TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, AUGUST 29, 2019
5:01 P.M. MEETING
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04:44:06
05:03:58 >>LUIS VIERA: DO THE ROLL CALL.
05:04:02 >> DINGFELDER?
05:04:04 GUDES.
05:04:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
05:04:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:04:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
05:04:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:04:12 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:04:12 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:04:24 SAL, BEFORE WE GET YOU HERE, THE FOLKS GETTING A
05:04:26 COMMENDATION NEED TO BE OUT BY 5:30.
05:04:28 SAL HERE HAS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
05:04:31 TO VOTE ON.
05:04:32 IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR, WAITING TEN MINUTES.
05:04:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
05:04:37 LADIES, CAN I PLEASE HAVE YOU FRONT AND CENTER?
05:04:40 MR. CHAIR AND COUNCILMEN, CAN YOU PLEASE BEAR WITH ME ON
05:04:59 THIS?
05:05:03 WHERE IS TEGAN AT?
05:05:04 AND JULIA?
05:05:06 BEAR WITH ME NOW.
05:05:08 BEAR WITH ME.
05:05:10 LINDSEY?
05:05:12 >> WHICH ONE?
05:05:13 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:05:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DELGADO.
05:05:18 AND YOUR FATHER IS VERY BUSY TODAY, ISN'T HE?
05:05:22 CASSIDY.
05:05:27 EMILY.
05:05:31 YOU SCORED THE WINNING RUN?
05:05:34 >> YEAH.
05:05:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
05:05:35 YOU'LL BE UP NEXT.
05:05:37 LILY.
05:05:38 WHERE IS LILY AT?
05:05:39 BEAR WITH ME, LADIES.
05:05:43 THE OTHER LINDSEY.
05:05:45 OLIVIA.
05:05:53 AVERY.
05:06:00 JOSCELYN.
05:06:01 LAUREN.
05:06:03 NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO LEFT, SO I HOPE WE GOT YOU ALL HERE.
05:06:09 MADISON.
05:06:11 AND SIDNEY.
05:06:18 SIDNEY, I'LL KEEP YOURS FOR A SECOND.
05:06:22 ALL RIGHT, COACHES, YOU HAVE TO SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT.
05:06:26 IT'S THE LADIES' DAY HERE NOW.
05:06:29 MR. CHAIR AND COUNCILMAN, I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE TO
05:06:34 YOU THE 2019 SOFTBALL JUNIOR LEAGUE WORLD SERIES
05:06:42 CHAMPIONS, THE SOUTH TAMPA ALL STARS.
05:06:45 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:06:46 THESE LADIES HAVE MADE NOT ONLY ALL OF TAMPA PROUD, BUT
05:07:00 SOUTH TAMPA PROUD ALSO.
05:07:02 I CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS.
05:07:05 IF I MAY READ THROUGH THIS REAL QUICKLY.
05:07:08 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL CONGRATULATES ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR
05:07:11 OUTSTANDING PARTICIPATION IN THE SOUTH TAMPA ALL STARS
05:07:15 AND TO YOUR CONTRIBUTION THAT LED THEM TO THE WORLD
05:07:17 SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES IN
05:07:21 KIRKLAND, WASHINGTON.
05:07:23 WE ARE PROUD TO HONOR ALL OF YOU AND YOUR TEAMMATES, YOUR
05:07:29 MANAGERS, FOR THEIR DEDICATION, PERSEVERANCE, DRIVE,
05:07:33 OUTSTANDING COMMITMENT TO THE GAME OF SOFTBALL.
05:07:37 LADIES, AGAIN, YOU HAVE MADE US PROUD.
05:07:42 THANK YOU.
05:07:42 NOW, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU
05:07:49 SAW THIS ON ALL THE SPORTS CHANNELS AND EVERYTHING, BUT
05:07:53 THIS YOUNG LADY SCORED THE WINNING RUN.
05:07:56 YOU WERE DOWN BY FIVE POINTS, AND YOU GUYS RALLIED IN THE
05:08:04 7th?
05:08:04 AND SCORED ALL THE RUNS TO TIE.
05:08:09 AND THIS YOUNG LADY SCORED.
05:08:11 WHAT I NEED FOR YOU TO DO FOR ME IS DO THE IMPERSONATION
05:08:17 OF YOUR COACH WHO WAS AT THIRD WAVING YOU ON.
05:08:21 PLEASE DO THAT IMPERSONATION.
05:08:24 >> RIGHT NOW?
05:08:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: RIGHT NOW.
05:08:30 >> I'LL GO HERE.
05:08:31 OKAY.
05:08:34 SO I'M GOING HOME, AT FIRST HE'S LIKE ...
05:08:38 [ LAUGHTER ]
05:08:38 AND THEN HE'S JUST JUMPING.
05:08:47 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:08:48 THANK YOU.
05:08:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES.
05:08:51 I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR MAKING TAMPA PROUD.
05:08:55 >> THANK YOU.
05:08:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW IT'S COACH'S TIME.
05:08:58 MR. CHADWICK.
05:09:00 COACH CHADWICK.
05:09:01 COACH MEZRA.
05:09:07 COACH, PLEASE, IT'S YOUR TURN.
05:09:17 HEAD COACH.
05:09:18 >> MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET.
05:09:20 FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR OUR RECOGNITION.
05:09:23 THESE GIRLS REALLY PUT IN THE HARD WORK AND THE TIME AND
05:09:26 THE DEDICATION IT TOOK TO DO WHAT WE DID.
05:09:30 THE HOURS OF PRACTICE IN GAMES AND TRAVELING WAS -- IT
05:09:35 KIND OF TOOK A TOLL ON US IN THE FIRST TWO GAMES WE GOT
05:09:38 TO WASHINGTON, I THINK.
05:09:40 WE DID LOSE THE FIRST TWO GAMES.
05:09:42 I DIDN'T EVEN SWEAT IT, BECAUSE WE END UP WINNING THE
05:09:47 NEXT FIVE AND WINNING THE WORLD SERIES.
05:09:49 THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF THE RECOGNITION.
05:09:53 THESE GIRLS DESERVE IT.
05:09:54 APPRECIATE IT.
05:09:55 THANK YOU.
05:09:57 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:09:57 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:09:58 BEFORE WE GO, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAD A QUESTION.
05:10:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE QUESTION, HOW MANY RUNS WERE YOU
05:10:08 IN THE BOTTOM OF THE INNING THAT YOU HAD TO RUN?
05:10:10 >> FOUR.
05:10:10 >> WELL, IT WENT LIKE THIS, THEY SCORED ONE RUN IN THE
05:10:16 SECOND, ONE RUN IN THE THIRD, AND THEN THREE IN THE
05:10:21 FOURTH.
05:10:22 SO WE WERE ACTUALLY DOWN 5-0 AT THE TIME.
05:10:26 WE ANSWERED -- AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOURTH, WE ANSWERED
05:10:29 WITH THREE RUNS, SO THEN THE FIFTH, SIXTH INNING THEY
05:10:34 SCORED ANOTHER ONE.
05:10:35 SO IT WAS 6-3.
05:10:36 THEN WE END UP SCORING 4 TOTAL.
05:10:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ODDS OF THAT IN BASEBALL, TO SCORE
05:10:42 FOUR RUNS IN THE BOTTOM IS ABOUT A THOUSAND TO ONE.
05:10:45 WHAT WAS A BUNT SINGLE?
05:10:56 >> IF I HAD BEEN COACHING, SHE WOULD HAVE FOULED OUT.
05:11:00 >> YEAH, WE MIGHT NOT BE STANDING HERE.
05:11:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CONGRATULATIONS ALL OF YOU.
05:11:05 >> AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU AS WELL.
05:11:07 AT OUR LITTLE LEAGUES, WE KNOW THE CITY OF TAMPA,
05:11:10 ESPECIALLY THE TAMPA LITTLE LEAGUE, THE CITY GIVES YOU A
05:11:13 LOT OF SUPPORT WITH -- GIVE US A LOT OF SUPPORT WITH
05:11:15 RESPECT TO THE FIELDS AND COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE CITY
05:11:19 AS WELL AND YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS.
05:11:20 THANK YOU FOR THAT.
05:11:21 I WANT TO THANK THESE GIRLS.
05:11:22 IF IT WASN'T FOR THEM, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE.
05:11:25 SO THANK YOU.
05:11:26 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:11:31 >> I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF TAMPA.
05:11:37 EMILY IS ACTUALLY A FIFTH GENERATION SOUTH TAMPA.
05:11:40 I'M VERY PROUD OF HER.
05:11:42 I LOVE ALL THE GIRLS.
05:11:43 IT'S LIKE A FAMILY.
05:11:44 WE HAVE LIKE A CLOSE FAMILY HERE.
05:11:46 I HAVE A COUPLE STORIES, THE RV STORY WAS ALWAYS ON ESPN.
05:11:52 EVERYBODY KEPT TALKING ABOUT HOW WE HAD TO GO TO
05:11:55 SALISBURY, NORTH CAROLINA, TO PLAY REGIONALS.
05:11:57 I RENTED AN RV FOR THE GIRLS SO WE'D HAVE FUN.
05:12:00 THE AIR WENT OUT, AS SOON AS WE GOT IN THE RV.
05:12:04 IT WAS A HUNDRED DEGREES ALL THE WAY UP AND THEY WERE
05:12:07 YELLING AT ME THE WHOLE WAY.
05:12:08 BUT IT WAS FUN.
05:12:09 I TOLD THEM I WAS TRYING TO GET THEM IN SHAPE FOR THE
05:12:12 HEAT.
05:12:12 SO IT ACTUALLY WORKED.
05:12:15 LITTLE PROBLEMS.
05:12:18 WHAT A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH MY DAUGHTER AND THESE GIRLS.
05:12:23 IT WAS JUST WONDERFUL.
05:12:24 THEY'LL NEVER FORGET IT EVER.
05:12:25 I HOPE NOT.
05:12:26 BUT WE CAN DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR, TOO.
05:12:29 I'LL BE BACK.
05:12:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LADIES, THERE ARE OTHER IMPORTANT PEOPLE
05:12:36 THAT MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD RECOGNIZE, LIKE PARENTS THAT
05:12:38 MAY BE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.
05:12:40 PARENTS TAKING PICTURES.
05:12:42 STAND UP.
05:12:46 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:12:47 COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?
05:12:54 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
05:13:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOU STOLE MY
05:13:06 THUNDER.
05:13:07 I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO THE PARENTS.
05:13:09 BECAUSE I KNOW FROM THE AGE OF FOUR OR FIVE, YOU'VE BEEN
05:13:11 DRAGGING THEM TO THE FIELDS AND TEACHING THEM ALONG THE
05:13:15 WAY AND SPORTSMANSHIP AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S
05:13:17 IMPORTANT.
05:13:18 AS SOMEBODY BORN AND RAISED IN SOUTH TAMPA, I COULDN'T BE
05:13:24 MORE PROUD OF YOU.
05:13:25 THANK YOU.
05:13:25 CONGRATULATIONS.
05:13:27 >> THANK YOU.
05:13:28 >> THANK YOU.
05:13:28 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:13:30 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
05:13:32 WHOEVER WAS FIRST.
05:13:34 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO DO SAY THANK YOU AND
05:13:37 CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.
05:13:39 WITH THIS KIND OF SPIRIT AND TEAMWORK AND HARD WORK, I
05:13:42 HOPE THAT WHEN YOU ALL GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE YOU'LL COME
05:13:46 BACK TO TAMPA AND MAKE TAMPA EVEN BETTER THAN IT IS NOW.
05:13:48 WE NEED MORE SMART, AGGRESSIVE, SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE LIKE
05:13:53 YOU.
05:13:54 THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
05:13:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LADIES, IT IS A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT TO
05:13:57 BE A WORLD CHAMPION.
05:14:00 I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE MY DISTRICT, BELMONT HEIGHTS
05:14:04 LITTLE LEAGUE HAS BEEN A PINNACLE OF TAMPA FOR MANY, MANY
05:14:08 DEBATING.
05:14:09 NOW YOU'RE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS.
05:14:12 MYSELF COACHING YOUTH FOOTBALL FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, I
05:14:15 KNOW WHAT IT IS TO BE A COACH.
05:14:17 IT TAKES A LOT TO BE A COACH, TO ENDURE DURING THE
05:14:21 PRACTICE WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO PRACTICE.
05:14:23 SO I UNDERSTAND.
05:14:24 IT'S GREAT THAT THE LEADERSHIP YOU'VE GIVEN THESE YOUNG
05:14:28 LADIES AND ESPECIALLY MR. MIRANDA, WHO IS THE BASEBALL
05:14:30 GURU OF TAMPA, TO COME BACK AND TO WIN IS THE BEST
05:14:35 FEELING IN THE WORLD.
05:14:36 YOU'LL NEVER, EVER FORGET WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
05:14:41 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL.
05:14:44 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT, CHARLIE MIRANDA.
05:14:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:14:48 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO IN LIFE, BUT
05:14:50 WHEN YOU GO BACK, WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHED MORE THAN LIKELY
05:14:55 WILL BE THE THING THAT YOU'LL THINK ABOUT THE REST OF
05:14:57 YOUR LIFE.
05:14:57 BECAUSE I HAD A CHANCE ONCE TO WIN, BUT I'M THE GUY WHO
05:15:02 GAVE UP THE HOME RUN TO THE CUBANS.
05:15:06 OF ALL THE THINGS I'VE EVER DONE, INCLUDING SERVING HERE,
05:15:09 THE GREATEST THING I REMEMBER IN MY LIFE WAS GOING TO
05:15:11 CUBA TO PLAY BALL.
05:15:13 AND THE CAMARADERIE WITH THE GUYS THAT I PLAYED WITH IS
05:15:16 STILL THERE.
05:15:17 WE STILL MEET.
05:15:18 I REMEMBER THE COACH TELLING ME ONE THING.
05:15:21 YOU CAN MAKE AN ERROR.
05:15:23 YOU CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE.
05:15:25 YOU FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
05:15:26 IT TOOK ME ABOUT 30 YEARS TO FIGURE IT OUT.
05:15:30 BUT THOSE WORDS STAYED WITH ME FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
05:15:33 I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU, THE COACHING STAFF, THE
05:15:35 PARENTS AND ALL THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED TO MAKE YOU WHO
05:15:37 YOU ARE, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
05:15:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:15:42 YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS GREAT HONOR.
05:15:45 I PLAYED LITTLE LEAGUE WHEN I WAS A KID AT THE TEMPLE
05:15:47 TERRACE LITTLE LEAGUE.
05:15:49 THEY WERE, TO QUOTE BRIAN ADAMS, "THE BEST DAYS OF MY
05:15:54 LIFE."
05:15:54 REALLY, REALLY GOOD TIMES.
05:15:54 I GREW UP ON BASEBALL.
05:15:56 IT SOUNDS LIKE THE KIND OF LAST-MINUTE PLAY THAT HAPPENED
05:15:59 WAS KIND OF A KIRK GIBSON 1988 WORLD SERIES TYPE THING.
05:16:03 THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
05:16:04 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU
05:16:07 GUYS CONTINUE TO GROW IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
05:16:10 THANK YOU.
05:16:14 [ APPLAUSE ]
05:16:14 SAL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, SIR.
05:16:50 >>SAL TERRITO: SAL TERRITO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
05:16:53 AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HURRICANE THAT MAY BE HEADING OUR
05:16:54 WAY.
05:16:55 WE ALSO HAVE A BUDGET HEARING THAT WE KNOW IS HEADING OUR
05:16:57 WAY ON THE 3rd.
05:16:59 WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE PREPARED A RESOLUTION THAT I'M
05:17:02 ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IF WE DO HAVE, IS FOR SOME
05:17:06 REASON, WE CAN'T HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 3rd, WE HAVE
05:17:08 SOME ALTERNATE DATES THAT WE WOULD USE.
05:17:11 THE THIRD HEARING WOULD THEN BE HELD ON THE 11th, AND
05:17:15 THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN THAT THE ONE FOR THE 17th WOULD BE
05:17:18 MOVED TO THE 24th BECAUSE OF TIMING ISSUES.
05:17:21 PART OF THE ISSUES ARE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN TIME
05:17:24 TO ADVERTISE.
05:17:25 YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN TIME BEFORE YOU HAVE THE
05:17:28 HEARING, BETWEEN HEARINGS AND ALL THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE
05:17:30 COMING UP.
05:17:31 WHAT I TRIED TO DO WAS PUT A RESOLUTION TOGETHER IN THE
05:17:35 CASE YOU HAVE TO POSTPONE -- SHOULDN'T SAY POSTPONE, HAVE
05:17:39 TO CANCEL YOUR SEPTEMBER 3rd HEARING, THERE WOULD BE A
05:17:42 NEW SCHEDULE COMING UP FOR HEARINGS.
05:17:44 I ALSO PUT IN THERE IF FOR SOME REASON IT DOES NOT
05:17:47 HAPPEN, THIS BECOMES VOID.
05:17:48 THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE RESOLUTION, IF ANYBODY
05:17:50 HAS QUESTIONS.
05:17:51 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
05:17:53 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
05:17:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT A QUESTION.
05:17:56 THANKS FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER SO QUICKLY, SAL.
05:17:58 JUST MORE TO MR. BENNETT AND STAFF, AND MAYBE THIS GOES
05:18:07 WITHOUT SAYING, BUT TO MAKE SURE THE CTV, JOHN, THAT THE
05:18:12 CTV COVERS THIS AND SCROLLS THESE CHANGES, SO IF WE DO
05:18:18 CHANGE, THAT EVERYBODY GETS THE WORD OUT AS BEST AS
05:18:20 POSSIBLE ON CHANNEL 15.
05:18:24 >>SAL TERRITO: IT WILL BE READVERTISED AS WELL.
05:18:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW WE'LL HAVE FORMAL ADVERTISING.
05:18:28 A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT COME
05:18:30 DOWN ARE THE ONES ALSO WATCHING CTV.
05:18:33 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
05:18:34 ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
05:18:36 BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MOVED
05:18:40 FOR THIS.
05:18:41 IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO
05:18:44 COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?
05:18:44 COUNCILMAN CITRO, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE JUST FOR
05:18:50 PURPOSES OF CALENDARING, SEPTEMBER 11th AND 24th, ARE
05:18:54 THOSE GOOD ON YOUR CALENDAR?
05:18:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL MAKE THEM WORK.
05:18:58 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND
05:19:01 A SECOND BY WHOM?
05:19:02 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
05:19:04 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:19:05 ANY OPPOSED?
05:19:07 OKAY.
05:19:07 THANK YOU.
05:19:08 >>SAL TERRITO: THANK YOU.
05:19:10 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SAL.
05:19:12 NEXT WE MOVE FORWARD TO OUR WORKSHOP.
05:19:17 WHO FROM THE CITY IS HERE FOR THIS?
05:19:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO OPEN THE WORKSHOP.
05:19:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
05:19:22 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE GET IN, I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF
05:19:24 PEOPLE WATCHING THIS.
05:19:25 I KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER, IF I MAY, SOME OF THE BASIC
05:19:32 PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
05:19:34 WE GOT A LOT OF E-MAILS ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED
05:19:36 TODAY.
05:19:36 THE PERIMETERS, HERE THE CITY IS REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL
05:19:38 APPROVE A $300 MILLION LINE ITEM IN AN OVERALL WATER AND
05:19:42 WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN BUDGET CALLED PIPES TO DEVELOP AN
05:19:45 ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY.
05:19:47 THIS REQUIRES $300 MILLION BE ALLOCATED FOR THAT PURPOSE.
05:19:50 THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING FOUR OPTIONS FOR CITY COUNCIL
05:19:53 AND THE PUBLIC TO CONSIDER AT A WORKSHOP TODAY AT 5:01.
05:19:56 THIS IS ONLY A WORKSHOP TO INTRODUCE THE ITEMS.
05:20:00 NO VOTE WILL OCCUR TONIGHT ON THIS MATTER.
05:20:03 AND THE FOUR OPTIONS ARE, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, PURCHASING
05:20:05 WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, DEVELOPING AN INDIRECT
05:20:09 POTABLE WATER SYSTEM, DEVELOPING DIRECT POTABLE WATER
05:20:13 SYSTEM AND THEN EXPANDING THE PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM.
05:20:16 JUST FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE WATCHING IN TERMS OF, I
05:20:18 GUESS IF YOU WILL, THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
05:20:21 HERE TONIGHT.
05:20:22 GO AHEAD, SIR.
05:20:24 >> JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, CAN THERE BE A VOTE ON
05:20:27 THE MOTION TO OPEN?
05:20:28 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
05:20:29 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY
05:20:32 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
05:20:34 ANY IN FAVOR?
05:20:35 ANY OPPOSED?
05:20:36 MR. CREW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
05:20:40 >> GOOD EVENING.
05:20:42 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, CITY OF TAMPA.
05:20:45 I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET A FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT THE
05:20:48 STAFF IS GOING TO DELIVER TONIGHT.
05:20:50 AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, THEY'LL BRING IN FOUR OPTIONS.
05:20:53 AS WE KNOW AND AS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ENCOURAGED IN
05:20:58 STAFF'S PRESENTATION IN SUPPORT OF OUR COLLEGIALITY THAT
05:21:01 WE'VE BEEN USING, IS THAT THERE'S ALSO A FIFTH OPTION,
05:21:05 WHICH IS DO NOTHING.
05:21:07 AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FRAME OUT THAT THERE
05:21:09 ARE FOUR OPTIONS AND THERE IS THE RISK OF A DO-NOTHING
05:21:12 OPTION.
05:21:13 I SAY THAT BECAUSE IF I HAD TO WALK IN AND I'VE BEEN
05:21:16 DOING THE GREAT AMERICAN TEACH-IN FOR 25 YEARS, AND IF I
05:21:19 WALKED INTO A CLASSROOM OF MIDDLE SCHOOLERS OR HIGH
05:21:21 SCHOOLS AND I HAD TO EXPLAIN HOW BIG THIS PROJECT IS AND
05:21:25 HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY AND THE
05:21:27 REGION, I WOULD ALSO LOOK TO FRAME THIS IN SOME DECISION
05:21:31 SUPPORT MODEL.
05:21:33 AND WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN I'VE BEEN LOOKING OVER THE
05:21:36 PRESENTATION AS YOU HAVE, EVEN THOUGH I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE
05:21:38 LESS THAN TEN DAYS, TRYING TO DIGEST EVERYTHING THAT'S
05:21:40 BEEN GOING ON TO LEAD UP TO THIS PROJECT AND THIS
05:21:44 PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I COME DOWN TO THREE VERY CRITICAL
05:21:46 THINGS IN WHAT GOVERNMENT DOES.
05:21:48 GOVERNMENT IS PRIDEFUL IN BRINGING WATER AND TAKING IT
05:21:52 AWAY.
05:21:53 THEY ARE PRIDEFUL IN BRINGING PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE TO
05:21:56 THE COMMUNITY AND ALL THE OTHER CORE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS
05:21:58 THAT WE REQUIRE TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY THRIVING.
05:22:00 WATER IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY CRITICAL RESOURCE TO OUR
05:22:04 FUTURE.
05:22:05 BUT WHEN I GET IN THAT CLASSROOM, THE THINGS THAT COME TO
05:22:08 MIND IS WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST ME OVER TIME, AS AN
05:22:13 INDIVIDUAL, AS A SYSTEM, AS AN ECONOMY?
05:22:15 WHAT IS THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THAT TO ME, OTHERS, AND THE
05:22:19 COMMUNITY AND THE REGION AND THE ENVIRONMENT?
05:22:20 AND THEN LASTLY, IS IT GOING TO TASTE AND HAVE THE SAME
05:22:25 SAFETY AND LEVEL OF QUALITY?
05:22:27 I THINK AS THEY GO THROUGH THE FOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT,
05:22:29 INCLUDING THE FIFTH OPTION OF DOING NOTHING, THAT'S THE
05:22:31 FRAMEWORK I TENDED TO LOOK AT IT WITH.
05:22:34 I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE AS THE FOLKS GO
05:22:37 THROUGH THEIR PRESENTATION.
05:22:38 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:22:41 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, LIKE CHAIRMAN
05:22:44 VIERA SAID, TO SEPARATE THE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK FROM THE
05:22:47 DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
05:22:49 THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THESE FOUR
05:22:51 OPTIONS.
05:22:52 BY THE WAY, WHEN I SUGGESTED THE FOUR OPTIONS, I ALSO
05:22:54 SUGGESTED TWO MORE.
05:22:55 I ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE WERE SIX.
05:22:57 I KNOW THERE MAY BE HUNDREDS OF ITERATIONS OF THOSE.
05:23:01 AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER TWO.
05:23:02 BUT I THINK THE DO-NOTHING OPTION IS THE PREFERRED OPTION
05:23:05 BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE -- AND MAYBE YOU
05:23:09 WERE TALKING ABOUT NEXT WEEK WHEN YOU SAID DO NOTHING.
05:23:11 BUT THE DO-NOTHING OPTION IS THE PREFERRED OPTION IN MY
05:23:14 MIND BECAUSE THERE'S NOT -- WHEN I'VE TALKED TO OTHER
05:23:19 WEATHER SCIENTISTS OUTSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA, THERE'S NOT
05:23:22 AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR THIS PROJECT.
05:23:24 THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEED FOR NEW WATER SOURCES.
05:23:26 WE'RE AT LEAST 10 TO 15 YEARS AWAY FROM NEEDING NEW
05:23:30 SOURCES.
05:23:31 I'VE ASKED IN WRITING FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT TO ANSWER
05:23:34 MY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO ME BY WATER
05:23:36 ENGINEERS OUTSIDE THE CITY.
05:23:38 THEY DID NOT RESPOND TO ME IN WRITING.
05:23:41 THEY TRIED TO RESPOND TO ME ON MONDAY VERBALLY AND
05:23:45 DISMISSED THE QUESTION.
05:23:46 THE UNDERLYING QUESTION HERE IS, DO WE NEED THIS?
05:23:49 YES, WE WILL NEED THIS EVENTUALLY.
05:23:50 WE'LL NEED IT IN 15, 20 YEARS OR SOME OTHER SOURCE IN 15,
05:23:55 20 YEARS.
05:23:56 BUT THERE ARE REAL SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER IT'S
05:23:59 FISCALLY PRUDENT TO PUSH THIS RIGHT NOW.
05:24:01 AS I SAID TO YOU AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT, THERE WAS A
05:24:04 BIG PUSH FOR THIS IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, AND THE NEW
05:24:07 ADMINISTRATION WE INHERITED THIS, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO
05:24:11 BE -- WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY, WHICH I
05:24:18 APPRECIATE YOUR DOING AND THE MAYOR HAS AGREED TO DO, BUT
05:24:20 THE WAY THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS ACTED -- AND I'VE SAID
05:24:23 THIS TO THEM PRIVATELY ALSO -- IS SUSPECT.
05:24:25 PUSHING HARD -- AND PROBABLY THEY DID THIS UNDER THE
05:24:30 DIRECTION OF THE LAST MAYOR, BUT PUSHING HARD TO GET
05:24:33 LEGISLATION IN TALLAHASSEE TO CHANGE THIS, TO BULLY THE
05:24:35 REGIONAL -- THE OTHER REGIONAL MEMBERS OF THE WATER
05:24:37 AUTHORITY, PUSHING LITIGATION TO ASK FOR, IN ESSENCE,
05:24:44 OPINION SHOP ON THESE THINGS.
05:24:46 WHEN WE ASKED TO SET THE HEARING FOR NEXT THURSDAY -- I'M
05:24:49 NOT PICKING ON YOU, BY THE WAY.
05:24:51 >> NO, I UNDERSTAND.
05:24:51 >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WE ASKED FOR THE -- I MADE THE
05:24:54 MOTION TO PUT, PER THE REQUEST, TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA
05:24:57 FOR SEPTEMBER 5th.
05:24:59 AND MR. DINGFELDER WAS ASKING ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD
05:25:03 DISCUSS TAP.
05:25:04 I ASKED THE WATER DEPARTMENT, CAN WE DELAY THAT UNTIL
05:25:07 AFTER SEPTEMBER 5th.
05:25:08 CAN WE DELAY ALL DISCUSSION ABOUT TAP UNTIL AFTER
05:25:11 SEPTEMBER 5th.
05:25:12 I WENT ON VACATION A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER AND THEY TRIED
05:25:15 TO SLIDE THROUGH $670,000 TO SELL TAP AS THE PREFERRED
05:25:19 ALTERNATIVE.
05:25:20 ALL ALONG, I WAS ASKING THEM, IF THAT IS YOUR PREFERRED
05:25:22 ALTERNATIVE, SHOW ME YOUR RESULTS.
05:25:24 SHOW ME THE ANALYSIS.
05:25:25 THEY FINALLY ADMITTED THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ANALYSIS AND
05:25:27 THIS WEEK THEY SAID THEY HAD THE ANALYSIS ALL ALONG AND
05:25:30 DIDN'T GIVE IT TO US.
05:25:31 THE POINT IS, THEY ARE NOT ACTING IN GOOD FAITH.
05:25:34 I DON'T TRUST THE RESULTS THEY HAVE GIVEN.
05:25:35 I LOOKED AT THIS FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
05:25:37 IT IS NO DING ON THE MAYOR BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS
05:25:40 INHERITED THE SITUATION.
05:25:41 BUT WE NEED TO HAVE OBJECTIVITY IN THIS.
05:25:46 IF EVERY WATER SCIENTIST I TALK TO SAYS THEIR NUMBERS ARE
05:25:51 WRONG, WHY SHOULD WE INVEST THE PUBLIC'S MONEY, 10 TO
05:25:54 $15 MILLION A YEAR FOR A PROJECT WE DON'T NEED?
05:25:56 THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND IT.
05:25:58 I'LL LISTEN TONIGHT AND ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS.
05:26:00 BESIDES THE HEALTH ISSUES AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES -- BY
05:26:03 THE WAY, EVERY TIME WE COUNTER AN ISSUE, THEY COME UP
05:26:05 WITH A NEW EXCUSE.
05:26:06 THE NEW ONE IS SALTWATER INTRUSION WHICH JUST CAME UP IN
05:26:09 THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
05:26:11 THEY PUT IT TWICE AND DELETED IT ONCE TODAY.
05:26:13 BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONSTANT JUSTIFICATION IN SELLING
05:26:17 OF THIS PROJECT.
05:26:18 WE NEED OBJECTIVITY BECAUSE BESIDES THOSE OTHER ISSUES,
05:26:23 THERE IS A MONEY ISSUE.
05:26:24 WHY SHOULD WE SPENT TAXPAYER MONEY?
05:26:26 MY REP BEHIND THE CALCULATION, OF THE $40 INCREASE, THE
05:26:30 TAXPAYERS -- OR RATEPAYERS WILL BE PAYING FIVE DOLLARS A
05:26:32 MONTH JUST FOR THIS.
05:26:34 WHY SHOULD -- THEY CAN'T AFFORD $40.
05:26:37 MAYBE $35 WOULD BE BETTER, BUT WHY SHOULD WE PUSH
05:26:40 SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T NEED FOR FIVE OR TEN YEARS?
05:26:42 IT TAKES FOUR YEARS TO BUILD A PROJECT FROM START TO
05:26:45 COMPLETION, AND WE DON'T NEED THIS NOW.
05:26:47 I WILL FOLLOW UP MORE LATER.
05:26:49 AGAIN, I DIDN'T MEAN TO UNLOAD ON YOU.
05:26:52 THE OPTION TO DO NOTHING IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST OPTION.
05:26:55 WHEN WE GET OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS FROM A THIRD PARTY I THINK
05:26:58 WILL PROVE THAT.
05:27:00 >> JOHN BENNETT: I LEARNED A LESSON.
05:27:04 I WENT ON VACATION ONCE AND THEY TRANSFERRED ME IN THE
05:27:09 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
05:27:10 WE'RE HERE TO BE TRANSPARENT, DO THE WORKSHOP, AND MAKE
05:27:12 SURE WE GIVE AS MUCH DATA DRIVERS AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE AN
05:27:15 INFORMED DECISION.
05:27:16 THANK YOU.
05:27:18 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
05:27:19 ANYONE ELSE?
05:27:20 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:27:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT
05:27:24 LATER ON.
05:27:26 I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL MEMORANDUM -- OF THE MEETING HELD ON
05:27:33 JUNE 17, 2019, THE MINUTES FOR THE TAMPA BAY WATER, I
05:27:36 THINK COUNCILMAN MIRANDA CHAIRS ON THAT COMMITTEE --
05:27:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T CHAIR.
05:27:41 I'M JUST A MEMBER.
05:27:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MEMBER ON THAT COMMITTEE.
05:27:44 I GOT QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THE VOTING THAT OCCURRED.
05:27:47 AND SOME DECISIONS THAT IN QUESTION I HAVE.
05:27:52 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE MEETING ON THAT DATE, WITH THAT
05:27:56 VOTE?
05:27:57 >> YES, I AM.
05:27:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT IT?
05:28:06 >>LUIS VIERA: HOW ABOUT IF WE DO THIS?
05:28:10 LET'S LET THE PRESENTATION GO FORWARD AND WE'LL SAVE
05:28:12 QUESTIONS FOR THE END JUST TO GET IT ALL OUT THERE AND WE
05:28:16 DON'T DO IT PIECEMEAL.
05:28:18 >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
05:28:19 IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK, WE CAME
05:28:26 BEFORE YOU AND WENT THROUGH FOUR OPTIONS, VERY
05:28:29 HIGH-LEVEL.
05:28:30 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER CALLED ME UP HERE AND WENT THROUGH
05:28:35 THE FOUR OPTIONS.
05:28:36 TODAY, MR. CHUCK WEBER WILL GET UP AND GO THROUGH THOSE
05:28:40 FOUR OPTIONS IN MUCH, MUCH MORE DETAIL.
05:28:42 THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP TO REVIEW THE PIPES, FOR INSTANCE,
05:28:51 OR THE PIPELINES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TO REPAIR OR LINE
05:28:57 WASTEWATER PIPELINES, TO REPLACE WATER PIPELINES.
05:29:01 THIS IS TO FOCUS ON WATER SUPPLY ALTERNATIVES.
05:29:05 AND TO -- FOR MR. WEBER TO SHOW WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, WHEN
05:29:09 WE NEED THE WATER, HOW CONSERVATION PLAYS INTO THAT, AND
05:29:15 WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF THE FOUR ALTERNATIVES AND WHAT ARE
05:29:20 THE BENEFITS OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
05:29:22 THERE'S A LOT TO PRESENT, BUT THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP TO
05:29:30 VET THE FOUR OPTIONS, NOT TO VET THEM.
05:29:32 NOT TO SELECT THEM.
05:29:33 THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
05:29:35 THE NEXT STEP IS TO TAKE THE FOUR OPTIONS OUT TO THE
05:29:39 PUBLIC AND GET THEIR INPUT.
05:29:44 AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU IN
05:29:47 POSSIBLY OCTOBER.
05:29:48 I DON'T HAVE A TIME FRAME.
05:29:51 AND PROPOSE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRM TO DO EXACTLY
05:29:55 THAT.
05:29:55 NOT ANY ONE ALTERNATIVE BUT ALL FOUR.
05:30:01 AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THE
05:30:03 INFORMATION OUT THERE.
05:30:04 FINALLY, I WANT TO SAY OUT OF THE 3.2 BILLION, THERE IS
05:30:12 ROUGHLY $300 MILLION IN THERE FOR ONE OF THESE FOUR
05:30:19 ALTERNATIVES.
05:30:20 NOT FOR ONE ALTERNATIVE.
05:30:22 ONE OF THESE FOUR ALTERNATIVES.
05:30:24 WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT IN THERE AS A PLACE HOLDER
05:30:30 AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM SO AT
05:30:34 SOME POINT AT A LATER POINT, EARLY NEXT YEAR HOPEFULLY,
05:30:40 WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO SELECT AN OPTION TO GO FORWARD.
05:30:45 WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER --
05:30:48 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S HOLD ALL THE QUESTIONS TO THE END.
05:30:50 IS IT SOMETHING PIVOTAL?
05:30:52 AS A GENERAL RULE, PLEASE HOLD ALL QUESTIONS UNLESS IT'S
05:30:56 SOMETHING MANDATORY.
05:30:57 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAID WE COULD HOLD IT.
05:30:59 TWO, THREE MONTHS AGO, I ASKED YOU IN FRONT OF THIS
05:31:04 GROUP, IN FRONT OF TV CAMERAS, COULD YOU HOLD THE
05:31:07 DISCUSSION OF TAP UNTIL AFTER SEPTEMBER 5th AND YOU
05:31:10 SAID YES.
05:31:11 AND HERE WE ARE. AND I SECONDED THE MOTION, BUT THAT'S
05:31:12 BECAUSE THERE WAS A WHOLE CAMPAIGN BETWEEN THE TIME HE
05:31:12 SAID YES AND NOW.
05:31:12 HOW CAN WE TRUST THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE
05:31:18 GOING TO GO OUT AND ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND COME BACK TO US
05:31:22 WITH ANOTHER OPTION?
05:31:23 HOW DO WE TRUST THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE WHAT YOU
05:31:26 JUST SAID SINCE YOU DID IT BEFORE?
05:31:29 >>BRAD BAIRD: THIS WORKSHOP COULD HAVE BEEN HELD AFTER
05:31:33 SEPTEMBER 5th.
05:31:34 THERE IS NO REASON IT COULDN'T HAVE.
05:31:37 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S HOLD ALL FURTHER QUESTIONS UNLESS IT
05:31:41 IS SOMETHING UNIQUE TO THAT MOMENT UNTIL AFTER THE
05:31:45 PRESENTATION.
05:31:46 AFTER THAT, FIRE AWAY.
05:31:47 >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:31:49 MR. WEBER.
05:31:54 >>CHUCK WEBER: GOOD EVENING.
05:31:56 CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
05:31:58 I'M GOING TO START TONIGHT WITH A SHORT VIDEO THAT'S
05:32:02 GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT NEED WE HAVE, THE FUTURE
05:32:05 NEEDS, AND ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CONSERVATION.
05:32:09 SO WITH THAT, IF THE AV FOLKS COULD HELP US OUT WITH THE
05:32:13 VIDEO, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
05:32:15 >> THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY NOW
05:32:21 AND FOR DECADES TO COME.
05:32:23 TAMPA'S DRINKING WATER COMES FROM THE -- RESERVOIR.
05:32:28 THIS RESERVOIR CAN HOLD ABOUT 1 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
05:32:31 THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ISSUED
05:32:34 THE CITY OF TAMPA A WATER USE PERMIT ALLOWING THE CITY TO
05:32:38 WITHDRAW ON AN ANNUAL AVERAGE UP TO 82 MILLION GALLONS
05:32:41 FROM THE RESERVOIR PER DAY.
05:32:43 OVER THE DECADES, THE RESERVOIR HAS SERVED THE PEOPLE OF
05:32:47 TAMPA WELL, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN PERIODS OF STRESS.
05:32:50 MOST RECENTLY, TAMPA EXPERIENCED A DROUGHT IN 2017 THAT
05:32:54 CAUSED OUR DEMANDS FOR WATER TO EXCEED OUR PERMITTED
05:32:58 WATER SUPPLY.
05:32:59 MOST LIKELY, THIS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.
05:33:01 AS OUR POPULATION GROWS, PERIODS OF DROUGHT WILL PUT TOO
05:33:07 MUCH STRAIN ON THE RESERVOIR.
05:33:09 THERE WON'T ENOUGH WATER TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR FRIENDS
05:33:12 AND NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
05:33:13 IN FACT, THE POTABLE WATER MASTER PLAN, COMPLETED BY
05:33:16 BLACK & VEATCH, ESTIMATED THAT TAMPA'S WATER DEMAND, EVEN
05:33:20 DURING A YEAR OF NORMAL RAINFALL, WILL EXCEED ITS
05:33:23 PERMITTED WATER SUPPLY BY 2026.
05:33:25 CONSERVING WATER HAS ALWAYS BEEN IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF
05:33:29 TAMPA.
05:33:29 BACK IN 1989, WE LAUNCHED A PROGRAM PROMOTING A
05:33:34 TIERED-RATE STRUCTURE FOR WATER CONSUMPTION.
05:33:36 AS RESIDENTS INCREASED THEIR WATER USE, THE PRICE PER
05:33:40 GALLON ALSO INCREASED.
05:33:41 THROUGH THIS CONSERVATION PROGRAM, IS PER CAPITA WATER
05:33:46 USAGE WAS REDUCED BY 41% AS OF 2018.
05:33:49 A KEY THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO
05:33:52 PROVIDE MINIMUM FLOWS DOWNSTREAM OF THE RESERVOIR IN
05:33:56 ORDER TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT OF THE LOWER
05:33:59 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:34:00 WE CURRENTLY RELY HEAVILY ON SULPHUR SPRINGS TO MEET THE
05:34:03 MINIMUM FLOWS.
05:34:05 HOWEVER, THERE IS GROWING CONCERN THAT CONTINUED HEAVY
05:34:08 RELIANCE WILL CAUSE SULPHUR SPRINGS TO BECOME MORE
05:34:12 SALINE, AND THAT COULD HAVE A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL
05:34:14 IMPACT.
05:34:15 OUR CITY IS THE FIRST IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA TO IMPLEMENT
05:34:20 A LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION ORDINANCE.
05:34:23 WHILE FINES AND CITATIONS ENFORCE IRRIGATION REGULATIONS,
05:34:27 THE CITY ALSO USES EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND WORKSHOPS
05:34:30 TO PROMOTE WATER CONSERVATION PRACTICES.
05:34:32 THE TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT EVEN OFFERS FREE IRRIGATION
05:34:36 SYSTEM AUDITS TO ITS CUSTOMERS.
05:34:38 THE CITY OF TAMPA GIVES WATER-SAVING DEVICES TO CUSTOMERS
05:34:42 FOR FREE.
05:34:43 DEVICES SUCH AS LOW-FLOW SHOWER HEADS, WATER FAUCET
05:34:48 AERATORS, TOILET LEAK DETECTION DYE TABLETS AND PRERINSE
05:34:53 SPRAY VALVES HELP CUSTOMERS SAVE MONEY AND THE
05:34:57 ENVIRONMENT AT THE SAME TIME.
05:34:58 THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL CONTINUE WITH CURRENT CONSERVATION
05:35:01 EFFORTS AND NEW PROJECTS ARE ON THE WAY.
05:35:03 ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM AND THE CUSTOMER
05:35:07 WATER USE INFORMATION PORTAL WILL BETTER INFORM YOU ABOUT
05:35:11 THE BEST WAYS TO IMPROVE WATER USAGE AND QUICKLY SIGNAL
05:35:14 YOUR MOBILE DEVICE ABOUT ANY WATER LEAKS AT YOUR HOME OR
05:35:19 BUSINESS.
05:35:19 ALTHOUGH WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES IN PROTECTING TAMPA'S
05:35:24 WATER SUPPLY, THESE EFFORTS ARE NOT ENOUGH TO ELIMINATE
05:35:27 THE NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL SOURCE TO MEET OUR GROWING
05:35:30 DEMANDS FOR WATER.
05:35:31 THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND A SECURE,
05:35:34 SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY TO MEET OUR WATER DEMANDS DURING
05:35:38 PERIODS OF DROUGHT.
05:35:38 WE NEED WATER NOW AND FOR DECADES TO COME.
05:35:49 >>CHUCK WEBER: WITH THAT, I'LL JUMP INTO A PRESENTATION.
05:35:52 WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT FIRST THE CONSIDERATIONS
05:35:55 AND THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WENT
05:35:57 INTO THE ANALYSIS.
05:35:57 IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE CONSIDERATIONS AND
05:35:59 ASSUMPTIONS UP FIRST, OTHERWISE, THE ANALYSIS ISN'T GOING
05:36:02 TO MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE.
05:36:03 AFTER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTION DETAILS.
05:36:08 WE'LL GO THROUGH THE FOUR OPTIONS IN DETAIL.
05:36:11 TALK ABOUT THE BACKGROUND, TALK ABOUT ANY HISTORY
05:36:14 ASSOCIATED WITH THAT OPTION, WHEN THEY MAY HAVE STARTED,
05:36:17 IF THERE ARE ANY REPORTS RELATED TO THEM, WE'LL INDICATE
05:36:20 THOSE.
05:36:20 AFTER THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS AND THE
05:36:26 CHALLENGES WITH EACH OPTION.
05:36:27 AT THE END, WE'LL HAVE A SUMMARY AND TABLE FORMAT OF ALL
05:36:30 OF THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
05:36:32 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE OF SHORT RECOMMENDATIONS AND
05:36:34 THEN QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
05:36:35 STARTING WITH THE DRINKING WATER SUPPLY, LIKE THE VIDEO
05:36:42 HAD MENTIONED, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CHART THAT
05:36:45 WAS IN THERE.
05:36:46 JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLORS.
05:36:47 IN 2017, OUR DEMAND DID EXCEED OUR PERMITTED USE, WHICH
05:36:53 IS 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:36:57 AND THAT WILL TYPICALLY HAPPEN IN DROUGHTS FROM HERE ON
05:37:01 OUT.
05:37:02 THAT WAS A RATHER MODEST DROUGHT DURING THAT TIME.
05:37:05 ALSO, JUST NORMAL DEMANDS ARE PREDICTED TO EXCEED OUR
05:37:09 PERMITTED CAPACITY IN 2026 BASED ON OUR MASTER PLANNING
05:37:14 EFFORTS.
05:37:14 I WOULD PUT OUT OR MENTION THAT THE DEMANDS USED IN THE
05:37:23 2016 MASTER PLAN THAT WE DID WITH THE CITY ARE WITHIN A
05:37:26 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF TAMPA BAY WATER'S MASTER PLAN
05:37:33 NUMBERS.
05:37:34 THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME NUMBERS.
05:37:36 THIS GRAPHIC KIND OF PUTS OUR WATER DEMAND IN PERSPECTIVE
05:37:41 WITH THE OTHER FIVE MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA BAY WATER.
05:37:45 WE ARE THE SINGLE LARGEST USER OF WATER IN THE TAMPA BAY
05:37:49 WATER.
05:37:53 WE ESSENTIALLY AT THIS POINT SUPPLY ALL THAT WATER.
05:37:56 THE OTHER THING TO NOTE ON THIS GRAPHIC IS THAT IN
05:38:01 ADDITION TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, IS HILLSBOROUGH AND PASCO
05:38:04 ARE THE ONLY OTHER TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE SHOWING ANY
05:38:07 GROWTH IN THEIR WATER DEMAND FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.
05:38:10 ANOTHER REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT OFTEN GETS OVERLOOKED
05:38:16 WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER SUPPLY, OUR WATER SUPPLY IS
05:38:20 LINKED TO THE MINIMUM FLOWS ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:38:22 AND NOT ONLY ARE WE REQUIRED BY LAW TO MEET THOSE MINIMUM
05:38:27 FLOWS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE ENVIRONMENT AND NOT
05:38:31 TO HARM OUR WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA.
05:38:33 SO MINIMUM FLOWS ARE MAINTAINED BY PUMPING WATER FROM
05:38:38 SULPHUR SPRINGS OUT OF THE AQUIFER, WHICH FOR THOSE NEW
05:38:43 TO THE TERM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LAYER OF ROCK THAT IS
05:38:48 POROUS AND ACTS LIKE A SPONGE.
05:38:50 SULPHUR SPRINGS WILL PUMP WATER OUT OF THAT AQUIFER AND
05:38:54 PUMP IT UP TO THE BASE OF THE HILLSBOROUGH DAM RIGHT
05:38:56 HERE.
05:38:57 THAT'S HOW WE SUPPLY THE MINIMUM FLOWS THAT RUN DOWN
05:39:00 THROUGH THE RIVER WITH FRESHWATER.
05:39:02 THE PROBLEM IS, SULPHUR SPRINGS, IT'S NOT AS FRESH AS IT
05:39:07 USED TO BE.
05:39:08 IT'S GETTING SALTIER.
05:39:09 THE RATE AT WHICH IT'S GETTING SALTIER IS ACCELERATING.
05:39:13 AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, THIS WILL NOT BE A VIABLE SOURCE
05:39:17 IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR PROVIDING THE MINIMUM FLOWS ON THE
05:39:22 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:39:23 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER SOURCE.
05:39:25 THIS CHART IS KIND OF HARD TO READ BUT REALLY WHAT I WANT
05:39:32 TO SHOW YOU ARE THE SLOPES OF THE LINES HERE.
05:39:34 THIS IS A CHART TAKEN FROM A PAPER THAT WAS DONE BY USF
05:39:40 RESEARCH STUDENT DOING RESEARCH ON SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:39:43 AND WHAT HE DID WAS HE ASSOCIATED THE SALINITY WITH
05:39:47 SULPHUR SPRINGS OVER THE YEARS, AND SINCE 1945, YOU CAN
05:39:51 SEE IT WAS STEADILY INCREASING UP TO 2002.
05:39:54 AND IN 2002 IS WHEN WE STARTED PUMPING FOR MINIMUM FLOWS.
05:39:59 YOU CAN SEE A DRASTIC CHANGE IN THE RATE AT WHICH THE
05:40:02 SALINITY IS INCREASING IN SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:40:04 THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION, AND WE NEED TO TAKE
05:40:07 CARE OF IT.
05:40:08 TO EXPLAIN HOW THE SALINITY IS INCREASING, THIS GRAPHIC
05:40:14 WAS OFFERED.
05:40:15 ON THE TOP IT KIND OF SHOWS THE POOL OF SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:40:19 IF YOU LOOK AND GO DOWNWARD, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE VENTS
05:40:21 THROUGH THE AQUIFER, AND THEY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
05:40:24 LAYERS IN THE AQUIFER WHERE IT'S VERY SALTY.
05:40:27 AS WE PUMP WATER OUT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS, WE ARE SIPHONING
05:40:30 THAT SALTY WATER UP INTO THE VENTS AND THE AQUIFER.
05:40:33 THAT'S HOW IT'S BECOMING MORE SALTY.
05:40:35 BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF THE
05:40:43 OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.
05:40:45 NUTRIENT REMOVAL FROM THE BAY IS CERTAINLY A
05:40:47 CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE OPTIONS.
05:40:49 SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER, PROVIDING A SALTWATER
05:40:53 INTRUSION BARRIER UNDERNEATH THE CITY IS ANOTHER
05:40:56 IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATION.
05:40:57 ALSO, KEEPING THE REGION IN MIND.
05:41:00 WITH THE TAMPA BAY REGION, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE
05:41:03 AUTHORITY WAS CREATED WAS TO REDUCE THE RELIANCE ON
05:41:07 GROUNDWATER.
05:41:07 SO IF WE CHOOSE AN OPTION, WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT
05:41:10 CHOOSING AN OPTION THAT DOES THAT.
05:41:12 ALSO, IS WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT THE
05:41:16 WATER SOURCE IS A NEW SOURCE FOR THE REGION OR IF IT'S
05:41:19 USING EXISTING SOURCES.
05:41:21 AND THEN, FINALLY, FOR REGIONAL CONSIDERATIONS IS COST TO
05:41:24 THE REGION.
05:41:26 LAST YEAR, IN 2018 THROUGH TAMPA BAY WATER, WE DID AN
05:41:29 ANALYSIS THAT LOOKED AT IF THE CITY OF TAMPA BUILT AND
05:41:36 PAID FOR A PROJECT TO SUPPLY ITS FUTURE NEEDS, THE REASON
05:41:40 WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE A NET SAVINGS OF CLOSE TO
05:41:43 $34.7 MILLION.
05:41:44 I FORGOT TO MENTION GRANT FUNDING ELIGIBILITY IS ANOTHER
05:41:51 CONSIDERATION.
05:41:52 SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AREN'T GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR
05:41:54 GRANT FUNDING.
05:41:55 OTHERS ARE, SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL WE COULD SAVE SOME
05:41:57 MONEY ON THEM.
05:41:58 LASTLY, SOME OF THESE PROJECTS CURRENTLY CANNOT BE
05:42:01 PERMITTED.
05:42:02 SO THEY DON'T HAVE A REGULATORY PROJECT.
05:42:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHUCK, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT LAST
05:42:06 STATISTIC?
05:42:07 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS RECOGNIZED.
05:42:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
05:42:11 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE FINANCIAL STATISTIC?
05:42:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST THE LAST NUMBER THAT CAME OUT OF
05:42:15 YOUR MOUTH.
05:42:16 >>CHUCK WEBER: $34.7 MILLION.
05:42:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SAY IT AGAIN.
05:42:19 >>CHUCK WEBER: IN 2018, THROUGH TAMPA BAY WATER --
05:42:22 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE, NO QUESTIONS
05:42:25 DURING THE PRESENTATION.
05:42:26 >>CHUCK WEBER: 2018, THROUGH TAMPA BAY WATER DID AN
05:42:30 ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE THE NET EFFECT ON THEIR
05:42:34 REGION IF THE CITY OF TAMPA BUILT AND PAID FOR A WATER
05:42:39 PROJECT, CAPITAL PROJECT TO SUPPLY ITS WATER NEEDS FOR
05:42:42 THE FUTURE IN LIEU OF TAMPA BAY WATER BUILDING THOSE
05:42:47 FACILITIES.
05:42:48 AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN OFFSET TO THAT CAPITAL IN THE
05:42:52 REVENUE THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO TAMPA BAY WATER FROM
05:42:55 THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE WATER.
05:42:58 WHAT THIS ANALYSIS DID IS IT LOOKED AT THE NET EFFECT OF
05:43:00 THOSE TWO THINGS.
05:43:02 AND WHAT IT SHOWED IS THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR
05:43:04 $34.7 MILLION IN SAVINGS FOR THE REGION, IF TAMPA BUILDS
05:43:11 THE PROJECT AND PAYS FOR IT.
05:43:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
05:43:15 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
05:43:16 >>CHUCK WEBER: OKAY.
05:43:17 SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
05:43:20 NOW I WANT TO MOVE INTO SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS.
05:43:22 WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH WATER WERE NEEDED FOR EACH
05:43:28 OPTION, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE
05:43:31 OUR EXISTING PERMITTED CAPACITY.
05:43:32 SO THE 82 MGD THAT WE'RE PERMITTED FOR IS USED IN EACH OF
05:43:37 THESE OPTIONS BEFORE WE USE THE OTHER WATER SOURCE.
05:43:40 THE OTHER THING THAT WE ASSUMED WAS IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE
05:43:44 OF DROUGHTS, WE WOULD TAKE THE PROJECTED DEMANDS AND
05:43:47 INCREASE THEM BY 10% SO THAT WE COULD HANDLE DROUGHTS AS
05:43:50 WELL.
05:43:51 AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT WE
05:43:55 USED THE 2016 MASTER PLAN PROJECTIONS, WHICH, AGAIN, ARE
05:43:58 WITHIN AN MGD OF THE TAMPA BAY WATER PROJECTIONS.
05:44:02 SO THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
05:44:03 THE OTHER ASSUMPTION THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS WITH
05:44:07 TAMPA BAY WATER PURCHASE, WE INCLUDED ADDITIONAL
05:44:12 TREATMENT.
05:44:13 WE DID THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR HISTORY PURCHASING WATER
05:44:17 FROM TAMPA BAY WATER, WE EXPERIENCE TASTE IN ODOR, WATER
05:44:20 QUALITY PROBLEMS.
05:44:20 IN 2017, WE HAD SUCH AN EVENT, THIS CHART SHOWS WHAT
05:44:25 HAPPENED.
05:44:25 YOU CAN SEE THE BACKGROUND, JANUARY THROUGH FEBRUARY,
05:44:29 BEFORE WE STARTED PURCHASING WATER, THE TASTE AND ODOR
05:44:32 EVENTS WERE VERY LOW.
05:44:35 BUT IN APRIL IN PARTICULAR, WE HAD OVER 200 ODOR
05:44:40 COMPLAINTS, AND OVER 125 TASTE COMPLAINTS, AND THEN IT
05:44:43 TAPERED OFF AS WE TAPERED OFF OUR USE OF THE TAMPA BAY
05:44:46 PURCHASED WATER.
05:44:47 AN ADDITION ASSUMPTION IS RECOVERIES FOR DIRECT POTABLE
05:44:59 REUSE.
05:45:00 TURNING RECLAIMED WATER INTO DRINKING WATER.
05:45:02 WHEN YOU DO THAT DIRECTLY, YOU DON'T PUT THAT IN THE
05:45:05 ENVIRONMENT.
05:45:05 FOR THOSE SCENARIOS, WHERE WE'RE USING MEMBRANES, 80% OF
05:45:10 THE WATER THAT WE PUT INTO THE PROCESS WILL COME OUT THE
05:45:13 OTHER END.
05:45:13 20% WILL HAVE TO GET RECYCLED.
05:45:15 SO IT DOESN'T REALLY PRODUCE A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO.
05:45:21 AND THAT SAME EFFECT HAPPENS WITH INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE,
05:45:24 AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING AS TURNING DRINKING
05:45:27 WATER -- OR RECLAIMED WATER INTO DRINKING WATER, BUT IN
05:45:30 INDIRECT, YOU PUT IT THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENT FIRST.
05:45:32 YOU'LL PUT IT INTO THE AQUIFER OR INTO A LAKE OR A STREAM
05:45:36 AND THEN WITHDRAW IT AND TREAT IT IN A DRINKING WATER
05:45:38 PLANT.
05:45:39 IN THOSE SCENARIOS, YOU CAN HAVE RECOVERIES OF 90%, AND
05:45:43 THAT'S WHAT WE ASSUMED WHEN WE DID THIS ANALYSIS.
05:45:46 AND THEN AN ASSUMPTION THAT WAS MADE FOR THE PURPLE PIPE
05:45:51 SYSTEM, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS USING
05:45:53 RECLAIMED WATER, WE ALSO HAVE INDUSTRIAL USERS, AND
05:45:58 THAT'S THE NON-POTABLE REUSE.
05:46:00 ESSENTIALLY TAKING RECLAIMED WATER AND USING IT FOR
05:46:03 IRRIGATION, INDUSTRIAL USES BUT NOT DRINKING. SO FOR
05:46:06 THOSE, WE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DID WAS HAVE
05:46:12 ENOUGH IRRIGATION AND ENOUGH USE OF THE RECLAIMED WATER
05:46:14 THROUGH THAT SYSTEM TO OFFSET THE DRINKING WATER THAT
05:46:17 WOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO PUT IN THE GROUND FOR IRRIGATION.
05:46:22 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I HAVE SOMEBODY PLEASE SPEAK TO THE
05:46:24 FOLKS OUT THERE?
05:46:25 JUST TELL THEM THAT WE'RE HAVING A MEETING.
05:46:27 MR. BENNETT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
05:46:29 JUST WHOEVER.
05:46:31 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT'S IMPORTANT TO OFFSET THAT, BECAUSE IF
05:46:33 YOU DON'T OFFSET ALL THE DRINKING WATER DEMAND, THEN YOU
05:46:36 HAVE TO DO THIS PROJECT AND ANOTHER PROJECT TO MEET THAT
05:46:39 REMAINING DRINKING WATER DEMAND.
05:46:41 SO THOSE WERE THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THE
05:46:43 ANALYSIS.
05:46:43 THESE ARE THE LIST OF OPTIONS.
05:46:47 AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES NOW.
05:46:49 THE FIRST OPTION IS TO PURCHASE WATER FROM TAMPA BAY
05:46:52 WATER.
05:46:52 THE SECOND OPTION IS THE DIRECT DRINKING WATER REUSE.
05:46:57 IT HAS TWO ALTERNATIVES.
05:46:59 ALTERNATIVE A AND ALTERNATIVE B.
05:47:01 THE ALTERNATIVE A IS THE SYSTEM, AND IT INCLUDES FLOWS
05:47:06 THAT CAN SUPPORT THE MINIMUM FLOWS ON THE HILLSBOROUGH
05:47:09 RIVER.
05:47:10 ALTERNATIVE B IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SYSTEM, BUT IT DOES
05:47:13 NOT -- IT'S NOT SIZED FOR NOR IS IT GOING TO BE OPERATED
05:47:17 IN A MANNER IN WHICH IT WILL PROVIDE THE MINIMUM FLOWS
05:47:20 FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:47:22 AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN
05:47:24 THOSE IN A MOMENT.
05:47:25 OPTION THREE IS THE DIRECT POTABLE REUSE.
05:47:31 ALTERNATIVE A USES OZONE AND BIOLOGICALLY ACTIVATED
05:47:35 FILTRATION, WHICH THERE ARE SOME PRETTY SOPHISTICATED
05:47:39 SYSTEMS AS PRETREATMENT BEFORE MEMBRANES -- EXCUSE ME,
05:47:43 ALTERNATIVE B USES ULTRAVIOLET DISINFECTION AS
05:47:47 PRETREATMENT BEFORE USING MEMBRANES.
05:47:49 IN OPTION 4, THE PURPLE PIPE, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AS
05:47:53 WELL.
05:47:54 SO MOVING INTO THE DETAILED EXPLANATIONS AND DISCUSSION,
05:48:00 OPTION 1 IS PURCHASING WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
05:48:04 THIS OPTION REALLY BECAME AVAILABLE IN 1998 WHEN WE
05:48:07 JOINED THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
05:48:10 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THAT INTERLOCAL
05:48:13 AGREEMENT WAS SOME CHANGES AT MORRIS BRIDGE WELLFIELD.
05:48:18 THIS GRAPHIC KIND OF INDICATES WHERE MORRIS BRIDGE
05:48:21 WELLFIELD IS.
05:48:22 THIS IS BRUCE B. DOWNS AND I-75.
05:48:25 AND MORRIS BRIDGE WELLFIELD RUNS DOWN THROUGH THIS AREA
05:48:30 HERE.
05:48:30 AND RIGHT HERE IS THE MORRIS BRIDGE TREATMENT PLANT WHICH
05:48:33 IS NOW REALLY JUST A PUMP STATION.
05:48:35 THIS IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE SAME AREA.
05:48:41 THE WAY THIS WORKS IS WHEN WE OWN THE WELLFIELD, THE
05:48:44 WATER WOULD COME INTO THIS TREATMENT PROCESS, WHICH HAS
05:48:48 NOW BEEN SITTING IDLE FOR 20 YEARS, BUT WE WOULD DO LIME
05:48:51 SOFTENING HERE AND OTHER TREATMENT PROCESSES TO TREAT THE
05:48:54 GROUNDWATER.
05:48:55 IT WOULD GO INTO THE STORAGE TANKS AND THEN BE PUMPED OUT
05:48:58 TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
05:48:59 WHEN WE JOINED TAMPA BAY WATER, WE SOLD THE WELLFIELD.
05:49:03 AND TAMPA BAY WATER NOW TREATS THE WATER WITH CHLORINE
05:49:06 AND AMMONIA, AND THEY BLEND IT WITH OTHER WATER FROM
05:49:10 OTHER SOURCES IN THEIR SYSTEM.
05:49:11 THE WATER RUNS THROUGH THE GROUND STORAGE TANK, AND
05:49:15 THROUGH THIS PIPE HERE INTO OUR STORAGE TANKS OVER HERE
05:49:18 AND IS PUMPED OUT TO THE SYSTEM.
05:49:19 SO THIS TREATMENT PLANT IS BYPASSED, BUT WE ARE STILL
05:49:22 USING THE PUMP STATION THAT'S LOCATED IN THIS BUILDING
05:49:25 HERE.
05:49:25 WITH THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, THAT'S WHAT LIMITED OUR
05:49:33 PERMIT, OUR PERMITTED WATER USE ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
05:49:35 TO 82 MGD.
05:49:38 WITH THAT AGREEMENT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT
05:49:40 FIRST 82 MGD.
05:49:42 AFTER THAT, TAMPA BAY WATER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE
05:49:46 US ADDITIONAL WATER, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE
05:49:48 FIRST 82 MGD.
05:49:50 WE HAVE USED TAMPA BAY WATER PRIMARILY AND REALLY ONLY
05:49:55 FOR DROUGHT RELIEF IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.
05:49:59 AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE HAVE EXPERIENCED WATER
05:50:02 QUALITY ISSUES WHEN WE DO THAT IN THE FORM OF TASTE AND
05:50:05 ODOR PROBLEMS.
05:50:06 ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR
05:50:09 ATTENTION THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS IN THE
05:50:11 PAST IS TAMPA HAS THREE PRESSURE ZONES, AND THIS REALLY
05:50:15 ONLY OCCURRED OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
05:50:17 THIS GRAPHIC KIND OF SHOWS WE HAVE A PRESSURE ZONE IN NEW
05:50:23 TAMPA AREA, AND THEN THIS IS CALLED THE DAVID L. TIPPIN
05:50:29 PRESSURE ZONE BECAUSE IT RUNS OUT OF THE SERVICE COMING
05:50:32 OUT OF THE TREATMENT PLANT.
05:50:33 SOUTH TAMPA, AND THIS IS SOUTH OF GANDY TAMPA, WE HAVE A
05:50:37 PRESSURE ZONE AREA DOWN HERE AS WELL.
05:50:39 WHAT THE PRESSURE ZONES ALLOW US TO DO IS THEY ALLOW US
05:50:41 TO MINIMIZE THE DETENTION TIME OF THE WATER IN THE SYSTEM
05:50:45 AND SO THE WATER AGE IS LESS, WHICH HELPS WITH WATER
05:50:47 QUALITY PROBLEMS.
05:50:48 IT ENABLES US TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FLUSHING THAT WE DO
05:50:52 IN THE SYSTEM.
05:50:52 IT SAVES WATER.
05:50:53 IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOR NEW TAMPA, IT IS AT A HIGHER
05:50:59 ELEVATION.
05:51:00 WHEN WE USED TO PUMP FROM THE DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER
05:51:03 TREATMENT PLANT, WE COULDN'T GENERATE ENOUGH PRESSURE TO
05:51:07 GET WATER TO THE THIRD OR FOURTH FLOOR, AND SOMETIMES
05:51:11 EVEN THE SECOND FOR IN A BUILDING THAT WAS AT THE END OF
05:51:13 THE SYSTEM.
05:51:14 SO IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE SET UP A TEMPORARY BARRIER
05:51:17 USING VALVES HERE, AND WE PUMP WATER FROM THE MORRIS
05:51:20 BRIDGE PUMPING STATION INTO THIS SYSTEM AT A HIGHER
05:51:23 PRESSURE.
05:51:24 AND WHEN WE DID THAT, ALL THE PRESSURE PROBLEMS WENT
05:51:26 AWAY.
05:51:27 WE NO LONGER HAVE PRESSURE PROBLEMS THERE.
05:51:29 HOWEVER, LOOKING FORWARD AND HOW THIS RELATES TO OPTION
05:51:32 ONE, IF WE PURCHASE WATER, ALL THE WATER WE PURCHASED
05:51:35 WILL GO INTO NEW TAMPA ONLY BECAUSE IT'S ISOLATED AFTER
05:51:38 IT HITS THIS PRESSURE ZONE.
05:51:40 NOW, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY.
05:51:42 WE COULD DO SOME MORE VALVING AND PUMPS AND PIPES TO SEND
05:51:47 THE WATER TO OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN
05:51:50 THE ANALYSIS.
05:51:51 SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD AS WE GO
05:51:54 FORWARD DISCUSSING AND LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS.
05:51:57 THE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT OPTION ONE,
05:52:04 WHICH SHOWS OUR HISTORY OF USAGE, THIS GRAPHIC SHOWS THE
05:52:07 LARGE BARS, EACH YEAR, HOW MUCH WATER TAMPA BAY WATER HAS
05:52:11 PRODUCED.
05:52:11 AND THE SMALL BLUE BARS THAT ARE KIND OF HIDDEN BEHIND
05:52:15 THE SMALL LIGHT BARS ARE HOW MUCH WATER THE CITY OF TAMPA
05:52:18 PURCHASED IN MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
05:52:21 THE LIGHT BLUE BARS I PUT IN THERE AS A PERCENTAGE SO YOU
05:52:25 COULD GET AN IDEA OUT OF ALL THE WATER THAT TAMPA BAY
05:52:27 WATER PRODUCES, WE DON'T REALLY -- WE'VE NEVER PURCHASED
05:52:31 OVER TEN PERCENT OF IT, AND MOST YEARS, QUITE A FEW
05:52:35 YEARS, WE DON'T PURCHASE ANY.
05:52:37 THAT'S LOOKING BACKWARDS.
05:52:39 THAT'S OUR HISTORY.
05:52:40 LOOKING FORWARD, BASED ON TAMPA BAY WATER'S MASTER PLAN
05:52:45 NUMBERS, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
05:52:49 PURCHASING IN THE FUTURE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH EITHER.
05:52:53 IT'S PRETTY MUCH ON PAR WITH OUR PAST.
05:52:56 THIS IN 2040 REPRESENTS I BELIEVE -- I THINK SIX POINT --
05:53:06 OR 6.5%.
05:53:09 AND THAT WOULD BE THE SINGLE BIGGEST YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD
05:53:12 GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
05:53:14 OVERALL, IF YOU AVERAGE PERCENTAGE OF WATER PURCHASED
05:53:17 THROUGH THIS TIME PERIOD IT AMOUNTS TO 3%.
05:53:20 SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE A PERSPECTIVE OF EVEN THOUGH
05:53:25 WE REPRESENT ONE-THIRD OF THE DEMAND FOR THE SYSTEM, WE
05:53:27 ARE CAPABLE OF SUPPLYING JUST ABOUT ALL OUR DEMAND IN THE
05:53:33 PAST, EXCEPT FOR DROUGHTS.
05:53:34 AND IN THE FUTURE, EXCEPT FOR A SMALL PERCENTAGE.
05:53:37 THIS IS THE CONFIGURATION OF THE TREATMENT PROCESS WE
05:53:47 CONTEMPLATED IN THE ANALYSIS.
05:53:48 IN THE UPPER LEFT, THE TAMPA BAY WATER STORAGE FACILITIES
05:53:51 AND THE PURPOSE OF.
05:53:52 FROM THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IT TO A TRANSFER PUMP
05:53:54 STATION TO GIVE THE WATER THE ENERGY TO FLOW THROUGH THE
05:53:58 TREATMENT PROCESS.
05:53:58 THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS IS LIME SOFTENING.
05:54:03 THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS THAT USED TO BE THERE AT MORRIS
05:54:07 BRIDGE, WE WERE USING.
05:54:08 THE GROUND BLENDS.
05:54:10 SOMETIMES THE GROUND WATER CAN BE HARDER THAN WHAT WE
05:54:12 HAVE IN THE SYSTEM.
05:54:13 THE ALKALINITY AND pH CAN BE DIFFERENT AS WELL.
05:54:16 THIS WILL HELP US MATCH THE ALKALINITY, pH AND OTHER
05:54:20 WATER QUALITY PARAMETERS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE REST
05:54:22 OF OUR SYSTEM.
05:54:22 THE OTHER TREATMENT PROCESS HERE IS DUAL MEDIA FILTERS,
05:54:27 AND THAT WILL HELP WITH FINISHING AND POLISHING OFF THE
05:54:30 WATER AFTER THE LIME SOFTENING.
05:54:32 AFTER THAT, THE WATER WILL MOVE THROUGH A CLEAR WELL AND
05:54:34 BE PUMPED INTO THE SYSTEM.
05:54:36 WE ALSO HAVE SOME LIME SLUDGE RESIDUALS TO DISPOSE OF
05:54:40 WITH THIS TREATMENT PROCESS AS WELL.
05:54:47 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I KNOW YOU WANT TO
05:54:50 CHALLENGE.
05:54:50 I PROMISE YOU'LL BE FIRST UP.
05:54:52 ACTUALLY, COUNCILMAN GUDES AND THEN YOU'LL BE UP.
05:54:56 >>BILL CARLSON: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
05:54:59 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, PLEASE RESPECT THE
05:55:02 CHAIR AND THE PROCESS.
05:55:03 THANK YOU.
05:55:07 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE BENEFITS OF THIS PROJECT IS IT HAS THE
05:55:10 POTENTIAL TO MEET THE DRINKING WATER NEEDS FOR TAMPA FOR
05:55:13 A LONG TIME.
05:55:14 SO THAT IS A PLUS.
05:55:15 AND THERE ARE NO REGULATORY OR PERMITTING ISSUES WITH
05:55:19 THIS PROJECT AS WELL, WITH THIS OPTION.
05:55:22 THE COST FOR THIS OPTION, THE NET PRESENT VALUE TOTAL,
05:55:28 INCLUDING CAPITAL AND O & M IS 465 MILLION ROUGHLY,
05:55:32 CAPITAL BEING 260 MILLION, WITH O & M COST NET PRESENT
05:55:36 VALUE AROUND 259.
05:55:38 SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IS THIS DOES NOTHING FOR PROVIDING
05:55:42 FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER MINIMUM FLOWS.
05:55:44 IT DOESN'T HELP WITH THE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:55:47 THERE'S NO NUTRIENT REMOVAL FROM THE BAY WITH THIS
05:55:50 OPTION.
05:55:50 THERE'S NO SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER, AND IT'S NOT
05:55:54 ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDING.
05:55:56 OPTION TWO, THE INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE HAS TWO
05:56:01 ALTERNATIVES.
05:56:02 ALTERNATIVE A INCLUDES THE MINIMUM FLOWS.
05:56:06 THIS PROJECT, OR THIS OPTION WAS STUDIED EXTENSIVELY
05:56:10 UNDER THE TAMPA AUGMENTATION PROJECT, WHICH STARTED IN
05:56:13 DECEMBER 2013.
05:56:15 THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THESE
05:56:19 DIFFERENT COMPONENTS ARE LOCATED.
05:56:20 DOWN HERE AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN ADVANCE WASTEWATER
05:56:23 TREATMENT PLANT, WE'LL BE USING A UV.
05:56:26 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE IT RUN THROUGH A PIPELINE TO A
05:56:29 WELLFIELD.
05:56:30 AND AT EACH OF THE RECHARGE WELLS, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER UV
05:56:34 SYSTEM TO FURTHER DISINFECT THE WATER BEFORE IT GOES INTO
05:56:37 THE GROUND SO WE'LL HAVE THE RECHARGE WELLS AND THEN
05:56:40 WE'LL HAVE THE RECOVERY WELLS, WHICH WILL PULL THE WATER
05:56:42 OUT OF THE GROUND AND ANOTHER PIPELINE THAT WILL TAKE THE
05:56:45 WATER BACK TO THE DAVID L. TIPPIN DRINKING WATER
05:56:48 FACILITY.
05:56:48 WITH THIS ASSUMPTION, WE'LL ALSO HAVE TO INCREASE THE
05:56:55 CAPACITY AT THE TREATMENT PLANT AS WELL.
05:56:59 THE WAY THIS ALTERNATIVE WILL BE OPERATED IS WE WOULD
05:57:02 KEEP THE RESERVOIR FULL ALL THE TIME AND THAT'S WHAT
05:57:06 WOULD HELP US REALLY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MINIMUM FLOWS
05:57:09 ON THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
05:57:10 THIS SHOWS THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS OPTION.
05:57:15 JUST KIND OF SCHEMATICALLY, THE DIFFERENT TREATMENT
05:57:17 PROCESSES.
05:57:18 IT REALLY STARTS IN THE COLLECTION SYSTEM WHERE WE GATHER
05:57:21 THE WASTEWATER.
05:57:22 THE WASTEWATER IS TREATED AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN
05:57:25 ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
05:57:27 THERE ARE SEVERAL TREATMENT PROCESSES THAT ARE DESIGNED
05:57:30 TO PURIFY THE WATER THERE.
05:57:32 AFTER THAT, IT WILL GO THROUGH A TRANSFER PUMP STATION TO
05:57:34 A UV DISINFECTION AND WILL BE FURTHER PURIFIED AND THEN
05:57:38 GO THROUGH A TRANSMISSION SYSTEM TO A RECHARGE, UV
05:57:42 DISINFECTION, RECHARGE WELL.
05:57:45 AND I'LL POINT OUT AT THIS POINT, WHEN THE WATER IS PUT
05:57:49 INTO THE GROUND, IT WILL MEET PRIMARY DRINKING WATER
05:57:53 STANDARDS.
05:57:53 AND ANY -- AND BEYOND JUST MEETING STANDARDS, ANY HARMFUL
05:58:00 THINGS THAT AREN'T IN THE STANDARDS YET, WE WILL MORE
05:58:03 THAN FOR AND TREAT FOR AND THEY WILL NOT GO INTO THE
05:58:06 AQUIFER.
05:58:07 AFTER PUTTING IT IN THE AQUIFER, WE'LL RECOVER THE WATER,
05:58:12 AND THEN SEND IT TO THE DRINKING WATER FACILITY WHERE IT
05:58:15 WILL GO THROUGH SEVERAL OTHER PROCESSES, INCLUDING THE
05:58:19 OZONE AND BIOLOGICALLY ACTIVATED FILTRATION PROCESS,
05:58:24 WHICH HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED TO REMOVE VERY NUMEROUS
05:58:27 CONTAMINANTS, EVEN THE ONES THAT AREN'T ROADING.
05:58:30 SO THE BENEFITS OF OPTION 2, THERE IS A REGULATORY
05:58:36 PATHWAY.
05:58:36 THIS PROJECT IS PERMITTABLE.
05:58:39 IT PROVIDES FOR DROUGHT-PROOFING.
05:58:42 IT PROVIDES FOR HILLSBOROUGH RIVER MINIMUM FLOWS.
05:58:45 IT DOES REMOVE NUTRIENTS FROM THE BAY.
05:58:47 IT DOES PROVIDE A SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER.
05:58:50 IMPROVES SULPHUR SPRINGS.
05:58:52 IT WILL ACTUALLY REVERSE THE SALINITY OF SULPHUR SPRINGS
05:58:56 BY PUTTING THE RECLAIMED WATER INTO THE AQUIFER.
05:59:01 IT'S ACTUALLY FRESHER THAN THE SALINE WATER IN THAT AREA
05:59:04 SO IT WILL HELP FRESHEN SULPHUR SPRINGS THROUGH THOSE
05:59:07 VENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
05:59:09 IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDING.
05:59:11 IT DOES PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY AND
05:59:15 ONE THAT DOESN'T RELY ON GROUNDWATER.
05:59:18 AND IT PROVIDES A REGIONAL COST SAVINGS AS WE TALKED
05:59:22 ABOUT EARLIER.
05:59:23 THE COST FOR THIS ALTERNATIVE AND THIS OPTION, THE NET
05:59:27 PRESENT VALUE IS ROUGHLY 438 MILLION WITH CAPITAL COSTS
05:59:31 AT 307 MILLION AND AN O & M NET PRESENT VALUE OF 131
05:59:37 MILLION.
05:59:38 THIS OPTION IS NOT SUPPORTED BY TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THAT
05:59:40 IS A CHALLENGE.
05:59:41 OPTION TWO, ALTERNATIVE B, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME
05:59:47 OPTION, BUT IT'S SMALLER IN SIZE BECAUSE IT'S NOT
05:59:50 TREATING AS MUCH WATER.
05:59:52 AND IT'S DESIGNED FOR LESS CAPACITY AND IT DOESN'T
05:59:55 SUPPORT MINIMUM FLOWS.
05:59:56 IT'S FOR DRINKING WATER ONLY.
05:59:58 SO THE PROCESS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, BUT I WANTED TO
06:00:01 POINT OUT IN THE DIAGRAM, THESE POINTS WOULD BE SIZED
06:00:05 SMALLER.
06:00:05 THIS DISINFECTION SYSTEM WOULD BE SIZED SMALLER.
06:00:08 THIS PIPE WOULD BE A 42 INSTEAD OF A 48-INCH PIPE.
06:00:12 WE WOULDN'T HAVE AS MANY OF THESE WELLS.
06:00:14 SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO ALTERNATIVES.
06:00:17 SO YOU CAN SEE THE BENEFITS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME BUT
06:00:22 THEY DON'T INCLUDE MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH
06:00:24 RIVER.
06:00:25 THERE IS A REGULATORY PATHWAY.
06:00:27 IT DOES PROVIDE DROUGHT-PROOFING.
06:00:29 IT PROVIDES SOME OF A SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER.
06:00:34 IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDING.
06:00:36 IT PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL REGIONAL WATER SOURCE THAT
06:00:39 ISN'T GROUNDWATER DEPENDENT AND IT PROVIDES REGIONAL COST
06:00:42 SAVINGS.
06:00:42 THE COST FOR THE PROJECT, THE TOTAL COST IS 375 MILLION.
06:00:48 THE CAPITAL COST IS 277 MILLION.
06:00:52 AND THE O & M NET PRESENT IS 97 MILLION.
06:00:57 AGAIN, A CHALLENGE FOR THIS ONE IS IT DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY
06:01:00 HILLSBOROUGH MINIMUM FLOWS, AND IT ALSO IS NOT SUPPORTED
06:01:02 BY TAMPA BAY WATER.
06:01:03 OPTION 3 IS DIRECT POTABLE REUSE.
06:01:08 AGAIN, THIS IS TURNING RECLAIMED WATER INTO DRINKING
06:01:11 WATER WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENT.
06:01:13 THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE IS USING OZONE AND BIOLOGICALLY
06:01:16 ACTIVATED FILTRATION AS A PRETREATMENT TO THE MEMBRANES.
06:01:21 AS BACKGROUND, THIS OPTION WAS INVESTIGATED AS PART OF
06:01:28 THE TAMPA AUGMENTATION PROJECT.
06:01:30 THE COMPONENTS INCLUDE OZONE.
06:01:34 ABF IS SHORT FOR BIOLOGICALLY ACTIVATED FILTRATION AND
06:01:38 HAS ULTRAFILTRATION, REVERSE OSMOSIS, ULTRAVIOLET
06:01:43 DISINFECTION, ADVANCED OXIDATION PROCEDURES AND IT HAS
06:01:48 POST-STABILIZATION AND CHLORAMINATION WHICH IS WHERE YOU
06:01:53 ADD CHLORINE AND AMMONIA AND ALSO A PIPELINE INVOLVED.
06:01:57 TO REPRESENT IT GEOGRAPHICALLY, IT IS A LITTLE LONGER
06:01:59 SYSTEM HERE.
06:02:00 YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE OTHER OPTION, LIKE THE INDIRECT
06:02:03 OPTION IT STARTS WITH THE COLLECTION SYSTEM, MONITORING
06:02:06 THAT, AND MAKING SURE WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING INTO THE
06:02:09 PLANT.
06:02:10 THE ADVANCED TREATMENT PROCESSES THAT HAPPEN AT THE
06:02:12 WASTEWATER PLANTS, MOVING INTO OZONE, AND THEN
06:02:16 BIOLOGICALLY ACTIVATED FILTRATION.
06:02:18 AND THEN IT GETS CHLORINE AND AMMONIA, AND THEN
06:02:22 MICROFILTRATION.
06:02:24 THEN AN ANTISCALANT AND REVERSE OSMOSIS, HYDROGEN
06:02:29 PEROXIDE, UV DISINFECTION, LIME STABILIZATION,
06:02:37 CHLORAMINES AND BENEFITS TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
06:02:42 THAT IS A TYPICAL ADVANCED POTABLE SYSTEM.
06:02:45 IT DOES HAVE THE BENEFIT OF PROVIDING DROUGHT-PROOFING.
06:02:49 IT DOES REMOVE NUTRIENTS FROM THE BAY.
06:02:52 IT IS GRANT FUNDING ELIGIBLE.
06:02:54 IT DOES PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL REGIONAL WATER SOURCE THAT
06:02:58 DOES NOT DEPEND ON GROUNDWATER, AND IT DOES PROVIDE
06:03:02 REGIONAL COST SAVINGS.
06:03:03 IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT COST.
06:03:07 666 MILLION ALMOST.
06:03:09 THE CAPITAL COST BEING 418 MILLION WITH THE O & M NET
06:03:14 PRESENT VALUE AT 248 MILLION.
06:03:16 HOWEVER, ONE THING TO NOTE ABOUT DIRECT POTABLE REUSE IN
06:03:21 FLORIDA, CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO REGULATORY PATHWAY FOR
06:03:23 THAT.
06:03:24 HOWEVER, THERE IS HOPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT WE WILL
06:03:27 HAVE REGULATIONS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO DIRECT POTABLE
06:03:30 REUSE.
06:03:31 ANOTHER CHALLENGE FOR THIS OPTION IS IT'S NOT SUPPORTED
06:03:33 BY TAMPA BAY WATER.
06:03:36 THERE ARE NO HILLSBOROUGH MINIMUM FLOWS WITH THIS OPTION.
06:03:41 IT DOESN'T HELP SULFUR SPRING REVERSE THE SALINITY THERE,
06:03:44 AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER.
06:03:47 ALTERNATIVE B IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME OPTION BUT INSTEAD
06:03:52 IT HAS ULTRAVIOLET DISINFECTION AS THE PRETREATMENT.
06:03:56 WE'RE JUST GOING TO SKIP TO THE GRAPHIC AND TALK THROUGH
06:03:58 THE COMPONENTS.
06:03:59 YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE SHORTER ON TREATMENT PROCESS,
06:04:03 BUT THE ADDITION OF THE UV AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN
06:04:11 ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS ADDED THERE AT THE
06:04:14 END OF ALL THE OTHER PROCESSES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
06:04:17 THEN IT GOES THROUGH CHLORAMINES, WHICH IS CHLORINE
06:04:20 AMMONIA, MICROFILTRATION, ANTISCALANT, REVERSE OSMOSIS,
06:04:25 HYDROGEN PEROXIDE AND ADVANCED OXIDATION WITH UV, LIME
06:04:29 STABILIZATION, CHLORAMINES AND THEN DIRECTLY INTO THE
06:04:33 DRINKING WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.
06:04:35 SO THOSE ARE TWO ALTERNATIVES FOR OPTION THREE.
06:04:39 THE BENEFITS OF THE SECOND ALTERNATIVE INCLUDE THE
06:04:41 DROUGHT-PROOFING.
06:04:43 IT REMOVES THE NUTRIENTS FROM THE BAY.
06:04:45 GRANT FUNDING ELIGIBILITY, AND IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL
06:04:48 REGIONAL WATER FOR THE AREA, AND IT'S NOT A GROUNDWATER
06:04:52 SOURCE.
06:04:53 THE COST IS SLIGHTLY LESS AT TOTAL OF $547 MILLION WITH
06:05:00 CAPITAL BEING AT 298 MILLION.
06:05:05 O AND M, NET PRESENT VALUE BEING ROUGHLY 250 MILLION.
06:05:10 LIKE THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE, THERE'S NO CURRENT REGULATORY
06:05:12 PATHWAY.
06:05:13 THIS PROJECT CAN'T BE PERMITTED UNDER EXISTING REGS.
06:05:16 IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY TAMPA BAY WATER.
06:05:19 THERE'S NO HILLSBOROUGH RIVER MINIMUM FLOW BENEFIT OR NO
06:05:23 SULPHUR SPRINGS IMPROVEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT.
06:05:26 IT DOESN'T REVERSE THE SALINITY.
06:05:27 AND THEN AGAIN, THERE'S NO SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER.
06:05:31 WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OPTION FOUR, WHICH IS A
06:05:35 LITTLE DIFFERENT.
06:05:35 SO INSTEAD OF PROVIDING A BRAND-NEW SOURCE OF WATER, WHAT
06:05:40 WE'RE DOING IS EXPANDING A WATER FOR DRINKING.
06:05:45 WE'RE EXPANDING THE PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM, AND WE'RE GOING
06:05:48 TO USE THAT FOR IRRIGATION AND INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES TO
06:05:51 OFFSET THE DRINKING WATER.
06:05:53 SO THIS OPTION HAS BEEN STUDIED IN-DEPTH FOR SOME TIME.
06:06:00 THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA RECLAIMED PROJECT, WHICH WAS AN
06:06:03 IRRIGATION PROJECT, BEGAN IN 2003, ROUGHLY.
06:06:09 2009, THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN DONE ON THIS TO FIGURE OUT
06:06:12 HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO US EXPAND THIS THROUGHOUT THE
06:06:14 CITY AND MAYBE EVEN BEYOND.
06:06:15 AND WHAT THEY FOUND IN THE STUDY WAS THAT IT'S VERY
06:06:19 EXPENSIVE.
06:06:19 IT WAS COST PROHIBITIVE BACK THEN.
06:06:23 IN 2011, THE STUDY WAS USED KIND OF AS A BASIS TO LOOK AT
06:06:27 DOING SOME SMALL EXTENSIONS EVEN IN SOUTH TAMPA WHERE THE
06:06:31 SYSTEM ALREADY EXISTED, AND EVEN THAT WAS FOUND TO BE
06:06:35 COST PROHIBITIVE.
06:06:36 SO ONE OF THE KEY ASSUMPTIONS JUST TO REMIND WHAT YOU THE
06:06:40 OPTION IS YOU HAVE TO OFFSET THE DRINKING WATER DEMAND
06:06:43 WITH THE IRRIGATION THAT'S PROVIDED FROM THE RECLAIMED OR
06:06:45 YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANOTHER PROJECT TO MAKE UP FOR
06:06:48 THAT DIFFERENCE.
06:06:49 THIS GRAPHIC, I APOLOGIZE.
06:06:57 IT'S HARD TO SEE.
06:06:58 HAD A BLURRY COPY.
06:07:00 I WANTED TO POINT OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS THE
06:07:03 ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THAT 2009 STUDY WAS
06:07:08 ALTERNATIVE 2.
06:07:10 AND BACK THEN, THAT COST ABOUT $341 MILLION.
06:07:14 BUT IMPORTANT TO NOTE -- I APOLOGIZE -- IT ONLY REPLACED
06:07:19 12.2 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF DRINKING WATER NEEDS.
06:07:23 AND IN 2040, WE'RE GOING TO NEED 16 MILLION GALLONS A
06:07:28 DAY.
06:07:29 SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT.
06:07:31 WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE OPTION, WHEN WE DID THE
06:07:34 ANALYSIS, WAS THE ONE THAT CAN OFFSET 24.7 MILLION GALS
06:07:38 DAY.
06:07:39 BACK THEN, THAT COST $1.4 BILLION ROUGHLY.
06:07:43 AND AS WE TRUED UP THE NUMBERS, IT'S 1.7 BILLION TODAY.
06:07:47 SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW WE GOT TO THAT BEFORE I SHOW
06:07:53 YOU THE BAD NEWS.
06:07:54 THE BENEFITS FOR THIS PROJECT, THERE IS A REGULATORY
06:07:58 PATHWAY THAT EXISTS.
06:07:59 IT IS PERMITTABLE.
06:08:00 IT DOES REMOVE NUTRIENTS FROM THE BAY.
06:08:03 IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT FUNDING.
06:08:06 IT DOES PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL WATER SOURCE BECAUSE IT
06:08:09 OFFSETS WATER THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FROM THE REGION
06:08:11 OTHERWISE.
06:08:12 AND IT DOES PROVIDE A REGIONAL COST SAVINGS IF THE CITY
06:08:15 OF TAMPA BUILDS IT AND PAYS FOR IT.
06:08:18 THE NET PRESENT VALUE I MENTIONED, WELL, IT'S CLOSE TO
06:08:23 1.8 BILLION.
06:08:24 THE CAPITAL COST IS REALLY WHERE THINGS COME FROM.
06:08:29 AND AS WE GET INTO DISCUSSING THIS AND GETTING PUBLIC
06:08:33 FEEDBACK, WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND
06:08:36 LOOK AT MANY DIFFERENT ITERATIONS.
06:08:38 BUT FOR THIS ANALYSIS, THIS IS HOW WE LOOKED AT THIS.
06:08:43 THE O & M NET PRESENT VALUE WAS AT 68 MILLION.
06:08:47 THIS OPTION DOES NOTHING FOR THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER
06:08:50 MINIMUM FLOWS OR IN THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE SALINITY AT
06:08:53 SULPHUR SPRINGS.
06:08:54 IT DOESN'T PROVIDE A SALTWATER INTRUSION BARRIER, AND
06:08:56 THERE COULD BE SOME POTENTIAL REGULATORY ISSUES DOWN THE
06:09:00 ROAD.
06:09:00 WHEN YOU HAVE A PURPLE PIPE SYSTEM AND ONE OF THE PIPES
06:09:04 BREAKS, YOU HAVE TO REPORT IT.
06:09:06 IT'S A REPORTABLE EVENT.
06:09:07 AND IN THE FUTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE MIGHT EVEN BE A
06:09:10 FINE EVERY TIME YOU HAVE A MAIN BREAK ON A RECLAIMED
06:09:14 WATER SYSTEM.
06:09:15 THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL QUAGMIRE IF WE HAVE ALL THESE
06:09:18 PIPES RUNNING THROUGH OUR WHOLE SYSTEM, LET ALONE THE
06:09:21 SMALL SYSTEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
06:09:23 THIS IS THE BIG ONE.
06:09:29 THIS IS THE SUMMARY THAT KIND OF SHOWS ALL THOSE
06:09:31 DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
06:09:33 CAPITAL COSTS, O & M COST, TOTAL NET PRESENT VALUE, AND
06:09:37 THEN IT SHOWS THE CONSIDERATIONS AND HOW EACH PROJECT
06:09:41 STACKS UP AGAINST ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE TALKED
06:09:43 ABOUT.
06:09:43 I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH THE TABLE AGAIN.
06:09:48 I THINK WE COVERED ALL THIS STUFF IN DETAIL.
06:09:51 I'LL MOVE RIGHT ON TO KIND OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
06:09:55 AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER THIS WORKSHOP WASN'T DESIGNED TO
06:09:57 CHOOSE AN OPTION.
06:09:58 I DIDN'T GO INTO NEAR THE DETAIL THAT WE NEED TO
06:10:01 OPPORTUNITY CHOOSE AN OPTION.
06:10:02 THIS IS MERELY TO INTRODUCE THE OPTIONS.
06:10:04 WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION.
06:10:08 WE NEED MORE PUBLIC INPUT.
06:10:10 WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED SUSTAINABLE WATER SOURCE
06:10:13 IN THE FUTURE.
06:10:14 AND WE NEED DROUGHT-PROOFING RIGHT NOW.
06:10:16 WE DEFINITELY WANT TO AVOID COMING BACK TO THE PUBLIC
06:10:21 ASKING FOR ANOTHER RATE INCREASE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO
06:10:26 AFTER YOU CONSIDER THIS ONE THIS YEAR.
06:10:28 WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP -- THE NEXT STEPS, WE WANT TO
06:10:33 LOOK TOWARDS PUBLIC INPUT.
06:10:34 YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO RETAIN A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FIRM
06:10:39 AND HAVE THEM ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON ALL FOUR OF THESE
06:10:42 OPTIONS.
06:10:43 WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE OPTIONS AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE
06:10:45 NEED TO CHOOSE AN OPTION.
06:10:47 SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS.
06:10:50 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:10:50 I NOW COUNCILMAN GUDES HAD A QUESTION AND THEN COUNCILMAN
06:10:53 CARLSON.
06:10:54 AND WHOEVER AFTER THAT.
06:10:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE]
06:11:03 >>LUIS VIERA: ARE YOU SURE YOU NEED THAT CAFFEINE?
06:11:05 >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILMAN VIERA, MY
06:11:07 CONFLICT IS NOT WITH YOU OR MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH YOU.
06:11:10 I APOLOGIZE --
06:11:10 >>LUIS VIERA: HEY, LISTEN.
06:11:13 WE ALL HAVE OUR MOMENTS.
06:11:15 I TAKE NOTHING PERSONAL.
06:11:16 >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD SPEND THE NEXT FOUR HOURS, WE
06:11:19 COULD BE HERE UNTIL 2:00, 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND GO
06:11:21 THROUGH EVERY DETAIL AND I'LL PROVE THAT THERE IS SKEWING
06:11:24 AND MANIPULATION OF THE DATA AND MANIPULATION OF THE
06:11:28 WORDS AND THE EXAMPLE I GAVE NOW IS WATER QUALITY WHICH
06:11:31 EVERY ENGINEER I SPOKE TO DISAGREES WITH.
06:11:33 THE OTHER MEMBER GOVERNMENTS IN THE REGION DRINK THAT
06:11:35 WATER, AND FOR SOME REASON, THE CITY OF TAMPA SAYS THAT
06:11:39 THE WATER QUALITY IS BAD.
06:11:40 THE DIFFERENCE IS THE SOURCE IS DIFFERENT.
06:11:42 YOU JUST SAW BY THEIR TREATMENT THAT THEY ARE TREATING IT
06:11:46 DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE A DIFFERENT SOURCE.
06:11:48 WE NEED OTHER ENGINEERS TO COME IN HERE TO SHOW THIS.
06:11:51 I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO AN AUDIT ON THIS PROCESS.
06:11:54 CITY COUNCIL BY CHARTER HAS A RIGHT TO DO AN AUDIT.
06:11:56 I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO AN AUDIT TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS
06:12:00 FROM START TO FINISH.
06:12:02 TO LOOK AT THE E-MAILS, THE CORRESPONDENCE, TO LOOK AT
06:12:04 THE OUTSIDE MANIPULATION BY OTHER GROUPS.
06:12:06 SHORT OF AN AUDIT, THIS IS IN NO WAY FACTUAL AND READY TO
06:12:11 GO TO THE PUBLIC.
06:12:12 IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BY A THIRD PARTY.
06:12:16 MS. McLEAN SUGGESTED IN MY CONVERSATION WITH HER THE
06:12:21 OTHER DAY, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO TO AWWA OR SOME OTHER
06:12:25 INDUSTRY GROUP.
06:12:26 GET A PEER REVIEW, GET CONSULTANTS WHO WOULD NOT GET
06:12:30 CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
06:12:32 SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS AND VALIDATE IT.
06:12:34 I CAN GO THROUGH THIS OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS, BUT THE
06:12:37 LAST OPTION THAT WE'RE USING OLD DATA, WE NEED 16 MGD IN
06:12:43 21 YEARS, AND WE'RE GOING TO PICK AN OPTION THAT REQUIRES
06:12:47 24 MGD.
06:12:48 THERE'S SOME MANIPULATION OF THE MONIES TO TRY TO SELL.
06:12:51 I CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS IF YOU ALL WANT AND I
06:12:54 CAN RIP EVERY PART OF THIS APART.
06:12:56 BUT THE THING I WOULD URGE YOU ALL TO DO IS TO LOOK AT
06:12:59 THIS WITH SUSPICION AND LET'S FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO
06:13:03 VALIDATE IT BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO THE PUBLIC.
06:13:05 THE LAST COMMENT I'LL MAKE, UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO GO
06:13:08 THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS IS WHEN WE MADE THE MOTION, I
06:13:11 MADE THE MOTION TO PUT SEPTEMBER 5th ON THE AGENDA, TO
06:13:14 APPROVE THE 3.2, TO REVIEW THE 3.2 BILLION, I SAID, AND
06:13:19 YOU ALL APPROVED, THAT WE WANTED ROBUST PUBLIC
06:13:22 ENGAGEMENT.
06:13:23 THEY DID FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THEY PRESENTED CAFE CON
06:13:28 TAMPA.
06:13:28 I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY DID.
06:13:29 I WENT TO THREE MEETINGS AND MY AIDE ALL FOUR.
06:13:32 WE HAD MORE PEOPLE AT THE CAFE THAN ALL THE OTHER FOUR
06:13:35 PUBLIC MEETINGS.
06:13:36 IN THE ONE LAST NIGHT, THE STAFF ALMOST, OTHER THAN SOME
06:13:39 STUDENTS, THE STAFF OUTNUMBERED THE ATTENDEES.
06:13:44 THERE WAS NOT VERY MUCH COMMUNICATION ON IT.
06:13:46 WE'LL WALK INTO NEXT THURSDAY, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
06:13:49 PUBLICLY ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON IT.
06:13:51 I ASSUME THAT THE NUMBERS AND INFORMATION THEY PRESENTED
06:13:53 WAS FACTUAL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT.
06:13:57 BUT THEY DIDN'T ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
06:13:59 IF WE SEND IT TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S GOING TO BE A WHITE
06:14:02 WASH.
06:14:02 WE'RE GOING TO SEND THEM SOMETHING NOT FACTUALLY
06:14:05 ACCURATE, THAT USES TERMS THAT AREN'T ACCURATE.
06:14:07 AND THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC IN A
06:14:09 HALFHEARTED WAY AND COME BACK AND TELL US THE SAME THING
06:14:12 THEY ALREADY DID, THAT TAP IS THE BEST PROJECT.
06:14:14 THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT THAT.
06:14:16 THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THE NUMBERS.
06:14:18 THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST THE CITY.
06:14:20 IT'S NOT THE MAYOR.
06:14:21 THE PUBLIC LOVES AND TRUSTS THE MAYOR.
06:14:23 THE PUBLIC I ASSUME LOVES AND TRUSTS THE NEW CHIEF OF
06:14:25 STAFF.
06:14:26 BUT FOR SOME REASON, THIS DEPARTMENT KEEPS PUSHING THIS
06:14:31 PROJECT.
06:14:31 WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHY.
06:14:32 WE NEED A THIRD PARTY TO REVIEW IT.
06:14:35 THANK YOU.
06:14:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, LIKE I SAID, I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL
06:14:50 EARLIER.
06:14:50 I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO READ ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS.
06:14:54 APPARENTLY, THERE WAS A MEETING ON JUNE 17, 2019, AND THE
06:14:58 MINUTES OF THE MEETING SENT TO YOU.
06:15:00 APPARENTLY, THERE WAS A VOTE AT THAT MEETING.
06:15:03 I'M JUST CONCERNED, WHAT ARE OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS
06:15:06 WITH TAMPA BAY WATER AND ALSO ABOUT THIS VOTE THAT WAS
06:15:09 TAKEN IN REFERENCE TO POSSIBLE OUTSIDE SOURCE LOOKING
06:15:13 INTO THIS PROJECT?
06:15:15 I THINK MR. MIRANDA SOMEHOW WITHDREW FROM THE ISSUE.
06:15:19 MAYBE HE CAN SPEAK ON THAT.
06:15:21 I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I'VE READ.
06:15:23 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS INFORMATION?
06:15:29 >>CHUCK WEBER: I'LL DEFER TO JAN.
06:15:30 SHE WAS THERE.
06:15:32 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. GUDES, MR. CHAIR, AND THE COUNCIL.
06:15:35 JANUARY McLEAN, OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
06:15:38 I DID APPEAR OVER THE LAST YEAR AT EACH OF THE BOARD
06:15:42 MEETINGS AT TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THIS ONE ESPECIALLY,
06:15:46 WHICH WAS THE MEETING AT WHICH A COOPERATIVE FUNDING
06:15:51 AGREEMENT BETWEEN TAMPA BAY WATER AND THE CITY OF TAMPA
06:15:55 WAS TO BE CONSIDERED FOR $1.6 MILLION, WHICH WAS THE
06:16:01 MONEY THAT TAMPA BAY WATER HAD OFFERED TO THE CITY IN
06:16:05 LIEU OF MONEY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SEEK FROM THE
06:16:07 SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO HELP
06:16:11 COFUND THE NEXT PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
06:16:13 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK ME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
06:16:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH IT
06:16:23 BECAUSE IT WAS LATE WHEN MY AIDE SENT UP THE E-MAIL.
06:16:28 I WANT TO KNOW THE PARTICULARS OF IT.
06:16:30 WHEN I SAW MR. MIRANDA'S NAME, HE WITHDREW FROM THE
06:16:36 ISSUE.
06:16:36 I WANTED A LITTLE VIEW OF WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT AND THE
06:16:39 OBLIGATION WITH TAMPA BAY WATER, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IN
06:16:42 THE PRESENTATION THAT TAMPA BAY DOESN'T AGREE WITH SOME
06:16:45 OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO VERSUS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
06:16:50 WHAT OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE.
06:16:54 >>JAN McLEAN: I CAN GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND ON THE CITY
06:16:56 OF TAMPA'S MEMBERSHIP WITHIN TAMPA BAY WATER TO GIVE YOU
06:16:59 THE CONTEXT OF THE ACTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN PURSUING OVER
06:17:05 THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS.
06:17:06 AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN, I KNOW IN CONVERSATIONS
06:17:13 PREVIOUSLY, TAMPA BAY WATER WAS CREATED OUT OF A PREVIOUS
06:17:16 WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY THEN KNOWN AS THE WEST COAST
06:17:19 REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY THAT WAS A SUBSCRIPTION
06:17:23 BASED WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY AND HAD ITS OWN ISSUES THAT
06:17:28 AROSE OVER THE COURSE OF THE EARLY '90s, WHICH MOST
06:17:31 PEOPLE REGARD AS CREATING WATER WARS.
06:17:33 THE MEMBERS WERE CREATING LITIGATION AMONGST THEMSELVES
06:17:38 BECAUSE EACH MEMBER OWNED PROPERTY IN A WELLFIELD OUTSIDE
06:17:41 OF THEIR JURISDICTION.
06:17:43 THERE HAD BEEN UNANTICIPATED ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL
06:17:45 IMPACTS THAT AROSE FROM WITHDRAWALS DURING THAT TIME, AND
06:17:49 THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT SOUGHT TO REDUCE THE
06:17:54 QUANTITY OF WATER THAT WAS BEING WITHDRAWN IN ORDER TO
06:17:56 AMELIORATE THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
06:18:01 THE LEGISLATURE SOUGHT DURING THAT TIME TO CREATE A
06:18:05 DIFFERENT WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY AND ENUMERATED IN
06:18:09 CHAPTER 373 WHAT THAT WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY WAS GOING TO
06:18:12 BE BASED ON.
06:18:13 AND HENCE, TAMPA BAY WATER AFTER ABOUT A YEAR OF WHAT WE
06:18:23 CALL THE COMMITTEE OF 18, WHICH WAS THREE REPRESENTATIVES
06:18:26 FROM EACH OF THEIR MEMBER GOVERNMENTS MET TO CREATE WHAT
06:18:31 IS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AMENDED AND RESTATED
06:18:32 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OF 1998, WHICH IS THE GOVERNANCE
06:18:38 DOCUMENT OF TAMPA BAY WATER.
06:18:39 OF THE FIVE MEMBERS, THERE ARE THREE COUNTIES AND THREE
06:18:42 CITIES, AND WE ARE A MEMBER, A FULL-FLEDGE MEMBER, ALBEIT
06:18:48 THAT WE ARE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MEMBER.
06:18:50 BECAUSE WHEN WE AGREED TO BECOME A MEMBER, WE RETAINED
06:18:54 OUR WATER SUPPLY, OUR CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT WHICH ALLOWS
06:18:58 US TO WITHDRAW 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY ANNUAL AVERAGE
06:19:01 FROM THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
06:19:03 THERE WERE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS IN THERE AS WELL BECAUSE
06:19:06 WE WERE RELYING ON SURFACE WATER.
06:19:09 WE HAD MORRIS BRIDGE WELLFIELD, AND I'M GOING INTO
06:19:13 TECHNICAL HERE, WHICH WAS OUR PEAKING FACILITY, WHICH
06:19:16 SUPPORTED THE WITHDRAWALS FROM THE RIVER.
06:19:18 BUT WHEN YOU BECAME A MEMBER, ALL GROUNDWATER FACILITIES
06:19:20 WERE SOLD TO THE WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY, AND WE WERE LEFT
06:19:25 WITH OUR 82 MGD.
06:19:27 AND THAT'S THE MORRIS BRIDGE FACILITY TO WHICH MR. WEBER
06:19:32 ADDRESSED EARLIER.
06:19:35 SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE YEARS, 20 YEARS LATER,
06:19:38 WE FIND OURSELVES, OF COURSE, STILL A MEMBER, BUT THERE
06:19:41 ARE RESTRICTIONS ON BEING A MEMBER.
06:19:45 ONE, THAT TAMPA BAY WATER IS THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE
06:19:49 PROVIDER, WHOLESALE PROVIDER OF WATER TO ALL OF ITS
06:19:52 MEMBERS EXCEPT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE WE
06:19:56 SELF-SUPPLY THE FIRST 82.
06:19:58 ACTUALLY IN A SMALL QUANTITY, EACH OF THE OTHER MEMBERS
06:20:01 HAVE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMITS BECAUSE SITUATIONS WOULD
06:20:05 HAVE ARISEN WHERE THEY HAVE ACQUIRED WHAT THEY CALL
06:20:11 ISOLATED FACILITIES.
06:20:11 YOU OFFER IT BACK TO THE WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY.
06:20:14 IF THEY DON'T WANT TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THEIR SYSTEM,
06:20:17 THEN A MEMBER IS ALLOWED TO KEEP THAT.
06:20:19 PASCO COUNTY HAS ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT I CAN REMEMBER,
06:20:23 AND I THINK OTHER MEMBERS DO AS WELL.
06:20:24 AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING THE
06:20:31 AUGMENTATION PROJECT, WE HAD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
06:20:36 WHAT RESTRICTIONS OUR MEMBERSHIP WITHIN TAMPA BAY WATER
06:20:40 MIGHT IMPOSE ON US.
06:20:43 I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL BUT I'LL FOLLOW THROUGH
06:20:52 UNTIL YOU STOP ME.
06:20:53 WE OFFERED REVISIONS TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WHICH WE
06:20:56 CALLED THE RED-LINE DOCUMENT.
06:20:57 IT BROUGHT THE MEMBERS TO THE FOREFRONT ON HOW WE COULD
06:21:01 INCORPORATE RECLAIMED WATER PROJECTS INTO THE MEMBERSHIP
06:21:05 OF TAMPA BAY WATER.
06:21:06 AND BECAUSE WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST TO BRING THIS
06:21:10 FORWARD IN ADDITION TO SUPPORTING OUR 82 MGD, WE WERE
06:21:16 PROPOSING THAT WE WOULD SELF-SUPPLY A POTENTIAL AMOUNT OF
06:21:20 WATER OVER THE 82 FOR GROWTH.
06:21:22 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ALSO HAS A RECLAIMED WATER PROJECT,
06:21:25 WHICH IS KNOWN AS SOUTH HILLSBOROUGH AREA REGIONAL
06:21:31 SOMETHING PROJECT.
06:21:31 SHARP.
06:21:32 BUT THEIR PROJECT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE INTERLOCAL
06:21:39 AGREEMENT.
06:21:40 IT DOESN'T CONTRAVENE ANY OF THE CONDITIONS OF BEING A
06:21:45 MEMBER.
06:21:45 LET'S JUST SAY THERE WAS PUSH-BACK FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS
06:21:55 OF TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THERE WERE DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT
06:21:59 WERE TAKEN.
06:22:01 WE PROPOSED -- WELL, IF THE TAMPA BAY WATER MEMBERSHIP
06:22:05 DIDN'T WANT TO -- WE WERE PROPOSING TO REVISE THE
06:22:09 INTERLOCAL BECAUSE THEY WERE RELYING ON THE CURRENT
06:22:12 LEGISLATION, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD CHANGE THE LEGISLATION.
06:22:15 WE OFFERED REVISED -- REVISIONS TO THE STATUTE.
06:22:20 IT DIDN'T PASS, BUT IT BROUGHT TOGETHER A GROUP FROM
06:22:25 TAMPA BAY WATER AND THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE WATER
06:22:27 MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT FACILITATED A CONVERSATION OVER
06:22:30 THE COURSE OF SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS THAT CREATED THE TAMPA
06:22:34 BAY AUGMENTATION PROJECT MOU AND AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS
06:22:39 CONSIDERED OVER THE COURSE OF SIX OR EIGHT TAMPA BAY
06:22:44 WATER MEETINGS, WHICH WAS NEGOTIATED IN FRONT OF THE
06:22:48 BOARD.
06:22:48 FAST-FORWARD TO JUNE, WE HAD BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THE
06:22:55 TAMPA BAY WATER BOARD FOR DIFFERENT CLAUSES TO BE ADDED
06:22:59 TO THIS AGREEMENT.
06:23:00 AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE SESSION HAD ENDED.
06:23:04 THE DISTRICT HAD MADE A DETERMINATION THAT OUR PROJECT
06:23:07 WAS NOT GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR COFUNDING BECAUSE OF A
06:23:11 POLICY THAT THEY'VE ADOPTED, WHICH IS IF YOU ARE A MEMBER
06:23:14 OF A REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY, THEN TO DEVELOP AN
06:23:18 ALTERNATIVE SOURCE OF WATER, YOU HAD TO HAVE PERMISSION
06:23:21 FROM THE WATER SUPPLY AUTHORITY.
06:23:22 AND IF YOU HAVE THAT PERMISSION, YOU WERE ELIGIBLE FOR
06:23:28 COFUNDING, BUT WE HADN'T GOTTEN THE PERMISSION BECAUSE WE
06:23:31 WERE TRYING TO GET THE PERMISSION THROUGH THE COURSE OF
06:23:34 THE AGREEMENT.
06:23:34 THE OFFER FOR THE 1.6 FROM TAMPA BAY WATER CAME IN THE
06:23:42 FORM OF AN AGREEMENT TO WHICH WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO
06:23:46 NEGOTIATE BEFORE WE ENDED UP IN FRONT OF THE TAMPA BAY
06:23:48 WATER BOARD.
06:23:49 ONCE I RECEIVED THE AGREEMENT, I OFFERED REVISIONS.
06:23:55 THERE WERE GOOD BASIS THAT WE BELIEVE FOR THE REVISIONS.
06:24:00 THEY WERE REBUFFED BY TAMPA BAY WATER, AND THEY ADOPTED
06:24:05 THEIR VERSION OF THE AGREEMENT, WHICH WE SAID WE COULDN'T
06:24:08 AGREE TO THEIR CLAUSES.
06:24:10 AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH AN
06:24:13 AGREEMENT, IF ONE PARTY WALKS AWAY FROM THE TABLE, THAT'S
06:24:17 WHAT WE DID WITH MR. MIRANDA AS YOU INDICATED, WITHDRAWAL
06:24:20 OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THE 1.6.
06:24:23 I THINK THAT BRINGS THE CONTEXT.
06:24:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I APPRECIATE THAT.
06:24:29 MY FINAL QUESTION, LET'S SAY WE TRY TO GO FORTH WITH
06:24:32 THIS.
06:24:33 IS THERE GOING TO BE LEGAL RAMIFICATION WITH TAMPA BAY
06:24:35 WATER, ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY TYPE OF ISSUES?
06:24:42 >>JAN McLEAN: THAT IN SIX NUMBERS AND I WOULDN'T BE IN
06:24:44 HERE TONIGHT, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD FORETELL
06:24:48 WHAT TAMPA BAY WATER WOULD DO AS FAR AS OR ANY SINGLE
06:24:53 MEMBER WOULD DO AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF LEGAL PROCESS.
06:24:56 WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE PATH OF
06:25:00 TRUE REGIONAL NEGOTIATION AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA BAY WATER
06:25:05 IN NEGOTIATING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF TAMPA BAY
06:25:09 WATER AS AN ENTITY AND WITH THE MEMBERS.
06:25:14 AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE WITHDRAWN FROM THE
06:25:21 CONSIDERATION THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD BEEN NEGOTIATING
06:25:23 FOR SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS.
06:25:25 WE'VE WITHDRAWN FROM CONSIDERATION, OBVIOUSLY, AS I JUST
06:25:28 INDICATED, THE COOPERATIVE FUNDING AGREEMENT, AND WE ARE
06:25:32 HERE TONIGHT BEFORE YOU AND WITH THE MAYOR TO MAKE A
06:25:38 DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER WE WOULD BE PURSUING THAT
06:25:41 PROJECT OR SOME ALTERNATIVE THEREUNDER.
06:25:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:25:45 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:25:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
06:25:48 I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER EVERYTHING JAN SAID.
06:25:50 I MORE LIKELY COULDN'T PRESENT IT ANY BETTER THAN SHE
06:25:53 DID.
06:25:53 LET'S GO FROM 1998 TO ABOUT THE YEAR 2000.
06:26:01 WITHIN THOSE TWO YEARS, THE CITY OF TAMPA OFFERED TAMPA
06:26:04 BAY WATER ABOUT THE SAME PROCESS BUT UNDER -- IT WAS
06:26:13 CALLED. AND THE MEMBERS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE FINAL
06:26:13 THREE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT.
06:26:15 SO THAT'S FINE.
06:26:16 THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO, AND WE CONTINUED DOING WHAT
06:26:19 WE HAD TO DO.
06:26:19 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AROUND AND YOU START TO
06:26:22 UNDERSTAND, AND JAN TOUCHED ON SOMETHING THAT IS VERY
06:26:24 CRITICAL, IN MY MIND ANYWAY.
06:26:26 WHEN SOMETHING IS CHANGED JUST BY POLICY, NOT BY RULE, OR
06:26:30 NOT BY LAW, AND ALL OF THE NINE MEMBERS OF THAT BODY GOT
06:26:35 ELECTED JUST LIKE THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF THIS BODY,
06:26:38 INCLUDING THE MAYOR IS EIGHT.
06:26:42 LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS, BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, WE COULD GO
06:26:45 DIRECTLY TO SOUTHWEST WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND
06:26:50 PRESENT OUR CASE.
06:26:51 MEETS THE CRITERIA AND EITHER YOU GET IT OR DON'T GET
06:26:55 YOUR FUNDING.
06:26:56 THERE ARE 16 COUNTIES.
06:26:57 EVERY YEAR, ALL THOSE 16 COUNTIES, THERE IS A LITTLE
06:27:00 THING ON YOUR -- AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU PAY YOUR
06:27:03 BILL, YOUR TAX ON AD VALOREM TAXES, SOMETHING VERY SMALL.
06:27:06 $3.50 OR EIGHT DOLLARS, WHATEVER IT IS TO HELP SUPPORT
06:27:10 THE AGENCY.
06:27:10 I AGREE WITH THAT IS THE BEST WAY.
06:27:14 IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, S.W.F.W.M.D., YOU
06:27:16 HAVE A MOB.
06:27:18 EVERYTHING WOULD BE GOING CRAZY.
06:27:20 NO ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION TO SPEAK OF.
06:27:24 NO WATER SUPPLY LIKE WE ENJOY NOW.
06:27:26 I AGREE WITH THAT.
06:27:27 HOWEVER, NOW WE HAVE TO APPLY TO THE AGENCY THAT WE SIT
06:27:32 IN, AND THEY THEMSELVES ARE APPLYING FOR GRANTS.
06:27:36 I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
06:27:40 I'M SAYING THAT IT LOOKS KIND OF AWKWARD AT BEST.
06:27:44 WE HAVE TO COMPETE AGAINST THE ONE WE'RE ASKING FOR -- I
06:27:49 NEVER SAID THIS TO ANYBODY, BUT IT BROUGHT UP ABOUT,
06:27:52 LISTEN, THE FBI COULD COME CHECK ME, MY PHONE, MY WATER
06:27:55 BILL, MY MONEY, ANYTHING THEY WANT.
06:27:57 I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.
06:28:00 I'M NOT THE PRESIDENT.
06:28:01 LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN THAT TO BE FUNNY AND
06:28:04 I DON'T MEAN THAT TO DISGRACE ANY PRESIDENT.
06:28:07 I DIDN'T SAY PRESIDENT OF WHAT.
06:28:08 SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS, YOU START TO UNDERSTAND,
06:28:13 WHERE I SIT AT, IT'S NOT A CITY COUNCIL POSITION.
06:28:17 MAYOR GRECO APPOINTED ME THERE.
06:28:23 MAYOR IORIO APPOINTED ME THERE.
06:28:25 MAYOR BUCKHORN APPOINTED ME THERE.
06:28:27 NOW MAYOR CASTOR EXTENDED THE APPOINTMENT.
06:28:31 WHAT I SEE COMING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE LENGTH OF
06:28:34 TIME -- YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORD, NOT ONLY OF THE CITY OF
06:28:37 TAMPA, BUT YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORDS OF TAMPA BAY WATER
06:28:39 OR ANYONE ELSE THAT'S IN THE WATER BUSINESS AND YOU HAVE
06:28:43 TO LOOK -- HOW FAR IN ADVANCE DO YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO GET
06:28:46 WHAT YOU NEED BY THAT POINT THAT YOU NEED IT.
06:28:49 IT'S NOT THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS.
06:28:50 I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
06:28:52 IT TAKES THAT LONG JUST TO GET PERMITS AND THE
06:28:55 UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, HOW YOU'RE
06:28:57 GOING TO DO IT AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FIX IT AND WHAT
06:29:00 THE RESULTS WILL BE.
06:29:00 YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE STUDIES DONE AND NOT BY ME,
06:29:03 PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE THAT DO WATER
06:29:06 BUSINESS, AND THEY ARE ULTRA, ULTRAINTELLIGENT AND
06:29:08 ULTRACONSERVATIVE.
06:29:11 SO THEN, WHAT HAPPENS?
06:29:12 IN MY OPINION, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYONE.
06:29:17 I'VE GOT MY OWN OPINION OF THIS, THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
06:29:20 DOING THE RIGHT THING TO PRESENT IT.
06:29:23 WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT, PEOPLE MEANING
06:29:26 THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, IT'S UP TO THEM.
06:29:28 I'M ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE VOTE. I NEVER ASKED ANYONE
06:29:32 TO VOTE MY WAY.
06:29:34 I NEVER ASKED FOR ANY FAVORS FROM THIS BOARD, FROM THE
06:29:37 TAMPA BAY WATER BOARD, OR FROM ANY BOARD I'VE EVER SERVED
06:29:41 ON.
06:29:41 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IN GENERAL IS, THE CITY OF TAMPA IS
06:29:46 LIKE JOHNNY CARSON WOULD SAY, YOU'VE HIT THE FORK IN THE
06:29:49 ROAD, WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE?
06:29:51 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
06:29:56 YOU CAN TAKE THE ROAD TO FIX SOMETHING OR YOU CAN TAKE
06:30:01 THE ROAD AND LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.
06:30:02 NOT JUST IN THE MONEY THAT WE'VE LOST, BUT I GUARANTEE
06:30:08 YOU, THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND I CAN GO FURTHER BACK, BUT
06:30:12 THE LAST THREE YEARS BETWEEN THE 1,201 WATER BREAKS THAT
06:30:17 WE'VE HAD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK
06:30:21 THAT THE WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT HAS SPENT IN EQUALS ABOUT
06:30:25 $20 MILLION A YEAR.
06:30:26 IF THAT'S THE STANDARD TODAY, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE
06:30:32 STANDARD TEN MORE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
06:30:33 YOU THINK IT WILL BE 20?
06:30:35 THINK GO DOWN TO 15?
06:30:37 IT WILL GO UP TO 30.
06:30:39 I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT PROBABILITY TELLS ME IT'S NOT
06:30:41 GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.
06:30:43 SO I'D SAY 20 YEARS, $20 MILLION A YEAR, YOU DON'T DO
06:30:50 ANYTHING, HOW MUCH IS THAT?
06:30:51 THAT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
06:30:58 WE ARE ON THE THRESHOLD OF EITHER HAVING WHAT WE NEED.
06:31:03 THESE FIGURES ARE NOT MINE.
06:31:05 THE FIGURE OF POPULATION GROWTH IS NOT MINE, BUT I CAN
06:31:08 TELL YOU THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN IN TAMPA FOR WHATEVER
06:31:12 REASON ARE COMING BACK TO LIVE HERE AND MAINLY THOSE IN
06:31:15 THE MIDWEST ARE COMING TO LIVE HERE.
06:31:19 THE STATE OF FLORIDA GETS BETWEEN 800 AND A THOUSAND
06:31:22 PEOPLE A DAY MOVING IN.
06:31:23 AGAIN, I CAN'T BUILD THE WALL.
06:31:26 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FASTEST
06:31:30 GROWING COUNTIES IN THE REGION, IF NOT "THE" FASTEST.
06:31:33 FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY PASCO.
06:31:35 THE CITY OF TAMPA BEING THE HUB OF THE BIGGEST CITY,
06:31:40 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IS GOING TO GET ONE, MORE LIKELY, 35
06:31:44 TO 40 PERCENT OF THAT INCREASE IN POPULATION, WHATEVER
06:31:48 THAT NUMBER IS.
06:31:48 SO WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN 20 YEARS HAVE PASSED,
06:31:55 AND YOU GOT NOW INSTEAD OF HAVING 380 MILLION, YOU HAVE
06:31:59 480 MILLION?
06:32:00 THAT'S JUST A GUESSTIMATE.
06:32:06 FROM THE FIGURES I'VE SEEN.
06:32:08 WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
06:32:14 DO WE GO BACK AND REGRESS, AND SAY, OH, THE COUNCIL DID
06:32:17 THE RIGHT THING OR THE COUNCIL DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL?
06:32:20 I CAN TELL YOU I ALSO TALKED TO WATER ENGINEERS.
06:32:23 I'LL ASK THEM TO COME IF THEY WANT TO SHOW THEIR FACTS
06:32:27 AND FIGURES HERE.
06:32:29 NOT ONE OF THEM HAS TOLD ME THAT THIS IS NOT A VIABLE
06:32:32 SITUATION.
06:32:33 AND THESE ENGINEERS HAVE WORKED IN WATER THEIR WHOLE
06:32:40 LIFE.
06:32:41 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING YOU LIKE, YOU
06:32:45 CAN BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU WANT.
06:32:47 THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT.
06:32:48 WE FORGOT ABOUT THAT PART, BUT I'VE NEVER, EVER SAT IN A
06:32:55 POSITION WHERE THE VOTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE WHENEVER
06:32:57 THAT DATE DETERMINES TO BE, THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE I'VE
06:33:01 EVER TAKEN IN MY 25 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
06:33:05 IT'S ALSO THE MOST COST FEASIBLE.
06:33:10 BUT IF IT'S NOT DONE, WHERE ARE WE GOING.
06:33:13 WE TRIED TO DO THE OPTION OF RECLAIMED WATER UNTIL WE
06:33:23 REALIZED UNTIL WE GOT INTO IT, IT WAS FINE, BUT THE COST
06:33:26 AND THE RATIO WHAT YOU SAVED NEVER MATCHED UP.
06:33:29 SO WE HAD TO STOP IT, AND WE TOOK SOME HEAT.
06:33:34 YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE THEM, THEY SIT IN THESE OFFICES,
06:33:38 NEVER THINK OF AN ELECTION.
06:33:40 WHATEVER YOU DO, DO I REALLY CAMPAIGN?
06:33:43 NO.
06:33:44 I CAMPAIGN 364 DAYS A YEAR.
06:33:47 ELECTION DAY, I DON'T DO ANYTHING.
06:33:48 I RAISE MONEY AND GIVE MOST OF IT BACK.
06:33:52 IF I GET ELECTED, I SERVE.
06:33:54 AND IF I DON'T GET ELECTED, I SERVE MYSELF.
06:33:57 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THESE VOTES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE
06:34:01 TAKING IN THE FUTURE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOTE IN MY 25
06:34:06 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
06:34:08 NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, REALIZE THE OTHER SIDE.
06:34:11 IF YOU'RE ON THIS SIDE, REALIZE THE OTHER SIDE.
06:34:13 AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES AMERICA GREAT.
06:34:15 WE FORGOT ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
06:34:17 WE THINK ABOUT IDEAS, AND NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, I DON'T
06:34:21 KNOW HOW THEY CAN THINK OF ALL THESE IDEAS UP THERE, BUT
06:34:24 THEY DO THEM.
06:34:25 AND NONE OF THEM HAS WORKED.
06:34:27 YOU HAVE TO HAVE COOPERATION AND UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN
06:34:29 ONE ANOTHER, TO REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON.
06:34:33 AM I PERFECT?
06:34:34 NEVER.
06:34:34 I'VE NEVER BEEN PERFECT.
06:34:36 AM I EVER GOING TO BE PERFECT?
06:34:38 NO.
06:34:39 BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE ELSE THAT'S
06:34:43 PERFECT.
06:34:43 WHAT I'M SAYING AGAIN IS ALL OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE,
06:34:50 THINK ABOUT ALL THIS AND THINK HOW YOU WOULD VOTE IF YOU
06:34:54 WERE ONE OF THESE SEVEN CHOSEN SEATS AND THEN TELL ME HOW
06:35:00 YOU FEEL.
06:35:01 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:35:01 ANYONE ELSE?
06:35:02 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:35:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. WEBER.
06:35:05 THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA.
06:35:07 I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS, CHUCK.
06:35:09 A WHOLE SERIES OF THEM, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:35:13 >>LUIS VIERA: GO FOR IT, SIR.
06:35:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BE PATIENT WITH ME.
06:35:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
06:35:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FIRST, I WANTED TO WELCOME THE MAYOR'S
06:35:18 YOUTH CORPS.
06:35:19 RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE MAYOR'S YOUTH CORPS.
06:35:22 ALL RIGHT.
06:35:22 I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT
06:35:26 CIVICS LESSON FOR YOU, TO REALLY SEE HOW IMPORTANT
06:35:28 DECISIONS ARE MADE.
06:35:29 AND THIS IS A DECISION THAT IF YOU STICK AROUND THE TAMPA
06:35:32 AREA, AS MR. MIRANDA SAID, WILL AFFECT THE FUTURE AND
06:35:35 AFFECT YOUR FUTURE.
06:35:36 SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH OUR
06:35:40 DECISIONS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL AND FROM A FINANCIAL
06:35:42 PERSPECTIVE.
06:35:43 BUT WELCOME.
06:35:43 CHUCK, THE 2026 DEMAND THAT YOU TALKED, ABOUT I THINK YOU
06:35:49 SAID 16 ADDITIONAL MGD, CORRECT?
06:35:52 >>CHUCK WEBER: 2040.
06:35:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 2040.
06:35:55 >>CHUCK WEBER: YES, SIR.
06:35:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IS THE 2026 DEMAND?
06:35:57 >>CHUCK WEBER: THAT'S WHEN OUR DEMAND WILL HIT 82 MGD,
06:36:01 WHICH IS OUR SUPPLY PERMIT OFF OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
06:36:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SEE.
06:36:07 SO THEN I ASSUME IT IS A RELATIVELY FLAT LINE
06:36:11 INCREMENTALLY ABOVE FROM 2026 TO 2040.
06:36:16 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT GOES UP.
06:36:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, NO, I MEANT FLAT LINE.
06:36:21 >>CHUCK WEBER: STRAIGHT LINE.
06:36:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
06:36:24 SO THE 2026 DEMAND AND/OR THE 2040 DEMAND IS BASED ON
06:36:30 WHAT PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE IN POPULATION?
06:36:32 I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BIEBER NUMBERS AND ALL THAT.
06:36:37 >>CHUCK WEBER: I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS COMMITTED TO
06:36:39 MEMORY, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
06:36:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
06:36:43 YES, PLEASE DO.
06:36:48 I'VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION FOR THE LAST MONTH OR TWO,
06:36:53 WHAT PORTION OF ALL OF THIS WILL NEW DEVELOPMENT, NEW
06:36:57 PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING INTO OUR COMMUNITY BE PAYING FOR?
06:37:00 SO YOU'RE COMING IN AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR $300 MILLION
06:37:03 GIVE OR TAKE, IF WE WENT WITH ONE PARTICULAR OPTION, IT
06:37:07 WOULD BE MORE IF YOU GO WITH ANOTHER OPTION, WHAT
06:37:09 PERCENTAGE OF THAT WILL THE NEW FOLKS WHO ARE MOVING IN
06:37:13 FROM MICHIGAN, EMERGENCY, ET CETERA -- NEW JERSEY,
06:37:18 ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD THEY BE
06:37:20 PAYING AND HOW DO WE GET THAT MONEY FROM THEM?
06:37:22 >>CHUCK WEBER: WELL, WE ARE LOOKING AT CAPACITY FEES.
06:37:24 WE'RE FINISHING UP A STUDY THAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE DONE
06:37:26 IN I BELIEVE A MONTH OR SO.
06:37:34 I GUESS WHEN WE HAVE THAT, WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS
06:37:37 IN GREATER ACCURACY.
06:37:38 ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT IS IF IN 2040 OUR DEMAND IS
06:37:42 GOING TO GROW TO 16 -- BY 16 MGD, WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT
06:37:48 TO THE TOTAL DEMAND, IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE.
06:37:51 THE REVENUES YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECOVER BECAUSE
06:37:55 IT'S AN IMPACT FEE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE FROM FOLKS THAT
06:37:58 COME HERE.
06:37:59 IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE RETROACTIVE.
06:38:03 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LARGE PERCENTAGE AS WE GET GOING,
06:38:09 BUT WHAT WE INTEND TO DO AND WHAT THE STUDY IS LOOKING AT
06:38:13 IS TO REVISE THE IMPACT FEES I BELIEVE ON A REGULAR
06:38:19 SCHEDULE THAT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND EVERY FIVE YEARS.
06:38:21 AS WE DO NEW PROJECTS, EVEN PROJECTS WITHIN THE PROGRAM,
06:38:26 IF WE IMPLEMENT THE IMPACT FEES SOMETIME SOON, AS THOSE
06:38:29 PROJECTS COME ONLINE, THEY'LL GET INTO THAT ASSESSMENT.
06:38:33 EVERY TIME WE DO THE REFRESH AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MANY
06:38:39 NEW PROJECTS HAVE COME ON THAT HAVE ADDED CAPACITY,
06:38:44 WHENEVER SOMEBODY COMES INTO THE AREA AND GETS A
06:38:47 CONNECTION, THEY'LL PAY FOR THE NEW PORTIONS AS THEY COME
06:38:49 ON.
06:38:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE
06:38:51 PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FUND
06:38:58 THE INCREASED CAPACITY UNTIL THOSE OTHER FOLKS GET HERE?
06:39:02 >>CHUCK WEBER: WELL, --
06:39:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE'S NO OTHER MECHANISM TO CHASE
06:39:09 BACK THAT MONEY, TO CLAW BACK THAT MONEY?
06:39:11 HOW IS THAT FOR AN ECONOMICS TERM?
06:39:13 >>CHUCK WEBER: YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY IN HAND TO
06:39:15 BUILD SOMETHING.
06:39:16 YOU CAN'T BUILD IT UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MONEY IN HAND.
06:39:19 SO WE HAVE TO BUILD IT FIRST.
06:39:21 WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT FIRST.
06:39:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO
06:39:25 MECHANISM IN THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT TO CLAW BACK THE
06:39:27 MONEY.
06:39:27 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE REPORT ISN'T BACK.
06:39:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, THE DRAFT IS BACK.
06:39:30 BRAD TOLD US THIS AFTERNOON.
06:39:32 >>CHUCK WEBER: I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SIR.
06:39:33 I APOLOGIZE.
06:39:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT EITHER, WHICH LEADS
06:39:36 TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
06:39:38 YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT BEING ABLE
06:39:42 TO ANSWER THAT IMPACT FEE, CAPACITY FEE QUESTION
06:39:46 THOROUGHLY.
06:39:50 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE IMPACT FEE --
06:39:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW YOU CAN DISMISS IT AND SAY IT'S
06:39:55 NOT A BIG DEAL.
06:39:57 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT IS A BIG DEAL ITS EFFECT IS SMALL.
06:40:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NEXT QUESTION IS UNDER DROUGHT
06:40:07 CONDITIONS, COULD WE PUMP THE TERTIARY TREATED
06:40:12 WASTEWATER, OKAY, COULD WE PUMP THAT INTO THE RESERVOIR?
06:40:17 YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS, CAN'T
06:40:19 REMEMBER WHICH NUMBER, MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWO, GETS PUMPED
06:40:23 INTO THE AQUIFER AND THEN WE PULL IT OUT OF THE AQUIFER.
06:40:26 IT'S DROUGHT CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT
06:40:30 AT WHICH POINT THE RESERVOIR STARTS DROPPING -- ABOVE THE
06:40:38 DAM IT STARTS DROPPING DOWN.
06:40:39 I REMEMBER IT GOT PRETTY LOW, BRAD, RIGHT?
06:40:42 PROBABLY CATFISH KICKING ON THE BOTTOM OR SOMETHING.
06:40:47 ANYWAY, SO MY QUESTION IS, DURING THE DROUGHT CONDITIONS,
06:40:52 COULD WE PUMP THE TERTIARY TREATED WASTEWATER UP INTO
06:40:57 ABOVE THE DAM INTO THE RESERVOIR TO REPLENISH?
06:41:01 MAYBE THAT'S OPTION FIVE OR SOMETHING.
06:41:03 I DON'T KNOW.
06:41:03 >>CHUCK WEBER: WELL, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS IT AS WE
06:41:08 MOVE FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS.
06:41:10 THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL PERMITTING.
06:41:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, CAN YOU
06:41:14 PUMP THE TERTIARY TREATED WATER DIRECTLY INTO THE
06:41:17 RESERVOIR?
06:41:18 >>CHUCK WEBER: THERE COULD BE A PATHWAY.
06:41:21 WE WOULD HAVE TO STUDY IT FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE DEALING
06:41:25 WITH, THE NATIONAL POLLUTION DISCHARGE ELIMINATION SYSTEM
06:41:28 PERMITTING WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN
06:41:31 PLAY.
06:41:31 THE OTHER THING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WOULD BE
06:41:35 IF WE ARE PUMPING -- IF WE WAIT FOR THE RESERVOIR TO GET
06:41:39 LOW IN A DROUGHT AND THEN START PUMPING 50 MGD INTO IT,
06:41:44 WILL WE BE ABLE TO CATCH UP FAST ENOUGH OR WILL 50 MGD BE
06:41:49 ENOUGH TO KEEP THE RESERVOIR --
06:41:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE REASON -- I'M NOT TAKING ANY
06:41:52 CREDIT FOR THIS AT ALL.
06:41:53 THE REASON I'M RAISING THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY
06:41:56 ABOUT 30 PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE BEEN E-MAILING US
06:42:00 SAYING THEY ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT PUMPING TREATED
06:42:03 EFFLUENT INTO THE AQUIFER FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS THAT
06:42:09 I'M SURE THEY'LL TELL US ABOUT WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC
06:42:12 COMMENT.
06:42:13 BUT YOU'VE READ THEM, TOO, AND YOU'VE HEARD THEM.
06:42:16 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HASN'T BEEN THOROUGHLY
06:42:20 STUDIED AS, QUOTE, OPTION FIVE.
06:42:23 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT HAS TO DO WITH AVERAGES, MAXES AND MID
06:42:27 FLOWS.
06:42:27 I'M NOT SURE THAT 50 MGD WOULD BE ENOUGH DURING A DROUGHT
06:42:31 IF WE WAITED UNTIL THE DROUGHT.
06:42:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE THE
06:42:34 CALCULATIONS STANDING AT THE PODIUM.
06:42:36 I'M ASKING WHY WE DIDN'T STUDY IT THOROUGHLY JUST LIKE WE
06:42:40 STUDIED THE HECK OUT OF OPTIONS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.
06:42:44 >>CHUCK WEBER: I'M SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF ITERATIONS
06:42:47 THAT WE HAVEN'T STUDIED.
06:42:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF I THOUGHT OF IT, IT MUST BE A
06:42:52 PRETTY OBVIOUS ONE.
06:42:53 LORD KNOWS I'M NOT THAT KIND OF SCIENTIST.
06:42:56 HOW MUCH WATER DO WE PUMP FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS TO AUGMENT
06:43:06 UNDER OUR PERMITS?
06:43:07 >>CHUCK WEBER: I BELIEVE 16 CCF.
06:43:11 I DON'T HAVE THAT IN MGD OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
06:43:14 BRAD, CAN YOU HELP ME OUT?
06:43:18 ABOUT 10 MGD, MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
06:43:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOING BACK TO POSSIBLY THE OPTION FIVE
06:43:23 I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, COULD WE TAKE THE TREATED
06:43:28 WASTEWATER DURING CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME WHEN WE FEEL
06:43:32 THE NEED AND AUGMENT BELOW THE DAM, AT THE BASE OF THE
06:43:36 DAM, WHICH WOULD GO DOWNSTREAM TO MEET THE REGULATORY
06:43:40 REQUIREMENTS FOR REFRESHING THE RIVER, WHICH IS VERY
06:43:44 IMPORTANT AND ALSO REQUIRED ON OUR PERMIT, WOULD THAT BE
06:43:46 ALLOWED UNDER THE REGULATIONS?
06:43:50 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT'S POSSIBLE.
06:43:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL PUT THAT DOWN AS POSSIBLE.
06:43:57 >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATOR, IF
06:43:59 I COULD ADDRESS THAT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:44:02 WE DID LOOK AT THAT OPTION IN VERY MUCH DETAIL A LITTLE
06:44:07 OVER TEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS CALLED DOWNSTREAM
06:44:10 AUGMENTATION.
06:44:11 IT TURNED OUT IT WAS NOT DOABLE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT
06:44:16 PERMITTABLE BY THE REGULATORY AGENCIES.
06:44:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY WOULDN'T IT BE IF IT'S TERTIARY
06:44:21 TREATED AND WE CAN PUMP IT INTO THE AQUIFER, WHY COULDN'T
06:44:24 WE JUST --
06:44:25 >>BRAD BAIRD: THE PRIMARY REASON WAS BECAUSE OF
06:44:28 INTRODUCING TOO MANY NUTRIENTS DOWNSTREAM, SOME OF THE
06:44:32 MODELING SHOWED THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL ALGAL
06:44:38 BLOOMS, ALGAE GROWTH, IF YOU WILL, DOWNSTREAM.
06:44:42 THAT WAS A PRIMARY REASON BUT THERE WERE OTHER SECONDARY
06:44:45 REASONS WHY DOWNSTREAM AUGMENTATION WAS NOT PERMITTABLE
06:44:50 BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
06:44:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT IN TEN
06:44:56 YEARS.
06:44:56 >>BRAD BAIRD: YEAH.
06:44:57 THAT WAS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.
06:44:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
06:44:59 I HAVE A FEW MORE.
06:45:00 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.
06:45:03 NOW I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING HERE.
06:45:14 AT ONE POINT YOU SAID THERE'S NO SULPHUR SPRINGS
06:45:26 IMPROVEMENT -- I GUESS BRAD JUST ANSWERED THAT.
06:45:31 MY QUESTION THERE, YOU SAID NO SULPHUR SPRINGS
06:45:34 IMPROVEMENT, BUT IF WE STOP PUMPING -- LET ME PUT THIS IN
06:45:37 THE FORM OF A QUESTION.
06:45:39 IF WE STOP PUMPING OUT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS, WOULDN'T THERE
06:45:42 BE IMPROVEMENT?
06:45:43 IT SEEMS LIKE NATURE KIND OF FIXES ITSELF TO A CERTAIN
06:45:49 CONTRIBUTE OR HAVE WE DONE IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO SULPHUR
06:45:52 SPRINGS?
06:45:54 >>CHUCK WEBER: IF YOU RECALL THE GRAPH, IT -- SALINE
06:45:59 BEFORE PUMPING HEAVILY AT A LOWER RATE.
06:46:01 IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT THAT WOULD CONTINUE AT THE LOWER
06:46:06 RATE.
06:46:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF WE FOUND AN ALTERNATIVE SOURCE AND
06:46:08 WE WERE ABLE TO STOP PUMPING FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS, I
06:46:11 WOULD ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE ITSELF OR AT
06:46:14 LEAST REMAIN STATIC.
06:46:15 >>CHUCK WEBER: WHILE HISTORY HAS SHOWN IT'S GOING TO
06:46:18 CONTINUE TO GET WORSE, BUT NOT AT A HIGHER RATE AS WHEN
06:46:23 WE'RE PUMPING IT.
06:46:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S TALK ABOUT FUNDING FOR A SECOND.
06:46:27 I KEEP HEARING THE NUMBER $300 MILLION, I GUESS, OR MORE,
06:46:32 DEPENDING ON WHICH OPTION WE WENT WITH, BUT I'VE ALSO HAD
06:46:36 DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU GUYS WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT AND EVEN
06:46:39 HERE IN THIS REPORT, YOU TALK ABOUT A 50-350 GRANT --
06:46:43 50-50 GRANT FROM S.W.F.W.M.D.
06:46:44 SO WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT $150 MILLION IN THE
06:46:51 ASSOCIATED RATE HIKE ASSOCIATED WITH 150 MILLION INSTEAD
06:46:55 OF 300 MILLION.
06:46:57 >>CHUCK WEBER: I WASN'T DISCUSSING ANY S.W.F.W.M.D.
06:46:59 GRANTS IN THE PRESENTATION.
06:47:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, YOU DIDN'T.
06:47:02 BUT I HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS PREVIOUSLY.
06:47:04 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE WAY THAT THE DEBT IS STRUCTURED UNDER
06:47:09 PIPES IS 53% PAY-GO AND 47% DEBT.
06:47:17 IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET GRANTS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO REDUCE
06:47:20 THE AMOUNT WE HAVE TO BORROW.
06:47:23 AND THAT WILL REDUCE THE OVERALL COST OF THE WHOLE
06:47:26 PROGRAM.
06:47:27 SO THE 3.2 WILL BE LESS.
06:47:29 SO IF WE GET GRANTS, THAT WILL BE A GOOD THING.
06:47:34 IT WILL HELP US REDUCE THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR
06:47:37 BY DEBT AND REDUCE THE OVERALL COST.
06:47:40 >> SHOULDN'T THAT BENEFIT TRANSFER TO THE RATEPAYER ALSO?
06:47:43 >>CHUCK WEBER: YES, IT WILL.
06:47:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN WHICH CASE WE DON'T NEED THE ONLY
06:47:47 300 MILLION.
06:47:48 WE ONLY NEED 150.
06:47:49 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT WILL -- WHEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE
06:47:54 OVERALL COST FOR THE WHOLE PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE, WE
06:47:58 WON'T HAVE TO RAISE RATES HIGHER.
06:48:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THAT DOESN'T TRANSLATE TO WHAT YOU
06:48:06 ALL ARE ASKING US TO DO NEXT MONTH, WHICH IS TO RAISE THE
06:48:11 RATES HIGHER PERMANENTLY.
06:48:12 I DON'T SEE A CONTINGENCY THAT SAYS IF WE GET A GRANT, WE
06:48:17 WON'T HAVE TO RAISE IT AS MUCH.
06:48:19 I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT AS PART OF THE RATE HIKE PROGRAM.
06:48:22 ALL I'VE SEEN IS A RATE HIKE THAT JUST GOES LIKE THAT,
06:48:26 OVER SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, ULTIMATELY TO BE DOUBLE WHAT
06:48:30 IT IS TODAY AFTER THE EIGHT-YEAR PERIOD.
06:48:34 BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAYS, OH, MAYBE IT ONLY
06:48:37 GOES LIKE THIS IF WE GET THE GRANTS FROM THE STATE.
06:48:40 >>CHUCK WEBER: AT THE END OF THE RESOLUTION, THE RATES
06:48:45 THAT WE'RE CALLING FOR, THEY ARE LEFT LEVEL.
06:48:49 SO AT THAT POINT, BASED ON WHAT WE CAN PREDICT TODAY, WE
06:48:55 WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE RENEW AND REPLACEMENT OF
06:48:59 THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PIPES, THE TREATMENT PLANTS.
06:49:01 SO AT THAT POINT, THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED, WE SHOULD BE
06:49:08 ABLE TO KEEP UP.
06:49:09 THAT FAR OUT, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT WHAT CHANGES MAY
06:49:15 OCCUR.
06:49:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS MY BIGGER POINT IS, AND THIS
06:49:20 GOES A LITTLE BIT INTO THE PIPES.
06:49:21 I KNOW YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE BUT YOU SORT OF OPENED
06:49:23 THE DOOR ON IT, WAS IF WE'RE -- SHOULDN'T WE BE AS
06:49:28 CONSERVATIVE AS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF THE RATE HIKES AS
06:49:33 OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING THAT WE NEED THAT 3.2 NO MATTER
06:49:39 WHAT COME HELL OR HIGH WATER -- NO PUN INTENDED.
06:49:44 >>CHUCK WEBER: I'M GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER TO THE
06:49:48 FINANCIAL FOLKS.
06:49:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST IN THAT.
06:49:51 MY LAST QUESTION GOES BACK TO ONE OF YOUR EARLIEST
06:49:54 STATEMENTS.
06:49:55 YOU SAID WE NEED COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS $300 MILLION
06:49:59 RATE INCREASE NOW, AND THIS GOES TO MR. CARLSON'S POINT A
06:50:02 LITTLE BIT A WHILE AGO.
06:50:05 NEED COUNCIL APPROVE THIS NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO
06:50:09 COME BACK TO THE RATEPAYERS FOR ADDITIONAL HIKE AT SOME
06:50:13 LATER DATE.
06:50:14 ISN'T THAT A POLICY POLITICAL CONCLUSION AS OPPOSED TO
06:50:17 SCIENTIFIC WATER DEPARTMENT CONCLUSION?
06:50:19 >>CHUCK WEBER: I'M JUST BASING IT OFF THE ESTIMATES THAT
06:50:21 WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO NEED.
06:50:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE URGENCY -- THERE
06:50:29 ARE SOME UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
06:50:32 THAT HAVE JUST ARISEN TONIGHT, BUT YOU'RE STILL ASKING US
06:50:40 TO APPROVE IT.
06:50:41 WHAT YOU SAID -- SHOULDN'T WE DO THAT NOW AS OPPOSED TO
06:50:44 COMING BACK AT A LATER DATE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR YEAR
06:50:49 FROM NOW WHEN WE HAVE MORE ANSWERS?
06:50:52 I'M JUST SAYING, THAT'S NOT REALLY A WATER DEPARTMENT
06:50:55 SCIENTIFIC ISSUE.
06:50:56 THAT'S MORE OF A POLITICAL POLICY ISSUE, RIGHT?
06:50:59 >>CHUCK WEBER: I WILL JUST SPEAK TO THE NUMBERS THAT WE
06:51:02 HAVE.
06:51:02 IN 2017, WE EXCEEDED OUR PERMITTED CAPACITY IN A MILD
06:51:09 DROUGHT.
06:51:09 IF WE HAVE ANOTHER DROUGHT, THE PROBABILITY SAYS WE'RE
06:51:13 GOING TO EXCEED DEMAND, TODAY, IF IT HAPPENED TODAY.
06:51:15 IN 2026, WE'LL EXCEED THE PROJECTED DEMANDS, PERMITTED
06:51:22 CAPACITY.
06:51:22 WE NEED TO START BUILDING FOR THAT NOW.
06:51:26 I FAILED TO MENTION EARLIER, WE ARE NOT THE ONLY UTILITY
06:51:30 THAT HAS CONCERNS WITH THE WATER QUALITY FROM TAMPA BAY
06:51:33 WATER.
06:51:33 THE CHAIRMAN OF THE TAMPA BAY WATER BOARD HAS EXPRESSED
06:51:38 IN AT LEAST TWO BOARD MEETINGS THIS YEAR HER CONCERN FOR
06:51:42 WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
06:51:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHUCK, I UNDERSTAND.
06:51:45 WE HAVE A LONG NIGHT.
06:51:47 THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I'M TALK ABOUT A SHORT-TERM DELAY,
06:51:51 RELATIVELY SHORT-TERM DELAY.
06:51:53 MANY OF US JUST GOT HERE THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO,
06:51:57 INCLUDING THE MAYOR.
06:51:58 THIS IS COMING ON VERY QUICKLY AND THIS IS TO ME THE MUCH
06:52:03 MORE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
06:52:05 MORE THAN THE PIPES.
06:52:06 I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR TWO MONTHS.
06:52:08 THE PIPES TO ME, IRONICALLY, $3 BILLION FOR THE PIPES
06:52:13 PROGRAM TO ME IS MUCH MORE PALATABLE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT
06:52:16 THAT CONTROVERSIAL.
06:52:17 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN KICKING DOWN THE ROAD FOR
06:52:20 MANY, MANY YEARS.
06:52:21 BUT THIS ONE, OKAY, THIS PART OF IT IS CONTROVERSIAL.
06:52:28 THERE ARE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, AND I DON'T SEE THE
06:52:31 URGENCY OF WHY WE CAN'T WAIT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TO MAKE
06:52:35 THAT DECISION.
06:52:35 IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
06:52:38 >>CHUCK WEBER: I'D REALLY LOVE TO ANSWER IT IF YOU'D GIVE
06:52:42 ME THE OPPORTUNITY.
06:52:43 THE WATER QUALITY ISSUE, TAMPA BAY WATER HAS HIRED
06:52:46 ENGINEERS TO STUDY IT AND TO PRESENT OPTIONS TO RESOLVE
06:52:50 THE WATER QUALITY ISSUE.
06:52:52 IF IT'S NOT RESOLVED SOON, WHEN WE NEED WATER, EVEN RIGHT
06:52:55 NOW DURING A DROUGHT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF WATER
06:52:58 QUALITY PROBLEMS.
06:52:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THE WATER UNHEALTHY OR DOES IT JUST
06:53:02 SMELL BAD?
06:53:02 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY TESTIMONY THAT IT'S UNHEALTHY.
06:53:07 IF IT'S UNHEALTHY, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN
06:53:11 USING IT.
06:53:11 >>CHUCK WEBER: DURING THE TIME WE WERE PROVIDED WATER IN
06:53:14 2017, THREE TESTS WERE TAKEN IN THE PERIOD OF THREE
06:53:17 MONTHS.
06:53:17 THOSE THREE TESTS SHOWED THAT THE WATER QUALITY MET
06:53:21 EXHIBIT D, WHICH IS THE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
06:53:25 BUT THERE'S MORE TO THE STORY.
06:53:27 THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE TESTING THAT WE DO AT OUR DRINKING
06:53:30 WATER FACILITY AND PROVIDE THE REST OF OUR SYSTEM.
06:53:32 WE TAKE HUNDREDS OF SAMPLES A DAY.
06:53:35 IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE WATER THAT COMES THROUGH THAT
06:53:40 SOURCE IS TREATED TO DIFFERENT DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
06:53:44 THERE'S GROUNDWATER DRINKING STANDARDS AND SURFACE WATER
06:53:47 DRINKING STANDARD.
06:53:49 AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT -- THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PROCESSES
06:53:52 THAT REMOVE DIFFERENT CONTAMINANTS.
06:53:55 WHAT I'M SAYING IS BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HAVE, WHICH
06:53:57 IS LIMITED, YES, THE WATER IS SAFE.
06:54:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
06:54:03 SO THERE'S NO URGENCY OR EMERGENCY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE
06:54:07 SAFE DRINKING WATER TO SELL US.
06:54:10 RIGHT THIS VERY MINUTE, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO CREATE AN
06:54:13 UNSAFE SITUATION WHERE WE RUN SHORT OF WATER BECAUSE
06:54:16 THERE IS WATER OVER THERE AND YOU JUST SAID IT'S SAFE.
06:54:19 MIGHT NOT SMELL AS GOOD, MIGHT NOT BE AS GOOD BY OUR
06:54:24 STANDARDS.
06:54:24 I AGREE WITH YOU.
06:54:25 YOU AND BRAD HAVE BEEN MAKING GREAT WATER FOR YEARS, SO
06:54:29 OUR WATER IS A LITTLE BETTER, BUT THEIR WATER IS NOT,
06:54:31 QUOTE, UNSAFE.
06:54:32 I'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE.
06:54:33 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
06:54:34 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:54:35 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:54:35 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT AND I DON'T WANT
06:54:37 TO GET INTO A LONG TIT FOR TAT.
06:54:41 TAMPA BAY WATER IS GOING THROUGH A REVIEW OF WATER
06:54:44 QUALITY, NOT BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY IS BAD, BUT
06:54:47 BECAUSE THEY DO A PERIODIC REVIEW.
06:54:53 I SUGGEST WE INVITE TAMPA BAY WATER AND S.W.F.W.M.D. TO
06:54:55 COME BACK AND ADDRESS US AT ANOTHER TIME TO GIVE THEIR
06:54:58 POINT OF VIEW IN WHAT I FEEL LIKE IS AN UNFAIR
06:55:02 REPRESENTATION.
06:55:03 YOU JUST EXPLAINED THAT IT IS DIFFERENT SOURCES, BUT YOU
06:55:07 STILL INSIST ON USING THE TERM WATER QUALITY TO TRY TO
06:55:10 SCARE PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO USE THE WATER.
06:55:12 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE REGION ARE DRINKING THE WATER.
06:55:14 IT'S NOT HARMING ANYBODY, AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AS
06:55:17 DANGEROUS AS DRINKING THE WATER THAT WILL BE REUSED.
06:55:21 LET ME JUST PRESENT ANOTHER -- I DON'T WANT TO GO UNTIL
06:55:24 3:00 IN THE MORNING, SO I'LL JUST TELL YOU MY SUGGESTION.
06:55:27 I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE 300 MILLION OUT OF THE BUDGET
06:55:32 NEXT WEEK.
06:55:34 WE DON'T NEED IT.
06:55:35 WE DON'T NEED THIS ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
06:55:37 THIS IS FISCALLY RECKLESS TO ENGAGE IN THIS PROJECT.
06:55:41 IT NEEDS SCIENTIFIC STUDY.
06:55:42 IT NEEDS THIRD-PARTY REVIEW.
06:55:45 WE NEED ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH THE PUBLIC, NOT WHAT'S
06:55:49 GONE ON THE LAST WEEK WITH FOUR HALF-HEARTED PUBLIC
06:55:52 MEETINGS.
06:55:53 THIS IS A HUGE DECISION FOR THE PUBLIC.
06:55:55 BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, SET ASIDE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND
06:55:59 HEALTH ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND GOING TO BE
06:56:00 RAISED BY THE PUBLIC, I THINK, IT'S FISCALLY RECKLESS
06:56:03 BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT.
06:56:04 HE JUST SAID WE DON'T NEED ANY OTHER SOURCE UNTIL 2026.
06:56:08 AND, BY THE WAY, DURING THE DROUGHT WHEN WE NEEDED 30 OR
06:56:11 40 MGD, TAMPA BAY WATER SUPPLIED IT.
06:56:14 SO THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF WATER.
06:56:15 IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO TURN ON OUR TAPS AND THERE'S
06:56:18 GOING TO BE NO WATER THERE.
06:56:19 TAMPA BAY WATER HAS A 30-YEAR PLAN FOR WATER AND TEN-YEAR
06:56:23 SUPPLY AND THEY UPDATE IT EVERY YEAR.
06:56:25 THE REASON THEY HAVE NEVER TAKEN ON THIS PROJECT, ONE IS
06:56:27 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA ASKED THEM TO TAKE IT OFF THEIR
06:56:30 LIST.
06:56:30 THE OTHER REASON IS IT'S NOT THE SAFEST, CHEAPEST
06:56:34 ALTERNATIVE FOR NEW SOURCES IN THE FUTURE.
06:56:36 AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, 10, 20 YEARS, WE'LL PROBABLY
06:56:39 NEED THE PROJECT BUT WE DON'T NEED IT RIGHT NOW.
06:56:42 WHAT I SUGGEST, YOU ALL CAN VOTE FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT.
06:56:45 I SUGGEST WE SPEND THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO STUDYING THIS
06:56:48 MORE, GETTING THIRD PARTY ANALYSES AND COME BACK AT SOME
06:56:53 POINT IN THE FUTURE.
06:56:53 IF WE DON'T NEED IT, WHY WOULD WE COLLECT MONEY FROM
06:56:58 RATEPAYERS.
06:56:59 THOSE OF US AT CYRUS GREENE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE
06:57:03 COMMUNITY IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS 40, 50 DOLLAR A
06:57:06 MONTH INCREASE.
06:57:07 WHATEVER IT IS, 10% OF THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS PROJECT.
06:57:11 FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON FIXED INCOMES WHO CAN BARELY MAKE
06:57:15 THEIR MONTHLY PAYMENTS, IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT, EVEN
06:57:17 IF FOUR, FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH, WHY WOULD WE MAKE THEM FOR
06:57:21 TEN YEARS PAY FOUR, FIVE DOLLARS A AMOUNT FOR SOMETHING
06:57:24 WE DON'T NEED FOR 10, 15 YEARS.
06:57:26 THERE IS A HYBRID WHERE IN 2026 OR DURING DROUGHTS WHEN
06:57:30 WE NEED EXTRA WATER, WE CAN BUY IT FROM TAMPA BAY WATER.
06:57:33 AT THAT POINT, WE CAN START PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE TO
06:57:35 PROVIDE OUR FUTURE SOURCES OR AS INTENDED BY THE
06:57:41 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND TAMPA BAY WATER, TAMPA BAY WATER
06:57:42 WILL BUILD THE NEW SOURCE AND THEY'LL SUPPLY IT TO US.
06:57:45 IF THEY ENDED UP BUILDING THIS PROJECT, THEN WE WOULD
06:57:49 ONLY OWN ONE-SIXTH OF THE DEBT AND ONE-SIXTH OF THE
06:57:52 LIABILITY.
06:57:52 WHY WOULD WE TAKE ON THE DEBT AND DO THIS OURSELVES?
06:57:55 IT'S FISCALLY RECKLESS.
06:57:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WON'T BE LONG AT ALL.
06:58:01 CHUCK, JUST BALLPARK FIGURES, HOW MUCH WATER ARE WE
06:58:03 PUMPING INTO THE AQUIFERS NOW?
06:58:05 >>CHUCK WEBER: INTO THE AQUIFERS, ABOUT A BILLION AND A
06:58:08 HALF GALLONS A YEAR.
06:58:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF ANY ONE OF THESE FOUR PLANS GOES
06:58:14 THROUGH AND WE HAVE TO PUMP MORE WATER INTO THE AQUIFER,
06:58:16 HOW MUCH MORE WILL WE BE PUMPING INTO THE AQUIFER?
06:58:19 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT WILL BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE WILL BE
06:58:21 PUMPING IT IN AND PULLING IT OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
06:58:23 WE'LL BE FLOWING AT A RATE OF ROUGHLY 50 MILLION GALLONS
06:58:28 A DAY ONE OPTION.
06:58:29 OTHER OPTIONS WOULD AVERAGE ALTHOUGH CLOSER TO 28 OR 30
06:58:33 MG.
06:58:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN YOU SAY TO THE PRIMARY DRINKING
06:58:38 WATER STANDARDS, COMPARE THAT TO THE STANDARDS OF THE
06:58:40 AQUIFER.
06:58:41 IT TOOK HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF YEARS FOR THAT
06:58:45 WATER TO BE PURIFIED TO GET TO THE AQUIFERS, DIDN'T IT?
06:58:49 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE WATER IN THE AQUIFER IS NOT ABSOLUTELY
06:58:52 PURE, NO.
06:58:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHUCK.
06:58:54 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
06:58:56 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:58:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I TELL YOU, IT'S HARD WHEN YOU HAVE TO
06:59:02 MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THE LIVELIHOODS OF PEOPLE,
06:59:05 ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY AND HEALTH
06:59:08 CONCERNS.
06:59:08 I GUESS FOR ME, I KNOW MANY OF YOU WATCHING, I GUESS THEY
06:59:12 GET A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WATER, PIPES
06:59:15 AND SEWER.
06:59:17 WE TALK ABOUT MONEY FOR WATER, PIPES, AND SEWER.
06:59:19 NOW, IF WE HAVE WATER NOW, IT IS NOT AN URGENCY RIGHT
06:59:27 NOW, AND WE CAN GET WATER FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, I DON'T
06:59:32 KNOW WHY WE'RE PUSHING IT SO FAST.
06:59:34 WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL.
06:59:36 A LOT OF STUFF DEALING WITH THE WATER.
06:59:37 WE CAME IN THE DOOR.
06:59:39 OUR STAFF WAS RUSHING THE WATER PROGRAM DOWN OUR THROATS.
06:59:44 IT CAME FROM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION SO WE CAN'T BLAME
06:59:47 YOU FOR THAT.
06:59:47 YOU'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE TRAIL.
06:59:50 IT'S A LOT TO ABSORB.
06:59:52 IT'S A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ABSORB RIGHT NOW.
06:59:55 NOW, WHEN I FIRST MET YOU GUYS, I SAID, LISTEN, I KNOW WE
06:59:59 HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH OUR PIPES BURSTING.
07:00:04 THAT WAS A POLICE OFFICER.
07:00:05 SO I KNOW PIPES BURST.
07:00:08 TRAFFIC POSTS, HOURS ON HOURS, WAITING FOR OUR GUYS TO
07:00:13 COME OUT AND FIX THEM.
07:00:14 I HAVE A BUSINESS.
07:00:16 PIPES BURST AT MY HOUSE, AT MY BUSINESS.
07:00:19 THREE MONTHS FOR IT TO GET FIXED.
07:00:22 CALLED EVERY DAY UNTIL FINALLY WE HAD A PRIVATE
07:00:25 CONTRACTOR BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PIPES BUSTING IN THE
07:00:28 CITY THAT WE HAVE SO MANY CONTRACTORS WORKING BECAUSE OUR
07:00:30 GUYS CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE OF THE PIPES BURSTING.
07:00:34 THAT I UNDERSTAND.
07:00:35 THAT I THINK THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW WHEN
07:00:37 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PIPES BURSTING WITH SEWAGE, WATER
07:00:41 COMING OUT.
07:00:45 FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, MONEY TO GET THOSE THINGS FIXED.
07:00:49 I EXPERIENCED IT AND I WAS PISSED OFF TO BE HONEST WITH
07:00:52 YOU THAT I HAD TO WAIT THREE MINUTES SO ALL THE
07:00:55 BUSINESSES ON MY STREET, BECAUSE IF A FIRE WOULD HAVE
07:00:58 BROKE OUT, THE NEAREST FIRE HYDRANT WAS ALMOST TWO, THREE
07:01:03 BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD.
07:01:04 FOR ME RIGHT NOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S AN
07:01:09 EMERGENCY TO STAFF, BUT RIGHT NOW FOR ME, I NEED TO
07:01:16 UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE THE BIG NEED.
07:01:17 NOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PIPES.
07:01:21 I WOULD BE RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT LINE BECAUSE I KNOW
07:01:24 THOSE ARE NEEDED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I'VE EXPERIENCED
07:01:26 THAT.
07:01:27 BUT I THINK I'LL NEED A LITTLE MORE STUDY WITH THIS WATER
07:01:32 BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE IT NOW, THE
07:01:35 WATER IS SAFE THAT WE'RE GREG TAMPA BAY WATER NOW, I
07:01:39 DON'T SEE THE URGENCY.
07:01:41 I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE MAKE
07:01:44 A VAST DECISION ON THIS TYPE OF MONEY.
07:01:46 AGAIN, IF IT WAS THE ACTUAL PIPES, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
07:01:51 BUT I'M NOT TOO SURE ABOUT WATER RIGHT NOW.
07:01:55 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
07:01:57 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
07:01:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE
07:02:01 SAID, WHAT IS THE URGENCY?
07:02:02 THE PIPES ARE ONE THING BECAUSE WE HAVE WATER MAIN BREAKS
07:02:06 EVERYWHERE.
07:02:06 WE HAD ONE LAST NIGHT IN THE SAME LOCATION THAT IT'S
07:02:09 BROKEN OR BUSTED I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES AND THE
07:02:12 NEIGHBORHOOD GETS FRUSTRATED.
07:02:13 I SEE THE TWITTER UPDATES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA WATER
07:02:15 MAIN BREAKS, STREET CLOSURE.
07:02:17 THAT'S ONE THING.
07:02:17 BUT WITH THE WATER, WITH TAP, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
07:02:20 HERE, WHO ELSE DOES IT?
07:02:23 WHERE DOES IT ORIGINATE FROM?
07:02:25 WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST TO DO IT.
07:02:27 WHERE DOES IT BEGIN?
07:02:31 >>CHUCK WEBER: WELL, I HAVE A VIDEO THAT CAN SHOW YOU
07:02:34 WORLDWIDE WHERE IT'S DONE.
07:02:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW RECENT IS THIS PROCESS?
07:02:40 IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS
07:02:42 OR IT'S BEEN DONE IN OTHER PLACES?
07:02:44 SOMEONE PIONEERED IT 50 YEARS AGO.
07:02:46 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT'S BEEN DONE FOR DECADES AND IT'S BEING
07:02:49 CONSIDERED TODAY IN EL PASO.
07:02:51 THERE IS A PIECE IN THE NEWS THAT THEY ARE DOING A
07:02:55 PROJECT EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE.
07:02:57 THEY ARE CONTEMPLATING IT RIGHT NOW.
07:02:59 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS ACTUALLY PILOTING A DIRECT POTABLE
07:03:05 PROJECT.
07:03:06 ALTAMONTE SPRINGS JUST COMPLETED A REUSE PILOT THAT USED
07:03:10 BIOLOGICAL ACTIVE FILTRATION AND OZONE.
07:03:12 THEY WON A WORLDWIDE AWARD AND WENT TO JAPAN TO ACCEPT
07:03:16 IT.
07:03:16 GWINNETT COUNTY, GEORGIA, HAS A RECLAMATION FACILITY THAT
07:03:23 PUTS WATER INTO LAKE LANIER.
07:03:25 COMES RIGHT FROM LAKE LANIER TO THEIR DRINKING WATER
07:03:27 FACILITY.
07:03:27 THAT'S BEEN IN SERVICE FOR A WHILE.
07:03:30 THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WORKED ON THAT
07:03:32 PROJECT.
07:03:32 SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY REAL.
07:03:34 IT'S DONE AROUND THE WORLD.
07:03:36 IT'S DONE HERE IN TAMPA BAY.
07:03:37 EVEN IN TAMPA BAY, CLEARWATER HAS A PERMITTED PROJECT
07:03:41 THEY CHOSE NOT TO PURSUE IT AT THE MOMENT, BUT THERE IS
07:03:44 SUCH A THING AS UNPLANNED REUSE, AND THAT'S WHERE
07:03:50 WASTEWATER FACILITIES, ADVANCED OR TERTIARY, PUT WATER
07:03:54 UPSTREAM WHERE PEOPLE PULL WATER OUT, EVEN ON THE ALAFIA.
07:03:59 THERE ARE WASTEWATER FACILITIES UPSTREAM, ALAFIA AND
07:04:02 DRINKING WATER FACILITIES THAT PULL THE WATER OUT OF THAT
07:04:05 STREAM DOWNSTREAM.
07:04:06 SO REUSE IS NOT SOMETHING NEW.
07:04:13 IT'S BEEN DONE FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
07:04:15 IT'S BEEN DONE SINCE DAY ONE, YOU KNOW, UNPLANNED.
07:04:18 BUT AS FAR AS PLANNED GOES, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S
07:04:21 BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES AND BECOMING MORE AND MORE
07:04:24 PREVALENT.
07:04:24 WE CAN WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST A
07:04:29 HUNDRED PLACES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE DOING IT.
07:04:32 WOULD YOU LIKE TO WATCH THE VIDEO?
07:04:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'D LOVE TO.
07:04:37 >>CHUCK WEBER: HOPEFULLY THE AV STAFF IS STILL HERE.
07:04:39 THE VIDEO IS SHORT, ABOUT A MINUTE OR TWO.
07:04:47 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
07:04:49 >>LUIS VIERA: TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, ONCE WE'RE FINISHED
07:04:51 WITH THIS HEARING IN ABOUT 13 HOURS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
07:04:56 ABOUT A FIVE- OR TEN-MINUTE RECESS FOR THE STAFF AND JUST
07:05:00 FOR EVERYBODY TO CLEAR THEIR MINDS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
07:05:12 >>CHUCK WEBER: HERE WE GO.
07:05:13 THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE BOUNDARIES
07:05:18 OF THE WORLD, BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES.
07:05:21 >> WATER SUPPLY OPTIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION INCLUDE
07:05:24 AUGMENTATION OF DRINKING WATER SUPPLIES WITH ADVANCED
07:05:27 TREATMENT RECLAIMED WATER KNOWN AS POTABLE REUSE.
07:05:32 >>CHUCK WEBER: WE MISSED THE BEGINNING.
07:05:33 >> THERE ARE DIRECT AND INDIRECT POTABLE USE AND THERE
07:05:37 ARE PLANNED AND UNPLANNED INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE.
07:05:40 UNPLANNED INDIRECT POTABLE REUSE HAPPENS DAILY IN RIVERS
07:05:44 AND OTHER BODIES OF WATER EVERYWHERE.
07:05:48 IF YOU LIVE IN A COMMUNITY DOWNSTREAM OF ANOTHER
07:05:52 COMMUNITY, CHANCES ARE YOU ARE REUSING THAT COMMUNITY'S
07:05:55 WATER.
07:05:56 AND LIKEWISE --
07:05:59 [OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION]
07:06:02 -- MOST LIKELY USING YOUR WATER.
07:06:04 POTABLE REUSE IS PRACTICED WORLDWIDE, IN THE UNITED
07:06:07 STATES, IN FLORIDA, AND IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
07:06:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN THEY CALL IT TOILET-TO-TAP, THE
07:06:23 UNOFFICIAL TERM, DO YOU FILTER OUT HORMONES,
07:06:27 PHARMACEUTICALS, STEROIDS?
07:06:29 >>CHUCK WEBER: YES, YES.
07:06:30 THE PROCESSES ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO REMOVE THOSE
07:06:34 THINGS.
07:06:34 BECAUSE IT'S NOT TOILET TO TAP.
07:06:38 IT'S TOILET TO THE COLLECTION SYSTEM.
07:06:41 FIRST THING HAPPENS THERE IS MONITORING.
07:06:43 WE LOOK FOR THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T COME INTO THE
07:06:47 WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND WE GET THE INDUSTRIES
07:06:50 THAT ARE PRODUCING THOSE THINGS TO REMOVE THEM BEFORE
07:06:52 THEY EVER GET THERE.
07:06:53 THAT IS THE FIRST PART.
07:06:54 AFTER THAT, IN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, THERE'S A
07:06:57 LOT OF ADVANCED PROCESSES THAT GO TOWARDS REMOVING THE
07:07:02 CONTAMINANTS.
07:07:03 WE'VE BEEN MONITORING OUR ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT
07:07:05 PLANT FOR OVER A YEAR FOR OVER A HUNDRED REGULATED
07:07:09 CONTAMINANTS, BUT OVER 200 UNREGULATED CONTAMINANTS.
07:07:14 WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THESE THINGS ARE NOT THERE.
07:07:17 WE HAVE DETECTED SOME BUT NOT AT A LEVEL OF CONCERN.
07:07:21 EVEN IF WE DID, THEY ARE NOT THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT
07:07:24 CAN'T BE REMOVED BY THE PROCESSES WE HAVE, LIKE
07:07:26 ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT DISINFECTION, THE OZONE AND THE
07:07:30 BIOLOGICAL ACTIVATED FILTRATION HAVE BEEN PILOTED
07:07:36 EXTENSIVELY AT AL AT THAT MONTH SPRINGS AND I BELIEVE JEA
07:07:40 HAS DONE A STUDY AS WELL, AND THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED
07:07:43 CLEARLY WITH THE DATA THAT THOSE PROCESSES ARE CAPABLE OF
07:07:45 REMOVING CECs, HORMONES, PHARMACEUTICALS.
07:07:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
07:07:50 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:07:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
07:07:52 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
07:07:53 ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
07:07:54 OKAY.
07:07:56 I HAVE A SILLY QUESTION.
07:08:00 IT'S AN ELEMENTARY QUESTION, BUT IN THE MIDST OF ALL
07:08:02 THIS, IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES BEFORE US, IN A TWO OR THREE
07:08:06 SENTENCE SUMMARY, WHAT IS THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION
07:08:08 ON ALL THIS?
07:08:11 >>CHUCK WEBER: WELL, THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION IS --
07:08:13 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST TO SUMMARIZE IT FOR THE VIEWING
07:08:15 AUDIENCE.
07:08:16 >>CHUCK WEBER: WE'RE PRESENTING THESE OPTIONS FOR THE
07:08:18 FIRST TIME.
07:08:19 WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH THEM.
07:08:21 WE WANT TO GET PUBLIC INPUT.
07:08:22 WE WANT TO MAKE A DECISION.
07:08:23 WE WANT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE WATER SUPPLY FOR YEARS TO
07:08:27 COME.
07:08:27 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:08:27 NOW WE MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
07:08:31 LET ME ASK YOU, HOW MANY FOLKS ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS
07:08:34 ITEM.
07:08:36 PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
07:08:37 LET'S GO FORWARD.
07:08:38 MR. ROBINSON FIRST AND EVERYONE WHO IS PLANNING ON
07:08:40 SPEAKING, PLEASE LINE UP AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
07:08:47 >> JOE ROBINSON.
07:08:48 BACKGROUND, LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER SINCE 1982,
07:08:52 MECHANICAL ENGINEERING.
07:08:53 THAT'S PUMPING PIPE AND WATER AND ALL OF THIS.
07:08:56 S.W.F.W.M.D. BASIN BOARD FROM 2001, TO 2009, APPOINTED BY
07:09:01 JEB BUSH THREE TIMES, APPROVED BY THE FLORIDA SENATE
07:09:04 THREE TIMES.
07:09:05 SERVED ON S.W.F.W.M.D. NORTHWEST HILLSBOROUGH BASIN
07:09:08 BOARD, SERVED ON HILLSBOROUGH RIVER BASIN BOARD.
07:09:11 GOT DOCUMENTS STILL SITTING IN MY HOUSE.
07:09:14 THE FBI AIN'T LOOKED AT THEM YET, CHARLIE.
07:09:18 DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE FBI, IF I MAKE THE MOVE, EVERYBODY
07:09:21 WILL BE LOOKING AROUND HERE.
07:09:22 THIS IS BIG MONEY.
07:09:23 THERE IS NO REASON AND THE PIPES BEING SAID NOTHING ABOUT
07:09:29 WATER SOURCE.
07:09:29 THEY COME HERE TONIGHT AT 5:01.
07:09:32 COME TONIGHT AT 5:01 AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THE WATER
07:09:34 SOURCE.
07:09:35 WATER SOURCE NEED TO BE DELAYED.
07:09:37 THEY GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
07:09:39 THEY ARE RUSHING THIS.
07:09:40 YOU ARE RIGHT, MR. CARLSON, THIS DOES NOT NEED TO BE UP
07:09:45 HERE.
07:09:46 LET'S GET THE PIPES FIXED WHICH PEOPLE IN THE BLACK
07:09:49 NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING COSTING TOO MUCH TO FIX ANY DAMN WAY.
07:09:52 WHEN YOU ASK THEM WHO THEY WILL FIX FIRST, THEY ARE GOING
07:09:54 TO FIX THE WHITE FOLKS OVER IN DAVIS ISLANDS AND
07:09:57 BAYSHORE.
07:09:58 THEY ARE NOT GOING IN THE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU DO
07:10:01 GET MONEY TO FIX PIPES.
07:10:02 THE OLDEST PIPES IN THE BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:10:05 LET ME GET REAL HERE.
07:10:06 I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TALKING.
07:10:08 OTHER ENGINEERS ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT
07:10:10 OPINION.
07:10:11 THE CITY HAS THEIR CRONY ENGINEERS, THEIR CRONY PEOPLE
07:10:14 THAT THEY HIRE.
07:10:15 THEY DON'T HIRE ME BECAUSE I'M NOT A CRONY.
07:10:17 THEY HIRE ME BECAUSE I'M DAMN GOOD BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN
07:10:20 DO IT.
07:10:21 I REALLY DON'T NEED THE HEADACHE.
07:10:22 I'M HERE TO TELL YOU, THIS IS A RUSH JOB.
07:10:25 YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT ALL OF THIS STUFF INTO ONE DAMN
07:10:29 APPROVAL OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED THEY WON'T GET
07:10:32 AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AGAIN.
07:10:34 THEY SHOULDN'T LOOK AT 40 YEARS.
07:10:36 DON'T INCLUDE THE WATER SOURCE.
07:10:38 THAT IS NEBULOUS.
07:10:39 IT NEEDS MORE STUDY.
07:10:40 THEY TOLD YOU IT WAS TEN YEARS IS THE LAST TIME THEY
07:10:43 LOOKED AT SOMETHING.
07:10:44 TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED SINCE I SAT ON THE S.W.F.W.M.D.
07:10:47 BASIN BOARD.
07:10:48 THINGS ARE NOT THE SAME.
07:10:49 THIS IS A GAME UP HERE ABOUT
07:10:51 GETTING ALL THIS IN ONE SWOOP.
07:10:53 LET'S GET THE PIPES FIXED FIRST.
07:10:55 THAT'S IT.
07:10:56 ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, YOU CAN WAIT ANOTHER THREE, FOUR
07:11:00 YEARS.
07:11:00 AS A MATTER OF FACT, WITH A HURRICANE COMING, WHERE IN
07:11:02 THE HELL IS THE DROUGHT.
07:11:04 THEY NEED TO BE GETTING ALL THE SURFACE WATER AND PUMPING
07:11:06 IT INTO THE AQUIFER.
07:11:07 THEY NEED TO GET MORE RESERVOIRS AND SURFACE WATER
07:11:10 CAPACITY BECAUSE THAT'S NATURAL GOD RAIN, PUMPING THAT IN
07:11:14 THE AQUIFER, WHICH THEY OUGHT TO BE DOING BY TAMPA BAY
07:11:18 BYPASS CANAL.
07:11:19 THIS WHOLE WATER THING, YOU KEEP GOING THE WAY YOU'RE
07:11:22 GOING, THE FBI WILL BE AROUND HERE BECAUSE IT COMES DOWN
07:11:25 TO BIG MONEY, BIG PLAYERS AND A LOT OF BACKDOOR DEALS
07:11:28 GOING DOWN.
07:11:30 I'LL BE QUIET BECAUSE I AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT NOBODY AND
07:11:33 AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT NO WATER BECAUSE I DON'T DRINK CITY
07:11:36 WATER.
07:11:37 I DRINK ZEPHYRHILLS WATER.
07:11:39 I HAVEN'T DRUNK CITY WATER IN 20 YEARS.
07:11:42 I TAKE A BATH WITH IT.
07:11:43 I COOK WITH IT.
07:11:44 THAT'S ABOUT IT.
07:11:45 I'M TELLING YOU, DO NOT APPROVE NOTHING BUT THE PIPES AND
07:11:48 THREE HUNDRED, FOUR HUNDRED, ALL THIS HERE OUT THE WINDOW
07:11:51 AND KEEP UP WITH THE PIPES.
07:11:52 FIX THE PIPES FIRST AND COME BACK IN A FEW YEARS AND --
07:11:56 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
07:11:56 [ APPLAUSE ]
07:12:04 >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT A THUNDEROUS EXIT.
07:12:06 I WOULD ALSO ASK, BY THE WAY, COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL, WE
07:12:09 USUALLY ALLOW SOME ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT GIVEN
07:12:11 THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF HEARINGS, I WOULD ASK
07:12:15 THAT ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO MAKE A POINT WHILE A SPEAKER
07:12:17 IS HERE, AFTER SPEAKERS HERE, ET CETERA, JUST HOLD OFF
07:12:20 UNTIL AFTERWARDS JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.
07:12:22 >> BRIAN FREY, 1224 EAST CLIFTON STREET.
07:12:25 I TEND TO WRITE MY THINGS DOWN SO I'M PRETTY CLEAR IN HOW
07:12:29 I FEEL ABOUT WHAT I'M PRESENTING.
07:12:31 MANY PEOPLE DO AGREE THAT WE LIVE IN A BEAUTIFUL AND
07:12:34 VIBRANT CITY.
07:12:35 WE HAVE OVER 150 PEOPLE MOVING INTO OUR REGION ON A DAILY
07:12:37 BASIS.
07:12:38 AND IT'S CLEAR THAT FOLKS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THE
07:12:40 GLOBE, FOR THAT MATTER, AS WE DO, BELIEVE WE LIVE IN ONE
07:12:44 OF THE GREATEST PLACES ON THIS PLANET.
07:12:46 AS A SUCCESSFUL REALTOR IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA, I KNOW
07:12:48 FIRSTHAND HOW RAPIDLY OUR CITY IS GROWING.
07:12:51 AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABLE TO
07:12:53 HANDLE NOT ONLY OUR CURRENT NEEDS BUT OUR NEEDS FOR THE
07:12:56 FUTURE.
07:12:57 AS OUR MAYOR, JANE CASTOR, HAS TO ELOQUENTLY STATED
07:13:01 BEFORE, I PARAPHRASE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO INVEST IN TAMPA'S
07:13:04 TOMORROW BY PLANNING FOR IT TODAY.
07:13:06 AS POPULATION GROWTH CONTINUES TO PERMEATE OUR CITY, OUR
07:13:08 AGING INFRASTRUCTURE MUST BE PLACED AT THE FOREFRONT TO
07:13:11 ENSURE THAT ALL RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO LIVE IN AND ENJOY
07:13:14 SAFE, SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES.
07:13:16 THANKS TO ADVANCES IN TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENCE, TAMPA IS
07:13:19 ABLE TO MAKE A BOLD AND RESOLUTE DECISION REGARDING
07:13:23 ALTERNATIVE WATER SOURCES FOR OUR GROWING POPULATION.
07:13:25 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO REACH THE
07:13:27 MAXIMUM CAPACITY ALLOWED FOR WITHDRAWAL OF WATER FROM THE
07:13:30 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
07:13:31 AS A COMMUNITY LEADER, I URGE EACH OF YOU, OUR COUNCIL
07:13:34 MEMBERS, AS WELL AS OUR MAYOR, TO ALLOCATE THE NECESSARY
07:13:37 AND APPROPRIATE FUNDS TO ENSURE THAT EACH OF US, THE
07:13:40 RESIDENTS OF THIS GREAT CITY, HAVE ACCESS TO CLEAN, PURE,
07:13:45 AND SAFE DRINKING WATER NOW, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AND FOR
07:13:49 GENERATIONS TO COME.
07:13:50 BECAUSE TOURISM IS ONE OF THE LARGEST ENGINES OF OUR
07:13:54 ECONOMY, WE MUST TO WORK PROTECT OUR PRECIOUS NATURAL
07:13:59 RESOURCES.
07:13:59 AS NOT JUST A TAX-PAYING CITIZEN OF THIS AMAZING CITY BUT
07:14:02 SOMEONE WHO LIKE MANY OTHERS CHOSE TO MAKE TAMPA MY HOME
07:14:05 FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE PIPES
07:14:08 PROJECT, THE RESEARCH, AND THE WORK THAT'S NECESSARY TO
07:14:10 SUPPORT AN ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY.
07:14:13 PLEASE DON'T ALLOW YOUR POLITICS OR YOUR EMOTIONS TO
07:14:16 CLOUD YOUR JUDGMENT, BUT INSTEAD FOCUS ON THE FACTUAL
07:14:20 INFORMATION THAT SUPPORTS THIS NECESSITY.
07:14:22 I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE 300 MILLION-DOLLAR ALLOCATION
07:14:26 WITHIN THE PIPES PROGRAM ON SEPTEMBER 5th FOR
07:14:29 SUSTAINABLE, ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY FOR THE CITY OF
07:14:33 TAMPA.
07:14:33 THANK YOU.
07:14:34 [ APPLAUSE ]
07:14:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:14:35 I WOULD ASK, PLEASE, NO CLAPPING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
07:14:38 THANK YOU, FOLKS.
07:14:38 NEXT PLEASE.
07:14:41 >> GOOD EVENING.
07:14:45 KENT BAILEY, CHAIR OF THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB ON BEHALF
07:14:48 OF 19,000 MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS.
07:14:50 I'VE THROWN AWAY MY PREPARED REMARKS IN THE HOPES THAT I
07:14:56 CAN SHED A LITTLE LIGHT, MAYBE CLARIFY SOME
07:14:59 MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT YOU MAY HAVE EXPERIENCED AS A
07:15:04 RESULT OF SOME ANSWERS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE
07:15:07 FORTHCOMING.
07:15:08 FIRST OFF, MY BUDGET DOES NOT DEPEND ON WHETHER THIS
07:15:14 PROJECT GOES FORWARD OR NOT.
07:15:15 I HAVE NO ACTION TO GRIND HERE.
07:15:17 I BENEFIT FROM IT NOT ONE BIT, WHETHER IT FAILS OR
07:15:20 WHETHER IT MOVES FORWARD.
07:15:21 I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY.
07:15:24 SALTWATER INTRUSION IS A RESULT OF OVERPUMPING.
07:15:27 IT'S A REGIONAL CONCERN.
07:15:29 IT'S A STATEWIDE CONCERN.
07:15:31 OVERPUMPING IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR LOWERING THE AQUIFER,
07:15:35 WHICH IS CAUSING A RASH OF SINKHOLES.
07:15:40 IT'S NOT A PHENOMENA LOCALIZED TO SULPHUR SPRINGS.
07:15:45 WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT TONIGHT ARE CONSERVATION
07:15:49 MEASURES.
07:15:49 I'M NOT GOING INTO THE DETAILS OF MY REMAINING 1 MINUTE,
07:15:53 55 SECONDS.
07:15:54 BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH RAINWATER CISTERNS AND GRAY
07:15:57 WATER SYSTEMS WHICH YOU CAN MANDATE AT NO COST TO THE
07:16:01 CITY, HOUSEHOLD POTABLE WATER USE IS CUT BY HALF.
07:16:04 PRIMARY DRINKING WATER STANDARD, AS OPPOSED TO CLASS ONE
07:16:09 SURFACE WATER STANDARDS, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MENTIONED,
07:16:12 WHY DON'T WE JUST PUMP IT INTO THE RESERVOIR?
07:16:16 BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.
07:16:17 BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAN ENOUGH.
07:16:19 IT DOESN'T MEET CLASS ONE STANDARDS.
07:16:21 WHEN YOU'RE TOLD DRINKING WATER STANDARDS, YOU NEED TO BE
07:16:23 SURE YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE.
07:16:26 THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT STANDARDS, GROUNDWATER
07:16:29 STANDARDS, SURFACE WATER STANDARDS, AND OTHERS.
07:16:31 PIPES.
07:16:35 I'VE ONLY HEARD THAT PIPES IS NOT FEASIBLE WHEN YOU'RE
07:16:39 GOING IN AND PUTTING IN CARTE BLANCHE, JUST ON TOP OF
07:16:43 NOTHING.
07:16:43 THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN TAMPA NOW THAT ARE
07:16:48 STILL ON SEPTIC TANKS, AND THAT REALLY IS MESSING UP THE
07:16:53 RIVER, OKAY?
07:16:54 YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO
07:16:56 REPLACE WATER MAINS.
07:16:58 PUT SEWER LINES IN THERE.
07:17:00 GET THOSE PEOPLE OFF SEPTIC TANKS, CLEAR UP SOME OF OUR
07:17:04 GROUNDWATER POLLUTION AND, OH, BY THE WAY, RUN THE PURPLE
07:17:08 PIPES.
07:17:08 YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT'S NOT COST-EFFECTIVE.
07:17:11 DIRECT POTABLE REUSE REGULATIONS ARE COMING.
07:17:13 WE DON'T HAVE THEM NOW IN FLORIDA, BUT THEY ARE COMING.
07:17:16 YOU NEED TO AUDIT THIS REPORT.
07:17:18 GET SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT STANDING TO MAKE A BUCK LOOK AT
07:17:21 IT.
07:17:22 I COULD SPEND THE REST OF THE NIGHT TELLING YOU ABOUT THE
07:17:25 INCONSISTENCIES AND INACCURACIES IN IT.
07:17:28 JUST FOR YOUR RECORD, THERE IS NO OTHER PROJECT LIKE
07:17:30 THIS.
07:17:31 THE CLEARWATER PROJECT IS REVERSE OSMOSIS.
07:17:33 I URGE YOU, DO REVERSE OSMOSIS.
07:17:35 THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
07:17:36 IT COSTS A LITTLE MORE.
07:17:38 IT IS SAFE.
07:17:39 IT IS TESTED.
07:17:40 THE SYSTEM IN ALTAMONTE SPRINGS, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
07:17:43 THAT WILL WORK.
07:17:43 THAT'S SAFE.
07:17:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
07:17:47 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:17:57 >> GREETINGS, COUNCIL.
07:17:59 MY NAME IS ALEXANDER METCALF.
07:18:01 I'M A TAMPA NATIVE.
07:18:03 I'M ONE OF COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S TAMPA NATIVES THAT'S
07:18:06 MOVED BACK IN THE LAST YEAR, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE.
07:18:08 I COME BEFORE YOU IN SUPPORT OF THE CITY'S PLAN TO
07:18:11 PROVIDE TAMPA WITH SUSTAINABLE APPROACH TO CURRENT AND
07:18:14 FUTURE WATER NEEDS.
07:18:15 AS A FORMER LONGTIME EMPLOYEE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL
07:18:17 PROTECTION AGENCY, I'VE LEARNED TO TRUST IN CONSENSUS
07:18:23 SCIENCE.
07:18:23 I TRUST THE SCIENCE THAT TELLS US 150 PEOPLE ADDED TO OUR
07:18:27 REGION'S ALREADY LARGE POPULATION EVERY SINGLE DAY.
07:18:30 I TRUST THE SCIENCE THAT TELLS US WE'RE QUICKLY REACHING
07:18:32 THE END OF OUR ABILITY TO DRAW FRESHWATER FROM THE
07:18:35 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I TRUST THE
07:18:37 SCIENCE THAT TELLS US WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGIES TO FACE
07:18:39 THIS CRISIS HEAD ON.
07:18:40 THE MEASURES PRESENTED THIS EVENING BY THE CITY INCLUDE
07:18:44 SAFE, SUSTAINABLE, AND COST-EFFECTIVE WAYS OF ENSURING
07:18:47 THAT EVERY TAMPA RESIDENT HAS ACCESS TO PURE DRINKING
07:18:50 WATER FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
07:18:52 THROUGH TAXES AND FEES AND OTHER ECONOMIC MEASURES, WE
07:18:56 ARE ALL ASKED TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY FROM TIME TO
07:18:59 TIME, AND RIGHT NOW IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE TIMES.
07:19:02 TO ME, IN MY MIND, ISN'T SO MUCH A CHOICE AS IT IS A
07:19:07 RESPONSIBILITY.
07:19:07 IF WE CHOOSE OPTION FIVE AND WE DO NOTHING, WE COME BACK
07:19:10 HERE AGAIN IN FIVE YEARS TO HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION
07:19:14 ALL OVER AGAIN.
07:19:15 IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNCIL TO DO ITS PART TO
07:19:17 PUT THE FUTURE OF TAMPA AT THE FOREFRONT.
07:19:19 I STRONGLY URGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO SUPPORT THE
07:19:22 APPROPRIATE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR THIS PROJECT, AND I
07:19:26 HOPE THAT YOU WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
07:19:27 THANK YOU.
07:19:28 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:19:29 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:19:35 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
07:19:40 I'M MARLIN ANDERSON.
07:19:43 5007 WEST SAN JOSE STREET.
07:19:46 I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TOILET TO TAP.
07:19:49 I'VE READ THE REPORT BY THE WATER DEPARTMENT, THE FINAL
07:19:52 REPORT FROM AUGUST 2018.
07:19:55 THE REPORT LISTS VARIOUS MICROCONSTITUENTS, ALSO CALLED
07:19:59 CONTAMINANTS OF EMERGING CONCERN WHICH INCLUDE STEROIDS,
07:20:05 HORMONES, AND PHARMACEUTICALS.
07:20:08 RIGHT THERE IN THE REPORT, IT STATES THEY CANNOT REMOVE
07:20:10 THESE SUBSTANCES.
07:20:11 THE REPORT ANTICIPATES THAT THE AQUIFER WILL SOMEHOW
07:20:14 PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT FOR THESE CONTAMINANTS, BUT
07:20:19 THIS IS AN UNPROVEN THEORY, AND THERE EXISTS THE REAL
07:20:22 RISK THAT THESE CONTAMINANTS COULD ACTUALLY DAMAGE THE
07:20:25 AQUIFER.
07:20:26 FURTHERMORE, AFTER THE EFFLUENT IS INJECTED INTO THE
07:20:29 AQUIFER, THERE IS, IN FACT, NO POSSIBLE WAY TO PREVENT
07:20:32 THE EFFLUENT FROM SPREADING AROUND.
07:20:34 THEY CAN'T JUST CONTAIN IT.
07:20:35 IT'S GOING TO GO BELOW THE CITY, THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING
07:20:38 IT.
07:20:40 THEY WILL NOT BE USING REVERSE OSMOSIS IN THEIR
07:20:44 PRESENTATION.
07:20:44 MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE NOT PROVIDING THE HIGHEST AND
07:20:49 BEST POSSIBLE AND MOST THOROUGH LEVEL OF PURIFICATION FOR
07:20:53 THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DRINKING WATER IN THIS
07:20:55 CITY?
07:20:56 WHY ARE WE SETTLING FOR ANYTHING LESS?
07:20:58 SO BASED UPON ALL THIS, WE'RE EXPECTED TO ACCEPT THE CITY
07:21:04 ADMINISTRATION SPENDING 300, 350 MILLION, WHATEVER IT
07:21:07 ENDS UP BEING, TO ROLL THE DICE WITH OUR HEALTH, TO ROLL
07:21:10 THE DICE WITH OUR AQUIFER, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD
07:21:13 IDEA.
07:21:13 INSTEAD, IF WE CAN DO THE PURPLE PIPES, LET'S DO MORE OF
07:21:17 THE PURPLE PIPES.
07:21:18 IF NOT, LET'S DO NOTHING.
07:21:20 THIS ISSUE CAME UP NINE YEARS AGO, IN 2010, I SPOKE OUT
07:21:25 AGAINST IT AT THAT TIME AND I SPOKE TO TAMPA BAY WATER.
07:21:29 THEY TOLD ME WE HAD PLENTY OF WATER TO LAST FOR THE NEXT
07:21:32 TEN YEARS.
07:21:32 I CALLED TAMPA BAY WATER AGAIN, THEY SAID WE HAVE ENOUGH
07:21:35 WATER TO LAST FOR THE NEXT NINE YEARS, AND THEY HAVE
07:21:37 THREE SEPARATE PROJECTS TO AUGMENT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW
07:21:43 INCLUDING EXPANDING THE DESAL PLANT.
07:21:45 SO I DO NOT SEE THIS DIRE NEED FOR US TO DO SOMETHING
07:21:48 RIGHT AWAY.
07:21:49 I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD EITHER DO NOTHING OR WE'LL DO THE
07:21:53 PURPLE PIPES.
07:21:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:21:54 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:21:55 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:21:59 >> LORRAINE PERRINO.
07:22:02 I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLANDS.
07:22:04 GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
07:22:05 LAST WEEK I ATTENDED THE WATER WASTEWATER MEETING AT KATE
07:22:08 JACKSON CENTER.
07:22:09 AS I INQUIRED AS TO HOW MUCH MY WATER BILL WOULD
07:22:11 INCREASE, I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THE PRESENTER, MR. BAIRD,
07:22:14 REMARKED THAT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MY
07:22:16 $51 WATER BILL.
07:22:18 ALTHOUGH I REMEMBER A TIME WHEN MY WATER BILL WAS $25.
07:22:22 14 YEARS AGO, I MADE A SMALL INVESTMENT TO HAVE ALL THE
07:22:25 GRASS REMOVED FROM MY FRONT, BACK, AND SIDE YARDS, AND IN
07:22:29 ITS PLACE I PLANTED A DROUGHT RESISTANT GROUND COVER IN
07:22:33 THE FRONT AND HAD BRICK INSTALLED IN THE BACK AND SIDE
07:22:36 YARDS.
07:22:36 I CONSERVE WATER AS A WAY OF LIFE.
07:22:38 I CONSIDER WATER TO BE A VERY PRECIOUS AND POTENTIALLY
07:22:42 LIMITED COMMODITY.
07:22:44 THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS TO RETHINK ITS APPROACH TO
07:22:47 CONSERVING WATER.
07:22:48 THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS TO BECOME VERY PROACTIVE IN
07:22:51 ENCOURAGING TAMPA'S RESIDENTS TO STOP USING OUR PRECIOUS
07:22:54 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER DRINKING WATER TO WATER THE LAWNS.
07:23:00 THE IDEA OF LAWNS WAS BROUGHT TO THIS COUNTRY BY PEOPLE
07:23:04 WHO HAD TRAVELED TO ENGLAND IN THE 1700s AND ADMIRED
07:23:07 THE LAWNS AT THE MANSIONS AT ARISTOCRATS.
07:23:11 CENTURIES LATER, THE ARISTOCRATS ARE MOSTLY GONE AND
07:23:14 MANSIONS IN DISREPAIR.
07:23:17 AMERICANS CONTINUE TO USE PURE DRINKING WATER TO WATER
07:23:21 THE LAWNS.
07:23:21 NOW THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ASKING RESIDENTS TO DRINK
07:23:26 TREATED TOILET WATER AS A WATER SAVING MEASURE WHILE
07:23:29 TAMPA'S RESIDENTS CONTINUE TO USE THE TREATED PURE RIVER
07:23:30 WATER TO WATER TO WATER ITS LAWNS.
07:23:32 IT'S IRRATIONAL.
07:23:33 THE CITY OF TAMPA SHOULD NOT SUBJECT ITS RESIDENTS TO
07:23:36 DRINKING TREATED TOILET WATER AND IT SHOULD DEFINITELY
07:23:38 NOT STORE TREATED, CONTAMINATED WASTEWATER INTO THE
07:23:41 FLORIDA AQUIFER.
07:23:43 BOTH ARE HORRIBLE IDEAS.
07:23:44 INSTEAD, THE CITY NEEDS TO INITIATE AN INTENSE PUBLIC
07:23:49 RELATIONS CAMPAIGN AND ENCOURAGE TAMPA'S RESIDENTS TO RID
07:23:53 THEMSELVES OF THEIR WATER-GUZZLING LAWNS AND TO PLANT
07:23:55 DROUGHT TOLERANT NATIVE PLANTS AND GROUND COVERS.
07:24:00 THAT WOULD SAVE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF
07:24:03 DRINKING WATER EACH YEAR WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HELP CITY
07:24:05 RESIDENTS SAVE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THEIR WATER BILLS.
07:24:08 JAMAICAN PORTER REED AND OTHER NATIVE PLANTS ALSO HAVE
07:24:12 THE ADDED BENEFIT OF NOURISHING WILDLIFE, BIRDS, BEES,
07:24:16 BUTTERFLIES, ET CETERA.
07:24:17 IN ADDITION, REMOVING LAWNS ALSO REMOVES SIGNIFICANT --
07:24:22 THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AIR POLLUTION CREATED BY LAWN
07:24:25 MOWERS AND OTHER YARD EQUIPMENT.
07:24:28 WITH THE CITY BECOMING PROACTIVE, ENTERPRISING AND
07:24:31 ENCOURAGING WITH REGARDS TO WATER CONSERVATION, MANY
07:24:34 TAMPA RESIDENTS WILL DECIDE THAT SAVING WATER IS VERY
07:24:37 BENEFICIAL TO THEM AND TO THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY
07:24:39 LIVE AND WILL FOLLOW THE CITY'S GOOD ADVICE.
07:24:42 HAPPILY, NONE OF US WILL HAVE TO DRINK THE WATER FLUSHED
07:24:45 DOWN OUR TOILETS THAT WILL RESULT IN NOT ONLY DECREASING
07:24:48 OUR QUALITY OF LIFE BUT WILL ALSO RESULT IN PEOPLE
07:24:50 AVOIDING VISITING OR MOVING TO TAMPA IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE
07:24:53 TO DRINK TREATED TOILET WATER.
07:24:56 QUALITY OF WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT PEOPLE
07:24:58 INVESTIGATE BEFORE THEY MOVE THEIR FAMILIES OR BUSINESSES
07:25:01 TO A NEW CITY.
07:25:02 AS A THIRD GENERATION TAMPANIAN, I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT
07:25:06 TAMPA HAS ALWAYS HAD QUALITY DRINKING WATER AND IT ALWAYS
07:25:09 SHOULD HAVE.
07:25:10 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
07:25:11 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:25:14 >> HELLO.
07:25:14 MY NAME IS BENJAMIN OCHSLORN.
07:25:18 I'M THE WATER REUSE CHAIR OF THE LOCAL SIERRA CLUB.
07:25:22 I'M THE ONE THAT WROTE THE MEMO THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE
07:25:25 GOTTEN.
07:25:25 I'M GOING TO DO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA SUGGESTED,
07:25:33 AND THAT'S TO PUT OURSELVES IN YOUR SHOES.
07:25:37 WHAT I WOULD DO IS VOTE TO NOT ADD THE 300 MILLION FOR
07:25:41 TOILET TO TAP.
07:25:42 THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION TODAY DID NOT INSPIRE
07:25:46 CONFIDENCE IN WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
07:25:48 WHAT I WOULD DO IS JUST TAKE THAT OUT.
07:25:53 THE DO-NOTHING OPTION DOESN'T MEAN DO NOTHING ON FINDING
07:25:57 ADDITIONAL WATER.
07:25:58 IT MEANS TO DO NOTHING THROUGH THE TAMPA WATER DEPARTMENT
07:26:02 CONTINUING WITH THE TAP PROGRAM.
07:26:05 WHAT WE'RE ASKING, AND WHAT I WOULD DO AS ONE OF YOU AND
07:26:11 WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE MAYOR TO DO IS TO PURSUE WATER
07:26:16 AUGMENTATION THROUGH TAMPA BAY WATER.
07:26:18 THEY USE THE AQUIFER JUST LIKE TAMPA WOULD USE THE
07:26:24 AQUIFER IN HERE.
07:26:25 REALLY NEEDS TO BE A JOINT EFFORT.
07:26:28 THERE NEEDS TO BE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS THAT ADDRESS
07:26:35 WHAT WOULD BE PUT INTO THE AQUIFER.
07:26:38 BASICALLY, THE CHEMICAL STUFF NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT
07:26:41 THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE REVERSE OSMOSIS.
07:26:44 BUT DO THIS THROUGH TAMPA BAY WATER RATHER THAN ON YOUR
07:26:49 OWN.
07:26:50 AND IF THE 82 WHATEVER IS HIT IN A FEW YEARS, IF YOU NEED
07:26:55 TO ASK TO INCREASE THAT, THEN DO THAT INSTEAD OF THE 300
07:27:02 MILLION.
07:27:04 I'M AGREEING WITH WHAT FOUR OF YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP TODAY.
07:27:07 THANK YOU.
07:27:09 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:27:10 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:27:13 >> NANCY STEVENS.
07:27:15 I'M ALSO WITH THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB.
07:27:17 I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
07:27:19 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LOOKING LIKE AT PROVIDING CLEAN
07:27:22 WATER TO TAMPA.
07:27:23 OF COURSE, WE NEED THAT.
07:27:24 BUT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR CONVERSATION, FIXING THE LEAKY
07:27:30 PIPES AND AUGMENTING WITH FINES TO TAMPA BAY WATER AND
07:27:34 THE RECLAIMED PIPES.
07:27:35 CONVERTING SEWAGE WATER TO DRINKING WATER IS RISKY.
07:27:42 THERE'S A LOT OF CONTAMINANTS IN DRINKING WATER.
07:27:44 I WANT TO SHOW A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
07:27:46 THIS IS A TABLE FROM THE REPORT.
07:27:55 THE FIRST COLUMN IS -- MOST OF THE ITEMS IN GRAY, THESE
07:27:59 ARE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE SEWAGE WATER COMING OUT THAT
07:28:03 DON'T MEET DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
07:28:05 SEWAGE WATER DOESN'T MEET DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
07:28:09 I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE.
07:28:11 THESE ARE A BUNCH OF CONTAMINANTS THAT DON'T MEET THE
07:28:16 STANDARDS.
07:28:16 THERE'S A BUNCH OF ALSO, AS KENT MENTIONED, OTHER
07:28:20 STANDARDS, AND, BY THE WAY, DRINKING WATER STANDARDS ARE
07:28:22 THE MINIMUM THAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE FOR QUALITY, BECAUSE
07:28:26 WITH SEWAGE WATER, BUNCH OF THINGS IN SEWAGE WATER THAT
07:28:29 YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE LOOKING FOR.
07:28:30 MICROCONTAMINANTS, A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS HERE THAT ARE
07:28:35 FOR ANOTHER SET OF STANDARDS THAT IT DOESN'T MEET.
07:28:39 BUNCH OF THINGS THAT AREN'T MET.
07:28:41 WATER HAS TO BE TREATED.
07:28:43 AS MENTIONED, KNOWN THINGS, REVERSE OSMOSIS CAN DO IT.
07:28:48 NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT.
07:28:50 YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT IN THE AQUIFER AND HOPE THE AQUIFER
07:28:54 DOES IT.
07:28:54 FOR THE TAP 2 PROPOSAL, HOW IS THIS WATER TREATED?
07:29:03 WELL, HERE ARE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO DEAL WITH SOME OF
07:29:07 THE THINGS THAT WOULDN'T BE HANDLED BY USING LIGHT, I
07:29:12 BELIEVE.
07:29:12 WHAT CONCERNS ME ARE SOME OF THE ANSWERS, HOW WERE THEY
07:29:16 TREATED.
07:29:17 THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS TO SUGGEST WATER QUALITY
07:29:20 EXEMPTIONS AND FOR ANOTHER TO SEEK ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT
07:29:23 REQUIREMENTS.
07:29:23 INSTEAD OF MEETING THE DRINKING WATER REQUIREMENTS, THEY
07:29:27 ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN CHANGE THE
07:29:30 REQUIREMENTS SO THE WATER THEY HAVE PASSES, NOT THAT IT'S
07:29:33 SAFE IT JUST PASSES SOME RULES.
07:29:36 THAT'S THE CONCERN WE HAVE.
07:29:37 WE WANT SAFE WATER.
07:29:38 WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES SO THAT THE WATER WE
07:29:40 HAVE IS SAFE.
07:29:41 TAPS ARE HIGH-RISK PROPOSAL THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE
07:29:48 REMOVAL OF HARMFUL CONTAMINANTS IN THE WATER.
07:29:51 NO EVIDENCE IN THE REPORT THAT TAP WITHOUT ADDITIONAL
07:29:54 FILTER SUCH AS REVERSE OSMOSIS WILL BE ABLE TO DELIVER
07:29:58 SAFE DRINKING WATER.
07:29:59 IN ADDITION, THE RISK OF POLLUTING THE AQUIFER OR EVEN
07:30:03 DESTROYING THE AQUIFER.
07:30:06 MORE STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
07:30:08 TAMPA DOES NEED SAFE DRINKING WATER.
07:30:10 WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE PROVIDE SAFE DRINKING
07:30:13 WATER.
07:30:14 FUNDING TO RUNNING PIPES AND PUTTING OUT BROCHURES TO
07:30:18 CONVINCE THE PUBLIC --
07:30:19 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:30:19 NEXT PLEASE.
07:30:25 >> HI.
07:30:25 CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
07:30:26 I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
07:30:29 I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO BEING
07:30:34 INFORMED ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY CITY.
07:30:36 WHEN MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT THE FOUR MEETINGS ABOUT
07:30:40 THIS, THAT WAS THE FIRST I HEARD OF IT.
07:30:42 IF I HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT, I CAN TELL YOU MOST OF THE
07:30:46 PEOPLE HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT.
07:30:48 THERE HAS NOT BEEN THE APPROPRIATE OPPORTUNITY FOR
07:30:50 RESIDENTIAL INPUT AND EDUCATION ON THIS.
07:30:53 I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
07:30:56 I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT JUST LISTENING TO THIS, I HEARD
07:31:00 THEM -- ONE OF THE COUNCIL PERSONS ASKED ABOUT, WELL, HOW
07:31:04 LONG HAS THIS BEEN USED?
07:31:06 AND WHO ELSE DOES IT?
07:31:08 HE TALKED ABOUT THE ALAFIA RIVER, HE TALKED ABOUT LAKE
07:31:10 LANIER, AND HE TALKED ABOUT POTABLE REUSE AND ALL THESE
07:31:14 PLACES.
07:31:15 I DIDN'T HEAR HIM SAY ONCE AQUIFER.
07:31:18 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING STUFF IN THE AQUIFER OF ALL
07:31:23 THOSE HUNDRED AND SO OR DECADES OR SO, HOW MANY OF THOSE
07:31:26 HAVE INVOLVED PUMPING WATER INTO THE AQUIFER?
07:31:29 I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS MISLEADING, WHICH CONCERNS ME,
07:31:32 BECAUSE WHAT ELSE IS BEING SAID THAT IS MISLEADING US?
07:31:36 WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN.
07:31:39 WE NEED TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS.
07:31:41 THERE NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC INPUT AND EDUCATION.
07:31:44 I ALSO WANT TO JUST ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF DENSITY IN
07:31:48 TAMPA ALTOGETHER.
07:31:49 YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THIS TALK OF PEOPLE MOVING HERE.
07:31:53 ONE OF THE REASONS THAT'S CITED IN NATIONAL STUDIES OF
07:31:56 AREAS FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE IS THE COST OF LIVING OR HOW
07:31:59 MUCH MONEY THEY SAVED BY MOVING SOMEPLACE.
07:32:02 WELL, IF WE NEED MORE INFRASTRUCTURE OF ANY TYPE TO
07:32:07 SUPPORT THE INCREASED POPULATION, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO
07:32:10 WANT TO MOVE HERE NEED TO PAY FOR IT.
07:32:12 THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE SHOULD NOT BE
07:32:16 SUBSIDIZING THOSE MOVES.
07:32:20 WE ARE NOT LIMITLESS.
07:32:22 YOU CANNOT POUR A GALLON INTO A QUART CONTAINER.
07:32:30 THERE ARE CERTAIN NATURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE GOING TO
07:32:31 NATURALLY DICTATE THE POPULATION.
07:32:33 IF MONEY HAS TO BE INVESTED TO SUPPORT A GREATER
07:32:38 POPULATION, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE NEED TO
07:32:41 PAY FOR THAT.
07:32:42 NOT THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE TO SUBSIDIZE IT, SO IT'S
07:32:45 CHEAPER FOR THEM TO MOVE HERE.
07:32:46 I'M NOT AN EXPERT, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS,
07:32:51 BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
07:32:53 WHEN YOU'RE PERMITTING NEW CONSTRUCTION AND AN INCREASE
07:32:57 IN DENSITY, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
07:33:01 ARE THE NEW HOMES REQUIRING RAIN BARRELS TO HELP PAY FOR
07:33:04 THEIR LAWN IRRIGATION?
07:33:05 HOAs LIKE WHERE MY SISTER LIVED, WHO REQUIRE THEM TO
07:33:09 HAVE A ST. AUGUSTINE LAWN, ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS BEING
07:33:13 ELIMINATED?
07:33:15 NEW CONSTRUCTION, ARE THEY REQUIRING LANDSCAPING THAT'S
07:33:20 NOT GOING TO USE AS MUCH WATER?
07:33:22 THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE EXAMINED.
07:33:24 I URGE YOU TO TAKE THE TIME, ESPECIALLY AS A NEW COUNCIL
07:33:27 TO DO SO.
07:33:29 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:33:30 OUR LAST SPEAKER.
07:33:32 >> HELLO.
07:33:33 NICOLE BELLO.
07:33:34 5009 EXCELLENCE BOULEVARD.
07:33:37 I'M A CURRENT USF STUDENT.
07:33:39 I JUST WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING ONE OF THE REASONS I
07:33:42 LOVE USF AND LOVE TAMPA WAS FOR INNOVATIVE NATURE.
07:33:46 I BELIEVE WE SHOULD LOOK TOWARDS SCIENCE AND LOOK TOWARDS
07:33:49 SUPPORTING THE PIPES PROJECT TO BE MORE INNOVATIVE AND
07:33:52 SUSTAIN OUR WATER RESOURCES.
07:33:54 IF WE WAIT UNTIL WE REACH OUR MAXIMUM CAPACITY, I BELIEVE
07:33:58 IT WILL BE TOO LATE, AND I SUPPORT THE DECISIONS THAT
07:34:06 ONCE IT'S TOO LATE, IT WILL COST MORE TO FIX LATER ON.
07:34:10 AND I WANT TO LIVE A SAFE AND PRODUCTIVE LIFE.
07:34:15 I KNOW TAMPA, I CALL TAMPA MY HOME.
07:34:18 I WANT TO KEEP CONTINUING TO CALL TAMPA MY HOME FOR THE
07:34:21 REST OF MY LIFE.
07:34:22 I HOPE TO BE A SPARK IN THE YOUNGER GENERATION TO SUPPORT
07:34:26 THE PIPES PROJECT.
07:34:27 THANK YOU.
07:34:27 >>LUIS VIERA: LET ME ASK, IS YOUR FATHER JOSE?
07:34:31 >> NO.
07:34:33 >>LUIS VIERA: BELLO.
07:34:34 >> THERE'S A LOT OF US.
07:34:38 >>LUIS VIERA: I TRIED.
07:34:40 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
07:34:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAD ASKED A QUESTION, HOW LONG HAD
07:34:45 THIS BEEN DONE IN OTHER PLACES, HOW MANY PLACES HAVE DONE
07:34:48 IT AND WHATNOT?
07:34:49 I KNOW ONE OF THE ANSWERS WAS, THEY WENT TO TOKYO, THEY
07:34:53 WENT TO JAPAN TO GET AN AWARD FOR THE PROCESS FOR THE
07:34:55 SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
07:34:56 IT MADE ME THINK OF OTHER THINGS THAT GOT AWARDS, LIKE
07:34:59 DDT IN THE LATE 1940s.
07:35:03 DDT IN THE LATE 1940s, I THINK MUELLER, PAUL MUELLER
07:35:12 RECEIVED THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR ITS USE IN 1948.
07:35:15 YEARS LATER, WE STARTED SEEING IT BANNED BECAUSE OF IT
07:35:18 BEING LINKED TO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH ANIMALS IN THE
07:35:23 WILD.
07:35:24 CARCINOGENS LEADING TO CANCER AND WHATNOT.
07:35:28 IN THE BEGINNING, PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT DURING
07:35:30 WORLD WAR II FOR USE AGAINST MALARIA, AND THIS AND THAT.
07:35:34 THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT NUCLEAR TESTING IN THE '40s AND
07:35:37 '50s, THE SAFETY MEASURES WERE STAY FAR AWAY FROM THE
07:35:40 BLAST AND DON'T LOOK AT THE BLAST.
07:35:44 YEARS LATER SO MANY PEOPLE EXPOSED TO THE RADIATION GOT
07:35:48 CANCER.
07:35:48 MAYBE I'M GOING TO AN EXTREME, HOW IT'S FILTERED, HOW
07:35:53 IT'S DONE, THE SCIENCE BEHIND IT.
07:35:55 IF WE PUMP IT INTO THE AQUIFER, WHICH WE CAN'T PULL OUT
07:35:58 AND YEARS LATER PEOPLE START GETTING SICK AND WE START
07:36:00 WONDERING WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SICK IN 20, 30, 40
07:36:03 YEARS.
07:36:04 MAYBE I'M THINKING TOO FAR BEYOND, BUT I COMPARE TO DDT
07:36:07 AND NUCLEAR TESTING AND ALL THESE THINGS DEEMED SAFE AND
07:36:10 STATE OF THE ART AND AWARD-WINNING, BUT THEN ONCE PEOPLE
07:36:12 GET SICK, ONCE IT'S OUT THERE, YOU CAN'T REVERSE IT.
07:36:16 ONCE YOU PUMP SOMETHING INTO THE AQUIFER AND YOU SEE
07:36:18 THERE'S DAMAGE OR SOME NEGATIVITY BEHIND IT OR LEADING TO
07:36:22 SOMETHING GREATER THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL, WE CAN'T PULL IT
07:36:25 OUT OF THE AQUIFER.
07:36:26 WE CAN'T REVERSE THE PROCESS.
07:36:28 MAYBE I THINK TOO MUCH BECAUSE I'M KNOWN TO OVERTHINK
07:36:31 EVERYTHING, BUT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE'RE
07:36:34 PLAYING WITH OUR WATER SUPPLY AND POTENTIALLY PEOPLE'S
07:36:37 HEALTH.
07:36:38 MAYBE NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT DECADES DOWN THE ROAD.
07:36:42 THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS.
07:36:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN THE NUCLEAR PROGRAM RAMPED UP HERE
07:36:51 IN THE UNITED STATES, BOTH MILITARY AND FOR ELECTRICAL
07:36:54 USE, OUR GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO JUST DUMP IT AT THE BOTTOM
07:36:58 OF THE PACIFIC OCEAN.
07:37:00 WE SAW THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT.
07:37:02 SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
07:37:04 I WOULD RATHER NOT DO ANYTHING TO OUR AQUIFERS.
07:37:10 THANK YOU.
07:37:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:37:12 I DIDN'T COME FOR A CONFESSION PARTY, BUT SINCE EVERYONE
07:37:15 TALKED ABOUT CONFESSIONS, I'LL CONFESS MYSELF.
07:37:18 I DON'T HAVE A LAWN.
07:37:21 I'VE GOT ROCKS.
07:37:22 NOT TODAY, BUT 20 YEARS AGO.
07:37:24 I GOT WHITE GRASS.
07:37:26 I DON'T HAVE TO MOW.
07:37:29 I DON'T HAVE TO WATER, BUT I DO HAVE TO SEED BECAUSE THE
07:37:31 BIRDS COME UP AND THEY DROP THE SEEDS AND I HAVE TO PICK
07:37:34 UP THE LITTLE SAMPLINGS OF ALL THE DISEASES I DON'T WANT.
07:37:42 SECOND, I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO BRING A WATER BILL LOWER
07:37:47 THAN MINE.
07:37:48 IN 2018, I PUT MYSELF TO A TEST THAT I WANTED TO GO ONE
07:37:51 YEAR WITHOUT ONE UNIT OF WATER BEING USED EVERY MONTH.
07:37:55 I GOT REAL CLOSE, BUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT SCREWED ME UP.
07:37:59 FOR 11 MONTHS, I HAD ZERO.
07:38:02 BUT ON THE 12th MONTH WHEN I SAID I WAS GOING TO HAVE
07:38:05 SUCCESS -- YOU CHALLENGE YOURSELF TO THESE THINGS -- I
07:38:07 GOT ONE.
07:38:08 AND I LOOKED AT THE BILL, AT FIRST I SAID, YOU KNOW, I
07:38:13 FAILED UNTIL I LOOKED AT THE BILL AGAIN, AND THE WATER
07:38:17 DEPARTMENT DURING THE HOLIDAYS GAVE THAT WATER METER
07:38:21 THREE MORE DAYS.
07:38:22 SO IT WAS THE 34th DAY THEY CHECKED THE METER, NOT ON
07:38:26 THE 30th.
07:38:27 IN MY MIND, I STILL LOST BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT ON PAPER.
07:38:31 HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME.
07:38:34 IT'S JUST ABOUT CONVERSATION.
07:38:35 I ALSO DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR.
07:38:39 I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF AN ENVIRONMENTALIST.
07:38:43 I JUST PRACTICE LIKE ENVIRONMENTALIST.
07:38:45 ONE YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND ONE THAT DOESN'T.
07:38:48 SO THAT'S HOW I THINK.
07:38:50 DOESN'T MAKE ME A GOOD GUY.
07:38:52 CERTAINLY DOESN'T MAKE ME A BAD GUY.
07:38:54 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS OPTION, I THINK ONE OR TWO OF
07:38:57 THESE OPTIONS HAVE ULTRAVIOLET.
07:39:00 OPTION THREE, REVERSE OSMOSIS.
07:39:02 SO I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S THE OPTION TO TAKE OR NOT TO
07:39:09 TAKE.
07:39:10 BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
07:39:13 SOMETIME BACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WAS, IN FACT, I
07:39:15 FORGOT THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME.
07:39:17 BUT I PAID HIS FLIGHT FROM CALIFORNIA TO COME HERE, AND
07:39:20 WE HELD THE SYMPOSIUM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
07:39:23 I THINK MR. BAIRD WAS THERE.
07:39:25 SOMEBODY ELSE PAID FOR HIS HOTEL AND SOMEBODY ELSE PAID
07:39:30 FOR HIS MEAL.
07:39:31 THAT'S CALLED REVENUE SHARING.
07:39:32 OVER 200 PEOPLE THERE, NOT ONE AFTER THAT MAN SPOKE WAS
07:39:39 AGAINST IT.
07:39:39 NOT ONE LIVING MICROBE WHEN THAT PROCESS THAT THAT
07:39:45 GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT WAS IN ANY WATER THAT THEY SERVE
07:39:49 IN CALIFORNIA.
07:39:49 LET ME GO FURTHERMORE.
07:39:52 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT CAME UP ABOUT WATER,
07:39:57 AND THINGS -- WE CAN'T CONTROL EVERYTHING IN LIFE.
07:40:00 IF WE COULD, THERE WOULD BE NO HURRICANES.
07:40:03 NO ONE WOULD DIE, AND WE WOULD BE EATING EACH OTHER
07:40:05 BECAUSE WE WOULD BE OVERPOPULATED.
07:40:07 SO THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE ON EARTH IS US.
07:40:11 PEOPLE SAY, OH, SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE EARTH.
07:40:16 I KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE EARTH.
07:40:19 NOT THE EARTH.
07:40:20 IT'S THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH.
07:40:22 WE'VE KILLED THE WILDLIFE.
07:40:23 WE DESTROYED THE WATERWAYS.
07:40:26 WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SCENES THAT I SEE ON
07:40:28 TELEVISION ABOUT THE RIVERS AND THE LAKES AND WHAT'S
07:40:31 HAPPENING, LARGER THAN THE SIZE OF TEXAS, THERE'S A PLACE
07:40:34 IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN THAT'S DEAD, OF PLASTIC, BECAUSE WE,
07:40:40 THE HUMANS DID IT.
07:40:41 NO ONE ELSE DID IT.
07:40:43 WE THE HUMAN DID IT.
07:40:44 WHAT HAPPENED IN RUSSIA THE OTHER DAY WASN'T A ROCKET
07:40:47 THAT HAD AN ENGINE THAT WAS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT
07:40:51 HAD AN ENGINE PROPELLED BY NUCLEAR FUEL.
07:40:54 IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT EXPLODED BECAUSE RADIATION
07:40:58 TESTING ALL OVER RIGHT TODAY AS WE SPEAK.
07:41:04 I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE MEDIA, WHAT THEY CALL IT,
07:41:09 UNTRUTHFUL, UNRELIABLE, WHATEVER IT IS.
07:41:12 BUT MEDIA REPORTS WHAT WE DO.
07:41:14 IF ANYBODY IS WRONG, IT'S NOT THE MEDIA.
07:41:17 IT'S US, THEY ARE REPORTING WHAT WE DID, ROYALTY OR
07:41:21 WRONGLY -- RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY.
07:41:23 IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL.
07:41:26 IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE ENJOYED WORKING AND DOING
07:41:30 THESE THINGS.
07:41:31 IT COMES A TIME THAT THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, AND WE
07:41:34 EITHER MOVE FORWARD OR MOVE BACKWARDS, BUT WE CAN'T STAY
07:41:38 STILL.
07:41:38 YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS SOONER OR LATER, THINGS I'VE
07:41:45 HEARD TODAY, KEEP BUYING WATER.
07:41:46 IF YOU THINK THE WATER RATE IS GOING TO GO HIGH, KEEP
07:41:50 BUYING WATER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
07:41:52 THERE IS A PASS THROUGH THAT COMES EVERY MONTH.
07:41:55 I HARDLY EVER GET IT, BUT I SEE IT THERE.
07:41:59 IT IRKS ME WHEN I GET CHARGED FOR WATER FROM SOMEBODY
07:42:03 ELSE.
07:42:04 WE ARE GOVERNED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THIS CITY.
07:42:07 WE HAVE BEEN SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHEN.
07:42:09 HAVE WE MADE MISTAKES?
07:42:11 WE DO.
07:42:12 SO HAVE THEY.
07:42:13 SO HAVE YOU, I THINK.
07:42:14 WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEINGS.
07:42:17 PRESENTATION TODAY WAS ADEQUATE.
07:42:19 WAS IT THE BEST I'VE SEEN?
07:42:21 NO.
07:42:22 I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
07:42:23 IT WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO THE COMPARISON OF OTHER AREAS
07:42:26 THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO
07:42:28 TO SHOW HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN DOING THESE THINGS.
07:42:33 I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED IN THE PRESENTATION OR THE
07:42:37 PRESENTERS.
07:42:37 BUT THE SUBJECT MATTER WAS NOT ADDRESSED DIRECTLY.
07:42:40 I THINK IF THERE'S ANY FAULT, IT DICE IN THE SUBJECT
07:42:43 MATTER -- DIES IN THE SUBJECT MATTER NOT BEING DIRECTLY
07:42:47 COMPARED TO ANOTHER SYSTEM AND HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN
07:42:49 USING IT AND HOW MANY DEATHS WERE CAUSED BY IT.
07:42:52 FEAR, LIKE CHURCHILL SAID, IS THE ONLY THING YOU DON'T
07:42:55 HAVE TO FEAR.
07:42:57 BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, NOTHING IN THIS WORLD LASTS FOREVER.
07:43:02 NOT THIS MICROPHONE.
07:43:03 NOT THIS PIECE OF WOOD, NOT CHARLIE MIRANDA FOR SURE, BUT
07:43:07 ALL OF US ARE IN THIS BOAT RIDE TOGETHER AND WE'RE NOT
07:43:14 GOING TO SWIM AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SINK.
07:43:17 WE'RE GOING TO SUCCEED.
07:43:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:43:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, AS THE LEGEND YOU ARE, YOU
07:43:24 BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF POINTS I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS.
07:43:26 THAT'S WHY YOU'RE CALLED A LEGEND.
07:43:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, YOU'RE THE LEGEND, SIR.
07:43:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU TALKED ABOUT FEAR.
07:43:33 WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION, THEY'RE
07:43:37 FEARFUL.
07:43:38 I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE.
07:43:39 WHEN I FIRST MET THE STAFF.
07:43:45 WE HAVE A GOOD STAFF, THE WATER DEPARTMENT GUYS.
07:43:46 THEY WORK HARD.
07:43:47 I HAVE TO GIVE THEM THEIR PROPS.
07:43:49 THEY ARE TRYING HARD TO GET AN IDEA TO THIS COUNCIL AND
07:43:54 THE PUBLIC.
07:43:54 WHEN I FIRST MET THEM ALL, MARKETING IS THE KEY TO
07:43:57 ANYTHING.
07:43:58 MARKETING IS GOING TO BE THE KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF YOUR
07:44:02 PROJECTS.
07:44:03 AGAIN, WE DIDN'T MARKET WELL.
07:44:06 WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS OF OTHER CITIES.
07:44:10 I ASKED ABOUT THAT SEVERAL TIMES.
07:44:12 I TALKED ABOUT THAT.
07:44:13 TELL ME OTHER PLACES DOING THIS, SHOW ME VIDEO.
07:44:20 WE NEVER GOT THOSE THINGS.
07:44:22 THAT IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THOSE FEW CITIES.
07:44:25 PEOPLE ARE VISUAL.
07:44:26 THEY WANT TO SEE HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS.
07:44:28 WHO'S DOING IT, WHO'S GOT IT.
07:44:32 PRESENTATION IS EVERYTHING, SOMETIMES.
07:44:33 YOU KNOW, AS A POLICE OFFICER, WHEN YOU ARE TASKED WITH
07:44:38 DOING A JOB, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS, YOU DON'T
07:44:42 HAVE ALL THE TOOLS, IT DOESN'T WORK.
07:44:46 YOU'RE GOING TO GET HURT.
07:44:47 YOU MAY NOT COME HOME.
07:44:49 CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT KNOWS THAT.
07:44:54 YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE TOOLS OR YOU'RE NOT GIVEN WHAT YOU
07:44:57 NEED TO BE PREPARED WE GET HURT.
07:45:03 UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS DECENT, BUT
07:45:06 IT WASN'T ALL THERE.
07:45:07 THAT'S WHY I MADE THE STATEMENT EARLIER, YES, THERE WILL
07:45:14 COME A TIME WE NEED WATER.
07:45:17 BUT WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE
07:45:19 CAN UNDERSTAND THESE PROCESSES.
07:45:21 I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT YET.
07:45:24 TO GIVE $300 MILLION TO SOMETHING WE'RE NOT SURE OF RIGHT
07:45:28 NOW OR THE PUBLIC IS UNSURE.
07:45:29 YOU GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE MEETINGS, I SAID, PEOPLE
07:45:35 TALKING ABOUT PIPES.
07:45:36 THEY SAY, OKAY, PUT PIPES DOWN THERE.
07:45:39 THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WATER SITUATION, WHAT WE'RE
07:45:45 TRYING TO DO AS THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE.
07:45:47 I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE DROPPED THE FOOTBALL.
07:45:49 WE FUMBLED.
07:45:50 NOTHING IS EVER DEAD.
07:45:53 IF YOU DON'T TRY, YOU TRY AGAIN.
07:45:58 I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY AGAIN BECAUSE IT WILL
07:46:01 COME UP AGAIN.
07:46:02 UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE WATER ISSUE AT THIS
07:46:06 TIME.
07:46:06 BUT IF IT WAS DEALING WITH THOSE PIPES, I WOULD BE FOR
07:46:10 THAT ALL DAY LONG BECAUSE THAT'S A NEEDED ITEM RIGHT NOW.
07:46:14 EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
07:46:15 BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS WATER DECISION BECAUSE I DON'T
07:46:17 HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
07:46:19 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, THE PEOPLE, HOW
07:46:22 IT'S GOING TO HURT SOME FOLKS.
07:46:26 I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS IT, WHAT THEIR SUCCESS, THE RATES OF
07:46:31 PEOPLE GETTING SICK.
07:46:32 IT MAY BE VERY LOW.
07:46:34 IT MAY BE NONE.
07:46:35 BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF DATA.
07:46:38 I THINK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE
07:46:40 THIS TYPE OF MONEY, AND WE'VE GOT OTHER ISSUES IN THE
07:46:43 CITY GOING ON, THAT $300 MILLION CAN BE UTILIZED FOR, TO
07:46:49 ME, I THINK WE FUMBLED THE BALL.
07:46:51 AGAIN, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE WATER AT THIS TIME, BUT IF WE
07:46:55 TALKED ABOUT PIPES GOING IN THE GROUND FOR SEWER, AND
07:46:58 THESE WATER ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, I WOULD BE ALL FOR THAT.
07:47:01 BUT I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME.
07:47:04 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:47:05 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:47:08 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE LISTENED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND
07:47:10 HEALTH CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE OF THE CITY AND ENGINEERS AND
07:47:15 OTHERS HAVE GIVEN.
07:47:16 BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT I THINK THIS IS FISCALLY
07:47:19 RECKLESS AND THE TIMING IS WRONG.
07:47:21 IN TEN YEARS, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PROJECT, AND
07:47:25 THEN THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT SHOULD BE OWNED BY THE
07:47:28 CITY OF TAMPA OR BY SOMEONE LIKE TAMPA BAY WATER AND
07:47:30 WHETHER IT SHOULD BE REVERSE OSMOSIS OR SOME OTHER
07:47:33 TECHNOLOGY.
07:47:34 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND IT
07:47:39 WAS IN MY MEMO TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT WHICH THEY NEVER
07:47:42 ANSWERED IN WRITING.
07:47:43 AS THEY SAID, WE STILL HAVE FOUR, FIVE MGD WE HAVEN'T
07:47:48 USED YET.
07:47:48 WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE ALL OF THAT UNTIL 2026.
07:47:53 IN 11 YEARS SO 2030, WE'RE GOING TO NEED 11 OR 12,
07:47:57 DEPENDING ON WHICH NUMBER YOU BELIEVE, 11 OR 12 MILLION
07:48:01 GALLONS A DAY.
07:48:02 THERE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 7 AND 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
07:48:06 LOST BECAUSE OF BROKEN PIPES THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO
07:48:08 SPEND $2.9 BILLION FIXING.
07:48:11 EVEN IF WE GOT TWO OR THREE MGD OF THAT BACK, THAT STILL
07:48:15 TAKES US FOR TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS.
07:48:17 TAMPA BAY WATER AND I THINK S.W.F.W.M.D. ESTIMATE THAT
07:48:19 THROUGH CONSERVATION EFFORTS, WHICH THEY ARE WILLING TO
07:48:21 FUND TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON AND CITY OF TAMPA HAS
07:48:24 TURNED THEM DOWN, THAT WE COULD SAVE FOUR TO FIVE MILLION
07:48:28 CONSERVATIVELY, FOUR TO FIVE MGD, AND THROUGH
07:48:32 EFFICIENCIES FOUND, WE COULD SAVE MORE.
07:48:34 SO THERE'S EVERY REASON TO EXPECT THAT WE COULD GET TO 15
07:48:39 YEARS OR MORE WITHOUT ANYTHING.
07:48:41 AND CONSIDERING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE
07:48:43 PUBLIC THAT EVEN FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH IS A LOT TO ADD TO
07:48:47 THE BILL OF A FIXED-INCOME PERSON, I THINK IT'S RECKLESS
07:48:51 TO ADD ANYTHING EXTRA TO THE BILL THAT WE DON'T NEED.
07:48:53 IT'S RECKLESS TO ADD THIS TO OUR DEBT WHEN WE DON'T NEED
07:48:58 IT AND GO ON DOWN THE LINE.
07:48:59 IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION
07:49:02 THAT WE TAKE THE $350 MILLION OUT OF THE RATE CASE FOR
07:49:08 NEXT WEEK AND GET AN ANNUAL UPDATE FROM THE WATER
07:49:11 DEPARTMENT ON THE DEMAND AND IN THE MEANTIME STOP ALL THE
07:49:16 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING OUT TO STUDY THIS AND THEN ASK
07:49:19 THEM TO COME BACK IN FIVE YEARS AND ASK US OR GIVE US A
07:49:24 PROPOSAL OR GIVE FUTURE COUNCIL A PROPOSAL ON WHETHER TO
07:49:29 SPEND MONEY TO STUDY THIS AGAIN.
07:49:31 BUT WE DON'T NEED IT FOR MAYBE 15 OR 20 YEARS, AND SO WHY
07:49:35 WOULD WE ADDRESS IT NOW AND SPEND THE MONEY NOW WHEN WE
07:49:39 CAN WAIT AT LEAST FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE HAVE TO BRING IT
07:49:42 UP.
07:49:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE
07:49:45 SAYING TO LEAVE THE PIPES IN PLAY BUT TAKE OUT THE TAP
07:49:51 PROJECT.
07:49:51 >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, JUST DEDUCT FROM $3.2 BILLION,
07:49:55 WHATEVER EXACTLY IT IS, TAKE OUT AND WE'VE HEARD TWO
07:49:57 DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
07:49:58 300 AND 350 MILLION SO I'LL TAKE THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S
07:50:01 ADVICE ON THAT.
07:50:02 BUT BASED ON THEIR FIRST RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THEY
07:50:05 SAID 350.
07:50:06 TAKE THE 350 MILLION OUT SO INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR
07:50:09 $3.2 BILLION IN THE RATE CASE, WE WOULD ASK FOR -- WHAT
07:50:13 WAS THE MATH, 2.85 OR 2.95.
07:50:17 I'M TOLD BY LEGAL THAT DOING THAT WILL NOT CHANGE OUR
07:50:20 NOTICE PERIOD.
07:50:21 WE CAN STILL HAVE THE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.
07:50:24 WE CAN'T GO HIGHER THAN 3.2 BILLION, BUT WE CAN GO LOWER.
07:50:27 THAT WILL TAKE THIS OFF OUR CASE.
07:50:30 WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE TO SPEND
07:50:32 THREE OR FOUR HOURS TO DISCUSS, NEED TO DISCUSS THIS
07:50:36 RIGHT NOW.
07:50:36 WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE WATER.
07:50:38 BUT THE WATER WARS AND WATER PLANS WERE SOLVED IN AN
07:50:41 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BY THE CREATION OF TAMPA BAY WATER
07:50:43 21 YEARS AGO.
07:50:44 THERE'S ALL THE GEOPOLITICAL STUFF HERE WHICH COULD BREAK
07:50:48 THAT WATER AGREEMENT AND WE WILL WASTE MONEY AND
07:50:52 POTENTIALLY PUT THE PUBLIC AND ENVIRONMENT AT RISK IF WE
07:50:55 DO THIS.
07:50:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO ANSWER THIS.
07:50:57 THIS AGREEMENT DOES NOT BREAK THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
07:50:59 CITY OF TAMPA AND TAMPA BAY WATER.
07:51:00 I DON'T KNOW WHAT ENGINEER TOLD YOU THAT.
07:51:03 I DON'T KNOW WHAT ATTORNEY TOLD YOU THAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO
07:51:06 SPEAK TO THEM.
07:51:07 I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CITY, DOES THIS BREAK THE AGREEMENT
07:51:09 WITH TAMPA BAY WATER?
07:51:15 >>JAN McLEAN: JAN McLEAN, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
07:51:17 WHEN YOU MEAN THIS, YOU MEAN THE FOUR OPTIONS? YOU MEAN
07:51:20 THE TAP?
07:51:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE MEANT.
07:51:23 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
07:51:24 TAKE ALL FOUR OF THEM.
07:51:29 >>BILL CARLSON: I THOUGHT YOUR ANALYSIS EARLIER WAS VERY
07:51:33 FACTUAL.
07:51:34 THANK YOU FOR DOING IT.
07:51:35 AS I UNDERSTAND IT YOU CAN CORRECT ME, ONE OF THE
07:51:41 ATTORNEYS IN TAMPA BAY WATER GAVE AN OPINION THAT WE'RE
07:51:43 ALLOWED TO DO THIS.
07:51:46 ST. PETE AND MAYBE ONE OTHER ATTORNEY GAVE THE OPINION
07:51:49 THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT.
07:51:50 THEN TAMPA BAY WATER -- AND TAMPA BAY WATER IS THE MEMBER
07:51:53 GOVERNMENT, BOARD MEMBERS.
07:51:55 TAMPA BAY WATER HIRED THE ORIGINAL ATTORNEY WHO DEVELOPED
07:51:59 THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, LIKE GOING BACK TO THE
07:52:02 FOUNDING FATHERS -- WHAT ARE THEY CALLED, LOUIS --
07:52:07 >> AGREEMENT BACK IN '98.
07:52:09 >>BILL CARLSON: THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN, THE THING
07:52:11 THAT JEFFERSON.
07:52:15 >> THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE?
07:52:17 >>BILL CARLSON: THE DOCUMENTS THEY USED.
07:52:19 WHAT ARE THE PAPERS THAT THEY DEVELOPED.
07:52:23 THE FEDERALIST PAPERS.
07:52:27 SO THIS ATTORNEY HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE AGREEMENT.
07:52:30 HE HAS ALL THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, ALL THE ORIGINAL
07:52:32 E-MAILS, ALL THE ORIGINAL EVIDENCE AND HE CAME BACK WITH
07:52:34 AN OPINION THAT IT WOULD BREAK THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
07:52:37 AND THEN THE CITY OF TAMPA OBJECTED TO IT BECAUSE CITY OF
07:52:40 TAMPA ALSO WORKS WITH THAT LAW FIRM AND THEY OBJECTED TO
07:52:44 IT AND CONFLICTED HIM OUT.
07:52:47 OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TONIGHT GIVING THE
07:52:49 OPINION.
07:52:49 DID I GET IT AT ALL RIGHT?
07:52:51 >>JAN McLEAN: NO.
07:52:53 THE ONE PART THAT YOU DID GET RIGHT WAS THE GENERAL
07:53:00 COUNSEL OF TAMPA BAY WATER DID AGREE THAT THE PROPOSED
07:53:03 TAP MOU AGREEMENT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTERLOCAL
07:53:07 AGREEMENT.
07:53:09 AND THAT INCLUDED THE PORTION OF TAP THAT WOULD SUPPORT
07:53:13 OUR 82 AND THE INCREASED AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR
07:53:18 GROWTH.
07:53:18 BEYOND THAT, IT WAS SLIGHTLY INACCURATE, IN MY OPINION.
07:53:24 TAMPA BAY WATER ASKED FOR AN ATTORNEY WHO HAD BEEN PART
07:53:28 OF THE COMMITTEE OF 18.
07:53:31 I WAS ALSO WITHIN THE GROUP THAT DISCUSSED THE QUESTIONS
07:53:36 THAT WERE GOING TO COME UP.
07:53:38 THE WORDS ARE, AS ANY ATTORNEY SITTING HERE, THE WORDS ON
07:53:41 THE PAPER ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
07:53:44 I SAID THAT TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO DECIDED TO GIVE US A
07:53:47 LEGAL OPINION THAT DIDN'T SAY THAT WE COULDN'T DO TOP.
07:53:51 IT SAID THAT TAMPA BAY WATER WAS THE EXCLUSIVE WHOLESALE
07:53:55 PROVIDER OF POTABLE WATER TO ITS MEMBERS.
07:53:59 AND SO THEN THERE WAS INTERPRETATIONS OF HIS OPINION THAT
07:54:05 WERE USED TO MAKE STATEMENTS AGAIN THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
07:54:11 BEYOND THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION.
07:54:18 >>BILL CARLSON: MY MAIN ARGUMENT WAS NOT -- I FEEL
07:54:22 STRONGLY ABOUT NOT UNRAVELING A REGIONAL AGREEMENT.
07:54:25 THERE'S A LONG DISCUSSION AROUND THAT BESIDES THIS ISSUE.
07:54:28 BUT THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME IS JUST THE TIMING IS BAD.
07:54:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE'S ALSO, THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE
07:54:38 SIX MEMBER GOVERNMENTS, ARE THOSE ATTORNEYS THAT YOU DEAL
07:54:41 WITH ON A DAILY BASIS?
07:54:44 YOU DISCUSS THIS, DIDN'T YOU?
07:54:47 >>JAN McLEAN: YES, SIR.
07:54:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MANY VOTED AGAINST IT?
07:54:52 >>JAN McLEAN: WELL, THE ATTORNEYS DIDN'T TAKE A VOTE.
07:54:54 WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSED TAP AGREEMENT, WE HAD AGREED
07:55:01 IT COULD GO FORWARD BUT THE BOARD WANTED ADDITIONAL
07:55:04 CLAUSES ADDED TO THE AGREEMENT, SO IT NEVER FINALIZED?
07:55:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONLY ONE ATTORNEY THAT I HEARD UNDER
07:55:11 THE -- I DON'T MIND SAYING IT.
07:55:12 DON'T BOTHER ME ONE BIT.
07:55:15 THE ATTORNEY WHO REPRESENTED THE CITY OF ST. PETERSBURG
07:55:19 THROUGH THE DIRECTION OF THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL WAS THE
07:55:22 ONE THAT SAID, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, CAN'T DO THAT.
07:55:26 IT WAS A LETTER THAT LONG OF THINGS YOU COULDN'T DO.
07:55:30 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I WASN'T IN THE ROOM, THE REST OF
07:55:34 THE ATTORNEYS FELT PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY OF
07:55:38 TAMPA PLANNING ON DOING.
07:55:40 I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE 100%.
07:55:42 >>JAN McLEAN: WITH THE AGREEMENT AS IT WAS PROPOSED, YES,
07:55:44 SIR.
07:55:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
07:55:48 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
07:55:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS OUT IN THE HALLWAY A LITTLE
07:55:52 WHILE AGO.
07:55:53 THERE'S LIKE 40 PEOPLE WAITING FOR OUR ZONING HEARINGS TO
07:55:56 START.
07:55:56 I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT THIS OFF.
07:55:58 I THINK IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE
07:56:00 HAVING.
07:56:00 BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE JUST KIND OF GOING AROUND IN
07:56:03 CIRCLES.
07:56:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THESE ARE ISSUES THERE A COULD COME UP NEXT
07:56:08 WEEK.
07:56:08 WE'RE TECHNICALLY GOING DOWN, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A
07:56:10 RABBIT HOLE, THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES.
07:56:13 ISSUES WE TALK ABOUT NEEDING MORE INFORMATION.
07:56:16 ISSUES THAT REQUIRE BRIEFINGS FROM LEGAL IN TERMS OF THE
07:56:19 RAMIFICATIONS OF THE VOTES.
07:56:20 THAT'S MY OPINION.
07:56:21 BUT I'M IN CHARGE OF PROCEDURE, NOT NECESSARILY
07:56:25 SUBSTANCE.
07:56:28 >> WAS I ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION?
07:56:32 I DIDN'T GET A SECOND --
07:56:37 >> WERE YOU PUTTING A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?
07:56:39 >>BILL CARLSON: MY MOTION WAS TO DEDUCT $350 MILLION FROM
07:56:43 THE RATE CASE NEXT WEEK, AND STOP THE STUDYING OF THIS
07:56:50 PROJECT, AND THEN HAVE THE WATER DEPARTMENT COME BACK TO
07:56:54 US ANNUALLY FOR A DEMAND UPDATE.
07:57:01 AND THEN IN FIVE YEARS, PRESENT TO THE FUTURE COUNCIL A
07:57:05 PROPOSAL TO STUDY THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEEDED
07:57:09 FOR --
07:57:10 >> SECOND.
07:57:11 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BEFORE, IF I MAY,
07:57:14 I'VE CHAIRED THE MEETING, I ALWAYS TRADITIONALLY WAIT
07:57:17 UNTIL THE END.
07:57:18 I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, IF I MAY, REGARDING THAT.
07:57:20 I THINK THAT'S A VERY -- HOW CAN I CALL IT -- MOTION THAT
07:57:24 NEEDS MORE VETTING WITH REGARDS TO THE LEGAL
07:57:26 RAMIFICATIONS.
07:57:27 THAT'S MY OPINION.
07:57:28 I THINK TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT, AT THIS HOUR, IT'S ONLY
07:57:33 8:00, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL TAKEN UP, SO TO SPEAK.
07:57:38 WE HAVE A LOT OF HEARINGS AHEAD OF US, I THINK WOULD BE
07:57:41 PREMATURE, GIVEN THE POTENTIAL LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS THAT
07:57:44 FRANKLY WE NEED TO BE BRIEFED BY LEGAL.
07:57:46 THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.
07:57:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IRONICALLY, I GUESS ABOUT TWO MONTHS
07:57:52 AGO, STAFF STOOD THERE AT THAT PODIUM WITH OPTION A,
07:57:56 OPTION B, OPTION C.
07:57:57 ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED,
07:58:00 BILL.
07:58:00 IT WAS PIPES ALONE.
07:58:07 IT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS WITHOUT TAP.
07:58:10 DO YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT?
07:58:12 OKAY.
07:58:13 I DON'T WANT TO THINK THAT I JUST MADE IT UP.
07:58:15 BUT THEN IT GOT MERGED TOGETHER, AND THAT OPTION OF IT
07:58:22 STANDING ALONE KIND OF VAPORIZED FOR SOME REASON.
07:58:27 I THINK NOT FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT ANSWERING
07:58:31 THAT.
07:58:31 YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
07:58:33 BUT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S VERY
07:58:36 REASONABLE.
07:58:39 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I ASK LEGAL, THE ISSUE THAT
07:58:42 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT,
07:58:45 MS. McLEAN, ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THIS MOTION.
07:58:49 TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY LEGAL IMPACT THIS MOTION COULD
07:58:54 HAVE IS IN THE RATE CASE.
07:58:58 MY UNDERSTANDING, TELL THEM IF I'M WRONG OR IF THERE ARE
07:59:01 OTHER IMPLICATIONS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR
07:59:04 DISCUSSION EARLIER IS THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF
07:59:08 THE RATE CASE, BUT WE CAN'T INCREASE IT.
07:59:11 IS THAT CORRECT?
07:59:13 >>JAN McLEAN: JAN McLEAN WITH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY
07:59:15 ATTORNEY.
07:59:16 WE NOTICED THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR NEXT WEEK AT 6:00 TO
07:59:21 CONSIDER AN INCREASE IN RATES.
07:59:24 AND IN THE NOTICE, THERE WAS NOT ACTUAL AMOUNT OF WHAT WE
07:59:28 WERE INCREASING.
07:59:29 SO THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT YOU INCREASE IS STILL OPEN
07:59:33 TO THE COUNCIL.
07:59:35 >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE DECIDE TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT
07:59:38 PROPOSED OR GO BACK TO OPTION B INSTEAD OF WHATEVER THE
07:59:40 OPTIONS WERE, IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR NOTICING OF THE RATE
07:59:45 CASE.
07:59:45 >>JAN McLEAN: NO.
07:59:45 >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN PROCEED.
07:59:47 I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THE PIPES PROJECT EITHER.
07:59:49 AND THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER, MORE IMPORTANT THING.
07:59:51 >>JAN McLEAN: NO, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE NOTICING OF THE
07:59:54 PUBLIC HEARING FOR NEXT WEEK.
07:59:56 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
07:59:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, CORRECT,
08:00:01 MR. CHAIRMAN?
08:00:02 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:00:02 WE HAVEN'T VOTED.
08:00:04 JUST FOR DISCUSSION.
08:00:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE A CONCERN.
08:00:06 I'M IN AGREEMENT TO HOLD THE PROJECT UP.
08:00:10 I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FIVE-YEAR.
08:00:12 THESE GENTLEMEN BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK, AND THEY SAY A
08:00:16 FIVE-YEAR STRETCH, FOR ME, I THINK THAT'S TOO LONG.
08:00:19 I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
08:00:21 NOW, IF YOU CAN AMEND YOUR MOTION TO WHERE WE'RE SAYING
08:00:24 THAT WE'RE PULLING THE $300 MILLION OFF THE TABLE FOR THE
08:00:28 TAP PROGRAM, I'M IN AGREEMENT TO THAT TO VOTE ON THAT
08:00:32 THIS EVENING.
08:00:33 BUT I DON'T LIKE TO HOLD THE PROGRESS OF WORK UP IF THEY
08:00:39 ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND COME BACK A YEAR FROM
08:00:42 NOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR WHATEVER.
08:00:44 BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN A BIND, YOU STOP ALL WORK
08:00:47 FOR FIVE YEARS.
08:00:48 >>BILL CARLSON: SO IF WE AMENDED IT TO SAY ONE YEAR, THEY
08:00:50 WOULD COME BACK TO US IN A YEAR TO --
08:00:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I COLD PROBABLY GO WITH THAT.
08:00:54 I CAN'T GO WITH FIVE YEARS.
08:00:56 >> I'LL SECOND IF YOU AMEND TO ONE YEAR INSTEAD OF FIVE
08:01:00 YEARS.
08:01:01 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK?
08:01:08 >> IT I MIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON BRINGS UP
08:01:12 A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE 350 WE TALKED ABOUT, 350 MILLION
08:01:16 VERSUS 300 MILLION.
08:01:17 I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE A VOTE IS TAKEN.
08:01:20 THE 350 MILLION WAS AN OLDER ESTIMATE FOR THE TAMPA
08:01:27 AUGMENTATION PROJECT.
08:01:28 WE HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK SINCE THEN.
08:01:30 THE ESTIMATE IS CLOSER TO 300 MILLION.
08:01:36 SO 300 MILLION IS THE NUMBER THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE 3.2
08:01:42 BILLION.
08:01:45 AND IT IS FOR ONE OF THOSE FOUR ALTERNATIVES.
08:01:47 I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT 300 IS IN THERE, NOT THE
08:01:50 350.
08:01:51 THANK YOU.
08:01:53 >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD YOU ALL BE OKAY IF I AMENDED THE
08:01:55 MOTION THIS HAS WE WOULD ASK THEM TO REMOVE IT, REMOVE
08:01:58 THE 300 MILLION FROM THE RATE CASE NEXT WEEK, AND THAT WE
08:02:01 WOULD -- AND THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US IN A YEAR WITH
08:02:04 THEIR PROPOSAL.
08:02:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.
08:02:06 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
08:02:06 WE HAVE A -- ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL?
08:02:08 WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
08:02:10 WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:02:12 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:02:13 ALL OPPOSED?
08:02:16 >> NAY.
08:02:18 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA AND VIERA
08:02:24 VOTING NO.
08:02:26 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
08:02:28 ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT ON THIS ITEM UNDER WORKSHOP?
08:02:31 MR. SHELBY.
08:02:32 THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
08:02:37 WE'LL BE BACK IN FIVE.
08:02:41 I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PATIENCE HERE TONIGHT.
08:02:43 I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY THIS.
08:02:45 [RECESS]
08:16:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
08:16:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
08:16:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
08:16:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
08:16:53 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
08:16:53 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
08:16:55 OKAY.
08:16:56 A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS.
08:16:58 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARINGS?
08:17:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
08:17:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
08:17:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEMS 3 THROUGH 7.
08:17:06 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
08:17:06 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:17:08 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
08:17:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:17:10 ANY OPPOSED?
08:17:10 OKAY.
08:17:11 NEXT, WE HAVE TO REMOVE, MR. SHELBY, WHAT NUMBER IS IT
08:17:16 WE'RE REMOVING?
08:17:16 NUMBER 4.
08:17:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 4 IS A CONTINUANCE.
08:17:20 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
08:17:21 MAY I HAVE A MOTION.
08:17:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CONTINUE.
08:17:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
08:17:24 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
08:17:26 A SECOND BY -- THANK YOU.
08:17:27 I APOLOGIZE.
08:17:28 ANYBODY HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON THE CONTINUANCE ONLY
08:17:31 FOR ITEM NUMBER 4?
08:17:32 OKAY.
08:17:33 BEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
08:17:35 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:17:37 ANY OPPOSED?
08:17:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, THE DATE AND TIME, THAT WILL
08:17:40 BE THE ONLY ANNOUNCEMENT AS TO THE CONTINUANCE, THAT WILL
08:17:43 BE THE ONLY NOTICE AS TO THE CONTINUANCE.
08:17:49 >>LUIS VIERA: IS THAT AMENABLE?
08:17:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DATE WAS SEPTEMBER 26th.
08:17:54 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
08:17:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SEE --
08:17:58 >> 26 AT 6 P.M.
08:18:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 26th AT 6 P.M.
08:18:02 THE BASIS FOR THE CONTINUANCE AGAIN?
08:18:04 I'M SORRY.
08:18:07 >>RYAN MANASSE: THE BASIS WAS THEY REVISED SITE PLAN
08:18:10 DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING PROCESS, SO IT HAD TO
08:18:13 BE CONTINUED IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO REREVIEW THE REVISED
08:18:17 DOCUMENTS.
08:18:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WILL NOT BE RENOTICED.
08:18:20 >>RYAN MANASSE: THAT'S CORRECT.
08:18:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS THE ONLY NOTICE PEOPLE WILL BE
08:18:22 RECEIVING.
08:18:23 CONTINUE SEPTEMBER TO SEPTEMBER 26, 2019 AT 6 P.M.
08:18:27 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:18:28 NEXT, I WANT TO SUGGEST SOMETHING --
08:18:30 >>THE CLERK: THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THE MOTION.
08:18:32 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CREW.
08:18:33 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:18:34 ANY OPPOSED?
08:18:35 IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
08:18:37 THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS, JIM.
08:18:39 OKAY.
08:18:40 I WANTED TO, 6 AND 7 ARE EUCLIDEAN.
08:18:45 I WANTED TO ESPECIALLY MOVE NUMBER 6 TO OUR FIRST ONE OF
08:18:50 MOHAMMED ANISI, BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE WITH A VERY YOUNG
08:18:53 MAN WHO IS A KINDERGARTNER, AND HE HAS SCHOOL TOMORROW.
08:18:56 SO I WANTED TO MOVE THAT UP.
08:18:57 ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL?
08:18:58 OKAY.
08:19:00 LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE WITH NUMBER 6.
08:19:02 ANYBODY HERE FOR NUMBER 6?
08:19:05 LET'S MOVE WITH ALL DELIBERATE SPEED.
08:19:14 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO.
08:19:16 I BELIEVE WE NEED TO BE SWORN IN.
08:19:17 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:19:18 MR. CREW, IF YOU COULD SWEAR IN.
08:19:21 IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO GIVE TESTIMONY OR SPEAK HERE
08:19:23 TONIGHT ON THESE QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS, PLEASE STAND UP
08:19:25 AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT-HAND, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SO, AND
08:19:28 BE PREPARED TO SWEAR IN
08:19:30 [OATH ADMINISTERED]
08:19:35 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:19:36 MARY SAMANIEGO, PLANNING, DESIGN, AND DEVELOPMENT
08:19:38 COORDINATION.
08:19:39 THE FIRST CASE, ITEM NUMBER 6 IS REZ 19-51.
08:19:42 IT'S A REZONING REQUEST FROM RM-16 TO RM-18.
08:19:58 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
08:20:00 MY NAME IS DANNY COLLINS.
08:20:01 I'M WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
08:20:02 I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
08:20:04 START THE EVENING IN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
08:20:06 MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE PALMA CEIA NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:20:08 THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT WITH
08:20:13 THE TRANSIT STOP ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD, MANHATTAN
08:20:16 BOULEVARD.
08:20:17 THE CLOSEST RECREATION FACILITY IS CORONA PARK, WHICH IS
08:20:20 LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 900 YARDS TO THE WEST OF THE
08:20:22 SUBJECT SITE.
08:20:23 THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN A LEVEL C EVACUATION ZONE.
08:20:26 THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND THE SURROUNDING
08:20:38 PROPERTIES.
08:20:39 THE SUBJECT SITE IS SHOWN IN PURPLE HERE ON WEST TACON
08:20:45 STREET.
08:20:45 THIS IS RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH.
08:20:48 THIS IS ROOSEVELT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
08:20:49 THIS IS THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
08:20:50 THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
08:21:01 THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN A RESIDENTIAL 20 FUTURE LAND USE
08:21:04 CATEGORY, RESIDENTIAL 20 ALLOWS FOR LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY
08:21:09 RESIDENTIAL INCLUDING SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL
08:21:12 UNITS AND TOWNHOMES.
08:21:14 YOU'LL SEE HERE THE RESIDENTIAL 20 IS SHOWN IN GREEN.
08:21:19 IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL 10, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE
08:21:22 LIGHT TAN COLOR, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THIS BLUE COLOR IS
08:21:26 PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC USES.
08:21:28 THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
08:21:33 APPLICATION AND FOUND NO ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE
08:21:36 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:21:37 THE REQUEST WOULD ALLOW FOR COMPATIBLE INFILL DEVELOPMENT
08:21:40 WITHIN AN AREA THAT IS PLANNED FOR DEVELOPMENT UP TO 20
08:21:44 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
08:21:45 THE REQUEST FURTHERS MANY OF THE POLICIES IN THE
08:21:47 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO HOUSING THE CITY'S
08:21:51 POPULATION.
08:21:51 THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT
08:21:53 AND RETENTION OF DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES TO MEET THE
08:21:56 NEEDS OF TAMPA'S PRESENT AND FUTURE POPULATIONS.
08:21:59 BASED ON THESE CONSIDERATIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
08:22:01 STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA
08:22:03 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
08:22:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
08:22:15 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO, PLANNING, DESIGN AND
08:22:16 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
08:22:17 LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY
08:22:20 LOCATED AT 3206 WEST TACON STREET TO GO FROM RM-16 TO
08:22:26 RM-18.
08:22:27 HERE IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH AS WELL AS THE ZONING MAP.
08:22:33 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IN RED.
08:22:36 HERE IS TACON STREET, IT DEAD-ENDS INTO THE SELMON
08:22:40 EXPRESSWAY.
08:22:40 HERE IS FERDINAND.
08:22:41 IN THIS AREA, THERE IS A MIX OF RM-16.
08:22:46 THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RM-16 WITH
08:22:49 INDIVIDUAL HOUSES ZONED RS-50 THROUGHOUT THIS
08:22:52 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:22:52 THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
08:22:57 IT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY A DUPLEX OR A SEMI DETACHED
08:23:03 SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING CONSTRUCTED IN 1972.
08:23:05 UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT RM 16, THIS SEMI
08:23:12 DETACHED DWELLING UNIT IS CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING
08:23:15 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE CORRECT DENSITY.
08:23:17 IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO BE APPROVED FOR REZONING TO
08:23:20 RM-18, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONFORMING DENSITY,
08:23:24 CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
08:23:25 THE WAY THE CODE READS, A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE CANNOT
08:23:31 BE ADDED TO, JUST GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.
08:23:34 SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING CAN ONLY
08:23:36 DO NORMAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR ON THIS DUPLEX.
08:23:42 THEY CAN'T EXPAND IT.
08:23:45 IN ORDER TO EXPAND IT AND DO SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS TO
08:23:48 THIS SITE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE RM-18 ZONING OR THEY
08:23:52 WOULD HAVE TO CONVERT THE PROPERTY INTO A SINGLE-FAMILY
08:23:55 HOUSE.
08:23:56 I WILL GO UP AND DOWN THE STREET TO SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT
08:24:00 PATTERN.
08:24:01 INTERESTINGLY, THERE IS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING
08:24:03 TYPES ON THIS STREET.
08:24:05 TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ARE TWO
08:24:10 DUPLEX BUILDINGS.
08:24:11 THEN ON THE OTHER SITE, NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE WEST IS A
08:24:15 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
08:24:16 ANOTHER LARGE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
08:24:20 ALL THESE PICTURES ARE TAKEN FROM THE STREET.
08:24:22 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE FURTHER TO THE WEST, GOING TOWARDS
08:24:27 FERDINAND.
08:24:27 AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.
08:24:31 TYPICALLY TWO STORIES.
08:24:34 NOW WE'RE CROSSING THE STREET GOING BACK TOWARDS THE
08:24:38 SECOND PROPERTY.
08:24:39 TWO-STORY HOUSE.
08:24:40 AN OLDER SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
08:24:44 THIS IS THREE DWELLING UNITS.
08:24:48 THIS IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
08:24:51 THIS IS ANOTHER SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM
08:24:54 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
08:24:56 SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
08:25:00 AND THEN CLOSING TO THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY, A DUPLEX AND
08:25:05 ON THE VERY CORNER, ANOTHER DUPLEX.
08:25:08 THERE'S NO SITE PLAN TO REVIEW.
08:25:10 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING JUST TO GO TO THE STRAIGHT
08:25:13 RM-18 ZONING DISTRICT.
08:25:15 ALSO, THERE ARE NO WAIVERS
08:25:16 TO BE REQUESTED.
08:25:17 IF THIS PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED FOR THE RM-18, THE
08:25:21 MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED
08:25:24 WOULD BE TWO GIVEN THE 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT SIZE OF THE LOT.
08:25:27 SAYING THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS
08:25:30 REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FOUND THIS CONSISTENT WITH
08:25:33 THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
08:25:35 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME?
08:25:37 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
08:25:38 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
08:25:41 APPLICANT, PLEASE.
08:25:48 >> GOOD EVENING.
08:25:48 I AM ANISI, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
08:25:54 I SHARE THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP WITH MY BROTHER WHO IS THE
08:25:57 APPLICANT.
08:26:02 >>LUIS VIERA: SIR, MAY WE HAVE YOUR NAME?
08:26:04 >> YES.
08:26:06 AMIR ANISI A-N-I-S-I.
08:26:12 MY BROTHER, BOTH OF US OWN THE PROPERTY.
08:26:16 WE OWN THIS PROPERTY FROM 1999, THE LAST 20 YEARS.
08:26:21 rd IF, WE ARE NOT THE DEVELOPER, AND WE ARE NOT GOING
08:26:25 THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO GAIN ANY FINANCIAL GAIN OUT OF
08:26:33 THIS PROCESS.
08:26:34 BASICALLY, THIS IS FOR PERSONAL USE.
08:26:36 CURRENTLY, MY NIECE, SHE'S RIGHT HERE WITH THE YOUNG SON.
08:26:42 LIVES AT ONE OF THE UNITS.
08:26:45 SHE HAS THREE CHILDREN AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE
08:26:50 UNIT IS 500 SQUARE FOOT.
08:26:52 SO IT'S VERY TIGHT UNIT, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENHANCE
08:26:57 THIS PROPERTY.
08:26:58 WE WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY BY ADDING SOME
08:27:01 SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
08:27:03 AS STAFF MENTIONED UNDER THE CURRENT NONCONFORMING WE ARE
08:27:10 NOT ABLE TO ADD ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE EXISTING SQUARE
08:27:13 FOOTAGE.
08:27:13 SO GIVEN THAT, AGAIN, OUR HAND IS TIED.
08:27:18 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THIS REZONING TO BE APPROVED TO
08:27:21 BE ABLE TO ADD SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, ENHANCE THE PROPERTY.
08:27:27 BASICALLY ADD SOME VALUE TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S
08:27:32 ALMOST 50 YEARS OLD, THE STRUCTURE IS OUT OF DATE.
08:27:37 IT'S OUT OF CODE.
08:27:38 IT REQUIRES SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, BRING IT UP TO DATE.
08:27:46 IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE.
08:27:49 WE DEFINITELY NEED SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ADD, BECAUSE
08:27:53 500 IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR OUR USE.
08:28:00 IT IS AN EXISTING DUPLEX.
08:28:01 AGAIN, WE MOVED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD 32 YEARS AGO.
08:28:04 WE VALUE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:28:06 WE ARE A PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:28:07 WE TRULY APPRECIATE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:28:09 AND, AGAIN, WE WANT TO ADD VALUE.
08:28:13 WE WANT TO BRING MORE VALUE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BY JUST
08:28:16 IMPROVING THIS PROPERTY.
08:28:18 WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:28:20 WE UNDERSTAND AGAIN OUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN.
08:28:24 AGAIN, THROUGHOUT 33 YEARS, AGAIN, WE TRULY ENJOY OUR
08:28:28 CHILDREN ATTENDING A SCHOOL.
08:28:32 IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH TAMPA,
08:28:34 BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD AND BRING MORE VALUE TO THIS
08:28:38 PROPERTY BY ENHANCING IT AND DEVELOPING IT AND IMPROVING
08:28:41 IT, SUCH A CONDITION AS IS, AGAIN, IS VERY DIFFICULT,
08:28:48 AGAIN, TO KEEP THE PROPERTY UP TO DATE, OBTAINING SOME
08:28:55 INSURANCE POLICY ON THE PROPERTY IS VERY DIFFICULT
08:28:58 BECAUSE IT REQUIRES, AGAIN, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT PER
08:29:02 THE BUILDING CODE, BRING IT UP TO DATE.
08:29:05 WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THIS REQUEST TO BE APPROVED TO BE
08:29:09 ABLE TO DO THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENT WE NEED.
08:29:11 AND EXPANDING SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE EXISTING
08:29:17 BUILDING.
08:29:17 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:29:18 ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
08:29:19 I HAVE A QUESTION.
08:29:21 SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING THE DUPLEX.
08:29:24 >> YES, SIR.
08:29:24 >>LUIS VIERA: IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IS
08:29:27 YOUR-ALL'S THE ONLY DUPLEX THERE?
08:29:30 >> NO, SIR.
08:29:30 TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS TWO OTHER DUPLEXES, AND TO
08:29:37 THE NORTH TOWARD THE EXPRESSWAY IS ANOTHER TWO DUPLEXES
08:29:41 IN THERE, TOO.
08:29:41 IT IS A DEAD-END STREET.
08:29:41 I WOULD SAY FOUR MORE ADDITIONAL DUPLEXES BEYOND US
08:29:51 TOWARD THE EXPRESSWAY.
08:29:52 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THOSE OTHER DUPLEXES, HOW DO THEY
08:29:56 COMPARE IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF YOUR COMPLEX?
08:29:58 >> IDENTICAL SIZE.
08:29:59 USED TO BE SAME OWNERSHIP.
08:30:01 WE PURCHASED 3206 WHICH WE OWN AND THE OTHER TWO BEING
08:30:07 SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
08:30:08 SAME SIZE AS FAR AS THE LAND COVERAGE AND SAME SIZE OF
08:30:12 THE STRUCTURE.
08:30:13 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:30:14 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
08:30:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED -- I APOLOGIZE.
08:30:19 I GOT IN A FEW MINUTES LATE AFTER YOU STARTED.
08:30:22 BUT YOU SAID THAT THE PURPOSE IS TO EXPAND THE EXISTING
08:30:27 DUPLEX OR TO REBUILD AND PUT NEW -- TWO NEW TOWNHOMES ON
08:30:32 THERE?
08:30:32 >> WELL, OUR PREFERENCE IS TO EXPAND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
08:30:36 OKAY?
08:30:36 EXISTING 500 SQUARE FOOT PER SIDE.
08:30:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M TALKING ABOUT, I THINK MY QUESTION
08:30:46 IS PRETTY CLEAR.
08:30:47 ARE YOU LEAVING THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THERE AND
08:30:50 EXPANDING THEM OR ARE YOU TEARING THEM DOWN AND BUILDING
08:30:53 TWO NEW TOWNHOMES?
08:30:55 >> WE DON'T HAVE THE CONCEPT PLAN YET.
08:30:56 WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED IT YET.
08:30:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S THE NECESSITY OF GOING RM-16 TO
08:31:01 RM-18 THEN?
08:31:06 THEY SOUND PRETTY SIMILAR IS MY POINT.
08:31:10 >> SURE.
08:31:10 WE HAVEN'T ASSESSED THE OPTION.
08:31:12 OUR PREFERENCE IS TO ADD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AT THIS
08:31:14 POINT.
08:31:15 BECAUSE FINANCIALLY, AGAIN, YOU NEED SUBSTANTIAL MONEY IF
08:31:20 YOU WANT TO TEAR IT DOWN COMPLETELY AND BUILD TWO
08:31:23 TOWNHOMES.
08:31:24 THAT REQUIRES PROBABLY THREE, FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND
08:31:28 DOLLARS.
08:31:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR A
08:31:30 PD.
08:31:31 YOU'RE GOING FOR EUCLIDEAN REZONING, RM-16 TO RM-18.
08:31:35 I'M STILL WAITING TO HEAR THE NECESSITY, IF YOU HAD A
08:31:39 SPECIFIC PLAN, THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD CREATE MORE
08:31:43 PERSUASIVE NECESSITY.
08:31:45 BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN.
08:31:47 >> YEAH, WE CONSULTED WITH THE CITY STAFF BEGINNING OF
08:31:51 THE PROCESS, WE ASKED THEM WHAT IS THE BEST ROUTE TO MOVE
08:31:54 FORWARD, AND THAT WAS THE SUGGESTION FROM THE CITY STAFF
08:31:57 TO APPLY FOR REZONING FROM R M-16 TO RM-18.
08:32:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:32:07 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
08:32:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
08:32:13 UNDER THE PLAN THAT HE HAS, YOU CAN'T REPAIR AND DO
08:32:20 ANYTHING MODERNIZING THESE BUILDINGS, AM I CORRECT?
08:32:24 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: ARE YOU ASKING ME, SIR?
08:32:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
08:32:26 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO.
08:32:28 YES, AS I STATED IN MY PRESENTATION, UNDER THE CURRENT
08:32:31 ZONING DISTRICT, THE TWO DWELLING UNITS ARE CONSIDERED
08:32:34 NONCONFORMING.
08:32:35 PER THE CODE, YOU CAN ONLY DO GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND
08:32:38 REPAIR.
08:32:38 YOU CANNOT DO ANY EXPANSION OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
08:32:41 SO THEY HAVE TO -- THE TWO 500-SQUARE-FOOT DWELLING UNITS
08:32:47 HAVE TO STAY TO 500-SQUARE-FOOT DWELLING UNITS.
08:32:50 SO IT'S EITHER EXPAND TO ADD ON TO THE EXISTING BUILDING
08:32:54 OR TO DEMOLISH IT AND BUILD TWO OTHER DWELLING UNITS IN
08:32:59 WHATEVER MANNER THAT THEY CHOOSE TO, REQUIRES A REZONING.
08:33:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
08:33:06 AS A FOLLOW-ON TO THAT, UNDER RM-16, THE EXISTING ZONING,
08:33:14 I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
08:33:16 THEY CAN'T CHANGE WHAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL
08:33:20 NONCONFORMING, RIGHT?
08:33:21 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: CORRECT.
08:33:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT IF THEY OPTED TO TEAR IT DOWN,
08:33:24 THEY COULD BUILD TWO UNITS THERE?
08:33:27 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: NO, SIR.
08:33:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT AT ALL.
08:33:29 WHY?
08:33:29 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: BECAUSE THEY DON'T MEET THE CURRENT
08:33:31 DENSITY FOR THE RM-16.
08:33:33 EACH DWELLING UNIT HAS TO BE 2,723 SQUARE FEET OF LAND,
08:33:37 WHICH COMES OUT TO 5,446 SQUARE FEET OF LAND.
08:33:41 THEY ONLY HAVE 5,000.
08:33:42 IF THEY WERE TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING DUPLEX, THEY COULD
08:33:46 ONLY BUILD ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE.
08:33:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OR THEY COULD COME IN WITH A PD AND A
08:33:50 SPECIFIC SITE PLAN FOR --
08:33:52 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: AS A REZONING.
08:33:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOR TWO UNITS.
08:33:54 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: YES, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN OPTION.
08:33:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU SHARE THAT OPTION WITH THEM AT
08:33:59 THE TIME.
08:33:59 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: OF COURSE.
08:34:01 BUT THEY'RE NOT SURE WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO.
08:34:04 IF THEY HAVE THE RM-18, THAT ALLOWS THEM TO CONSIDER
08:34:07 WHICH OPTION, IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND THE EXISTING
08:34:10 BUILDING NOW OR HOW TO DEVELOP IT AT A FUTURE DATE.
08:34:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
08:34:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
08:34:15 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ELSE?
08:34:17 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:34:17 NOW WE GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
08:34:19 IF ANYONE IS HERE ON ITEM NUMBER 6, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
08:34:24 THREE MINUTES A PERSON.
08:34:25 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
08:34:31 >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
08:34:32 I'M KIM DEGANCE, PRESIDENT OF THE PALMA CEIA NEIGHBORHOOD
08:34:35 ASSOCIATION.
08:34:36 I'M HERE TONIGHT ASKING THAT YOU DENY THE REZONING
08:34:39 REQUEST, REZ 19-51.
08:34:42 OUR STREETS ARE NARROW.
08:34:44 OUR ROADS ARE OVERCROWDED.
08:34:45 OUR SCHOOLS ARE OVERCROWDED.
08:34:46 WE DO NOT NEED TO INCREASE OUR DENSITY WITHIN OUR
08:34:49 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:34:49 IT IS DIFFICULT FOR TRASH TRUCKS TO GET DOWN OUR STREETS
08:34:53 BECAUSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS TEND TO TAKE UP MORE PARKING ON
08:34:58 THE STREET THAN IN A DRIVEWAY.
08:35:00 THE PALMA CEIA NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH
08:35:05 OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
08:35:07 OUR PRIOR BOARD MEMBERS FOUGHT HARD AND WORKED WITH THE
08:35:10 CITY OF TAMPA TO NOT ALLOW MULTIFAMILY UNITS BE BUILT
08:35:12 WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:35:13 ALL DUPLEXES THAT ARE EXISTING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE
08:35:18 LEGALLY NONCONFORMING AND HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN.
08:35:22 THEREFORE, IF ONE OF THESE DUPLEXES IS TORN DOWN, YOU ARE
08:35:25 NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD A DUPLEX.
08:35:27 YOU HAVE TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT.
08:35:30 THERE IS NOTHING TO SAY THAT TONIGHT IF YOU GRANT HIS
08:35:33 REZONING, HE WILL NOT TEAR THAT DOWN AND PUT ANOTHER
08:35:37 DUPLEX THERE.
08:35:39 THEREFORE, WE WILL HAVE MANY MORE REQUESTS COMING IN FROM
08:35:43 BUILDERS AND DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS THAT WANT TO TEAR DOWN
08:35:46 A DUPLEX AND PUT ANOTHER DUPLEX THERE.
08:35:49 I ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THE
08:35:58 STREET THAT HAVE SIGNED THIS LETTER THAT I'LL PRESENT TO
08:36:00 LEGAL COUNCIL THAT ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU DENY THIS
08:36:05 REZONING.
08:36:07 I'LL ALSO INCLUDE A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
08:36:09 ASSOCIATION ASKING YOU TO DENY THIS REZONING.
08:36:13 IN CLOSING, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS
08:36:17 REZONING BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE
08:36:20 FURNISHED AND THE FOLLOWING.
08:36:22 LAND USE POLICY 9.5.8, PROVIDE TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER
08:36:28 OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
08:36:31 LAND USE POLICY 9.5.4, PROVIDES TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT
08:36:36 DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF EXISTING FAMILY AREAS.
08:36:56 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT PLEASE.
08:36:58 MA'AM, WERE YOU GIVING THAT TO US TO SEE?
08:37:06 >> TO PUT IT IN EVIDENCE, I GUESS.
08:37:08 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. SHELBY, THE NICE LADY THERE JUST GAVE A
08:37:13 DOCUMENT I GUESS FOR US TO SEE IF WE COULD SEE IT FOR OUR
08:37:16 REVIEW.
08:37:17 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
08:37:20 GO AHEAD, SIR.
08:37:31 >> GOOD EVENING, I'M ROBERT FOSS.
08:37:33 3117 GRANADA STREET.
08:37:35 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
08:37:37 MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, MY WIFE KIM AND I ARE REQUESTING
08:37:40 THAT YOU DENY THE PETITION REZ 19-51 REZONING FOR THE
08:37:45 PROPERTY AT 3206 WEST TACON STREET.
08:37:49 THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY RM-16, TOGETHER WITH RS-50
08:37:53 ZONING, SHOWN ON THE ATTACHED ZONING MAP, IT IS A VERY
08:37:58 CONSISTENT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
08:37:59 THERE ARE DUPLEXES IN PLACE.
08:38:02 NONCONFORMING, THEY ARE SMALL.
08:38:06 KIM AND I ARE AMONG THOSE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS SINCE 1985
08:38:10 THAT REMEMBER THE UPHEAVAL THAT WAS GOING ON BACK THEN.
08:38:13 THAT WAS MAYBE THREE BOOMS AGO.
08:38:18 MANY OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WERE BEING TORN DOWN TO
08:38:20 MAKE WAY FOR NEW TOWN HOUSES, DUPLEXES.
08:38:23 SURPRISE, HERE WE ARE AGAIN IN ANOTHER BOOM PERIOD, AND
08:38:26 WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP A HOLD ON EVER-INCREASING TRAFFIC,
08:38:31 PARKING ISSUES, FLOODING, TREE REMOVAL, AND LOSS OF THE
08:38:35 CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:38:36 THE SUBJECT LOT IS 50 BY 100, 5,000 SQUARE FEET, SAME AS
08:38:41 MOST OF THE LOTS IN THIS AREA.
08:38:43 THE PROPERTY WAS GRANDFATHERED IN DURING THAT
08:38:48 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISION, WHEN MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS
08:38:54 VOTED TO DOWNZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO RS-50 AND RM-16.
08:38:58 THE INTENT AT THE TIME WAS TO RESPECT AND GRANDFATHER IN
08:39:02 THE RIGHTS OF THOSE DUPLEX OWNERS, THE APARTMENT OWNERS,
08:39:05 THAT DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
08:39:08 BUT NOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT LATER.
08:39:13 AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT, GRANDFATHERING ALLOWED THOSE OWNERS
08:39:18 TO KEEP -- THE RIGHT TO KEEP WHAT THEY HAD.
08:39:22 IN THIS CASE, A SMALL DUPLEX.
08:39:23 YOU CAN MAKE COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPE
08:39:25 IMPROVEMENTS, INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE EXISTING
08:39:28 SQUARE FOOTAGE.
08:39:29 YOU CAN'T EXPAND IT.
08:39:30 HOWEVER, THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
08:39:34 ALSO PROTECTED THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:39:37 OWNERS WHO COULD NOT CREATE FURTHER INJURY OR PLAN
08:39:41 VARIANCES IF AND WHEN THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THESE
08:39:43 NONCONFORMING BUILDINGS BY ENLARGING OR TEARING DOWN OR
08:39:47 REBUILDING.
08:39:47 AS CURRENTLY ZONED, THE 50 BY 100 LOT WILL ONLY ALLOW A
08:39:52 NEW SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING STRUCTURE.
08:39:55 R M-16 INTENTIONALLY DOES NOT ALLOW TWO DWELLING UNITS ON
08:40:00 THE EXISTING 5,000 SQUARE FOOT.
08:40:02 RM-18 WOULD ALLOW THOSE TWO UNITS ON A NONCONFORMING LOT.
08:40:09 SURELY, YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS REZONING, THERE'S NO OTHER
08:40:12 RM-18, WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO A TERRIBLE DOMINO EFFECT TO
08:40:17 ANY OTHER DEVELOPER WANTING TO DO THIS AND YOU'VE GOT A
08:40:20 PRECEDENT NOW, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT PRECEDENT.
08:40:24 WE ARE ASKING THAT THERE'S NO HARDSHIP HERE.
08:40:27 THERE'S NO -- THIS IS KIND OF JUST BECAUSE.
08:40:31 WE ASK YOU TO DENY THIS REZONING.
08:40:33 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
08:40:34 APPRECIATE IT.
08:40:35 >> CAN I TURN IN MY LETTER --
08:40:37 >>LUIS VIERA: OF COURSE.
08:40:38 >> THANK YOU.
08:40:39 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT, PLEASE.
08:40:54 >> HI.
08:40:55 MY NAME IS SHERRY PARSONS.
08:40:57 I ACTUALLY OWN A DUPLEX NEXT TO HIS AT 3204 TACON.
08:41:01 I'VE OWNED IT SINCE 2001.
08:41:04 THIS STREET IS VERY NARROW.
08:41:06 THE TRAFFIC IS INCREDIBLE DOWN THERE.
08:41:09 THERE'S NO PARKING.
08:41:10 I HAVE A TENANTS IN MY DUPLEX, AND THERE IS A LADIES ON
08:41:14 THE END DOWN ON THE RIGHT, OR ON THE LEFT, AND SHE HAS A
08:41:19 MAID SERVICE OUT OF THERE.
08:41:20 EVERY DAY, ALL OF HER MAIDS SHOW UP AND THEY PARK ALONG
08:41:24 THE WHOLE STREET.
08:41:25 YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT.
08:41:26 MY LAWN GUY WILL CALL ME AND SAY I CAN'T MOW THE LAWN
08:41:29 TODAY BECAUSE I CAN'T GET MY TRAILER DOWN THERE BECAUSE
08:41:32 HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND.
08:41:34 THE UNIT, THE TENANTS HAVE A HARD TIME EVEN PUTTING THEIR
08:41:38 TRASH CANS OUT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THE TRASH CANS
08:41:41 AND PARKING ON THE STREET.
08:41:42 LITERALLY, WE HAVE THREE SPOTS ON THE DUPLEX AND ONE SPOT
08:41:47 IN THE STREET, WHICH THEY FIGHT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
08:41:51 I HAVE A FIVE-MINUTE PARKING SIGN, BUT NOW THOSE AREN'T
08:41:55 VALID ANYMORE.
08:41:55 SO IF YOU ARE TO CHANGE THE ZONING, YOU ARE GOING TO
08:41:58 INCREASE THE TRAFFIC DOWN THERE TREMENDOUSLY.
08:42:01 IT'S A DEAD END.
08:42:02 THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO BUT TO TURN AROUND AND YOU HAVE TO
08:42:06 TURNAROUND IN EACH OTHER'S DRIVEWAY.
08:42:09 IT'S A NIGHTMARE.
08:42:09 I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO DENY THIS REZONING.
08:42:14 I HAVE THE BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
08:42:16 MINE WAS REVAMPED BACK IN 2001 WHEN I BOUGHT IT.
08:42:21 HE COULD DO THE SAME THING.
08:42:23 HE COULD MAKE THE OUTSIDE LOOK A LITTLE NICER.
08:42:26 RIGHT NOW HE HAS ONE TENANT PARKING THEIR CAR IN THE BACK
08:42:29 OF THE DUPLEX, AND ONE IN THE FRONT.
08:42:31 YOU CAN ALREADY SEE PARKING IS A PROBLEM.
08:42:37 YOU WANT TO ADD TWO MORE STRUCTURES TO IT, YOU'LL ADD
08:42:39 FOUR MORE CARS OR WHATEVER HE'S PLANNING TO DO.
08:42:43 I KNOW HE'S PLANNING ON TEARING IT DOWN BECAUSE HE
08:42:45 APPROACHED ME YEARS AGO TO GO IN WITH HIM AND TEAR MINE
08:42:49 DOWN AND BUILD SOME TOWNHOMES.
08:42:51 I TOLD HIM I WASN'T INTERESTED IN DOING IT.
08:42:53 I'VE OWNED THE PLACE SINCE 2001, IT CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE
08:43:04 TRAFFIC DOWN THAT STREET.
08:43:05 IT IS SO NARROW.
08:43:06 AND YOUR LADY WAS THERE TODAY TAKING PHOTOS WHEN I WAS
08:43:09 THERE TAKING MY OWN PHOTOS, BUT I WAS TOLD I COULDN'T
08:43:13 BRING THEM IN BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PRINT
08:43:16 THEM.
08:43:16 SO I LEFT MY iPAD IN THE CAR.
08:43:18 ANY QUESTIONS?
08:43:28 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED BUT YOU
08:43:30 MENTIONED THE MAID SERVICE OPERATING DOWN THE STREET.
08:43:32 DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY?
08:43:34 IF NOT --
08:43:34 >> NO, IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL.
08:43:38 >>BILL CARLSON: HAVE YOU TURNED IT OVER TO CODE
08:43:40 ENFORCEMENT?
08:43:41 >> I HAVE.
08:43:41 AND HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING.
08:43:42 >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD.
08:43:46 PLEASE CALL MY OFFICE.
08:43:47 >> THEY ARE A HUGE PROBLEM.
08:43:48 THEY PARK BEHIND MY TENANTS' CARS ON THE STREET, AND THEY
08:43:51 CAN'T MOVE THEIR CAR.
08:44:03 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM?
08:44:05 >> NO, I JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST
08:44:09 DUE TO THE TRAFFIC, PARKING, AND THE DENSITY OF THERE'S
08:44:16 NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO BE ABLE TO CREATE MORE TOWNHOMES, MORE
08:44:21 CARS GOING DOWN THERE.
08:44:22 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:44:23 NEXT, PLEASE.
08:44:49 >> I HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.
08:45:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. RODRIGUEZ HAS FIVE NAMES.
08:45:03 PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE.
08:45:05 ROBERT ADKINS.
08:45:06 THANK YOU, SIR.
08:45:07 KATHY LONG.
08:45:08 THANK YOU.
08:45:09 RITA SERAYA.
08:45:14 NOT HERE.
08:45:15 SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
08:45:16 CAROL ANN BENNETT, PLEASE.
08:45:18 THANK YOU.
08:45:18 MICHAEL FANNING.
08:45:22 THANK YOU.
08:45:22 THAT'S FOUR ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN.
08:45:28 >> MY NAME IS JACK RODRIGUEZ.
08:45:30 3218 WEST SAN JUAN STREET, A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OVER FROM
08:45:34 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
08:45:35 WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE AND TALKED ABOUT THE
08:45:40 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOTS AND THE LEGAL NONCONFORMING
08:45:45 DUPLEXES, APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:45:47 THERE'S PLENTY OF RM-16 AND RS-50, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE
08:45:53 MAP, THERE'S NO RM-18 ON THAT MAP.
08:45:56 THE NEW ZONING MADE ALL THE APARTMENTS, DUPLEXES, TOWN
08:46:02 HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
08:46:04 THE SUBJECT DUPLEX WAS BUILT PRIOR TO CHAPTER 27 AND IS
08:46:10 LEGAL NONCONFORMING.
08:46:12 BASED ON CURRENT ZONING, THE DUPLEX CANNOT BE ENLARGED.
08:46:15 IT CAN, HOWEVER, BE TORN DOWN AND REPLACED WITH A
08:46:18 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSE.
08:46:21 THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IN THE TIMES I'VE BEEN DOWN
08:46:26 HERE, THEY ARE WORKING WITH SORT OF AN OLD PLAN.
08:46:33 IT HASN'T REALLY BECOME, AT LEAST THIS NEIGHBORHOOD,
08:46:35 WHERE WE ALL LIVE, HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED.
08:46:40 I TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT IT ONCE BEFORE.
08:46:43 THERE'S ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN THERE IS ALL NEW,
08:46:47 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING.
08:46:55 THERE HASN'T BEEN A DUPLEX BUILT THERE IN OVER 30 YEARS
08:46:58 AND HASN'T BEEN A REZONING FOR ANYTHING IN OVER 20 YEARS.
08:47:02 THE REQUEST IS SPOT ZONING, WHICH IS, AND YOU CAN SEE IT
08:47:06 HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
08:47:09 THE PROCESS OF SINGLING OUT A SMALL PARCEL OF LAND FOR
08:47:15 USE -- FOR A USE CLASSIFICATION, TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM
08:47:18 THAT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE OWNER
08:47:22 OF SUCH PROPERTY AND TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE OTHER
08:47:26 OWNERS.
08:47:26 THAT'S A DEFINITION THAT'S PROVIDED IN ANDERSON AMERICAN
08:47:30 LAW OF ZONING.
08:47:31 IN THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S BEEN OVER
08:47:39 A HUNDRED NEW HOUSES BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND
08:47:43 THERE ARE STILL ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
08:47:46 ALL SINGLE-FAMILY, ALL THE PICTURES THAT MARY SHOWED YOU
08:47:51 OF THOSE HOMES, THEY ARE ALL THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:47:53 I'VE PRACTICED REAL ESTATE FOR TOO MANY YEARS.
08:48:01 47.
08:48:01 THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS FOR
08:48:06 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING.
08:48:09 JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE HUNDRED.
08:48:12 I SEE NO ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FOR THE PETITIONER TO REQUEST
08:48:16 THIS HIGHER DENSITY.
08:48:18 THE IMPOSITION OF A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE PROPERTY OR
08:48:23 ITS OWNER IN THIS INSTANCE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO APPROVE
08:48:27 BASED ON ECONOMIC HARDSHIP.
08:48:29 NOW, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
08:48:37 YOU DENIED A REZONING AT 3301 SAN JUAN BACK IN 2016.
08:48:43 WE WERE HERE BASED ON CITY CODE ORDINANCE SECTION
08:48:47 27-156A, COUNCIL DENIES SAID PETITION BASED ON THE RULE
08:48:53 THAT IF SOMETHING IS GRANDFATHERED IN, AND YOU HAD A
08:48:56 STRUCTURE THERE ON 5,000 SQUARE FEET, IT CAN REMAIN THERE
08:49:00 AS LONG AS NOTHING HAPPENS TO IT, BUT ONCE SOMETHING
08:49:03 HAPPENS TO IT, OR YOU WANT TO REDO IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE
08:49:08 5500 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT
08:49:12 OF THE PETITION.
08:49:13 LATER, EARLIER THIS YEAR, REZONING 3301 WEST SAN JUAN,
08:49:21 THE COUNCIL DENIES SAID PETITION BASED ON ITS
08:49:25 INCONSISTENCY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE
08:49:27 NEIGHBORHOOD AND CLEAR INTENT OF THE COUNCIL WHEN IT
08:49:32 REZONED THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 1989 TO BASICALLY RESTRICT IT
08:49:35 TO SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
08:49:37 FURTHER, UNDER LAND USE POLICY, 2.1.2, THE LIMITED LAND
08:49:43 RESOURCES BE USED MORE EFFICIENTLY AND PURSUE A
08:49:47 DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS MORE ECONOMICALLY SOUND.
08:49:50 FURTHER, THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IS NOT MORE
08:49:54 ECONOMICALLY SOUND TO ENCOURAGE THE TYPE OF INFILL
08:49:58 DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN
08:50:01 THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:50:02 FURTHER, UNDER THE USE, A LAND USE OBJECTIVE 9.3, THE
08:50:10 COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT SUSTAINS STABLE
08:50:13 NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENSURE THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC HEALTH
08:50:16 OF THE CITY.
08:50:17 AND THIS LAND USE DESIGNATION DOES NOT MEET THAT
08:50:20 STANDARD.
08:50:21 TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS HERE ON THAT SAME PROPERTY.
08:50:25 YOU ALL REZONED THAT PROPERTY RS-50.
08:50:28 RECOGNIZED -- THE DEVELOPER RECOGNIZED HE COULDN'T BUILD
08:50:30 THE DUPLEXES, SO HE CAME AND ASKED FOR AN RS-50 AND YOU
08:50:36 ALL GRANTED IT.
08:50:36 THAT WAS A GOOD ZONING.
08:50:37 THEN FINALLY, RE 124, COUNCIL DENIED SAID PETITION BASED
08:50:47 ON LAND USE POLICY 9.3.8 THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE CITY
08:50:53 THAT NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS SHALL MINIMALLY
08:50:58 DISRUPTIVE TO ADJACENT AREAS.
08:51:00 FURTHER, YOU DID LAND USE POLICY 9.3.5, THE LOCATION OF
08:51:06 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE
08:51:12 PERIPHERY OF THE ESTABLISHED SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
08:51:15 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:51:15 THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ON THE
08:51:19 PERIPHERY.
08:51:19 THE REZONING HEARING IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND
08:51:26 APPROVE THE PETITION, YOU MUST FIND COMPETENT AND
08:51:29 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
08:51:30 I SUBMIT TO YOU THE CURRENT PETITION SHOULD BE DENIED
08:51:35 BASED ON ALL OF THE ABOVE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
08:51:39 EVIDENCE PROVIDED HEREIN.
08:51:41 YOU ALL HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST, AND IT'S YOUR JOB TO
08:51:51 FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY AND THIS
08:51:59 NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:52:01 >>BILL CARLSON: QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
08:52:02 HE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF GRANDFATHERING.
08:52:04 AND THAT IF SOMETHING IS GRANDFATHERED, THAT IT CAN'T BE
08:52:09 CHANGED AFTER THAT.
08:52:12 SORRY.
08:52:13 A NEWBIE QUESTION.
08:52:14 IS THERE SOME LEGAL -- IS THAT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
08:52:17 INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE, AND IS THERE ANY LEGAL OPINION
08:52:21 REGARDING THAT?
08:52:27 >>KRISTIN MORA: GRANDFATHERING IS A TERM THAT WE STRUGGLE
08:52:29 WITH AS LAND USE LAWYERS BECAUSE IT'S OFTEN THROWN
08:52:32 AROUND.
08:52:32 IT'S NOT THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY FOR THIS PARTICULAR
08:52:35 INSTANCE.
08:52:35 THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HEARD EARLIER FROM MS. SAMANIEGO
08:52:39 REGARDING THE NONCONFORMITY STATUS, THAT IS HOW WE HANDLE
08:52:43 WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED GRANDFATHERING UNDER OUR ZONING
08:52:47 CODE.
08:52:47 SO ZONING CODE PROVIDES THAT IF SOMETHING EXISTED BEFORE
08:52:51 THE RULES WENT INTO PLACE, THEN WE DON'T ENFORCE THOSE
08:52:54 NEW RULES AGAINST THEM UNLESS AND UNTIL THEY MAKE MAJOR
08:52:58 RENOVATIONS, MAKE SOME SORT OF MAJOR CHANGE TO WHAT
08:53:01 THEY'RE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY OR THEY CEASE THAT
08:53:03 NONCONFORMITY AND THEN THEY CAN'T GET IT BACK.
08:53:06 SO THE NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE IN OUR CODE IS HOW WE
08:53:11 HANDLE THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS.
08:53:12 SO I WOULD SAY FOR YOUR PURPOSES, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION
08:53:18 TONIGHT, IT IS COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE HOW THE
08:53:21 EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE INTERACTS WITH OUR CODE AND
08:53:27 THE INTENT IN OUR CODE TO EVENTUALLY HAVE NONCONFORMING
08:53:30 USES GO AWAY.
08:53:31 SO THAT'S ALL RELEVANT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
08:53:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER.
08:53:41 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT,
08:53:44 WHENEVER HE DOES HIS --
08:53:48 >> I THINK I'M THE LAST ONE.
08:53:49 MY NAME IS ALAN DOBBS.
08:53:51 5502 NORTH CHEROKEE AVENUE.
08:53:56 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
08:53:57 I LISTENED TO THE FAMILY WHEN THEY CAME UP AND EXPLAINED
08:54:00 THE REASON FOR WANTING THIS REZONING.
08:54:03 I FEEL VERY SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THEM AND THEIR NEEDS.
08:54:06 I ALSO UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY THAT HAS SPOKE AGAINST THIS,
08:54:11 THE MORE INTENSE ZONING IS NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE
08:54:14 FOR THIS.
08:54:14 I WANTED TO GET UP AND SPEAK NOT NECESSARILY FOR OR
08:54:17 AGAINST IT, BUT TO MAYBE PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THIS
08:54:22 FAMILY.
08:54:22 IF THEIR NEED IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT FOR
08:54:26 A FAMILY MEMBER, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR AN EXTENDED
08:54:30 FAMILY RESIDENCE, I THINK WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE, AT
08:54:34 LEAST AN RS-50 ZONING DISTRICT.
08:54:36 I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S ALLOWED IN RM-16.
08:54:41 I UNDERSTAND IT HAS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED PROPERTY.
08:54:43 IT HAS TO BE A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY.
08:54:45 I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS HOMESTEAD PROPERTY AND IT'S OWNED
08:54:48 BY ONE OF THE BROTHERS AND THEY OCCUPY IT, BUT IT'S
08:54:52 DEFINITELY AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THEM.
08:54:53 SO I JUST WANTED TO GET UP HERE AND RECOMMEND THAT.
08:54:57 A PD IS OBVIOUSLY AN ALTERNATIVE AS WELL, BUT THAT'S VERY
08:55:02 EXPENSIVE AND INVOLVED AND TAKES A LOT OF TIME.
08:55:04 I KNOW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT OFFICE SPENDS A LOT OF TIME
08:55:07 AND RESOURCES ON THOSE.
08:55:09 THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE, HE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE
08:55:14 CITY, BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT'S RIGHT
08:55:17 FOR THE FAMILY.
08:55:18 I THINK IF THIS IS A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE, EXTENDED
08:55:20 FAMILY RESIDENCE, THAT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY
08:55:23 COULD DO, I ASSUME, WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, ASSUMING
08:55:26 IT'S HOMESTEADED PROPERTY.
08:55:27 THANK YOU.
08:55:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:55:30 DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER?
08:55:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
08:55:33 I WANT TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING
08:55:44 TO DO.
08:55:45 I NEVER GOT THE GIST OF WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO.
08:55:49 >> WE WANT TO ADD SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THE EXISTING
08:55:51 STRUCTURE.
08:55:52 AS THE STAFF EXPLAINED, THE MINUTE WE TOUCH THIS, WE
08:55:56 DON'T HAVE UNDER RM-16 THE SUFFICIENT SQUARE FOOTAGE TO
08:56:01 PUT THE DUPLEX BACK IN PLACE.
08:56:03 THE MINUTE WE TOUCH IT, WE ARE ALLOWED TO TEAR IT DOWN
08:56:09 AND REPLACE IT WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
08:56:12 WE'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES THE PAST 20 YEARS, BASED ON THE
08:56:16 DUPLEX, BASED ON THE MULTIUNIT.
08:56:19 THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND TAX COLLECTOR ASSESS THE
08:56:22 PROPERTY BASED ON TWO UNITS.
08:56:24 NOW WE'VE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN BECAUSE THE ZONING HAS
08:56:28 CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
08:56:31 BASICALLY, THEY ARE ASKING US TO GIVE US WHAT WE HAVE AND
08:56:34 REDUCE IT DOWN TO LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
08:56:39 YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS ARE ASKING US TO TEAR IT DOWN AND
08:56:43 BUILD LIKE ONE SINGLE DWELLING UNIT FOR PAST 50 YEARS.
08:56:49 THIS HAS BEEN A DUPLEX SINCE 1971, THEY BUILT IT.
08:56:53 HAS BEEN CONFORMING BUT THE CODE HAS CHANGED.
08:56:55 THE ZONING HAS CHANGED.
08:56:56 THE CITY CHANGED IT.
08:56:57 MID '80s, EARLY '80s.
08:57:01 AGAIN, STILL RM-16.
08:57:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M ASKING YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PUT
08:57:06 THERE?
08:57:08 >> WE WANT TO KEEP A DUPLEX.
08:57:09 WE WANT TO ADD THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE THE EXISTING
08:57:11 SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR FIVE PEOPLE TO LIVE
08:57:14 IN 500 SQUARE FEET.
08:57:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
08:57:18 THANK YOU, SIR.
08:57:19 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
08:57:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:57:22 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
08:57:26 IS THERE A -- STOP ME -- IS THERE A THIRD ALTERNATIVE
08:57:32 HERE?
08:57:32 I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY IS
08:57:34 THAT THIS WOULD BE CONVERTED INTO A NEW DUPLEX AND THAT
08:57:41 THE DUPLEX RIGHTS WOULD SOMEHOW BREAK SOMEHOW IF THIS
08:57:46 WENT THROUGH.
08:57:47 IS THERE SOME OTHER WAY TO RESOLVE THE NEIGHBORS'
08:57:50 CONCERNS?
08:57:52 >>KRISTIN MORA: NOT THROUGH THIS REZONING.
08:57:53 WE CAN'T PLACE CONDITIONS ON EUCLIDEAN REZONING.
08:57:58 THE ROUTE THAT THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO DO A EUCLIDEAN
08:58:02 REZONING WOULD NOT BE AN AVENUE TO PLACE THOSE
08:58:05 LIMITATIONS UPON IT.
08:58:06 AND JUST AS A QUICK REMINDER, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT
08:58:09 OF DEBATE ABOUT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE STANDARDS ARE FOR
08:58:11 YOU.
08:58:11 I KNOW YOU HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM EVERYONE
08:58:15 TONIGHT.
08:58:16 THE STANDARD FOR REZONINGS IS THE APPLICANT BEARS THE
08:58:20 BURDEN OF PROOF TO SHOW THAT WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS
08:58:23 CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
08:58:24 IF THEY MEET THAT BURDEN, THEN THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THE
08:58:27 REZONING, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER COMPETENT AND
08:58:30 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE
08:58:32 NOT CONSISTENT.
08:58:34 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
08:58:35 COUNCILMAN CITRO AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
08:58:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. MORA JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
08:58:40 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
08:58:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
08:58:42 TWO THINGS.
08:58:45 ONE, I WANT TO POINT EVERYBODY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION
08:58:48 REPORT ON PAGE 3.
08:58:52 THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS GREEN ON IT.
08:58:56 VERY PRETTY.
08:58:56 HALFWAY THROUGH, IT SAYS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING YA-DA
08:59:03 YA-DA YA-DA RM-18 TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TWO
08:59:07 TOWNHOMES.
08:59:09 IT GOES ON TO SPEAK TO TWO TOWNHOMES ELSEWHERE IN THAT
08:59:12 PARAGRAPH.
08:59:12 AND THEN THE APPLICANT SAYS, NO, I JUST WANT TO EXPAND
08:59:16 THE EXISTING DUPLEX.
08:59:18 SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICT THERE.
08:59:20 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
08:59:21 BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- HE'S NOT DOING A PD.
08:59:26 HE'S ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE EUCLIDEAN ZONING FROM
08:59:30 RM-16 TO RM-18.
08:59:32 IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS EVALUATE SORT
08:59:36 OF THE MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL THAT HE COULD DO,
08:59:42 REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO HERE TODAY,
08:59:44 REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAYS HE'S
08:59:46 GOING TO DO, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
08:59:48 TESTIFIED SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO, IT DOESN'T MATTER
08:59:51 BECAUSE ONCE THE EUCLIDEAN IS GRANTED, HE CAN MAX OUT AND
08:59:54 DO WHATEVER THAT RM-18 ALLOWS.
08:59:59 SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TO THAT.
09:00:01 AND THEN WE'LL HEAR THE REST OF THIS AND GET MOVING ON
09:00:05 IT.
09:00:06 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:00:07 ANYONE ELSE?
09:00:07 DID THE PETITIONER DO REBUTTAL?
09:00:10 OKAY.
09:00:11 REBUTTAL, PETITIONER.
09:00:19 >> AS I SAID, THIS IS A HARDSHIP REQUEST BASED ON THE
09:00:22 FAMILY ISSUE WE HAVE.
09:00:22 >>LUIS VIERA: STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE.
09:00:26 >> AMIR ANISI.
09:00:28 FIRST NAME A-M-I-R.
09:00:30 LAST NAME A-N-I-S-I.
09:00:33 AS I STATED EARLIER, THIS IS A HARDSHIP REQUEST.
09:00:36 CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A DUPLEX AND WE OWNED THIS PROPERTY
09:00:38 THE LAST 20 YEARS.
09:00:39 WE'VE BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE LAST 32 YEARS.
09:00:42 WE VALUE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:00:43 WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO MOVE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANY
09:00:46 TIME SOON.
09:00:47 AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENHANCE -- WE WOULD LIKE TO
09:00:50 IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY AGAIN TO MAKE THE BEST USE OUT OF
09:00:54 IT UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITION, WE HAVE A LIMITED USE AS
09:00:59 FAR AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
09:01:01 AS I SAID, THE BUILDING IS NOT UP TO DATE.
09:01:03 IT DOESN'T MEET THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE STANDARD, AND
09:01:07 IT'S HARD TO OBTAIN POLICY ON THE BUILDING.
09:01:10 IT NEEDS SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT.
09:01:12 AND, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE REQUEST FOR THE PERSONAL
09:01:18 USE.
09:01:19 AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO GET ANY FINANCIAL GAIN OUT OF
09:01:22 THIS.
09:01:22 WE DON'T WANT TO DEVELOP TWO TOWNHOMES.
09:01:24 WE TALKED TO THE STAFF, AND THIS IS THE STAFF
09:01:28 RECOMMENDATION TO GO THIS ROUTE.
09:01:30 AND AGAIN, FOR CONFIDENCE OF THE COUNCIL, IF YOU WANT US
09:01:35 TO GO THROUGH THE PD ROUTE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY AGAIN TO
09:01:38 CHANGE THE APPLICATION AND COME BACK IN HERE.
09:01:41 WE CONSULTED WITH THE STAFF, THEY SAID CHANGE IT FROM
09:01:43 RM-16 TO RM-18 ZONING, THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BASICALLY
09:01:48 KEEP YOUR CURRENT STATUS, NOT GO LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
09:01:54 AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN PAYING PROPERTY TAX FOR THE LAST 20
09:02:00 YEARS ON THIS PROPERTY BASED ON THE DUPLEX, BASED ON THE
09:02:03 MULTI-UNITS.
09:02:04 AND NEIGHBORS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
09:02:09 YOU HAVE FOUR OR FIVE MORE OTHER DUPLEXES IN THE STREET.
09:02:12 AND IF SOMEBODY IS RUNNING A BUSINESS OFF OF RESIDENTIAL
09:02:15 PROPERTY, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
09:02:20 THAT.
09:02:21 THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE IS A CITY ISSUE THAT HAVE TO
09:02:25 DEAL WITH RUNNING BUSINESSES OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
09:02:28 AGAIN, CURRENTLY IT IS A TWO UNIT.
09:02:32 YOU MAY HAVE TWO CARS PER UNIT.
09:02:34 SO WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MORE THAN -- MORE DENSE THAN
09:02:41 WHAT IT IS.
09:02:45 REGARDLESS.
09:02:45 IF THIS IS NOT GRANTED TONIGHT, YOU'LL HAVE A DUPLEX IN
09:02:48 THERE.
09:02:48 YOU'LL HAVE THE AMOUNT OF CAR OR THE NUMBER OF CARS
09:02:51 YOU'LL HAVE IN THERE.
09:02:52 WE'RE NOT ASKING AGAIN FOR HIGHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
09:02:55 WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE RESIDENTS.
09:02:58 WE ARE ASKING FOR MODIFICATION.
09:02:59 WE ARE ASKING FOR UPGRADING WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE UNDER
09:03:03 THE CURRENT NONCONFORMING, WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS
09:03:09 PROPERTY.
09:03:10 AS THE OWNER, WE HAVE, I THINK, OWNERSHIP SOME RIGHTS.
09:03:14 THIS IS RESPECTFULLY A REQUEST ON THE HARDSHIP BASIS.
09:03:19 THANK YOU.
09:03:20 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
09:03:23 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK LEGAL A QUESTION TO CLARIFY
09:03:25 SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID.
09:03:26 IF I HEARD HIM RIGHT, HE SAID THAT IF HE CAME BACK AS A
09:03:30 PD HE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR.
09:03:33 IS THAT TRUE?
09:03:34 IS IT A TRUE, IF IT FAILS TONIGHT, AND IS IT TRUE IF HE
09:03:38 WITHDRAWS HIS REQUEST TONIGHT?
09:03:40 >>KRISTIN MORA: SO THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
09:03:43 HE COULD MODIFY HIS REQUEST IN WHICH CASE HE WOULD HAVE
09:03:46 TO GO BACK, RENOTICE AND CHANGE THAT REQUEST, GO THROUGH
09:03:48 DRC, DO ALL THE THINGS THAT HE WOULD NEED TO DO.
09:03:52 THAT'S AN OPTION.
09:03:53 AND THAT WOULD GET HIM BACK IN THREE MONTHS PROBABLY,
09:03:56 SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
09:03:57 IF HE'S DENIED TONIGHT, THEN THERE'S NO -- HE WOULD JUST
09:04:04 NEED TO RESTART A NEW PD APPLICATION.
09:04:07 AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF A
09:04:10 FEW MONTHS, BUT, NO, IT WOULDN'T BE A YEAR.
09:04:14 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
09:04:15 OKAY.
09:04:17 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
09:04:21 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:04:23 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:04:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:04:25 ANY OPPOSED?
09:04:27 WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:04:28 YES, SIR.
09:04:30 >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL START A MOTION AND IF YOU ALL AGREE,
09:04:34 YOU CAN ADD TO IT.
09:04:35 I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DENY REZ 19-51 DUE TO THE FAILURE OF
09:04:43 THE PETITIONER TO MEET ITS BURDEN OF PROOF TO PROVIDE
09:04:46 COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT THE
09:04:48 REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND
09:04:50 THE CITY CODE AND SPECIFICALLY THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT
09:04:54 WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME OF THE OTHER
09:04:58 EVIDENCE WE WERE PRESENTED THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER RIGHT
09:05:00 THIS MINUTE.
09:05:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER FINDINGS OF FACT
09:05:04 THAT COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE CASE, I
09:05:08 ASK THAT YOU PUT IT INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
09:05:09 >>LUIS VIERA: I FEEL A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT COMING ON BY
09:05:12 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:05:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION BASED ON THE
09:05:15 COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT I HEARD AS RELATED TO
09:05:19 SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND REGULAR TRAFFIC AND PARKING ISSUES ON
09:05:24 THE VERY NARROW STREET, AND THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVED THERE
09:05:28 MANY YEARS, AND THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY HAVE ALL TESTIFIED
09:05:32 TO THOSE PROBLEMS ALREADY WITHOUT INCREASING THE DENSITY.
09:05:40 IN ADDITION, I WILL NOTE IN REGARD TO PRECEDENT, 2006,
09:05:47 WHEN I WAS HERE, THE LAST TIME THIS WAS A BIG PROBLEM
09:05:52 THROUGHOUT THAT PART OF PALMA CEIA AND THEN ACROSS THE
09:05:56 OTHER SIDE OF BAY TO BAY.
09:05:57 AND THAT'S WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHOSE TO DO AN AREA-WIDE
09:06:02 REZONING AS JACK POINTED OUT, AND SPECIFICALLY TO PRESENT
09:06:10 -- TO PREVENT MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOMES, QUADS, TRIPLEXES,
09:06:19 QUADS, BIG ONES BEING BUILT UP AND DOWN THESE VERY, VERY
09:06:24 NARROW, SMALL STREETS.
09:06:25 THAT'S NOT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:06:29 I'LL MAKE REFERENCE TO INCONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 27-156A
09:06:33 AS WELL AS LAND USE POLICIES 2.1.2, AND 9.5.8 AND 9.5.4.
09:06:40 THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
09:06:42 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:06:42 ARE YOU SECONDING THAT, SIR?
09:06:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE SECONDED IT.
09:06:47 I'LL BE GLAD TO SECOND IT WITH THOSE COMMENTS.
09:06:49 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY -- ANYBODY ELSE?
09:06:51 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:06:53 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:06:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER THING BEFORE YOU VOTE.
09:06:56 HE MENTIONED HARDSHIP.
09:06:59 OUR LEGAL COUNSEL HAS NEVER INDICATED THAT HARDSHIP IS A
09:07:03 FACTOR.
09:07:04 IT MIGHT BE AN EMOTIONAL FACTOR FOR US, BUT OUR LEGAL
09:07:08 COUNSEL WOULD SAY THAT HARDSHIP MIGHT BE AN ISSUE ON
09:07:11 VETERINARIANS.
09:07:11 THIS ISN'T A VARIANCE.
09:07:12 THIS IS A REZONING.
09:07:13 SO HARDSHIP IS NOT RELEVANT.
09:07:15 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:07:16 WE HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
09:07:17 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:07:17 ANY OPPOSED?
09:07:19 >> NAY.
09:07:20 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:07:21 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES AND MIRANDA
09:07:25 VOTING NO.
09:07:27 -- WITH GUDES AND MIRANDA VOTING NO.
09:07:30 >>LUIS VIERA: IT WAS CITRO.
09:07:31 >>THE CLERK: CORRECTION.
09:07:32 THE MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES AND CITRO VOTING NO.
09:07:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:07:36 NEXT, WE MOVE BACK TO -- NOW, FOR ITEM NUMBER 7, IS THERE
09:07:40 STAFF HERE, THAT THIS IS THEIR LAST AND ONLY ITEM LEFT?
09:07:47 LET'S DO NUMBER 7 AS A COURTESY TO OUR FRIENDS IN THE
09:07:51 PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:07:51 7 AND THEN GO TO 3, 5, 6.
09:08:00 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO, PLANNING, DESIGN AND
09:08:02 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
09:08:03 REZ 19-52, A REZONING REQUEST FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT
09:08:08 1502 AND 1508 EAST 17th AVENUE FROM RS-50 TO CG.
09:08:30 >> DANNY COLLINS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
09:08:32 I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
09:08:33 FOR THIS CASE, WE'RE MOVING TO CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING
09:08:37 DISTRICT.
09:08:37 THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE EAST TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE.
09:08:40 THE CLOSEST TRANSIT STOP IS ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT SITE
09:08:44 ON EAST 17th AVENUE.
09:08:46 THE CLOSEST RECREATION FACILITY IS ON CUSCADEN PARK,
09:08:52 WHICH IS LOCATED ONE BLOCK TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE
09:08:54 SUBJECT SITE.
09:08:55 THE SUBJECT SITE IS NOT IN AN EVACUATION ZONE.
09:09:00 THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
09:09:05 THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED HERE.
09:09:08 OUTLINED IN PURPLE.
09:09:10 THIS IS EAST COLUMBUS DRIVE.
09:09:11 THIS IS NORTH 15th STREET.
09:09:14 THIS IS CUSCADEN PARK.
09:09:16 AND THEN YOU'LL SEE A MIX OF SEMI OR SINGLE-FAMILY
09:09:21 RESIDENTIAL HOMES TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
09:09:25 THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
09:09:38 THE SUBJECT SITE IS CLASSIFIED COMMERCIAL MIXED USE 35.
09:09:43 IT'S SHOWN IN THE LIGHT PINK COLOR.
09:09:45 IT'S KIND OF IN THE CENTER.
09:09:47 IF YOU KIND OF GO OUT, YOU'LL SEE THE CMU-35.
09:09:51 THIS GREEN COLOR IS THE RESIDENTIAL 10 OR THE RESIDENTIAL
09:09:57 20.
09:09:58 AND THEN THE LIGHT TAN COLOR IS THE RESIDENTIAL 10.
09:10:01 AND THEN THIS LIGHT BLUE COLOR IS PUBLIC/SEMI-PUBLIC.
09:10:06 THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
09:10:16 APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND FOUND THE PROPOSED ZONING
09:10:19 COMPARABLE AND COMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING USES IN THE
09:10:21 AREA.
09:10:21 THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY A MIX OF LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND
09:10:24 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.
09:10:26 A MIX OF SINGLE-FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL EXISTS
09:10:29 TO THE EAST, NORTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
09:10:31 THE REQUEST WOULD FACILITATE REDEVELOPMENT OF AN
09:10:36 UNDERUTILIZED AND VACANT LOT IN THE EAST TAMPA URBAN
09:10:39 VILLAGE AND WOULD NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE EXISTING
09:10:43 RESIDENCES.
09:10:43 BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
09:10:47 STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA
09:10:49 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:10:53 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
09:10:57 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO, PLANNING DESIGN AND
09:10:59 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
09:11:00 AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RS-50, AND THE
09:11:05 REQUEST IS TO GO TO COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
09:11:07 DANNY JUST INDICATED IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL 35 LAND USE
09:11:11 CATEGORY, WHICH IS PROMOTING INCREASING DEVELOPMENT TO
09:11:15 THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL LEVEL.
09:11:17 IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
09:11:19 IT IS BOUND TO THE NORTH BY COMMERCIAL GENERAL.
09:11:23 TO THE SOUTH BY COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND ACROSS THE STREET
09:11:26 WE START GOING INTO THE YBOR CITY ZONING DISTRICT.
09:11:28 HERE'S KIND OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
09:11:40 THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET OF 15th TO THE WEST.
09:11:43 THIS IS TO THE NORTH, THE CIGAR FACTORY THAT IS CURRENTLY
09:11:48 STARTING REDEVELOPMENT.
09:11:50 THIS IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.
09:11:55 THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT FINISH OUT THE
09:11:57 BLOCK, TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.
09:12:00 AGAIN, THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE HISTORIC CIGAR FACTORY.
09:12:04 ACROSS 17th IS A COMMERCIAL USE AS WELL AS A LARGE
09:12:09 MARKET ACROSS 17th.
09:12:11 THIS IS A EUCLIDEAN REZONING, SO ANY ALLOWABLE USE WITHIN
09:12:15 THE CG WOULD BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED PENDING APPROVAL OF
09:12:20 ALL ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
09:12:23 THE OVERALL PROPERTY IS .64 ACRES.
09:12:28 LIKE I SAID, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE YBOR
09:12:31 DISTRICT.
09:12:31 HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
09:12:34 THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
09:12:39 OVERALL, THE DEVELOPMENT AND COMPLIANCE STAFF FOUND THIS
09:12:42 CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
09:12:44 ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME?
09:12:48 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:12:50 APPLICANT?
09:12:58 >> GOOD EVENING.
09:13:00 MY NAME IS ALAN DOBBS WITH THE FLORIDA DESIGN STUDIO.
09:13:02 5502 NORTH CHEROKEE AVENUE.
09:13:05 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
09:13:07 HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE FOR THE PRESENTATION?
09:13:08 I'M SORT OF KIDDING BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY
09:13:11 QUICK.
09:13:12 I JUST HAVE ONE VERY SHORT STATEMENT.
09:13:14 THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING IS TO ALLOW REDEVELOPMENT OF
09:13:19 UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTY, BUT ALSO ALLOW ADJACENT
09:13:22 PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, WHICH ARE UNDERUTILIZED, ONE OF
09:13:27 WHICH INCLUDES THE CIGAR FACTORY.
09:13:30 THIS PROPERTY, THE PERFECTO CIGAR FACTORY AND SOME OTHER
09:13:33 ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE ALL OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER, AND
09:13:37 WE'RE WORKING ON REDEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BASICALLY THAT
09:13:40 ENTIRE YEAH, AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE REQUESTING
09:13:44 FOR THIS REZONING.
09:13:45 THANK YOU.
09:13:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:13:46 ANY QUESTIONS?
09:13:47 OKAY.
09:13:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:13:51 IS ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER
09:13:53 7?
09:13:54 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
09:13:55 SPEAK THREE MINUTES AT A TIME.
09:13:59 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:14:01 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:02 ANY IN FAVOR?
09:14:05 MR. DINGFELDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE NUMBER 7?
09:14:11 DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
09:14:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
09:14:21 -- IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
09:14:24 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
09:14:28 CLASSIFICATION RS-50 (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY) TO CG
09:14:32 (COMMERCIAL GENERAL); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09:14:35 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:37 OH, AND YES, THE MAGIC LANGUAGE ON --
09:14:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
09:14:43 MOVE AN ORDINANCE THAT THE PETITIONER HAS MET THE BURDEN
09:14:45 OF PROOF, PROVIDE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT
09:14:48 THE REZONING CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
09:14:51 PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY PLAN AS WELL.
09:14:53 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:14:54 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:56 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:14:57 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:14:58 ANY OPPOSED?
09:15:00 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:15:02 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 19th
09:15:05 AT 9:30 A.M.
09:15:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:15:08 NOW WE GO TO NUMBER 3.
09:15:12 >>RYAN MANASSE: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
09:15:13 RYAN MANASSE, PLANNING, DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
09:15:16 COORDINATION.
09:15:17 NUMBER 3 IS AB 2-19-17, LOCATED AT 17004 PALM POINTE
09:15:23 DRIVE.
09:15:23 THE APPLICANT IS MARK BENTLEY.
09:15:25 THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE SITE IS PDA WITH LAND USE OF CC
09:15:29 35.
09:15:30 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
09:15:32 APPLICATION AND FINDS IT INCONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE
09:15:34 CITY OF TAMPA PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
09:15:37 SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT, MINOR CORRECTIONS TO THE
09:15:39 SITE PLAN WOULD BE NEEDED BEFORE SECOND READING.
09:15:41 THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS AN APPROVED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09:15:45 SALES ORDINANCE 2009-67 FILE VO 9-57 FOR SMALL VENUE BEER
09:15:50 AND WINE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND IN SEALED CONTAINERS
09:15:53 FOR CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES.
09:15:55 EXISTING AB SALES AREA HAS A TOTAL OF 4,309 SQUARE FEET
09:15:59 WITH 2,371 SQUARE FEET INDOOR AND 1,930 SQUARE FEET
09:16:05 OUTDOOR.
09:16:06 ALSO, THE EXISTING AB SALES ORDINANCE, HOURS OF OPERATION
09:16:08 ARE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
09:16:10 THE PETITION THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS REQUESTING A
09:16:13 SPECIAL USE APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC
09:16:16 BEVERAGES FOR A RESTAURANT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR,
09:16:18 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
09:16:20 THE TOTAL AB SALES AREA FOR THE PROPOSED PETITION IS
09:16:23 4,384 SQUARE FEET, WHICH CONTAINS 2,222 SQUARE FEET
09:16:29 INDOORS AREA FIRST FLOOR, 530 SQUARE FEET INDOOR AREA
09:16:33 SECOND FLOOR, AND 1,632 SQUARE FEET OUTDOOR.
09:16:37 THE PROPOSED USE ON THE PROPERTY IS A RESTAURANT.
09:16:40 AND THIS PETITION WAS NOT CONSIDERED A CHANGE OF USE.
09:16:44 THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE ENTIRE STRIP CENTER IS 107 SPACES
09:16:48 WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN ORDINANCE 2018-51 FILE
09:16:50 AB-2, 1724.
09:16:53 THE PROPERTY IS ALONG A MIXED USE CORRIDOR VILLAGE AND
09:16:56 THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT IS 250 FEET FROM
09:16:59 RESIDENTIAL USES AND 250 FEET FROM OTHER ALCOHOL SELLING
09:17:04 ESTABLISHMENTS.
09:17:04 THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT THE SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE
09:17:07 LOCATED IN A PARKING LOADING AREA OR SPACE, AND THAT ALL
09:17:10 PERMITS ISSUED AFTER APRIL 1st, 2011, SHALL BE KEPT
09:17:13 ON-SITE.
09:17:13 A COPY OF ADOPTED ORDINANCES AND ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN FOR
09:17:17 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES PERMIT.
09:17:18 THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS PETITION ARE LISTED ON
09:17:20 THE SITE PLAN AS CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, AS MAY BE
09:17:23 AMENDED.
09:17:23 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS OF CODE AND STAFF FINDINGS FOUND
09:17:27 THAT PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION DID
09:17:29 FIND IT INCONSISTENT.
09:17:29 AND THAT'S DUE TO THE REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED DISTANCE
09:17:33 SEPARATION FROM OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
09:17:35 AGAIN, MINOR CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE
09:17:37 NEEDED.
09:17:38 THE MINOR CORRECTION, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ON A GRAPHIC IS
09:17:41 THE AB SALES AREA ON THE SITE AND FLOOR PLAN NEEDS
09:17:45 ACCURATELY REFLECT AB SALES AREA ON THE SKETCH THAT WAS
09:17:48 CERTIFIED.
09:17:49 THE WAIVER COMES FROM SECTION 27-132, AND THAT IS TO
09:17:52 REDUCE THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM OTHER AB
09:17:55 SALES ESTABLISHMENTS FROM 250 FEET TO 0 FEET.
09:17:59 ALONG MIXED USE CORRIDOR VILLAGES, AGAIN, 250 FEET FOR
09:18:04 RESIDENTIAL USES AND 250 FEET FOR ALCOHOLIC AB SALES
09:18:08 ESTABLISHMENTS IS REQUIRED.
09:18:09 THERE ARE NO OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES WITHIN THAT AREA, AND
09:18:11 THE ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT THAT DID TRIGGER THIS WAIVER
09:18:16 COMES FROM ONE 17012 PALM POINTE DRIVE, WHICH IS THE SAME
09:18:20 STRIP CENTER.
09:18:21 IT'S ZONED PDA.
09:18:22 IT IS THE KOIZI ENDLESS HIBACHI AND SUSHI EATERY.
09:18:27 THEY HOLD A 4(COP).
09:18:28 THEY WAY IT'S MEASURED IS AT 0 FEET BECAUSE IT IS ON THE
09:18:31 SAME PROPERTY.
09:18:32 GENERAL PLANNING AND TRANSIT FINDINGS FOUND THE PROPERTY
09:18:36 IS LOCATED IN THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR VILLAGE.
09:18:38 CODE CRITERIA FOR CITY COUNCIL REFERENCE AND
09:18:40 CONSIDERATION COME FROM SECTION 27-43, THAT IS THE
09:18:43 DEFINITIONS WHERE IT DEFINES BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR
09:18:46 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY AS WELL AS THE RESTAURANT
09:18:48 USE.
09:18:48 OTHER AREAS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IS SECTION 27-129,
09:18:52 THE GENERAL STANDARDS.
09:18:53 AND SECTION 27-132 REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL
09:18:57 SPECIAL USES.
09:18:58 THE MAP SHOWS THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE
09:19:11 AREA AERIAL VIEW.
09:19:12 WHAT I DID, THIS IS JUST A VICINITY MAP.
09:19:14 THIS IS NOT BY SCALE.
09:19:16 THE AB SKETCH ACTUALLY LOCKS IN THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALE
09:19:20 AREA, FOR YOU TO IDENTIFY THE AREA IN THE STRIP CENTER, I
09:19:22 KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED HERE WITH MY RED PEN.
09:19:24 THE OVERALL PROPERTY IS THE RED DASHED BOUNDARY.
09:19:27 AS YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE PROPERTY, IT'S ALL PDA,
09:19:30 INCLUDING ACROSS THE STREET.
09:19:31 TOP PHOTO SHOWS THE FRONT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
09:19:36 IT IS THE CICCIO'S.
09:19:40 THIS IS THE OUTDOOR AREA RIGHT NEXT TO -- WELL, IT'S
09:19:42 CONNECTED TO THE INDOOR AREA.
09:19:44 TOP PHOTO SHOWS THE REAR VIEW OF THE OUTSIDE AREA.
09:19:48 YOU SEE THE FENCE GO AROUND IT AND THEN THE TABLE SETUP.
09:19:51 THIS IS THE PICTURE BEHIND THE STRIP CENTER.
09:19:54 SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE PREVIOUS ALCOHOL
09:19:58 WAS THIS COOLER IS INCLUDED IN THIS AB SKETCH.
09:20:01 THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE AB SQUARE FOOTAGE MIGHT BE A
09:20:04 LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING AB SALES ORDINANCE.
09:20:07 THIS TOP PICTURE WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE ON PALM AVENUE AND
09:20:11 THEN ONCE YOU'RE IN -- I'M SORRY, PALM AVENUE, THE
09:20:14 ENTRANCE TO THE ESTABLISHMENT.
09:20:16 THIS WOULD BE THE OTHER ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S
09:20:22 DIRECTLY IN THE SAME STRIP CENTER.
09:20:24 BOTTOM PHOTO IS SOUTHEAST TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD.
09:20:33 AND THEN THERE'S SOUTH ACROSS TAMPA PALMS BOULEVARD.
09:20:38 IT WAS SUBMITTED FOR STAFF TO REVIEW AND PROVIDED HARD
09:20:42 COPIES.
09:20:43 CORRECTIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING WAS TO THE
09:20:46 ALCOHOL SALES AREA THAT'S SHOWN GEOGRAPHICALLY ON THE
09:20:49 SITE PLAN.
09:20:50 I HIGHLIGHTED THE AB SKETCH FROM THE APPLICATION PACKET.
09:20:53 I WOULD LIKE IT TO MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THE AB SKETCH.
09:21:01 TPD HAD NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
09:21:01 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
09:21:03 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
09:21:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN I LOOK AT THE TPD CRIMINAL
09:21:10 INTELLIGENCE REPORT, 37 CALLS, IS THAT FOR THE WHOLE
09:21:13 PLAZA?
09:21:14 IS THIS FOR THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION?
09:21:18 >>RYAN MANASSE: SO THE WAY IT WORKS WITH TPD CALLS FOR
09:21:23 SERVICE, AND IT'S NOT INACCURATE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS -- IF
09:21:29 ANYTHING IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE ON THAT ROAD, TPD HAS TO
09:21:32 MARK IT AS THAT ADDRESS.
09:21:33 YOU'LL FIND THIS IN A LOT OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT MAY BE
09:21:36 ON A BUSY ROAD, IF SOMEONE GOT PULLED OVER THERE, THEY
09:21:38 ARE GOING TO START A REPORT FOR THAT ADDRESS.
09:21:42 NECESSARILY NOT FOR THIS SPECIFIC ADDRESS.
09:21:44 THE TPD OFFICER I BELIEVE THAT INVESTIGATES THIS, HE
09:21:47 WOULD HAVE SHOWN IF THERE WAS ACTUALLY ANYONE --
09:21:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
09:21:54 I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHAT IT WAS.
09:21:56 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, COUNCILMAN.
09:21:57 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:21:57 MR. SHELBY, I HAVE A QUESTION.
09:22:04 I WANT TO DO THIS OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.
09:22:06 THERE IS PROPERTY IN TAMPA PALMS THAT MY NAME IS ON THE
09:22:09 MORTGAGE.
09:22:09 IT'S ABOUT ONE AND A HALF MILES AWAY.
09:22:14 THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE ME --
09:22:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE AND A HALF MILES IS QUITE A
09:22:19 DISTANCE.
09:22:20 THERE'S A LOT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU AND THEM.
09:22:22 AND YOU HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PETITION ONE
09:22:25 WAY OR THE OTHER.
09:22:26 >>LUIS VIERA: ZERO.
09:22:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:22:27 >>LUIS VIERA: OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF OCD CAUTION.
09:22:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION UNDER FLORIDA
09:22:33 STATUTES, YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO VOTE.
09:22:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:22:35 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:22:43 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY
09:22:45 NAME IS MARK BENTLEY, TAMPA, 33602.
09:22:49 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
09:22:51 I REPRESENT THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP WITH
09:22:55 MODIFICATIONS TO THEIR WET ZONING IN THE SHOPPING CENTER
09:22:57 OUT IN TAMPA PALMS.
09:22:58 THEY'VE BEEN THERE APPROXIMATELY NINE YEARS AT THIS POINT
09:23:00 IN TIME.
09:23:02 2 COP ALLOWS PACKAGE SALES, BEER AND WINE.
09:23:08 NO INCIDENTS RELATED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT THAT WE'RE
09:23:11 AWARE OF IN THE NINE YEARS.
09:23:13 COUNCILMAN GUDES, THE ISSUE ABOUT THE ADDRESS, I KNOW
09:23:17 YOU'RE A POLICEMEN, BUT WHAT THE POLICE DO IS THEY TAG
09:23:21 ANY INCIDENT TO THE CLOSEST ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S OPEN OR
09:23:24 NOT.
09:23:24 THAT'S THE WAY THAT WORKS.
09:23:27 THEY HAVE THIS NEW RESTAURANT CONCEPT, RECENTLY, COUNCIL
09:23:31 APPROVED ONE ON DALE MABRY ACROSS THE STREET FROM LA
09:23:38 FITNESS.
09:23:40 KALI RESTAURANT.
09:23:41 SO THE MODIFICATION BEING SOUGHT HERE TONIGHT ARE IN
09:23:43 CONNECTION WITH THE NEW CONCEPT BY CICCIO.
09:23:47 SPECIFICALLY, THE CHANGES ARE AS FOLLOWS.
09:23:49 FROM A SMALL VENUE TO A RESTAURANT, BY DEFINITION UNDER
09:23:54 CITY CODE, A RESTAURANT IS THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THE
09:23:58 PROPERTY IS THE PREPARATION AND SALE OF FOOD.
09:24:00 THERE IS A REPORTING REQUIREMENT, ANNUAL REPORTING
09:24:04 REQUIREMENT IN TERMS OF YOUR PERCENTAGES.
09:24:05 THEY ARE INCREASING THE INDOOR AREA 530 SQUARE FEET TO
09:24:11 ADD A SECOND FLOOR.
09:24:12 THEY ARE DECREASING THE OUTDOOR AREA BY 300 SQUARE FEET.
09:24:15 THEY ARE ADDING LIQUOR AS A COMPONENT.
09:24:17 THEY ARE ELIMINATING THE ABILITY TO HAVE PACKAGE SALES
09:24:19 AND THEY'LL MAINTAIN THE SAME HOURS OF OPERATION THAT
09:24:23 THEY HAVE, WHICH ARE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 14 AND ALSO
09:24:26 POINT OUT TO COUNCIL THERE ARE THREE OTHER RESTAURANTS IN
09:24:29 THE CENTER AND ALL OF THEM ARE 4(COP) AND ALL THE HOURS
09:24:33 OF OPERATION ARE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 14.
09:24:36 THE WAIVER FROM THE OTHER ABs, AS RYAN INDICATED IN THE
09:24:39 STAFF REPORT, WE NEED A WAIVER, BECAUSE THE WAY THE CITY
09:24:45 APPLIES ITS WET ZONING CODE, THE INTERPRETATION IS THAT
09:24:48 EVEN IF IT'S IN THE SAME SHOPPING CENTER, IT COULD BE
09:24:51 800 FEET AWAY AND EXCEED THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT.
09:24:55 IF IT'S ON THE SAME FOLIO OR PARCEL, THE CITY CONSIDERS
09:24:58 IT TO BE ZERO.
09:25:00 SO THE SUSHI PLACE THAT'S ZERO COULD HAVE BEEN 500 FEET
09:25:04 AWAY.
09:25:05 BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE CITY INTERPRETS IT.
09:25:07 IN ANY EVENT, THE SUSHI IS 4(COP), HOURS OF OPERATION ARE
09:25:13 PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 14.
09:25:15 SO THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS IT UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY
09:25:18 QUESTIONS.
09:25:18 THEY ESTABLISHED A GOOD TRACK RECORD OUT THERE FOR NINE
09:25:23 YEARS AND THEY WANT TO TWEAK THIS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH
09:25:25 THE NEW CONCEPT.
09:25:27 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
09:25:28 I'LL JUST SPEAK.
09:25:29 THIS IN NO WAY DEFINES OR FORMS MY VOTE.
09:25:35 I'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN TO THAT RESTAURANT A NUMBER OF TIMES.
09:25:37 I LIVE OVER IN HUNTER'S GREEN.
09:25:40 THERE ARE ALWAYS GOOD FOLKS OVER THERE WHO ARE GOOD
09:25:43 COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON A LOT OF ISSUES AND GENERALLY ARE
09:25:47 VERY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE FROM MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT
09:25:50 HAS NO BASIS ON MY VOTE.
09:25:52 THANK YOU.
09:25:53 ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM
09:25:55 NUMBER 3?
09:25:57 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
09:25:58 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
09:26:00 MIRANDA.
09:26:00 A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:26:02 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:26:03 ANY OPPOSED?
09:26:04 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, I BELIEVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE
09:26:07 THIS ITEM, SIR?
09:26:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:26:09 MR. SHELBY, ON THESE -- ON THE SHEET HERE FOR ALCOHOLIC
09:26:16 BEVERAGE.
09:26:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M GOING TO REFER YOU TO THE STAFF
09:26:21 REPORT SECTION 27-129 THE GENERAL STANDARDS.
09:26:25 IF IT COMPLIES WITH THAT, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY
09:26:27 FINDINGS WITH REGARD TO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO
09:26:30 DO IT.
09:26:30 ALSO, I BELIEVE THERE'S A REVISIONS REQUIRED AS PART OF
09:26:34 THE MOTION, IS THAT CORRECT, BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
09:26:37 READING.
09:26:38 >>RYAN MANASSE: THAT IS CORRECT.
09:26:39 IT'S LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND VISUALLY DEPICTED FOR
09:26:42 THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THOSE MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE
09:26:45 GRAPHICS ON THE SITE PLAN TO MATCH THE AB STATUTE.
09:26:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:26:52 SO I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
09:26:56 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
09:26:59 PERMIT (S-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, RESTAURANT
09:27:05 (CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY) AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE
09:27:09 OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE
09:27:12 AND LIQUOR, ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
09:27:14 LOCATED AT 17004 PALM POINTE DRIVE, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
09:27:18 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3; PROVIDING THAT
09:27:20 ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
09:27:23 REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2009-67; PROVIDING
09:27:27 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
09:27:28 AND INCLUDING THE REVISION SHEET.
09:27:31 I SEE GOING BY THE STAFF REPORT, I FIND IT CONSISTENT
09:27:40 USING SECTION 27-129 GENERAL STANDARDS.
09:27:46 IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY
09:27:51 AS A PUBLIC NECESSITY, I FIND IT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE
09:27:55 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THAT'S IT.
09:27:59 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:28:01 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:28:03 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:28:03 ANY OPPOSED?
09:28:07 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:28:09 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 19th
09:28:11 AT 9:30 A.M.
09:28:13 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:28:14 >> THANK YOU.
09:28:15 HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
09:28:16 >>LUIS VIERA: I AGAIN WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR YOUR
09:28:19 PATIENCE AS WE COME TO THE FINAL COUNTDOWN.
09:28:24 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, PLANNING DESIGN AND
09:28:26 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
09:28:27 ITEM NUMBER 5 IS APPLICATION AB 2-19-19, LOCATED AT 5244
09:28:31 AND 5246 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
09:28:34 THE APPLICANT IS DAVID -- THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICATION
09:28:36 IS DAVID B. SINGER.
09:28:37 AND THE CURRENT ZONING ON THE PROPERTY IS SHCG AND SH-CI.
09:28:44 FUTURE LAND USE CC 35.
09:28:45 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
09:28:48 THE APPLICATION AND FINDS IT INCONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE
09:28:51 CITY OF TAMPA PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
09:28:53 MINOR CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN ARE NEEDED BETWEEN
09:28:56 FIRST AND SECOND READING SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS PETITION
09:28:58 TONIGHT.
09:28:59 THE PETITION BEFORE YOU IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE
09:29:02 APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR A
09:29:05 SMALL VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, PACKAGE SALES
09:29:07 OFF-PREMISES, CONSUMPTION ONLY.
09:29:09 THE PETITION IS NOT CONSIDERED A CHANGE OF USE, AND THE
09:29:12 USE IS RETAIL SALES ESTABLISHED UNDER BUILDING PERMIT BLD
09:29:16 17-0451382.
09:29:19 THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR ALL THE USES IS 110 SPACES.
09:29:22 TOTAL AB SALES AREA IS 3,642 SQUARE FEET.
09:29:26 FIRST FLOOR INDOOR ONLY.
09:29:28 WHICH IS FURTHER BROKEN DOWN BY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AB
09:29:32 CLASSIFICATION AS 555 SQUARE FEET FOR A 3 PS, WHICH IS
09:29:36 BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR PACKAGE SALES AND AT 5244 NORTH
09:29:40 FLORIDA, AND 3,087 SQUARE FEET FOR A 2 APS, BEER WINE
09:29:47 PACKAGE SALES AT 5246 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
09:29:49 THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN
09:29:52 VILLAGE, AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT IS
09:29:54 250 FEET FROM OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
09:29:57 THE SITE PLAN FACILITIES THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE
09:29:59 CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14 AND THE SALES AREA SHALL NOT
09:30:04 BE LOCATED IN A PARKING LOADING AREA OR SPACE.
09:30:08 ALSO ALL PERMITS AFTER APRIL 1st, 2011 SHALL BE KEPT ON
09:30:12 SITE.
09:30:12 COPY OF ORDINANCE AND ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN FOR ALCOHOLIC
09:30:15 BEVERAGE SALES PERMIT.
09:30:17 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS OF CODE AND STAFF FINDINGS FOUND IT
09:30:19 INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT.
09:30:22 IT IS THE REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION
09:30:25 TO OTHER AB ESTABLISHMENTS.
09:30:26 THAT WAIVER FROM SECTION 27-132.
09:30:29 IT READS AS TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION TO
09:30:32 OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS FROM 250 FEET TO 85 FEET.
09:30:35 THE CLOSEST AB SALES ESTABLISHMENT IS THE RED STAR ROCK
09:30:39 BAR AT 5210 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
09:30:42 ZONED SH-CI AND SHCG.
09:30:45 IT HOLDS A 4(COP) AND IT'S AT THE 85 FEET.
09:30:48 GENERAL PLANNING AND TRANSIT FINDINGS FOUND THAT HART
09:30:51 ROUTE 1 TYPICALLY RUNS WEEKDAYS FROM 4:05 A.M. TO 12:43
09:30:53 A.M. AND WEEKENDS FROM 6 A.M. TO 10:48 P.M.
09:30:58 AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
09:31:00 URBAN VILLAGE.
09:31:01 CODE CRITERIA FOR CITY COUNCIL REFERENCE AND
09:31:04 CONSIDERATION COME FROM SECTION 27-43.
09:31:07 THAT'S THE DEFINITIONS.
09:31:08 I INCLUDED THE DEFINITION FOR A SMALL VENUE, WHICH IS A
09:31:11 COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT WITH LESS THAN 299 PERSON
09:31:13 OCCUPANCY, WHICH SELLS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ONLY.
09:31:16 THEN ALSO THE DEFINITION FOR RETAIL SALES AND THE AB
09:31:19 CLASSIFICATION.
09:31:20 AGAIN, THIS IS FOR PACKAGE SALES ONLY IN THIS PETITION.
09:31:22 OTHER CODE SECTIONS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER COME FROM
09:31:27 SECTION 27-129 GENERAL STANDARDS.
09:31:29 AND SECTION 27-132 REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL
09:31:33 SPECIAL USES.
09:31:34 HERE'S THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAP.
09:31:44 AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ENTIRE PARCEL AGAIN IS OUTLINED IN
09:31:47 RED.
09:31:47 I TRY TO VISUALLY DEPICT THE CUTOUTS FOR THESE TYPE OF
09:31:52 STRIP CENTERS.
09:31:53 AGAIN, THE AB SKETCH IS WHAT WILL HOLD THE ALCOHOL TO THE
09:31:56 PROPERTY AREA.
09:31:56 AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ZONING IS SHCG, AS I SAID AND SH-CI
09:32:02 TO THE SOUTH, INCLUDING THE PROPERTY, THE PETITION IN
09:32:05 FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
09:32:06 THE TOP PHOTO IS OF THE SUBJECT SITE AT THE FRONT.
09:32:10 THAT'S FACING MORE OF A NORTHWEST.
09:32:13 AND THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS FACING SOUTHWEST.
09:32:18 THIS TOP PICTURE IS NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE, AND ALSO SOUTH
09:32:21 FLORIDA, SOUTH ON FLORIDA AVENUE.
09:32:23 THE SUBJECT SITE PARKING GARAGE AND THEN I TOOK A PICTURE
09:32:28 JUST OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARKING GARAGE TO GIVE YOU AN
09:32:30 IDEA OF WHERE PARKING WOULD BE TAKING PLACE.
09:32:32 THIS IS GENERALLY THE LOCATION OF THE FRONT OF THE
09:32:35 STRUCTURE.
09:32:35 THE RETAIL COMPONENT IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
09:32:38 THIS IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
09:32:40 THIS IS THE REAR INSIDE THE PARKING GARAGE.
09:32:45 AND THEN ACROSS -- DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, FLORIDA
09:32:48 AVENUE.
09:32:49 THE TOP PICTURE SHOWS THE CLOSEST ALCOHOL SALES
09:32:53 ESTABLISHMENT.
09:32:53 THE RED STAR ROCK BAR TO THE PROPERTY.
09:32:56 AND THIS IS NORTH ACROSS GIBBONS AVENUE.
09:33:01 THE SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED AND YOU HAVE A HARD COPY IN
09:33:03 FRONT OF YOU AS WELL AS I'VE PROVIDED A GRAPHIC DEPICTION
09:33:06 OF SOME MINOR CORRECTIONS TO THE SITE PLAN THAT I WOULD
09:33:09 REQUIRE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING SHOULD YOU
09:33:11 APPROVE THIS PETITION.
09:33:12 TPD FOUND NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST, AND STAFF IS
09:33:16 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
09:33:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
09:33:21 NO.
09:33:21 ALL RIGHT.
09:33:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:33:23 PETITIONER, PLEASE.
09:33:45 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
09:33:46 DAVID SINGER.
09:33:47 FOR THE APPLICANT, ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE MATT NEWTON.
09:33:52 101 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD HERE IN TAMPA.
09:33:54 I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
09:33:56 I WILL TRY AND KEEP THIS BRIEF.
09:33:59 I AM HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE ENDS.
09:34:01 AS STAFF INDICATED, WHILE WE'RE HERE TO PERMIT THE AB
09:34:05 USE, THIS IS ALSO ABOUT BRINGING GROCERY STORE TO A
09:34:09 COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE CORRIDOR IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
09:34:11 LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT THE APPLICANT, WHO IS
09:34:17 DUCKWEED URBAN GROCERY.
09:34:19 DUCKWEED IS A TAMPA-BASED GROCERY STORE THAT IS COMMITTED
09:34:22 TO CARRYING LOCALLY SOURCED FRESH PRODUCE AND OTHER LOCAL
09:34:26 PRODUCTS FROM LOCALLY CREATED DESSERTS TO LOCAL CRAFT
09:34:30 BEER AND DISTILLED SPIRITS.
09:34:32 ONE OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA'S MOST ACCESSIBLE GROCERY STORES,
09:34:35 IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE ELEMENT BUILDING, AND THAT WAS
09:34:38 THEIR FIRST LOCATION.
09:34:40 THEY HAVE EXPANDED WITH ANOTHER LOCATION IN CHANNELSIDE.
09:34:43 SOON THEY ARE LOOKING TO ADD A LOCATION AT THE NEW
09:34:47 WESTSHORE MARINA DISTRICT.
09:34:48 WITH YOUR APPROVAL IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
09:34:52 WITH THIS APPLICATION, DUCKWEED IS REQUESTING TO OPEN A
09:34:57 3,642-SQUARE-FOOT GROCERY STORE.
09:35:00 ONLY 555 SQUARE FEET OF WHICH WILL BE UTILIZED FOR A
09:35:06 LIQUOR COMPONENT.
09:35:08 THIS IS AN OVERHEAD MAP OF THE CORRIDOR.
09:35:11 YOU'RE LOOKING AT FLORIDA AVENUE RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH.
09:35:13 THE LOCATION IS JUST SOUTH OF THIS INTERSECTION.
09:35:16 AT HILLSBOROUGH AND ACROSS FROM THE ICHICORO RAMEN
09:35:24 RESTAURANT. YOU COULD THE LOCATION BY THE DUCK ICON IN
09:35:28 THE MIDDLE.
09:35:29 THIS IS PRIMARILY A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WITH RESIDENTIAL
09:35:31 USES SITUATED A BLOCK BEHIND A NUMBER OF GROWING AND
09:35:33 SUCCESSFUL USES.
09:35:36 HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION IS WITHIN THE CC 35 STRETCH
09:35:39 OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
09:35:41 NOTED IN THE RED COLOR.
09:35:43 THIS IS AN INTENSE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IN OUR COMP
09:35:47 PLAN THAT ALLOWS FOR INTENSIVE AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL
09:35:49 USES.
09:35:50 ON THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS SQUARELY WITHIN
09:35:53 THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE DISTRICT.
09:35:56 THE MOST DENSE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IN THIS PART OF THE
09:35:59 CITY.
09:36:00 THIS CORRIDOR IS IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT NOTED FOR ITS
09:36:03 MANY NEW CULINARY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CITY.
09:36:06 AND THE COMMUNITY ALONG WITH CITY STAFF HAS BEEN MAKING
09:36:11 STRIDES TO MAKE THIS A MORE WALKABLE AND CONNECTED
09:36:14 CORRIDOR.
09:36:14 THIS APPLICATION FURTHERS THAT OBJECTIVE.
09:36:18 THIS IS A SIDE VIEW OF WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE
09:36:21 TODAY.
09:36:22 AS STAFF POINTED OUT, THE ONLY WAIVER THE APPLICANT IS
09:36:24 REQUESTING IS TO OPERATE DUCKWEED IN RELATIVE CLOSE
09:36:28 PROXIMITY TO ANOTHER AB USE.
09:36:29 THAT USE IS THE RED STAR ROCK BAR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ONE
09:36:32 OF THE SMALLEST BARS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:36:36 ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, THAT USE CONTAINS
09:36:38 ONLY 1300 SQUARE FEET OF HEATED AREA AND FOR COMPARISON
09:36:43 SAKE, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH TINY TAP IN
09:36:46 SOUTH TAMPA, THAT'S ONLY 90 SQUARE FEET SMALLER.
09:36:49 KEEP IN MIND THIS LIQUOR COMPONENT AT DUCKWEED IS ONLY
09:36:53 555 SQUARE FEET.
09:36:55 WHY AM I TELLING YOU THIS?
09:36:58 WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?
09:36:59 THE PROXIMITY OF DUCKWEED TO THIS EXISTING USE IS NOT
09:37:02 GOING TO LEAD TO AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF CREATING A
09:37:06 NIGHTCLUB DISTRICT.
09:37:07 THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THE DISTANCE SEPARATION.
09:37:09 IN THE CODE.
09:37:11 SO YOU DON'T CREATE A CORRIDOR WHERE YOU CAN HAVE
09:37:13 EXTENSIVE NIGHTCLUBS.
09:37:15 WE ARE AVOIDING THAT.
09:37:16 I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS NOT
09:37:19 ASKING FOR.
09:37:20 IT'S NOT ASKING FOR A PARKING WAIVER.
09:37:23 IT'S NOT ASKING FOR A SETBACK WAIVER.
09:37:25 IT'S NOT ASKING FOR A LANDSCAPED OR A GREENSPACE WAIVER.
09:37:28 ZOOMING OUT, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT FEW GROCERY OPTIONS
09:37:35 EXIST IN THIS AREA.
09:37:36 THERE IS A NEED FOR GROCERY USE IN THE GROWING SEMINOLE
09:37:40 HEIGHTS COMMUNITY.
09:37:41 ALSO, IT'S SMART PLANNING.
09:37:44 INTEGRATING THE GROUND LEVEL GROCERY STORE USES IN SMALL
09:37:47 SCALE, VERTICAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS IS PRECISELY WHAT
09:37:50 URBAN PLANNERS ENVISIONED FOR THE SUCCESSFUL FUTURE OF
09:37:53 WALKABLE COMMUNITIES.
09:37:55 ON THIS SLIDE, I HIGHLIGHTED EXCERPTS FROM A
09:37:58 PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLE IN THE JOURNAL OF URBANISM THAT IS
09:38:02 TITLED "BEYOND BODEGAS, AFFORDABLE ARE GROCERIES THROUGH
09:38:06 AN INNOVATIVE STORE FORMAT."
09:38:09 THE ARTICLE ADVOCATES THE UTILIZATION OF SMALL SCALE,
09:38:12 VERTICALLY INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENTS WITH GROUND FLOOR
09:38:15 GROCERY USES BECAUSE THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD
09:38:17 CHARACTER, TO FOOD SECURITY AND ECONOMIC STABILITY.
09:38:21 GROCERY STORES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE A POSITIVE AND
09:38:24 A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP.
09:38:26 THESE GROCERY STORES STRENGTHEN NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:38:29 THE FACT THAT LIQUOR IS INCLUDED, WITH THIS GROCERY
09:38:32 STORE'S INVENTORY, SHOULDN'T MUDDY THE WATERS HERE.
09:38:37 THERE IS NO REASON THE NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD BE ABLE TO
09:38:39 WALK A FEW STEPS FOR FRESH PRODUCE BUT HAVE TO DRIVE,
09:38:43 BIKE, GET ON A BUS, OR TAKE A SCOOTER IF THEY WANT TO
09:38:46 PURCHASE LIQUOR.
09:38:48 WE CAN'T CELEBRATE THE USE ON ONE HAND AND DISRUPT ITS
09:38:52 BUSINESS MODEL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE FUTURE
09:38:55 LAND USE AND THE ZONING ON THE OTHER HAND.
09:39:00 I WANT TO TOUCH ON A FEW FEATURES OF THE BUILDING ITSELF,
09:39:05 WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED, AND
09:39:07 PEOPLE ARE ALREADY MOVING IN.
09:39:08 THERE IS ROBUST BUFFERING AND SCREENING BETWEEN THE
09:39:11 BUILDING AND ITS NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST.
09:39:13 A 10-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND 13-FOOT SETBACK SEPARATE
09:39:17 THESE USES.
09:39:18 AND NOTE THAT THE CODE REQUIRES NO SETBACK.
09:39:22 HERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE EXISTING SCREENING, WHICH IS
09:39:25 ONLY GOING TO GROW OVER TIME.
09:39:27 THE BUILDING HAS A VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM BOTH GIDDENS AND
09:39:31 FLORIDA.
09:39:32 THE GROCERY COMPONENT CAN BE ACCESSED FROM THE REAR AND
09:39:35 THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
09:39:37 THE LIQUOR COMPONENT CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED FROM FLORIDA
09:39:39 AVENUE.
09:39:39 DUCKWEED HAS BEEN ACTIVELY COMMUNICATING WITH THE
09:39:47 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
09:39:47 AS SHOWN HERE WITH A POST FROM THE SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
09:39:51 CIVIC ASSOCIATION'S Facebook PAGE, COMMENTS FROM THE
09:39:53 COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN LARGELY POSITIVE.
09:39:56 THERE'S A GOOD BUZZ, A GOOD VIBE IN THE COMMUNITIES ABOUT
09:39:59 THE ADDITION OF DUCKWEED TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
09:40:02 IN CONCLUSION, THIS IS GOOD PLANNING.
09:40:07 THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 27, SECTION 129.
09:40:11 IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
09:40:14 IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING.
09:40:16 THIS IS A NEED FOR GROCERY IN THE GROWING COMMUNITY OF
09:40:20 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
09:40:21 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND I'M HERE TO
09:40:25 ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
09:40:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SINGER, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THE
09:40:28 LETTER BACK UP FROM SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS?
09:40:30 >> THAT WAS A Facebook POST.
09:40:33 THIS IS OUR CLIENT, DUCKWEED COMMUNICATING WITH THE
09:40:37 RESIDENTS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
09:40:40 CIVIC ASSOCIATION POSTED IT FOR ALL THEIR MEMBERS.
09:40:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS FROM THE OWNER OF DUCKWEED.
09:40:49 I THOUGHT IT WAS A POSITION TAKEN BY THE SOUTH SEMINOLE
09:40:51 HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION.
09:40:52 >> NO, SIR.
09:40:53 THIS IS EVIDENCE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY.
09:40:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:40:59 ANY QUESTIONS?
09:41:00 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:41:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, WHEN
09:41:04 WE SAY THERE ARE --
09:41:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
09:41:09 WHEN WE SAY THERE ARE NO GROCERY STORES, THERE IS A
09:41:12 SAVE-A-LOT TO THE WEST.
09:41:14 THERE IS A WALMART TO THE EAST.
09:41:16 YOU HAVE ANOTHER GROCER, DOLLAR TREE.
09:41:22 I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, I'M LOOKING AT THIS NEW
09:41:26 DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE A PACKAGE STORE IN
09:41:30 IT.
09:41:30 WHEN I THINK ABOUT ALCOHOL, I LOOK AT THE AREA, AND YOU
09:41:36 HAVE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
09:41:42 THE RIVER, HAVE WE CONSIDERED -- BECAUSE NOW WE'RE
09:41:49 LOOKING AT A PACKAGE STORE THERE.
09:41:52 AND THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH AN ALCOHOLIC CLUB CLOSE TO A
09:42:00 PACKAGE STORE IN KNOWING THAT AREA HAS ITS CHALLENGES.
09:42:05 IT'S STARTING TO PICK UP.
09:42:11 BUT MY CONCERN, A PACKAGE STORE SO CLOSE TO SOUTHEAST
09:42:14 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE.
09:42:16 THE TRAFFIC FLOW, IT MAY NOT BE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT
09:42:25 PARTICULAR BUILDING, PER SE.
09:42:26 IF YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
09:42:28 HOW ARE THE OWNERS OR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING OWNER IS
09:42:40 -- GOING TO BE JUST FOR THESE FOLKS AND THE LOFT
09:42:46 BUILDING?
09:42:47 WHAT I CAN EVENTUALLY SEE, A CLOSE LIQUOR STORE, BECAUSE
09:42:49 THE CLOSEST LIQUOR STORE IN THAT AREA WILL BE THE ABC
09:42:53 LIQUOR STORE TO THE EAST.
09:42:55 SO I'M JUST WONDERING, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, AND HOW THAT'S
09:43:03 GOING TO WORK WITH THAT BUILDING THERE.
09:43:06 BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE AREA.
09:43:14 >> IT'S DUCKWEED'S CONTENTION -- AND I HOPE THIS ANSWERS
09:43:17 YOUR QUESTION -- IT'S DUCKWEED'S CONTENTION THAT THERE IS
09:43:19 ROOM IN THE MARKET FOR AN ADDITIONAL PLAYER.
09:43:21 WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AND IF YOU
09:43:24 LOOK AT THIS SLIDE THAT IS UP THERE NOW, WHICH I THINK IS
09:43:26 THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I MEAN, IT'S SEVERAL
09:43:31 BLOCKS AWAY, IF NOT MORE, FROM BOTH THE SAVE-A-LOT FROM
09:43:36 GUIDA'S.
09:43:37 YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IN PROXIMITY HERE WITH NO
09:43:42 WALKABLE ACCESS TO A GROCERY STORE.
09:43:44 AGAIN, IN A VERY COMMERCIALLY INTENSIVE FUTURE LAND USE
09:43:48 PATTERN AND ZONING DISTRICT.
09:43:50 IF THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A MARKET FOR IT?
09:43:55 I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES, AND DUCKWEED WOULD LIKE THE
09:43:58 OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT.
09:44:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO BE TACTFUL WITH MY WORDING.
09:44:08 I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO BUT I'M TRYING TO --
09:44:12 YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT -- IF THIS WAS
09:44:20 APPROVED THAT EVERYBODY IN THE VICINITY WOULD BE A PART
09:44:22 OF DUCKWEED, IF YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, SIR.
09:44:26 >> LET ME SAY THIS, PART OF THE REASON I PUT UP THE
09:44:30 COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND
09:44:35 ITS RESIDENTS AND DUCKWEED'S COMMUNICATION WITH THE
09:44:40 NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS THAT THE
09:44:41 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD EXPRESSED.
09:44:44 ONE OF THEM WAS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A WALK-UP
09:44:47 WINDOW TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT.
09:44:48 THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE.
09:44:50 ONE OF THEM WAS ABOUT ACCESS.
09:44:53 AND ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENTER, AND WE EVEN -- AND
09:44:58 EVEN POTENTIALLY LOITER ON A SIDE STREET NEAR THE
09:45:01 NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:45:03 I WILL POINT TO, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THIS IS ON FLORIDA
09:45:05 AVENUE.
09:45:06 AND YOU CAN'T PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT AND RUN IN AND
09:45:09 RUN OUT.
09:45:09 THAT'S NOT HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS SET UP.
09:45:17 PART OF THE BENEFIT AND CHALLENGE THAT OUR STATE HAS
09:45:20 IMPOSED ON US IS THE WHISKEY AND WHEATIES PROVISION IN
09:45:27 STATE LAW WHICH SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE LIQUOR SALES AND FOOD
09:45:29 SALES UNDER THE SAME ROOF.
09:45:31 THEY HAVE TO BE SEPARATELY WALLED.
09:45:32 THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE PUBLIX SELLING LIQUOR.
09:45:35 THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SEPARATE LIQUOR STORE NEXT DOOR.
09:45:38 THAT APPLIES TO DUCKWEED AS WELL.
09:45:40 IF THIS COULD ALL BE UNDER ONE ROOF, CERTAINLY THAT WOULD
09:45:43 BE PREFERABLE.
09:45:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH
09:45:46 A LOT OF SMALL MOTELS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE MOTELS ON
09:45:52 HILLSBOROUGH, FLORIDA AVENUE, AND NEBRASKA, NOW, WE HAVE
09:45:55 A SMALL PACKAGE STORE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE PUBLIX DOESN'T
09:45:59 HAVE A PACKAGE STORE AT THE ONE ON NEBRASKA.
09:46:01 SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT IS IT GOING TO BRING ON
09:46:05 A CRIME-TYPE ATMOSPHERE.
09:46:10 THAT HE WON'T CONCERN RIGHT NOW.
09:46:11 I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT DUCKWEED WANTS TO COME INTO THE
09:46:14 COMMUNITY BUT I WANT TO CLEAR MY MIND ON HOW THAT'S GOING
09:46:17 TO OPERATE OR HOW THIS WILL OPERATE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT
09:46:21 COMMUNITY AND I JUST KNOW ALCOHOL IN THAT COMMUNITY.
09:46:23 THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN.
09:46:24 I NEED YOU TO KIND OF GIVE ME SOME ASSURANCE ON HOW
09:46:27 DUCKWEED WILL HANDLE SOME THINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S MY MAJOR
09:46:30 CONCERN, NOTING TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT AND THE POTENTIAL IT
09:46:35 COULD GET TO A LEVEL THAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO GET AT.
09:46:40 >> I HEAR YOUR CONCERN AND I UNDERSTAND, I BELIEVE, WHERE
09:46:44 WE'RE HEADED HERE.
09:46:45 I WOULD SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
09:46:47 ONE, WE CAN'T LOOK AT THIS AS JUST TODAY.
09:46:49 WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS SEVERAL YEARS OUT.
09:46:51 DUCKWEED INTENDS TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY
09:46:54 YEARS TO COME.
09:46:55 IS THAT PARTICULAR CORRIDOR, AGAIN, COMMERCIALLY
09:46:58 INTENSIVE CORRIDOR, GOING TO REMAIN THE SAME TYPE OF
09:47:00 CHARACTER THAT IT IS TODAY?
09:47:02 I WILL SAY TO YOU DEFINITIVELY THE ANSWER IS NO.
09:47:05 AND THE REASON I KNOW THAT IS BECAUSE DUCKWEED WANTS TO
09:47:08 COME HERE.
09:47:09 THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT THE
09:47:14 CHANGE IN CHARACTER OF THIS CORRIDOR.
09:47:16 SECOND, I WOULD POINT YOU TO SECTION 14 PART 150.1.6 OF
09:47:25 OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC
09:47:29 BEVERAGES ON PREMISES WITHIN 500 FEET OF PROPERTY ZONED
09:47:33 FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION IS PROHIBITED AND PUNISHABLE
09:47:36 BY PRISON TIME.
09:47:38 I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR FINE
09:47:42 OFFICERS TO ENFORCE THE LAW.
09:47:44 AND DUCKWEED EXPECTS PEOPLE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
09:47:48 IT'S ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
09:47:49 THERE'S PROTECTION THERE.
09:47:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
09:47:54 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
09:47:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. MORA, IS THIS, IF GRANTED, AND
09:48:08 DUCKWEED DECIDES TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE LINE THAT IT
09:48:13 WANTS TO GO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA, DOES THIS
09:48:15 ALCOHOL SALES STAY WITH THE PROPERTY AND COULD, PERHAPS,
09:48:20 DUCKWEED TURN IT INTO A RESTAURANT, RESTAURANT BAR?
09:48:25 >>KRISTIN MORA: THE APPROVAL IS -- SO IT IS NOT -- IT
09:48:31 RUNS WITH THE LAND AND IT IS PERMANENT WITH THE LAND.
09:48:33 IT IS FOR PACKAGE SALES OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION ONLY, SO
09:48:41 THEY COULD ONLY SELL.
09:48:42 THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONSUME.
09:48:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. MORA.
09:48:47 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, PLANNING, DESIGN AND
09:48:50 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
09:48:51 THE USES ARE ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT AND
09:48:54 IT WAS FOR OFFICE RETAIL AND THEN THE RESIDENTIAL LIVING.
09:48:56 SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ADD SOMETHING LIKE A RESTAURANT,
09:48:58 THEY WOULD HAVE IT GO THROUGH A CHANGE OF USE AND GOING
09:49:01 THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESS AS WELL JUST FOR COUNCIL'S
09:49:04 KNOWLEDGE.
09:49:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
09:49:06 THANK YOU.
09:49:06 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY, FOR
09:49:09 MR. SINGER.
09:49:10 DUCKWEED, I'VE BEEN THERE ONE TIME.
09:49:13 THE ONE AT THE ELEMENT, CORRECT?
09:49:14 >> YES, SIR.
09:49:15 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:49:15 HOW MUCH OF THEIR SALES OR THE ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE THERE
09:49:19 ARE ALCOHOL?
09:49:20 IS IT MAJORITY ALCOHOL, MINORITY?
09:49:23 >> NO.
09:49:24 IT IS A SIGNIFICANT MINORITY.
09:49:25 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
09:49:27 >> YEAH.
09:49:27 THIS IS MORE GROCERY STORE THAT HAS AN ALCOHOLIC
09:49:30 COMPONENT.
09:49:30 >>LUIS VIERA: DUCKWEED, MY IMPRESSION WHEN I WAS THERE,
09:49:33 IT'S A FINE STORE BUT MORE LIKE A PLACE THAT YOU CAN GET,
09:49:36 I DON'T KNOW, VEGAN, ORGANIC GRANOLA GRASS SHAKE.
09:49:39 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
09:49:40 GOOD HEALTHY SAFE.
09:49:42 >> THAT SOUNDS INTERESTING.
09:49:44 >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S HEALTHY OR SO IT APPEARED TO ME.
09:49:48 >> IT'S MORE OF A BODEGA YOU WOULD SEE LIKE CHICAGO,
09:49:52 BOSTON, NEW YORK.
09:49:53 >>LUIS VIERA: HIPSTER BODEGA.
09:49:55 >> FREE-RANGE BAR.
09:49:56 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
09:49:57 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL?
09:49:59 ANYONE HERE, ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE PETITIONER?
09:50:02 NOTHING FURTHER, SIR.
09:50:03 >> WE WOULD RESERVE ANY TIME LEFT FOR REBUTTAL.
09:50:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:50:07 IS ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 5,
09:50:10 PLEASE COME FORWARD.
09:50:11 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:50:11 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, EACH PERSON.
09:50:14 JUST SO WE HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO
09:50:17 COME HERE AND SPEAK, WHO ELSE IS PLANNING ON SPEAKING?
09:50:21 PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SO.
09:50:25 OKAY, JUST ONE OTHER PERSON.
09:50:26 FEEL FREE, PLEASE, GO AHEAD.
09:50:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU.
09:50:30 MR. CURRY HAS PROVIDED ME WITH A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM THAT
09:50:33 HAS THREE NAMES ON IT.
09:50:35 WOULD YOU PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE HERE?
09:50:37 KEN HACEK.
09:50:38 THANK YOU.
09:50:39 JOHN BUTLER.
09:50:40 DEANNA PORTER.
09:50:42 THANK YOU.
09:50:43 THREE ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR A TOTAL OF SIX, PLEASE.
09:50:50 >>LUIS VIERA: GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:50:52 >> MY NAME IS BRIAN CURRY.
09:50:55 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
09:50:56 PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
09:50:58 I'VE HAD A MEDICAL ISSUE FOR A YEAR. AND MY VOICE IS NOT
09:51:02 VERY STRONG.
09:51:03 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HEAR YOU WELL, SIR.
09:51:05 >> THANK YOU.
09:51:05 I ALSO WANT TO PUT OUT A DISCLAIMER THAT I AM ON THE
09:51:10 BOARD OF SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
09:51:11 I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZE.
09:51:13 I AM NOT HERE SPEAKING FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.
09:51:16 I AM SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE RIGHT IN
09:51:18 THE VICINITY OF DUCK -- WHERE THE DUCKWEED WILL BE AND
09:51:22 WHERE THE LIQUOR STORE WOULD BE.
09:51:24 LET ME BE VERY CLEAR, I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THE
09:51:27 ASSOCIATION.
09:51:27 MY POINT HERE TONIGHT IS TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS.
09:51:31 ONE WAS THAT, AND THE SECOND THING IS TO POINT OUT SOME
09:51:33 OF THE ISSUES THAT MY NEIGHBORS MOSTLY ABOUT 20 HOMES,
09:51:37 WITHIN THE VICINITY AND SOME IN THE DEEPER INTO THE
09:51:40 NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE WITH THIS LIQUOR STORE.
09:51:43 UNDERSTAND, WE ARE NOT -- I REPEAT, NOT OPPOSED TO
09:51:46 DUCKWEED.
09:51:47 I SHOP AT DUCKWEED.
09:51:48 I LIKE DUCKWEED.
09:51:50 DUCKWEED WILL BE A GOOD THING.
09:51:52 WHAT WE ARE OPPOSED TO IS A LIQUOR STORE.
09:51:54 I'M GOING TO TRY TO CLARIFY TO YOU SOME OF THE REASONS
09:51:56 WHY WE DON'T WANT THAT.
09:51:59 SOME PEOPLE ON Facebook -- AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
09:52:01 THAT SUPPORT THIS WHOLE THING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S
09:52:04 DUCKWEED AND IT'S POPULAR AND IT'S GOOD.
09:52:07 BUT THEY COMPARE IT TO THE DUCKWEED THAT'S IN
09:52:10 CHANNELSIDE.
09:52:10 WE CLAIM THAT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION WHERE
09:52:13 WE LIVE ON THAT CORNER WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS
09:52:17 SAYING.
09:52:18 WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION THERE.
09:52:20 DIFFERENT KIND OF DEMOGRAPHICS.
09:52:22 CRIME IS AN ISSUE WHERE WE LIVE.
09:52:23 I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS BUILDING AND BEHIND THAT
09:52:26 PARKING GARAGE, SO I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
09:52:28 I LIVE ON WEST GIDDENS, 108 WEST GIDDENS.
09:52:31 I WOULD SAY THAT -- POSTULATE THAT THE LIQUOR STORE AND
09:52:37 DUCKWEED DOWNTOWN, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TO IT. THEY
09:52:39 STILL SELL MINIATURES.
09:52:41 THAT'S WHERE LIQUOR STORES MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
09:52:43 SMALL BOTTLES, THEY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT.
09:52:45 A LOT OF INCREASE IN PRICE.
09:52:46 SO, YOU KNOW, A LIQUOR STORE, PEOPLE SAY IT WILL BE A
09:52:48 HIGH-END LIQUOR STORE.
09:52:50 TO US, A LIQUOR STORE IS A LIQUOR STORE, IS A LIQUOR
09:52:53 STORE.
09:52:53 IF I'M SELLING POPSICLES AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS
09:52:56 A POPSICLE, I'LL SELL THEM A POPSICLE ESPECIALLY ONE
09:53:00 LOCATED WITH ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE ON
09:53:02 THAT CORNER.
09:53:03 MENTION THE HOTEL AROUND THERE.
09:53:09 WE LIVE ON GIDDENS.
09:53:13 THE LIQUOR STORE WILL BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE CIRCLE
09:53:16 K AT HILLSBOROUGH AND IN ORDER AVENUE.
09:53:18 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THAT CIRCLE K, BUT IT IS
09:53:21 SOMEWHAT SCARY.
09:53:21 PEOPLE FROM THE DUTCH MOTEL FREQUENT IT.
09:53:25 THEY FREQUENT OUR STREET.
09:53:26 WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING UNDER THE BRIDGE DOWN AT
09:53:29 HILLSBOROUGH, THE BRIDGE AT THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AT THE
09:53:31 END OF GIDDENS.
09:53:32 THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVERSE OUR STREET TYPICALLY TEND TO BE
09:53:38 NOT OUR NEIGHBORS, ALTHOUGH THEY DO AND THEY WALK THEIR
09:53:40 DOGS AND THAT'S GREAT.
09:53:42 BUT WE ALSO HAVE A MIX OF VAGRANCY, TRANSIENTS, HOMELESS,
09:53:44 AND DUTCH MOTEL PEOPLE.
09:53:47 SO, AGAIN, THE LIQUOR STORE THERE, BEHIND THE CIRCLE K IS
09:53:52 AN ISSUE.
09:53:53 IT'S A HOT SPOT FOR -- THE COPS ARE THERE ALL THE TIME.
09:53:59 THEY COME ON OUR STREET SO WE DO HAVE THAT ELEMENT.
09:54:02 TRASH, THINGS LIKE THAT, THIS IS A PICTURE DIRECTLY
09:54:06 ACROSS FROM THE CORNER WHERE THE LIQUOR STORE IS GOING TO
09:54:08 BE.
09:54:09 THAT IS A PHOTO TAKEN A FEW DAYS AGO.
09:54:13 THIS IS WHAT WE LIVE WITH ALL THE TIME.
09:54:15 THE HART BUS LINE IS RIGHT HERE.
09:54:19 TALK TO CIRCLE K, I PERSONALLY HAVE TALKED TO THE
09:54:22 REGIONAL MANAGERS, THEY DO NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
09:54:26 TALKED TO HART.
09:54:27 THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
09:54:28 THE TRASH IS THERE ALL THE TIME AND THAT TRASH ENDS UP ON
09:54:31 OUR STREETS, INCLUDING TIRES.
09:54:32 PEOPLE USE THIS AS A DUMPING SPOT.
09:54:35 TRAFFIC, VEHICLE TRAFFIC ON OUR STREET, LET ME GIVE YOU A
09:54:43 PHOTO OF WHAT GIDDENS LOOKS LIKE.
09:54:45 I SAW A BUNCH OF NICE PHOTOS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
09:54:49 BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SAW THESE KINDS OF PHOTOS.
09:54:52 THIS IS WHAT THE GIDDENS LOOKS LIKE GOING TOWARDS FLORIDA
09:54:55 AVENUE.
09:54:56 THE DEVELOPERS PUT IN A SMALL SIDEWALK HERE.
09:54:59 IT IS OCCUPIED EVERY NIGHT BY A NUMBER OF CARS, AND WE'RE
09:55:02 NOT SURE WHY, BUT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE
09:55:05 GRAPPLING.
09:55:05 THE ONLY PEOPLE ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE GARAGE ARE THE
09:55:08 PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
09:55:09 WE HAVE CONFIRMED THIS BY SPEAKING TO RESIDENTS THAT LIVE
09:55:12 THERE, AND THEIR FRIENDS COME TO VISIT THEM.
09:55:14 THEY'RE PARKING ON OUR YARDS.
09:55:16 THEY ARE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE IT
09:55:20 IS ILLEGAL TO PARK.
09:55:21 I HAD NO PARKING SIGNS PUT UP THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
09:55:24 GIDDENS YEARS AGO, AND THEY STILL DON'T -- IT DOESN'T
09:55:27 MATTER.
09:55:28 YOU SAY SOMETHING TO THEM NOW, OUT IN A MINUTE AND THEY
09:55:30 GO IN.
09:55:31 CARS ARE THERE THE NEXT DAY.
09:55:32 SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE.
09:55:34 WE HAVE CARS PARKING OUT HERE.
09:55:35 THEY MUST BE VISITING PEOPLE.
09:55:37 SOME OF THE CARS STAY THERE ACTUALLY FOR UP TO 48 HOURS
09:55:39 OR MORE OVER THE WEEKEND AND NEVER MOVE.
09:55:42 IT'S AN ISSUE.
09:55:43 WE HAVE A BIG-TIME ISSUE ON GIDDENS AVENUE.
09:55:45 WE THINK IT WILL ONLY BE EXACERBATED WITH THE OPENING OF
09:55:51 DUCKWEED, AND WE KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF
09:55:54 DUCKWEED.
09:55:55 BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION,
09:55:58 BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING DOWN GIDDENS.
09:55:59 IF THE RED STAR HAS SOMETHING GOING ON, THEY PARK ALL THE
09:56:02 WAY DOWN ACROSS HIGHLANDS DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER ON BOTH
09:56:05 SIDES OF THE STREET.
09:56:06 IT'S NOT JUST OUR AREA OF GIDDENS.
09:56:08 SO SOME REAL ISSUES GOING ON THERE WITH THAT.
09:56:11 GIDDENS IS NOT EVEN CLASSIFIED AS A STREET, I FOUND OUT
09:56:14 YEARS AGO, ACCORDING TO THE CITY.
09:56:16 IT IS A SINGLE-LANE PATHWAY.
09:56:18 THERE'S NO ROOM, AS YOU CAN SEE, FROM THE PICTURES HERE
09:56:21 FOR TWO VEHICLES TO PASS EACH OTHER.
09:56:25 WITHOUT TROUBLE.
09:56:26 I TALKED TO TPD.
09:56:28 I HAVE TALKED TO TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
09:56:30 THEY BOTH RECOMMENDED THAT WE SPEAK WITH YOU ALL.
09:56:34 TAMPA FIRE RESCUE SAYS THAT -- I MEAN, TPD SAYS THERE'S
09:56:37 OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE HERE.
09:56:38 WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
09:56:40 THE TOWING THING AND WHY PEOPLE CAN'T PARK INSIDE.
09:56:42 I ASSUME EVENTUALLY THEY WILL BE.
09:56:44 BUT THE RESIDENTS SAY THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SPACE FOR
09:56:47 VISITORS IN THAT PARKING GARAGE.
09:56:48 THERE'S BEEN A RUMOR THAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO CHARGE
09:56:50 PEOPLE TO PARK THERE.
09:56:52 SO, THEREFORE, THEY ARE NOT DOING THAT.
09:56:53 THEY ARE STAYING OUTSIDE.
09:56:55 WE HAVE CRACK PEOPLE, CRACK SMOKING GOING ON IN AN ALLEY
09:57:00 WHERE HE SHOWED YOU THOSE TREES NEXT TO MY HOUSE DURING
09:57:03 THE DAY, PEOPLE BACK THERE SMOKING.
09:57:05 [BEEP]
09:57:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:57:07 >> I HAVE GIVEN YOU --
09:57:09 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:57:11 >> I SENT TO YOU ALL TODAY MY TALKING POINTS AND YOU
09:57:14 SHOULD HAVE THAT.
09:57:15 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:57:16 HAVE A GOOD ONE.
09:57:17 NEXT, PLEASE.
09:57:25 >> DITTO.
09:57:26 I'M OUT OF HERE.
09:57:27 NO.
09:57:27 MY NAME IS JEFF MANZUTTE.
09:57:30 411 WEST VIOLET STREET.
09:57:32 THE REASON I'M HERE, I DON'T REALLY COME BEFORE CITY
09:57:35 COUNCIL.
09:57:37 I'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
09:57:38 I MOVED TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IN 1996.
09:57:41 THIS COMMUNITY HAS REALLY CHANGED AND I THINK FOR THE
09:57:44 BETTER.
09:57:45 I FEEL LATELY THAT WE ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF AS A
09:57:48 COMMUNITY.
09:57:48 WE'VE HAD TO FIGHT OFF SOME THINGS GOING IN OUR PARK.
09:57:53 THE ROWING TEAM, DOG PARK, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN DUCKWEED
09:57:58 IS GOING IN.
09:57:58 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DUCKWEED.
09:58:00 WENT THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME.
09:58:02 NEVER SHOPPED THERE.
09:58:03 I THINK IT'S A GREAT ADDITION.
09:58:04 THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT AN ALCOHOL, ALCOHOL IN
09:58:09 THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THAT IS A
09:58:12 TRIFECTA THERE.
09:58:13 I CALL IT "CIRCLE NOT OKAY."
09:58:16 BECAUSE EVERY TIME I GO THERE I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO GO
09:58:19 HOME AND TAKE A BATH.
09:58:20 HATE GOING IN THE CIRCLE K.
09:58:22 YOU HAVE DUTCH HOTEL, ANOTHER SLEAZY HOTEL DOWN THE
09:58:24 STREET AND NOW YOU'LL PUT A PACKAGE STORE THERE.
09:58:27 THEY SAY IT'S TO BE UPSCALE.
09:58:29 I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A Facebook PAGE
09:58:31 FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE TO KNOW, HEY, IT'S AN UPSCALE PLACE,
09:58:35 DON'T GO THERE.
09:58:36 THEY ARE GOING TO GRAVITATE THERE.
09:58:38 I'VE SEEN IT.
09:58:39 I'M JUST TELLING YA.
09:58:40 I KNOW WHAT'S IT LIKE.
09:58:43 I HAVE GONE TO THE ARTILLERY UP THE STREET ON BIRD.
09:58:46 THERE IS A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THERE.
09:58:49 GO ONLINE AND LOOK WHEN THEY BRING A LIQUOR STORE INTO A
09:58:53 NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DOESN'T BRING THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP.
09:58:56 UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES IT BRINGS THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN,
09:58:58 ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE IN, FLORIDA AND
09:59:03 HILLSBOROUGH.
09:59:04 HEARD THE PETITIONER SAY SOMEONE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL
09:59:07 AFTER THEY GO GROCERY SHOPPING FOR LIQUOR STORE.
09:59:10 I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, PUBLIX IS DOING REALLY WELL
09:59:13 ON NEBRASKA.
09:59:14 THERE ISN'T A PACKAGE STORE NEXT TO PUBLIX.
09:59:16 ALWAYS BUSY, SOMETIMES HARD TO GET IN THERE.
09:59:19 I LOVE SHOPPING THERE.
09:59:20 GREAT STORE RIGHT UP THE STREET.
09:59:22 NOT FAR, AND THERE'S TONS OF LIQUOR STORES AROUND, TOO.
09:59:25 IT'S NOT THAT FAR TO GO TO ALPINE OR YOU CAN GO WHEREVER
09:59:28 YOU NEED TO GO.
09:59:29 I DON'T KNOW.
09:59:29 I DON'T DRINK, BUT AFTER TONIGHT WAITING SO LONG, I MIGHT
09:59:33 NEED A DRINK.
09:59:35 BUT I'M ASKING YOU, IS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IS REALLY
09:59:40 GROWING.
09:59:40 I FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW WITH DUCKWEED GOING IN AND ADDING
09:59:43 THE LIQUOR STORE THAT WE'RE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF.
09:59:46 I'M HERE TONIGHT TO IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE DENY THE
09:59:49 ALCOHOL VERSION OF IT THAT THE GROCERY STORE IS FINE.
09:59:52 I THINK IT'S A NICE ADDITION, BUT WE DO NOT NEED A
09:59:55 PACKAGE LIQUOR STORE IN THAT AREA.
09:59:57 IF YOU GO THERE AT NIGHT, GO AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, GO
09:59:59 INTO A CIRCLE K AT NIGHT AND SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
10:00:02 AND YOU'LL KNOW WHY ALCOHOL SHOULD NOT BE IN THAT
10:00:05 LOCATION.
10:00:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
10:00:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:00:09 WE APPRECIATE YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR.
10:00:10 >> IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR UPGRADE WINDOWS AND DOORS, I
10:00:13 SELL THEM AT WESTSHORE HOMES.
10:00:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YOU'RE A FUNNY GUY.
10:00:24 >> DAVID SINGER, FOR THE APPLICANT.
10:00:26 IF CRIME IS A CONCERN, IF CRIME IS ON YOUR MIND, IT WAS
10:00:32 CERTAINLY EXPRESSED BY SOME OF THE MEMBERS WHO SPOKE FROM
10:00:34 THE PUBLIC.
10:00:35 I WOULD POINT YOU TO THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
10:00:38 TPD HAS LOOKED AT THIS.
10:00:39 THEY HAVE NO ISSUES.
10:00:40 IF TPD HAD ISSUES, THEY WOULD HAVE EXPRESSED THEM IN THE
10:00:44 STAFF REPORT.
10:00:45 THERE ARE NONE.
10:00:47 LITTER WAS A CONCERN.
10:00:49 THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING OF THIS.
10:00:52 NOTHING TO DO WITH GRANTING AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE LICENSE.
10:00:56 PARKING.
10:00:56 PARKING WAS ADDRESSED AS A CONCERN.
10:00:58 THE CUSTOMERS OF DUCKWEED ARE ABLE TO PARK IN THE GARAGE.
10:01:03 AGAIN, YOU HEARD MR. MANASSE SAY THERE'S NO PARKING
10:01:06 WAIVER REQUESTED HERE.
10:01:07 IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME SHOP HERE, THEY CAN PULL
10:01:09 RIGHT INTO THE GARAGE, AND THEY CAN PARK.
10:01:13 THE LAST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS, AND I WENT BACK AND
10:01:17 FORTH, WHETHER I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS OR NOT, I
10:01:21 FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO GET IT INTO THE RECORD BECAUSE IT'S
10:01:24 BEEN BROUGHT UP.
10:01:26 I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOMELESSNESS.
10:01:28 I WILL BE BRIEF.
10:01:30 THE FEAR AND THE STEREOTYPES AROUND HOMELESSNESS AND
10:01:35 ALCOHOLISM HAS NO PLACE IN THE CONSIDERATION BY THIS
10:01:40 COUNCIL OF THIS APPLICATION.
10:01:41 IT IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THE CODE.
10:01:44 IT IS OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF YOUR JURISDICTION TONIGHT.
10:01:48 AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS DIFFICULT TO KEEP COMPOSED
10:01:59 WHEN THERE ARE THE PURVEYANCE OF MYTHS AND STEREOTYPES
10:02:05 SURROUNDING THIS ISSUE.
10:02:07 FROM THE NATIONAL LAW CENTER ON HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY,
10:02:10 THE TOP FOUR CONTRIBUTORS TO HOMELESSNESS IN AMERICA, THE
10:02:14 LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UNEMPLOYMENT, POVERTY, LOW
10:02:19 WAGES, THE FIFTH ONE UP THERE THAT SHOULD BE UP THERE IS
10:02:22 LACK OF MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES.
10:02:26 ALCOHOL IS NOT ON THAT LIST, AND IT'S NOT ON THAT LIST
10:02:30 FOR A REASON.
10:02:30 BECAUSE IT'S A MYTH AND IT'S A STRIPE AND YOU SHOULDN'T
10:02:35 CONSIDER IT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
10:02:37 APPLICATION.
10:02:38 THE TAMPA/HILLSBOROUGH HOMELESS INITIATIVE LISTS ON THEIR
10:02:42 WEBSITE, THEY HAVE A WHOLE SECTION ON MYTHS ABOUT
10:02:45 HOMELESSNESS.
10:02:46 ONE IS, MOST HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE ADDICTED TO DRUGS AND
10:02:48 ALCOHOL.
10:02:49 IT IS OUTSIDE THE BALANCE TO CONSIDER ALCOHOLISM AND
10:02:55 HOMELESSNESS WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING AN ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
10:02:59 APPLICATION FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
10:03:01 IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:03:05 IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE URBAN VILLAGE DESIGNATION IN
10:03:08 THE ZONING CODE.
10:03:09 COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO
10:03:12 YOU THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE
10:03:16 ZONING CODE.
10:03:17 COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO
10:03:20 YOU THAT THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.
10:03:22 THE APPLICANT HAS MET ITS BURDEN AND NOTHING THAT IS
10:03:25 PRESENTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT
10:03:28 OR SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.
10:03:32 I APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING ON MY SOAPBOX ABOUT THE
10:03:35 HOMELESSNESS ISSUE, BUT IT IS A PERSONAL POINT OF
10:03:38 CONTENTION, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS
10:03:40 APPLICATION AS A WHOLE.
10:03:42 EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSS TONIGHT, STAFF'S
10:03:44 RECOMMENDATION, THE FACT THE ONLY WAIVER THAT IS BEING
10:03:47 REQUESTED IS A DISTANCE WAIVER FOR 85 FEET TO A SMALL
10:03:51 BAR.
10:03:52 MR. CITRO'S POINT I BELIEVE IS A GOOD ONE THAT SHOULD
10:03:55 DUCKWEED EXIT AFTER A NUMBER OF YEARS OF OPERATION, WHAT
10:04:00 WE'RE LEFT HERE IS THE ABILITY FOR 555 SQUARE FEET FOR
10:04:03 PACKAGE SALES.
10:04:04 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:04:06 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:04:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SINGER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
10:04:12 THEY ARE WELL TAKEN, BUT SOMETIMES I TELL PEOPLE,
10:04:15 EXPERIENCES ARE THE BEST TEACHERS, AND I CAN DRIVE DOWN
10:04:21 LAKE AVENUE AND GO TO 23rd STREET, AND I CAN SEE PEOPLE
10:04:25 HANGING OUT AT A PACKAGE STORE.
10:04:28 I CAN GO TO 29th AND LAKE, AND I PATROL THAT ZONE, ZONE
10:04:37 FIVE.
10:04:37 AND WHEN I WOULD GET TO WORK AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING,
10:04:42 EVERYBODY WOULD BE HANGING OUT IN FRONT OF THE PACKAGE
10:04:44 STORE.
10:04:45 OR I COULD GO ZONE TWO, MY FINAL DAYS AS A POLICE
10:04:48 OFFICER, AND I CAN LOOK AT THE CIRCLE K, DUTCH MOTEL, AND
10:04:54 I SAW THE TPD REPORT, I WAS REALLY STUNNED TO SEE ZERO
10:05:03 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR THAT LOCATION.
10:05:04 WELL, THAT'S A NEW LOCATION THAT BUILDING.
10:05:07 SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY CALLS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU AS A
10:05:10 PERSON WHO'S WORKED THAT AREA FOR LIKE TWO YEARS --
10:05:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING, MR. GUDES,
10:05:22 I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU AND REMIND THE REST OF COUNCIL
10:05:25 THAT YOUR DECISION HAS TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT
10:05:29 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD AND NOT FROM PERSONAL
10:05:33 EXPERIENCE AND TO PLEASE NOT TESTIFY TO FACTS THAT YOU
10:05:35 ARE AWARE OF INDEPENDENTLY.
10:05:39 YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY TONIGHT. YOU HEARD THE PETITIONER
10:05:43 MAKE HIS CASE.
10:05:44 YOU HEARD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
10:05:45 I WOULD ASK, INSTEAD, THAT WHAT YOU DO IS YOU TAKE THE
10:05:50 STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 3, THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF SECTION
10:05:53 27-129, AND APPLY THE EVIDENCE YOU HEARD, WEIGH THE
10:06:02 EVIDENCE, THE VERACITY OF THE EVIDENCE, AND GIVE IT
10:06:04 WHATEVER WEIGHT YOU WISH AND MAKE WHATEVER FINDINGS OF
10:06:07 FACT YOU WISH TO DO, APPLY TO CHAPTER 27-129, THOSE
10:06:10 STANDARDS, AND THEN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON THAT
10:06:12 BASIS.
10:06:13 MY APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTING.
10:06:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
10:06:19 WE'LL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
10:06:21 I GOT CONCERNED WHEN I SAW THE TPD CRIMINAL INTELLIGENCE
10:06:25 BUREAU REPORT.
10:06:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT YOU DID IN THAT CASE, SIR, RATHER
10:06:29 THAN TESTIFY, YOU MADE AN OBSERVATION BASED ON FACT
10:06:33 BROUGHT FORTH IN TERMS OF THE LENGTH OF THE EXISTENCE OF
10:06:35 THE BUSINESS.
10:06:36 IN THAT SENSE, YOU APPLIED THE FACTS TO AN OBSERVATION,
10:06:41 AND THAT'S RELEVANT.
10:06:43 >>BILL CARLSON: QUESTION FOR LEGAL.
10:06:47 SORRY IF THIS IS ANOTHER NEWBIE QUESTION.
10:06:51 MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING ISSUES --
10:06:56 WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING ISSUES, WE LOOK AT IS IT
10:06:59 CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
10:07:01 THIS ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE AN UPGRADE NOT TO THE
10:07:04 NEIGHBORHOOD BUT TO THE -- SOME OF THE BUSINESSES.
10:07:08 SOME OF THE EVIDENCE THE NEIGHBORS GAVE WAS ABOUT -- I
10:07:11 WON'T NAME THEM, BUT OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT SOUND LIKE
10:07:14 ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND HAVE CODE ISSUES, WHICH
10:07:17 MAYBE WE SHOULD TRY TO ADDRESS SEPARATELY TO TRY TO HELP
10:07:22 THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:07:24 SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE CHALLENGES AND ISSUES THEY ARE
10:07:26 FACING.
10:07:27 MY QUESTION TO YOU IS ARE WE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER CODE
10:07:31 VIOLATIONS BY OTHER NEARBY ESTABLISHMENTS AS COMPETENT,
10:07:36 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE?
10:07:38 >>KRISTIN MORA: NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE COMPETENT AND
10:07:41 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
10:07:41 YOU ARE CORRECT.
10:07:42 THE CORRECT AVENUE TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL CODE VIOLATIONS
10:07:45 WOULD BE THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THOSE PARTICULAR
10:07:49 VIOLATIONS.
10:07:51 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:07:52 ANYONE ELSE?
10:07:52 JUST FOR MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE ONLY WAIVER I SEE
10:07:58 HERE IS THE 85 FEET FOR ALCOHOL, I THINK THAT REGARDLESS
10:08:01 OF WHAT OUR -- SPEAK FOR MYSELF, REGARDLESS OF WHAT MY
10:08:05 PERSONAL SENTIMENTS MAY BE ON THE ISSUES INVOLVING
10:08:08 ALCOHOL, ET CETERA, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I AGREE WITH
10:08:11 MR. SINGER OR ANYBODY ELSE OR NOT ON THAT ISSUE, I DON'T
10:08:15 REALLY THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE RELEVANT TO
10:08:17 THE LEGAL ISSUES HERE.
10:08:18 I THINK THAT IF WE USE ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR
10:08:21 SCOPE, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE CITY FOR EXPOSURE, IF
10:08:25 YOU WILL, ON THIS ISSUE, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER OUR
10:08:28 PERSONAL SENTIMENTS MAY BE.
10:08:30 I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
10:08:32 I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE TOO FAR.
10:08:34 BUT I THINK OUR HANDS ARE TIED FROM CONSIDERING THINGS
10:08:36 THAT WE SHOULDN'T CONSIDER.
10:08:38 I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY WARY OF THAT.
10:08:43 JUST MY OPINION.
10:08:43 DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR?
10:08:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU, AND I AGREE WITH
10:08:48 MR. SHELBY IN REGARD TO, ESPECIALLY WITH RECENT CASE LAW
10:08:53 AND THAT SORT OF THING THAT WE SHOULDN'T -- WE NEED TO BE
10:08:57 CAREFUL ABOUT OUR OWN TESTIMONY.
10:09:01 BUT WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT WE CAN BE A LITTLE
10:09:11 CRITICAL IN REGARD TO THE CRIMINAL REPORT BECAUSE WE ALL
10:09:15 KNOW AS A MATTER OF FACT, JUDICIAL NOTICE, MR. CHAIRMAN,
10:09:20 THAT THAT'S A BRAND-NEW BUILDING AND THAT ADDRESS IS A
10:09:24 BRAND-NEW BUILDING.
10:09:25 I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
10:09:27 BUT IT'S A BRAND-NEW BUILDING, SO THE REPORT IS SORT OF
10:09:34 -- IT'S MOOT.
10:09:36 SO THEN I THINK WE CAN RELY ON THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
10:09:41 TESTIMONY OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE THE NEXT BEST SOURCE
10:09:45 OF INFORMATION AS RELATED TO CRIME IN THE AREA.
10:09:47 SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
10:09:50 >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL LET THE PETITIONER REBUT OUT OF
10:09:53 FAIRNESS AFTER WE'RE FINISHED.
10:09:55 ANYTHING FURTHER?
10:09:55 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:09:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MR. CHAIR.
10:10:00 I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS.
10:10:03 UNDER THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNSEL, I'M LOOKING AT
10:10:05 27-129.
10:10:08 AND THE FIVE CRITERIA THERE.
10:10:13 PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE IF LOCATED
10:10:15 WHERE PROPOSED AND DEVELOP AND OPERATED ACCORDING TO THE
10:10:20 PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
10:10:21 I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT ONE.
10:10:23 THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING
10:10:27 PROPERTIES OR THE USE IS PUBLIC NECESSITY.
10:10:31 I'M JUST LOOKING AT THESE THINGS.
10:10:33 I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
10:10:36 THANK YOU.
10:10:37 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
10:10:39 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:10:40 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUESTION FOR LEGAL, ALSO, AGAIN, A
10:10:45 NEWBIE QUESTION.
10:10:46 THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT LOOKING AT CODE ISSUES FOR
10:10:50 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
10:10:51 THERE IS NO, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, THERE'S NO LEGAL
10:10:54 RECORD FOR THIS ESTABLISHMENT, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER
10:10:58 LEGAL VIOLATIONS OR POLICE REPORTS FROM OTHER SURROUNDING
10:11:04 PROPERTIES, IS THAT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN
10:11:06 THIS CASE?
10:11:08 >>KRISTIN MORA: I WOULD NOT SAY THERE COULD NEVER BE A
10:11:14 CASE.
10:11:14 I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RELEVANCY WOULD BE IN THIS
10:11:18 PARTICULAR SITUATION THAT ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER HAS DONE
10:11:21 SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE CORRECT CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE NO
10:11:24 BEARING ON A PROPERTY OWNER COMING IN THAT HAS EVERY
10:11:27 INTENT TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
10:11:29 IN THESE PROCEEDINGS YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE PROPERTY
10:11:32 OWNER WILL COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
10:11:34 I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RELEVANCY WOULD BE TO TIE IT TO ONE
10:11:39 OF THE FACTORS IN 27-129 ON THIS SET OF FACTS.
10:11:43 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
10:11:44 I'LL GIVE THE APPLICANT A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO REBUT, IF
10:11:49 AT ALL.
10:11:54 >> I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH MORE TO SAY.
10:11:56 I THINK WE DEMONSTRATED A PRETTY CLEAR CASE THAT THIS IS
10:12:00 CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING CODE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE
10:12:02 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSISTENT WITH 129.
10:12:05 YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.
10:12:08 NOT IN FRONT OF THIS PARTICULAR GROUP, BUT IN FRONT OF
10:12:11 YOUR PREDECESSORS AND SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN ON THIS
10:12:14 COUNCIL, IT IS VERY, VERY RARE, VERY RARE, IF EVER, THAT
10:12:18 WE TALK ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS OF AN AREA WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
10:12:22 ZONING, AN AB ESTABLISHMENT.
10:12:25 THAT I WOULD CAUTION THIS COUNCIL AGAINST SAYING IT'S
10:12:30 APPROPRIATE PERHAPS IN ONE PART OF THE CITY AND NOT
10:12:33 APPROPRIATE IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY WHEN THE FUTURE
10:12:35 LAND USE IS IDENTICAL AND WHEN THE ZONING IS IDENTICAL.
10:12:39 WE'RE HERE IN THE URBAN VILLAGE.
10:12:42 THERE'S ONE WAIVER SEPARATING YOU FROM ALREADY EXISTING
10:12:45 AB USE.
10:12:47 YOU LOOK AT THAT CORRIDOR, THERE'S AB USES ALL UP AND
10:12:50 DOWN THAT CORRIDOR.
10:12:51 ARE YOU APPLYING THE SAME STANDARDS OF REVIEW TO THAT
10:12:53 THAT YOU APPLY TO THOSE?
10:12:55 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE, AND WE BELIEVE WE'VE
10:12:57 MET THAT BURDEN AND FAR EXCEEDED THAT BURDEN.
10:13:01 SO WE'D ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
10:13:04 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL?
10:13:05 [LOSS OF ENCODER]
10:13:10 [LOSS OF AUDIO ON ENCODER]
10:13:20 [LOSS OF AUDIO ON ENCODER]
10:13:34 >> OKAY.
10:13:37 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:13:38 I THINK COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING
10:13:43 THIS ONE?
10:13:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, I DO NOT.
10:13:46 I APOLOGIZE.
10:13:46 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M NOT THE POPE.
10:13:48 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:13:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE ON
10:13:51 ANYTHING, BUT I'LL TAKE --
10:14:00 ITEM NUMBER 5, FILE AB 2-19-19, AN ORDINANCE BEING
10:14:10 PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
10:14:12 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 FOR
10:14:17 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE PACKAGE SALES OFF
10:14:21 PREMISES CONSUMPTION ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
10:14:24 BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
10:14:26 LIQUOR AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
10:14:30 LOCATED AT 5244 OR 5246 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE, TAMPA,
10:14:36 FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2,
10:14:39 THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
10:14:41 ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:14:43 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
10:14:45 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:14:47 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:14:49 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:14:51 ANY OPPOSED.
10:14:52 ROLL CALL.
10:14:53 >> ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:14:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NAY.
10:14:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NAY.
10:15:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NAY.
10:15:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NAY.
10:15:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AYE.
10:15:09 >>BILL CARLSON: AYE.
10:15:09 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:15:13 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION FAILED WITH DINGFELDER, GUDES,
10:15:18 MANISCALCO, AND CITRO VOTING NO.
10:15:21 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
10:15:22 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK AT THIS TIME OF THE
10:15:25 HOUR.
10:15:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION THAT IS IN
10:15:27 ORDER?
10:15:28 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE
10:15:31 MOTION?
10:15:31 SOONER YOU MAKE IT, THE SOONER WE GET OUT.
10:16:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION FAILED, THEREFORE, THERE WAS
10:16:17 NO ACTION BY COUNCIL, OFFICIAL ACTION, BECAUSE THE MOTION
10:16:20 THAT WAS MADE DID NOT PASS.
10:16:23 SO ANOTHER MOTION WOULD BE IN ORDER IN ORDER TO
10:16:27 EFFECTUATE COUNCIL'S ACTION.
10:16:29 ANY OFFICIAL COUNCIL ACTION REQUIRES UNDER THE CHARTER
10:16:32 FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.
10:16:39 >> DO I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL?
10:16:42 >>LUIS VIERA: VERY BRIEFLY, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION
10:16:44 PROCEDURALLY --
10:16:45 >> I DO HAVE A PROCEDURE QUESTION.
10:16:47 >>LUIS VIERA: WAIT.
10:16:48 WE HAVE TO REOPEN.
10:16:49 >> MOVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
10:16:50 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:16:52 A SECOND BY --
10:16:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT A LAWYER.
10:16:57 I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING, THE CROWD LEFT.
10:17:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE,
10:17:05 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, DAVID, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
10:17:08 APPROPRIATE TO REOPEN.
10:17:09 PEOPLE DID LEAVE, AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS GOING FROM THAT
10:17:14 MOTION TO THE NEXT MOTION, WHICH IS OUR PURVIEW, NOT THE
10:17:19 PURVIEW OF THE AUDIENCE.
10:17:23 >> JEOPARDIZE THE RECORD.
10:17:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS PROBABLY THERE WILL
10:17:31 BE A REQUEST OR A SUGGESTION OR ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS OF
10:17:38 ATTORNEY.
10:17:39 SO THE QUESTION -- AND THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE CHOSE TO
10:17:43 LEAVE, FRANKLY, WE CAN'T CONTROL AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
10:17:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THE PETITIONER WAS LEAVING, TOO.
10:17:50 OUT OF COURTESY, I CALLED HIM IN SO HE COULD HEAR WHAT
10:17:53 THE MOTION IS.
10:17:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTAND, PROCEDURAL, IT'S
10:17:57 DIFFICULT.
10:17:57 THAT BEING THE CASE, AGAIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW WHETHER IT
10:18:00 WISHES TO REOPEN.
10:18:01 MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL CAN DENY THAT AS WELL.
10:18:05 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL TAKE THE CAUTIOUS ROUTE AND KEEP IT
10:18:07 CLOSED JUST BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE LEFT AND IN CASE IF THERE
10:18:10 WERE ANY SUBSTANTIVE REQUESTS MADE OR ANYTHING OF THAT
10:18:13 NATURE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE --
10:18:19 >> YOU NEVER VOTED.
10:18:20 YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION?
10:18:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
10:18:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE
10:18:28 PETITION.
10:18:29 LET ME GET ORGANIZED HERE.
10:18:31 I'LL MOVE TO DENY PETITION AB 2-19-0019 SPECIAL USE
10:18:39 REQUEST, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5244 --
10:18:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS THAT APPLICATON?
10:18:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AB 2-19-000019.
10:18:56 THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
10:19:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 5, AB 2-19-19 IS WHAT I HAVE ON
10:19:04 THE AGENDA.
10:19:07 >> BEFORE THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, WOULD IT BE PROPER
10:19:09 TO ASK FOR A BRIEF CONTINUANCE BEFORE MR. DINGFELDER
10:19:13 MAKES HIS MOTION SO WE MIGHT DISCUSS WITH THE
10:19:15 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE
10:19:17 HERE, PERHAPS A COMPROMISE POSITION?
10:19:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, COUNCIL, FRANKLY, THE TIME TO HAVE
10:19:25 REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE CLOSE
10:19:27 OF THE HEARING INITIALLY AS OPPOSED TO THIS STAGE OF THE
10:19:31 PROCESS OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
10:19:33 >> UNDERSTOOD.
10:19:34 PERHAPS IT MIGHT BE THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL OR YOUR
10:19:39 LEGAL MIGHT HAVE A SUGGESTION.
10:19:40 >>KRISTIN MORA: JUST BY WAY OF SUGGESTION, BECAUSE THE
10:19:43 NEIGHBORHOOD HAS LEFT AND THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE
10:19:48 AND PARTICIPATE, IF ANOTHER HEARING WAS TO BE SET, IT
10:19:52 WOULD NEED TO BE RENOTICED.
10:19:54 BUT RATHER THAN DENY AND POTENTIALLY GOING THROUGH
10:19:58 ANOTHER PROCEDURE, COUNCIL COULD ENTERTAIN A NOTICED
10:20:03 CONTINUANCE.
10:20:03 I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AS AN ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL
10:20:06 OPTION.
10:20:08 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:20:09 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A
10:20:14 NOTICE CONTINUANCE.
10:20:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE TO REOPEN, WOULD WE NOT?
10:20:21 >>LUIS VIERA: LET ME --
10:20:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME.
10:20:28 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS DOESN'T, BY REOPENING, DO WE IN ANY
10:20:31 WAY JEOPARDIZE THE RECORD, BUT BY THE NOTICE CONTINUANCE,
10:20:35 DOES THAT EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES?
10:20:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
10:20:39 >>KRISTIN MORA: MR. SHELBY, IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION.
10:20:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HERE'S MY CONCERN, COUNCIL.
10:20:48 MY CONCERN, FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND IT COULD BE THE LACK
10:20:51 OF CLARITY TO ALL PARTIES, THE FACT THAT THE MOTION
10:20:55 FAILED DID NOT ACTUALLY CAUSE THE ACTION TO BE COMPLETED.
10:21:00 IT REQUIRES AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION OF FOUR VOTES.
10:21:03 HAVING A NOTICED CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING HAS THE
10:21:09 POTENTIAL OF NOT SERVING THE PURPOSE THAT YOU WOULD THINK
10:21:13 IT WOULD HAVE BECAUSE IT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO QUESTIONS
10:21:16 AS TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AS TO WHY THIS IS BEING
10:21:20 RENOTICED AND CALLS THEM BACK FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
10:21:23 I THINK THERE IS A FEAR THAT I SEE OF CAUSING MORE
10:21:28 CONFUSION TO THE PROCESS BY HAVING A RENOTICE FOR A NEW
10:21:33 NOTICE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITHOUT REALLY THE
10:21:37 EXPLANATION.
10:21:40 AND IT CHANGES THE PROCEDURAL PROCESS AND POSTURE OF
10:21:44 WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.
10:21:45 THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
10:21:48 IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, I'M WILLING TO HEAR AND LET
10:21:51 COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION.
10:21:52 >>KRISTIN MORA: I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SAID,
10:21:55 MR. SHELBY.
10:21:56 MY SUGGESTION WOULD THAT BE -- WOULD BE THAT SINCE THE
10:22:00 MOTION FAILED, AT TIMES COUNCIL HAS WHEN FACED WITH A
10:22:03 MOTION AND ABILITY TO RESOLVE IT, IT SIMPLY AUTOMATICALLY
10:22:07 CONTINUES OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
10:22:08 IT'S NOT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
10:22:11 HOWEVER, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT AT THIS POINT YOU
10:22:14 WOULD SIMPLY REMOVE IT FROM YOUR AGENDA AND THE APPLICANT
10:22:17 WOULD THEN HAVE TO NOTICE AND THEY CAN PERHAPS CLARIFY
10:22:20 THE PURPOSE OF THE RENOTICE.
10:22:21 THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION.
10:22:22 I ALSO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND MR. SHELBY'S CONCERNS.
10:22:26 I THINK THOSE ARE BOTH POTENTIAL AVENUES THAT YOU COULD
10:22:30 USE.
10:22:31 LIKE I SAID, I SIMPLY SUPPLY IT AS A POTENTIAL SUGGESTION
10:22:34 TO TRY AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS CLEAR WHAT HAPPENED.
10:22:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY, IT FAILS TO GET
10:22:42 FOUR VOTES BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS, I THINK THIS SHOULD BE
10:22:45 CONTINUED, IT US THAT KICK IT TO THE NEXT ONE.
10:22:48 >>KRISTIN MORA: THAT WOULD UNDER YOUR RULES.
10:22:50 AM I WRONG, MR. SHELBY, ABOUT THAT?
10:22:53 IF THEY ARE UNABLE TO GET A VOTE WITH FOUR AFFIRMATIVE
10:22:57 VOTES, WOULD THAT AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT
10:23:00 HEARING UNDER THEIR RULES?
10:23:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, IF IT WERE -- WELL, YEAH, WHAT YOU
10:23:10 WOULD BE LEFT WITH ULTIMATELY IS YOU WOULD BE LEFT WITH
10:23:13 THINKING IT THROUGH, YOU HAD A MOTION TO AFFIRM.
10:23:17 THAT WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT FAILED TO GET FOUR VOTES.
10:23:21 IF YOU HAVE A MOTION TO DENY THAT WAS DENIED BECAUSE IT
10:23:26 FAILED TO GET FOUR VOTES, THEN THE ONLY RATIONAL MOTION
10:23:31 LEFT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WOULD BE A MOTION TO
10:23:33 CONTINUE.
10:23:35 SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE, THEN IT WOULD
10:23:38 COME BACK AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING -- NO, IT WOULDN'T
10:23:43 HAVE TO COME BACK.
10:23:44 IT WASN'T A TIE.
10:23:46 IT WOULD BE A MOTION THAT FAILED.
10:23:49 THEREFORE, THE ONLY MOTION LEFT ON THE TABLE WOULD BE FOR
10:23:53 SOMEBODY TO ANNOUNCE WHY THEY ARE CHANGING THEIR VOTE ON
10:23:55 THE BASIS OF COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND VOTE
10:23:59 THEREFORE AGAIN OR TO VOTE TO CONTINUE.
10:24:02 THIS IS MUCH MORE CONFUSING THAN ULTIMATELY IT SHOULD BE.
10:24:06 COUNCIL, WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS BASED ON WHAT MS. MORA
10:24:09 SAYS, I DO AGREE WITH HER ANALYSIS, AND I WOULD LET IT BE
10:24:17 COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON HOW COUNCIL WISHES TO PROCEED.
10:24:20 BASICALLY, WHATEVER COUNCIL WISHES TO DO IN THIS CASE, IF
10:24:26 IT WISHES TO CONTINUE, YOU HAVE TO REOPEN THE HEARING FOR
10:24:30 THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUING AND HAVING THE NOTICE TRAIN TO
10:24:36 BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK OR DO YOU -- WOULD YOU SAY YOU
10:24:40 REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA, WOULDN'T BE A REFILING OR
10:24:45 CONTINUE IT?
10:24:46 >>KRISTIN MORA: IF IT WAS SIMPLY REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA
10:24:47 AND THEN THERE WOULD BE NO ACTION BY COUNCIL, AND THEN IT
10:24:52 COULD BE RENOTICED FOR ANOTHER HEARING.
10:24:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION FOR
10:25:00 STAFF, EITHER MS. MORA OR ZONING STAFF, ONE OR THE OTHER.
10:25:05 I APPRECIATE MR. SINGER'S GESTURE ABOUT COMPROMISE IS
10:25:09 ALWAYS A GOOD THING AND FINDING A MIDDLE GROUND.
10:25:12 THAT'S GREAT.
10:25:13 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WITHOUT OPENING AND WITHOUT
10:25:16 ASKING MR. SINGER, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE, I'M
10:25:18 ASKING YOU TO, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE THERE -- IT'S NOT
10:25:24 LIKE -- YOU DON'T HAVE JUST BEER AND WINE ANYMORE, DO
10:25:28 YOU?
10:25:29 NO LIQUOR?
10:25:30 >> YOU CAN DO BEER AND WINE AS CONVENIENCE GOODS AS A
10:25:33 SPECIAL USE ONE IF YOU MEET ALL CODE.
10:25:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT COULD BE AN OPTION.
10:25:37 >>KRISTIN MORA: THESE ARE SITE PLAN CONTROLLED DISTRICTS
10:25:41 SO THERE IS THE ABILITY TO PLACE CONDITIONS.
10:25:44 THE SITE PLAN --
10:25:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ADDITIONAL SITE PLAN.
10:25:47 WITH THAT SAID, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A FEW OPTIONS
10:25:49 THAT MR. SINGER MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO PRESENT TO THE
10:25:53 NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:25:53 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH REOPENING SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSE OF
10:25:56 CONTINUING A NOTICED -- RENOTICED HEARING.
10:26:00 I APOLOGIZE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE INCONVENIENCE OF
10:26:04 THEM HAVING TO COME BACK.
10:26:08 THAT'S MY MOTION.
10:26:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO REOPEN.
10:26:11 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:26:13 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:26:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:26:16 ANY OPPOSED?
10:26:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE OF THE
10:26:19 PETITIONER'S ATTORNEY WHETHER HE HAS OBJECTION TO THE
10:26:22 PROCESS AND WHETHER IT'S HIS REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE.
10:26:27 >> DAVID SINGER FOR THE PETITIONER.
10:26:28 I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE PROCESS.
10:26:34 I CAN'T OPINE AS TO THE PROPERNESS OF THE COUNCIL'S
10:26:38 ACTION.
10:26:39 I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO YOU.
10:26:40 BUT I WILL SAY AS I STAND HERE, I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE
10:26:45 DISAPPOINTED IF THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE IS TO CONTINUE
10:26:49 FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPROMISING NEGOTIATION.
10:26:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY QUESTION TO YOU SPECIFICALLY, IS IT
10:26:54 YOUR REQUEST OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO SEEK A CONTINUANCE,
10:26:58 AND DO YOU THEN AGREE TO RENOTICE IT?
10:27:01 >> NOW THAT THE HEARING IS REOPENED, IT WOULD BE MY
10:27:04 REQUEST -- PETITIONER'S REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE AND WE
10:27:07 WOULD CERTAINLY UNDERTAKE THE BURDEN OF RENOTICE.
10:27:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAY I ASK A QUESTION.
10:27:15 MR. SINGER, TO ALL FAIRNESS TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW FAR ARE
10:27:19 YOU PLANNING ON NOTICING OUT? ARE YOU 30 DAYS?
10:27:24 60 DAYS?
10:27:25 90 DAYS?
10:27:27 WHAT DO YOU FEEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE GOING BACK TO THE
10:27:30 COMMUNITY AND SAYING, HERE ARE SOME THINGS WE MIGHT WANT
10:27:34 TO CHANGE.
10:27:35 WE WANT YOUR INPUT 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS, 90 DAYS.
10:27:38 >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
10:27:41 WE WILL BE WORKING WITH HIM BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE HIM
10:27:45 TIME IF HE IS ABLE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THE
10:27:48 NEIGHBORS, HE WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A NEW SITE PLAN IN
10:27:50 ENOUGH TIME BEFORE THE HEARING.
10:27:51 WE'RE LOOKING FOR A TIME FRAME OUTSIDE.
10:27:54 WE'LL FIGURE THAT OFF-LINE FROM CITY COUNCIL.
10:27:56 SINCE IT HAS TO BE NOTICED, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DETERMINE
10:27:59 THE DATE AT THIS POINT.
10:28:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SINGER, DIALOGUE SOLVES EVERYTHING.
10:28:04 >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION TO CONTINUE.
10:28:07 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE BY COUNCILMAN
10:28:09 CARLSON.
10:28:10 I BELIEVE SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO OR COUNCILMAN
10:28:13 GUDES.
10:28:13 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:28:14 ANY OPPOSED?
10:28:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAS CONDITIONED ON A NOTICE.
10:28:18 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, YES.
10:28:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTICED HEARING.
10:28:21 >>LUIS VIERA: UNDERSTOOD.
10:28:22 >>THE CLERK: JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:28:25 TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, IT IS TO CONTINUE TO A DATE TO BE
10:28:28 DETERMINED AND IT WILL BE NOTICED.
10:28:31 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:28:34 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:28:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:28:35 NOW WE GO TO UNFINISHED BUSINESS, MOTIONS, ET CETERA.
10:28:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTHING.
10:28:41 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
10:28:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAKE IT REAL QUICK.
10:28:44 MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE A COMMENDATION TO THE PRESIDENT OF
10:28:46 THE NORTHEAST COMMUNITY CIVIC ASSOCIATION, MR. BARBER.
10:28:51 >> SECOND.
10:28:52 >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT SIR?
10:28:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SEPTEMBER 19, 2019.
10:29:03 >>LUIS VIERA: WE ALREADY HAVE THREE COMMENDATIONS THAT
10:29:06 DAY.
10:29:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL MOVE IT TO THE NEXT.
10:29:10 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE THE CALENDAR?
10:29:12 TWO OF THOSE ARE MINE.
10:29:25 >>THE CLERK: OCTOBER 24th.
10:29:27 >>LUIS VIERA: OCTOBER IT 26 --
10:29:31 >> 24th.
10:29:32 >>THE CLERK: OCTOBER 24th IS THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
10:29:36 SESSION.
10:29:36 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:29:38 WHAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL DATE?
10:29:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SEPTEMBER 19.
10:29:43 >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN DO THE -- WAIT, WHAT WAS YOUR DATE,
10:29:47 MR. CREW?
10:29:48 >>THE CLERK: WORKSHOP SESSION FOR OCTOBER IS ON
10:29:50 OCTOBER 24th.
10:29:52 THAT'S WHEN THE COMMENDATIONS ARE SCHEDULED.
10:29:53 >>LUIS VIERA: IS THAT OKAY, SIR?
10:29:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE.
10:29:56 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR ANYTHING ELSE?
10:29:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO MAKE A COMMENDATION TO
10:30:00 MR. JOSEPH ROBINSON FOR THE WORK WITH THE SULPHUR SPRINGS
10:30:04 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND FOR THE MUSEUM AND SOCIAL
10:30:04 CENTER. OCTOBER 24.
10:30:11 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION.
10:30:13 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:30:15 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:30:16 ANY OPPOSED?
10:30:17 ANYTHING ELSE.
10:30:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S IT.
10:30:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WISH EVERYONE AN ENJOYABLE LABOR DAY
10:30:25 WEEKEND.
10:30:25 [ LAUGHTER ]
10:30:26 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:30:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BID EVERYONE THE SAME, BUT PLEASE, BE
10:30:31 CAREFUL.
10:30:32 MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED.
10:30:34 STORM IS ACOMING, AND EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE LABOR DAY.
10:30:38 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:30:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NONE.
10:30:42 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:30:43 MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
10:30:45 WE HAVE A MOTION, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:30:47 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:30:48 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, WHO IS THE SECOND ON
10:30:51 MR. GUDES' FIRST COMMENDATION MOTION?
10:30:54 DINGFELDER.
10:30:58 THANK YOU.
10:31:05 >>LUIS VIERA: WE ARE ADJOURNED.
10:31:06 I GOT TO PREPARE FOR A DEPO.
10:31:11 [MEETING ADJOURNED]
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