TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JUNE 6, 2019
9:00 A.M.
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[ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:03:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
CITY COUNCIL IS CALLED INTO SESSION.
WE BEGIN WITH THE INVOCATION.
I BELIEVE THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY TODAY OF COUNCILMAN
CITRO.
9:03:31AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A FRIEND OF MINE THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR
MANY, MANY YEARS, MS. SHARON STOLL.
SHARON HAS BEEN WORKING AND VOLUNTEERING AS A CERTIFIED HARP
PRACTITIONER SINCE 2001.
UTILIZING HER SOOTHING THERAPEUTIC MUSIC AT BEDSIDES IN THE
TAMPA BAY AREA WITH HOSPITALS AND ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS LIFE
PATH HOSPICE, TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, ST. JOSEPH'S HOSPITAL,
ST. JOSEPH'S WOMEN'S HOSPITAL, NURSING HOMES, ASSISTED
LIVING FACILITIES AND PRIVATE HOMES.
SHE IS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS OF THE INSTITUTE FOR
HEALING THROUGH SOUND AND MUSIC AND IS CURRENTLY THE
PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
ALSO A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL STANDARDS BOARD OF THERAPEUTIC
MUSICIANS, SHE HAS BEEN HONORED TO BE PART OF THE
STANDARDIZING BOARD OF ALL CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS FOR
THERAPEUTIC MUSICIANS.
A LONG-STANDING MEMBER OF ST. JOHNS EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN
TAMPA, SHE HAS SERVED ON THE VESTRY FOR 11 YEARS IN BOTH
ELECTED AND ASSIGNED POSITIONS.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME MY FRIEND MS. STOLL
TO GIVE THE INVOCATION.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE
OF ALLEGIANCE.
YOUR INVOCATION FIRST.
9:04:57AM >> MOST HEAVENLY FATHER, FATHER OF ALL TIME AND ETERNITY, WE
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US SAFELY HERE TODAY.
WE ASK FOR YOUR PRESENCE IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE
REMEMBER THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE US TODAY, ESPECIALLY
THOSE WE COMMEMORATE ON THE 75th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY.
THE GREATEST GENERATION, WE REMEMBER THOSE WHO LABORED NOT
FOR THEMSELVES ALONE, BUT WITH THE VISION OF BUILDING FOR
THE FUTURE A WORLD BETTER THAN THEY HAD KNOWN.
BE WITH EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEIR SUPPORT STAFF
DRAWING THEM CLOSE TO YOU AND EACH OTHER AS THEY LABOR ON TO
THEIR COMMON GOALS.
HELP THEM TO LOOK TO THE PAST WITH GRATITUDE AND TO THE
FUTURE WITH HOPE AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, RELEASE ALL FEARS
ENABLING THEM TO REACH FOR THE UNIMAGINABLES THAT THEY CAN
ACCOMPLISH AS THE UNITED BODY.
SHINE YOUR LIGHT ON THE PATH WITH CLARITY AND WISDOM SO THAT
THEY MAY FEEL YOUR MOST HOLY PRESENCE.
FILL THEM WITH INSPIRATION TO KNOW AND TO SEE THEIR VISION
SO THAT THEY MAY STRIVE FOR THINGS BEYOND THEMSELVES AND BE
DEDICATED TO HIGH PURPOSES AND GRAND HORIZONS.
AMEN.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:21AM >> MS. STOLL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE.
IN THE FUTURE, IF WE HAVE ANY LATE NIGHTS, CAN YOU PLEASE
COME AND PLAY YOUR HARP SO WE MAY BE SOOTHED DURING THOSE
LATE NIGHTS?
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:06:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:06:43AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.
9:06:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
9:06:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
9:06:49AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.
9:06:50AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
9:06:52AM >> CARLSON?
VIERA?
9:06:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.
OKAY.
WE BEGIN.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ANY IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NOW WE GO TO CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND/OR PRESENTATIONS.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ITEM NUMBER 1 IS GOING TO BE
REMOVED.
IS THAT CORRECT?
9:07:18AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT BRIEFLY.
OUR WONDERFUL ASSISTANT, CYNTHIA SARFF, THIS WEEK WAS HER
LAST WEEK, AND WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE HER A COMMENDATION,
BUT SHE IS A VERY MODEST PERSON.
SHE SAID I'M HITTING THE ROAD AND MOVING TO ILLINOIS.
WE'LL MISS HER.
SHE DID A GREAT JOB FOR 16 YEARS FOR MYSELF AND MS. CAPIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AND GOOD LUCK, CINDY.
9:07:44AM >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY WELL SAID.
CINDY IS A WONDERFUL PERSON WHO IS A TRUE PUBLIC SERVANT AND
A BIG SPORTS FAN.
WE'RE LOSING NOT ONLY A WONDERFUL LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT, BUT
I'M LOSING A DISTRICT 7 VOTER.
IF I MAY, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT?
9:08:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO MOVED.
9:08:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NOW, IF I MAY, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO PUT A MOTION TO HAVE A
COMMENDATION TODAY FOR MR. PERRICONE.
I'LL HAND THE GAVEL TO MR. MANISCALCO.
9:08:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM MR. VIERA, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR.
9:08:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, I'LL PROCEED.
9:08:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.
9:08:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE HERE TO GIVE A TAMPA
CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION ON THIS VERY SPECIAL DAY AS WE ALL
KNOW.
TODAY IS THE 75th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY.
FOR THIS, WE HAD BEEN TALKING WITH THE TAMPA BAY HISTORY
CENTER ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING HERE FOR A VERY SPECIAL
TAMPANIAN, MR. SAM GIBBONS, WHO WAS A D-DAY VETERAN AND
REPRESENTED US HERE IN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS FOR TAMPA
FOR 34 YEARS.
THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY.
IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT ALSO WE ARE HONORING A WORLD WAR II
VETERAN HERE TODAY.
MR. JOE ANGELO PERRICONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING, SIR.
IT IS A REAL HONOR TO HAVE YOU.
9:09:23AM >> IT'S A PLEASURE.
9:09:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU ARE A VERY HUMBLE MAN.
THIS VERY HUMBLE MAN IS HERE WITH HIS CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,
WHICH INCLUDES ANTHONY PALERMO, JUDGE TOM PALERMO, MS. ANA
MARIE PALERMO, SOME OF HIS GRANDCHILDREN AND THEN HIS
DAUGHTER, DELORES PERRICONE.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GIVE THIS FINE GENTLEMAN A TAMPA CITY
COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
SOME OF YOU ALL MAY HAVE READ ABOUT JOE'S STORY OR HEARD
ABOUT JOE'S STORY IN THE PAPER.
IT MADE CNN.
IT MADE NATIONAL MEDIA, WHICH IS ALWAYS INTERESTING.
FOR THIS GENTLEMAN, THE YEAR WAS 1943.
HE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL AT
HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL IN 1943.
HE WAS, I BELIEVE, 19 YEARS OLD AND WAS DRAFTED TO THE
UNITED STATES ARMY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT.
18 OR 19 YEARS OLD.
IMAGINE BEING AN 18 OR A 19-YEAR-OLD AND BEING SENT OFF TO
COMBAT IN EUROPE AND LITERALLY HAVING THE WEIGHT OF THE
WORLD AGAINST THE ACCESS POWERS ON YOUR SHOULDERS.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE-TIME YOUNG MAN FOUND.
WHEN YOU LEAVE HOME AND GO INTO COMBAT, WE CAN ALL ASSUME
THAT THERE'S A LOT OF REGRETS THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU HAVE REGRETS OF LEAVING YOUR FAMILY.
I KNOW YOU LEFT YOUR MOTHER.
YOU HAVE REGRETS OF LEAVING YOUR LOVED ONES, INCLUDING HIS
FIANCÉE, HOPE, WHO WOULD BECOME HIS WIFE OF 72 YEARS AND
COUNTING.
BUT ONE OF THE GREAT REGRETS THAT THIS MAN HAD WAS LEAVING
HOME WITHOUT WALKING AND GETTING HIS HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA.
AND IT WAS A REGRET THAT HE WOULD CARRY WITH HIM FOR MANY,
MANY YEARS.
JOE HERE WOULD GO ON TO SERVE IN EUROPE, AND HE WOULD GO ON
TO SERVE IN WORLD WAR II IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, FRANCE,
GERMANY, DENMARK, SWEDEN, AND BELGIUM.
AFTER HIS SERVICE IN WORLD WAR II, HE WOULD RETURN TO TAMPA.
HE WOULD RETURN TO MARRY HIS FIANCÉE, AND WOULD RETURN TO
REALLY BUILD A LEGACY, A WONDERFUL LEGACY THAT IS
REPRESENTED HERE TODAY, AND THESE FINE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE
TO HONOR THEIR FATHER AND THEIR GRANDFATHER.
HE WOULD GO ON TO DO A GREAT DEAL OF WORK, INCLUDING OWNING
PHILLIPS 66 GAS STATION AND WORKING AS A MECHANIK, OFTEN --
MECHANIC, OFTEN VERY, VERY DANGEROUS WORK.
INTENSIVE WORK, OFTEN WORKING WITH HIS HANDS.
THROUGH ALL THIS TIME, AND INCLUDING BUILDING A LEGACY WITH
HIS WIFE, HOPE, HIS FIANCÉE WHEN HE WAS SENT OFF TO WAR,
THAT WOULD INCLUDE SIX GREAT CHILDREN, FIVE GRANDCHILDREN,
AND THREE CHILDREN, DELORIS, JOE AND, DELIA, HE CONTINUED TO
ALWAYS CARRY WITH HIM THE BURDEN OF NOT GETTING HIS HIGH
SCHOOL DIPLOMA IN A GRADUATION CEREMONY, WHICH HE LEFT
BEHIND WHEN HE WOUND UP SERVING IN WORLD WAR II.
WELL, ALL OF HIS LIFE, THIS FINE MAN'S GRANDCHILDREN WOULD
HEAR ABOUT THAT.
THEY WOULD HEAR ABOUT THIS REGRET THAT HE HAD.
AND SO THEY SAW TO IT ABOUT, WHAT, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO OR
SO, TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT HE COULD ACTUALLY WALK AND GET HIS
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT 72, 75
YEARS AFTER THE FACT.
YOU KNOW.
[ APPLAUSE ]
THAT SHOWS A LOT OF STRENGTH.
THAT SHOWS A LOT OF DETERMINATION.
THAT SHOWS WHAT OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS CALL A LOT
OF CHUTZPAH.
AND HE DID IT.
WE'RE HONORING HIM WITH A CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
WE HAVE HIS WONDERFUL FAMILY HERE, INCLUDING, AND I SHOULD
HAVE ALSO INTRODUCED HIM AS JUDGE, JUDGE TOM PALERMO WHO WAS
RECENTLY APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR DESANTIS TO THE CIRCUIT
COURT, WHO IS HERE.
JOE, WE ARE HERE TODAY ON THE SPECIAL DAY.
IT IS THE 75th ANNIVERSARY OF D-DAY.
AND IT IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY FOR YOU, SIR, BECAUSE THE CITY
YOU WERE BORN IN.
THE CITY THAT YOUR WIFE WAS BORN IN.
THE CITY THAT YOU RAISED YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR
GRANDCHILDREN HONORS YOU TODAY FOR YOUR SERVICE AND FOR YOUR
DEDICATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, YOU MAY.
LET'S FIRST GIVE THIS FINE GENTLEMAN ANOTHER ROUND OF
APPLAUSE.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:13:20AM >> THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH THAT I CAN SAY.
THERE'S A HECK OF A LOT OF MEN THAT REALLY DESERVE TO BE
HERE, CAN'T BE HERE, BUT I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK
ABOUT THEM.
THEY DID THEIR JOB.
THAT'S A LOT OF MEN, GOOD MEN HURT, KILLED, ONE THING, THE
OTHER.
I NEVER CAME ACROSS ONE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO BE THERE.
I THINK THEY ALL DID A GREAT JOB, AND I PRAY TO GOD WE NEVER
HAVE ANOTHER ONE LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ABOUT IT.
9:14:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GOD BLESS YOU.
[ APPLAUSE ]
9:14:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY FROM THE DAY CITIES IN
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:14:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND
YOUR WONDERFUL FAMILY.
I KNOW THE JUDGE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU MENTIONED SAM GIBBONS.
YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH?
CAN YOU TURN THAT PERHAPS TO THE CAMERA.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK SHOUT-OUT TO -- YEAH, WHY
DON'T YOU BRING IT OVER THERE.
IT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL PHOTO.
I SAW IT YESTERDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME.
CONGRESSMAN SAM GIBBONS, AS WE KNOW, JUMPED INTO THE BACK
SIDE OF D-DAY AS A PARATROOPER, AND THEN SERVED OUR
COMMUNITY IN VARIOUS LEGISLATIVE CAPACITIES, INCLUDING, I
THINK, MORE THAN FOUR DECADES UP IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AS OUR
CONGRESSMAN.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY LIKE HIM WHO SERVED SO WELL, LIKE YOU,
MR. PERRICONE.
MODEST AND HUMBLE WAY.
AND MANY WE'VE LOST OVER THE YEARS, BUT WE NEVER FORGET ANY
OF YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU.
9:15:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE?
NO?
REAL QUICK.
SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SACRIFICE.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOT DRAFTED AND YOUR LIFE COMPLETELY CHANGED
AND YOU HAD TO PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD.
BUT YOU DID SO TO ESSENTIALLY SAVE THE WORLD.
THEY CALL YOU THE GREATEST GENERATION FOR A REASON.
IF IT WASN'T FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND THE SACRIFICES AND
SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY, WHO KNOWS, WE'D ALL BE SPEAKING
GERMAN.
I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE BRAVERY THAT YOU'VE SHOWN AND, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP,
ANYBODY THAT WAS OLDER, MY GRANDFATHER'S AGE, BECAUSE HE WAS
BORN IN '20, AND HE ALSO SERVED, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ALL
WORLD WAR II HEROES.
NOW, YOU'RE IN YOUR 90s.
YOU'RE OLDER.
SEEING SOMEONE FROM WORLD WAR II OR KOREA AS WELL, IT'S LIKE
SEEING A CELEBRITY.
MY FRIENDS AND I WENT OUT FOR COFFEE LAST NIGHT.
THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN WITH HIS SON.
HE HAD HIS HAT ON.
WORLD WAR II VETERAN.
YOU SHOULD SEE THE EXCITEMENT IN MY FRIENDS' FACES.
DO WE TALK TO HIM?
WHAT DO WE SAY?
TOMORROW IS THE D-DAY ANNIVERSARY.
YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THERE IS THE APPRECIATION.
I HOPE FOLKS AND I KNOW FOLKS KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF YOUR
GENERATION AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, AND THE
SACRIFICE MADE NOW 75 YEARS AGO, BUT WE THANK YOU.
YOU'RE A PROUD SON OF THIS COMMUNITY.
WE'RE DEFINITELY PROUD OF YOU.
AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US.
9:17:02AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, IN
THE BACK OF THE ROOM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
PROBABLY 17-YEAR-OLDS.
I HOPE THAT THEY NEVER FORGET THAT THEY MET A WORLD WAR II
VET, AND A PROUD HERO WHO WAS WILLING TO FACE EVIL ON BEHALF
OF THE FREEDOMS THAT WE HAVE.
AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SHAKE HANDS WITH THIS
WONDERFUL MAN.
THANK YOU.
9:17:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHTY.
WE WILL NOW GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE HAVE 30 MINUTES ALLOTTED FOR ANY MATTERS OTHER THAN
PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN AND STATE
YOUR NAME.
9:18:27AM >> GOOD MORNING.
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS DIANA KLINE.
I AM HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF OUR PREBORN NEIGHBORS WHO ARE
BEING MURDERED IN TAMPA UNDER YOUR WATCH AND JURISDICTION.
THERE'S OVER 200 BABIES MURDERED EVERY WEEK IN TAMPA,
FLORIDA.
WE NEED TO END THIS BLOODSHED.
IT'S MY DUTY AS A CHRISTIAN TO INFORM YOU OF GOD-ORDAINED
DUTY TO PRESERVE JUSTICE AND TO PUNISH EVIL.
ROE V. WADE IS NOT A LAW.
IT IS A FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED COURT OPINION THAT IS TO BE
COMPLETELY IGNORED.
GOD'S WORD TELLS US THAT WHEN THE SENTENCE AGAINST AN EVIL
DEED IS NOT EXECUTED SPEEDILY THAT THE HEART OF CHILDREN OF
MAN IS FULLY SET TO DO EVIL.
TRAGIC, WE HAVE CULTIVATED A CULTURE OF DEATH IN TAMPA AND
ACROSS THE NATION THAT NEEDS TO STOP.
WE ALL NEED TO HUMBLE OURSELVES AND PRAY AND SEEK GOD'S FACE
AND TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS AND THEN GOD WILL HEAR FROM
HEAVEN AND FORGIVE OUR SIN AND WILL HEAL OUR LAND.
GOD'S WORLD TELLS US THAT WE ARE ALL FEARFULLY AND
WONDERFULLY MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE AND THAT CHILDREN ARE A GIFT
FROM GOD AND THAT WE ARE TO OPEN OUR MOUTH FOR THE NEEDY AND
TO DEFEND THE FATHERLESS AND TO RESCUE THOSE TAKEN TO THE
SLAUGHTER.
ALL OF US MUST DO OUR PART IN LOVING, NURTURING AND
PROTECTING OUR FELLOW IMAGE BEARERS IN THE WOMB BECAUSE LOVE
BEGINS IN THE WOMB.
I WELCOME EACH OF YOU TO JOIN ME IN FRONT OF THE MURDER
MILLS IN TAMPA TO HELP RESCUE THE PREBORN FROM A BRUTAL
DEATH.
I INVITE PASTORS AND ANY OTHER PROFESSING CHRISTIAN IN THIS
COMMUNITY TO JOIN ME AS WELL IN FRONT OF THESE KILLING
CENTERS.
THERE'S LOTS OF RESOURCES FOR WOMEN WHO ARE WITH CHILD.
THERE'S LOTS OF HELP FOR THEM.
THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO MURDER A BABY IN THE WOMB.
AND YOU CAN COME SEE FOR YOURSELF JUST HOW HELPLESS THAT
THESE BABIES ARE AND COME OUT TO INTERPOSE ON THEIR BEHALF.
AND YOU CAN ALSO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE MISSIONARY WORK
THAT I DO AT LOVE THE PREBORN.COM.
THAT'S LOVE THE PREBORN.COM.
9:20:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.
9:20:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
CONNIE BURTON.
SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN IN
A NEWSPAPER IN OUR LOCAL PAPER THAT TALKED ABOUT THE
$3 BILLION PROJECT THAT IS BEING BUILT.
AND WE ARE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, I CONTINUE TO ECHO MY COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS
ABOUT EXPENDITURES AND MONIES BEING SET ASIDE FOR THAT
DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS MORNING IS
THAT IN THAT ARTICLE, IT TALKED ABOUT A FIND OF PEOPLE THAT
LIVED THERE WAY BEFORE THIS PROJECT WAS EVEN BEING THOUGHT
OF.
IN THE ARTICLE, IT TALKED ABOUT HOW A LEAK WAS MADE AND
THERE HAS BEEN DISCOVERY OF ARTIFACTS OF PEOPLE THAT ONCE
LIVED IN THIS AREA.
AND IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT HUMAN REMAINS.
IT TALKS ABOUT HOW A 71-PAGE REPORT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER,
BUT ONLY A FEW PEOPLE MADE PRIVY TO THAT.
AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE MAYOR, THE TAMPA BAY TIMES AND THE
PROJECT MANAGER.
NOW, IF WE ARE READING CLOSELY, WE KNOW THAT JEFF VINIK
LOANED THE TAMPA TIMES $12 MILLION.
IF WE ARE ONLY GETTING INFORMATION OUT BECAUSE IT WAS A
LEAK, THEN HOW WOULD WE KNOW ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO HOW
THOSE HUMAN REMAINS WILL BE DISPOSED OF?
THE ARTICLE LED THAT THOSE FROM THE SEMINOLE TRIBE, THEIR
PEOPLES' REMAINS WILL BE GIVEN BACK TO THEM FOR PROPER
BURIAL.
ONCE THERE WAS AN AFRICAN COMMUNITY DOWNTOWN IN AND AROUND
THE GARRISON.
IF THOSE BODIES, THE REMAINS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE THAT
OF THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO BE MADE AWARE OF IT.
WE DON'T WANT NO QUIET, SECRETLY DISPOSAL OF THEIR BODY IN
SOME UNKNOWN GRAVE.
SO A $3 BILLION PROJECT CAN PROCEED.
WE WOULD HOPE THAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD INTERVENE AND START
ASKING QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF SEEING THE REPORT, WHAT WAS THE
FINDING OF THE REPORT.
WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE DISPOSITION OF BODIES, OF
PEOPLE THAT ONCE HELPED BUILD WHAT WE KNOW TO BE TAMPA NOW,
THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME DIGNITY IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR
PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE A DECENT AND PROPER BURIAL
SITE.
THANK YOU.
9:23:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:23:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR ENLIGHTENING ME.
I WAS UNAWARE OF ANY POSSIBLE REMAINS AT ANY SITE THAT WE'RE
DOING DEVELOPMENT ON.
THAT CONCERNS ME IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A SITE THAT
DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PLACED AND POSSIBLE HUMAN REMAINS
THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNCIL HAS HEARD OF THIS BEFORE.
MR. SHELBY, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?
9:24:16AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I DO RECALL SEEING AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT,
SIR.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER.
9:24:21AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK WE MAY NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
WE'LL ASK FOR A REPORT FROM STAFF.
9:24:31AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN THE FORM OF A
MOTION?
9:24:35AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CITRO HAD SOMETHING.
9:24:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'LL PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION.
9:24:41AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WITH YOUR PERMISSION OF COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO
MAKE A MOTION, IF POSSIBLE.
I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION TAKE THE TIME --
TAKE THE TIME TO WORK WITH SBP AND THOSE AT THE CONSTRUCTION
SITE TO ENSURE THAT A PROPER EXAMINATION BE GIVEN TO THOSE
REMAINS AND THAT ALL PROCESS -- EXCUSE ME, ALL PROCESSES BE
EXHAUSTED TO IDENTIFY THE REMAINS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLY CAN BE
GIVEN AND GIVE A PROPER BURIAL TO THE BODIES FOUND.
9:25:08AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY AMENDMENTS?
9:25:11AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ASK FOR A REPORT BACK.
9:25:14AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REPORT BACK WOULD BE FINE.
I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT.
WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.
9:25:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE'LL PROBABLY NEED A DATE.
SO THAT WOULD BE -- WANT TO DO IT THE WEEK AFTER JULY 4th?
9:25:32AM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:25:34AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHAT IS OUR NEXT REGULAR SESSION?
JUNE 27?
9:25:42AM >> JULY 18.
9:25:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
JULY 18th, PLEASE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
NEXT, PLEASE.
9:25:56AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:26:03AM >> QUITE NATURALLY, METESMOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
QUITE NATURALLY, THE PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO BE MADE AWARE OF
ANYTHING GOING ON WITH THIS AND THE DEVELOPMENTS ABOUT THIS.
THE REALITY IS, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO BASIC, BROAD, GENERAL,
COMPLACENT, DISRESPECT.
600-YEAR-OLD DISRESPECT PEOPLE HAVE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
YOU SEE, WHITE PEOPLE CELEBRATING -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
CELEBRATING OR COMMEMORATING D-DAY, DEATH, WAR, CRIME, GORE,
ALL THAT OTHER NONSENSE.
AND WHAT YOU SEE, NOBODY, THEY TALK ABOUT AUSCHWITZ, THEY
TALK ABOUT THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED TO JEWS IN GERMANY, AND
NO ONE SPEAKS OF THE ATROCITIES, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF DEATH AND MURDER COMMITTED BY HITLER, MUSSOLINI
AND A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE.
FRANCE, BELGIUM, ENGLAND, U.S. AGAINST AFRICAN PEOPLE, RIGHT
IN AFRICA.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE SLAVE TRADERS YET.
RIGHT IN AFRICA.
RIGHT IN WORLD WAR II.
BUT ALL THE WHITE FOLKS ALL OVER THE WORLD RIGHT NOW TALKING
ABOUT D-DAY.
AND NORMANDY AND NORMANDY BEACH.
AND NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT THE AFRICAN.
NOT ONE SINGLE WORD, OTHER THAN 2,000 BIRACIAL CHILDREN IN
ENGLAND WHEREAS THE SOLDIERS WEREN'T ALLOWED TO MARRY THE
WHITE WOMEN AND WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
A DISRESPECT.
BUT IT'S A HATRED THAT PEOPLE HAVE FOR THIS COLOR SKIN.
IT'S A HATRED THEY HAVE FOR THIS LOOK.
IT'S A DISRESPECT.
IT'S A NATURAL DISRESPECT.
YOU CAN NATURALLY DO IT AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
COOL IS GOOD WITH EVERYBODY.
IT'S GOOD WITH DETECTIVE BAKER.
IT'S GOOD WITH BOB BUCKHORN CALLING AFRICAN WOMEN BLACK
BITCHES AND GOOD WITH BOB BUCKHORN CALLING FOR THE LYNCHING
OF AN AFRICAN MAN IN 2018.
IT'S GOOD WITH CHIEF DUGAN TO SEE AN AFRICAN MAN AND HIS
WIFE PHYSICALLY ATTACKED BY SOME AGGRESSIVE ANIMUS
STRANGERS, AND THEN WHAT THEY DO?
PUT THE CHARGES ON THE BLACK MAN.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE THEY CAN HAVE A SECRET REPORT.
IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL SAY WE'RE GOING TO
DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
BUT AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED SOMETHING MORE DONE THAN MOTIONS AND
MOTIONS.
STOP THAT PROJECT THAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE AND LET'S SEE
WHAT'S UP WITH THAT AND LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH DIGNITY FOR
ONCE IN THIS CITY'S HISTORY.
LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH DIGNITY IN RELATIONSHIP TO AFRICAN
PEOPLE.
9:29:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT, PLEASE.
9:29:04AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
GINA GRIMES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD HENDERSON.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS ITEM 49, WHICH IS JUST AN ITEM YOU'RE
SETTING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I REPRESENT ENTERPRISE RENT-A-CAR.
AND THEY ARE APPEALING A DECISION OF THE ZONING
ADMINISTRATOR WITH RESPECT TO A SITE DOWNTOWN.
AND THE ISSUE IS THAT THE HEARING IS NOT SET TILL SEPTEMBER.
AND THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE ENTERPRISE IS TRYING TO ENTER
INTO A LEASE FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY CARDI
PROPERTIES.
AND HAVING A THREE-MONTH DEAD PERIOD WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR
THE HEARING TO BE HEARD OR SET WOULD CREATE MAJOR ISSUES
WITH RESPECT TO THAT LEASE.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK IF YOU COULD SET IT FOR AN
EARLIER DATE.
I KNOW THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD A POLICY OF ONLY TWO REVIEW
HEARINGS PER COUNCIL MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WANT TO
CONSIDER REVISING OR UPDATING GIVEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
THESE KIND OF PROJECTS NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
THREE MONTHS IS A LONG TIME TO WAIT FOR A HEARING.
9:30:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:30:18AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE HAVE A POLICY OF TWO, THIS DOESN'T
SEEM PARTICULARLY COMPLICATED.
9:30:25AM >> IT'S NOT.
9:30:27AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DOUBT CONTROVERSIAL.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM MOVING IT UP.
DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVE DATE?
9:30:35AM >> AUGUST 1.
MOVE IT UP A MONTH EARLIER.
9:30:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
UNLESS THE CLERK HAS AN OBJECTION TO THAT
DATE, I WOULD MOVE TO MOVE THIS TO AUGUST 1st.
10:30 A.M.
9:30:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
9:30:52AM >> THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
9:30:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT PLEASE, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:31:03AM >> JOE ROBINSON, SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP.
I'M BACK.
YOUR HONEYMOON PERIOD IS OVER.
I AM NOW HERE TO SAY THAT THE NAACP IS CHECKING ALL
CONTRACTS, AND WE'RE GONNA BE TRACKING THIS $35 MILLION
DESIGN-BUILD APPROVED THAT THE CITY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT
MINORITIES AND DID NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN GUIDELINES.
IF YOU LOOK REAL QUICK, HERE IS THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, ITEM
30, EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY PROGRAM.
DOESN'T SAY MINORITY.
IT SAYS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
IT SAYS THE CITY WILL MAKE THIS LIST OF CONTRACTORS
AVAILABLE, DEMONSTRATE GOOD FAITH.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT ON THIS 35 MILLION, MR. DINGFELDER.
WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT.
JOE ROBINSON IS NOW INVESTIGATING.
IF I FIND ANYTHING CORRUPT, I'LL GO TO THE FBI.
I'M TELLING YOU STRAIGHT UP.
FIRST OF ALL, WHY DO WE HAVE ASPIRATIONAL GOALS IF WE HAVE A
DISPARITY STUDY AND WE KNOW THAT DISCRIMINATION EXISTS IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA?
9:31:55AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT YOU SAID
DINGFELDER AND THE FBI IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
WHEN YOU SAID DINGFELDER AND THE FBI IN THE SAME SENTENCE,
THAT WAS MERE COINCIDENCE, CORRECT?
9:32:07AM >> NO, I SAID DINGFELDER BECAUSE YOU HAD PULLED IT, BUT IT'S
NOT BEEN PULLED BACK, AND YOU ARE A STRONG ADVOCATE -- I
HEARD YOU GUYS DURING THE CAMPAIGN.
I SAID FBI BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF I FIND PUBLIC
CORRUPTION, I WILL EXPOSE IT.
OKAY?
I'M HERE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU HAVE BIG CONTRACTS LIKE THIS,
THERE IS SOME TYPE OF CORRUPTION, KICKBACK, FAVORITISM AND
ALL OF THAT.
I WANT IT STOPPED.
MY CLOCK IS TICKING.
I BRING TO EXHIBIT C.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THAT YOUR MINORITY BUSINESS DEPARTMENT
SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH GOALS.
THEY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE A GOAL.
THIS IS THE SO-CALLED GUIDELINE HERE.
THE SO-CALLED PROGRAM PROCEDURES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
ASPIRATIONAL GOAL JUST MEANS YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IT.
IF YOU DID A DISPARITY STUDY, YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO IT.
EVIDENCE THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE NOT HAD EQUITY OR
PARITY IN THE SYSTEM SO IT WAS CHANGED YEARS AGO.
THE OTHER THING, THE MINORITY BUSINESS OFFICE NEEDS TO
UPDATE THEIR STATEMENTS.
I'M MEETING WITH MR. GUDES MONDAY AND I WILL EXPLAIN ALL OF
THIS TO HIM IN PERSON OF WHY WE NEED TO TWEAK THE MINORITY
BUSINESS DEPARTMENT PROGRAM AND PROCEDURES AND WHAT ELSE
GOING ON AROUND HERE NONSENSE.
OKAY.
I DONE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, I JUST WENT THROUGH
RECERTIFICATION JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW
THEY'RE DOING IT AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
SO I'M NO FRIEND -- I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN REALLY NEED ANY
WORK AT THE CITY.
BUT I STAND UP AT THE NAACP.
YVETTE LOUIS HAS AUTHORIZED ME TO INVESTIGATE EVERY AGENCY
THERE IS AS FAR AS WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH MINORITIES,
SPECIFICALLY AFRICAN AMERICANS, SPECIFICALLY AFRICAN
AMERICANS WHO ARE NOT GETTING THEIR FAIR SHARE.
AND IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, WHY DID WE DO A DISPARITY STUDY AND
WHY DID WE UPDATE THE ORDINANCE AND TRIGGER, IN MY LAST 30
SECONDS, TRIGGER THE ACTUAL RACE CONSCIOUS PORTION OF IT IN
CERTAIN AREAS.
I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
35 MILLION DOLLAR, IN WEST TAMPA, MR. CITRO, IN WEST TAMPA.
SO LIKE I SAID, LET'S MONITOR THIS.
LET'S TAKE THIS SERIOUS AND LET'S MAKE THIS CONTRACT COMPLY
AND GET PEOPLE HIRED, ON THE SPOT.
AND QUIT PLAYING GAMES BECAUSE WE WILL BE TRACKING.
AND IF NOT, LIKE I SAID, THE FEDS WILL BE AROUND.
9:34:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT PLEASE.
9:34:27AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ROD HATCH.
1013 EAST PATTERSON STREET.
I UNDERSTAND TODAY YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING AT THE END OF THE
ITEM NUMBER 73, SKATE RAMPS AND BMS STRUCTURES TODAY.
I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING WHEN HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION.
THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NUMEROUS ORDINANCES REGARDING SPECIFIC
ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
ONE SUCH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT EXCEEDS
THE STANDARD SETBACK OF THREE FEET AND REQUIRES A FIVE FOOT
SETBACK.
THIS SAME ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ALSO REQUIRES THAT IF THIS
STRUCTURE IS AN IN-GROUND VERSION IT MAY NOT HAVE A DECK
AROUND IT HIGHER THAN 12 INCHES ABOVE THE EXISTING GRADE.
IF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS AN ABOVEGROUND VERSION IT MAY
NOT HAVE A DECK AROUND IT HIGHER THAN 36 INCHES ABOVE THE
EXISTING GRADE.
THESE ORDINANCES ARE MEANT TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY VALUES OF
THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
MY NEIGHBOR HAS BUILT, WHAT THE CITY ALSO DEEMED AN
ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON HIS PROPERTY THAT HAS AN ELEVATION
THREE FEET HIGHER THAN MINE, 700 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITH
FIVE-FOOT HIGH DECK AND TOTAL HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET HIGH TO
THE RAIL.
YET THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NO ORDINANCES PROTECTING THE
PROPERTY VALUES AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF ADJACENT
PROPERTIES.
TAMPA NEEDS TO ADOPT ORDINANCES ADDRESSING THESE SKATE BMX
RAMPS IMMEDIATELY.
ORDINANCES SUCH AS 50-FOOT FROM AN OCCUPIED RESIDENCE.
MINIMUM SETBACK OF 10 FEET ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ONE FOOT FOR
EACH FOOT HIGHER IN TOTAL HEIGHT OVER 36 INCHES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS 15 FEET HIGH.
WE NEED TO PUT SOME FAIL-SAFES IN THERE.
THE SETBACK MUST ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ELEVATION
OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
FOR INSTANCE, IF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, 36 INCHES LOWER,
36 INCHES NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS TO PLACE A
MORATORIUM ON THESE STRUCTURES OF ANY OPEN PERMIT CURRENTLY
APPLIED.
MY NEIGHBOR HAS REBUILT HIS HALF PIPE ONCE AGAIN, INVADING
MY PRIVACY, DECREASING THE MARKETABILITY OF MY HOME AND
CONTINUING TO DAMAGE MY PROPERTY AS HIS RAINWATER RUNOFF
FROM THE STRUCTURE DEGRADES HIS RETAINING WALL FORCING MY
NINE-FOOT FENCE TO LEAN.
HE HAS NOT YET HAD HIS FINAL INSPECTION, BUT THIS STRUCTURE
CANNOT BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
30 MORE SECONDS.
MY NEIGHBOR WITH THE SKATE RAMP HAS BEEN TRAVELING FOR
BUSINESS THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND HAS BEEN HAVING SOMEONE LET
HIS DOG OUT.
YESTERDAY AT APPROXIMATELY 9:30 A.M., THIS INDIVIDUAL
LETTING THE DOG OUT WAS STANDING ON THE DECK OF THE
STRUCTURE WAVING AT ME, LOOKING DIRECTLY IN MY WINDOW.
OF MY HOME OVER MY NINE-FOOT HIGH PRIVACY FENCING TAUNTING
ME.
HE THEN SKATED AND I RECORDED DECIBELS AS HIGH AS 73.
I CALLED THE POLICE AND FILED ANOTHER REPORT.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
9:37:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT, PLEASE.
9:37:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JOHN MALL.
I'M A WATER HARVESTING HOMESTEADER, 4104 NORTH GLEN AVENUE,
TAMPA, FLORIDA.
I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MITIGATION CREDIT FOR STORMWATER.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET.
I'VE BEEN STONEWALLED SINCE 2015 WHEN THE CITY WENT OUT AND
GOT A $250 MILLION BOND.
I'VE TAKEN THIS TO HEART.
I WENT TO HOW TO REDUCE STORMWATER AT YOUR HOME.
THEY GAVE ME 12 WAYS TO DO IT.
I WISH I HAD DONE ALL 12 OF THEM, SO THERE'S NO RUNOFF FROM
MY PROPERTY AT ALL, YET THE CITY REFUSES TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
I DON'T USE ANY CITY WATER AT ALL.
YOU CAN SEE I'M ZEROED OUT.
I DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE WATER FROM THE CITY BECAUSE I USE
THE RAINWATER THAT I COLLECT.
I COLLECT ABOUT 500,000 GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR THAT I LET
PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND OR STORE IT IN MY CISTERN.
I GOT A LETTER FROM JOE GRECO.
I CAN JUST READ IT.
THERE ARE APPARENTLY FOUR TIERS YOU HAVE NOW.
SMALL, MEDIUM, LARGE, AND EXTRA LARGE FOR CALCULATING HOW
MUCH YOU CHARGE PEOPLE FOR RUNOFF.
BUT THERE IS NO TIER FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAS HARVESTED ALL THE
RAINWATER AND DOESN'T HAVE THE RUNOFF AT ALL EXCEPT WITH
MITIGATION OF 100% AND THAT SEEMS TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO
ACHIEVE WITH THE CITY.
THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WAS REFERRED TO JAN McLEAN,
AND IN FOLLOW-UP MEETING BETWEEN YOUR CLIENTS, THE CITY
STAFF LAST WEEK, THE CITY ACCEPTS THE SUBMITTAL OF THE
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED AS SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE
LAST REQUEST FROM MR. AND MRS. MALL FOR MITIGATION CREDIT.
AS WAS DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING, THE CITY DOES NOT AGREE
THAT THE ITEMS THAT MR. MALL HAS INSTALLED ON HIS PROPERTY
WOULD PROVIDE THE NECESSARY RETENTION OF STORM EVENT.
THIS IS ONE OF MY WATER HARVESTING DEVICES.
I SET THAT IN THE YARD, AND THE RAIN GOES IN THERE.
I LOOK IN THERE AND SEE HOW MUCH -- HOW DOES WATER GET OUT
OF HERE AND FLOW INTO THE STREET?
I BET I CAN'T GET THE CITY TO SAY THAT THE WATER WON'T COME
OUT OF HERE, FLOW UPHILL, AND GO INTO THE STREET.
IT'S CONTAINED.
9:40:50AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:40:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, SIR.
BY COINCIDENCE, I WAS MEETING WITH MS. McLEAN YESTERDAY
AND SHE AND I DISCUSSED YOUR SITUATION.
SO YOU HAD AN IMPACT.
9:41:06AM >> I'M TRYING.
9:41:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, YES, SIR.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING A LOT OF WORK AND EFFORT
INTO REDUCING THE STORMWATER IN THE AREA THAT YOU LIVE.
PERHAPS IF EVERYBODY DID THAT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SPEND AS
MUCH TOTAL MONEY AS WE DO.
MAYBE YOU COULD SEND SOME OF THAT WATER BACK INTO THE
RESERVOIR AND WE CAN CURE SOME OTHER PROBLEMS.
ANYWAY, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND MS. McLEAN AND THE CITY
STORMWATER STAFF TO CAREFULLY REVIEW YOUR SITUATION, MEET
WITH YOU AGAIN, MAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS THEY CAN TO YOU.
IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE SATISFYING THE EXCEPTION,
THEN THEY NEED TO SPELL OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO SATISFY
THE EXCEPTION.
PERHAPS NOT HAVE YOU CHASING YOUR TAIL, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU'RE CHASING YOUR TAIL A BIT.
9:42:07AM >> I'M SAVING RAINWATER.
9:42:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REVISIT THIS, IF
POSSIBLE, MEET WITH YOU AGAIN, AND COME BACK AND REPORT TO
US PERHAPS IN JULY.
WHAT WOULD THE DATE BE?
JULY 18th, SAME TIME.
9:42:34AM >> I INVITE YOU ALL TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT
WATER HARVESTING CAN DO.
I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL RAIN GARDEN OUT THERE JUST USING
RAINWATER, IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT AND TAKE A
LOOK.
I'LL SHOW YOU AROUND.
9:42:49AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
SO THE MOTION IS TO COME BACK JULY 18th AT WHAT TIME,
MR. SHELBY?
9:42:55AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
STAFF REPORTS.
DURING STAFF REPORT.
9:43:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MS. McLEAN, WE DO HAVE A LONG AGENDA
THIS MORNING SO I DON'T WANT TO GET WRAPPED UP INTO THIS
TODAY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, JUST COME BACK AND TELL US
WHAT'S UP.
THANK YOU.
9:43:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
9:43:26AM >> GOOD MORNING, PATRICIA MALIN.
4104 GLEN AVENUE.
I HADN'T INTENDED TO SPEAK THIS MORNING, BUT THEN WHEN
YOU'RE RECOGNIZING SAM GIBBONS, WHO WAS CERTAINLY A VALUE TO
OUR COMMUNITY AND THE OTHER GENTLEMAN THAT WE HONORED THIS
MORNING FOR THE MEN WHO WENT ON -- WHO DIED ON D-DAY, I
WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME OTHER NAMES TO HONOR.
THEY ARE THE MEN WHO STAYED BEHIND IN TAMPA AND BUILT THE
SHIPS, LIKE MY FATHER, HUGH HAMPTON BURKE AND HIS BROTHER
JAMES BURKE.
THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF MEN IN TAMPA WHO WERE BUILDING THE
SHIPS THAT ALLOWED THE MEN TO GET TO THE BEACHES ON D-DAY.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HONOR THEM TODAY.
THANK YOU.
9:44:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WELL SAID.
ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
OKAY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE, IF I MAY, WE HAVE THE
MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS HERE.
WE ALWAYS HAVE THE NICE YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN COME FORWARD AND
BRIEFLY STATE YOUR NAME AND WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO.
WHY DON'T YOU COME FORWARD, AS IS OUR TRADITION AND LOVE TO
HEAR FROM YOU GUYS AS TO WHAT YOUR NAME IS AND THE SCHOOL
YOU'RE FROM.
9:44:58AM >> JAKE NAIR, RISING SENIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
9:45:02AM >> HI.
ARLEY REUBIN.
RISING SOPHOMORE AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:08AM >> ALEX REUBIN.
I'M A RISING SENIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:14AM >> HI.
I'M ISABEL MACHATO.
RISING SOPHOMORE AT THE ACADEMY OF HOLY NAMES.
9:45:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M BLAIR BRADDOCK, A RISING JUNIOR AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:29AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M ELIZABETH PAPARRO, A RISING JUNIOR AT THE ACADEMY OF THE
HOLY NAMES.
9:45:36AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M NUDANE.
A RISING JUNIOR AT ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:41AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M GABBY JONES.
I'M A RISING SOPHOMORE AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:48AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS AIYANA.
I'M A RISING SENIOR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:45:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS SARAH JENKINS.
I'M A RISING SENIOR.
9:46:03AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I AM NATALIE MEDINA.
A RISING SOPHOMORE AT BLAKE HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS CHRIS DIRKS.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:17AM >> HELLO.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT PLANT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:23AM >> HI.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT BROOKS DeBARTOLO.
9:46:28AM >> HI.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
9:46:34AM >> HI.
JORDAN.
I'M A RISING SENIOR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:39AM >> HELLO.
GOOD MORNING.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT CHAMBERLAIN HIGH SCHOOL.
9:46:46AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M A RISING SENIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
MY NAME IS ANTHONY.
9:46:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS JEWELS ENGLISH.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:00AM >> HI.
ANA CHANG, RISING SENIOR AT KING HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:07AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT TAMPA PREP.
9:47:12AM >> HELLO.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:18AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ANEESHA.
RISING JUNIOR.
9:47:24AM >> HELLO.
JACK.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS AIDEN BENNETT.
I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT HILLSBOROUGH HIGH SCHOOL.
9:47:34AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS SKY.
I'M A RISING SENIOR AT BROOKS DeBARTOLO.
9:47:42AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS LAUREN MIRANDA.
I'M GOING TO BE A JUNIOR AT BROOKS DeBARTOLO.
9:47:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
9:47:53AM >> [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME.
I'M PROUD TO SAY THREE JEFFERSONIANS.
GO DRAGONS.
9:48:03AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCIL?
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
THIS IS AN INVALUABLE EXPERIENCE, AND CHOOSE WISELY WHAT YOU
DO IN YOUR FORTHCOMING YEARS.
THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
NEXT, ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR
RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
THERE BEING NONE, WE MOVE ONWARD TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IF I'M CORRECT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ONLY ITEMS WE
HAVE PULLED SO FAR ARE 40 AND 43, IS THAT CORRECT?
9:48:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, YES.
UP UNTIL YESTERDAY I STILL HAD QUESTIONS ON VARIOUS OTHER
ITEMS.
I APPRECIATE YOU INCLUDING THOSE, BUT, YEAH, I'D STILL LIKE
REMAINING TO PULL 40 AND 43.
THEN IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING 67, 68, AND 69 ARE ALREADY GOING
TO BE STAFF REPORTS ANYWAY.
SO NO NEED TO PULL THOSE.
9:48:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE'LL OMIT THOSE.
FIRST, WE MOVE TO PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, MR. CITRO.
9:49:01AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 3 THROUGH 5.
9:49:08AM >>THE CLERK:
MR. CHAIR, DO YOU WISH TO DO ITEM NUMBER 2?
9:49:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
LET'S HOLD ON THAT.
WE HAVE NUMBER 2, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU COULD TAKE
THAT ONE, SIR.
9:49:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE
NUMBER 2019-48, ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
TAMPA ON MARCH 21, 2019 TO CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR,
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
9:49:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
9:49:45AM >>THE CLERK:
MR. CHAIR, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE
HELD ON JUNE 27th, 2019 AT 9:30 A.M.
AND MR. CARLSON WAS ABSENT.
9:49:55AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
OKAY, NOW WE MOVE TO COMMITTEES, MR. CITRO.
9:49:59AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 3 THROUGH 5.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED.
NEXT, PARKS, RECREATION, CULTURAL COMMITTEE.
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:50:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 6 THROUGH 8.
9:50:17AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NEXT, PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:50:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ON ITEM 10, WHICH IS A
SINGLE-SOURCE, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ONE, MR. CARLSON POINTED
OUT, WE SHOULD GIVE GOOD SCRUTINY TO SINGLE SOURCES, AND I'M
SURE WE ALL AGREE.
$742,000 FOR LIQUID COPPER SULFATE.
AS ALL OF OUR YOUNG STUDENTS HERE, MANY OF WHICH HAVE TAKEN
CHEMISTRY, WE USE THE COPPER SULFATE TO PUT IT INTO THE
RESERVOIR AND IT DROPS OUT SOME OF THE SOLIDS SO IT MAKES
THE WATER CLEANER AS IT GOES INTO THE PROCESS.
ANYWAY, MY QUESTION TO OUR STAFF WAS, WHY IS COPPER SULFATE
A SINGLE SOURCE?
IT'S JUST A CHEMICAL.
BUT APPARENTLY THERE IS SOME SORT OF PROPRIETARY SPECIAL
TYPE OF COPPER SULFATE WE USE THAT MAKES THE PROCESS MORE
EFFICIENT AND THE CHEMISTS CAME AND EXPLAINED THAT TO ME
YESTERDAY.
I'M SATISFIED.
WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE ITEMS 9 THROUGH 13.
9:51:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
NEXT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:51:34AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK ITEM 15 WAS PULLED
BY MR. DINGFELDER, AM I CORRECT?
9:51:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
PREVIOUSLY.
I'VE WAIVED THAT NOW.
9:51:42AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
ALL RIGHT.
WE MOVE ITEMS 14 THROUGH 17.
9:51:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
AND THEN NEXT WE WILL GO TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR
BUILDING, ZONING AND PRESERVATION COMMITTEE.
9:51:58AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE ITEMS 18 THROUGH 39.
9:52:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
9:52:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IS THAT WITH THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTIONS,
MADAM CLERK, 35, 36, 37?
9:52:17AM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
9:52:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ON THE ATTACHMENTS.
THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION THEN.
THANK YOU.
9:52:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT, WE MOVE TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR
TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
9:52:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I MOVE ITEMS 41 AND 42 SINCE 40 AND 43 WERE PULLED.
9:52:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEMS BEING SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING BY
COUNCIL TO ITEM 44, DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS FOR 44 THROUGH
48?
9:52:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION TO SET THE PUBLIC
HEARING FOR AUGUST 22, 9:30 A.M.
9:52:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IS THAT FOR ITEMS UP TO 48, I ASSUME.
9:52:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, THEREFORE, I'D LIKE TO CORRECT THAT
AND MOVE ITEMS 44 THROUGH 49, BUT I BELIEVE -- WAIT A
MINUTE, MS. GRIMES -- 49 ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.
I MOVE ITEMS 44 THROUGH 48, RESOLUTIONS TO SET THE PUBLIC
HEARINGS.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALL ON THE SAME DATE, AUGUST 22, 2019,
9:30 A.M.
9:53:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY, NEXT MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR 9:30.
9:53:29AM >> MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
9:53:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO?
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
WE MOVE FORWARD TO ITEM 50.
9:53:45AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
I'M RON VILA.
I'M STAFF OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
THIS MORNING, WE ARE REVIEWING AN AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION
FOR THE ADDRESS OF 1915 AVENIDA REPUBLICA DE CUBA, WHICH IS
LOCATED WITHIN THE YBOR CITY LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS
CURRENTLY OWNED BY YBOR VARADERO, LLC.
THIS IS A CURRENT PHOTO THAT WE HAVE HERE.
SO THE STRUCTURE ON THE CORNER OF 9TH AVENUE AND AVENIDA
REPUBLICA DE CUBA.
THIS BUILDING HAD A PRIOR LIFE.
LITTLE HISTORY ON THE BUILDING.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1895.
IT WAS KNOWN AT THAT TIME AS LaCASA MANARA.
THEN IT CHANGED THE NAME IN THE '30s TO GONZALEZ CLINIC.
THEN AFTER THAT MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS THE DON VICENTE
HISTORIC HOTEL.
TWO-STORY BUILDING WITH TWIN BALCONIES AND AWNINGS THAT
PROJECT FROM THE FRONT FACADE IN THE EARLY 1900s PHOTO.
WHILE OPERATING AS CASA MANARA, THE BUILDING HOUSED ON THE
GROUND FLOOR A DRUGSTORE AND FURNITURE STORE AS WELL AND
THEN RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.
WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO DIFFERENT MAPS AND HISTORIC
DOCUMENTATION.
THIS IS FROM THE SANBORN MAP.
THIS IS SHOWING THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE STRUCTURE.
IT HAS A WRAPAROUND BALCONY THAT RELATES BACK TO THIS
EARLIER PHOTO.
AND THEN IT HAS THE USES AS WELL.
WE KNOW IT HAD A FURNITURE STORE, DRUGSTORE AND THEN
RESIDENTIAL ON TOP.
THE BUILDING FIRST BECAME A HOSPITAL IN 1903.
AFTER 1903, THE BUILDING TOOK ON SOME RENOVATIONS.
THIS IS FROM THE '70s A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL FABRIC IN THE
EXTERIOR WAS LOST.
1939, IT BECAME THE GONZALEZ CLINIC.
BY PAYING A SMALL WEEKLY FEE, MEMBERS RECEIVED MEDICAL
TREATMENT.
THE CLINIC HAD A LONG ASSOCIATION WITH THE CUBAN CLUB AND
STILL IN EXISTENCE UNTIL 1973.
AND THEN IN 1999, THE BUILDING BECAME A BOUTIQUE HOTEL,
WHICH WAS THE DON VICENTE INN AND CONTINUED INTO 2005 UNTIL
THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE IT UNDER OWNERSHIP NOW.
NOW IT'S A SECURITY FIRM TAKES UP MOST OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE
IN THE INSIDE.
THIS IS MOVING TO THE AD VALOREM.
THIS IS PRIOR TO REHABILITATION.
THE BUILDING WAS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
THERE WAS WATER INTRUSION AND CRACKS IN THE STUCCO IN THE
EXTERIOR.
THIS IS AFTER REHABILITATION.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING STAYED THE SAME.
THEY TIGHTENED UP THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WITH THE
STUCCO AND THE WINDOWS, MOVING TO THE REAR ELEVATION, PRETTY
MUCH THE SAME.
THE BUILDING HAD MINOR DEFICIENCIES, AND THROUGH THE
REHABILITATION TO RECEIVE THE AD VALOREM ONCE AGAIN, THE
BACK HAD SOME ATTENTION TO DETAIL TO IT.
STOPPED THE WATER INTRUSION, INCORPORATED A LIFT IN THE REAR
FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY.
YOU SEE THE HANDICAP SPOTS IN THE REAR OFF THE SURFACE
PARKING.
MOVING TO THE REAR AREA AS WELL, THERE WAS JUST A CONCRETE
DECK AS YOU WOULD ENTER INTO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE NEW OWNERS INCORPORATED A CUBAN TILE THAT WOULD BE
PERIOD APPROPRIATE TO THIS STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE.
AND THEN LASTLY ON THE EXTERIOR, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE
LOWER PORTION, THE INCORPORATION OF WINDOWS FOR THE INTERNAL
CIRCULATION IN THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO THEY BROUGHT IN WINDOWS TO MATCH THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT
WERE THERE.
INTRODUCE THE SILL, SO IT IS A SEAMLESS ADDITION TO THE
STRUCTURE IN HAND.
MOVING TO THE INTERIOR, IT HAS A GRAND SPACE WITH HIGH
CEILINGS INSIDE.
IT HAS THE CEREMONIAL STAIRS, AND THEN YOU SEE THE CONDITION
OF THE WOOD FLOORING.
THE WOOD FLOORING WAS KEPT.
INTRODUCTION OF MORE PERIOD-APPROPRIATE LIGHTING, THE
SCHOOLHOUSE LIGHTING.
THE WAINSCOTTING WAS LEFT AS WELL.
HERE YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS THAT WERE IN PLACE.
THEY WERE CLEANED AND REUSED.
ON THE FIRST FLOOR, SOME OF THE DETERIORATION UPON TAKING
THIS JOB TO MOVE FORWARD.
WITH THE LOWER WAINSCOTTING AFTER REHABILITATION.
THIS IS THE STAIRS LEADING DOWN TO THE BASEMENT.
AND INCORPORATING SOME SENSITIVITY AND SOME GUILDING ON THE
RAILINGS.
AND THEN LASTLY, JUST TO CONCLUDE WITH SOME SHOTS ON THE
UPPER FLOOR.
THESE WERE MULTIPLE ROOMS FOR THE HOTEL WHERE THE DEMISING
WALLS WERE REMOVED TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE AND FOR THE
EMPLOYEES TO GATHER.
THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE ROOMS THAT SHOW THE FRENCH DOORS
LEADING OUT TO THE JULIET BALCONIES AND THE TRIM AROUND
THERE.
THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR
STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
9:59:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:59:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, JUST A COMMENT.
AND THIS IS COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.
I KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO HAUNTED PLACES IN
TAMPA.
I NEVER HAD REALLY ANY EXPERIENCES LIKE IN THE TAMPA THEATRE
OR THE CUBAN CLUB, THE TRADITIONAL PLACES.
I WENT INTO THE BASEMENT OF THIS BUILDING ABOUT TEN YEARS
AGO.
I TAKE A LOT OF PICTURES.
I'VE PROBABLY TAKEN 50,000 PICTURES IN MY LIFE.
I TOOK A BUNCH OF PICTURES IN THE BASEMENT, COMPLETELY
EMPTY.
THERE ARE ORBS.
THERE'S WEIRD STUFF IN ALL OF THE PHOTOS.
MY FRIENDS HAVE STAYED THERE.
WEIRD THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.
JUST THIS MORNING ON my Facebook, A LADY POSTED A PICTURE
OF HER HUSBAND STANDING IN THE STAIRCASE, AND IN THE MIRROR,
THERE IS A PICTURE OF A LADY IN LIKE VICTORIAN ERA CLOTHES.
REALLY WEIRD, SO IF YOU'RE INTO THAT STUFF, GO TO THE
BASEMENT.
I THINK IT USED TO BE THE MORGUE.
PAUL GUZZO WITH THE TIMES KNOWS THE STORY, I THINK.
IT USED TO BE THE CREMATORIUM DOWNSTAIRS, AND THERE WERE
MURDERS AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
IT IS A CREEPY PLACE.
I LOVE THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF DOWN THERE.
10:00:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND THEN COUNCILMAN
MIRANDA.
10:00:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AS THEY SAID IN GHOSTBUSTERS, "WE'RE HERE
TO BELIEVE YOU."
MR. VILA, JUST FOR THE GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AS RELATED TO ALL
THESE PROGRAMS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THESE FOLKS HAVE DONE A
FINE JOB.
THE PRIOR OWNERS DID A GOOD JOB OF GETTING IT CLOSE AND
THESE FOLKS TOOK IT OVER THE GOAL LINE.
BUT IN REGARD TO THE PROGRAM ITSELF, IT IS A TAX EXEMPTION,
HOW LONG DOES THAT EXEMPTION LAST?
IS THAT JUST FOR LOCAL TAXES OR DOES THAT ALSO HELP THEM
WITH THEIR FEDERAL TAXES?
10:01:10AM >> IT'S A DIFFERENT PROGRAM.
THE AD VALOREM IS A LOCAL TAX.
THE PROPERTY APPRAISER GOES OUT THERE PRIOR TO
REHABILITATION AND WHATEVER THE ASSESSMENT OF THE STRUCTURE
IS AT THAT TIME IS THE NUMBER THAT'S AFFIXED TO THE
STRUCTURE.
AFTER REHABILITATION, IT STAYS THE SAME, AND IT IS A
TEN-YEAR WINDOW THAT THEY SAVE ON THE EXEMPTION.
10:01:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT IS A NICE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS FOR ANY
PROPERTY OWNER TO GO INTO THIS PROGRAM.
10:01:32AM >> AS I STATED, IT IS A PRESERVATION TOOL.
IT'S AN ELECTIVE PROGRAM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ENGAGE INTO IT.
BUT IF YOU ENGAGE INTO THE PROGRAM, THEN WE LOOK AT THE
EXTERIOR AND THE INTERIOR AND WE USE THE SECRETARY OF
INTERIOR STANDARDS TO REVIEW THE PROGRAM.
10:01:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THEN I WOULD IMAGINE, YOU MENTION IT'S
ANOTHER PROGRAM WOULD BE THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS AND THE TAX
CREDITS.
BUT DOING THIS TYPE OF WORK WOULD GET THEM WELL ON THEIR WAY
TO THE FEDERAL PROGRAM AS WELL.
10:01:59AM >> THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT, YES, SIR.
10:02:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JUST ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING, I WANT TO
ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO BOTH THE LOCAL AND THE FEDERAL PROGRAM.
THANK YOU, RON.
10:02:07AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:02:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
AS MR. MANISCALCO WAS SPEAKING, THIS BUILDING, FURNITURE
STORE, RENTAL PROPERTY, HOTEL, HOSPITAL IN 1939, SOMETIMES
YOU WONDER WHERE YOU COME FROM AND YOUR GENETICS, ABOUT YOUR
PARENTS, HOW YOU MAKE UP YOUR PERSONALITIES.
AFTER HE SAID ALL THAT I STARTED THINKING, I WAS BORN IN
THAT HOSPITAL.
NOW I GUESS -- THERE'S WHERE I GET MY PERSONALITY FROM.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS A GREAT PLACE.
THIS WAS PART OF WHAT THEY CALL NOW THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT,
BETTER KNOWN AS OBAMA.
HE'S DONE GOOD, HE WANTS TO TEAR DOWN.
IT WAS CALLED MUTUAL AID SOCIETY.
YOU PAID A SMALL WEEKLY FEE AND FROM BIRTH TO DEATH, THEY
TOOK CARE OF YOU.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE.
THE DOCTOR CAME TO SEE YOU AT THE HOUSE.
THREE OR FOUR DOCTORS ON CALL.
YOU CALLED IN AND THEY WENT TO VISIT YOU AND THEY GIVE YOU A
PRESCRIPTION.
YOU TOOK IT DOWN TO THE DRUGSTORE, WHICH WAS ON THE SOUTH
SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND YOU WENT IN.
THE AREA THAT MR. MANISCALCO IS TALKING ABOUT, THE STAIRS
GOING DOWN ON THE LEFT SIDE IS WHERE YOU TOOK OUT -- THEY
HAD THE RESOURCES TO TAKE OUT YOUR BLOOD AND ANALYZE WHAT
YOU HAD WRONG.
AND ON THE RIGHT, I NEVER WENT IN, MAYBE HE WENT IN WHERE
THE MORGUE WAS.
NOW I KNOW WHERE HE GOT HIS PERSONALITY AT.
I'M ONLY JOKING, MY FRIEND.
ANYWAY, IT'S A GREAT LIFE.
WE INVENTED MEDICARE, AND WE INVENTED THE LOTTERY WHEN I WAS
A YOUNG BOY IN YBOR CITY.
HOWEVER, IT WAS CALLED BOLITA, WHICH WAS ILLEGAL AT THE
TIME.
THE GOVERNMENT TAKES IT OVER, IT'S LEGAL BECAUSE THEY MAKE
THE MONEY NOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:03:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE?
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM 50?
10:04:04AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:04:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM NUMBER 50.
10:04:15AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ITEM 50, AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND
READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX
EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
YBOR VARADERO, LLC, LOCATED AT 1915 NORTH AVENIDA REPUBLICA
DE CUBA, TAMPA, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY,
PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT,
PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:04:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
MR. MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:05:04AM >>THE CLERK:
[INAUDIBLE]
10:05:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
NEXT WE MOVE ON WARD TO ITEM 51, IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR ITEM
51.
10:05:10AM >>REBECCA KERT:
ITEM 51 IS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR ON A
PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AD VALOREM.
EXHIBIT A WAS A LEGAL DESCRIPTION ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY,
AND THAT EXHIBIT WAS NOT ATTACHED WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY PASSED
THIS.
WE'RE ASKING TO PASS THE SCRIVENER'S ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU.
10:05:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 51?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 51.
10:05:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 2019-50, PASSED AND ORDAINED BY
THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ON APRIL 4, 2019,
CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR FOR AN AD VALOREM FOR
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1902 NORTH AVENIDA REPUBLICA DE CUBA, BY
ATTACHING EXHIBIT A, (LEGAL DESCRIPTION); PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:06:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:06:19AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:06:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHEN I OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, I
STOPPED AT 51.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN ITEMS 52 THROUGH 60.
10:06:32AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
WE NOW HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
WE MOVE TO ITEM 52.
IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT.
IF EVERYONE WHO IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING TODAY ON
QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER PLEASE STAND UP, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
AND PREPARE TO BE SWORN IN.
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
10:07:07AM >>MARY SAMANIEGO:
THANK YOU.
MARY SAMANIEGO.
ITEMS 52 THROUGH 57 ARE ALL SECOND READINGS.
THE REQUIRED CHANGES TO SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND
ARE AVAILABLE AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
THANK YOU.
10:07:18AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON ITEM 52?
OKAY.
BEING NONE, IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON
ITEM NUMBER 52?
10:07:29AM >>MARY SAMANIEGO:
MARY SAMANIEGO.
I DO NOT SEE THE APPLICANT PRESENT, BUT I ASK THAT YOU
PROCEED WITH THE HEARING.
10:07:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
PREMATURE THERE.
IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 52?
OKAY.
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
MR. CITRO, IF YOU COULD TAKE ITEM 52, SIR.
10:07:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (S-2) APPROVING
A PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN AN RM-16 RESIDENTIAL,
MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3518
AND 3519 EAST 9th AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1.
THEREOF PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:08:21AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
STRIKE THAT.
LET'S RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:08:33AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:08:37AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
WE'RE MOVING TO -- YES, SIR.
WE MOVE TO ITEM 53.
10:08:49AM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
STEVE MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
WE RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THE FIRST READING AND WE
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL ON SECOND READING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
10:09:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL OF THE APPLICANT?
ANYONE HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 53?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 53.
10:09:17AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MOVE ITEM 53, REZ 19-29, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
214 SOUTH NEW JERSEY AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA,
MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, TO
RM-18, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:09:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:09:49AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:09:53AM >>STEVE MICHELINI:
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:09:54AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT MOVE TO ITEM 54.
10:09:59AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
GINA GRIMES WITH THE LAW FIRM OF HILL WARD HENDERSON
REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:10:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON ITEM NUMBER
54?
OKAY.
BEING NONE, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM
NUMBER 54?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR.
ANY OPPOSED.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 54.
10:10:24AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SURE, MOVE FILE NUMBER REZ 19-33, ORDINANCE
BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2514
WEST PROSPECT ROAD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-60 (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY) TO RS-75
(RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:10:47AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
10:10:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:10:54AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:11:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
WE MOVE NOW TO ITEM 55, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
10:11:09AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I'M DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT ON ITEM 55.
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:11:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL
ON ITEM 55?
BEING NONE IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT
ON ITEM NUMBER 55?
10:11:32AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:11:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OH --
10:11:37AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A REVISED BPA I SENT OUT BY MEMORANDUM, SO PLEASE
DO THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
10:11:48AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:11:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
GENERAL VICINITY OF 608 NORTH WILLOW AVENUE AND 1332 WEST
CASS STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION CG (COMMERCIAL GENERAL) TO PD (PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY, RESTAURANT, AND STRIP
SHOPPING CENTER WITH ALL CG USES); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
DATE.
WITH THE RESOLUTION.
10:12:29AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS A MOTION TO ADOPT, IS THAT CORRECT?
10:12:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND READING. I APOLOGIZE.
RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:12:43AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIES WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:12:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
DOES ANYONE WISH TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
10:12:50AM >>THE CLERK:
THAT IS SUBSTITUTE.
10:12:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 56, IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR THAT.
ANYONE HERE FOR EITHER?
10:13:12AM >>MARY SAMANIEGO:
MARY SAMANIEGO.
I DO NOT SEE THE APPLICANT PRESENT BUT I ASK THAT YOU
PROCEED WITH THE HEARING.
10:13:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR ITEM 56?
BEING NONE, IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT
ON ITEM NUMBER 56?
10:13:27AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:13:28AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
COUNCILMAN, MANISCALCO, IF YOU, SIR, ARE COMFORTABLE WITH
TAKING ITEM 56.
10:13:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4224, 4226, 4236 AND 4242 EAST BUSCH BOULEVARD AND 4213 AND
4215 EAST EVA STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO PD, PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT, RETAIL SALES, GASOLINE AND RESTAURANT,
DRIVE-IN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:14:05AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:14:11AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:14:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
NEXT WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER 57.
IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR ITEM 57.
10:14:20AM >> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS MICHELAIT MANIUS.
I AM THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 57.
10:14:38AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER
57?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 57.
10:14:55AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
FILE NUMBER REZ 19-61, I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
4501 NORTH 42nd STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
CLASSIFICATION RS-50, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, TO PD,
PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY; PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:15:23AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:15:33AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:15:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 58, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE OR ANYONE
FROM CITY STAFF.
10:15:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
JULIE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M REPRESENTING THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE
VACATION PETITION BEFORE YOU TODAY.
GIVEN THAT YOU HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS ON YOUR AGENDA
FOR VACATING APPLICATIONS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME
TO REFRESH YOU ON SOME KEY POINTS TO CONSIDER AS YOU MAKE A
DETERMINATION ON THESE APPLICATIONS.
BASED ON STAFF REPORTS, COMMENTS AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED,
COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA TO DECIDE
WHETHER THE VACATION OF THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS IN THE
PUBLIC'S INTEREST OR AT LEAST THAT THE VACATION WILL NOT
ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PUBLIC AND RIGHT-OF-WAY IS NO LONGER
NEEDED BY THE CITY. I'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT
YOU SHOULD KEEP IN MIND AS JUSTIFICATION FOR VACATING THE
PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THESE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN UPHELD IN COURT, FLORIDA COURTS.
THEY INCLUDE WILL IT ALLEVIATE OR RELIEVE THE PUBLIC FROM
THE COST OF MAINTAINING A RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH IS NO LONGER
USEFUL OR USED ONLY -- BY ONLY A VERY FEW MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC?
THE SECOND CRITERIA IS, WILL IT ALLEVIATE A PUBLIC NUISANCE
SUCH AS DUMPING OR CURTAIL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY?
WILL IT FOSTER REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES?
WILL AN ABUTTING OWNER'S ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY BE
COMPLETELY CUT OFF OR SUBSTANTIALLY DIMINISHED AS A RESULT
OF THE VACATING?
CAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST BE SERVED BY APPROVING THE
VACATING PETITION SUBJECT TO PEGS CONDITIONS BEING IMPOSED
SUCH AS EASEMENT?
COUNCIL MAY CONSIDER THE CURRENT USE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IF
ANY, AND REASONABLE POTENTIAL FUTURE USE.
AND THE BENEFIT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO WHICH THE
VACATED PROPERTY ATTACHED CONSIDERED.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND IF YOU STEP OUTSIDE OF THESE CRITERIA IT
EXPOSES YOUR DECISION TO A RISK OF BEING CHALLENGED.
10:17:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
10:17:45AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HOW DOES SHE FEEL?
DID YOU WRITE THE ORDINANCE?
10:17:52AM >> I DRAFTED --
10:17:53AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THOUGHT YOU SAID ALL THE RAMIFICATIONS
ABOUT THE AUDIENCE.
YOU FEEL FINE WITH IT?
10:17:58AM >> YES.
10:17:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT --
10:18:07AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS ONE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
10:18:16AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, MA'AM.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM 58?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE ITEM 58.
10:18:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING
A PORTION OF RIGHT-OF-WAY KNOWN AS GRACE STREET, LYING NORTH
OF CYPRESS STREET, EAST OF CLARK AVENUE, WEST OF I-275 AND
SOUTH OF NASSAU STREET IN BELVEDERE PARK, A SUBDIVISION IN
THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME
BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO
CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND
RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING
AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:19:11AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:19:24AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT
AT VOTE.
10:19:26AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 59.
10:19:31AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:19:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
IS ANYONE FROM COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ITEM 59?
NOW WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 59?
10:19:51AM >> MY NAME IS ALAN DAUBS WITH FLORIDA DESIGN STUDIO, 5502
NORTH CHEROKEE AVENUE.
I AM THE APPLICANT AND THE AGENT FOR THE OWNERS OF THE CIGAR
FACTORY, THE ONES PETITIONING FOR ABANDONING THE ALLEY.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:20:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANY QUESTIONS?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 59?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IF YOU, SIR, COULD TAKE 59.
10:20:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND
ABANDONING A RIGHT-OF-WAY/ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF 17th
AVENUE, SOUTH OF 18th AVENUE, EAST OF 15th STREET AND
WEST OF 16th STREET IN SANCHEZ & HAYA REAL ESTATE
COMPANY'S REVISED MAP, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY
DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT
RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE
PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:21:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
10:21:09AM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING ABSENT AT
VOTE.
10:21:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 60.
10:21:17AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
BARBARA LYNCH.
LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
10:21:22AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM CITY COUNCIL?
BEING NONE, APPLICANT, ANYTHING, SIR?
10:21:32AM >> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M THE APPLICANT,
REPRESENTATIVE FOR INTEREST RECOVERY INC.
10:21:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
I'M JANE WHITFIELD, THE ATTORNEY FOR INTEREST HOLDINGS.
10:21:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY HAVE YOU-ALL'S FULL NAME?
10:21:44AM >> NICO TARANLINI.
10:21:50AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE
APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL?
THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 60?
MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
NEXT, COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU, SIR, DON'T MIND TAKING ITEM
NUMBER 60.
10:22:12AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
FILE NUMBER VAC 19-14, I MOVE THE ORDINANCE TO BE PRESENTED
FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY/ALLEYWAY LYING NORTH OF 9th AVENUE, SOUTH
OF 10th AVENUE, EAST OF NORTH 32nd STREET AND WEST OF
NORTH 33rd STREET IN POWELL'S ADDITION TO EAST YBOR, A
SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS,
CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED SET
FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:22:57AM >>LUIS VIERA:
BEFORE WE DO THAT, I SEE A NOTE FROM PLANNING
AND DEVELOPMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND/OR TPD TO PROVIDE
WRITTEN REPORTS ON THIS ISSUE.
10:23:12AM >>THE CLERK:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:23:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
HAS THAT ALL BEEN DONE?
10:23:16AM >>THE CLERK:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:23:18AM >>LUIS VIERA:
BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANT TO GO TO THE MAKER
OF THE MOTION, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
CITRO.
THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR WRITTEN REPORTS.
10:23:25AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT -- WHAT I WAS HOPING
FOR WAS A QUICK STAFF REPORT IN REGARD TO, JUST AS IT
RELATED TO ALLEYS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ALLEYS AND
ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THAT SORT OF
THING, AND THEN TRY AND RELATE IT TO THIS PARTICULAR
PROJECT.
NOW, I KNOW THIS ONE WAS UNUSUAL BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSIONS
OF THE LOT, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I RESPECT THE
PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE DEVELOPER, BUT DID WE HAVE OTHER
STAFF THAT WAS GOING TO TALK TO US.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT PARTICULAR STAFF REPORT?
10:23:59AM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BEFORE
MR. SHELBY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, SIR?
10:24:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
A QUESTION RELATIVE TO THAT.
THE HEARING IS CLOSED.
THE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN READ BY TITLE.
THE QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS A STAFF REPORT OF GENERAL NATURE
OR IS IT EVIDENCE THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS
PARTICULAR PARCEL?
BECAUSE IF IT IS SOMETHING JUST OF A GENERAL NATURE, A
POLICY DECISION --
10:24:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO, I WOULD MOVE TO REOPEN.
10:24:27AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. SHELBY.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER DID A MOTION TO REOPEN.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ANY IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:24:39AM >> THE POLICE AND STANDARDS AND ENFORCEMENTS SENT A REPORT
OVER TO COUNCIL THAT TALKED ABOUT THE DUMPING.
I DID ASK URBAN DESIGN TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY,
BUT I DON'T SEE THEM PRESENT.
10:24:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BEFORE YOU START, CATHY, IN REGARD TO
POLICE, I DIDN'T SEE THE REPORT.
I'M SURE IT'S THERE.
WHAT DID IT SAY?
10:25:02AM >> IT BASICALLY SAID THERE WAS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AS FAR AS
DUMPING GOES.
THEY HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE DEBRIS LEFT ON THE SITE.
THEY JUST TARGETED SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT HAD
COMPLAINED TO STANDARDS AND ENFORCEMENTS.
10:25:17AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS WHEN I
SAW -- THERE IS NO DEFINED ALLEY THERE, IT'S JUST PART OF
ALL THE OVERGROWN.
10:25:24AM >> IT IS A PLATTED ALLEY THAT NEVER GOT IMPROVED, BASICALLY.
10:25:27AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE ALLEY HAD BEEN
DUMPED IN.
10:25:31AM >> NO.
10:25:31AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND THERE I'M SURE
ARE DUMPING.
10:25:35AM >> PEOPLE ARE APPARENTLY PARKING CARS ON THE LOTS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT.
10:25:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
PUTTING AN ALLEY IN IS NOT NECESSARILY
GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT.
GO AHEAD, CATHY.
10:25:45AM >> THANK YOU.
CATHERINE COYLE, PLANNING, DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
IN GENERAL HAD, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS AND
AGAIN, TRANSPORTATION, PLANNING AND DESIGN IS ALSO LOOKING
AT IT FROM DOWNTOWN, BUT FROM STRICTLY A PLANNING
PERSPECTIVE, WE DO LOOK AT THE GRID AND WHAT IS AROUND IT.
AND ITS CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE LOCATION HERE.
THIS IS BOUNDED BY THE CONNECTOR, THE SELMON I-4 CONNECTOR.
I-4 THIS SIDE.
THE GRID IS ACTUALLY CLOSED.
THERE IS NO CONNECTION UNDER THE CONNECTOR AND NO CONNECTION
UNDER I-4 EXCEPT UNDER 34, SO IT IS A CLOSED GRID.
I DID A BLOWUP OF SURROUNDING BLOCKS, AND WE DO DEFINITELY
LOOK AT THE IMPORTANCE OF ALLEYS.
10:26:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHY IS THAT?
10:26:39AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
ALLEYS BASICALLY AS PART OF THE GRID AND
THE CONNECTION, WHETHER THEY ARE USED FOR SERVICE OR
UTILITIES OR OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE USES, AND WHETHER OR NOT
THEY ARE OPEN OR IMPROVED OR THEY ARE JUST ON A MAP AND HAVE
NEVER BEEN IMPROVED.
10:26:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT ALLEYS ARE GENERALLY IMPORTANT IN
SOME AREAS, CORRECT?
10:26:56AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
IN SOME.
THAT'S WHY IT'S DEFINITELY IN CONTEXT OF THE AREA IT'S IN.
LOOKING CLOSER, IF YOU LOOK AT EACH PARTICULAR BLOCK, THIS
IS THE SUBJECT BLOCK HERE.
YOU CAN SEE WE ALSO HAVE TO -- WE ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
FROM OUR PLANNING PERSPECTIVE AND DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, THE
NATURAL RESOURCES ASPECT AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DO LOOK AT TREE
REPLACEMENT.
TREES GROW WHERE YOU PLANT THEM, BUT THEY ALSO GROW WHERE
THEY WANT TO.
YOU DO HAVE A LARGE CLUSTER OF TREES HERE.
THE ALLEY HAS NEVER BEEN IMPROVED.
LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE PLATTED AREA AND SURROUNDING
BLOCKS, YOU CAN SEE THE ALLEYS HAVEN'T BEEN IMPROVED AND
TREES HAVE JUST KIND OF GROWN WHERE THEY WANT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS ACTUALLY HAS A PLOTTED ALLEY AS WELL.
NONE OF THESE ARE CLOSED ON PAPER.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY OPEN BUT ALL THE FENCE LINES FOLLOW THE
BACK LINE.
IT'S NOT OPEN.
THIS ONE ISN'T EITHER.
THAT IS A PREDOMINANT PATTERN IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
THEY WERE SIMPLY PLATTED ON PAPER AND NEVER ACTUALLY USED.
SO WE FOUND NO PUBLIC PURPOSE TO KEEP THEM OPEN BECAUSE AS A
LARGER GRID IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY CONNECT BECAUSE OF THE
CUTOFFS FROM THE INTERSTATES.
10:28:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, THAT
INFORMATION IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THAT IF THERE ARE ALLEY VACATING
REQUESTS, THAT WE CAN SEE THAT TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH
OTHER NEIGHBORING BLOCKS AND THE CONTEXT THAT THE REQUEST IS
IN.
10:28:27AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
I CAN HAVE OUR PLANNING STAFF TO ADD
THOSE FEW SENTENCES TO DESCRIBE WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE
LOOKING AT.
10:28:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE OTHER PART, MS. COYLE AND I'M SO GLAD
YOU'RE HERE, IS WHAT GOT US HERE?
10:28:41AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
THAT I CAN'T ANSWER.
THAT WOULD BE BARBARA.
10:28:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NOT AN ANSWER I'M LOOKING FOR.
IT MIGHT BE THE SOLUTION.
COUNCIL, WHAT YOU RECALL, WHAT GOT US HERE, THIS PROPERTY
WAS X NUMBER OF FEET SHORT BECAUSE I GUESS AT SOME POINT WE
CHANGED THE CITY CODE TO REQUIRE OR NOT ALLOW -- IT WASN'T A
BUILDABLE LOT BECAUSE IT BECAME TOO SHORT, RIGHT?
I KNOW WE USED TO HAVE THE 80% RULE.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO BRING BACK THE 80% RULE.
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CHAT WITH STAFF AT SOME POINT AND
PERHAPS REVISIT THIS.
BECAUSE TO ME IT WAS KIND OF -- IT'S SORT OF OVERKILL THAT
HE HAS TO COME IN AND VACATE -- GO THROUGH THIS VACATING
THING, VACATE THE ENTIRE ALLEY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, JUST
TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL COUPLE OF FEET TO MAKE THIS A
BUILDABLE PARCEL.
I HOPE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE TWEAK THE ZONING CODE
TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ANOMALIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY
CAUSES THE PROBLEM.
I THINK WHEN THE CITY CHANGED ITS CODE, PERHAPS THE
ELIMINATION OF THE 80% RULE, WE THREW THESE TYPE OF PARCELS
INTO THAT SITUATION.
10:29:56AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE ELIMINATION
OF THE 80% RULE WAS SIMPLY TAKING AWAY THE SPECIAL USE
PROCESS FOR IT.
10:30:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
10:30:02AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING PROCESS IS
STILL THERE FOR SUBSTANDARD LOTS TO COME --
10:30:08AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, BUT A PD PROCESS IS EVEN MORE
ONEROUS THAN THE VACATING ALLEY PROCESS.
10:30:13AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
IT IS.
SAME PROCESS AS SPECIAL USE PROCESS.
IT FOLLOWS THE SAME STEPS THAT IT USED TO FOLLOW.
ACTUALLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN MORE RECENT HISTORY, LOOKING AT
OUR OVERLAYS IN OUR SPECIAL DISTRICTS IS WE'VE INCLUDED A
LOT OF RECORD PROVISION.
SO THAT IF WE LOOK AT A CERTAIN AREA AND WE LOOK AT THE
PATTERN OF THE AREA AND HOW IT WAS PLOTTED AND HOW IT'S
DEVELOPED WE STICK IN A LOT OF RECORD PROVISIONS SO IF YOU
ARE A LOT OF RECORD OF PLOTTED DEED AS OF A CERTAIN DATE,
YOU ARE A BUILDABLE LOT.
THAT ACTUALLY TAKES CARE OF IT WITHOUT ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH
HOW IT WAS PLOTTED WITH ALLEYS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
JUST THOSE PLOTTED LOTS THEY CAN BUILD.
10:30:46AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT, I DON'T KNOW WHY
THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR THEM.
10:30:50AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
THEY ARE NOT IN ONE OF THE AREAS.
10:30:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ONLY SPECIFIC TO AREAS?
MAYBE WE SHOULD BROADEN THAT OUT.
10:30:58AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
THAT'S I DIDN'T SUGGESTED BRINGING IT UP.
10:31:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:31:04AM >> MS. COYLE, GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
THAT AREA, IS THAT NOT THE GARY YBOR AREA?
10:31:15AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF THE AREA
BUT, YES, THE EASTERN AREA OF YBOR CITY.
NOT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT EAST OF THAT.
10:31:23AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BECAUSE IT IS NORTHEAST.
I TOOK MR. SHELBY OVER YESTERDAY, SEEN ALL THE VACANT LOTS
AND ALLEYWAYS OVER THERE.
GOOD POINT.
10:31:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, WHEN I SECONDED THE MOTION THAT
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MADE, I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN THE
STAFF REPORTS OF ILLEGAL DUMPING AND CRIME THAT MIGHT BE
HAPPENING IN THIS AREA TO WARRANT THE REQUEST BY THE OWNERS
OF THIS.
I AM VERY SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF REPORT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:31:51AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:31:53AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SORRY FOR A NEWBIE QUESTION.
IF THIS WAS A PAVED ALLEY THAT WAS REGULARLY USED BY THE
PUBLIC, WOULD STAFF HAVE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED AGAINST THIS?
10:32:04AM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO SAY IN A
HYPOTHETICAL, LIKELY IF IT IS AN OPEN AND USED ALLEY, WE
PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING IT.
10:32:13AM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN BRING THIS UP IN NEW BUSINESS, BUT I
THINK AT SOME POINT WE NEED A MORE WHOLESOME DISCUSSION
ABOUT ALLEYS.
10:32:21AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT OF
ALLEYS MUCH LONGER, CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DISTRICT THAT LOT
OF ALLEYS ARE USED BY THE PUBLIC.
CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ALLEYS ARE THERE AND NEVER
BEEN USED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:32:34AM >> WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT VACATING
ALLEYS, IF IT'S PAVED AND USED WE TELL THEM THIS IS PROBABLY
NOT A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR VACATING AND TRY TO DISCOURAGE THAT
TYPE OF APPLICATION KNOWING IT WILL PROBABLY NOT GET
APPROVED.
10:32:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JUST TO BELABOR IT ONE MORE SECOND, WE
HAD SOME ALLEYS, I THINK THEY WERE IN SOHO EARLIER, ABOUT 15
YEARS AGO.
THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN BARELY PAVED, BARELY USED BUT WHEN THE
ACTIVITY AND THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GET THOSE DEVELOPERS TO REBUILD THOSE ALLEYS BECAUSE THEY
WANTED TO BUILD THOSE QUADS, REMEMBER, AND UTILIZE THOSE
ALLEYS AS A REAR-LOADING GARAGES THAT SORT OF THING.
ULTIMATELY, WE'VE ENDED UP WITH SOME NICE ALLEY SYSTEMS THAT
DIDN'T EXIST.
SO I THINK THERE'S A BALANCE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT WE
SHOULD VERY CAREFULLY STUDY THOSE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
THANK YOU.
10:33:33AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
NEXT FOR THE APPLICANT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING
FURTHER IN REBUTTAL OR RESPONSE TO THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS
JUST HELD.
IF YOU COULD GO UP THERE --
10:33:44AM >> NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
10:33:45AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MIND STATING YOUR NAME AGAIN?
10:33:47AM >> NICOL TARANLINI.
10:33:53AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 60?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU DON'T MIND AGAIN READING NUMBER 60.
DO WE NEED TO READ IT AGAIN?
10:34:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
10:34:13AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHO SECONDED THAT?
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
LET'S RECORD OUR VOTE.
10:34:29AM >>THE CLERK:
THE MOTION CARRIED WITH -- [INAUDIBLE]
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:34:36AM >> MOVE TO OPEN THE 10:
30 PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEMS 61 THROUGH
66.
10:34:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 61.
10:34:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DID YOU WANT TO SWEAR IN THE PUBLIC FOR THE
10:30 HEARINGS?
10:34:54AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYBODY HERE SPEAKING ON THESE ITEMS WHO HAS
NOT BEEN SWORN IN
[OATH ADMINISTERED]
10:35:13AM >>RYAN MANASSE:
RYAN MANASSE, PLANNING DESIGN DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
ITEM NUMBER 61 WAS CONTINUED FROM MAY 23, 2019, EVENING AB
PUBLIC HEARING.
I'D LIKE TO HIT ON SOME KEY POINTS FROM THAT MEETING.
THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR AB 219-12 LOCATED AT 1925 EAST
6th AVENUE.
IT'S FOR A SMALL VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, CONSUMPTION
ON PREMISES AS WELL AS PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION
OFF-PREMISES.
PROPOSED USES FOR THE SITE ARE BAR, RETAIL, SALES, BUSINESS
OR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
THEY WERE REQUESTING A WAIVER FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION
WHICH COMES FROM SECTION 27283.7, WHICH REQUIRED 12 PARKING
SPACES.
THEY HAVE FOUR ON-SITE, 67% REDUCTION, AS WELL AS A FAVOR
FROM THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT THAT COMES FROM
SECTION 27132.
IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF 250 FEET FROM OTHER AB SALES
ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THEY ARE AT 165 FEET.
THIS PETITION WAS CONTINUED.
THERE WERE SOME NOTES THAT I TOOK ON THE FIRST ONE THAT
COUNCIL AND THE AGENT AGREED TO ADD ON TO THE SITE PLAN
BEFORE WE GETTING IT SECOND READING, ONE OF THEM BEING THERE
WOULD BE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AND THEN IT WAS
CONTINUED TO GO INTO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HOURS OF
OPERATION.
THE AGENT MARK BENTLEY IS HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME
PROPOSED CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION,
AND STAFF WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE
ON THAT.
10:36:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS?
NO?
ALL RIGHT.
APPLICANT?
MR. BENTLEY.
10:36:37AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME
IS MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, 33602.
WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT THE LAST HEARING WAS I HAD SUGGESTED A
CONTINUE TO IMPOSE LIMITATIONS ON THE HOURS OF SALE WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF SOME SPECIAL EVENTS IN YBOR CITY.
AND A CONCERN WAS RAISED ABOUT THE PROPRIETARY OF DOING THAT
OR LEGALITY.
THE CHARGE WAS BETWEEN THESE TWO WEEKS TO RESEARCH THE
LEGALITY OF IMPOSING A CONDITION LIKE THAT, THAT CARVED OUT
THESE EXCEPTIONS.
I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND I
PROPOSED A CONDITION WHICH REQUIRES THE CESSATION OF SALE OF
ALCOHOL AT 12:00 EVERY NIGHT.
CAN ONLY COMMENCE SALE OF ALCOHOL 11 A.M. SUNDAY WHICH IS
CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW.
WE CARVED OUT THE EXCEPTIONS I MENTIONED BEFORE, GUAVAWEEN,
ET CETERA.
MS. MORA HAS REVIEWED THAT FOR LEGAL SUFFICIENCY.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SHE BELIEVES IT IS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT
AS TO FORM AND SUBSTANCE.
AND I HAVE THAT CONDITION.
I CAN PRESENT IT TO YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
ONE OTHER THING, TOO, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, WE SENT A LETTER
TO THE CONDO ASSOCIATION LOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE EAST THAT
HAD RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOURS AND THE OUTSIDE
AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND TOLD THEM WHAT OUR INTENTION WAS.
10:38:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS?
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:38:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO I SEE A LETTER FROM -- OUTLINING NINE
ADDITIONAL NIGHTS THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO STAY OPEN I GUESS
UNTIL THREE OR UP TILL THREE WITH ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL
EVENT ANNUALLY, INCLUDING THE JAMES E. ROOSTER FAT TUESDAY
BAR CRAWL, WHICH I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH, MR. BENTLEY.
10:38:56AM >> NEITHER WAS I.
10:38:57AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ANYWAY, ONE ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENT
ANNUALLY.
I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF -- I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS
GENERALLY.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET ME WRONG AND I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT
WITH OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS SORT OF THE VAGUENESS ABOUT, QUOTE, ONE
ADDITIONAL SPECIAL EVENT ANNUALLY AND ALSO WOULD THESE
SPECIFIC DATES ALSO BE POSTED WITH THE POSTING THAT WE'RE
DOING HERE?
10:39:27AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
YES SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD -- COUNCIL
HAS SEEN SOME OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE THERE ARE
SPECIFIC EVENINGS WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF
EVENT, AND WHAT COUNCIL HAS DONE IN THESE SITUATIONS IS
REQUIRE THEM TO NOTIFY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR BY
JANUARY 1st EACH YEAR, BY MONTH, DATE, WHAT THOSE DATES
THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WILL BE.
THEY POST THOSE ON THE PREMISES SO IT'S EASILY VIEWABLE BY
CUSTOMERS, BY TPD AS WELL.
SO IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE WHAT THE SPECIALIZED DATES WOULD
BE.
AND THAT DEALS WITH THE SOMEWHAT VAGUENESS OF THOSE DATES
THAT ARE NOT CLEARLY KNOWN.
10:40:05AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THEY HAVE TO PICK IN ADVANCE WHAT THAT
ADDITIONAL DATE WOULD BE.
10:40:10AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
THAT'S CORRECT.
10:40:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST A FEW THINGS.
OUR ORDINANCE FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION IS TILL 3 A.M.,
CORRECT?
10:40:25AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
CHAPTER 14 HAS DIFFERENT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT
ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT TYPICALLY 3 A.M. IS THE HOUR, YES.
10:40:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS A BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
CONSUMPTION, CORRECT?
10:40:38AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
CORRECT.
10:40:40AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THIS, LET'S SAY THE
APPLICANT SELLS THE BUSINESS, AND YOU'VE INDICATED THESE
CONDITIONS, IS THAT BINDING?
WILL THAT CARRY ON TO THE NEXT OWNER IF HE SELLS THE
BUSINESS?
10:40:55AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
YES.
OUR ALCOHOL APPROVALS ARE TIED TO THE LAND, NOT THE
INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT.
SO ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BIND ANY FUTURE
OWNERS THAT ARE SELLING ALCOHOL.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT IS IF THEY CAME AND
MADE AN AMENDMENT HERE AT CITY COUNCIL.
OTHERWISE THAT PERMIT AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS WILL CONTINUE
WITH THE LAND.
10:41:13AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
10:41:18AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MS. MORA, HATE TO KEEP YOU GOING BACK AND
FORTH.
10:41:20AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
I KEEP TRYING TO ESCAPE.
10:41:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HAVING LOOKED AT THIS, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT
OF IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF -- LET ME DIGRESS -- INCLUDING
THE NON-AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
COULD THESE SAME DATES BE SELF-IMPOSED INSTEAD OF BEING IN
FRONT OF US TODAY SO THIS WOULD NOT CARRY ON TO THE NEXT
OWNER?
MY POINT BEING, AND YOU KNOW I CANNOT GIVE EVIDENCE.
10:41:51AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
YES.
10:41:54AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HOWEVER, I AM SURE THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER
EVENING FESTIVITIES THAT THIS ESTABLISHMENT MIGHT WANT TO BE
OPEN TILL MORE THAN JUST ONE MORE A MONTH.
I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT GIVING EVIDENCE.
HOWEVER, COULD THIS BE SELF-IMPOSING BY THE OWNERS ON WHEN
THEY WANT TO CLOSE?
10:42:12AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
SO THE WAY THAT THE CONDITION IS WORDED IS
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CLOSE AT 12 A.M. EVERY SINGLE DAY WITH
THE EXCEPTION OF THE TEN DATES THAT THEY PROVIDED IN ADVANCE
TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE BY TPD.
10:42:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET ME MAKE THIS STATEMENT THEN.
ALTHOUGH I LIKE THIS GROUP, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM
IN HERE EVERY MONTH SAYING WE FORGOT THIS DATE, FORGOT THAT
DATE OR FORGOT THIS DATE.
AGAIN, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THIS MORNING.
10:42:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE APPLICANT?
10:42:48AM >> NO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:42:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL ON ITEM 61?
ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 61?
10:43:01AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ROGER KESSLER WITH UNIQUE PROPERTIES SERVICES.
I'M THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MANAGER FOR THE PROPERTY.
FIFTH AVENUE VILLAS CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION WHO IS RIGHT
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
I THINK THEY ALREADY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. MINCEBERG FOR PROPOSING
THAT AND AGREEING TO THE TERMS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THE CONCERN WAS THAT -- THAT WAS A CONCERN, THAT IF A NEW
OWNER CAME AND TOOK OVER THE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE FUTURE
THAT MAYBE THEIR WET ZONE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO THEN
INCREASE MUSIC AND PLAY AND BE LOUD AND HAVE HOURS OF
OPERATION PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE NIGHT.
BUT THAT'S BEEN ANSWERED NOW AND THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
10:43:41AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC?
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
STRIKE THAT.
ACTUALLY, ANY REBUTTAL?
I DOUBT IT.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I BELIEVE
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING 61?
10:44:03AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.
61, FILE AB 2-19-12.
MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (S-2) FOR
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE (CONSUMPTION ON
PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION) AND
MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1925 EAST 6th AVENUE, TAMPA,
FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, THAT
ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
REPEALED, ALONG WITH THE AGREEMENTS PROPOSED OF APPROVAL OF
THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND ALSO THE LETTER SIGNED BY
MR. MICHAEL MINCBERG REGARDING THE DATES PLUS ONE DATE TO BE
DETERMINED.
10:44:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECOND.
WITH THAT SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORS
AND THE OWNER FOR WORKING OUT THIS COMPROMISE WITH US, AND
THANK YOU.
10:44:58AM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:45:07AM >>THE CLERK:
MR. CHAIR, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL
OCCUR ON JUNE 17th, 2019 AT 9:30 A.M.
10:45:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:45:17AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO SAY ALSO THANK YOU TO THE OWNERS
AND DEVELOPERS FOR WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO WORK OUT
A RESOLUTION.
THANK YOU.
10:45:25AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 62.
10:45:32AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO VACATE A PORTION OF AN ALLEY NEAR WEST
TAMPA.
I HAVE A MAP FOR THE OVERHEAD.
[ENCODER DROP]
THIS IS THE PORTION LOOKING WEST FROM THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S HOME.
THIS IS THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY.
THIS IS IMPROVED.
SO THAT'S LOOKING SOUTH ON DOUGLAS AND NORTH OF BRADDOCK.
THAT PART IS NOT PART OF THE REQUEST.
THEN I BROUGHT THE PLAT OVER JUST TO SHOW YOU THE PART BEING
REQUESTED TO BE VACATED IS THIS ALLEY.
THIS IS 10 FEET.
THE NORTH-SOUTH, WHATEVER REASON, THEY PLATTED IT AT 15.
THERE IS A WIDTH DIFFERENCE THERE.
NO OBJECTIONS FROM STAFF ON THIS.
AND EASEMENTS FOR WASTEWATER AND PICKUP HAVE BEEN REQUESTED.
10:46:54AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:46:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CAN YOU PUT THAT LAST MAP UP THAT SHOWED
THE CONTEXT OF THE PROPOSED VACATING?
10:47:04AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THE PLAT?
10:47:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO HERE AT LEAST IN REGARD TO BLOCKS ONE,
TWO, AND THREE, ARE WE TO CONCLUDE THAT THOSE ARE ACTIVE AND
OPEN ALLEYS?
10:47:22AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
ONE, TWO, AND THREE ARE STILL OPEN.
THIS STREET IS VACATED.
THESE ALLEYS HAVE BEEN VACATED SOUTH AND THEN TO THE EAST.
AND THEN ONE TO THE NORTH.
10:47:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I LIKE THAT ONE.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES, DO I TAKE IT LOTS 13 AND 14?
10:47:51AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
YES.
10:47:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHAT IS THE BASIS AND JUSTIFICATION, THE
REASON FOR?
10:47:56AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
WELL, IT STATES THAT THE ALLEY IS NOT IN
USE.
THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE VACATING.
TO BE HONEST, THE GENTLEMAN THAT I WAS DEALING WITH ON THIS
IS HISPANIC AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMUNICATION
PROBLEM.
SO I WAS TRYING TO GET THE BEST ANSWERS OUT OF HIM.
TO BE HONEST, WHEN I WENT DOWN THIS ALLEY TO THE
NORTH-SOUTH, I DIDN'T DO A GOOD PICTURE.
THE FENCE LINES GO TO THE CORNERS OF 9 AND 28.
YOU COULD GO DOWN IT POSSIBLY THIS WAY, EXCEPT FOR THE
OVERGROWTH DOWN AT THIS END BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF OPEN HERE.
WHEN YOU COME DOWN THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY, YOU COULDN'T TURN
INTO THE ALLEY.
10:48:31AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THIS IS AN UNUSUAL ALLEY BECAUSE IT
DOESN'T POP OUT AT ARMENIA LIKE A TYPICAL ALLEY DOES IT POPS
OUT IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
10:48:42AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
IT POPS OUT TO THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY THAT
IS IMPROVED.
TO TRY AND GO DOWN, MAKE A TURN IN BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY
FENCED, WHICH THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO, IT WOULD BE HARD TO
USE IT OFTEN.
10:48:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMEWHAT OF AN
EXCEPTION.
10:48:56AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:48:59AM >>BILL CARLSON:
ANOTHER NEWBIE QUESTION.
WHY WOULD THE CITY NOT PAVE AND MAINTAIN ALLEYS?
10:49:06AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
WELL, THAT'S MORE OF A TRANSPORTATION
ISSUE.
IF IT WASN'T -- A LOT OF THESE ALLEYS ARE IN OLD PLATS WHERE
THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF THESE WERE PLATTED TODAY, THE STREETS AND ALLEYS WOULD AS
PART OF THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE
IMPROVED.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF OLD PLATS THAT WERE DRAWN UP AND THEN NOT
NECESSARILY THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE.
THEY HAVE -- A GOOD EXAMPLE, PORT TAMPA.
THEY DIDN'T BUILD ANY OF THE ROADS IN PORT TAMPA.
NOW LATER ON PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND BUILDING ROADS.
BUT IT'S VERY COSTLY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY -- YOU KNOW, PAVING
AN ALLEY TO CITY STANDARDS COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
10:49:46AM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THIS IN A WORKSHOP,
BUT HAVE YOU HAD AN INSTANCE WHERE NEIGHBORS CAME TO YOU AND
SAID OUR ALLEY LOOKS LIKE THIS, PLEASE PAVE IT FOR US AND
MAINTAIN IT?
10:49:54AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THEY GENERALLY WOULDN'T COME TO ME.
THEY WOULD GO TO TRANSPORTATION.
I THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE, IF THEY WANT IT PAVED, THEY
WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDS.
10:50:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYTHING ELSE?
IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 62?
10:50:13AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS DIANE VALDEZ.
I LIVE IN THE HOUSE ON BRADDOCK.
I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
COULD SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT VACATING THE ALLEY MEANS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M HERE BECAUSE IT INVOLVES ME IN SOME WAY, AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW.
10:50:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU PROBABLY GOT THE NOTICE LETTER.
10:50:36AM >> I DID.
10:50:40AM >> COULD YOU PULL UP THE MAP SO WE CAN ALL SEE?
10:50:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MAYBE SHE CAN POINT OUT HER HOUSE ON THE
OVERHEAD, IF SHE'S INCLINED.
10:50:53AM >> I'M ON BRADDOCK.
10:50:55AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
BASICALLY BEHIND HER HOUSE, REMARKABLY,
EVERYONE HAS PUT THE FENCE LINES ON THEIR PROPERTY LINES FOR
THE MOST PART.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A SPACE.
THAT SPACE IS 10 FEET WIDE.
CURRENTLY, THAT IS A PUBLICLY PLATTED ALLEY.
SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERLYING INTEREST IN IT BUT YOU CAN'T USE
IT BECAUSE IT IS PUBLICLY DEDICATED.
WHAT HAPPENS, IF THIS GETS VACATED, IT WILL REVERT TO THE
ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS -- THE NEW PROPERTY LINE WILL BE
THE CENTER LINE OF THAT ALLEY AND YOU WILL GAIN FIVE FEET.
THERE WILL BE AN EASEMENT RESERVE, SO YOU CAN'T PUT A
STRUCTURE IN THERE.
YOU CAN FENCE IT BUT CAN'T PUT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR BACKYARD AND EASIER FOR YOU TO
MAINTAIN --
10:51:38AM >> WHY WOULDN'T I WANT TO DO THAT, THOUGH?
10:51:40AM >> I DON'T KNOW.
[ LAUGHTER ]
10:51:42AM >> ALL RIGHT.
I'M GLAD I SHOWED UP.
10:51:44AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU GET A PRIZE.
EVERYBODY GETS A PRIZE.
10:51:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 62?
10:51:51AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:51:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TAKING ITEM -- WE'LL
COME BACK.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH ITEM 62?
10:52:12AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BASED ON THE FACT IT
DEAD-ENDS INTO ANOTHER ALLEY AND REALLY IS NOT ABLE TO BE
DRIVEN ON, EVEN IF WE PAVEED IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'LL GO
AHEAD AND MOVE THIS ORDINANCE FOR PETITION VAC 19-17 BEING
PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND
ABANDONING THE EAST/WEST PORTION OF ALLEYWAY/RIGHT-OF-WAY
LYING SOUTH OF DOUGLAS STREET, NORTH OF BRADDOCK STREET,
EAST OF TAMPANIA AVENUE AND WEST OF ARMENIA AVENUE IN WINTON
PARK, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT, RESERVATIONS,
COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY
DESCRIBED HEREIN -- EXCUSE ME, MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH
HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:53:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
10:53:10AM >>THE CLERK:
MR. CHAIR, MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING
NO.
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON JUNE 27th, 2019 AT
9:30 A.M.
10:53:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 63.
10:53:23AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
COORDINATION.
THIS REQUEST IS IN SOUTH TAMPA AT GANDY SUN BAY
NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HAVE A MAP FOR THE OVERHEAD.
APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO VACATE THE REMAINDER OF AN ALLEY
THAT THE EAST HALF WAS PREVIOUSLY VACATED IN 2002.
SOUTH OF WISCONSIN, NORTH OF IOWA, AND RUNS BETWEEN CHURCH
AND DALE MABRY.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PETITIONED IN 2002.
I THINK THE REASON AT THE TIME THIS WAS ONLY PARTIALLY
VACATED WAS BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME USE OF THIS.
I DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, AND SHE SAID THEY ARE
NOT USING IT ANYMORE.
SO SHE WENT AHEAD AND FILED THE APPLICATION.
THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS INTERESTING.
THIS IS CHURCH AVENUE.
THIS IS UNIMPROVED.
SO THIS PIECE OF ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED ALLEY OFF AN UNIMPROVED
STREET TO A DEAD END.
THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING EAST FROM CHURCH STREET TOWARD THE
DEAD END, AND THIS IS CHURCH STREET WHERE THE ALLEY EXITS
ONTO, THE OPEN PART.
AND THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND LOOKING SOUTH ON
WISCONSIN.
I BROUGHT THE ORIGINAL PLAT OVER SO YOU COULD SEE.
THIS IS THE ALLEY IN YELLOW AND THE PART THAT'S BADLY
CROSSHATCHED IS THE PART THAT WAS VACATED PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN THIS IS THE -- JUST A LITTLE SNAPSHOT SO MANY
ALLEYS OVER HERE HAVE BEEN CLOSED.
STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST.
THEY WOULD WANT AN EASEMENT FOR WASTEWATER AND TECO.
10:55:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:55:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MS. LYNCH, IF YOU GO BACK TO MAYBE SOME
OF YOURS PHOTOGRAPHS -- TWO QUESTIONS.
DID YOU HAVE TO GO OUT AND TRAIPSE AROUND AND TAKE THESE
PHOTOS?
10:55:33AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
YES.
10:55:35AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I HOPE YOU HAVE HIGH BOOTS FOR THAT.
BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, SOMETIMES YOU SEE THESE ALLEYS AND,
FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THIS ONE IS NOT MORE OVERGROWN, WHERE
PEOPLE USE THEM TO PULL A CAR INTO THEIR BACKYARD OR PULL A
BOAT INTO THEIR BACKYARD OR A CAMPER WITH A GATE AND THAT
SORT OF THING.
DID YOU SEE ANY INDICATION OF GATES?
10:56:00AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
NO.
TO BE HONEST, I DID NOT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ALLEY.
I WAS BY MYSELF.
10:56:05AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'M SEEING SOMEBODY AGAINST THE WALL
NODDING HER HEAD.
WE MIGHT HEAR A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
THE PETITIONER, HIM OR HERSELF OVER THERE, HOW FAR BACK INTO
THIS IS THAT PETITIONER?
10:56:24AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THEY ARE AT THE DEAD END.
HERE'S WHERE THE PART WAS VACATED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEY ARE
--
10:56:30AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ARGUABLY, JUST AS LONG AS YOU'RE AT THE
PODIUM, ARGUABLY, WE COULD VACATE THAT ONE 10- OR 15-FOOT
SECTION BEHIND THE PETITIONER WITHOUT VACATING THE ENTIRE
REMAINING SEGMENT IF THERE WAS A COMPELLING REASON, CORRECT?
10:56:50AM >> WELL, THAT'S MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION BECAUSE I DID --
THAT'S ONE OF THE -- MS. POYNOR CAME TO ME AND SAID SHE
THOUGHT THERE MIGHT BE OPPOSITION.
SHE REALLY SAID SHE DIDN'T CARE.
SHE WANTED THIS PIECE DONE, IF IT CAME TO THAT, BECAUSE SHE
JUST WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEHIND HER HOUSE.
10:57:12AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NOTICED FOR MORE, WOULD BE DOING LESS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENOTICED.
10:57:17AM >> WHEN IT'S LESS YOU CAN DO THAT.
IN THE PAST WE WOULD DO THAT.
SAY OKAY, WE WANT TO DO JUST PART OF IT.
NOW THERE ARE ISSUES WITH TRANSPORTATION WANTING TO LOOK AT
THIS AGAIN AND TURNAROUND ISSUES WHICH DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF
SENSE BECAUSE IT IS UNIMPROVED.
10:57:32AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET'S SEE WHERE IT GOES.
I WANTED TO SEE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IF WE SHRANK DOWN
THE REQUEST, THEN MAYBE EVERYBODY COULD BE HAPPY.
10:57:42AM >> IN THE PAST WE HAVE REDUCED GOING TO A PARTIAL VACATION.
10:57:46AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
10:57:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY EYEBROWS ARE STARTING TO RAISE WITH THE
ALLEYS NOW.
COULD YOU PUT THE PHOTO UP WITH THE ALLEYWAY?
10:58:08AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THE OVERALL?
10:58:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE DEBRIS AND OVERGROWTH IN THE ALLEYWAY.
10:58:17AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THIS ONE?
10:58:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NO.
THE ACTUAL PHOTOGRAPH.
IT JUST RAISES QUESTIONS TO ME.
I LOOK AT THESE ALLEYWAYS NOW, WHAT IS THE CITY'S
RESPONSIBILITY OR THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
ALLEYWAYS.
10:58:35AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
IN TERMS OF KEEPING THEM MOWED?
ABUTTING OWNERS.
10:58:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL.
WE DON'T HAVE CODE GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE ALLEYWAYS.
10:58:46AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
CODE WILL GO OUT AND LOOK AT THEM AND
REPORT IF THEY ARE OVERGROWN OR FENCED.
THEY'LL CITE THE OWNERS BECAUSE BY CODE YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE PART THAT YOU ABUT TO THE CENTER LINE, TO KEEP IT
CLEAN, MOWED, TRIMMED UP.
YOU DO IT IN THE FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY, TOO.
10:59:10AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
NOT DOING OR WHAT WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO TO KEEP THE
BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CITY UP.
10:59:21AM >>BILL CARLSON:
I ASSUME WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEW BUSINESS
TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A WORKSHOP.
10:59:28AM >> PROBABLY BEST.
10:59:28AM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO YOU SAID THAT PART OF THIS VACATED
ALREADY.
IS THAT A STANDARD JUSTIFICATION FOR VACATING THE REMAINDER
OF AN ALLEY?
10:59:38AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
NO.
BUT WE CAN'T REALLY DO MUCH WITH A DEAD ENDED ALLEY IN TERMS
OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON IT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
THAT'S WHY ACTUALLY CODE REQUIRES WHEN YOU DO GO TO VACATE
AN ALLEY YOU ASK FOR THE WHOLE THING.
WE WON'T TAKE A PARTIAL VACATE OF THE ALLEY BECAUSE IT
DOESN'T NO GOOD TO HAVE -- IT DOES NO GOOD TO HAVE HALF OF
IT CLOSED.
THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, DID PARTIALS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
11:00:10AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYONE ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE?
11:00:14AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
YES.
11:00:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR SAY ANYTHING?
11:00:21AM >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR, 7709 LAND CARE LANE IN SOUTH
TAMPA.
WE PURCHASED THIS HOUSE IN AUGUST OF 2016.
WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, WE HAD A TREE THAT WAS ON THE
EASEMENT THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED.
IT RIPPED THE FENCE DOWN.
IT COST ME $500 TO HAVE MY TREE GUYS GO BACK THERE WITH A
BOBCAT TO REMOVE THE TRASH FROM THE EASEMENT.
THE EASEMENT IS CURRENTLY FENCED ON FOUR SIDES AND HAS BEEN
FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.
WHEN THE CITY VACATED THAT EASEMENT TO THE APARTMENTS NEXT
DOOR IN 2003, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE OWNERS
ON THE ALLEYWAY THAT DO HAVE -- USE THAT FOR ACCESS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN BECAUSE I TOOK PICTURES ON APRIL THE
15th AND I TOOK VIDEO YESTERDAY.
THERE ARE WEEDS BACK THERE THAT ARE TALLER THAN I AM.
WHEN SHE TOOK THE PICTURES, THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED IN THE
LAST TWO MONTHS.
THE FOLKS -- I'M SORRY.
HOW DO WE TURN THE PROJECTOR ON?
YOU GUYS CAN SEE IT.
I OWN PROPERTY NUMBER 8.
I HAVE A STATEMENT FROM PROPERTY OWNER NUMBER 17, WHO IS IN
THE SAME BOAT I AM.
WE ARE GARBAGE CLEANUP CREW.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE BEEN STANDING IN MY BACKYARD
WATCHING BOTTLES FLY OVER THE BRICK WALL THAT IS ON THE SIDE
OF MY PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE, WHERE THE APARTMENT OWNERS
ARE NEGLIGENT IN HAVING THE GARBAGE PICKED UP ON A REGULAR
BASIS.
HONESTLY, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST OF THE ALLEYWAY.
WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE PROPERTY BEHIND MY HOUSE.
I CANNOT PROPERLY UPKEEP IT.
I HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES WITH THEM.
I HAVE REPORTED THEM TO THE CITY SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS.
IF SOMEBODY WAS USING IT, I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT THIS PROPERTY
IS A NUISANCE.
I CALLED THE CITY THEN.
I CAME BACK AND I DID APPLY FOR THIS.
I UNDERSTAND FOLKS MAY USE THE ALLEYWAY OCCASIONALLY.
THE FOLKS FROM NUMBER 11 AND NUMBER 12 ARE HERE.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD
VAGRANTS BACK THERE.
VANDALISM BACK THERE.
PEOPLE WANT TO GO BACK THERE AND HIDE AND DO DRUGS.
MY LITTLE PIECE RIGHT HERE, THAT'S ALL I HONESTLY CARE
ABOUT.
BUT WHEN THEY VACATED IN 2003, IT CREATED A PROBLEM CALLED,
WE HAVE FILTH.
I HAVE VIDEO ON MY PHONE OF THE TRASH FROM YESTERDAY,
BECAUSE I WENT OUT THERE AND VIDEOTAPED OVER THE TOP OF MY
FENCE.
IF I HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE MY FENCE
TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT SHOULD BELONG TO ME
IF I HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE IT CLEANED UP.
FOR THIS POOR YOUNG LADY WHO BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND IT'S HER
VERY FIRST HOME, SHE'S ACTUALLY PICKED UP GARBAGE.
SHE TOLD ME, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE PICKING UP EVERY TIME I
HAVE A CHANCE.
SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT HER FENCE BACK THERE AND BE ABLE
TO MAINTAIN THAT AREA AND IT BELONGED TO HER IF SHE'S
EXPECTED TO BE DOING THE WORK.
LIKE I SAID, THESE FOLKS, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO
SPEAK TO YOU.
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN MY PROPERTY IN
SUCH A WAY THAT'S PRESENTABLE, THAT I CAN PROVIDE NICE
HOUSING FOR FOLKS AND REASONABLE HOUSING.
THAT'S WHAT I DO.
I'M A LANDLORD AND THIS IS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
I PROVIDE GOOD HOUSING FOR FOLKS, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE
ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BEHIND AND
WORRY ABOUT FILTH AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF BECAUSE THIS
PLACE WAS CORDONED OFF.
HAD THEY NOT DONE THAT, THERE WOULDN'T BE A WALL TO THROW
THINGS OVER.
I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHOW YOU VIDEOS THAT I TOOK
YESTERDAY OF THE PROPERTY.
11:04:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:04:27AM >> CAN I SUBMIT THIS LETTER FROM --
11:04:30AM >>LUIS VIERA:
YOU MAY GIVE IT TO OUR ATTORNEY, MR. SHELBY.
I ASSUME COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL PROBABLY WANT TO SEE THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
ANYTHING FURTHER, MA'AM, YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 63?
IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:04:55AM >> GOOD MORNING.
SUSANNA JOHNSON, REPRESENTING MR. AND MRS. JOHNSON,
RESIDENTS AT 3816 WEST WISCONSIN AVENUE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS
TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM THE APPLICANT'S RENTAL PROPERTY.
MY PARENTS DO ACTUALLY USE THAT.
IN THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE FLOOR TWO FREE-STANDING GARAGES,
ONE THAT IS BIG ENOUGH TO FIT A VEHICLE.
AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MENTIONED.
THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION OF ACTUALLY RESTRICTING THAT,
VACATING THAT ALLEYWAY BECAUSE THAT RESTRICTS THEIR ACCESS
TO THE REMAINDER USE OF THEIR PROPERTY BACK THERE AND
ALLOWING THEM TO BRING THE VEHICLE BACK IN THAT ALLEYWAY.
I DID ALSO SPEAK WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION TO
REDUCING THE APPLICATION AS ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY AND
RESTRICTING IT TO JUST THE APPLICANT'S RENTAL PROPERTY SO
LONG AS, AGAIN, THEY CAN STILL HAVE ACCESS TO MANEUVER LIKE
THEY NEED TO FOR THE BACK.
11:05:50AM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:05:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GO AHEAD, GUDES FIRST.
11:05:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU SAY THAT YOUR PARENTS HAVE GARAGES BACK
THERE.
11:06:01AM >> THAT'S CORRECT.
11:06:01AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S DRIVABLE THAT PORTION, WHERE THE
PROPERTY IS, IT'S DRIVABLE?
WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING DRIVABLE?
11:06:08AM >> TO GET DOWN, I DO BELIEVE IT IS.
MY DAD DRIVES A VERY LARGE TRUCK.
YOU CAN PROBABLY DRIVE UP CHURCH FROM THE SOUTH END, IOWA,
BLOCKED AT WISCONSIN.
11:06:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SHOW ME.
11:06:24AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THIS ONE IS 15 FEET OR 10 FEET?
11:06:28AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S RIGHT AT THE ALLEY.
THAT PART LOOKED THE MOST CLEAR.
ACCORDING TO MS. JOHNSON, HER PROPERTIES ARE ON WISCONSIN 9
AND 10.
11:06:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TWO QUESTIONS, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME.
11:07:01AM >> JOHNSON.
11:07:04AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO LOOKING AT THIS AERIAL, YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT YOUR PARENTS HAVE NINE AND TEN.
11:07:09AM >> I DO BELIEVE SO, YES.
JUST 10.
THANK YOU.
11:07:14AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JUST 10.
AND THEY HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK,
CINDER BLOCK?
11:07:22AM >> YES.
11:07:23AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IS THERE AN OPENING THAT FACES THE ALLEY?
11:07:26AM >> FACES THE ALLEYWAY, YES.
11:07:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HE USES IT PROBABLY NOT DAILY BUT USES IT
PERIODICALLY.
11:07:32AM >> CORRECT.
11:07:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TO GET HIS TRUCK IN AND OUT.
11:07:35AM >> CORRECT.
11:07:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT SEEING TRACKS IN THE
ALLEY.
11:07:38AM >> THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.
11:07:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MIGHT JUST GO UP AND DOWN PERIODICALLY.
11:07:42AM >> RIGHT.
11:07:42AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AS YOU TESTIFIED ON THEIR BEHALF, YOU
HAVE NO OBJECTION IF WE VACATE BEHIND 8 AND 17.
11:07:48AM >> NO, LIKE I SAID, SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT -- WHATEVER
VACATION DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR ACCESS TO GET BACK THERE,
THEY DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION.
11:07:59AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
BARBARA, TEN FOOT ALLEY OR 15?
11:08:04AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
THIS I THINK IS 20.
I BELIEVE IT'S 20.
11:08:19AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND LET US KNOW.
11:08:28AM >>BARBARA LYNCH:
I'LL HAVE TO CALL AND ASK.
IT'S AT LEAST 15, IF NOT 20.
ONE OF THE WIDER ALLEYS.
11:08:34AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:08:36AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:08:53AM >> HI.
MY NAME IS JULIE INGRAM QUINN.
MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 3820 WEST WISCONSIN AVENUE.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE NUMBER 12.
WE'RE AT THE END WHERE THE MAIN ROAD WOULD NORMALLY BE, BUT
IT'S ALL GRASS, AND WE'RE RIGHT ON THAT CORNER WHERE THE
ALLEY IS.
MY PARENTS, ROBERT AND JUANITA INGRAM WERE THE ORIGINAL
OWNERS, AND THEY BOUGHT IT IN 1965.
I GREW UP IN THE HOME AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING
THERE FOR THE LAST 14 YEARS.
OUR FAMILY HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED BOTH THAT ROAD THAT THE
CITY DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF AND THE ALLEY BEHIND IT.
OVER THE YEARS, THERE'S BEEN COUNTLESS TIMES THAT THERE'S
BEEN POLICE ACTION, HELICOPTERS FLYING OVER.
THEY'VE HAD DOGS COMING OUT BECAUSE WHEN THERE'S ACTIVITY
GOING IN THERE, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW YOU CAN GO DOWN THE
ROAD THAT'S BY OUR HOUSE, THROUGH THE ALLEY AND THEN OVER TO
IOWA.
A LOT OF TIMES THEY WERE HEADING OVER TO THE APARTMENTS ON
THE OTHER SIDE.
REGULARLY, THERE'S BEEN TEENAGERS AND ADULTS.
THEY GO BACK BEHIND OUR HOUSE AND THEY DO DRUGS AND LEAVE
THEIR DRUG PARAPHERNALIA.
WE HAVE TO PICK IT UP BECAUSE THERE ARE CHILDREN RUNNING
AROUND IN THE AREA AND SOMETIMES THEY WALK THROUGH THERE,
TOO.
WHAT ELSE DID I WANT TO SAY?
THERE'S BEEN HOMELESS PEOPLE ALSO.
WE REGULARLY HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE BACK THERE.
SOMETIMES THEY'LL CAMP OUT FOR ONE DAY, TWO DAYS, EITHER WE
GO CLEAN IT UP OR THEY PICK UP THEIR STUFF AND MOVE BECAUSE
WE HAVE THE POLICE COME AND SAY, YOU KNOW, PLEASE MOVE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS CLOSED.
I REALIZE BACK A WAYS, THEY HAD PART OF THE ALLEY CLOSED,
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE AT THE TIME MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE
HAD A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING GOING ON THAT HE NEEDED ACCESS
TO HIS GARAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE NO LONGER HAS A BUSINESS, AND SO IT'S
JUST HIS PERSONAL USE OVER THE REST OF US HAVING TO
MAINTAIN.
AS I SAID, ALL THESE YEARS, MOWING AND SPENDING OUR MONEY
TAKING CARE OF THIS PROBLEM.
IT WOULD BE SO GREAT TO HAVE THAT CLOSED.
AND EVEN IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD THOSE PEOPLE HANGING AROUND
BACK THERE CAUSE FIRES.
WE'VE HAD OUR -- WE'VE HAD OUR GARAGE -- NOT OUR GARAGE, OUR
BUILDING -- SHED IN THE BACK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THE SHED IN THE BACK BURNED DOWN, AND WE HAD TO BUILD
ANOTHER ONE.
AS I'M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU THAT IT IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM
WITH HAVING PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AREA IN A NEGATIVE
WAY.
SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU WOULD GRANT US TO HAVE THE
WHOLE ALLEYWAY CLOSED.
THANK YOU.
I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:12:02AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM.
NEXT.
11:12:07AM >> HELLO.
MY NAME IS BRIAN PEREZ.
I AM RINA PEREZ'S SON.
MY MOM AND DAD ARE RETIRED CUSTODIANS.
THEY HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
THEY USED TO LIVE IN WESLEY CHAPEL.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE TWO KIDS.
THEY WANTED TO MOVE CLOSER TO OUR KIDS SO THEY COULD BABY
SIT.
THEY MOVED TO SOUTH TAMPA, AND THEY PURCHASED 3818.
THEY ARE RETIRED, AND THEY HAD TO GO BACK THERE PLENTY OF
TIMES TO CLEAN UP AND MOW.
THEY WOULD LIKE IT IF THAT PORTION, THAT ALLEY BECAME THEIRS
AS WELL, BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD TO GO BACK THERE AND MOW AND
CLEAN UP AS WELL.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THERE AS LONG AS RICHARD, BUT THEY'VE
OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE BACK THERE AND CLEANED UP, TOO.
11:13:01AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:13:03AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SIR, MS. LYNCH, COULD YOU PUT UP THE
TIGHTER MAP.
SIR, IF YOU COULD PERHAPS IDENTIFY WHERE YOUR FAMILY'S
PROPERTY IS ON THAT ONE BY NUMBER.
THE LAST LADY WHO WAS UP WAS PROPERTY 12.
11:13:25AM >> WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO RICHARDS.
WE'RE NUMBER 10.
11:13:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
10 OR 11.
11:13:32AM >> 11, SORRY.
11:13:38AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT IS YOUR PROPERTY --
11:13:40AM >> MY MOM.
SHE'S HERE.
I'M SPEAKING ON HER BEHALF BECAUSE SHE ONLY SPEAKS SPANISH.
11:13:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:13:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
GRACIAS.
ANYONE ELSE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER
63?
OKAY.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO HAVE ANY REBUTTAL OR ANY
ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS?
YOU'VE GOT TO COME FORWARD FOR THAT AND STATE YOUR NAME,
PLEASE.
11:14:05AM >> STEPHANIE POYNOR.
7709 LAND CARE LANE.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE MINE.
THAT'S ALL.
I THINK MS. KELSEY -- I FORGOT HER LAST NAME, WOULD LIKE TO
HAVE -- IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLEANING IT UP,
THEN GIVE IT TO US.
THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.
I CAN AGREE WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS.
I'M NOT HERE TO CAUSE A CONTROVERSY.
I'M HERE TO CURE A PROBLEM.
THE FILTH, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO POP MY PHONE OVER HERE AND
SHOW YOU THE FILTH BEHIND MY FENCE, IF YOU LIKE.
THAT IS MY PRIMARY GOAL IS TO GET IT TO WHERE WE CAN MANAGE
IT.
11:14:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO ASSUMING THAT WE DO SOMETHING, AND
ASSUMING WE VACATE, AT A MINIMUM BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S
YOUR INTENTION FROM WHAT YOU TESTIFIED TO OR CORRECT ME IF
I'M WRONG, THAT YOU WILL BUILD A FENCE BACK TO THE MIDDLE OF
THE LINE AND FENCE IT OFF.
11:15:04AM >> YES, SIR.
11:15:04AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
TO THE MIDDLE --
11:15:06AM >> ACTUALLY, IT'S FENCED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BEHIND MY
PROPERTY.
11:15:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHAT I'M SAYING, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE
THAT FENCE AND PUT IT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY.
11:15:13AM >> YES, SIR, I WOULD.
THAT WAY WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO BEHIND THE FENCE.
11:15:17AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SOUNDS TO ME PERHAPS PROPERTY 17 ON THE
OTHER SIDE WOULD DO THE SAME.
11:15:21AM >> WELL, SHE WOULD PROBABLY ENJOY THE FURNISHMENT OF MY
FENCE INSTEAD OF BUILDING HER OWN.
I HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE.
SHE HAS A CHAIN-LINK.
SHE IS MUCH YOUNGER --
11:15:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE ANY
USE OF THE ALLEY WOULD BE BLOCKED.
11:15:38AM >> IT'S ALREADY BLOCKED, SIR.
11:15:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IN TERMS OF BLOCKED WITH A FENCE.
11:15:42AM >> IT'S BLOCKED ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
11:15:44AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING
THROUGH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
11:15:49AM >> BECAUSE THEY LIVE AT THE OTHER END.
THEY LIVE AT NUMBER 12.
11:15:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
LET'S SAY SOMEBODY IS RUNNING AWAY FROM
THE COPS OR SOMETHING, RIGHT NOW CAN THEY ONLY GO UP TO HOW
FAR?
11:16:00AM >> THEY CAN GO TO THIS SIDE.
BETWEEN 8 AND 9 BECAUSE THAT IS A SIX-FOOT-HIGH CHAIN-LINK
FENCE.
11:16:08AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL
UNDERSTOOD THAT.
THANK YOU.
11:16:15AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
THANK YOU.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH TAKING ITEM 63,
SIR?
11:16:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING
AND ABANDONING A CERTAIN PORTION OF AN ALLEYWAY/RIGHT-OF-WAY
LYING SOUTH OF WISCONSIN AVENUE, NORTH OF IOWA AVENUE, EAST
OF CHURCH STREET AND WEST OF DALE MABRY HIGHWAY IN INTERBAY,
A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1,
HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT, RESERVATIONS,
COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY SET
FORTH HEREIN, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:17:04AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
A SECOND BY SORRY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:17:11AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE
MOTION TO SPECIFICALLY LIMIT THE VACATING TO BEHIND
PROPERTIES 8 AND 17.
AND I DON'T KNOW FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE IF THAT'S JUST
GOING TO BE -- THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT EXHIBIT OR A
DIFFERENT DESCRIPTION OR WHAT, BUT I THINK MY AMENDMENT --
OR MY MOTION -- MY MOTION IS PRETTY CLEAR.
IT'S BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD. NUMBER ONE,
THE PETITIONER ONLY CARED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT VACATING HER --
THE PROPERTY BEHIND HER ALLEY.
THIS ONE IS UNUSUAL.
IT'S UNUSUAL BECAUSE BACK IN 2002, I'M GLAD TO SAY I WAS NOT
ON THE COUNCIL BACK IN 2002, THAT COUNCIL VACATED PART OF
THE ALLEY.
THAT CREATES ISSUES.
IT'S CREATED AN ISSUE HERE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STUCK WITH.
NOW THE YOUNG LADY, MS. JOHNSON'S FAMILY, IN PROPERTY NUMBER
10, HER FATHER HAS A GARAGE AND HE ACCESSES IT PERIODICALLY
AND HAS AN INVESTMENT, AND HE LIKES HAVING THE ABILITY TO GO
UP AND DOWN THERE PERIODICALLY AND GET TO HIS WORK SPACE TO
USE THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD RESPECT THAT AS MUCH AS WE RESPECT THE
PETITIONER'S REQUEST AS WELL, AS MUCH AS WE RESPECT THE
FOLKS ON THE CORNER, AND I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT TO THE
FOLKS IN NUMBER 12.
BUT WE HAVE TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT.
AND I THINK THAT BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY, I'D LIKE TO
OFFER, I HOPE, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO LIMIT
THE VACATING TO THE PROPERTY BEHIND 8 AND 17 ONLY.
I'M LOOKING FOR A FRIENDLY SECOND.
11:19:12AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE'LL GET LEGAL, DOES THAT PASS LEGAL MUSTER,
SO TO SPEAK?
11:19:18AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE ORDINANCE ON FIRST
READING?
11:19:22AM >> SINCE YOU'RE DIMINISHING THE ORIGINAL REQUEST -- JULIE
HARDY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:19:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THAT IS WITH THE CHANGES TO BE MADE BETWEEN
FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:19:36AM >>JULIE HARDY:
YES.
11:19:38AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE MAKER OF THE MOTION ACCEPTED AND
SECONDED MY FRIENDLY.
11:19:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
WHO SECONDS THE UNIFIED MOTION?
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES WITH A FRIENDLY
AMENDMENT BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
11:19:58AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
TRUST BUT VERIFY, ESPECIALLY WHEN DO HORSE RACING.
I DON'T MIND VOTING TODAY, BUT I'M GOING TO GO TAKE MY TIME
AND GO LOOK AT THE ALLEY AND TAKE MY PICTURES AND DO
EVERYTHING I CAN DO SO I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING.
THANK YOU.
11:20:18AM >>THE CLERK:
SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON --
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]
[INAUDIBLE]
11:20:24AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 64 AND COUNCILMAN CITRO, I THINK, HAS A
STATEMENT ON THIS.
11:20:30AM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
HAVING BEEN PARTY OF THE REVIEW BOARD, I HAVE TO HAVE RECUSE
MYSELF FROM THIS, AND I WILL BE FILING A FORM 8-B.
11:20:39AM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:20:40AM >> 8-B.
11:20:43AM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOW WE GO TO -- YES, SIR?
TO ITEM 64.
GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:20:47AM >> THANK YOU.
11:20:52AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN HANDED A LOT OF PAPERWORK.
I WILL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH IT VERY QUICKLY.
THIS IS -- JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE RECORD, I REVIEWED THESE
MINUTES FROM THIS MEETING BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
COUNCILMAN CITRO WAS A VRB MEMBER ON THAT AT THAT POINT.
SO HE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF.
MR. DINGFELDER, I REVIEWED IT AND YOU WERE NOT AT THAT
HEARING.
SO YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF FROM THIS.
11:21:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WAS AN ALTERNATE BUT I DON'T THINK I
WAS THERE THAT NIGHT.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S NO REASON FOR ME TO RECUSE.
CORRECT?
11:22:04AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
CORRECT.
ALL RIGHT.
SO I AM GOING TO KNOW VERY QUICKLY GO OVER THE BASICS OF
VARIANCES FOR OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, SINCE THIS IS THE
FIRST ONE OF THESE YOU ARE SEEING.
THIS IS AN APPEAL FROM VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
VARIANCE REVIEWED BOARD REVIEWED THIS AND MADE A DECISION
BASED ON THE CODE CRITERIA, AND APPEALED TO YOU.
WHEN IT'S REPEALED TO YOU, THIS IS A BRAND NEW HEARING.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REFER TO WHAT THE VRB DID.
YOU CAN LOOK TO WHAT THEY DID, BUT THIS IS A BRAND NEW
HEARING IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO THE CONCEPT, THE VARIANCES UNDER OUR CODE -- UNDER OUR
CODE, UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP OR DIFFICULTY.
AND UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP IS DEFINED IN THE CASE LAW, AND IT
IS SOMETHING THAT IS THAT RENDERS THE LAND VIRTUALLY
IMPOSSIBLE TO USE IT FOR THE MANNER FOR WHICH IT HAS BEEN
ZONED.
SO TAKING OUT OF THAT, IT'S A CHARACTERISTIC OF A PROPERTY
IN QUESTION, AND THIS IS WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT
VARIANCES.
IT IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION THAT CAUSES THESE HARDSHIPS
TO THE PERSON.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUTDATED BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THE
LAND FOR THE PURPOSE OR MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS ZONED.
A LITTLE BIT MORE, DIFFICULTY, BUT THE CONCEPT BEHIND THESE
ARE EVERYONE IN THE AREA GENERALLY IS PERMITTED TO DO
SOMETHING, WHETHER IT'S HAVE A POOL, OR A CARPORT, OR, YOU
KNOW, A HOUSE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS LAND
THAT IT NEVER ALLOWED THIS PERSON TO DO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OTHERWISE ALLOWED TO DO.
SO THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY IS ALONG THE SAME LINE, WHEN THE
CODE AS APPLIED UNREASONABLY DENSE THE PROPERTY OWNER THE
ABILITY TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR A PERMITTED USE THAT OTHERS
ARE GENERALLY ABLE TO DO.
AGAIN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL CONDITIONS.
SO CLASSIC EXAMPLE THAT YOU WILL SEE, YOU SEE HERE THERE'S A
TRIANGULAR LOT, LIKE THAT CREATES A VERY UNUSUAL
CIRCUMSTANCE WHEN YOU HAVE THESE TYPES OF UNUSUAL-SHAPED
LOTS.
THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE LOTS ARE PLATTED UNUSUALLY
SMALL FOR THEIR DISTRICT.
THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT THIS LOT OR A STRUCTURE ON
THE PROPERTY.
SOMETIMES YOU WILL SEE VARIANCES AS A RESULT OF A TREE.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS LOT THAT'S
PREVENTING THIS PERSON FROM DOING WHAT ANYONE ELSE WOULD
OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED TO DO.
AND THIS DRAWING, HERE IS AN ACTUAL CASE.
A LOT WAS VERY SMALL PONE AND IT WAS NOT DEVELOPABLE IN THE
MANNER WHICH MOST PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO DEVELOP THE LOT, AND
THE PERSON SAW A VARIANCE, BUT WHAT THE COURT SAID IS THAT
ALL OF THESE LOTS IN THE SUBDIVISION ARE THE SAME SIZE.
THE FACT THAT THESE LOTS ARE TOO SMALL, AND NEEDED
REDUCTION, SETBACK TO BUILD THE HOUSE YOU WANT TO BUILD,
THAT IS A PROBLEM THESE COMMON TO ALL OF THE LOTS IN THIS
AREA.
AND THAT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF A VARIANCE.
IN THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS -- AND THIS IS WHERE IT BECOMES
VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF YOU, WHEN YOU SEE THESE REVIEW
HEARINGS, WHEN YOU ARE SEEING REVIEW HEARINGS, A LOT OF THE
SAME THING.
11:25:40AM >>LUIS VIERA:
I KNOW ONE THAT HAS COME UP, NOT IN THE RECENT
PAST, FRONT PORCHES, A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEK A VARIANCE TO HAVE
FRONT PORCHES.
IT IS NOT REALLY THE SUBJECT OF A VARIANCE.
THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO
ADDRESS THROUGH LEGISLATIVE ACTION AMENDING THE ZONING CODE.
SO IF WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
PROPERTY, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL THAT SHOULD BE
ALLOWED, IT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS AND NOT THROUGH VARIANCES.
SO THE CASE LAW, THE HARDSHIP CANNOT BE -- FOR EXAMPLE, ONE
THAT COMES UP SOMETIMES, PEOPLE WILL BE SAY IT'S VERY
EXPENSIVE FOR ME TO TAKE DOWN THE STRUCTURE THAT I BUILT
ILLEGALLY.
THAT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE HARDSHIP.
AND ON THAT SAME CONCEPT THEY CAN'T BE A MERE ECONOMIC
ADVANTAGE.
THAT WOULD NOT BE A HARD.
SHE AND THE HARDSHIP CANNOT BE PERSONAL.
WE RECENTLY AMENDED OUR CODE, I THIS I IT WHATS LAST YEAR,
TO ADD REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU
HAVE PEOPLE OF THAT HAVE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, A WHEELCHAIR
RAMP AND THEY DON'T HAVE ASSISTANCE OR THEY HAVE ASTHMA AND
THEY NEED AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE.
SO WE AMENDED OUR CODE TO HAVE ALLOW PERSONAL THINGS TO BE
DONE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WHEN THAT PERSON LEAVES THE
PROPERTY IT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
THOSE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS ARE PERSONAL.
VARIANCES, ON THE OTHER HAND, RUN WITHIN THE LAND.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU ARE REVIEWING THESE FOR THESE
PARTICULAR PURPOSES YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT'S UNUSUAL
ABOUT THE LAND BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED
FOR ALL TIME, NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PERSON.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S A VERY SHORT VERSION OF VARIANCES.
I CAN TALK ALL DAY ABOUT IT BUT IT'S WON'T.
SO GOING OVER A COUPLE OF ITEMS
ON THIS PARTICULAR VARIANCE, SO THIS WAS HEARD BY THE
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
THE BOARD DENIED THEIR REQUEST FOR A SETBACK REDUCTION.
AND THE BASIS OF THAT, THEY FOUND THAN IT WAS A SELF-CREATED
HARDSHIP.
THIS IS IN THE PACKET FOR YOUR REFERENCE AND USE.
AS WELL AS THESE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING.
YOU CAN SEE THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK PLACE BY THE VARIANCE
REVIEW BOARD.
AGAIN WE ARE NOT BOUND BY. THIS IT'S JUST THERE INFORM YOUR
INFORMATION AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
YOU ALSO HAVE, IN THAT PACKET I PROVIDED YOU, A LITTLE
OUTLINE OF HOW THESE REVIEW HEARINGS TYPICALLY WORK.
THAT'S JUST THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE TO ASSIST YOU AS YOU GO
THROUGH THIS HEARING.
THESE ARE THE VARIANCE CRITERIA. THESE ARE THE CRITERIA
THAT YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR TO DETERMINE IF THE VARIANCE IS
CONSISTENT WITH THEM, OR IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT CONSISTENT
WITH THEM.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND THAT EACH OF THESE CRITERIA ARE
MET.
YOU DO HAVE TO REVIEW THEM ALL.
BUT MAYBE ONE OF THEM SPEAKS MORE TO THIS PARTICULAR
VARIANCE.
ANOTHER ONE, THAT IS FINE, AND THEN JUST FOR YOUR
EDIFICATION, THERE'S A TIME LIMIT OF TWO YEARS ON ALL THE
VARIANCES.
IF PEOPLE DON'T USE THE VARIANCES IN TWO YEARS IT GOES AWAY.
SO THAT IS FOR YOUR GENERAL INFORMATION.
THESE ARE THE POSSIBLE MOTIONS THAT YOU CAN MAKE TODAY.
YOU CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION WHICH WAS A DENIAL.
YOU CAN OVERTURN THE BOARD DECISION AND APPROVE THE
VARIANCE.
OR IF YOU FIND THAT THERE IS SOMETHING FURTHER THAT NEEDS TO
BE ADDED TO IT, YOU CAN ALSO REMAND TO THE BOARD.
THOSE ARE THE AVAILABLE CONDITIONS THERE FOR YOUR USE.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
I TURN IT OVER TO ERIC IT COULD THAN OH TO TELL YOU ABOUT
THE FACTS OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
ERIC COTTON.
11:29:52AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
11:29:58AM >>KRISTIN MORA:
A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP, THE ONE WHERE IT
BECOMES TRICKY IS IF SOMEONE DIVIDES THE LOT THEMSELVES.
THAT BECOMES A REAL QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S
SELF-CREATED.
GENERALLY YOU ARE LOOKING AT, IS THEREBY SOMETHING UNUSUAL
ABOUT THIS LOT OR A BUILDING ON THE LOT THAT IS CREATING THE
PROBLEM?
SITUATIONS WHERE IT MIGHT BE SELF-CREATED IS IF THEY HAVE
BUILT SOMETHING WITHOUT THE CORRECT APPROVALS, IF THAT'S A
PROBLEM, IF THEY HAVE BOXED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER, IN
OTHER WORDS, IF THEY DEVELOPED THE ENTIRE LOT AND NOW THEY
WANT ONE MORE THING.
OVERBUILDING A LOT IS A SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
SO YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE DONE
SOMETHING THAT HAS CAUSED THIS PROBLEM THAT THEY ARE FACING.
11:30:56AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
11:31:03AM >>ERIC COTTON:
LAND DEVELOPMENT.
PLANNING, DESIGN DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF -- BECAUSE OF A DEATH IN THE FAMILY
COULD NOT BE HERE THIS MORNING.
THIS IS 177 CYPRUS AVENUE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
PAUL AND KATHLEEN CALDARELLI.
THEY WERE REPRESENTED BY ANTHONY SEVERINO.
THE BOARD MOVED TO DENY THE REQUEST.
THE CASE WAS THEN CONTINUED DUE TO INSUFFICIENT VOTE OF THE
BOARD BECAUSE THERE WERE ONLY FIVE BOARD MEMBERS VERSUS
SEVEN.
THEY CAME BACK ON MARCH 12th.
THEY AMENDED THEIR REQUEST FOR RELIEF, SAID THE ORIGINAL
REQUEST WAS FROM FIVE FEET TO ONE FOOT, REQUESTED FROM 5
FEET TO 3.4 FEET.
SECTION 290.5, IS 5 FEET.
THEY ALSO AGREED TO A CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD NOT INCREASE
THE HEIGHT -- THE HEIGHT LIMITATION WOULD BE 15 FEET.
THERE ARE SOME ILLUSTRATIONS.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
AT THE CORNER OF CYPRUS AVENUE.
SPECIFICALLY THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.
THE HOUSE AND THE POOL WERE BOTH BUILT TOGETHER IN 2018.
THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IN 2017.
THE POOL AND HOUSE WERE ALL BUILT AT THE SAME TIME FRAME.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THE FRONT.
THIS IS THE CORNER VIEW FROM BLANCA.
AND IN THE PACKET I FOUND SOME PHOTOS WHICH I BELIEVE WERE
SUBMITTED I BELIEVE AT THE HEARING.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE POOL.
AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THEIR SKIMMER BASKET.
AND ANOTHER PICTURE OF THE SKIMMER BASKET.
THIS IS A PICTURE, I BELIEVE, THIS IS FACING FROM THEIR
PROPERTY, I BELIEVE A PICTURE OF THE TREES FACING TO THE
NORTH, TO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND THEM.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL TRY TO ANSWER THEM
REGARDING THE CODE.
11:33:32AM >>CHAIRMAN:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
11:33:37AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. COTTON.
IT APPEARED WITHOUT GETTING TOO SCIENTIFIC OR ANYTHING, IN
THE SKIMMER PICTURES, IT APPEARED TO BE OAK LEAVES,
SOMETHING A LITTLE SMALLER THAN THE MAGNOLIA.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING?
11:33:55AM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES.
I MEAN, I AM NOT AN ARBORIST.
11:34:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MAYBE A MIXTURE OF THE MAGNOLIA ON THE
RIGHT THERE, THE LARGER ONE, AND THEN PERHAPS SOME SMALLER
LEAVES.
I GUESS WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS IN THE ORIGINAL HEARING,
DID THE SUBJECT COME UP ABOUT PRUNING BACK THE TREES THAT
MIGHT BE CAUSING THIS?
11:34:21AM >>ERIC COTTON:
THERE IS A LETTER OF OBJECTION IN THE PACKET
WHICH I BELIEVE WAS IN THE HANDOUT I GAVE TO COUNCIL.
FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY SAID THAT THEIR TREES, MAGNOLIA, GRAND OAK, WERE
TRIMMED BACK, BUT THEY CONTINUE TO SAY THEY WENT PAST THE
PROPERTY LINE ANOTHER FIVE FEET TO TRIM BACK THE TREES.
11:34:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO THE SUBJECT DID COME UP.
11:34:48AM >>ERIC COTTON:
YES, SIR.
11:34:49AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING ELSE?
THANK YOU, SIR.
APPLICANT.
11:34:53AM >> ANTHONY SEVERINO ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANTS, PAUL AND
KATHLEEN CALLED A REALLY.
I DO HAVE THE TWO DVDS FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING.
11:35:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SUBMIT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
11:35:21AM >> I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS FROM MR. COTTON'S
PRESENTATION FIRST.
THE INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO GO FROM FIVE FEET TO FOUR FEET ON
ONE SECTION AND 57 FEET TO 3.4 FEET.
IT WAS READ WRONG WHEN THEY DID THE APPLICATION AND WE
ACTUALLY AMENDED IT AT THE FIRST HEARING TO CORRECT IT SO IT
WAS ALWAYS 5 TO 4 AND 5 TO 3.4.
THE OTHER THING, THE OBJECTION LETTER, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS
THAT REAL BRIEFLY AS FAR AS PRUNING THE TREES BACK AND
TRIMMING THEM.
MY CLIENT DID HAVE A TREE COMPANY COME IN, TRIM THOSE TREES.
DESPITE WHAT THE LETTER SAID, IT WAS ACTUALLY WITH THE
NEIGHBOR'S APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO ONTO THEIR
PROPERTY TO TAKE THE BUCKET TRUCKS TO TRIM THE TREES.
SO THEY KNOCKED ON THEIR DOOR, ASKED TO GO BACK THERE AND
CUT THEM AND THEY SAID YES.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN TRIMMED.
NATURAL RESOURCES HAS ADVISED US THOSE CANNOT BE TRIMMED ANY
FURTHER, OR IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THEY ARE GRAND OAKS AND
MAGNOLIAS.
AND SO JUST SOME BRIEF HISTORY, HOW WE GOT HERE.
THE FIRST HEARING WAS FEBRUARY 12th.
WE SUBMITTED EVIDENCE IN SUPPORT OF THE VARIANCE.
THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, MR. RIEMANN OBJECTED PRIMARILY
BASED ON THE ARGUMENT THAT IT WOULD REDUCE THE VALUE OF HIS
PROPERTY.
THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE SUBMITTED TO THAT.
WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY THAT IT WOULD
INCREASE THE VALUE OR AT A MINIMUM MAINTAIN THE VALUE OF THE
PROPERTY.
THE BOARD HELD A DISCUSSION, AND ULTIMATELY THEY FOCUSED ON
THE SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP ASPECT OF THIS ISSUE.
AGAIN, THE BOARD WAS SPLIT, SO WE CAME BACK AGAIN, SUBMITTED
ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE.
THIS TIME, MR. RYAN HANDLED MR. GRANDOFF TO ARGUE ON THEIR
BEHALF, AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES MR. GRANDOFF
ABANDONED THE REDUCTION IN PROPERTY VALUE ARGUMENT AND
REALLY FOCUSED ON THE SELF-CREATED HARM.
AND THAT WAS ALL BASED ON ESSENTIALLY THE DATE THAT MY
CLIENTS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
I WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THERE, WHEN THEY
PURCHASED IT, WHAT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE WHEN THEY PURCHASED
IT, AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT.
THE BUILDER TB HOMES PURCHASED IT AS A SPEC HOME IN NOVEMBER
2015, THE HOME WENT ON THE MARKET IN ABOUT JUNE OF 2016, AT
WHICH TIME WHEN IT WEPT ON THE MARKET THE HOUSE PLANS, THE
HOME FOOTPRINT AND THE POOL FOOTPRINT WERE ALREADY PERMITTED
IN PLACE.
MY CLIENTS THEN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN APRIL 2017.
THEY DID NOT DESIGN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME OR THE POOL.
IT WAS ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINUTES AT THE LAST HEARING WHAT WHERE
IT WAS DENIED, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE DENIAL IS THAT THE
APPLICANT BUILT THE HOME AND POOL IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION
WAS THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE EXISTING TREES, ANY HARDSHIP OF THE
TREES ARE SELF-CREATED.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THEY DIDN'T BUILD THE HOME THERE.
THE BUILDER BUILT IT.
THEY PURCHASED IT WITH THE POOL AND HOUSE ALREADY IN PLACE.
AND TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE THESE TREES ARE, MR. COTTON
SHOWED -- WE ACTUALLY HAD DONE A SURVEY PRAYER TO THE SECOND
HEARING.
YOU CAN SEE THE THREE TREES IN QUESTION.
THIS IS NUMBER ONE WHICH IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO
THE NORTH.
THE SECOND ONE IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
THEN THE THIRD TREE IS SHARED BETWEEN MY CLIENT AND
THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
AND JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROBLEM AS
IT PERTAINS TO MY CLIENT, THIS IS A GOOGLE EARTH, AND
PRINTED IT YESTERDAY, AND YOU CAN SEE, THE FIRST THING YOU
CAN SEE, THE LACK OF FOLIAGE AROUND THAT.
IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THIS IS MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY.
OKAY.
THESE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE IN QUESTION AND ARE CAUSING
QUITE FRANKLY AN UNTENABLE DAY TO DAY MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
YOU IS A YOU THE PICTURES OF THE POOL SUCKERS, THE PICTURES
OF THE POOL.
WE TOOK PICTURES EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR A MONTH TO SHOW WHAT
HAPPENED EVERY DAY EVEN THOUGH WE CLEANED IT EVERY DAY, HAD
A POOL COMPANY COME ONCE A WEEK.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF THE POOL.
THE REST IS COVERED BY THESE TREES.
THEY HAVE BEEN TRIMMED BACK SOME BUT IT DIDN'T ALLEVIATE THE
PROBLEM.
AND ALL OF THAT IS IN THE RECORD.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IT'S UNDISPUTED, ONE, THAT THE
TREES ARE CAUSING THIS ISSUE ARE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WHICH IS SHARED BETWEEN MY CLIENT
AND THE NEIGHBOR.
AND TWO, THESE TREES ARE CONTINUALLY ON A DAILY BASIS
DROPPING LEAVES AND DEBRIS IN THE POOL AND THAT MAKES AT
NIGHT MAYOR TO CLEAN UP TO USE THE POOL.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS FOR REQUESTING THIS VARIANCE
TO PUT THE POOL SCREEN IN.
AND A LITTLE HISTORY.
THEY PREVIOUSLY LIVED ON DAVIS ISLAND AND HAD A POOL THAT
HAD A SCREEN. THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE FOR THEM.
BEFORE THAT THEY LIVED IN ATLANTA AND LONDON, AND DIDN'T
HAVE A POOL SO IT WASN'T SOMETHING THEY EXPECTED.
YOU CAN SEE THE IDEA ON DAVIS ISLAND, MOST EVERYONE WANTS A
POOL.
THAT'S THE WAY THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY JUST CAN'T DO THAT WITH THESE TREES.
AND SO WE GET TO THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION,
WHY IS THE NEIGHBOR OBJECTING TO THIS?
THERE'S NO REAL IMPACT.
THE PRACTICAL REALITY IS WE ARE ASKING 12 INCHES IN ONE
PORTION AND 18 INCHES IN ANOTHER PORTION TO PUT A POOL
SCREEN UP.
OKAY.
WE ARE NOT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE SETBACK, TO THE
PROPERTY LINE.
WE ARE JUST HAVING ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT THE POOL SCREEN IN SO
THEIR TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, THEY HAVE
A FOOT, 18 INCHES, THEY CAN CLIMB UP ON THE SIDE F.THEY HAVE
FRIENDS OVER, SAME THING.
IT'S NOT TO BE ABLE TO WALK BACK THERE AND DO THINGS.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE EXTRA ROOM FOR SAFETY PRECAUTION.
THE CODE FOR POOLS IS FIVE FEET SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY
LINE.
AND THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE THE SAME THING FOR SCREEN
ENCLOSURES.
SO THEY BUY THE POOL FROM THE BUILDER, IT'S UP TO CODE, AND
THEY FIND OUT THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEY WANT TO PUT A SCREEN
IN, AND THEN THEY BASICALLY ARE LEFT WITH INCHES TO DO THAT
IF THEY EVEN HAVE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THE 18 INCHES AND 12 INCHES.
LIKE I SAID, WE TRIED TO MITIGATE THIS ISSUE, TRIM THE
TREES.
WE TRADE THE CREEPY CRAWLER, THE LEAVES BASICALLY BURNT IT
UP BECAUSE THEY WERE SO BIG GETTING IN THERE.
THEY CLEAN IT DAILY.
THEY HAVE A POOL COMPANY COME. THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY
REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE WE HAVE LEFT.
AND SO I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY PERFORM A
BALANCING TEST HERE OF BALANCING THE HARDSHIP, WHICH IS
REALLY UNREFUTED HERE, VERSUS THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBOR,
WHICH THERE IS SOME REAL OR PRACTICAL IMPACT.
WHETHER IT'S FIVE FEET OR FOUR FEET, IT'S GOING TO BE THE
EXACT SAME THING AS IT PERTAINS TO THE APRON.
FINALLY, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE, IS
THE VARIANCE THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED IS CONSISTENT WITH
PREVIOUS VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT ARE APPROVALS BY THE
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
AND EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ADDRESSED TODAY IS IN THE RECORD.
AND I WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS VARIANCE REVIEW
BOARD DECISIONS, AND I GOT ALSO FROM THE RECORD THAT ARE
NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE IN VRB 19-26
AND WERE APPROVED.
VRB 08-101, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD
SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO ZERO FEET, AND REDUCE THE EAST
SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE TO ZERO FEET TO ALLOW FOR POOL
SCREENING.
THE APPLICANT ARGUED THAT THE EXISTING TREE CAP OPEN I IS
CAUSING THE PARTIAL HARDSHIP.
THE VARIANCE WAS APPROVED 6 TO 1.
11:43:46AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHERE WAS THIS?
11:43:48AM >> THE ADDRESS IS 2904 WEST LAKE AVENUE.
AND I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ON DAVIS ISLAND.
THE NEXT IS VRB 11-06, REDUCE THE REAR AND SIDE YARD
SETBACKS FROM FIVE FEET TO ONE FOOT TO CONSTRUCT A POOL
ENCLOSURE.
APPLICANT ADDRESSED THE BOARD AND SHOWED THE FOUR TREES ON
THE SITE.
TREES WERE SMALL BUT AS TIME WENT BY IF TREES BECAME A
PROBLEM.
VARIANCE WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0.
VRB 11-23 REDUCE THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS FROM FIVE
TO TWO FEET.
APPLICANT SHOWED PICTURES OF OAK TREES THAT ARE ON ADJACENT
PROPERTIES WHICH DROPPED LEAVES INTO THE POOL.
HE ALSO SHOWED PICTURES OF THE POOL AND REAR YARD.
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY APPROVING THE VARIANCE.
VR B-12-19, BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL, CONSTRUCT A POOL AND SCREEN
ENCLOSURE.
THIS ONE IS RELEVANT BECAUSE IT WAS ESTABLISHED AT THE
HEARING THAT THE POOL CONTRACTOR PICKED THE LOCATION OF THE
POOL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.
MY CLIENTS DID NOT PICK THE LOCATION OF THE POOL.
AND IT WAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0.
VRB-14-9.
THIS IS ON DAVIS ISLAND.
REDUCE SIDE YARD FROM 5 FEET TO TWO FEET AND THE REAR YARD
FROM FIVE FOOT TO ONE FOOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE
SCREEN ENCLOSURE.
AGAIN, THE MOTION PASSED 5-1 APPROVING THE VARIANCE.
THE NEXT ONE VRB-16-32, AGAIN DAVIS ISLAND, REDUCE THE SIDE
YARD FROM FIVE FEET TO THREE FEET, FROM THE REAR YARD FROM
FIVE FEET TO FOUR FEET FOR FULL SCREEN ENCLOSURE ALMOST
IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IN THIS CASE.
THE MOTION WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0.
AND THEN VRB 17-58, REDUCE THE REQUIRED SETBACK FOR SCREEN
ENCLOSURE FROM 5-FOOT TO 1 FEET TO INSTALL POOL CAPABLE.
AGAIN, MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
AND LASTLY, THIS IS VRB 05-78.
THIS IS TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO
TWO FEET TO KEEP AN EXISTING POOL CAGE.
IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT HAD PUT UP THE POOL CAGE WITHOUT
THE PERMIT OR WITHOUT THE VARIANCE, AND THE BOARD APPROVED
THE VARIANCE TO KEEP THE EXISTING POOL CAGE.
AND WE ARE ASKING FOR LESS OF A SETBACK VARIANCE, DOING IT
THE RIGHT WAY, AND THIS APPLICANT DID IT WITHOUT REQUESTING
THE VARIANCE, AND THE BOARD ALLOWED THE POOL SCREEN TO STAY.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL OVERTURN THE
VRB VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION TO DENY THE VARIANCE,
APPROVE IT, AND ALLOW US TO CONSTRUCT THE POOL SCREEN AT 4
FEET AND 3.47 FEET.
11:46:52AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE BASE OF THIS TREE.
AND HOW THE HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE LIMBS OF THIS TREE.
11:47:00AM >> ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE --
11:47:11AM >> THE TREE LIMBS GOING ACROSS THE HOUSE.
11:47:15AM >> IN THIS PICTURE THEY ARE TRIMMED BACK TO THE -- THEY WERE
TRIMMED BACK TO THE FENCE.
IT'S BEST IF I SHOW YOU.
THIS IS KIND OF A BETTER PICTURE.
11:47:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MY CONCERN IS SAFETY ISSUE WHEN THEY GO TO
CONSTRUCT THIS HOUSE.
THAT'S A HUGE LIMB THERE.
YOU GET A STRONG WIND IN FLORIDA, THERE'S A BUNCH OF
CONCERN.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
DEBRIS GOING OVER A YARD, A PAL AREA.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.
THIS IS REALLY VERY DIFFICULT HERE.
I KNOW A LOT OF TREE ADVOCATES OUT THERE.
IS THE TREE DYING?
11:48:04AM >> NO, IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE SPOKEN TO BRYAN AT NATURAL RESOURCES AND
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT TREE, THEY SAID DON'T
TOUCH IT AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO STAY HOW IT IS, DON'T TRIM IT
BACK.
11:48:18AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.
ONE MORE QUESTION.
YOU ARE NOT WEARING YOUR GLASSES.
11:48:22AM >> THAT'S ME. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, TOO.
11:48:34AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CONGRATULATIONS, MAN.
11:48:35AM >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:48:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE ARE GOING TO ASSUME THAT'S NOT GOING
TO PREJUDICE--
11:48:45AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I WAS GOING TO ASK.
JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, YOUR LITTLE POW-WOW
THAT YOU HAD, YOU CAN BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL?
11:48:55AM >> I JUST HAPPENED TO LOOK AND SEE A FACE, AND I SAW HIS
FACE, AND I SAID, THAT LOOKS LIKE JOE'S SON.
11:49:02AM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU WILL BASE YOUR DECISION SOLELY ON THE
EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING?
11:49:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
11:49:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US, MR. GUDES,
SOMETIME OR ANOTHER.
THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF LIVING NAP RELATIVELY SMALL TOWN.
MR. SEVERINO, YOU DID A GREAT JOB RESEARCHING THE POOL
APPROVALS.
DID YOU -- HAVING SERVED ON THE VRB A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
TIMES IN MANY YEARS, AND MR. CITRO AS WELL, WHO HAD TO
RECUSE HIMSELF, YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT THE VRB
ON OCCASION DENSE CAGE ENCLOSURES.
IS THAT CORRECT?
11:49:35AM >> YES.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE LOOKED AT ALL OF THEM THAT ARE
AVAILABLE ONLINE.
I PUT THEM ALL IN THE RECORD.
THERE'S BEEN 38 REQUESTS FOR SCREEN ENCLOSURES.
35 HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
11:49:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OVER HOW MANY YEARS?
11:49:49AM >> THE VRB MINUTES GO BACK TO 9, MAYBE, MAYBE 6 OR 7.
11:49:57AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO YOU ARE FAMILIAR THAT SOME OF THEM ARE
DENIED.
AND WE ARE ALWAYS ADVISED SITTING AS THE VRB TO TAKE THESE
ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
AND THAT'S BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE IN FRONT OF US.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HAVING TO DO TODAY.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT THIS SECOND.
THANK YOU, SIR.
11:50:14AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYONE ELSE?
11:50:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE FIRST THAT YOU MENTIONED WAS
APPROVED, YOU SAID LAKE AVENUE?
11:50:22AM >> YES.
11:50:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DO YOU KNOW WHAT PART OF TOWN IS THAT?
BECAUSE I ONLY KNOW OF ONE LAKE AVENUE.
11:50:32AM >> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT PART OF TOWN IT IS.
2904 WEST L-A-K-E.
11:50:41AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
2904?
THAT'S IN THE CORNER OF TWO HOUSES IN FROM --
11:50:49AM >> IN THE STADIUM AREA.
11:50:51AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I KNOW.
11:50:55AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ONE OTHER THING.
IN REGARDS TO MR. GUDES' COMMENT AND THE QUESTION, THIS ONE
HERE, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL LIVE OAK, THEY ARE ALL OVER TOWN.
WE HAVE HAD TESTIMONY IN MANY BOARDS INCLUDING THIS ONE
THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE 50 TO 100 YEARS OLD NOW, AND
MAYBE EVEN OLDER, AND THAT THEY CAN LIVE 2 OR 300 YEARS.
WE HAVE HAD THAT KIND OF TESTIMONY.
AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I HAVE GOT ONE THOSE HANGING OVER MY
HOUSE THAT'S BEEN THERE LONG BEFORE MY HOUSE WAS BUILT AND
PROBABLY BE THERE LONG BEFORE I'M GONE AND THE HOUSE IS
GONE.
SO THE LIVE OAKS, KNOW IT THE LAUREL OAKS, ARE VERY
SUBSTANTIAL AND OFTEN HEALTHY AND HAPPY TREES. ANYWAY,
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE.
11:51:42AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:51:45AM >> NOT RIGHT NOW, THANK YOU.
11:51:47AM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND MR. SHELBY, PROCEDURALLY WITH THESE
HEARINGS, WE TAKE DOCUMENT, CORRECT?
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM NUMBER 64,
PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:52:01AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
CITY COUNCIL, MR. SHELBY.
MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF, SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.
AND I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING JOE THIS MORNING AND
HIS DAUGHTER DEBBY KING AND JOE'S SON-IN-LAW.
RAISE YOUR HAND.
THEY ARE SEATED BEHIND ME.
THE RULE IS FIVE FEET IS THE SETBACK.
AND THAT SETBACK WILL ONLY BE IMPACTED IF YOU MEET THE
CRITERIA IN THE CODE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE.
THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT MR. SEVERINO RECITED TO YOU,
ALBEIT NOT STATING EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE, THIS HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH THIS HEARING.
THERE ARE ESTABLISHED PRINCIPLES OF LAW THAT SAY YOU GIVE IT
TO HIM SO GIVE IT TO ME, AND VICE VERSA, YOU DENIED TO THE
HIM, DENY THIS ONE.
YOU CANNOT LOOK AT OTHER CASES OF APPROVAL TO GRANT YOUR
DECISION.
I ASK YOU TO STRIKE ALL OF THOSE FROM YOUR CONSIDERATION
THIS MORNING.
MR. SEVERINO PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FROM A BUILDER WHO
RECEIVED A BUILDING PERMIT THROUGH THE CITY ON APRIL 4, 2016
WHICH SHOWED THE POOL GOING IN.
THIS SITE PLAN WAS PREPARED BY A LICENSED ARCHITECT.
IT WAS BUILT BY A LICENSED GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
THE ARCHITECT IN FACT FORGOT TO PUT THE LOCATION OF THE
CORNER YARD, FOR PURPOSES OF CONSIDERATION.
MR. SEVERINO'S CLIENTS ENTERED INTO A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE
THAT.
AT THE TIME THEY ENTERED THE CONTRACT THEIR, THEY COULD HAVE
TAKEN THESE PLANS, LOOKED AT THE ARCHITECT AND SAID, YOU
KNOW, WE MIGHT WANT TO PUT A SCREEN IN K.WE DO THAT?
AND THE ARCHITECT WOULD HAVE SAID, YOU CANNOT DO THAT UNLESS
YOU GET A VARIANCE.
AND THEY COULD HAVE POSTPONED THE CLOSING OR DISCOUNTED THE
PURCHASE PRICE.
WE ARE NOT HERE THIS MORNING TO FIX AN OVERSIGHT BY THE
PURCHASER OR AN OVERSIGHT BY THE CONTRACTOR OR THE
ARCHITECT.
A CERTIFICATE WAS ISSUED AND SAID THIS IS SUBSTANTIALLY
COMPLETED, AND APPLICABLE WITH STATE AND FEDERAL CODE.
I INCH YOU TO READ.
THAT IT PROVIDES NO CRITERIA.
[BELL SOUNDS]
I WILL SUM UP IN A MOMENT.
11:54:43AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION FOR AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.
11:54:45AM >>CHAIRMAN:
THAT WILL BE TWO MINUTES CRA MINUTES.
THAT WILL BE TWO AND A HALF MINUTES, I BELIEVE.
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:54:55AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
THEY MUST BE MET BY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE.
THE CODE RECITES THAT TO YOU.
AS FOR THE TREE, THE TREE HAS BEEN TRIMMED BACK.
GOING TO MR. GUDES' QUESTION, YOU CAN SEE THE TREE HAS BEEN
TRIMMED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND THE LEAVES ARE FALLING INTO THE POOL.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT OAK LEAVES FALLING INTO A POOL.
AND FOLKS THAT BUY PROPERTY COMING FROM LONDON AND ELSEWHERE
ARE NOT USED TO LEAVES FALLING IN THEIR POOL.
SO AFTER THE FACT, AFTER THEY BUY THE PROPERTY, AFTER THEY
HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK AN ARCHITECT OR GENERAL CONTRACTOR
TO TELL THEM WHAT THE CODE SAYS ABOUT POOL SCREENS, THEY
LEAN FORWARD, THEY TAKE THE RISK AND NOW THEY ARE ASKING YOU
TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD REVIEWS THINGS PROSPECTIVELY, NOT
RETROSPECTIVELY.
AND YOU ARE NOT HERE TO CURE THAT ISSUE.
THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD VOTED 6 TO 0, 6 TO 0, TO DENY THIS
VARIANCE AND DID NOT MEET THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA. IT WAS A
SELF-CREATED HARDSHIP.
WHAT ARE YOU TO DO THIS MORNING?
IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
WHAT WE ALL DO NOW.
WE GO ON THE INTERNET.
AND THE INTERNET HAS -- YOU CAN PURCHASE THE HYDROMATIC, THE
LIFT LID, THE HYDROLUX, THE EASY COVER.
THESE ARE TOP SELLING POOL COVERS.
IDEAL FOR ANY POOL APPLICATION.
ADVANCED -- DO IT YOURSELF HOMEOWNER.
YOU HAVE THE DEALER LOCATER RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS CAME UP AT THE HEARING.
AND WE EXPLAINED AT THE HEARING.
YOU SIMPLY HIRE SOMEONE TO INSTALL AN ELECTRIC COVER THAT
COMES OVER AND COVERS THE POOL IN PLASTIC.
IT SHIELD THE LEAVES.
WHEN YOU ARE READY TO HAVE GO INTO THE POOL, DRAW IT BACK,
ENJOY THE POOL.
YOU BRING IT BACK OVER AND THE LEAVES ARE COLLECTED.
THAT'S THE SOLUTION.
THE SOLUTION IS NOT A VARIANCE.
THAT IMPACT THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY RIGHT. THIS IS HIS
BACKYARD, HIS PARADISE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
I SUBMIT TO YOU THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO HARDSHIP ON THIS
VARIANCE.
THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO CURE AN OVERSIGHT AND IT IS
SELF-CREATED.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU AFFIRM THE DENIAL BY THE
VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD.
THANK YOU.
[BELL SOUNDS]
11:57:20AM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:57:22AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. GRANDOFF.
ANY CHANCE THAT YOU HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOWED THE
PERSPECTIVE OF THIS, I ASSUME, 6-FOOT WALL FROM YOUR
CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE?
IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SCREEN AND THEY ADOPT
WANT THE SCREEN BECAUSE THE SCREEN IS GOING TO IMPOSE ON
VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THEORY PROPERTY RIGHTS, DO WE HAVE ANY
PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOW WHAT THAT IS?
11:57:53AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
WE CAN GET CLOSE.
LET ME ORIENT YOU ON THE SITE PLAN FIRST.
11:57:58AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
PLEASE.
11:57:58AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
HERE IS THE PROPERTY.
HERE IS THE POOL.
HE'S HERE.
THE CORNER ON BLANCA IS HERE.
AND I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU PERSPECTIVE LOOKING EAST ON THE
CORNER ALONG THAT PROPERTY.
I DO NOT HAVE A PICTURE FROM MR. RYAN'S HOME LOOKING SOUTH.
11:58:16AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND BEFORE YOU DO, ALSO ON THIS MAP,
WHERE IS THE SUBJECT OAK TREE?
11:58:27AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
THAT BLACK DO IT RIGHT THERE.
11:58:30AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S DROPPING -- WE CAN
SEE WELL FROM HERE.
11:58:32AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
IT'S JUST ABOUT ON THE CORNER.
AND I TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH, AND HERE IS THE SURVEYOR'S
CORNER, AND HERE IS THE OAK TREE.
LOOKING EAST, HERE IS THE PROPERTY.
THE TREE HAS BEEN TRIMMED SIGNIFICANTLY.
11:58:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN IF YOU WANT US TO
SEE.
11:58:57AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
AND JOE'S PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.
HIS BACKYARD.
11:59:02AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
11:59:02AM >> AND HERE IS THE FLAG AT THE CORNER.
HERE IS THE TREE.
I'M LOOKING NORTHEAST FROM BLANCA AVENUE TOWARDS JOE'S
PROPERTY.
11:59:16AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DOES THIS SHOW ANY PART WHEREOF THE
SCREENED ENCLOSURE WOULD BE?
GRAND WELL, THE SCREEN WOULD BE -- HERE IS THE FENCE.
THE FENCE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE, 3.4 FEET OFF THAT PROPERTY LINE.
11:59:33AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DOES THE PETITION SPEAK TO THE HEIGHT OF
THE SCREEN?
11:59:36AM >> IT'S 15 FEET.
THAT'S THE RULE.
THERE'S NO REQUESTED VARIANCE ON THE HEIGHT.
11:59:41AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO THE FENCE HEIGHT IS 6.
11:59:43AM >> FENCE IS 6.
11:59:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
A COUPLE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
11:59:47AM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
THAT'S RIGHT.
12:00:03PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. GRANDOFF, COULD YOU PUT THAT PICTURE UP
AGAIN?
THE OTHER ONE.
TO THE RIGHT OF THE TREE, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE
A SMALL TREE.
WHICH PROPERTY IS THAT ON?
12:00:18PM >>JOHN GRANDOFF:
I THINK THAT'S A BRANCH COMING OFF THE
TREE.
THAT'S A BRANCH.
A SUCKER BRANCH COMING OFF THE OAK.
12:00:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND THAT FENCE RIGHT THERE, IS THAT THE
FIVE?
12:00:38PM >> NO, THAT FENCE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
LET ME SHOW YOU THAT.
IN THE BUILD PERMITTING IT SHOWS THE POOL GOING IN.
THERE'S THE FENCE.
IN RETROSPECT THE CONTRACTOR -- THAT OWNER MIGHT WANT A
POOL, PUTTING THAT POOL DECK, AND FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
NO PROBLEM.
HE DIDN'T DO IT.
12:01:09PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ADDITIONALLY ON THIS ITEM?
OKAY.
REBUTTAL?
WE ARE GETTING UPON 12:00.
LET'S HAVE 15 MINUTES?
30.
LET'S DO 30 MINUTES FOR NOW.
IS EVERYONE OKAY TO GO TILL 12:30?
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
GO AHEAD, SIR.
SORRY.
12:01:47PM >> I THINK MR. GRANDOFF AT THE END OF HIS PRESENTATION MADE
AN ARGUMENT SAYING THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD HAVE DONE IT.
HE PUT THE HOUSE IN.
HE PUT THE POOL. IN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE CAME IN AFTER
THAT, IF WE WERE COMING IN THE 20 YEARS LATER.
IT'S WE DIDN'T PUT THE POOL IN.
YOU CAN SEE THIS WHEN A HOMEOWNER OR INTO SOMEONE PURCHASES
A LOT, KNOCKS DOWN A HOUSE, IS INVOLVED IN DESIGNING A
HOUSE, DESIGNING A POOL.
AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND ASK FOR POLL SCREENS.
THEY WANT A SETBACK AND THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE
PROCESS.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE.
AND I WANT TO SHOW TO MR. DINGFELDER A POINT.
HERE IS ACTUALLY A PICTURE IN THE RECORD.
THIS IS FROM MR. RIEMANN'S BACKYARD.
I DON'T KNOW, CURRENTLY, I DON'T KNOW FINANCE MR. GRANDOFF
PROVIDED THIS PICTURE AT THE LAST HEARING SO I DON'T KNOW
WHEN THIS WAS TAKEN, BUT THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH TO MY
CLIENT'S PROPERTY WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE, HE DOES HAVE A VIEW
BUT IT'S OF MY CLIENT'S SECOND STORY WINDOW, ON TOP OF HIS
HOUSE.
SO THE POOL SCREENING WOULD GO OBVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF THESE
TREES RIGHT HERE, THE PALM TREES.
THE FENCE IS 6-FOOT.
THESE TREES PROBABLY GO UP ANOTHER 3 FEET.
THEN YOU HAVE GOT THE 15-FOOT POOL SCREEN WHICH IS GOING TO
GO IN ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
AS FAR AS AQUA KNOT I CAN THAT PALM, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A
RESIDENTIAL HOUSE WITH A POOL COVER LIKE THAT.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM EITHER.
THERE ARE STILL LEAVES THAT FALL ON TOP OF THAT.
YOU STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.
SO IT DOESN'T COPY KEEP THE DEBRIS OUT OF THE POOL AND OUT
OF THAT AREA.
SO I WOULD SUBMIT TO THE COUNCIL OF THAT WE HAVE TRIED ALL
REASONABLE MITIGATION EFFORTS.
AND I WANT TO STRESS THAT WHETHER THE POOL SCREEN IS AT 5
FEET, OKAY, FROM THE SETBACK OR 4 FEET, DOES NOT IMPACT MR.
RIEMANN.
IT DOESN'T IMPACT HIS VIEW.
HIS VIEW WOULD BE TESTIMONY EXACT SAME IF WE WERE ABLE TO
PUT IT AT 5 FEET.
HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME VIEW WHETHER IT WHETHER WE
NEEDED A VARIANCE OR IN CODE.
HE IS THEY CLIP HE MAY NOT WANT IT BUT AS MUCH AS HE'S
ENTITLED TO HIS PROPERTY RIGHTS, SO ARE MY CLIENTS.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR A MINIMAL VARIANCE.
ALL THAT THE THOUGH THIS IS DONE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS I
DO BELIEVE THOSE DECISIONS AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AS
YOU ARE ABLE TO LOOK BACK TO THE DECISION IN THIS CASE FOR
GUIDANCE, MAY NOT RELY ON IT BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.
OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO BE ENFORCING THIS STANDARD
DIFFERENTLY TO SIMILARLY SITUATED APPLICANTS.
SO AGAIN HE REQUESTS THAT YOU OVERTURN THE VRB'S DENIAL AND
GRANT APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE TO COP INSTRUCT THE POOL
SCREEN AT A 4-FOOT SETBACK AND 4.3-FOOT SETBACK.
12:04:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
ANYTHING FURTHER?
12:04:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE PALMS.
CAN YOU PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP THERE?
12:04:53PM >> YES.
12:04:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE PALMS DO CREATE A NICE BUFFER RIGHT
NOW.
DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR THE PALMS ARE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE OR
THE WALL?
12:05:02PM >> YES.
I WAS OVER THERE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
THEY ARE PROBABLY ABOUT FOOT FEET.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE
IT.
12:05:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MY GUESS IS THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN THE
WAY OF THE SCREEN EITHER DURING CONSTRUCTION OR
SUBSEQUENTLY.
AND CAN YOU A SURE ANYBODY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE
REMOVED?
12:05:25PM >> I CAN ASSURE YOU EITHER, A, THEY WILL NOT BE REMOVED, OR
IF REMOVED WE OFFER TO PUT UP DIFFERENT TREES THAT BLOCK THE
VIEW, AT THE SECOND HEARING, WE WOULD DO WHATEVER WAS
NECESSARY TO DO SOME KIND OF FOLIAGE THERE TO PROTECT THAT.
12:05:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT APPEARS AT THE TOP, JUST LOOKING AT
IT, THE TOP OF THOSE RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE AT
THE MOST TWICE THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE, A LITTLE LESS.
SO IT'S STILL NOT -- THE 15 FEET IS STILL GOING TO BE ABOVE
THAT CURRENT BUFFER.
12:06:00PM >> YES, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT.
HERE IS A PICTURE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THOSE ARE.
YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE 5-FOOT HEDGE.
THE DECK IS ONLY ABOUT 18 INCHES RIGHT HERE.
AND ALL WE ARE REQUESTING IS PUT THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE,
GOING ON HERE.
THEN WE HAVE PALM TREES, AND THEN THE FENCE, THE 6-FOOT
FENCE.
12:06:30PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE OTHER ISSUE IS RELATED TO THIS NOTION
OF SELF-CREATED.
IF ANYBODY GOES TO BUY A HOUSE, ESPECIALLY A BIG NICE
EXPENSIVE HOUSE LIKE THIS,
THEY CAN SEE THE POOL.
THEY CAN SEE THE TREES.
THEY CAN SEE THE CONDITION.
YOU KNOW, THE LEAVES, TO ME, ANYBODY WITH ANY COMMON SENSE
IS GOING TO SEE THE LEAVES, ET CETERA.
IS THERE ANY TESTIMONY?
YOU ARE NOT OFFERING TESTIMONY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT YOUR
ROLE.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY TESTIMONY THAT THEY BOUGHT THIS SITE
UNSEEN AND WERE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF THE CONDITION?
12:07:12PM >> IT'S NOT THAT THEY BOUGHT IT SIGHT UNSEEN.
THE INTENT WHEN THEY PURCHASED THIS HOME WAS TO HAVE AN
OPEN-AIR POOL, AND THE REASON WHY I THINK THIS IS A GOOD
PICTURE, AS I SHOWED EARLIER, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE NEXT
DOOR.
IT'S ALMOST THE IDENTICAL HOUSE.
THEY ACTUALLY HAVE FOLIAGE HERE TOO BUT IT'S TRIMMED BACK
MORE.
THE EXACT SAME POOL.
AND NOW WHEN THEY MOVE IN, IT BECAME A PROBLEM, PROBABLY A
YEAR LATER THEY TRIM THE TREES, THEY TRADE EVERYTHING, AND
NOW THERE'S REALLY NOTHING LEFT FOR THEM TO DO.
BUT, NO, THEY DID NOT BUY IT SIGHT UNSEEN.
12:07:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH
THIS.
WHILE THE BUILDER DID IT A YEAR BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT, AND
THEREFORE WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE THAN, YOU KNOW FOR THAT, I
THINK THE KNOWLEDGE IS EITHER ACTUAL OR IMPUTED TO THE
SUBSEQUENT PURCHASER WHO PURCHASED IT AS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW,
HAVING SEEN IT.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE PURCHASE PROPERTY SIGHT UNSEEN AND THAT
COULD BE AN ARGUMENT OR A DEFENSE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WEAKENS IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
I DON'T KNOW.
THE POOL COVER SEEMS LIKE PERHAPS, ESPECIALLY IN SUCH AN
EXPENSIVE SCENARIO, SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE A REASONABLE
SOLUTION.
BUT WE'LL KEEP TALKING.
THANK YOU.
12:08:34PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER?
12:08:48PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I EVER LISTENED TO BOTH ATTORNEYS ARGUE
ABOUT SELF-CREATED, AND I HEAR ONE POINT, BOUGHT A HOME, NOW
WE GOT THIS PROBLEM, AND I HAVE THE OTHER SIDE SAYING, WELL,
YOU BOUGHT A HOME, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
WE DO A LOT OF THINGS NOT KNOWING IT WAS GOING TO BE A
PROBLEM.
I AM JUST TRYING TO GET AN DEFINITIVE POINT ON SELF-CREATED.
WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? THAT'S WHAT I AM HAVING A PROBLEM WITH
RIGHT NOW.
12:09:25PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
WHAT COURTS HAVE SAID ABOUT SELF-CREATED HARDSHIPS IS THAT
THE PASSAGE OF OWNERSHIP IS NOT NECESSARILY THE QUESTION.
SO HOW IT'S RELEVANT, IF I BUY A TRIANGULAR SHAPED LOT, THE
HARDSHIP OF WHAT EXISTED IS THE SAME FOR ME AS THE PLOT
OWNER, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT CHANGED HANDS.
BUT HERE IT'S NOT SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT JUST THE LOT, IT IS
SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT ON
THAT LOT.
AND BUILDING STRUCTURES ON THE LOT CAN BECOME A SELF-CREATED
HARDSHIP.
SO THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT CASE THAN WHAT THE COURTS HAVE
GRAPPLED WITH, BUT COURTS HAVE IMPUTED FROM ONE PROPERTY
OWNER TO THE NEXT WHETHER OR NOT THE HARDSHIP IS
SELF-CREATED OR ONE THAT IS REALLY FROM THE LAND.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS INFORM YOUR DECISION.
12:10:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT RIGHT NOW.
12:10:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
THANK YOU, SIR.
12:10:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
BEFORE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION, JUST TO
RECEIVE AND FILE WHAT'S BEEN PLACED IN THE RECORD THUS FAR.
12:10:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
12:10:57PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
12:11:00PM >> SECOND.
12:11:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT.
WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:11:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AFFIRM THE
BOARD DECISION OF THE VRB AND UPHOLD THE DENIAL.
I DON'T SEE THE HARDSHIP.
I THINK IT'S A SELF-CREATED, SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP, THE
BUILDER, WHATEVER IT IS.
THERE IS A LOT SIZE, THE HOME WAS BUILT ON THAT LOT TO
ALMOST MAXIMUM STANDARDS, AND NOW YOU HAVE THE ISSUE WITH
THE SWIMMING POOL.
COULD HAVE BEEN A SMALLER POOL.
COULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT SCENARIO.
THEY CHOSE TO MAXIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING AREA, AND
THEREFORE CREATING THIS.
THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL.
12:11:49PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION OR A SECOND?
12:11:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'LL SECOND THE MOTION AND JUST ADD ON,
PERHAPS PILE ON, SOME MIGHT SAY, BUT JUST ADD ONTO MR.
MANISCALCO'S COMMENT.
YEAH, IF THE ORIGINAL BUILDER WAS HERE WITH THE SAME
REQUEST, IT'S PERHAPS A WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
HOW WOULD I FEEL ABOUT IT?
I THINK IN THAT CASE I WOULD FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IT WAS
SELF-CREATED.
SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, OKAY, NOW IT'S A SUBSEQUENT OWNER.
AGAIN, IF IT WAS A HIDDEN CONDITION, I MIGHT FEEL A LITTLE
MORE GENEROUS OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU TO -- OR
SYMPATHETIC IS PROBABLY A BETTER WORD, TO THE PREDICAMENT
THAT THEY ARE IN.
BUT IT'S NOT.
THIS IS A BLATANT OPEN, OBVIOUS CONDITION, AS PER THEIR
TESTIMONY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
THEY SAID THERE'S OAK LEAVES HERE DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY.
WELL, GUESS WHAT.
WHEN YOU GO TO A HOUSE LIKE THIS AND YOU WALK AROUND IT AND
COME BACK ANOTHER DAY AND WALK AROUND IT AND DECIDE TO BUY
IT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THOSE SAME OAK LEAVES.
AND ACTUALLY THE CONDITION GOT BETTER BECAUSE THEY TRIMMED
THAT TREE BACK.
[OFF MICROPHONE.]
I THINK MR. GRANDOFF HAS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE, VARIOUS
COVERS, THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO HELP THE SITUATION, AND I
CAN -- I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I SUPPORT THE VARIANCE BOARD.
BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT
INTO THESE CASES.
AND I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MS. MORA AT SOME POINT
IN TERMS OF WHY WE ARE DOING THIS DE NOVO AS OPPOSED TO AS
AN APPELLATE ISSUE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION FOR A
DIFFERENT DAY.
ANYWAY, I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
THANK YOU.
12:13:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
12:13:51PM >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO ABSTAINING.
12:14:00PM >>LUIS VIERA:
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEMS 65 AND 66 WHERE IT
APPEARS THAT FOR 66 THERE IS CORRESPONDENCE REQUESTING THE
PETITIONER REVIEW BE WITHDRAWN.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO WITHDRAW?
12:14:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE TO WITHDRAW.
12:14:15PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM 66.
12:14:23PM >> MOVE TO RESCHEDULE TO AUGUST 22ND AT 10:
30 A.M.
12:14:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEMS PULLED FROM CONSENT WHICH I BELIEVE
WERE 40 AND 43.
AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY A TIME CRUNCH.
WHAT --
12:14:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO 66 AND 68.
THE REASON IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GRANT MONEY AND SO FORTH
AND SO ON, AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE HAVE TO RESOLVE IT IN
MY OPINION.
12:14:58PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I AGREEMENT WOULD YOU ALL LIKE THE ITEMS THAT
WERE PULLED, 67, 68, AND THEN BREAK?
I CAN GO STRAIGHT ON THROUGH TILL 2:30.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD?
12:15:17PM >> PLOW FORWARD.
12:15:18PM >> I MOVE TO 1:
00 AND --
12:15:21PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY. MS. DUNCAN.
12:15:25PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I'M HERE I THINK IT'S ITEM 67.
12:15:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND FIRST WE ARE DOING THE PULLED ITEMS.
12:15:34PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
START WITH ITEM 40?
JEAN DUNCAN, TRANSPORTATION STORMWATER SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
STARTING FIRST WITH 40.
THIS IS THE ITEM REGARDING THE HYDE PARK VILLAGE DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT.
12:16:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR MY QUESTION?
WE TRIED TO REACH EACH OTHER YESTERDAY AND WE TRIED TO HOOK
UP.
I APOLOGIZE TO COUNCIL.
ON ITEM 40, WE HAVE A SIDEWALK FUND, IN THIS CASE IT'S THE
INTERBAY SIDEWALK FUND, AND THE INTERBAY DISTRICT SIDEWALK
IMPACT FEE CONSTRUCTION FUND, WHICH BASICALLY IS MONEY
THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION, OFTEN
SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION IN THE INTERBAY SOUTH TAMPA
PENINSULA -- CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG -- AND THEN COLLECTED,
AND THEN WE USE IT FOR OTHER SIDEWALK PROJECTS THAT ARE ALSO
IN THE INTERBAY REGION.
12:16:44PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
12:16:47PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE BEEN AROUND WHEN WE PASSED THAT TO
START.
HOWEVER, WHAT JUMPED OUT AT ME HERE IS, WE COLLECT THESE
FUNDS ON SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, OFTEN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES,
SOMETIMES NOT, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, OKAY.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, DOWN ON SOUTH -- ANYWHERE WOULD BE AN
EXAMPLE, IN THIS CASE IT HAPPENS TO BE IN SOUTH TAMPA BUT I
WOULD SAY THE SAME THING IS RELEVANT IN ANY OF THE
DISTRICTS.
SO WE COLLECTED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
BUT IN THIS CASE WE TAKE $50,000 OF THAT AND WE PULL IT AND
HELP OUT THE HYDE PARK, THE NEW FANCY HYDE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S THE PART THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE, AS MY
GRANDMOTHER WOULD SAY, A LITTLE ANGINA.
AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG ON ANY OF THAT.
AND I KNOW IT'S MORE PERHAPS MORE OF A POLICY DECISION.
AND I AM NOT REALLY TRYING TO STOP THIS HERE BECAUSE WE DO
HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE HYDE PARK FOLKS TO DO THIS.
AND I'M NOT ONE TO BREAK AN AGREEMENT.
BUT I DO WANT TO RAISE THIS AS A FUTURE ISSUE IN TERMS OF
WHERE AND HOW WE SPEND THIS MONEY.
12:18:02PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES, SIR.
SO THE INTERBAY IMPACT FEE DIRECT, TO SHARE THAT MAP WITH
YOU THAT SHOWS THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING. THIS AREA IS WITHIN
THAT BOUNDARY.
SO WE ARE LEGITIMATELY SPENDING THE MONEYS THAN.
12:18:24PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
12:18:25PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME IN, WE SAW AN
OPPORTUNITY TO INFUSE SOME MONEY INTO THE DEVELOPER'S
PROJECT WHERE WE COULD BRING A NUMBER OF SIDEWALKS IN THE
AREA UP TO CURRENT ADA CODE THERE.
THEY WERE TOO NARROW. THEY WERE SLOPED TOO STEEPLY.
AND BY ADDING IN OUR MONEYS TO THEIR PROJECT, WE WERE ABLE
TO GET THIS WORK DONE MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND LESS
COSTLY, BECAUSE WE COULD JUMP ONTO THEIR CONTRACT THAT THEY
HAD IN PLACE AND DO MUCH THIS WORK -- ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE DONE ON HIS
OWN ANYWAY.
WE WERE SOMEHOW PAYING HIM.
THIS IS WORK WE WOULD WANT DONE ON OUR OWN .
12:19:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IS THIS IN FRONT OF THEIR SHOPS AND
STORES?
12:19:15PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IN SOME CASES, YES.
12:19:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S NOT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD,
ISN'T IT?
12:19:20PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WOULD HAVE TO GET YOU A MAP TO SHOW YOU
EXACTLY WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE.
BUT THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE THERE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ADA STANDARD.
SO THAT WAS NOT ON THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM.
THAT'S ON THE CITY TO DO THAT.
AND SO THIS IS A MECHANISM TO CORRECT THAT PROBLEM IN A VERY
EFFICIENT WAY IN TERMS OF PUTTING OUR MONEY WITH THEIRS AND
GETTING IT DONE TOGETHER.
12:19:45PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DID WE ASK THE DEVELOPER IF THEY WOULD DO
THAT BEFORE WE OFFERED THIS?
12:19:50PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.
WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THIS AND THEY ACTUALLY
ADDED SOME EMBELLISHMENT TO THESE SIDEWALKS WHICH IS ON
THEIR DIME AND THEY PAID THE EXTRA --
12:19:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO, NO, MY QUESTION IS NOT TO BE
ARGUMENTATIVE AND IT'S MY LAST QUESTION.
DID WE SPECIFICALLY ASK THE DEVELOPER, SAY, HEY, YOU ARE
GETTING THIS WHOLE STREETSCAPE, AND THEY DID.
THEY ARE GUTTING THIS WHOLLY THING ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY,
THEY WANTED MANY, MANY CHANGES.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE GAVE THEM ADDITIONAL SPACES, ANGLED
SPACES, YOU KNOW, IN OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY TO HELP THEIR PARKING
SITUATION, WHICH IS GREAT.
THE WHOLE THING LOOKS GREAT.
BUT DID WE ASK THEM IF THEY COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THROW IN
AN EXTRA 50 GRAND OF THEIR OWN TO DO THESE CHANGES AS
COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY?
AND MY WHOLE CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE GOT NEIGHBORHOODS WHO
PLAN FOR SIDEWALKS, AND YOU GET THE CALLS MORE THAN I DO,
THEY CLAMOR FOR SIDEWALKS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRONT OF
THEIR HOMES, AND HERE WE ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY IN HYDE
PARK VILLAGE, AND/OR I THINK SOME OF THAT ALSO -- CHARLIE,
HELP ME OUT -- IN THE NEW PART ALONG THE RIVER.
12:20:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
DON'T ASK ME ABOUT SIDEWALKS BECAUSE I
THEY GO KNOW WHERE.
12:21:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DID WE ASK THE DEVELOPER AND THEY SAID,
OH, NO, THAT'S ON YOU?
12:21:13PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I DIDN'T PERSONALLY NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENTS
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IF THEY WOULD BE
OF BENEVOLENCE AND PROVIDE THAT TO THE CITY.
I CAN'T REALLY SAY "YES" OR "NO" ON THAT.
I CAN SAY THAT THIS IS A LEGITIMATE EXPENDITURE OF MONEY IN
TERMS OF USE OF IT AND THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE ARE SPENDING
IT.
AND WE FELT LIKE WE GOT A GOOD DEAL, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE IF
WE DID THIS ON OUR OWN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH
CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, BID THOSE OUT, MOBILIZE, CONTRACTOR
OVERHEAD.
WE GOT A LOT MORE COVERAGE FOR LESS DOLLARS BECAUSE WE WERE
WORKING WITH THEM TO GET THE WORK DONE.
SO AS FAR AS HOW THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I COULDN'T SAME
PERSONALLY BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED.
BUT I THINK THE CITY ACTED IN GOOD FAITH.
12:22:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DON'T DOUBT ANY OF.
THAT I KNOW YOU WELL.
YOU ARE HONORABLE AND YOU ALWAYS DO THE RIGHT THING PURSUANT
TO OUR CODES.
MY QUESTION IS, IS OUR CODE RIGHT IN THIS REGARD?
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DAY.
THANK YOU.
12:22:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER?
12:22:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THE SIDEWALKS, SOMEBODY WAS CHARGING $45
A LINEAR FOOT.
AND WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE HIGH 20s.
IS THAT STILL THE ACCURATE AMOUNT?
12:22:31PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER OFF MY HEAD.
12:22:34PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT CHANGED FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
12:22:37PM >> IT WAS REDUCED FROM THAT ORIGINAL NUMBER.
I DO KNOW THAT.
12:22:41PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OBJECTION TO MOVING ITEM 40?
12:22:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 40.
12:22:50PM >> SECOND.
12:22:51PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OF ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
AND ITEM 43.
12:23:00PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
A CONTRACT FOR MOWING OF ROADWAYS.
TAKING OUT ASPHALT. IN MANY CASES, IT'S OBVIOUSLY IN BAD
SHAPE.
IT'S ON A WRONG ELEVATION.
AND FOLLOW AND DO IN-HOUSE RESURFACING.
SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE CONTRACT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR ITEM.
12:23:24PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCIL?
12:23:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.
AND I DID PULL THIS ITEM.
I HAVE THE BACKUP.
BUT REMIND ME.
IT APPEARED TO ME THIS WAS EITHER THE SOLE SOURCE -- I DON'T
THINK IT WAS COMPETITIVE, THOUGH.
12:23:41PM >> IT WASN'T SOLE SOURCE.
12:23:43PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE BIDDING.
CAN YOU HELP ME?
12:23:47PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I'LL DEFER TO MR. HART. YOU MAY KNOW THE
ANSWER TO THAT.
IT WAS A BID ITEM.
12:23:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I KNOW IT WAS BID.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BID SHEET, AND I KNOW WE HAVE USED THIS
COMPANY REPETITIVELY OVER THE YEARS, AND I DON'T SEE ANY
OTHER COMPANY OUT THERE DOING THE SAME THING.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING.
12:24:04PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
IT WAS A SINGLE BIDDER.
12:24:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I AM JUST WONDERING WHY IS IT THAT THESE
GUYS ARE ALWAYS THE SINGLE BIDDER, AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE
OUT THERE, YADA YADA YADA.
12:24:16PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THIS TYPE OF WORKS REQUIRES VERY SPECIAL
EQUIPMENT AND VERY SPECIALIZED SKILLS.
THAT'S WHY WE TYPICALLY OUTSOURCE LARGE AMOUNTS BECAUSE IT'S
JUST SOMETHING THAT IS NOT -- WE HAVEN'T BUILT A BUSINESS
CASE YET TO DO THIS TYPE OF THING IN-HOUSE.
BEING THAT IT IS SPECIALIZED, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF
CONTRACTORS APPARENTLY THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS AS
THEIR NEW BUSINESS.
THERE ARE SOME THAT DO THIS ALONG WITH OTHER MAJOR
CONSTRUCTIONS, THE KIMMINS AND COUCH AND ALL THOSE BIG
CONTRACTORS.
SO I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN WHY THERE ISN'T MORE AFTER-MARKET
OF COMPETITORS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
BUT THE FIRM WE ARE USING, WE HAVE USED BEFORE, AND THEY ARE
VERY REPUTABLE AND THEY DO GOOD WORK FOR US.
12:25:02PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
RIGHT.
BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE COMPETITIVE BID, PRETTY SOON YOUR
PRICES ARE GOING TO GO HIGHER AND HIGHER.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE NOT BUT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE
OF THINGS.
I KNOW IF I AM THE ONLY BIDDER, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO
CONSTRAIN ME.
12:25:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SOMETIMES THERE'S MARKETPLACE DYNAMICS IN
TERMS OF A LOT OF WORK IN THE WORKPLACE.
AND SO THE SMALLER CONTRACTS AREN'T APPEAL TO CONTRACTORS
BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING AFTER THE BIG PROJECTS.
THAT COULD BE A FACTOR.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE --
12:25:33PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS I WOULD URGE NOT YOU, BECAUSE YOU
ARE TOO BUSY, BUT YOU URGE YOUR PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO THE
KIMMINS AND SOME OF THE OTHERS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH
THEM SO THAT NEXT YEAR WHEN WE SEE THIS SAME BID, MAYBE
THERE WILL BE MORE COMPETITION.
THANK YOU.
12:25:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
12:25:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I WANT TO BE MAKE SURE THAT I
UNDERSTAND.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE ROAD IS DOWN AND IT'S BUMPY AND
GOOFY LOOKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, LIKE THAN HAVANA AVENUE
HAS BEEN FOR YEARS, AND BE THE SAME WORK DONE.
THIS IS A BIG MACHINE THAT GOES OUT AND GETS THE SAME
ROADWAY, PICKS IT UP, GRINDS IT, AND THEN WE COME BEHIND IT
AND PUT IT BACK DOWN?
THAT'S THE ONE THAT DOES IT MUCH QUICKER?
AND IF YOU WANT TO REALLY GO THE WHOLE MILE INSTEAD OF
SAYING LET'S NOT USE ANYTHING, LET'S GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY
WHERE IT COST FIVE TIMES MORE.
BECAUSE THE OLD WAY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS EQUIPMENT.
AND YOU COULDN'T DO IT THE WAY YOU ARE DOING IT NOW.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE IF YOU DIDN'T DO
IT THIS WAY AND YOU DID IT SOME OTHER WAY.
MAYBE IT'S CHEAPER, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW.
ALARMS GO OFF EVERY YEAR.
COMPETITIVE BIDDING.
12:26:52PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE ALWAYS LOOK AT OUTSOURCING VERSUS
IN-HOUSE TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT OF WHAT'S THE BEST BALANCE.
IN THIS CASE, CONSISTENTLY, WE ARE BETTER OFF OUTSOURCING.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN
DOING THIS WORK.
POSSIBLY, WITH MORE WORK THROUGH THE SALES TAX, WE'LL START
HAVING OTHER COMPANIES THAT DECIDE, HEY, THIS IS A GOOD
THING TO GET INTO, AND WE WILL HAVE MORE BIDDERS.
THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SITUATION.
12:27:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
A LOT MORE MILES WITH COMPETITIVE
BIDDING.
12:27:29PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE HAVE A LOT OF ROADS THAT WE DO THIS TYPE
OF WORK, PULL THIS UP.
I SEE THOSE GUYS OUT THERE WORKING ALL THE TIME.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF OUR GUYS ARE OUT THERE WORKING, WHY
ARE WE NOT TRYING TO GET A MACHINE OR BUY A MACHINE OF OUR
OWN AND DO THIS IN-HOUSE VERSUS GOING OUTHOUSE?
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE KEEP SPENDING MONEY.
I THINK WE CAN SAVE MONEY IN WE DO SOME THINGS IN-HOUSE.
12:27:54PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
AS MENTIONED THE EQUIPMENT IS EXPENSIVE.
IT REQUIRES A LOT OF MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IT'S DOING LESS
WORK OUT THERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND THE SKILL SET FOR THE TYPE
OF EQUIPMENT.
SO OCCASIONALLY WE VISIT AND SEE IN-HOUSE VERSUS
OUTSOURCING, AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH EVIDENCE AT THIS
POINT THAT WOULD BE WORTH US INVESTING IN THIS EQUIPMENT
OURSELVES, HAVING A PLACE TO STORE IT, MAINTENANCE SUPPORT,
HAVING THE STAFF FOR IT.
SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE CURRENTLY FEEL WE GET A
BETTER EXPENDITURE OF OUR MONEYS TO OUTSOURCE.
WE DO SOME SMALL SCALE VERSIONS OF THIS IN-HOUSE.
BUT ON THE LARGE SCALE, WE GET MORE EFFICIENCY IF WE HAVE A
DEDICATED CONTRACTOR FOR THIS KIND OF WORK.
12:28:45PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WISH YOU WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AGAIN
BECAUSE I AM JUST LOOKING AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF BIG LOTS
THAT CITY EQUIPMENT IS ON.
IT COULD BE A JOB FACTOR FOR SOME NEW PEOPLE, TRAINING AS
WELL FOR SOMEONE WHO ARE ALREADY THERE IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE
FUTURE, THAT WE CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY OUTSOURCING YET
DOING THE SPENDING MONEY.
I THINK WE CAN SAVE MONEY BY DOING SOME THINGS IN-HOUSE.
12:29:14PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
12:29:18PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I CAN BRING THIS UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
BUT AGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN MEMBER DINGFELDER.
PEOPLE ASK WHY HE AND HE PULLED SO MANY THINGS FROM THE
AGENDA AND I DIDN'T THIS TIME.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M NEW, HE'S NEW BACK, BUT MY CONCERN IS,
I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, MY CONCERN IS OVER THE LAST YEAR OR
MORE, I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY
ABOUT HOW THE BIDDING PROCESS WAS DONE, THE LACK OF
TRANSPARENCY, THE LACK OF NUMBER OF BIDDERS AND LACK OF
MINORITY PARTICIPATION.
AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE MAYBE LATER IS ON THE BIDDING
SHEETS -- I'M SORRY, ON THE SUMMARY FORMS THAT WE GET,
THERE'S A SUMMARY CALLED BACKGROUND, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE
AN SENTENCE OR TWO BEGUN THE BIDDING, AND THAT MAKES IT MORE
TRANSPARENT, AND WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT WITHOUT HAVING A
LOT OF STAFF.
WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL IF THERE WERE A SECTION, NOT JUST
BACKGROUND, BUT WHAT THE BIDDING WAS AND WHAT THE OUTCOME
WAS AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WASTE STAFF TIME.
I TOLD THE MAYOR I HAVE 100% CONFIDENCE IN HER BUT IT WOULD
HELP WITH THE TRANSPARENCY IF BE WE COULD HAVE THAT.
AND NUMBER TWO, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WAS ANOTHER
SECTION THAT JUST TALKED ABOUT THE INTENT TO GET MINORITY
PARTICIPATION.
I THINK THAT WOULD SAVE US A LOT OF TIME, NOT HAVING TO PULL
THINGS FROM THE AGENDA.
12:30:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:30:38PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I RESERVE MY TIME FOR ANOTHER.
MIRANDA.
12:30:57PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
THANK YOU.
NOW WE MOVE TO ITEM OF 67.
STAFF REPORTS.
12:31:08PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THIS IS ONE OF OUR MAJOR STORMWATER PROJECTS
THAT WE CAME TO COUNCIL, BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, WHEN WE
WERE DISCUSSING THE CAPITAL ASSESSMENT FOR STORMWATER.
AND WE HAD WHAT WE CALLED THE BIG YELLOW DOCUMENT, LITTLE
YELLOW DOCS, AND THIS HAS BEEN IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT,
AND WE TALKED TO COUNCIL OVER THE LAST PROBABLY YEAR AND A
HALF.
THIS PROJECT IS BASICALLY I AM GOING TO PUT IN ABOUT 770
FEET OF BOX CULVERT, AND I THINK I HAVE IS A LITTLE PHOTO
THAT I CAN SHARE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE
AMOUNT OF STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
MAKE, AS WELL AS CREATING A WATER IMPROVEMENT SCENARIO FOR
THE AREA.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINES.
THIS IS THE SYSTEM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY.
THE ORANGE WAS A SYSTEM THAT WAS BUILT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO
WITH CITY DOLLARS, AN $8 MILLION PROJECT.
THIS PROJECT IS BEING CO-FUNDED BY SWFWMD.
THEY ARE PAYING 50% OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
THEY ALSO PAY FOR 50% OF THE DESIGN ALREADY.
WE ARE EXCITED BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE
INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE GOT BOXES, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT, AND THERE WILL BE
SIGNIFICANT WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT AS
WELL AS SIGNIFICANT FLOODING IMPROVEMENT FOR A VERY LARGE
AREA.
AND GOING THROUGH THE SWFWMD APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY ACTUALLY
DID WHAT IS CALLED A THIRD PARTY REVIEW SO THEY HAVE THEIR
OWN COUPLE AND STAFF COME IN AND ANALYZE OUR PROJECT AND
DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT MET THE COST FEASIBILITY
PARAMETERS, OR WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT CO-FUNDING, 50
PERCENT OF THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE HAD TO DEMONSTRATE THE FLOOD BENEFITS TO GET THEIR
APPROVAL.
AND WE ARE VERY PLEASED THAT WE HAVE CONTRIBUTION ON THEIR
PART FOR THE PROJECT.
WE WENT TO THE RQ PROCESS, PUT AN OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE FOR
A DESIGN BUILT TEAM TO COME IN AND BID ON THE PROJECT.
WE SELECTED A VERY GOOD FIRM AND CONTRACTOR THAT IS GOING TO
BE DESIGNING AND BUILDING THE SYSTEM.
AND WE NEGOTIATED THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE CALLED THE
GNP.
WE ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED DOWN SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS THROUGH
THAT PROCESS.
AND THIS IS A VERY GOOD APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING ON THIS
PROJECT, BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE COMFORT LEVEL THAT WE KNOW
THE PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO GO BEYOND THAT SET PRICE, UNLESS
THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WE DECIDE WE ARE GOING TO
ADD INTO IT.
SO IT REMOVES A LOT OF THE RISK ON A VERY LARGE SCALE
PROJECT, THAT CAN ENCOUNTER A LOT OF ISSUES AS WE GET OUT
THERE AND START BUILDING INTO THE GROUND.
THAT'S A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
12:34:29PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL FOR ITEM 67?
12:34:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
I THINK I SHOWED YOU -- I SHOWED BRYAN THE PICTURE OF THE
FLOODING IN 2015 AT THIS AREA OF ROME AND VENICE, LIKE A
CANAL, STREETS.
SO THIS CYPRESS STREET FOUGHT FALL IMPROVEMENT IS GOING TO,
YOU KNOW, PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
I SPOKE WITH SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS OVER THE YEARS.
I KNOW BUSINESSES WERE FLOODED.
IT WAS A DISASTER.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH NEEDED.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
I KNOW THIS GOES BACK TO SEPTEMBER 1st, 2016 WHEN WE
APPROVED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT 251 MILLION-DOLLAR APPROVAL.
AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THIS HAPPENING, AS WELL AS SWFWMD DOING
THEIR PART.
BECAUSE THAT AFFECTS THE OTHER PROJECTS UPPER PENINSULA AND
IT WAS $20 MILLION TOTAL FROM SWFWMD?
12:35:30PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
A LITTLE OVER 17 MILLION TOTAL FROM SWFWMD,
YES.
12:35:40PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STORMWATER PROGRAM.
I'M SUPPORTIVE -- WHEN WE FIRST PASSED IT IN 2003, NO
SMALLER BASIS.
BUT I'M PROUD THAT SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL ENLARGED THE PROGRAM
BECAUSE WE DID NEED STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ALL ACROSS THE
CITY, AND WE ARE DOING IT, AND IT'S FANTASTIC.
I COMMEND YOU FOR IT.
I ASKED TO HAVE THIS PULLED.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS UNDER STAFF REPORTS ALREADY,
SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE MBE ISSUE, AND WE ARE GOING TO
KEEP BANGING ON THAT ISSUE A LOT UNTIL PEOPLE GET TIRED OF
IT.
BUT MAYBE WE CAN MAKE SOME GAINS.
I SAW IN THE CONTRACTOR, THE PRIMARY CONTRACTOR'S RESPONSE.
HE OR SHE OR THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THEY ESTIMATE A
MINORITY, SMALL BUSINESS, WHAT DO WE CALL IT, WMBE ESTIMATE
OF APPROXIMATELY 8% AND MAYBE UP TO 11% DEPENDING IF THE
CITY BUYS THE CULVERTS OURSELVES.
WE ALL HEARD ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THAT FOLKS ARE TIRED OF
US MULLING AROUND IN THE SINGLE DIGITS FOR WMBE.
AND THIS DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO YOUR PROGRAMS, JEAN.
THIS APPLIES TO ALL THE CITY'S PROJECTS.
I'M GLAD MR. BAIRD JUST WALKED IN BECAUSE HE HAS MANY OF
THEM, TOO.
BUT ARE WE SATISFIED WITH THAT?
IF THEY CAME IN AT 8%, OR IF WE CAN TWEAK IT UP TO 11%, IS
THAT IT?
IS THAT OUR GOAL?
IS THAT WHERE WE WANT TO BE?
THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT BY ANYBODY'S ESTIMATION, $35 MILLION.
AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO LAST A COUPLE, MAYBE TWO YEARS OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAN WE DO BETTER?
12:37:40PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO MR. GREGORY HART,
OUR MINORITY BUSINESS OFFICER, AND HE CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU
A LITTLE BETTER EXPLANATION ON THAT.
12:37:49PM >> GREGORY HART, EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.
WE STRIVE, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO MAXIMIZE OPPORTUNITIES AT
EVERY COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT THAT WE ENGAGE IN AND THERE'S
A PROCESS BY WHICH WE ATTEMPT TO DO THAT.
AND THOSE THAT ARE SET ON PROJECTS ARE DRIVEN BY EMPIRICAL
DATA THAT IS A RESULT OF OUR DISPARITY STUDY, AND DISPARITY
ANALYSIS.
AND ALSO NARROWLY TAILORED TO IMPACT THOSE GOODS AFFECTED BY
UNDERUTILIZATION OF PARTICIPATION IN PROJECTS.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE ARE BOUND AND
DEDICATED TO SET GOALS WHICH ARE TARGETED GENDER SPECIFIC
AND ETHNIC SPECIFIC PARTICIPATION MUST BE BASED ON
AVAILABILITY, CAPACITY AND CERTIFICATION.
SO WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION, AND WE APPLY STATISTICAL
EVIDENCE THAT WILL JUSTIFY THE CITY SETTING MANDATED GOALS
FOR PARTICIPATION.
AND SO WE DO THAT, WE ARE BEING MAXIMIZING THE OPPORTUNITY
BY IDENTIFYING EMPIRICALLY WHO IS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO IS
LICENSED TO DO SPECIFIC WORK, AND HAS THE CAPACITY TO
RESPOND TO THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
THEN WE TAKE THOSE PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS, AND THE GNP, WE
GET THE ENGINEERING ASPECT, WHICH IS DEVELOPED BY THE
CONSULTANT.
THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP THE BUDGET, AND THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY
ALL OF THE TASKS AND CATEGORIES OF WORK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE THEN HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE PROJECT TASK WORK SHOT.
WE LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
WE ALIGN THEM WITH WHO IN THE COMMUNITY THAT OPERATES AS A
SUBCONTRACTOR OR PRIME, COULD RESPOND TO THE NEED TO
PROSECUTE THAT WORK, AND IN SHORT, TO CUT TO THE CHASE, WE
USE THAT INFORMATION TO SET A GOAL, THE MAXIMUM GOAL OF
PARTICIPATION.
AND THEN WE REQUIRE THAT BIDDER TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY
AND SOLICIT QUOTES, BASED ON THAT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S
IN THAT CONTRACT.
AND THAT'S OHIO WE ARE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE EVIDENCE TO SAY,
WE EXPECT YOU TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT, AND WE KNOW THIS IS
WHAT'S HOW THE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
COME BACK TO US AND ATTEMPT TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL.
IF YOU DON'T, TELL US WHY.
DEMONSTRATE WHY THAT OCCURRED.
SO I HOPE THAT HELPS.
12:40:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JUST AS A CONTINUATION.
THANK YOU, MR. HART.
LET'S SPEAK TO THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT AND $35 MILLION.
OKAY.
ON PAGE 31 IN THE ULTIMATE CONTRACT, AND THIS WAS A DESIGN
BUILD EFFORT.
SO THIS CONTRACT LIKE SO OF OUR BIG CONTRACTS, THIS IS LIKE,
OKAY, PRIME TIME CONTRACTOR, YOU TAKE THIS SOUP TO NUTS.
YOU ARE GOING TO DESIGN IT.
YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD IT.
THEN IT'S GOING TO GET INSPECTED.
THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE WHOLE DEAL, OKAY?
I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALLER
ENGINEERING FIRMS IN THE MINORITY COMMUNITY, OR WOMEN
COMMUNITY, WHAT HAVE YOU, SMALL ENGINEERING FIRMS TO ASSIST.
DEFINITELY.
I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DIGGING HOLES IN THE GROUND AND
STOPPING TRAFFIC AND ALL THESE TYPES OF STANDARD
CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN'T FIND, YOU KNOW,
MORE THAN 8 OR 9% OF THE WOMEN AND MINORITY COMMUNITIES TO
ASSIST THIS PRIME CONTRACTOR WITH THIS PROJECT.
WITH THAT SAID, THEY MAKE REFERENCE IN ITEM 30.4, IT SAYS:
THE FIRM SHALL REPORT TO THE CITY ITS SUBCONTRACTORS AND
SUBCONSULTANTS AND SUPPLIERS SOLICITED OR UTILIZED AS
REQUIRED BY EXHIBIT C.
DO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT RESPONSE IN OUR POSSESSION?
OR IS THAT SOMETHING THEY GIVE US LATER?
12:42:16PM >> GREGORY HART:
YES, SIR.
YOU HAVE THAT OR SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIAL.
12:42:23PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
12:42:26PM >> WELL, YOU MAY NOT YET FOR THE GNP.
NOW, THESE TYPE PROJECTS ARE -- THEY ARE APPROACHED UNDER
TWO SPECIFIC PHASES.
12:42:38PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE IS MY QUESTION, GREG, BEFORE YOU GO
ON.
I DON'T CARE IF I HAVE IT BECAUSE I AM NOT SEEING IT.
BUT SOMETIMES I DON'T FIND ALL THE BACKUP, BUT THAT'S
PROBABLY MY OWN FAULT.
MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE IT?
DO WE AS A CITY ALREADY HAVE THAT RESPONSE THAT SAYS YOU ARE
THE PEOPLE WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT, CONTACT, YOU KNOW,
HERE ARE THE ONES WE PLAN ON USING, YADA YADA.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE --
12:43:07PM >>GREGORY HART:
YES, SIR.
WE ARE IN THE GNP STAGE WHERE WE HAVE EXAMINED THE WAY THE
CONTRACTS ARE DESIGNED AND BUILD THE BUDGET FOR THE ACTUAL
CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S PHASE 2.
WE ARE THERE NOW.
HAVING REACHED THAT PHASE 2 POINT, WE HAVE SAT DOWN WITH THE
CONTRACTOR, WE HAVE EXAMINED HIS MATERIALS, AND WE HAVE
PROVIDED WHERE THEY GO BASED ON THE INFORMATION, WHICH IS
15%, AND WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED THAT CONTRACTOR WITH A
MINIMUM CONTACT LIST BASED ON HOUR REVIEW OF OUR DATABASE,
AND WE SAY, HERE, HERE AT THE MINIMUM, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE,
MINIMUM, A MINIMUM LIST OF 50 FIRMS WHICH NOW WE ARE TELLING
YOU AT THIS STAGE, AN ON APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM, YOU ARE NOW
TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND SOLICIT QUOTES FROM OUR
CERTIFIED --
12:44:02PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER BECAUSE YOU SAID
THE KEY NUMBER.
YOU SAID 15%, RIGHT?
12:44:06PM >> YES, SIR.
12:44:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HER RESPONSE DATED MAY -- EXCUSE ME, HIS
RESPONSE, DONALD WOODRUFF, PRESIDENT OF THIS PARTICULAR
VENDOR, THE PRIME CONTRACTOR, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, HE
SAYS, CURRENTLY OUR DP PARTICIPATION IS APPROXIMATELY 8.8%
BASED ON ALL SUBCONTRACTOR WORK.
SO SHOULD THE CITY DO THIS IN A DIRECT PURCHASE WITH A BOX
CULVERT, THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE ADJUSTED TO 11%.
HE'S TELLING YOU, HEY, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR 15% GOAL.
THIS IS OUR RESPONSE, 8.8%.
AND -- AND SO IT'S ALMOST HALF OF WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
SO WE ARE GOING IN ACCEPTING ALMOST HALF OF WHAT OUR GOAL
IS, AND WE'LL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IF WE DID THAT.
12:44:59PM >>GREGORY HART:
THE CONTRACTOR DOES NOT SET THE GOAL.
THE CITY SET A GOAL OF 15%.
THE CONTRACTOR IS FORECAST BASED ON THEIR PRELIMINARY
OBSERVATION AND EXPECTATION OF WHERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES MAY
BE.
AND I COMPLIMENT THEM ON THAT.
SO THEY HAVE GOTTEN A HEAD OF THE GAME, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT THEY DO NOT SET THE GOAL.
WE TELL THEM WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, AND WHAT WE EXPECT.
AND IT'S 15%, NOT 8%.
12:45:23PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT.
BUT WE DIDN'T -- I HAVE A FEELING WE DIDN'T REBUT THIS
LETTER OF MAY 21st.
And I have done construction litigation, and this was the
evidence for him to say, hey, we let you know, and nobody
responded back, and had a problem with it, okay?
And as Mr. Miranda said earlier, he said, what did you say
about -- what did you say about when we go out, you are
going to walk the alley?
What was that expression you used?
12:45:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
Trust and verify.
I want to go see the alley.
12:45:58PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
And my point is, this is the same thing,
Charlie.
If they throw this to us and say 8%, you know, we are doing
really great at 8%, and you are saying 15%, then I know you,
Greg.
I have known you a long time and you are a great guy and you
work hard at this and you probably get a lot of information
back from these vendors.
I think we need to trust you, but verify later.
So my motion, I am going to recommend we approve this.
We need to get this stormwater stuff moving.
But I also am going to suggest that every couple of months
OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS BE THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING ON,
OFFER WHATEVER IT IS, THAT YOU COME BACK WITH THE VERIFY,
AND MR. MIRANDA INDICATED, NO DIFFERENT CONTEXT, AND THAT
YOU COME BACK TO US AND SAY, LET TELL US HOW HE'S DOING,
LET'S TELL US THAT HE'S HITTING THAT 15%, AND IF HE'S NOT,
LET'S GET HIM IN HERE AND HIS COMPANY IN HERE TO TELL US
WHY.
AND I THINK ONLY WHEN WE DO THAT SORT OF THING DO WE
ACTUALLY HIT OUR GOAL.
12:47:09PM >>GREGORY HART:
IF I MAY, SIR.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE MEET WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
WE DISCUSS THAT VERY POSITION THAT THEY TOOK EARLY ON.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE SIT DOWN, WHICH IS REQUIRED AS PART OF
THE GNP PROCESS, WE DISCOVER THAT VERY FORECAST THAT IS
MISSING.
WE KNOW WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, AND BASED ON THE
INFORMATION WE HAVE, THAT GOAL WILL BE 15%, AND THAT'S WHAT
YOU ARE GOING TO --
12:47:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND THAT'S THE LETTER THAT SHOULD BE IN
THE FILE IN RESPONSE TO MAY 21ST LETTER THAT SAYS EXACTLY
THAT.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU, GREG.
YOU ARE SAID IT VERBALLY.
BUT GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T CARRY AS MUCH WEIGHT UNLESS WE
PUT IN THE WRITING, AND THEY KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR HARD
WRITTEN EXPECTATION.
I AM NOT PICKING ON YOU.
YOU KNOW THAT.
12:47:55PM >>GREGORY HART:
YES, SIR.
AND IT IS IN THE FILE.
IT'S ON 15%. WE HAVE THE DBO DETERMINATION LETTER, WHICH IS
ANOTHER INSTRUMENT THAT'S BINDING; IT'S ON FILE.
YOU MAY NOT SEE ALL OF IT, THE BACK-HOUSE WORK THAT GOES
INTO THIS.
BUT IT'S THERE.
WE COME TO THE CITY AND WE MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT THE CITY'S
EXPECTATION IS FOR MINORITY AND SMALL BUSINESS
PARTICIPATION.
THE DOCUMENTATION IS THERE.
12:48:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?
12:48:25PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I KNOW I HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU SET UP. I
KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT
I AM NOT HAPPY WITH.
VERIFICATION IS KEY.
AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, I ALWAYS VERIFY FACTS.
I THINK WE RUBBER STAMP.
WE GO OUT.
WE DON'T MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAYING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE GOING OUT TO THESE CONTRACTS, SEEING
THEY HAVE MINORITIES ON THE JOB.
HOW DO WE KNOW?
WHO VERIFIES THAT THEY ARE ACTUAL TELLING YOU THEY ARE AT
15%, OR THEY JUST GIVE YOU AN EXPLANATION, HERE ARE THE
EMPLOYEES, BUT DO WE KNOW THOSE PERSONS EVER HIT THE JOB
SITE?
THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I AM GOING TO BE ASKING IN THE NEAR
FUTURE, AND I HAVE GOT -- I AM NOT GOING TO HAMMER YOU
TODAY.
WE'LL DO IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS BECAUSE I HAVE GOT SOME
SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH YOU, AND PROCUREMENT, HOW OUR FRPs
ARE GOING OUT, EVERYBODY CAN'T EAT.
WE ARE GOING AT 1%.
THAT 1% IS DICTATING HOW IT'S GOING TO GO.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RFPs AND HAVE STEPS, SO THE SMALL GUY
CAN EAT, THE MIDDLE GUY CAN EAT, AND THE BIG GUYS ARE
DICTATING WHO WILL EAT AND WHO WON'T EAT.
THOSE ARE BIG CONCERNS I HAVE.
I AM GOING TO GO OVER THIS TODAY BUT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU
IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION BECAUSE
WE HAVE TO LOOK HOW WE PUT THESE RFPs OUT AND I CAN
GUARANTEE YOU, WE DON'T MARKET WELL ENOUGH AT ALL.
WHY DON'T WE MARK IT MARKET IT?
WE HAVE A BAD MARKETING STRATEGY WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
WE DON'T MARKET AT ALL, IN OUR HOUSING PROGRAMS, WE DON'T
MARKET -- AND I MADE THAT REFERENCE LAST SATURDAY.
YOU WANT PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO GO OUT TO THEM AND GET THE
INFORMATION TO THEM, NOT SMALL BITS AND PIECES WHERE THE BIG
GUY, HE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN BITE.
AND THESE THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH OUR PROCESS.
AND I WANT TO RESERVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS TILL THE END
OF OUR MEETING.
12:50:35PM >>GREGORY HART:
THANK YOU, SIR.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:50:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
ON 67.
12:50:41PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU AND
PARTNER WITH YOU ON THIS.
IT'S A BIG AREA OF INTEREST AND CONCERN OF MINE ALSO,
MINORITY PARTICIPATION.
I HAVE HEARD LOTS OF FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS OF COMPANIES AND
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE MORE.
AND THEY GIVE SOME FEEDBACK THAT I WOULD LOVE TO PASS ON TO
YOU, AND ALSO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
ONE. IDEAS I WAS TALKING TO, WE HAVE AN ISSUE COMING UP IN
A LITTLE WHILE, IT'S A MUCH BIGGER PROJECT THAN THIS ONE,
AND ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I HAD -- AND MAYBE WE GET ABOVE A
CERTAIN SIZE PROJECT TO DO THIS -- IS BESIDE WHATEVER YOU
ARE DOING ALREADY TO REACH OUT TO MINORITY BUSINESSES IS
MAYBE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL SPONSORED FAIR FOR PROJECTS ABOVE
A CERTAIN SIZE.
BUT THAT WAY, WE ARE COMMUNICATING.
WE ARE NOT JUST RELYING ON CITY STAFF TO COMMUNICATE.
WE ARE COMMUNICATING TO ALL OUR NETWORKS AND TELL EVERYBODY,
THIS IS A $35 MILLION CONTRACT, WE ARE A $3 BILLION CONTRACT
COMING UP, AND PLEASE TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS THAT ARE
POSSIBLY QUALIFIED TO COME TO THIS.
THAT WAY, WE KNOW AT LEAST THAT WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH
OUR CONSTITUENTS.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER IDEAS LIKE THAT LATER.
12:51:49PM >>GREGORY HART:
APPRECIATE IT.
12:51:50PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYONE ELSE?
12:51:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:51:54PM >> SECOND.
12:51:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DID YOU HAVE A CONCERN?
12:51:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AND LIKE
I SAID, I WILL SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION FOR ITEM 67 BUT I
WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT STAFF WOULD COME
BACK IN PERSON DURING THE LIFE OF THIS CONTRACT EVERY THREE
MONTHS TO GIVE US AN UPDATE SPECIFICALLY ON THE WMBE ISSUES.
12:52:20PM >> SECOND.
12:52:21PM >> OKAY.
ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT, SIR?
12:52:25PM >> YES.
12:52:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WITH A
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
12:52:30PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
12:52:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SEPTEMBER?
I CAN LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CLERK.
12:52:39PM >>LUIS VIERA:
I ASSUME WE NEED A DATE.
12:52:41PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
12:52:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AT THE START OF THE CONTRACT.
12:52:52PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO I HAVE TO PICK EVERY DATE?
THE FIRST ONE TO START.
MR. SHELBY.
THREE MONTHS.
12:52:56PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
WE COULD START FROM TODAY'S DATE AND GO
THREE MONTHS OUT.
12:53:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE FIRST SEPTEMBER DATE.
12:53:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SEPTEMBER.
12:53:20PM >>LUIS VIERA:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
AND BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM 68, I NEGLECTED TO ASK, GENTLEMEN,
OUR CLERKS, DO YOU ALL -- YOU ARE ALL OKAY?
YOU ARE ALL OKAY?
AND AFTER 68, JUST SO THAT WE CAN STRETCH, LET'S TAKE A
TEN-MINUTE BREAK.
I'M OKAY WITH IT BUT JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT.
FIVE MINUTES.
GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
12:53:43PM >>JEAN DUNCAN:
THE NEXT ITEM 68 IS JUST A COMPANION ITEM.
IT GOES ALONG WITH NUMBER 67.
APPROPRIATING THE 8 MILLION AND CHANGE PORTION IT OF THE
SWFWMD GRANT INTO THIS PROJECT.
SO FINANCIAL RESOLUTION THAT'S TIED TO THE BIGGER GNP ITEM.
12:54:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS?
12:54:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOVE THE RESOLUTION 69 MOTION BY
COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN SUPPORT IN ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED?
OKAY.
WHO IS HERE FOR 69?
LET'S TAKE A 5-MINUTE BREAK.
5 MINUTES.
WE WILL BE BACK IN FIVE.
(COUNCIL RECESS).
12:58:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY, CITY COUNCIL IS BACK IN SESSION.
ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
1:13:07PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.
1:13:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.
1:13:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.
1:13:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.
1:13:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.
1:13:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND COUNCILMAN CITRO.
YOU SAID YOU HAD TO LEAVE AT 2 AND YOU WANTED TO QUICKLY
MAKE A MOTION.
1:13:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.
I DO HAVE A COMMITMENT THAT I MADE BEFORE THE ELECTION ON
TODAY'S DATE SO I APOLOGIZE.
BUT THERE IS A MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, AND IF I
COULD, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK BEFORE I MAKE THIS
MOTION, I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY THREE WIRELESS CARRIERS,
AT&T, T MOBILE, VERIZON, ABOUT CONSTRAINTS WITH OUR
PERMITTING DEPARTMENT WITH INSTALLING 5G WIRELESS NETWORKS.
SO NOTHING AGAINST OUR WONDERFUL CITY STAFF, AND ESPECIALLY
OUR PERMITTING DEPARTMENT.
I AM TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN EXPEDITE SOME OF THESE THINGS.
HENCE MY MOTION IS IF COUNCIL WILL HOLD A WORKSHOP TO
DISCUSS HOW WE CAN CREATE BEST PRACTICES TO STREAMLINE THE
PROCESS OF APPLICATIONS WITH 5G WIRELESS, AND PURSUANT TO
SUPPORT THE GOALS OF OUR SMALL CELL WIRELESS PROVIDERS, THAT
WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND ALLOW THE PROVIDERS
TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS AND WORK WITH US TO MAKE THIS
PROCESS MORE EFFICIENT, TO BE HELD, IF I MAY, ON AUGUST
29th.
1:14:32PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
SECOND, I BELIEVE, BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
OPPOSED?
ANYTHING ELSE?
1:14:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
I WILL STAY AROUND UNTIL I HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO LEAVE.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR THIS.
1:14:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS AT THE WORKSHOP
BUT THE DANGER HERE IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE READY FOR
SUPER BOWL.
WE ARE GOING TO BE EMBARRASSED.
REMEMBER WHEN THE RNC HAPPENED AND CHRIS CHRISTIE WAS
SWEATING BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY
THAT WE GOT ON THE RNC.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET INTERNATIONAL NEGATIVE PUBLICITY
BECAUSE OF THIS IF THIS IS NOT READY.
1:15:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK --
1:15:20PM >> IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS OF THE MEDIA
COVERAGE OF THE RNC CONVENTION, ALMOST ALL OF THE STORIES,
MY FIRM FOUND ALL BUT TWO OF THE STORIES HAD AT LEAST ONE
NEGATIVE COMMENT IN IT.
AND PART OF IT WAS AROUND THE HEAT AND THE LACK OF SHADE AND
COVERING AND OTHER THINGS.
AND IN THIS CASE, BY THE TIME PEOPLE GET HERE FOR THE SUPER
BOWL, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 5-G.
AT LEAST AROUND THE SUPER BOWL, AND THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT
4-G COVERAGE AND WE DON'T.
AND THERE'S A REASON THAT THE PARTICULAR PERSON DID NOT LIKE
THE WAY THESE ANTENNAS LOOKED ON THE SIDEWALK.
AND THAT'S WHY POTENTIALLY WE ARE GOING TO BE EMBARRASSED.
1:16:00PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE BUT I REMEMBER SOME
TIME BACK ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO, THAT
THIS BE CAME UP ON COUNCIL AND AFTER I FOUND OUT THAT THE
STATE EXEMPTED THEMSELVES, MADE A SPECIAL DEAL AND THEN
PASSED A LAW THAT WE, THOSE AREAS, HAD TO PUT THE POLES UP
FOR $15 A YEAR RENT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND IT
STUNK.
AND I DON'T TRUST IT AND I DON'T VERIFY ANYTHING THEY WANT.
1:16:26PM >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I CAN MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT.
YES, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON ON THIS, SHOWING OFF
THE CITY OF TAMPA IN SUPER BOWL.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE ASKED AT
THIS TIME, AND I HOPE THAT THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL
COME UP WITH SOME REALLY GREAT QUESTIONS AS TO THESE
PROVIDERS.
1:16:44PM >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOW WE MOVE ON WITH THE REMAINDER OF OUR AGENDA.
MS. COYLE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU SAID YOU HAD A COMMITMENT THAT
WOULD PRECLUDE YOU FROM BEING HERE MORE THAN 20 MINUTES FROM
NOW, I GUESS.
SO ANY OBJECTION WITH COUNCIL PROCEEDING WITH 71 AND 72
FIRST?
1:17:06PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
SPEAKING YOU BRIEFLY ON ITEM NUMBER 71.
SO THE DISCUSSION ON MAY 2nd WAS A GROUP HOME CAME IN
FOR SOME RESIDENTS, AND THEY HAD TO GET A WAIVER FROM THE
DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
THE CONVERSATION CAME UP ABOUT WHAT ARE DISTANCE SEPARATION
REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH?
THE STATUTE HERE IS 419.001 FLORIDA STATUTES.
THIS IS FOR THE STATUTE DEEMED COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES,
LIVING FACILITIES, AND OUR CODE WERE BOTH THE SAME THING.
SO WASH THE STATUTE REQUIRES IS 1,000 FEET BETWEEN THE SMALL
RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND IT REQUIRES 1200 FEET FOR ANY THAT
ARE LARGER THAN.
THAT SO 7 OR MORE BEDS WOULD BE A LARGE RESIDENTIAL HOME
THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE 1200 FEET.
SO GRAPHICALLY REPRESENTED.
YOU HAVE YOUR LARGER ONES.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE THE SMALLER ONES WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET,
AND THAT IS FOR PER THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
OUR CODE PRETTY CLOSELY MIRRORS IT.
IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL -- WE
DEAL WITH IT IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CODE THAT HAVE BEEN
WE DEAL WITH IT, ZONING DISTRICT, BUT YOU CAN SEE 743, A
THOUSAND FEET FOR 6 OR FEWER RESIDENTS, AND 6 OR FEWER
RESIDENTS LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET, AND SPECIAL USE
CRITERIA DEALING WITH THE 7 AND MORE, THAN COMMUNITY
RESIDENTIAL HOMES, REQUIRE 1200 FEET.
SO BOTTOM LINE, OUR CODE REALLY CLOSELY MIRRORS THE STATUTE
AND IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATUTE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN FEDERAL
LITIGATION REGARDING THESE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
THE STATUTE PROVIDES.
WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO THE DISTANCE
SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS AT THIS TIME, BUT I AM HERE IF YOU
HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, THINGS TO DISCUSS.
1:19:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
1:19:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WELL, MY QUESTION IS, HOW MANY DO WE ALLOW
IN A CERTAIN RADIUS OF A COMMUNITY?
1:19:49PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT YOU ARE CODE
REGARDING HOW MANY CAN BE IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL WE HAVE ARE THE DISTANT SEPARATIONS BETWEEN THEM AND
THAT IS MIRRORING WHAT THE STATUTE.
1:20:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THE REASON I ASK THAT IS I HAVE A SMALLER
BOUNDARY AREA, A SMALLER COMMUNITY, AND WE STARTED TO SAY WE
HAVE GOT FIVE, SIX OF THESE HOMES, SOME OF THEM DIFFERENT
TYPES OF HOMES.
THE COMMUNITY SOMETIMES DON'T LIKE CERTAIN THINGS IN THEIR
COMMUNITY.
SOMETIMES THEY EMBRACE THEM.
BUT YOU START PUTTING A REAL EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITIES, IT
BECOMES AN ISSUE.
SO HOUSING, HOW MANY DO WE NEED TO HAVE, OR WORKSHOP ON
THAT?
BECAUSE I CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING.
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MONEY HUNGRY, AND THEY SEE
ABANDONED DUPLEXES AND BUILDINGS AND PUT GROUP HOMES,
DISABILITY HOMES.
SO MY CONCERN IS THE MILE RADIUS OF HOMES THAT WE ARE
PUTTING IN THERE.
1:20:56PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
SO YOUR CONCERN IS -- AND OUR CODE SPEAKS
TO AN OVERCONCENTRATION OF CERTAIN USES IN CERTAIN AREAS,
AND THAT'S WHERE THE DISTANCE SEPARATION COMES FROM.
BUT IT SOUND LIKE YOUR QUESTION IS MORE SPECIFIC TO HOW MANY
ARE IN A PARTICULAR AREA, NOT NECESSARILY HOW FAR THEY ARE
FROM EACH OTHER.
YOU CAN HAVE THREE THERE, BUT THEN THAN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
THE LARGER AREA?
1:21:20PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
RIGHT.
1:21:21PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ASK TO BE
STUDIED.
IT'S NEVER A BAD THING TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING
WITH THE WITHIN THE CITY.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE STUDIED.
1:21:31PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BECAUSE THEY ARE POPPING UP.
1:21:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO ARGUABLY, MR. GUDES, AND CORRECT ME
IF I AM WRONG, MS. MORA, ARGUABLY, THE STATE ESTABLISHES
THIS AS A MINIMUM DISTANCE SEPARATION, ARGUABLY IF WE GET
FINDINGS OF OUR OWN DURING AN ORDINANCE PROCESS OR WHATEVER,
WORKSHOP ORDINANCE, WE COULD ENLARGE THAT DISTANCE
SEPARATION, WHICH COULD HAVE THE -- WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF
REDUCING THE NUMBER OF ANY TYPES OF THESE TYPES OF
FACILITIES WITHIN ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY.
ARGUABLY.
I'M NOT SAYING I ADVOCATE THAT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED IN TERMS OF
ADA, AND RIGHTS, AND CIVIL RIGHTS, AND POTENTIAL LAWSUITS,
ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE VERY REASONABLE AND CAREFUL WHEN WE
ESTABLISH THOSE DISTANCE SEPARATIONS.
BUT TO PERHAPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT, THAT IS
ONE WAY TO SKIN THAT CAT.
1:22:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I CAN SAY THAT THESE CONGREGATE LIVING
FACILITIES AND GROUP HOMES FOR THE ELDERLY, THAT'S MAINLY
WHAT THEY ARE NO LOT OF AREAS, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH IN
NEED.
NO MATTER IF IT'S 1200 FEET, AND WE CONTINUE -- I AM NOT
SAYING THIS COUNCIL, WE MEANING ELECTED OFFICIALS --
CONTINUE TO SAY, WELL,IS ONLY 1150 FEET, AND YOU KEEP
THINKING, 1200 FEET, AND YOU KEEP GIVING THEM 900 FEET, 800
FEET, AND I CAN NAME YOU TWO OF THEM.
ONE IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ONE, RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
IT'S LIKE THE SIZE OF THE OTHER ONE.
MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF IT'S 200 FEET OR 2,000 FEET.
IF YOU KEEP GIVING THEM THE PREFERENCE OF CHANGING THAT
WAIVER AND GOING BACK TO WHATEVER YOU WANT, THEN DON'T MAKE
IT ANY DISTANCE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER.
AND WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE MEANING ELECTED OFFICIALS, NOT
THIS BODY, MANY TIMES OVER.
I'M JUST SAYING.
I TRUST -- AND I WILL VERIFY, BECAUSE THE RULES HAVE CHANGED
TO WHOEVER COMES BEFORE THE PODIUM.
1:24:01PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, SIR.
1:24:07PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK YOUR PURPOSE IN BRINGING THIS UP WAS
TO ANSWER A QUESTION THAT WE HAD DURING THAT ONE ITEM, SO I
THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP.
1:24:16PM >>CATHERINE COYLE:
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION AS OPPOSED TO
DOING THAT STUDY OF WHERE THEY ARE, A LICENSE BY THE STATE,
THERE IS ACTUALLY A WEBSITE.
IT'S A FACILITY WEBSITE THAT'S RUN BY THAT PARTICULAR AGENCY
AND THAT'S HOW WE FIND WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE IN A CERTAIN
DISTANCE.
OR I CAN SEND A LINK TO EACH OF YOU AND YOU CAN GO IN AND
LOW AT THE GEOGRAPHY AND SEE WHERE ALL THE FACILITIES ARE,
THE NAME, LICENSE NUMBERS, CONTACT INFORMATION.
THAT WAY YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, IN WHAT AREAS OF THE CITY.
1:24:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
NEXT WE MOVE -- OH, NEXT MOVE TO ITEM 72.
THAT WAS MR. MANISCALCO WENT TO THE RESTROOM.
AND 73.
1:25:00PM >>REBECCA KERT:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I'M HERE ON ITEM 72, WHICH WAS A REQUEST TO APPEAR AND
ADDRESS THE FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING AND SHOE DROP LOCATION SITES
DUE TO SEVERAL COMPLAINTS AT THE DISTRICT.
THIS WAS MADE ON MAY 24th.
WE HAD TWO WEEKS TO LOOK INTO THAT.
AND MY INITIAL REVIEW OF THIS TWO WEEKS, DONATION BOXES --
1:25:28PM >> POINT OF ORDER?
1:25:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, I KNOW.
AND I AM TEXTING MR. MANISCALCO.
1:25:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. MANISCALCO, UP MIGHT WANT TO COME
BACK. THIS IS YOUR ITEM.
1:25:44PM >>REBECCA KERT:
DONATION SITES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME
LEVEL OF BE SPEECH AS DETERMINED BY THE COURTS, ARE
PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT --
1:25:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
IF WE COULD JUST WAIT 30 SECOND FOR GUIDO.
1:26:03PM >>LUIS VIERA:
GO TO ANOTHER ONE?
1:26:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WANT TO DO 73?
LET'S DO 73.
ANYONE HERE FOR 73?
ACTUALLY, STRIKE THAT.
LET'S SAVE THAT ONE FOR LAST.
WE'LL JUST WAIT.
1:26:30PM >>LUIS VIERA:
WE HAVE 69.
70.
AND IT 69 AND 70 ARE GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
AND YOU ARE GOING?
MRS. KERT?
1:26:45PM >>REBECCA KERT:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
I AM HERE ON ITEM 72, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO APPEAR AND
ADDRESS THE FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING AND SHAW DROP LOCATION SITES
DUE TO SEVERAL COMPLAINTS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
SO AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD TWO WEEKS TO LOOK INTO THIS AND I CAN
TELL KNEW TWO WEEKS WE DETERMINED THAT DONATION SITES, THE
COURT HAS DETERMINED HAVE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION.
THIS WAS PARTICULARLY LIMITED TO FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING SO I AM
NOT SURE FOR-PROFIT CLOTHING OR DONATION SITES, BUT HOWEVER
YOU LOOK AT THESE, PROBABLY SOME OF THEM WOULD FALL INTO A
CONTEXT THAT WAS PROTECTED EVEN IF IT WASN'T ALL OF THEM.
IN LIGHT OF THAT, AND ALSO IN RESPONSE TO THE SECOND PART OF
THE MOTION WHICH WAS, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON OUR CODE TO HELP
REGULATE THIS ISSUE, YOU DO CURRENTLY HAVE SOME PROVISIONS
THAT APPLY TO THESE.
WHAT THESE ACTUAL COMPLAINTS ARE WEREN'T PART OF THE MOTION
BUT SOME OF THEM ARE INTUITIVE, UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF
THESE AND LOOKING AT THE CASES AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT
AROSE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THESE.
AND THOSE INCLUDE THE ACCUMULATION, PEOPLE DROPPING OFF AT
THE BOXES BEING FULL, SO THERE'S ACCUMULATION OUTSIDE OF THE
BOXES.
IN ADDITION TO THE BOXES BEING PLACED IN LOCATIONS THAT ARE
BLOCKING PARKING OR OTHER SITES.
SO CURRENTLY UNDER OUR CODE, THEY ARE TREATED AS A PORTABLE
ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A
COMMUNITY ASPECT TO THEM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A SPEECH
ASPECT SO IT'S COMPLETELY CONTENT NEUTRAL.
THESE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REDUCED REQUIRED PARKING, SETS
BACKS OR REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
SO THEY ARE PLACED IN AREAS THAT CAUSE NUMEROUS PROBLEMS.
THERE IS ALREADY A CODE VIOLATION.
IN ADDITION, YOUR CHAPTER 19 OF YOUR CODE PREVENTS
ACCUMULATIONS.
SO IF THERE ARE ACCUMULATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE BOX THAT'S ALSO
ALREADY A CODE VIOLATION.
I DID SPEAK TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY DID TELL ME THAT
THEY ARE ENFORCING THAT, AND SO IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT, AND
I HEARD THERE WERE SEVERAL COMPLAINTS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT
I SUGGEST YOU DIRECT THEM TO CODE ENFORCEMENT WHO HAS TOLD
ME THEY ARE PREPARED TO ENFORCE THOSE CODES.
AND IF THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND THERE'S FURTHER PROBLEMS,
THEN PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION HOW TO PROCEED ON THIS
MATTER.
1:29:06PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ALL RIGHT.
MR. MANISCALCO, THEN MR. GUDES.
1:29:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AS YOU SAID CODE HAS SOME JURISDICTION
BUT IF IT CONTINUES, AND CONTINUES OUT OF CONTROL, AND JUST
GETS OUT OF HAND, THEN WE WILL REVISIT THAT.
BUT I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME BASIS OR FOUNDATION
THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY TO MONITOR OR CONTROL
THESE.
THANK YOU.
1:29:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL DEAL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE
ACTUAL OWNER OF THE BOX OR BOTH?
1:29:45PM >> THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE BOTH.
TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO CODE ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THE CODE
ENFORCEMENT HEARING MASTER PROCESS, YOU ARE GOING TO
BE -- THE RESULT OF THAT IS A FINE WHICH TURNS INTO A LIEN,
SO THAT TYPICALLY IS GOING TO GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE POTENTIAL, WE HAVE OTHER CODE
TOOLS IN OUR TOOL BOX THAT COULD BE USED TO GO AFTER THE
PERSON THAT IS PUTTING IT THERE
SO GENERALLY, IT WOULD BE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER'S
STANDPOINT, ALLOWING THE BOX TO BE THERE.
BUT IF THAT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE PARTICULAR SITUATION, WE
DO HAVE SOME OTHER TOOLS TO BE UTILIZED.
1:30:23PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.
1:30:25PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
THANK YOU.
NEXT, MS. COYLE, THESE ARE THE LAST TWO, CORRECT?
GOOD LUCK.
NEXT WE MOVE ONTO TO ITEM 69 AND 70.
I'M SORRY.
I WAS THINKING OF 68.
1:30:45PM >> CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT.
ITEM 69 IS FOR SERVICE PUMP STATION AND MISCELLANEOUS
IMPROVEMENTS AT THE DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT
FACILITY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
1:30:56PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
1:31:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CHUCK, I THINK YOU WERE SITTING OR HIDING
IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WHEN THE OTHER WMBE DISCUSSION WAS
GOING ON ABOUT YOUR EARLIER ITEM, 67?
1:31:15PM >> I WAS HERE.
1:31:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT WAS THE QUESTION I HAD AS RELATED TO
69.
AGAIN, THE COVER SHEET -- AND I APPRECIATE THE
STRAIGHTFORWARD NATURE OF THE COVER SHEET SAYS THE
CONTRACTOR REPORTS 11.22% CUMULATIVE WMBE PARTICIPATIONS
ADDED UP, AND THEY ATTACHED SOME KIND OF FORMS I.DON'T KNOW
WHAT THOSE DMI FORMS ARE, BUT I ASSUME THAT PROBABLY TELLS
US THAN WHO OR WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING.
BUT AGAIN, WE ARE SHORT OF THE STATED CITY GOAL OF 15%.
WE ARE SHORT ON THE FRONT END GOING IN TO A SIGNIFICANT
CONTRACT OF $4 MILLION.
AND I JUST WONDER HOW FAR WE PUSH, HOW HARD WE PUSH, AND IS
THAT YOU DOING THE PUSHING OR MR. HART OR BOTH?
1:32:15PM >> BOTH, SIR.
LET ME CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.
THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT IS JUST DESIGN ONLY.
THE PROJECT IS A MUCH LARGER PROJECT.
AND WE WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE CCNA PROCEDURE TO LOOK FOR
A CONSULTANT.
AND IN THAT PROCESS, THIS PARTICULAR CONSULTANT SCORED VERY
HIGH WITH EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
THIS DESIGN PHASE, THERE'S I THINK 7 IF NOT 8 DIFFERENT
SMALL OR EQUAL OPPORTUNITY BUSINESS COMPANIES THAT ARE
PARTICIPATING IN THE DESIGN PHASE ALONE.
AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL GET THE 15% MARK EASILY WHEN
THE CONSTRUCTION HITS.
1:33:00PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO IT AND MAKE SURE YOU POINT IT OUT WHEN YOU
DO.
THANK YOU.
1:33:06PM >> YES, SIR.
1:33:08PM >>LUIS VIERA:
ANYTHING FURTHER?
OKAY.
ANYONE WISH TO MOVE FOR THE RESOLUTION?
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
WE MOVE NOW TO ITEM 70.
1:33:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATOR.
BEFORE I GET STARTED, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE CHUCK WEBER HAND
OUT A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION.
THE REASON I'M DOING THIS IS SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS
THAT WE BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY, THE PRESENTATION HAS CHANGED
QUITE A BIT SINCE THEN.
I SHOULDN'T SAY QUITE A BIT, BUT IN SOME OF THE SMALLER
AREAS.
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WE BRIEFED OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS,
YOU WON'T SEE MUCH CHANGE.
1:34:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GIVE OR TAKE A BILLION DOLLARS?
1:34:12PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
NO, THE NUMBERS STAY QUITE THE SAME.
PULL UP THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
SO GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA QUICKLY.
I WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW PLUS GO THROUGH A FEW ITEMS THAT
WERE RAISED IN THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
THEN TURN IT OVER TO MR. CHUCK WEBER, WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF
THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
WHO WILL TALK ABOUT HIS TWO MASTER PLANS AND ALL THE WATER
DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
THEN FOLLOWING CHUCK WILL BE WASTEWATER NEEDS BY ERIC WEISS,
WHO IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
AND THEN SONYA LITTLE, OUR CFO, OF COURSE, WILL WRAP IT UP
WITH FUNDING SCENARIOS OF HOW WE FUND THESE TWO MASTER
PROGRAMS.
SO THE PICTURE TO THE LEFT IS A LARGE FORCE MAIN BREAK IN
FRONT OF ONE OF OUR MASTER PUMPING STATIONS ON 131st
AVENUE, AND A FORCE MAIN IS A WASTEWATER PIPELINE THAT IS
UNDER PRESSURE.
AND ERIC WILL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT IN HIS
PRESENTATION.
THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT IS A TYPICAL CAVE-IN WHERE DIRT
ABOVE THE PIPELINE GOES INTO A FAILED PIPELINE BECAUSE THE
WATER TABLE IS ABOVE THAT PIPELINE, TYPICALLY, AND IT JUST
TAKES THE DIRT INTO THE PIPELINE UNTIL YOU SEE THIS ON THE
ROADWAY SURFACE.
AND THIS LOCATION WAS ON ARMENIA JUST NORTH OF KENNEDY
BOULEVARD.
AND THEN WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURES ARE ON THE INCREASE
AS WELL.
THIS HAPPENS TO BE A MAJOR WATER MAIN BREAK ON NORTH ROME
AVENUE, AND IN THIS BREAK, WATER WAS SHUT DOWN FOR UP TO A
WEEK, AND WATER WENT INTO SEVERAL HOMES.
WE HAD TO RESTORE, DRY OUT, AND CLEAN UP AND RESTORE IT.
THIS SLIDE IS ONE OF THE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING.
I NEED TO CREDIT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR ASKING LAST TIME TO
ADD THIS SLIDE.
SO WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING?
I'M USING WASTEWATER EXAMPLE HERE, BUT THIS APPLIES TO THE
WATER DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
REACTIVE COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE, TO REPAIR CAVE-INS, FORCED
MAIN BREAKS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TREATMENT PLANT.
AND THIS IS JUST ASSOCIATED WITH, IN THIS CASE, THE
COLLECTION SYSTEM.
SO THE COSTS FOR DOING NOTHING, THEY INCLUDE EXPOSURE TO
CONSENT ORDERS, REDUCTION IN BOND RATINGS, AND DEPLETION OF
RESERVES.
AND THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE ON THIS SLIDE IS THAN THAT
REACTIVE COSTS, WHEN YOU ARE REACTING TO AN EMERGENCY, ARE
AT LEAST DOUBLE, SOMETIMES MORE THAN IF YOU WERE PROACTIVE
AND YOU WERE ABLE TO FIX THE PIPELINE BEFORE IT FAILED.
CERTAINLY THIS PROBLEM IS GETTING WORSE AND IS NOT GOING
AWAY.
SO WE WILL GET INTO DETAILED NUMBERS LATER IN THE
PRESENTATION, BUT THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR TOTAL WATER,
WASTEWATER CIP NEEDS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WHICH EQUALS
3.2 BILLION.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN IN ORANGE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S FRONT-END LOADED.
ANOTHER AREA THAT BOTH CHUCK AND ERIC WILL GET INTO.
THE BLUE SHOWS WHAT WE ARE FUNDED WITH EXISTING REVENUES
STARTING IN 2016.
AND FUNDS USING AVAILABLE RESERVES, MAINTAINING RESERVES IN
ACCORDANCE WITH OUR INTERNAL POLICIES.
YOU CAN SEE THE LAST MAJOR SPIKE IN THE BLUE IS IN 2019.
SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE, BUT YOU CAN
SEE PRETTY QUICKLY, WE RUN OUT OF MONEY, AND FACE THE
POSSIBILITY OF GOING UNDER THOSE RESERVE POLICY AMOUNTS THAT
WE HAVE SET UP.
NOW TO MY LAST SLIDE.
THE ITEMS RAISED IN INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS, THE FIRST ONE IS
HOW DO WATER, WASTEWATER, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS DOVETAIL
WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DO THEY INCLUDE A GROWTH
COMPONENT?
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS WE ARE PROPOSING FOR
BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER ARE REHABILITATION OF REPLACEMENT
PROJECTS THAT DO NOT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOWEVER, ON THE WATER SIDE, WATER TREATMENT EXPANSION
PROJECTS, WATER SUPPLY, REUSE PROJECTS, WILL BE ADDED TO THE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THIS PLAN IS APPROVED.
SO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM INCLUDING THE TREATMENT PLANT, I
WANT TO POINT OUT, WAS BUILT WITH PLENTY OF CAPACITY, WAS
EXPANDED IN THE LATE 1980s, AND THAT'S WHY WE DO NOT HAVE
A GROWTH COMPONENT WITH THAT DEPARTMENT.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS REALLY COORDINATING WITH THE OTHER
PROGRAMS, LIKE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION AND THE STORMWATER
IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
IT OBVIOUSLY IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO COORDINATE WASTE,
WASTEWATER, TRANSPORTATION, STORMWATER.
WE DON'T WANT TO WAIVE PAVE THE STREET OR PUT NO SIDEWALK TO
COME BACK A YEAR LATER TO TEAR IT UP, TO PUT IN A WATER
LINE.
OR DO SOME STORMWATER WORK, FOR INSTANCE.
SO WE WANT TO COORDINATE THAT.
AND WHAT WE HAVE STARTED DOING, WE PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF
FOUR ENGINEERS, THREE DIRECTORS, USING GIS TO LAY THESE
PROGRAMS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND SEE WHERE WE HAVE SOME
HIGH PRIORITIES, THERE WERE THREE OF THE AREAS, THAT MAYBE
WE GET FIRST, AND WE PACKAGE THESE PROJECTS BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ONE TIME.
THE NEXT ONE IS ON PUBLIC OUTREACH.
AND I JUST WANT TO STRESS ABSOLUTELY PUBLIC OUTREACH WILL BE
A KEY COMPONENT TO IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS.
EVERY DESIGN-BUILD TEAM, EVERY PROGRAM MANAGER, EVERY PART
OF A PROGRAM THAT WE PUT IN WILL HAVE AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC
OUTREACH PROGRAM.
AND THEN FINALLY, ON WMBE AND SBLE FOCUS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY
A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TODAY.
THIS IS CERTAINLY A MUST AND SOMETHING MAYOR CASTOR HAS
STRESSED.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RAMP THAT UP WITH THESE BIG
PROGRAMS.
IT'S PARAMOUNT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
WE WILL BE ABLE TO BETTER CONTROL GOALS AND THE STRUCTURE OF
HOW WE DO THAT WITH A LARGER PROGRAM, AND IT WILL BE MUCH
BETTER THAN BEING PIECEMEALED ON A LOT OF SMALL DESIGN BID
BILLED WORK OR DONE BY AN EMERGENCY, OBVIOUSLY, BY EMERGENCY
YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR WMBE PARTICIPATION.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CHUCK WEBER.
1:42:26PM >> CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT.
SO AS BRAD MENTIONED, WE HAD TWO MASTER PLANS, ONE FOR THE
TREATMENT FACILITIES AND ONE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
BE AT THE TREATMENT PLANT, WE STARTED BY ASSESSING ALL THE
DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT, STRUCTURES THAT WE HAD.
THERE WERE OVER 3,000 DIFFERENT FEATURES, EQUIPMENT,
STRUCTURES, THAT WE ASSESSED.
WE WENT AND LOOKED AT FIVE YEARS WORTH OF MAINTENANCE
RECORDS.
AND THE PURPOSE WAS TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE
WITH THE EQUIPMENT, WITH THESE DIFFERENT TREATMENT PROCESSES
AND WITH THE STRUCTURES.
THE NEXT THING WE DID WAS AN EVALUATION.
WE LOOKED AT WHETHER OR NOT OUR CURRENT TREATMENT PROCESSES
WERE CAPABLE OF MEETING FUTURE REGULATIONS AND HOW WELL WE
WERE MEETING OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
WE ALSO DID SOME BENCHMARKING.
WE WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OF HOW WELL ARE WE DOING
WITH WHAT WE HAVE COMPARED TO OTHERS WHO HAVE THE SIMILAR
TREATMENT PROCESS.
AND WHAT WE FOUND, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS OF CHEMICAL USE
AND ENERGY USE, THAT WE ARE TOP NOTCH.
WE ARE DOING THE BEST THAT WE FEEL CAN BE POSSIBLY DONE WITH
THE TREATMENT PROCESSES AND EQUIPMENT.
THE NEXT STEP WAS TO TAKE ALL THOSE EVALUATIONS, ASSESSMENTS
AND BENCHMARKING, AND IDENTIFY A LIST OF PROJECTS AND
PRIORITIZE THEM, AND THEN DEVELOP CONSTRUCTION PHASING AS TO
BE PRIORITIZE HOW WE CAN MANAGE TO CONSTRUCT, AND WHAT WE
WANT TO DO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND WITH THE EVALUATION WAS THAT WE
ARE NOT QUITE CAPABLE OF RELIABLY PRODUCING AS MUCH WATER AS
THE PLANT IS RATED.
THE PLANT IS CURRENTLY RATED AT 120 MILLION GALLONS A DAY,
AND THAT'S FOR A MAX DAY CAPACITY.
RIGHT NOW WE CAN ONLY RELIABLY PRODUCE 110 OR 120 BE MILLION
GALLONS A DAY AND THAT'S DUE TO AGING EQUIPMENT.
THE PLANT WAS PUT INTO SERVICE IN 1925 AND WE ARE STILL
RUNNING THE ORIGINAL PUMPS, THE HIGH SERVICE PUMPS AND THE
ORIGINAL FILTERS.
AND THAT'S REALLY A TESTAMENT TO HOW WELL THE PLANT HAS BEEN
MAINTAINED.
BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP MAINTAINING EQUIPMENT THAT OLD,
WHENEVER WE HAVE TO DO ROUTINE MAINTENANCE OR EMERGENCY
MAINTENANCE, WHERE THAT PART IS FABRICATED AND THERE AREN'T
ANY PEOPLE THAT MAKE THIS STUFF ANYMORE.
SO IT'S BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN THIS EQUIPMENT
THAN IT IS TO BUILD A WHOLE NEW PUMP STATION.
THE OTHER THING THAT THIS GRAPH SHOWS IS OUT IN THE FUTURE,
WE HAVE A CAPACITY COMPONENT.
WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DEMANDS OVER THE NEXT 15 TO 20 YEARS, AND
BY 2032 WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE 134 MILLION GALLONS A
DAY.
FOR THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, UNLIKE THE TREATMENT PLANT, ALL
OF THIS STUFF IS BURIED.
SO WE CAN'T SEE IT.
IT'S UNDER PRESSURE, SO WE CAN'T PUT A CAMERA DOWN THERE AND
LOOK AT IT.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS A RISK ANALYSIS.
WE DIVIDED UP THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM INTO 30,000-SOME-ODD
DIFFERENT SEGMENTS AND LOOKED AT WHAT THE PIPES WERE MADE
OF, WHAT SOIL THEY WERE IN, HOW OLD THEY WERE, AND WE USED
THAT INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PROBABILITY OF THE
FAILURE WAS.
AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE THE CONSEQUENCES OF
FAILURE.
AND THOSE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, WELL, IS IT IN FRONT OF A
HOSPITAL?
IS IT ON BROREIN AVENUE OR IS IT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE?
AND WE TOOK THE CONSEQUENCES AND COME UP WITH A RISK SCORE.
FOR EACH OF THOSE SEGMENTS OF PIPE, WE RATED AND ORGANIZED
THEM BY RISK TO DETERMINE WHEN THEY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED
AND WHAT CODE.
THIS SHOWS OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, JUST WHAT FACTS WE HAVE
OVER 10 OR 11 SQUARE MILES, SERVICE POPULATION OF 630,000.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL NOTICE IS OUR SERVICE AREA
EXTENDS BEYOND CITY BOUNDARIES AND DOES SERVE PART OF
UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
WE HAVE OVER 23 HUNDRED MILES OF PIPE.
ALMOST 50,000 VALVES.
14,000 HYDRANTS.
AND 98% OF THAT IS UNSEEN.
TO PUT MILES OF PIPELINE INTO PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD TAKE YOU
FROM HERE TO CALIFORNIA.
THIS SLIDE IS AN IMPORTANT SLIDE, MAYBE ANSWERING THE
QUESTION OF WHY ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASE IN MAIN BREAKS AND
WHY DO WE HAVE TO RAMP UP OUR PROGRAM?
WHAT THIS SLIDE SHOWS IS THE MILES OF PIPE THAT WERE PUT IN,
IN EACH DECADE.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE 1940s AND 1950s WE REALLY RAMPED UP
HOW MUCH PIPE WE WERE PUTTING IN THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL IF YOU LOOK ALONG THE WHOLE EASTERN
THAN SEABOARD AS A FAMILIAR STORY.
AND THE OTHER THING TO NOTICE IS FOR DECADES AFTER THE 40s
AND 50s, WE WERE STILL INSTALLING PIPE.
THE PIPE WE WERE INSTALLING IN THE 40s AND 50s WAS
MAINLY CAST IRON PIPE, HAS AN AGE OF 80 TO 100 YEARS, SO WE
ARE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS PIPE FAILING.
UNLIKE THE PIPE THAT WAS PUT IN BEFORE, THERE WASN'T THAT
MANY MILES OF PIPE.
SO WE HAVE TO RAMP UP OUR PROGRAM.
THERE'S A LOT MORE PIPE THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED
SOONER.
AND THEN THE OTHER STORY THAT THIS PICTURE TELLS IS IT'S NOT
GOING TO GO AWAY FOR A LONG TIME.
FOR EACH DECADE AFTER THAT, WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT PIPE AND
COMES THROUGH AS WELL.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS IF INCREASE IN MAIN BREAKS THAT WE HAVE HAD
OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
WE HAVE DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF BREAKS ON AVERAGE.
AND IT ALSO SHOWS EACH COLUMN AREA IS A MONTH.
AND IT SHOWS HOW MANY MAIN BREAKS WE HAVE BASED ON THE MONTH
OF THE YEAR.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN JANUARY, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE MOST
MAIN BREAKS, AND IT'S DUE TO THE COLD WEATHER COMBINED WITH
THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE STRESS FROM THE COLD
WEATHER.
YOU CAN SEE THE LAST JANUARY WE HAD 220 MAIN BREAKS, AND
IT'S QUITE A BIG SPIKE COMPARED TO PREVIOUS JANUARYS.
THE OTHER THING TO NOTICE IS THAT WE ARE AVERAGING ABOUT 100
MAIN BREAKS BEFORE JANUARY, AND ALTHOUGH WE HAD THREE
CONTRACTORS ON BOARD, WHEN WE HAVE A SPIKE IN MAIN BREAKS
LIKE THAT, WE ARE OVERWHELMED IN REPAIRING THEM, BUT WE ARE
ALSO OVERWHELMED IN RESTORING THAN THE STREETS AND THE
SIDEWALKS AFTER WE REPAIR THEM BECAUSE WE CANNOT FIND ENOUGH
CONTRACTORS TO HANDLE THAT WORKLOAD.
SO WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
DIFFERENT.
IT'S BECOME VERY EXPENSIVE TO BE TRY TO MANAGE A WORKLOAD
LIKE THIS.
THIS SHOWS SOME OF OUR LARGER APPROXIMATE THAT -- PROJECTS
THAT CAME OUT OF THE TWO MASTER PLANS.
ONE OF THE LARGEST AND MOST URGENT WAS THE PIPELINE
REPLACEMENT, HAVE TO BE REPLACE OVER 500 MAILS OF PIPELINE
AT A COST OF ROUGHLY $672 MILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE WATER SUPPLY OR REUSE PROJECT TO FOR
ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, DROUGHT PARAGRAPHING, MINIMUM FLOW FROM
THE LOWER HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
I MENTIONED THE HIGH SERVICE PUMP STATIONS EARLIER THAT IS
NOT A SMALL ITEM.
AND THEN ALSO THE DISINFECTION SYSTEM THAT HAVE BEEN WE USE
OZONE FOR THAT.
SYSTEM NEEDS TO HAVE THE GENERATORS REPLACED.
AND WHEN THE EXPANSION COMPONENT FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT IS
$224 MILLION.
1:50:18PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, QUESTION.
1:50:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN WE GO BACK FOR A SECOND?
JUST FOR MY COLLEAGUES SINCE I CAN'T TALK TO YOU OUTSIDE
THIS CHAMBER, NUMBER 2 HERE ORIGINALLY SAID TAP, AND I THINK
THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAVE LOTS OF
PUBLIC INPUT.
THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
AND SO THEY GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO REFRAME IT THIS WAY.
I THINK THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OVERALL PROJECTS AND THE
BUDGET AND ARE SEPARATE THAN A DISCUSSION ABOUT A PARTICULAR
PROJECT.
SO YOU WOULD THINK -- I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S ALSO BEEN
CHANGED.
1:51:00PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT.
WE DISCUSSED THAT BRIEFLY WHEN I WAS BEING BRIEFED AS WELL.
WHEN WE GET TO SONYA'S PRESENTATION ABOUT FUNDING AND
CHOICES, A, B AND C, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED
TO DISCUSS IN TERMS OF DO WE FUND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T
NECESSARILY AGREED ON?
VIS-A-VIS THE TAP.
SO WE'LL GET TO IT WHEN WE HAVE THAT BUDGET PART OF THE
DISCUSSION.
BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DECISION, ESPECIALLY AS
RELATED TO THOSE CHOICES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING
1:51:40PM >>LUIS VIERA:
SIR.
1:51:41PM >> SO THE LAST SLIDE THAT I HAVE FOR WATER SHOWS THE
BREAKDOWN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND THEN 20 YEARS OUT,
WHAT THE TOTAL COSTS ARE FOR ALL THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS OF
DIFFERENT MASTER PLANS.
SO WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ERIC WEISS TO TALK ABOUT
WASTEWATER.
1:51:59PM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT.
THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT HAS $5 BILLION WORTH OF
INFRASTRUCTURE, SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBANT UPON THE CITY HOW
WE ARE GOING TO DO FUTURE DECISIONS AND MANAGE THAT.
WE DO HAVE THE MASTER PLANS.
WE HAVE DONE TWO MASTER PLANS.
ONE FOR OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THE HOWARD F
CURREN ADVANCE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED DOWN AT
PORT TAMPA BAY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH IS THE COLLECTION
SYSTEM, THE PUMPS, THE PIPES THAT COLLECT WASTEWATER FROM
OUR HOMES, BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, AND TAKE IT TO THE PLANT.
THE FIRST ONE, TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE HOWARD F. CURREN
ADVANCE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND OVERALL MASTER PLANT
PLAN HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE THE LATE 1980s, AND THAT WAS
TO INCREASE THE PATCHING OF THE TREATMENT PLAN FROM 60
MILLION GALLONS A DAY TO 96 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
SO THEY DO THIS MASTER PLAN NOW, HIRE AN INDEPENDENT
ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
WE WANT THEM TO HAVE LOOK AT TWO MAIN THINGS.
ONE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE CONDITION OF THIS
TREATMENT PLANT NOW?
I CALL THAT THE AS-IS CONDITION. THEY LOOK AT THOUSANDS OF
RECORDS, OF OUR MAINTENANCE RECORDS, TEST IT, AND LOOKED AT
THICKNESS OF CONCRETE WALLS ON TANKS, LOOKED AT PUMPS AND
PIPES TO BE GET AS AN-IS BE CONDITION SO THEY CAN THEN DO A
PHASE 2 WHICH IS WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE?
THEY FINISH THAT PHASE, AND WHAT DID THEY RECOMMEND?
THE FIRST THING WAS NO MAJOR CAPACITY ISSUES.
I TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE CAPACITY FROM 06 MILLION A
GALLONS IN 'TO 96.
LAST YEAR WE ONLY SAW 57 MILLION.
THERE'S A LOT OF CAPACITY THERE.
AND THE REASON IS THE WATER PER PERSON PER DAY HAS COME WAY
DOWN OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS BECAUSE OF LOW-FLOW TOILETS,
SHOWER HEADS, EFFICIENT DISHWASHERS, SO THAT CREATED A
DISCAPACITY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO HANDLE IN THE NEXT 20
YEARS.
THE OTHER THING IS, NO REAL CHANGES TO OUR TREATMENT
PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE FIRST MADE AN ADVANCED WASTEWATER
TREATMENT PLANT IT WAS CUTTING EDGE OF THE DAY.
ENGINEERING CAME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO SEE HOW WE
WERE DOING IT.
AND THE GOOD THING IS THE IT WORKED SO GOOD AND VERY EASY TO
OPERATE THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVE TECHNOLOGIES
THAT WE LOOKED AT, A, THEY ARE DOING IN THE GERMANY OR
SOMEWHERE ELSE, OUR BUSINESS CASES SHOW THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY
FOR ITSELF.
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PUMPS AND PIPES, TANKS, GET AFFECTED BY GAS AT A TREATMENT
PLANT. IT'S A HIGHLY CORROSIVE ATMOSPHERE AND EATS AWAY ALL
THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PRETTY QUICKLY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
AND IT'S SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE.
AND THE IMPORTANT PART OF THIS SLIDE IS THAT IT'S FRONT
LOADING.
ALMOST HALF OF THE FUND WE NEED OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD ARE
GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO REPLACE THIS
AGING INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PLANT.
OKAY.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER MASTER PLAN, OUR COLLECTION
SYSTEM.
60% -- LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR GRAVITY PIPELINES WHICH IS
156,700 MILES OF PIPE.
60% IS OVER 50 YEARS OLD.
20% OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE RIGHT IS THE NUMBER OF CAVE-INS AND
HOW MUCH THEY HAVE GONE UP OVER THE LAST SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.
AND WHEN YOU DO HAVE BEEN A REPAIR, THAT'S JUST A POINT
REPAIR.
A DIAPER, A BAND-AID.
MOST OF OUR PIPE WAS PUT IN BY CONTRACT IN THE 40s OR
50s FOR A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN YOU HAVE A FAILURE ON ONE STREET YOU PRETTY MUCH WOULD
EXPECT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT AGAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THAT'S NOT MONEY TO FIX THE WHOLE THING.
THAT'S JUST TO FIX THAT ONE HOLE, OKAY?
WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT THAT WE CAN
ACTUALLY ASSESS THIS 1,500 MILES OF GRAVITY PIPE.
WE HAVE A FLEET OF SEVEN TV TRUCKS.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM SET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OVER
A MANHOLE.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY CAN INSERT A CAMERA DOWN IN THE
PIPELINE WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE THERE, AND THEY CAN
ASSESS THE CONDITION OF THAT.
HEY, IS THE PIPE LANE CRACKED?
IS THERE A ROOT IN IT?
IS IT OFFSET?
AND OUR GUYS THAT DO THIS ARE CERTIFIED, THROUGH A NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION.
SO IF YOU ARE IN NEW YORK OR CALIFORNIA, THEY ARE GOING TO
GRADE THAT PIPELINE EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO THE RESULTS OF DOING THAT IS ON THE NEXT PAGE.
THE VERY WORST PAPER IS SHOWN IN RED, AND THE PIPE THAT'S
GETTING THERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE I THINK IS GOING TO BE
IN YELLOW. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS, UNLIKE THE
TREATMENT PLANT, YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE COSTS ARE AFTER THE
FIRST FIVE YEARS, FIX THE RED STUFF, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST US
FIXING THE MAIN LINE PIPE THAT YOU SEE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF
THE STREET.
ALL THE HOMES AND BUSINESSES HAVE THEIR OWN PIPE THAT
CONNECTS INTO THAT.
WE AREN'T EVEN GOING TO ADDRESS THAT UNTIL YEAR 11 OR 20.
OKAY.
THE OTHER PART OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM, WASTEWATER PUMPING
STATIONS.
THIS IS A LITTLE EASY FOE DO.
225 PUMPING STATIONS THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE SERVICE AREA.
WE KNOW THAT THEY LAST 20 YEARS.
THAT'S HOW LONG THE PUMP AND CONTROLS LAST, AND THE
CONCRETE, BECAUSE THE SULFIDE GAS KEEPS EATING AWAY.
SO WE CAN EASILY DO A SCHEDULE, WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS,
AND WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU DID IT, TO PREPARE A SCHEDULE
OF WHEN WE NEED TO REHABILITATE EACH ONE OF THOSE 225
PUMPING STATIONS.
SO THAT'S THE ESTIMATED COST.
AND THE LAST PIECE OF THE COLLECTION SYSTEM IN THE
WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT ARE FORCE MAINS.
ONLY 300 MILES OF THESE.
WASTEWATER PIPE UNDER PRESSURE.
AN INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S A LOT MORE RISK
IF THERE'S A FAILURE.
IF YOU HAVE A GRAVITY PIPE AND IT CAVES IN OR BLOCKS UP, WE
CAN RELATIVELY QUICKLY BRING OUT PORTABLE PUMPS AND JUST
BYPASS THAT ONE SECTION.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH A FORCE MAIN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP COMING.
AND IT CAN TAKE DAYS OR MAYBE WEEKS.
IF THERE'S A BIG FORCE MAIN BREAK TO GET THAT UNDER CONTROL.
SOME EXAMPLES, DAVIS ISLAND FORCE MAIN, IT WAS ACTUALLY A
FISCAL 19 PROJECT.
LAST SUMMER, IT BROKE, HAD A CRACK IN IT.
SO WE WERE -- LUCKILY THEY WERE ABLE TO REPAIR THAT IN A
LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A DAY, BUT WE HAD TO MOVE UP THAT WORK
AND BID IT OUT -- NOT BID IT OUT AND DO AN EMERGENCY
AFFIDAVIT AND IMMEDIATELY HIRE A CONTRACTOR TO GET WORKING
ON IT THE VERY NEXT DAY WHICH DOUBLES THE COST.
YUKON AT 12TH STREET, BIG AREA, FORCE MAIN THAT TAKES ALL
THE WASTEWATER FROM USF AND NORTH TAMPA COMES RIGHT THROUGH
THAT SPOT.
WE HAVE A PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, WHERE WE MEASURE
THE THICKNESS OF THE METAL FORCE MAIN, AND WE MONITOR IT
OVER TIME EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND HAD IT BEEN GOOD UP UNTIL THIS LAST YEAR.
WE MEASURED IT AND IT WAS PAPER THIN.
SO AGAIN WE HAD TO DO AN EMERGENCY CONTRACT TO GO AND DO
THAT WORK.
THAT'S THE FORCE MAIN.
AND FINALLY THAT'S A RECAP OF ALL THOSE AREAS THAT I TALKED
ABOUT FOR OVER THE FIVE YEARS AND CUMULATIVE IN THE 20 YEAR
PROGRAM.
1:59:44PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
REVENUE AND FINANCE.
YOU HEARD ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE
CONSTRUCTION AND NEEDS OVER THE 20-YOU'RE PERIOD.
NOW HOW DO WE FIND IT?
TO BEGIN WITH, IF I CAN JUST REMIND YOU, IN OUR INDIVIDUAL
BRIEFING, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE MODELING THAT WENT ON FROM A
FUNDING PERSPECTIVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MASTER PLAN
DEVELOPMENT, THE ENGINEERS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
MASTER PLAN BUILT OUT AN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DROP SCHEDULE
FOR US FOR 20 YEARS, COUPLED WITH THAT, WE ENGAGED AN
INDEPENDENT RATE CONSULTANT WHO SPECIALIZES IN DEVELOPING
RATE STRUCTURES ON BEHALF OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR UTILITY
SYSTEMS, AND WE ALSO RAN MODELING SCENARIOS INTERNALLY.
THERE WERE NUMEROUS SCENARIOS THAT WOULD GENERATE BETWEEN
THE CITY'S IN-HOUSE STAFF AND THE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANTS,
AND WE CAME UP WITH THREE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST WALK
YOU THROUGH TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WENT
INTO DETERMINING THE FUNDING STRATEGY.
THE RATE STUDY FOCUSES ON THREE MAJOR COMPONENTS COMPRISED
OF THE CONSUMPTION RATE, A BASE CHARGE AND ALSO
MISCELLANEOUS FEES AND CHARGES.
AS YOU ARE AWARE THE CITY'S CURRENT UTILITY BILL STRUCTURE
IS ONLY A CONSUMPTION RATE STRUCTURE, SO THAT THE CUSTOMER
IS BILLED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER -- OF UTILITIES THAT
ARE ACTUALLY USED.
AND IT'S ON A TIERED SYSTEM.
SO THE LOWEST CONSUMPTION HAS A LOWER RATE AND AS
CONSUMPTION INCREASES SO DOES THE RATE CHARGE FOR THE
CONSUMPTION.
OUR UTILITY SYSTEM IS ONE OF THE LAST ONES IN THE STATE OF
FLORIDA THAT DOES NOT HAVE BEEN A BASE CHARGE.
AND THE REASON THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY OUR CONSULTANT AND
STAFF ALSO AGREES WITH IS THAT THE BASE CHARGE PROTECTS THE
SYSTEM SO THAT NO MATTER HOW THE CONSUMPTION RATE GOES UP OR
DOWN, WE CAN ALWAYS COVER THE FIXED COST.
WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE UTILITY COSTS.
WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE CHEMICAL COSTS.
AND WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAY THE PEOPLE WHO RUN
THE SYSTEM.
SO IT WILL HAVE PERSONAL COSTS AS WELL.
IN EACH OF THE SCENARIOS THAT WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU, YOU
WILL SEE THAT EACH ONE OF THEM WILL INCLUDE A BASE CHARGE.
SO I'LL SUMMARIZE OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF
SLIDES THE SCENARIOS, AND THE ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDED IN EACH
OF THOSE SCENARIOS, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN TO THE CONSUMER, TO THE RATE PAYER?
TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHY A BASE CHARGE BE
CONSIDERED FOR THE PROPOSED RATE STRUCTURE, IN 2009 THE CITY
EXPERIENCED THE PERFECT STORM.
WE WERE IN THE THROES OF A GREAT RECESSION IN 2009 AND ALSO
WE WERE EXPERIENCING A DROUGHT.
AND AS A RESULT OF THE DROUGHT, WATER RESTRICTIONS HAD TO BE
IMPOSED.
AND AS I HEAR MY COLLEAGUE BRAD BAIRD SAY ALL THE TIME, IT
WORKED, BECAUSE AS PEOPLE STOPPED USING WATER, OUR
CONSUMPTION WENT DOWN 25 MILLION GALLONS IN JUST ONE DAY.
AND IT DID WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
BUT WHAT IT DID TO THE SYSTEM IS, AS A RESULT OF THOSE
WATERING RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT ON BY THE DROUGHT,
WE LOST $25 MILLION IN REVENUES.
IN ADDITION TO LOSING THE $25 IN REVENUES AS A RESULT OF
PEOPLE FOLLOWING THE CONSERVATION RULES THAT WERE SET OUT,
WE ALSO HAD TO PAY TAMPA BAY WATER TO PURCHASE WATER BECAUSE
OF THE DROUGHT.
SO THAT'S A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE PERFECT STORM AND HOW A BASE
RATE WILL PROTECT THE SYSTEM NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE GOING
THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S DROUGHT, RECESSION, OR ANY OTHER
ISSUES THAT WILL IMPACT OUR REVENUE COLLECTIONS.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A CHART THAT YOU SAW EARLY ON
WHEN MR. BAIRD WAS DISCUSSING WITH YOU THE MASTER PLAN.
I BELIEVE IT WAS SLIDE 6.
SO WE ADDED A BIT OF INFORMATION.
BUT WHAT REMAINS THE SAME IS THE ORANGE PORTION.
THAT CAPTURES YEAR OFFER YEAR UNDER THE 20-YEAR MASTER PLAN
THE COST OF THE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE FUNDED.
THE PURPLE SLIVER GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT IS OUR
EXISTING DEBT SERVICE, AND THEN THE GREEN PORTION IS OUR
OPERATING EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH THE WATER AND
WASTEWATER SYSTEMS.
SO OVER THE 20-YEAR PERIOD, THIS I'M CALLING THIS TABLE OUR
ALL-IN, DO-NOTHING SCENARIO, BECAUSE THE LINE GOING STRAIGHT
THROUGH THE MIDDLE ARE THE REVENUES COLLECTED BY THE SYSTEMS
FOR PURPOSES OF COVERING OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, DEBT
SERVICE, AND ALSO FUNDING THE CAPITAL PLAN.
AS YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IN THIS ALL-IN DO-NOTHING SCENARIO,
IN THE YEAR 2024-25, WE START TO RUN INTO TROUBLE.
THAT WE WILL BARELY BE ABLE TO COVER OUR ONN AND CERTAINLY
BARELY BE ABLE TO COVER OUR DEBT SERVICE, BUT MORE
CRITICALLY, AS YOU HAVE HEARD, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE
NEEDS TO REPAIR OUR CRUMBLING SYSTEM.
SO THE SCENARIOS THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU, THERE ARE
THREE.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY, AND THEN I WILL GIVE YOU THE
BACKUP INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE
SCENARIOS.
SCENARIO A, WE JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW MUCH WE COULD FUND IN
THE WAY OF THE MASTER PLAN IF WE DID A THAN VERY
CONSERVATIVE 3% INCREASE TO OUR EXISTING CONSUMPTION RATE.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER 100% OF OUR OPERATIONS AND
MAINTENANCE, AND ALSO WHAT IT WOULD SHAKE OUT TO BE IF WE
COVERED 100% FROM A WATER SUPPLY OR REUSE PROJECT.
SCENARIO B ON THE OTHER HAND THAN BUMPED INTO WHAT RATES
WOULD IT TAKE IN ORDER TO COVER 100% OF EVERYTHING, AND THAT
INCLUDES 100% OF THE CAPITAL PLAN, AND THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN SCENARIOS B AND C IS THAT IT EXCLUDES CONSTRUCTION
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER SUPPLY AND REUSE PROJECTS.
AND WE'LL GET IN WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT FARTHER, AS AND ASK
MY COLLEAGUE MR. WEBER TO ASSIST WITH GIVING THE BACKGROUND
INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
SO THE COST OF CAPITAL, JUST TO RECAP, YOU HEARD FROM BOTH
OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER DIRECTORS, AND CURRENT-YEAR
DOLLARS, IS $1.5 MILLION.
FOR WASTEWATER, 1.1 FOR A TOTAL OF 2.6 BILLION.
BUT OF COURSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 20-YEAR PLAN.
SO IF WE INFLATE THOSE COSTS AND ADD AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR
WE ARE IN ESSENCE ADDING $542 MILLION TO THOSE COSTS ALONE,
WHICH MUCH WE ARE TALKING IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE FUND THIS
PLAN, WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AT ALMOST $2
BILLION MASTER PLAN OVER A 20-YEAR PERIOD.
MUCH THE ASSUMPTIONS TO GET US THERE, UNDER SCENARIO A, JUST
A REMINDER, ALL OF THESE SCENARIOS WILL ASSUME A BASE
CHARGE, THE SAME BASE CHARGE, WHICH IN FISCAL YEAR 2020
WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF $4 PER MONTH ON THE EQUIVALENT
RESIDENTIAL UNIT ERU WHICH IS FOR AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD THAT
USES ABOUT 300 GALLONS A DAY, SO THIS WILL APPLY TO ALL OF
OUR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ONE SINGLE UNIT.
AND THEREAFTER IN THE YEARS 21 THROUGH 34, A ADDITIONAL $2
PER MONTH, INCREASE TO COVER THE BASE CHARGES.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE A BASELINE IN
THIS SCENARIO TO SEE WHAT WE COULD FIND IF WE JUST DID AN
ACROSS-THE-BOARD 3% INCREASE IN THE CONSUMPTION RATE, AND
WHAT THAT DOES IS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER OUR OPERATING
EXPENSES AT 100%.
HOWEVER, UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND
100% OF THE 3.2 BILLION DOLLARS IN OUR MASTER PLAN.
IT WOULD LEAVE ABOUT $700 MILLION UNFUNDED IN THIS SCENARIO.
SO THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THIS WE SUMMARIZE UNDER
THIS SCENARIO HOW MUCH WOULD BE BROKEN UP BETWEEN CASH AND
DEBT.
SO PART OF THE MODELING STRATEGY IS THAT WE TAKE A VERY
CONSERVATIVE APPROACH WHEN IT COMES TO ESTIMATING HOW MUCH
DEBT WE WILL HAVE TO ISSUE, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE HAVE
NOT MADE ANY ASSUMPTIONS ON ANY GRANTS THAT WILL BE
RECEIVED.
SO OVER THE 20-YEAR FUNDING PLAN, WE WILL AGGRESSIVELY
PURSUE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS THAT
WILL BUY DOWN OR DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE WILL
ISSUE UNDER ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS TO FUND THE $3.2 BILLION
CAPITAL PLAN.
SCENARIO B, THE SAME, BASE CHARGE.
BUT IN THIS SCENARIO, WE ARE ASSUMING THAT WE ARE FUNDING
100% OF EVERYTHING.
THAT'S 100% OF THE CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE 20 YEARS,
1.2 BILLION, AND IN THIS CASE INSTEAD OF THE 3% INCREASE IN
THE CONSUMPTION RATE FOR THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM, WE WOULD
HAVE 3% ANNUAL INCREASE IN THE CONSUMPTION RATE IN YEARS 20
AND 21, AND THEN 15% ANNUAL INCREASE THEREAFTER, AND AFTER
THIS I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THIS MEANS TO THE MONTHLY UTILITY
BILL BY SCENARIO.
BUT IN THIS CASE, AS I MENTIONED, 100% OF EVERYTHING IN THE
MASTER PLAN, AND THERE AGAIN IT GETS YOU TO THE BREAKDOWN
BETWEEN CASH AND DEBT.
OUR GOAL WILL ALWAYS BE TO AVOID ISSUING DEBT AND PAYING AS
MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN WITH CASH, AND AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING
GRANT FUNDING.
FINALLY, SCENARIO C, AGAIN THE SAME BASE CHARGE, CONSUMPTION
IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS, 20 AND 21st SAME AS SCENARIO B.
HOWEVER, IT DROPS FROM 15% TO 10% IN THE YEARS 22 THROUGH
25.
AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, IT FUNDS EVERYTHING EXCEPT DOES NOT
PROVIDE ANY FUNDING FOR WATER SUPPLY AND REUSE PROJECTS.
AND WE WILL GIVE YOU MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT.
IF I CAN FIRST WALK YOU THROUGH UNDER THE THREE SCENARIOS, I
GUESS STAFF IS UP TO OUR PEERS.
THIS SURVEY WAS DONE BY OUR INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT.
AND THE LINES GOING HORIZONTALLY ACROSS PROVIDES AVERAGE
MONTHLY UTILITY BILL FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS USING
APPROXIMATELY 6,000 GALLONS PER MONTH.
AND YOU SEE THERE THAT THE AVERAGE AMONG OUR PEERS FOR THE
MONTHLY UTILITY BILL IS $80.57 COMPARED TO THE CITY OF
TAMPA'S AVERAGE OF $41.29.
OUR EXISTING RATES.
BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT A LITTLE FURTHER AND COMPARE THAT
TO ANY ONE OF THE THREE SCENARIOS THAT I JUST SPOKE TO YOU
ABOUT, WE STILL FALL FAR BELOW THE AVERAGE OF OUR PEERS AT
APPROXIMATELY $46.50 PER MONTH.
SO THIS TABLE IS BASICALLY A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BUT IF OF WE TAKE THAT A STEP FARTHER, AND WE PROJECT OUT,
WITH ONE CAVEAT.
THE HORIZONTAL LINE GOING ACROSS THE TOP OF THE LINE GOING
ACROSS THE TOP AGAIN REPRESENTS THE AVERAGE MONTHLY UTILITY
BILL OF OUR PEERS AT $80.50 PER MONTH.
WE ASSUME THAT THAT STAYS FLAT.
THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS VERY UNLIKELY.
SO THE LINES BELOW IT, IT CAPTURES THE AVERAGE MONTHLY BILL
YEAR OVER YEAR BECAUSE IT'S OUR INTENT TO PHASE IN THE RATE
INCREASE TO LESSEN THE BURDEN OR THE BLOW TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO TV LOWER LINE, SCENARIO A, WHICH DOES NOT FUND THE ENTIRE
MASTER PLAN, IT LEFT ABOUT $700 MILLION UNFUNDED, YOU SEE
THE DIFFERENCE, STILL OUT JURISDICTION YEARS WE ARE FAR
BELOW, AND EVEN AT THE ALL-IN SCENARIO WHERE WE ARE FUNDING
100% OF EVERYTHING, AND IF WE ASSUME THAT OUR PEERS DO
NOTHING, THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD STILL BE IN THE NEXT SIX
YEARS FAR BELOW, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT UNREASONABLE TO
ASSUME THAT OUR PEERS DO NOTHING.
BUT JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE OF HOW THE SERVICES WE
PROVIDE AND WHAT WE CHARGE TO OUR CUSTOMERS, COMPARED TO OUR
PEERS.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT -- AND THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
WE ACTUALLY DON THIS WITH OUR STORMWATER PROGRAM WHEREIN WE
PROVIDE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE.
WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING HOW WE REACH
THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST.
AND SO WE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON
THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
TODAY WE WILL ASK FOR COUNCIL'S AUTHORIZATION TO ALLOW STAFF
TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROVIDING PUBLIC NOTICE, AND I KNOW YOU
WILL HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT AS YOU ARE THINKING
THIS THROUGH, THE INTENT IS TODAY THAT WE WILL PROPOSE THE
SCENARIO B, AND MR. WEBER WILL COME BACK UP AND PROVIDE YOU
WITH THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED.
BUT ALONG THOSE LINES, AFTER WE TELL YOU WHY WE ARE
PROPOSING SCENARIO B, WHICH INCLUDES THE WATER SUPPLY
COMPONENT, WE WILL ASK THAT WE GET THE AUTHORIZATION THAT BE
WE NOTICE OUR UTILITY BILL CUSTOMERS STARTING AS SOON AS
NEXT WEEK OF THE INTENT TO INCREASE RATES, AND ALSO NOTICE
THAT A PUBLIC MEETING WILL BE SCHEDULED IN AUGUST 22ND.
SO WE ARE READY TO ISSUE NOTICE IN THE UTILITY BILLS,
SOMETHING THAT CUSTOMERS WILL BE FULLY AWARE OF, BRIGHT
COLORED PAPER, NOT JUST A LINE ITEM ON THE BILL, AND THEN
RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVE AUTHORIZATIONS TO MOVE
FORWARD FOR FUNDING THIS PLAN WITH RATES BECOMING EFFECTIVE
OCTOBER 1st.
SO, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY TURN THIS OVER.
2:15:37PM >>LUIS VIERA:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK, HAD A QUICK
QUESTION.
2:15:41PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
THE DATE WILL BE SEPTEMBER 5th.
WE DID NOT CHANGE IT ON HERE.
IT WOULD NOT REFLECT AUGUST 22ND.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL REQUEST IT BE SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:15:53PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
2:15:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SONYA, AS LONG AS YOU ARE THERE, WE HAVE
ALL BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW.
I THINK WE KNOW THE NEED HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
WE HAVE KIND OF BEEN KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.
IT'S TIME THAT WE ADDRESS IT.
THE ECONOMY IS DOING BETTER.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT ON SOME FOLKS.
AND WE'LL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND I THINK YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE IN TERMS OF
IF FOLKS TRULY HAVE A HARDSHIP, THE CITY WILL HAVE SOME SORT
OF RELIEF PLAN IN PLACE.
ON THE BIGGER PICTURE IN REGARD TO B VERSUS C -- AND I AM
TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF FUNDING EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE
FUNDED.
AND I USE THAT, EMPHASIZE "HAS" TO BE FUNDED.
THAT'S I'M NOT REALLY CONVINCED THAT B IS THE WAY TO GO AS
OPPOSED TO C.
SO I JUST WANT TO TOSS THIS OUT THERE.
IF FOR ARGUMENT SAKE -- MR. BAIRD, YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME
JOIN THIS DISCUSSION -- IF FOR ARGUMENT SAKE THE CITY
STOPPED TODAY -- OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT REALITY, BUT FOR
PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION, WE HAVE TAPPED THIS CITY OUT,
PUT UP SIGNS, SAY DO NOT ENTER, OKAY?
THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE NEED TO KEEP THIS CITY
RUNNING, WASTEWATER AND WASTEWATER FOR THE NEXT X NUMBER OF
YEARS?
I WOULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION THAT AS SAYING C, OKAY.
OPTION C.
BUT LOOKS LIKE I AM GOING TO GET REBUTTAL SO THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S WHY I THREW IT OUT THERE.
I WILL JUST CONTINUE THAT.
IF MY ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY NEW --
NECESSARILY ANY NEW WATER AND/OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT
CAPACITY WITHOUT THE GROWTH -- WELL, LET ME JUMP OVER TO A
DIFFERENT PART OF THE SAME DISCUSSION.
WE ALL TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD PAY
FOR ITSELF SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, OKAY.
AND WE TALK ABOUT BE THE USE OF IMPACT FEES TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE MANY OF OUR CONSTITUENTS WHO COMPLAIN TO US
REGULARLY, INCLUDING MY FIRM BUSTER WHO TOLD ME THIS WEEK,
WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP PAYING FOR THESE NEWCOMERS WHO ARE
COMING INTO OUR CITY?
I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
I DO BELIEVE IN THE GENERAL CONCEPT THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION
SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF.
SO ALONG THOSE LINES OF THOSE TWO TRAINS OF THOUGHT, THAT'S
WHY I AM NOT THAT KEEN ON "B," BECAUSE I AM NOT CONVINCED
THAT THE EXISTING RATE PAYERS SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT NEW
WATER CAPACITY AND ANY ASSOCIATED -- WELL, I THINK
WASTEWATER SAID THEY ARE NOT BIDDING ANY ADDITIONAL
CAPACITY.
SO WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF NEW WATER
CAPACITY.
AND WHY SHOULD THE EXISTING RATE PAYERS BE PAYING FOR NEW
WATER CAPACITY?
REGARDLESS OF WHAT FORM IT TAKES, MR. CARLSON, ACROSS THE
BOARD, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TAP OR SOME OTHER REUSE, STAR,
WHAT HAVE YOU.
YES, MA'AM?
AND I GUESS I AM WAITING FOR THE REBUTTAL.
2:19:34PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
I AM GOING TO ASK MR. WEBER TO COME FORWARD
AND TALK MORE ABOUT THAT CAPACITY, AND THEN WE WILL JUMP
BACK AND FORTH.
2:19:47PM >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY BEFOREHAND, I PROBABLY HAVE TO
LEAVE, LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW, IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
134 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN B AND C?
2:20:02PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
350 MILLION.
2:20:05PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION.
2:20:07PM >> NO, IT'S NOT.
2:20:09PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I DIDN'T MEAN THAT TO YOU.
2:20:11PM >> I WANT TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT FEES FIRST BECAUSE THAT IS
SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT.
WE DO ASSESS SOME FEES FOR GROWTH RIGHT NOW, AND CFBs, WE
HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITIES WHEREOF WE CHARGE
FEES, OF CONSTRUCTION.
BUT WE HAVE TO ENGAGE THE SAME CONSULTANTS --
2:20:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S DISTRIBUTION.
2:20:38PM >> TRANSMISSION.
BUT WE HAVE ENGAGED A CONSULTANT WHO IS LOOKING AT
DISTRIBUTION, TRANSMISSION, AND PLANT COSTS, AND THEY ARE
EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT AN IMPACT FEE MAKES SENSE FOR US.
WE ARE PROBABLY HALFWAY UP THERE THAT PROCESS.
SO IF WE COME BACK AND LOOK AT EXACT FEES AND SAY, YES, THAT
MAKES SENSE FOR US, DOWN THE ROAD, THAT CAN OFFSET.
THE IMPACT FEES WILL NOT OFFSET THE MAGNITUDE OF THE ISSUE
WE HAD HERE, BECAUSE GROWTH IS A VERY SMALL COMPONENT.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS GROWTH OPTION.
2:21:24PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU SAID GROWTH IS A SMALL COMPONENT.
HOW CAN GROWTH BE A SMALL COMPONENT OF THIS ADDITIONAL --
THIS ADDITIONAL WATER NEED?
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ALL PAYING FOR WITH $300 MILLION, ISN'T
IT?
2:21:38PM >> OUT OF 1.6 BILLION, THE GROWTH COMPONENT OF THAT IS
ROUGHLY LIKE 3%, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
SO IT'S ROUGHLY THAT $350 MILLION OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE,
BECAUSE REALLY, ACTUALLY, I THINK WE HAVE THE SLIDE THAT
SHOWS -- COULD WE BRING UP THE PRESENTATION AGAIN, PLEASE?
2:22:02PM >>LUIS VIERA:
CAN THE PRESENTATION BE PULLED UP AGAIN THAN?
2:22:18PM >> 224 MILLION IS REALLY THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR
AS FAR AS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE TREATMENT PLANT.
THAT'S WHERE THE CAPACITY IS.
OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND TRANSMISSION SYSTEM AT THIS
POINT IN TIME IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH.
2:22:37PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT I'M FOCUSED ON THE SECOND LINE.
WHAT SUPPLY/REUSE PROJECTS, $350 MILLION.
I CAN'T HELP BUT ASSUME THAT THAN TRANSLATES TO THE
ADDITIONAL 50,000 PEOPLE OR 100,000 PEOPLE THAT GOING TO BE
HERE AT THE END OF THAT.
2:22:54PM >> WELL, I WANT TO JUST ADDRESS THE IMPACT FEES FIRST.
BUT TO ADDRESS THE SECOND BULLET, AND THE WATER SUPPLY AND
REUSE, WHAT OPTION C DOES NOT FUND IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
DO WHEN WE GET ABOVE THE END OF AN AVERAGE DAY, OR THE
ISSUES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE HAVE A DROUGHT.
WHENEVER ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR SUPPLYING OUR FUTURE FOR OUR
WATER NEEDS IS JUST TO BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
THE PROBLEM WITH OPTION C IS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE COST OF
THAT.
THERE'S A PASS-THROUGH CHARGE THAT HAPPENS EVERY TIME WE
HAVE A DROUGHT.
NORMALLY NO ONE OF SEES IT BUT IT'S SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S A ROAD THAT WE ALL PAY AS MEMBER GOVERNMENTS WHENEVER
WE BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
WELL, WHEN YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THE WATER QUALITY FUND WHEN
WE BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, WE WILL NEED TO FURTHER
TREAT THAT WATER, OR ENGAGE TAMPA BAY WATER TO FURTHER TREAT
THAT WATER, SO THAT IT MEETS THE SAME REGULATIONS AND WE END
UP WITH THE SAME WATER QUALITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE REST OF
THE SYSTEM.
2:24:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME CORE
QUESTION.
OVER THESE PAST 15 YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN AROUND IN THIS OR
SIMILAR CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SORT OF AT A CERTAIN
LEVEL.
WE HAD SOME BAD TIME BACK IN 2009, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE
STAY UNDER THAT -- WE STAY WITHIN THAT 80 TO 90 MILLION.
GENERALLY SPEAKING WHAT I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF.
BUT THE THING THAT WILL PUSH US UP HIGHER THAN THAT IS THE
GROWTH.
IT'S THE GROWTH OF THE CITY.
SO I GUESS GOING BACK TO THE CORE QUESTION OF TRYING TO
RESTATE IT FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES IS, IF THAT'S THE CASE, AND
YES, I REALIZE IT'S A REALITY, IT IS A REALITY WE ARE GOING
TO BE ABOVE THAT.
BUT MY POINT IS, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR THOSE NEW FOLKS
TO BE PAYING FOR THAT DELTA THAT IS GOING TO TAKE US THERE
UP ABOVE THERE.
2:25:06PM >> THE SECOND BULLET IS NOT MEANT TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION BULLET IS MEANT TO ADDRESS WATER QUALITY
USE RIGHT NOW WHEN WE HAVE TO BUY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY
WATER.
THE OPTION C DOES NOT PRESENT THE COST FOR BUYING WATER FROM
TAMPA BAY WATER, WHICH WE DO RATE NOW.
AND WE HAVEN'T FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BUT WE DID THE
YEAR BEFORE THAT.
DURING THAT YEAR, WE BOUGHT 20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR A
FEW WEEKS AND THEN WE BOUGHT 40 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FOR A
FEW WEEKS ALMOST A MONTH.
THAT AVERAGES TO 6 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
THAT WATER WAS ONLY TESTED ONCE.
2:25:50PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION?
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN ALL SAY ABOUT THIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, AT LEAST STAFF AND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD,
AT LEAST TAMPA BAY WATER DISAGREE WITH THE TERM POOR WATER
QUALITY, AND THERE'S A WHOLE COVERINGS, TECHNICAL
CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN GET INTO ABOUT THAT.
BUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO TAP AND THE GROWTH ISSUES AND
ALL THAT.
MY SUGGESTION, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE SEND THIS TO PUBLIC
COMMENT, AND THEN SEPARATELY MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION OR
WORKSHOP ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH BE THE 50 NGDB REUSE AND HOW
TO DEAL WITH THE SUPPLY NEEDS IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT TAP
VERSUS THE ALTERNATIVES AT SOME FUTURE TIME BUT IT'S A
SEPARATE CONVERSATION, I THINK.
2:26:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MY ONLY CONCERN, BILL, IS THAT THEY ARE
ASKING US TO AUTHORIZE AT LEAST A HINT TO THE COMMUNITY OF
"C," OPTION "C."
OKAY.
NOT A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL, BUT AT LEAST THAT'S YOUR
RECOMMENDATION IS ITEM "C," RIGHT?
2:27:06PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
B.
2:27:08PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ARE WE AUTHORIZING IT OR ARE YOU GOING TO
RECOMMEND --
2:27:13PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THEY ARE RECOMMENDING B AND THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR A VOTE FROM US TO ALLOW B TO PROCEED.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.
I'M OKAY WITH C, WHICH IS SORT OF A MODIFIED VERSION OF B.
I'M OKAY WITH C.
BUT I AM NOT THRILLED WITH B.
AND I AGREE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TODAY TO GET TO ALL
THIS.
AND I AM WILLING TO SORT OF STAND DOWN.
BUT I AM NOT WILLING TO VOTE FOR B.
I AM WILLING TO VOTE FOR C, JUST TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE
COMMUNITY ON NOTICE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS THE DOES WE WILL
HAVE, AND OVER THE NEXT MONTH MAYBE WE CAN GET INTO IT
DEEPER.
2:27:49PM >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, TO THAT POINT, B, C.
B IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR ALL OF OUR
NEEDS.
C DOES NOT.
IF WE DO NOT -- IF WE JUST GO WITH C, WE WILL BE COME BACK
IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS ASKING FOR ANOTHER CHANGE.
THAT'S WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION B.
2:28:14PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT THE SUMS YOU JUST MADE IS THERE'S NO
OTHER ALTERNATIVE THAN OUR RATE PAYER.
OKAY?
I MEAN, OUR RATE PAYER THAT'S HERE TODAY.
AND WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE NEW RATE PAYERS MIGHT MAKE UP
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN B AND C.
2:28:31PM >>CHAIRMAN:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:28:34PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHEN I HAD MY DISCUSSION I MADE IT CLEAR
WHEN YOU ADDRESS COUNCIL YOU NEED TO COME WITH EVERYTHING.
YOU ARE NEED TO PUT IT ALL ON THE TABLE.
AND NOW YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET.
YOU GOT QUESTIONS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE TABLE.
IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
I LOOKED AT -- I THOUGHT I WASTED MY TIME, SOME THINGS THAT
I TOLD YOU ABOUT ACRONYMS AND PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT'S WHAT.
I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT I AM GOING TO BUY SOMETHING, I WANT
TO GO BUY THE PROPERTY, I WANT TO GO AND BUY A PRODUCT, AND
DOWN THE ROAD, I DIDN'T GET ALL THE NUTS AND BOLTS IN THAT
PRODUCT.
I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IF I FIND SOMETHING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
IT'S GOING TO LAST.
IF I INVEST IN SOMETHING, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK BECAUSE
THE PRODUCT WASN'T GOOD.
I HEAR WHAT MR. DINGFELDER IS SAYING BUT ME LIKE MYSELF, WE
CAN'T KEEP COMING BACK TO THE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T NICKEL AND DIME PEOPLE BECAUSE NOW
YOU GOT TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE MONEY.
YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE AND ASK FOR SOMETHING.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU WANT.
I MAKE THAT CLEAR.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU HAVE GOT TO PUT IT ALL ON THE
TABLE SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT,
INCLUDING THE CITIZENS THAT WE SERVE.
YOU ARE ASKING FOR US TO MAKE A VOTE.
ON SOMETHING.
BUT THE PEOPLE -- AND I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO ASK
QUESTIONS, TOO.
BUT FOR ME, IF I HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE TODAY, I DON'T WANT TO
GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE AND NICKEL AND DIME THE PEOPLE.
WE KNOW WE NEED WHAT WE NEED.
I WAS SO UPSET AT MY BUSINESS HAD BURNED A FIRE, AND FOR
ALMOST TWO MONTHS HAD NO WATER.
THE FUNERAL BUSINESS, A GUY NEXT TO ME HAS A DISABILITY,
WHEELCHAIRS, SERVICES PEOPLE OUT THERE, HOMES ON MY STREET.
SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NEEDS OF PIPE, BECAUSE
AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER I KNOW WHEN IT GETS COLD THOSE
PIPES BUST UP, YOU HAVE GOT CLAY PIPES AND IRON PIPES AND
THEY ARE OLD.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEE LATER ON AND NEW CONSTRUCTION,
WHATEVER.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK HOW IT'S GOING TO GET US
THERE.
AND IS THIS PLAN B GOING TO GET US THERE?
2:31:34PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, BASED ON THE ENGINEERING
THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR A 20-YEAR PERIOD, AND ALL OF THE NEEDS
THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE WATER SYSTEM, THE
WASTEWATER SYSTEM, WE BELIEVE THIS PLAN WILL GET US THERE TO
ACCOMMODATE OUR NEEDS.
WE KNEW WITH OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS THAT EVERYONE WANTED TO
SEE AN ALL-IN PLAN, SO THAT'S WHY STAFF, ALONG WITH OUR
EXTERNAL ENGINEERING FIRMS THAN WHO DID ALL THE THINGS THAT
YOU HEARD OUR TWO DIRECTORS TALK ABOUT, THEY DID FOR A YEAR
AND A HALF, ALMOST TWO YEARS STRAIGHT TO LOOK AT EVERY PIPE,
EVERY PUMP, EVERY BOLT, TO GIVE US AN ALL INCLUSIVE
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RELATED TO BELOW GROUND, ABOVE GROUND, AS
WELL AS FACTORING IN WHAT OUR FUTURE CAPACITY NEEDS WOULD
BE.
THE PLAN WE BELIEVE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN ALL-IN PLAN.
THE FUNDING PLAN THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AGAIN IS A PLAN
THAT WE BELIEVED WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THESE NEEDS TO BE
OPERATE THE SYSTEM, TO FUND THIS $3.2 BILLION MASTER PLAN
OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THOSE
COSTS, AND WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED MEASURES TO BE TAKEN
IN ORDER TO DRIVE DOWN THOSE COSTS AND TAP ADVANTAGE OF
ECONOMIES OF SCALE, NUMBER ONE, TO AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE GRANT
FUNDING, AND ALSO ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WE ARE
NOT INCURRING DEBT UPFRONT BUT OVER TIME IN ORDER TO GIVE US
THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY AND DRIVE DOWN THE COSTS ASSOCIATED
WITH THIS MASTER PROGRAM.
SO YES, SIR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE INFORMATION THAT
HAS BEEN PROVIDED, THE ANALYSIS THAT HAS BEEN DONE, WAS DONE
IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE ALL INCLUSIVE PLAN
FOR ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
2:33:35PM >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.
THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MR. CARLSON AND MR. MIRANDA.
2:33:52PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TO COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER'S POINT, TOO, I
HAD LONG DISCUSSION WAS STAFF ABOUT ALTERNATIVES TO TAP.
THE ONE, IF YOU HAVE THE 350 MILLION INCLUDED, YOU CAN BUY A
WHOLE LOT OF WHOLESALE WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER AND EVEN
IF IT NEEDS ADDITIONAL TREATMENT YOU CAN ADD THAT IN.
ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE WE TALKED ABOUT STAR, COULD YOU BUY A
WHOLE BUNCH OF STAR PROGRAM FOR $350 MILLION.
THE QUESTION IS, WHETHER ANY OF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND WE SHOULDN'T DEBATE THAT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO RUN
OUT OF TIME.
BUT MY SUGGESTION IS WE LEAVE THE MONEY IN, BECAUSE THEN WE
CAN DEBATE WHAT THE MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON LATER.
WE KNOW THAT WE NEED SUPPLY AND REUSE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I AM INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE MOTION
IS WE ARE GOING TO SUGGEST, BECAUSE I THINK ALL WE ARE DOING
IS SUGGESTING THAT THIS GO TO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT.
AND WE JUST TO THE SCHEDULE SLIDE REAL FAST?
IT'S TOWARD THE END.
MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND IS IN PART PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND
MY PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU INCLUDE MORE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAN THIS.
WHEN I LOOKED AT A SCHEDULE LIKE THIS, WHAT THIS LOOKS TO ME
LIKE IS THAT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE IN THIS
ROOM WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU
INCLUDE SOCIALIZING THIS, AND DEEPLY INFORMING THE COMMUNITY
ABOUT IT, WITH A MUCH MORE ROBUST SCHEDULE.
AT THE VERY LEAST I THINK THERE NEED TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING
IN EACH DISTRICT.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION REALLY ABOUT HOW IT WILL IMPACT
BUSINESSES.
THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION WITH THE TAMPA CHAMBER AND
OTHER GROUPS.
IDEALLY, GROUPS THAN, T.H.A.N., NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.
AND THE OTHER THING, BY THE WAY, THAT I DON'T SEE IN HERE
AND I FORGOT TO ASK YESTERDAY WAS CONSERVATION.
THERE'S AN ALLEGATION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T
CONSERVE AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD, AND I THINK YOU OUGHT TO ADD
A SLIGHT ON WHAT WE ARE DOING AND PLAN TO DO IN THE FUTURE
TO ANSWER THOSE ALLEGATIONS.
AS YOU GO ALONG ENGAGING THE PUBLIC YOU ARE GOING TO GET
ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO MODIFY YOUR PRESENTATION AS YOU
GOVERNMENT BUT I WOULD RATHER, WHEN THIS COMES UP, TODAY I
THINK WE ARE JUST VOTING TO TAKE IT TO PUBLIC INPUT.
WE ARE NOT VOTING TO RECOMMEND IT.
AND IF WE ARE VOTING FOR TO THE GO TO PUBLIC INPUT, I HOPE
THAT IT WILL BE REBUT PUBLIC INPUT SO BY THE TIME IT COMES
TO US THERE WILL BE CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU.
2:36:16PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
IF I MAY ADDRESS QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THINGS.
FIRST WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WITH THE ITEM NUMBER 2,
WITH 350 MILLION, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICAL WE DO NOT IMPLEMENT
A POTABLE REUSE PROJECT AND WE DO AN APPLES AND APPLES
COMPARISON OF BUYING WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
YOU KNOW, EXPAND STAR AND GOING NORTH WITH RECLAIMED WATER,
AND OTHER OPTIONS.
AND WE DO NOT SELECT TAMPA, OR ANOTHER POTABLE PROJECT.
THAT 350 MILLION I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY WOULD BE MORE THAN
THAT, WOULD BE NEEDED TO EXPAND THE REUSE SYSTEM, TO REMOVE
THE NUTRIENTS FROM THE BAY.
IT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS, AS
COUNCILMAN CARLSON JUST MENTIONED.
AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP.
IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY A WATER SOFTENING PLANT TO
FURTHER TREAT THE WATER THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE MORRIS
BRIDGE WELLFIELD.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE ALL -- THEY ARE NOT GROWTH RELATED.
I MEAN, THEY ARE TO SOME DEGREE AND WILL BE.
BUT DURING DROUGHT TIMES, WE BAY WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER,
AND THAT WATER NEEDS TO BE TREATED FURTHER.
AND EXPANSION OF A RECLAIMED SYSTEM.
DON'T FORGET THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF PUTTING THE KNOT RENTS
IN THE BAY.
AND PROVIDING SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIERS INLAND.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS THAT I WOULD
ARGUE EXISTING CUSTOMERS SHOULD CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE IN, AS
WELL AS NEW CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN.
AS TO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE AGREE, WE NEED TO HIT THAT
HARD BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WRONG DATE UP THERE.
AND DO A -- HIT SOCIAL MEDIA.
WE JUST SIMPLY NEED TO DO THAT GET THE WORD OUT THERE AS TO
WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
IT WILL LIKELY BE THE LARGEST EFFORT ONGOING IN THIS CITY AT
3.2 BILLION DOLLARS.
I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THOSE TWO THINGS.
AND TURN IT BACK OVER.
2:38:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAN THANK YOU.
I AGREE WITH ALL SENTIMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID.
I AGREE CERTAINLY WITH COUNCIL MELISSA BECKMAN GUDES.
I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
AND WE HAVE NEVER THAT I KNOW OF NEVER HAD A PROJECT THAT
WAS NEVER ADVERTISED TO THE PUBLIC AND LET THE PUBLIC KNOW.
CERTAINLY NOW WE HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA THAT 20 YEARS AGO YOU
DIDN'T HAVE.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROJECT, 2038, RIGHT?
THE SAME NUMBER THAT TAMPA BAY WATER IS SUPPOSED TO END.
BE BUT IT WILL NOT END IN 2038.
THIS ONE WILL.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENCES.
AND I AM NOT HERE TO BOOST TAMPA OR TALK BAD ABOUT TAMPA.
BUT THE FACTS ARE THAT WHEN YOU DON'T TAKE WHAT IS NECESSARY
TO FIX SOMETHING, GUESS WHAT, WHEN YOU GET TO THE END, YOU
DON'T PAY AGAIN.
AND YOU BUY A 6 CYLINDER CAR IT DOESN'T COME WITH A 4
CYLINDER ENGINE.
IT COMES WITH A 6 CYLINDER ENGINE.
AND THE PRESENTATION, WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE IS
ANOTHER ITEM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND HOW
YOU HAVE TO DO IT, JUST THINK IF WE HAD THE SAME IDEA NOW
THAT HAPPENED AT THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT AND THEY DIDN'T
EXPAND THE PLANT.
WERE THEY CONSIDERING GROWTH? NO, THEY WERE CONSIDERING
NECESSITY.
SO IF THAT PLANT WASN'T EXPANDED TO 96 MILLION, WHERE WOULD
WE BE AT TODAY?
AND IF I CAN ANSWER THAT -- CAN ANYBODY ANSWER THAT?
WHAT IF THE WATER PLANT WAS FILLED AT ULELE?
WHERE WOULD YOU BUYING?
2:40:35PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
FIRST OF ALL ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE WE WOULD
HAVE WASTEWATER OVERFLOW.
2:40:41PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT ABOUT IF YOU HAD THE OLD WATER PLANT THE FIRST ONE BY
ULELE SPRINGS?
WHEREBY WOULD WE BE AT TODAY?
YOU HAVE TO GO -- FACTS ARE FACTS.
I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
SOMEWHAT I DO.
I AM NOT AS SMART AS YOU GUYS ARE.
BUT WHAT IT WOULD AMOUNT TO, IT'S A HARD DECISION.
EASY DECISIONS DON'T COME EASY.
HARD DECISIONS ARE REALLY STUDIED AND WORKED FOR A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN ONE DAY. THIS IS GOING TO
HAPPEN IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
THE END OF IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, THE FLOW CHART OF RATES, THAT'S
WHAT I LOOK AT.
FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, NO CITY BE UNDER THE SAME SCENARIOS
THAT WE HAVE HERE, HAVE BEEN CLOSE TO THE RATES THAT WE
CHARGE.
NONE.
AND NOW IS THE TIME THAT THE CAN CANNOT BE KICKED ANY
FURTHER, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, THE COST OF JUST
REPAIRING, FORGET -- IF YOU LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, IN THE
NEXT 20 YEARS, YOU WILL HAVE MORE COSTS OF REPAIRING THAN
YOU DID IN REPLACING.
IT WOULD GO OVER, IN MY ESTIMATE, OVER $3 BILLION IN JUST
FIXING AND WELDING AND BREAKING THE SAME PIPE AND CONNECTING
IT BACK LATER TO SAY, HEY, YOU ARE AT THE SAME STREET DOING
THE SAME THING.
YEAH, WE ARE DOING THE SAME THING, SAME PIPE, JUST FIVE FEET
FURTHER, REPAIRING THE PIPE.
IT HAS TO BE DONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND AS FAR AS GROWTH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND EVERYBODY, WHEN
THEY COME IN, THEY PAY.
I DON'T PAY FOR A NEW CAR UNTIL I BUY ONE.
AND BY THE WAY, I NEVER BOUGHT A THAN NEW CAR.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE A COUPLE OF DOLLARS IN THE WANK BANK.
I DON'T GO TO A FOOTBALL STADIUM.
I PAID FOR ONE.
DO I GET A REBATE?
I DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
I DON'T HAVE A KID IN PUBLIC SCHOOL.
DO I ASK FOR A REBATE?
I PAID FOR THAT SCHOOL BECAUSE IT'S A NEEDED NECESSITY FOR
SOCIETY.
NOT FOR ME BUT FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS, WHAT DO YOU DO AND HOW DO YOU
FIX IT?
WHY DON'T WE BRING A STADIUM IN?
YOU SEE THE PEOPLE VOTE FOR IT.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE FOR THIS SOONER OR LATER.
THAT'S WHAT WE GOT ELECTED FOR I.DIDN'T GET ELECTED TO BUILD
A STADIUM.
NONE OF THEM
I NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL.
NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE SPORTS.
BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING YOUR MONEY.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE GOT ELECTED FOR, FOR THIS, FOR NOTHING
ELSE.
AND I AM NOT PREACHING.
I AM JUST STATING A FACT.
AND I APPRECIATE, WHETHER I DISAGREE WITH YOU AT TIMES, AND
I QUITE OFTEN AS YOU WELL KNOW.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STAR AND YOU TALK ABOUT OTHER
THINGS, THE COST OF PUTTING IT IN FAR EXCEEDS THE RETURN.
WE TRIED IT.
AND I AM NOT GOING THERE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT THE FIGURES
ARE.
I AM NOT GOING TO BRING THEM.
WE TRADE OTHER THINGS.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS IS WHAT YOU LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN ARE PRESENTING.
AND BY THE WAY, I SEE WHAT YOU ALL DID.
YOU HAD THE THREE PEOPLE MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THE CLOSER
WAS RIGHT THERE.
I SAW WHAT YOU DID.
AND YOU ARE VERY, VERY INTELLIGENT IN DOING THAT.
2:44:12PM >>LUIS VIERA:
BEFORE I RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I
UNFORTUNATELY HAVE BEEN TO BE GO DUE TO A PRIOR COMMITMENT
AT 3:00.
BUT I WILL BE LATE FOR IT, BUT I'M SORRY.
SO PARDON ME.
2:44:31PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JUST REAL QUICKLY, AND BRAD, I DID HEAR
SOMEBODY SAY CORRECTLY WE DO NOT HAVE AN IMPACT FEE, A WATER
IMPACT FEE?
2:44:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE DO NOT.
2:44:42PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE DO NOT.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY?
2:44:44PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE HAVE A CAPACITY ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE,
WHICH IS AKIN TO THAT.
2:44:58PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A WATER
AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEE OR CAPACITY BARED BARRED I JUST
DON'T KNOW THAT.
2:45:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE THAT, BECAUSE
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND I THINK THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD PAY FOR ITSELF.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IF OVER THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS, WE HAVE 25 THAT YOU NEW
RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS, WHICH I THINK IS COMPLETELY
REASONABLE THAT THERE MIGHT BE 25,000 NEWER RESIDENTIAL
DWELLING UNITS OVER THE NEXT X NUMBER OF YEARS, THE
WIND-THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, IF WE HAD A $1,000 FEE
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FOR THOSE NEWCOMERS, TO HELP
CONTRIBUTE, THEY ARE GOING TO BE PAYING THEIR NORMAL WATER
BILL BUT THEY ALSO WOULD BE HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO PAY FOR
THIS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED MUCH ONE
WAY OR THE OTHER.
THAT COMES OUT TO $25 MILLION.
IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO
ARE MOVING HERE, SO THAT PEOPLE WHO DON'T -- WHO ALREADY
LIVE HERE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT $25 million.
All right?
The roads are getting busier. Everything is getting busier.
The community is growing.
Some people are for it.
Some people are against it.
I am not weighing be into that.
But I am just saying newcomers should be paying their fair
share.
I am not looking for any decision or further discussion on
it today.
But I am just saying let's explore it.
Let's discuss it down the road, as we continue this
discussion, because I think they are in compliance.
Chuck, I will agree with you.
I am going to crunch this number.
It's sort of a drop in the bucket compared to 3 billion
dollars but it's still real money, tens of millions of
DOLLARS OF POTENTIAL MONEY THAT'S OUT THEREBY, AND IN MY
OPINION, OUR RESPONSIBILITY THAN TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS
WHO LIVE HERE.
2:46:52PM >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE REITERATE, WE DO HAVE IMPACT FEES ON
THE WATER SIDE, AND WE HAVE BE ALREADY BEGUN THE PROCESS OF
LOOKING AT IMPACT FEES FOR TRANSMISSION, DISTRIBUTION, SO WE
ARE WORKING ON IT AS WE SPEAK.
2:47:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:47:17PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU WANT TO ASK THAT THEY COME BACK AND
REPORT TO US?
2:47:21PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'M OKAY.
THEY KNOW THE QUESTION.
2:47:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO OTHER QUICK COMMENTS.
ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS, IN OTHER UTILITIES, IF THEY HAVE A
QUOTE-UNQUOTE UNIVERSAL COVERAGE AND I THINK IT'S MAYBE IN A
LATER SLIDE, WE CUT YOU OFF, BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT PROGRAMS
TO HELP PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD THIS RIGHT HERE.
2:47:46PM >> YES.
2:47:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.
2:47:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANT TO BE SURE WE PUT THAT ON THE RECORD
FOR ANYBODY WATCHING.
2:47:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE?
NO?
2:48:00PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:48:04PM >> IS THERE A PROPOSED MOTION?
WHAT DO WE DO?
2:48:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FURTHER DISCUSSION IS JUNE 6th SO
WE HAVE TO AUTHORIZE TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE A MOTION NEEDED FOR THAT?
2:48:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I COULD MAYBE SUGGEST SOME PHRASEOLOGY?
COULD WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS,
WHATEVER, DEPARTMENT TO TAKE THIS IDEA TO THE PUBLIC TO GET
INPUT TO BRING BACK TO US?
THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS WE ARE NOT TODAY SAYING WE ARE FOR OR
AGAINST IT, WE JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THIS
SLIDE MUCH YOU ARE SHOWING, YOU HAVE IN NUMBER 4 CONSIDER
RATE INCREASE.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ADD A NUMBER 4, OR SORRY, THE LAST
POINT, THAT IF APPROVED NEW RATES WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE.
YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, IF YOU SHOWED SOMETHING LIKE
THAT, PEOPLE THINK IT'S A DONE DEAL AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
LISTEN TO THEM.
SO I HOPE THAT WE GENUINELY LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC, WE DON'T
JUST PRESENT AND EDUCATE BUT WE LISTEN AND BRING FEEDBACK.
IF THE MOTION IS THAT WE APPROVE TAKING THE PUBLIC TO BRING
THE PUBLIC'S INPUT BACK, THAT WILL GIVE US SUGGESTIONS THAT
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE TO MODIFY THE PROGRAM OR APPROVE IT
AS IT IS.
2:49:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE WILL CERTAINLY DO THAT AS PUBLIC
INVOLVEMENT, PUBLIC OUTREACH, AND WHAT WE CAN DO IS COME
BACK ON SEPTEMBER 5th AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PRESENT
WHAT WE FOUND IN THAT OUTREACH.
2:49:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU SAY SEPTEMBER 5th.
WHAT ABOUT AUGUST?
2:49:54PM >>BRAD BAIRD:
WE HAD TO MOVE IT OUT.
2:49:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OH, YEAH, YEAH.
2:49:59PM >> AND I'M SORRY, WAS THERE A MOTION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING
FOR CONSIDERATION?
2:50:11PM >> NO, AS WE CRAFT A MOTION, I WAS SUGGESTING LANGUAGE THAT
WE SAY THAT WE APPROVE FOR PUBLIC WORKS TO TAKE THIS IDEA TO
THE PUBLIC, TO GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, THAT THEY WOULD
BRING BACK TO US.
SO WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OR AGAINST IT TODAY.
WE ARE JUST ASKING PUBLIC WORKS TO GET PUBLIC INPUT TO BE
BRING BACK SO THEN WE COULD CONSIDER IT LATER.
2:50:32PM >> SO UNDER THE STATUTE WE NEED TO NOTICE, USING THE UTILITY
BILLING PROCESS, NOTICE THE PUBLIC OF WHEN A PUBLIC HEARING
WILL BE SET SO THEY CAN PARTICIPATE.
AND I BELIEVE WHAT YOU HEARD PREVIOUSLY IS THAT THE FOLKS
INDICATED THAT SEPTEMBER 5th WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE
COULD SET THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
2:50:57PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO IN THE LANGUAGE OF IT, CAN WE SAY, CAN WE
USE WHAT HE SAID HERE, WE ARE CONSIDERING A RATE INCREASE,
WE ARE CONSIDERING A PLAN, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE
THE IMPRESSION IT'S A FULL BLOWN CONCLUSION BECAUSE WE COULD
COME BACK AND SAY NO, IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA.
2:51:16PM >> RIGHT.
JUST THE DATE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE SET, BUT WE CAN
NOTICE, TOO.
2:51:21PM >>THE CLERK:
DOES THAT REQUIRE A RESOLUTION TO SET THE
PUBLIC HEARING?
2:51:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
FOR SEPTEMBER 5th?
ONLY SEPTEMBER 5th?
2:51:30PM >> JAN MCLEAN:
I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD REQUIRE A
RESOLUTION TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT IT IS FOR SEPTEMBER
5th.
2:51:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THEY GET THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER.
2:51:43PM >> JAN MCLEAN:
IT'S GOING TO BE DONE THROUGH THE UTILITY
BILLS.
2:51:49PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AS I SAID EARLIER, IF THAT DATE IS THE FOCAL
POINT, WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT'S EVER HAPPENED IN
THIS CITY.
AND THAT'S I THINK -- THE AIRPORT PROJECT, SORRY, BUT IT
WILL BE THE BIGGEST THING HAPPENING IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS
AND MAYBE EVEN DURING THE RECESSION.
AND THIS IS A BIG RATE INCREASE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ROBUST CONVERSATION, AND
THAT THE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING, WE NEED TO GET OUT
THERE IN LOTS OF WAYS.
BUT I AM HOPING THAT EVERYBODY WE RUN INTO KNOWS ALL ABOUT
THIS, AND HAS ALL THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ASKED AND
SUBMITTED WAY BEFORE WE GET TO SEPTEMBER 5th, PLEASE.
2:52:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
2:52:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
WELL, AND I AGREE.
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY, IF ANYTHING?
YOU HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO NOTICE THE PUBLIC OF A POSSIBLE
RATE INCREASE?
2:52:41PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
IF WE CAN GET AUTHORIZATION FROM CITY
COUNCIL TODAY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE NOTICE TO ALL OF OUR
UTILITY CUSTOMERS -- FOR CONSIDERATION, AND NOTICE OF THE
PUBLIC HEARING FOR SEPTEMBER 5th.
2:52:57PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THAT'S FINE.
2:52:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONSIDERATION POSSIBLE, SO NOBODY GETS
THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S SET IN STONE, YOU KNOW, WHO IS
GOING TO LISTEN TO US NOW, THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE SOMETHING?
LITTLE ALSO THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WE DID
FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE THE PUBLIC HAS THE RATE
TO COME AND PROVIDE INPUT RELATED TO THE RECOMMENDED
PROPOSED RATE.
THIS IS A NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS, AND IN SOME CASES WE
ADVERTISE, IN THIS CASE ACCORDING TO MS. MCLEAN WE'RE
ACQUIRED UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES TO PUT IT IN THE CUSTOMER
UTILITY BILL.
WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT AND WILL MOVE FORWARD DOING THAT
WITH YOUR AUTHORIZATION.
2:53:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:53:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT BUT I HAVE
ISSUES THAT WE DON'T MARKET WELL HERE.
IF YOU PUT IT OUT IN THE UTILITY BILL, YOU ARE GOING TO LET
THE PUBLIC KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE NOBODY REALLY
KNOWS.
I TOLD YOU IN THE MEETING BEFORE, PEOPLE GET THAT BILL UP
AND THE FIRST THING I DO, I SEE WHAT MY BILL IS.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MARKET IT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING
BECAUSE IT IS A HIGH TICKET ITEM.
I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
2:54:15PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALSO, ABOUT THE CONCERN OF
PROPERLY NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC.
SO THE FIRST STEP AND THE AUTHORIZATION THAT GOES OUT IN THE
UTILITY BILLS, IT WILL NOT BE A LINE ITEM.
IT WILL BE A SEPARATE BRIGHTLY COLORED SHEET TO COMMUNICATE
THE INTENT, AND ALSO TO NOTIFY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR
SEPTEMBER 5th.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED TALKING ABOUT
PARTNERING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISONS WITHIN THE CITY TO
FURTHER GET THE INFORMATION OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
MEETINGS, IN ADDITION TO USING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA EFFORTS.
SO WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR.
2:55:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THIS IS A CLARIFICATION, AND CERTAINLY CAN
TALK TO IT, BUT THE AUTHORIZATION TO THE NOTICE, TO NOTICE
THE PUBLIC OF A RATE INCREASE, THE QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE
THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
YOU REQUIRE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TODAY THAT HAS TO APPEAR IN
THE NOTICE?
2:55:25PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
YES.
2:55:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S WHY IT'S POSSIBLE.
2:55:32PM >>BILL CARLSON:
COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTED MOTION?
INSTEAD OF AUTHORIZATION, TELL ME LEGALLY IF THIS IS RIGHT
OR NOT.
BUT IF WE COULD BE SAY SOMETHING LIKE COUNCIL REQUESTS THAT
THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT RUN A ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th, AND THEN AND
PROPERLY NOTICE THE PUBLIC THAT THERE IS A CONSIDERATION OF
A POSSIBLE RATE INCREASE, AND REQUEST THAT YOU RETURN TO A
PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5th TO PRESENT THE FEEDBACK
FROM THE PUBLIC.
2:56:15PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT, YOU KNOW,
THE ADMINISTRATION, EVERYONE HERE IS ASKING US FOR MILLIONS
OF DOLLARS.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE A COUPLE DOLLARS MORE TO PUT IT IN THE
NAPE, SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THE UTILITY BILL, THERE ARE PEOPLE
THAT WILL SKIP RATE OVER IT.
LIKE I SAID, LA GACETA, FLORIDA SENTINEL.
2:56:40PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE BEEN VERBALIZING THIS
THAN FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.
WE ARE NOT THAN -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH DELAYING
THE ADVERTISEMENT, DOING THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
WE HAVE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
AND WE WILL KEEP YOU APPRAISED TO THE EFFORTS BEING MADE
BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th AS FAR AS NOTIFYING THE
PUBLIC.
2:57:10PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ORLANDO AND I, WE ARE ALL AS AN EXAMPLE OF
OUR EXPERIENCE, AS AND WE PARAPLEGIC IF WE KEEP MISSING --
KEEP REPEATING THIS, EVERYTHING WAS IN PARTICULAR BUT TWO OF
THEM IN PARTICULAR WERE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE UNANIMOUSLY,
NINE OF US UNANIMOUSLY REQUESTED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
ADVERTISE, AND THEY DID IT.
AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, IT'S FREE TO SET UP A FACEBOOK PAGE
FOR THE EVENT.
AND WE WERE UNANIMOUSLY IMPRESSED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
PUT UP A FAQ PAGE EVENT.
AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TWO WEEKS LATER WAS
NO.
AND SO ALL THAT IS, ORLANDO, THIS IS A NEW DAY WITH A NEW
ADMINISTRATION.
IN WATCHING THE NEW MAYOR AND COMMUNICATING WITH HER, I
THINK IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW ERA, AND I THINK THAT SHE'S
GIVEN A DIRECTIVE TO EVERYONE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND
LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC.
AND I THINK SORRY IF WE SOUND LAKE BROKEN RECORDS, BUT I
THINK THE CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO DRASTICALLY
HELP ALL OF THIS AND WE WON'T HAVE TO HARP AS MUCH GOING
FORWARD.
BUT THIS IS THE BIGGEST THING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO
FOR A LONG TIME.
2:58:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THOUGHT STORMWATER WAS YEARS AGO.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
2:58:25PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YEAH, I APPRECIATE MR. CARLSON'S
BACKGROUND IN PUBLIC RELATIONS AND I AGREE WITH HIM, I THINK
THIS SHOULD BE CALLED SOMETHING, POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE,
WHEREVER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, AS LONG AS THAT'S LEGALLY
SUFFICIENT.
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT COMMITTED YET.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T BE COMMITTED UNTIL WE VOTE, WHENEVER
YOU ARE ASKING US TO VOTE, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WHATEVER.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY SAY, OH,
IT'S JUST SEMANTICS.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
THE OTHER THING IS, MR. CARLSON, I APPRECIATE YOUR
SUGGESTION, AND I AM ACTUALLY AT SOME POINT MAYBE AS A
SEPARATE MOTION WOULD ASK BY SPECIFIC MOTION THAT YOU GUYS
COME BACK SOMETIME DURING THE SUMMER AND LET'S TALK ABOUT
IMPACT FEES AND/OR RELATED ISSUES.
SO I'LL DO THAT AS A SEPARATE MOTION AFTERWARDS.
2:59:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
THEN YOU MADE THE MOTION.
DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE IT?
2:59:28PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
2:59:40PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DO WE HAVE AN EVENING MEETING THAT NIGHT?
BECAUSE FRANKLY, AN EVENING WOULD BE MORE FAIR.
2:59:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT SHOULD BE EVENING ACTUALLY, YES.
2:59:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SO FIRST OF SEPTEMBER WE ARE CLOSED FOR
LABOR DAY OF COURSE.
ON SEPTEMBER 5th IS A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING THAT EVENING.
I WOULD SAY 6:00 TO GET FOLKS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET OFF
WORK AT 5:00, 5:30.
WOULD THAT BE PART OF YOUR MOTION?
3:00:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, PLEASE, 6:00.
3:00:15PM >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
3:00:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE CAN CALL THAT A REGULAR MEETING OF
COUNCIL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS.
3:00:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SEPTEMBER 5th, 6:00 P.M.
3:00:29PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ALL I SAID.
DO YOU WANT TO READ IT BACK?
3:00:34PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SANDY, DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE SO WE KNOW
WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON, SOMETHING CLOSE?
3:00:39PM >>THE CLERK:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
3:00:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I WILL JUST SAY IT AGAIN AND FORCEFULLY.
I THINK THE WORD ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND SORRY, IT'S LIKE JOHN IS AN ATTORNEY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TAKE THAT KNOWLEDGE OUT OF YOUR HEAD.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE WORDS ARE RIGHT.
THAT CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS -- THE PUBLIC
WORKS DEPARTMENT ENGAGE THE PUBLIC WITH A ROBUST PUBLIC
ENGAGEMENT PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER 5th WITH
THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING THE PUBLIC'S FEEDBACK TO US ON
SEPTEMBER 5th WHILE ALSO NOTICING -- LEGALLY NOTICING
THE PUBLIC OF A POTENTIAL RATE INCREASE, AND THAT THERE WILL
BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 5th AT 6:00.
3:02:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A MOTION.
3:02:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.
3:02:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
3:02:23PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RELEVANT STAFF RETURN TO US IN
AUGUST -- MR. SHELBY, IF YOU CAN HELP ME.
3:02:30PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YOU HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS ON AUGUST
1st AND AUGUST 22ND.
3:02:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DURING STAFF REPORTS AUGUST 22ND TO
UPDATE US ON POSSIBILITY OF IMPACT FEE OR ANY SIMILAR
MEASURES AS RELATED TO OUR UTILITY PROGRAM.
3:02:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BE
DINGFELDER, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
3:03:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WANT TO SET UP ONE ON THE PROPOSALS FOR NEW
SOURCES AND REUSE?
DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE SEPTEMBER 5th OR NOT?
3:03:13PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S UP TO YOU.
MY ISSUE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
3:03:21PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO WE HAVE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY BY SEPTEMBER
5th, DO WE HAVE TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU ARE GOING
TO SPEND THE 350 MILLION ON?
OR CAN WE JUST LEAVE IT IN A GENERAL BUCKET AND DECIDE THE
ACTUAL SOURCES LATER?
3:03:34PM >>SONYA LITTLE:
YES, SIR.
THE 350 MILLION CAN BE LEFT IN THE GENERAL BUDGET THE WAY
THAT THE MODELING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE SIX TO
SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD.
THAT 350 WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE RESULTING RATES NO
MATTER WHAT SCENARIO YOU GO WITH, WITH OR WITHOUT OF THAT
350 IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS.
3:04:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY SUGGESTION IS ONCE WE GET PAST THIS
PROCESS, THEN WE START A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS REGARDING
HOW TO USE THAT MONEY, AND THAT WILL BE A WHOLE OTHER
DISCUSSION.
3:04:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO WE HAVE DINGFELDER'S MOTION?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DINGFELDER, MADE A MOTION, GUDES
SECONDED IT.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION?
ALL RIGHT.
MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE GO ONTO OUR LAST ITEM, MR. SNELLING, THE SKATEBOARD
STRUCTURES.
3:04:46PM >>THOM SNELLING:
YES.
I'M HERE TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE BACKGROUND
INFORMATION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, AND HALF PIPE.
PART OF THE MOTION SAYS WHAT YOU DO IN THE SHORT TERM AND IN
THE LONG-TERM.
KRISTIN AND REBECCA ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LONG-TERM
POSSIBILITIES TO CONSIDER.
MY BACKGROUND INFORMATION IS THAT YOU ALL KNOW IF THE
GENTLEMAN HAS PIPE PERMITS, HE HAS NOT CALLED IN FOR HIS
FIRST INSPECTION SO THERE WERE SOME ISSUES ABOUT WHETHER THE
DRAIN IS GOING TO WORK OR IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND SOME
OTHER ITEMS THAT MR. HATCH HAD MENTIONED BOTH IN HIS LETTER
AND THE TAMES HE SPOKE BEFORE YOU.
UNTIL HE CALLS IN FOR THAT FIRST INSPECTION ON HIS ACTIVE
PERMIT, WE WON'T GO OUT THERE, AND THAT'S BY OUR PROCESS AND
OUR CODE.
WE WON'T GONE OUT THERE AND DO THE INSPECTION AND EVALUATE
WHETHER THE DRAIN WORKS OR NOT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE RETAINING WALL ULTIMATELY IS LEANING AND
IT'S FALLING, AND IF IT'S CAUSING THE DRAINAGE TO NOT DO
WHAT HIS PLANS SHOW, THEN WE WILL ADDRESS THAT.
THE LEANING OF THE WALL ONTO MR. HATCH'S PROPERTY IS A CIVIL
MATTER, AND HE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
HE AND I HAVE TALKING OUT IN THE HALL EARLIER AND BEFORE,
TOO.
THE OTHER ITEM, HE STILL HAS AN ACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE
FOR THE HALF PIPE.
HE'S ALSO BEEN CITED FOR AN ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE
BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS BUTTING HIS PLAYS IN BE REVIEW HE HAD
EXPANDED HIS DRIVEWAY AND RAN THE SIDEWALK AGAINST THAN THE
CITY CODE, AND HE'S BEEN CITED FOR THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN IN THE COURSE OF ACTION OF OUR INSPECTORS OUT
THERE, WE FOUND THAT HE HAD ALSO BUILT A PERGOLA AND
EXTENSION OF THE PATIO WITH A ROOF ON IT, WHICH ALSO NEEDED
A PERMIT, DID THAT WORK WITHOUT PERMITS, AND HE'S UNDER
CITATION FOR THAT.
SO THAT PARTICULAR CITIZEN IS UNDER THREE DIFFERENT
CITATIONS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
NOT ALL RELATED, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW.
IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO GO OUT.
YOU HAVE TO REINSPECT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO THE SHORT TERM IS THAT WE ARE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF
THESE VARIOUS PROCESSES, IN SPITE OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS
PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR DUE PROCESS.
OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE END UP SUING THE CITY.
AND WE TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW ALL OF THOSE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT IS.
IN THE SHORT TERM WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN RIGHT
NOW TO REIN THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE IN.
THE REVIEW.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO PASS UNTIL IT MEETS ALL CODES.
AND ALSO ON THE SITE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT THE POINT IT IS A LEGAL, ALLOWABLE STRUCTURE LIKE A
BATTING CAGE, A BASKETBALL COURT, A SWIMMING POOL, TREE
HOUSES AND PLAY STRUCTURES.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF GET THE SIMILAR CONTAINED OF
THING.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN IN THE SHORT
TERM TO TRY TO ENFORCE THIS THING.
AND THEN FIX THE NOISE THAT MR. HATCH HIMSELF SAID HE CALLED
TPD WHICH IS EXACTLY APPROPRIATE, AND TPD ANSWERS, AND THEY
MAKE THEM STOP.
3:08:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT BEGAN WITH A SKATE STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THERE'S NO PERMITS FOR THE PATIO.
THEN THERE'S DRIVEWAY EXPANSION ISSUES.
THEN THERE'S NO RESPECT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AT THE END OF
THE DAY.
IT'S NOT JUST OH, IT'S A BAD NEIGHBOR AND THE SKATE RAMP
MAKES A TON OF NOISE.
ON TOP OF THAT, THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS IN VIOLATION,
ESSENTIALLY, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE --
3:08:48PM >>THOM SNELLING:
WE ARE DISCOVERING.
AND WE DO THAT KIND OF STUFF ALL THE TIME.
WE ARE CONSTANTLY GOING AFTER PEOPLE THAT --
3:09:03PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN LEGAL?
THE ONLY VIOLATION -- I MEAN, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO --
3:09:14PM >>THOM SNELLING:
IT'S OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
HE'S GOT TO GET IN COMPLIANCE.
WHEN THEY GO OUT AND REINSPECT IN 15, 30 DAYS, I DON'T KNOW
THE EXACT TIME FRAME, HE WILL EITHER PASS, OR HE WILL FAIL.
IF HE FAILS, THE NEXT STEP IS TO MOVE HIM TO THE HEARING
MAGISTRATE.
HEARING MAGISTRATE HEARS HIM.
FINDS HIM GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY.
IF HE FINDS HIM GUILTY, HE CAN GO IN START CLEANING THE
PROPERTY.
3:09:38PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THIS IS DEEMED RECREATIONAL, RIGHT?
3:09:40PM >>THOM SNELLING:
IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE SEE IT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
3:09:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IS THERE A CODE FOR RECREATION?
3:09:52PM >>THOM SNELLING:
NOT -- NOT IN THIS SENSE, NO, SIR.
3:09:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
BECAUSE IT'S OUT IN A BACKYARD ON A
RESIDENTIAL -- IT'S GOING UP IN THE AIR, AND YOU HAVE
RESIDENTS AND THEIR PRIVACY HAS BEEN AFFECTED.
3:10:07PM >>THOM SNELLING:
PEOPLE HAVE BOWLING AND SHUFFLEBOARD
COURTS IN THEIR BACKYARD.
3:10:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BUT THEY ARE NOT LOOKING OVER AT THE
NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
3:10:19PM >>THOM SNELLING:
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
WELL, BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, COUNCILMEN, I WOULD LIKE YOU
TO LISTEN TO WHAT KRISTIN HAS TO SAY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK MR. HATCH REALIZES THAT THIS KIND OF HE'S STUCK
BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, AND THE LARGER ISSUE IN AND
AROUND THE CITY, SO I THINK KRISTIN IS GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT
YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT, ALONG THE LINE OF COUNCILMAN GUDES'
THINKING.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
I HAVE A 3:30 I HAVE TO GET TO.
EXCUSE ME.
3:11:05PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
SO RECREATIONAL STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL
DISTRICTS.
IN FACT, PRIVATE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT COULD
POTENTIALLY HAVE LARGE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED
IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THAT IS THE POLICY THAT'S SET OUT IN THE CODE CURRENTLY.
CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT THROUGH LAND
DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
THE ONLY CAVEAT I WOULD GIVE YOU FOR THAT IS WHEN YOU ARE
CRAFTING LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, YOU HAVE TO TREAT
ALIKE THINGS ALIKE.
AND MAYBE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC
WELFARE REASON FOR WHAT YOU DO.
SO AS YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, AND WHAT THE
PARTICULAR ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONCERN IS THE NOISE
ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE DO HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE.
THERE WAS A BULLETIN TO TPD THAT THEY CAN ENFORCE NOISE
ORDINANCE AGAINST THIS SKATING PARK, SO THAT IS AN AVAILABLE
AVENUE TO TRY AND STOP EXCESSIVE NOISE, BUT ALSO THE CONCERN
IS NOISE, THEN SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT OTHER POTENTIALLY
NOISY STRUCTURES SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PICK JUST ONE
THING.
YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF SERIOUS
NOISE-CAUSING TYPE OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, LIKE THAN THE
CONCERN OF PRIVACY, STRUCTURES -- ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE
ALLOWED TO BE 15 FEET BY RIGHT UNDER THE CODE AND PRIVACY
WALLS CAN ONLY BE 6 FEET.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO THINK
ABOUT, DISCUSS, POTENTIALLY WORKSHOP.
THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THERE MIGHT BE ZONING
REGULATIONS AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS.
I JUST ASK YOU TO BE OPEN TO AND PERHAPS WORKSHOP AND
DISCUSS THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THEM FURTHER.
3:13:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL?
MR. DINGFELDER.
3:13:10PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THOSE UNFORTUNATE
THINGS, DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE TO THE
NEIGHBOR WHO IS BACK IN THE AUDIENCE, BECAUSE I AM NOT
REALLY CONVINCED OTHER THAN THESE CODE ENFORCEMENT THINGS
THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BE GREAT
SOLUTION.
AND I JUST LIKE TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONEST IF
POSSIBLE.
JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SORT OF CHASING THE TRAIN, YOU KNOW.
HE GOT THIS BUILT, HE APPARENTLY PULLED SOME SORT OF
TEMPORARY/SOMEWHAT PERMANENT PERMIT, AND AS LONG AS HE CAN
FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BE COMPLIANT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S
MUCH WE CAN DO.
NOW, WITH THAT SAID, THAT DOESN'T MEAN AS AN INDIVIDUAL
HOMEOWNER, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILE AN ACTION IN
CIRCUIT COURT AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR FOR NUISANCE, NOT JUST
FOR THE WALL BEING A NUISANCE BUT THE NOISE BEING A
NUISANCE.
THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE POSSIBLE LEGAL OPINION, BUT DON'T
QUOTE ME ON IT.
BUT, ANYWAY, WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT IT'S INHERENT IN
THIS BOARD TO INITIATE AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING RESIDENTIAL
SKATEBOARDS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO GO INTO IMAGINING WHAT
OTHER TYPES OF RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES WE MIGHT WANT TO
PROHIBIT.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHERS.
GENERALLY PEOPLE AREN'T BUILDING TENNIS COURTS AND OTHER
PROBLEM-TYPE THINGS IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
ESPECIALLY NOT IN 50-FOOT LOTS.
BUT NOW WE CAN SEE A SKATEBOARD FACILITY IN RESIDENTIAL
RS-50s, RS-60s, MAYBE EVEN RS-75s OR 100S ARE
PROBLEMATIC AND I THINK AT A MINIMUM IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP
THAT GENTLEMAN, BUT AT A MINIMUM WE SHOULD PROHIBIT FUTURE
DEVELOPMENT OF SKATEBOARD FACILITIES.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAFT THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE BRILLIANT COUNSEL AND STAFF THAT DO IT.
AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE OVERNIGHT.
BUT I THINK IN THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS, IN THE NEXT
CYCLE, THAN ZONING ORDINANCE CYCLE, I THINK WE SHOULD FIGURE
OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF
AND LEGAL TO DRAFT AND BRING BACK A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE THAT
PROHIBITS SKATEBOARD FACILITIES IN CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL
NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:15:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE GOT A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER WITH A QUICK SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT?
3:15:54PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
IF I MAY, I THINK THE NEXT CYCLE CUT-OFF IS
JULY 15th.
SO THIS WOULD BE FOR THE JULY CYCLE, 2019.
3:16:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME?
3:16:05PM >>KRISTIN MORA:
SOMETHING WILL BE DRAFTED, AND THEN THOSE
PUBLIC INITIATED AMENDMENT FOR THE JULY CYCLE WILL BE
WORKSHOPPED AT SOME POINT AFTER JULY.
SO IT WILL BE AMONGST THOSE.
3:16:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT WILL BE MY MOTION.
THAT WILL BE THE DATE.
3:16:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOT IT?
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SECONDED FROM
COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION?
ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
NO?
THAT COMPLETES THE AGENDA.
SO WE WILL BE GOING ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:16:43PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WORKSHOP ON THE 20th ABOUT HOUSING.
AND BEING ASKED WHAT THE AGENDA IS.
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAK OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO DO
THREE MINUTES?
FOR EXAMPLE, THE TAMPA CHAMBER WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, DO WE
JUST ASK THEM --
3:16:57PM >>> ON THE 22ND?
3:17:01PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IS IT NOT THE 20th?
3:17:04PM >> 20th OF JUNE.
3:17:06PM >>BILL CARLSON:
WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
CHAMBER THAN WOULD LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK DO. WE JUST LET
THEM SPEAK IN THE THREE MINUTES?
3:17:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UNDER CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AT THE
BEGINNING.
3:17:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I BELIEVE THE WORKSHOP PRESENTLY HAS FOUR
COMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN THE FRONT PORCH DISCUSSION.
THEN THE REST OF THE MORNING WILL BE TO DISCUSS AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
I WOULD RECOMMEND, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN 1:30
TO 3:30, NO LATER THAN 3:30 LAND USE WORKSHOP THAT'S BEEN
SCHEDULED, THAT YOU DO KEEP IN MIND THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD
BE IN COUNCIL'S BEST INTEREST TO BE TAKE A LUNCH BREAK TO
ALLOW THAN YOUR MORNING SESSION TO CONCLUDE BY THEN.
3:17:51PM >>BILL CARLSON:
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT AGENDA, IF THEY ARE
GOING TO GET 200 PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK AT THREE MINUTES EACH.
DO WE WANT CONTENT EXPERTS?
DO WE WANT CONTENT EXPERTS TO COME AND PRESENT TOO?
OR DO WE JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY THREE MINUTES?
3:18:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE] NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO DO THE TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION ON TRIM NOTICE WITHOUT
LIGHTING UP THAT AGENDA.
BUT TO -- HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBERS WOULD YOU EXPECT
TO COME?
3:18:24PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IT'S NOT JUST THEM.
THERE ARE OTHER ORIGINALS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
MY FEELING IS WE INCLUDE EVERYBODY IN THE THREE-MINUTE PART.
I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTIONS, DO YOU WANT AN AGENDA OR JUST
LET ANYBODY SPEAK AT ONCE?
3:18:39PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WAS GOING TO AMEND MY MOTION FOR
SPECIFICS ON THE MOTION I MADE.
SO I WILL DEFER TO THE CHAIR HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
3:18:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE COULD HAVE THEM SPEAK AT PUBLIC
COMMENT OR -- EACH WORKSHOP HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC
COMMENT, CORRECT?
3:18:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
NORMALLY YOUR RULES STATE TWO THINGS THAT
ARE PERTINENT HERE.
ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY PERSON
PRESENT DURING THE WORKSHOP.
THAT'S GENERALLY YOUR RULE.
THE SECOND RULE IS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MATTER, WHICH
IS THE SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP, IS UP TO A TOTAL OF 30
MINUTES AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP AGENDA ITEM.
AND THE WAY THAT IS STRUCTURED, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
THE REASON YOU HAD DONE THAT IS BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY THAN,
EXTRAORDINARY WORKSHOPS, THEY WANT TO HEAR WHAT STAFF'S
POSITION IS OR THEY QUANTITY TO BE HEAR WHAT THE CITY'S
POSITION WAS BEFORE THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON
IT.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE
WORKSHOP SHALL BE TAKEN DURING OR AFTER WORKSHOP UNLESS THE
PUBLIC IS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT PRIOR TO FINAL
ACTION.
COUNCIL, IF THIS IS A VERY LENGTHY SUBJECT, THIS COULD THEN
BE -- AND YOU ARE CONSTRAINED BY TIME, YOU CAN SHORTEN
PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU CAN ASK THAT IT NOT BE REPETITIVE.
YOU CAN CALL UPON THOSE PEOPLE WHO YOU WISH TO HAVE IN THE
AUDIENCE, HOW WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.
THE CHAIR WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESIDE OVER THE
MEETING AND SET TIME LIMITS AS COUNCIL SEES FIT.
3:20:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS 30 MINUTES, WE
DON'T ALWAYS STICK BY THAT.
IF IT'S AN HOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AT 45 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, I
HAVE ALWAYS SEEN IT FLEXIBLE IN THE PAST.
3:20:15PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THE MAYOR IS
VERY INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT AND IS GOING TO PROBABLY BE
PRESENTING SOME IDEAS THROUGH HER STAFF.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU ALL OKAY THAT WHOEVER, WHATEVER
EXPERTS WE MATE WANT TO WEIGH IN, WE'LL JUST HAVE THEM LINE
UP WITH THE PUBLIC?
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS IF COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS TWO
PEOPLE HE WANTS AND THEN THE CHAMBER GETS LEFT OUT, WHOEVER
GETS LEFT OUT.
3:20:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THAT'S FINE WITHIN ME AS LONG AS EVERYBODY IS HEARD.
THAT'S ALL.
3:20:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS SET ASIDE TIME
THAT FROM 1:30 TO 3:30 TIME CERTAIN IS THE LAND USE WORKSHOP
OF THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
3:21:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THE SECOND THING I HAD WAS COUNCILMAN
DINGFELDER SUGGESTED A WORKSHOP OR DISCUSSION ON CRA
MANAGEMENT.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE DIDN'T SCHEDULE THAT.
CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND FIND A DATE FOR IT?
THE CRA MEETING.
3:21:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHICH OUR CRA MEETING IS GOING TO BE
NEXT THURSDAY.
BUT THEN IN JULY, IT WOULD BE JULY 25th.
3:21:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY.
SO WE HAVE TO BELABORING THAT DECISION.
OKAY.
ALSO, JUST TO THROW OUT ON THE TABLE, I HAVE GOTTEN E-MAILS
AND CALLS ABOUT SCOOTERS THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE LAST
MONTH.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY.
BUT I SUGGEST A MONTH FROM NOW OR TWO MONTHS FROM NOW THAT
WE GET THE FOUR COMPANIES TO COME IN AND JUST TELL US WHAT
THEY LEARNED AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO COMPLAINTS FROM THE
PUBLIC.
3:22:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NOW REMEMBER, THIS IS BEFORE THIS NEW
COUNCIL CAME IN, THERE IS A TERMINATION CLAUSE IN THE
CONTRACT.
AT THE END THERE IS AN OPTION.
3:22:11PM >>BILL CARLSON:
BUT WHAT I PREFER BEFORE WE GET TO THAT
POINT THAT WE GIVE FEEDBACK SO THEY CAN MODIFY WHAT THEY ARE
DOING.
IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO IT SOONER WE CAN.
I TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THEM, AND THEY SAID IT'S IN THEIR
BEST INTEREST TO TRY TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS, AND I THINK THEY
ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS.
BUT SINCE WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK IN THE HALLS ABOUT IT,
I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE.
3:22:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[OFF MICROPHONE] I THOUGHT THAT THEY
ALREADY HAD A PLAN, THAT THE SCOOTERS WOULD STOP BY
THEMSELVES.
3:23:00PM >>BILL CARLSON:
SO WHEN IT DIES ON THE RIVERWALK, THEY JUST
LEAVE THEM ON THE RIVERWALK, SO PEOPLE ARE MAD BECAUSE
THERE'S A PILE OF THEM ON THE RIVERWALK.
3:23:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MY FRIEND AND I CAME DOWN LAST SUNDAY
TO RIDE THEM, AND WHEN WE APPROACHED THE CASS STREET BRIDGE,
IT SAID YOU ARE APPROACHING, GOING OUTSIDE THE GEO PATH AND
IT SHUT DOWN.
SO GOING TO JULIAN LANE.
WHATEVER.
WE WERE GOING TO YBOR CITY.
HIS SCOOTER DIED.
THE THING IS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BATTERY IT HAS UNTIL
YOU PAY FOR IT AND ACTIVATE IT.
THEY CHARGE A DOLLAR TO TURN IT ON.
SO HIS SCOOTER DIED AND HE'S ROLLING DOWN FLORIDA AVENUE
PUSHING DOWN MANUALLY.
BUT I HAVE RECEIVED SOME E-MAILS, TOO, PEOPLE COMPLAINING
ESPECIALLY ON BAYSHORE.
AND THEN WITHIN YBOR CITY.
BUT WITH WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY, GOING OVER PLATFORMS AND
WHATNOT.
3:23:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I KNOW WE ARE ALL GIVING INDIVIDUAL
FEEDBACK, BUT TO THE POINT THAT YOU ALL THINK WE SHOULD HAVE
A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW THAT
WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.
BUT YOU ALL LET US KNOW.
3:24:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT, COME
BACK IN A FEW MONTHS?
3:24:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
3:24:13PM >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING SOONER
OR LATER?
3:24:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S FUNNY, IN MY LITTLE PILE OF MOTIONS,
NUMBER 3, SAYS LET'S BRING IT BACK JUNE 27th.
FOR STAFF REPORT.
AND IF WE CAN GET VENDORS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND I AM NOT TRYING TO KILL IT.
BUT I SAW IT COMING.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN IT IN OTHER CITIES.
BUT MY WIFE AND I WERE IN LOS ANGELES LAST YEAR, AND I SAW
THEM STREWN ACROSS THE SIDEWALKS.
AND I SAID, OH, BOY, THAT'S GOING TO COME TO TAMPA.
AND SURE ENOUGH, I SEE THEM STREWN ACROSS SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS, IS JUST STREWN ON THE
SIDEWALK.
AND I AM NOT SAYING IT'S THE VENDORS' FAULT PER SE BECAUSE
THE VENDOR DOESN'T WANT THEM STREWN ON THE SIDEWALKS.
BUT IF THE USERS ARE JUST GOING TO BE DO IT UNTIL IT STOPS,
AND INSTEAD OF AT LEAST POLITELY PUTTING IT ON THE SIDEWALK
OF THE SIDEWALK, THEY JUST THAN INSTRUMENT IT IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE SIDEWALK, THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT'S ONLY GOING
TO BECOME A BIGGER PROBLEM.
3:25:22PM >>BILL CARLSON:
IF THAT'S A MOTION I WILL SECOND IT.
I WON'T BE HERE THAT DAY BUT I WILL SECOND THE MOTION.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE
PAYING ATTENTION, AND WE ARE NOT AGAINST IT.
I THINK THE VENDORS ARE TRYING TO BE CORRECT THE PROBLEMS BE
BUT NEED TO TELL US THE SOLUTIONS.
3:25:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.
WOULD THAT BE JEAN DUNCAN?
3:25:46PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ALL RELEVANT STAFF.
3:25:48PM >>BILL CARLSON:
AND VENDORS.
3:25:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OPEN INVITATION TO --
3:25:57PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHOEVER THE VENDORS ARE TO JOIN US, AND
STAFF, JOIN US FOR SCOOTER DISCUSSION, AND CHARLIE, YOU
MENTIONED ABOUT THE LOCATION FOR THE BAYSHORE, ET CETERA.
THAT WOULD BE A TOPIC, AND ALSO THE SIDEWALK STRAWING WOULD
BE A TOPIC AND WHATEVER ELSE.
3:26:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE] ALL IN FAVOR?
OKAY.
3:26:20PM >>BILL CARLSON:
TWO MORE QUICK THINGS.
IN THE PAST COUNCIL HAS PASSED RESOLUTIONS REGARDING CUBA,
AND I BE KNOW MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN A PROPONENT
OF EASING RESTRICTIONS.
THE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST MADE COULD BE DEVASTATING FOE FOR
OUR AREA.
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT I BRING BACK A DRAFT RESOLUTION
NEXT WEEK.
IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY BENIGN JUST TO SAY THAT WE DISAGREE
WITH THE POLICY OF NOT ALLOWING AMERICAN CITIZENS TO TRAVEL
TO CUBA.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL ALL THE POLITICS OF IT.
BUT TO ME, THE TRAVEL INTERNATIONALLY IS NOT GUARANTEED BY
THE BILL OF RIGHTS, BUT TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF AMERICANS
TO HELP BUILD LIFE FOR OTHERS SEEMS TO BE WRONG.
3:27:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]
3:27:14PM >>BILL CARLSON:
OKAY, PLEASE.
THANK YOU.
3:27:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I SECOND IT.
WHAT IS IT, A RESOLUTION?
3:27:26PM >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.
3:27:27PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ARE YOU DRAFTING IT?
3:27:28PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IT WOULD BE A STATEMENT OF COUNCIL, AND IT
WOULD BE MAJORITY RULES.
3:27:36PM >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, IF I CAN TAKE 30
SECOND, THE AMBASSADOR FROM CUBA IS COMING IN A COUPLE OF
WEEKS, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF US, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IN
PARTICULAR, HAD SPENT LOTS OF TIMES TRYING TO BUILD
RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF BUILDING OPENING CUBA
UP, AND TO SOME EXTENT WE WERE CAUGHT FLAT FOOTED, AND
EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE U.S. RUSHED AHEAD OF US.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THIS GIVES US AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS TO
BE REBUILD OPPORTUNITY.
AND WE CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT IT LATER.
BUT AT THE VERY LEAST FINANCE WE COULD PASS TWO RESOLUTION
SAYING WE DISAGREE WITH THE POLICY OF NOT ALLOWING AMERICAN
CITIZENS TO GO TO CUBA, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD
EITHER SEND TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND/OR WE CAN GIVE
IT TO THE AMBASSADOR.
THERE HAVE BEEN SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS IN THE PAST.
3:28:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION --
3:28:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU VOTE, I WILL HELP
YOU WITH THE FORMATTING OF THAT RESOLUTION.
AND IF YOU CAN, AS A COURTESY TO YOUR COLLEAGUES, IF YOU
WOULD SEE THAT IT IS DISTRIBUTED PRIOR TO THAT NIGHT MEETING
SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
3:28:48PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT'S BEST IF YOU DISTRIBUTE IT TO THEM.
3:28:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES.
IF YOU PROVIDE ME THE DRAFT I WILL FORMAT IT AND I WILL SEE
THAT COUNCIL HAS IT DISTRIBUTED TO THEM IN ADVANCE OF THE
THURSDAY NIGHT MEETING.
3:28:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND BY
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:29:16PM >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE MORE THING.
3:29:17PM >> YOU ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES.
3:29:20PM >> TO EVERYBODY WATCHING ON TV, IF THEY ARE STILL WATCHING,
JUNE 12, 6:00 TO 8:00 P.M, THE MAYOR IS HOSTING THE MAYOR'S
FORUM ON THE ARTS, THE LOVE OF THE ARTS.
THERE WILL BE THE THREE PANELS PLUS PUBLIC INPUT ON THE
ARTS.
AND IT'S A FREE EVENT.
THE PUBLIC WOULD GO TO TAMPAARTSFORUM.COM.
THERE IS A LINK THAT WILL GIVE YOU A FREE TICKET, BUT YOU
HAVE TO REGISTER.
3:29:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYTHING ELSE?
3:29:54PM >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S IT.
3:29:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOTHING.
3:30:00PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND A PREVIOUS MOTION I MADE ON
MAY 16 2019, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
VANESSA McCLEARY, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND MONICA
MAINE, REAL ESTATE MANAGER ATTEND THE WORKSHOP ON JUNE 20,
2019, TO DISCUSS THE PLAN THE CITY HAS FOR LACK OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALSO AS RELATES TO DISTRICT 5.
3:30:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:30:29PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHAT WAS THE DATE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT,
SAME DATE?
I THOUGHT YOU SAID JUNE 20th.
3:30:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE WORKSHOP.
3:30:49PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT WAS A MOTION.
3:30:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKSHOP.
AND YOUR SAME DATE?
3:30:59PM >>BILL CARLSON:
I THINK I SECONDED THE ORIGINAL MOTION A FEW
WEEKS AGO.
BUT I WAS JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE AGENDA.
THAT WAS ALL.
3:31:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE
SAME DATE.
3:31:09PM >> IT'S THE SAME EVENT.
3:31:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
3:31:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR, A MOTION TO PRESENT A
COMMENDATION TO MR. JAMES WRIGHT FOR A DATE TO BE
DETERMINED, JUNE 20th, I SEE WE HAVE A FUTURE DATE FOR
ACCOMMODATIONS.
IT WILL BE QUICK.
3:31:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE GET A MOTION FOR THAT?
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
3:31:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE A
COMMENDATION TO JANELLA, A WEST TAMPA ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
STUDENT, WHO WAS GIVEN THE CASTORS CARE AWARD IN
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS FOR CARE AND CONCERN THAT SHE
SHOWS TO OTHERS.
SHE TAKES IT UPON HERSELF TO LOOK AT ANOTHER STUDENT WITH
MEDICAL NEEDS EVERY DAY WHEN SHE GETS OFF THE SCHOOL BUS.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENT THIS TO JANELLA ON THURSDAY, JUNE
20, 2019.
3:32:11PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE?
3:32:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I HAVE TWO QUICK ONES.
ON AUGUST 22ND, AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, I WOULD LIKE AN
UPDATE FROM PARKS AND REC STAFF, AND MR. MANISCALCO, YOU
SORT OF STARTED THIS, IN REGARD TO THE ANGUS GOSS POOL
ISSUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE PARKS AND REC IS IN TERMS OF
STUDYING IT, ESTIMATES, COST ESTIMATES, POSSIBLE BUDGET
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS YEAR.
3:32:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT COULD BE IN THE BUDGET WHICH THE
PRESENTATION COMES IN JULY.
EITHER WAY.
3:32:58PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF IT'S THERE, GREAT.
BUT AT A MINIMUM, IF WE WANT IT EARLIER WE COULD DO IT
EARLIER.
3:33:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S FINE.
THE MAYOR'S BUDGET PRESENTATION IS AUGUST 1st.
SO EITHER WAY.
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
3:33:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OH, AND ALSO, LET ME ADD ON TO WHAT WE
VOTED ON.
I MEANT TO INCLUDE THE LOPEZ POOL, BECAUSE -- (CELL PHONE
RINGS)
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AS WELL,
THE LOPEZ POOL?
3:33:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I BROUGHT UP BOTH, THE ONE ON SPRUCE
AND McCLELLAND PARK.
I KNOW ANGUS GOSS HAS THE COMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER.
BUT IT'S A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED AND ROBUST.
BUT MY DISCUSSION, WHEN I ASKED ON MY OWN, WAS FOR BOTH.
3:33:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AS LONG AS I HAVE THE MOTION PENDING AND
THE REPORT COMING, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION JUST MADE A MINUTE
AGO TO INCLUDE THE BALDOMERO LOPEZ POOL IN WEST TAMPA, ALSO
TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE 8-22 STAFF REPORT SO THAT WOULD BE A
SUPPLEMENT MOTION.
3:34:09PM >> SECOND.
3:34:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT AMENDMENT.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ANYTHING ELSE?
3:34:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.
SO YEARS AGO, WE PASSED WHAT WE CALLED THE GREEN ORDINANCE,
AND I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN TOUCHED EVER SINCE.
THE GREEN ORDINANCE ADDRESSES SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES, WHAT
THE CITY DOES INTERNALLY, WHAT SORT OF POTENTIAL INCENTIVES
WE OFFER TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE MORE, QUOTE, GREEN,
ET CETERA.
I WOULD LIKE A REPORT, STAFF REPORT ON THAT ISSUE, SEPTEMBER
19th.
THAT GIVES THEM PLENTY OF TIME.
I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE MAYOR HAS SPOKEN ABOUT,
SUSTAINABILITY.
THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND THE NATION
HONOR HAVE EXTREMELY ACTIVE THAN PROGRAMS, SUSTAINABILITY
PROGRAMS, SUSTAINABILITY OFFICERS, AND WE HAVE A
SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER WHO HAS MANY, MANY OTHER HATS TO
WEAR, YOU KNOW.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER WHO ONLY
DOES THAT 24/7.
AT LEAST 40 HOURS A WEEK.
SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, MY MOTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A STAFF
REPORT ON THE GREEN BUILDING ORDINANCE ON SUSTAINABILITY TO
ADDRESS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SINCE THE GREEN ORDINANCE WAS
ORIGINALLY ENACTED, AND WHERE WE ARE HEADED TO MAKE OUR
COMMUNITY EVEN MORE GREEN IN THE YEARS TO COME.
3:35:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER,
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
3:35:47PM >> 9-19.
IS THAT A GOOD DAY?
3:35:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.
WIDE OPEN.
3:35:53PM >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I JUST SAY I TALKED TO THOM SNELLING
ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AND HE SAID THE
MAYOR IS LOOKING TO TAKE THIS SUSTAINABILITY PLAN TO THE
NEXT LEVEL, AND MAYBE HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION, BUT DO YOU
THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT TIME FOR THEM TO PUT IT TOGETHER?
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS THAT SHE HAS.
3:36:15PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I DID NOT HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
3:36:19PM >>BILL CARLSON:
HE SHOWED ME WHAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN AND
UPDATED THE NUMBERS BUT SAYS SHE'S LOOKED AT IT AND SHE'S
GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
SO WE CAN ALWAYS MODIFY IT.
LEAVE IT ON THIS DATE AND MODIFY IT IF THEY NEED MORE TIME.
I THINK THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES
THAT YOU RAISE.
3:36:37PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
GOOD.
3:36:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
ALL IN FAVOR?
AND REAL QUICK, I WANT TO SAY, I KNOW OUR MEETINGS ARE GOING
LONGER THAN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO BECAUSE A DIFFERENT
COUNCIL.
BUT I FEEL REALLY GOOD WITH THIS NEW BOND, WE ARE GETTING A
LOT DONE.
BECAUSE THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT
UP.
SO I'M EXCITED.
THAT'S IT.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
3:37:00PM >>THE CLERK:
TWO MOTIONS THERE, CHAIR.
3:37:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION TO BE
PRESENTED AND A DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO --
3:37:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
ALL RIGHT.
3:37:24PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND IS A MOTION FROM MR. VIERA TO
PLACE THE BUSCH BOULEVARD WORKSHOP ON AUGUST NIGHT AGENDA AS
MANY WORKING PEOPLE ARE PLANNING TO ATTEND.
3:37:33PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
3:37:39PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
OH, I'M SORRY.
3:37:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL IN FAVOR?
CAN I GET A MOTION?
3:37:49PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
3:37:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
SECOND FROM DINGFELDER.
ALL IN FAVOR?
WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
(MEETING ADJOURNED)
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