CITY OF TAMPA MEETING
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2019
9:00 A.M.
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8:55:23AM
9:06:10AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:06:11AM ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT IS MY PLEASURE TODAY TO
9:06:14AM INTRODUCE A GENTLEMAN WHO REALLY NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION.
9:06:17AM HE'S BEEN A FRIEND OF MINE AND A FRIEND OF THE COMMUNITY FOR
9:06:20AM MANY, MANY YEARS.
9:06:21AM HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING WITH HIM FOR EIGHT YEARS.
9:06:24AM HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO CHAIRMAN
9:06:26AM OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSION.
9:06:28AM IT'S MY PLEASURE TO SAY THAT BISHOP TOM SCOTT IS GOING TO DO
9:06:34AM THE PRAYER TODAY.
9:06:35AM FIRST OF ALL, STARTED AT THE CHURCH OF GOD IN 1980 AND LATER
9:06:41AM ON, AS WE ALL KNOW, BECAME THE 34th STREET CHURCH OF GOD.
9:06:46AM HE'S BEEN A VISIONARY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR MANY YEARS.
9:06:50AM HE HELPS THE KIDS.
9:06:52AM HE'S BEEN A GENTLEMAN THAT I'VE KNOWN TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD
9:06:55AM AND TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW HE FEELS.
9:06:56AM BESIDES BEING A GOOD PREACHER OF THE LORD AND DISCIPLE AND
9:07:01AM TELLING US EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO, HE ALSO HAS A DEGREE
9:07:04AM IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, WHICH I NEVER KNEW.
9:07:07AM AND WITH A MINOR IN SOCIOLOGY.
9:07:08AM HE ALSO RECEIVED HIS DOCTORATE OF DIVINITY DEGREE AT
9:07:13AM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SCHOOL OF MINISTRY IN 1995 AND A DOCTOR
9:07:16AM OF HUMAN LETTERS IN JULY OF 2006 AT THE FLORIDA METROPOLITAN
9:07:21AM UNIVERSITY.
9:07:22AM MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE BISHOP TOM SCOTT AND SAY THE
9:07:26AM MORNING PRAYER.
9:07:27AM PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
9:07:29AM PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:07:34AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:07:35AM TO THIS DISTINGUISHED BODY, THANK YOU.
9:07:37AM IT IS ALWAYS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO COME AND SHARE AND DO
9:07:40AM THE INVOCATION.
9:07:40AM I'M HONORED THAT YOU INVITED ME TO COME.
9:07:43AM CHARLIE, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR OFFICE.
9:07:45AM I ALWAYS TELL THEM NO NEED FOR LONG INTRODUCTION.
9:07:49AM I THINK EVERYBODY KNOW ME BY NOW.
9:07:51AM WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TODAY THAT AT LEAST FLORIDA DODGED A
9:07:57AM BULLET WHILE AT THE SAME TIME RECOGNIZE THAT OTHERS HAVE
9:07:59AM BEEN DEVASTATED BY THE HURRICANE, SO WE WANT TO REMEMBER
9:08:02AM THEM IN OUR PRAYERS TODAY.
9:08:03AM WILL YOU PRAY WITH ME?
9:08:04AM HOW GOOD AND PLEASANT IT IS FOR US TO DWELL TOGETHER IN
9:08:11AM UNITY AND IN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AS WE COME IN YOUR DIVINE
9:08:16AM PRESENCE TODAY.
9:08:17AM WE PAUSE BECAUSE YOUR WORD INSTRUCTS US TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU
9:08:21AM IN ALL OF OUR WAYS AND THAT YOU WILL GIVE DIRECTION AND
9:08:24AM ORDER OUR STEPS TO OUR PATHWAY.
9:08:26AM TODAY WE PAUSE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY.
9:08:34AM AND WE THANK YOU TODAY FOR THIS COUNCIL AS THEY SHALL
9:08:38AM DELIBERATE TODAY TO MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS FOR OUR
9:08:41AM COMMUNITY AND FOR OUR CITY.
9:08:42AM I PRAY FOR WISDOM.
9:08:46AM I PRAY FOR KNOWLEDGE.
9:08:47AM I PRAY FOR UNDERSTANDING.
9:08:49AM I PRAY FOR PATIENCE.
9:08:51AM I PRAY YOU'LL BE WITH THEM AS THEY LEAD THIS CITY AND THIS
9:08:55AM COMMUNITY.
9:08:56AM NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT WE PRAY FOR ALL OF OUR ELECTED
9:08:59AM OFFICIALS.
9:09:00AM WE PRAY YOU BLESS THEM IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY.
9:09:02AM OUR MAYOR WHO LEADS THE CITY OF TAMPA, CONTINUE TO COVER AND
9:09:05AM PROTECT HER AS SHE LEADS IN GOD THIS CITY.
9:09:09AM THEN WE PRAY FOR OUR NATION.
9:09:10AM WE PRAY FOR OUR WORLD.
9:09:12AM WE PRAY, GOD, FOR THE BAHAMAS TODAY, THE DEVASTATION THAT
9:09:18AM OUR EYES HAVE SEEN.
9:09:21AM WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES.
9:09:23AM WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LOST EVERYTHING.
9:09:26AM WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE HURT AND WOUNDED.
9:09:29AM AND WE PRAY FOR A DIVINE INTERVENTION.
9:09:32AM AND WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO.
9:09:35AM NOW WE THANK YOU FOR AMERICA, THE GREATEST NATION UPON THE
9:09:41AM EARTH.
9:09:41AM I PRAY NOW YOU CONTINUE TO HELP THIS NATION BE A NATION OF
9:09:45AM FREEDOM AND JUSTICE AND LIBERTY FOR ALL.
9:09:48AM IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
9:09:53AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:10:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:10:14AM >> DINGFELDER?
9:10:15AM GUDES?
9:10:16AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
9:10:17AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:10:19AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
9:10:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:10:20AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:10:21AM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:10:22AM OKAY.
9:10:24AM WE MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND ADDENDUM TO THE
9:10:27AM AGENDA.
9:10:28AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:10:30AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:10:32AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:32AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:10:33AM BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES, I KNOW NUMBER
9:10:37AM ONE WILL BE MOVED.
9:10:39AM I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE A CONFLICT ON ITEMS 25, 44, AND 45 AND
9:10:43AM PURSUANT TO FLORIDA LAW, HAND THESE OVER.
9:10:47AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. VIERA, MY APOLOGIES, IF YOU COULD JUST
9:10:49AM STATE VERY BRIEFLY THE NATURE OF THE CONFLICT.
9:10:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: CERTAINLY.
9:10:52AM THESE MATTERS INVOLVE SUBSTANCE ON WHICH MY LAW FIRM IS
9:10:56AM INVOLVED AND THEREFORE I WILL BE UNABLE TO VOTE.
9:10:59AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
9:11:00AM YOU'LL BE LEAVING THE CHAMBERS DURING THE SUBJECT MATTERS
9:11:02AM THAT COME UP?
9:11:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
9:11:05AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND YOU'RE FILING A FORM WITH THE CLERK.
9:11:07AM THANK YOU.
9:11:07AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1, WHICH WAS A
9:11:10AM PRESENTATION AND COMMENDATION, BUT THAT IS BEING REMOVED.
9:11:13AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT?
9:11:14AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:11:16AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:11:17AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:11:18AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:11:20AM DO WE HAVE A RESET DATE?
9:11:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SIR.
9:11:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:11:24AM NUMBER 2, WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH OUR FRIEND COLONEL
9:11:29AM DJ REYES, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD.
9:11:34AM IT IS OUR GREAT HONOR HERE TODAY TO HAVE A GOOD FRIEND OF
9:11:35AM MINE WHO I'VE KNOWN FOR TOO DARN LONG, COLONEL DJ REYES, WHO
9:11:38AM IS REALLY, ALONG WITH HIS WONDERFUL WIFE, JULIE, TWO OF OUR
9:11:41AM MOST EXCEPTIONAL CITIZENS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:11:43AM COLONEL REYES HAS OVER 33 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE UNITED
9:11:47AM STATES ARMY WITH TOURS IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, AND SO MANY
9:11:49AM OTHER PLACES.
9:11:50AM COLONEL REYES SERVES AS SENIOR MENTOR AND PROGRAM
9:11:53AM COORDINATOR FOR OUR VETERANS TREATMENT COURT HERE IN
9:11:56AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, WHICH
9:11:59AM COLONEL REYES FOUNDED.
9:12:00AM HE WAS THE FIRST ONE RIGHT THERE.
9:12:02AM HE WAS OVER THERE.
9:12:04AM COLONEL REYES IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE VETERANS TREATMENT
9:12:07AM COURT AND TO PROVIDE UPDATES AND INITIATIVES, LIKE THE
9:12:09AM BIPARTISAN VETERAN TREATMENT COORDINATION ACT, WHICH IS
9:12:15AM SPONSORED BY OUR VERY OWN CONGRESSWOMAN KATHY CASTOR,
9:12:15AM CHARLIE CRIST, AND SUPPORTED BY ALL OF OUR TAMPA BAY
9:12:19AM DELEGATION, I BELIEVE.
9:12:19AM I CAN TELL YOU ON A PERSONAL BASIS, COLONEL REYES IS JUST
9:12:23AM ONE OF THE BEST PEOPLE I KNOW.
9:12:25AM HE WAS, BACK WHEN THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT WAS LED BY
9:12:29AM JUDGE RICHARD WEIS, COLONEL REYES CAME UP TO JUDGE WEIS AND
9:12:34AM SAID, SIR, HOW CAN I HELP?
9:12:36AM AND FROM THAT STARTED THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT.
9:12:38AM SO MANY INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED.
9:12:40AM IT'S BEEN NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED, INCLUDING BY OUR FORMER
9:12:44AM ATTORNEY GENERAL HOLDER AND SO MANY OTHERS.
9:12:46AM NOW I KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING WITH YOU, THE
9:12:48AM TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND OTHERS IN RECOGNIZING THAT.
9:12:51AM AND SO WE'RE REALLY, REALLY THANKFUL, COLONEL REYES.
9:12:55AM THIS IS FOR SO MANY OF THE MENTORS, ALL THE MENTORS, IT'S A
9:12:59AM REAL ACT OF LOVE.
9:13:00AM YOU ALL DON'T GET PAID A DIME FOR IT AND IT'S PRETTY MUCH
9:13:03AM LIKE A FULL-TIME JOB.
9:13:04AM COLONEL, I'LL LET YOU TAKE THE FLOOR, SIR.
9:13:08AM >> BEFORE I START, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL.
9:13:11AM I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY ALL-INCLUSIVE?
9:13:14AM ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
9:13:17AM NO.
9:13:17AM IF I COULD HAVE THE FIRST SLIDE, PLEASE.
9:13:29AM NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS, IF I'M WAITING FOR A SLIDE AND IT
9:13:33AM DOESN'T COME UP, I'M SUPPOSED TO TELL A JOKE.
9:13:35AM SO THERE'S CITY COUNCIL AND A CHAIR -- NO, I WON'T GO THERE.
9:13:40AM WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THE SLIDE, LET ME SAY THIS.
9:13:44AM LUIS VIERA ASKED ME IF I WOULD DO THE HONOR TO UPDATE YOU ON
9:13:48AM THE VETERAN TREATMENT COURT.
9:13:50AM I THINK IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST CAME BEFORE YOU,
9:13:55AM AND WE WERE KIND OF LITTLE FLEDGLING BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE
9:13:58AM BEEN ON SIX AND A HALF YEARS.
9:14:00AM WE WERE A LITTLE FLEDGLING.
9:14:01AM I REMEMBER, I CAN'T RECALL THE NAME OF THE COUNCILWOMAN, BUT
9:14:04AM SHE ASKED ME, WHAT IS IT WE CAN DO FOR YOU?
9:14:07AM I SAID, REALLY, JUST THE FACT THAT ALLOWED TO BE HERE AND
9:14:11AM EDUCATE AND BRING COMMUNITY AWARENESS TO THIS VERY IMPORTANT
9:14:14AM PROGRAM IS ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.
9:14:15AM BUT I'LL LET YOU KNOW IN A FEW YEARS.
9:14:18AM I THINK WE'RE ON A GOOD GLIDE PATH.
9:14:21AM WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IF YOU INDULGE THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'LL
9:14:26AM GIVE A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE SIX AND A
9:14:29AM HALF YEARS.
9:14:30AM THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, AND I DO HAVE A BOTTOM-LINE SLIDE,
9:14:34AM BUT THIS IS A GOOD NEWS STORY FOR ALL OF US IN TAMPA.
9:14:39AM AGAIN, WE'RE THE HANDS AND FEET OF THIS PROGRAM.
9:14:41AM WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND THE GOODNESS THAT HAPPENS WITH THIS.
9:14:45AM WHEN YOU TAKE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND YOU COLLABORATIVELY WORK
9:14:51AM WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND YOU LEVERAGE THE WHOLE OF
9:14:53AM COMMUNITY APPROACH WITH LOCAL COMMUNITY PROVIDERS, AND THEN
9:14:57AM YOU BRING IN VOLUNTEERS, VETERANS WHO HAVE THE HEART OF
9:15:01AM SERVICE, EVEN MANY OF US WHO ARE OUT OF UNIFORM, BUT WE
9:15:05AM STILL HAVE TO HELP OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
9:15:07AM AND WE DO THAT PRO BONO.
9:15:09AM WE DO THAT FOR FREE.
9:15:11AM YOU COMBINE ALL OF THAT, YOU HAVE THE SUCCESS RECIPE FOR A
9:15:14AM WONDERFUL COMMUNITY PROGRAM.
9:15:18AM I'M SO PROUD AS LUIS JUST COVERED IT, WE'RE SO PROUD BECAUSE
9:15:22AM NOT ONLY ARE WE WILDLY SUCCESSFUL IN THIS VTC, BUT AS YOU'RE
9:15:26AM GOING TO SEE IN SOME OF THE SLIDES, WE RECEIVE STATE LEVEL
9:15:29AM AND NATIONAL LEVEL PROMINENCE AND RECOGNITION.
9:15:32AM IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK OF THE MEN AND WOMEN,
9:15:36AM STARTING WITH OUR JUDGE, OUR CURRENT JUDGE IS MIKE SCIONTI.
9:15:41AM ALL THE VOLUNTEERS ARE PD UNDER THE ABLE LEADERSHIP OF
9:15:43AM JULIANNE HOLT, OUR STATE ATTORNEY, UNDER THE ABLE LEADERSHIP
9:15:45AM OF ANDREW WARREN, THE VA UNDER JOE BATTLE AND ALL OF OUR
9:15:50AM COMMUNITY RESOURCE PROVIDERS.
9:15:51AM I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS
9:15:54AM A GOOD NEWS STORY.
9:15:56AM THE FIRST IS WE AVOIDED DORIAN.
9:15:59AM WELL, THIS IS THE SECOND ONE.
9:16:01AM I'M SO PROUD TO TELL YOU THIS STORY.
9:16:04AM I'M PRESSING THE RIGHT TO SHIFT THE SLIDE.
9:16:15AM WHILE THEY ARE GETTING THERE FORTUNATELY I HAVE MY PAPER
9:16:25AM SLIDE.
9:16:25AM THE SECOND SLIDE IS THE BOTTOM LINEUP SLIDE.
9:16:28AM THERE ARE THREE POINTS I WANT TO MAKE TO ALL OF YOU TO KIND
9:16:31AM OF PUT PERSPECTIVE INTO THIS.
9:16:33AM THE FIRST BULLET IS, AS WE ALL ARE EDUCATED ON VETERAN
9:16:38AM ISSUES, AND WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME ON NATIONAL TELEVISION.
9:16:42AM DIFFERENT THINGS, SUCH AS HOMELESSNESS, EDUCATION,
9:16:46AM EMPLOYMENT, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES LIKE PTSD, TRAUMATIC BRAIN
9:16:51AM INJURY, SUBSTANCE AND ALCOHOL ABUSE, ALL OF THESE THINGS.
9:16:54AM IF YOU WANT A FRONT-ROW SEAT TO THOSE ISSUES AND SEE HOW A
9:16:59AM SYSTEM CAN COME TOGETHER TO RESOLVE A LOT OF THAT, COME TO
9:17:02AM THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT.
9:17:04AM I INVITE FOR THOSE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE NOT YET
9:17:07AM BEEN TO THE VTC, AND I KNOW I HAVE SOME FOLKS THERE THAT
9:17:11AM HAVE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED AND, OF COURSE, MR. DINGFELDER
9:17:14AM WAS A PD AND HE ACTUALLY WAS IN THE VTC WITH US, I'M SURE
9:17:18AM THEY CAN TELL YOU THAT IS A LIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCE TO COME
9:17:21AM TO THAT COURT BECAUSE IT IS A COURT LIKE NO OTHER.
9:17:24AM IT IS A TREATMENT AND REHAB COURT.
9:17:28AM YOU GET TO SEE ALL THE PROBLEMS AND SEE HOW WE SOLVE IT
9:17:35AM STARTING WITH THE JUDGE AND THROUGH THE COMMUNITY WITH
9:17:37AM NATIONAL LEVEL RESOURCES.
9:17:38AM THE SECOND THING AND VERY IMPORTANT, THE SECOND POINT.
9:17:42AM WE DO A GOOD JOB AND IN THE MILITARY WE HAVE A SAVING.
9:17:45AM THAT IS RIGHT OF THE BOOM.
9:17:48AM LIKE THE IED EXPLODES, NOW WE'RE DOING CONSEQUENCE
9:17:51AM MANAGEMENT.
9:17:52AM NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE HAVE BODIES LAID
9:17:55AM OUT THERE, HOW DO WE TRIAGE?
9:17:57AM HOW DO WE TAKE CARE?
9:17:59AM HOW DO WE TREAT OUR WOUNDED?
9:18:01AM THE VTC IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
9:18:03AM BECAUSE THE VETERANS ARE ALREADY COMING INTO THE COURT
9:18:05AM BECAUSE THEY GOT IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW.
9:18:08AM THROUGH ADMISSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE VA AND
9:18:11AM FEDERAL LAW, THEY HAVE SERVICE AND COMBAT CONNECTED
9:18:14AM DISABILITIES AND DISORDERS, WHICH IS A NEXUS OR A CONNECTION
9:18:17AM TO THE CRIME THAT THEY COMMITTED.
9:18:19AM NOW WE BRING THEM INTO THE COURT AND WE HELP IDENTIFY THE
9:18:22AM PROBLEM.
9:18:22AM WE TREAT THEM.
9:18:23AM WE REHAB THEM.
9:18:24AM WE THEY GET THEM ON THEIR WAY.
9:18:29AM WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE, USE IT AS THE TEMPLATE TO BE
9:18:33AM VISIONARY AND LOOK LEFT OF THE BOOM.
9:18:35AM THIS DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO THE VETERANS AND THE VETERANS
9:18:38AM TREATMENT COURT.
9:18:39AM THIS APPLIES TO EVERYTHING WE DO IN OUR SOCIETY, WHETHER
9:18:41AM IT'S LOCAL, STATE OR NATIONAL.
9:18:43AM BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE TAKE-AWAYS THAT I FEEL AS THE PROGRAM
9:18:47AM COORDINATOR THAT I SEE EACH AND EVERY DAY.
9:18:49AM DO A GREAT JOB AFTER THE FACT.
9:18:51AM WE NEED TO GET BEFORE THE FACT.
9:18:53AM THE FINAL THING IS A PLUG FOR US, PSA.
9:18:57AM WE HAVE THE LARGEST NOW IN THE NATION.
9:18:58AM OVER 450 VTCs.
9:19:01AM WE HAVE THE LARGEST VOLUNTEER MENTOR CORE.
9:19:04AM WE'RE VERY, VERY PROUD OF.
9:19:05AM WE'VE GOT A GREAT SUCCESS RATE.
9:19:08AM AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE SINGLE DIGITS IN RECIDIVISM RATE AND
9:19:12AM WE SAVE A LOT OF MONEY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE FOR
9:19:14AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OF $19,000 A YEAR TO INCARCERATE AN
9:19:19AM INMATE AND ALL THOSE ATTENDANT COSTS, WE RECAPTURE THAT IN
9:19:24AM TAX DOLLARS.
9:19:25AM AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD NEWS STORY.
9:19:27AM WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?
9:19:36AM THERE IS A SLIDE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO COME UP.
9:19:45AM LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
9:19:48AM CAN I TELL YOU WHAT THAT SLIDE SAYS.
9:19:50AM THERE ARE THREE STATES IN OUR NATION THAT HAVE THE MOST
9:19:53AM VETERANS IN THEIR STATE.
9:19:54AM NUMBER ONE IS CALIFORNIA.
9:19:56AM NUMBER TWO IS TEXAS, AND NUMBER THREE IS FLORIDA.
9:19:59AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IF IT EVER COMES UP, THE
9:20:02AM NUMBERS BETWEEN TEXAS AND FLORIDA, THE GAP IS CLOSING IN.
9:20:06AM AND BASED ON RECENT VA STATISTICS AND BASED ON DEMOGRAPHICS,
9:20:10AM THEY ARE ESTIMATING BETWEEN THE NEXT TWO TO FIVE YEARS,
9:20:12AM FLORIDA IS GOING TO BECOME THE NUMBER TWO STATE IN THE
9:20:16AM NATION WITH THE MOST VETERANS.
9:20:18AM THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE BRINGING IN MORE
9:20:21AM VETERANS INTO OUR STATE.
9:20:23AM SO THEY ARE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY.
9:20:30AM THAT'S OKAY.
9:20:31AM I CAN TALK IT.
9:20:32AM THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU CAN JUST PICTURE THIS,
9:20:35AM IT'S A GRAPHIC.
9:20:36AM THE GRAPHIC BASICALLY SHOWS THE GROWTH OF OUR PROGRAM.
9:20:39AM SO BACK IN 2013, WE STARTED WITH SIX VETERANS AND ONE
9:20:44AM MENTOR, MYSELF.
9:20:45AM AND AS COUNCILMAN VIERA NOTED, IT WAS JUDGE WEIS.
9:20:54AM SIX AND A HALF YEARS LATER, WE'RE ON OUR THIRD JUDGE, JUDGE
9:20:57AM SCIONTI, THIRD JUDICIAL ORDER.
9:21:00AM BETWEEN 175 AND 225 VETERANS ON OUR DOCKET AND WE HAVE A
9:21:05AM TOTAL MENTOR PROGRAM OF 138 VOLUNTEERS, WHICH AT ANY TIME,
9:21:11AM 62 ARE ACTIVE.
9:21:12AM THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS MANY OF MY VETERAN MENTORS ARE
9:21:16AM ACTIVE DUTY.
9:21:17AM THEY ARE FROM MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
9:21:19AM MANY ARE DEPLOYED.
9:21:20AM MANY ARE GUARD AND RESERVE AND HELPING OUT WITH DORIAN.
9:21:24AM THAT'S THE GROUP OF FOLKS THAT I HAVE IN THIS PROGRAM.
9:21:28AM THEY ARE SERVING WHILE IN UNIFORM AND THEN THEY ARE SERVING
9:21:32AM AS VOLUNTEERS.
9:21:33AM BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S VERY DYNAMIC.
9:21:36AM AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS IS A GROWTH INDUSTRY, AND
9:21:40AM PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE A CAP ON THIS.
9:21:42AM I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT IN A SECOND WHEN I GET TO THE
9:21:45AM LEGISLATION PIECE, SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALL OF
9:21:48AM US, NOT JUST TAMPA, BUT ALL OF THE VTCs IN FLORIDA BECAUSE
9:21:54AM OF RECENT LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED.
9:21:56AM ON MY NEXT SLIDE -- REMEMBER WHEN I TALKED ABOUT WHOLE OF
9:22:04AM COMMUNITY.
9:22:04AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS WHOLE OF COMMUNITY.
9:22:06AM I KNOW IT'S SMALL AND CAN'T READ IT.
9:22:09AM I CAN DESCRIBE IT TO YOU.
9:22:10AM EACH ONE OF THE BOXES REPRESENTS VARIOUS SECTORS IN OUR
9:22:13AM COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S EDUCATIONAL AT THE TOP AT THE 12:00
9:22:17AM LOCATION, WITH KEISER UNIVERSITY, STETSON LAW, UNIVERSITY OF
9:22:20AM TAMPA, NATIONAL-LOUIS UNIVERSITY ALL THE WAY AT THE 6:00
9:22:24AM POSITION, CRISIS INTERVENTION, CRISIS CENTER OF TAMPA BAY OR
9:22:28AM SUBSTANCE PROGRAMS TO ITS LEFT WITH TAMPA CROSSROADS, THE VA
9:22:33AM OR RIVERSIDE RECOVERY.
9:22:34AM THE INTENT OF THE SLIDE IS TO SHOW YOU THAT IT TAKES A
9:22:37AM VILLAGE.
9:22:37AM AND THIS VILLAGE IS LOCAL, STATE, REGIONAL, AND NATIONAL.
9:22:41AM AND WE DO THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
9:22:45AM MANY OF THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE, IN FACT, RESIDENT IN THE
9:22:48AM VETERANS TREATMENT COURT AS PART OF OUR TEAM THAT PROVIDES
9:22:51AM SUPPORT TO THE JUDGE WHEN THE JUDGE ASKS FOR SUPPORT.
9:22:55AM TO YOUR 4:00 POSITION, THERE'S A BLOCK THAT SAYS "OTHER
9:23:00AM VTCs."
9:23:03AM SINCE WE HAVE GROWN, I'VE HAD MANY VTC TEAMS FROM OTHER
9:23:07AM STATES ACTUALLY CONTACT ME AND SAY, HEY, COLONEL REYES, CAN
9:23:11AM YOU HELP US STAND UP OUR PROGRAM.
9:23:14AM YOU'LL SEE IN ANOTHER SLIDE FOR TRAINING, THAT'S EXACTLY
9:23:16AM WHAT I'M DOING OFF LINE, EITHER VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON.
9:23:21AM THE POINT OF THAT IS THAT THE WORD HAS GOTTEN OUT ABOUT
9:23:24AM TAMPA'S VTC.
9:23:25AM WE ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE.
9:23:26AM WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT WAS ON THE FIRST SLIDE.
9:23:29AM IF YOU WISH AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE
9:23:33AM WEBSITE BUT IT LAYS OUT AND OUTLINES THE ENTIRE HISTORY AND
9:23:36AM LINEAGE OF OUR PROGRAM, WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE'RE
9:23:39AM CONTINUING TO DO AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHERE WE ARE GOING
9:23:42AM IN THE FUTURE.
9:23:43AM THIS SHOULD BE THE LAST SLIDE.
9:23:46AM HERE ARE SOME UPDATES.
9:23:47AM AS I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE TRAINING, I'M ACTUALLY, AS
9:23:49AM WE SPEAK, I'M VIRTUALLY TRAINING AT MY COUNTERPART IN ORANGE
9:23:53AM COUNTY.
9:23:53AM THEIR VTC.
9:23:55AM BY REQUEST OF THEIR COURT.
9:23:56AM THEY ASKED ME, HEY, CAN YOU HELP OUR GUY OUT AND HELP STAND
9:24:00AM UP THEIR PROGRAM?
9:24:01AM I SAID, SURE.
9:24:02AM I'M DOING THAT NOW.
9:24:03AM I'M HELPING LEON COUNTY WITH THEIR VTC PROGRAM, STANDING UP.
9:24:08AM NEXT WEEK I'M VIRTUALLY DIALING INTO KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE.
9:24:11AM THE VTC JUDGE ASKED ME TO DIAL IN AND GIVE A PRESENTATION TO
9:24:16AM HER TRAINING CONFERENCE, HER FIRST TRAINING CONFERENCE.
9:24:19AM I'M GOING TO DO THAT.
9:24:20AM NEXT MONTH, MYSELF AND JUDGE SCIONTI, UPON THE INVITATION OF
9:24:24AM THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF KANSAS ASKED US TO
9:24:29AM COME OUT TO PRESENT THE TAMPA VTC PROGRAM BECAUSE HE IS
9:24:33AM TRYING TO KICK-START HIS PROGRAM IN THE STATE OF KANSAS.
9:24:36AM LET'S PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE.
9:24:38AM WE HAVE 67 COUNTIES AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY 34 VTCs IN
9:24:41AM FLORIDA.
9:24:41AM KANSAS HAS 101 COUNTIES AND THEY HAVE ONE VTC.
9:24:45AM HE SAID TO ME, THE CHIEF JUSTICE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS
9:24:48AM PICTURE?
9:24:49AM I SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE IS YOU AREN'T TAMPA
9:24:51AM AND YOU'RE NOT THE TAMPA VTC PROGRAM.
9:24:54AM HE SAID, OKAY, WELL YOU NEED TO GET YOUR BUTT OVER HERE AND
9:24:57AM HELP ME MOTIVATE MY LEGISLATURE, MY JUDICIAL, ALL MY JUDGES,
9:25:04AM OH, BY THE WAY, I'LL INVITE THE GOVERNOR AND U.S. SENATORS
9:25:08AM HERE TO WATCH YOU AND JUDGE SCIONTI TALK.
9:25:12AM FINALLY IN NOVEMBER, WE DECIDED, HEY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
9:25:15AM ASKING US FOR HELP.
9:25:16AM WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST REGIONAL VTC AND MENTOR TRAINING
9:25:19AM CONFERENCE.
9:25:20AM ANDREW WARREN WAS SO KIND TO HOST IT.
9:25:22AM WE'RE GOING TO USE HIS BIG STATE-OF-THE-ART CONFERENCE ROOM
9:25:25AM AND HAVE IT LIKE 6th NOVEMBER AND INVITING UP TO SEVEN
9:25:30AM CIRCUIT COURTS FROM THE SURROUNDING FLORIDA AREA ON THE GULF
9:25:34AM SIDE, I THINK BREVARD COUNTY IS COMING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
9:25:38AM WE'RE PROUD OF THAT.
9:25:40AM LASTLY ON THE LEGISLATION PIECE.
9:25:41AM AT THE STATE LEVEL, THERE WAS A BILL PASSED 910, EARLIER
9:25:46AM THIS YEAR, WHICH BASICALLY WILL EXPAND THE APERTURE OF THE
9:25:49AM ADMISSIBILITY OF VETERANS COMING INTO THE COURT.
9:25:51AM FOR THOSE OF YOU AND MR. DINGFELDER KNOWS THIS, VERY, VERY
9:25:56AM WELL, THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSIBILITY ARE GOOD
9:26:01AM PAPER VETERANS.
9:26:02AM IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE THAT WERE HONORABLY DISCHARGED.
9:26:05AM LONG STORY SHORT, 910 HAS OPENED UP THAT APERTURE TO ALL
9:26:10AM VETERANS TO INCLUDE BAD CONDUCT DISCHARGE OR BAD PAPER
9:26:13AM VETERANS.
9:26:14AM IN APRIL I WENT AND TESTIFIED BEFORE THE FLORIDA STATE
9:26:17AM APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE, AND I OUTLINED FOUR SPECIFIC
9:26:20AM REASONS WHY THAT'S REALLY NOT SUCH A WISE IDEA, BUT IF THEY
9:26:24AM WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION THEY NEED TO HAVE A RESPONSE TO
9:26:27AM THEN WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE MEDICAL SUPPORT.
9:26:30AM BECAUSE THE WAY IT CURRENTLY WORKS IN THE VTC, YOU HAVE TO
9:26:34AM HAVE GOOD PAPER FOR THE VA TO THEN PROVIDE THE BENEFITS TO
9:26:38AM YOU.
9:26:38AM IF THEY ARE BAD PAPER, THE VA IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THE
9:26:42AM BENEFITS TO YOU.
9:26:42AM THE VA IS OUR 800-POUND GORILLA THAT PROVIDES ALL OF OUR
9:26:47AM SERVICES.
9:26:47AM IF YOU TAKE THEM OUT, YOU HAVE A GAP OF A LACK OF MEDICAL
9:26:52AM SERVICES.
9:26:52AM THE FLORIDA SENATE DID NOT HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
9:26:57AM THEY JUST FELT, WELL, YOU GUYS WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
9:27:00AM RIGHT NOW, THE JURY IS OUT ON THAT.
9:27:02AM WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD HERE AT THE VTC TO FIGURE OUT
9:27:05AM WHEN THE TIME COMES, 1 OCTOBER WHEN THIS WILL TAKE INTO
9:27:09AM EFFECT.
9:27:09AM WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'LL HANDLE THE BAD PAPER
9:27:13AM VETERANS COMING IN AND HOW WE'LL PROVIDE MEDICAL SUPPORT TO
9:27:15AM THEM.
9:27:16AM FINALLY, I KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA MENTIONED THIS, AT THE
9:27:20AM FEDERAL LEVEL, WE'RE VERY EXCITED BECAUSE CHARLIE CRIST IS
9:27:24AM OFFERING HR 886.
9:27:26AM I WENT UP TWO MONTHS TO GO TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
9:27:28AM I ACTUALLY BRIEFED TO JENNIFER, WHO IS TRUMP'S LEGISLATIVE
9:27:32AM DIRECTOR ON THIS.
9:27:33AM SHE'S GOING TO BE INSTRUMENTAL IN ENSURING BOTH THE LOWER
9:27:36AM AND THE UPPER CHAMBERS COME TO AGREEMENT AND VOTE BECAUSE
9:27:40AM WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BILL
9:27:43AM PASSED AND GET IT BEFORE THE POTUS SO HE CAN SIGN IT ON
9:27:49AM VETERANS DAY.
9:27:50AM IT WILL FEDERALIZE THE VTC PROGRAM.
9:27:53AM CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO FEDERAL FUNDS FOR THE VTCs.
9:27:56AM WHEN WE STOOD UP OVER SIX AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WE DID IT ON
9:27:59AM A DIME AND I THINK IT WAS JUDGE WEIS'S DIME, TO BE QUITE
9:28:04AM HONEST.
9:28:05AM I WAS OUT THERE WITH A CUP ON DALE MABRY AND GANDY SAYING,
9:28:08AM HEY, I'LL COLLECT FOR THE VTC.
9:28:11AM WE'VE COME A LONG WAY FROM THAT POINT.
9:28:13AM NOW I THINK AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THEY RECOGNIZE US.
9:28:16AM HEY, WE NEED TO HAVE A HAND IN THIS.
9:28:18AM WE NEED TO HELP SOME OF THE STRUGGLING STATES THAT CAN'T
9:28:22AM SEEM TO GET THEIR SEA LEGS UNDERNEATH THEM AND GET THEIR
9:28:25AM PROGRAM GOING.
9:28:26AM WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS.
9:28:28AM I WILL KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED ON THIS, BUT IT IS MY HOPE BY
9:28:31AM NOVEMBER THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNING CEREMONY IN THE
9:28:35AM WHITE HOUSE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP NOT JUST OUR VTC BUT
9:28:38AM ALL THE VTCs THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND IN ESSENCE
9:28:41AM HELP ALL OF OUR VETERANS.
9:28:42AM THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT SUBJECT TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
9:28:48AM THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
9:28:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COLONEL.
9:28:50AM ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
9:28:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE
9:28:55AM PRESENTATION.
9:28:56AM I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT OUR AMERICAN HEROES ARE GETTING THE
9:29:00AM ASSISTANCE AND THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.
9:29:02AM YOU SHOWED THE NUMBERS.
9:29:03AM YOU HAVE SO MANY SUICIDES A DAY.
9:29:05AM YOU HAVE THOSE THAT STRUGGLE WITH ADDICTION AND WHATNOT.
9:29:08AM FROM THE TRAUMA OF SERVING THE COUNTRY, THE SACRIFICES
9:29:14AM THEY'VE MADE. I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.
9:29:18AM THIS IS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
9:29:19AM I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW IN-DEPTH THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT
9:29:22AM GOES IN ASSISTING THESE HEROES IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY
9:29:28AM NEED.
9:29:29AM THANK YOU.
9:29:29AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:29:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:29:31AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:29:32AM WELCOME, COLONEL.
9:29:34AM I HAVE TO SAY MY ALMOST 30 YEARS OF PRACTICING LAW, BEING IN
9:29:38AM VETERANS COURT AND ACROSS THE HALL IN MENTAL HEALTH COURT
9:29:41AM WERE SOME OF THE MOST REWARDING -- PERSONAL REWARDING AND
9:29:45AM SATISFYING DAYS OF MINE AS AN ATTORNEY AND PUBLIC DEFENDER.
9:29:50AM THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO IN THERE DAY IN AND DAY OUT, WEEK
9:29:54AM IN AND WEEK OUT IS JUST FANTASTIC.
9:29:56AM AND IT'S A WHOLE TEAM.
9:29:58AM WE ALL WORK TOGETHER.
9:29:59AM IT'S NOT -- ELSEWHERE IN THE COURTHOUSE IT IS THE PUBLIC
9:30:04AM DEFENDER AGAINST THE STATE ATTORNEY AND EVERYBODY IS KIND
9:30:08AM OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ANIMOSITY.
9:30:09AM YOU GO UP IN VETERANS COURT AND EVERYBODY IS WORKING
9:30:12AM TOGETHER FOR THE SAKE OF THAT CLIENT AND TO TRY AND GET THAT
9:30:16AM CLIENT BACK ON TRACK.
9:30:17AM YOU'RE A KEY PART OF THAT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.
9:30:20AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:30:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
9:30:22AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COLONEL REYES, I HAVE ATTENDED ONE OF YOUR
9:30:26AM COURTS BEFORE, AND IT IMPRESSED ME THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN
9:30:31AM WHO LOOKED AT BOTH, AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID AND THE
9:30:36AM OPPOSING SIDES, ACTUALLY LOOKED AT YOU AND SAID, I THOUGHT I
9:30:40AM WAS FORGOTTEN.
9:30:42AM YOU AND YOUR MEANT HERS HELPED THEM OUT.
9:30:45AM WHEN THEY FINALLY GRADUATED AND SAID THANK YOU, THANK YOU
9:30:49AM FOR REMEMBERING ME.
9:30:50AM THIS IS A GREAT JOB YOU'RE DOING, AND THE COMMUNITY THANKS
9:30:54AM YOU FOR THAT.
9:30:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
9:30:57AM AND COLONEL REYES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:30:59AM AS WE KNOW, THE WOUNDS OF WAR AND SERVICE GO LONG BEYOND
9:31:05AM WEARING THE UNIFORM.
9:31:06AM I ALWAYS SAY, 50, 45 YEARS, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER THE VIETNAM
9:31:11AM WAR, IN MY OPINION, WE'RE STILL HAVING CASUALTIES FROM THAT
9:31:13AM WAR, FROM EVERY WAR.
9:31:15AM FROM PHYSICAL ISSUES, WHETHER AGENT ORANGE OR WHETHER IT'S
9:31:19AM NOW WE'RE SEEING WITH THE TAR PITS.
9:31:21AM YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THAT ISSUE.
9:31:24AM ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SO STRONGLY SUPPORT WHAT YOU'VE
9:31:26AM BEEN DOING AND I ALWAYS TRY TO SHINE A LIGHT ON IT IS
9:31:29AM BECAUSE WE LIVE IN UNIQUE TIMES.
9:31:31AM YOU KNOW THIS BETTER THAN ANYBODY.
9:31:33AM JULIE KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN ANYBODY, YOUR SPOUSE, WE'VE HAD
9:31:36AM ALMOST 18 YEARS OF CONSTANT DEPLOYMENTS BY OUR MILITARY MEN
9:31:41AM AND WOMEN.
9:31:41AM WHENEVER YOU READ ABOUT A LOT OF FOLKS NOW WHO ARE KILLED IN
9:31:46AM ACTION, READ THE BIOGRAPHIES AND MANY TIMES IT SAYS THEY
9:31:49AM WERE ON THEIR FIFTH OR SIXTH DEPLOYMENT.
9:31:52AM WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR FAMILIES?
9:31:53AM WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR HOUSEHOLDS AND WHAT DOES IT DO TO
9:31:57AM THEIR PSYCHE AND WELL-BEING?
9:31:59AM BECAUSE WHEN THEY TAKE OFF THEIR UNIFORM, THEY ARE NOT DONE
9:32:02AM WITH THE CONSEQUENCES, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, OF THAT
9:32:04AM SERVICE.
9:32:04AM THAT'S WHERE YOU ALL COME IN.
9:32:06AM I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND
9:32:08AM EVERYBODY WHO IS LISTENING, TO ATTEND ONE OF THE VETERANS
9:32:12AM TREATMENT COURTS.
9:32:12AM I'VE PROBABLY BEEN 8, 9, 10 TIMES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
9:32:16AM IT'S ALWAYS INSPIRING, IT IS.
9:32:18AM ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE THE MENTORS AND THE BROTHERHOOD AND
9:32:22AM SISTERHOOD THAT YOU ALL HAVE OF WORKING TOGETHER AS CLOSE
9:32:25AM FRIENDS AND FAMILIES.
9:32:26AM YOU ALL HANG OUT TOGETHER.
9:32:27AM YOU ALL LAUGH TOGETHER.
9:32:28AM YOU JUST HAVE A GREAT TIME BECAUSE YOU ALL HAVE A BOND THAT
9:32:34AM GOES -- IT'S A GREAT BOND OF NOT JUST SERVICE BUT HOW YOU
9:32:38AM INTERPRET THAT SERVICE AND GOING ON AND STANDING UP FOR YOUR
9:32:41AM BROTHER AND SISTER WHEN THEY'RE IN TROUBLE.
9:32:43AM THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL SALUTE.
9:32:45AM THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO AND YOU KNOW I MEAN
9:32:47AM THAT.
9:32:48AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
9:32:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:32:51AM OKAY, NEXT, WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:32:54AM I WAS GOING TO HAVE, BECAUSE MR. DIAL IS HERE, FOR ITEM, I
9:32:59AM THINK IT IS 63, COME UP AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, IF THAT'S OKAY
9:33:09AM WITH TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
9:33:10AM I ASSUME SO.
9:33:15AM >> I WANTED TO WELCOME OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS WALKING
9:33:18AM AROUND THE BACK.
9:33:19AM ANDREA ZELMAN.
9:33:20AM SHE WAS WITH THE CITY AND HAS COME BACK.
9:33:23AM I THINK TODAY IS HER FIRST DAY WORKING WITH US.
9:33:25AM I WANTED TO WELCOME HER.
9:33:27AM THREE OF US SERVED WITH HER ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
9:33:29AM COMMISSION.
9:33:30AM I THINK WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO HAVE HER.
9:33:32AM ALSO, THANK YOU TO SAL FOR HIS SERVICE.
9:33:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: WELCOME.
9:33:36AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:33:37AM NEXT WE MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT, IF ANYBODY IS HERE
9:33:42AM TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA EXCLUDING
9:33:45AM QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS, PLEASE COME UP AT THIS TIME.
9:33:48AM THREE MINUTES AN INDIVIDUAL.
9:33:50AM IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON SPEAKING, PLEASE LINE UP RIGHT THERE.
9:33:54AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.
9:33:55AM THIS IS AN OFF-THE-AGENDA ITEM.
9:33:58AM THIS ISN'T FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR
9:34:01AM SEPTEMBER 19th AT 10:30.
9:34:04AM IT'S A PETITION OF REVIEW FOR 6303 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
9:34:08AM THE NOTICE DID NOT GO OUT IN TIME TO PERFECT THE ABILITY FOR
9:34:13AM THAT TO GO FORWARD.
9:34:15AM SO I'M RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A NEW HEARING DATE BE SET SO
9:34:19AM WE CAN GET THE NOTICE OUT.
9:34:24AM >>THE CLERK: ACCORDING TO YOUR AGENDA DAY, YOU HAVE THREE
9:34:26AM PETITIONS FOR REVIEW BEING SET FOR NOVEMBER 17 -- OR
9:34:30AM DECEMBER -- NOT DECEMBER -- OCTOBER.
9:34:32AM 17th.
9:34:34AM I BELIEVE ONE IN NOVEMBER.
9:34:36AM THIS WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE NOVEMBER DATE.
9:34:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: IS NOVEMBER AMENABLE TO YOUR CLIENT?
9:34:44AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
9:34:45AM THAT WOULD BE NOVEMBER 19.
9:34:49AM >>THE CLERK: IT MAY BE THE 17th.
9:34:52AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: I COULDN'T HEAR.
9:34:53AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOVEMBER 17th.
9:34:57AM >> A TIME?
9:34:59AM >>THE CLERK: NOVEMBER, ACTUALLY 21st.
9:35:05AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.
9:35:06AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:35:08AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:35:10AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:35:11AM ANY OPPOSED.
9:35:12AM >> THAT TIME, PLEASE?
9:35:15AM >> 10:30.
9:35:17AM THANK YOU.
9:35:18AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:35:20AM >>LUIS VIERA: GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:35:22AM >>THE CLERK: DO YOU WISH TO VOTE ON THE MOTION?
9:35:26AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
9:35:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:35:28AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:35:28AM I COULD HAVE SWORN I DID THAT.
9:35:32AM MY APOLOGIES.
9:35:33AM GO AHEAD.
9:35:33AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS
9:35:37AM PAUL CURTIS.
9:35:39AM I'M THE PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER OF CURTOOM COMPANIES, A WMBE
9:35:46AM CERTIFIED FIRM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:35:48AM I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT A NON-AGENDA ITEM.
9:35:54AM THIS ITEM HAS TO DO WITH THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING CIVIL
9:35:58AM SITE WORK RFP "FOUR THIRTY SEVEN ONE ONE ONE NINE" WHICH
9:36:03AM WILL COME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
9:36:07AM THE REASON I'M HERE IS THAT WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED BY THE
9:36:11AM PURCHASING DEPARTMENT THAT THEY PLAN ON RENDERING OUR BID AS
9:36:16AM NONRESPONSIVE.
9:36:18AM WE TAKE OBJECTION TO THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THE LETTER THAT
9:36:23AM I SENT TO EACH ONE OF YOU DATED AUGUST 27.
9:36:30AM TO NOT REITERATE THE DETAILS OF THE LETTER, BECAUSE THE
9:36:35AM MATTER IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL FOR A
9:36:38AM VOTE, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS A DUTY
9:36:44AM TO IDENTIFY AND CORRECT ARITHMETIC ERRORS IF THEY FIND THEM
9:36:52AM IN A BID.
9:36:53AM SECONDLY, I WOULD SAY THAT CLERICAL ERRORS ARE CORRECTABLE
9:37:00AM OVERSIGHTS, AND THAT THEY CANNOT BE THE BASIS OF A
9:37:06AM NONRESPONSIVE DETERMINATION.
9:37:10AM IN ANY EVENT, BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE RFP DOCUMENT,
9:37:14AM THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION OTHER
9:37:20AM THAN WHAT PURCHASING DECIDED ON THE BASIS OF THE LANGUAGE IN
9:37:28AM THE RFP SAYS THAT BIDS MAY BE REJECTED.
9:37:35AM IT DOES NOT SAY THEY MUST.
9:37:37AM IT DOES NOT SAY THEY SHALL.
9:37:39AM IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO BE REJECTED.
9:37:42AM SO TO NOT TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME, I WOULD SIMPLY SUMMARIZE
9:37:47AM THIS SAYING, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO AWARD US A
9:37:53AM CONTRACT.
9:37:54AM I AM A 100% DISABLED MILITARY VETERAN.
9:37:59AM I AM VERIFIED BY THE VA AND CERTIFIED BY THE STATE OF
9:38:05AM FLORIDA, SINCE I'M OUT OF TIME, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY, THERE
9:38:12AM WERE ONLY THREE BIDDERS.
9:38:14AM NO BIDDER IS ENTITLED TO ANY NUMBER OF DOLLARS OR WORK
9:38:18AM ORDERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE BID.
9:38:20AM NO ONE WOULD BE DISADVANTAGED IF WE'RE AWARDED A CONTRACT.
9:38:24AM AND SO, THEREFORE, I THINK THEY SHOULD AWARD A CONTRACT TO
9:38:27AM ALL THREE FIRMS, INCLUDING US, BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN
9:38:32AM THE RFP DOCUMENT.
9:38:34AM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND WHEN THE MATTER FINALLY COMES
9:38:38AM UP, I'LL BE HERE AGAIN.
9:38:40AM THANK YOU.
9:38:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:38:41AM BEFORE YOU GO, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:38:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO ADVISE COUNCIL -- SECTION 2-282 IN
9:38:55AM YOUR CODE HAS A PROCUREMENT PROTEST PROCEDURES, A POLICY TO
9:39:01AM BE FOLLOWED.
9:39:02AM THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE PURCHASING
9:39:04AM DEPARTMENT IS AWARE OF YOUR CORRESPONDENCE TO THE CITY
9:39:07AM COUNCIL.
9:39:07AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
9:39:09AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE AWARE OF IT. THAT BEING SAID, I
9:39:15AM WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CODE PROCESS.
9:39:17AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:39:19AM MR. CURTIS AND I HAD A GOOD MEETING YESTERDAY FOR ABOUT AN
9:39:25AM HOUR AND TALKING NOT ONLY ABOUT THIS BID BUT THE ENTIRE MBE
9:39:31AM PROGRAM.
9:39:31AM HE'S BEEN DOING MBE CIVIL CONTRACTING ALL OVER THE STATE AND
9:39:34AM THE COUNTRY FOR MANY YEARS AND IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THE
9:39:39AM SUBJECT.
9:39:40AM I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS PARTICULAR
9:39:43AM ITEM, AS MR. SHELBY SAID OR AS THEY SAID ON TELEVISION,
9:39:49AM WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT.
9:39:50AM NO, I THINK THAT WAS OUR PRESIDENT ABOUT BUT WHAT I WILL SAY
9:39:53AM IS WHEN HE BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND MR. GUDES ALSO
9:39:59AM WAS VERY AWARE OF IT, I JUST SO HAPPENED, I WAS NEXT MEETING
9:40:05AM WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
9:40:06AM AND I BROUGHT IT TO HIS ATTENTION.
9:40:08AM I NOTIFIED PURCHASING THAT I WAS DOING THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T
9:40:11AM WANT TO BLINDSIDE THEM.
9:40:13AM THE CHIEF OF STAFF WAS VERY INTERESTED.
9:40:16AM HE WAS VERY INTERESTED.
9:40:18AM AND HE SAID HE WOULD DIVE DEEPER INTO IT BEFORE THIS MATTER
9:40:23AM CAME BACK TO COUNCIL.
9:40:24AM SO I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A GOOD
9:40:28AM RESOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY THE CITY, AND MAYBE
9:40:32AM MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION.
9:40:34AM BUT WE ALSO WANT YOUR CONTINUED INPUT ON HOW WE CAN DO A
9:40:41AM BETTER JOB ON MBE AND I THINK YOU'LL HELP US WITH THAT
9:40:44AM TONIGHT.
9:40:44AM >> I PLAN ON BEING HERE TONIGHT.
9:40:46AM LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF WE'RE AWARDED A
9:40:49AM CONTRACT AS WE PROPOSED, WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO HIRE
9:40:53AM UP TO 30 INDIVIDUALS.
9:40:56AM THIS DOES NOT CONSIDER WHAT HAS COME UP SINCE THIS JOB BID
9:40:59AM IN JULY.
9:41:00AM PIPES HAVE COME UP SINCE THEN.
9:41:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, SIR, I'LL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS TO
9:41:04AM FINISH UP.
9:41:05AM >> WE SIMPLY ARE TRYING TO USE THE SUCCESS WE'VE HAD OVER
9:41:14AM THREE DECADES TO ASSIST CITIZENS AND SMALL FIRMS WHO HAVE
9:41:17AM NOT HAD THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.
9:41:18AM THANK YOU.
9:41:22AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CURTIS, A LOT OF TIMES I SAY THAT WE
9:41:24AM DON'T KNOW THINGS TO KNOW THINGS.
9:41:26AM YOU OFFERED US TWO OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAYBE WE'RE NOT
9:41:33AM LOOKING AT.
9:41:34AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING PERSISTENT.
9:41:36AM SOME PEOPLE GIVE UP BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT ROADBLOCK IS
9:41:40AM THERE.
9:41:40AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR NOT GIVING UP.
9:41:46AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES KNOWS ABOUT BEING PERSISTENT.
9:41:49AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:41:50AM >>BILL CARLSON: I DID NOT MEET WITH YOU AND I DON'T KNOW
9:41:52AM VERY MUCH ABOUT YOUR PARTICULAR ISSUE, BUT I KNOW THAT THE
9:41:55AM MAYOR AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE
9:41:58AM DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY AND PURCHASING IS ONE THAT THEY ARE
9:42:00AM LOOKING CLOSELY AT TO TRY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.
9:42:07AM IF YOU TALK TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND YOU COLLECTIVELY HAVE
9:42:10AM RECOMMENDATIONS ON SYSTEMIC POLICY CHANGES WE CAN MAKE, I
9:42:14AM THINK WE WOULD BE OPEN TO HEARING THOSE AS WE GO ALONG.
9:42:17AM AS THE OTHERS SAID, I WOULD SUGGEST SPEAKING TO CHIEF OF
9:42:20AM STAFF IF WE CAN.
9:42:23AM >> MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
9:42:25AM LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
9:42:28AM I'VE BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR MANY YEARS, BUT I DON'T SEEM
9:42:31AM TO GET NO RESULTS.
9:42:32AM AND NOTICE I DON'T STAND WHEN THEY PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE
9:42:36AM FLAG BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL TRUTHFUL.
9:42:38AM TALK ABOUT FREEDOM AND JUSTICE.
9:42:40AM WE DON'T HAVE NO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE HERE.
9:42:44AM PEOPLE OF COLOR.
9:42:44AM I'M GOING TO READ SOME SCRIPTURE TO YOU ALL, WHICH IS JESUS
9:42:48AM CHRIST SAYING.
9:42:50AM A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE I'M A BELIEVER, BUT I
9:42:55AM DON'T HATE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE A NONBELIEVER.
9:42:58AM WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
9:43:00AM BEHOLD I COME QUICKLY.
9:43:02AM BLESSED IS HE THAT KEEP THE SAYING OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS
9:43:05AM BOOK.
9:43:05AM NOW, I, JOHN, SAW AND HEARD THESE THINGS.
9:43:08AM AND WHEN I HEARD AND SEEN, I FELL DOWN TO WORSHIP BEFORE THE
9:43:14AM FEET OF THE ANGEL WHICH SHOWED ME THESE THINGS.
9:43:17AM THEN SAID UNTO ME, SEE THAT YOU DO IT NOT.
9:43:20AM FOR I AM THE FELLOW SERVANT AND OF YOUR BRETHREN THE
9:43:25AM PROPHETS AND THEM KEEPING THE SAYINGS OF THIS BOOK.
9:43:29AM WORSHIP GOD.
9:43:30AM AND HE SAID UNTO ME, FEAR NOT THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHET OF
9:43:38AM THIS BOOK, FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
9:43:40AM HE THAT IS UNJUST, LET HIM BE UNJUST STILL.
9:43:44AM HE WHICH IS FILTHY, LET HIM BE FILTHY STILL.
9:43:47AM AND HE THAT IS RIGHTEOUS, LET HIM BE RIGHTEOUS STILL.
9:43:51AM AND HE THAT IS HOLY, LET HIM BE HOLY STILL.
9:43:56AM AND BEHOLD I COME QUICKLY AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME, TO GIVE
9:43:59AM TO EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORK SHALL BE.
9:44:04AM I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END,
9:44:04AM FIRST AND THE LAST.
9:44:07AM BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO THIS COMMANDMENT, THAT THEY MAY
9:44:10AM HAVE THE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE AND MAY ENTER THROUGH THE
9:44:15AM GATES INTO THE CITY.
9:44:16AM THE REASON I'M READING THIS SCRIPTURE HERE TO YOU ALL, I
9:44:20AM KNOW LOT OF YOU ALL AIN'T GOING TO PAY NO ATTENTION, BUT
9:44:23AM GOD'S WILL WILL BE DONE.
9:44:25AM GOD SAID THIS HIMSELF.
9:44:27AM WHEN YOU SEND HIS WORDS OUT, THEY WILL NOT COME BACK.
9:44:31AM EVERYTHING THAT GOD SPEAK ABOUT, I GUARANTEE, GOD GOING TO
9:44:34AM GET THE RESULTS OF.
9:44:35AM SO WE HAVE TO THANK GOD FOR THIS DAY.
9:44:38AM AND QUIT JUST LOOKING AT THE COLOR OF PEOPLE'S SKIN AND DO
9:44:42AM JUSTICE FOR EVERYBODY.
9:44:43AM I'VE BEEN LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET FOR 30 YEARS,
9:44:49AM AND I DON'T GET NO RESULTS.
9:44:52AM I'VE BEEN CALLING ON YOU-ALL TO COME AND RESPECT ME AND MY
9:44:56AM PEOPLE.
9:44:57AM THEY DONE BLOCK ME FROM GETTING TO MY PARKING LOT.
9:45:01AM I WAS TAKING CARE OF THE POOR AND THE HUNGRY WHILE YOU ALL
9:45:04AM WERE SITTING ON YOUR BUTT DOING NOTHING.
9:45:07AM I THANK GOD THAT HE ABLED ME TO DO SO.
9:45:09AM YOU KNOW WHAT?
9:45:10AM WE NEED TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER.
9:45:12AM DON'T JUST PRAY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND COUNTY COMMISSION.
9:45:16AM PRAY FOR EVERYBODY.
9:45:18AM JESUS CHRIST SAY WE NEED TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER, BUT WE
9:45:22AM DON'T WANT TO PRAY FOR FRANK WILLIAMS, BUT I GUARANTEE YOU I
9:45:22AM GET RESULTS FROM JESUS CHRIST.
9:45:23AM THANK YOU FOR HIS MANY BLESSING.
9:45:28AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
9:45:29AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:45:37AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:45:38AM ELLEN SNELLING.
9:45:39AM I AM THE BOARD CHAIR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ANTI-DRUG
9:45:42AM ALLIANCE AND ALSO THE MOTHER OF A DAUGHTER IN RECOVERY.
9:45:45AM I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT
9:45:47AM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER THAT IT'S AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE
9:45:51AM FOR OUR COUNTY.
9:45:52AM MY DAUGHTER GRADUATED FROM A DIFFERENT TREATMENT COURT, THE
9:45:55AM JUVENILE DRUG COURT.
9:45:56AM I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE TREATMENT COURTS HERE.
9:45:58AM I THINK WE'RE BLESSED IN OUR COUNTY TO HAVE SO MANY TO HELP
9:46:01AM OUR CITIZENS.
9:46:02AM THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ANTI-DRUG ALLIANCE IS A NONPROFIT
9:46:05AM WHOSE MISSION IS TO PREVENT USE OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
9:46:07AM WE'RE LOCATED AT 2815 EAST HENRY AVENUE.
9:46:11AM THE REASON I'M GIVING YOU THE ADDRESS IS THAT WE WERE
9:46:14AM INFORMED THAT ACROSS THE STREET ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF
9:46:16AM DOWN THERE IS A MARIJUANA PROCESSING -- MEDICAL MARIJUANA
9:46:22AM PROCESSING CENTER AND DISPENSARY THAT WANTS TO GET A PERMIT.
9:46:26AM WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BUSINESS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
9:46:29AM LOCATED NEAR SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
9:46:31AM FACILITIES, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING UNITS, EASTER SEALS OFFICE,
9:46:34AM DAY CARE SCHOOLS --
9:46:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: MA'AM, YES, AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN
9:46:38AM DINGFELDER IS THAT QUASI-JUDICIAL?
9:46:40AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE COMING
9:46:42AM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL?
9:46:44AM >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
9:46:45AM I BELIEVE IT'S BEING HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
9:46:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK SHE MAY BE RIGHT.
9:46:50AM I THINK I HEARD ABOUT THIS.
9:46:53AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
9:46:53AM OTHERWISE, CERTAINLY SHE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
9:46:56AM IT'S NOT SET ON TODAY'S AGENDA.
9:46:58AM IF IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE
9:47:03AM CORRECTIVE ACTION.
9:47:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:47:04AM GOOD CALL.
9:47:07AM >> THERE WAS A NOTICE THAT YOU COULD GET CITIZENS' INPUT BUT
9:47:12AM AS FAR AS WE KNOW WE GOT A LETTER COMING BACK SAYING IT WAS
9:47:14AM APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.
9:47:16AM WE HAVE YOUTH GROUPS, STUDENTS WORKING AGAINST TOBACCO AND
9:47:19AM YOUTH MAKING A DIFFERENCE THAT MEET AND HOLD EVENTS AT OUR
9:47:22AM OFFICE.
9:47:23AM WE FEEL LIKE HAVING A MARIJUANA PROCESSING PLANT AND
9:47:27AM DISPENSARY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET BASICALLY WOULD SEND THE
9:47:30AM WRONG MESSAGE TO THESE STUDENTS.
9:47:34AM MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS A CASH ONLY BUSINESS, COMBINATION OF
9:47:36AM LARGE AMOUNTS OF CASH, LARGE AMOUNTS OF DRUG CAN ATTRACT
9:47:39AM CRIME THAT WOULD ENDANGER RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING
9:47:42AM FACILITIES.
9:47:43AM THERE'S ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
9:47:45AM HENRY AVENUE IS A PRETTY NARROW ROAD.
9:47:47AM IT'S JUST TWO LANES, RAILROAD TRACK, AND THERE WOULD BE A
9:47:51AM GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC ONCE THIS PLACE WOULD OPEN.
9:47:54AM THE PROPOSED MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROCESSING CENTER IS NOT
9:47:59AM COMPATIBLE WITH A RESIDENTIAL KID FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD AND
9:48:02AM MAY LEAD TO INCREASED HEALTH AND SAFETY RISKS FOR CHILDREN
9:48:06AM AND FAMILIES.
9:48:06AM WE'D LIKE TO TRY TO STOP TRUE LEAF FROM BUILDING THIS
9:48:08AM FACILITY.
9:48:09AM THE PROCESSING PLANT, ACCORDING TO YOUR ORDINANCE, CAN BE UP
9:48:12AM TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET.
9:48:14AM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
9:48:15AM ONE WOULD BE PROCESSING AND ONE WOULD BE THE DISPENSARY.
9:48:18AM IF YOU CANNOT STOP THEM FROM COMING INTO THIS LOWER INCOME
9:48:21AM NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN-RELATED TYPES OF
9:48:26AM ORGANIZATIONS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO
9:48:30AM PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE AND TO
9:48:33AM GIVE CITIZENS A VOICE.
9:48:34AM IF THEY DON'T WANT THESE KIND OF FACILITIES IN THEIR
9:48:37AM NEIGHBORHOOD, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME HERE AND
9:48:40AM TALK TO ABOUT IT AND TRY TO STOP IT.
9:48:42AM THANK YOU.
9:48:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:48:44AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:48:50AM >> HI THERE.
9:48:51AM MY NAME IS SUSAN MORGAN.
9:48:53AM I AM WITH GRACEPOINT.
9:48:54AM WE ARE LOCATED AT 5707 NORTH 22nd STREET.
9:48:58AM WE HAVE BEEN IN THAT LOCATION FOR 70 YEARS.
9:49:02AM FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH US, WE ARE A
9:49:05AM MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT PROVIDER.
9:49:08AM IN ADDITION TO AN ARRAY OF OTHER SERVICES IN TERMS OF
9:49:12AM PRIMARY HEALTH CARE, WE HAVE A DETOX FACILITY ON OUR CAMPUS.
9:49:15AM I'LL SHARE A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT.
9:49:17AM I'M HERE TODAY IN REGARD TO TRULY WANTING TO OPEN A MEDICAL
9:49:22AM MARIJUANA PROCESSING AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITY RIGHT NEXT
9:49:26AM DOOR TO GRACEPOINT.
9:49:27AM AND THAT ADDRESS IS 2614 EAST HENRY AVENUE.
9:49:31AM NOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE NOTHING IN PLACE AT THIS
9:49:35AM POINT IN TIME TO PREVENT THEM FROM OPENING AT THIS LOCATION,
9:49:40AM BUT WE ARE COMING BEFORE YOU TODAY JUST TO BRING SOME
9:49:42AM AWARENESS TO SAY HOW CAN WE BETTER PLAN FOR OUR CITY IN THE
9:49:47AM FUTURE AND PERHAPS RELOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE IN
9:49:49AM TERMS OF ORDINANCES OR OTHER MEASURES THAT MAYBE WE CAN PUT
9:49:54AM IN PLACE SO THEY ARE NOT CO-LOCATED OR IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO
9:49:59AM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, SCHOOLS, CHILDREN, AND MENTAL HEALTH
9:50:02AM FACILITIES.
9:50:03AM SO I BROUGHT MY SHOW AND TELL FOR TODAY.
9:50:06AM I'M SORRY, I KNOW NORMALLY THEY HAVE THIS THING HERE.
9:50:09AM BUT IF I CAN JUST SHOW YOU JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR
9:50:12AM WITH THIS PARTICULAR STREET, FROM 22nd TO 30th STREET,
9:50:16AM GRACEPOINT HAS 21 ACRES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
9:50:19AM AND IN BETWEEN THERE, THERE'S TWO RESIDENTIAL SUPPORTIVE
9:50:25AM HOUSING PROPERTIES THAT WE, GRACEPOINT, HAVE WORKED IN
9:50:29AM COLLABORATION WITH DDA DEVELOPMENT TO BRING $30 MILLION FROM
9:50:32AM TALLAHASSEE THROUGH THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM TO PROVIDE
9:50:35AM AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
9:50:36AM THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE CITY.
9:50:40AM DIDN'T COST THE COUNTY.
9:50:41AM SO WE'RE GIVING BACK.
9:50:42AM IT PROVIDES HOUSING FOR FOLKS IN A MANNER THAT THEY WOULDN'T
9:50:47AM BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE ELSEWHERE.
9:50:48AM WE'RE ALSO ONE OF NINE CENTRAL RECEIVING FACILITIES ACROSS
9:50:51AM THE STATE.
9:50:52AM WE HAVE ONE OF FEW MOBILE CRISIS CENTERS ACROSS THE STATE OF
9:50:56AM FLORIDA.
9:50:56AM WE'RE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES.
9:50:58AM BUT ALONG THIS STREET, THERE ARE ALSO TWO SKILLS ON EITHER
9:51:02AM END.
9:51:02AM EAST HENRY ACADEMY AND CARVER MIDDLE SCHOOL ON THE OTHER
9:51:05AM END.
9:51:06AM ALSO EASTER SEALS, A DAY CARE ACROSS THE STREET AND HEAD
9:51:09AM START.
9:51:09AM IN ADDITION TO ALL THE RESIDENTIAL THAT SURROUNDS THIS
9:51:12AM PROPERTY, IT AVERAGES ABOUT A THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
9:51:14AM SO YOU SAY YOU'RE PROBABLY LIKE ME, WHAT DOES IT REALLY
9:51:17AM MEAN?
9:51:18AM HOW DOES THIS IMPACT?
9:51:19AM I STARTED RESEARCHING BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE MYSELF.
9:51:22AM I LOOKED AT OTHER STATES AND WHAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE, AND
9:51:26AM THEY HAVE PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND
9:51:30AM VICINITY REQUIREMENTS.
9:51:32AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY RESTRICTION IS
9:51:35AM 500 FEET FROM A SCHOOL.
9:51:36AM BOTH THE SCHOOLS THAT I MENTIONED ARE JUST OUTSIDE 500 FEET.
9:51:40AM I THINK IN OUR CITY, WE CARE ABOUT PEOPLE AND THE WELLNESS
9:51:44AM OF FOLKS, AND WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW,
9:51:49AM LIVE AND WORK TOGETHER BUT WE NEED TO DO IT IN A RESPECTFUL
9:51:53AM MANNER.
9:51:54AM [BEEP]
9:51:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
9:51:55AM >> IF I CAN MAKE ONE FINAL COMMENT?
9:51:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU HAVE TEN SECONDS.
9:51:58AM >> THANK YOU.
9:51:59AM WE'RE ASKING FOR STAFF, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ASK STAFF TO
9:52:02AM PLEASE EXPLORE OPTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS GOING FORWARD, HOW
9:52:07AM WE CAN MANAGE THESE SITES.
9:52:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:52:09AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:52:29AM >> TERESA MILLER.
9:52:30AM I WILL BE BRIEF.
9:52:31AM I THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP IF YOU GUYS GOT A VISUAL AS TO
9:52:35AM WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN OUR STATE SINCE MARIJUANA HAS BEEN
9:52:38AM LEGALIZED AS MEDICINE.
9:52:39AM JUST THIS PAST YEAR, BECAUSE SMOKEABLE MARIJUANA WAS
9:52:42AM ALLOWED, WE'VE HAD OVER 33% INCREASE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE
9:52:46AM REGISTERED THAT THEY NEED THIS MEDICATION.
9:52:50AM HONESTLY USE THAT TERM LOOSELY.
9:52:52AM IN TAMPA, WHEN I WENT ON THE WEBSITE THIS MORNING AND
9:52:54AM COUNTED, WE ALREADY HAVE 19 PLACES THAT CAN DISPENSE
9:52:59AM MARIJUANA, AND THAT'S OFFICIAL.
9:53:00AM I'M GOING TO GUESS SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE
9:53:02AM ADVERTISING THAT THEY HAVE CBD.
9:53:05AM NO ONE TESTS IT.
9:53:07AM IT'S NOT FDA APPROVED.
9:53:08AM YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM THOSE LITTLE SHOPS
9:53:12AM THAT -- SMOKE SHOPS AND ALL.
9:53:14AM TEN LOCATIONS THIS PAST MONTH HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDED TO
9:53:19AM STATEWIDE.
9:53:20AM I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED ANY MORE OF
9:53:24AM THESE PLACES, ESPECIALLY NEAR A SCHOOL ON MY CHART, YOU CAN
9:53:29AM SEE I PUT INFORMATION.
9:53:31AM ONE OUNCE OF MARIJUANA DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH.
9:53:33AM I -- 70 JOINTS IS WHAT IT MAKES.
9:53:37AM SOME PLACES I FOUND WHEN I WENT ON ALL SORTS OF WEBSITES
9:53:41AM SAID 50 AND SOME SAID 90.
9:53:43AM THIS IS REALLY SORT OF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
9:53:45AM IT COULD BE MORE OR LESS.
9:53:47AM IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE AT THE FLORIDA, HOW MUCH WAS
9:53:50AM DISPENSED.
9:53:51AM JUST IN A WEEK, OVER 10,000-OUNCES.
9:53:56AM THAT'S A LOT OF MARIJUANA.
9:53:58AM I WAS JUST GIVING YOU SOME INFORMATION AND SOME RESOURCES SO
9:54:03AM THAT YOU COULD BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS IMPACTING OUR
9:54:06AM COMMUNITY.
9:54:06AM ON THE BACK SIDE, I WENT TO THE KNOW THE FACTS WEBSITE JUST
9:54:10AM SO YOU COULD SEE.
9:54:12AM TRUE LEAF I BELIEVE IS THE ONE THAT WANTS TO ADD YET ANOTHER
9:54:16AM MARIJUANA PLACE IN OUR CITY.
9:54:21AM I DIDN'T COUNT HOW MANY ARE IN TAMPA, BUT OVERALL, THERE'S
9:54:24AM 19 IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
9:54:26AM I JUST WANT TO SAY I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE IN THE PAST AND I'M
9:54:30AM STILL ABSOLUTELY AGAINST MARIJUANA, BUT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE
9:54:33AM LOOK AT IT AS WE'RE NOT COMPASSIONATE AND NOTHING COULD BE
9:54:37AM FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
9:54:38AM I SPEND MY LIFE HELPING SAVE LIVES OF PEOPLE FROM ADDICTION.
9:54:42AM AND MARIJUANA, IF YOU EVER GO TO ANY TREATMENT CENTER, IS
9:54:45AM THE NUMBER ONE DRUG THAT LED PEOPLE THERE.
9:54:48AM AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND OUR NATION AS
9:54:51AM MARIJUANA HAS BEEN LEGALIZED.
9:54:52AM HOWEVER WE CAN HELP GIVE YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT REALLY WHAT'S
9:54:57AM HAPPENING, I'LL BE GLAD TO HELP.
9:54:59AM THANK YOU.
9:54:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:55:01AM NEXT, PLEASE.
9:55:06AM >> CONNIE BURTON.
9:55:08AM IN THE PRAYER OF SAYING HOW GREAT THIS COUNTRY IS, I WANT
9:55:18AM YOU TO BE REMINDED THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 400 YEARS OF IT NOT
9:55:21AM BEING SO GREAT AS IT RELATES TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.
9:55:25AM 246 YEARS OF DIRECT SLAVERY, FOLLOWED BY JIM CROWISM,
9:55:34AM FOLLOWED BY LYNCHING, FOLLOWED BY REDLINING, FOLLOWED BY
9:55:38AM KILLING OUR CHILDREN, FOLLOWED BY MASS INCARCERATION.
9:55:41AM THAT'S ALL HERE IN AMERICA.
9:55:42AM ALL OF IT.
9:55:43AM AND ON TOP OF THAT, THE GALL OF ANYBODY IN ADMINISTRATION
9:55:52AM THAT WILL EVEN CONSENT TO ALLOWING A DISPENSARY TO COME IN
9:55:56AM THE HEART OF A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY SO MANY
9:56:01AM YOUNG BLACK MEN AND WOMEN GOING TO PRISON WHY?
9:56:05AM FOR TOUCHING MARIJUANA.
9:56:08AM 1,000 FEET OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU LIVED IN PUBLIC
9:56:11AM HOUSING, WHOLE FAMILY HAD TO GO.
9:56:14AM BY THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE NOW MAYOR THAT WAS THE POLICE
9:56:18AM CHIEF.
9:56:18AM RAN OUT COMMUNITY DRY, RIGHT?
9:56:22AM BECAUSE MARIJUANA WAS DISCOURAGED.
9:56:24AM NOW MARIJUANA IS BECOMING THE TRINKLING OF YOUNG CAPITALIST
9:56:32AM DREAM THAT IS NOW THEIR WHITE GOAL.
9:56:35AM RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY.
9:56:36AM I CALL MY CITY COUNCILMAN BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW AND IT'S
9:56:41AM BEING RUMORED.
9:56:42AM AND WE ARE FEARFUL.
9:56:43AM WE HAVE NOT SEEN ONE VACATION OF ANY OF THESE DRUG ARRESTS
9:56:47AM AS IT RELATES TO MARIJUANA AND NOW PEOPLE HAVE ON NEW
9:56:50AM BLINDERS THAT THEY DON'T SEE IT AS THE CRIME OF ALL CRIMES.
9:56:55AM IF THEY COME IT WILL BE A PROBLEM, IF IT RESTS IN EAST TAMPA
9:56:59AM IT WILL BE A PROBLEM.
9:57:02AM IF YOU THINK IT'S GOOD, TAKE IT TO BAYSHORE BECAUSE IT'S NOT
9:57:05AM GOOD FOR US.
9:57:06AM NOT UNTIL WE RECTIFY THE WRONGS OF THE PAST.
9:57:11AM WE WANT OUR DAMN PEOPLE OUT OF THESE INCARCERATION HOLOCAUST
9:57:16AM CAMPS CALLED PRISONS BASED ON THAT DRUG.
9:57:19AM I DON'T CARE WHO SMOKE IT, BUT DO RIGHT WHAT'S RIGHT.
9:57:22AM SECONDLY, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
9:57:30AM I LOOKED AT THE MAYOR'S BUDGET AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN
9:57:34AM THERE THAT RELATES TO ALL THE PROMISES MADE, EVERYTHING THAT
9:57:37AM YOU ALL SAID WHEN YOU CAME TO OUR COMMUNITY.
9:57:40AM I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE IS MAKING THEIR LEGACY COUNT NOW OR
9:57:44AM IF THEY ALREADY IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEXT CYCLE OF
9:57:47AM ELECTIONS BECAUSE THEY BRING ONE DAMN THING TO OUR
9:57:50AM COMMUNITY.
9:57:51AM WE WANT WORKING CLASS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ALL OF THE
9:57:55AM MENS AND WOMENS THAT WORK AT THE FAST-FOOD STOPS, THAT TAKE
9:57:58AM CARE OF YOUR MAMAS WHEN THEY COME TO THE NURSING HOME, TO
9:58:03AM THE CHILD CARE STOP.
9:58:05AM WE WANT DIGNITY FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOW-WAGE INCOME.
9:58:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
9:58:11AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:58:14AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM QUITE UPSET AND DISTURBED OF THE CALLS
9:58:17AM THAT I RECEIVED IN REFERENCE TO THIS -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
9:58:27AM GENTLEMEN KNOW OF THAT STREET.
9:58:29AM THAT STREET HAS A LOT OF CARING FOLKS THAT DO GOOD IN OUR
9:58:33AM COMMUNITY.
9:58:33AM THERE ARE SEVERAL SCHOOLS ON THAT STREET.
9:58:35AM WE HAVE A POLICE COMMUNICATIONS ON THAT STREET, FIRE RESCUE
9:58:38AM ON THAT STREET.
9:58:39AM YOU HAVE EASTER SEALS.
9:58:41AM YOU HAVE DRUG ADDICTION PLACES ON THAT STREET.
9:58:44AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS OR THE ZONING OR WHAT HAVE
9:58:46AM YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THE STAFF TO BRING US A REPORT IN
9:58:51AM REFERENCE TO WHAT'S BEING BUILT, IN REFERENCE TO THIS
9:58:57AM FACILITY, AND ALSO TO LOOK INTO WHERE THESE FACILITIES ARE
9:58:59AM BEING PUT.
9:59:00AM NOW, SAYING PUT THIS IN EAST TAMPA RIGHT AT 22nd IN THE
9:59:05AM HEART OF THAT, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.
9:59:07AM I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN STOP THAT OR NOT, THE IMPLICATIONS,
9:59:10AM THAT'S A PROBLEM.
9:59:11AM GOING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO MAKE A REPORT IN
9:59:14AM REFERENCE TO THE USE OF THESE FACILITIES WITHIN THE
9:59:16AM BOUNDARIES, AND WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT COMING UP WITH AN
9:59:21AM ORDINANCE TO PREVENT THESE THINGS FROM HAPPENING.
9:59:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A SECOND.
9:59:24AM USUALLY I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF MAKING MOTIONS DURING PUBLIC
9:59:28AM COMMENT BUT I'LL LET THIS ONE.
9:59:30AM THAT'S FINE.
9:59:30AM BEFORE COUNCILMAN GUDES, DO YOU WANT A REPORT OR STAFF TO
9:59:33AM COME HERE PERSONALLY OR BOTH?
9:59:35AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BOTH.
9:59:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:59:36AM JUST SO WE SPECIFY.
9:59:39AM >> WOULD YOU LIKE IT --
9:59:42AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEXT MEETING.
9:59:45AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:59:46AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, I AGREE WITH YOU.
9:59:48AM I THINK WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING UP ON ZONING AS FAR AS
9:59:50AM SPACES BETWEEN CHAPTER 14, AB SALES, BETWEEN SCHOOLS AND
10:00:00AM RELIGIOUS PLACES.
10:00:01AM BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU.
10:00:03AM THIS IS AN EPIDEMIC THAT'S WAITING TO HAPPEN.
10:00:07AM RIGHT NOW -- RIGHT NOW, ZONING, IT CAN BE PUT THERE.
10:00:13AM I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT ZONING, ESPECIALLY ON
10:00:15AM THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
10:00:18AM WHY NOT HAVE THESE IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS WHERE THERE'S NO
10:00:21AM SCHOOLS, THERE'S NO RESIDENCES.
10:00:24AM IF YOU WANT TO GO, YOU CAN GO.
10:00:26AM IF YOU WANT TO GET IT, YOU CAN GO GET IT.
10:00:28AM KEEP IT AWAY FROM AREAS LIKE THIS ON 22nd STREET, WHICH IS
10:00:31AM NEXT TO GRACEPOINT, WHICH IS NEXT TO SCHOOLS, WHICH IS NEXT
10:00:34AM TO HOUSING, WHICH IS NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL.
10:00:36AM THANK YOU.
10:00:37AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, A SECOND
10:00:39AM BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:00:40AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:00:41AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:00:42AM NEXT, PLEASE.
10:00:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:00:45AM NAME IS MENTESMOT.
10:00:48AM THE CONCERN ALWAYS HAVE TO BE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:00:52AM THE BIG WORD WE AS AFRICANS HAVE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND AND
10:00:56AM REALLY BE PASSIONATE ABOUT IS REPARATIONS.
10:01:00AM 600 YEARS, EQUIVALENT TO $600 TRILLION.
10:01:03AM 600 YEARS, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO $600 TRILLION.
10:01:07AM THEY CAN'T STOP THAT OVER THERE.
10:01:10AM THEY CAN'T STOP CASPER AND BAYSHORE FOR PUTTING THE
10:01:13AM RECREATIONAL ALCOHOL SERVING BAR, WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO
10:01:16AM DO, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP IT ANYWHERE ELSE.
10:01:19AM AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE STOPPED.
10:01:21AM IT'S BECAUSE THESE DEALS ARE MADE BEFOREHAND.
10:01:25AM AND THEY JUST PUT IN PLACE.
10:01:27AM THEY CAN'T STOP THE MAN DOWN HERE.
10:01:29AM CAN'T STOP VINIK AT CHANNELSIDE.
10:01:32AM THEY CAN'T STOP NOBODY.
10:01:33AM CAN'T PUSH MORGAN AND MORGAN WHO IS PUSHING MARIJUANA ON
10:01:36AM PEOPLE AND SAYING THEY DEFEND THEM ON THE OTHER HAND.
10:01:39AM THEY CAN'T STOP NONE OF THAT.
10:01:40AM CAN'T GET MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN OUT OF PRISON, WHO ARE
10:01:45AM INCARCERATED FOR MARIJUANA AND OTHER DRUGS THAT WHITE PEOPLE
10:01:48AM USE FREELY AND NEVER TOUCH THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR, NEVER
10:01:52AM SEE A HANDCUFF OVER.
10:01:54AM IT'S A CONTRADICTION TAKING PLACE.
10:01:56AM IT'S A REAL CONTRADICTION.
10:01:57AM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:02:01AM THEY COULDN'T STOP THE LIQUOR STORES ON EVERY CORNER INSIDE
10:02:04AM THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
10:02:07AM IT'S A LIQUOR STORE.
10:02:08AM IT'S A BAR.
10:02:09AM IT'S PLACES THAT'S ADVERTISING TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
10:02:12AM ALCOHOL, DRUGS, ALCOHOL, AND TOBACCO, THAT'S KING.
10:02:16AM WHEN COTTON WAS KING AND WE'RE ALWAYS THE VICTIMS OF IT.
10:02:19AM WE'RE ALWAYS THE VICTIMS OF IT.
10:02:21AM YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS CITY
10:02:24AM COUNCIL, AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THESE PEOPLE, WHEN
10:02:27AM THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE UP HERE AND WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT
10:02:30AM IS UP HERE GETTING AWARDS, THEY INTERRUPT ALL IN BETWEEN.
10:02:34AM NO REGULATIONS, NO RULES, NO PROCEDURES, NO ANYTHING.
10:02:38AM BUT WHEN THE WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE OR BUSINESS PEOPLE OR
10:02:43AM HOMELESS PEOPLE TAKE THEIR TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND
10:02:47AM SACRIFICE THEIR TIME, THEY HAVE NO DIGNITY AND NO RESPECT
10:02:52AM FOR US.
10:02:53AM ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE.
10:02:54AM YOU INTERRUPT US WHEN WE SPEAK.
10:02:56AM YOU SAY THE PEOPLE CAN'T CHEER, THEY CAN'T MAKE COMMENTS,
10:03:02AM THEY CAN'T RESPOND, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
10:03:04AM LIKE WE'RE IN THE -- PROLETARIAT THAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER.
10:03:11AM AND IF CESAR DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, CESAR GONNA PUT YOU
10:03:14AM OUT.
10:03:15AM THEY GOING TO HAVE THE POLICE ARREST YOU.
10:03:16AM THEY GONNA DO ALL THIS.
10:03:17AM IT'S A POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE.
10:03:19AM THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
10:03:20AM AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:03:22AM YOU TRY TO EVEN QUIET THE AUDIENCE, BUT WHEN THE OFFICERS
10:03:25AM ARE UP HERE, YOU ALL CHEERING AND DOING THIS AND DOING THAT.
10:03:29AM MAN, IT'S WRONG.
10:03:30AM IT'S DISGRACEFUL.
10:03:32AM IT IS THE HATE YOU ALL HAVE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:03:34AM IT IS THE HATE YOU ALL HAVE FOR ADVANCEMENT.
10:03:36AM AND IT IS THE HATE AND INTOLERANCE.
10:03:38AM YOU ALL ALWAYS CLAIM INCLUSIVENESS BUT IT'S A SPECIAL HATE
10:03:44AM YOU ALL HAVE FOR PEOPLE YOU FEEL CAN'T REPRESENT THEMSELVES.
10:03:48AM [BEEP]
10:03:48AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:03:49AM NEXT, PLEASE.
10:03:53AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:03:54AM MY NAME IS ERNEST JOHNSON.
10:03:56AM I WANT TO FINISH THE ISSUE ABOUT THE MARIJUANA DISPENSARY IN
10:03:59AM EAST TAMPA.
10:04:01AM ONE OF YOU ASKED WHAT IS A RULE IN OUR STATUTE THAT DOESN'T
10:04:05AM ALLOW SUCH A THING IN THAT COMMUNITY.
10:04:09AM SECTION 227-240 EAST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT DESIGN
10:04:16AM STANDARDS, DOES NOT ALLOW THAT TYPE OF BUILDING IN THAT ZONE
10:04:20AM AT ALL.
10:04:21AM BECAUSE TO PROTECT A DISPENSARY, IT HAS TO BE BUILT A
10:04:25AM CERTAIN WAY.
10:04:25AM IT HAS TO BE SECURED A CERTAIN WAY.
10:04:27AM IT HAS TO HAVE CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY
10:04:32AM DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS DOES NOT ALLOW.
10:04:35AM SECTION 27-240, IT DOES NOT ALLOW THAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION,
10:04:40AM THAT KIND OF BUILDING IN THAT AREA AT ALL.
10:04:42AM DESPITE THE OBVIOUS ABOUT HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE SCHOOLS,
10:04:48AM THE DESIGN, THE SECURITY OF SUCH A BUILDING IS NOT APPROVED
10:04:53AM BY THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY IN THAT AREA.
10:04:56AM AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, YOU
10:05:00AM JUST LOOK IT UP.
10:05:01AM AND LIKE -- YOU BRING THE LIQUOR STORE, YOU BRING ALL OF
10:05:07AM THIS TRAGEDY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN YOU LOCK OUR KIDS
10:05:10AM UP WHEN THEY DRIVE DOWN THE STREET FOR A JOINT AND NOW THEY
10:05:13AM HAVE A RECORD AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
10:05:15AM I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT ISSUE.
10:05:17AM BUT I REPRESENT THE FLORIDA RIGHTS RESTORATION COMMISSION,
10:05:21AM AND WE'RE THE GROUP THAT HELPED PASS AMENDMENT 4 LAST YEAR
10:05:24AM AND RETURNED THE VOTING RIGHTS OF 1.4 MILLION EX-FELONS.
10:05:30AM WE CALL OURSELVES -- WE'RE NOT EX-ANYTHING BECAUSE WE
10:05:34AM PARTICIPATED IN THE ARREST, CONVICTION, THE TRIAL, AND WE
10:05:38AM DID OUR SENTENCE, AND NOW WE'RE RETURNING TO SOCIETY.
10:05:41AM AND WE'RE RETURNING WITH NOTHING.
10:05:44AM AND THIS IS THE CORE REASON WHY PEOPLE RETURN TO PRISON.
10:05:48AM THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.
10:05:49AM I'M PROPOSING THAT A COUNCIL MEETING SET UP AN EXPLORATORY
10:05:55AM COMMISSION TO SEE ABOUT PUBLIC HOUSING, ANY KIND OF HOUSING
10:06:00AM FOR RETURNING CITIZENS.
10:06:01AM THIS REVOLVING DOOR, LOCKING YOU UP AND THROWING YOU ON THE
10:06:05AM STREET WITH 50 BUCKS, IT HAS TO STOP.
10:06:07AM MOST OF YOU GUYS, IF YOU GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO CATCH
10:06:09AM THEMSELVES ONCE THEY LEAVE PRISON OR IF JUST PUBLIC HOUSING
10:06:14AM FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING TINY HOUSE
10:06:18AM BUILDING AND VILLAGES FOR THESE GUYS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH I'VE
10:06:22AM BEEN TO PRISON AND STUFF, I OWN HOME, I OWN LOTS AND
10:06:26AM BUILDING, BUT I AM NOT THE AVERAGE RETURNING CITIZEN.
10:06:29AM THEY RETURN TO NOTHING.
10:06:30AM THEY HAVE NOTHING, AND THE CITY HAVE NOTHING FOR THEM.
10:06:33AM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT JUST PUT OUT A
10:06:36AM REPORT THAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS
10:06:39AM SENT MORE PEOPLE TO PRISON CONSISTENTLY WEEK BY WEEK, MONTH
10:06:43AM BY MONTH, 12-MONTH PERIOD THAN ALL THE OTHER 67 COUNTIES PUT
10:06:47AM TOGETHER.
10:06:47AM THIS COUNTY SHOULD OFFER SOMETHING TO A RETURNING CITIZEN
10:06:51AM BESIDES GO DOWN TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND GIVE ME A RECENT
10:06:55AM PICTURE OF YOU AND AN ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBER.
10:06:58AM WE NEED SOMETHING FOR THESE GUYS.
10:07:01AM [BEEP]
10:07:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL GIVE YOU 15 SECONDS TO FINISH IF YOU WANT
10:07:03AM TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHTS.
10:07:05AM >> WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS AN EXPLORATORY COMMISSION FOR
10:07:10AM PUBLIC HOUSING, TINY HOUSE HOUSING, ANYTHING THAT CAN CATCH
10:07:14AM THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY LEAVE PRISON.
10:07:15AM SOMETHING THAT WILL GIVE THEM A -- LISTEN, I'LL GET ME A
10:07:21AM McDONALD'S JOB BECAUSE I CAN AFFORD TINY HOUSING.
10:07:23AM I MIGHT EVEN AFFORD TO OWN THE TINY HOUSING, BUT THIS ON THE
10:07:26AM STREET AND IN THE BUSHES, IT HAS TO STOP.
10:07:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:07:29AM WE APPRECIATE IT.
10:07:31AM NEXT PLEASE.
10:07:39AM >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY
10:07:41AM COUNCIL.
10:07:41AM MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF.
10:07:43AM MY ADDRESS IS SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.
10:07:47AM I'VE HAD THE HONOR OF SERVING ON THE BOARD OF GRACEPOINT
10:07:50AM WELLNESS FOR NEARLY TEN YEARS.
10:07:52AM I URGE YOU TO LOOK AT GRACEPOINT WELLNESS.ORG AND UNDERSTAND
10:07:57AM THEIR MISSION AND THE SUCCESS THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN OUR
10:08:01AM COMMUNITY FOR THE VERY CHALLENGED, MENTALLY ILL CITIZENS OF
10:08:08AM OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTY.
10:08:10AM THIS IS LITERALLY "THE" SAFETY NET FOR MANY PEOPLE, THE
10:08:14AM LIFELINE.
10:08:14AM WE SPENT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND TIME TO BUILD
10:08:19AM THE GRAHAM DORMITORY.
10:08:22AM I ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE GRAHAM ON HENRY STREET OFF OF
10:08:25AM 22nd STREET.
10:08:28AM AND SEE WHAT A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE IT IS AND WHAT A
10:08:33AM WELCOMING FACILITY IT IS FOR OUR UNDERPRIVILEGED CITIZENS
10:08:36AM SUFFERING FROM MENTAL CHALLENGES.
10:08:38AM THIS FACILITY HAS BEEN PERMITTED IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR.
10:08:41AM THEY SHARE A COMMON BOUNDARY LINE.
10:08:43AM SUSAN MORGAN PROVIDED TO ME THE NOTICE THAT WAS ISSUED.
10:08:55AM TO DESCRIBE WHAT WAS GOING ON, IT WAS INDICATED AS MM
10:08:58AM PROCESSING AND DISTRIBUTION.
10:09:00AM NOW, WHAT IS THAT?
10:09:01AM DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS?
10:09:04AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
10:09:06AM SOMEONE ALSO PUT IN, IN WRITING --
10:09:11AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. GRANDOFF, JUST ONE SECOND.
10:09:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT A LAWYER.
10:09:16AM I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:09:18AM I'M SITTING HERE AND LISTENING.
10:09:20AM JUST FROM BEING HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN ALL, TELLING
10:09:23AM ME THAT WE KEEP DISCUSSING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO GET IN A
10:09:26AM HOLE WE'LL NEVER COME OUT OF.
10:09:28AM IF THERE IS A CASE THAT COMES BEFORE US AND WE HAVE TO VOTE
10:09:30AM AND ALL THIS IS BEING SAID TODAY AND THE OTHER PARTY IS NOT
10:09:34AM HERE, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I WISH WE
10:09:38AM WEREN'T DISCUSSING IN CASE IT COMES HERE.
10:09:41AM IF NOT, WHATEVER YOU THINK THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET, THEY
10:09:43AM ARE GOING TO GET EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET IT.
10:09:46AM >> IF THEY GET IT FAIR AND SQUARE --
10:09:48AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT SAYING THAT SIR.
10:09:50AM I'M NOT HERE TO DISPUTE ANYTHING YOU ARE SAYING.
10:09:54AM YOU'RE MUCH SMARTER IN LAW THAN I AM AND RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW
10:09:58AM WE'RE TEETERING ON SOME VIOLATION.
10:10:00AM >> I'LL RESERVE MY COMMENTS.
10:10:02AM I MERELY WANT TO PUT THE NOTICE ISSUE ON RECORD.
10:10:04AM I ASK THAT THE CITY STAFF BE INSTRUCTED TO REPORT TO THE
10:10:07AM COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER.
10:10:08AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:10:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. GRANDOFF.
10:10:10AM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:10:12AM NEXT, PLEASE.
10:10:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SINCE WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT MARIJUANA,
10:10:17AM THERE WAS ANOTHER MARIJUANA LAW -- I'M NOT HERE TO PAT
10:10:19AM ANYBODY ON THE BACK OR ANYTHING ELSE.
10:10:21AM 20 GRAMS.
10:10:22AM YOU CAN CARRY 20 GRAMS AND YOU CAN'T BUY IT AND YOU CAN'T
10:10:27AM SELL IT.
10:10:28AM BUT IF YOU CAN'T BUY AND CAN'T SELL IT, HOW DID YOU GET IT?
10:10:32AM THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
10:10:32AM THE SECOND PART OF THAT LAW SAID THAT THE FIRST TIME THEY
10:10:35AM CAUGHT ANYONE WITH IT, YOU GET SLAPPED ON THE HAND, NOTHING
10:10:40AM HAPPENED.
10:10:40AM BUT THE SECOND TIME YOU GOT CAUGHT WITH IT, OVER 20 GRAMS OR
10:10:45AM SMOKING IT, I GUESS, YOU HAD A $450 FINE.
10:10:49AM BUT IT DIDN'T STOP THERE.
10:10:53AM SO THE SECOND AND THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH AND THOUSAND
10:10:55AM TIMES YOU GOT CAUGHT WITH IT, YOU GOT FIND $450.
10:10:59AM WELL, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
10:11:00AM ONLY ONE PROBLEM.
10:11:02AM WHAT ABOUT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE $450?
10:11:05AM THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
10:11:06AM THANK YOU.
10:11:07AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:11:08AM MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
10:11:09AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:11:11AM CITY COUNCIL CHAIR AND ALL THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL, I WANT
10:11:14AM TO ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENT --
10:11:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, HAVE YOUR NAME?
10:11:18AM >> DIFFERENT TOPIC.
10:11:19AM JULIE REYES.
10:11:21AM I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON CITY COUNCILMAN VIERA'S PLAN FOR
10:11:25AM THE ALL-INCLUSIVE, ALL ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC PARKS.
10:11:28AM I'M COMING TO YOU TODAY AS A TAMPA RESIDENT, AS A MOTHER IN
10:11:33AM THE COMMUNITY, AS A MILITARY SPOUSE, A FAMILY THAT LOCATED
10:11:36AM HERE, AND WE RETIRED HERE.
10:11:39AM WE LOVE OUR TAMPA BAY CITY, OUR TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY AND
10:11:44AM EVERYTHING THAT IT'S DOING TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY AT EVERY
10:11:48AM LEVEL, PARTICULARLY THE PARKS.
10:11:50AM WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I'M A MOTHER OF FOUR.
10:11:52AM I HAVE AN OLDER DAUGHTER.
10:11:54AM I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO GRANDCHILDREN, AND I HAVE TRIPLETS, ONE
10:11:58AM OF WHOM IS DIAGNOSED WITH AUTISM.
10:12:04AM I WANT TO TELL YOU MY EXPERIENCE AS A MOTHER AND THE NEED
10:12:07AM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF PARKS FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS, FOR ALL
10:12:12AM OF OUR CHILDREN, FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND FAMILIES.
10:12:15AM IT WAS AT A PARK WHERE MY SON WHO WAS STRUGGLING WITH SOCIAL
10:12:22AM CONNECTIONS, WITH SENSORY ISSUES, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TIME
10:12:26AM AND TIME AGAIN TO GO TO A PARK WITH THERAPISTS, WITH FAMILY,
10:12:30AM WITH FRIENDS, WITH HIS SISTERS TO WORK ON HIS SKILLS AT
10:12:36AM TIMES TO GO ON A SWING.
10:12:39AM I CAN'T TELL YOU THE NUMBER OF HOURS AND MONTHS AND DAYS
10:12:44AM THAT WE WORKED WITH HIM TO THE DAY THAT HE SLID DOWN THE
10:12:48AM SLIDING BOARD BY HIMSELF.
10:12:51AM THE TIMES WHERE WE WALKED WITH HIM HAND IN HAND AND
10:12:54AM PRACTICED WALKING HAND IN HAND SO THAT HE WOULDN'T ENDANGER
10:12:58AM HIMSELF AND RUN AWAY.
10:13:01AM AND WE DID THAT IN OUR PARKS.
10:13:03AM TO THE TIMES WHERE WE PRACTICED SOCIAL SKILLS OF SAYING, HI,
10:13:07AM MY NAME IS.
10:13:09AM HOW ARE YOU?
10:13:10AM DO YOU WANT TO PLAY?
10:13:11AM AND THIS CAN ONLY HAPPEN IN PARKS THAT ARE INCLUSIVE AND
10:13:20AM ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF OUR CHILDREN.
10:13:22AM WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE OPPORTUNITIES AS PARENTS, AS MEMBERS
10:13:24AM OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:13:24AM OUR THERAPISTS USE THE PARKS.
10:13:27AM OUR SCHOOLTEACHERS AND PROFESSIONALS AND WE OURSELVES USE
10:13:32AM THE PARKS.
10:13:32AM WE USE THEM FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR JUST AS RELIEF.
10:13:39AM AS A PARENT AND AS A MOTHER, WE USE THOSE PARKS TO CONNECT.
10:13:44AM WE CONNECT WITH OTHER PARENTS.
10:13:46AM WE CONNECT WITH OTHER KIDS.
10:13:49AM WE LEARN AND WE NETWORK AND WE WORK TOGETHER.
10:13:51AM I'M URGING YOU GUYS TODAY AS YOU LISTEN TO COUNCILMAN'S
10:13:57AM PROPOSAL AND THE PLAN THAT YOU CONSIDER THIS FUNDING
10:14:01AM STRONGLY AND LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THESE PARKS
10:14:05AM ACCESSIBLE, INCLUSIVE, AND MAINTAIN THESE PARKS SO THAT ALL
10:14:10AM CAN USE THESE PARKS.
10:14:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JULIE.
10:14:13AM WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING FROM THE HEART.
10:14:17AM THANK YOU.
10:14:18AM NEXT WE MOVE FORWARD.
10:14:19AM ARE THERE ANY REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION
10:14:21AM OF ANY LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
10:14:22AM THERE BEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BEFORE THE CONSENT TO
10:14:28AM ITEM 63.
10:14:35AM ALSO, WE HAVE STAFF HERE AS WELL FOR ITEMS, IF IT'S THE
10:14:39AM PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO GO FORWARD, ITEM 62, 66, AS WELL AS
10:14:43AM 15, 44 AND 45.
10:14:45AM I KNOW MS. DUNCAN IS HERE AFTER MR. DIAL, IF IT'S THE
10:14:48AM PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN TAKE THAT UP
10:14:51AM AFTER THIS ONE.
10:14:52AM I WANT TO SPEAK BRIEFLY, IF I MAY, ABOUT WHY I BROUGHT THIS
10:14:56AM FORWARD WITH MR. DIAL.
10:14:57AM I THINK THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
10:15:00AM IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT STEP.
10:15:02AM AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS FOR ALL OF TAMPA, EAST TAMPA,
10:15:06AM NORTH NEW TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, BECAUSE ALL PARTS
10:15:11AM OF OUR CITY HAVE NEEDS WHENEVER IT COMES TO THEIR SPECIAL
10:15:15AM NEEDS FAMILIES.
10:15:15AM AND WE OUGHT TO FOCUS.
10:15:17AM I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
10:15:19AM I THANK YOU, MR. DIAL, FOR YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT'S WORK ON
10:15:23AM THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE PUT IN TIME.
10:15:25AM I WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK YOU.
10:15:28AM >> PAUL DIAL: THANK YOU.
10:15:31AM AS I START OFF HERE.
10:15:33AM I HAVE RAQUEL PANCHO WITH US TODAY.
10:15:37AM SHE IS THE SPECIALIST, SHE IS ACTUALLY OUR ADA COORDINATOR
10:15:42AM FOR THE CITY.
10:15:43AM IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I'M GETTING A LITTLE OFF ON
10:15:46AM SPECIFICS TO THIS SHE CAN SPEAK TO THOSE THINGS FOR US AS WE
10:15:49AM START OUT.
10:15:50AM I JUST WANT TO I GUESS START BY SAYING THAT WE THANK YOU FOR
10:15:57AM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE WITH OUR PARKS.
10:16:01AM I KNOW IT IS THE GOAL OF THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE
10:16:06AM GOAL OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE
10:16:08AM RECREATION AMENITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL OF OUR
10:16:12AM RESIDENTS.
10:16:12AM AND WE CONTINUE TO STRIVE TO DO THAT.
10:16:15AM WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS A TIME WHERE WITH NEW
10:16:22AM OPPORTUNITIES, LOOKING AT THE VISION THAT THE MAYOR WILL
10:16:24AM HAVE INTO THE FUTURE FOR US, AND TO LOOK WHERE THESE
10:16:27AM IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE PART OF THAT PROCESS.
10:16:29AM SO WE'RE VERY ENCOURAGED BY THAT AND EXCITED BY THE
10:16:33AM OPPORTUNITY.
10:16:33AM I'M GOING TO START OFF, IF I COULD, WITH THIS SHOWING AN
10:16:40AM OVERHEAD.
10:16:54AM I'M GOING TO REFER TO THIS GRAPHIC AS WE GO ALONG HERE.
10:16:59AM THESE GRAPHS.
10:17:02AM IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, AND I'LL
10:17:06AM TALK ABOUT EACH OF THESE FEATURES IT SAYS CURRENT ACCESSIBLE
10:17:09AM ROUTE TO PLAYGROUND.
10:17:10AM WE DID DO AN ANALYSIS OF REALLY THREE MAJOR DIFFERENT
10:17:14AM FACTORS.
10:17:14AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO PLAYGROUND,
10:17:20AM THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE PLAYGROUND ITSELF.
10:17:21AM IT MEANS SOMEONE THAT MIGHT BE PULLING UP IN A PARKING LOT
10:17:24AM AND GETTING FROM THERE TO THE PLAYGROUND.
10:17:26AM ARE THERE ANY ISSUES THEY HAVE AS FAR AS THAT ACCESSIBILITY
10:17:30AM OF GETTING TO THAT LOCATION?
10:17:32AM THERE COULD BE THINGS SUCH AS SIDEWALK CUTS THAT MIGHT NOT
10:17:36AM BE THERE OR MIGHT NOT BE APPROPRIATE.
10:17:38AM IT COULD BE THE PATH WIDTH THAT IS TO THE PLAYGROUND.
10:17:43AM IT COULD BE THE SLOPES ARE AT A GRADE THAT ISN'T ACCURATE.
10:17:48AM WE HAVE A GRADE OF 5% OR LESS FOR ANY PATH, AND IT MIGHT BE
10:17:53AM AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S OVER THAT GRADE.
10:17:55AM WHILE YOU HAVE THE SIDEWALK, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLOPE THAT'S
10:17:58AM APPROPRIATE FOR THAT.
10:17:59AM AND THE RIGHT MATERIAL UNDERNEATH?
10:18:03AM IS IT A FIRM SURFACE FOR THE PATH?
10:18:05AM ALL OF THOSE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS YOU HAVE WITH THE
10:18:08AM CURRENT ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO THE PLAYGROUND.
10:18:10AM BECAUSE THE FIRST ISSUE IS CAN THEY GET TO THE PLAYGROUND AT
10:18:14AM THE LOCATION?
10:18:15AM THE SECOND IS LOOKING AT THE CURRENT ACCESSIBLE PLAY
10:18:19AM FEATURES.
10:18:20AM LET ME BACK UP.
10:18:21AM SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE LINE THERE, THAT WE HAVE 29 OF 79.
10:18:26AM THERE ARE 79 PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE HERE WITH THE CITY.
10:18:29AM OF THOSE, 29 CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ACCESS IN ALL THOSE
10:18:33AM LOCATIONS.
10:18:34AM NOW, I WILL SAY THERE ARE 79 PARKS WITH PLAYGROUNDS.
10:18:38AM SOME PARKS HAVE MULTIPLE PLAYGROUNDS WITH THEM.
10:18:41AM BUT 79 PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SYSTEM THAT HAVE
10:18:43AM PLAYGROUNDS.
10:18:44AM SO WE HAVE 29 CURRENTLY THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA.
10:18:47AM THE SECOND POINT IS CURRENT ACCESSIBLE PLAY FEATURES.
10:18:51AM AND WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS ARE THERE PLAY FEATURES THAT ARE
10:18:55AM AT WHEELCHAIR LEVEL OR SOMEONE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES BEING
10:18:59AM ABLE TO HAVE SOME PLAY FEATURES AT THE LEVEL WITHIN THE
10:19:04AM PLAYGROUNDS.
10:19:05AM TACTILE PLAY FEATURES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE YOU'LL SEE
10:19:09AM LIKE THE TICKTACKTOE OR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU TURN.
10:19:12AM A LOT OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES TO WHERE IF YOU HAVE MOBILITY
10:19:15AM ISSUES, YOU WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE PLAY FEATURES AT A
10:19:19AM GROUND LEVEL, BEING NUMBER ONE.
10:19:22AM IT COULD ALSO BE TO WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A RAMP ON THE
10:19:26AM PLAYGROUND THAT GETS YOU TO A LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO
10:19:29AM THOSE FEATURES.
10:19:30AM OR IT COULD THAT THE PLAYGROUND IS TOTALLY ACCESSIBLE TO
10:19:33AM SOMEONE WITH ANY CHALLENGES.
10:19:35AM SO THAT'S THE SECOND GROUPING, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THAT, THAT
10:19:37AM OUT OF OUR 79, WE HAVE 47 THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY AT THE
10:19:43AM ACCESSIBLE LEVEL AND 32 THAT STILL HAVE SOME THAT DON'T HAVE
10:19:49AM THOSE FUTURES ALL AT GROUND LEVEL.
10:19:50AM THE THIRD AREA IS PLAYGROUND SURFACING.
10:19:54AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLAYGROUND SURFACING, SOMETIMES PEOPLE
10:19:58AM MIGHT SEE THE PLAYGROUND AND THEY THINK WE HAVE MULCH IN THE
10:20:01AM PLAYGROUND.
10:20:02AM ACTUALLY, IT'S CALLED AN ENGINEER WOOD FIBER.
10:20:04AM IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO PLAYGROUNDS.
10:20:06AM IF YOU WALK ON IT, YOU CAN TELL THERE IS A DIFFERENT
10:20:08AM ABSORPTION WITH THAT.
10:20:09AM IT'S SO IT CAN DEAL WITH ANY FALLS THAT HAPPEN.
10:20:13AM WE ONLY GET THAT FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT
10:20:17AM HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AND IT IS A CERTIFIED MATERIAL THAT WE
10:20:22AM USE -- THE WOOD CARPET OR ENGINEER WOOD FIBER WITH THAT.
10:20:26AM THE SECOND OPTION WITH THAT IS A POURED IN PLACE.
10:20:29AM YOU'VE SEEN AT SOME OF OUR LOCATIONS THE RUBBERIZED SURFACE
10:20:33AM THAT IS THERE.
10:20:33AM THE RUBBERIZED SURFACE IS MANY TIMES PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
10:20:37AM IT'S MUCH SMOOTHER.
10:20:38AM IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE.
10:20:39AM IT STAYS VERY NEAT, BUT THE COST OF THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY
10:20:43AM MORE.
10:20:43AM IT'S PROBABLY THE ENGINEERED WOOD FIBER IS PROBABLY 25% OF
10:20:49AM THE COST OF A POURED IN PLACE.
10:20:51AM SO ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
10:21:00AM WE ARE AT A POINT OF LOOKING AT THE GOAL AGAIN OF MEETING
10:21:04AM THESE NEEDS.
10:21:05AM THE GOAL OF MOVING THAT -- THE GOLD COLOR YOU SEE THERE ALL
10:21:09AM TO BLUE IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE, OBVIOUSLY, WITH THIS.
10:21:12AM AND TO THAT END, THERE ARE SOME THINGS GOING ON THAT ARE
10:21:16AM GOOD NEWS TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF.
10:21:18AM RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CIP, WE HAVE 25 -- I'M SORRY,
10:21:23AM $250,000 THAT IS FOR ADA ISSUES WITHIN PARKS THAT WE'RE
10:21:29AM WORKING THROUGH IN OUR C.I.P.
10:21:31AM THAT'S WHY I GAVE YOU THE SECOND GRAPH WITH EACH ONE.
10:21:34AM IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE FIRST ONE WHERE IT SAYS CURRENT
10:21:37AM ACCESSIBLE ROUTES TO PLAYGROUNDS, THEN IT SAYS STATUS APRIL
10:21:40AM OF 2020.
10:21:42AM WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, WE ANTICIPATE THAT EIGHT MORE
10:21:45AM PLAYGROUNDS WILL BE ONLINE WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT.
10:21:49AM SO YOU SEE THAT THE NUMBER OF THE ACCESS GOES FROM 37 TO 42
10:21:56AM BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS MADE AT EACH OF
10:21:59AM THOSE LOCATIONS.
10:22:00AM YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IMPROVES TO WHERE WE'RE CLOSE TO 50%
10:22:04AM IN THAT AREA.
10:22:05AM IT DOESN'T BRING ANY NEW PLAY FEATURES, SO THAT DOESN'T
10:22:09AM CHANGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH AGAIN FROM THERE.
10:22:11AM STILL 47.
10:22:13AM WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT
10:22:16AM SURFACING, WE ONLY HAVE ONE, AND THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF AS
10:22:20AM PART OF THIS.
10:22:21AM SO YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE THAT GOAL, AS YOU CAN SEE, OF THE 79
10:22:26AM FOR ALL THE SURFACING THAT WOULD BE COMPLETED THROUGH ALL
10:22:29AM THE PARK SYSTEM.
10:22:30AM WE HAVE THE $250,000 THIS YEAR.
10:22:33AM THAT'S TO LOOK AT PLAY FEATURES, BUT IT'S ALSO TO LOOK AT
10:22:36AM OTHER ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES IN PARKS.
10:22:39AM YOU MIGHT HAVE A WATER FOUNTAIN THAT YOU NEED BETTER ACCESS
10:22:42AM TO, A WALKWAY WITHIN THE PARK TO A SHELTER.
10:22:46AM YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS ALONG THAT LINE.
10:22:48AM THIS YEAR, WE HAVE THE 250,000.
10:22:52AM WE DO HAVE DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED IN FY '20 AS
10:22:56AM WELL TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS.
10:22:59AM SO IT IS A WORK IN PROCESS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
10:23:03AM A GOAL TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THIS.
10:23:09AM I DO ALSO WANT TO MENTION, WE HAVE ONE PLAYGROUND THAT A LOT
10:23:12AM OF PEOPLE PROBABLY ARE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE FREEDOM
10:23:16AM PLAYGROUND AT MacFARLANE PARK, THAT IS A -- PROBABLY OUR
10:23:21AM TOP LINE OF ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE AT THIS
10:23:24AM POINT.
10:23:25AM IT IS HAVING AN EXPANSION DONE WITH IT THAT HAS BEEN
10:23:30AM APPROVED BEFORE.
10:23:30AM WE ARE IN DESIGN.
10:23:31AM WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO COMPLETING THE DESIGN.
10:23:33AM WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION LATER
10:23:38AM THIS YEAR, AND THAT'S ABOUT A $400,000 CONSTRUCTION PROJECT
10:23:42AM FOR THAT.
10:23:43AM SO THAT IS A DESTINATION PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'LL
10:23:49AM BE EXPANDING AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT IMPROVEMENT,
10:23:52AM THAT THAT'S COMING ALONG AS WELL.
10:23:54AM FINALLY, I DID WANT TO MENTION, I KNOW THAT A MASTER PLAN IS
10:23:59AM SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED RIGHT
10:24:01AM NOW.
10:24:02AM I WOULD SAY FROM A PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONAL
10:24:05AM PERSPECTIVE, THAT POTENTIAL OF THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS IS A
10:24:09AM GREAT HELP TO SOMETHING ALONG THIS LINE OF LOOKING WHERE THE
10:24:14AM NEEDS ARE AND ZEROING IN ON WHERE THOSE NEEDS ARE IN THE
10:24:17AM COMMUNITY TO BRING THINGS TO A LEVEL THAT WE'RE ALL PLEASED
10:24:22AM WITH IN THE PARKS.
10:24:23AM SO THAT IS, IN GENERAL, THE INFORMATION WE HAVE TO DATE.
10:24:27AM AGAIN, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT
10:24:30AM MOVING FORWARD AND CONTINUING TO IMPROVE.
10:24:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:24:33AM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, BUT GO AHEAD,
10:24:36AM SIR.
10:24:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:24:37AM AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN REGARDS TO BRINGING
10:24:40AM THIS TO THE FOREFRONT.
10:24:42AM I'M HUMBLED THAT THE MAYOR SAW A NEED TO TRY TO PUT THAT IN
10:24:45AM THE BUDGET.
10:24:46AM I GUESS WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAMS, I DON'T HAVE
10:24:48AM ENOUGH MEAT.
10:24:49AM I SEE A DIAGRAM HERE, BUT I GUESS I WAS LOOKING FOR IN THIS
10:24:55AM PRESENTATION TO IDENTIFY THE PARKS IN THE CITY AND IDENTIFY
10:25:00AM THOSE PARKS THAT HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS ALREADY IN THE CITY AND
10:25:04AM ALSO TO LOOK AT WHERE THE PARKS AND RECREATION FEELS THE
10:25:09AM NEED TO PUT THE SPECIAL NEEDS FACILITIES OR PLAYGROUND
10:25:13AM EQUIPMENT.
10:25:14AM SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, ESPECIALLY IN THE EAST.
10:25:18AM I KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN IS A BIG PROPONENT OF AUTISM AND
10:25:24AM DISABILITIES.
10:25:24AM WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE AND BROUGHT THE FOUNDATION TO TALK
10:25:26AM ABOUT THAT, EAST TAMPA HAS CHALLENGES, TOO.
10:25:29AM WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS.
10:25:31AM I GUESS I WAS LOOKING FOR, FOR ME, IS TO IDENTIFY -- WE HAVE
10:25:35AM FOUR DISTRICTS.
10:25:36AM WHERE ARE THE AUTISM PARKS OR WHAT DO WE HAVE FOR OUR KIDS
10:25:40AM WITH DISABILITIES?
10:25:41AM SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
10:25:43AM SO I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, BUT FOR ME, IT'S JUST NOT
10:25:47AM GIVING ME WHAT I REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WHERE WE NEED TO
10:25:50AM GO, SIR.
10:25:52AM >>PAUL DIAL: IF I COULD ADD, WE DID DO AN ANALYSIS OF ALL
10:25:55AM THE PLAYGROUNDS, SO WE HAVE THOSE.
10:25:58AM WE SIMPLY GAVE THE TOTAL OF WHERE WE WERE WITH THE CITY AND
10:26:01AM NOT BREAKING THOSE DOWN.
10:26:03AM WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION OF WHICH PARKS ARE IN NEED OF THOSE
10:26:07AM IMPROVEMENTS.
10:26:08AM SO THAT COULD BE PROVIDED.
10:26:12AM AS FAR AS THE PRIORITY, THIS WAS AN ANALYSIS OF WHERE WE
10:26:14AM ARE, A SNAPSHOT IN TIME.
10:26:17AM IT WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION OF WHERE TO GO FIRST.
10:26:21AM NOW, OUR STAFF, AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS
10:26:24AM WITH THE ADA DOLLARS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT ARE IN
10:26:27AM THE MOST PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT ARE IN THE MOST NEED AT
10:26:33AM THE TIME OF, PARTICULARLY IF THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES OR
10:26:35AM SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE AS WELL WITH THAT.
10:26:38AM I WOULD ALSO NOTE, IF I COULD, THE SECOND GROUPING THAT WE
10:26:42AM HAVE OF ACCESSIBLE PLAY FEATURES, IN THE EXISTING
10:26:45AM PLAYGROUNDS, THEY ARE NOT OUT OF COMPLIANCE AS THEY ARE NOW.
10:26:51AM IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR HOUSE AND
10:26:54AM THEN YOU MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE
10:26:58AM THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND ADD THOSE FEATURES IF A NEW
10:27:02AM PLAYGROUND WENT IN IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT.
10:27:04AM WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE VERY MUCH WANT TO HAVE THINGS
10:27:09AM AVAILABLE.
10:27:09AM I KNOW THE MAYOR WANTS THINGS TO BE AVAILABLE TO ALL OF OUR
10:27:12AM RESIDENTS, AND OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO PROVIDE IT SO IT'S
10:27:15AM AVAILABLE TO ALL OF OUR PARKS.
10:27:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:27:17AM I WANT TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN COUNCILMAN CITRO,
10:27:23AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:27:26AM DO WE HAVE A MONETARY COST ON HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST, A
10:27:28AM ROUGH ESTIMATE, A BALLPARK?
10:27:29AM I KNOW IT IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER?
10:27:32AM >>PAUL DIAL: YES, WE DID SOME REVIEW OF THAT.
10:27:34AM BASICALLY, FOR THE FIRST ISSUE -- THE FIRST ISSUE OF THE
10:27:40AM ACCESSIBLE ROUTE TO THE PLAYGROUND, IT IS A RANGE BECAUSE
10:27:45AM THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH EQUIPMENT.
10:27:48AM THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU CAN PURCHASE.
10:27:50AM BUT WE HAD A RANGE IN THE RANGE OF 250 TO $480,000 TO
10:27:57AM COMPLETE THAT ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PLAYGROUND WHERE THAT ONE
10:28:00AM WOULD BE ALL BLUE.
10:28:02AM AS FAR AS THE ACCESSIBLE PLAY FEATURES, WHICH, AGAIN, WE
10:28:06AM AREN'T OUT OF COMPLIANCE AT THIS TIME BUT WOULD LIKE TO DO
10:28:08AM THE PLAY FEATURES, THEN YOU REALLY GET INTO A RANGE.
10:28:12AM THERE'S A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA
10:28:14AM THAT MIGHT BE 15,000.
10:28:16AM THERE'S A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT COULD BE 50,000.
10:28:18AM SO IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU DECIDE TO PUT IN THOSE LOCATIONS,
10:28:22AM AND WE HAVE THAT WITH THE FEATURE OF BEING 480,000 TO 1.1
10:28:26AM MILLION DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO.
10:28:29AM THAT WOULD BE WITH THOSE FEATURES INCLUDED.
10:28:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: TOP GLOBAL RANGE 1.5, 1.6 MILLION?
10:28:37AM >>PAUL DIAL: WELL, THE OTHER SIDE, IF YOU ARE EXPANDING AND
10:28:40AM ADDING THE NEW PLAY FEATURES, NOW YOU HAVE SURFACING THAT'S
10:28:42AM REQUIRED UNDERNEATH OF THAT.
10:28:44AM AND IF YOU ADD THAT SURFACING, THAT IS ANOTHER, BETWEEN 160
10:28:48AM AND 550 THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE GETTING THE
10:28:51AM EQUIPMENT AND NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SURFACING TO GO BELOW
10:28:55AM BECAUSE YOU'RE EXPANDING THE PLAYGROUND.
10:28:58AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:28:59AM OF ALL THE PARKS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE POOLS, HOW MANY OF
10:29:04AM THOSE POOLS ARE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE?
10:29:07AM NOT ONLY TO GET TO THE POOL BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
10:29:10AM DISABLED, IN WHEELCHAIRS, CAN GET IN THE POOL?
10:29:13AM >>PAUL DIAL: I KNOW THAT MANY HAVE THE, I'LL SAY, THE
10:29:16AM TRANSFER STATION.
10:29:17AM I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.
10:29:20AM I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TODAY.
10:29:22AM I KNOW I'VE SEEN SEVERAL WITH TRANSFER STATIONS.
10:29:25AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.
10:29:27AM IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT POOLS THAT ARE
10:29:30AM BEING, LET'S JUST SAY, INVESTIGATED.
10:29:33AM GOSS AND LOPEZ POOL.
10:29:35AM CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF THOSE COME TO
10:29:40AM FRUITION THAT THEY HAVE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE?
10:29:42AM I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. DIAL HERE.
10:29:50AM THANK YOU FOR THAT.
10:29:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:29:54AM >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I COULD GET A
10:29:56AM 30-SECOND UPDATE FROM YOU ON VILA PARK.
10:29:59AM I THINK THERE WAS A GROUND BREAKING IN APRIL.
10:30:02AM HAS ANYTHING BEEN DONE SINCE THEN?
10:30:04AM >>PAUL DIAL: YES, IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
10:30:06AM WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO BE DONE SOMEWHERE -- WE'RE LOOKING AT
10:30:10AM SOMEWHERE NEXT MONTH WITH THIS PHASE BEING COMPLETED.
10:30:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE OUTDOOR BATHROOM.
10:30:16AM >>PAUL DIAL: THAT'S CORRECT.
10:30:17AM AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MEMORIAL THERE AS WELL AS SOME
10:30:20AM SIDEWALK THAT'S GOING IN THERE AS WELL.
10:30:22AM AND THERE ARE SOME DOLLARS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THAT
10:30:25AM PARK AS WELL FOR SHADE STRUCTURE, I BELIEVE.
10:30:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANISCALCO, DID YOU SAY OUTDOOR
10:30:30AM BATHROOMS?
10:30:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:30:32AM [ LAUGHTER ]
10:30:32AM STAND-ALONE RESTROOM.
10:30:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS CONCERNED.
10:30:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT LIKE A TREE.
10:30:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST TEASING YOU.
10:30:42AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:30:43AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, PAUL.
10:30:44AM IN REGARD TO THE PLAN, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION.
10:30:49AM IN REGARD TO THE MASTER PLAN, WHEN WE DID MacFARLANE PARK
10:30:57AM BACK IN THE EARLY 2000s, STEPHANIE BUSANSKY, SHE RAISED
10:31:02AM ABOUT $100,000 OF PRIVATE MONEY.
10:31:04AM SHE GOT STALLED AT A CERTAIN POINT AND BECAUSE IT WAS FOUR,
10:31:07AM FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR PROJECT JUST TO START IT, AND
10:31:11AM NOW WE'RE ADDING TO IT.
10:31:12AM I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.
10:31:13AM BUT THAT'S ONLY ONE DISTRICT.
10:31:16AM THAT'S MacFARLANE PARK, MR. MANISCALCO'S DISTRICT.
10:31:19AM WE HAVE THREE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT EFFECTIVELY DON'T HAVE A
10:31:24AM BIG, HEALTHY, ADA PARK.
10:31:27AM MY PERSONAL OPINION IS, THE NEED IS HUGE.
10:31:31AM EVERY PARK SHOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO STANDARD, NOT JUST TO
10:31:36AM STANDARD, BEYOND STANDARD, TO BE TOTALLY ADA ACCESSIBLE AS
10:31:42AM MS. REYES INDICATED, HAVE ALL THOSE TYPES OF FEATURES THAT
10:31:46AM ARE NEED OFFED.
10:31:47AM BUT I THINK IT'S UNREALISTIC AT THIS POINT TO SAY WE CAN DO
10:31:51AM ALL OF OUR HUNDRED PARKS IN THAT WAY.
10:31:53AM I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF OUR MASTER PLAN FOCUSED AND
10:31:57AM SAYS, AND I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, LET'S
10:32:00AM HAVE AT LEAST ONE -- I THINK YOU DID, MR. GUDES -- LET'S
10:32:03AM HAVE AT LEAST ONE REALLY GREAT PARK, LIKE MacFARLANE PARK,
10:32:07AM IN EACH OF OUR FOUR DISTRICTS.
10:32:09AM AT LEAST THAT WAY THOSE FAMILIES WHO NEED THAT, WHO HAVE A
10:32:12AM CHILD IN A WHEELCHAIR OR OTHERWISE, OTHER TYPES OF SPECIAL
10:32:17AM NEEDS, THEY KNOW.
10:32:20AM THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET IN THEIR CAR OR WHATEVER AND DRIVE
10:32:23AM OVER TO THE PARK AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE -- MAYBE IT WOULD
10:32:26AM BE WITHIN FIVE MILES OR SO.
10:32:27AM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
10:32:29AM MacFARLANE.
10:32:30AM RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE SHORT THREE PARKS FOR THREE
10:32:36AM DISTRICTS.
10:32:37AM I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT WHEN OUR MASTER PLAN COMES BACK.
10:32:40AM THANK YOU, SIR.
10:32:43AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: TOUCHING ON POOLS, I'M HEARING, IS CUSCADEN
10:32:47AM UP AND RUNNING?
10:32:49AM I'M HEARING THAT THE POOL HAS TRACKS IN IT, TRUE OR FALSE?
10:32:53AM >>PAUL DIAL: CUSCADEN IS OPERATIONAL, YES.
10:32:57AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS AT A COMMUNITY MEETING AND I'M ALWAYS
10:33:00AM HEARING THAT THE POOL IS CLOSED AT DESOTO PARK.
10:33:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC FOR WHAT HE WAS
10:33:06AM HERE FOR.
10:33:07AM WE CAN DEAL WITH THE ISSUES LATER --
10:33:09AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I REQUESTED IT A WHILE AGO.
10:33:12AM I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A REPORT BACK.
10:33:14AM THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
10:33:15AM >>LUIS VIERA: FROM NOW ON, LET'S TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC FOR
10:33:18AM WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
10:33:19AM >>PAUL DIAL: WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
10:33:21AM IT IS OPEN.
10:33:21AM IT IS NOW ON THE FALL HOURS.
10:33:23AM SO IT IS MORE LIMITED THAN IT IS DURING THE SUMMER, AND THAT
10:33:27AM MIGHT BE WHAT YOU HEARD, WHERE PEOPLE USED TO CERTAIN HOURS
10:33:30AM AND IT'S CUT BACK FROM THERE.
10:33:32AM I'LL BE GLAD TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU OF THE HOURS
10:33:35AM IN THE FALL AND THE DIFFERENT SEASONS.
10:33:36AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE LAST THING, IN REGARDS TO I ALWAYS HEAR
10:33:39AM THAT WE'RE DOING A STUDY, AND I HEAR THESE NUMBERS ABOUT THE
10:33:43AM STUDIES.
10:33:44AM WHO'S GIVING THESE ANALYSES OF THE COSTS FOR THESE STUDIES?
10:33:48AM IS THAT IN-HOUSE OR IS THAT OUTSOURCED OUT?
10:33:50AM HOW ARE WE GETTING THESE NUMBERS?
10:33:53AM >>PAUL DIAL: WE HAVE CAPITAL STAFF, PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT
10:33:55AM DEAL WITH ENGINEERING FIRMS AND PUTTING SCOPES OUT ON THESE
10:33:59AM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
10:34:01AM AND WE RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE WITH THAT.
10:34:04AM AND IT IS COORDINATED WITH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY
10:34:07AM THAT DEAL WITH CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.
10:34:08AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE SOLELY DON'T HAVE OUR PEOPLE DOING THIS.
10:34:11AM WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE THESE STUDIES.
10:34:14AM >>PAUL DIAL: WITHOUT QUESTION, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT
10:34:17AM WOULD NEED TO BE DONE BY A CONSULTANT FOR THIS.
10:34:21AM THIS IS A MASSIVE MASTER PLAN UNDERTAKING, AND WE WOULD NEED
10:34:24AM THE EXPERTISE, IN MY OPINION, THE CONSULTING FIRM TO DO
10:34:27AM THAT.
10:34:28AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:34:29AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:34:29AM I WANT TO REALLY THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
10:34:32AM YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MEANS A LOT TO PEOPLE.
10:34:35AM YOU TAKE MRS. REYES WHO JUST CAME FORWARD, HER SON,
10:34:38AM CHRISTIAN, IS PROBABLY, WHAT, 12?
10:34:41AM 12 YEARS OLD.
10:34:43AM HE'S PASSED PARKS FOR THE MOST PART VERY LIKELY.
10:34:48AM SHE DIDN'T COME UP HERE BECAUSE SHE WANTS A PARK FOR HER
10:34:52AM SON.
10:34:52AM SHE COMES UP HERE BECAUSE SHE REMEMBERS WHEN HER SON WAS
10:34:56AM TWO, THREE YEARS OLD AND WHAT THAT MEANT TO HER.
10:34:59AM MY OLDER BROTHER IS MENTALLY DISABLED AND THIS IS SOMETHING
10:35:03AM THAT MOVES MY MOTHER.
10:35:05AM JUAN, MY OLDEST BROTHER, IS 48 YEARS OLD.
10:35:07AM HE'S NOT GOING TO BE AT A PARK.
10:35:09AM MAYBE HE COULD, HE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AT A PARK.
10:35:12AM THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MOVES PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY THINK ABOUT
10:35:14AM THAT PARENT WHO TODAY IS GOING TO GET THE DIAGNOSIS FROM
10:35:19AM THEIR DAUGHTER SAYING YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER IS AUTISTIC OR
10:35:25AM CEREBRAL PALSY, DOWN SYNDROME, INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY,
10:35:28AM WHATEVER IT IS AND WE HAVE TO STAND WITH THEM.
10:35:30AM WE HAVE TO STAND WITH THEM 110%.
10:35:32AM WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS PUT FORWARD HERE TODAY, THIS IS
10:35:35AM SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY DOABLE IF WE'RE REALLY, REALLY
10:35:38AM GOING TO GET BEHIND IT AND TAKE SERIOUSLY THE EXPERIENCES
10:35:40AM AND THIS WOMAN, MRS. REYES, WHO IS A FRIEND, WHO PUT HER
10:35:45AM HEART ON THE LINE OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE
10:35:48AM WITH HER SON, YOU DON'T GET MORE PERSONAL THAN THAT, AND I
10:35:52AM RESPECT THAT 110%.
10:35:53AM THAT'S WHY I'M PROUD TO FIGHT FOR THIS.
10:35:56AM I DO AGREE THAT ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS SHOULD HAVE LARGE PARKS
10:36:00AM THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE, SPECIFICALLY TO PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL
10:36:03AM NEEDS.
10:36:03AM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE GOT FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN FOR THE
10:36:06AM SO-CALLED AUTISM PARK AND THE NEW TAMPA AREA.
10:36:10AM WE'LL SEE THAT THROUGH AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S
10:36:13AM IMPORTANT.
10:36:13AM I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS ON HOW MANY KIDS HAVE SPECIAL
10:36:16AM NEEDS, INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND
10:36:19AM A LOT OF US, IT DOESN'T POP IN OUR MIND BECAUSE IT DOESN'T
10:36:23AM IMMEDIATELY AFFECT US.
10:36:24AM WE MAYBE DON'T HAVE A SIBLING OR A SON OR DAUGHTER OR A
10:36:29AM GRANDCHILD WHO IS AUTISTIC OR WHO HAS DOWN SYNDROME,
10:36:33AM CEREBRAL PALSY, ET CETERA.
10:36:34AM BUT IT SHOULD MATTER TO US BECAUSE IT MATTERS TO THOSE
10:36:38AM PARENTS.
10:36:38AM THAT'S WHAT SOLIDARITY, THAT IS WHAT EMPATHY, AND THAT IS
10:36:42AM WHAT COMPASSION IS ALL ABOUT.
10:36:43AM I BELIEVE THAT A BUDGET IS A MORAL DOCUMENT.
10:36:46AM AND WHENEVER IT COMES TO OUR CITY BUDGET, I WANT TO SEE IN
10:36:51AM THE NEXT FEW YEARS US TACKLE THIS.
10:36:53AM THIS ISN'T A BIG THING TO TACKLE, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED,
10:36:56AM WHENEVER IT COMES TO A MONETARY AMOUNT WHEN YOU COMPARE IT
10:36:59AM TO THE BENEFIT THAT OUR FAMILIES WILL GET FROM THIS.
10:37:02AM I WANTED TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING THIS REPORT TOGETHER.
10:37:05AM WE LOOK FORWARD, I KNOW ALL SEVEN OF US DO, LOOK FORWARD TO
10:37:08AM SEEING YOU CARRY THIS OUT AND ENCOURAGING YOU ALL ALONG THE
10:37:11AM WAY.
10:37:12AM THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
10:37:14AM >>PAUL DIAL: CAN I JUST SAY, HAVING RAQUEL AND THE
10:37:17AM COORDINATION THAT WE HAVE THERE, SHE DEFINITELY KEEPS AN EYE
10:37:19AM ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HAS THAT IN MIND.
10:37:22AM IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH A BACKGROUND THAT'S LOOKING
10:37:24AM AT IT AS WELL.
10:37:25AM SO WE APPRECIATE THAT COORDINATION AS WELL.
10:37:27AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:37:28AM AND WE APPRECIATE RAQUEL.
10:37:29AM WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER ON A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, INCLUDING
10:37:32AM OUR AUTISM-FRIENDLY CITY INITIATIVE, AND YOU REALLY WEAR
10:37:37AM YOUR HEART ON YOUR SLEEVE.
10:37:38AM SO THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:37:40AM THANK YOU, GUYS.
10:37:41AM THANK YOU.
10:37:41AM NEXT -- OKAY.
10:37:46AM THAT'S FINE.
10:37:47AM NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO -- IS ANYTHING BEING PULLED
10:37:51AM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA?
10:37:55AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:37:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:37:56AM I'M SORRY.
10:37:57AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 15, 44, AND 45 IS WHAT I HEARD.
10:38:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:38:04AM LET'S DO THE CONSENT AGENDA, IF I MAY.
10:38:07AM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:38:11AM PUBLIC SAFETY.
10:38:13AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:38:14AM I MOVE ITEMS 3 THROUGH 35 WITH SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION ON
10:38:21AM NUMBER 3.
10:38:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:38:25AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:38:27AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:38:27AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:38:28AM OKAY.
10:38:29AM NEXT, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:38:31AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEMS 6 THROUGH 13.
10:38:34AM MOVE TO APPROVE.
10:38:36AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:38:38AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:38:39AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:38:40AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:38:42AM OKAY.
10:38:44AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ITEMS 14, 16 THROUGH 23.
10:38:49AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:38:50AM I'LL MOVE ITEMS 14, EXCLUDING 15, ITEMS 16 THROUGH 23.
10:38:59AM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
10:39:00AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:39:03AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A QUICK COMMENT.
10:39:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
10:39:05AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO ITEM 18, I'M NOT GOING TO
10:39:10AM PULL IT, BUT I HAD A COMMENT.
10:39:14AM I WAS IN CONVERSATION WITH MR. SPEARMAN AND MR. HART IN
10:39:17AM REGARD TO MBE ON THIS TYPE OF ITEM.
10:39:19AM THIS IS CITYWIDE JANITORIAL SERVICES.
10:39:22AM IT'S A BIG CONTRACT TO A BIG COMPANY FOR A MILLION TWO.
10:39:29AM WHAT I ASKED GREG WAS -- AND IT ONLY HAS ABOUT A 15%
10:39:36AM MINORITY PARTICIPATION.
10:39:36AM I SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS AS A SHELTERED BID?
10:39:42AM AND BASICALLY -- FOR NEXT YEAR.
10:39:46AM AND BASICALLY HIS ANSWER WAS WE COULD.
10:39:50AM WE'D NEED TO UNBUNDLE IT INTO SMALLER PIECES SO IT'S NOT 1.2
10:39:57AM MILLION.
10:39:57AM IT MIGHT BE FOUR DIFFERENT BIDS OF 300,000 EACH, AND THEN
10:40:05AM THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO IT SHELTERED.
10:40:07AM I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THIS ONE UP.
10:40:09AM OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED JANITORIAL SERVICES IMMEDIATELY TO
10:40:13AM CONTINUE.
10:40:13AM BUT I'M GOING TO PURSUE THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN UNBUNDLE IT
10:40:18AM FOR MORE MINORITY PARTICIPATION.
10:40:20AM WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE THE ITEMS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY.
10:40:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:40:24AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:40:26AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:40:27AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:40:28AM NEXT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ITEMS 24 THROUGH 29.
10:40:31AM LET'S FIRST, IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN, DO YOU MIND MOVING ITEM
10:40:35AM 25 SO I CAN EXEMPT MYSELF FROM THAT?
10:40:37AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NOT AT ALL.
10:40:39AM MOVE ITEM 25.
10:40:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION -- I'LL PASS THE GAVEL.
10:40:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
10:40:46AM WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:40:48AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:40:54AM >>THE CLERK: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:40:56AM [INAUDIBLE]
10:40:59AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 26, 27, 28 WERE THE THREE INDIVIDUALS
10:41:02AM THAT APPEARED BEFORE US LAST COUNCIL.
10:41:04AM THESE ARE VERIFYING THEIR APPOINTMENTS -- THE POSITIONS THAT
10:41:10AM THEY APPLIED FOR.
10:41:11AM LET ME MOVE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 29 AND 25 WAS TAKEN CARE OF.
10:41:17AM 26, 27, 28 ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT APPEARED BEFORE US AND
10:41:21AM RATIFYING THEIR APPOINTMENTS TO THE DIFFERENT BOARDS.
10:41:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:41:25AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:41:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA, FOR BRINGING THAT
10:41:32AM FORTH.
10:41:32AM FOR THE RECORD, THOSE RESOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN FILED WITH THE
10:41:34AM CLERK.
10:41:35AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:41:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:41:37AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:41:38AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:41:39AM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE ITEMS 30 THROUGH 40.
10:41:43AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, A
10:41:45AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:41:47AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:41:47AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:41:48AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, EXCLUDING 44 AND 45.
10:41:52AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEMS 41, 42, 43 AND 46.
10:41:58AM THESE ARE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTIONS ON NUMBER 41.
10:42:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:42:04AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:42:06AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:42:07AM ANY OPPOSED.
10:42:07AM NOW WE MOVE ONWARD TO ITEMS BEING PULLED.
10:42:10AM THAT WAS 16, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:42:15AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE MOVED 47 TO 49 -- HEARING FOR CONSENT.
10:42:23AM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE] [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:42:29AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OCTOBER 24th IS WRONG.
10:42:33AM IT'S THE 17TH ON ITEM 49.
10:42:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR 47, 48, 49?
10:42:38AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:42:39AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:42:40AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:42:41AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:42:42AM IS ANYONE HERE FOR ITEM 15?
10:42:56AM >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:42:57AM ITEM 15 IS REGARDING A $75,000 GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM
10:43:08AM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
10:43:11AM IF I COULD GIVE A QUICK BACKDROP TO THIS GRANT WE RECEIVED.
10:43:15AM WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT.
10:43:17AM IN JULY OF 2015, THE STATE OF FLORIDA ENACTED THE FLORIDA
10:43:22AM PERIL OF FLOOD ACT.
10:43:25AM AND THAT LEGISLATION PLACED SOME NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL
10:43:28AM GOVERNMENTS TO ADDRESS FLOODING RELATED TO SEA LEVEL RISE.
10:43:32AM SO IN REACTION TO THAT, THERE WAS A TAMPA BAY CLIMATE
10:43:36AM SCIENCE ADVISORY PANEL THAT WAS FORMED, WHICH CITY OF TAMPA
10:43:39AM WAS A PART OF.
10:43:43AM IN WORKING WITH THAT GROUP, WHICH INCLUDED THE HILLSBOROUGH
10:43:45AM COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION, THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING
10:43:47AM COUNCIL, THEY DEVELOPED A SEA LEVEL RISE PROJECTION FOR OUR
10:43:52AM TAMPA BAY REGION.
10:43:52AM THE CITY OF TAMPA THEN TOOK THE NEXT STEP OF TAKING THAT
10:43:58AM INFORMATION AND APPLIED A WORST-CASE SCENARIO TO OUR CITY
10:44:02AM INFRASTRUCTURE, PARCELS, AND FACILITIES.
10:44:06AM AND PRODUCED A MEMORANDUM CALLED "THE ANALYSIS OF SEA LEVEL
10:44:12AM IMPACTS ON THE CITY OF TAMPA FACILITIES," WHICH WAS DONE IN
10:44:16AM JUNE OF 2017.
10:44:17AM SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT ANALYSIS BASICALLY SHOWED THAT IN
10:44:22AM TERMS OF OUR STRUCTURES, OUR PARCELS, OUR FACILITIES,
10:44:27AM BETWEEN NOW AND THE YEAR 2040, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD AMOUNT OF
10:44:33AM TIME TO ADDRESS CHANGES TO MAKE IN TERMS OF BUILDING CODES
10:44:39AM AND DEVELOPMENT.
10:44:39AM THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORST-CASE
10:44:43AM SCENARIO.
10:44:43AM HOWEVER, ON THE STORMWATER SIDE, WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT
10:44:47AM WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PURSUE.
10:44:49AM IF I COULD JUST SHOW A PHOTOGRAPH JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU
10:44:52AM AN EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LOT OF STORMWATER FACILITIES THAT
10:44:57AM CURRENTLY ARE -- HAVE WHAT WE CALL A TAIL-WATER CONDITION,
10:45:03AM WHICH IS BASICALLY THE PIPE THAT GOES OUT TO THE BAY IS
10:45:06AM PARTIALLY UNDERWATER.
10:45:08AM SO IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME A MOMENT, I'LL FIND THAT
10:45:12AM PHOTOGRAPH.
10:45:13AM IT WILL GIVE YOU A GOOD VISUAL OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE
10:45:17AM TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS GRANT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.
10:45:20AM YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, WE HAVE THESE PIPES THAT WE
10:45:37AM CALL OUTFALLS THAT GO INTO ONE OF OUR BAYS.
10:45:42AM IN A LOT OF CASES, CURRENTLY, THOSE PIPES GO UNDERWATER WHEN
10:45:47AM WE HAVE A HIGH TIDE CONDITION.
10:45:49AM AGAIN, WITH, OF COURSE, SEA LEVEL RISE, THAT CONDITION WILL
10:45:53AM CONTINUE TO WORSEN.
10:45:53AM SO WITH THIS GRANT, WE'RE PLANNING TO TAKE A SAMPLING OF
10:45:59AM SOME OF THESE OUTFALLS, DO A VULNERABILITY ANALYSIS AND
10:46:02AM CREATE A FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT IS OUR STRATEGY TO START
10:46:06AM ENHANCING, MITIGATING THE SEA LEVEL RISE IMPACT ON OUR
10:46:11AM OUTFALLS?
10:46:13AM SO THIS GRANT IS ONE SMALL STEP TOWARDS THAT BIGGER EFFORT
10:46:17AM THAT WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE.
10:46:19AM AND THIS INFORMATION WILL BE ROLLED INTO THE MAYOR'S
10:46:21AM ADVISORY TEAM FOR RESILIENCY AS WE DEVELOP CITYWIDE POLICIES
10:46:27AM FOR ADDRESSING SEA LEVEL RISE, RESILIENCY, AND
10:46:29AM SUSTAINABILITY FOR OUR CITY.
10:46:32AM SO WE'RE EXCITED TO GET STARTED ON THOSE, BUT WE FEEL LIKE
10:46:35AM WE'VE KEPT UP WITH THE ISSUE.
10:46:37AM WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO TAKE A NEXT
10:46:40AM STEP FORWARD TO ADDRESS THOSE FUTURE CONCERNS.
10:46:43AM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
10:46:49AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. DUNCAN, SO JUST TO START WITH, YOU
10:46:53AM MENTIONED THE STUDY, THE BAY AREA STUDY CAME UP WITH A SEA
10:46:59AM LEVEL RISE PROJECTION.
10:47:02AM CAN YOU EQUATE THAT TO NUMBERS?
10:47:04AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, CAN'T GO INTO THE SCIENCE AND
10:47:08AM ENGINEERING BEHIND IT, BUT THE NUMBER THEY CAME UP WITH WAS
10:47:11AM 1.59 FEET.
10:47:13AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME?
10:47:15AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT IS THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO BETWEEN NOW
10:47:18AM AND 2040 THAT WE WILL GET TO.
10:47:22AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALMOST TWO FEET.
10:47:23AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WELL, LITTLE OVER ONE AND A HALF FEET.
10:47:26AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHATEVER OUR AVERAGE HIGH TIDE IS NOW,
10:47:34AM ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE AROUND OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS CAN
10:47:37AM EXPECT THAT THAT AVERAGE HIGH TIDE IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST A
10:47:41AM FOOT AND A HALF HIGHER.
10:47:42AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ON TOP OF WHAT WE
10:47:44AM HAVE NOW.
10:47:45AM AGAIN, THAT'S A PROJECTION.
10:47:47AM THE STUDY RECOMMENDED MONITORING THAT AND DOING SOME
10:47:51AM ELEVATION TESTING EVERY FIVE YEARS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A
10:47:56AM GUARANTEED NUMBER, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE
10:47:59AM COGNIZANT OF AND CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR EYE ON.
10:48:02AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW THEY ARE EXPERIENCING THIS ALREADY
10:48:04AM DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA AND SEEM TO GET FLOODED STREETS ON A
10:48:10AM REGULAR BASIS ON MIAMI BEACH.
10:48:14AM HOW ABOUT STORM SURGE?
10:48:15AM THIS IS NOT DEALING WITH STORM SURGE, CORRECT?
10:48:18AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: CORRECT.
10:48:18AM THIS IS JUST BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CONDITIONS AND ANTICIPATED
10:48:22AM RISE IN THE SEA LEVEL DUE TO ALL THOSE DYNAMICS OUT THERE
10:48:25AM THAT ARE CREATING A WARMER EARTH THAT WE HAVE NOW.
10:48:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
10:48:29AM LAST QUESTION, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS.
10:48:34AM IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK, THAT THE COMMUNITY STARTS
10:48:38AM SEEING THIS, THINKING ABOUT IT, TALKING ABOUT IT, AND NOT
10:48:41AM ONLY ADDRESSING IT AT A CITY LEVEL, BUT ALSO AT A HOME
10:48:44AM LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN FOLKS DO AT THEIR OWN HOMES IN
10:48:51AM TERMS OF THEIR OWN RESILIENCY, BECAUSE IT CAN'T JUST ALL
10:48:54AM FALL ON GOVERNMENT.
10:48:55AM ANYWAY, MY LAST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH MR. AWAD, I RECALL
10:49:01AM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OR PUTTING FLAPS TO SORT OF
10:49:03AM PREVENT BACKFLOW ON SOME OF THE OUTFALLS TO THE BAY.
10:49:09AM HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?
10:49:11AM DID WE INSTALL SOME AND -- JUST TO PREVENT SOME OF THE
10:49:17AM HIGH-TIDE FLAGGED.
10:49:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:49:20AM ALEX AWAD, CITY OF TAMPA STORMWATER DIVISION.
10:49:22AM WE DID PUT A BUNCH OF FLAP GATES, SLEEVE VALVES ON AREAS
10:49:29AM THAT ARE LOWER RIGHT NOW, BUT THE POTENTIAL DANGER OF
10:49:34AM PUTTING THE FLAP GATES ON THE OUTFALLS THAT JEAN JUST SHOWED
10:49:39AM YOU IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HYDRAULIC GRADE LINE OF MAYBE A
10:49:43AM FOOT PLUS TO PUSH THAT GATE OPEN.
10:49:46AM SO YOU MAY NOT GET EFFECT OF SEA LEVEL OR SEAWATER COMING
10:49:53AM INTO YOUR PROPERTY BUT IMPACT OF RAINWATER FLOODING YOUR
10:49:55AM PROPERTY.
10:49:56AM WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL HOW WE DO THIS.
10:49:58AM SOME AREAS WE'VE DONE THE FLAP GATE AND THEN A PUMP STATION
10:50:03AM TO PUMP THE WATER OUT WHEN IT'S IN A BOWL EFFECT.
10:50:06AM BUT NOT WHEN THE LAND IS FLAT.
10:50:09AM WE'RE LOOKING AT IT ALSO.
10:50:12AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITH ALL THIS ADDITIONAL STORMWATER FEE
10:50:14AM MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND, WE'RE PROBABLY DOING A MUCH
10:50:18AM BETTER JOB THAN WE WERE TEN YEARS AGO.
10:50:22AM >> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
10:50:23AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
10:50:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:50:25AM ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM?
10:50:27AM DO YOU WISH TO MOVE IT, SIR?
10:50:29AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
10:50:30AM I MOVE ITEM 15.
10:50:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:50:33AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:50:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
10:50:38AM ANY OPPOSED?
10:50:38AM WE HAVE 44, 45, AND WE ALSO HAVE STAFF HERE AS WELL FOR, IF
10:50:42AM COUNCIL IS SO AMENABLE, 62 AND 66.
10:50:49AM 44.
10:50:53AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR, I BELIEVE 44 AND 45 MIGHT BE THE
10:50:56AM NEXT ONE YOU WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS, WHICH IS THE
10:50:58AM TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
10:50:59AM SO BRIEFLY, WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HART AND THE
10:51:07AM COUNTY.
10:51:07AM IN FACT, WE HAVE A HART REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY TO DEVELOP
10:51:12AM OUR PLAN THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO THE INDEPENDENT
10:51:15AM OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS A COMMITTEE THAT WAS
10:51:18AM IDENTIFIED IN THE RECENT HE SALES TAX REFERENDUM THAT WILL
10:51:21AM BE BASICALLY CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT AS THE MONEY WAS
10:51:26AM IDENTIFIED TO BE SPENT IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THAT OUR
10:51:28AM PROJECTS ARE REFLECTING THOSE CATEGORIES.
10:51:31AM SO WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THIS GROUP, AND IT WAS
10:51:34AM RECENTLY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THROUGH THE LEGAL COUNCILS
10:51:38AM OF ALL THREE AGENCIES THAT WE NEEDED TO SUBMIT THIS PLAN BY
10:51:41AM SEPTEMBER 30th BECAUSE THE STRATEGY IN TERMS OF THE
10:51:47AM LITIGATION THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE SALES TAX IS THAT WE'RE
10:51:51AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO CONDUCT OURSELVES BUSINESS AS USUAL,
10:51:54AM WHICH MEANS WE'LL MEET ANY REQUIREMENTS IN THE REFERENDUM
10:51:57AM AND AS SOON AS THE MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE WITH THE HOPEFUL,
10:52:01AM POSITIVE RESOLUTION OF THE LITIGATION, WE WILL SPEND THAT
10:52:05AM MONEY AS A REFERENDUM REQUESTED, WHICH WE WILL DO THROUGH AN
10:52:09AM INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND ALSO THROUGH AN
10:52:13AM ORDINANCE THE COUNTY IS DISCUSSING TODAY OR AT THEIR BOARD.
10:52:17AM BRIEFLY, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE TIME THAT YOU ALL TOOK OUT
10:52:22AM OF YOUR SCHEDULES TO CHAT WITH MYSELF AND OUR LEGAL FOLKS
10:52:26AM ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN ITSELF.
10:52:28AM THIS PLAN IS A REFLECTION OF A LOT OF BACKLOGGED PROJECTS
10:52:33AM THAT WE'VE HAD IN OUR QUEUE.
10:52:35AM WE'RE HAPPY TO NOW MAYBE HAVE A CHANCE TO GET SOME OF THOSE
10:52:38AM DONE.
10:52:38AM WE USE THE SAME PROTOCOL THAT WE USE FOR OUR C.I.P. FOR OUR
10:52:43AM BUDGET, WHICH IS WE LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, WHAT
10:52:46AM ARE THE CRITICAL NEEDS OF THE SYSTEM, HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE
10:52:49AM WE'RE SPREADING THE MONEY AROUND TO ALL THE DISTRICTS SO WE
10:52:51AM HAVE A FAIRNESS FACTOR?
10:52:53AM AND THEN WHAT ARE THOSE SPECIAL INTERESTS OR PROJECTS WE
10:52:58AM WANT TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE AS WELL?
10:53:00AM ANOTHER THING, WE ARE NOT SUPPLANTING THE SALES TAX MONEY
10:53:04AM WITH THIS PLAN.
10:53:05AM IF THE UNFORTUNATE OUTCOME IS WE DON'T GET THE SALES TAX
10:53:09AM RESULT POSITIVELY, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH OUR BUDGET THAT
10:53:12AM WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU AGAIN ON I THINK SEPTEMBER 17th.
10:53:17AM THAT IS A GAS TAX IMPACT FEE FUNDED PLAN.
10:53:22AM IF THINGS GO WELL IN OUR FAVOR, THE PROJECTS ON THIS
10:53:26AM TRANSPORTATION PLAN WILL BE WHAT I CALL GRAVY OR EXTRA
10:53:30AM PROJECTS WE'LL DO ON TOP OF OUR ALREADY PLANNED BUDGET THAT
10:53:33AM WE HAVE.
10:53:34AM SO ONE OTHER QUICK MENTION IS WE HAVE A FINANCIAL RESOLUTION
10:53:39AM THAT THE BUDGET FOLKS HAVE PLACED ON THE AGENDA AS WELL THAT
10:53:43AM ACCOMPANIES THE PLAN.
10:53:44AM THAT AMOUNT IS FOR $49 MILLION.
10:53:48AM THAT'S THE PROJECTED AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE
10:53:53AM AVAILABLE IN JANUARY, IF THINGS GO WELL.
10:53:56AM AGAIN, THE COUNTY, HART, AND THE CITY ALL WORK TOGETHER TO
10:53:59AM MAKE SURE WE HAD THE SAME METHODOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING TO
10:54:03AM ESTABLISH THOSE PROJECTIONS.
10:54:05AM SO TAMPA'S PROJECTION IS 49 MILLION.
10:54:07AM OUR LIST TOTALS THAT AMOUNT, AND ONE LAST COMMENT IS THAT
10:54:12AM OUR LIST HAS A SET OF LINE ITEM PROJECTS AND IT HAS A SET OF
10:54:18AM PROGRAMS.
10:54:18AM THE PROGRAMS ARE THE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT WE DO IN TERMS OF
10:54:24AM COMPLETE STREET, SAFETY PROJECTS, SIGNAL UPGRADES,
10:54:30AM PEDESTRIAN BEACONS, SPOT PROJECTS THAT WE DO ALL OVER THE
10:54:33AM CITY.
10:54:34AM WE HAVE LONG LISTS FOR ALL OF THOSE.
10:54:36AM THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO ADD IN LOCATIONS AS THE YEAR
10:54:38AM GOES ON, SO WE DO HAVE SOME FLEX IN OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD.
10:54:43AM WE LOOK FORWARD NEXT YEAR TO HAVING A LOT MORE PUBLIC
10:54:46AM ENGAGEMENT, ROBUST COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PLAN
10:54:50AM ITSELF.
10:54:51AM THIS YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS A BIT OF A RUSH JOB BECAUSE
10:54:54AM OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE'RE UNDER, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR
10:54:56AM SUPPORT AND YOUR HELP WITH US GETTING YOUR PLAN SUBMITTED
10:55:00AM AND HOPEFULLY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THIS MONEY
10:55:03AM THAT WE BADLY NEED FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
10:55:06AM WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND OUR LEGAL
10:55:09AM FOLKS ARE HERE, TOO, TO EXPLAIN MORE ON THE LITIGATION SIDE
10:55:12AM OF THINGS.
10:55:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THIS IS, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS
10:55:16AM THE REFERENDUM THAT AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF HILLSBOROUGH
10:55:19AM COUNTY VOTERS VOTED FOR IN NOVEMBER.
10:55:22AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR.
10:55:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I JUST WANTED TO HEAR IT.
10:55:24AM WHO HAS QUESTIONS?
10:55:25AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:55:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AGAIN, THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
10:55:31AM I MEAN, TO BE HONEST -- AND I TOLD YOU THIS IN PRIVATE.
10:55:37AM I'LL SAY IT IN PUBLIC.
10:55:38AM I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED.
10:55:42AM THIS IS HUGE.
10:55:42AM IT'S 49 -- 48, 49 MILLION DOLLARS.
10:55:45AM OF NEW TAXPAYER MONEY.
10:55:48AM WHAT WAS A HALF CENT, ONE CENT?
10:55:50AM ONE FULL CENT OUT OF EVERYBODY'S DOLLAR THAT THEY PAY FOR
10:55:56AM GROCERIES -- NOT GROCERIES, BUT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.
10:55:58AM SALES TAX.
10:56:02AM SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NOT ONLY SPEND IT WISELY, WHICH I
10:56:09AM BELIEVE WE ARE, BUT THAT WE INCLUDE THE PUBLIC AND INCLUDE
10:56:12AM COUNCIL.
10:56:12AM BECAUSE OF THE LITIGATION, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT
10:56:16AM CRAZY, A LITTLE BIT RUSHED, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:56:18AM LOOKING FORWARD NEXT YEAR, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE IN FULL GEAR
10:56:26AM AND NOT ONLY SPENDING NEXT YEAR'S MONEY BUT ALSO ACTUALLY WE
10:56:30AM HAVE TO SPEND THIS PAST YEAR'S MONEY.
10:56:32AM SO THE NEXT TIME, THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU
10:56:37AM TO USE THIS BODY, TO USE US AS A WAY TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC,
10:56:48AM SO THAT IF YOU HAVE A DRAFT LIST, WE SCHEDULE A COUPLE-HOUR
10:56:52AM WORKSHOP TO GO OVER THAT DRAFT LIST IN DETAIL TO SAY, OKAY,
10:56:57AM HERE'S CYPRESS AVENUE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING
10:56:59AM HERE.
10:57:00AM AND HERE'S SUCH AND SUCH AND HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO
10:57:02AM HERE.
10:57:03AM AND HERE'S THE STREETCAR AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO
10:57:06AM HERE.
10:57:06AM AND HERE IS A POTENTIAL RAIL SYSTEM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE
10:57:09AM GOING TO DO THERE WITH DOLLAR SIGNS ATTACHED TO EACH ONE.
10:57:14AM WE CAN WORKSHOP THAT IN ADVANCE OF APPROVING IT AND SENDING
10:57:18AM IT OVER.
10:57:19AM AND GIVE IT A MONTH OR TWO OPPORTUNITY IN ADVANCE OF THOSE
10:57:27AM DEADLINES.
10:57:27AM ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE WE WOULD DO AND THE ALL FOR
10:57:37AM TRANSPORTATION FOLKS CAN COME IN HERE AS WELL AS ANY OTHER
10:57:40AM CITIZENS TO EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS ON HOW WE'RE SPENDING
10:57:45AM THAT NEW MONEY.
10:57:47AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE CERTAINLY PLAN TO DO THAT.
10:57:49AM GREAT SUGGESTION, AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE MORE
10:57:53AM ENGAGEMENT ON ALL LEVELS, MEETINGS, AND OTHER MEANS FOR
10:57:57AM PEOPLE TO WEIGH IN.
10:58:00AM THE COMMITMENT THAT OUR CITIZENS GAVE US THROUGH VOTING FOR
10:58:04AM THIS, THEY DESERVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND TRANSPARENCY
10:58:08AM AND ENGAGEMENT IN HOW THINGS ARE BEING PLANNED.
10:58:11AM THAT'S HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS GOING FORWARD, FOR SURE.
10:58:15AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST QUESTION I HAD ON THIS,
10:58:17AM MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IN REGARD TO WMBE OPPORTUNITIES AGAIN, THIS
10:58:29AM IS NEW MONEY.
10:58:29AM IT'S A NEW PROGRAM.
10:58:31AM I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE ANSWERS FOR US TODAY, BUT IF IT'S
10:58:36AM ALMOST $50 MILLION A YEAR AND WILL INCREASE OVER THE YEARS,
10:58:41AM I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME NEAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE
10:58:45AM EVEN MORE DYNAMIC AND CREATIVE ON WMBE, MINORITY BUSINESS
10:58:53AM OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY, ALL THE COMMUNITY TO
10:58:57AM PARTICIPATE.
10:58:58AM AND SO I'LL LOOK TO YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENTS SINCE MOST OF
10:59:04AM THIS IS GOING THROUGH YOU TO TAKE A LEAP BEYOND SOME OF THE
10:59:08AM OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND SHOW US HOW GOOD THAT CAN BE.
10:59:13AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE'LL CERTAINLY WORK WITH MR. HART'S OFFICE
10:59:16AM TO SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING LOCAL
10:59:20AM OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.
10:59:22AM IT WILL CREATE A LOT OF JOB OPPORTUNITIES ON MANY LEVELS
10:59:24AM WHEN THIS MONEY COMES TO US.
10:59:27AM A REALLY POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO
10:59:30AM IT.
10:59:30AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
10:59:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:59:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN THE BALLOON FINALLY BUSTS AND IT COMES
10:59:43AM RAINING, I GUESS FOR ME I WANT TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA AS FAR
10:59:46AM AS THE SCHEMATIC YOU GAVE OUT AND THAT LIST OF PRIORITIES,
10:59:51AM HOW WILL THAT BREAK DOWN?
10:59:53AM WHO'S ON FIRST?
10:59:55AM WHO'S ON SECOND?
10:59:56AM HOW WILL THAT BREAK DOWN?
10:59:57AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.
10:59:58AM SO AS I MENTIONED, WHEN WE PLAN PROJECTS, WE DO THAT IN A
11:00:03AM TECHNICAL WAY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE,
11:00:06AM WHETHER IT'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, WHETHER IT'S AN INTERSECTION
11:00:09AM THAT HAS CONGESTION, WHETHER IT'S A ROAD THAT NEEDS TO BE
11:00:11AM PAVED AND WE SEPARATE THOSE CATEGORIES OUT AND WE CREATE
11:00:14AM LISTS BASED ON THE NEED OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:00:18AM AND THEN WE TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND LOOK TO SEE ABOUT
11:00:21AM SPREADING THE WORK AROUND EVENLY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
11:00:25AM THROUGHOUT THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT ARE
11:00:27AM OLDER AND SOME AREAS THAT ARE NEWER, WE STILL -- THERE ARE
11:00:31AM STILL NEEDS IN ALL AREAS AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE
11:00:34AM DISTRIBUTING THOSE MONIES FAIRLY.
11:00:36AM OF COURSE, WE ADD IN ANY OTHER REQUESTS THAT WE'RE GETTING
11:00:39AM THAT SEEM TO BE SPECIAL OR CRITICAL OR MORE URGENT, AND ROLL
11:00:47AM THAT TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE
11:00:51AM PLANNING TO DO OUR PROJECT.
11:00:53AM SO PART OF THE EFFORT NEXT YEAR WILL BE TO UPDATE WHAT WE
11:00:56AM CALL OUR MOBILITY PLAN, WHICH IS BASICALLY OUR MASTER PLAN
11:00:59AM FOR TRANSPORTATION.
11:01:00AM AND PART OF THAT WILL INCLUDE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WHERE WE
11:01:05AM TALK ABOUT HOW WE PRIORITIZE PROJECTS.
11:01:08AM AND THE PRIORITIZATION METHOD WILL BE PART OF WHAT WE WANT
11:01:11AM TO HEAR BACK FROM FOLKS AND HAVE POSSIBLE TWEAKINGS OF THAT.
11:01:16AM THE WAY WE PRIORITIZE ROADWAY PROJECTS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT
11:01:19AM THAN WE MIGHT PRIORITIZE SIDEWALK PROJECTS.
11:01:22AM SO WE DEFINITELY WILL BE TRYING TO ADD MORE SPECIFICITY TO
11:01:29AM SOME OF THOSE METHODOLOGIES ONCE WE GET STARTED NEXT YEAR
11:01:32AM AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE
11:01:36AM HAVE, HOW WE'RE PRIORITIZING THOSE AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME
11:01:38AM NEW WAYS OF DOING THAT THAT WILL BE MORE CREATIVE AND MORE
11:01:43AM AMENABLE TO PEOPLE.
11:01:45AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WILL BE A
11:01:47AM MECHANISM IN PLACE FOR CITIZENS, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE
11:01:50AM SOMETHING THAT WE MISS, BUT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF.
11:01:54AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: UM-HUM.
11:01:55AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A MECHANISM IN
11:01:57AM PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS HERE.
11:02:01AM WE NEED YOUR HELP TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IDENTIFYING IT.
11:02:04AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IF I COULD JUST ALSO ADD, THE MAYOR HAS FIVE
11:02:07AM ADVISORY TEAMS THAT SHE'S PUT TOGETHER.
11:02:09AM ONE OF THOSE IS TRANSPORTATION.
11:02:10AM I KNOW THAT WHEN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COME OUT FROM THAT
11:02:15AM ADVISORY TEAM THAT HAVING A LASER FOCUS ON MORE ENHANCED
11:02:19AM PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE PART OF THOSE
11:02:24AM RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:02:25AM SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND, PUBLIC
11:02:29AM ENGAGEMENT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WANTING TO
11:02:31AM RAMP OUR EFFORTS UP ON WITH OUR FOLKS IN TERMS OF
11:02:34AM TRANSPORTATION. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
11:02:38AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:02:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:02:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE QUICK COMMENT.
11:02:43AM I DON'T KNOW.
11:02:43AM THIS JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD.
11:02:45AM DO YOU RECALL WHEN PINELLAS COUNTY PASSED I THINK IT WAS
11:02:50AM THEIR PENNY FOR PINELLAS.
11:02:51AM AS YOU WOULD BE DRIVING AROUND PINELLAS COUNTY, YOU WOULD
11:02:54AM SEE THE SIGNAGE, "THIS PROJECT IS PAID FOR BY PENNIES FOR
11:02:58AM PINELLAS."
11:02:59AM I ASSUME THE NEXT TIME THEY CAME BACK WITH FIVE, TEN YEARS
11:03:03AM LATER WITH A SIMILAR TYPE OF ASK, THAT WOULD HELP THE
11:03:06AM COMMUNITY BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MONEY WAS GOING
11:03:08AM FOR.
11:03:09AM I WOULD URGE NOT ONLY THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT ALL THE
11:03:12AM JURISDICTIONS TO DO THAT.
11:03:14AM I KNOW THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A COUNCIL TASK, BUT PLEASE ASK
11:03:20AM THE MAYOR IF SHE'LL PUT UP SIGNAGE LIKE THAT ON EVERY SINGLE
11:03:24AM PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT PAID FOR BY ALL FOR
11:03:27AM TRANSPORTATION PENNY SALES TAX AND IN A BIG WAY, AND
11:03:33AM ENCOURAGE ALL THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO DO THE SAME.
11:03:36AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
11:03:38AM WE'RE DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT THAT, BRANDING THIS AND
11:03:41AM MESSAGING IT THROUGH SIGNAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT PINELLAS DOES
11:03:45AM BECAUSE IT REALLY GIVES PEOPLE A POSITIVE FEEDBACK THAT WHAT
11:03:48AM THEY ARE HAVING TO PAY OUT OF THEIR POCKET, THEY ARE SEEING
11:03:51AM PHYSICAL RESULTS OF THAT AND THEY ARE GETTING A BENEFIT FROM
11:03:54AM IT.
11:03:54AM IT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION AND WE DEFINITELY ARE PLANNING TO DO
11:03:57AM SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
11:03:59AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU AND I ALSO TALKED YESTERDAY, DISTRICT
11:04:02AM BY DISTRICT, HOW IS THIS BREAKING OUT.
11:04:04AM HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT TODAY?
11:04:06AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, I HAVE SOME NUMBERS HERE.
11:04:09AM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A MAP TO MAP OUT OUR EXISTING CAPITAL
11:04:14AM IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION
11:04:19AM PROGRAM AS WELL, JUST TO SEE HOW ALL THE DOTS ON THE MAP, IF
11:04:24AM YOU WANT TO CALL IT, ARE LINING UP.
11:04:27AM AND SO IT'S VERY INTERESTING -- I HAVE A FIVE-YEAR SNAPSHOT
11:04:32AM ON THAT.
11:04:32AM I COULD THROW A FEW NUMBERS OUT.
11:04:34AM I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THIS MAP WITH YOU ONCE WE GET IT
11:04:37AM FINALIZED.
11:04:39AM IF WE LOOK AT THE SURTAX PLAN, OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD,
11:04:45AM WE'RE LOOKING AT -- MAKE SURE I GOT MY NUMBERS CORRECT HERE
11:04:49AM -- WE'RE LOOKING AT $18 MILLION IN DISTRICT 4.
11:04:58AM 18,600,000 IN DISTRICT 5.
11:05:01AM 15,925,000 IN DISTRICT 6.
11:05:06AM AND 21,750,000 IN DISTRICT 7.
11:05:11AM WITHOUT STRATEGICALLY PLANNING THAT, FOR THOSE NUMBERS TO
11:05:15AM COME OUT THAT CLOSE FOR ALL FOUR DISTRICTS, IT JUST WAS A
11:05:21AM GREAT ENDORSEMENT THAT THE WAY WE APPROACH PROJECT PLANNING
11:05:26AM IS VERY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A VERY EVEN PLAYING
11:05:30AM FIELD WITH OUR FOUR DISTRICTS.
11:05:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S ANNUALLY?
11:05:35AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR SNAPSHOT.
11:05:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, FIVE.
11:05:38AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE'RE HAPPY TO DO ANY SORT OF METRICS ON THAT
11:05:42AM GOING FORWARD THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE TO KEEP GETTING
11:05:44AM ASSURANCES AND BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS THE
11:05:47AM FAIRNESS FACTOR IS BAKED INTO THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESSES.
11:05:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
11:05:57AM FIRST, LET ME SAY THANK YOU.
11:05:58AM AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR E-MAIL THIS MORNING AND IT YOUR
11:06:02AM DEPARTMENT THAT'S ALWAYS VERY RESPONSIVE, ESPECIALLY WILLIAM
11:06:07AM AND OTHERS.
11:06:07AM YOU GUYS ARE WONDERFUL.
11:06:08AM IF I COULD GET A MOTION FOR 44 AND 45?
11:06:12AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WITH A SECOND
11:06:14AM FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:06:15AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:06:18AM NUMBER 45.
11:06:19AM DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER?
11:06:23AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION WAS FOR BOTH.
11:06:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKEYDOKEY.
11:06:27AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA AND -- [MICROPHONE
11:06:31AM NOT ON]
11:06:32AM [INAUDIBLE] -- ABSTAINING.
11:06:40AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I BELIEVE 66, IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE,
11:06:45AM IF THAT'S OKAY.
11:06:46AM ITEM 66, I'M SO GLAD THIS ISSUE WAS RAISED BECAUSE THERE WAS
11:06:54AM A RECENT MEDIA COVERAGE ABOUT WHAT USED TO BE CALLED A
11:06:58AM RED-LINE LIST, WHICH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, SINCE THE 1980s,
11:07:05AM NO ONE EVER POINTED OUT TO ANY OF US NERDY ENGINEERS THAT
11:07:09AM THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A VERY GOOD NAME FOR THIS LIST THAT WE
11:07:12AM HAVE.
11:07:12AM WE DREW A RED LINE ON A PIECE OF PAPER.
11:07:16AM IT IS THE RED LINE LIST.
11:07:17AM SOMETIMES WE DON'T THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX IN WAYS THAT WE
11:07:20AM SHOULD.
11:07:20AM SO I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
11:07:25AM JUST VERY QUICKLY, THIS LIST, WHICH WE HAVE RENAMED THE
11:07:30AM STORMWATER ADVISORY LIST, THE S.A.L. LIST, WHICH IS NOT
11:07:35AM MR. TERRITO.
11:07:37AM HE WASN'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT THE NAME, BUT WE THINK IT'S A GOOD
11:07:40AM ONE.
11:07:40AM WE ALREADY CHANGED OUR WEBSITE TO REFLECT THIS NEW NAME OF
11:07:43AM THE LIST.
11:07:44AM AND THE ORIGINAL INTENDED PURPOSE OF IT WAS TO GIVE SOME
11:07:52AM INFORMATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND TO OUR PERMIT REVIEWERS
11:07:55AM THAT THERE ARE STORMWATER DRAINAGE FLOODING ISSUES RELATED
11:07:57AM TO A PROPERTY THAT MIGHT NEED EXTRA ATTENTION THAN OTHERWISE
11:08:03AM NECESSARY.
11:08:04AM SO IT WAS JUST MEANT AS AN INFORMATIONAL POINT OF REFERENCE.
11:08:11AM THAT'S REALLY ALL IT WAS EVER MEANT TO BE.
11:08:14AM IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE, LIKE I SAID, SINCE THE 1980s.
11:08:17AM SINCE THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AS THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT
11:08:22AM IT, NOT ONLY DID WE RENAME THE LIST, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON
11:08:26AM PUTTING A SHORT REQUEST FORM ON OUR WEBSITE FOR FOLKS THAT,
11:08:31AM IF THEY ARE SEEING THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS ON THERE, AND IT'S
11:08:34AM VERY EASY TO GO ON THE WEBSITE, CLICK ON YOUR PROPERTY AND
11:08:38AM SEE IF IT'S ON THERE AND IF IT IS, WHY, WHAT THE REASON FOR
11:08:41AM IT BEING ON THERE IS.
11:08:43AM SO WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT A SHORT REQUEST FORM ON THERE FOR
11:08:46AM FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE TO US, WHY IS MY PROPERTY
11:08:51AM ON THERE?
11:08:52AM AND COULD I HAVE IT TAKEN OFF?
11:08:56AM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT UPDATED ON THE WEBSITE.
11:08:59AM IN THE MEANWHILE, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL OPERATING PROCEDURE
11:09:04AM THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
11:09:05AM WE PUT IN PLACE FOR OUR ENGINEERS TO USE WHEN WE GET ONE OF
11:09:08AM THESE REQUESTS, WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO REVIEW
11:09:11AM THE INQUIRY AND SEE WHETHER WE CAN REMOVE THAT PROPERTY FROM
11:09:14AM THIS LIST OR NOT.
11:09:15AM IN THE MEANWHILE, WE'RE GOING BACK AND LOOKING TO SEE ALL
11:09:20AM THE REASONS WHY PROPERTIES WERE PUT ON THERE IN THE FIRST
11:09:22AM PLACE, GOING BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE '80s.
11:09:25AM AND WE'LL BE CLEANING UP THE REASONS WHY PROPERTIES GET PUT
11:09:28AM ON THE LIST.
11:09:31AM ALSO POTENTIALLY REMOVING SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT DON'T
11:09:33AM NEED TO BE ON THERE ANYMORE.
11:09:36AM IT COULD HAVE BEEN IN THE '80s THERE WERE FLOODING ISSUES.
11:09:38AM SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE BUILT A STORMWATER SYSTEM.
11:09:42AM THE PROBLEMS DON'T EXIST ANYMORE, THEREFORE THE PROPERTY
11:09:44AM DOES NOT NEED TO BE ON THE LIST.
11:09:46AM SO THAT'S SORT OF THE QUICK AND DIRTY SUMMARY OF THIS LIST.
11:09:51AM I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:09:54AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:09:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL DEFER TO COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:10:00AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GLAD STAFF RECOGNIZED THAT WHEN I
11:10:03AM RECOGNIZED THAT ON THE TELEVISION SET ONE NIGHT.
11:10:06AM I GUESS STILL MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IF I'M A CITIZEN AND I'M
11:10:10AM LOOKING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY, AND I BUY THIS PROPERTY, AND
11:10:17AM NOW CONSTRUCTION SAYS YOU'VE GOT THIS SITUATION HERE.
11:10:21AM I'M JUST LOOKING LIKE -- IF I'VE GOT MY SAVINGS, AND I
11:10:27AM INVESTED ALL THIS MONEY AND NOW I FOUND OUT NOW, I CAN'T
11:10:30AM MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE
11:10:32AM MONEY BECAUSE THE CITY SAYS I'M ON THIS LIST HERE.
11:10:37AM HOW DID WE DO IT BEFORE SO A PERSON DOESN'T GET STUCK?
11:10:40AM THAT'S MY CONCERN.
11:10:42AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: WELL, AGAIN THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION.
11:10:47AM SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE THOROUGH WITH THEIR DUE DILIGENCE OF
11:10:51AM DECISIONS THEY MAKE THAN OTHERS.
11:10:52AM I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE AN EASY ANSWER FOR THAT.
11:10:54AM BUT OUR BEST EFFORT IS TO PUT THIS OUT THERE FOR ANYONE
11:10:58AM WHO'S LOOKING TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY, IF THEY START DOING
11:11:03AM THEIR HOMEWORK ON WHETHER IT'S A GOOD DECISION OR NOT, WE
11:11:06AM HAVE THIS OUT THERE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO LOOK AT AND
11:11:08AM CERTAINLY THEY CAN CALL WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
11:11:10AM I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GET THIS IN FRONT OF FOLKS, BECAUSE
11:11:14AM THERE'S MANY THINGS THAT COULD BE AFFECTING A PROPERTY.
11:11:17AM THERE COULD BE A PROJECT THAT'S BEING PLANNED THAT MIGHT
11:11:19AM AFFECT THEM.
11:11:19AM THERE COULD BE AIR TRAFFIC THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
11:11:24AM THERE'S A RAILROAD TRACK THAT THE HORN BLOWS ALL THE TIME
11:11:27AM THAT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
11:11:28AM IT'S HARD TO GET ALL OF THOSE FACTORS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER
11:11:32AM MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BEFORE THEY PURCHASE SOMETHING,
11:11:35AM BEFORE THEY GO IN, AND THEN, GOSH, I WISH I KNEW ABOUT THIS
11:11:39AM TRAIN.
11:11:39AM I WISH I KNEW ABOUT THIS POWER LINE THAT'S OVER THERE.
11:11:42AM I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE A QUICK ANSWER FOR YOU.
11:11:44AM I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO HELP.
11:11:46AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'RE DOWN THAT OTHER ROAD HERE.
11:11:49AM BUT THE ROAD I'M ON IS, IF I JUST HAD CONTACTED A REALTOR
11:11:55AM ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND ALL I HAVE IS $180,000.
11:12:01AM THAT WAS MY DEAL TO GET THINGS MOVING.
11:12:02AM NOW I'M TOLD BY A CONSTRUCTION INDIVIDUAL OR PERMITTING,
11:12:05AM THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.
11:12:06AM NOW YOU NEED ANOTHER $70,000 TO GET THIS MOVING.
11:12:09AM SO I GUESS MY THING IS -- AND I DON'T KNOW EASY CATCH FOR
11:12:14AM IT.
11:12:14AM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TO OUR BENEFIT AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE
11:12:18AM SURE THAT IF SOMEONE PURCHASES A HOME WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS
11:12:22AM THAT THEY KNOW OR CHECK TO MAKE SURE.
11:12:25AM I'M LOOKING OUT FOR THE CITIZEN WHO JUST DOESN'T KNOW TO
11:12:29AM KNOW.
11:12:29AM WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW TO KNOW, IT'S LIKE I'M STUCK.
11:12:32AM I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY THAT WE CAN HELP THE PUBLIC,
11:12:35AM THE PEOPLE.
11:12:36AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I CAN TELL YOU THAT RECENTLY OUR
11:12:38AM ADMINISTRATOR, BRAD BAIRD, DID A PRESENTATION TO THE GTAR,
11:12:42AM THE GREATER TAMPA AREA REALTOR ASSOCIATION, AND TALKED ABOUT
11:12:47AM THIS VERY ISSUE WITH THEM SO THAT BODY IS AWARE.
11:12:53AM I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE HOME
11:12:56AM BUILDERS, WITH THE REALTY COMMUNITY TO GET THIS INFORMATION
11:13:00AM OUT THERE THAT AS FOLKS ARE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT PERSONAL
11:13:03AM INVESTMENTS, THEY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AT THEIR
11:13:05AM FINGERTIPS TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
11:13:08AM SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO DO MORE OF THAT.
11:13:14AM IT IS A TOUGH ONE TO HAVE A QUICK AND EASY ANSWER TO MAKE
11:13:16AM SURE.
11:13:17AM THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION IN OUR WORLD TODAY, HOW DO WE
11:13:20AM GET THAT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE?
11:13:21AM IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE A HELPFUL SUGGESTION,
11:13:26AM WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
11:13:29AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK I
11:13:31AM HAVE A SUGGESTION -- [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:13:33AM I THINK I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
11:13:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:13:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:13:41AM >> I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
11:13:42AM THANK YOU, JEAN.
11:13:43AM JAN McLEAN WITH THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
11:13:46AM IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN THAT IF YOUR PROPERTY IS ON THE LIST
11:13:49AM THAT IT'S IDENTIFIED WITH SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD OR
11:13:52AM THAT IS AN IMPEDIMENT TO BE BUILT.
11:13:54AM IT'S JUST AN IDENTIFIER OF AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN ASSOCIATED
11:13:58AM WITH A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
11:14:02AM ABOUT.
11:14:02AM IT TAKES AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF REVIEW WHEN IT GOES TO
11:14:07AM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WITH A PERMIT APPLICATION.
11:14:09AM BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NECESSARILY AN IMPEDIMENT.
11:14:13AM IT'S AN INTERNAL REVIEW.
11:14:14AM THAT'S WHY JEAN HAS SAID WE'RE GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT
11:14:18AM THIS LIST BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, WE'D
11:14:22AM BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY REMOVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THESE
11:14:25AM PROPERTIES FROM THE LIST.
11:14:27AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN THAT GOES BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT.
11:14:29AM IF I ONLY HAVE SO MUCH OF CAPITAL, AND I'VE ALREADY
11:14:36AM PURCHASED, AND NOW I GO TO DO THE ACTUAL BUILD, BUT NOW THE
11:14:43AM BUILD SAYS I'VE GOT TO REDO THIS OR REDO THAT, THEN I DON'T
11:14:47AM HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE BUILD.
11:15:00AM >>JAN MCLEAN: RESPECTFULLY, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO
11:15:00AM CLARIFY THAT IT MIGHT NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CAPITAL FOR THE
11:15:00AM BUILD.
11:15:00AM IT'S JUST TO IDENTIFY FOR OUR REVIEWING STAFF TO BE ABLE TO
11:15:03AM KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PARTICULAR
11:15:06AM PROPERTY.
11:15:07AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GET THAT.
11:15:08AM AGAIN, I THINK THE HOME BUYER, IF THEY ARE IN THE CITY OF
11:15:10AM TAMPA, IF WE'VE GOT THAT ON OUR LIST OR POSSIBLE POTENTIAL
11:15:13AM FOR THAT, IF THERE'S A REALTOR THAT'S GOING TO SELL THAT
11:15:16AM PROPERTY, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT OF THE CITY, THIS BODY, TO
11:15:20AM MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GETTING INTO
11:15:22AM REGARDLESS SO THEY DON'T GET STUCK.
11:15:26AM >> DULY NOTED.
11:15:27AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I LOOK AT THIS WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
11:15:30AM HATS, AS COUNCILMAN, I THINK WE INITIALLY PROBABLY STARTED
11:15:38AM THIS DECADES AGO AS A PUBLIC SERVICE, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT,
11:15:43AM AS WELL AS AN INTERNAL THING.
11:15:48AM LICENSED REAL ESTATE BROKER, MEMBER OF GTAR, I HAVE CONCERNS
11:15:55AM ABOUT PROTECTING, AND AS AN ATTORNEY, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
11:16:00AM PROTECTING, AS MR. GUDES MENTIONED, PROTECTING THE BUYERS.
11:16:04AM BUT THEN AS AN ATTORNEY, I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS AND I'D LIKE
11:16:07AM TO ASK MS. ZELMAN, WHAT SHE THINKS, HAVING BEEN IN THE
11:16:11AM PRIVATE SECTOR FOR QUITE A WHILE, ABOUT CONCERNS OF THE
11:16:15AM PROPERTY OWNERS POTENTIALLY AS SELLERS.
11:16:18AM THERE'S CASE LAW THAT SAYS, I THINK ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS AGO,
11:16:21AM ANDREA, THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU PUT A PROPOSED ROAD ON A MAP,
11:16:28AM BUT YOU DON'T BUILD IT AND YOU DON'T START DOING A TAKING,
11:16:32AM EFFECTIVELY YOU'VE DONE A TAKING BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT
11:16:35AM DOTTED, YOU REMEMBER THIS JEAN.
11:16:38AM I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CASE NAME.
11:16:40AM YOU HAVE THAT DOT ON THE MAP AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY
11:16:43AM MIGHT SHY AWAY FROM IT OR PROPERTY VALUES MIGHT CHANGE
11:16:47AM DRAMATICALLY AND THE SUPREME COURT SPOKE TO THAT.
11:16:49AM MY CONCERN IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS
11:16:56AM HAVING A TAKINGS CLAIM BECAUSE OF THOSE RED LINES OR SALs
11:17:04AM NOW, ON THE MAP.
11:17:06AM MS. ZELMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEELING ON THAT.
11:17:08AM I WON'T HOLD YOU TO IT.
11:17:11AM AND WELCOME BACK, BY THE WAY.
11:17:12AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU.
11:17:14AM AND THANK YOU FOR THE EARLIER WELCOME BACK.
11:17:16AM I APPRECIATE IT.
11:17:17AM I'M THRILLED TO BE HERE.
11:17:18AM JEAN CALLED HERSELF A NERDY ENGINEER, I'M A NERDY LOCAL
11:17:22AM GOVERNMENT ATTORNEY.
11:17:23AM I'M THRILLED TO BE BACK AND WORKING WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
11:17:26AM I THINK WHAT JAN WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT, AND JEAN AS WELL,
11:17:31AM RIGHT NOW, THE RECENT PUBLICITY ABOUT THIS ITEM HAS CAUSED
11:17:35AM THE CITY STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THESE LISTS THAT HAVE
11:17:39AM BEEN CAPPED, LIKE YOU SAID, FOR MANY, MANY DECADES.
11:17:43AM AND WHAT THEY ARE FINDING IS SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE
11:17:46AM PUT ON THE LIST BECAUSE THE CITY MAY ULTIMATELY WANT TO ASK
11:17:50AM FOR AN EASEMENT ON A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY OR SOME OF
11:17:53AM THEM MAY JUST HAVE A NEIGHBOR WITH A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
11:17:58AM SO WHEN THE NEXT HOUSE GETS BUILT, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE
11:18:01AM THAT'S ACCOMMODATED.
11:18:02AM I THINK THE POINT RIGHT NOW IS, THIS IS CAUSING THE CITY
11:18:06AM STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS LIST AND MAKE SURE THAT
11:18:11AM THE PARCELS OF PROPERTY THAT ARE ON THERE SHOULD BE ON
11:18:14AM THERE, CATEGORIZE THEM.
11:18:19AM SOME ARE OF MORE CONCERN THAN OTHERS.
11:18:20AM MANY ARE MINOR THINGS.
11:18:21AM MANY CAN PROBABLY BE TAKEN OFF THE LIST.
11:18:24AM BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING RADICAL AND BEFORE WE ALARM PEOPLE,
11:18:29AM THE STAFF WANTS TO GO BACK AND CLEAN UP THE LIST AND, AGAIN,
11:18:34AM CATEGORIZE THE REASON -- SOME OF THE PROPERTIES WERE PUT ON
11:18:37AM THE LIST FOR THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW AND SAYING,
11:18:40AM THIS DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.
11:18:42AM LET'S GO BACK AND REVISIT IT.
11:18:43AM I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF IS TRYING TO SAY, GIVE THEM A
11:18:49AM LITTLE MORE TIME TO CLEAN UP THE LIST.
11:18:51AM ALSO, AS JAN POINTED OUT, BE AWARE THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE A
11:18:54AM PROPERTY IS ON THE LIST DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE
11:18:56AM PARCEL CANNOT BE -- THAT CONSTRUCTION CAN'T GO FORWARD ON
11:18:59AM THE PARCEL OR THAT ANYTHING WILL ACTUALLY COST THE PROPERTY
11:19:03AM OWNER MONEY.
11:19:03AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I'D URGE LEGAL COUNSEL ALSO TO
11:19:06AM LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY TO SAY SHOULD WE HAVE A LIST OF
11:19:11AM ALL IN REGARD TO THE POTENTIAL HARMFUL IMPACT ON THE CURRENT
11:19:15AM PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:19:15AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: RIGHT.
11:19:16AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW THAT WE SHOULD
11:19:19AM -- ANYBODY SHOULD BE SNEAKY OR THAT SORT OF THING, BUT,
11:19:22AM LISTEN, PEOPLE HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, TOO.
11:19:24AM AND THAT CAN COST US A LOT OF MONEY IF WE'RE IMPACTING THOSE
11:19:29AM PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:19:29AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
11:19:31AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO
11:19:34AM MENTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THESE LISTS STILL INCLUDE THIS,
11:19:36AM BUT SOMETIMES WE ACTUALLY HAVE STORMWATER PIPES DIAGONALLY
11:19:42AM ACROSS PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, IN THEORY BACKYARDS.
11:19:44AM I REMEMBER ONE DOWN IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT WAS ACTUALLY
11:19:47AM UNDERNEATH SOMEBODY'S HOUSE RIGHT THERE OFF OF MacDILL.
11:19:50AM THAT CAUSED LITIGATION AND ULTIMATELY THE HOUSE JUST FELL
11:19:54AM APART BECAUSE NOBODY -- IT WAS JUST A BIG MESS FOR YEARS.
11:19:59AM I'M ASSUMING THAT OUR S.A.L. MAP INCLUDES THOSE AS WELL.
11:20:06AM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I BELIEVE IT DOES, CORRECT?
11:20:09AM YES.
11:20:09AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF US
11:20:11AM REVAMPING THIS OR REVISITING THIS AND SHOULD YOU COME BACK
11:20:15AM AND GIVE US AN UPDATE?
11:20:19AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: I DON'T HAVE A REALLY SOLID TIMELINE.
11:20:21AM CERTAINLY AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.
11:20:23AM THERE'S PROBABLY A THOUSAND PROPERTIES ON THE LIST, WOULD
11:20:26AM YOU SAY, ALEX?
11:20:29AM I HAVE THE NUMBER.
11:20:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: SIR, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME UP TO SPEAK.
11:20:34AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THERE'S ACTUALLY 7,692 PARCELS.
11:20:38AM ON THE LIST.
11:20:39AM WE WANTED TO BE THOROUGH WITH EACH ONE.
11:20:44AM SOME WILL BE VERY QUICK, WHERE THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S
11:20:49AM NO NEED.
11:20:50AM BUT CERTAINLY, WE'LL NEED SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH IT
11:20:55AM APPROPRIATELY, THOROUGHLY.
11:20:58AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WITH THE SUMMER RAINS YOU CAN COME
11:21:00AM BACK NEXT SPRING AND GIVE US AN UPDATE.
11:21:02AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF WE COULD DO
11:21:06AM THAT.
11:21:06AM WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE SOME PROGRESS BY THEN THAT WE CAN
11:21:10AM REPORT BACK ON.
11:21:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:21:11AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:21:13AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
11:21:14AM WE CAN'T BE PERFECT.
11:21:15AM LET ME GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.
11:21:16AM IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO BE PERFECT.
11:21:18AM I BUILT THE HOUSE.
11:21:19AM I COME BEFORE A BODY.
11:21:22AM AND THE BODY TELLS ME I HAVE TO PUT A SWALE, HAVE TO PUT A
11:21:26AM RETENTION POND IN THE BACK AND I DO THAT.
11:21:29AM SO NOW I'M THERE FOR TEN YEARS AND I SELL THE HOUSE TO
11:21:32AM ANOTHER PARTY.
11:21:33AM THERE'S A DROUGHT FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
11:21:36AM ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SAY, WHY DO WE HAVE THESE SWALES?
11:21:39AM WHY DO WE HAVE THESE -- THEY FILL THEM IN.
11:21:43AM THEY DON'T ASK PERMISSION.
11:21:44AM THEY FILL THEM IN.
11:21:45AM THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR SEMESTERS THE HOUSE TO PARTY C.
11:21:48AM NOW YOU HAVE PARTY A AND PARTY C LIVING IN THE HOUSE THAT I
11:21:50AM LIVED IN AND THE NEIGHBOR LIVED IN.
11:21:52AM ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S FILLED IN AND IT STARTS TO RAIN.
11:21:58AM GUESS WHAT HAPPENS.
11:22:00AM IT FLOODS.
11:22:02AM HOWEVER, IN THE ORIGINAL PLANS, IT WAS STATED THEY HAD A
11:22:07AM DITCH, AND THEY HAD A SWALE.
11:22:11AM THE PROBLEM IS, WHO CHECKED IT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS?
11:22:15AM I WOULD SAY NO ONE.
11:22:17AM BUT IF YOU HAVE 7,000 IN THAT LIST, I CAN GIVE YOU ONE WILL
11:22:20AM HAVE 15,000.
11:22:22AM THOSE ARE THE HOMES THAT ARE DIVIDED INTO RENTAL PROPERTIES
11:22:25AM WITH THREE AND FOUR FAMILIES WITH THREE KITCHENS, AND IN A
11:22:28AM LITTLE PART OF WEST TAMPA THEY IDENTIFIED 232 OF THEM JUST
11:22:32AM IN A SMALL AREA.
11:22:34AM I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE AMOUNT WOULD BE EQUAL TO OR GREATER
11:22:36AM THAN THE 7,000 YOU JUST IDENTIFIED.
11:22:39AM WHAT'S THE PROBLEM THERE?
11:22:40AM FIRST OF ALL, THEY ARE NOT ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY.
11:22:45AM SECOND OF ALL, THEY DON'T PAY AD VALOREM TAXES BECAUSE THE
11:22:49AM HOMESTEAD IS SUPPOSED TO BE GONE.
11:22:52AM THEY DON'T EVEN PAY UNCLE SAM TAXES.
11:22:55AM SO WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE?
11:22:59AM I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE, NOTHING.
11:23:01AM I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE COURT.
11:23:04AM THANK YOU.
11:23:05AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:23:06AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:23:08AM GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' POINTS, MS. DUNCAN, THIS
11:23:12AM LIST, FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE FOR EVERY POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER IS
11:23:16AM THE REALTOR.
11:23:18AM SECOND IS TITLE COMPANIES.
11:23:19AM ARE THESE LISTS GOING TO BE GIVEN TO THE MAJORITY OF
11:23:22AM REALTORS OR THE GREATER TAMPA REALTORS OR ALL OF THE TITLE
11:23:29AM COMPANIES?
11:23:32AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAND OUT TO FOLKS.
11:23:36AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL IT BE AVAILABLE?
11:23:37AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IT'S AVAILABLE.
11:23:38AM IT'S BEEN AVAILABLE FOR DECADES.
11:23:40AM IT CONTINUES TO BE AVAILABLE.
11:23:41AM WE DO WORK WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
11:23:43AM THEY ARE FULLY AWARE.
11:23:46AM SO WE'RE JUST BEING TRANSPARENT, AND IT'S REALLY ON THE
11:23:52AM PURCHASER TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK AND GET AS MUCH INFORMATION
11:23:56AM AS THEY CAN.
11:23:56AM IT'S ONLY INTENDED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
11:24:02AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER GOES I NEED FULL
11:24:05AM DISCLOSURE OF EVERYTHING ON THE PROPERTY, THEY ARE DOING
11:24:08AM THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO THE TITLE COMPANIES AND THE REALTORS,
11:24:14AM PERTAINING TO THIS S.A.L. LIST.
11:24:17AM >>JEAN DUNCAN: IF A HOMEOWNER IS GOING TO SELL THEIR
11:24:20AM PROPERTY, THEY HAVE TO DISCLOSE ANY ISSUES, OF COURSE.
11:24:22AM THEY MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS LIST.
11:24:24AM THEY DISCLOSE WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY IN AS MUCH
11:24:28AM HONESTY AS THEY SEE FIT.
11:24:31AM AGAIN, THIS IS JUST INFORMATION JUST LIKE THERE'S
11:24:34AM INFORMATION ABOUT FUTURE ROADS THAT ARE COMING ALONG AND
11:24:37AM THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
11:24:38AM WE'RE NOT OUT SHOPPING IT AROUND.
11:24:40AM WE JUST ARE PLACING IT OUT THERE FOR THOSE INTERESTED AND
11:24:45AM INQUIRING ON THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT THEY HAVE THE
11:24:47AM INFORMATION.
11:24:47AM AND AS ANDREA MENTIONED, WE WILL BE CLEANING UP THE CRITERIA
11:24:52AM AND THE NUMBER OF PARCELS SO THAT IT'S A MORE STREAMLINED
11:24:56AM LIST THAT JUST HAS THE REAL PARCELS ON THERE THAT NEED TO BE
11:25:01AM ON THERE IN TERMS OF ANY EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS OR OTHER
11:25:04AM THINGS.
11:25:04AM I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
11:25:08AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:25:09AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE ON THIS ITEM?
11:25:11AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:25:11AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM CITY STAFF ADDITIONALLY ON ANY OTHER
11:25:16AM ITEMS?
11:25:17AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:25:28AM >> ERIC WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT HERE TO ANSWER ANY
11:25:31AM QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON ITEM 62.
11:25:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS ON 62?
11:25:35AM YES, SIR.
11:25:38AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD MORNING, ERIC.
11:25:39AM I KNOW I'M GOING TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.
11:25:45AM WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DETAILS ON ITEM 62 AND SPECIFICALLY
11:25:48AM EXHIBIT C, WHICH IS THE REEOC/WMBE/EEOP, EXCUSE -- EBOP,
11:25:59AM EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY PROGRAM PROCEDURES FOR GMP
11:26:03AM CONTRACTS, IF EVERYBODY GOES TO THAT PAGE, WHAT YOU'LL SEE
11:26:07AM IS FOUR PAGES OF -- THREE PAGES OF BLANK PAGES.
11:26:11AM IN OTHER WORDS, WE PROVIDE THE VENDOR, IN THIS CASE -- AND
11:26:17AM I'M NOT BEING MEAN TO THEM -- BUT GARNEY COMPANIES IS THE
11:26:21AM SUCCESSFUL GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE GMP VENDOR FOR
11:26:26AM $13 MILLION PROJECT FOR A PUMPING STATION REHAB, BUT WE
11:26:33AM DON'T HAVE ANY GOALS -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY GOALS ON THERE.
11:26:37AM >>ERIC WEISS: THE FACT SHEET --
11:26:41AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I UNDERSTAND GMP HAS A LOT OF
11:26:44AM NEGOTIATIONS TO IT AFTER THE FACT, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL
11:26:47AM FINE AND GOOD BECAUSE I TRUST YOU GUYS.
11:26:49AM YOU HAVE GOOD ENGINEERS.
11:26:51AM YOU'RE A GOOD ENGINEER.
11:26:52AM YOU HAVE GOOD ENGINEERS WORKING FOR YOU, ET CETERA, TO DEAL
11:26:54AM WITH THE NUTS AND BOLTS AND PIPES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
11:26:57AM BUT MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO THESE
11:27:02AM CONTRACTS SAYING, THIS IS OUR EXPECTATION, 20% OR WHATEVER.
11:27:07AM AND AT LEAST HAVE SOME EXPECTATIONS BUILT IN THERE.
11:27:11AM RIGHT NOW, I SEE THREE BLANK PAGES THAT CREATE NO
11:27:13AM EXPECTATIONS.
11:27:14AM SO THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, THE BEST WE CAN DO IS 5%, AND
11:27:19AM A YEAR FROM NOW, THEY SAY, WE'VE MET OUR 5%.
11:27:22AM AREN'T WE FANTASTIC?
11:27:23AM AND THEN WE PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK AND SAY WE MET OUR
11:27:26AM GOAL.
11:27:26AM I FIND IT FRUSTRATING.
11:27:28AM I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB.
11:27:30AM >>ERIC WEISS: THERE WAS A PROJECT-SPECIFIC GOAL FOR THIS AT
11:27:34AM 20.4% THAT WAS IN THE FACT SHEET.
11:27:36AM AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S A DESIGN-BUILD, WE'RE ONLY 60% DONE WITH
11:27:40AM THE DESIGN.
11:27:41AM THEY GIVE US A CONSTRUCTION COST.
11:27:42AM IT'S A GOAL.
11:27:43AM SO THOSE SUBCONTRACTING PACKAGES GET DEVELOPED AS WE FINISH
11:27:48AM THE DESIGN.
11:27:49AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE WITH MY
11:27:53AM LAWYER HAT ON, IT'S A GOAL ON THE FACT SHEET ON PAGE 1,
11:27:57AM 20.4%, BUT NOWHERE IN THE, QUOTE, CONTRACT THAT WE'RE
11:28:02AM ENTERING INTO DID I FIND THE 20.4% SPOKEN TO.
11:28:06AM AGAIN, MS. ZELMAN WILL CONFIRM THAT IF IT'S NOT IN THE
11:28:10AM CONTRACT, HOW BINDING IS IT?
11:28:12AM I'M NOT ASKING HER TO STEP UP AND SAY THAT.
11:28:16AM IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION.
11:28:18AM >>ERIC WEISS: THE PROJECT DELIVERY METHOD WITH DESIGN-BUILD.
11:28:21AM LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU KNOW, YOU PROGRESS WITH DESIGN.
11:28:23AM WITH THE DESIGN BEFORE IT'S DONE, YOU HIRE THE CONTRACTOR.
11:28:28AM SO WE HAVEN'T DEVELOPED ALL THE FINAL SUBCONTRACTING
11:28:32AM PACKAGES YET.
11:28:33AM BUT WE MET WITH THE MBE OFFICE, CAME UP WITH THE
11:28:38AM OPPORTUNITIES, CAME UP WITH A GOAL, AND THEN IN THE FUTURE,
11:28:42AM THEY ARE GOING TO START TO PUT OUT THOSE PACKAGES TO THE
11:28:46AM CONTRACTING.
11:28:46AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT LEVERAGE DO WE HAVE AFTER WE SIGN
11:28:49AM THE CONTRACT TO GET THEM TO THAT 20% GOAL?
11:28:53AM >>ERIC WEISS: THAT'S OUR JOB TO MONITOR IT, TO MAKE SURE
11:28:55AM THAT HAPPENS.
11:28:56AM AS A WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT, THE CONTRACT ADMIN DEPARTMENT,
11:28:59AM AND THE MBE OFFICE.
11:29:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:29:02AM >>ERIC WEISS: AND ULTIMATELY WITH THIS DELIVERY METHOD, NOT
11:29:05AM THAT YOU WANT IT, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB, YOU
11:29:09AM KNOW, WE SELECT THESE TEAMS.
11:29:11AM IT'S NOT LOW BID.
11:29:12AM SO NEXT TIME THEY COME IN LINE, THEY MAY NOT GET FUTURE WORK
11:29:19AM IF THEY DON'T MEET THEIR CRITERIA.
11:29:20AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS MR. HART ON THAT SELECTION TEAM?
11:29:24AM >>ERIC WEISS: YES.
11:29:25AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:29:25AM FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIME FOR YOU
11:29:29AM TO COME BACK AND REPORT ON HOW THEY ARE DOING IN REGARD TO
11:29:34AM THAT 20% GOAL?
11:29:37AM >>ERIC WEISS: I COULD PROPOSE THREE MONTHS, BECAUSE THAT'S
11:29:40AM WHEN THE DESIGN GETS FINISHED AND THEY START PUTTING OUT
11:29:42AM THESE PACKAGES.
11:29:43AM THEY AS THE DESIGN --
11:29:45AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: REASONABLE TO YOU --
11:29:47AM >>ERIC WEISS: THREE MONTHS WORKS.
11:29:48AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF MR. CHAIRMAN WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION
11:29:50AM AFTER THE OTHER COMMENTS, I'LL MAKE A --
11:29:52AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:29:53AM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:29:53AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY GOOD FRIEND, YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN, YOU
11:29:57AM KNOW.
11:29:57AM I HAVE FRIENDS THAT SIT ON OTHER BOARDS AND COUNCILS, AND
11:30:02AM THEY DO BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
11:30:05AM THEY HAVE A PERCENTAGE THAT'S LOCKED IN.
11:30:07AM THERE'S NO GOING UNDER.
11:30:09AM THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE.
11:30:10AM AND I THINK WE MAY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT IN THE FUTURE
11:30:13AM BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS GIVING LEEWAY OR -- AND WE DON'T
11:30:17AM MONITOR.
11:30:19AM YOU CAN SAY WE MONITOR BUT WE DON'T MONITOR.
11:30:21AM IT'S JUST THE CONTRACT.
11:30:24AM I THINK GOING FORWARD THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO REALLY LOOK AT
11:30:27AM HOW WE'RE GIVING BUSINESS OUT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY
11:30:30AM REACHING THE GOALS.
11:30:31AM WE HAVE NO WAY OF TRACKING TO MAKE SURE THE GOALS ARE MET.
11:30:35AM AND I'M FINDING THIS OUT EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH A
11:30:38AM CONTRACT.
11:30:39AM MR. DINGFELDER BRINGS IT OUT ALL THE TIME.
11:30:41AM WHAT'S THE GOAL?
11:30:42AM WHAT'S THE GOAL?
11:30:43AM AND WE'RE ALWAYS UNDER THE GOALS.
11:30:44AM WELL, SOMEBODY CAN'T MEET THE GOAL, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE THE
11:30:48AM CONTRACT, THEY CAN'T MEET THE GOAL, PERIOD.
11:30:50AM IF I SAY WE HAVE A PROGRAM, AND THIS IS 22%, IF YOU CAN'T
11:30:57AM MEET THAT GOAL, YOU DON'T NEED TO APPLY FOR THAT CONTRACT.
11:31:00AM MAYBE WE NEED TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE, MAYBE PEOPLE WHO
11:31:03AM ARE LOCAL AND GO OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY CAN MEET THE GOALS.
11:31:06AM I'M TIRED OF HEARING THE SAME THING.
11:31:08AM CAN NEVER MEET THE GOAL OR ALWAYS UNDER.
11:31:11AM I THINK WE NEED TO RESEARCH THIS COUNCIL NEED TO START
11:31:14AM LOOKING AT THAT AND START PUTTING PARAMETERS AROUND THESE
11:31:16AM CONTRACTS AND SAYING, THIS IS THE CITY'S GOAL, PERIOD.
11:31:20AM IF YOU CAN'T MEET THAT GOAL, YOU DON'T GET THAT CONTRACT IN
11:31:22AM THE PROCESS.
11:31:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
11:31:26AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:31:30AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU.
11:31:32AM I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON THE PROGRESS OF
11:31:36AM THE MBE FOR THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT AT GARNEY, $13 MILLION,
11:31:41AM ON DECEMBER 5TH, IF THAT'S REASONABLE TO YOU, ERIC.
11:31:45AM >>ERIC WEISS: ABSOLUTELY.
11:31:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:31:49AM >> STAFF REPORT.
11:31:49AM >>LUIS VIERA: A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:31:51AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:31:52AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:31:54AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:31:55AM I MOVE ITEM 62.
11:31:56AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:31:58AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:31:59AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:32:00AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:32:01AM OKAY.
11:32:02AM NO FURTHER STAFF.
11:32:04AM OKAY.
11:32:13AM WE MOVE TO 50.
11:32:14AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN?
11:32:17AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:32:19AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:32:20AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:32:21AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:32:22AM WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
11:32:25AM IF ANYONE IS HERE TO SPEAK TODAY IN ANY QUASI-JUDICIAL
11:32:30AM MANNER.
11:32:31AM IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SO, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN
11:32:35AM IN.
11:32:35AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, AS A POINT OF ORDER, YOU
11:32:37AM ASKED IF ANY OTHER STAFF WAS HERE ON OTHER ITEMS.
11:32:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: IS THERE?
11:32:41AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH.
11:32:42AM I SEE --
11:32:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
11:32:48AM >> ERIC COTTON.
11:32:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HERE FOR A HEARING?
11:32:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MIGHT BE WRONG.
11:32:53AM I DIDN'T KNOW IF ERIC WAS HERE IN LIEU OF DENNIS OR ANYTHING
11:32:57AM LIKE THAT.
11:32:58AM NEVER MIND.
11:33:00AM IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE STAFF IS HERE.
11:33:03AM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
11:33:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HEARD YOU REFERENCE ITEM 50.
11:33:13AM DID YOU WANT TO OPEN UP ALL THE 9:30 AND 10:30 PUBLIC
11:33:16AM HEARINGS?
11:33:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:33:17AM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:33:20AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:33:22AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:33:23AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:33:24AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: GOOD MORNING.
11:33:26AM ALTHOUGH SHONN DOCK, PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
11:33:28AM COORDINATION.
11:33:29AM COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 50 IS SECOND READING.
11:33:31AM THIS IS REZ 19-54.
11:33:34AM THIS REQUEST WAS FROM RM 16 TO PD.
11:33:38AM THERE WERE SITE PLAN REVISIONS REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND
11:33:40AM SECOND READING.
11:33:41AM THOSE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
11:33:42AM THAT PLAN HAS BEEN CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
11:33:44AM I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:33:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:33:49AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:33:54AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: STEVE MICHELINI.
11:33:56AM I WAS REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER ON THIS.
11:33:58AM BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:34:01AM WE MADE THE REVISIONS AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR
11:34:04AM APPROVAL.
11:34:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:34:05AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:34:05AM THANK YOU, SIR.
11:34:06AM IF ANYONE IS HERE IN THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 50,
11:34:09AM PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
11:34:11AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:34:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
11:34:13AM DINGFELDER.
11:34:14AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:34:15AM ALL IN FAVOR.
11:34:17AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:34:18AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, CAN, SIR, READ ITEM 50?
11:34:23AM >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:34:23AM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY FOR SECOND READING AND
11:34:27AM ADOPTION IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 405 SOUTH WESTLAND
11:34:30AM AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE PARTICULARLY
11:34:35AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
11:34:38AM RM-16, RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-FAMILY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:34:41AM DATE, AND INCLUDING THE REVISIONS DESCRIBED SUCCESSFULLY BY
11:34:46AM STAFF A FEW MINUTES AGO.
11:34:50AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION.
11:34:51AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:34:52AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:34:54AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:34:55AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:35:03AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSENT.
11:35:06AM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:35:08AM >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:35:08AM >>LUIS VIERA: 51.
11:35:10AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: COUNCIL, LaCHONE DOCK, PLANNING, DESIGN
11:35:12AM AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:35:13AM COUNCIL, ITEM 51 IS ANOTHER SECOND READING THAT IS BEFORE
11:35:16AM YOU THIS MORNING.
11:35:17AM IT IS REZ 19-55.
11:35:19AM THE REQUEST IS FROM RS-50 TO RM-18.
11:35:23AM I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:35:25AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:35:26AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:35:28AM ANYONE HERE FOR ITEM 51?
11:35:37AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE JUST PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:35:39AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM 51,
11:35:42AM PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
11:35:43AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:35:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:35:46AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:35:47AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:35:48AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:35:49AM COUNCILMAN GUDES, CAN YOU TAKE ITEM 51?
11:35:51AM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
11:35:55AM READING AND ADOPTION, REZ 19-55, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
11:36:00AM PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4210 AND 4212 WEST
11:36:04AM CARMEN STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND MORE
11:36:07AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:36:10AM CLASSIFICATION RS-50 (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY) TO RM-18
11:36:14AM (RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY) PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:36:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:36:18AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:36:19AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:36:26AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH -- [INAUDIBLE] --
11:36:28AM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:36:30AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, 52.
11:36:32AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaCHONE DOCK, PLANNING, DESIGN AND
11:36:34AM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:36:35AM ITEM 52 IS REZ 19-57.
11:36:38AM THIS REQUEST IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING.
11:36:42AM THIS REQUEST IS FROM RS 50 TO PD.
11:36:45AM SITE PLAN REVISIONS WERE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
11:36:48AM READING.
11:36:48AM THOSE REVISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
11:36:50AM PLAN CERTIFIED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND HAVE BEEN
11:36:53AM PROVIDED TO THE CLERK.
11:36:53AM I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:36:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:36:56AM DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM 52?
11:36:59AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:37:01AM IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR 52?
11:37:06AM >> SCOTT HAAS.
11:37:09AM I'M THE APPLICANT.
11:37:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HAAS?
11:37:13AM THANK YOU, SIR.
11:37:13AM ANYBODY HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 52, IF SO,
11:37:17AM PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:37:18AM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:37:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
11:37:20AM MIRANDA.
11:37:21AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:37:22AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:37:23AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:37:24AM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, CAN YOU, SIR, TAKE 52.
11:37:27AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:37:29AM SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY
11:37:32AM IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2911 NORTH BOULEVARD IN THE CITY
11:37:35AM OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
11:37:38AM 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50 (RESIDENTIAL,
11:37:41AM SINGLE-FAMILY) TO PD (PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE,
11:37:44AM BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL) PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:37:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:37:49AM A SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:37:51AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:37:57AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
11:38:01AM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:38:02AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:38:03AM NEXT MOVE TO ITEM 53.
11:38:04AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: THIS IS REZ 19-58.
11:38:09AM THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING FOR SECOND READING.
11:38:13AM THE REQUEST IS FROM RM-16 TO RS-50.
11:38:16AM I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:38:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS ON 53?
11:38:19AM THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:38:20AM IS ANYONE HERE FOR ITEM 53, APPLICANT?
11:38:26AM >> MY NAME IS BOB SAMPIER, HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
11:38:32AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
11:38:34AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:38:36AM ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM 53?
11:38:39AM THERE BEING NONE, WE MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:38:41AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:38:42AM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:38:44AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:38:45AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:38:45AM COUNCILMAN CITRO, CAN YOU TAKE 53?
11:38:48AM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:38:50AM I MOVE AN ORDINANCE FILE NUMBER REZ 19-58, ORDINANCE BEING
11:38:55AM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
11:38:58AM REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3302 AND 3304
11:39:02AM WEST SAN JUAN STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
11:39:05AM PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:39:08AM CLASSIFICATION RM-16 (RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY) TO RS-50
11:39:13AM (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY) PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:39:16AM THE PETITIONER HAS MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF AND IT DOES MEET
11:39:19AM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
11:39:23AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:39:25AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:39:26AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:39:35AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT AT
11:39:38AM VOTE.
11:39:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:39:40AM WE MOVE TO ITEM 54.
11:39:41AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaCHONE DOCK, PLANNING DESIGN AND
11:39:44AM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:39:45AM ITEM 54 IS REZ 19-60.
11:39:48AM THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4450 WEST OHIO AVENUE.
11:39:51AM THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
11:39:53AM THE REQUEST IS FROM RM-16 TO CN.
11:39:57AM AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:39:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:39:59AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:40:00AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:40:03AM IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR 54?
11:40:04AM GO AHEAD.
11:40:13AM >> MY NAME IS [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
11:40:14AM I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
11:40:16AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:40:17AM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
11:40:19AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:40:22AM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK OR COMMENT ON ITEM
11:40:25AM 54?
11:40:25AM IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:40:27AM WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:40:30AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:40:32AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:40:32AM ANY OPPOSED.
11:40:33AM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU COULD TAKE 54.
11:40:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE FILE REZ 19-60, AN ORDINANCE BEING
11:40:42AM PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
11:40:44AM REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 4450 WEST OHIO
11:40:47AM AVENUE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY
11:40:50AM DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
11:40:52AM RM-16 (RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY) TO CN (COMMERCIAL
11:40:55AM NEIGHBORHOOD); PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:40:58AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:40:59AM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:41:01AM PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
11:41:09AM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON BEING ABSENT.
11:41:12AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:41:13AM ITEM 55.
11:41:14AM THANK YOU, SIR.
11:41:20AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
11:41:21AM COORDINATION.
11:41:22AM ITEM 55 IS A REQUEST TO VACATE AN ALLEY AT 1609 NORTH
11:41:27AM FLORIDA.
11:41:28AM STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION WITH THIS GOING FORWARD.
11:41:30AM THIS IS PAIRED WITH THE REZONING.
11:41:32AM THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY
11:41:35AM ARE AMENDING THEIR SITE PLAN, AND SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE
11:41:39AM PULLING THAT ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT?
11:41:42AM BUT I TALKED TO STAFF AND THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE
11:41:44AM VACATING GOING FORWARD.
11:41:47AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM 55?
11:41:52AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER.
11:41:56AM CHANGING THE SITE PLAN, WHICH ONE SHOULD WE HEAR FIRST?
11:41:59AM DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT, ONE ON THE OTHER?
11:42:04AM >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:42:06AM I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU.
11:42:08AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHICH ONE SHOULD WE HEAR OR ARE WE
11:42:11AM HEARING THEM BOTH OR WHAT?
11:42:14AM >>KRISTIN MORA: IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO HEAR ITEM
11:42:17AM 55, THE VACATING.
11:42:18AM THAT IS AN INDEPENDENT APPLICATION, ALTHOUGH RELATED.
11:42:20AM IT IS AN INDEPENDENT APPLICATION, AND THEY CAN STILL COME
11:42:24AM BACK WITH 56.
11:42:25AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO VOTE ON 55, WHICH
11:42:28AM IS SORT OF INTEGRALLY TIED TO 56.
11:42:32AM MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM --
11:42:34AM >>KRISTIN MORA: I WAS JUST -- I WOULD SUGGEST HEARING FROM
11:42:38AM THE APPLICANT.
11:42:38AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:42:39AM ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
11:42:40AM APPLICANT.
11:42:41AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:42:43AM TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE HERE ON BEHALF OF
11:42:46AM SALVATION ARMY, THE APPLICANT.
11:42:48AM WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION.
11:42:51AM IT IS INTEGRAL TO THE SITE PLAN, BUT WE NEED TO GET THAT
11:42:54AM FIRST.
11:42:54AM IN A NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BEFORE WE CAN -- THAT NEEDS TO BE
11:42:57AM APPROVED BEFORE WE CAN APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.
11:42:58AM LET ME TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BEING CHANGED.
11:43:01AM AS YOU RECALL THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF
11:43:03AM CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOT OF VALID CONCERN ABOUT
11:43:05AM THE CATEGORY OF PROFESSIONAL RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY
11:43:08AM POSSIBLY PERMITTING USES THAT SALVATION ARMY HAS NO
11:43:11AM INTENTION OF DOING, BUT NONETHELESS, YOU AND PARTICULARLY
11:43:17AM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD
11:43:19AM PROHIBIT CERTAIN USES BUT WE CAN'T REALLY GET OUT OF THE
11:43:22AM VERNACULAR, THE VOCABULARY ALREADY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
11:43:25AM CODE.
11:43:26AM AFTER WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, THANK THEM FOR THE
11:43:28AM WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE SALVATION ARMY IT LOOKS LIKE
11:43:30AM WE'LL BE ABLE TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN, NOT CHANGING ANY
11:43:32AM PHYSICAL FOOTPRINT AT ALL, BUT REPLACING THOSE WORDS,
11:43:35AM PROFESSIONAL RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY WITH EMERGENCY
11:43:37AM -- I BELIEVE EMERGENCY HOMELESS SHELTER WHICH REALLY MORE
11:43:40AM ACCURATELY DESCRIBES EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
11:43:42AM AND BY NARROWING DOWN THAT DEFINITION, I THINK WE'LL
11:43:44AM HOPEFULLY ALLAY SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS ABOUT
11:43:47AM THIS TURNING INTO A DRUG AND ALCOHOL REHAB FACILITY.
11:43:50AM SO THAT'S THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE.
11:43:51AM BUT BECAUSE WE NOTICED IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A
11:43:53AM PROFESSIONAL RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITY, WE'LL HAVE TO
11:43:56AM RENOTICE IT.
11:43:57AM SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE PULLING 56 FROM THE AGENDA TODAY.
11:44:01AM BUT WHILE WE'RE HERE, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE
11:44:03AM RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION DONE.
11:44:05AM THERE'S NO NEED TO WAIT ON THAT.
11:44:08AM NOTHING WE ARE CHANGING AFFECTS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION.
11:44:10AM IT'S ONE LESS THING TO HANDLE WHEN WE'RE BACK TO CONFIRM THE
11:44:14AM SITE PLAN.
11:44:14AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
11:44:17AM >>LUIS VIERA: QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL?
11:44:22AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK SINCE -- AND DON'T GET ME WRONG.
11:44:26AM I APPRECIATE THE CHANGE.
11:44:27AM I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, AND ONE THAT MIGHT
11:44:30AM PERSUADE ME TO VOTE FOR YOUR CLIENT THIS NEXT TIME.
11:44:34AM BUT THAT I THINK -- BUT I THINK THEY KIND OF GOT BUNDLED
11:44:41AM TOGETHER THE LAST TIME.
11:44:42AM THEY PROBABLY GAVE UP THIS TIME BECAUSE IT WAS A 6-1 VOTE.
11:44:46AM I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO JUST LEAVE THEM BUNDLED.
11:44:50AM AS YOU SAY, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.
11:44:52AM YOU'RE NOT STARTING CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING ELSE.
11:44:56AM I JUST THINK PROCEDURALLY IT MIGHT BE NICE TO HAVE THEM
11:45:01AM FLOAT TOGETHER.
11:45:02AM I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULDN'T.
11:45:05AM >> I WOULD DEFER TO BARBARA ON THIS.
11:45:07AM BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THEY ARE BUNDLED THAT ONE PROCEEDS
11:45:13AM THE OTHER.
11:45:14AM BECAUSE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION WAS PASSED THE LAST TIME.
11:45:17AM THERE'S NO REASON WHY THAT SHOULDN'T BE -- FOR SECOND
11:45:21AM READING.
11:45:25AM WHAT IT HAPPENS TO TRAVEL WITH THE TRAJECTORY OF THAT BEING
11:45:29AM AFFECTED, WE DON'T THINK HAS ANTECEDENT EFFECT BACK ON THE
11:45:33AM RIGHT-OF-WAY ISSUE.
11:45:34AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO LEGAL STAFF AND THE PLANNING STAFF AND
11:45:37AM TO THE COUNCIL, FROM A MATTER OF PRECEDENT, WE JUST USUALLY
11:45:43AM LEAVE THESE THINGS BUNDLED TOGETHER.
11:45:48AM AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY WERE PRESENTED.
11:45:52AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: YEARS AGO COUNCIL WANTED ZONING AND
11:45:57AM VACATINGS WHEN THEY WERE ON THE SAME PROPERTY, THEY WANTED
11:46:00AM THEM TO RUN TOGETHER.
11:46:01AM SO THAT'S WHY WE TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME TO VACATE AND
11:46:05AM REZONE THAT THESE -- BUT I THINK IF THE SITE PLAN IS ONLY
11:46:10AM BEING AMENDED AND NOT REALLY CHANGING THAT MUCH FROM WHAT
11:46:13AM WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT
11:46:16AM IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION.
11:46:18AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FROM A PRECEDENT PERSPECTIVE, WE USUALLY
11:46:20AM LEAVE THINGS BUNDLED TOGETHER.
11:46:24AM >>BARBARA LYNCH: WE TYPICALLY DON'T GET TOO MANY
11:46:27AM CONTINUATIONS LIKE THIS.
11:46:28AM YEAH, IT COULD RUN TOGETHER.
11:46:29AM I DON'T THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LONG RUN, BUT
11:46:32AM IT'S YOUR CHOICE.
11:46:32AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, COUNSEL, SOMETIMES IN YOUR
11:46:35AM ANALYSIS OF PUBLIC PURPOSE BEHIND VACATING, LOOK AT WHAT IS
11:46:41AM BEING PROPOSED.
11:46:41AM IF THIS IS A PRECEDENT, NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE, BUT ONCE
11:46:45AM YOU GRANT THE VACATION, THEN THAT IS A PROPERTY RIGHT THAT
11:46:50AM ATTACHES AS A MATTER OF LAW.
11:46:51AM IF PROJECT OR SOMETHING SHOULD CHANGE BETWEEN THEN AND
11:46:54AM COMING BACK, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE NO DISCRETION AND RECOURSE
11:46:57AM AT THAT TIME.
11:46:57AM THAT'S PROBABLY THE RATIONALE BEHIND HAVING THE TWO LINKED
11:47:02AM TOGETHER.
11:47:03AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
11:47:06AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, PROCEDURAL, I'D RATHER SEE THEM
11:47:09AM LINKED TOGETHER.
11:47:10AM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:47:11AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
11:47:13AM I'D LIKE TO ASK THE PETITIONER, WHAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU
11:47:15AM SAY THAT YOU SHOULD NOT.
11:47:17AM I THINK WHEN WE HEARD THE LAST TIME, THIS IS THE ONE ON
11:47:20AM HENDERSON AND FLORIDA AVENUE, TWO BUILDINGS ACROSS THE
11:47:22AM STREET THAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT AND HAVE LESS
11:47:25AM BEDS THAN THE ONE YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE NOW, IF I REMEMBER.
11:47:29AM >> THAT'S RIGHT.
11:47:29AM WHEN YOU COMBINE THE ENTITLEMENTS OF THE RED SHIELD LODGE ON
11:47:33AM THE WEST SIDE OF FLORIDA WITH THE BUILDING WE'RE TALKING
11:47:35AM ABOUT HERE, EAST SIDE OF FLORIDA, THE AGGREGATE BED COUNT
11:47:39AM THERE I WANT TO SAY IS AROUND 190.
11:47:41AM WE'RE ASKING FOR I BELIEVE 175 TOTAL.
11:47:44AM IT IS A NET REDUCTION IN AVAILABLE BEDS.
11:47:46AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE AMENITIES OF THE
11:47:49AM APPLICATION TO THE OUTSIDE IS GOING TO BE MUCH NICER LOOKING
11:47:52AM THAN IT IS NOW.
11:47:53AM >> YES, COUNCILOR.
11:47:55AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I IMAGINE THOSE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE
11:47:57AM STREET PUT UP FOR SALE WILL BE NICER THAN THEY ARE NOW.
11:47:59AM THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU NOW IS, WHAT'S THE HOLDUP THAT
11:48:03AM WOULD IN ANY WAY CONFLICT WITH SOMETHING YOUR CLIENT MAY
11:48:10AM NEED FOR THIS PETITION.
11:48:11AM AS WE HEARD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I THINK THEY WERE ABOUT
11:48:14AM HEARD TOGETHER.
11:48:17AM >> THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THIS PD, THAT'S CORRECT, SIR, THEY
11:48:20AM WERE.
11:48:22AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT'S THE BIG HOLDUP TO YOUR CLIENT IF
11:48:24AM WE HOLD THEM TO FIX THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GET THEM
11:48:27AM ANYWAY?
11:48:29AM >> THERE'S NO BIG HOLDUP, COUNCILMAN.
11:48:31AM I JUST THINK THE ORDINARY PROCEDURE --
11:48:33AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN OTHER WORDS, A BUNT IS JUST AS GOOD AS
11:48:36AM A SINGLE.
11:48:36AM YOU GET TO FIRST BASE.
11:48:37AM >> I AGREE WITH THAT.
11:48:38AM WE'RE UP AT BAT.
11:48:40AM WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO BACK IN THE DUGOUT.
11:48:44AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU MAY NOT GET THE BATTING AVERAGE BUT
11:48:47AM BASE PERCENTAGE IS THE SAME.
11:48:49AM >> I'M NOT GOING TO GO ON A METAPHOR DUEL.
11:48:54AM THIS IS NOTICED FOR SECOND READING.
11:48:56AM IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HANDLE IT NOW.
11:48:58AM WE CERTAINLY RESPECT THE DECISION.
11:49:00AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
11:49:02AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIR, I'LL MOVE TO CONTINUE BOTH
11:49:06AM ITEMS.
11:49:06AM WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE DATE FOR THAT RENOTICED ITEM?
11:49:13AM >>LaCHONE DOCK: LaCHONE DOCK, PLANNING DESIGN AND
11:49:15AM DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:49:16AM ITEM 56, THE REZONING, THAT ITEM HAS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE
11:49:21AM AGENDA.
11:49:22AM SO ITEM 55 WAS JUST THE VACATING CAN BE CONTINUED.
11:49:28AM ITEM 56 HAS TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE THE USE IS CHANGING AND
11:49:31AM HAS TO BE REREVIEWED AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD RENOTICE
11:49:34AM BASED ON THE NEW USE.
11:49:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BASED UPON THAT AND THE RENOTICING, WHAT
11:49:38AM IS A REASONABLE DATE, THAT THE RENOTICED ITEM WOULD COME
11:49:44AM BACK?
11:49:45AM DECEMBER OR SOMETHING.
11:49:46AM >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:49:48AM I DON'T THINK WE KNOW YET WHERE THEY ARE AT IN THE PROCESS.
11:49:50AM THEY ARE MAKING SOME ADMINISTRATIVE DETERMINATIONS ABOUT
11:49:53AM PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING.
11:49:54AM THE NEW HOMELESS SHELTER OR EMERGENCY SHELTER USE THAT THEY
11:49:58AM ARE UTILIZING UNDER OUR CODE IS NOT AS WELL DEFINED AS SOME
11:50:02AM OF OUR OTHER USES.
11:50:03AM THERE ARE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
11:50:05AM I DON'T THINK WE KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO BE BACK
11:50:07AM BEFORE YOU YET.
11:50:08AM I WOULD POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD THAT THE STANDARDS FOR
11:50:11AM CONSIDERING VACATINGS DON'T INCLUDE WHAT COULD BE HAPPENING
11:50:16AM IN A RELATED REZONING.
11:50:18AM I HAVE THEM UP HERE ON THE OVERHEAD.
11:50:22AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PETITIONER ALREADY SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE A
11:50:24AM PROBLEM IF THAT WAS COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
11:50:26AM THAT WAS A CONCESSION I THOUGHT I HEARD.
11:50:28AM IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A DATE, WITH ALL
11:50:35AM DUE RESPECT.
11:50:36AM >> YES, IN DECEMBER.
11:50:37AM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON ASCERTAINING
11:50:41AM THE DATE THAT WE'RE BACK FOR THE PD.
11:50:43AM WHEN I SAY THAT, WE RESPECT YOUR DECISION.
11:50:45AM THAT'S WHAT WE SAY BECAUSE YOU'RE IN CHARGE.
11:50:48AM YOU ARE THE DECIDERS IN THIS CASE.
11:50:50AM BUT THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO -- TO NOT HEAR THE
11:50:54AM RIGHT-OF-WAY VACATION.
11:50:55AM THE NEIGHBORS HERE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PLANNED
11:50:57AM DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE
11:50:59AM COUNCIL TO REGISTER NEW CONCERNS, OLD CONCERNS ABOUT THE
11:51:01AM DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
11:51:02AM THIS IS A PROCEDURAL, ANTECEDENT TO ALL THAT HAPPENING.
11:51:05AM VACATING THE ALLEY.
11:51:06AM NO OBJECTION FROM STAFF.
11:51:08AM WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASONABLE OBJECTION TO DELAY
11:51:11AM THAT.
11:51:11AM BECAUSE THE WHOLE BALL GAME HERE IS THE PLAN FOR THE NEW
11:51:14AM BUILDING.
11:51:15AM THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK HERE.
11:51:16AM IT'S GOING TO GET RENOTICED.
11:51:17AM IT'S GOING TO COME NOT JUST FOR ONE MORE READING.
11:51:20AM IT WILL COME FOR TWO MORE READINGS IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL.
11:51:22AM THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS WRAPPED
11:51:25AM UP HERE.
11:51:25AM OF COURSE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABIDE BY WHATEVER COUNCIL
11:51:28AM DECIDES.
11:51:30AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO JOKE.
11:51:31AM I MEAN, LISTEN.
11:51:33AM NO JOKE.
11:51:34AM OF COURSE, YOU'RE GOING TO ABIDE.
11:51:35AM THIS BODY OR ANY OTHER BODY.
11:51:36AM >> NO CHOICE, COUNCIL.
11:51:38AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME, NOT MINE.
11:51:41AM YOUR TIME.
11:51:41AM I'M GETTING PAID FOR THIS.
11:51:43AM I GUESS YOU ARE, TOO.
11:51:44AM LET ME EXPLAIN THIS, AND YOU SAID IT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT.
11:51:49AM THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT PROCEDURALLY.
11:51:55AM JUST TAKE THIS CASE ASIDE, AND WE SAY THIS CASE IS A
11:51:58AM STANDARD FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES LIKE THIS THEN WE'RE
11:52:01AM GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE CLOSING OF AN ALLEY.
11:52:03AM AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE MAY MAKE A MISTAKE.
11:52:07AM WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
11:52:08AM WE DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY.
11:52:10AM THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID FROM THIS SIDE OF
11:52:14AM THE DAIS AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR SIDE.
11:52:16AM YOU CAN'T HOLD YOUR CASE ON WHAT PROCEDURALLY MAY HAPPEN TO
11:52:19AM US.
11:52:19AM AND THAT'S WHY I'M AGREEING WITH MR. DINGFELDER.
11:52:22AM >> UNDERSTAND.
11:52:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
11:52:24AM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
11:52:25AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MY MOTION, UNLESS LEGAL IS TELLING US
11:52:32AM SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE VACATING PETITION
11:52:37AM TO DECEMBER HEARING DATE BASED UPON THE REASONS THAT HAVE
11:52:42AM BEEN STATED, IF I CAN GET A DATE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
11:52:46AM AND TO REMOVE THE OTHER ITEM FROM THE AGENDA, WHICH WILL BE
11:52:52AM RENOTICED AND REFILED.
11:52:55AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'LL WAIT ON THE DATE.
11:52:56AM ARE WE GETTING A DATE?
11:52:59AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A DECEMBER DATE.
11:53:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:53:03AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MID DECEMBER.
11:53:04AM GIVE ME A SPECIFIC ONE, ANYBODY?
11:53:08AM >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
11:53:10AM THE DIFFICULTY IS THIS WOULD BE A SECOND READING, AND WE
11:53:12AM DON'T KNOW YET WHAT THE SECOND READING WOULD BE.
11:53:15AM WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FIRST READING WOULD
11:53:17AM BE, BUT LITTLE MORE EXTRAPOLATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
11:53:19AM SECOND READING WILL BE.
11:53:20AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF IT'S CONTINUED AND NOT READY FOR IT,
11:53:24AM WE CAN CONTINUE IT AGAIN.
11:53:25AM DECEMBER 19.
11:53:27AM >>KRISTIN MORA: DECEMBER 19th WOULD BE THE REGULAR SESSION
11:53:29AM OF COUNCIL.
11:53:30AM DECEMBER 12th WOULD BE THE EVENING SESSION OF COUNCIL WHEN
11:53:33AM YOU WOULD, IN THEORY, HEAR THE REZONING ON FIRST READING.
11:53:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DECEMBER 19 --
11:53:39AM >>KRISTIN MORA: DECEMBER 12th MEETING.
11:53:40AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DECEMBER 12.
11:53:44AM >>LUIS VIERA: TO THE APPLICANT IS THAT DATE FORESEEABLY
11:53:47AM AMENABLE TO YOU?
11:53:49AM >> SURE.
11:53:49AM AND IF NEEDED WE CAN CONTINUE IT THEN.
11:53:51AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:53:54AM A SECOND I BELIEVE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:53:57AM ANY IN FAVOR?
11:53:59AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:53:59AM WE MOVE NEXT TO ITEM 57.
11:54:12AM WE ARE INCHING ON NOON.
11:54:15AM I KNOW WE ALWAYS LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK, ESPECIALLY FOR THE
11:54:18AM STAFF TO EAT.
11:54:19AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR, LET'S SAY, IS EVERYONE AMENABLE TO
11:54:24AM LET'S SAY ABOUT 12:15?
11:54:26AM EVERYONE AMENABLE TO THAT?
11:54:27AM STAFF, EVERYBODY FINE?
11:54:29AM OKAY.
11:54:31AM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:54:33AM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:54:34AM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:54:36AM ALL IN FAVOR?
11:54:37AM ANY OPPOSED?
11:54:37AM 25 MORE MINUTES.
11:54:40AM WE ARE ON TO ITEM 57.
11:54:50AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FORGIVE ME, REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION, DID
11:54:54AM COUNCIL REMOVE ITEM 56?
11:54:56AM IT WAS DONE.
11:54:57AM THANK YOU.
11:54:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:55:01AM >>JULIE HARDY: JULIE HARDY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AS A QUICK
11:55:04AM REFRESHER, IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, YOU APPROVED THE USE OF
11:55:08AM THE UNIFORM METHOD OF COLLECTING NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT
11:55:14AM FOR -- STREETLIGHTS AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS DISTRICT TO
11:55:18AM BE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT DISTRICT.
11:55:20AM TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING IS TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE SPECIAL
11:55:23AM ASSESSMENT ROLL, SEND TO THE TAX COLLECTOR, AND GET ON THE
11:55:28AM TAX BILL FOR 2019.
11:55:31AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:55:32AM ANY QUESTIONS?
11:55:36AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH STAFF
11:55:38AM ON THESE.
11:55:39AM ARE THERE ANY EXISTING RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT
11:55:48AM WOULD BE IMPACTED AND ADDED ON TO THIS SPECIAL ASSESSMENT?
11:55:51AM OR IS THIS JUST SPECIFIC TO A PARTICULAR BUILDER WHO PERHAPS
11:55:55AM IS STANDING NEXT TO RIGHT THIS SECOND?
11:55:57AM >>JULIE HARDY: THIS IS AN EXISTING PLAT.
11:55:59AM THERE ARE EXISTING PROPERTIES.
11:56:00AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES HE DOESN'T
11:56:02AM OWN?
11:56:05AM >>JULIE HARDY: YES, I BELIEVE SO.
11:56:06AM >> CORRECT.
11:56:08AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:56:09AM HOW MANY PROPERTIES AND HOW HAVE THOSE FOLKS, HAVE THEY BEEN
11:56:14AM SPECIFICALLY NOTICED IN ADVANCE AS TO THIS ISSUE?
11:56:18AM DO THEY GET NOTICE IN ADVANCE?
11:56:20AM >>JULIE HARDY: THEY DO.
11:56:21AM THEY GET STATUTORY NOTICE BY MAIL 30 DAYS BEFORE THE HEARING
11:56:26AM AND ALSO THE AS SOON AS THE PUBLISHED.
11:56:29AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THEIR TAX
11:56:33AM ROLL?
11:56:34AM >>JULIE HARDY: FOR 2019, BECAUSE THERE'S A LAG BETWEEN THE
11:56:40AM ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE STREETLIGHTS AND WHEN THE
11:56:43AM APPLICATION WAS PROCESSED, AND TECO WAS A LITTLE BIT BEHIND
11:56:49AM IN THEIR INSTALLATION OF STREETLIGHTS.
11:56:53AM THERE IS A LAG.
11:56:54AM 2019, THE ASSESSMENT IS LOWER THAN IT WILL BE IN 2020 --
11:56:59AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE.
11:57:01AM LET'S SAY I HAVE A 50-FOOT LOT, LITTLE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE
11:57:05AM THAT HAPPENS TO BE ADJACENT TO THIS AND GOING TO BE INCLUDED
11:57:08AM IN THIS, HOW MUCH WILL MY PROPERTY TAX GO UP?
11:57:12AM I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN EXACT AMOUNT.
11:57:15AM I JUST WANT A BALLPARK.
11:57:21AM >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S $7.30 PER LOT.
11:57:24AM FOR 2019.
11:57:28AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOREVER, PRETTY MUCH.
11:57:29AM WELL, DOES THIS COME UP EVERY YEAR?
11:57:31AM >>JULIE HARDY: NO, THIS DOESN'T COME UP EVERY HERE.
11:57:34AM IT'S JUST HEARD ONCE, AND THE ASSESSMENT IS GOOD FOR 20
11:57:38AM YEARS, BUT IF IT INCREASES, IT WOULD COME BACK.
11:57:41AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ASSESSMENT IS ON THERE EVERY YEAR AT
11:57:43AM SEVEN DOLLARS OR MORE.
11:57:45AM >>JULIE HARDY: JUST 2019.
11:57:48AM AND STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR 2020, THE ASSESSMENT WOULD BE
11:57:53AM $128 -- $175.
11:57:57AM SORRY, $128 --
11:58:01AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEVEN DOLLARS TO 128?
11:58:03AM >>JULIE HARDY: THE 2019 FIGURES ARE BASED ON JUST
11:58:06AM ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS TO SET UP THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT
11:58:08AM BECAUSE OF THE LAG IN TIME BETWEEN WHEN THE APPLICATION CAME
11:58:12AM IN, WHICH WAS LAST YEAR, AND THE DELAY THAT TECO HAS RIGHT
11:58:19AM NOW IN INSTALLING THE STREETLIGHTS.
11:58:22AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APOLOGIZE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:58:23AM I'VE NEVER REALLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIAL
11:58:26AM ASSESSMENTS.
11:58:26AM SO, AGAIN, I'M THIS 50-FOOT PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO, I
11:58:31AM ASSUME, A NEW DEVELOPMENT, IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON?
11:58:34AM >> CORRECT.
11:58:34AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU WANT TO PUT IN STREETLIGHTS
11:58:37AM ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
11:58:38AM >> CORRECT.
11:58:39AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT NOW I'M THERE, AND THERE'S A NEW
11:58:43AM STREETLIGHT OUT THERE, BUT I'M GOING TO BE PAYING
11:58:45AM POTENTIALLY $128 ANNUALLY FOR THAT STREETLIGHT THAT I DIDN'T
11:58:50AM NECESSARILY ASK FOR.
11:58:52AM >> SO THE STREETLIGHTS ARE ALREADY THERE, WHICH IS MY
11:58:54AM UNDERSTANDING.
11:58:55AM AND THE ASSESSMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE
11:59:00AM HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION BUDGET FOR THIS PROPERTY.
11:59:03AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION BUDGET.
11:59:07AM >> THIS IS A TOWN HOUSE DEVELOPMENT.
11:59:09AM AND EACH TOWNHOME OWNER, MY UNDERSTANDING, WILL PAY THEIR
11:59:13AM PORTION OF THE ASSESSMENT, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED
11:59:16AM FOR IN THE BUDGET WHICH WAS PROVIDED TO THEM PRIOR TO
11:59:19AM PURCHASING THEIR HOME.
11:59:20AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IS NOT NECESSARILY
11:59:23AM OUT IN THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE OF OLD HOMES AND THAT SORT OF
11:59:28AM THING.
11:59:28AM THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TO ONE TOWNHOME PROJECT.
11:59:32AM >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
11:59:36AM >>JULIE HARDY: I BELIEVE SO.
11:59:38AM I WAS HOPING STAFF WOULD BE HERE TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF
11:59:44AM QUESTIONS, BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM SPEAKING TO
11:59:46AM STAFF PREVIOUSLY, THAT THIS IS ONE TOWNHOME PROJECT.
11:59:54AM SORT OF AN INFILL --
11:59:56AM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS WE HAVE A FEW OF THESE ON THE
11:59:59AM NEXT COUPLE.
12:00:03PM >> -- 23 TOWNHOMES.
12:00:06PM IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO THIS ONE
12:00:08PM PROJECT.
12:00:09PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE?
12:00:10PM >> I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVELOPER.
12:00:13PM MY NAME?
12:00:16PM DAVID MOSKOWITZ.
12:00:21PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BLANK GROUND HERE --
12:00:26PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:00:27PM THERE'S 23 TOWNHOMES BEING DEVELOPED AS WELL AS A PORTION OF
12:00:31PM RETAIL, APPROXIMATELY 6500 SQUARE FEET.
12:00:34PM OUT OF THE 23 TOWNHOMES, 8 OF THEM HAVE CURRENTLY BEEN
12:00:37PM DEVELOPED AND 6 OF THEM HAVE BEEN SOLD.
12:00:42PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHEN THESE FOLKS
12:00:45PM BOUGHT, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THEIR DOCUMENTS?
12:00:48PM >> SO AS PART OF THE BUDGET THAT THEY ARE PROVIDED WHEN
12:00:51PM PURCHASING A HOME, THESE LINE ITEMS ARE AN APPROXIMATION
12:00:59PM WERE INCLUDED.
12:01:01PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
12:01:02PM ANYTHING ELSE?
12:01:11PM ANYONE HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM 57?
12:01:14PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY
12:01:17PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:01:18PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:01:19PM ANY OPPOSED.
12:01:20PM YES, SIR, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE 57.
12:01:25PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:01:27PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:01:29PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:01:30PM ANY OPPOSED.
12:01:30PM WE MOVE TO 58.
12:01:33PM >>JULIE HARDY: JULIE HARDY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:01:35PM THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION AS THE LAST ONE WHERE IN
12:01:39PM DECEMBER, COUNCIL APPROVED THE UNIFORM METHOD OF COLLECTING
12:01:43PM NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENTS FOR FUNDING STREETLIGHTS WITHIN
12:01:47PM THE APPROVED BOUNDARIES OF THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT.
12:01:49PM AND TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING IS TO ADOPT THE SPECIAL
12:01:53PM ASSESSMENT ROLL, AND THE PETITIONER IS HERE FOR ANY
12:01:55PM QUESTIONS.
12:01:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
12:01:58PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:01:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:02:01PM MR. MASSEY, SAME QUESTION, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS A
12:02:07PM WHILE BACK, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY ASK THIS QUESTION.
12:02:14PM ANY EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS?
12:02:17PM >> NO, SIR.
12:02:17PM ALL THE PROPERTIES OWNED BY LENNAR HOMES, AND WE HAVE AN
12:02:20PM AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT MANDATES THAT WE DISCLOSE THAT
12:02:24PM ALL THE LOT CONTRACTS WHEN WE SELL THE LOTS OR HOMES TO
12:02:27PM INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS, WE HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT, PER
12:02:30PM AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT WE MUST DISCLOSE
12:02:32PM THAT THERE IS A STREETLIGHT SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND THE
12:02:35PM AMOUNT OF IT IN THAT CONTRACT SO THE HOMEOWNERS WILL KNOW
12:02:38PM THAT UP FRONT BEFORE THEY PURCHASE THEIR LOTS.
12:02:39PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT, THANK YOU.
12:02:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND MR. MASSEY, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME.
12:02:43PM >> MORRIS MASSEY, HILL WARD HENDERSON, 101 EAST KENNEDY
12:02:45PM BOULEVARD, SUITE 3700, HERE ON BEHALF OF LENNAR HOMES.
12:02:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:02:51PM ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
12:02:52PM ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM 58?
12:02:54PM IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
12:02:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:02:57PM >> SECOND.
12:02:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:03:00PM I BELIEVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:03:04PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
12:03:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THEN WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE HEARING
12:03:07PM BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:03:09PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:03:10PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:03:11PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:03:12PM NEXT WE GO TO 59.
12:03:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT ONE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY?
12:03:18PM THAT LAST ONE?
12:03:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:03:26PM >>JULIE HARDY: JULIE HARDY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:03:27PM THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON A STREETLIGHT SPECIAL
12:03:33PM ASSESSMENT APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ROLL.
12:03:39PM >>LUIS VIERA: GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:03:40PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:03:42PM >> MY NAME IS DAVID SCHMIDT.
12:03:44PM I REPRESENT ST. MARTIN'S, LLC, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
12:03:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY COMMENTS?
12:03:53PM >> OUR PETITION IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE OF LENNAR.
12:03:56PM WE OWN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
12:04:01PM NO ONE OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY IS AFFECTED BY THIS SPECIAL
12:04:03PM ASSESSMENT.
12:04:04PM WE ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT WE WILL
12:04:07PM DISCLOSE OF THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT PRIOR TO SELLING ANY OF
12:04:12PM THE LOTS.
12:04:13PM IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.
12:04:16PM EVERYBODY THAT'S BUYING IN THERE WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
12:04:20PM THEIR REQUIRED TO PAY AS FAR AS THE STREETLIGHTS GO.
12:04:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:04:24PM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
12:04:25PM ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 58?
12:04:30PM -- I'M SORRY, 59.
12:04:32PM IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
12:04:33PM MAY I HAVE SOMEONE MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
12:04:36PM WE HAVE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:04:43PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:04:44PM ANY IN FAVOR?
12:04:46PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:04:48PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:04:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:04:50PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:04:52PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:04:53PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:04:54PM THANK YOU.
12:04:55PM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 60.
12:05:01PM >>BARBARA LYNCH: BARBARA LYNCH, LAND DEVELOPMENT
12:05:03PM COORDINATION.
12:05:04PM VAC 19-19 IS A REQUEST TO VACATE AN ALLEY IN EAST TAMPA.
12:05:09PM IT'S BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE, BUT I'M GOING TO DO A QUICK
12:05:12PM PRESENTATION AGAIN BECAUSE THIS WENT BACK TO FIRST READING
12:05:15PM BECAUSE OF NOTICE.
12:05:16PM HAD TO BE REDONE.
12:05:18PM SO I HAVE A MAP FOR THE OVERHEAD.
12:05:22PM AND THE ALLEY IS SOUTH OF 29th, NORTH OF 28th AND RUNS
12:05:30PM BETWEEN 34th AND 35th STREETS.
12:05:33PM THE OWNER'S PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT IS IN RED AND THE ALLEY
12:05:37PM TO BE VACATED IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
12:05:39PM THIS IS THE ALLEY LOOKING NORTH ON 28th AVENUE.
12:05:46PM THIS IS THE TOP END OF THE T.
12:05:49PM THAT IS THE NORTH-SOUTH ALLEY LOOKING SOUTH ON 29th
12:05:53PM AVENUE.
12:05:53PM AND THIS IS THE EAST-WEST ALLEY LOOKING WEST FROM 35th
12:05:59PM STREET.
12:05:59PM THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
12:06:03PM AND STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST.
12:06:08PM A WASTEWATER EASEMENT IS REQUIRED OVERALL, AND I JUST, FOR
12:06:13PM MR. DINGFELDER, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU OUR UPDATED NOTICE
12:06:17PM PICTURES.
12:06:17PM THE SIGNS WERE PUT IN THE CORRECT PLACE THE SECOND TIME
12:06:20PM AROUND.
12:06:20PM SO THE NOTICE WAS FOUND TO BE ADEQUATE.
12:06:23PM ANY QUESTIONS?
12:06:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
12:06:38PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW IF THE FOLKS ARE GOING TO
12:06:40PM SPEAK, BUT I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY TO THE
12:06:43PM PETITIONERS AND THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO COME DOWN HERE
12:06:48PM TWICE, BUT YOU KNOW WE LIKE TO DOT OUR Is AND CROSS OUR
12:06:51PM Ts SO WE DO THINGS RIGHT.
12:06:53PM AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, BUT HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT.
12:06:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
12:06:59PM OKAY.
12:07:00PM PETITIONERS.
12:07:03PM >> BELINDA HOLLEY, REPRESENT 34 --
12:07:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
12:07:12PM ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER?
12:07:14PM ANY COMMENCE OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL FOR ANYONE?
12:07:18PM BEFORE WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
12:07:21PM IS ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT?
12:07:24PM WE'RE NOT FINISHED.
12:07:28PM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM
12:07:31PM NUMBER 60?
12:07:32PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
12:07:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
12:07:35PM MIRANDA.
12:07:35PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:07:37PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:07:38PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:07:38PM I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WERE IN ORDINANCES.
12:07:41PM WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:07:43PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS ONE?
12:07:46PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE] DISCONTINUING AND ABANDONING A
12:07:56PM CERTAIN PORTION OF ALLEYWAY/RIGHT-OF-WAY LYING SOUTH OF
12:07:59PM 29th AVENUE, NORTH OF 28th AVENUE, EAST OF 34th STREET
12:08:03PM AND WEST OF 35th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH
12:08:05PM COUNTY, FLORIDA, THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN
12:08:08PM SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,
12:08:11PM COVENANTS, CONDITIONS, AND RESTRICTIONS MORE PARTICULARLY
12:08:14PM SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
12:08:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:08:17PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:08:18PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:08:20PM ALL IN FAVOR.
12:08:21PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:08:23PM THANK YOU.
12:08:24PM >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL
12:08:26PM BE HELD ON OCTOBER 3rd, 2019 AT 9:30 A.M.
12:08:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
12:08:32PM NEXT, WE HAVE ITEM 61.
12:08:34PM WE HAVE ABOUT TEN MINUTES UNTIL THE CLOSE OF COUNCIL FOR
12:08:38PM BREAK.
12:08:39PM 64 AND 65.
12:08:49PM LET'S DO THAT AFTER THE BREAK.
12:08:53PM WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS HEARING IS GOING TO BRING, IS
12:09:03PM EVERYONE OKAY PROSPECTIVELY GOING TEN MINUTES PAST WHAT WE
12:09:08PM WERE DESIGNATED?
12:09:09PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:09:11PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:09:12PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:09:13PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:09:14PM WE WILL GO, POSTHASTE.
12:09:17PM >>KRISTIN MORA: KRISTIN MORA, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:09:19PM THIS IS AN APPEAL OF THE DECISION OF THE ZONING
12:09:23PM ADMINISTRATOR.
12:09:23PM IT IS A DE NOVO HEARING UNDER YOUR CODE.
12:09:26PM WE DO HAVE AN INTERPRETER HERE FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
12:09:29PM AND SO I WILL ASK THAT THE INTERPRETER BE SWORN IN AS AN
12:09:34PM OFFICIAL INTERPRETER, AND THEN SHE WILL ASSIST IN THE
12:09:38PM ADMINISTRATION OF THE OATH.
12:09:39PM I WOULD CAUTION COUNCIL MEMBERS, I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU
12:09:41PM SPEAK SPANISH, BUT WE HAVE TO GO OFF OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD
12:09:45PM SO THAT EVERYONE IS CONSIDERING THE SAME THINGS.
12:09:47PM SO PLEASE ONLY CONSIDER THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETATION WHEN YOU
12:09:51PM HEAR THIS ITEM.
12:09:53PM I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
12:09:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:09:58PM ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS?
12:09:59PM GO AHEAD.
12:10:03PM HAS EVERYBODY BEEN SWORN IN?
12:10:11PM IF YOU HAVE NOT, STAND UP IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SO.
12:10:16PM [OATH ADMINISTERED]
12:10:18PM INTERPRETER, DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL
12:10:27PM INTERPRET CORRECTLY AND -- [INAUDIBLE]
12:10:47PM >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
12:10:49PM THIS IS AN APPEAL, PETITION FOR REVIEW FOR DESIGN EXCEPTION
12:10:55PM FOR PROPERTY IN WEST TAMPA.
12:10:56PM IT'S DE1-19-178 FOR PROPERTY ZONED RS-50 AND LOCATED AT 2513
12:11:04PM WEST DEWEY STREET.
12:11:05PM THE APPLICANT IS ADRIAN MORFFI CASTRO REPRESENTED BY MARLENY
12:11:12PM GONZALEZ.
12:11:12PM THE APPLICANT STARTED OFF WITH A CODE CITATION.
12:11:16PM THIS IS BASED ON, IF YOU REMEMBER, BACK IN 2017, THE CITY OF
12:11:20PM TAMPA DID A SWEEP OF WEST TAMPA.
12:11:22PM THIS PROPERTY WAS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES CITED AT THAT POINT.
12:11:24PM ONE OF THE VIOLATIONS WAS FOR SECOND UNIT.
12:11:28PM THAT'S BEEN CLEARED UP BY NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT.
12:11:31PM THAT VIOLATION IS NO LONGER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT'S NO
12:11:34PM LONGER AN ISSUE MOVING FORWARD.
12:11:36PM AT THE SAME TIME, WE CITED THEM -- THE APPLICANT FOR
12:11:39PM DIFFERENT ZONING SETBACK VIOLATIONS.
12:11:43PM WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS ORIGINALLY, THEY
12:11:46PM WERE ASKING FOR TWO THINGS.
12:11:47PM IN ADDITION TO SETBACKS, THEY WERE ASKING FOR A GREENSPACE
12:11:51PM WAIVER.
12:11:51PM AT THE TIME WE HAD THEM GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD
12:11:54PM TO GET SCHEDULED BEFORE THE VRB.
12:11:57PM THEY ELIMINATED THE GREENSPACE WAIVER.
12:11:58PM THEY TORE UP CONCRETE, PUT BACK DOWN GRASS.
12:12:01PM NOW THEY ARE HERE, CONVERTING FROM A VARIANCE TO A DESIGN
12:12:04PM EXCEPTION, WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.
12:12:07PM CAME UP WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, THE ZONING
12:12:09PM ADMINISTRATOR REVIEWED THE RECORD, EVIDENCE AVAILABLE TO US
12:12:11PM AND WE DENIED THE REQUEST.
12:12:13PM TWO REQUESTS THAT WERE DENIED THROUGH THE PROCESS.
12:12:17PM ONE WAS TO SECTION 27-241 E 2 C 2, WHICH REQUIRES A MINIMUM
12:12:23PM SIDE YARD TO BE FIVE FEET ALONG -- THEY WERE ASKING FOR
12:12:29PM REDUCTION FROM FIVE FEET TO TWO FEET.
12:12:31PM WHICH WAS DENIED.
12:12:38PM ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
12:12:40PM HIGHLIGHTED IN RED FOR THIS ADDITION HERE.
12:12:43PM THE SECOND THING THEY WERE ASKING FOR WAS THE REDUCTION IN
12:12:46PM THE BUILDING SEPARATION FROM FIVE FEET TO 3.9 FEET, MEASURED
12:12:54PM EAVE TO EAVE BETWEEN THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND ACCESSORY
12:13:00PM STRUCTURE.
12:13:00PM LET ME SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
12:13:05PM THAT'S THE FRONT VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
12:13:08PM THIS IS THE SIDE VIEW ON THE WEST SIDE.
12:13:10PM AND THIS IS THE EAST SIDE VIEW.
12:13:14PM THEY DID HAVE A SECOND DRIVEWAY HERE.
12:13:16PM THAT'S BEEN REMOVED AND THEY PLANTED BACK THE GRASS.
12:13:18PM THIS IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
12:13:21PM AND ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
12:13:23PM NOW, THE BASIS, WHEN STAFF WAS REVIEWING THE REQUEST, ONE OF
12:13:29PM THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT, THEY WERE CITED -- OKAY.
12:13:35PM THIS IS THE -- THIS IS FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB
12:13:41PM PAGE.
12:13:41PM THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN 2006.
12:13:43PM NOW, THE PROPERTY -- CURRENT OWNERS DID NOT OWN THE PROPERTY
12:13:46PM AT THE TIME.
12:13:47PM THIS IS A LAYOUT.
12:13:48PM THIS WAS SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
12:13:51PM IN 2009 AERIAL, THIS WAS ADDED ON WITHOUT PERMITS.
12:13:55PM IN 2014, STRUCTURE TO STRUCTURE, THIS WAS ADDED ON WITHOUT
12:14:03PM PERMITS.
12:14:04PM AND THEN THIS IS THE LATEST STRUCTURE.
12:14:06PM AND THIS AREA LOOKS LIKE A BACK PORCH WAS ADDED ON WITHOUT
12:14:10PM PERMITS.
12:14:11PM PROMPTING THE NEED FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT WAIVER REQUESTS
12:14:15PM FROM STAFF.
12:14:16PM STAFF DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THEM.
12:14:19PM THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE CODE.
12:14:21PM THE CRITERIA THAT WE REVIEW AGAINST -- IS NOT A REASON TO
12:14:29PM ASK FOR A WAIVER.
12:14:31PM THE APPLICANT WILL TESTIFY -- THE RECORDS WERE CHECK.
12:14:36PM THEY DID NOT OWN THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.
12:14:37PM MOST OF THE ADDITIONS WERE MADE.
12:14:38PM THE ROOF IS NEW.
12:14:40PM THEY DID GET A PERMIT FOR THE ROOF.
12:14:41PM THEY REMOVED THE DRIVEWAY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE
12:14:45PM GREENSPACE.
12:14:45PM THEY JUST NEED WAIVERS FROM, AT THIS POINT, THE CITY AND
12:14:48PM COUNCIL FOR THE SETBACK VIOLATIONS.
12:14:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:14:51PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:14:53PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT KNOWING WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, I READ 61
12:14:58PM EARLIER TODAY.
12:14:58PM YOU SAID THIS PROPERTY WAS CITED.
12:15:02PM I GUESS CODE ENFORCEMENT WENT ON THE PROPERTY.
12:15:05PM WERE THEY ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY?
12:15:07PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DON'T KNOW.
12:15:08PM YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT FOR THE PETITIONER.
12:15:12PM I BELIEVE THEY WERE CITED FOR THE SECOND UNIT.
12:15:14PM NO LONGER A KITCHEN STOVE IN THE SECOND UNIT.
12:15:18PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A RENTAL UNIT OR A FAMILY MEMBER.
12:15:21PM I DON'T KNOW.
12:15:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BY THE WAY, FAMILY MEMBERS.
12:15:24PM WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT LAW.
12:15:26PM I'M NOT GOING TO SWALLOW A FAMILY MEMBER.
12:15:31PM I DON'T CARE WHERE IT'S AT.
12:15:32PM CUBA HAS EXCELLENT RECORDS.
12:15:34PM YOU HAVE DNA TESTING.
12:15:35PM YOU HAVE ALL KIND OF THINGS YOU CAN DO NOW.
12:15:37PM I'M NOT GOING TO GO THAT FAR.
12:15:41PM IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
12:15:42PM YOU LOOK AT THE WATER CONSUMPTION OF ONE UNIT BECAUSE THEY
12:15:45PM ONLY GOT ONE METER.
12:15:47PM SO IF WE HAVE FIVE HOUSES OR TEN HOUSES ON THE BLOCK AND
12:15:50PM THEY ALL HAVE ABOUT THE SAME AND ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE IS UP
12:15:54PM HERE, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
12:15:56PM THE ONE THAT PASSED THE LAST TIME, HATE TO SAY IT.
12:16:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:16:07PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TOTALLY LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON THAT
12:16:11PM ONE, MR. MIRANDA.
12:16:12PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DIDN'T MEAN TO.
12:16:13PM I APOLOGIZE.
12:16:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO APOLOGY NECESSARY.
12:16:18PM I KNOW YOU'RE VIGILANT ON OUR COMMUNITY.
12:16:21PM WE APPRECIATE THAT.
12:16:22PM ERIC, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY RECORDS TO SEE WHEN
12:16:26PM THEY PURCHASED?
12:16:26PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DID.
12:16:27PM I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THEIR DEED.
12:16:29PM I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2018 OR 2019.
12:16:32PM IT WAS RECENTLY.
12:16:34PM THEY CAN CONFIRM.
12:16:35PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL ASK THEM.
12:16:39PM I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU FOUND OUT.
12:16:43PM THANK YOU.
12:16:43PM >>ERIC COTTON: I DO WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE TWO COUNCIL
12:16:46PM MEMBERS THAT WERE ON VRB, THIS NEVER GOT BEFORE THE VRB.
12:16:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION.
12:16:52PM WHY DIDN'T THIS GO TO THE VRB.
12:16:54PM >>ERIC COTTON: IN THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,
12:16:56PM THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA AND SUCH, THE
12:17:02PM CODE HAS A PROVISION THAT YOU GO THROUGH A DESIGN EXCEPTION
12:17:05PM WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS INSTEAD OF GOING BEFORE
12:17:07PM THE BOARD.
12:17:09PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO HERE THEY ARE.
12:17:13PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
12:17:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
12:17:16PM APPLICANT?
12:17:17PM I'M SORRY.
12:17:18PM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:17:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. MORA, SO SOMETIMES THEY ALL SEEM TO BE
12:17:25PM THE SAME WHEN I WAS ON VRB.
12:17:27PM I WAS NOT PRESENT AT ANY TYPE OF HEARING CONCERNING THIS
12:17:30PM CASE WITH VRB.
12:17:31PM >>KRISTIN MORA: NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, COUNCILMAN.
12:17:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:17:37PM THAT SOLVES THAT, MR. SHELBY?
12:17:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
12:17:41PM >> HI, GOOD MORNING.
12:17:42PM MY NAME IS ADRIAN MORFFI.
12:17:45PM I DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH.
12:17:53PM >> YOU CAN SPEAK SPANISH TO THE INTERPRETER AND SHE WILL
12:17:56PM INTERPRET.
12:18:08PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME, IF I CAN, AS AN INTERPRETER, IF
12:18:11PM YOU COULD BREAK IT UP IN A WAY THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY
12:18:15PM ACCURATELY INTERPRET RATHER THAN PARAPHRASE, RATHER THAN
12:18:18PM RECOUNT WHAT HE SAID, BUT DO IT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME SO
12:18:21PM HE CAN BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE CLEARLY TO COUNCIL WHAT HE IS
12:18:25PM ACTUALLY SAYING.
12:18:25PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A COUPLE OF SENTENCES AT A TIME.
12:18:33PM >> THE INTERPRETER: I WOULD LIKE -- I WOULD LIKE TO RECTIFY
12:18:42PM THE DATE OF THE PURCHASE OF THE HOME.
12:18:45PM 2016.
12:18:51PM WE HAVE BEEN WITH THIS PROPERTY FOR THREE YEARS ONLY.
12:18:58PM WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, WE WERE ASSISTED BY OUR
12:19:13PM REALTOR'S COMPANY.
12:19:14PM AND WE PURCHASED THIS HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS -- IN VERY BAD
12:19:26PM CONDITIONS.
12:19:27PM AND THANKS TO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE IT.
12:19:32PM BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOUSE IN BETTER
12:19:42PM CONDITION.
12:19:43PM WHEN THIS COMPANY --
12:19:59PM [ENCODER DROP]
12:20:03PM [NO AUDIO BECAUSE OF ENCODER]
12:20:20PM >>THE INTERPRETER: ACTUALLY, MY PARENTS ARE THE ONE WHO LIVE
12:20:24PM IN THE HOUSE.
12:20:24PM THEY HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE WE GOT THE HOUSE, AND THEY WOULD
12:20:33PM LIKE TO LIVE THERE UNTIL THEY PASS AWAY.
12:20:36PM AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES TO SHOW YOU.
12:20:53PM IT WAS LIKE ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE STARTED RECEIVING
12:20:56PM VIOLATIONS FROM THE CITY.
12:20:58PM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW, OTHERWISE WE
12:21:09PM WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
12:21:10PM SO IN THESE PICTURES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WAS
12:21:27PM ALREADY DONE.
12:21:30PM THE ONLY PART THAT WE ADDED WAS THE STORAGE UNIT THAT WE
12:21:34PM NEEDED TO KEEP OUR TOOLS.
12:21:36PM AND ALL THAT WAS ALREADY BUILDED WHEN WE GOT THE HOUSE.
12:21:47PM AND OTHER THAN THAT, WE --
12:22:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: GO AHEAD.
12:22:05PM FINISH THE LAST SENTENCE.
12:22:06PM >>THE INTERPRETER: THAT PART WAS ALREADY THERE AND THE ONLY
12:22:09PM THING WE DID WAS THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH WE ALREADY REMOVED.
12:22:21PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:22:22PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL TALK IN ENGLISH.
12:22:26PM FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR REHABBING THE HOUSE.
12:22:30PM IT'S VERY COMPLEMENTARY TO SPEND YOUR TIME AND YOUR
12:22:33PM HARD-EARNED MONEY.
12:22:34PM SO THEN I WAS GOING TO ASK, WAS THE HOUSE -- YOU SAID THIS
12:22:38PM IS THE HOUSE THAT YOU BOUGHT IN 2016 JUST LIKE THAT, RIGHT?
12:22:42PM THIS PHOTO THAT YOU'RE SHOWING US IS THE ONE THAT HE SAID
12:22:48PM THAT THIS IS HOW I BOUGHT IT IN 2016.
12:22:51PM [INTERPRETING]
12:23:05PM >>THE INTERPRETER: THE ONE I'M SHOWING SAYS 2014 --
12:23:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IN, IN
12:23:10PM MY MIND.
12:23:11PM YOU CAN'T BOUGHT IN 2016 LIKE THAT BECAUSE I HEARD HIM SAY
12:23:15PM THAT THE DRIVEWAY HE PUT IN.
12:23:20PM [INTERPRETING]
12:23:29PM >>THE INTERPRETER: YOU MEAN THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS THERE --
12:23:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE DRIVEWAY WAS THERE WHEN HE BOUGHT IT?
12:23:42PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:23:46PM >>THE INTERPRETER: OKAY, THERE WAS ANOTHER DRIVEWAY RIGHT
12:23:48PM THERE.
12:23:48PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO THEN THE PHOTO WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT
12:23:51PM IS THE PHOTO TO THE LEFT, NOT THE PHOTO TO THE RIGHT.
12:23:53PM BECAUSE THAT'S --
12:24:01PM [INTERPRETING]
12:24:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YEAH, WE SAW THAT, TO THE RIGHT IS TAKEN
12:24:12PM OUT.
12:24:14PM [INTERPRETING]
12:24:24PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF SHE COULD STATE HER NAME.
12:24:27PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:24:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: SHE'S SPEAKING TO HIM.
12:24:36PM >> AM I ALLOWED TO?
12:24:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: STATE YOUR NAME.
12:24:43PM >> MY NAME IS MARLENY ESTRADA.
12:24:45PM I ASKED FOR A TRANSLATOR BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO BE THE
12:24:52PM TRANSLATOR DIRECTLY.
12:24:53PM I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE.
12:24:54PM I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THAT HE MENTIONED THAT WHEN HE
12:24:57PM BOUGHT THE HOUSE IT WAS IN THAT CONDITION -- BAD CONDITION,
12:25:01PM WHICH IS TRUE.
12:25:01PM HE REMODELED THE HOUSE.
12:25:04PM HE REPAIRED THE HOUSE.
12:25:05PM REALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE HOUSE WAS -- IT'S STILL A WOOD
12:25:09PM HOUSE.
12:25:09PM IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE FROM WHICH AREA IT WAS BUILT.
12:25:15PM WHAT HE DID WAS TO PUT ROOF ON THE HOUSE, ONE, FOR WHICH WE
12:25:18PM GOT PERMIT.
12:25:19PM SO WE GOT PERMIT FOR THE ROOF BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU PERMIT
12:25:26PM FOR THE ROOF, I DO NOT KNOW ALL THE STUFF LIKE THE STORAGE,
12:25:29PM IF WE EVER NEEDED PERMIT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, LESS THAN
12:25:34PM 150 SQUARE FOOT, DIDN'T NEED A PERMIT FOR STORAGE.
12:25:38PM SO THE REPAIR THAT HE'S REFERRING TO WAS THE ROOF OF THE
12:25:42PM HOUSE.
12:25:43PM THEN THERE WAS ONE DRIVEWAY AND ANOTHER ONE WAS NOT A
12:25:47PM DRIVEWAY.
12:25:47PM SO WE KIND OF LIKE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT THE ONE THAT WAS
12:25:51PM ALREADY THERE BY PUTTING CONCRETE ON IT AND THEN ON THE
12:25:54PM OTHER ONE WHERE THERE WAS GRASS, WE PUT CONCRETE, TOO.
12:25:57PM WE ENDED UP REMOVING THAT CONCRETE AND THERE IS GRASS AGAIN
12:26:01PM OVER THERE TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY.
12:26:03PM WE HAVE PUT SOME DECORATIONS, LIKE LANDSCAPING, SO THE CITY
12:26:10PM SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE MORE GREEN.
12:26:13PM WE REMOVED THE LANDSCAPING.
12:26:15PM RIGHT NOW YOU SEE A LOT OF GREEN AROUND THE HOUSE.
12:26:18PM I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU WERE CONFUSED WITH HOW
12:26:22PM -- I THINK WITH THE WRONG PICTURE.
12:26:25PM THE PICTURE SEEN AT THAT MOMENT IS NOT UPDATED BECAUSE RIGHT
12:26:29PM NOW, YOU SHOULD SEE ANOTHER ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT
12:26:33PM DRIVEWAY.
12:26:34PM AM I MAKING SENSE?
12:26:35PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
12:26:37PM MAY I CONTINUE?
12:26:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES MIR MER THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, THE 20
12:26:40PM BY 25 I THINK IT IS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
12:26:44PM 20 BY 25, IS THAT A RENTAL PROPERTY, RENTED OUT OR WHAT?
12:26:53PM >> NO, IT'S NOT A RENTAL PROPERTY.
12:26:55PM SOMEONE WAS STAYING THERE.
12:26:56PM IT IS COMPLETELY VACANT.
12:26:58PM IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, WE'RE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH
12:27:02PM THE CITY.
12:27:03PM WE HAVE DILIGENTLY COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY
12:27:07PM HAS ASKED US TO SINCE 2018.
12:27:09PM I HAVE ALL THE E-MAILS, ALL THE PHONE CALLS -- I HAVE ALL
12:27:14PM THE COMMUNICATIONS.
12:27:15PM THEY KNOW WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE
12:27:18PM COMPLIANT.
12:27:19PM WE DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SETBACK OF THE
12:27:23PM HOUSE.
12:27:23PM IF WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT ALL THIS WAS GOING TO COME TO
12:27:26PM US, WE WOULD HAVE NOT PURCHASED THE HOUSE.
12:27:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MET US.
12:27:32PM [ LAUGHTER ]
12:27:32PM WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, TO SIMPLIFY THE WHOLE THING, YOU
12:27:41PM GOT CITED.
12:27:43PM YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO.
12:27:45PM NOW THE ONLY QUESTION, IN MY MIND REMAINS, THAT APARTMENT.
12:27:48PM THE APARTMENT, NOT AN APARTMENT.
12:27:50PM COULD BE AN APARTMENT.
12:27:51PM DOES IT HAVE A STOVE?
12:27:53PM >> WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, IT WAS AN APARTMENT.
12:27:57PM PROBABLY SOMEBODY WAS STAYING THERE.
12:27:59PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS.
12:28:00PM THEY BUILT IT AND SOMEBODY, A RELATIVE WAS LIVING THERE.
12:28:04PM IT WAS JUST THERE.
12:28:05PM AND SOMEBODY WAS STAYING THERE.
12:28:09PM THEN WE RECEIVED THE VIOLATION IT WAS A SINGLE-FAMILY
12:28:14PM RESIDENCE.
12:28:14PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO US NOW IS YOU'LL
12:28:18PM KEEP IT AS A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.
12:28:21PM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE NO ONE LIVING THERE.
12:28:25PM >> WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT YOU TELL US TO DO.
12:28:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NO.
12:28:27PM I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ANYTHING.
12:28:30PM YOUR HUSBAND MAY BUT NOT ME.
12:28:32PM [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:28:33PM MAGNIFICENT JOB ON THE HOUSE.
12:28:42PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:28:45PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN SEE DID ALL THE WORK.
12:28:48PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:28:51PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB.
12:28:54PM >> SAID I WAS THE ONE THAT DID ALL THE REPAIRS TO THE HOUSE.
12:28:57PM I EVEN SHOWED MYSELF IN THE PICTURE ON GOOGLE THAT I AM
12:29:01PM ALREADY --
12:29:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE I RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND
12:29:04PM THEN COUNCILMAN CITRO, I HAD SAID WE WOULD GO UP TO 12:25.
12:29:08PM THAT CONCERN WAS OVER LUNCH.
12:29:11PM STAFF MEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ON BEING ABLE TO HAVE
12:29:14PM LUNCH AT A DECENT TIME.
12:29:15PM HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU THINK WE HAVE FOR THIS HEARING?
12:29:18PM OKAY.
12:29:20PM IS THAT OKAY WITH OUR FRIENDS?
12:29:22PM FIVE MINUTES POSTHASTE.
12:29:26PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:29:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COULD YOU GO BACK ONE PICTURE TO THE
12:29:32PM MAPS?
12:29:35PM DURING HIS PRESENTATION, HE HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THAT THE
12:29:45PM ONLY STRUCTURE THAT THEY ADDED WAS A STORAGE UNIT OR UTILITY
12:29:50PM STRUCTURE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
12:29:52PM CAN HE POINT ON THE 2019 PHOTO PERHAPS WITH A PEN OR
12:29:56PM SOMETHING, WHICH ONE THAT WAS THAT WAS ADDED?
12:30:04PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:30:17PM >>THE INTERPRETER: THAT IS SQUARE ON IT.
12:30:22PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS THE ONLY ACTUAL STRUCTURE THAT
12:30:24PM THEY ADDED.
12:30:28PM >> THAT'S IT.
12:30:30PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, DID
12:30:35PM THEY HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SELLER?
12:30:36PM IN OTHER WORDS, WAS THE SELLER A FAMILY MEMBER, A FRIEND OR
12:30:39PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
12:30:41PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:30:48PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE CALL THAT AN ARM'S LENGTH TRANSACTION.
12:30:52PM >>THE INTERPRETER: HE SAID NO, NOBODY WAS LIVING THERE.
12:30:54PM IT WAS VACANT.
12:30:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ERIC, VERY QUICKLY, I'M TRYING TO
12:31:02PM EXPEDITE THIS.
12:31:03PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
12:31:04PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LITTLE SHED THAT THEY POINTED TO, IT
12:31:07PM LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING EXISTED THERE IN 2014.
12:31:12PM >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
12:31:15PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT ARE WE SEEING?
12:31:17PM WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?
12:31:19PM >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS SLIGHTLY ENLARGED AND I THINK ALL
12:31:23PM ATTACHED TO ONE STRUCTURE NOW.
12:31:25PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, THEREFORE, IT'S NOT IN CODE.
12:31:29PM IT'S NOT SET BACK PROPERLY, ET CETERA.
12:31:31PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
12:31:32PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EVEN THE LITTLE NEW STRUCTURE.
12:31:34PM >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
12:31:39PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER QUESTION.
12:31:42PM YOU PULLED PERMITS FOR THE ROOF PROPERLY, WHY DIDN'T YOU
12:31:51PM PULL A PERMIT FOR THAT LITTLE SHED, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT
12:31:55PM LITTLE SHED?
12:31:58PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:32:07PM >>THE INTERPRETER: BECAUSE THE MEASUREMENT OF THAT AREA IS
12:32:10PM JUST LIKE ABOUT 70 FEET, SQUARE FEET, AND I DIDN'T CONSIDER
12:32:14PM -- I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I NEEDED A PERMIT.
12:32:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ALREADY EXISTING
12:32:19PM THERE THAT HE JUST KIND OF TORE DOWN AND IMPROVED?
12:32:23PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:32:26PM >> NO.
12:32:27PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LOOKING AT THOSE TWO PICTURES, IT
12:32:29PM APPEARS -- I CAN'T POINT TO IT.
12:32:34PM BUT LOOKING AT THE TWO PICTURES IT APPEARS THERE WAS
12:32:36PM SOMETHING THERE, YEAH, THERE AND THEN THERE.
12:32:43PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:32:46PM >>THE INTERPRETER: IT WAS JUST LIKE CONCRETE.
12:32:48PM IT WAS VERY DIRTY AND BROKEN.
12:32:50PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:32:52PM >>THE INTERPRETER: AND I JUST FIXED IT AND PUT A LITTLE ROOF
12:32:55PM ON IT.
12:32:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:32:58PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO COUNCILMAN
12:32:59PM MIRANDA'S QUESTION.
12:33:01PM THE BACK STRUCTURE, IS THERE GOING TO BE A STOVE IN THERE OR
12:33:06PM ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE OUT THE KITCHEN IN THE BACK STRUCTURE?
12:33:09PM JUST FOR THE RECORD.
12:33:18PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:33:25PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:33:30PM >>THE INTERPRETER: THERE'S NO KITCHEN AT ALL.
12:33:32PM IT'S JUST A COUNTER, AND THERE IS JUST LIKE A FREEZER AND
12:33:35PM THAT'S IT.
12:33:36PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO PLANS TO PUT ONE IN THERE?
12:33:38PM THERE ARE NO PLANS TO PUT A KITCHEN IN THAT?
12:33:44PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:33:45PM >> NO.
12:33:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
12:33:47PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:33:47PM NEXT WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM, FOR ITEM NUMBER
12:33:53PM 61.
12:33:54PM IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM 61?
12:33:57PM IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
12:34:02PM >>THE INTERPRETER: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING.
12:34:05PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:34:21PM >>THE INTERPRETER: OKAY.
12:34:22PM BASED ON ALL THESE THINGS, WE ASK OUR NEIGHBORS IF THERE WAS
12:34:25PM AN ISSUE, AND THEY GAVE US A SIGNATURE BASICALLY TO VALIDATE
12:34:30PM THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH US BEING THERE AND MAKING THE
12:34:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD --
12:34:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:34:39PM GRACIAS.
12:34:39PM NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE.
12:34:40PM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:34:43PM SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.
12:34:44PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:34:45PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:34:45PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS?
12:34:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HEARD FROM THEM THAT THEY COMPLIED AS
12:34:58PM BEST THEY COULD.
12:34:59PM THEY PURCHASED THIS HOUSE AFTER A MAJORITY OF THESE THINGS
12:35:01PM WERE DONE OR ACTUALLY ALMOST ALL THESE THINGS WERE DONE.
12:35:04PM THEY PUT ON A NEW ROOF.
12:35:05PM THEY APPLIED FOR A PERMIT.
12:35:07PM THEY WORKED WITH THE CITY IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
12:35:11PM FOLLOW THE RULES AS NEW HOMEOWNERS.
12:35:13PM I THINK THEY HONESTLY DID NOT KNOW UPON PURCHASING THE HOME.
12:35:18PM BUT SINCE THEN, THEY'VE BEEN GOOD STEWARDS AND WHATNOT AND
12:35:24PM TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
12:35:25PM HAVING SAID THAT I MOVE TO REVERSE THE ZONING
12:35:27PM ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION DE
12:35:32PM 1-19-178 BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THE
12:35:37PM PETITION, IF THE WAIVERS ARE GRANTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
12:35:40PM APPLICABLE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH HEREIN SECTION
12:35:43PM 27-60-E5.
12:35:47PM I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE TO ADD ANY FACTS OR CITATIONS.
12:35:53PM THEY PLEAD THEIR CASE.
12:35:55PM THEY WORKED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
12:35:56PM THEY WORKED WITH THE CITY.
12:35:57PM THEY PULLED PERMITS MOVING FORWARD ON THE NEW ROOF AND
12:36:00PM EVERYTHING AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
12:36:02PM SO THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.
12:36:06PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH YOU AND I'LL SECOND.
12:36:08PM HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE ASSURANCE THAT THEY PUT ON
12:36:11PM THE RECORD THAT THAT BUILDING IN THE BACK WILL NOT BE AN
12:36:13PM APARTMENT AS LONG AS THEY OWN THE HOUSE.
12:36:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO REOPEN.
12:36:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE TO REOPEN, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:36:23PM SECOND TO REOPEN?
12:36:23PM SECOND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:36:28PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'RE ABOUT READY TO VOTE AND I THINK YOU
12:36:31PM MAY HAVE A VOTE FROM WHAT I SEE.
12:36:33PM WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, 20, 25
12:36:37PM FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT WILL
12:36:40PM NOT BE AN APARTMENT.
12:36:41PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:36:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUT THAT IN WRITING.
12:36:46PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:37:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL YOU PLEASE TRANSLATE WHAT SHE SAID?
12:37:10PM >>THE INTERPRETER: SHE SAID I NEED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT
12:37:12PM EITHER THE STORAGE OR THE BACK AREA, WE WON'T RENT IT AT
12:37:16PM ALL.
12:37:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WILL NOT.
12:37:18PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: WILL NOT BE AN APARTMENT.
12:37:27PM >> [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:37:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: PLEASE INTERPRET.
12:37:31PM >>THE INTERPRETER: NO, ONLY THE STORAGE UNIT AND THEN LIKE
12:37:35PM AN OPEN LAUNDRY AND THE REST IT WILL JUST STAY LIKE THAT.
12:37:38PM IT'S JUST OPEN.
12:37:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S A CORRECT STATEMENT TO SAY NO APARTMENTS
12:37:42PM IN THE BACK, CORRECT?
12:37:44PM >> [INTERPRETING]
12:37:49PM >>LUIS VIERA: SI? YES?
12:37:50PM OKAY.
12:37:51PM MOTION TO CLOSE.
12:37:54PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:37:56PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:37:57PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:37:57PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:37:57PM WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
12:37:59PM SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:38:02PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:38:03PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:38:04PM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ABOUT A 45-MINUTE BREAK.
12:38:12PM IS THAT GOOD FOR LUNCH?
12:38:13PM LET'S DO 1:30.
12:38:15PM IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY?
12:38:18PM THANK YOU.
12:38:18PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:38:18PM [RECESS]
1:34:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
1:34:56PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
1:34:58PM >> GUDES?
1:34:58PM MANISCALCO?
1:34:59PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
1:35:01PM >> CITRO?
1:35:02PM MIRANDA?
1:35:03PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
1:35:03PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
1:35:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
1:35:05PM OKAY.
1:35:06PM NEXT I BELIEVE IS ITEM 64 FOR MR. DENNIS FERNANDEZ OF
1:35:11PM HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND URBAN DESIGN TO PROVIDE A LIST OF
1:35:15PM UNPROTECTED CIGAR FACTORIES IN THE CITY.
1:35:18PM WAS A REPORT PROVIDED IN LIEU?
1:35:21PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
1:35:22PM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
1:35:30PM DOES THE CLERK HAVE ANYTHING?
1:35:32PM [MICROPHONES NOT ON]
1:35:54PM >> I HAVE IT IN AN E-MAIL, BUT I DIDN'T PRINT IT.
1:35:57PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
1:35:59PM I'LL JUST SHARE THIS WITH EVERYBODY VERBALLY, IF YOU WANT.
1:36:18PM >>LUIS VIERA: MA'AM, DID YOU HAVE AN ITEM BEFORE COUNCIL?
1:36:23PM >> [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
1:36:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'LL LET YOU COME AND TALK ABOUT IT WHENEVER
1:36:32PM THAT COMES.
1:36:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
1:36:37PM THIS IS A THREE-PAGE MEMO.
1:36:38PM I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD.
1:36:41PM IT'S NOT.
1:36:41PM I DON'T KNOW WHY DENNIS COULDN'T GET HERE TO DO THIS.
1:36:45PM I'D LIKE TO CARRY THIS OVER TO TONIGHT.
1:36:48PM I'M TIRED OF THIS.
1:36:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW IS TONIGHT BEING ADVERTISED?
1:37:01PM AS AN EVENING --
1:37:05PM >>THE CLERK: [MICROPHONE IS NOT ON]
1:37:08PM [INAUDIBLE]
1:37:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND A COMMENDATION.
1:37:11PM IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
1:37:16PM >>THE CLERK: [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
1:37:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TONIGHT.
1:37:20PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF HE CAN'T DO IT TONIGHT, THEN HE'LL
1:37:23PM SEND US ANOTHER MEMO, I GUESS.
1:37:24PM THAT'S MY MOTION, TO CARRY IT OVER TONIGHT AT WHAT TIME?
1:37:27PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
1:37:29PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 6:00.
1:37:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE MOTION.
1:37:32PM MA'AM, I'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
1:37:38PM >> [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
1:37:39PM [INAUDIBLE] [CANNOT BE HEARD BECAUSE MICROPHONE NOT ON]
1:37:57PM -- OH, SORRY.
1:38:00PM ONE OF THE FOUR CIGAR FACTORIES IS ALSO OWNED BY THE
1:38:04PM GENTLEMAN WHO IS IN THE PROCESS OF PAINTING THE CIGAR
1:38:09PM FACTORY AT 1906 NORTH ARMENIA AVENUE.
1:38:14PM SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
1:38:17PM AND DEPENDING UPON WHETHER OR NOT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
1:38:21PM WANT ME TO INDICATE WHICH OF THE FOUR CIGAR FACTORIES ARE IN
1:38:29PM THE AREA OR NOT.
1:38:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: YOU MAY, IF YOU LIKE.
1:38:31PM >> THERE IS THE BUSTILLO BROTHERS AND DIAZ AT 2111 NORTH
1:38:40PM ALBANY.
1:38:41PM THERE'S ALSO THE Y. PENDAS AND ALVAREZ AT 2301 NORTH ALBANY.
1:38:47PM AND THAT IS A CIGAR FACTORY THAT THE GENTLEMAN OWNS.
1:38:53PM WE ALSO HAVE SAN MARTIN & LEON AT 2202 NORTH HOWARD.
1:39:03PM AND WE HAVE THE MORGAN CIGAR COMPANY AT 2802 NORTH HOWARD.
1:39:08PM SO I AM JUST DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE
1:39:15PM THAT PROPERTY OWNER HAS THEIR OWN CIGAR FACTORY IN THE AREA
1:39:23PM IN WHICH I LIVE.
1:39:24PM YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT
1:39:29PM NON-DESCRIPT PROPERTIES.
1:39:31PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CIGAR FACTORIES THAT HAVE HOUSED
1:39:36PM HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS.
1:39:38PM FED THEM, CLOTHED THEM.
1:39:42PM THE ISSUE I HAVE IS IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO PURCHASE THE KIND
1:39:46PM OF PROPERTY, THEY HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.
1:39:50PM YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE WRITTEN ON THE BILL OF SALE, BUT IN
1:39:54PM MY OPINION, THEY HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO RESPECT THE
1:39:59PM STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY, THE INTERIOR AND THE
1:40:06PM EXTERIOR.
1:40:07PM I AM JUST HERE TO ASK YOU ALL TO HELP OUT AS MUCH AS
1:40:11PM POSSIBLE.
1:40:11PM I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW IF FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL IS SOMETHING
1:40:17PM THAT THE CITY HAS WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF
1:40:21PM PROPERTIES?
1:40:22PM THANK YOU.
1:40:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
1:40:23PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
1:40:23PM OKAY.
1:40:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID WE MOVE ON THE MOTION?
1:40:32PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
1:40:32PM WE HAVE A MOTION.
1:40:34PM I BELIEVE IT WAS BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
1:40:37PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:40:38PM ALL IN FAVOR?
1:40:39PM ANY OPPOSED?
1:40:40PM OKAY.
1:40:41PM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 65.
1:40:43PM HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO APPEAR AND DISCUSS.
1:40:49PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:40:50PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO, NOBODY IS HERE.
1:40:52PM WE DID RECEIVE A MEMO.
1:40:54PM I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL SAW IT IN THE E-MAIL.
1:40:56PM THE GUIDA HOUSE WAS DESIGNATED AS A LOCALLY DESIGNATED I
1:41:01PM BELIEVE IN 2005 OR 6.
1:41:04PM I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE E-MAIL.
1:41:05PM ANY CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE ARC.
1:41:08PM SO THERE ARE THOSE PROTECTIONS FOR THE EXTERIOR AND WHATNOT.
1:41:11PM A NUMBER THAT THEY GOT TO AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THEM HOW
1:41:15PM RECENT THAT NUMBER IS AND HOW THEY GOT TO IT IS $1.3 MILLION
1:41:20PM TO RESTORE THE HOUSE.
1:41:23PM I MYSELF HAVE BEEN INSIDE IT SEVERAL TIMES TO TOUR IT.
1:41:28PM I'M GOING TO SET UP ANOTHER FIELD TRIP WITH ENGINEERS AND
1:41:32PM ARCHITECTS.
1:41:32PM THEY WANT TO SEE JUST EXACTLY HOW -- YOU KNOW, WHAT THE
1:41:36PM STATE OF DISREPAIR IS INSIDE THAT HOUSE.
1:41:39PM I'VE MET WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, DIFFERENT IDEAS OF
1:41:45PM WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
1:41:47PM I THINK THE ONE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST IS TO MAKE IT INTO A
1:41:50PM WEST TAMPA MUSEUM AND COMMUNITY CENTER.
1:41:52PM THERE'S THE SPACE FOR IT.
1:41:55PM IT'S A WIDE OPEN FLOOR PLAN, ESPECIALLY ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
1:41:58PM THE BASEMENT IS PROBABLY AS BIG AS THIS ROOM, MAYBE A LITTLE
1:42:01PM BIT SMALLER.
1:42:02PM WHAT'S NICE, IT'S NOT FILLED WITH WATER, AS ONE WOULD
1:42:06PM EXPECT.
1:42:07PM IT'S DRY.
1:42:08PM YOU DON'T HAVE THAT DAMAGE FROM HUMIDITY AND THE MORE
1:42:16PM TROPICAL CLIMATE WE HAVE.
1:42:17PM THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT.
1:42:18PM THE NEXT STEP IS DO THE FIELD TRIP WITH PARKS AND REC,
1:42:21PM ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, SO THEY CAN SEE IT, GROUP OF PEOPLE,
1:42:26PM COMMUNITY FOLKS.
1:42:26PM WE MET WITH SENATOR CRUZ TO SEE ABOUT FUNDING FROM THE STATE
1:42:33PM TO RESTORE THIS.
1:42:34PM THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, I REMEMBER WHEN REPRESENTATIVE ED
1:42:38PM NOR RAIN WAS ABLE TO ALLOCATE A LITTLE OVER A MILLION
1:42:41PM DOLLARS FOR THE TAMPA HEIGHTS JUNIOR CIVIC ASSOCIATION
1:42:43PM BUILDING SHOULD IT HAVE TO BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE
1:42:46PM TBX DISCUSSION AT THE TIME.
1:42:48PM YOU KNOW, OTHER GRANTS LOCALLY, STATE, EVEN FEDERAL.
1:42:52PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CUBAN CLUB HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF MONEY FROM
1:42:54PM THE STATE.
1:42:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CUBAN CLUB ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
1:42:57PM PATRICK MANTEIGA.
1:42:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THE COUNTY.
1:43:01PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
1:43:04PM DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
1:43:06PM THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE INTERESTED.
1:43:08PM YOU KNOW, IDEAS HAVE BEEN TOSSED AROUND.
1:43:10PM BUT THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN SITTING VACANT SINCE THE 1980s.
1:43:13PM GEORGE GUIDA WAS KNOWN AS MR. WEST TAMPA.
1:43:16PM HE HAD HIS DEPARTMENT STORE ON HOWARD AVENUE.
1:43:20PM HIS SLOGAN WAS LET GEORGE FIX IT OR LET GEORGE DO IT.
1:43:24PM I HAVE A PERSONAL FRIEND WHO BOUGHT A HOUSE ON CASS STREET
1:43:27PM THAT HE STILL LIVES IN TODAY FROM GEORGE GUIDA.
1:43:29PM I THINK HE PAID 10,500.
1:43:31PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK IN THE LATE 1950s.
1:43:34PM HE HAS PICTURES OF I BELIEVE IT'S HIS WEDDING INSIDE THE
1:43:39PM LIVING.
1:43:41PM PIANO AND EVERYTHING.
1:43:42PM IT'S A VERY UNIQUE AND GREAT CASE FOR MID CENTURY
1:43:48PM ARCHITECTURE BUILT IN '52, '53.
1:43:52PM VERY UNIQUE.
1:43:53PM SITS ON MCFARLANE PARK PROPERTY.
1:43:55PM McFARLANE PARK WAS HISTORICALLY A GOLF COURSE.
1:43:58PM HUGH MacFARLANE, ONE OF THE FATHERS, FOUNDERS OF WEST
1:44:01PM TAMPA.
1:44:02PM ALSO I BELIEVE IS A FORMER CITY ATTORNEY, LIKE 1890 OR SO.
1:44:07PM THERE'S MORE HISTORY THERE.
1:44:09PM ANYWAYS, AFTER HIS PASSING IN 1935, HE DEEDED THAT LAND TO
1:44:12PM GO TO THE PEOPLE.
1:44:13PM AND SINCE THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD WEST TAMPA LITTLE LEAGUE.
1:44:17PM YOU HAVE THE LOPEZ POOL BUILT ACROSS THE STREET.
1:44:20PM FROM GOLF COURSE, IT BECAME THE PARK AS WE SEE IT NOW.
1:44:23PM THE GAZEBO, WHICH PEOPLE KNOW AS THE BIG HILL WHICH FACES
1:44:27PM THE BARKSDALE SENIOR CENTER AND GUIDA HOUSE WAS REDONE.
1:44:33PM FREEDOM PLAYGROUND WHICH CAME UP IN EARLIER CONVERSATION.
1:44:36PM I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BECAUSE SEVERAL
1:44:39PM YEARS AGO, THAT GAZEBO WAS IN DISREPAIR, NEEDED A NEW ROOF
1:44:43PM AND WHATNOT.
1:44:44PM THE COMMUNITY ASKED COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S OFFICE TO GET HELP
1:44:47PM IN REDOING THE ROOF AND THE GAZEBO AND THEY DID.
1:44:50PM THEY DID IT FAIRLY QUICKLY.
1:44:52PM THE COMMUNITY IS VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
1:44:53PM SO THAT'S IT.
1:44:54PM IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY ASSET.
1:44:57PM WE HAVE A NUMBER OF 1.3 MILLION.
1:44:59PM I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE DETAILS AS TO HOW THEY GOT TO THAT
1:45:02PM NUMBER, WHAT EXACTLY THAT SPECIFIES.
1:45:03PM IT'S NOT A HUGE PROJECT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PEOPLE THAT
1:45:07PM HAVE SHOWN INTEREST, GOING TO THE STATE WITH SENATOR CRUZ,
1:45:11PM LOOKING AT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.
1:45:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF WE HIRED A FLIPPER, THEY PROBABLY
1:45:14PM COULD DO IT FOR 25 GRAND.
1:45:16PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, PUT IT ON A REALITY TV SHOW.
1:45:19PM BUT THAT'S IT.
1:45:20PM I'M SORRY THAT NOBODY SHOWED UP TO DISCUSS THIS.
1:45:22PM THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
1:45:26PM THAT'S THE INFO THAT I HAVE.
1:45:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL ON THIS?
1:45:31PM YES, SIR.
1:45:32PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHERE DO YOU WANT TO TAKE IT,
1:45:35PM MR. MANISCALCO?
1:45:36PM DO YOU WANT TO CARRY THIS OVER SO WE CAN GET SOME MORE STAFF
1:45:40PM DISCUSSION?
1:45:40PM DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU DO YOUR TOUR AND THEN
1:45:43PM BRING IT BACK OR WHAT?
1:45:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME BRING THIS BACK IN THE FUTURE.
1:45:47PM I'LL GET WITH PAUL DIAL WITH PARKS AND REC.
1:45:50PM HE ORGANIZED THE ORIGINAL WALK-THROUGH.
1:45:52PM SO WE'LL DO THAT, I THINK, WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO.
1:45:56PM THAT'S IT.
1:46:01PM WE'LL BRING IT BACK.
1:46:02PM AT LEAST THE DISCUSSION HAS STARTED WITH OTHER COMMUNITY
1:46:04PM STAKEHOLDERS.
1:46:05PM WHERE TO GET THE FUNDING, PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED.
1:46:07PM ANYBODY FROM TURNING IT INTO RESIDENTIAL, BUILDING AROUND
1:46:10PM IT.
1:46:11PM THE GOAL HERE IS TO PRESERVE IT, RESTORE IT, KEEP IT AS
1:46:15PM ORIGINAL LOOKING AS POSSIBLE.
1:46:16PM IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM GOOGLE EARTH, THE DRIVEWAY IS IN THE
1:46:19PM SHAPE OF A HEART, WHICH IS STILL THERE.
1:46:21PM THAT'S HOW MR. GUIDA MADE IT FOR HIS WIFE AND WHATNOT.
1:46:25PM IT'S A VERY INTERESTING HOME AND VERY WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR, I
1:46:31PM THINK.
1:46:32PM THAT'S IT.
1:46:33PM WE'LL BRING THIS BACK AT A FUTURE DATE.
1:46:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, IF YOU DO GET A DATE
1:46:40PM FOR THE WALK-THROUGH, CAN YOU INFORM US --
1:46:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, I HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. SHELBY.
1:46:44PM IS THERE ANY ISSUE -- WE WOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING ANYTHING.
1:46:48PM WE WOULD BE -- TO WALK THROUGH THE GUIDA HOUSE, IF OTHER
1:46:52PM COUNCIL MEMBERS JOINED US.
1:46:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: POTENTIALLY, YES.
1:46:57PM YES, I WOULD SAY SO.
1:46:58PM WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOU WALKING THROUGH IT?
1:47:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: UNDERSTOOD.
1:47:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN NOTICE AS PUBLIC EVENT.
1:47:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT TO MAKE SURE IT
1:47:09PM COMPLIES WITH THE SUNSHINE LAW.
1:47:10PM AND I'LL WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO MAKE SURE THAT --
1:47:14PM AS LONG AS WE HAVE SUFFICIENT NOTICE.
1:47:16PM THAT'S THE KEY, TO BE ABLE TO PLAN FOR THIS.
1:47:18PM IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT TOOK PLACE AT THE WATER PLANT,
1:47:24PM AND THAT TURNED OUT TO BE MORE OF A LOGISTIC ISSUE THAN WE
1:47:28PM HAD ANTICIPATED.
1:47:29PM WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
1:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S FROZEN IN TIME.
1:47:33PM '50s, THE FURNITURE, FIXTURES, EVERYTHING THERE IS
1:47:39PM BORDERLINE "I LOVE LUCY," DICK VAN DYKE.
1:47:43PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:47:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: THREE QUICK THINGS RELATED TO THIS.
1:47:50PM I REMEMBER THE EFFORT TEN YEARS AGO TO TRY TO SAVE IT.
1:47:53PM DOES THE CITY OWN IT NOW?
1:47:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE CITY OWNS IT AND HAS SINCE 1980s.
1:48:00PM GEORGE GUIDA I THINK PASSED AWAY IN '87, '88.
1:48:05PM IF YOU LOOK AT TEN YEARS AGO, THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM WE
1:48:08PM BROUGHT UP, IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE GREAT RECESSION,
1:48:10PM BANKS WEREN'T OFFERING FINANCING.
1:48:12PM THE STOCK MARKET WAS PLUMMETING.
1:48:14PM WE WERE BAILING OUT CAR COMPANIES.
1:48:20PM I THINK WITH THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AS IT IS, WITH BANKS
1:48:24PM FINANCING AS THEY NORMALLY WOULD WITH STRICTER REGULATIONS,
1:48:28PM BUT I THINK THE DESIRE TO DO THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE, BUT
1:48:33PM FINANCIALLY, I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO --
1:48:35PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING, TO THE POINT OF HAVING IT
1:48:38PM PUBLICLY NOTICED, TOUR OF A HISTORIC BUILDING, I'M VERY IN
1:48:42PM FAVOR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
1:48:43PM EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD BE A PAIN TO MAYBE TAKE MINUTES AND ALL
1:48:47PM THAT, IF WE COULD POSSIBLY GET MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE, IF THE
1:48:50PM BUILDING COULD STAND IT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, MAYBE,
1:48:52PM TO JUST PROMOTE THE IDEA.
1:48:54PM THE LAST POINT IS, I REMEMBER HISTORIC PRESERVATION SHOWED
1:48:59PM US A LIST OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE PRESERVED.
1:49:02PM I DON'T REMEMBER, MAYBE YOU ALL CAN CORRECT ME.
1:49:05PM I WONDER IF THERE'S SOME PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE BY DISTRICT
1:49:09PM OR CITYWIDE.
1:49:10PM IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE LOTS OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE LIMPING
1:49:14PM ALONG, SOME OF THEM LIKE THE JACKSON HOUSE IS BARELY
1:49:18PM STANDING UP.
1:49:19PM ONES LIKE THIS IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR BUT WANT TO BE SAVED.
1:49:22PM I WONDER IF THERE IS A WAY TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO GET
1:49:25PM PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, BUT ALSO HELP
1:49:27PM THE PUBLIC MAKE CHOICES ABOUT IF WE ONLY HAD SO MUCH MONEY,
1:49:30PM WHAT WOULD WE DO?
1:49:32PM AND AT SOME POINT, MAYBE IT'S WORTH HAVING A DISCUSSION.
1:49:35PM IF WE HAVE LIMITED AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR HISTORIC
1:49:38PM PRESERVATION, WHAT ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT WE AND THE PUBLIC
1:49:40PM THINK ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES, INSTEAD OF GIVING A
1:49:43PM LITTLE BIT TO A LOT WHILE THEY ARE ABOUT TO FALL DOWN, IS IT
1:49:46PM WORTH SPENDING MORE ON A FEW SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE
1:49:50PM COMPLETELY RESTORE THEM?
1:49:53PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE GUIDA HOUSE IS A VERY IMPORTANT,
1:49:56PM UNIQUE STRUCTURE.
1:49:57PM CIGAR FACTORIES I THINK ARE IN THEIR OWN CATEGORY.
1:50:01PM THEY ARE HUGE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.
1:50:04PM THE MOST IMPORTANT HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
1:50:07PM THAT DESERVES TO BE PRESERVED IS THE JACKSON HOUSE, EASILY.
1:50:11PM I COULD SEE THAT TURNED INTO A CIVIL RIGHTS MUSEUM,
1:50:15PM SOMETHING, A REAL COMMUNITY ASSET.
1:50:17PM YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
1:50:19PM THERE IS NO BLACK BUSINESS DISTRICT ANYMORE.
1:50:21PM YBOR CITY IS THERE.
1:50:22PM 7th AVENUE IS THERE.
1:50:23PM ALBEIT, AFTER URBAN RENEWAL WITH SO MUCH BEING TORN DOWN
1:50:26PM AROUND IT AND THE INTERSTATE COMING THROUGH, BUT FOR AFRICAN
1:50:29PM AMERICAN HISTORY, WHICH THERE'S A LOT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
1:50:33PM THE JACKSON HOUSE IS PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AND MOST
1:50:36PM IMPORTANT STRUCTURE.
1:50:37PM AND I BROUGHT THAT UP RIGHT AFTER I GOT SWORN IN, THE DAY
1:50:40PM THAT I DID THE ORIENTATION HERE.
1:50:42PM FIRST THING, WHAT ABOUT THE JACKSON HOUSE?
1:50:44PM AND THERE WAS JUST NO INTEREST IN IT.
1:50:47PM IT WASN'T ABOUT THE MONEY BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS BUBBA THE
1:50:50PM LOVE SPONGE OR ONE OF THE RADIO PERSONALITIES TRYING TO
1:50:54PM RAISE THE MONEY PRIVATELY.
1:50:55PM AND IT WAS IN BETTER SHAPE.
1:50:57PM I PARKED ON FRANKLIN STREET TO HAVE DINNER WITH A FRIEND,
1:51:00PM THE WEATHER WAS NICE SO WE WALKED THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND WE
1:51:04PM WALKED TO THE JACKSON HOUSE.
1:51:05PM I REMEMBER TAKING THE PICTURE.
1:51:07PM IF YOU SEE THE CHANGE FROM FOUR AND A HALF YEARS TO NOW, IT
1:51:09PM WAS MORE SALVAGEABLE THEN.
1:51:12PM NOW, IT IS THE FRONT AWNING IS DROOPING.
1:51:14PM THE STRUCTURE IS TILTED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
1:51:16PM BUT I THINK IT'S STILL SALVAGEABLE AND RESTORABLE.
1:51:22PM BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
1:51:27PM I THINK THE FUNDING COULD BE FOUND FOR THOSE, BECAUSE TAMPA
1:51:33PM HAS A PRETTY BIG POPULATION.
1:51:35PM THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND WHATNOT.
1:51:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ABOUT THE JACKSON HOUSE, I HOPE WE CAN
1:51:47PM DISCUSS THAT ANOTHER TIME.
1:51:49PM PART OF THE EFFORT TO TRY TO SAVE IT AND THE CITY STOPPED
1:51:52PM US.
1:51:53PM AT LEAST IT STILL EXISTS.
1:51:54PM PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE REBUILT LIKE MANHATTAN CASINO.
1:51:58PM I TALKED TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND I KNOW SHE'S INTERESTED
1:52:01PM IN DOING SOMETHING.
1:52:02PM I SPOKE TO CAROLYN COLLINS WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE
1:52:05PM FOUNDATION.
1:52:05PM I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT -- THEY ARE COMING BACK WITH A
1:52:08PM PROPOSAL.
1:52:09PM SINCE THE FOUNDATION OWNS IT, THEY'VE GOT TO GIVE THE CITY A
1:52:12PM PROPOSAL.
1:52:12PM THE CITY PROBABLY COULDN'T FUND ALL OF IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO
1:52:15PM GIVE A PROPOSAL AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO BEFORE ANY OF US
1:52:18PM CAN RESPOND TO IT.
1:52:19PM IF YOU HEAR BEFORE I DO, PLEASE SCHEDULE HER.
1:52:22PM I'M TRYING TO GET HER HERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO TALK ABOUT
1:52:27PM THAT.
1:52:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AND
1:52:31PM HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
1:52:32PM THE COUNTY HAS A SPECIFIC POT IN THEIR ANNUAL BUDGET THAT'S
1:52:36PM DEDICATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THEY GIVE OUT GRANTS
1:52:39PM TO NONPROFITS.
1:52:40PM INCLUDING NONPROFITS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE CITY.
1:52:46PM SO, BILL, ALONG WITH WHAT YOU SUGGESTED, IN FUTURE BUDGETS,
1:52:54PM MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT, SETTING
1:52:58PM ASIDE LET'S SAY FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE A HALF MILLION DOLLARS
1:53:05PM FOR NONPROFITS WHO OWN HISTORIC BUILDINGS BUT CAN'T FIX THEM
1:53:09PM UP, TO DO THAT.
1:53:11PM THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE IN HYDE PARK.
1:53:13PM THERE'S A LITTLE HISTORY BUILDING, HISTORY SOMETHING, TAMPA
1:53:19PM HISTORY CENTER OR SOMETHING.
1:53:21PM THE PETER O. KNIGHT HOUSE, YEAH.
1:53:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S THE ONE THAT EXISTS.
1:53:24PM BECAUSE THE MANSION WAS DEMOLISHED.
1:53:27PM IT'S ON THE WAY THERE, DAVIS ISLAND.
1:53:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SICILIAN CLUB.
1:53:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IT.
1:53:37PM SOME PRIVATE PEOPLE WERE BUYING IT TO RESTORE IT.
1:53:40PM I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONVERSATION WENT.
1:53:41PM I KNOW THERE WAS INTEREST IN IT FROM PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS.
1:53:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT SOMETIMES SOME OF THESE GROUPS, THE
1:53:48PM PETER O. KNIGHT HOUSE, THEY WERE HAVING ROOF PROBLEMS, AND
1:53:53PM THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, AND THEY WERE SCRIMPING
1:53:57PM AND SAVING FOR 30, 40 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PUT ON A NEW ROOF.
1:53:59PM THOSE WERE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A SMALL
1:54:02PM GRANT PROGRAM TO HELP OUT NONPROFITS TO DO THAT SORT OF
1:54:05PM THING.
1:54:07PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAY YOU WERE TRYING TO GET IN TOUCH
1:54:11PM WITH DR. CAROLYN COLLINS?
1:54:16PM >>BILL CARLSON: -- MESSAGED HER IN THE LAST WEEK TO ASK FOR
1:54:19PM IF THEY WERE READY AND SHE SAID SOON.
1:54:22PM LIKE I SAID, IF YOU HEAR THAT THEY ARE READY BEFORE I DO,
1:54:25PM PLEASE SCHEDULE THEM.
1:54:26PM LOVE TO HAVE THEM COME AND PRESENT TO US.
1:54:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'LL REACH OUT TO HER THIS WEEKEND.
1:54:33PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE ON THIS ITEM?
1:54:35PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN.
1:54:36PM NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 67.
1:54:42PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
1:54:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEING THAT THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
1:54:52PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID WE GET A WRITTEN REPORT ON THIS?
1:54:55PM THIS IS STORMWATER.
1:55:13PM ONE-PAGE REPORT FROM GREGORY HART.
1:55:21PM ANYBODY HAVE THAT HANDY?
1:55:25PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
1:55:30PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN DID IT ARRIVE?
1:55:33PM TODAY, YESTERDAY?
1:55:34PM >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE]
1:55:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TODAY IS THE 5th, RIGHT.
1:55:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE COUNCIL WANTS TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
1:55:40PM WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
1:55:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S ONE PARAGRAPH.
1:55:43PM I'LL READ IT SO EVERYBODY CAN BE INFORMED, IF YOU WISH.
1:55:44PM THE INITIAL REPORT TO COUNCIL WAS PRESENTED IN JUNE AT THE
1:55:46PM REGULAR MEETING AT WHICH TIME STAFF SUBMITTED THE GMP
1:55:51PM FUNDING PRICE AND SET THE WMBE PARTICIPATION GOAL AT 15%.
1:55:55PM THE CONTRACTOR HAS SINCE ISSUED AN NTP JULY 24th AND
1:56:00PM MOBILIZED CASS STREET TO BEGIN WORK, HENCE AS STATED ON THE
1:56:03PM AGENDA REQUEST.
1:56:04PM NEXT UPDATE IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 5th.
1:56:07PM IT'S PREMATURE TO PROVIDE A SUBSTANTIVE REPORT ON THE
1:56:09PM PROJECT SUBCONTRACTOR PARTICIPATION.
1:56:11PM ALL RIGHT.
1:56:11PM SO THEY'LL BE BACK DECEMBER 5th WITH MORE INFORMATION.
1:56:16PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
1:56:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
1:56:20PM NEXT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ITEM 68.
1:56:25PM I INQUIRED WITH YOUR AIDE.
1:56:27PM I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD RETURN AND POTENTIALLY MOVE IT.
1:56:30PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE IT 30 SECONDS.
1:56:33PM YOU PROBABLY READ THE MEMO AND I SPOKE TO GINA GRIMES.
1:56:38PM WE ASKED TO JOIN IN ON THE POTENTIAL LAWSUITS OF PREEMPTION.
1:56:44PM I THINK PENSACOLA ALREADY HAS ONE BEFORE THE COURTS.
1:56:47PM IN BEING FISCALLY PRUDENT AND NOT ENGAGING IN LITIGATION WE
1:56:52PM DON'T NEED TO UNNECESSARILY, GINA'S ADVICE IS THAT WE JUST
1:56:56PM WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE PENSACOLA ONE SAYS FIRST.
1:56:59PM SHE'S PROPOSING WE DO THAT.
1:57:00PM I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
1:57:02PM WE'LL KNOW THE OUTCOME OF IT.
1:57:04PM AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE TREE ACTIVIST, MOST OF SOUTH TAMPA,
1:57:08PM PROBABLY LOTS OF THE REST OF THE CITY ARE VERY CONCERNED
1:57:10PM ABOUT THIS.
1:57:12PM AS SOON AS WE GET THAT COURT RULING, WE'LL KNOW BETTER ABOUT
1:57:16PM HOW TO PROCEED.
1:57:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, AS I'M SURE EVERYBODY READ IN THE
1:57:21PM PAPER, THIS ONE CAME TO FRUITION IN TAMPA A WEEK OR TWO AGO
1:57:27PM AT THE CORNER OF GANDY AND MacDILL, A PROBABLY THAT HAD
1:57:31PM BEEN IN FRONT OF US ON REZONING.
1:57:33PM THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNER BOUGHT IT AND DECIDED TO START
1:57:37PM CUTTING DOWN TREES BECAUSE HE OR SHE THOUGHT THEY COULD
1:57:42PM BASED ON THE PREEMPTION ORDINANCE.
1:57:44PM I KNOW MS. GRIMES AND HER STAFF ARE ALL OVER THE ISSUE.
1:57:47PM I WON'T GET INTO IT ANY FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL
1:57:49PM RAMIFICATIONS BUT I'M SURE WE'LL BE HEARING MORE FROM
1:57:53PM MS. GRIMES ON THAT IN THE FUTURE.
1:58:00PM >>BILL CARLSON: WE COULDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER BUT I THINK
1:58:02PM WE WERE PROBABLY GETTING CALLS FROM THE SAME PEOPLE.
1:58:05PM THE COMMUNITY WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
1:58:08PM STOP IT AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS A
1:58:11PM QUASI-JUDICIAL ISSUE AND ALSO BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL CITY
1:58:18PM ENFORCEMENT OF CODE.
1:58:18PM BUT ANYWAY, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT
1:58:25PM COMES BACK AT SOME POINT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PENSACOLA
1:58:28PM RULING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
1:58:30PM IF THEY HAVE AN ARBORIST WHO APPROVES TEARING IT DOWN, I
1:58:33PM DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING, BUT FOR THE ONES THAT
1:58:35PM ARE NOT SEEN AS BEING DAMAGED AT ALL, MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT
1:58:41PM ADDITIONAL FINES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
1:58:44PM MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE CAN TALK TO LEGAL AND GET AN ANSWER
1:58:47PM ON THAT.
1:58:48PM THE COMMUNITY WANTS US TO INCREASE WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT WE
1:58:52PM CAN.
1:58:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW I SHARE EVERYBODY'S DISAPPOINTMENT WHEN
1:58:57PM THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THIS.
1:58:58PM WHEN FOLKS SAY THAT YOU'RE PROENVIRONMENT AND YOU SIGN
1:59:02PM LEGISLATION LIKE THIS, I THINK THAT'S EVIDENCE OF A
1:59:05PM CONTRARY.
1:59:06PM FOR WHATEVER THAT COUNTS.
1:59:07PM NEXT, 69, MR. SHELBY.
1:59:10PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
1:59:13PM COUNCIL.
1:59:13PM THIS WAS A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO, AND AFTER HEARING
1:59:18PM COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS THAT THEY PREFER TWO TWO-HOUR SESSIONS
1:59:26PM IN ORDER TO MEET THE FOUR-HOUR REQUIREMENT, I'M PROPOSING
1:59:28PM THAT TWO MEETINGS BE SET TO FOLLOW YOUR CRAs IN OCTOBER,
1:59:32PM NOVEMBER.
1:59:33PM LET'S SAY WE COULD SET THAT AT 10 A.M. ON THURSDAY,
1:59:35PM OCTOBER 10th FOR AN ETHICS LAW PRESENTATION.
1:59:38PM AND THEN TO COME BACK THE FOLLOWING MONTH AFTER THE CRA AT
1:59:41PM 10 A.M. ON THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14th TO DO PUBLIC RECORDS
1:59:46PM AND PUBLIC MEETINGS LAW PRESENTATION.
1:59:48PM BOTH TO RUN TWO HOURS, NO MORE, ABSOLUTELY, AND THE OTHER
1:59:52PM THING IS, I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE CITY
1:59:54PM ATTORNEY, GINA GRIMES ABOUT THIS.
1:59:58PM I'M ABLE TO APPLY FOR CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION CREDIT FOR
2:00:04PM ANY ATTORNEYS WHO WILL BE ATTENDING.
2:00:06PM SO, THEREFORE, MS. GRIMES, IF ALL GOES WELL, WILL EXTEND THE
2:00:10PM INVITATION TO HAVE MEMBERS OF HER STAFF TO BE PRESENT SO
2:00:13PM THEY CAN GET AT NO COST CLE CREDIT FOR HEARING THE SAME
2:00:17PM PRESENTATION THAT YOU WILL BE HEARING.
2:00:19PM I WILL WORK WITH THE FLORIDA BAR TO MAKE SURE THAT'S
2:00:21PM APPROVED.
2:00:21PM IF THIS IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION.
2:00:25PM OTHERWISE I'M ENTERTAINING WHATEVER DIRECTION COUNCIL GIVES
2:00:27PM ME.
2:00:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION AS TO WHAT
2:00:31PM MR. SHELBY HAS SAID OF OCTOBER 10th AND OCTOBER 14 AFTER
2:00:36PM THE CRA MEETINGS, IF EVERYONE COULD JUST CONFIRM THAT
2:00:39PM THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON THOSE DAYS.
2:00:43PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OCTOBER 10 AND NOVEMBER 14.
2:00:45PM TWO HOURS AFTER THE NEXT TWO CRAs, AFTER SEPTEMBER.
2:00:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORESEEABLE.
2:00:53PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
2:00:56PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
2:00:57PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:00:58PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:00:59PM NEXT INFORMATION REPORTS.
2:01:00PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
2:01:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL BE REALLY UPSET BUT
2:01:08PM I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE ON THE 19th, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE A
2:01:12PM MUCH FASTER MEETING.
2:01:14PM I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO BE UP AT THE ULI CONFERENCE TRYING TO
2:01:21PM GET WISE.
2:01:22PM WITH THAT SAID, I HAD TWO STAFF REPORTS ON THE 19th.
2:01:29PM THE FIRST TWO LISTED ONE ABOUT GREEN BUILDING AND THE NEXT
2:01:32PM ONE ABOUT UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.
2:01:35PM I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THOSE TWO STAFF REPORTS
2:01:39PM BEFORE DEFERRED FROM THE 19th, A COUPLE OF WEEKS, UNTIL
2:01:47PM THE NEXT REGULAR SESSION, WHICH IS THE OCTOBER 3rd.
2:01:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
2:01:52PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
2:01:55PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:01:56PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:01:57PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:02:00PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
2:02:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
2:02:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE GONE, CAN YOU PLEASE
2:02:08PM SEND US YOUR MOTIONS IN ADVANCE?
2:02:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND MY QUESTIONS.
2:02:13PM THANK YOU, BILL.
2:02:15PM ONE OTHER COMMENT ON MY LIST IS -- I WANTED KRISTEN TO BE
2:02:21PM HERE BUT I'M SURE SHE'S LISTENING, IF WE HAVEN'T STATED
2:02:23PM ALREADY, IT APPEARS TO ME KRISTIN MORA, OUR EXCELLENT
2:02:27PM ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, WILL, UNFORTUNATELY, BE LEAVING US,
2:02:30PM GOING TO TECO, I THINK.
2:02:32PM IT'S OUR LOSS AND THEIR GAIN.
2:02:35PM SHE'S DONE A GREAT JOB WITH JOE AND MYSELF AND THE OTHERS AT
2:02:39PM VRB AND HER PRESENCE HERE AT COUNCIL AND OTHER BOARDS THAT
2:02:43PM SHE SERVES.
2:02:44PM BEST OF LUCK TO KRISTIN MORA.
2:02:46PM THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORK.
2:02:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
2:02:48PM COUNCILMAN GUDES?
2:02:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING.
2:02:52PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
2:02:54PM ABC GULF COAST CHAPTER IS CELEBRATING THEIR 50th
2:02:59PM ANNIVERSARY.
2:02:59PM AS A RESULT, THEY ARE HOLDING A CELEBRATION ON THE 13th OF
2:03:04PM THIS MONTH.
2:03:05PM I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THEM ON BEHALF OF
2:03:09PM CITY COUNCIL THAT WILL BE PRESENTED AT THEIR GALA ON THE
2:03:12PM 13th.
2:03:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
2:03:15PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:03:16PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:03:17PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:03:19PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOTHING FURTHER, MR. CHAIR.
2:03:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
2:03:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOTHING, SIR.
2:03:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:03:26PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE ABLE TO ADD A WORKSHOP IN NOVEMBER?
2:03:30PM ARE WE ABLE TO KEEP FILLING UP OCTOBER 24th?
2:03:34PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
2:03:35PM YOUR RULES DO ALLOW FOR YOU TO ADD MEETINGS IF IT'S
2:03:39PM COUNCIL'S TRUST.
2:03:40PM YOU CONTROL THE CALENDAR, ULTIMATELY.
2:03:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE HAVE A WORKSHOP IN NOVEMBER.
2:03:45PM THE NEXT ONE AFTER OCTOBER 24th IS JANUARY 20th OR
2:03:49PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
2:03:50PM I'LL LET YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT.
2:03:58PM YOU ALL PROBABLY SAW THE MAYOR'S NOTE ABOUT WATER.
2:04:02PM I PERSONALLY THANKER AND JOHN BENNETT AND THE TEAM FOR THEIR
2:04:08PM EFFORTS OF COLLEGIALITY ON THAT.
2:04:10PM ONE THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, MAYBE YOU ALL HAVE MET WITH
2:04:13PM THEM INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WHETHER YOU HAVE OR NOT, I THINK IT
2:04:16PM WOULD BE WORTH HAVING TAMPA BAY WATER AND S.W.F.W.M.D. COME
2:04:19PM GIVE US A PRESENTATION AND WORKSHOP JUST ABOUT THEIR PLANS
2:04:22PM FOR WATER SUPPLY FOR THE FUTURE SO WE KNOW THE REGIONAL
2:04:26PM CONTEXT.
2:04:26PM I WOULD MOVE THAT WE GET A PRESENTATION FROM TAMPA BAY WATER
2:04:30PM AND S.W.F.W.M.D. ON OCTOBER 24th WORKSHOP ON THEIR PLANS
2:04:35PM FOR A REGIONAL SUPPLY.
2:04:38PM >> SECOND.
2:04:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE CALENDAR,
2:04:41PM OCTOBER 24th --
2:04:47PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT LOOKS LIKE COUNCIL IS VERY UNUSUAL,
2:04:49PM BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO YOUR WORKSHOP ITEMS, YOU HAVE FIVE
2:04:52PM ITEMS LISTED AS STAFF REPORTS.
2:04:55PM SO THAT LOOKS LIKE A TOTAL OF FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE,
2:05:00PM TEN, ELEVEN -- TEN ITEMS IT LOOKS LIKE PLUS THREE
2:05:04PM COMMENDATIONS FOR OCTOBER 24th.
2:05:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STAFF DOESN'T SHOW UP, DOESN'T MATTER
2:05:10PM BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TWO MINUTES.
2:05:13PM >> BURN.
2:05:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: REMINDING COUNCIL THAT WITH THAT ON
2:05:19PM OCTOBER 24th, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD PROBABLY GO INTO
2:05:22PM THE AFTERNOON THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, YOU ALSO HAVE A
2:05:25PM 6 P.M. MEETING THAT NIGHT ON OCTOBER 24th.
2:05:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: CAN WE LOOK AT NOVEMBER?
2:05:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE ARE NO WORKSHOPS BECAUSE OF COUNCIL'S
2:05:34PM HOLIDAY SCHEDULE.
2:05:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: CAN WE HAVE THIS AS A PRESENTATION?
2:05:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON A REGULAR MEETING?
2:05:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, EXCLUDING OCTOBER 24th.
2:05:44PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SCHEDULE FOR A TIME CERTAIN.
2:05:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: SURE, IF YOU CAN.
2:05:49PM WHAT DATE CAN YOU DO IT?
2:05:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW SOON DO YOU WANT.
2:05:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: AS SOON AS WE CAN.
2:05:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S UP TO THEIR SCHEDULE.
2:05:57PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE PUT IT A MONTH OUT --
2:06:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE OCTOBER.
2:06:02PM YOU HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS ON OCTOBER 3rd, OCTOBER 17th
2:06:06PM AND OCTOBER 24th IS THE WORKSHOP.
2:06:10PM >>LUIS VIERA: HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER 7?
2:06:13PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT LOOKS LIGHT.
2:06:15PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
2:06:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK COUNCILMAN CITRO --
2:06:22PM EVERYONE AMENABLE?
2:06:23PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:06:25PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
2:06:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:06:27PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:06:28PM ANYTHING ELSE?
2:06:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS IT THEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE
2:06:32PM COUNCIL MEMBER WHO MAKES THE MOTION TO MAKE SURE THE
2:06:34PM SPEAKERS ARE INFORMED AND THEY WILL ATTEND.
2:06:37PM >> I WOULD ASSUME SO.
2:06:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT A TIME CERTAIN?
2:06:46PM >>LUIS VIERA: NOVEMBER 7th --
2:06:48PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU PRESENTLY HAVE NO COMMENDATIONS AT THAT
2:06:52PM POINT EITHER.
2:06:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF THEY WISH TO DO IT -- HOW LONG DO YOU
2:06:56PM ANTICIPATE THIS WOULD BE?
2:06:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: LESS THAN 30 MINUTES.
2:07:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: MORE THAN 20?
2:07:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: 20 TO 30 MINUTES.
2:07:06PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES THAT INCLUDE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
2:07:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE PRESENTATION ITSELF IS 20 MINUTES?
2:07:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW.
2:07:13PM THEY PROBABLY COULD DO A FIVE-MINUTE VERSION IF YOU WANT.
2:07:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M WILLING.
2:07:18PM I KNOW YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
2:07:20PM I'M WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
2:07:23PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
2:07:24PM LET'S DO IT -- WE CAN PROBABLY DO IT DURING STAFF REPORTS, I
2:07:28PM THINK, AND THEN IF WE -- HOW ABOUT THIS?
2:07:32PM CHECK WITH THEM ON WHAT IS THE BEST TIME FOR TAMPA BAY WATER
2:07:35PM AND THEN YOU CAN COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH A TIME CERTAIN, SO
2:07:38PM WE CAN HAVE THAT DATE SET ASIDE -- THAT'S LESS CONFUSING.
2:07:43PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS.
2:07:45PM WE TALKED ABOUT NAMING COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TALKED
2:07:51PM ABOUT MAYBE NAMING A ROAD AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA.
2:07:55PM ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW THAT HADN'T BEEN NAMED YET IS WATER
2:07:57PM WORKS PARK.
2:07:59PM ARE WE ALLOWED TO NAME THINGS OR WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?
2:08:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE SEEN NORMALLY IN MY EXPERIENCES THAT
2:08:09PM COMES FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:08:10PM FOR INSTANCE, THE NAMING OF A FACILITY NAMED AFTER, IN HONOR
2:08:17PM OF FORMER MAYOR IORIO, THAT WAS ADMINISTRATIVE.
2:08:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: DOES CITY COUNCIL --
2:08:29PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN POLICIES WITH
2:08:31PM REGARD TO WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES AND WHAT KIND OF
2:08:36PM STRUCTURES.
2:08:36PM MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ASK FOR AN UPDATE ON THE
2:08:42PM POLICIES OR WHAT THE PROCESS IS PARTICULARLY TO WHAT
2:08:44PM STRUCTURE BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
2:08:45PM COUNCIL COULD ALWAYS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND ASK FOR A
2:08:48PM STAFF REPORT.
2:08:48PM >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME THROW THIS OUT.
2:08:50PM DENA GROSS LEAVENGOOD PASSED AWAY.
2:08:53PM HER SERVICE IS ON SUNDAY.
2:08:54PM SHE WAS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST WHO IN PARTICULAR WORKED ON
2:08:58PM WATER ISSUES.
2:08:59PM WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT NOW, TO NAME A WATER PARK AFTER
2:09:04PM SOMEBODY WHO WAS A WATER ADVOCATE, AN EXPERT, I THINK WOULD
2:09:07PM BE A NICE THING.
2:09:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE?
2:09:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAKING A MOTION OR IDEA FOR US TO PONDER?
2:09:17PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR OFFICE CAN MAKE INQUIRY AND BRING IT
2:09:20PM BACK TO COUNCIL TO SET A DATE OR YOU CAN ASK FOR A STAFF
2:09:24PM REPORT.
2:09:25PM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN COME BACK WITH A MOTION.
2:09:27PM IF YOU THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, TELL ME NOW.
2:09:31PM OTHERWISE I'LL COME BACK.
2:09:32PM THE LAST ONE, THE REASON I LEFT EARLIER, I WENT TO A MEETING
2:09:37PM OF THE GROUP OF BUSINESS AND OTHER POWERFUL WOMEN, ABOUT
2:09:41PM 300, 400 WOMEN IN ATTENDANCE.
2:09:43PM BUT THEY THANKED US FOR BEING THE FIRST IN THE REGION TO
2:09:48PM APPROVE THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT RESOLUTION.
2:09:51PM AND THE MAYOR WAS THERE.
2:09:52PM SHE SPOKE WITH MAYOR KRISEMAN.
2:09:54PM THEY ALSO EACH INDIVIDUALLY PASSED RESOLUTIONS FOLLOWING
2:09:56PM OURS.
2:09:56PM THE CITY OF ST. PETE COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION, AND THEN
2:10:00PM TODAY, AN HOUR OR SO AGO, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSION
2:10:03PM PASSED A RESOLUTION 6-0.
2:10:06PM ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR EFFORTS THERE, AND THE
2:10:09PM COMMUNITY THANKS YOU AS WELL.
2:10:16PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T SEE A BAD IDEA.
2:10:18PM I SEE YOU LOOKING FOR RESOLVE.
2:10:22PM LET'S SEE WHAT THE POLICIES ARE, BRING IT BACK AND GO FROM
2:10:28PM THERE.
2:10:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
2:10:33PM OKAY.
2:10:33PM I'M GOING TO PASS THE GAVEL TO COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
2:10:36PM I HAVE TWO.
2:10:37PM IT DEALS WITH IRONICALLY SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE
2:10:40PM JACKSON HOUSE.
2:10:41PM IT'S SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY THAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT IS
2:10:45PM TROUBLING.
2:10:46PM I MOVE FOR STAFF OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSTRUCTION
2:10:49PM SERVICES AND PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN TO PREPARE AND
2:10:52PM DELIVER A REPORT TO US OUTLINING HOW THE JACKSON HOUSE
2:10:55PM LOCATED AT 815 NORTH ZACK IS PROTECTED FROM DAMAGE AND
2:10:58PM INTERFERENCE IN CONNECTION WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF
2:11:01PM ADJACENT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 608 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE,
2:11:04PM BEARING APPLICATION NUMBER DDR 19-07.
2:11:08PM AN ITEM THAT WE APPROVED AT CITY COUNCIL .1 MILES FROM THE
2:11:14PM JACKSON HOUSE.
2:11:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE A DATE?
2:11:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
2:11:19PM I DIDN'T THINK OF A DATE.
2:11:20PM LET'S SET IT OUT -- WE'RE, WHAT, SEPTEMBER 5th TODAY?
2:11:24PM LET'S DO A MONTH.
2:11:27PM OCTOBER 3rd UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
2:11:32PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU WANT A WARM BODY?
2:11:34PM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, YEAH, WE WANT A WARM BODY FOR THIS.
2:11:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN VIERA WITH A SECOND
2:11:40PM FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
2:11:43PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:11:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND THEN SECOND SO THAT WE CAN -- I'M JUST
2:11:47PM GOING TO BE BLUNT, PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM
2:11:50PM HAPPENING, THAT THE STAFF OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND
2:11:53PM PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT TONE SURE THAT STAFF REPORTS FOR
2:11:57PM LAND USE THAT INCLUDES REZONING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DESIGN
2:12:00PM EXCEPTION, VARIANCE APPEAL ET CETERA FOR CITY COUNCIL'S
2:12:03PM CONSIDERATION INCLUDE A SELECTION OUTLINING THE FOLLOWING.
2:12:05PM I'LL GIVE YOU ALL THIS.
2:12:07PM WHETHER ANY STRUCTURES DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK UNDER THE
2:12:11PM LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR LOCATED WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF THE
2:12:13PM PROPERTY THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE STAFF REPORT, AND IF THE
2:12:15PM PROPERTIES ARE SO LOCATED, WHAT MEASURES CAN COUNCIL REQUIRE
2:12:19PM THE APPLICANT TO TAKE TO ENSURE THAT THE LANDMARK IS
2:12:22PM PROTECTED IN CONNECTION WITH PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AND
2:12:24PM DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF
2:12:27PM THE APPLICATION SO THAT WE WILL BE IN NOTICE OF THESE THINGS
2:12:33PM LET'S DO 30 DAYS.
2:12:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL DO THAT FOR OCTOBER 3rd.
2:12:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
2:12:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
2:12:40PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
2:12:41PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:12:42PM ALL RIGHT.
2:12:43PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO --
2:12:47PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KEEP HEARING THIS -- I DON'T USE THE WORD
2:12:51PM SARCASM, BUT I HEAR THE WORD STAFF NOT SHOWING UP.
2:12:55PM MR. SHELBY, IN OUR CHARTER, DOESN'T IT REQUIRE THAT WHEN
2:12:59PM COUNCIL IS LOOKING FOR INFORMATION THAT STAFF COME BEFORE
2:13:07PM COUNCIL TO GIVE INFORMATION?
2:13:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIR, GENERALLY, YES.
2:13:13PM THERE IS DISTINCTION WHEN STAFF IS PRESENT AND COUNCIL IS
2:13:17PM ABOUT TO MAKE A MOTION, THE STAFF WOULD ASK AND INQUIRE --
2:13:23PM IN LIEU OF APPEARANCE FILE A WRITTEN REPORT AND COUNCIL'S
2:13:27PM MOTION THEN USUALLY DOES NOT HAVE THE WORD "APPEAR" IN IT.
2:13:31PM TRADITIONALLY WHEN COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS OR WANTS STAFF TO
2:13:34PM BE ABLE TO MAKE INQUIRY, IT USES THE TERMS THAT YOU'VE SEEN
2:13:37PM TODAY, APPEAR AND PROVIDE A REPORT.
2:13:40PM SPECIFICALLY YOUR QUESTION, SECTION 2.14, INVESTIGATIONS
2:13:43PM SAYS IN THE EXERCISE OF ITS LEGISLATIVE POWERS, THE COUNCIL
2:13:47PM OR ANY SPECIAL COMMITTEE THEREOF SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO
2:13:50PM CONDUCT SUCH INVESTIGATIONS THAT HOLD SUCH HEARINGS AS THE
2:13:52PM COUNCIL SHALL DEEM NECESSARY, EXPEDIENT AND PROPER AND SHALL
2:13:56PM HAVE THE POWER TO COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF WITNESSES IN THE
2:13:58PM PRODUCTION OF EVIDENCE BY THE ISSUANCE OF ALL FORMS OF
2:14:03PM SUBPOENA AND -- I'M READING FROM THE CHARTER VERBATIM -- AND
2:14:07PM SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO PUNISH FOR CONTEMPT BY FINE NOT
2:14:10PM EXCEEDING $100 AND EACH DAY ANY SUCH CONTEMPT SHALL CONTINUE
2:14:14PM SHALL BE DEEMED A SEPARATE OFFENSE.
2:14:17PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS GOING TO MENTION OUR SUBPOENA
2:14:19PM POWER.
2:14:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME
2:14:23PM PEOPLE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHO WERE UP HERE AND
2:14:27PM THEY LEFT THAT SECTION INTACT.
2:14:31PM [ LAUGHTER ]
2:14:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BECAUSE THE SUBPOENA POWER, WE SAT ON THAT,
2:14:38PM ON ME APPLY -- WE LEFT THAT IN AS RELATES TO CITY STAFF.
2:14:42PM SO I THINK MAYBE WE LET STAFF KNOW, MAYBE, MR. CHAIRMAN,
2:14:48PM SEND A LETTER TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT STAFF NEEDS TO HEED
2:14:52PM OUR REQUEST.
2:14:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I DO AGREE THAT SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE
2:14:56PM SAY PLEASE COME AND FOR FOLKS NOT TO COME AND NOT AT LEAST
2:15:00PM TELL US BEFORE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES REQUIRE A
2:15:04PM RESPONSE.
2:15:04PM FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MY -- FOR THE PARKS ONE THAT CAME UP
2:15:08PM EARLIER, SPECIFICALLY ASKED MR. DIAL PLEASE COME BECAUSE I
2:15:10PM WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE.
2:15:13PM I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A RESPONSE.
2:15:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I'M HAPPY TO
2:15:19PM HELP ASSIST YOU IN THE PROCESS, BUT THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND
2:15:24PM IS A MATTER THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS PRIVATELY WITH
2:15:27PM THE CHIEF OF STAFF BECAUSE IF THERE IS A REASON FOR IT
2:15:32PM RELATED TO KEEPING SENIOR STAFF MEMBERS HERE FOR A LONG
2:15:37PM PERIOD OF TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST WAYS OF
2:15:40PM REWORKING YOUR ORDER OF BUSINESS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE
2:15:44PM THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE HARD WORK THEY DO.
2:15:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE TRIED TO DO THAT TODAY.
2:15:48PM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M WORKING ON WITH THE
2:15:50PM ADMINISTRATION.
2:15:51PM I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WISELY BROUGHT THIS UP AS WELL,
2:15:55PM TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING THESE
2:15:58PM TYPE OF ISSUES SO THIS IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT TO HAPPEN.
2:16:03PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST AS A REMINDER, WHEN DO YOU APPROVAL OF
2:16:06PM THE AGENDA AND ADDENDUM, IT IS NOT MINISTERIAL.
2:16:09PM THAT IS THE TIME BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION MONITORS THAT
2:16:12PM BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY GET A SENSE OF WHAT COUNCIL'S ROAD
2:16:16PM MAP FOR THE MEETING IS.
2:16:17PM SO IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES, THAT IT'S CLEAR TO THE
2:16:20PM ADMINISTRATION UP FRONT, AND THEY CAN GOVERN THEIR ACTIONS
2:16:23PM WHILE THEY ARE WATCHING YOU ON TV ACCORDINGLY.
2:16:25PM SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER GIVING THEM
2:16:27PM CLEAR DIRECTION.
2:16:29PM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THE TIME CERTAIN WILL REMEDY THE VAST
2:16:31PM MAJORITY OF THESE.
2:16:33PM I PROMISE AT OUR NEXT AGENDA REVIEW, I'LL ADDRESS THAT WITH
2:16:37PM A TIME CERTAIN.
2:16:38PM TO HAVE THAT SET IN STONE.
2:16:40PM WE DID IT FOR A MAJORITY OF THEM TODAY BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.
2:16:43PM I THINK THAT WILL REMEDY MOST OF THEM.
2:16:45PM OKAY.
2:16:46PM RECEIVE AND FILE.
2:16:46PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND BY
2:16:52PM COUNCILMAN CITRO?
2:16:53PM ANY IN FAVOR?
2:16:54PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:16:55PM COUNCIL ADJOURNED UNTIL 6:00.
2:16:58PM [ADJOURNED]
2:17:02PM
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