
1:57:00PM TREATMENT PLANT, YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE COSTS ARE AFTER THE
1:57:03PM FIRST FIVE YEARS, FIX THE RED STUFF, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST US
1:57:07PM FIXING THE MAIN LINE PIPE THAT YOU SEE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF
1:57:10PM THE STREET.
1:57:10PM ALL THE HOMES AND BUSINESSES HAVE THEIR OWN PIPE THAT
1:57:13PM CONNECTS INTO THAT.
1:57:14PM WE AREN'T EVEN GOING TO ADDRESS THAT UNTIL YEAR 11 OR 20.
1:57:19PM OKAY.
1:57:20PM THE OTHER PART OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM, WASTEWATER PUMPING
1:57:23PM STATIONS.
1:57:24PM THIS IS A LITTLE EASY FOE DO.
1:57:26PM 225 PUMPING STATIONS THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE SERVICE AREA.
1:57:29PM WE KNOW THAT THEY LAST 20 YEARS.
1:57:31PM THAT'S HOW LONG THE PUMP AND CONTROLS LAST, AND THE
1:57:35PM CONCRETE, BECAUSE THE SULFIDE GAS KEEPS EATING AWAY.
1:57:40PM SO WE CAN EASILY DO A SCHEDULE, WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS,
1:57:44PM AND WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU DID IT, TO PREPARE A SCHEDULE
1:57:47PM OF WHEN WE NEED TO REHABILITATE EACH ONE OF THOSE 225
1:57:50PM PUMPING STATIONS.
1:57:55PM SO THAT'S THE ESTIMATED COST.
1:57:57PM AND THE LAST PIECE OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM IN THE
1:57:59PM WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT ARE FORCE MAINS.
1:58:03PM ONLY 300 MILES OF THESE.
1:58:04PM WASTEWATER PIPE UNDER PRESSURE.
1:58:07PM AN INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S A LOT MORE RISK
1:58:10PM IF THERE'S A FAILURE.
1:58:12PM IF YOU HAVE A GRAVITY PIPE AND IT CAVES IN OR BLOCKS UP, WE
1:58:16PM CAN RELATIVELY QUICKLY BRING OUT PORTABLE PUMPS AND JUST
1:58:21PM BYPASS THAT ONE SECTION.
1:58:22PM YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH A FORCE MAIN.
1:58:24PM IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP COMING.
1:58:27PM AND IT CAN TAKE DAYS OR MAYBE WEEKS.
1:58:29PM IF THERE'S A BIG FORCE MAIN BREAK TO GET THAT UNDER CONTROL.
1:58:33PM SOME EXAMPLES, DAVIS ISLAND FORCE MAIN, IT WAS ACTUALLY A
1:58:40PM FISCAL 19 PROJECT.
1:58:42PM LAST SUMMER, IT BROKE, HAD A CRACK IN IT.
1:58:45PM SO WE WERE -- LUCKILY THEY WERE ABLE TO REPAIR THAT IN A
1:58:49PM LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A DAY, BUT WE HAD TO MOVE UP THAT WORK
1:58:53PM AND BID IT OUT -- NOT BID IT OUT AND DO AN EMERGENCY
1:58:57PM AFFIDAVIT AND IMMEDIATELY HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO GET WORKING
1:59:00PM ON IT THE VERY NEXT DAY WHICH DOUBLES THE COST.
1:59:03PM YUKON AT 12TH STREET, BIG AREA, FORCE MAIN THAT TAKES ALL
1:59:09PM THE WASTEWATER FROM USF AND NORTH TAMPA COMES RIGHT THROUGH
1:59:12PM THAT SPOT.
1:59:13PM WE HAVE A PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WHERE WE MEASURE
1:59:16PM THE THICKNESS OF THE METAL FORCE MAIN, AND WE MONITOR IT
1:59:19PM OVER TIME EVERY FIVE YEARS.
1:59:21PM AND HAD IT BEEN GOOD UP UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR.
1:59:24PM WE MEASURED IT AND IT WAS PAPER THIN.
1:59:25PM SO AGAIN WE HAD TO DO AN EMERGENCY CONTRACT TO GO AND DO
1:59:29PM THAT WORK.
1:59:36PM THAT'S THE FORCE MAIN.
1:59:37PM AND FINALLY THAT'S A RECAP OF ALL THOSE AREAS THAT I TALKED
1:59:41PM ABOUT FOR OVER THE FIVE YEARS AND CUMULATIVE IN THE 20 YEAR
1:59:44PM PROGRAM.
1:59:44PM >>SONYA LITTLE: REVENUE AND FINANCE.
2:00:02PM YOU HEARD ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE
2:00:04PM CONSTRUCTION AND NEEDS OVER THE 20-YOU'RE PERIOD.
2:00:08PM NOW HOW DO WE FIND IT?
2:00:10PM TO BEGIN WITH, IF I CAN JUST REMIND YOU, IN OUR INDIVIDUAL
2:00:13PM BRIEFING, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE MODELING THAT WENT ON FROM A
2:00:16PM FUNDING PERSPECTIVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MASTER PLAN
2:00:20PM DEVELOPMENT, THE ENGINEERS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
2:00:24PM MASTER PLAN BUILT OUT AN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DROP SCHEDULE
2:00:28PM FOR US FOR 20 YEARS, COUPLED WITH THAT, WE ENGAGED AN
2:00:33PM INDEPENDENT RATE CONSULTANT WHO SPECIALIZES IN DEVELOPING
2:00:37PM RATE STRUCTURES ON BEHALF OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR UTILITY
2:00:39PM SYSTEMS, AND WE ALSO RAN MODELING SCENARIOS INTERNALLY.
2:00:45PM THERE WERE NUMEROUS SCENARIOS THAT WOULD GENERATE BETWEEN
2:00:49PM THE CITY'S IN-HOUSE STAFF AND THE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS,
2:00:52PM AND WE CAME UP WITH THREE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST WALK
2:00:55PM YOU THROUGH TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WENT
2:00:58PM INTO DETERMINING THE FUNDING STRATEGY.
2:01:02PM THE RATE STUDY FOCUSES ON THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS COMPRISED
2:01:08PM OF THE CONSUMPTION RATE, A BASE CHARGE AND ALSO
2:01:11PM MISCELLANEOUS FEES AND CHARGES.
2:01:15PM AS YOU ARE AWARE THE CITY'S CURRENT UTILITY BILL STRUCTURE
2:01:18PM IS ONLY A CONSUMPTION RATE STRUCTURE, SO THAT THE CUSTOMER
2:01:22PM IS BILLED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER -- OF UTILITIES THAT
2:01:28PM ARE ACTUALLY USED.
2:01:30PM AND IT'S ON A TIERED SYSTEM.
2:01:32PM SO THE LOWEST CONSUMPTION HAS A LOWER RATE AND AS
2:01:38PM CONSUMPTION INCREASES SO DOES THE RATE CHARGE FOR THE
2:01:40PM CONSUMPTION.
2:01:41PM OUR UTILITY SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE LAST ONES IN THE STATE OF
2:01:44PM FLORIDA THAT DOES NOT HAVE BEEN A BASE CHARGE.
2:01:47PM AND THE REASON THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR CONSULTANT AND
2:01:51PM STAFF ALSO AGREES WITH IS THAT THE BASE CHARGE PROTECTS THE
2:01:55PM SYSTEM SO THAT NO MATTER HOW THE CONSUMPTION RATE GOES UP OR
2:02:01PM DOWN, WE CAN ALWAYS COVER THE FIXED COST.
2:02:05PM WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE UTILITY COSTS.
2:02:07PM WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE CHEMICAL COSTS.
2:02:09PM AND WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAY THE PEOPLE WHO RUN
2:02:12PM THE SYSTEM.
2:02:16PM SO IT WILL HAVE PERSONAL COSTS AS WELL.
2:02:18PM IN EACH OF THE SCENARIOS THAT WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU, YOU
2:02:20PM WILL SEE THAT EACH ONE OF THEM WILL INCLUDE A BASE CHARGE.
2:02:23PM SO I'LL SUMMARIZE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF
2:02:27PM SLIDES THE SCENARIOS, AND THE ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDED IN EACH
2:02:32PM OF THOSE SCENARIOS, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT
2:02:35PM MEAN TO THE CONSUMER, TO THE RATE PAYER?
2:02:43PM TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHY A BASE CHARGE BE
2:02:47PM CONSIDERED FOR THE PROPOSED RATE STRUCTURE, IN 2009 THE CITY
2:02:52PM EXPERIENCED THE PERFECT STORM.
2:02:55PM WE WERE IN THE THROES OF A GREAT RECESSION IN 2009 AND ALSO
2:03:01PM WE WERE EXPERIENCING A DROUGHT.
2:03:03PM AND AS A RESULT OF THE DROUGHT, WATER RESTRICTIONS HAD TO BE
2:03:07PM IMPOSED.
2:03:08PM AND AS I HEAR MY COLLEAGUE BRAD BAIRD SAY ALL THE TIME, IT
2:03:12PM WORKED, BECAUSE AS PEOPLE STOPPED USING WATER, OUR
2:03:17PM CONSUMPTION WENT DOWN 25 MILLION GALLONS IN JUST ONE DAY.
2:03:22PM AND IT DID WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
2:03:25PM BUT WHAT IT DID TO THE SYSTEM IS, AS A RESULT OF THOSE
2:03:29PM WATERING RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT ON BY THE DROUGHT,
2:03:32PM WE LOST $25 MILLION IN REVENUES.
2:03:36PM IN ADDITION TO LOSING THE $25 IN REVENUES AS A RESULT OF
2:03:41PM PEOPLE FOLLOWING THE CONSERVATION RULES THAT WERE SET OUT,
2:03:47PM WE ALSO HAD TO PAY TAMPA BAY WATER TO PURCHASE WATER BECAUSE
2:03:50PM OF THE DROUGHT.
2:03:51PM SO THAT'S A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE PERFECT STORM AND HOW A BASE
2:03:56PM RATE WILL PROTECT THE SYSTEM NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE GOING
2:03:59PM THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S DROUGHT, RECESSION, OR ANY OTHER
2:04:02PM ISSUES THAT WILL IMPACT OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS.
2:04:07PM SO THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A CHART THAT YOU SAW EARLY ON
2:04:11PM WHEN MR. BAIRD WAS DISCUSSING WITH YOU THE MASTER PLAN.
2:04:14PM I BELIEVE IT WAS SLIDE 6.
2:04:16PM SO WE ADDED A BIT OF INFORMATION.
2:04:18PM BUT WHAT REMAINS THE SAME IS THE ORANGE PORTION.
2:04:22PM THAT CAPTURES YEAR OFFER YEAR UNDER THE 20-YEAR MASTER PLAN
2:04:25PM THE COST OF THE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED.
2:04:32PM THE PURPLE SLIVER GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT IS OUR
2:04:34PM EXISTING DEBT SERVICE, AND THEN THE GREEN PORTION IS OUR
2:04:38PM OPERATING EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH THE WATER AND
2:04:41PM WASTEWATER SYSTEMS.
2:04:42PM SO OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD, THIS I'M CALLING THIS TABLE OUR
2:04:48PM ALL-IN, DO-NOTHING SCENARIO, BECAUSE THE LINE GOING STRAIGHT
2:04:52PM THROUGH THE MIDDLE ARE THE REVENUES COLLECTED BY THE SYSTEMS
2:04:55PM FOR PURPOSES OF COVERING OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, DEBT
2:04:59PM SERVICE, AND ALSO FUNDING THE CAPITAL PLAN.
2:05:02PM AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IN THIS ALL-IN DO-NOTHING SCENARIO,
2:05:08PM IN THE YEAR 2024-25, WE START TO RUN INTO TROUBLE.
2:05:13PM THAT WE WILL BARELY BE ABLE TO COVER OUR ONN AND CERTAINLY
2:05:19PM BARELY BE ABLE TO COVER OUR DEBT SERVICE, BUT MORE
2:05:22PM CRITICALLY, AS YOU HAVE HEARD, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE
2:05:25PM NEEDS TO REPAIR OUR CRUMBLING SYSTEM.
2:05:33PM SO THE SCENARIOS THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU, THERE ARE
2:05:37PM THREE.
2:05:38PM AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY, AND THEN I WILL GIVE YOU THE
2:05:41PM BACKUP INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE
2:05:43PM SCENARIOS.
2:05:44PM SCENARIO A, WE JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW MUCH WE COULD FUND IN
2:05:48PM THE WAY OF THE MASTER PLAN IF WE DID A THAN VERY
2:05:51PM CONSERVATIVE 3% INCREASE TO OUR EXISTING CONSUMPTION RATE.
2:05:56PM WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER 100% OF OUR OPERATIONS AND
2:06:00PM MAINTENANCE, AND ALSO WHAT IT WOULD SHAKE OUT TO BE IF WE
2:06:06PM COVERED 100% FROM A WATER SUPPLY OR REUSE PROJECT.
2:06:12PM SCENARIO B ON THE OTHER HAND THAN BUMPED INTO WHAT RATES
2:06:18PM WOULD IT TAKE IN ORDER TO COVER 100% OF EVERYTHING, AND THAT
2:06:22PM INCLUDES 100% OF THE CAPITAL PLAN, AND THE DIFFERENCE
2:06:28PM BETWEEN SCENARIOS B AND C IS THAT IT EXCLUDES CONSTRUCTION
2:06:33PM COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER SUPPLY AND REUSE PROJECTS.
2:06:37PM AND WE'LL GET IN WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, AS AND ASK
2:06:43PM MY COLLEAGUE MR. WEBER TO ASSIST WITH GIVING THE BACKGROUND
2:06:46PM INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
2:06:49PM SO THE COST OF CAPITAL, JUST TO RECAP, YOU HEARD FROM BOTH
2:06:56PM OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER DIRECTORS, AND CURRENT-YEAR
2:07:01PM DOLLARS, IS $1.5 MILLION.
2:07:04PM FOR WASTEWATER, 1.1 FOR A TOTAL OF 2.6 BILLION.
2:07:09PM BUT OF COURSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 20-YEAR PLAN.
2:07:12PM SO IF WE INFLATE THOSE COSTS AND ADD AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR
2:07:17PM WE ARE IN ESSENCE ADDING $542 MILLION TO THOSE COSTS ALONE,
2:07:22PM WHICH MUCH WE ARE TALKING IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE FUND THIS
2:07:26PM PLAN, WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AT ALMOST $2
2:07:31PM BILLION MASTER PLAN OVER A 20-YEAR PERIOD.
2:07:40PM MUCH THE ASSUMPTIONS TO GET US THERE, UNDER SCENARIO A, JUST
2:07:44PM A REMINDER, ALL OF THESE SCENARIOS WILL ASSUME A BASE
2:07:48PM CHARGE, THE SAME BASE CHARGE, WHICH IN FISCAL YEAR 2020
2:07:52PM WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF $4 PER MONTH ON THE EQUIVALENT
2:07:58PM RESIDENTIAL UNIT ERU WHICH IS FOR AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD THAT
2:08:03PM USES ABOUT 300 GALLONS A DAY, SO THIS WILL APPLY TO ALL OF
2:08:07PM OUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ONE SINGLE UNIT.
2:08:11PM AND THEREAFTER IN THE YEARS 21 THROUGH 34, A ADDITIONAL $2
2:08:17PM PER MONTH, INCREASE TO COVER THE BASE CHARGES.
2:08:21PM AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE A BASELINE IN
2:08:24PM THIS SCENARIO TO SEE WHAT WE COULD FIND IF WE JUST DID AN
2:08:28PM ACROSS-THE-BOARD 3% INCREASE IN THE CONSUMPTION RATE, AND
2:08:33PM WHAT THAT DOES IS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER OUR OPERATING
2:08:36PM EXPENSES AT 100%.
2:08:39PM HOWEVER, UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND
2:08:43PM 100% OF THE 3.2 BILLION DOLLARS IN OUR MASTER PLAN.
2:08:49PM IT WOULD LEAVE ABOUT $700 MILLION UNFUNDED IN THIS SCENARIO.
2:08:55PM SO THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THIS WE SUMMARIZE UNDER
2:08:58PM THIS SCENARIO HOW MUCH WOULD BE BROKEN UP BETWEEN CASH AND
2:09:01PM DEBT.
2:09:02PM SO PART OF THE MODELING STRATEGY IS THAT WE TAKE A VERY
2:09:06PM CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WHEN IT COMES TO ESTIMATING HOW MUCH
2:09:09PM DEBT WE WILL HAVE TO ISSUE, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE HAVE
2:09:14PM NOT MADE ANY ASSUMPTIONS ON ANY GRANTS THAT WILL BE
2:09:18PM RECEIVED.
2:09:18PM SO OVER THE 20-YEAR FUNDING PLAN, WE WILL AGGRESSIVELY
2:09:23PM PURSUE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS THAT
2:09:26PM WILL BUY DOWN OR DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE WILL
2:09:30PM ISSUE UNDER ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS TO FUND THE $3.2 BILLION
2:09:36PM CAPITAL PLAN.
2:09:42PM SCENARIO B, THE SAME, BASE CHARGE.
2:09:46PM BUT IN THIS SCENARIO, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE ARE FUNDING
2:09:50PM 100% OF EVERYTHING.
2:09:52PM THAT'S 100% OF THE CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE 20 YEARS,
2:10:00PM 1.2 BILLION, AND IN THIS CASE INSTEAD OF THE 3% INCREASE IN
2:10:03PM THE CONSUMPTION RATE FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM, WE WOULD
2:10:08PM HAVE 3% ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE CONSUMPTION RATE IN YEARS 20
2:10:12PM AND 21, AND THEN 15% ANNUAL INCREASE THEREAFTER, AND AFTER
2:10:18PM THIS I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THIS MEANS TO THE MONTHLY UTILITY
2:10:22PM BILL BY SCENARIO.
2:10:24PM BUT IN THIS CASE, AS I MENTIONED, 100% OF EVERYTHING IN THE
2:10:28PM MASTER PLAN, AND THERE AGAIN IT GETS YOU TO THE BREAKDOWN
2:10:32PM BETWEEN CASH AND DEBT.
2:10:33PM OUR GOAL WILL ALWAYS BE TO AVOID ISSUING DEBT AND PAYING AS
2:10:39PM MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH CASH, AND AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING
2:10:44PM GRANT FUNDING.
2:10:48PM FINALLY, SCENARIO C, AGAIN THE SAME BASE CHARGE, CONSUMPTION
2:10:53PM IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS, 20 AND 21st SAME AS SCENARIO B.
2:10:58PM HOWEVER, IT DROPS FROM 15% TO 10% IN THE YEARS 22 THROUGH
2:11:04PM 25.
2:11:05PM AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, IT FUNDS EVERYTHING EXCEPT DOES NOT
2:11:09PM PROVIDE ANY FUNDING FOR WATER SUPPLY AND REUSE PROJECTS.
2:11:16PM AND WE WILL GIVE YOU MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT.
2:11:21PM IF I CAN FIRST WALK YOU THROUGH UNDER THE THREE SCENARIOS, I
2:11:26PM GUESS STAFF IS UP TO OUR PEERS.
2:11:31PM THIS SURVEY WAS DONE BY OUR INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT.
2:11:34PM AND THE LINES GOING HORIZONTALLY ACROSS PROVIDES AVERAGE
2:11:40PM MONTHLY UTILITY BILL FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS USING
2:11:45PM APPROXIMATELY 6,000 GALLONS PER MONTH.
2:11:48PM AND YOU SEE THERE THAT THE AVERAGE AMONG OUR PEERS FOR THE
2:11:51PM MONTHLY UTILITY BILL IS $80.57 COMPARED TO THE CITY OF
2:11:57PM TAMPA'S AVERAGE OF $41.29.
2:12:02PM OUR EXISTING RATES.
2:12:04PM BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT A LITTLE FURTHER AND COMPARE THAT
2:12:08PM TO ANY ONE OF THE THREE SCENARIOS THAT I JUST SPOKE TO YOU
2:12:11PM ABOUT, WE STILL FALL FAR BELOW THE AVERAGE OF OUR PEERS AT
2:12:17PM APPROXIMATELY $46.50 PER MONTH.
2:12:20PM SO THIS TABLE IS BASICALLY A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
2:12:25PM BUT IF OF WE TAKE THAT A STEP FARTHER, AND WE PROJECT OUT,
2:12:30PM WITH ONE CAVEAT.
2:12:33PM THE HORIZONTAL LINE GOING ACROSS THE TOP OF THE LINE GOING
2:12:35PM ACROSS THE TOP AGAIN REPRESENTS THE AVERAGE MONTHLY UTILITY
2:12:39PM BILL OF OUR PEERS AT $80.50 PER MONTH.
2:12:46PM WE ASSUME THAT THAT STAYS FLAT.
2:12:48PM THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS VERY UNLIKELY.
2:12:52PM SO THE LINES BELOW IT, IT CAPTURES THE AVERAGE MONTHLY BILL
2:12:58PM YEAR OVER YEAR BECAUSE IT'S OUR INTENT TO PHASE IN THE RATE
2:13:02PM INCREASE TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OR THE BLOW TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
2:13:07PM SO TV LOWER LINE, SCENARIO A, WHICH DOES NOT FUND THE ENTIRE
2:13:14PM MASTER PLAN, IT LEFT ABOUT $700 MILLION UNFUNDED, YOU SEE
2:13:18PM THE DIFFERENCE, STILL OUT JURISDICTION YEARS WE ARE FAR
2:13:23PM BELOW, AND EVEN AT THE ALL-IN SCENARIO WHERE WE ARE FUNDING
2:13:27PM 100% OF EVERYTHING, AND IF WE ASSUME THAT OUR PEERS DO
2:13:31PM NOTHING, THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD STILL BE IN THE NEXT SIX
2:13:34PM YEARS FAR BELOW, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT UNREASONABLE TO
2:13:38PM ASSUME THAT OUR PEERS DO NOTHING.
2:13:40PM BUT JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE OF HOW THE SERVICES WE
2:13:43PM PROVIDE AND WHAT WE CHARGE TO OUR CUSTOMERS, COMPARED TO OUR
2:13:50PM PEERS.
2:13:51PM WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT -- AND THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
2:13:54PM WE ACTUALLY DON THIS WITH OUR STORMWATER PROGRAM WHEREIN WE
2:13:57PM PROVIDE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE.
2:13:59PM WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING HOW WE REACH
2:14:04PM THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST.
2:14:05PM AND SO WE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON
2:14:07PM THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
2:14:15PM TODAY WE WILL ASK FOR COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZATION TO ALLOW STAFF
2:14:19PM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROVIDING PUBLIC NOTICE, AND I KNOW YOU
2:14:25PM WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT AS YOU ARE THINKING
2:14:28PM THIS THROUGH, THE INTENT IS TODAY THAT WE WILL PROPOSE THE
2:14:33PM SCENARIO B, AND MR. WEBER WILL COME BACK UP AND PROVIDE YOU
2:14:36PM WITH THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED.
2:14:39PM BUT ALONG THOSE LINES, AFTER WE TELL YOU WHY WE ARE
2:14:43PM PROPOSING SCENARIO B, WHICH INCLUDES THE WATER SUPPLY
2:14:49PM COMPONENT, WE WILL ASK THAT WE GET THE AUTHORIZATION THAT BE
2:14:54PM WE NOTICE OUR UTILITY BILL CUSTOMERS STARTING AS SOON AS
2:14:58PM NEXT WEEK OF THE INTENT TO INCREASE RATES, AND ALSO NOTICE
2:15:03PM THAT A PUBLIC MEETING WILL BE SCHEDULED IN AUGUST 22ND.
2:15:07PM SO WE ARE READY TO ISSUE NOTICE IN THE UTILITY BILLS,
2:15:14PM SOMETHING THAT CUSTOMERS WILL BE FULLY AWARE OF, BRIGHT
2:15:18PM COLORED PAPER, NOT JUST A LINE ITEM ON THE BILL, AND THEN
2:15:22PM RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVE AUTHORIZATIONS TO MOVE
2:15:26PM FORWARD FOR FUNDING THIS PLAN WITH RATES BECOMING EFFECTIVE
2:15:31PM OCTOBER 1st.
2:15:33PM SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY TURN THIS OVER.
2:15:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK, HAD A QUICK
2:15:40PM QUESTION.
2:15:41PM >>SONYA LITTLE: THE DATE WILL BE SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:15:44PM WE DID NOT CHANGE IT ON HERE.
2:15:45PM IT WOULD NOT REFLECT AUGUST 22ND.
2:15:48PM THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL REQUEST IT BE SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:15:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:15:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SONYA, AS LONG AS YOU ARE THERE, WE HAVE
2:15:59PM ALL BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW.
2:16:04PM I THINK WE KNOW THE NEED HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
2:16:08PM WE HAVE KIND OF BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.
2:16:13PM IT'S TIME THAT WE ADDRESS IT.
2:16:16PM THE ECONOMY IS DOING BETTER.
2:16:19PM IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT ON SOME FOLKS.
2:16:21PM AND WE'LL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
2:16:24PM AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE IN TERMS OF
2:16:27PM IF FOLKS TRULY HAVE A HARDSHIP, THE CITY WILL HAVE SOME SORT
2:16:31PM OF RELIEF PLAN IN PLACE.
2:16:34PM ON THE BIGGER PICTURE IN REGARD TO B VERSUS C -- AND I AM
2:16:38PM TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF FUNDING EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE
2:16:42PM FUNDED.
2:16:43PM AND I USE THAT, EMPHASIZE "HAS" TO BE FUNDED.
2:16:48PM THAT'S I'M NOT REALLY CONVINCED THAT B IS THE WAY TO GO AS
2:16:51PM OPPOSED TO C.
2:16:53PM SO I JUST WANT TO TOSS THIS OUT THERE.
2:17:00PM IF FOR ARGUMENT SAKE -- MR. BAIRD, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME
2:17:04PM JOIN THIS DISCUSSION -- IF FOR ARGUMENT SAKE THE CITY
2:17:08PM STOPPED TODAY -- OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT REALITY, BUT FOR
2:17:13PM PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE HAVE TAPPED THIS CITY OUT,
2:17:19PM PUT UP SIGNS, SAY DO NOT ENTER, OKAY?
2:17:21PM THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO KEEP THIS CITY
2:17:26PM RUNNING, WASTEWATER AND WASTEWATER FOR THE NEXT X NUMBER OF
2:17:31PM YEARS?
2:17:31PM I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION THAT AS SAYING C, OKAY.
2:17:37PM OPTION C.
2:17:41PM BUT LOOKS LIKE I AM GOING TO GET REBUTTAL SO THAT'S OKAY.
2:17:46PM THAT'S WHY I THREW IT OUT THERE.
2:17:48PM I WILL JUST CONTINUE THAT.
2:17:51PM IF MY ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY NEW --
2:17:56PM NECESSARILY ANY NEW WATER AND/OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT
2:18:00PM CAPACITY WITHOUT THE GROWTH -- WELL, LET ME JUMP OVER TO A
2:18:05PM DIFFERENT PART OF THE SAME DISCUSSION.
2:18:09PM WE ALL TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD PAY
2:18:13PM FOR ITSELF SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, OKAY.
2:18:16PM AND WE TALK ABOUT BE THE USE OF IMPACT FEES TO DO THAT.
2:18:21PM WE HAVE MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO COMPLAIN TO US
2:18:23PM REGULARLY, INCLUDING MY FIRM BUSTER WHO TOLD ME THIS WEEK,
2:18:30PM WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP PAYING FOR THESE NEWCOMERS WHO ARE
2:18:35PM COMING INTO OUR CITY?
2:18:36PM I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
2:18:38PM I DO BELIEVE IN THE GENERAL CONCEPT THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION
2:18:42PM SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF.
2:18:45PM SO ALONG THOSE LINES OF THOSE TWO TRAINS OF THOUGHT, THAT'S
2:18:49PM WHY I AM NOT THAT KEEN ON "B," BECAUSE I AM NOT CONVINCED
2:18:56PM THAT THE EXISTING RATE PAYERS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT NEW
2:19:00PM WATER CAPACITY AND ANY ASSOCIATED -- WELL, I THINK
2:19:07PM WASTEWATER SAID THEY ARE NOT BIDDING ANY ADDITIONAL
2:19:09PM CAPACITY.
2:19:10PM SO WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF NEW WATER
2:19:12PM CAPACITY.
2:19:13PM AND WHY SHOULD THE EXISTING RATE PAYERS BE PAYING FOR NEW
2:19:17PM WATER CAPACITY?
2:19:19PM REGARDLESS OF WHAT FORM IT TAKES, MR. CARLSON, ACROSS THE
2:19:23PM BOARD, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TAP OR SOME OTHER REUSE, STAR,
2:19:29PM WHAT HAVE YOU.
2:19:31PM YES, MA'AM?
2:19:31PM AND I GUESS I AM WAITING FOR THE REBUTTAL.
2:19:34PM >>SONYA LITTLE: I AM GOING TO ASK MR. WEBER TO COME FORWARD
2:19:38PM AND TALK MORE ABOUT THAT CAPACITY, AND THEN WE WILL JUMP
2:19:41PM BACK AND FORTH.
2:19:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY BEFOREHAND, I PROBABLY HAVE TO
2:19:51PM LEAVE, LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW, IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
2:19:58PM 134 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN B AND C?
2:20:02PM >>SONYA LITTLE: 350 MILLION.
2:20:05PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION.
2:20:07PM >> NO, IT'S NOT.
2:20:09PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I DIDN'T MEAN THAT TO YOU.
2:20:11PM >> I WANT TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT FEES FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS
2:20:15PM SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT.
2:20:16PM WE DO ASSESS SOME FEES FOR GROWTH RIGHT NOW, AND CFBs, WE
2:20:22PM HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITIES WHEREOF WE CHARGE
2:20:24PM FEES, OF CONSTRUCTION.
2:20:32PM BUT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE THE SAME CONSULTANTS --
2:20:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S DISTRIBUTION.
2:20:38PM >> TRANSMISSION.
2:20:41PM BUT WE HAVE ENGAGED A CONSULTANT WHO IS LOOKING AT
2:20:43PM DISTRIBUTION, TRANSMISSION, AND PLANT COSTS, AND THEY ARE
2:20:48PM EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT AN IMPACT FEE MAKES SENSE FOR US.
2:20:54PM WE ARE PROBABLY HALFWAY UP THERE THAT PROCESS.
2:20:58PM SO IF WE COME BACK AND LOOK AT EXACT FEES AND SAY, YES, THAT
2:21:03PM MAKES SENSE FOR US, DOWN THE ROAD, THAT CAN OFFSET.
2:21:08PM THE IMPACT FEES WILL NOT OFFSET THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ISSUE
2:21:12PM WE HAD HERE, BECAUSE GROWTH IS A VERY SMALL COMPONENT.
2:21:16PM BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
2:21:18PM AND WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS GROWTH OPTION.
2:21:24PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU SAID GROWTH IS A SMALL COMPONENT.
2:21:26PM HOW CAN GROWTH BE A SMALL COMPONENT OF THIS ADDITIONAL --
2:21:32PM THIS ADDITIONAL WATER NEED?
2:21:34PM THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR WITH $300 MILLION, ISN'T
2:21:38PM IT?
2:21:38PM >> OUT OF 1.6 BILLION, THE GROWTH COMPONENT OF THAT IS
2:21:42PM ROUGHLY LIKE 3%, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
2:21:45PM SO IT'S ROUGHLY THAT $350 MILLION OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE,
2:21:52PM BECAUSE REALLY, ACTUALLY, I THINK WE HAVE THE SLIDE THAT
2:21:55PM SHOWS -- COULD WE BRING UP THE PRESENTATION AGAIN, PLEASE?
2:22:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: CAN THE PRESENTATION BE PULLED UP AGAIN THAN?
2:22:18PM >> 224 MILLION IS REALLY THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR
2:22:24PM AS FAR AS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE TREATMENT PLANT.
2:22:26PM THAT'S WHERE THE CAPACITY IS.
2:22:28PM OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND TRANSMISSION SYSTEM AT THIS
2:22:32PM POINT IN TIME IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
2:22:37PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT I'M FOCUSED ON THE SECOND LINE.
2:22:39PM WHAT SUPPLY/REUSE PROJECTS, $350 MILLION.
2:22:44PM I CAN'T HELP BUT ASSUME THAT THAN TRANSLATES TO THE
2:22:48PM ADDITIONAL 50,000 PEOPLE OR 100,000 PEOPLE THAT GOING TO BE
2:22:53PM HERE AT THE END OF THAT.
2:22:54PM >> WELL, I WANT TO JUST ADDRESS THE IMPACT FEES FIRST.
2:22:59PM BUT TO ADDRESS THE SECOND BULLET, AND THE WATER SUPPLY AND
2:23:02PM REUSE, WHAT OPTION C DOES NOT FUND IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
2:23:08PM DO WHEN WE GET ABOVE THE END OF AN AVERAGE DAY, OR THE
2:23:18PM ISSUES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE HAVE A DROUGHT.
2:23:21PM WHENEVER ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR SUPPLYING OUR FUTURE FOR OUR
2:23:26PM WATER NEEDS IS JUST TO BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
2:23:29PM THE PROBLEM WITH OPTION C IS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF
2:23:33PM THAT.
2:23:34PM THERE'S A PASS-THROUGH CHARGE THAT HAPPENS EVERY TIME WE
2:23:36PM HAVE A DROUGHT.
2:23:37PM NORMALLY NO ONE OF SEES IT BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.
2:23:44PM IT'S A ROAD THAT WE ALL PAY AS MEMBER GOVERNMENTS WHENEVER
2:23:47PM WE BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
2:23:49PM WELL, WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THE WATER QUALITY FUND WHEN
2:23:55PM WE BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, WE WILL NEED TO FURTHER
2:23:57PM TREAT THAT WATER, OR ENGAGE TAMPA BAY WATER TO FURTHER TREAT
2:24:01PM THAT WATER, SO THAT IT MEETS THE SAME REGULATIONS AND WE END
2:24:05PM UP WITH THE SAME WATER QUALITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE REST OF
2:24:07PM THE SYSTEM.
2:24:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME CORE
2:24:14PM QUESTION.
2:24:14PM OVER THESE PAST 15 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN AROUND IN THIS OR
2:24:19PM SIMILAR CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SORT OF AT A CERTAIN
2:24:23PM LEVEL.
2:24:24PM WE HAD SOME BAD TIME BACK IN 2009, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE
2:24:28PM STAY UNDER THAT -- WE STAY WITHIN THAT 80 TO 90 MILLION.
2:24:36PM GENERALLY SPEAKING WHAT I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF.
2:24:40PM BUT THE THING THAT WILL PUSH US UP HIGHER THAN THAT IS THE
2:24:43PM GROWTH.
2:24:44PM IT'S THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.
2:24:45PM SO I GUESS GOING BACK TO THE CORE QUESTION OF TRYING TO
2:24:48PM RESTATE IT FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES IS, IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND
2:24:53PM YES, I REALIZE IT'S A REALITY, IT IS A REALITY WE ARE GOING
2:24:56PM TO BE ABOVE THAT.
2:24:57PM BUT MY POINT IS, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR THOSE NEW FOLKS
2:25:02PM TO BE PAYING FOR THAT DELTA THAT IS GOING TO TAKE US THERE
2:25:05PM UP ABOVE THERE.
2:25:06PM >> THE SECOND BULLET IS NOT MEANT TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
2:25:10PM THE SECOND QUESTION BULLET IS MEANT TO ADDRESS WATER QUALITY
2:25:14PM USE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE HAVE TO BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY
2:25:16PM WATER.
2:25:18PM THE OPTION C DOES NOT PRESENT THE COST FOR BUYING WATER FROM
2:25:23PM TAMPA BAY WATER, WHICH WE DO RATE NOW.
2:25:25PM AND WE HAVEN'T FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BUT WE DID THE
2:25:27PM YEAR BEFORE THAT.
2:25:28PM DURING THAT YEAR, WE BOUGHT 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR A
2:25:34PM FEW WEEKS AND THEN WE BOUGHT 40 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR A
2:25:38PM FEW WEEKS ALMOST A MONTH.
2:25:41PM THAT AVERAGES TO 6 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
2:25:42PM THAT WATER WAS ONLY TESTED ONCE.
2:25:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
2:25:52PM THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN ALL SAY ABOUT THIS.
2:25:54PM FOR EXAMPLE, AT LEAST STAFF AND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD,
2:25:58PM AT LEAST TAMPA BAY WATER DISAGREE WITH THE TERM POOR WATER
2:26:02PM QUALITY, AND THERE'S A WHOLE COVERINGS, TECHNICAL
2:26:04PM CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN GET INTO ABOUT THAT.
2:26:06PM BUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO TAP AND THE GROWTH ISSUES AND
2:26:10PM ALL THAT.
2:26:10PM MY SUGGESTION, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE SEND THIS TO PUBLIC
2:26:16PM COMMENT, AND THEN SEPARATELY MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION OR
2:26:20PM WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH BE THE 50 NGDB REUSE AND HOW
2:26:26PM TO DEAL WITH THE SUPPLY NEEDS IN THE FUTURE.
2:26:30PM I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT TAP
2:26:33PM VERSUS THE ALTERNATIVES AT SOME FUTURE TIME BUT IT'S A
2:26:36PM SEPARATE CONVERSATION, I THINK.
2:26:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY ONLY CONCERN, BILL, IS THAT THEY ARE
2:26:44PM ASKING US TO AUTHORIZE AT LEAST A HINT TO THE COMMUNITY OF
2:26:53PM "C," OPTION "C."
2:26:57PM OKAY.
2:26:57PM NOT A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S YOUR
2:27:00PM RECOMMENDATION IS ITEM "C," RIGHT?
2:27:06PM >>SONYA LITTLE: B.
2:27:08PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE AUTHORIZING IT OR ARE YOU GOING TO
2:27:10PM RECOMMEND --
2:27:13PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY ARE RECOMMENDING B AND THEY ARE
2:27:15PM LOOKING FOR A VOTE FROM US TO ALLOW B TO PROCEED.
2:27:17PM I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.
2:27:18PM I'M OKAY WITH C, WHICH IS SORT OF A MODIFIED VERSION OF B.
2:27:23PM I'M OKAY WITH C.
2:27:25PM BUT I AM NOT THRILLED WITH B.
2:27:27PM AND I AGREE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TODAY TO GET TO ALL
2:27:31PM THIS.
2:27:31PM AND I AM WILLING TO SORT OF STAND DOWN.
2:27:33PM BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO VOTE FOR B.
2:27:38PM I AM WILLING TO VOTE FOR C, JUST TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE
2:27:42PM COMMUNITY ON NOTICE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS THE DOES WE WILL
2:27:46PM HAVE, AND OVER THE NEXT MONTH MAYBE WE CAN GET INTO IT
2:27:49PM DEEPER.
2:27:49PM >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, TO THAT POINT, B, C.
2:27:55PM B IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR ALL OF OUR
2:28:00PM NEEDS.
2:28:01PM C DOES NOT.
2:28:02PM IF WE DO NOT -- IF WE JUST GO WITH C, WE WILL BE COME BACK
2:28:07PM IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS ASKING FOR ANOTHER CHANGE.
2:28:11PM THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION B.
2:28:14PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THE SUMS YOU JUST MADE IS THERE'S NO
2:28:16PM OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAN OUR RATE PAYER.
2:28:21PM OKAY?
2:28:23PM I MEAN, OUR RATE PAYER THAT'S HERE TODAY.
2:28:25PM AND WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE NEW RATE PAYERS MIGHT MAKE UP
2:28:29PM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN B AND C.
2:28:31PM >>CHAIRMAN: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:28:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN I HAD MY DISCUSSION I MADE IT CLEAR
2:28:38PM WHEN YOU ADDRESS COUNCIL YOU NEED TO COME WITH EVERYTHING.
2:28:41PM YOU ARE NEED TO PUT IT ALL ON THE TABLE.
2:28:46PM AND NOW YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET.
2:28:47PM YOU GOT QUESTIONS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE TABLE.
2:28:52PM IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
2:28:53PM I LOOKED AT -- I THOUGHT I WASTED MY TIME, SOME THINGS THAT
2:28:56PM I TOLD YOU ABOUT ACRONYMS AND PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT'S WHAT.
2:29:03PM I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT I AM GOING TO BUY SOMETHING, I WANT
2:29:08PM TO GO BUY THE PROPERTY, I WANT TO GO AND BUY A PRODUCT, AND
2:29:15PM DOWN THE ROAD, I DIDN'T GET ALL THE NUTS AND BOLTS IN THAT
2:29:23PM PRODUCT.
2:29:25PM I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IF I FIND SOMETHING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
2:29:29PM IT'S GOING TO LAST.
2:29:32PM IF I INVEST IN SOMETHING, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK BECAUSE
2:29:37PM THE PRODUCT WASN'T GOOD.
2:29:40PM I HEAR WHAT MR. DINGFELDER IS SAYING BUT ME LIKE MYSELF, WE
2:29:44PM CAN'T KEEP COMING BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
2:29:47PM BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T NICKEL AND DIME PEOPLE BECAUSE NOW
2:29:54PM YOU GOT TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY.
2:29:57PM YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE AND ASK FOR SOMETHING.
2:30:01PM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT.
2:30:06PM I MAKE THAT CLEAR.
2:30:10PM IF YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU HAVE GOT TO PUT IT ALL ON THE
2:30:12PM TABLE SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT,
2:30:14PM INCLUDING THE CITIZENS THAT WE SERVE.
2:30:20PM YOU ARE ASKING FOR US TO MAKE A VOTE.
2:30:23PM ON SOMETHING.
2:30:24PM BUT THE PEOPLE -- AND I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO ASK
2:30:29PM QUESTIONS, TOO.
2:30:30PM BUT FOR ME, IF I HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE TODAY, I DON'T WANT TO
2:30:35PM GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE AND NICKEL AND DIME THE PEOPLE.
2:30:38PM WE KNOW WE NEED WHAT WE NEED.
2:30:43PM I WAS SO UPSET AT MY BUSINESS HAD BURNED A FIRE, AND FOR
2:30:55PM ALMOST TWO MONTHS HAD NO WATER.
2:30:58PM THE FUNERAL BUSINESS, A GUY NEXT TO ME HAS A DISABILITY,
2:31:03PM WHEELCHAIRS, SERVICES PEOPLE OUT THERE, HOMES ON MY STREET.
2:31:08PM SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NEEDS OF PIPE, BECAUSE
2:31:13PM AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER I KNOW WHEN IT GETS COLD THOSE
2:31:18PM PIPES BUST UP, YOU HAVE GOT CLAY PIPES AND IRON PIPES AND
2:31:21PM THEY ARE OLD.
2:31:23PM WE CAN TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEE LATER ON AND NEW CONSTRUCTION,
2:31:26PM WHATEVER.
2:31:27PM BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK HOW IT'S GOING TO GET US
2:31:30PM THERE.
2:31:30PM AND IS THIS PLAN B GOING TO GET US THERE?
2:31:34PM >>SONYA LITTLE: COUNCILMAN GUDES, BASED ON THE ENGINEERING
2:31:40PM THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR A 20-YEAR PERIOD, AND ALL OF THE NEEDS
2:31:45PM THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, THE
2:31:47PM WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WE BELIEVE THIS PLAN WILL GET US THERE TO
2:31:51PM ACCOMMODATE OUR NEEDS.
2:31:53PM WE KNEW WITH OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS THAT EVERYONE WANTED TO
2:31:57PM SEE AN ALL-IN PLAN, SO THAT'S WHY STAFF, ALONG WITH OUR
2:32:03PM EXTERNAL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAN WHO DID ALL THE THINGS THAT
2:32:06PM YOU HEARD OUR TWO DIRECTORS TALK ABOUT, THEY DID FOR A YEAR
2:32:11PM AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS STRAIGHT TO LOOK AT EVERY PIPE,
2:32:16PM EVERY PUMP, EVERY BOLT, TO GIVE US AN ALL INCLUSIVE
2:32:20PM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO BELOW GROUND, ABOVE GROUND, AS
2:32:25PM WELL AS FACTORING IN WHAT OUR FUTURE CAPACITY NEEDS WOULD
2:32:28PM BE.
2:32:29PM THE PLAN WE BELIEVE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN ALL-IN PLAN.
2:32:34PM THE FUNDING PLAN THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AGAIN IS A PLAN
2:32:37PM THAT WE BELIEVED WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THESE NEEDS TO BE
2:32:42PM OPERATE THE SYSTEM, TO FUND THIS $3.2 BILLION MASTER PLAN
2:32:49PM OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THOSE
2:32:52PM COSTS, AND WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED MEASURES TO BE TAKEN
2:32:57PM IN ORDER TO DRIVE DOWN THOSE COSTS AND TAP ADVANTAGE OF
2:33:02PM ECONOMIES OF SCALE, NUMBER ONE, TO AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE GRANT
2:33:06PM FUNDING, AND ALSO ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WE ARE
2:33:11PM NOT INCURRING DEBT UPFRONT BUT OVER TIME IN ORDER TO GIVE US
2:33:16PM THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY AND DRIVE DOWN THE COSTS ASSOCIATED
2:33:19PM WITH THIS MASTER PROGRAM.
2:33:23PM SO YES, SIR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE INFORMATION THAT
2:33:25PM HAS BEEN PROVIDED, THE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN DONE, WAS DONE
2:33:29PM IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE ALL INCLUSIVE PLAN
2:33:34PM FOR ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
2:33:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:33:38PM THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MR. CARLSON AND MR. MIRANDA.
2:33:52PM >>BILL CARLSON: TO COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER'S POINT, TOO, I
2:33:55PM HAD LONG DISCUSSION WAS STAFF ABOUT ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
2:33:59PM THE ONE, IF YOU HAVE THE 350 MILLION INCLUDED, YOU CAN BUY A
2:34:03PM WHOLE LOT OF WHOLESALE WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER AND EVEN
2:34:06PM IF IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL TREATMENT YOU CAN ADD THAT IN.
2:34:08PM ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WE TALKED ABOUT STAR, COULD YOU BUY A
2:34:11PM WHOLE BUNCH OF STAR PROGRAM FOR $350 MILLION.
2:34:14PM THE QUESTION IS, WHETHER ANY OF THAT MAKES SENSE.
2:34:17PM AND WE SHOULDN'T DEBATE THAT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO RUN
2:34:20PM OUT OF TIME.
2:34:20PM BUT MY SUGGESTION IS WE LEAVE THE MONEY IN, BECAUSE THEN WE
2:34:23PM CAN DEBATE WHAT THE MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON LATER.
2:34:27PM WE KNOW THAT WE NEED SUPPLY AND REUSE.
2:34:30PM THE OTHER THING THAT I AM INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE MOTION
2:34:33PM IS WE ARE GOING TO SUGGEST, BECAUSE I THINK ALL WE ARE DOING
2:34:35PM IS SUGGESTING THAT THIS GO TO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.
2:34:39PM AND WE JUST TO THE SCHEDULE SLIDE REAL FAST?
2:34:43PM IT'S TOWARD THE END.
2:34:47PM MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND IS IN PART PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND
2:34:52PM MY PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU INCLUDE MORE
2:34:56PM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAN THIS.
2:34:59PM WHEN I LOOKED AT A SCHEDULE LIKE THIS, WHAT THIS LOOKS TO ME
2:35:02PM LIKE IS THAT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE IN THIS
2:35:05PM ROOM WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU
2:35:10PM INCLUDE SOCIALIZING THIS, AND DEEPLY INFORMING THE COMMUNITY
2:35:14PM ABOUT IT, WITH A MUCH MORE ROBUST SCHEDULE.
2:35:17PM AT THE VERY LEAST I THINK THERE NEED TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING
2:35:20PM IN EACH DISTRICT.
2:35:21PM THERE'S NO DISCUSSION REALLY ABOUT HOW IT WILL IMPACT
2:35:24PM BUSINESSES.
2:35:25PM THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION WITH THE TAMPA CHAMBER AND
2:35:28PM OTHER GROUPS.
2:35:28PM IDEALLY, GROUPS THAN, T.H.A.N., NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
2:35:33PM AND THE OTHER THING, BY THE WAY, THAT I DON'T SEE IN HERE
2:35:35PM AND I FORGOT TO ASK YESTERDAY WAS CONSERVATION.
2:35:38PM THERE'S AN ALLEGATION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T
2:35:40PM CONSERVE AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD, AND I THINK YOU OUGHT TO ADD
2:35:44PM A SLIGHT ON WHAT WE ARE DOING AND PLAN TO DO IN THE FUTURE
2:35:47PM TO ANSWER THOSE ALLEGATIONS.
2:35:48PM AS YOU GO ALONG ENGAGING THE PUBLIC YOU ARE GOING TO GET
2:35:51PM ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO MODIFY YOUR PRESENTATION AS YOU
2:35:53PM GOVERNMENT BUT I WOULD RATHER, WHEN THIS COMES UP, TODAY I
2:35:56PM THINK WE ARE JUST VOTING TO TAKE IT TO PUBLIC INPUT.
2:35:59PM WE ARE NOT VOTING TO RECOMMEND IT.
2:36:01PM AND IF WE ARE VOTING FOR TO THE GO TO PUBLIC INPUT, I HOPE
2:36:04PM THAT IT WILL BE REBUT PUBLIC INPUT SO BY THE TIME IT COMES
2:36:07PM TO US THERE WILL BE CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY.
2:36:09PM THANK YOU.
2:36:16PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IF I MAY ADDRESS QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THINGS.
2:36:18PM FIRST WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WITH THE ITEM NUMBER 2,
2:36:22PM WITH 350 MILLION, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICAL WE DO NOT IMPLEMENT
2:36:29PM A POTABLE REUSE PROJECT AND WE DO AN APPLES AND APPLES
2:36:34PM COMPARISON OF BUYING WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
2:36:37PM YOU KNOW, EXPAND STAR AND GOING NORTH WITH RECLAIMED WATER,
2:36:44PM AND OTHER OPTIONS.
2:36:48PM AND WE DO NOT SELECT TAMPA, OR ANOTHER POTABLE PROJECT.
2:36:53PM THAT 350 MILLION I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY WOULD BE MORE THAN
2:36:57PM THAT, WOULD BE NEEDED TO EXPAND THE REUSE SYSTEM, TO REMOVE
2:37:01PM THE NUTRIENTS FROM THE BAY.
2:37:03PM IT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS, AS
2:37:08PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST MENTIONED.
2:37:11PM AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP.
2:37:13PM IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY A WATER SOFTENING PLANT TO
2:37:17PM FURTHER TREAT THE WATER THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE MORRIS
2:37:20PM BRIDGE WELLFIELD.
2:37:22PM SO THOSE THINGS ARE ALL -- THEY ARE NOT GROWTH RELATED.
2:37:29PM I MEAN, THEY ARE TO SOME DEGREE AND WILL BE.
2:37:32PM BUT DURING DROUGHT TIMES, WE BAY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER,
2:37:36PM AND THAT WATER NEEDS TO BE TREATED FURTHER.
2:37:39PM AND EXPANSION OF A RECLAIMED SYSTEM.
2:37:44PM DON'T FORGET THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF PUTTING THE KNOT RENTS
2:37:47PM IN THE BAY.
2:37:48PM AND PROVIDING SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIERS INLAND.
2:37:52PM SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS THAT I WOULD
2:37:55PM ARGUE EXISTING CUSTOMERS SHOULD CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE IN, AS
2:38:01PM WELL AS NEW CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN.
2:38:04PM AS TO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE AGREE, WE NEED TO HIT THAT
2:38:09PM HARD BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:38:11PM AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WRONG DATE UP THERE.
2:38:15PM AND DO A -- HIT SOCIAL MEDIA.
2:38:23PM WE JUST SIMPLY NEED TO DO THAT GET THE WORD OUT THERE AS TO
2:38:27PM WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
2:38:29PM I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
2:38:33PM IT WILL LIKELY BE THE LARGEST EFFORT ONGOING IN THIS CITY AT
2:38:39PM 3.2 BILLION DOLLARS.
2:38:41PM I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO THINGS.
2:38:44PM AND TURN IT BACK OVER.
2:38:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAN THANK YOU.
2:38:48PM I AGREE WITH ALL SENTIMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
2:38:50PM I AGREE CERTAINLY WITH COUNCIL MELISSA BECKMAN GUDES.
2:38:54PM I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
2:38:56PM I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
2:38:57PM AND WE HAVE NEVER THAT I KNOW OF NEVER HAD A PROJECT THAT
2:39:00PM WAS NEVER ADVERTISED TO THE PUBLIC AND LET THE PUBLIC KNOW.
2:39:03PM CERTAINLY NOW WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA THAT 20 YEARS AGO YOU
2:39:06PM DIDN'T HAVE.
2:39:07PM AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROJECT, 2038, RIGHT?
2:39:14PM THE SAME NUMBER THAT TAMPA BAY WATER IS SUPPOSED TO END.
2:39:17PM BE BUT IT WILL NOT END IN 2038.
2:39:23PM THIS ONE WILL.
2:39:24PM SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES.
2:39:25PM AND I AM NOT HERE TO BOOST TAMPA OR TALK BAD ABOUT TAMPA.
2:39:30PM BUT THE FACTS ARE THAT WHEN YOU DON'T TAKE WHAT IS NECESSARY
2:39:34PM TO FIX SOMETHING, GUESS WHAT, WHEN YOU GET TO THE END, YOU
2:39:38PM DON'T PAY AGAIN.
2:39:40PM AND YOU BUY A 6 CYLINDER CAR IT DOESN'T COME WITH A 4
2:39:48PM CYLINDER ENGINE.
2:39:50PM IT COMES WITH A 6 CYLINDER ENGINE.
2:39:54PM AND THE PRESENTATION, WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE IS
2:39:58PM ANOTHER ITEM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND HOW
2:40:00PM YOU HAVE TO DO IT, JUST THINK IF WE HAD THE SAME IDEA NOW
2:40:06PM THAT HAPPENED AT THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT AND THEY DIDN'T
2:40:13PM EXPAND THE PLANT.
2:40:15PM WERE THEY CONSIDERING GROWTH? NO, THEY WERE CONSIDERING
2:40:17PM NECESSITY.
2:40:18PM SO IF THAT PLANT WASN'T EXPANDED TO 96 MILLION, WHERE WOULD
2:40:23PM WE BE AT TODAY?
2:40:24PM AND IF I CAN ANSWER THAT -- CAN ANYBODY ANSWER THAT?
2:40:28PM WHAT IF THE WATER PLANT WAS FILLED AT ULELE?
2:40:33PM WHERE WOULD YOU BUYING?
2:40:35PM >>BRAD BAIRD: FIRST OF ALL ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE WE WOULD
2:40:38PM HAVE WASTEWATER OVERFLOW.
2:40:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
2:40:42PM WHAT ABOUT IF YOU HAD THE OLD WATER PLANT THE FIRST ONE BY
2:40:45PM ULELE SPRINGS?
2:40:47PM WHEREBY WOULD WE BE AT TODAY?
2:40:50PM YOU HAVE TO GO -- FACTS ARE FACTS.
2:40:54PM I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
2:40:57PM SOMEWHAT I DO.
2:40:57PM I AM NOT AS SMART AS YOU GUYS ARE.
2:41:00PM BUT WHAT IT WOULD AMOUNT TO, IT'S A HARD DECISION.
2:41:04PM EASY DECISIONS DON'T COME EASY.
2:41:07PM HARD DECISIONS ARE REALLY STUDIED AND WORKED FOR A LONG
2:41:12PM PERIOD OF TIME.
2:41:12PM THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN ONE DAY. THIS IS GOING TO
2:41:15PM HAPPEN IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
2:41:18PM THE END OF IT.
2:41:19PM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, THE FLOW CHART OF RATES, THAT'S
2:41:23PM WHAT I LOOK AT.
2:41:28PM FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, NO CITY BE UNDER THE SAME SCENARIOS
2:41:34PM THAT WE HAVE HERE, HAVE BEEN CLOSE TO THE RATES THAT WE
2:41:36PM CHARGE.
2:41:36PM NONE.
2:41:39PM AND NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE CAN CANNOT BE KICKED ANY
2:41:43PM FURTHER, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, THE COST OF JUST
2:41:47PM REPAIRING, FORGET -- IF YOU LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, IN THE
2:41:53PM NEXT 20 YEARS, YOU WILL HAVE MORE COSTS OF REPAIRING THAN
2:41:56PM YOU DID IN REPLACING.
2:41:58PM IT WOULD GO OVER, IN MY ESTIMATE, OVER $3 BILLION IN JUST
2:42:01PM FIXING AND WELDING AND BREAKING THE SAME PIPE AND CONNECTING
2:42:05PM IT BACK LATER TO SAY, HEY, YOU ARE AT THE SAME STREET DOING
2:42:09PM THE SAME THING.
2:42:09PM YEAH, WE ARE DOING THE SAME THING, SAME PIPE, JUST FIVE FEET
2:42:13PM FURTHER, REPAIRING THE PIPE.
2:42:14PM IT HAS TO BE DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
2:42:17PM AND AS FAR AS GROWTH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND EVERYBODY, WHEN
2:42:22PM THEY COME IN, THEY PAY.
2:42:23PM I DON'T PAY FOR A NEW CAR UNTIL I BUY ONE.
2:42:26PM AND BY THE WAY, I NEVER BOUGHT A THAN NEW CAR.
2:42:30PM THAT'S WHY I HAVE A COUPLE OF DOLLARS IN THE WANK BANK.
2:42:35PM I DON'T GO TO A FOOTBALL STADIUM.
2:42:37PM I PAID FOR ONE.
2:42:38PM DO I GET A REBATE?
2:42:39PM I DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
2:42:43PM I DON'T HAVE A KID IN PUBLIC SCHOOL.
2:42:45PM DO I ASK FOR A REBATE?
2:42:47PM I PAID FOR THAT SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S A NEEDED NECESSITY FOR
2:42:50PM SOCIETY.
2:42:51PM NOT FOR ME BUT FOR EVERYBODY.
2:42:53PM SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS, WHAT DO YOU DO AND HOW DO YOU
2:42:57PM FIX IT?
2:42:58PM WHY DON'T WE BRING A STADIUM IN?
2:43:00PM YOU SEE THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR IT.
2:43:06PM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE FOR THIS SOONER OR LATER.
2:43:08PM THAT'S WHAT WE GOT ELECTED FOR I.DIDN'T GET ELECTED TO BUILD
2:43:11PM A STADIUM.
2:43:12PM NONE OF THEM
2:43:14PM I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL.
2:43:15PM NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE SPORTS.
2:43:17PM BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING YOUR MONEY.
2:43:21PM AND THIS IS WHAT WE GOT ELECTED FOR, FOR THIS, FOR NOTHING
2:43:25PM ELSE.
2:43:26PM AND I AM NOT PREACHING.
2:43:27PM I AM JUST STATING A FACT.
2:43:29PM AND I APPRECIATE, WHETHER I DISAGREE WITH YOU AT TIMES, AND
2:43:33PM I QUITE OFTEN AS YOU WELL KNOW.
2:43:36PM IT IS WHAT IT IS.
2:43:37PM AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STAR AND YOU TALK ABOUT OTHER
2:43:39PM THINGS, THE COST OF PUTTING IT IN FAR EXCEEDS THE RETURN.
2:43:47PM WE TRIED IT.
2:43:49PM AND I AM NOT GOING THERE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FIGURES
2:43:51PM ARE.
2:43:52PM I AM NOT GOING TO BRING THEM.
2:43:53PM WE TRADE OTHER THINGS.
2:43:55PM AND THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS IS WHAT YOU LADIES AND
2:43:59PM GENTLEMEN ARE PRESENTING.
2:44:00PM AND BY THE WAY, I SEE WHAT YOU ALL DID.
2:44:02PM YOU HAD THE THREE PEOPLE MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THE CLOSER
2:44:05PM WAS RIGHT THERE.
2:44:08PM I SAW WHAT YOU DID.
2:44:10PM AND YOU ARE VERY, VERY INTELLIGENT IN DOING THAT.
2:44:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE I RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I
2:44:17PM UNFORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN TO BE GO DUE TO A PRIOR COMMITMENT
2:44:19PM AT 3:00.
2:44:20PM BUT I WILL BE LATE FOR IT, BUT I'M SORRY.
2:44:24PM SO PARDON ME.
2:44:31PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST REAL QUICKLY, AND BRAD, I DID HEAR
2:44:35PM SOMEBODY SAY CORRECTLY WE DO NOT HAVE AN IMPACT FEE, A WATER
2:44:39PM IMPACT FEE?
2:44:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE DO NOT.
2:44:42PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE DO NOT.
2:44:44PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY?
2:44:44PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE HAVE A CAPACITY ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE,
2:44:51PM WHICH IS AKIN TO THAT.
2:44:58PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A WATER
2:45:00PM AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE OR CAPACITY BARED BARRED I JUST
2:45:05PM DON'T KNOW THAT.
2:45:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE THAT, BECAUSE
2:45:08PM I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
2:45:09PM AND I THINK THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF.
2:45:12PM AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
2:45:14PM IF OVER THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS, WE HAVE 25 THAT YOU NEW
2:45:18PM RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, WHICH I THINK IS COMPLETELY
2:45:22PM REASONABLE THAT THERE MIGHT BE 25,000 NEWER RESIDENTIAL
2:45:26PM DWELLING UNITS OVER THE NEXT X NUMBER OF YEARS, THE
2:45:29PM WIND-THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, IF WE HAD A $1,000 FEE
2:45:33PM ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FOR THOSE NEWCOMERS, TO HELP
2:45:39PM CONTRIBUTE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PAYING THEIR NORMAL WATER
2:45:42PM BILL BUT THEY ALSO WOULD BE HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO PAY FOR
2:45:46PM THIS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED MUCH ONE
2:45:48PM WAY OR THE OTHER.
2:45:51PM THAT COMES OUT TO $25 MILLION.
2:45:55PM IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO
2:45:59PM ARE MOVING HERE, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T -- WHO ALREADY
2:46:03PM LIVE HERE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT $25 million.
2:46:07PM All right?
2:46:10PM The roads are getting busier. Everything is getting busier.
2:46:14PM The community is growing.
2:46:15PM Some people are for it.
2:46:16PM Some people are against it.
2:46:17PM I am not weighing be into that.
2:46:19PM But I am just saying newcomers should be paying their fair
2:46:23PM share.
2:46:23PM I am not looking for any decision or further discussion on
2:46:25PM it today.
2:46:26PM But I am just saying let's explore it.
2:46:28PM Let's discuss it down the road, as we continue this
2:46:31PM discussion, because I think they are in compliance.
2:46:34PM Chuck, I will agree with you.
2:46:36PM I am going to crunch this number.
2:46:37PM It's sort of a drop in the bucket compared to 3 billion
2:46:41PM dollars but it's still real money, tens of millions of
2:46:44PM DOLLARS OF POTENTIAL MONEY THAT'S OUT THEREBY, AND IN MY
2:46:48PM OPINION, OUR RESPONSIBILITY THAN TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS
2:46:51PM WHO LIVE HERE.
2:46:52PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE REITERATE, WE DO HAVE IMPACT FEES ON
2:46:58PM THE WATER SIDE, AND WE HAVE BE ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS OF
2:47:00PM LOOKING AT IMPACT FEES FOR TRANSMISSION, DISTRIBUTION, SO WE
2:47:07PM ARE WORKING ON IT AS WE SPEAK.
2:47:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:47:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT TO ASK THAT THEY COME BACK AND
2:47:19PM REPORT TO US?
2:47:21PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M OKAY.
2:47:22PM THEY KNOW THE QUESTION.
2:47:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO OTHER QUICK COMMENTS.
2:47:28PM ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, IN OTHER UTILITIES, IF THEY HAVE A
2:47:34PM QUOTE-UNQUOTE UNIVERSAL COVERAGE AND I THINK IT'S MAYBE IN A
2:47:37PM LATER SLIDE, WE CUT YOU OFF, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT PROGRAMS
2:47:42PM TO HELP PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THIS RIGHT HERE.
2:47:46PM >> YES.
2:47:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.
2:47:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO BE SURE WE PUT THAT ON THE RECORD
2:47:57PM FOR ANYBODY WATCHING.
2:47:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE?
2:47:59PM NO?
2:48:00PM >>BRAD BAIRD: SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:48:04PM >> IS THERE A PROPOSED MOTION?
2:48:07PM WHAT DO WE DO?
2:48:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FURTHER DISCUSSION IS JUNE 6th SO
2:48:11PM WE HAVE TO AUTHORIZE TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC.
2:48:15PM IS THERE A MOTION NEEDED FOR THAT?
2:48:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD MAYBE SUGGEST SOME PHRASEOLOGY?
2:48:21PM COULD WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS,
2:48:32PM WHATEVER, DEPARTMENT TO TAKE THIS IDEA TO THE PUBLIC TO GET
2:48:36PM INPUT TO BRING BACK TO US?
2:48:40PM THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS WE ARE NOT TODAY SAYING WE ARE FOR OR
2:48:43PM AGAINST IT, WE JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT.
2:48:45PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THIS
2:48:48PM SLIDE MUCH YOU ARE SHOWING, YOU HAVE IN NUMBER 4 CONSIDER
2:48:50PM RATE INCREASE.
2:48:51PM I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ADD A NUMBER 4, OR SORRY, THE LAST
2:48:55PM POINT, THAT IF APPROVED NEW RATES WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE.
2:49:02PM YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, IF YOU SHOWED SOMETHING LIKE
2:49:05PM THAT, PEOPLE THINK IT'S A DONE DEAL AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
2:49:08PM LISTEN TO THEM.
2:49:09PM SO I HOPE THAT WE GENUINELY LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T
2:49:12PM JUST PRESENT AND EDUCATE BUT WE LISTEN AND BRING FEEDBACK.
2:49:16PM IF THE MOTION IS THAT WE APPROVE TAKING THE PUBLIC TO BRING
2:49:19PM THE PUBLIC'S INPUT BACK, THAT WILL GIVE US SUGGESTIONS THAT
2:49:22PM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE TO MODIFY THE PROGRAM OR APPROVE IT
2:49:26PM AS IT IS.
2:49:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT AS PUBLIC
2:49:33PM INVOLVEMENT, PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS COME
2:49:37PM BACK ON SEPTEMBER 5th AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PRESENT
2:49:44PM WHAT WE FOUND IN THAT OUTREACH.
2:49:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SAY SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:49:53PM WHAT ABOUT AUGUST?
2:49:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD: WE HAD TO MOVE IT OUT.
2:49:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OH, YEAH, YEAH.
2:49:59PM >> AND I'M SORRY, WAS THERE A MOTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING
2:50:09PM FOR CONSIDERATION?
2:50:11PM >> NO, AS WE CRAFT A MOTION, I WAS SUGGESTING LANGUAGE THAT
2:50:13PM WE SAY THAT WE APPROVE FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO TAKE THIS IDEA TO
2:50:19PM THE PUBLIC, TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, THAT THEY WOULD
2:50:22PM BRING BACK TO US.
2:50:24PM SO WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OR AGAINST IT TODAY.
2:50:27PM WE ARE JUST ASKING PUBLIC WORKS TO GET PUBLIC INPUT TO BE
2:50:29PM BRING BACK SO THEN WE COULD CONSIDER IT LATER.
2:50:32PM >> SO UNDER THE STATUTE WE NEED TO NOTICE, USING THE UTILITY
2:50:38PM BILLING PROCESS, NOTICE THE PUBLIC OF WHEN A PUBLIC HEARING
2:50:41PM WILL BE SET SO THEY CAN PARTICIPATE.
2:50:43PM AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU HEARD PREVIOUSLY IS THAT THE FOLKS
2:50:51PM INDICATED THAT SEPTEMBER 5th WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE
2:50:54PM COULD SET THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
2:50:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO IN THE LANGUAGE OF IT, CAN WE SAY, CAN WE
2:51:00PM USE WHAT HE SAID HERE, WE ARE CONSIDERING A RATE INCREASE,
2:51:03PM WE ARE CONSIDERING A PLAN, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE
2:51:07PM THE IMPRESSION IT'S A FULL BLOWN CONCLUSION BECAUSE WE COULD
2:51:14PM COME BACK AND SAY NO, IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA.
2:51:16PM >> RIGHT.
2:51:17PM JUST THE DATE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE SET, BUT WE CAN
2:51:20PM NOTICE, TOO.
2:51:21PM >>THE CLERK: DOES THAT REQUIRE A RESOLUTION TO SET THE
2:51:24PM PUBLIC HEARING?
2:51:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR SEPTEMBER 5th?
2:51:28PM ONLY SEPTEMBER 5th?
2:51:30PM >> JAN MCLEAN: I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD REQUIRE A
2:51:32PM RESOLUTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT IT IS FOR SEPTEMBER
2:51:34PM 5th.
2:51:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY GET THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER.
2:51:43PM >> JAN MCLEAN: IT'S GOING TO BE DONE THROUGH THE UTILITY
2:51:45PM BILLS.
2:51:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: AS I SAID EARLIER, IF THAT DATE IS THE FOCAL
2:51:53PM POINT, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE.
2:51:54PM THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT'S EVER HAPPENED IN
2:51:57PM THIS CITY.
2:51:57PM AND THAT'S I THINK -- THE AIRPORT PROJECT, SORRY, BUT IT
2:52:02PM WILL BE THE BIGGEST THING HAPPENING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
2:52:04PM AND MAYBE EVEN DURING THE RECESSION.
2:52:06PM AND THIS IS A BIG RATE INCREASE.
2:52:08PM WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ROBUST CONVERSATION, AND
2:52:12PM THAT THE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING, WE NEED TO GET OUT
2:52:14PM THERE IN LOTS OF WAYS.
2:52:15PM BUT I AM HOPING THAT EVERYBODY WE RUN INTO KNOWS ALL ABOUT
2:52:19PM THIS, AND HAS ALL THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ASKED AND
2:52:23PM SUBMITTED WAY BEFORE WE GET TO SEPTEMBER 5th, PLEASE.
2:52:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:52:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, AND I AGREE.
2:52:34PM WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY, IF ANYTHING?
2:52:38PM YOU HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC OF A POSSIBLE
2:52:40PM RATE INCREASE?
2:52:41PM >>SONYA LITTLE: IF WE CAN GET AUTHORIZATION FROM CITY
2:52:48PM COUNCIL TODAY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE NOTICE TO ALL OF OUR
2:52:50PM UTILITY CUSTOMERS -- FOR CONSIDERATION, AND NOTICE OF THE
2:52:55PM PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:52:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.
2:52:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE, SO NOBODY GETS
2:53:05PM THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S SET IN STONE, YOU KNOW, WHO IS
2:53:07PM GOING TO LISTEN TO US NOW, THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE SOMETHING?
2:53:10PM LITTLE ALSO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WE DID
2:53:13PM FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS THE RATE
2:53:15PM TO COME AND PROVIDE INPUT RELATED TO THE RECOMMENDED
2:53:20PM PROPOSED RATE.
2:53:22PM THIS IS A NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS, AND IN SOME CASES WE
2:53:25PM ADVERTISE, IN THIS CASE ACCORDING TO MS. MCLEAN WE'RE
2:53:30PM ACQUIRED UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES TO PUT IT IN THE CUSTOMER
2:53:32PM UTILITY BILL.
2:53:34PM WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT AND WILL MOVE FORWARD DOING THAT
2:53:37PM WITH YOUR AUTHORIZATION.
2:53:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:53:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT BUT I HAVE
2:53:44PM ISSUES THAT WE DON'T MARKET WELL HERE.
2:53:46PM IF YOU PUT IT OUT IN THE UTILITY BILL, YOU ARE GOING TO LET
2:53:51PM THE PUBLIC KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
2:53:55PM AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE NOBODY REALLY
2:54:00PM KNOWS.
2:54:01PM I TOLD YOU IN THE MEETING BEFORE, PEOPLE GET THAT BILL UP
2:54:04PM AND THE FIRST THING I DO, I SEE WHAT MY BILL IS.
2:54:07PM SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MARKET IT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING
2:54:12PM BECAUSE IT IS A HIGH TICKET ITEM.
2:54:14PM I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
2:54:15PM >>SONYA LITTLE: WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
2:54:18PM AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALSO, ABOUT THE CONCERN OF
2:54:21PM PROPERLY NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC.
2:54:23PM SO THE FIRST STEP AND THE AUTHORIZATION THAT GOES OUT IN THE
2:54:28PM UTILITY BILLS, IT WILL NOT BE A LINE ITEM.
2:54:31PM IT WILL BE A SEPARATE BRIGHTLY COLORED SHEET TO COMMUNICATE
2:54:37PM THE INTENT, AND ALSO TO NOTIFY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR
2:54:43PM SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:54:44PM IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TALKING ABOUT
2:54:48PM PARTNERING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISONS WITHIN THE CITY TO
2:54:52PM FURTHER GET THE INFORMATION OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
2:54:55PM MEETINGS, IN ADDITION TO USING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA EFFORTS.
2:54:59PM SO WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR.
2:55:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS A CLARIFICATION, AND CERTAINLY CAN
2:55:08PM TALK TO IT, BUT THE AUTHORIZATION TO THE NOTICE, TO NOTICE
2:55:12PM THE PUBLIC OF A RATE INCREASE, THE QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE
2:55:17PM THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
2:55:18PM YOU REQUIRE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TODAY THAT HAS TO APPEAR IN
2:55:25PM THE NOTICE?
2:55:25PM >>SONYA LITTLE: YES.
2:55:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S WHY IT'S POSSIBLE.
2:55:32PM >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTED MOTION?
2:55:35PM INSTEAD OF AUTHORIZATION, TELL ME LEGALLY IF THIS IS RIGHT
2:55:40PM OR NOT.
2:55:41PM BUT IF WE COULD BE SAY SOMETHING LIKE COUNCIL REQUESTS THAT
2:55:44PM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT RUN A ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
2:55:54PM PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th, AND THEN AND
2:56:01PM PROPERLY NOTICE THE PUBLIC THAT THERE IS A CONSIDERATION OF
2:56:05PM A POSSIBLE RATE INCREASE, AND REQUEST THAT YOU RETURN TO A
2:56:12PM PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5th TO PRESENT THE FEEDBACK
2:56:14PM FROM THE PUBLIC.
2:56:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, YOU KNOW,
2:56:20PM THE ADMINISTRATION, EVERYONE HERE IS ASKING US FOR MILLIONS
2:56:27PM OF DOLLARS.
2:56:28PM WHAT WOULD IT TAKE A COUPLE DOLLARS MORE TO PUT IT IN THE
2:56:31PM NAPE, SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THE UTILITY BILL, THERE ARE PEOPLE
2:56:34PM THAT WILL SKIP RATE OVER IT.
2:56:36PM LIKE I SAID, LA GACETA, FLORIDA SENTINEL.
2:56:40PM >>SONYA LITTLE: COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE BEEN VERBALIZING THIS
2:56:44PM THAN FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.
2:56:46PM WE ARE NOT THAN -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DELAYING
2:56:50PM THE ADVERTISEMENT, DOING THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
2:56:54PM WE HAVE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
2:56:56PM AND WE WILL KEEP YOU APPRAISED TO THE EFFORTS BEING MADE
2:56:59PM BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th AS FAR AS NOTIFYING THE
2:57:01PM PUBLIC.
2:57:10PM >>BILL CARLSON: ORLANDO AND I, WE ARE ALL AS AN EXAMPLE OF
2:57:14PM OUR EXPERIENCE, AS AND WE PARAPLEGIC IF WE KEEP MISSING --
2:57:19PM KEEP REPEATING THIS, EVERYTHING WAS IN PARTICULAR BUT TWO OF
2:57:22PM THEM IN PARTICULAR WERE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE UNANIMOUSLY,
2:57:25PM NINE OF US UNANIMOUSLY REQUESTED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
2:57:29PM ADVERTISE, AND THEY DID IT.
2:57:31PM AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, IT'S FREE TO SET UP A FACEBOOK PAGE
2:57:34PM FOR THE EVENT.
2:57:35PM AND WE WERE UNANIMOUSLY IMPRESSED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
2:57:38PM PUT UP A FAQ PAGE EVENT.
2:57:40PM AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TWO WEEKS LATER WAS
2:57:44PM NO.
2:57:44PM AND SO ALL THAT IS, ORLANDO, THIS IS A NEW DAY WITH A NEW
2:57:49PM ADMINISTRATION.
2:57:51PM IN WATCHING THE NEW MAYOR AND COMMUNICATING WITH HER, I
2:57:54PM THINK IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW ERA, AND I THINK THAT SHE'S
2:57:58PM GIVEN A DIRECTIVE TO EVERYONE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND
2:58:01PM LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
2:58:02PM AND I THINK SORRY IF WE SOUND LAKE BROKEN RECORDS, BUT I
2:58:06PM THINK THE CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY
2:58:08PM HELP ALL OF THIS AND WE WON'T HAVE TO HARP AS MUCH GOING
2:58:12PM FORWARD.
2:58:13PM BUT THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO
2:58:15PM FOR A LONG TIME.
2:58:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THOUGHT STORMWATER WAS YEARS AGO.
2:58:22PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
2:58:25PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, I APPRECIATE MR. CARLSON'S
2:58:27PM BACKGROUND IN PUBLIC RELATIONS AND I AGREE WITH HIM, I THINK
2:58:31PM THIS SHOULD BE CALLED SOMETHING, POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE,
2:58:36PM WHEREVER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, AS LONG AS THAT'S LEGALLY
2:58:39PM SUFFICIENT.
2:58:41PM BECAUSE WE ARE NOT COMMITTED YET.
2:58:43PM YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE COMMITTED UNTIL WE VOTE, WHENEVER
2:58:46PM YOU ARE ASKING US TO VOTE, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WHATEVER.
2:58:52PM AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY SAY, OH,
2:58:55PM IT'S JUST SEMANTICS.
2:58:57PM BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
2:58:58PM THE OTHER THING IS, MR. CARLSON, I APPRECIATE YOUR
2:59:01PM SUGGESTION, AND I AM ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT MAYBE AS A
2:59:05PM SEPARATE MOTION WOULD ASK BY SPECIFIC MOTION THAT YOU GUYS
2:59:12PM COME BACK SOMETIME DURING THE SUMMER AND LET'S TALK ABOUT
2:59:15PM IMPACT FEES AND/OR RELATED ISSUES.
2:59:17PM SO I'LL DO THAT AS A SEPARATE MOTION AFTERWARDS.
2:59:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
2:59:21PM ANYBODY ELSE?
2:59:22PM ALL RIGHT.
2:59:22PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:59:24PM THEN YOU MADE THE MOTION.
2:59:27PM DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE IT?
2:59:28PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
2:59:40PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE HAVE AN EVENING MEETING THAT NIGHT?
2:59:41PM BECAUSE FRANKLY, AN EVENING WOULD BE MORE FAIR.
2:59:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT SHOULD BE EVENING ACTUALLY, YES.
2:59:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO FIRST OF SEPTEMBER WE ARE CLOSED FOR
2:59:53PM LABOR DAY OF COURSE.
2:59:54PM ON SEPTEMBER 5th IS A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
2:59:57PM WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT EVENING.
3:00:03PM I WOULD SAY 6:00 TO GET FOLKS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET OFF
3:00:07PM WORK AT 5:00, 5:30.
3:00:11PM WOULD THAT BE PART OF YOUR MOTION?
3:00:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES, PLEASE, 6:00.
3:00:15PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:00:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN CALL THAT A REGULAR MEETING OF
3:00:22PM COUNCIL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS.
3:00:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 5th, 6:00 P.M.
3:00:29PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ALL I SAID.
3:00:32PM DO YOU WANT TO READ IT BACK?
3:00:34PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SANDY, DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE SO WE KNOW
3:00:36PM WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON, SOMETHING CLOSE?
3:00:39PM >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:00:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL JUST SAY IT AGAIN AND FORCEFULLY.
3:00:56PM I THINK THE WORD ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
3:00:58PM AND SORRY, IT'S LIKE JOHN IS AN ATTORNEY.
3:01:02PM YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TAKE THAT KNOWLEDGE OUT OF YOUR HEAD.
3:01:06PM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE WORDS ARE RIGHT.
3:01:08PM THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS -- THE PUBLIC
3:01:15PM WORKS DEPARTMENT ENGAGE THE PUBLIC WITH A ROBUST PUBLIC
3:01:25PM ENGAGEMENT PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th WITH
3:01:37PM THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK TO US ON
3:01:42PM SEPTEMBER 5th WHILE ALSO NOTICING -- LEGALLY NOTICING
3:01:51PM THE PUBLIC OF A POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE, AND THAT THERE WILL
3:01:58PM BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5th AT 6:00.
3:02:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:02:03PM WE HAVE A MOTION.
3:02:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
3:02:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:02:08PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:02:10PM ALL RIGHT.
3:02:10PM MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
3:02:13PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:02:14PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:02:21PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
3:02:23PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RELEVANT STAFF RETURN TO US IN
3:02:26PM AUGUST -- MR. SHELBY, IF YOU CAN HELP ME.
3:02:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS ON AUGUST
3:02:32PM 1st AND AUGUST 22ND.
3:02:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DURING STAFF REPORTS AUGUST 22ND TO
3:02:38PM UPDATE US ON POSSIBILITY OF IMPACT FEE OR ANY SIMILAR
3:02:46PM MEASURES AS RELATED TO OUR UTILITY PROGRAM.
3:02:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BE
3:02:54PM DINGFELDER, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:02:56PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:02:57PM ALL RIGHT.
3:03:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: WANT TO SET UP ONE ON THE PROPOSALS FOR NEW
3:03:03PM SOURCES AND REUSE?
3:03:06PM DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE SEPTEMBER 5th OR NOT?
3:03:13PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S UP TO YOU.
3:03:14PM MY ISSUE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
3:03:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE HAVE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY BY SEPTEMBER
3:03:23PM 5th, DO WE HAVE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU ARE GOING
3:03:25PM TO SPEND THE 350 MILLION ON?
3:03:27PM OR CAN WE JUST LEAVE IT IN A GENERAL BUCKET AND DECIDE THE
3:03:32PM ACTUAL SOURCES LATER?
3:03:34PM >>SONYA LITTLE: YES, SIR.
3:03:38PM THE 350 MILLION CAN BE LEFT IN THE GENERAL BUDGET THE WAY
3:03:44PM THAT THE MODELING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE SIX TO
3:03:48PM SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD.
3:03:50PM THAT 350 WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE RESULTING RATES NO
3:03:54PM MATTER WHAT SCENARIO YOU GO WITH, WITH OR WITHOUT OF THAT
3:03:57PM 350 IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS.
3:04:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY SUGGESTION IS ONCE WE GET PAST THIS
3:04:02PM PROCESS, THEN WE START A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS REGARDING
3:04:08PM HOW TO USE THAT MONEY, AND THAT WILL BE A WHOLE OTHER
3:04:13PM DISCUSSION.
3:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:04:24PM SO WE HAVE DINGFELDER'S MOTION?
3:04:28PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DINGFELDER, MADE A MOTION, GUDES
3:04:33PM SECONDED IT.
3:04:35PM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION?
3:04:37PM ALL RIGHT.
3:04:37PM MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
3:04:40PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:04:42PM WE GO ONTO OUR LAST ITEM, MR. SNELLING, THE SKATEBOARD
3:04:46PM STRUCTURES.
3:04:46PM >>THOM SNELLING: YES.
3:04:56PM I'M HERE TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE BACKGROUND
3:04:59PM INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, AND HALF PIPE.
3:05:09PM PART OF THE MOTION SAYS WHAT YOU DO IN THE SHORT TERM AND IN
3:05:12PM THE LONG-TERM.
3:05:12PM KRISTIN AND REBECCA ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LONG-TERM
3:05:18PM POSSIBILITIES TO CONSIDER.
3:05:20PM MY BACKGROUND INFORMATION IS THAT YOU ALL KNOW IF THE
3:05:25PM GENTLEMAN HAS PIPE PERMITS, HE HAS NOT CALLED IN FOR HIS
3:05:29PM FIRST INSPECTION SO THERE WERE SOME ISSUES ABOUT WHETHER THE
3:05:32PM DRAIN IS GOING TO WORK OR IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND SOME
3:05:36PM OTHER ITEMS THAT MR. HATCH HAD MENTIONED BOTH IN HIS LETTER
3:05:39PM AND THE TAMES HE SPOKE BEFORE YOU.
3:05:41PM UNTIL HE CALLS IN FOR THAT FIRST INSPECTION ON HIS ACTIVE
3:05:44PM PERMIT, WE WON'T GO OUT THERE, AND THAT'S BY OUR PROCESS AND
3:05:47PM OUR CODE.
3:05:48PM WE WON'T GONE OUT THERE AND DO THE INSPECTION AND EVALUATE
3:05:51PM WHETHER THE DRAIN WORKS OR NOT.
3:05:54PM UNFORTUNATELY, THE RETAINING WALL ULTIMATELY IS LEANING AND
3:05:59PM IT'S FALLING, AND IF IT'S CAUSING THE DRAINAGE TO NOT DO
3:06:02PM WHAT HIS PLANS SHOW, THEN WE WILL ADDRESS THAT.
3:06:07PM THE LEANING OF THE WALL ONTO MR. HATCH'S PROPERTY IS A CIVIL
3:06:10PM MATTER, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
3:06:12PM HE AND I HAVE TALKING OUT IN THE HALL EARLIER AND BEFORE,
3:06:15PM TOO.
3:06:15PM THE OTHER ITEM, HE STILL HAS AN ACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE
3:06:20PM FOR THE HALF PIPE.
3:06:21PM HE'S ALSO BEEN CITED FOR AN ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE
3:06:26PM BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS BUTTING HIS PLAYS IN BE REVIEW HE HAD
3:06:31PM EXPANDED HIS DRIVEWAY AND RAN THE SIDEWALK AGAINST THAN THE
3:06:33PM CITY CODE, AND HE'S BEEN CITED FOR THAT AS WELL.
3:06:37PM AND THEN IN THE COURSE OF ACTION OF OUR INSPECTORS OUT
3:06:40PM THERE, WE FOUND THAT HE HAD ALSO BUILT A PERGOLA AND
3:06:46PM EXTENSION OF THE PATIO WITH A ROOF ON IT, WHICH ALSO NEEDED
3:06:48PM A PERMIT, DID THAT WORK WITHOUT PERMITS, AND HE'S UNDER
3:06:49PM CITATION FOR THAT.
3:06:51PM SO THAT PARTICULAR CITIZEN IS UNDER THREE DIFFERENT
3:06:54PM CITATIONS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
3:06:57PM NOT ALL RELATED, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
3:06:59PM AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW.
3:07:02PM IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
3:07:03PM YOU HAVE TO GO OUT.
3:07:04PM YOU HAVE TO REINSPECT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
3:07:07PM SO THE SHORT TERM IS THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF
3:07:10PM THESE VARIOUS PROCESSES, IN SPITE OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS
3:07:16PM PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR DUE PROCESS.
3:07:20PM OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE END UP SUING THE CITY.
3:07:23PM AND WE TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE.
3:07:28PM THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT IS.
3:07:33PM IN THE SHORT TERM WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN RIGHT
3:07:35PM NOW TO REIN THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IN.
3:07:39PM THE REVIEW.
3:07:40PM WE ARE NOT GOING TO PASS UNTIL IT MEETS ALL CODES.
3:07:44PM AND ALSO ON THE SITE REQUIREMENTS.
3:07:49PM THAT THE POINT IT IS A LEGAL, ALLOWABLE STRUCTURE LIKE A
3:07:55PM BATTING CAGE, A BASKETBALL COURT, A SWIMMING POOL, TREE
3:08:00PM HOUSES AND PLAY STRUCTURES.
3:08:02PM ALL OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF GET THE SIMILAR CONTAINED OF
3:08:06PM THING.
3:08:07PM SO IN THIS CASE, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN IN THE SHORT
3:08:10PM TERM TO TRY TO ENFORCE THIS THING.
3:08:11PM AND THEN FIX THE NOISE THAT MR. HATCH HIMSELF SAID HE CALLED
3:08:17PM TPD WHICH IS EXACTLY APPROPRIATE, AND TPD ANSWERS, AND THEY
3:08:21PM MAKE THEM STOP.
3:08:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT BEGAN WITH A SKATE STRUCTURE.
3:08:26PM AND THEN THERE'S NO PERMITS FOR THE PATIO.
3:08:29PM THEN THERE'S DRIVEWAY EXPANSION ISSUES.
3:08:31PM THEN THERE'S NO RESPECT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AT THE END OF
3:08:34PM THE DAY.
3:08:34PM IT'S NOT JUST OH, IT'S A BAD NEIGHBOR AND THE SKATE RAMP
3:08:39PM MAKES A TON OF NOISE.
3:08:40PM ON TOP OF THAT, THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS IN VIOLATION,
3:08:44PM ESSENTIALLY, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE --
3:08:48PM >>THOM SNELLING: WE ARE DISCOVERING.
3:08:52PM AND WE DO THAT KIND OF STUFF ALL THE TIME.
3:08:56PM WE ARE CONSTANTLY GOING AFTER PEOPLE THAT --
3:09:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT DO YOU MEAN LEGAL?
3:09:06PM THE ONLY VIOLATION -- I MEAN, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO --
3:09:14PM >>THOM SNELLING: IT'S OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
3:09:16PM HE'S GOT TO GET IN COMPLIANCE.
3:09:18PM WHEN THEY GO OUT AND REINSPECT IN 15, 30 DAYS, I DON'T KNOW
3:09:22PM THE EXACT TIME FRAME, HE WILL EITHER PASS, OR HE WILL FAIL.
3:09:25PM IF HE FAILS, THE NEXT STEP IS TO MOVE HIM TO THE HEARING
3:09:29PM MAGISTRATE.
3:09:29PM HEARING MAGISTRATE HEARS HIM.
3:09:31PM FINDS HIM GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY.
3:09:33PM IF HE FINDS HIM GUILTY, HE CAN GO IN START CLEANING THE
3:09:37PM PROPERTY.
3:09:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS DEEMED RECREATIONAL, RIGHT?
3:09:40PM >>THOM SNELLING: IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
3:09:42PM AND WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE SEE IT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
3:09:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE A CODE FOR RECREATION?
3:09:52PM >>THOM SNELLING: NOT -- NOT IN THIS SENSE, NO, SIR.
3:09:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BECAUSE IT'S OUT IN A BACKYARD ON A
3:10:01PM RESIDENTIAL -- IT'S GOING UP IN THE AIR, AND YOU HAVE
3:10:04PM RESIDENTS AND THEIR PRIVACY HAS BEEN AFFECTED.
3:10:07PM >>THOM SNELLING: PEOPLE HAVE BOWLING AND SHUFFLEBOARD
3:10:13PM COURTS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
3:10:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT THEY ARE NOT LOOKING OVER AT THE
3:10:17PM NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
3:10:19PM >>THOM SNELLING: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:10:20PM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:10:27PM WELL, BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, COUNCILMEN, I WOULD LIKE YOU
3:10:29PM TO LISTEN TO WHAT KRISTIN HAS TO SAY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD
3:10:33PM CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THE FUTURE.
3:10:35PM AND I THINK MR. HATCH REALIZES THAT THIS KIND OF HE'S STUCK
3:10:42PM BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, AND THE LARGER ISSUE IN AND
3:10:47PM AROUND THE CITY, SO I THINK KRISTIN IS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT
3:10:53PM YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT, ALONG THE LINE OF COUNCILMAN GUDES'
3:11:00PM THINKING.
3:11:01PM THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
3:11:02PM I HAVE A 3:30 I HAVE TO GET TO.
3:11:04PM EXCUSE ME.
3:11:05PM >>KRISTIN MORA: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
3:11:09PM SO RECREATIONAL STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL
3:11:12PM DISTRICTS.
3:11:12PM IN FACT, PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT COULD
3:11:16PM POTENTIALLY HAVE LARGE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED
3:11:21PM IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
3:11:22PM THAT IS THE POLICY THAT'S SET OUT IN THE CODE CURRENTLY.
3:11:24PM CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT THROUGH LAND
3:11:27PM DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
3:11:31PM THE ONLY CAVEAT I WOULD GIVE YOU FOR THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE
3:11:34PM CRAFTING LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, YOU HAVE TO TREAT
3:11:38PM ALIKE THINGS ALIKE.
3:11:40PM AND MAYBE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC
3:11:46PM WELFARE REASON FOR WHAT YOU DO.
3:11:49PM SO AS YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, AND WHAT THE
3:11:52PM PARTICULAR ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONCERN IS THE NOISE
3:11:56PM ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE DO HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE.
3:12:00PM THERE WAS A BULLETIN TO TPD THAT THEY CAN ENFORCE NOISE
3:12:05PM ORDINANCE AGAINST THIS SKATING PARK, SO THAT IS AN AVAILABLE
3:12:09PM AVENUE TO TRY AND STOP EXCESSIVE NOISE, BUT ALSO THE CONCERN
3:12:15PM IS NOISE, THEN SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT OTHER POTENTIALLY
3:12:19PM NOISY STRUCTURES SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PICK JUST ONE
3:12:24PM THING.
3:12:25PM YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF SERIOUS
3:12:28PM NOISE-CAUSING TYPE OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, LIKE THAN THE
3:12:34PM CONCERN OF PRIVACY, STRUCTURES -- ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE
3:12:38PM ALLOWED TO BE 15 FEET BY RIGHT UNDER THE CODE AND PRIVACY
3:12:42PM WALLS CAN ONLY BE 6 FEET.
3:12:44PM SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO THINK
3:12:47PM ABOUT, DISCUSS, POTENTIALLY WORKSHOP.
3:12:51PM THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THERE MIGHT BE ZONING
3:12:55PM REGULATIONS AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
3:12:58PM I JUST ASK YOU TO BE OPEN TO AND PERHAPS WORKSHOP AND
3:13:01PM DISCUSS THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THEM FURTHER.
3:13:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL?
3:13:07PM MR. DINGFELDER.
3:13:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THOSE UNFORTUNATE
3:13:12PM THINGS, DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TO THE
3:13:18PM NEIGHBOR WHO IS BACK IN THE AUDIENCE, BECAUSE I AM NOT
3:13:21PM REALLY CONVINCED OTHER THAN THESE CODE ENFORCEMENT THINGS
3:13:26PM THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BE GREAT
3:13:28PM SOLUTION.
3:13:29PM AND I JUST LIKE TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONEST IF
3:13:34PM POSSIBLE.
3:13:37PM JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SORT OF CHASING THE TRAIN, YOU KNOW.
3:13:41PM HE GOT THIS BUILT, HE APPARENTLY PULLED SOME SORT OF
3:13:45PM TEMPORARY/SOMEWHAT PERMANENT PERMIT, AND AS LONG AS HE CAN
3:13:51PM FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BE COMPLIANT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S
3:13:54PM MUCH WE CAN DO.
3:13:56PM NOW, WITH THAT SAID, THAT DOESN'T MEAN AS AN INDIVIDUAL
3:14:00PM HOMEOWNER, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILE AN ACTION IN
3:14:05PM CIRCUIT COURT AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR FOR NUISANCE, NOT JUST
3:14:10PM FOR THE WALL BEING A NUISANCE BUT THE NOISE BEING A
3:14:14PM NUISANCE.
3:14:15PM THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE POSSIBLE LEGAL OPINION, BUT DON'T
3:14:18PM QUOTE ME ON IT.
3:14:19PM BUT, ANYWAY, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT IT'S INHERENT IN
3:14:27PM THIS BOARD TO INITIATE AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING RESIDENTIAL
3:14:31PM SKATEBOARDS.
3:14:33PM YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO GO INTO IMAGINING WHAT
3:14:37PM OTHER TYPES OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES WE MIGHT WANT TO
3:14:39PM PROHIBIT.
3:14:40PM I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHERS.
3:14:43PM GENERALLY PEOPLE AREN'T BUILDING TENNIS COURTS AND OTHER
3:14:47PM PROBLEM-TYPE THINGS IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
3:14:49PM ESPECIALLY NOT IN 50-FOOT LOTS.
3:14:53PM BUT NOW WE CAN SEE A SKATEBOARD FACILITY IN RESIDENTIAL
3:14:58PM RS-50s, RS-60s, MAYBE EVEN RS-75s OR 100S ARE
3:15:04PM PROBLEMATIC AND I THINK AT A MINIMUM IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP
3:15:06PM THAT GENTLEMAN, BUT AT A MINIMUM WE SHOULD PROHIBIT FUTURE
3:15:09PM DEVELOPMENT OF SKATEBOARD FACILITIES.
3:15:12PM WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAFT THAT.
3:15:14PM WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
3:15:15PM THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BRILLIANT COUNSEL AND STAFF THAT DO IT.
3:15:19PM AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE OVERNIGHT.
3:15:22PM BUT I THINK IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS, IN THE NEXT
3:15:24PM CYCLE, THAN ZONING ORDINANCE CYCLE, I THINK WE SHOULD FIGURE
3:15:30PM OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
3:15:31PM WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF
3:15:35PM AND LEGAL TO DRAFT AND BRING BACK A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE THAT
3:15:41PM PROHIBITS SKATEBOARD FACILITIES IN CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL
3:15:45PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:15:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
3:15:49PM DINGFELDER WITH A QUICK SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:15:52PM DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT?
3:15:54PM >>KRISTIN MORA: IF I MAY, I THINK THE NEXT CYCLE CUT-OFF IS
3:15:57PM JULY 15th.
3:15:58PM SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE JULY CYCLE, 2019.
3:16:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME?
3:16:05PM >>KRISTIN MORA: SOMETHING WILL BE DRAFTED, AND THEN THOSE
3:16:09PM PUBLIC INITIATED AMENDMENT FOR THE JULY CYCLE WILL BE
3:16:12PM WORKSHOPPED AT SOME POINT AFTER JULY.
3:16:14PM SO IT WILL BE AMONGST THOSE.
3:16:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WILL BE MY MOTION.
3:16:19PM THAT WILL BE THE DATE.
3:16:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOT IT?
3:16:21PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SECONDED FROM
3:16:24PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:16:26PM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION?
3:16:27PM ALL RIGHT.
3:16:28PM ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
3:16:32PM NO?
3:16:34PM THAT COMPLETES THE AGENDA.
3:16:35PM SO WE WILL BE GOING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
3:16:37PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:16:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: WORKSHOP ON THE 20th ABOUT HOUSING.
3:16:45PM AND BEING ASKED WHAT THE AGENDA IS.
3:16:48PM ARE WE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO DO
3:16:51PM THREE MINUTES?
3:16:52PM FOR EXAMPLE, THE TAMPA CHAMBER WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, DO WE
3:16:55PM JUST ASK THEM --
3:16:57PM >>> ON THE 22ND?
3:17:01PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT NOT THE 20th?
3:17:04PM >> 20th OF JUNE.
3:17:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
3:17:08PM CHAMBER THAN WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK DO. WE JUST LET
3:17:12PM THEM SPEAK IN THE THREE MINUTES?
3:17:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNDER CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AT THE
3:17:16PM BEGINNING.
3:17:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE WORKSHOP PRESENTLY HAS FOUR
3:17:22PM COMMENDATIONS.
3:17:24PM AND THEN THE FRONT PORCH DISCUSSION.
3:17:27PM THEN THE REST OF THE MORNING WILL BE TO DISCUSS AFFORDABLE
3:17:31PM HOUSING.
3:17:32PM I WOULD RECOMMEND, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN 1:30
3:17:36PM TO 3:30, NO LATER THAN 3:30 LAND USE WORKSHOP THAT'S BEEN
3:17:40PM SCHEDULED, THAT YOU DO KEEP IN MIND THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD
3:17:44PM BE IN COUNCIL'S BEST INTEREST TO BE TAKE A LUNCH BREAK TO
3:17:46PM ALLOW THAN YOUR MORNING SESSION TO CONCLUDE BY THEN.
3:17:51PM >>BILL CARLSON: MY QUESTION IS ABOUT AGENDA, IF THEY ARE
3:17:53PM GOING TO GET 200 PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK AT THREE MINUTES EACH.
3:17:56PM DO WE WANT CONTENT EXPERTS?
3:17:58PM DO WE WANT CONTENT EXPERTS TO COME AND PRESENT TOO?
3:18:01PM OR DO WE JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THREE MINUTES?
3:18:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE] NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
3:18:12PM TO DO THE TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION ON TRIM NOTICE WITHOUT
3:18:16PM LIGHTING UP THAT AGENDA.
3:18:18PM BUT TO -- HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBERS WOULD YOU EXPECT
3:18:21PM TO COME?
3:18:24PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S NOT JUST THEM.
3:18:26PM THERE ARE OTHER ORIGINALS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
3:18:28PM MY FEELING IS WE INCLUDE EVERYBODY IN THE THREE-MINUTE PART.
3:18:31PM I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTIONS, DO YOU WANT AN AGENDA OR JUST
3:18:34PM LET ANYBODY SPEAK AT ONCE?
3:18:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS GOING TO AMEND MY MOTION FOR
3:18:40PM SPECIFICS ON THE MOTION I MADE.
3:18:45PM SO I WILL DEFER TO THE CHAIR HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
3:18:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE COULD HAVE THEM SPEAK AT PUBLIC
3:18:51PM COMMENT OR -- EACH WORKSHOP HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC
3:18:55PM COMMENT, CORRECT?
3:18:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY YOUR RULES STATE TWO THINGS THAT
3:18:58PM ARE PERTINENT HERE.
3:18:59PM ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY PERSON
3:19:03PM PRESENT DURING THE WORKSHOP.
3:19:04PM THAT'S GENERALLY YOUR RULE.
3:19:05PM THE SECOND RULE IS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MATTER, WHICH
3:19:08PM IS THE SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP, IS UP TO A TOTAL OF 30
3:19:11PM MINUTES AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP AGENDA ITEM.
3:19:14PM AND THE WAY THAT IS STRUCTURED, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
3:19:18PM THE REASON YOU HAD DONE THAT IS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY THAN,
3:19:22PM EXTRAORDINARY WORKSHOPS, THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT STAFF'S
3:19:24PM POSITION IS OR THEY QUANTITY TO BE HEAR WHAT THE CITY'S
3:19:27PM POSITION WAS BEFORE THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON
3:19:28PM IT.
3:19:29PM NO OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
3:19:31PM WORKSHOP SHALL BE TAKEN DURING OR AFTER WORKSHOP UNLESS THE
3:19:34PM PUBLIC IS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT PRIOR TO FINAL
3:19:38PM ACTION.
3:19:40PM COUNCIL, IF THIS IS A VERY LENGTHY SUBJECT, THIS COULD THEN
3:19:44PM BE -- AND YOU ARE CONSTRAINED BY TIME, YOU CAN SHORTEN
3:19:48PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
3:19:49PM YOU CAN ASK THAT IT NOT BE REPETITIVE.
3:19:51PM YOU CAN CALL UPON THOSE PEOPLE WHO YOU WISH TO HAVE IN THE
3:19:53PM AUDIENCE, HOW WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
3:19:56PM THE CHAIR WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESIDE OVER THE
3:20:00PM MEETING AND SET TIME LIMITS AS COUNCIL SEES FIT.
3:20:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS 30 MINUTES, WE
3:20:06PM DON'T ALWAYS STICK BY THAT.
3:20:08PM IF IT'S AN HOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AT 45 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, I
3:20:11PM HAVE ALWAYS SEEN IT FLEXIBLE IN THE PAST.
3:20:15PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE MAYOR IS
3:20:17PM VERY INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT AND IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE
3:20:21PM PRESENTING SOME IDEAS THROUGH HER STAFF.
3:20:23PM BUT THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ALL OKAY THAT WHOEVER, WHATEVER
3:20:28PM EXPERTS WE MATE WANT TO WEIGH IN, WE'LL JUST HAVE THEM LINE
3:20:31PM UP WITH THE PUBLIC?
3:20:32PM WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS IF COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS TWO
3:20:38PM PEOPLE HE WANTS AND THEN THE CHAMBER GETS LEFT OUT, WHOEVER
3:20:41PM GETS LEFT OUT.
3:20:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THE
3:20:44PM OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
3:20:47PM THAT'S FINE WITHIN ME AS LONG AS EVERYBODY IS HEARD.
3:20:49PM THAT'S ALL.
3:20:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS SET ASIDE TIME
3:20:58PM THAT FROM 1:30 TO 3:30 TIME CERTAIN IS THE LAND USE WORKSHOP
3:21:02PM OF THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
3:21:06PM WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
3:21:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND THING I HAD WAS COUNCILMAN
3:21:13PM DINGFELDER SUGGESTED A WORKSHOP OR DISCUSSION ON CRA
3:21:17PM MANAGEMENT.
3:21:18PM AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE DIDN'T SCHEDULE THAT.
3:21:20PM CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND FIND A DATE FOR IT?
3:21:26PM THE CRA MEETING.
3:21:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHICH OUR CRA MEETING IS GOING TO BE
3:21:29PM NEXT THURSDAY.
3:21:30PM BUT THEN IN JULY, IT WOULD BE JULY 25th.
3:21:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
3:21:36PM SO WE HAVE TO BELABORING THAT DECISION.
3:21:38PM OKAY.
3:21:38PM ALSO, JUST TO THROW OUT ON THE TABLE, I HAVE GOTTEN E-MAILS
3:21:43PM AND CALLS ABOUT SCOOTERS THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE LAST
3:21:46PM MONTH.
3:21:46PM WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY.
3:21:49PM BUT I SUGGEST A MONTH FROM NOW OR TWO MONTHS FROM NOW THAT
3:21:52PM WE GET THE FOUR COMPANIES TO COME IN AND JUST TELL US WHAT
3:21:55PM THEY LEARNED AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO COMPLAINTS FROM THE
3:22:01PM PUBLIC.
3:22:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW REMEMBER, THIS IS BEFORE THIS NEW
3:22:04PM COUNCIL CAME IN, THERE IS A TERMINATION CLAUSE IN THE
3:22:07PM CONTRACT.
3:22:09PM AT THE END THERE IS AN OPTION.
3:22:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: BUT WHAT I PREFER BEFORE WE GET TO THAT
3:22:13PM POINT THAT WE GIVE FEEDBACK SO THEY CAN MODIFY WHAT THEY ARE
3:22:17PM DOING.
3:22:18PM IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO IT SOONER WE CAN.
3:22:20PM I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THEM, AND THEY SAID IT'S IN THEIR
3:22:23PM BEST INTEREST TO TRY TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS, AND I THINK THEY
3:22:26PM ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS.
3:22:27PM BUT SINCE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK IN THE HALLS ABOUT IT,
3:22:30PM I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
3:22:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE] I THOUGHT THAT THEY
3:22:39PM ALREADY HAD A PLAN, THAT THE SCOOTERS WOULD STOP BY
3:22:49PM THEMSELVES.
3:23:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: SO WHEN IT DIES ON THE RIVERWALK, THEY JUST
3:23:02PM LEAVE THEM ON THE RIVERWALK, SO PEOPLE ARE MAD BECAUSE
3:23:04PM THERE'S A PILE OF THEM ON THE RIVERWALK.
3:23:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY FRIEND AND I CAME DOWN LAST SUNDAY
3:23:10PM TO RIDE THEM, AND WHEN WE APPROACHED THE CASS STREET BRIDGE,
3:23:14PM IT SAID YOU ARE APPROACHING, GOING OUTSIDE THE GEO PATH AND
3:23:18PM IT SHUT DOWN.
3:23:19PM SO GOING TO JULIAN LANE.
3:23:24PM WHATEVER.
3:23:24PM WE WERE GOING TO YBOR CITY.
3:23:26PM HIS SCOOTER DIED.
3:23:27PM THE THING IS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BATTERY IT HAS UNTIL
3:23:29PM YOU PAY FOR IT AND ACTIVATE IT.
3:23:31PM THEY CHARGE A DOLLAR TO TURN IT ON.
3:23:33PM SO HIS SCOOTER DIED AND HE'S ROLLING DOWN FLORIDA AVENUE
3:23:36PM PUSHING DOWN MANUALLY.
3:23:39PM BUT I HAVE RECEIVED SOME E-MAILS, TOO, PEOPLE COMPLAINING
3:23:42PM ESPECIALLY ON BAYSHORE.
3:23:43PM AND THEN WITHIN YBOR CITY.
3:23:45PM BUT WITH WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY, GOING OVER PLATFORMS AND
3:23:52PM WHATNOT.
3:23:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW WE ARE ALL GIVING INDIVIDUAL
3:23:55PM FEEDBACK, BUT TO THE POINT THAT YOU ALL THINK WE SHOULD HAVE
3:23:58PM A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW THAT
3:24:01PM WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.
3:24:02PM BUT YOU ALL LET US KNOW.
3:24:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT, COME
3:24:07PM BACK IN A FEW MONTHS?
3:24:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:24:13PM >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING SOONER
3:24:15PM OR LATER?
3:24:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S FUNNY, IN MY LITTLE PILE OF MOTIONS,
3:24:21PM NUMBER 3, SAYS LET'S BRING IT BACK JUNE 27th.
3:24:25PM FOR STAFF REPORT.
3:24:26PM AND IF WE CAN GET VENDORS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
3:24:29PM AND I AM NOT TRYING TO KILL IT.
3:24:31PM BUT I SAW IT COMING.
3:24:34PM I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN IT IN OTHER CITIES.
3:24:36PM BUT MY WIFE AND I WERE IN LOS ANGELES LAST YEAR, AND I SAW
3:24:40PM THEM STREWN ACROSS THE SIDEWALKS.
3:24:42PM AND I SAID, OH, BOY, THAT'S GOING TO COME TO TAMPA.
3:24:45PM AND SURE ENOUGH, I SEE THEM STREWN ACROSS SIDEWALKS.
3:24:53PM THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS, IS JUST STREWN ON THE
3:24:57PM SIDEWALK.
3:24:57PM AND I AM NOT SAYING IT'S THE VENDORS' FAULT PER SE BECAUSE
3:25:01PM THE VENDOR DOESN'T WANT THEM STREWN ON THE SIDEWALKS.
3:25:05PM BUT IF THE USERS ARE JUST GOING TO BE DO IT UNTIL IT STOPS,
3:25:08PM AND INSTEAD OF AT LEAST POLITELY PUTTING IT ON THE SIDEWALK
3:25:11PM OF THE SIDEWALK, THEY JUST THAN INSTRUMENT IT IN THE MIDDLE
3:25:16PM OF THE SIDEWALK, THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT'S ONLY GOING
3:25:19PM TO BECOME A BIGGER PROBLEM.
3:25:22PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF THAT'S A MOTION I WILL SECOND IT.
3:25:23PM I WON'T BE HERE THAT DAY BUT I WILL SECOND THE MOTION.
3:25:27PM I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE
3:25:30PM PAYING ATTENTION, AND WE ARE NOT AGAINST IT.
3:25:32PM I THINK THE VENDORS ARE TRYING TO BE CORRECT THE PROBLEMS BE
3:25:38PM BUT NEED TO TELL US THE SOLUTIONS.
3:25:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
3:25:44PM WOULD THAT BE JEAN DUNCAN?
3:25:46PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RELEVANT STAFF.
3:25:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND VENDORS.
3:25:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OPEN INVITATION TO --
3:25:57PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHOEVER THE VENDORS ARE TO JOIN US, AND
3:25:59PM STAFF, JOIN US FOR SCOOTER DISCUSSION, AND CHARLIE, YOU
3:26:02PM MENTIONED ABOUT THE LOCATION FOR THE BAYSHORE, ET CETERA.
3:26:05PM THAT WOULD BE A TOPIC, AND ALSO THE SIDEWALK STRAWING WOULD
3:26:09PM BE A TOPIC AND WHATEVER ELSE.
3:26:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE] ALL IN FAVOR?
3:26:18PM OKAY.
3:26:20PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO MORE QUICK THINGS.
3:26:22PM IN THE PAST COUNCIL HAS PASSED RESOLUTIONS REGARDING CUBA,
3:26:25PM AND I BE KNOW MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN A PROPONENT
3:26:30PM OF EASING RESTRICTIONS.
3:26:32PM THE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST MADE COULD BE DEVASTATING FOE FOR
3:26:36PM OUR AREA.
3:26:36PM I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT I BRING BACK A DRAFT RESOLUTION
3:26:40PM NEXT WEEK.
3:26:41PM IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY BENIGN JUST TO SAY THAT WE DISAGREE
3:26:45PM WITH THE POLICY OF NOT ALLOWING AMERICAN CITIZENS TO TRAVEL
3:26:48PM TO CUBA.
3:26:50PM WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL ALL THE POLITICS OF IT.
3:26:53PM BUT TO ME, THE TRAVEL INTERNATIONALLY IS NOT GUARANTEED BY
3:26:56PM THE BILL OF RIGHTS, BUT TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF AMERICANS
3:26:59PM TO HELP BUILD LIFE FOR OTHERS SEEMS TO BE WRONG.
3:27:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:27:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, PLEASE.
3:27:16PM THANK YOU.
3:27:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SECOND IT.
3:27:19PM WHAT IS IT, A RESOLUTION?
3:27:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
3:27:27PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE YOU DRAFTING IT?
3:27:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WOULD BE A STATEMENT OF COUNCIL, AND IT
3:27:30PM WOULD BE MAJORITY RULES.
3:27:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, IF I CAN TAKE 30
3:27:38PM SECOND, THE AMBASSADOR FROM CUBA IS COMING IN A COUPLE OF
3:27:41PM WEEKS, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF US, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IN
3:27:46PM PARTICULAR, HAD SPENT LOTS OF TIMES TRYING TO BUILD
3:27:49PM RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING OPENING CUBA
3:27:58PM UP, AND TO SOME EXTENT WE WERE CAUGHT FLAT FOOTED, AND
3:28:00PM EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE U.S. RUSHED AHEAD OF US.
3:28:02PM THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS GIVES US AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS TO
3:28:05PM BE REBUILD OPPORTUNITY.
3:28:07PM AND WE CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT IT LATER.
3:28:10PM BUT AT THE VERY LEAST FINANCE WE COULD PASS TWO RESOLUTION
3:28:14PM SAYING WE DISAGREE WITH THE POLICY OF NOT ALLOWING AMERICAN
3:28:17PM CITIZENS TO GO TO CUBA, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD
3:28:20PM EITHER SEND TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND/OR WE CAN GIVE
3:28:23PM IT TO THE AMBASSADOR.
3:28:24PM THERE HAVE BEEN SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS IN THE PAST.
3:28:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
3:28:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU VOTE, I WILL HELP
3:28:34PM YOU WITH THE FORMATTING OF THAT RESOLUTION.
3:28:36PM AND IF YOU CAN, AS A COURTESY TO YOUR COLLEAGUES, IF YOU
3:28:41PM WOULD SEE THAT IT IS DISTRIBUTED PRIOR TO THAT NIGHT MEETING
3:28:44PM SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
3:28:48PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S BEST IF YOU DISTRIBUTE IT TO THEM.
3:28:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
3:28:51PM IF YOU PROVIDE ME THE DRAFT I WILL FORMAT IT AND I WILL SEE
3:28:54PM THAT COUNCIL HAS IT DISTRIBUTED TO THEM IN ADVANCE OF THE
3:28:58PM THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING.
3:28:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND BY
3:29:02PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:29:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE THING.
3:29:17PM >> YOU ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES.
3:29:20PM >> TO EVERYBODY WATCHING ON TV, IF THEY ARE STILL WATCHING,
3:29:23PM JUNE 12, 6:00 TO 8:00 P.M, THE MAYOR IS HOSTING THE MAYOR'S
3:29:25PM FORUM ON THE ARTS, THE LOVE OF THE ARTS.
3:29:32PM THERE WILL BE THE THREE PANELS PLUS PUBLIC INPUT ON THE
3:29:36PM ARTS.
3:29:36PM AND IT'S A FREE EVENT.
3:29:40PM THE PUBLIC WOULD GO TO TAMPAARTSFORUM.COM.
3:29:43PM THERE IS A LINK THAT WILL GIVE YOU A FREE TICKET, BUT YOU
3:29:45PM HAVE TO REGISTER.
3:29:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:29:52PM ANYTHING ELSE?
3:29:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S IT.
3:29:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOTHING.
3:30:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
3:30:00PM MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND A PREVIOUS MOTION I MADE ON
3:30:02PM MAY 16 2019, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
3:30:07PM VANESSA McCLEARY, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND MONICA
3:30:12PM MAINE, REAL ESTATE MANAGER ATTEND THE WORKSHOP ON JUNE 20,
3:30:16PM 2019, TO DISCUSS THE PLAN THE CITY HAS FOR LACK OF
3:30:18PM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALSO AS RELATES TO DISTRICT 5.
3:30:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:30:25PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:30:28PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:30:29PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT WAS THE DATE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT,
3:30:31PM SAME DATE?
3:30:36PM I THOUGHT YOU SAID JUNE 20th.
3:30:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE WORKSHOP.
3:30:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT WAS A MOTION.
3:30:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKSHOP.
3:30:53PM AND YOUR SAME DATE?
3:30:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK I SECONDED THE ORIGINAL MOTION A FEW
3:31:01PM WEEKS AGO.
3:31:01PM BUT I WAS JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE AGENDA.
3:31:04PM THAT WAS ALL.
3:31:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE
3:31:07PM SAME DATE.
3:31:09PM >> IT'S THE SAME EVENT.
3:31:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:31:14PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:31:16PM ALL RIGHT.
3:31:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, A MOTION TO PRESENT A
3:31:20PM COMMENDATION TO MR. JAMES WRIGHT FOR A DATE TO BE
3:31:23PM DETERMINED, JUNE 20th, I SEE WE HAVE A FUTURE DATE FOR
3:31:29PM ACCOMMODATIONS.
3:31:30PM IT WILL BE QUICK.
3:31:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR THAT?
3:31:40PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:31:42PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:31:43PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:31:44PM ALL RIGHT.
3:31:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE A
3:31:48PM COMMENDATION TO JANELLA, A WEST TAMPA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
3:31:51PM STUDENT, WHO WAS GIVEN THE CASTORS CARE AWARD IN
3:31:55PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR CARE AND CONCERN THAT SHE
3:31:57PM SHOWS TO OTHERS.
3:31:58PM SHE TAKES IT UPON HERSELF TO LOOK AT ANOTHER STUDENT WITH
3:32:02PM MEDICAL NEEDS EVERY DAY WHEN SHE GETS OFF THE SCHOOL BUS.
3:32:05PM I WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENT THIS TO JANELLA ON THURSDAY, JUNE
3:32:10PM 20, 2019.
3:32:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
3:32:13PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:32:14PM ALL RIGHT.
3:32:14PM ANYTHING ELSE?
3:32:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE TWO QUICK ONES.
3:32:20PM ON AUGUST 22ND, AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, I WOULD LIKE AN
3:32:24PM UPDATE FROM PARKS AND REC STAFF, AND MR. MANISCALCO, YOU
3:32:29PM SORT OF STARTED THIS, IN REGARD TO THE ANGUS GOSS POOL
3:32:37PM ISSUE.
3:32:40PM I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE PARKS AND REC IS IN TERMS OF
3:32:43PM STUDYING IT, ESTIMATES, COST ESTIMATES, POSSIBLE BUDGET
3:32:48PM OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS YEAR.
3:32:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT COULD BE IN THE BUDGET WHICH THE
3:32:53PM PRESENTATION COMES IN JULY.
3:32:56PM EITHER WAY.
3:32:58PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF IT'S THERE, GREAT.
3:32:59PM BUT AT A MINIMUM, IF WE WANT IT EARLIER WE COULD DO IT
3:33:03PM EARLIER.
3:33:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FINE.
3:33:04PM THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION IS AUGUST 1st.
3:33:07PM SO EITHER WAY.
3:33:09PM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:33:10PM WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
3:33:13PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:33:14PM ALL RIGHT.
3:33:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, AND ALSO, LET ME ADD ON TO WHAT WE
3:33:20PM VOTED ON.
3:33:21PM I MEANT TO INCLUDE THE LOPEZ POOL, BECAUSE -- (CELL PHONE
3:33:29PM RINGS)
3:33:30PM SORRY ABOUT THAT.
3:33:31PM ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AS WELL,
3:33:35PM THE LOPEZ POOL?
3:33:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BROUGHT UP BOTH, THE ONE ON SPRUCE
3:33:39PM AND McCLELLAND PARK.
3:33:41PM I KNOW ANGUS GOSS HAS THE COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER.
3:33:45PM BUT IT'S A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED AND ROBUST.
3:33:48PM BUT MY DISCUSSION, WHEN I ASKED ON MY OWN, WAS FOR BOTH.
3:33:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS LONG AS I HAVE THE MOTION PENDING AND
3:33:56PM THE REPORT COMING, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION JUST MADE A MINUTE
3:34:00PM AGO TO INCLUDE THE BALDOMERO LOPEZ POOL IN WEST TAMPA, ALSO
3:34:05PM TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE 8-22 STAFF REPORT SO THAT WOULD BE A
3:34:09PM SUPPLEMENT MOTION.
3:34:09PM >> SECOND.
3:34:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT AMENDMENT.
3:34:15PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:34:17PM ANYTHING ELSE?
3:34:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
3:34:20PM SO YEARS AGO, WE PASSED WHAT WE CALLED THE GREEN ORDINANCE,
3:34:24PM AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN TOUCHED EVER SINCE.
3:34:27PM THE GREEN ORDINANCE ADDRESSES SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES, WHAT
3:34:32PM THE CITY DOES INTERNALLY, WHAT SORT OF POTENTIAL INCENTIVES
3:34:37PM WE OFFER TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE MORE, QUOTE, GREEN,
3:34:41PM ET CETERA.
3:34:42PM I WOULD LIKE A REPORT, STAFF REPORT ON THAT ISSUE, SEPTEMBER
3:34:47PM 19th.
3:34:49PM THAT GIVES THEM PLENTY OF TIME.
3:34:51PM I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR HAS SPOKEN ABOUT,
3:34:55PM SUSTAINABILITY.
3:34:56PM THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND THE NATION
3:34:58PM HONOR HAVE EXTREMELY ACTIVE THAN PROGRAMS, SUSTAINABILITY
3:35:04PM PROGRAMS, SUSTAINABILITY OFFICERS, AND WE HAVE A
3:35:08PM SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER WHO HAS MANY, MANY OTHER HATS TO
3:35:12PM WEAR, YOU KNOW.
3:35:14PM I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER WHO ONLY
3:35:17PM DOES THAT 24/7.
3:35:20PM AT LEAST 40 HOURS A WEEK.
3:35:22PM SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A STAFF
3:35:25PM REPORT ON THE GREEN BUILDING ORDINANCE ON SUSTAINABILITY TO
3:35:31PM ADDRESS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SINCE THE GREEN ORDINANCE WAS
3:35:36PM ORIGINALLY ENACTED, AND WHERE WE ARE HEADED TO MAKE OUR
3:35:40PM COMMUNITY EVEN MORE GREEN IN THE YEARS TO COME.
3:35:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER,
3:35:45PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:35:47PM >> 9-19.
3:35:49PM IS THAT A GOOD DAY?
3:35:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
3:35:51PM WIDE OPEN.
3:35:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST SAY I TALKED TO THOM SNELLING
3:35:56PM ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND HE SAID THE
3:35:59PM MAYOR IS LOOKING TO TAKE THIS SUSTAINABILITY PLAN TO THE
3:36:01PM NEXT LEVEL, AND MAYBE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION, BUT DO YOU
3:36:05PM THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT TIME FOR THEM TO PUT IT TOGETHER?
3:36:09PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS THAT SHE HAS.
3:36:15PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
3:36:15PM I DID NOT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
3:36:19PM >>BILL CARLSON: HE SHOWED ME WHAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN AND
3:36:20PM UPDATED THE NUMBERS BUT SAYS SHE'S LOOKED AT IT AND SHE'S
3:36:24PM GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
3:36:26PM SO WE CAN ALWAYS MODIFY IT.
3:36:27PM LEAVE IT ON THIS DATE AND MODIFY IT IF THEY NEED MORE TIME.
3:36:31PM I THINK THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES
3:36:34PM THAT YOU RAISE.
3:36:37PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD.
3:36:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:36:39PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:36:41PM AND REAL QUICK, I WANT TO SAY, I KNOW OUR MEETINGS ARE GOING
3:36:44PM LONGER THAN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO BECAUSE A DIFFERENT
3:36:46PM COUNCIL.
3:36:47PM BUT I FEEL REALLY GOOD WITH THIS NEW BOND, WE ARE GETTING A
3:36:51PM LOT DONE.
3:36:52PM BECAUSE THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT
3:36:54PM UP.
3:36:55PM SO I'M EXCITED.
3:36:56PM THAT'S IT.
3:36:56PM CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
3:37:00PM >>THE CLERK: TWO MOTIONS THERE, CHAIR.
3:37:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION TO BE
3:37:11PM PRESENTED AND A DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
3:37:16PM NUMBER ONE.
3:37:17PM AND NUMBER TWO --
3:37:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:37:23PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:24PM ALL RIGHT.
3:37:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND IS A MOTION FROM MR. VIERA TO
3:37:27PM PLACE THE BUSCH BOULEVARD WORKSHOP ON AUGUST NIGHT AGENDA AS
3:37:31PM MANY WORKING PEOPLE ARE PLANNING TO ATTEND.
3:37:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:37:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OH, I'M SORRY.
3:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:47PM CAN I GET A MOTION?
3:37:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:37:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
3:37:52PM SECOND FROM DINGFELDER.
3:37:53PM ALL IN FAVOR?
3:37:54PM WE ARE ADJOURNED.
3:37:55PM THANK YOU.
3:37:55PM (MEETING ADJOURNED)
3:37:59PM
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