TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3, 2019
9:00 A.M. SESSION
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09:01:36 >>LUIS VIERA: ROLL CALL, PLEASE. OH, I'M SORRY. WHO HAS
09:01:37 THE INVOCATION?
09:01:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:01:45 IT'S MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME A VERY GOOD FRIEND AND
09:01:48 COMMUNITY LEADER, BRYAN FRY, CURRENTLY IN HIS FOURTH YEAR
09:01:54 AS A PROFESSIONAL REAL ESTATE AGENT.
09:01:57 HE ENJOYED A 31-YEAR CAREER IN LIVE THEATRICAL
09:02:02 ENTERTAINMENT WHICH LITERALLY BEGAN HERE IN TAMPA WHEN HE
09:02:05 WAS 19 YEARS OLD.
09:02:06 HE HAS TRAVELED THOUSANDS OF MILES AROUND THE WORLD WITH
09:02:10 SUCH WORLD-RENOWNED COMPANIES BUSCH ENTERTAINMENT
09:02:11 CORPORATION, BUSCH GARDENS, PRINCESS CRUISES, CIRQUE DU
09:02:16 SOLEIL, AMONG OTHERS. PRIOR TO RETURNING TO TAMPA, HE
09:02:19 SERVED AS THE VICE PRESIDENT AND GENERAL MANAGER OF
09:02:19 ATLANTIS THEATER OF THE STARS PRODUCING BROADWAY NATIONAL
09:02:23 AND REGIONAL TOURS.
09:02:24 MR. FRY LIVES WITH HIS HUSBAND TROY AND THREE DOGS IN
09:02:24 BEAUTIFUL HAMPTON TERRACE IN OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. HE IS
09:02:29 A VERY PASSIONATE AND ACTIVE COMMUNITY LEADER AND
09:02:32 ADVOCATE AND FOUNDING PRESIDENT OF THE HAMPTON TERRACE
09:02:35 COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
09:02:36 PLEASE STAND FOR THE PRAYER AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
09:02:38 PLEDGE.
09:02:39 MR. FRY.
09:02:39 >> LET'S BOW OUR HEADS.
09:02:43 HOLY ONE, KNOWN BY MANY NAMES AND BEYOND ALL NAMES,
09:02:47 SPIRIT OF LIFE, SPIRIT OF LOVE, SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY AND
09:02:51 SPIRIT OF JUSTICE.
09:02:52 WE ASK YOUR BLESSINGS AND COUNTENANCE FOR OUR HONORABLE
09:02:56 MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, OUR CITY STAFF AND ALL THE PEOPLE
09:02:59 WHO HAVE BEEN CALLED TO LEAD THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE
09:03:02 WORK, LIVE AND PLAY. GUIDE THEM AS LEADERS TO NOT ONLY
09:03:05 ASK HOW DO WE FIX PROBLEMS BUT TO ASK HOW DO WE NEED TO
09:03:09 LEARN, HOW MIGHT WE NEED TO CHANGE, HOW CAN WE DO BETTER,
09:03:11 AND TO WHOM DO WE NEED TO LISTEN?
09:03:13 REMIND EACH OF THEM THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY LEADERS BUT
09:03:17 ALSO SERVANTS AND IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND OURS TO
09:03:20 SERVE THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL THE CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT
09:03:22 CITY.
09:03:23 AS DAY TO DAY POLITICAL BUSINESS CAN SOMETIMES CLOUD OUR
09:03:25 JUDGMENT OR STEER US TO WALK A DIFFERENT PATH, MAY THEY
09:03:28 BE GRANTED THE WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND FORETHOUGHT TO ALIGN
09:03:32 THEIR HEARTS AND THEIR MINDS IN THE DIRECTIONS THAT
09:03:34 BETTER SERVE OUR CITIZENS AND OUR CITY.
09:03:36 REMIND THEM NO MATTER WHERE OR HOW WE LIVE, NO MATTER OUR
09:03:40 MEANS, THAT EVERYONE, GAY, STRAIGHT, TRANSGENDER, BLACK
09:03:43 OR WHITE, HISPANIC OR ASIAN, MUSLIM, JEW, HINDU, SHEIK OR
09:03:50 ATHEIST, HE IS OUR NEIGHBOR, AND PROPHETS HAVE CALLED THE
09:03:54 LEADERS TO PROTECT THE LEAST OF THOSE AMONG US, THE
09:03:59 CHILDREN, THE ELDERLY, THE POOR, THOSE WHO ARE HUNGRY,
09:04:02 THOSE WHO HAVE NO HOMES, THOSE WHO ARE ILL IN BODY OR
09:04:06 MIND OR SPIRIT, THE STRANGERS AND IMMIGRANTS IN OUR
09:04:07 MIDST, THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE MARGINS, THOSE WHO ARE
09:04:09 ALONE, AND THOSE WHO ARE FORGOTTEN.
09:04:12 GRANT THEM AND US THE WISDOM AND COURAGE TO KNOW AND DO
09:04:16 WHAT IS RIGHT, GOOD AND TRUE.
09:04:18 MAY WE TOGETHER SPEAK OUT WHEN IT'S TIME TO SPEAK OUT AND
09:04:21 LISTEN PATIENTLY AND RECEPTIVELY WHEN IT'S TIME TO
09:04:24 LISTEN.
09:04:24 CONTINUE TO REMIND US ALL THAT WHAT IS DONE HERE TODAY,
09:04:28 ALL THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED, IS FOR THE PURSUIT OF TRUTH AND
09:04:31 FOR THE SERVICE OF HUMANITY.
09:04:33 MAY WE TOGETHER ALWAYS BE GUIDED BY THE SPIRIT OF
09:04:36 COMMUNITY, BY THE SPIRIT OF JUSTICE AND BY THE SPIRIT OF
09:04:38 LOVE.
09:04:39 HOLY ONE, WE GIVE THANKS FOR EVERYONE GATHERED HERE NOW.
09:04:42 OPEN OUR MINDS SO WE MAY RECEIVE YOUR ETERNAL WISDOM.
09:04:47 OPEN OUR SPIRITS SO WE MAY KNOW YOUR LEADING AND GUIDANCE
09:04:51 AND OPEN OUR HEARTS TO RECEIVE YOUR WONDERFUL LOVE. THIS
09:04:53 WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF ALL WE PRAY HOLY AND GOOD AND TRUE
09:04:58 AND ALL THAT WE KNOW TO BE RIGHT AND TRUST.
09:05:01 MAY IT BE SO.
09:05:02 AMEN.
09:05:02 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:05:05 >>LUIS VIERA: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:05:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:05:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:05:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:05:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:05:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:05:25 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:05:25 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:05:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:28 WE BEGIN NOW WITH ITEM NUMBER 1.
09:05:29 OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MS. GRIMES.
09:05:32 >>GINA GRIMES: GOOD MORNING.
09:05:34 GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.
09:05:37 AND I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER 1 AND TO
09:05:40 CLEAR UP SOME CONFUSION I THINK THAT OCCURRED LAST WEEK
09:05:45 CAUSED IN PART BY OUR OFFICE.
09:05:47 I WANT TO BEGIN BY SAYING WHEN CHAIRMAN VIERA FIRST
09:05:50 RAISED THIS ISSUE, HE REQUESTED MARTY SHELBY, COUNCIL
09:05:57 ATTORNEY, TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND MARTY OBTAINED COPIES
09:06:01 OF SIMILAR RESOLUTIONS ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF ST. PETE
09:06:03 AND THE CITY OF CLEARWATER, AND THEY PROVIDED ME COPIES
09:06:06 OF THOSE RESOLUTIONS AND ACTUALLY CHAIRMAN VIERA DRAFTED
09:06:11 A PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
09:06:12 ON THE ISSUE I REVIEWED WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ALL HAD
09:06:15 THE AUTHORITY TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT SUPPORTS FEDERAL
09:06:21 LEGISLATION THAT WOULD BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS AND HIGH
09:06:26 CAPACITY AMMUNITION, MAGAZINES, AND ALSO THAT AFFECTS
09:06:32 SUPPORTING FEDERAL LEGISLATION THAT WOULD IMPOSE A
09:06:37 NATIONAL RED FLAG LAW, AND ALSO STRICTER LAWS WITH REGARD
09:06:41 TO BACKGROUND CHECKS.
09:06:44 AND AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, THERE'S A FLORIDA STATUTE
09:06:46 THAT DEALS WITH THIS SUBJECT, FLORIDA STATUTE 790.33 AND
09:06:52 IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS PREEMPTED
09:06:55 THE FIELD OF REGULATION OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.
09:06:59 THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
09:07:01 AND WHAT I EXAMINED WAS WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPOSED
09:07:04 RESOLUTION WOULD BE CONSISTENT OR IN VIOLATION WITH THAT
09:07:08 STATE PREEMPTION.
09:07:09 AND WHAT THAT STATE PREEMPTION PROVIDES IS THAT NO
09:07:13 MUNICIPALITY, NO LOCAL GOVERNMENT, CAN ADOPT AN
09:07:16 ORDINANCE, REGULATION OR RULE WITH REGARD TO FIREARMS OR
09:07:21 AMMUNITION.
09:07:23 BECAUSE THIS RESOLUTION IS A POLICY STATEMENT, OR A
09:07:28 POSITION STATEMENT WITH RESPECT TO FEDERAL LEGISLATION,
09:07:33 IT'S MY POSITION THAT IT DOES NOT VIOLATE THAT STATE
09:07:36 PREEMPTION.
09:07:37 SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD IF YOU SO
09:07:41 CHOOSE WITH A RESOLUTION AS I HAVE DESCRIBED.
09:07:44 THE ONE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO MENTION, BECAUSE I
09:07:47 THINK IT'S WORTHY OF MENTIONING, IS THAT THERE ARE
09:07:49 SUBSTANTIAL PENALTIES UNDER THE STATE LAW IF YOU DO IN
09:07:53 FACT VIOLATE IT.
09:07:54 AGAIN, A VIOLATION IS ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE, RULES OR
09:07:58 REGULATION REGARDING FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION.
09:08:03 IF YOU WERE TO BE FOUND TO VIOLATE THAT, THERE ARE
09:08:07 SUBSTANTIAL PENALTIES.
09:08:08 THERE IS A CASE OUT OF THE FIRST DISTRICT, LEON COUNTY,
09:08:13 THAT THERE HAS BEEN A RULING THAT SOME OF THOSE PENALTY
09:08:18 PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN DEEMED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
09:08:22 THE GOVERNOR, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE COMMISSIONER
09:08:25 OF THE FDLE HAVE ALL APPEALED THAT RULING.
09:08:28 SO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THOSE PENALTIES ARE
09:08:32 CONSTITUTIONAL OR NOT IS STILL IN QUESTION, BUT THEY ARE
09:08:36 SUBSTANTIAL PENALTIES, AND THEY INCLUDE SUCH THINGS AS
09:08:40 THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE DECLARED NULL AND VOID, AND A
09:08:44 PENALTY OF UP TO $5,000 CAN BE IMPOSED ON ANY OFFICIAL,
09:08:49 ELECTED, INCLUDING APPOINTED OFFICIALS, IF YOU VIOLATE
09:08:52 THAT STATUTE.
09:08:53 THERE IS ALSO A BASIS IN THERE FOR REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.
09:08:58 THE PUBLIC IS PROHIBITED FROM SPENDING PUBLIC FUNDS TO
09:09:01 DEFEND THE VIOLATION OF THAT STATUTE.
09:09:04 AND THEN THERE'S EVEN A CAUSE OF ACTION THAT'S PERMITTED
09:09:07 BY ANY ORGANIZATION WHOSE MEMBERSHIP IS AFFECTED BY AN
09:09:12 ORDINANCE, RULE OR REGULATION THAT VIOLATES THE STATUTE.
09:09:15 SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW ALL OF THAT UP FRONT.
09:09:17 I ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THE CASE REGARDING THE
09:09:20 CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THOSE PENALTY PROVISIONS.
09:09:22 BUT AGAIN, BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS A RESOLUTION MAKING A
09:09:27 POSITION STATEMENT THAT YOU ARE SUPPORTING FEDERAL
09:09:30 LEGISLATION WITH RESPECT TO ASSAULT WEAPONS AND GUN LAWS.
09:09:36 SO IT DOES NOT, IN MY OPINION, VIOLATE THAT STATUTORY
09:09:40 PREEMPTION.
09:09:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MS. GRIMES.
09:09:46 >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS OFFLINE BUT
09:09:48 SO WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE RECORD, THE ADVICE WE GOT LAST
09:09:51 WEEK, WAS IT -- SORRY IF I DON'T REMEMBER IT EXACTLY
09:09:54 RIGHT -- WAS EVEN IF WE DISCUSS IT, WE COULD BE IN
09:09:57 VIOLATION WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE.
09:10:01 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT'S NOT ACCURATE, AND I THINK AT THE
09:10:02 TIME THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS HERE, MR. TERRITO, WAS NOT
09:10:05 AWARE OF THE SPECIFIC TERMS OF THIS RESOLUTION.
09:10:08 THIS RESOLUTION IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A POSITION
09:10:12 STATEMENT SUPPORTING FEDERAL LEGISLATION.
09:10:14 IT'S IN NO WAY A RECALL OR REGULATION OR EVEN A POLICY
09:10:19 THAT THE CITY IS ADOPTING WITH RESPECT TO THE REGULATION
09:10:21 OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION.
09:10:24 >>BILL CARLSON: AND THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK ANOTHER
09:10:27 PIECE OF THAT ADVICE WAS THAT EVEN IF THE CITY ATTORNEY
09:10:32 SAYS THAT IT'S LEGAL, THERE'S NO PROTECTION FOR US
09:10:34 ANYWAY.
09:10:35 I KNOW WITH THE ETHICS COMMISSION THERE'S NOT BECAUSE I
09:10:38 WATCHED SOME OF THE CASES.
09:10:39 BUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF SOMEBODY DECIDED TO
09:10:43 FRIVOLOUSLY TRY TO FINE US, IS THERE ANY PROTECTION
09:10:47 BECAUSE YOU HAVE GIVEN US ADVICE?
09:10:49 >>GINA GRIMES: ONLY IF YOU VIOLATE THE STATUTE.
09:10:53 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
09:10:53 THANK YOU.
09:10:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, MS. GRIMES.
09:10:58 THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
09:10:59 I KNOW YOU HAD A BIG DISCUSSION.
09:11:01 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AND MR. SHELBY MET WITH PREVIOUS
09:11:06 DISCUSSION.
09:11:06 I TAKE IT SINCE YOU ARE HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO MAKE A
09:11:11 MOTION THAT WOULD BE CLEAR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS,
09:11:15 CORRECT?
09:11:16 >> YES, SIR.
09:11:16 I WORK HAPPY TO PREPARE THE FINAL RESOLUTION AND BRING IT
09:11:19 BACK IF THAT'S YOUR --
09:11:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM.
09:11:22 I WAS GOING TO DO THAT AT THE END.
09:11:24 NOT AT THIS TIME.
09:11:26 >>LUIS VIERA: AT THE END I WAS GOING TO DO THAT.
09:11:29 >>GINA GRIMES: ONE OTHER THING IF YOU WOULD ADD TO THE
09:11:31 RESOLUTION IS JUST A STATEMENT RECOGNIZING THAT YOU
09:11:34 ACKNOWLEDGE THE STATE'S AUTHORITY TO PREEMPT THIS AREA.
09:11:37 AND I THINK THAT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT
09:11:39 ATTEMPTING TO VIOLATE THAT PREEMPTION STATUTE.
09:11:41 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:11:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU MEAN YOU ARE GOING
09:11:47 TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THIS DISCUSSION OR --
09:11:51 >> END OF THE MEETING.
09:11:52 >>BILL CARLSON: I KNOW THERE ARE RULES BUT SINCE WE HAVE
09:11:54 THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD YOU MIND IF WE CHANGE THE RULES?
09:11:58 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, OF COURSE, IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL MORE
09:12:01 COMFORTABLE, MAKE THE MOTION RIGHT NOW.
09:12:04 WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF EVERYONE ELSE?
09:12:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
09:12:08 MY RECOMMENDATION, BEST PRACTICE, WOULD BE CONSIDER A
09:12:11 REQUEST BY THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ADD A PROVISION TO IT, IT
09:12:13 WILL HAVE TO BE AMENDED.
09:12:15 MY SUGGESTION IS TO TAKE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION WHEN
09:12:17 YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION, IF YOU WISH TO DO IT NOW, AND PUT
09:12:20 IT ON THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AGENDA.
09:12:23 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:12:24 AND YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL DO IS JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE AN
09:12:26 EXTENDED DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE IT AT THE END, BUT IT'S
09:12:28 GOING TO BE PREDICATED UPON THE CITY ATTORNEY AND COUNCIL
09:12:31 REVIEWING THE LANGUAGE SO WE WOULD -- AND AGAIN, YES.
09:12:39 WE ARE CERTAINLY IN THE CLEAR ACCORDING TO MS. GRIMES AND
09:12:42 I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO RELY ON THAT BUT I WILL BE
09:12:46 MAKING IT AT THE END.
09:12:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT SURE IF YOU WANT THIS NOW OR
09:12:50 LATER.
09:12:51 MS. GRIMES, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, ALL THE WAY
09:12:54 UP TILL THE LAST LINE, IN REGARD TO THE STATE'S
09:12:59 PREEMPTION AND RECOGNIZING THAT.
09:13:02 I THINK THE STATUTE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
09:13:04 I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING THE STATE HAS BEEN
09:13:07 DOING IN TERMS OF PREEMPTION, AND I HATE TO GIVE THEM ANY
09:13:11 KIND OF KUDOS OR EVEN ACKNOWLEDGMENT ON THAT.
09:13:16 SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
09:13:18 BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF --
09:13:23 >>LUIS VIERA: AND SINCE I WILL BE MAKING THE MOTION, I AM
09:13:26 NOT SALUTING OR SUBSTANCE, I AM SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE
09:13:30 NATURE OF THE LAW AND WE ARE NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT
09:13:32 THAT LAW WHICH I THINK IS A DISTINCTION.
09:13:35 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT'S CORRECT.
09:13:36 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
09:13:37 OKAY.
09:13:37 THANK YOU, MS. GRIMES.
09:13:38 WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.
09:13:40 AND ALL THE WORK OF YOUR OFFICE.
09:13:41 THANK YOU.
09:13:43 NOW, I WANTED TO, IF I MAY, WE HAVE A COMMENDATION FOR
09:13:46 NUMBER 2.
09:13:47 I DON'T BELIEVE EVERYBODY IS HERE FOR THAT ONE.
09:13:50 I DON'T SEE HERE.
09:13:51 SO IF I MAY, I AM GOING TO MOVE, BEFORE WE APPROVE THE
09:13:54 AGENDA ON NUMBER 3, GO WITHIN NUMBER 2.
09:13:56 I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTIONING TO THAT AFFECT.
09:13:58 BUT MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, THE
09:14:01 ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA?
09:14:03 >> SO MOVED.
09:14:04 >>LUIS VIERA: I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE.
09:14:06 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND BY
09:14:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:14:11 ANY OPPOSED?
09:14:12 NOW I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUR FRIEND AND CITY COUNCIL
09:14:14 COUNCILMAN GUDES TO GO FORWARD IF YOU WOULD FOR OUR FIRST
09:14:18 ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH.
09:14:20 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS -- I BROUGHT UP MAYBE A
09:14:24 COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO IN CITY COUNCIL, AND I WANTED TO
09:14:27 MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A METHOD BY WHICH AT LEAST ONCE
09:14:30 EVERY TWO MONTHS THAT WE HONOR A CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE
09:14:35 FOR THEIR HARD WORK.
09:14:36 WE WERE RIGHT TO DO IT FOR OUR FRIENDS WITH TAMPA FIRE
09:14:39 AND TAMPA POLICE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN HEAR SOMETIMES,
09:14:43 WHY DON'T WE DO IT FOR OUR ATU MEMBERS AND OUR OTHER CITY
09:14:47 OF TAMPA WORKERS, AND HERE IN THIS CITY WE HONOR WORK,
09:14:50 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
09:14:53 COUNCILMAN GUDES, TODAY IT AWAY.
09:14:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THANK
09:14:56 YOU FOR AFFORDING ME TO BESTOW THIS GREAT HONOR ON OUR
09:15:00 CITY EMPLOYEES, GENERAL EMPLOYEES.
09:15:03 AND I MUST SAY, WHEN YOU MADE THAT MOTION AND WE GOT THAT
09:15:06 APPROVED, I WAS ELATED BY IT BECAUSE THE EVERYDAY WORKER
09:15:13 DESERVE ACCOLADES AS WELL AS OUR POLICE AND FIRE
09:15:15 PERSONNEL.
09:15:16 WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE GROUND EVERY
09:15:18 DAY, THEIR KUDOS AS WELL.
09:15:27 IF WE CAN HAVE YOU COME UP.
09:15:33 THIS BEING OUR FIRST INAUGURAL COMMENDATION, I AM GOING
09:15:37 TO LET MR. SIMON CALL UP THE AWARDEE AND SAY A FEW WORDS,
09:15:42 AND THEN AT A FUTURE TIME BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER, ALL
09:15:46 RIGHT?
09:15:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YET.
09:15:47 >> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP JENNIFER CANTOLA.
09:15:55 COME ON DOWN.
09:15:56 COME ON DOWN.
09:15:59 JENNIFER CANTOLA IS THE LEAD PAYROLL TECHNICIAN WITH THE
09:16:02 REVENUE AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT.
09:16:04 JENNIFER COMPORTS HERSELF AS A LEADER IN THE PAYROLL
09:16:07 SECTION OF THE FINANCE AND RECORD DEPARTMENT.
09:16:10 SHE IS EXTREMELY CONSCIENTIOUS IN HER DUTIES AND TAKES
09:16:16 THE BIWEEKLY PAYROLL PROCESS TO EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE
09:16:20 CITY PERSONALLY REGARDLESS OF THE TIME COMMITMENTS IT MAY
09:16:22 REQUIRE.
09:16:24 THE BIGGEST GOING BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY OCCURRED THIS
09:16:27 PAST YEAR WHEN SHE PERFORMED AS THE ACTING SUPERVISOR OF
09:16:31 THE SECTION, FOR MORE THAN A YEAR WITH GREAT SKILL AND
09:16:34 POISE.
09:16:34 SHE WAS POLISHED, CREATIVE, HARD WORKING, CARING,
09:16:39 DETERMINED, AND HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL, AND THE BIWEEKLY,
09:16:43 QUARTERLY AND ANNUAL PAYROLL PROCESSES WENT OFF WITHOUT A
09:16:46 HITCH.
09:16:47 DUE TO HER SKILL AND LEADERSHIP.
09:16:49 JENNIFER IS A GO-GETTER AND HAS BACKS IT UP.
09:16:53 SHE IS A STERLING EXAMPLE OF THE HIGH QUALITY EMPLOYEES
09:16:56 THE ATU FRANCHISE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:17:03 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:17:04 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:17:05 >> I WASN'T PREPARED TO GIVE A SPEECH OR ANYTHING LIKE
09:17:12 THAT.
09:17:13 BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT HAS
09:17:15 SUPPORTED ME AND PUT IN THE NOMINATION FOR THIS.
09:17:19 AGAIN, IT IS A TEAM EFFORT, SO I'M GLAD I HAVE MY
09:17:23 DEPARTMENT HERE.
09:17:25 I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:17:26 >> WELL, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME GENTLEMEN HERE THAT HAVE
09:17:30 SOME GIFTS FOR YOU.
09:17:33 WE WILL STEP OVER HERE.
09:17:34 WE WILL COME OVER HERE.
09:17:35 >> I WOULD LIKE TO START FROM THE ATU LOCAL 1464.
09:17:41 >> JIM CARSON, BILL CURRIE FORD.
09:17:47 IT'S AN HONOR, JENNIFER, TO PRESENT THE FIRST AWARD FOR A
09:17:52 CITY EMPLOYEE.
09:17:53 SO ON BEHALF OF THE CURRIE FAMILY, I WOULD LIKE TO
09:17:55 PRESENT YOU FULL DETAIL AND WASH YOUR CAR, CARPET, AND
09:18:01 ALSO A FREE OIL CHANGE.
09:18:03 >> OH, THANK YOU.
09:18:05 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:18:06 >> DUSTIN FORTELLA WITH CASPERS AND MCDONALD RESTAURANTS.
09:18:16 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:18:17 I THINK YOU SHOULD OPEN UP YOUR OWN CPA AND I WILL BE
09:18:21 YOUR FIRST CLIENT.
09:18:23 QUITE EXTRAORDINARY.
09:18:24 HERE ARE SOME GIFTS FOR YOU.
09:18:26 BUT NO OIL CHANGE.
09:18:28 BUT WE DO HAVE SOME BIG MACS AND SOME OTHER McGOODIES
09:18:33 INSIDE THERE.
09:18:34 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:18:34 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:18:34 >> JOHN WELLS, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A GIFT
09:18:43 FOR TOWING.
09:18:48 >> PETE BRADLEY, BUSCH GARDENS.
09:18:53 WHEN WE DO THE POLICE AND FIRE, I THINK IT'S GREAT WORK
09:18:56 AND I AM VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS BEING EXTENDED TO
09:18:59 ALL CITY EMPLOYEES BECAUSE AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IT
09:19:03 TAKES A VILLAGE OF PEOPLE TO KEEP THE CITY FUNCTIONING
09:19:05 AND RUNNING EFFICIENTLY AND SMOOTHLY.
09:19:07 AND AS A FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE, I HAVE SEEN YOUR NAME AND
09:19:10 SEEN YOUR E-MAILS FOR A BUNCH OF YEARS AND I AM GLAD THAT
09:19:13 I FINALLY GOT TO PUT A FACE WITH IT.
09:19:15 ON BEHALF OF BUSCH GARDENS, FOUR TICKETS TO OUR PARK TO
09:19:18 ENJOY WITH YOUR FAMILY.
09:19:19 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:19:24 >>STEVE MICHELINI: HE'S ONLY HAPPY BECAUSE HE GOT HIS
09:19:29 CHECK.
09:19:29 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:19:32 REALLY, ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FOLKS,
09:19:34 PRESTIGE PORTRAITS, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A
09:19:37 GIFT PACKET SO YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PORTRAITS TAKEN.
09:19:40 ON BEHALF OF THE TAMPA METROPOLITAN YMCA WE ARE GOING TO
09:19:44 PROVIDE YOU WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE TO GO ENJOY YOURSELF
09:19:46 AT THE Y.
09:19:47 AND ON THE CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP, BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR
09:19:51 DINNER, FIFTY DOLLARS.
09:19:55 YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, LUNCH OR DINNER.
09:19:59 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:19:59 AND AGAIN, THE CITY EMPLOYEES DO A GREAT JOB.
09:20:02 AND WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
09:20:05 THEY ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST DEDICATED GROUPS THAT
09:20:07 WE HAVE AND WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE THEM PERFORMING ALL
09:20:10 OF THE SERVICES THAT KEEP THE CITY MOVING IN THE RIGHT
09:20:13 DIRECTION.
09:20:13 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:20:13 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:20:20 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN?
09:20:22 >> I JUST WANTED TO ADD WHICH I DIDN'T SAY EARLIER, WE
09:20:24 HAVE COME UP WITH A SLOGAN FOR US WHICH IS ATU LOCAL
09:20:31 1464, WE KEEP TAMPA CITY RUNNING, A COLLABORATION OF MANY
09:20:34 DEPARTMENTS WHICH IN ESSENCE DO KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:20:37 RUNNING.
09:20:37 I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE JENNIFER AS THE FIRST ATU
09:20:41 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH AND THANK YOU FOR THE PROGRAM.
09:20:42 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
09:20:44 IT'S OUR PLEASURE.
09:20:45 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:20:47 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:20:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JENNIFER AND STEVE, AND EVERYBODY
09:20:53 THAT'S HERE, THIS IS LONG OVERDUE.
09:20:58 THE RANK AND FILE ATU, ALL THE EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY, YOU
09:21:02 ARE THE UNSUNG HEROES OF THE CITY.
09:21:04 AND WE APPRECIATE YOU, AND YOU ARE NUMBER ONE, AND YOU
09:21:11 WILL NEVER FORGET IT.
09:21:12 WE'LL NEVER FORGET IT.
09:21:14 IT'S A FANTASTIC DAY FOR OUR CITY.
09:21:18 AND ON A LIGHTER NOTE, AS CITY EMPLOYEES, WE ALL
09:21:21 APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GET OUR PAYCHECKS OUT ON
09:21:24 TIME.
09:21:24 BUT SERIOUSLY, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.
09:21:27 THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY SUPPORTING SHARON AND THE REST OF
09:21:31 YOUR TEAM THERE.
09:21:32 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:33 CONGRATULATIONS.
09:21:33 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:21:34 >> THANK YOU.
09:21:38 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
09:21:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THE EMPLOYEES
09:21:46 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE A TEAM.
09:21:48 FIRE COULDN'T WORK WITHOUT WATER DEPARTMENT AND I APPLAUD
09:21:52 SOLID WASTE EVERY TIME THAT THERE IS A PARADE.
09:21:54 THEY GET IT DONE AND TAKEN CARE OF WITHIN FOUR OR FIVE
09:21:57 HOURS OUR STREETS ARE OPEN BACK UP, AND WITHOUT THEM THEY
09:21:59 COULDN'T GET AWAY OUR WASTE.
09:22:01 OUR STORMWATER, EVERY PART OF OUR CITY WORKS TOGETHER AS
09:22:04 A TEAM.
09:22:05 I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THE ATU IS NOW FINALLY RECOGNIZING
09:22:09 THE EMPLOYEES.
09:22:10 CONGRATULATIONS TO BE THE INAUGURAL EMPLOYEE.
09:22:13 THANK YOU.
09:22:14 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
09:22:15 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:22:17 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
09:22:18 AND LIKE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND CITRO SAID, YOU ARE
09:22:22 THE FIRST ONE.
09:22:23 SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR THAT.
09:22:24 AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE FIRST OF MANY AND WE THANK
09:22:28 YOU INFORM ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
09:22:29 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
09:22:30 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:22:32 OKAY.
09:23:05 IF THE NICE LADIES FROM RADIANT KITCHENS COULD PLEASE
09:23:08 COME FORWARD, AND RADIANT HANDS.
09:23:14 IT IS MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE THE LEADERSHIP AND THE
09:23:24 STAFF AND THE HARD WORKERS OF RADIANT KITCHEN.
09:23:27 RADIANT HANDS IS A KITCHEN THAT FOR 14 YEARS HAS HELPED
09:23:30 TO RESETTLE REFUGEES HERE IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA AND
09:23:33 THROUGHOUT FLORIDA, AND UNDER THE ORGANIZATION OF RADIANT
09:23:37 HANDS, RADIANT KITCHEN, SOMETHING THAT STARTED HERE IN
09:23:42 TAMPA, IN THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES," AND IT REALLY TOUCHED ME
09:23:46 A GREAT DEAL.
09:23:46 SO I WANTED TO GIVE A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION TO
09:23:50 THIS WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION WHICH TAKES REFUGEES FROM
09:23:53 SYRIA, RIGHT?
09:23:54 AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
09:23:56 ALL FROM SYRIA.
09:23:58 REFUGEES FROM SYRIA AND PUTS THEM TO WORK NO LOCAL
09:24:03 KITCHEN IN NEW TAMPA.
09:24:04 AND THE DASH AND SALT AND PEPPER, CORRECT?
09:24:08 AND THAT IS RUN BY A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
09:24:11 HE'S A GENTLEMAN WHO RESIDES IN NEW TAMPA, A PALESTINIAN
09:24:15 AMERICAN, A VERY INTERESTING GENTLEMAN WHO IS A VIETNAM
09:24:19 ERA MARINE, HIS BROTHER WAS A VIETNAM VETERAN, AND I
09:24:24 BELIEVE HIS NEPHEW SERVES OVERSEAS BEING DEPLOYED, A FINE
09:24:29 GENTLEMAN, AND GIVES THEM THE KITCHEN TO DO THE WORK THAT
09:24:33 THEY DO.
09:24:33 BUT THE REAL REASON WE WANT TO HONOR THESE WOMEN IS FOR
09:24:38 THEIR EXPERIENCES.
09:24:39 TO BE A REFUGEE IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A GREAT DEAL
09:24:41 OF SUFFERING BUT IT'S REALLY THE STORY OF THIS COUNTRY
09:24:43 WHENEVER YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT REALLY FORMS THIS
09:24:45 COUNTRY, MANY OF US ARE DERIVED FROM REFUGEES AND PEOPLE
09:24:49 WHO HAVE COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD HERE, FLEEING
09:24:52 TERROR, FLEEING OPPRESSION, FLEEING VIOLENCE, AND WE COME
09:24:56 HERE TO THE UNITED STATES, AND WE KNOW THAT THROUGHOUT
09:24:58 THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, PART OF THAT TO ME AND I THINK
09:25:02 ALL OF US IS THAT CORE AMERICAN VALUE OF BEING A
09:25:05 WELCOMING COUNTRY TO THOSE WHO ARE FLEEING VIOLENCE,
09:25:08 THOSE WHO ARE FLEEING TERROR, THOSE WHO ARE FLEEING
09:25:14 OPPRESSION CONTINUE TO DWINDLE AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO
09:25:17 OUR LEADERSHIP.
09:25:18 BASED UPON THAT BASIC IDEA AND MYSELF AS A PROUD SON OF
09:25:21 CUBAN COMPILES AND REFUGEES, MY PARENTS CAME HERE IN 1960
09:25:25 FLEEING CASTRO AND CUBA, AND MY LATE FATHER ACTUALLY CAME
09:25:30 HERE TO TAMPA IN THE HOUSE THAT HE LIVED IN AS A
09:25:33 16-YEAR-OLD OFF EAST COLUMBUS IS STILL THERE, AND I
09:25:36 ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE THAT THE SAME AMOUNT OF LOVE AND CARE
09:25:40 AND COMPASSION THAT WAS THERE FOR MY FAMILY IN 1960, I
09:25:43 WANT TO BE THERE FOR THESE WOMEN.
09:25:45 AND THIS ORGANIZATION HELPS MAKE THAT HAPPEN, AND THAT IS
09:25:49 WHY WE ARE SO PROUD TO HONOR THESE WOMEN HERE TODAY.
09:25:52 SO I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
09:25:55 COMMENDATION TO OUR DEAR FRIENDS, RADIANT KITCHEN, WHICH
09:25:58 IS A PROJECT OF RADIANT HANDS.
09:26:00 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:26:05 >> I WANT TO SAY FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:26:08 THIS IS A GREAT HONOR FOR US ALL.
09:26:13 WE ARE BEYOND HUMBLED BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN HONORED, YOU
09:26:18 KNOW, THIS MUCH.
09:26:20 THOSE LADIES, THEY CAME TOGETHER IN THIS COUNTRY, HAVING
09:26:25 A LOT OF MINIMAL LANGUAGE, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT
09:26:31 THEIR FAMILY, BY GOING OUT INTO THE BUSINESS WORLD AND
09:26:33 WORKING, AND THEY TRY TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE FOR THE
09:26:39 COMMUNITY.
09:26:40 WHAT WE DID IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THAT.
09:26:43 WHAT WE DID, WE BELIEVED IN THEM, AND BELIEVING IS ONE OF
09:26:46 THE KEY WORDS, FOR BRINGING PEOPLE INTO A BETTER
09:26:50 POSITION.
09:26:50 AND THIS MEANS A LOT TO THEM.
09:26:54 THEY ARE SO EXCITED THIS MORNING.
09:26:55 THEY WERE SAYING TO ME THAT THIS TYPE OF THING BRINGS US
09:27:00 BACK TO LIFE.
09:27:00 WE FEEL THAT THIS IS THE COUNTRY WE BELONG TO.
09:27:04 WE WANT TO CONTINUE, WE WANT TO BE PART OF, AND REALLY WE
09:27:08 APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING.
09:27:09 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:27:11 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:27:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:27:17 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO THANK YOU INFORM WHAT YOU ARE
09:27:18 DOING TO HELP IMMIGRANTS FEEL WELCOMED.
09:27:21 EVERYBODY HAS AN IMMIGRANT STORY IN THE UNITED STATES.
09:27:23 MY FAMILY CAME HERE IN THE 1880s FROM SWEDEN AND THEY
09:27:28 WERE WELCOMED AND I AM VERY THANKFUL YOU ARE HELPING TO
09:27:31 WELCOME THE NEXT GENERATION.
09:27:33 IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING TO BE HOSPITABLE AND WELCOME THEM,
09:27:36 PLEASE LET US KNOW AS WELL.
09:27:37 THANK YOU.
09:27:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY GRANDPARENTS ESCAPED GERMANY BEFORE
09:27:48 WORLD WAR II.
09:27:49 IF THEY HADN'T, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY BAD.
09:27:52 PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY TODAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I SO
09:27:56 APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS, AND LADIES, THE GOOD WORK THAT
09:27:59 YOU DO, AND I HOPE IT SENDS A VERY SMALL MESSAGE TO
09:28:02 WASHINGTON, THAT THE POLICIES THAT WASHINGTON AND THE
09:28:06 WHITE HOUSE PURSUES AGAINST IMMIGRANTS IS JUST DOWNRIGHT
09:28:12 WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS.
09:28:13 AND YOU GUYS ARE NOW YOU ARE AMERICANS AND YOU ARE
09:28:17 OBVIOUSLY PROUD TO BE AMERICANS, AND WE ARE ALL THAT WAY.
09:28:21 WE ALL CAME FROM SOMEWHERE AT SOME POINT.
09:28:23 AND HERE WE ARE AS A GREAT MELTING POT, AND WE ARE SO
09:28:28 GLAD TO HAVE YOU AND THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU DO.
09:28:30 THANK YOU.
09:28:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:28:36 I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE GREAT THINGS THAT
09:28:38 YOU HAVE DONE.
09:28:39 AND I AM SURE THAT IF YOU NEED ANY HELP, I WILL BE THERE
09:28:42 FOR YOU.
09:28:42 ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS CALL MY OFFICE.
09:28:44 LADIES, THANK YOU.
09:28:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT DAY WHEN PEOPLE
09:28:54 ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THE WORK THEY DO.
09:28:56 AND YOU ARE DOING THE WORK.
09:29:00 I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL EVENTS AT THE DIFFERENT MOSQUES,
09:29:05 AND MY FUNERAL HOME HAS BEEN A PART OF THE FAMILY.
09:29:11 I WILL SAY, KEEP UP THE WORK.
09:29:13 IT'S ALWAYS A FIGHT BUT WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP FIGHTING
09:29:18 EVERY DAY.
09:29:18 I UNDERSTAND THOSE STRUGGLES.
09:29:20 WE FIGHT ON, WE FIGHT ON.
09:29:23 GOD BLESS YOU.
09:29:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK, I'M A PROUD SON OF
09:29:28 IMMIGRANTS AND FIRST GENERATION AMERICAN.
09:29:30 LIKE COUNCILMAN VIERA, MY MOTHER AND MY GRANDPARENTS
09:29:33 ESCAPED CUBA AND CAME HERE.
09:29:37 MY FATHER MOVED HERE FROM SICILY IN '81, MET MY MOTHER.
09:29:45 BUT THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COMMUNITY IS BUILT ON THE WORK
09:29:49 OF IMMIGRANTS.
09:29:50 I REMEMBER WALKING DOWN FRANKLIN STREET A COUPLE OF YEARS
09:29:53 AGO AND A REPORTER ASKED ME ABOUT THE CLIMATE IN TAMPA,
09:29:55 THE RACIAL CLIMATE IN TAMPA.
09:29:57 I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A CITY THAT'S BUILT ON DIVERSITY
09:30:00 AND INCLUSION.
09:30:01 GOING BACK TO THE 1800S, WITH OUR FOUNDING WE HAD AFRICAN
09:30:06 AMERICAN MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, WE HAD YBOR CITY AND
09:30:09 BEYOND, SICILIAN, ITALIAN, STRONG JEWISH COMMUNITY,
09:30:15 STRONG COMMUNITY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T BRING UP,
09:30:19 STRONG MUSLIM COMMUNITY.
09:30:20 BUT THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE CITY.
09:30:23 THERE'S NO PLACE IN THE WORLD LIKE TAMPA.
09:30:25 THERE'S NO PLACE IN THE WORLD LAKE YBOR CITY.
09:30:28 AND WE CAN LOOK AT OUR HISTORY OF HOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE
09:30:31 TODAY BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK AND THE SACRIFICE OF SO
09:30:34 MANY PEOPLE THAT LEFT EVERYTHING BEHIND FOR POLITICAL
09:30:37 REASONS OR WHATEVER IT WAS TO COME HERE AND START A NEW
09:30:40 LIFE.
09:30:40 AND I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT I'M A NATIVE SON OF THIS CITY,
09:30:45 BUT THIS CITY HAS BEEN SO GOOD TO MY FAMILY, JUST LIKE
09:30:49 YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF THE NEW GENERATION COMING IN AND
09:30:51 MAKING SURE THAT THEY FEEL WELCOME AND THEY ARE INCLUDED.
09:30:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:56 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:30:58 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE YOU ALL GO, I HAVE SOME SMALL TOKENS
09:31:04 OF HOW HONORED WE ARE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
09:31:06 >> OH, WOW.
09:31:07 >> A LITTLE AMERICAN FLAG.
09:31:15 THIS IS WHAT THE UNITED STATES IS ALL ABOUT.
09:31:16 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:31:46 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:31:51 >> THIS IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
09:31:57 THIS IS ONE OF THE DESSERTS THAT THE LADIES PREPARE.
09:32:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:32:05 THANK YOU.
09:32:05 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:32:07 THANK YOU.
09:32:07 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:32:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM
09:32:44 NUMBER 4.
09:32:45 WITH US TODAY IS BETH ALDEN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
09:32:48 HILLSBOROUGH MPO.
09:32:49 SHE'S GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE 2045 LONG-RANGE
09:32:53 TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
09:32:56 MS. ALDEN, TAKE IT AWAY.
09:33:01 THEY HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
09:33:02 >> BETH ALDEN: GOOD MORNING.
09:33:12 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
09:33:13 I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW THOSE GRACIOUS LADIES.
09:33:19 BUT I'M BETH ALDEN.
09:33:21 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE THIS MORNING.
09:33:23 I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING
09:33:26 ORGANIZATION FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING, BIG PICTURE,
09:33:32 PLANNING, CONNECTING CITY OF TAMPA AND UNINCORPORATED
09:33:38 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE TO THE
09:33:40 REST OF THE REGION, MULTIPLE AGENCIES WITH THE GOAL OF
09:33:43 WORKING TOGETHER SO THAT WE ARE ALL PULLING IN THE SAME
09:33:46 DIRECTION.
09:33:46 AND SO I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE.
09:33:52 CITY OF TAMPA IS VERY ABLY REPRESENTED ON THE MPO BOARD
09:33:56 BY COUNCILMAN VIERA, MANISCALCO AND CITRO.
09:34:00 AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU BRING
09:34:03 TO THE MPO BOARD.
09:34:07 THIS SARASOTA SIGNIFICANT TIME FOR US AT THE MPO, AND WE
09:34:12 ARE ON THE CUSP OF FINALIZING THE LONG-RANGE
09:34:18 TRANSPORTATION PLAN WHICH IS UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
09:34:22 THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO BE TALKING TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT
09:34:24 THIS MORNING.
09:34:25 SO WHY DO WE DO THIS LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN?
09:34:28 IT IS OUR COMMUNITY'S STORY ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND
09:34:30 WHAT WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON TOGETHER AND WHY.
09:34:33 IT IS BUILT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OF ALL FOUR LOCAL
09:34:37 GOVERNMENTS.
09:34:38 THE PRIORITIES THAT YOU HAVE SET AND YOUR NEIGHBORING
09:34:42 JURISDICTIONS HAVE SET AND THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO
09:34:44 GO.
09:34:45 IT IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, DIRECTING FEDERAL AND
09:34:47 STATE DOLLARS TOWARDS THE INVESTMENTS THAT TOGETHER WE
09:34:51 VALUE.
09:34:52 IT IS REQUIRED TO LOOK AT IT AT LEAST EVERY 20 YEARS.
09:34:55 AND ADOPTING IT AND UPDATING IT IN NOVEMBER.
09:35:00 SO WE ARE TOWARDS THE END OF OUR TWO-YEAR PROCESS OF
09:35:04 UPDATING THE PLAN.
09:35:05 THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF PHASES OF THIS INCLUDING TWO
09:35:08 PHASES OF PUBLIC OUTREACH.
09:35:14 ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS PLAN IS THAT THERE CAN STILL
09:35:17 BE A NUMBER OF UNKNOWNS.
09:35:20 AT THE TIME THAT WE MUST ADOPT THIS.
09:35:22 OUR ADOPTION DATE IS NOVEMBER 5th.
09:35:27 THERE WILL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
09:35:28 SO THE PLAN SETS BROAD DIRECTION AND PROVIDES FLEXIBILITY
09:35:31 FOR FUTURE DECISIONS.
09:35:33 THESE ARE VERY EXCITING FUTURE DECISIONS.
09:35:35 SO WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE
09:35:38 THESE THINGS IN THE PLAN, BUT ONE OF THOSE POINTS IS THE
09:35:44 TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE AFFORDED WITH THE
09:35:47 1% SURTAX FOR TRANSPORTATION WHICH OUR VOTERS APPROVED
09:35:51 LAST NOVEMBER.
09:35:52 SO THIS IS COMING ON YEARS AND YEARS OF WORKING TOGETHER
09:35:56 AND LOOKING AT THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND NOW THERE
09:35:59 IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW IN OUR LONG-RANGE PLAN HOW
09:36:04 THOSE NEEDS CAN BE ADDRESSED.
09:36:07 BUT THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE A LOT OF UNANSWERED
09:36:10 QUESTIONS IN NOVEMBER ABOUT EXACTLY WHICH ROAD PROJECT,
09:36:13 EXACTLY WHICH RAPID TRANSIT PROJECTS, AND SO WE ARE
09:36:17 BUILDING THE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS AND LEAVING FLEXIBILITY.
09:36:22 THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION CONTINUES
09:36:24 TO LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN INTERCHANGE, THE EXPRESSWAY
09:36:26 AUTHORITY HAS SEVERAL MAJOR STUDIES ONGOING AND WE ARE
09:36:30 GOING TO BE LOOKING OVER THE NEXT YEAR AT THE FEASIBILITY
09:36:34 OF THE I-275 PROJECT.
09:36:39 SO A LOT OF THINGS ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR.
09:36:41 BUT WE CAN, I THINK, GET A CLEAR IDEA OF THE OVERALL
09:36:48 DIRECTION THAT THIS COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO GO IN.
09:36:52 WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES NOW THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR
09:36:55 TRANSPORTATION.
09:36:58 SO FLORIDA DOT IS THE BIGGEST PARTNER IN ADDRESSING THE
09:37:04 COMMUNITY'S NEEDS, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND HART WOULD BE
09:37:09 ABLE TO TAKE SIGNIFICANT STEPS.
09:37:11 THE MPO SETS PRIORITIES FOR SOME FEDERAL GRANTS THAT
09:37:15 AMOUNT TO A FAIRLY SMALL SHARE OF THE FUNDING THAT'S
09:37:18 AVAILABLE FOR TRANSPORTATION.
09:37:21 SO THE BIGGER ROLE FOR THE MPO IS DEVELOPING THAT SHARED
09:37:24 VISION ACROSS JURISDICTIONS, PRIORITIZING PROJECTS FOR
09:37:28 ALL PARTNERS, FUNDING, AND BEING A FORM TORE SHARED
09:37:34 STRATEGIES AND COLLABORATIVE STRATEGIES.
09:37:37 SO THE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MEET HILLSBOROUGH'S NEEDS IS
09:37:42 VERY DIFFERENT WITH AND WITHOUT THE SURTAX.
09:37:45 SO WITHOUT THAT 1% SURTAX, 55 PERCENT OF THE AVAILABLE
09:37:52 FUNDS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO TO FLORIDA DOT STRATEGIC
09:37:55 INTERMODAL SYSTEM.
09:37:59 THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
09:38:01 WITH THIS SURTAX, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE
09:38:05 FUNDING FOR TRANSIT SYSTEMS, FOR BUS AND RAIL.
09:38:11 WE WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FUNDING FOR SAFE AND
09:38:14 RELIABLE ROADWAY SYSTEMS ON OUR CITY AND COUNTY ROADS.
09:38:20 AS PART OF THE PLAN UPDATE, WE HAVE ASKED THE PUBLIC
09:38:26 TWICE IN MAJOR PUBLIC OPINION SURVEYS ABOUT THEIR
09:38:29 PRIORITIES.
09:38:30 PHASE 1, WE DID AS A TRI-COUNTY EFFORT WITH 10,000
09:38:34 RESPONDENTS AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE HEARD WERE THAT
09:38:36 PEOPLE WOULD LIKE ALTERNATIVES TO DRIVING, MINIMIZING
09:38:40 OUTWARD GROWTH AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, STRENGTHENING
09:38:43 DOWNTOWN, CREATING MORE -- USING TECHNOLOGIES TO REDUCE
09:38:50 CONGESTION.
09:38:52 WE FOLLOWED PHASE 1 WITH AN OUTREACH SURVEY LAST SUMMER
09:38:57 FOCUSING ON JUST HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SPECIFICALLY, HAD
09:39:01 MORE THAN 5,000 PARTICIPANTS, GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM
09:39:04 ACROSS THE COUNTY, NEARLY 90% OF THE RESPONDENTS WERE
09:39:08 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY RESIDENTS, 390% WERE WORKERS IN
09:39:12 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:39:14 AND WE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
09:39:20 THERE WERE 15 DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE ASKED PEOPLE TO
09:39:22 VOTE YES OR NO.
09:39:26 SO IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THE PROJECT THAT HAD THE MOST
09:39:30 WIDE SUPPORT WERE RAPID TRANSIT PROJECTS.
09:39:33 SO UP AT THE TOP OF THIS LIST YOU SEE REUSE FREIGHT RAIL
09:39:38 TRACKS, RAPID TRANSIT, A NEW CORRIDOR FROM DOWNTOWN TO
09:39:42 THE AIRPORT, EXTEND THE DOWNTOWN STREETCAR, CREATE MORE
09:39:45 GREENWAY AND TRAIL CORRIDORS, RIGHT SIZE TAMPA MULTI-LANE
09:39:50 ROADS.
09:39:51 TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE ROADS THAT HAVE
09:39:54 PERHAPS MORE LANES THAN THEY NEED TO WHICH COULD BE
09:39:57 REALLOCATED FOR WALKING, BIKING OR RAPID TRANSIT.
09:40:01 WE ALSO ASKED ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN INTERCHANGE WHICH THERE
09:40:05 HAS BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAST FEW
09:40:07 YEARS.
09:40:07 WE ASKED ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR THE DOWNTOWN
09:40:10 INTERCHANGE FROM NO BUILD TO FULL REBUILD WITH EXPRESS
09:40:17 LANES.
09:40:17 OF THE FOUR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, THE ONE THAT WAS THE
09:40:20 LEAST FAVORED AND THIS IS COUNTYWIDE IS A NO BUILD
09:40:24 SCENARIO INCLUDING RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA DID NOT
09:40:26 FAVOR, ON THE OTHER HAND OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THE
09:40:31 FULL REBUILD WITH EXPRESS LANES THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED
09:40:34 MORE THAN 200 PARCELS, THIS IS A DIVISIVE PROJECT.
09:40:41 EITHER YOU LOVE IT OR HATE IT.
09:40:42 THERE'S A LOT OF ONE STAR RATINGS AND A LOT OF FIVE STAR
09:40:45 RATINGS.
09:40:46 THE CONCEPT THAT WAS WIDELY SUPPORTED INCLUDING SUPPORT,
09:40:50 CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENTS, WAS CALLED THE FIXED CONCEPT AND
09:40:56 THAT HAS ACTUALLY NOW BEEN PROPOSED BY FLORIDA DEPARTMENT
09:40:58 OF TRANSPORTATION AS THEIR RECOMMENDED APPROACH TO MOVE
09:41:03 FORWARD WITH THE DOWNTOWN INTERCHANGE.
09:41:06 SO THE PORTION OF FUNDS THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS MAJOR
09:41:18 PROJECTS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN INTERCHANGE AND OTHER PROJECTS
09:41:21 ON THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM ENDS UP BEING WHERE 33%
09:41:27 OF THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.
09:41:28 THE REST OF THE FUNDS ARE SPLIT AMONG SOME OF THE OTHER
09:41:31 PRIORITIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONTINUED TO SPEAK ABOUT,
09:41:35 INCLUDING REZONINGS.
09:41:39 VISION OF ZERO TRAFFIC DEATHS.
09:41:41 SO SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, SMART CITIES AND TECHNOLOGY, AND
09:41:46 CHOICE OF NOT DRIVING INCLUDING AN EXPANSION OF THE BUS
09:41:48 SYSTEM AND TRAIL SYSTEM.
09:41:52 THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS CATEGORY, EVERYTHING FROM
09:41:54 PAVEMENT AND BRIDGE TO COMPLETE STREETS, SMART TRAFFIC
09:41:59 SIGNALS AND ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, BUGS
09:42:02 SERVICES AND TRAILS, AND IN RAPID TRANSIT AND DEDICATED
09:42:07 RIGHT-OF-WAY, INTERCHANGES AND ADDITIONAL THREE LANES ON
09:42:10 MAJOR ROADWAYS.
09:42:11 I AM GOING TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT LAST CATEGORY.
09:42:18 SO RAPID TRANSIT OPERATING IN ITS OWN RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09:42:21 WHAT ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE?
09:42:25 SO THE SURVEY WAS TO SUPPORT THE RAIL TRACKS, DOWNTOWN TO
09:42:33 AIRPORT RAPID TRANSIT, EXTENDING DOWNTOWN STREETCAR,
09:42:36 WATER TRANSIT.
09:42:37 WE TESTED ALL OF THESE FOR RIDERSHIP.
09:42:39 AND THE LINE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS MAP IS THE ONE WITH THE
09:42:43 GREATEST RIDERSHIP SO THAT WOULD BE THAT CENTRAL
09:42:46 CORRIDOR, AND CONNECTING DOWNTOWN TAMPA WITH THE USF AREA
09:42:50 AND THE WESTSHORE DISTRICTS, TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
09:42:54 GOING THROUGH SOME OF TAMPA'S NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAKING
09:42:58 THOSE CONNECTIONS CONNECTING PEOPLE TO JOBS.
09:43:04 ON THE STRATEGIC INTERMODAL SYSTEM, AGAIN THAT'S THE
09:43:07 FLORIDA DOT SYSTEM, MAINLY INTERSTATE HIGHWAYS.
09:43:12 THE CONCEPT IS FOR NEW EXPRESS LANES FOCUSING ON I-4,
09:43:16 I-75 AND I-275 WEST OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND ACROSS THE
09:43:22 HOWARD FRANKLAND BRIDGE.
09:43:24 SELMON EXPRESSWAY WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL LANES BOTH IN
09:43:28 SOUTH TAMPA AND GOING EASTWARD TOWARDS BRANDON.
09:43:33 THERE WILL BE A NEW OVERPASS ON U.S. 41 NEAR CAUSEWAY
09:43:36 BOULEVARD, THE ENTRANCE TO PORT TAMPA BAY, A LOT OF
09:43:40 CONGESTION THERE.
09:43:41 DOWNTOWN INTERCHANGE, THAT IS THAT QUICK FIX PROJECT THAT
09:43:47 DOT NOW RECOMMENDED AS THEIR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE AND
09:43:50 I-275 NORTH OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA ADDING TWO GENERAL PURPOSE
09:43:54 LANES WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY.
09:43:57 FINALLY, SOME OF OUR COUNTY AND CITY MAJOR ROADS.
09:44:05 BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE DECISIONS YET.
09:44:10 FOR EXAMPLE, FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION ABOUT SPECIFIC
09:44:12 PROJECTS TO BE FUNDED WITH A SALES TAX.
09:44:14 WE HAVE DONE A CONGESTION ANALYSIS.
09:44:17 WE HAVE DONE A JOB SUPPORT ANALYSIS AND IDENTIFIED
09:44:20 PROJECTS FOR CONSIDERATION.
09:44:23 THERE ARE ALSO SOME PROJECTS THAT COULD BE MOVED FORWARD
09:44:26 ON U.S. HIGHWAYS WITH FLORIDA DOT FUNDS SUCH AS PORTIONS
09:44:31 OF U.S. 301, 41 AND U.S. 92.
09:44:39 WE ARE VERY EXCITED THAT THIS WILL BRING US TO BETTER
09:44:43 PERFORMANCE ACROSS OUR SYSTEM.
09:44:47 SO INVESTING IN THAT STATE OF GOOD REPAIR, WE WILL BE
09:44:52 ABLE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR ROADS SO THEY ARE SURFACED ON
09:44:57 TIME WITH A VISION ZERO PROGRAM, INVESTING IN TRAFFIC
09:45:01 SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
09:45:02 WE THINK IT WILL BRING OUR CRASH RATES DOWN 35% WITH
09:45:06 ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS.
09:45:09 WE CAN IMPROVE TRAVEL TIME, RELIABILITY, 30% OVER WHAT IT
09:45:12 WOULD OTHERWISE BE WITH OUR CONGESTION GROWTH, AND WITH
09:45:16 EXPANDING THE BUS AND TRAIL SYSTEM WE CAN NOW BE ABLE TO
09:45:19 PROVIDE THAT BUS SERVICE ON APPROXIMATELY 800 MILES OF
09:45:23 ROAD WITH FREQUENT SERVICE.
09:45:28 AFTER THE PLAN IS ADOPTED, OF COURSE, THERE ARE SO MANY
09:45:33 DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY OUR PARTNERS, INCLUDING YOU.
09:45:38 AND WE WILL BE CONTINUING TO MONITOR HOW WE ARE DOING IN
09:45:41 TERMS OF OUR SYSTEM PERFORMANCE, AND HOW CAN WE SUPPORT
09:45:45 YOU ALL WITH ADDRESSING QUESTIONS, CHALLENGES THAT OUR
09:45:50 COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO HAVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH
09:45:53 TRANSPORTATION INVESTMENTS.
09:45:55 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
09:45:56 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:45:58 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:46:02 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:46:03 AND PLEASE NO CLAPPING.
09:46:04 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:46:11 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU MENTIONED THE BOULEVARD CONCEPT IN
09:46:12 THE BEGINNING.
09:46:13 IS IT STILL UNDER SERIOUS INVESTIGATION?
09:46:16 WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT?
09:46:18 >> BETH ALDEN: THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD
09:46:21 RESIDENTS ALONG I-275 NORTH OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA HAD ASKED
09:46:26 THE MPO TO LOOK AT.
09:46:28 AND SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS IT'S KIND OF A
09:46:32 FEASIBILITY STUDY.
09:46:33 WE ARE GOING TO START OUT BY ASKING THEM, ASKING MANY
09:46:38 OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AROUND THE REGION, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES
09:46:41 THAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK INTO?
09:46:43 AND WE HAVE ALREADY HEARD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
09:46:47 WHERE WILL THE TRAFFIC GO?
09:46:49 WHAT IS THE VISION FOR RAPID TRANSIT IN THIS CORRIDOR?
09:46:51 HOW WOULD IMAGINE EVACUATION BE HANDLED?
09:46:54 IF WE DIDN'T SEE THIS KIND OF TRANSFORMATION, WHAT DOES
09:46:57 IT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW WOULD THAT
09:47:01 RELATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON BOTH SIDES?
09:47:06 ANOTHER DALE MABRY HIGHWAY, EXAMPLE.
09:47:08 HOW WOULD YOU MAKE SURE IT WASN'T THAT?
09:47:10 SO THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS.
09:47:12 AND THE FIRST THING WE WOULD BE DOING IS A ROUND-UP OF
09:47:15 ALL OF THE QUESTIONS.
09:47:16 AND THEN COME BACK WITH A PROCESS FOR HOW DO WE GET
09:47:20 ANSWERS?
09:47:23 >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE JOSH FRANK COMING IN JANUARY TO
09:47:25 PRESENT TO US.
09:47:26 WILL YOU HAVE AN ANSWER BY THEN?
09:47:28 >> WE WILL JUST BE GETTING STARTED.
09:47:31 >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND QUESTION, AND THIS IS FEEDBACK
09:47:33 I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM THE COMMUNITY, THAT THE
09:47:37 TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP IN PARTICULAR, HAS DISPROPORTIONATE
09:47:42 POWER AND SWAYING DIRECTIONS THAT DOT AND TRANSPORTATION
09:47:47 PLANNING, AND A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL LIKE
09:47:50 THEY HAVEN'T BEEN LISTENED TO, WHERE TAMPA BAY
09:47:54 PARTNERSHIP HAS.
09:47:55 I AM HAPPY TO SEE THIS AND YOU ARE LISTENING TO WHAT THE
09:47:58 COMMUNITY SAYS. CAN YOU GIVE US ANY INSIGHT INTO THE
09:48:01 INPUT OF A GROUP LIKE THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP IS NOW
09:48:04 VERSUS A GROUP OF 5,000 CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE GIVEN
09:48:08 FEEDBACK?
09:48:09 >> THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP IS ONE OF MANY STAKEHOLDER
09:48:11 ORGANIZATIONS, THAT BUT TO PRESENT WHAT WE ARE HEARING
09:48:17 FROM A REALLY LARGE SURVEY.
09:48:21 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:48:22 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:48:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAD A SPECIAL MEETING WITH SECRETARY
09:48:28 GWYNN, PRIVATE MEETING IN REFERENCE TO FLORIBRASKA.
09:48:33 I UNDERSTAND HE MADE A COMMITMENT AT THE MPO IN REFERENCE
09:48:36 TO FLORIBRASKA NOT BEING CLOSED.
09:48:39 IS THAT CORRECT?
09:48:40 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09:48:41 IT'S VERY EXCITING.
09:48:42 THAT WAS JUST ANNOUNCED.
09:48:43 AT OUR MEETING TUESDAY MORNING.
09:48:45 AND SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SHORT VIDEOS THAT ARE ON THE
09:48:49 TAMPA BAY NEXT WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT A LOT MORE
09:48:54 INFORMATION.
09:48:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S WHY I WANTED THE BODY TO KNOW, I
09:48:58 WAS GLAD TO BE PART OF THAT SPECIAL MEETING.
09:49:00 THAT'S BIG NEWS FOR MY COMMUNITY, NOT CLOSING WHAT I CALL
09:49:03 A MAJOR ARTERY FOR REALLY GOODS AND SERVICES, PEOPLE
09:49:09 GETTING TO WHERE THEY GOT TO GO, EVEN THE DOWNTOWN FOLKS
09:49:13 CUT ACROSS TO GET TO OUR INTERSTATE.
09:49:16 I'M VERY PLEASED WITH SECRETARY GWYNN'S GROUP FOR SETTING
09:49:22 UP THE MEETING.
09:49:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:49:23 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:49:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.
09:49:29 MY FIRST QUESTION WAS FLORIBRASKA. AND WE HAVE HEARD
09:49:34 SOME LARGE OUTCRIES FROM THAT COMMUNITY.
09:49:36 SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
09:49:38 ON THAT.
09:49:40 MY SECOND QUESTION, BETH, YOU AND I WORKED TOGETHER A
09:49:45 LONG TIME.
09:49:45 AND YOU ALSO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
09:49:50 AND I THINK RELATES TO DENSITY.
09:49:58 AND I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED RETURNING TO COUNCIL WHEN I
09:50:00 SEE THIS TREND TOWARD THEY TALK ABOUT THE URBAN VILLAGES,
09:50:04 STRICTLY WITHIN THE CITY NOW, THEY TALK ABOUT THE URBAN
09:50:07 VILLAGES AND HOW WE NEED TO INCREASE DENSITY IN THE URBAN
09:50:10 VILLAGES, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, AND SORT OF A PEANUT BUTTER
09:50:14 APPROACH, JUST SPREAD IT ACROSS WHEREVER WE CAN, LET'S
09:50:16 INCREASE DENSITY, AND I AM SEEING THAT A LOT FROM THE
09:50:19 PLANNING COMMISSION, EVEN OUR PLANNING STAFF.
09:50:21 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS CHIME INTO THAT AS WELL.
09:50:24 I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT IS THEY WANT TO INCREASE DENSITY
09:50:27 SO THAT WILL HELP JUSTIFY, YOU KNOW, MASS TRANSIT, AND,
09:50:31 YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A LOT OF THE EXPLANATION.
09:50:34 BUT I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THE CONCEPT OF
09:50:38 TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
09:50:40 I THINK IT'S A REALLY CRUCIAL ONE.
09:50:42 BECAUSE AS WE HEAD TOWARD MASS TRANSIT AT DIFFERENT
09:50:46 LEVELS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S BUS, BRT, OR ACTUAL RAIL,
09:50:51 THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED
09:50:54 DEVELOPMENT.
09:50:55 SO, IN OTHER WORDS, AT THE STATIONS, AT THOSE STOPS, WE
09:50:58 CAN GET SOME SIGNIFICANT DENSITY THAT'S NEEDED.
09:51:01 BUT WHAT MY POINT IS IN BETWEEN THOSE STOPS AND IN THE
09:51:06 ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED THE
09:51:10 PRESSURE OF INCREASED DENSITY, BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUENTS
09:51:13 COMPLAIN TO US REGULARLY ABOUT TRAFFIC ON THOSE SMALL
09:51:17 LITTLE STREETS, AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE
09:51:20 COLUMBUS AVENUES AND THE MacDILLS AND THOSE SORTS OF
09:51:22 THINGS THAT WERE NEVER DESIGNED, YOU TO KNOW, TO BE MAJOR
09:51:26 THOROUGHFARES BUT THEY ARE BECOMING THAT WAY.
09:51:29 SO YOU HAVE GIVEN US GOOD MESSAGES, IF THERE'S A MESSAGE
09:51:33 I WANT TO SEND BACK OVER THERE TO THE 18th FLOOR OVER
09:51:36 THERE, IS LET'S FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE INTENSE
09:51:40 DENSITY AND SMALL AREAS WITH THE TRD CONCEPT AND LESS OF
09:51:44 THE PEANUT BUTTER APPROACH.
09:51:46 >> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
09:51:48 AND I THINK IT REFLECTS WHAT WE HEARD IN OUR SURVEY, TOO,
09:51:53 THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THE ESTABLISHED
09:51:56 NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:51:57 ONE THING THAT WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THAT THERE
09:52:01 MAY BE A DESIRE TO SEE CHANGES ON SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL
09:52:05 STRIP CORRIDORS.
09:52:06 AND MAYBE THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO LOOK AT
09:52:10 CHANGES SUCH AS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
09:52:14 THAT WOULD REALLY TIE INTO A TRANSIT INVESTMENT STRATEGY.
09:52:19 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHERE WE FOCUS OUR BUS
09:52:22 TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
09:52:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:52:28 AS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COUNCILMAN VIERA AND MYSELF,
09:52:32 WHO SIT ON THE MPO BOARD, WE HAVE SEEN THIS PRESENTATION.
09:52:35 I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
09:52:37 I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU INFORM ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO
09:52:40 FOR THE MPO.
09:52:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:52:41 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL SAID LIKE A GENTLEMAN.
09:52:46 THANK YOU, MS. ALDEN.
09:52:48 WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
09:52:50 NEXT WE MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:52:54 SO THAT WE KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC
09:52:56 COMMENT?
09:52:56 RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WOULD.
09:53:00 OKAY.
09:53:01 WE HAVE ABOUT A 10:00 TO GO FORWARD WITH STAFF REPORTS.
09:53:05 SO I AM GOING TO FIRST TAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING ON
09:53:08 SOMETHING -- IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ON
09:53:11 SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA?
09:53:14 OKAY, ANYBODY?
09:53:15 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:53:21 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
09:53:23 YOU BARELY GOT IN THERE.
09:53:25 GO FOR IT.
09:53:26 SO WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE -- I'M SORRY, RAISE YOUR HANDS
09:53:30 IF YOU COULD.
09:53:31 ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX -- 18 MINUTES.
09:53:35 OKAY.
09:53:36 SO WE WILL BE ABOUT TEN MINUTES LATE FOR THE 10:00.
09:53:38 WE WILL GET EVERYBODY IN SO YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES
09:53:41 WHICH MEANS YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE ALL OF THEM.
09:53:43 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:53:44 >> ANY NAME IS JANELL MARSKOT.
09:53:53 YOU SEE THAT BOAT BEHIND YOU ALL.
09:53:55 CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER HERE,
09:53:58 RIGHT?
09:53:58 AND WE HAVE GOT IDENTITY CLASSES GOING ON IN OUR
09:54:00 COMMUNITY AND THIS IS BEING ADDRESSED.
09:54:02 RIGHT NOW THERE'S SO MANY MEN IN THE COUNTY JAIL WHOSE
09:54:06 SIXTH SEEMED IS BEING VIOLATED AND THE CITY OF TAMPA,
09:54:12 HAVE ACCESS TO THE LAW LIBRARY, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE
09:54:15 LEGAL MATERIAL TO HELP OUR LAWYER PREPARE OUR CASE.
09:54:18 SO I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT, WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING TO DO
09:54:20 ABOUT THAT?
09:54:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY BROTHER, GIVE IT TO ME ONE MORE TIME.
09:54:29 YOU SAID THE LAW LIBRARY AT THE JAIL?
09:54:32 >> THEY CANNOT GET IT.
09:54:35 IT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT IT'S DONE LIKE THAT.
09:54:37 ST. PETE GOT THEIR LAW LIBRARY, ACCESS TO THEIR LAW
09:54:41 LIBRARY.
09:54:43 TAMPA IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE YOU CAN'T GET ACCESS TO THE
09:54:45 LAW LIBRARY.
09:54:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL MAKE A
09:54:49 COMMITMENT --
09:54:50 >> AND IT'S PUBLIC BY EVERY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
09:54:53 WHATSOEVER TO GRACE POINT AND VERIFY.
09:55:05 SO NOT ONLY ARE WE NOT BEING MISUSED AND ABUSED, WE ARE
09:55:08 BEING NEGLECTED, OF A VOICE, TO BE HEARD.
09:55:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS.
09:55:14 >> AND I WILL --
09:55:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SIR.
09:55:19 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
09:55:19 COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS SPEAKING.
09:55:21 LET HIM FINISH.
09:55:22 >> MAY I HAVE REBUTTAL?
09:55:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE ASKING FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.
09:55:30 SO I NEED TO TELL YOU HOW TO ACCESS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING
09:55:33 TO GET TO.
09:55:33 AND A LOT OF THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE COUNTY
09:55:36 ISSUES.
09:55:36 >> IT'S IN THE CITY, THOUGH.
09:55:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME.
09:55:40 LISTEN TO ME, OKAY?
09:55:44 YES, IT'S IN THE CITY BUT WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OVER
09:55:46 THE COUNTY JAIL.
09:55:48 WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.
09:55:51 WE ARE THE CITY SO WE ONLY HAVE LIMITED POWER FOR WHAT WE
09:55:54 DO.
09:55:54 BUT I CAN REFER AND ASK QUESTIONS TO GET SOME
09:55:56 INFORMATION.
09:55:57 SO THAT'S WHAT I WILL DO FOR YOU AS FAR AS THE LIBRARY
09:56:00 AND THE JAIL.
09:56:02 I WILL ASK THE SHERIFF ABOUT THAT.
09:56:03 AS FAR AS YOUR ISSUES, THAT'S ALL COUNTY COMMISSION
09:56:06 ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO THEM TO ASK FOR THEM TO
09:56:08 MAKE MOTIONS TO LOOK INTO.
09:56:10 BUM AS FAR AS YOUR ISSUE ABOUT THE JAIL, I WILL
09:56:12 PERSONALLY CALL THE SHERIFF AND ASK HIM WHAT'S GOING ON
09:56:14 THERE AND HE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER.
09:56:16 >> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW --
09:56:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME FINISH.
09:56:19 AND WHEN I FINISH TALKING, YOU CAN GO NEXT DOOR AND GIVE
09:56:22 YOUR NUMBER TO THE AIDE NEXT DOOR AND I WILL PERSONALLY
09:56:25 CALL YOU AND TELL YOU WHAT IS THE RESPONSE FROM THE
09:56:27 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
09:56:29 OKAY?
09:56:29 >> OKAY.
09:56:30 NOW CAN I SPEAK NOW?
09:56:34 I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY IS IT THAT YOU, EVERY TIME I
09:56:37 COME HERE, YOU GUYS, THE COUNCILMEN, ALWAYS PUSH IT OFF
09:56:40 ON THE COUNTY.
09:56:42 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
09:56:44 I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
09:56:47 I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
09:56:51 GET TO STUFF THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE
09:56:53 RIGHT NOW THERE ARE MANY MEN THAT HAVE THEIR CASE
09:56:57 OVERTURNED BECAUSE OF DUE PROCESS TO MATERIAL WHICH IS
09:57:01 THE SIXTH AMENDMENT.
09:57:02 I REST MY CASE.
09:57:04 GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
09:57:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:57:06 NEXT, PLEASE.
09:57:07 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:57:19 ONCE UPON A TIME, THERE WERE THREE SIBLINGS.
09:57:24 >>LUIS VIERA: MA'AM, I'M SORRY, YOUR NAME PLEASE.
09:57:25 >> OKAY.
09:57:26 MY NAME IS URSULA ODHAM AND I AM THE CEO AND WE MAKE OLD
09:57:33 NEW EVERYTHING WE DO, CAPTURE, PRESERVE LEGACY
09:57:36 INFORMATION IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
09:57:38 AND THAT'S WHAT I AM DOING TODAY.
09:57:41 SO AGAIN, ONCE UPON A TIME THEREOF WERE THREE SIBLINGS
09:57:46 WITH THREE SPOUSE, AND FIVE OUT OF THOSE SIX WORKED WITH
09:57:52 GTE, AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE LITTLE
09:57:56 DID WE KNOW THAT ONE PERSON, AND SOMEONE THAT YOU ALL
09:58:03 PROBABLY KNOW, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR EITHER INITIATING OR
09:58:06 LEADING THE EFFORT TO CHANGE GTE AND THE SURROUNDING
09:58:10 COMMUNITY SO THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS COULD BE IN
09:58:15 MANAGEMENT SO WE WERE IN MANAGEMENT.
09:58:17 IS THIS ABOUT ME?
09:58:18 NO.
09:58:19 IT'S ABOUT EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM.
09:58:20 BECAUSE WHEN I FIGURED OUT ALL THE THINGS THAT MR.
09:58:23 HAMMOND DID, THEN THERE'S NOT A PERSON IN THE ROOM -- I
09:58:28 AM NOT SURE HOW TO OPERATE THIS -- THERE'S NOT A PERSON
09:58:31 IN THE ROOM THAT'S NOT AFFECTED BY SOMETHING HE DID,
09:58:33 INCLUDING THE CABLE THAT YOU ARE WATCHING TODAY.
09:58:36 CABLE TELEVISION.
09:58:39 HE AND HIS COMPANY WAS THE ONE THAT MADE IT HAPPEN HERE
09:58:42 IN TAMPA.
09:58:43 WE WERE WONDERING WHY TAMPA GOT CABLE BEFORE EVERYONE
09:58:48 ELSE BECAUSE HIS COMPANY WAS SUCCESSFUL AND HIS COMPETING
09:58:52 COMPANY WAS NOT AND HE GOT THE ENTIRE CONTRACT.
09:58:54 SO WHY AM I HERE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PAST EVEN.
09:58:58 AND I WILL COME BACK TO THIS IF I HAVE TIME BECAUSE
09:59:01 THERE'S SO MANY THINGS ON THERE.
09:59:03 IT'S ABOUT CURRENT TIMES.
09:59:04 THIS IS A YOUNG LADY WHO I HELPED HER UNDERSTAND THAT THE
09:59:07 PERSON THAT SHE WAS STANDING BEFORE IS THE REASON THAT
09:59:09 SHE COULD GO TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE ALLOWED
09:59:15 BLACK PEOPLE TO GO THERE, AND SHE IS MISS BLACK FLORIDA.
09:59:20 SO EVEN CURRENT DAY, THERE IS A RELATIVENESS TO WHAT HE
09:59:23 DID.
09:59:24 IS IT ABOUT -- THIS IS A LEGACY WORLD.
09:59:32 THIS YOUNG MAN WHO HAS JAMES HAMMOND LOOKING DIRECTLY AT
09:59:35 HIM SAYING THAT YOU CAN DO IT TOO.
09:59:39 BASICALLY BECAUSE MR. HAMMOND WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN
09:59:43 AMERICAN TO HAVE AN ELECTRICAL CONTRACTING COMPANY IN THE
09:59:45 STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:59:46 SO HE TOUCHED ALL OF US.
09:59:47 [BELL SOUNDS]
09:59:48 SO WHY AM I HERE?
09:59:50 BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING NAMED FOR HIM THAT
09:59:55 IS EXTRAORDINARY AS THE JIM WALTERS BUILDING.
09:59:59 WHEN I ARRIVED HERE, THAT WAS EVERYTHING.
10:00:01 AND MAYBE IT COULD BE JIM HAMMOND BOULEVARD, OR HAMMOND
10:00:07 BOULEVARD, OR THE HAMMOND AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM.
10:00:11 AND BASED ON WHAT WAS JUST SAID, MAYBE THE HAMMOND
10:00:14 EXPRESSWAY.
10:00:15 SO I AM JUST SUGGESTING TO YOU, PLEASE CONSIDER DOING
10:00:18 SOMETHING.
10:00:20 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:00:24 >>LUIS VIERA: REALLY QUICK.
10:00:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO SAY I KNEW MR. HAMMOND
10:00:29 LATER IN HIS LIFE AND VERY IMPRESSIVE MAN, AND YOU HAVE
10:00:33 ENLIGHTENED ME ON SOME OF THE THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT
10:00:36 HIM.
10:00:37 I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUES THIS EFFORT TO TRY AND HONOR
10:00:40 HIM APPROPRIATELY.
10:00:40 >> THANK YOU.
10:00:43 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:00:43 NEXT, PLEASE.
10:00:44 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:00:49 MY NAME IS PASTOR FRANK WILLIAMS.
10:00:52 LOCATED AT 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET, PARADISE MISSIONARY
10:00:56 BAPTIST CHURCH.
10:00:57 I AM GOING TO READ SOME SCRIPTURE TO YOU ALL.
10:00:59 I HOPE YOU ALL PAY CLOSE ATTENTION COMING FROM THE BOOK
10:01:02 OF ESTHER. I'M GOING TO READ FROM THE SIXTH CHAPTER AS
10:01:06 QUICK AS I CAN.
10:01:06 ON THAT NIGHT COULD NOT THE KING SLEEP, AND HE COMMANDED
10:01:06 TO BRING THE BOOK OF RECORDS OF THE CHRONICLES; AND THEY
10:01:06 WERE READ BEFORE THE KING.
10:01:07 AND IT WAS FOUND WRITTEN, THAT MORDECAI HAD TOLD OF
10:01:07 BIGTHANA AND TERESH, TWO OF THE KING'S CHAMBERLAINS, THE
10:01:07 KEEPERS OF THE DOOR, WHO SOUGHT TO LAY HAND ON THE KING
10:01:07 AHASUERUS.
10:01:07 AND THE KING SAID, WHAT HONOUR AND DIGNITY HATH BEEN DONE
10:01:07 TO MORDECAI FOR THIS? THEN SAID THE KING'S SERVANTS THAT
10:01:07 MINISTERED UNTO HIM, THERE IS NOTHING DONE FOR HIM.
10:01:07 AND THE KING SAID, WHO IS IN THE COURT? NOW HAMAN WAS
10:01:07 COME INTO THE OUTWARD COURT OF THE KING'S HOUSE, TO SPEAK
10:01:07 UNTO THE KING TO HANG MORDECAI ON THE GALLOWS THAT HE HAD
10:01:07 PREPARED FOR HIM.
10:01:07 AND THE KING'S SERVANTS SAID UNTO HIM, BEHOLD, HAMAN
10:01:07 STANDETH IN THE COURT. AND THE KING SAID, LET HIM COME
10:01:07 IN.
10:02:10 AND WHY IS THIS?
10:02:12 I WANT YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND.
10:02:14 HAMAN WAS THE MAN GOING TO BUILD THE GALLOWS FOR
10:02:14 MORDECAI. COME TO FIND OUT, HE WANTED TO KILL ALL THE
10:02:23 JEWS.
10:02:24 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY JEWS IN HERE THIS DAY OR
10:02:26 NOT BUT THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED TO DO.
10:02:29 LIKE THE WHITE FOLKS WANT TO KILL ALL THE BLACK FOLKS.
10:02:32 AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CREATION OF GOD, WE NOT
10:02:36 JUST BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF OUR SKIN, THE AFRICAN
10:02:39 AMERICAN, ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS.
10:02:44 GOD STARTED HIS CREATION IN AFRICA AND SAID WHO CAN
10:02:48 CHANGE THE COLOR OF MAN'S SKIN?
10:02:50 NOBODY.
10:02:50 AND WE THANK GOD WE ARE WHO WE ARE.
10:02:52 AND I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T LIKE FOR ME TO COME DOWN HERE
10:02:55 BECAUSE I WANT TO PREACH THE WORD OF GOD.
10:02:57 AND JUST LIKE THE GUY SAID, WE JUST GOT A FEW MINUTES.
10:03:02 YOU GIVE OTHER PEOPLE ALL DAY LONG.
10:03:04 AND THERE'S ONE THING I WANT TO CUT OUT OF TOWN.
10:03:09 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BUT YOU WERE
10:03:11 TALKING ABOUT THE 32 BILLION DOLLARS.
10:03:15 ARE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THAT MONEY IN THE AFRICAN
10:03:22 AMERICAN?
10:03:23 NO, NOT PUT A PENNY THERE.
10:03:25 AND LET US BUILD SOMETHING ON OUR LAND.
10:03:30 GOD DEDICATED THAT LAND TO THE BLACK FOLKS.
10:03:32 AND HERE WE WANT TO TAKE IT AND PUT WHERE WE WANT, MAKE
10:03:36 SWAMP FOOLS OUT OF THEM.
10:03:38 IT'S RIDICULOUS HOW YOU ALL TREAT BLACK FOLKS.
10:03:40 AND NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SUPER BOWL COMING HERE?
10:03:43 EVERY MAN THAT COMES HERE NEED TO GET ON THEIR KNEES AND
10:03:47 PRAY FOR THIS CITY.
10:03:48 THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST CITIES IN THE WORLD.
10:03:50 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:03:51 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:03:52 NEXT, PLEASE.
10:03:58 >> CONNIE BURTON.
10:04:00 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY AND HOW PROUD PEOPLE ARE,
10:04:04 WE ARE PROUD THAT WE ARE STILL STANDING AND WE HAVE
10:04:07 SURVIVED THIS HOLOCAUST HERE IN AMERICA.
10:04:10 246 YEARS OF SLAVERY.
10:04:14 FOLLOWED BY 99 YEARS OF JIM CROW.
10:04:17 THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE -- THE DECISIONS BEING MADE.
10:04:22 SO WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM TRANSPORTATION
10:04:25 GOALS, IF IT'S NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW THE ECONOMIC IMPACT
10:04:31 OF THAT TRANSPORTATION GOAL IS GOING TO HELP OUR
10:04:34 COMMUNITY.
10:04:34 IT IS MEANINGLESS TO US.
10:04:36 34th STREET SHUT DOWN.
10:04:37 40TH STREET SHUT DOWN.
10:04:39 OUR MAJOR ECONOMIC HUB BACK IN THE DAY HAS BEEN DRAINED
10:04:45 LIKE A DESERT.
10:04:47 AND IT IS COMING BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY?
10:04:50 WE ARE STILL LIVING IN OUR HOLOCAUST MOMENT.
10:04:53 DON'T GET CONFUSED BECAUSE YOU SEE ONE OR TWO OF US.
10:04:56 THE MAJORITY OF US IS ON THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE.
10:04:59 AND SO WHY DO WE COME DOWN HERE IS BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO
10:05:02 KNOW CONSTANTLY THAT THE CRIES AND CONCERNS OF OUR
10:05:08 COMMUNITY, IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE "TAMPA BAY
10:05:10 TIMES" THIS WEEK, IT TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY
10:05:13 HAVING A MAYBE 25,000 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST.
10:05:19 WE GOT THREE AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS CITY THIS IS OVER AND
10:05:22 CONTROLLING HOUSING.
10:05:23 JEROME RYAN, VENESSA McCLEARY AND CHERYL HOUSE.
10:05:29 YOU HAVE TO COME TO THIS COUNCIL.
10:05:31 YOU MIGHT GAIN CONTROL OF THE COUNTY BUT THEY HAVE YET TO
10:05:33 COME TO THIS CITY COUNCIL TO TELL YOU HOW THEY ARE GOING
10:05:36 TO IMPROVE THE CONDITION OF HOMELESS PEOPLE AND PEOPLE
10:05:39 THAT DO NOT MAKE WITHIN THAT AMI THAT CAN AFFORD $200,000
10:05:46 HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:05:48 RIGHT NOW THE FLOOD GATE IN EAST TAMPA IS FOR THE BIG
10:05:53 DEVELOPERS.
10:05:54 EVEN IF WE GET A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE ON A $230,000
10:06:00 HOME BEING BUILT OUT OF CDC, WE WOULD NEED 100,000, SO
10:06:07 PEOPLE AT A WALMART OR FAST FOOD CHAIN THAT GO TO WORK
10:06:12 EVERY DAY REQUEST AFFORD THAT.
10:06:13 OUR PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN SLUMS, AND HOTELS ALL UP AND
10:06:18 DOWNHILLS BORE AND NEBRASKA AVENUE, AND YOU ALL ARE AWARE
10:06:20 OF IT.
10:06:22 YOU TALKED ABOUT IT ON YOUR CAMPAIGN SPEECH.
10:06:24 SO DID THE MAYOR.
10:06:26 WE ARE SEVEN MONTHS INTO YOUR ELECTION.
10:06:29 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:06:30 AND AS A CRISIS OF EMERGENCY NOTHING IS BEING DONE.
10:06:36 I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER 9 THROUGH 11 OF
10:06:40 THAT BUDGET THAT YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE, AND ANY MONEY
10:06:43 THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL RECEIVE IN GRANTS
10:06:46 IS GIVEN BACK TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT.
10:06:52 A MARIJUANA DISPENSARY COMING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND
10:06:55 YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAN BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING
10:06:57 BUT WE ARE WATCHING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.
10:07:00 THANK YOU.
10:07:00 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:07:03 >>LUIS VIERA: REALLY FAST BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO
10:07:05 THE 10:00.
10:07:06 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY.
10:07:07 JUST FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING BASED ON THE INPUT FROM
10:07:09 YOU AND OTHERS, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES GOING ON IN
10:07:12 THE CITY RIGHT NOW AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST IS THAT THE
10:07:14 CITY IS LOOKING FOR A NEW HEAD OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
10:07:17 AND I THINK ALL OF US HAVE BEEN GETTING FEEDBACK TO THE
10:07:20 MAYOR'S OFFICE AND IN PARTICULAR JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF
10:07:23 STAFF, AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT THE PERSON NEEDS TO
10:07:27 FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST REAL ESTATE
10:07:29 DEVELOPMENT, AND THE WHOLE CITY, NOT JUST DOWNTOWN.
10:07:31 IF YOU AND ANY OF YOUR FRIENDS OR COLLEAGUES HAVE
10:07:36 FEEDBACK ON WHAT KIND OF PERSON THE CITY SHOULD HIRE,
10:07:39 PLEASE SEND THAT FEEDBACK TO JOHN BENNETT BECAUSE THAT
10:07:42 PERSON IS GOING TO BE REALLY CRITICAL TO GET ALL OF US.
10:07:46 ALSO SEPARATELY AS A CRA, WE HAVE ASKED TO HAVE AFTER NEW
10:07:49 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AND IF WE GET THAT APPROVED WE ARE
10:07:52 GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR A PERSON THERE ALSO.
10:07:54 AND WE ARE GOING TO CREATE A STREETED PLAN FOR THE CRA
10:07:57 AND NEED INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT PERSON TO HIRE
10:08:00 AND HOW THE STRATEGIC PLAN GOES FORWARD.
10:08:02 HOPEFULLY WHILE THESE ARE IN PLACE IF WE ALL LISTEN IT
10:08:05 WILL TAKE A FEW MORE MONTHS BUT HOPE LIP GET A LOT OF
10:08:08 CHANGES.
10:08:09 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCILMAN.
10:08:10 NEXT, PLEASE.
10:08:11 AND THESE ARE THE LAST THREE FOLKS I SEE FOR PUBLIC
10:08:13 COMMENT.
10:08:14 JUST MAKING SURE.
10:08:17 THEN WE GET TO OUR STAFF REPORTS.
10:08:19 >> METEZMAT.
10:08:22 AND THE WORD WE AS FROM PEOPLE HAVE TO KEEP USING IS
10:08:26 REPARATIONS BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, EVERYTHING YOU
10:08:28 SEE, HAS BEEN A 600 YEAR EXPERIENCE, HOLOCAUST, THE BEST
10:08:33 WORD, MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH AND THEY LIKE TO USE
10:08:36 OVER A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN IT WAS ATROCITIES COMMITTED
10:08:39 AGAINST MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE, BUT THE SAME HOLE OH COST
10:08:43 WAS COMMITTED AGAINST MILLIONS OF AFRICANS.
10:08:48 KING LEOPOLD STARTED THE HOLOCAUST IN A CERTAIN WAY AND
10:08:51 IT CONTINUES RIGHT ON TO THIS DAY, WHERE A MAN IN TEXAS
10:08:55 IS MURDERED IN HIS OWN HOME AND SOMEBODY GET A TEN YEAR
10:08:58 SENTENCE.
10:08:59 AND OUR KIDS GET CAUGHT WITH A NICKEL SACK OF MARIJUANA
10:09:03 AND WE GET A 20, 30, 40, 50 YEAR SENTENCE.
10:09:08 THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT SYSTEM.
10:09:10 SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH IT.
10:09:11 AND THE REALITY IS, A CERTAIN KIND OF HATRED THAT PEOPLE
10:09:16 HAVE FOR BLACK PEOPLE WE SPEAK OUR MIND, AND WE JUST TALK
10:09:20 ABOUT WHAT WE SEE AND HOW WE IT AND IT'S A CERTAIN KIND
10:09:25 OF HATRED BECAUSE I KNOW FROM BEING HERE, FOR DECADES,
10:09:31 WHEN TWO INDIVIDUALS WAS HERE, WAS HAULED OFF TO JAIL,
10:09:36 THREAT OWNED WITH POLICE ON, JUST COMING DOWN SPEAKING
10:09:40 OUR MIND.
10:09:40 FOR JUST SAYING THERE'S TOO MUCH ALCOHOL AND ALCOHOL AND
10:09:44 TOBACCO ADVERTISING INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
10:09:48 THERE'S TOO MANY LIQUOR LICENSES INSIDE THAN COMMUNITY.
10:09:54 AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
10:09:55 NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE AFRICAN.
10:09:57 ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOBODY.
10:10:01 N-O-B-O-D-Y.
10:10:03 AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL THAT GOOD.
10:10:06 BECAUSE NOBODY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND THEY LOOK AT YOU
10:10:09 AND THEY GIVE AWARDS AND HAVE CEREMONIES AND THEY DO ALL
10:10:11 KINDS OF DUMB, STUPID, IGNORANT STUFF, AND IT PROVES
10:10:15 ITSELF.
10:10:16 ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LIVE LONG ENOUGH.
10:10:18 BROTHER MOSES KNOTT USED TO COME DOWN HERE FOR DECADES
10:10:22 AND YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH AND YOU SEE HISTORY REPEAT
10:10:25 ITSELF.
10:10:25 THE SAME PEOPLE OF THAT LOOK AND SMILE WITH YOU AND SAY,
10:10:28 HEY, THERE'S A TRANSITION GOING ON IN SOCIETY, AND IT'S
10:10:31 BEING MORE PROGRESSIVE, IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SITTING
10:10:34 HERE, YOU GOT TOO MUCH LIQUOR IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:10:37 NOW YOU WANT TO PUT MARIJUANA IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:10:40 AND WE ARE AFFECTING MOST BY IT ADVERSELY.
10:10:46 IT'S ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE GOT THE LIQUOR LICENSE.
10:10:49 I AM NOT SAYING WE WANT TO BENEFIT, AND IT'S ALL WHITE
10:10:54 PEOPLE GOT THE MARIJUANA DISPENSARY LICENSE.
10:10:57 AND IT'S ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE GOT THE CHARGES BEHIND
10:11:00 THEM.
10:11:01 AND NO DECRIMINALIZATION.
10:11:03 NONE.
10:11:03 NONE IN SIGHT.
10:11:04 THEY JUST TRYING TO FIND NEW WAYS TO INCARCERATE MORE
10:11:09 AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:11:10 THAT HAS TO STOP AND THAT HAS TO CHANGE.
10:11:12 AND THE WORD IS REPARATIONS.
10:11:14 WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE SHOULD BE LEARNING THAT WORD AND
10:11:17 KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
10:11:19 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:11:22 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:11:22 WE APPRECIATE IT.
10:11:23 NEXT, PLEASE.
10:11:24 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:11:28 MY NAME IS PHYLLIS FLEMING.
10:11:29 I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
10:11:31 AND I REPRESENT THE DAVIS ISLANDS STEWARDSHIP COMMITTEE.
10:11:34 WITH ME TODAY IS DEBBY ZOMERMAN WHO REPRESENTS THE DAVIS
10:11:37 ISLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
10:11:40 OUR COMMUNITY PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2007.
10:11:44 THE CITY IS PLANNING PROGRAM BEGAN IMPLEMENTING COMMUNITY
10:11:47 PLANNING THROUGH FORM-BASED CODES IN FEBRUARY OF 2008.
10:11:52 BETWEEN 2008 AND 2011, WE APPLAUDED THE CREATION AND
10:11:56 SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN AND
10:12:00 FORM-BASED CODE OVERLAY FOR SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
10:12:03 SINCE 2012, DAVIS ISLAND HAS REQUESTED ASSISTANCE IN
10:12:08 CREATING OUR OWN FORM-BASED CODE OVERLAY, AND WE HAVE
10:12:11 BEEN REBUFFED FOR SEVEN YEARS.
10:12:15 I'M IN RECENT RECEIPT OF A MEMO DATED SEPTEMBER 17 FROM
10:12:18 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT DENYING OUR REQUEST AGAIN.
10:12:22 THESE CONTINUOUS DENIALS FOR ASSISTANCE ARE HAVING A
10:12:26 DELETERIOUS EFFECT ON THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
10:12:29 AND OUR COMMUNITY PLANNING EFFORTS ARE BEING STYMIED.
10:12:33 WE ARE HERE THIS MORNING TO THANK YOU FOR RAISING THE
10:12:36 THIS ISSUE WITH STAFF AND TO ASK THAT THE PROCESS FOR THE
10:12:39 DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DAVIS ISLANDS
10:12:43 FORM-BASED CODE OVERLAY BE IMMEDIATELY INTEGRATED INTO
10:12:47 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WORK PROGRAM.
10:12:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
10:12:51 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
10:12:53 NEXT, PLEASE.
10:12:55 WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
10:12:56 TWO SECOND, PLEASE.
10:12:57 REALLY FAST.
10:12:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANTED TO TELL MS. FLEMING AT
10:13:01 THE END OF TODAY'S MEETING I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
10:13:03 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
10:13:07 >>LUIS VIERA: OUR LAST ONE.
10:13:07 GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:13:08 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:13:09 MY NAME IS AL McLAUGHLIN, 1019 EAST 12th AVENUE.
10:13:15 THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE DIRECTED TO MR. LUIS WHO IS IN
10:13:19 CHARGE OF DISTRICT 7.
10:13:20 SINCE 1987 UP UNTIL TODAY'S TIME, 12th AVENUE FROM
10:13:25 NEBRASKA, WHICH WOULD BE AN AVENUE UP TO 13th STREET
10:13:30 HAS NOT BEEN EVEN LOOKED AT.
10:13:33 I HAVE WATCHED THIS HAPPEN.
10:13:34 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM MR. LUIS DO YOU HAVE ANY PLAN
10:13:38 OF RESURFACING 12th AVENUE FROM NEBRASKA ALL THE WAY
10:13:42 DOWN TO THE RETAINING POND WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 13th
10:13:46 STREET?
10:13:49 >>LUIS VIERA: WE USUALLY DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS DURING
10:13:51 PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS HAVE YOU GET IN
10:13:54 TOUCH WITH MY AIDE AND I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET
10:13:56 WITH YOU AND FRANKLY GO TAKE A LOOK AT IT PERSONALLY.
10:13:59 SO MY AIDE RAYMOND IS LOYALLY COMING OUT NOW AND WE CAN
10:14:04 SET UP A MEETING.
10:14:05 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:07 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT WE MOVE FORWARD TO OUR STAFF REPORTS.
10:14:11 AND I HAVE ITEMS 61, 62, 63, 64 AND 65, I BELIEVE, FOR
10:14:18 STAFF REPORTS.
10:14:21 IS ANYONE HERE FOR 61?
10:14:23 >>JERROD SIMPSON: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
10:14:30 I HAVE PREPARED A REPORT ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE
10:14:32 ASKED.
10:14:32 FIRST EXTENDING THE DISABLED PARKING HOURS.
10:14:35 THERE IS NO EXISTING ORDINANCE ON THAT ISSUE.
10:14:40 SO THE COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO PASS AN ORDINANCE IF IT WAS
10:14:44 THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO EXTEND THE HOURS.
10:14:46 AT THE TIME THAT I WROTE MY MEMO, FROM HAD NOT BEEN A
10:14:49 FINANCIAL IMPACT ANALYSIS.
10:14:51 I THINK THAT WAS LATER DONE.
10:14:54 AND THERE IS ANOTHER REPORT PROVIDED TO YOU THAT DOES
10:14:57 INCLUDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
10:15:00 IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT SINCE THERE ARE OTHER
10:15:02 PENDING ITEMS WITH CHAPTER 15 REGARDING PARKING BOATS
10:15:10 THAT ALL AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 15 BE INCLUDED IN ONE
10:15:16 EFFORT.
10:15:16 THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE WAS WHAT PENALTIES WERE
10:15:19 FOR FRAUDULENTLY OBTAINING A DISABLED PERMIT AND I
10:15:23 INCLUDE THAT IN THE REPORT AND I'M AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE
10:15:25 ANY QUESTIONS.
10:15:26 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:15:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM NOT SURE HOW YOU
10:15:30 WANT TO HANDLE IT, AS LONG AS STAFF IS HERE, I WOULD LIKE
10:15:34 TO MAKE A MOTION JUST TO DIRECT STAFF TO EXTEND THE HOURS
10:15:37 FOR THE DISABLED, UNDER THE STATE STATUTE WE ARE CLEARLY
10:15:45 ALLOWED TO EXTEND THEM, THE PARKING AT THE METERS.
10:15:53 THAT'S YOUR OPINION, CORRECT?
10:15:55 >>JERROD SIMPSON: YES.
10:15:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DID NOT SEE THE FISCAL IMPACT
10:15:59 STATEMENT, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S OVERWHELMING.
10:16:02 >>JERROD SIMPSON: I DO HAVE A COPY OF IT IF YOU WOULD
10:16:07 LIKE TO SEE IT.
10:16:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT IT SAYS
10:16:10 BRIEFLY?
10:16:11 >>JERROD SIMPSON: THIS IS THE TABLE AND THE SUMMARY AT
10:16:15 THE BOTTOM.
10:16:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SEE THREE-HOUR PARKING.
10:16:22 $15 THEE FOR.
10:16:26 AND HOW DO WE KNOW IN A?
10:16:27 >>OCEA WYNN: SO WE KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL TRANSACTIONS FOR
10:16:42 THE FISCAL YEAR, 19.
10:16:53 THESE ARE ACTUAL.
10:16:54 THEY ARE ABOUT 18% OF THE TOTAL TRANSACTION.
10:16:59 SO WE KNOW THAT TAKING THAT ON ACTUAL DATA, HISTORIC
10:17:04 ACTUAL DATA.
10:17:05 NOW, THE HOURS, ONE ADDITIONAL HOUR, AND THE LOSS OF FOUR
10:17:10 ADDITIONAL HOURS, THOSE ARE THE PUREST NUMBERS BASED ON
10:17:15 THE FACT THAT WE DO IN FACT KNOW THAT AFTER FOUR HOURS,
10:17:24 THEY MOVE THEIR CARS, TO ANOTHER LOCATION TO GET THE
10:17:27 ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS OF PARKING.
10:17:31 THREE HOURS OF PARKING.
10:17:32 DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?
10:17:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SORT OF.
10:17:34 >>OCEA WYNN: WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND?
10:17:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I DON'T WANTED TO BELABOR THIS,
10:17:40 MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I GUESS IF YOU ARE SAYING IF I AM
10:17:43 DISABLED AND I AM THERE FOR FOUR HOURS AND I KNOW THAT I
10:17:46 AM ABOUT TO GET A TICKET, IF I STAY MORE THAN FOUR HOURS,
10:17:50 AND I HAVE GO IT TO GO MOVE MY CAR, SO THEN THEY GO MOVE,
10:17:55 THE CAR TO ANOTHER SPACE, AND THEN THAT STARTS -- SO THAT
10:18:01 IMPACTS THE STADIUM BUDGET.
10:18:04 SO TO ME IT'S A WASH.
10:18:07 IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY STAY IN THE SAME SPACE FOR EIGHT
10:18:12 HOURS AS OPPOSED TO MOVING TO ANOTHER SPACE AND CLICKING
10:18:14 ON DISABLED, OR PUSHING THE BUTTON FOR DISABLED, TO ME
10:18:20 IT'S A FINANCIAL WASH.
10:18:21 >>OCEA WYNN: SO THE WAY THAT IT WORKS NOW IS THAT AS WE
10:18:25 ARE TODAY, IF THEY ARE NO SPACE FOR FOUR HOURS, THE FIRST
10:18:30 FOUR HOURS ARE FREE PARKING BASED ON THE STATE STATUTES.
10:18:33 SO IF THEY STAY THERE FOR AN ADDITIONAL HOUR, THAT'S WHEN
10:18:37 THEY WOULD START CHARGING THEM FOR THE ADDITIONAL HOUR,
10:18:39 BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT MOVED THEIR VEHICLES FOR THAT HOUR.
10:18:47 SO IF WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO SAY THAT THEY ARE GOING
10:18:49 TO PARK FOR EIGHT HOURS, THEN THE HOUR REVENUE THAT WE
10:18:58 WILL BE GETTING, WE WILL NOT BE GETTING THAT REVENUE
10:19:01 BECAUSE NOW THE NEW STATUTE, THE NEW ORDINANCE SAYS THAT
10:19:05 THEY CAN PARK FOR FOUR HOURS FOR FREE.
10:19:08 THE ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS FOR FREE.
10:19:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT
10:19:12 ANECDOTALLY YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY GET IN THE CAR AND MOVE
10:19:16 TO ANOTHER FREE SPACE FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS?
10:19:20 >>OCEA WYNN: IF THE SPACE IS AVAILABLE, YES.
10:19:22 BUT OFTENTIMES THE SPACES ARE NOT AVAILABLE.
10:19:25 AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD CHARGE THE ADDITIONAL --
10:19:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WHAT KEEPS THEM FROM STAYING IN
10:19:30 THAT SAME SPACE AND CLICKING OVER AN ADDITIONAL FOUR
10:19:32 HOURS?
10:19:33 >>OCEA WYNN: NOTHING WILL STOP THEM FROM DOING IT.
10:19:36 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE CHARGED --
10:19:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T MEAN THAT.
10:19:40 I JUST MEAN IF THEY ARE IN THAT SPACE, DO WE CHALK THEIR
10:19:46 TIRES?
10:19:46 WRITE DOWN THEIR TAG NUMBER?
10:19:49 >>OCEA WYNN: WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT AFTER THEY DISPLAY
10:19:51 THEIR PLACARDS AND IF THE PLACARDS ARE DISPLAYED, WE HAVE
10:19:55 A WAY OF MONITORING BASED ON OUR ELECTRONIC ENFORCEMENT
10:19:59 TECHNOLOGY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE BEEN THERE THE
10:20:03 FOUR HOURS OR FIVE HOURS.
10:20:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:20:08 WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF THEY ARE THERE FOR FOUR HOURS, AND
10:20:11 THEY WAIT FIVE MINUTES,
10:20:14 AND THEY RECLICK THAT BUTTON FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR
10:20:17 HOURS, IS THAT OKAY?
10:20:20 >>OCEA WYNN: NOT WITHOUT MOVING THEIR VEHICLES, THAT IS
10:20:22 NOT OKAY.
10:20:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING.
10:20:25 HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT?
10:20:28 >>OCEA WYNN: WE HAVE THE ENFORCEMENT TEAM GOING THROUGH.
10:20:32 WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IN DIFFERENT AREAS THROUGHOUT
10:20:34 THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR.
10:20:35 AND ENFORCE THAT BY USING TECHNOLOGY HAND HELD DEVICES
10:20:41 AND THEY CAN GO AND TRACK BASED ON TAG --
10:20:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO THEY DO THAT?
10:20:46 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, THEY DO.
10:20:48 THEY CAN.
10:20:48 YES.
10:20:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHAT'S THE POINT?
10:20:50 I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THIS CITY WANTS TO ENABLE AND
10:20:54 ENCOURAGE ADA FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO PARK FOR FREE.
10:20:59 SO WHY THE FOUR HOURS VERSUS THE EIGHT HOURS?
10:21:02 WE HAD A GENTLEMAN COME IN FRONT OF US IN A WHEELCHAIR
10:21:04 AND HE SAID THAT'S NOT FAIR, OKAY.
10:21:07 MY TENDENCY IS TO AGREE WITH THAT.
10:21:09 SO WHY DO WE NOT WANT TO CHANGE THAT AND GIVE HIM EIGHT
10:21:14 HOURS IF THEY NEED EIGHT HOURS?
10:21:16 >>OCEA WYNN: TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WHY THE FOUR AND
10:21:19 NOT THE EIGHT.
10:21:20 WE DECIDED UPON THE FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE THAT WAS A
10:21:23 STATE STATUTE.
10:21:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
10:21:24 >>OCEA WYNN: THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
10:21:28 TO KNOLL UP WITH THE EIGHT HOURS SOME OF THE USE OF THE
10:21:32 SYSTEM BUT WE DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS THAT MUCH OF
10:21:36 A NEED UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN CAME BEFORE US THAT WE SHOULD
10:21:39 REALLY BE EXTENDING IT TO AN ADDITIONAL HOUR.
10:21:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ARE OKAY WITH IT.
10:21:44 >>OCEA WYNN: I AM OKAY BASED ON THE FACT THAT -- YES,
10:21:50 I'M OKAY WITH IT.
10:21:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
10:21:52 WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST MOVE --
10:21:55 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S DO THAT, IF WE MAY, AT THE END,
10:21:57 COUNCIL.
10:21:59 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:22:03 >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST I AM VERY IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO DO
10:22:06 SOMETHING TO HELP OUR DISABILITY COMMUNITY, BUT THE
10:22:09 FISCAL ISSUE KIND OF ALARMS ME.
10:22:11 SO I WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS AND
10:22:14 WE'LL HAVE TO ANYTHING THIS OUT.
10:22:16 BUT IT LOOKS LIKE FIRST OF ALL, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE
10:22:19 USING ON THE -- LET'S TAKE AUGUST 19.
10:22:27 SO THAT $17,000, THAT YOU KNOW IS COMING SPECIFICALLY
10:22:31 FROM EITHER THE CONTAINS IN THE PARKING METERS THAT
10:22:37 DISABLED SPACES OR COMING FROM THE PARK MOBILE
10:22:40 SPECIFICALLY FOR DISABLED.
10:22:41 SO YOU KNOW VERY ACCURATELY THAT THAT'S THE MONEY COMING
10:22:43 FROM DISABLED SPACES, RIGHT?
10:22:46 >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
10:22:48 >>BILL CARLSON: IT SURPRISES ME THAT IT'S SO HIGH.
10:22:50 DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION IN
10:22:52 TAMPA IS THAT'S DISABLED?
10:22:57 >> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
10:22:59 THANK YOU.
10:23:01 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WOULD SAY 15, 17, 18% DEPENDING ON
10:23:04 THE MONTH.
10:23:04 >>OCEA WYNN: I DON'T KNOW THE DISABLED POPULATION, BUT
10:23:09 THE NUMBER OF TAG LICENSE.
10:23:12 AND WE CONSIDER THAT WE DO HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS
10:23:18 LIKE THAT.
10:23:18 SO WE DO SEE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY OF DISABLED PARKERS
10:23:23 DURING THOSE TIMES SINCE WE ARE INCREASING SPECIAL EVENTS
10:23:27 IN THE DOWNTOWN.
10:23:31 >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST THING IS THE NUMBER.
10:23:32 I WAS THINKING LIKE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER THAT THE NUMBER
10:23:35 WOULD NOT BE VERY BIG.
10:23:36 BUT $300,000 AN HOUR IS A HUGE NUMBER COMPARED TO THE
10:23:40 BUDGET.
10:23:42 I GUESS IN YOUR MOTION YOU WILL MAKE LATER, WE NEED TO
10:23:45 FIGURE OUT FROM THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF WHERE
10:23:48 THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT
10:23:50 LARGER THAN I THOUGHT.
10:23:51 BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PRINCIPLE.
10:23:53 I JUST WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO
10:23:55 COME FROM IF WE DO IT.
10:23:57 >>OCEA WYNN: IF I MAY, THIS IS REVENUE LOST, REVENUE WE
10:24:01 ARE NOT TAKING IN.
10:24:04 >>BILL CARLSON: IT JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO CUT 300,000 FROM
10:24:06 THE BUDGET.
10:24:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THE SAME THING THAT MY
10:24:11 COLLEAGUES JUST SPOKE OF, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF
10:24:14 300,000, BEFORE I VOTE ON ANYTHING, I WANT TO KNOW HOW WE
10:24:17 ARE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE PARKING DEPARTMENT WITH THAT
10:24:21 FIGURE OR IF IT'S FOUR HOURS, A MILLION TWO, OR EIGHT
10:24:24 HOURS, A MILLION TWO POINT $4 MILLION A YEAR.
10:24:29 BEFORE I DO ANYTHING I WANT TO KNOW THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.
10:24:32 BECAUSE THAT DEPARTMENT WAS IN THE RED FOR MANY, MANY
10:24:35 YEARS BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE DONE.
10:24:38 A, SELLING OF THE PARKING GARAGE TO TAMPA GENERAL.
10:24:42 THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST.
10:24:44 AND THE DIFFERENT LOSSES FROM 6:00 EVENING ON, CERTAIN
10:24:48 AREAS OF DOWNTOWN PARKING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
10:24:51 IT DISAPPEARS INTO OTHERS.
10:24:54 SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING -- I DON'T THINK THE GENERAL
10:24:58 FUND SHOULD CONTINUE SUBSIDIZING THIS DEPARTMENT WHEN
10:25:02 THEY ARE IN THE RED FOREVER.
10:25:04 IT DID IT FOR A WHILE AND I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU ARE
10:25:07 TEETERING AT BREAK EVEN OR JUST OVER, AM I CORRECT?
10:25:10 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
10:25:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T WANT THAT TO GO AND SOMEBODY
10:25:14 ELSE IS PAYING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE'S USAGE. I UNDERSTAND
10:25:17 AND I HAVE ALL MY HEART AND SYMPTOM THINK FOR THOSE WHO
10:25:20 ARE HANDICAPPED.
10:25:21 HOWEVER, THERE'S HOW MUCH WE CAN DO AND HOW MUCH WE CAN'T
10:25:24 DO.
10:25:25 THANK YOU THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:25:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.
10:25:32 THE MAYOR HAS A DISABILITY COMMITTEE.
10:25:35 AND I AM WONDERING, HAVE WE RUN THIS BY THE DISABILITY
10:25:40 COMMITTEE YET FOR THEIR INPUT?
10:25:42 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
10:25:43 WHAT WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE ADA COORDINATE OR
10:25:48 WITH THE CITY, AND WITH THE COMMITTEE, THROUGH HER WORK
10:25:53 WITH THE COMMITTEE, THE STATEMENT THAT THE EXTENSION OF
10:25:59 THE HOURS THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLACARDS, THE
10:26:03 FINANCIAL HAS NOTE BEEN DISCUSSED.
10:26:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID THE COMMITTEE VOTE ON THIS OR
10:26:08 SPEAK TO IT AT ALL?
10:26:10 >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
10:26:10 AND THAT'S TO THAT POINT IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, AND
10:26:14 THEY WERE IN FACT IN AGREEMENT.
10:26:16 THEY WERE MORE CONCERNED WITH THE ABUSE OF THE PLACARDS
10:26:21 MORE SO THAN THE HOURS.
10:26:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I THINK AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED OTHER
10:26:26 TIMES, THAT FRAUD ISSUE IS I THINK BEYOND COUNCIL'S
10:26:32 ABILITY TO ADDRESS.
10:26:34 I DON'T KNOW HONOR WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
10:26:36 TPD OR SOME OTHER AGENCIES THAT ACTUALLY GIVE OUT THESE
10:26:42 PLACARDS.
10:26:42 THE OTHER THING, TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION.
10:26:45 NUMBER ONE, ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, AGAIN, THIS IS WORST
10:26:51 CASE SCENARIO.
10:26:52 THIS IS EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS PARKING THERE WOULD
10:26:57 CONTINUE TO PARK THERE FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS.
10:26:59 OKAY?
10:27:00 SO THAT'S WORST CASE.
10:27:02 THAT'S ABSOLUTE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
10:27:05 WHAT MY POTENTIAL MOTION SAYS IS TO GIVE THE PEOPLE THE
10:27:09 ABILITY TO PARK UP TO EIGHT HOURS.
10:27:12 BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHAT ARE WE TELLING THEM?
10:27:14 OKAY.
10:27:14 THAT THEY HAVE GOT TO ROLL OUT THERE OR LIMP OUT OR
10:27:18 WHATEVER MEANS THEY HAVE TO GET OUT THERE TO RENEW FOR AN
10:27:23 ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS, AND THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR.
10:27:25 I THINK MOST PEOPLE THAT COME DOWNTOWN ARE NOT GOING TO
10:27:27 STAY FOR MORE THAN FOUR HOURS.
10:27:28 SO AGAIN I DON'T WANT US TO BE TOTALLY PERSUADED BY THIS
10:27:34 VERY INTIMIDATING $1.2 MILLION.
10:27:37 YEAH, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO ME AS WELL.
10:27:39 BUT I THINK THAT IS TOTAL WORST CASE SCENARIO.
10:27:45 ANYWAY, OKAY.
10:27:46 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:27:49 >>BILL CARLSON: TO THAT POINT, I WONDER NOT TO GO TOO
10:27:53 DEEP IN THE WEEDS BUT WHAT MODEL YOU USE.
10:27:55 IT WAS PARK MOBILE I THINK HAS A LOT OF DATA SO YOU
10:27:58 PROBABLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION THERE THAN YOU WOULD ON
10:28:00 THE COINS AND THE METER BOX.
10:28:02 BUT PARK MOBILE, FOR EXAMPLE, I ASSUME THAT THEY ARE ABLE
10:28:06 TO PLUG IN THE FIRST FOUR HOURS FOR FREE AND THEN YOU
10:28:10 COULD TELL, CAN YOU TELL IN THE APP THAT SOMEBODY STAYS
10:28:14 THERE FOR HOURS AND THEY ADDED THE ADDITIONAL?
10:28:17 OR IS THIS WHOLE NUMBER BASED ON A MODEL WHERE YOU ALL
10:28:19 ARE PROJECTING USING SOME KIND OF STATISTICAL MODEL TO
10:28:22 THE SIDE TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD STAY?
10:28:26 >>OCEA WYNN: OKAY, SO YES, SIR, THE DATA THAT WE ARE
10:28:30 PROVIDING IS NOT PARK MOBILE.
10:28:32 SO IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE WHO IS DISABLED TO ACCESS THE
10:28:40 FOUR THREE HOURS, THEY HAVE THEY HAVE TO ACTIVATE THE PAY
10:28:43 STATION, TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE ACTUAL PAY
10:28:46 STATION.
10:28:46 THAT'S HOW WE ARE ABLE TO GET -- TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE,
10:28:50 HOW MANY TRANSACTIONS HAVE OCCURRED.
10:28:53 >>BILL CARLSON: THE DATA AT PAY STATIONS THEY STAY FOUR
10:28:55 HOURS FREE AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE PEOPLE WHO STAYED
10:28:58 FOUR HOURS FOR FREE, HOW MANY HOURS THEY STAYED AFTER
10:29:00 THAT, CORRECT?
10:29:02 >>OCEA WYNN: RIGHT.
10:29:05 THEY ACTIVATE THE PAY STATION, AND IT'S ASKING YOU IF YOU
10:29:10 ARE DISABLED OR HANDICAPPED IN WHICH SPACE.
10:29:14 SO WE ARE ABLE TO ACCESS, GET THAT INFORMATION, AND
10:29:20 DETERMINE IF SOMEONE PARKS LONGER THAN THE FOUR HOURS, IN
10:29:25 THAT ONE SPACE, BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION CAN MAKE
10:29:31 TWO-HOUR TECHNOLOGY.
10:29:33 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M SORRY, ONE LAST THING.
10:29:37 HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU THINK WOULD STAY, IS THAT BASED ON
10:29:40 ACTUAL DATA WHERE YOU KNOW ALREADY THAT PEOPLE STAYED
10:29:44 FOUR HOURS IN ADDITION?
10:29:46 IT SOUND LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE CONNECTED IN THE DATA SETS.
10:29:48 >>OCEA WYNN: THE PREDICTED MODEL IS JUST THAT.
10:29:52 THE ONE HOUR ADDITIONAL FOUR HOURS, THAT'S THE PREDICTED
10:29:58 NUMBERS IF EVERYONE STAYED IN THOSE SPACES.
10:30:01 YES, THAT INFORMATION IS TAKEN FROM THE REALTIME NUMBERS.
10:30:07 >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE MY COLLEAGUES SAID, THE MODEL COULD
10:30:09 BE THE PREDICTION BUT THE NUMBER COULD BE LESS.
10:30:11 ALL RIGHT.
10:30:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH.
10:30:13 WE APPRECIATE IT.
10:30:15 NEXT MOVE ON WITH ITEM NUMBER 62.
10:30:31 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ONCE MORE I GAVE YOU MORE INFORMATION IN
10:30:32 WRITING THAN YOU PROBABLY WANTED BUT YOU HAD ASKED IN
10:30:34 YOUR MOTION ABOUT THE COUNTY'S UNDERGROUND UTILITIES
10:30:37 PROGRAM AND WHETHER THE CITY COULD ADOPT A SIMILAR
10:30:40 PROGRAM.
10:30:41 SO AGAIN WE PROVIDED YOU WITH A RATHER LENGTHY MEMO AND
10:30:44 ALSO A COPY OF THE COUNTY'S PROCEDURES MANUAL PROGRAM AND
10:30:49 PROCEDURES MANUAL SO YOU CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:30:52 AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A RATHER INVOLVED PROCESS.
10:30:55 SO I WILL JUST TRY TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS.
10:30:59 AND I DID DISCUSS THE PROJECT IN LENGTH WITH THE COUNTY
10:31:02 ATTORNEY WHO WAS PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAFTING THE
10:31:06 COUNTY ORDINANCE AT THE TIME.
10:31:09 THEIR ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED AS A RESULT OF A VERY
10:31:11 CONCERTED EFFORT BY A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
10:31:15 OUT IN DANA SHORES THAT WANTED TO BURY UTILITIES
10:31:18 UNDERGROUND, AND BECAUSE THE COUNTY REALIZED EARLY ON
10:31:23 THAT THE SIGNIFICANT COST THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN NOT
10:31:27 JUST IMPLEMENTING SUCH A PROGRAM BUT EVEN STUDYING THE
10:31:30 FEASIBILITY OF UNDERGROUNDING AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD'S
10:31:33 UTILITIES, THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE IMPOSES SEVERAL LEVELS
10:31:38 OF THRESHOLDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT KEEPS STAFF ON THE
10:31:44 PROCESS, THERE IS ACTUAL BUY-IN AND COMMITMENT FROM THE
10:31:47 NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO FORWARD.
10:31:48 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE OUTSET, ONLY AN ORGANIZED
10:31:51 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CAN EVEN APPLY, BE PART OF THE
10:31:55 PROGRAM, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A CERTAIN
10:31:58 AMOUNT OF CRITICAL MASS BEHIND THE APPLICATION.
10:32:03 AND THE NEXT STEP, THE COUNTY STAFF AND THEIR CONSULTANTS
10:32:07 WORKED WITH TECO TO COME UP WITH WHAT THEY CALL A ROUGH
10:32:11 BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD COST TO UNDERGROUND
10:32:14 UTILITIES, IN A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:32:16 LET ME BACK UP.
10:32:17 THEY ALSO HAVE TECO AS DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S EVEN AN
10:32:23 ELIGIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.
10:32:26 ONCE THE COUNTY HAS THAT ROUGH BALLPARK ESTIMATE OF COST
10:32:31 THERE'S A BALLOTING PROCESS WHERE EVERY PROPERTY OWNER
10:32:35 RECEIVES A BALLOT, AND NEXT 67% OF THE BALLOTS VOTE IN
10:32:41 FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD, THE PROCESS STOPS AT THAT POINT.
10:32:47 THEN THE COUNTY DOES A MUCH MORE INVOLVED FEASIBILITY
10:32:50 STUDY WITH TECO.
10:32:54 AND I DO HAVE ALAN BENNETT OF TECO HERE TO ANSWER
10:32:58 QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
10:33:00 BUT THE NEXT STEP IS, AFTER THEY GET THAT 67% VOTE FROM
10:33:06 THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY DO A FEASIBILITY
10:33:10 STUDY, A MUCH MORE INVOLVED FEASIBILITY STUDY TO COME UP
10:33:13 WITH A MUCH MORE REALISTIC ESTIMATED COST OF
10:33:18 UNDERGROUNDING THE UTILITIES, AND AT THAT POINT, THERE'S
10:33:21 ANOTHER ROUND OF BALLOTING.
10:33:24 AND UNLESS 75% OF THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS VOTE TO
10:33:28 MOVE FORWARD, THE PROJECT STOPS.
10:33:30 AND AT THAT POINT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE COUNTY
10:33:35 ESTIMATES THEY WOULD HAVE SPENT AT LEAST $300 THAT YOU TO
10:33:38 DO THAT STUDY.
10:33:39 AND IF THEY DON'T GET THE 75% VOTE, THEN THE COUNTY IS
10:33:43 OUT THAT COST.
10:33:44 I JUST WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE THAT THERE ARE COSTS
10:33:47 ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
10:33:48 NOW AGAIN IN THE COUNTY SO FAR ONLY ONE NEIGHBORHOOD
10:33:50 ASSOCIATION HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM, BUT THEY
10:33:55 HAVE SUCCESSFULLY MOVED FORWARD.
10:33:57 THEY GOT THE VOTES.
10:33:59 AND IN THAT CASE, THE ASSESSMENT AMOUNTS VARIED PURSUANT
10:34:03 TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT BASED ON THE INFORMATION
10:34:06 THE COUNTY PROVIDED TO ME, THE AVERAGE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT
10:34:12 THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA WILL BE PAYING IS
10:34:14 ABOUT 673 DOLLARS A YEAR OVER A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS.
10:34:20 THE ENTIRE UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT AGAIN IN THAT
10:34:23 PARTICULAR DANA SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD IS ESTIMATED TO BE AT
10:34:26 ABOUT $2.4 MILLION.
10:34:29 SO AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION, SHOULD THE CITY WANT TO
10:34:33 ADOPT A SIMILAR PROGRAM, YOU CAN DIRECT STAFF TO DO SO.
10:34:37 WE WOULD COORDINATE WITH TECO AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A
10:34:42 PROPOSED PROGRAM.
10:34:43 I DO WANT TO ADD ONE NOTE THAT ISN'T IN MY REPORT.
10:34:46 A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE PAST FEW DAYS HAVE MENTIONED TO
10:34:50 ME, THERE WAS A FLORIDA STATUTE ADOPTED IN THE LAST
10:34:54 SESSION, THE STORM PROTECTION COST RECOVERY ACT, THAT
10:34:58 TALKED ABOUT REQUIRING ALL THE INVESTOR OWNED UTILITIES
10:35:05 IN THE STATE INCLUDING TECO TO COME UP WITH A TEN YEAR
10:35:08 PLAN FOR HARDENING THEIR UTILITIES TO MAKE THEM SAFER IN
10:35:12 A STORM.
10:35:15 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TALKS ABOUT IS UNDERGROUNDING
10:35:18 UTILITIES.
10:35:19 IN FACT TODAY AT THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION, THEY ARE
10:35:21 HAVING A RULE ADOPTION HEARING ON THIS PROGRAM.
10:35:23 BUT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH TECO, AND I DID DO MY OWN
10:35:26 RESEARCH, AND I THINK SOME OF THE PRESS ARTICLES ABOUT
10:35:30 THIS PROGRAM HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MISLEADING, SUGGESTING
10:35:33 THAT THIS WOULD RESULT IN ANY KIND OF BEGINNING
10:35:36 UNDERGROUND BEING OF UTILITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA
10:35:39 STATE OF FLORIDA.
10:35:40 IT'S REALLY REQUIRING THE UTILITIES TO COME UP WITH A TEN
10:35:42 YEAR PLAN, AND A LOT OF STUDYING HAS TO BE DONE.
10:35:47 I DID CONFIRM WITH MR. DUNHAM OF TECO THAT IT'S FAIR TO
10:35:51 SAY NOTHING IN THAT STATUTE IS GOING TO LEAD TO ANY QUICK
10:35:54 UNDERGROUNDING OF UTILITIES IN TAMPA.
10:35:56 SO SHOULD THE CITY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROGRAM
10:36:00 LIKE HILLSBOROUGH THAT HASN'T BEEN SUPERCEDED NOW BY THE
10:36:04 STATE STATUTE.
10:36:06 HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
10:36:08 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:36:09 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:36:13 >>BILL CARLSON: ISN'T IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COUNTY JUST TO
10:36:14 AMEND THEIR ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN WITHIN CITY
10:36:17 LIMITS?
10:36:20 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I DID ACTUALLY DISCUSS THAT QUESTION
10:36:21 WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
10:36:22 AT THE TIME THAT THE COUNTY ADOPTED THEIR PROGRAM, THEY
10:36:26 MADE A VERY EXPRESS DECISION TO NOT INCLUDE THE CITY'S
10:36:33 THE PROGRAM IS REALLY DESIGNED TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD BY
10:36:34 NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM, AND FRANKLY THE COUNTY STAFF AND
10:36:38 THE COUNTY BOARD, THEY ARE NOT USED TO DEALING WITH --
10:36:43 THEY AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY NEIGHBORHOODS AS YOU
10:36:45 ARE AND AS OUR STAFF IS.
10:36:47 IN ADDITION, IT WOULD BE -- IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY
10:36:51 COSTLY ENDEAVOR.
10:36:54 AND EVEN IF THE COUNTY WERE TO BE AMENABLE TO THAT, WE
10:36:58 WOULD HAVE TO ENTER INTO SOME INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH
10:37:01 REGARD TO THE SHARING OF COSTS.
10:37:03 IF THEY WERE AMENABLE.
10:37:05 BUT WHAT THEY EXPLAINED TO ME WAS AT THE TIME THEY
10:37:08 ADOPTED, THEY MADE THE EXPRESS DECISION NOT TO INCLUDE
10:37:11 THE MUNICIPALITIES, TO ONLY HAVE IT APPLY TO
10:37:13 UNINCORPORATED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT'S
10:37:17 THE PEOPLE THEIR STAFF REGULARLY DEALS WITH.
10:37:21 OUR STAFF, OUR CONNELL, REGULARLY DEALS WITH THE
10:37:25 NEIGHBORHOODS IN TAMPA, MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE
10:37:27 NEIGHBORHOOD IN TAMPA.
10:37:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:37:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MS. ZELMAN, FOR YOUR
10:37:35 COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
10:37:39 TEN YEARS AGO WHEN I REPRESENTED SOUTH TAMPA,
10:37:43 SPECIFICALLY, DAVIS ISLANDERS WERE COMING TO US, COMING
10:37:47 TO ME AS A DISTRICT 4 REPRESENTATIVE, AND SPECIFICALLY
10:37:52 REQUESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALLOW THEM
10:37:56 SELF-DETERMINATION TO, YOU KNOW, TO START THIS
10:38:00 UNDERGROUNDING EFFORT.
10:38:02 AND WE HAVE NOTHING IN PLACE TO ASSIST THAT.
10:38:06 I DON'T KNOW HOW DAVIS ISLAND WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT AT
10:38:10 THIS POINT, OR OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:38:13 THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED.
10:38:15 BUT I KNOW AS THESE STORMS GET STRONGER AND WE SEE AREAS
10:38:19 LIKE UP IN THE PANHANDLE AND OF COURSE THE BAHAMAS GET
10:38:22 DEVASTATED, AND THEIR ELECTRIC GRID GETS WIPED OUT
10:38:27 BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOVE GROUND, THE INTEREST MIGHT
10:38:29 INCREASE.
10:38:31 THE COST ISSUE IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT.
10:38:35 HOWEVER, THERE HASN'T BEEN A HUGE, YOU KNOW, STORMING OF
10:38:38 THE BASTILLE IN TERMS OF THE COUNTY'S PROGRAM, AND THE
10:38:42 COUNTY'S PROGRAM HAS BEEN IN PLACE I'M SURE AT LEAST FIVE
10:38:45 YEARS, AND THEY HAVE HAD ONE NEIGHBORHOOD GO FORWARD WITH
10:38:47 IT.
10:38:48 SO IT COST THE COUNTY A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
10:38:52 TO HELP WITH THAT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH I THINK THE
10:38:54 COUNTY WILL GET REIMBURSED ULTIMATELY NOW THAT IT GOT
10:38:57 APPROVED.
10:38:57 >> CORRECT.
10:38:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITH THAT SAID, I THINK RESILIENCY IS
10:39:01 A HUGE ISSUE FOR OUR CITY.
10:39:04 AND FRANKLY THE CITY BEING THE PART THAT'S RIGHT ON THE
10:39:11 BAY MIGHT BE EVEN MORE VULNERABLE THAN THE COUNTY, OR
10:39:15 MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTY.
10:39:18 SO I AM GOING TO ADD IT TO MY LIST OF MOTIONS, BUT I
10:39:22 INTEND TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE END OF THE MEETING TO MOVE
10:39:28 FORWARD WITH A SIMILAR ORDINANCE.
10:39:31 PASSING THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T COST US A PENNY.
10:39:33 AND THEN IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS COME FORWARD IN A SERIOUS
10:39:36 WAY, THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE BUDGET ISSUES DOWN THE
10:39:40 ROAD.
10:39:40 THANK YOU.
10:39:41 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
10:39:42 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:39:43 WE APPRECIATE IT.
10:39:44 NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 63 AND 64 WHICH WE CAN TAKE
10:39:48 TOGETHER.
10:39:48 I INITIATED THOSE.
10:39:50 I DON'T -- AND I SEE MS. COYLE HERE.
10:39:53 IF YOU WISH TO COME FORWARD, YOU MAY.
10:39:55 BUT I DON'T REALLY NEED TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
10:40:00 JUST TALK ABOUT THIS, THAT WE HAVE PASSED THIS AS YOU ALL
10:40:03 REMEMBER AN ORDINANCE OR LAND USE DEVELOPMENT WITH I
10:40:11 BELIEVE IT WAS A CAR RENTAL FACILITY, WHICH I FOUND OUT
10:40:14 WAS PRETTY DARN NEAR THE JACKSON HOUSE.
10:40:17 SO THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT COME OUT OF THIS.
10:40:19 NUMBER ONE, YOU WILL SEE IN THE MEMORANDUM HERE -- LET ME
10:40:24 FIND THIS HERE -- THAT FROM HERE ON OUT, PLANNING STAFF
10:40:30 WILL INCLUDE ANY LANDMARK STRUCTURE ON THE AERIAL MAP
10:40:33 THAT IS PRODUCED FOR REZONING, SPECIAL USE, ALCOHOL
10:40:36 DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW PETITION NEARBY.
10:40:40 SO THE PLANNERS WILL ALSO INCLUDE A NEW SECTION IN THESE
10:40:43 REPORTS ENTITLED LANDMARK STRUCTURES WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF
10:40:47 SUBJECT PROPERTY UNDER WHICH EACH LANDMARK STRUCTURE WILL
10:40:49 BE LISTED WITH PERTINENT DETAILS.
10:40:51 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR US HERE IN THE CITY, HISTORICAL
10:40:54 PRESERVATION IS A VERY BIG DEAL, AND I THINK THAT IF WE
10:40:57 ARE DEALING WITH A REZONING, IF WE ARE DEALING WITH ANY
10:41:00 KIND OF LAND USE DEVELOPMENT DEAL, OR ISSUE, THAT WE
10:41:03 OUGHT TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION WITH US.
10:41:05 AND I THINK THAT THIS POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE BEEN AN
10:41:09 EXAMPLE OF INFORMATION THAT WE EITHER SHOULD HAVE SOUGHT
10:41:14 OR HAD.
10:41:14 I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I AM NOT POINTING THE FINGER AT
10:41:17 ANYBODY, THE CITY.
10:41:18 THE BUCK STOPS WITH US 110%.
10:41:29 [NO ENCODER]
10:41:32 [NO ENCODER]
10:41:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ZONING, THE JACKSON HOUSE ISSUE CAME
10:41:49 UP.
10:41:49 SO IT WASN'T THAT WE WERE IGNORANT ABOUT THE FACT THAT
10:41:53 JACKSON HOUSE WAS NEXT DOOR.
10:41:54 I THINK WE RECOGNIZED IT WAS A SLIGHT DISTANCE FROM THE
10:41:57 ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF.
10:41:58 I THINK WE INTUITIVELY CONCLUDED IT WOULDN'T HAVE ANY
10:42:02 MASSIVE IMPACT AND THAT'S WHY WE VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT.
10:42:05 MR. CHAIRMAN, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ITEM 60 NEEDS TO
10:42:08 BE ADDRESSED BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD.
10:42:11 UNLESS WE ALREADY DID IT.
10:42:12 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED.
10:42:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DON'T WE NEED A MOTION?
10:42:22 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:42:22 AND WE WILL DO THAT.
10:42:24 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:42:25 I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SO WE EXPLICITLY HAVE
10:42:27 THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PERTINENT INFORMATION.
10:42:32 IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING SO.
10:42:34 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
10:42:36 THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT FORWARD.
10:42:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:42:38 I APPRECIATE IT SIR.
10:42:39 AND SINCE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, MAY
10:42:42 I HAVE A CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER 60?
10:42:46 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:42:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DECEMBER 5, 201-93-6789 AND SECOND I
10:42:56 THINK BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:42:58 NEXT WE MOVE ONWARD TO ITEM 65.
10:43:01 >>THOM SNELLING: PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT.
10:43:13 I DID PROVIDE THE MOST RECENT DRAFT OF THE INFORMATION
10:43:20 THAT WE WERE WORKING ON SUSTAINABILITY AND CREATING --
10:43:27 YOU WILL REMEMBER, AS YOU HAD DRAFTED A RESOLUTION BACK
10:43:32 IN THE DAY, ABOUT HOW THAT WAS TO BE REPORTED ON AN
10:43:34 ANNUAL BASIS.
10:43:35 THE ITEMS THAT HI SENT BEFORE YOU HAD TAKEN ON QUITE A
10:43:38 DIFFERENT LOOK THAN SEVERAL OTHER PREVIOUS ANNUAL
10:43:41 REPORTS.
10:43:44 AND WE HAVE ALSO EXPANDED.
10:43:45 THE ONE THING I DID WANT TO TOUCH ON IS THAT WE INCLUDED
10:43:50 THE SOCIAL EQUITY PART OF THIS.
10:43:52 AND THAT'S OFTEN TALKED ABOUT AS THE THIRD LAYER OF THE
10:43:57 SUSTAINABILITY STOOL.
10:43:59 AND IT WASN'T IN ANY OF THE EARLIER REPORTS.
10:44:02 THE SOCIAL EQUITY REPORT, WE NEEDED TO START ABOUT A YEAR
10:44:07 AGO.
10:44:07 I BRANCHED OUT AND INCLUDED IT.
10:44:09 SO A LOT OF OUR POLICY PROGRAMS AND ITEMS THAT THE CITY
10:44:14 HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE
10:44:17 ONES THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE OVER THE LAST YEAR HAVE
10:44:21 INCLUDED IN THAT.
10:44:23 THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE OVERALL BIT OF A CHANGE
10:44:26 IN THE REPORTING PROCESS IS THAT WE STARTED TO TAKE A
10:44:30 LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS AND POLICIES THAT THE CITY
10:44:34 HAS AS IT REFLECTED OUR ORIGINAL 2012 GREENHOUSE GAS
10:44:39 EMISSION STUDY.
10:44:40 AND THOSE ITEMS SHOW HOW THE CITY IS ADDRESSING SOME OF
10:44:43 THOSE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM THAT STUDY.
10:44:48 THE OTHER PART OF THE MOTION WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE DO
10:44:52 WE GO FROM HERE?
10:44:53 WHAT ARE WE DOING?
10:44:54 WHAT HAVE BEEN WE DONE LATELY KIND OF THING?
10:44:58 AND IN MY RESPONSE I SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A
10:45:02 SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE MAYOR'S FIVE STRATEGIC AREAS.
10:45:06 THEY WERE JUST -- IT WAS STARTING TO COME UP AGAIN IN
10:45:10 SCUFF STAFF MEETINGS.
10:45:11 AND THE SUSTAINABILITY COORDINATOR, RESILIENCY
10:45:16 COORDINATOR, OR OFFICER, WILL TAKE THE LEAD IN COORDINATE
10:45:22 THE EFFORTS GOING FORWARD.
10:45:23 CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING ON WITH THE REGIONAL PLANNING
10:45:25 COUNCIL THEIR RESILIENCY COALITION TO BECOME PART OF THE
10:45:30 OVERALL -- THAT COALITION AS IT APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE BAY
10:45:34 BECAUSE DOESN'T REAL RECOGNIZE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES IT
10:45:41 WAS DECIDED BY THAT COALITION THAT MYSELF AND RANDY GOERS
10:45:45 ON HAD BEEN WORKING WITH CG REYNOLDS.
10:45:48 SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW HER.
10:45:49 SHE WAS OVER AT THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.
10:45:51 SHE WAS BROUGHT IN SPECIFICALLY TO DO THAT.
10:45:53 WE ALSO HAVE MR. GORE WORKING WITH OUR STAFF IN UPDATING
10:45:56 OUR LOCAL MITIGATION STRATEGY THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW WE
10:46:00 RECOVER, WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WE ARE GOING TO DO TO
10:46:04 MITIGATE IMPACTS IN GENERAL.
10:46:06 BUT ALL OF THAT WILL BE ROLLED IN.
10:46:08 EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU, THE RESILIENCY
10:46:12 COALITION WORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AND ALSO THE
10:46:13 STORMWATER DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH US ON THAT, AS WELL AS
10:46:17 THE LOCAL MITIGATION STRATEGY, AND THE OTHER KINDS OF
10:46:22 INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT WILL ALL BE ROLLED INTO ONE
10:46:27 PLAN WHICH WILL AFFECT VIRTUALLY EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT.
10:46:31 I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE SOME.
10:46:33 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:46:34 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:46:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SNELLING, THANK YOU.
10:46:37 IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE DOCUMENT HERE THAT I AM GOING TO
10:46:42 ASSUME ARE ALSO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
10:46:44 >>THOM SNELLING: YES, SIR.
10:46:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN THAT FASHION.
10:46:49 WHEN WE FIRST TOOK THIS ON, 3506, SOMETHING LIKE THAT --
10:46:59 >>THOM SNELLING: 08.
10:47:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 08.
10:47:02 I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT AND EXCITED TO SEE THE CITY
10:47:06 MADE A LOT OF STRIDES IN REGARD TO GREEN OPERATIONS AND
10:47:08 GREEN SPACES AND GREEN BUILDINGS.
10:47:15 WERE WE EVER ABLE TO IDENTIFY QUANTITATIVELY OUR GREEN
10:47:21 HOUSE EMISSIONS AT A CERTAIN POINT AS A BENCHMARK AND IN
10:47:29 2008 KNOW WHERE WE ARE ELEVEN YEARS LATER IN REGARD TO
10:47:31 IMPROVING THAT?
10:47:32 OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T CONTROL SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT
10:47:35 THE REST OF THE POPULATION DOES OUT THERE IN THE CITY.
10:47:39 BUT IN TERMS OF THE CITY OPERATIONS AND THAT SORT OF
10:47:42 THING, WAS THAT PART OF WHAT OF WE HAVE DONE OVER THE
10:47:46 LAST ELEVEN YEARS?
10:47:48 >>THOM SNELLING: IN 2012, WE DID UNDERTAKE -- THAT'S
10:47:53 WHEN WE GOT AN ENERGY EFFICIENCY CONSERVATION BLOCK
10:47:56 GRANT.
10:47:57 A CHUNK OF THAT MONEY.
10:47:59 AND THEN MAYOR IORIO CARVED OUT A PILE OF MONEY TO DO
10:48:04 THIS STUDY, THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION STUDY.
10:48:06 SO IT WAS A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN 2011 USING
10:48:10 THAT DATA.
10:48:14 IT PROBABLY NEEDS -- I THINK WHAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU, AND
10:48:17 HOW I HAVE TAKEN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND PLUGGED THEM
10:48:20 INTO CITY OPERATIONS IMPLEMENTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS,
10:48:25 WILL ANECDOTALLY SAY, YEAH, OUR GREENHOUSE GAS IS GOING
10:48:29 DOWN.
10:48:29 BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT NEEDS TO, LIKE YOU SAY, STICK A
10:48:34 PIN IN IT, TAKE ANOTHER SNAPSHOT, IT WOULD NOW BE EIGHT
10:48:38 YEARS LATER.
10:48:38 AND THEN SEE WHERE IT IS NOW BECAUSE THAT WILL DICTATE
10:48:41 SOME OTHER KINDS OF PROGRAMS YOU MAY WANT TO DO GOING
10:48:44 FORWARD.
10:48:44 AND THE MAYOR IS VERY WELL IN TUNE WITH THAT.
10:48:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THAT OR
10:48:51 IS THAT ANOTHER GRANT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO?
10:48:54 BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD BENCHMARK.
10:48:58 THAT'S GREAT.
10:48:59 BUT OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO KEEP THAT GOING EVERY COUPLE OF
10:49:02 YEARS TO SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, IF THESE CHANGES ARE ACTUALLY
10:49:06 MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
10:49:07 ONE THING I AM NOT SEEING ON HERE ARE VEHICLES.
10:49:10 AND I PUSHED A LONG TIME AGO FOR MORE HYBRIDS AND
10:49:13 ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
10:49:15 AND I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN OUR FLEET.
10:49:17 AND THAT SORT OF BOTHERS ME A LITTLE BIT.
10:49:20 NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF THE STRIDES THAT WE CAN MAKE BUT
10:49:22 ALSO IN TERMS.
10:49:23 EXAMPLE THAT WE CAN SET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:49:26 TWO QUESTIONS THERE.
10:49:29 ONE IS THE MONEY TO DO IT.
10:49:31 >>THOM SNELLING: WELL, THE MONEY TO DO IT, IF THE
10:49:33 MAYOR -- I MEAN, SHE MADE A STRONG COMMITMENT TO DO A
10:49:36 RESILIENCY PLAN.
10:49:38 AND THAT'S PART OF ONE OF HER STRATEGIC GOALS AND IT'S
10:49:41 LISTED IN THE BUDGET SO I AM GOING TO SAY YES, HAVING
10:49:43 THAT PLAN AND GOING FORWARD WITH THAT PLAN.
10:49:46 IS CONTEMPLATING FOR A FUNDING SOURCE.
10:49:49 THE OTHER PART OF IT LIKE I SAID, I AM ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF
10:49:52 SEARCHING FOR ADDITIONAL GRANTS.
10:49:53 BECAUSE ANYTIME WE CAN MITIGATE OUR FUNDING SOURCES TO
10:49:57 STRETCH OUR DOLLAR IS A GOOD THING.
10:49:59 AND THERE ARE GRANTS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN PROBABLY TAKE
10:50:01 ADVANTAGE OF.
10:50:02 WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE GRANT, OR WITH THE RESILIENCY
10:50:06 COALITION OVER IN TAMPA BAY PLANNING COMMISSION, TAMPA
10:50:11 BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION.
10:50:13 WE ARE GOING TO PARTNER UP WITH THEM AS PART OF A GRANT
10:50:16 WHICH WILL HELP ANOTHER ASSESSMENT.
10:50:20 SO WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.
10:50:22 THERE'S NO MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT BUT IF WE CAN BECOME
10:50:25 PART OF THAT GRANT, WE ARE JUST MATCHING THE IN-KIND
10:50:27 SERVICES.
10:50:28 IT'S NOT COSTING US ANYTHING.
10:50:29 BUT AGAIN IT VALIDATES OUR DATA.
10:50:31 IT HELPS GIVE US SOME METRICS.
10:50:33 IT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHERE WE CAN ARE MORE EFFECTIVE IN
10:50:37 THE KINDS OF THINGS OF THAT WE DO.
10:50:39 AND IT ALSO RELATES TO MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE ARE
10:50:42 DOING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND DISENFRANCHISED AREAS,
10:50:46 THAT'S ALSO PART OF THAT GRANT TO ASSESS THE BEST PLACES
10:50:48 TO PUT HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
10:50:53 SO IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION.
10:50:54 IT'S A PRETTY SPECIAL GRANT.
10:50:57 WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION?
10:50:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FLEET.
10:50:59 >>THOM SNELLING: FLEET, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU ARE CORRECT.
10:51:02 WE HAVEN'T.
10:51:06 WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT AND JUST DONE ANY KIND OF ONGOING
10:51:08 THING.
10:51:09 I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH OCEA BECAUSE SHE IS IF PERSON
10:51:13 THAT'S IN CHARGE OF FLEET.
10:51:14 I BELIEVE WE HAVE MADE GREAT STRIDES IN COMPRESSED
10:51:19 NATURAL GAS, VEHICLES FOR SOLID WASTE PICKUP.
10:51:21 BUT THEN THERE'S A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE
10:51:24 COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS COMES FROM, WHICH I REALLY DON'T
10:51:27 WANT TO TOUCH RIGHT NOW.
10:51:30 BUT I THINK I CAN CHECK BACK WITH OCEA AND I CAN SHOOT
10:51:34 COUNCIL A MEMO AND SAY HERE IS WHERE WE ARE.
10:51:37 I CAN DO THAT IN A PRETTY EASY REPORT.
10:51:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE SEND US A MEMO FROM HER, FROM
10:51:42 YOU, WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR THE FLEET.
10:51:45 IF ANY.
10:51:47 THANK YOU.
10:51:49 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:51:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SIR.
10:51:53 YOU KNOW, I LOOK BACK IN 2008, 2007.
10:51:58 MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT YEAR IT IS.
10:52:00 IT COULD BE 2023 IN THE FUTURE.
10:52:02 BUT IT'S NOT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT.
10:52:03 IT'S WHAT YOU DO.
10:52:04 AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU SPECIFICALLY.
10:52:06 ANYONE.
10:52:08 WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT WATER USES, YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR
10:52:10 LIFESTYLE, AND GRASS TAKES A LOT OF WATER.
10:52:19 ROCKS DON'T TAKE ANY WATER.
10:52:20 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR FLEET, SOME OF OUR FLEET ARE
10:52:23 HYBRIDS.
10:52:24 I HAVE SEEN THEM.
10:52:25 BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE PROGRAMS SO EVERY
10:52:29 BUDGET YOU CAN SAY YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING?
10:52:30 AND I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT YOU AGAIN.
10:52:32 IT'S THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
10:52:33 HOW MANY ELECTRIC CARS WE ARE GOING TO BUY.
10:52:35 THE ONLY WAY YOU LEAD IS BY EXAMPLE.
10:52:38 YOU DO NOT LEAD BY TALKING ABOUT AN EXAMPLE.
10:52:42 BECAUSE IT NEVER BECOMES A REALITY.
10:52:45 AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.
10:52:46 BUT YOU LOOK OUTSIDE.
10:52:47 YOU SEE AN ALL-ELECTRIC CAR.
10:52:53 AN OLD HOUSE, YOU DON'T SEE ANY GRASS.
10:52:55 YOU SEE ANOTHER CAR, IT'S A HIDE HYBRID.
10:52:59 GO IT TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY TWO CARS.
10:53:02 I DIDN'T WANT TO GO IN DEBT TO BUY TWO ELECTRIC CARS.
10:53:06 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, IF THE CITY OF TAMPA ELECTED OR
10:53:10 NOT ELECTED EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY, CREATE A CLUB OR
10:53:17 SOMETHING, EVERYBODY WANTS A CLUB, EVERYBODY WANTS A
10:53:21 SLOGAN.
10:53:22 I DON'T WANT NONE OF THAT.
10:53:23 I WANT REALITY TO BE DONE.
10:53:25 WHETHER IT'S CAUSED BY NATURE, WHETHER IT'S CAUSED BY THE
10:53:29 EFFECTS OF ABUSE OF US HUMANS ON EARTH, IT'S CAUSED BY
10:53:34 SOMETHING AND I AM NOT HERE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ISSUE.
10:53:39 THERE WAS 100 OF BIG LAKERS UP IN ALASKA, AND ONLY 25
10:53:46 LEFT.
10:53:48 THE AMAZON FOREST WHEN IT BURNED IT TOOK 20% OF THE
10:53:52 OXYGEN OF THE WORLD'S OXYGEN SUPPLY.
10:53:54 BUT IT GOES IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER.
10:53:59 WE ARE FACING OUR OWN FUTURE.
10:54:04 AND WHICH WAY WE ARE GOING TO LIVE.
10:54:06 YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO BUILD HOUSE IT IS WAY THEY ARE NOW.
10:54:09 WHEN YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND IT'S GOT THE EAVES ON THE
10:54:12 OUTSIDE, GUESS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A HURRICANE COMES OR
10:54:15 HIGH WIND COMES.
10:54:15 FIRST THING GOES OUT IS THE ROOF.
10:54:18 ONCE THE ROOF GOES, IT'S OVER.
10:54:21 EVERYTHING IS GONE.
10:54:24 COMPRESSION.
10:54:25 I LIKE TO SEE HOUSES BUILT WHERE THERE ARE NO EAVES. THE
10:54:29 WINDOWS ARE NOT JUST SQUARE, THEY ARE ROUNDED SO THAT THE
10:54:32 WIND CAN'T PICK UP ANYTHING.
10:54:33 BUT I AM JUST A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
10:54:35 I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT.
10:54:37 AND I DON'T WANT TO BE AN ARCHITECT.
10:54:39 BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH YEARS TO LEARN TO BE AN
10:54:42 ARCHITECT.
10:54:43 AND IF I DIDN'T IT'S COULDN'T MAKE A LIVING AS AN
10:54:45 ARCHITECT.
10:54:46 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS DON'T TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT DONE.
10:54:50 SHOW ME BY EXAMPLE.
10:54:52 AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET IT DONE.
10:54:54 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:54:55 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:54:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VERY QUICKLY, MYSELF AND OTHER COUNCILMEN
10:54:59 HERE WERE AT LEAGUE OF CITIES UP IN ORLANDO AND WE SAW A
10:55:02 PRESENTATION BY THE CITY OF ORLANDO AND HOW THEY HAVE
10:55:04 BECOME GREEN.
10:55:07 I WOULD LIKE TO NOT BE ORLANDO BUT HOWEVER LEARN FROM
10:55:10 WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
10:55:11 FIRST OF ALL, FLEET.
10:55:13 NOT EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
10:55:14 I WOULD LIKE TO GO SEE THEM BECOME ELECTRICAL.
10:55:17 THE COST IS OUTRAGEOUS.
10:55:20 HOWEVER, PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON ALL MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS
10:55:23 SO THAT WE COULD RECHARGE OUR CARS MIGHT OFFSET THE COST.
10:55:28 GRANTS.
10:55:29 WHY ARE WE FIGHTING MORE FOR GRANTS?
10:55:31 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FACTS AND FIGURES OF THE MONEY SPENT
10:55:34 TODAY, WAITS GOING TO SAVE US TEN YEARS FROM NOW, KNIFE
10:55:40 YEARS ARE FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND HOW WE CAN
10:55:43 ADVANCE OURSELVES AND MAKE A PROMISE TO THE CITIZENS OF
10:55:45 TAMPA THAT WE WILL BE GREEN IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS SO THAT
10:55:48 WE CAN SAY, WE ARE TAMPA, WE HAVE LEARNED FROM OTHER
10:55:51 CITIES, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
10:55:53 PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
10:55:54 >>THOM SNELLING: I BELIEVE OUR MAYOR HAS MADE THAT EXACT
10:55:58 STATEMENT, TO BE TOTALLY RENEWABLE.
10:56:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN I SEE FACTS AND FIGURES?
10:56:04 SHOWING US THE PROGRESSES AND CONSEQUENCE. IF WE SPEND
10:56:06 THIS MONEY NOW, HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO SAVE US TEN YEARS
10:56:09 FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
10:56:11 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:56:13 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:56:15 WE APPRECIATE IT.
10:56:16 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION
10:56:18 OF LEGISLATIVE MAT OARS?
10:56:22 THERE APPARENTLY BEING NONE WE MOVE TO COMMITTEE REPORTS.
10:56:27 PUBLIC SAFETY MR. CITRO.
10:56:29 CITY MOVE AGENDA ITEMS 5 THROUGH 18.
10:56:32 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. A SECOND BY
10:56:35 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:56:39 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:56:40 I OPPOSED?
10:56:41 PARKS AND RECREATION, CULTURAL COMMITTEE.
10:56:43 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:56:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE DEMOCRATS 19 AND 20.
10:56:46 >> SECOND.
10:56:47 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:56:48 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:56:50 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:56:51 ANY OPPOSED?
10:56:52 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ITEMS 21-31, SIR.
10:56:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:56:59 I WILL MOVE ITEMS 21 THROUGH 31 WITH A SUBSTITUTE
10:57:05 RESOLUTION ON ITEM 23.
10:57:09 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:57:11 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:57:14 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:57:14 CITY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, MIRANDA, FINANCE.
10:57:17 >> MOVE 32 THROUGH 36.
10:57:21 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:57:22 ALL IN FAVOR?
10:57:23 ANY OPPOSED?
10:57:24 AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT IF I MAY THAT I BELIEVE ITEM 33
10:57:28 THERE IS FOR THOSE EAST TAMPA FUNDS --
10:57:37 >> ALL THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS.
10:57:41 >>BILL CARLSON: IN REGARD TO ITEM 37, 36 WHICH IS A
10:57:44 REPORT FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION.
10:57:48 AND IT WAS RECEIVED AND FILED.
10:57:50 BUT I HAD A CHAT WITH CHIEF STAFF BENNETT IN REGARD TO
10:57:54 ETHICS TRAINING, AND I JUST STRESSED TO HIM THE
10:57:57 IMPORTANCE THAT NOT ONLY ARE THE REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES
10:58:01 TRAINED ON ETHICS BUT THAT OUR STAFF BE INCLUDED IN THAT
10:58:06 TRAINING BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL
10:58:10 ETHICS ISSUES THAT OUR STAFF WILL NEED TO BE CAUGHT UP TO
10:58:17 SPEED, OUR STAFF UP TO SPEED ON.
10:58:20 MR. SHELBY IS GOING TO GIVE US ADDITIONAL ETHICS
10:58:23 TRAINING, I GUESS, OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO.
10:58:25 NEXT WEEK.
10:58:26 THERE WE GO.
10:58:27 THANK YOU.
10:58:29 >>LUIS VIERA: AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:58:34 >>BILL CARLSON: ITEM 42 RELATED TO THE ECONOMIC
10:58:39 DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
10:58:40 AND I HAVE BEEN SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN LIKE A BROKEN
10:58:43 RECORD THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOT
10:58:45 JUST REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
10:58:47 THIS CONSULTING PROJECT IS PARTLY OR MOSTLY ABOUT LOOKING
10:58:52 AT THE REAL ESTATE PROCESSES, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO CHIEF
10:58:56 OF STAFF, AND MS. POST AND OTHERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN
10:59:01 IT.
10:59:01 AS THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE
10:59:03 TRYING TO FIX EVERYTHING.
10:59:04 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HELD THE CITY BACK IN THE LAST FEW
10:59:07 YEARS IS THAT PERMITTING WAS NOT APPROPRIATE OR FAST
10:59:10 ENOUGH.
10:59:10 WE CELEBRATED THE SUCCESSES OF DOWNTOWN.
10:59:15 WE MIGHT HAVE HAD TWICE AS MUCH DOWNTOWN HAD THE
10:59:16 PERMITTING PROCESS WORKED.
10:59:17 SO IT'S ESSENTIAL.
10:59:19 BUT THE STAFF ASSURED ME THAT WE ARE GOING TO, AFTER THIS
10:59:22 IS DONE, OUR SIMULTANEOUSLY, COME BACK AND LOOK AT
10:59:27 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVERALL.
10:59:28 WITH THAT SAID I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 37 THROUGH 47.
10:59:33 >> EXCUSE ME, CHAIR CHARLES.
10:59:37 >>BILL CARLSON: 46.
10:59:38 37 THROUGH 46.
10:59:38 >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:59:40 >>THE CLERK: DUFFS THAT INCLUDE THE SUBSTITUTION?
10:59:46 >>LUIS VIERA: ALL IN FAVOR?
10:59:47 ANY OPPOSED?
10:59:48 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:59:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE ITEM NUMBER 47.
10:59:51 >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
10:59:55 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:59:56 ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
10:59:58 OKAY.
10:59:58 MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEMS 48 TO BE SCHEDULED?
11:00:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO SCHEDULE THIS HEARING FOR
11:00:08 NOVEMBER 21st, 2019 AT 10:30 A.M.
11:00:12 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:00:13 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:00:14 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:00:16 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:00:17 ANY OPPOSED?
11:00:18 OKAY.
11:00:18 NEXT WE MOVE TO OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS.
11:00:22 I DON'T -- SINCE THESE ARE SECOND READINGS I DON'T
11:00:26 BELIEVE WEAVE WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN.
11:00:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:00:32 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:00:34 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:00:35 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:00:36 ANY OPPOSED?
11:00:37 IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO SPEAK OR TESTIFY TODAY, PLEASE
11:00:40 STAND UP IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SO.
11:00:42 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND BE PREPARED TO BE SWORN IN.
11:00:45 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
11:00:59 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
11:01:01 COORDINATION.
11:01:01 ITEMS 49 THROUGH 535 ARE ALL SECOND READINGS FOR REZONING
11:01:06 APPLICATIONS OR QUASI-USE APPLICATIONS, REQUIRED CHANGES
11:01:11 HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND ARE IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:01:14 I BELIEVE ALL OUR APPLICANTS ARE HERE EXEMPT FOR ONE
11:01:16 WHICH I WILL SPEAK TO LATER.
11:01:18 WE ARE READY TO PROCEED.
11:01:19 THANK YOU.
11:01:19 >>LUIS VIERA: 49.
11:01:29 PERRY SULLIVAN.
11:01:35 I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON COLLEGE HILL PROJECT, THE CHURCH.
11:01:39 ESSENTIALLY, THE LONG AND SHORT IS, WE HAD AN ISSUE FROM
11:01:46 A TREE, AND THAT WAS -- WE WERE ABLE TO CUT THAT 6 FEET
11:02:01 DOWN TO 20 FEET.
11:02:03 SO WE ARE GOING THROUGH REZONING AGAIN TO GET THIS
11:02:09 REVISED.
11:02:18 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:02:18 ANY QUESTIONS?
11:02:21 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:02:23 NOTHING ELSE?
11:02:24 JUST MAKING SURE.
11:02:25 ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUSH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 49?
11:02:28 IF SO COME FORWARD.
11:02:29 >> MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:02:30 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:02:32 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:02:34 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:02:34 ANY OPPOSED?
11:02:37 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, COULD YOU TAKE ITEM 49?
11:02:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
11:02:43 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
11:02:46 AND ADOPTION, THIS IS IN REGARD TO REZ 19-47.
11:02:50 AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
11:02:53 3814, 3831 AND 3914 NORTH 29th STREET, 2631 EAST 32ND
11:03:00 AVENUE, 2616, 2618, 2621, 2901, AND 2902 EAST 33rd
11:03:11 AVENUE, 2613, 2902, 2909, 2911, 2913, 2915, 2917 AND 2919
11:03:19 LINDELL AVENUE AND 2915 EAST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.
11:03:24 BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
11:03:26 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:03:29 CLASSIFICATIONS PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF
11:03:32 RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PLACE OF
11:03:34 RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:03:36 >> SECOND.
11:03:38 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:03:40 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:03:42 THIS IS SECOND READING BUT I BELIEVE OUR SYSTEM IS DOWN
11:03:45 SO LET'S DO ROLL CALL.
11:03:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GET EXTRA CREDIT FOR THE LENGTH OF
11:03:49 THAT ONE.
11:03:52 YES.
11:03:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:03:55 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:03:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
11:03:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:04:01 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:04:01 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:04:05 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 50; ANYONE HERE
11:04:14 FOR 50?
11:04:15 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: I DO NOT SEE THE APPLICANT PRESENT.
11:04:17 HOWEVER, I ASK THAT YOU PROCEED WITH THE HEARING.
11:04:20 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:04:21 ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 50?
11:04:25 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:04:26 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:04:29 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:04:31 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:04:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE NUMBER REZ 19-70, ORDINANCE BEING
11:04:37 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
11:04:39 AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
11:04:42 3015 WEST COLUMBUS DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
11:04:45 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
11:04:47 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, MEDICAL
11:04:50 OFFICE, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, TO PD PLANNED
11:04:54 DEVELOPMENT, BANK WITH DRIVE-IN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:04:55 DATE.
11:04:56 >> SECOND.
11:04:57 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:04:58 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:05:00 ROLL CALL PLEASE.
11:05:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:05:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:05:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:05:05 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:05:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
11:05:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:05:10 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:05:10 >> MOTION CARRIED.
11:05:12 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT WE MOVE ONWARD TO ITEM 51.
11:05:16 >> MICHAEL HORNER, 143502 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY, THE
11:05:27 REPRESENTING APPLICANT AND OWNER.
11:05:29 NO OBJECTIONS.
11:05:31 HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:05:32 THANK YOU.
11:05:33 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
11:05:35 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:05:36 IS ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 51?
11:05:40 >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:05:41 >> SECOND.
11:05:42 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:05:43 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:05:45 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:05:46 ANY OPPOSED?
11:05:47 CITY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:05:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING
11:05:52 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
11:05:54 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1318 WEST
11:06:00 LINEBAUGH AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
11:06:03 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:06:05 CLASSIFICATION RS 350 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO CN
11:06:08 COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:06:10 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:06:13 ROLL CALL.
11:06:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:06:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:06:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:06:18 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:06:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
11:06:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:06:22 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:06:22 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:06:28 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 52.
11:06:30 >> MICHAEL HORNER, TAMPA, REPRESENTING APPLICANT.
11:06:34 HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:06:36 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:06:38 OKAY.
11:06:38 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:06:39 ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 52?
11:06:44 MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:06:46 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
11:06:49 ANY OPPOSED?
11:06:49 COUNCILMAN CITRO, CAN YOU TAKE ITEM 52.
11:06:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:06:56 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
11:07:00 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 308 WEST JULIA STREET
11:07:05 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND DESCRIBED FROM ZONING
11:07:09 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 -- I'M SORRY.
11:07:16 I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF.
11:07:19 AGAIN, A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING REPRESENTED FOR
11:07:21 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
11:07:24 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2102 WEST WATERS
11:07:28 AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA DESCRIBED IN SECTION
11:07:32 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL
11:07:34 GENERAL TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, CI COMMERCIAL
11:07:39 INTENSIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:07:41 AGAIN, THE PETITIONER HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF, AND IT IS
11:07:46 CONSISTENT WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
11:07:48 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:07:50 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:07:52 ROLL CALL PLEASE.
11:07:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:07:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:07:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:07:57 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:07:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
11:07:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:08:01 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:08:02 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:08:16 >>LUIS VIERA: FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T HEAR, COUNCILMAN
11:08:19 CARLSON SAID YES, SI.
11:08:21 THAT'S GREAT.
11:08:22 THAT'S WHY WE ARE LAUGHING.
11:08:24 53 IF ANYONE IS HERE FOR 53.
11:08:27 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'M THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS
11:08:32 PETITION.
11:08:33 BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:08:35 WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
11:08:37 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:08:38 ANY QUESTIONS FOR 53?
11:08:42 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:08:43 ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 53?
11:08:45 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:08:47 MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:08:49 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:08:51 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:08:51 ANY OPPOSED?
11:08:52 OKAY.
11:08:53 NEXT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:08:54 IF YOU WOULD.
11:08:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE 19-90, SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE
11:09:01 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
11:09:03 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IT?
11:09:05 GENERAL VICINITY OF 3008 WEST JULIA STREET IN THE CITY OF
11:09:09 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
11:09:12 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS 630 RESIDENTIAL
11:09:16 SINGLE-FAMILY TO RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING
11:09:19 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:09:19 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:09:24 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:09:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:09:26 ANY OPPOSED?
11:09:29 SORRY.
11:09:29 ROLL CALL.
11:09:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:09:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:09:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:09:34 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:09:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:09:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:09:39 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:09:39 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:09:41 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:09:43 NEXT 54.
11:09:45 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
11:09:48 COORDINATION. THE APPLICATION FOR ITEM 534 INFORMED TO
11:09:51 ME THAT HE IS OUT OF THE TOWN SO I ASK THAT YOU PROCEED
11:09:53 WITH THE HEARING.
11:09:55 >>LUIS VIERA: IS ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON 54?
11:09:58 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:10:00 MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
11:10:02 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:10:04 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:10:05 ANY OPPOSED?
11:10:10 SENOR CARLSON.
11:10:12 [ LAUGHTER ]
11:10:13 >> MOVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND
11:10:15 READING AND ADOPTION, REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
11:10:18 VICINITY 3015 WEST SAN NICHOLAS STREET IN THE CITY OF
11:10:23 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
11:10:24 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS CG COMMERCIAL
11:10:28 GENERAL TO RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY PROVIDING AN
11:10:31 EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:10:31 >> SECOND.
11:10:33 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:10:35 THE SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:10:37 ROLL CALL.
11:10:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:10:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:10:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:10:41 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:10:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:10:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:10:45 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:10:45 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:10:51 >>LUIS VIERA: 55.
11:10:52 >> I AM ANNA NORTHFIELD HERE FOR MY SECOND READING IN
11:11:05 REGARD TO IF DAYCARE CENTER THAT I AM PROPOSING ZONING
11:11:09 FOR.
11:11:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:11:19 NO?
11:11:20 ALL RIGHT.
11:11:20 DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
11:11:22 ITEM NUMBER 535?
11:11:24 MOTION TO CLOSE BY FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:11:26 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:11:28 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:11:29 ALL RIGHT.
11:11:30 WE GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER IF YOU WOULD TAKE
11:11:33 55.
11:11:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO FILE SU 2-19-05, I MOVE
11:11:40 AN ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
11:11:43 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2 APPROVING
11:11:46 A DAYCARE IN AN RS 60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING
11:11:50 DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 10701 NORTH 14th
11:11:54 STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND AS MORE
11:11:56 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM SECTION 1 HEREOF PROVIDING AN
11:11:58 EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:11:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME, IS THIS THE ONE -- THE TYPO.
11:12:04 >> YES.
11:12:06 IT SHOULD BE 15th STREET.
11:12:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO THE CORRECT ADDRESS IS 10701 NORTH
11:12:11 15th STREET.
11:12:12 JUST SO --
11:12:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO AMEND THE
11:12:19 TYPO CORRECTION, 15th STREET, NOT 14TH STREET.
11:12:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A CORRECTED AMENDED MOTION,
11:12:28 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:12:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I TAKE IT THAT THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT IS
11:12:33 CORRECT.
11:12:33 >>THE CLERK: YES.
11:12:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AYE.
11:12:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:12:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:12:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
11:12:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:12:46 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:12:47 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE.
11:12:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 56.
11:12:54 >>BARBARA LYNCH: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:12:58 STAFF HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH THIS VACATING.
11:13:01 MY APPLICANT CANNOT BE HERE TODAY DUE TO WORK.
11:13:03 HE'S NOT ABLE TO TAKE OFF.
11:13:05 SO I WOULD STAND IN FOR HIM.
11:13:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL
11:13:09 MEMBERS?
11:13:12 ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 56?
11:13:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOW I MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:13:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WITH A MOTION
11:13:20 TO CLOSE SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:13:23 THAT CONCLUDES THAT PORTION.
11:13:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE NEED TO READ IT.
11:13:28 56.
11:13:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: VAC 19-IS IT.
11:13:36 AN ORDINANCE VACATING CLOSING CONTINUING ABANDONING A
11:13:39 CERTAIN PORTION OR ALLEYWAY RIGHT-OF-WAY LYING SOUTH OF
11:13:42 29th AVENUE NORTH OF 28th AVENUE EAST OF 34th
11:13:45 STREET AND WEST OF 35th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:13:47 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA THE SAME BEING MORE FULLY
11:13:51 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT
11:13:53 RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS MORE
11:13:57 PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
11:13:58 DATE.
11:13:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:14:01 GUDES.
11:14:02 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:14:04 ROLL CALL.
11:14:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:14:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:14:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:14:08 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:14:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
11:14:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:14:14 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:14:14 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:14:15 >> I APOLOGIZE.
11:14:19 I HAD TO RUN OUTSIDE.
11:14:21 I GOT A CALL FROM MY SON'S SCHOOL TELLING ME THAT HE WAS
11:14:24 ABSENT WHICH WAS QUITE A SURPRISE BECAUSE I DROPPED HIM
11:14:27 OFF THIS MORNING.
11:14:28 JUST MAKING SURE.
11:14:29 NEXT WE MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 57.
11:14:36 I MADE SURE HE WAS THERE.
11:14:39 I KNOW THAT NUMBER.
11:14:43 >>CATE WELLS: OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY ON ITEM 57.
11:14:45 I SUBMITTED A RESOLUTION ASKING THAT YOU RESCIND THE
11:14:48 PUBLIC HEARING FOR TODAY.
11:14:51 THE APPLICANT WAS UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE NOTICE
11:14:53 REQUIREMENTS FOR TODAY AND RATHER THAN RESCHEDULING IT
11:14:56 FOR A DATE IN THE FUTURE WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH
11:14:59 A RESOLUTION SETTING THE HEARING.
11:15:02 THEY ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
11:15:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE TO STRIKE?
11:15:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOVE THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE.
11:15:10 >>CATE WELLS: THAT'S WHAT I WAS INSTRUCTED TO DO BY THE
11:15:12 CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:15:14 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
11:15:15 TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
11:15:16 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:15:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:15:19 ANY OPPOSED?
11:15:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:15:22 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:15:22 NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM 58.
11:15:36 >>CATE WELLS: OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
11:15:38 THIS ITEM IS A REVIEW HEARING BASED UPON A ZONING
11:15:42 ADMINISTRATOR'S DETERMINATION.
11:15:44 I HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH AN OUTLINE OF THE HEARING
11:15:47 PROCEDURES FOR TODAY AS WELL AS THE STANDARD OF REVIEW
11:15:53 AND PROPOSED SAMPLE MOTION.
11:15:55 THESE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PETITIONER'S COUNSEL AS
11:16:00 WELL.
11:16:00 AS YOU WILL SEE, THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR TODAY IS
11:16:03 DE NOVO MEANING THAT YOU CAN TAKE NEW TESTIMONY, YOU CAN
11:16:06 ENTER NEW EVIDENCE, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AS IF YOU
11:16:10 ARE STANDING IN THE SHOES OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
11:16:12 AND THEN THE APPLICABLE CODE CRITERIA WILL BE FOUND IN
11:16:16 SECTION 27-60, SUBSECTION E-5.
11:16:22 I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:16:23 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:16:24 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:16:25 >> MELANIE CALLOWAY, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
11:16:36 I REVIEWED THIS PROPERTY AT 2111 WEST WATROUS AND
11:16:44 DESIGNED THEIR ACCESS TO THE ALLEY AS REQUESTED.
11:16:46 I WILL SHOW YOU HERE.
11:16:50 THEY ARE REQUESTING TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY APRON ACCESSING A
11:16:56 10-FOOT ALLEY WITH A 2.4-FOOT SETBACK.
11:17:01 THEY WERE PUTTING IN A DRIVEWAY APRON WITHOUT A PERMIT.
11:17:05 THEY WERE CITED.
11:17:06 AND THEY CAME IN FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW THE
11:17:09 GARAGE ACCESS TO THE REAR.
11:17:12 THEY ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO WATROUS
11:17:16 CURRENTLY EXISTING.
11:17:18 SO A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT.
11:17:23 I HAVE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR A WHILE. IN 2004 THERE WAS
11:17:27 AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND IN
11:17:30 2004 THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED A SECOND STORY AND I
11:17:32 REVIEWED THAT PROJECT IN 2004 WHEN I WAS A WE ENGINEER 2,
11:17:37 AND I OBJECTED TO ACCESS TO THE ALLEY DUE TO SITE
11:17:43 VISIBILITY AND IT'S NOT FAR ENOUGH FOR THE VEHICLE TO
11:17:45 ACTUALLY MAKE TURNS OR AND I WILL GO INTO THAT IN A
11:17:49 MINUTE.
11:17:49 THE ARC DID NOT APPROVE ACCESS TO THE ALLEY.
11:17:56 THERE ARE MOTION WAS SETBACKS BUT THEY DID NOT ASK FOR A
11:18:01 WAIVER AT THAT TIME TO ACCESS THE ALLEY.
11:18:03 AFTER THAT HEARING, DEL ACOSTA AND RON VILA DID NOT ASK
11:18:12 MY OPINION AND APPROVED GARAGE DOORS TO ACCESS.
11:18:16 I HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM, AND THEIR REASON FOR DOING THAT
11:18:20 WAS SO THE HOMEOWNER COULD TAKE MATERIALS IN AND OUT OF
11:18:25 THEIR GARAGE FROM THE ALLEY, NOT NECESSARILY TO PARK IN
11:18:28 IT.
11:18:28 THEY WERE NEVER APPROVED A DRIVEWAY APRON ACCESSING THE
11:18:32 ALLEY. THIS IS THEIR REAR ELEVATION.
11:18:34 THAT IS THEIR ELEVATION TOWARDS WATROUS.
11:18:37 THEY DO ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO WATROUS.
11:18:45 THIS VEHICLE HERE IS PASSENGER VEHICLE AT 15.5 FEET LONG,
11:18:51 PROBABLY ABOUT A BMW 3 SERIES.
11:18:54 MY TOYOTA CAMRY DOES NOT FIT IN THAT.
11:18:57 IT'S ACTUALLY 15.91, IT'S LONGER.
11:19:00 THERE'S ACTUALLY LARGER, VERY.
11:19:03 COUNCILMAN TRUCK IS PROBABLY EXCEEDING THAT AS WELL.
11:19:08 SO THERE'S TWO REASONS WHY THIS IS NOT VIABLE TO HAVE A
11:19:13 12-FOOT AREA FOR A VEHICLE TO MANEUVER.
11:19:15 NUMBER ONE IS A VEHICLE AT THIS SIZE 15.5 FEET NEEDS A
11:19:20 19.2 FEET TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT MANEUVER.
11:19:23 THE SECOND ISSUE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
11:19:26 THIS IS REASONS THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT TURN.
11:19:30 THE SECOND IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
11:19:32 THE VEHICLE FRONT END OF THE VEHICLE, HE CANNOT SEE IF HE
11:19:36 IS PULLING OUT OR BACKING UP INTO AN ALLEY, HE CAN'T SEE.
11:19:40 SITE VISIBILITY IS BLOCKED FOR THE FIRST 6 FEET.
11:19:43 THIS IS A 10-FOOT ALLEY.
11:19:45 USED BY THE SOLID WASTE VEHICLE, USED BY THE RECYCLING
11:19:49 SOLID WASTE VEHICLES, THERE'S VEHICLES UP AND DO YOU EVER
11:19:52 EVERY DAY, PEOPLE ON BICYCLES, THERE'S PEOPLE ON
11:19:55 SCATTERS.
11:19:55 IT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE EITHER
11:19:59 PULLING OUT OR BACKING OUT INTO THE ALLEY.
11:20:02 THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHICH I HAD OBJECTED.
11:20:07 THIS PLAN WAS THE ONE THEY SUBMITTED, 2016, THERE WAS NO
11:20:12 DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO THE ALLEY.
11:20:14 THIS IS THE PLAN THEY SUBMITTED.
11:20:19 ARC IN 2019, AND NO ACCESS TO THE ALLEY.
11:20:25 THEY ARE REQUESTING FENCING.
11:20:28 THIS IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
11:20:30 BRAND NEW STRUCTURE.
11:20:32 THEIR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS AT 14 FEET.
11:20:35 THEY HAVE VEHICULAR ACCESS BECAUSE THAT DOES MEET CODE.
11:20:40 I AM NOT GOING TO BORE YOU.
11:20:42 THE PETITIONER PUT IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER INSTANCES
11:20:44 ALL AROUND IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA WHICH GRANTED
11:20:51 VARIANCES DO BACKOUTS FOR GARAGES ENTRANCES.
11:20:54 THERE WAS NOT ONE THAT WAS EVER APPROVED AT 12.4 FEET.
11:20:58 OF THE WAS ALWAYS GREATER.
11:21:00 THERE WAS ONE INSTANCE AT 1819 WATROUS WHERE IT SAYS THEY
11:21:08 ALLOWED THAT TO OCCUR AT 32 INCHES.
11:21:12 I PULLED THE BUILDING PERMIT.
11:21:14 I OBJECTED.
11:21:14 I'M VERY CONSISTENT AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ALL MY MEMOS IF
11:21:18 YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON THOSE.
11:21:20 I AM VERY CONSISTENT ABOUT OBJECTING TO THESE FOR PUBLIC
11:21:22 SAFETY.
11:21:23 I PULLED THE BUILDING PERMIT.
11:21:25 THIS IS THE BUILDING PERMIT.
11:21:26 YOU SEE IT HAS BASTILLE RIGHT HERE.
11:21:30 THIS IS THE PROPERTY.
11:21:33 AND YOU CAN SEE HERE IT WAS BUILT AT 14.2 INCHES.
11:21:39 THEY HAD 14 FEET.
11:21:42 THEY DIDN'T GO EXACTLY 32 INCHES BUT THOUGH DID AT 14.2
11:21:46 BECAUSE THE 12.4 THIS PETITIONER IS REQUESTING.
11:21:51 THAT'S WHY.
11:21:53 I HAD DENIED THEIR REQUEST.
11:21:55 ANY QUESTIONS?
11:21:57 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:21:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FIRST FROM AN ETHICAL PERSPECTIVE,
11:22:01 MRS. CALLOWAY AND I ARE BOTH JUNIOR TECH HOKIES, AND I
11:22:09 SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT HER. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
11:22:12 BUT I'M ALSO A GATOR TOO FOR THE GATOR NATION OUT THERE.
11:22:17 MRS. CALLOWAY, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, DO YOU HAVE ANY
11:22:20 PHOTOGRAPHS SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF
11:22:22 WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT?
11:22:25 >> I DO NOT HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS.
11:22:27 MAYBE THE PETITIONER HAS.
11:22:30 I WILL BE HERE.
11:22:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO THIS STRANGE THING NOW
11:22:37 THAT YOU COULD BUILD OR HAS BUILT OR COULD BUILD GARAGE
11:22:40 DOORS TO THE ALLEY, HE CAN'T, UNLESS WE CAN GIVE
11:22:48 PERMISSION, YOU CAN GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO BUILD THE
11:22:50 APRON, THE CONCRETE APRON TO GET THERE.
11:22:55 BUT ARGUABLY, COULDN'T HE JUST LEAVE IT DIRT AND GO IN
11:22:59 AND OUT OF THERE WITHOUT ANYBODY'S PERMISSION?
11:23:05 >> NOT BY CODE.
11:23:06 HE WAS NEVER GRANTED THAT ACCESS.
11:23:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:23:09 BUT REALISTICALLY, IF HE PUT DIRT OR GRAVEL ON HIS OWN
11:23:13 YARD, CAME OUT OF HIS GARAGE TO THE REAR AND JUST DID
11:23:19 THAT, I MEAN, IS A COP GOING TO STAND THERE AND CITE HIM?
11:23:24 I MEAN, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A WEIRD SITUATION BECAUSE
11:23:27 YOU ARE SAYING THE ARC AND THOSE FOLKS SOMEHOW GAVE HIM
11:23:32 PERMISSION TO BUILD THESE DOORS, SO NOW HE'S GOT DOORS,
11:23:35 HE'S GOT POTENTIAL VEHICLE INSIDE, HE'S GOT AN ALLEY
11:23:39 THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING HIS OWN PROPERTY.
11:23:43 >> YES.
11:23:44 SO HE WAS TRYING TO PUT IN A DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A PERMIT IS
11:23:47 HOW IT ALL STARTED.
11:23:52 HE CAN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITHOUT A
11:23:54 PERMIT.
11:23:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOT IT.
11:23:56 >> BUT AS A PAVEMENT, HE STILL HAS PAVEMENT.
11:24:01 IT IS A 10-FOOT ALLEY BUT THE PAVEMENT IS ONLY 9.
11:24:05 SO HE STILL HAS A GAP.
11:24:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TYPICALLY THERE'S NO CURB THERE,
11:24:10 RIGHT?
11:24:10 THERE'S NO FENCE.
11:24:11 >> THERE'S NO FENCE.
11:24:14 LET ME GIVE YOU A FOR INSTANCE.
11:24:16 SO LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE AND YOU HAVE
11:24:18 A DRIVEWAY INTO YOUR PROPERTY ALREADY PAVED, CONCRETE.
11:24:23 BUT YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY, TOO.
11:24:26 YOU COULD DRIVE OVER THAT AND DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE.
11:24:29 YOU WOULD BE CITED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THAT IS
11:24:31 NOT A LEGAL PARKING SPACE.
11:24:34 BECAUSE YOU NEED A DRIVEWAY APRON BY CODE TO ACCESS YOUR
11:24:37 PARKING SPACES.
11:24:38 SAME THING WITH THIS ALLEY.
11:24:39 YOU NEED A DRIVEWAY APRON TO ACCESS THIS ALLEY LEGALLY.
11:24:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOT IT.
11:24:45 OKAY.
11:24:45 THANK YOU.
11:24:47 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:24:49 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST AN ETHICS QUESTION.
11:24:50 YOU SHOWED A LETTER SIGNED BY DEL ACOSTA.
11:24:53 IS THAT WHEN HE WAS WITH THE CITY?
11:24:55 >> YES.
11:24:58 HISTORIC PRESERVATION --
11:25:02 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WAS LIKE 15 YEARS AGO?
11:25:04 MARTY, I'M ON THAT BOARD NONPROFIT WITH DEL ACOSTA.
11:25:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE ISSUE BEFORE
11:25:10 YOU AND YOU HAVE NO FINANCIAL -- LET ME ASK YOU THIS JUST
11:25:13 FOR THE PURPOSE OF FINDING OUT WHETHER YOU CAN BE FAIR
11:25:17 AND IMPARTIAL.
11:25:18 IRRESPECTIVE OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DEL ACOSTA.
11:25:25 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:25:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:25:27 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
11:25:28 >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER
11:25:36 DEVIN BAILLAIGE.
11:25:42 HE HAS RESIDED AT THIS PROPERTY AT 2111 WEST WATROUS
11:25:47 AVENUE SINCE 1995.
11:25:49 THE PROPERTY IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 2100 BLOCK OF
11:25:51 WATROUS AND THERE'S AN ALLEY IN THE REAR.
11:25:54 THIS ALLEY IS LITTLE USED WITH FEW IF ANY VEHICLES
11:25:57 TRAVELING THE ENTIRE LENGTH BETWEEN JETTON STREET WHICH
11:26:01 IS THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT AND
11:26:04 ALBANY AVENUE TO THE EAST.
11:26:06 IN 2004 HE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR A
11:26:09 VARIANCE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BY
11:26:13 ADDING A SECOND STORY WHILE MAINTAINING THE SAME BUILDING
11:26:16 FOOTPRINT AND OTHER STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL
11:26:19 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 1950.
11:26:24 SO THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS DID SHOW GARAGE DOORS ON THE
11:26:27 ALLEY SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THE ARC APPROVAL.
11:26:41 SO I HAVE THE MEMO AS WELL WITH THE ALLEY.
11:26:49 AND ALSO THE ARC APPROVAL WHICH INDICATES THAT DEL ACOSTA
11:26:54 READ A MEMO FROM MELANIE CALLOWAY, TRANSPORTATION
11:26:57 DEPARTMENT, INTO THE RECORD AND THEN A COPY OF THE MEMO
11:26:59 WAS PLACED IN THE RECORD.
11:27:01 HOWEVER, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE I HIGHLIGHTED, THE ONLY
11:27:06 REFERENCES TO THE GARAGE WERE THAT THE GARAGE WILL NEVER
11:27:09 BE ENCLOSED, MEANING FOR LIVING PURPOSES, AND THE USE IS
11:27:14 FOR AUTOMOBILE STORAGE WHICH IN FACT IT HAS BEEN USED
11:27:16 THAT WAY SINCE THIS WAS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED.
11:27:19 ALSO, THERE IS A REFERENCE TO WOOD GARAGE DOORS AND
11:27:22 LIGHTING THAT WAS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF.
11:27:24 BUT THERE'S NO OTHER MENTION OF ANY OTHER LIMITATIONS ON
11:27:27 THE GARAGE, NO PROHIBITION ON VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE
11:27:31 REAR, NO PROHIBITION ON ACCESS TO THE ALLEYWAY THROUGH
11:27:35 THOSE REAR DOORS.
11:27:36 SO THERE WAS NO CONDITION PLACED NOT WITHSTANDING THE
11:27:39 FACT THAT THE MEMO WAS READ INTO THE RECORD AND INCLUDED
11:27:43 IN THE RECORD AT THE ARC.
11:27:46 SINCE COMPLETION OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN LATE
11:27:51 2006, MR. BAILLAIGE HAS IN FACT UTILIZED THOSE GARAGE
11:27:54 DOORS FOR 14 YEARS NOW WITHOUT INCIDENT, AND AS THEY WERE
11:28:00 INTENDED TO BE USED.
11:28:02 HE RECENTLY COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY
11:28:05 ADDITION TO THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE AND RELATED
11:28:08 IMPROVEMENTS TO HIS PROPERTY.
11:28:10 NOW, THIS ADDITION AND THE RELATED IMPROVEMENTS DO
11:28:12 CONSTRAIN ACCESS TO THE WESTERN-MOST FRONT GARAGE DOOR,
11:28:17 AND CONTINUED ACCESS THOSE REAR DOORS TO THE ALLEY IS
11:28:21 PARAMOUNT.
11:28:23 THIS WAS DESIGNED, HIS SECOND STORY ADDITION AND THE
11:28:27 RECENT IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE COMPLETED ABOUT NINE MONTHS
11:28:30 AGO, WERE DESIGNED AND ACCEPTED 14 YEARS AFTER THE
11:28:35 ORIGINAL APPROVAL, AND IN FACT, WELL, WHEN HE THOUGHT HE
11:28:41 HAD FULL ACCESS TO THAT REAR ACCESS TOTE GARAGE.
11:28:44 SO SOMETIME IN DECEMBER OF 2018, HE WAS ADVISED THROUGH A
11:28:49 NOTICE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION THAT HE WAS NOT
11:28:53 PERMITTED TO USE THOSE REAR ALLEY, REAR GARAGE DOORS TO
11:28:56 THE ALLEY.
11:28:58 AND AS I WAS LAG THROUGH THE RECORD ON HIS PROPERTY
11:29:02 YESTERDAY THROUGH THE TAMPA GOVERNMENT WEBSITE, IN
11:29:07 DECEMBER OF 21st OF 2018 THERE'S NOW A CONDITION
11:29:11 THAT'S NOTED THAT WAS ADDED IN DECEMBER 21st OF 2018,
11:29:16 14 YEARS LATER, THAT PROHIBITS REAR ACCESS TO THE ALLEY
11:29:22 THROUGH THOSE GARAGE DOORS.
11:29:23 SO SETTING ASIDE THE DUE PROCESS I SHALL ISSUES THAT ARE
11:29:29 OBVIOUS WITH THAT IMPOSING A CONDITION 14 YEARS LATER AND
11:29:33 RETROACTIVELY APPLYING PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW
11:29:36 YOU WHAT WAS REFERENCED.
11:29:38 NOW THIS IS A VERY COMMON SITUATION FROM THIS
11:29:40 NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:29:41 THESE ARE ALL PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN WITHIN THE HYDE
11:29:45 PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, WITHIN MR. BAILLAIGER IMMEDIATE
11:29:50 NEIGHBORHOOD, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF
11:29:52 SWANN, ROME, BAYSHORE, HOWARD, AND THE SELL MAN
11:29:58 EXPRESSWAY SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
11:30:02 YOU CAN SHOW REAR GARAGE DOORS ON THE ALLEY.
11:30:05 SOME OF THEM HAVE FENCES AS WELL.
11:30:24 THIS IS A VERY COMMON SITUATION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:30:35 THIS IS THE ADDRESS THAT MRS. CALLOWAY REFERRED TO, 1819
11:30:43 WEST WATROUS.
11:30:44 THIS IS THEIR REAR GARAGE ACCESS.
11:30:48 THIS IS SIMILARLY AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT
11:30:56 HAD THE ALLEY ACCESS THAT WAS REMODELED.
11:31:01 SO WE HAVE APPLIED FOR, IN CASE WE WERE ADVISED THAT ALL
11:31:06 OF A SUDDEN 14 YEARS LATER AGAIN WE COULDN'T USE THIS
11:31:09 REAR ACCESS TO APPLY FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION, WHICH WAS
11:31:13 THEN DENIED.
11:31:14 AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION FOR DESIGN
11:31:17 EXCEPTION COMPLIES WITH THE CRITERIA IN THAT THIS REQUEST
11:31:22 DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE RATES OF OTHERS AS PROVIDED
11:31:25 IN CHAPTER 27 AND IS NOT A INJURIOUS TO THE PUBLIC
11:31:28 HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.
11:31:29 IN FACT, THIS REQUEST IS VERY COMMON SITUATION IN THE
11:31:33 NEIGHBORHOOD AS EVIDENCED BY THE PHOTOS THAT I JUST
11:31:36 SHOWED YOU AND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WILL ALLOW MR.
11:31:39 BAILLAIGE THE SAME RIGHTS AS OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE
11:31:41 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:31:43 THE EXCEPTION WILL PROVIDE A REASONABLE ALLOWANCE OF USE,
11:31:46 IN FACT HIS CONTINUED USE FOR USE THAT HE'S HAD FOR THE
11:31:49 LAST 14 YEARS.
11:31:50 AGAIN WITHOUT INCIDENT.
11:31:53 AND ALLOWS HIM TO FULLY UTILIZE THE GARAGE AS INTENDED.
11:31:58 IT ACHIEVES THE GENERAL INTENT OF CHAPTER 27 IN THE
11:32:01 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
11:32:02 IT'S THE MINIMUM POSSIBLE EXCEPTION IN LIGHT OF THE FACT
11:32:04 THAT THE ACCESSORY GARAGE WAS ACTUALLY BUILT WITHIN THE
11:32:07 FOOTPRINT AND ACTUALLY UTILIZING SOME OF THE ORIGINAL
11:32:10 STRUCTURE FROM SIXTY YEARS AGO.
11:32:14 AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PLANS IN PLACE FOR
11:32:16 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
11:32:18 SO IN LIGHT OF ALL THOSE, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE
11:32:22 THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION.
11:32:23 I DO HAVE SEVERAL LETTERS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT
11:32:26 INTO THE RECORD FROM NEIGHBORS.
11:32:30 I WILL SHOW YOU JUST ONE.
11:32:32 THESE ARE ALL IN SUPPORT.
11:32:34 ONE NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY WENT AND TOOK ADDITIONAL PICTURES.
11:32:44 AGAIN SHOWING HOW COMMON THIS IS.
11:32:50 THE GARAGE, FENCING ADJACENT TO IT, ACCESSING THE ALLEY.
11:32:56 SO I HAVE LETTERS FROM JAMES COUCAS, FROM JAMES
11:33:05 BLACKWOOD, FROM BILL PUSMIC AND ALSO ELIZABETH ROACH, WHO
11:33:17 LIVES DIRECTLY BEHIND MR. BAILLAIGE AND IS IN FAVOR OF
11:33:20 THE APPLICATION AND ASKS FOR YOUR FAVORABLE
11:33:23 CONSIDERATION.
11:33:24 MR. BAILLAIGE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND PRESENT TO YOU,
11:33:30 AND I WOULD LIKE TO --
11:33:37 >> DEVIN BAILLAIGE, 2111 WATROUS AVENUE.
11:33:51 LIKE COUNSEL SAID I HAVE LIVED THERE 25 YEARS.
11:33:54 I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU KIND OF SCHEMATIC SINCE I
11:33:57 LIVED THERE SO LONG I KNOW THE PHOTOGRAPHIC PATTERNS IN
11:33:59 THE ALLEYWAY AND THIS SCHEMATIC BASICALLY KIND OF SHOWS
11:34:02 YOU AND IS CODED TO SHOW KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE
11:34:05 ALLEYWAY.
11:34:06 TO ORIENT YOU, WATROUS AVENUE IS ON THE SOUTH.
11:34:13 WATROUS AVENUE DOWN HERE.
11:34:15 JETTON TO THE NORTH.
11:34:16 ALBANY TO THE EAST.
11:34:18 I'M SORRY, JETTON TO THE WEST AND ALBANY TO THE EAST.
11:34:21 ALLEYWAY IN THE MIDDLE.
11:34:22 MY HOUSE IS THE BRIGHTLY COLORED YELLOW HOUSE IN THE
11:34:24 MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK.
11:34:26 SO THE THREE PARCELS WITH GREEN OUTLINE ON THEM TYPICALLY
11:34:31 USE ONE END OF THE ALLEYWAY TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTIES
11:34:35 FROM THE REAR AND ONLY THAT SIDE.
11:34:38 WE TYPICALLY DO NOT USE THE WHOLE ALLEYWAY.
11:34:41 THE ONE ON TOP IS A VACANT LOT.
11:34:44 I PRESUME THEY WERE APPROVED TO BUILD A GARAGE IN THE
11:34:47 BACK SO IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
11:34:49 THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN YELLOW DO NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS
11:34:52 AT ALL, AS THEIR PROPERTIES ARE FENCED.
11:34:56 THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN PURPLE DO HAVE A SLAB THAT ARE
11:35:01 NOT TYPICALLY USED REGULARLY FOR VEHICULAR TRAFFIC OR
11:35:06 ACCESS ON THE ALLEYWAY.
11:35:08 THIS ONE HAS AN RV BACK THERE.
11:35:11 THIS ONE HAS A SLAB THAT IS NOT USED BY A VEHICLE. THIS
11:35:14 ONE HAS A GARAGE WITH A GARAGE DOOR THAT IS NOT -- SHE
11:35:18 PARKS IN THE FRONT.
11:35:20 THE PROPERTIES OUTLINED IN PINK ARE THE ONLY ONES TO MY
11:35:24 KNOWLEDGE THAT USE THE ENTIRE WAY OF THE ALLEY.
11:35:27 THIS ONE, A 1900 JETTON, 2105 AND 2109.
11:35:35 2109 SINGLE-FAMILY MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
11:35:37 THEY ARE BUILDING A GARAGE, TRANSPORTATION MELANIE TALKED
11:35:42 ABOUT, AND I PRESUME THEY WILL BE USING THE ENTIRE
11:35:44 ALLEYWAY.
11:35:45 THERE ARE ONLY THREE THAT REGULARLY USE IT IN ADDITION TO
11:35:48 TWO GARBAGE TRUCKS, A GARBAGE TRUCK TWICE A WEEK AND
11:35:52 RECYCLING TRUCK ONCE A WEEK.
11:35:54 THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC ON THE ALLEYWAY.
11:35:56 I HAVE BEEN USING IT FOR 14 YEARS WITHOUT ANY INCIDENT.
11:35:58 I'M HAPPY TO PUT UP MIRRORS IF IT HELPS THE SAFETY,
11:36:03 ALLEVIATE THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
11:36:05 AS FAR AS THE RIBBON GOES, I AM HAPPY TO GET A PERMIT FOR
11:36:12 THE RIBBON TO USE IT AND I WILL DO THAT IF COUNCIL
11:36:15 APPROVES THIS REQUEST.
11:36:18 1819 WATROUS, THAT PROPERTY IS FAIRLY IDENTICAL TO MINE.
11:36:22 THEY ASKED TO PUT A TWO-DOOR GARAGE DOOR BACK THERE IN
11:36:27 2007, WHICH IS AROUND THE SAME TIME PERIOD I BEGAN THIS
11:36:31 PROCESS.
11:36:32 THE ALLEYWAY IS VERY IDENTICAL TO MINE.
11:36:36 I HAVE HERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW, THIS IS THE ARC
11:36:41 APPROVAL FOR THAT PROPERTY.
11:36:43 AND IT STATES HERE SPECIFICALLY, REDUCE -- IT'S HARD TO
11:36:49 READ BECAUSE THE ARC STAMP IS ON IT.
11:36:52 REDUCE REQUIREMENT OF REAR GARAGE SETBACK FROM PROPERTY
11:36:55 LINE, ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL, VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM TEN
11:36:58 FOOT TO 32 INCHES.
11:37:02 I MEASURED MAIN.
11:37:03 MY GARAGE DOOR IS 35 INCHES FROM MY PROPERTY LINE.
11:37:07 THEY PUT A RIBBON IN THERE AS WELL.
11:37:10 THIS IS THE ARC'S APPROVAL OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL,
11:37:20 ALLOWING BASICALLY WHAT I AM ASKING FOR.
11:37:22 SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE CITY CODES BE
11:37:25 APPLIED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS ALL PROPERTY LINES, IN
11:37:28 ADDITION ALL DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE
11:37:30 OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS I TOOK THAT COUNSEL PRESENTED TO YOU.
11:37:35 AGAIN, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT I NEEDED AN ADMINISTRATOR
11:37:39 APPEAL.
11:37:40 I WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR ONE HAD I KNOWN THIS.
11:37:43 THIS WAS A SURPRISE WHEN TRANSPORTATION READ A LETTER
11:37:46 INTO THE RECORD AT THE HEARING.
11:37:48 ARC DID NOT DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE WOULD BE A
11:37:50 PROBLEM WITH VEHICULAR ACCESS AT THE TIME.
11:37:52 AND THAT 14 YEARS LATER I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS
11:37:56 AND TRY TO GET IT FROM CITY COUNCIL.
11:37:58 THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
11:37:59 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:38:07 >> WE RESERVE THE REMAINDER OF OUR TIME BUT I WOULD LIKE
11:38:12 TO ALSO ADMIT INTO THE RECORD THE MAP THAT MR. BAILLAIGE
11:38:16 SHOWED YOU AND ALSO THE APPROVAL THAT HE SHOWED YOU FOR
11:38:18 THAT 1819 WATROUS.
11:38:20 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:38:27 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:38:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST AS A MATTER OF DISCLOSURE,
11:38:31 ATTORNEY JOHNSON VELEZ AND I USED TO GO BACK AND WORKED
11:38:40 TOGETHER 20 YEARS AGO.
11:38:41 I HAVE NO BIAS IN THAT EITHER.
11:38:43 I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SUSAN.
11:38:46 YOU ALL AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, YOU HAD TO POST, I
11:38:49 THINK, POST OR NOTICE THE NEIGHBORS.
11:38:52 DID YOU RECEIVE ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS?
11:38:54 >> I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS.
11:38:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND YOUR CLIENT?
11:38:59 >> DID YOU RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS?
11:39:02 >> NOT NEGATIVE, NO.
11:39:03 >> NOT NEGATIVE.
11:39:04 >>: IN REGARD TO THE DOCUMENT REFERENCED THAT HAD YOU
11:39:07 PUT UP, DEL ACOSTA'S DOCUMENT, AND HE REFERENCED MS.
11:39:11 CALLOWAY'S DOCUMENT, DID THAT DOCUMENT MAKE IT INTO ANY
11:39:15 OF THE FILES?
11:39:16 DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE ALLEGED MS. CALLOWAY'S DOCUMENT?
11:39:20 >> IT SAYS IN THERE THAT MEMO WAS READ INTO THE RECORD
11:39:22 AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ARC RECORD.
11:39:26 BUT THEY DIDN'T IMPOSE ANY CONDITIONS PRECLUDING -- NOT
11:39:30 WITHSTANDING --
11:39:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IS THE IMPLICATION, ARE YOU SAYING
11:39:35 THAT MS. CALLOWAY HAD APPROVED IT BACK THEN?
11:39:39 OR SHE OBJECTED TO IT BACK THEN?
11:39:41 >> I'M ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SHE OBJECTED TO IT.
11:39:43 IT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD, THAT ARC, NOT WITHSTANDING
11:39:47 HER MEMO, DID NOT IMPOSE ANY CONDITIONS THAT PROHIBITED
11:39:50 OR LIMITED VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THAT REAR ALLEY.
11:39:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANKS FOR THAT.
11:39:54 I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED.
11:39:56 THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
11:39:57 THEN FINALLY, IF I WAS IN THIS SITUATION, MAYBE THIS IS
11:40:05 PERSONAL AND I SHOULDN'T GO THERE, BUT IF ANYBODY, A SAFE
11:40:08 DRIVER WAS IN THIS SITUATION, WOULDN'T ONE PERHAPS BACK
11:40:12 IN TO THEIR GARAGE?
11:40:14 AND I GUESS I WAS JUST WONDERING IF PERHAPS ANECDOTALLY
11:40:18 DOES YOUR CLIENT EVER BACK IN FROM THE ALLEY?
11:40:21 THAT WAY YOU CAN COME OUT FORWARD AND IT'S SAFER COMING
11:40:23 OUT FORWARD?
11:40:25 ONE OF MS. CALLOWAY'S CONCERNS WAS IF YOU ARE BACKING OUT
11:40:28 OF THE GARAGE INTO THE ALLEY, YOUR VISIBILITY IS NOT AS
11:40:31 GOOD IN TERMS OF WHAT'S COME IN THE ALLEY.
11:40:33 >> DEVIN BAILLAIGE, AGAIN I USED THERE DOOR FOR A LONG
11:40:41 TIME.
11:40:41 AND IT SOUNDS VERY SIMPLE.
11:40:42 BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC EVERY TIME WHEN I LEAVE THE
11:40:45 GARAGE AND I EXIT INTO THE ALLEYWAY, I SIMPLY GO OUT TO
11:40:49 THE ALLEYWAY AND MAKE SURE THERE ARE IN A VEHICLES.
11:40:51 IT'S NOT A TRAFFIC ALLEYWAY.
11:40:53 THEN I GET IN MY CAR AND I GO.
11:40:55 IT'S REALLY NOT A TRAFFIC ALLEYWAY SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN
11:40:58 A CONCERN AND IT HAPPENS ALL OVER HYDE PARK.
11:41:00 I DO HAVE ACCESS.
11:41:05 I USE BOTH.
11:41:07 THE DESIGN WAS MADE FOR THE USE OF THOSE GARAGE DOORS.
11:41:10 AND USE WAS IMPLIED AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED.
11:41:13 IT WAS NEVER DENIED BY ANYBODY THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE
11:41:15 PROCESS.
11:41:16 AND THAT'S REALLY THE PROBLEM HERE I GUESS.
11:41:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
11:41:19 MY LAST QUESTION IS LEGAL COUNSEL, WHOEVER IS ADVISING US
11:41:24 TODAY AS WELL:
11:41:29 THE WORD ESTOPPEL JUMPS OUT AT ME ON THIS ONE GOING BACK
11:41:33 TO OUR LAW SCHOOL DAYS.
11:41:35 ESTOPPEL -- WELL, YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT.
11:41:39 BUT IT CONCERNS ME THAT WE HAVE ONE ARM OF THE, OF THIS
11:41:45 CITY GOVERNMENT DOING AND SAYING AND APPROVING ONE THING
11:41:48 AND THEN FOR VERY GOOD JUSTIFICATION MS. CALLOWAY IS
11:41:54 ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT OUR SAFETY HAS ANOTHER OPINION, 14
11:41:58 YEARS LATER.
11:41:59 I MEAN, AT THE TIME, AND SHE'S CONSISTENT FOR 14 YEARS.
11:42:03 SO ESTOPPEL?
11:42:06 AND PERHAPS EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL.
11:42:07 >> BUT THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER THE CITY WOULD BE HE
11:42:12 IS STOPPED FROM TAKING ACTION NOW BASED UPON THE ARC'S
11:42:16 APPROVAL BACK IN 2004.
11:42:21 >>CATE WELLS: THAT I SHALL YOU HAVE REALLY ISN'T BEFORE
11:42:22 US AT THE MOMENT.
11:42:23 WHAT I WOULD ASK THIS COUNCIL TO DO IS LOOK AT THE
11:42:25 APPLICATION THAT IS BEFORE YOU, AND THAT'S AN APPLICATION
11:42:28 FOR DESIGN REVIEW.
11:42:29 TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE HEARD CONSISTS OF MS. CALLOWAY'S
11:42:34 CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, AND
11:42:37 MUCH THE TRIANGLE VISIBILITY ISSUE THAT IS PRESENTED IN
11:42:41 THIS SITUATION.
11:42:42 ON THE OTHER HAND, ALSO HEARD TESTIMONY AND SEEN EVIDENCE
11:42:45 WITH REGARD TO THE PATTERN IN HYDE PARK HISTORIC
11:42:49 DISTRICT, AND I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE PATTERN THAT
11:42:51 THE ARC WAS RESPECTING AT THE TIME THEY TOOK ACTION
11:42:57 INITIALLY.
11:42:58 SO THIS COUNCIL SITTING AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, YOU
11:43:03 GET TO CONSIDER ALL THE EVIDENCE BEFORE YOU, COMPETENT,
11:43:08 SUBSTANTIAL AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO
11:43:10 ACCEPT THE DESIGN EXCEPTION APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED
11:43:12 WITH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, OR TO DENY IT.
11:43:17 THANK YOU.
11:43:18 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
11:43:19 OKAY.
11:43:20 IS ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 58?
11:43:24 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
11:43:29 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:43:36 >> MY NAME IS JUNE ARBIA, 2113 WATROUS AVENUE.
11:43:45 I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 60 YEARS.
11:43:48 I'M OPPOSED TO GRANTING A DESIGN CHANGE TO MY NEXT DOOR
11:43:53 NEIGHBOR AT 2111 WATROUS AVENUE, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IT'S
11:43:56 GOING TO CREATE A SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE FOR ANYONE
11:44:00 WHO USES.
11:44:04 THIS ALLEY.
11:44:08 THE ALLEY BEHIND 2111 WATROUS IS THE ONLY ALLEY IN HYDE
11:44:15 PARK THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAS TWO 10 MILES PER HOUR SIGNS
11:44:21 POSTED AT EACH END OF THE ALLEY DUE TO HIGH TRAFFIC USE.
11:44:27 I HEARD IT STATED THAT IT WASN'T A WELL-USED ALLEY.
11:44:30 IT IS.
11:44:31 AND HERE IS THE SIGN THAT HAS BEEN POSTED.
11:44:37 SPECIFIC INFORMATION CONCERNING THE RENTING OF THIS REAR
11:44:40 DWELLING AS IT IS EXTREMELY RELEVANT TO THIS
11:44:44 PRESENTATION.
11:44:46 THE PETITIONER IS PROHIBITED FROM RENTING THE REAR
11:44:50 DWELLING, AND IN AUGUST 2014 THE PETITIONER WAS CRATED
11:44:55 FOR RENTING THE REAR UPSTAIRS DWELLING.
11:45:00 CONSEQUENTLY, IN FEBRUARY 2015, THE PETITIONER'S
11:45:04 ATTORNEY, SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ, APPEALED THE DECISION OF
11:45:07 THE CITY ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
11:45:11 THE APPEAL WAS DENIED.
11:45:14 AND BY A HEARING OFFICER, STEVEN PIPER --
11:45:17 >> I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN OBJECTION.
11:45:19 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I THINK THE TIME FOR THAT WOULD
11:45:22 PROBABLY BE REBUTTAL.
11:45:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST AS A POINT OF
11:45:26 ORDER.
11:45:27 MY ONLY CONCERN SEVEN, IT'S INTERESTING WHAT THE YOUNG
11:45:31 LADY IS POINTING OUT, BUT MY CONCERN IS TAINTING THE
11:45:34 RECORD.
11:45:34 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COUNSEL, EITHER MR.
11:45:38 SHELBY OR MS. WELLS, IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS SORT OF
11:45:41 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
11:45:43 THIS WASN'T -- THE TRIANGLE THAT MRS. WELLS WAS REFERRING
11:45:49 TO.
11:45:49 I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS A POINT OF ORDER THAT WE DON'T
11:45:53 TAINT THE RECORD.
11:45:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I DON'T
11:45:56 PROFESS TO BE AN ATTORNEY OR JUDGE BUT JUST:SENSE.
11:45:59 ALL OF THEM HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE AND ATTORNEYS
11:46:02 CERTAINLY HAVE MORE THAN WE DO.
11:46:03 BUT WHEN YOU CAN GO UP THERE FOR THREE MINUTES AND SAY
11:46:06 WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG OR
11:46:08 WHETHER THE RECORD TAINTING IT OR NOT, WE ONLY HAVE TO
11:46:12 LISTEN TO WHAT THE PETITIONER APPLIED FOR.
11:46:15 NOT TRAFFIC ON THE ALLEY.
11:46:21 NONE OF THIS RENTAL OF THE PROPERTY.
11:46:23 BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO OBJECT AND SAY IT, SO BE IT.
11:46:25 I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT ANYBODY IS GOING TO SAY.
11:46:29 WITH OR AGAINST THIS THING.
11:46:30 SO I CAN ONLY APPLY WHAT THE LAW TELLS ME WITHIN THIS
11:46:36 HEARING, BUT THE PETITIONER -- NOT THE PETITIONER BUT
11:46:40 THOSE WHO OBJECT CAN SAY ANYTHING THEY WANT.
11:46:42 THEY GOT THREE MINUTES.
11:46:44 THAT'S JUST MY FEELING. THIS IS AMERICA, UP TO NOW.
11:46:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, MS. WELLS CAN ADD TO IT.
11:46:53 BUT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S AN OBJECTION AS A CONCERN, THE
11:46:56 OPPORTUNITY IS FOR REBUTTAL. THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL.
11:47:01 WE DON'T ADHERE TO STRICTLY THE LAWS OF EVIDENCE WITH
11:47:04 REGARD TO THAT.
11:47:05 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS RIGHT ON POINT WITH THE
11:47:08 ADVISORY THAT WE WOULD GIVE TO THIS BOARD, AND OBVIOUSLY
11:47:11 AS MR. MIRANDA CLEARLY STATED ON THE RECORD, THE BOARD IS
11:47:14 WELL AWARE OF ITS RESPONSIBILITIES RELATIVE TO THE
11:47:16 EVIDENCE.
11:47:19 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
11:47:19 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:47:21 YOU MAY.
11:47:22 GO AHEAD.
11:47:22 >> AS STEVEN RECOMMENDED HE STATED IF CONCLUSION IS
11:47:29 INESCAPABLE THAT THE PETITIONER'S TO HIDE HIS CONTENTION
11:47:33 TO CONTINUOUS OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS A SEPARATE
11:47:36 DWELLING UNIT WHEN HE SUBMITTED PLANS TO THE CITY IN 2004
11:47:41 AND 2005, AND ON MAY 21st, 2015, THE CITY COUNCIL
11:47:46 UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE HEARING OFFICER'S DECISION.
11:47:50 AGAIN, IN AUGUST 2019, PETITIONER DEVIN BAILLAIGE WAS
11:47:57 CITED AGAIN FOR REPRESENTING REAR UPSTAIRS DWELLING.
11:48:00 THE PETITIONER AS HE HAS DONE BEFORE HAS EVERY INTENTION
11:48:03 TO CONTINUE RENTING THE REAR DWELLING.
11:48:06 THIS IS THE REASON THAT HE HAS DECIDED TO REQUEST THIS
11:48:13 DESIGN CHANGE.
11:48:16 FOR THE PAST 13 YEARS HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO USE THIS
11:48:19 EXISTING DRIVEWAY FROM WATROUS AVENUE TO PARK HIS
11:48:22 VEHICLES IN THE DOWNSTAIRS GARAGE.
11:48:25 NOW, WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO IS HE HAS FOUND OUT NOW THAT
11:48:35 WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO AFTER 13 YEARS IS THAT HE NEEDS TO
11:48:39 FREE THIS UP SO THAT HE CAN HAVE HIS RENTERS PARK THERE.
11:48:42 BY PARKING THERE, THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE PETITIONER TO
11:48:45 USE THE ALLEY TO ENTER THE REAR DWELLING TO PARK HIS
11:48:49 VEHICLES.
11:48:50 HE WAITED 13 YEARS, AND NOW HE'S ASKING FOR DESIGN
11:48:55 CHANGE.
11:48:55 HE HAS NOT USED THAT REAR ACCESS FOR ENTERING AND EXITING
11:49:00 THIS WHOLE TIME.
11:49:03 I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER PHOTOS THAT MAY HELP YOU UNDERSTAND.
11:49:05 [BELL SOUNDS]
11:49:06 >>LUIS VIERA: AND MA'AM, YOUR TIME IS UP, UNFORTUNATELY.
11:49:08 >> AND MY HUSBAND IS GOING TO SHOW THEM TO YOU NOW.
11:49:12 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
11:49:14 >>LUIS VIERA: WE APPRECIATE IT, MA'AM.
11:49:15 NEXT, PLEASE.
11:49:16 >> DENNIS ROBATTO, 2113 WATROUS AVENUE, BEEN THERE FIFTY
11:49:28 YEARS.
11:49:29 RIGHT NOW AS THE PHOTO SHOWS, RIGHT KNOW NOW WHAT YOU ARE
11:49:32 LOOKING AT, HE HAS BEEN COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT GARAGE
11:49:34 FOR 13 YEARS, JUST AS YOU SEE IT.
11:49:38 AS WE SPEAK TODAY, THAT'S A RECENT PHOTO.
11:49:42 THE ONLY REASON HE'S ASKED FOR DESIGN CHANGE IS BECAUSE
11:49:46 HE'S RENTING, NOT ONCE BUT TWICE.
11:49:50 HE'S A REGISTERED REAL ESTATE AGENT.
11:49:52 KNOWS BETTER. HE'S RENTED TWICE AND BEEN CITED TWICE BY
11:49:55 THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:49:56 HE'S BEEN REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE STOVE OUT OF THERE, IS
11:50:00 REQUIRED TO MOVE THE MICROWAVE, ALL COOKING APPLIANCES
11:50:03 TWICE AND HE KEEPS DOING IT.
11:50:05 THE ONLY REASON HE WANTS TO USE THIS DESIGN CHANGE IS
11:50:08 BECAUSE JUST LAKE MY WIFE SAID, IF HE RENTS, AGAIN, WHICH
11:50:15 I AM SURE HE'S GOING TO DO IT, THEY CAN'T COME IN AND OUT
11:50:21 OF HIS GARAGE SO HE WANTS TO COME OUT OF THE BACK.
11:50:24 NOW, I WANT TO SHOW YOU, IT'S ALREADY BEEN STATED THAT HE
11:50:29 DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PERMIT.
11:50:33 WELL, HE CUT THE ALLEY.
11:50:36 THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
11:50:39 THIS IS A PICTURE OF HIS VEHICLE.
11:50:41 AS MS. CALLOWAY HAS BEEN CONSISTENT SINCE 2004.
11:50:45 SHE STATED BACK IN 2004, BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED THERE AND I
11:50:49 FOLLOWED THIS WHOLE THING.
11:50:51 HE CAN'T COME OUT OF THAT GARAGE WITHOUT POSING A SERIOUS
11:50:58 PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN WITH PEOPLE THAT USE THIS ALLEY.
11:51:01 THIS ALLEY IS USED WAY MORE THAN HE'S SAYING.
11:51:05 THIS ALLEY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ALLEYS PAVED BY THE CITY
11:51:08 OF TAMPA, BACK IN THE SIXTIES WHEN WE MOVED THERE.
11:51:15 YOU CAN SEE TAMPA'S ONE OF HARDEST WORKING DENTS.
11:51:21 LOOK AT THAT SOLID WASTE WORKER.
11:51:25 THAT'S AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.
11:51:28 I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
11:51:29 I AM NOT GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:51:33 I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GET HURT.
11:51:36 HE'S LITERALLY WALKING ON HIS PROPERTY.
11:51:38 THAT'S HOW TIGHT IT IS.
11:51:45 I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS THERE.
11:51:47 IT'S SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALKING.
11:51:50 I ASSUME THAT'S A DAD WITH HIS DOG.
11:51:54 AND A CHILD ON A SCOOTER.
11:51:56 I TRIED TO GET PICTURES OF THE PEOPLE THAT GO UP AND DOWN
11:51:59 THE ALLEY ON ELECTRIC SCOOTERS.
11:52:01 THEY ARE WAY TOO FAST FOR ME.
11:52:03 HERE IS A TRUCK.
11:52:06 YOU SEE THE BLACK LINE?
11:52:09 TO THE RIGHT OF THAT BLACK LINE IS CITY PROPERTY.
11:52:12 TO THE LEFT OF THAT BLACK LINE IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
11:52:15 THAT'S HOW TIGHT IT IS.
11:52:17 THERE'S ANOTHER TRUCK.
11:52:20 IF HE PUT, SAY --
11:52:23 [BELL SOUNDS]
11:52:24 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:52:24 >> HE WOULD HAVE HAD IT CRUSHED.
11:52:26 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:52:27 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:52:28 OKAY.
11:52:29 REBUTTAL.
11:52:30 AND IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO COMMENT ON 58?
11:52:35 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:52:35 >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ.
11:52:40 I GUESS NOW IS MY TIME TO OBJECT TO ANY EVIDENCE OF WHAT
11:52:44 HAPPENED FIVE YEARS AGO, AND WITH RESPECT TO RENTING, IT
11:52:50 HAS NO BEARINGS ON THE DESIGN EXCEPTION MATTERS BEFORE
11:52:53 YOU TODAY.
11:52:54 I WOULD JUST REITERATE AGAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE
11:52:58 MOTIVATION FOR SEEKING THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS THE CODE
11:53:01 ENFORCEMENT NOTICE THAT WE RECEIVED 14 YEARS AFTER,
11:53:04 HAVING USED THIS REAR ACCESS, AND AGAIN THE CONSTRUCTION
11:53:09 PLANS AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT TOOK PLACE TO EXPAND THE
11:53:12 EXISTING HOME, THAT WAS ALL DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED WITH
11:53:18 CONTINUED ALLEY ACCESS IN MIND.
11:53:22 AND THAT WAS THE SOLE REASON.
11:53:24 WERE NOT FOR THAT CODE VIOLATION WOULDN'T EVEN BE AWARE
11:53:27 THAT THERE WAS AN ASSERTION THAT WE WERE DENIED THAT
11:53:30 ALLEY ACCESS BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE ARC
11:53:36 THAT LIMITED OR PRECLUDED ACCESS THROUGH THOSE REAR
11:53:39 DOORS.
11:53:39 AND AS MS. WELLS NOTED IT APPEARS CONSISTENT THAT THE ARC
11:53:44 DOES RESPECT THAT PATTERN WITHIN HISTORIC HYDE PARK, AND
11:53:51 PROPERTIES INCLUDING MR. AND MS. RIBATTO WHOSE PROPERTY
11:53:56 HAS ACCESS FOR VEHICLES AS WELL.
11:53:58 SO WITH THAT, I BELIEVE WE SUBMITTED ALL THE INFORMATION
11:54:01 FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WE WOULD REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL
11:54:04 OF THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
11:54:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
11:54:07 ANY QUESTIONS?
11:54:10 OKAY.
11:54:11 YES, SIR?
11:54:15 >>BILL CARLSON: MS. CALLOWAY, THE PROPOSERS SAID THAT
11:54:18 SOMETHING CHANGED IN THE RECORD IN 2018.
11:54:21 CAN YOU JUST ADDRESS THAT?
11:54:27 SORRY IF I GOT THE WORDS WRONG.
11:54:28 BUT THEY SAID SOMETHING IN THE FILE CHANGED IN 2018.
11:54:32 >> MELANIE CALLOWAY: IT DEFINITE REALLY CHANGE.
11:54:35 THIS IS THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FROM THE ARC.
11:54:38 AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THEY ARE REQUESTING SETBACKS.
11:54:43 WHEN I OBJECTED, I SPECIFICALLY HAD CODE CRITERIA AND
11:54:48 THEY WERE TO GRANT ACCESS, VEHICLE ACCESS, THEY WOULD
11:54:51 HAVE SAID THAT IN THEIR MOTION.
11:54:52 THEY NEVER APPROVED VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE REAR.
11:54:55 IT'S NOT IN THEIR MOTION.
11:54:58 THEY HAD NOTHING IN THEIR MOTION EXCEPT REAR SETBACKS AND
11:55:03 IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT REDUCING THE WIDTH FROM 24
11:55:06 TO 12, 26 TO 12.
11:55:08 AT THE TIME IT WAS 26.
11:55:11 12.4.
11:55:12 NOTHING.
11:55:12 NOW, IN 2018, HE HAD TRIED TO PUT IN A DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A
11:55:19 PERMIT.
11:55:19 CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS CALLED.
11:55:21 AND HE WAS CITED.
11:55:22 THAT'S WHAT CHANGED.
11:55:25 BUT HE NEVER HAD IT THROUGH THE ARC APPROVAL.
11:55:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN, IF THERE'S ANY
11:55:39 ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
11:55:40 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, YES, OF COURSE.
11:55:42 THEN WE WILL ALLOW REBUTTAL.
11:55:45 WE ALWAYS DO THAT.
11:55:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:55:48 MS. CALLOWAY, THE PETITIONER HAD -- DIFFERENT COLORS OF
11:55:59 YELLOW AND PURPLE AND SO ON.
11:56:04 SOME HAD BACK DOORS THAT OPEN LIKE HIS, GARAGE DOORS.
11:56:07 ARE ANY OF THOSE BEING USED BY AUTOMOBILES COMING IN AND
11:56:10 OUT?
11:56:11 >> I'M AWARE OF ONE PROPERTY THAT IS USING IT THAT HAS A
11:56:14 TEN FOOT SETBACK IN THE ALLEY SO THEY HAVE 20 FEET.
11:56:17 TO MANEUVER IN SETBACKS 10 FEET.
11:56:20 THERE'S ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT ALSO USED VEHICULAR ACCESS
11:56:24 AND THAT IS LOCATED AT THE 1819 STRUCTURE.
11:56:29 THAT WAS THE 323 INCHES THAT THEY GAVE.
11:56:31 THAT WAS SET AT -- THEY HAVE 14 FEET TO MANEUVER.
11:56:35 THAT'S CLEAR ON THE APPROVED PLAN TO HAVE THE STAMPED
11:56:39 PLAN THAT I SHOWED YOU.
11:56:40 14.2 FEET.
11:56:42 NONE OF THEM HAS 12.4 FEET LAKE HE HAS.
11:56:45 NONE OF THEM ARE THAT NARROW. THE NEW ONE NEXT DOOR TO
11:56:48 HIM HAS THE FULL 24.
11:56:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE NEXT QUESTION.
11:56:55 ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT RELATED TO THIS, IN MY MIND, I WONDER
11:56:58 WHY AN ALLEY HAS A SPEED LIMIT OF 10 MILES PER HOUR.
11:57:01 THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPEED ZONES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA?
11:57:05 >> BY CODE, THEY ARE ALREADY -- ALLEYS HAVE A SPEED LIMIT
11:57:09 OF 10 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS.
11:57:11 THAT'S JUST CODE.
11:57:13 BUT THE SIGNAGE IS VERY PARTICULAR.
11:57:15 I AGREE.
11:57:18 THAT IS IN A VERY RARE INSTANCES.
11:57:21 THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW OF.
11:57:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:57:24 THAT CAN ALSO BE INTERPRETED TO MEAN IT'S OKAY TO GO 10
11:57:28 MILES PER HOUR.
11:57:30 I MEAN A LOT OF THINGS.
11:57:31 IF THAT'S THE CASE, ANY ALLEY IN THE CITY MUCH THE YOU
11:57:34 CAN DRIVE 10 MILES PER HOUR WITH OR WITHOUT THE SIGN.
11:57:37 >> CORRECT.
11:57:39 THAT'S CORRECT.
11:57:41 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
11:57:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, MR. CHAIR.
11:57:46 THE SECOND STORY WAS ASKED FOR.
11:57:47 >> IN 2004, YES.
11:57:51 SIT SILT I SEE IT ADD FOR ALLEY ACCESS.
11:57:56 WAS IT SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED WITH THE GARAGE DOOR OR WAS
11:57:59 THAT ALLEY ACCESS CONSIDERED A DOOR, FRENCH DOOR, ANY
11:58:03 OTHER WAY TO --
11:58:06 >> THAT DOOR WAS GRANTED AFTER -- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN JUST
11:58:10 LAKE A PD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SET OF WAIVERS.
11:58:13 IN THE ARC YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SET OF WAIVERS.
11:58:15 THEY NEVER WAIVED THEIR VEHICULAR ACCESS REDUCTION.
11:58:19 THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
11:58:20 HE NEVER REQUESTED THAT.
11:58:22 THAT WAS NEVER PART OF HIS REQUEST.
11:58:24 NOW, DOORS WERE APPROVED.
11:58:26 THE ACCESS FOR THE VEHICLE DOES NOT MEAT CODE, WAS NOT
11:58:31 GRANTED AT THE TIME.
11:58:32 THAT'S YES HAS TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN EXCEPTION NOW.
11:58:38 >>BILL CARLSON: AS ONE OR MORE PEOPLE SAID, THIS
11:58:41 CONFIGURATION IS THROUGHOUT HYDE PARK, AND I DON'T KNOW
11:58:45 IF IT'S AN OFFICIAL PREFERENCE OR NOT.
11:58:47 BUT MY UNDERSTANDING ANECDOTALLY FROM HYDE PARK IS PEOPLE
11:58:53 PARK BEHIND INSTEAD OF PARKING IN FRONT, THAT THERE'S A
11:58:56 PREFERENCE TO PUT THE GARAGES BEHIND.
11:58:58 AND THE ALLEY ACCESS IS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT HYDE PARK.
11:59:01 IS THERE SOMETHING PARTICULAR ABOUT THIS ALLEY?
11:59:06 THEY TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
11:59:09 ONE SAYS IT'S HIGHLY TRAFFICKED.
11:59:11 OTHERS SAY IT ISN'T.
11:59:12 BUT IS THIS ALLEY PARTICULARLY NARROW COMPARED TO THE
11:59:15 OTHER ALLEYS OR JUST AROUND THIS HOUSE THAT'S NARROW?
11:59:18 WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ALLEY?
11:59:20 >> THIS ALLEY IS PAVED VERY NICELY.
11:59:23 NOT ALL ALLEYS ARE PAVED, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
11:59:26 ALSO IT'S TEN FOOT WIDE.
11:59:29 THE ALLEYS VARY FROM 10 FEET TO 15-FOOT WIDE.
11:59:33 IT CAN BE ONE OF THOSE.
11:59:37 BUT THIS ONE IS 10-FOOT ALLEY WIDTH.
11:59:40 THERE'S NOTHING IN PARTICULAR EXCEPT THERE IS TRAFFIC ON
11:59:44 THIS ALLEY SOLID WASTE PICKS UP.
11:59:47 SOLID WASTE PICKS UP ON SOME ALLEYS, HAVE GONE AWAY FROM
11:59:50 IT ON OTHER ALLEYS, IT'S TOO NARROW, A LITTLE MORE
11:59:53 DANGEROUS, SAFETY, SO THEY DON'T ALWAYS PICK UP.
11:59:58 BUT I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN OBJECTING TO THESE
12:00:00 REDUCTIONS FOR YEARS.
12:00:02 I HAVE A COPY OF ALL MY MEMOS.
12:00:05 OF THE ONES THAT SHE HAS SHOWN THAT I HAD OBJECTED AND
12:00:10 APPROVED.
12:00:10 IT'S JUST IN THIS INSTANCE NEVER REQUESTED NOR WAS
12:00:13 APPROVED FOR ACCESS IN THE REAR.
12:00:15 THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
12:00:16 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, THANK YOU.
12:00:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I WANT TO ASK STAFF
12:00:24 OR PETITIONER'S ATTORNEY.
12:00:26 BUT LET'S PROCEED.
12:00:27 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
12:00:29 REBUTTAL?
12:00:30 AND WE WILL GIVE YOU, WHAT, THREE MINUTES?
12:00:33 >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ.
12:00:36 I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
12:00:38 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I'M SORRY.
12:00:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
12:00:41 FORGIVE ME.
12:00:42 BUT HAVE YOU DECIDED TO NOT ASK YOUR QUESTION?
12:00:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD RATHER ASK THE PETITIONER'S
12:00:53 LAWYER.
12:00:53 IS THAT ALLOWABLE?
12:00:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS LONG AS THE PETITIONER IS ALLOWED TO
12:00:56 HAVE REBUTTAL AFTER ALL THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED.
12:01:01 SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, ASK THE
12:01:03 QUESTION.
12:01:04 THE TIME IS NOW AND GIVE PETITIONER THE OPPORTUNITY --
12:01:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, I WILL ASK THE METER DIRECTLY.
12:01:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WISH.
12:01:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ACTUALLY, AS PETITIONER'S ATTORNEY, YOU
12:01:18 SHOWED MANY, MANY, MANY PICTURES OF SIMILAR
12:01:21 CIRCUMSTANCES.
12:01:23 WHAT MAKES THIS GARAGE -- EXCUSE ME, WHAT MAKES THIS
12:01:27 ALLEY -- LET ME DIGRESS.
12:01:30 WHAT MAKES THIS REQUEST SO DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS?
12:01:35 THE OTHERS I SAW, THERE WAS PLENTY SET BACK FROM THE
12:01:38 GARAGE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE GARAGE.
12:01:41 OR THERE WAS ADEQUATE NORM.
12:01:44 SO THE BASIC REQUEST HERE IS THE CHANGE FOR THE TRAFFIC.
12:01:53 >> I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.
12:01:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL THE
12:01:57 PICTURES THAT YOU SHOWED ME OF OTHER GARAGES WITH THIS
12:02:00 GARAGE THAT HAVE APRONS?
12:02:02 AS I SAID EARLIER, THESE OTHER GARAGES HAVE 10-FOOT
12:02:09 SETBACKS.
12:02:09 WHAT IS THE BASIC REQUEST?
12:02:10 IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ONLY TWO FEET ACCESS FROM THE
12:02:15 SETBACKS FOR THIS GARAGE.
12:02:16 NOW ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME?
12:02:18 WHAT IS THE BASIC REASONING FOR THIS REQUEST?
12:02:21 >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE PHOTOS THAT I SHOWED
12:02:24 YOU SHOWED A 10 FOOT SETBACK.
12:02:27 >> I DIDN'T SAY ALL OF THEM. I SAID SOME OF THEM.
12:02:29 >> BAILLAIGE: ALL OF THE RIBBONS -- I CAN GET MY
12:02:36 MEASURING TAPE OUT.
12:02:37 BUT --
12:02:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHAT
12:02:44 MAKES YOUR CASE SO PARTICULAR THAT IT SEPARATES ITSELF
12:02:49 FROM THE REST.
12:02:50 >> I GUESS MY POINT IS IT DOESN'T SEPARATE MYSELF BECAUSE
12:02:53 ALL OF THESE OTHER GARAGES HAVE VEHICULAR ACCESS ON
12:02:56 ALLEYWAYS THAT DO NOT APPEAR TO MEET THE SETBACK RULES
12:02:59 GIVEN THE WIDTH OF THE ALLEY AND THE RIBBON OF THE
12:03:02 DRIVEWAY.
12:03:02 AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF ME GOING AROUND AND CHECKING
12:03:05 THEM ALL AND POINTING OUT THAT 1819 WATROUS, THE ONE THAT
12:03:10 I FOCUSED ON, THAT ONE HAS A 32-INCH SETBACK APPROVED BY
12:03:14 TRANSPORTATION AND APPROVED BY THE ARC WHICH MIRRORS MY
12:03:18 PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES, EXACTLY THE SAME.
12:03:21 IT'S ONE BLOCK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ALBANY.
12:03:24 SO THE WIDTH OF THE ALLEY IS VERY SIMILAR, NOT EXACTLY
12:03:28 THE SAME.
12:03:29 IT'S AN EXACT SAME CASE THAT WAS APPROVED BY
12:03:32 TRANSPORTATION AND APPROVED BY THE ARC.
12:03:35 THAT'S WHY I AM FOCUSING ON THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
12:03:38 THE OTHER ONES, I WENT THROUGH ALL THOSE PICTURES, I
12:03:42 RESEARCHED THE CASES AND IN NO CASE DID I FIND ANY KIND
12:03:48 OF RESTRICTION ON USE.
12:03:49 AND ALL OF THOSE GARAGES THAT I SHOWED ARE USED REGULARLY
12:03:52 AS I COULD TELL BY TIRE TRACKS AND OTHER EVIDENCE, THEY
12:03:56 ARE USED REGULARLY BY VEHICLES, AND I WENT THROUGH ALL OF
12:04:01 THE RECORDS AND THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIONS BY
12:04:03 TRANSPORTATION, THE ARC APPROVED THE DESIGN, BUT THERE'S
12:04:10 NO USE RESTRICTIONS AT ALL.
12:04:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:04:14 >>LUIS VIERA: AND BEFORE YOU BEGIN REBUTTAL, I WANT TO
12:04:16 GET A MOTION, IF I MAY.
12:04:17 I KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE HEARING.
12:04:22 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:04:23 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:04:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:04:26 ANY OPPOSED?
12:04:27 YES, SIR
12:04:30 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
12:04:30 >> SUSAN JOHNSON VELEZ: TWO THINGS.
12:04:36 I THINK WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING IS THAT BECAUSE THERE
12:04:38 WAS -- THERE'S NO SPECIFIC MENTION IN THE ARC THAT ALLOWS
12:04:43 IT, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO SPECIFIC MENTION IN THE ARC
12:04:46 APPROVAL THAT PRECLUDES IT.
12:04:49 SO REASONABLY, HAS USED THIS, I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW
12:04:54 WHICH INFERENCE YOU WANT, BUT IN FAIRNESS TO THE PROPERTY
12:04:57 OWNER, I THINK IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IT'S PRECLUDED,
12:05:00 THEN IT NEEDS TO SPECIFICALLY STATE IT AND IT'S NOT
12:05:02 SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THERE.
12:05:04 AND IN FACT, TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. CARLSON, WHAT I
12:05:06 REFERRED TO EARLIER WAS WHEN I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS
12:05:10 HEARING, I DID GO THROUGH THE ACCELA SYSTEM AND LOOKED UP
12:05:16 THE PERMITS TO SEE WHAT THE PARAMETERS WERE AND THERE IS
12:05:18 NOW A CONDITION ON THE SYSTEM.
12:05:20 UNFORTUNATELY I WASN'T ABLE TO PRINT IT OUT.
12:05:22 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY ON THAT APPROVAL, THERE
12:05:25 IS NOW A CONDITION THAT WAS ADDED ON DECEMBER 21st,
12:05:29 2018, THAT SAYS VEHICULAR ACCESS, THAT SAYS NO VEHICULAR
12:05:34 ACCESS TO THE ALLEY.
12:05:36 SO IT'S NOW A CONDITION THAT'S ADDED 14 YEARS AFTER HIS
12:05:40 ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
12:05:41 SO WITHOUT ANY NOTICE TO HIM OTHER THAN YOU HAVE A CODE
12:05:48 VIOLATION.
12:05:54 I THINK IT'S A DUE PROCESS ISSUE.
12:06:00 TRYING TO REMEDY THIS.
12:06:01 SO AGAIN, THAT WAS WHAT TRIGGERED THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION
12:06:05 REQUEST BECAUSE WE WENT TO STAFF.
12:06:07 THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD THAT WE NEEDED TO DO.
12:06:10 THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED THIS.
12:06:11 NOTHING MORE.
12:06:12 NOTHING LESS.
12:06:12 IT'S JUST THERE NOTICE I KNOW.
12:06:13 AND THIS CONDITION NOW THAT'S APPEARED NINE MONTHS AGO.
12:06:17 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM?
12:06:20 >> THAT'S ALL.
12:06:22 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION,
12:06:24 SIR?
12:06:27 >>BILL CARLSON: TELL ME IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK NOW
12:06:28 THAT WE HAVE DONE REBUTTAL. IF A DOCUMENT LIKE THAT
12:06:31 ENDED UP IN THE FILE, SHE MENTIONED DUE PROCESS.
12:06:34 ISN'T THERE SUPPOSED TO BE DUE PROCESS?
12:06:36 HOW WOULD A DOCUMENT LIKE THAT END UP IN THE FILE AND IS
12:06:39 IT THERE?
12:06:40 I DON'T KNOW.
12:06:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO WHOM --
12:06:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I GUESS CITY STAFF OR LEGAL.
12:06:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THEN AFTER THIS IF MRS. JOHNSON VELEZ HAS
12:06:51 ANY FURTHER REBUTTAL.
12:06:54 >>BILL CARLSON: IF THE DOCUMENTS IS THERE, IS IT POSSIBLE
12:06:56 THE CITY CAN DO SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THE USE OF A
12:06:58 PROPERTY WITHOUT LETTING THE OWNER KNOW?
12:07:01 >> CATE WELLS: I'M NOT PREPARED TODAY TO SPEAK TO THAT
12:07:05 DOCUMENT SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I AM HEARING ABOUT
12:07:07 IT BUT I THINK DUE PROCESS, THE FACT THAT TWO DIFFERENT
12:07:12 NOTICES OF VIOLATION HAVE BEEN ISSUED, THAT WAS THE
12:07:14 NOTICE THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH HOW THE ALLEY ACCESS
12:07:17 HAS BEEN USED, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HOW THAT DOCUMENT
12:07:20 MADE ITS WAY INTO THE FILE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I
12:07:22 WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO.
12:07:29 >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL TO THAT, MRS.
12:07:32 JOHNSON VELEZ, NARROWLY TAILORED TO THAT QUESTION?
12:07:36 >> I DON'T.
12:07:37 IT'S NOT A DOCUMENT IF UP GO THROUGH -- I DIDN'T SEE A
12:07:39 DOCUMENT.
12:07:40 BUT WHEN YOU CLICK ON CONDITIONS, ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN,
12:07:43 IT SAYS, NO DRIVEWAY, AND NO ALLEY ACCESS TO THE REAR
12:07:48 GARAGE DOORS.
12:07:51 AND THERE'S A DATE 12-21 OF 2018.
12:07:54 THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
12:07:55 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU MILLIMETER MA'AM.
12:07:57 OKAY.
12:07:58 MOTION TO CLOSE?
12:08:00 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:08:02 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:08:03 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:08:04 ANY OPPOSED?
12:08:05 WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:08:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU DO
12:08:12 HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE CRITERIA ON WHICH TO RELY AND
12:08:18 APPLY THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU FIND IF
12:08:20 YOU HAVE ANY FINDINGS OF FACT, YOU ALSO HAVE THE SAMPLE
12:08:24 MOTIONS IN FRONT OF YOU, WHETHER YOU CHOSE TO APPROVE OR
12:08:29 DENY THE APPLICATION TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.
12:08:31 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:08:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
12:08:36 DENY THE APPLICATION FOR DESIGN EXCEPTION D-1-19-107
12:08:41 BECAUSE A BETTER HAS FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE
12:08:44 CONSISTENT IS APPLICABLE WITH THE STANDARDS IN 21-65, A
12:08:51 QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED I THINK BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER,
12:08:53 WHAT MAKES THIS PROPERTY DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER
12:08:57 ONES AND WHATNOT, AND I DON'T SEE THE BURDEN OF PROOF AS
12:09:00 TO WHY THIS SHOULD BE -- WHY THIS IS A UNIQUE ENOUGH
12:09:03 SITUATION THAT IT SHOULD BE-UPHELD.
12:09:10 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE WE VOTE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:09:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WHAT MAKES THIS SITUATION
12:09:14 UNIQUE IS WHAT I SPOKE TO EARLIER WHICH IS ESTOPPEL.
12:09:18 OKAY.
12:09:18 WE HAVE GOT TWO BRANCHES OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT SAYING
12:09:23 TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
12:09:25 AND I THINK THAT'S WRONG.
12:09:27 FRANKLY, WELL, I WON'T GIVE MY LEGAL JUDGMENT, BUT I
12:09:31 THINK IT'S JUST WRONG.
12:09:36 THE ARC IS ALL ABOUT PRO EFFECTING THE DISTRICT, HYDE
12:09:41 PARK DISTRICT, AND SPECIFICALLY, AS I THINK MR. CARLSON
12:09:46 ALLUDED TO, ENCOURAGES THE USE OF ALLEYS.
12:09:50 DISCOURAGING THE USE OF THE STREETS.
12:09:53 FOR PARKING, FOR DRIVING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
12:09:55 TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT WALKABILITY OF WATROUS, AND LET
12:10:00 THE CARS GO UP AND DOWN, WHICH WAS THE HISTORIC APPROACH
12:10:05 TO HYDE PARK DISTRICT, AND MANY OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS
12:10:08 THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
12:10:09 THAT'S WHY WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT, WE TRY AND ENCOURAGE THE
12:10:14 PRESERVATION OF THOSE ALLEYS FOR PEOPLE TO USE.
12:10:16 ON TOP OF THAT, HERE WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THAT BODY
12:10:21 WHICH SITS IN THE SAME EXACT SEATS WE ARE SITTING IN
12:10:26 APPROVED IT, APPROVED GARAGE DOORS, OKAY?
12:10:31 HE DIDN'T PUT IN GARAGE DOORS TO BE AESTHETICALLY
12:10:34 PLEASING TO HIS BACK DOOR NEIGHBORS.
12:10:35 HE PUT IN GARAGE DOORS TO USE.
12:10:37 NOW THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SAYS HE DOES USE THEM, HE SAYS
12:10:41 HE DOES USE THEM.
12:10:42 THAT'S A FACTUAL QUESTION.
12:10:43 BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS TO ME IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.
12:10:46 THE OTHER CONCERN I DO HAVE IS EQUAL PROTECTION.
12:10:50 THE ONLY FOLKS WHO ARE HERE OBJECTING USE THE ALLEY FROM
12:10:55 THEIR GARAGE, WHEN THEY ARE REAR LOADING.
12:10:58 HE'S PRESENTED TESTIMONY SHOWING THAT THE NEIGHBORS UP
12:11:01 AND DOWN HIS PARTICULAR BLOCK USE THE ALLEY, REAR LOADED.
12:11:08 I DON'T GET IT.
12:11:10 THIS ONE SEEMS TO ME LIKE A NO-BRAINER.
12:11:13 DID THE ARC PERHAPS MAKE A MISTAKE GOING CONTRARY TO MS.
12:11:17 CALLOWAY'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION 14 YEARS AGO?
12:11:19 PERHAPS.
12:11:20 BUT WHAT'S DONE IS DONE.
12:11:22 AND I RESPECTFULLY WOULD VOTE AGAINST YOUR MOTION, MR.
12:11:27 MANISCALCO.
12:11:27 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:11:29 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:11:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIRMAN, I ALSO FEEL IN LOOKING AT
12:11:33 ALL THE FACTS, THE FACTS THAT ARE FACTUAL WERE PRESENTED,
12:11:36 NOT ALL THE FACTS PRESENTED ABOUT OTHER THINGS, WHETHER
12:11:40 WE ERRED OR NOT SOMEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM, SOME CHANGES
12:11:44 WERE MADE IN 2018 WHICH DOESN'T REFER TO WHAT HAPPENED
12:11:49 PRIOR, AND BEING HERE FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME, THERE ARE
12:11:52 EXCEPTIONS THAT WE ALWAYS USE IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY TO
12:11:57 USE THE ALLEY.
12:11:58 I GUESS MAYBE, IN MY TENURE, I HAVE REZONED MAYBE 50 TO
12:12:03 100 UNITS THAT HAVE A THE ALLEYWAY IN AND OUT HE AGREES.
12:12:08 IF FACT JUST YESTERDAY I WENT TO LOWES AND I WENT DOWN
12:12:11 MacDILL AVENUE AND I TURNED RIGHT ON EUCLID OR
12:12:15 EL PRADO, I FORGET WHICH.
12:12:17 THERE'S A BUNCH OF BRAND NEW CONDOS.
12:12:19 YOU DON'T PARK ANYWHERE BUT IN THE PARK.
12:12:21 NOT ONLY DO YOU PARK IN THE BACK, AND THOSE WERE
12:12:24 PERMITTED.
12:12:25 AND I AM NOT MAKING THAT REFERENCE TO THIS CASE.
12:12:27 BUT THEY EVEN HAVE A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.
12:12:31 THEY ALWAYS SAY MOTHER-IN-LAW.
12:12:32 I GUESS THEY KILLED THE FATHER.
12:12:34 IT'S ALWAYS MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITES AND NEVER FATHER-IN-LAW
12:12:39 SUITES.
12:12:40 BUT THE PARKING IS NOT IN THE BACK SWEETS.
12:12:45 THEY ARE A LITTLE LARGER BECAUSE THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR
12:12:47 THE MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.
12:12:50 I AM LOOKING FOR THIS AND I TELL MYSELF IT'S SIX OF ONE,
12:12:53 HALF DOZEN OF ANOTHER.
12:12:55 BUT I HAVE GOT TO GO ON THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED,
12:12:58 NOT WHAT SIX OR ONE OR HALF DOZEN OF ANOTHER BECAUSE IT
12:13:01 MEANS THE SAME THING.
12:13:02 AND ONE DEPARTMENT SAYS ONE THING.
12:13:03 ANOTHER SAYS THE OTHER THING.
12:13:05 AND IT'S GOT TO BE CHANGED SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE SO
12:13:08 THAT WE CAN BE CONSISTENT WITH WHATEVER THE RULING IS.
12:13:10 BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
12:13:14 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:13:16 ANYONE ELSE?
12:13:17 OKAY.
12:13:18 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:13:20 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:13:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:13:24 ANY OPPOSED?
12:13:24 >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:13:38 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
12:13:39 WHAT IS FURTHER THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
12:13:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE
12:13:43 APPLICATION FOR DESIGN EXCEPTION DE 1-19-107 OVERRIDING
12:13:51 THE ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION, BECAUSE PETITIONER HAS
12:13:53 SUSTAINED -- DEMONSTRATED THAT THE PETITION, IF THE
12:13:58 WAIVER IS GRANTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE
12:14:00 GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-6 OH-E 5
12:14:06 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FACTS THAT I MENTIONED AT LENGTH IN
12:14:08 MY OPPOSITION TO THE EARLIER MOTION.
12:14:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:14:12 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:14:13 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:14:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:14:17 ANY OPPOSED?
12:14:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:14:26 IT'S ABOUT 12:15 RIGHT IN AND OUT, MORE OR LESS.
12:14:32 WITH EVERYBODY AT LUNCH, HOW ARE WE DOING?
12:14:34 >> LET'S FOLLOW THROUGH.
12:14:43 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A PERSONAL APPOINTMENT
12:14:45 AT ONE SO WE ARE GOING TO LET HIM DO HIS MOTIONS.
12:14:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY MS.
12:14:50 WELLS THAT THIS HEARING SHOULD NOT BE LENGTHY BECAUSE
12:14:54 THERE IS NO ORAL ARGUMENT ATTACHED TO IT.
12:14:56 IS THAT CORRECT, MS. WELLS?
12:14:58 AND THE PETITIONER IS NOT PRESENT.
12:15:00 SO IF WE CAN.
12:15:02 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
12:15:04 LET'S FIRST, JUST SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT, COUNCILMAN
12:15:07 GUDES, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION YOU MAY.
12:15:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON THE
12:15:12 CULTURAL CENTER IN EAST TAMPA AND I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED
12:15:16 BY LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS AND L IN REFERENCE,
12:15:21 GET SOME MORE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL.
12:15:24 AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE
12:15:26 ADMINISTRATION TO APPOINT A GRANT WRITING STAFF MEMBER TO
12:15:28 COMPLETE GRANT WRITING APPLICATION THAT WILL HELP THE AL
12:15:32 BARNES PARK CULTURAL CENTER TO OCCUR WITHIN THE NEXT TWO
12:15:38 WEEKS.
12:15:38 ON A SIDE NOTE I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER SEVERAL
12:15:40 APPLICATIONS FOR SUCH A GRANT FROM STATE AND FEDERAL
12:15:43 AGENCIES THAT MY OFFICE WILL PROVIDE.
12:15:44 >> SECOND.
12:15:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE'S A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:15:48 I BELIEVE SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:15:53 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:15:55 ANY OPPOSED?
12:15:56 AND LET ME BEFORE YOU GO, WELL DONE.
12:15:59 I MEAN IT.
12:16:00 YOU ARE GETTING MONEY.
12:16:01 YOU ARE GOING TO GET MONEY FROM THE COUNTY, THE CITY, THE
12:16:03 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE MONEY, PROBABLY GOING TO GET
12:16:06 SOME MONEY FROM THE VATICAN.
12:16:07 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:16:09 SO WELL DONE.
12:16:10 I MEAN IT.
12:16:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, AND WITH SOME OF THE OTHER
12:16:18 REPRESENTATIVES IN THE CITY TO TRY TO HELP GET THIS
12:16:20 PROJECT DONE.
12:16:22 >>LUIS VIERA: SO THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
12:16:24 I MEAN THAT.
12:16:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE SECOND MOTION, A LOT OF TIMES, I USE
12:16:30 ATHLETIC PROGRAMS IN THE CITY ARE SOMETIMES IN TURMOIL.
12:16:34 AND A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS, BASEBALL,
12:16:37 REFERENCE TO FIELD, REFERENCE TO BACK DROPS.
12:16:41 A LOT OF TIMES IT PUTS THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT IN A
12:16:43 SPIN OF WHO IS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG AND TRYING TO BE
12:16:47 FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
12:16:47 FOR YEARS I TALKED WITH SOME OF THE STAFF TALKING ABOUT A
12:16:51 NEW SPORTS COMMISSION THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE.
12:16:53 I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS A SIMILAR TYPE OF BOARD.
12:16:55 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND
12:16:57 THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADMINISTRATION TO RESEARCH THE
12:17:00 CREATION OF AN YOUTH COMMISSION TO ASSIST IN CREATING
12:17:04 POLICIES REGARDING THE ATHLETICS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:17:07 I WOULD LIKE THIS REPORT BACK ON JANUARY 23rd, 2020,
12:17:11 SIR.
12:17:12 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:17:13 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:17:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:17:16 ANY OPPOSED?
12:17:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND MY LAST ONE.
12:17:19 I TOLD YOU CHAIRWOMAN SHAMBURGER OF THE SCHOOL BOARD
12:17:24 WANTED TO 80s DRESS COUNCIL FOR FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTES.
12:17:27 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE ON OCTOBER
12:17:31 24th, A WORKSHOP DATE, HAVE HER COME FORD WITH
12:17:36 INFORMATION TO THIS COUNCIL.
12:17:41 THE 24th.
12:17:43 SHE SAYS IT WILL BE VERY SHORT AND BRIEF BUT RECENT
12:17:47 CHANGES IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SHE WANTED TO GIVE COUNCIL
12:17:50 SOME INFORMATION.
12:17:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE WORKSHOPS AND STAFF REPORTS.
12:18:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS A LONG TIME.
12:18:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE SAID FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTES.
12:18:11 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S FINE.
12:18:12 WE'LL GRANT THAT TO THE CHAIRWOMAN L WOMAN OF THE SCHOOL
12:18:14 BOARD.
12:18:15 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:18:17 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:18:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:18:19 ANY OPPOSED?
12:18:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF
12:18:22 HAVING THE CHAIR FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD COMING IN, DO YOU
12:18:27 WISH TO HAVE THAT SET?
12:18:28 BECAUSE PRESENTLY THIS IS UNDER YOUR OLD SYSTEM, ALL OF
12:18:31 THEM ARE SET FOR 9:00.
12:18:32 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WISH TO PERHAPS GIVE SOME GUIDANCE
12:18:35 AS TO WHEN THE CHAIR SHOULD APPEAR.
12:18:39 >>LUIS VIERA: IS SHE LOOKING AT IN THE MORNING?
12:18:44 HOW ABOUT WE DO IT AFTER THE COMMENDATIONS, WHICH
12:18:47 PROBABLY SHOULD BE AROUND 9:30?
12:18:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND SHE SAID IT WOULD BE VERY SHORT.
12:18:52 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
12:18:53 THANK YOU.
12:18:54 NEXT WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM.
12:18:56 BEFORE WE DO THAT, WITH OUR FRIENDS AT THE CLERK, ARE YOU
12:19:00 ALL OKAY WITH GOING FORWARD?
12:19:02 OKAY.
12:19:03 WE MOVE ONWARD TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS 59.
12:19:08 THANK YOU.
12:19:14 >>CATE WELLS: OFFICE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY.
12:19:17 SO THIS ITEM IS A REVIEW HEARING BUT IT'S DIFFERENT FROM
12:19:19 THE ONE YOU JUST HEARD.
12:19:21 THE ONE YOU JUST HEARD WAS A TODAY HE NOVEMBER OH
12:19:23 STANDARD OF REVIEW.
12:19:24 YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE TESTIMONY AND NEW EVIDENCE AND MAKE
12:19:27 A DECISION AS IF YOU WERE THE ORIGINAL DECISION MAKER.
12:19:31 UNLIKE THAT CASE, THIS IS A RECOMMENDED ORDER FROM A
12:19:34 HEARING OFFICER ON A DETERMINATION FROM THE ZONING
12:19:36 ADMINISTRATOR WHICH WAS ISSUED EARLIER THIS YEAR ON
12:19:40 PARTICULAR 11 REGARDING THE LEGALITY OF THE EXISTING
12:19:43 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 8311-B NORTH SEMMSE
12:19:55 STREET.
12:19:56 THE RECOMMENDED ORDER FROM THE HEARING HELD ON MAY 13
12:19:59 PRESENTS FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, AND A
12:20:02 RECOMMENDATION THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION
12:20:06 BE UPHELD.
12:20:07 THE HEARING OFFICER FOUND THAT THE SMALLER STRUCTURE IS
12:20:10 AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
12:20:11 AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE SMALLER STRUCTURE CANNOT
12:20:15 BE LEGALLY USED AS A DWELLING UNIT, AND THAT THE DWELLING
12:20:19 AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE MUST BE REMOVED.
12:20:21 NO PARTY HAS FILED EXCEPTIONS OR A REQUEST FOR ORAL
12:20:25 ARGUMENT.
12:20:26 I HAVE PREPARED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND A COPY OF SECTION
12:20:29 27-61.
12:20:31 YOU WILL FIND THAT THE ACTION TO BE TAKEN TODAY IS SET
12:20:34 FORTH IN SECTION 27-61 SUBSECTION J-1-E-3.
12:20:42 AT THE TOP OF THE FOURTH PAGE OF THE HANDOUT.
12:20:45 THE MOTIONS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER TODAY INCLUDE ADOPTING
12:20:49 THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS YOUR FINAL ORDER, OR REMANDING
12:20:54 THIS BACK TO THE HEARING OFFICER, IF ADDITIONAL FINDINGS
12:20:57 OF FACT ARE NECESSARY, IF YOU FIND THAT ONE OR MORE
12:21:01 FINDINGS OF FACT WERE NOT BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
12:21:03 EVIDENCE, OR DID NOT COMPLY WITH THE ESSENTIAL
12:21:06 REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW.
12:21:08 FINALLY, IF OTHER MOTION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER TODAY IS
12:21:10 TO MODIFY THE RECOMMENDED ORDER BY MODIFYING OR REJECTING
12:21:14 ONE OR MORE CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.
12:21:17 IN THAT SITUATION, THERE ARE FOUR STEPS COUNCIL WOULD
12:21:19 HAVE TO TAKE.
12:21:20 COUNCIL MUST IDENTIFY THE CONCLUSION OR CONCLUSIONS OF
12:21:23 LAW, BE REJECTED OR MODIFIED, COUNCIL MUST STATED WITH
12:21:28 PARTICULARITY THE REASONS FOR MODIFYING OR REJECTING THE
12:21:31 CONCLUSION OR CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.
12:21:33 COUNCIL MUST STATE THE PROPOSED OR SUBSTITUTED CONCLUSION
12:21:36 OF LAW.
12:21:37 AND FINALLY YOU MUST MAKE A FINDING THAT COUNCIL
12:21:39 SUBSTITUTION OF A CONCLUSION OF LAW IS AS REASONABLE OR
12:21:43 MORE REASONABLE THAN THE ONE BEING SUBSTITUTED IN THE
12:21:47 RECOMMEND ORDER.
12:21:48 I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
12:21:49 THANK YOU.
12:21:50 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
12:21:57 OKAY.
12:22:00 YES, SIR?
12:22:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M A LITTLE BIT AT A LOSS BECAUSE I
12:22:05 FOR WHATEVER REASON, ADMINISTRATIVELY OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I
12:22:08 DON'T HAVE THE RECOMMENDED ORDER OR THE FINDINGS OF FACT.
12:22:11 IS THAT PART OF THE BACKUP?
12:22:13 FOR ITEM 59?
12:22:16 >>CATE WELLS: YES, SIR.
12:22:17 THE RECOMMENDED ORDER AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE RECORD OF THE
12:22:19 HEARING ON MAY 13th WAS INCLUDED IN BACKUP TO THIS
12:22:24 ITEM.
12:22:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF AT LEAST THE
12:22:28 RECOMMENDED ORDER, FINDINGS OF FACT?
12:22:32 >>CATE WELLS: I DO.
12:22:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WHY IS THE ORIGINAL PETITIONER NOT
12:22:34 HERE?
12:22:35 DO WE KNOW?
12:22:39 MS. COYLE, HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THEM?
12:22:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD SAY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER,
12:22:46 THE CODE IS VERY SPECIFIC WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
12:22:51 PETITIONER TO HAVE TO APPEAR, WOULD HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE
12:22:54 OF WANTING TO HAVE ORAL ARGUMENT.
12:22:56 IS THAT CORRECT UNDER THE STATUTE?
12:22:59 >>CATE WELLS: CAN BE PRESENT BUT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS
12:23:01 COUNCIL THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO EITHER FILED EXCEPTIONS AT
12:23:03 THE SAME TIME, FILED A REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT.
12:23:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IN EFFECT, COUNCIL, BY DOING SO,
12:23:10 THAT PERSON HAS WAIVED THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO
12:23:12 RESPOND TO COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS, UNLESS COUNCIL MADE
12:23:16 SPECIFIC FINDINGS DURING THE COURSE OF THE HEARING.
12:23:18 DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR DECISION AS TO WHAT THEY
12:23:20 WISHED TO DO.
12:23:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE THEY REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL?
12:23:29 >>CATE WELLS: THEY WERE NOT.
12:23:29 THEY WERE PRO SE PETITIONERS IN THAT MATTER.
12:23:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE BOTTOM LINE IN TERMS OF THE
12:23:38 FINDING OF FACTS -- AND I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE TIME TO
12:23:42 READ THROUGH THEM BECAUSE THIS DOCUMENT IS LAKE TEN
12:23:44 PAGES -- IS THAT THEY HAD A STRUCTURE, IT'S A LEGAL
12:23:52 STRUCTURE, BUT IT'S NOT A LEGAL DWELLING UNIT.
12:23:55 WHAT WAS IT A GARAGE OR SOMETHING?
12:23:58 >>CATE WELLS: WHEN THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 1996
12:24:00 THERE WERE TWO STRUCTURES, ONE THE DWELLING UNIT, THE
12:24:02 SECOND AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT AT THE TIME ACCORDING
12:24:05 TO THEIR TESTIMONY WAS BEING LEASED OUT AND HAS BEEN
12:24:09 CONSISTENTLY LEASED OR RENTED OUT SINCE THAT TIME.
12:24:11 SO THE ISSUE WHEN THIS MATTER WENT BEFORE THE ZONING
12:24:15 ADMINISTRATOR IS WHETHER OR NOT ON I BELIEVE JOHN 11,
12:24:18 1987, WHETHER AT THAT TIME IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS A LEGAL
12:24:22 NONCONFORMING USE, THAT BEING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE,
12:24:25 USED AS A DWELLING UNIT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD THE
12:24:28 BURDEN OF PROOF OF ESTABLISHING THAT BACK IN 1987, JUNE
12:24:33 11th PRECISELY, THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS
12:24:36 BEING USED AS A DWELLING UNIT.
12:24:38 THE HEARING OFFICER FOUND THAT THE METERS DID NOT MEET
12:24:41 THEIR BURDEN OF PROOF, THAT WHILE IT WAS CLEARLY
12:24:43 ESTABLISHED THAT THERE WERE TWO STRUCTURES ON THAT
12:24:46 PROPERTY, THE HEARING OFFICER DID NOT FIND ANY EVIDENCE
12:24:48 TO SUPPORT THAT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS BEING USED AS
12:24:52 A DWELLING UNIT, AS OF JUNE 11, 1987.
12:25:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THERE ANY REFERENCE TO WHAT THAT
12:25:03 STRUCTURE APPEARS, YOU KNOW, DOES IT APPEAR TO BE
12:25:08 RESIDENTIAL?
12:25:09 DID IT APPEAR TO BE A GARAGE?
12:25:12 IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RECORD ALONG THOSE LINES?
12:25:17 >>CATE WELLS: I'LL LET MS. COYLE ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
12:25:21 >>CATHERINE COYLE: ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY.
12:25:25 THIS EXHIBIT WAS ONE OF THE EXHIBITS PRESENTED AND
12:25:29 REVIEWED BY THE HEARING OFFICER DURING THAT SESSION.
12:25:33 THIS IS THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CARD OR RECORD DATED
12:25:39 JANUARY 15th, 1987 SO THAT DID PREDATE THE ZONING
12:25:43 CHANGE OF JUNE 11th.
12:25:46 IT RECORDED ON THIS DOCUMENT THAT THERE WAS -- THIS IS
12:25:51 THE MAIN BUILDING RIGHT HERE, AND THIS IS WHERE THEY
12:25:54 CAPTURE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, HEATING, FLAGGER,
12:25:57 EVERYTHING ELSE.
12:25:57 THEY CAPTURED THAT THERE WAS ONE BATH, ONE TOILET, ONE
12:26:02 LAVATORY, ONE SINK IN THE BUILDING.
12:26:07 AT THE BOTTOM, UNDER LETTER K, OTHER BUILDINGS, THIS IS
12:26:12 WHERE THE 18 BY 18 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS CAPTURED, AND
12:26:17 IT WAS SIMPLY A CONCRETED BLOCK 18 BY 18 BUILDING, AND IT
12:26:21 DIDN'T REGISTER THAT IT HAD ANY PLUMBING IN IT, TOILETS
12:26:25 OR ANYTHING ELSE.
12:26:27 THE PLUMBING AND THE FIXTURES WERE LOCATED IN THE MAIN
12:26:30 STRUCTURE ONLY.
12:26:33 IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY EVIDENCE, THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD
12:26:35 HAVE FOUND IT OR THEY WOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT FROM.
12:26:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IT DOESN'T DISPROVE IT.
12:26:42 IT JUST DOESN'T PROVE IT.
12:26:46 >>CATHERINE COYLE: THE BURDEN WAS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER
12:26:47 TO PROVE IT.
12:26:48 THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD.
12:26:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN THE MERE FACT THAT THAT
12:26:51 DOCUMENT DIDN'T SPEAK TO IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY --
12:26:56 >>CATHERINE COYLE: THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CAPTURES WHAT'S
12:26:58 ON THE PROPERTY AND THOSE FIXTURES AND HOW THE BUILDINGS
12:27:00 ARE ARRANGED IN ORDER TO MAKE THE ASSESSMENT OF WHETHER
12:27:02 OR NOT THEIR DWELLING UNITS AND FOR TAX PURPOSES.
12:27:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:27:08 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
12:27:16 >>CATE WELLS: IF I MAY FOR THE RECORD, TYPICALLY WHERE
12:27:18 THERE WAS NOT BEEN A REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT, THERE'S
12:27:20 NO DISCUSSION AS WE ARE HAVING DURING THE HEARING.
12:27:25 COUNCIL OF COURSE ON ITS OWN MOTION CAN ALLOW ORAL
12:27:28 ARGUMENT.
12:27:29 I THINK THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY IN THE NATURE OF ORAL
12:27:32 ARGUMENT.
12:27:32 IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THE RECORD CONSISTS OF.
12:27:37 SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.
12:27:39 >>LUIS VIERA: AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.
12:27:43 THAT'S CORRECT.
12:27:43 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
12:27:45 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:27:48 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN -- ALL IN FAVOR?
12:27:53 ANY OPPOSED?
12:27:53 WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS COUNCIL?
12:27:55 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:28:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UP HOLD THE DECISION OF THE HEARING
12:28:05 OFFICER.
12:28:06 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:28:07 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:28:08 ANY OPPOSED?
12:28:11 OKAY.
12:28:12 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:28:13 WE MOVE ONWARD TO MOTIONS AND REPORTS.
12:28:16 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:28:17 I KNOW YOU HAD A FEW, SIR.
12:28:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:28:20 OKAY.
12:28:22 IN REGARD TO THE FOLKS FROM DAVIS ISLAND WHO HAD
12:28:26 REQUESTED THAT THEY GET FORM-BASED OR AT LEAST
12:28:35 CONSIDERATION OF THEIR REQUEST FOR FORM-BASED CODE AND
12:28:40 POSSIBLY AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, I WOULD LIKE A REPORT BACK
12:28:43 FROM STAFF ON THAT REQUEST, BOTH PHILOSOPHICALLY AS WELL
12:28:49 AS FINANCIALLY.
12:28:53 THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY WITH THAT REQUEST.
12:28:55 AND MS. COYLE LEFT.
12:28:59 BUT PERHAPS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, IF NOVEMBER REGULAR
12:29:05 MEETING?
12:29:08 I GOT TOO MUCH IN FRONT OF ME.
12:29:21 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I BELIEVE THIS IS THE REQUEST THAT THOM
12:29:23 SNELLING DID RESPOND TO AND SAID THERE ISN'T ADEQUATE
12:29:28 STAFF CURRENTLY AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO RESPOND TO
12:29:30 THIS REQUEST.
12:29:31 AM I CORRECT?
12:29:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.
12:29:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD BE
12:29:37 CONCERNED ABOUT IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME REPORT
12:29:40 THAT YOU GOT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
12:29:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SPECIFIC ON
12:29:44 DAVIS ISLAND.
12:29:45 I DON'T REMEMBER.
12:29:46 ANYBODY?
12:29:47 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS ONE ON DAVIS
12:29:49 ISLAND AND ONE ON WESTSHORE PLAZA.
12:29:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THERE WAS ONE ON WESTSHORE
12:29:55 PLAZA.
12:29:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE MADE REFERENCE TO A LETTER THAT HAD
12:29:59 BEEN RECEIVED TO THAT REQUEST.
12:30:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME TIGHTEN UP MY REQUEST THEN.
12:30:06 IN A NOVEMBER REGULAR MEETING, NOVEMBER 21st, DURING
12:30:10 STAFF REPORTS, A QUICK STAFF REPORT, IN PERSON, FROM THE
12:30:14 PLANNING DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY AS TO THE FEASIBILITY
12:30:18 AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO RESPOND TO THE DAVIS ISLAND
12:30:24 REQUEST.
12:30:27 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND I DID RECEIVE CONFIRMATION THAT THAT
12:30:30 REPORT WAS ADDRESSED TO DAVIS ISLAND.
12:30:33 I'M SORRY, THE REPORT THAT CAME BACK A COUPLE OF WEEKS
12:30:35 AGO FROM MR. SNELLING BASICALLY SAYING THAT AT THIS POINT
12:30:39 IN TIME, THERE WASN'T ADEQUATE STAFF AT DEVELOPMENT
12:30:43 SERVICES TO DO THE WORK THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE
12:30:47 DEVELOPING OF FORM-BASED CODE FOR DAVIS ISLAND.
12:30:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:30:50 THAT'S FINE.
12:30:51 BUT I WOULD STILL LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM IN TERMS OF
12:30:55 HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO COST.
12:30:56 MAYBE THEY JUST NEED TO GO OUTSIDE AND CONTRACT OUTSIDE
12:30:59 TO DO IT BECAUSE WE DO THAT ON OCCASION AS YOU RECALL.
12:31:03 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ONE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU APPROVE THE
12:31:05 CONTRACT FOR AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT THAT IS REVIEWING
12:31:08 DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT
12:31:11 SEVERAL OF US ON STAFF ARE GOING TO BE DOING IN THE NEAR
12:31:14 FOUGHT, IS LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES
12:31:16 DEPARTMENT, LOOKING AT STAFFING NEEDS, LOOKING AT HOW IT
12:31:19 CAN BE BETTER ORGANIZED, COORDINATED, IMPROVED UPON.
12:31:24 SO I THINK IT IS ALL TIED INTO THAT AS WELL.
12:31:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN LIGHT OF THAT I WILL EXTEND THIS TO
12:31:33 LET'S SAY FEBRUARY, AND PERHAPS WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE
12:31:36 IDEA OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE
12:31:38 GOING IN, IN FEBRUARY.
12:31:40 FEBRUARY 6th.
12:31:41 THANK YOU.
12:31:41 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:31:44 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:31:46 ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED?
12:31:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:31:50 IN REGARD TO THE BARKING ISSUE, THE DISABLED OR
12:31:53 HANDICAPPED PARKING ISSUE, PERHAPS A COMPROMISE IS IN
12:32:00 ORDER ESPECIALLY WITH THE FINANCIAL CONCERNS THAT SOME
12:32:02 COUNCIL MEMBERS EXPRESSED, AS WELL AS STAFF.
12:32:06 SO I WOULD MOVE THAT WE WOULD DIRECT LEGAL STAFF TO
12:32:10 CREATE A PROVISION IN CHAPTER 15 THAT WOULD EXTEND THE
12:32:14 OPPORTUNITY FOR HANDICAPPED PARKING TO SIX HOURS BY
12:32:18 DISABLED.
12:32:19 I AGREE, I THINK IF SOMEBODY NEEDS EIGHT HOURS, THAT
12:32:23 PROBABLY MEANS THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME JOB DOWNTOWN, MAYBE
12:32:28 THE ON-STREET PARKING IS FLOAT THE BEST SOLUTION.
12:32:30 BUT IN REGARD TO SOME MORE TEMPORARY-TYPE PARKING IF THEY
12:32:36 HAVE TO GO TO COURT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I BELIEVE SIX
12:32:39 HOURS BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD FROM THE
12:32:41 GENTLEMAN A FEW WEEKS AGO, SIX HOURS MIGHT BE MORE
12:32:44 APPROPRIATE THAN THE FOUR.
12:32:45 >> SECOND.
12:32:49 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR?
12:32:51 >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD YOU ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO
12:32:53 ASK SOMEONE FROM BUDGETING OR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO JUST
12:32:56 GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON WHERE THEY WOULD FIND THE
12:32:59 600,000?
12:33:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS
12:33:04 THAT WOULD SAY WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT $600 THAT YOU
12:33:09 FIGURE.
12:33:09 AND I THINK THAT IT HAS -- YOU KNOW, I MEAN --
12:33:22 >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A PRAISING PLAN WAS
12:33:24 DONE FOR PARKING?
12:33:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON-STREET PARKING?
12:33:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE] MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE
12:33:34 WAS PARKING DONE BY THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP --
12:33:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S TRUE, I DON'T THINK WE
12:33:45 RESPONDED TO IT YET.
12:33:46 >>LUIS VIERA: AND WAS THAT NUMBER FOR SIX HOURS OR EIGHT
12:33:52 HOURS?
12:33:52 IT WAS FOR SIX.
12:34:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK IT HAD SOME ISSUES.
12:34:03 YES, MA'AM.
12:34:04 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD, AND I
12:34:06 BELIEVE MR. SIMPSON TOUCHED ON THIS, THAT COUNCIL IS
12:34:09 LOOKING AT SOME OTHER POSSIBLE CHANGES TO CHAPTER 15.
12:34:13 15 RELATED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, PARKING OF BOATS ON
12:34:15 RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
12:34:17 SO IF WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING ANY CHANGE TO CHAPTER 15
12:34:21 TO EXTEND THE HOURS FOR THE HANDICAPPED PARKING, WE WOULD
12:34:24 LIKE TO LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER.
12:34:26 I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT TIME FRAME WOULD BE NEEDED BUT
12:34:29 I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
12:34:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
12:34:34 HE DIDN'T GIVE AN INDICATION OF TIMING HIMSELF, I DON'T
12:34:36 THINK.
12:34:40 AGAIN, LET'S SAY JANUARY.
12:34:43 GIVE EVERYBODY PLENTY OF TIME TO DIGEST IT AND MAYBE WE
12:34:47 CAN WORK ON THE FINANCIAL PART OF BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AS
12:34:50 WELL.
12:34:53 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT TO GET IN A LONG CONVERSATION, BUT
12:34:56 ANOTHER PARKING PIECE THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO CHIEF
12:34:58 OF STAFF ABOUT IS THE RESIDENTS IN LOTS OF PARTS OF THE
12:35:03 CITY PARTICULARLY AROUND THE AREA WORRIED ABOUT PARKING
12:35:07 AND ALSO THE RESPONSE TO PARKING VIOLATIONS RIGHT NOW,
12:35:12 OUTSIDE OF YBOR AND DOWNTOWN, THE POLICE HAVE TO RESPOND.
12:35:15 AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT AND SHOULDN'T BE A OPERATOR FOR
12:35:18 POLICE TO COME TICKET CARS WHEN THEY HAVE OTHER MORE
12:35:22 IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO.
12:35:23 SO TALKING TO CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT MAYBE EXPANDING
12:35:25 PARKING ENFORCEMENT TO OTHER AREAS, MAKING OTHER AREAS
12:35:29 AND MAKING IT SELF-FUNDING.
12:35:31 BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME OTHER PARTS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO
12:35:34 COME INTO MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO.
12:35:37 BULL BY JANUARY HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THE ANSWERS.
12:35:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION WOULD BE JANUARY 23rd,
12:35:43 THAT LEGAL COME BACK WITH THAT DRAFT ORDINANCE, AND
12:35:47 OBVIOUSLY TWEAK IT, APPROVE IT OR KILL IT A IT THAT
12:35:51 POINT.
12:35:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE THE KINDNESS OF THE
12:35:58 REMARKS THAT MR. DINGFELDER BRINGS UP.
12:36:00 AND I AM NOT PREPARED TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT I DON'T
12:36:02 KNOW HOW MANY HANDICAPPED PERSONS WE HAVE WORKING IN
12:36:05 DOWNTOWN.
12:36:05 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HANDICAPPED PERSONS WE HAVE WORKING
12:36:08 THAT ARE PART TIME OR FULL TIME.
12:36:09 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY VIOLATORS THERE ARE THAT ARE
12:36:12 GETTING THE PERMIT.
12:36:14 YOU WALK TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND MOST OF THEM NEED IT.
12:36:18 DON'T GET ME WRONG.
12:36:19 BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE I SEE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THEY
12:36:25 ARE JUST AS HEALTHY AS ANYBODY CAN BE AND THEY HAVE A
12:36:27 HANDICAPPED STICKER.
12:36:29 THEY USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S CAR.
12:36:30 AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RAMPANT.
12:36:33 BUT I AM SAYING I HAVE GOT TO KNOW ALL THE FACTS BEFORE I
12:36:35 GO AFTER A DEPARTMENT.
12:36:37 I PAY MONEY TO THE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S LOSS OF ALL THE
12:36:44 MONEY SOUTH OF -- I MEAN, KENNEDY BOULEVARD, AT A CERTAIN
12:36:51 DAY, SO MANY DAYS A WEAK, HOW MUCH MORE IS THE DEPARTMENT
12:36:55 GOING TO TAKE IF WE CHANGE THE RULES?
12:36:58 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:37:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, I TOTALLY RESPECT YOUR
12:37:02 COMMENTS.
12:37:03 THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IS BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY,
12:37:08 PERHAPS A LOT OF THOSE FACTS AND ISSUES CAN BE FLUSHED
12:37:10 OUT, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE AGAINST
12:37:13 THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN JANUARY WHEN IT COMES BACK.
12:37:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BEFORE I HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE, I
12:37:20 WANT TO KNOW, IS IT ONE GUY, ONE INDIVIDUAL?
12:37:24 MAYBE 10.
12:37:26 MAYBE FIVE.
12:37:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MAYOR'S COMMITTEE.
12:37:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS HERE OTHER
12:37:34 WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
12:37:36 WHAT IT'S FACTUAL OR NOT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT.
12:37:38 THAT'S WHERE I AM AT.
12:37:40 SO I AM GOING TO VOTE NO.
12:37:42 AND I DON'T MIND BEING ALONE.
12:37:44 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I WILL VOTE YES FOR THE SENTIMENTS BUT
12:37:47 FOR THE OUTLINE OF WHAT'S THERE AND THEN I WILL WAIT TO
12:37:49 SEE WHAT'S IN THERE FROM TERMS OF MY FINAL DECISION.
12:37:53 WE ALL AGREE, I THINK ALL SIX OF US HERE ARE GOOD.
12:37:56 I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO BE FILLED IN.
12:37:58 I WILL VOTE FOR IT.
12:38:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LET'S BUY A LITTLE MORE TIME
12:38:03 THEN AND MY MOTION WILL BE FOR FEBRUARY 20th.
12:38:06 PERHAPS BETWEEN THEN MAYBE THE COMMITTEE, THE MAYOR'S
12:38:10 COMMITTEE, CAN COME UP WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION.
12:38:12 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:38:14 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:38:16 >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:38:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT AT THIS TIME BUT EVERYBODY CAN
12:38:23 EXPLORE THOSE ISSUES ON THEIR OWN.
12:38:28 >>LUIS VIERA: ALL IN FAVOR?
12:38:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO VOTE IN A ONLY BECAUSE
12:38:33 I HAVE IN A FACTS ON THIS.
12:38:34 >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:38:37 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:38:38 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
12:38:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:38:42 IN REGARD TO THE UNDERGROUNDING ORDINANCE, THE RESILIENCY
12:38:49 ISSUE AND THE COUNTY HAS A VERY VIABLE ORDINANCE.
12:38:55 AGAIN AS I SPOKE TO YOU EARLIER, I THINK IT'S
12:38:58 SELF-DETERMINATION, THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO GET
12:39:01 INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, IT'S A VERY LENGTHY AND
12:39:04 EXPENSIVE PROCESS.
12:39:05 BUT CERTAINLY NEIGHBORHOODS MIGHT FEEL VERY STRONGLY
12:39:07 ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING.
12:39:08 AND I THINK THAT IT'S UP TO THE CITY TO WORK WITH TECO
12:39:12 AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR CONCERNS
12:39:16 ABOUT OVERHEAD POWER LINES VERSUS UNDERGROUNDING.
12:39:19 SO LAKE I SAID, PASS THE ORDINANCE, DOESN'T COST
12:39:24 ANYTHING, AND IF WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS, THEN
12:39:28 DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADDRESS THE EXPENSE, THE
12:39:34 POTENTIAL EXPENSES DOWN THE ROAD.
12:39:37 SO WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT LEGAL
12:39:42 STAFF TO A GREAT EXTENT MIMIC THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE,
12:39:48 DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT, AND WE CAN TWEAK IT UP.
12:39:51 IN REGARD TO THE POSSIBILITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS
12:39:55 UNDERGROUNDING THEIR OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
12:39:58 AND THAT WOULD BE AGAIN I WILL GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF
12:40:02 TIME, TILL FEBRUARY 20th.
12:40:04 I'LL MAKE THAT THE 6th.
12:40:07 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:40:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT IT BASED ON THE
12:40:10 FACTS, THE COUNTY ORDINANCE, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE I
12:40:14 THINK SOMETHING LIKE 67% OF THE VOTE AND THEN IT GOES UP
12:40:18 TO 75%. MAYBE AT THE END YOU HAVE ANOTHER VOTE GOING, IF
12:40:22 I RECALL THE ORDINANCE.
12:40:23 AND IT'S ABOUT $673 HOUSEHOLD A YEAR, AND THIS IS DANA
12:40:28 SHORES, THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS IT IF I RECALL READ IT AND
12:40:32 THAT'S GOING TO COST 20 YEARS ABOUT $12,500 PER HOUSE.
12:40:37 IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, THEY CAN DO IT.
12:40:39 LET THEM PAY FOR IT.
12:40:41 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:40:43 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:40:45 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:40:46 ANY OPPOSED?
12:40:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST ONE HOPEFULLY WITHOUT
12:40:51 CONTROVERSY IS JAMES HAMMOND WAS AN AMAZING ACTIVIST, AND
12:40:58 INDIVIDUAL IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
12:41:02 I AM GOING TO REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION EXPLORE AN
12:41:07 APPROPRIATE NAMING OF A FACILITY AND/OR A STREET AND ASK
12:41:14 FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK FROM THE CITY
12:41:16 ADMINISTRATION TO PROPERLY HONOR MR. HAMMOND WHO PASSED
12:41:23 AWAY, I THINK, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
12:41:25 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:41:28 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:41:30 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:41:31 ANY OPPOSED?
12:41:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND IF SOMEBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I
12:41:33 HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION.
12:41:37 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU SIR.
12:41:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING.
12:41:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST BRIEFLY, I WANT TO THANK THE --
12:41:45 CONGRATULATE THE MONTREAL RAYS -- EXCUSE ME, TAMPA BAY
12:41:51 RAYS FOR WINNING THEIR GAME LAST NIGHT AND ADVANCING IN
12:41:54 THE FURTHER INTO PLAYOFFS.
12:41:55 I ALSO WANT TO PUBLICLY THANK SONYA, COUNCILMAN GUDES
12:42:01 AID, FOR THESE LOVELY PINK RIBBONS.
12:42:04 AND I HOPE I CAN SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL THAT WE STAND IN
12:42:07 SOLIDARITY WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUFFERED WITH
12:42:09 BREAST CANCER, THE SURVIVORS.
12:42:12 AND ALSO WE STAND IN SUPPORT OF OCTOBER BEING BREAST
12:42:16 CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.
12:42:17 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:42:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE NOTHING THIS WEEK.
12:42:20 BE PREPARED FOR NEXT TIME.
12:42:29 >>BILL CARLSON: NOTHING.
12:42:38 I HAVE SOMETHING FOR NEXT WEEK.
12:42:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:42:41 YOU APOLOGIZE.
12:42:41 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
12:42:46 I HAVE SO MANY.
12:42:47 THANK YOU.
12:42:50 MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE ADDENDUM, AN E-MAIL FROM
12:42:54 JEFFREY SHANNON REQUESTING TO REVIEW HEARING SCHEDULED
12:42:57 OCTOBER 17th ON THE PETITION OF THE RESCHEDULED --
12:43:03 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:43:04 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
12:43:07 ANY OPPOSED?
12:43:07 >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:43:12 >>LUIS VIERA: 10:30 A.M. AND MOTION FOR COMMENDATION FOR
12:43:15 SAFE AND SOUND HILLSBOROUGH TO BE PRESENTED BEFORE
12:43:18 COUNCIL AT NOVEMBER 7th CITY COUNCIL TO REDUCE
12:43:22 VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
12:43:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY CHAIRMAN VIERA.
12:43:25 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:43:27 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:43:29 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I MOTION TO MOVE THAT THE PRESENTATION
12:43:30 BY UNIVERSITY AREA CDC BE MOVED FROM OCTOBER 17th TO
12:43:34 NOVEMBER 21ST. THAT DAY WE ARE HAVING TAMPA INNOVATION
12:43:38 WITH MARK SHARPE'S GROUP AND THAT'S REDUNDANT.
12:43:41 >> MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN VIERA WITH SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
12:43:46 CITRO.
12:43:47 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:43:48 >>LUIS VIERA: I MOTION THAT THIS SUNDAY I BELIEVE VIVA
12:43:51 TAMPA BAY FESTIVAL THAT WE GIVE THEM A CITY COUNCIL
12:43:53 COMMENDATION.
12:43:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
12:43:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:43:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:44:02 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF WE DO THAT, EVERYBODY IS WELCOME FOR
12:44:06 THAT.
12:44:06 THEN THE LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I WOULD MOTION FOR
12:44:12 THE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING FEDERAL LEGISLATION BANNING THE
12:44:15 USE OF ASSAULT WEAPONS WITH HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES AS TO
12:44:19 BE DETAILED IN THE RESOLUTION.
12:44:20 >> SECOND.
12:44:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH A QUESTION FROM MR. SHELBY.
12:44:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO -- YOU ARE
12:44:28 ASKING --
12:44:31 >>LUIS VIERA: TWO WEEKS.
12:44:32 OCTOBER 17th.
12:44:33 AGAIN A MOTION FOR THAT, THE RESOLUTION WILL BE HERE FOR
12:44:36 MY COLLEAGUES' INSPECTION AND REVIEW.
12:44:38 >> MOTION BY CHAIRMAN VIERA WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
12:44:45 CITRO.
12:44:47 >>LUIS VIERA: AND WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT MS. GRIMES
12:44:49 SUGGESTED ON THE ISSUE OF PREEMPTION.
12:44:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE WHEREAS CLAUSE.
12:44:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I STILL SECOND.
12:44:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:44:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:45:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE MS. COYLE HAD A REQUEST FOR A
12:45:06 PARTICULAR DATE FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:45:11 THE NEXT CYCLE.
12:45:15 >>CATHERINE COYLE: YES.
12:45:15 I SENT A MEMO REQUEST, I BELIEVE, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
12:45:18 I HAVEN'T SEEN IT PLACED ON THE AGENDA OR ON THE CALENDAR
12:45:22 YET.
12:45:22 THE JULY CYCLE CODE AMENDMENTS.
12:45:24 THE LAST WORKSHOP AVAILABLE IS OCTOBER 24th.
12:45:26 THERE'S ONLY ONE PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT.
12:45:28 AND JUST A VERY SHORT LIST OF CLEAN-UP ITEMS THAT ARE
12:45:33 PUBLIC AMENDMENTS.
12:45:34 I DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT DATE AND HAVE TO PUSH IT ALL
12:45:36 THE WAY TO JANUARY, IF WE COULD ADD THAT.
12:45:40 I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING.
12:45:43 OCTOBER 24th.
12:45:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OCTOBER 24th?
12:45:49 >>CATHERINE COYLE: YES.
12:45:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE WAS AN ITEM, I CAN'T REMEMBER
12:45:51 HOW THE TIMING WORKS OUT, HAD TO DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN
12:45:53 CODE.
12:45:56 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE ONE I AM TALKING ABOUT?
12:46:00 >>CATHERINE COYLE: IT IS NOT OCTOBER 24th.
12:46:04 OH, THAT MOTION?
12:46:05 THAT WOULD BE ON THE JANUARY CYCLE.
12:46:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:46:09 SO WHICH WOULD --
12:46:14 >>CATHERINE COYLE: WHEN WE SAY JANUARY AND JULY IT'S
12:46:16 BASED ON THE DEADLINE.
12:46:17 JULY 15th WAS THE DEADLINE FOR THE JULY CYCLE AND WE
12:46:20 PROCESS.
12:46:20 SO WE WORK THEM THROUGH, HAVE EVERYTHING REVIEWED
12:46:23 INTERNALLY, COME TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU TRANSMIT TO THE
12:46:25 PLANNING COMMISSION, AND IT COMES BACK.
12:46:29 THE END OF THE YEAR FOR EACH CYCLE OR MIDYEAR, JANUARY
12:46:32 CYCLE.
12:46:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:46:33 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
12:46:38 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:46:40 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
12:46:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9 A.M.?
12:46:45 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:46:47 THANK YOU.
12:46:47 AND IF I MAY, MY LAST RESOLUTION IS --
12:46:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIR, I GOT A NOTE.
12:46:59 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR NOT.
12:47:04 MR. MIRANDA BROUGHT IT.
12:47:06 THIS RELATES TO MR. MIRANDA AND THIS IDEA ABOUT STREETS
12:47:09 CLOSING FOR MORE THAN NINETY DAYS AND APPARENTLY THAT
12:47:13 ISSUE IS KIND OF FLOATING OUT THERE.
12:47:16 I WILL DO IT NEXT MEETING.
12:47:17 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:47:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, COUNCIL, PLEASE BE REMINDED
12:47:21 THAT NEXT WEEK AFTER THE CRA WILL BE THE TWO-HOUR
12:47:26 WORKSHOP ON THE CODE OF ETHICS FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS.
12:47:31 FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ATTORNEYS, THE FLORIDA BAR HAS
12:47:36 APPROVED TWO HOURS OF CLE, TWO HOURS OF ETHICS, AND I
12:47:40 BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE HAS BEEN APPRISED OF
12:47:46 THAT.
12:47:46 IF THERE ARE ANY ATTORNEYS WHO NEED ADDITIONAL CONTINUING
12:47:48 LEGAL EDUCATION.
12:47:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO REFER TO YOU AS PROFESSOR?
12:47:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
12:47:54 BUT I WOULD PREFER IF EVERYBODY WAS HERE, THAT WOULD BE
12:47:57 NICE.
12:47:58 WITH THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
12:48:01 NUMBER ONE, THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITY COUNCIL.
12:48:05 SET AS A WORKSHOP BUT NOT REALLY A WORKSHOP.
12:48:08 IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WILL BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC
12:48:09 COMMENT AND THERE WILL BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR NEW
12:48:12 BUSINESS, AND FRANKLY, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OFFICIAL
12:48:17 BUSINESS SET, I AM RECOMMENDING THAT THIS NOT BE
12:48:21 TELEVISED.
12:48:21 IT WILL BE RECORDED AND AVAILABLE, BUT IT WILL NOT BE
12:48:24 BROADCAST.
12:48:25 AND IT'S PART OF THE CYCLE OF REPLAYS.
12:48:29 SO WHY IS THAT?
12:48:30 FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
12:48:32 AND FIRST OF ALL, IT DOESN'T RELATE SPECIFICALLY TO CITY
12:48:36 BUSINESS.
12:48:37 SECONDLY, I AM KNOW IT AWARE OF ANY OTHER JURISDICTION
12:48:40 THAT WHEN THEY DO THIS THEY DO NOTICE IT BUT THEY DON'T
12:48:43 TELEVISE IT AND BROADCAST IT.
12:48:45 IT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITY COUNCIL TO
12:48:47 COMPLY WITH FLORIDA LAW AND IT WOULD ALSO EFFECTIVELY
12:48:50 PLAY ON OTHER MATTERS. WE ALSO HAVE THE CRA ADDITIONAL
12:48:54 WORKSHOP HAS BEEN SET.
12:48:56 NORMALLY, IT COULD HAVE BEEN SET AS A SPECIAL DISCUSSION
12:48:58 MEETING AND NOT DONE IN THIS ROOM FRANKLY.
12:49:01 BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE COULD TAKE THE
12:49:04 OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY CLE CREDIT FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT,
12:49:08 AND TO HAVE THE AUDIO VISUAL, FRANKLY, THIS IS THE ONLY
12:49:14 CASE IN THE PLACE IN THE CITY THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE IT.
12:49:18 SO IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION IT NOT BE TELEVISED.
12:49:21 FRANKLY, I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TODAY TO ALLOW ALL THESE
12:49:24 THINGS TO HAPPEN.
12:49:26 YOU CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.
12:49:28 YOU CAN EITHER SET A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING, OR JUST
12:49:31 A MOTION TO WAIVE THE WORKSHOP.
12:49:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I AGREE,
12:49:43 IT'S A TRAINING SESSION FOR US.
12:49:45 IT'S AN INFORMATIVE SESSION FOR US.
12:49:47 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD
12:49:58 BE VERY INTERESTED AND WHAT THE STATE ETHICAL RULES ARE,
12:50:01 THE RULES ARE THAT CONTROL US, PUBLIC RECORDS, SUNSHINE,
12:50:04 YOU KNOW, WHY WE CAN'T TALK TO THEM ABOUT ZONING ISSUES
12:50:07 WHEN WE MEET WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE RUN INTO AT
12:50:11 PUBLIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
12:50:12 ALL THOSE TYPES MUCH THINGS I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT
12:50:14 FOR THE PUBLIC TO LEARN BECAUSE THAT WAY THEY CAN BETTER
12:50:16 UNDERSTAND OUR JOB AND OUR ROLE FROM THIS SYSTEM.
12:50:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT AN OVERVIEW
12:50:25 CREATED FOR THE PUBLIC OF THE -- BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
12:50:28 WE GET DOWN INTO THE MINUTIA.
12:50:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY CAN CHANGE THE CHANNEL.
12:50:34 IT FEELS LAKE WE ARE HIDING SOMETHING.
12:50:36 I MEAN, WHY SHOULD WE --
12:50:40 >>LUIS VIERA: IS IT GOING TO BE RECORDED?
12:50:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS GOING TO BE RECORDED.
12:50:44 I AM FINE EITHER WAY.
12:50:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S GOING TO BE RECORDED SO WE ARE
12:50:47 MAKING A SPECIAL EFFORT NOT TO TELL VASE IT, MR. CITRO?
12:50:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ACTUALLY IT'S NOT A SPECIAL EFFORT TO
12:50:53 NOT TELEVISE IT FRANKLY.
12:50:54 IT'S TWO FOLD.
12:50:59 NUMBER ONE, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS, THAT'S FINE.
12:51:02 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, ARE YOU CREATING AN EXPECTATION
12:51:05 ON THE PUBLIC'S PART THAT ANNUALLY YOU WILL TELL VASE ALL
12:51:10 OF THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE?
12:51:11 THAT'S A CONCERN THAT YOU ARE SETTING A PRECEDENT.
12:51:14 NO OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO MY KNOWLEDGE -- AND I HAVE DONE
12:51:17 SEVERAL OF THESE, AND I COULD DO RESEARCH -- I DON'T KNOW
12:51:20 WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY POST
12:51:23 IT, THEY HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM, AND THEY DO IT FOR THE
12:51:25 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:51:26 AND SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S A LEAGUE OF CITIES, FOR INSTANCE,
12:51:30 I AM DIAGNOSE ONE IN NOVEMBER IN ORLANDO FOR THE FLORIDA
12:51:33 LEAGUE OF CITIES.
12:51:34 PEOPLE ATTEND THAT.
12:51:36 BUT THERE IS NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
12:51:40 THE PUBLIC ---IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
12:51:42 THEY ARE ABLE TO ATTEND IT.
12:51:44 BUT IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE IT TELEVISED, IT WOULD BE
12:51:47 MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO DO IT.
12:51:49 BUT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO FOR THE SAKE OF INFORMING THE
12:51:52 PUBLIC AS TO THE ARCANE RECALLS --
12:51:55 >> IF THERE'S NO MOTION WILL IT BE TELEVISED?
12:51:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THERE IS NO MOTION?
12:52:02 NORMALLY, IT WOULD BE UNLESS -- I THINK THE BEST
12:52:05 PRACTICE -- THE CHAIR MAKES THAT DECISION.
12:52:10 BUT I THINK THE BEST PRACTICE IS FOR COUNCIL.
12:52:12 >>LUIS VIERA: ON MY END, WHETHER IT'S TELEVISED OR
12:52:16 RECORDED, I HAVE NO STRONG POSITION EITHER WAY TO BE
12:52:19 QUITE FRANK.
12:52:20 I DON'T THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE TUNING IN ON THIS
12:52:23 ONE.
12:52:23 BUT IF COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS ARGUMENTS TO THE
12:52:27 CONTRARY THAT COULD PERSUADE US, YOU KNOW.
12:52:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THE OTHER THING JUST FOR ME, I HAVE
12:52:34 TO BE PREPARED IF IT'S GOING TO BE TELEVISED BECAUSE I
12:52:36 HAVE TO WORK WITH THE CABLE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO KNOW
12:52:39 EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE BROADCAST TO THE PUBLIC,
12:52:41 WHETHER THE AUDIO VISUAL WORKS FROM HERE.
12:52:45 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN IT BE RECORDED AND TELEVISED AT THE
12:52:47 LATER TIME SO WE CAN AVOID THAT?
12:52:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW.
12:52:51 I SPOKE WITH MR. DEA IN THE CABLE DEPARTMENT AND JUST
12:52:54 INFORMED HIM, THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY IT WOULD BE
12:52:58 TELEVISED WORKS THAT BE AN ISSUE, A AND HE SAID WE BE
12:53:02 ABLE TO COMPLY.
12:53:03 I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A LONG ISSUE ABOUT IT.
12:53:05 IF COUNCIL WANTS IT TELEVISED, THAT'S FINE.
12:53:08 IF COUNCIL FEELS -- THERE'S CERTAINLY NOTHING TO HIDE.
12:53:14 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK WE NEVER SHOULD USE THE WORD
12:53:17 INTERNAL, BUT IT'S OUR OWN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS THAT WE
12:53:20 ARE DOING.
12:53:21 IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE.
12:53:24 I THINK TO TELEVISE IT, I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEED.
12:53:27 AGAIN, I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
12:53:30 IT'S NOT LIKE I AM BANGING MY FIST SAYING SO.
12:53:33 I DON'T FRANKLY SEE THE NEED TO DO IT.
12:53:36 THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
12:53:37 IT'S BEING RECORDED.
12:53:38 ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SEE IT MAY DO SO.
12:53:41 THEY CAN GET IT HERE, RENT IT AT BLOCKBUSTER, WHATEVER
12:53:44 THEY WANT.
12:53:45 BUT OTHER WAYS --
12:53:47 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:53:50 >> WHAT YEAR ARE YOU IN?
12:53:54 >>LUIS VIERA: BUT IF FURTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO TRY
12:53:56 TO CONVINCE US, THAT'S FINE, YOU KNOW.
12:54:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NETFLIX NOW YOU THINK?
12:54:03 >>LUIS VIERA: MAYBE.
12:54:03 WHO KNOWS?
12:54:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STREAM IT LIVE.
12:54:06 I DON'T KNOW.
12:54:07 WE ARE DOWN TO FOUR MEMBERS.
12:54:09 WE ARE GOING TO DEADLOCK ON SOME CRITICAL VOTE HERE.
12:54:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LESS THAN FIVE.
12:54:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, EXCEPT
12:54:27 FOR THAT UNUSUAL WATER TOUR, OKAY, AND OUR FIVE OR SIX
12:54:33 MONTHS BACK HERE, WE DON'T MEET AND DISCUSS, OR DO
12:54:37 ANYTHING THAT'S NOT.
12:54:42 AND THAT'S A PART THAT CONCERNS ME.
12:54:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS NOT TELEVISED EITHER.
12:54:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW.
12:54:48 I AM SAYING EXCEPT FOR THAT WATER TOUR WHICH FRANKLY HAD
12:54:51 SEVERE LOGISTICAL ISSUES IN TERMS OF BEING TELEVISED AND
12:54:54 EVERYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE OF LOUD MOTORS AND LOTS OF
12:54:57 DISTANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
12:55:00 EXCEPT FOR THAT, WE DON'T.
12:55:01 SO IT'S DON'T KNOW WHAT IF NEED IS.
12:55:05 AND I HEAR YOU.
12:55:07 YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S NOT PRECEDENT AROUND THE
12:55:09 STATE AND YADA YADA YADA.
12:55:11 BUT I THINK THE CITY RESIDENTS EXPECT THAT IF WE ARE
12:55:14 GOING TO MEET AND CHAT ABOUT THINGS THAT IT'S TELEVISED.
12:55:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CHAT ABOUT THINGS.
12:55:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
12:55:24 WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS?
12:55:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
12:55:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE ASK YOU ABOUT QUESTIONS ABOUT
12:55:30 THE ETHICS RECALLS OR THE SUNSHINE RULES.
12:55:32 WHY SHOULDN'T THAT BE TELEVISED?
12:55:36 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE NEED TO HAVE FIVE MEMBERS TO EVEN
12:55:38 VOTE ON IN?
12:55:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANY OF THE FOREGOING -- THAT TAKES A
12:55:45 MAJORITY VOTE SO I MISREAD IT.
12:55:47 BUT YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTE OF FOUR IT WON'T PASS.
12:55:53 HERE IS MY ISSUE.
12:55:54 AND I AM GOING TO BE VERY BLUNT ABOUT THIS.
12:55:58 FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN CITY COUNCIL FOREIGN, THIS HAS
12:56:01 BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE I BELIEVE 2013, OR 2015.
12:56:05 I BELIEVE IT'S 2015.
12:56:08 CITY COUNCIL, EACH INDIVIDUAL CITY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A
12:56:10 LEGAL OBLIGATION UNDER FLORIDA LAW TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE
12:56:15 ANNUALLY ON A CALENDAR YEAR FOUR HOURS OF TRAINING, TWO
12:56:19 HOURS OF THE CODE OF ETHICS, ONE HOUR OF PUBLIC MEETINGS,
12:56:22 ONE HOUR OF PUBLIC RECORDS.
12:56:24 THAT'S EACH OF YOUR INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITIES.
12:56:26 THE FOLLOWING JULY, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO A TEST TO THE
12:56:32 FACT THAT YOU DID THAT IF PREVIOUS CALENDAR YEAR.
12:56:34 IN YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE SINCE THAT LAW HAS
12:56:36 BEEN PASSED IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT FOR CITY COUNCIL
12:56:38 TO AGREE TO SIT FOR FOUR HOURS OVER ANY GIVEN TIME TO BE
12:56:42 ABLE TO DO THAT.
12:56:44 THIS YEAR, WE ARE COMING UP IN OCTOBER, AND THERE ARE I
12:56:47 BELIEVE PERHAPS SOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE YET TO
12:56:50 DO IT.
12:56:51 I WANTED TO DO IT AS THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY TO DO IT IN
12:56:54 THE WAY THAT I HAVE DONE IT REPEATEDLY FOR OTHER
12:56:57 JURISDICTIONS, AND THAT IS WITH A NOTICED PUBLIC MEETING,
12:57:01 PERHAPS EVEN OFF-SITE, NOT IN CHAMBERS, NOT TELEVISED, IN
12:57:05 A WAY THAT IT'S JUST DOING -- IT'S CITY COUNCIL'S LEGAL
12:57:09 OBLIGATION, NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OR NEED OF THE PUBLIC,
12:57:13 THEY ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND.
12:57:14 IT'S AN OPEN MEETING.
12:57:16 IT'S NOTICED.
12:57:17 BUT THE LOGISTICS OF THIS CITY, AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES
12:57:20 THAT I HAVE BEEN TO, THERE HAVE BEEN ALTERNATIVE
12:57:22 LOCATIONS WHERE SUCH A MEETING CAN TAKE PLACE.
12:57:25 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THAT'S FINE.
12:57:27 THINK THIS IS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
12:57:29 LET ME HEAR FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:57:32 HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS?
12:57:36 I'M AGNOSTIC.
12:57:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T MIND SITTING FOR FOUR HOURS.
12:57:41 BUT TELEVISED OR NOT, IT'S BEING RECORDED AND ANYBODY CAN
12:57:44 REQUEST A COPY OF THAT RECORDING.
12:57:49 I THINK IT'S THERE.
12:57:50 IT'S DOCUMENTED.
12:57:52 IT'S TRANSCRIBED WITH CLOSED CAPTIONING AND EVERYTHING.
12:57:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MY ONLY THOUGHT IS, WE HAVE A MEETING
12:58:01 FOR CRA.
12:58:02 WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GOING TO LAST.
12:58:04 WE DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK.
12:58:08 SO MY POINT IS THE LOGISTICS OF IT.
12:58:11 WHEN DO WE TELL THE PEOPLE TO TUNE IN?
12:58:13 EXCUSE ME, WHEN DO WE TELL THE CITIZENS TO TUNE IN?
12:58:17 HOW DO WE KNOW TIME AND HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO LAST?
12:58:19 MY OPINION IS LET'S RECORD IT THEN GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON
12:58:24 CTTV AND LET THE PEOPLE WATCH IT.
12:58:26 I'M SURE WE ARE GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO
12:58:29 BE THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS BY THE CITIZENS.
12:58:31 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, THERE IT IS.
12:58:33 WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE.
12:58:34 THERE YOU GO.
12:58:35 SO I THINK THAT IS A DISPOSITIVE ISSUE KIND OF TAKES IT
12:58:39 DOWN.
12:58:40 ANYTIME FURTHER ON THIS POINT?
12:58:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
12:58:44 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO,
12:58:47 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
12:58:53 ANY OPPOSED?
12:58:54 COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED.
12:58:55 THANK YOU.
12:58:57 (COUNCIL ADJOURNED.)
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