CITY OF TAMPA EVENING MEETING
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 2019
6:00 P.M.
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5:50:45PM
6:04:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CREW.
6:04:03PM >>THE CLERK: DINGFELDER?
6:04:07PM GUDES?
6:04:08PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
6:04:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
6:04:10PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
6:04:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
6:04:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
6:04:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
6:04:12PM OKAY.
6:04:13PM WE BEGIN WITH A COMMENDATION.
6:04:15PM AFTER THE COMMENDATION, MR. FERNANDEZ COME FOR THE MATTER
6:04:20PM THAT WE ADDRESSED THIS AFTERNOON AT CITY COUNCIL.
6:04:36PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
6:04:38PM SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW OF THIS PRESTIGIOUS PLACE THAT HAS BEEN
6:04:42PM HERE FOR 70 YEARS.
6:04:44PM AND IT IS A LOCAL BAR CALLED "THE HUB."
6:04:47PM I PERSONALLY HAVE KNOWN SKOOTER, WHO IS ONE OF THE OWNERS
6:04:52PM FOR WELL OVER 40 YEARS.
6:04:55PM I'M SORRY YOUR PROFITS WENT DOWN AFTER I STOPPED DRINKING.
6:04:59PM BUT THE HUB HAS BEEN THERE FOR 70 YEARS.
6:05:03PM AND THESE GENTLEMEN, WHO ARE THE NEW OWNERS, PLUS A THIRD
6:05:06PM WHO IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT, HAVE KEPT THIS TRADITION
6:05:09PM ALIVE.
6:05:10PM I'M SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, AT LEAST ONE TIME
6:05:16PM OF YEAR, GASPARILLA, HAS GONE INTO THE HUB AND ENJOYED THE
6:05:20PM LIBATIONS.
6:05:21PM THIS PLACE IS AN INSTITUTION.
6:05:24PM AND IT HAS SERVED THE COMMUNITY VERY, VERY WELL.
6:05:28PM "SKOOTER" I'M GLAD THAT YOU CARRIED ON THE TRADITION ALONG
6:05:31PM WITH YOUR BUSINESS ASSOCIATES.
6:05:33PM I'D LIKE TO TAKE TWO SECONDS AND READ THIS COMMENDATION THAT
6:05:37PM WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY.
6:05:38PM IN RECOGNITION OF THE HUB'S 70th ANNIVERSARY, TAMPA CITY
6:05:42PM COUNCIL GLADLY JOINS THE COMMUNITY AND THE PATRONS IN SAYING
6:05:47PM "CHEERS" TO 70 YEARS.
6:05:48PM WE THANK YOU FOR BEING THE CORNER BAR THAT HAS GIVEN MANY
6:05:52PM MEMORIES TO A FEW GENERATIONS OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.
6:05:54PM MUSICAL ACTS, DRINKS, AND A PLACE TO UNWIND, THE HUB HAS
6:05:58PM BEEN A MAINSTAY TO DOWNTOWN TAMPA SCENE.
6:06:01PM AND FOR THIS, WE COMMEND YOU.
6:06:04PM WE THANK YOU, MR. MELTON, MR. FOX AND TO THE STAFF FOR
6:06:11PM KEEPING THIS GEM OPEN SO NEW GENERATIONS CAN ENJOY THE
6:06:13PM MYSTIQUE OF THIS FAVORITE CORNER BAR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
6:06:19PM TAMPA COUNCIL CELEBRATES THE MILESTONE WITH YOU AND WISHES
6:06:22PM YOU ANOTHER 70 YEARS -- DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HANG OUT FOR
6:06:26PM 70 YEARS.
6:06:27PM [ LAUGHTER ]
6:06:28PM -- OF AN AMAZING SUCCESS.
6:06:29PM PRESENTED ON THIS DAY, THE 5th DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2019.
6:06:33PM HAVE WE GOT PICTURES HERE?
6:06:37PM ANYBODY GOT A CAMERA?
6:06:38PM PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
6:06:40PM I THOUGHT MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WOULD BE HERE, ESPECIALLY FOR
6:06:45PM THIS AUGUST OCCASION.
6:06:49PM YOU GUYS HOLD THAT.
6:06:52PM I'LL STAND IN THE SCENE.
6:06:58PM [ APPLAUSE ]
6:06:59PM DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
6:07:05PM >> THANK YOU FOR THIS AWARD.
6:07:07PM I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
6:07:11PM OWNED IT FOR 12 YEARS NOW.
6:07:13PM I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THIS.
6:07:15PM THANK YOU ALL.
6:07:15PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
6:07:16PM ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL OR MR. CITRO, ANYTHING FURTHER?
6:07:20PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL AND PUBLIC, YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE
6:07:24PM FRIENDS WITH THE OWNER WHEN THE OWNER CAN KICK YOU OUT OF
6:07:28PM THEIR ESTABLISHMENT WITH A SMILE ON THEIR FACE.
6:07:32PM CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, SKOOTER.
6:07:35PM THANK YOU.
6:07:36PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
6:07:37PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN.
6:07:39PM WE HAD AN ITEM THAT WAS MOVED TO 6:00 THIS EVENING WITH
6:07:44PM MR. FERNANDEZ, IF YOU WISH TO COME FORWARD, SIR.
6:07:49PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: GOOD EVENING.
6:07:51PM DENNIS FERNANDEZ, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW AND HISTORIC
6:07:53PM PRESERVATION MANAGER, HERE TO RESPOND TO YOUR MOTION TO
6:07:57PM PROVIDE A LIST OF THE CURRENTLY UNDESIGNATED, UNPROTECTED
6:08:02PM CIGAR FACTORY BUILDINGS.
6:08:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE YOU GO, MR. FERNANDEZ, WHO MADE THIS
6:08:06PM MOTION?
6:08:06PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
6:08:11PM DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS?
6:08:14PM JUST 45 SECONDS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AS A COURTESY.
6:08:27PM HOW LATE?
6:08:58PM HE REQUESTED IT.
6:09:02PM LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
6:09:03PM GO AHEAD.
6:09:04PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: VERY GOOD.
6:09:05PM I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THE PROJECTOR -- THE
6:09:08PM OVERHEAD.
6:09:10PM CAN YOU SEE THAT ON YOUR MONITOR?
6:09:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
6:09:23PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITHOUT.
6:09:27PM WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THERE REMAINS 23 FACTORY BUILDINGS
6:09:31PM WHICH WERE ONCE USED IN THE MANUFACTURE AND DISTRIBUTION OF
6:09:35PM CIGARS.
6:09:36PM THESE BUILDINGS ARE COMMONLY OF A VERNACULAR I BELIEVE
6:09:41PM EVERYONE IDENTIFIES A RECTANGULAR SHAPED BUILDING ORIENTED
6:09:46PM -- EAST-WEST ORIENTATION.
6:09:47PM THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT WERE USED IN CIGAR
6:09:51PM MANUFACTURING THAT STILL EXIST IN THE CITY THROUGHOUT YBOR
6:09:54PM CITY, THROUGHOUT WEST TAMPA, A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS WERE
6:09:58PM ORIGINALLY UP TO 200 FACTORIES OPERATING AT THE PEAK OF THE
6:10:02PM CIGAR INDUSTRY.
6:10:03PM CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 11 CIGAR FACTORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE
6:10:10PM PROTECTED BY PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
6:10:12PM 11 OF THOSE -- OR 9 OF THOSE, RATHER, ARE PROTECTED THROUGH
6:10:18PM THEIR LOCATION WITHIN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT AND
6:10:22PM TWO OF THEM ARE DESIGNATED AS LOCAL LANDMARK STRUCTURES.
6:10:26PM I HAD PHOTOGRAPHS OF THOSE TO SHOW YOU TODAY.
6:10:31PM I'LL GO AHEAD AND PASS THAT.
6:10:34PM WITHIN THE YBOR CITY NATIONAL LANDMARK DISTRICT, THERE IS
6:10:37PM ONE FACTORY THAT IS WITHIN THE NATIONAL DISTRICT, BUT NOT
6:10:41PM THE LOCAL DISTRICT.
6:10:42PM THAT IS THE PERFECTO GARCIA FACTORY ON 16th STREET.
6:10:47PM AND THEN WITHIN THE WEST TAMPA DISTRICT, THERE ARE
6:10:50PM ADDITIONAL NINE FACTORIES -- OR EIGHT FACTORIES, EXCUSE ME,
6:10:53PM THAT ARE WITHIN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT BUT NOT
6:10:57PM LOCALLY PROTECTED.
6:10:58PM THERE ARE TWO FACTORIES IN THE PALMETTO BEACH NATIONAL
6:11:01PM REGISTER DISTRICT THAT DO NOT HAVE LOCAL DESIGNATION AS
6:11:05PM WELL.
6:11:06PM THOSE ARE THE LA CORINA FACTORY AND SALVADOR RODRIGUEZ
6:11:12PM FACTORY.
6:11:13PM BOTH OF THOSE ARE LOCATED ON 22nd STREET.
6:11:15PM AND ONE IS A FACTORY THAT'S CONSTRUCTED OF LUMBER.
6:11:20PM IT'S ONE OF TWO REMAINING FACTORIES THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED OF
6:11:23PM LUMBER.
6:11:24PM THE SECOND IS LOCATED IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
6:11:28PM AND THEN IN THE CITY OF GARY, THERE IS ONE FACTORY ON 36th
6:11:31PM STREET.
6:11:31PM THE TIERRA DEL LAGO CONSTRUCTED IN 1908.
6:11:36PM THE REMAINDER OF THE FACTORIES AS I MENTIONED ARE EITHER
6:11:39PM SITUATED WITHIN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OF YBOR CITY AND
6:11:42PM THEREBY HAVE PROTECTION OR THEY ARE DESIGNATED AS LOCAL
6:11:45PM LANDMARK STRUCTURES.
6:11:46PM SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
6:11:50PM PROCESSES THAT ARE IN PLACE TO REVIEW BUILDINGS BOTH
6:11:54PM DESIGNATED AND UNDESIGNATED.
6:11:56PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
6:11:57PM ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
6:11:58PM YES, SIR.
6:12:05PM >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY.
6:12:05PM YOU MENTIONED A LOT OF DESIGNATIONS.
6:12:07PM ARE ANY OF THEM -- DO ANY OF THEM HAVE THE NATIONAL HISTORIC
6:12:11PM DESIGNATION LANDMARK?
6:12:13PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I WOULD SAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO
6:12:16PM FACTORIES, THEY ALL HAVE SOME TYPE OF NATIONAL REGISTER OF
6:12:21PM HISTORIC PLACES DESIGNATION.
6:12:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE PURPOSE IN SETTING THIS UP --
6:12:26PM AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WE
6:12:31PM HEARD CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT ONE OF THE FACTORIES
6:12:34PM WAS BEING PAINTED AND THAT THAT MIGHT HURT ITS HISTORIC
6:12:42PM DESIGNATION OR IT MIGHT HURT PRESERVING IT IN THE FUTURE.
6:12:46PM IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD BE DOING, ANY KIND OF
6:12:51PM ORDINANCE WE SHOULD PASS TO PROTECT THESE OR SOME OF THE
6:12:53PM OTHER HISTORIC LANDMARKS?
6:12:55PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: WELL, PARTICULARLY, AS IT APPLIES TO
6:12:58PM REALLY ANY BUILDING WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT'S 50 YEARS
6:13:01PM OR OLDER, IT COULD POTENTIALLY QUALIFY AS A LANDMARK UNDER
6:13:05PM THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCES.
6:13:09PM BUILDINGS THAT LACK LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION, WHETHER THEY
6:13:14PM HAVE NATIONAL REGISTER DESIGNATION OR NOT, ARE VULNERABLE TO
6:13:19PM NOT ONLY DEMOLITION, BUT INAPPROPRIATE MODIFICATIONS SUCH AS
6:13:24PM PAINTING, STUCCOING, OR OTHERWISE, THAT DIMINISH THEIR
6:13:30PM HISTORIC VALUE.
6:13:31PM AND EVENTUALLY THEY COULD RESULT IN THEM NOT BEING
6:13:37PM CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
6:13:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE THERE ANY OTHER RULES OR DESIGNATIONS
6:13:42PM THAT -- OR ORDINANCES YOU THINK WE SHOULD PASS OR PROPOSE
6:13:45PM THAT WOULD HELP PROTECT THEM?
6:13:47PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: WITHIN THE CIGAR FACTORIES THAT ARE
6:13:49PM UNDESIGNATED, THE ONLY WAY TO TRULY PROTECT THOSE STRUCTURES
6:13:53PM IS TO APPLY ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW TO THAT.
6:13:56PM AND THAT IS AFFORDED THROUGH 27-256, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC
6:14:02PM PRESERVATION COMMISSION PROCESS TO LOCALLY DESIGNATE
6:14:07PM STRUCTURES.
6:14:07PM THAT'S THE CITY OF TAMPA PRESERVATION ORDINANCES.
6:14:12PM WHEN THERE ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION,
6:14:15PM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL MAKE A
6:14:18PM RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO PASS LOCAL DESIGNATION ON THOSE
6:14:23PM PROPERTIES.
6:14:24PM AND ONCE THAT DESIGNATION IS APPLIED, THEN ANY EXTERIOR
6:14:27PM MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE PROPERTIES REQUIRE REVIEW THROUGH
6:14:31PM EITHER THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION OR THE BARRIO
6:14:33PM LATINO COMMISSION, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE SITUATED AT.
6:14:37PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
6:14:39PM ONE, WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR HISTORIC?
6:14:42PM WHAT'S THE CRITERIA?
6:14:44PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: WELL, WE MODEL THE CRITERIA THAT IS
6:14:48PM ACTUALLY UTILIZED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
6:14:51PM THERE'S FOUR CRITERION.
6:14:52PM THE FIRST DEALS WITH THE VALUE OF THE ARCHITECTURE.
6:14:56PM THE SECOND IS IF THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS ASSOCIATED
6:14:59PM WITH THE PARTICULAR SITE THAT MAKES THAT OF HISTORIC OR
6:15:06PM CULTURAL VALUE.
6:15:07PM IF IT HAS ARCHAEOLOGICAL VALUE IS ANOTHER CRITERION.
6:15:11PM THE FOURTH CRITERION IS IF IT IS ESSENTIALLY A STRUCTURE OR
6:15:15PM A SITE, OBJECT, THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE HISTORY OF A
6:15:18PM PARTICULAR AREA.
6:15:19PM SO THAT WOULD BE AN ELEMENT WITH THE CIGAR FACTORIES THAT
6:15:23PM WOULD ALSO APPLY IN THEIR ROLE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
6:15:26PM OF THE CITY AND THE CULTURAL HERITAGE THAT RESULTED FROM
6:15:30PM THAT.
6:15:31PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
6:15:32PM THE SECOND QUESTION.
6:15:33PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT.
6:15:35PM I HEARD THERE WAS A RUMOR THAT THE PAINTING OF ONE CIGAR
6:15:39PM FACTORY, IT WAS CHEAPER FOR THEM TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO
6:15:43PM REPOINTING THE BRICK.
6:15:45PM ARE THERE GRANTS OUT THERE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT COULD
6:15:47PM BE OFFERED FOR, SAY, A 50-50 IN REPOINTING A BRICK BUILDING
6:15:52PM OR DOING SOME SORT OF MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS AND UPKEEP OF
6:15:55PM HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE DEEMED HISTORIC ONE WAY OR THE
6:15:57PM OTHER?
6:15:59PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: THERE ARE GRANTS.
6:16:01PM THERE ARE DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF
6:16:04PM GOVERNMENT.
6:16:04PM THERE'S NATIONAL GRANTS, THROUGH THE STATE HISTORIC
6:16:07PM PRESERVATION OFFICE, THERE'S A GRANT PROGRAM THERE.
6:16:11PM LOCALLY, AND WITHIN THE WEST TAMPA AREA, WHERE THE FACTORY
6:16:14PM THAT YOU MENTIONED IS SITUATED, WE HAVE A LOW-INTEREST LOAN
6:16:18PM PROGRAM.
6:16:18PM AND THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A CHALLENGE GRANT WHICH
6:16:23PM ASSISTS WITH A MATCHING GRANT UP TO I BELIEVE $250,000.
6:16:27PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW DO PROPERTY OWNERS GO ABOUT FINDING OUT
6:16:31PM ABOUT THE GRANTS?
6:16:32PM DO WE HAVE THOSE ON OUR WEBSITE, AVENUES OF HOW TO GET THE
6:16:34PM GRANTS?
6:16:35PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: ALL THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE
6:16:38PM ON THE PRESERVATION WEBSITE OF TAMPAGOV.NET/HISTORIC
6:16:41PM PRESERVATION.
6:16:42PM OUR OFFICES ARE THERE TO PROVIDE THE ASSISTANCE TO NAVIGATE
6:16:46PM THE VARIOUS GRANTS, AND WE CAN BE REACHED AT 274-3100,
6:16:53PM OPTION 3.
6:16:54PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: FANTASTIC.
6:16:55PM THANK YOU.
6:16:56PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY COLLEAGUE IS NOT HERE AND HE REALLY
6:16:58PM WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
6:17:00PM I'LL ASK IF YOU PROVIDE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS A COPY OF
6:17:03PM THE ADDRESSES AND LOCATIONS OF ALL THOSE HISTORICAL SITES
6:17:06PM WITH THE CRITERIA SO WE HAVE IT AND MY COLLEAGUE HAS IT AS
6:17:11PM WELL.
6:17:12PM >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: SURE.
6:17:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE?
6:17:13PM THANK YOU.
6:17:15PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
6:17:15PM OKAY.
6:17:17PM NEXT, WE MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
6:17:22PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
6:17:26PM ANY IN FAVOR?
6:17:28PM ANY OPPOSED?
6:17:29PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'LL GO AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
6:17:37PM >> GOOD EVENING, BRAD BAIRD, PUBLIC WORKS ADMINISTRATOR.
6:17:40PM I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP JAN McLEAN FIRST BEFORE I START
6:17:47PM THE PRESENTATION SO SHE CAN EXPLAIN THE PACKAGE THAT WAS
6:17:51PM SUBSTITUTED LAST NIGHT AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD
6:17:55PM NEED TO BE SUBSTITUTED IN TERMS OF EXHIBITS FOR THE NEW OR
6:18:02PM IMPROVED CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WAS IN THE MAYOR'S
6:18:04PM MEMO EARLIER.
6:18:05PM THANK YOU.
6:18:07PM >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS PLEASE HOLD
6:18:10PM ALL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION IS
6:18:13PM DONE SO WE CAN MOVE BEYOND.
6:18:15PM GO AHEAD.
6:18:15PM >>JAN McLEAN: GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
6:18:18PM JAN McLEAN WITH THE OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY.
6:18:20PM AS BRAD INDICATED, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SO THAT YOU KNEW
6:18:24PM WHAT YOU WERE WORKING FROM THIS EVENING.
6:18:26PM I SENT OUT AN E-MAIL LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WITH A
6:18:32PM SUBSTITUTION OF THE RESOLUTION AND THE EXHIBITS IN SUPPORT
6:18:35PM OF THE RESOLUTIONS, ONE FOR WATER, ONE FOR WASTEWATER.
6:18:39PM THOSE ARE THE REVISED EXHIBITS TO REFLECT THE VOTE THAT YOU
6:18:44PM ALL TOOK ON AUGUST 29th DIRECTING STAFF TO REMOVE THE 300
6:18:49PM MILLION FROM THE RATES.
6:18:51PM AND SO THOSE ARE THE REVISED EXHIBITS.
6:18:55PM AS BRAD ALSO INDICATED, THERE'S BEEN WORK DONE AS LATE AS
6:18:59PM TODAY TO REVISE THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
6:19:03PM AND I HAVE A NEW EXHIBIT THAT WILL BE ATTACHED TO BOTH THE
6:19:08PM WATER AND THE WASTEWATER RESO THAT I WILL OFFER AFTER YOU
6:19:13PM GET THE EXPLANATION OF THE DIFFERENCES.
6:19:15PM BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IN
6:19:17PM SUBSTITUTION THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU LAST NIGHT.
6:19:25PM >>BRAD BAIRD: ALL RIGHT.
6:19:26PM WITH THAT, WE'LL GET GOING WITH THE PRESENTATION.
6:19:28PM IS THE PRESENTATION SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC?
6:19:31PM OKAY.
6:19:31PM THANK YOU.
6:19:31PM SO, BEFORE I GET INTO IT, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS A
6:19:37PM WATER MAIN BREAK ON DAVIS ISLAND WE WERE DEALING WITH LAST
6:19:41PM NIGHT STARTING AT ABOUT 6:00.
6:19:43PM IRONICALLY, A PICTURE THAT YOU'LL SEE LATER OF THE DAVIS
6:19:51PM ISLAND -- DAVIS ISLAND FORCE MAIN IS ALONG THIS SAME LINE WE
6:19:59PM JUST FINISHED PUTTING IN.
6:20:01PM AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HELD COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN EACH CITY
6:20:04PM COUNCIL DISTRICT.
6:20:06PM SEVERAL OTHER PUBLIC MEETINGS, PRESENTATIONS AT CITY
6:20:09PM COUNCIL, MEETINGS IN JANUARY AND IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
6:20:12PM ON WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
6:20:16PM TAMPA IS SIMPLY NO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER UTILITIES THROUGHOUT
6:20:20PM THE UNITED STATES.
6:20:22PM WE ARE JUST LIKE OLDER CITIES THAT HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE
6:20:30PM ISSUES.
6:20:31PM THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IS FAILING.
6:20:34PM IT'S AGING.
6:20:35PM AND, IN FACT, SEVERAL PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATIONS THAT GRADE
6:20:40PM INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE COUNTRY GAVE OUR INDUSTRY A D AND
6:20:45PM A D MINUS, WHICH IS NOT VERY GOOD IF YOU'RE TRYING TO
6:20:48PM GRADUATE FROM SCHOOL.
6:20:49PM THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, FIRST, WE'LL SHOW A SHORT VIDEO ON
6:21:03PM THE REALITIES OF FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, GO INTO THE WATER
6:21:07PM MASTER PLANS, THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLANS, THE PROPOSED
6:21:11PM FUNDING SCENARIO FOR THOSE -- FOUR MASTER PLANS, ACTUALLY,
6:21:18PM AND COVER THE NEW CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE
6:21:22PM PROPOSING TONIGHT.
6:21:24PM AND THEN ONE CHANGE ON THE SCHEDULE AT THE VERY LAST SLIDE.
6:21:30PM I WOULD ADD THAT WE HAVE VANESSA McCLEARY HERE TO, AFTER I
6:21:37PM GO THROUGH THE BASICS OF THE PROGRAM, SHE WOULD LIKE TO SAY
6:21:43PM A FEW THINGS ABOUT HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS NOW AND ANSWER ANY
6:21:47PM QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THAT.
6:21:51PM >> YOU'VE SEEN IT ON THE NEWS TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
6:22:06PM >> LARGE WATER MAIN BREAK.
6:22:07PM >> PART OF NORTH 20th STREET IN TAMPA IS SHUT DOWN.
6:22:11PM >> SEVERAL WATER MAIN BREAKS HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND.
6:22:14PM >> THERE ARE MORE THAN A DOZEN BREAKS ACROSS TAMPA.
6:22:16PM >> ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE FACE MULTIPLE
6:22:20PM WATER MAIN BREAKS.
6:22:21PM SINCE JULY 2017, THERE HAVE BEEN NEARLY 2,500 WATER MAIN
6:22:26PM BREAKS, AND THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW DAILY.
6:22:29PM IN 2018 ALONE, THERE WERE 1,201 WATER MAIN BREAKS.
6:22:36PM IN ADDITION, THERE HAVE BEEN NEARLY 1,000 WASTEWATER
6:22:40PM CAVE-INS SINCE JULY 2017.
6:22:43PM WATER MAIN BREAKS AND WATER CAVE-INS OCCUR DUE TO AGING
6:22:48PM PIPES.
6:22:49PM SOME OF THE CITY'S PIPELINES ARE REACHING 100 YEARS OLD.
6:22:51PM EACH BREAK CAN DISRUPT YOUR DAILY LIFE WITH TRAFFIC DELAYS
6:22:55PM DUE TO ROAD CLOSURES, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, AND EVEN
6:22:59PM PROPERTY DAMAGE.
6:23:00PM EVERY YEAR, THE CITY OF TAMPA SPENDS OVER $20 MILLION
6:23:06PM REPAIRING BROKEN PIPES.
6:23:07PM AS THESE BURDENS AND COSTS CONTINUE TO GROW, THE PLAN FOR
6:23:11PM REPLACEMENT AND REHABILITATION BECOMES A NECESSITY.
6:23:14PM THAT'S WHY THE CITY OF TAMPA IS PLANNING AHEAD FOR OUR
6:23:21PM FUTURE WITH PIPES, WE ARE INVESTING IN TAMPA'S TOMORROW BY
6:23:25PM TAKING A PROACTIVE APPROACH TO RENEW OUR INFRASTRUCTURE,
6:23:28PM PREVENT BREAKDOWNS AND PROVIDE LONG-TERM PERMANENT FIXES TO
6:23:31PM OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS.
6:23:33PM OUR 20-YEAR PLAN WILL REPLACE AGING WATER PIPES AND
6:23:37PM REHABILITATE FAILING SEWER PIPES IN PHASES THROUGHOUT EACH
6:23:40PM DISTRICT AND ENSURE SUSTAINABILITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
6:23:43PM CITY OF TAMPA CUSTOMERS HAVE ENJOYED VERY LOW UTILITY RATES
6:23:47PM FOR MANY YEARS.
6:23:49PM APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE AVERAGE BILL IN THE TAMPA BAY
6:23:52PM AREA; HOWEVER, LOWER RATES MEAN THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE
6:23:55PM TO TAKE A MORE SUSTAINABLE AND PROACTIVE APPROACH TO
6:23:58PM PROPERLY INVEST IN OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM.
6:24:01PM THE LONGER WE WAIT TO REPLACE OUR AGING PIPELINES, THE MORE
6:24:06PM EXPENSIVE IT WILL BECOME.
6:24:07PM WE EXPECT TO SPEND $3.2 BILLION OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF
6:24:10PM THIS CRITICAL PROJECT THAT WILL BENEFIT EVERYONE.
6:24:13PM PIPES: INVESTING IN TAMPA'S TOMORROW.
6:24:19PM TO LEARN MORE, VISIT TAMPAGOV.NET/PIPES.
6:24:37PM >>BRAD BAIRD: SO YOU GET THE IDEA.
6:24:45PM WE HAVE WATER MAIN BREAKS EVERYWHERE.
6:24:46PM LIKE I SAID, WE WERE DEALING WITH ONE LAST NIGHT.
6:24:51PM SO I WANT TO -- THAT WAS A LOT ON WATER MAIN BREAKS AND A
6:24:54PM LITTLE BIT ON WASTEWATER CAVE-INS.
6:24:58PM SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF PICTURES OR A FEW
6:25:01PM PICTURES TO COVER THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF THE EQUATION.
6:25:05PM WASTEWATER FAILURES OFTEN DO NOT GET AS MUCH PRESS, BUT THEY
6:25:10PM RESULT IN SERIOUS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES.
6:25:12PM THE FIRST PICTURE THERE ON THE LEFT IS A GARDEN-VARIETY
6:25:19PM CAVE-IN, THAT'S A CAVE-IN, THAT IS A DEPRESSION BECOMING A
6:25:24PM CAVE-IN.
6:25:25PM AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT ACTUALLY HAPPENED A FEW YEARS
6:25:29PM BACK ON SLIGH AVENUE.
6:25:31PM AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT'S BIG ENOUGH TO SWALLOW A CAR.
6:25:34PM AND THEN WE HAVE FORCE MAINS.
6:25:41PM FORCE MAINS ARE PIPELINES THAT ARE NOT GRAVITY LINES, AS THE
6:25:46PM ONES YOU JUST SAW.
6:25:48PM THEY ARE UNDER PRESSURE.
6:25:49PM THEY ARE UNDER A LOWER PRESSURE THAN A WATER LINE, BUT WHEN
6:25:53PM THEY BREAK, WE CAN'T BYPASS THEM.
6:25:56PM AT LEAST REALLY QUICKLY.
6:25:57PM AND SO THEY CONTINUE TO FLOW, CONTINUE TO CAUSE THOSE HEALTH
6:26:02PM PROBLEMS, AND SAFETY ISSUES.
6:26:05PM THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS ON ADAMO DRIVE.
6:26:09PM YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP OF THE PIPE, YOU CAN SEE
6:26:12PM MY CURSOR, IT HAS CORRODED.
6:26:17PM AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS UP AT 131st AVENUE, AND
6:26:23PM ACTUALLY, THIS IS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
6:26:27PM AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS, A 48-INCH PIPE IMPLODED AND
6:26:34PM CAUSED A RIVER OF SEWAGE DOWN THAT ROADWAY, WHICH HAD TO BE
6:26:39PM CLOSED FOR ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF.
6:26:40PM AND THEN THE THIRD PART OF THE EQUATION IS WASTEWATER
6:26:48PM OVERFLOWS.
6:26:49PM THIS ONE ON THE LEFT HAPPENED ON ALLINE STREET JUST TWO
6:26:54PM WEEKS AGO DURING THE HEAVY RAINS.
6:26:56PM YOU CAN SEE BOTH OF THESE OVERFLOWS END UP GOING INTO OUR
6:27:03PM STORM SYSTEM AND DIRECTLY INTO THE BAY AND INTO THE RIVER.
6:27:05PM SO WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF DOING NOTHING?
6:27:14PM THE VIDEO TOUCHED ON THIS, THAT WE'RE SPENDING OVER
6:27:19PM $20 MILLION IN REACTIVE COSTS AND THEY ARE GOING UP.
6:27:22PM FY '18, WE SPENT OVER 12 MILLION REACTING TO WASTEWATER
6:27:29PM CAVE-INS.
6:27:31PM AND THEN IN THAT SAME YEAR, WE SPENT OVER 10 MILLION
6:27:35PM REACTING TO WATER MAIN BREAKS.
6:27:38PM SO IN COMBINATION, WE'RE OVER 20 MILLION A YEAR ON REACTIVE
6:27:44PM COSTS, AND THOSE COSTS ARE GOING UP.
6:27:46PM NOW, THIS SLIDE, THE BLUE SHOWS AVAILABLE CAPITAL --
6:27:57PM AVAILABLE FUNDS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AT EXISTING RATES.
6:28:01PM THE ORANGE SHOWS THE TOTAL 2.9 BILLION DOLLAR MASTER PLAN
6:28:09PM COST.
6:28:11PM WITHOUT THE 300 MILLION IN FOR A NEW ALTERNATIVE WATER
6:28:14PM SUPPLY SOURCE.
6:28:15PM INCLUDING TAP.
6:28:20PM INCLUDING TAP.
6:28:20PM AS THE MAYOR PUT IN THE MEMORANDUM.
6:28:23PM THEN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LAST HURRAH IS THIS YEAR.
6:28:31PM WE'RE ABLE TO USE RESERVES AND REVENUES TO TAKE CARE OF
6:28:36PM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR, BUT AFTER THAT, WE QUICKLY
6:28:43PM RUN OUT OF MONEY AND ESSENTIALLY RUN OUT OF MONEY BY 2025,
6:28:49PM AND AT THAT POINT, WE GET DANGEROUSLY LOW, HAVE TO START
6:28:57PM DIPPING INTO RESERVES, CONTINUE TO FALL FURTHER BEHIND, AND
6:29:00PM I WOULD SAY THIS IS SIMPLY NOT SUSTAINABLE.
6:29:06PM ALL RIGHT.
6:29:11PM GETTING INTO THE MASTER PLANS.
6:29:12PM FIRST, WE HAVE TWO PRIMARY MASTER PLANS FOR WASTEWATER.
6:29:16PM ONE FOR THE DAVID L. TIPPIN WATER TREATMENT FACILITY AND
6:29:20PM PUMPING STATIONS.
6:29:21PM AND ONE FOR THE PIPELINES OUT IN THE STREETS.
6:29:27PM OR I SHOULD SAY UNDER THE STREETS.
6:29:29PM SO I WANT TO REMIND YOU HERE THAT ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE
6:29:34PM SHOWS THE SERVICE AREA OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
6:29:37PM AS YOU CAN SEE, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR CUSTOMERS LIVE
6:29:42PM OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
6:29:45PM FOR THE WATER CUSTOMERS, IT'S 24%.
6:29:53PM I WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TOO
6:29:55PM READILY KNOWN BY OUR CUSTOMERS AND OUR CITIZENS.
6:30:00PM THIS SLIDE REALLY TELLS THE STORY.
6:30:05PM AFTER WORLD WAR II, WE REALLY STARTED PUTTING IN A LOT OF
6:30:12PM PIPE.
6:30:12PM IN THE 1940s, ABOUT A HUNDRED MILES, 270 MILES IN THE
6:30:19PM 1950s.
6:30:20PM WELL, THOSE 1940s PIPES ARE 80 YEARS OLD, AND THAT'S NOT
6:30:25PM COUNTING BETWEEN 1900 AND 1930 WHERE WE HAVE ABOUT 50 MILES
6:30:30PM OF PIPE THAT ARE APPROACHING OR SLIGHTLY EXCEEDING A HUNDRED
6:30:37PM YEARS OLD.
6:30:38PM WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT.
6:30:42PM WHAT HAPPENS IS, WE'VE NOW HIT THIS HUMP OF MORE AND MORE
6:30:49PM PIPE BEING PUT IN THAT'S REACHING THE END OF ITS USEFUL
6:30:54PM LIFE.
6:30:54PM AND THE LAST TEN YEARS -- THE OTHER THING THIS GRAPH SAYS IS
6:30:58PM THE LAST TEN YEARS WE'VE BEEN REPLACING VERY LITTLE WATER
6:31:04PM PIPE.
6:31:04PM I DID TOTAL UP SOME NUMBERS ON THE MILES OF PIPE UP TO 1960,
6:31:14PM AND IT TOTALS UP TO 420 MILES OF PIPE THAT WE NEED TO START
6:31:18PM DOWN THE ROAD OF REPLACING.
6:31:20PM OKAY.
6:31:25PM WATER MAIN BREAKS.
6:31:27PM THEY ARE ON THE RISE.
6:31:28PM I TRIED TO MAKE THIS SLIDE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR THAN WHAT WE
6:31:32PM HAD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, AS YOU CAN SEE.
6:31:36PM BUT THE FREQUENCY IS INCREASING.
6:31:39PM IT'S TRIPLED OR ALMOST TRIPLED FROM GOING FROM OCTOBER 15 UP
6:31:45PM TO SEPTEMBER 18.
6:31:50PM AND IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBER OF MAIN BREAKS TRIPLING, THE
6:31:56PM SIZE AND COST OF THE MAIN BREAKS ARE TRIPLING.
6:32:00PM AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU SEE SPIKES ABOUT ONCE A YEAR.
6:32:06PM THIS JANUARY -- THIS IS JANUARY 17.
6:32:10PM JANUARY 16.
6:32:11PM WE HAD 113.
6:32:13PM AND THEN WE REALLY HAD A BAD JANUARY IN 2018.
6:32:17PM WHAT HAPPENS IS, THAT'S OUR COLDEST MONTH OF THE YEAR.
6:32:24PM AS IT TURNS OUT, OUR WATER HAS A LARGE RANGE OF TEMPERATURE
6:32:29PM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
6:32:31PM IT BOTTOMS OUT AT 49 DEGREES.
6:32:33PM IT TOPS OUT AT 91 DEGREES.
6:32:35PM AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE COLD WATER, IT TENDS TO CONTRACT THOSE
6:32:40PM PIPELINES AND PULL APART THE JOINTS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT
6:32:44PM EXPANDS WHEN THE WATER HEATS UP IN THE SPRING AND THE
6:32:47PM SUMMERTIME.
6:32:48PM WELL, THAT MIGHT NOT SEEM LIKE A BIG DEAL, BUT IF IT HAPPENS
6:32:54PM EVERY YEAR FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, THAT WEARS ON THE PIPE.
6:33:01PM IT STRESSES THE PIPE TO THE POINT WHERE IT FINALLY BREAKS.
6:33:04PM AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT -- A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE DO HAPPEN
6:33:12PM IN THAT JANUARY-FEBRUARY TIME FRAME.
6:33:15PM I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT SLIDE.
6:33:22PM LET'S MOVE OVER TO THE WASTEWATER SIDE WHERE THEY ALSO HAD
6:33:28PM TWO MASTER PLANS.
6:33:29PM ONE FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT AND PUMPING STATIONS AND ONE FOR
6:33:34PM OUR PIPELINE SYSTEM.
6:33:37PM AND THEIR SERVICE AREA ALSO GOES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS
6:33:41PM INTO UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
6:33:43PM THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CITY CITIZENS OR CITY CUSTOMERS,
6:33:52PM AMOUNTS TO A LITTLE LESS THAN THE WATER SIDE.
6:33:55PM IT'S 20% INSTEAD OF 24.
6:33:57PM SO WE HAVE ONE TREATMENT PLANT.
6:34:01PM LOCATED DOWN ON HOOKER'S POINTE, THAT HAS THE CAPACITY OF 96
6:34:09PM MILLION GALLONS A DAY, WHICH IS A BIG DEAL.
6:34:14PM BECAUSE OTHER UTILITIES ACROSS THE STATE ARE AT CAPACITY OR
6:34:17PM NEARING CAPACITY AT THEIR TREATMENT PLANT.
6:34:21PM OUR PLANT ON AVERAGE DISCHARGES ABOUT 60 MILLION GALLONS A
6:34:25PM DAY, 55 TO 60 DEPENDING ON THE YEAR.
6:34:28PM SO WHEN WE HAVE THESE RAINS, THIS TREATMENT PLANT CAN HANDLE
6:34:33PM A HYDRAULIC CAPACITY OF 221 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
6:34:37PM SO THAT GIVES US A BIG ADVANTAGE.
6:34:41PM OUR FOREFATHERS AND FORE-ENGINEERS, I SHOULD SAY, PLANNED
6:34:45PM AHEAD FOR US WELL THERE.
6:34:46PM SO -- AND THEN ON THE PIPELINE SIDE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO
6:34:59PM THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
6:35:00PM SO THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT, TOTAL OF WELL
6:35:09PM OVER A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
6:35:11PM I WOULD POINT OUT THAT JUST IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS,
6:35:15PM $254 MILLION.
6:35:21PM THAT -- JUST TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE, THAT IS JUST
6:35:27PM SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THE $251 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN OUR
6:35:30PM STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
6:35:32PM THAT'S ENTIRE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
6:35:38PM THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.
6:35:42PM IT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF WHAT
6:35:48PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
6:35:49PM ON THE GRAVITY PIPELINE, WE ARE GOING UP SIMILAR TO WATER
6:35:56PM MAIN BREAKS.
6:35:57PM WE HAVE 60% OF OUR SYSTEM IS GREATER THAN 50 YEARS OLD, AND
6:36:03PM WE HAVE ONE-FIFTH OF OUR SYSTEM THAT'S GREATER THAN 70 YEARS
6:36:07PM OLD.
6:36:08PM SO ONE-FIFTH OF THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM IS OLDER THAN THE HUB,
6:36:17PM AS I JUST HEARD.
6:36:18PM OKAY.
6:36:24PM GRAVITY PIPELINE MASTER PLAN, WE SPLIT IT UP INTO PRIORITY
6:36:27PM ONE AND PRIORITY TWO PROJECTS.
6:36:29PM PRIORITY ONE PROJECTS ARE SHOWN IN RED ON THE RIGHT-HAND
6:36:32PM SIDE.
6:36:33PM PRIORITY TWO SHOWN IN YELLOW.
6:36:36PM TOTAL OVER 700 MILES OF PIPELINE.
6:36:39PM I WANTED TO SHOW THESE PICTURES.
6:36:45PM THIS IS THE INSIDE OF A VITRIFIED CLAY PIPELINE THAT IS IN
6:36:49PM GOOD SHAPE.
6:36:51PM THIS IS A PIPELINE THAT DID NOT MAKE THE LIST OF PRIORITY
6:36:54PM ONE AND TWO PIPELINES.
6:36:56PM AND IT WAS PUT IN A LITTLE LATER THAN THE TIME PERIODS I
6:37:01PM SHOWED YOU EARLIER.
6:37:02PM THIS IS A FAILED PIPELINE, THE BOTTOM PICTURE.
6:37:04PM THAT PIPELINE AT THE STREET SURFACE, YOU'LL SEE A DEPRESSION
6:37:13PM TO START WITH AND THEN THAT WILL BECOME A CAVE-IN AND THEN
6:37:18PM YOU HAVE A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE
6:37:20PM TO GET IN AND MAKE A POINT REPAIR.
6:37:22PM THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE HERE IS THAT THESE PIPELINES
6:37:27PM ARE RESTORED USING AN AVERSION LINER TECHNIQUE, WHERE YOU
6:37:32PM PUT IN AN EPOXY RESIN LINER, SAW THROUGH THE MANHOLES, FROM
6:37:37PM MANHOLE TO MANHOLE, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TEAR UP THE
6:37:41PM STREETS TO DO THIS.
6:37:42PM SO WE USED TO REPLACE THESE PIPELINES IN PLACE.
6:37:47PM THE INVERSION LINER METHOD IS ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT IT COSTS
6:37:51PM TO REPLACE IN PLACE.
6:37:53PM WE TELEVISE ALL OF OUR GRAVITY PIPELINES ONCE EVERY SEVEN
6:37:57PM YEARS.
6:37:58PM WE HAVE A FLEET OF TV TRUCKS THAT DO THAT.
6:38:05PM THEY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOCUMENTING EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT
6:38:08PM OF PIPE AND RATING IT ON CONDITION AND ON CONSEQUENCES OF
6:38:11PM FAILURE AND SOME OTHER CRITERIA AS WELL TO DETERMINE WHICH
6:38:16PM PIPELINES DO WE LINE FIRST, YOU KNOW, SECOND, AND DOWN TO
6:38:19PM THE HUNDREDS.
6:38:22PM AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WE ALSO HAVE OVER A
6:38:26PM HALF BILLION DOLLARS IN NEED IN THIS AREA.
6:38:30PM THEN WE HAVE WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS, SMALL, MEDIUM, AND
6:38:36PM LARGE.
6:38:36PM PUMPING STATIONS.
6:38:41PM WE HAVE ABOUT 225 PUMPING STATIONS.
6:38:44PM SO THEY HAVE A 20-YEAR LIFE ON THEIR EQUIPMENT.
6:38:49PM SO ROUGHLY WE SHOULD BE REHABILITATING 11 PUMPING STATIONS A
6:38:55PM YEAR.
6:38:56PM AND WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR REHABILITATING 11 A YEAR.
6:39:00PM BUT, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE TO THE PIPELINE AND THE TREATMENT
6:39:05PM PLANT WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT'S LESS COSTLY, WE HAVE -- THIS IS
6:39:12PM THE KRAUSE STREET PUMPING STATION IN THE UPPER RIGHT THAT WE
6:39:17PM JUST FINISHED REHABILITATING FOR ABOUT $7 MILLION.
6:39:19PM WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS ONE IN TIME, PUT IN NEW PUMPS, PUT
6:39:24PM IN NEW CONTROL PANELS UP HERE AND PUT IT BACK ONLINE.
6:39:31PM THIS ONE IS LOCATED BETWEEN THE RIVERWALK AND THE CONVENTION
6:39:35PM CENTER, AND IT'S AN OLD SPANISH BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN
6:39:39PM 1950.
6:39:40PM THE ONE ON THE LEFT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET TO ON
6:39:45PM TIME.
6:39:45PM IT FAILED.
6:39:47PM WE HAD TWO PUMPS FAIL HERE, AND HAD A WASTEWATER OVERFLOW
6:39:52PM THAT WENT INTO THE RIVER.
6:39:54PM WASTEWATER FORCE MAINS.
6:40:02PM THESE ARE -- SORRY ABOUT THAT.
6:40:04PM THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT KILL UTILITIES ACROSS THE UNITED
6:40:12PM STATES.
6:40:14PM THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO REPAIR.
6:40:19PM I SAID IT EARLIER, YOU CAN'T BYPASS THEM.
6:40:24PM SO THE PICTURE UP TOP HERE IS ACTUALLY NOT THAT OLD OF A
6:40:28PM PIPELINE, BUT IT WAS CORRODED BY HYDROGEN SULFIDE GAS.
6:40:34PM HYDROGEN SULFIDE GAS COMBINES WITH WATER, IT MAKES SULFURIC
6:40:39PM ACID.
6:40:40PM SULFURIC ACID EATS THESE OLD PIPELINES UP.
6:40:43PM NOW WE REPLACE FORCE MAINS WITH PLASTIC PIPE.
6:40:48PM THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON A DAVIS ISLAND FORCE MAIN THAT
6:40:52PM FAILED, AND WE HAD A LEAK RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHANNEL THAT WE
6:40:59PM HAD TO TRY TO DIG DOWN AND FIX.
6:41:02PM IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
6:41:04PM WE HAD TO REPLACE THE DAVIS ISLAND PIPELINE UNDER EMERGENCY
6:41:06PM ORDER.
6:41:07PM ONCE AGAIN, REACTIVE COSTS ARE DOUBLE IF YOU CAN PLAN IT.
6:41:16PM IN THAT CASE, THE BROKEN WATER LINE LAST NIGHT, WE COULD
6:41:18PM HAVE REPLACED THIS FORCE LINE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE OLDER
6:41:22PM WATER LINE ON THE SAME STREET AND SAVED A CONSIDERABLE
6:41:25PM AMOUNT OF MONEY.
6:41:25PM SO OUR NEEDS ARE CLOSING IN ON A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR
6:41:29PM FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENTS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
6:41:34PM I WILL SAY THE GOOD NEWS FOR FORCE MAIN REPLACEMENTS IS
6:41:38PM YOU'RE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LAST 150 TO 200 FEET,
6:41:42PM FOR THE MOST PART, OF THAT FORCE MAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN
6:41:45PM IT BECOMES GRAVITY AND DISCHARGES INTO THE SYSTEM.
6:41:48PM COORDINATING WITH THE MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS
6:41:59PM THAT WE HAVE.
6:42:02PM AND THAT INCLUDES ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION THAT WE'LL
6:42:04PM HOPEFULLY GET.
6:42:05PM WATER, WASTEWATER, STORMWATER, AND THE STREETCAR EXPANSION.
6:42:08PM WE'VE BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION A LOT.
6:42:12PM WE STARTED ADDRESSING THIS OVER HALF A YEAR AGO WITH THE
6:42:17PM CHIEF ENGINEERS AND THE DIRECTORS IN THESE DEPARTMENTS OF
6:42:21PM HOW DO WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN?
6:42:22PM THIS IS A LOT OF WORK.
6:42:24PM IN TOTAL WITH ALL THESE PROGRAMS, IT'S ABOUT $4.4 BILLION.
6:42:28PM NOW I GUESS IT'S ABOUT $4.1 BILLION WITH THE 300 MILLION
6:42:33PM SUBTRACTED.
6:42:34PM SO WE ARE NEXT GOING TO START MEETING AND ACTUALLY WE HAD
6:42:40PM OUR FIRST ONE ALREADY, WITH THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION
6:42:43PM DEPARTMENT.
6:42:44PM HOW DO WE PACKAGE AND GET THIS DONE SO WE DON'T TEAR UP
6:42:48PM STREETS TWICE, THAT WE COORDINATE, WE HAVE A GOOD PUBLIC
6:42:52PM OUTREACH PROGRAM SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON,
6:42:55PM WHAT UTILITIES ARE BEING PUT IN FIRST, SECOND, THIRD, AND
6:43:00PM CONSTANT CONTACT AND UPDATES ON THOSE PROGRAMS.
6:43:05PM WE THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD PLAN -- WE THINK WE HAVE A
6:43:12PM REALLY GOOD PLAN TO DO THAT.
6:43:14PM SO WE TOOK AN AREA FOR EACH DISTRICT.
6:43:22PM THIS ONE JUST HAPPENS TO BE DISTRICT FIVE.
6:43:26PM I PUT UP THE OVERLAY OF THE DIFFERENT UTILITIES ON HERE.
6:43:30PM AS YOU CAN SEE IN DISTRICT FIVE, ON THIS ONE, IT WILL MOVE
6:43:36PM THROUGH, AGAIN.
6:43:38PM THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS LINE THE WASTEWATER PIPELINES.
6:43:42PM WE WANT TO GET IN AND GET OUT OF THERE AND LINE THOSE
6:43:45PM PIPELINES.
6:43:45PM SO THAT'S WHAT COMES UP FIRST.
6:43:47PM THE GREEN ONES ARE WASTEWATER PIPELINES.
6:43:49PM THE BLUE ONES, DARK BLUE ARE THE LARGE, THE BABY BLUE ONES
6:43:53PM THERE ARE THE SMALLER PIPELINES.
6:43:55PM THEN THE ORANGE IS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO
6:43:59PM STILL MAKE.
6:43:59PM AND THEN FINALLY, THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS,
6:44:05PM AND THAT INCLUDES -- THAT'S NOT JUST PAVING.
6:44:07PM THAT INCLUDES CURB AND GUTTER, SIDEWALKS, PAVING,
6:44:11PM STREETLIGHTS, WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE COMPLETE STREETS.
6:44:15PM ALL OF THAT WILL BE COORDINATED WITH WATER, WASTEWATER, AND
6:44:18PM STORMWATER.
6:44:18PM WE HAVE A BIG TASK AHEAD OF US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT
6:44:25PM TEARING UP SIDEWALKS AND STREETS TWICE.
6:44:27PM BUT WE WILL GET THIS DONE.
6:44:30PM SO IN PARALLEL WITH THE FOUR MASTER PLANS, WE CONDUCTED A
6:44:40PM RATE STUDY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND IT INCLUDED
6:44:45PM THESE THREE COMPONENTS: -- INCLUDED, EXCUSE ME, LOOKING AT
6:44:49PM THE CONSUMPTION RATE, ADDING A BASE CHARGE.
6:44:53PM WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY UTILITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT
6:44:55PM DOES NOT HAVE ONE, AT LEAST OF ANY SIZE.
6:44:58PM AND CERTAINLY IN THE BAY AREA WE'RE THE ONLY ONE WITHOUT A
6:45:01PM BASE CHARGE.
6:45:02PM AND IT ALSO INCLUDED LOOKING AT MISCELLANEOUS FEES AND
6:45:07PM CHARGES.
6:45:08PM NOW, IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, THE MISCELLANEOUS FEES
6:45:14PM AND CHARGES ARE VERY MINOR COMPARED TO THE REVENUE
6:45:20PM ASSOCIATED WITH THE TOP TWO.
6:45:22PM SO THE DECISION WAS MADE SINCE SOME WILL GO DOWN EVENTUALLY,
6:45:26PM SOME WILL GO UP, THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO NOT INCLUDE
6:45:33PM THAT IN THIS PROGRAM, IN THIS 2.9 BILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM AT
6:45:41PM THIS POINT.
6:45:41PM I WANT TO POINT OUT OUR LAST WATER AND WASTEWATER RATE
6:45:44PM INCREASE WAS IN 2011.
6:45:46PM SO IT WAS EIGHT-PLUS YEARS AGO.
6:45:49PM ALSO, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE BASE
6:45:57PM CHARGE.
6:45:57PM 80 TO 85 PERCENT OF OUR COSTS IN THESE TWO DEPARTMENTS ARE
6:46:01PM FIXED.
6:46:02PM REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE DELIVER, REGARDLESS OF
6:46:08PM THE AMOUNT OF WASTEWATER WE RECEIVE.
6:46:12PM OUR COSTS ARE FIXED.
6:46:14PM SO I KNOW IN MY ONE-ON-ONE BRIEFINGS I USED THE STORY OF
6:46:21PM 2009 DROUGHT.
6:46:24PM BUT I DIDN'T GET TO DO THAT AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, SO I'D
6:46:27PM LIKE TO DO IT HERE, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME.
6:46:31PM IN 2009, WE HAD THE TAIL END OF A THREE-YEAR DROUGHT THAT
6:46:36PM STARTED IN 2006.
6:46:38PM IT ENDED MID MAY OF 2009, THANK GOODNESS, BECAUSE WE WERE
6:46:43PM RUNNING OUT OF WATER QUICKLY.
6:46:45PM AND IN THAT YEAR, FOR APRIL AND MAY, WE WERE SPENDING BUYING
6:46:51PM WATER FROM TAMPA BAY WATER TO THE TUNE OF $66,000 A DAY.
6:46:56PM WE WERE ALSO DURING THAT TIME, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA MAY
6:47:07PM REMEMBER THIS, WE WENT TO HAND WATERING ONLY.
6:47:10PM THE MOST ONEROUS RESTRICTIONS IN THE ENTIRE STATE.
6:47:15PM AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT HAND-WATERING ONLY IS IT WORKED.
6:47:19PM FROM ONE DAY TO THE NEXT, WE SAVED 25 MILLION GALLONS A DAY
6:47:24PM OF WATER BECAUSE ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ALONE, PEOPLE
6:47:29PM KNOW HOW TO TURN OFF THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS, BUT THEY
6:47:32PM DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW HOW TO ADJUST THEM.
6:47:35PM WHAT I WANTED TO SAY THERE TO WRAP THAT UP IS, THE GOOD SIDE
6:47:45PM OF THAT COIN IS IT WORKED, BUT BETWEEN THE RECESSION WE WERE
6:47:49PM GOING IN THEN, AROUND THAT TIME, AND BETWEEN THE WATERING
6:47:55PM RESTRICTIONS WE PUT IN PLACE, WE LOST ABOUT $25 MILLION OF
6:47:58PM REVENUE THAT YEAR.
6:47:59PM SO THAT'S WHAT A BASE CHARGE HELPS TO SOLVE.
6:48:04PM THE OPERATING EXPENSES IN THIS GRAPH ARE SHOWN IN GREEN.
6:48:12PM THE PURPLE SHOWS OUR EXISTING DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AND
6:48:16PM INTERNAL LOANS.
6:48:18PM AND THEN THE PURPLE IS JUST A TRANSFER OF THE $2.9 BILLION
6:48:25PM PIPES PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE ADDED ON TOP OF THAT.
6:48:31PM AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WE RUN OUT OF MONEY BY 2025.
6:48:34PM WHICH IS GOING TO RESULT IN RESERVES BEING DEPLETED, BOND
6:48:42PM RATINGS UNDER ATTACK AND DOWNGRADED, AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE
6:48:46PM WILL BE FIVE YEARS OLDER AND NOT GETTING ANY LESS EXPENSIVE
6:48:50PM TO REPAIR ON A REACTIVE BASIS.
6:48:53PM OUR RECOMMENDED FUNDING SCENARIO.
6:49:02PM YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS, EXCEPT YOU SAW IT WITH A DIFFERENT
6:49:05PM NUMBER AT THE BOTTOM.
6:49:07PM SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO IMPLEMENT A BASE CHARGE, LIKE OTHER
6:49:12PM UTILITIES DO THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
6:49:15PM START OUT AT A 4% PER MONTH, PER EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL
6:49:21PM UNIT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AT TWO
6:49:25PM DOLLARS EACH FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER FOR A TOTAL BASE
6:49:29PM CHARGE OF FOUR DOLLARS PER MONTH FOR THAT ENTIRE YEAR.
6:49:33PM SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T GO UP EVERY MONTH FOUR
6:49:36PM DOLLARS.
6:49:36PM IT'S JUST FOUR DOLLARS A MONTH FOR THAT 12 MONTHS, FOR THAT
6:49:41PM FIRST YEAR.
6:49:42PM FROM FISCAL YEAR '21 THROUGH '24, WE INCREASE TWO
6:49:48PM DOLLARS PER MONTH PER ERU, ONE DOLLAR FOR EACH DEPARTMENT.
6:49:54PM AND THAT GOES THROUGH FY '34.
6:49:56PM SO THAT WILL TOTAL OUT IN FY '34 OF A TOTAL BASE CHARGE PER
6:50:04PM MONTH OF $32 PER ERU PER MONTH.
6:50:09PM AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE IMPLEMENT A CONSUMPTION INCREASE
6:50:16PM WHERE WE START OUT VERY MODEST IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS FOR
6:50:21PM BOTH WATER AND WASTEWATER OF 3% ANNUAL INCREASE.
6:50:27PM AND IN FY '20 AND FY '21.
6:50:31PM AND THEN INSTEAD OF THE 15%, AS YOU REMEMBER BEFORE WITH THE
6:50:36PM REDUCTION IN THE PROGRAM, THAT WAS CHANGED TO 11% ANNUAL
6:50:40PM INCREASE FOR THOSE NEXT FOUR YEARS, AND THEN A 6% ANNUAL
6:50:44PM INCREASE FOR FY '26.
6:50:46PM THAT IS BECAUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORANGE GRAPH, WE HAVE
6:50:52PM NEEDS THAT ARE WELL BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
6:50:56PM SO THOSE FIVE YEARS OF CATCH-UP, IF YOU WILL, IS FRONT-END
6:51:01PM LOADED.
6:51:01PM WE HAVE THINGS FAILING AT AN ALARMING RATE THAT WE NEED TO
6:51:07PM TAKE CARE OF QUICKLY, AND THEN RAMP THAT DOWN AND SPEND MORE
6:51:14PM CONSISTENTLY OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS.
6:51:17PM AND THEN IN ADDITION, IT'S 1% ANNUAL INCREASE THROUGH FISCAL
6:51:20PM YEAR 2040.
6:51:24PM THEN WASTEWATER A LITTLE MORE FLAT WITH 3% ANNUAL INCREASE
6:51:31PM FY '20 THROUGH '31.
6:51:33PM 4% ANNUAL INCREASE THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '40.
6:51:38PM AND THEN AS I'VE SAID BEFORE IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PAYING
6:51:43PM FOR THE CAPITAL PROGRAM, WE WOULD ROUGHLY PAY 50-50, OR IN
6:51:49PM THIS CASE, 53% PAY GO.
6:51:52PM 47% BONDING.
6:51:54PM THIS GIVES US A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
6:51:57PM THE FLEXIBILITY IT GIVES US, THE MORE SUCCESSFUL WE ARE TO
6:52:00PM GET OUTSIDE MONEY, THE MORE WE CAN DO WITH PAY GO.
6:52:06PM SO THAT REALLY HELPS.
6:52:09PM THIS IS A SLIDE TO COMPARE AN AVERAGE CUSTOMER WITH THE 300
6:52:23PM MILLION FOR THE ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY PROJECT SHOWN IN
6:52:26PM GREEN ON TOP, AND WITHOUT THE 300 MILLION SHOWN IN BLUE IN
6:52:33PM THE BOTTOM.
6:52:35PM STARTS OUT WHERE THIS WOULD NOT KICK IN UNTIL YEAR THREE
6:52:44PM BECAUSE THE 300 MILLION CASH FLOW DIDN'T START ON THE
6:52:48PM CONSTRUCTION UNTIL YEAR THREE.
6:52:51PM AND THAT INCREASE FOR THAT FIRST YEAR, THAT GAP, IS 78
6:52:57PM CENTS.
6:52:59PM SO FAIRLY MODEST.
6:53:00PM AND IT INCREASES GRADUALLY ALL THE WAY TO 2040, AND THEN THE
6:53:08PM DIFFERENCE OR THE DELTA THERE IS $3.31 IN 2040.
6:53:13PM BUT IT'S MONTHLY, AND YOU MULTIPLY IT BY 12 AND IT CAN
6:53:20PM CERTAINLY HELP.
6:53:21PM ONE LAST THING BEFORE I LEAVE THIS SLIDE IS A REMINDER THAT
6:53:25PM OUR PEER GROUP AVERAGE RIGHT NOW IS $80.30.
6:53:31PM OURS IS DOWN TO $41.29.
6:53:33PM I HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL A COUPLE OF SLIDES FROM NOW.
6:53:35PM THIS SLIDE WAS ADDED SINCE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BASED ON
6:53:46PM SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AT TWO OF THE MEETINGS.
6:53:50PM AND IT'S A REPRESENTATION OF A MEDIUM-HIGH USER AT THE TOP
6:53:55PM SHOWN IN GREEN.
6:53:56PM THE AVERAGE USER THAT WE HAVE BEEN SHOWING AT EVERY MEETING.
6:54:01PM AND THEN A LOWER USER THAT HAS ONE OR TWO PERSONS IN THE
6:54:06PM HOUSEHOLD AND DOES NOT IRRIGATE.
6:54:09PM DOES NOT HAVE AN OUTDOOR IRRIGATION SYSTEM AT 200 CUBIC FEET
6:54:16PM PER MONTH, THE AVERAGE AGAIN IS 800 CUBIC FEET PER MONTH.
6:54:20PM AVERAGE CUSTOMER.
6:54:21PM AND THEN THE CUSTOMER AT THE TOP IS -- I SAY MEDIUM-HIGH
6:54:26PM USER.
6:54:27PM MAYBE THIS IS A FAMILY OF FOUR THAT IRRIGATES.
6:54:30PM THEY HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT THEY MAY AVERAGE
6:54:33PM THROUGHOUT THE YEAR USING ONCE A WEEK.
6:54:36PM I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GIVE THAT COMPARISON.
6:54:42PM BECAUSE THESE ARE TYPICAL CUSTOMERS ALL THREE CATEGORIES.
6:54:46PM THIS IS THE SLIDE I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER.
6:54:54PM OUR EXISTING RATE FOR AN AVERAGE CUSTOMER IS $49.29.
6:55:00PM THE FIRST YEAR WOULD GO UP TO $46.50.
6:55:07PM OR ROUGHLY -- NOT ROUGHLY.
6:55:11PM $5.21.
6:55:12PM AND THEN AS COMPARED TO OUR PEERS, YOU -- I DON'T KNOW IF
6:55:18PM YOU CAN READ THAT ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT WE HAVE ADDED THE
6:55:24PM TAMPA BAY WATER UTILITIES THAT MATCH OUR SIZE, AND WE'VE
6:55:28PM ALSO ADDED PLACES LIKE JACKSONVILLE, TALLAHASSEE, ORLANDO,
6:55:34PM TO COMPARE SIMILAR SIZE UTILITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE.
6:55:38PM WE DIDN'T ALSO FOR THE TAMPA BAY AREA, INTERESTINGLY -- THE
6:55:43PM TAMPA BAY AREA ALONE USING THE SMALL UTILITIES, AND
6:55:47PM INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE ANSWER WAS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME
6:55:51PM TO THE PENNY.
6:55:52PM THEY BOTH AVERAGE ABOUT $80.30 A MONTH.
6:55:57PM FOR THE SAME CHARGES.
6:55:59PM AGAIN, ROUGHLY HALF.
6:56:01PM ALL RIGHT.
6:56:06PM WE GET INTO VANESSA'S AREA BACK HERE.
6:56:09PM THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
6:56:10PM WHO QUALIFIES?
6:56:13PM WELL, A BIG CHANGE IN THIS SLIDE FROM WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE.
6:56:17PM THIS IS LOW INCOME, LESS THAN 30% OF THE AVERAGE MEDIAN
6:56:25PM INCOME.
6:56:26PM AND INSTEAD OF 30% PLUS ELDERLY OR 30% PLUS DISABLED.
6:56:35PM AS YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE, THE NUMBERS CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.
6:56:39PM THE OTHER FOUR QUALIFICATIONS, IT HAS TO BE A RESIDENTIAL
6:56:46PM SINGLE-FAMILY.
6:56:49PM INDIVIDUALLY METERED MULTIFAMILY.
6:56:51PM THIS, TOO, IS A DEPARTURE FROM THE STORMWATER HARDSHIP
6:56:55PM PROGRAM IN THAT IF YOU QUALIFY FOR ALL THESE FIVE BULLETS
6:57:02PM HERE, A RENTER CAN QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM.
6:57:06PM A RENTER CAN QUALIFY.
6:57:07PM NOW, THAT EXCLUDES SECTION 80, AND VANESSA, IF YOU HAVE
6:57:12PM QUESTIONS ON THAT, SHE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT.
6:57:17PM SECTION 80 HOUSING.
6:57:19PM EXCUSE ME.
6:57:19PM AND THEN THE CUSTOMER MUST LIVE AT THE ADDRESS AND BE THE
6:57:23PM PRIMARY UTILITY ACCOUNT HOLDER.
6:57:24PM OKAY.
6:57:29PM SO THIS IS THE BIG NEWS.
6:57:33PM THE OLD PROGRAM, AS I SAID, 30% PLUS ELDERLY.
6:57:36PM 30% PLUS DISABLED.
6:57:38PM THIS IS THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
6:57:43PM HOUSEHOLDS THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM, THE WAY WE
6:57:47PM WERE PROPOSING IT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
6:57:50PM THE NEW PROPOSAL BY THE MAYOR IS 30% AMI ONLY.
6:57:56PM THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL QUALIFIED HOUSEHOLDS QUADRUPLES.
6:58:03PM THIS IS HUGE.
6:58:04PM I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER UTILITY THAT HAS A CUSTOMER
6:58:07PM ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TO THIS LEVEL.
6:58:10PM THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
6:58:12PM I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE IN
6:58:17PM SAYING THAT THIS PROGRAM IS VERY AGGRESSIVE, AND WILL HELP
6:58:23PM OUR PEOPLE IN THE LOW INCOME AREA.
6:58:26PM FINALLY, THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM, ALL BASE CHARGES WILL
6:58:34PM BE WAIVED.
6:58:37PM AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE EVERY YEAR.
6:58:41PM YOU'LL HAVE A FREE PERSONALIZED WATER CONSERVATION AUDIT.
6:58:44PM SO THE LADY YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT.
6:58:46PM HER NAME IS JULIA, AND SHE WAS IN THE BACK, AS YOU KNOW,
6:58:50PM GIVING AWAY FREE WATER SAVING KITS AT THOSE MEETINGS, AND
6:58:56PM SHE WILL ACTUALLY GO TO YOUR HOME AND GIVE YOU TIPS ON HOW
6:59:00PM TO SAVE WATER.
6:59:03PM I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IF YOU CONSERVE WATER, THAT'S MONEY IN
6:59:06PM YOUR POCKET.
6:59:07PM BECAUSE WHAT -- YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE HAD YOUR BASE CHARGES
6:59:12PM WAIVED, THEN YOU HAVE A CONSUMPTION RATE LEFT, YOU CAN
6:59:18PM CONTROL THE CONSUMPTION RATE.
6:59:20PM YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE BASE CHARGE.
6:59:23PM AND THEN FINALLY, YOU CAN SEE SHE'S DELIVERING A FREE WATER
6:59:26PM SAVING KIT TO THIS CUSTOMER.
6:59:29PM AS PART OF THE AUDIT.
6:59:32PM WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO VANESSA McCLEARY, THE
6:59:42PM HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
6:59:44PM VANESSA.
6:59:46PM >> GOOD EVENING.
6:59:46PM VANESSA McCLEARY, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
6:59:49PM MANAGER, CITY OF TAMPA.
6:59:51PM SO WE WILL IN HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTER
6:59:54PM THIS PROGRAM MUCH LIKE WE DO WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM.
7:00:00PM AND WHEN WE ARE ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAMS, ONE OF THE OTHER
7:00:02PM BENEFITS THAT'S NOT MENTIONED HERE IS THAT WE TRY TO FIND IF
7:00:07PM THERE ARE OTHER SERVICES THAT THE INDIVIDUAL NEEDS THAT WE
7:00:11PM CAN PROVIDE.
7:00:12PM SO WITH THE STORMWATER PROGRAM, WE REQUIRE, BECAUSE IT IS
7:00:16PM FOR OWNER OCCUPIED, WE REQUIRE THEM TO BE HOMESTEADED AND
7:00:21PM THEN WE WILL LOOK AT IF THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SENIOR BENEFIT,
7:00:24PM WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET THAT BECAUSE IT IS MORE OF A
7:00:26PM SAVINGS THAN THE STORMWATER.
7:00:28PM WE WILL ALSO ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE REPAIR NEEDS AND REFER
7:00:32PM THEM TO OUR OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB.
7:00:35PM WITH THIS PROGRAM, THE POPULATION WILL BE MUCH LARGER, SO WE
7:00:39PM WILL BE WORKING WITH BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND RENTERS AND WITHIN
7:00:43PM HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WE ARE AWARE OF PROGRAMS
7:00:45PM THAT CAN ASSIST.
7:00:46PM SO WE WILL BE PROVIDING THAT ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE.
7:00:50PM WE WILL TAKE THEM THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
7:00:53PM WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL
7:00:56PM SOFTWARE TO MAKE THE ONLINE PROCESS EASIER.
7:00:59PM WE ALSO DO APPLICATIONS IN OUR OFFICE, IF WE RUN INTO
7:01:03PM SOMEONE WHO CANNOT COME INTO THE OFFICE, WE DO HAVE STAFF
7:01:08PM WHO WILL GO OUT AND TAKE THE APPLICATION IN THE FIELD.
7:01:10PM WE ALSO WORK AT DIFFERENT SATELLITE LOCATIONS, SO WE WORK
7:01:14PM OUT OF D-3 IN EAST TAMPA SO THAT WE ARE MORE CONVENIENTLY
7:01:21PM LOCATED.
7:01:21PM WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION PROGRAM.
7:01:23PM WE DO WORK WITH JULIE A LOT WHEN WE HAVE OUTREACH EVENTS, WE
7:01:29PM TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO CONSERVE BECAUSE WE CAN'T INCREASE
7:01:32PM PEOPLE'S INCOME, BUT WE DO TRY TO DECREASE THEIR EXPENSES.
7:01:35PM SO WITH THAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO
7:01:37PM ANSWER THEM.
7:01:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: IS THIS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION?
7:01:46PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE.
7:01:47PM SO LAST SLIDE IS SCHEDULE, AND WE HAVE ONE BIG CHANGE ON
7:01:54PM THIS SLIDE.
7:01:55PM THE FIRST FOUR BULLETS YOU HAVE SEEN.
7:02:01PM THE FOURTH BULLET IS TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.
7:02:03PM THE LAST BULLET, HOWEVER, WE CHANGED FROM THE FIRST BILLING
7:02:08PM CYCLE IN OCTOBER TO THE FIRST BILLING CYCLE IN NOVEMBER.
7:02:12PM FOR THREE REASONS.
7:02:15PM ONE, WE HAD, WHEN WE NEEDED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE LAST WEEK,
7:02:20PM WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE HURRICANE -- HURRICANE DORIAN WAS
7:02:25PM GOING.
7:02:25PM SECONDLY, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO TEST EXTENSIVELY OUR NEW
7:02:32PM UTILITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT RIGHT AND
7:02:34PM THE BILLS GO OUT RIGHT.
7:02:36PM AND THIRD, WITH CHANGES TO THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM,
7:02:40PM WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IS RIGHT, TOO.
7:02:44PM SO WE MADE THE DECISION TO ADD A MONTH BECAUSE OF THOSE
7:02:48PM THREE THINGS.
7:02:49PM I THINK THAT'S A RIGHT DECISION.
7:02:52PM AND WITH THAT, THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE.
7:02:54PM JAN, YOU WANTED TO CLOSE WITH -- OKAY.
7:03:01PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:03:02PM WE'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
7:03:04PM OUR WASTEWATER DIRECTOR ERIC WEISS IS HERE TO ANSWER
7:03:08PM WASTEWATER QUESTIONS.
7:03:08PM CHUCK WEBER IS HERE, DIRECTOR OF THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND
7:03:11PM THEN, OF COURSE, OUR CFO, DENNIS ROGERO IS HERE AS WELL.
7:03:17PM THANK YOU.
7:03:22PM >>JAN McLEAN: ONE LAST PROCEDURAL ITEM.
7:03:26PM OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
7:03:26PM WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME AND WILL HAND TO MARTY ARE THE
7:03:29PM NEW EXHIBITS THAT REFLECT THE REVISIONS TO THE CUSTOMER
7:03:32PM ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THE EXHIBIT C WILL BE THE NEW EXHIBIT
7:03:36PM THAT WILL REPLACE THE EXHIBIT C THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU
7:03:41PM YESTERDAY FOR THE WASTEWATER RESOLUTION AND THE EXHIBIT D IS
7:03:45PM THE EXACT SAME LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME CUSTOMER
7:03:49PM ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, BUT EXHIBIT D IN THE WATER RESOLUTION.
7:03:53PM SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD THAT IN HAND.
7:04:02PM I WILL NEED TO -- THE PACKET THAT THE CHAIR HAS, ASSUMING
7:04:23PM THAT THE ACTION IS TO ADOPT THESE, I WOULD NEED TO
7:04:28PM SUBSTITUTE THOSE.
7:04:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
7:04:31PM OKAY.
7:04:32PM NOW WE'LL TAKE SOME QUESTIONS.
7:04:33PM YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
7:04:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M JUST WONDERING, WOULD YOU WISH COUNCIL
7:04:38PM TO ACCEPT THE SUBSTITUTIONS BY MOTION AT THIS POINT OR DO
7:04:40PM YOU WANT TO WAIT BEFORE THEY TAKE ACTION?
7:04:46PM >> [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
7:04:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ACCEPTED MEANING WHAT?
7:04:51PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT MEANS TO REPLACE WHAT THE CLERK HAS NOW
7:04:54PM WITH THE SUBSTITUTIONS AS PROVIDED BY STAFF.
7:04:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: SUBSTITUTION FOR THE PROPOSAL.
7:04:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, FOR CONSIDERATION OF COUNCIL.
7:05:00PM YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING IT.
7:05:02PM YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE SUBSTITUTION FOR CONSIDERATION.
7:05:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I HAVE A MOTION?
7:05:04PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
7:05:08PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
7:05:09PM ALL IN FAVOR?
7:05:10PM ANY OPPOSED?
7:05:10PM THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.
7:05:14PM OKAY.
7:05:15PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU WISH TO GO FIRST.
7:05:17PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
7:05:17PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
7:05:18PM I JUST WANTED TO START OUT BY THANKING THE MAYOR AND CHIEF
7:05:22PM OF STAFF AND THE STAFF IN THE CITY.
7:05:27PM WE'VE TALKED OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT HAVING A COLLEGIAL
7:05:29PM RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND
7:05:33PM STAFF.
7:05:33PM LAST WEEK WAS KIND OF ROUGH, FOR WHICH I APOLOGIZE.
7:05:36PM THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE PUBLIC WAS LOUD AND CLEAR THAT
7:05:42PM THEY DIDN'T WANT THE TAP PROJECT, AND THEY WANTED US TO WORK
7:05:49PM TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE AVAILABLE -- OR
7:05:52PM ELIGIBLE FOR THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
7:05:54PM AND WE SENT THAT IN THE FORM OF TWO RESOLUTIONS TO YOU.
7:05:58PM AND YOU ALL RESPONDED AND DID THAT.
7:06:00PM AND WE'VE GOTTEN LOTS OF ACCOLADES, AT LEAST I'VE GOTTEN
7:06:04PM LOTS OF ACCOLADES TODAY FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I'M SURE YOU
7:06:06PM ALL HAVE AS WELL.
7:06:07PM I THINK IT'S A GOOD SIGN OF BEING ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER.
7:06:10PM I'M ESPECIALLY THANKFUL -- I'VE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION NOW
7:06:13PM FOUR TIMES BECAUSE I WENT TO THREE OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
7:06:15PM IT IS A MUCH BETTER PRESENTATION AND THE SLIDES ARE BETTER,
7:06:18PM CLEARER, AND YOU ALL CRUNCHED THOSE NUMBERS QUICKLY.
7:06:20PM SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING ALL THAT AND HELPING US DO
7:06:24PM OUR JOB TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC.
7:06:28PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
7:06:28PM ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?
7:06:31PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE?
7:06:33PM DO YOU WANT A LONG LITANY OF QUESTIONS NOW OR AFTER COMMENT?
7:06:37PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.
7:06:38PM I HAVE NO PREFERENCE, TO BE HONEST.
7:06:40PM I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH DOING PUBLIC
7:06:43PM COMMENT FIRST AND THEN ENGAGING IN QUESTIONS?
7:06:47PM I HAVE NO PROBLEM THEN.
7:06:49PM OKAY.
7:06:49PM LET'S GO FORWARD WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
7:06:51PM IF YOU ARE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING,
7:06:54PM PLEASE, AT THIS TIME, STAND UP AND BE SO RECOGNIZED AND COME
7:06:59PM FORWARD.
7:06:59PM SO WE KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK HERE TONIGHT
7:07:02PM IN PUBLIC COMMENT.
7:07:04PM IF YOU COULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
7:07:07PM I SEE TWO.
7:07:12PM >> GOOD EVENING.
7:07:13PM I'M NANCY STEVENS.
7:07:14PM I'M REPRESENTING THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB THIS EVENING.
7:07:17PM I JUST WANTED TO ALSO ECHO OUR THANKS TO MAYOR CASTOR AND TO
7:07:22PM YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, FOR PROVIDING TAMPA AND PLANNING FOR
7:07:27PM TAMPA'S WATER SUPPLY AND FOR WITHDRAWING THE FUNDS FOR TAP
7:07:31PM PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME.
7:07:32PM WE ALSO APPRECIATE THAT MORE LOW INCOME FAMILIES WILL BE
7:07:36PM ABLE TO GET ASSISTANCE WITH THEIR UTILITY BILLS.
7:07:40PM WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY CAN'T CONTINUE TO LOSE WATER
7:07:42PM FROM LEAKS AND BREAKS, SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
7:07:46PM CHEAP OR EASY, WE DO SUPPORT THE PIPE PROJECT IN PRINCIPLE,
7:07:50PM AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL IN SUSTAINABLE
7:07:53PM INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TAMPA.
7:07:54PM THANK YOU.
7:07:54PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
7:07:56PM ANYONE ELSE HERE?
7:07:57PM I SAW A HAND, THIS GENTLEMAN HERE.
7:07:59PM IS THIS GENTLEMAN GOING TO BE THE LAST PERSON FOR PUBLIC
7:08:04PM COMMENT?
7:08:05PM WE ARE DISAPPOINTED.
7:08:08PM GO AHEAD, SIR.
7:08:15PM >> I'M BAKARI BROWN.
7:08:17PM I WAS ACTUALLY DISAPPOINTED TO HEAR ABOUT THE RATE INCREASE
7:08:21PM FOR THIS.
7:08:21PM ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE A LONG
7:08:29PM TIME.
7:08:29PM IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG TIME.
7:08:31PM IT'S BEEN GOING ON WAY BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT THESE SEATS.
7:08:35PM WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE FUNDING THEN TO TAKE CARE OF THE
7:08:38PM MATTER.
7:08:38PM WHEN HE SHOWED THE SLIDE THAT HAD LIKE MAYBE 50 MILES OF
7:08:43PM PIPE FROM 1900s TO 1930, THAT WAS IN THE RED, I MEAN,
7:08:48PM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CRITICAL THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
7:08:50PM THAT COULD BE WORKED ON RIGHT AWAY.
7:08:52PM THE OTHER STUFF CAN BE KIND OF TAPERED OFF FOR A LITTLE TIME
7:08:55PM AND STILL FIND DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.
7:08:57PM I JUST FEEL LIKE, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR
7:09:01PM SHUFFLING FUNDS AROUND ALL THE TIME ANYWAY.
7:09:03PM WHY IS IT NOW YOU CAN'T FIND FUNDING SOMEWHERE ELSE, SOME
7:09:07PM ALTERNATE SOURCES BESIDES SAYING, OH, LET'S TACK IT ON TO
7:09:10PM THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND MAKE THEM PAY DOUBLE WHAT THEY
7:09:13PM WOULD NORMALLY BE PAYING.
7:09:14PM THAT'S JUST NOT -- SEEMS A BIT UNFAIR TO ME.
7:09:17PM SECONDLY, I SAW THEM MENTION THE NEW FUNDING, THE CUSTOMER
7:09:22PM ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
7:09:23PM NOT EVERYBODY IS OWN.
7:09:26PM IF YOU OWN, WHY YOU NEED ASSISTANCE?
7:09:30PM YOU OWN MORE THAN PROPERTY.
7:09:32PM YOU RENTING TO PEOPLE WHO NEED THAT ASSISTANCE.
7:09:34PM YOU'RE THINKING YOU'RE HELPING SOMEBODY, ASSISTING THE
7:09:36PM PEOPLE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THE HELP WITH THE
7:09:39PM PROGRAM, NOT GETTING THE ASSISTANCE.
7:09:41PM IF I OWN THE PLACE, I MOST LIKELY FIT OUTSIDE THAT MEDIAN.
7:09:45PM SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN NO LOW 30%.
7:09:49PM SO WHO EXACTLY ARE YOU TARGETING?
7:09:51PM WHO ARE YOU ASSISTING?
7:09:52PM SEE WHAT I'M SAYING.
7:09:53PM I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS MADE EFFORTS TO GO FROM JUST ELDERLY
7:09:56PM AND JUST DISABLED TO A MORE GENERAL POPULACE, WE'RE TALKING
7:10:03PM ABOUT IN THE CITY, NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE NEWTOWN FOR
7:10:08PM BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
7:10:10PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INNER CITY, WHERE I'M FROM.
7:10:12PM SO NOBODY CAN SIT THERE.
7:10:16PM -- THEY WON'T BE OWNING.
7:10:18PM THEY WILL BE RENTING.
7:10:19PM HE NOT THE ONE PAYING UTILITIES.
7:10:25PM SO I JUST DON'T THINK THE CRITERIA IS FAIR FOR THE CUSTOMER
7:10:28PM ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
7:10:29PM BUT IF YOU STOP GIVING TAX EXEMPTIONS TO PROPERTIES FOR
7:10:34PM THESE BIG CORPORATIONS, THE HILTON AND OTHER PEOPLE,
7:10:37PM PROBABLY WOULD HAVE FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE PIPES.
7:10:39PM THAT'S IT.
7:10:44PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DID I HEAR THAT THE -- [INAUDIBLE] --
7:10:47PM [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
7:10:48PM -- THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE HOMEOWNERS.
7:10:53PM >> THAT IS CORRECT.
7:10:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN?
7:10:57PM >> [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
7:11:01PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE PROGRAM WILL HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE
7:11:03PM RENTERS, NOT OWNERS ALSO.
7:11:04PM >> I HEARD IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
7:11:06PM >> BOTH.
7:11:07PM BOTH.
7:11:07PM I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID.
7:11:11PM I -- [OVERLAPPING CONVERSATION]
7:11:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
7:11:22PM ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
7:11:24PM OKAY.
7:11:24PM WE WILL MOVE TO COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT QUESTIONS, CONCERNS,
7:11:28PM STATEMENT, ET CETERA.
7:11:29PM WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST?
7:11:32PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GUESS THIS IS FOR MS. McCLEARY.
7:11:36PM I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS
7:11:39PM WILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A HIGH
7:11:42PM VOLUME OF RENTERS IN CERTAIN SECTION.
7:11:46PM EXPLAIN THE PROGRAM AGAIN FOR RENTERS.
7:11:48PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT.
7:11:50PM EXPLAIN THE CRITERIA FOR THE PROGRAM FOR RENTERS.
7:11:52PM >> 30% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
7:11:56PM AND THEY CANNOT BE ON SECTION 8 WHERE SECTION 8 IS COVERING
7:12:00PM AND GIVING THEM A UTILITY ALLOWANCE.
7:12:09PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OTHER CRITERIA BESIDES THE AMI 30%.
7:12:13PM ANY OTHER CRITERIA AT ALL?
7:12:14PM IS THERE ANY OTHER CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THAT --
7:12:21PM >> SORRY.
7:12:22PM THAT THEY MUST BE THE PRIMARY ON THE ACCOUNT.
7:12:25PM SO THE PERSON APPLYING FOR THE PROGRAM COULDN'T APPLY FOR
7:12:31PM THE PROGRAM AND HAVE A WATER BILL IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S NAME
7:12:35PM BECAUSE -- SO THE LANDLORD COULDN'T APPLY FOR THE TENANT.
7:12:41PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
7:12:41PM THANK YOU.
7:12:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
7:12:47PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. McCLEARY, AS LONG AS YOU'RE UP
7:12:50PM THERE, LET'S START WITH THOSE ISSUES.
7:12:52PM IT LOOKS LIKE THEY GOT YOU BATTING AT DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS
7:13:01PM NOW.
7:13:01PM SO AREA MEDIAN INCOME, YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID IT AT SOME POINT.
7:13:08PM WHAT IS OUR AREA MEDIAN INCOME TODAY IN 2019?
7:13:13PM >> IT IS BASED ON HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
7:13:17PM AND FOR 2019 -- AND SO THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME IS DEFINED BY
7:13:23PM HUD.
7:13:24PM AND WE GET THOSE NUMBERS -- USUALLY WE TAKE THE FIRST LIST
7:13:29PM THAT THEY PROVIDE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
7:13:31PM THEY WILL UPDATE THOSE NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT THAT
7:13:34PM BECOMES PROBLEMATIC.
7:13:35PM SO THE FIRST TIME THEY INTRODUCE THE NUMBERS, WE TAKE THOSE
7:13:38PM NUMBERS.
7:13:39PM WE UPDATE OUR DATA.
7:13:40PM SO BASED ON THAT, AREA MEDIAN INCOME, A FAMILY OF ONE COULD
7:13:44PM NOT MAKE MORE THAN $14,050.
7:13:47PM A FAMILY OF TWO COULD NOT MAKE MORE THAN $16,910.
7:13:51PM AND A FAMILY OF THREE COULD NOT MAKE MORE THAN 21,330.
7:13:57PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE 30%.
7:14:00PM >> IT'S DONE BY HUD.
7:14:02PM YOU ACTUALLY GET THE WHOLE CHART FROM HUD.
7:14:05PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY FIRST QUESTION, WHAT IS THE AREA
7:14:06PM MEDIAN INCOME.
7:14:07PM IN GIVING US THOSE NUMBERS, YOU ALREADY ADJUSTED IT TO 30%
7:14:11PM OF?
7:14:14PM >> NO, SORRY.
7:14:15PM WHEN -- HUD PROVIDES THE NUMBERS FOR 30%, 60%, 50%, 80%, 120
7:14:23PM AND SO ON.
7:14:25PM AND SO THEY GIVE YOU PER FAMILY.
7:14:27PM SO YOU GET ALL OF IT COMES STRAIGHT FROM HUD.
7:14:31PM WE DO NOT EXTRAPOLATE, CALCULATE ANYTHING.
7:14:33PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE 30% COLUMN IS THE ONE YOU WERE
7:14:35PM JUST SAYING.
7:14:36PM >> YES.
7:14:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO IT AGAIN, SORRY.
7:14:39PM >> FAMILY OF 1, $14,050.
7:14:42PM AND THESE ARE ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE ON TAMPAGOV.NET/HCD.
7:14:50PM YOU GO TO HOUSING PROGRAMS, AND THERE IS A BUTTON THAT SAYS
7:14:53PM INCOME LIMITS.
7:14:54PM A FAMILY OF TWO WOULD BE $16,910.
7:14:58PM A FAMILY OF THREE WOULD BE $21,330.
7:15:04PM A FAMILY OF FOUR WOULD BE $25,750.
7:15:11PM A FAMILY OF FIVE WOULD BE $30,170.
7:15:18PM I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN SAY THAT WE TAKE THE FIRST SET OF
7:15:28PM NUMBERS THAT COME OUT FOR THE YEAR.
7:15:30PM SOMETIMES THEY COME OUT -- USUALLY THEY COME OUT
7:15:33PM JANUARY-FEBRUARY.
7:15:34PM LATELY WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, THEY'VE COME OUT LATER.
7:15:36PM SO THE NUMBERS WE GOT CAME OUT IN APRIL.
7:15:39PM WE ACCEPT THOSE.
7:15:40PM THEY RECENTLY UPDATED THE NUMBERS IN JUNE, AND THEY WERE
7:15:44PM SLIGHTLY LOWER.
7:15:46PM BUT WE DO NOT ADJUST.
7:15:47PM WE ONLY ADJUST ONE TIME A YEAR.
7:15:49PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
7:15:50PM SO JUST FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, THE FAMILY OF SENIOR CITIZEN
7:16:00PM RETIRED COUPLE, TWO FOLKS ON A FIXED INCOME EARNING
7:16:09PM $17,000 HAS MISSED THE CUTOFF.
7:16:15PM >> VANESSA: YES.
7:16:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THESE RATE HIKES.
7:16:20PM >> YES.
7:16:20PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
7:16:22PM >> VANESSA: YES.
7:16:26PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A FAMILY OF FOUR, A YOUNG FAMILY OF FOUR,
7:16:32PM HUSBAND, WIFE, TWO YOUNG CHILDREN, GETTING GOING, EARNING
7:16:37PM $26,000 ARE SUBJECT TO THESE RATE HIKES WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
7:16:44PM >> UM-HUM.
7:16:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES?
7:16:45PM >> YES.
7:16:51PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS LANDLORD ISSUE
7:16:54PM BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK -- SORRY I MISSED HIS
7:16:57PM NAME.
7:16:57PM BAKARI.
7:17:01PM HE WAS HEADING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, AND THEN WE ALL, I
7:17:04PM THINK, VEERED OFF.
7:17:06PM I THINK WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS PASS-THROUGH.
7:17:09PM IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWING LANDLORDS TO APPLY FOR
7:17:12PM THIS, CORRECT?
7:17:13PM >> CORRECT.
7:17:13PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IF YOU HAVE A LANDLORD, LET'S SAY THE
7:17:17PM LANDLORD OWNS A QUAD.
7:17:21PM SOMETIMES IN THOSE SITUATIONS IT MIGHT BE A SINGLE METER.
7:17:24PM THE LANDLORD PAYS IT.
7:17:26PM HE'S GOING TO PASS THAT THROUGH TO HIS FOUR TENANTS.
7:17:28PM THAT'S NOT AN UNUSUAL SITUATION, RIGHT?
7:17:31PM >> TRUE.
7:17:31PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN THAT SITUATION, IF AND WHEN THAT
7:17:36PM HAPPENED, THAT LANDLORD, IF HE CHOSE TO PASS IT THROUGH AS
7:17:41PM OPPOSED TO BEING MR. FRIENDLY, IT'S GONNA GO TO THOSE FOUR
7:17:45PM TENANTS IN A HIKE TO THEIR RENT.
7:17:51PM >> SO CURRENTLY, THAT -- AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
7:17:57PM SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE LANDLORD, THE PERSON RENTED THE
7:18:01PM PLACE AND IT INCLUDES THE UTILITIES.
7:18:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH.
7:18:04PM I DON'T THINK THAT'S TOTALLY UNUSUAL.
7:18:06PM >> IT'S NOT.
7:18:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DUPLEXES.
7:18:08PM >> YOU COULD PROVIDE THE ASSISTANCE TO THE LANDLORD, BUT YOU
7:18:10PM HAVE NO GUARANTEE IT GETS PASSED ON.
7:18:13PM WE HAVE SOME GOOD LANDLORDS AND WE HAVE SOME NOT SO GOOD
7:18:19PM LANDLORDS.
7:18:19PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE JUMPING TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF
7:18:21PM ANALYSIS.
7:18:22PM LET'S START WITH THE QUESTION FIRST, JUST SO WE CLARIFY WHAT
7:18:26PM THE PROGRAM DOES.
7:18:28PM >> IT DOES NOT COVER LANDLORDS.
7:18:29PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
7:18:30PM >> IT COVERS THE ACCOUNT HOLDER.
7:18:32PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHICH IN MY SCENARIO, THE LANDLORD, IF HE
7:18:38PM PASSES IT ON, WHICH IS MORE THAN LIKELY IN MY OPINION, MY
7:18:41PM LIFE EXPERIENCE, THE LANDLORD IS GOING TO PASS ON EVERYTHING
7:18:44PM THAT COMES TO HIM, TAXES, INSURANCE, WATER HIKES, RATE
7:18:50PM HIKES, THINGS LIKE THAT, GOING TO PASS IT THROUGH TO THOSE
7:18:55PM TENANTS AND THOSE TENANTS WILL NOT HAVE ANY RECOURSE,
7:18:58PM CORRECT, IN OUR PROGRAM?
7:19:00PM >> RIGHT.
7:19:01PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON
7:19:04PM SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS.
7:19:05PM I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR HAS ADJUSTED THE
7:19:12PM PROGRAM, YOU AND THE MAYOR AND WHOEVER ELSE WORKED ON THIS
7:19:14PM ADJUSTED THE PROGRAM BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL
7:19:20PM TO HEAR EXACTLY WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE.
7:19:22PM A FAMILY OF TWO MIGHT BE A FIXED-INCOME FAMILY OF TWO, A
7:19:27PM STARTING OUT YOUNG COUPLE FAMILY OF TWO.
7:19:29PM BUT THE MINUTE THEY EARN MORE THAN $16,900 A YEAR, WHICH TO
7:19:36PM ME, SOUNDS LIKE BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL, THEN THEY ARE GOING
7:19:42PM TO BE SUBJECT TO THESE RATE HIKES AND WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM
7:19:45PM RELIEF.
7:19:45PM AGAIN, FAMILY OF FOUR, 25,000.
7:19:48PM A FAMILY OF FIVE, 30,000.
7:19:51PM I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED
7:19:56PM TO CLARIFY.
7:20:00PM THANK YOU.
7:20:00PM I DID HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAIRD, BUT I WOULD
7:20:05PM BE GLAD TO DEFER TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
7:20:11PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M FOLLOWING WHERE MR. DINGFELDER IS GOING
7:20:13PM ON THIS.
7:20:14PM WHY HUD GUIDELINES?
7:20:16PM WHY NOT OUR OWN GUIDELINES?
7:20:18PM WHY HUD GUIDELINES?
7:20:20PM >> SORRY, THE ONLY THING THAT WE TOOK FROM HUD WAS THE
7:20:23PM CALCULATION OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
7:20:25PM OTHERWISE, IT'S NOT HUD GUIDELINES.
7:20:30PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE USING THEIR GUIDELINES.
7:20:32PM YOU SAID YOU TOOK THAT AWAY, BUT YOU'RE USING THEIR
7:20:36PM CALCULATION, RIGHT?
7:20:38PM >> WELL, IT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD.
7:20:39PM EVEN THE STATE USES THE HUD NUMBERS.
7:20:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THE BIGGER ISSUE IS WHETHER OR
7:20:45PM NOT IT'S 30%.
7:20:47PM WE'VE SELECTED 30% OF THE HUD GUIDELINES.
7:20:51PM >> RIGHT.
7:20:51PM I DIDN'T SELECT, BUT 30% --
7:20:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE -- WE -- WE IN THIS ROOM.
7:20:57PM WE COULD HAVE SELECTED 50% OR 60% OR WHATEVER NUMBER WE
7:21:02PM OPTED.
7:21:04PM >> YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME STANDARD FOR HOW YOU'RE SELECTING
7:21:07PM THE NUMBER BECAUSE EVERY YEAR YOU WOULD NEED IT TO CHANGE
7:21:10PM BECAUSE THE COST OF LIVING CHANGES AND THE NUMBERS CHANGE.
7:21:14PM IF YOU HAVE A STANDARD, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OTHER STANDARD YOU
7:21:19PM WOULD USE.
7:21:20PM THAT'S JUST THE ONE I'M FAMILIAR WITH, AND IT COMES OUT
7:21:24PM EVERY YEAR.
7:21:24PM I KNOW HOW TO GET IT.
7:21:26PM ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO GET IT CAN ALSO GO TO THE SAME SOURCE
7:21:29PM AND GET IT.
7:21:30PM IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DID HERE LOCALLY FOR ANYBODY TO
7:21:33PM CHALLENGE THE CALCULATION, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING THAT
7:21:37PM ONE.
7:21:37PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, WE ALWAYS HAVE A GAP, AND I JUST
7:21:43PM LOOK AT TWO ELDERLY PEOPLE, AND THEY -- ONE YEAR THEY MAKE
7:21:48PM $17,000.
7:21:49PM NOW, THEY CAN'T GET ANY ASSISTANCE AT ALL.
7:21:52PM BUT THEY'RE ELDERLY.
7:21:54PM THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY OTHER TYPE OF INCOME.
7:21:55PM IT'S NOT GROWING.
7:21:56PM SO NOW THEY'RE IN THAT GAP.
7:21:58PM SO, AGAIN, THEY'RE ELDERLY.
7:22:01PM 65, 70 YEARS OLD.
7:22:06PM >> I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE MY OFFICE IS THE ONE
7:22:09PM THAT WHEN THAT PERSON IS SLIGHTLY OVER HAS TO SAY NO.
7:22:13PM AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY AND NOT SOMETHING
7:22:17PM EASY TO DO WHEN YOU KNOW A FAMILY IS STRUGGLING.
7:22:19PM I'M SIMPLY GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM HOWEVER IT'S
7:22:22PM DECIDED.
7:22:23PM NOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS FOR 50%, I
7:22:26PM CAN GIVE YOU THAT.
7:22:28PM BUT THIS COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE A DECISION ON HOW YOU WANT THAT
7:22:32PM PROGRAM.
7:22:32PM AND I WILL IMPLEMENT HOWEVER.
7:22:35PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
7:22:38PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:22:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: TWO QUICK QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS.
7:22:42PM YOU ALL MUST HAVE DONE SOME KIND OF MODELING TO ANTICIPATE
7:22:48PM WHAT THE OTHER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM COSTS. IF I REMEMBER
7:22:51PM CORRECTLY, WERE THERE 3,000 PEOPLE ELIGIBLE OR 2900,
7:22:54PM SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
7:22:57PM YOU MUST HAVE SOME MODEL TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD
7:22:59PM COST A YEAR.
7:23:00PM NOW YOU'VE INCREASED IT TO 29,000.
7:23:03PM DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COST IS TO THE CITY IN THE
7:23:07PM DECISION TO EXPAND IT?
7:23:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
7:23:18PM DENNIS ROGERO, INTERIM CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
7:23:20PM YES, AS PRESENTED TO YOU, THE ANTICIPATED MAXIMUM IMPACT TO
7:23:23PM THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THE INITIAL YEAR IS APPROXIMATELY
7:23:25PM $1.4 MILLION.
7:23:28PM IF I COULD ADD JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ON THAT.
7:23:32PM WITH THIS SETUP, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE ABSORBED BY THE
7:23:38PM GENERAL FUND.
7:23:39PM THE SAME FUND THAT WE'RE OFTEN EMPHASIZING IN TERMS OF NOT
7:23:42PM ONLY WHAT OUR MOST FLEXIBLE FUNDING SOURCE IT, BUT, AGAIN,
7:23:48PM YOU'LL RECALL THE VERY RECENT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
7:23:51PM SENSITIVITY WE FEEL OF THOSE PARTICULAR RESERVES.
7:23:54PM THAT'S THE IMPACT.
7:23:54PM ABOUT $1.4 MILLION BASED ON THE SCENARIO JUST PRESENTED TO
7:24:00PM YOU.
7:24:02PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT AT 100% SUBSCRIPTION OF IT OR IS
7:24:06PM THAT SOME MODEL ESTIMATED USAGE?
7:24:10PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS PRESUMING EVERYBODY ELIGIBLE, THAT
7:24:12PM WE ANTICIPATE IS ELIGIBLE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE PROGRAM.
7:24:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF, MS. McCLEARY, IF
7:24:19PM YOU WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THIS.
7:24:21PM IS IT POSSIBLE, WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM,
7:24:24PM SOMEBODY LOST THEIR JOB FOR A TEMPORARY AMOUNT OF TIME THAT
7:24:26PM WE COVER THEM FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME?
7:24:29PM IN THE BEGINNING OF ALL THIS WE TALKED ABOUT A UNIVERSAL
7:24:31PM FUND.
7:24:32PM IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WE HAVE TO HELP PEOPLE GET
7:24:34PM THROUGH A GAP?
7:24:35PM >> NOT THROUGH THE CITY.
7:24:36PM BUT THOSE PROGRAMS ARE PROVIDED THROUGH THE COUNTY.
7:24:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
7:24:41PM YOU HAD FURTHER QUESTIONS.
7:24:45PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON THIS ISSUE WITH VANESSA, IF WE WANT TO
7:24:49PM FINISH IT AND THEN I'LL ASK MORE TECHNICAL FINANCIAL
7:24:52PM QUESTIONS.
7:24:52PM MR. BAIRD, I THINK I PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN HERE FOR A RATE
7:25:04PM HIKE, I THINK.
7:25:06PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I WAS PROBABLY PRESENTING BACK THEN, TOO.
7:25:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT FEELS VERY FAMILIAR.
7:25:11PM I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AS RELATED TO THE RATE HIKE.
7:25:17PM LET ME START OUT BY SAYING YOU ALL HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD
7:25:20PM JOB.
7:25:20PM I ACTUALLY READ THROUGH ALL OF THESE MASTER PLANS.
7:25:26PM CHUCK AND ERIC SENT THEM TO ME BY E-MAIL AND I'VE READ
7:25:29PM THROUGH THEM.
7:25:30PM I THINK THEY ARE VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
7:25:32PM SOME OF THEM ARE AMAZINGLY TECHNICAL WHICH SOME OF THEM WENT
7:25:35PM OVER MY HEAD IN TERMS OF THE PLANT OPERATIONS AND THE
7:25:37PM CHOICES, THE CHOICES THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED TO BE MADE IN
7:25:40PM TERMS OF OPTIONS, CERTAIN OPTIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
7:25:44PM I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE ARE TOTALLY NAILED DOWN YET.
7:25:46PM AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHICH DIRECTION YOU NAILED THEM
7:25:49PM DOWN.
7:25:50PM BUT WE CAN GET TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
7:25:52PM BUT GOING BACK TO -- OH, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS NEED.
7:25:57PM I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE NEED.
7:26:00PM I AGREE THAT WE HAVE PIPES COLLAPSING.
7:26:03PM I AGREE WE HAVE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE AT PLANTS, PUMPING
7:26:07PM STATIONS, ET CETERA.
7:26:09PM I JUST WANT TO BE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR ON THOSE ISSUES BEFORE I
7:26:12PM ASK SOME TOUGH QUESTIONS, BUT YOU CAN HANDLE IT.
7:26:16PM BUT IN PRIOR YEARS, WHEN YOU'VE ASKED FOR RATE HIKES, HOW
7:26:25PM LONG DID THEY LAST, THE RATE HIKES?
7:26:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD: SO IN PRIOR YEARS, AND FOR MANY YEARS, WATER,
7:26:34PM WASTEWATER, AND STORMWATER, SOLID WASTE ALTERNATED EVERY
7:26:40PM THREE YEARS.
7:26:41PM THAT WAS DONE FOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS STRAIGHT, DURING THE
7:26:46PM GRECO YEARS AND THEN SOME IN THE EARLY IORIO YEARS.
7:26:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SORT OF LEAPFROG THING?
7:26:52PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT WAS A LEAPFROG THING.
7:26:53PM HOWEVER, THOSE INCREASES WERE VERY MODEST.
7:26:59PM THE 3% KIND OF INCREASES.
7:27:02PM AND SO THE FIRST YEAR YOUR REVENUES WERE HIGHER THAN YOUR
7:27:08PM NEEDS, AND YOU WERE ABLE TO DO WELL.
7:27:14PM ON THAT SECOND YEAR, YOU ABOUT BROKE EVEN.
7:27:17PM ON THE THIRD YEAR, YOU WEREN'T RECEIVING ENOUGH REVENUE TO
7:27:21PM MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS.
7:27:22PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, WHAT'S BLOWING MY MIND HERE IS THIS
7:27:24PM 20-YEAR ASK.
7:27:26PM OKAY?
7:27:26PM BECAUSE I THINK IT'S UNPRECEDENTED.
7:27:33PM THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION THAT TYPICALLY IN THE PAST
7:27:36PM SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THREE TO FIVE YEARS OF RATE
7:27:38PM HIKES.
7:27:39PM YOU JUST SAID IT WAS BASICALLY THREE YEARS PER DEPARTMENT.
7:27:42PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
7:27:43PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR A
7:27:47PM 20-YEAR RATE HIKE COMMITMENT, NOT ONLY FROM -- WELL,
7:27:51PM INITIALLY FROM THIS COUNCIL AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW,
7:27:55PM FROM THE COMMUNITY, IF THIS COUNCIL VOTES FOR IT.
7:27:58PM THAT'S WHAT'S SORT OF BLOWING MY MIND.
7:28:01PM I KNOW WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT BOND ISSUES
7:28:08PM AND BOND ABILITY AND THAT SORT OF THING.
7:28:12PM I KNOW YOU WANT TO KEEP THIS 50-50 PAY AS YOU GO VERSUS
7:28:17PM BONDING.
7:28:17PM BUT I GUESS MY CORE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE -- AND I'D LIKE
7:28:23PM TO -- IF YOU COULD THROW UP THAT CHART.
7:28:27PM IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THIS, BRAD.
7:28:29PM IF YOU WANT TO BORROW THIS, YOU CAN BORROW THIS.
7:28:32PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YEAH, IF WE COULD IN THE BACK BRING UP THE
7:28:35PM SLIDE SHOW AGAIN.
7:28:39PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A GLACIER OR
7:28:44PM SOMETHING.
7:28:50PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE I SHOWED, RIGHT?
7:29:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I CAN'T EXACTLY READ IT, BUT IT LOOKS
7:29:09PM LIKE A HUGE CHUNK OF MONEY, A HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF FOR US TO
7:29:14PM DO AMAZING THINGS BETWEEN 20 -- WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PAST
7:29:21PM '18 AND '19.
7:29:22PM LET'S LOOK AT 2020 -- BETWEEN 2020 AND 2025, I CAN'T
7:29:28PM CALCULATE EXACTLY HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS, BUT IT REPRESENTS
7:29:35PM A LOT OF GREAT STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WE COULD DO
7:29:39PM WITHIN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
7:29:40PM AND THE OTHER REASON I PICKED FIVE YEARS, MR. SHELBY WAS
7:29:44PM REMINDING ME OF THIS THE OTHER DAY, NOT AS RELATED TO THIS
7:29:47PM ISSUE, BUT OUR TYPICAL C.I.P. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, AS
7:29:52PM I RECALL, ARE FIVE-YEAR PLANS.
7:29:55PM >>BRAD BAIRD: UM-HUM.
7:29:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE LOOK OUT FIVE YEARS, SEE WHAT'S
7:29:59PM NEEDED, PLAN FOR IT.
7:30:02PM DENNIS DOES HIS NUMBER CRUNCHING FOR IT.
7:30:04PM EVERYBODY GETS GEARED UP FOR IT.
7:30:06PM COUNCIL APPROVES IT.
7:30:06PM I THINK WE JUST APPROVED IT THE OTHER NIGHT ON FIRST
7:30:10PM READING.
7:30:11PM AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE ON A FIVE-YEAR BASIS.
7:30:14PM AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE COMPELLING REASON, EVEN THOUGH
7:30:18PM THE MASTER PLANS CLEARLY TELL US WHAT WE COULD DO.
7:30:24PM TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE -- YOU AND I HAVE RAISED A
7:30:27PM BUNCH OF CHILDREN.
7:30:28PM YOU MORE THAN ME.
7:30:31PM BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE KIDS, WHAT THEY WANT, NOT TO SAY
7:30:35PM YOU'RE A KID OR ANYTHING, EVEN THOUGH YOU WISH, BUT THE KID
7:30:38PM SAYING WHAT THEY WANT VERSUS WHAT THEY NEED.
7:30:41PM AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT A FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT AND A -- AND
7:30:50PM THE ACCOMMODATED -- THE ASSOCIATED FIVE-YEAR RATE HIKE,
7:30:54PM WHICH IS NOT INSIGNIFICANT, GIVING YOU THE BASE RATE THAT
7:30:58PM YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, IN THOSE FIRST FIVE YEARS, GIVING YOU
7:31:03PM THE ERU INCREASE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THOSE FIVE
7:31:06PM YEARS.
7:31:07PM NOT REALLY CHANGING ANYTHING, BUT SORT OF CUTTING IT THERE,
7:31:11PM AND THEN REGROUPING.
7:31:15PM OR EVEN AFTER TWO OR THREE YEARS TO SEE HOW THINGS ARE
7:31:18PM GOING, AND THEN COME BACK TO LOOK AT AN ADDITIONAL X NUMBER
7:31:23PM OF YEARS SO WE CAN KEEP LEAPFROGGING.
7:31:25PM I HAVEN'T HEARD A COMPELLING REASON TO LOOK AT 20 YEARS -- A
7:31:34PM 20-YEAR COMMITMENT.
7:31:35PM AND THE OTHER PART OF THE 20-YEAR COMMITMENT THAT CONCERNS
7:31:37PM ME -- AND THIS, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SPOKE TO
7:31:41PM COMPARING US TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORING GOVERNMENTS.
7:31:44PM YOU ALL DID A GOOD JOB WITH THE SLIDES.
7:31:57PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU.
7:31:58PM WE WORKED HARD ON THEM.
7:31:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL OF THEM.
7:32:00PM THEY ARE ALL GOOD.
7:32:01PM IS THAT IT?
7:32:02PM >>BRAD BAIRD: COMPARING TO THE OTHER UTILITIES?
7:32:05PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, THAT IS IT.
7:32:07PM THE OTHER ONE IS THAT -- WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS IT OR
7:32:16PM NOT.
7:32:16PM DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT SHOWED THE YEARS?
7:32:22PM >>BRAD BAIRD: COMPARED TO THE 300 WITHOUT THE 300.
7:32:24PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT.
7:32:25PM LOOK AT THE BLOCK DOT ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS THE $80 PEER
7:32:31PM GROUP.
7:32:31PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
7:32:32PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I RECOGNIZE THAT'S IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.
7:32:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD: RIGHT.
7:32:34PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO EVERYBODY WOULD BE ANTICIPATED TO
7:32:37PM INCREASE SOMEWHAT.
7:32:38PM WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT.
7:32:40PM >>BRAD BAIRD: UM-HUM.
7:32:40PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE JUST 3% EVERY YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE
7:32:43PM THAT.
7:32:43PM BUT ANYWAY, SO IF YOU GO ACROSS THAT $80 PEER GROUP, WHERE
7:32:51PM DOES THAT HIT YOUR PROPOSAL?
7:32:53PM WELL, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IT HITS RIGHT AROUND THE FIVE
7:32:56PM YEARS.
7:32:57PM >>BRAD BAIRD: ACTUALLY IT'S 2028.
7:32:59PM IT'S EIGHT YEARS.
7:33:05PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHICH LINE ARE WE LOOKING AT?
7:33:07PM LOOKING AT THE BLUE LINE.
7:33:09PM WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BLUE LINE NOW.
7:33:11PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YEAH, THE BLUE LINE.
7:33:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 2027 AND A HALF.
7:33:14PM I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.
7:33:16PM [ LAUGHTER ]
7:33:17PM BOTTOM LINE IS, I'M NOT THAT FAR OFF.
7:33:20PM THAT'S FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
7:33:21PM SIX YEARS.
7:33:22PM SIX AND A HALF YEARS.
7:33:23PM AND THAT'S WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, GET RIGHT INTO THE AVERAGE.
7:33:27PM NOW, GIVEN THEY'D BE UP A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS
7:33:32PM EVERYONE WILL BE GOING UP.
7:33:35PM BUT IF WE SAY, OKAY, LET'S JUST STICK WITH THIS 20-YEAR
7:33:38PM PLAN, FOLKS, WE'RE AT $41.29 RIGHT NOW.
7:33:41PM IN THE 20 YEAR PLAN IT TALKS ABOUT TRIPLING, ALMOST TRIPLE.
7:33:47PM SO IF WE VOTED THIS WAY FOR 20 YEARS, IT TRIPLES, OR ALMOST
7:33:54PM TRIPLES, UP TO $114 FOR THE AVERAGE -- THE AVERAGE FAMILY,
7:33:58PM THE AVERAGE BILL.
7:34:00PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OKAY.
7:34:00PM THREE THINGS.
7:34:02PM I HAVE GOOD ANSWERS FOR YOU.
7:34:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHAT IS THE
7:34:05PM COMPELLING REASON TO GO BEYOND FIVE YEARS?
7:34:07PM TONIGHT.
7:34:09PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THREE PARTS TO THAT.
7:34:10PM FIRST OF ALL, THE FOUR MASTER PLANS ARE 20-YEAR MASTER
7:34:14PM PLANS.
7:34:14PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
7:34:15PM >>BRAD BAIRD: SECONDLY, THAT THE 20-YEAR EXPENDITURES THAT
7:34:21PM WE'RE PROPOSING GET YOU CAUGHT UP AT THAT 20 YEARS.
7:34:27PM YOU ARE NOT CAUGHT UP AT 10 YEARS OR 5 YEARS.
7:34:31PM AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU HAVE STILL A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE
7:34:34PM THAT'S BEYOND ITS USEFUL LIFE.
7:34:37PM AND, AGAIN, IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO BE REACTIVE.
7:34:41PM SO YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE REACTIVE.
7:34:44PM WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS GET CAUGHT UP AT THE END OF THAT 20
7:34:49PM YEARS, PLUS OR MINUS A YEAR OR TWO, AND THEN START BEING
7:34:53PM PROACTIVE MORE AND MORE AND MORE, BEING 80% PROACTIVE, NOT
7:34:59PM 80% REACTIVE, AND GETTING AHEAD OF THAT.
7:35:04PM GETTING AHEAD OF THAT CURVE.
7:35:06PM GETTING THOSE THINGS REPLACED.
7:35:08PM BECAUSE I'LL REMIND YOU, THIS SLIDE --
7:35:27PM WE STARTED PUTTING IN A LOT OF PIPE, YES, AFTER
7:35:29PM WORLD WAR II, BUT THESE LINES, AND THE MILES OF PIPE WE PUT
7:35:33PM IN IN THE '60s -- I'M SORRY, '50s, '60s, '70s,
7:35:41PM '80s, IT'S A LOT OF PIPE.
7:35:43PM AND YOU WANT TO BE AHEAD OF THAT.
7:35:44PM IT'S EVEN MORE PIPE.
7:35:46PM AND THEN THOSE PIPES ARE 80 YEARS OLD.
7:35:49PM YOU DON'T WANT TO BE REPLACING THOSE PIPES AT A HUNDRED
7:35:52PM YEARS OLD BECAUSE YOU'LL STILL BE JUST AS REACTIVE.
7:35:55PM SO THAT'S THE SECOND REASON.
7:35:57PM THE THIRD REASON IS IF I CAN -- OOPS.
7:36:02PM GO DOWN TO THIS SLIDE.
7:36:07PM I'LL REMIND YOU THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE OUT YEARS, WE HAVE
7:36:14PM -- WHEN WE GET PAST THE FIRST -- WHAT IS THIS?
7:36:18PM TWO -- I'M SORRY.
7:36:21PM ESPECIALLY FOR -- ON THE CONSUMPTION RATE INCREASES.
7:36:25PM WHEN YOU GET PAST THE FIRST FOUR, NOT INCLUDING THE FIRST
7:36:30PM TWO.
7:36:31PM YOU HAVE FOUR YEARS -- FIVE YEARS THAT ARE ABOVE THAT 3% YOU
7:36:36PM MENTIONED.
7:36:36PM AFTER THAT IT'S 1% THROUGH FISCAL YEAR '40.
7:36:43PM IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN A COST ESCALATION AT THAT
7:36:47PM POINT.
7:36:47PM WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
7:36:50PM THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT MOST UTILITIES HAVE A PRICE
7:36:55PM ESCALATION AUTOMATICALLY BUILT IN.
7:36:58PM SO THOSE ARE THE THREE REASONS THAT I HAVE FOR YOUR FIRST
7:37:05PM QUESTION.
7:37:10PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M SORRY, SIR.
7:37:11PM I BELIEVE I HAVE A FOURTH REASON.
7:37:13PM EVERYTHING BRAD SAID WAS CORRECT.
7:37:15PM BUT REFERENCE, IF YOU COULD PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP, PLEASE.
7:37:18PM YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM THERE, OF COURSE, AND BRAD
7:37:20PM EXPLAINED EARLIER, FOR SIMPLIFICATION PURPOSES IT'S ABOUT
7:37:23PM HALF PAY AS YOU GO AND ABOUT HALF BONDED.
7:37:26PM A FIVE-YEAR INCREASE, FOR INSTANCE, WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT HOW
7:37:31PM MUCH FUNDING WE CAN BOND, WHICH WOULD MEAN WE'D HAVE TO PAY
7:37:34PM MORE AS YOU GO.
7:37:35PM BECAUSE WHEN YOU ISSUE DEBT, THEY WANT A DEDICATED REVENUE
7:37:39PM SOURCE FOR A SUFFICIENT PERIOD OF TIME TO PAY THAT DEBT.
7:37:42PM AND, OF COURSE, THE LESS YOU BOND AND THE MORE PAY AS YOU
7:37:45PM GO, A DOLLAR TODAY WILL BE WORTH LESS TOMORROW.
7:37:50PM AND THE ECONOMICS DAY.
7:37:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SORT OF --
7:37:54PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND THE COST, AS BRAD SAID --
7:37:56PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KIND OF ANTICIPATED THAT.
7:37:59PM IT LEADS ME TO ANOTHER QUESTION ON MY PAGE, WHICH IS, ARE
7:38:04PM YOU REALLY GOING TO TAKE DOWN THAT MONEY FOR YEARS 6 THROUGH
7:38:08PM 10 AND START PAYING INTEREST ON IT IN ADVANCE OF USING IT?
7:38:12PM I WOULDN'T THINK SO.
7:38:16PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO.
7:38:17PM I'M TRYING TO SIMPLIFY.
7:38:19PM WE WOULD TIME THE DEBT DRAW DOWN BASED ON WHAT LOGISTICALLY
7:38:24PM CAN BE DONE WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE.
7:38:25PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
7:38:25PM YOU TAKE OUT BONDS IN SERIES.
7:38:27PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, YOU DO.
7:38:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU MIGHT DO A FIVE-YEAR PACKAGE, AND
7:38:30PM THEN ANOTHER FIVE-YEAR PACKAGE AND ANOTHER FIVE-YEAR
7:38:35PM PACKAGE.
7:38:35PM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A BETTER RATE NECESSARILY ON THAT
7:38:37PM SECOND YEAR 6 THROUGH 10 JUST BECAUSE WE'VE APPROVED IT IN
7:38:42PM ADVANCE NOW.
7:38:45PM I THINK MAYBE YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT.
7:38:48PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: UM-HUM.
7:38:49PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY POINT IS, I'M NOT SAYING -- AND CAN
7:38:51PM YOU GO BACK TO THE ONE THAT HAS THE BIG HUMP.
7:39:02PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS ADDED ON TO O & M.
7:39:06PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: USING A SOPHISTICATED TERM THERE.
7:39:08PM OKAY.
7:39:15PM I'M NOT SAYING THAT A COUNCIL FOUR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW
7:39:22PM WOULDN'T CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S A WELL
7:39:26PM THOUGHT-OUT PROGRAM, OKAY, BASED UPON GOOD COMPREHENSIVE
7:39:33PM MASTER PLANS, ET CETERA.
7:39:34PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS A RECESSION.
7:39:39PM THERE'S A VERY GOOD REASON -- YOU DIDN'T STAND IN FRONT OF
7:39:44PM THE COUNCIL FOUR, FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
7:39:47PM RECESSION OR COMING OUT OF THE RECESSION WITH A PROGRAM.
7:39:50PM THE NEEDS WERE STILL THERE.
7:39:53PM THE NEEDS HAVE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG, BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE
7:39:57PM DONE IT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY.
7:39:59PM IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SMART.
7:40:00PM IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANYTHING, AND THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T DO
7:40:03PM IT.
7:40:03PM THAT'S WHY THAT MAYOR DIDN'T DO IT.
7:40:06PM NOW, THINGS ARE OKAY, ALTHOUGH THERE'S LITTLE WHISPERS OF
7:40:10PM RECESSION THAT SCARES ALL OF US, I THINK, AND SOME COUNCIL
7:40:15PM MEMBER MENTIONED IT THE OTHER DAY.
7:40:17PM BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME AGAIN IS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THIS
7:40:25PM 20-YEAR COMMITMENT THAT HAS -- TYPICALLY IT DOESN'T HAVE AN
7:40:29PM OUT CLAUSE NECESSARILY, AN ESCAPE VALVE.
7:40:33PM I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT IN THIS PROGRAM.
7:40:38PM AND WHAT IF THERE WAS A RECESSION TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM
7:40:41PM NOW, AND YET WE'VE STILL -- NOW WE HAVE A 20-YEAR COMMITMENT
7:40:46PM AS OPPOSED TO A 5-YEAR COMMITMENT?
7:40:49PM IT'S KIND OF IRONIC BECAUSE I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF AN
7:40:51PM OVERLY CONSERVATIVE GUY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS FROM A
7:40:55PM CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVE, AND I THINK THAT US APPROVING THIS
7:41:00PM ON A TRUNCATED VERSION OF FIVE YEARS AT A TIME, I THINK IS
7:41:04PM VERY CONSERVATIVE.
7:41:08PM AND APPROPRIATE.
7:41:11PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT,
7:41:14PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
7:41:15PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
7:41:18PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OUR RECESSION, AS YOU RECALL LAST TIME, WAS
7:41:22PM BASICALLY 2007 THROUGH 2010.
7:41:24PM OUR LAST RATE INCREASES WERE FROM 2007 TO 2011.
7:41:28PM SO WE KEPT THOSE, AND THOSE WERE -- I DON'T HAVE THOSE OFF
7:41:33PM THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
7:41:34PM MAYBE MIKE PERRY DOES.
7:41:38PM BUT THEY WERE MORE ON A CONSUMPTION RATE INCREASE THAN WE'RE
7:41:42PM PROPOSING HERE IN THOSE FINAL TEN YEARS.
7:41:47PM WE DID NOT SUSPEND THOSE RATE INCREASES.
7:41:51PM AND IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THEM, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN MORE
7:41:54PM -- WE WOULD HAVE BEEN HURTING A LOT MORE RIGHT NOW.
7:41:57PM I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
7:41:59PM WE DID GO THROUGH THE RECESSION WITH THE RATE INCREASES FOR
7:42:01PM FIVE YEARS.
7:42:02PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT YOU DIDN'T -- CORRECT ME IF I'M
7:42:05PM WRONG, THOUGH, I DON'T THINK YOU CAME TO COUNCIL WHEN THE
7:42:08PM RECESSION -- YOU KNOW, AFTER PRESIDENT OBAMA CAME INTO
7:42:12PM OFFICE AND EVERYBODY KNEW WE WERE IN DEEP YOU KNOW WHAT WHEN
7:42:15PM ALL THE BANKS WERE CRASHING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I DON'T
7:42:17PM THINK YOU CAME TO COUNCIL AND ASKED FOR AN INCREASE AFTER
7:42:20PM THAT POINT, RIGHT?
7:42:21PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT WAS 2007.
7:42:24PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT HE GOT SWORN IN 2008, AND IT WAS AT
7:42:27PM THE END OF 2007 THAT THE -- THAT ALL THE BANKS WERE
7:42:32PM CRASHING, AND EVERYBODY KNEW THAT THERE WAS A SEVERE
7:42:35PM PROBLEM.
7:42:35PM I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU CAME IN --
7:42:37PM >>BRAD BAIRD: 2007 FOR WATER, WE CAME IN IN 2009 FOR
7:42:42PM WASTEWATER.
7:42:43PM SO WE DID COME IN AT THAT TIME.
7:42:46PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW BIG WAS THAT REQUEST?
7:42:47PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THE WASTEWATER, ACTUALLY, THE INCREASE WAS
7:42:50PM BIGGER THAN WATER BECAUSE WE HAD TO WAIT THOSE TWO YEARS,
7:42:53PM BECAUSE MAYOR IORIO WANTED TO STAGGER THAT.
7:42:57PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS LIKE 3% OR SOMETHING?
7:43:00PM >>BRAD BAIRD: MIKE, DO YOU REMEMBER?
7:43:02PM WE DON'T REMEMBER THAT OFF THE TOP OF OUR HEADS.
7:43:04PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
7:43:05PM ANYWAY, AGAIN, I JUST THINK A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH
7:43:10PM LOOKING AT -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
7:43:13PM HOW MUCH IS THAT FIVE-YEAR THING?
7:43:15PM I WAS TRYING TO ADD IT UP JUST NOW.
7:43:17PM THE FIRST YEAR IS 250 MILLION.
7:43:18PM THE SECOND YEAR IS 300 MILLION.
7:43:20PM THE THIRD YEAR IS 300 MILLION PLUS --
7:43:26PM >> THAT'S ABOUT A BILLION.
7:43:27PM JUST IN THOSE THREE YEARS.
7:43:28PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
7:43:30PM THAT'S MY POINT.
7:43:30PM IT'S NOT CHUMP CHANGE.
7:43:32PM WHAT'S THE BIGGEST PROJECT THE CITY HAS EVER UNDERTAKEN?
7:43:43PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THE LAST BIGGEST WAS AT THE HOWARD F. CURREN
7:43:45PM FACILITY WHEN WE EXPANDED FROM 60 TO 96 MILLION GALLONS A
7:43:50PM DAY.
7:43:50PM AND THAT WAS ABOUT $120 MILLION.
7:43:52PM BUT THE LAST ONE BEFORE THAT WAS IN THE 1970s WHEN WE
7:43:58PM EXPANDED AND BUILT THE ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT
7:44:02PM DOWN ON HOOKER'S POINTE.
7:44:04PM AT TIME HOOKER'S ADVANCED WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
7:44:08PM IT WAS ABOUT $100 MILLION IN 1970'S NUMBERS.
7:44:12PM IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT IT COST TO BUILD THE TAMPA
7:44:15PM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
7:44:15PM IT WAS THE BIGGEST INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT IN THE CITY AT
7:44:20PM THAT TIME, AND WAS THEREAFTER FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS.
7:44:27PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF THIS COUNCIL GAVE YOU FIVE YEARS'
7:44:31PM APPROVAL TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT BEING STINGY.
7:44:33PM WE'RE AUTHORIZING YOU TO HAVE RATE HIKES -- AND I'M NOT EVEN
7:44:38PM SAYING CHANGE THOSE RATE HIKES.
7:44:40PM I'M SAYING TRUNCATE THEM AT FIVE YEARS.
7:44:42PM WE'RE GIVING YOU RATE HIKES THAT PAY, AS DENNIS SAID,
7:44:47PM SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A BILLION DOLLARS INSTEAD
7:44:48PM OF THE 2.9.
7:44:50PM NOW, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU CAN'T COME BACK, LIKE I SAY, AT
7:44:54PM THREE YEARS FROM NOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SAY, BOY, WE
7:44:57PM ARE DOING GREAT.
7:44:58PM WE'RE MANAGING THIS PROGRAM GREAT.
7:44:59PM WE'VE PROVED OURSELVES, YOU KNOW, SUPER, UP FOR THE TASK.
7:45:05PM NOW WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM.
7:45:07PM THERE'S NOTHING -- THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THAT.
7:45:09PM AND -- AND, BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT IN A RECESSION, SO THIS
7:45:13PM ISN'T POTENTIALLY HURTING -- HURTING FOLKS.
7:45:16PM LET ME -- LET ME THROW A FEW OTHER ISSUES OUT THERE
7:45:20PM REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE GO ON THIS TONIGHT.
7:45:22PM I HAVE WMBE CONCERNS ON THIS, AND I'VE EXPRESSED THEM --
7:45:28PM WHERE IS HE RUNNING?
7:45:29PM ANYWAY, I HAD WMBE CONCERNS ON THIS, THEY ARE NOT REALLY
7:45:34PM CONCERNS, BUT WHAT I'VE SAID TO YOU, BRAD, ON SEVERAL
7:45:37PM OCCASIONS, IS THIS -- THIS IS A 3 BILLION OR A $1 BILLION
7:45:42PM OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE GREAT STRIDES ON OUR WOMEN AND
7:45:47PM MINORITY BUSINESS ENTERPRISE PROGRAM, MUCH BETTER THAN WE
7:45:53PM HAVE IN THE PAST.
7:45:55PM THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
7:45:58PM AND BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A HUGE CHUNK OF MONEY, SOME OF THAT --
7:46:03PM A LOT OF THAT MONEY SHOULD STAY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
7:46:06PM A LOT OF THAT MONEY SHOULD BE IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN
7:46:07PM COMMUNITY, IN THE OTHER MINORITY PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
7:46:12PM I HAVEN'T HEARD THE FIRST WORD ON THAT IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE
7:46:18PM GOING TO DO IT, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO BETTER, WHAT OUR GOAL
7:46:23PM IS.
7:46:24PM IS IT 20% GOAL?
7:46:26PM IS IT A 25% GOAL?
7:46:28PM JUST HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE OURSELVES IN THAT REGARD.
7:46:32PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IF I MAY ADDRESS THAT, IN OUR OPINION, AND
7:46:37PM I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH GREGORY HART ON THIS, A FEW
7:46:42PM THINGS.
7:46:43PM THE DESIGN-BUILD PROCESS I THINK GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO
7:46:49PM REALLY
7:46:52PM IMPROVE ON THAT.
7:46:52PM AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO BE ABLE
7:46:57PM TO DO THAT.
7:46:59PM YOU KNOW THE GOALS ARE SET PROJECT BY PROJECT, DEPENDING ON
7:47:03PM WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE IN THOSE PROJECTS.
7:47:06PM SO SOME ARE GOING TO BE MORE THAN OTHERS.
7:47:09PM SOME YOU MAY BE WELL UP TO 50% AND SOME DOWN, YOU KNOW,
7:47:13PM QUITE A BIT LOWER.
7:47:14PM SO WE THINK, AND AS YOU KNOW, THOSE TEAMS ARE SELECTED, AND
7:47:20PM THEY ARE SCORED BASED ON THEIR PERCENT PARTICIPATION, TO BE
7:47:24PM ABLE TO PRESENT.
7:47:26PM THAT'S ONE THING.
7:47:28PM SOME OF THE SMALLER ITEMS THAT HOPEFULLY CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED
7:47:34PM THROUGH THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING SYSTEM, WE CAN PUT
7:47:37PM REQUIREMENTS IN THERE.
7:47:40PM AND GREGORY SPEARMAN IS TALKING ABOUT DOING JUST THAT.
7:47:44PM SO THAT IN ORDER TO GET THE WORK, YOU NEED TO STEP UP TO THE
7:47:47PM PLATE AND HAVE WMBE PARTICIPATION.
7:47:51PM SO WE THINK IN THOSE TWO AREAS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
7:47:54PM SEE AN INCREASE IN WMBE PARTICIPATION.
7:47:57PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MR. HART HAS CANDIDLY TOLD US THAT HIS
7:48:02PM STAFF WAS CUT DURING THE RECESSION, OKAY, AND HE'S OPERATING
7:48:06PM AT SOMETHING LIKE HALF THE STAFF THAT HE WAS BEFORE THE
7:48:09PM RECESSION.
7:48:10PM >>BRAD BAIRD: HE FILLED AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE VACANCIES.
7:48:14PM DENNIS, YOU MAY KNOW THAT.
7:48:16PM HE GOT ADDITIONAL AND HE FILLED THEM.
7:48:21PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE BOTTOM LINE, IF IT IS A BILLION
7:48:23PM DOLLARS YOU'RE GETTING, $3 BILLION, 2.9 BILLION YOU'RE
7:48:27PM GETTING, ARE YOU PLANNING ON HIRING SPECIFIC WMBE FOLKS FOR
7:48:31PM THIS PROGRAM?
7:48:35PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
7:48:36PM DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW THAT?
7:48:37PM WE ARE PLANNING ON HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR VANESSA'S FOR
7:48:44PM OBVIOUS REASONS, BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE PROGRAM AND SHE WILL
7:48:48PM NEED STAFF TO PROCESS THAT.
7:48:50PM BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DIVISION IS INCREASING.
7:48:54PM I DO KNOW GREG --
7:48:55PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEANT SPECIFICALLY OUT OF YOUR BUDGET,
7:48:58PM OUT OF THIS BUDGET.
7:48:59PM >>BRAD BAIRD: OUT OF THE 2.9 BILLION.
7:49:02PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH.
7:49:02PM YOU'RE ADDING ENGINEERS.
7:49:04PM YOU'RE ADDING PROJECT MANAGERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE
7:49:09PM YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
7:49:11PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I DON'T KNOW.
7:49:11PM I DON'T THINK WE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF OUR
7:49:14PM HEAD.
7:49:14PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SOUNDS LIKE IT HADN'T BEEN DECIDED ON
7:49:17PM YET.
7:49:17PM >>BRAD BAIRD: LIKE YOU SAY, WE HAVE ADDED STAFF.
7:49:19PM I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THAT AREA OR NOT.
7:49:21PM BUT I WANT TO ADD THAT GREG HART IS IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE
7:49:27PM CONSULTANT COMPETITIVE NEGOTIATION ACT SELECTION.
7:49:29PM I SERVE AS CHAIRMAN.
7:49:31PM AND WE HAVE THAT LONG DISCUSSION AFTER THOSE PRESENTATIONS
7:49:35PM AFTER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.
7:49:36PM HE IS CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN REALLY INCREASE THAT
7:49:41PM PARTICIPATION THROUGH THIS PROGRAM.
7:49:43PM HE'S PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
7:49:45PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE,
7:49:48PM THAT'S WHY -- THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE MIGHT NEED ADDITIONAL
7:49:52PM STAFFING, NOT JUST ON THE FRONT END, BUT ON THE BACK END, TO
7:49:55PM MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S COMPLIANCE.
7:49:57PM THE LAST ONE -- THE LAST THING I HAD WAS RELATED TO IMPACT
7:50:01PM FEES.
7:50:03PM I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL SUMMER LONG THAT IF SOME OF THIS MONEY
7:50:08PM IS RELATED TO FUTURE NEEDS, I'M NOT SURE IT IS ANYMORE.
7:50:13PM IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR.
7:50:14PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, IT'S NOT ANYMORE.
7:50:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE 300 MILLION IS OUT, WHICH IS THE
7:50:19PM FUTURE NEEDS.
7:50:19PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
7:50:20PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE'LL ADDRESS THAT ANOTHER DAY.
7:50:22PM SO THEREFORE THE IMPACT FEE ISSUE IS NOT ON THE TABLE
7:50:25PM TONIGHT.
7:50:25PM >>BRAD BAIRD: CORRECT.
7:50:26PM IT IS NOT.
7:50:27PM I DO BELIEVE WE ARE COMING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL TOWARD
7:50:29PM THE END OF SEPTEMBER FOR DENNIS AND MIKE TO ADDRESS THE
7:50:36PM RESULTS OF THAT STUDY.
7:50:37PM THAT PART OF THE STUDY LAGGED THE OTHER TWO COMPONENTS.
7:50:41PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE DISCUSSING
7:50:43PM IMPACT FEES A MONTH AFTER WE APPROVE SOMETHING TONIGHT, IF
7:50:46PM IT WAS RELEVANT.
7:50:47PM BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELEVANT.
7:50:49PM >>BRAD BAIRD: IT'S NOT BECAUSE THAT PIECE WAS TAKEN OUT.
7:50:51PM BUT WE STILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES WHEN THAT COMES
7:51:00PM BACK.
7:51:01PM WE NEED TO ADDRESS NOT ALTERNATIVE, BUT NEW WATER SUPPLY IN
7:51:06PM SOME WAY IN THE FUTURE.
7:51:09PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
7:51:10PM IS THERE ANY PRECEDENT FOR 20-YEAR COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL?
7:51:16PM HAVE YOU EVER ASKED COUNCIL FOR A 20-YEAR COMMITMENT ON
7:51:20PM ANYTHING?
7:51:20PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I HAVE NOT THAT I RECALL.
7:51:22PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EVER ASKED COUNCIL FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN
7:51:24PM A FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT ON ANYTHING?
7:51:27PM >>BRAD BAIRD: I DON'T RECALL THAT EITHER.
7:51:30PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY DID ASK FOR A STADIUM FOR 30 YEARS.
7:51:33PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TRUE THAT.
7:51:33PM YOU VOTED AGAINST IT, CHARLIE.
7:51:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW DO YOU KNOW?
7:51:38PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BECAUSE I'VE BEEN AROUND, TOO.
7:51:40PM [ LAUGHTER ]
7:51:40PM I REMEMBER THE BLACK --
7:51:42PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU MEAN YOU BELIEVE A POLITICIAN?
7:51:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I REMEMBER THE BLACK SUIT.
7:51:46PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S HALF BLACK NOW.
7:51:49PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
7:51:52PM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX WAS A 30-YEAR PROGRAM.
7:51:57PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PROJECT OF THIS
7:51:59PM MAGNITUDE?
7:52:00PM >>BRAD BAIRD: NEVER BEEN A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE.
7:52:03PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE CALLING FOR THIS
7:52:05PM AMOUNT OF FUNDING.
7:52:07PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT'S RIGHT.
7:52:08PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, BRAD.
7:52:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A COUPLE OF THINGS.
7:52:10PM YOU DID ASK FOR A COMMITMENT, 30 YEARS FOR THE STORMWATER
7:52:13PM ASSESSMENT BACK IN 2016.
7:52:15PM HOW COULD I FORGET?
7:52:16PM >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
7:52:16PM THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
7:52:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN RESPONSE TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CITRO
7:52:24PM JUST ASKED, HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE,
7:52:27PM STORMWATER AT 251 MILLION-DOLLAR MAY HAVE BEEN THE RECORD UP
7:52:31PM UNTIL THIS POINT.
7:52:32PM NOW, IT'S CLOSER TO $3 BILLION.
7:52:34PM >>BRAD BAIRD: YES.
7:52:35PM MY APOLOGIES FOR LEAVING THAT OUT.
7:52:38PM WE'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB ON THAT, SO THANK YOU FOR
7:52:40PM BRINGING THAT UP.
7:52:41PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS.
7:52:43PM IN COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, COUNTIES, WHATEVER,
7:52:46PM THROUGHOUT THE REGION, WE'RE THE CHEAPEST OR ONE OF THE
7:52:49PM CHEAPEST.
7:52:49PM LOOK AT THE CITY OF CLEARWATER, WHERE IT MAXES OUT.
7:52:51PM IN A CITY OF OUR SIZE WITH THE TERRITORY WE HAVE WITHIN CITY
7:52:59PM LIMITS AND THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, SINCE I BEGAN HERE IN
7:53:02PM 2015, I WOULD SEE AND HEAR OF DAILY WATER MAIN BREAKS.
7:53:06PM AND I WOULD HEAR IT FROM THE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT.
7:53:09PM OH, THIS STREET IS CLOSED AGAIN BECAUSE THE WATER MAIN
7:53:12PM BREAK.
7:53:13PM ONE NIGHT AS I WAS WALKING INTO THE MOVIE THEATER -- LAST
7:53:15PM YEAR I THINK IT WAS -- THE ROME WATER MAIN BREAK.
7:53:21PM "OH, YOU NEED TO GET DOWN THERE."
7:53:23PM WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WHEN THERE'S WATER GUSHING INTO
7:53:25PM PEOPLE'S HOUSES?
7:53:28PM THE CITY IS OUT THERE FIXING IT AND WHATNOT.
7:53:31PM BUT IT'S A DAILY OCCURRENCE.
7:53:31PM I GO ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SOCIAL
7:53:31PM MEDIA ACCOUNTS WITH THE CITY, AND IT'S ROAD CLOSURE UNTIL
7:53:32PM WATER MAIN BREAK, WATER MAIN BREAK.
7:53:34PM BECAUSE I LOVE HISTORY AND I USUALLY BRING UP SOMETHING
7:53:37PM HISTORICAL, AND BECAUSE YOU SHOWED THE CHART OF THE AGE OF
7:53:39PM THE PIPES, MAYOR CURTIS HIXON BACK IN THE '40s AND '50s
7:53:46PM WAS KNOWN AS A BIG PUBLIC WORKS EXPANSION AND INVESTMENT
7:53:49PM MAYOR.
7:53:50PM YOU MENTIONED THOSE.
7:53:50PM THOSE PIPES ARE NOW APPROACHING 70, 80 YEARS OLD.
7:53:53PM MY GRANDMOTHER IS 92.
7:53:55PM BORN IN 1927.
7:53:56PM AND WE HAVE PIPES THAT ARE FAILING, CLAY PIPES, THAT ARE
7:54:00PM OLDER THAN SHE IS.
7:54:01PM YOU KNOW, BUT YOU CAN ONLY REPAIR SO MUCH.
7:54:05PM AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS SO IMPORTANT.
7:54:06PM I GO BACK TO 2016 AND VOTING FOR THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT
7:54:11PM BECAUSE IT WAS A NEED.
7:54:13PM IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE NEED, BUT WE WERE DEALING WITH CONSTANT
7:54:16PM FLOODING ISSUES AT SO MANY OF THE INTERSECTIONS AND AREAS
7:54:20PM THAT YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT.
7:54:21PM SO WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, ALTHOUGH IT'S A HISTORICAL, HUGE
7:54:25PM INVESTMENT, THAT'S THE KEY WORD IS "INVESTMENT."
7:54:28PM AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FIVE-YEAR, LOOKING AT FIVE-YEAR OR 30
7:54:33PM YEAR, WHEN YOU BOND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT
7:54:36PM THE -- YOU GET A BETTER RATE AT 30 YEARS.
7:54:39PM COST MONEY, COSTS INTEREST AND WHATNOT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK
7:54:42PM AT THE FUTURE.
7:54:42PM WE NEED TO LOOK AT TAKING CARE OF THESE PIPES AND NOT FIX AS
7:54:47PM THEY BREAK AND SPENDING ALL -- I MEAN, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY
7:54:50PM THROWING MONEY AWAY EVERY YEAR.
7:54:51PM LAST YEAR, WE SPENT SO MUCH.
7:54:53PM THE YEAR BEFORE WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT CONSTANT WATER
7:54:56PM MAIN BREAKS.
7:54:57PM REPAIR, NECESSITY.
7:54:58PM SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS.
7:55:00PM I UNDERSTAND TAP WAS TAKEN OUT, WHICH I APPRECIATE, WHICH I
7:55:04PM HAVE YET TO MEET ANYONE -- I THINK I SAW SOMEONE ON SOCIAL
7:55:09PM MEDIA SAY THEY WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED IT.
7:55:11PM BUT I COULDN'T GET ANYBODY TO BUY INTO IT.
7:55:13PM I COULDN'T CONVINCE ANYBODY.
7:55:15PM YOU EXPANDED THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, WHICH IS MUCH
7:55:19PM APPRECIATIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR LOWEST
7:55:22PM INCOME, WORKING FAMILIES THAT DO STRUGGLE, BUT WE'RE DOING
7:55:26PM THE BEST WE CAN OR THE ADMINISTRATION IS SHOWING THEIR BEST
7:55:29PM EFFORT.
7:55:30PM AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO WHAT
7:55:33PM COUNCIL HAS ASKED FROM TAP TO THIS TO WHATNOT.
7:55:35PM AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
7:55:36PM SO I THINK THE MAYOR IS DOING A GOOD JOB, THE
7:55:39PM ADMINISTRATION, ALL YOU GUYS.
7:55:40PM BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS A NEED.
7:55:43PM BECAUSE I'M SEEING IT EVERY DAY, THE WATER MAIN BREAKS, THE
7:55:46PM CONSTANT REPAIRS.
7:55:47PM THE CONSTANT ROAD CLOSURES.
7:55:48PM AND I'M ONE TO SAY WE NEED TO PAVE THE ROADS THROUGHOUT THE
7:55:51PM CITY OF TAMPA.
7:55:52PM BUT IF WE'RE CONSTANTLY TEARING THINGS UP, YOU KNOW, WHEN
7:55:55PM WILL WE EVER GET TO THAT FINAL END PRODUCT OF WHAT PEOPLE
7:55:58PM WANT?
7:55:58PM THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
7:56:00PM I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO
7:56:03PM SAY.
7:56:03PM THAT'S WHERE I STAND.
7:56:04PM THANK YOU.
7:56:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
7:56:06PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE LAST THING, AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN
7:56:08PM MANISCALCO.
7:56:09PM I LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AS THE FUTURE, NOT JUST HERE, NOT
7:56:14PM JUST TODAY -- THE FUTURE.
7:56:16PM 20 YEARS FROM TODAY.
7:56:17PM AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
7:56:21PM IT'S TIME TO STOP REPAIRING AND START REPLACING SO WE HAVE A
7:56:26PM GREAT BASE FOR OUR FUTURE.
7:56:28PM I CAN SUPPORT THIS.
7:56:30PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
7:56:34PM >>BILL CARLSON: AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TAP
7:56:39PM AND RESOURCES OUT OF THIS.
7:56:41PM STILL ONE OF THE CONCERNS AND I MENTIONED THIS TO
7:56:43PM MS. McLEAN EARLIER, THE PUBLIC THAT DOESN'T WANT IT, WHICH
7:56:47PM I THINK IS EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO, WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT
7:56:50PM THIS MONEY THAT WE'RE APPROVING IS NOT USED FOR THAT.
7:56:53PM IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE RESOLUTION
7:56:57PM THAT WE'RE PASSING OR SOME WAY WE CAN GET ASSURANCES THAT
7:57:00PM FOR WHOEVER IN THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING, I WANT TO LET THEM
7:57:03PM KNOW I ASKED THE QUESTION.
7:57:04PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET SPENT FOR
7:57:08PM THAT.
7:57:09PM THERE'S A LOT OF PLANNING AND FEASIBILITY STUDIES THAT ARE
7:57:11PM DONE FOR THESE PROJECTS.
7:57:12PM THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT PAID FOR WITH
7:57:15PM THIS MONEY.
7:57:17PM >>JAN McLEAN: JAN McLEAN, OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
7:57:19PM WE DID DISCUSS THIS BRIEFLY BEFORE THE HEARING THIS EVENING.
7:57:25PM AND I CONFERRED WITH -- I'M SORRY.
7:57:32PM ANDREA ZELMAN, TO MAKE SURE THAT MY OPINION WAS ACCURATE.
7:57:40PM THESE RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE THE
7:57:44PM ONES THAT SET OUT THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE
7:57:48PM RATES.
7:57:48PM IT ALSO ESTABLISHES WHAT IS GOING TO -- WITH THE HISTORY OF
7:57:52PM THE RESOLUTIONS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE, WE ARE SUPERSEDING IN
7:57:56PM WHAT WE ARE REPLACING IT WITH.
7:57:58PM YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT THE BASIS FOR THE NEED FOR THIS IS
7:58:02PM ENCOMPASSED WITHIN YOUR WHEREAS CLAUSES, WHICH IS BASED ON
7:58:05PM WHAT YOU HEARD FROM BRAD AND OTHERS TODAY AND PREVIOUSLY,
7:58:09PM BASED ON THE MASTER WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANS AS THEY HAVE
7:58:13PM BEEN SET FORWARD.
7:58:14PM SO WITHIN THOSE PLANS, AND AS YOU HAVE DIRECTED BY YOUR VOTE
7:58:20PM LAST WEEK, THERE IS NO INCLUSION FOR ALTERNATIVE WATER
7:58:24PM SUPPLY MONEY, WHICH EQUALED $300 MILLION, WHICH WE REFLECTED
7:58:29PM IN THE EXHIBIT.
7:58:30PM SO I WOULD RATHER -- AND I THINK THAT IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE
7:58:36PM LEGALLY -- TO NOT HAVE SOME SORT OF DIRECTORY STATEMENT
7:58:39PM WITHIN THE WHEREAS CLAUSES AS FAR AS WHAT IT CAN AND CANNOT
7:58:43PM BE USED FOR BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE MASTER WATER SUPPLY --
7:58:47PM EXCUSE ME, ON THE MASTER WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANS.
7:58:50PM AND THAT'S WHAT THE RATES WILL BE USED FOR.
7:58:52PM THAT'S WHAT YOUR STAFF HAS INDICATED TO YOU THIS EVENING.
7:58:54PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
7:58:56PM THE OTHER QUESTION I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE PUBLIC WAS, JUST TO
7:58:59PM MAKE SURE, AND AGAIN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY.
7:59:01PM I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD.
7:59:03PM THE DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE INCREMENTALLY ALONG
7:59:09PM THE WAY WITH THE MONEY, THEY STILL COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
7:59:11PM SO WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY ANY RIGHTS, FUTURE CITY COUNCIL,
7:59:15PM BECAUSE IT WILL GO WAY BEYOND US FOR 20 YEARS.
7:59:19PM >>JAN McLEAN: ABSOLUTELY.
7:59:20PM THAT IS THE STRONGEST AUTHORED COUNCIL HAS.
7:59:23PM WHENEVER AN EXPENDITURE OF MONEY FOR ANY OF THE PROJECTS,
7:59:25PM THE CONTRACTS WILL COME BACK BEFORE YOU, WHETHER THEY ARE
7:59:27PM THE INCLUSION OF THE ISSUES THAT MR. DINGFELDER RAISED OR
7:59:33PM WHAT THEY ARE EXACTLY TO BE USED FOR, THAT IS WITH THE
7:59:36PM APPROVAL AND AUTHORITY OF COUNCIL.
7:59:39PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST STATEMENT.
7:59:40PM I THINK IT WAS COURAGEOUS OF THE NEW MAYOR TO TAKE ON THIS
7:59:45PM AS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE OR THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE
7:59:49PM BEGINNING.
7:59:50PM SHE'S ADDRESSED A LOT OF ISSUES AND MADE A LOT OF CHANGES,
7:59:52PM WHICH I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT.
7:59:53PM BUT THIS SHOWED POLITICAL COURAGE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT OF ANY
7:59:56PM PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY, AND SHE QUOTES MAYOR IORIO.
7:59:59PM I WENT TO THREE OF THE FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND I SAW HER
8:00:03PM PERSONALLY VOUCH FOR IT AND I SAW THE RESPECT SHE HAD AND
8:00:05PM ENCOURAGEMENT SHE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY.
8:00:07PM I THINK IF SHE'S GOING TO STAND OUT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS
8:00:10PM DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO HELP IN ANYBODY'S REELECTION, I WANT
8:00:13PM TO STAND BESIDE HER AND SUPPORT HER IN THIS.
8:00:15PM THESE KIND OF PROJECTS ARE IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
8:00:18PM THEY ARE NOT THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ACCOLADES ABOUT,
8:00:21PM BUT WE ALSO CAN'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND NOT GET
8:00:25PM THIS DONE.
8:00:25PM SO THANK YOU TO YOU ALL FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
8:00:29PM I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT.
8:00:31PM >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
8:00:36PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I DO AGREE WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS
8:00:40PM MR. DINGFELDER SAID.
8:00:41PM IT IS A HIGH-DOLLAR THAT'S COMING BEFORE US.
8:00:49PM I LOOK AT INCREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE FLOWING
8:00:58PM CORRECTLY AND THE PROJECT GOING.
8:00:59PM TWO, WHEN I LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, LIKE THE CITY OF ORLANDO,
8:01:03PM I LOOK AT THEIR NUMBERS OF MINORITY CONTRACTS.
8:01:07PM I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU'RE ASKING, AND I LOOK AT
8:01:11PM EVERY DAY WHEN I SIT AT THIS COUNCIL EVERY THURSDAY AND TALK
8:01:14PM ABOUT CONTRACTS AND MR. DINGFELDER TALKS ABOUT HOW COME OUR
8:01:17PM NUMBERS ARE DOWN HERE NOT HERE FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE.
8:01:20PM THAT CONCERNS ME.
8:01:21PM LATER DOWN THE LINE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE
8:01:23PM NUMBERS AND HOW WE DO CONTRACTS HERE.
8:01:25PM I SAID LAST WEEK I WOULD SUPPORT THE PROJECT BECAUSE I
8:01:32PM UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR PIPES AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR
8:01:35PM BUSINESS, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IF I HAVE A FIRE IN MY
8:01:40PM BUSINESS, WE HAVE PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE PIPES ARE BURSTING.
8:01:43PM I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM.
8:01:45PM BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS THAT WHEN
8:01:48PM WE GET DOWN THE ROAD, I'M GOING TO BE PRESSING HARD TO MAKE
8:01:51PM SURE THAT WE'LL BE GETTING THOSE NUMBERS UP FOR MINORITY
8:01:54PM CONTRACTS.
8:01:56PM EVERYONE HAS A BAR THEY SET, AND IF THEY DON'T SET THAT ARE
8:01:59PM ABOUT A, PEOPLE DON'T GET CONTRACTS.
8:02:01PM PEOPLE WANT JOBS, WANT CONTRACTS, THEY GOT TO DO WHAT WE
8:02:05PM WANT DONE FOR OUR CITY.
8:02:07PM I THINK -- I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
8:02:11PM I'LL BRING THAT UP EVERY TIME UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT, UNTIL
8:02:14PM WE GET AN ORDINANCE, UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING PUT IN PLACE
8:02:17PM THAT WE'LL HAVE A STANDARD.
8:02:19PM THIS KIND OF MONEY, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE CALLING ME, HOW COME
8:02:22PM WE'RE NOT GETTING CONTRACTS.
8:02:24PM I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT.
8:02:25PM THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOR ME.
8:02:28PM >> THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.
8:02:32PM >> JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
8:02:35PM COUNCILMAN GUDES, I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO WORK WITH WHAT
8:02:38PM YOU JUST SAID.
8:02:38PM I WILL BE PUTTING SPECIAL OVERSIGHT INTO THE PROJECT THAT
8:02:41PM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
8:02:42PM I TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THAT, AND WE NEED TO MOVE THE
8:02:45PM BAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO MOVE IT.
8:02:47PM I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT TO
8:02:49PM WATCH OVER THIS AT THE SAME TIME THAT COUNCIL IS WATCHING
8:02:52PM OVER IT.
8:02:52PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT.
8:02:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:02:55PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT
8:02:57PM MR. DINGFELDER WAS SAYING IN THE NUMBERS, BUT AT THE END,
8:03:00PM YOU HAVE A START AND YOU HAVE AN END.
8:03:03PM WHETHER YOU DO IT IN FIVE-YEAR INCREMENTS OR IN ONE 20-YEAR
8:03:06PM INCREMENT, IT'S STILL 20 YEARS.
8:03:08PM THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF YOU TIE INTO SOMETHING
8:03:11PM NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PROCUREMENT IS GOING TO BE, WHAT
8:03:14PM YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, LADIES AND
8:03:16PM GENTLEMEN, YOUR DEPARTMENT, SO IF YOU TIE IT IN TO PRICE,
8:03:19PM YOU MIGHT GET A BETTER PRICE NOW THAN LATER.
8:03:22PM I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE ON THE 53, 49.
8:03:28PM ANYTIME YOU BOND SOMETHING AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, AT THE END
8:03:31PM OF THE DAY, YOU ONLY GET HALF OF SOMETHING DONE BECAUSE THE
8:03:33PM OTHER HALF WAS SPENT IN INTEREST.
8:03:35PM EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS A COMPONENT OF INTEREST, IT'S CERTAINLY
8:03:38PM MUCH SOFTER THAN BONDING OUT $2.9 BILLION.
8:03:42PM THE RATE OF RETURN WOULD BE VERY DISMAL AS FAR AS
8:03:48PM PRODUCTIVITY IN FIXING THE PIPES, BOTH ON STORMWATER -- I
8:03:51PM MEAN, ON WASTEWATER AND WATER.
8:03:53PM SO I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED WATER AND WASTEWATER.
8:03:58PM 20 YEARS AGO I GUESS YOU AND I WERE THE ONLY ONES AROUND.
8:04:01PM 20 YEARS AGO, YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT A TWO DOLLARS ON
8:04:04PM EACH SIDE.
8:04:07PM IT NEVER HAPPENED FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
8:04:10PM GO TO CLEARWATER, BIMONTHLY MEETING, WE TALK ABOUT THAT FOR
8:04:15PM THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
8:04:17PM WHEN CHUCK WALTERS, WHO I ALMOST FORGOT HIS NAME.
8:04:21PM I CALL HIM KANSAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HE WAS BORN, WE'VE
8:04:24PM TALKED ABOUT THAT.
8:04:25PM THERE IS NO GOOD TIME TO RAISE ANY RATE.
8:04:32PM WHETHER.
8:04:33PM WHETHER IN RECESSION OR TOP OF THE HILL, BECAUSE THAT HILL
8:04:36PM MOVES ON A CONSTANT BASIS.
8:04:39PM AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THESE THINGS, BUT THAT'S WHAT
8:04:42PM WE GOT ELECTED FOR.
8:04:44PM AND I UNDERSTAND.
8:04:45PM I HOPE THE PROGRAM IS ADMINISTERED LIKE IT WAS SAID.
8:04:49PM I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET BY THE INDIVIDUALS WHO OWN UNITS AND
8:04:55PM MAYBE -- I DON'T KNOW IF LEGALLY WE CAN GET -- WE CAN'T PASS
8:04:58PM A LAW PROHIBIT, MAYBE THE LEGISLATURE CAN SAY, IF YOU'RE
8:05:02PM GETTING A BENEFIT BECAUSE YOUR TENANTS ARE OF LESS THAN
8:05:07PM MINIMUM WAGE, MINIMUM WAGE, THEN YOU CAN'T ABSORB THAT
8:05:12PM YOURSELF.
8:05:12PM YOU HAVE TO PASS IT THROUGH.
8:05:13PM I CAN'T DO THAT.
8:05:15PM I DON'T BELIEVE I CAN.
8:05:15PM I THINK ONLY STATE LEGISLATURE CAN DO THAT.
8:05:18PM I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT, AND I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE
8:05:22PM PROJECT. THANK YOU.
8:05:23PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
8:05:27PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BENNETT, THANKS FOR JOINING US THIS
8:05:34PM EVENING.
8:05:35PM I HAD A THOUGHT ON THIS IN TERMS OF REPORTING.
8:05:44PM I THINK THAT, AGAIN, WITH A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, I
8:05:49PM THINK A QUARTERLY REPORT FROM BRAD AND WHATEVER STAFF HE
8:05:56PM WANTS TO SEND UPDATING COUNCIL ON EVERY ASPECT OF THIS
8:06:01PM PROGRAM, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT IS, 5 OR 20 YEARS, WOULD BE
8:06:05PM APPROPRIATE, INCLUDING THE WMBE COMPONENT.
8:06:11PM WOULD YOU, AS CHIEF OF STAFF, HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO WHOEVER
8:06:15PM ENDS UP MAKING THIS MOTION, INCLUDING A QUARTERLY REPORT,
8:06:20PM AUTOMATIC QUARTERLY REPORT FOR AS LONG AS THESE RATE HIKES
8:06:23PM ARE IN EFFECT?
8:06:24PM >> JOHN BENNETT: WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ACCOUNTABILITY,
8:06:28PM COUNCILMAN.
8:06:28PM I ALREADY TALKED TO STAFF IRRESPECTIVE OF THIS PROJECT ABOUT
8:06:32PM THOSE KIND OF REPORTS.
8:06:33PM MAYOR HAS ACTUALLY ALLOWED US TO WORK WITH THE AUDIT
8:06:38PM DEPARTMENT, AND WE ARE ADDING A POSITION JUST FOR THIS TYPE
8:06:42PM OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
8:06:42PM SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE COMPARATIVE STATISTICS,
8:06:46PM WHICH HAS TAKEN US ON GREAT JOURNEYS ABOUT QUALITY ASSURANCE
8:06:49PM IN THE PAST.
8:06:50PM SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING THAT RIGHT INTO THE SAME
8:06:52PM ARENA.
8:06:53PM SO, YES, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT LEVEL OF
8:06:55PM ACCOUNTABILITY.
8:06:56PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THE QUARTERLY REPORTS CAN BE
8:06:58PM REALLY EXCITING.
8:07:00PM >>JOHN BENNETT: ABSOLUTELY.
8:07:01PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BRAD CAN SHOW US WHAT WE'RE
8:07:03PM ACCOMPLISHING.
8:07:04PM I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
8:07:06PM AGAIN, LIKE I SAID THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT PUTTING UP SIGNS
8:07:08PM THAT SAY THIS IS WHERE THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY IS
8:07:13PM GOING.
8:07:13PM >>JOHN BENNETT: RIGHT.
8:07:14PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIMILARLY, THE REPORTS EVERY QUARTER CAN
8:07:17PM SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE THESE RATE HIKES, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE
8:07:19PM ACCOMPLISHING.
8:07:20PM AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, AS YOU SAY, AS RELATED TO
8:07:22PM ACCOUNTABILITY.
8:07:23PM IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US.
8:07:25PM >>JOHN BENNETT: YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S TIME TO CELEBRATE
8:07:27PM WHAT IS UNDERGROUND AS WELL AS WE CELEBRATE WHAT'S
8:07:29PM ABOVEGROUND.
8:07:30PM SO LET'S DO IT.
8:07:30PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
8:07:32PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, THANK YOU.
8:07:33PM I'M STILL ALIVE.
8:07:34PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:07:44PM >>JAN McLEAN: JAN McLEAN AGAIN.
8:07:45PM I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BEFORE ANY MOTIONS ARE MADE, THE
8:07:50PM RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, YOU HAVE WASTEWATER
8:07:54PM RESOLUTION FOR DISPOSAL CHARGES.
8:07:57PM YOU HAVE A WATER RESOLUTION FOR RATES WITH ONE THAT HAD BEEN
8:08:03PM SUBSTITUTED AS OF LAST NIGHT.
8:08:05PM AND THE EXHIBIT C AND D TO THEM RESPECTIVELY THAT WAS
8:08:09PM SUBSTITUTED EARLIER THIS EVENING.
8:08:11PM SO THOSE ARE THE DOCUMENTS ON WHICH YOU ARE --
8:08:16PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
8:08:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JAN, IN REGARD TO TIMING, BRAD STARTED
8:08:23PM OFF THE CONVERSATION BY SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT
8:08:26PM THE RATE HIKE IN OCTOBER FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
8:08:29PM WE'RE GOING TO DO IT NOVEMBER 1st.
8:08:32PM GOOD.
8:08:32PM YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
8:08:33PM IF THIS BOARD APPROVES X TONIGHT, BUT WE TWEAK THE -- I
8:08:50PM CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT VANESSA CALLED THE PROGRAM.
8:08:53PM DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER?
8:08:55PM CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. THANK YOU.
8:08:56PM BUT WE TWEAKED THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
8:08:58PM THAT'S GOING TO MODIFY, I THINK, YOUR RESOLUTION SOMEWHAT,
8:09:01PM ISN'T IT?
8:09:02PM >>JAN McLEAN: YES, BECAUSE IT IS AN EXHIBIT TO THE
8:09:04PM RESOLUTION.
8:09:04PM THAT'S WHY THAT YOU MADE THE MOTION AND ACCEPTED THE
8:09:08PM SUBSTITUTE EXHIBIT C FOR THE WASTEWATER RATES AND D FOR THE
8:09:12PM WATER RATES SO THAT YOU HAVE THE REVISED CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE
8:09:16PM PROGRAM THAT WAS PROPOSED BY --
8:09:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
8:09:19PM WHAT I'M SAYING -- WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, IF WE BY MOTION
8:09:23PM IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES, AGAIN TWEAK IT IN A MANNER
8:09:28PM THAT'S NOT TYPED UP IN FRONT OF US, THAT'S NOT GOING TO --
8:09:33PM AND -- AND YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A CHANGE TO
8:09:36PM RESOLUTION OR MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN CROSS IT OUT HERE.
8:09:38PM I DON'T KNOW.
8:09:38PM BUT IF WE CAME BACK NEXT WEEK, FOR EXAMPLE, JUST TO REFINE
8:09:44PM IT AND DO A FINAL-FINAL VOTE WITH THE SUBSTITUTE EXHIBIT,
8:09:49PM THAT'S NOT GOING TO MESS UP YOUR NOVEMBER 1st SCHEDULE, I
8:09:52PM WOULD THINK.
8:09:54PM YOU JUST PUSHED IT OUT FOR AN ADDITIONAL MONTH.
8:10:02PM >>JAN McLEAN: THE EXHIBITS AS WHAT MR. DINGFELDER IS SAYING,
8:10:05PM YES, THEY DO CHANGE.
8:10:07PM IF YOU CHANGE THE EXHIBIT FOR THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE
8:10:14PM PROGRAM, IF WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY, THEN IF YOU WANT IT
8:10:19PM CHANGED BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK, THEN I WOULD EITHER HAVE
8:10:23PM TO TAKE A RECESS -- YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A VOTE, TAKE A
8:10:26PM RECESS, AND I CAN CHANGE IT TONIGHT.
8:10:29PM OR IF YOU'RE WANTING ADDITIONAL TIME, THEN YOU WOULD BE
8:10:32PM CONTINUING THIS PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT I COULD DO THAT AND
8:10:34PM BE REFLECTED --
8:10:35PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T CARE ABOUT ADDITIONAL TIME.
8:10:37PM I JUST WANT TO -- IF THIS BOARD DECIDED THAT THAT MOTION IS
8:10:42PM IMPORTANT, WHICH I THINK IT MIGHT BE TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE
8:10:45PM THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, FIXED-INCOME PEOPLE, ET CETERA, THAT
8:10:51PM IT COULD BE DONE.
8:10:52PM MAYBE IT COULD BE DONE IN A TEN-MINUTE RECESS, I THINK.
8:10:55PM AND SPECIFICALLY, I DON'T MEAN TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH,
8:10:58PM COUNCIL.
8:10:59PM MY MOTION -- MY MOTION -- SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION
8:11:02PM TO APPROVE THIS 20-YEAR PLAN.
8:11:04PM OKAY.
8:11:05PM IT'S OBVIOUS.
8:11:05PM I HEARD IT.
8:11:06PM MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO AMEND THAT -- THE PROGRAM THAT'S
8:11:11PM OFFERED AND SAY, INSTEAD OF 30% OF THE AMI, TO BE 50% OF THE
8:11:16PM AMI, BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO PUSH ALL THOSE NUMBERS UP A
8:11:19PM LITTLE BIT SO THAT FAMILY OF TWO IS HIGHER.
8:11:23PM SO THAT FAMILY OF FOUR IS HIGHER.
8:11:25PM SO WE'RE REALLY ADDRESSING SOME MORE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE.
8:11:30PM AND THE REASON I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT HARMFUL IS DENNIS WAS
8:11:33PM VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD WHEN HE SAID THAT $1.4 MILLION OUT OF
8:11:38PM THE GENERAL FUND ASSUMES 100% PARTICIPATION.
8:11:45PM SINCE WHEN DOES THAT EVER HAPPEN?
8:11:48PM THAT MEANS EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO'S IMPACTED IS GOING TO
8:11:52PM NOTICE AN EIGHT-DOLLAR INCREASE ON THEIR BILL, AND THEY ARE
8:11:55PM GOING TO COME RUNNING INTO THE CITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
8:11:57PM IT.
8:11:57PM NO, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
8:12:02PM MY POINT IS, WE CAN INCREASE FROM 30% UP TO 50%, AND STILL
8:12:06PM BE WITHIN THAT 1.4 MILLION, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
8:12:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND
8:12:12PM MANISCALCO, MR. ROGERO.
8:12:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: INTERIM CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
8:12:17PM MR. DINGFELDER IS QUITE RIGHT.
8:12:18PM THAT IS POTENTIALLY ALL ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS TAKING ADVANTAGE
8:12:24PM OF THIS PROGRAM.
8:12:24PM THE CAVEAT, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU IS, HOWEVER, AS THE RATES
8:12:29PM GO UP AND THE REVENUE GOES UP, THE COST TO THE GENERAL FUND
8:12:34PM GOES UP.
8:12:35PM AGAIN, IF EVERY SINGLE APPLICANT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THIS
8:12:40PM PROGRAM, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $1.4 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '20.
8:12:46PM 2.2 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '21.
8:12:49PM $3 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '22.
8:12:52PM AND I'LL SKIP TO THE GOOD PART.
8:12:56PM IN 2032, THE MAXIMUM POTENTIAL IMPACT WOULD BE $11.7 MILLION
8:13:02PM TO THE GENERAL FUND.
8:13:04PM SO YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
8:13:05PM WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT,
8:13:08PM BUT THE COST CONTINUES TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY.
8:13:11PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LET ME JUST CLOSE BY ASKING
8:13:14PM MS. McCLEARY, IN HER EXPERIENCE, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE
8:13:19PM EXPERIENCE SPECIFICALLY IN THIS PROGRAM, BUT IN YOUR
8:13:23PM EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO -- WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
8:13:29PM PERCENTAGE OF FOLKS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE TROUBLE OF
8:13:32PM JUMPING THROUGH THESE HOOPS AND FILLING OUT FORMS AND
8:13:34PM AFFIDAVITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE?
8:13:38PM >> I CAN POINT TO THE STORMWATER PROGRAM.
8:13:40PM THE USES HAVE BEEN FAR LESS THAN THE TOTAL POPULATION.
8:13:44PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF ELIGIBLE FOLKS
8:13:48PM WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE STORMWATER --
8:13:51PM >> LESS THAN 10%.
8:13:53PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
8:13:55PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:13:58PM >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE THIS IS BEING FUNDED BY THE GENERAL
8:14:01PM FUND, ISN'T IT A GENERAL FUND ISSUE OR A BUDGET -- IRREGULAR
8:14:04PM BUDGET ISSUE INSTEAD OF A WATER AND WASTEWATER ISSUE?
8:14:08PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS A GENERAL FUND ISSUE.
8:14:10PM THE IMPACT OF THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
8:14:14PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IN A GIVEN YEAR, WE
8:14:17PM COULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE MAYOR INCREASING THE ASSISTANCE FOR
8:14:21PM A SHORT-TERM, LET'S SAY IF WE GO IN A RECESSION OR WHATEVER,
8:14:25PM IS IT POSSIBLE WE CAN DO THAT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND SINCE
8:14:28PM IT'S COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND ANYWAY OR DO WE HAVE TO
8:14:30PM WORK ON THE COVENANTS OF THIS FIRST?
8:14:33PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO WORK ON THE COVENANTS
8:14:35PM OF THIS FIRST.
8:14:37PM JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ARE YOU ASKING, CAN THE CUSTOMER
8:14:39PM ASSISTANCE PROGRAM BE CHANGED?
8:14:41PM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH.
8:14:42PM LET'S SAY WE PUT INTO THESE DOCUMENTS THAT IT WAS 30%, JUST
8:14:46PM AS A PLACE HOLDER.
8:14:47PM BUT THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT WE WANTED TO NEGOTIATE IN NEXT
8:14:50PM YEAR'S BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE UP TO 50%, IS IT
8:14:55PM POSSIBLE THAT COULD BE A GENERAL FUND DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF
8:14:59PM CHANGING THE UNDERLYING DOCUMENTS FOR THIS?
8:15:01PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT COULD.
8:15:02PM IT COULD.
8:15:04PM I WOULD ADD, HOWEVER, AND, OF COURSE, YOU HEARD FROM
8:15:08PM MS. McCLEARY, THE UNDERREPRESENTATION OF THE POTENTIAL
8:15:12PM APPLICANTS THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE STORMWATER
8:15:15PM PROGRAM.
8:15:16PM MY ONLY CAVEAT TO THAT WOULD BE THE STORMWATER PROGRAM IS A
8:15:20PM MUCH SMALLER INCREMENTAL IMPACT TO THE CUSTOMER THAN THIS IS
8:15:25PM ANTICIPATED TO BE.
8:15:26PM SO I WOULD PRESUME THAT THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE
8:15:29PM INCENTIVE FOR THE CUSTOMER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM
8:15:32PM BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A MONETARY IMPACT.
8:15:36PM >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST QUICK THING.
8:15:37PM WE HAVE THE SECOND HIGHEST POVERTY RATE OF ANY MAJOR CITY IN
8:15:42PM FLORIDA.
8:15:42PM AND I HOPE WITH ALL THE NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS
8:15:45PM WE'LL TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT.
8:15:46PM THE RECESSION MAY SLOW US DOWN.
8:15:48PM I THINK WITH ALL THE NEW EFFORTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
8:15:50PM COLLECTIVELY WITH STAFF AND THE MAYOR, HOPEFULLY WE WILL
8:15:52PM ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT SO WE WON'T HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE APPLY
8:15:56PM BECAUSE THEY'LL BE MAKING A DECENT WAGE, TOO.
8:15:58PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
8:15:59PM IT APPEARS THAT OUR DISCUSSION HAS REACHED A LULL.
8:16:05PM TO GIVE MY THOUGHTS, TYPICALLY GO AT THE END, MANY TIMES.
8:16:09PM I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS TALKED ABOUT 40 MINUTES
8:16:12PM AGO WHERE THERE APPEARS TO BE CONSENSUS.
8:16:14PM I WILL SAY I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAM.
8:16:16PM I THINK A LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THIS IS A
8:16:18PM LONG-TERM PROBLEM.
8:16:19PM I THINK REGARDLESS OF THE KIND OF ECONOMY THAT WE'RE GOING
8:16:22PM TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EVEN FIVE YEARS,
8:16:26PM LOOK AT THE WAY THE ECONOMY WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.
8:16:28PM WE'RE IN 2019, 2014 WHAT WAS UNEMPLOYMENT AT?
8:16:32PM 7%.
8:16:33PM 7.5%, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
8:16:35PM IT WAS -- IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN IT IS TODAY.
8:16:37PM WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE ECONOMIES GO UP AND DOWN NO
8:16:41PM MATTER WHAT.
8:16:42PM BUT OUR BASIC CORE LOCAL NEEDS WILL ALWAYS STAY THE SAME.
8:16:47PM IN FACT, WHEN THE ECONOMY GETS WORSE, MANY OF THEM WILL
8:16:50PM ACTUALLY WORSEN IN TERMS OF THEIR NEEDS.
8:16:51PM WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY
8:16:54PM THIS PIPES ISSUE, THIS IS JUST BASIC ABCs, PART AND PARCEL
8:16:59PM OF WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOES.
8:17:01PM TO ME THIS REQUIRES AN APPROACH THAT IS FISCALLY SOUND THAT
8:17:04PM ACTUALLY FUNDS THE PROBLEM, WHICH THIS APPEARS TO DO, AND
8:17:08PM THAT IS A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT.
8:17:09PM I'M GLAD COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO BROUGHT UP THE STORMWATER
8:17:12PM ISSUE.
8:17:12PM I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN 2016, THAT VOTE THAT OCCURRED, I
8:17:16PM THINK IT WAS 4-2, IF I RECALL.
8:17:17PM CERTAINLY, THAT WAS A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT ON ANOTHER CORE
8:17:22PM GOVERNMENT FUNCTION, WHICH IS STORMWATER SIMILAR IN SOME
8:17:25PM WAYS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS A CORE
8:17:27PM GOVERNMENT FUNCTION.
8:17:28PM I CERTAINLY THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD GO
8:17:31PM THROUGH.
8:17:32PM I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO TALKS ON ALLEVIATING THIS TRANSITION
8:17:36PM FOR MANY FAMILIES.
8:17:38PM GO FROM THERE.
8:17:40PM ANYONE INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION?
8:17:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING?
8:17:47PM >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
8:17:49PM >> SECOND.
8:17:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
8:17:53PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:17:54PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:17:54PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:17:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD ASK MS. McLEAN, DO YOU HAVE A
8:17:58PM PREFERENCE AS TO HOW COUNCIL CAN HANDLE THIS, JUST TO MOVE
8:18:02PM BOTH RESOLUTIONS IN ONE MOTION?
8:18:03PM OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE SEPARATE?
8:18:05PM WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNSEL OR A NEED ONE WAY OR THE
8:18:11PM OTHER?
8:18:12PM >>JAN McLEAN: YOU CAN MOVE BOTH RESOLUTIONS.
8:18:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
8:18:16PM >>JAN McLEAN: AS THEY'VE BEEN SUBSTITUTED BOTH LAST NIGHT
8:18:19PM AND THIS EVENING.
8:18:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOVE THE SUBSTITUTES THEN.
8:18:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: INCLUDE EXHIBIT C AND D AND ALL THAT,
8:18:26PM THAT WORDING.
8:18:27PM I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION WITH THE SUBSTITUTIONS
8:18:33PM AND CHANGES FROM TODAY AND YESTERDAY EVENING.
8:18:38PM SUPERSEDING ALL PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS REGARDING THE SCHEDULE
8:18:40PM OF WATER RATES, NOT INCLUDING RECLAIMED WATER RATES, AND
8:18:43PM OTHER FEES OR CHARGES, FOR ALL CITY OF TAMPA WATER CUSTOMERS
8:18:47PM WITHIN THE CITY SERVICE AREA, ESTABLISHING A BASE CHARGE,
8:18:51PM ESTABLISHING A CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, AFFIRMING AND
8:18:54PM REVISING CUSTOMER CLASSIFICATION DEFINITIONS, AFFIRMING AND
8:18:58PM REVISING WATER CONSUMPTION THRESHOLDS, PROVIDING AN
8:19:01PM EFFECTIVE DATE.
8:19:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
8:19:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:19:05PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
8:19:07PM ALL IN FAVOR?
8:19:08PM WAIT, BEFORE WE VOTE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
8:19:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK, WOULD THIS BE THE TIME FOR
8:19:14PM AMENDMENTS, MR. SHELBY?
8:19:16PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON THIS PARTICULAR MOTION?
8:19:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW.
8:19:19PM DO WE HAVE OTHER MOTIONS COMING?
8:19:21PM WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?
8:19:23PM >> YOU'RE READING THE TITLE FOR THE RESOLUTION OF THE WATER
8:19:26PM RATES.
8:19:27PM YOU WOULD HAVE TO ALSO --
8:19:29PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE DOING WATER AND THEN WASTEWATER
8:19:31PM SEPARATELY?
8:19:32PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT MR. MANISCALCO
8:19:35PM INDICATED BY HIS MOTION.
8:19:37PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M FINE.
8:19:37PM I WANT TO KNOW WHEN THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
8:19:40PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU INTEND TO MAKE THIS -- IF YOU INTEND
8:19:42PM TO AMEND THIS RESOLUTION OR SOME PART OF IT, THE TIME TO DO
8:19:46PM THAT IS NOW.
8:19:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S HOLD AND LET MR. DINGFELDER GO.
8:19:50PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS WILL APPLY TO WATER AND WASTEWATER.
8:19:52PM BUT RIGHT NOW, IT WILL JUST APPLY TO WATER BECAUSE THAT'S
8:19:55PM THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
8:19:57PM THE FIRST ONE IS AN EASY ONE.
8:19:59PM PROBABLY CAN DO IT JUST AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT REQUESTING
8:20:03PM THAT STAFF GIVE A SIX-MONTH REPORT FOR AS LONG AS THIS HIKE
8:20:10PM IS IN PLACE EVERY SIX MONTHS ON THE PROGRESS.
8:20:14PM AND NOT ONLY THE PROGRESS OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING
8:20:18PM ELSE, BUT ALSO SIX-MONTH REPORT ON THE WMBE PROGRESS.
8:20:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL ACCEPT THAT.
8:20:25PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL ACCEPT THAT ONE, YES.
8:20:27PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TOLD YOU THAT WAS THE EASY ONE.
8:20:29PM THE NEXT ONE, HOPEFULLY MIGHT BE EASY -- WELL, I DON'T KNOW
8:20:34PM IF IT'S EASY.
8:20:35PM ANYWAY ...
8:20:37PM THAT WE ADJUST -- AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE JAN TO GO BACK FOR
8:20:42PM TEN MINUTES AND REVISE THE RESOLUTION, WHICH I DON'T THINK
8:20:46PM IS A BIG DEAL.
8:20:47PM WE CAN TAKE TEN MINUTES OUT OF OUR EVENING -- THAT WE ADJUST
8:20:50PM THE AMI, THE PERCENTAGE OF AMI FROM 30% UP TO 50% FOR THE
8:20:56PM AVERAGE -- THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
8:21:00PM WE USE THE SAME HUD STANDARD, BUT INSTEAD OF 30%, WE'RE
8:21:04PM ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL FOLKS AND BUMPING IT UP TO 50%.
8:21:08PM I THINK THAT WHAT MS. McCLEARY SAID IS VERY CRITICAL, THAT
8:21:13PM IN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM, AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR
8:21:17PM FRANKNESS AND HONESTY, IN THE STORMWATER PROGRAM, THERE'S
8:21:19PM ONLY 10%.
8:21:20PM SO IN THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO THAT DENNIS SPELLED OUT OF 1.4
8:21:24PM MILLION, IT'S ONLY 140,000 TODAY. SO I THINK IT'S
8:21:31PM REASONABLE.
8:21:32PM I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FOLKS WHO ARE FIXED INCOME,
8:21:38PM SENIORS, REALLY POVERTY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THOSE
8:21:42PM NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME ANYMORE.
8:21:44PM $12,000, $15,000.
8:21:46PM THERE'S A LOT OF POVERTY THAT'S ABOVE THOSE NUMBERS.
8:21:48PM AND I DON'T THINK IT HURTS THE PROGRAM.
8:21:50PM I DON'T THINK IT WILL HURT THE GENERAL FUND.
8:21:53PM AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
8:21:55PM SO I WOULD MOVE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION, WHICH I WOULD THINK
8:22:00PM NEED A SECOND AS WELL AS A SEPARATE VOTE, UNLESS IT'S
8:22:03PM ACCEPTED AS FRIENDLY.
8:22:04PM TO 50% OF THE AMI.
8:22:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED THE QUESTION IF
8:22:10PM WE COULD REVISIT THIS --
8:22:12PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANNUALLY.
8:22:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE SEE ALL THE PEOPLE ARE USING IT,
8:22:15PM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT AND WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE CAN REVISIT
8:22:18PM THIS NEXT YEAR WHILE THE RATES ARE STILL WITHIN REASON AND
8:22:21PM INCREASE.
8:22:22PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?
8:22:23PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW?
8:22:26PM HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUFFERING, BUT
8:22:29PM THEY ARE NOT COMPLAINING.
8:22:31PM THEY ARE JUST PAYING MORE.
8:22:34PM THEY ARE PAYING THOSE BILLS.
8:22:35PM THEY'RE PAYING MORE, INSTEAD OF BUMPING IT UP AND CREATING
8:22:38PM MORE ELIGIBILITY?
8:22:42PM I NEVER SEE US AS BEING THAT PROACTIVE TO DO THAT.
8:22:49PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WAS GOING TO SAY I DO ENVISION THAT AS
8:22:51PM PART OF OUR REPORTING STRUCTURE.
8:22:53PM WE WOULD INCLUDE THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION AND, OF COURSE,
8:22:55PM OVER TIME, YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY SEE WHERE IT STARTED, HOW
8:22:59PM IT'S INCREASED OR DECREASED.
8:23:01PM WE COULD PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION.
8:23:03PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND QUALITATIVELY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
8:23:06PM KNOW WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE ON THOSE FAMILIES THAT WE NEVER
8:23:09PM HEAR FROM?
8:23:09PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD NOT KNOW THAT.
8:23:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT.
8:23:15PM >> ONE THING WE COULD INCLUDE IN THE REPORTS WHICH WOULD
8:23:17PM HELP YOU --
8:23:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN'T HEAR YOU.
8:23:19PM >> ONE THING THAT WE COULD INCLUDE IN THOSE REPORTS WOULD BE
8:23:21PM THE NUMBER OF DENIALS FOR OVER INCOME ALONG WITH HOW MANY
8:23:26PM INQUIRIES WE GOT SO THAT YOU'D HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
8:23:30PM SO YOU WOULDN'T GET ALL OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUT YOU
8:23:33PM WOULD KNOW.
8:23:33PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
8:23:34PM BUT IF -- THEY ARE NOT EVEN GOING TO APPLY, YOU WON'T KNOW
8:23:37PM IF THEY EXIST IF GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SEE YOU'RE CUT OFF AT
8:23:40PM 16,000 AND THEY ARE ABOVE THE CUTOFF AT 17 OR 18 THOUSAND,
8:23:43PM YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO KNOW THEY EXIST.
8:23:46PM CORRECT?
8:23:47PM >> CORRECT.
8:23:48PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
8:23:50PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
8:23:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH YOU.
8:23:56PM I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS ARE LOW.
8:23:59PM 30% -- WHAT IS IT, 14,000?
8:24:02PM 14,050.
8:24:04PM IT'S A REALLY LOW NUMBER.
8:24:07PM IT'S HARD TO SURVIVE AT ALL AT THAT LEVEL.
8:24:09PM MY QUESTION IS, I HAVE TO ASKS THE -- ASK THIS, DO YOU KNOW
8:24:14PM OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACT WOULD BE IF
8:24:18PM WE WENT TO 50%?
8:24:19PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD INCLUDE?
8:24:22PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: PRESUMING THAT ALL ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS TAKE
8:24:25PM ADVANTAGE OF THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, GIVEN THESE
8:24:29PM NEW CRITERIA, THE INITIAL IMPACT IN FISCAL YEAR '20 WOULD BE
8:24:34PM $1.8 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND, ESCALATING TO OVER
8:24:38PM $14 MILLION --
8:24:40PM >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS IT BEFORE.
8:24:43PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: ABOUT $400,000 IN THE INITIAL YEAR.
8:24:49PM >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT SOMETHING -- WHAT DID YOU SAY WOULD
8:24:51PM BE THE DIFFERENCE BY THE END OF 20 YEARS?
8:24:53PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: BY THE END OF 20 YEARS, IN 2032, THE IMPACT
8:24:57PM WOULD BE $14.3 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND.
8:25:01PM AGAIN, PRESUMING EVERYBODY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT, COMPARED
8:25:04PM TO WHAT WE'VE INITIALLY SURFACED FOR YOU TONIGHT,
8:25:07PM $11.7 MILLION.
8:25:11PM >>BILL CARLSON: BASED ON THAT I WOULD SECOND THAT.
8:25:14PM >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I MAY, I WOULD JUST AGAIN, REMIND
8:25:18PM COUNCIL THAT OUR RATE RIGHT NOW IS HALF OF WHAT OUR PEER
8:25:21PM GROUP IS.
8:25:22PM AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, WON'T GET UP TO THAT LEVEL FOR
8:25:25PM ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS.
8:25:26PM I DO WANT TO REITERATE, WE ARE ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO OUR
8:25:30PM CUSTOMERS.
8:25:30PM THAT'S WHY WE'VE INCREASED THE PARTICIPATION FROM OUR
8:25:33PM INITIAL PLAN OVER 300% TO WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT.
8:25:37PM AGAIN, JUST REITERATE THAT AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID, OR
8:25:42PM REITERATED, THIS IS A FLEXIBLE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PLAN.
8:25:47PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ONE FINAL THING, SO IN THE BEGINNING
8:25:49PM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 400,000 OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS THAT
8:25:53PM WILL GO UP.
8:25:54PM JUST IF WE END UP ADDING THIS, I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO
8:25:57PM UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN APRIL COMES AROUND AND THE STAFF STANDS
8:26:02PM UP AND THE MAYOR STANDS UP, THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
8:26:04PM WE'RE GOING TO GIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO
8:26:06PM THIS.
8:26:07PM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE IMPACT ON
8:26:10PM PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD THIS.
8:26:13PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION IS, BUT THIS IS MAYBE
8:26:18PM ONE.
8:26:19PM >>LUIS VIERA: AND MR. SHELBY.
8:26:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARITY OF THE RECORD,
8:26:22PM THERE WAS AN INITIAL SUGGESTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TO
8:26:27PM THE MAKER OF THE MOTION THERE WAS NO OBJECTION ON A FRIENDLY
8:26:32PM AMENDMENT, THE FIRST ONE.
8:26:35PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE'RE DISCUSSING THE SECOND.
8:26:36PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S TRUE.
8:26:37PM I WANT TO GET TO THAT.
8:26:38PM BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
8:26:39PM THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION ACCEPTED THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
8:26:43PM SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, I WOULD LIKE THE
8:26:48PM CHAIR TO ACKNOWLEDGE BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE MOTION IS
8:26:51PM AMENDED BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO --
8:26:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: THE MOTION IS AMENDED AS TO ISSUE A.
8:26:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE, IF THERE IS A
8:26:59PM MOTION THAT'S CLEAR TO THE CLERK AND A SECOND, THERE WOULD
8:27:02PM BE A SECOND MOTION TO AMEND THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
8:27:04PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
8:27:05PM AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT RIGHT NOW.
8:27:06PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS I THINK ARE
8:27:12PM CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT MERIT, AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH THEM A
8:27:18PM GREAT DEAL.
8:27:19PM ESPECIALLY THE IDEA WHEN I HEAR THAT 10% OF FOLKS WHO CAN
8:27:22PM TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROGRAM WITH STORMWATER, THOSE ARE
8:27:25PM PROBABLY SOME OF THE MOST CHRONIC ACUTE CASES THAT WE HAVE
8:27:29PM IN OUR CITY OF POVERTY, NOT JUST POVERTY IN TERMS OF AS
8:27:37PM CONSISTENT BUT POTENTIALLY ACUTE POVERTY.
8:27:40PM OR SOMEBODY NEW.
8:27:42PM LOST THEIR JOB.
8:27:43PM WHEN FOLKS GO AFTER THIS IT'S BECAUSE THERE IS A REAL NEED.
8:27:45PM I THINK SOME SORT OF MODIFICATION IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING
8:27:48PM THAT COULD BE WARRANTED.
8:27:49PM JUST AS A SUGGESTION.
8:27:50PM I HATE TO SPLIT THE BABY 40%.
8:27:53PM JUST AS A THOUGHT.
8:27:54PM BUT JUST TO.
8:27:56PM ALSO, I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL COME BACK IN
8:28:00PM A YEAR, AND A YEAR AFTER THAT AND ADJUST IT.
8:28:04PM BECAUSE THEN WE'LL BE ACUTELY AWARE ON AN ONGOING BASIS OF
8:28:07PM WHAT THE REVENUE LOSS WILL BE.
8:28:08PM I JUST -- I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT AFTER A
8:28:13PM YEAR.
8:28:13PM I'LL BE HONEST, ONCE WE GOT THAT MONEY IN THE CITY COFFERS,
8:28:16PM WE'RE GOING TO BE MARRIED TO IT AND WE'LL HAVE A HARD TIME
8:28:19PM GETTING A DIVORCE.
8:28:20PM I'M JUST BEING HONEST.
8:28:21PM JUST MY THOUGHTS.
8:28:26PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MADE A GOOD POINT, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I
8:28:29PM HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL PERSPECTIVE OF IT.
8:28:31PM WHEN PEOPLE GET A WATER BILL, THEY DON'T LOOK AT STORMWATER.
8:28:37PM BE REAL.
8:28:38PM THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS HALF THE TIME.
8:28:41PM THEY KNOW WHEN THAT BLUE WATER BILL COME.
8:28:45PM THEY LOOK AT NOTHING ELSE.
8:28:47PM THE NOTICE WE PUT IN THE WATER BILL, EVEN MYSELF, I GET MY
8:28:50PM WATER BILL, OPEN IT UP, SEE WHAT THE BILL IS, I PAY IT.
8:28:55PM ALL THE OTHER GARBAGE BEHIND IT, PEOPLE NEVER EVEN LOOK AT
8:28:59PM IT.
8:28:59PM THAT'S WHY I SAY WE DON'T MARKET WELL.
8:29:02PM IF THERE IS A CRISIS, SOMETHING SERIOUS -- I TURN MY WATER
8:29:06PM ON JUST THE OTHER DAY AT ONE OF MY RENTAL PROPERTIES.
8:29:09PM MY DAUGHTER IS MOVING IN.
8:29:10PM I WAS GOING TO GET A DRINK OF WATER OUT OF THE FAUCET.
8:29:13PM AS I WENT TO GO TURN THE TAP ON, THE WATER COMES, I SEE THIS
8:29:18PM ODOR OF CHLORINE.
8:29:20PM HOLY SCHMOKE.
8:29:26PM BEEN THERE A WHILE.
8:29:27PM I KNOW THERE IS A WATER ISSUE.
8:29:29PM THIS COUNCIL HAS TO UNDERSTAND AND OUR DIRECTORS,
8:29:33PM ADMINISTRATION HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW EVERYDAY COMMON PEOPLE
8:29:39PM LIVE AND THINK.
8:29:40PM I HAVE TO SAY I'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I WAS A
8:29:43PM POLICE OFFICER FOR A LONG TIME AND I DEALT WITH EVERYDAY
8:29:46PM COMMON PEOPLE WITH EVERYDAY ISSUES.
8:29:49PM SOMETIMES WE'RE IN CERTAIN POSITIONS OR WE'VE LIVED A
8:29:53PM CERTAIN LIFESTYLE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW OTHER PEOPLE LIVE.
8:29:57PM FORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T GROW UP POOR.
8:30:02PM WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING.
8:30:03PM I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO STRUGGLE.
8:30:04PM I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
8:30:07PM I KNOW WHAT IT IS TO HAVE A LIGHT TURNED OFF OR HAVE NO
8:30:10PM WATER.
8:30:11PM SOME OF YOU HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED THAT.
8:30:15PM I LIVE BY EXPERIENCE, AND WHEN I MAKE MY DECISIONS BECAUSE I
8:30:21PM KNOW HOW PEOPLE LIVE AND THINK.
8:30:23PM AND THAT'S WHY I TALKED ABOUT THE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
8:30:26PM I'M GLAD THAT MY COLLEAGUE HERE UNDERSTANDS THAT.
8:30:30PM YES, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A BUNCH OF MONEY.
8:30:33PM WE TALK ABOUT THE RATINGS AND ALL THIS.
8:30:35PM BUT THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE, THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THAT.
8:30:38PM ALL THEY CARE IS HOW I'M GOING TO LIVE.
8:30:40PM HOW I'M GOING TO PAY MY BILLS.
8:30:42PM AND WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND WE HAVE TO
8:30:45PM UNDERSTAND THAT.
8:30:46PM WE REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
8:30:51PM PEOPLE HAVE NEEDS, AND I'M HOPING TO GOD THAT WHEN WE GET A
8:30:55PM NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHOEVER THE MAYOR GETS, I HOPE
8:30:59PM SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS ABOUT DIVERSITY, UNDERSTANDS POOR
8:31:02PM PEOPLE, UNDERSTANDS HOW TO COME IN AND BUILD COMMUNITIES.
8:31:04PM BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
8:31:08PM POVERTY AS MUCH.
8:31:09PM WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE LIVING,
8:31:12PM HOMELESSNESS.
8:31:12PM SO WE HAVE TO START THINKING HOW EVERY DAY PEOPLE.
8:31:17PM WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE OFFICES AND GO WHERE THE PEOPLE
8:31:19PM ARE TO SEE HOW THEY ARE LIVING AND THINKING AND THAT WAY WE
8:31:22PM MAKE BETTER DECISIONS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
8:31:24PM SUPPORT IT AT 50%.
8:31:26PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
8:31:27PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THE SAME LINES OF MY COLLEAGUE,
8:31:30PM MR. GUDES, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT 50, 70, 80 PERCENT OF THE
8:31:36PM POPULATION DON'T KNOW YOU CAN GET FIVE DOLLARS OFF YOUR
8:31:40PM SOLID WASTE BILL IF YOU'RE OVER 65.
8:31:42PM I'M SO OLD, I GOT IT TWICE.
8:31:48PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:31:49PM BUT I DON'T MEAN IT AS A JOKE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
8:31:52PM THEY DON'T LOOK AT THAT, EVEN IF YOU SELL IT TO THEM IN RED
8:31:56PM LETTERS.
8:31:57PM THEY LOOK AT MY WATER BILL AT THE TOP.
8:31:59PM BECAUSE USED TO PAYING THE WATER BILL.
8:32:07PM THE ONLY PART OF THE WATER BILL I LOOK IS HOW MANY UNITS I
8:32:10PM USED BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $40 TOTAL.
8:32:14PM IF IT'S 45, I KNOW I GOT TO STRAIGHTEN UP.
8:32:18PM BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
8:32:21PM IF THIS IS PREDICATED FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD ON ALL SIDES OF
8:32:25PM 100% OF THE POPULATION USING THE FORM OF 30%, I DON'T
8:32:33PM BELIEVE ANYBODY, INCLUDING SOLID WASTE, THE POPULATION
8:32:39PM THAT'S OVER 65 APPLY, I DON'T THINK 20% APPLY.
8:32:43PM MAYBE I'M WRONG.
8:32:47PM BUT EVEN IF YOU TELL THEM, THEY GOT SO MANY THINGS IN THEIR
8:32:52PM MIND, TODAY'S SOCIETY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE GREW UP.
8:32:54PM YOU'VE GOT THE INTERNET.
8:32:56PM YOU'VE GOT THE PHONE.
8:32:57PM YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY AT THE DINNER TABLE NOT EVEN TALKING TO
8:33:01PM EACH OTHER.
8:33:02PM THEY ARE TEXTING.
8:33:03PM IT'S DIFFERENT.
8:33:06PM JUST IN THE MORNING WHEN YOU COME TO WORK OR GOING ANYWHERE,
8:33:11PM LOOK HOW MANY KIDS ARE WAITING FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TO PICK
8:33:14PM THEM UP.
8:33:15PM I'LL GIVE YOU A DOLLAR FOR EVERY TIME YOU SEE A KID TALK TO
8:33:18PM SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND
8:33:20PM EVERYBODY HAS THE PHONE TEXTING SOMEBODY.
8:33:22PM I DON'T KNOW WHO.
8:33:23PM BUT THAT'S THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN.
8:33:27PM THE PART OF THE NEWSPAPER I READ THE MOST IS THE WANT ADS
8:33:35PM BECAUSE IT TELLS YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.
8:33:37PM WHO WANTS TO BUY AND WHO WANTS TO SELL AT WHAT PRICE.
8:33:42PM IT'S JUST THE WAY LIFE IS.
8:33:47PM I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE 50%.
8:33:48PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT RUN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, SEE IF
8:33:53PM WE GAUGED IT RIGHT OR GAUGED IT INCORRECTLY.
8:33:57PM IF YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT AT 30% IT'S NOT VIABLE,
8:34:01PM WELL, LET'S FIND OUT WHAT 50% DOES.
8:34:04PM MAYBE IT IS.
8:34:04PM MAYBE IT'S NOT.
8:34:05PM THAT'S IT.
8:34:07PM THANK YOU.
8:34:08PM >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DID YOU HAVE --
8:34:12PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY -- YOU KNOW
8:34:16PM WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT BEING AN ATTORNEY IN COURT, SHOULD KNOW
8:34:19PM WHEN TO JUST SHUT UP AND LET THE JURY MAKE A DECISION.
8:34:24PM THE ONLY THING I'D POINT OUT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO
8:34:29PM DENNIS, WHO DOES A GREAT JOB, WHO HAS DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB
8:34:31PM THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY ACTUALLY LOOKED AT 50%.
8:34:33PM BECAUSE WHEN WE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION, HE HAPPENED TO HAVE
8:34:37PM IT RIGHT THERE ON HIS SHEET.
8:34:39PM THIS ISN'T AN OUTRAGEOUS THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
8:34:43PM IT'S SOMETHING THEY OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT.
8:34:45PM THEY MADE THEIR OWN DECISION BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO
8:34:47PM BE OUR DECISION.
8:34:48PM AS A GREAT ATTORNEY TOLD ME AT LUNCH TODAY, WE'RE THE
8:34:52PM LEGISLATIVE BODY OF THIS GOVERNMENT, AND IT'S OUR JOB TO SET
8:34:55PM POLICY.
8:34:55PM THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY STRONG POLICY STATEMENT.
8:34:59PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHO WAS THAT SO I CAN GO TO LUNCH WITH
8:35:01PM THEM?
8:35:02PM [ LAUGHTER ]
8:35:02PM GENTLEMAN I CAN'T TELL YOU.
8:35:04PM IT'S ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.
8:35:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD VERDICT ON
8:35:08PM YOUR MOTION -- OR A VERY GOOD JURY ON YOUR MOTION, JUST FOR
8:35:10PM THE RECORD.
8:35:11PM DO YOU WISH -- I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, FOR PART TWO, I KNOW WE
8:35:14PM HAVE PART ONE WITH REGARDS TO THE QUARTERLY UPDATES.
8:35:17PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, YOU'VE HAD SOME TIME TO CONSIDER IT
8:35:20PM AND PONDER IT, AND THEN COUNCILMAN CITRO, WHAT IS YOUR
8:35:23PM POSITION?
8:35:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL ACCEPT THE 50%.
8:35:26PM I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
8:35:28PM GOING BACK TO THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND ONLY 10% OF THE
8:35:32PM PEOPLE HAVING UTILIZED IT AND CONSIDERING WHAT A BIG IMPACT
8:35:36PM THAT IS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TAX BILLS.
8:35:41PM I GOT A LOT OF CRAP FOR VOTING FOR IT FROM SEVERAL PROPERTY
8:35:44PM OWNERS, UNDERSTANDABLY.
8:35:46PM IT'S A BIG EXPENSE TO THEM.
8:35:47PM BUT I DIDN'T GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT, YOU
8:35:55PM KNOW, SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO SEVERELY IMPACT US, LOW
8:35:58PM INCOME AND WHATNOT.
8:35:59PM NOW THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT ONLY 10% OF THE PEOPLE HAVE
8:36:02PM UTILIZED THAT, I DON'T THINK 100% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
8:36:05PM UTILIZE THIS 50%.
8:36:06PM IT JUST GIVES -- AND I UNDERSTAND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S
8:36:10PM POSITION.
8:36:10PM IT GIVES PEOPLE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE FOLKS COULD
8:36:13PM LOOK AT THE 30% NOW ON THE WEBSITE OR WHATEVER AND SAY,
8:36:17PM WELL, I DON'T QUALIFY FOR IT.
8:36:19PM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO THINK, WELL, MAYBE CITY COUNCIL NEXT
8:36:21PM YEAR WILL CHANGE IT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK LIKE THAT.
8:36:24PM IT'S TRUE.
8:36:24PM IT'S TRUE WHEN PEOPLE OPEN THEIR BILL, THEY DON'T READ THE
8:36:28PM WATER USAGE.
8:36:28PM THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT MY ELECTRIC BILL, I'VE GOT TO TURN THE
8:36:32PM AIR UP WHEN I'M GONE DURING THE DAY AND TURN THE LIGHTS OFF
8:36:35PM WHEN I'M AT HOME.
8:36:36PM AND I DO THAT, WHATEVER.
8:36:37PM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
8:36:39PM I'LL ACCEPT IT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF --
8:36:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
8:36:42PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL ACCEPT THAT MOTION.
8:36:44PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
8:36:45PM AND I --
8:36:46PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: AMENDMENT, EXCUSE ME.
8:36:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: I AGAIN STATE WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
8:36:50PM I'M SUPPORTING IT PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE
8:36:55PM CONCERN ON FOLKS HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING ENDS MEET.
8:36:58PM I PROMISE YOU, WE LOOK AT THIS AGAIN A YEAR FROM NOW, TWO
8:37:01PM YEARS FROM NOW, WE VERY LIKELY WILL NOT LOWER THAT OR
8:37:06PM INCREASE THE THRESHOLD.
8:37:08PM I JUST DON'T THINK WE'LL DO IT.
8:37:09PM THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT LEGISLATIVE BODIES TYPICALLY DO.
8:37:12PM THE MOMENTUM WON'T BE THERE.
8:37:13PM THE PRESSURE WON'T BE THERE, TO QUOTE THAT SONG FROM ASIA,
8:37:16PM IT WON'T BE THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT.
8:37:19PM AND RIGHT NOW IT IS THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT.
8:37:20PM SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
8:37:22PM WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:37:24PM A SECOND --
8:37:25PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAIT.
8:37:25PM >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY, SIR.
8:37:26PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SAID THERE WERE THREE.
8:37:27PM >>LUIS VIERA: OH, I'M SORRY.
8:37:30PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE DISAPPOINTED.
8:37:34PM MY THIRD MOTION IS TO, AS I STATED VERY EARLY IN THIS
8:37:38PM CONVERSATION, I AGREE WITH THE NEED.
8:37:42PM I WANT TO BE CONSERVATIVE.
8:37:43PM I WANT TO BE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE ON THIS AND TRUNCATE,
8:37:49PM GRANT EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IN THE FIRST -- I'LL
8:37:53PM EVEN GO, LET'S SAY THE FIRST EIGHT YEARS, BECAUSE WHEN I
8:37:58PM LOOKED AT THAT CHART, THAT WAS A HUGE BIG HUMP IN THE FIRST
8:38:02PM EIGHT YEARS.
8:38:03PM AND AFTER THAT, IT KIND OF FLATTENS OUT AT A HUNDRED MILLION
8:38:06PM A YEAR.
8:38:07PM SO THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT, EIGHT YEARS IS ABOUT 2 BILLION
8:38:12PM AND THEN THE NEXT 12 YEARS APPEARS TO BE ABOUT A BILLION OR
8:38:15PM SO.
8:38:16PM SO I'D LIKE TO -- MY THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE MAKER OF THE
8:38:25PM MOTION OR TO THE BODY WOULD BE TO TAKE THE ENTIRE PROGRAM
8:38:29PM THAT THEY'VE OFFERED IN TERMS OF THE RATE HIKE AND THE TOTAL
8:38:34PM EXPENDITURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT TRUNCATE IT AT EIGHT
8:38:37PM YEARS INSTEAD OF THE 20.
8:38:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT SAY YOU, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
8:38:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DISCUSSED THIS REGARDING, WENT ON AND
8:38:47PM ON -- I UNDERSTAND, BUT BONDING A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE AND
8:38:54PM THEN HAVING THE USER FEE AT THE OTHER PERCENTAGE.
8:38:57PM I KNOW IT SAVES YOU MONEY, AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA EXPLAINED
8:39:00PM EVERYTHING, BUT WOULDN'T YOU GET A BETTER RATE AT 20 YEARS
8:39:04PM THAN YOU WOULD AT SOMETHING LOWER, ESPECIALLY WHEN FINANCIAL
8:39:06PM INSTITUTIONS ARE LOOKING AT THIS.
8:39:08PM THEY WANT THAT LONG-TERM DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE.
8:39:11PM I WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT.
8:39:13PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
8:39:15PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT EITHER.
8:39:17PM I WOULD NOT ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT AT ALL.
8:39:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I PUT THAT, SOMEBODY BUYING A HOUSE.
8:39:24PM THE BANK OFFERS YOU A 20-YEAR LOAN AND YOU SAY, NO, I WANT A
8:39:29PM 8 AND THEN NEGOTIATE.
8:39:30PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THAT.
8:39:31PM I LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT IN MY PART.
8:39:36PM I AM CONSERVATIVE.
8:39:37PM I JUST GOT A LIBERAL HEART.
8:39:40PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHAT HAPPENED TO MR. SHELBY?
8:39:42PM THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THE SECONDER DID NOT ACCEPT IT
8:39:46PM AS A FRIENDLY MOTION.
8:39:48PM I GUESS I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT AS A SEPARATE AMENDMENT SEEKING
8:39:51PM A SECOND AND IT CAN DIE FROM THERE.
8:39:57PM WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE?
8:40:00PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DID FOR THE SECOND FRIENDLY AMENDMENT,
8:40:03PM THE SAME THING TO ADOPT IT BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
8:40:06PM YOU DID NOT GET THAT FOR THIS THIRD MOTION, SO WHAT YOU SET
8:40:10PM FORTH IS EXACTLY TRUE.
8:40:12PM IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A FORMAL
8:40:15PM MOTION TO AMEND, YOU'D HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR AND GET
8:40:19PM THE SECOND AND THEN TAKE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION TO AMEND, UP
8:40:22PM OR DOWN.
8:40:22PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.
8:40:27PM MOVE TO -- EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, WHICH I KNOW WE'RE ALL
8:40:30PM GETTING TIRED.
8:40:31PM TO TRUNCATE THE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN OFFERED AT 8 YEARS
8:40:36PM INSTEAD OF 20 AND THEN THE PAPERWORK WOULD HAVE TO BE
8:40:38PM MODIFIED ACCORDINGLY.
8:40:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A PROPOSED MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
8:40:42PM DINGFELDER.
8:40:44PM DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
8:40:45PM SORRY, SIR.
8:40:46PM YOU HAD US AT HELLO ON THE FIRST TWO BUT NOT THE THIRD ONE.
8:40:49PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHY I PUT THEM IN THAT ORDER.
8:40:51PM >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
8:40:52PM THANK YOU, SIR.
8:40:55PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN OTHER WORDS, IT DIED FOR LACK OF A
8:40:57PM SECOND.
8:40:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
8:40:59PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEARD CRICKETS.
8:41:02PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH THE TWO
8:41:05PM FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:41:07PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION WOULD BE, THEN, WITH REGARD TO
8:41:11PM THOSE AMENDMENTS, DOES THE EXHIBIT THEN HAVE TO BE ALTERED
8:41:22PM AND TO THE RESOLUTION?
8:41:26PM >>JAN McLEAN: YES.
8:41:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT IT FROM WHAT I
8:41:28PM UNDERSTAND FROM THE DEPUTY CLERK, IT WOULD BE A SUBSTITUTE
8:41:31PM TO THE PRESENT EXHIBIT, IS THAT CORRECT.
8:41:32PM >>JAN McLEAN: YES.
8:41:33PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU THEN REQUIRE TIME FOR THAT
8:41:35PM EXHIBIT TO BE ALTERED AND THEN THEY COME BACK BEFORE THEY
8:41:38PM MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION AS SUBSTITUTED WITH THE NEW
8:41:41PM EXHIBIT?
8:41:42PM >>JAN McLEAN: YES.
8:41:42PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
8:41:44PM >>JAN McLEAN: WE NEED TO DO THAT FOR BOTH.
8:41:46PM WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT FOR BOTH, SO I COULD DO BOTH
8:41:49PM EXHIBITS AT ONCE.
8:41:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD NEED
8:41:52PM FOR THAT.
8:41:53PM >>JAN McLEAN: TEN MINUTES.
8:41:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE NEED TO RECESS BEFORE TAKING THE VOTE?
8:41:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
8:41:57PM >>LUIS VIERA: THEN WE GO INTO RECESS FOR TEN MINUTES.
8:41:59PM >>JAN McLEAN: WAIT.
8:42:00PM WE NEED TO DO THE MOTION ON THE WASTEWATER AS WELL.
8:42:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL MOVE THE RESOLUTION SUPERSEDING ANY
8:42:11PM PREVIOUS --
8:42:12PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
8:42:13PM IT MIGHT BE QUICKER JUST TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE
8:42:16PM EXHIBIT FOR THE SECOND RESOLUTION CONSISTENT WITH THE
8:42:19PM DIRECTION OF THE PREVIOUS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH BASICALLY
8:42:22PM THE SAME.
8:42:23PM >>JAN McLEAN: THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
8:42:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM ANYTHING.
8:42:26PM GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION NOW AND COME BACK AND MAKE THE
8:42:28PM MOTION ON THAT WHEN YOU SUBSTITUTE THE EXHIBIT.
8:42:31PM JUST ASK THEM TO AMEND BOTH EXHIBITS AND BOTH RESOLUTIONS
8:42:36PM CONSISTENT WITH COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
8:42:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND BOTH EXHIBITS
8:42:40PM CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU'VE HEARD UP HERE SO WHEN WE COME
8:42:44PM BACK, EVERYTHING IS ALL DONE.
8:42:45PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID WE VOTE ON THE MAJOR MOTION?
8:42:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: NO, WE DO THAT AFTERWARDS.
8:42:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CANNOT DO THAT UNTIL THE EXHIBIT IS
8:42:52PM SUBSTITUTED.
8:42:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
8:42:54PM DID I HEAR A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
8:42:58PM ALL IN FAVOR.
8:42:58PM ANY OPPOSED?
8:43:00PM RECESS.
8:43:00PM BACK IN TEN.
8:43:02PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
8:43:04PM [RECESS]
9:01:05PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
9:01:06PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:01:07PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
9:01:08PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:01:09PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:01:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
9:01:12PM OKAY.
9:01:13PM WE BEGIN AND WE CONTINUE -- YES, SIR.
9:01:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT BUT I DO HAVE
9:01:21PM THE MATERIAL TO DISTRIBUTE FROM MS. McLEAN, IF YOU CAN.
9:01:25PM I'M GOING TO FIRST DISTRIBUTE EXHIBIT C.
9:01:31PM >>JAN McLEAN: EXHIBIT C GOES TO THE WASTEWATER RESOLUTION.
9:01:39PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE A MOTION WHEN CITY COUNCIL IS
9:01:41PM PREPARED TO SUBSTITUTE EXHIBIT C FOR THE --
9:01:44PM >>JAN McLEAN: SUBSTITUTE FOR THE SUBSTITUTE.
9:01:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL --
9:01:47PM >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I HAVE THAT MOTION, PLEASE.
9:01:49PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: SPECIFICALLY TO WHICH DOCUMENT?
9:01:50PM >>JAN McLEAN: TO THE WASTEWATER RESOLUTION.
9:01:52PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:01:54PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:01:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:01:56PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:01:57PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW SETTING FORTH EXHIBIT D.
9:02:01PM >>JAN McLEAN: EXHIBIT D WILL BE APPENDED TO YOUR WATER
9:02:05PM RESOLUTION.
9:02:05PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT, PLEASE WHEN
9:02:08PM COUNCIL IS READY.
9:02:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:02:11PM I BELIEVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:02:14PM ANY IN FAVOR?
9:02:15PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:02:19PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION.
9:02:21PM I GUESS I'M SPLITTING HAIRS, JAN.
9:02:23PM WHEN I LOOK AT EXHIBIT C AND EXHIBIT D.
9:02:26PM THEY ARE BOTH TITLED WATER WASTEWATER CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE
9:02:30PM PROGRAM.
9:02:30PM >>JAN McLEAN: THAT'S CORRECT.
9:02:31PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THOUGHT YOU SAID ONE WAS FOR WATER AND
9:02:33PM ONE WAS FOR WASTEWATER.
9:02:34PM >>JAN McLEAN: ONE IS APPENDED BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A, B AND
9:02:38PM C EXHIBITS TO WASTEWATER RESOLUTION AND A, B AND C AND D TO
9:02:43PM THE WATER RESOLUTION, BUT IT IS THE EXACT SAME ASSISTANCE
9:02:46PM PROGRAM.
9:02:46PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
9:02:48PM >>LUIS VIERA: SHALL WE THEN PROCEED WITH THE MOTION?
9:02:53PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:02:54PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MADE THE MOTION.
9:02:58PM IT WAS SECONDED.
9:02:59PM THEN WE HAD THE AMENDMENTS, THEN WE HAD THE SUBSTITUTIONS,
9:03:02PM AND NOW WE JUST HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
9:03:05PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION.
9:03:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS THE FIRST ONE.
9:03:10PM RESOLUTION --
9:03:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR THE FIRST
9:03:14PM RESOLUTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:03:15PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:03:17PM ANY IN FAVOR?
9:03:18PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:03:19PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NAY.
9:03:21PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
9:03:25PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WAIT A MINUTE, I VOTED FOR 50 AND YOU'RE
9:03:27PM STILL VOTING NO.
9:03:29PM WAS THAT THE SAME RESOLUTION FOR 50?
9:03:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, THAT INCLUDED YOUR AMENDMENT.
9:03:36PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T WANT TO DO A 20-YEAR PLAN.
9:03:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:03:40PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A RESOLUTION ON THE FLOOR BY
9:03:43PM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:03:44PM A SECOND RESOLUTION?
9:03:46PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A RESOLUTION SUPERSEDING ANY
9:03:47PM PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT REGARDING THE SCHEDULE OF
9:03:50PM WASTEWATER DISPOSAL CHARGES FOR ALL CITY OF TAMPA WASTEWATER
9:03:54PM CUSTOMERS WITH THE CITY'S SERVICE AREA, ESTABLISHING A BASE
9:03:57PM CHARGE, ESTABLISHING A CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM,
9:04:00PM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
9:04:02PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
9:04:03PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:04:04PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:04:06PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:04:07PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:04:08PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NAY.
9:04:08PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
9:04:12PM >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
9:04:13PM VERY GOOD.
9:04:13PM WE MOVE ONWARD TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS BY
9:04:16PM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
9:04:17PM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
9:04:18PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
9:04:19PM I APOLOGIZE GETTING HERE A LITTLE LATE.
9:04:23PM WE HAD LITTLE MEDICAL STUFF GOING ON IN THE FAMILY BUT
9:04:26PM EVERYTHING IS FINE.
9:04:28PM I WAS LISTENING TO DENNIS FERNANDEZ'S REPORT ON THE CIGAR
9:04:31PM FACTORY.
9:04:31PM I APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS.
9:04:34PM IN THE INTEREST IN THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE, ESPECIALLY AS
9:04:38PM RELATED TO WEST TAMPA AND OUR CIGAR FACTORIES ELSEWHERE, IN
9:04:44PM PALMETTO BEACH AS WELL AS ANOTHER ONE, I HAVE THE MEMO DATED
9:04:51PM SEPTEMBER 4th FROM, LET'S SEE, THROUGH JOHN BENNETT,
9:04:56PM THROUGH THOM SNELLING FROM DENNIS FERNANDEZ TO COUNCIL.
9:04:59PM I THINK YOU-ALL HAVE IT OR HAVE HAD IT.
9:05:03PM EARLIER AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO US THAT
9:05:08PM IF WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE AND THE PROTECTION OF
9:05:11PM THESE CIGAR FACTORIES, THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT PROTECTED, AND
9:05:17PM THERE'S 12 OF THEM LISTED ON DENNIS' MEMO THAT WE SHOULD
9:05:22PM REFER THOSE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THE
9:05:27PM HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL THEN DO AN ANALYSIS.
9:05:31PM I THINK, MR. CITRO, YOU ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE
9:05:33PM ANALYSIS WAS IN THE CRITERIA.
9:05:35PM THE HPC WILL DO WHATEVER THEY DO IN TERMS OF EVALUATING
9:05:42PM THOSE 12 PROPERTIES FOR SOME TYPE OF PROTECTION, AND THEN
9:05:48PM HPC WOULD THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO US.
9:05:52PM WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURE THAT'S
9:05:55PM BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, A COUPLE OF DECADES, I
9:05:58PM THINK.
9:05:58PM SO WITH THAT, AND IN LIGHT OF THE RECENT EVENTS ON THAT ONE
9:06:04PM FACTORY IN WEST TAMPA THAT IS NOT PROTECTED, AND WE SAW WHAT
9:06:11PM COULD HAPPEN AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS COULD HAPPEN TO THESE
9:06:15PM VALUABLE, VALUABLE LANDMARKS, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE REFER
9:06:19PM THESE 12 BUILDINGS, WHICH ARE THE FIRST 12 LISTED ON DENNIS'
9:06:23PM MEMO, CAN I READ THEM BY ADDRESS OR WHATEVER, OR JUST
9:06:27PM INCORPORATE IT BY REFERENCE AS THE FIRST 12 AND SPECIFICALLY
9:06:33PM IN HIS MEMO HE SAYS, QUOTE, THESE ARE THE 12 THAT ARE,
9:06:37PM QUOTE, NOT PROTECTED BY LOCAL ORDINANCE OR SUBJECT TO
9:06:41PM ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW.
9:06:42PM THE FIRST ONE IS PERFECTO GARCIA.
9:06:45PM AND THE LAST ONE IS TIERRA DEL LAGO.
9:06:48PM THOSE ARE THE 12.
9:06:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DATE OF THE MEMO?
9:06:52PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DATE OF MEMO, SEPTEMBER 4th.
9:06:54PM WITH THAT SAID, VERY SIMPLE.
9:06:56PM IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF PUTTING ANY
9:07:01PM BURDEN ON THEM.
9:07:02PM IT'S JUST REFERRING THIS TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION
9:07:03PM COMMISSION FOR FURTHER REVIEW, AND THAT'S MY MOTION.
9:07:09PM >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
9:07:10PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
9:07:12PM A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:07:13PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:07:14PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:07:14PM ANYTHING FURTHER, SIR?
9:07:16PM >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
9:07:16PM THANK YOU.
9:07:17PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
9:07:18PM COUNCILMAN GUDES?
9:07:19PM >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, SIR.
9:07:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, I BELIEVE TUESDAY EVENING I MADE A
9:07:22PM MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO WMNF FOR THEIR 40th
9:07:28PM BIRTHDAY.
9:07:29PM I WAS GOING TO TAKE IT TO THE RADIO STATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO
9:07:33PM INVITE THEM HERE ON SEPTEMBER 26th.
9:07:35PM IT'S THE WORKSHOP SESSION.
9:07:37PM WE HAVE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH AND FIREFIGHTER OF THE
9:07:38PM QUARTER.
9:07:40PM I WANTED TO SQUEEZE THEM IN.
9:07:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENDATIONS THAT DAY?
9:07:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
9:07:45PM >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S FINE.
9:07:46PM WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:07:49PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:07:51PM ANY IN FAVOR?
9:07:55PM ANY OPPOSED.
9:07:56PM THANK YOU.
9:07:56PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE LAST MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
9:07:59PM WE HAD A VERY FINE PowerPoint PRESENTATION GIVEN TO US
9:08:02PM TONIGHT.
9:08:02PM I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY STAFF MAKE THAT
9:08:05PM AVAILABLE, WHETHER IT BE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION OR IN
9:08:07PM PAPER PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE AND ALSO BE
9:08:11PM PLACED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
9:08:14PM >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
9:08:17PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
9:08:18PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:19PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:19PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
9:08:22PM >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOTHING ELSE.
9:08:23PM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
9:08:24PM >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, ANYTHING SIR?
9:08:26PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT
9:08:29PM A COMMENDATION TO -- [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
9:08:34PM -- SEPTEMBER 16 IN THE YEAR 2019.
9:08:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:08:44PM SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
9:08:45PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:46PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:47PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
9:08:48PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
9:08:50PM NOTHING FROM ME.
9:08:51PM RECEIVE AND FILE?
9:08:52PM MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
9:08:55PM MANISCALCO.
9:08:55PM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:08:56PM ANY OPPOSED?
9:08:57PM COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED.
9:08:58PM [ADJOURNED]
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