CRA MEETING
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2019
9:00 A.M.
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09:01:30 >>JOE CITRO: THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD HELD ON THIS
09:01:34 DAY, SEPTEMBER 12th, 2019, IS NOW IN SESSION.
09:01:37 DO WE HAVE INVOCATION?
09:01:39 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:01:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:01:43 THIS MORNING, THE PRESENTER TO INTRODUCE THE INDIVIDUAL
09:01:46 DOING THE PRESENTATION FOR THE MORNING PRAYER, MR. JOHNSON
09:01:50 IS GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR GOOD FRIEND AND --
09:01:56 >> GOOD MORNING, CRA BOARD.
09:01:58 ED JOHNSON, CRA MANAGER FOR EAST TAMPA.
09:02:01 IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME THIS MORNING TO INTRODUCE A FRIEND AND
09:02:06 REAL BOOTS-ON-THE-GROUND DOER IN THE EAST TAMPA CRA THIS
09:02:10 MORNING.
09:02:11 BROTHER DANIEL JOHN DEAN SENIOR, AT THE AGE OF 9, BROTHER
09:02:16 DEAN MOVED FROM HIS NATIVE COUNTRY OF JAMAICA TO MIAMI,
09:02:20 FLORIDA.
09:02:20 AND IT IS THERE WHERE HE RECEIVED HIS FORMAL PUBLIC
09:02:23 EDUCATION.
09:02:24 PRIOR TO MOVING TO TAMPA IN 1999, PASTOR DEAN BECAME
09:02:29 FAMILIAR WITH MOST ASPECTS OF CONSTRUCTION WHILE WORKING FOR
09:02:33 HIS FAMILY'S BUSINESS.
09:02:35 AFTER MOVING TO TAMPA, HE ESTABLISHED TWO 501(C)(3)
09:02:39 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.
09:02:40 THROUGH PROJECT NOW, WHERE COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS ADDRESSED,
09:02:47 THROUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION, GED PREPARATION,
09:02:51 MENTORING AND TWO COMMUNITY CENTERS, HOUSING A PRIVATE
09:02:56 SCHOOL IN ONE AND A CHARTER SCHOOL IN A NEIGHBORHOOD
09:03:00 ASSOCIATION OFFICE IN THE OTHER.
09:03:03 THE OTHER NONPROFIT, BIBLE TRUTH MINISTRIES, PROVIDES
09:03:06 MULTIPLE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHERE THE CHURCH IS
09:03:09 LOCATED.
09:03:10 EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH THIS ORGANIZATION
09:03:14 DURING THE DAY AND AFTER SCHOOL.
09:03:17 BROTHER DEAN HAS DEDICATED MUCH OF HIS LIFE IN SERVICE TO
09:03:22 OTHERS.
09:03:22 HE SEEKS A MORE FAIR AND JUST SOCIETY FOR ALL PEOPLE.
09:03:26 SO HELP ME WELCOME THIS MORNING A TRUE FRIEND OF COMMUNITY
09:03:30 ENGAGEMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT, BROTHER DANIEL DEAN.
09:03:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN
09:03:38 STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:40 >> HOW IS EVERYONE DOING THIS MORNING?
09:03:43 I RECOGNIZE EVERYONE IN THEIR RESPECTFUL PLACES.
09:03:46 IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS.
09:03:48 FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS.
09:03:50 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCY, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND
09:03:53 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM.
09:03:54 ASK, LORD, THAT WISDOM WILL BE EXHIBITED TODAY O LORD AS
09:03:58 THEY DISCUSS THE AFFAIRS OF THE COMMUNITY, BOTH RICH AND
09:04:03 POOR, THOSE NEEDS THAT ARE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS
09:04:06 CITY AND THE COMMUNITY FORWARD.
09:04:09 HELP US, O GOD, TO PUT OURSELVES ASIDE AND PUT PURPOSE
09:04:12 BEFORE YOU, THAT YOU WILL BE DONE NOT ONLY IN OUR LIVES BUT
09:04:16 IN OUR COMMUNITY AT-LARGE AND WITH THIS I THANK YOU.
09:04:19 AMEN.
09:04:20 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:04:35 >>JOE CITRO: ROLL CALL.
09:04:39 >> DINGFELDER?
09:04:40 GUDES?
09:04:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:04:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:43 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:04:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:45 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:46 >>JOE CITRO: HERE.
09:04:46 BEFORE WE START, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
09:04:50 COMMENT.
09:04:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PASTOR DEAN, COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SIR.
09:04:54 I'VE KNOWN YOU FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW, SIR, AND I WANT TO
09:04:59 THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO OUT IN THE EAST TAMPA
09:05:02 AREA.
09:05:03 A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE
09:05:07 TRYING TO DO, BUT I UNDERSTAND.
09:05:09 YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A WAY OF DIFFERENCE FOR FOLKS IN THAT
09:05:12 COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY ON 29th AND LAKE, ESPECIALLY ON
09:05:15 22nd BY MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL AND 34th AND CHELSEA.
09:05:19 YOU KEEP ON DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, SIR.
09:05:21 I WANT TO BE A PERSON THAT YOU CAN RELY ON AT ANY TIME YOU
09:05:25 CALL.
09:05:25 CAN YOU DO THAT FOR ME, SIR?
09:05:27 >> SURE.
09:05:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:05:29 >> THANK YOU.
09:05:32 >>JOE CITRO: BOARD MEMBERS, WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WOULD LIKE
09:05:35 TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 AND COMBINE IT WITH ITEM AGENDA
09:05:42 NUMBER 10.
09:05:48 >> SO MOVED.
09:05:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
09:05:54 >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED.
09:05:56 >> SECOND.
09:05:56 >>JOE CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
09:05:57 ALL OPPOSED?
09:05:58 THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH, BOARD MEMBERS.
09:06:04 >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT COMBINING IT WITH THE WALK-ON THAT
09:06:07 MS. ZELMAN SENT US?
09:06:09 >>JOE CITRO: MS. ZELMAN, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE, BUT,
09:06:12 HOWEVER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CHIME IN ABOUT THAT.
09:06:15 >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS.
09:06:17 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES.
09:06:18 THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PROVIDED CAN BE ADDRESSED WITH AGENDA
09:06:21 ITEM 10.
09:06:22 IT WAS EMBEDDED IN AGENDA ITEM -- I'M SORRY, 5.
09:06:26 AND WE JUST SEPARATED IT OUT AS A SEPARATE RESOLUTION.
09:06:29 BUT THAT WILL COME UP WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.
09:06:32 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
09:06:35 >>JOE CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
09:06:37 WE HAVE A REPORT COMING FROM THE DOWNTOWN CHANNELSIDE --
09:06:40 EXCUSE ME.
09:06:41 NICHOLAS, ARE YOU READY TO GIVE US YOUR REPORT TODAY?
09:06:47 >>NICHOLAS BUCHANAN: NICK BUCHANAN.
09:06:48 I'M THE CHAIR OF THE CHANNELSIDE CRA.
09:06:51 I'VE BEEN THERE, I THINK, FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
09:06:54 NICE TO BE HERE TO ADDRESS YOU GUYS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
09:06:58 I'LL GIVE MY MONTHLY REPORT.
09:07:00 SOME OF IT EXCITING, SOME OF IT UNDERGROUND THINGS.
09:07:02 SO THE CHANNELSIDE DRIVE PROJECT TEAM SUBMITTED 90% OF THE
09:07:07 CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY TO REVIEW BY END OF
09:07:10 SEPTEMBER.
09:07:11 AND THAT'S ALL THE CHANNELSIDE DRIVE ON THE AQUARIUM SIDE,
09:07:14 SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THAT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.
09:07:17 THE LIBERTY GROUP HELD THEIR GRAND OPENING FOR THE HAMPTON
09:07:19 INN AND HOMEWOOD 2 SUITES AT THE CORNER OF MERIDIAN AND
09:07:25 KENNEDY AND ALSO NOT TO FORGET THAT WE GOT A STARBUCKS.
09:07:28 SO WE'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
09:07:29 THE PUBLIX HAD A GRAND OPENING AUGUST 29th.
09:07:32 HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN DOWN THERE.
09:07:34 GREAT ASSET TO BE ABLE TO WALK AND GRAB GROCERIES AND GRAB
09:07:37 SOME LUNCH.
09:07:38 SPARKMAN WHARF IS FULLY UNDERWAY IN ALL ITS RENOVATIONS AND
09:07:44 HAS LOTS OF ACTIVITIES PLANNED, AWESOME STUFF ON Facebook.
09:07:48 THEY ARE GETTING READY TO AMP UP SOME OF THEIR FALL
09:07:52 ACTIVITIES.
09:07:52 WE HAVE A FEW PARCELS LEFT IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
09:07:56 WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE INTEREST FROM DEVELOPERS COMING
09:08:00 IN AND WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS.
09:08:02 SO WE'LL SEE WHO COMES IN FRONT OF US.
09:08:04 GIVE US IDEAS, AND WE CAN GIVE THEM RECOMMENDATIONS.
09:08:07 MERCURY ADVISORS, THE DEVELOPER OF ELEVE 61 IS IN THE
09:08:13 PROCESS OF PERMITTING THEIR CORNER.
09:08:15 HOPEFULLY WE START SEEING THAT GO UP PRETTY SOON.
09:08:18 I THINK THAT'S ABOUT 2.
09:08:23 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
09:08:24 >>JOE CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
09:08:29 >>NICHOLAS BUCHANAN: THANK YOU.
09:08:32 >>JOE CITRO: HANG ON ONE SECOND.
09:08:34 DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS FOR THE NEW
09:08:37 PUBLIX?
09:08:39 >>NICHOLAS BUCHANAN: AS FAR AS STATISTICS?
09:08:41 >>JOE CITRO: JUST BALLPARK, OFF HAND.
09:08:44 >>NICHOLAS BUCHANAN: I'M THERE ABOUT TWO, THREE TIMES A WEEK
09:08:46 BECAUSE MY OFFICE IS THERE.
09:08:47 YOU DEFINITELY SEE A LOT OF LUNCH TRAFFIC.
09:08:49 THAT IS THE TRAFFIC THAT I SEE.
09:08:51 AND THEN A LOT OF RESIDENTS COMING OUT OF THERE WITH GROCERY
09:08:54 BAGS.
09:08:55 IT SEEMS PRETTY BUSY TO ME.
09:08:56 WE CAN FIND OUT SOME STATISTICS FOR YOU.
09:08:59 >>JOE CITRO: FANTASTIC.
09:09:00 I HOPE RESIDENTS IN YBOR CITY ARE TAKING OUR WONDERFUL
09:09:03 STREETCAR THERE AND GETTING THE GROCERIES AND GOING HOME.
09:09:05 MAYBE I'LL HEAR FROM MS. COURTNEY LATER ON ABOUT THAT.
09:09:09 THANK YOU, NICHOLAS.
09:09:11 CHIEF BENNETT.
09:09:12 I STILL CALL YOU CHIEF.
09:09:17 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT'S OKAY.
09:09:18 SEEMS TO FOLLOW IT SO FAR.
09:09:21 GOOD MORNING, BOARD.
09:09:21 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF, CITY OF TAMPA.
09:09:24 CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU READY FOR ITEM 2?
09:09:26 >>JOE CITRO: YES.
09:09:27 LET'S TALK ABOUT ITEM 2, PLEASE.
09:09:28 >>JOHN BENNETT: JUST AS A PRELUDE TO -- A RECOMMENDATION OF
09:09:32 CHANGE OF ORDER IS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE CRA STAFF TO
09:09:35 PRESENT INDIVIDUALLY FROM HERE ON OUT, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF
09:09:38 THE BOARD, TO BETTER DEVELOP COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OF YOU
09:09:43 AND INCREASE OUR ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS
09:09:45 WHY WE'RE HERE TO SERVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
09:09:48 INSTEAD OF ME COMING UP AND MONOLOGUING ABOUT THE AREAS,
09:09:51 THEY'LL COME UP FOR A RECOMMENDED TIME OF THREE MINUTES OR
09:09:53 LESS AND GIVE YOU THE UPDATES ON EACH OF THE CRAs.
09:09:56 THAT WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER CHANCE TO ENGAGE STAFF ONE ON
09:09:59 ONE.
09:10:00 IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?
09:10:01 >>JOE CITRO: LET ME ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS.
09:10:03 BOARD MEMBERS, DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO CRA MEMBERS
09:10:07 GIVING A BRIEF STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THEIR DISTRICTS?
09:10:20 >>BILL CARLSON: TELL ME IF THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE.
09:10:22 WHEN WE GET INTO A LONGER DISCUSSION, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
09:10:25 REPORTING AND ACCOUNTABILITY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
09:10:30 I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS -- AND I TALKED ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF
09:10:34 TIMES IS CORRELATION.
09:10:35 SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO US AS
09:10:39 HAPPENING IN THE CRA, LIKE PUBLIX, THE LAST TIME WHOEVER WAS
09:10:43 PRESENTING IT PRESENTED PUBLIX, AND I ASKED WAS THAT A
09:10:46 PROJECT SUBSIDIZED BY THE CRA AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
09:10:50 TRADITIONALLY, FROM THE FEW MONTHS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, IN
09:10:53 THE REPORT THAT WE GET, MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED
09:10:58 MAY HAVE INDIRECTLY DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF CRA INVESTMENTS,
09:11:02 BUT THEY ARE NOT DIRECT INVESTMENTS IN THE CRA.
09:11:04 >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.
09:11:05 >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD DISAGREE.
09:11:07 BUT WHAT I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IS -- AND THIS IS NO
09:11:10 CRITICISM OF WHAT NICK PRESENTED OR ANYTHING ELSE.
09:11:13 BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A LISTING OF WHAT THE CRA
09:11:17 PROJECTS ARE, WHAT IS THE CRA INVESTING IN OR WHAT
09:11:21 SUCCESSFUL THAT THE CRA HAS INVESTED IN?
09:11:23 AND IN A SEPARATE SECTION, TO LIST WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT
09:11:27 DISTRICT.
09:11:27 IS THERE SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CONNECTED TO IT?
09:11:31 BUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE'RE REALLY DOING?
09:11:34 WHAT IS IT WE'RE HAVING AN IMPACT ON?
09:11:38 >>JOE CITRO: I AGREE ALSO, BUT AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVE WHAT
09:11:41 CHIEF BENNETT IS TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD IN IS EACH CRA AT
09:11:46 THIS TIME, JUST GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT HAS
09:11:48 HAPPENED WITHIN THE CRA OR CAC'S AREAS SINCE THE LAST TIME
09:11:53 WE MET.
09:11:53 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND THAT'S CORRECT FOR THIS MEETING.
09:11:56 BUT TO BOARD MEMBER CARLSON'S POINT, WE'RE HOPING WE CAN
09:11:59 BUILD A STRONGER METHODOLOGY TO BRING YOU BACK THE
09:12:01 INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING IN THAT LEVEL.
09:12:04 BUT STILL PRESENT IN THE SAME STYLE BY INDIVIDUAL CRA
09:12:08 MANAGER.
09:12:08 >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I THINK, TO ME, MORE INFORMATION IS
09:12:10 BETTER.
09:12:11 SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
09:12:12 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO COMMUNICATE.
09:12:18 >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING -- AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT
09:12:20 THIS WHEN WE GET TO ITEM 3 AND 10 -- I WENT THROUGH THE
09:12:23 ENABLING LEGISLATION LAST TIME AND ALSO THE GRAND JURY
09:12:27 REPORT AND IT SAYS THE PURPOSE OF CRA IS SLUM, BLIGHT,
09:12:30 AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:12:31 AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF STRATEGIC
09:12:34 PLANNING EXERCISE AS A BOARD, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF ALSO
09:12:38 WHATEVER WE'RE INVESTING IN IS GROUPED INTO THOSE CATEGORIES
09:12:41 SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN WHAT
09:12:45 WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE INVESTING IN, BUT THAT CAN BE A
09:12:48 CONVERSATION LATER.
09:12:48 >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH, AND I THINK MAYBE WHEN WE GET TO THE
09:12:51 COMBINED ITEM, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
09:12:53 BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH MORE ACCOUNTABILITY
09:12:56 AND AWARENESS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:12:58 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
09:13:00 >>JOE CITRO: CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ORCHESTRATE THIS?
09:13:03 >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, THEY HAVE THEIR ORDER, SO THEY'LL COME
09:13:05 UP IN PRESENTATION ORDER.
09:13:06 WE'LL GIVE -- IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, THREE MINUTES EACH OR
09:13:09 LESS.
09:13:10 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OBJECTION?
09:13:11 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:13:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE,
09:13:15 MR. CHAIRMAN, SHOULD WE ASK QUESTIONS AT EACH DISTRICT, OR
09:13:22 WOULD YOU PREFER WAITING TILL THE END?
09:13:25 >>JOE CITRO: I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DISCRETIONARY TO THE
09:13:27 BOARD MEMBERS.
09:13:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
09:13:28 THANK YOU.
09:13:29 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
09:13:34 >> GOOD MORNING, ROB ROSNER, DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT MANAGER
09:13:38 FOR DOWNTOWN CHANNEL DISTRICT CENTRAL PARK AND TAMPA HEIGHTS
09:13:43 RIVERFRONT.
09:13:44 I'LL START WITH THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
09:13:46 TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN
09:13:50 COMPLETED AND ARE UNDERWAY.
09:13:52 FIRST, WE COMPLETED THE BIG RAYS FISH CAMP AND SAIL PLAZA
09:13:56 DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVENTION CENTER
09:13:57 RENOVATIONS.
09:13:59 THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE CRA.
09:14:00 THEY HAD THEIR GRAND OPENING ON THE 22nd.
09:14:02 IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
09:14:03 WE WERE VERY HAPPY.
09:14:04 GOT A LOT OF COMPLIMENTS FOR THAT.
09:14:05 THE TOWER IS MOVING FORWARD.
09:14:09 OBVIOUSLY, THE CRA IS INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.
09:14:12 YOU'LL SEE THAT ITEM ON NUMBER 9.
09:14:14 PILOT RESIDENCES AND DOMINO'S SITE, WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE IN
09:14:19 THIS DEAL RIGHT NOW, BUILDING HERMAN MASSEY PARK.
09:14:22 WE'RE WORKING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR HARRISON
09:14:27 STREET.
09:14:27 THAT'S PART OF SPRINGHILL SITE.
09:14:29 DOMINO SITE IS PART OF THAT AND THEN THE TECO IMPROVEMENTS
09:14:33 THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. AS I MENTIONED, HERMAN MASSEY PARK
09:14:38 CONSULTANTS WORKING ON 90% PLANS RIGHT NOW.
09:14:40 WE'RE GIVING THEM COMMENTS.
09:14:41 THAT'S INTENDED TO COME THIS SPRING.
09:14:43 OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND, LIKE
09:14:46 815 WATER STREET, THEY ARE CONTINUING TO CLIMB.
09:14:49 THE WATER STREET TAMPA INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING ALONG WITH
09:14:54 THAT.
09:14:54 THEY ARE IN PHASE ONE, STAGE THREE AT THIS TIME, WHICH IS
09:14:57 THE REROUTING OF CHANNELSIDE DRIVE AND THE OTHER ROADWAY
09:15:01 WORK THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.
09:15:03 BEFORE I MOVE ON TO ANY OTHERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR
09:15:06 DOWNTOWN?
09:15:08 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:15:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GUDES WAS UP FIRST.
09:15:12 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:15:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST WANT TO SEE, THE LAST TIME WE
09:15:16 TALKED, I ASKED FOR TO LOOK INTO GETTING WITH THE CAC BOARD,
09:15:21 KID MASON PLAYGROUND.
09:15:22 CAN YOU GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THAT?
09:15:25 >>ROB ROSNER: YES.
09:15:25 WE MET WITH BRAD SUDER OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND WE MET
09:15:29 WITH THE STAFF AT THE FACILITY AND LOOKED THROUGH THAT AND
09:15:32 IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT COULD BE RENOVATED OR
09:15:35 ADDED TO THAT TO IMPROVE ITS QUALITY AND THE USE OF THAT.
09:15:41 CURRENTLY, IT'S BEING USED AS AN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM BUT
09:15:45 THERE WAS DESIRE AND THERE'S A LOT OF REQUEST FOR EVENING
09:15:48 EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
09:15:49 WE MADE A NUMBER OF -- IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
09:15:54 THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE THERE AND BRAD SUDER IS FOLLOWING
09:15:58 UP WITH THAT.
09:15:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:16:01 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:16:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:16:03 GOOD MORNING, ROB.
09:16:04 ON YOUR REPORT IT SAYS PREPARE LAND SALE AGREEMENT WITH
09:16:08 SPRINGHILL SUITES FOR EAST HARRISON STREET IN PROCESS.
09:16:13 I DON'T KNOW IF I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT.
09:16:17 IS THAT CITY LAND?
09:16:19 >>ROB ROSNER: YES.
09:16:20 IN 2009, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT THE NORTHERN PARCEL,
09:16:25 THE FORMER HARRISON STREET WAS VERY NARROW, AND THE DOMINO'S
09:16:30 SITE WAS ALL UNDER CONTRACT IN 2009.
09:16:33 THAT WAS A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.
09:16:34 THAT DIED ON THE VINE BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY.
09:16:37 ANOTHER LANDOWNER CAME BY, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, WANTS TO
09:16:42 EXECUTE THAT.
09:16:43 IN ORDER TO GET THE HOTEL TO WORK, WE WERE GOING TO OPEN UP
09:16:47 HARRISON STREET AGAIN SO THEY COULD HAVE THE PROPER ACCESS.
09:16:51 THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF LAND SALE THAT GOES INTO THAT TO
09:16:54 GET THE PROPER WIDTH OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09:16:56 THAT'S WHAT THAT IS REFERRING TO THAT.
09:16:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHO OWNS THE LAND?
09:16:59 THE CITY OR THE CRA?
09:17:01 >>ROB ROSNER: THE CITY OWNS IT.
09:17:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND IS THERE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED
09:17:05 WITH THAT COMING FROM THE DEVELOPER?
09:17:07 >>ROB ROSNER: NO.
09:17:08 ON SEPTEMBER 19th, THERE WILL BE A HEARING ABOUT THAT
09:17:11 AGREEMENT.
09:17:11 AND I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS HANDY, BUT THEY ARE INTENDING
09:17:15 TO USE IMPACT FEES TO PAY FOR THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION, VERY
09:17:19 SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH AER WITH THE PROCEEDS OF
09:17:23 THE SALE.
09:17:23 THAT ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING UP
09:17:26 RIGHT-OF-WAY LAND THERE.
09:17:27 THIS ONE IS BASED ON REOPENING HARRISON STREET.
09:17:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
09:17:33 I HAD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS ON THE RIVERWALK AGREEMENT, BUT
09:17:41 YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS ITEM 9.
09:17:43 I'LL GO AHEAD AND HOLD OFF ON THAT.
09:17:44 THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WITH REGARD TO DOWNTOWN IT
09:17:48 SAYS BEGIN ADVERTISING FOR THE NEW FACADE PROGRAM FOR
09:17:51 DOWNTOWN CRA.
09:17:52 THE BOARD HAD SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACADE
09:17:57 PROGRAM, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATED TO DOWNTOWN A COUPLE OF
09:18:01 MONTHS AGO.
09:18:02 WERE YOU HERE FOR THAT?
09:18:03 >>ROB ROSNER: I WAS.
09:18:03 IT'S JUST A GENERAL THOUGHT OF IF WE CONTINUE WITH IT, THEN
09:18:09 WE WOULD WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE PLAN TO ADVERTISE.
09:18:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THIS BODY
09:18:13 IS DOWNTOWN THE PLACE THAT WE WANT TO DO FACADES?
09:18:18 WE'RE ALWAYS UP FOR BETTER FACADES.
09:18:22 THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO FUND THOSE, ESPECIALLY TO
09:18:25 PERHAPS WEALTHY PROPERTY OWNERS?
09:18:29 >>ROB ROSNER: WELL, THIS WAS BROUGHT FORTH BY OUR CAC WHO
09:18:32 ASKED TO DO THAT.
09:18:33 WE'RE HAPPY TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS YOU WANT TO DO WITH
09:18:37 THAT.
09:18:37 AND WITH THE INTENT OF IT WAS PASSED BEFORE AND OUR PLAN WAS
09:18:41 TO ADVERTISE IT.
09:18:42 THAT WAS WHY --
09:18:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY
09:18:47 THOUGHTS ON IT OTHER THAN ME?
09:18:50 SPECIFICALLY FOR DOWNTOWN.
09:18:50 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST ALL OF THE FACADE
09:18:54 GRANTS FROM NOW ON.
09:18:55 I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
09:18:56 EVERYWHERE WE'VE GONE SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, THE
09:19:00 PUBLIC COMES TO ME AND THINKS IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY.
09:19:04 I THINK THERE COULD BE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANTS, BUT
09:19:07 WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THE MONEY COULD BE USED OTHERWISE, I
09:19:11 DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF MONEY AT ALL, AND ESPECIALLY
09:19:14 IN DOWNTOWN.
09:19:15 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:19:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN PARTIALLY AGREE WITH YOU,
09:19:19 MR. CARLSON.
09:19:20 PARTIALLY.
09:19:20 BECAUSE IN SOME AREAS, FACADE GRANTS ARE NEEDED TO HELP
09:19:23 THOSE GET OVER THE HUMP.
09:19:26 NOW, I CAN SEE A DOWNTOWN, A CHANNELSIDE, SOME OF THE AREAS
09:19:31 WHERE THE INCENTIVES THAT WE GIVE ALREADY, WE'RE TALKING
09:19:37 ABOUT NEW BUILDINGS GOING UP IN THESE PLACES.
09:19:39 SO I CAN SEE WHERE A FACADE GRANT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY FOR
09:19:43 THOSE TYPE FACILITIES DOWNTOWN.
09:19:45 WE TALK ABOUT SOME PORTION OF WEST TAMPA AND EAST TAMPA,
09:19:50 THOSE PLACES NEED HELP.
09:19:53 AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE CAC BOARDS UNDERSTAND
09:19:57 THIS BOARD, WHO IS THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CAC BOARD, MAKE
09:20:01 SURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE TO HELP THE PEOPLE.
09:20:05 NOW, I TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT SOME FOLKS SHOULDN'T GET THEM,
09:20:09 BUT TO SAY ALL -- I CAN'T AGREE WITH ALL NOT BEING A PART OF
09:20:13 A PROGRAM THAT YOU KNOW SOME PLACES NEED HELP.
09:20:16 SO I WOULDN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF GETTING RID OF IT, BUT I
09:20:19 WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF CURTAILING IT FOR A WHILE, BUT NOT
09:20:22 GETTING RID OF IT, SIR.
09:20:23 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:20:24 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
09:20:25 I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:20:27 I THINK THAT AMENDED, DON'T END IT PROGRAM, TYPE OF AN IDEA
09:20:31 I THINK WITH FACADE GRANTS WORKS.
09:20:33 YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN WHAT FACADE GRANTS CAN DO TO IMPROVE
09:20:37 COMMUNITIES.
09:20:38 WE HAD A PRIOR DISCUSSION.
09:20:39 I BELIEVE YOU MADE A MOTION MAYBE LAST MEETING, I THINK
09:20:42 ABOUT THIS, NOT JUST RELEGATED TO DOWNTOWN.
09:20:45 HAVING SOME, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT MEANS TESTING, BUT
09:20:48 TAKING A LOOK AT PARTIAL MEANS TESTING FOR SOME OF THE
09:20:50 GRANTS.
09:20:51 IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT.
09:20:52 IN OTHER WORDS, TAKING A LOOK AT THE AMOUNT THAT A PROPERTY
09:20:56 OWNER HAS GOT TO PUT FORWARD IF SOMEBODY IS PARTICULARLY
09:20:59 LOWER INCOME, AND WANTING TO BE AN ASPIRING ENTREPRENEUR
09:21:03 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DOES MORE THAN JUST MEET THEM HALFWAY
09:21:06 THERE FOR CERTAIN GRANTS.
09:21:07 THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD BE STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF.
09:21:10 BUT I THINK A ONE-SHOE-FITS-ALL-TYPE OF JUST-SAY-NO POLICY
09:21:16 TO FACADE GRANTS IS NOT SOMETHING I COULD SUPPORT.
09:21:18 I THINK IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE FACADE GRANTS THAT
09:21:21 HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, YOU PUT THEM COLLECTIVELY,
09:21:23 THERE IS A ROBUST INVESTMENT IN BLIGHTED AREAS, A ROBUST
09:21:26 INVESTMENT IN AREAS THAT NEED HELP AND A ROBUST TRANSITION
09:21:29 FOR A LOT OF ASPIRING ENTREPRENEURS TO BUSINESS OWNERSHIP,
09:21:33 IN MY OPINION.
09:21:34 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:21:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:21:36 I ALSO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE FACADE
09:21:40 PROGRAMS, IT'S LIKE ME HAVING AN UGLY FACE.
09:21:45 I MAY NEED HELP.
09:21:47 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:21:48 I MAY NEED EYES PUT BACK BECAUSE I'M GETTING OF AGE.
09:21:54 THE BUILDINGS ARE OF AGE.
09:21:56 THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE -- UNDERSTAND.
09:21:58 BESIDES THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACADE PROGRAM, THEY ARE
09:22:02 BROUGHT IN BY THE BOARD APPROVAL OF THOSE AREAS, AM I
09:22:05 CORRECT?
09:22:06 >>ROB ROSNER: CORRECT.
09:22:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THOSE AREAS HAVE DIFFERENT BOARD.
09:22:09 IT AIN'T THE OWNERS SAYING, LOOK, I WANT THIS, LET ME HAVE
09:22:12 IT.
09:22:13 THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS, NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE
09:22:15 AT, AND IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO SAY, YOU KNOW, NO FACADE
09:22:21 PROGRAMS.
09:22:22 THERE'S AN OLD MOVIE -- THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.
09:22:26 HOW LONG DO WE WANT TO BE UGLY?
09:22:28 THIS CITY NEEDS A SPRINGBOARD.
09:22:31 WHEN YOU LOOK AT AREAS IN DREW PARK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AREAS
09:22:34 IN EAST TAMPA, WHEN YOU LOOK AT AREAS IN WEST TAMPA, WHEN
09:22:37 YOU LOOK AT OTHER AREAS, AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S DOWNTOWN
09:22:40 DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT A BUILDING -- NOT ALL BUILDINGS
09:22:43 DOWNTOWN ARE LESS THAN TEN YEARS OLD.
09:22:44 IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY.
09:22:46 SKYSCRAPER THAT'S UNDER 20 YEARS OLD, EXCEPT THOSE GOING UP
09:22:52 NOW.
09:22:52 SO IN 20 YEARS, YOU NEED A WHITEWASH.
09:22:55 20 YEARS, YOU MAY NEED A NEW ENTRANCE.
09:22:57 IN 20 YEARS, YOU MAY NEED SOMETHING.
09:23:00 AND ANY HOUSE THAT'S BUILT DOES NOT LAST FOREVER UNLESS YOU
09:23:04 MAINTAIN IT.
09:23:05 AND WHEN YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO
09:23:08 DO THE RIGHT THING AND DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS BUT YET WE HAVE
09:23:11 THE MECHANISM FOR THEM TO FIX IT THROUGH THE BOARD THAT'S
09:23:14 CREATED BY THE CRA AND THOSE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, AND THEY
09:23:18 SAY THE RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BOARD, UP TO US TO VOTE YEA
09:23:22 OR NAY.
09:23:24 I'M NOT SAYING I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR A FACADE PROGRAM.
09:23:27 I THINK IT'S NEEDED.
09:23:28 SO I TAKE IT CASE BY CASE, AND THAT'S HOW I STAND.
09:23:31 THANK YOU.
09:23:32 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:23:35 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK I AGREE WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE
09:23:38 SAID.
09:23:40 THE THING IS, I THINK FACADE GRANT IS THE WRONG MECHANISM.
09:23:44 I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS HELPING
09:23:47 ENTREPRENEURS.
09:23:47 WE'RE CHANGING THE FACE OF A STREET, BUT WE'RE ALSO HELPING
09:23:51 ENTREPRENEURS.
09:23:52 AND I THINK IF WE PUT THAT $500,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS INTO A
09:23:57 POT AND SAID, HOW BEST CAN WE HELP ENTREPRENEURS AND
09:24:01 ALLEVIATE BLIGHT, WE MIGHT COME UP WITH DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS.
09:24:04 WHAT THE COMMUNITIES ARE TELLING ME, WE NEED TO HELP
09:24:08 ENTREPRENEURS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:24:09 WE NEED TO NOT JUST SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPERS FROM THE OUTSIDE TO
09:24:12 COME IN AND BUILD A LOT OF BIG BUILDINGS.
09:24:14 WE NEED TO HELP ENTREPRENEURS TO BUILD UP THEIR BUSINESSES,
09:24:17 SUSTAIN THEIR BUSINESSES, AND IN EAST TAMPA, I JUST TOOK A
09:24:21 TOUR AGAIN THE OTHER DAY.
09:24:23 ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE NEED MORE THAN JUST BEAUTY SHOPS.
09:24:25 WE NEED LOTS OF SERVICES.
09:24:27 WE NEED ADDITIONAL SERVICES FOR PEOPLE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO
09:24:30 DRIVE ACROSS TOWN ALSO TO GO GET THE SERVICES THAT THEY
09:24:34 WANT.
09:24:35 THERE WERE LOTS OF MODELS, ONE OF THEM THAT I'M SOMEWHAT
09:24:38 FAMILIAR IS BOSTON COMMUNITY CAPITAL.
09:24:40 IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE CDC, BUT YOU HAVE A PARTNERSHIP
09:24:44 BETWEEN GOVERNMENT OR NONPROFIT OR PRIVATE SECTOR TO INVEST
09:24:47 IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE THAT -- IN A WAY THAT SUBSIDIZES
09:24:50 OR HELPS ENTREPRENEURS.
09:24:53 I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF SPENDING ALL THE MONEY ON FACADE
09:24:56 GRANTS, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN THIS ITEM COMES UP
09:24:59 AGAIN, BUT WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES.
09:25:01 WE HAVE A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE IN THE CITY, AND I WISH
09:25:03 SOMEONE WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES ARE AND
09:25:05 HOW BEST WE COULD USE THIS MONEY TO ALLEVIATE BLIGHT, BUT
09:25:07 ALSO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS WHO WANT TO BUILD
09:25:11 BUSINESSES.
09:25:11 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:25:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID
09:25:18 IN REGARD TO EAST TAMPA AND WEST TAMPA, DREW PARK.
09:25:24 I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME REAL SUCCESSES ON THE FACADES IN
09:25:28 THOSE DISTRICTS.
09:25:30 MY ALARM STARTED GOING OFF SPECIFICALLY ON THIS ITEM IN
09:25:36 REGARD TO DOWNTOWN.
09:25:36 IF ANYBODY OWNS A DOWNTOWN PROPERTY, I MEAN, THEIR TAX BILL
09:25:41 IS HIGHER THAN PROBABLY ALL OF OUR MORTGAGES PUT TOGETHER OR
09:25:44 SOMETHING.
09:25:45 SO WHY EXACTLY IS THE CRA SUBSIDIZING ANY PART OF THAT
09:25:49 FACADE IMPROVEMENT?
09:25:51 AND EVEN IN YBOR CITY, THERE WERE TWO INSTANCES RECENTLY IN
09:25:56 YBOR CITY, AND WE LET THEM GO THROUGH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK A
09:26:01 LITTLE DEEPER, THERE ARE SOME WEALTHY PROPERTY OWNERS THAT
09:26:05 TOOK ADVANTAGE -- NOT TOOK ADVANTAGE, BUT THAT WERE
09:26:10 SUCCEEDED IN GOING THROUGH THE FACADE PROGRAM AND GETTING
09:26:13 $50,000 EACH.
09:26:14 I KIND OF SCRATCH MY HEAD ON THOSE AS WELL.
09:26:16 BUT ANYWAY, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO THROW UP A CAUTION FLAG
09:26:21 ON THAT ONE, ROB.
09:26:22 >>ROB ROSNER: OKAY.
09:26:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'VE HEARD THE BOARD.
09:26:24 >>ROB ROSNER: UM-HUM.
09:26:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I THINK THERE'S SOMEWHAT -- SOME
09:26:29 AGREEMENT IN REGARD TO DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SOME
09:26:34 CONCERN ABOUT DOWNTOWN.
09:26:35 PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY.
09:26:37 >>ROB ROSNER: THANK YOU.
09:26:39 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:26:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, I WANT TO GO BACK.
09:26:43 I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN PROBABLY TAKING RIDES IN MY DISTRICT, AND
09:26:47 I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE RIDIN' WITH, AND I DON'T CARE WHO
09:26:50 YOU'RE RIDING WITH, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY THIS.
09:26:53 YES, WE HAVE A LOT OF BEAUTY AND BARBER SHOPS, BUT AT THE
09:26:58 END OF THE DAY, THOSE FOLKS AIN'T ON THE STREET DOING BAD
09:27:02 THINGS.
09:27:02 THEY'RE MAKING A LIVING.
09:27:06 I SPEAK UP FOR THOSE FOLKS.
09:27:08 I THINK I KNOW MY DISTRICT MORE WELL THAN ANYBODY YOU MIGHT
09:27:10 HAVE BEEN RIDING WITH BECAUSE I LIVE THERE.
09:27:12 I WORK THERE.
09:27:14 I PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL THERE.
09:27:15 FED PEOPLE.
09:27:19 HAVE FOOTBALL, CHEERLEADING PROGRAMS.
09:27:23 I THINK I KNOW MY DISTRICT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ON THIS
09:27:25 BOARD.
09:27:26 WHAT WE NEED IS DEVELOPMENT.
09:27:27 GOOD DEVELOPMENT.
09:27:27 THAT DOESN'T COME THERE.
09:27:30 I'VE GOT ABOUT 27, 30 RETENTION PONDS IN MY DISTRICT.
09:27:34 DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.
09:27:35 CAN'T GET AN ANSWER ON THAT.
09:27:37 MAKES NO SENSE.
09:27:38 SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BLIGHT, IT'S LIKE IT'S A CIRCLE,
09:27:42 THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY POOR NEEDS TO BE AT, AND IT SICKENS
09:27:46 ME EVERY DAY WHEN I DRIVE THROUGH THERE BECAUSE I'M THERE
09:27:49 EVERY DAY.
09:27:49 I'M AT THE BALLPARKS EVERY DAY.
09:27:52 WHEN I DRIVE TO NEW TAMPA, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DROVE IN YOUR
09:27:55 DISTRICT ON SATURDAY.
09:27:56 THE PEOPLE WERE CALLING ME ABOUT THE CULTURAL -- THE YOUTH
09:28:00 AND SENIOR CULTURAL ENRICHMENT CENTER THAT I WANT TO BRING.
09:28:06 I DROVE OUT TO YOUR PLACE BECAUSE I KNEW WHAT MY VISION WAS
09:28:11 AND I KNEW WHAT THE SENIORS THAT TOLD ME ON THE CAMPAIGN
09:28:14 TRAIL.
09:28:15 WHEN I GO OUT THERE AND SEE THE YOUNG GIRLS AND SMALL TOTS
09:28:17 IN THERE DOING BALLET AND DANCE, AND I SEE A GYMNASTIC
09:28:22 PORTION IN THERE, AND YOU HAVE A NEW SECTION THAT'S BEING
09:28:24 BUILT.
09:28:25 THEN I GO DOWN THE STREET TO WAYNE PAPY AND I SEE ALL THE
09:28:29 PARENTS, SINGLE MOMS, A LOT OF THEM, WITH THE YOUNG GIRLS,
09:28:33 AGAIN A SMALLER SETTING OF A GYMNASIUM-STYLE, BUT NOT A GYM.
09:28:37 GYMNASTICS.
09:28:38 I SEE SCHOLARSHIP FOR KIDS.
09:28:41 I SEE BALLET WITH DANCE RECITALS THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN MY
09:28:47 DISTRICT.
09:28:47 SO THAT'S WHY I FIGHT SO HARD FOR THE SMALL THINGS.
09:28:51 WE GOT OTHER NEEDS IN OUR DISTRICT.
09:28:53 OTHER PARKS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH, BUT RIGHT NOW,
09:28:55 THERE'S A NEED FOR A BIGGER, BIGGER SCOPE FOR THE KIDS IN
09:29:00 OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR SENIORS.
09:29:01 SO I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, I KNOW YOU SEE A LOT OF BEAUTY
09:29:05 SHOPS, BUT THAT'S BEEN PAYING THE BILLS A LONG TIME, SIR.
09:29:09 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD JUST RESPOND.
09:29:11 FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY EXPERT ON YOUR DISTRICT.
09:29:14 UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE, YOU CAN'T GIVE ME A TOUR.
09:29:16 BUT I'M LEARNING THROUGH YOU HERE AND TRYING TO LEARN AS
09:29:20 MUCH AS I CAN ABOUT THE WHOLE CITY, NOT JUST YOUR DISTRICT.
09:29:23 THE POINT ABOUT BEAUTY SHOPS, AND I HAVE FRIENDS WHO OWN
09:29:26 BEAUTY SHOPS, TOO, SO IT'S NOT A POINT AGAINST THAT.
09:29:29 THE POINT IS THAT PEOPLE WANT SERVICES THAT ARE NOT EASILY
09:29:33 AVAILABLE.
09:29:33 AND THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE ACROSS TOWN TO GO TO
09:29:36 SERVICES THAT OTHER DISTRICTS HAVE.
09:29:37 I THINK THE MORE WE CAN -- YOU KNOW THIS BETTER THAN I, BUT
09:29:42 THE MORE WE CAN LOOK TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE
09:29:45 CITY SERVICES THEY NEED SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE ACROSS
09:29:48 TOWN, IT WILL NOT ONLY HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT IT WILL
09:29:50 HELP WITH TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND OTHER ISSUES.
09:29:52 BUT THANK YOU.
09:29:54 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER STATEMENTS?
09:29:55 IF I MAY, BOARD, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT BEAUTY PARLORS.
09:30:01 I HAVE TO GO TO WORK AT ONE OF THOSE FOUR DAYS OUT OF THE
09:30:05 WEEK.
09:30:05 AS TO MR. CARLSON'S POINT, MY BELIEF IS THAT I SHOULD BE
09:30:13 LOOKING AT FACADE GRANTS INDIVIDUALLY.
09:30:19 AND THE WAY I HAVE SEEN FACADE GRANTS WORK -- EXCUSE ME,
09:30:23 MR. TEETH, MR. TONGUE, MR. LIPS ARE NOT WORKING IN SYNC.
09:30:28 IT GOES FROM COMMUNITY TO COMMITTEES, TO BOARDS, AND THEN
09:30:36 COMES TO US.
09:30:37 THE FACADE GRANTS ARE JUST NOT FREE MONEY.
09:30:45 THERE'S A PART THAT THE OWNER HAS TO COME UP WITH AND
09:30:47 MATCHING BY THE FACADE GRANTS.
09:30:49 AS FAR AS DOWNTOWN GOES, THERE IS A 120-YEAR BUILDING DOWN
09:30:53 THE STREET THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO POINT ITS BRICKS, BUT THEY
09:30:58 HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR -- INSTEAD OF BLANKET STATEMENT WITH
09:31:07 BIAS SAYING I'M NOT GIVING ANY FACADE GRANTS, HEAR EACH CASE
09:31:11 INDIVIDUALLY THAT IS PRESENTED TO US BY THE CACs AND THE
09:31:14 CRAs.
09:31:14 AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE BUILDINGS IN AREAS OF TOWN THAT WE
09:31:18 THINK ARE THE RICHEST AREAS THAT STILL NEED HELP.
09:31:23 IT'S A DOMINO EFFECT.
09:31:25 YOU HAVE ONE BUILDING THAT GETS FIXED, AND WITH A BIG SIGN
09:31:29 OUT FRONT THAT SAYS "SEE YOUR CRA TAX DOLLARS HARD AT WORK,"
09:31:34 MAYBE THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR AND LITTLE BY LITTLE BY LITTLE,
09:31:38 EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, EACH CRA, EACH CAC SEES REDEVELOPMENT.
09:31:44 THAT'S MY FINAL WORD ON IT.
09:31:46 ANYTHING ELSE, MR. ROSNER?
09:31:48 >>ROB ROSNER: I HAVE TWO OTHER REPORTS TO GIVE.
09:31:49 >>JOE CITRO: PROCEED.
09:31:50 >>ROB ROSNER: OKAY.
09:31:51 SO CHANNEL DISTRICT, NICHOLAS GAVE A GOOD REPORT ON THAT.
09:31:56 TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. CARLSON HAD ABOUT HEARING
09:31:58 MORE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, WE ARE STARTING THE FIRST OF THE
09:32:02 NINE PROJECTS IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
09:32:04 PLEASE VISIT CHANNEL DISTRICT PROJECTS.COM.
09:32:07 TONIGHT, WE'LL BE HAVING OUR PUBLIC MEETING FOR STARTING THE
09:32:10 12th STREET SEGMENT C.
09:32:13 WE'LL BE MEETING WITH EACH OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND
09:32:15 TALKING TO THEM ABOUT ROAD CLOSURES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT
09:32:18 WILL BE IN.
09:32:19 WE ENGAGED A GROUP TO HELP US WITH THAT.
09:32:21 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT FOR PUBLIC MEETING.
09:32:23 THE REST OF THEM IN CHANNEL DISTRICT, 90% PLANS, WE'VE BEEN
09:32:29 MEETING WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE PORT, HART.
09:32:32 WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE FLORIDA AQUARIUM TO MAKE
09:32:35 SURE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT AND THE WAY WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT
09:32:38 REDEVELOPED.
09:32:39 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHANNEL DISTRICT?
09:32:44 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:32:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:32:46 HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT MEETING
09:32:52 LAST NIGHT.
09:32:53 IT WAS A GOOD ROBUST DISCUSSION ON VARIOUS ISSUES, SOME OF
09:32:59 WHICH ROB HAS TOUCHED ON TODAY.
09:33:02 ONE ISSUE THAT CAME UP RATHER STRENUOUSLY THAT APPARENTLY
09:33:09 HAS BEEN BREWING THERE FOR A WHILE IS THE ISSUE OF
09:33:12 F.A.R.s.
09:33:13 FLOOR AREA RATIOS.
09:33:17 YEARS AGO, A COUNCIL -- WHEN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT WAS FIRST
09:33:24 STARTING OUT AS EVERYBODY RECALLS, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A
09:33:27 LITTLE WAREHOUSE DISTRICT, FOUR STORIES, LOFTS, AND THAT
09:33:32 SORT OF THING.
09:33:33 AND THEN A COUPLE OF HIGH-RISES GOT APPROVED, AND ALL OF A
09:33:36 SUDDEN IT BECAME MORE OF A HIGH-RISE DISTRICT, KIND OF AN
09:33:40 EXTENSION OF DOWNTOWN, AND NOW SPP IS FILLING IN IN BETWEEN,
09:33:45 THAT'S FINE.
09:33:46 THAT'S JUST SORT OF HISTORY AND WHAT HAPPENED.
09:33:49 BUT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ALSO HAPPENED WAS THERE
09:33:55 WAS A FLOOR AREA RATIO LIMITATION IN CHANNELSIDE AS RELATED
09:34:00 TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT.
09:34:02 I'LL CALL IT THE LINDA SAUL-SENA CONCEPT, WHICH WAS VERY
09:34:05 VALID, BUT ULTIMATELY DIDN'T HAPPEN.
09:34:08 AND THAT FLOOR AREA LIMITATION HAS NOW CONSTRAINED SOME OF
09:34:13 THE PROJECTS THAT THE RESIDENTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS DOWN
09:34:18 THERE WANT TO SEE HAPPEN.
09:34:21 THIS ISN'T EXACTLY A CRA ISSUE, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION IT
09:34:23 BECAUSE THE CRA BOARD MENTIONED IT WHEN I WAS THERE LAST
09:34:26 NIGHT, AND THEY ACTUALLY ASKED ME TO BRING IT UP, THAT THEY
09:34:32 WANT TO BE FREE OF THOSE F.A.R. LIMITATIONS, THE SAME WAY
09:34:35 THAT DOWNTOWN IS.
09:34:36 THEY WANT TO BE ON THE EQUAL FOOTING AS DOWNTOWN.
09:34:39 IF THEY'VE GOT AN ACRE OF LAND, THEY WANT TO GO AS HIGH AND
09:34:43 DENSE AS POSSIBLE WITH THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
09:34:46 AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE OTHER RESIDENTS DOWN THERE WHO
09:34:49 ARE NOT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GUNG HO ABOUT IT, BECAUSE
09:34:52 THEY WANT MORE BODIES DOWN THERE, TOO, BECAUSE THE MORE
09:34:55 BODIES DOWN THERE, THE MORE ACTIVITIES, THE MORE VIBRANCE,
09:34:58 ET CETERA, IT WILL BE MORE OF AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT THAT THEY
09:35:01 WANT.
09:35:02 SO I'M JUST BRINGING IT UP SORT OF AS AN FYI.
09:35:05 I ASKED THEM TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND PUT IT IN WRITING TO
09:35:12 THE COUNCIL, NOT THE CRA, SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT AS A ZONING
09:35:16 ISSUE.
09:35:16 JUST AN FYI TO THE BOARD.
09:35:17 >>JOE CITRO: COMMENTS?
09:35:18 QUESTIONS?
09:35:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. ROSNER, BEFORE YOU GO, AT THE NEXT CRA,
09:35:24 MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE PROCESS AT KID MASON.
09:35:27 I'M GETTING CALLS ON THAT.
09:35:29 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GIVE SOME SORT OF PROGRESS ON
09:35:33 WHERE WE'RE AT IN THAT PHASE.
09:35:35 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL.
09:35:36 IT IS A BLIGHTED AREA IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
09:35:38 I KNOW THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAS FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO HELP.
09:35:42 I SEE THE CAC BOARD, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING IS STARTING TO
09:35:46 MOVE THAT WAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAPPEN.
09:35:48 THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING IF WE CAN GET THE PROJECT DONE
09:35:51 SOONER THAN LATER FOR THE KIDS IN THAT COMMUNITY RIGHT
09:35:53 THERE.
09:35:53 I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT.
09:35:55 REALLY NOTHING THERE, THE CENTRAL PARK ACROSS THE STREET,
09:35:57 THOSE KIDS OVER THERE CAN CROSS THAT STREET AND COME RIGHT
09:35:59 THERE TO KID MASON AND HAVE A GOOD PLACE TO GO.
09:36:03 GENTLEMEN, IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE, I IMPLORE YOU TO GO
09:36:08 DOWN THERE AND LOOK AT THE FACILITY.
09:36:09 YOU WOULD BE STUNNED ON HOW THE CITY HAS LET THAT AREA
09:36:13 DOWNTOWN.
09:36:14 SERIOUSLY, LET THAT COMMUNITY CENTER DOWN.
09:36:16 IT LOOKS LIKE A PRISON DOWN THERE.
09:36:21 >>ROB ROSNER: THANK YOU.
09:36:21 WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THAT UPDATE.
09:36:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
09:36:23 >>ROB ROSNER: TAMPA HEIGHTS RIVERFRONT, WE HAVE A NEW
09:36:27 RIVERWALK VENUE CALLED STONE'S THROW.
09:36:30 THEY OPENED UP IN LATE JULY.
09:36:33 THEY ARE RIGHT THERE ON THE WATER, VERY SIMILAR TO THE SAIL
09:36:35 DOWN AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE OYSTER BAR.
09:36:38 GET A CHANCE TO ENJOY THAT.
09:36:40 THEY ANNOUNCED A NEW SPROUTS GROCERY AS PART OF THE
09:36:46 REDEVELOPMENT.
09:36:47 TWO ROUNDABOUTS FOR PALM AVENUE.
09:36:48 THAT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THAT.
09:36:50 THEY ARE STILL WORKING THAT OUT FROM THEIR PHASING.
09:36:54 THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS.
09:36:58 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:36:59 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED THAT THE RESTAURANT, I FORGOT
09:37:01 WHAT IT WAS CALLED, STONE'S THROW OR SOMETHING, THEN YOU
09:37:04 ALSO MENTIONED THE SAIL AND PREVIOUSLY YOU MENTIONED THE
09:37:07 RESTAURANTS AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
09:37:09 IN THOSE CASES, DID THE CRA DIRECTLY SUBSIDIZE THE
09:37:14 RESTAURANTS?
09:37:15 OR IN THE CASE OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, WAS IT THE
09:37:17 CONVENTION CENTER SUBSIDY THAT INDIRECTLY AFFECTED IT?
09:37:20 AND ON STONE'S THROW --
09:37:22 >>ROB ROSNER: STONE'S THROW WAS ALL ON ITS OWN.
09:37:24 THAT WAS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:37:27 AT THE SAIL, THE SITE WORK AND OTHER WORK RELATED TO THE
09:37:30 RIVERWALK WAS THE CRA'S CONTRIBUTION.
09:37:33 ARAMARK BUILT THE BUILDING AND THEN THE CONCESSIONS AND
09:37:36 OTHER PIECES WERE THROUGH THE TDC MONEY.
09:37:40 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MONEY FOR THE BUILDINGS WERE PAID FOR BY
09:37:42 THE CRA OR JUST THE RIVERWALK AREA AROUND IT?
09:37:45 >>ROB ROSNER: THE RELATED RIVERWALK AND UTILITIES AND THE
09:37:48 PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS NEEDED TO MAKE THAT SPACE
09:37:51 WHAT IT IS.
09:37:52 IF YOU RECALL WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS A LARGE GRASSY AREA, AND
09:37:56 WE CONFIRMED THAT.
09:37:57 TRANSFORMED THAT INTO A NICE CIVIC SPACE.
09:38:03 BUT THERE WAS AN AIR MARK -- EARMARK CONTRACT THAT THE
09:38:06 CONVENTION CENTER HAD TO PROVIDE THE FACILITIES.
09:38:09 >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL STOP ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS.
09:38:11 I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW
09:38:14 WHAT WE'RE FUNDING, AND WHAT WE'RE DIRECTLY IMPACTING VERSUS
09:38:19 WHAT WE MAY BE INDIRECTLY IMPACTING.
09:38:22 BECAUSE I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT MAKING SURE
09:38:26 THAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THE RIGHT WAY.
09:38:29 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW AND THE PUBLIC IS
09:38:34 WATCHING ON TV.
09:38:35 SO I WANTED THEM TO KNOW AS WELL.
09:38:37 THANK YOU.
09:38:38 >>ROB ROSNER: YOU'RE WELCOME.
09:38:38 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:38:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, ANOTHER CRA THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT.
09:38:45 MR. CARLSON, YOU'RE RIGHT.
09:38:46 A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, PRIVATE CRA DOLLARS.
09:38:53 MY QUESTION IS, WE MADE A SPECIAL PROVISION FOR THE TAMPA
09:38:56 HEIGHTS AREA, FOR THE CRA.
09:38:59 WHICH NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY MINORITY BUSINESSES ARE DOWN
09:39:02 THERE, ARE SPARKING UP DOWN THERE, IF ANY?
09:39:05 >>ROB ROSNER: DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY BUT I COULD GET THAT FOR
09:39:08 YOU.
09:39:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.
09:39:11 IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL CRA AND ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON,
09:39:13 I NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF -- MINORITY BUSINESSES, WHAT'S
09:39:18 GOING ON DOWN THERE.
09:39:19 WE'VE GOT APARTMENTS GOING UP.
09:39:21 WHAT IS THE RATIO OF MIXED-LEVEL INCOMES OR HOUSING IN THAT
09:39:27 AREA?
09:39:28 AGAIN, I GREW UP TWO BLOCKS NORTH OF PALM ON PARK AVENUE, SO
09:39:31 THAT AREA WAS A HEAVILY AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
09:39:36 WE HAVE THESE TRANSITIONS THAT COME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE
09:39:39 THAT OTHERS STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO THEIR
09:39:42 HOMES AND BE BUSINESS OWNERS OR BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE AREA.
09:39:45 IF YOU COULD GET ME INFORMATION ON THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE
09:39:48 IT.
09:39:49 >>ROB ROSNER: SURE.
09:39:50 HAPPY TO DO THAT.
09:39:51 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TAMPA HEIGHTS?
09:39:52 CENTRAL PARK, WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED.
09:39:54 AGAIN, WE FINALLY GOT A COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO FORM
09:40:00 A QUORUM.
09:40:04 THEY ARE INTERESTED IN FUNDING THE COMMUNITY GARDEN INTENDED
09:40:07 TO BE BUILT BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
09:40:08 SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM.
09:40:10 WE FORMED A SUBCOMMITTEE TO GATHER FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY
09:40:14 AND REACH OUT TO TAMPA HEIGHTS COMMUNITY GARDEN FOR SOME
09:40:17 GUIDANCE OF HOW THEY STARTED.
09:40:18 THEY ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED AND WANTING TO BE ACTIVELY
09:40:23 INVOLVED WITH CENTRAL PARK.
09:40:24 THAT'S THE END OF MY REPORT.
09:40:27 >>JOE CITRO: ANYTHING ELSE?
09:40:27 ROB, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:40:29 >>ROB ROSNER: YOU'RE WELCOME.
09:40:30 HAPPY TO DO IT.
09:40:39 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:40:39 COURTNEY ORR, CRA MANAGER FOR YBOR CITY.
09:40:41 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PAST
09:40:44 YEAR HAS BEEN THE VISION PLAN 2020, WORKING WITH VHB AND THE
09:40:50 PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:40:51 WE ARE SET TO BRING THAT TO YOU HOPEFULLY IN OCTOBER OR
09:40:54 NOVEMBER FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
09:40:56 WE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THAT PLANNING
09:41:00 PROCESS, AND SO WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE CAPTURED A LOT OF THE
09:41:05 COMMUNITY'S INTEREST IN THE PLAN.
09:41:06 WE'LL BRING THAT FINAL PRESENTATION TO YOU IN THE NEXT MONTH
09:41:09 OR TWO.
09:41:10 AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A FIVE-YEAR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN TO
09:41:13 FOLLOW.
09:41:13 ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE PROJECTS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY IS
09:41:20 THE NEW YBOR HOTEL.
09:41:23 AND WE WERE HAPPY TO MEET THE NEW MANAGER.
09:41:25 THE NEW MANAGER HAS BEEN SELECTED.
09:41:28 HE'S MOVING IN FROM MINNESOTA.
09:41:30 HE HAS BEEN MINNESOTA.
09:41:32 HE'S BEEN WITH THE APARIUM GROUP, WHO IS THE MANAGING GROUP
09:41:38 OF THE HOTEL.
09:41:39 HE'S ALREADY BEEN WITH APARIUM FOR A FEW YEARS.
09:41:42 WE ARE GOING TO GAIN HIM.
09:41:43 WE DID AN YBOR CITY INTRODUCTION WITH STAFF LAST WEEK TO
09:41:47 MEET HIM AND TELL HIM A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT YBOR CITY
09:41:51 THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN LEARNING.
09:41:52 THE GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB HOSTED A GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY IN
09:41:58 AUGUST.
09:41:59 THAT WAS TO ANNOUNCE THE RENOVATION OF THE VACANT SOCIAL
09:42:04 CLUB AND THE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY HEALTH CARE FACILITY THAT
09:42:07 WILL HOUSE THE METRO WELLNESS CENTER.
09:42:09 SO THE METRO WELLNESS CENTER CURRENTLY RESIDES ON 7th
09:42:14 AVENUE BUT WILL GO OVER INTO THE GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB ONCE
09:42:17 THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE.
09:42:18 CRA MANAGERS SET UP A MEETING WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT
09:42:24 REPRESENTATIVES TO BETTER GRASP THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL
09:42:30 GRANT OPPORTUNITIES, SUCH AS THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE
09:42:34 PROGRAM AND REHABILITATION FUNDS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE
09:42:36 CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.
09:42:37 IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO ADD AN ITEM IN REGARD TO A
09:42:43 PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP INVITATION TO PARTICIPATE FOR
09:42:47 REDEVELOPMENT OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS WITH ADDITIONAL USES.
09:42:50 THE CITY CURRENTLY DOES NOT OWN ANY PROPERTY WITHIN THE YBOR
09:42:53 CITY AREA TO INITIATE A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT, SO THAT'S
09:43:00 JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PUT OUT THERE TO INVESTIGATE
09:43:03 WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD ISSUE AN RFP TO DO A PRIVATE-PUBLIC
09:43:09 PARTNERSHIP TO HOPEFULLY GAIN SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING IN THE
09:43:12 DISTRICT.
09:43:12 AND THEN WITH HURRICANE DORIAN, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
09:43:17 WORK WITH OUR NEW CONTRACTOR.
09:43:20 WE HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YET TO INITIATE THEM OR
09:43:24 INTRODUCE THEM TO HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS.
09:43:26 SO WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW OUR NEW CONTRACTOR TO
09:43:30 KIND OF GET THEIR FEET WET, SO TO SPEAK, OF GETTING READY
09:43:33 FOR AN EVENT OF ANY DISASTER.
09:43:36 LET'S SEE.
09:43:38 COUNCILMAN GUDES RECOMMENDED THAT WE BETTER ADDRESS THE
09:43:44 EASTERN SIDE OF YBOR CITY AS FAR AS THE BUSINESSES.
09:43:48 SO WE DID CANVASS THOSE BUSINESSES WITH INFORMATION ABOUT
09:43:52 HOW TO SIGN UP FOR NEWSLETTERS SO THEY ARE GETTING THE
09:43:54 INFORMATION THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT GRANTS WE HAVE, JUST TO
09:43:57 BE BETTER INFORMED.
09:43:58 WE ALSO HAVE PULLED ALL THE ADDRESSES IN YBOR CITY FROM ALL
09:44:01 CRAs -- OR THE TWO CRAs.
09:44:03 SO WE ARE GOING TO BE SENDING OUT -- THIS IS JUST A
09:44:07 PRELIMINARY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING OUT A
09:44:10 FIVE-BY-SEVEN POSTCARD THAT WILL SHOW SOME IMAGES OF YBOR ON
09:44:14 THE FRONT SIDE AND THEN ON THE BACK SIDE, THE INVITATION OF
09:44:17 WHERE THEY NEED TO SIGN UP TO START TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
09:44:20 WE'LL BE SENDING THE POSTCARD OUT PROBABLY IN THE NEXT
09:44:23 COUPLE OF WEEKS.
09:44:24 AND THEN TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HART AND PUBLIX RIDERSHIP ON
09:44:36 THE STREETCAR, I AM WORKING -- WE'RE WORKING WITH HART ON
09:44:39 CREATING A SURVEY SO THAT WE CAN START TO UNDERSTAND THE
09:44:43 DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE RIDERSHIP OF THE STREETCAR AND WHY THEY
09:44:47 ARE RIDING IT, AND WE'LL SPECIFICALLY ASK A QUESTION IN
09:44:52 REGARD TO ARE THEY RIDING THE STREETCAR SPECIFICALLY TO GET
09:44:55 TO PUBLIX.
09:44:56 WE ARE WORKING WITH HART.
09:44:57 THAT'S IN PROGRESS CURRENTLY.
09:45:00 WE HAVE A LOT OF COORDINATION ON A VARIETY OF REPAIRS AND
09:45:03 UPKEEP OF THE DISTRICT.
09:45:05 WE FINALLY WILL BE REGLAZING AT THE COMMUNITY'S REQUEST THE
09:45:10 ADAMO MURAL.
09:45:11 THE NOTABLE MURAL ON ADAMO DRIVE.
09:45:13 WE WILL BE REGLAZING THAT.
09:45:15 THE ORIGINAL ARTIST, MICHAEL PARKER, HAS OFFERED TO DO THAT
09:45:18 FOR US WITH SOME FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.
09:45:21 HE WILL BE DOING THAT THIS MONTH.
09:45:24 THE CENTENNIAL PARK, FROM A COMMUNITY REQUEST, THE IMMIGRANT
09:45:28 STATUE, WE WILL BE REPAIRING THE CENTENNIAL PARK IMMIGRANT
09:45:31 STATUE WITH ASSISTANCE TO THE ARTS DEPARTMENT.
09:45:35 WE'RE DOING ENHANCED LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION IMPROVEMENTS
09:45:38 TO CENTENNIAL PARK AND PALM AVENUE MEDIANS.
09:45:41 WE'VE REPAIRED MANY DISTRICT SIGNS AS WELL AS INSTALLATION
09:45:44 OF NEW TWO-HOUR PARKING SIGNS, 15-MINUTE SIGNS, FREIGHT
09:45:49 SIGNS, AND WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND
09:45:53 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY ON THOSE
09:45:56 REQUESTS.
09:45:57 LET'S SEE.
09:46:01 WE'RE EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT DURING THE FLORIDA
09:46:03 REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE IN OCTOBER, YBOR WILL
09:46:07 ACCEPT PROMOTIONS CATEGORY STATEWIDE AWARD FOR OUR MARKETING
09:46:14 CAMPAIGN.
09:46:14 AND IN ADDITION, RUMOR HAS IT THAT YBOR CITY AND DOWNTOWN
09:46:20 WILL BE RECOGNIZED WITH ANOTHER AWARD FROM A LOCAL
09:46:24 ORGANIZATION IN OCTOBER.
09:46:24 SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE MORE DETAILS WITH YOU ON THAT.
09:46:28 AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
09:46:32 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:46:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:46:35 COURTNEY, THANKS FOR YOUR REPORT.
09:46:38 JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
09:46:39 IN REGARD TO THE GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB, IS THAT A NONPROFIT
09:46:44 ORGANIZATION THAT PURCHASED THAT OR A PROFIT ORGANIZATION?
09:46:48 >> PROFIT.
09:46:49 IT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
09:46:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
09:46:50 I THOUGHT SO.
09:46:55 ELSEWHERE IN OUR PACKET IS THE $50,000 -- I ASSUME IT IS A
09:47:04 FACADE GRANT TO THAT GROUP FOR A FACADE.
09:47:07 I DRIVE BY THE GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB.
09:47:09 IT LOOKED PRETTY GOOD ON THE FACE OF IT.
09:47:13 WHAT ARE THEY DOING FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS?
09:47:17 >> I BELIEVE THEY REQUESTED 42.
09:47:20 THEIR INVESTMENT WOULD BE 50 AND OUR INVESTMENT WOULD BE 42
09:47:23 THOUSAND.
09:47:23 I REMEMBER THE REPORT READING SPRAWLING.
09:47:29 THAT IS A NEW WORD FOR ME.
09:47:31 I THINK THE CEMENT -- I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REPORT
09:47:35 SPECIFICALLY.
09:47:35 IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU HERE IN A MINUTE.
09:47:38 IT HAS TO DO WITH I BELIEVE CEMENT REPAIRS.
09:47:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SOME PHYSICAL DAMAGE.
09:47:45 >> UM-HUM.
09:47:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY, MR. CHAIR,
09:47:50 WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
09:47:52 I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM THE CUBAN CLUB, WHICH IS A NONPROFIT
09:47:55 GROUP, MR. MANTEIGA, WHO THEY HAD SOME HUGE NEEDS AT THE
09:48:02 CUBAN CLUB BUT HE'S LIMITED BY THE $50,000 CAP IN TERMS OF
09:48:07 THE REQUEST.
09:48:07 AM I BRINGING THAT UP IN NEW BUSINESS?
09:48:11 >>JOE CITRO: BRING IT UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS, PLEASE.
09:48:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST THING, COURTNEY, IS MY BRIDE,
09:48:16 LYNN, SERVES AS A VOLUNTEER ON THE COUNTY'S HISTORIC MARKER
09:48:21 COMMITTEE.
09:48:21 AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE, BUT THEY
09:48:24 ARE BASICALLY IN CHARGE OF PUTTING UP NEW HISTORIC MARKERS
09:48:29 ALL OVER THE COUNTY, INCLUDING THE CITY, AS WELL AS
09:48:30 MAINTAINING THE OLD ONES.
09:48:32 THERE ARE QUITE A FEW MARKERS, HISTORIC MARKERS IN YBOR
09:48:36 CITY.
09:48:37 SOME OF THEM ARE OLD.
09:48:37 SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY INACCURATE FROM WHAT LYNN'S BOARD
09:48:42 IS SAYING.
09:48:43 AND THEY ONLY COST $3,000 TO REPLACE AND SORT OF UPGRADE.
09:48:51 I GUESS I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T YET, THAT
09:48:54 YOU MIGHT TOUCH BASE TO THAT GROUP.
09:48:58 >> WE REACH OUT TO THEM.
09:49:00 WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE PAST.
09:49:01 WE'LL FIND OUT WHERE THEIR ASSESSMENT AND WORK IS IN
09:49:05 REFERENCE TO YBOR CITY.
09:49:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM,
09:49:08 BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE MUCH MONEY.
09:49:11 IF YOU HAVE A SIGN OR TWO IN YBOR, MAYBE NEED SOME HELP,
09:49:17 MAYBE YOU CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.
09:49:19 >> OF COURSE.
09:49:20 WE'LL REACH OUT.
09:49:21 THANKS.
09:49:21 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:49:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. ORR, THANK YOU.
09:49:26 I ATTENDED YOUR MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT.
09:49:29 WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE MEETING IS YOU BROUGHT UP HOUSING IN
09:49:33 THAT MEETING.
09:49:34 SO THAT TELLS ME THAT YOU WENT OUTSIDE THE BOX AND YOU SAW
09:49:39 WHAT EAST TAMPA IS TRYING TO DO.
09:49:41 I TALKED ABOUT THIS FIRST COUPLE OF CRA MEETINGS WHEN I
09:49:45 ASKED MR. McDONAUGH, HOW MANY MEETINGS DO ALL OF THE CAC
09:49:51 BOARDS MEET TOGETHER TO SHARE IDEAS.
09:49:57 I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THAT, BECAUSE
09:49:59 THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT HAPPENED.
09:50:01 I WENT TO A COUPLE OF OTHER MEETINGS AND BROUGHT BACK IDEAS
09:50:03 OF OTHER CRAs.
09:50:04 SO THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO ALL THE CRA CHAIRS OR
09:50:08 VICE-CHAIRS, GET TOGETHER QUARTERLY, A COUPLE OF TIMES OUT
09:50:13 OF THE YEAR TO LOOK AT IDEAS, WHAT SOMEONE ELSE IS DOING, TO
09:50:16 BRING THOSE IDEAS.
09:50:17 I LIKE THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT IDEA TO YOUR BOARD.
09:50:19 WELL, WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE WAS SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
09:50:25 I THOUGHT THEY WERE PRETTY, PRETTY MEAN, THE LANGUAGE THAT
09:50:30 SOME PEOPLE WERE USING ABOUT IF WE HELP PEOPLE WITH HOUSING,
09:50:35 PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO DOWN AND SECTION 8 AND ALL THESE
09:50:40 DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID, QUITE DISTURBING.
09:50:43 BUT I LIKE WHAT YOU DID BY SAYING LET'S BRING THE HOUSING
09:50:47 DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THE PROGRAM, BECAUSE THE PLACE
09:50:51 THAT EVERYONE CAN LIVE.
09:50:52 I'M HAPPY THAT YOU DID THAT, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT
09:50:57 THAT IDEA TO YOUR BOARD IN REFERENCE TO HOUSING.
09:51:00 I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER IN ABOUT HOUSING.
09:51:05 WE HAVE ISSUES THAT NOT FOCUSED IN THE CRAs ABOUT HOUSING
09:51:09 AND WE NEED TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON HOUSING.
09:51:11 THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID.
09:51:12 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:51:13 >>BILL CARLSON: TWO QUICK POINTS RESPONDING TO MY
09:51:16 COLLEAGUES.
09:51:20 MR. DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT THE GERMAN CLUB.
09:51:22 I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA HOW WE CAN TAKE THE FACADE MONEY
09:51:25 AND SPLIT IT INTO TWO.
09:51:27 ONE BUCKET COULD BE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANTS.
09:51:31 IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE FACADE HAS TO CHANGE.
09:51:35 AND THEN THE OTHER THING WOULD BE, HAVING SOME KIND OF
09:51:38 MECHANISM TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES OR SMALL BUSINESS
09:51:41 DEVELOPMENT.
09:51:41 MAYBE PART OF THAT WOULD BE THEY WOULD UPGRADE THEIR
09:51:44 FACILITIES.
09:51:48 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
09:51:50 THANK YOU, MS. ORR.
09:51:53 >> THANK YOU.
09:51:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, PROCEDURALLY, I WAS GOING
09:52:01 TO SUGGEST -- NEVER MIND, I'LL WAIT UNTIL ED IS DONE.
09:52:05 GO AHEAD.
09:52:07 >> GOOD MORNING AGAIN, ED JOHNSON EAST TAMPA CRA MANAGER.
09:52:13 WE REPORTED FOR THE MONTHLY REPORT OUR TOP GOALS IN THE EAST
09:52:16 TAMPA CRA FROM THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE PERSPECTIVE.
09:52:19 WE HAD TWO GOALS REPORTED FOR THIS MONTH OF SEPTEMBER, AND
09:52:24 THEY BOTH ARE IN ASSOCIATION WITH WHEREVER PROPOSALS THAT
09:52:29 ARE ON THE STREET OR OFF THE STREET.
09:52:32 THE VERY FIRST ONE IS THE RFP FOR THE REMAINING 26 VACANT
09:52:38 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAD IN EAST TAMPA THAT WE DID THE RFP ON.
09:52:42 THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS CURRENTLY FINALIZING THE SCORING
09:52:46 OF THE TEN RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED.
09:52:49 THEY ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE THEIR RANKING AND SCORING
09:52:54 COMPLETED BY THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS TOMORROW,
09:52:57 SEPTEMBER 13th.
09:52:58 THE SECOND RFP IS RELATED TO OUR UPDATING OF OUR STRATEGIC
09:53:04 ACTION PLANNING PROCESS.
09:53:06 AND THAT RFP ACTUALLY CLOSES ON SEPTEMBER 19th.
09:53:11 SO SEPTEMBER 19th AT 2:00 IS THE LAST DAY FOR PROPOSALS TO
09:53:18 COME IN FOR THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLANNING UPDATE.
09:53:23 AND THEN THAT WILL CONTRACT ADMIN, OUR CITY'S CONTRACT ADMIN
09:53:27 IS HANDLING THIS PROCESS.
09:53:28 THEY'LL IMMEDIATELY START THE REVIEW PROCESS OF THOSE
09:53:34 RESPONSES AFTER 2 P.M. ON THE 19th.
09:53:37 ANOTHER ITEM OF NOTE I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR
09:53:43 ATTENTION, THE 34th STREET SAFETY AND ENHANCEMENT PROJECT
09:53:45 THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON 34th
09:53:50 STREET FROM COLUMBUS DRIVE GOING NORTH TO HILLSBOROUGH
09:53:53 AVENUE.
09:53:53 THAT CONTRACT FOR THAT WORK WILL BE GOING OUT TO BID.
09:54:00 THE BID OPENING IS ON OCTOBER 1st, 2019.
09:54:05 SO OCTOBER 1st, FOLKS CAN START LOOKING FOR THE BID
09:54:09 PACKAGES ON THE ENHANCEMENT WORK FOR THE SAFETY ENHANCEMENT
09:54:15 PROGRAM FOR 34th STREET.
09:54:18 REMEMBER, THAT IS A FDOT, CITY OF TAMPA PROJECT.
09:54:23 THE TIF IS INVOLVED ON THE TAIL END ONCE THE WORK IS DONE.
09:54:29 THE TIF IS COMMITTED TO DOING -- PAYING FOR SOME OF THE
09:54:35 LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC ART ON THAT
09:54:38 PROJECT.
09:54:38 THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING PROBABLY ANOTHER YEAR OR SO,
09:54:42 ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.
09:54:43 AND LAST, MY UPDATE IS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU ARE
09:54:51 OUT RIDING AROUND THAT YOU LOOK THROUGHOUT THE EAST TAMPA
09:54:54 COMMUNITY AT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH --
09:54:58 [CELL PHONE RINGING]
09:55:01 >>JOE CITRO: ED, HANG ON FOR ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
09:55:06 [CELL PHONE CONTINUES TO RING]
09:55:15 >>JOE CITRO: ED, HANG ON ONE SECOND.
09:55:16 TO PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN YOUR CELL
09:55:20 PHONES ON SILENT?
09:55:21 THANK YOU.
09:55:22 PROCEED, ED.
09:55:23 >>ED JOHNSON: OKAY.
09:55:24 THANK YOU.
09:55:25 I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, ONE OF OUR JOBS IN
09:55:32 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN CRAs, IS TO INDUCE
09:55:35 PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
09:55:39 AS YOU'RE RIDING AROUND THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY, PLEASE PAY
09:55:43 ATTENTION TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR NEW SINGLE-FAMILY
09:55:51 RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW IN EAST
09:55:54 TAMPA.
09:55:54 WE HAVE SEVERAL PRIVATE HOME BUILDERS THAT ARE NOT FUNDED
09:56:02 THROUGH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARENA.
09:56:04 THESE ARE ALL MARKET RATE DRIVEN HOMES THAT ARE BUILDING
09:56:11 SUBSTANTIAL UNITS IN OUR AREA.
09:56:13 SO, PLEASE, TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
09:56:14 THERE WAS ONE THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION.
09:56:16 I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON.
09:56:19 IT'S THE PROPERTY ON CHELSEA AND 26th STREET.
09:56:24 THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPER CALLED JIM CONSTRUCTION.
09:56:28 HE IS BUILDING ALL STEEL-FRAMED CONSTRUCTION.
09:56:36 THE PRODUCT IS BEING MANUFACTURED IN SARASOTA.
09:56:39 HE HAS BUILT FOUR OR FIVE OF THESE HOMES IN OTHER PARTS OF
09:56:43 OUR COMMUNITY, AND HE HAS SEVERAL LOTS IN EAST TAMPA THAT
09:56:47 THEY ARE BUILDING ON.
09:56:48 THE FIRST HOME THAT HE IS BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS ON CHELSEA
09:56:50 AND 26th.
09:56:51 YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT CONSTRUCTION.
09:56:54 IT'S PRETTY NEAT.
09:56:58 IT'S ABOUT A 90-DAY WINDOW FROM START TO FINISH.
09:57:01 I WENT BY ONE DAY, AND THE STEEL FRAMING WAS UP AND THEY HAD
09:57:04 THE WINDOWS, WHERE THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS WERE GOING TO
09:57:11 GO, NOTHING ELSE.
09:57:13 JUST THE STEEL FRAME AND GLASS WINDOWS.
09:57:15 I WAS AMAZED AT THIS KIND OF CONSTRUCTION.
09:57:18 YESTERDAY I WENT BY, AND ALL THE EXTERIOR PANELING AND
09:57:22 EVERYTHING IS ALREADY UP ON THE FACILITY.
09:57:25 IT'S A PRETTY NEAT CONSTRUCTION PRODUCT BUT ALL DRIVEN BY
09:57:29 THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
09:57:31 THERE IS NO INVESTMENT FROM THE TIF.
09:57:33 THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOLKS ARE SEEING THAT THERE ARE
09:57:36 OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
09:57:39 AND THESE HOMES, BY THE WAY, THE FOUR NEW DEVELOPERS THAT
09:57:44 ARE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, ALL OF THESE HOMES ARE IN EXCESS OF
09:57:49 $230,000.
09:57:50 IT DOES WORK.
09:57:53 THE OPPORTUNITIES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND NOW
09:57:58 STARTING TO SEE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT COMING TO THIS
09:58:00 COMMUNITY.
09:58:01 I LEAVE WITH YOU THAT, UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS.
09:58:05 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:58:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, ED.
09:58:07 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:58:08 DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PROPOSAL IT SAYS -- YOU MENTIONED
09:58:14 IT ABOUT THE RFP.
09:58:17 MR. BENNETT, PERHAPS THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR YOU AS A
09:58:21 GENERAL STATEMENT AS RELATED TO RFPs.
09:58:25 I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I SPOKE WITH YOU OR DENNIS ABOUT THIS
09:58:29 ISSUE.
09:58:30 I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE EVER SEEN THIS PARTICULAR RFP, BUT IT'S
09:58:38 OUT ON THE STREET AND NOW VENDORS, DEVELOPERS WILL BE
09:58:41 RESPONDING TO IT AND THEN ASSUMING WE PICK ONE, EVENTUALLY
09:58:46 IT'S GOING TO END UP HERE TO THE CRA OR TO CITY COUNCIL AT
09:58:49 SOME POINT.
09:58:50 JUST IN THE COURSE OF THINGS.
09:58:52 I'VE EXPRESSED AND I THINK MR. CARLSON HAS EXPRESSED SOME
09:59:00 CONCERN IN THE PAST ABOUT US GETTING INVOLVED IN THESE TYPES
09:59:04 OF PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CONTRACTUAL ISSUES SO LATE IN THE GAME
09:59:12 BECAUSE BY THE TIME THAT RFP GETS TO US, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN
09:59:17 WORKING ON IT, THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT, THE
09:59:19 DEVELOPER HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS
09:59:22 OR WHATEVER, AND IT IS A FINAL PRODUCT AND EVERYBODY IS
09:59:24 EXCITED AND NOW IT COMES TO COUNCIL AND WHAT IF WE HAVE AN
09:59:28 ISSUE WITH IT?
09:59:29 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
09:59:30 MY SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO FORMALIZE IT
09:59:33 AS POLICY, BUT I WOULD HOPE IN THE SPIRIT OF COOPERATION,
09:59:36 BOTH AS THE CRA AND THE CITY, THAT WE GET A CHANCE, THAT YOU
09:59:42 TAKE THAT RFP BEFORE IT GOES OUT ON THE STREET AND RUN IT BY
09:59:46 COUNCIL AND JUST SAY, THIS IS THE RFP WE INTEND ON DOING.
09:59:49 SO WE AS THE POLICY BODY CAN JUST SORT OF BLESS IT OR ASK
09:59:56 ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER BEFORE EVERYBODY GOES
09:59:59 THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE.
10:00:01 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT.
10:00:03 I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
10:00:07 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE HAVE NOT.
10:00:08 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
10:00:09 WE HAVE NOT.
10:00:10 I HAVE NO ISSUE SOCIALIZING THE CONCEPT.
10:00:13 AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
10:00:14 WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE
10:00:16 SEPARATION OF DUTIES BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND, OBVIOUSLY,
10:00:21 WHAT YOU DO AS A POLICY AND LEGISLATIVE APPROACH TOWARDS
10:00:24 THIS.
10:00:24 BUT I THINK LOOKING AT THE CONTINUUM TO GET THE BEST OUTCOME
10:00:29 IS WORTHY OF THAT EXAMINATION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
10:00:33 BRIGHT LINES ARE STANDING HERE RIGHT NOW.
10:00:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO AFTER
10:00:38 EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE COMMUNITY HAS WORKED ON SOMETHING FOR
10:00:40 NINE MONTHS OR A YEAR IS PUT A STOP TO IT AT THAT POINT,
10:00:48 WHEREAS, IF I OR WE HAD INPUT IN THE BEGINNING, THEN THOSE
10:00:54 CONCERNS AND ISSUES COULD EASILY BECOME NONISSUES.
10:00:58 LATER ON.
10:01:00 I THINK YOU GET WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
10:01:02 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS SIMILAR CONCERNS.
10:01:07 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:01:08 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THIS GETS TO THE TOPIC OF THREE TEN
10:01:14 AND THE SPECIAL ISSUE.
10:01:15 I THINK WE NEED A STRATEGY AND WE NEED A STRUCTURE AND A NEW
10:01:19 REPORTING STRUCTURE, A NEW REPORTING STYLE.
10:01:21 I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS THING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM TO
10:01:24 FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE RUN IT IN THE RIGHT WAY.
10:01:27 WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, LOTS OF PEOPLE SAID THAT CITY
10:01:33 COUNCIL SHOULD BE DOING CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE CRAs.
10:01:36 I WENT TO MY FRIENDS, SOME OF WHOM ARE NOT HERE ANYMORE, AND
10:01:41 THEY FELT LIKE THEIR HANDS WERE TIED.
10:01:42 THAT THE LAST ADMINISTRATION KIND OF CONTROLLED THE CRAs
10:01:45 THROUGH THE BACKDOOR.
10:01:47 SO THE DISCUSSION NEXT IS, EITHER WE OFFICIALLY DELEGATE OR
10:01:52 HAND OFF AND SAY THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS IN CHARGE OF
10:01:54 EVERYTHING, AND SO WE GIVE UP RESPONSIBILITY SO WE ALSO
10:01:58 DON'T GET CREDIT OR BLAME, OR WE SAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE
10:02:01 RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
10:02:02 WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT CREDIT OR BLAME, BUT THEN WE NEED A
10:02:05 REPORTING STRUCTURE THAT REFLECTS THAT.
10:02:08 RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T ONE.
10:02:10 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:02:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, EVERYTHING COMES TO PASS.
10:02:16 I THINK ME AND MS. ZELMAN HAD THIS ISSUE YESTERDAY ABOUT
10:02:20 CONTRACTS AND RFPs, HOW THEY ARE INFLATED 30, 40 PERCENT.
10:02:25 THAT BOTHERS ME.
10:02:27 AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER BEST
10:02:32 PRACTICES, MR. CARLSON, AND MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RIGHT.
10:02:35 WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHY IS IT THAT THE CITY GOVERNMENT IS
10:02:39 BEING CHARGED THIS ASTRONOMICAL PRICE FOR A PROJECT WHEN IN
10:02:43 REALITY IT SHOULDN'T COST THIS MUCH, BUT IT'S INFLATED OUT
10:02:47 TO HERE.
10:02:48 AND YET IT COMES TO US, AND WE'RE FORCED TO LOOK AT SIGNING
10:02:53 OFF ON A PROJECT THAT YOU'RE LIGHT, I KNOW DOGGONE WELL IT
10:02:57 DOESN'T COST THAT MUCH TO BUILD.
10:02:59 I GOT A BATHROOM THAT COST $220,000.
10:03:03 HOW DO YOU PAY FOR A BATHROOM $220,000?
10:03:06 HOW DOES THAT COST GET INFLATED LIKE THAT?
10:03:08 WE NEED TO RESEARCH OTHER PLACES, OTHER BEST PRACTICES SO WE
10:03:14 DON'T STICK THE COMMUNITY WITH THESE BILLS OR WE LOSE MONEY
10:03:17 IN THESE TIFs OR IN THE CITY BUDGET ON PROJECTS THAT
10:03:21 SHOULDN'T BE COSTING THAT KIND OF MONEY.
10:03:23 I WOULD AGREE, MR. DINGFELDER, MR. CARLSON, THAT WE LOOK AT
10:03:27 WORKING WITH STAFF, MR. BENNETT, LOOKING AT CHANGING POLICY.
10:03:30 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:03:32 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THERE IS ON WHAT WAS SAID SOME
10:03:36 RATIONAL BASIS.
10:03:38 AT THE VERY LEAST, VERY MINIMUM, GOING TO THE DISTRICT
10:03:41 COUNCIL MEMBER WHO REPRESENTS THE AREA AND TALKING TO HIM OR
10:03:46 SOMEDAY HER, RIGHT, ON WHAT'S GOING TO PROSPECTIVELY HAPPEN.
10:03:51 AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THAT IS A POUND OF PREVENTION
10:03:53 THAT COULD REALLY GO A LONG WAY.
10:03:56 BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, I THINK IT IS A TRUE
10:03:58 AND CORRECT STATEMENT THAT IF WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING
10:04:00 WHERE FOLKS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR NINE MONTHS, WE KIND
10:04:03 OF FEEL -- PRESSURE ISN'T THE RIGHT WORD -- THERE IS A LEVEL
10:04:09 OF PRESUMED REASONABLENESS IF WE SAY NO TO IT.
10:04:12 IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE DEAL WITH THE BUDGET.
10:04:14 MY FRIENDS ON THE MPO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AS
10:04:17 WELL, WHICH IS THERE ARE THINGS HANGING OVER OUR HEAD, SO TO
10:04:20 SPEAK, AND AT THE VERY LEAST, IF THE DISTRICT COUNCIL
10:04:23 MEMBER, VERY MINIMUM HAS A DIALOGUE ON THIS ISSUE TO SEE IF
10:04:29 THEY WANT TO BRING IT UP BEFORE THE CRA, I THINK THAT WOULD
10:04:32 BE AN ACT OF PREVENTION THAT COULD PAY GREAT DIVIDENDS IN
10:04:35 THE FUTURE.
10:04:37 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:04:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:04:42 I'M NOT HERE TO EXPRESS ANYTHING BUT JUST GOING TO NAME THE
10:04:46 LAST FOUR MAYORS.
10:04:47 NOT GRECO, NOT IORIO, NOT BUCKHORN, NOT CASTOR HAS EVER TOLD
10:04:52 ME HOW OR WHEN TO VOTE.
10:04:55 NEVER HAVE I BEEN ASKED TO DO THEM A FAVOR.
10:04:58 THEY ARE STILL ALIVE.
10:04:59 YOU CAN CALL THE GRAND JURY IF YOU WANT.
10:05:00 BUT THAT'S HOW I AM.
10:05:02 I DON'T KEEP NO $400 A MONTH.
10:05:04 I DON'T WANT IT.
10:05:06 I DON'T KEEP NOTHING, ANYTHING IN MY OFFICE.
10:05:09 IT'S MINE.
10:05:10 NOT THE CITY'S.
10:05:11 I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CITY'S PRINT MY OWN PAPER.
10:05:14 MY OWN BUSINESS CARDS ARE MINE.
10:05:16 IF YOU WANT TRANSPARENCY, CALL ME DUMB, CALL ME STUPID, BUT
10:05:19 THAT'S WHO I AM.
10:05:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:21 >>JOE CITRO: CHIEF, PROCEED.
10:05:23 >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, I JUST CAME UP TO ANSWER THAT
10:05:26 QUESTION.
10:05:26 THANK YOU.
10:05:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, I GUESS, IN SUMMARY, MR. CHAIRMAN --
10:05:31 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:05:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A LOT OF THE RFPs ARE NOT CRA.
10:05:37 THEY ARE JUST CITY, AND THEN THEY COME TO US AND THAT SORT
10:05:43 OF THING.
10:05:43 I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING MS. ZELMAN AND I NEED TO
10:05:47 TALK ABOUT IF IT'S JUST A CITY FUNCTION.
10:05:49 BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR ONE, ED HAS IT ON HIS REPORT, HE'S
10:05:54 COORDINATING THE CAC REVIEW AND SCORING OF AN RFP, AND HE
10:05:58 EXPLAINED THAT WAS FOR 26 VACANT PROPERTIES FOR THE
10:06:01 REDEVELOPMENT.
10:06:02 I THINK WE'RE ALL THRILLED THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE GOING
10:06:04 TO BE REDEVELOPED, BUT LIKE I SAY, AS THE CRA BODY, I DON'T
10:06:11 KNOW IF WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE RFP BEFORE IT WENT
10:06:14 OUT, BUT I KNOW WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE LATER, I ASSUME, AS IT'S
10:06:22 COMING BACK SINCE IT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
10:06:26 LET'S DEAL WITH THAT AND WHERE WILL WITH THAT ESPECIALLY AS
10:06:29 RELATED TO THE CRA DOWN THE ROAD.
10:06:31 >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH, AGAIN, I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE
10:06:33 POSITION.
10:06:34 WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LEGAL AND THE POLICY MEETS
10:06:37 TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST OUTCOME.
10:06:39 I HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR THE PROCESS THAT THE BOARD CHAIR
10:06:43 MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THERE'S A NEED.
10:06:46 THE CAC VETS THAT.
10:06:47 BRINGS IT TO THE BOARD AND, OF COURSE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP
10:06:50 YOU FACILITATE THAT PROCESS.
10:06:52 WHEREVER THOSE BOUNDARIES CAN BE ENHANCED, HAPPY TO TAKE A
10:06:55 LOOK AT THEM.
10:06:57 >>JOE CITRO: CHIEF, I APOLOGIZE, CAN YOU HAVE THAT FOR US
10:07:01 BEFORE NEXT MEETING OR NEXT MEETING?
10:07:03 >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH.
10:07:04 I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK WE COULD
10:07:06 FIGURE THAT OUT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
10:07:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:07:10 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD ADD, AS COUNCILMAN
10:07:14 GUDES AND I DISCUSSED YESTERDAY, CONTRACTING AND PURCHASING
10:07:17 IS REGULATED NOT JUST BY CITY PROCESSES BUT BY STATE
10:07:21 STATUTE.
10:07:22 I REALIZE WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN OUTSIDE THE PARAMETERS OF
10:07:26 JUST THE CRA BUT INTO CITY PURCHASING AS WELL, SO IT'S A
10:07:33 BIGGER ISSUE THAN WE CAN ADDRESS SIMPLY TODAY.
10:07:36 SO IT MAY BE A LARGER CONVERSATION WITH THE PURCHASING
10:07:40 DEPARTMENT, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION, SO ON AND SO FORTH, AS
10:07:44 TO HOW THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE AND WHEN THE COUNCIL CAN BE
10:07:47 INVOLVED AND WHEN THEY CANNOT BE.
10:07:49 SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CAUTION.
10:07:51 >>JOE CITRO: AGAIN, WE CAN BE BRIEFED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
10:07:54 >>JOHN BENNETT: CERTAINLY.
10:07:55 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:07:55 ANY QUESTIONS FOR ED?
10:08:03 THANK YOU.
10:08:05 >>ED JOHNSON: THANK YOU.
10:08:09 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:08:10 MALCOLM KINER, DREW PARK AND WEST TAMPA CRA MANAGER.
10:08:14 I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE.
10:08:17 STARTING WITH DREW PARK, WE ARE PREPARING TO BEGIN
10:08:20 CONSTRUCTION ON THE TAMPA BAY LINEAR PARK PROJECT.
10:08:23 THAT PROJECT IS BETWEEN AIR CARGO ROAD AND LOIS AVENUE.
10:08:27 THE NOTICE TO PROCEED WAS ISSUED TO McKENZIE CONTRACTING
10:08:31 ON THIS PAST MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9th.
10:08:33 CONSTRUCTION IS EXPECTED TO LAST 200 DAYS.
10:08:36 THE COMPLETION DATE WILL BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE END OF
10:08:39 MARCH.
10:08:40 OUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, WE ARE CURRENTLY PREPARING TO
10:08:43 UPDATE THE SAP.
10:08:46 WE'RE WORKING WITH CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW ON
10:08:48 SOLICITING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FIRM TO UPDATE THE PLAN.
10:08:53 THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO THIS BODY FOR APPROVAL IN THE
10:08:55 NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
10:08:56 THE DREW PARK COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT PROGRAM IS ACTIVE AND
10:09:01 ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS.
10:09:02 I BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE AN APPLICANT ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
10:09:05 LASTLY, FOR ANYONE WATCHING FROM HOME, THE DREW PARK CAC
10:09:11 DOES HAVE FIVE OPENINGS.
10:09:13 IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THE COMMUNITY,
10:09:16 IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, WHETHER IT BE BUSINESS, WORK, PLAY,
10:09:19 OR JUST WANT TO GET INVOLVED, PLEASE CONTACT CRA STAFF.
10:09:25 LASTLY, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, HILLSBOROUGH COMMUNITY
10:09:27 COLLEGE DALE MABRY CAMPUS IS CELEBRATING THE OFFICIAL
10:09:32 OPENING OF THEIR $23 MILLION PATEL ALLIED HEALTH BUILDING.
10:09:37 THE RIBBON CUTTING FOR THAT EVENT WILL BE AT 10 A.M. ON
10:09:41 FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 20th.
10:09:42 THAT CONCLUDES MY DREW PARK UPDATE, IF YOU HAVE ANY
10:09:46 QUESTIONS.
10:09:46 >>JOE CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CONNER?
10:09:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW ARE YOUR QUORUMS GOING?
10:09:54 >> FAR AND IN BETWEEN.
10:09:55 THERE ARE 11 TOTAL POSITIONS.
10:09:59 FIVE VACANCIES.
10:10:00 WE HAVE SIX ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS.
10:10:02 ALL SIX DON'T MAKE IT EVERY MONTH.
10:10:06 SO WE DO NEED APPLICANTS.
10:10:12 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:10:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MALCOLM, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE
10:10:19 REDUCED THE NUMBER FROM 11 DOWN TO 7 OR SOMETHING SO YOU
10:10:25 COULD MAKE A QUORUM?
10:10:27 I DON'T RECALL IF -- I THINK THAT'S OUR POLICY FOR EACH
10:10:32 INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT AS COMPARED TO -- IT WOULD BE HARD TO
10:10:37 CHANGE THE POLICY IF YOU CAN'T GET A QUORUM OUT THERE, IF
10:10:40 THEY WERE TO CHANGE THE POLICY.
10:10:42 I'M NOT SURE.
10:10:42 I THINK THAT MIGHT BE OUR POLICY.
10:10:44 >> I'LL YIELD TO LEGAL.
10:10:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: -- FROM SAL IN THE CORNER.
10:10:50 SO THAT'S GOOD.
10:10:51 THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO COME BACK TO US NEXT
10:10:53 MONTH TO REVISIT TO HELP YOUR QUORUM.
10:10:58 >> YEAH, I DO THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA.
10:11:00 IN MY OPINION, AFTER THE LARGE ROAD WORK PROJECT WAS
10:11:07 COMPLETE ON LOIS AND GRADY, IT KIND OF HELPED WITH THE
10:11:11 ISSUES OF FLOODING AND BEAUTIFYING THE COMMUNITY.
10:11:14 I'M HOPEFUL THAT WHEN WE BEGIN THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLANNING
10:11:18 PROCESS AND WE GET BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE MAY FIND
10:11:20 SOME FOLKS INTERESTED.
10:11:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE A VICTIM OF YOUR OWN SUCCESS.
10:11:23 ANYWAY, THINK ABOUT IT, AND IF YOU WANT, COME BACK TO US.
10:11:28 >> THANK YOU.
10:11:28 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
10:11:29 COMMENTS?
10:11:30 MALCOLM.
10:11:32 >> SO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE WEST TAMPA CRA UPDATE, THE
10:11:36 WEST TAMPA CAC IS ACTIVELY WORKING IN OUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
10:11:43 WE'RE PREPARING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BODY FOR FUTURE
10:11:45 PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS.
10:11:46 THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE SPECIAL EVENTS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
10:11:50 INFRASTRUCTURE, AND HOUSING.
10:11:52 THE WEST TAMPA CRA COMMERCIAL FACADE PROGRAM IS ACTIVE.
10:11:57 WE ARE TAKING APPLICATIONS.
10:11:58 WE ARE CURRENTLY PREPARING FOR OUR SECOND ANNUAL UNITY TAMPA
10:12:04 HISTORICAL CULTURAL FESTIVAL WHICH WILL BE HELD ON SUNDAY,
10:12:07 SEPTEMBER 29th, FROM 1 P.M. TO 5 P.M. AT JULIAN B. LANE
10:12:11 RIVERFRONT PARK.
10:12:12 THIS EVENT WILL INCLUDE FOOD TRUCKS, VENDORS, AND WE ALSO
10:12:17 PLAN TO RECOGNIZE MS. RUTH McNAIR AND DR. WALTER L. SMITH
10:12:22 DURING THIS FESTIVAL.
10:12:24 ANOTHER COMMUNITY EVENT THAT WE'RE HOSTING ON THURSDAY,
10:12:28 OCTOBER 17th, AT 6 P.M., WE'RE HOSTING A WORKSHOP AT THE
10:12:32 RIVER CENTER AT JULIAN B. LANE PARK.
10:12:35 THIS WILL BE ON HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.
10:12:37 THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER, MR. BOB
10:12:40 HENRIQUEZ, WILL LEAD THAT DISCUSSION FOR US.
10:12:43 THIS WILL BE FROM 6 TO 7 P.M. AT THE RIVER CENTER.
10:12:45 THE PRIVATE SECTOR, NOT CRA FUNDING, THE TAMPA HOUSING
10:12:52 AUTHORITY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE RENAISSANCE AT WEST
10:12:56 RIVER.
10:12:57 THAT PROJECT IS ON THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND ROME
10:13:00 AVENUE.
10:13:01 THEY ALSO BEGAN REHABILITATING THE MARY McLEOD BETHUNE
10:13:06 HIGH-RISE PROJECT AND RECEIVED FINANCING FOR A THIRD PROJECT
10:13:09 THAT WILL BE ON THE CORNER OF OREGON AND MAIN STREET.
10:13:12 ANYONE THAT HAS BEEN ON CASS LATELY, THE CITY STORMWATER
10:13:17 DEPARTMENT HAS BEGAN WORK ON THE CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL
10:13:19 PROJECT.
10:13:20 THAT'S BEGINNING AT THE CORNER OF CASS AND NORTH BOULEVARD.
10:13:22 LASTLY, JUST FOR INFORMATION, OUR CAC MEETINGS ARE HELD ON
10:13:28 THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 5:30 P.M. AT THE WEST
10:13:31 TAMPA PUBLIC LIBRARY.
10:13:34 >>JOE CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. KINER?
10:13:36 THANK YOU.
10:13:40 >> THANK YOU.
10:14:04 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT CONCLUDES THE REPORTS.
10:14:07 AS I HEARD ELOQUENTLY THROUGHOUT THE REPORTS, STYLISTICALLY,
10:14:12 I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CHANGING THE STRUCTURE, GETTING IT
10:14:14 MORE STANDARDIZED AS WE GO FORWARD.
10:14:16 I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT UP A LITTLE BIT
10:14:19 TODAY.
10:14:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:14:30 [INAUDIBLE] [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:14:40 -- BEFORE WE GET TO THIS SORT OF PROCESS, FUTURE DISCUSSION
10:14:48 THAT IS ITEM 3.
10:14:50 SO THAT WOULD BE MY FRIENDLY SUGGESTION.
10:14:53 JUST ACTUALLY WELL INTENDED.
10:14:58 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THERE WAS A MOTION MADE
10:15:01 AND SECONDED AND APPROVED EARLIER THAT WE COMBINE 3 WITH 10,
10:15:04 AND THAT WILL BE HEARD WITH 10.
10:15:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT THE END.
10:15:07 THANK YOU.
10:15:07 SORRY I MISSED IT.
10:15:13 >>JOHN BENNETT: NEXT ON YOUR AGENDA IS ITEM 4.
10:15:16 YOUR QUARTERLY TIF FINANCIAL REPORT.
10:15:21 >>JOE CITRO: I'M SORRY.
10:15:22 WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENTS FIRST.
10:15:24 ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THE CRA BOARD WILL HAVE THREE
10:15:33 MINUTES TO DO SO IN PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS.
10:15:58 >> THANK GOD FOR ANOTHER DAY'S JOURNEY.
10:16:01 I'M GOING TO READ SOME SCRIPTURE TO YOU ALL FROM THE BOOK OF
10:16:04 ST. JOHN, FIRST CHAPTER.
10:16:08 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND
10:16:10 THE WORD WAS GOD.
10:16:11 THE SAME WITH THE BEGINNING WITH GOD.
10:16:14 ALL THINGS WAS MADE BY HIM.
10:16:17 AND ABOUT HIM -- AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING THAT WAS
10:16:20 MADE THAT WAS MADE.
10:16:21 IN HIM WAS LIFE AND THE LIFE OF THE LIGHT OF MEN.
10:16:26 THE LIGHT SHINE IN DARKNESS AND DARKNESS COMPREHEND IT NOT.
10:16:29 THERE WAS A MAN SENT FROM GOD WHOSE NAME WAS JOHN.
10:16:34 THE SAME CAME FOR WITNESS TO BEAR WITNESS OF THE LIFE AND
10:16:39 ALL MEN THROUGH HIM MIGHT BELIEVE.
10:16:41 HE WAS NOT THE LIGHT, BUT WAS SENT TO BEAR WITNESS OF THE
10:16:46 LIGHT.
10:16:47 THAT WAS THE LIGHT, LIGHTED EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE
10:16:51 WORLD.
10:16:52 I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER, BUT I KNOW YOU ONLY
10:16:56 GIVE ME --
10:16:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOR THE RECORD, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND
10:16:58 ADDRESS.
10:16:59 I'M ALWAYS PLEASED WHEN YOU WANT TO READ OUT OF THE BOOK OF
10:17:02 JOHN.
10:17:03 SO THANK YOU.
10:17:03 >> SAY THAT AGAIN.
10:17:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SAID I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE BOOK OF JOHN.
10:17:08 >> OKAY.
10:17:08 AS LONG AS YOU ACCEPT IT, THAT'S GOOD WITH ME.
10:17:10 LAST WEEK, YOU ALL HAD A MEETING ON INCREASING THE WATER.
10:17:15 THAT FILTHY WATER THAT COME OUT OF THEM FAUCETS, THEY OUGHT
10:17:20 TO BE GIVING US A REBATE.
10:17:21 YET YOU ALL INCREASE IT.
10:17:22 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY YOU ALL HAD A SECRET MEETING.
10:17:25 WHY YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC COME HERE SO WE CAN SEE WHO IS
10:17:28 VOTING FOR IT AND WHO IS VOTING IT DOWN.
10:17:30 SINCE THE MAYOR BEEN IN THERE, THINGS BEEN GOING BACKWARDS
10:17:38 INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARDS.
10:17:40 THEM RED LIGHTS, THEY AIN'T NOTHING BUT A MONEY THIEF.
10:17:45 TAKING MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE, RED LIGHT ME THREE TIMES.
10:17:49 AND I AIN'T NEVER RAN NO RED LIGHT.
10:17:51 SO THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED.
10:17:55 WE DON'T KNOW WHO WE CAN GET TO INVESTIGATE YOU ALL BECAUSE
10:17:58 THE IDEA, GET THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT, THEY ALL WHITE
10:18:02 FOLKS, THEY AIN'T GOING TO SAY NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT YOU
10:18:06 ALL.
10:18:06 BUT I DON'T COME HERE BEGGING FOR NO MONEY.
10:18:09 I COME HERE FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL PEOPLE.
10:18:12 OTHERWISE, I COULD BE HOME LOOKING AT TV RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M
10:18:16 TRYING TO STAND UP FOR PEOPLE NOT ABLE TO STAND UP FOR
10:18:22 THEMSELVES.
10:18:23 I DON'T COME HERE TO READ THE SCRIPTURE TO -- I COME HERE TO
10:18:27 READ THE SCRIPTURE BECAUSE IT'S THE TRUTH.
10:18:29 I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THE TRUTH.
10:18:31 AND THE TRUTH HAS SET ME FREE.
10:18:32 I THANK GOD THAT I BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THE ONE WHO DIED
10:18:36 ON THE CROSS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE A RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE.
10:18:40 I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE CITY COUNCIL THIS HERE, INSTEAD OF
10:18:42 GIVING US THOSE THREE SECONDS, WHY DON'T YOU ALL GIVE US
10:18:45 FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF SO ONE DAY MAYBE I CAN
10:18:50 COME HERE AND PREACH THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO YOU ALL.
10:18:52 I THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS LITTLE TIME AND PRAY TO GOD YOU ALL
10:18:57 BLESS.
10:18:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE
10:19:00 RECORD.
10:19:02 >> PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS, LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET.
10:19:05 BEEN THERE OVER 30 YEARS AND THEY TREAT ME LIKE AN ANIMAL.
10:19:11 WORSE THAN A DOG.
10:19:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOR THE RECORD, THIS BODY DOES NOT HOLD
10:19:14 ANY SECRET MEETINGS.
10:19:15 WE NEVER HAVE AND WE NEVER WILL.
10:19:17 THANK YOU.
10:19:19 >> THE ONE THAT CONTROL THE DISTRICT, I CAN'T TALK WITH THEM
10:19:22 AND THE COUNCIL.
10:19:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. WILLIAMS --
10:19:28 >>JOE CITRO: MR. WILLIAMS.
10:19:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. WILLIAMS, YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT YOU
10:19:32 CAN'T GET HOLD OF DISTRICT PERSON.
10:19:34 IF YOU REMEMBER, I CAME TO YOUR PLACE, PARADISE TWO DAYS AGO
10:19:38 BECAUSE YOU HAD A SITUATION THAT --
10:19:41 >> RIGHT.
10:19:42 I LEFT A MESSAGE ON YOUR PHONE.
10:19:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID TRY TO REACH OUT.
10:19:47 I WENT BY AND WAITED.
10:19:49 >> I LEFT A MESSAGE ON YOUR PHONE AND PRAY TO GOD WE MEET
10:19:53 SOME OTHER TIME, NOT BY YOURSELF BUT THE CITY COUNCIL AND
10:19:56 ALL THAT WILL COME.
10:20:02 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:20:03 MS. YOUNG.
10:20:07 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:20:08 TINA YOUNG, 503 EAST JACKSON.
10:20:10 I AM THE SPECIAL EVENTS CHAIR FOR THE WEST TAMPA CRA.
10:20:16 LIKE OUR CRA MANAGER INFORMED YOU THAT THE WEST TAMPA CRA
10:20:24 UNITY HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL FESTIVAL IS SCHEDULED FOR
10:20:29 SUNDAY THE 29th AT JULIAN B. LANE PARK.
10:20:32 I WANT TO INVITE YOU ALL TO COME OUT, PLEASE.
10:20:34 IT'S FROM 1 TO 5.
10:20:35 THIS IS OUR SECOND YEAR, AND THIS BOARD HAS GRACIOUSLY
10:20:42 GRANTED US A BUDGET OF $10,000.
10:20:44 AND THE REASON THAT I'M BEFORE YOU TODAY IS BECAUSE THE CRA
10:20:50 COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THIS EVENT THIS YEAR.
10:20:56 WE ARE WORKING WITH TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND WE WOULD
10:21:00 LIKE TO GROW THIS EVENT IN SIZE AND IN OFFERINGS AND
10:21:03 ACTIVITIES AND SO FORTH WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH TAMPA
10:21:09 HOUSING AUTHORITY IN ESSENCE OF ALLOWING THEM TO PAY FOR
10:21:16 EXPENSES THAT WE CANNOT PAY FOR BECAUSE WE ARE
10:21:21 SELF-PROMOTING AND ORGANIZING THIS EVENT.
10:21:24 AND WE CANNOT PAY FOR ANYTHING.
10:21:26 SO WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR PERMISSION THAT WE WORK WITH TAMPA
10:21:32 HOUSING AUTHORITY.
10:21:33 THEY ARE ALREADY COSPONSORING THIS EVENT WITH OTHER EXPENSES
10:21:37 AND ACTIVITIES, BUT WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO WE ARE ALLOWED
10:21:41 TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THIS EVENT.
10:21:47 >>JOE CITRO: MS. YOUNG -- I'M SORRY.
10:21:50 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
10:21:51 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:21:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR COMING, MS. YOUNG.
10:21:57 I KNOW THE FESTIVAL IS GOING TO BE GREAT.
10:22:01 IS MALCOLM STILL HERE?
10:22:02 CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE, GIVE A LITTLE CLARITY
10:22:14 WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE SO I CAN GET A GOOD
10:22:17 UNDERSTANDING?
10:22:17 >> YES, SIR.
10:22:18 I KNOW WE'RE A BIT AT THE NINTH HOUR, BUT AS TINA SAID, SHE
10:22:21 IS THE CHAIR OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE AND HAS BEEN ACTIVELY
10:22:24 PLANNING THIS EVENT.
10:22:25 THE WEST TAMPA CAC LAST YEAR DECIDED TO HOST THEIR OWN
10:22:30 COMMUNITY FESTIVAL.
10:22:33 IN TYPICAL FASHION WITH CRAs AND SAL CAN HELP ME WITH THIS
10:22:37 IF I'M NOT SAYING IT CORRECTLY.
10:22:38 IN TYPICAL FASHION, THE CRAs COSPONSOR, NONPROFITS, OR
10:22:44 PRIVATE ENTITIES IN TERMS OF SPECIAL EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE
10:22:48 WITHIN THEIR RESPECTIVE CRA.
10:22:50 BUT THE CAC WAS DEAD SET ON WE WANT TO DO THIS.
10:22:53 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT OUR FINGERPRINTS ALL OVER THIS
10:22:57 FESTIVAL AND IT FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH OUR VISION.
10:23:00 NOW, THE DOWNSIDE OF DOING THAT IS THAT THEN FALLS ON MYSELF
10:23:06 AS CRA CITY STAFF IN TERMS OF PROCURING SERVICES.
10:23:11 SO THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN THINGS THAT I CANNOT PURCHASE
10:23:14 BASED ON OUR PROCUREMENT POLICY.
10:23:16 SO WHAT TINA IS ASKING YOU FOR IS THAT WE WORK WITH THE
10:23:21 HOUSING AUTHORITY WHO HAS AGREED TO SPONSOR SOME OF THOSE
10:23:24 THINGS THAT MAKE A FESTIVAL SPECIAL, LIKE A BOUNCE HOUSE, A
10:23:31 TRAIN --
10:23:32 >> RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES.
10:23:34 >> LAWN GAMES.
10:23:35 THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
10:23:36 UP TO $3,000.
10:23:38 AND THEN IN WORKING WITH THEM, THEY WOULD COVER A CERTAIN
10:23:41 AMOUNT IN TERMS OF THEIR OWN SPONSORSHIP BUT ANYTHING ABOVE
10:23:44 AND BEYOND, WE WOULD THEN REIMBURSE THEM FOR.
10:23:46 UP TO $3,000.
10:23:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LOOKING FOR MOTIONS NOW, AT THE END --
10:23:56 >> MAY I ALSO ADD -- I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN -- AS TINA
10:23:59 DISCUSSED, PREVIOUS COUNCIL DID APPROVE A $10,000 BUDGET FOR
10:24:03 THIS EVENT.
10:24:03 AND TO DATE, OF EXPENSES WE HAVE ABOUT 4700 IN EXPENSES.
10:24:08 WE'RE STILL UNDER BUDGET FOR THE EVENT IF WE WORK WITH THE
10:24:11 HOUSING AUTHORITY.
10:24:12 >>JOE CITRO: IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES,
10:24:16 AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOTION MADE
10:24:18 AND POSSIBLY SECONDED SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THINGS AND KEEP
10:24:21 THINGS MOVING.
10:24:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT THE -- WORK
10:24:26 WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN ALLOCATING THE FUNDS IN
10:24:28 REFERENCE TO THE EVENT TO BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 29th.
10:24:31 >>JOE CITRO: COMMENTS?
10:24:33 DISCUSSION?
10:24:34 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:24:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
10:24:37 I'M LOOKING AT THE WEST TAMPA CRA BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR,
10:24:44 2019, AND THERE IS A MARKETING AND PROMOTION BUDGET, IT'S
10:24:47 SHOWING A BALANCE FORWARD OF $39,000.
10:24:50 >> CORRECT.
10:24:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THEN NEXT YEAR, UNDER ITEM 5,
10:24:55 SIMILARLY, I THINK THERE'S A MARKETING AND PROMOTION BUDGET
10:24:57 OF $20,000 BEING PROPOSED.
10:24:59 SO IT APPEARS THAT YOU ALL HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT.
10:25:05 >> CORRECT, YES, SIR.
10:25:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU JUST NEED TO ALLOCATE IT.
10:25:07 >> I NEED TO ALLOCATE IT.
10:25:09 IN ORDER FOR US TO, IN FULL TRANSPARENCY AND ACTUALLY WORK
10:25:12 WITH THEM, WE JUST FELT APPROPRIATE WE COME TO THIS BODY,
10:25:16 GET IT ON THE RECORD AND THEN MOVE FORWARD.
10:25:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HAS THERE BEEN A CAC VOTE IN SUPPORT OF
10:25:21 THIS ALREADY?
10:25:22 >> YES.
10:25:22 AT THE LAST CAC MEETING, AT THE END OF LAST MONTH, WE JUST,
10:25:26 TO REAFFIRM EVERYTHING, WE HAD THE BOARD MAKE A VOTE TO
10:25:30 APPROVE THAT $10,000 AGAIN TO WORK TOWARDS THE FESTIVAL.
10:25:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THAT'S THE MOTION IS THE 10,000.
10:25:37 UP TO 10,000.
10:25:40 >> UP TO 3,000 FOR THIS, BUT WE HAVE THAT WITHIN THAT
10:25:42 10,000.
10:25:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR TEN.
10:25:47 THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNLESS WE --
10:25:53 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
10:25:54 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:25:56 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST ASK FROM A PROCESS POINT OF VIEW,
10:25:59 AND THIS GETS TO THE LARGER DISCUSSION LATER.
10:26:02 HOW COME THIS WASN'T PUT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA?
10:26:06 WHY ISN'T IT A BUDGET AGENDA ITEM WE WOULD APPROVE?
10:26:09 >> BECAUSE WE'RE COMING TO YOU IN THE NINTH HOUR AND WE WERE
10:26:13 NOT PREPARED.
10:26:13 IN WORKING WITH MY SUBCOMMITTEE, I KEPT TELLING THEM NO,
10:26:18 KEPT TELLING THEM NO BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE COULD
10:26:21 ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD.
10:26:22 I SAID, WELL, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
10:26:24 COME, THIS IS OUR CRA, COME AND ASK.
10:26:29 >> MR. CARLSON, IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THE BUDGET.
10:26:32 IT'S ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH SOMEONE THAT'S
10:26:36 APPROVED BY THIS COMMITTEE OR BOARD THAT WE CAN PAY FOR
10:26:40 THINGS THAT MALCOLM IS NOT ABLE TO PAY FOR.
10:26:43 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M IN FAVOR OF WHAT
10:26:46 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE
10:26:47 PROCESSES WE CAN USE GOING FORWARD.
10:26:49 YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL YOUR TIME COMING UP HERE.
10:26:52 >> I APOLOGIZE.
10:26:53 IN MOVING FORWARD, I'M HOPEFUL IN WORKING WITH TINA AND THE
10:26:56 CAC THAT WE WILL LOOK INTO PARTNERING WITH AN ORGANIZATION
10:27:00 OR ANOTHER ENTITY NEXT YEAR.
10:27:02 SO WE CAN COME TO YOU, ASK YOU FOR WHATEVER THAT BUDGET
10:27:05 REQUEST IS AND MOVE FORWARD.
10:27:06 AND WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS ISSUE.
10:27:08 >>JOE CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:27:10 WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:27:12 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:27:14 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:27:17 MAY I ASK THAT THE MOTION BE FORMALLY STATED IN ITS ENTIRETY
10:27:22 FOR THE RECORD, AND WHO WAS THE SECOND?
10:27:23 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:27:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT THE ALLOCATED FUNDS THAT ALREADY BEEN
10:27:29 ALLOCATED FOR THE EVENT CAN BE PARTNERED WITH THE TAMPA
10:27:33 HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR THE SPONSORSHIP UP TO THE $3,000 OR
10:27:37 WHATEVER THAT MARKER IS THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE ALLOCATED FOR
10:27:40 $10,000.
10:27:42 >> CORRECT.
10:27:42 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU STILL SECONDING
10:27:45 THAT?
10:27:46 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:27:47 ALL OPPOSED?
10:27:52 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:27:54 THANK YOU.
10:28:10 >> NATASHA GOODLEY, 2705 EAST 24th AVENUE.
10:28:14 I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY
10:28:18 REVITALIZATION PARTNERSHIPS, CAC.
10:28:21 WE JUST MET THIS PAST TUESDAY, AND THE BOARD ASKED ME TO
10:28:26 COME FORWARD TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING UP THE CHARGE TO BUILD
10:28:30 A COMMUNITY CENTER, A CULTURAL ENRICHMENT CENTER AT AL
10:28:33 BARNES PARK.
10:28:34 AND ON BEHALF OF THE ETCRP CAC WE SUPPORT FUNDING THIS
10:28:39 PROJECT, BUT WE HOPE YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL FUNDS FROM OTHER
10:28:42 SOURCES THAT LIMITS THE IMPACT FOR THE CRA, BUT WE ARE IN
10:28:45 FULL SUPPORT OF FUNDING WHAT WE NEED TO.
10:28:49 THANK YOU.
10:28:51 >>JOE CITRO: MS. GOODLEY, IF I MAY ASK, WOULD YOU PREFER,
10:29:01 WOULD THE COMMUNITY PREFER THAT WE ACTUALLY ASK THIS TO GO
10:29:05 THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS OF HAVING COMMITTEE REPORTS --
10:29:10 EXCUSE ME, ASKING THE COMMUNITY, GIVING THE COMMITTEE
10:29:15 REPORTS, SENDING IT TO THE BOARD AND THEN BRINGING US THE
10:29:19 REQUEST?
10:29:21 I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY IS THERE.
10:29:22 I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONEY HAS BEEN ALLOCATED.
10:29:25 WOULD YOU PREFER GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND COMING BACK
10:29:28 AND REQUESTING THESE MONIES BE SPENT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS
10:29:32 COMMUNITY CENTER?
10:29:35 >> I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY.
10:29:37 ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL PORTION?
10:29:39 >>JOE CITRO: YES, MA'AM.
10:29:39 >> WOULD YOU RATHER WE TELL YOU HOW MUCH WE WANT TO GIVE?
10:29:43 >>JOE CITRO: NO.
10:29:43 >> OKAY.
10:29:44 PLEASE EXPLAIN IT AGAIN.
10:29:45 >>JOE CITRO: OKAY.
10:29:46 A REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES THAT THERE BE A
10:29:52 COMMUNITY CENTER BUILT IN EAST TAMPA, WHICH $1 MILLION
10:29:58 COMING FROM THE CITY, $1 MILLION COMING FROM THE CRA.
10:30:01 CORRECT?
10:30:05 >> CORRECT.
10:30:06 >>JOE CITRO: WHICH I SECONDED THAT MOTION.
10:30:07 I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THAT MOTION.
10:30:10 HOWEVER, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THINGS
10:30:16 ABOVEBOARD, TRANSPARENCY, AND CLARITY IN THAT.
10:30:21 NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE COMMUNITY SPEAK ON THIS,
10:30:26 THEN GO TO COMMITTEE, THEN GO TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD
10:30:29 COMING BACK AND ASKING THE CRA BOARD OR SAYING THAT, YES,
10:30:34 THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET.
10:30:39 ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THAT?
10:30:40 WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO BE DONE AS TRANSPARENCY?
10:30:43 >> JUST HAVING MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC TO STATE THAT THAT'S
10:30:47 WHAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE
10:30:51 AND THE FUNDING?
10:30:52 >>JOE CITRO: YES.
10:30:53 >> WE COULD DO THAT.
10:30:57 >>JOE CITRO: BOARD, IS THAT AGREEABLE TO EVERYONE ON THIS
10:30:59 BOARD?
10:31:00 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:31:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. JOHNSON, ED?
10:31:08 ED, WHEN I LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S RECAP AND I'M ON WHAT PAGE,
10:31:20 THE PAGES AREN'T NUMBERED.
10:31:21 EAST TAMPA CRA BUDGET UNDER TAB 4, AND THIS IS FOR LAST
10:31:29 YEAR'S BUDGET.
10:31:31 KIND OF THE RECAP OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT THE CARRYOVER
10:31:35 WAS, WHAT THE BALANCE IS.
10:31:36 I ASSUME YOU PREPARED THIS OR WORKED WITH THE ACCOUNTING TO
10:31:41 PREPARE IT.
10:31:42 UNDER NEIGHBORHOOD INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, IT SAYS
10:31:44 INSTALL IMPROVED NEIGHBORHOOD INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING
10:31:47 SIDEWALKS AND STREETLIGHTS, $2.537 MILLION.
10:31:51 $2.5 MILLION AS A BALANCE OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD
10:31:56 INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT FUNDS.
10:31:57 CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT $2.5 MILLION?
10:32:01 IS IT WHOLLY ALLOCATED OR IS IT ACTUALLY BEING CARRIED OVER?
10:32:07 >>ED JOHNSON: THAT IS A CARRYOVER THAT THE ADVISORY
10:32:10 COMMITTEES IN THE PAST HAVE AGREED THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
10:32:14 INFRASTRUCTURE LINE ITEM WOULD BE OUR CARRYOVER, AND THAT
10:32:17 WOULD BE WHERE WE REST REMAINING DOLLARS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
10:32:22 FORMALLY ALLOCATED TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT YET, BECAUSE AS YOU
10:32:27 KNOW, ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ARE MULTIYEAR
10:32:32 PROJECTS.
10:32:32 THEY DON'T JUST HAPPEN IN ONE FISCAL YEAR.
10:32:36 THEY USUALLY CARRY OVER FISCAL YEARS.
10:32:41 NEIGHBORHOOD INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
10:32:44 USING THE DOLLARS FOR IN THE CRA.
10:32:45 WE CREATED THAT LINE ITEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE CATCH ALL.
10:32:51 ALL RESOURCES ARE PLACED IN NEIGHBORHOOD INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:32:53 AND THEN AS PROJECTS ARE DEVELOP THE BY THE ADVISORY
10:32:55 COMMITTEE OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR OR THE NEXT YEAR,
10:32:58 THAT'S WHERE THOSE DOLLARS COME FROM.
10:33:00 SO IF A PROJECT ALL OF A SUDDEN BEAMS UP FOR BUILDING A
10:33:08 RECREATION CENTER IN AL BARNES PARK, IF THE REQUEST IS MADE
10:33:14 AS TO WHAT THAT LINE ITEM DOLLAR AMOUNT SHOULD BE, IT THEN
10:33:17 WOULD GO THROUGH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE PROCESS.
10:33:19 THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD AGREE OR DISAGREE.
10:33:22 THEY AGREE TO FUND IT, THE FUNDS THEN WOULD COME FROM THAT
10:33:25 NEIGHBORHOOD INFRASTRUCTURE LINE ITEM, AND THEN FINANCE
10:33:29 WOULD THEN CREATE A SUBCATEGORY OF THAT FOR THAT SPECIFIC
10:33:33 DOLLAR AMOUNT.
10:33:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BOTTOM LINE IS $2.5 MILLION IS THERE, AND
10:33:37 IT'S NOT ENCUMBERED.
10:33:39 >>ED JOHNSON: THAT'S CORRECT.
10:33:40 AT THIS TIME.
10:33:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME JUST ASK MS. GOODLEY, YOU GUYS MET
10:33:50 THIS WEEK.
10:33:51 >> YES.
10:33:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU DISCUSS THE REC CENTER ISSUE?
10:33:53 >> YES.
10:33:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAS THERE A VOTE OR A DISCUSSION, OR ANY
10:33:56 FORMAL ACTION DONE BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE?
10:34:00 >> YES.
10:34:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT WAS THAT?
10:34:02 >> WELL, WE VOTED IN SUPPORT OF IT, THAT WE WOULD HELP FUND
10:34:06 IT, AND FOR ME TO COME FORWARD AND JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WE
10:34:09 ARE IN SUPPORT OF FUNDING IT.
10:34:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MILLION DOLLARS.
10:34:12 >> OR LESS, IF YOU CAN FIND MONEY FROM ELSEWHERE.
10:34:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN OTHER WORDS, IF THIS BODY SAID UP TO A
10:34:22 MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THE CRA, OUT OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA
10:34:26 DISTRICT, OUT OF THAT $2.5 MILLION, THEN AS FAR AS YOUR
10:34:28 SUBCOMMITTEE IS CONCERNED, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
10:34:32 >> YES.
10:34:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:34:38 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:34:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE GOOD
10:34:45 DIALOGUE.
10:34:45 I ALWAYS APPRECIATE TRANSPARENCY.
10:34:49 BUT I DON'T LIKE ROADBLOCKS.
10:34:53 I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THE NEED.
10:34:57 THE COMMUNITY HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THIS BOARD OUT ON
10:35:02 THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WHAT THE NEEDS AND DESIRES WERE.
10:35:05 SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE REHASHING OR TALKING ABOUT
10:35:08 TRANSPARENCY WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS
10:35:10 ALREADY SAID.
10:35:12 WE HAVE OVER 300 SENIORS WHO HAVE TOLD US, YOU MET WITH,
10:35:18 YOU'VE MET WITH, YOU'VE MET, SAID WHAT THEY WANTED.
10:35:22 SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CULTURAL ENRICHMENT CENTER THAT
10:35:26 WILL HOUSE OUR SENIORS TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND THEN
10:35:31 YOU HAVE A SECTION THAT WILL HOUSE OUR YOUTH SO THEY DON'T
10:35:33 HAVE TO BE OUT IN THE HOT HEAT OR IN THE DARK DOING STEP OUT
10:35:37 IN THE PARKING LOTS AT THE NFL YET CENTER, AT CYRUS GREENE,
10:35:42 THEY CAN GO SOMEPLACE WHERE THEY CAN DO BALLET, DANCE,
10:35:45 GYMNASTICS, SCHOLARSHIP, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO TO FURTHER
10:35:48 THEIR CAREERS.
10:35:48 AGAIN, I THANK MS. GOODLEY FOR COMING HERE AND THE CAC FOR
10:35:56 COMING.
10:35:56 I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THIS PROCESS AND START
10:36:01 LOOKING AT SOME DESIGNS.
10:36:03 START LOOKING AT -- MY OFFICE ALREADY CALLED MR. BRAD SUDER
10:36:08 TO SET UP A MEETING WITH HIM IN REFERENCE TO HOW THIS THING
10:36:12 COULD COME TO FRUITION.
10:36:14 [CELL PHONE BUZZING]
10:36:16 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT POINT AND I THINK WE NEED
10:36:19 TO MOVE ON.
10:36:20 >>JOE CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
10:36:21 I WILL FINISH WITH THIS, MR. GUDES, YOU KNOW I SECONDED YOUR
10:36:25 MOTION.
10:36:26 I WANT TO SEE THIS BUILT.
10:36:27 YES, I'VE HEARD WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY.
10:36:30 THIS IS NOT A COMPARISON.
10:36:31 HOWEVER, THE COMMUNITY VOTED FOR THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION
10:36:35 TAX.
10:36:35 ONE OR TWO PEOPLE HAVE REARED THEIR HEADS SAYING, NO, WE
10:36:39 DON'T WANT TO AND NOW IT'S IN THE SUPREME COURT.
10:36:42 WE HAVE HEARD WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO SAY, BUT WE DIDN'T
10:36:47 HEAR FROM THE FULL BOARD.
10:36:48 I AM JUST WANTING TO GO -- HAVE IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS SO
10:36:55 THAT EVERYBODY INVOLVED GETS A CLEAR PICTURE OF NOT ONLY
10:36:58 WHETHER A THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS, BUT
10:37:00 WHAT THE CAC WANTS AND THEN BRING IT BEFORE US.
10:37:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK IT WENT TO THE BOARD, CORRECT?
10:37:09 >>JOE CITRO: HAS THE BOARD RECOMMENDED?
10:37:12 HAS THE BOARD GIVEN THEIR BLESSINGS.
10:37:14 >> YES.
10:37:15 THAT'S WHY I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CAC.
10:37:18 >>JOE CITRO: IS IT IN WRITING?
10:37:19 >> YES.
10:37:20 IT'S IN THE MINUTES, THE MOTION WAS MADE.
10:37:23 >>JOE CITRO: IF IT'S ALL FACTUAL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
10:37:27 JUST AS LONG AS MS. GOODLEY IS SAYING YES IT'S GONE FROM
10:37:30 CITIZENS TO COMMITTEE, TO BOARD, AND THE BOARD VOTED ON IT
10:37:32 AND APPROVED IT.
10:37:36 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOLLOWING ON WHAT YOU SAID, IS IT
10:37:37 POSSIBLE TO GET A LETTER FROM -- SO IT'S NOT JUST IN THE
10:37:40 MINUTES, WOULD THAT HELP IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
10:37:43 >>JOE CITRO: IF IT'S IN THE MINUTES AND THE MINUTES HAVE
10:37:45 BEEN WRITTEN, ACCEPTED, AND APPROVED, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
10:37:48 LEGAL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT?
10:37:52 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO, I DO NOT.
10:37:53 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:37:54 >> SO THE MINUTES WERE FROM TUESDAY SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
10:37:57 APPROVED JUST YET.
10:37:58 THOSE CAN BE COMPILED AND SENT OVER.
10:38:03 THEY ARE APPROVED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
10:38:04 >>JOE CITRO: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEND US THOSE MINUTES THAT
10:38:07 HAVE BEEN APPROVED, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
10:38:09 JUST FOR TRANSPARENCY, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS
10:38:14 WHAT'S GOING ON, INCLUDING ME.
10:38:15 THANK YOU, MS. GOODLEY.
10:38:18 >> THANK YOU.
10:38:22 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:38:25 CAROL RANSOM, 3507 EAST GENESEE STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:38:29 SO IT IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.
10:38:33 I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
10:38:36 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I LIVE
10:38:39 IN DISTRICT 5, WE HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE.
10:38:41 NUMBER ONE, WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS,
10:38:45 SIDEWALKS, AND THESE ARE FROM THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE
10:38:48 SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOLS, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AS WELL AS OTHERS,
10:38:52 THE CHILDREN WALK HOME.
10:38:54 WE DON'T HAVE THE SIDEWALKS.
10:38:55 SO THOSE CARRYOVER DOLLARS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE WOULD
10:39:00 LIKE TO SEE THAT EXPEDITED BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF SAFETY.
10:39:03 WE ALSO ASK FOR CROSSING LIGHTS FROM THE PLAYGROUNDS.
10:39:08 WE HAVE LITTLE CHILDREN THAT'S RUNNING, DASHING ACROSS THE
10:39:11 STREET WHEN THEY THINK THERE'S NOT A CAR AND WE WOULD LIKE
10:39:15 TO HAVE CROSSWALKS THERE.
10:39:16 THE OTHER PARTICULAR THAT'S VERY CONCERNING IS THE
10:39:22 CONSTRUCTION OF THAT NEW PHARMACEUTICAL MARIJUANA
10:39:26 DISTRIBUTION HOUSEPLANT, WEED HOUSE, GROW HOUSE, WHATEVER IT
10:39:31 IS YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING IN MY COMMUNITY.
10:39:33 THAT IS VERY DISTURBING.
10:39:35 YOU HAVE 33 -- LESS THAN 33 FOOTSTEPS FROM THE EASTER SEALS,
10:39:41 WHERE WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT HAVE UNIQUE INABILITIES AND YOU
10:39:47 ALLOW CONSTRUCTION OF A DISTRIBUTION PLANT FOR MARIJUANA IN
10:39:51 MY COMMUNITY.
10:39:52 IT SEEMS TO BE UNETHICAL AND IMMORAL.
10:39:56 I DON'T KNOW WHO GOT THIS THROUGH PERMITTING OR WHAT DEAL
10:40:03 WAS MADE BEFORE OR AFTER YOU TOOK THE SEAT.
10:40:05 MORE THAN FOUR SCHOOLS IN THAT SIX-MILE RADIUS.
10:40:09 THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS THAT ARE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THAT
10:40:12 AREA.
10:40:12 THERE IS AN ELDERLY APARTMENT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET,
10:40:15 AND I THINK THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
10:40:18 THIS IS INDECENT FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:40:20 NOW, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU AGREED TO, JUST IN CASE, MAYBE
10:40:26 WE SHOULD PUT IT IN YOUR DISTRICT AND NOT IN MINE.
10:40:29 WE ARE ALL VOTERS HERE.
10:40:30 WE COME HERE BECAUSE, AND JUST LIKE THE PASTOR SAID, WE WANT
10:40:33 TO DO WHAT'S FAIR AND WHAT'S JUST.
10:40:35 WE PAY AN EQUAL SHARE OF TAXES IN DISTRICT FIVE, AND YET OUR
10:40:39 COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE 1986.
10:40:42 WE HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND.
10:40:45 WHOLE COMMUNITIES LEFT BEHIND.
10:40:47 THE DOLLARS THAT CARRY OVER, WE HEAR ABOUT A SENIOR CITIZEN
10:40:52 AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SENIORS.
10:40:53 I HOPE THE JAZZY SENIORS GET SOMEWHERE TO GO.
10:40:56 BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE NO WORKFORCE HOUSING.
10:41:00 20,000 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST FOR SECTION 8.
10:41:03 WORKFORCE HOUSING.
10:41:05 IF YOU CAN EXPEDITE A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT AND START
10:41:08 LOOKING AT PLANS, YOU NEED TO BE EXPEDITING A PLACE FOR
10:41:11 PEOPLE TO LIVE.
10:41:12 WE HAVE FAMILIES LIVING ON THE SOFA AND WITH OTHER FAMILIES
10:41:16 AND WILL I HAVE GONE IN MOTELS, CANNOT AFFORD IT.
10:41:19 THANK YOU.
10:41:20 >>JOE CITRO: MS. RANSOM, STAY RIGHT THERE, PLEASE.
10:41:23 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:41:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, MA'AM, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE
10:41:26 TIME TO COME DOWN HERE AND SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS WITH US.
10:41:30 I ALWAYS LIKE TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
10:41:32 AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO WATCH US OR KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON
10:41:36 IN EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT WE DO.
10:41:38 THAT MARIJUANA ISSUE HAS NOT COME TO CITY COUNCIL YET.
10:41:41 I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL EVER COME TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE WE
10:41:47 HAVEN'T BEEN BRIEFED ON IT.
10:41:48 I CAN ASSURE YOU, I'M A MAN OF MY WORD, THAT ISSUE HAS NOT
10:41:52 COME TO THIS COUNCIL YET.
10:41:53 IF IT COMES, WHEN IT COMES, HOW WE DECIDE IS A WHOLE OTHER
10:41:58 BALL GAME AND EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THAT
10:42:01 AS A PART OF A APPROXIMATING PROCESS.
10:42:04 BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN HERE YET.
10:42:07 I WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON THAT.
10:42:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. RANSOM, ON A SIDE NOTE WITH
10:42:14 MR. DINGFELDER, WE DID HAVE PEOPLE COME AT OUR LAST MEETING
10:42:17 IN PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THAT SITUATION, AND WE COULDN'T
10:42:20 DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT HADN'T COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL.
10:42:22 BUT I DID MAKE A MOTION THAT STAFF COME AND BRIEF US ON
10:42:28 WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THAT STREET SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:42:30 THAT'S BEING DONE.
10:42:31 AS FAR AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
10:42:34 I DON'T COUNT ON THE ALL TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS BECAUSE WE
10:42:39 AIN'T GOT THAT MONEY.
10:42:40 IT'S HELD SOMEWHERE BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET THE
10:42:44 MONEY.
10:42:44 I COUNT ON CRA DOLLARS WE DO HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY TO START
10:42:47 WORKING ON THE AT THAT E.M.S. THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
10:42:48 I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ON WHEN WE GET IN OUR NEW
10:42:51 BUSINESS IN REFERENCE TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL POND WE HAVE.
10:42:54 YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT HOUSING.
10:42:56 >> 34 RETENTION PONDS IN ONE DISTRICT.
10:42:58 NO OTHER DISTRICT HAS 34.
10:43:02 THAT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT TO MY COMMUNITY.
10:43:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME FINISH.
10:43:06 I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE LATER IN NEW BUSINESS AND SOME
10:43:09 THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE CRAs, OTHER CITIES ARE
10:43:12 DOING.
10:43:13 I'LL TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE CONCERNS HOUSING.
10:43:15 THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
10:43:18 TALKING ABOUT.
10:43:18 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
10:43:20 MS. RANSOM, I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR THIS BOARD, I AM NOT
10:43:24 SPEAKING FOR CITY COUNCIL.
10:43:25 I'M SPEAKING FOR ME.
10:43:26 FOR A MARIJUANA GROW HOUSE TO BE NEXT TO A SCHOOL, TO BE
10:43:32 NEXT TO A REHABILITATION CENTER, IN MY OPINION, IS WRONG.
10:43:36 IT HASN'T COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, AND WE HAVE TO --
10:43:42 SAL, PLEASE.
10:43:44 >>SAL TERRITO: YOU SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING THIS AT THIS
10:43:46 TIME.
10:43:47 SAL TERRITO.
10:43:48 YOU SHOULDN'T BE GIVING AN IDEA WHAT YOUR VOTE IS GOING TO
10:43:51 BE ABOUT THE MATTER.
10:43:52 I UNDERSTAND YOUR FEELINGS ON THIS.
10:43:53 JUST AS A CAUTION.
10:43:54 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:43:55 MS. ZELMAN, MAY I SAY THIS IS HOME RULE THAT IS NOT -- THAT
10:44:00 IS SUPERSEDED BY STATE LAW.
10:44:04 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS, I AM NOT
10:44:06 PERSONALLY AWARE OF A PARTICULAR CASE COMING BEFORE YOU ON A
10:44:09 MEDICAL MARIJUANA FACILITY.
10:44:10 BUT IF IT IS, THEN MR. TERRITO IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, WE
10:44:13 REALLY SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
10:44:17 I DO SEE THAT ON THE 19th, CITY STAFF HAS BEEN ASKED TO
10:44:21 PROVIDE A REPORT ABOUT ONE FACILITY AND THESE FACILITIES IN
10:44:26 GENERAL.
10:44:28 AND I'M NOT YET READY TO PROVIDE THAT REPORT.
10:44:31 I AM SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR, THOUGH, WITH THE STATE STATUTE
10:44:34 REGARDING THESE FACILITIES.
10:44:35 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:44:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE
10:44:39 IN THIS LAST SESSION DID TIE THE HANDS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
10:44:45 PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY WITH REGARD TO WHERE MEDICAL MARIJUANA
10:44:49 DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES CAN BE LOCATED.
10:44:53 SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
10:44:57 THIS MAY BE A BEEF THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE FLORIDA
10:44:59 LEGISLATURE AND NOT TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THE
10:45:01 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS REALLY ARE LIMITED IN HOW MUCH THEY CAN
10:45:06 LIMIT THE LOCATIONS OF THESE FACILITIES.
10:45:08 AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING A MORE SUBSTANTIVE REPORT
10:45:12 ON SEPTEMBER 19th ABOUT THAT.
10:45:18 >>JOE CITRO: SAL, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR GUIDANCE AS
10:45:21 ALWAYS.
10:45:22 I'VE ALREADY SAID TOO MUCH BUT I ALSO FEEL I HAVEN'T SAID
10:45:25 ENOUGH.
10:45:25 HOME RULE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
10:45:32 >> THANK YOU.
10:45:33 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:45:38 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:45:39 MARLENE, HARBOR PLACE OUT ON FLETCHER.
10:45:44 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THE MAYOR'S BUDGET.
10:45:48 IT HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF APPROVAL FOR OCTOBER 2019.
10:45:52 WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS WORKING-CLASS HOUSING BEING
10:45:56 A PRIORITY.
10:45:57 WE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:45:59 WE DON'T HAVE LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
10:46:01 WE DON'T HAVE POOR-PEOPLE HOUSING.
10:46:03 SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN SHE COME OUT WITH THIS BUDGET
10:46:06 WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE LOW INCOME
10:46:14 PEOPLE.
10:46:14 ALSO, THE MAYOR HAS ALLOCATED 75 NEW HOMES.
10:46:19 SHE GOT 200 NEW AFFORDABLE RENTALS THAT SHE'S GOING TO BE
10:46:24 INITIATING TO THE TAMPA HOUSING INITIATION.
10:46:27 $1.6 MILLION FOR STATE HOUSING.
10:46:30 I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE ALL THIS BEAUTIFICATION CONSTRUCTION
10:46:32 GOING ON HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, DOWNTOWN, BUT WHEN WE
10:46:35 GO ACROSS HILLSBOROUGH, THERE ARE NO GROCERY STORES EXCEPT
10:46:40 FOR WALMART.
10:46:40 WE NEED MORE GROCERY STORES IN THE AREA SO THEY DO NOT HAVE
10:46:44 TO TRAVEL TO ANOTHER CITY OR ANOTHER COUNTY FOR SHOPPING.
10:46:47 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS FAR AS THE SENIOR CITIZENS, THE
10:46:51 RECREATION COMMUNITY CENTERS.
10:46:53 I VISIT THREE OF THEM YESTERDAY.
10:46:55 THE SMELL OF MOLD AND MILDEW WAS THERE.
10:46:57 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, GETTING THESE BUILDINGS
10:47:00 TAKEN CARE OF, WHEN THESE SENIOR PEOPLE SIT IN THE BUILDINGS
10:47:03 AND I'M COUGHING AND SNEEZING, THEY'VE BEEN THERE SO MANY
10:47:06 TIMES THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM MUST BE USED TO IT.
10:47:09 WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO INSPECT THE RECREATION
10:47:13 CENTERS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS IN OUR EAST SIDE AREA.
10:47:15 SOMEONE NEEDS TO GET OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE
10:47:17 STRUCTURE.
10:47:17 ALSO, OFF THE AGENDA, I HAVE TRANSPARENCY WITH THE CITY OF
10:47:22 TAMPA.
10:47:23 I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR MY MONEY.
10:47:26 I HAVE A CAVEAT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COURTHOUSE.
10:47:30 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, BACK CHILD SUPPORT.
10:47:32 I NEED MY MONEY.
10:47:34 I WANT A BETTER PLACE TO STAY.
10:47:36 RIGHT NOW, THE HEALTH CONDITIONS THAT I'M RECEIVING NOW,
10:47:38 RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS, ASTHMA, INJURY, AND MENTAL HEALTH.
10:47:43 AGAIN, I WILL ASK YOU, I WILL ASK FOR MY OWN PADDED ROOM
10:47:47 BEFORE SOMEBODY BAKER ACT ME.
10:47:48 I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS.
10:47:50 THIS IS FOR MYSELF AND EVERYBODY THAT LOOKS LIKE ME, AND WHO
10:47:54 HAS THAT LIMITED INCOME.
10:47:55 AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME AND ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR
10:47:58 DAY.
10:48:03 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. DANIELS.
10:48:08 >> GOOD TO KNOW CAN BE CALLED BY NAME, RECOGNIZED BY FACE,
10:48:12 BUT THAT NAME IS REALLY MENTESNOT.
10:48:16 IT MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
10:48:18 WHAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE IS WHAT CITY GOVERNMENT, STATE
10:48:31 GOVERNMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS USED FOR.
10:48:34 IT'S USED FOR THAT WEDGE BETWEEN THE WORKING CLASS AND THE
10:48:38 WEALTHY, AND WE SEE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT RIGHT HERE.
10:48:44 BUNCH OF RACISM GOING ON.
10:48:48 BUNCH TRICKERY GOING ON.
10:48:50 CONTINUOUSLY TRICKING THE PEOPLE.
10:48:52 YOU HAVE TO BE OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT.
10:48:54 YOU HAVE TO BE OLD ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY TRICKED US
10:48:57 WITH RIVERFRONT PARK BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THEY WERE LIKE,
10:49:00 OH, WE NEED A PARK, WE NEED A PARK AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE
10:49:03 SAYING WE NEED A LEARNING CENTER AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
10:49:05 WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WHITE PEOPLE IN 30- AND 50-YEAR
10:49:10 PLAN, TRICKING THE AFRICAN OUT OF OUR PROPERTIES.
10:49:13 THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE SAME
10:49:15 CITY GOVERNMENT THAT SITS HERE, STARTING TO WITH SANDY
10:49:18 FREEDMAN, TRICKED ALL THE AFRICAN PEOPLE, DRUG HOUSES, GANG
10:49:22 HOUSES, GANG PROPERTIES CODE ENFORCEMENT.
10:49:27 TRICKING BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
10:49:29 IF IT'S HOMESTEAD, THEY ARE TYING IT UP.
10:49:31 IT'S NO EQUITY, NO VALUE TO PROPERTY AND NOT ATTRACTED BY
10:49:34 ANYONE OF INTEREST, AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
10:49:36 TRICKING AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:49:38 NOW THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT A SENIOR CENTER, MILLION DOLLARS.
10:49:42 AND PEOPLE CANNOT FIND A PLACE TO LIVE.
10:49:47 NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:49:48 THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
10:49:49 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
10:49:50 AND WE HAVE TO REALLY, REALLY REPRIORITIZE OUR PRIORITIES.
10:49:56 RIGHT HERE IN THE NEWS THIS MORNING, THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
10:50:00 $1.2 MILLION GOING TO BEAUTIFY SOMETHING.
10:50:03 AND RIGHT DOWNTOWN, BETWEEN TRINITY AND NEBRASKA IN
10:50:07 DOWNTOWN, YOU SEE HOMELESS PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
10:50:11 IT'S EMBARRASSING.
10:50:12 AND THE WHITE FOLKS SO SMART AND THEY ARE SO AHEAD OF TIME,
10:50:15 NOT ONLY IN CLOSING FLORIBRASKA AVENUE.
10:50:20 SO SMART AHEAD OF TIME WITH THEM ATTEMPTING TO ATTRACT THE
10:50:25 OLYMPICS AND THE SUPER BOWL COMING, THEY ARE ALREADY
10:50:27 CLEANING YOU WANT HOMELESS PEOPLE.
10:50:28 YOU CAN SEE THEM EVERY NIGHT HARASSING HOMELESS PEOPLE AND
10:50:33 HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.
10:50:36 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITH NO PLACE DECENT TO LIVE.
10:50:39 GO ALONG HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE AND SEE FAMILIES, WHOLE
10:50:42 FAMILIES WALKING UP AND DOWN HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE LATE NIGHT
10:50:46 TRYING TO GET INTO A HOTEL.
10:50:48 BEGGING FOR MONEY TO DO SO.
10:50:51 TRICKING AFRICAN PEOPLE AND THIS HAS TO STOP AND THIS CITY
10:50:55 COUNCIL HAVE TO STOP IT.
10:50:56 THIS CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO STOP IT.
10:50:59 WE NEED SERVICES, AND WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:51:05 THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
10:51:09 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:51:10 NEXT, PLEASE.
10:51:15 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:51:17 I DIDN'T GET -- ANYWAY ...
10:51:22 >>JOE CITRO: MS. LOUIS, COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME.
10:51:25 >> YVETTE LOUIS.
10:51:27 YOU WANT MY ADDRESS, TOO?
10:51:28 >>JOE CITRO: IF YOU DON'T MIND.
10:51:29 >> 3010 EAST CAYUGA.
10:51:31 I COME TO YOU AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN THIS MORNING OF EAST
10:51:34 TAMPA.
10:51:35 TALK ABOUT THE TRICKERY.
10:51:37 I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR CRA.
10:51:40 I'M NOT SURE GOING ON WITH THE EAST TAMPA REVITALIZATION
10:51:45 PARTNERSHIP.
10:51:45 BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT GETTING THESE
10:51:49 NOTICES.
10:51:50 THE COMMUNITY IS NOT AWARE OF WHAT'S BEING VOTED ON OR
10:51:54 WHAT'S BEING SAID OR WHAT'S BEING DONE.
10:51:56 I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL, SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY
10:52:00 AND THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING UNTIL IT'S
10:52:05 HAPPENING.
10:52:05 I'LL ASK YOU ALL TO MAKE A INITIATIVE, DO SOMETHING TO MAKE
10:52:08 SURE THEY GET NOTICE, THAT THEY GET SOME INFORMATION,
10:52:12 BECAUSE YOU GOT FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE SITTING ON A BOARD THAT'S
10:52:15 VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY'S LIFE.
10:52:17 FIRST OF ALL, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THEY VOTED ON THIS
10:52:20 ROUNDABOUT.
10:52:20 I LIVE RIGHT THERE.
10:52:22 WE DIDN'T ASK FOR NO ROUNDABOUT.
10:52:26 I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MEETING WAS DONE, YOU ALL NEED TO
10:52:28 FIGURE THIS OUT.
10:52:29 THE SECOND THING IS, ABOUT THE SENIOR CITIZEN THING, LET ME
10:52:34 EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU, FAIR OAKS PARK HAS BEEN PROMISED A NEW
10:52:37 BUILDING FOR THE PAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
10:52:40 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU STATED THAT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL,
10:52:45 THIS IS WHAT THEY HEARD.
10:52:47 I'M SORRY TO CALL YOU OUT.
10:52:48 THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID.
10:52:49 WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR.
10:52:51 THERE WAS A MEETING HELD WITH THE RESIDENTS OVER AT FAIR
10:52:56 OAKS PARK.
10:52:57 IN THAT MEETING, JANE CASTOR THAT WAS RUNNING FOR MAYOR AT
10:53:00 THE TIME, SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS GOING TO MAKE FAIR OAKS PARK
10:53:04 REBUILDING A PRIORITY.
10:53:06 THOSE PEOPLE STILL DON'T HAVE IT.
10:53:08 WE NEED MORE ROOM.
10:53:10 WE NEED A WHOLE NEW BUILDING.
10:53:12 WHEN THE CITY FIRST PROMISED IT, THEY TOOK THE MONEY FROM
10:53:15 FAIR OAKS AND GAVE IT TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
10:53:18 THEN THEY BROUGHT -- THEN THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID THEY
10:53:21 HAD MONEY.
10:53:22 THEN THE CITY TOOK IT TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
10:53:24 HOW LONG DO THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WAIT FOR A NEW
10:53:27 BUILDING AND THEN YOU COME HERE -- AND I GOT TO HEAR, YOU'RE
10:53:30 GOING TO BUILD ANOTHER BUILDING, ASKING FOR A MILLION
10:53:33 DOLLARS?
10:53:35 WHO TOLD YOU WE WANTED THAT WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE NEEDING A
10:53:38 NEW BUILDING.
10:53:39 THERE ARE RATS, ROACHES, EVERYTHING.
10:53:42 THEY DON'T HAVE THE CENTER.
10:53:42 THEY DON'T HAVE THE NEED, THE ROOM, THE SPACE.
10:53:45 WHEN THE KIDS MEET IN THE SUMMERTIME, THE SENIORS HAVE TO GO
10:53:49 SOMEWHERE ELSE.
10:53:49 THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.
10:53:51 IT'S A SHAME BEFORE GOD.
10:53:53 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE RIGHT.
10:53:55 I DON'T RODE UP AND DOWN HILLSBOROUGH.
10:53:58 WE DON'T NEED NOW ANOTHER BEAUTY CENTER THERE BECAUSE IT
10:54:02 AIN'T BENEFITING ANY OF US BECAUSE ORIENTAL PEOPLE OWN IT.
10:54:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU TALK ABOUT FAIR OAKS, I PUT A PROGRAM
10:54:15 THERE YEARS AGO, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
10:54:19 IT WAS THRIVING.
10:54:20 IT'S NO LONGER THERE ANYMORE.
10:54:21 PUT THE PROGRAM THERE.
10:54:28 BUILT IT FROM THE GROUND.
10:54:30 I KNOW ALL ABOUT FAIR OAKS.
10:54:31 WHEN I DID THE RESEARCH ABOUT FAIR OAKS, BECAUSE SOMEBODY
10:54:35 CAME TO ME ABOUT FAIR OAKS.
10:54:36 I WAS AT THEIR MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT AND TALKED TO THE
10:54:39 RESIDENTS THE OTHER NIGHT AND TOLD THEM THE PLANS TALKED
10:54:42 ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I HEARD WHAT PEOPLE
10:54:44 IN THE COMMUNITY SAID.
10:54:45 SO AS FAR AS MONEY, THE CITY DID WHATEVER THEY DID BECAUSE
10:54:49 MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY TOOK THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR
10:54:52 FAIR OAKS AND TOOK FOR WILLIAMS POOL AND NEVER PUT THAT
10:54:58 MONEY BACK TO REDO FAIR OAKS PARK.
10:55:02 SO WE NEED TO QUESTION -- ASK PAUL DIAL, WHEN WILL THAT BE
10:55:09 ON THE TABLE FOR FAIR OAKS TO GET THE MONEY?
10:55:11 NOW, THERE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:55:13 THAT'S MY POINT ABOUT OUR CRA.
10:55:18 WE HAVE DO A BETTER JOB OF SPENDING THE MONEY.
10:55:22 WE AIN'T BEEN SPENDING THE MONEY.
10:55:24 I WANT THE MONEY SPENT.
10:55:25 THE MONEY SHOULDN'T BE SITTING THERE.
10:55:27 IT SHOULD BE GOING IN DOING STUDIES.
10:55:29 WE HAVE A BIG ENVIRONMENTAL POND -- PROBABLY FOR HOUSING.
10:55:34 I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES AND CONCERNS ON THE TABLE I WANT TO
10:55:36 GET OUT.
10:55:37 I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION BECAUSE I FEEL THE PAIN, TOO,
10:55:39 BECAUSE I LIVE THERE, TOO.
10:55:40 I HAVE AN IDEA HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND START HAVING
10:55:45 THESE OPEN DIALOGUE MEETINGS, TOWN HALL MEETINGS THAT I'M
10:55:49 GOING TO START HAVING SO WE ALL COME TOGETHER TO DO -- BUILD
10:55:54 A PLAN ON HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED SO THE ETRCP, WHICH IS IN
10:55:59 OUR BOUNDARY, KNOW HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED.
10:56:01 NOW THEY CAN HAVE QUORUMS BECAUSE PROBABLY FOR MANY YEARS
10:56:04 THE BOARD HAS BEEN TRANSIENT LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER CRA
10:56:07 BOARDS AND HAVEN'T HAD A QUORUM TO GET THINGS PUSHED TO GET
10:56:10 THINGS DONE, PERIOD.
10:56:11 SO IF YOU AIN'T GOT A QUORUM AND TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND
10:56:15 POLICY, THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH A LOT OF EAST TAMPA
10:56:17 PROBLEMS, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONSISTENT BOARD BECAUSE I
10:56:19 BELIEVE THE NUMBER ON THE BOARD IS TOO LARGE.
10:56:21 YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE PEOPLE TO COME THERE TO BE ABLE TO
10:56:24 GET THE ITEMS ON THE TABLE TO VOTE TO GET ITEMS PUSHED
10:56:26 THROUGH INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
10:56:28 THAT'S SOMETHING WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT DOWN THE ROAD,
10:56:32 DOWNSIZING THAT BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A
10:56:35 QUORUM TO GET ITEMS PUSHED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD OUR
10:56:39 COMMUNITY UP.
10:56:39 THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THAT.
10:56:41 I WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION BUT THESE
10:56:45 ARE THE FIGHTS WE HAVE TO FIGHT AND WE HAVE TO FIGHT THEM
10:56:47 RIGHT NOW.
10:56:49 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?
10:56:50 >>JOE CITRO: PLEASE.
10:56:51 I'LL GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS.
10:56:54 >> YOU SAID YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR A QUORUM.
10:56:55 IF YOU AIN'T HAD NO QUORUM, WHO DID THE VOTING?
10:56:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, LET'S COME BACK.
10:57:00 WHAT I SAID, THE BOARD HAS BEEN TRANSIENT THROUGHOUT THE
10:57:03 YEARS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT
10:57:06 GOING ON BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THEY HADN'T HAD A
10:57:08 QUORUM TO PUT ISSUES ON THE TABLE TO VOTE UPON TO GET THINGS
10:57:12 OUT AND DONE.
10:57:14 NOW THEY'VE GOT A FEW PEOPLE ON THE BOARD TO HAVE A QUORUM
10:57:17 NOW AT THE LAST FOUR, FIVE MEETINGS TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON
10:57:20 ITEMS.
10:57:20 >> OH, SO THE LAST FOUR MEETINGS YOU HAD A QUORUM.
10:57:23 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
10:57:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M NOT ARGUING.
10:57:26 THE PROBLEM SOMETIMES, WHEN I SIT ON THAT BOARD AND I USED
10:57:29 TO GO THROUGH MEETINGS AND BE FRUSTRATED THAT WE DID NOT
10:57:31 HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO FIGHT SOME ISSUES BECAUSE OF LACK OF A
10:57:34 QUORUM.
10:57:35 I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
10:57:36 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. LOUIS.
10:57:38 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:57:44 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE'LL GET TO ITEMS 3 AND 10 LATER.
10:57:47 I THINK THIS GETS BACK TO GOVERNANCE.
10:57:49 THE QUESTION IS, WHO IS IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THIS AND NOT ON
10:57:52 THE INDIVIDUAL CRA LEVEL, BUT WHO IS IN CHARGE OVERALL, WHO
10:57:55 IS SETTING THE POLICY?
10:57:56 WHO IS SETTING THE DIRECTION?
10:57:57 WHO MADE THE DECISION TO LEAVE THESE MONIES IN THE ACCOUNTS
10:58:00 AND NOT SPEND THEM?
10:58:01 WHO IS GIVING THE POLICY ADVICE ON HOW MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT
10:58:06 OR NOT SPENT?
10:58:07 WHO IS SETTING THE PARAMETERS FOR ALL THAT?
10:58:09 I THINK ULTIMATELY IT STOPS WITH US.
10:58:11 SO AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF STRATEGIC
10:58:14 PLANNING, AND WE NEED AN EXECUTIVE WHO REPORTS TO US WHO IS
10:58:17 IN CHARGE AND TAKES DIRECTION AND GIVES GUIDANCE TO THESE
10:58:20 INDIVIDUAL CRAs SO THAT MONEY IS NOT SITTING IN ACCOUNTS
10:58:23 AND IT'S SPENT THE WAY COMMUNITIES WANT IT TO BE.
10:58:25 >>JOE CITRO: GOOD MORNING, BISHOP PATTY.
10:58:27 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:58:28 BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY, P.O. BOX 4624, WHICH IS LOCATED IN
10:58:35 WEST TAMPA.
10:58:36 I'M HERE AS A SENIOR CITIZEN WHO PASSES FAIR OAKS AND STOPS
10:58:41 IN AT FAIR OAKS, KNOW PERSONALLY THAT THAT CENTER IS USED
10:58:45 NOT ONLY BY OUR SENIORS, BUT BY THE YOUTH.
10:58:49 IT IS A WELL USED CENTER.
10:58:50 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SAID THAT YOU HEARD THAT THE MONEY WAS
10:58:53 THERE.
10:58:54 WELL, THEN, THERE SHOULD NOT EVEN BE A DISCUSSION AT THIS
10:58:58 POINT.
10:58:58 FAIR OAKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE FRONT BURNER AND TAKEN
10:59:02 CARE OF.
10:59:02 AND WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS ARENA PITTING ONE COMMUNITY
10:59:07 AGAINST THE OTHER.
10:59:08 I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY, BECAUSE NOW PEOPLE AT
10:59:13 THE AL BARNES FIELD WILL FEEL LIKE BLACK PEOPLE SPEAKING
10:59:16 AGAINST THEM WHEN THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
10:59:18 WE'RE SAYING WE'RE BIG ENOUGH AND PAY ENOUGH TAXES, WHERE
10:59:24 EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAVING THE SAME RESULTS.
10:59:26 IT SHOULDN'T BE WHERE WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN ONE
10:59:29 COMMUNITY VERSUS THE OTHER.
10:59:30 I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE PITTING US AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.
10:59:32 THAT NEEDS TO STOP.
10:59:33 SO FAIR OAKS, WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
10:59:39 IT HAS BEEN PROMISED.
10:59:40 I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT EVERYONE HERE, BECAUSE I MET YOU ALL ON
10:59:43 THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, FROM THE MAYOR DOWN, STATING THAT YOU
10:59:46 ALL WERE GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS OVER IN EAST TAMPA AND
10:59:50 WEST TAMPA, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING THE MOON WALK.
10:59:54 ILLUSION OF GOING FORWARD BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING
11:00:00 BACKWARDS.
11:00:00 THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING DONE, BUT LET'S
11:00:03 GET THINGS DONE.
11:00:05 I'M GLAD FOR THIS NEW BOARD.
11:00:10 YOU SEEM TO HAVE THE PULSE OF THE PEOPLE.
11:00:12 YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:00:14 WE NEED TO START FIXING THE PROBLEM AND STOP BEATING UP.
11:00:17 I LOVE THE INTERACTION.
11:00:18 WE USUALLY NEVER HAVE INTERACTION WITH THE SPEAKERS THAT
11:00:21 COME UP, BUT IT SHOWS ME THAT YOU ALL DO CARE.
11:00:24 SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS STOP TALKING AND GET IT DONE.
11:00:29 SENIORS, AND I ONCE AGAIN REITERATE, I'M A SENIOR.
11:00:33 GLAD TO BE A SENIOR.
11:00:34 AND WE ARE LOOKING TO STAY YOUNG.
11:00:39 WE WANT TO BE PHYSICALLY FIT, AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT THESE
11:00:42 UPGRADES IN THE CENTERS.
11:00:43 WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE IN BRANDON OR SOUTH TAMPA, DAVIS
11:00:48 ISLAND.
11:00:49 YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES.
11:00:50 THEY HAVE HEATED POOLS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
11:00:53 SO AS A TAXPAYER, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PAID OUT -- BECAUSE OF
11:00:59 WHERE WE LIVE.
11:01:00 SO WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU GIVE US THE FULL BENEFIT OF OUR TAX
11:01:04 DOLLARS.
11:01:04 THANK YOU.
11:01:05 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. PATTY.
11:01:07 NEXT, PLEASE.
11:01:11 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:01:13 MY NAME IS RONNIE.
11:01:15 EAST WILDER AVENUE.
11:01:19 I LIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM FAIR OAKS.
11:01:21 WALKING DISTANCE.
11:01:22 I GO THERE TWICE A WEEK.
11:01:24 AND IT DON'T NEED TO BE RENOVATED.
11:01:31 CITY THERE EVERY DAY DOING SOMETHING PATCHING UP.
11:01:34 IT NEED TO BE TORN DOWN AND WE NEED A NEW CENTER THERE.
11:01:37 AND THAT'S MY REASON FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.
11:01:39 DISTRICT FIVE, ORLANDO GUDES, RIDE DOWN WILDER AVENUE JUST
11:01:49 IN THE AREA.
11:01:50 IT'S RUN DOWN IN THE AREA.
11:01:55 PROPERTY IS OVERGROWN.
11:01:56 THE WHITE FOLKS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IT COME IN AND BUY
11:02:03 THE HOUSES.
11:02:03 PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY STAY A LITTLE WHILE.
11:02:07 THEY HAVE CHICKEN, GOATS AND ALL THAT IN THE YARD.
11:02:10 YOU CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT.
11:02:11 CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
11:02:13 NOTHING.
11:02:14 THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
11:02:15 THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME, I DONE CALLED ABOUT THAT HOUSE
11:02:20 FOUR, FIVE, A HUNDRED TIMES OR MORE.
11:02:23 THEY COME AND SAY THIS OR THAT OR WHATEVER, AND THEY GONE,
11:02:28 AND THAT'S IT.
11:02:29 CODE ENFORCEMENT COME, OH, WE DID THIS.
11:02:34 DON'T DO NOTHING.
11:02:35 IF IT WAS MY HOUSE, BE TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER HOUSE OR
11:02:43 EITHER SELL IT.
11:02:44 SO YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING.
11:02:48 ME AS A BLACK PERSON AND SOMEBODY ELSE COME IN AND DO
11:02:51 WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
11:02:53 I'M A LITTLE SICK OF IT.
11:02:55 I AM.
11:02:56 AIN'T NOTHING I CAN DO.
11:02:57 THAT'S WHY I'M DOWN HERE TO LET YOU-ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE
11:03:04 GOING THROUGH IN EAST TAMPA.
11:03:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM, MA'AM -- COME ON BACK.
11:03:13 BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I WANT YOU TO GO NEXT DOOR AND YOU TELL
11:03:18 THE YOUNG LADY, MS. DEBBIE, THAT YOU NEED TO SEE MY
11:03:21 SECRETARY, MY AIDE.
11:03:22 THAT WAY SHE'LL GET YOUR PHONE NUMBER, YOUR CORRECT ADDRESS.
11:03:25 I WAS JUST ON WILDER LAST NIGHT.
11:03:27 I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
11:03:30 I'M FIGHTING EVERY DAY.
11:03:31 I JUST GOT HERE.
11:03:32 I'VE BEEN HERE GOING ON MAYBE FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE MONTHS.
11:03:36 I GOT MY PAD.
11:03:38 I GO THROUGH, AND I'M TAKING NOTES AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE
11:03:43 DONE.
11:03:43 I HAVE A NEW CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:03:45 HE'S TAKING NOTES.
11:03:47 HE UNDERSTANDS.
11:03:47 WE'LL MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.
11:03:49 TRY TO SPEND MONEY IN THAT CRA TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE
11:03:52 IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
11:03:53 I'LL VISIT AND YOU CAN SHOW ME WHERE THE CHICKEN AND GOATS
11:03:56 ARE AT.
11:03:57 >> THEY GONE NOW, SOME OF THEM, BUT YOU STILL SEE A COUPLE
11:04:00 OF CHICKENS RUNNING AROUND IN THE STREET.
11:04:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M BEHIND YOU 100%.
11:04:04 I'LL COME SEE YOU.
11:04:06 >> ALL RIGHT.
11:04:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:04:08 >> THANK YOU.
11:04:08 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:04:09 >>BILL CARLSON: RELATED TO ALL THIS, I HAD TO ASK, WE HAVE
11:04:13 PARKS LIKE -- OR COMMUNITY CENTERS LIKE THE ONE MENTIONED, I
11:04:18 THINK FAIR OAKS, THAT ARE RUN DOWN.
11:04:21 YOU ALL MENTIONED THE RETENTION PONDS.
11:04:24 BRAND-NEW FENCES AND BRAND-NEW BEAUTIFUL SIGNS IN FRONT OF
11:04:27 THE RETENTION PONDS.
11:04:29 DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA WHY MONEY WAS SPENT ON THAT
11:04:32 INSTEAD OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER?
11:04:33 ANYWAY, JUST A QUESTION.
11:04:37 THIS IS WHY WE NEED --
11:04:40 >> I WISH I HAD AN ANSWER FOR.
11:04:43 WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, ALL RIGHT.
11:04:47 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:04:48 NEXT, PLEASE.
11:04:53 >> I'M SHERMAN HARRIS. I'M HERE ALSO FOR INTEREST IN FAIR
11:05:00 OAKS PARK.
11:05:01 AND INTEREST IN THE ROUNDABOUTS ON 34th THAT'S COMING.
11:05:08 THAT INFORMATION THAT'S THERE, I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY
11:05:15 WANTS THOSE ROUNDABOUTS.
11:05:16 WHY COULDN'T THEY TAKE THAT MONEY AND DIRECT IT TO THE PARK
11:05:23 IF NOBODY WANTS THEM IN THAT COMMUNITY.
11:05:25 THEY VOTED ON THEM, LIKE YOU ALL SAID, SHE SAID EARLIER,
11:05:29 NOBODY IS GETTING INFORMATION OUT FOR US TO KNOW THIS.
11:05:32 BY THE TIME THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THIS STUFF, YOU ALL DONE
11:05:35 VOTED ON IT.
11:05:36 YOU READY TO GO GET CONTRACTORS AND START WORK.
11:05:41 HOW DO WE GET THIS INFORMATION IN OUR COMMUNITY?
11:05:44 HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ALL DOING, WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON?
11:05:47 ANSWERS?
11:05:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. HARRIS, I THINK THE ROUNDABOUT
11:05:58 SITUATION WAS BEFORE MOST OF OUR TIME HERE.
11:06:02 I BELIEVE THAT THE ROUNDABOUT IS BEING DONE BY F.D.O.T., THE
11:06:07 FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, NOT BY ANY CRA
11:06:10 DOLLARS.
11:06:11 NOW, THE CRA DOLLARS THAT MR. JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT EARLIER,
11:06:14 THAT'S FOR SOME BEAUTIFICATION AND SOME AESTHETICS, BUT THE
11:06:17 BULK OF THAT PROJECT IS NOT CRA MONEY.
11:06:22 IT'S F.D.O.T. MONEY.
11:06:24 F.D.O.T. SOMEHOW GOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND THAT'S
11:06:27 HOW IT WORKED AS FAR AS THE PROJECT.
11:06:29 SOME FOLKS ON 34th STREET, WHEN YOU GO DOWN TOWARDS
11:06:34 COLUMBUS AREA, WHEN THAT PROJECT CAME FROM, FROM WHAT I
11:06:38 UNDERSTOOD, THAT AREA WANTED THE ROUNDABOUTS.
11:06:39 AS FAR AS 34th AND -- I DON'T KNOW.
11:06:43 I KNOW THE LATTER PART, MLK BACK, THOSE FOLKS IN THOSE
11:06:47 COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, THEY WANTED THAT.
11:06:52 BUT THEY WON'T COME OUT PUBLICLY AND SAY THAT.
11:06:55 THEY'LL DO IT IN THEIR OWN ASSOCIATION MEETINGS BUT THEY
11:06:57 AREN'T COMING OUT PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE
11:07:00 TARGETED.
11:07:00 THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM BECAUSE
11:07:04 OF WHAT THEY WANT IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
11:07:05 I CAN'T BLAME THEM.
11:07:08 NOBODY WANTS TO BE CRITICIZED.
11:07:10 IT'S THEIR COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED.
11:07:13 AND THAT WAS VOTED ON WAY, WAY LONG TIME AGO BEFORE THE
11:07:15 BOARD WAS HERE.
11:07:16 THAT'S HOW THAT'S WORKING.
11:07:18 >> THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, STILL, ORLANDO, YOU, LIKE I
11:07:21 SAID, WE BOTH GREW UP IN THAT AREA.
11:07:23 FAIR OAKS, IF YOU RUN DOWN TO 34th AND OSBORNE, MIDDLE OF
11:07:27 THE NIGHT, 12:00, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME YOUNG KIDS DOING
11:07:31 DOUGHNUTS AROUND THERE.
11:07:32 YOU ALL GOING TO CONSTANTLY, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING TO
11:07:35 BEAUTIFY THAT, CONSTANTLY REPAIR THAT.
11:07:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IT
11:07:48 WORKS --
11:07:49 >> MY GUESS IS THAT WILL GET REPAIRED MORE THAN YOU-ALL
11:07:53 WANTED.
11:07:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DOWN THE ROAD
11:07:56 GONE, SHERMAN.
11:07:57 WHETHER TAKE THOSE ISSUES AS THEY COME.
11:08:00 THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS, BROTHER.
11:08:05 >> WHAT ARE OUR INTENTIONS FOR OUR PARK, THE NEXT BUDGET?
11:08:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO GO BASICALLY
11:08:12 TO THE CAC MEETING, VOICE THEIR CONCERN.
11:08:14 THERE IS MONEY IN THAT BUDGET FOR RENOVATION.
11:08:16 I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO GET WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHERE THAT
11:08:19 MONEY WAS SPENT, HOW IT WAS SPENT.
11:08:21 AND IF IT WAS ALLOCATED SOMEPLACE ELSE, I THINK THEY NEED TO
11:08:24 LOOK AT PUTTING IT BACK, EVENTUALLY, TO GET THAT DONE OR IF
11:08:27 THEY ARE SAYING THEY CAN'T, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CRA
11:08:30 DOLLARS TO TRY TO FIX UP FAIR OAKS AS WELL.
11:08:34 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:08:35 >> THANK YOU.
11:08:35 ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT?
11:08:43 CHIEF BENNETT, LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:08:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHAIRMAN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS A
11:08:58 RECEIVE AND FILE FOR NUMBER 4.
11:08:59 ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS?
11:09:02 >>JOE CITRO: DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY
11:09:05 QUESTIONS?
11:09:05 WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
11:09:17 PLEASE, PROCEED.
11:09:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
11:09:20 MR. BENNETT OR DENNIS -- PROBABLY MORE DENNIS.
11:09:32 NUMBERS QUESTION.
11:09:34 THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION IN EAST TAMPA.
11:09:47 I KNOW IT'S TRUE IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, THAT IF
11:09:52 WE LOOK THROUGH THIS ITEM, FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS, THERE
11:09:57 SEEMS TO BE A BALANCE CARRYOVER, AND NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT
11:10:02 ONE.
11:10:02 THE DOWNTOWN CRA BUDGET LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT A BALANCE
11:10:10 FORWARD OF $13 MILLION.
11:10:14 SO THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND.
11:10:18 I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR CITY BUDGET NECESSARILY HAS THAT LARGE
11:10:23 UNENCUMBERED BALANCE FORWARD.
11:10:26 USUALLY OUR BALANCE FORWARDS ARE TYPICALLY ENCUMBERED.
11:10:29 SO JUST FILL ME IN, DENNIS, ON YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
11:10:35 IS THAT A POLICY THING, AS MR. CARLSON SAID EARLIER,
11:10:39 SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY SHOULD BE ADDRESSING FOR FUTURE
11:10:43 REFERENCE.
11:10:44 >>DENNIS ROGERO: DENNIS ROGERO, INTERIM CHIEF FINANCIAL
11:10:48 OFFICER.
11:10:49 IN CONTRAST TO WHAT I THINK WE REGULARLY DO ON THE CITY SIDE
11:10:52 OF THE BUDGET, ON THE CRA SIDE OF THE BUDGET, ALTHOUGH SOME
11:10:55 OF THIS FUNDING HAS A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR ENVISIONED AT A
11:10:59 PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN THE FUTURE, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
11:11:02 SPELLED OUT SPECIFICALLY.
11:11:03 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT GOING FORWARD, AND I THINK IT WOULD
11:11:07 PROVIDE A CLEARER PICTURE TO THE VIEWING AUDIENCE AS TO JUST
11:11:10 HOW MUCH OF THIS FUNDING IS TRULY A BALANCE AND HOW MUCH OF
11:11:12 THIS FUNDING IS INTENDED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
11:11:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AND
11:11:18 TIGHTEN THAT UP.
11:11:19 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
11:11:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIMILARLY, EACH OF THE DISTRICTS APPEAR
11:11:28 TO HAVE INTEREST EARNINGS, QUOTE, NOT YET ALLOCATED.
11:11:34 I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 6 ON THE YBOR BUDGET, 111,000.
11:11:43 YBOR 2 IS 46,000.
11:11:45 CHANNEL DISTRICT, 600,000.
11:11:48 DREW PARK 470,000.
11:11:52 TELL ME ABOUT THAT INTEREST EARNINGS NOT YET ALLOCATED.
11:11:58 IS THAT ALSO PART OF THE UNENCUMBERED BALANCE FORWARD?
11:12:05 >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS SIMILAR TO THE UNENCUMBERED BALANCE
11:12:08 FORWARD.
11:12:09 IT IS FUNDING THAT A PURPOSE HAS NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR
11:12:13 YET, AND WE HAVEN'T APPROPRIATED THAT FUNDING.
11:12:16 MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, IT IS INTEREST EARNINGS IN PART DUE
11:12:19 TO THE BALANCES THAT WE'RE HOLDING.
11:12:21 JUST ADD AN ADDENDUM THERE, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, A PURPOSE
11:12:27 FOR THAT PARTICULAR FUNDING HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED UPON.
11:12:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EAST TAMPA HAS A MILLION DOLLARS INTEREST
11:12:39 EARNINGS, QUOTE, NOT YET ALLOCATED.
11:12:44 BUT THERE'S NO CONCERN THAT THAT MONEY WILL GO ANYWHERE.
11:12:50 IT'S JUST SITTING THERE.
11:12:52 IT'S NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR ANYTHING LIKE
11:12:55 THAT.
11:12:55 IT'S JUST SITTING THERE WAITING TO BE ALLOCATED AND WAITING
11:12:58 TO BE USED.
11:12:59 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
11:13:00 IT'S PROHIBITED FROM GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND.
11:13:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S MY QUESTION ON ITEM 4.
11:13:10 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING THAT FORWARD AS A RECEIVE AND
11:13:16 FILE.
11:13:17 >> SO MOVED.
11:13:17 >>JOE CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY
11:13:21 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:13:22 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:13:24 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:13:25 ALL OPPOSED?
11:13:30 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT AT
11:13:32 VOTE.
11:13:44 >>JOE CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 5.
11:13:45 >>JOHN BENNETT: ITEM 5 IS OBVIOUSLY TOWARD THE AGENDA IS THE
11:13:52 BUDGET.
11:13:53 I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO JUST MENTION THE FACT THAT THERE
11:13:56 WAS A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUDGET AND THE SERVICE LEVEL
11:13:59 AGREEMENT GOING FORWARD.
11:14:02 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN.
11:14:13 JUST TO BE CLEAR, IN THE LAST WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS
11:14:19 BUT GOING BACK A WHILE, THE ANNUAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WAS
11:14:23 EMBEDDED IN THE BUDGET, AND SO WHEN THIS AGENCY WOULD
11:14:28 APPROVE IT, THEY WOULD APPROVE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
11:14:29 AND GIVEN THIS AGENCY'S FOCUS ON TRANSPARENCY, AND WE JUST
11:14:35 THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SEPARATE THE AGREEMENT OUT
11:14:39 AND LET YOU SEE IT AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
11:14:45 APPROVING, THAT YOU'RE APPROVING THE BUDGET.
11:14:47 YOU'RE ALSO APPROVING SEPARATELY THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
11:14:49 IF YOU'D LIKE, DID YOU WANT ME TO DISCUSS THE SERVICES
11:14:53 AGREEMENT NOW OR DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET FIRST?
11:14:56 WE CAN GO EITHER WAY.
11:14:58 >>JOE CITRO: PREFER GOING BUDGET FIRST.
11:15:01 WHATEVER THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR.
11:15:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEEMS LIKE SERVICES AGREEMENT SHOULD GO
11:15:07 TO ITEM 10.
11:15:08 THAT'S PART AND PARCEL ABOUT WHAT ITEM 10 IS.
11:15:13 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:15:16 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE IT TIES INTO BUDGET.
11:15:17 IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT A $300,000 INCREASE IN THE SERVICES
11:15:21 AGREEMENT, IF I READ THAT CORRECTLY, FROM ABOUT 1.4 MILLION
11:15:24 TO ABOUT 1.7.
11:15:26 DID I SAY THREE OR FOUR?
11:15:29 THREE.
11:15:30 DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE IS?
11:15:43 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE'RE GETTING THAT ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
11:15:47 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:15:48 >>ED JOHNSON: ED JOHNSON, CRA FOR EAST TAMPA.
11:15:52 THAT INCREASE WAS DUE IN PART BECAUSE WE ADDED FUNDING FOR A
11:15:58 REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BY THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMUNITY TO
11:16:01 HIRE -- FOR THE CITY TO HIRE FIVE PART-TIME INDIVIDUALS TO
11:16:06 WORK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ENHANCEMENT TEAM THAT WOULD BE
11:16:10 DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE SUMMER YOUTH PROGRAM.
11:16:13 SO AS SOME OF THESE FOLKS ARE FINISHING THE SUMMER YOUTH
11:16:17 PROGRAM, IF WE HAVE THESE FIVE PART-TIME POSITIONS
11:16:20 AVAILABLE, INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT THE AGE LEVEL FOR HIRING
11:16:24 COULD BE MOVED INTO THESE PART-TIME POSITIONS TO CONTINUE
11:16:27 THEIR EMPLOYMENT OFF OF THE SUMMER CAMPAIGN.
11:16:30 AND THAT WAS THE ADDITIONAL INCREASE.
11:16:35 >>BILL CARLSON: WE'LL GET INTO THE TOTAL AGREEMENT LATER.
11:16:37 JUST WHILE YOU'RE HERE, BECAUSE IT'S ALL BUNCHED UP IN
11:16:42 CATEGORIES WITHOUT A LOT OF DETAIL.
11:16:43 DO WE PAY OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THAT?
11:16:46 I ASSUME THAT THE STAFF PAYMENTS HERE WERE JUST FOR THE
11:16:50 MANAGERS AND THE SUPERVISORS.
11:16:52 ARE THERE OTHER TRAINING PERSONNEL OR --
11:16:56 >>ED JOHNSON: YES, SPECIFICALLY IN EAST TAMPA, THERE ARE --
11:16:59 AND THIS ALSO GOES INTO YOUR SERVICE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE
11:17:03 THAT'S WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE BEING DIRECTLY RELATED TO.
11:17:09 ALL OF THE STAFFING FROM OUR EAST TAMPA REDEVELOPMENT
11:17:13 OFFICE, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL
11:17:16 DETECTIVE THAT WE PAY FOR, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF THAT
11:17:19 STAFFING NUMBER, AND ALSO, THERE ARE FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT
11:17:23 ARE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
11:17:27 ENHANCEMENT TEAM THAT IS PART OF OUR EAST TAMPA CLEAN TEAM.
11:17:31 THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL --
11:17:34 >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL GET TO THIS LATER.
11:17:36 IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE TWO SEPARATE AGREEMENTS.
11:17:40 ONE IS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE INSIDE THE CRA AND THE OTHER IS
11:17:43 THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CRA.
11:17:45 ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.
11:17:47 THANK YOU.
11:17:53 >>JOE CITRO: ON AGENDA ITEM 6, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE
11:17:56 BOARD?
11:18:00 >> 5.
11:18:01 >>JOE CITRO: I'M SORRY.
11:18:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
11:18:04 SAL, YOU MIGHT NEED TO HELP ON THIS.
11:18:10 I THOUGHT PROCEDURALLY WE WERE APPROVING THE BUDGET IN
11:18:13 OCTOBER.
11:18:18 >>SAL TERRITO: THIS IS THE BUDGET FOR OCTOBER.
11:18:20 IF YOU WAITED UNTIL OCTOBER, YOU WOULD HAVE A GAP BETWEEN
11:18:23 PEOPLE DOING THE WORK FOR YOU AND THEN YOU'D HAVE NOBODY
11:18:26 UNTIL YOU APPROVED IT IN OCTOBER.
11:18:27 YOU'RE APPROVING IT TODAY TOO OFTEN CARRYOVER SO YOU HAVE
11:18:31 THE STAFF AVAILABLE ON OCTOBER 1st.
11:18:33 YOUR BUDGET WORKS THE SAME WAY AS THE CITY'S BUDGET.
11:18:36 ON OCTOBER 1st, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY STAFF TO HELP
11:18:39 SUPPORT THE CRAs IF YOU WAITED UNTIL OCTOBER.
11:18:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE PROCESS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE
11:18:44 CITY'S BUDGET.
11:18:46 OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT HAVING A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING, PER SE,
11:18:50 TO APPROVE THIS BUDGET.
11:18:52 >>SAL TERRITO: IT IS NOT REQUIRED UNDER THE STATUTES TO HAVE
11:18:54 THIS BUDGET APPROVED THE WAY THE CITY APPROVES ITS BUDGET.
11:18:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:18:58 BECAUSE I HAD ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET,
11:19:04 BUT FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT WE WERE APPROVING IT IN
11:19:08 OCTOBER, SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SPARE YOU GUYS MY QUESTIONS.
11:19:11 BUT I'M GOING TO NEED TO ASK SOME OF THEM IF WE'RE, IN FACT,
11:19:17 APPROVING IT TODAY.
11:19:18 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, PLEASE PROCEED.
11:19:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:19:21 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:19:22 WHEN I HIT A PARTICULAR CRA ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW,
11:19:27 MR. BENNETT, IF YOU WANT YOUR PEOPLE TO COME UP AND HELP
11:19:30 YOU.
11:19:31 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN.
11:19:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALWAYS.
11:19:34 SO IN THE DOWNTOWN BUDGET -- I'M ON PAGE 9 -- IT GETS A
11:19:44 LITTLE VAGUE.
11:19:46 WE KIND OF BUMPED UP AGAINST THIS EARLIER.
11:19:50 IT'S A LOT OF MONEY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
11:19:53 IT SAYS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THE CRA,
11:19:58 $4 MILLION, $4.1 MILLION, BUT THAT'S AS DETAILED AS I CAN
11:20:04 FIND IT.
11:20:04 THAT REALLY APPLIES TO QUITE A FEW OF THE DISTRICTS.
11:20:12 IT'S JUST A LITTLE VAGUE IN TERMS OF A LACK OF SPECIFICITY,
11:20:21 YOU KNOW, BEYOND A BROAD CATEGORY LIKE THAT.
11:20:26 FOR EXAMPLE, ANOTHER ONE IS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CRA,
11:20:30 $6.4 MILLION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEERING.
11:20:35 THAT'S AS DETAILED AS I SEE IT.
11:20:40 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A BROAD ANSWER TO THAT.
11:20:46 >> I ACTUALLY MIGHT.
11:20:47 I SPENT THE WEEKEND READING THE STRATEGIC PLANS FOR THE
11:20:49 CRAs, WHICH LIKE MANY OF YOU, HAS BEEN JUST WEEKS FOR ME.
11:20:53 I THINK SOME OF THAT DETAIL THAT COMES FROM THE STRATEGIC
11:20:57 PLAN THAT SHOULD MIGRATE TO THE BUDGET SHOULD BE A LITTLE
11:21:05 MORE SPECIFIC.
11:21:06 I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING, THE LENS OF THIS
11:21:09 ADMINISTRATION, THIS BOARD, THIS COUNCIL, NEEDS TO START
11:21:11 LEANING FORWARD INTO ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY AND
11:21:14 SOME MORE DETAIL WORK TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS WHERE WE
11:21:17 CAN BE MORE SPECIFIC.
11:21:18 I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT HOW THIS WORKED ITS WAY TO
11:21:26 THE BUDGET LINE ITEM IN THE MODE IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON
11:21:30 TOGETHER.
11:21:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
11:21:33 YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
11:21:34 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING IT IN A VAGUE FASHION LIKE
11:21:37 TODAY.
11:21:37 BECAUSE AS SAL SAID, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
11:21:40 WE NEED TO KEEP GOING.
11:21:42 >>JOHN BENNETT: RIGHT.
11:21:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE CAN'T STOP AND HAVE NO BUDGET.
11:21:45 BUT WITH THAT SAID OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, PERHAPS A
11:21:49 TWEAKING OF THESE, INCORPORATING THE S.A.P. DETAIL INTO THIS
11:21:54 WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
11:21:56 BUT I WILL ASK ROB SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THIS ONE REALLY
11:22:00 KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME.
11:22:02 IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, IT SPEAKS TO $6.4 MILLION FOR
11:22:05 DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND NEIGHBORHOOD
11:22:08 IMPROVEMENTS.
11:22:09 BUT THEN IT HAS ZERO TO ACTUALLY BUILD THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
11:22:15 THAT ONE REALLY IS LIKE, WOW.
11:22:19 I'M IN THE WRONG FIELD.
11:22:20 I NEED TO GO INTO ENGINEERING AND DESIGN.
11:22:25 >>ROB ROSNER: THE TITLING OF THAT HAS BEEN A WORDING ISSUE
11:22:27 THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
11:22:30 WHEN BOB MCDONAUGH WAS IN MY POSITION AS CRA MANAGER, HE HAD
11:22:30 SET UP -- A LOT OF THE FRONT UP WORK WAS FOR DOING THE
11:22:41 DESIGN WORK, AND THEN WE WERE FUNDING IT BASED ON THE S.A.P.
11:22:44 THAT NUMBER CARRIED FORWARD, THE SAME ACCOUNT HAS BEEN
11:22:47 CARRIED FORWARD.
11:22:48 IT IS A TERM, WE'RE STILL USING IT AS A WHOLE, MASTER
11:22:52 INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:22:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING.
11:22:54 THERE ACTUALLY IS CONSTRUCTION ANTICIPATED.
11:22:56 >>ROB ROSNER: YES, IT IS.
11:22:57 AND WE WERE TRYING TO CLEAN THAT UP BEFORE THIS BUDGET, BUT
11:22:59 THAT WINDOW CLOSED IN JULY.
11:23:01 IT'S A WORDING ISSUE MORE THAN IT IS ACTUAL ISSUE.
11:23:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'LL WORK WITH MR. BENNETT TO REFINE
11:23:09 THAT.
11:23:09 >>ROB ROSNER: SO THE $13 MILLION THAT COVERS THE
11:23:14 INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE NINE PROJECTS.
11:23:16 THAT'S THE SAME NUMBER.
11:23:18 THAT IS THE NEW SET OF MONEY COMING IN.
11:23:20 WE HAVEN'T ALLOCATED THAT BUT WE ALSO HAVEN'T GOTTEN ALL OF
11:23:22 THE GMPs FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.
11:23:25 WE WERE ESTIMATING AT 13 MILLION, MAYBE HIGHER.
11:23:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, ROB.
11:23:30 >>ROB ROSNER: WE'LL GIVE MORE CLARITY AS IT BECOMES
11:23:33 AVAILABLE.
11:23:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: APPRECIATE IT.
11:23:35 I'VE GOT SIMILAR NOTES FOR THE VARIOUS ITEMS.
11:23:40 LET ME SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHERS.
11:23:41 >>JOE CITRO: WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE, COUNSEL, CAN
11:23:44 YOU GIVE US YOUR OPINION ON THIS?
11:23:46 I KNOW YOU'RE EAGERLY WAITING.
11:23:51 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NOT REALLY AN OPINION, BUT GIVEN THIS IS MY
11:23:53 FIRST MEETING, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY BEEN
11:23:56 BRIEFED ON THE RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES.
11:23:58 BUT SOMETHING THAT MAY GIVE YOU SOME REASSURANCE IS THAT ONE
11:24:03 OF THE THINGS THAT THE LEGISLATURE ADDED TO THE CRA STATUTE
11:24:06 THIS YEAR WAS MUCH MORE DETAILED REPORTING REQUIREMENT.
11:24:11 AND SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE HEARD YOU SAY TODAY I THINK ARE
11:24:14 BEING -- WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE REPORTING THAT THE CRAs
11:24:19 WILL NOW HAVE TO HAVE WITH REGARD TO TOTAL NUMBER OF
11:24:23 PROJECTS STARTED AND COMPLETED AND THE ESTIMATED COST EACH
11:24:27 YEAR, TOTAL EXPENDITURES FROM THE FUND, THE INCREASE IN THE
11:24:31 ASSESSED VALUE OF PROPERTY, TOTAL AMOUNT EXPENDED FOR
11:24:34 AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
11:24:36 THE LEGISLATURE IS NOW REQUIRING THAT TO BE IN AN ANNUAL
11:24:38 REPORT EACH YEAR.
11:24:39 SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
11:24:43 THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
11:24:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M GOOD NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:24:49 I THINK MR. BENNETT AND I UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER ON THIS.
11:24:55 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:24:58 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE CALL YOU MR. BENNETT OR CHIEF
11:25:01 BENNETT?
11:25:02 >>JOHN BENNETT: WHATEVER IS YOUR PLEASURE.
11:25:04 I'LL ANSWER TO BOTH.
11:25:05 I'LL ANSWER TO JOHN.
11:25:06 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK YOU'RE INTERIM RIGHT NOW, RIGHT.
11:25:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: I AM.
11:25:10 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OPEN POSITION.
11:25:11 I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS
11:25:14 OVERALL TO BUILD COLLEGIALITY BETWEEN THE TWO.
11:25:17 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ANYBODY WATCHING TO SEE THAT THE
11:25:19 REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AT LEAST THE
11:25:22 REASON WHY I'M ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN LOOKING AT THIS,
11:25:25 FIRST OF ALL, THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED ME TO LOOK AT THINGS AND
11:25:27 ASK A LOT OF TOUGH QUESTIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED
11:25:30 ABOUT HOW THEIR MONEY IS BEING SPENT.
11:25:31 BUT I THINK IT'S NOT AT ALL A REFLECTION OF ANY OF YOU ALL
11:25:35 IN THE ROOM OR ANY OF THE CURRENT CITY STAFF OR THE CURRENT
11:25:38 MAYOR.
11:25:38 IT'S MORE OF A REFLECTION OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PAST, AND
11:25:43 THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T -- THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY
11:25:47 ISSUES GOING FORWARD.
11:25:48 AND SO I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO DO THAT.
11:25:52 I THINK MY COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY ONES WHO HAVE BEEN HERE A
11:25:54 LONG TIME, THEY MAY FEEL LIKE WE'RE ASKING TOO MANY
11:25:57 QUESTIONS.
11:25:57 AFTER WE GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE MEETINGS AND WE SET THE
11:26:00 GUIDELINES, IT SHOULD BE SMOOTH FLOWING AFTER THAT.
11:26:03 I THINK WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY OF THIS GOING FORWARD.
11:26:05 THE PROBLEM IS JUST THAT WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
11:26:09 SYSTEM.
11:26:09 WE HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S UNDERNEATH.
11:26:12 IF WHATEVER WAS GOING ON IN THE PAST, IF WE APPROVE
11:26:15 SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RIGHT, THEN THAT'S ON US.
11:26:18 I THINK WE HAVE TO GO, AS SAID THE LAST TIME, SHOWED THE
11:26:21 GRAND JURY REPORT, IT'S NOT ABOUT COMPLIANCE, IT'S NOT EVEN
11:26:24 ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW LEGISLATION.
11:26:25 IT'S ABOUT SETTING THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION FOR WHAT THE CRA
11:26:29 SHOULD DO, SETTING SOME GUIDELINES FOR THEM AND SETTING THE
11:26:32 OVERALL TONE ABOVE THEIR OWN STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS.
11:26:36 WE SHOULD BE SETTING GUIDANCE INTO HOW THEY SET THOSE UP SO
11:26:42 THERE ARE PARAMETERS AND THEN WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE
11:26:44 PLANS.
11:26:45 YOU KNOW THIS, BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE THIS IN THE COUNTY AND
11:26:47 ALSO IN THE POLICE FORCE.
11:26:48 I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.
11:26:50 IT WILL BE DIFFICULT GETTING TO THAT PROCESS AND I DON'T
11:26:52 KNOW HOW WE DO IT SINCE WE'RE A BOARD THAT OPERATES IN THE
11:26:55 SUNSHINE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A MECHANISM FOR DOING
11:26:58 IT.
11:26:58 >>JOHN BENNETT: THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS AND WELL
11:27:01 APPRECIATED, TOO.
11:27:01 BUT I'M CONFIDENT.
11:27:03 I MET WITH THE MANAGERS AHEAD OF THIS MEETING.
11:27:06 THEY ARE ALL READY TO LEAN FORWARD.
11:27:12 I HEARD ALL THE FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD DO THE REPORTS,
11:27:15 HOW WE SHOULD UNPACK THE BUDGET.
11:27:18 MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHICH IS DEAR TO MY HEART, IS ALIGNING
11:27:20 WITH THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN AND MAKING A STRONG PLAN WITH
11:27:23 THOSE ITEMS THAT COME UP FROM THE COMMUNITY, ARE VETTED BY
11:27:26 THE CACs AND, OF COURSE, RESIDE WITH YOU AS A BOARD.
11:27:30 I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ABOUT THE GROWING PAINS
11:27:32 IN THE BEGINNING, BUT THEY ARE WELL WORTH IT.
11:27:37 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
11:27:38 I'M A BRANDING PERSON, AND THIS BUDGET IS FALLING EXACTLY --
11:27:44 FOLLOWING THE EXACT SAME FORMAT AS LAST YEAR AND I THINK
11:27:47 SEVERAL PREVIOUS YEARS.
11:27:48 IN BRANDING, SOMETIMES WE COMBINE THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE
11:27:52 THEY'RE THE SAME BUT THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT LEGAL ENTITIES
11:27:55 UNDER IT.
11:27:56 JUST FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, THE FIRST PAGE SAYS CITY OF
11:27:59 TAMPA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THEN THE INSIDE HAS
11:28:02 THE CITY SEAL.
11:28:03 WHAT IS THE LEGAL NAME OF THIS ENTITY?
11:28:10 AND IS IT APPROPRIATE TO USE THE CITY SEAL?
11:28:13 BECAUSE BY USING THAT BRANDING IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS A
11:28:16 DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY?
11:28:19 DOES IT STAND ALONE?
11:28:20 OUR PRIOR ATTORNEY WENT THROUGH ALL THE RULES AND
11:28:23 REGULATIONS OF HOW THE CRA OPERATES, BUT FROM A BRANDING
11:28:26 PERSPECTIVE, WHAT IS THE MOST LEGALLY ACCURATE?
11:28:28 >>SAL TERRITO: SAL TERRITO, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
11:28:31 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:28:32 YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN SEAL.
11:28:34 THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP AT THE VERY BEGINNING IN
11:28:36 '83 THAT YOU MAY HAVE A SEAL.
11:28:38 YOU DON'T HAVE A SEAL.
11:28:39 YOU'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY.
11:28:42 YOU'RE A DEPENDENT AGENCY UNDER THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT YOU
11:28:44 ACT INDEPENDENTLY.
11:28:46 WHEN THE MONEY AND EVERYTHING COMES TO YOU, YOU MAKE THE
11:28:49 FINAL DECISIONS.
11:28:50 YOU DO NOT HAVE A SEAL.
11:28:51 IF YOU WANT TO CREATE ONE, YOU CERTAINLY CAN.
11:28:54 >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE A NUANCE, BUT IN
11:28:56 BRANDING, I LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THIS SHOULD SAY COMMUNITY
11:28:58 REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOT CITY OF TAMPA
11:29:01 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT.
11:29:02 BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A DEPARTMENT THAT YOU WOULD SAY, CITY
11:29:04 OF TAMPA PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET
11:29:07 DEPARTMENT.
11:29:08 IT'S COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:29:11 >>SAL TERRITO: THIS HAS COME UP IN THE PAST AS WELL BECAUSE
11:29:14 THE MAYOR'S PICTURE USED TO BE IN THERE AND THE MAYOR
11:29:17 TECHNICALLY DOESN'T HAVE A ROLE IN HOW YOU OPERATE.
11:29:20 BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DEAL WITH.
11:29:22 IT'S YOUR DECISION HOW YOU WANT TO CONTINUE GOING FORWARD.
11:29:26 IT IS YOUR DECISION IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A SEAL.
11:29:28 IT IS NOT THE CITY'S SEAL.
11:29:31 IT IS NOT YOUR SEAL.
11:29:32 >>JOE CITRO: ANYTHING FURTHER, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
11:29:35 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
11:29:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:29:36 I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT.
11:29:38 AS I LOOK AT THIS -- BUT THE INSIDE OF IT, THE MAYOR HAS
11:29:43 NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
11:29:44 BUT SHE IS THE MAYOR.
11:29:45 SO YOU HAVE TO PUT I GUESS THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
11:29:48 HER PICTURE.
11:29:48 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD, THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
11:29:53 WE'RE THE SAME BOARD AS THE CITY COUNCIL BUT WE HAVE TAMPA
11:29:55 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT -- BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
11:29:57 THAT'S US.
11:29:58 IN FACT, GOING BACK IN THE '70s, IT WAS MAYOR POE WHO SAID
11:30:05 HE DIDN'T WANT IT UNDER HIS AUTHORITY.
11:30:07 HENRY WILLIAMS THEN ATTORNEY WANTED IT UNDER THE MAYOR.
11:30:13 THE MAYOR SAID, UNH-UNH, WANT IT UNDER THE COUNCIL.
11:30:16 THAT'S HOW IT BECAME WHAT IT IS TODAY.
11:30:17 HOWEVER, BRANDING, LOOK AT CITY OF TAMPA WATER AND TAMPA BAY
11:30:20 WATER.
11:30:21 THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION THERE.
11:30:22 YOU'RE BRANDING, YOU UNDERSTAND, AND WE GET CALLS ALL THE
11:30:28 TIME FROM NEW TAMPA SAYING YOU WATER THIS, WATER THAT.
11:30:32 FOR SOUTH TAMPA, AND SOMETIMES OUR WATER.
11:30:35 SOMETIMES THEIR WATER.
11:30:37 IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED.
11:30:38 MAYBE WE OUGHT TO CHANGE OUR NAME.
11:30:41 THE PEOPLES OF TAMPA WATER.
11:30:44 ANYWAY.
11:30:45 I'M JUST SUGGESTING SOMETHING.
11:30:46 IT'S GOT TO BE DONE.
11:30:48 GOT TO BE LOOKED AT.
11:30:49 I DRIVE A CHEVY, BUT I DON'T DRIVE A CHEVY SILVERADO.
11:30:55 IT HAS A DIFFERENT NAME ON IT.
11:30:56 THANK YOU.
11:31:00 I'M SORRY IF YOU HAVE A CHEVY SILVERADO, MAYBE A FORD
11:31:03 RANGER, I SHOULD SAY.
11:31:05 >> SO GLAD CHARLIE IS HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE BORING MEETINGS.
11:31:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE CAN TELL THESE STORIES AND HOW THESE
11:31:14 THINGS COME TO PASS.
11:31:16 MR. DINGFELDER DID LIKE THAT ON THE PAGE AND EVERYONE IS
11:31:23 RIGHT.
11:31:23 IF WE ARE THE ACTING BODY, YOU TALK ABOUT BRANDING, WE ARE
11:31:33 THE COUNCIL.
11:31:34 WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN SEAL.
11:31:36 THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE TO WHERE
11:31:39 WE'RE A DIFFERENT BODY.
11:31:41 I KIND OF CONCUR WITH MR. CARLSON AND MR. DINGFELDER.
11:31:48 THAT MOVING FORWARD -- I GUESS I CAN WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND
11:31:54 PORTION, GO INTO MANAGEMENT, BECAUSE I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
11:31:57 MANAGEMENT.
11:31:59 I THINK WE MAY NEED TO LOOK INTO MAYBE REBRANDING IT SO
11:32:03 PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT DISTINCTION.
11:32:06 WE ARE THE GOVERNING BODY.
11:32:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE GET A LOGO OR NEW
11:32:16 SEAL.
11:32:16 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NOMENCLATURE IS RIGHT AND LEGALLY
11:32:19 CORRECT.
11:32:19 THE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND THIS WILL GET INTO
11:32:22 MAYBE LATER CONVERSATION, IF THE MAYOR PROPOSES SOMETHING
11:32:26 AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATION COMES TO US AS CITY COUNCIL AND
11:32:31 WE APPROVE IT, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE IT, WE CAN SAY WE
11:32:34 SUPPORTED THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL.
11:32:35 IN THE CASE OF THE CRA, THE BUCK STOPS WITH US.
11:32:37 IT COMPLETELY STOPS WITH US.
11:32:39 SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT MORE THAN WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
11:32:43 EVERYTHING ELSE WE APPROVE, THAT WE KNOW EVERYTHING GOING ON
11:32:46 WITH THE CRAs BECAUSE WE'RE COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
11:32:48 THAT'S WHAT IS MY MOTIVATION FOR ASKING ALL THE QUESTIONS.
11:32:52 IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST ANYBODY IN STAFF OR THE MAYOR OR
11:32:54 ANYBODY LIKE THAT.
11:32:55 IF THE BUCK STOPS WITH ME AND THE REST OF YOU ALL, I WANT TO
11:32:59 MAKE SURE WE KNOW.
11:33:01 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:33:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'RE STILL ON THE BUDGET, RIGHT?
11:33:05 ITEM 5?
11:33:07 >>JOE CITRO: YES.
11:33:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BENNETT, ONE OTHER THING THAT JUMPED
11:33:13 OUT AT ME LAST NIGHT, AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY COME IN ALSO ON
11:33:17 ITEM 10, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE BUDGET NOW, I
11:33:20 NEED TO BRING IT UP NOW.
11:33:21 WHEN I GO TO THE COMPENSATION PAGE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PART
11:33:28 OF THE AGREEMENT -- I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF
11:33:30 THE AGREEMENT EXCEPT FOR THE NUMBERS.
11:33:35 IN THE COMPENSATION PAGE, IT SPEAKS TO EACH -- THE
11:33:39 CONTRIBUTION FROM EACH ONE OF THE CRAs TO THE SALARIES AND
11:33:45 OPERATING FUNDS, WHICH IS MOSTLY SALARIES, OF THE VARIOUS
11:33:51 GREAT FOLKS WHO ARE OUT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE WORKING ON THE
11:33:55 CRA ISSUES.
11:33:57 COMES TO $1.7 MILLION.
11:33:59 MY QUESTION IS, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YOU OR
11:34:03 DENNIS, OUT OF THAT $1.7 MILLION, MR. McDONAUGH HE MUST
11:34:14 HAVE BEEN PAID I GUESS INCREMENTALLY OUT OF EACH ONE OF
11:34:18 THESE DIFFERENT TIF DISTRICTS BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING SORT OF
11:34:23 A GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE CATEGORY, WHICH ACTUALLY BRINGS UP
11:34:31 ANOTHER QUESTION, WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET AT ALL, WHICH IS
11:34:36 KIND OF INTERESTING, BECAUSE LET'S SAY FOR ARGUMENT SAKE,
11:34:40 WOULD WE WANT IT TO GO TO A STATE OR NATIONAL CRA MEETING,
11:34:46 WE AS THE CRA, WE HAVE NO BUDGET, WE HAVE NO STAFF, PER SE,
11:34:52 IN TERMS OF OUR OWN ISSUES.
11:34:56 SO THAT'S SORT OF TIED INTO THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION,
11:35:00 WHICH IS, AND I HATE TO BRING UP BOB McDONAUGH AND I WANT
11:35:02 TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO BOB McDONAUGH.
11:35:05 HE WORKED HARD ON THIS MANY, MANY YEARS.
11:35:07 HE'S A GOOD MAN AND I WISH HIM WELL.
11:35:09 ANYWAYS, IN REGARD TO HIS SALARY, HIS SALARY CAME OUT OF A
11:35:15 PORTION OF EACH ONE OF THESE, WHAT, PRO RATA SHARE?
11:35:21 >>JOHN BENNETT: I'LL LET MR. ROGERO ADDRESS THAT.
11:35:24 GOOD NEWS IS YOU'RE GETTING ME FOR FREE.
11:35:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE CHEAP AND EASY.
11:35:29 >>DENNIS ROGERO: HELLO.
11:35:30 DENNIS ROGERO, INTERIM CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
11:35:33 IN CONTRAST TO SOME OF THE OTHER PERSONNEL WITHIN THE CRA,
11:35:38 McDONAUGH'S SALARY WAS PAID HALF FROM THE CRA AND HALF
11:35:41 FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
11:35:42 AND IN TERMS OF THE PARTICULAR FUNDING SOURCES, IT WAS
11:35:45 PULLED FROM THE -- PRORATED FROM THE VARIOUS AGENCIES.
11:35:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THAT THE INTENT AT LEAST TODAY, THAT
11:35:53 THAT PROGRAM, THAT SALARY PROGRAM FOR THAT POSITION, WHICH
11:35:58 WE HAVEN'T FILLED YET, WOULD CONTINUE FINANCIALLY?
11:36:03 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES.
11:36:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THAT CLEAR WHAT MY QUESTION WAS?
11:36:06 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I BELIEVE SO, UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD.
11:36:11 >>JOHN BENNETT: I THINK PROGRAMMATICALLY, CORRECT, MOVING
11:36:13 INTO THE 2020 BUDGET.
11:36:15 BUT BECAUSE THAT POSITION IS BEING SOUGHT, I THINK WE'RE NOT
11:36:19 SETTLED ON THAT YET.
11:36:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M ACTUALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT, THAT IT
11:36:27 WAS HALF AND HALF.
11:36:28 CLEARLY, IN THE POSITION, AS BOB FILLED IT, MAYBE HALF THE
11:36:32 TIME HE WAS WORKING ON CRA ISSUES, BUT THE OTHER HALF HE WAS
11:36:34 WORKING ON PURE CITY ISSUES.
11:36:37 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE PHILOSOPHY.
11:36:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHERE THE SPLIT CAME FROM.
11:36:42 >>JOE CITRO: ANYTHING FURTHER?
11:36:45 >>BILL CARLSON: IT WAS IN, I THINK A TIMES ARTICLE AND
11:36:48 PUBLIC RECORD, BUT I THINK THE ARTICLE SAID THAT THE LAST
11:36:53 PERSON'S SALARY WAS LIKE 174 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:36:56 IS THAT THE TOTAL OF -- SO HALF OF THAT WAS FROM THE CRA AND
11:37:00 HALF OF IT WAS FROM THE CITY BUDGET?
11:37:06 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR, INCLUDING BENEFITS.
11:37:08 I SHOULD SAY IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE BENEFITS, NOT JUST THE
11:37:11 SALARY.
11:37:13 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. BENNETT, THROUGH THE CRA, CAN WE OFFER
11:37:15 YOU MORE THAN THE MAYOR OFFERED YOU SO WE CAN BRING YOU OVER
11:37:18 TO US?
11:37:19 >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST WANT US ALL TO MOVE FORWARD.
11:37:22 WHATEVER THAT TAKES.
11:37:22 I'M ENJOYING THE INTERIM PROCESS AND THIS SPACE SO WE CAN
11:37:26 ALL CONNECT TO EVERYDAY BUSINESS.
11:37:31 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:37:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WILL BE
11:37:34 ABLE TO INDICATE THAT IN THE BUDGET HERE.
11:37:41 I'M HOPING IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO INDICATE THAT IN
11:37:44 THE BUDGET.
11:37:45 AGAIN, IT'S NOT INDICATED ANYWHERE, AND IT BRINGS THE
11:37:49 QUESTION.
11:37:49 HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO INSERT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
11:37:53 >>JOHN BENNETT: I'M USED TO SEEING MORE LINE ITEMS UNPACKED.
11:37:57 I THINK THAT BUBBLES UP FROM THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN AND
11:38:00 MAYBE AN OVERARCHING ADMINISTRATIVE PLAN AS WELL.
11:38:02 I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO LEGAL ABOUT WHAT MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT
11:38:06 UP ABOUT TRAVEL AND EXPENSES.
11:38:08 I BELIEVE THERE'S -- AGAIN, GOING OUT ON A LIMB, I THINK
11:38:11 THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOVER THAT, BUT I ALSO THINK WE
11:38:14 WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT AS A SPACE SO YOU CAN DO SOME OF
11:38:17 THESE THINGS AND RECEIVE THE REIMBURSEMENTS FOR IT.
11:38:20 AM I CORRECT?
11:38:21 I DID READ THAT.
11:38:23 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO, I THINK,
11:38:26 APPROVE THE BUDGET, AM I CORRECT?
11:38:28 CAN I JUST ASK -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT BUT
11:38:31 MINUS PAGES 50 THROUGH 59, THAT'S THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
11:38:36 WE'RE NOT APPROVING THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
11:38:38 WE'RE ONLY APPROVING THE BUDGET.
11:38:41 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT.
11:38:41 WE PULLED THE SERVICE AGREEMENT OUT.
11:38:44 >>BILL CARLSON: I MAY HAVE AN OLDER COPY.
11:38:48 BUT IT'S THIS DOCUMENT WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT.
11:38:50 OKAY.
11:38:57 >>JOE CITRO: I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF COUNCILMAN
11:39:00 DINGFELDER WAS IN HERE SO HE CAN ALSO CAST HIS VOTE.
11:39:03 HE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS BUDGET IN ITEM
11:39:06 AGENDA NUMBER 5.
11:39:08 PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD, CHIEF.
11:39:10 SIDEBAR IS A SIDEBAR AND THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
11:39:31 OF COURSE, YOU DID HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS.
11:39:32 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOUR VOTE WAS HEARD.
11:39:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE THAT.
11:39:35 >>JOE CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM AGENDA 5 FOR THE
11:39:37 BUDGET.
11:39:38 WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:39:42 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:39:43 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:39:44 ANY OPPOSED?
11:39:47 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:39:49 >>JOE CITRO: NOW, ONE MORE THING BEFORE YOU GO OUT AND HAVE
11:39:52 ANOTHER SIDEBAR, COUNCILMAN, WE ARE APPROACHING THE 12:00
11:39:56 HOUR.
11:39:57 I FORESEE MAYBE THE NEXT ONE, TWO, OR THREE TO BE GOING
11:40:02 ALONG VERY QUICKLY.
11:40:03 HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE ITEMS 3 AND 10, WHICH IS PART OF A
11:40:07 WORKSHOP.
11:40:07 ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF MOTION ON OUR BREAK?
11:40:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAY WE TAKE CARE OF 6, 7, 8 AND 9, AND
11:40:17 THEN BREAK AT 12 OR 12:15, WHATEVER WE NEED, AND THEN COME
11:40:21 BACK AT 1 FOR ITEMS 10 AND 3 SINCE THEY PROBABLY WILL BE
11:40:26 LENGTHY.
11:40:28 >>JOE CITRO: IS EVERYONE ACCEPTABLE TO THAT?
11:40:31 >>LUIS VIERA: I PROBABLY HAVE TO BREAK AROUND 2:15 OR SO.
11:40:35 WE SHOULD BE OUT BY THEN.
11:40:38 >>JOE CITRO: BREAKING AT 12, COMING BACK AT 12:45?
11:40:42 IS THAT AGREEABLE TO EVERYONE?
11:40:44 ALL RIGHT.
11:40:45 FINE, LET'S HEAR ITEM NUMBER 6 THEN, PLEASE.
11:40:49 OR WHAT IS THE BOARD'S -- EXCUSE ME.
11:40:52 I'M SORRY, CHIEF.
11:40:53 ITEM NUMBER 6.
11:40:56 >>JOHN BENNETT: YEP.
11:40:57 I THINK WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
11:41:09 >> GOOD MORNING, MICHELLE VAN LOAN, ECONOMIC AND URBAN
11:41:16 DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO THE FACADE GRANT COORDINATOR.
11:41:18 BEFORE I GO INTO 6 AND 7, I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE
11:41:21 QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT THE FACADE.
11:41:23 AT THE LAST MEETING YOU DID REQUEST THAT WE REVIEW SOME OF
11:41:26 THE TENETS AND CRITERIA FOR THE PROGRAM AND THAT WE RESEARCH
11:41:30 IT AND LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.
11:41:32 WE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK TO OUR CACs AND RESEARCHING WHAT
11:41:35 IS DONE IN OTHER FACADE PROGRAMS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
11:41:38 WE JUST DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO ALL OF THAT,
11:41:41 ESPECIALLY GOING BACK TO OUR CACs, GIVEN THE LABOR DAY
11:41:45 HOLIDAY BEFORE YOU MET TODAY.
11:41:46 IT IS ON OUR AGENDA AND WE ARE SCHEDULED TO COME BACK TO YOU
11:41:49 IN OCTOBER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE IDEAS AND THE FEEDBACK
11:41:51 FROM OUR CACs.
11:41:52 ADDITIONALLY, AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU DID TELL US TO MOVE
11:41:56 FORWARD WITH WHAT WAS IN THE PIPELINE.
11:41:57 THE THREE THAT ARE ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY HAD ALREADY BEEN
11:42:01 SUBMITTED AND WERE IN THE WORKS.
11:42:02 THEY ARE THE LAST ONES IN THE PIPELINE, AND WE DO NOT
11:42:05 CURRENTLY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS THAT HAD BEEN
11:42:09 SUBMITTED SINCE THESE THREE.
11:42:11 SO WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GO AHEAD WITH
11:42:14 ITEM NUMBER 6.
11:42:16 >>JOE CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:42:19 >> OUR FIRST ONE ON THE ELMO PAGE IS IN EAST TAMPA.
11:42:26 I'LL TRY AND GET A BETTER PICTURE.
11:42:29 THIS IS THE ALL PERFECTO GARCIA CIGAR FACTORY.
11:42:32 IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.
11:42:35 WE DO HAVE A NEW OWNER.
11:42:37 THE NEW OWNER IS IN THE PROCESS OF RIGHT NOW DOING EMERGENCY
11:42:40 REPAIRS.
11:42:41 I'LL SWITCH TO THIS PICTURE THAT SHOWS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE
11:42:45 DIRECTLY.
11:42:45 YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE TOWER.
11:42:50 MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE TOWER.
11:42:52 THEY ARE TRYING IN THE FIRST PHASE TO DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN
11:42:54 TO PREVENT ANY FURTHER WATER INTRUSION BOTH OF THESE WINDOWS
11:42:59 BEING SO OLD AND THE SHUTTERS, IF THEY DON'T DO SOMETHING
11:43:04 IMMINENTLY SOON, THE WALLS WILL START COLLAPSING.
11:43:07 THE FIRST PHASE IS TO PUT IN NEW WINDOWS AND THEN ALSO THE
11:43:10 SHUTTERS.
11:43:10 YOU CAN SEE ON THAT BOTTOM WHERE THE SHUTTERS ARE ALL AT
11:43:15 GROUND LEVEL AND THEN AT THAT FIRST FLOOR OF WINDOWS.
11:43:18 THEY ARE ALSO PURSUING GRANTS FROM THE COUNTY AND HISTORIC
11:43:22 PRESERVATION IN ORDER TO DO A LOT OF THIS PROJECT.
11:43:26 THIS BUILDING IS VERY HOLD.
11:43:28 IT HAS BEEN LEFT TO DECAY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
11:43:30 AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT RESOURCES ARE NEEDED TO MAKE THIS
11:43:34 PROJECT HAPPEN.
11:43:35 THE CURRENT FACADE GRANT IS JUST FOR THOSE SHUTTERS THAT YOU
11:43:39 SEE.
11:43:39 IT IS ON THREE SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
11:43:41 THREE VERY LONG SIDES, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THIS PICTURE, TO
11:43:46 DO ALL THE SHUTTERS, THEY ARE SEPARATELY DOING ALL THE
11:43:50 WINDOWS, AND THEY DID RECEIVE A PRELIMINARY GRANT FROM THE
11:43:53 COUNTY, AND THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE THE RESTORATION OF THE
11:43:55 TOWER AND THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION FOR THAT WATER TOWER.
11:44:00 >>JOE CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS.
11:44:02 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:44:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THIS SPECIFIC FACADE GRANT,
11:44:05 $200,000 OWNER INVESTMENT, 50,000 FROM US, BUT SINCE THE
11:44:09 TOPIC OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CIGAR FACTORIES HAS COME UP
11:44:12 IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WE'RE
11:44:16 PRESERVING OUR HISTORY, LOOKING AT OTHER GRANTS, BUT THEY
11:44:18 ARE DOING WHAT IS RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THIS BUILDING, AS
11:44:22 IMPORTANT AS IT IS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
11:44:25 SHUTTERED FOR 20 YEARS, I THINK IT'S BEING PUT TO GOOD USE,
11:44:29 THE MONEY.
11:44:30 AND THEY ARE DOING THEIR PART.
11:44:31 IT'S NOT EVEN MATCHING.
11:44:33 THEY ARE DOING 200 GRAND TO THE 50,000.
11:44:39 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:44:41 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:44:43 >>BILL CARLSON: EARLIER, I SAID I WOULDN'T VOTE ON ANY MORE
11:44:46 FACADE GRANTS BUT THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THESE ARE
11:44:49 THE LAST THREE IN THE PIPELINE.
11:44:51 THESE ARE THE THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN AND
11:44:53 HELPING AND I WOULD PUT IT UNDER HISTORIC PRESERVATION
11:44:56 INSTEAD OF A FACADE GRANT.
11:44:58 I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AS A PROJECT STANDING ALONE, ASSUMING
11:45:01 THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH IT.
11:45:03 >>JOE CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
11:45:04 >> SO MOVED.
11:45:06 >>JOE CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:45:10 ITEM NUMBER 6.
11:45:12 MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:45:14 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:45:16 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:45:17 ALL OPPOSED?
11:45:19 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:45:24 >> ITEM 7 IS A FACADE GRANT FROM DREW PARK.
11:45:28 THIS IS A LITTLE BUILDING AGAIN THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A
11:45:31 COUPLE OF YEARS AT 4407 NORTH CLARK.
11:45:35 THEIR REQUEST IS 21,368.
11:45:41 YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S BEEN OVERGROWN.
11:45:45 THE WHOLE FRONT.
11:45:46 LOST ANY SEMBLANCE OF ASPHALT ON THE FRONT.
11:45:49 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, TREES HAVE COMPLETELY AND
11:45:52 BRUSH HAVE OVERGROWN THAT ENTIRE AREA.
11:45:54 THAT PAINT HAS LONG BEEN GONE.
11:45:56 SO THE NEW OWNER IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY CLEANING UP THE
11:46:00 FRONT, THAT RUSTED OLD FENCE AND GATE WILL BE REPLACED.
11:46:06 THE FRONT WILL BE DONE BOTH IN THE BUILDING AND THE
11:46:08 LANDSCAPING AND THE PARKING, ADDING LIGHTING, AND THEY WILL
11:46:10 COMPLETELY TURN IT INTO A STUCCO.
11:46:12 SO IT WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WEATHER RESISTANCE THAN
11:46:15 THE WOODEN SIDING IT CURRENTLY HAS NOW.
11:46:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS THAT?
11:46:23 >> HE'S GOING TO BE DOING TRAINING FOR PLUMBERS.
11:46:29 >> SO MOVED.
11:46:30 >> SECOND.
11:46:30 >>JOE CITRO: ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 7, RESOLUTION, MOVED BY
11:46:36 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:46:37 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:46:39 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:46:40 ANY OPPOSED?
11:46:42 WAS THERE AN OPPOSED?
11:46:47 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
11:46:52 >> THANK YOU.
11:46:52 AND YBOR IS COMING UP NEXT.
11:46:57 >> HELLO, EVERYONE.
11:46:58 I'M BRENDA THROWER WITH YBOR CITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
11:47:04 I PRETTY MUCH MANAGE THE FACADE PROGRAM IN THAT DISTRICT.
11:47:07 I'M HERE WITH THE HISTORIC FACADE OF THE GERMAN AMERICAN
11:47:14 CLUB.
11:47:14 IF YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TERM GERMAN AMERICAN
11:47:17 CLUB, IT'S A SOCIAL CLUB.
11:47:21 WE DON'T HAVE MANY IN YBOR CITY, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
11:47:23 PROBABLY NONE OF YOU REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS OPERATING, MAYBE
11:47:26 SOME DO.
11:47:27 IT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
11:47:29 IT WAS WHERE THE GERMANS HAD THEIR SOCIAL CLUB.
11:47:32 AFTER WORLD WAR I, WHEN THERE WAS CITYWIDE HATRED OF
11:47:36 GERMANS, THEY CLOSED DOWN.
11:47:38 THEIR MEMBERSHIP WENT WAY DOWN, AND IT ENDED UP PRETTY MUCH
11:47:41 BEING A VACANT BUILDING.
11:47:42 THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER USES THAT WENT INTO IT.
11:47:45 THE TAMPA LABOR TEMPLE WAS IN IT, THE YOUNG MEN'S HEBREW
11:47:50 ASSOCIATION, AN INSURANCE COMPANY AT SOME POINT.
11:47:53 IN 1990, THE CITY OF TAMPA MOVED INTO IT.
11:47:55 I KNOW IT WELL BECAUSE IT WAS MY OFFICE.
11:47:58 IT WAS RENOVATED SLIGHTLY IN 1990.
11:48:02 LET ME GIVE YOU A BETTER PICTURE.
11:48:10 THIS IS THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
11:48:11 IT'S ON THE CORNER OF PALM AND NEBRASKA.
11:48:13 HERE IS THE BUILDING TODAY.
11:48:18 OF WHERE IT SITS.
11:48:22 FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT LOOKS FINE, RIGHT, BUT
11:48:25 IT'S NOT?
11:48:26 IT'S GOT A PROBLEM.
11:48:28 IT'S GOT SEVERAL PROBLEMS.
11:48:30 IT'S GOT SOMETHING CALLED SPALLING CONCRETE.
11:48:34 IF YOU LOOK UP CLOSE AND YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING,
11:48:42 THERE'S CRUMBLING CONCRETE THAT'S COMING OFF THE SIDES OF
11:48:45 THE WINDOWS, IN PART OF THE BRICK.
11:48:48 ONE RIGHT HERE.
11:48:49 CAN YOU SEE THIS ONE?
11:48:50 THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.
11:48:54 AND HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
11:48:57 LOOKING UP.
11:48:58 I'M SORRY, THESE ARE MY BLACK-AND-WHITE PHOTOGRAPHS.
11:49:01 I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS GOING TO GET THIS DETAILED TODAY.
11:49:03 BUT THIS IS WHAT THE OWNER BROUGHT TO US.
11:49:06 SO FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND HERE ARE SOME MORE PICTURES.
11:49:10 I HAVE ALL OF THESE AS PART OF THE FILE IF YOU WANT TO SEE
11:49:13 THEM UP CLOSE.
11:49:14 THIS BUILDING SAT VACANT.
11:49:15 IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
11:49:17 WE, BEING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET
11:49:22 DEVELOPERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
11:49:23 WE HAD PROMINENT DEVELOPERS LOOK AT IT AND THEY ALL TURNED
11:49:26 AWAY.
11:49:27 FINALLY, THERE WAS ONE DEVELOPER IN PARTNERSHIP WITH METRO
11:49:29 CHARITIES, WHICH IS LOCATED ON 7th AVENUE, AND THEY
11:49:32 PARTNERED UP WITH CAN DEVELOPERS.
11:49:34 THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, AND THEY PARTNERED UP WITH PARK
11:49:40 DEVELOPERS TO TURN IT INTO AN INCLUSIVE HEALTH CARE CLINIC.
11:49:43 MANY OF YOU WENT TO -- OR SEVERAL OF YOU WENT TO THE
11:49:46 GROUNDBREAKING.
11:49:46 I FIND THIS AN INTERESTING STORY BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING FROM
11:49:51 AN INSTITUTION THAT WAS -- THAT HAD DISCRIMINATION AGAINST
11:49:55 THEM TO ONE THAT'S BEING COMPLETELY INCLUSIVE.
11:49:57 AND THIS IS PART OF A BIGGER PROJECT.
11:50:00 LET ME SHOW YOU THIS ONE FIRST.
11:50:02 IT IS GOING TO BE METRO WELLNESS CLINIC.
11:50:06 THIS IS THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
11:50:08 NEXT TO THAT, THEY ARE BUILDING AN ADDITION WHICH THEY ARE
11:50:12 REMOVING AN INTERSTATE SIGN THERE.
11:50:15 WHEN WE DO THESE FACADE GRANTS, WE ONLY PUT MONEY, AT LEAST
11:50:20 IN YBOR, WE ONLY DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
11:50:23 MOST OF THE PROJECTS, I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF ONE THAT WASN'T
11:50:26 INVOLVING AN HISTORIC BUILDING.
11:50:28 WE ALSO LOOK AT THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE'RE NOT
11:50:30 GOING TO DO ALL FOUR SIDES.
11:50:31 THEY'LL COME AND GIVE ME A BUDGET SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS MY
11:50:34 FACADE BUDGET.
11:50:36 WELL, WE ACTUALLY PRORATE IT SO THAT IT HAS TO BE VISIBLE
11:50:40 FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
11:50:40 THE ONLY SIDES WE'RE FUNDING THERE THIS THE EAST AND SOUTH
11:50:44 SIDE.
11:50:44 YOU'VE SEEN MANY THAT HAVE COME BEFORE YOU.
11:50:48 CENTRO ASTURIANO, WHERE WE DID THREE SIDES.
11:50:51 I DIDN'T CONSIDER THE ONE FACING THE WEST.
11:50:53 SO THE BUDGET FOR THEM IS WAY BEYOND -- I'M JUST GOING TO
11:50:58 GIVE YOU THE FACADE BUDGET.
11:50:59 THAT'S ALL REALLY WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY.
11:51:01 BUT IT'S ABOUT $116,000.
11:51:03 WE ARE FUNDING, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE FULL 50.
11:51:09 THE ACTUAL FACADE OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING WAS OVER 200.
11:51:13 BUT WE ONLY LOOKED AT 116 OF IT BECAUSE OF THE TWO SIDES.
11:51:17 AND THEY ARE PUTTING IN 83,000.
11:51:21 THE BUILDING, THE PROJECT IS MUCH LARGER THAN THIS, AS YOU
11:51:26 KNOW.
11:51:26 IT'S GOING TO BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING INVESTED
11:51:30 INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
11:51:31 ANY QUESTIONS?
11:51:34 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:51:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A FEW COMMENTS.
11:51:38 YOU SAID IT BEGAN AS A COMMUNITY RESOURCE AND IT'S COMING
11:51:41 BACK TO SERVING THE COMMUNITY, NOT IN THE SAME CAPACITY.
11:51:45 MUTUAL AID, GERMAN AMERICAN CLUB TO WHAT IT IS NOW.
11:51:49 WHEN THE ALL TBX DISCUSSION CAME UP IN 2015, PEOPLE WERE
11:51:53 WORRIED, BECAUSE PEOPLE ASKED ME WITH THE POTENTIAL WIDENING
11:51:56 OF THE INTERSTATE AND THE EXPRESS LANES, WHAT WAS GOING TO
11:51:59 HAPPEN TO THAT BUILDING?
11:52:01 PLANS HAVE CHANGED.
11:52:02 THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT I'M GLAD
11:52:04 TO SEE THIS BUILDING IS BEING PRESERVED BECAUSE TO BUILD
11:52:06 SOMETHING LIKE THAT TODAY WOULD BE OVER BUDGET.
11:52:09 CENTRO ASTURIANO, CUBAN CLUB, ITALIAN CLUB, GOING BACK TO,
11:52:15 THIS IS A COMMUNITY ASSET, IT'S BEING GIVEN BACK ESSENTIALLY
11:52:19 TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BENEFIT A WIDE RANGE OF
11:52:21 INDIVIDUALS.
11:52:22 AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACADE GRANT, MAKES SENSE TO
11:52:28 SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE AGAIN HISTORIC
11:52:30 PRESERVATION AND SOMETHING THAT ESSENTIALLY IS GIVING BACK
11:52:32 TO THE PEOPLE.
11:52:33 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:52:34 NO.
11:52:36 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:52:38 >>BILL CARLSON: AGAIN, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE
11:52:41 LAST ONE OF THIS SERIES BEFORE WE CHANGE THE RULES, AND THAT
11:52:46 IT'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THIS
11:52:49 BUILDING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE IT ALSO.
11:52:51 I WOULD PUT THIS IN THE CATEGORY OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION
11:52:53 GRANT INSTEAD OF FACADE GRANT.
11:52:55 I WOULD SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT BUILDING TO
11:52:58 PRESERVE.
11:53:00 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS REPORT.
11:53:03 ONE LAST COMMENT BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
11:53:08 MY BROTHER AT THE END MIGHT ALSO REMEMBER THIS WAS A MASONIC
11:53:12 LODGE AT ONE TIME.
11:53:13 I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT F.D.O.T.
11:53:16 WANTING TO TEAR THIS GREAT BUILDING DOWN.
11:53:19 I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
11:53:21 >> SO MOVED.
11:53:22 >>JOE CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO REGARDING
11:53:25 THE RESOLUTION ITEM NUMBER 8, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
11:53:29 MIRANDA.
11:53:29 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:53:31 ANY OPPOSED?
11:53:31 THANK YOU.
11:53:32 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:53:40 >>JOE CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 9.
11:53:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER,
11:53:48 SO AS I WAS GOING THROUGH ITEM NUMBER 9 AND SPECIFICALLY THE
11:53:56 ACTUAL CONTRACT THAT I WANTED TO TALK TO MS. ZELMAN ABOUT,
11:54:01 THERE WERE SOME LEGAL ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS AND
11:54:09 THINGS THAT, FRANKLY, IN LIGHT OF OUR TIME CONSTRAINTS, THAT
11:54:14 WAS MY, QUOTE, SIDEBAR CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH STAFF.
11:54:17 I SAID IF WE DEFER THIS FOR A MONTH SO I CAN GET MY
11:54:21 QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
11:54:24 DID THEY HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH THAT IN REGARD TO THE
11:54:28 OVERALL PROJECT.
11:54:29 >>JOE CITRO: I WOULDN'T MIND.
11:54:30 I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE BOARD.
11:54:31 WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
11:54:32 IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WANT TO POSTPONE THIS.
11:54:35 CAN YOU ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS YOU ASKED THEM SO WE FULLY
11:54:38 UNDERSTAND SO WE MIGHT BACK YOU ON THAT POSTPONEMENT?
11:54:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, FRANKLY, MY PREFERENCE IS TO DEFER
11:54:46 IT A MONTH BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO SOME ENGINEERING AND
11:54:51 DRAWINGS THAT I HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IN MY INITIAL
11:54:55 PACKET.
11:54:56 NOW I'M SEEING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCLUDED, AND I APOLOGIZE
11:55:00 ROB.
11:55:00 BUT LAST NIGHT, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM.
11:55:03 STAFF TELLS ME THERE'S NO HARM IN DEFERRING THAT, AND I WILL
11:55:08 BE GLAD TO SHARE MY QUESTIONS WITH COUNCIL OR WITH THIS BODY
11:55:12 NEXT MONTH.
11:55:13 BUT THAT'S MY PREFERENCE IS TO CONTINUE IT FOR ONE MONTH.
11:55:17 AND STAFF INDICATED THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
11:55:20 >> SO MOVED.
11:55:23 >>JOE CITRO: MR. ROSNER.
11:55:26 >>ROB ROSNER: I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE CLIENT'S ATTORNEY.
11:55:28 THE DEMOLITION IS ABOUT TO OCCUR AND SOME OF THESE THINGS
11:55:34 ARE TIED TO IT BUT NOT 100% TIED TO IT.
11:55:37 THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WORK IS NOT TIED DIRECTLY TO IT, BUT
11:55:41 THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF -- THE DEMOLITION PORTION THAT'S
11:55:44 COMING UP THAT COULD POSSIBLY IMPACT IT.
11:55:46 IF WE COULD ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS TODAY, IT WOULD BE
11:55:50 GREAT.
11:55:50 IF NOT, WE CAN DEFER.
11:55:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THEY MIGHT
11:55:55 WANT IT TO BE APPROVED TODAY, BUT, FRANKLY, MY QUESTIONS
11:56:01 PROBABLY WILL TAKE A HALF HOUR OR SO, AND THAT'S WITHOUT ME
11:56:06 EVEN HAVING A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS.
11:56:11 THAT'S MY PREFERENCE.
11:56:12 I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
11:56:15 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN THAT BE DONE DURING THE BREAK, YOUR
11:56:19 QUESTIONS?
11:56:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DURING MY LUNCH BREAK?
11:56:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL GIVE YOU MY 45 MINUTES.
11:56:34 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST MAYBE WE ASK THE
11:56:38 APPLICANT.
11:56:40 >>JOE CITRO: YES, CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT?
11:56:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY ARE NOT AN APPLICANT --
11:56:48 >> MARILYN HEALY, REPRESENTING ALV.
11:56:52 I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK TO YOU RECONSIDER DEFERRING AND
11:56:56 HERE'S WHY.
11:56:57 THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR A LONG TIME, AND THE CITY
11:57:02 CAME TO US A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND ASKED THE DEVELOPER IF
11:57:06 THEY COULD INCLUDE THIS WORK IN THEIR DEMO AND ALL OF THAT
11:57:10 BECAUSE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FROM A COST AND TIMING
11:57:13 STANDPOINT.
11:57:14 WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE STRAZ TO STAY AWAY FROM THEIR
11:57:17 BROADWAY SEASON, WHICH BECOMES IN EARNEST EARLY NOVEMBER.
11:57:24 IF THIS GETS DELAYED YET ANOTHER MONTH, IT WILL PUSH ALL OUR
11:57:28 CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS BACK, OUR PERMITTING IS GOING TO BE
11:57:30 PUSHED BACK, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY IN A TIGHT
11:57:34 SQUEEZE.
11:57:35 SO I KNOW THAT THIS COMES BACK BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ON THE
11:57:41 19th FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PART OF IT.
11:57:46 I WAS HOPING THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED
11:57:50 BETWEEN NOW AND THEN SO THAT THE WHOLE PROJECT WOULDN'T BE
11:57:53 DELAYED.
11:57:54 RESPECTFULLY, I'D ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER OR ADDRESS
11:58:03 EVERYTHING --
11:58:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
11:58:04 IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL'S PREFERENCE IS.
11:58:05 I'LL FIRE AWAY.
11:58:08 >>JOE CITRO: ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD DOESN'T MIND TAKING AN
11:58:11 EXTRA 15 MINUTES SO WE CAN HEAR THE REQUEST HE IS THAT
11:58:14 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS TO ASK AND THEN WE CAN MAKE OUR
11:58:16 DECISIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE MOTION?
11:58:20 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, PLEASE PROCEED.
11:58:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:58:24 IN REGARD TO THE RESOLUTION IT SAYS THE AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN
11:58:29 AMERICAN LAND VENTURES LLC BUT THEN WHEN I GO OVER TO THE
11:58:35 ACTUAL AGREEMENT, IT SAYS THAT THE AGREEMENT IS BETWEEN THE
11:58:41 CRA AND ALV RESIDENCES ON THE RIVER LLC.
11:58:47 SEEMS TO BE AN INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE RESOLUTION.
11:58:50 I TOLD YOU YOU GUYS WOULD HATE THIS, BETWEEN THE RESOLUTION
11:58:55 AND THE AGREEMENT.
11:58:59 >> THE AGREEMENT IS CORRECT.
11:59:00 MY APOLOGIES --
11:59:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE RESOLUTION NEEDS TO BE CHANGED?
11:59:05 >> WE CAN AMEND IT, YES.
11:59:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:59:08 HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT $1.147 MILLION
11:59:18 WHEN LATER IN THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT, THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, IT
11:59:22 SAYS WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS GOING TO
11:59:25 BE.
11:59:25 THERE SEEMS TO BE AN INCONSISTENCY THERE.
11:59:27 >>ROB ROSNER: OKAY.
11:59:31 FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WERE ESTIMATING WHAT THE RIVERWALK
11:59:34 IMPROVEMENTS WERE GOING TO BE.
11:59:37 WE HAD APPROACHED AND SAID, HEY, WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE
11:59:39 DOING THIS WORK, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND ADD THE EXTRA WORK.
11:59:43 WE CAN GET ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS DONE ONCE --
11:59:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY QUESTION IS SPECIFIC.
11:59:49 SOMEWHERE IN THIS AGREEMENT I READ LAST NIGHT, WE REALLY
11:59:53 DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE,
11:59:56 BUT THEN WE COME UP WITH THIS AMOUNT OF 1.147 PLUS A HUNDRED
12:00:02 THOUSAND DOLLAR CONTINGENCY.
12:00:06 >>ROB ROSNER: CORRECT.
12:00:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE KNOW OR DON'T KNOW?
12:00:09 IS THIS A NUMBER OUR ESTIMATORS HAVE COME UP WITH.
12:00:13 >>ROB ROSNER: YES, ESTIMATE.
12:00:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A NUMBER WE WOULD PAY IF WE WERE DOING IT
12:00:16 OURSELVES.
12:00:17 >>ROB ROSNER: PROBABLY WE WOULD PAY MORE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT
12:00:19 HAVING TO PAY ADDITIONAL MOBILIZATION COSTS.
12:00:24 WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH AS LONG OF A PROCUREMENT
12:00:27 PROCESS.
12:00:27 WE WOULD BE SAVING IN A LOT OF OTHER WAYS.
12:00:31 DON'T HAVE TO TEAR UP SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY DONE
12:00:34 TO ADD THE OTHER THINGS.
12:00:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
12:00:38 SECTION 4 OF THE CONTRACT ITSELF, IT SAYS FUNDING WILL ONLY
12:00:42 BE FOR ACTUAL COSTS OF THE RIVERWALK INFRASTRUCTURE
12:00:45 IMPROVEMENTS AS PROPERLY DOCUMENTED BY THE DEVELOPER TO THE
12:00:48 SATISFACTION OF THE AGENCY AT ITS SOLE DISCRETION.
12:00:51 ALTERNATIVELY, IF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GREATER THAN 1.147
12:00:55 MILLION, THE CITY AND THE AGENCY SHALL AMEND THE AGREEMENT
12:00:59 AS FOLLOWS.
12:00:59 SO THAT'S -- MY NEXT QUESTION IS, DID THEY GET TO PAY
12:01:08 THEMSELVES FOR -- IS THIS JUST OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSES THAT
12:01:12 TOTAL 1.147?
12:01:13 OR DO THEY PAY THEMSELVES FOR BEING THE GC ON THIS SEGMENT
12:01:19 AND THEREFORE THEY COULD ADD AN EXTRA 10% FOR THEIR OWN
12:01:24 CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS FOR THIS PROJECT AND THEN COME BACK TO
12:01:28 US AND SAY WE ACTUALLY NEED MORE?
12:01:34 >>ROB ROSNER: THAT WAS A LONG QUESTION.
12:01:35 LET ME BREAK IT DOWN.
12:01:37 IT WAS INTENDED TO BE AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT, IT INCLUDES THE
12:01:44 DESIGN TO GO WITH THAT.
12:01:45 IN THAT RESPECT, IT'S LIKE DESIGN-BUILD, WITH WHAT WE DID
12:01:49 WITH SBP, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO REDO
12:01:52 EVERYTHING.
12:01:53 THEY HAD A BIG IDEA OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
12:01:56 WE'RE METERING THAT OUT AS THE PROJECTS ARE KNOWN TO US.
12:02:01 WHEN PHASE ONE, STAGE 2, THEY CAME AND SAID WE DID THE
12:02:04 DESIGN, $9.8 MILLION, THEN WE APPROVE THAT.
12:02:08 THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, BUT IN A SINGLE ESTIMATE.
12:02:11 WE THINK IT WILL COST $450,000.
12:02:14 WE GOT SOME ESTIMATES FOR HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST FOR THE
12:02:17 ENGINEERING FOR DOING THAT, AND ASKED THEM TO CARRY THAT,
12:02:20 AND WE WOULD DO THIS AS REIMBURSEMENT AS WE DO WITH SOME
12:02:23 OTHER --
12:02:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS, DO THEY GET TO
12:02:26 PAY THEMSELVES?
12:02:27 IN OTHER WORDS, WE'VE COME UP WITH 1.147 MILLION AS AN
12:02:31 ESTIMATE.
12:02:32 IS THAT PRETTY MUCH JUST A PASS-THROUGH AMOUNT OR DO THEY
12:02:35 GET TO PAY THEMSELVES AS THE GC FOR THIS?
12:02:38 THE REASON I ASK IT, THIS BENEFITS THEM, TOO.
12:02:42 I MEAN, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BUILDING THE CONDO PROJECT
12:02:45 ADJACENT TO IT.
12:02:48 AND THEY ARE AGREEING TO DO THIS, I CAN'T HELP BUT ASSUME
12:02:51 THIS BENEFITS THEM, BUT DO THEY GET TO PAY THEMSELVES?
12:02:56 >>ROB ROSNER: YEAH, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE SOFT
12:02:59 COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH MANAGING THE PROJECT JUST AS WE
12:03:02 WOULD HAVE OUR OWN SOFT COSTS.
12:03:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S NOT SPELLED OUT NECESSARILY IN
12:03:05 HERE.
12:03:06 >>ROB ROSNER: THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE COST, NOT
12:03:09 INCLUDED, JUST STRAIGHT INSTRUCTION.
12:03:10 THAT WOULD BE AN ESTIMATED CONTRACT COST THAT WE WOULD HAVE.
12:03:13 WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY GENERAL CONDITIONS AND NORMAL STUFF
12:03:16 THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR ANY CONTRACTOR.
12:03:18 YES, THOSE SOFT COSTS.
12:03:20 ARE THEY PAYING THEMSELVES TO ADMINISTER THIS?
12:03:24 NOT SPECIFICALLY.
12:03:25 THEY ARE DOING THIS AS PART OF THE TOTAL BUT ALSO DOING THE
12:03:28 ENTIRE ROADWAY PROJECT IN THE SAME SENSE.
12:03:30 WE'RE BASICALLY ADDING THIS AS AN ADD ALTERNATE TO THAT
12:03:34 ROADWAY PROJECT.
12:03:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE
12:03:37 TO PAY THEMSELVES THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
12:03:41 OF MANAGING THIS PORTION.
12:03:43 >>ROB ROSNER: NO.
12:03:43 I'M SAYING JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, THE
12:03:46 CONTRACT MANAGER WOULD BE PAYING THEMSELVES TO MANAGE IT AND
12:03:49 BUY UP CONTRACTS AND ALL THE THINGS THEY DO AS A GC.
12:03:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE 1.147
12:03:54 ESTIMATE.
12:03:55 >>ROB ROSNER: YES, YES.
12:03:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ABOUT DISPUTE RESOLUTION?
12:04:00 YOU GO INTO -- THIS IS ON PAGE 3 AND PAGE 4 OF THE CONTRACT
12:04:05 ITSELF.
12:04:05 TYPICALLY THESE CONTRACTS SPEAK TO DISPUTE RESOLUTION.
12:04:10 OFTEN THEY REFER THE PARTIES TO MEDIATION AND ARBITRATION.
12:04:14 IT'S NOT THERE.
12:04:20 >>ROB ROSNER: THIS IS APPROVAL FOR FUNDING.
12:04:22 AGAIN, THE FINAL AGREEMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME THROUGH THE
12:04:24 NEXT MEETING.
12:04:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
12:04:25 THIS IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CRA AND THIS ORGANIZATION --
12:04:30 >>ROB ROSNER: I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION NOW.
12:04:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. HEALY IS REPRESENTING.
12:04:34 I'M READING FROM THE CONTRACT, I DON'T SEE A DISPUTE
12:04:38 RESOLUTION PARAGRAPH.
12:04:40 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MR. DINGFELDER, I APOLOGIZE.
12:04:43 THIS CONTRACT PREDATED ME, AND I BELIEVE MR. TERRITO LEFT
12:04:46 THE ROOM TO UPDATE THE RESOLUTION.
12:04:48 I ASSUME HE WOULD HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION.
12:04:53 I APOLOGIZE THAT I CAN'T ANSWER IT.
12:04:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS WE CAN DEFER IT UNTIL AFTER
12:04:59 LUNCH.
12:05:00 I'LL TRY AND GET MY OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED DURING LUNCH,
12:05:04 MR. VIERA.
12:05:05 THANK YOU.
12:05:05 MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE COULD DEFER IT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH, I'LL
12:05:11 TALK TO MR. TERRITO ABOUT THE CONTRACT.
12:05:14 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:05:16 >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
12:05:18 I KNOW THIS WITH ONE OF THE MAYOR'S LAST FAVORITE PROJECTS.
12:05:21 WHY ISN'T -- WHY DID THE MONEY COME OUT OF HIS BUDGET AND
12:05:24 THE CITY BUDGET INSTEAD OF THE CRA BUDGET?
12:05:26 >>ROB ROSNER: WELL, THIS PROJECT WAS ONE OF THE MANY THINGS
12:05:29 THAT THE CRA WAS PLANNING TO DO.
12:05:31 WE'RE TRYING TO BASICALLY TAKE THE ADVANTAGE OF THE --
12:05:37 MOBILIZATION AND THE WORK DONE RELATED TO THIS FOR THE SAME
12:05:40 REASONS I MENTIONED EARLIER.
12:05:42 SO THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A CRA PROJECT REGARDLESS OF THAT.
12:05:47 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS THE CITY PAYING FOR THE ROADWAY
12:05:51 CHANGES AROUND THIS TO CREATE THIS PROPERTY?
12:05:55 >>ROB ROSNER: APPROXIMATELY 6 MILLION.
12:05:57 DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT TO YOU?
12:06:00 HERE COMES SAL.
12:06:04 >>BILL CARLSON: WE'RE PAYING THE DEVELOPER 6 MILLION?
12:06:09 >>ROB ROSNER: THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD THE ROADWAY AND
12:06:11 DO ALL THE WORK TO REALIGN EVERYTHING AND TO -- TRAFFIC AND
12:06:17 EVERYTHING AND MOVE UTILITIES.
12:06:19 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS THIS, 1.1, 1.4, AND THEN I THINK
12:06:25 THE DEVELOPER PAID THE CITY ABOUT 4 MILLION FOR THE
12:06:28 PROPERTY?
12:06:29 >>ROB ROSNER: I THINK IT WAS 4.5.
12:06:31 >>BILL CARLSON: WE'RE PAYING THEM TO TAKE THE PROPERTY AND
12:06:33 DEVELOP IT, IS THAT RIGHT?
12:06:34 WE'RE PAYING ABOUT 7.1 MILLION, AND THEY PAID US FOR, THAT
12:06:42 MEANS IN EFFECT WE PAID THEM 3.1 TO DEVELOP A PIECE OF
12:06:45 PROPERTY THAT WE OWN, IS THAT RIGHT?
12:06:50 >>ROB ROSNER: APPROXIMATELY, YES.
12:06:51 BUT THIS IS ALL ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE.
12:06:54 THEY ARE DOING IT ON OUR BEHALF.
12:06:56 >>BILL CARLSON: THESE DEALS ARE DONE.
12:06:57 I'M NOT TRYING TO UNDO ANY OF THEM.
12:07:00 BUT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF DEALS THAT PEOPLE CALL ME ABOUT
12:07:03 EVERY DAY AND SAY WHY WERE THESE DEALS DONE IN THE LAST
12:07:06 EIGHT YEARS?
12:07:08 AND WHY WOULD THE CITY BE PAYING A DEVELOPER AT $3.1 MILLION
12:07:12 OR WHATEVER TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY THAT I THINK SHOULD HAVE
12:07:15 GONE TO THE STRAZ CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY
12:07:18 INTENDED TO DO.
12:07:19 THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE NEED TO CHANGE GOING FORWARD,
12:07:22 AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS.
12:07:24 >>ROB ROSNER: PROPERTY VALUES HAVE CHANGED AND THE VALUES OF
12:07:27 THE ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION HAS CHANGED.
12:07:29 DURING THIS WHOLE PROCESS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
12:07:32 IDENTIFIED AND THAT'S WHAT CAME UP BEFORE WAS REALIGNING
12:07:36 McGINNIS TO BE AT THE FULL GRID INSTEAD OF OFFSET THAT WAS
12:07:39 THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
12:07:41 SO THAT WAS PART OF THAT.
12:07:43 6 MILLION WAS THE 945 THAT WE WERE DOING TO TAKE DOWN THE
12:07:46 ANNEX, AND THAT WAS A PLANNED THING THAT CAME UP IN APRIL.
12:07:53 >>JOE CITRO: I BELIEVE THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED
12:07:54 THAT NEEDED YOUR EXPERTISE.
12:07:56 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REPHRASE THE
12:07:58 QUESTION.
12:07:59 >>ROB ROSNER: HE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT DISPUTE.
12:08:02 >>SAL TERRITO: I WAS IN THE ELEVATOR.
12:08:03 I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HEARING IT.
12:08:05 SAL TERRITO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
12:08:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO PROBLEM, SAL.
12:08:12 ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE AGREEMENT, OF THE DRAFT AGREEMENT,
12:08:16 IT DOES ALL THE STANDARD LANGUAGE, ASSIGNMENT, AND
12:08:20 ATTORNEYS' FEES AND COST AND THAT SORT OF THING.
12:08:22 THERE'S NO DISPUTE RESOLUTION CLAUSE.
12:08:25 I THINK I OFTEN SEE DISPUTE RESOLUTION CLAUSES IN OUR
12:08:29 CONTRACTS.
12:08:31 REFERRING THE PARTIES TO MEDIATION OR ARBITRATION OR WHAT
12:08:35 HAVE YOU.
12:08:37 >>SAL TERRITO: THE REASON WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THERE, WE HAVE
12:08:40 THE FINAL WORD ON ANY DISPUTES.
12:08:42 THE PROVISION TALKS ABOUT WE DON'T GIVE THEM ANY OF THE
12:08:44 FUNDING UNTIL THE CITY HAS APPROVED IT.
12:08:46 SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE A DISPUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FINAL
12:08:49 WORD ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS COMING UP.
12:08:51 THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY.
12:08:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IF
12:08:54 THEY DO DISPUTE IT, THEN THERE'S NO RECOURSE EXCEPT TO GO TO
12:08:59 CIRCUIT COURT.
12:09:01 >>SAL TERRITO: THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
12:09:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE PREFERENCE?
12:09:03 I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
12:09:04 IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE HARSH TO ME.
12:09:07 STAFF IS TALKING ABOUT WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE PROJECT.
12:09:11 WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE PROJECT.
12:09:12 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF THERE IS A DISPUTE, THEN WE HAVE TO
12:09:15 GO TO CIRCUIT COURT, THAT MIGHT DELAY THE PROJECT.
12:09:18 >>SAL TERRITO: ANY DISPUTE, IT WOULD BE A DISPUTE ON THEM
12:09:21 BEING PAID AND THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED.
12:09:23 THEY DON'T GET PAID UNTIL THEY FINISH THE PROJECT AND WE PAY
12:09:25 THEM AS THE PROJECT GETS COMPLETED.
12:09:27 I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
12:09:28 WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THERE.
12:09:29 WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
12:09:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:09:34 I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION -- BIG-PICTURE QUESTION, I GUESS,
12:09:40 MR. CARLSON, I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT, BILL.
12:09:43 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT
12:09:50 APPARENTLY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE THREE GENTLEMEN WHO
12:09:53 WERE HERE, APPARENTLY THIS ITEM CAME SORT OF AS A HAIL MARY
12:10:00 PASS ON THE LAST SESSION BEFORE WE WERE SWORN IN, THE FOUR
12:10:06 OF US.
12:10:08 I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
12:10:09 I DON'T BLAME THE THREE OF YOU.
12:10:10 YOU GUYS ARE JUST ON THE RECEIVING END OF THE PASS, BUT IN
12:10:13 REGARD TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS SORT OF A LAME-DUCK-TYPE
12:10:19 THING TO DO, WHEN I READ ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, I JUST
12:10:22 THOUGHT, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
12:10:23 SO PERHAPS THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I'VE LOOKED AT
12:10:31 THIS WITH A VERY CAREFUL EYE.
12:10:34 MR. CARLSON, YOU SAID IT'S A DONE DEAL.
12:10:39 BUT THEN I JUST HEARD THE ATTORNEY FOR THE DEVELOPER SAY
12:10:45 THAT THERE'S AN ITEM COMING BACK ON THE 18th.
12:10:49 I WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT.
12:10:51 19th.
12:10:53 I WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT, WHAT IS THAT ITEM?
12:10:56 HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT ITEM?
12:10:57 HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS IN REGARD TO THAT?
12:11:01 THE STRAZ FOLKS DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT.
12:11:11 THEY THINK THAT IT'S NEVER BEEN A GOOD PROJECT OR A GOOD
12:11:14 LOCATION IN REGARD TO THE CITY.
12:11:16 SO LEGALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.
12:11:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST ON THAT COMMENT, MR. DINGFELDER --
12:11:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DID SAY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
12:11:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
12:11:25 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOURSELF ALSO, THE STRAZ NEVER
12:11:28 COMPLAINED ABOUT IT DIRECTLY.
12:11:30 I THINK, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THEY SENT A NOTICE
12:11:34 APPROVING IT.
12:11:35 BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN.
12:11:36 BECAUSE ONE -- MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:11:42 >>JOE CITRO: ARE YOU FINISHED?
12:11:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:11:44 >>BILL CARLSON: -- THE LAST MAYOR WENT TO THE BOARD MEETING
12:11:48 AND STOOD THERE AND STARED THEM DOWN WHILE THEY VOTED ON IT.
12:11:51 IT'S DESPICABLE.
12:11:52 OKAY.
12:11:56 THAT'S AN OPINION.
12:11:57 I GOT THE REPORTS -- AND IT'S NOT -- HERE'S THE PROBLEM
12:12:02 WE'RE FACING IS THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS AT
12:12:06 LEAST ONE TIME.
12:12:07 IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPERS.
12:12:09 AND THE CITY HAS TO STAY TO WHATEVER COMMITMENTS WERE MADE
12:12:13 IN THE PAST.
12:12:13 THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT THIS WAS PROPERTY THAT WAS
12:12:16 DISCOVERED BY THE STRAZ CENTER.
12:12:20 THEY PROPOSED TO DEVELOP IT TO BENEFIT THEM AND THE LAST
12:12:22 MAYOR GRABBED IT OUT OF THEIR HANDS AND DID A SWEETHEART
12:12:25 DEAL ON DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS, WHERE WE'RE PAYING THE
12:12:30 DEVELOPERS TO DO THIS.
12:12:31 IT'S CRAZY THAT DEALS LIKE THIS WERE DONE OVER AND OVER AND
12:12:34 OVER AGAIN.
12:12:34 WE'VE GOT TO SHINE A LIGHT.
12:12:36 IT MAKES ME WANT TO THROW UP.
12:12:38 HOW POSSIBLY WERE THESE DEALS DONE?
12:12:40 I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
12:12:43 >>JOE CITRO: LEGAL.
12:12:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I UNDERSTAND THAT MS. HEALY IS NOT
12:12:48 REPRESENTING AN APPLICANT, PER SE, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
12:12:51 A LEGAL AGREEMENT AND SHE'S REPRESENTING THE OTHER PARTY TO
12:12:53 THE AGREEMENT.
12:12:54 I THINK IT'S ONLY FAIR.
12:12:56 IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE SHE'S CHAMPING AT THE BIT TO ADDRESS
12:13:01 SOME OF YOURS COMMENTS.
12:13:02 I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
12:13:08 >>JOE CITRO: TO AT LEAST REBUTTAL.
12:13:12 >> MY APOLOGIES.
12:13:13 I POSED A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
12:13:18 ONE MOMENT.
12:13:25 >>SAL TERRITO: WHERE THE CONFUSION IS COMING IS WHO IS THE
12:13:28 AGREEMENT WITH?
12:13:29 I'M NOT SURE ANYTHING HAS TO COME BACK.
12:13:31 IN AGREEMENT IN ITSELF MAY BE COMPLETE.
12:13:33 IS THE CRA PAYING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT?
12:13:37 NOW, IF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS TO COME BACK, I
12:13:40 APOLOGIZE, I HAVE NOT SEEN A SEPARATE AGREEMENT BESIDES THIS
12:13:43 ONE WHICH WAS SENT TO ME.
12:13:44 THIS I SAW AS A FUNDING MECHANISM, NOT NECESSARILY AS A
12:13:47 CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT.
12:13:49 IF THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO YOU ON THE 19th, I'LL HAVE TO
12:13:53 SEE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT DOCUMENT YET.
12:13:55 ALL I'VE SEEN IS THIS AGREEMENT AGREEING TO HAVE THE CRA PAY
12:13:58 X NUMBER OF DOLLARS FOR A PARTICULAR PROJECT.
12:14:02 THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN.
12:14:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, ONE OF THE REASONS I HAD A LITTLE
12:14:10 HEARTBURN VOTING FOR THE BUDGET EARLIER IS BECAUSE IT
12:14:13 INCLUDED THIS LINE ITEM, $1.147 MILLION, BUT I WENT AHEAD
12:14:19 AND VOTED FOR THE BUDGET KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING
12:14:22 THIS ITEM 9.
12:14:24 ARE YOU SAYING -- I MEAN, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT, AS I READ
12:14:29 IT, ON ITS FACE, BETWEEN THE CRA AND THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPER.
12:14:34 ARE YOU SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO APPROVE IT?
12:14:38 >>SAL TERRITO: NO, WHAT I'M SAYING, WHERE THE CONFUSION IS
12:14:40 COMING UP, AND UNTIL I HEARD IT JUST NOW, I DIDN'T KNOW
12:14:42 THERE WAS CONFUSION.
12:14:43 SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
12:14:44 IF YOU APPROVE THIS, IT'S THE FUNDING SOURCE.
12:14:47 MY SUGGESTION IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS DOCUMENT,
12:14:51 IT'S A FUNDING SOURCE THAT WILL NEVER GO FORWARD UNTIL YOU
12:14:54 HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT THAT COMES BACK TO
12:14:57 YOU ON THE 19th.
12:14:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE 19th.
12:15:01 WHAT IS COMING -- WHAT IS COMING ON THE 19th?
12:15:05 >>SAL TERRITO: I HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT IS COMING ON THE 19th
12:15:07 BECAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE THERE WAS ANOTHER AGREEMENT COMING
12:15:10 FORWARD.
12:15:10 I WAS GIVEN THIS TO REVIEW.
12:15:11 I PUT IT TOGETHER.
12:15:12 I CAME TO YOU WITH THE FUNDING SOURCE.
12:15:14 I HAVE NOT SEEN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
12:15:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MAYBE THE OPTION IS WE THEORETICALLY
12:15:23 COULD APPROVE THIS --
12:15:25 >>SAL TERRITO: CONTINGENT.
12:15:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT NOT GIVE IT TO THEM TO SIGN IT.
12:15:29 >>SAL TERRITO: THE OPTION WOULD BE YOU CAN APPROVE THIS --
12:15:31 THE REASON THERE IS -- I DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP FOR THE
12:15:34 NEXT CRA MEETING, IF YOU APPROVE THIS CONTINGENT UPON THE
12:15:37 OTHER AGREEMENT COMING BEFORE YOU, IF THE OTHER AGREEMENT
12:15:39 COMES BEFORE YOU AND YOU FOR SOME REASON DO NOT WANT TO
12:15:43 APPROVE IT, THEN THIS IS NULL AND VOID.
12:15:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE ONLY OTHER PROVISION THAT I WANTED TO
12:15:47 SPEAK TO, MR. CHAIRMAN, 7.7, SAL, SPEAKS TO ASSIGNMENT.
12:15:51 IT SAYS THE DEVELOPER SHALL HAVE THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO
12:15:53 ASSIGN THIS AGREEMENT TO AN ENTITY WHICH IS OWNED, MANAGED,
12:15:57 OR CONTROLLED BY THE PRINCIPALS OF ALC RESIDENCES ON THE
12:15:59 RIVER LLC WITHOUT FURTHER CONSENT BY THE CITY.
12:16:03 AN ABSOLUTE ASSIGNMENT PROVISION LIKE THAT TO ME IS A LITTLE
12:16:08 UNUSUAL.
12:16:09 I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PRINCIPALS ARE WHEN WE
12:16:12 SIT HERE TODAY.
12:16:14 I'LL BET A HUNDRED BUCKS YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE PRINCIPALS
12:16:16 ARE OF ALV RESIDENCES ON THE RIVER, AND YET WE'RE SAYING, IF
12:16:21 THOSE PRINCIPALS DECIDE TO SET UP ANOTHER COMPANY AND TAKE
12:16:25 OVER THIS CONTRACT, THEY CAN.
12:16:26 SO I FOUND THAT A LITTLE UNUSUAL.
12:16:30 >>SAL TERRITO: MY FEELING ON THIS WAS, THEY ARE GOING TO --
12:16:32 IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO THE WORK THEMSELVES AND THEY ARE
12:16:35 GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO THE WORK, THAT'S OKAY AS LONG
12:16:38 AS IT'S AFFILIATED WITH THE GROUP THAT'S ACTUALLY
12:16:40 CONTRACTING WITH US.
12:16:41 THAT WAS MY THOUGHT BEHIND THIS.
12:16:44 IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, FINE.
12:16:46 YOU CAN BRING THAT UP.
12:16:47 I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT PROVISION.
12:16:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
12:16:53 WELL, LIKE I SAY, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD,
12:16:56 MR. CHAIRMAN, CONTINGENT ON THE 19th VOTE, THAT'S YOUR
12:17:04 PREROGATIVE.
12:17:05 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:17:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE
12:17:08 GROUP.
12:17:09 >>JOE CITRO: I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, MS. HEALEY, DO YOU
12:17:12 WANT TO HAVE ANY REBUTTAL?
12:17:13 >> YES, SIR.
12:17:15 >>JOE CITRO: DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL?
12:17:17 >> WELL, I HATE TO SAY IT LIKE A REBUTTAL, BUT WE HAVE THIS
12:17:22 AGREEMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS PART OF YOUR PACKAGE
12:17:24 THAT'S SUPPOSED TO COME UP ON THE 19th.
12:17:27 WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE --
12:17:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T HAVE THAT AGREEMENT.
12:17:31 >> THOUGHT HE WAS READING FROM IT.
12:17:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I WAS READING FROM THE CONTRACT
12:17:34 THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
12:17:36 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING IN FRONT OF US ON THE 19th.
12:17:40 >> IT SHOULD BE THE SAME THING.
12:17:44 >>SAL TERRITO: I THINK WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS COMING, THIS
12:17:47 SHOULD HAVE BEEN A THREEWAY AGREEMENT -- THIS SHOULD HAVE
12:17:52 BEEN AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN CRA FOR THE FUNDING, THE CITY FOR
12:17:54 THE ACTUAL CONTRACT.
12:17:56 THAT IS NOT HOW IT WAS PREPARED.
12:17:58 IF YOU APPROVE THIS TODAY, IT REALLY ISN'T GOING TO SERVE
12:18:03 ANY PURPOSE.
12:18:04 THE CRA IS GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT AT SOME POINT ANYWAY.
12:18:08 MY SUGGESTION IS, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, SIGN THIS
12:18:12 AGREEMENT, APPROVE THIS AGREEMENT TODAY.
12:18:14 WHEN WE COME BACK THEN IT WILL BE A THREE-WAY AGREEMENT.
12:18:17 I'M TRYING TO AVOID HAVING TO COME BACK A SECOND TIME TO THE
12:18:20 CRA.
12:18:20 YOU'RE STILL IN CONTROL OF THE PROCESS.
12:18:23 YOU'RE IN CONTROL OF IT EITHER AS THE CRA OR AS THE CITY
12:18:25 COUNCIL.
12:18:25 IF YOU DON'T APPROVE IT AS A CITY COUNCIL IT GOES NOWHERE.
12:18:29 BUT I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE DISCONNECT CAME UP AS I'M
12:18:32 LOOKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A THREEWAY
12:18:35 AGREEMENT.
12:18:35 BECAUSE THE CRA IS PAYING -- THE CITY IS ACTUALLY ENTERING
12:18:39 INTO THE AGREEMENT FOR THE OTHER PORTION.
12:18:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT IS CONFUSING.
12:18:47 >>SAL TERRITO: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:18:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WAY I LOOK AT
12:18:51 IT, IT SHOULD HAVE CAME BEFORE COUNCIL FIRST AND THEN COME
12:18:54 TO THE CRA FOR APPROVAL OF DOLLARS FOR A FACADE.
12:18:57 VERSUS COMING FOR A FACADE FIRST AND STILL COMING BACK ON
12:19:02 THE 19th.
12:19:04 >> YOU APPROVED THE FUNDING AND THEN AS CITY COUNCIL, YOU
12:19:07 APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE AGREEMENT.
12:19:11 >>JOE CITRO: MS. HEALEY, DIDN'T I UNDERSTAND EARLIER THAT
12:19:14 THERE WERE TIME CONSTRAINTS.
12:19:16 >> YES, SIR.
12:19:16 >>JOE CITRO: THERE HAS TO BE DEMOLITION DONE.
12:19:19 WILL DEMOLITION BE DONE BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL
12:19:22 ON THE 19th?
12:19:23 >> NO, I THINK WITH SOME MINOR CHANGES, WHICH WE CAN TALK
12:19:26 ABOUT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES OUTSIDE, THAT AGREEMENT CAN COME
12:19:30 TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE 19th.
12:19:34 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:19:35 ANYTHING FURTHER, MS. HEALEY?
12:19:41 >>SAL TERRITO: LET ME JUST EXPLAIN IT ONE MORE TIME.
12:19:43 I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS MIX-UP.
12:19:46 WHAT WE CAN DO IS COME BACK AFTER THE BREAK.
12:19:49 HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT IS A THREEWAY CONTRACT THAT RESOLVES
12:19:52 THESE ISSUES.
12:19:53 IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK YOU SEE THE NEED.
12:19:55 BUT RIGHT NOW, IF I COME BACK WITH THIS RESOLUTION BEING A
12:19:58 THREEWAY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA, THE CITY, AND THIS
12:20:01 ORGANIZATION, THAT WILL RESOLVE THE FIRST ISSUE.
12:20:04 THE CITY WILL STILL HAVE TO APPROVE IT LATER ON AND IF FOR
12:20:08 SOME REASON YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THAT, THAT WILL KILL THE
12:20:11 PROJECT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THE THREE PARTIES TO SIGN IT.
12:20:13 THAT MAY BE THE EASIEST WAY TO RESOLVE THE CONFUSION.
12:20:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: "KILL THE PROJECT."
12:20:18 WHEN YOU SAY "KILL THE PROJECT," YOU MEAN KILL THIS SMALL
12:20:22 PART --
12:20:22 >>SAL TERRITO: I DIDN'T MEAN THAT.
12:20:23 THIS AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS ORGANIZATION TO DO THE
12:20:26 WORK FOR US, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, WHICH THE CRA WILL DO,
12:20:29 AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CITY GO ALONG AND APPROVE IT TO
12:20:32 GO AHEAD WITH THE WORK.
12:20:33 BY DOING IT THAT WAY, YOU HAVE TWO BITES AT THE APPLE, SAME
12:20:37 GROUP, TWO BITES AT THE APPLE.
12:20:38 SO YOU'RE NOT HOLDING IT UP TODAY IF YOU APPROVE THIS
12:20:41 PORTION, BUT ON THE 19th, IF THAT'S YOUR DECISION, THEN
12:20:44 THIS PORTION WILL GO AWAY.
12:20:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, DO WE HAVE ANY
12:20:48 OPPORTUNITY TO KILL THIS PROJECT PERIOD?
12:20:51 >>SAL TERRITO: NO, YOU DO NOT.
12:20:52 THAT WAS A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS.
12:20:55 WE WILL JUST NOT HAVE THEM DOING THE WORK FOR US ON THE
12:20:57 RIVERWALK IF THIS PORTION DOES NOT GET APPROVED.
12:21:01 THE PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
12:21:02 >>JOE CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
12:21:03 ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
12:21:05 WE HAVE BUSINESS STILL LEFT.
12:21:08 THERE IS A MOTION DULY MADE AND SECONDED, UNLESS THE MOTION
12:21:11 MAKER WANTS TO WITHDRAW THEIR MOTION ON DEFERRING THIS TO
12:21:14 OUR NEXT MEETING.
12:21:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IS THE MOTION?
12:21:18 >>JOE CITRO: TO DEFER THIS.
12:21:20 WHAT YOU SUGGESTED.
12:21:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THOUGHT HE SAID DEFER IT UNTIL AFTER
12:21:23 LUNCH.
12:21:24 >>JOE CITRO: I UNDERSTAND.
12:21:24 BUT WE STILL HAVE THE MOTION THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR THAT YOU
12:21:28 MADE.
12:21:29 EXCUSE ME.
12:21:30 THAT SOMEONE ELSE MADE ON BEHALF OF YOU.
12:21:32 I WANT TO KNOW IF THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION, WHICH I
12:21:35 BELIEVE WAS COUNCILMAN GUDES, WANTS TO REMOVE THAT MOTION OR
12:21:40 IF HE WANTS TO MAKE IT STAND AND WE VOTE ON IT.
12:21:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SINCE WE CAN'T KILL THE WHOLE PROJECT,
12:21:46 WHICH WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, THEN I'M ANSWERING YOUR
12:21:52 QUESTION.
12:21:53 >>JOE CITRO: NO, BECAUSE THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN
12:21:55 GUDES.
12:21:55 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY YOU --
12:22:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
12:22:08 MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED ADEQUATE -- WELL, MY
12:22:12 QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
12:22:14 I'M OKAY IF YOU ALL WANT TO VOTE TODAY.
12:22:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT
12:22:22 BASED ON THE THREE-PARTY AGREEMENT COMING ON THE 19th AT
12:22:27 CITY COUNCIL.
12:22:33 >>SAL TERRITO: MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU CONTINUE THIS UNTIL
12:22:37 AFTER LUNCH WHEN I'LL BRING THE THREE-PARTY AGREEMENT BACK
12:22:40 TO YOU AND THE CRA CAN VOTE ON IT AND THEN WHEN IT COMES
12:22:45 BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON IT.
12:22:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AFTER LUNCH.
12:22:52 >>JOE CITRO: SINCE WE WENT OVER.
12:22:54 WE'LL COME BACK AT 1.
12:22:55 WE'RE IN RECESS.
12:22:57 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:22:57 [RECESS]
01:04:40 >> DINGFELDER?
01:04:42 GUDES?
01:04:44 MANISCALCO?
01:04:44 >> HERE.
01:04:44 >> VIERA?
01:04:46 MIRANDA?
01:04:47 CARLSON?
01:04:47 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:04:48 >>JOE CITRO: HERE.
01:04:50 WE ARE GOING TO REVISIT ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 9.
01:05:00 BEFORE WE START THIS CONVERSATION, ROB, IF YOU DON'T MIND,
01:05:19 COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME ON THIS, I FEEL IT
01:05:23 COMPELLING THAT IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT
01:05:26 ARE HAVING SIDEBAR COMMUNICATIONS WITH ANYBODY WHO IS
01:05:32 PRESENTING ANYTHING TO THIS BOARD, IF THEY WOULD BE KIND
01:05:37 ENOUGH TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AFTER THE SIDEBAR, REVEAL
01:05:43 THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE MAY BE
01:05:49 INFORMATION WITHIN THAT DISCUSSION THAT MAY HELP ME MAKE MY
01:05:58 DECISION, KEEPING ANY INFORMATION SOLO TO THEMSELVES IN MY
01:06:01 OPINION IS NOT DOING JUSTICE TO THIS BOARD.
01:06:06 ROB, YOU'RE UP.
01:06:09 >>ROB ROSNER: AS WE RETURN, WE HAD SAL REDRAFTING THE
01:06:13 AGREEMENT, AND HE HAS NOT COME BACK YET.
01:06:18 I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO SAY SINCE HALF AN HOUR AGO.
01:06:21 >>JOE CITRO: WE CAN ALL GO TAKE A NAP IS NOW GOT A MOTION,
01:06:25 SECONDED?
01:06:28 >> TAKE A NAP.
01:06:29 [ LAUGHTER ]
01:06:31 >>JOE CITRO: MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
01:06:35 >> SECOND.
01:06:36 >> I THIRD IT.
01:06:37 >>JOE CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
01:06:39 WE'RE WAITING FOR --
01:06:41 >>ROB ROSNER: WE'RE WAITING FOR THE AGREEMENT TO COME
01:06:43 THROUGH.
01:06:45 DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS --
01:06:46 >>JOE CITRO: DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
01:06:51 >>ROB ROSNER: I'LL DEFER ONLY UNTIL SAL GETS HERE WITH AN
01:06:54 AMENDED AGREEMENT.
01:06:59 I'M AT YOUR PLEASURE.
01:07:03 >>JOE CITRO: DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG OF A WAIT IT IS GOING TO
01:07:07 BE?
01:07:08 >>ROB ROSNER: HE'S IN THE ELEVATOR.
01:07:14 >> GOING UP OR DOWN?
01:07:15 >> GOOD QUESTION.
01:07:16 HERE HE COMES.
01:07:20 THE MAN OF THE DAY.
01:07:52 >>SAL TERRITO: SAL TERRITO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:07:55 WHAT I DID, THERE IS A NEW RESOLUTION THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE
01:07:59 CITY -- ALL THREE, THE CITY, THE CRA, AND THE GROUP WITH
01:08:02 WHOM WE'RE DOING THE CONTRACT.
01:08:04 I MADE THAT CHANGE ON BOTH THE RESOLUTION AND ON THE
01:08:08 AGREEMENT.
01:08:08 MR. DINGFELDER, I DID MAKE ONE OF THE CHANGES YOU
01:08:12 RECOMMENDED.
01:08:13 I THINK IT WAS YOU, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW
01:08:15 TO ASSIGN THIS TO ONE OTHER PERSON.
01:08:19 THEY HAVE ONE OTHER ENTITY THAT THEY MAY WANT TO ASSIGN THE
01:08:22 AGREEMENT TO.
01:08:22 IT'S ONE AND ONLY ONE.
01:08:24 SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE IN THERE AS WELL.
01:08:26 SO THOSE WERE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
01:08:27 THE MAJOR ONE WAS BASICALLY ADDING THE CITY TO THE
01:08:32 AGREEMENT.
01:08:33 IF YOUR DISPOSED TO APPROVE THIS TODAY, IT WILL COME BACK TO
01:08:36 YOU AS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 19th, AND I ASK FOR YOUR
01:08:41 INDULGENCE THAT I'LL HAVE IT SENT DOWN SEPARATELY BECAUSE IT
01:08:45 DIDN'T MAKE THE DEADLINE FOR THE 19 HEARING.
01:08:48 THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
01:08:48 IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL CERTAINLY ANSWER THEM
01:08:52 FOR YOU, IF I CAN.
01:08:53 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
01:08:55 MS. HEALEY, HAVE YOU SEEN THESE DOCUMENTS?
01:09:02 WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP TO THE PODIUM?
01:09:05 >> WE DID TALK ABOUT IT.
01:09:09 I'M GOOD WITH THE REVISIONS THAT HE MADE.
01:09:14 >>JOE CITRO: FANTASTIC.
01:09:16 SAL, DO YOU MIND IF WE TAKE A SECOND AND LOOK AT THESE?
01:09:24 >>SAL TERRITO: [INAUDIBLE] [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE]
01:09:54 >>JOE CITRO: ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
01:10:22 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
01:10:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
01:10:34 -- AGAIN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED,
01:10:37 INCLUDING MS. HEALEY, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, NOT AS RELATED
01:10:43 TO THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, WHICH I'M CONFIDENT WILL WORK
01:10:47 OUT, BUT AS RELATED TO THE WHOLE PROJECT AND HOW IT CAME
01:10:52 DOWN.
01:10:55 >>JOE CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?
01:10:57 >> SO MOVED.
01:11:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:11:00 I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WITHOUT THIS, THE CITY WOULD BE IN
01:11:03 DANGER, IN MY OPINION, OF PAYING MORE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
01:11:05 BECAUSE SOMETHING WOULD BE BUILT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO UNDO
01:11:08 WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE.
01:11:09 THANK YOU.
01:11:12 >>JOE CITRO: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR MADE BY
01:11:14 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:11:15 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:11:16 ON RESOLUTION ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
01:11:20 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
01:11:21 ANY OPPOSED?
01:11:24 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
01:11:33 >>JOE CITRO: THE LONG AWAITED WORKSHOP, ITEM NUMBER 10.
01:11:39 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE
01:11:41 WORKSHOP, CAN WE PUT ON THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
01:11:45 I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF EXPLANATION ABOUT --
01:11:50 >>JOE CITRO: YOU ARE RIGHT.
01:11:51 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:11:52 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AGAIN, WE PULLED IT OUT OF THE BUDGET TO
01:11:56 MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT TO ALL OF YOU.
01:11:57 IT'S A STAND-ALONE THING.
01:11:59 BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR, THE BUDGET
01:12:04 YOU APPROVED WAS -- DID CONTEMPLATE THE CITY BEING THE
01:12:09 SERVICE PROVIDER UNDER THE SERVICE AGREEMENT.
01:12:14 IF IT GIVES YOU ANY COMFORT, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO GO
01:12:17 FORWARD NOW TO DISCUSS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE AGENCY
01:12:21 WANTS TO CONTINUE TO USE THE CITY AS ITS SERVICE PROVIDER.
01:12:25 THE SERVICE AGREEMENT HAS A 30-DAY NOTICE OF CANCELLATION
01:12:30 PERIOD.
01:12:31 SO OUR SUGGESTION IS WHATEVER YOU MAY ULTIMATELY DECIDE
01:12:35 AFTER YOU HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION, IN ORDER TO KEEP THINGS
01:12:39 MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEAR FUTURE, WE RECOMMEND
01:12:44 THAT YOU APPROVE THE SERVICES AGREEMENT, UNDERSTANDING THAT
01:12:49 IF YOU DO DECIDE TO ULTIMATELY NO LONGER USE THE CITY AS
01:12:53 YOUR SERVICE PROVIDER, YOU CAN CHANGE IT ON 30-DAY
01:12:56 CANCELLATION.
01:12:57 BUT I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION WILL HELP MAKE CLEAR THAT
01:13:01 IT'S NOT -- IT WOULD NOT BE A QUICK CHANGE THAT COULD HAPPEN
01:13:05 OVERNIGHT SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO GO THE PRIVATE SECTOR ROUTE.
01:13:09 SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT FOR NOW YOU GO AHEAD AND APPROVE
01:13:13 THE SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, THAT
01:13:16 IT CAN BE CANCELED.
01:13:18 AND ONE THING, AS I WAS REREADING IT AGAIN, ONE OF THE
01:13:22 QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP EARLIER HAD TO DO WITH RFPs.
01:13:27 AND IF YOU LOOK AT ARTICLE I, SECTION 6 OF THIS AGREEMENT,
01:13:33 AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DIDN'T CATCH THIS SOONER, IT READS, FOR
01:13:36 AGREEMENTS RELATED TO PROJECTS THAT ARE OR ARE LIKELY TO BE
01:13:41 FUNDED IN MAJORITY BY TIF REVENUES, THE DEPARTMENT OF URBAN
01:13:45 DEVELOPMENT WILL CIRCULATE THE DRAFT SCOPE OF SERVICES TO
01:13:48 ALL CRA BOARD MEMBERS FOR THEIR INPUT AT THE TIME THE DRAFT
01:13:53 SCOPE IS PROVIDED TO CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR
01:13:56 COMMENT.
01:13:56 SO I THINK THAT MAY ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE
01:14:01 DISCUSSED EARLIER.
01:14:02 SO, AGAIN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO
01:14:10 ON THE LARGER QUESTION OF PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC, BUT WE DO
01:14:14 THINK THAT FOR NOW, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE ENGINE MOVING AND
01:14:18 TO KEEP THE BUDGET YOU JUST APPROVED ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED,
01:14:21 YOU APPROVE THIS TODAY.
01:14:27 THAT'S MY COMMENTS.
01:14:29 JOHN WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING AS WELL.
01:14:30 >>JOE CITRO: BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, ON ITEM NUMBER 9, DID
01:14:34 THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT?
01:14:39 >>SAL TERRITO: YES.
01:14:39 IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
01:14:40 >>JOE CITRO: WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
01:14:43 AMEND THAT?
01:14:45 >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION.
01:14:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
01:14:47 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
01:14:48 MS. ZELMAN, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SHOULD WE GO TO NUMBER 3
01:14:55 FIRST AND THEN COME BACK?
01:14:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IT WAS PART OF NUMBER 5.
01:14:59 >>JOE CITRO: I APOLOGIZE AGAIN.
01:15:00 WE NEED TO VOTE UPON THE SUBSTITUTE -- THE AMENDMENT TO
01:15:04 INCLUDE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION ON ITEM NUMBER 9.
01:15:08 AND THE AGREEMENT.
01:15:13 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
01:15:15 OPPOSED?
01:15:19 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
01:15:22 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
01:15:22 I JUST CAUGHT THAT.
01:15:24 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNSEL.
01:15:27 >>JOHN BENNETT: I WANT TO IN SUPPORT OF THE CONVERSATION WE
01:15:29 JUST HAD WITH MS. ZELMAN IS BRING UP THAT WHILE IT'S TRUE
01:15:33 AND YOU HAVE A 30 DAY, THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND.
01:15:37 WE TALKED ABOUT THE COLLEGIAL GROWTH THAT WE'LL SEE AND THE
01:15:41 OPPORTUNITIES WE SEE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION WORKING WITH
01:15:43 THE CRA BOARD GOING FORWARD.
01:15:44 SO I THINK THERE ARE THREE OPPORTUNITIES, APPROVE AS IS,
01:15:49 OBVIOUSLY.
01:15:50 YOU HAVE A 30-DAY OUT OPTION IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING
01:15:53 ELSE, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN AMENDMENT IN THERE AS WELL, NOT
01:15:56 JUST THE TWO BOOK ENDS OF THAT OPTION.
01:15:59 MAKE SURE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THREE OPTIONS AS WE MOVE
01:16:02 FORWARD.
01:16:03 AND THAT'S IT PENDING QUESTIONS.
01:16:06 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:16:07 >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WE PUT THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, I THINK
01:16:13 ITEM 5 OR 10, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I SUGGESTED JUST
01:16:17 EXTENDING FOR 30 DAYS.
01:16:18 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
01:16:20 HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE CONTRACT AT THE END OF
01:16:24 THE OTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK IT INFORMS IT.
01:16:27 I THINK THE TWO AREAS I HAVE THE MOST CONCERN ABOUT ARE,
01:16:31 NUMBER ONE, THE SERVICES UNDER ARTICLE 1.
01:16:40 I'VE SAID A LOT THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ECONOMIC
01:16:42 DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
01:16:44 PART OF THE CRA IS REAL ESTATE.
01:16:46 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 15 OR WHATEVER IT
01:16:52 IS, THEY ARE ALMOST ALL -- 18 -- THEY ARE ALMOST ALL ABOUT
01:16:55 REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
01:16:56 AND SO NO WONDER THE REPORTS THAT COME BACK TO US ARE ALL
01:17:00 ABOUT REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SAID
01:17:03 WE WANT TO DO.
01:17:03 [ENCODER DROP]
01:17:10 [ENCODER LOSS OF AUDIO]
01:17:26 -- WITH EVERYTHING.
01:17:35 I DON'T WANT TO UNDO THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S HERE,
01:17:39 AND WE WEAR TWO HATS.
01:17:41 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE 1.7 -- OR 1.3 MILLION AWAY FROM THE
01:17:45 CITY BECAUSE WE ALSO WEAR THAT HAT.
01:17:47 BUT WE WENT THROUGH A LONG DISCUSSION WITH THE PRIOR
01:17:52 ATTORNEY ABOUT JURISDICTION OR MANAGEMENT OF THE CRAs.
01:17:57 AND I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT THE CRA SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN
01:18:02 EMPLOYEE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
01:18:03 AND RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO HIRE
01:18:08 A NEW PERSON FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK SOMEWHERE
01:18:12 IN THIS DOCUMENT, FIRST OF ALL, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME
01:18:15 INFLUENCE OVER WHO WE WORK WITH AND HOW AND SOME GUIDELINES
01:18:19 FOR PERFORMANCE, NOT THAT I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS, IT'S JUST
01:18:22 THAT IF WE ARE RESPONSIBLE, WE NEED TO ALSO HAVE THAT -- WE
01:18:26 NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEAL WITH THAT.
01:18:28 JUST LIKE ANY SERVICE AGREEMENT.
01:18:30 IF YOU HAVE A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH A COPY MACHINE, IT
01:18:32 BREAKS DOWN, YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT FIXING
01:18:34 IT.
01:18:35 BUT ON THE EXECUTIVE, INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR HALF OF AN
01:18:39 EXECUTIVE, I WISH, WHICH WE SHARE AND AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, I
01:18:44 WISH UNDER LAW WE'RE ALLOWED TO HIRE OWN EMPLOYEES, I'D LIKE
01:18:48 TO HIRE CEO OR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THEN THE CONTRACT WITH
01:18:52 THE CITY WOULD THEN REPORT TO THAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
01:18:54 THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WOULD REPORT TO US.
01:18:55 THAT WAY THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION ARE CLEAR, AND WE HAVE
01:18:58 OUR OWN DEDICATED PERSON.
01:19:03 >> JUST FOR CLARITY, WITH THAT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR CONCEPT,
01:19:06 OVERSEE THE MANAGERS THAT WERE HIRED TO FULFILL THE
01:19:09 CONTRACT?
01:19:10 >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROBLEM AS I SEE IT RIGHT NOW IS WE ALL
01:19:14 DON'T HAVE FULL INFORMATION, AND THEN WE'RE ALL CAUCUSING
01:19:18 WITH STAFF, WHICH TAKES A LOT OF TIME. WE ASK LOTS OF
01:19:22 QUESTIONS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A POWER STRUGGLE WITH THE MAYOR
01:19:24 OR WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, IF IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE HAD A
01:19:27 PERSON, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, IF
01:19:30 WE HAVE OUR OWN PERSON WHO REPORTS TO US, WE CAN EASILY
01:19:34 COORDINATE IT WITH THEM AND THEN THEY WOULD BE THE POINT
01:19:36 PERSON TO COORDINATE WITH THE CITY STAFF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO
01:19:39 TAKE UP AS MUCH CITY STAFF TIME.
01:19:42 THAT WAY THEY CAN BRIEF US.
01:19:46 >>JOHN BENNETT: THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS.
01:19:48 ONE THING I KNOW IN THE STATE OF FLUX, WE'RE GOING OUT TO
01:19:51 HIRE SOMEONE OBVIOUSLY TO REPLACE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
01:19:53 ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF FUNCTIONS
01:19:55 UNDERNEATH, A LOT OF THEM OBVIOUSLY TIE TO THIS.
01:20:00 IN THAT JOURNEY, WE WANT TO LOOK TO MAKE SURE WE RECOVER
01:20:04 EVERYTHING.
01:20:05 I GUESS PART OF MY FEEDBACK WOULD BE, I HEARD A LOT OF
01:20:08 PROCESS OPPORTUNITY TODAY, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR SIDE, THE
01:20:12 MANAGEMENT SIDE, THE EXCHANGE, HOW THE BUDGET IS ITEMIZED.
01:20:16 MR. ROGERO HAVE HAD SIDEBARS ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE
01:20:21 THE INFORMATION FLOW.
01:20:22 IS IT A REASONABLE STEP TO TAKE A FEW MEETING JOURNEYS TO
01:20:26 SEE HOW MUCH WE ELEVATE THAT AND THEN STILL KEEP THAT
01:20:29 CONSIDERATION IN MIND AS WE VET THROUGH THE GROWTH OF THIS
01:20:33 LANE UNDER THE CITY ADMINISTRATION?
01:20:37 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OPTION WHICH WE HAD KIND OF DISCUSSED
01:20:40 PRELIMINARILY IN OUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS IS WE COULD TAKE
01:20:44 THIS WHOLE $1.7 MILLION AND HIRE OUR OWN STAFF OR OUTSOURCE
01:20:50 IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE RATHER THAN THE CITY.
01:20:54 BUT SINCE WE WEAR TWO HATS, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE
01:20:58 THAT TAKES MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS AWAY FROM THE CITY.
01:21:01 BUT TO HIRE A PERSON WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 100
01:21:04 AND 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
01:21:06 WITH THAT, TO HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON, I THINK THE ISSUES IN
01:21:09 THE CRAs ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE CITY.
01:21:11 THE CONFLICT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WAS DEVELOPMENT OF
01:21:15 DOWNTOWN VERSUS EVERYWHERE ELSE.
01:21:17 WORKING ON REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE.
01:21:20 I ASSUME THE MAYOR WILL HIRE A FANTASTIC PERSON.
01:21:22 I THINK ALL THE HIRES SO FAR HAVE BEEN GREAT.
01:21:25 BUT NO MATTER HOW GREAT THAT PERSON IS, THERE IS A WHOLE
01:21:28 CITY THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CRAs.
01:21:31 WE NEED TO JUST REALLY NARROWLY FOCUS ON THE CRA.
01:21:34 WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO TAKES THE DIRECTION WE'VE GOT TO COME
01:21:37 UP WITH AND WORK WITH STAFF AND THE OUTSIDE RESOURCES.
01:21:40 ONE OF THE DIRECTIVES OF THE LEGISLATION AND OTHER THINGS
01:21:42 ABOUT CRAs IS THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
01:21:45 I THINK ONLY, AS WE ASKED THEM LAST TIME, ONLY A COUPLE OF
01:21:49 THEM DO.
01:21:50 THIS PERSON IS GOING TO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH
01:21:54 MS. McCLEARY IN HOUSING.
01:21:56 SO THERE'S ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES WHICH REALLY I THINK IS A
01:21:59 FULL-TIME PERSON.
01:22:00 MAYBE IT'S MORE THAN ONE STEP.
01:22:02 INSTEAD OF TAKING A BIG CHUNK OF MONEY AWAY FROM THE CITY,
01:22:05 IF WE JUST TOOK A HUNDRED GRAND OR 200 GRAND OR FIGURED OUT,
01:22:10 MAYBE WE COULD PAY THE 1.7 AND FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN GET 150
01:22:14 GRAND FROM ANOTHER SOURCE BUT HIRE TWO PEOPLE.
01:22:16 IDEALLY, THEY WILL BE COLLEGIAL AND WORK TOGETHER, BUT
01:22:19 THEY'LL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PURPOSES.
01:22:24 >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTOOD.
01:22:26 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:22:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE WAY I SEE IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY AND
01:22:34 ME BEING A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN A CITY EMPLOYEE, YOU STILL
01:22:37 HAVE A BOSS.
01:22:40 I HEAR WHAT MR. CARLSON IS SAYING.
01:22:43 I'M NEVER FOR TAKING THE CRA TO AN OUTSIDE MANAGEMENT
01:22:48 COMPANY.
01:22:48 I THINK THAT WOULD BE BAD.
01:22:49 I THINK WE LOSE MONEY IN THE END.
01:22:51 PEOPLE TRYING TO SUCK MONEY OUT OF US.
01:22:53 I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
01:22:55 I AM IN FAVOR OF HAVING OUR OWN PERSON, JUST LIKE WE HAVE
01:22:58 OUR OWN CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING
01:23:02 VALIDATED INFORMATION, TO BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT'S GOOD,
01:23:05 WHAT'S BAD, AND TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT YET WE
01:23:09 HAVE OUR OWN PERSON THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH AND TAKE
01:23:13 OUR DIRECTIVES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT.
01:23:16 IF YOU HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON FOR THE CITY,
01:23:18 THAT PERSON HAS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY.
01:23:21 THEY ARE WORKING ALL OVER THE CITY, VERSUS JUST
01:23:25 CONCENTRATING ON THE CRA.
01:23:27 THAT WAY, IF YOU DO HAVE OUR OWN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON
01:23:31 FOR OUR CRA, THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY, MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
01:23:35 PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF THE MANAGERS, PERFORMANCE
01:23:38 EVALUATION OF THAT PERSON THAT WE CHOOSE TO HIRE TO MAKE
01:23:42 SURE THAT THE VISION IS CARRIED OUT ACROSS THE BOARD.
01:23:46 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT HERE
01:23:48 THAT TALKS ABOUT ANY PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS AT ALL.
01:23:52 I THINK THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN.
01:23:54 EVERYONE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.
01:23:56 I'M ACCOUNTABLE TO THE VOTERS.
01:23:59 I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING SOME
01:24:02 POLICIES WITHIN THE SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT.
01:24:05 I'M FOR HIRING AN OUTSIDE PERSON THAT WILL BE OVER OUR
01:24:09 MANAGERS AND BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH CITY STAFF AND HAVE
01:24:14 PERFORMED EVALUATIONS.
01:24:17 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:24:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:24:20 I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW.
01:24:22 MAYBE I'M DIFFERENT.
01:24:25 I HAVE NEVER EVER, THAT I CAN RECALL, EVEN ATTENDED A CRA
01:24:29 MEETING OTHER THAN IN THIS CHAMBER.
01:24:31 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S FINE.
01:24:32 I DON'T BELIEVE YOU SHOULD DO THAT.
01:24:34 THAT'S ME PERSONALLY.
01:24:35 I MAY BE WRONG.
01:24:36 BUT WHEN YOU GO SITTING AS A CRA MEMBER OF THE SIT AND YOU
01:24:40 GO TO A CRA MEETING, WHETHER YOU SAY ONE WORD OR NOT, THAT
01:24:44 MAY OR MAY NOT CHANGE THE BALANCE OF WHOEVER IS GOING TO
01:24:51 VOTE AND WHICHEVER WAY YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE BECAUSE AN
01:24:53 ELECTED OFFICIAL IS THERE.
01:24:54 I STAY AWAY FROM THAT.
01:24:56 I NEVER HAVE BEEN, AND YOU CAN FIND ME WRONG.
01:25:00 I DON'T EVER RECALL GOING TO ONE OF THEM.
01:25:02 I DO IT WITH REASON AND WITH INTENT.
01:25:05 I STAY AWAY BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DO THE SAME
01:25:09 THING WITH DEVELOPERS.
01:25:11 I DON'T GO INTO DEVELOPERS' OFFICES AND SEE WHAT PLANS THEY
01:25:15 GOT.
01:25:16 I STAY AWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO APPEAR BEFORE ME.
01:25:19 BUT THE CRA IS VERY SPECIAL.
01:25:23 IT'S A HELP -- SAYING THAT, I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR ANOTHER
01:25:29 CRA TO BE FORMED BECAUSE LAST YEAR ALONE, IT WAS A HIT OF
01:25:34 $25 MILLION TO THE BUDGET.
01:25:36 AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
01:25:40 IN THE PAST AND WHY IS SOMETHING GOING TO ONE PLACE, LET ME
01:25:43 PUT IT BACK SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND.
01:25:45 IF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO DO A CLEANUP, DO
01:25:49 THEY DO ONE HOUSE HERE AND ONE HOUSE THERE AND ONE HOUSE
01:25:52 HERE OR DO ONE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AT ONE TIME SO PEOPLE CAN
01:25:56 SEE THE DIFFERENCE, SEE A CHANGE?
01:25:57 WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THE SUBDIVISION AND YOU HAVE
01:26:02 500 ACRES, YOU PUT ONE OF 500 ACRES OVER THERE -- YOU DON'T
01:26:06 SEE NOBODY, NO, YOU PUT -- PEOPLE WILL SEE CHANGE.
01:26:10 WHEN YOU GO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD, DO YOU BUILD ONE HOUSE
01:26:13 ON ONE BLOCK?
01:26:14 OR BUILD TEN OF THEM.
01:26:17 THE PROBLEM IS TODAY, MOST OF US DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOUR
01:26:22 NEIGHBORS ARE.
01:26:24 BECAUSE OF A WAY OF LIFE.
01:26:26 CONVENTIONS THAT ARE GREAT FOR SOCIETY, BUT PEOPLE CAN'T
01:26:29 COMMUNICATE ANYMORE.
01:26:31 WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE MORNING, WHO'S RIDING A BUS?
01:26:35 SEE KIDS TEXTING EACH OTHER AND THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH
01:26:38 OTHER.
01:26:38 WE LIVE IN A GREAT WORLD.
01:26:40 HOWEVER, I JUST FEEL THAT ONCE YOU START TAKING PARTS OF
01:26:44 WHAT'S BEEN WORKING, AND IT HAS WORKED, THAT I KNOW OF, THIS
01:26:50 CRA IN TAMPA HAS NEVER HAD ANY GREAT PROBLEMS FROM ANY OTHER
01:26:55 GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING THE STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
01:26:59 HOWEVER, LOOK AT OTHER AREAS IN THE STATE, AND THERE IS A
01:27:02 DIFFERENCE.
01:27:03 NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME HAD SOME PROBLEMS.
01:27:07 I JUST FEEL THAT WHOEVER THE CITY HIRES, WE STILL HAVE THE
01:27:14 RIGHT TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
01:27:15 IT AIN'T WORKING.
01:27:16 FIND ANOTHER ONE.
01:27:18 HE OR SHE.
01:27:18 WHEN YOU START TAKING APART ONE LITTLE SCREW OUT OF AN
01:27:24 ENGINE, THAT ENGINE IS NOT GOING TO TRAVEL VERY FAR.
01:27:27 WHEN YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL, HIRED BY THE CRA BOARD, AND THE
01:27:33 MANAGERS HIRED IN ESSENCE BY THE CITY, AND IT'S NOT 1.7
01:27:39 MILLION COMING OUT OF THE CITY BUDGET.
01:27:40 IT'S 1.7 MILLION COMING TO THE CRA BUDGET THAT WOULD AFFECT
01:27:45 SOMEBODY ELSE'S LIFE.
01:27:46 THE CITY MAY NOT BE FUNDING ALL OF IT.
01:27:49 THERE IS A LOT OF IT DONE THAT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE THAT'S
01:27:52 DONE FOR FREE.
01:27:53 WHEN WE START MESSING AROUND WITH THAT, IT AIN'T GOING TO BE
01:27:57 1.7, IT MAY BE 2.7 THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OUT OF THE CRA.
01:28:02 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO THEN?
01:28:04 THE 1.7 IS ABOUT A 50-50 MATCH.
01:28:07 I MAY BE 3.4 MATHEMATICALLY.
01:28:11 WHAT I'M SAYING, BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU DO FOR CHANGE, IF THAT
01:28:15 CHANGE MAY COME BACK TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT?
01:28:18 I ERRORED.
01:28:20 AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH MAKING AN ERROR, AS LONG AS
01:28:22 YOU ADMIT IT.
01:28:24 I WAS TAUGHT ONE THING IN BASEBALL, YOU CAN MAKE AN ERROR.
01:28:27 YOU CAN'T MAKE A MISTAKE.
01:28:29 THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
01:28:30 I'M NOT GOING THAT ROUTE.
01:28:32 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:28:33 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
01:28:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THE MATTER IS JUST ABOUT HIRING OUR
01:28:37 OWN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, IF THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT, THAT
01:28:40 PERSON WOULD BE, I WOULD CONSIDER THEM FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
01:28:43 AND NOT BEHOLDEN TO ANYONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF THE INFORMATION
01:28:47 THAT THAT PERSON WOULD GIVE THE CRA.
01:28:49 UP UNTIL NOW, WE'VE HAD THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR
01:28:52 THAT'S PAID 50-50, BUT THAT PERSON IS VERY CLOSE TO THE
01:28:57 MAYOR.
01:28:57 I REMEMBER AS I WAS CHAIRMAN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, PEOPLE
01:29:02 WOULD TELL ME, YOU DON'T REALIZE THE POWER YOU HAVE.
01:29:05 YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ATTORNEY.
01:29:06 YOU HAVE YOUR OWN STAFF.
01:29:08 YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE OTHER SIDE.
01:29:10 AND WE DIDN'T ABUSE THAT POWER AS THE CRA BOARD, BUT MOVING
01:29:14 FORWARD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE POSITION, WE'RE NOT TALKING
01:29:17 ABOUT CHANGING THE ENTIRE STAFF, BUT SOMEONE THAT OVERSEES
01:29:20 THE MANAGERS, I THINK IT WOULD BE A MORE EFFICIENT PROCESS
01:29:23 BECAUSE WE GO TO ONE PERSON THAT GIVES US THE INFORMATION
01:29:27 AND THAT'S IT.
01:29:28 THAT'S ALREADY DONE THE COMMUNICATING, JUST LIKE THE CHIEF
01:29:31 OF STAFF.
01:29:31 YOU OVERSEE ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT SHOULD I HAVE A
01:29:35 QUESTION, I CAN RELAY IT TO YOU AND THEN YOU GO FROM THERE.
01:29:40 I REALLY DON'T SEE THE ISSUE IF IT'S THIS ONE POSITION.
01:29:43 WE'RE NOT REORGANIZING EVERYTHING.
01:29:45 WE'RE JUST CENTRALIZING IT, LIKE AN UMBRELLA.
01:29:50 ONE PERSON THAT IS THE LIAISON AND THAT'S IT.
01:29:54 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:29:55 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:29:57 ON WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT WITH HAVING A
01:30:01 POTENTIAL EMPLOYEE DEDICATED SOLELY TO US, I'M OPEN TO THE
01:30:05 IDEA.
01:30:06 OBVIOUSLY, THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE FLESHED OUT, MORE
01:30:09 SPECIFICS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
01:30:11 BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST.
01:30:14 GIVEN SOME OF THE CONCERNS RISEN, I THINK IT CAN ALLEVIATE
01:30:22 CONCERNS OF CRA MEMBERS, ET CETERA AND BRING MORE OPENLY AND
01:30:25 POSITIVITY INTO THE CRAs.
01:30:27 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE ISSUE OF NONPROFITS OR
01:30:30 OTHER ORGANIZATION HELPING MANAGE CRA, DISCUSSIONS OF THE
01:30:36 EAST TAMPA CRA IN PARTICULAR GOING UNDER NONPROFIT,
01:30:39 PRIVATIZATION, MANAGEMENT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, TO
01:30:43 ME, I THINK THAT'S ULTIMATELY PROBABLY A SOLUTION IN SEARCH
01:30:47 OF A PROBLEM.
01:30:47 I'D HAVE TO SAY RESPECTFULLY.
01:30:49 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR CRAs RIGHT NOW, IN TERMS OF THE
01:30:52 CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE, CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY
01:30:57 PROGRESS ON THE CRAs, ET CETERA, THESE ARE THE TYPE OF
01:31:01 THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED WITH THE TOOLS IN THE SYSTEM WE
01:31:05 PRESENTLY HAVE.
01:31:06 RADICAL DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING
01:31:10 NOT WARRANTED.
01:31:11 WE HAVE NOT EXHAUSTED ALL THE REMEDIES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR
01:31:14 PLANS.
01:31:14 THIS EMPLOYEE MAY BE ONE OF THE REMEDIES.
01:31:17 IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I'M OPEN TO LOOKING AT.
01:31:20 WE HAVE VERY GOOD, I BELIEVE, CRAs HERE IN THE CITY OF
01:31:23 TAMPA.
01:31:23 A LOT OF THE STUFF YOU HEAR COMING OUT OF TALLAHASSEE IS NOT
01:31:26 OR SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTED HERE AT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
01:31:29 I THINK BY TAKING RADICAL DEPARTURES, WE SEND THE WRONG
01:31:32 MESSAGE TO TALLAHASSEE AND THOSE FOLKS WHO DO NOT RESPECT
01:31:36 LOCAL RULE, WHICH IS THAT WE'RE DEVIATING FROM A SYSTEM THAT
01:31:43 WORKS AND THAT CAN BE IMPROVED BUT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF
01:31:43 THE SYSTEM AS WE KNOW IT.
01:31:43 I THINK THAT MAYBE HIRING AN ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE SOLELY
01:31:46 DEDICATED TO THE CRA WORKS WITHIN THAT SYSTEM.
01:31:49 OTHER MEASURES I DON'T THINK ARE WARRANTED AT THIS TIME, IN
01:31:52 MY OPINION.
01:31:52 >>JOE CITRO: WELL SAID, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:31:56 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:31:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:32:00 THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT.
01:32:01 A COUPLE OF THINGS.
01:32:03 IT'S FUNNY, BILL, AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS LAST NIGHT, I
01:32:07 WROTE MYSELF A NOTE AND I SAID DEDICATED CRA MANAGER,
01:32:11 QUESTION MARK.
01:32:12 I HADN'T TAKEN IT TO THE LEVEL THAT YOU SUGGESTED, ALTHOUGH
01:32:18 I'M HEARING SOME GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT.
01:32:21 I THINK IF WE DID THAT AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, I THINK
01:32:25 IT'S A KIND OF NEAT IDEA, BUT IF WE DID IT, I THINK WE'D
01:32:28 HAVE TO GOING TO MEET AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY AS OUR
01:32:32 CONTRACTOR, MODIFY THE SERVICE AGREEMENT SLIGHTLY TO BE
01:32:37 ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT IF THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE IN THAT
01:32:39 POSITION ANSWERING DIRECTLY TO US, THERE'S A CHAIN OF
01:32:43 COMMAND CONCERN I HAVE BECAUSE THOSE SIX OR EIGHT FOLKS OUT
01:32:49 THERE RIGHT NOW ANSWER TO YOU AND THE MAYOR.
01:32:55 IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN INJECT THIS NEW PERSON WHO ANSWERS TO
01:33:00 US, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT PERHAPS IN
01:33:04 WRITING THAT THEY WOULD ANSWER TO THAT PERSON THAT WE PUT IN
01:33:07 THERE, OTHERWISE, THAT PERSON FLOUNDERS AROUND BY THEMSELVES
01:33:11 WITHOUT HAVING ANYBODY WORKING FOR THEM.
01:33:13 YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING ON THAT, JOHN.
01:33:16 >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH.
01:33:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL RUN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS.
01:33:20 MR. VIERA, IN REGARD TO THE BIGGER ITEM THAT'S ON ITEM 3 AND
01:33:26 ITEM 10, AND I BROUGHT THAT UP PROBABLY AT THE FIRST CRA
01:33:31 MEETING, I HAD A CHAT WITH A SENIOR MANAGER IN THE CITY
01:33:38 RECENTLY WHO HAS DONE GREAT THINGS IN THAT PERSON'S
01:33:42 DEPARTMENT, AND THAT SENIOR MANAGER SAID, YOU KNOW,
01:33:44 SOMETIMES IN THESE BUREAUCRACIES YOU JUST HAVE TO SHAKE
01:33:48 THINGS UP A LITTLE BIT TO GET POSITIVE MOVEMENT.
01:33:50 MR. BENNETT MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH THE PERSON I'M TALKING
01:33:56 ABOUT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S
01:34:02 WHY I MADE THE MOTION.
01:34:04 THAT'S WHY I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IS TO REMIND OURSELVES,
01:34:08 TO REMIND THE CITY, TO REMIND THE COMMUNITY, AS BILL SAID,
01:34:13 THAT THE BUCK STOPS HERE.
01:34:14 IF SOMETHING SCREWS UP IN THE CRA, THAT GENTLEMAN TYPING
01:34:20 AGAINST THE WALL OVER THERE IS GOING TO BE ASKING US ABOUT
01:34:23 IT.
01:34:24 THEREFORE, WE DO NEED TO TAKE MORE RESPONSIBILITY, AND
01:34:27 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
01:34:29 SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION.
01:34:31 I'M NOT ADVOCATING TODAY.
01:34:35 I THINK THIS IS A NEW ADMINISTRATION.
01:34:36 I LIKE THE TONE THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING IN ALL SORTS OF
01:34:40 DIRECTIONS FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION.
01:34:43 I THINK WE CAN MODIFY AND TWEAK AND REFINE, AND THAT'S WHERE
01:34:47 WE'RE AT TODAY.
01:34:49 BUT I LIKED YOUR SUGGESTION, BILL.
01:34:52 I THINK A DEDICATED CRA MANAGER, KIND OF SIMILAR TO MARTIN
01:34:56 SHELBY WHO ANSWERS TO US, IS A GOOD IDEA.
01:35:02 JUST SOME OTHER LITTLE ISSUES.
01:35:05 I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUDGET FOR OURSELVES
01:35:11 IN TERMS OF MANAGING THE CRA OR GETTING FURTHER EDUCATED ON
01:35:17 GOOD PRACTICES.
01:35:17 WHAT IF WE WANTED TO BRING IN AN EXPERT TO TALK TO US ABOUT
01:35:22 THESE THINGS?
01:35:22 WE HAVE NOTHING.
01:35:23 I THINK DOWN THE ROAD WE SHOULD LOOK AT A BUDGET AMENDMENT
01:35:26 TO ADDRESS SOMETHING NOMINAL LIKE $50,000 AS AN
01:35:29 ADMINISTRATIVE BUDGET FOR THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.
01:35:32 AUDITS, SAL OR ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME ON
01:35:39 THIS, I DON'T RECALL SEEING ANY AUDITS IN TERMS OF THE
01:35:45 INDIVIDUAL CRAs OR THE CRA AS A WHOLE.
01:35:49 DOES THE CITY AUDIT STAFF AUDIT THIS GROUP?
01:35:53 AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION TO US IS, SHOULD WE HAVE ANY KIND
01:35:57 OF OUTSIDE AUDIT?
01:35:59 LITTLE MORE INDEPENDENT AUDIT.
01:36:01 >>SAL TERRITO: SAL TERRITO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:36:04 THERE IS A FINANCIAL AUDIT THAT IS DONE EVERY YEAR FOR THE
01:36:06 CITY.
01:36:07 YOU ARE INCLUDED AS A SEPARATE ITEM, BUT IT'S AN INDEPENDENT
01:36:10 AUDIT THAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE ACTUAL AUDIT DOCUMENT, BUT IT
01:36:13 IS SEPARATE.
01:36:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE FINANCIAL AUDIT.
01:36:15 >>SAL TERRITO: THAT IS THE FINANCIAL AUDIT.
01:36:19 AS FAR AS THE PERFORMANCE AUDIT, THEY HAVE NOT DONE THAT.
01:36:21 I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, YOU COULD HAVE THAT DONE
01:36:24 BY THE INTERNAL STAFF.
01:36:26 I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A COST TO THAT, UNLESS YOU GET SOME
01:36:29 AGREEMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
01:36:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I FIND THE PERFORMANCE AUDITS VERY
01:36:34 VALUABLE, DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS DO
01:36:37 FIND -- USUALLY THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING HUGE BUT SOMETIMES
01:36:42 THEY FIND LITTLE THINGS AND THEY WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO
01:36:44 FIX THOSE.
01:36:45 I THINK THAT WOULD BE HEALTHY FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO
01:36:48 THAT.
01:36:48 THE FINAL COMMENT I HAVE, AND, BILL, THIS RELATES A LITTLE
01:36:53 BIT TO WHERE YOU WERE HEADED, THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS COME
01:36:59 UP WITH THEIR OWN STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT THIS BODY, TALKING
01:37:05 ABOUT THINGS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC
01:37:09 DEVELOPMENT AND BIG-PICTURE THINGS, WE NEED TO GO INTO A
01:37:12 RETREAT WITH A FACILITATOR AND COME UP WITH OUR OWN
01:37:15 STRATEGIC PLAN, WHAT IS THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CRA OF
01:37:21 TAMPA AS A WHOLE.
01:37:22 THAT'S MY HUMBLE OPINION.
01:37:26 OBVIOUSLY, IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD, THEY CAN HELP
01:37:29 FACILITATE THAT PROCESS.
01:37:30 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:37:33 I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WERE YOU FINISHED?
01:37:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK I WAS.
01:37:37 THANK YOU.
01:37:37 >>JOE CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:37:38 >>BILL CARLSON: SEVERAL SHORT COMMENTS.
01:37:42 WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID ABOUT INFLUENCE OR INTERVENTION
01:37:47 IN THE INDIVIDUAL CRAs, CAME UP IN THAT GRAND JURY REPORT
01:37:51 THAT I SENT YOU ALL, TOO.
01:37:53 IT CAN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO USE LITTLE FIEFDOMS IN
01:37:58 OUR DISTRICT OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
01:38:00 WE DO NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
01:38:02 IF WE HAVE A FULL-TIME PERSON THAT WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
01:38:04 JUST A COUPLE OF IDEAS ABOUT HAVING A FULL-TIME CRA
01:38:10 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, I WOULD CALL IT, BECAUSE WE WANT A
01:38:14 PRETTY SENIOR LEVEL PERSON, I THINK.
01:38:16 NUMBER ONE, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS, COUNCILMAN
01:38:18 DINGFELDER.
01:38:19 IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
01:38:21 IF THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE STAFF OF THE CRAs
01:38:26 DON'T LIKE THE PERSON, THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US FEEDBACK
01:38:29 AND SAY, WE'LL PULL OUT OF THE CONTRACT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE
01:38:32 SOMETHING, RIGHT?
01:38:33 THERE IS A TWO-WAY STREET THERE.
01:38:37 THE OTHER THING, DID YOU HEAR THAT PART, MR. BENNETT, SAID
01:38:41 IT WAS A TWO-WAY STREET.
01:38:42 THE OTHER THING, IF WE GET DOWN TO DOING THIS, WE COULD
01:38:46 PROPOSE FORMALLY OR INFORMALLY THAT CHIEF OF STAFF AND MAYOR
01:38:52 WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A COURTESY INTERVIEW WITH THE PERSON TO
01:38:55 MAKE SURE THE PERSON IS COMPATIBLE, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A
01:38:58 DIRECT REPORTING STRUCTURE, BUT THE PERSON HAS TO BE ABLE TO
01:39:00 GET ALONG.
01:39:02 LIKE OUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES AND MARTY.
01:39:04 MARTY HAS TO BE ABLE TO GET ALONG WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
01:39:07 OUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES HAVE TO GET ALONG WITH OTHER STAFF.
01:39:10 TO THAT POINT, THREE OF US WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
01:39:13 COMMISSION AND OUR ATTORNEY, SO FOUR OF US ON THE CHARTER
01:39:16 REVIEW COMMISSION.
01:39:18 MAYBE MS. ZELMAN CAN TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT WE DID, ONE OF THE
01:39:22 THINGS WE DID IS WE EXPANDED THE ABILITY OF CITY COUNCIL TO
01:39:26 HIRE ITS OWN STAFF.
01:39:27 PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE SAID IN THE FUTURE, AS
01:39:29 THE CITY GROWS, MAYBE WE'LL NEED MORE THAN JUST THE STAFF WE
01:39:34 HAVE NOW.
01:39:36 AND I WONDER WITHIN -- SO THE OPTIONS ARE WE AS THE CRA, THE
01:39:40 PRIOR ATTORNEY TOLD US THAT WE COULD HIRE OUR OWN STAFF
01:39:43 PERSON, BUT WE DON'T HAVE HR AND ALL OF THAT.
01:39:46 THE SECOND OPTION, LIKE WE DO WITH MARTY, I THINK HE'S AN
01:39:51 INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR BUT WE HIRE HIM AND HE ACTS LIKE A
01:39:54 STAFF PERSON.
01:39:55 A THIRD OPTION MIGHT BE THAT THERE IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT
01:39:58 BETWEEN CRA AND CITY COUNCIL WHERE THE CRA PAYS THE CITY
01:40:02 COUNCIL FUND FOR STAFF, AND THEN THE PERSON IS AN EMPLOYEE
01:40:06 JUST LIKE OUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES, BUT IS FUNDED THROUGH THE
01:40:10 CITY COUNCIL STAFF.
01:40:12 JUST ANOTHER THOUGHT.
01:40:16 AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC PLAN AND OTHER THINGS,
01:40:21 MAYBE WE CAN MAKE MOTIONS REGARDING ALL OF THAT.
01:40:24 SHOULD WE MAKE A MOTION ABOUT HIRING -- I'D LIKE TO MAKE A
01:40:31 MOTION THAT WE INVESTIGATE HIRING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT
01:40:33 REPORTS DIRECTLY TO US.
01:40:35 I DON'T KNOW WHO WE WOULD ASK TO DO THAT.
01:40:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU IDENTIFIED A WHOLE DIFFERENT
01:40:41 STRUCTURE.
01:40:42 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD WRAP SOMETHING TOGETHER.
01:40:44 I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
01:40:48 COUNCIL -- SORRY, BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CRA, BUT THAT WE
01:40:55 ASK CITY STAFF TO WORK WITH US TO MODIFY POINTS NUMBER -- TO
01:41:02 AMEND ITEMS NUMBER 1 THROUGH 18 AND COME BACK TO US MAYBE AT
01:41:07 OUR NEXT MEETING TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THAT BASED ON
01:41:09 INPUT WITH EACH OF US SO THAT WE CAN REWORK THE GUIDELINES,
01:41:15 AND THEN NUMBER TWO, THAT STAFF WORK WITH US TO COME UP WITH
01:41:20 A PROPOSAL FOR HIRING A DEDICATED EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE
01:41:23 CRA AND MAKE THAT PROPOSAL BACK TO US MAYBE WITH OPTIONS
01:41:29 AGAIN AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
01:41:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
01:41:33 >>JOE CITRO: BEFORE WE GO INTO A VOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK
01:41:39 FOR COMMENTARY BOTH FROM CHIEF AND FROM SAL ON THIS.
01:41:44 >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE ABILITY
01:41:47 TO CONSIDER THE MOTION TO GET THROUGH THIS AND THEN WORK
01:41:49 WITH STAFF.
01:41:50 I THINK THAT'S A VERY SOLID ITERATIVE APPROACH TO SOMETHING
01:41:54 THAT HAS THIS MUCH VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY.
01:41:57 I THINK THERE ARE OPTIONS WITHIN THE OPTIONS.
01:41:59 WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS DISTILL ALL THE CONVERSATION
01:42:03 DOWN TO ONE WORD AS I ALWAYS DO.
01:42:05 IT COMES BACK TO WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE AND
01:42:08 THAT'S ACCOUNTABILITY.
01:42:09 WE TRY AND DO THAT THROUGH THE THREE Es I TALK ABOUT,
01:42:12 EFFICIENCY, EFFECTIVENESS AND EQUITY.
01:42:14 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EACH CRA GETS THEIR BEST NEEDS AND BEST
01:42:17 OUTCOMES.
01:42:18 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE,
01:42:21 WHICH HAS BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO GET THE BEST
01:42:24 VALUE FOR OUR DOLLAR.
01:42:25 WE ALSO KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF IN-KIND SERVICES AS
01:42:28 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED THAT GO UNLINE ITEMED UNTIL YOU
01:42:32 SEE THE LINE ITEMS IN A DIFFERENT MODEL.
01:42:34 SO THERE IS THE EFFICIENCY PART.
01:42:36 ULTIMATELY, THE EFFECTIVENESS IS TO GET THE JOB DONE IN THAT
01:42:39 LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
01:42:42 I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MOVE, I REALLY DO.
01:42:45 I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THE WHEELS OF
01:42:47 GOVERNMENT MOVING FOR ALL THE REASONS WE KNOW, BASED ON THE
01:42:50 BUDGET YOU APPROVED.
01:42:52 THIS IS NO SMALL SYSTEM THE CRA MODEL.
01:42:56 IT IS A BIG CITY.
01:42:57 IT IS A BIG CRA.
01:42:58 WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY ALL THE DIFFERENT CRAs.
01:43:00 I KNOW WE HAVE A DEDICATED MANAGERIAL STAFF THAT WANTS TO
01:43:05 PROVE THEIR LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY BACK TO THE CRA BOARD
01:43:07 WORKING WITH YOU.
01:43:08 I SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH AND TO KEEP USING THAT
01:43:11 WORD, SOME COLLEGIAL LEVEL OF INTEGRATION.
01:43:14 I'M FULLY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO ABOUT
01:43:19 GIVING US ROOM TO WORK TOGETHER AND COME BACK WITHIN A MONTH
01:43:22 IF THAT IS THE BOARD'S WISH.
01:43:26 >>JOE CITRO: ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, SAL?
01:43:28 THERE IS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECONDED BY
01:43:33 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:43:34 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
01:43:35 ALL OPPOSED?
01:43:38 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
01:43:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MOVE THE SERVICE AGREEMENT IF WE
01:43:46 DIDN'T MOVE IT DIRECTLY IN THAT LAST MOTION.
01:43:49 WAS THAT INCLUDED?
01:43:52 ALL RIGHT.
01:43:52 WHAT ELSE, MR. CHAIRMAN?
01:43:56 >>JOE CITRO: WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE?
01:43:59 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE HAVE WORK TO DO.
01:44:01 RIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
01:44:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I TOLD PEOPLE WHEN THEY COME TO ME ABOUT
01:44:08 JOHN BENNETT, WELL, YOU KNOW, JOHN HAS HIS WAYS.
01:44:11 WHAT I CAN SAY, HE TRIES TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS.
01:44:16 CAME UP TO ME AND TOLD ME ABOUT ONE OF THE PARKS I HAVE DOWN
01:44:21 IN THE SOUTH END OF TOWN AND TOLD ME THAT THE MEMORANDUM I
01:44:24 RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY, HE ASSEMBLED ALL OF THE STAFF
01:44:28 IN REFERENCE TO THOSE ISSUES AND HE ASKED QUESTIONS OF WHY
01:44:31 THESE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN DONE OVER THE YEARS.
01:44:33 WHY SOME TYPE OF BRIDGE HASN'T BEEN BUILT OVER THE WATER.
01:44:40 WE HAVE STANDING WATER.
01:44:42 YOU'RE DOING THINGS THAT GOT TO BE DONE.
01:44:45 PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE SERVICES.
01:44:47 IF WE'RE IN CHARGE OF A CITY, PEOPLE ARE PAYING TAXES.
01:44:53 AND THOSE WHO DON'T PAY TAXES, THEY LIVE HERE.
01:44:57 THEY DESERVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO BE ENJOYED.
01:45:00 I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS.
01:45:02 GLAD WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AGAIN AND TRY TO GET SOME THINGS
01:45:05 MOVING.
01:45:07 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I COULD JUST ADD ON TO THAT, WE HAD A
01:45:09 SAYING WHEN WE STARTED REALLY REDUCING CRIME HEAVILY, PATROL
01:45:14 LIKE YOU LIVE THERE.
01:45:16 THAT IS THE SAME ATTITUDE WE LIKE TO BRING TO THE FIELD
01:45:18 EVERY DAY.
01:45:18 I KNOW THE CRA MANAGERS.
01:45:20 I KNOW THE CITY STAFF WANTS TO WORK LIKE THEY LIVE WHERE
01:45:23 THEY WORK AND TREAT THE FACILITIES AND ALL THE
01:45:25 INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SAFETY THE SAME WAY AS IF THEY LIVE
01:45:28 IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
01:45:29 BUT I THINK SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LIBERATE THEIR ABILITY TO
01:45:33 GET THINGS DONE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS REMOVING
01:45:35 BARRIERS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION.
01:45:39 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
01:45:41 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:45:47 >>BILL CARLSON: [INAUDIBLE] -- ASK THE STAFF OR SOMEONE TO
01:45:54 GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE CAN GO THROUGH SOME KIND
01:45:56 OF STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING
01:46:01 GUIDANCE TO THE CRAs TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE BOUNDARIES
01:46:07 OR DIRECTIVES THAT WE THINK.
01:46:09 OTHERWISE WHAT HAPPENS, THEY KEEP COMING UP TO US AND WE
01:46:13 HAVE LONG DISCUSSIONS.
01:46:14 THE WAY WE CAN GET RID OF THE LONG DISCUSSION IS HAVING A
01:46:17 STRATEGIC PLAN.
01:46:19 I MOVE THAT STAFF COME BACK TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON
01:46:22 CREATING A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THIS BOARD.
01:46:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL.
01:46:28 >>JOE CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:46:31 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
01:46:33 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:46:33 ALL OPPOSED?
01:46:37 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:46:39 JUST TO CLARIFY, IS THAT FOR A REPORT NEXT MONTH OR IS THERE
01:46:43 A DATE?
01:46:44 NEXT MONTH.
01:46:44 THANK YOU.
01:46:48 >>JOE CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
01:46:49 I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO SAY THIS, HAVING BEEN A MEMBER OF A
01:47:01 GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HAD TWO CRAs, FIRST UNDER THE
01:47:05 LEADERSHIP OF MR. VINCE PARDO, THE AMBASSADOR, THE MAYOR OF
01:47:12 YBOR CITY.
01:47:12 THEN WITH MS. COURTNEY ORR.
01:47:18 I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT CRAs.
01:47:20 I'VE SEEN THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED.
01:47:24 LISTENING, LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS OF THOSE CRAs FIRST,
01:47:28 THEN HAVING THOSE IDEAS GO TO COMMITTEE, AND THEN APPROVAL
01:47:35 BY THE BOARDS.
01:47:37 AFTER THEY GOT THE APPROVALS BY THE BOARDS, IT THEN CAME TO
01:47:40 THIS BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL, WHERE THE BUCK STOPPED.
01:47:43 I AM GLAD THAT I HAD THOSE EIGHT YEARS TO SEE HOW CRAs
01:47:50 WORK AND THE GREAT THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, ESPECIALLY IN
01:47:54 YBOR CITY, NOT ONLY BUSINESS, ENTERTAINMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
01:47:59 BUT THE GREAT THINGS THAT CRAs CAN DO.
01:48:02 I'M GLAD I HAD THOSE EIGHT YEARS OF SERVICE.
01:48:05 I STILL GO BACK TO CRA BOARD MEETINGS, ONLY TO HEAR PUBLIC
01:48:10 DISCUSSION.
01:48:12 ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, AND MS. COURTNEY ORR WILL ATTEST TO
01:48:15 THIS, I STAND UP AND SAY I'M OUT OF HERE, I WILL TALK TO YOU
01:48:19 LATER.
01:48:19 CRAs FILL THE NICHES THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
01:48:24 I'M THANKFUL THAT I HAD THAT EXPERIENCE ON A CRA BOARD TO
01:48:31 SEE HOW THINGS WORK.
01:48:32 ANY INFORMATION?
01:48:35 LET'S START WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:48:38 INFORMATION REPORTS, NEW BUSINESS?
01:48:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NEW BUSINESS.
01:48:41 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:48:42 AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM THE CUBAN
01:48:45 CLUB AND ITS CHAIRMAN, PATRICK MONTEGA.
01:48:52 PATRICK HAS BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD WITH HIS TEAM TO DO
01:48:56 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CUBAN CLUB, AND I
01:48:58 DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT THE GREAT HISTORY OF THAT
01:49:03 BUILDING, BUT HE FEELS A LITTLE CONSTRAINED IN TERMS OF THE
01:49:07 CURRENT FACADE PROGRAM.
01:49:09 APPARENTLY IT EVEN WENT WORSE FOR HIM BECAUSE NOW APPARENTLY
01:49:14 OUR RULE 3.3.3 SAYS THAT YOU CAN ONLY COME BACK FOR
01:49:18 $50,000 ONCE EVERY 24 MONTHS.
01:49:21 I WROTE BACK TO PATRICK AND I SAID, WHAT KIND OF MONEY DO
01:49:26 YOU NEED FOR YOUR FACADE PROGRAM?
01:49:28 HE SAYS HE HASN'T PRICED OUT EXACTLY BUT PROBABLY IN THE
01:49:32 NEIGHBORHOOD OF $400,000.
01:49:34 AT THAT BASIS, IT WOULD TAKE HIM 16 YEARS OF $50,000 EVERY
01:49:38 OTHER YEAR TO HIT THAT LEVEL.
01:49:40 WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO US NEXT
01:49:50 MONTH AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE CERTAIN UNIQUE,
01:49:55 NONPROFIT STRUCTURES, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT OWN
01:50:02 BUILDINGS THAT ARE ON THE HISTORIC REGISTRY, LIKE THE CUBAN
01:50:07 CLUB OR THE ITALIAN CLUB OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY MIGHT
01:50:13 QUALIFY FOR MORE THAN THE 50,000 IN TERMS OF FACADE GRANTS,
01:50:17 MAYBE 100,000, MAYBE 150,000.
01:50:19 I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YBOR CAN AFFORD.
01:50:21 AND ALSO THAT WE REDUCE THAT BACK TO EVERY 12 MONTHS SO THAT
01:50:28 THOSE SPECIFIC BUILDINGS UNDER THAT TYPE OF OWNERSHIP
01:50:30 WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT 24 MONTHS.
01:50:32 SO THAT'S MY MOTION.
01:50:33 >> SECOND.
01:50:34 >>JOE CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:50:37 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:50:39 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
01:50:40 ALL OPPOSED?
01:50:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: APPARENTLY, MR. BENNETT, YOU NEED TO WORK
01:50:46 WITH LEGAL ON THAT, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF OUR
01:50:49 POLICIES.
01:50:50 IF WE WENT THAT DIRECTION, WE NEED TO AMEND OUR POLICY.
01:50:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTOOD.
01:50:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S ALL.
01:50:56 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:50:58 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:50:59 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
01:51:00 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:51:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:51:02 I HAVE ONE ITEM.
01:51:07 FOR YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN CALLED THE RETENTION POND CAPITAL OF
01:51:12 EAST TAMPA.
01:51:13 THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
01:51:15 THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN
01:51:20 TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.
01:51:23 STATE REPRESENTATIVE HART, WE HAD A CONVERSATION THE OTHER
01:51:26 NIGHT IN REFERENCE TO ONE PARTICULAR AREA.
01:51:29 I'M LOOKING TO GET INFORMATION IN REFERENCE TO THIS
01:51:33 PARTICULAR AREA.
01:51:33 I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
01:51:36 IT HAS ABOUT NINE DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE MOTION.
01:51:39 I WON'T READ THEM ALL, BUT I WILL GIVE THE MOTION AS TO
01:51:41 REFERENCE TO WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL POND ON 26th AVENUE
01:51:47 BETWEEN 22nd AND 26th STREET.
01:51:49 LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE NINE
01:51:53 DIFFERENT POINTS I HAVE ON THE MOTION I'M GOING TO MAKE AND
01:52:00 SUBMIT TO THE CLERK.
01:52:01 I NEED THEM AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE.
01:52:03 IF I CAN GET A SECOND THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
01:52:07 >>JOE CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECONDED BY
01:52:11 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:52:12 BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
01:52:14 ARE YOU JUST ASKING FOR THIS ONE RETENTION POND OR ALL THE
01:52:20 RETENTION PONDS --
01:52:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE IN PARTICULAR.
01:52:23 >>JOE CITRO: DOES F.D.O.T. --
01:52:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOME SAY RETENTION, SOME SAY ENVIRONMENTAL
01:52:30 PLAN.
01:52:32 [CELL PHONE BUZZING]
01:52:34 -- THEY NEED TO CONTACT F.D.O.T. OR WHOEVER, THAT'S FINE.
01:52:38 >>JOE CITRO: SOME OF THE RETENTION PONDS DO BELONG TO
01:52:41 F.D.O.T. AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE.
01:52:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEY WILL CONTACT WHO THEY NEED TO CONTACT
01:52:48 AND BRING THE INFORMATION BACK TO US.
01:52:49 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:52:51 [CELL PHONE BUZZING]
01:52:56 >>JOE CITRO: ANYTHING ELSE COUNCILMAN GUDES?
01:52:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S IT.
01:52:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING, SIR.
01:53:03 >>JOE CITRO: THANK YOU.
01:53:03 I NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:53:06 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:53:08 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:53:11 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
01:53:12 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
01:53:13 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
01:53:14 [ADJOURNED]
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