CRA MEETING
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2019
9:00 A.M.
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09:01:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE CRA REGULAR MEETING, OCTOBER 10th, IS
09:01:37 NOW IN SESSION.
09:01:40 WHO HAS INVOCATION TODAY?
09:01:46 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:01:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:01:51 IT IS MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO WELCOME VICTOR DEMAIO TO
09:01:56 GIVE THE INVOCATION.
09:01:57 HE'S NO STRANGER TO TAMPA CITY HALL.
09:02:00 HIS FAMILY IS A WELL-RESPECTED LONG-TIME FAMILY.
09:02:03 HIS FATHER AND MOTHER ALWAYS VERY, VERY INVOLVED.
09:02:06 AS A KID GROWING UP, I WOULD HEAR ONE OF THE NAMES, IF YOU
09:02:09 WANTED ANYTHING DONE, YOU HAD TO GO SEE "BIG VIC" AS THEY
09:02:14 WOULD CALL HIM.
09:02:16 HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE AND ALWAYS VERY INVOLVED AND
09:02:18 DEDICATED HIMSELF TO ALWAYS GIVING BACK AND HELPING ANYONE
09:02:21 HE COULD IN NEED.
09:02:22 VERY GOOD REPUTATION.
09:02:23 VERY WELL RESPECTED.
09:02:25 WE HAVE HIS SON VICTOR RUDY DEMAIO HERE TO GIVE THE
09:02:31 INVOCATION.
09:02:31 IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE
09:02:34 OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:02:35 THANK YOU.
09:02:36 >> I AM CATHOLIC, BUT IN HONOR OF YOM KIPPUR, WHICH JUST
09:02:39 HAPPENED YESTERDAY, I HAVE MALKA ISAAK HERE AS WELL.
09:02:43 EVEN THOUGH I WILL GIVE THIS IN A CATHOLIC VERSION, I WANT
09:02:47 TO RECOGNIZE OUR FRIENDS IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY SINCE WE
09:02:50 ARE ON THE TAIL END OF THE YOM KIPPUR CELEBRATION.
09:02:53 TO ALL MY JEWISH FRIENDS, THANK YOU.
09:02:55 TO THE REST OF US, I WANT EVERYBODY TO BOW OUR HEADS IN
09:03:00 PRAYER.
09:03:00 LORD, PLEASE GIVE US STRENGTH TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS
09:03:03 AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS, NOT ONLY FOR OURSELVES AND OUR
09:03:07 FAMILIES BUT FOR ALL THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
09:03:09 MAY YOU GIVE US GRACE AND BLESSINGS AND MAY YOU SEE US
09:03:14 THROUGH THESE TIMES, EVEN THOUGH THINGS ARE PROSPEROUS NOW,
09:03:18 THEY MAY NOT BE THERE ALWAYS.
09:03:19 WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE.
09:03:21 MAY YOU GIVE US GRACE AND BLESSING THROUGH OUR LORD JESUS
09:03:27 CHRIST, AMEN.
09:03:29 THANK YOU.
09:03:31 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:03:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:03:56 >> DINGFELDER?
09:03:57 GUDES?
09:03:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:03:59 >> MANISCALCO?
09:04:00 VIERA?
09:04:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:04:01 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:04:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:04:03 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:04:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:04:05 TODAY, ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 1, FRED HENRY, ARE YOU GOING TO
09:04:19 GIVE THAT TO US TODAY, CHIEF?
09:04:24 >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.
09:04:25 GOOD MORNING, BOARD.
09:04:27 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:04:29 I WAS INFORMED THIS MORNING THAT MR. HENRY COULD NOT MAKE IT
09:04:33 ON SHORT NOTICE.
09:04:34 THE SHORT NOTICE WAS THAT HE COULD NOT MAKE IT.
09:04:37 SO WE WERE GOING TO ROLL RIGHT INTO ITEM 2 AND THEN
09:04:40 MR. HENRY'S REPORT WILL BE COVERED BY THE RESPECTIVE CRA
09:04:44 MANAGER, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
09:04:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOUNDS GOOD.
09:04:47 WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
09:04:48 THAT IS YOU, CHIEF BENNETT.
09:04:49 >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR WEST TAMPA CRA
09:04:53 MANAGER.
09:04:53 >> THANKS, CHIEF.
09:04:54 GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND BOARD.
09:04:58 IF WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION.
09:05:01 SO THIS IS A NEW FORMAT THAT WE'RE STARTING THIS MONTH WITH
09:05:05 YOU ALL, YOUR RESPECTIVE CRA MANAGERS WILL COME UP AND GIVE
09:05:09 A REPORT ON OUR RESPECTIVE AREAS.
09:05:12 IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO COVER THAT
09:05:15 MAY NOT BE ON YOUR REGULAR AGENDA, IF YOU LET US KNOW BEFORE
09:05:18 THE MEETING, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN FOCUS ON DURING THIS PORTION
09:05:23 OF THE MEETING AND I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
09:05:26 SO MOVING FORWARD WITH WEST TAMPA, THE WEST TAMPA CAC IS
09:05:29 HARD AT WORK IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS.
09:05:31 WE HAVE FOUR SUBCOMMITTEES, SPECIAL EVENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE,
09:05:35 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND HOUSING.
09:05:38 OUR HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE IS WORKING ON A PARTNERSHIP WITH
09:05:40 THE CITY'S HOUSING DEPARTMENT ON A REHABILITATION PROGRAM,
09:05:44 SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE ITEM THAT YOU WILL SEE LATER ON IN
09:05:47 THIS AGENDA COMING OUT OF EAST TAMPA.
09:05:49 OUR SPECIAL EVENTS SUBCOMMITTEE CONTINUES TO EVALUATE
09:05:51 APPLICATIONS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS IN THE WEST TAMPA CRA, AND
09:05:54 WE RECENTLY COMPLETED OUR SECOND ANNUAL CULTURAL FESTIVAL.
09:05:59 OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SUBCOMMITTEE MET JUST LAST NIGHT AND THEY
09:06:02 ARE HARD AT WORK AT TAKING A LOOK AT THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
09:06:06 OUR ECONOMIC SUBCOMMITTEE IS ADDRESSING WORKFORCE
09:06:08 DEVELOPMENT, BROWNFIELDS, MARKETING, AND LOOKING INTO LAND
09:06:12 BANKING.
09:06:13 IN WEST TAMPA, OUR COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT PROGRAM WAS JUST
09:06:16 APPROVED IN APRIL.
09:06:17 SO FAR WE'VE APPROVED THREE GRANTS FOR A LITTLE OVER A
09:06:21 HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, LEVERAGING CLOSE TO $770,000 IN
09:06:25 PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
09:06:26 INDIRECT CRA ACTIVITIES, OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT IS
09:06:31 CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OF THE CYPRESS STREET PHASE ONE
09:06:37 ON CASS STREET.
09:06:38 THE GREEN SPINE, THAT'S ALSO ALONG CASS STREET CONNECTING TO
09:06:45 DOWNTOWN IS DESIGNED AND PREPARING FOR CONSTRUCTION.
09:06:46 THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS UNDERWAY ON CONSTRUCTION ON TWO
09:06:49 PROJECTS, ONE ON THE CORNER OF ROME AND MAIN.
09:06:51 THE RENAISSANCE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE REHABILITATION OF
09:06:53 THE MARY McLEOD BETHUNE HIGH-RISE.
09:06:58 NOTABLE EVENTS IN WEST TAMPA, NEXT WEEK, THIS IS JUST AN
09:07:03 ANNOUNCEMENT.
09:07:04 I HAVE A FLYER HERE.
09:07:07 NEXT WEEK, WE WILL BE HOSTING A WORKSHOP ON HOMESTEAD
09:07:11 EXEMPTIONS AT JULIAN B. LANE RIVERFRONT PARK.
09:07:15 BOB HENRIQUEZ, THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, IS GOING TO LEAD THAT
09:07:20 DISCUSSION FOR US.
09:07:21 LASTLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK CHAIR CITRO, MEMBER GUDES, MEMBER
09:07:25 MANISCALCO FOR COMING OUT AND HELPING US CELEBRATE TWO
09:07:30 GIANTS IN THE WEST TAMPA AREA ON, I GUESS, THAT WAS TWO
09:07:34 SUNDAYS AGO AT OUR UNITY AND CULTURE FESTIVAL.
09:07:39 THESE PICTURES SHOW THE MOOD.
09:07:41 IT WAS HOT BUT A LOT OF SMILING FACES AND WE THINK IT WAS A
09:07:45 SUCCESSFUL EVENT.
09:07:45 MOVING ON TO DREW PARK, THE LARGEST UNDERTAKING.
09:07:50 WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TAMPA BAY
09:07:53 BOULEVARD LINEAR PARK.
09:07:56 CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BEGIN THIS MONTH.
09:07:58 STAFF IS ALSO WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION
09:08:01 DEPARTMENT TO FINALIZE THE SELECTION OF A PROFESSIONAL
09:08:04 SERVICES FIRM TO UPDATE OUR DREW PARK STRATEGIC PLAN.
09:08:09 JUST OUR FACADE GRANT PROGRAM, WE DO CONSIDER SUCCESSFUL IN
09:08:13 DREW PARK.
09:08:13 IT WAS APPROVED IN 2009, ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO.
09:08:17 SO FAR WE'VE APPROVED 39 GRANTS FOR LITTLE OVER $1.1 MILLION
09:08:20 AND WE'VE LEVERAGED 3.6 MILLION IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
09:08:24 INDIRECT ACTIVITIES, HCC COMPLETED THEIR $23 MILLION ALLIED
09:08:31 HEALTH BUILDING.
09:08:31 THERE WAS A GRAND OPENING EVENT THAT MANY OF YOU ATTENDED.
09:08:34 A FEW WEEKS AGO.
09:08:36 THE STADIUM PROJECT IS A LARGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ALONG
09:08:40 DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
09:08:41 CONSISTS OF A NEW RADISSON, NEW ECONO LODGE, TYBEE VET HOTEL
09:08:47 AND VET CLINIC AS WELL AS OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
09:08:51 ACROSS THE STREET FROM DREW PARK, THERE WAS A RIBBON CUTTING
09:08:54 LAST WEEK FOR THE NEW CAE USA BUILDING.
09:08:59 WE'RE HOPEFUL WITH THE NEW FOLKS AND NEW JOBS IN THE AREA
09:09:02 THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN DREW PARK.
09:09:04 AGAIN, NOTABLE EVENTS WAS THE RIBBON CUTTING OF THE ALLIED
09:09:08 HEALTH BUILDING.
09:09:09 I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COURTNEY ORR AND YBOR.
09:09:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN COUNCILMAN
09:09:18 GUDES.
09:09:20 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU, I WENT TO THE CAE
09:09:24 OPENING THE OTHER DAY.
09:09:25 WAS THE CRA INVOLVED IN THAT?
09:09:26 >> NO, THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CRA.
09:09:28 BUT WITH THAT MANY JOBS COMING THAT CLOSE TO OUR CRA, WE'RE
09:09:31 HOPEFUL THAT THEY WILL HELP SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES.
09:09:34 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO THANK WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THE
09:09:36 NEW FORMAT FOR SEPARATING THE DIRECT AND INDIRECT.
09:09:40 IT'S MUCH CLEARER.
09:09:42 THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
09:09:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW WHO CAME UP WITH THE FORMAT.
09:09:45 PROBABLY CHIEF BENNETT CAME UP WITH THE FORMAT.
09:09:48 IT'S A GREAT FORMAT.
09:09:51 WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND LOOK AT.
09:09:54 GREAT JOB TO THE CHIEF AND STAFF.
09:09:56 I ATTENDED THE EVENT.
09:09:58 I KNOW YOU WORK VERY HARD, MALCOLM.
09:10:04 WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.
09:10:05 IT'S HARD TO PUT ON EVENTS SOMETIMES WHERE YOU BELIEVE YOU
09:10:08 GOT A LOT OF HELP AND ONLY A FEW SHOW UP.
09:10:10 I COMMEND YOU FOR THE EFFORTS YOU DID AND FOR THE PEOPLE I
09:10:16 KNOW VERY CLOSELY.
09:10:17 ONE WAS A RELATIVE.
09:10:21 SHE FELT VERY PROUD.
09:10:22 THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR EFFORTS.
09:10:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MALCOLM.
09:10:25 MS. ORR.
09:10:29 >> COURTNEY ORR, CRA MANAGER OF YBOR CITY.
09:10:34 SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS WE HAVE IN THE DIRECT CATEGORY IS
09:10:39 SOMETHING YOU'LL HEAR FURTHER, MORE IN DETAIL ABOUT LATER IN
09:10:42 THE AGENDA, THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM.
09:10:47 WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION AT OUR BOARD MEETING, WHAT THE
09:10:49 GROUP WOULD LIKE TO DO.
09:10:50 THE ONLY SUGGESTION THEY HAD MADE AT THIS TIME WAS THEY
09:10:52 WOULD LIKE FOR THE WAITING PERIOD TO NO LONGER BE 24 MONTHS
09:10:56 BUT TO BE 12 MONTHS.
09:10:57 YOU WILL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT BY MICHELLE LATER IN THE
09:11:00 AGENDA.
09:11:01 BUT WE DID TAKE THAT TO THE BOARD AND THEY WEIGHED IN.
09:11:03 THEY WOULD LIKE THE ONE CHANGE TO BE THE 24 DOWN TO 12-MONTH
09:11:08 WAITING PERIOD.
09:11:09 THE YCDC BOARD DID APPROVE ITS VISION PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN
09:11:13 WORKING ON SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
09:11:15 SO WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THAT TO YOU SHORTLY FOR YOUR REVIEW
09:11:19 AND HOPEFULLY APPROVAL AT THE NOVEMBER 14th MEETING.
09:11:23 AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL REVIEW AND APPROVE AT
09:11:25 ITS NOVEMBER 18th MEETING.
09:11:27 WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A LOT OF AESTHETICS IN THE DISTRICT.
09:11:34 YOU'LL SEE SOME PALM AVENUE MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE
09:11:38 COMPLETED THIS MONTH.
09:11:39 WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON CENTENNIAL PARK WITH ITS
09:11:42 IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND REPLACE THE PALM TREES THAT WEREN'T
09:11:47 LOOKING THAT WELL AND ONE THAT HAD DIED AND WAS GONE.
09:11:51 WE REPLACED THREE PALM TREES.
09:11:53 WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE PARK LOOK SPRUCED UP.
09:11:58 IT'S LOOKING REALLY WELL.
09:12:00 ALSO, WE WERE GIVEN A DONATION FROM THE YBOR CITY ROUNDTABLE
09:12:04 TO IMPROVE THE IMMIGRANT STATUE IN CENTENNIAL PARK.
09:12:08 DUE TO A $10,500 CONTRIBUTION FROM THAT ORGANIZATION, WE'VE
09:12:12 BEEN ABLE TO REPAIR THE IMPERFECTIONS OF THAT STATUE IN
09:12:17 CENTENNIAL PARK.
09:12:18 WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN CONTINUING COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY
09:12:23 OF TAMPA HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
09:12:25 WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A PROGRAM THAT REFLECTS WHAT EAST TAMPA IS
09:12:29 DOING IN REGARD TO THE REHABILITATION PROGRAM.
09:12:34 I WILL BE GOING TO THE BOARD TO DISCUSS INFUSING MONEY INTO
09:12:37 THAT PROGRAM SO THAT WE CAN HELP WITH THE REHABILITATION OF
09:12:41 THE HOMES.
09:12:43 I'M IN DISCUSSIONS WITH VANESSA McCLEARY ON THAT.
09:12:47 HOPEFULLY THAT WILL COME TO YOU IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ONCE
09:12:52 I GET YCDC APPROVAL OF WHERE TO PULL THE MONEY FROM TO
09:12:57 REPURPOSE IN THE PROGRAM.
09:12:58 WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE PARKING AND
09:13:00 FACILITIES STAFF, MAKING SURE THAT OUR GARAGES ARE SAFE AND
09:13:05 WELL MAINTAINED.
09:13:06 WE HAVE NEW CAMERA SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT IN BOTH GARAGES
09:13:10 AND BOTH GARAGE RESTROOMS ARE UNDERWAY WITH IMPROVEMENTS TO
09:13:13 EACH.
09:13:14 WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THEM IN REGARD TO WHAT WE WOULD
09:13:20 LIKE TO PUT MONIES TOWARD FOR FISCAL YEAR '20 FOR PARKING
09:13:24 PROJECTS.
09:13:24 AS FAR AS INDIRECT, THROUGH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND
09:13:34 TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, WE TAKE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE
09:13:37 COMMUNITY AS FAR AS WHAT THEY FEEL MAY BE UNSAFE ROADWAYS,
09:13:41 UNSAFE MULTIWAY STOPS.
09:13:43 SO WE TOOK SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS TO THE PARKING OR
09:13:48 TRANSPORTATION DIVISION, AND THEY'VE BEEN STUDYING SOME OF
09:13:50 THOSE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS WHERE THEY FEEL SOME
09:13:54 OF THE AREAS ARE UNSAFE.
09:13:55 A FEW OF THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED, THAT THEY WARRANTED A
09:13:59 MULTIWAY STOP VERSUS TWO-WAY STOP.
09:14:02 THE COMMUNITY IS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
09:14:04 AS FAR AS OUR OUTREACH TO YBOR STAKEHOLDERS, WE'RE ALWAYS
09:14:12 TALKING WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDER GROUPS, ONE BEING
09:14:14 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY -- THE HILLSBOROUGH COMMUNITY COLLEGE
09:14:18 CAMPUS IN YBOR.
09:14:19 THEY HAVE MANY EVENTS THERE AT THEIR FACILITY, SO WE MET --
09:14:25 THE STAFF MET WITH THE THEATER, DANCE AND ARTS DEPARTMENT TO
09:14:27 HELP FACILITATE COMMUNICATION AND CROSS-PROMOTION OF THE
09:14:31 SHOWCASED EVENTS ON THEIR CAMPUS IN YBOR CITY.
09:14:36 WE'RE EXCITED THAT THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION, THROUGH
09:14:42 SOME FUNDING ASSISTANCE FROM THE YCDC BOARD THAT THEY ARE
09:14:45 GOING TO BE UPGRADING THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
09:14:48 WE'LL STAY ENGAGED WITH THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION AND
09:14:52 THEY'LL ALLOW US HOPEFULLY TO HAVE SOME WEIGH-IN ON THE
09:14:55 DESIGN GUIDELINE PROCESS.
09:14:58 WE HAD A PRESENTATION -- INTERESTING PRESENTATION FROM
09:15:01 MICHAEL MINCBERG, THE OWNER OF SIGHT REALTY.
09:15:05 HE PRESENTED TO PLANNING INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC
09:15:07 DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WITH HIS PROJECTS THAT HE HAS
09:15:11 UNDERWAY, WHICH ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
09:15:13 THERE IS A FOUR-STORY MIXED USE APARTMENT PROJECT WITH 254
09:15:18 UNITS AND 11,500 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
09:15:21 THAT'S JUST OFF OF ADAMO, ACROSS FROM COPPER TAIL.
09:15:24 SO THAT BROKE GROUND A FEW WEEKS AGO.
09:15:27 THERE IS A 7500-SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE BUILDING ALONG 7th
09:15:31 AVENUE WITH A COFFEE HOUSE AND WINE BAR.
09:15:34 THAT GRAND OPENING FOR THE COFFEE HOUSE AND WINE BAR IS
09:15:37 TOMORROW.
09:15:37 IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ATTEND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
09:15:40 THE GRAND OPENING IS ALL DAY LONG.
09:15:43 HOWEVER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE AT THE RIBBON CUTTING, THAT'S
09:15:45 AT 8:30 IN THE MORNING.
09:15:47 IT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK, 20th AND 6th.
09:15:57 >> THANK YOU.
09:15:59 >> HE'S ALSO DONE RENOVATIONS OF 12 DUPLEXES ALONG 12th
09:16:04 AVENUE.
09:16:04 HE CONSIDERED THOSE TO BE ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
09:16:07 HE HAS TARGETED THE SALE POINT AT 170 TO 210.
09:16:15 I DON'T THINK HE SETTLED IN ON A SPECIFIC PRICE YET, BUT HE
09:16:19 DOES CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN ATTAINABLE HOUSING PROJECT AS
09:16:23 WELL AS INFILL OF CASITAS ALONG 4th AVENUE.
09:16:27 AS FAR AS NOTABLE EVENTS, WE'RE PROUD TO SAY THAT THE MORE
09:16:31 IN YBOR CAMPAIGN DID WIN A STATE AWARD AND ANOTHER LOCAL
09:16:35 AWARD.
09:16:36 SO WE'LL BE RECEIVING AT THE CEREMONY, AT THE FLORIDA
09:16:39 REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE ON OCTOBER 17th,
09:16:43 WE'LL BE RECEIVING THAT STATEWIDE AWARD FROM THAT
09:16:46 ORGANIZATION.
09:16:47 AND THEN WE'LL BE ACCEPTING THE LOCAL AWARD AT THE
09:16:52 OCTOBER 29th EVENT AT THE PEPIN CENTER.
09:16:56 SO WE'VE INVITED CRA BOARD TO ATTEND.
09:17:00 IF YOU CAN, WE'D REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
09:17:02 SOMETHING INTERESTING THAT THE ASSOCIATION -- THE
09:17:07 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS STARTED.
09:17:09 THEY JUST DID A SMALL GROUP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT DID A
09:17:13 BICYCLE RIDE THROUGH YBOR CITY IN EAST YBOR.
09:17:17 JUST TO NOTE THINGS THAT STREET LIGHTING, VEGETATION
09:17:22 OVERGROWTH, THE ROADWAYS, SO THEY WENT OUT AND DID A VERY,
09:17:26 VERY SLOW BIKE RIDE TO DOCUMENT THINGS THAT MIGHT NEED
09:17:30 IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO REPORT BACK TO US
09:17:33 SO WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THINGS THAT THEY FOUND ALONG THE
09:17:36 WAY.
09:17:37 I ALREADY MENTIONED TO YOU ABOUT THE IMMIGRANT STATUE THAT
09:17:41 HAS BEEN REPAIRED.
09:17:43 THAT ENDS MY REPORT.
09:17:44 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
09:17:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
09:17:48 I HAVE ONE.
09:17:50 THE BOUGAINVILLEA THAT WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE MEDIANS FROM
09:17:54 PALM AVENUE, WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THEIR PLACE?
09:17:57 >> CAN I GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT?
09:17:59 I DON'T HAVE THE ACT LANDSCAPING INFORMATION WITH ME RIGHT
09:18:03 NOW, BUT I CAN LET YOU KNOW.
09:18:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
09:18:07 THANK YOU.
09:18:07 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:18:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD A BIG MEETING
09:18:15 YESTERDAY.
09:18:16 HOW DID THAT GO.
09:18:17 I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
09:18:20 HOW DID THAT GO?
09:18:22 >> I'M SORRY.
09:18:22 THAT SLIPPED MY MIND.
09:18:23 THE CHAIRPERSONS FROM EACH OF THE CACs WERE INVITED TO
09:18:26 ATTEND WITH EACH OF THE CRA MANAGERS, JUST TO DO A LITTLE
09:18:30 POW-WOW TYPE OF MEETING TO SHARE IDEAS OF WHAT EACH CRA IS
09:18:34 DOING.
09:18:35 AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS LIKE SECURITY CAMERAS
09:18:39 IN THE DISTRICT.
09:18:41 EAST TAMPA'S CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY HOUSING PROGRAMS,
09:18:46 SUPER BOWL, WHAT IS EACH DOING -- WHAT IS EACH DISTRICT
09:18:50 DOING WITH SUPER BOWL ON THE HORIZON?
09:18:52 SO WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS JUST TO BRING
09:18:57 SOME -- JUST TO GLEAN SOME IDEAS FROM ONE ANOTHER.
09:19:00 WE'LL START TO DO THOSE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
09:19:02 OUR NEXT ONE IS GETTING SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY.
09:19:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GLAD SOMEBODY HAS GREAT IDEA THAT MIGHT
09:19:10 PASS ALONG TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
09:19:12 GLAD WE'RE DOING THAT NOW.
09:19:13 THANK YOU.
09:19:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
09:19:15 THANK YOU, MS. ORR.
09:19:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROB, ARE YOU UP NOW?
09:19:22 ED, HOW ARE YOU DOING?
09:19:31 >> GOOD MORNING, ED JOHNSON, EAST TAMPA CRA MANAGER.
09:19:33 SEE IF WE CAN GET THE SLIDES TO ADVANCE HERE.
09:19:45 IN EAST TAMPA, WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IN SEPTEMBER HERE, ON
09:19:50 YOUR AGENDA LATER THIS MORNING FOR CONSIDERATION AND
09:19:52 APPROVAL ARE TWO PROGRAMS THAT THE EAST TAMPA ADVISORY
09:19:56 COMMITTEE HAS OFFERED UP FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:20:00 THE FIRST ONE IS A $500,000 FUNDING IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR
09:20:09 HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIVISIONS, HOUSING AND
09:20:11 REHABILITATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
09:20:13 THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO ASSIST 30 INDIVIDUALS AT A
09:20:18 MAXIMUM OF $15,000 PER APPLICANT.
09:20:21 AGAIN, IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL THIS MORNING.
09:20:24 THE SECOND PROGRAM IS A $400,000 FUNDING TO CREATE THE EAST
09:20:29 TAMPA DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND HOME BUYER
09:20:33 EDUCATION WORKSHOP.
09:20:33 AGAIN, THESE FUNDS HOPEFULLY WILL ASSIST APPROXIMATELY 25
09:20:39 INDIVIDUALS AT A MAXIMUM OF $15,000 PER APPLICANT.
09:20:43 THE UNIQUE FEATURE OF THIS PROGRAM IS THAT THE HOME BUYERS
09:20:47 EDUCATION PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY A HOME BUYERS CLUB WHERE EACH
09:20:51 APPLICANT WILL GO THROUGH PRE AND POST EDUCATION
09:20:56 REQUIREMENTS.
09:20:56 IT IS A 14-WEEK COURSE THAT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH ACCEPTING
09:21:00 DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE DOLLARS.
09:21:04 THE NEXT ONE IS THE CAC HAS AUTHORIZED THE ISSUANCE OF AN
09:21:08 RFP TO INTERESTED DEVELOPERS AND CONTRACTORS TO PROPOSE
09:21:12 POTENTIAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS USING THE VACANT
09:21:16 INFILL PROPERTIES THAT REMAINING IN THE CRA.
09:21:21 FINAL SCORING AND RANKINGS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED OF.
09:21:25 THERE WILL BE A LAST MEETING THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR
09:21:28 NOVEMBER 13th WHERE THE SHORT-LISTED FOLKS WILL COME AND
09:21:32 MAKE PRESENTATIONS.
09:21:33 SO AWARDS ARE PENDING ANNOUNCEMENT.
09:21:36 THE CAC ALSO AUTHORIZED THE ISSUANCE OF AN RFQ TO INTERESTED
09:21:42 CONSULTANTS TO UPDATE THE EAST TAMPA STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN.
09:21:45 THE SUBMITTALS WERE RECEIVED ON SEPTEMBER 19th.
09:21:52 FIVE QUALIFIED SUBMITTALS WERE RECEIVED AND HAVE BEEN
09:21:55 REVIEWED AND SCORED.
09:21:56 TWO ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE PART OF THE REVIEW AND
09:22:00 SCORING PROCESS.
09:22:01 THE CCNA SHORT-LIST PRESENTATION HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR
09:22:05 OCTOBER 15th AT 10:30 A.M. HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
09:22:10 ALSO, LIKE WEST TAMPA, OUR COMMERCIAL FACADE PROGRAM HAS
09:22:16 BEEN -- WE FEEL HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL OVER THE YEARS.
09:22:20 WE APPROVED 27 GRANTS FOR A TOTAL OF $862,137 IN GRANT
09:22:27 FUNDING, WHICH LEVERAGED $3,143,623 IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
09:22:34 OF COURSE, THAT PROGRAM WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD BACK IN
09:22:37 NOVEMBER OF 2009.
09:22:40 OUR INDIRECT ACTIVITIES, AS EVERYONE HAS BEEN HEARING FROM
09:22:51 PAST PRESENTATIONS, THE 34th STREET NORTH FROM COLUMBUS
09:22:54 DRIVE TO EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE PROJECT IS UNDERWAY.
09:22:59 THE CITY CONTRACT AND F.D.O.T. CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF
09:23:05 $3.3 MILLION.
09:23:06 THE BID OPENED OCTOBER 1st.
09:23:08 REMEMBER, THIS IS A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ALONG THE
09:23:12 CORRIDOR.
09:23:13 CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 19th AND
09:23:16 AWARD SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 2020.
09:23:20 THE SECOND ONE I WANT TO BRING UP FOR NOTE IS THE EAST
09:23:25 COLUMBUS DRIVE FROM NORTH NEBRASKA GOING OVER TO NORTH
09:23:29 14th STREET PROJECT.
09:23:31 THIS IS ALSO A CITY CONTRACT, PARTNERED WITH F.D.O.T. LAP
09:23:37 PROJECT.
09:23:37 THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE RECEIVED 100% DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
09:23:41 DOCUMENTS FOR REVIEW AND RESPONSES WERE DUE OCTOBER 11th.
09:23:46 THIS IS AN APPROXIMATELY $2.3 MILLION PROJECT.
09:23:51 BIKE LIGHTING SIDEWALK AND SAFETY PROJECT WITH ALL SOME
09:23:54 STREETS RECEIVING SOME NEW ADDED TREES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
09:23:59 NOTABLE EVENTS.
09:24:03 PLANNING EFFORT BEGAN FOR OUR 13th ANNUAL EAST TAMPA
09:24:08 CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING PROGRAM SCHEDULED FOR FRIDAY,
09:24:13 DECEMBER 13th, 2019, AT YOUNG MIDDLE SCHOOL.
09:24:19 MARKET-RATE HOUSING -- I THINK I MENTIONED THIS THE LAST
09:24:25 TIME WE MET -- STEEL FRAME HOUSING CONCEPT, HOUSE
09:24:31 CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW AT 2604 EAST CHELSEA STREET.
09:24:36 THE PHOTOGRAPH THERE ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN THERE IS A
09:24:41 PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, INTERIOR-WISE OF THE
09:24:44 STEEL-FRAMED HOUSING.
09:24:46 THIS IS AN 1800 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
09:24:49 IT'S BEING BUILT BY GEMM DEVELOPMENT.
09:24:55 ALSO, GOING ALONG WITH THE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION, THE YOUNG
09:24:58 MAN PICTURED ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, HIS NAME IS MR. KYLER
09:25:04 BROWNING.
09:25:04 HE WAS THE RECIPIENT OF THE VERY FIRST S.T.E.M. EXPOSURE
09:25:09 CAMP AROUND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR REVITALIZING EAST
09:25:16 TAMPA.
09:25:17 HIS DESIGN AT THE END OF THE CAMP SESSION, HIS DESIGN WAS
09:25:22 PICKED NUMBER ONE OVERALL.
09:25:24 THE INTERESTING THING HERE FOR US TODAY IS HIS DESIGN IS
09:25:27 BEING USED BY A CONTRACTOR, BUILDING A 1700-SQUARE-FOOT
09:25:31 HOUSE AT 3605 EAST CARACAS.
09:25:36 AND THAT HOME IS THE HOME OF HIS GRANDMOTHER.
09:25:38 THAT ENDS MY PRESENTATION, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, CAN I
09:25:42 ANSWER THEM.
09:25:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:25:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:25:45 GOOD MORNING, ED.
09:25:47 A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, JUST MORE OUT OF CURIOSITY THAN
09:25:52 ANYTHING.
09:25:52 ON THE STEEL-FRAME HOUSE, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ON THE
09:25:58 EXTERIOR?
09:25:59 DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF THAT?
09:26:01 >> THE EXTERIOR --
09:26:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS IT A COMPOSITE?
09:26:05 >> IT'S A COMPOSITE TYPE MATERIALS THAT ARE BUILT ALMOST
09:26:10 SIMILAR TO SLATTED TYPE SURFACE EXPOSURES.
09:26:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOLKS DRIVING DOWN THE STREET WILL SEE
09:26:19 THIS HOUSE AND JUST THINK IT'S A NEW HOUSE.
09:26:22 THEY WON'T HAVE ANY IDEA --
09:26:24 >> THAT IT WAS STEEL.
09:26:26 YOU CAN'T TELL LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT IT WAS ALL
09:26:28 STEEL CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS DONE.
09:26:32 IT'S VERY WELL DONE.
09:26:34 THE MATERIAL THAT THEY USE FOR THE STEEL FRAME IS
09:26:38 MANUFACTURED LOCALLY IN SARASOTA AND SHIPPED TO VARIOUS
09:26:43 SITES.
09:26:43 THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE IS THE FOURTH HOME HE BUILT.
09:26:46 IT IS THE FIRST ONE IN EAST TAMPA, BUT HE'S BUILT THEM IN
09:26:49 OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:26:52 IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
09:26:53 THE OTHER PROJECTS ON EACH ONE OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE BEEN
09:27:02 SOLD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $250,000.
09:27:05 IT'S A MARKET-RATE PRODUCT THAT HAS BEEN VERY WELL RECEIVED.
09:27:13 THIS IS HIS FIRST ONE IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY.
09:27:17 ONE OF THE VERY FIRST SLIDES, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE
09:27:25 PRESENTATION, UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER, THAT IS A PICTURE OF
09:27:30 THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME.
09:27:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO NEW PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT,
09:27:41 MAYBE NEXT MONTH OR THE MONTH AFTER -- I WOULD SAY EAST
09:27:45 TAMPA, PERHAPS WEST TAMPA, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SORT
09:27:50 OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW HOME STARTS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
09:27:54 OBVIOUSLY, AS A CRA, WE WANT TO NOT JUST DO OUR WORK, BUT TO
09:28:01 INSPIRE THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO THEIRS AS WELL.
09:28:04 I THINK THAT'S HAPPENING IN EAST TAMPA AND WEST TAMPA.
09:28:06 BUT IF YOU CAN MAYBE GET WITH CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND
09:28:10 PERHAPS GIVE US AN IDEA PERIODICALLY OF NEW HOME STARTS OR
09:28:17 FINISHES, WHATEVER IS THE EASIEST STATISTIC TO COME UP WITH.
09:28:21 >> OKAY.
09:28:23 BE GLAD TO DO THAT.
09:28:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER THING, IN YOUR REPORT YOU
09:28:28 MENTIONED ABOUT -- I THINK IT'S RIGHT THERE.
09:28:30 NO, IT'S NOT.
09:28:32 YOU MENTIONED AN RFP OR RFQ IN REGARD TO THE MULTIUNIT
09:28:38 PROJECT.
09:28:40 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BOARD HAS ACTUALLY SEEN THE RFP OR THE
09:28:44 RFQ WHEN IT WENT OUT.
09:28:47 MAYBE THE PRIOR BOARD DID.
09:28:49 I'M NOT SURE.
09:28:53 COULD YOU E-MAIL US THAT SO WE HAVE AN IDEA -- A BETTER IDEA
09:28:57 OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS BEFORE IT COMES TO US FOR APPROVAL.
09:29:01 >> NOT A PROBLEM.
09:29:02 GLAD TO DO THAT.
09:29:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BENNETT, I SAID THAT A COUPLE OF
09:29:07 TIMES IN REGARD TO ALL BIG RFPs GOING OUT IN THE CITY.
09:29:10 THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THIS ONE.
09:29:11 THANK YOU, ED.
09:29:12 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:29:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
09:29:16 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:29:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT PRODUCT AT 250, IS THAT THE ONLY PRICE
09:29:20 LEVEL HE HAS?
09:29:21 IS THAT MARKET RATE STOCK?
09:29:23 >> THAT'S THE ONLY HOUSE THAT HE HAS RIGHT NOW.
09:29:27 BUT HE HAS OTHER PRODUCTS THAT HE'LL TRY TO INTRODUCE TO THE
09:29:30 MARKET BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INTRODUCED YET.
09:29:32 THEY ARE TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW THIS PARTICULAR ONE
09:29:39 GOES.
09:29:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GOT YOUR E-MAIL IN REFERENCE TO THE
09:29:43 ENVIRONMENTAL POND.
09:29:44 I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THAT BACK FOR NOVEMBER 14.
09:29:47 I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH JEAN YESTERDAY IN REFERENCE TO
09:29:50 THAT ISSUE.
09:29:51 I THINK SHE'S GOING TO GIVE A GREAT PRESENTATION ON THE
09:29:55 14th IN REFERENCE TO THAT.
09:29:56 WE TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
09:30:00 AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY CALL THE RFQ.
09:30:05 I MET WITH MICHELLE YESTERDAY, TOO, IN REFERENCE TO
09:30:10 DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES AND ATTAINING PROPERTIES.
09:30:12 WE HAVE TO ATTAIN ASSETS IN EAST TAMPA TO REALLY GET THINGS
09:30:15 MOVING AND TO BE ABLE TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE.
09:30:19 I HAD A MEETING WITH THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.
09:30:22 THE FIRST QUESTION THEY ASKED ME, WHAT CAN WE DO FOR EAST
09:30:26 TAMPA?
09:30:27 I TOLD THEM WE NEED TO COME AND BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:30:30 THERE ARE AREAS IN OUR DISTRICT THAT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE
09:30:33 INTERESTED IN.
09:30:34 AS SOON AS I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES, BEFORE I
09:30:37 COULD LOOK UP, THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN ALREADY LIKE, WELL,
09:30:40 THAT'S A BIG PROPERTY.
09:30:42 I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE AGGRESSIVE APPROACH.
09:30:45 ONCE WE GET THIS INFORMATION BACK, I RELATED TO MICHELLE.
09:30:52 I WANT THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
09:30:55 HOPEFULLY SHE'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO YOUR BOARD AND HAVE AN
09:30:58 AGGRESSIVE APPROACH IN REFERENCE TO DEVELOPMENT.
09:31:02 PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO COME TO US.
09:31:04 WE HAVE TO PUT THINGS OUT THERE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE
09:31:07 SO THEY CAN SAY I WANT A BITE ON THIS.
09:31:09 THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR WITH THE CRA.
09:31:13 MAKING SURE WE'RE PUTTING THINGS OUT TO PEOPLE SO THEY KNOW
09:31:16 WHAT WE HAVE AND HELP US OUT WITH OUR NEEDS.
09:31:21 >> SO NOTED.
09:31:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GUDES, GOOD COMMENT.
09:31:25 JUST REMINDED ME OF ONE OTHER QUESTION.
09:31:28 IN THE PAST, WHEN THE CITY WAS DOING SOME OF THESE, ED, I
09:31:33 DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE.
09:31:34 MAYOR'S CHALLENGE FUND AND THAT SORT OF THING, IT USED TO BE
09:31:41 FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS IN TERMS OF THE DOWN PAYMENT
09:31:47 ASSISTANCE AND OTHER ASSISTANCE LIMITED TO FIRST-TIME HOME
09:31:49 BUYERS.
09:31:49 I DON'T SEE THAT AS PART OF THE CRITERIA.
09:31:52 I'M NOT STATING NECESSARILY HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
09:31:54 I'M JUST CURIOUS, AM I CORRECT?
09:31:57 ALSO, WHAT'S THE DISCUSSION ON THAT?
09:32:01 >> YES.
09:32:02 IT'S STILL FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS.
09:32:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STILL FIRST TIME.
09:32:05 OKAY.
09:32:06 BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE LIST OF CRITERIA, I DON'T
09:32:09 THINK.
09:32:10 IT SAYS CURRENT HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.
09:32:15 I GUESS WHAT I WONDERED ABOUT WAS, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY HAD
09:32:18 BOUGHT A HOUSE 15 YEARS AGO AND LOST IT IN THE RECESSION OR
09:32:22 SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ARE THEY ELIGIBLE OR NOT?
09:32:26 >> I BELIEVE IF IT WAS THAT LONG AGO, YES.
09:32:29 I THINK THE CRITERIA IS LIKE FIVE YEARS.
09:32:33 IF IT WAS MORE RECENT THAN THAT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE
09:32:38 CONSIDERED A FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER.
09:32:42 15 YEARS AGO, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO THEN
09:32:46 COME BACK THROUGH --
09:32:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD HOPE SO.
09:32:49 A LITTLE GRACE PERIOD.
09:32:51 OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, LOST THEIR
09:32:54 HOUSES.
09:32:56 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
09:32:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE SHOULDN'T HOLD THAT AGAINST TELL ME
09:32:58 THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
09:32:59 THANK YOU.
09:33:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:33:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS AT A HOUSING MEETING THE OTHER DAY.
09:33:05 VERY GOOD WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING.
09:33:08 EVENTUALLY I'M PROBABLY GOING TO TALK TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF
09:33:10 IN HOUSING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY ARE PREPARING IN
09:33:15 REFERENCE TO THEIR TRUST.
09:33:16 I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE.
09:33:17 A COMPANY, I THINK BLUE SKY COMPANY, I THINK THE CAC NEEDS
09:33:24 TO AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT GENTLEMAN.
09:33:27 THEY ARE DOING SOME WONDERFUL THINGS.
09:33:29 THEY ARE COMING UNDER THAT MEDIAN INCOME.
09:33:32 I THINK WITH MAYBE SOME PROPERTIES WE MAY HAVE OR SOME
09:33:36 THINGS WE CAN OBTAIN FROM THE CRA AS FAR AS ASSETS MAY BE
09:33:40 ABLE TO HELP THAT COMPANY.
09:33:41 I'M NOT SAYING ONLY ONES, BUT THEY CAUGHT MY EYE.
09:33:45 ALSO, THE BUILDERS TALKED ABOUT THEY LIKE TO REALLY WANT TO
09:33:50 COME IN EAST TAMPA AND TO HELP OUT.
09:33:52 BUT WE'VE GOT SOME CHALLENGES AS IT RELATES TO SOME
09:33:56 INCENTIVES TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK
09:33:59 ABOUT SOME OF THE SITE PLANS FOR THE DRAINAGE AND OTHER
09:34:06 ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
09:34:12 THEY LOVE TO GIVE BACK AS WELL AND WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT
09:34:15 HOW WE COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF PLAN WHERE WE'RE GIVING A
09:34:18 SENSE THAT THEY ALSO GIVE BACK AND IT WORKS OUT FOR A
09:34:21 WIN-WIN.
09:34:22 ANOTHER THING THEY TALKED ABOUT AND I KNOW WE HAVE THINGS
09:34:25 COMING UP IN REFERENCE TO TREES.
09:34:26 I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN, BUT I'M GLAD, I THINK YOU'VE
09:34:31 GOT A PROGRAM THAT WILL BE HELPING WITH TREES.
09:34:33 I TALKED TO MICHELLE YESTERDAY.
09:34:34 THAT SHOULD BE NOTABLE.
09:34:37 FIVE OR SIX SENIOR CITIZENS ABOUT 90 YEARS OLD THAT NEED
09:34:40 THEIR TREES CUT BECAUSE IT'S ON THEIR HOUSE AND THEY CAN'T
09:34:43 AFFORD TO GET -- SO I'M GLAD THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED.
09:34:46 THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES.
09:34:48 THESE SMALL THINGS THAT THE BUILDERS ARE TALKING ABOUT,
09:34:51 MAYBE COME A TIME THAT OUR MANAGER NEEDS TO MEET WITH THE
09:34:54 BUILDER ASSOCIATIONS AND SEE WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE,
09:34:57 ESPECIALLY IN EAST TAMPA, TO HELP THEM AND MAYBE WE CAN HELP
09:35:00 THEM.
09:35:00 I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
09:35:02 I THINK THAT CAN REALLY PUSH THE NEEDLE IF WE KNOW WHAT
09:35:05 THOSE CHALLENGES REALLY ARE.
09:35:08 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:35:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
09:35:11 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ED.
09:35:13 >> NEXT UP WILL BE ROB FROM DOWNTOWN.
09:35:18 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:35:19 ROB ROSNER, DOWNTOWN PROJECT PROGRAM MANAGER.
09:35:24 OUR FIRST OF DIRECT ACTIVITIES IS HERMAN MASSEY PARK
09:35:29 REHABILITATION.
09:35:30 WE'RE AT ABOUT THE 60% MARK RIGHT NOW AND WORKING ON 90%
09:35:34 DRAWINGS.
09:35:35 WE EXPECT TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION IN EARLY 2020.
09:35:39 THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN APRIL.
09:35:44 THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER RENOVATIONS, WE'RE NEARLY 100%
09:35:48 COMPLETE WITH ALL THE WORK WE CONTRACTED WITH SIMMONS.
09:35:52 WE'LL BE PUTTING AN RFQ OUT FOR THE LARGER AMOUNT OF WORK WE
09:35:56 HAVE.
09:36:00 DUE TO THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE PROJECT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE
09:36:02 GOING OUT FOR ANOTHER RFQ.
09:36:04 YOU'LL SEE THAT SOON.
09:36:06 OUR INDIRECT ACTIVITIES, WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS GOING
09:36:22 ON DOWNTOWN.
09:36:25 THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO THE TIMES BUILDING.
09:36:27 THEY STARTED LANE CLOSURES AND PRELIMINARY WORK ON
09:36:32 CONSTRUCTION.
09:36:32 NEXT TO THEM, TYLER RESIDENCES.
09:36:35 THEY'LL BE DOING GROUND BREAKING IN LATE OCTOBER, EARLY
09:36:38 NOVEMBER.
09:36:39 THEY ARE LOOKING FOR TIMES WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND YOU
09:36:41 GENTLEMEN ABOUT HAVING A GROUND BREAKING FOR THAT.
09:36:46 RIVERWALK PLACE, THEY ARE UNDER DEMOLITION OF THE CAPTRUST
09:36:51 BUILDING, WHICH IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS TO GET THEIR WORK
09:36:53 DOWN.
09:36:53 THE WATERSIDE MARRIOTT HOTEL HAS JUST COMPLETED 50 MILLION
09:36:56 DOLLARS' WORTH OF RENOVATIONS AND OPENED UP A NEW RESTAURANT
09:37:00 THERE CALLED ANCHOR AND BRINE.
09:37:02 I BELIEVE EITHER THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK IS THE OFFICIAL
09:37:05 GRAND OPENING ON THAT.
09:37:06 NOTABLE EVENTS, URBAN EXCELLENCE AWARDS WILL BE HELD IN
09:37:13 NOVEMBER AT HARPOON HARRY'S.
09:37:16 THE SAIL PAVILION.
09:37:18 BOTH SELECTED FOR URBAN EXCELLENCE AWARDS.
09:37:22 ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOWNTOWN?
09:37:24 CHANNEL DISTRICT, DISTRICTWIDE PROJECTS, WE ARE ON OUR WAY
09:37:37 FOR GETTING 90% PLANS DONE FOR CHANNELSIDE DRIVE.
09:37:40 WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR 12th STREET SEGMENT C WHICH
09:37:44 IS PHASE A-1 AND A-2.
09:37:47 THE OTHER ONES WERE EARLY DESIGN ON AND WORKING WITH TECO ON
09:37:51 A LOT OF THE UNDERGROUNDING THAT GOES WITH THAT AND WORKING
09:37:55 WITH THEM ON TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF MOVING OVERHEAD POWER
09:37:59 AND LINES UNDERGROUND AND CHANGING OUT LIGHTS TO THE NEW
09:38:03 SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING WILL BE LED THEN.
09:38:06 I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE.
09:38:09 AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST ARE IN DESIGN AND BETWEEN 15 AND
09:38:12 25 PERCENT.
09:38:13 DIRECT ACTIVITIES, MADISON STREET PARK IS ABOUT 30% COMPLETE
09:38:19 RIGHT NOW.
09:38:19 WE FINISHED PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE SITE REMEDIATION WORK,
09:38:23 AND WE'RE WORKING TO GET ALL OF THE MATERIALS ORDERED FOR
09:38:27 THAT THAT ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLED IN THE PARK.
09:38:29 INDIRECT ACTIVITIES THERE ARE SBP IS NEARING THE COMPLETION
09:38:34 OF SPARK AND WHARF.
09:38:37 ON CHANNELSIDE DRIVE, YOU'LL SEE THE SCAFFOLD ARE UP.
09:38:41 THEY SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS OR SO.
09:38:45 THEY WILL BE HIGHLIGHTED AT THE CONFERENCE AS THEY DO ONE OF
09:38:48 THE MOBILE TOURS ABOUT THAT.
09:38:50 NOTABLE EVENTS, CHANNEL CLUB HELD THEIR GRAND OPENING AND
09:38:53 ANOTHER DAY LATER, THE HAMPTON INN HOME SUITES HELD THEIR
09:38:58 GRAND OPENING.
09:38:58 WE'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESSES IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND FINALLY
09:39:01 GETTING SOME THINGS OPEN AND OPERATIONAL.
09:39:03 ANY QUESTIONS?
09:39:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS?
09:39:09 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:39:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TWO QUESTIONS, NUMBER ONE, IN REGARD TO
09:39:13 THE PUBLIX, IS THERE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUE?
09:39:17 I KNOW ORIGINALLY THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THAT
09:39:21 SORT OF THING.
09:39:21 FLOW SMOOTHLY IN AND AROUND PUBLIX AT THE BUSY TIMES?
09:39:27 >>ROB ROSNER: I'M HEARING SO THAT IT'S RUNNING SMOOTH.
09:39:30 I HAVEN'T HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT NOT RUNNING SMOOTHLY.
09:39:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT THE MEETING I ATTENDED, I DON'T KNOW
09:39:37 IF IT WAS THE LAST CAC MEETING OR THE ONE BEFORE THAT, OVER
09:39:40 IN THE CRA DISTRICT, THE DISCUSSION CAME UP ABOUT FLOOR AREA
09:39:45 RATIO.
09:39:45 I THINK YOU WERE THERE AT THE TIME.
09:39:48 SOME OF THE MEMBERS WHO ALSO -- OR SOME OF THE PROPERTY
09:39:55 OWNERS, MAJOR PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE FEW REMAINING VACANT
09:39:58 PARCELS OVER THERE WERE ASKING -- THEY WERE ASKING ME WHY IS
09:40:05 THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, THE F.A.R. LOWER THAN THE SBP OR THE
09:40:13 DOWNTOWN F.A.R.?
09:40:14 HISTORICALLY, I KNOW WHY IT WAS LOWER IS BECAUSE ORIGINALLY
09:40:20 THE CONCEPT FOR CHANNELSIDE WAS TO BE A LITTLE THREE-STORY,
09:40:25 FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS.
09:40:26 AND OBVIOUSLY OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO, WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY
09:40:32 FROM THAT CONCEPT, WHICH IS FINE.
09:40:34 NOW CHANNELSIDE IS MORE OR LESS THE EASTERN EXTENSION OF
09:40:37 DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS ALSO FINE AND THERE'S GREAT PROGRESS OVER
09:40:41 THERE.
09:40:42 I GUESS THEY ASKED THE QUESTION OUT OF FAIRNESS.
09:40:46 WHY SHOULDN'T THEIR F.A.R.'S BE AS HIGH AS DOWNTOWN SO THEY
09:40:50 CAN BE COMPETITIVE AND USE THEIR LAND TO THE MAXIMUM.
09:40:54 ANYWAY, I GUESS I'M JUST WONDERING FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL
09:41:00 PERSPECTIVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEELINGS ON THAT?
09:41:03 IT'S PROBABLY MORE OF A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE, BUT I'M ASKING
09:41:08 YOU NOW BECAUSE YOU HAPPEN TO BE HERE AND YOU DON'T USUALLY
09:41:11 COME TO OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS.
09:41:12 >>ROB ROSNER: OKAY.
09:41:14 I FOLLOWED UP WITH CATHY COYLE.
09:41:16 AND DOWNTOWN IS COVERED BY A DRI AND CHANNEL DISTRICT IS NOT
09:41:22 PART OF THAT.
09:41:22 THE REASON FOR DOING WHAT WE DID IN DOWNTOWN AND WHY THOSE
09:41:24 ARE IS THE DRI GOVERNS THAT.
09:41:27 THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS A MORE TRADITIONAL.
09:41:29 SO THAT OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ITS NORMAL
09:41:32 PROCESS IF YOU WANT TO DO A LAND USE CHANGE OR REWRITE WHAT
09:41:37 THE CHANNEL DISTRICT CODE WOULD BE.
09:41:38 IT WOULD BE THE NORMAL PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO PART OF THE
09:41:42 DRI.
09:41:42 COULDN'T JUST EXTEND DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE CHANNEL DISTRICT
09:41:45 IS NOT PART OF THAT DRI.
09:41:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
09:41:47 >>ROB ROSNER: YOU CAN MAKE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT AND ACTS
09:41:50 LIKE IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PROCESS.
09:41:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT CATHY INDICATED TO YOU THAT IT'S
09:41:54 STILL FEASIBLE FOR US TO EXPLORE THAT?
09:41:57 >>ROB ROSNER: YEAH, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL THE LEVEL OF WORK
09:41:59 THAT WILL HAVE TO GO INTO DOING THAT.
09:42:01 I JUST KNOW IT WOULD BE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THE DRI.
09:42:03 THE DRI --
09:42:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'LL PUT ANDREA ON IT.
09:42:07 THANK YOU, ROB.
09:42:08 >>ROB ROSNER: YOU'RE WELCOME.
09:42:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
09:42:10 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:42:12 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT FOR DISCUSSION TODAY, BUT IN PRIOR
09:42:17 MEETINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF AFFORDABLE
09:42:19 HOUSING IN CRAs.
09:42:23 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING AND THE EXECUTIVE
09:42:26 DIRECTOR AND EVERYTHING, I'M SURE THAT WILL COME UP.
09:42:30 I ASK ALL OF TO YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU PUT SOME ELEMENT OF
09:42:33 AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WORKFORCE HOUSING IN YOUR MARKETS, AND
09:42:37 WE CAN ALL TALK TO YOU OFF-LINE ABOUT THAT.
09:42:42 SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS I THINK WE NEED TO COME
09:42:45 BACK.
09:42:46 I WAS WITH THE TAMPA CHAMBER IN CHARLOTTE, THEY SAID ENDING
09:42:49 POVERTY IS AN IMPORTANT CRITERIA FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND
09:42:51 ALSO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:42:53 THEY ARE BEHIND ALSO.
09:42:55 I THINK WE NEED TO USE EVERY TOOL WE HAVE.
09:42:58 I KNOW THE MAYOR HAS A TASK FORCE ON THAT BUT WE HAVE
09:43:02 RESOURCES IN THE CRAs WE CAN USE.
09:43:04 EXAMPLE IS THE WORK IN AND AROUND THE PUBLIX TO GET THAT
09:43:07 DONE.
09:43:07 IF WE CAN PUT THE SAME KIND OF EFFORT PUTTING AFFORDABLE
09:43:11 HOUSING CLOSER TO WHERE PEOPLE WORK, WE'LL GET TRIPS OFF THE
09:43:15 ROAD AND KEEP SOME OF OUR BEST WORKERS CLOSE TO HOME.
09:43:18 THANK YOU.
09:43:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GREAT POINT, MR. CARLSON.
09:43:23 I HAVE SEVERAL FRIENDS THAT HAVE BUILT IN DOWNTOWN AND IN
09:43:28 CHANNELSIDE.
09:43:28 THE THING THEY TELL ME IS THAT THEY HAVE -- THEY ARE MARKET
09:43:34 RATE BUT THERE'S NO INCENTIVE.
09:43:37 IF THE CRAs HAVE THIS TYPE OF MONEY, THESE PEOPLE ARE
09:43:41 BUILDING, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT INCENTIVES TO BE ABLE
09:43:43 TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SOME OF THESE MAJOR
09:43:47 DEVELOPMENTS IN DOWNTOWN AND IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
09:43:52 NO ONE HAS TO KNOW IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:43:55 ALL THEY KNOW IS SOMEBODY IS RENTING AN APARTMENT.
09:43:58 SOME PEOPLE HAVE THIS NIMBY THEORY, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
09:44:03 I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE MONEY WE HAVE IN THE CRAs
09:44:08 TO BE ABLE TO GIVE INCENTIVES TO SOME OF THESE DEVELOPERS
09:44:12 WHO HAVE HOUSING MARKET.
09:44:16 THAT WILL HELP SOME OF THE CRISIS WE DO HAVE.
09:44:19 I THINK YOU POINTED THAT OUT, MR. CARLSON.
09:44:22 WE NEED TO STERNLY LOOK AT THAT AGENDA.
09:44:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:44:27 >>BILL CARLSON: ABOUT -- THIS IS MORE DIRECTED TO
09:44:29 MR. BENNETT.
09:44:30 ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, BACK IN THE '90s, I WAS ON THE
09:44:34 DOWNTOWN HOUSING COMMITTEE OF THE ST. PETE CHAMBER.
09:44:37 WE KEPT HITTING THE WALL IN GETTING DOWNTOWN HOUSING.
09:44:40 FINALLY, WE PULLED TOGETHER A GROUP OF DEVELOPERS BECAUSE
09:44:42 THE THEORY WAS THAT DEVELOPERS IN FLORIDA AT THAT TIME ONLY
09:44:47 KNEW GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT.
09:44:48 THEN WE BROUGHT DEVELOPERS FROM CHICAGO AND OTHER PLACES TO
09:44:51 TALK TO THEM.
09:44:52 TURNS OUT ONE OF THE CHICAGO PEOPLE BOUGHT A COUPLE OF THE
09:44:55 BUILDINGS ON BEACH DRIVE.
09:44:57 ONE OTHER PIECE OF FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD CAMPAIGNING.
09:45:00 I HAVEN'T HEARD IT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS BUT HEARD IT
09:45:03 CAMPAIGNING, THERE ARE A LOT OF PRIVATE SECTOR AND NONPROFIT
09:45:05 PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PARTNER TO
09:45:08 BUILD COMPONENTS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN MARKET RATE
09:45:11 HOUSING PROJECTS, BUT THEY FELT LIKE IT WASN'T A LEVEL
09:45:15 PLAYING FIELD IN THE CITY, THAT THEY DIDN'T GET FAIR ACCESS
09:45:19 IN THE CITY.
09:45:19 I KNOW THE NEW MAYOR IS CHANGING ALL THAT.
09:45:23 MAYBE BESIDES THE TASK FORCE AND THE COMMITTEE THE MAYOR
09:45:26 HAS, MAYBE JOINT CITY CRA CONVERSATION WITH ALL THE
09:45:29 DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO DEVELOP AND JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION
09:45:33 WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO, WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE.
09:45:37 WE HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES WE CAN BRING TO THE
09:45:39 TABLE.
09:45:39 THE FIRST ONE IS OPENING EVERYTHING UP TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING
09:45:42 FIELD.
09:45:43 SECOND IS WHAT LAND DO WE HAVE?
09:45:45 WHAT INCENTIVES DO WE HAVE?
09:45:47 HOW ELSE CAN WE COLLABORATE LIKE THIS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE?
09:45:50 JUST AN IDEA AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
09:45:53 >>ROB ROSNER: THANK YOU.
09:45:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:45:55 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO BUILD ON THAT.
09:45:57 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, VERY GOOD FACT.
09:46:00 SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP.
09:46:01 YOU COULDN'T BE THERE BUT WHEN I WAS SPEAKING IN TAMPA AND
09:46:07 SOMEBODY BROUGHT THIS UP ISSUE.
09:46:08 THE OVERALL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ASSUMPTION OR
09:46:11 THE PRESUMPTION THAT RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA
09:46:15 IS GOING TO BE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE AFFLUENT.
09:46:19 THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT WHETHER OR NOT WE ALL KNOW IT, WE
09:46:22 HAVE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BOUGHT INTO AND WE'VE GOT TO KNOW
09:46:25 ALL THE TOOLS WE HAVE AS A CRA IN ORDER TO BATTLE THAT
09:46:28 ASSUMPTION AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE HOUSING FOR THE
09:46:31 PEOPLE WHO WORK DOWNTOWN, NOT JUST THE LAWYERS AND THE
09:46:36 DEVELOPERS AND THE ENGINEERS.
09:46:37 AND GOD BLESS LAWYERS, DEVELOPERS AND ENGINEERS, ESPECIALLY
09:46:40 LAWYERS.
09:46:41 JOKING.
09:46:41 I'M AN ATTORNEY.
09:46:42 BUT WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE HOUSING FOR EVERYBODY IN
09:46:47 DOWNTOWN.
09:46:48 WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT THAT PRESUMPTION.
09:46:49 THERE IS A PRESUMPTION THAT'S DEVELOPED.
09:46:52 WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIGHT THAT PRESUMPTION.
09:46:54 GOOD POINT, SIR.
09:46:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:46:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
09:46:58 BOARD, YOU'LL RECALL, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO,
09:47:03 WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS HERE IN THE EVENING AND I
09:47:07 SORT OF VERY VIGOROUSLY WAS ARGUING AGAINST A CODE AMENDMENT
09:47:14 THAT WAS BEING PROPOSED OR MAYBE IT WAS A PLAN AMENDMENT, IT
09:47:18 HAD TO DO WITH F.A.R.s.
09:47:23 PART OF IT WAS THAT THE PROPOSAL WAS TO INCREASE THE F.A.R.
09:47:27 WITHOUT THE DEVELOPERS GIVING ANYTHING IN THOSE CERTAIN
09:47:34 AREAS.
09:47:35 I APPRECIATE COUNCIL SUSPENDED THAT FOR AT LEAST I THINK A
09:47:37 YEAR OR SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WE CAN THINK
09:47:41 ABOUT IT.
09:47:42 BUT THE REASON I MENTION IT, IT SPECIFICALLY CAN AND DOES
09:47:46 RELATE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:47:48 UNDER THE CURRENT CODES, THERE IS INCENTIVE THERE FOR
09:47:54 DEVELOPERS.
09:47:55 THEY CAN GET BONUS F.A.R.s IF THEY DO SOME AFFORDABLE
09:47:58 HOUSING.
09:47:59 THAT'S ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES.
09:48:02 IF YOU GIVE THEM THE F.A.R. WITHOUT OTHERWISE CREATING ANY
09:48:09 INCENTIVE PACKAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN THERE'S NOT
09:48:14 REALLY A LOT OF INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
09:48:17 I APPRECIATE COUNCIL CONTINUING THIS DISCUSSION.
09:48:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AN IDEA.
09:48:27 YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE THE WAY
09:48:30 WE'RE DOING IT.
09:48:31 IT WILL TAKE A LONG, LONG TIME, AND IT'S GOING TO NEED HELP
09:48:35 FROM THE OUTSIDE SOURCES, INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN POOL MONEY
09:48:39 TOGETHER TO HAVE THE LOANS AVAILABLE TO BUILD THE HOUSES AT
09:48:42 ABOUT 3% INTEREST.
09:48:43 AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW
09:48:47 IF IT'S LEGAL.
09:48:48 I KNOW IT'S NOT LEGAL TO ASK THE CITIZENS TO HOLD A BOND FOR
09:48:52 THE CITY.
09:48:53 YEAH, YOU CAN TAX THEM TO DEATH, BUT YOU CAN'T ASK THEM FOR
09:48:56 A LOAN AND PAY THEM INTEREST.
09:48:57 WHAT A COUNTRY.
09:48:58 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND YOU START TO REALIZE HOW
09:49:01 DO YOU SOLVE THIS MASSIVE PROBLEM THAT WASN'T CREATED
09:49:04 OVERNIGHT, TAKEN YEARS TO GET HERE.
09:49:08 THE PROBLEM IS, AS MORE PEOPLE COME IN AND LESS HOUSES ARE
09:49:14 BUILT, THE PRICE OF VALUE GOES UP.
09:49:15 WHEN YOU COULD BUY A LOT TEN YEARS AGO FOR 25,000, THAT SAME
09:49:17 LOT NOW IS 100,000.
09:49:19 DON'T BELIEVE ME, GO BUY ONE.
09:49:21 THAT'S THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE.
09:49:23 EVEN IN GIVING THE LOT AWAY, HOUSES ARE STILL 160, 170, 189.
09:49:30 AFFORDABLE TO WHO?
09:49:30 THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE.
09:49:34 I MAY BE WRONG.
09:49:37 I DON'T THINK I AM.
09:49:38 UNTIL YOU SET A POOL OF MONEY ASIDE AND NOT FROM THE
09:49:40 GOVERNMENT, FROM INDIVIDUALS AND GET A RETURN THE SAME BANK,
09:49:46 3% TO HELP SOMEBODY, THAT IS A HUMAN BEING, YOU'RE NOT GOING
09:49:50 TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
09:49:51 THIS PROBLEM WILL NEVER BE SOLVED BY GOVERNMENT.
09:49:54 NEVER.
09:49:55 FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH LAND.
09:49:57 YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD.
09:50:00 YOU'RE NOT.
09:50:00 YOU'RE ONLY FOOLING YOURSELVES.
09:50:02 NOT THE PEOPLE.
09:50:02 THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU ARE FOOLED ALREADY WHEN YOU START
09:50:05 TALKING ABOUT IT.
09:50:06 WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU'VE GOT TO SIT BACK AND HOW DO YOU SOLVE
09:50:09 THIS PROBLEM?
09:50:10 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT TODAY.
09:50:12 YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A TEN-YEAR PROGRAM AND WORK THAT
09:50:15 PROGRAM TILL THE END.
09:50:16 STILL THEN YOU'RE GOING TO FALL SHORT BUT YOU'RE GOING TO
09:50:19 BENEFIT MANY PEOPLE.
09:50:21 IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO SEE LEGALLY POSSIBLE, SET
09:50:24 UP A SUBCOMMITTEE.
09:50:25 NOBODY IN GOVERNMENT, INDIVIDUALS, ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE,
09:50:28 ANYBODY LISTENING WHO WANTS TO PUT 100 THOUSAND, 50,000 AND
09:50:34 GET BACK AT 3%, AND THE CITY OR GOVERNMENT, WHATEVER IT IS,
09:50:38 CONTROLS THE ACTION OF IT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE HOUSING
09:50:43 PROBLEMS THE WAY WE'RE ATTACKING IT.
09:50:45 NEVER, UNLESS YOU HAVE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY BY
09:50:48 INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE MONEY, WHO ARE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE.
09:50:51 AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
09:50:55 YOU'LL HAVE SOME IMPACT.
09:50:57 SOLVE 100%, I DOUBT IT.
09:50:59 YOU CERTAINLY WILL REACH THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
09:51:01 YOU CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNTIL
09:51:04 YOU'RE DEAD.
09:51:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING ELSE?
09:51:16 IF I MAY ADD TO THAT, I KNOW ONE THING IS FOR SURE, OUR
09:51:22 DOWNTOWN IS GROWING.
09:51:23 I KNOW THE SBP PROJECT WILL BRING A MINIMUM -- MINIMUM OF
09:51:27 3,000 PEOPLE TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
09:51:31 WITH THAT, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED THE LAWYERS.
09:51:35 YOU ARE GOING TO NEED THE JEWELERS.
09:51:36 YOU ARE GOING TO NEED THE GROCERY STORES.
09:51:38 YOU ARE GOING TO NEED THE HAIRSTYLISTS.
09:51:41 YOU'LL NEED THE SHOE AFFAIR PEOPLE.
09:51:43 AND PEOPLE FROM EAST HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FROM NORTH
09:51:48 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, ARE NOT GOING TO TRAVEL ALL THIS WAY,
09:51:51 GAS, INSURANCE, MAINTENANCE, UPKEEP, AND PARKING FOR 10, 12
09:51:59 DOLLAR AN HOUR A POSITION.
09:52:00 I KNOW ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THEY'LL PROBABLY ASK FOR 15 TO
09:52:05 20 DOLLARS AN HOUR TO DRIVE ALL THIS WAY.
09:52:08 SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.
09:52:09 I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:52:11 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROB.
09:52:18 >> WE HAVE TWO LEFT.
09:52:21 TAMPA HEIGHTS.
09:52:23 OUR DIRECT ACTIVITIES IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE
09:52:26 IS TO HELP PROGRAM THE AREAS
09:52:30 LIKE THE AREAS AROUND ULELE AT WATER WORKS PARK AND SOME OF
09:52:33 THE STREET FESTIVALS THEY WANT TO DO THERE.
09:52:36 CREATE AN EVENT, COSPONSORSHIP, VERY SIMILAR TO DOWNTOWN.
09:52:39 WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU NEXT MONTH.
09:52:41 THEY DID VOTE TO DO THAT WITH SOME LIMITATIONS THAT ARE
09:52:44 DIFFERENT THAN THEIRS.
09:52:45 INDIRECT ACTIVITIES.
09:52:49 CAPITAL OWNS MOST OF THE PROPERTY ANNOUNCED SPROUTS AS PART
09:52:52 OF THE GROCERY STORE AND PART OF THE PERMITTED GARAGE AND A
09:52:55 HOTEL GOING ABOVE THAT, RIGHT HERE NEAR THE HEIGHTS UNION
09:53:00 BUILDING.
09:53:01 THE PEARL APARTMENTS ARE COMPLETE AND CORNER PARK UNDER
09:53:04 CONSTRUCTION.
09:53:05 I HAVEN'T VISITED TO SEE IF IT'S 100% COMPLETE BUT IT SHOULD
09:53:09 BE.
09:53:09 THEY HAVE A NEW COWORK SPACE CALLED BAY 3 THAT LAUNCHED THIS
09:53:13 YEAR.
09:53:14 NOTABLE EVENTS, THE HEIGHTS MARKET OPENED A NEW ROOFTOP BAR,
09:53:20 CALLED THE BAR.
09:53:21 ALSO STONE'S THROW OUT THERE ON THE RIVERWALK.
09:53:23 THEY IMPROVED THE ENTRANCE TO THE NORTH PART OF THE PARK AS
09:53:26 PART OF THAT.
09:53:26 THEY OPENED ON JULY 23rd.
09:53:29 ANY QUESTIONS?
09:53:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. ROSNER.
09:53:37 >>ROB ROSNER: CENTRAL PARK, THE DIRECT ACTIVITIES WE HAD WAS
09:53:41 -- I'M SORRY.
09:53:43 THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.
09:53:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: TAKE YOUR TIME.
09:53:46 >>ROB ROSNER: THE MEACHAM COMMUNITY GARDEN, THEY VOTED TO
09:53:51 PROGRAM $20,000 TO HELP WITH THE EDUCATION COMPONENT OF
09:53:53 THAT.
09:53:54 WE'RE WORKING WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WHO HAS GOT THERE A
09:53:57 THROUGH -- THAT THROUGH PERMITTING.
09:54:00 INDIRECT ACTIVITIES, ENCORE TAMPA, INCREMENTAL SITE PLAN FOR
09:54:04 282 UNITS ON LOT 9.
09:54:06 WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER COME WITH THAT, BUT
09:54:09 THEY HAVE PRELIMINARY PLANS.
09:54:11 I DON'T KNOW IF THE DEAL IS 100%.
09:54:13 IN DOING SO, ALSO IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH LIBERTY GROUP ABOUT
09:54:16 OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
09:54:16 THERE IS A HOTEL, COMPONENT AS PART OF ENCORE.
09:54:19 THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.
09:54:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY LAST QUESTIONS?
09:54:23 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:54:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROB, THAT PROPERTY, IS IT ALL OWNED BY
09:54:31 TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY?
09:54:32 >>ROB ROSNER: YES, IT'S ALL CONTROLLED BY TAMPA HOUSING
09:54:34 AUTHORITY.
09:54:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP DO WE HAVE WITH
09:54:38 THEM AS IT RELATES TO THE CRA OR JUST IN GENERAL DEALING
09:54:41 WITH THEM?
09:54:43 >>ROB ROSNER: WE WORK WITH THEM REGULARLY.
09:54:46 WE PAY TO DO THE CRA PLAN AND TO DO THAT.
09:54:50 OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM WAS FOR THEM TO DEVELOP THESE AS
09:54:54 MIXED INCOME AND MIXED HOUSING BEFORE DOING THAT.
09:54:57 AND THEN THEY WOULD MARKET THE OTHER LOTS.
09:54:59 SO WE PAID FOR CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE,
09:55:03 AND WE PAID FOR THE PLAN FOR CRA PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE
09:55:07 JUST RECENTLY PAID OFF THE DEBT FOR.
09:55:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, I SAY THIS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I TALKED
09:55:13 TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND THEY ARE SAYING THERE'S SO MUCH
09:55:16 PROPERTY THERE THAT WHO IS INVITING THEM TO COME IN TO TRY
09:55:20 TO BUILD THERE?
09:55:21 THERE'S SO MUCH PROPERTY THAT YOU CAN HAVE MORE BUILDINGS ON
09:55:25 THAT PROPERTY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
09:55:29 SO I'M JUST WONDERING, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TO PUT THE FOOT ON
09:55:39 THE GAS AND PUT SOME STUFF OUT TO PEOPLE TO ENTICE THEM TO
09:55:42 COME IN AND BUILD ON THE PROPERTY.
09:55:44 IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE.
09:55:45 WE CAN'T JUST LET STUFF SIT THERE AND SIT THERE.
09:55:50 WE NEED PEOPLE TO COME IN AND BITE ON IT AND BUILD.
09:55:54 SEVERAL DEVELOPERS THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE, THAT NEEDS TO
09:55:56 BE DEVELOPED.
09:55:57 IT'S JUST SITTING THERE.
09:55:59 WHAT IS THE FUTURE FOR THAT?
09:56:01 >>ROB ROSNER: WELL, IF YOU TALK WITH LeROI MOORE WITH THE
09:56:04 HOUSING AUTHORITY, HE'S IN CHARGE OF RECRUITING THOSE.
09:56:07 THEY HAD A LOT OF NEAR COMPLETE DEALS EITHER THAT HAVE
09:56:11 FALLEN THROUGH OR THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE BAIT ON IT OR BITE ON
09:56:14 IT.
09:56:14 THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THAT WE'VE BEEN INFORMED OF AND ABLE TO
09:56:20 HELP WITH WHAT WE CAN.
09:56:21 WITH THEM CONTROLLING THE PROPERTY, WE HAD A SMALL GROCERY
09:56:24 STORE AT ONE POINT.
09:56:25 THEY WANTED TO TAKE MORE LAND THAN NEEDED FOR SURFACE
09:56:27 PARKING, AND THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION.
09:56:29 AGAIN, WITH THE HOTEL SITE, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING DISCUSSIONS
09:56:35 WITH THAT.
09:56:35 IT GOES THROUGH HOUSING AUTHORITY WHO CONTROLS THAT LAND.
09:56:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IS
09:56:41 CONTROLLING THAT.
09:56:41 >>ROB ROSNER: YES.
09:56:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
09:56:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:56:46 >>BILL CARLSON: ALONG THE SAME LINES, I GET ASKED ABOUT THAT
09:56:49 PROPERTY ALL THE TIME AND WHY IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED.
09:56:53 OTHER PARTS OF IT WERE DEVELOPED A LONG TIME AGO.
09:56:55 FOLKS WONDER WHY IT'S NOT DEVELOPED.
09:56:57 I KNOW YOU JUST EXPLAINED IT'S NOT YOUR ISSUE.
09:57:01 ON THE CHAMBER TRIP, THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS PEOPLE WERE
09:57:05 ASKING ME ABOUT THAT LAND.
09:57:07 I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD NOT REPLACE SPATIAL SEGREGATION
09:57:10 WITH SPATIAL SEGREGATION ALONG INCOME LINES.
09:57:13 I'M GLAD IT'S MIXED USE.
09:57:15 IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET SOME OF THOSE
09:57:18 PROPERTIES MOVING, IT WOULD BE GREAT.
09:57:20 WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE.
09:57:23 >> WONDERFUL.
09:57:24 THANK YOU.
09:57:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:57:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOLLOWING UP ON BOTH OF THESE LAST
09:57:34 COMMENTS, ROB AND MR. BENNETT, WHY DON'T WE RESPECTFULLY ASK
09:57:40 LeROI MOORE FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO COME JOIN US
09:57:43 NEXT MONTH TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT IMPORTANT PROJECT.
09:57:49 I THINK THERE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS.
09:57:51 I RESPECT MR. MOORE AND EVERYBODY OVER AT THE HOUSING
09:57:54 AUTHORITY TREMENDOUSLY.
09:57:55 BUT WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST HEAR IT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
09:58:00 I JUST SAW MR. MOORE YESTERDAY.
09:58:02 I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE GLAD TO COME OVER.
09:58:05 >>ROB ROSNER: HAPPY TO ARRANGE THAT FOR YOU.
09:58:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I TRULY AGREE WITH
09:58:10 YOU BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTIES ARE BUILT
09:58:13 CORRECTLY THE FIRST TIME.
09:58:14 ONE OF THE BUILDINGS OVER THERE HAD TO BE REDONE.
09:58:18 I'M WONDERING WHY THAT HAD TO BE DONE.
09:58:20 SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE PROPERLY THE FIRST TIME, BUT THAT'S A
09:58:23 DIFFERENT STATEMENT.
09:58:24 IT WILL BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR HIM.
09:58:27 ARE STAFF REPORTS FINISHED?
09:58:37 WE'LL GO BACK TO ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 1.
09:58:47 IS THAT PERSON HERE?
09:58:49 >> NO.
09:58:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
09:58:50 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:58:56 >>BILL CARLSON: ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 3, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE
09:59:00 MOVE THIS TO NOVEMBER 14.
09:59:03 I MET WITH STAFF.
09:59:04 I THINK YOU ALL DID AS WELL.
09:59:06 THE IDEA HERE WAS THAT WE PASS THE RENEWAL OF THE OUTSOURCE
09:59:11 AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CRA AND THE CITY WITH ONE OF THE
09:59:14 PROVISIONS BEING THAT WE WOULD EDIT THE 18 ITEMS IN THE
09:59:19 CONTRACT.
09:59:19 I MET WITH STAFF THE OTHER DAY.
09:59:21 I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER WEEK OR SO TO FINISH IT.
09:59:25 IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY INPUT, PLEASE LET THEM KNOW.
09:59:28 IN THE MEANTIME I'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM.
09:59:30 I PROPOSE ON THE 14th WE COME BACK AND PRESENT FOR YOUR
09:59:34 APPROVAL.
09:59:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
09:59:37 3 TO NOVEMBER 14th AT OUR NEXT REGULAR CRA MEETING.
09:59:42 ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
09:59:43 ALL OPPOSED?
09:59:44 MOTION CARRIES.
09:59:45 ITEM AGENDA NUMBER 4.
09:59:54 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND CRA BOARD MEMBERS.
09:59:56 MICHELLE VAN LOAN, ECONOMIC AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.
10:00:02 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:00:03 I DIDN'T REALIZE I WOULD LOOK SO SHINY UP THERE.
10:00:06 THANK GOD I HAVE A PowerPoint.
10:00:07 WE ARE RESPONDING AS A STAFF REPORT TO YOUR MOTION TO HAVE A
10:00:13 STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP.
10:00:15 THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS WE'RE RESPONDING TO SORT OF
10:00:19 IN ONE PRESENTATION.
10:00:20 THE FIRST ONE WAS COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED THAT WE PUT
10:00:23 TOGETHER A STRATEGIC PLAN PROPOSAL FOR YOU AS A PROCESS TO
10:00:27 ENGAGE IN AS THE CRA BOARD.
10:00:29 AND THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON ALSO HAD A SECOND MOTION.
10:00:34 THE SECOND PART OF THAT ADDRESSED THE DISCUSSION YOU ALL
10:00:37 HAVE BEEN HAVING ABOUT HAVING SOME SORT OF EXECUTIVE
10:00:40 DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR REPORT TO THE CRA BOARD.
10:00:46 WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH OUR CRA ATTORNEY, THE
10:00:49 CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH MANY OF
10:00:53 THE ITEMS THAT THE CRA BOARD OVER THE PAST FOUR TO FIVE
10:00:57 MONTHS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, THINGS YOU'VE BEEN ASKING
10:01:01 ABOUT.
10:01:02 WE COME BACK TO YOU SORT OF IN A VACUUM.
10:01:05 IT'S THIS TOPIC AND THEN THIS TOPIC AND WE'RE TALKING AT YOU
10:01:08 OR WE ARE SUPPLYING WRITTEN INFORMATION HOPING FOR YOU GUYS
10:01:11 TO SORT OF ABSORB THINGS LIKE 163, WHICH IS PAGES AND PAGES
10:01:17 OF STATE STATUTES AND LEGALESE.
10:01:19 SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO COME TOGETHER IN A STRATEGIC PLANNING
10:01:23 PROCESS TO INCORPORATE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE
10:01:27 BEEN ASKING ABOUT.
10:01:28 SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TWO FOUR-HOUR WORKSHOPS.
10:01:32 WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO GO FOUR HOURS FOR EACH
10:01:35 WORKSHOP, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE YOU TIME TO HAVE YOUR
10:01:37 DISCUSSION AND A LESS FORMAL GIVE AND TAKE TYPE OF
10:01:41 ENVIRONMENT.
10:01:41 ALSO TIME FOR BREAKS IN THERE.
10:01:44 WE'RE LOOKING AT ONLY THREE TOPICS FOR EACH SESSION.
10:01:48 WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE FIRST SESSION WE'D WANT TO COME
10:01:51 TO YOU AND JUST VERY BRIEFLY GO OVER WITH YOU WHAT IS IT
10:01:55 THAT 163 MANDATES SO THAT WE CAN PUT CONTEXT INTO 163 AND
10:01:59 AGAIN NOT JUST THROW LEGAL LANGUAGE AT YOU.
10:02:02 WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS ON TIF AND HOW WE
10:02:05 SPEND, AGAIN, VERY BRIEF, RELATABLE EXPLANATION OF THE ITEMS
10:02:10 AND THEN TALK ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
10:02:12 THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS,
10:02:15 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
10:02:17 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
10:02:18 WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
10:02:19 WHAT'S REQUIRED AGAIN BY THE STATE STATUTE AND HOW DO THEY
10:02:24 FIT INTO HOW YOU OPERATE AS THE CRA BOARD AND HOW WE OPERATE
10:02:28 OUT HERE WITHIN THE CRAs THEMSELVES.
10:02:31 THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN, ONCE YOU'VE HAD THOSE SORT OF
10:02:34 BRIEFINGS, WE'D LIKE TO THEN HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
10:02:37 BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD, BASED ON WHAT HAS COME OUT OF
10:02:41 THE COMMUNITIES, WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES?
10:02:43 WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES AS THE CRA BOARD OVERARCHING AS AN
10:02:48 AGENCY AND THEN FOR YOUR CRAs, AND THEN HAVE A TALK ABOUT
10:02:51 WHAT WE CALL GAP ANALYSIS.
10:02:53 WHAT YOU SEE IS MISSING, WHAT PRIORITIES, AND WHAT WOULD YOU
10:02:59 LIKE US TO START FOCUSING ON.
10:03:01 WE WANT THE FIRST WORKSHOP TO SORT OF SET THE STAGE FOR YOU
10:03:04 THEN TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND WORKSHOP AND TALK ABOUT AND
10:03:09 DEVELOP YOUR GOALS.
10:03:10 AS THE CRA AGENCY BOARD ITSELF, WHAT ARE THE GOALS FOR
10:03:13 YOURSELVES AND FOR THE CRA?
10:03:15 YOU'VE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES AND MADE COMMENTS ABOUT
10:03:17 PROVIDING DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE TO THE CRAs, CRA
10:03:21 MANAGERS, THE STAFF, AND TO THE CACs.
10:03:24 THE CACs, THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THEY ACT AS
10:03:28 YOUR SUBCOMMITTEES.
10:03:30 THEY ARE YOUR SPECIALIZED SUBCOMMITTEES TASKED WITH THE
10:03:34 INDIVIDUAL GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS TO COME BACK AND BRING THEIR
10:03:38 RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU, SIMILAR TO A HOUSING SUBCOMMITTEE OR
10:03:41 ANY OTHER TYPE OF SUBCOMMITTEE.
10:03:42 SO WHAT IS YOUR DIRECTION, AND WHAT KIND OF DIRECTION DO YOU
10:03:45 WANT TO GIVE THEM?
10:03:46 SO WE WANT TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY, AGAIN, IN A LESS
10:03:50 FORMAL SETTING FOR YOU GUYS TO BE ABLE TO SET THOSE
10:03:53 PRIORITIES AND TO ADOPT THEM AS YOUR OWN GOALS AND
10:03:57 OBJECTIVES.
10:03:57 AGAIN, I MENTIONED, YOU GUYS HAVE BROUGHT UP SOME QUESTIONS,
10:04:01 LEGAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE CRA AGENCY, AND
10:04:04 WE AGAIN WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT.
10:04:06 SO WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF SESSION TO ADDRESS.
10:04:10 YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL INQUIRIES ABOUT HOW DO WE DISSOLVE A CRA?
10:04:13 WHAT DOES IT TAKE?
10:04:14 WHAT'S THE PROCESS?
10:04:15 AND HOW DO WE LOOK AT DOING THAT?
10:04:17 WHAT'S THE TIMING FOR THAT?
10:04:19 SO LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BUT, AGAIN, NOT STRICTLY AS A
10:04:22 LEGAL DISCUSSION BUT WITHIN CONTEXT OF HOW WE'LL OPERATE.
10:04:25 LASTLY, THIS IS THAT SECOND MOTION.
10:04:29 WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU, WHAT IS IT THAT
10:04:32 YOU'RE LOOKING AT?
10:04:33 WE CAN'T IN A VACUUM COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, "HERE'S WHAT
10:04:37 WE RECOMMEND FOR YOUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR."
10:04:39 SO WE WANT THAT GIVE AND TAKE DISCUSSION WITH ALL OF YOU.
10:04:42 WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THIS POSITION?
10:04:45 WHAT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE?
10:04:48 WHAT PROCESSES WOULD WE LOOK AT HAVING SO WE CAN BETTER
10:04:51 DEFINE THAT WITHIN OUR LEGAL FRAMEWORK AND THEN WE CAN COME
10:04:56 BACK WITH, OKAY, THIS IS OUR PROCESS.
10:04:58 THIS IS HOW WE PARTNER TO GET THIS ISSUE RESOLVED AND CREATE
10:05:03 WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THAT MEETS YOUR NEEDS.
10:05:06 SO THAT'S IN A BIG NUTSHELL WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING.
10:05:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, UNLESS, CHIEF, YOU WANT
10:05:15 TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST.
10:05:17 >>JOHN BENNETT: I WANT TO POINT OUT, AS MICHELLE MENTIONED,
10:05:20 WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ROLL THESE TOGETHER IF WE THINK
10:05:24 WE WANT TO TIGHTEN THE AGENDA.
10:05:25 WE DON'T WANT TO DRAG THINGS OUT TO THE POINT WE'VE ALL
10:05:27 TALKED ABOUT.
10:05:28 WE WANT TO KEEP MOVING.
10:05:29 THERE WAS A DATE OF OCTOBER 28.
10:05:31 WE WANT TO SOCIALIZE WITH YOU AS AN OPPORTUNITY, IF
10:05:33 CALENDARS PERMIT, TO GET THIS SESSION.
10:05:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OCTOBER 28th?
10:05:41 >>JOHN BENNETT: YES.
10:05:42 WE COULD DO A FOUR-HOUR BLOCK EITHER IN THE MORNING, IN THE
10:05:45 MIDDAY AND OBVIOUSLY INCLUDE A WORKING LUNCH, ET CETERA.
10:05:50 WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN EARLY DATE AS OPPOSED TO
10:05:53 LETTING THIS CONCEPT MOVE DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
10:05:56 YOU CAN DISCUSS THAT CONTENT AS WELL AS DATE.
10:06:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WILL TAKE HOW LONG OF A TIME FRAME FOR
10:06:05 THAT?
10:06:06 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE WOULD BUDGET FOUR HOURS.
10:06:08 AS MICHELLE MENTIONED, IF WE NEED A SECOND ONE, THEN WE
10:06:11 COULD LOOK AND SOCIALIZE A DATE FOR THE SECOND VERSION.
10:06:15 WE COULD COMBINE THOSE AGENDAS TO START WITH.
10:06:18 IF WE COULDN'T GET IT DONE IN FOUR HOURS, THEN WE WOULD LOOK
10:06:22 FOR A SUBSEQUENT DATE.
10:06:23 MAYBE IT WOULD ONLY NEED TWO MORE HOURS AFTER THAT.
10:06:27 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING BACK ON THESE
10:06:30 ISSUES.
10:06:31 A FEW COMMENTS.
10:06:32 ONE, THANK YOU FOR THE URGENCY ON TRYING TO DO IT AS SOON AS
10:06:35 POSSIBLE.
10:06:36 I HAVE SOMETHING, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CHANGE FOR THE 28th IF
10:06:41 IT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
10:06:43 ON THE BACKGROUND, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR WORKSHOP NUMBER
10:06:47 1:I ASK THAT YOU LIMIT THAT TO HALF HOUR, HOUR.
10:06:50 WE'VE BEEN THROUGH LEGAL BRIEFINGS ON THE CRA.
10:06:53 I THINK WE READ 163.
10:06:54 I PASSED OUT THE GRAND JURY REPORT FROM MIAMI.
10:06:57 WE'VE ALL SAT THROUGH OTHER SEMINARS ON CRAs.
10:07:01 WE DON'T KNOW AS MUCH AS THE CRA MANAGERS.
10:07:04 I THINK IF YOU ALL HAVE OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU WANT US
10:07:06 TO READ OR SEE IN ADVANCE, SEND IT TO US AND THEN WE CAN
10:07:09 HAVE A BRIEFING ON WHAT WE LEARNED.
10:07:11 BUT SITTING THROUGH A TWO- OR THREE-HOUR LECTURE WOULD BE
10:07:15 HORRIBLE, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE PROBABLY KNOW 80% OF WHAT IS
10:07:19 GOING TO BE PRESENTED.
10:07:19 IT SHOULD BE MORE OF HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS, DISCUSSION,
10:07:23 ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT FILLING IN THE GAPS.
10:07:24 ON SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES, I REALLY WOULD LIKE THE
10:07:32 RESULT OF WHATEVER THIS PROCESS, THE PLANNING PROCESS TO BE
10:07:35 SOME KIND OF PLAN, MAYBE IT'S A TWO-PAGE PLAN, MAYBE A
10:07:39 TEN-PAGE PLAN, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE LONGER THAN THAT.
10:07:41 BUT THERE SHOULD BE A SET PLAN THAT HAS CRITERIA.
10:07:44 YOU MENTIONED THIS VERBALLY BUT NOT ON THE LIST, I THINK WE
10:07:48 NEED SPECIFIC CRITERIA OR GUIDELINES TO BE GIVEN TO THE
10:07:52 CACs AND THE DISTRICTS AS TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO
10:07:58 SPEND MONEY ON, WHAT WE WOULD NOT LIKE THEM TO SPEND MONEY
10:08:01 ON.
10:08:01 BECAUSE 163 MIGHT BE THIS WIDE AND WE MIGHT DECIDE THAT WE
10:08:05 WANT IT TO BE MORE NARROW.
10:08:06 SOME OF THE FOLKS FROM THE CACs HAVE ASKED FOR THAT.
10:08:10 THEY WOULD LIKE SOME GUIDELINES.
10:08:11 IT MIGHT CONTRADICT THE CURRENT ACTION PLANS OR IT MIGHT BE
10:08:17 IN CONJUNCTION, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD GIVE SOME GUIDELINES
10:08:20 AND THEN THEY COULD LOOK AT THAT.
10:08:22 BESIDES DISSOLVING CRAs, LOTS OF COMMUNITY LEADERS HAVE
10:08:26 GIVEN ME FEEDBACK THAT MAYBE INSTEAD OF DISSOLVING THEM, WE
10:08:29 COULD LOOK AT JUST CAPPING THEM, FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR CURRENT
10:08:33 OBLIGATIONS ARE ON SOME OF THEM OR WHAT WE THINK THE
10:08:36 OBLIGATIONS WILL BE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND THEN SET A CAP
10:08:40 ABOVE WHICH THE MONEY COULD GO BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND.
10:08:42 IF ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST DOING THAT IS THAT THE
10:08:45 COUNTY MONEY ALSO GOES IN THIS, THEN WE COULD PROPOSE AN
10:08:48 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
10:08:51 MY PHILOSOPHY ON CRAs IS THAT THEY GIVE THE WRONG
10:08:57 INCENTIVE TO FOCUS ON REAL ESTATE.
10:08:59 THEY FORCE THE REST OF THE CITY TO SUBSIDIZE THOSE AREAS,
10:09:05 AND IT SHOWS A LACK OF TRUST IN GOVERNMENT.
10:09:08 THE PURPOSE OF A CRA IS REALLY YOU DON'T TRUST THE
10:09:10 GOVERNMENT TO SPEND MONEY IN AN AREA WHERE YOU THINK IT
10:09:13 NEEDS TO BE SPENT.
10:09:14 THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USF AREA AND I THINK WE'LL
10:09:16 HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT SOON.
10:09:18 I HAD GIVEN FEEDBACK TO MARK AND OTHERS.
10:09:20 I THINK THE LAST THING WE SHOULD DO IS CREATE A CRA.
10:09:23 WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS HAVE THE DISCIPLINE TO PARTNER WITH THE
10:09:26 CITY AND COUNTY TO SEND -- TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND
10:09:30 IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY OUT THERE.
10:09:31 WE DON'T HAVE TO TRAP MONEY IN AN AREA TO DO IT.
10:09:34 SOME OF THE ONES DOWNTOWN, EVEN THOUGH I'M A BIG SUPPORTER
10:09:37 OF DOWNTOWN, IT'S VERY UNFAIR THAT THE REST OF THE CITY
10:09:40 SUBSIDIZES BASIC SERVICES IN THOSE AREAS.
10:09:42 ONE OF THE GUIDELINES WE NEED TO PUT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN
10:09:45 WHEN WE GIVE FEEDBACK IS THIS IS NOT MONEY IN THIS -- LET'S
10:09:52 TAKE CHANNELSIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR DOWNTOWN.
10:09:55 IT'S NOT MONEY IN THE AREA THAT IS THE MONEY OF THAT AREA
10:09:58 BEING SPENT IN THAT AREA.
10:09:59 IT IS THE MONEY OF THE ENTIRE CITY THAT THE REST OF THE CITY
10:10:01 IS NOT -- THE REST OF THE CITY IS SUBSIDIZING THE BASIC
10:10:04 SERVICES IN THE AREA, ALLOWING THAT MONEY TO BE THERE.
10:10:07 WE HAVE TO BE GOOD CUSTODIANS OF HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT.
10:10:11 THAT'S A LOT OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
10:10:14 I THINK THE MIND-SET, WELL, OUR MONEY, SPEND THE WAY WE WANT
10:10:17 ON WHAT WE WANT.
10:10:19 WE SHOULD GET INPUT BUT WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT
10:10:22 THE SACRIFICE IS THAT THE REST OF THE CITY IS MAKING FOR THE
10:10:25 CRAs TO EXIST AND WE HAVE TO BE GOOD CUSTODIANS OF THE
10:10:29 MONEY.
10:10:29 THE LAST THING IS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, I THINK WE SHOULD
10:10:33 MOVE VERY QUICKLY ON THAT, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED
10:10:36 TO GET CRITERIA.
10:10:38 IDEALLY, WE'D USE SOME KIND OF SEARCH FIRM.
10:10:43 I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE HEAD OF ECONOMIC
10:10:46 DEVELOPMENT.
10:10:47 I'VE BEEN GIVING SOME FEEDBACK TO STAFF ABOUT WHAT KIND OF
10:10:51 PERSON I THINK SHOULD BE IN THERE.
10:10:52 BUT IF WE'RE DOING A SEARCH FOR THAT PERSON, WE MIGHT WANT
10:10:55 TO DO THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.
10:10:57 I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D HAVE TO PAY AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM
10:11:00 TWICE OR IF THEY COULD DO A SIMILAR KIND OF SEARCH.
10:11:03 THIS ONE MAY BE MORE REAL ESTATE FOCUSED AND MORE LOCALLY
10:11:08 FOCUSED, WHERE THE OTHER ONE MAY BE INTERNALLY FOCUSED ALSO.
10:11:14 -- INTERNATIONALLY FOCUSED ALSO.
10:11:17 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE DO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
10:11:18 WE WANT THE INCLUSIVITY OF COUNCIL IN THE SEARCH PROCESS AND
10:11:21 THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LANGUAGE FOR THE SEARCH PROCESS.
10:11:24 WE'RE VERY AMENABLE TO THAT.
10:11:26 WE JUST THOUGHT CON JOINING THAT TO THE STRATEGIC WORKSHOP
10:11:29 WOULD BRING OUT SOME OF THOSE DESCRIPTORS.
10:11:32 >>BILL CARLSON: ON THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT, I PROPOSED THAT
10:11:39 MAYBE WE -- THAT THE CRA WOULD PAY THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF
10:11:43 BUDGET, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST HIRE THE CRA PERSON OUT OF
10:11:47 THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET LIKE WE DO WITH MARTY AND THE
10:11:49 LEGISLATIVE AIDES.
10:11:50 DID YOU ALL GET ANY LEGAL FEEDBACK ON THAT?
10:11:54 >>JOHN BENNETT: ANDREA --
10:11:56 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
10:11:58 I THINK IN THE PAST, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN BOB
10:12:01 McDONAUGH WAS IN THE POSITION, HALF OF HIS SALARY CAME
10:12:04 FROM THE CRA BUDGET AND HALF CAME FROM THE CITY BUDGET.
10:12:07 >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS A PROPOSED CHANGE.
10:12:09 McDONAUGH, WHAT WE DID IS WE APPROVED THE BUDGET THE WAY
10:12:13 IT WAS SO THE CITY CAN STILL USE THE MONEY THAT WAS IN THERE
10:12:18 FOR HALF OF BOB McDONAUGH, STILL IN THE 1.7 MILLION, BUT
10:12:22 WHAT I PROPOSED ANYWAY IS THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE CRA
10:12:26 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THAT WOULD BE PAID OUT OF -- IDEALLY PAID
10:12:29 OUT OF CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, BUT IT WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE
10:12:34 CRA AND IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE POSITION ALTOGETHER, BECAUSE
10:12:37 WE NEED SOMEBODY TO FOCUS ON CRAs 100% OF THE TIME.
10:12:42 ALSO, IF WE HAVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR
10:12:45 THE DECISIONS MADE IN THE CRAs, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
10:12:48 THAT THE PERSON REPORTING TO US IS REPORTING TO US.
10:12:51 AND THEN ALSO IDEALLY IT WOULD SAVE TIME FOR THE CRA
10:12:55 MANAGERS BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL, SITTING AS THE CRA, WOULD
10:12:59 ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON REALLY TO DEAL WITH INSTEAD OF THE
10:13:03 MANAGERS HAVING TO HAVE SEVEN MEETINGS ON EVERY ISSUE.
10:13:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOUR QUESTION, WHY CAN'T
10:13:10 THIS BE DONE IN HALF HOUR, THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY IT
10:13:14 CAN'T BE DONE.
10:13:15 THIS IN MY OPINION SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AT A WORKSHOP.
10:13:17 PROBABLY TAKE TWO HOURS, THREE HOURS.
10:13:19 THESE ARE THINGS WE CAN DISCUSS THEN AND THERE.
10:13:22 I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOU FOR A
10:13:26 LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT CRAs.
10:13:28 BUT THIS BOARD JUST REAFFIRMS WHAT THE CRA BOARDS BRING TO
10:13:32 US.
10:13:33 THE DECISIONS THAT THE CRA BOARDS BRING TO US ARE PERCOLATED
10:13:37 FROM THE COMMUNITY TO THE COMMITTEES TO THE BOARDS TO US.
10:13:40 IF WE START PLACING DEMANDS ON THESE BOARDS AND WE'RE DOING
10:13:44 THE BOARDS DISJUSTICE.
10:13:47 >>BILL CARLSON: MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW IS IT'S THE
10:13:49 OTHER WAY AROUND.
10:13:50 WE ASK THE CACs TO GIVE US FEEDBACK BUT WE SET THE
10:13:54 GUIDELINES.
10:13:54 WE COULD MAKE THE DECISIONS TO FUND THESE THE WAY WE WANT.
10:13:57 MY ARGUMENT IS THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM GUIDELINES -- AS I
10:14:02 GO AROUND AND MEET IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE ARE ASKING US TO
10:14:04 HAVE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF FISCAL
10:14:07 RESPONSIBILITY THE LAST FEW YEARS ACROSS THE BOARD AND IN
10:14:09 PARTICULAR, SINCE WE CONTROL THE CRAs, WE NEED TO MAKE
10:14:12 SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT.
10:14:13 NOT TO SAY PARTICULARLY IN THE CRAs IT WASN'T, BUT WE NEED
10:14:18 TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT.
10:14:19 TO THE POINT ABOUT THE TIMING, I'M SUGGESTING HALF HOUR ONLY
10:14:23 ON THE REVIEW OF THE LAW AND THE EXISTING GUIDELINES.
10:14:26 A FOUR-HOUR WORKSHOP ON PLANNING, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF,
10:14:29 AND DISCUSSION ON WHAT KIND OF PERSON, HOW ON THE EXECUTIVE
10:14:32 DIRECTOR, THAT MIGHT, AS YOU SAID, TAKE AN HOUR OR TWO BY
10:14:35 ITSELF.
10:14:36 I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION AND SEE IF YOU ALL HAVE DONE
10:14:39 ANY RESEARCH ON IT.
10:14:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HANG ON ONE SECOND.
10:14:41 I'LL GIVE YOU A TURN.
10:14:43 AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:14:50 MICHELLE, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE?
10:14:53 CAN WE TALK ABOUT FIRST BRINGING ON THE DIRECTOR THAT WILL
10:14:59 BE FOR US ON OCTOBER 28th AND DISCUSS THAT FOR HALF HOUR,
10:15:06 HOUR AND THEN GO INTO THE WORKSHOP?
10:15:09 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: SURE.
10:15:10 AS PART OF THE WORKSHOP.
10:15:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CORRECT.
10:15:16 BECAUSE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FOR THAT.
10:15:18 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: WE CAN PUT IT IN THE ORDER THAT YOU
10:15:20 NEED.
10:15:22 WE JUST PUT IT AS LEADING UP TO SOME OF THESE BIGGER
10:15:27 DECISION MAKINGS.
10:15:28 IT'S YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP, SO WE CAN PUT IT IN
10:15:31 THE ORDER THAT YOU PREFER.
10:15:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND THEN COUNCILMAN
10:15:36 VIERA.
10:15:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS, NUMBER ONE,
10:15:39 MICHELLE AND, JOHN, I APPRECIATE THIS PROPOSAL.
10:15:43 I AGREE WITH MR. BENNETT.
10:15:45 I THINK WE CAN CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THIS INTO A THREE-,
10:15:49 FOUR-HOUR WORKSHOP.
10:15:51 HOWEVER YOU AND THE CHAIR SET IT UP IN TERMS OF SEQUENCE,
10:15:54 I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE CHAIR, IN MY OPINION.
10:15:56 AT THE WORKSHOP, WE DO NEED TO RESOLVE OR AT LEAST GO INTO
10:16:06 DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG OR THE DOG WAGGING
10:16:13 THE TAIL.
10:16:13 MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO THAT AS DID SOME OF THE
10:16:17 OTHER MEMBERS IN REGARD TO THE ROLE OF THE CAC.
10:16:21 MICHELLE SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, I BELIEVE, UNDER LAW, THEY
10:16:24 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US, AND THEN WE WRESTLE WITH THOSE
10:16:30 RECOMMENDATIONS AND I STRESS THAT WORD.
10:16:32 I THINK THAT THAT'S EXTREMELY RELEVANT TO CERTAIN THINGS
10:16:38 GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.
10:16:40 YES, WE NEED TO TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS VERY SERIOUSLY,
10:16:44 BUT I THINK THIS BODY NEEDS TO DECIDE AT THE END OF THE DAY
10:16:51 WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THESE FINAL DECISIONS.
10:16:54 THAT'S NOT FOR TODAY, BUT THAT'S CLEARLY A BIG-PICTURE
10:17:00 DISCUSSION FOR THIS WORKSHOP.
10:17:01 MR. CARLSON, I WANTED TO RESPOND TO ONE THING.
10:17:05 I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM IN REGARD TO -- ESPECIALLY
10:17:09 YOU.
10:17:09 YOU MADE REFERENCE TO CHANNELSIDE DOWNTOWN, THAT SORT OF
10:17:11 THING.
10:17:12 BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT ONE SIZE
10:17:15 DOESN'T FIT ALL, BECAUSE WE REALLY, IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE
10:17:20 DIFFERENT ANIMALS OUT THERE IN HAD REGARD TO THE DIFFERENT
10:17:27 CRA DISTRICTS.
10:17:28 THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT, AND THAT HAS POPPED UP IN THE
10:17:34 CONTEXT OF THE FACADE IMPROVEMENTS.
10:17:37 MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD FIT FOR DOWNTOWN BUT OUT IN WEST TAMPA
10:17:40 OR EAST TAMPA IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
10:17:42 I THINK, AGAIN, PHILOSOPHICALLY, WHEN WE GET INTO THIS
10:17:45 WORKSHOP, I THINK WE NEED TO WRESTLE WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
10:17:48 I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON DOWNTOWN AND CHANNELSIDE.
10:17:51 MAYBE WE NEED TO TINKER WITH THAT WHOLE PICTURE, BUT OUT
10:17:57 THERE IN EAST TAMPA AND WEST TAMPA AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER
10:17:59 DREW PARK, ET CETERA, SOME OF THOSE OTHER DISTRICTS, I THINK
10:18:04 IT'S VERY -- IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT THE MONEY THAT'S
10:18:07 GENERATED IN THOSE DISTRICTS STAYS IN THOSE DISTRICTS,
10:18:10 BECAUSE THOSE DISTRICTS HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.
10:18:13 SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT.
10:18:17 IN REGARD TO DISSOLVING CRAs, I THINK YOU KIND OF NIPPED
10:18:21 THAT ONE IN THE BUD, BILL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL
10:18:25 ON THAT, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, LET'S NOT ONLY GET A
10:18:29 LEGAL ANALYSIS BUT ALSO A POLICY PERSPECTIVE ON THE PROS AND
10:18:33 CONS OF DISSOLUTION.
10:18:37 CRAs ARE NOT EASY TO COME BY AND ONCE WE HAVE THEM, WE
10:18:41 NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT THEIR FUTURES.
10:18:42 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:18:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:18:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:18:46 I ALSO WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS BY MY FRIEND AND
10:18:49 COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:18:51 A LOT OF THEM ARE VERY WELL TAKEN AND I CAN AGREE WITH A LOT
10:18:55 OF THEM.
10:18:56 I THINK AS AN OVERALL NARRATIVE WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL -- HOW
10:19:00 SHALL I PUT THIS -- TALLAHASSEE'S WORK FOR THEM.
10:19:03 WE KNOW TALLAHASSEE HAS AN AGENDA WHENEVER IT COMES TO
10:19:06 CRAs.
10:19:07 TALLAHASSEE IS LOOKING FOR WRONGDOERS IN CRAs.
10:19:11 IF THEY CAN'T FIND THEM, THEN THEY WILL FIND THEM WHERE
10:19:13 THERE ARE GOOD CRAs.
10:19:15 WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CRAs ARE, GENERALLY
10:19:17 SPEAKING, VERY GOOD.
10:19:19 THEY ARE VERY WELL RUN, AS A GENERAL RULE.
10:19:22 TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE NOT BEING WELL RUN, WE'RE MAKING
10:19:25 IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD SYSTEM.
10:19:27 WHILE THERE WERE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE MADE,
10:19:30 WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING
10:19:33 TALLAHASSEE'S WORK FOR THEM.
10:19:35 THE GENERAL IDEA OF THE CRA, WHICH IS TO FIND AREAS IN A
10:19:39 COMMUNITY THAT ARE BLIGHTED WHERE YOU CAN HAVE SOME TARGETED
10:19:42 IMPACTS ECONOMICALLY MADE ON THOSE COMMUNITIES THROUGH
10:19:45 TAXABLE INCREASE IN THOSE PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES IS ONE THAT
10:19:49 IS TILL WORTHY.
10:19:51 I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED THE USF AREA.
10:19:53 I'D CERTAINLY LIKE SOMETHING FOR THE USF AREA.
10:19:56 SOMETHING DOWN THE LINE FOR OUR FRIENDS IN SULPHUR SPRINGS
10:19:59 AS WELL.
10:20:00 WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO CRA THE WHOLE CITY.
10:20:02 YOU KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS THE RISK, RIGHT?
10:20:04 IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IS A TOOL THAT I THINK IS VERY
10:20:06 EFFECTIVE.
10:20:06 I DON'T THINK IT'S CORRECT TO LOOK AT IT AS IF WE SUBSIDIZE
10:20:11 ONE PART OF THE CITY BY ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY.
10:20:14 WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BY DEFINITION IS TAKING AREAS THAT ARE
10:20:18 BLIGHTED WHERE THE COLLECTIVE GETS TOGETHER AND HELPS MAKE
10:20:21 ECONOMIC IMPACTS IN THOSE AREAS.
10:20:23 I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A DISTRIBUTION OF CITY WEALTH FROM ONE
10:20:29 PART TO THE OTHER.
10:20:29 I LOOK AT IT AS THE CITY COMING TOGETHER TO HELP BLIGHTED
10:20:34 AREAS.
10:20:34 AND TO THE EXTENT THIS HAS TO DO WITH TRUST WITH GOVERNMENT,
10:20:38 AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO SUBSIDIZE TALLAHASSEE'S GROSS
10:20:41 MISTRUST OF CITIES, WHICH WE'VE JUST BEGIN TO SEE WITH SOME
10:20:45 CRA LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED AND SOME ONES THAT HAVE BEEN
10:20:49 PROPOSED AND THEY ARE DEVELOPING POLITICAL LEGS.
10:20:52 LET'S NOT HELP THE POLITICAL LEGS GROW.
10:20:54 THAT'S MY ONLY CAUTION.
10:20:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
10:20:57 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:21:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS A PERSON WHO HAD A LITTLE TIME ON A CRA
10:21:06 AND HAVE GONE TO OTHER CRA MEETINGS, THEY ALL OPERATE
10:21:10 DIFFERENTLY.
10:21:11 EAST TAMPA BEING ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE ONES I'VE EVER SEEN.
10:21:16 YOU'VE GOT A CAC BOARD WHO MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS
10:21:21 BODY.
10:21:22 THEN YOU HAVE, YEARS AGO, A COMMUNITY-TYPE BOARD, BUT REALLY
10:21:26 DON'T REALLY HAVE THE POWER, BUT JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION
10:21:30 THEY WANT TO THE CAC BOARD, BUT ACTUALLY THE CAC BOARD IS
10:21:33 THE ONE EMPOWERED TO COME TO THIS BODY TO MAKE A DECISION.
10:21:37 BY DEFINITION, MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT THAT THIS BOARD IS
10:21:41 EMPOWERED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
10:21:43 BUT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WE ALLOW OUR CAC BOARDS TO BRING
10:21:51 THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US.
10:21:52 MY BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE PUT THE
10:21:55 FOOT ON THE GAS ON IS TO HIRE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
10:21:57 I BELIEVE I SPOKE TO MS. VAN LOAN YESTERDAY IN REFERENCE TO
10:22:04 THAT.
10:22:06 I BELIEVE YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO MASTERS.
10:22:07 I THINK THAT'S BEEN KIND OF THE PROBLEM A LITTLE BIT WHEN
10:22:10 TALKING TO A LOT OF THE CAC BOARDS.
10:22:12 I LOOK AT YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE BODY HERE, ANOTHER BODY HERE,
10:22:19 AND YET YOU HAVE YOUR MANAGERS WHO LOOK AT THE CRA BOARD,
10:22:26 BUT THEY LOOK AT THE CITY AS THE ULTIMATE MASTER.
10:22:32 THAT DOESN'T WORK WELL.
10:22:33 I LOOK AT HAVING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WHO ANSWERS TO THIS
10:22:38 BOARD, THE LIAISON WITH WHOEVER THE CITY HIRES AND HAVE A
10:22:42 WORKING RELATIONSHIP.
10:22:44 BUT I BELIEVE THE MANAGERS HAVE TO BE IN AN AREA,
10:22:49 LEGISLATIVE AIDES AND THEY ARE ANSWERING DIRECTLY TO THAT
10:22:51 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WHO IS GIVING THEM DIRECTION, WHO IS
10:22:55 WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY PERSON.
10:22:58 I JUST THINK, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO DIFFERENT BODIES AND
10:23:04 EXPECT IT TO BE PERFECT.
10:23:08 I DON'T SEE THAT.
10:23:09 I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
10:23:11 I THINK HIRING SOMEBODY WHO IS STRICTLY SOLELY RESPONSIBLE
10:23:16 FOR THE CRAs, WHO CAN GO INTO EACH CRA AND CLEAN UP
10:23:20 WHATEVER DIFFICULTIES THEY ARE HAVING, I THINK THAT IS THE
10:23:23 WAY TO GO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE PERSON FOR THE CITY
10:23:29 WHO HAS TO WORRY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER AREAS WHO DON'T
10:23:33 HAVE CRAs AND TRY TO MANAGE EIGHT CRAs.
10:23:36 I JUST DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE THAT PERSON'S TIME IS NOT ALL
10:23:41 GENERATED TO THE CRAs.
10:23:44 I JUST THINK THAT HAVING A SEPARATE BODY, BEING A LIAISON
10:23:50 WITH THE CITY WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT.
10:23:54 >>JOHN BENNETT: I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A MOMENT OF
10:23:56 FEEDBACK PENDING OUR STRATEGIC WORKSHOP ON WHAT COUNCILMAN
10:23:59 GUDES MENTIONED.
10:24:00 THE ADMINISTRATION HEARD THAT LAST TIME WE WERE HERE
10:24:02 TOGETHER.
10:24:03 WE REALIZED THAT THAT CRA MANAGER NEEDS TO BE LASER-FOCUSED
10:24:08 IN SERVING THIS BOARD AND WORKING WITH YOU AND OUR CRA
10:24:13 MANAGERS TO GET THE JOB DONE IN THE FIELD AND TO GET THOSE
10:24:16 PROCESSES THAT THE CHAIRMAN TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME TO YOU TO
10:24:21 MAKE -- TO GIVE YOU THAT DECISION AND SUPPORT THAT YOU NEED
10:24:26 TO DO THE BEST THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THE PRIORITIES OF
10:24:27 WHAT THIS FUNDING AND THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS HAVE
10:24:30 BROUGHT US.
10:24:31 I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF GROWTH OUT OF THE
10:24:33 STRATEGIC WORKSHOP IN THAT SPACE.
10:24:35 I THINK THE COLLECTIVE ENERGY IN THIS ROOM TO GIVE US THE
10:24:38 RIGHT FRAMEWORK TO HIRE THE RIGHT PERSON, RECRUIT
10:24:42 NATIONALLY, INTERNATIONALLY, WHATEVER IT TAKES.
10:24:44 THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE LEFT ON THIS MOTION ITEM IS
10:24:49 WE FEEL COMFORTABLE AS A STAFF THAT WE CAN INTERNALLY
10:24:52 FACILITATE THIS FOUR HOURS.
10:24:54 BUT THERE IS ALSO AN OPTION TO LOOK FOR AN OUTSIDE
10:24:57 FACILITATOR, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE COULD -- THAT'S JUST
10:25:00 ANOTHER VOICE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TRANSFER ALL THIS
10:25:02 INFORMATION TO AND THEN TRY AND GET SOMEBODY HERE BY THE
10:25:05 28th.
10:25:06 I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST OPTION, BUT I DON'T WANT TO
10:25:08 LEAVE IT OFF THE TABLE SINCE IT IS AN OPTION.
10:25:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MEAN, WHATEVER THE BOARD DECIDES I'M
10:25:14 WILLING TO BE A PART OF TO GET THE INFORMATION, HAVE
10:25:16 DISCUSSION.
10:25:17 HOUR, THREE HOURS OR FOUR HOURS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO
10:25:21 ME.
10:25:22 I'LL GO ALONG WITH THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.
10:25:24 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE START MOVING, PUTTING THE FOOT ON THE
10:25:27 GAS NOW.
10:25:27 WE CAN'T BE WAITING, WAITING.
10:25:29 WE HAVE TO MOVE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THINGS MOVING IN
10:25:32 THESE CRAs, HOUSING.
10:25:35 MAKING SURE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.
10:25:37 MAKING SURE THE ESSENTIAL PRODUCTS ARE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE
10:25:39 FROM THE TIF DOLLARS.
10:25:41 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS FIRST
10:25:43 WORKSHOP BE WITHIN TWO WEEKS, IF YOU COUNT WORKING DAYS.
10:25:46 WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
10:25:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:25:50 AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, AS LONG AS I'M HERE, WHATEVER THAT
10:25:54 LENGTH OF TIME MAY BE, I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR ANOTHER CRA BE
10:25:59 STARTED ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
10:26:00 I HAVE VARIOUS REASONS.
10:26:01 LAST YEAR WAS 25 MILLION OFF THE BUDGET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
10:26:04 GENERAL FUND.
10:26:05 25.
10:26:05 YOU KEEP IT GOING ON, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE, 50?
10:26:09 THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY?
10:26:11 AIN'T MY FAULT, I GAVE IT OUT TO THE CRA.
10:26:15 THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HANDLING IT.
10:26:18 WE GOT ELECTED TO BE RESPONSIBLE YOU CAN'T CONTINUE GOING
10:26:21 DOWN THIS ROAD AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
10:26:25 WHEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC PAYS TAXES AND THE CRAs AFTER THAT
10:26:33 MINIMUM GOES UP, IS THEIRS, THAT GENERAL PUBLIC WHO DOES NOT
10:26:38 HAVE A CRA IS IN ESSENCE SUBSIDIZING THE CRA.
10:26:42 YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ANY WAY YOU WANT.
10:26:43 LEGALLY, FINANCIALLY, IT COMES OUT TO DOLLARS.
10:26:47 AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE BENEFIT THEY SHOULD BE.
10:26:55 I UNDERSTAND BLIGHT.
10:26:55 I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO FACE IT AND YOU GOT TO DO IT.
10:26:58 I HEARD THINGS ABOUT DOWNTOWN, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
10:27:01 WHEN YOU BECOME FAILURE IS WHEN YOU TRY TO SOLVE ALL THE
10:27:07 PROBLEMS AT ONCE.
10:27:07 CAN'T DO IT.
10:27:09 YEARS AGO, THIS CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING GOING FORWARD.
10:27:14 NOW WE'RE ARGUING BECAUSE WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT
10:27:16 DIRECTION.
10:27:17 WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS: WESTSHORE WENT DOWNTOWN.
10:27:21 DOWNTOWN WENT WESTSHORE.
10:27:23 EAST TAMPA WENT WEST TAMPA.
10:27:25 WHAT YOU HAVE IS FAILURE.
10:27:28 WHY DID THEY DO DOWNTOWN?
10:27:30 WHY DO YOU HAVE YOUR HEART IN YOUR CHEST?
10:27:33 THE BLOOD HAS GOT TO GO DOWN TO YOUR KNEES AND FEET.
10:27:37 GOT TO GO UP TO YOUR BRAIN.
10:27:39 SOMEBODY HAS TO PUMP IT.
10:27:41 NAME ME ONE CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A POPULATION OF 250,000.
10:27:45 250,000.
10:27:50 THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DOWNTOWN THAT IS MOVING FORWARD IN
10:27:55 GREAT ACCELERATION.
10:27:56 I'LL TELL YOU HOW MANY THERE ARE, NONE.
10:27:59 SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CITY, WHETHER IT'S
10:28:02 DOWNTOWN, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, SOUTH TAMPA, BELMONT
10:28:05 HEIGHTS.
10:28:07 I DON'T CARE WHERE.
10:28:08 YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME POINT THAT IS A VOCAL POINT OF THE
10:28:14 CITY.
10:28:14 WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE FAILURE.
10:28:17 WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE '50s IN TAMPA?
10:28:20 VIBRANT DOWNTOWN.
10:28:23 YOU ALSO HAD TRANSPORTATION.
10:28:25 YOU ALSO HAD STREETCARS.
10:28:27 THE SAME THING WE GOT RID OF WE WANT AGAIN.
10:28:32 SO WHY DID YOU GET RID OF THEM?
10:28:35 LIFE IS NOTHING BUT A CIRCLE AND IT KEEPS FOLLOWING YOU
10:28:37 AROUND.
10:28:38 IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
10:28:39 YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SMART TO FIGURE THIS THING OUT.
10:28:42 IF YOU HAD, I WOULDN'T BE SAYING IT.
10:28:44 SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT
10:28:48 SOMETHING HAS GOT TO START SOMEWHERE SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN
10:28:51 SEE IT.
10:28:52 IF YOU HAVE VAST AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT BLIGHT AND
10:28:55 HOUSES THAT REALLY NEED REPAIR AND YOU FIX ONE IN ONE CORNER
10:28:59 AND ONE IN THE OTHER CORNER AND IN FOUR CORNERS YOU BUILT A
10:29:02 NEW HOUSE, NO ONE EVER SEES IT.
10:29:05 NO ONE.
10:29:06 BUT IF YOU BUILT THOSE FOUR HOUSES ON ONE BLOCK, YOU SEE A
10:29:09 BIG CHANGE.
10:29:10 PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT.
10:29:11 PEOPLE START TO BUILD.
10:29:12 PEOPLE START TO MOW THE GRASS.
10:29:14 PEOPLE FEEL ENERGIZED.
10:29:17 THAT'S WHY YOU HAD TO DO DOWNTOWN.
10:29:19 GUESS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
10:29:21 LOOK AT THE MIDTOWN PROJECT.
10:29:23 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE WESTSHORE MALL.
10:29:28 DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO STAY LIKE IT IS?
10:29:31 ANY TAKERS AND I'LL GAMBLE ON IT.
10:29:34 IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE.
10:29:35 IT IS GOING TO CHANGE TO SOMETHING VIBRANT.
10:29:39 IT WAS VIBRANT BEFORE, BUT NEW THINGS COME ONLINE.
10:29:42 REMEMBER WHEN YOU WENT TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET A SHOT, THEY
10:29:46 HAD TO -- THEY DON'T DO THAT NO MORE.
10:29:53 WHY?
10:29:54 FIRST OF ALL, TOO COSTLY.
10:29:55 SECOND, INFECTIONS.
10:29:58 NOW YOU HAVE THE NEEDLES THAT ARE REALLY EASY TO PUT IN AND
10:30:01 THROW THEM AWAY.
10:30:02 THINGS CHANGE.
10:30:02 MY HAIR CHANGED.
10:30:04 EVERYTHING CHANGES.
10:30:05 WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO
10:30:09 COMPLICATE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NOT COMPLICATED.
10:30:12 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:30:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:30:18 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST PIGGYBACKING REAL FAST ON WHAT
10:30:20 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID.
10:30:22 I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR ANY NEW CRAs EITHER.
10:30:24 I'M VERY COMMITTED TO HELPING ALL PARTS OF THE CITY.
10:30:27 ONE OF THE PARTS THAT I SPENT A LOT OF VOLUNTEER TIME WITH
10:30:30 IS THE USF AREA AND MARK SHARPE'S GROUP.
10:30:32 I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A CRA IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION.
10:30:36 BESIDES TRAPPING THE MONEY AND MAKING EVERYBODY ELSE
10:30:39 SUBSIDIZE, WHAT IT DOES IS GIVE AN INCENTIVE FOR REAL ESTATE
10:30:42 DEVELOPMENT.
10:30:42 THE ONLY WAY YOU GET MONEY TO PUT INTO A CRA IS IF YOU
10:30:46 DEVELOP REAL ESTATE BECAUSE THEN YOU GET THE TAX MONEY TO GO
10:30:49 IN IT.
10:30:50 I DON'T THINK THE PROBLEM IN THE USF AREA IS REAL ESTATE.
10:30:52 IT'S POVERTY.
10:30:53 IT'S GETTING CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE
10:30:56 THERE AND THE RESEARCH THAT'S GOING ON.
10:31:00 HOW DO WE CONNECT THE DOTS ON THAT?
10:31:02 HOW DO WE BUILD THE ORGANIC NATURE OF THINGS?
10:31:04 HOW DO WE HELP PEOPLE TO START BUSINESSES AND MOVE OUT OF
10:31:08 POVERTY?
10:31:08 THOSE ARE NOT REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES.
10:31:11 IF YOU WORK ON WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN THE USF AREA, IT'S
10:31:14 NOT GOING TO RESULT IN HIGH AD VALOREM TAXES NECESSARILY.
10:31:17 BUT IF WE SET UP A CRA, WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON AD
10:31:21 VALOREM TAXES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'RE INCENTIVIZED.
10:31:24 WHAT I WOULD RATHER DO, WE CAN SET UP SOMETHING LIKE A CAC
10:31:28 IN THE DISTRICT AND ASK THAT THE COMMUNITY COME BACK AND
10:31:30 GIVE US ADVICE ON WHAT WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY TO HELP, LIKE
10:31:34 BEAUTIFYING FOWLER AND BUSCH BOULEVARD AND THEN ASK THE
10:31:39 MAYOR AND STAFF TO FUND THAT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS OR
10:31:41 OTHER FUNDS.
10:31:42 WE DON'T HAVE TO SET UP SOMETHING TO TRAP IT.
10:31:44 ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE WHEN WE GET TO THOSE
10:31:47 ISSUES.
10:31:48 JUST TO RESPOND TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, I THINK THAT YOUR
10:31:57 STAFF IS WELL-SUITED TO FACILITATE THIS.
10:31:58 SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY.
10:31:59 IF YOU WANT TO, FINE, OR IF MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO, BUT I
10:32:03 DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO IT.
10:32:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYBODY ELSE?
10:32:06 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:32:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST STRUCTURALLY, WE WERE AT ITEM 3 AND
10:32:11 MR. CARLSON WAS TALKING ABOUT REVISING THE 18 DIFFERENT
10:32:18 PROVISIONS IN THE CONTRACT.
10:32:21 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE PART AND PARCEL OF OUR
10:32:26 WORKSHOP.
10:32:27 THAT JUST SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE IN TERMS OF REVAMP, IF THERE'S
10:32:33 REVAMPING TO BE DONE ON THOSE 18 ITEMS, THAT WOULD SEEM TO
10:32:37 BE THE LOGICAL PLACE TO DO IT.
10:32:39 I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT, BILL.
10:32:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:32:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M FINE WITH THAT.
10:32:47 THE MORE DISCUSSION WE HAVE ON ANY OF THIS STUFF IS FINE
10:32:50 WITH ME.
10:32:51 MY MAIN OBJECTION TO THAT LIST IS THAT IT'S VERY REAL ESTATE
10:32:54 FOCUSED.
10:32:54 WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE DRAFT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS JUST
10:32:57 SET UP LIKE SIX OR EIGHT BUCKETS OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO.
10:33:00 RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A SCOPE OF WORK AND IT'S
10:33:04 MORE LIMITING.
10:33:05 WHAT I'D RATHER DO IS PUT THE BUCKETS TO MAKE IT KIND OF
10:33:09 LESS LIMITING AND TO MAKE IT ON THE SURFACE LOOK LIKE IT'S
10:33:13 LESS FOCUSED ON REAL ESTATE.
10:33:15 AS THEY COME BACK, YOU ALL CAN GIVE FEEDBACK TO THEM OR WE
10:33:18 CAN DISCUSS IT IN THE WORKSHOP.
10:33:20 UP TO YOU.
10:33:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FIRST, LET'S DO THIS.
10:33:24 WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON
10:33:28 OCTOBER 28th AT A CERTAIN TIME?
10:33:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MOVE THAT, AND ALSO A REQUEST THAT
10:33:33 STAFF INCLUDE THOSE 18 ITEMS SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT.
10:33:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE ISSUE.
10:33:40 FOR NOW, FOR A MOTION.
10:33:41 COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO THE 24th.
10:33:44 14th.
10:33:46 EXCUSE ME.
10:33:47 OF NOVEMBER.
10:33:48 THAT WAS BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, JOHN.
10:33:58 >>BILL CARLSON: THEY WEREN'T READY WITH THE PROPOSAL YET, SO
10:34:00 WE JUST ASKED TO MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER 14.
10:34:03 I'M OKAY IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT TO THE 28th.
10:34:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE
10:34:08 A MOTION FOR THE 28?
10:34:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'D LIKE US TO HAVE THE WORKSHOP ON THE
10:34:12 28th.
10:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT WHAT TIME?
10:34:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 9 A.M.
10:34:16 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, I THINK THE CLERK WANTED TO
10:34:18 INTERJECT.
10:34:18 ONE THING THAT YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT WE DO NEED TO
10:34:21 PROVIDE NOTICE OF THE WORKSHOP.
10:34:24 WE DO NEED TO ENSURE THAT IT'S RECORDED.
10:34:27 WE DO NEED TO MAKE IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND, NOT
10:34:30 NECESSARILY TO PARTICIPATE.
10:34:31 WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT THE MOTION INCLUDE
10:34:36 LANGUAGE REQUIRING THE STAFF TO COORDINATE THIS WITH THE
10:34:38 CLERK'S OFFICE, UNLESS THE CLERK'S OFFICE WANTED TO
10:34:42 INTERJECT SOMETHING NOW.
10:34:44 >>THE CLERK: NO, MA'AM.
10:34:47 JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:34:47 I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE WORKSHOP DATE IS THE
10:34:48 24th, NOT THE 28th.
10:34:50 24th OF OCTOBER.
10:35:00 >>JOHN BENNETT: THIS IS A DIFFERENT WORKSHOP.
10:35:01 THIS IS A STAND-ALONE RECOMMENDATION.
10:35:03 >>THE CLERK: OKAY.
10:35:03 SO THIS WOULD BE FOR A SPECIAL-CALLED WORKSHOP ON MONDAY,
10:35:05 THE 28th.
10:35:06 >> YES, SIR.
10:35:06 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:35:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
10:35:11 MAKE THAT MOTION.
10:35:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CORRECT.
10:35:13 AND INCORPORATING MS. ZELMAN'S SUGGESTIONS OR
10:35:16 RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT -- OBVIOUSLY, ABOUT PROPER NOTICE, VIA
10:35:21 THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND ALSO COORDINATION WITH CTTV,
10:35:27 ET CETERA.
10:35:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION DULY MADE AND SECONDED.
10:35:31 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:35:32 ALL OPPOSED.
10:35:35 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED.
10:35:36 JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:35:38 MAY I CLARIFY?
10:35:39 THAT IS FOR ITEM 3 ON TODAY'S AGENDA TO BE INCLUDED IN THE
10:35:43 SPECIAL WORKSHOP ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 28th?
10:35:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, WE DIDN'T GET TO ITEM 3 YET.
10:35:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS GOING TO ASK COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF HE
10:35:53 DOESN'T MIND, EITHER RESCINDING HIS MOTION OR MAKING THE
10:35:57 MOTION TO INCLUDE ITEM AGENDA 3 TO THE 28th.
10:36:03 >>BILL CARLSON: I LISTENED TO WHAT YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES
10:36:06 AGO ABOUT THE CACs.
10:36:08 JUST SO EVERYBODY LISTENING KNOWS, I THINK IT'S VERY
10:36:10 IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.
10:36:12 IT'S MY BUSINESS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY ON ISSUES.
10:36:15 I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT
10:36:19 THEY HAVE TO SAY.
10:36:20 WITH THAT IN MIND, CLERK OR SOMEBODY SPECIFICALLY INVITE ALL
10:36:23 THE CAC MEMBERS OF ALL THE DISTRICTS?
10:36:27 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALLOWED FOR SUNSHINE, BUT IF WE'RE
10:36:30 ALLOWED TO INVITE ALL OF THEM, I THINK THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO
10:36:34 THE PROCESS.
10:36:35 I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAVE BEEN WATCHING FROM THE OUTSIDE AND
10:36:37 THEY ARE WORRIED WE'RE GOING TO STEP ON THEM IN SOME WAY.
10:36:40 IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, SO WHOEVER COULD COME WOULD BE
10:36:44 GREAT AND IF WE CAN SPECIFICALLY INVITE THEM.
10:36:47 NO?
10:36:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
10:36:50 CHIEF BENNETT, ANY LEGAL REASON WE COULDN'T HAVE IT?
10:36:54 IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
10:36:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: LET ME BACK UP ONE MINUTE.
10:36:59 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER OR BOARD MEMBER DINGFELDER MENTIONED
10:37:02 SOMETHING ABOUT CTTV.
10:37:03 THE WORKSHOP DOES NOT NEED TO BE TELEVISED.
10:37:05 WE JUST NEED TO HAVE MINUTES RECORDED.
10:37:08 THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO DISCUSS.
10:37:10 I THINK THE STAFF CONCEPT WAS TO HAVE THIS AT AN OFF-SITE
10:37:15 LOCATION, BE A LITTLE MORE CASUAL, LITTLE MORE ABILITY TO
10:37:19 HAVE DIALOGUE.
10:37:20 IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU CAN -- I MEAN, IT WILL BE OPEN TO
10:37:22 THE PUBLIC.
10:37:24 AGAIN, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING WAS NOT TO ENGAGE
10:37:27 WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT CERTAINLY THEY CAN ATTEND AND LISTEN,
10:37:31 IF THAT'S THE ANSWER TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S QUESTION.
10:37:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. ZELMAN, WE ARE GOING TO HOLD IT IN
10:37:38 COUNCIL CHAMBERS, IF IT'S AVAILABLE, CORRECT?
10:37:41 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.
10:37:43 I THINK THE STAFF WAS SUGGESTING AN OFF-SITE LOCATION.
10:37:47 >>JOHN BENNETT: IT'S THE WISHES OF THE BOARD, BUT WE WERE
10:37:50 GOING TO RECOMMEND A KIND OF WORKSHOP SETTING WHERE WE WOULD
10:37:52 ALL HAVE WHITEBOARDS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO FACILITATE
10:37:57 THAT.
10:37:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE CAN DO THAT.
10:37:59 WE DID IT AT OUR CHARTER REVIEW.
10:38:01 WE HAD WHITEBOARDS ALL SET UP.
10:38:03 LEGAL WAS HERE AND SOMEBODY TAKING MINUTES.
10:38:07 I PREFER IT TO BE IN CHAMBERS.
10:38:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT'S FINE.
10:38:10 THAT'S EASY.
10:38:11 WE HAVE THE SPACE.
10:38:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S EVEN BETTER FOR ME.
10:38:19 I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE AT LEAST ONE HOUR TO GO NEXT DOOR.
10:38:25 AGAIN, IF IT'S HERE AND CLOSE, I CAN BE BRIGHT BACK WITHIN
10:38:29 30, 40 MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
10:38:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:38:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOING TO MS. ZELMAN'S COMMENT, IF IT'S
10:38:39 HERE, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT IT IS TELEVISED IF THAT'S
10:38:45 FEASIBLE.
10:38:47 I KNOW THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON, AND I CAN
10:38:50 LIVE WITH THAT.
10:38:51 BUT IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE, IF IT'S FEASIBLE.
10:38:54 IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY BROADCAST LIVE, PER SE,
10:38:57 BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT -- I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE
10:39:00 COMMUNITY JUST TO SEE THAT WE'RE HAVING SOME VERY, VERY
10:39:03 SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT VERY SERIOUS ISSUES.
10:39:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIDEOTAPE FOR FURTHER TIME.
10:39:12 DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE LIVE.
10:39:14 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
10:39:17 THE MOTION APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN PIECES IN OUR
10:39:20 DISCUSSION.
10:39:20 I WOULD ASK THAT THE MOTION BE STATED IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR
10:39:23 THE RECORD.
10:39:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
10:39:24 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:39:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S A MOVING MOTION.
10:39:26 RIGHT.
10:39:30 JUST THAT THIS BODY HOLD A SPECIAL-CALLED WORKSHOP ON THE
10:39:37 28th AT 9 A.M., OKAY WITH COUNCIL?
10:39:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FINE WITH ME.
10:39:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BEGINNING AT 9 A.M., ANTICIPATED FOR
10:39:44 THREE OR FOUR HOURS, THAT THE ITEMS THAT MICHELLE PRESENTED
10:39:52 BE DISCUSSED AS WELL AS THE 18 CONTRACT LIST, 18-ITEM LIST
10:40:01 IN THE CONTRACT BE INCLUDED, AND IF POSSIBLE, THAT CTTV
10:40:09 WOULD, AT A MINIMUM, RECORD THE MEETING AND THAT THE CLERK
10:40:13 AND OUR LEGAL COUNSEL MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS PROPERLY
10:40:17 NOTICED ACCORDING TO STATUTE, ET CETERA.
10:40:22 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:40:23 THE MOTION I BELIEVE WAS ALREADY ADOPTED OR IS THIS AN
10:40:25 AMENDED MOTION?
10:40:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS WILL BE AN AMENDED MOTION.
10:40:28 IS EVERYBODY IN FAVOR WITH THAT? SAY AYE.
10:40:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHO IS THE SECOND?
10:40:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:40:37 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAD ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED MAYBE TWO
10:40:39 SESSIONS.
10:40:40 SHOULD WE CAP THIS ONE AND MAKE IT 9 TO 12 AND THEN SET UP
10:40:44 ANOTHER ONE, WHETHER WE NEED IT OR NOT, AT LEAST WE CAN PUT
10:40:47 IT ON THE CALENDAR?
10:40:50 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE CAN ADAPT THE AGENDA TO A TWO, THREE-HOUR
10:40:54 SESSION.
10:40:55 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE SET UP A SECOND ONE?
10:40:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SHOULD WE SEE AFTER THE FIRST ONE HOW FAR WE
10:40:59 GET.
10:40:59 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE CAN START LOOKING AT DATES AND WE COULD
10:41:02 PROPOSE THOSE DATES AT THE WORKSHOP.
10:41:06 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE
10:41:09 MOTION TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 3 TO NOVEMBER 14th.
10:41:14 AND INSTEAD, ASK THAT ITEM NUMBER 3 BE INCLUDED IN THE
10:41:18 AGENDA FOR THE 28th.
10:41:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HEAR A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:41:25 ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
10:41:26 ALL OPPOSED.
10:41:27 DOES THAT CLEAR THAT UP, GENTLEMEN?
10:41:30 EXCEPT I WILL PURCHASE LUNCH ON THAT DAY, ON MONDAY THE
10:41:35 28th.
10:41:39 I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET SOME SORT OF WONDERFUL, DELICIOUS
10:41:42 CHICKEN WITH MAYBE YELLOW RICE AND BEANS OR MAYBE SOMETHING
10:41:45 DIFFERENT THIS TIME.
10:41:46 COUNCILMAN GUDES, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT IS DONE?
10:41:51 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:41:51 AND PLEASE TELL THE CHEF I SAID THANK YOU.
10:41:55 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE MORE THING, FOR THE RECORD, I
10:41:57 BELIEVE IT WAS STATED OCTOBER 28th AT ONE POINT OR
10:42:02 ANOTHER, SOMEBODY MAY HAVE SAID NOVEMBER 28.
10:42:04 THIS WORKSHOP IS FOR OCTOBER 28th AT 9 A.M.
10:42:07 THANK YOU.
10:42:09 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: SORRY, I'M STILL A LITTLE QUEASY ABOUT
10:42:12 ALL THAT TALK OF NEEDLES.
10:42:15 DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM OR READY FOR A FACADE
10:42:18 DISCUSSION?
10:42:18 WONDERFUL.
10:42:22 IF WE CAN HAVE THE PowerPoint FOR THE FACADE?
10:42:24 AGAIN, WE'RE RESPONDING TO A COUPLE OF MOTIONS MADE BY OUR
10:42:29 CRA BOARD.
10:42:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE'RE ON AGENDA NUMBER 5.
10:42:35 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: AGENDA NUMBER 5.
10:42:36 WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS THAT ALL INVOLVED THE FACADE
10:42:41 GRANT AND AN INITIAL MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, A SECOND
10:42:45 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:42:48 EACH MOTION ALSO SEEMED TO HAVE TWO PARTS SO WE'VE DIVIDED
10:42:52 OUR REPORT BACK TO ADDRESS EACH OF THE FOUR PARTS OF YOUR
10:42:57 MOTIONS.
10:42:58 SO THE FIRST PART AND THE EASIEST PART TO ADDRESS, AS
10:43:03 MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN COURTNEY WAS UP HERE
10:43:05 WAS THAT EARLIER IN THE SPRING, THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM HAD
10:43:08 BEEN AMENDED TO ALLOW A GRANT ONLY EVERY TWO YEARS BY AN
10:43:15 OWNER.
10:43:15 IT ORIGINALLY HAD BEEN 12 MONTHS.
10:43:17 THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT BEHIND THAT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
10:43:21 WERE SPREADING IT AROUND AND BEING EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND
10:43:26 THAT HAS HAD SOME PUSH-BACK.
10:43:28 WE HAVE BROUGHT ALL OF THESE ITEMS TO OUR RESPECTIVE CACs
10:43:33 WITH THE CRAs THAT HAVE THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM.
10:43:36 EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH GOING BACK TO THE 12 MONTHS AND THE
10:43:39 YBOR CAC DID ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST THE CRA BOARD
10:43:43 REVERT THAT TIME LIMITATION FROM 24 MONTHS BACK TO 12
10:43:48 MONTHS.
10:43:48 THE OTHER CRAs ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
10:43:52 SO FAR, IT REALLY DOES NOT AFFECT THEM AS THEY HAVE NOT HAD
10:43:56 ANYONE APPLY TWO YEARS IN A ROW, BUT THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION
10:43:58 TO THAT.
10:43:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS
10:44:01 TIME, MS. VAN LOAN?
10:44:03 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: IT WOULD BE EASY IF WE COULD TAKE THESE
10:44:05 IN FOUR STEPS.
10:44:06 THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
10:44:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REVERT
10:44:10 BACK TO THE 12-MONTH PROCESS FOR THE FACADE GRANT WITH ALL
10:44:13 THE CRAs.
10:44:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION -- DULY MADE -- LET'S GET
10:44:19 TO COMMENTS.
10:44:20 ONE SECOND.
10:44:20 MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:44:22 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:44:24 ANY DISCUSSION?
10:44:25 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:44:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE MOTION.
10:44:28 WE HAVE A DETAILED FACADE GRANT PROGRAM DOCUMENT BEHIND
10:44:34 THERE.
10:44:34 IS THIS AMENDING A SPECIFIC PROVISION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE
10:44:42 REFERENCE TO?
10:44:44 DO OUR RULES ALREADY SPEAK TO THE 24 MONTHS AND WE'RE
10:44:47 AMENDING THAT?
10:44:48 TELL US WHAT WE'RE AMENDING SO EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME
10:44:50 PAGE.
10:44:52 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: WITHIN THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM GUIDE,
10:44:54 WE WOULD CHANGE THE 24 MONTHS TO 12 MONTHS.
10:44:57 IT WOULD JUST BE THAT NUMBER.
10:44:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS A SPECIFIC PROVISION SOMEWHERE IN
10:45:00 THAT DOCUMENT.
10:45:02 ALL RIGHT.
10:45:02 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
10:45:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
10:45:05 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:45:06 ALL OPPOSED?
10:45:07 THE MOTION CARRIES.
10:45:12 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: ALL RIGHT.
10:45:12 THE SECOND ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS BROUGHT UP OF SHOULD WE
10:45:16 RAISE THE FUNDING LIMIT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY AT 50,000 IN THE
10:45:20 FACADE GRANT FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE HISTORIC
10:45:23 REGISTER OR RUN BY NONPROFITS ON THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
10:45:26 SO WHEN WE WENT BACK TO ALL OF OUR CACs AND TALKED AND
10:45:30 LOOKED AT WHAT STRUCTURES WOULD QUALIFY, THERE'S ONLY A
10:45:34 HANDFUL OF STRUCTURES THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FALL UNDER THIS
10:45:38 CATEGORY.
10:45:39 SOME OF THE CACs DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL
10:45:43 CRA'S ABILITY TO FUND A FACADE GRANT AT 100 OR 150,000.
10:45:51 MEANING THAT IF YOU RAISED THE LIMIT WITHIN THIS PROGRAM TO
10:45:53 100 OR 150 THOUSAND, SOME OF THE CRAs IN ANY GIVEN YEARS
10:45:57 ONLY HAVE 100,000 FOR THE ENTIRE PROGRAM FOR ALL APPLICANTS.
10:46:01 SO AS A RIGHT TO SAY THAT THEY NOW HAVE THAT LIMIT WAS VERY
10:46:06 CONCERNING TO SOME OF THE CACs.
10:46:09 THE YBOR CAC REVIEWED THIS ISSUE AS IT WAS BROUGHT UP
10:46:14 SPECIFICALLY REGARDING SOME OF THE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE
10:46:16 YBOR CRA, AND THEY HAVE REFERRED IT.
10:46:20 THEIR CAC REFERRED IT TO THEIR PLANNING AND INFRASTRUCTURE
10:46:24 AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SUBCOMMITTEE.
10:46:26 THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT THIS ISSUE BE TABLED FOR NOVEMBER
10:46:33 SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE TIME TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE,
10:46:37 RESEARCH WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THE EFFECTS ON THEIR
10:46:40 FACADE GRANT PROGRAM WOULD BE.
10:46:41 AS STAFF RESPONDING BACK FROM OUR CACs, WE'RE REQUESTING
10:46:47 THAT YBOR CAC BE GIVEN THE TIME TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE
10:46:52 REGARDING THIS AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
10:46:55 THE OTHER CACs ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF RAISING THAT LIMIT
10:47:01 AGAIN AS A RIGHT, AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT
10:47:04 HISTORIC STRUCTURES SEPARATELY SINCE THERE WAS ANOTHER PART
10:47:07 OF THE MOTION THAT ADDRESSED WITH HISTORIC ASPECTS OF IT.
10:47:11 SPECIFICALLY WITH THE CONCEPT OF RAISING LIMITS, YBOR IS
10:47:15 LOOKING AT THAT.
10:47:16 AGAIN, THAT DOES RAISE A LOT OF CONCERNS FOR THE OTHER
10:47:19 CACs WHO DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF FUNDING ON AN ANNUAL
10:47:22 BASIS, IF WE MAKE IT AN AUTOMATIC RIGHT WITHIN THE PROGRAM.
10:47:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:47:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE THOUGHTS.
10:47:30 I'VE BEEN CALCULATING REAL QUICKLY.
10:47:32 WHAT IS A NONPROFIT?
10:47:36 AND WHO OWNS A NONPROFIT IF THERE'S NO TITLE TO ONE PERSON
10:47:40 OR ONE ENTITY?
10:47:41 IS IT A GROUP OF PEOPLE?
10:47:43 AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THE NONPROFIT CEASES?
10:47:46 WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY?
10:47:48 WHERE DO THE DIVIDENDS GO TO?
10:47:50 I'M JUST ASKING THAT AS A GENERAL.
10:47:52 I DON'T KNOW.
10:47:52 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: FOR THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM --
10:47:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NO, NOT THE FACADE PROGRAM.
10:47:59 LEGALLY, LET'S SAY WE ARE A NONPROFIT HERE.
10:48:02 ALL OF A SUDDEN WE STOP THE NONPROFIT.
10:48:04 WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUILDING WE OWNED?
10:48:06 WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO TO?
10:48:09 I DON'T KNOW.
10:48:10 OF SEE, IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY, SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE, IT'S ALL
10:48:15 ABOUT MONEY.
10:48:15 WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO TO?
10:48:17 TO THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD OF THE NONPROFIT?
10:48:22 I DON'T KNOW.
10:48:22 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: FOR OUR PURPOSES, YOUR MONEY HAS GONE
10:48:26 INTO THE BUILDING.
10:48:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:48:28 BUT THE BUILDING IS NOW -- THE OWNER IS A NONPROFIT.
10:48:32 NOT YOU, NOT THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, A NONPROFIT.
10:48:36 WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CEASE AS A NONPROFIT AND THE BUILDING --
10:48:42 LET'S SAY CITY HALL IS GOING TO BE SOLD.
10:48:45 WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO TO?
10:48:47 THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR THE DIRECTORS OF THE NONPROFIT?
10:48:49 I'M NOT A LAWYER.
10:48:54 THERE ARE LAWYERS HERE.
10:48:55 THERE ARE LAWYERS EVERYWHERE.
10:48:56 I MUST HAVE STUNNED THEM.
10:48:58 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: I GUESS OUR HESITATION IS THAT IN A BIG
10:49:04 PICTURE, WE STILL ARE UNDER THE FACADE GRANT -- I KNOW
10:49:07 YOU'RE TAKING IT BIGGER THAN THAT.
10:49:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M A LITTLE-PICTURE GUY.
10:49:11 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE BOARD PERSPECTIVE.
10:49:13 I'M ASKING A LEGAL QUESTION.
10:49:15 IF THAT BOARD CEASES AND THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, WHERE DOES
10:49:18 THE MONEY GO TO?
10:49:22 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD SAY -- I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A
10:49:24 LEGAL OPINION OFF THE CUFF.
10:49:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT ASKING FOR A LEGAL OPINION.
10:49:29 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NONPROFITS ARE A CREATION OF FEDERAL TAX
10:49:31 LAW AND STATE REAL ESTATE LAWS THAT WOULD GOVERN THE
10:49:34 DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY.
10:49:34 IF YOU'D LIKE US TO DO A REPORT ON THE QUESTION, I WOULD BE
10:49:39 HAPPY TO.
10:49:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: APPRECIATE HAVING ONE CELL SATISFIED IN
10:49:44 MY BRAIN.
10:49:45 I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT IN A MOTION, A WAY THAT YOU CAN PUT
10:49:48 IT THAT IF THIS BUILDING IS OWNED BY A NONPROFIT, BECAUSE
10:49:51 YOU'VE BEEN TAKING CARE OF IT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET A
10:49:55 FACADE GRANT, WHATEVER, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE
10:49:58 NONPROFIT SO HAPPENS THAT THEY ALL BECOME DECEASED IN ONE
10:50:03 DAY.
10:50:03 HAVE A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK, WHAT HAPPENS, WHO OWNS THE
10:50:09 BUILDING, AND WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO TO?
10:50:12 I WANT TO SOLVE A PROBLEM BEFORE IT HAPPENS.
10:50:14 >> SECOND.
10:50:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION DULY MADE AND SECONDED.
10:50:18 ANY DISCUSSION?
10:50:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A FEW THOUGHTS.
10:50:24 FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE SONS OF ITALY LODGE IS A NONPROFIT.
10:50:28 ONCE THE MEMBERSHIP DROPS BELOW A CERTAIN NUMBER AND NOT
10:50:32 ENOUGH PEOPLE SHOW UP BECAUSE IT'S A BIG PLACE, THE GRAND
10:50:37 LODGE WOULD TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY.
10:50:38 WE COULDN'T SELL IT AS A NONPROFIT AND POCKET THE MONEY AS
10:50:42 BOARD MEMBERS.
10:50:42 IT GOES UP TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY, WHICH IS THE GRAND LODGE.
10:50:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW THAT.
10:50:47 YOU MIGHT.
10:50:48 I DON'T.
10:50:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR QUESTION IS, IF CITY HALL IS THE
10:50:53 BUILDING THAT THE NONPROFIT --
10:50:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE,
10:50:59 MR. MANISCALCO.
10:51:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOES TO THE STATE --
10:51:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW.
10:51:04 THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
10:51:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
10:51:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION DULY MADE AND SECONDED.
10:51:11 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:51:12 OPPOSED?
10:51:13 MOTION CARRIES.
10:51:15 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THE RECORD IS THAT FOR A
10:51:17 STAFF REPORT FOR THE AGENDA OR -- FOR NEXT MONTH?
10:51:24 NOVEMBER.
10:51:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU WANT IT COME BACK TO CRA.
10:51:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NEXT MONTH CRA.
10:51:27 >>THE CLERK: NOVEMBER 14.
10:51:29 THANK YOU.
10:51:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ASKING US TO TABLE THE SECOND
10:51:35 DECISION AND WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND BRING
10:51:37 IT BACK AT OUR NEXT CRA MEETING?
10:51:39 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: YES, TO GIVE THE YBOR FOLKS TIME TO
10:51:42 RESPOND, YES.
10:51:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:51:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SINCE I RAISED THIS, LET ME HELP OUT
10:51:49 A LITTLE BIT.
10:51:50 I'D LIKE TO LIMIT THIS TO THE YBOR CRA, THIS DISCUSSION, AND
10:52:04 DEFINITELY TABLE IT -- HECK, I'LL GIVE THEM AN EXTRA MONTH
10:52:08 -- THEY CAN COME BACK IN DECEMBER.
10:52:09 GIVE YOU ALL PLENTY OF TIME TO ADDRESS IT.
10:52:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR DECEMBER, COUNCILMAN
10:52:14 DINGFELDER?
10:52:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR DECEMBER,
10:52:16 MR. CLERK?
10:52:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WOULD BE DECEMBER 12.
10:52:19 >>THE CLERK: DECEMBER 12, CORRECT.
10:52:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF THE MOTION IS CLEAR, JUST TO REQUEST
10:52:29 THAT THE YBOR CAC GET BACK TO US WITH ITS RECOMMENDATION ON
10:52:33 THIS AND NOT BOTHER THE OTHER CACs ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
10:52:36 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: THANK YOU.
10:52:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO I HAVE A SECOND?
10:52:40 MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:52:42 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:52:44 ANY DISCUSSION?
10:52:44 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:52:45 ALL OPPOSED?
10:52:46 THE MOTION CARRIES.
10:52:48 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: THANK YOU.
10:52:49 AND THE PowerPoint.
10:52:56 SO THE THIRD PART OF YOUR TWO MOTIONS WAS TO DISCUSS
10:53:00 POSSIBLY LIMITING THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM TO AN ELIGIBILITY
10:53:05 CRITERIA OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES ONLY.
10:53:07 AGAIN, WE TOOK THIS BACK TO ALL OF OUR RESPECTIVE CACs.
10:53:12 WEST TAMPA, AS A NEW CRA, IS NOT REQUESTING ANY CHANGES BE
10:53:17 MADE TO THE PROGRAM.
10:53:20 THEY HAVE HAD THREE OR FOUR APPROVALS TO DATE.
10:53:24 SOME OLDER BUILDINGS, SOME HAVE JUST BEEN HISTORIC, BUT THEY
10:53:27 HAVE A MIX OF BOTH OF THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THAT THEY
10:53:30 WOULD LIKE TO SEE GET UPGRADED IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
10:53:34 THEY ARE REQUESTING NO CHANGES BE MADE FOR THEM FOR THE NEXT
10:53:37 YEAR.
10:53:39 THEY'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THE PROGRAM CONTINUES TO WORK AND
10:53:43 THEY HAVE A PRIORITY FOR ALL TYPES OF BUILDINGS IN THE WEST
10:53:45 TAMPA CRA, NOT JUST HISTORIC ONES.
10:53:47 WITH DREW PARK, YOU WOULD BASICALLY ELIMINATE THE FACADE
10:53:52 GRANT PROGRAM FOR THE DREW PARK CRA IF IT HAS A HISTORIC
10:53:56 LIMITATION.
10:53:57 IF THE CRA BOARD SO CHOOSES TO NOT HAVE THE FACADE GRANT
10:54:02 PROGRAM IN DREW PARK, THAT IS YOUR WILL.
10:54:04 OTHERWISE, THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR IT TO REMAIN AS IS.
10:54:07 ALMOST THE SAME RESPONSE FOR EAST TAMPA ON THIS.
10:54:10 THERE ARE A FEW HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY
10:54:14 OF STRUCTURES IN EAST TAMPA THAT HAVE COME UNDER THE FACADE
10:54:18 GRANT AND BEEN IMPROVED THROUGH THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM
10:54:21 HAVE NOT BEEN WHAT YOU WOULD CALL HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
10:54:23 THEY ARE OLDER.
10:54:24 THEY ARE AGING, THEY HAVE NEEDED UPGRADING.
10:54:27 THEY AFFECT THE AESTHETICS OF THE CORRIDOR AND THE STREETS
10:54:31 THEY ARE ON, BUT THEY ARE NOT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
10:54:34 I'M SORT OF DOING THIS IN PARTS GOING THROUGH THE VARIOUS
10:54:38 CACs.
10:54:39 TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, ON YOUR LEFT, THAT IS A DREW PARK
10:54:44 BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY NOT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT YOU CAN
10:54:47 SEE THE CHANGES MADE IN DREW PARK BECAUSE OF THE FACADE
10:54:50 GRANT PROGRAM.
10:54:51 ALSO IN DREW PARK IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT.
10:54:54 WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO TAKING DOWN THE RAZOR WIRE AT
10:55:00 THEIR FENCING, CLOSE IN AND COVER UP THAT REALLY OLD STUCCO,
10:55:04 ADDRESS WATER INTRUSION ON THEIR BUILDING.
10:55:06 THESE ARE THE KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS THEY ARE RECEIVING IN
10:55:08 DREW PARK BECAUSE OF THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM.
10:55:12 THIS IS IN EAST TAMPA.
10:55:14 THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT, THE GRAY ONE, THAT'S WHAT FACES
10:55:17 THE NFL YET CENTER ON LAKE AVENUE.
10:55:20 AGAIN, NOT A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
10:55:22 ALL THE CARS YOU SAW THERE ORIGINALLY, THAT IS WHAT WAS
10:55:24 HAPPENING EVERY DAY.
10:55:26 THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE BUSINESS OR EMPLOYEES THAT WORK
10:55:29 THERE.
10:55:29 THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO JUST WERE PARKING, HANGING OUT
10:55:32 UNDERNEATH THAT CANOPY.
10:55:34 IT WAS AN OLD DETERIORATED CANOPY FROM WAY BACK WHEN FROM
10:55:38 WHEN THE BUILDING WAS FIRST BUILT.
10:55:40 WITH THE FACADE PROGRAM, THIS BACK OF THE PROPERTY HAD NO
10:55:43 IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS ITSELF.
10:55:45 IT HAD AN INCREDIBLE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.
10:55:48 WITH THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM, THE OWNER CLEANED UP THAT
10:55:50 WHOLE BACK OFF THAT CANOPY SO THAT IT DID NOT INCENT PEOPLE
10:55:55 TO COME AND LOITER THERE.
10:55:57 YOU CAN SEE THE CARS ARE NO LONGER PARKED THERE.
10:55:59 WHEN YOU'RE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE NFL YET CENTER, THIS IS
10:56:03 NOW WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT AS NICE LANDSCAPING AND DRIVE UP
10:56:06 AND NOT ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT THEY HAD BEEN A FEW
10:56:09 YEARS AGO.
10:56:10 ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE WAS ANOTHER STRUCTURE ON NORTH 29th
10:56:13 STREET NOT FAR FROM LAKE.
10:56:15 AGAIN, OLDER, AGING BUILDING.
10:56:17 NOT HISTORIC, BUT NOW ABLE TO HAVE A MUCH NICER UPGRADE TO
10:56:26 ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND BE BETTER FOR ITS TENANTS.
10:56:28 SO THESE ARE THE KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE SEEING ON
10:56:28 NON-HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
10:56:28 IN YBOR, IT WOULD HAVE VERY LITTLE EFFECT.
10:56:34 IF YOU USE THE CRITERIA OF ARE THE BUILDINGS ON THE
10:56:36 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LIST, THE VAST MAJORITY IN YBOR WOULD
10:56:39 BE ON THAT LIST AND WOULD QUALIFY.
10:56:42 SO YBOR, AGAIN, DOESN'T HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT ONE WAY OR
10:56:48 ANOTHER IF YOU DID ADD A HISTORIC LIMIT TO THE FACADE GRANT
10:56:51 PROGRAM.
10:56:51 IN DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN IS A NEW CRA ADDED TO THIS.
10:56:56 THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY IS DOWNTOWN EVEN
10:57:00 INVOLVED IN THE FACADE GRANT PROGRAM.
10:57:02 SO A REMINDER, FOR DOWNTOWN, HIGH-RISES ARE NOT ABLE TO
10:57:07 APPLY FOR THE FACADE GRANT AND IT IS LIMITED TO THE
10:57:10 BUILDINGS NORTH OF KENNEDY.
10:57:12 IN CASE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OR DRIVEN THOSE STREETS
10:57:16 RECENTLY, WE HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF
10:57:18 THE DOWNTOWN CRA THAT ARE SOME OF THESE OLDER, AGING
10:57:22 STRUCTURES THAT COULD USE AN UPGRADE.
10:57:25 AND THE CAC FOR DOWNTOWN FELT THEY WANTED TO MAKE THOSE
10:57:29 INCENTIVES AVAILABLE SO THAT EVERYTHING DOESN'T JUST GET
10:57:32 RAZED AND REPLACED WITH HIGH-RISES.
10:57:35 FOR SOME OF THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING OWNERS SHOULD HAVE
10:57:37 THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP UPGRADE AND MODERNIZE THE BUILDING
10:57:40 AND MAINTAIN THEIR SMALLER STRUCTURES WITHIN DOWNTOWN.
10:57:43 SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE THINKING BEHIND THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
10:57:48 LASTLY, WE ARE ASKING THAT THE HISTORIC LIMITATION NOT BE
10:57:57 ADDED TO THE FACADE PROGRAM.
10:58:00 IF IT IS, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE
10:58:02 UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE TO THE PROGRAM AS A
10:58:05 WHOLE.
10:58:06 ADDITIONALLY, WE DO HAVE HISTORIC PROGRAMS THAT BUSINESS
10:58:12 OWNERS AND NONPROFITS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
10:58:15 I WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
10:58:17 THERE'S A HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN YBOR.
10:58:20 THEY WERE AWARDED A $50,000 FACADE GRANT.
10:58:23 THEY HAVE RECEIVED 135,000 FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA AS AN
10:58:27 INTERSTATE HISTORIC TRUST.
10:58:29 THEY HAVE RECEIVED ANOTHER 1.1 MILLION IN COUNTY GRANTS FOR
10:58:33 HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED ANOTHER 1.5
10:58:35 MILLION FOR THE STATE FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
10:58:38 SO AS A CRA BOARD, YOU CAN CREATE THE FACADE GRANT INTO
10:58:44 HISTORIC STRUCTURE PROGRAM.
10:58:45 YOU CAN CREATE A SEPARATE HISTORIC STRUCTURE PROGRAM OR
10:58:49 LEAVE AS IS.
10:58:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:58:52 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK YOU ALL KNOW MY OPINION ON FACADE
10:58:56 GRANTS.
10:58:56 ALTHOUGH ALL THIS LOOKS GREAT, IF YOU TAKE THE 1.1 MILLION,
10:59:00 I FORGOT THE NUMBER WE SPENT ON FACADE GRANTS, IF WE TAKE
10:59:03 INTO CONTEXT OF WHAT ELSE WE COULD SPEND THE MONEY ON, I
10:59:06 THINK IF WE LOOKED AT IT, AMONG THE OTHER PROGRAMS WE
10:59:10 WOULDN'T PRIORITIZE THIS.
10:59:11 AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE 28th.
10:59:14 BUT KNOWING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY A 6-1 VOTE, I
10:59:16 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RESTRICT THE FACADE
10:59:20 GRANTS TO BE FOR HISTORIC BUILDINGS ONLY.
10:59:23 DO I HAVE A SECOND?
10:59:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:59:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SPEAK TO THAT, IF I MAY.
10:59:30 I APPRECIATE IT.
10:59:31 ANYBODY DECISION DIFFERENT THAN MINE, I APPRECIATE THEM
10:59:35 BECAUSE THEY MAY BE RIGHT.
10:59:37 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
10:59:41 I CAN'T ALWAYS BE RIGHT.
10:59:42 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU GO INTO AN AREA THAT IS BLIGHTED -- AND
10:59:47 YOU INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T
10:59:50 HAVE ALL THE CAPITAL, THE DINERO, THE MONEY, WHAT HAPPENS?
10:59:57 IT CONTINUES TO DECAY, THE WHOLE AREA.
10:59:59 WHEN YOU START DOING SOMETHING AND PUTTING 20, 25
11:00:03 THOUSAND -- [AUDIO DROP]
11:00:06 [ CAPTION ENCODER DROP ]
11:00:38 [ NO CAPTION ENCODER ]
11:07:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: -- WHO CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES SOMETIMES.
11:07:18 REALLY STRUGGLING AT THE BOTTOM.
11:07:19 WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.
11:07:21 WE CAN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING TODAY, BUT I WANT US TO GET OUR
11:07:24 MIND-SET OF LOOKING AT THOSE WHO REALLY AT THE BOTTOM NEED
11:07:30 THAT CAPITAL AND THEY NEED A HELPING HAND.
11:07:32 I SUPPORT THE FACADE PROGRAM.
11:07:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:07:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, THANK YOU.
11:07:37 BUT I REMEMBER THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY.
11:07:39 IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
11:07:40 I THINK MAYOR GIULIANI STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT.
11:07:43 LOOK WHAT IT GOT HIM.
11:07:44 [ LAUGHTER ]
11:07:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:07:53 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD ASK STAFF, WHEN WE'RE DOING THE
11:07:56 STRATEGIC PLANNING, COULD YOU MAKE AT LEAST A HALF HOUR OF
11:07:59 IT JUST A PRIORITIZATION OF THE BUCKETS OF THINGS THAT WE
11:08:04 SPEND MONEY ON IN CRAs.
11:08:07 LOOKING AT 163, LOOKING AT ALL THE OTHER GUIDELINES, BUT
11:08:10 LET'S LOOK AT THE BUCKETS OF THINGS THAT WE SPEND MONEY ON
11:08:13 IN THE CRAs.
11:08:14 AND LET'S -- I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE, WE TALK ABOUT FACADE
11:08:18 GRANTS OUT OF CONTEXT.
11:08:19 SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AND SEE, WHATEVER MONEY
11:08:23 YOU HAD, IF YOU HAD A BUCKET OF MONEY, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR
11:08:26 TOP THREE PRIORITIES THAT WE SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY ON?
11:08:29 EXAMPLE IS DREW PARK OR EAST TAMPA, IF WE COULD SPEND A
11:08:33 HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON FACADE GRANTS OR IF WE COULD
11:08:35 SPEND THE MONEY ON BUILDING BETTER SIDEWALKS OR BEAUTIFYING
11:08:40 A STREET OR UPDATING PARKS.
11:08:43 THE LINEAR PARK IN DREW PARK SOUNDS LIKE TO GREAT IDEA, BUT
11:08:48 ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT ONLY GOVERNMENT CAN DO THAT WE
11:08:50 CAN BEAUTIFY OR HELP, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF
11:08:53 MONEY.
11:08:58 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
11:08:59 I WOULD JUST ASK IF WE DID DESIGNATE THAT TIME DURING THE
11:09:03 AGENDA AND WE DID LOOK AT WHERE THE MARKET SHARE OF THOSE
11:09:06 FUNDS WERE GOING, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA, COULD WE
11:09:09 ALSO MAP IT TO THE STRATEGIC PLANS THAT ARE CURRENT TO MAKE
11:09:12 SURE THAT WE CONNECT THE DOLLARS TO THE STRATEGIC PLANS THAT
11:09:16 ARE CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE?
11:09:18 BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT -- I ALWAYS LOOK FOR
11:09:22 THEMES AND KEYWORDS IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.
11:09:25 I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN THE
11:09:28 COMMUNITY AND, OF COURSE, THE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO
11:09:30 FACILITATE THOSE.
11:09:32 I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO SPEND 30 MINUTES TO 45 MINUTES
11:09:36 ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AS A PRIORITY, BUT I THINK IT
11:09:38 ALSO NEEDS TO TIE BACK TO THE -- THE REASON IS FOR
11:09:42 GOING-FORWARD PURPOSES.
11:09:44 BECAUSE IF THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS ARE NOT OUR GUIDING
11:09:47 POST, OUR GUIDE LIGHT FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE DECISION SUPPORT
11:09:51 THROUGH THE CAC, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST ADOPTION SHOULD
11:09:57 BEGIN.
11:09:58 THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST, TIE THE FUNDING AND PRIORITY TO
11:10:00 THE STRATEGIC PLAN BACK TO THE WORKSHOP TO SHOW WHERE THE
11:10:04 JOURNEY HAS TAKEN US.
11:10:06 >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
11:10:08 THE IDEA IS THAT WE JUST PRIORITIZE THE BUCKETS AND FIGURE
11:10:10 OUT WHAT WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY ON.
11:10:12 AND THAT IN THE PLAN SHOULD BE INFORMATION BACK TO THE
11:10:15 CACs, BECAUSE THERE'S AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF THINGS WE
11:10:18 COULD SPEND MONEY ON, SO WHAT SHOULD WE FOCUS ON?
11:10:22 JUST TO USE A CHARLIE-STYLE ANALOGY, ONE OF THE THINGS I SAY
11:10:25 WHEN TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT MONEY, I'VE BEEN IN TIBET AND
11:10:29 TIBETAN REGION OF NEPAL.
11:10:32 WHEN THE TIBETAN MONKS COME TO THE STRAZ CENTER AND PLAY,
11:10:35 I'LL LISTEN TO THEM PLAY THEIR HORNS AND CHANT, BUT JUST
11:10:38 BECAUSE I LIKE TIBETAN MONK MUSIC DOESN'T MEAN I THINK WE
11:10:44 SHOULD SPEND GOVERNMENT MONEY TO BUILD A MONASTERY FOR THE
11:10:51 TIBETAN MONKS IN TAMPA.
11:10:53 WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON?
11:10:55 WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WOULD GIVE US THE MOST IMPACT FOR A
11:10:58 LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY.
11:10:59 >>JOHN BENNETT: MAKES SENSE, THANK YOU.
11:11:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE COUNCILMAN VIERA SPEAKS, AGAIN, WE'RE
11:11:05 IMPLYING ON WHAT WE WANT THE CRAs TO DO.
11:11:09 THAT'S YOUR IMPLICATION.
11:11:12 YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT WE'RE TELLING YOU TO DO AND I STILL FEEL
11:11:14 THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO DIRECT THEIR WANTS AND NEEDS TO US.
11:11:17 ALTHOUGH WE HAVE FINAL SAY.
11:11:19 BUT, AGAIN, IT PERCOLATES FROM THE COMMUNITIES, THROUGH THE
11:11:24 COMMUNITIES, TO THE CRAs AND THEN BACK TO US.
11:11:27 THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
11:11:29 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:11:30 >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL JOIN IN VOTING NO, BUT I DO WANT TO
11:11:34 SALUTE COUNCILMAN CARLSON BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF CHUTZPAH
11:11:38 THAT YOU MAY BE THE ONLY ONE.
11:11:40 I MEAN THAT.
11:11:41 I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.
11:11:43 IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
11:11:44 YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE CAN BE COMMON GROUND IN THE FUTURE.
11:11:47 I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON THIS, WHICH IS
11:11:50 LOOKING AT FOR SOME OF THE FACADE GRANTS, LOOKING AT PARTIAL
11:11:54 MEANS TESTING FOR SOME OF THEM SO THAT FOLKS LIKE COUNCILMAN
11:11:56 GUDES MENTIONED, WHO CAN'T AFFORD THE 50%, FOR EXAMPLE,
11:12:00 TAKING A FEW, SETTING A FEW OF THOSE ASIDE FOR THOSE
11:12:03 ENTREPRENEURS WHO MAYBE DON'T HAVE THOSE FUNDS WITH THEM.
11:12:06 THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
11:12:10 THIS IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, A ONE SHOE FITS ALL MENTALITY
11:12:13 THAT I CAN'T BUY INTO.
11:12:14 I DO SALUTE YOUR CHUTZPAH.
11:12:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:12:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU'RE NEVER ALONE WHEN YOU VOTE BY
11:12:22 YOURSELF.
11:12:22 THERE WAS NO ONE THERE, SO YOU MADE A 100% IMPROVEMENT.
11:12:27 I VOTED MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COUNCIL.
11:12:29 YOU CAN CHECK THE RECORD, AND I NEVER FELT ALONE.
11:12:32 IF YOU'RE NOT THERE, THERE WAS NO ONE THERE, SO YOU MADE A
11:12:42 HUNDRED PERCENT IMPROVEMENT WHEN YOU GOT THERE.
11:12:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
11:12:45 MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:12:47 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:12:49 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
11:12:50 ALL OPPOSED?
11:12:54 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION FAILED WITH GUDES, MANISCALCO,
11:12:57 VIERA, CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING NO.
11:13:01 MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED THE MOTION.
11:13:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CORRECT, BUT I VOTED NO.
11:13:11 >>THE CLERK: CORRECTION.
11:13:14 THE MOTION FAILED WITH DINGFELDER, GUDES, VIERA, CITRO, AND
11:13:19 MIRANDA VOTING NO.
11:13:20 THANK YOU.
11:13:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL RIGHT.
11:13:25 MS. VAN LOAN.
11:13:26 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PowerPoint,
11:13:29 VERY LAST POINT, AND I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR
11:13:32 DOING THE INTRODUCTION TO OUR LAST POINT.
11:13:34 SO THE LAST PART OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION WAS, COULD
11:13:40 WE LOOK AT A NEEDS-BASED COMPONENT TO THE FACADE GRANT?
11:13:45 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS FIRST
11:13:47 ORIGINATED, IT WAS A VERY THOROUGH, DIFFICULT DISCUSSION
11:13:51 ABOUT THE PAPERWORK THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO PROVE
11:13:54 THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR PART OF THE PROJECT.
11:13:58 SO THE EAST TAMPA CAC DID TAKE THIS ON.
11:14:01 SO THEY ARE ASKING THAT THE EXISTING PROGRAM REMAIN THE
11:14:05 SAME, BUT TO ADD A NEEDS-BASED COMPONENT TO IT SO THAT YOU
11:14:10 STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE EXISTING PROGRAM, BUT SHOULD
11:14:13 YOU NOT, AS POINTED OUT BY TWO OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST
11:14:16 NOW, HAVE THAT MATCHING FUND AND STILL BE IN A BUSINESS AND
11:14:21 IN A BUILDING THAT REALLY NEEDS THAT FACE-LIFT AND GREATLY
11:14:25 AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR ABILITY TO CONDUCT
11:14:28 BUSINESS WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IF THE FRONT OF
11:14:30 YOUR BUSINESS DOES NOT LOOK VERY INVITING, HOW DO YOU
11:14:34 UPGRADE THAT?
11:14:35 EAST TAMPA IS PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL SORT OF SIDE PROGRAM
11:14:42 ATTACHED ON THE FACADE GRANT WHERE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WOULD
11:14:44 BE 25,000 AND IT WOULD BE ZERO MATCH.
11:14:47 SO THAT WOULD BE THAT SECOND NEEDS-BASED CRITERIA.
11:14:51 IN ADDITION TO THAT, SINCE WE'RE SAYING THAT THE OWNER WOULD
11:14:55 NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A MATCH, THE FUNDS WOULD BE PAID THEN
11:14:59 DIRECTLY TO THEIR CONTRACTOR, SINCE THE PROJECT OWNER WOULD
11:15:03 NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT UP FRONT AND BE
11:15:08 REIMBURSED.
11:15:09 THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED ON THE PART
11:15:12 OF THE PROPERTY OWNER SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY IT WOULD THEN BE
11:15:15 GIVEN ON A TRULY NEEDS-BASED CRITERIA.
11:15:18 SO THAT IS THE REQUEST OF EAST TAMPA IF YOU DID WANT TO
11:15:23 INSTITUTE A NEEDS-BASED COMPONENT TO THIS FACADE GRANT
11:15:26 PROGRAM, THIS IS WHAT EAST TAMPA IS RECOMMENDING.
11:15:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:15:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANTED TO GET IN LINE, BEHIND
11:15:35 GUDES, IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THIS.
11:15:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]
11:15:42 -- WAITING TO GIVE ME INFORMATION ABOUT THE PAINTING AND
11:15:44 SIGNS GRANT.
11:15:46 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: WE WERE JUST GIVING YOU A HEADS UP THAT
11:15:48 THE EAST TAMPA, SEPARATELY, THEY ARE GOING AFTER A LOT OF
11:15:52 THE NONCONFORMING PAINTING ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
11:15:55 SIGNS ARE EXPENSIVE.
11:15:56 THEY DON'T ALWAYS HAVE MONEY FOR SIGNS.
11:15:58 AND SO THEY DO PAINTING OF THEIR ADVERTISING DIRECTLY ON THE
11:16:03 BUILDING.
11:16:04 EAST TAMPA CAC IS WORKING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TO START
11:16:07 ENFORCING SOME OF OUR CODES ON THE ISSUE, BUT THEY ALSO WANT
11:16:11 TO HELP SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES THAT DO NEED TO ADVERTISE
11:16:15 WHAT IT IS BEING SOLD OR SERVICED WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE.
11:16:18 SO EAST TAMPA IS IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING TOGETHER A
11:16:21 PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THE DREW PARK FENCE PROGRAM THAT WOULD
11:16:23 HELP SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES TO REPAINT THE PAINTED SIGNAGE
11:16:27 THEY HAVE NOW AND ALSO HELP SUPPORT THEM IN GETTING MONEY TO
11:16:31 PUT UP A NEW SIGN.
11:16:32 EACH OF THOSE ARE PROPOSED AT 2500 EACH.
11:16:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY IT'S TO BEAUTIFY THE COMMUNITY
11:16:37 AND BRING THEM IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE.
11:16:40 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: UM-HUM.
11:16:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL.
11:16:43 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: THEY'LL BE COMING BACK AT A FUTURE DATE
11:16:45 WITH THAT.
11:16:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:16:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
11:16:48 I THINK IT'S A NEAT IDEA.
11:16:49 I HAD MENTIONED TO COUNCIL MY CONCERN ON THE FLIP SIDE OF
11:16:55 THE NEED ISSUE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ADDRESSED THIS,
11:16:59 MICHELLE.
11:17:00 THE FLIP SIDE BEING IF FOLKS ARE VERY WEALTHY AND HAPPEN TO
11:17:08 OWN A BUILDING THAT'S KIND OF LOOKING A LITTLE DISHEVELED
11:17:12 AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW -- IT BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT
11:17:16 THREE, FOUR MONTHS AGO WHEN I SAW SOME VERY WEALTHY FOLKS
11:17:21 WITH VERY VALUABLE PROPERTIES GETTING THE CRA, THE
11:17:26 $50,000 OF CRA MONEY.
11:17:27 I VOTED FOR IT BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY IN THE PROCESS, AND I
11:17:30 DIDN'T WANT TO BE A JERK TO YANK THE RUG OUT FROM
11:17:36 UNDERNEATH.
11:17:37 BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, I GOT A LITTLE PROBLEM -- I HAVE A
11:17:40 LITTLE PROBLEM WITH THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR
11:17:43 CHANNELSIDE AREA, MAYBE YBOR.
11:17:46 I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS IN YBOR.
11:17:49 ONE OR TWO OF THEM WAS IN YBOR.
11:17:51 HAS THAT DISCUSSION COME UP AND SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK
11:17:53 AT?
11:17:54 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: IT'S COME UP REPEATEDLY BECAUSE ANY
11:17:57 INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD.
11:17:59 WHEN THIS PROGRAM WAS FIRST INSTITUTED, WE HAD A FIVE-PAGE
11:18:04 APPLICATION.
11:18:04 EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T NEEDS BASED, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE
11:18:07 FINANCIALS OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
11:18:09 WE RECEIVED VERY FEW APPLICATIONS THAT FIRST YEAR, BECAUSE
11:18:12 PROPERTY OWNERS DID NOT WANT TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH
11:18:14 US REGARDLESS OF THE VALUE OF THEIR BUSINESS AND THEIR
11:18:20 FINANCIAL RESOURCES.
11:18:22 UNTIL WE REDUCE DOWN THAT APPLICATION TO STRICTLY CAN YOU
11:18:28 ACCESS MATCHING FUNDS, AND THAT'S THE ONLY FINANCIAL
11:18:33 INFORMATION THEY HAVE TO GIVE US IS WHEN THE PROGRAM REALLY
11:18:35 TOOK OFF.
11:18:36 THE PAPERWORK TO PROVE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO
11:18:41 DO A PROGRAM, EVEN WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN EAST TAMPA,
11:18:45 THERE IS A CONCERN OF WHO WILL BE WILLING TO PRODUCE THOSE
11:18:49 DOCUMENTS TO SHOW THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES FOR
11:18:53 THE MATCHING.
11:18:54 WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL GET TAKERS ON THAT AND WE'LL BE
11:18:59 ABLE TO BENEFIT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES TRULY IN NEED.
11:19:01 BUT USUALLY THERE IS A RELUCTANCE TO BRING THAT TYPE OF
11:19:06 PAPERWORK FORWARD.
11:19:07 THE VAST MAJORITY -- I THINK AT ABOUT 105 APPROVED FACADE
11:19:13 GRANTS RIGHT NOW, ARE NOT WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK ON THE FACE OF
11:19:15 IT TO BE WHAT YOU CONSIDER FAIRLY WELL-FUNDED BUSINESSES,
11:19:19 BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CREATE A UNIVERSAL PROGRAM ACROSS
11:19:25 OUR CRAs THAT CLOSES THAT GAP SO THAT YOU DON'T GET THOSE
11:19:29 INSTANCES WITHOUT HURTING THOSE WHO TRULY NEED IT.
11:19:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH
11:19:35 THE BATHWATER.
11:19:36 I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM AND I DON'T WANT TO KILL IT ON
11:19:39 THIS ISSUE.
11:19:40 BUT THIS ISSUE DOES CONTINUE TO DISTURB ME.
11:19:42 MAYBE AS THE YEAR GOES ON, WE CAN KEEP THINKING ABOUT A WAY
11:19:48 TO LOOK AT THIS, MAYBE EVEN ASK OTHER JURISDICTIONS HOW THEY
11:19:51 MIGHT HANDLE IT IF THEY ARE DOING FACADES.
11:19:53 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: WE DID DO THAT WHEN THIS CAME BACK UP
11:19:56 DUE TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION.
11:20:00 WE DID RESEARCH BOTH IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND NATIONWIDE
11:20:03 TRYING TO FIND EXAMPLES OF NEEDS-BASED PROGRAMS, AND I EVEN
11:20:08 CALLED SOME OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE IN MORE
11:20:12 AT-RISK COMMUNITIES AND DEEPLY AT RISK COMMUNITIES, AND MOST
11:20:16 OF THEM, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE NOT DOING THEM.
11:20:19 I COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY.
11:20:20 I'M SURE THERE MAY BE ONE OUT THERE BUT AFTER SEVERAL HOURS
11:20:24 OF RESEARCH I COULD NOT FIND A FACADE PROGRAM THAT WAS NEEDS
11:20:27 BASED.
11:20:27 AGAIN, THE PAPERWORK TO PROVE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE
11:20:30 RESOURCES IS A REAL IMPEDIMENT TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT
11:20:36 AND TO DO SOMETHING TO IMPLEMENT IT.
11:20:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SLIGHTLY OFF SUBJECT, BUT
11:20:41 I WANTED TO COMPLIMENT STAFF ON THE PRESENTATIONS TODAY, AND
11:20:45 SPECIFICALLY, MICHELLE, I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION ON THESE
11:20:49 FOUR ISSUES WAS GREAT.
11:20:51 THANK YOU.
11:20:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
11:20:54 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND THE REST OF THE BOARD, THERE ARE
11:20:58 STILL THREE SEATS REMAINING AT THE F.A.R. CONFERENCE THAT
11:21:03 WILL BE HERE.
11:21:05 TAMPA IS THE HOST CITY.
11:21:07 THE 15th, 16th, 17th.
11:21:11 -- 16, 17, 18, EXCUSE ME.
11:21:13 THERE ARE THREE TICKETS STILL AVAILABLE.
11:21:15 IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE HOW OTHER CITIES DO THEIR CRAs
11:21:20 AND WHAT THEY DO WITH THEIR MONIES AND HOW THEY OPERATE, I
11:21:24 STRONGLY URGE YOU TO GO TO THAT.
11:21:26 I PERSONALLY AM GOING TO THAT.
11:21:28 JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
11:21:29 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:21:33 >>BILL CARLSON: DID THE OTHER CACs GIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS?
11:21:40 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: THEY GAVE FEEDBACK IN THE SENSE THAT
11:21:41 WAS NOT SOMETHING THEY WANTED TO PURSUE BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE
11:21:46 DIFFICULTY OF TRYING TO DO IT.
11:21:48 >>BILL CARLSON: MY ISSUE IS THE SAME ONE AS
11:21:50 MR. DINGFELDER'S.
11:21:51 LET'S SAY IN DREW PARK, THERE ARE LOTS OF BIG COMPANIES
11:21:54 MAKING INVESTMENTS THERE.
11:21:56 LET'S SAY WE HAVE A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY COMING IN,
11:22:00 BUILDING A BIG FACILITY, WE'RE GOING TO BE $50,000 JUST TO
11:22:04 SUBSIDIZE THEIR BUILDING WHEN WE COULD BE USING THAT
11:22:07 $50,000 FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOME.
11:22:10 I JUST DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD SPEND ANY MONEY.
11:22:15 I DON'T LIKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SUBSIDIES PERIOD, BUT IF
11:22:19 WE MAKE A DECISION TO SUBSIDIZE A BIG COMPANY, WE SHOULD
11:22:22 MAKE THAT DECISION OUTSIDE A FACADE GRANT, WE SHOULD DO IT
11:22:26 AS PART OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO ATTRACT OR
11:22:29 RETAIN A COMPANY, NOT TO JUST PROVIDE THIS MONEY THAT COULD
11:22:33 BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SOME OTHER PRIORITY OF THE
11:22:37 COMMUNITY.
11:22:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:22:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE SIDE.
11:22:42 NOW THE OTHER SIDE.
11:22:43 I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD BE LEFT OUT.
11:22:48 BECAUSE IF THAT BUILDING, LET'S SAY IT'S A $3 MILLION
11:22:51 BUILDING WASN'T THERE, THE TAX BASE WOULD GO TO HELL.
11:22:55 YOU HAVE TO HELP EVERYBODY TO HAVE SOMETHING AVAILABLE FOR
11:22:59 EVERYBODY.
11:23:00 YOU CAN'T JUST SAY I WANT THOSE UNDER 50,000 OR 20,000,
11:23:03 YOU'LL GET TO THAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING DONE
11:23:07 BECAUSE THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT.
11:23:09 YOU HAVE TO HAVE AREAS TO PRODUCE MONEY, TO HAVE MONEY, TO
11:23:12 DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
11:23:13 IT DOESN'T WORK IN ANY OTHER WAY.
11:23:17 YOU CAN'T BE A CENTRIST.
11:23:18 YOU HAVE TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL.
11:23:20 YOU CANNOT SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE MONEY OR YOU THINK YOU HAVE
11:23:23 MONEY, YOU MIGHT HAVE $3 MILLION LOAN.
11:23:28 DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE A $3 MILLION BUILDING, BUT YOU GOT
11:23:30 $3 MILLION IN THE BANK.
11:23:31 THAT MEANS YOU OWE $3 MILLION TO THE BANK JUST LIKE SOMEBODY
11:23:35 OWES 150,000, 200,000 FOR A HOUSE.
11:23:37 IT IS THE SAME THING.
11:23:38 WHETHER YOU'RE RICH OR NOT RICH, WHETHER YOU HAVE MONEY OR
11:23:43 DON'T HAVE MONEY, IF YOU LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT AND YOU'RE
11:23:46 PARTICIPATING, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO EVERY BENEFIT THAT THAT
11:23:49 DISTRICT HAS.
11:23:49 SET BY THE CAC, BOARD OF DIRECTORS OR CRAs OF THAT AREA.
11:23:55 THAT'S MY FEELING.
11:23:56 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:24:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BOTH POINTS OF TAKEN WELL.
11:24:06 TIF DOLLARS OF THE DISTRICT SO EVERYONE IS ENTITLED.
11:24:09 THEN YOU LOOK AND SAY SOMEONE REALLY DOES HAVE THE MONEY,
11:24:11 WHY CAN'T THEY FIX THEIR PLACE UP?
11:24:14 AGAIN, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED.
11:24:16 IT'S WHAT I CALL FILLING THE GAP.
11:24:21 PIPES PROGRAM, UPPED IT TO 50% BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE
11:24:25 SURE EVERYONE FIT IN A GROOVE AND NO ONE FELL IN THE GAP.
11:24:30 I THINK WITH THIS, YOU JUST INTRODUCED WHAT I TALKED ABOUT
11:24:33 EARLIER IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF FILLING THE GAP BECAUSE I
11:24:37 KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WISH THEY HAD
11:24:40 THE MONEY TO DO THE EXTRA, BUT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO DO,
11:24:45 AND THEY ARE KEEPING THE BUSINESS OPEN WEEK TO WEEK, MONTH
11:24:48 TO MONTH, JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT GOING AND DON'T HAVE THE
11:24:54 CAPITAL TO DO THE WORK ON A MAJOR PROJECT ON A BUILDING.
11:24:57 I'M GLAD YOU INTRODUCED THIS TO US.
11:24:59 THANK YOU, MICHELLE, FOR YOUR WORK.
11:25:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN.
11:25:05 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT AS STAFF,
11:25:08 BRENDA AND I, WHO PRIMARILY OVERSEE ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS,
11:25:13 WE ARE ALWAYS WORKING WITH OUR BUSINESSES.
11:25:15 THERE ISN'T ANY OF THESE 105 THAT BRENDA AND I HAVEN'T
11:25:20 TOUCHED.
11:25:20 FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BOTH OF US HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING
11:25:26 THE PROGRAMS.
11:25:26 WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING WITH OUR BUSINESSES ON HOW TO TWEAK IT.
11:25:30 OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE COME BACK TO CRA BOARD TO TWEAK
11:25:32 LANGUAGE HERE.
11:25:32 WE HAVE WORKED WITH OUR ATTORNEYS OVER THE YEARS, WHETHER
11:25:34 SAL OR JORGE AND NOW ANDREA, HOW DO WE TWEAK THIS PROGRAM TO
11:25:39 MAKE IT BETTER TO TIGHTEN IT UP AND TO MAKE IT USABLE AND
11:25:44 GET THE RESULTS WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
11:25:45 AND WE REMAIN OPEN TO IDEAS.
11:25:48 BRENDA AND I ARE INVOLVED ACROSS THE STATE.
11:25:50 WE ARE IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH OTHER CRAs ACROSS THE STATE
11:25:53 AND THEIR PROGRAMS, AND WE GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ABOUT
11:25:56 HOW OUR PROGRAMS WORK AND THE F.A.R. RECOMMENDS AND REFERS A
11:26:00 LOT OF PEOPLE TO US WHEN CRAs ARE LOOKING TO ESTABLISH
11:26:04 FACADE GRANT PROGRAMS AS TO HOW WE OPERATE.
11:26:07 BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN
11:26:10 DISCUSSION OR WE'RE NOT OPEN, AND WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW THIS
11:26:14 AS IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR US ALSO.
11:26:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO YOU NEED A MOTION MADE ON THIS?
11:26:18 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: IF THAT IS YOUR PLEASURE.
11:26:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, ENTERTAIN
11:26:23 THE FACADE GRANT FOR THE EAST TAMPA PROJECT.
11:26:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:26:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY MORE CLARITY ON THAT?
11:26:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GOING BY THE GRANT.
11:26:39 NEED-BASED TIERS.
11:26:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:26:44 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:26:45 ANY DISCUSSION?
11:26:48 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: JUST TO BE CLEAR, ARE YOU ASKING THAT THEY
11:26:52 ADD THIS NEED-BASED ELEMENT TO THEIR EAST TAMPA FACADE GRANT
11:26:55 PROGRAM?
11:26:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WAS THE CLARIFICATION --
11:26:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CLARIFY.
11:27:00 NEED-BASED TIER ASSESSMENT FOR THE FACADE GRANT FOR EAST
11:27:03 TAMPA.
11:27:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION STILL STANDS.
11:27:08 STILL SECONDED.
11:27:09 ALL IN FAVOR AYE.
11:27:10 ALL OPPOSED?
11:27:14 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:27:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:27:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT
11:27:23 --
11:27:25 >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: I'M ALL DONE.
11:27:27 THANK YOU, IF YOU'RE DONE WITH ME.
11:27:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:27:29 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:27:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'D
11:27:32 LIKE TO GO BACK TO NUMBER 2, FOR A MOMENT, WITH THE MONTHLY
11:27:36 CRA REPORT ACTIVITIES, PLEASE, SIR.
11:27:38 I THINK MR. ROSNER IS HERE.
11:27:41 PROBABLY CHIEF OF STAFF AND MR. JOHNSON.
11:27:43 I HAD ASKED LAST TIME ABOUT KID MASON.
11:27:51 I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE REPORT.
11:27:52 I'M STILL LOOKING FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT.
11:27:55 I KNOW THE CHIEF OF STAFF, WE GOT THIS $400,000 THAT,
11:28:00 MR. CHAIRMAN, OUR CITY COUNCIL KIND OF PUSHED FOR, IN
11:28:04 REFERENCE TO OUR PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND SO FORTH.
11:28:06 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD TALKED PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THE
11:28:09 MOTION WAS MADE IN REFERENCE TO KID MASON.
11:28:12 WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE ISSUES
11:28:17 THERE, AND DOWNTOWN BOARD TALKED ABOUT THAT.
11:28:20 I NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT SO WE CAN BE MOVING
11:28:22 FORWARD BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NEEDED OVER THERE.
11:28:26 >> I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH BRAD SUDER AT THE PARKS
11:28:32 DEPARTMENT.
11:28:32 HE BELIEVES THAT THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE TO IDENTIFY
11:28:35 THE SPECIFICS.
11:28:35 WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE PERSON THAT RUNS THE FACILITY ON
11:28:38 THE 21st OR 22nd.
11:28:39 WE WERE JUST GETTING E-MAILS TO FIND A DATE TO MEET AND
11:28:42 OUTLINE IN A SPECIFIC FORMAT AND DO THAT.
11:28:45 WE DID AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT A FEW WEEKS BEFORE THE LAST
11:28:49 MEETING.
11:28:49 THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT IN MORE DETAIL.
11:28:51 SO THE PERSON IS IN CHARGE OF THAT.
11:28:53 I DON'T RECALL HIS NAME.
11:28:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALSO PRESERVE THAT
11:28:57 BACK WALL THAT HAS ALL OUR FOUNDERS OF THE CENTRAL AVENUE ON
11:29:01 THERE.
11:29:01 FRESHEN THAT UP, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE SEE THAT IT'S
11:29:05 REALLY PRESERVED.
11:29:06 AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ON THE CRA
11:29:09 BOARD ABOUT THAT.
11:29:10 BECAUSE WITH THAT DOWNTOWN CRA, THEY HAVE THE FUNDS TO GET
11:29:13 THINGS DONE, AND WE NEED TO GET THAT MOVING.
11:29:16 MR. JOHNSON.
11:29:22 CHIEF.
11:29:25 I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANS AND MR. JOHNSON GAVE
11:29:29 HIS PRESENTATION.
11:29:30 YOU TALKED ABOUT STRATEGIC PLAN CRITERIA.
11:29:33 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
11:29:37 I KNOW THE FAIR OAKS PARK HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
11:29:39 I WANT TO MAKE SURE, SINCE '09, GOING TO 2020.
11:29:44 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CAC BOARD KNOWS ABOUT THE
11:29:46 SITUATION ABOUT THE FAIR OAKS PARK AND THAT WE'RE MOVING
11:29:49 FORWARD TO TRY TO RECTIFY THE ISSUES.
11:29:51 I WENT DOWN THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
11:29:52 I MET WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THAT ASSOCIATION, EAST
11:29:55 HILLSBOROUGH ASSOCIATION.
11:29:57 I KNOW THERE WAS AN INFESTATION OF RATS AND SOME OTHER
11:30:00 THINGS IN THAT BUILDING A WHILE AGO.
11:30:03 I'M HEARING IT'S STILL GOING ON.
11:30:06 WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT RIGHT AWAY IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
11:30:12 I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT THAT COMING ON BOARD.
11:30:14 NOW I'M ON BOARD.
11:30:15 I'M HEARING ABOUT THAT FROM COMMUNITY.
11:30:17 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT FAIR OAKS ISSUE SINCE
11:30:20 IT'S BEEN IN THE PLAN SINCE '09.
11:30:22 THAT'S A LONG TIME TO HAVE BEEN IN THE PLAN AND NOW IT'S
11:30:25 GOING ON 2020 AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.
11:30:26 WE NEED TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT PROJECT.
11:30:29 MR. JOHNSON, ANY ISSUE ON THAT?
11:30:33 >> AS IT RELATES TO FAIR OAKS?
11:30:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
11:30:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
11:30:36 >> YES.
11:30:36 IN PREVIOUS YEARS, FAIR OAKS COMMUNITY CENTER WAS LOOKED AT
11:30:42 AS A POTENTIAL FOR REHABILITATION.
11:30:46 AS YOU KNOW, IN OUR EAST TAMPA REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, THERE WAS
11:30:54 SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WAS MENTIONED BY THE COMMUNITY WHEN
11:30:57 THAT PLAN WAS DEVELOPED THAT WE SPEND TAX INCREMENT DOLLARS
11:31:03 ON REHABBING EXISTING FACILITIES WITHIN OUR FOOTPRINT VERSUS
11:31:08 BUILDING NEW STRUCTURES.
11:31:11 FAIR OAKS WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE
11:31:14 ATTENTION OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BACK AT THAT TIME FRAME.
11:31:17 AND THERE WAS MOVEMENT BY OUR PARKS AND RECREATION
11:31:21 DEPARTMENT TO PLAN FOR THE REHABILITATION OR ACTUALLY
11:31:29 ELIMINATE OR TEARING IT DOWN AND REBUILDING THAT STRUCTURE.
11:31:33 FROM TIME TO TIME, IT WAS IN THE BUDGET, AND THEN IT WAS
11:31:37 REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET FOR OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WERE GIVEN
11:31:41 TO OTHER REQUESTS FOR FUNDING OUT OF THE GENERAL REVENUE
11:31:45 FUND.
11:31:45 SO IT NEVER CAME BACK.
11:31:46 HOWEVER, IN MY CONVERSATION WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND
11:31:48 RECREATION, HE'S INFORMED ME THAT THEY DID MAKE SUBSTANTIAL
11:31:55 IMPROVEMENTS TO FAIR OAKS FROM A REHABILITATION STANDPOINT
11:31:59 TO TRY TO CLEAR UP SOME OF THOSE OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT YOU
11:32:03 POINTED OUT THAT WERE NEGATIVE INTO THAT FACILITY.
11:32:07 SO AS FAR AS TODAY GOES, THE FACILITY IS FROM THE PARKS AND
11:32:13 RECREATION DIRECTOR STANDPOINT, THE FACILITY IS ADEQUATE FOR
11:32:17 WHAT'S BEING USED THERE RIGHT AT THE PRESENT TIME.
11:32:22 BUT IT WAS A PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE FAIR OAKS TO
11:32:25 BE EXPANDED.
11:32:26 BECAUSE AT THAT TIME OF THE DISCUSSION, FAIR OAKS WAS
11:32:29 HANDLING A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF YOUTH AFTER SCHOOL IN THEIR
11:32:35 PROGRAMS.
11:32:35 AND THEY WERE JUST BUSTING AT THE SEAMS.
11:32:38 SO THE DEAL WAS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DESIGN THE NEW
11:32:41 FACILITY AND POTENTIALLY TEAR THE OLD ONE DOWN AND BUILD A
11:32:45 NEW ONE.
11:32:45 THERE AGAIN, PRIORITIES IN THE GENERAL REVENUE BUDGET MOVED
11:32:50 THAT PROJECT FOR SOME OTHER PRIORITY.
11:32:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SINCE THAT IS IN THE PLAN, LET'S MAKE SURE
11:32:56 THE CC BOARD KNOWS ABOUT IT.
11:32:58 LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
11:32:58 THERE ARE DOLLARS THERE.
11:33:00 THERE ARE INTEREST DOLLARS THERE.
11:33:02 SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT IF THE GENERAL BUDGET CAN'T DO IT, WE
11:33:05 LOOK AT US DOING IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THERE, IT WAS A
11:33:08 PRIORITY, AND I THINK THE CAC BOARD IS AWARE OF THAT PROJECT
11:33:12 AS WELL.
11:33:13 LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE KNOWS THAT WE'RE
11:33:15 WORKING ON THESE ISSUES ONE STEP AT A TIME, AND NOW THAT I'M
11:33:18 GOING TO BE PUSHING THE ENVELOPE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET
11:33:21 THINGS PUT IN THE ENVELOPE.
11:33:23 OKAY?
11:33:24 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:33:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:33:27 PLEASE REMEMBER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR YOUR PUBLIC
11:33:38 COMMENT.
11:33:39 IF I COULD SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING
11:33:42 TO BE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS?
11:33:46 COULD YOU LINE UP MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT TO PREPARE FOR PUBLIC
11:33:52 COMMENT, IF YOU CAN.
11:33:55 >> GOOD MORNING, JEANETTE LARUSSA FENTON.
11:33:58 I'M VERY PROUD TO BE HERE REPRESENTING THE WEST TAMPA
11:34:01 CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
11:34:01 GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, AND ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
11:34:05 WE WANT TO FIRST THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS CRA BOARD'S
11:34:09 SUPPORT OF THE UPCOMING FLAVOR OF WEST TAMPA EVENT.
11:34:13 WE RECEIVED A VERY GENEROUS $5,000 GRANT THAT IS GOING TO
11:34:16 HELP GREATLY TOWARD THAT EVENT, TOWARD THE CITY COSTS THAT
11:34:19 ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
11:34:21 SO WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:34:23 I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. KINDER, THE STAFF AND WEST TAMPA
11:34:27 CAC FOR THEIR STRONG SUPPORT.
11:34:29 NOW THE FUN PART, THE FLAVOR OF WEST TAMPA.
11:34:32 MARK YOUR CALENDAR, SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 10th, 11 A.M. TO
11:34:35 4 P.M.
11:34:36 WE ARE AT A BRAND-NEW FACILITY AT JULIAN B. LANE RIVERFRONT
11:34:40 PARK.
11:34:41 IT'S GOING TO BE SPECTACULAR.
11:34:42 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE.
11:34:45 MANY OF YOU REMEMBER THAT WE HAD THE FLAVOR OF WEST TAMPA
11:34:48 FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS, AND WE TOOK A HIATUS FOR SEVERAL
11:34:53 YEARS.
11:34:53 NOW WE'RE BACK, HOPEFULLY BIGGER AND BETTER THAN EVER.
11:34:56 AND WE HAVE A NEW TWIST.
11:34:57 THIS YEAR IT IS FLAVOR OF WEST TAMPA, SANGRIA AND CIGARS.
11:35:02 SO IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE FOOD FROM THE ICONIC WEST TAMPA
11:35:08 RESTAURANTS, WE HAVE ABOUT 18 OF THEM, THERE'S SOMETHING TO
11:35:11 MEET EVERY PALATE.
11:35:12 WE'LL HAVE SANGRIA.
11:35:14 WE'LL HAVE CIGARS.
11:35:15 THIS IS A FAMILY-FRIENDLY EVENT.
11:35:16 WE'LL HAVE A CHILDREN'S AREA.
11:35:19 WE'LL HAVE BUSINESS EXPO.
11:35:21 IT IS A FREE EVENT.
11:35:22 I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE
11:35:25 SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ENJOYED BY ALL.
11:35:27 OF COURSE, THE FOOD AND BEVERAGES WILL BE FOR SALE.
11:35:33 OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING IS FREE.
11:35:35 ANOTHER NEW THING THIS YEAR IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A DOMINO
11:35:37 TOURNAMENT.
11:35:37 YES, I AM TALKING TO YOU COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:35:41 [ LAUGHTER ]
11:35:42 BUT THERE WILL BE A DOMINO TOURNAMENT, SO WE ENCOURAGE
11:35:46 EVERYONE TO SIGN UP FOR THAT.
11:35:47 ANOTHER THING I WANT TO RELAY IS THAT THIS IS A FANTASTIC
11:35:54 OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE WEST TAMPA, OUR HISTORY AND OUR
11:35:59 CULTURE.
11:36:00 IN ADDITION, THE PROCEEDS FOR THIS WILL BENEFIT THE
11:36:02 JUDEO-CHRISTIAN HEALTH CLINIC.
11:36:04 SO THE WEST TAMPA CHAMBER IS VERY PROUD TO ORGANIZE THE
11:36:08 EVENT AND TO PROVIDE THE PROCEEDS TO THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN
11:36:12 HEALTH CLINIC, THAT, AS YOU KNOW, HELPS THOSE MEDICAL
11:36:16 INDIGENT TO RECEIVE CARE THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT RECEIVE.
11:36:20 WE INVITE YOU PERSONALLY TO ATTEND.
11:36:21 EVERYONE HERE.
11:36:22 THE LISTENING AUDIENCE, AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL ON
11:36:26 SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 10th, 11 TO 4.
11:36:28 THANK YOU AGAIN.
11:36:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. FENTON, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU
11:36:34 FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION AND ALSO FOR YOUR MANY,
11:36:38 MANY DECADES OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, AT THE COUNTY, AT
11:36:42 THE CITY, WITH THE CRA, AND NOW IN THE SEMI PRIVATE SECTOR
11:36:46 WITH THE CHAMBER.
11:36:47 SO THANK YOU.
11:36:49 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:36:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE LOOK FORWARD TO ATTENDING.
11:36:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. FENTON.
11:36:53 NEXT PLEASE.
11:36:55 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:36:56 IT IS MY GREATEST PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.
11:36:59 I WAS VERY ENLIGHTENED WITH THE INFORMATION I DID RECEIVE.
11:37:02 ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IN THE MEETING THIS MORNING WAS
11:37:04 THAT ALL EIGHT OF THE DISTRICTS ARE RESPONSIBLE, NOT JUST
11:37:10 FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.
11:37:13 AND I AM SO GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ALL REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT
11:37:18 GOING TO BE A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIX IN THE NEXT
11:37:22 FEW MINUTES, NEXT FEW MONTHS OR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THAT
11:37:25 THIS HAS BEEN A LONG-STANDING PROBLEM HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH
11:37:29 COUNTY, DISTRICT 5 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND THAT THIS IS
11:37:32 NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
11:37:34 I HEARD EXPLAINED BY SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY THAT
11:37:38 WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE POPULATION HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:37:42 WE REALIZE THIS.
11:37:44 SO WHAT WE HEAR FROM YBOR CRA MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME RESPONSE
11:37:47 WE GET FROM DISTRICT 5 WHERE I LIVE.
11:37:51 INFORMATION TELLS US, THE CENSUS BUREAU TELLS US THAT FACTS
11:37:57 SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
11:37:58 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIAN INCOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE
11:38:00 IN DISTRICT 5 IS NOT GOING TO BE REFLECTED THE SAME AS THOSE
11:38:03 WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN OR CHANNELSIDE.
11:38:06 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE HAVE BEEN
11:38:09 REPORTED THAT THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PERSONS ENTER INTO THE
11:38:13 PRISON SYSTEM COME FROM DISTRICT 5, AND THAT THESE SAME
11:38:17 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME HOME TO DISTRICT 5.
11:38:20 I AM SO HAPPY TO HEAR THAT WE HAVE A SOLUTION, WHICH IS
11:38:24 GOING TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
11:38:26 WE DON'T HAVE A POPULATION WE CAN AFFORD TO THROW AWAY.
11:38:29 THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK AT YOUR BURGER KING.
11:38:31 THEY ARE GOING TO BE AT YOUR WALMART.
11:38:33 THEY ARE GOING TO BE AT YOUR McDONALD'S, SERVING YOU
11:38:35 COFFEE IN RESTAURANTS.
11:38:36 THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOWNTOWN PICKING UP THE PAPER AFTER THE
11:38:39 SPECIAL EVENTS YOU HAVE, AND THEY DESERVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
11:38:42 WE CANNOT AFFORD TO FORGET THERE IS A CLASS OF PEOPLE WHO
11:38:47 STILL NEED SOMEWHERE TO LIVE.
11:38:49 AND BEING THAT DISTRICT 5 IS THAT SPOT, THAT PLACE, THAT ZIP
11:38:53 CODE, 33610, HOWEVER WE WANT TO GET AROUND IT, WE STILL
11:38:57 DESERVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
11:38:59 WORKFORCE HOUSING.
11:38:59 IT IS NOT THE $250,000, STEEL STRUCTURE YOU'RE PUTTING UP ON
11:39:06 CHELSEA.
11:39:06 NOT THE 75 LOTS YOU'RE GIVING TO DOMAIN HOMES.
11:39:10 220 STARTING OUT THE GATE.
11:39:13 FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS PROGRAM, LET'S FACE IT, IT'S ONLY A
11:39:15 SECOND POLICE REPORT.
11:39:16 WE HAVE GOT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THESE
11:39:19 NEIGHBORHOODS.
11:39:19 IT SAYS COMMUNITY IS THE FIRST PART OF YOUR NAME.
11:39:21 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT.
11:39:23 IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMMUNITY, THAT MEANS PEOPLE.
11:39:25 SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
11:39:27 I APPRECIATE MY THREE MINUTES, AND I THANK YOU FOR HEARING
11:39:30 ME OUT.
11:39:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:39:33 >>THE CLERK: EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:39:35 DID THE SPEAKER PLACE HER NAME ON THE RECORD?
11:39:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MA'AM, WOULD YOU MIND COMING BACK AND GIVING
11:39:40 US YOUR NAME, PLEASE.
11:39:41 >> CAROL RANSOM.
11:39:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. RANSOM.
11:39:47 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:39:48 JOHNNY JOHNSON.
11:39:49 THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED THIS MORNING IS THE CRA IS COMING
11:39:56 IN -- AND THE CAC IS NOT REACHING THE COMMUNITY.
11:39:59 YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SPEAKING FOR THE MASSES.
11:40:02 A LOT OF PEOPLE IS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT AND
11:40:06 ECONOMICAL.
11:40:08 FOR EXAMPLE, YOU BRUNG IN WALMART.
11:40:10 SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL SERVICE.
11:40:11 HALF SERVICE.
11:40:12 THEY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
11:40:14 THE WAY IT'S DRIVEN. SO WHEN YOU'RE REDEVELOPING, YOU HAVE
11:40:18 TO THINK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH YOU'RE BRINGING THESE
11:40:21 BUSINESSES IN AND SEND THEM DOWN IN THERE.
11:40:24 STILL AN ECONOMIC-BASED SYSTEM THE WAY WE ARE GETTING, FOR
11:40:27 EXAMPLE, THE CAC AND CRA, WITH F.D.O.T. YOU ALL GOING TO
11:40:33 CLOSE DOWN FLORIBRASKA.
11:40:35 THAT WASN'T THE VOICE OF PEOPLE.
11:40:37 IT WAS THE VOICE OF A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THINKING THEY
11:40:40 ARE DOING THE BEST FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN
11:40:42 DISTRICT FIVE.
11:40:44 WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, AGAIN, EVERYBODY IS TO BE
11:40:47 ACCOUNTED FOR.
11:40:48 WE ELECTED YOU GUYS TO SPEAK ON AND MOVE ON OUR BEHALF AND
11:40:52 WHICH WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, THE CRA, THE COMMUNITY
11:40:55 REDEVELOPMENT, ONLY THINKING ABOUT OUR FEEL AND THE
11:40:58 COMMUNITY FEEL IT IS THE BUSINESSES.
11:41:00 THE CAC IS NOT COMMUNICATING WITH THE MASSES OF THE
11:41:06 COMMUNITY AND THE CONSTITUENTS.
11:41:07 SO THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:41:09 WHEN SOMETHING IS REDEVELOPED, THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY
11:41:11 IS LIKE WILD BECAUSE THEY HAD NO IDEA THE PUBLIX WAS GOING
11:41:17 DOWN ON CHANNELSIDE THIS WAS GOING ON OVER HERE BECAUSE
11:41:20 THERE IS A BIG DISCONNECT.
11:41:21 YOU ALL LOOK GOOD SITTING UP HERE WHEN YOU GOT YOUR CRA
11:41:25 BOARD MEMBERS COMING UP, TELLING YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:41:27 AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY, DO NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN
11:41:31 THEIR BOUNDARIES IN THEIR DISTRICT.
11:41:34 I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FIX THAT SO THAT
11:41:37 EVERYONE CAN COME DOWN -- EVERYONE CAN'T COME DOWN HERE AND
11:41:41 BE IN THE MEETING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:41:44 PUBLICIZING IT ON TELEVISION NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
11:41:47 WAY A CAC HOLDING A MASS MEETING, LIBRARY, SCHOOL,
11:41:51 SOMETHING, PEOPLE CAN MAKE THE MEETINGS AND KNOW WHAT YOU
11:41:53 GUYS ARE REDEVELOPING INSTEAD OF SOMETHING BEING SPRUNG UP
11:41:57 ON THEM.
11:41:58 EVERY TIME IN MY COMMUNITY, IT SPRINGS UP.
11:42:01 OH, MAN, DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
11:42:02 AGAIN, WITH -- THE WEED DISPENSARY AND STUFF GOING ON, A LOT
11:42:06 OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY DO NOT WANT A LOT OF THINGS THAT
11:42:08 YOU GUYS ARE CALLING REDEVELOPMENT.
11:42:10 IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE BLINDSIDED AND THEIR
11:42:17 MONEY BEING SPENT AND DEVELOP THINGS THAT THEY REALLY DON'T
11:42:20 WANT OR WANT IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
11:42:22 AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO DO ABOUT THE DISCONNECT
11:42:29 BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY AND WHAT'S GOING AROUND
11:42:31 OVERALL.
11:42:31 AGAIN, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS UMBRELLA.
11:42:33 I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL FAR OUT TO GET GOOD BUSINESSES.
11:42:38 YOU'RE BRINGING BUSINESSES INTO THE COMMUNITY NOT REALLY
11:42:40 SERVING IT.
11:42:41 AGAIN, YOU NEED TO RELOOK AT WALMART ON 15th AND
11:42:44 HILLSBOROUGH.
11:42:44 ON 19th AND HILLSBOROUGH.
11:42:46 BRUNG IT IN, BUT IT'S NOT A FULL SERVICE.
11:42:49 IT'S HALF A SERVICE AND TAKING TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
11:42:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
11:42:55 MS. LOUIS.
11:42:59 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:42:59 YVETTE LOUIS.
11:43:00 YOU WANT MY ADDRESS?
11:43:01 I COME TO YOU THIS MORNING ON A COUPLE OF TOPICS.
11:43:07 FIRST OF ALL, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS JUST THAT, THE WORD,
11:43:10 AFFORDABLE.
11:43:11 AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO YOU IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT FOR
11:43:15 SOMEONE WHO HAS A VERY MINIMAL INCOME AND TRYING TO SURVIVE.
11:43:22 WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS COMING TO EAST TAMPA,
11:43:24 I NEED YOU TO LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO IS REALLY ACTUALLY GOING
11:43:27 TO DO SOME HOUSING THAT WE CAN AFFORD.
11:43:30 $240,000 AND $280,000 IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF I'M
11:43:35 WORKING AT BURGER KING OR McDONALD'S OR EVEN IF I'M A
11:43:38 TEACHER'S AIDE.
11:43:39 I WANT YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
11:43:42 LOOK FOR A PRIVATE DEVELOPER THAT'S REALLY READY TO COME IN
11:43:45 AND HELP THE COMMUNITY.
11:43:46 IT CAN BE DONE.
11:43:47 DON'T TELL ME IT CAN'T BECAUSE IT CAN.
11:43:49 ALSO, TOO, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
11:43:52 THE CAC, THE EAST TAMPA REVITALIZATION PROGRAM HAD A MEETING
11:44:00 THE OTHER DAY.
11:44:01 WHAT WAS IT, WEDNESDAY?
11:44:02 I'M SORRY, TUESDAY.
11:44:04 AFTER THAT MEETING WAS OVER, MY PHONE WAS RINGING.
11:44:08 MY PHONE WAS RINGING.
11:44:17 [ENCODER DROP]
11:44:21 -- TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL AND CLEAN IT UP NOW.
11:44:39 I KNOW YOU ALL ARE VOTING AND TALKING ABOUT A NEW EXECUTIVE
11:44:43 DIRECTOR.
11:44:43 WHEN YOU GIVE HIM HIS OFFICE SPACE, I WANT YOU TO GIVE HIM A
11:44:47 BROOM AND SEND HIM TO EAST TAMPA CAC, EAST TAMPA
11:44:52 REVITALIZATION PROGRAM AND SWEEP IT UP AND CLEAN IT OUT,
11:44:56 BECAUSE IT'S A MESS.
11:44:56 AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW ONE THING ALSO.
11:45:01 IF YOU PUT PAINT ON A WALL OVER IN FAIR OAKS AND THAT WALL
11:45:07 IS INFESTED WITH RATS AND ROACHES, YOU JUST GOT INFESTED
11:45:12 PAINT.
11:45:12 OKAY.
11:45:16 PLEASE UNDERSTAND.
11:45:17 GIVE THOSE PEOPLE -- AS A MATTER OF FACT, HOLD ON.
11:45:21 I'LL MAKE IT PERSONAL.
11:45:23 GIVE ME A NEW BUILDING.
11:45:24 THAT SAME SWING SET, I HATE TO SAY, IS THE SAME SWING SET I
11:45:30 WAS SKINNED UP AND BURNT UP ON WHEN I WAS A CHILD PLAYING
11:45:35 OVER THERE IN FAIR OAKS.
11:45:36 THIS IS A SHAME BEFORE GOD THAT I HAVE TO CONTINUE TO COME
11:45:39 UP HERE AND ASK YOU FOLKS TO FIX THAT PARK FOR ME.
11:45:42 MY BABY, I HAVE A TWO-YEAR-OLD.
11:45:45 I NEED YOUR HELP.
11:45:46 I NEED YOU TO CLEAN UP EAST TAMPA.
11:45:50 CAC, AND I NEED YOU TO GIVE FAIR OAKS PARK A BRAND-NEW
11:45:56 FACILITY.
11:45:56 THANK YOU.
11:46:01 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:46:01 MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
11:46:06 I'M THE PASTOR OF TRINITY AND FAITH MINISTRY.
11:46:08 90% OF MY PARISHIONERS LIVE IN EAST TAMPA.
11:46:12 THE OTHER 10% THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
11:46:14 FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR NOT VOTING TO BLOCK OFF
11:46:18 FLORIBRASKA, HOWEVER, I'M HERE.
11:46:20 I HEARD QUITE A BIT SO I WANT TO START WITH PRIORITIZING.
11:46:23 WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO PRIORITIZE.
11:46:26 AND THAT'S NOT BEING DONE.
11:46:28 I HEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE FACADE, NEED BASED.
11:46:34 JUST LIKE ON PAPER, I CAN'T RECEIVE FOOD STAMPS, BUT MY
11:46:37 REALITY IS THAT I NEED THEM.
11:46:39 BUT I CAN'T GET THEM.
11:46:41 SO YOU CAN GO OFF NEED BASE.
11:46:45 WE NEED TO DO THAT.
11:46:47 SECONDLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CONTAINER
11:46:50 HOME.
11:46:50 I HAD NEVER SEEN ONE UNTIL THE OTHER DAY.
11:46:53 THERE IS A GENTLEMAN, A WHITE GENTLEMAN IN THE HOOD, IN THE
11:46:56 BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD WHO'S BUILDING A CONTAINER HOME, TWO
11:47:01 BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND IT HAS FULL-SERVICE KITCHEN, A LIVING
11:47:05 ROOM, LOFT.
11:47:05 SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF
11:47:08 THE DAY, THAT MAN WOULD NOT OWE A PENNY TO ANYONE.
11:47:12 YOU GET THE PROPERTIES REAL CHEAP.
11:47:14 WINDOWS, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK
11:47:17 AT.
11:47:17 NOW, LET'S GO TO FAIR OAKS.
11:47:19 I'M HEARING ABOUT, ONCE AGAIN, PRIORITIZING.
11:47:23 2009, THE MONEY WAS THERE.
11:47:25 THE MONEY WAS TAKEN FROM THERE AND SENT TO DAVIS ISLANDS.
11:47:28 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
11:47:29 COUNCILMAN GUDES ASKED A REPRESENTATIVE FOR DISTRICT FIVE, A
11:47:34 MOTION NEED TO BE MADE TODAY THAT FAIR OAKS BE PRIORITIZED,
11:47:39 THAT THEY NEED TO GET WHAT THEY NEED TO REDO THIS BUILDING,
11:47:42 TEAR IT DOWN, FIX IT UP OR WHEREVER, BECAUSE THE MONEY WAS
11:47:46 PUT THERE.
11:47:47 WE ARE TAXPAYERS.
11:47:48 WE ARE ALSO SUPER VOTERS OUT THERE, AND YOU CANNOT TREAT THE
11:47:52 PEOPLE LIKE CHILDREN.
11:47:55 YOU DANGLE A CARROT IN THEIR FACE, SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE
11:47:58 THIS TO YOU, YOU SNATCH IT AND TAKE IT OVER TO DAVIS ISLANDS
11:48:01 WHERE PEOPLE REALLY CAN PAY FOR WHATEVER SERVICE THEY NEED
11:48:05 OVER THERE.
11:48:05 THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO HAVE TO COME
11:48:07 DOWN HERE AND PLEAD FOR.
11:48:10 NOW WITH THE CAC HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ONE THAT THEY MAKE
11:48:14 THE MOTION, DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO, THEN THEY ALLOW THE
11:48:18 PUBLIC INPUT.
11:48:19 THAT MAKES NO GOOD SENSE.
11:48:21 YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
11:48:25 YOU'VE BEEN HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
11:48:27 YOU KEEP SAYING PUBLIC INPUT, PUBLIC INPUT, WHERE HERE WE
11:48:31 HAVE NO PUBLIC INPUT.
11:48:32 ONE OF THE MOST BLIGHTED AREAS IS EAST TAMPA AND UNIVERSITY
11:48:36 OF TAMPA, BUT IN THAT AREA OUT THERE, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
11:48:38 FLORIDA.
11:48:40 SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU NEED TO LISTEN AT THE PEOPLE WHO
11:48:44 LIVE IT, EAT IT, AND IT'S THEIR REALITY AS TO WHAT THEY NEED
11:48:49 AND NOT CONTINUE TO HAVE A HANDFUL OF SELECTED PEOPLE WHO
11:48:54 LOOK LIKE ME AND YOU LISTEN AT WHAT THEY SAY AND NOT THE
11:48:58 MASSES OF THE PEOPLE WHO'S BEING PAID AND GOING THROUGH ALL
11:49:01 THE DIFFERENT ISSUES OUT THERE.
11:49:03 SO COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU SPEAK UP TODAY,
11:49:08 MAKE A MOTION FOR THE PEOPLE IN FAIR OAKS, BECAUSE WE DO
11:49:13 WANT THE CULTURE CENTER BUT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT
11:49:18 CULTURE CENTER WILL TAKE A WHILE BEFORE IT'S EVEN BUILT.
11:49:22 THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE PUT IN PLACE FOR
11:49:24 THAT.
11:49:24 BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, EAST FAIR OAKS WAS ON THE AGENDA WAY
11:49:29 BACK IN 2009.
11:49:30 IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT NOW ONCE AGAIN, THEY ARE PUT ON THE BACK
11:49:34 BURNER.
11:49:35 AND YOU'RE CAUSING THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO BE DIVIDED ONCE
11:49:40 AGAIN BY FIGHTING EACH OTHER AS TO WHAT WE WANT OVER HERE
11:49:44 AND WHAT WE WANT OVER THERE, WHEN WE DESERVE BOTH OF THEM.
11:49:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME SPEAK TO THAT.
11:49:52 MS. PATTY, COME BACK.
11:49:53 YOU MADE TWO POINTS.
11:49:55 LET ME GET TO THE CAC BECAUSE I SAT ON THAT BOARD.
11:49:57 I CAN TELL YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT.
11:49:58 THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CHANGE MADE AS IT RELATES TO THE
11:50:03 PARTNERSHIP, THE CAC BOARD AND HOPEFULLY WITH THE NEW
11:50:07 DIRECTOR COMING IN, WE CAN ROUND THIS TOGETHER.
11:50:10 THOSE MEETINGS ARE POSTED, BUT WE DON'T GET TO PARTICIPATE
11:50:13 SOMETIMES FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO COME OUT TO THE MEETINGS TO
11:50:17 VOICE THEIR CONCERNS.
11:50:19 YOU GET A LOT OF THE PRESENCE OF THE DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS
11:50:22 THAT DO COME TO THE MEETINGS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN
11:50:26 PRIORITIES.
11:50:26 WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TWO MEETINGS A WEEK AND THEN THE
11:50:29 ASSOCIATIONS ARE HAVING THEIR OWN MEETING, PEOPLE -- SO THEY
11:50:34 DON'T COME OUT TO ALL THE MEETINGS.
11:50:35 BUT THEIR REPRESENTATIVE COMES TO THOSE MEETINGS TO SAY WHAT
11:50:39 THEIR PARTICULAR ASSOCIATION IS SAYING AND WHAT THEY WANT.
11:50:42 THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
11:50:42 HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO BETTER ON THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT
11:50:45 WE'RE MARKETING BETTER.
11:50:46 WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY ABOUT
11:50:48 MARKETING PRODUCTS AND MARKETING WHAT WE DO.
11:50:50 I ALREADY TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF WHEN HE FIRST CAME ON
11:50:53 BOARD AS IT RELATES TO BETTER MARKETING IN THE CITY ON ALL
11:50:56 FRONTS.
11:50:56 AS IT RELATES TO FAIR OAKS, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT FAIR OAKS
11:51:00 UNTIL THE END, UNTIL IT CAME ABOUT.
11:51:03 I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.
11:51:04 I QUESTION '09 TO NOW.
11:51:08 I'VE QUESTIONED THAT.
11:51:10 THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO.
11:51:13 IRREGARDLESS FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS, THE TIF DOLLARS SHOULD
11:51:17 HAVE COME IN AND TAKEN CARE OF THAT.
11:51:19 POINT-BLANK, SIMPLE.
11:51:20 IT WAS IN THE PLAN.
11:51:21 IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
11:51:22 IT WAS NOT DONE.
11:51:23 YOU SAW ME, TELL THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND MR. JOHNSON, WE NEED
11:51:26 TO START LOOKING AT THAT NOW, NOT LATER.
11:51:29 HOPEFULLY I'LL BE GETTING THE STAFF REPORT BACK WITHIN A
11:51:31 COUPLE OF WEEKS OR BY THE END OF THE MONTH TO FIND OUT WHERE
11:51:34 WE'RE AT ON THAT, ONCE HE GOES DOWN THERE AND MAKES AN
11:51:37 EVALUATION WITH PARKS AND REC AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:51:39 I CAN MAKE THAT MOTION.
11:51:41 BE HAPPY TO.
11:51:41 HOPEFULLY WE GET A SECOND ON THAT.
11:51:43 I ALREADY INSTRUCTED STAFF AND MR. JOHNSON TO LOOK INTO THAT
11:51:45 AT THIS POINT.
11:51:47 >> SOLUTION.
11:51:48 EXPECT THAT PEOPLE DON'T COME TO THE MEETING, WHY SHOULD YOU
11:51:52 COME JUST TO BE A SPECTATOR?
11:51:54 TWO, LET'S BE TRANSPARENT.
11:51:55 LET'S MAKE THE MOTION.
11:51:56 IF YOUR COLLEAGUES GO WITH YOU OR NOT, LET'S BE AS CHARLIE
11:52:00 -- NO RESPECT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON --
11:52:04 IF YOU'RE STANDING ALONE TODAY, YOU STAND ALONE.
11:52:07 BUT MAKE A MOTION SO YOUR CONSTITUENCY KNOWS HOW YOU FEEL.
11:52:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HAVE MOTIONS AT THE END.
11:52:12 LET'S FINISH WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
11:52:16 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:52:17 CONNIE BURTON.
11:52:21 IT'S A LABEL OF LOVE TO -- LABOR OF LOVE TO COME DOWN HERE.
11:52:24 ON THIS SIDE MOST OF US ARE NOT REAPING A PAYCHECK.
11:52:28 MR. JOHNSON CAME THIS MORNING AND HE PRESENTED A PLAN FOR
11:52:32 EAST TAMPA AND LAID OUT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FOR WHETHER
11:52:35 IT IS FIRST-TIME OWNERSHIP OR REHAB.
11:52:38 THE EAST TAMPA PARTNERSHIP HAS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT
11:52:43 HAS A HOUSING COMMITTEE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO MEET EVERY THIRD
11:52:48 THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
11:52:49 I BET NOT ONE SIGN-IN SHEET CAN BE PROVIDED BECAUSE THE
11:52:53 COUNCIL PERSON THAT CHAIRS THAT MEETING DON'T EVEN CHAIR IT
11:52:56 AT HIS OFFICE.
11:52:57 I POSITION MYSELF IN THAT COMMUNITY TO SEE IF ANYBODY IS
11:53:01 COMING TO THE MEETING.
11:53:03 NOBODY IS COMING TO THE MEETING.
11:53:04 HOW ARE THESE DECISIONS BEING MADE?
11:53:06 RIGHT NOW WE FIND OURSELVES, THE CAC VERSUS THE COMMUNITY.
11:53:10 THE MEETINGS ARE HELD 10:00 IN THE MORNING, 10:15 IN THE
11:53:16 MORNING.
11:53:18 THEY HAD A MEETING AND THIS IS WHAT REALLY BROUGHT ME DOWN
11:53:20 HERE, BECAUSE WHO WAS AT THE MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT?
11:53:22 AND FROM THE AUDIENCE, IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE CAC OF EAST
11:53:28 TAMPA HAS AGREED TO GIVE $1 MILLION TO BUILD A SENIOR
11:53:37 FACILITY OVER AT THE 18th STREET PARK.
11:53:42 WHEN HAS THE COMMUNITY VETTED?
11:53:44 WHEN HAVE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT?
11:53:47 BUT THE CAC AND THAT LITTLE POWER GROUP OF SEVEN MAKES THE
11:53:51 DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE ONLY HAVE INPUT AT THE
11:53:54 VERY END, WHERE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN FIRST, SECOND, AND
11:53:58 CLOSE.
11:53:58 ALL RIGHT.
11:53:59 SO THEY MET ON SEPTEMBER THE 6th.
11:54:01 A MOTION WAS MADE BY KIM HEADLAND TO TELL THE COUNCILWOMAN
11:54:08 TO COME DOWN HERE AND TELL YOU ALL -- GET THE MINUTES AND
11:54:10 READ THEM.
11:54:10 TO GO DOWN THERE, CHAIRMAN GOODLEY, AND RELATE TO THE CRA
11:54:15 BOARD, A.K., CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER THE 12th, THAT WE
11:54:21 HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THE 1 MILLION SPENT TO CRA FOR COMMUNITY
11:54:25 CENTER AND THAT IT NEED TO BE FULLY VETTED.
11:54:28 AND FOUR DAYS LATER, ANOTHER BODY OF THE CAC SAY WE'RE GOING
11:54:33 TO RESCIND THAT, SEVEN PEOPLE AGAIN SAYING, COUNCILWOMAN,
11:54:39 YOU GO AND TELL THEM IN A NONCONFRONTATIONAL WAY, RELATE TO
11:54:45 THE CRA BOARD THAT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT IN EAST TAMPA CRA
11:54:48 FOR US TO MAKE THE SENIOR CENTER HAPPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
11:54:53 WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY AND
11:54:58 FULL COMMUNICATION.
11:54:59 LET ME JUST ADD THIS.
11:55:01 THE REASON I COME DOWN HERE IS BECAUSE I LOVE MY COMMUNITY.
11:55:04 THE REASON WHY I GO TO THE CRA BOARD, BECAUSE -- IT WAS SO
11:55:12 FULL OF CORRUPTION BACK IN THE DAY.
11:55:14 BUT I'M ON THIS BOARD NOW BY INVITATION, IN THE COMMUNITY,
11:55:14 ASKED BY THE CHAIRWOMAN AND YOU, ORLANDO, TO COME, LET'S
11:55:19 MAKE IT BETTER.
11:55:20 YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE GETTING?
11:55:21 WE'RE STILL WALKING IN THE SAME CRAP.
11:55:23 IF YOU DON'T WANT FULL PROBLEMS IN THE COMMUNITY, GET IT
11:55:28 UNDER CONTROL.
11:55:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. BURTON.
11:55:30 MR. DEMAIO, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
11:55:57 >> VICTOR DEMAIO, 4925 INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY, SUITE 195.
11:56:02 I'M HERE REPRESENTING MALKA ISAAK.
11:56:05 SHE OWNS A BUILDING IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA AREA.
11:56:08 I'M HERE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD -- I'LL TELL YOU A STORY.
11:56:12 A FEW YEARS AGO, BEFORE MOST OF THIS BOARD HAS BEEN HERE,
11:56:16 THE WEST TAMPA CRA WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING MADE UP, THE
11:56:23 BOUNDARIES CAME DOWN HOWARD, ARMENIA, CUT ACROSS CYPRESS,
11:56:26 WENT DOWN ROME, AND CUT OUT A HUGE SWATH OF WEST TAMPA,
11:56:31 INCLUDING THE NEW JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER AND OTHER AREAS.
11:56:36 THEY ALL CAME TO ME AND SAID CAN YOU PLEASE SEE IF WE CAN DO
11:56:39 SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
11:56:40 AT THE TIME, THE STAFF WAS VERY BELLIGERENT, AS THEY ARE
11:56:44 WITH ME NOW.
11:56:45 THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME THE TIME OF DAY.
11:56:47 THEY SAID THAT TRAIN LEFT THE STATION.
11:56:49 WE AIN'T CHANGING THOSE LINES.
11:56:50 THEY ARE DONE.
11:56:51 I SAID, OKAY.
11:56:52 WE'LL SEE.
11:56:52 I CAME TO THE CRA, AND THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER SAY, LOOK,
11:56:58 YOU GUYS ARE MY LAST RESOURCE.
11:56:59 THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE -- AT ONE TIME, YOUR AIDES
11:57:03 WORKED FOR THE MAYOR.
11:57:04 YOUR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WORKED FOR THE MAYOR.
11:57:08 THE STAFF HERE DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU.
11:57:10 THEY WORK FOR THE MAYOR.
11:57:12 SO THIS IS WHY --
11:57:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
11:57:17 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:57:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU'RE MAKING HAIR GROW OUT OF MY HEAD.
11:57:22 >> WOW, THAT'S INTERESTING.
11:57:23 MY POINT IS THIS, TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PERSON WHO HAS A
11:57:33 PROBLEM, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO FIRST BASE UNTIL I
11:57:37 WAS ABLE TO TALK TO MR. BENNETT.
11:57:39 TO HIS CREDIT, WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND HE SAID LET'S
11:57:43 SEE WHAT I CAN DO.
11:57:44 THE OUTER BUILDING HERE NEXT TO MASSEY PARK, THE MASSEY PARK
11:57:49 REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR FIX-UP PROJECT IS A CRA PROJECT IN
11:57:52 NORTH DOWNTOWN.
11:57:53 THE CITY IS GETTING READY TO SPEND $1.7 MILLION TO FIX UP
11:57:57 THAT PARK.
11:57:58 OUR BUILDING IS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT PARK.
11:58:02 MALKA WILL COME UP HERE AND EXPLAIN TO YOU SHE WAS NOT
11:58:06 NOTIFIED.
11:58:07 WHEN I DO ZONINGS, I HAVE TO NOTIFY NEIGHBORS WITHIN
11:58:10 250 FEET.
11:58:11 HAVE TO BRING IT CERTIFIED.
11:58:13 LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
11:58:15 MALKA AND HER ATTORNEY AT THE TIME SPOKE WITH MR. ROSNER.
11:58:19 HE SAID, WELL, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THAT PARK WE'LL LET
11:58:22 YOU KNOW.
11:58:22 WELL, THEY HAD THREE MEETINGS.
11:58:24 HE DID NOT NOTIFY HER.
11:58:26 WHEN I WENT TO THE STAFF AND SAID WHY CAN'T WE INCORPORATE
11:58:29 THIS PROJECT, WHICH AS YOU SEE HERE IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.
11:58:33 SHE'S GETTING READY TO SPEND $2 MILLION ON THIS BUILDING
11:58:37 BUILT IN 1901.
11:58:39 MR. ROSNER INDICATED SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE COME BACK TO US AND
11:58:42 SAID, WELL, THAT BUILDING WILL GET TORN DOWN.
11:58:44 THE DEVELOPER THAT OWNS PROPERTY SURROUNDING HER, HE'S GOING
11:58:47 TO TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING AND BUILD A BEAUTIFUL NEW
11:58:50 HIGH-RISE, WHICH SAID IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, TAMPA IS VERY
11:58:53 GOOD BUILDING PARKING LOTS WHERE HISTORIC BUILDINGS USED TO
11:58:56 BE.
11:58:56 MY ISSUE HERE IS YOU SEE THE PROJECT.
11:58:59 WE HAVE A DOWNSTAIRS RESTAURANT THAT CAN BE FULLY
11:59:03 INCORPORATED WITH THE PARK.
11:59:04 AN UPSTAIRS TOP FLOOR RESTAURANT THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED
11:59:09 WITH THE PARK.
11:59:09 WE'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD GET TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER
11:59:12 AND MAKE THIS A MARRIAGE OF THE PARK AND THE BUILDING THAT
11:59:16 --
11:59:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF THE BOARD HAS NO PROBLEM, I AM GOING TO
11:59:20 GRANT MR. DEMAIO ANOTHER ONE MINUTE.
11:59:23 HOWEVER, MR. DEMAIO, THIS IS THE CRA BOARD.
11:59:27 >> RIGHT.
11:59:27 AND THIS IS A CRA PROJECT.
11:59:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE MAKE SURE THIS PERTAINS TO CRA.
11:59:32 >> CORRECT.
11:59:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE MORE MINUTE.
11:59:33 MAKE YOUR POINT, PLEASE.
11:59:35 >> YOU'RE RIGHT.
11:59:35 THE $1.7 MILLION TO FIX UP THIS PARK IS A CRA PROJECT.
11:59:40 THE CRA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR -- RIGHT NOW, I SEE THIS PROJECT.
11:59:46 LINES ON A PIECE OF PAPER.
11:59:48 HAVEN'T DONE THE RFP.
11:59:50 HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD.
11:59:52 ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WE CAN SIT DOWN TOGETHER, WORK
11:59:54 TOGETHER.
11:59:55 WE HAVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF RESTAURANTS WHO WORK WITH THE
11:59:59 PARKS.
12:00:01 WE HAVE GREEN FIELDS AT CURTIS HIXON PARK.
12:00:06 FISHING CAMP AND BALLAST POINT PARK THAT HAS A RESTAURANT
12:00:09 ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
12:00:10 I DO NOT SEE WHY WE COULDN'T MAKE THIS A LOVELY PROJECT WITH
12:00:13 A LOVELY RESTAURANT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PARK THAT PEOPLE CAN
12:00:15 ENJOY.
12:00:15 I'LL TRY TO WRAP THIS UP QUICKLY.
12:00:18 THE PLANS CALL FOR A DOG PARK TO BE PUT RIGHT NEXT TO THE
12:00:22 RESTAURANT.
12:00:23 FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE NEW PARK WILL HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS
12:00:25 ON THE OPPOSITE END, AWAY FROM THE RESTAURANT.
12:00:29 ALL WE'RE ASKING IS TO MOVE THE DOG PARK AND SWITCH THEM
12:00:32 WITH THE TABLES AND CHAIRS, WHERE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS CAN
12:00:34 BE NEXT TO THE RESTAURANT AND MOVE THE DOG PARK TO THE OTHER
12:00:37 END OF THE PARK.
12:00:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. DEMAIO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:00:40 STAY RIGHT THERE.
12:00:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAID THIS PROJECT IS IN THE CRA ZONE.
12:00:47 >> YES.
12:00:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU GONE TO THE CAC BOARD WITH THIS?
12:00:50 HAVE YOU TALKED TO MR. ROSNER IN REFERENCE --
12:00:53 >> MR. ROSNER, I SENT HIM E-MAILS.
12:00:55 HE HASN'T RESPONDED.
12:00:56 MY CLIENT CAC WHO IS NOT ON Facebook, TWITTER, INSTAGRAM,
12:01:02 SHE DOESN'T SCOUR THE CITY WEBSITE WHERE THE NOTICES WENT
12:01:05 OUT.
12:01:06 SHE CAN ADDRESS THAT HERSELF DIRECTLY TO YOU.
12:01:08 BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE WE HAVE HERE.
12:01:09 MR. ROSNER PROMISED HER AND MR. McINTIRE THEY WOULD BE
12:01:14 NOTICED.
12:01:14 THEY WEREN'T NOTICED.
12:01:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BASICALLY, YOU'RE LOOKING TO MEET WITH THE
12:01:20 CAC BOARD, FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE
12:01:24 OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE BOARD.
12:01:26 >> NO.
12:01:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. ROSNER.
12:01:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HANG ON ONE SECOND.
12:01:33 ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR COMMENTS?
12:01:36 MR. DINGFELDER.
12:01:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:01:38 I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
12:01:44 IT'S NOT AT ANY REZONING STAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT
12:01:48 WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM CHATTING ABOUT IT PRIVATELY.
12:01:51 MR. DEMAIO AND I HAVE CHATTED ABOUT IT.
12:01:53 IN THE ABSTRACT, I THINK A PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP LIKE
12:02:00 THIS MAKES GREAT SENSE.
12:02:02 THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR IT, AS MR. DEMAIO POINTED OUT, WITH
12:02:06 SEVERAL RESTAURANTS ADJOINING OR USING OUR PARK SPACE, TO
12:02:10 BETTER ENERGIZE THAT PARK SPACE.
12:02:15 IF SHE'S PLANNING ON OPENING UP A RESTAURANT OR HER TENANT
12:02:17 WOULD OPEN UP A RESTAURANT AND THEY COULD OVERFLOW INTO SOME
12:02:21 PARK SPACE, I THINK IT MAKES GREAT SENSE FOR TWO REASONS.
12:02:24 NUMBER ONE, IT ENERGIZES THE PARK SPACE.
12:02:28 NUMBER TWO, IT ADDS A LEVEL OF SECURITY AND PROTECTION FOR
12:02:33 THAT PARK, BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, 10, 12 YEARS AGO, WE SHUT
12:02:39 DOWN AND FENCED OFF THAT PARK BECAUSE IT WAS BASICALLY
12:02:43 BECOMING A HOMELESS SHELTER AREA.
12:02:45 AS WE KNOW, ON THAT END OF TOWN, THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT SOLVED
12:02:52 YET.
12:02:53 IF WE CAN ASSIST THIS PROPERTY OWNER IN GETTING THIS GOING
12:02:58 AND COME UP WITH, OBVIOUSLY, THERE HAS TO BE LOTS OF
12:03:01 AGREEMENTS AND DOCUMENTS.
12:03:03 I THINK MS. MALKA IS AN ATTORNEY HERSELF.
12:03:06 LOTS OF LEGALITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS JOINT VENTURE,
12:03:11 FRANKLY, LIKE I SAY, IN THE ABSTRACT, I'M NOT READY TO SIT
12:03:14 HERE AND DESIGN THIS THING.
12:03:15 AND THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE.
12:03:17 BUT I'M WHOLLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT IN THE ABSTRACT.
12:03:21 I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE MR. ROSNER AND THE CAC BOARD TO
12:03:24 WORK WITH THESE FOLKS.
12:03:26 >> WE DID MEET WITH MR. MIKE PENALOSSA -- EXCUSE ME, THE
12:03:31 HEAD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
12:03:33 SHOWED HIM ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW.
12:03:35 HE WAS BLOWN AWAY.
12:03:36 HE SAYS THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT PART OF NORTH DOWNTOWN, WE
12:03:40 CAN HAVE BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE
12:03:46 AND WORK THERE.
12:03:49 THEY HAVE VERY EXPENSIVE PLACES.
12:03:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO CLEAR MY MIND UP A LITTLE BIT.
12:03:57 THE TWO POINTS YOU BROUGHT UP AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH
12:04:00 YOU.
12:04:00 YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PARK AT BALLAST POINT.
12:04:03 TALKED ABOUT CURTIS HIXON PARK.
12:04:05 BOTH OF THOSE WERE SET UP FOR RFPs AND PEOPLE HAD TO DO
12:04:09 DUE DILIGENCE.
12:04:10 THIS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
12:04:11 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE RECORD.
12:04:12 THIS IS NOT THE SAME.
12:04:14 >> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
12:04:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
12:04:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. DEMAIO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. ROSNER
12:04:19 HAVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL.
12:04:22 COME ON UP HERE, SIR.
12:04:23 >>ROB ROSNER: GOOD MORNING.
12:04:25 ROB ROSNER, ONE FUNDING THE PROJECT FOR THE HERMAN MASSEY
12:04:30 PARK.
12:04:30 WE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS WHERE ALL WERE INVITED.
12:04:34 DOUG IS OUR CONSULTANT.
12:04:36 CARLA PRICE IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER FROM THE PARKS
12:04:39 DEPARTMENT.
12:04:39 AND THEY WERE DIRECTED TO KEEP EVERYBODY INFORMED.
12:04:42 THOSE E-MAILS WENT OUT AND PEOPLE WERE INVITED.
12:04:46 AND WE TOOK ROLL CALL AT THE MEETINGS.
12:04:50 MS. MALKA HAD A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE JUNE MEETING.
12:04:53 ROSE PETRUCHA.
12:04:54 SHE SPECIFICALLY SAID IN HER COMMENTS THAT SHE WAS
12:04:57 REPRESENTING MS. MALKA.
12:04:58 AND THAT THEY CHOSE OPTION TWO, WHICH HAD THE PARK IN THAT
12:05:01 LOCATION AND THE DOG PARK.
12:05:03 SHE'S HAD A SAY IN BEING AT THE SPOT AND HAS HAD A
12:05:10 REPRESENTATIVE THERE, WHICH HAD THE DOG PARK IN THAT SPOT.
12:05:14 THE RESPONSE TO CURTIS HIXON PARK, YES, THAT PARK WAS
12:05:21 DESIGNED WITH A RETAIL SPACE, INTENDED TO BE RENTED FOR A
12:05:25 FOOD VENDOR.
12:05:26 AND THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY AND IT IS A LEASED PROPERTY.
12:05:31 AT BIG RAY, SAME THING, CITY-OWNED BUILDING.
12:05:34 IT WAS PUT OUT TO LEASE.
12:05:37 IT'S NOT AN OUTSIDE AGENCY.
12:05:38 NOT A NEIGHBORING PARTY.
12:05:39 IT WAS FULLY OWNED, CITY-OWNED BUILDING FULLY LEASED.
12:05:45 DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
12:05:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. DINGFELDER, BEFORE WE GO ONE STEP
12:05:50 FURTHER, I HAVE COUNCIL ATTORNEY HERE, I HAVE CRA ATTORNEY
12:05:53 HERE, IS THIS A SUBJECT FOR CRA OR IS THIS ACTUALLY A
12:05:58 SUBJECT FOR CITY COUNCIL?
12:06:00 AND DO WE WANT TO CROSS THE LINES ON THAT?
12:06:06 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS YOU'RE
12:06:09 ASKING US TO DO.
12:06:11 WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CRA -- WITH THE
12:06:16 REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PARK.
12:06:17 >> YES, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS CHARGED WITH PROGRAMMING
12:06:22 AND UPGRADING THE PARK TO THE COMMUNITY'S WANTS AND NEEDS,
12:06:26 WHICH WE SET UP A LONGER PROCESS FOR LISTENING TO THE
12:06:29 COMMUNITY AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED.
12:06:33 AND THIS IS WHAT THE MAJORITY HAD WANTED.
12:06:35 AND THIS IS THE ONE THEY VOTED ON.
12:06:36 MR. PANESS, I SPOKE WITH HIM AS WELL, AND HE DIDN'T HAVE THE
12:06:42 SAME OPINION FOR WHAT HE JUST SHARED.
12:06:44 HE HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION.
12:06:46 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THE CITY'S LEASE
12:06:51 OF PARK PROPERTIES WITHIN CITY PARKS WILL BE DONE IN
12:06:53 COORDINATION WITH THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT.
12:06:55 I THINK TO YOUR POINT, THAT IS MORE IN THE NATURE OF A CITY
12:06:59 ISSUE THAN CRA ISSUE.
12:07:00 >>ROB ROSNER: RIGHT.
12:07:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:07:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN,
12:07:07 MR. CHAIRMAN, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MS. ZELMAN, YES,
12:07:11 THE CITY OWNS AND RUNS THE PARK.
12:07:16 BUT LIKE MOST OF OUR CRA PROJECTS, THE CRA IS FUNDING THIS.
12:07:21 WE ARE FUNDING THIS.
12:07:24 WE ARE TAKING A BIG PART OF IT AND WE HAVE TO COORDINATE
12:07:27 WITH THE CITY WHEN WE DO THIS.
12:07:30 >>ROB ROSNER: ABSOLUTELY.
12:07:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: VIRTUALLY EVERY MAJOR PROJECT THAT YOU OR
12:07:33 ED OR THE REST OF THEM HAVE ARE LIKE THAT.
12:07:37 YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT COULD BE BOTH, BUT ALL OF THESE
12:07:40 PROJECTS STRADDLE THE LINE.
12:07:42 LET ME JUST FINISH, ROB.
12:07:44 ARE YOU BEYOND THE POINT OF NO RETURN ON YOUR DESIGN ON
12:07:49 THIS?
12:07:50 AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S MAKING THAT FINAL DECISION IN TERMS
12:07:58 OF THE LOCATION OF THE DOG RUN AND ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF
12:08:02 SHARING SOME OF THIS SPACE WITH THE ADJACENT VENDOR.
12:08:05 ARE WE BEYOND THAT POINT?
12:08:07 IT DIDN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE MASSEY PARK IS BEYOND THAT POINT.
12:08:10 >>ROB ROSNER: WE'RE AT 90% PLANS RIGHT NOW.
12:08:12 WE'RE GIVING FINAL COMMENTS FOR DOING THAT.
12:08:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 90% DRAWINGS?
12:08:16 >>ROB ROSNER: DRAWINGS.
12:08:17 WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO OUT TO BID.
12:08:20 IT SHOULD BE BUILT IN THE SPRING.
12:08:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WE SHOULD REVISIT THAT AND SLOW
12:08:24 DOWN.
12:08:24 THAT'S MY COMMENT.
12:08:29 >>ROB ROSNER: IF WE PUT THAT OUT PART OF THE LAND WAS TO BE
12:08:32 PUT OUT FOR RFP, WE'D HAVE TO LET ALL VENDORS BE ABLE TO TRY
12:08:36 TO LEASE THAT SPACE AS A COMPETITIVE NATURE, JUST LIKE WE
12:08:39 DID IN THESE OTHER PARKS.
12:08:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MASSEY HAS BEEN UNOCCUPIED, VACANT A
12:08:45 DECADE OR MORE.
12:08:46 ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS I DON'T THINK WILL BOTHER ANYTHING.
12:08:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW FAR OUT ARE YOU WANTING TO HALT THIS
12:08:51 PROJECT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
12:08:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
12:08:55 SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
12:08:58 >>ROB ROSNER: WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD.
12:08:59 OKAY.
12:09:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF BENNETT, YOU'RE STANDING THERE
12:09:04 PATIENTLY WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING.
12:09:05 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
12:09:07 I WAS APPROACHED ON TWO CASUAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS AND
12:09:14 I WAS SHOWN SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR WHAT I'LL CALL A CHANGE
12:09:18 ORDER, TO GIVE IT A NICKNAME.
12:09:20 I WAS WILLING WITH STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF
12:09:22 WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHAT THE NEW INTENTION IS BASED ON
12:09:26 THE DISCUSSIONS AND REDRAWINGS, IF YOU WILL.
12:09:30 ALL I'M ASKING IS, I HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GO THROUGH.
12:09:35 I HAVE CONVERSATION FROM THE CITY STAFF SIDE.
12:09:37 I HEARD TODAY THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
12:09:39 I'VE HAD SIDEBAR COMMENTS.
12:09:44 I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS AS
12:09:47 WELL AS IT FITS INTO THIS PROJECT.
12:09:49 WE DO WANT THE RIGHT OUTCOME.
12:09:51 THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
12:09:53 BUT I WILL SAY THAT ORIGINALLY THE COMMUNITY OFFERED, FROM
12:09:57 WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, A DESIRED OUTCOME.
12:09:59 IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A CHANGE IF, ONE, THE COMMUNITY STILL
12:10:03 AGREES WITH THAT CHANGE, TWO, THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE
12:10:07 THAT CHANGE, THREE, IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE CHANGE ALL THE WAY
12:10:11 AROUND, LEGALLY AND, OF COURSE, OPERATIONALLY AND FROM A
12:10:15 DESIGN-BUILD POINT OF VIEW.
12:10:16 I'M JUST NOT THERE YET.
12:10:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JOHN, CAN I SUGGEST THAT YOU COME BACK ON
12:10:20 THE 28th?
12:10:21 THAT WOULD GIVE YOU TWO WEEKS TO --
12:10:24 >>JOHN BENNETT: DURING THE WORKSHOP OR 14th OF NOVEMBER?
12:10:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST AS A QUICK ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP.
12:10:32 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF WE WANT TO ADD THAT TO THE WORKSHOP, I
12:10:33 HAVE NO PROBLEM.
12:10:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE MEETING.
12:10:37 >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH, I THINK IN TWO WEEKS I CAN FIGURE OUT
12:10:39 WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE NEED TO GO.
12:10:41 AGAIN, THIS IS DAYS' OLD IN PARKING LOT CONVERSATIONS AND
12:10:45 HALLWAY CONVERSATIONS.
12:10:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, BEEN WATCHING CITY COUNCIL FOR MANY
12:11:03 YEARS AND BEING AT CITY COUNCIL, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY
12:11:07 WHO WILL BARGAIN.
12:11:09 WHO WILL LISTEN AND MAKE FRIENDS WITH EVERYBODY.
12:11:13 I'M GLAD YOU ARE DOING THAT WITH THIS COUNCIL.
12:11:19 I KNOW TIME IS TOUGH.
12:11:21 CITY STAFF SOMETIMES, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY
12:11:25 HAPPY.
12:11:26 WE CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY 100% HAPPY BUT WE CAN COME AS CLOSE
12:11:29 AS WE CAN.
12:11:30 I'M GLAD YOU'RE LOOKING AT COMING BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS
12:11:33 TO COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION TO HELP A HISTORICAL BUILDING
12:11:36 A LONG TIME AND A POSSIBLE NEW BUSINESS THAT HELP EVERYBODY
12:11:39 IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
12:11:40 I THANK YOU FOR THAT.
12:11:41 >>JOHN BENNETT: MY PLEASURE.
12:11:43 I THINK WE SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF PEOPLE HELPING
12:11:45 PEOPLE.
12:11:45 THE OUTCOME OF THAT.
12:11:46 TO ME, THE FAVORABLE OUTCOME IS WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THIS
12:11:52 PRIVATE/PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP UNDER THE CRA REALM.
12:11:56 WE'LL WORK ON IT.
12:11:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS --
12:12:01 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ONE QUICK THING.
12:12:03 I DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO YOUR DESIGN, BUT SOMEONE MENTIONED
12:12:08 THE POSSIBILITY OF AN RFP ON THIS.
12:12:12 IF THAT HAPPENS, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE
12:12:15 OTHER CONCESSIONS THAT YOU ALL MENTIONED.
12:12:16 THE OTHERS WERE CONCESSIONS THAT ALLOWED VENDORS TO LEASE OR
12:12:22 TAKE OVER SPACE THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CITY TO COOK AND
12:12:28 PRODUCE FOOD AND SELL FOOD.
12:12:30 IT LOOKS TO ME FROM THE MAPS THAT THE ONLY SPACE THAT THIS
12:12:34 VENDOR IS LOOKING FOR IS TO PUT TABLES.
12:12:37 SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT IN THE
12:12:40 CITY WHERE IT SEEMS MORE LIKE -- SOME OF THE OUTDOOR
12:12:47 RESTAURANTS ALLOW -- I THINK THE CITY ALLOWS TABLES AND
12:12:51 CHAIRS ON SIDEWALKS OR OTHER PUBLIC SPACES.
12:12:54 SO IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY ARE
12:12:57 NOT ASKING TO PUT A QUESTION OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THE PUBLIC
12:13:01 RIGHT-OF-WAY.
12:13:02 IT'S THE TABLES AND CHAIRS.
12:13:06 >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
12:13:10 IT IS NOT -- MR. DINGFELDER, IT IS NOT TOO LATE.
12:13:13 FORTUNATELY, THE TRAIN HAS NOT LEFT THE STATION YET.
12:13:19 WE CAN REDESIGN IT.
12:13:20 MY ARCHITECT I HIRED WILL PAY FOR IT.
12:13:23 WE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:13:27 THEY DID NOT KNOW IT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY.
12:13:30 THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT.
12:13:33 THEY WERE TOLD BY MR. ROSNER THAT MY BUILDING IS COMING
12:13:36 DOWN.
12:13:37 IT'S AN OLD BUILDING.
12:13:38 IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
12:13:40 I WANT TO MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKED 100 YEARS AGO.
12:13:45 IT WILL BE AN AMENITY TO THE COMMUNITY.
12:13:47 I AND MY ATTORNEY, RICHARD McINTIRE, MET WITH MR. ROSNER
12:13:56 ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
12:13:57 MR. McINTIRE HANDED TO MR. ROSNER HIS BUSINESS CARD, AND
12:14:03 MR. ROSNER TO LET US KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE PARK.
12:14:08 HE DID NOT LET US KNOW.
12:14:10 I HAD NO IDEA.
12:14:11 I AM 83 YEARS OLD AND I DON'T GET NOTIFICATIONS THAT GO ON
12:14:16 SOCIAL MEDIA.
12:14:17 I'M SORRY.
12:14:18 I DON'T KNOW TO GO ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
12:14:20 I WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE HAD I KNOWN.
12:14:23 THE LADY HE MENTIONED IS NOT MY REPRESENTATIVE.
12:14:27 SHE WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF.
12:14:31 THE ONLY REPRESENTATIVE IS MY LAWYER, McINTIRE AND I.
12:14:36 NEITHER OF US RECEIVED NOTICE EVEN THOUGH WE SPOKE WITH
12:14:41 MR. ROSNER -- MR. McINTIRE HANDED HIM HIS BUSINESS CARD.
12:14:48 I CALLED MR. ROSNER AND SAID THE LOCATION AND DID NOT GET A
12:14:52 RETURN CALL.
12:14:52 ON ONE OCCASION, I CAUGHT HIM, WE TALKED ABOUT CERTAIN
12:14:57 THINGS.
12:14:57 I ASKED HIM WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SURVEY YOU PROMISED ME.
12:15:01 HE SAID I DON'T HAVE IT YET.
12:15:03 WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PARK?
12:15:05 NOTHING YET.
12:15:05 AND HE NEVER CALLED ME BACK.
12:15:07 MY ARCHITECT WILL DO THE WORK AND MOVE THE DOG PARK TO THE
12:15:17 SIDE AND PUT THE TABLES NEXT TO THE RESTAURANT.
12:15:20 AND MY BUILDING IS NOT COMING DOWN.
12:15:22 THE DEVELOPER FROM OUT OF TOWN WANTS THE BUILDING DOWN SO HE
12:15:27 CAN PUT A BIG HIGH-RISE THERE.
12:15:29 MY BUILDING IS STAYING AND IT WILL BE AN AMENITY TO THE
12:15:33 COMMUNITY.
12:15:33 WE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:15:35 THEY SAID WE WOULD LOVE IT.
12:15:37 WE DID NOT KNOW THAT THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY TO DO IT.
12:15:41 THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT IT.
12:15:43 I ASK YOUR HELP.
12:15:48 YOU HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT THE ARCHITECT PREPARED WHAT IT
12:15:52 WOULD LOOK LIKE.
12:15:54 HELP ME PRESERVE AN OLD BUILDING FOR MYSELF, THE SELF OF
12:15:58 TAMPA, FOR THE SELF OF THE COMMUNITY.
12:16:01 AND I DO HAVE THE FINAL THING IN PLACE TO DO THE PROJECT.
12:16:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
12:16:09 YOU'RE YOUNG 83 YEARS OLD.
12:16:10 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:16:11 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THE SPEAKER COULD STATE HER
12:16:14 NAME FOR THE RECORD.
12:16:16 >> MY NAME IS MALKA ISAAK.
12:16:20 SHOULD I SPELL IT?
12:16:22 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:16:22 >> IF YOU WOULD, THANK YOU.
12:16:25 >> M LIKE IN MOTHER, A LIKE IN APPLE, L LIKE IN LULLABY, K
12:16:27 LIKE IN KANGAROO, A LIKE IN APPLE.
12:16:34 MALKA.
12:16:34 ISAAK.
12:16:36 I, S LIKE IN SAMUEL, A LIKE IN APPLE, A LIKE IN APPLE, K
12:16:40 LIKE IN KANGAROO.
12:16:46 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
12:16:47 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:16:47 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU JUST HEARD A NEW HIP-HOP SONG.
12:16:47 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:16:47 AMAZING WHAT YOU LEARN HERE.
12:16:47 >> I HAVE BEEN IN TAMPA SINCE 1968.
12:16:57 AND THE UNITED STATES SINCE 1960.
12:17:01 MY ACCENT, I AM FROM ISRAEL, JERUSALEM, THE HOLY CITY.
12:17:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD HAVE NEVER NOTICED.
12:17:10 >> THANK YOU.
12:17:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [SPEAKING SPANISH]
12:17:17 GRACIAS.
12:17:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ROSNER, CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON
12:17:24 THIS?
12:17:24 WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER?
12:17:26 NOVEMBER 14 OR DECEMBER 12?
12:17:28 >>ROB ROSNER: UPDATE ON CHANGE TO THE PLANS?
12:17:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
12:17:31 >>ROB ROSNER: PROBABLY FAIR TO DO THE DECEMBER 12th
12:17:34 BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TO INFORM THE TEAM OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
12:17:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROSNER.
12:17:41 >>ROB ROSNER: THANK YOU.
12:17:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A
12:17:53 MOTION?
12:17:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKE A MOTION ON WHAT I HEARD HERE
12:17:55 RECENTLY, THAT MR. ROSNER COME BACK ON THE 12th OF
12:17:58 DECEMBER OF THE YEAR 2019 TO PRESENT THE POSSIBILITY OF
12:18:02 CHANGING THE -- REARRANGING THE DOG PARK AT MASSEY PARK.
12:18:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:18:09 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:18:11 ANY DISCUSSION?
12:18:11 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:18:13 ALL OPPOSED?
12:18:14 MOTION CARRIES.
12:18:16 ARE WE ALL FINISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:18:22 THANK YOU.
12:18:22 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6.
12:18:23 >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:18:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION DULY MADE AND SECONDED BY
12:18:46 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:18:49 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:18:50 ITEM NUMBER 7.
12:18:54 >> [INAUDIBLE]
12:18:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN
12:18:57 DINGFELDER.
12:18:58 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, WAS IT?
12:19:00 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:19:02 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:19:03 ITEM NUMBER 8.
12:19:06 >> SO MOVED.
12:19:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:19:11 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:19:16 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:19:17 OPPOSED?
12:19:18 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
12:19:23 >> SO MOVED.
12:19:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:19:27 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:19:29 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:19:30 AGENDA NUMBER 10.
12:19:34 >> SO MOVED.
12:19:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:19:37 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:19:39 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:19:39 NUMBER 11.
12:19:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A QUESTION ON NUMBER 11,
12:19:47 MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:19:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:19:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YBOR STAFF -- IS COURTNEY STILL HERE?
12:19:54 MICHELLE, MAYBE YOU KNOW.
12:19:58 SO THIS ITEM HAS A LIST OF ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX,
12:20:03 SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE FOLKS TO INCLUDE -- IT SAYS RATIFY THE
12:20:08 APPOINTMENT OF THE APPLICANTS FOR A TWO-YEAR TERM.
12:20:12 IS THAT -- ARE OTHER FOLKS ROTATING OFF BY NATURAL
12:20:17 ATTRITION?
12:20:19 IS THIS A CLEAN SWEEP?
12:20:21 WHAT'S GOING ON?
12:20:23 THAT'S A LOT OF FOLKS AT ONE TIME.
12:20:26 >> THEIR BOARD GENERALLY IS ABOUT 21.
12:20:28 I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT IT'S IN THE
12:20:31 20s, 21, 25.
12:20:32 IT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
12:20:34 SO WITH TWO-YEAR TERMS, YOU GET A NATURAL ROTATION EVERY
12:20:38 YEAR OF SOME PART OF THAT BOARD.
12:20:40 SOMETIMES YOU GET A CHANGE FOR THEIR EX OFFICIOS, THAT THEY
12:20:44 GET A NEW DESIGNATION.
12:20:45 SOME PEOPLE JUST ARE NO LONGER CONTINUING, AND SOME ARE TERM
12:20:49 LIMITED OFF.
12:20:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE HAVE
12:20:53 CONTINUITY.
12:20:54 THERE'S ANOTHER TEN OR MORE FOLKS STAYING ON AND KNOW WHAT'S
12:20:57 GOING ON.
12:20:58 >> YES.
12:20:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE A CLEAN SWEEP WITH
12:21:01 NOBODY KNOWING WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING.
12:21:03 >> THEY ARE THE LARGEST CAC WE HAVE.
12:21:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:21:05 I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT, MR. CHAIR.
12:21:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:21:15 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:21:16 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:21:17 THE MOTION PASSES.
12:21:20 INFORMATION AND REPORTS, LET'S START WITH COUNCILMAN
12:21:23 DINGFELDER.
12:21:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTHING TODAY.
12:21:28 GREAT PRESENTATION BY MR. BENNETT AND ALL THE STAFF.
12:21:32 THANK YOU.
12:21:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:21:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD CONCUR WITH MR. BENNETT, HIS
12:21:39 LEADERSHIP.
12:21:39 KIND OF STARTED SOMETHING HERE, GETTING MORE INFORMATION,
12:21:42 DETAILED INFORMATION.
12:21:43 SOMETHING THAT I'M KIND OF USED TO WITH PRESENTATIONS AND
12:21:47 UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON.
12:21:48 CAN WE MAKE MOTIONS NOW?
12:21:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS THE TIME.
12:22:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAD A PREVIOUS MOTION MADE
12:22:02 AT THE LAST CRA MEETING REFERENCING THE ENVIRONMENTAL POND
12:22:05 AND THE DETAIL THAT I WANTED AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT OF THE
12:22:08 ENVIRONMENTAL POND OR RETENTION POND AT 26th STREET --
12:22:11 22nd STREET AND 26th AVENUE TO 26th STREET.
12:22:17 I WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION TO HAVE IT COME BACK ON
12:22:19 NOVEMBER 14th WITH A DETAILED REPORT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL
12:22:24 POND WITH JEAN DUNCAN MAKING THAT PRESENTATION.
12:22:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN
12:22:31 GUDES.
12:22:31 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:22:34 ANY DISCUSSION?
12:22:35 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:22:36 OPPOSED?
12:22:37 MOTION CARRIES.
12:22:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SINCE WE ARE HERE AT THE CRA BOARD AND IT
12:22:43 IS OUR OPTION TO GO FORWARD WITH ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE TO GO
12:22:47 AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT TO BE
12:22:49 COMPLETED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH
12:22:52 ED JOHNSON IN REGARDS TO A PLAN FOR RENOVATION AT FAIR OAKS
12:22:56 PARK OR REBUILD OF THAT PARTICULAR PARK.
12:22:59 I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS REPORT TO BE PRESENTED AT THE
12:23:01 DECEMBER 14 REGULAR SESSION MEETING.
12:23:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M DELIBERATING ON THAT AND TRYING TO
12:23:15 FIGURE OUT IF CRA OR CITY OF TAMPA.
12:23:17 WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:23:22 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:23:25 ANY DISCUSSION?
12:23:26 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:23:27 ANY OPPOSED?
12:23:28 MOTION CARRIES.
12:23:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LAST AND NOT LEAST, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU
12:23:34 KNOW, WE'VE GONE ROUND AND ROUND.
12:23:36 WE'VE HAD SEVERAL SUPPORT, AS REFERENCED TO THE AL BARNES
12:23:41 PARK CULTURAL ENRICHMENT CENTER.
12:23:44 WE'VE HAD CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE COUNTY.
12:23:46 THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND SOME OF OUR OTHER LEGISLATORS
12:23:48 HAVE COME ON BOARD WHO WANT TO HELP OUT WITH THIS PROJECT.
12:23:53 THE GENERAL FUND HAS ALREADY COMMITTED $1 MILLION TO THIS
12:23:56 PROJECT.
12:23:57 THE CAC BOARD DID MEET.
12:23:59 THERE WAS A MEETING.
12:24:00 THE CHAIR WAS ASKED TO COME AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
12:24:02 THAT PRESENTATION WAS MADE THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO BE ON
12:24:06 BOARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
12:24:07 AT THIS TIME, I'M ASKING THAT THE CRA BOARD MAKE THAT
12:24:10 COMMITMENT OF $1 MILLION TO THE AL BARNES PARK FOR THE
12:24:13 ENRICHMENT CENTER.
12:24:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
12:24:19 >> WE STILL NEED A MOTION TO VERIFY.
12:24:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:24:24 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:24:26 ANY DISCUSSION?
12:24:27 ANY DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
12:24:30 NO?
12:24:32 YOUR VOTE IS?
12:24:34 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:24:37 ANY OPPOSED?
12:24:39 MOTION CARRIES.
12:24:42 ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
12:24:51 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:24:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
12:24:53 >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING, SIR.
12:24:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:24:57 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT IN THE TAMPA BAY TIMES THIS
12:25:01 MORNING ABOUT BASEBALL WARNS OAKLAND DROP SUIT OR ELSE. I
12:25:05 DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CRA OR NOT.
12:25:06 BUT AT THE END, IT SAYS, REBECCA CAPLAN, THE CITY COUNCIL --
12:25:12 RECENTLY RELEASED A STATEMENT, READS IN PART, IN THE
12:25:14 INTEREST OF REDUCING STRIFE AND LITIGATION, OAKLAND CITY
12:25:14 COUNCIL -- TO MEET DIRECTLY WITH THE COUNTY LEADERS
12:25:20 REGARDING STRATEGIES TO RESOLVE PROBLEMS REGARDING OUR
12:25:23 SHARED PUBLIC PROPERTY.
12:25:24 MY QUESTION TO MYSELF IS, HOW CAN PUBLIC PROPERTY BE SHARED?
12:25:28 THAT'S ALL.
12:25:31 SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
12:25:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:25:37 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:25:40 >>BILL CARLSON: TO FAIR OAKS PARK THAT WE TALKED TO A MINUTE
12:25:43 AGO, SEVERAL FOLKS HAVE MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE RATS IN THE
12:25:48 BUILDING.
12:25:48 I GUESS WE CAN INCLUDE THIS UNDER CRA.
12:25:50 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHY
12:25:54 THERE ARE RATS AND HOW WE GET RID OF IT.
12:25:57 SHOULD WE USE CRA MONEY TO GET RID OF THEM AND HIRE AN
12:26:00 EXTERMINATOR?
12:26:01 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE SHOULD DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE
12:26:04 THERE'S NO INFESTATION IN FAIR OAKS.
12:26:08 >>BILL CARLSON: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION SEPARATE, STAFF
12:26:11 COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING, NOVEMBER 14, JUST TO GIVE AN
12:26:15 UPDATE ON THE RAT SITUATION AT FAIR OAKS PARK.
12:26:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION DULY MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
12:26:21 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:26:23 IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
12:26:24 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION TO THAT
12:26:27 MOTION?
12:26:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, SIR.
12:26:28 THANK YOU.
12:26:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
12:26:31 ANY OPPOSED?
12:26:31 MOTION CARRIES.
12:26:33 >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING, SIMILAR TO COUNCILMAN
12:26:36 GUDES, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CHIEF BENNETT AND THE
12:26:39 STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US.
12:26:41 I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF EXPECTATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS IN THE
12:26:44 BEGINNING, I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO GETTING TO THE
12:26:46 SMOOTH PART, HOPEFULLY.
12:26:49 AS WE GET THROUGH THE PLAN AND EVERYTHING, I THINK WE'LL ALL
12:26:52 FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE AND BE ON THE SAME PAGE.
12:26:54 WE DON'T ALWAYS GREAT ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY.
12:26:57 THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND THANK YOU FOR CHANGING THE
12:27:00 FORMAT OF PRESENTATIONS.
12:27:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
12:27:11 MS. VAN LOAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND ALL THE OTHER CRA, CAC
12:27:15 MEMBERS.
12:27:16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION TODAY.
12:27:19 WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
12:27:21 WE WILL SEE YOU IN THE FUTURE ON THE 28th.
12:27:27 LET'S BE READY FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
12:27:29 MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:27:30 WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 6:00 -- MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:27:39 I GOT A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:27:43 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:27:45 ALL IN FAVOR?
12:27:46 ANY OPPOSED.
12:27:49 WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 6:00 THIS EVENING.
12:27:53 HOWEVER, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP RIGHT NOW.
12:28:01 >> ACTUALLY, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE WITH YOUR WORKSHOP
12:28:04 HALF AN HOUR AGO, IN THE BEST OF TIMES.
12:28:06 THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF ALTERNATIVES
12:28:08 THAT YOU FACE.
12:28:09 FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH
12:28:12 WITH SEVERAL ATTORNEYS FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHO WANTED
12:28:14 TO PARTICIPATE, BUT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN RUNNING INTO THE
12:28:16 AFTERNOON, THEY DO HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR THE
12:28:18 AFTERNOON.
12:28:18 YOU ALSO DO HAVE A LENGTHY MEETING THAT BEGINS AT 6:00
12:28:22 TONIGHT.
12:28:23 I'M VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT.
12:28:25 YOU'RE WELL INTO THE LUNCH HOUR AS IT IS.
12:28:28 YOUR OPTIONS ARE TO REMOVE THE WORKSHOP AND JUST HAVE IT
12:28:30 RESCHEDULED OR THAT BEING THE CASE, SUGGESTION HAD BEEN MADE
12:28:34 TO ME, I'LL PASS IT ON TO YOU, IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO DO
12:28:37 IT TOMORROW MORNING BETWEEN 9 AND 11 OR 10 AND 12 OR MONDAY
12:28:42 MORNING, THEN WE CAN.
12:28:44 BUT IN THE MEANTIME --
12:28:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS BOARD?
12:28:48 SHALL WE KEEP THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED WORKSHOP, WHICH
12:28:55 IS -- CAN'T DO THAT EITHER.
12:28:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR.
12:28:58 THIS INDICATES TO ME IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT A TIME CERTAIN.
12:29:02 CERTAINLY, YOUR MEETING TODAY WAS OF SUBSTANCE AND OF
12:29:06 IMPORTANCE.
12:29:07 YOU DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE ANYTHING SHORT SHRIFT AND CERTAINLY,
12:29:11 FRANKLY, COUNCIL, THIS IS BEING DONE FOR YOUR BENEFIT
12:29:15 PRIMARILY, AND IF YOU ARE HUNGRY, TIRED, OR HAVE OTHER
12:29:19 PLANS, IT DOESN'T SERVE ANYBODY TO HAVE THIS MEETING UNTIL
12:29:23 SUCH TIME AS YOU'RE READY.
12:29:25 YOUR PLEASURE, COUNCIL.
12:29:27 >> I THINK WE NEED TO RESET IT BUT NOT A TIME CERTAIN BUT
12:29:31 REALISTIC TIME CERTAIN.
12:29:32 WHEN I SAW 10 A.M., I WAS LIKE THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
12:29:35 YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
12:29:36 I CAN'T DO TOMORROW OR MONDAY.
12:29:38 I WOULD SUGGEST WE SET IT AT A REALISTIC TIME CERTAIN.
12:29:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US SOME DATES AT
12:29:46 TONIGHT'S MEETING?
12:29:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
12:29:48 GREAT SUGGESTION.
12:29:50 I GUESS WE'LL JUST POST NOTICE THAT I DON'T THINK -- IS
12:29:55 THERE ANYTHING FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO
12:29:57 REMOVE THAT OR JUST -- IT WAS SCHEDULED TO START AT 10:00.
12:30:02 YOU'RE NOT IN SESSION NOW, COUNCIL IS NOT.
12:30:04 I SUSPECT WE'LL PUT A NOTE THAT IT WAS CANCELED.
12:30:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
12:30:10 BOARD?
12:30:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
12:30:12 EXCUSE ME.
12:30:14 THANK YOU, CRA.
12:30:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 6:00.
12:30:25 [ADJOURNED]
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