TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2019
5:01 P.M. BUDGET HEARING
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05:12:31 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
05:12:34 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
05:12:34 WE ARE CALLED TO ORDER.
05:12:37 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
05:12:38 >> AT LEAST TILL WE HAVE BETTER MUSIC.
05:13:08 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
05:13:08 NOW WE GOT RID OF THE AWKWARD 80s MUSIC.
05:13:12 WE CAN BEGIN.
05:13:13 OKAY.
05:13:14 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
05:13:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
05:13:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
05:13:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
05:13:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
05:13:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
05:13:23 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
05:13:24 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
05:13:25 WE ARE HERE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON
05:13:29 THE BUDGET.
05:13:30 MAY WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
05:13:33 I BELIEVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:13:35 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:13:36 ANY OPPOSED?
05:13:37 YES, SIR.
05:13:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, AND
05:13:39 CLARITY FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS THE MOTION TO OPEN THE
05:13:41 PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH THE OPERATING AND THE CAPITAL
05:13:45 BUDGETS.
05:13:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
05:13:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
05:13:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS BAD 80 MUSIC.
05:14:02 >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S A COOL SONG, THOUGH.
05:14:07 OKAY.
05:14:09 AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, IF YOU COULD PLEASE READ THE
05:14:12 FIRST PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT.
05:14:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:14:17 THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT.
05:14:19 THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING STATEMENT OF THE CITY OF
05:14:21 TAMPA FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020 BUDGET, THE PROPOSED MILLAGE
05:14:25 RATE, IS 6.2076 MILLS WHICH IS 6.7 MORE THAN THE ROLL
05:14:33 BACK MILLAGE OF 5.8181 MILLS. THE PROPERTY TAX FUNDS ARE
05:14:36 USED TO SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING BUDGET OF THE
05:14:39 CITY.
05:14:39 THIS FUND INCLUDES SUCH DEPARTMENTS AS FIRE, RESCUE,
05:14:42 POLICE, HUMAN RESOURCES, AND PARKS AND RECREATION.
05:14:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:14:48 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL AT THIS TIME
05:14:50 BEFORE WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
05:14:52 OKAY.
05:14:52 SEEING NONE, WE MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE
05:14:56 OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGETS.
05:14:58 IF ANYONE IS HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON THE BUDGET, YOU
05:15:00 HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND NOW IS YOUR TIME TO COME FORWARD.
05:15:05 OKAY.
05:15:06 THERE BEING NONE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
05:15:09 FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL?
05:15:14 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
05:15:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEEING MR. ROGERO IS HERE I GUESS ON
05:15:21 BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
05:15:31 MR. ROGERO.
05:15:33 DENNIS, YOU AND I WENT THROUGH SOME QUESTIONS THE OTHER
05:15:35 DAY AND THERE WERE STILL SOME OUTSTANDING ISSUES WAITING
05:15:39 TO HEAR BACK YOU FROM GUYS ON.
05:15:43 LET ME JUST RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS GENERALLY,
05:15:46 AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
05:15:52 I'M ON PAGE 6 OF THE BACK SECTION, WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE
05:15:57 BUDGET SUPPLEMENT.
05:16:04 IT APPEARS TO ME THAT TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER HAS REVENUE
05:16:09 IN EXCESS OF EXPENSES, MAYBE TO THE TUNE OF LIKE $3
05:16:14 MILLION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, GIVE OR TAKE?
05:16:17 >> I'M SORRY, WHAT PAGE IS THAT, SIR?
05:16:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M ON PAGE 6 OF THE BUDGET SUPPLEMENT
05:16:26 IN THE BACK OF MY BACK.
05:16:29 AND THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF TCC ITEMS, TEN OF THEM, MORE
05:16:37 THAN THAT PROBABLY.
05:16:38 BUT ANYWAY, FROM LOOKING AT THE TOTAL, IT APPEARS THAT
05:16:42 THE CONVENTION CENTER HAS REVENUE IN EXCESS OF EXPENSES,
05:16:45 AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, WE AS THE CRA -- AND I KNOW THE
05:16:53 CRA BUDGET IS SOMEWHERE HERE AS WELL -- HAVE BEEN ASKED
05:16:58 TO PAY THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE CONVENTION
05:17:02 CENTER.
05:17:05 I THINK THE CITY/CONVENTION CENTER/CRA BORROWED X AMOUNT
05:17:13 OF DOLLARS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WE ARE PAYING IT
05:17:15 BACK TO THE TUNE OF, WHAT, $5 MILLION A YEAR OR
05:17:18 SOMETHING.
05:17:18 AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THAT IS.
05:17:22 IF THE CONVENTION CENTER IS ONE OF OUR MONEY MAKERS, THEN
05:17:26 WHY IS IT A DRAIN ON THE CRA?
05:17:31 >> I CAN TELL YOU THIS BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION THE OTHER
05:17:33 DAY THAT THE CRAs MAKE A BANK NOTE PAYMENT OF 4.2
05:17:37 MILLION DOLLARS, PARTIALLY FROM THE CORE AND NON-CORE
05:17:41 FUNDS AND THE TOURISM AND DEVELOPMENT TAX. IN TERMS OF
05:17:44 LARGER PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION AS TO WHY YOU ARE
05:17:47 SUPPLEMENTING THE CONVENTION CENTER, I DON'T KNOW
05:17:50 OFFHAND.
05:17:51 DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND?
05:17:53 >> MIKE PERRY, BUDGET OFFICE, CITY'S BUDGET OFFICER.
05:18:00 WHILE THE 20 BUDGET AND MID REVENUE INCREASED FROM THE
05:18:04 CONVENTION CENTER, THE REVENUES ARE SOLELY RELIABLE
05:18:08 SUBJECT TO THE WHIMS OF THE MARKET, SO IT'S NOT A
05:18:11 RELIABLE REVENUE SOURCE THAT THE CRA REVENUES ARE BECAUSE
05:18:16 WE HAVEN'T DEDICATED THY CONTRIBUTIONS THE CITY IS
05:18:23 REQUIRED TO MAKE TO THE CRA.
05:18:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THE CRA DOESN'T GET -- I MEAN
05:18:26 NARCS POSITIVE YEAR LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE THIS IS A
05:18:29 POSITIVE YEAR THIS PAST YEAR FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER,
05:18:32 CORRECT?
05:18:32 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
05:18:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION.
05:18:36 >> YES, SIR.
05:18:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN A POSITIVE YEAR LIKE THAT, ARE THEY
05:18:38 PAYING THE CRA BACK?
05:18:41 >> NO, SIR, THEY ARE NOT.
05:18:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR EXCESS
05:18:43 REVENUES?
05:18:44 >> THEY GO INTO THE GENERAL REVENUE, THE GENERAL FUND TO
05:18:47 PAY FOR OTHER GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL SUPPORT, TPD, TFR,
05:18:51 PARKS AND REC, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
05:18:54 IT'S ALL PART OF THE GENERAL REVENUE STREAM.
05:18:57 AND DON'T FORGET, IT'S ONLY BEEN RECENT HISTORY THAT THE
05:19:01 CONVENTION CENTER HAS BEEN MAKING MONEY.
05:19:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN?
05:19:05 >> IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS, SIR.
05:19:08 PRIOR TO THAT THE GENERAL FUND HAD TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE
05:19:10 OPERATING SUPPORT ON THE CONVENTION CENTER.
05:19:12 SO OVER TIME IT WILL BALANCE ITSELF OUT.
05:19:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
05:19:18 THANK YOU.
05:19:18 ON PAGE 12 IN THE SAME ITEM, THIS IS UNDER EXPENSE
05:19:23 REPORT, I NOTICED WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $6 MILLION IN
05:19:32 THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET OF OVERTIME.
05:19:37 AND I WAS WONDERING IF ADMINISTRATION CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
05:19:41 IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER THE YEARS FROM 2017
05:19:45 UNTIL NOW, WITH A SLIGHT DECREASE THIS YEAR IN OVERTIME.
05:19:51 ARE WE UNDERSTAFFED AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO PAY
05:19:56 OVERTIME OR WHAT?
05:19:58 >> WE HAVE BEEN MAKING AN ATTEMPT -- AND I THINK WE WERE
05:20:01 SUCCESSFUL THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND I THINK THE PROJECTIONS,
05:20:05 IF I CAN BRING UP THE LINE ITEM HERE.
05:20:10 YOU WILL RECALL OR YOU WILL SEE IN FISCAL YEAR 17 THE
05:20:12 ACTUAL AMOUNT OF OVERTIME WAS NEARLY $7 MILLION.
05:20:15 WE HAVE REDUCED THAT, I'D SAY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY TO A
05:20:19 PROJECTED OVERTIME THIS YEAR OF JUST OVER $6.3 MILLION TO
05:20:24 ABOUT $700,000.
05:20:26 AS YOU LOOK NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE -- WE ANTICIPATE WE ARE
05:20:31 GOING TO CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME TO
05:20:34 5.7, ALMOST $5.8 MILLION.
05:20:37 THAT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
05:20:38 FIRST OF ALL, MANAGEMENT PAYING CLOSER ATTENTION TO THE
05:20:41 OVERTIME EXPENDITURES, WHICH I THINK WILL CARRY FORWARD
05:20:44 FROM THE CURRENT YEAR INTO NEXT YEAR, AND YOU MAY RECALL
05:20:47 WE HAVE INCREASED THE EXTRA DUTY RATE ASSOCIATED WITH
05:20:50 POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SPECIAL EVENTS.
05:20:53 WE ANTICIPATE TO LESS NEED FOR OVERTIME AS WE STAFF THOSE
05:20:58 POSITIONS WITH OFFICERS EARNING, QUOTE, EXTRA DUTY AS
05:21:02 OPPOSED TO WORKING FOR THE CITY ON AN OVERTIME BASIS.
05:21:07 IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, ARE WE UNDERSTAFFED, I CAN'T
05:21:11 TELL YOU WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS, OF COURSE.
05:21:14 WE STILL -- YOU WILL RECALL FROM PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS
05:21:17 THAT COMPARED TO OUR POSITION COMPLEMENT BEFORE THE GREAT
05:21:24 RECESSION, WE ARE STILL ABOUT 500 POSITIONS DOWN.
05:21:27 YOU HAVE SEEN THE GRAPHS THAT SHOW HOW OUR NUMBER OF
05:21:32 POSITIONS RELATED TO THE HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF CITIZENS
05:21:36 AND CUSTOMERS THAT WE SERVE, AND THE CITIZENS, AND THE
05:21:42 POSITIONS HAVE BEEN -- CONTINUE TO BE ON THE DOWNWARD
05:21:46 TRACK.
05:21:46 SO WE HAVE LESS POSITIONS.
05:21:48 WE TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEES DOING MORE WITH LESS.
05:21:50 AND I CERTAINLY THINK THEY ARE DOING THAT.
05:21:52 SOME OF THAT WILL FEED INTO THE OVERTIME AS YOU USE
05:21:56 OVERTIME DOLLARS TO USE THOSE OVERTIME DOLLAR RESOURCES
05:22:00 TO GET THE JOB DONE IN THE ABSENCE OF SOME OF THOSE
05:22:03 POSITIONS.
05:22:05 NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, THERE'S A
05:22:08 BALANCE BETWEEN HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY TO USE OVERTIME
05:22:12 FUNDING AND INCREASING THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS AND
05:22:16 EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AND
05:22:21 TROUBLESOME AT REDUCING IF AND WHEN THEY ARE NECESSARY.
05:22:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. GUDES CAN JUMP IN.
05:22:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
05:22:35 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW EXTRA DUTY PAY WILL HELP
05:22:38 WITH OVERTIME, BECAUSE EXTRA DUTY PAY IS GIVES AN OFFICER
05:22:44 MORE EXTRA DUTY.
05:22:44 SO WE JUST RAISED THE STADIUM PRICING, OR TRIED.
05:22:49 I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN VOTE PD ON YET, BUT TO GET THAT
05:22:52 NUMBER UP, THE EXTRA DUTY RATE GOING UP FOR THE STADIUM.
05:22:55 SO MOST OFFICERS WILL WORK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO WORK.
05:22:58 SO I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DOES THAT CORRELATE THE
05:23:02 CITY PAYING OVERTIME FOR JOBS VERSUS A GUY, A YOUNG LADY
05:23:06 WORKING EXTRA DUTY?
05:23:07 I'M CONFUSED THERE.
05:23:10 >> CERTAINLY.
05:23:10 OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAVE FOUND THAT THE
05:23:12 FORMER EXTRA DUTY RATE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH INCENTIVE TO
05:23:16 FILL THE POSITIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR EXTRA DUTY
05:23:18 ASSIGNMENTS.
05:23:20 AND WHEN WE CAN'T FILL THOSE POSITIONS WE NEED OFFICERS
05:23:22 TO DO IT ON AN OVERTIME BASIS, WHICH IS MUCH MORE
05:23:26 EXPENSIVE THAN AN EXTRA DUTY RATE, EVEN A NEW EXTRA DUTY
05:23:30 RATE, AND INCLUDES BENEFITS, PENSIONABLE EXPENSES, THINGS
05:23:35 LIKE THAT.
05:23:36 SO YOU ARE GETTING HOPEFULLY -- AND AGAIN WE JUST
05:23:39 IMPLEMENTED THIS -- YOU ARE GETTING THE RESOURCES
05:23:41 NECESSARY AT AN OVERALL CHEAPER PRICE.
05:23:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BUT IS THE RATE IS ONLY FOR SPECIAL
05:23:49 EVENTS, NOT FOR EXTRA DUTY PAY, CORRECT?
05:23:52 >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO, SIR.
05:23:53 IT IS FOR EXTRA DUTY.
05:23:55 THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIERS DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EVENT IS.
05:24:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE COULD BE BECAUSE I'M
05:24:02 THINKING STADIUM WOULD BE A SPECIAL EVENT.
05:24:04 A GUY WORKING AT A BAR, UNLESS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF
05:24:08 ALCOHOL MIGHT BE A SPECIAL EVENT.
05:24:10 ANYTHING ELSE I DON'T SEE WHAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL EVENT.
05:24:12 THAT IS JUST A REGULAR EXTRA DUTY JOB.
05:24:15 >> AND I THINK THEY ARE ROUGHLY SYNONYMOUS, EXTRA DUTY
05:24:19 AND SPECIAL EVENT.
05:24:20 WE PAY OFFICERS AN EXTRA DUTY RATE FOR FUNCTIONING AND
05:24:23 PROVIDING A RESOURCE AT A SPECIAL EVENT.
05:24:25 AND THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS CAN GO FROM JUST AS YOU SAID,
05:24:27 YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU ARE AT A RESTAURANT, MAYBE YOU ARE AT
05:24:30 A BAR, OR MAYBE YOU ARE AT THE SUPER BOWL.
05:24:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?
05:24:39 DO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING TO THAT?
05:24:42 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S WAIT.
05:24:42 LET'S HAVE PROPER PROCEDURE HERE.
05:24:46 MR. SHELBY, CAN WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER?
05:24:49 IN OTHER WORDS, NOW WHAT, ACTUALLY COMMENTS HAS ALREADY
05:24:53 PASSED.
05:24:53 IF SOMEBODY FROM THE UNION WANTS TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO
05:24:56 THIS ISSUE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
05:24:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE IF IT WISHES TO
05:25:03 ADDRESS A QUESTION TO SOMEBODY WHO IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
05:25:09 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
05:25:09 THEN YOU CAN COME UP.
05:25:10 THAT'S FINE.
05:25:10 >> DARLA PORTMAN, PRESIDENT OF PBA.
05:25:15 THIS IS JIMMY OWENS, HE'S MY VICE PRESIDENT, TO SPEAK TO
05:25:18 THE OFF-DUTY, A RATE PAID BY THE VENDOR.
05:25:20 THE REASON WHY IT'S GOING UP IN RATE IS BECAUSE HE'S
05:25:22 RIGHT, IT WAS SO LOW, IT WASN'T TAKING CARE OF IT BUT THE
05:25:26 EMPLOYEE FROM PATROL ON THE STREET TO FILL THOSE
05:25:29 POSITIONS, THERE WAS NO OVERTIME AS FAR AS I KNOW WAS
05:25:31 GIVEN AT ALL.
05:25:32 SO THAT'S WHY THE RATE IS GOING UP SO MORE OFFICERS WILL
05:25:35 WANT TO WORK OFF-DUTY.
05:25:36 >> JIMMY OWENS: I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY FROM THAT, COMING
05:25:39 FROM PATROL, SUPERVISING LAST YEAR AND WE WERE PULLING
05:25:42 PEOPLE OFF OUR REGULAR SQUADS TO WORK THAT EVENT.
05:25:45 IT WASN'T PULLING PEOPLE FROM HOMES AND COMING IN TO WORK
05:25:49 OVERTIME.
05:25:50 THEY WERE PULLING IN -- ESPECIALLY RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM
05:25:54 AND IT HAPPENED ALL THROUGHOUT THE FOOTBALL SEASON LAST
05:25:57 YEAR.
05:25:57 BUT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING OUT THERE WHERE AN OFFICER WAS
05:26:00 OFF, COMING IN AND WORK FOR OVERTIME TO FILL IN THOSE
05:26:04 VOIDS AT THE STADIUM.
05:26:05 THAT DID NOT OCCUR.
05:26:06 >> DARLA PORTMAN: THEY WERE PULLING FROM PATROL FROM THE
05:26:09 STREETS SO THERE WOULD BE TWO OFFICERS BEING PULLED FROM
05:26:11 THE SQUAD ON THE STREETS TO WORK THE STADIUM JOBS.
05:26:14 >> JIMMY OWENS: SO THAT WAS CAUSING LOW MANPOWER ON THE
05:26:19 STREETS.
05:26:20 THEREFORE, THE CHIEF AND THE STAFF WENT TO VENDORS TO
05:26:22 BRING UP THE PRAISES SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY WORK
05:26:25 SO OUR STREETS WOULD BE MANNED PROPERLY.
05:26:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
05:26:33 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
05:26:42 ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
05:26:44 YES, OF COURSE, THAT'S FINE.
05:26:46 COUNCILMAN.
05:26:51 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ABOUT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
05:26:53 AND I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE THE POINT OR ANYTHING.
05:26:55 BUT I HAVE HAD PEOPLE FROM THE TOURISM COMMUNITY,
05:26:58 ESPECIALLY THE HOTELIERS, COME AND SAY THAT THEY WOULD
05:27:02 RATHER, SINCE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S SOME OF THEIR MONEY IS
05:27:06 GOING TOWARDS THE CONVENTION CENTER, THAT THEY FEEL LIKE
05:27:09 WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE CONVENTION CENTER AS AN ECONOMIC
05:27:13 ENGINE, NOT JUST AS A PROFIT CENTER.
05:27:15 I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S A NEW THING.
05:27:17 BUT AS WE GET THE NEW HEAD OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT
05:27:20 MIGHT BE WORTH IN PART MEETING WITH THE TOURISM COMMITTEE
05:27:23 TO SEE ARE THERE SOME EVENTS THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO GET
05:27:27 INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE THEY'LL DRIVE THE ECONOMY?
05:27:30 AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN OR WHAT THE
05:27:32 SPECIFICS ARE BUT THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THEY GAVE.
05:27:37 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
05:27:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BENNETT, IF I COULD.
05:27:49 [BELL SOUNDS]
05:27:50 IS THAT MY TIME IS UP?
05:27:52 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
05:27:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD EVENING, JOHN.
05:27:59 LAST WEEK THIS COUNCIL SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME DURING
05:28:02 OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP ON A PARTICULAR VENDOR, PBAE, ALSO
05:28:08 KNOWN AS SOME OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATION BUT YOU KNOW WHO
05:28:12 THEY ARE, IN REGARD TO THE FACT THAT THEY GOT CUT OUT OF
05:28:16 THE BUDGET TWO YEARS AGO FOR 109,000. THIS COUNCIL VOTED
05:28:20 5-2 RESPECTIVELY ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO PUT THEM
05:28:28 BACK IN.
05:28:28 AS OF TONIGHT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING IN WRITING
05:28:30 SIMILAR TO THE DOCUMENT THAT WE RECEIVED THE AFTERNOON OF
05:28:33 THE BUDGET WORKSHOP TO INDICATE THE ADMINISTRATION DOING
05:28:37 THAT.
05:28:39 HAVE I MISSED THE MEMO?
05:28:42 OR WHAT?
05:28:43 AND PART OF MY CONCERN IS, I ASKED MR. SHELBY BEFORE THE
05:28:46 MEETING STARTED, I SAID, IN REGARD TO PROCESS, IF WE ARE
05:28:50 STILL TALKING ABOUT ITEMS THAT MIGHT COME AND GO INTO THE
05:28:54 BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF PROCESS?
05:28:59 DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT NEED TO COME IN TONIGHT SO WE
05:29:02 ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE?
05:29:05 AND, IF SO, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A SIMILAR MOTION THAT I
05:29:08 MADE LAST WEEK, SEE WHERE IT GOES, OR IS THAT NOT
05:29:14 NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME IN OTHERWISE?
05:29:17 SO, ANYWAY, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO BE THAT QUESTION,
05:29:20 JOHN.
05:29:20 BUT WHERE ARE WE ON THAT ISSUE?
05:29:22 >>JOHN BENNETT: SO BEING THAT THE WORKSHOP, HEARING THIS
05:29:27 FIRST HAND AND TALKING TO YOU OFFLINE, OBVIOUSLY, WE
05:29:31 HEARD THE GROUP COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE
05:29:35 TRYING TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY.
05:29:36 I THINK EVERYBODY AGREED THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE
05:29:40 TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE AS A NONPROFIT FEE.
05:29:46 THE CHALLENGE IS I ASKED FOR A FEW THINGS.
05:29:48 SOME OF THEM WE RECEIVED, LOOKED AT THEIR BUDGET.
05:29:50 WE ASKED THEM FIRST HAND, OR YOU DID, AT LEAST, WHAT
05:29:54 THEIR FUNDING LOOKED LIKE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
05:29:56 I THINK THE CONCERN IS THAT THE FUNDING HAS BEEN CUT, AND
05:30:02 WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR STATE OF HEALTH IS
05:30:04 AS FAR AS DELIVERING SERVICES, EVEN THOUGH THE ONES THAT
05:30:07 WE HAVE SEEN HAVE BEEN REALLY WELL RECEIVED BY THE
05:30:10 COMMUNITY.
05:30:11 SO THERE IS NO DECISION AT THIS POINT.
05:30:13 THE ADMINISTRATION HAS LOOKED AT IT.
05:30:16 WE LOOKED AT THE DATA.
05:30:17 WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT.
05:30:18 I THINK THE POSITION THAT WE ARE IN RATE NOW IS TO TRY
05:30:22 AND SUPPORT AS FAR AS TODAY GOES IS TRYING TO SUPPORT
05:30:25 THEM IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO KEEP THEM AFLOAT UNTIL WE CAN
05:30:29 SEE WHAT OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE.
05:30:32 SPECIFICALLY, GRANTS --
05:30:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A THOUGHT BECAUSE I THINK YOUR
05:30:35 SUSTAINABILITY CONCERN IS LEGITIMATE.
05:30:37 I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO HAND AN ORGANIZATION $100,000
05:30:40 FOR THE POTENTIAL THAT THEY COULD GO UNDER A WEEK OR
05:30:43 MONTH OR QUARTER LATER.
05:30:45 BUT PERHAPS THE COMPROMISE COULD BE TO HAVE IT BE DOLED
05:30:51 OUT $25,000 PER QUARTER, SO AT LEAST WE ARE ONLY ON THE
05:30:56 HOOK FOR 25,000 AS WE GO, AND HOPEFULLY THEY RIGHT THEIR
05:31:02 SHIP.
05:31:02 I THINK HAVING THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE CITY
05:31:05 BEHIND THEM AS YOU AND I DISCUSSED IN REGARD TO GOING FOR
05:31:08 GRANTS AND MAYBE TEAMING UP ON GRANTS, AND OTHER
05:31:14 NONCHARITABLE FOLKS WHO MIGHT WANT TO HELP THEM, YOU
05:31:17 KNOW, WOULD REALLY BE A NICE SIGNAL FROM THE CITY THAT WE
05:31:22 ARE HERE TO WORK WITH THEM AND MAYBE OTHER FOLKS ARE TOO.
05:31:25 SO, ANYWAY, PROCEDURALLY, I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY
05:31:29 QUESTION.
05:31:31 I HAVEN'T MISSED ANY MEMO YET.
05:31:34 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, YOU HAVE NOT.
05:31:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I'LL ASK MR. SHELBY THEN, YOU
05:31:40 KNOW, WHAT HE MIGHT SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS BODY, IF
05:31:45 THIS BODY WANTS TO CONTINUE ALONG LIKE WE DID 5-2 LAST
05:31:50 WEEK.
05:31:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, COUNCIL.
05:31:52 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
05:31:53 JUST A REMINDER THAT SECTION 7.07, THE BUDGET CHANGES, IS
05:31:59 THAT AFTER THIS BUDGET PASSES, THE WAY THAT COUNCIL CAN
05:32:05 CHANGE THE BUDGET IS UPON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
05:32:08 MAYOR.
05:32:08 SO IT IS THE MAYOR AFTER THIS POINT IF THIS PASSES THAT
05:32:12 INITIATES THE BUDGET CHANGES.
05:32:13 YOU MAY WANT TO TALK TO THE STAFF.
05:32:15 WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION, A NEW MAYOR, AND PERHAPS A
05:32:18 NEW AGREEMENT OR A NEW PROCESS ABOUT HOW GOING ABOUT IT.
05:32:22 BUT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF COUNCIL WISHES TO ADD THAT
05:32:29 IN THE BUDGET, I SHOULD ALSO REMAINED YOU THAT IT DOES
05:32:33 NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRE THE MAYOR TO SPEND MONEY THAT'S
05:32:37 ALLOCATED, THAT'S ACTUALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
05:32:41 SO COUNCIL CANNOT COMPEL THAT THE WAY THIS GOVERNMENT IS
05:32:46 STRUCTURED.
05:32:46 SO THAT BEING SAID, THE BEST SUGGESTION I CAN MAKE IS I
05:32:53 DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE ABLE TO RELAY THE
05:32:56 ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION, BUT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
05:32:59 SPEAK BRIEFLY WITH MR. TERRITO ABOUT THE PROCESS, OF THE
05:33:03 WAY YOU INTENDED TO MOVE FORWARD IF COUNCIL DID HAVE
05:33:06 CHANGES.
05:33:06 AND I BELIEVE YOU SUGGESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE AN
05:33:09 AGREEMENT TO HAVE A RESOLUTION BROUGHT AFTER THE PASSAGE
05:33:12 OF THE BUDGET, THAT IT IS INTENDED TO BE PASSED AS IS
05:33:15 PRESENTED.
05:33:16 SO IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT.
05:33:21 FOR THE PURPOSES OF INFORMATION.
05:33:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHAIRMAN, REAL QUICK.
05:33:24 MR. BENNETT, I ASKED SOME OF THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT
05:33:29 I HAD EARLIER, PERHAPS IN THE INTERIM YOU MIGHT PERHAPS
05:33:32 CHAT WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT THE $25,000 PER QUARTER IDEA.
05:33:36 >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.
05:33:38 I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF THE ASK.
05:33:39 I UNDERSTAND THE METRICS OF THE ASK.
05:33:41 AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
05:33:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
05:33:46 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND I RECENTLY GOT THE BUDGET A COUPLE
05:33:51 OF HOURS AGO.
05:33:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. TERRITO, I GUESS I CUT YOU OFF.
05:33:55 >>SAL TERRITO: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
05:33:59 IN THE PAST, SINCE YOU HAVE COME BACK AFTER A BIT OF A
05:34:03 GAP THERE, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WHEN THIS HAS
05:34:06 COME UP, IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS AGREED TO YOUR CHANGE,
05:34:09 YOU ARE NOT CHANGING THE BUDGET AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
05:34:12 ONCE THERE'S AN AGREEMENT REACHED RATHER THAN GO THROUGH
05:34:14 THE ROW WHOLE PROCESS OF REARRANGING A BUNCH OF THINGS,
05:34:18 IF THE ADMINISTRATION CONCURS, THAT THEY WILL COME BACK
05:34:20 IN THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, AND ADD THAT TO THE
05:34:22 BUDGET, RATHER THAN MAKE THE CHANGES IN THIS DOCUMENT AT
05:34:26 THIS PARTICULAR TIME, IT GETS TO BE A LITTLE MORE
05:34:29 CUMBERSOME.
05:34:30 THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DONE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IF
05:34:32 THERE'S BEEN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE
05:34:34 CITY COUNCIL.
05:34:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IT'S ON A HANDSHAKE.
05:34:36 >>SAL TERRITO: IT'S MORE OFF HANDSHAKE. IF THE MAYOR
05:34:39 AND ADMINISTRATION MAKES THAT PROMISE, AND THEY KEPT IT
05:34:42 EVERY TIME.
05:34:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SOUND LIKE A HANDSHAKE.
05:34:46 THAT'S MY HANDSHAKE.
05:35:04 DO YOU WANT SOME MORE OF MY QUESTIONS?
05:35:12 AGAIN, I AM IN THE SUPPLEMENT PAGE 13 UNDER OTHER
05:35:19 CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.
05:35:20 THIS IS LINE 53-4007.
05:35:27 SO DENNIS, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT A
05:35:32 LITTLE BIT AT THE LAST MEETING.
05:35:34 SO IN 2017, WE HAD CONTRACTUAL SERVICES TO THE TUNE OF $4
05:35:39 MILLION.
05:35:40 IT JUMPED SIGNIFICANTLY IN 18 TO 6 MILLION.
05:35:43 AND NOW IN 2020, WE ARE AT 7 MILLION.
05:35:47 AGAIN, THIS GOES TO THAT LABOR ISSUE.
05:35:51 WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR LABOR, AND WHY DO WE CONTINUALLY
05:35:55 GO OUTSIDE, WHICH I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK IT'S MORE
05:35:58 EXPENSIVE THAN HIRING EMPLOYEES.
05:36:02 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE
05:36:06 I WANT TO SAY NOT ANOMALIES BUT BIG TICKET ITEMS IN
05:36:10 FISCAL YEAR 20.
05:36:12 AFTER DISCUSSING WITH YOU AT THE MEETING, WE HAVE GONE
05:36:14 BACK AND DONE SOME RESEARCH.
05:36:16 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR INSTANCE, HAS A LITTLE OVER
05:36:21 ONE AND A HALF, ALMOST $1.6 MILLION IDENTIFIED IN FISCAL
05:36:24 YEAR 20 COMPARED TO FISCAL YEAR 19 FOR THE BODY WORN
05:36:28 CAMERAS THAT YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, MIDDLE SCHOOL
05:36:31 CROSSING GUARDS, AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS CONTRACTS.
05:36:35 BUT AS I BELIEVE YOU ALL ARE AWARE, BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE
05:36:39 NOT ONLY GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT ASSET EXPENSE, BUT A
05:36:42 SIGNIFICANT OPERATING EXPENSE.
05:36:44 AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL FIND THE EXPENSE IN THE N THIS
05:36:46 PARTICULAR SUPPLEMENT.
05:36:48 YOU ALSO HAVE SOME EXPENSES IN THERE ASSOCIATED WITH
05:36:51 PARKS AND RECREATION, GROUNDS MAINTENANCE, WHICH AGAIN I
05:36:54 KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE TO THE TUNE OF A
05:36:57 LITTLE OVER $200,000.
05:36:59 SO IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, AGAIN, THERE'S A BALANCE
05:37:01 IN THERE SOMEWHERE IN TERMS OF WHAT SORT OF IN-HOUSE
05:37:06 RESOURCES WE USE TO GET THE JOB DONE WITH OUR EMPLOYEES,
05:37:09 AND WHAT SORT OF THIRD PARTY VENDOR RESOURCES WE USE TO
05:37:14 GET THE JOB DONE.
05:37:15 BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE THERE'S A SPECIFIC BIG
05:37:18 TICKET ITEM IN THERE THAT'S INFLATING IT.
05:37:22 >> THANK YOU.
05:37:23 ON PAGE 17 UNDER PERSONNEL SERVICES AND BENEFITS, BUDGET,
05:37:26 RESERVE, WHAT'S KIND OF NEAT ABOUT THESE PAGES, IT DOES
05:37:32 GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. IT GIVES US THE 17
05:37:36 NUMBERS, THE 18 NUMBERS, AND THE 18 NUMBERS AND 19
05:37:40 NUMBERS, AND THEN THE PERSPECTIVE 2020 NUMBERS.
05:37:43 SO YOU CAN SORT OF SEE WHAT DIRECTION WE ARE HEADED.
05:37:47 SO IN THE BUDGET RESERVES, AND I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG IT'S
05:37:52 IMPORTANT TO HAVE RESERVES, IT APPEARS IN 17, WE WERE AT
05:37:55 ZERO.
05:37:56 18 WE WERE AT ZERO.
05:37:58 19 WE WERE AT A MILLION.
05:38:00 AND THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET FOR THIS COMING YEAR IS
05:38:04 $12,547,000.
05:38:07 TELL US A LITTLE ABOUT THAT.
05:38:09 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
05:38:10 AGAIN, YOU WILL RECALL WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE MEETING
05:38:12 AND BASED ON YOUR QUESTION, IN FACT, I WENT BACK AND DID
05:38:15 SOME RESEARCH.
05:38:15 THIS IS A SPECIAL RESERVE.
05:38:18 THE FUNDING YOU SEE HERE IS FUNDING BEING HELD IN
05:38:22 ABEYANCE PENDING THE COMPLETION OF CONTRACT NEGOTIATION
05:38:25 WAS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS.
05:38:27 WHATEVER PAY RAISES THAT WE ARRIVE AT IN NEGOTIATION WAS
05:38:31 THE UNIONS, WE WILL PULL FROM THAT RESERVE FUNDING.
05:38:35 THIS IS SEPARATE AND APART NOT TO BE CONFUSED -- AND I
05:38:39 KNOW WE THROW THE WORD RESERVE AROUND QUITE A BIT. THIS
05:38:42 IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE FUND BALANCE RESERVE, 23%
05:38:45 THAT YOU HEAR ME HARPING ON FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
05:38:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
05:38:51 SO HOW MUCH IS THE UNBALANCED RESERVE IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS,
05:38:58 THAT 23%?
05:39:00 WHAT WAS IT LAST YEAR AND HOW MUCH IS IT COMING --
05:39:03 >> IT IS 105 MILLION ANTICIPATED OR RECOMMENDED TO YOU
05:39:07 ALL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 BUDGET.
05:39:09 IT WAS A LITTLE UNDER 99 MILLION IN THE CURRENT FISCAL
05:39:12 YEAR.
05:39:12 AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO $5.7 MILLION IN AN EFFORT OF
05:39:18 OBTAINING THAT 23%.
05:39:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THIS FISCAL YEAR, HOW MUCH ARE WE
05:39:22 PUTTING INTO CONTINUE TO BUILD IT?
05:39:25 >>DENNIS ROGERO: 5.7 MILLION.
05:39:27 >> 5.7 MILLION.
05:39:29 HOW MUCH DID WE PUT IN LAST YEAR?
05:39:31 >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT I DON'T KNOW.
05:39:32 ANYBODY KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD?
05:39:34 WE'LL GET THAT FOR YOU.
05:39:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHILE WE ARE WAITING, AND THAT'S
05:39:38 GENERALLY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND?
05:39:42 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
05:39:42 GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
05:39:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO AGAIN NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT
05:39:46 WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT $100,000, WHICH BY MY ESTIMATE
05:39:50 IS .01 OF A PERCENT OF THE TOTAL BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET,
05:39:56 WE HAVE 5.7 MILLION IN RESERVES GOING TO RESERVES THIS
05:40:02 YEAR.
05:40:02 SO IF WE USED 100,000 OF THAT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM
05:40:07 THAT THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR 5-2, IT WOULD BE 5.6 MILLION
05:40:12 IN RESERVES.
05:40:13 >>DENNIS ROGERO: 5.69.
05:40:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 5.69.
05:40:21 AND LAST YEAR WAS WHAT?
05:40:23 >>DENNIS ROGERO: LAST YEAR, IN 2019, I AM GOING TO GIVE
05:40:27 YOU THE PROJECTION BECAUSE OF COURSE WE HAVE A BUDGET
05:40:29 THAT WAS ADOPTED ALMOST A YEAR AGO.
05:40:31 REMEMBER YOU HAVE THINGS THAT HAND SINCE THEN.
05:40:33 WE ANTICIPATE WE ARE GOING TO END THIS CURRENT FISCAL
05:40:36 YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 19, AT JUST A LITTLE OVER $100 MILLION.
05:40:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LAST YEAR THE CONTRIBUTION WAS HOW
05:40:45 MUCH?
05:40:46 >>DENNIS ROGERO: LAST YEAR WE INCREASED FUND BALANCE
05:40:48 $3.7 MILLION.
05:40:51 FROM 2018 TO 2019.
05:40:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 2 MILLION
05:40:55 APPROXIMATELY.
05:40:57 THAT WERE ADDED TO THE RESERVES OVER AND ABOVE WATCH WE
05:41:02 DID LAST YEAR.
05:41:02 >> OVER AND ABOVE THE ADDITIONS WE DID LAST YEAR, YES.
05:41:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS I ASKED A LITTLE
05:41:10 EARLIER, AND IF HE'S AMENABLE, I HAVE ASKED, BEFORE WE
05:41:16 ARE REQUESTED TO VOTE, IF WE COULD TAKE PERHAPS A
05:41:19 TEN-MINUTE RECESS, SO MR. BENNETT COULD PURSUE THE
05:41:23 OPPORTUNITY FOR COMPROMISE THAT I SUGGESTED.
05:41:26 OBVIOUSLY, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE THE
05:41:28 RECESS.
05:41:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. DINGFELDER
05:41:35 SAID, VERY NOBLE.
05:41:36 BUT AS YOU A WELL KNOW AS YOUR BUDGET NUMBER GROWS, THERE
05:41:40 IS A NUMBER YOU HAVE TO PUT INTO RESERVE.
05:41:43 AM I CORRECT?
05:41:44 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
05:41:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO THAT'S ONE ITEM THAT YOU HAVE TO
05:41:47 REALIZE.
05:41:48 THE SECOND ONE AND MOST IMPORTANT IN MY BOOK, ANYWAY, IS
05:41:51 THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT NEED ALWAYS ADDRESSING NO
05:41:54 MATTER WHAT GOVERNMENT YOU ARE IN.
05:41:56 THE VERY YOUNG AND THE VERY ELDERLY.
05:42:00 AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE, WE STARTED AND WORKING WELL WITH
05:42:04 PARKS AND REC, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY LONGER
05:42:07 HOURS.
05:42:08 AND I THINK THAT'S WORKED BEAUTIFULLY.
05:42:10 YOU SEE, ALL OF US WERE YOUNG ONCE.
05:42:13 AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LEFT OF YOU, BUT I WAS NO
05:42:16 ANGEL.
05:42:17 HOWEVER, I HAD A PLACE TO GO.
05:42:20 CUSCADEN PARK.
05:42:22 AND I HAD AMENITIES THERE.
05:42:23 AND GO BACK IN HISTORY.
05:42:25 AND WHAT WE HAD THEN, WE DON'T HAVE NOW.
05:42:27 EACH PARK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAD AT LEAST TWO EMPLOYEES
05:42:30 IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
05:42:32 ONE THAT HANDLED THE GIRLS ATHLETICS, AND THE OTHER ONE
05:42:35 THAT HANDLED THE YOUNG BOYS ATHLETICS.
05:42:39 AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE SPENT AT THE PARK I THINK
05:42:43 WAS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE SPENT
05:42:46 IN SCHOOL.
05:42:47 BECAUSE WE WERE ALWAYS AT THE PARK.
05:42:50 IT WAS VERY COMMON.
05:42:51 WHY?
05:42:51 WE DIDN'T HAVE THE AMENITIES WE HAVE TODAY.
05:42:54 THERE WAS REALLY NO CELL PHONES IN FACT NONE AT ALL.
05:42:58 THERE WAS TELEVISION WHEN I WAS YOUNG, BUT SOME OF US
05:43:00 DIDN'T HAVE IT.
05:43:00 I WAS ONE OF THEM.
05:43:02 AND LIKE MOST AREAS IN YBOR CITY, MOST OF US DIDN'T HAVE
05:43:06 ANYTHING BUT THE PARK.
05:43:07 SO ALL OF US WERE AT THE PARK DAY AND NIGHT DURING THE
05:43:12 SUMMER MONTHS.
05:43:14 AND IT KEPT US OUT OF TROUBLE, BUT IT TAUGHT US MORE THAN
05:43:18 JUST GET OUT OF TROUBLE.
05:43:19 IT TAUGHT US HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE, HOW TO TALK WITH
05:43:22 PEOPLE.
05:43:26 AND SPORTS, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE WHEN THEY HAD THAT
05:43:29 BASKETBALL, MR. GUDES WAS THERE AND I WAS THERE, AND THE
05:43:32 KID THAT I SAW, THE ENERGY THAT I SAW, AT THAT BASKETBALL
05:43:37 COURT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
05:43:39 AND THE KIDS WERE GETTING ALONG SO WELL WITH EACH OTHER.
05:43:41 EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PLAYING AGAINST EACH OTHER, THAT'S
05:43:44 HOW LIFE -- THAT'S HOW YOU BUILD UP WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO
05:43:47 BE LATER ON IN LIFE.
05:43:48 SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE YOUNG.
05:43:50 AND THE ELDERLY, IN MY BOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE
05:43:54 GRANTS THAT COME IN FOR THIS AND THIS, THERE'S MONEY TO
05:44:01 FIX 5% OF WHAT'S NEEDED AND ROOFS AND HOUSES THAT
05:44:04 FALLING -- YES, WE GO OUT, "PAINT YOUR HEART OUT" AND
05:44:07 THINGS LIKE THAT.
05:44:08 BUT FOR EVERY HOUSE WE PAINT, THERE'S A THOUSAND THAT WE
05:44:12 NEED IT.
05:44:12 FOR EVERY ROOF WE FIX, THERE'S A THOUSAND THAT NEED IT.
05:44:15 AND WHAT IT IS, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE FORGOTTEN.
05:44:18 I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING.
05:44:20 BUT IF I HAVE TO GIVE SOME MONEY UP, IN MY OPINION, I
05:44:22 WANT IT TO GO TO YOUTH OR THE ELDERLY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE
05:44:26 THE TWO IN SOCIETY, THE YOUTH WILL BE THE NEXT LEADERS,
05:44:28 AND THE ELDERLY ARE FORGOTTEN.
05:44:31 THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:44:33 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
05:44:33 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
05:44:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:44:37 I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP.
05:44:40 I GUESS WHAT BOTHERS ME, HAD I PUT A COUPLE ITEMS ON THE
05:44:43 FLOOR.
05:44:43 I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS.
05:44:45 AND MR. MIRANDA LEADS RIGHT INTO IT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
05:44:49 THE ELDERLY AND CHILDREN.
05:44:52 AGAIN, I MADE IT CLEAR LAST TIME, MY COMMUNITY WERE
05:44:58 EXPECTING FOR THE YOUTH.
05:45:02 I WAS WILLING TO COMPROMISE, THE CRA, WAS WILLING TO PUT
05:45:05 UP SOME DOLLARS, BUT WE NEED DOLLARS TO COME FROM THE
05:45:09 GENERAL FUND.
05:45:09 I STILL STAND BY OUR CENTER.
05:45:15 THINK THIS COUNCIL REALIZES THAT, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT:
05:45:19 WAS NOBLE ABOUT THE $400,000 TO DO ANOTHER STUDY, OR --
05:45:26 WE ARE PAST STUDIES IN DISTRICT 5.
05:45:28 STUDIES ARE GOOD.
05:45:33 BUT WE CONTINUE TO STUDY, STUDY, STUDY.
05:45:36 WE CONTINUE TO BLOW MONEY.
05:45:37 AND I UNDERSTAND -- I'M CONFUSED.
05:45:40 I JUST TALKED TO LEGAL COUNSEL.
05:45:42 HE SAID IT SEEMS LIKE THE RULES EVERYBODY CHANGING BACK
05:45:45 AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH IN REFERENCE TO HOW WE GET
05:45:48 THINGS IN THE BUDGET FROM THIS COUNCIL, WITH THE
05:45:50 ADMINISTRATION.
05:45:52 BUT I'M PREPARED TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR REFERENCE
05:45:56 TO WHAT I ASKED FOR REFERENCE MY DISTRICT.
05:45:59 I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
05:46:01 I THINK IT'S WARRANTED.
05:46:02 NUMBER TWO IS THE FIRE RESCUE.
05:46:06 I UNDERSTAND THE PUSHBACK ON THE FULL TIME RESCUE CAR IN
05:46:11 MY DISTRICT.
05:46:13 YOU HAVE JUST SENT THOSE TWO CARS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
05:46:18 TO OTHER PLACES.
05:46:19 THOSE ARE TWO CARS THAT ARE HERE, THAT COULD BE UTILIZED.
05:46:24 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE EXTRA MONEY HAS TO COME IN FOR
05:46:27 THAT CAR WHEN WE HAVE TWO EXISTING CARS HERE.
05:46:29 I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING A CAR WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE 10,
05:46:34 12, 13 YEARS AGO IN EAST TAMPA, HAS NEVER BEEN REPLACED.
05:46:38 I AM JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THE PUSHBACK ON THAT.
05:46:41 I KNOW THE UNION IS HERE.
05:46:42 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THAT BECAUSE
05:46:45 THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND WORKING
05:46:47 HARD, AND ABOUT EVERY DAY.
05:46:50 AND I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM AND SEE WHAT THEIR TAKE
05:46:54 ON IT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING ABOUT IT.
05:46:55 I AM GOING TO FIGHT FOR MY ISSUES.
05:46:57 I AM GOING TO FIGHT TO THE FOURTH QUARTER.
05:47:00 I'M AT THE GOAL LINE.
05:47:02 I HAVE A TEAM UP HERE.
05:47:03 I NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP ME SCORE.
05:47:06 IF MR. GRECO CAN SPEAK ON THAT, I WISH HE WOULD.
05:47:09 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF MR. GRECO AND MR. CARTER WANTS TO
05:47:11 COME UP.
05:47:12 >> JOE GRECO, TAMPA FIREFIGHTERS, PRESIDENT, ANDREW
05:47:16 CARTER, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNION.
05:47:17 SO THE CONCERN THAT MR. GUDES BROUGHT TO US WAS ABOUT THE
05:47:20 RESCUE CAR THAT ONCE WAS AT STATION 10.
05:47:24 THAT RESCUE CAR WAS REMOVED FROM THERE AND PUT AT STATION
05:47:27 7, WHICH IS THE HANNA AND NEBRASKA.
05:47:29 IT WAS NEVER REPLACED.
05:47:31 THAT AREA OF EAST TAMPA, EVERYTHING FROM ORIENT ROAD TO
05:47:34 22ND STREET, FROM PORT OF TAMPA ALL THE WAY TO MLK, AND
05:47:38 TULIP RUNS EVEN FARTHER, BUT IF YOU CAN VISUALIZE THAT
05:47:41 SIZE AREA, THAT'S ALL RUN BY ONE RESCUE CAR.
05:47:45 IT'S THE LARGEST DISTRICT IN THE CITY.
05:47:47 RESCUE 4 RUNS THAT.
05:47:48 BUT THEN EVERY OTHER RESCUE CAR AROUND THERE BACK FILLS.
05:47:52 SO 5, 1, 18, AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S NEEDED WILL HAVE TO
05:47:57 RUN INTO THAT AIR.
05:47:58 I BELIEVE THE STAFF CAME BACK WITH PUTTING ANOTHER PEAK
05:48:05 CAR AT STATION 16.
05:48:07 A PEAK CAR IS PAID OVERTIME. SO TIME AND A HALF.
05:48:10 AND IT'S MANNED WITH A LIEUTENANT AND PARAMEDIC.
05:48:14 WE ARE ALL PARAMEDICS.
05:48:15 BUT THAT CAR IS PARTICULARLY MANNED EVERY DAY EXCEPT FOR
05:48:19 SUNDAY AND MONDAY.
05:48:20 IT'S MANNED WITH A LIEUTENANT AND A PARAMEDIC.
05:48:24 LIEUTENANTS MAKE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.
05:48:25 WHEN YOU PAY THEM OVERTIME, WE JUST DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S
05:48:28 A GOOD IDEA TO SPEND OVERTIME MONEY WHEN YOU COULD STAFF
05:48:31 IT FULL TIME WITH STRAIGHT PAY, JUST BY MOVING SOME
05:48:34 PEOPLE AROUND IN THE CITY.
05:48:36 WE HAVE STAFF TO DO IT.
05:48:38 THEY NEED TO BE REALLOCATED, USED MORE EFFICIENTLY.
05:48:42 AND THERE'S STAFF THERE TO DO THAT.
05:48:43 WE ALSO HAVE RESCUE CARS.
05:48:45 SO I DON'T NOT WHERE, FOR THIS YEAR, WHAT I AM SAYING,
05:48:48 INSTEAD OF GOING BACK INTO THE BUDGET AND TRYING TO
05:48:51 REALLOCATE MONEY, WE DO HAVE SOME RESERVE UNITS IF THAN A
05:48:55 RESCUE CAR BROKE DOWN, A FRONT LINE RESCUE CAR, THEY
05:48:58 WOULD GO TO THOSE UNITS AT 19th AND 34th STREET
05:49:01 TODAY.
05:49:02 WHY COULDN'T WE JUST STAFF ONE OF THOSE RESCUE CARS FULL
05:49:06 TIME?
05:49:06 THAT UNIT CAME OUT OF THERE 17 YEARS AGO AND IT'S NEVER
05:49:10 BEEN REPLACED.
05:49:11 I DON'T NOTICE THAT IT WAS THE CITY'S INTENTION TO LET
05:49:13 GOT 17 YEARS.
05:49:14 AT THE TIME I WAS AT STATION 10.
05:49:16 THAT RESCUE CAR WAS REMOVED BECAUSE STATION 10 WAS IN
05:49:19 DISREPAIR.
05:49:20 THEY HAD TO ADD A BATHROOM.
05:49:21 THERE WERE A BUNCH OF REASONS.
05:49:23 THEY DIDN'T FIT TOO MANY PEOPLE.
05:49:25 THERE WAS NO PARKING.
05:49:26 THEY MOVED TO THE RESCUE 7 BUT IT WAS NEVER REPLACED AND
05:49:29 I DOESN'T THINK IT WAS EVER STAFF'S INTENTION NOT TO HAVE
05:49:32 A RESCUE CAR BACK THERE.
05:49:33 THERE WAS NEVER ANYTHING IN WRITING THAT SAID THEY
05:49:36 WOULDN'T PUT ONE BACK.
05:49:37 BUT IT SEEMS LIKE YOU LEFT ONE OF THE MOST NEEDED UNITS
05:49:40 IN THE CITY, YOU LEFT IT BARE FOR 17 YEARS, AND WE HAVE
05:49:44 DRAWN IN OTHER RESCUE CARS OUT OF THE OTHER VERY
05:49:47 IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE CITY INTO THAT AREA.
05:49:51 IT'S DEFINITELY A NEED.
05:49:52 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP KICKING THE CAN, PUTTING A
05:49:56 BAND-AID ON THE BULLET HOLE WITH ANOTHER 12-HOUR CAR
05:49:56 PAYMENT, TIME AND A HALF, WHEN YOU CAN PAY STRAIGHT TIME,
05:49:58 JUST ALLOCATE SOME MANPOWER.
05:50:01 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
05:50:02 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
05:50:04 COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD A QUESTION.
05:50:07 >>BILL CARLSON: I WONDER, JOE, MR. GRECO -- SORRY -- DO
05:50:14 YOU HAVE ANYWAY TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE LOSS OF LIFE IS, OR
05:50:18 ADDITIONAL INJURY FROM PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET
05:50:21 SERVICES QUICKLY?
05:50:23 >> NO, SIR.
05:50:24 EVERYBODY GETS TO A HOSPITAL.
05:50:26 IT HAS TO DO IF YOU LOOK BACK HISTORICALLY OVER TIME, AND
05:50:30 IN 84 WE RAN 25,000 CALLS. THIS YEAR WE'LL RUN
05:50:33 APPROXIMATELY 90,000 CALLS.
05:50:34 IT COULD BE 92.
05:50:35 IT COULD BE 91.
05:50:36 SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
05:50:37 SO OVER TIME WE HAVEN'T INCREASED MANPOWER IN THIS CITY.
05:50:42 WE ACTUALLY SHRANK MANPOWER IN THE CITY.
05:50:45 WE HAVE STATIONS IN THE NORTH END BUT THOUGH DIDN'T TAKE
05:50:48 ANYTHING OUT OF THE CITY.
05:50:49 I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE CAUSING ANYBODY LOSS OF LIFE,
05:50:52 OR THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE AFRAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
05:50:54 ANYBODY.
05:50:54 WHAT IT DOES IS IT DELAYS THE PERSON GETTING THERE.
05:50:57 SO IF YOU HAD A COUPLE CALLS IN THAT DISTRICT, YOU WOULD
05:51:00 HAVE RESCUE CARS COMING OUT OF STATION 18 AT 34th AND
05:51:04 HILLSBOROUGH OR STATION DOWNTOWN GOING INTO THAT AREA, OR
05:51:07 POTENTIALLY TAKING ONE OUT OF ROBLES PARK, LEAVING THOSE
05:51:10 AREAS BLANK FROM ALS COVERAGE.
05:51:14 SO WE MAKE IT -- WE PICK UP EVERYBODY.
05:51:17 WE DON'T LEAVE ANYBODY OUT THERE HANGING BUT IT JUST
05:51:20 TAKES LONGER TO GET THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING FROM A
05:51:23 FARTHER DISTANCE.
05:51:24 THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST NEEDED AREAS IN THE CITY.
05:51:26 LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR YEARS AND
05:51:28 YEARS AND YEARS.
05:51:30 I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT RESCUE CAR DIDN'T GO BOOK IN.
05:51:34 I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS CITY'S INTENTION NOT TO PUT IT
05:51:37 BACK.
05:51:37 IT JUST HAPPENED AND NEVER GOT PICKED BACK UP.
05:51:40 THERE IS STAFFING FOR IT.
05:51:41 THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO USE MANPOWER MORE EFFECTIVELY
05:51:44 BUT CURRENTLY THEY ARE STAFFING FOR IT.
05:51:47 I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO USE -- I THINK I READ THEY WANT
05:51:50 CITIZEN 500,000 IN OVERTIME MONEY TO PAY FOR A 12 HOUR
05:51:54 CAR WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARY AT ALL.
05:51:56 WE NEED TO RESTAFF.
05:51:57 WE HAVE TWO UNASSIGNED LIEUTENANTS NOW.
05:51:59 WE ONLY NEED TO PROMOTE ONE, WHICH WE HAVE EIGHT ON THE
05:52:03 LIST.
05:52:03 AND YOU HAVE YOUR THREE LIEUTENANTS.
05:52:06 NOW YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME PEOPLE OFF OF RESCUE CARS, AND
05:52:10 PUT THEM AT A FULL TIME ASSIGNMENT, WHICH IS STATION 16
05:52:14 OR WHEREVER THE CITY STAFF AND FIRE STAFF WOULD DECIDE
05:52:17 THEY WANTED IT.
05:52:18 16 WOULD BE THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS BECAUSE IT HAS ROOM FOR
05:52:22 IT.
05:52:23 STATION 10 DOES NOT HAVE ROOM FOR IT.
05:52:25 IT COULD BACK FILL ALL THE NECESSARY AREAS.
05:52:27 SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS
05:52:29 BEING LEFT OUT NOT HAVING A RESCUE CAR AS THEY NEED IT.
05:52:34 IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE LONGER TO GET THERE.
05:52:36 REMEMBER, WE ALL HAVE FIRE TRUCKS THAT GET THERE FIRST.
05:52:39 FIRE TRUCKS ARE FIRST RESPONDERS AND WE ARE PARAMEDICS ON
05:52:43 ALL FIRE TRUCKS NOW SO THEY GET IS SOMEONE THERE TO WORK
05:52:45 ON THEM.
05:52:46 THEY JUST DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY TO TAKE THEM TO THE
05:52:49 HOSPITAL AS QUICK AS WHAT THEY COULD HAVE, SIR.
05:52:51 YES, SIR.
05:52:51 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
05:52:53 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN?
05:52:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, FOR YOUR ASSESSMENT.
05:53:00 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
05:53:01 BUT SOMETIME TONIGHT I AM GOING TO BRING BOTH OF THOSE
05:53:05 ISSUES BACK UP POSSIBLY FOR A MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THEY
05:53:08 ARE WARRANTED.
05:53:08 THE COMMUNITY DESERVES IT.
05:53:10 AND WE DON'T NEED TO BE PUSHED BACK ANY LONGER.
05:53:13 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE AFTER THE A
05:53:16 BREAK?
05:53:16 LET ME SAY SOMETHING IF I MAY.
05:53:17 THERE'S THAT OLD -- THE ROLLING STONES, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS
05:53:24 GET WHAT YOU WANT BUT IF YOU TRY YOU JUST MIGHT GET WHAT
05:53:28 YOU NEED.
05:53:29 IT'S A GREAT SONG.
05:53:30 WHEN I LOOK AT THIS BUDGET, THE ISSUE IS, WHAT DO WE
05:53:33 NEED, AND WHAT IS THE NEED IN TERMS OF THINGS.
05:53:36 THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I HAD SUBMITTED EARLY ON
05:53:39 FOR THE BUDGET, SOME OF WHICH HAVE COME OUT, SOME OF
05:53:41 WHICH HAVEN'T.
05:53:43 BUDGETS AREN'T ALWAYS BLACK AND WHITE.
05:53:45 THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT OF GRAY.
05:53:47 I NEVER VOTED IN MY BUDGET IN MY TWO AND A HALF YEARS ON
05:53:50 COUNCIL WRITE GO, THERE'S NOTHING BAD IN THAT AND
05:53:52 EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
05:53:53 AND I VOTED FOR TWO BUDGETS.
05:53:55 THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES IN THERE.
05:53:56 ONE THING COUNCILMAN GUDES, THIS IS A SENIOR CENTER YOU
05:53:59 ARE TALKING ABOUT?
05:54:01 AND ARTS?
05:54:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] SENIORS HAVE THEIR SAY,
05:54:06 AND WE NEED TO HAVE A SAY AS WELL.
05:54:09 WE HAVE NO PLACE FOR OUR KIDS TO DANCE, PERFORMANCES.
05:54:15 WE HAVE TO TRAVEL, HAVE VANS AND BUSES TO TAKE OUR KIDS
05:54:21 TO THE CITY.
05:54:22 I THINK THAT'S NOT FAIR.
05:54:24 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. ROGERO, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DESIGN OF
05:54:27 THIS ENDEAVOR YET, OR IS THIS JUST AN IDEA THAT HAD BEEN
05:54:31 FORWARDED THIS YEAR WITHOUT A DESIGN?
05:54:33 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE, I WAS TALKING.
05:54:35 THE DESIGN --
05:54:37 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, COUNCILMAN GUDES PROPOSED EAST TAMPA,
05:54:39 THE CULTURAL SENIOR CENTER.
05:54:42 THEREIN HAS BEEN NO DESIGN FUNDED?
05:54:44 >>DENNIS ROGERO: NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
05:54:46 AND MY STAFF IS TELLING ME THERE HAS NOT BEEN.
05:54:49 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
05:54:49 JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN FISCAL YEAR
05:54:53 2018 BUDGET, I PROPOSED TO MAYOR BUCKHORN THAT WE FUND A
05:54:58 DESIGN FOR AN AUTISM PARK TO TAKE PLACE IN NEW TAMPA.
05:55:01 I WANTED TO SEE THAT PARK AS PART OF THIS BUDGET.
05:55:04 WE WILL BE PUSHING HARD FOR IT NEXT YEAR CERTAINLY.
05:55:06 BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS A GOOD STEP.
05:55:08 I JUST SUGGEST AS A POTENTIAL COMPROMISE, WHICH IS A
05:55:11 DESIGN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
05:55:13 BECAUSE BEFORE YOU DO CONSTRUCTION, YOU HAVE GOT TO DO
05:55:16 DESIGN.
05:55:19 JUST MY EXPERIENCE.
05:55:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE
05:55:22 SAYING.
05:55:22 BUT WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS DESIGN MODE FOR YEARS OVER
05:55:24 THERE.
05:55:27 WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR DESIGNS FOR YEARS.
05:55:28 I HAVE GOT A CRA THAT HAS MONEY AND WE WOULD ASK IN
05:55:32 HAVING ROADBLOCKS, AND WE HAVE A CRA THAT HAS MONEY FOR
05:55:37 INFRASTRUCTURE.
05:55:38 I'M JUST TIRED OF PUSHBACK.
05:55:40 AND I'M SORRY.
05:55:42 I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE BUDGETED ITEMS.
05:55:45 BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE NOW.
05:55:50 MR. MIRANDA SAID IT PERFECTLY.
05:55:52 OUR HE ELDERLY AND OUR CHILDREN.
05:55:54 AND HEY, IT'S EAST TAMPA, THEY ARE ALWAYS YELLING AND
05:55:58 CRYING.
05:55:58 BUT WE ARE YELLING AND CRYING BECAUSE WE GET NOTHING.
05:56:00 AND THIS BUDGET SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE SO OUR COMMUNITY
05:56:05 SEE, HEY, THIS COUNCIL'S ADMINISTRATION SEES THE NEEDS.
05:56:08 WE UNDERSTOOD.
05:56:09 WE HEARD YOUR CRIES.
05:56:10 AND I'M JUST NOT BACKING UP.
05:56:13 I CAN'T BACK UP AND I HAVE TO BE THE BULLY PULPIT FOR MY
05:56:18 COMMUNITY AND MY DISTRICT AND I AM NOT BACKING OFF THE
05:56:20 ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE MONEY FOR THAT
05:56:22 SENIOR/CULTURAL ARTS CENTER AND A FULL-TIME FAIR RESCUE.
05:56:28 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I WANT TO CHECK REQUEST ADMINISTRATION
05:56:30 YOU ALL'S POSITION ON THESE CHANGES ON FIRE, IN
05:56:35 COUNCILMAN GUDES' DISTRICT, WHAT NET EFFECT THAT WOULD
05:56:38 HAVE ON THE BUDGET, JUST SO WE HAVE A CLEAR POSITION OF
05:56:40 ALL POSITIONS.
05:56:43 ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE HAVE A TEN-MINUTE BREAK?
05:56:47 OKAY.
05:56:48 WE SHALL RETURN IN TEN MINUTES.
05:56:49 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
05:56:50
05:56:50 [COUNCIL IN RECESS]
06:16:43
06:17:52 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
06:17:54 >> CITY COUNCIL RETURNS.
06:17:56 ROLL CALL.
06:17:57 [OFF MICROPHONES]
>>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
>>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
>>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
>>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
>>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
06:18:06 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:18:06 WE RETURN.
06:18:08 COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAD A COMMENT OR A QUESTION.
06:18:11 GO AHEAD, SIR.
06:18:12 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
06:18:14 WE HAVE A NEW COUNCIL AND NEW MAYOR.
06:18:16 THREE OF US HERE FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
06:18:18 AND WE REVIEWED THE POWERS OF THE MAYOR VERSUS THE CITY
06:18:22 COUNCIL.
06:18:24 BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF WHAT'S BEING DONE IN
06:18:26 TERMS OF RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR IS
06:18:29 TRADITION OR CUSTOM INSTEAD OF STARTING WITH THE SPIRIT
06:18:34 OF THE CHARTER AND MOVING BEYOND THAT.
06:18:36 AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SETTING UP LOTS OF CONFLICTS.
06:18:39 I WISH IN THE BUDGET THAT WE COULD LOOK DIFFERENTLY GOING
06:18:42 FORWARD.
06:18:43 THERE WERE A LOT OF -- TRUE OR NOT THERE WERE A LOT OF
06:18:46 ACCUSATIONS THAT THE LAST MAYOR WOULD RIDICULE CITY
06:18:51 COUNCIL AND SAY THEY DIDN'T APPROVE MY BUDGET.
06:18:53 AND I TALKED LAST TIME ABOUT COMING BEFORE. THIS MAYOR
06:18:56 HAS SETH SAID TO ME PRIVATELY AND I'M SURE YOU ALL TOO
06:18:59 THAT THIS IS NOT HOW SHE WANTS TO OPERATE, SHE WANTS TO
06:19:02 WORK IN A COLLEGIAL WAY.
06:19:04 I HOPE WHATEVER HAPPENS TONIGHT, WITH JOHN HERE AND
06:19:07 DENNIS AND OTHERS, I HOPE NEXT YEAR WE CAN COME UP WITH A
06:19:11 NEW PROCESS WHATEVER THE CUSTOM WAS BEFORE, WHATEVER
06:19:15 MUSCLE MEMORY THERE IS FROM THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, I HOPE
06:19:18 THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY FOR THE NEXT FOUR
06:19:20 YEARS AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ENGAGE IN A DIFFERENT
06:19:23 WAY.
06:19:24 THIS MAYOR INHERITED THIS BUDGET MOSTLY BECAUSE IT'S
06:19:27 PARTLY THROUGH THE YEAR, AND I HOPE THAT NEXT YEAR AS WE
06:19:32 LOOK AT IN THE APRIL, WHATEVER DENNIS SAID LAST TIME,
06:19:35 THAT WE CAN MAYBE GIVE OUR INPUT AS A GROUP AND HAVE A
06:19:39 COLLEGIAL CONVERSATION EARLY ON, AND THEN TRY TO GIVE AN
06:19:44 INDICATION WHEREOF WE CAN GO SO BY THE TIME WE ARE HERE
06:19:47 WE DON'T END UP WITH THESE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS.
06:19:49 I HOPE HOWEVER WE VOTE TONIGHT, I HOPE THE INTENT OF CITY
06:19:52 COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR IS TO HAVE A COLLEGIAL
06:19:54 RELATIONSHIP.
06:19:55 SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON A PROCESS GOING
06:19:59 FORWARD.
06:19:59 SORRY TO TALK SO LONG BUT JUST INTENT.
06:20:02 I WANTED TO SAY THAT.
06:20:03 >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING WRONG WITH.
06:20:04 THAT ANYONE ELSE?
06:20:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
06:20:08 MR. GUDES, COUNCILMAN GUDES, MADE SOME GOOD POINTS.
06:20:12 HE ASKED SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.
06:20:16 AS RELATED TO THE TWO LARGE ISSUES THAT HE'S BEEN TALKING
06:20:20 ABOUT FOR A WHILE.
06:20:22 AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF MR. BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF
06:20:27 BENNETT, HAS ANY RESPONSES SPECIFICALLY TO HIS TWO
06:20:32 ISSUES, AND THEN I WILL TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE THAT I WAS
06:20:36 CONCERNED ABOUT.
06:20:36 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
06:20:43 I APPRECIATE BEING INVITED UP TO TALK.
06:20:46 AGAIN THE ISSUE WAS -- MEMO WAS ISSUED IN AN ATTEMPT OF
06:20:51 COLLEGIAL EFFORT TO BRING THE RIGHT ASSESSMENT TO THE
06:20:54 ENTIRE CITY ABOUT PLACING THE RIGHT FACILITIES, THE RIGHT
06:20:58 PROGRAMS, THE RIGHT THINGS IN THE RIGHT SPOTS FOR HERE
06:21:01 AND TOMORROW.
06:21:02 WE KNOW WE HAVE DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS.
06:21:04 I KNOW THAT AND OF COURSE THE ADMINISTRATION KNOWS, AND
06:21:08 YOU SAID IT TONIGHT, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NEW, BUT
06:21:11 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE REQUESTS HAVE NOT BEEN GOING ON AND
06:21:13 ON AND ON LIKE HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
06:21:16 I THINK THIS IS A VALIANT ATTEMPT TO -- FROM THE
06:21:20 ADMINISTRATION TO THE COMMUNITY MOSTLY TO SAY THAT WE ARE
06:21:22 GOING TO LOOK AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY, WE ARE GOING TO
06:21:25 MAKE SURE THAT THE FACILITIES GO AND THE PROGRAMS, MOST
06:21:29 IMPORTANTLY, WHETHER IT'S SENIORS OR YOUTH, GO IN THE
06:21:32 RIGHT LOCATION, THAT WILL LAST, AND BE SUSTAINABLE AND
06:21:36 RESILIENT, AS TAMPA SHIFTS ITS SOCIETY AND SOCIAL
06:21:40 CONTRACTS BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO
06:21:43 THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
06:21:45 THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE
06:21:48 THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE CITY, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
06:21:51 WHAT THEIR PROGRAMS ARE, AND WHERE THE PROGRAMS ARE, AND
06:21:54 WHICH ONES ARE EMPTY, AND WHICH ONES ARE FULL.
06:21:57 SO THIS IS A WAY OF ADMINISTRATION COMING BACK OFF OF THE
06:22:02 ASKS OF EAST TAMPA, OFF OF THE ASKS OF THE AUTISM PARK
06:22:06 AND SAY WHERE DO THESE THINGS GO?
06:22:09 IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DRAG OUT.
06:22:10 IT'S A COMMITMENT.
06:22:11 I HAVE BEEN PART OF AN ACTION-DRIVEN GOVERNMENT PROCESS
06:22:14 FOR 35 YEARS.
06:22:16 IT'S NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN NOW.
06:22:18 SO I THINK THE COMMITMENT OF $400,000 IS DIFFERENT THAN
06:22:23 WHAT A COMMITMENT WAS STUDY IN PREVIOUS SCENARIOS.
06:22:25 THIS IS REAL.
06:22:26 IT'S DESIGNED TO PUT THE RIGHT THINGS IN THE RIGHT
06:22:29 ST. PETE.
06:22:29 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BAND-AID.
06:22:31 AND I THINK WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GO FORWARD, AND I SAID IT
06:22:34 BEFORE, CO-CREATE GOVERNMENT TOGETHER, WHICH MEANS THAT
06:22:37 WITH COUNCIL, THE ADMINISTRATION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,
06:22:40 THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT
06:22:43 THE RIGHT FACILITIES IN THE RIGHT SPOT FROM HERE GOING
06:22:46 FORWARD.
06:22:46 I THINK WE CAN BUILD OFF OF THE BEST PRACTICES THAT
06:22:50 OCCURRED.
06:22:50 I HAD A CHANCES TO BE IN WEST TAMPA DURING THE BRIDGES TO
06:22:53 BUSINESS, AN AMAZING PROGRAM, OUT OF CONVERSATION WITH
06:22:57 THE STAFF THERE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO.
06:22:59 YOU KNOW, BEEN IN OTHER PARTS, SPEND MOST OF MY TIME IN
06:23:03 EAST TAMPA, 30 YEARS OF IT PREDOMINANTLY IN NORTH TAMPA,
06:23:07 SEEN A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE PROGRAMS HOW THEY
06:23:11 HAPPEN THERE BUT HOW DO THEY ALIGN WITH THE DEMOGRAPHICS
06:23:14 AND THE OPPORTUNITIES?
06:23:15 WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE AND
06:23:17 EQUITABLE AND I LIVE BY THOSE THREE E's.
06:23:21 I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION LIVES BY THOSE THREE E's.
06:23:24 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SEEING WITH BE THAT
06:23:26 400,000.
06:23:27 AS IT RELATES TO THE EAST TAMPA FIRE RESCUE RESPONSE,
06:23:36 WHEN THAT CAME UP I FIRST ASKED ABOUT LEVEL OF SERVICE.
06:23:38 TO MAKE IT REALLY SIMPLE FOR MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU
06:23:41 HAVE A TIME DISTANCE THING WHEN IT COMES TO RESCUE
06:23:43 SERVICE, AND THEN YOU HAVE HOW MANY CALLS DO YOU HAVE?
06:23:46 SO YOU HAVE CONCURRENCY.
06:23:48 YOU HAVE ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
06:23:50 THE OPPORTUNITY WE HAD IN THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT IN
06:23:53 TIME, AND WHILE THAT MAY NOT BE THE FINAL ANSWER, AT
06:23:56 LEAST IT IS SOMETHING TO TRY TO GO FORWARD, WAS TO
06:24:03 PURCHASE AN ASSET THAT WOULD WORK FOR 16 AND THEN TRY TO
06:24:06 FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE, ONCE I GET MORE DATA, WORKING
06:24:09 WITH THE FIRE STAFF, IS HOW DO WE MOVE FROM PEAK TO FULL
06:24:14 TIME?
06:24:14 THE NUMBER THAT I WAS GIVEN TO PUT A UNIT IN AND STAFF IT
06:24:18 WITH 8 PERSONNEL WAS $1.1 MILLION.
06:24:22 OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT DO THAT, TO PUT
06:24:26 IT IN THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT, SO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION
06:24:31 WAS TO BUY THE ASSET, THE RESCUE CAR, AND THEN STAFF IT
06:24:34 WITH THIS PIQUE ANALYSIS THAT WOULD SERVE THE COMMUNITY
06:24:37 UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE COULD PUT A PERMANENT ASSET IN, NOT
06:24:41 TO MENTION THE REVIEW OF STATION 10 AND WHATEVER KIND OF
06:24:44 RETROFITS OR UPDATES THAT STATION 10 NEEDS.
06:24:48 BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE KNEW THAT 16 AS YOU HEARD EARLIER
06:24:52 FROM ARE THE FIRE UNIT COULD HOUSE THE UNIT.
06:24:54 BUT THERE'S STILL MORE WORK TO BE DONE. THIS IS NOT BY
06:24:57 ANY MEANS THE FINAL ANSWER. THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF
06:25:00 TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE TO MAKE SURE THAT EAST TAMPA HAS
06:25:02 THE RIGHT LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET
06:25:04 THE RESPONSE TIMES THAT ARE WARRANTED.
06:25:07 WE HEARD THE NUMBERS ABOUT THE GAP BETWEEN RESCUE 4 AND
06:25:11 THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, AND THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF
06:25:15 THE FIRE STAFF WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE BUDGET THAT WAS
06:25:19 BALANCED AND DELIVERED ON AUGUST 1st TO BE ABLE TO DO
06:25:21 SOMETHING UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT A FULL-TIME
06:25:25 ASSET IN PLACE.
06:25:26 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
06:25:29 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:25:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IN A NUTSHELL, I THINK WHAT I HEARD
06:25:33 IS THAT YOU HAVE A COMMITMENT TO COUNCILMAN GUDES OVER
06:25:38 THIS NEXT YEAR THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SERIOUSLY
06:25:41 EVALUATE THE 24-HOUR AS SET FORTH UNIT.
06:25:46 >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, I MEAN, I HEARD THE UNION COUNTER
06:25:50 TODAY THAT THE PERSONNEL ARE IN PLACE.
06:25:52 THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I NEED TO HAVE WITH THE FIRE
06:25:54 STAFF AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE TO THE POINT IS, WE
06:25:57 WANT TO DO THINGS EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY, WHICH
06:26:00 MEANS WE WANT TO DELIVER THE RIGHT SERVICE, WE WANT TO DO
06:26:02 IT FOR THE BEST VALUE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO
06:26:05 MAKE SURE THE ENTIRE CITY IS GETTING THE SAME EQUITABLE
06:26:08 OUTCOME AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS.
06:26:10 I AM GOING TO BE A STICKLER WITH THAT IN ALL OF OUR
06:26:13 PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES, IN CONJUNCTION
06:26:17 WITH OUR GREAT STAFF.
06:26:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IN REGARD TO PARKS, I GUESS I'M
06:26:22 HEARING YOUR COMMITMENT FROM YOU AND THE ADMINISTRATION
06:26:25 THAT THAT MASTER PLAN, THAT MASTER EVALUATION AND PLAN
06:26:28 FOR $400,000 WOULD INCLUDE THE AUTISM PARK, AS WELL AS
06:26:33 THE RECREATION CENTER, IN TERMS OF REVIEWING IT,
06:26:38 ANALYZING IT, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE COSTS
06:26:41 AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND MAYBE IT'S A TWO OR
06:26:44 THREE-YEAR PLAN TO GET THERE BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENS
06:26:49 OVERNIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A BIG BUDGET ITEM.
06:26:52 BUT NOT LOOKING FOR ANY COMMITMENT MORE, BUT JUST A
06:26:55 COMMITMENT THAT THAT MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO TAKE A
06:26:57 SERIOUS LOOK AT WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES AND CHAIRMAN VIERA
06:27:02 HAVE SPOKEN TO.
06:27:03 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND I THINK THE GENESIS OF THE CONCEPT
06:27:07 OF THE MASTER PLAN WAS JUST THAT.
06:27:09 IT WAS NOT TO PUT STUDY MONEY IN A VACUUM FOR ONE THING
06:27:13 BUT TO LOOK COMPREHENSIVELY BECAUSE WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN
06:27:16 IS THE STUDY MONEY GOES IN, AND THEN OTHER THINGS HAPPEN,
06:27:19 THE ECONOMY CHANGES.
06:27:20 WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS I SAID ACROSS THE BOARD TO
06:27:25 TAKE CARE OF OUR YOUTH, OUR ELDERLY AND EVERYBODY IN THE
06:27:28 MIDDLE, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT
06:27:30 INCLUSIVE RECREATION, WE HAVE ALL THE THINGS INCLUDING
06:27:32 DOG PARKS, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE STUDIED
06:27:36 COMPREHENSIVELY.
06:27:36 BUT I THINK TO THE POINT THAT I'M HEARING IS THE THINGS
06:27:40 THAT HAVE COME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHATEVER THEY NEED
06:27:44 IN EAST TAMPA, WHATEVER THEY NEED IN NORTH TAMPA, WEST
06:27:46 TAMPA, THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT
06:27:49 COMPREHENSIVELY.
06:27:50 AND THIS MONEY WAS INCREASED AS OPPOSED TO BEING SPOTTY
06:27:54 TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS DONE.
06:27:56 I WANT TO ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN CONVEYED, WE
06:27:59 KNOW IT'S COMING.
06:28:01 THERE'S OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES OUT THEREIN THAN
06:28:04 WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET.
06:28:05 WE HAVE A SUPER BOWL COMING.
06:28:07 I HAVE WORKED THE LAST SEVERAL OF THEM.
06:28:09 I KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
06:28:10 I KNOW WHAT IT INFUSES IN THE COMMUNITY.
06:28:12 ALL THOSE THINGS GET THE CHANCE TO BE MAPPED INTO THE
06:28:15 PLAN.
06:28:16 AND MY HOPE IS THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG, THAT WE
06:28:19 ACTUALLY HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND START DOING THINGS.
06:28:22 I HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH THE PARKS DIRECTOR ABOUT
06:28:25 THESE VERY THINGS IN ALL THE CATEGORIES WE ARE TALKING
06:28:28 ABOUT.
06:28:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THE LAST THING IS MORE
06:28:31 OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, IS MR. BENNETT AND I HAVE
06:28:36 WORKED TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME, 15, 16 YEARS, OFF AND
06:28:39 ON, AND WE HAVE DEVELOPED A LEVEL OF TRUST.
06:28:46 IN REGARD TO THE TBAE ISSUE, WHICH FIVE OF US VOTED FOR
06:28:50 THE OTHER DAY, WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT YET, AND THEY
06:28:54 ARE LOOKING FOR A VOTE TONIGHT ON THE BUDGET, WITHOUT
06:28:58 THAT AGREEMENT, WHICH I AM WILLING TO VOTE FOR.
06:29:01 I'M WILLING TO VOTE IN GOOD FAITH.
06:29:04 I'M HOPEFUL, I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT -- AND PART OF THE
06:29:08 PROBLEM IS HURRICANE.
06:29:10 YOU KNOW, WE WERE WORKING PRETTY WELL FOR A COUPLE OF
06:29:12 DAYS UNTIL THE HURRICANE THREATENED.
06:29:15 ALL OF A SUDDEN MR. BEEN SET WORKING 15 HOURS A DAY ON
06:29:18 HIS HURRICANE PREP, AND I DIDN'T BOTHER HIM WITH THIS
06:29:22 ISSUE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S MINOR IN COMPARISON.
06:29:25 BUT NOW HERE WE ARE TODAY, I AM WILLING TO VOTE ON THE
06:29:29 BUDGET AS PROPOSED.
06:29:31 I THINK IT'S FAIR.
06:29:33 I THINK IT'S FAIR WHAT HE'S SUGGESTED TO YOU AND TO
06:29:36 MR. CHAIRMAN ABOUT YOUR ISSUES, BECAUSE WE ARE JUST
06:29:40 STARTING OUT.
06:29:41 WE ARE ALL JUST STARTING OUT, THE THREE MONTHS INTO THIS
06:29:44 WHOLE THING.
06:29:47 EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER.
06:29:50 SO I'M WILLING TO GO WITH THE BUDGET.
06:29:52 I'M HOPEFUL.
06:29:53 I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT OVER THE NEXT -- WHEN IS THE NEXT
06:29:56 BUDGET HEARING SCHEDULED? THE 17th?
06:30:02 OKAY, THANK YOU.
06:30:03 BY THE 17th, THAT MAYBE HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE
06:30:06 SOMETHING WORKED OUT TO RESPECT THE 5-2 VOTE THAT THIS
06:30:09 COUNCIL TOOK THE OTHER DAY.
06:30:11 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
06:30:12 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
06:30:13 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:30:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF OF STAFF, I RESPECT YOUR COMMENTS.
06:30:22 AND I HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY OFFICE AND SIT DOWN AND THINK
06:30:32 ABOUT WHAT I SAID, THE COMMENTS I SAID.
06:30:36 AND AS I GOT UP, I MADE A COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS TO MY
06:30:42 CONSTITUENTS.
06:30:44 AND ASKED WERE THEY WATCHING?
06:30:45 THEY SAID, WE ARE WATCHING.
06:30:48 AND I SAID, MY MIND IS PUZZLED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE, YOU
06:30:53 KNOW, AS BLACK PEOPLE, WE ARE ALWAYS MADE PROMISES.
06:31:00 WE ARE MADE PROMISES ALL THE TIME.
06:31:09 AND IT HURTS SO BAD WHEN I HEAR WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.
06:31:16 AND WE COME, WELL, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY, OR THE
06:31:20 MONEY FELL SHORT, OR -- AND I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T TRUST
06:31:25 THE ADMINISTRATION.
06:31:25 I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
06:31:27 BUT AS A BLACK MAN WHO HAS BEEN LET DOWN BEFORE BECAUSE
06:31:29 OF PROMISES, IT HURTS, THAT HIM ASKING FOR THINGS THAT
06:31:37 ARE LEGITIMATE.
06:31:44 I'M ASKING WHAT IS OWED TO US, WHAT'S OWED TO THAT
06:31:49 COMMUNITY.
06:31:49 AND IT BOTHERS ME THAT I JUST CAN'T GET SOMETHING.
06:31:55 I CAN'T EVEN GET THE RESCUE -- I HAVE GOT TO FIGHT FOR A
06:32:02 RESCUE CAR.
06:32:03 OKAY, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THE PARK, THE KIDS AND
06:32:08 THE SENIORS, BUT ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS GO OUT AND HAVE A
06:32:12 GOOD TIME.
06:32:14 THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES ALREADY.
06:32:16 THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANTS.
06:32:18 I ASKED THOM SNELLING TO SEND ME A LIST.
06:32:21 I HAVEN'T GOT A LIST YET OF THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANTS.
06:32:25 THERE'S MONEY THERE.
06:32:28 THE CRA HAS MONEY.
06:32:33 I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR.
06:32:36 IT'S UNFAIR.
06:32:39 AND THIS COUNCIL KNOWS.
06:32:41 THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT.
06:32:44 IT'S UNFAIR AND UNREALISTIC TO SAY WE CAN'T DO A DANG
06:32:48 THING, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, PEOPLE ASK FOR
06:32:54 THINGS, WE FIND A WAY.
06:32:55 I GO TO TAMPA HEIGHTS.
06:32:56 WE FIND A WAY TO GET A CRA TO MAKE THAT AREA FOR CERTAIN
06:33:00 PEOPLE.
06:33:01 WE FIND A WAY.
06:33:02 I WANT TO FIND A WAY FOR THE MIDDLE CORE.
06:33:06 FIND A WAY.
06:33:10 I CAN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANYTHING IF I CAN'T GET
06:33:13 SOMETHING FOR A COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN UNDER SERVED FOR
06:33:17 MANY, MANY YEARS.
06:33:18 I YIELD BACK.
06:33:19 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:33:20 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:33:21 NO? OKAY.
06:33:23 YOU KNOW, I'LL SAY SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER,
06:33:28 BUILDING ON WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID.
06:33:32 I KNOW IF WE GO FORWARD HERE TODAY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE
06:33:36 MASTER PLAN, I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE STEPPING OUT IN
06:33:41 FAITH, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT NEXT YEAR, AND WITH
06:33:45 REASONABLE, VERY REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS THAT THE THINGS
06:33:49 THAT WE ARE COMPROMISING ON TODAY, PROSPECTIVELY
06:33:52 COMPROMISING ON TODAY, WILL BE THERE.
06:33:55 I THINK IT'S 100% CERTAIN TO SAY THAT THIS COUNCIL IS 7-0
06:34:00 BEHIND THE IDEA OF AN AUTISM PARK IN NEW TAMPA.
06:34:04 I KNOW IT'S A FACT THAT THIS COUNCIL IS 7-0 BEHIND NOT
06:34:09 ONLY A SENIOR AND ARTS CENTER IN EAST TAMPA, BUT OTHER
06:34:12 ENDEAVORS, AND OTHER INITIATIVES IN EAST TAMPA, TO SAY
06:34:14 THAT EAST TAMPA IS UNDERSERVED IS ONE HECK OF AN
06:34:19 UNDERSTATEMENT, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.
06:34:21 WE ALL KNOW THAT.
06:34:22 IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED TONIGHT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED,
06:34:25 AND WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, AND THE ADDITIONAL
06:34:28 INVESTMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS FOUGHT FOR AND BEEN
06:34:31 ABLE TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THAT ISSUE.
06:34:33 I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF THAT, AND THAT'S
06:34:36 CERTAINLY TRUE WITH REGARDS TO BE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES
06:34:38 FOR FAMILIES, SENIORS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT'S
06:34:41 CERTAINLY SEWING THAT IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD HERE
06:34:44 TONIGHT WE WOULD BE STEPPING OUT IN GOOD FAITH, YOU KNOW.
06:34:47 WE HAD A LOT OF PRIVATE DISCUSSIONS ON A LOT OF CONCERNS
06:34:51 THAT I HAD.
06:34:51 SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH REGARDS TO COPELAND PARK, TACOMA
06:34:56 PARK.
06:34:56 WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE SOME GOOD RESOLUTIONS ON.
06:34:59 SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE CONTINUED TILL NEXT YEAR.
06:35:01 AGAIN THAT'S STEPPING OUT IN GOOD FAITH.
06:35:02 AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, AND I
06:35:05 WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THIS.
06:35:07 IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BUDGET BUT
06:35:09 IT WAS THE FACT THAT YOU, MR. BENNETT, HAVE HAD TRIAL BY
06:35:12 FIRE, SO TO SPEAK.
06:35:14 YOU COME ON WHEN THE HURRICANE COMES, AND NOW THIS ISSUE.
06:35:16 AND SO WITH THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE
06:35:20 RECOGNIZE, JUST FOR WHATEVER THAT ACCOUNTS FOR, WE
06:35:22 APPRECIATE.
06:35:23 BUT AGAIN IF WE GO FORWARD TONIGHT WITH THIS MASTER PLAN,
06:35:26 WE ARE THINKING OF A MASTER PLAN, AND IT'S STEPPING OUT
06:35:29 IN GOOD FAITH, AND I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S SOMETHING
06:35:32 IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
06:35:35 ANYONE ELSE?
06:35:44 WELL, NEXT, IF COUNCIL HAS NOTHING ELSE TO SAY, WE WOULD
06:35:47 MOTION TO ADOPT THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE, AND A MOTION
06:35:52 TO VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING.
06:35:55 AND WITH REGARDS TO THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE, WHAT IS
06:36:00 THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
06:36:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MILLAGE
06:36:07 RATE.
06:36:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:36:10 [OFF MICROPHONE] I MOVE TO ADOPT THE BUDGET FOR THE
06:36:14 FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2019 --
06:36:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. MIRANDA.
06:36:20 IF WE CAN JUST -- TO BEGIN WITH A MOTION, JUST TO ADOPT
06:36:25 THE MILLAGE RATE AND THEN WE'LL DO IT AS TWO MOTIONS,
06:36:29 PLEASE.
06:36:30 ACTUALLY IT JUST REQUIRES A STATEMENT.
06:36:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE TO ADOPT THE MILLAGE RATE
06:36:34 WHICH IS -- JUST A SECOND TO FIND IT HERE.
06:36:42 6.2076 MILLS.
06:36:43 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:36:48 SECOND I BELIEVE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:36:50 ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
06:36:52 OKAY.
06:36:53 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:36:56 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION PRIVATE LIP
06:36:57 BUT FOR ANYBODY WATCHING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME, SOMEONE
06:37:00 CONFIRMED THAT'S THE SAME AS LAST YEAR.
06:37:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, AT THIS TIME SAME AT LAST YEAR.
06:37:06 >>DENNIS ROGERO: CONFIRMED, SIR.
06:37:11 >>LUIS VIERA: THEREFORE, WE DO A MOTION TO VOTE ON
06:37:13 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING.
06:37:14 AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WOULD DO THAT.
06:37:16 AND ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD?
06:37:18 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THE
06:37:21 ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING, AND WITH RESPECT TO MY
06:37:23 COLLEAGUES, ANYBODY HAVE ANY MOTIONS, ANY COMMENTS
06:37:26 BEFORE?
06:37:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
06:37:33 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. SHELBY, IF COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS
06:37:35 ADDITIONAL MOTIONS WITH REGARD TO SPENDING PRIORITIES
06:37:38 WITH REGARDS TO THE BUDGET, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, SHOULD
06:37:40 THAT BE DONE BEFORE THE FIRST READING ORDINANCE?
06:37:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: [OFF MICROPHONE]
06:37:46 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:37:48 GO AHEAD, SIR.
06:37:50 >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD YOU TELL US LEGALLY WHAT'S THE
06:37:52 EFFECT OF A MOTION NOW?
06:37:53 >>SAL TERRITO: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
06:38:03 THE MOTION IS PUTTING ON THE RECORD THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU
06:38:05 WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
06:38:06 IT IS NOT ADOPTING ANYTHING.
06:38:10 >>LUIS VIERA: A SENTIMENT, IF YOU WILL.
06:38:11 >>SAL TERRITO: YES.
06:38:12 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
06:38:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE THAT DONE BY
06:38:20 THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET, A POST ADOPTION BUDGET
06:38:27 RESOLUTION RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR BASED ON THE
06:38:29 CONVERSATIONS.
06:38:31 WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE DONE OR SHOULD THAT HAVE TO BE DONE
06:38:33 BY MOTION TONIGHT?
06:38:34 IN OTHER WORDS, TO COME BACK AT SECOND READING IF THAT
06:38:37 WAS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE?
06:38:38 >>SAL TERRITO: I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU.
06:38:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS A RECOMMENDED BUDGET BY THE
06:38:43 MAYOR.
06:38:43 THE MAYOR PROPOSED THE BUDGET, RECOMMENDS PER THE
06:38:47 CHARTER.
06:38:47 IT IS NOW COUNCIL'S DECISION TO CHOOSE WHETHER TO ADOPT
06:38:51 IT TONIGHT, OR MAKE AMENDMENTS TO IT IF IT SO CHOOSES.
06:38:59 WHETHER THAT IS A POLICY DECISION IS UP TO COUNCIL.
06:39:02 THE QUESTION IS, THEY LEGALLY CAN DO THAT TONIGHT IF
06:39:05 THAT'S THEIR PLEASURE.
06:39:07 WOULD YOU AGREE?
06:39:08 >>SAL TERRITO: THAT'S CORRECT.
06:39:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
06:39:10 BUT THE MECHANISM TO DO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESOLUTION
06:39:13 OR A CHANGE TO THE BUDGET TO BE BROUGHT BACK AT SECOND
06:39:16 READING, IF IT WERE TO PASS.
06:39:18 >>SAL TERRITO: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
06:39:21 IF THERE WAS A MOVE TONIGHT TO CHANGE THE BUDGET TONIGHT,
06:39:26 THEN THEY ARE NOT ADOPTING THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED.
06:39:29 SO WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE DOING IS ASKING THEM TO GO
06:39:31 BACK TONIGHT AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO BRING BACK TO YOU
06:39:34 ON SECOND READING.
06:39:35 TWO OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE REALLY.
06:39:37 ONE OF THEM IS IF THEY ARE NOT MAJOR CHANGES, THEY CAN BE
06:39:41 MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. IF THEY ARE MAJOR
06:39:45 CHANGES, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TONIGHT.
06:39:49 THE OTHER THING THAT YOU CAN DO IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
06:39:52 EARLIER, IS THAT IF YOU GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE
06:39:54 ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY THESE MOTIONS ARE MADE THAT THEY
06:40:00 WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THEM THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO
06:40:03 CHANGE THIS BUDGET BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION WILL COME
06:40:04 BACK IN OCTOBER ON THE FIRST MEETING THAT YOU HAVE IN
06:40:07 OCTOBER AND PROPOSE THOSE BUDGET CHANGES.
06:40:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO THAT COUNCIL KNOWS, THAT WITH REGARD
06:40:15 TO THE BUDGET, THE MAYOR DOES HAVE THE POWER WITHIN THE
06:40:18 CHARTER FOR A LINE ITEM VETO.
06:40:20 IS THAT CORRECT?
06:40:21 >>SAL TERRITO: THAT'S CORRECT.
06:40:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN THAT, A VETO
06:40:25 FROM THE MAYOR WOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST FIVE VOTES.
06:40:27 >>SAL TERRITO: CORRECT.
06:40:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
06:40:31 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:40:34 >>BILL CARLSON: SO THERE IS A MECHANISM TO AMEND THE
06:40:35 BUDGET.
06:40:36 IT'S NOT JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
06:40:37 THERE IS A MECHANISM TO AMEND, TO APPROVE IT AS AMENDED.
06:40:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
06:40:42 IT'S A MORE INVOLVED PROCESS BUT IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE
06:40:44 PAST, YES.
06:40:45 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES, DID YOU WISH TO MAKE
06:40:51 YOUR MOTION, SIR?
06:40:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
06:40:54 SO MR. SHELBY, BEFORE I MAKE THIS MOTION, I WISH TO AMEND
06:40:59 MY MOTION, WHAT I AM PROPOSING TO GO INTO THE BUDGET NOW,
06:41:04 CORRECT?
06:41:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR INTENT IS,
06:41:06 NORMALLY WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST IS IT'S ACTUALLY A
06:41:11 TWO FOLD PROCESS.
06:41:12 NUMBER ONE, IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR MONEY TO BE ADDED FOR
06:41:15 THE BUDGET, NORMALLY IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION
06:41:18 THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION OF WHAT THE
06:41:20 FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE AS PART OF THE MOTION.
06:41:24 THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, MR. TERRITO.
06:41:26 >>SAL TERRITO: THE BUDGET PROPOSES A FINITE BUDGET.
06:41:34 IT'S NOT A MATTER OF APPROPRIATING MORE MONEY.
06:41:36 THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH MONEY COMING IN.
06:41:38 YOU HAVE TO MOVE MONEY.
06:41:39 YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING MOVED FROM
06:41:41 AND TO.
06:41:43 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, SIR, NOW THAT WE HAVE
06:41:45 APPROVED THE MILLAGE RATE, IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE
06:41:47 WITHIN -- I DOESN'T WANT TO SAY A STRAITJACKET, WHATEVER
06:41:52 YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
06:41:53 WE ARE WITHIN --
06:41:56 >>SAL TERRITO: THE MILLAGE RATE CAN BE LOWERED AT YOUR
06:42:00 NEXT MEETINGS.
06:42:00 IT CANNOT BE RAISED.
06:42:02 >>LUIS VIERA: GO AHEAD.
06:42:03 ANYONE ELSE?
06:42:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE
06:42:07 $2 MILLION THAT WAS ASKED FOR, FOR THE COMMUNITY CULTURAL
06:42:11 ARTS CENTER, BE ALLOCATED FROM THE RESERVE FUNDS FOR
06:42:18 APPROVAL.
06:42:19 AS AMENDED.
06:42:25 SECOND FOR PURPOSES OF SEDUCTION.
06:42:29 >>LUIS VIERA: SECONDED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
06:42:32 LET'S DISCUSS.
06:42:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE A DESIGN OR PLAN OR
06:42:38 ANYTHING WITH THIS $2 MILLION CENTER?
06:42:40 HAS IT BEEN DISCUSSED?
06:42:41 IS THERE ANYTHING OR NO?
06:42:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, JUST FOR PURPOSES -- SORRY TO
06:42:47 INTERRUPT, MR. ROGERO, BUT IF YOU COULD PUT INTO THE
06:42:50 CONTEXT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND HOW THE
06:42:55 PROJECTS FIT INTO THE PRESENT BUDGET, WOULD THIS BE IN
06:43:00 ADDITION THEN TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS
06:43:02 PROPOSED?
06:43:03 WOULD THIS THEN BE IN ADDITION TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT
06:43:06 PLAN AS HAS BEEN PROPOSED?
06:43:08 BECAUSE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SETS FORTH A FIVE
06:43:11 YEAR PLAN FOR BUDGET PROGRAMS.
06:43:14 >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WOULD, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT
06:43:17 WOULD, IF APPROVED, AMEND OR REVISE THE SUBMITTED CAPITAL
06:43:22 IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
06:43:23 IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCIL, NO, IT HAS NOT BEEN
06:43:26 A DESIGN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET.
06:43:28 YOU HEARD THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAY WE ANTICIPATE THE NEEDS
06:43:31 OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WILL BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF
06:43:34 THAT MASTER PLAN, AND I ONE GUESS THAT A POTENTIAL
06:43:41 COMMUNITY CENTER, AND AL BARNES WOULD BE PART OF THAT
06:43:44 MASTER PLAN, OR THE POTENTIAL FOR IT, I SHOULD SAY, YES.
06:43:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SINCE THE MOTION SAYS TAKING MONEY
06:43:52 OF THE RESERVES, WHAT DOES IT NEED TO BE AT, 20%?
06:43:56 WHAT ARE THEY NOW, 23%?
06:43:58 >>DENNIS ROGERO: OUR POLICY IS 20%.
06:44:01 WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT MAINTAINS IT.
06:44:03 AND I AM GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT MAINTAINS IT AT 23%.
06:44:08 NO NUTSHELL, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, IN THE IDEAL WORLD,
06:44:13 INCREASE TO THE MAINTAIN AND MAYBE IMPROVE OUR CREDIT
06:44:16 RATINGS.
06:44:17 AND THE REASON I KEEP SAYING MAINTAIN IS FURTHER TO OUR
06:44:20 DISCUSSION EARLIER, JUST TWO YEARS AGO, OUR GENERAL FUND
06:44:23 BALANCE WAS $96 MILLION, AND 23%.
06:44:29 YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE SUBMITTED BUDGET THAT AS YOU HEARD
06:44:32 IS $106 MILLION.
06:44:35 10 MORE MILLION DOLLARS AND YET THE PERCENTAGE IS STILL
06:44:39 23%.
06:44:41 BECAUSE THE PERCENTAGES ALWAYS BASED ON OUR EXPENDITURES,
06:44:44 AND AS OUR BUDGET AND SPENCE EXPENDITURES GO UP THE MONEY
06:44:47 REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT PERCENTAGE GOES UP.
06:44:50 SO YOU HAVE ADDED $10 MILLION, BUT FROM THE CREDIT
06:44:54 RATINGS PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE MERELY MAINTAINED OUR
06:44:58 FINANCIAL STRENGTH.
06:45:00 IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
06:45:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO 106 MILLION.
06:45:04 104 MILLION PLUS, WHAT, 22 AND CHANGE PERCENT?
06:45:08 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
06:45:09 SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
06:45:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
06:45:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU MENTIONED CREDIT RATING.
06:45:16 WHAT IF ANY EFFECT, IN YOUR OPINION -- AND I KNOW YOU ARE
06:45:20 NOT IN CHARGE OF GIVING US A CREDIT RATING -- DUE TO THE
06:45:25 CREDIT RATING OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I KNOW WE FOR TWO OR
06:45:27 THREE YEARS DID EXTRAORDINARILY TO GET TO WHERE IT'S AT
06:45:32 TODAY, AND THEN FROM 08 ON, WE HAD A DOWNFALL AND ALL OF
06:45:37 US SUFFERED.
06:45:38 THE WHOLE COUNTRY SUFFERED.
06:45:39 >> YES, SIR.
06:45:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:45:42 SO HOW DO THE RATERS RATE, CREDIT RATERS, FITCH,
06:45:48 WHATEVER, WALL STREET, RATE OUR RATINGS, WHERE SOME ARE
06:45:52 DOUBLE A, SOME ARE TRIPLE A, SOME ARE PLUS, SOME ARE
06:45:56 MINUS.
06:45:57 WHAT EFFECT IF ANY DOES THAT DO TO THE CREDIT RATING AS
06:46:01 FAR AS MAKING THE PAYMENTS WHEN YOU MAKE YOU'RE PAYMENTS?
06:46:04 IS THE INTEREST RATE GOING TO GO UP?
06:46:06 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
06:46:07 IN SIMPLEST TERMS, WE RISK -- AND I WOULD BET WE
06:46:10 GUARANTEE THAT THE INTEREST PAYMENTS ON ANY DEBT WE INCUR
06:46:14 WILL GO UP.
06:46:16 IT WILL BE BASED PRIMARILY THINK FRANKLY ON TWO THINGS.
06:46:19 THE FUNDING SOURCE, AND WHY WE ARE INCURRING THE DEBT.
06:46:22 WE HAVE ANY NUMBER OF DEBT ISSUANCES THAT HAVE REALLY,
06:46:25 REALLY GOOD CREDIT RATINGS AND THEN WE HAVE AN ISSUER
06:46:28 CREDIT RATING WHICH BASICALLY SPEAKS TO YOUR CAPABILITY
06:46:31 AND WILLINGNESS TO PAY YOUR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS.
06:46:35 THAT IS ONE OF PRIMARY IMPORTANCE TO US IS THAT GENERAL
06:46:39 ISSUE OR CREDIT RATING BE MAINTAINED, AND IF WE CAN,
06:46:43 IMPROVE, ALTHOUGH WE ARE VERY, VERY HIGH RIGHT NOW.
06:46:47 BUT THAT'S A LONG ANSWER.
06:46:48 THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YES, WE RISK PAYING MORE FOR DEBT WE
06:46:52 INTEND ON INCURRING IN THE FUTURE.
06:46:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
06:46:58 >>LUIS VIERA: OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?
06:46:59 YOU KNOW, MY BIG CHALLENGE IS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE $2
06:47:05 MILLION THAT'S BEING SOUGHT, HAVING SOME SORT OF -- LET
06:47:09 ME ASK YOU, THIS MASTER PLAN, DOES THAT CREATE A DESIGN
06:47:12 FOR THIS?
06:47:14 OR IS THE DESIGN STILL A LOCATION, A DESIGN, THE
06:47:19 TRADITIONAL AVENUES THAT WE AT FOR DEVELOPMENTS?
06:47:22 >>DENNIS ROGERO: A FEW THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
06:47:25 WE'LL TAKE THE RESULTS OF THAT MASTER PLAN, WHICH IDEALLY
06:47:28 WILL TELL US WHAT AND WHERE WE NEED COMMUNITY WIDE AND
06:47:31 THEN WE'LL IDENTIFY THE PROJECTS THAT COME FROM THAT
06:47:33 MASTER PLAN AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES FOR BOTH THE
06:47:36 DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS.
06:47:40 SO THE MASTER PLAN WILL SIMPLY GIVE US SOME GREAT
06:47:43 INFORMATION AND GREAT DATA AS TO WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN
06:47:46 THE COMMUNITY.
06:47:46 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
06:47:51 GO AHEAD, SIR.
06:47:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, A BRIEF COMMENT.
06:47:54 [RUSTLING PAPERS] SORRY.
06:47:57 WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT THAT RESERVE NUMBER IS, AND I KNOW
06:48:04 THE CFO IS GIVING A GOOD ARGUMENT, BUT IN REALTIME, REAL
06:48:11 MONEY, $2 MILLION AIN'T 105 MILLION, 106 MILLION.
06:48:19 AS FAR AS DESIGN, WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR DESIGNS FOR
06:48:22 MANY, MANY YEARS.
06:48:25 I CONTEND, THERE'S FUNDING IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET.
06:48:29 AND THERE'S FUNDING IN THE CRA TO HAVE ALMOST $6 MILLION.
06:48:34 SO I DON'T SEE A SHORTFALL THERE.
06:48:36 I DON'T SEE -- IF SOMETHING CAME UP, IF IT'S AN ADDED
06:48:41 EXPENSE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT CRA WOULD NOT PUT THAT EXTRA
06:48:44 DOLLAR AMOUNT TO HELP FUND THE PROJECT.
06:48:46 SO AS FAR AS THE DESIGN PHASE, IF YOU GOT UPFRONT MONEY,
06:48:50 GOT MONEY TO BUILD, YOU CAN BILLED AND DESIGN YOU WANT.
06:48:54 FOR ME THAT'S NOT A BIG ARGUMENT.
06:48:56 FOR ME THERE'S MONEY.
06:48:57 AND TWO OR THREE OF THE SOURCES THAT WE CAN GET TO GET
06:49:01 THIS PROJECT MOVING.
06:49:02 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:49:06 DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
06:49:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A COMMENT.
06:49:08 I AM GOING TO SUPPORT YOU BECAUSE YOUR COMMUNITY DESERVES
06:49:11 IT AND A LOT MORE.
06:49:12 THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
06:49:13 SO YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT ON THIS.
06:49:15 I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
06:49:17 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
06:49:23 PLEASE.
06:49:26 >>BILL CARLSON: MY NUMBER ONE GOAL IN THE BUDGET WAS TO
06:49:28 INCREASE THE RESERVE.
06:49:29 I THINK IT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE THE WAY IT WAS BURNED DOWN,
06:49:34 THE RECESSION, IN 2009 AND WE DIDN'T STOP PULLING FROM IT
06:49:38 UNTIL 2014.
06:49:39 BUT KEEPING THE PERCENTAGE AT 23% IS, I THINK, A GREAT
06:49:44 ACHIEVEMENT BY THIS MAYOR AND MR. ROGERO AND STAFF.
06:49:49 THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CONVINCE ME NOT TO PUT THE
06:49:53 MONEY IN IS EAST TAMPA, I THINK IT'S REPREHENSIBLE THE
06:50:01 WAY EAST TAMPA AND AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY WERE
06:50:04 TREATED THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
06:50:06 I PERSONALLY HEARD LOTS OF STORIES.
06:50:07 WE GAVE AN AWARD TO SOMEONE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TO
06:50:11 SOMEONE WHO WAS TREATED VERY BADLY AND WE NEED TO DO
06:50:13 SOMETHING TO CHANGE THAT.
06:50:14 AND I HOPE THAT WE'LL DO IT THROUGH THE CRA, AND WHATEVER
06:50:18 OTHER VEHICLES WE HAVE.
06:50:20 I WISH IT WASN'T 2 MILLION.
06:50:22 I WISH THERE WAS SOME OTHER WAY WE COULD DO IT BESIDES
06:50:25 GIVING THE 2 MILLION.
06:50:26 BUT SHORT OF COMING UP WITH A LOWER AMOUNT, I WOULD
06:50:30 SUPPORT THIS ONLY BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE
06:50:33 WAY THE CITY TREATS EAST TAMPA AND AFRICAN AMERICAN
06:50:36 COMMUNITY AND WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO IGNORE IT.
06:50:38 IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTIVISTS THAT SHOW UP EVERY WEEK.
06:50:40 IT'S THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO JUST FEELS LIKE THE CITY HAS
06:50:43 IGNORED THEM.
06:50:44 AND THE TRUTH IS THAT THE CITY DID IT FOR EIGHT YEARS.
06:50:46 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
06:50:48 I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE $2 MILLION.
06:50:56 WELL, STRIKE THAT.
06:50:57 FIRST QUESTION, CRA MONEY.
06:50:59 CAN CRA MONEY BE USED FOR THIS?
06:51:02 >> I BELIEVE IT CAN.
06:51:05 >>LUIS VIERA: WOULD THAT COME OUT OF THE RESERVE CRA
06:51:07 MONEY?
06:51:10 >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WOULD NOT COME -- WELL, YOU ARE
06:51:13 ASKING IF IT WOULD COME FROM THIS PARTICULAR RESERVE WE
06:51:15 ARE TALKING ABOUT?
06:51:16 IT WOULD NOT.
06:51:17 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
06:51:18 LET'S EXPLORE THAT POSSIBILITY.
06:51:20 I MEAN, IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL TO INVEST MORE
06:51:23 IN EAST TAMPA, CONSENSUS THAT I CERTAINLY SUPPORT, AND WE
06:51:27 CAN LOOK AT SOME SORT OF A COMPROMISE WITH CRA, BUT CAN
06:51:31 THAT BE DONE TONIGHT? THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW.
06:51:34 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
06:51:40 >>LUIS VIERA: EXACTLY.
06:51:42 >>DENNIS ROGERO: AT THE RISK OF INTERRUPTING YOU, SIR, I
06:51:44 WOULD GUESS IT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
06:51:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, I MEAN, THAT APPEARS TO BE A
06:51:51 COMPROMISE.
06:51:51 AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS HERE THAT WE COULD TAKE,
06:51:55 YOU KNOW, 250,000, 500,000, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, AND THE
06:52:00 CRA FOR THE REMAINDER.
06:52:02 THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
06:52:04 >>BILL CARLSON: ALONG THOSE LINES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
06:52:08 MENTIONED THAT THE MONEY BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CRA
06:52:11 AND THE CONVENTION CENTER. IS THERE SOME KIND OF
06:52:14 MECHANISM LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN FIND?
06:52:17 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE CRA
06:52:19 FUNDING AND THE PROCESS.
06:52:20 THE DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY HAS WANTED ME TO CLARIFY OR
06:52:24 SUGGEST THAT I CLARIFY, AND I AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE THE
06:52:27 CRA BOARD THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT ACTION TO GIVE THE
06:52:29 MONEY, OF COURSE THAT'S YOU ALL BUT UNDER A DIFFERENT
06:52:34 GUISE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SEMI ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION
06:52:37 OR NOT.
06:52:37 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK, IF I MAY -- AND I APOLOGIZE.
06:52:40 I KNOW OTHER FOLKS WANT TO SPEAK.
06:52:42 BUT MAYBE SOME POTENTIALLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION
06:52:45 CLARIFYING WHERE FUNDS COULD COME FROM.
06:52:47 COULD MAYBE SET COUNCIL MEMBERS AT EASE.
06:52:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
06:52:55 THERE WAS DISCUSSION WITH THE EAST TAMPA CRA THAT PERHAPS
06:52:58 THERE COULD BE A 50-50.
06:53:00 A MILLION DOLLARS COMING FROM THE CRA AND A MILLION
06:53:02 DOLLARS COMING FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA'S GENERAL FUND OR
06:53:05 RESERVE FUND.
06:53:06 I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT COMPROMISE IN THIS.
06:53:12 IF WE GET THE EAST TAMPA CRA TO AGREE TO THAT.
06:53:17 I WOULD BE ALL FOR THAT.
06:53:19 BECAUSE THAT WOULD LEAVE THE $108,000 FOR TBA.
06:53:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I'M WILLING TO COMPROMISE, AND
06:53:30 YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT AS A CRA BOARD MEMBER.
06:53:32 YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT HERE.
06:53:33 BECAUSE IT'S GOING BACK TO WANTS AND NEEDS, THAT
06:53:37 COMMUNITY LIKE YOU SAID, YOU ARE HUNGRY, AND IF I THINK
06:53:41 BACK OF BIG THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN EAST TAMPA -- AND I'M
06:53:44 TALKING ABOUT BEYOND THE DOWNTOWN AREA IN YBOR CITY, IT'S
06:53:47 VERY OFTENTIMES IGNORED.
06:53:48 AND THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE GOOD ON THAT AND
06:53:53 INVESTING IN THAT AREA.
06:53:57 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE PIECE OF FEEDBACK FROM THE EAST TAMPA
06:54:00 COMMUNITY, DON'T USE THE CRA MONEY FOR THINGS THE CITY
06:54:02 WOULD PAY FOR IN OTHER AREAS.
06:54:05 SO IF THIS KIND OF COMMUNITY CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT
06:54:08 TYPICALLY A CRA WOULD FUND, THEN FINE.
06:54:11 BUT IF FOLKS IN EAST TAMPA SEE AMENITIES BEING BUILT IN
06:54:17 OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY BUT NOT BEING BUILT IN EAST TAMPA
06:54:19 OR MAINTAINED IN EAST TAMPA, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE
06:54:22 MAINTAIN THOSE.
06:54:23 SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
06:54:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND YOU ARE CORRECT, MR. CARLSON, THAT
06:54:28 WAS THE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT TO ME SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I
06:54:30 THOUGHT ABOUT THE COMMENT AT FIRST BUT THE CITY OWES THIS
06:54:34 TO US.
06:54:35 AND THEY ARE RIGHT.
06:54:36 NOW, THEY ARE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BE DO
06:54:38 TO HELP OUT.
06:54:39 BUT THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS THEY WANT TO DO IN EAST
06:54:42 TAMPA AS WELL.
06:54:43 AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE 2 MILLION BECAUSE
06:54:48 THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WORK FOR COMMUNITIES AND
06:54:52 THEY HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS,
06:54:55 HASN'T HAPPENED, AND IF THERE'S A SHORTFALL, WHATEVER,
06:55:00 THE CRA CAN COME IN AND GIVE MONEY TO THAT PROJECT, AND
06:55:02 THEN WE HAVE GOT WHAT WE NEED.
06:55:04 SO THAT'S WHY I WAS STEADFAST ABOUT THE 2 MILLION.
06:55:06 BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.
06:55:07 THAT'S THEIR CONCERN, PROJECTS THE CITY WOULD NORMALLY
06:55:11 DO, THEY SHOULD BE DOING.
06:55:13 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY SOMETHING TO THAT, WHICH IS WE ARE
06:55:15 DEALING WITH A MORE CONSTRAINED CONSERVATIVE BUDGET.
06:55:18 THEREFORE AS IT APPLIES TO THIS YEAR, THIS ISN'T A
06:55:20 PROJECT THAT'S BEING DONE IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.
06:55:23 AND WE ARE WILLING TO STEP OUT, I THINK, I DON'T WANT TO
06:55:29 SAY UNORTHODOX FASHION, BUT WILLING TO STEP OUT IN A MORE
06:55:32 CONSERVATIVE CONSTRAINED YEAR, WHERE SUCH A COMPROMISE
06:55:35 MAY --
06:55:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I RESPECT YOUR LEADERSHIP
06:55:38 AGAIN.
06:55:39 AND I CAN COMPROMISE AND GET WITH THE CRA CHAIRMAN, AND
06:55:47 I'M SURE THEY WILL GO ALONG WITH IT, BUT MAKE SURE WE GET
06:55:50 SOME GENERAL REVENUE DOLLARS FOR THE PROJECT.
06:55:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, SIR.
06:55:56 COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT BETWEEN FIRST AND
06:55:59 SECOND READING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CONFIRMATION THROUGH
06:56:02 THE EAST TAMPA CRA?
06:56:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
06:56:05 I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
06:56:08 I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, TO BE HONEST,
06:56:11 MR. CITRO.
06:56:12 I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO GET A LITTLE ANTE
06:56:16 FROM THE CITY'S PORTION, I BELIEVE, THE CITIES CITIZENS
06:56:19 IN EAST TAMPA, THERE'S MONEY THERE, AND THEY WANT TO SEE
06:56:22 SOMETHING IN EAST TAMPA.
06:56:23 I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, SIR.
06:56:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:56:28 >>DENNIS ROGERO: COUNCIL, THERE'S BEEN NO DESIGN, BEEN
06:56:33 NO COST ESTIMATE THAT I AM AWARE OF ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
06:56:35 COMMUNITY CENTER.
06:56:36 FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE
06:56:39 THERE'S NO BASIS FOR A $2 MILLION FIGURE. WE SIMPLY
06:56:42 DON'T KNOW ENOUGH NOW.
06:56:43 SECONDLY, AGAIN, HOPEFULLY, I HAVE EXPLAINED THE
06:56:47 POTENTIAL RAMIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH REDUCING THE FUND
06:56:51 BALANCE FROM A CREDIT RATING PERSPECTIVE.
06:56:53 I WOULD ALSO REMIND YOU, AS WE FORECAST THE FUTURE, WE
06:56:57 SEE CONTINUING CHALLENGES AHEAD.
06:57:00 AGAIN, PICK UP THE PAPER, WATCH THE TV, AND DEPENDING ON
06:57:05 WHAT TIME IT IS, THE ECONOMY IS DOING GREAT OR THE
06:57:07 ECONOMY IS NOT DOING GREAT.
06:57:09 MY POINT IS YOU WILL RECALL OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT SHORING
06:57:12 UP THE RESERVES IN THE PAST, AND DIPPING INTO THEM TO GET
06:57:15 US THROUGH THE GREAT RECESSION.
06:57:17 I WOULD REMAINED COUNCIL THAT IN OUR OPINION, CHALLENGES
06:57:21 REMAIN FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE AHEAD OF US.
06:57:23 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY COMMENT TOWARDS THAT.
06:57:26 THAT IS ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS -- AND AGAIN, I
06:57:30 AM WILLING TO GO ON BOARD WITH THIS.
06:57:32 BUT BIG CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A
06:57:37 DESIGN FOR THIS.
06:57:38 THERE'S NO LAND WHERE THIS WOULD BE PLACED ON.
06:57:42 WE HAVE AN ASPIRATION, THAT I THINK WE CAN GET BEHIND,
06:57:47 BUT PART OF THAT 2 MILLION, IF THIS THING GOES THROUGH,
06:57:51 WOULD HAVE TO GO TO DESIGN.
06:57:53 CORRECT?
06:57:54 I WOULD THINK SO.
06:57:55 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
06:57:56 WE HAVE TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE FOR DESIGN, APART FROM
06:57:59 CONSTRUCTION.
06:58:01 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE WOULD BE A BRINGING ISSUE OF
06:58:02 EXPECTATIONS, I THINK.
06:58:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I AM
06:58:06 JUST GOING TO SAY THE WORD HOGWASH.
06:58:08 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
06:58:11 A MILLION DOLLARS IS NOTHING TO A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
06:58:14 I DON'T CARE HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
06:58:16 A MILLION DOLLARS -- YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE ME A FIRE
06:58:19 TRUCK AT $600,000.
06:58:21 YOU TELL ME A MILLION BUCKS?
06:58:23 COME ON.
06:58:23 LET'S GET REAL.
06:58:24 LET'S GET REALLY REAL HERE.
06:58:30 NOT ONE IOTA. AND I HAVE GOT TO SAY.
06:58:33 THAT IT'S UNREALISTIC OF YOU TO SAY THAT.
06:58:39 $6 MILLION, TAKE A MILLION OUT OF THAT, IT'S GOING TO
06:58:41 KILL OUR RATING?
06:58:42 I'M SORRY.
06:58:43 THAT'S NOT GOING TO KILL OUR RATING.
06:58:44 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
06:58:46 AND NOBODY IN FINANCIAL WOULD SAY THAT. A MILLION
06:58:49 DOLLARS IS NOT GOING TO KILL OUR RATING.
06:58:51 SO WE HAVE A BIG HUGE PARK OUT THERE ARE THAT'S DORMANT,
06:58:54 AND IT CAN CERTAINLY GO ON.
06:58:58 AND I KNOW FOR A FACT WHAT THE EAST TAMPA CRA HAS IN
06:59:02 THEIR COFFERS.
06:59:04 AND WE GIVE A MILLION DOLLARS, THEY GET TO FUND THE REST.
06:59:07 THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED.
06:59:08 THEY HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IT.
06:59:09 I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHATEVER PHASE OR GET IT DONE, IF
06:59:14 THERE'S MONEY IN BOTH THOSE FUNDS, COUNTY BE BUILT,
06:59:16 PERIOD.
06:59:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I RECALL, THE MOTION
06:59:22 ON THE FLOOR PRESENTLY AND SECONDED FOR DISCUSSION
06:59:25 PURPOSES WAS FOR THE $2 MILLION.
06:59:27 THAT'S WHEREFORE WE STAND NOW.
06:59:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
06:59:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN A MOTION TO
06:59:36 AMEND WOULD BE IN ORDER.
06:59:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
06:59:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS THE SECONDER, I'LL SECOND IT.
06:59:53 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. SHELBY, SHOULD WE GIVE MORE
06:59:55 SPECIFICITY TO IT TO THE POINT THAT MR. ROGERO WAS
06:59:59 MAKING, THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED,
07:00:05 AND SHOULD IT GO INTO SOME KIND OF BUDGET OR ACCOUNT?
07:00:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS OF NOW, THE FUNDING SOURCE WAS THE
07:00:10 UNDESIGNATED FUND BALANCE, IF I RECALL.
07:00:13 >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
07:00:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEYOND THAT, YOUR QUESTION IS, SHOULD
07:00:17 HE PUT MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND IT?
07:00:20 I THINK HE SAID FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER.
07:00:22 WHAT WERE THE WORDS USED?
07:00:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A SENIOR/CULTURAL ARTS CENTER.
07:00:27 SO SENIORS, CULTURAL ARTS, GYMNASTICS, WHATEVER, BUT --
07:00:32 >> AND WHERE EXACTLY?
07:00:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AL BARNES PARK.
07:00:40 >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE ANY OTHER SPECIFICITY WE NEED?
07:00:43 >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE ONLY THING I COULD OFFER IS WE
07:00:44 SIMPLY DON'T KNOW IF $2 MILLION WOULD BE ENOUGH OR TOO
07:00:48 LITTLE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGN.
07:00:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD IT BE ADDED TO THE CAPITAL -- AS
07:01:01 A RESULT OF THIS MOTION, ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD
07:01:02 ULTIMATELY PASS, IT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE CAPITAL
07:01:06 IMPROVEMENT?
07:01:07 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, WE WOULD REFLECT IT IN THE CAPITAL
07:01:09 IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THE BEGINNING OF FISCAL YEAR 20.
07:01:13 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S CALL THE VOTE.
07:01:17 ANYBODY ELSE HAVE BEEN ANY COMMENT BEFORE WE PROCEED TO
07:01:19 VOTE? OKAY.
07:01:20 WE HAVE A MOTION FORWARDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED
07:01:23 BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
07:01:24 ALL IN SUPPORT?
07:01:26 ANY SUPPOSED?
07:01:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY INQUIRE, MR. TERRITO, WHAT
07:01:30 THEN IS THE PROCESS --
07:01:37 >>SAL TERRITO: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
07:01:38 BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READING THEY'LL BRING THE
07:01:40 BUDGET CHANGE BACK TO YOU OR THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A
07:01:43 RESOLUTION THAT WILL COME TO YOU IN THE OCTOBER MEETING
07:01:46 DEPENDING ON HOW THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO DO IT. IF
07:01:49 THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY WILL CHANGE THE BUDGET,
07:01:51 AFTER THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, AND YOU TAKE THEM AT THEIR
07:01:54 WORD, WHICH THEY ALWAYS HAVE IN THE PAST, YOU CAN DO IT
07:01:56 THAT WAY, OR MAKE A CHANGE IN THE BUDGET THAT COMES BACK
07:01:59 TO YOU FOR SECOND READING.
07:02:00 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY TO CLARIFY IN TERMS OF OUR
07:02:03 DIRECTION THAT MOTION WAS DIRECTING THAT FUND COME FROM
07:02:06 THE RESERVES, CORRECT?
07:02:07 THAT WAS THE SPECIFICITY.
07:02:08 OKAY.
07:02:09 JUST TO MAKE SURE.
07:02:14 >>BILL CARLSON: FROM THE MONEY THAT WAS GOING TO BE
07:02:16 ALLOCATED TO THE RESERVES.
07:02:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
07:02:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE ANY QUESTION FROM STAFF?
07:02:25 >>JOHN BENNETT: CAN I GET A CLARIFYING QUESTION?
07:02:28 I UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS MOTIONED AND WHAT WAS VOTED ON.
07:02:31 BUT I HEARD THE CLARIFICATION, THE SPECIFICITY ON THE
07:02:35 RESERVES.
07:02:36 BUT IS IT THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDING OR THE FUNDING THAT'S
07:02:39 RECOMMENDED?
07:02:43 MY POINT BEING, THERE'S A CRA, THERE'S A CRA STRATEGIC
07:02:46 PLAN OF COURSE FOR EACH COMMUNITY.
07:02:48 AND I RESPECT THAT PILE OF MONEY AND HOW THAT PROCESS
07:02:51 WORKS.
07:02:51 BUT JUST USING THE TARGET OF $2 MILLION, IS IT REALLY
07:02:56 MATTER THE SOURCE AS LONG AS WE REACH THE GOAL BETWEEN
07:02:58 THE DESIGN AND BUILD?
07:03:00 AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS IF THE RESERVES, YOU
07:03:03 KNOW, SEEM TO BE IN JEOPARDY AS REVIEWED BY THE
07:03:06 ADMINISTRATION, IS THERE A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE
07:03:09 THAT'S ELIGIBLE TO REACH THE GOAL?
07:03:12 SO IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR, DOES IT MATTER WHAT THE
07:03:16 FUNDING SOURCE IS?
07:03:16 AND I WILL JUST EXPLAIN, COULD IT BE A GRANT?
07:03:19 COULD IT COME FROM THE NFL SUPER BOWL MONEY?
07:03:22 IS IT THE TARGET?
07:03:23 OR IS IT THE FUNDING SOURCE THAT'S ON THE TABLE?
07:03:29 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD SUCK THAT WE EXCLUDE THE CRAs
07:03:31 BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE BODY THAT WOULD MAKE A SEPARATE
07:03:34 DECISION AND WE ARE LOOKING TO GET GRANT MONEY FROM THERE
07:03:36 BUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION GOES BACK AND SHARPENS THE
07:03:38 PENCIL AND FIGURES OUT WHERE ELSE THE MONEY WOULD COME
07:03:40 FROM AND MOVING THINGS AROUND, SHOULD WE MAKE AN
07:03:43 AMENDMENT TO OUR AMENDMENT?
07:03:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BENNETT, I HEAR WHERE YOU ARE
07:03:50 COMING FROM BUT I AM NOT SURE WE CAN DO THAT TONIGHT
07:03:52 BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM LEGAL IS WE NEED SOME
07:03:54 SPECIFICITY IN OUR MOTION IN TERMS OF WHERE IT'S GOING
07:03:58 AND WRITS COMING FROM, IN OUR MOTION.
07:04:00 AND THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS PASSED.
07:04:03 WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS, LET'S SAY A MONTH FROM NOW, WHEN
07:04:06 THE DUST SETTLES, IF THERE'S A BETTER IDEA FROM DENNIS
07:04:10 AND HIS GANG, COME BACK TO US WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
07:04:14 BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE AGENDA HAS BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
07:04:18 AND YOU GUYS COULD SAY, LOOK, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S THE
07:04:21 BEST PLACE.
07:04:22 AND I DON'T THINK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION REALLY CARES
07:04:25 WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM NECESSARILY.
07:04:27 BUT IT COULD BE IN THE FORM OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT.
07:04:30 AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH THAT TONIGHT.
07:04:33 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEAVE IT
07:04:36 LOOSE.
07:04:37 I THINK IT'S A LITTLE RISKIER TO LEAVE IT LOOSE IN THE
07:04:40 AIR AND JUST SAY, YOU GUYS FIND THE MONEY OVER THE NEXT
07:04:44 TWO WEEKS.
07:04:45 I THINK IF YOU JUST DID IT RIGHT OUT OF THE RESERVE AND
07:04:48 LIKE I SAY COME BACK A MONTH FROM NOW WHEN WE HAVE A
07:04:51 BETTER PLAN, I'M SURE THIS COUNCIL WILL BE AMENABLE TO
07:04:54 YOU.
07:04:54 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.
07:04:58 IN THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE
07:05:00 SURE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION RESPECTS THE FACT, HENCE THE
07:05:03 $400,000 OF THIS STUDY, IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
07:05:06 APPLY EQUITY AND OPPORTUNITY, EFFICIENCY AND
07:05:10 EFFECTIVENESS IN THE DELIVERABLES CITY-WIDE.
07:05:13 AND IF THAT LANDS IN AL BARNES PARK, THEN THAT'S
07:05:15 FANTASTIC.
07:05:16 THE FUNDING SOURCE TO ME TO REACH THE GOAL IS PART OF OUR
07:05:19 RESPONSIBILITY AND LEADERSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN
07:05:22 SUSTAIN THE RESERVES, BUT YET MEET THE GOALS OF THE
07:05:25 COMMUNITY.
07:05:26 AND THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT IF WE FIND AN
07:05:30 ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCE TO MEET THOSE GOALS IN THE
07:05:33 RIGHT COMMUNITIES AT THE RIGHT SPOT, THE RIGHT TIME FOR
07:05:35 THE RIGHT PROGRAMMING, IS COUNCIL PHILOSOPHICALLY
07:05:39 AGREEABLE THAT WHATEVER THE FUNDING SOURCE IS, TO REACH
07:05:41 THE GOAL IS AGREEABLE?
07:05:44 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF LEGAL?
07:05:46 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, OR BY THE SECOND READ
07:05:50 BEING, CAN THE ADMINISTRATION JUST COME BACK AND SAY, WE
07:05:53 SUGGEST IT COME OUT OF THIS BUCKET INSTEAD OF THE ONE WE
07:05:56 RECOMMENDED?
07:05:56 OR DOES IT HAVE TO STAND AS IT IS?
07:05:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE
07:06:02 AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT THE TIME YOU COULD COME
07:06:04 WITH A RESOLUTION.
07:06:05 >>SAL TERRITO: THE SUGGESTION THAT I AM THINKING ABOUT
07:06:08 IS MAYBE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO GIVE IT MORE FLEXIBILITY
07:06:10 BALKS RIGHT NOW YOU ARE KIND OF LOCKING IT IN.
07:06:12 IF IT COMES FROM ANOTHER SOURCE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN LIKE
07:06:16 YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM.
07:06:19 THE OTHER THING IS IF THE MONEY COMES IN, THAT MONEY
07:06:22 COULD THEN BE USED TO REPLENISH THE RESERVE THAT THE
07:06:25 MONEY HAS COME OUT OF.
07:06:28 YOU HAVE GIVEN IT NO FLEXIBILITY AT ALL.
07:06:30 AND SOMEONE MAY HAVE ANOTHER IDEA FOR THE MONEY, WE FOUND
07:06:34 THE MILLION DOLLARS, YOU WANT TO SPEND IT HERE, BUT NOW
07:06:35 WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT BACK IN RESERVES, YOU WANT TO
07:06:36 SPEND IT ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
07:06:37 SO YOU HAVE REALLY LOCKED IT IN THE WAY YOU HAVE DONE IT
07:06:39 RIGHT NOW.
07:06:40 THAT'S YOUR DECISION BUT YOU HAVE REALLY LOCKED IT IN.
07:06:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THE ADMINISTRATORS
07:06:46 AND THE MAYOR ARE FOCUSED ON THE RESERVES.
07:06:49 I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO DO THAT.
07:06:51 IF WE CAN PROVIDE ANY FLEXIBILITY, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE
07:06:54 WOULD WORD IT.
07:06:55 BUT I THINK WE WOULD EXCLUDE CRA, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I'M
07:07:02 MAKING UP THESE WORD, BUT IF WE AMEND IT TO SAY THAT WE
07:07:05 PROPOSE THAT IT WOULD COME FROM THE MONEY INTENDED TO
07:07:08 INCREASE THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE, HOWEVER WE WOULD BE
07:07:13 OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO OTHER
07:07:17 FUNDING.
07:07:18 RIGHT?
07:07:18 >> AND YOU DON'T CARE WHERE IT COMES FROM.
07:07:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
07:07:25 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, TECHNICALLY, WE WOULD HAVE
07:07:28 GREATER THAN $50,000 FROM THE RESERVE AND SOME ADDITIONAL
07:07:31 FUNDS FROM OTHER SOURCES.
07:07:32 I'M SURE THAT -- I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, WHICH IS
07:07:36 CERTAINLY WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON LIKE I SAID ISSUES
07:07:38 LIKE TAN COMA PARK, COPELAND PARK, ET CETERA.
07:07:44 TRUST IT WOULD COME FROM THOSE FUNDS OBVIOUSLY.
07:07:46 BUT WHENEVER IT COMES TO OTHER ISSUES, CERTAINLY, WE CAN
07:07:48 HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.
07:07:49 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I COULD MAKE ONE COMMENT, PROVIDING
07:07:57 FLEXIBILITY, THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND
07:07:59 $400,000 TO COME BACK AND NOT LOOK FOR FUNDING TO
07:08:03 FACILITATE THOSE OUTCOMES.
07:08:05 AND THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF, I THINK, WHAT WE ARE ADVISING,
07:08:09 THAT ONCE THE STUDIES ARE DONE, THEN YOU WANT TO PUT
07:08:11 THOSE INTO ACTION.
07:08:12 WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SPEND $400,000 IF YOU WEREN'T GOING
07:08:17 TO BREAK GROUND?
07:08:18 SO THE LOOKING FOR THE SPOT TO BREAK GROUND, BALANCE THE
07:08:22 PROGRAM AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE
07:08:24 $400,000.
07:08:26 I THINK WHAT I AM TRYING TO PROPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
07:08:29 WHATEVER FUNDING SOURCE WE ARE LOOKING FOR, TO BREAK
07:08:31 GROUND, IN WHATEVER COMMUNITY, IS THAT THERE'S
07:08:34 FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT TO GET THE RIGHT OUTCOME
07:08:37 CITY-WIDE, WHICH GOES BACK TO THAT EQUITY ASPECT.
07:08:40 TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO THRIVE NO MATTER WHAT
07:08:43 DEMOGRAPHIC.
07:08:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOOD FOR WHATEVER FUNDING SOURCE
07:08:48 THAT YOU CAN COME UP FOR THAT $1 MILLION WITH AL BARNES
07:08:53 PARK.
07:08:53 I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
07:08:54 AND 400,000 FROM YOUR STUDY, I'M GOOD WITH THAT TOO.
07:08:59 BUT THAT 1 MILLION FOR AL BARNES, IT CAN COME FROM
07:09:03 WHEREVER YOU FIND IT.
07:09:04 >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
07:09:09 >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE MAKE A MOTION?
07:09:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT'S YOUR MOTION, YOU CAN RESTATE
07:09:12 THE MOTION.
07:09:13 >> SO DO YOU WANT --
07:09:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND WITH
07:09:21 REGARD TO AN ALTERNATIVE -- IT'S WHOEVER WANTS TO DO IT.
07:09:25 IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
07:09:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE
07:09:31 PREVIOUS MOTION, THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS FOR A MILLION
07:09:35 DOLLARS TO THE AL BARNES PARK AND THAT ALLOCATION IN ANY
07:09:39 FORM OF A FUNDING SOURCE WITHIN THE CITY BUDGET.
07:09:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CRA.
07:09:48 AND IT'S YOUR DESIRE THEN TO HAVE THAT DETERMINED BY THE
07:09:51 ADMINISTRATION AND BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL BY SECOND
07:09:54 READING.
07:09:55 BUDGET ON THE 17th?
07:09:56 IS THAT THE DATE?
07:09:58 >> SECOND.
07:09:58 >> 17th, YES.
07:10:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, EXCUSE ME.
07:10:08 YOU MADE YOUR MOTION ORIGINALLY FOR 2 MILLION.
07:10:11 AFTER I SAID, WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THE CRA TO MAKE 1
07:10:14 MILLION AND 1 MILLION OF THE CITY.
07:10:16 BUT IN YOUR MOTION IT WILL BE $2 MILLION.
07:10:19 IF YOU ARE EXCLUDING THE CRA.
07:10:32 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE ORIGINAL MOTION, IT WAS JUST
07:10:35 A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE CITY AND THEN THE SITTING AS A
07:10:38 CRA WE ALL KIND OF VERBALLY SAID THAT WE WOULD BE
07:10:39 SUPPORTIVE OF FINDING OTHER --
07:10:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE JUST TALKING THE $1 MILLION.
07:10:47 >>BILL CARLSON: I ONLY BRING UP CRA BECAUSE HE MENTIONED
07:10:49 IT.
07:10:49 SO THAT FIRST MILLION DOLLARS WOULD NOT COME FROM THE
07:10:52 CRA.
07:10:52 MAYBE A MATCHING MILLION DOLLARS.
07:10:53 BUT THE FIRST MILLION DOLLARS WOULD NOT.
07:10:57 AND DO WE NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT -- DO WE NEED TO SAY
07:11:01 THAT WE RECOMMEND IT COME FROM A SPECIFIC SOURCE?
07:11:04 BECAUSE I THINK THAT LANGUAGE CAME FROM YOUR
07:11:05 RECOMMENDATION.
07:11:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
07:11:08 AND JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE CALENDAR, THE CRA DOES MEET
07:11:15 BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING OF THE BUDGET.
07:11:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER.
07:11:22 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
07:11:22 WE HAVE --
07:11:26 >> I'LL SECOND IT.
07:11:29 >>LUIS VIERA: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
07:11:31 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:11:33 ANY OPPOSED?
07:11:36 OKAY.
07:11:42 GO AHEAD, SIR.
07:11:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LAST AND FINAL FOR ME FOR TONIGHT
07:11:48 REFERENCE TO THE FIRE RESCUE CAR IN EAST TAMPA.
07:11:52 AGAIN, I'M HUMBLED THAT WE TRIED TO MAKE SOME
07:11:57 CONCESSIONS, BUT WE DIDN'T CROSS THE FINISH LINE.
07:12:00 I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.
07:12:01 THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TALKED ABOUT THAT.
07:12:03 CHIEF OF STAFF IS GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT.
07:12:06 SO I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION WILL NOW GO BACK AND LOOK
07:12:09 INTO THAT BEFORE OUR SECOND READING, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT
07:12:14 MAKING THAT CAR A FULL-TIME CAR IN EAST TAMPA.
07:12:18 SO IF I SHOULD MAKE THAT MOTION NOW OR THAT THE STAFF
07:12:26 WILL GO BACK AND ADDRESS THAT.
07:12:28 >> 100% COMMITTED TO GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT IT.
07:12:37 WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT IS THAT A LEVEL OF STAFFING IS IN
07:12:39 PLACE.
07:12:40 AND IF THAT'S ULTIMATELY GOING TO SAVE THE CITY MONEY AND
07:12:43 PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE, THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
07:12:46 BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WAS OFFERED IN
07:12:49 THE MEMORANDUM WAS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MOVING THE NEEDLE
07:12:53 FORWARD, AND TO MAKE SURE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IS MEETING
07:12:55 THE REQUIREMENTS, AND NOT IMPACT THE BUDGET TO ANY GREAT
07:12:59 SEVERITY PENDING A FULL-TIME ASSET.
07:13:01 BUT IF THE DATA IS SHOWN OTHERWISE, THEN I AM HAPPY TO GO
07:13:05 BACK AND REVIEW THAT.
07:13:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WISH YOU WOULD DO THAT.
07:13:09 THANK YOU, SIR.
07:13:10 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO PROBLEM.
07:13:13 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:13:13 NEXT, BEFORE WE DO THE MOTION TO VOTE ON ORDINANCE FOR
07:13:16 FIRST READING, I WANT TO SEE IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY
07:13:19 QUESTIONS D.YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
07:13:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, AND MINE
07:13:23 IS MINUSCULE.
07:13:24 I FEEL LIKE THE WOMAN IN "ITS A GOOD LIFE" ASKING FOR
07:13:28 $7.50.
07:13:30 AT THIS TIME FUNDING FOR TBA FROM ANY SOURCE POSSIBLE,
07:13:34 THAT THAT FUNDING BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR $108,000.
07:13:37 >> SECOND.
07:13:39 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY DISCUSSION?
07:13:40 OKAY.
07:13:42 I WILL SAY FOR MY OWN VIEW, I AM GOING TO VOTE THE SAME
07:13:45 WAY I DID BEFORE.
07:13:46 I GUESS IT WAS LAST THURSDAY WHEN WE VOTED ON THIS.
07:13:49 AND MY REASON WILL BE THAT I DON'T MIND GOING BACK FOR
07:13:52 MORE MONEY FOR THINGS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE THE
07:13:54 ADMINISTRATION AND I HAVE HAD A VERY, VERY LONG DIALOGUE
07:13:56 OVER THE LAST WEEK FOR BASIC IMPROVEMENTS.
07:13:59 I COULD SHOW YOU ALL THE PICTURES OF THE UPGRADES THAT I
07:14:02 HAVE REQUESTED FOR TACOMA PARK, FOR COPELAND PARK.
07:14:06 YOU HAVE A BOARDWALK OUT THERE THAT IS LITERALLY SUNKEN
07:14:11 AND WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT IN THIS BUDGET.
07:14:13 TACOMA PARK, NEAR BUSCH BOULEVARD, NEEDS A LOT OF TLC AND
07:14:19 WE ARE GOING TO GET A LOT OF TLC IN THIS BUDGET.
07:14:22 I AM WILLING TO FIGHT FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES' PARK IN HIS
07:14:27 DISTRICT WHICH ARE REAL, REAL NEEDS.
07:14:29 AND AGAIN, I COME IN WITH A BUDGET REQUEST THAT I HAVE
07:14:34 FOR MY DISTRICT STANDING WITH MY FRIEND, COUNCILMAN GUDES
07:14:36 FOR THAT.
07:14:39 I JUST CAN'T DO IT TO THAT LEVEL.
07:14:42 I MUST BE TRUE TO MYSELF IN THAT REGARD IN TERMS OF MY
07:14:45 BELIEFS.
07:14:47 THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
07:14:49 AND WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
07:14:50 YES, SIR?
07:14:53 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
07:14:55 MANISCALCO.
07:14:56 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:14:56 ANY OPPOSED?
07:14:58 OKAY.
07:15:02 >>CLERK: VIERA AND MIRANDA VOTING NO.
07:15:05 >>LUIS VIERA: NOW BEFORE WE GO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
07:15:08 EVERYTHING IS GOOD TO GO?
07:15:09 >> INCLUDE THE $108,000 TO FUND TBAE.
07:15:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY THE SPECIFIC
07:15:22 FUNDING SOURCE.
07:15:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DENNIS, PLEASE HELP ME ON THIS ONE.
07:15:28 IS THAT GENERAL FUNDING?
07:15:30 >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE COULD TAKE IT FROM GENERAL FUNDING,
07:15:32 IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
07:15:34 IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ONE THING.
07:15:36 MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE MOTION WAS ACCEPTABLE FROM ANY
07:15:40 APPLICABLE FUNDING SOURCE.
07:15:41 >> AND IT WAS.
07:15:47 WHETHER IT BE FROM A GRANT OR WHATEVER AS TO COUNCILMAN
07:15:51 GUDES' MOTION.
07:15:52 >> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
07:15:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY CLARIFY.
07:15:55 IS THAT COUNCIL'S DECISION RELATIVE TO MAKING SURE IT'S
07:15:58 PASSED SECOND READING, OR HAVING AN AFFIRMATION FROM THE
07:16:01 ADMINISTRATION AS TO WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO
07:16:03 HAVE IT POST-BUDGET ADOPTION TO COME BACK?
07:16:08 WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE RESOLVED BY SECOND READING?
07:16:11 >> I BELIEVE SO, YES.
07:16:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: A SIMPLE HANDSHAKE, WHICH WE JUST GOT.
07:16:17 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE MOVE THE ORDINANCE, ANYBODY ELSE
07:16:19 HAVE ANYTHING?
07:16:20 JUST MAKING SURE.
07:16:21 OKAY.
07:16:22 TO OUR MUCH ESTEEMED FINANCE CHAIR, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,
07:16:25 IF YOU SIR COULD MOTION TO VOTE AN ANSWERER ON FIRST
07:16:29 READING.
07:16:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING
07:16:31 THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2019
07:16:35 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2020, AS PRESENTED BY THE MAYOR,
07:16:39 PROVIDING FOR LEVY AS SUCH AS PROVIDED BY LAW OF A TAX ON
07:16:45 ALL TAXABLE PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND FIX THE
07:16:48 MILLAGE RATE WITHIN THE SAID CITY, MAKING APPROPRIATIONS
07:16:52 IN ACCORDANCE WITH BE THE PROVISIONS OF SAID BUDGET,
07:16:56 AUTHORIZING THE DIRECTOR, THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK AS THE
07:17:00 PROPER AUTHORITIES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TO CERTIFY THE
07:17:04 PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA THE
07:17:07 MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED FOR ALL PURPOSES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR
07:17:11 OF 2020 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA PROVIDING AN
07:17:14 EFFECTIVE DATE.
07:17:14 >> SECOND.
07:17:15 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,
07:17:17 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
07:17:19 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:17:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EYE.
07:17:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AYE.
07:17:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AYE.
07:17:31 >>LUIS VIERA: AYE.
07:17:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
07:17:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
07:17:37 AYE.
07:17:42 >>BILL CARLSON: YAY.
07:17:42 >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE] MOTION CARRIED.
07:17:47 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION TO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 17.
07:17:51 >>LUIS VIERA: IF COUNCIL HAS NOTHING ELSE --
07:17:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
07:17:56 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THAT'S JUST TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC
07:17:59 HEARING.
07:18:00 OKAY.
07:18:00 YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION AFTERWARDS.
07:18:01 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
07:18:05 I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
07:18:07 I'M SORRY, JUST MAKING SURE.
07:18:08 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:18:10 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
07:18:12 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:18:13 ANY OPPOSED?
07:18:13 NOW WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL BUSINESS.
07:18:15 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
07:18:32 >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
07:18:33 I'M SO SORRY.
07:18:34 >>SAL TERRITO: THEY WERE BOTH ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
07:18:41 THAT WAS THE INTENTION.
07:18:42 YOU DID THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
07:18:44 SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON THE 17th, YOU WILL BE VOTING
07:18:46 ON THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
07:18:49 AND YOU WILL ALSO BE TAKING UP THE RESOLUTION FOR
07:18:51 APPROVAL AT THAT TIME.
07:18:52 BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING COVERED BOTH THE OPERATING AND THE
07:18:56 CAPITAL BUDGET.
07:18:57 >>LUIS VIERA: SO I DON'T HAVE TO MOTION SEPARATELY.
07:18:59 >>SAL TERRITO: WELL, YOU COULD MOTION THEM SEPARATELY
07:19:02 BUT OUT DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC INPUT IS WHAT
07:19:05 I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
07:19:06 WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MOTION TO HAVE
07:19:12 THE CAPITAL BUDGET BE HEARD ON THE 17th.
07:19:16 >>LUIS VIERA: WILL ANYONE SO MOVE?
07:19:19 >> MOVED.
07:19:20 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
07:19:21 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
07:19:24 ANY OPPOSED?
07:19:25 OKAY.
07:19:25 THANK YOU FOR THAT.
07:19:26 THANK YOU.
07:19:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE COUNCIL'S BUDGET AND ADVISORY
07:19:35 COMMITTEE TO APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL FOR TEN
07:19:39 MINUTES PRESENTATION ON THE RECOMMENDATION AND INSIGHT AT
07:19:39 THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER
07:19:41 17th AT 5:01 P.M..
07:19:42 >> SECOND.
07:19:48 [NO ENCODER]
07:20:14 [NO ENCODER]
07:21:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO THE COMMENDATION, I WOULD
07:22:00 LIKE TO PRESENT ONE TO THE AKILAH INSTITUTE WHICH IS
07:22:05 CELEBRATING THEIR 10th ANNIVERSARY. THIS IS SORT OF
07:22:08 A TAMPA-BASED AND STARTED ORGANIZATION THAT WENT OVER TO
07:22:11 RWANDA TO CREATE A WOMAN'S HIGH SCHOOL AND NOW A COLLEGE,
07:22:19 AND NOW THEY ARE GOING ON FURTHER TO CREATE THE DAVIS
07:22:22 UNIVERSITY AFTER, I GUESS, DAVIS FAMILY, AND WONDERFUL --
07:22:28 CODY DAVIS.
07:22:29 BUT ANYWAY, ELIZABETH DAVIS HAS WORKED REALLY HARD WITH
07:22:32 HER STAFF ON THE AKILAH INSTITUTE.
07:22:35 THEY ARE HAVING A GALA IN OCTOBER.
07:22:37 AND I'LL GET YOU THE DATE AT A LATER TIME.
07:22:40 I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE COMMENDATION THERE.
07:22:42 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
07:22:44 WE HAVE A SECOND BY -- STRIKE THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY
07:22:46 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ON A WONDERFUL COMMENDATION.
07:22:49 WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
07:22:52 ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
07:22:54 THANK YOU, SIR.
07:22:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR THE RECORD, A-K-I-L-A-H.
07:23:02 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER, SIR?
07:23:05 WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. DO WE HAVE A
07:23:07 SECOND?
07:23:08 WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
07:23:11 ANY OPPOSED?
07:23:12 OKAY.
07:23:12 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
07:23:13 [MEETING ADJOURNED]
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