TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2019
6:00 P.M.
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06:04:15 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
06:04:16 >>LUIS VIERA: CITY COUNCIL IS IN SESSION.
06:04:17 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
06:04:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
06:04:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
06:04:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
06:04:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
06:04:26 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
06:04:29 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
06:04:29 SOME HOUSEKEEPING.
06:04:30 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER INDICATED HE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE
06:04:33 LATE BECAUSE OF A FAMILY OBLIGATION SO HE WILL BE WITH US
06:04:36 SHORTLY.
06:04:37 BEFORE I WAS TOLD BY ONE OF THE PARTIES ON 7 AND 8 THAT
06:04:41 THEY HAVE TO BE OUT OF HERE IN 30 MINUTES, SO I AM GOING
06:04:44 TO IF I MAY MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 8 TO GO FIRST, PLEASE.
06:04:48 IT'S DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE LONG.
06:04:53 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN?
06:04:55 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:04:56 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:04:58 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:05:00 ANY OPPOSED?
06:05:01 NOW IF ANYONE IS GOING TO BE TESTIFYING IN ANY OF THESE
06:05:04 ITEMS, PLEASE, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SO, STAND UP, RAISE
06:05:07 YOUR RIGHT HAND AND PLEASE BE PREPARED TO BE SWORN IN.
06:05:10 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
06:05:12 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: ITEM NUMBER 7 IS A REZONING
06:05:25 APPLICATION THAT HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH FIRST READING.
06:05:28 THIS IS THE SECOND READING.
06:05:29 ALL REQUIRED CHANGES HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON THE SITE PLAN
06:05:33 AND AT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
06:05:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS NUMBER 7.
06:05:38 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, DID YOU WANT TO --
06:05:41 >>BILL CARLSON: OH, YEAH.
06:05:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT ON THE RECORD.
06:06:01 >>BILL CARLSON: MY COMPANY -- THIS IS SOMEBODY IN THE
06:06:05 NEARBY VICINITY.
06:06:05 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT APPLIES TO BOTH 7 AND 8.
06:06:09 AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS SECOND READING AND ADOPTION
06:06:13 SO THAT WILL BE, I GUESS, A ROLL CALL VOTE.
06:06:16 >> IS THE MACHINE SET UP FOR TONIGHT?
06:06:26 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
06:06:26 LET'S PROCEED.
06:06:27 NUMBER 7, IF WE MAY.
06:06:31 NUMBER 7?
06:06:32 ANYONE HERE FOR NUMBER 7?
06:06:33 >> TODD PRESSMAN, 2nd AVENUE, ST. PETE.
06:06:43 WE HAVE WORKED WITH NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE ALLEVIATED ALL
06:06:45 THOSE ISSUES.
06:06:46 MR. MICHELINI IS HERE.
06:06:53 WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WOULD ASK YOU TO
06:06:57 CONSIDER MOVING IT FORWARD.
06:06:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
06:06:59 ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
06:07:00 THERE BEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO
06:07:03 COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 7?
06:07:04 IF SO, PLEASE MOVE FORWARD.
06:07:05 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:07:08 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:07:11 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:07:12 OPPOSED?
06:07:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE NUMBER PA 18-11.
06:07:23 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
06:07:25 ADOPTION.
06:07:26 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
06:07:28 FUTURE LAND USE MAP, FOR THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED
06:07:31 AT 7001 ROWLETT PARK DRIVE FROM LIGHT RESIDENTIAL LI TO
06:07:38 RESIDENTIAL 10 R-10 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
06:07:41 ORDINANCES IN CON PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE PROVIDING
06:07:43 FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
06:07:45 >>LUIS VIERA: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:07:48 ROLL CALL.
06:07:48 >>THE CLERK: ROLL CALL VOTE.
06:07:52 DINGFELDER ABSENT AT VOTE.
06:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
06:07:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
06:07:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AYE.
06:07:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
06:08:02 >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON ABSTAINING.
06:08:06 >>LUIS VIERA: YAY.
06:08:08 >>THE CLERK: MOTION PASSED WITH DINGFELDER ABSENT AT
06:08:16 VOTE AND CARLSON ABSTAINING.
06:08:19 >>LUIS VIERA: ITEM NUMBER 8.
06:08:21 MR. PRESSMAN AGAIN.
06:08:28 THANK YOU, SIR.
06:08:28 ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
06:08:30 THERE BEING NONE, IS THERE ANYONE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON
06:08:32 ITEM NUMBER 8?
06:08:34 MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:08:36 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:08:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:08:38 ANY OPPOSED?
06:08:39 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, NUMBER 8.
06:08:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
06:08:44 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
06:08:46 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 7001 ROWLETT PARK
06:08:51 DRIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
06:08:53 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
06:08:54 CLASSIFICATION IG INDUSTRIAL GENERAL TO PD PLANNED
06:08:58 DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, WAREHOUSE AND
06:09:03 WHOLESALE TRADE, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
06:09:07 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
06:09:08 >>LUIS VIERA: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:09:09 ROLL CALL VOTE.
06:09:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
06:09:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
06:09:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
06:09:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
06:09:18 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER ABSENT
06:09:21 AT VOTE AND CARLSON ABSTAINING.
06:09:24 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:09:26 NEXT WE MOVE ONWARD TO ITEM NUMBER 1.
06:09:36 ITEM 1 IS REZ 19-67 FOR DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY
06:09:41 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
06:09:42 THIS IS A CONTINUED ITEM.
06:09:44 IT WAS ORIGINALLY HEARD AT YOUR EVENING HEARING ON
06:09:47 OCTOBER 10th.
06:09:49 AT THAT HEARING, IT WAS -- STAFF MEMBERS, NATURAL
06:09:54 RESOURCES WEREN'T PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
06:09:57 THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
06:09:58 I WILL INTRODUCE KATHY BECK AND I HAVE A REVISED STAFF
06:10:02 REPORT THAT CLARIFIES THE RODE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE
06:10:06 REMOVAL.
06:10:06 >>JODY BECK: NATURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR.
06:10:26 I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE SUBJECT
06:10:28 REZONING BUT WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION
06:10:34 COMMENTS FROM NATURAL RESOURCES, SPECIFICALLY NATURAL
06:10:36 RESOURCES FINDS THE SITE PLAN CONSISTENT WITH THE
06:10:39 FOLLOWING CORRECTIONS.
06:10:41 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I'M SORRY.
06:10:42 JUST IF YOU DON'T MIND FOR A SECOND. THIS IS THE ONE
06:10:45 THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WANTED TO --
06:10:48 >> YES, SIR.
06:10:49 >>LUIS VIERA: COULD WE CONTINUE THIS UNTIL WE FIND OUT
06:10:51 WHEN COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS COMING?
06:10:54 >> ABSOLUTELY.
06:10:55 >>LUIS VIERA: AS A COURTESY TO HIM.
06:11:00 BRANDON, IF YOU ARE WATCHING THIS, IF YOU COULD ASK
06:11:02 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WHEN -- I'LL TAKE THAT UP.
06:11:06 SO LET'S CONTINUE IT AS A COURTESY TO COUNCILMAN
06:11:09 DINGFELDER SINCE HE ASKED.
06:11:10 WE'LL WAIT.
06:11:12 THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.
06:11:13 SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
06:11:21 I'M SORRY.
06:11:22 ITEM NUMBER 3.
06:11:39 >>LACHONE DOCK: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
06:11:41 COORDINATION.
06:11:42 COUNCIL, ITEM NUMBER 3 AND 4 ARE FOR THE SAME PROPERTY,
06:11:47 AND THEY HAVE THE SAME APPLICANT.
06:11:49 ITEM 4 IS THE REZONING PETITION, AND ITEM 3 IS A SPECIAL
06:11:54 USE APPLICATION FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
06:11:56 STAFF CAN OPEN BOTH ITEMS TOGETHER AND BOTH ITEMS BE
06:12:01 HEARD TOGETHER F.COUNCIL SO DESIRES TO DO IT IN THAT
06:12:04 ORDER, IT'S JUST UNDER THE CONDITION THAT COUNCIL MUST
06:12:08 VOTE ON THE REZONING FIRST, AND THEN THE ALCOHOL CAN BE
06:12:11 VOTED UPON SECOND.
06:12:12 BUT WE CAN OPEN THEM AND DISCUSS THEM TOGETHER.
06:12:15 AND WE'LL HAVE STAFF PRESENT THE REZONING FIRST, AND THEN
06:12:18 I WILL COME UP AND PRESENT THE ALCOHOL FOR YOU IF THAT IS
06:12:21 COUNCIL'S DESIRE.
06:12:22 I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT.
06:12:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, IF I MAY, YOU JUST RECEIVED
06:12:28 THE SITE PLAN WITH THE ALCOHOL.
06:12:30 SO IF YOU COULD PUT THAT ASIDE I AM HANDING OUT THE
06:12:33 REZONING THAT'S GOING TO BE HEARD FIRST.
06:12:36 >>LACHONE DOCK: IF YOU WANT TO OPEN BOTH 3 AND 4.
06:12:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE BOTH OPEN.
06:12:48 >>LACHONE DOCK: AND THE REZONING FIRST.
06:12:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, AGAIN JUST FOR YOUR
06:12:54 INFORMATION, I AM PASSING OUT THE MOTION THAT WOULD BE
06:12:56 THE SAMPLE MOTIONS RELATED TO REZONING.
06:13:09 AND ONE FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
06:13:10 >>JENNIFER MALONE: PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
06:13:23 I WILL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
06:13:25 PRESENTATION ON ITEM 4, THE REZONING, IF YOU ARE READY.
06:13:29 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
06:13:30 >>JENNIFER MALONE: THIS IS LOCATED ON 30th STREET.
06:13:36 WE HAVE ACROSS THE STREET, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND
06:13:40 INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND FOWLER AVENUE LOCATED TO
06:13:43 THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND IT IS A VERY LARGE
06:13:45 PARCEL.
06:13:46 THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS HEAVY
06:13:50 INDUSTRIAL.
06:13:50 THAT'S THE ALMOST BLACK COLOR ON THE ADOPTIVE FUTURE LAND
06:13:56 USE MAP, WITHIN THE TAMPA INDUSTRIAL PARK SO A LOT OF THE
06:13:59 AREA IS INDUSTRIAL.
06:14:01 WE ALSO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL 10 ACROSS THE STREET,
06:14:04 COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 ALONG THAT NORTH 30th STREET
06:14:07 CORRIDOR.
06:14:09 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF DID FIND THIS CONSISTENT.
06:14:11 WE DO, AS THE PLAN RECOGNIZES INDUSTRIAL AREAS AS KEY
06:14:16 ECONOMIC ENGINES, THAT THE PLAN ALSO STATES THAT
06:14:20 ACCESSORY USES TO INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES ARE AN ASSET TO
06:14:26 THE FACILITY.
06:14:27 AND WE DID FIND THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA PLAN
06:14:35 POLICY.
06:14:35 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
06:14:37 THANK YOU.
06:14:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
06:14:38 ANY QUESTIONS?
06:14:39 THANK YOU.
06:14:39 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
06:14:43 COORDINATION.
06:14:47 JENNIFER SHOWED YOU A COPY OF THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH.
06:14:52 OF THIS PROPERTY ON 30th STREET.
06:14:59 HERE IS THE ZONING MAP OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
06:15:06 AS YOU CAN SORT OF SEE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED
06:15:08 HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
06:15:10 COMMERCIAL GENERAL PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF 30th STREET
06:15:13 AND THEN SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD FURTHER TO THE WEST IN
06:15:19 RM 34.
06:15:20 THIS LOT, IF YOU WILL, OF DEVELOPMENT IS PRIMARILY HEAVY
06:15:24 INDUSTRIAL.
06:15:25 THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
06:15:30 THE ENTIRE SITE AGAIN, THIS IS THE YUENGLING SITE, 1111
06:15:37 30th STREET, CURRENTLY A LITTLE OVER 43 ACRES AND
06:15:42 THEY ARE PROPOSING RETAINING THE EXISTING HEAVY
06:15:46 MANUFACTURING USE FOR THE YUENGLING STAFF, THAT IS
06:15:53 APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER 400,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN
06:15:53 THEY ARE DEMOLISHING ABOUT 7,000 SQUARE FEET ON SITE, AND
06:15:59 THERE'S PARKING AND A LARGE FIELD.
06:16:02 THEY ARE PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR NEW BUILDINGS
06:16:05 TOTALING 187,700 SQUARE FEET.
06:16:09 THE BUILDINGS ARE BROKEN OUT.
06:16:18 THIS WILL BE BUILDING ONE, 7,000 SQUARE FEET, FACILITY
06:16:24 AND MUSEUM AND GIFT SHOP.
06:16:26 BUILDING NUMBER 2 WILL BE A BAR AND LOUNGE AND A BEER
06:16:28 GARDEN OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
06:16:31 BUILDING 3 WILL BE A RESTAURANT, CONFERENCE MEETING ROOM,
06:16:39 AS WELL AS TO THE FOURTH BUILDING WHICH IS A HOTEL WITH
06:16:45 APPROXIMATELY 200 ROOMS, UNDER 40,000 SQUARE FEET IN
06:16:50 TOTAL.
06:16:51 THEN THEY ARE ADDING A MICROBREWERY COMPONENT TO THE
06:16:54 EXISTING YUENGLING PLANT.
06:16:56 BASED ON THE COMBINATION OF USES, THEY ARE REQUIRING A
06:17:01 TOTAL OF 519 PARKING SPACES BUT PROVIDING 586.
06:17:06 ALL OF THE PARKING WILL BE SURFACE EITHER TO THE NORTH OF
06:17:09 THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS TO THE SOUTH.
06:17:12 THEY ARE KEEPING ON-SITE RETENTION ON GRADE.
06:17:19 THE ALLOWABLE F.A.R. SHOWS 1.5.
06:17:23 THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS THE .3 SO THEY ARE WELL
06:17:26 UNDER THEIR ALLOWABLE ENTITLEMENT FOR THE SITE.
06:17:28 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROTECTED TREES AS WELL AS GRAND
06:17:33 TREES ON-SITE.
06:17:35 THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF AND NATURAL RESOURCES
06:17:39 DEPARTMENT TO PROTECT THE MAJORITY OF THESE TREES.
06:17:44 THERE ARE NO WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS PD
06:17:48 APPLICATION.
06:17:50 THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PD IS THERE'S NOT
06:17:52 A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE IN AN
06:17:56 INDUSTRIAL LAND USE CATEGORY THAT WOULD ALLOW ALL THE
06:17:59 USES.
06:17:59 SO IN ORDER TO FACILITATE ALL THE PROPOSED USES, THEY ARE
06:18:03 CREATING THEIR OWN ZONING DISTRICT IN THE PLANNED
06:18:05 DEVELOPMENT.
06:18:13 THE REASON THEY ARE DOING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS
06:18:15 BECAUSE THERE IS NOT AN EXISTING STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT
06:18:18 THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ALL OF THEIR USES.
06:18:21 THERE'S NOT ONE THAT ALLOWS ALL THE USES, HEAVY
06:18:26 MANUFACTURING AS WELL AS A RESTAURANT, RETAIL SALES,
06:18:33 FACILITY, MICROBREWERY.
06:18:35 SO THERE'S NOT ONE THAT I CAN POINT TO INCLUDING
06:18:39 REZONING.
06:18:40 AS A RESULT THEY ARE ASKING FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
06:18:45 THERE ARE SMALL CHANGES FROM FIRST AND SECOND READING
06:18:47 FROM PLANNING DESIGN AND COORDINATION, AS WELL AS SOME
06:18:53 MINOR CHANGES, AND NATURAL RESOURCES AGAIN HAS SOME MINOR
06:18:56 CHANGES FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE PD AT THE FAMILY SITE
06:19:00 BUT OVERALL THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF
06:19:03 DID FIND THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND
06:19:05 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
06:19:08 IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION,
06:19:10 PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THERE IS --
06:19:16 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU. A QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN
06:19:18 MIRANDA.
06:19:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ON THE STAFF REPORT, PAGE 9, THERE
06:19:22 WAS SOMETHING I REMEMBER READING THAT SPOKE ABOUT SITE
06:19:26 PLAN SUBMITTED THAT DOES NOT CONTAIN A NOTE PROVIDING THE
06:19:31 WHOLE KITCHEN AND ALL USES AND THAT WAS PART OF THE
06:19:34 REQUEST, SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ALCOHOL OR SOMETHING?
06:19:39 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: THAT'S THE ALCOHOL.
06:19:40 STAFF REPORT, SIR?
06:19:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM JUST READING.
06:19:44 MAYBE IT'S ALL MIXED IN TOGETHER.
06:19:50 IT'S NOT ON THE SITE PLAN.
06:19:51 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: OKAY.
06:19:53 I THINK --
06:19:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE IT'S NOT ON THE SITE PLAN.
06:19:57 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: I THINK THAT INFORMATION ISN'T ON THE
06:19:59 REZONING.
06:20:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL LET THE PETITIONER.
06:20:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:20:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
06:20:06 ANY QUESTIONS?
06:20:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:20:08 >>LACHONE DOCK: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
06:20:14 COORDINATION, AND I WILL PRESENT THE ALCOHOL REQUEST FOR
06:20:17 YOU THIS EVENING.
06:20:19 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THE NOTE THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO
06:20:21 UNDER THE LARGE VENUE CRITERIA, IT REQUIRES THAT THE FULL
06:20:25 KITCHEN IS PROVIDED, OR THAT THE HOURS AS STATED.
06:20:29 AND THE APPLICANT HAS PUT --
06:20:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL ASK HIM THAT QUESTION.
06:20:34 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:20:34 >>LACHONE DOCK: OKAY.
06:20:37 AND COUNCIL, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS AB 2-19-20.
06:20:41 MARY HAS SHOWN THE AREA FOR THIS REQUEST, BUT THIS IS THE
06:20:49 PROPERTY THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN RED.
06:20:51 THIS IS 30th STREET.
06:20:52 ON 30th STREET IS A POINT OF REFERENCE, AND YOU CAN
06:20:56 SEE IT'S SURROUNDED WITH IG, IH INDUSTRIAL HEAVY AND
06:21:00 COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING ALONG 30th STREET.
06:21:04 SO THE REQUEST FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES IS FOR A
06:21:07 LARGE CONVENIENCE JEW FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND FOR
06:21:09 PACKAGE SALES CONSUMPTION OFF-PREMISES.
06:21:13 AND THE AREA WITHIN THE SITE PLAN FOR THE ALCOHOL
06:21:15 REQUEST, I HAVE KIND OF MARKED IT UP A LITTLE AND ZOOMED
06:21:20 IN ON IT, BUT THE AREA IS BROKEN INTO THREE AREAS ON THE
06:21:24 OVERALL SITE.
06:21:26 SO THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE SITE ITSELF.
06:21:29 AREA A IS THE EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS THE EXISTING
06:21:36 MAIN BREWERY BUILDING.
06:21:37 AREA B IS THE AREA OUTLINED IN ORANGE.
06:21:40 AREA C IS THE AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
06:21:43 SO THE ALCOHOL SALES REQUEST IS FOR 255,860 SQUARE FEET
06:21:52 IN AREA B. IN AREA B THE REQUEST IS FOR 548,309 SQUARE
06:21:57 FEET.
06:21:58 AREA C THE REQUEST IS FOR 175,794 SQUARE FEET.
06:22:06 AND THAT IS A TOTAL SALES AREA OF 979,966 SQUARE FEET
06:22:13 OVERALL.
06:22:13 THE SITE PLAN HAS NOTED THAT THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE
06:22:16 CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
06:22:19 THE SITE PLAN CONTAINS 'N AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SCHEDULE
06:22:22 WHICH LISTS THE USES ALLOWED WITHIN THE OVERALL SITE.
06:22:26 SO THE USES ARE COMMITTED -- THE USE WITHIN AREA A WILL
06:22:30 REMAIN THE SAME BECAUSE THAT OF COURSE IS THE EXISTING
06:22:33 MAIN BREWERY FACILITY.
06:22:34 BUT THESE AREAS IN AREA B AND AREA C, THE USES THAT ARE
06:22:40 LISTED IN THE A-B SCHEDULE ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CHANGE
06:22:43 THOSE USES IN THE FUTURE IF NEEDED BETWEEN THOSE
06:22:46 BUILDINGS.
06:22:46 SO THE USES THAT ARE REQUESTED UNDER THE ALCOHOLIC
06:22:49 BEVERAGE SALES REQUEST ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REZONING
06:22:51 REQUEST FOR HOTEL-MOTEL, RESTAURANT, RETAIL SALES WITH
06:22:57 SPECIALTY GADS, PRIVATE CULTURAL FACILITY, BAR-LOUNGE,
06:23:01 MICROBREWERY AND HEAVY MANUFACTURING USES.
06:23:05 THE SITE PLAN ALSO NOTATES THAT ALL PERMITS THAT ARE
06:23:09 ISSUED, SHOULD KEEP ON COPY THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE AND
06:23:16 ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN.
06:23:17 THERE ARE FOUR WAIVERS REQUESTED WITH THIS REQUEST.
06:23:20 THREE OF THE WAIVERS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH CHAPTER 27,
06:23:23 SECTION 132, SPECIAL USE CRITERIA. ONE IS TO REDUCE THE
06:23:28 DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL USES FROM 250 FEET
06:23:31 TO 100 FEET.
06:23:32 THE SECOND IS TO REDUCE THE SEPARATION FROM OTHER AB
06:23:36 ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THAT'S FROM 250 FEET TO 100 FEET.
06:23:39 THE OTHER IS TO ALLOW THE SALES AREA TO BE LOCATED IN A
06:23:43 PARKING LOT LOADING AREA.
06:23:46 THE FOURTH WAIVER IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY
06:23:49 SPECIAL EVENTS PER YEAR FROM 4 TO 12.
06:23:53 ALSO, COUNCIL, WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, ON PAGE 3 OF THE
06:23:56 REPORT, YOU WILL FIND THE STAFF FINDINGS FROM PLANNING
06:24:00 DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
06:24:03 WE HAVE REQUESTED CHANGES TO BE MADE ON THE SITE PLAN
06:24:06 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
06:24:08 THESE CHANGES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT, AND
06:24:10 THE APPLICANT DOES AGREE TO MAKE THE CHANGES REQUESTED.
06:24:18 YOU WILL FIND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, FINDING.
06:24:21 THEY HAVE A FINDING OF CONSISTENT.
06:24:22 AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED A COUPLE OF REVISIONS ON THE SITE
06:24:25 PLAN WITHIN A NOTE TO BE ADDED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
06:24:29 READING.
06:24:29 ALSO, YOU WILL FIND CODE SECTION 27-43, THE DEFINITION
06:24:33 SECTION FOR REFERENCE, IN CONSIDERATION.
06:24:38 WE HAVE INCLUDED ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS FOR ALL OF THE
06:24:41 SALES PROPOSED UNDER THE AB CLASSIFICATION REQUESTED.
06:24:46 AND WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT ALSO INCLUDED ARE THE GENERAL
06:24:49 STANDARDS AND THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA REGULATIONS
06:24:54 GOVERNING SPECIAL USES.
06:24:57 AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF THE SITE.
06:25:15 THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE.
06:25:16 THIS IS ON 30th STREET.
06:25:19 JUST THE VIEW OF THE SITE.
06:25:20 AND JUST TO GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY, THIS IS
06:25:24 THE ONLY BUILDING THAT IS BUILT CURRENTLY EVERYTHING ELSE
06:25:27 IS VACANT ON-SITE.
06:25:29 SO ALL OF THIS ALONG 30th IS VACANT CURRENTLY.
06:25:36 THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW.
06:25:37 THE NORTHEAST SIDE ALONG 30th STREET.
06:25:43 THAT'S THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ON 30th.
06:25:47 THAT'S THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
06:25:50 THE BUILDING IN BACK.
06:25:51 THE EXISTING BUILDING.
06:25:53 AND THIS IS TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY ON 30th
06:25:58 STREET.
06:25:59 THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
06:26:05 AND THE DIC STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REQUEST AND FINDS IT
06:26:09 INCONSISTENT WITH CITY OF TAMPA DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS,
06:26:12 AND THE CHANGES ARE REQUESTED TO BE MADE ON THE SITE PLAN
06:26:15 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
06:26:17 I HAVE A REVISED REVISION SHEET THAT I WOULD LIKE TO
06:26:19 SUBMIT INTO THE RECORD, AND IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE
06:26:22 APPLICANT, AND THE APPLICANT DOES AGREE AS I MENTIONED
06:26:25 EARLIER TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
06:26:28 READING.
06:26:28 AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
06:26:32 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
06:26:34 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:26:35 OKAY.
06:26:35 PETITIONER?
06:26:45 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
06:26:49 MY NAME IS LESLIE HUDOCK.
06:26:52 I AM WITH THE LAW FIRM OF CANNON INGERSOLL MOONEY, 401
06:26:58 EAST JACKSON STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
06:26:59 THIS EVENING I AM PRIVILEGED TO BE HERE TO REPRESENT THE
06:27:02 YUENGLING BREWING COMPANY OF TAMPA IN CONNECTION WITH THE
06:27:04 TRANSFORMATION OF PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE PLANNED TO
06:27:07 BUILD A YUENGLING BRANDED AND THEMED HOSPITALITY AND
06:27:12 LODGING DESTINATION ON THEIR CAMPUS ON NORTH 30th
06:27:15 STREET JUST SOUTH OF FOWLER AVENUE.
06:27:18 WE HAVE A GIANT AND FANTASTIC DESIGN AND PLANNING TEAM.
06:27:22 A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
06:27:25 I WILL JUST MENTION BRIEFLY WHO THEY ARE.
06:27:27 WE ARE GOING TO PROBABLY ONLY HAVE ONE OR TWO FOLKS SPEAK
06:27:29 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THEM JUST GENERALLY.
06:27:32 WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM KIMLEY-HORN WHO ARE DOING
06:27:35 OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING AND WE HAVE CERTIFIED ARBORIST ON
06:27:38 BOARD WITH THEM.
06:27:39 WE HAVE LINKS AND ASSOCIATES WHO DOES THE TRANSPORTATION
06:27:42 ENGINEERING.
06:27:43 WE HAVE ALFONSO ARCHITECTS WHO ARE DOING THE
06:27:48 ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, OBVIOUSLY.
06:27:50 AND A LINE OF PARTNERS WHICH TOGETHER WITH DEVELOPMENT
06:27:56 OUT OF WASHINGTON, D.C. WHICH IS THE NATIONAL HOTEL
06:27:58 DEVELOPER IS SERVING THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PROJECT.
06:28:01 AND SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE PLAN,
06:28:06 BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT BOTH THE
06:28:08 REZONING AND THE AB SALES SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I WOULD
06:28:12 LIKE TO ASK CARLOS ALFONSO FROM ALLIANT PARTNERS TO COME
06:28:18 UP AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE
06:28:21 YUENGLING COMPANY WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE AND SOME OF
06:28:24 THE THINGS IT HAS BEEN DOING IN TAMPA.
06:28:30 >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU, LESLIE.
06:28:32 AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS.
06:28:37 SO THE YUENGLING COMPANY HAS BEEN A GREAT CORPORATE
06:28:40 CITIZEN OF TAMPA NOW FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS.
06:28:43 THEY BOUGHT THE OLD BREWERY ON 30th STREET THAT WAS
06:28:47 ORIGINALLY A SCHLITZ BREWERY WHEN I WAS A CHILD, AND THEN
06:28:52 BECAME A STOSS BREWERY, AND YUENGLING CAME IN AND
06:29:00 ACTUALLY WE HIRED ALL THE WORKERS THAT 4 BEEN LAID OFF
06:29:03 AND BROUGHT THAT BREWERY BACK TO LIFE.
06:29:06 TODAY, YUENGLING IS RUN BY DICK YUENGLING.
06:29:12 HE'S THE FIFTH YUENGLING TO OWN THE COMPANY.
06:29:14 THEY ARE THE LARGEST CRAFT BREWER IN THE COUNTRY, THE
06:29:19 SIXTH LARGEST BREWER IN THE COUNTRY.
06:29:21 THEY ARE ALSO THE OLDEST BREWER IN THE COUNTRY.
06:29:24 THEY HAVE STARTED THEIR COMPANY IN 1829 IN HUNTSVILLE,
06:29:29 PENNSYLVANIA, AND THEY STILL BREW OUT OF A BUILDING THAT
06:29:31 THEY STARTED BREWING IN IN 1831.
06:29:34 THEY HAD THREE BREWERIES, THIS BEING THE LARGEST.
06:29:38 AND THE OTHER TWO ARE UP IN PENNSYLVANIA.
06:29:40 THIS BREWERY SUPPLIES ALL OF THEIR SOUTHEAST MARKET, AND
06:29:44 IT IS A VERY ROBUST ENTERPRISE FOR THEM.
06:29:48 THEY EMPLOY 80 PEOPLE IN THE BREWERY.
06:29:51 AND THEY HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING THIS PROJECT TO REALLY
06:30:01 SOLIDIFY THEIR STANDING IN THIS COMMUNITY.
06:30:05 THEY HAVE TAKEN A PARTNERSHIP AND A SPONSORSHIP WITH THE
06:30:10 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
06:30:12 THEY HAVE BEEN A VERY ACTIVE COMMUNITY PARTNER FOR US.
06:30:17 WITH US TODAY IS THEIR DIRECTOR OF BREWING, JIM HOFKE WHO
06:30:23 HAS BEEN WITH THEM FROM THE PLANT.
06:30:25 JIM, STAND UP.
06:30:26 AND HE IS -- I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A DIRECTOR OF BREWING
06:30:32 TITLE.
06:30:32 THAT'S A GREAT TITLE.
06:30:33 SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR OVER A YEAR ON THIS
06:30:37 PROJECT.
06:30:38 THEY HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC CORPORATE CITIZENS IN EVERY
06:30:40 SENSE OF THE WORD.
06:30:41 THEY ALWAYS SHOW UP AND JUST DO GREAT THINGS FOR THE
06:30:45 COMMUNITY.
06:30:48 SO WE CONSIDER, AS A TAMPA CITIZEN, I CONSIDER, BUT WE
06:30:53 CONSIDER THIS A CATALYST PROJECT FOR THIS UPTOWN AREA.
06:30:57 THE UPTOWN AREA IS NOW REALLY GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION.
06:31:02 THE CONSTITUENTS UP THERE THAT ARE VITAL AND A PARTNER TO
06:31:06 THIS PROJECT ARE THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, MOFFITT
06:31:10 CANCER CENTER, THE JAMES A. HALEY V.A., VETERANS
06:31:16 ADMINISTRATION HOSPITAL, ADD VENTED HEALTH, AND THE
06:31:19 UNIVERSITY MALL PROJECT THAT IS UNDER RENOVATION, AND ALL
06:31:23 OF THIS IS COMING AROUND NOW AT A TIME THAT IS REALLY
06:31:26 VERY PROMISING FOR THIS PART OF TAMPA.
06:31:29 AND SO WHEN WE SAY THIS IS A CATALYST PROJECT, THE
06:31:33 YUENGLINGS HAVE MADE EVERY COMMITMENT TO FOLLOW UP ON
06:31:36 THAT FOR OUR CITY.
06:31:40 WHEN WE GO AND LOOK AT THE SITE, SHOW SOME -- GREAT.
06:31:51 OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE BREWING THERE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
06:31:55 IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT BREWERY.
06:31:57 WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE A CAMPUS ENVIRONMENT
06:32:01 WITH A HOSPITALITY COMPONENT.
06:32:07 MA'AM, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME.
06:32:10 >> I'M LESLIE HUDOCK.
06:32:15 WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES BEFORE WE GET INTO
06:32:17 THE PROJECT.
06:32:18 THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAW FROM STAFF BUT IT GIVES
06:32:21 YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF THE EXISTING BREWERY, WHICH IS WHAT
06:32:28 YOU ARE GOING TO SEE IN A SECOND AND ALSO THIS GIANT
06:32:31 EMPTY SPACE THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO LONG.
06:32:36 BUT HERE IS THE FRONT OF THE BREWERY.
06:32:40 WHICH WAS SAID.
06:32:48 HERE IS THE BACK, VERY INDUSTRIAL.
06:32:53 RIGHT HERE KIND OF WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THE PLANT.
06:33:12 OH, YOU WANT TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.
06:33:14 HERE YOU GO.
06:33:16 OKAY.
06:33:16 >> SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE CAMPUS LAYOUT.
06:33:23 SO THE INTENT IS TO HIGHLIGHT THE BRAND, TO SERVICE THE
06:33:30 PARTNERS THAT ARE IN THE GENERAL AREA, THE UPTOWN AREA,
06:33:35 WHICH INCLUDES BUSCH GARDENS, WHICH I DIDN'T MENTION IN
06:33:38 MY PARTNERS, BUT THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT THAT
06:33:41 TAKES PLACE HERE.
06:33:42 SO WE HAVE GOT THE V.A. HOSPITAL.
06:33:45 WE HAVE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER RIGHT NEXT DOOR ON
06:33:47 MCKINLEY.
06:33:49 WE HAVE THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
06:33:50 AND THE V.A. HOSPITAL.
06:33:52 AND SO THE MEETING FACILITY WAS DESIGNED TO WORK IN
06:33:57 CONJUNCTION WITH THE HOTEL.
06:33:59 THE HOTEL IS A NATIONALLY BRANDED HOTEL, A FIRST-TIER
06:34:04 BRAND IN THE UNITED STATES.
06:34:06 IT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 180 TO 200 ROOMS, WHICH IS A
06:34:12 SIZABLE HOTEL.
06:34:16 THE THOUGHT IS THAT THAT HOTEL WILL SERVICE THIS WHOLE
06:34:19 UPTOWN AREA THAT'S BECOMING SO VIBRANT NOW.
06:34:23 THERE'S A RESTAURANT FUNCTION IN THERE, WHICH WILL ADD TO
06:34:27 THE OFFERINGS IN THE AREA WHICH ARE GROWING, HOPEFULLY,
06:34:31 AND SO I THINK THE RESTAURANT, THE HIGH-END -- IT WILL BE
06:34:37 A MIDDLE TO HIGH-END RESTAURANT, AND I THINK IT WILL BE
06:34:41 WELCOME IN THAT MARKET AS WELL AT THIS TIME.
06:34:46 THERE IS A TASTING ROOM, AND -- THERE'S A TASTING ROOM
06:34:50 THERE ALONG WITH THE RESTAURANT AND THEN AN OUTDOOR BEER
06:34:54 GARDEN WHERE LESLIE IS POINTING TO.
06:34:56 SO MUCH OF THE SITE WILL BE REALLY POLISHED AND DESIGNED
06:35:01 FOR THE OUTDOORS AND FOR RECREATIONAL USE BY THE USERS
06:35:06 OUTSIDE.
06:35:07 THERE'S ALSO A RETAIL COMPONENT ON RIGHT HERE, WHICH WILL
06:35:14 HAVE A MUSEUM AND ARTIFACTS FROM THE YUENGLING'S HISTORY
06:35:18 AS WELL AS RETAIL SALES AT THAT POINT, SO THAT WILL BE
06:35:24 THAT HALF OF THE BUILDING.
06:35:25 THE TOTAL BUILDING -- THE REASON THAT WE ARE DOING TWO,
06:35:31 THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE OWNERSHIPS, THE HOTEL IS ONE
06:35:35 OWNERSHIP AND THE YUENGLING'S OWN THE REST OF THE CAMPUS
06:35:38 SO THEY HAVE MADE THIS COMMITMENT.
06:35:42 THERE IS ALSO A MICRO BUTTERY UP IN THE BREWERY AREA.
06:35:51 DO YOU WANT TO SHOW THAT?
06:35:53 SO REALLY THAT'S ANOTHER ACTIVITY NODE THAT WILL WORK IN
06:35:57 CONJUNCTION WITH CAMPUS SETTING AND PROVIDE A STROLL IN
06:36:05 AN AREA THERE.
06:36:06 SO THAT'S REALLY THE EXISTING PROJECT.
06:36:10 AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE SAVING, I WOULD SAY, 70% OF THE
06:36:17 TREES.
06:36:17 WE ARE SAVING EVERY GRAND OAK, AND WE ARE SAVING MOST OF
06:36:20 THE TREES.
06:36:22 SO I THINK THAT'S IT.
06:36:28 THANK YOU.
06:36:31 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
06:36:32 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:36:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHERE DID WE GET THE NAMING UPTOWN,
06:36:40 MR. CHAIRMAN?
06:36:40 IS THAT NEW?
06:36:41 UPTOWN.
06:36:42 >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T KNOW WHO CAME UP WITH THAT.
06:36:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE UPTOWN AND MIDTOWN.
06:36:54 I LIKE IT.
06:36:55 WE SPLIT THAT AREA.
06:36:56 ALWAYS THOUGHT WE'D PUT A BIG FOOTBALL FIELD ON THAT
06:37:00 AREA.
06:37:00 >> THERE'S INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP, AND THEY HAVE BROUGHT
06:37:04 TOGETHER ALL THE CONSTITUENTS IN THAT PART OF THE CITY.
06:37:08 AND REALLY NOW OVER 200 MEMBERS IN THE INNOVATION
06:37:13 PARTNERSHIP.
06:37:14 AND THAT IS THE NAME GIVEN BY THAT GROUP TO THAT PART OF
06:37:19 TOWN.
06:37:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
06:37:23 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ELSE?
06:37:24 I GOT A QUICK QUESTION, IF I MAY.
06:37:27 WITH THE EXTRA PARKING THERE APPEARS TO BE ABOUT 80 EXTRA
06:37:31 SPACES OVER WHAT'S REQUIRED.
06:37:32 COULD YOU ALL TELL US WHAT YOUR RATIONALE FOR THAT IS?
06:37:36 >> FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS LESLIE HUDOCK.
06:37:43 I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE KIMLEY-HORN.
06:37:49 THANK YOU.
06:37:52 I'LL LET MATT TALK ABOUT -- ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC
06:37:57 QUESTIONS.
06:37:57 >> MY NAME IS MATT.
06:38:00 I'M WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
06:38:01 I'M THE ENGINEER OF RECORD FOR THE YUENGLING DEVELOPMENT.
06:38:06 THE SITE HAS BEEN PROVIDED WITH PARKING AREAS, THE
06:38:09 PARKING AREA ON THE NORTH AND THE PARKING AREA ON THE
06:38:12 SOUTH.
06:38:12 THE PARKING AREA ON THE NORTH HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO
06:38:14 ACCOMMODATE THE RESTAURANT USE.
06:38:15 THE OFFICE SPACE, MEETING, BEER GARDENS ON THE SOUTH HAVE
06:38:20 BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOTEL.
06:38:22 THERE'S TWO ACCESSES ON 30th STREET TO THE PARKING LOT
06:38:26 AND ALSO THE NORTHERN PARKING LOT.
06:38:27 THERE'S ALSO INTERCONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE SITES, VEHICLE
06:38:31 ACCESS AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
06:38:33 WHEN WE DESIGNED THE SITE AND LAID IT OUT, WE LAID IT OUT
06:38:36 TO WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM GATHERING
06:38:39 AT THE SITE.
06:38:40 SO THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE TENTS AND VANS AND OTHER
06:38:47 ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME
06:38:49 UP WITH THAT PARKING CALCULATION.
06:38:51 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST AN EXPLANATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
06:38:53 I APPRECIATE IT.
06:38:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:38:54 AND SPEAKING OF, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SURROUNDING
06:38:58 COMMUNITIES.
06:38:58 ANY OUTREACH I SEE HERE, THIS IS THE TERRACE PARK
06:39:03 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
06:39:03 ANY CONTACT WITH THE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AT
06:39:06 ALL?
06:39:09 >> LESLIE HUDOCK: WE SENT NOTICES AS REQUIRED.
06:39:12 WE DID NOT HEAR ANY FEEDBACK WHATSOEVER.
06:39:15 WE RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A NEIGHBORING APARTMENT
06:39:19 COMPLEX, BUT WE HAVE HEARD NOTHING --
06:39:23 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, I'M SURE.
06:39:24 ACTUALLY JUST DUE TO THE EXCITEMENT OF THIS PROJECT, THIS
06:39:27 IS A VERY VIGOROUS PROJECT THAT HI THINK IS GOING TO, YOU
06:39:30 KNOW, OUTSIDE OF ANY LEGAL ISSUES WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT,
06:39:34 WE HAVE TO DECIDE UPON, I THINK IT WOULD REALLY EXCITE
06:39:36 THE COMMUNITY.
06:39:37 SO I FORMALLY ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS
06:39:40 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING OR ANYTIME SOON
06:39:43 THEREAFTER TO CONTACT TERRACE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
06:39:46 ASSOCIATION, LESEM RAMOS IS THEIR PRESIDENT AND I THINK
06:39:53 HE WOULD BE DELIGHTED IN THIS.
06:39:55 JUST KEEP THEM INVOLVED BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
06:39:57 AND THEY I THINK WOULD BE VERY EXCITE BY THIS.
06:40:02 THANK YOU.
06:40:02 ANYONE ELSE, COUNCIL?
06:40:03 IF YOU ARE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEMS NUMBER 3 AND
06:40:06 4, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
06:40:14 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMAN.
06:40:22 GLAD TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
06:40:23 ERIC LARSON, 3128 UNIVERSITY SQUARE MALL THE INNOVATION
06:40:28 PARTNERSHIP.
06:40:28 I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF MARK SHARPE WHO
06:40:33 UNFORTUNATELY HAD A CALENDAR CONFLICT, AND HE'S AWAY WITH
06:40:36 HIS WIFE CELEBRATING THEIR ANNIVERSARY.
06:40:39 BUT MARK HAS A PREPARED STATEMENT THAT HE ASKED ME TO
06:40:43 READ INTO THE RECORD, AND AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, HE
06:40:48 EXPRESSES HIS STRONGEST AND UTMOST SUPPORT FOR THIS
06:40:52 EXCITING PROJECT.
06:40:53 AND AGAIN GLAD TO BE BEFORE YOU ONCE AGAIN.
06:40:56 THE TAMPA INNOVATION PARTNERSHIP IS A 501(C)6
06:41:00 ORGANIZATION WITH OVER 230 MEMBERS WORKING TOGETHER TO
06:41:04 CREATE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE, WORK AND
06:41:06 PLAY.
06:41:08 THIS PROJECT EXEMPLIFIES EXACTLY WHAT WE HOPE TO
06:41:12 ACCOMPLISH IN THE DISTRICT, BY CREATING EXCITING VENUE
06:41:16 FOR PEOPLE WHO VISIT, ENGAGE, MEET AND STAY.
06:41:19 MY ORGANIZATION, HAS VISITED THE HEADQUARTERS IN POTS
06:41:27 BORROW, PENNSYLVANIA MANY TIMES TO GET TO KNOW THE
06:41:29 FAMILY, LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR IDEAS FOR CREATING
06:41:31 SOMETHING SPECIAL IN TAMPA.
06:41:32 THE YUENGLINGS HAVE RECIPROCATED BY SPENDING TIME WITH
06:41:37 OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS ENGAGING THE MAYOR AND OTHERS ALL
06:41:41 WHILE MAKING IT A PRIORITY TO INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY.
06:41:44 AND THIS IS BEST EXEMPLIFIED BY RENAMING OF THE SUN DOME
06:41:48 INTO YUENGLING CENTER AS A START OF THEIR INVESTMENT.
06:41:53 THIS IS ANOTHER STEP IN A LASTING RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR
06:41:57 COMMUNITY.
06:41:58 I BELIEVE ONE THAT WILL SHOWCASE JUST HOW WONDERFUL THE
06:42:01 UPTOWN DISTRICT IS TO MAKE A HOME.
06:42:05 I INCH YOU TO UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND JOIN
06:42:09 WITH THE YUENGLING FAMILY TO LIFT THE UNIVERSITY AREA TO
06:42:12 A PLACE OF PRIDE FOR ALL.
06:42:15 MARK SENDS HIS REGARDS.
06:42:16 THANK YOU.
06:42:16 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:42:18 WE APPRECIATE IT.
06:42:19 NEXT, PLEASE.
06:42:19 >> GOOD EVENING.
06:42:23 ANDY MERSOFF SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE UPTOWN PARTNERSHIP
06:42:28 AND SOMEONE WHO WORKS UP THERE EVERY DAY I.ADOPT WANT TO
06:42:33 TAKE A LOT OF TIME REPEATING WHAT MR. ALFONSO SAID ABOUT
06:42:37 THE YUENGLING'S FAMILY COMMITMENT TO THE AREA OR MARK
06:42:41 SHARPE, BUT OUR ADVISORY BOARD OF THE TAMPA INNOVATION
06:42:44 PARTNERSHIP, AS MR. ALFONSO SAID, WE HAVE OVER 200 TOTAL
06:42:48 MEMBERS.
06:42:49 IT'S OVER 230 TOTAL MEMBERS, AND OUR ADVISORY BOARD HAS
06:42:53 ADOPTED PLACE MAKING AS ONE OF ITS PRIORITY AREAS, AND
06:42:57 THIS PROJECT, I THINK, WILL GO SUCH A LONG WAY TO
06:43:01 CREATING MORE OF A SENSE OF PLACE IN THE AREA, A PLACE TO
06:43:04 GO, A PLACE TO MEET, A PLACE TO STRENGTHEN BONDS AND
06:43:08 COMMUNITY TIES, AND AS AN INNOVATION DISTRICT, THIS
06:43:13 DEVELOPMENT WILL SERVE AS A CONVERGENCE POINT AND A PLACE
06:43:18 FOR COLLABORATION, AND PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK AND
06:43:23 STUDY IN THAT AREA, KIND OF LIKE OUTSTANDING IDEAS ARE
06:43:27 GOING TO COME OUT OF IT, AND THIS IS REALLY CONDUCIVE TO
06:43:30 INNOVATION IN GENERAL.
06:43:31 I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE ITEMS 3 AND 4
06:43:34 TONIGHT.
06:43:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:43:36 WE APPRECIATE IT.
06:43:37 NEXT, PLEASE.
06:43:37 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
06:43:44 CHRISTIAN NEAMAN.
06:43:52 AND THREE QUICK POINTS.
06:43:53 ONE IS THAT I THINK THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO OFFER A LOT
06:43:55 OF JOBS, BOTH FOR STUDENTS AT USF AND FOR RESIDENTS IN
06:44:00 THE AREA.
06:44:00 I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG JOB CREATOR FOR THEM.
06:44:04 I THINK THAT IT'S A GREAT AMENITY TO COME TO THE
06:44:07 DISTRICT.
06:44:08 I THINK IT OFFERS THINGS TO DO IN THE AREA.
06:44:12 AND I THINK AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE AND
06:44:17 MORE VENUES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK IN THE AREA AND KIND OF
06:44:20 ENJOY THEIR TIME OUT THERE AND SPEND SOME MORE TIME IN
06:44:22 THAT AREA.
06:44:23 SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
06:44:28 >>LUIS VIERA: AND YOU ARE FINISHED WITH YOUR REMARKS?
06:44:33 THE UNIVERSITY MALL --
06:44:35 >> THAT IS A 501(C)3 THAT'S GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON THE
06:44:41 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON TAKING
06:44:44 THE TECHNOLOGY AND HAVING A BENEFIT.
06:44:49 >>LUIS VIERA: I GOT IT CONFUSED WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
06:44:51 THANK YOU, SIR.
06:44:52 ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT?
06:44:55 OKAY.
06:45:00 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
06:45:00 >> BACK IN 2011 I WAS AT A CANDIDATE FORM AND DR.
06:45:04 GENSHAFT OVER AT USF AFTER ALL THE CANDIDATES SPOKE SAID
06:45:09 PLEASE DO SOMETHING WITH THIS AREA.
06:45:11 TO ALL THE CANDIDATES, NOT ME.
06:45:13 AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED HELP UP HERE.
06:45:15 AND IT'S BEEN VERY ENCOURAGING TO SEE THINGS HAPPENING AT
06:45:19 UNIVERSITY SQUARE MALL, A PROJECT WE APPROVED AT BUSCH,
06:45:22 AND THE INTERSTATE, NOW THIS.
06:45:24 I MEAN, THIS IS VERY EXCITING, AND THIS WILL BE THE
06:45:27 CATALYST THAT IS GOING TO PROPEL THIS WHOLE AREA FORWARD,
06:45:32 NOT JUST FOR USF STUDENTS BUT FOR EVERYTHING NORTH OF
06:45:36 BUSCH BOULEVARD, YOUR DISTRICT, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT.
06:45:39 PEOPLE GO TO BUSCH GARDENS AND THEY SEE WHAT IT IS NOW
06:45:43 BUT THAT IS SOON TO BE CHANGING AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO
06:45:45 BE A DESTINATION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
06:45:49 I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS.
06:45:51 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
06:45:51 JUST TO PUT IN THE MY TWO CENTS, I CONCUR WITH ARE MY
06:45:54 FRIEND AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:45:56 I THINK THIS IS A TREMENDOUS PROJECT AND SPEAKS FOR
06:46:00 ITSELF.
06:46:00 IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY EXCITING.
06:46:02 AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO COMPLIMENT THE AREA WELL, I
06:46:05 THINK.
06:46:06 AND I HAVE GOT TO JUST SALUTE OUR FRIENDS OVER AT TAMPA
06:46:09 INNOVATION FOR THE LONG-TIME WORK AND INVESTMENT.
06:46:12 I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, WITH ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE ARE
06:46:15 HAVING -- AND THIS HAS NO BEARING, I SAY AS A STATEMENT
06:46:19 ON THE LEGAL ISSUES, IN MY DECISION HERE TODAY, THAT WHEN
06:46:23 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE ARE TALKING
06:46:25 ABOUT WITH REDEVELOPMENT OR REINVESTMENT IN THIS AREA,
06:46:28 WITH THE PROJECT THAT WE APPROVED, COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO
06:46:32 TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS REALLY COMING TO FRUITION.
06:46:35 A LOT OF THE HARD WORK THAT EVERYBODY, ERIC, EDDIE,
06:46:39 COMMISSIONER SHARPE AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN DOING OVER AT
06:46:42 TAMPA INNOVATION FOR SO LONG.
06:46:43 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THESE PROJECTS, AND THEY ARE ALL
06:46:46 UNITED BY THE FACT THAT THE HORSE WHISPERER AND ALL HAS
06:46:50 BEEN MARK SHARPE.
06:46:51 SO JUST MY HAT IS OFF TO EVERYBODY, BECAUSE THIS IS
06:46:55 REALLY THE BEGINNING, I THINK, OF SOMETHING REALLY,
06:46:58 REALLY GREAT WHERE THINGS ARE REALLY FINALLY STARTING TO
06:47:01 TAKE OFF IN THAT AREA.
06:47:03 WE HAVE THE LOCAL LEADERSHIP THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE
06:47:06 CHEER LEADING THIS EFFORT, NOT JUST IN WORD BUT IN DEED
06:47:09 IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.
06:47:10 AND THIS IS PART OF IT.
06:47:11 AND I ALSO SEE THIS PROJECT AS THE PRIVATE SECTOR SAYING,
06:47:15 HEY, LISTEN, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WE BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU ALL
06:47:18 ARE SAYING.
06:47:19 SO WE ARE GOING TO MULTIPLE MONEY IN THIS AREA BECAUSE WE
06:47:21 BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING TO MATCH WHAT PRIVATE ENTERPRISE IS
06:47:25 DOING IN THIS AREA WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC
06:47:27 INVESTMENT.
06:47:28 SO FOR YOU ALL'S STEP IN FAITH I SALUTE YOU GUYS FOR
06:47:32 THAT.
06:47:32 I MEAN THAT. THANK YOU.
06:47:36 IS THERE ANY REBUTTAL?
06:47:42 WE HAVE A MOTION TO THE CLOSE.
06:47:45 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
06:47:46 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
06:47:48 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
06:47:51 ANY OPPOSED?
06:47:52 YES, SIR?
06:47:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR PURPOSES OF ORDER, I ASK THAT
06:47:56 COUNCIL TAKE ITEM 4, WHICH IS THE REZONING FIRST.
06:47:59 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
06:48:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND TO REMIND COUNCIL AS PART OF YOUR
06:48:02 MOTION TO INCLUDE THE REVISION SHEET.
06:48:05 YOU HAVE THE REZONING MOTION IN FRONT OF YOU AS ONE OF
06:48:09 THE TWO SHEETS I DISTRIBUTED.
06:48:11 THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REZONING.
06:48:13 THE SECOND BULLET POINT OR THE FOURTH BULLET POINT,
06:48:16 DEPENDING ON YOUR DIRECTION ON THIS PETITION.
06:48:20 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:48:22 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
06:48:27 I'M SORRY, CITRO.
06:48:29 LONG DAY, SIR.
06:48:30 COUNCILMAN CITRO, WOULD YOU MIND --
06:48:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOT AT ALL.
06:48:34 SEE IF I CAN GET THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
06:48:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
06:48:37 FILE REZ 19-74, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
06:48:42 READING CONSIDERATION, REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL
06:48:46 VICINITY OF 11111 NORTH 30th STREET IN THE CITY OF
06:48:51 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
06:48:53 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION IH HEAVY INDUSTRIAL
06:48:56 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, PD, HEAVY MANUFACTURING,
06:49:00 MICROBREWERY, RESTAURANT, RETAIL SALES, SPECIALTY GOODS,
06:49:03 PRIVATE CULTURAL FACILITY, BAR/LOUNGE, HOTEL/MOTEL,
06:49:09 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND THAT THE PETITIONER HAS
06:49:15 MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF WITH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
06:49:17 EVIDENCE.
06:49:17 IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND WE ARE
06:49:22 GOING TO ASK FOR THE SITE MODIFICATIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND
06:49:25 SECOND READING.
06:49:25 >> SECOND.
06:49:28 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. A
06:49:30 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:49:31 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
06:49:32 >>THE CLERK: THIS IS FIRST READING.
06:49:38 NO ROLL CALL REQUIRED.
06:49:40 >>LUIS VIERA: ALL IN FAVOR?
06:49:40 ANY OPPOSED?
06:49:42 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER BEING
06:49:44 ABSENT.
06:49:45 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ON NOVEMBER 21st AT 9:30
06:49:48 A.M.
06:49:50 >>LUIS VIERA: ITEM NUMBER 4.
06:49:51 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. EXCUSE ME.
06:49:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR YOU, HASN'T
06:49:58 IT?
06:49:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE HAVE THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MOTION
06:50:02 THERE.
06:50:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MISPLACED MY ALCOHOLIC SCONE
06:50:10 ZONING.
06:50:11 THANK YOU.
06:50:11 I GOT IT.
06:50:12 THANK YOU.
06:50:13 ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE AB 2-19-20.
06:50:17 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
06:50:19 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
06:50:22 PERMIT S-2 FOR LARGE VENUE AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE
06:50:29 MUCH BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER,
06:50:31 WINE AND LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR
06:50:36 TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 11111 NORTH 30th STREET,
06:50:40 TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
06:50:43 2 THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
06:50:46 ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
06:50:49 AND REGARDING THE ALCOHOL APPROVAL, THE PETITIONER MET
06:50:54 THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO PROVIDE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
06:50:57 EVIDENCE, SPECIAL USE CONDITIONS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN
06:51:01 WITH THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF SECTION 27-129 CITY OF
06:51:04 TAMPA CODE.
06:51:08 ANYTHING ELSE?
06:51:10 AND INCLUDING THE REVISION SHEET.
06:51:13 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:51:15 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
06:51:18 ANY OPPOSED?
06:51:18 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
06:51:20 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 21st
06:51:22 AT 9:30 A.M.
06:51:24 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:51:25 NOW WE JUMP BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 1.
06:51:27 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: FILE REZ 19-MUCH.
06:51:46 KATHY BECK WILL ADDRESS THE QUESTION.
06:51:54 19-67.
06:51:56 >>KATHY BECK: AGAIN, NATURAL RESOURCES HAS FOUND THE
06:52:01 SUBJECT REZONING WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPING, REZONING,
06:52:04 TREE REMOVAL SITE PLANNING REGULATIONS OF CHAPTER 27
06:52:07 CONSISTENT WITH MINOR MODIFICATIONS BEING MADE BETWEEN
06:52:11 FIRST AND SECOND READING.
06:52:13 THIS IS A REVISED STAFF REPORT.
06:52:14 I WOULD LIKE TO REFER YOU TO PAGE 5:00 OF YOUR REVISED
06:52:17 STAFF REPORT, SPECIFICALLY NUMBER 7.
06:52:22 IF THE SITE PLAN REZONING IS APPROVED THIS EVENING,
06:52:25 THEREBY CREATING TWO BUILDABLE ZONING LOTS, THE FOLLOWING
06:52:28 PROVISIONS SHALL APPLY TO EACH ZONING LOT.
06:52:33 IT'S SPECIFIC, THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE, EACH LOT WOULD
06:52:37 QUALIFY FOR THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE AND ANY TREE CONTAINED
06:52:40 WITHIN THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE WOULD BE APPROVED
06:52:42 ADMINISTRATIVELY.
06:52:44 I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
06:52:46 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
06:52:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS A QUESTION OF MINE FOR A LONG
06:52:56 TIME.
06:52:58 EARLIER TODAY, THE SIZE MAXIMUM FOR LOTS PERTAINING TO
06:53:05 THE TREE ORDINANCE.
06:53:07 WE HAVE A LOT THAT IS HYPOTHETICALLY 100-FOOT FRONTAGE.
06:53:12 THAT LOT WANTS TO BE SPLIT IN TWO.
06:53:14 IF WE TAKE THAT LOT, SPLIT IT IN TWO, ONE OF THOSE LOTS
06:53:19 NOW MEETS THE REQUIREMENT FOR OUR TREE ORDINANCE.
06:53:22 >> THAT'S CORRECT SIR.
06:53:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF SOMEONE IS COMING BEFORE US PRIOR TO
06:53:28 THAT LOT BEING ASKING FOR A HOME TO BE BUILT ON EACH PART
06:53:32 OF THOSE LOTS, AND THERE'S A TREE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF
06:53:35 ONE OF THOSE PROPOSED LOTS, DOES THAT LOT HAVE TO BE
06:53:42 SPLIT BEFORE WE CAN CONSIDER THAT PART OF THE TREE
06:53:44 ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE NOW IN REMOVING THAT TREE?
06:53:47 >> IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE CRITERIA
06:53:50 IN ORDER TO BE AN ELIGIBLE LOT.
06:53:51 >> DOES THAT LOT FIRST HAVE TO BE SPLIT --
06:53:55 >> THE 100-FOOT LOT WOULD NOT QUALIFY.
06:53:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO IT WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE SPLIT INTO
06:53:59 TWO?
06:54:00 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
06:54:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:54:03 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ELSE?
06:54:04 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
06:54:07 APPLICANT?
06:54:08 OH, YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:54:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCIL, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A
06:54:14 LITTLE LATE, WITH MY DAD, VERY HAPPILY CELEBRATED HIS
06:54:19 90th BIRTHDAY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
06:54:23 >>LUIS VIERA: I TOLD THEM YOU HAD FAMILY OBLIGATIONS SO
06:54:26 WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT.
06:54:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACCOMMODATION.
06:54:31 NOT COMMENDATION.
06:54:36 KATHY, I REQUESTED THIS ITEM BE CONTINUED OVER TO THIS
06:54:40 MEETING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TREES BACK THERE, AND I
06:54:45 DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT.
06:54:47 IT SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION.
06:54:49 >> KATHY BECK: YES, SIR.
06:54:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT IN REGARD TO THE TREE ITSELF, A
06:54:55 COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS ASKING TWO WEEKS AGO WAS
06:54:59 WHAT CONDITION WAS THE TREE IN, WHAT WAS THE WING SPAN OF
06:55:04 THE TREE, ET CETERA.
06:55:06 AND DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION?
06:55:08 >> I DO, SIR.
06:55:09 I HAVE GOT AN EVALUATION FROM NATURAL RESOURCES THAT WAS
06:55:12 DONE.
06:55:21 THE TREE WAS RATED A C-9, WHICH IS A TREE THAT HAS MAJOR
06:55:26 PROBLEMS, AND A RELATIVELY HIGH RISK.
06:55:31 THE MITIGATION IN THE CURRENT CODE WOULD BE 33, TWO
06:55:37 .5-INCH TREES IF IT'S REMOVED.
06:55:41 IF THE SITE PLAN ZONING GOES THROUGH THIS EVENING IT
06:55:44 WOULD CREATE TWO BUILDABLE LOTS.
06:55:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO C-9 IS EFFECTIVELY A HAZARDOUS
06:55:49 TREE?
06:55:49 >> YES, SIR, IT IS.
06:55:51 YOU HAVE GOT SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THE EVALUATION REPORT OF
06:55:54 THE TREE.
06:55:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
06:55:56 WELL, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE TREE?
06:55:58 BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THERE WAS SOME INDICATION AT LEAST
06:56:01 FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A HEALTHY TREE
06:56:04 WITH BIG SPRAWLING LIMBS.
06:56:05 >> IT APPEARS TO BE A HEALTHY TREE.
06:56:08 STRUCTURALLY IT'S GOT SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT DECAY AT THE
06:56:11 BASE, SOME PREVIOUS FAILURES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE
06:56:15 TREE, AND SOME DECAY POCKETS IN THE CROTCH OF THE TREE
06:56:21 THAT ARE GROWING PALM TREES.
06:56:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
06:56:26 THANK YOU.
06:56:26 >> YOUR VERY WELCOME.
06:56:28 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
06:56:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
06:56:32 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A ZONING QUESTION OR KATHY BECK
06:56:36 QUESTION.
06:56:38 SO WHEN YOU STARTED OUT, YOU SAID, AND YOU INCLUDED IN
06:56:42 THE STAFF REPORT, THAT IF APPROVED THIS WOULD THEN FALL
06:56:47 INTO THE TWZ-TYPE SITUATION.
06:56:52 BUT I GUESS I WAS UNDER THE NOTION THAT THEY HAD ASKED
06:56:58 FOR A WAIVER TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF THE TREE AS PART OF
06:57:02 THE PD.
06:57:02 >> THE REVISED SITE PLAN HAS REMOVED THAT WAIVER.
06:57:07 >> I'M SORRY?
06:57:08 >> YOUR REVISED SITE PLAN REPORT HAS REMOVED THAT
06:57:12 REQUEST.
06:57:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT.
06:57:13 OKAY.
06:57:14 THANK YOU.
06:57:14 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
06:57:16 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES?
06:57:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST FYI.
06:57:21 I SEE THIS EVALUATION REPORT THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
06:57:24 AND WHAT A C-9 WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS RELATES TO THIS
06:57:29 CASE HERE.
06:57:30 BUT I JUST WONDER FOR FUTURE REFERENCE WHEN WE HAVE THIS
06:57:33 SITUATION, THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.
06:57:38 IF WE HAD THIS BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN HOW TO PROCEED,
06:57:41 WHICH I COULD SEE THE EVALUATION, I PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHAT
06:57:45 C IS.
06:57:46 SO I THINK IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THESE.
06:57:48 >> THEY WILL BE INCLUDED, SIR.
06:57:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
06:57:51 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
06:57:53 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
06:57:53 OKAY.
06:57:54 APPLICANT?
06:57:54 >>STEVE MICHELINI: REPRESENTING THE PETITIONER.
06:58:03 I HADN'T PLANNED TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PRESENTATION AGAIN
06:58:06 UNLESS THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE BUT I THINK THE MAIN
06:58:08 THING IS YOU CONTINUED THE HEARING TO HEAR FROM STAFF
06:58:10 REGARDING THE CONDITION OF THE TREE.
06:58:12 THEY HAVE INDICATED IT'S HAZARDOUS.
06:58:14 AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE REZONING WENT
06:58:16 THROUGH, IT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR REMOVAL.
06:58:20 AND WE WOULD STILL BE OBLIGATED TO PLANT THE REPLACEMENT
06:58:23 TREES AS AN OBLIGATION CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.
06:58:26 AND THE SECOND THING IS THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE CITY OF
06:58:28 TAMPA CODE AS ITS CURRENTLY ESTABLISHED.
06:58:31 WE DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY EXCEPTIONAL CONSIDERATION REGARDING
06:58:34 THAT.
06:58:36 AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT BECAUSE THE CITY
06:58:40 STAFF HAS FOUND IT TO BE CONSISTENT AND THE PLANNING
06:58:42 COMMISSION STAFF FOUND IT TO BE CONSISTENT AND YOU HEARD
06:58:45 FROM NATURAL RESOURCES AND THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT HITS
06:58:48 CONSISTENT TO MOVE FORWARD.
06:58:50 SO I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
06:58:53 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
06:58:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
06:58:58 YOU SEE WHY WE NEEDED THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE NOW WE
06:59:01 KNOW WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE TREE IS, AND I KNOW I FEEL
06:59:04 MORE COMFORTABLE IN REGARD TO THE TREE ISSUE.
06:59:08 THE OTHER QUESTION -- AND THIS IS PERHAPS MORE OF A GOOD
06:59:13 SPORT, GOOD NEIGHBOR QUESTION TO YOU, STEVE.
06:59:16 AND I DON'T THINK YOUR CLIENT IS HERE BUT MAYBE YOU MIGHT
06:59:19 BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR HIM.
06:59:23 THE PERSPECTIVE NEIGHBOR TO THE SIDE OF THE CONSTRUCTION
06:59:29 REQUESTED ABOUT ELIMINATING WINDOWS FROM THAT UPPER LEVEL
06:59:33 THAT LOOKED OVER HIS POOL, AND YOU SAID THAT'S REALLY NOT
06:59:36 POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE FIRE CODE, AND I PROBABLY AGREE
06:59:39 WITH THAT, ALTHOUGH NOT BEING A FIRE EXPERT OR ANYTHING,
06:59:42 BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT PROVISION.
06:59:45 WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IS POSSIBLY USING THE
06:59:50 GLAZED -- THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE THE SORT OF FOGGINESS,
06:59:53 LIKE A BATHROOM WINDOW SOMETIMES HAS FOGGINESS, WHERE THE
06:59:57 LIGHT IS GOING TO COME INFLUENCE BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE
06:59:59 OUT OF IT.
07:00:00 >>STEVE MICHELINI: A FROSTED WINDOW.
07:00:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING TO ASK YOU TO
07:00:07 COMMIT TONIGHT BECAUSE YOUR CLIENT IS NOTE HERE AND THAT
07:00:09 WOULD BE A LITTLE CUMBERSOME BUT I WOULD JUST ASK YOU AND
07:00:11 MR. MOBLEY ON BEHALF OF THAT NEIGHBOR, ASSUMING THIS GOES
07:00:15 THROUGH, THAT YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
07:00:19 ON THE WINDOWS THAT OVERLOOK HIS POOL.
07:00:22 >>STEVE MICHELINI: FOLLOWING OUR LAST HEARING I ASKED
07:00:24 ABOUT USING SOME SCREENING LANDSCAPING ON THAT REAR SIDE,
07:00:28 LIKE BAMBOO OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE THAT GROWS VERY
07:00:32 TALL, AND IT WILL BLOCK THAT VIEW ENTIRELY, WITHIN A FEW
07:00:36 MONTHS, AND HE HAD NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
07:00:39 I WILL CERTAINLY CONSIDER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION
07:00:43 MEASURES AS WELL.
07:00:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: POSSIBLY WITH A FROSTED WINDOW?
07:00:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I CAN'T TELL THAT HE WILL ABSOLUTELY
07:00:52 DO THAT, BUT WE WOULD BE SENSITIVE TO THE QUESTION THAT
07:00:57 WAS ARISEN, REGARDING LOOKING OVER INTO A NEIGHBOR'S
07:01:02 BACKYARD.
07:01:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE APPRECIATE IT.
07:01:04 THANK YOU.
07:01:05 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
07:01:06 THANK YOU, SIR.
07:01:08 IS ANYONE HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 1?
07:01:10 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
07:01:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN INQUIRE.
07:01:18 IS EVERYBODY LINING UP, PEOPLE WHO ARE PLANNING TO SPEAK
07:01:21 ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 1?
07:01:24 HAS ANYBODY SPOKEN BEFORE PREVIOUSLY WHEN IT WAS LAST
07:01:27 HERE?
07:01:28 >> I HAVE.
07:01:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAVE YOU AS WELL?
07:01:30 >> I HAVE KNOT.
07:01:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE NOT.
07:01:32 >> YES, I HAVE.
07:01:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS BEING THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING,
07:01:39 UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY AND SOLE LIP
07:01:41 RELATED TO THE NEW TESTIMONY OF THE STAFF, AT A FIRST
07:01:46 READING, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
07:01:48 IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AGAIN YOU WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY
07:01:50 AT THE SECOND PUBLIC READING ASSUMING IT DOES GO FORWARD.
07:01:53 BUT TONIGHT IF YOU PREVIOUSLY SPOKE, UNLESS THERE'S
07:01:57 SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO WHAT THE TESTIMONY WAS TONIGHT, YOU
07:02:00 ARE NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK.
07:02:05 IF YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN BEFORE, YOU ARE CERTAINLY ALLOWED
07:02:07 TO SPEAK AND PERMITTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
07:02:10 >>LUIS VIERA: SO MR. SHELBY, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THIS, IF
07:02:13 INDIVIDUALS SHOW AT THE FIRST SECTION OF THE FIRST
07:02:15 HEARING, THEY MAY ONLY SPEAK AGAIN IF THEY CAN
07:02:18 SPECIFICALLY SITE SOMETHING THAT WAS CITED TODAY IN
07:02:22 SUPPORT OF THEIR ARGUMENTS?
07:02:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, WHICH WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY
07:02:26 PERHAPS TO THE REVISED SITE PLAN OR THE CONDITION OF THE
07:02:29 TREE.
07:02:30 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT MEANS, SIR, YOU HAVE TO CITE SOMETHING
07:02:31 THAT WAS SAID TODAY IN THE SUBSTANCE OF YOUR REMARKS.
07:02:35 >> I UNDERSTAND.
07:02:38 >>LUIS VIERA: GO FOR IT.
07:02:39 >> BOB WHITMORE, 3111 HAWTHORNE ROAD, TAMPA.
07:02:44 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITY TREE.
07:02:48 EVERYTHING I WAS GOING TO SAY I AM GOING TO SET ASIDE
07:02:51 BECAUSE I RESPECT KATHY BECK AND RESPECT THE WORK THAT
07:02:54 SHE'S DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND ALSO RESPECT WHAT
07:02:57 THE COUNCIL HAS DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
07:03:00 THE TREE PROTECTION BEGAN IN THIS ROOM YEARS AGO, AND NOW
07:03:05 WE TALK ABOUT IT EVERY NIGHT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS
07:03:08 COMES UP.
07:03:09 ONE THING THAT KATHY DID TALK ABOUT, AND I'M SURPRISED
07:03:13 THAT IT BECAME A C-9 AFTER MR. MICHELINI AND THE
07:03:21 RESIDENTS OF BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL HAD INDEPENDENT ARBORISTS
07:03:26 SAY THAT IT WAS A HEALTHY TREE.
07:03:29 IN FACT, HE BASED HIS ENTIRE LINE OF SPEAKING ON THE FACT
07:03:37 THAT HE SAID THAT THIS WAS NOT A HAZARDOUS TREE.
07:03:43 I THINK WHAT CAN'T GO UNSAID HERE IS WE WERE ALL WITNESS
07:03:50 TO A FAST ONE.
07:03:52 THIS LOT WAS GOING TO BE SPLIT IN TWO TO MAKE THAT TREE
07:03:57 FALL INTO WHAT NEEDED TO BE THE SIZE OF THE LOT, TO HAVE
07:04:02 THE TREE REMOVED.
07:04:04 AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS A
07:04:09 CITY.
07:04:09 THESE TREES GIVE US AESTHETIC VALUE, MARKETING VALUE,
07:04:15 SCIENTIFIC VALUE, AND IF WE ALLOW REAL ESTATE PEOPLE TO
07:04:21 COME IN AND START SPLITTING LOTS WE ARE GOING TO LOSE A
07:04:25 LOT OF THINGS THAT MAKE TAMPA SPECIAL.
07:04:27 WE ARE NOT A TREELESS CITY.
07:04:31 WE ARE ONE OF AMERICA'S TREE CITIES, AND PEOPLE ARE
07:04:34 WATCHING US AND SEEING WHAT WE DO WITH OUR GRAND OAKS.
07:04:37 I RESPECT KATHY'S OPINION AND WILL NOT FIGHT AGAINST
07:04:42 KATHY FOR ANY REASON.
07:04:44 I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.
07:04:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:04:48 WE APPRECIATE IT.
07:04:49 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:04:49 >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
07:04:53 MY NAME IS BARRY GRINDISE, 3113 KELLAR AVENUE.
07:05:02 I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE I HAD A
07:05:04 MEDICAL EMERGENCY BUT I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
07:05:06 TREE OR NO TREE, I WANT TO POINT OUT HAVING LIVED ON THE
07:05:09 STREET FOR OVER 20 YEARS I SEE LOT AFTER LOT BEING
07:05:12 SUBDIVIDED, I SEE 3,000-PLUS SQUARE FOOT HOMES JAMMED
07:05:16 INTO THESE REZONED SUBDIVIDED LOTS.
07:05:18 THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE GRAND OAKS THAT GIVE OUR STREET
07:05:22 AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE CHARACTER THAT MAKE US SO UNIQUE
07:05:25 AND VALUABLE AND IS WHY I STAYED FOR THE 20 YEARS THAT I
07:05:30 HAVE.
07:05:30 SO I KNOW THERE'S FURTHER DEBATE POSSIBLY ON THE HEALTH
07:05:33 OF THE TREE.
07:05:34 I LOOK AT THAT TREE EVERY DAY.
07:05:35 I WALK BY IT.
07:05:36 IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD TO ME.
07:05:38 I'M NOT A QUALIFIED ARBORIST.
07:05:40 [NO ENCODER]
07:05:58 [NO ENCODER]
07:06:05 WILLING BUYER, WILLING SELLER, 290,000 FOR THIS LOT,
07:06:10 EXPECTED THEY COULD ONLY GET ONE HOME IN THIS SPACE.
07:06:14 THERE'S A LOT FOR SALE UP THE STREET.
07:06:15 IT'S HALF THE SIZE OF THE SUBJECT LOT, AND THE ASKING
07:06:18 PRICE IS 80 TO 90%.
07:06:22 THEY WERE ASKING -- LISTING 250,000 JUST A MONTH AGO TWO,
07:06:27 MONTHS AGO, WHEREAS THIS LOT TWICE THE SIZE JUST SOLD
07:06:31 ABOUT A YEAR AGO FOR $290,000.
07:06:34 THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.
07:06:36 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:06:36 WE APPRECIATE IT.
07:06:37 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:06:37 >> HI.
07:06:41 MY NAME IS MONICA TYLER.
07:06:43 I LIVE TO THE EAST OF THIS LOT.
07:06:46 AND THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THAT ARBORIST
07:06:51 REPORT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOTE ON THE LAST LINE, IT DOES
07:06:55 MENTION THAT THIS TREE COULD BE PRESERVED.
07:06:57 I JUST WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
07:07:01 AND I DID MEET WITH THE ARBORIST, WAS KIND ENOUGH TO
07:07:04 KNOCK ON MY DOOR, WALK ME THROUGH WHAT HE FOUND, AND THE
07:07:09 TWO AREAS THAT HE FOUND AT THE BASE OF THE TREE WAS THE
07:07:13 SIZE OF MY HAND, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, A
07:07:16 PRETTY SIZABLE OAK TREE.
07:07:18 AND THERE'S NICE CURBS WHERE THIS SINGLE PALM HAS GROWN
07:07:26 OUT OF IT AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE POINT, BUT I DO WANT TO
07:07:29 MENTION THEY SAY THIS HE COULD BE PRESERVED.
07:07:33 IT IS IN THE CENTER OF THE EAST LOT.
07:07:36 TO ME IT'S NOT IN THE CENTER OF BOTH LOTS.
07:07:39 SO YOU COULD TRULY BUILD ONE BEAUTIFUL HOUSE ON THE WEST
07:07:43 SIDE OF THESE TWO LOTS AND STILL KEEP THIS BEAUTIFUL
07:07:46 TREE.
07:07:47 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:07:47 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
07:07:49 WE APPRECIATE IT.
07:07:50 NEXT, PLEASE.
07:07:51 >> GILL McTYLER.
07:07:57 [NO ENCODER]
07:08:01 [NO ENCODER]
07:08:06 MY WIFE AND MY NEIGHBORS, I APPRECIATE THEM COMING AND
07:08:08 SPEAKING.
07:08:09 BUT SPECIFICALLY, IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS THAT WERE
07:08:12 MENTIONED BY MR. DINGFELDER AND MR. MICHELINI, THIS IS
07:08:18 THE DIAGRAM THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE PD.
07:08:23 THIS IS IN THE PAPERWORK SUBMITTED WITH THE PD.
07:08:26 AND I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS ELEVATION
07:08:30 OF THIS HOUSE AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY MAY BUILD.
07:08:33 THAT'S ALL I AM REQUESTING.
07:08:35 IF THEY BUILD THIS -- IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN REMOVING
07:08:38 THIS TREE, WHICH I HOPE THEY ARE NOT, AND THEY BUILD A
07:08:41 HOUSE THERE, I AM ASKING TO DO WHAT THEY PRESENTED RIGHT
07:08:46 HERE.
07:08:47 NO WINDOWS IN THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE ON MY SIDE
07:08:50 FACING MY POOL.
07:08:51 THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
07:08:53 AND FOR YOU TO SAVE THE TREE, PLEASE.
07:08:56 IF ONE HOUSE IS BUILT, EVERYBODY STILL WINS.
07:08:58 EVERYBODY STILL MAKES MONEY.
07:08:59 THE GUY SELLING THE LOT MAKES MONEY.
07:09:01 THE DEVELOPER MAKES MONEY.
07:09:02 AND WE ARE HAPPY THAT WE SAVE A TREE.
07:09:06 KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY.
07:09:08 SAVE A TREE.
07:09:10 THANK YOU.
07:09:10 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:09:11 >> WEST BARCELONA STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
07:09:23 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
07:09:28 A PICTURE TELLS A THOUSAND WORDS.
07:09:30 SO LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I WASN'T PREPARED TO DEFEND THE
07:09:33 REMOVAL OF THE TREE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS OBVIOUS.
07:09:36 THIS IS LIKE SLAM DUNK.
07:09:38 THIS IS A SURE THING.
07:09:39 I SPOKE TO NATURAL RESOURCES ABOUT THIS TREE IN THE WRONG
07:09:44 PLACE THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT.
07:09:45 I DON'T THINK THE CONDITION OF THE TREE IS ACTUALLY
07:09:47 RELEVANT IN THIS CASE.
07:09:49 EVEN IF THIS WAS THE HEALTHIEST TREE EVER SEEN -- AND I
07:09:54 TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY BEFORE I COME BEFORE COUNCIL.
07:09:56 I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME.
07:09:58 MR. TYLER CONTACTED ME.
07:10:00 I THOUGHT, OH, THE DIAMETER IN THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF
07:10:03 THE LOT, THAT'S GOING TO BE ALONG SHOT.
07:10:05 I DROVE TO THE LOT.
07:10:06 I LOOKED AT THE TREE.
07:10:07 YEAH, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
07:10:08 IT'S HUGE.
07:10:09 I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE.
07:10:11 I PULLED THE ACCELA DOCUMENT, THE BOUNDARY, EVERYTHING.
07:10:18 FROM THE SURVEY AND THE TREE, AND ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL
07:10:21 SURVEY HAS THE TREE AT A 91-FOOT DIAMETER.
07:10:24 THE NEW SURVEY SHOWS IT'S 97.5.
07:10:28 SO THAT'S THE SHAPE OF THAT CANOPY.
07:10:30 THAT'S HOW FAR THE LIMBS GO OUT, OKAY?
07:10:33 AND EVEN IF NATURAL RESOURCES COULD -- AND THEY DIDN'T
07:10:36 HAVE TOP DO IN THE THIS CASE -- IF THEY COULD SHRINK THAT
07:10:40 FROM THE 20 FEET TO 10 FEET BY ROOT PRUNING AND THEY
07:10:46 COULD PRUNE SOME OF THE BRANCHES AND GET CLOSER, YOU SEE
07:10:51 IT'S CLOSER, THE BASE IS CLOSER.
07:10:53 THIS IS THE BEST CASE SCENARIO HOW CLOSE YOU COULD
07:10:56 PROBABLY GET TO THIS TREE.
07:10:58 TO BUILD A HOUSE YOU ARE STILL GOING TO LOSE ALL OF THE
07:11:00 SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU SEE IN YELLOW.
07:11:02 YOU CAN'T BUILD THERE.
07:11:04 IF YOU BUILD ONE BIG HOUSE.
07:11:11 30 TO 50% OF THE HOUSE.
07:11:14 THEY STILL HAVE TO SHRINK THE HOUSE AFTER ALL OF THE
07:11:16 OTHER METHODS TO SAVE THE TREE.
07:11:18 SO YOU TELL ME, IS THAT REASONABLE TO REQUIRE A PROPERTY
07:11:22 OWNER TO SHRINK THE HOUSE THAT THEY COULD BUILD BY 30 TO
07:11:27 50%?
07:11:28 IT'S THEIR DECISION WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT THESE THINGS
07:11:32 GOING FORWARD NEED TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY OR MAYBE LOOK
07:11:35 AT THEM CAREFULLY.
07:11:37 AND MS. KERT, MS. BECK, HAPPY TO COME GIVE COUNCIL
07:11:43 MEMBERS THE BRIEFING WE GAVE TO COUNCIL MEMBERS LAST
07:11:45 YEAR.
07:11:45 I HAVE MY LITTLE BLOCKS, MY LITTLE PLASTIC TREES.
07:11:48 BUT I REALLY THINK A PICTURE --
07:11:51 [BELL SOUNDS]
07:11:52 THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
07:11:54 A TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
07:11:56 SO REGARDLESS OF THE CONDITION, THERE IS NO REASONABLE
07:11:58 RECONFIGURATION OF THIS LOT.
07:12:01 THANK YOU.
07:12:01 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
07:12:03 ANYONE ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 1?
07:12:06 OKAY.
07:12:07 WE ARE BACK TO MS. KERT.
07:12:09 >>REBECCA KERT: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
07:12:11 I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I KNOW
07:12:13 THAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE RZ LOANED LOTS AND I WANT
07:12:19 TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WHEN THIS LOT IS CLEARED TO BE TRZ
07:12:26 ELIGIBLE THEY ARE NOT GOING TO NEED A WAIVER FOR THE TREE
07:12:29 PROVISION AND I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD THAT
07:12:30 ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE A REPORT FROM STAFF THAT THE TREES ARE
07:12:35 C-9 WHICH IS HAZARDOUS, IT IS NOT AT THIS POINT DEEMED
07:12:39 HAZARDOUS BECAUSE THAT IS A NOTICED HEARING PROCESS AND
07:12:42 IT HASN'T BEEN THROUGH THAT SO YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE
07:12:45 EVIDENCE THAT THE TREE IS IN HAZARDOUS CONDITION UNDER
07:12:48 OUR CODE BUT IT'S NOT A FORMAL DETERMINATION AT THIS
07:12:51 POINT.
07:12:51 THAT BEING SAID, THEY DO NOT NEED A WAIVER FROM THE TREE
07:12:55 PROVISION BECAUSE IT WILL BECOME TRZ AND THEREFORE NO
07:12:59 WAIVER IS REQUIRED.
07:13:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS THAT PART?
07:13:04 NOTICE THE HEARING?
07:13:05 WHAT'S THAT?
07:13:07 >>REBECCA KERT: WHEN A TREE IS DEEMED HAZARDOUS THERE'S
07:13:10 A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE GONE THROUGH, AND UNDER THE
07:13:14 ORDINANCE, THE PRIOR CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT THEY
07:13:16 DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE PURELY ADMINISTRATIVE.
07:13:19 IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE BUT IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE WITH NOTICE
07:13:21 TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN SEEK REVIEW.
07:13:23 SO JUST IN THE EVENT THAT THIS CASE IS CHALLENGED, I JUST
07:13:26 WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT COUNCIL ISN'T BASING THIS
07:13:29 MOTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE TREE IS DEEMED
07:13:31 HAZARDOUS AND CAN COME OUT BECAUSE IT'S HAZARDOUS.
07:13:35 ALTHOUGH WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT IT COULD QUALIFY FOR THAT,
07:13:39 THERE HASN'T BEEN A FINAL DETERMINATION ON THAT.
07:13:40 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
07:13:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [OFF MICROPHONE] I'M SORRY.
07:13:55 OKAY, THANK YOU.
07:14:00 WE HAVE GOT A TREE THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED TO BE C-9.
07:14:13 THEY COULD APPLY FOR IT TO BE TAKEN OUT.
07:14:16 IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NOTICED, THAT SORT OF THING.
07:14:22 SO NOW WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ISSUE, OKAY, WHICH
07:14:27 IS -- EVERYBODY LIKES TO SPLIT A LOT BUT IT APPEARS THESE
07:14:33 WERE ORIGINAL LOTS OF RECORD, WHEN THIS BLOCK WAS
07:14:36 PLATTED.
07:14:37 LOTS 23 AND 24.
07:14:39 IS THAT CORRECT?
07:14:40 >>REBECCA KERT: THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU, YES.
07:14:43 THEY ARE ORIGINAL PLATTED LOTS.
07:14:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS IT MORE THAN EVIDENT?
07:14:49 IS IT THE CITY --
07:14:50 >>REBECCA KERT: I TRY NOT TO TESTIFY, BUT YES, THE STAFF
07:14:53 REPORTS INDICATED THESE WERE THE ORIGINAL PLATTED LOTS.
07:14:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE CITY IS CONSIDERING THESE LOTS
07:14:58 OF RECORD?
07:14:59 >>REBECCA KERT: YES.
07:15:00 THESE ARE BY DEFINITION LOTS OF RECORD.
07:15:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THEN I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT
07:15:05 WE HEARD LAST WEEK BEFORE WE GOT WAY OFF INTO THE TREE
07:15:09 DISCUSSION, IS THAT THESE LOTS ARE 90 FEET DEEP.
07:15:18 MAYBE I WILL ASK STAFF.
07:15:19 THAT WILL BE BETTER.
07:15:20 IF YOU WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THE STAFF REPORT, MARY.
07:15:24 IS THIS YOUR CASE?
07:15:25 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: FOR THE RECORD.
07:15:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THESE LOTS ARE 90 FEET DEEP.
07:15:36 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: CORRECT.
07:15:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW.
07:15:41 DID STAFF DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE OTHER LOTS UP AND DOWN
07:15:45 THE STREET?
07:15:46 ARE ALL THE LOTS 90 FEET DEEP?
07:15:49 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: NO, SIR.
07:15:50 WE ONLY DO THE ANALYSIS, CONFIRMING ANALYSIS SO THESE
07:15:56 LOTS ARE 50-FOOT LOTS IN AN RS-50 ZONING DISTRICT SO THEY
07:16:01 ARE NOT ASKING FOR RELIEF.
07:16:04 FOR THE LOT.
07:16:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:16:09 I COULD HAVE SWORN I HEARD, PERHAPS MR. MICHELINI PUT IT
07:16:12 ON AS EVIDENCE, BUT THE LOTS UP AND DOWN THE SAME BLOCK
07:16:17 WERE 90 FEET DEEP.
07:16:20 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: THEY ARE, SIR.
07:16:22 EVERYTHING IN THIS BLOCK WERE PLOTTED AT 90-FOOT DEEP
07:16:26 LOTS.
07:16:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:16:28 THANK YOU.
07:16:28 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
07:16:30 OKAY.
07:16:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:16:32 REBUTTAL, MR. MICHELINI?
07:16:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, COUNCIL.
07:16:39 I WAS THE ONE THAT PUT THAT INFORMATION ON THE RECORD AND
07:16:42 THEN IT WAS CONFIRMED BY CITY STAFF THAT THE LOTS ARE
07:16:46 PLATTED AT 90 FEET AND THAT'S WHAT IS CAUSING A LOT OF
07:16:51 THESE PROBLEMS.
07:16:52 I HAVE A PARTIAL VIEW OF THE PLAT.
07:16:58 WHICH SHOWS -- CAN YOU SEE THAT ALL RIGHT?
07:17:04 WHICH SHOWS THEM AT 90 FEET, 97.47 FEET, AND EXCEPT FOR
07:17:10 THE CORNER LOT, THE REST OF THEM ARE 50 FEET WIDE.
07:17:16 SO YOU WOULDN'T, WITHOUT GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE
07:17:18 ARE GOING IN, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EVEN MEET THE RS-50
07:17:25 STANDARDS BECAUSE YOU DON'T MEET THE -- I MEAN THE 90
07:17:29 FEET.
07:17:29 YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 100 FEET, 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND
07:17:32 YOU CAN'T MEET THAT.
07:17:34 WE ALSO DID AN ANALYSIS THAT SHOWED THE DEVELOPMENT
07:17:40 PATTERN.
07:17:43 LET ME GET THIS.
07:17:49 THAT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE DEVELOPED AT THE 50 FEET.
07:17:54 IF I CAN FIND IT HERE.
07:18:03 ALL OF THOSE MARKED DOWN IN RED ARE 50 FEET.
07:18:18 THE ADDRESSES WERE EXISTING.
07:18:21 IT'S DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
07:18:24 STAFF HAS TOLD YOU THAT WE COULDN'T SAVE THEM.
07:18:27 IT'S FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE, AND MUCH BETTER PUTTING IN
07:18:30 NEW TREES THAT ARE APPROPRIATELY PLACED INSTEAD OF TRYING
07:18:35 TO SAVE A TREE THAT IS ALREADY DETERIORATED.
07:18:39 WE HAVE HAD ONE OF THE DIAGRAMS DRAWN FOR YOU THAT SHOWS,
07:18:47 THIS IS THE WEST LOT.
07:18:54 THIS IS THE WEST LOT.
07:18:55 AND IT'S SHOWING YOU THE EXTENT OF THE -- THIS IS THE
07:19:00 EAST LOT WITH THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT.
07:19:03 AND THEN THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE LOT LINE SHOWING
07:19:12 BETWEEN THE -- THIS IS THE EAST LOT ON THE RIGHT, AND ON
07:19:18 THE WEST LOT ON THE LEFT IT SHOWS YOU THE SAME THING THAT
07:19:23 I JUST SHOWED YOU IN THE DIAGRAM.
07:19:28 I THINK THE BEST THING I CAN SAY, IN THE NEXT CASE, AFTER
07:19:34 DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS IT'S FAR BETTER THAN THE EXISTING
07:19:37 CONDITION.
07:19:39 WE FOLLOWED THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE.
07:19:41 WE FOLLOWED WHAT WAS OUTLINED IN THE ORDINANCE.
07:19:44 WE DIDN'T ASK FOR, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR
07:19:47 ANY EXTRAORDINARY CONSIDERATION.
07:19:49 THE TREE IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE, AND IF YOU DID TRY TO SAVE
07:19:53 IT AND IT'S IN A DETERIORATED CONDITION, AND WE MOVED THE
07:19:59 HOUSE OR BUILT SOME OTHER THINGS, THEN WE ARE LEFT WITH A
07:20:03 RELOCATED HOUSE AND A DECLINING TREE.
07:20:07 SO WE ARE REALLY BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE ABOUT
07:20:10 WHAT TO DO.
07:20:11 SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
07:20:13 AS I SAID, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD NO OBJECTION AND
07:20:16 FOUND IT KIND.
07:20:17 CITY STAFF HAPPEN H NO OBJECTIONS AND FOUND IT
07:20:20 CONSISTENT.
07:20:20 AND YOU HAVE HEARD FROM NATURAL RESOURCES SAYING THAT
07:20:23 THEY WOULD APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THAT TREE.
07:20:26 AND IT IS IN A DETERIORATED HAZARDOUS CONDITION.
07:20:30 WE OBVIOUSLY, ACCORDING TO THE STAFF, WOULD TO HAVE GO
07:20:31 THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS FOR THE FORMAL DETERMINATION OF
07:20:34 THAT, BUT IT COULD BE REMOVED.
07:20:37 AND THE WAIVER HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM OUR SITE PLAN SO WE
07:20:39 KNOW WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THAT WAIVER FROM CITY COUNCIL.
07:20:42 ANYWAY, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
07:20:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:20:46 ANY QUESTIONS?
07:20:48 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:20:50 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
07:20:52 A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:20:54 I BELIEVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
07:20:57 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:20:58 ANY OPPOSED?
07:20:59 OKAY.
07:20:59 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING
07:21:03 ITEM NUMBER 1?
07:21:06 OKAY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE
07:21:09 TAKING THAT?
07:21:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
07:21:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
07:21:15 MR. DINGFELDER, THERE IS A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
07:21:17 I BELIEVE IT'S A CHANGE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION OR
07:21:20 CORRECTION OF THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION.
07:21:21 IS THAT CORRECT?
07:21:22 IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA.
07:21:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE NEED ANY SPECIAL LANGUAGE?
07:21:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE REZONING MOTION?
07:21:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
07:21:39 THANKS A LOT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
07:21:40 >>LUIS VIERA: YOU WERE NEXT IN LINE, MY FRIEND.
07:21:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME EXPLAIN WHERE I AM COMING FROM
07:21:48 AND THEN I AM GOING TO READ IT FOR APPROVAL.
07:21:52 OBVIOUSLY, TWO WEEKS AGO, I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
07:21:55 TREE.
07:21:56 I WAS READY TO VOTE NO FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, NAMELY
07:22:00 SURROUNDING THE TREE.
07:22:03 BUT THE TREE HAS BEEN PULLED OFF OF THE PD.
07:22:09 MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU THERE FOR A REASON?
07:22:12 >>STEVE MICHELINI: WELL, THE STAFF REMOVED THE WAIVER.
07:22:14 WE DIDN'T ASK --
07:22:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT ASKING A QUESTION.
07:22:16 I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE THERE FOR A REASON.
07:22:19 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO FINISH YOUR
07:22:24 VOTE.
07:22:24 DO YOU WANT ME TO SIT DOWN?
07:22:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ASKING US
07:22:28 SOMETHING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
07:22:29 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YOU CLOSED THE HEARING.
07:22:33 I AM JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO FINISH YOUR DELIBERATION.
07:22:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEW SO ANYWAY I WAS PREPARED TO
07:22:38 SUPPORT THE TREE, SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:22:42 I FELT THAT THIS IS A TREE THAT PERHAPS COULD BE WORKED
07:22:45 AROUND.
07:22:45 BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
07:22:47 SO NOW WE HAVE GOT PLENTY OF INFORMATION.
07:22:50 IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THE PETITIONER WHO HAS THE
07:22:53 DISCRETION TO DO THAT HAS PULLED THE TREE OFF OF THE PD,
07:22:58 THEREFORE MAKING THE TREE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, I GUESS,
07:23:03 IRRELEVANT.
07:23:04 BUT REGARDLESS, STAFF HAS PULLED THE TREE AS A C-9 AND
07:23:08 THEREFORE EVEN IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THIS, THEY COULD POST
07:23:16 TOMORROW AND SEEK TO HAVE IT REMOVED, AND THEY WOULD
07:23:19 PROBABLY BE SUCCESSFUL, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
07:23:23 OTHER THAN THAT, THEN WE GET DOWN TO THE SORT OF THE MORE
07:23:27 CRUCIAL ZONING QUESTION, WHICH IS IF THEY HAVE TWO LOTS
07:23:32 OF RECORD, WHICH THEY DO, AND BOTH THOSE LOTS OF RECORD
07:23:35 ARE 90 FEET DEEP BY 50 FEET WIDE WHICH APPEARS TO BE WHAT
07:23:41 ALL THE OTHER 10 HOMES OR 10 NEIGHBORS HAVE THE SAME SIZE
07:23:48 LOT, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DENY THIS.
07:23:53 AND I APOLOGIZE TO THE NEIGHBORS FOR THAT, BUT I THINK WE
07:23:57 ARE TRULY BETWEEN THE PROVERBIAL ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
07:24:04 WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SUBSTITUTE
07:24:08 ORDINANCE AND SUBSTITUTE SITE PLAN FOR REZ 19-67, AN
07:24:17 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
07:24:19 3123 AND 3125 WEST OAKELLAR AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
07:24:24 FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM
07:24:26 ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATIONS RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
07:24:30 SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL,
07:24:32 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND
07:24:34 SPECIFICALLY THAT THE REMOVING THAT, I BELIEVE THE
07:24:41 PETITIONER HAS MET HIS BURDEN OF PROOF PROVIDING
07:24:45 SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND SHOWN IT IS CONSISTENT
07:24:48 WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CITY CODE.
07:24:53 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
07:24:55 A SECOND BY -- YES, SIR?
07:24:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR.
07:24:58 I BELIEVE THE SITE PLAN IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN?
07:25:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY MISTAKE.
07:25:09 >>LUIS VIERA: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:25:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:25:11 ANY OPPOSED?
07:25:12 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING.
07:25:16 NO SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON NOVEMBER
07:25:18 21st AT 9:30 A.M.
07:25:21 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:25:22 NEXT WE MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 2.
07:25:30 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
07:25:32 COORDINATION.
07:25:33 ITEM 2 IS ANOTHER CONTINUED ITEM.
07:25:36 ON OCTOBER 10th YOU REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
07:25:39 FROM THE CITY ARBORIST.
07:25:40 I DO HAVE A REVISED STAFF REPORT.
07:25:42 THE SITE PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED.
07:25:44 THE REVISED STAFF REPORT WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM
07:25:48 NATURAL RESOURCES.
07:25:49 >> KATHY BECK, NATURAL RESOURCES COORDINATOR.
07:26:00 AND FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE HAVE AN EVALUATION.
07:26:15 I APOLOGIZE.
07:26:16 STAFF HAS SUBMITTED A REVISED REPORT TO PROVIDE THE
07:26:21 CRITERIA FOR A GRAND TREE REMOVAL OF A NONHAZARDOUS GRAND
07:26:28 TREE. THIS PARTICULAR GRAND TREE IS A B-8, WHICH IS A
07:26:36 NONHAZARDOUS TREE AND REQUIRES WAIVER FOR APPROVAL.
07:26:41 WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR YOU ON PAGE 3 OF YOUR REVISED STAFF
07:26:44 REPORT IS PROVIDE YOU THE CRITERIA AND CONDITIONS THAT
07:26:49 NEED TO BE REVIEWED FOR REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION OF THE
07:26:52 SITE, AND AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE 3 WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU
07:26:58 STAFF'S OBSERVATIONS OF THE SITE PLAN FOR REASONABLE
07:27:02 RECONFIGURATION.
07:27:03 AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
07:27:07 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL?
07:27:08 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:27:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THE EVALUATIONS.
07:27:12 >> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.
07:27:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
07:27:19 SO B, THAT'S A GRADE 3 IS A CONDITION.
07:27:22 >> YES, SIR.
07:27:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HAVE RISK HAZARD, AN WILL.
07:27:28 IS THAT THE BULK OF THE TREE?
07:27:31 >> IF YOU LOOK ON THE BACK OF THE EVALUATION, THE RISK IS
07:27:34 DETERMINED BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE FAILURE THAT COULD
07:27:38 POTENTIALLY OCCUR WITH THE TREE.
07:27:41 AND IT'S 8 OUT OF 12.
07:27:43 THE HIGHEST POINTS WOULD BE 12.
07:27:46 THIS IS ABOUT MODERATE.
07:27:55 B, MINOR PROBLEMS WITH THE TREE.
07:27:57 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:28:01 ANYONE ELSE?
07:28:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
07:28:05 THIS IS VERY HELPFUL, KATHY.
07:28:07 >> THANK YOU.
07:28:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO 5 WOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
07:28:16 TARGET RATING.
07:28:17 TARGET RATING RATES THE USE AND OCCUPANCY OF THE AREA.
07:28:22 THE CURRENT -- IS THAT THE CURRENT USE OR THE PROPOSED
07:28:24 USE?
07:28:25 >> IT CAN BE ANY USE ON THE PROPERTY.
07:28:28 IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WOULD BE A CONSTANT USE FOR A
07:28:32 PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
07:28:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT WHEN YOU WALK UP AND SEE THIS
07:28:36 TREE, IN ITS CURRENT STATE, I IMAGINE THIS LOT HAS NEVER
07:28:42 BEEN DEVELOPED.
07:28:44 >> I BELIEVE IT HAD BEEN.
07:28:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT HAD BEEN?
07:28:47 >> YES, SIR.
07:28:48 THERE HAD BEEN A STRUCTURE THERE BEFORE.
07:28:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:28:51 I GUESS I'LL GET THE PETITIONER TO SPEAK TO THAT.
07:28:54 LET ME JUST BACK UP AND GENERALIZE THEN.
07:28:59 IF THERE HAD BEEN NO DEVELOPMENT AND YOU WALK UP AND YOU
07:29:01 SEE A TREE, HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH --
07:29:04 >> A 4?
07:29:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
07:29:07 HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH ANY TARGET RATING?
07:29:09 IF THE TARGET RATING MEANT TO BE WHAT IS THE PROPOSED
07:29:13 USE?
07:29:13 IS THAT THE TARGET RATING FOR THE PROPOSED USE?
07:29:16 >> NOT NECESSARILY.
07:29:17 IF IT WAS A VACANT LOT AND HAD NEVER BEEN USED OR WASN'T
07:29:20 NEAR A SIDEWALK OR PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, THERE WOULD NOT
07:29:22 BE A TARGET.
07:29:23 SO THE TARGET RATING WOULD BE LOW.
07:29:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:29:31 SO IN THIS CASE YOU THINK IT'S A 4 BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN --
07:29:36 >> IT HAS BEEN OCCUPIED PREVIOUSLY.
07:29:38 THERE HAD BEEN A STRUCTURE ON IT PREVIOUSLY.
07:29:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:29:43 THANK YOU.
07:29:43 >> YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.
07:29:45 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
07:29:47 >> ONE OTHER LAST QUESTION.
07:29:49 HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE TREE TO THE PROPOSED BUILDING?
07:29:56 >> IT'S IN THE CENTER OF THE PARKING LOT.
07:29:58 I BELIEVE YOU HAVE GOT THE INFORMATION ON THE SITE PLAN.
07:30:05 I DO NOT HAVE IT HERE.
07:30:12 IT WOULD NOT MEET THE PROTECTIVE RADIUS. THIS TREE HAS A
07:30:17 VERY LARGE CANOPY AND ANY PRUNING WITHIN 20 FEET WHICH I
07:30:20 BELIEVE THE EVALUATION SPEAKS TO, WOULD REQUIRE EXCESSIVE
07:30:25 PRUNING OF THE TREE.
07:30:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
07:30:26 I UNDERSTAND.
07:30:27 I READ THAT, TOO.
07:30:28 I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE
07:30:32 TREE AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING?
07:30:38 >> MAYBE 8 FEET.
07:30:40 WELL, THE NO, BECAUSE THAT'S ABOUT 12 FEET.
07:30:43 THAT'S ABOUT 5 FEET.
07:30:45 MAYBE 14, 15 FEET.
07:30:48 AND I AM DOING THAT WITH A SITE PLAN OUT OF SCALE.
07:31:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:31:01 AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU PROVIDED US SOME CONCEPTUAL PLAN?
07:31:06 >> THE PETITIONER HAD PROVIDED REASONABLE
07:31:08 RECONFIGURATION, INCLUDES THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN YOUR
07:31:16 STAFF REPORT, AND THIS PARTICULAR TREE FROM RELATION TO
07:31:23 THE SITE PLAN IS LOCATED IN THE DRIVE AISLE AND
07:31:28 INTERFERES WITH THE ADA SPACE, AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS
07:31:31 THAT WERE PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION HAVE TO HAVE THE
07:31:36 PETITIONER SPEAK TO WHY THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN.
07:31:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BECAUSE I DO SEE ONE THAT -- THE ONE
07:31:43 ATTACHED TO THE LAST PAGE ON THE BACK OF THE STAFF REPORT
07:31:48 SHOWS LOOKS LIKE A NOTCH BUILDING SPECIFICALLY TO
07:31:55 ACCOMMODATE THE TREE OF 2591 SQUARE FEET.
07:32:01 I GUESS THAT WAS COMPARED TO A LARGER BUILDING THAT THEY
07:32:03 ARE PROPOSING.
07:32:05 SO DID STAFF EVALUATE THAT CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN?
07:32:11 >> YES, SIR.
07:32:11 WE EVALUATED THE SITE PLANS AND OUR RESPONSES ARE IN BOLD
07:32:18 ON PAGE 3 AND 4 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
07:32:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DID YOU GUYS SAY ABOUT THAT
07:32:24 PARTICULAR CONCEPTUAL PLAN WHERE THEY NOTCH THE BUILDING?
07:32:28 >> WE BASICALLY -- WE RESPOND TO WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.
07:32:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
07:32:38 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
07:32:39 >> THE PROPOSAL THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THE SITE
07:32:44 PLAN THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE
07:32:46 RESPONDED TO.
07:32:49 THE PETITIONER WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THEY
07:32:51 COULDN'T DO THEM.
07:32:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S THE POINT OF THEM SUBMITTING A
07:32:55 CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THEN?
07:32:57 >> THEY SUBMITTED THEM, I GUESS, TO --
07:33:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN IF WE ARE NOT REVIEWING THEM.
07:33:03 >> MR. BRICKLE MAYOR WILL HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU.
07:33:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FABRIC.
07:33:10 >> PART OF THE REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION.
07:33:13 WHAT COULD YOU DO TO SAVE THE TREE?
07:33:15 AND I GUESS THESE WERE NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT.
07:33:20 THAT'S ALL I CAN ASSUME.
07:33:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LOOKING AT THIS NOW, COULD THIS HAVE
07:33:22 BEEN ACCEPTABLE TO STAFF?
07:33:24 >> YES.
07:33:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS AN ALTERNATIVE?
07:33:27 >> YES.
07:33:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
07:33:29 THANK YOU.
07:33:29 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
07:33:31 ANYONE ELSE?
07:33:32 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
07:33:33 APPLICANT?
07:33:34 >> GOOD EVENING.
07:33:41 CRAIG BRICKLEMYER, BRICKLEMYER LAW GROUP.
07:33:45 I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE WHERE TO START.
07:33:50 I'LL JUST SUM UP, AND I IMAGINE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS
07:33:54 A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
07:33:58 I BROUGHT THIS EXHIBIT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS HELPFUL.
07:34:04 THAT'S THE PROTECTIVE RADIUS UNDER OUR CURRENT PROPOSED
07:34:09 PLAN.
07:34:12 AND IT SHOWS THAT IF YOU RECONFIGURE IT, AND YOU CAN SEE
07:34:15 THE RECONFIGURATION.
07:34:16 IF YOU ARE POINTING OUT THE ONE RECONFIGURATION, THAT IS
07:34:20 A 20% REDUCTION IN BUILDING SIZE.
07:34:23 THAT IS ANOTHER FEW PARKING SPACES GONE.
07:34:26 AND YOU ARE STILL BUILDING -- YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
07:34:29 PRUNE THE TREE SIGNIFICANTLY TO GET THAT BUILDING TO FIT
07:34:32 UNDERNEATH.
07:34:33 YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO PULL UP THE ROOTS.
07:34:37 AND YOU HAVE GOT PARKING LOT, PAVED OVER THE TOP.
07:34:40 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE IS YOU ARE GOING TO END UP
07:34:42 CREATING A HAZARDOUS TREE THROUGH THE CONE INSTRUCTION
07:34:46 PROCESS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO AVOID THAT.
07:34:48 AS A RESULT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS WHAT YOU HAVE
07:34:51 PROPOSED IN FRONT OF YOU.
07:34:54 THAT TREE CUTS OFF MOST OF THE USE OF THE BACK HALF OF
07:34:57 THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
07:35:00 IT IS A B.
07:35:03 IT'S NOT AN A.
07:35:04 AND THERE IS AS YOU KNOW BARELY SIGNIFICANT LITIGATION --
07:35:10 MITIGATION REQUIRED.
07:35:10 I HEARD MR. MICHELINI SAY LET'S PLANT SOME NEW TREES IN
07:35:14 USABLE SPACES THAT CAN GROW UP AND BE NICE PRETTY TREES
07:35:17 AND LET THIS GO BY THE WAYSIDE SO.
07:35:22 THIS SITE WAS DEVELOPED.
07:35:24 IT HAD TWO OLD HOMES ON IT.
07:35:25 THE FIRST THING I DID WAS SHEPHERD THROUGH CODE
07:35:28 ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE DEMOLISHED.
07:35:31 SO WE HAVE THE DOCTOR WHO WOULD LIKE TO OPEN A PRACTICE,
07:35:36 WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT TO COME UP
07:35:39 WITH THIS PLAN THAT I THINK MEETS THE REASONABLE
07:35:43 CONFIGURATION STANDARD THAT ARE IN THE CODE, BECAUSE WE
07:35:46 ARE BEYOND REASONABLE CONFIGURATION.
07:35:49 THAT IS OBVIOUSLY MY OPINION.
07:35:51 I WOULD ASK FOR YOU ALL.
07:35:55 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
07:35:57 >> JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
07:35:59 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:35:59 ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
07:36:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE SHOWING THAT MARTIN LUTHER
07:36:07 KING IS TOWARD THE BOTTOM, RIGHT?
07:36:09 THE TREE IS CLOSER TO THE FRONT OR THE BACK?
07:36:13 >> THE TREE IS CLOSER TO THE BACK.
07:36:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES THAT WERE
07:36:18 THERE BEFORE --
07:36:19 >> SITTING RIGHT BETWEEN THEM.
07:36:21 ACTUALLY THE LIMBS WERE ON TOP OF THE ROOFS.
07:36:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW DEEP IS THIS LOT?
07:36:27 AT THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE AT THE END?
07:36:32 I WOULD HAVE MY STAFF --
07:36:36 >> MORE IN THE MIDDLE AND NOT AS FAR BACK AS IT APPEARS.
07:36:39 IT APPEARS MORE IN THE MIDDLE.
07:36:41 >> IT IS QUITE CENTRAL, UNFORTUNATELY.
07:36:45 GREW UP THERE AS A RESULT OF IT BEING TWO STRUCTURES
07:36:48 WHICH I FEEL DAVID MOVING BEHIND ME.
07:36:52 THE DISTANCE IS 130 FEET.
07:36:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
07:36:55 >> AND THE TREE STRETCHES ALL THE WAY FROM BOUNDARY TO
07:36:59 BOUNDARY EAST TO WEST.
07:37:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO REALLY WHAT CAN YOU DO IS THE
07:37:04 QUESTION.
07:37:04 YOU ARE STUCK WITH -- OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:37:11 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYONE ELSE?
07:37:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
07:37:15 THANK YOU, MR. BRICKLEMYER.
07:37:17 MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU HAND TO STAFF THE LAST PAGE OF
07:37:24 THE --
07:37:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH STAFF MEMBER?
07:37:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYBODY THAT WILL PUT IT UP ON THE
07:37:30 ELMO.
07:37:31 AND MAYBE MS. BECK COULD COME BACK.
07:37:37 MS. BECK? I'M SORRY.
07:37:46 >> YES, SIR.
07:37:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO EARLIER, AND MR. MANISCALCO SPEAKS
07:37:53 TO YOUR COMMENTS, BECAUSE YOU ASKED IF THERE'S NOTHING
07:37:58 ELSE THEY COULD DO.
07:37:59 WELL, THEY DREW THIS PICTURE, THE BUN THAT'S ON THE ELMO.
07:38:07 I THINK BUILDING THEY ARE APPLYING FOR, WITH 3,000 SQUARE
07:38:11 FEET WITH THE NOTCH OUT OF IT COMES OUT TO 2500 SQUARE
07:38:14 FEET, BUT IT DOES SAVE THIS GRAND TREE.
07:38:17 >> YES, SIR.
07:38:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOW JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE
07:38:23 THERE WAS CONFUSION AT THE LAST HEARING AS WELL, THIS
07:38:26 DOES NOT FALL INTO THAT TREE REMOVAL CONE AT ALL.
07:38:33 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
07:38:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY?
07:38:35 >> TOO LARGE OF A SITE.
07:38:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LOT IS TOO BIG.
07:38:38 SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE EITHER?
07:38:41 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
07:38:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO LEGAL STAFF -- THANK YOU, KATHY
07:38:45 BECK.
07:38:46 SO NOW, IF THAT'S NOT A TRZ ISSUE, THEN WHAT IS THE OUR
07:38:51 STANDARD IN TERMS OF MAKING THE DECISION ABOUT
07:38:58 ALTERNATIVE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES TO SAVE
07:39:02 THE TREE?
07:39:03 THIS IS NOT A NEW DISCUSSION.
07:39:05 THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 20 YEARS.
07:39:10 MAYBE IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT LET UP A LITTLE BIT IN
07:39:12 RECENT YEARS BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.
07:39:15 >>REBECCA KERT: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
07:39:17 IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 37 AND 4 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, THE
07:39:25 REVIEW THAT IS PROVIDING WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE.
07:39:28 SO YOU ARE TO LOOK AT THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING
07:39:31 STRUCTURE ON THE IMPACTED TREE, AND TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT
07:39:35 IT EXTEND TO THE TREE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED BUILDING CAN
07:39:41 BE RECONFIGURED.
07:39:44 WHETHER THE REDUCTION OF REQUIRED SETBACKS FOR THE
07:39:46 PRIMARY BUILDING STRUCTURE WILL ALLOW THE RELOCATION OF
07:39:48 THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE.
07:39:50 WHETHER THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS THAT
07:39:53 CAN BE USED.
07:39:54 AND THEN THE COST OF UTILIZING THOSE CONSTRUCTION
07:39:57 METHODS, BALANCED WITH THE HEALTH OF THE TREE.
07:40:00 IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE FOCUSING ON.
07:40:03 AND AS FAR AS RECONFIGURATION, THIS CODE EXPRESSLY
07:40:09 PROVIDES SIMILAR THINGS THAT ARE NOT REASONABLE.
07:40:23 YOU CANNOT REQUIRE THAT THE STRUCTURE IS MORE THAN
07:40:26 ALLOWED BY DESIGN EXCEPTION.
07:40:29 YOU CANNOT REQUIRE THERE BE A CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF
07:40:31 STORIES OR THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE, IF IT IS
07:40:36 INCREASED ANY MORE THAN DESIGN EXCEPTION, AND THE
07:40:38 INTERNAL STRUCTURE IS NOTE ALTERED BY THE
07:40:41 RECONFIGURATION.
07:40:42 SO THEY ARE PROPOSING THE STRUCTURE.
07:40:44 IT IS NOT A REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION TO SHRINK THE
07:40:48 STRUCTURE.
07:40:49 YOU CAN ASK THEM TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE AS MUCH AS ALLOWED
07:40:53 BY CODE, ADMINISTRATIVE DESIGN, ET CETERA.
07:40:58 YOU CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO GET A VARIANCE, OR SOMETHING
07:41:01 ELSE.
07:41:04 THE CODE REALLY LIMITS REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION AND
07:41:08 TELLS WHAT YOU THAT IS.
07:41:09 IF THAT IS NOT MET, THEN IT'S NOT REASONABLE
07:41:12 CONFIGURATION AND THE TREE COMES OUT.
07:41:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE NEW CODE OPEN-
07:41:16 >>REBECCA KERT: THE NEW CODE, YES.
07:41:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE NEW CODE -- BECAUSE I DON'T NOT
07:41:21 BELIEVE THAT IS THE WAY THE OLD CODE WAS.
07:41:23 >>REBECCA KERT: THAT IS NOT HOW THE OLD CODE WAS.
07:41:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS NEW CODE SAYS BASICALLY THE
07:41:28 DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND PUT THE MAXIMUM SIZE BUILDING
07:41:30 THEY WANT TO AND IF THAT HAPPENS TO INTERFERE REQUEST THE
07:41:33 TREE, THEN WE ARE LEFT WITH THESE OTHER ISSUES.
07:41:37 BUT WE CAN'T SUGGEST OR IMPOSE ON THEM TO SHRINK DOWN
07:41:43 THAT BUILDING A LITTLE BIT TO ACCOMMODATE THE TREE?
07:41:46 >>REBECCA KERT: NO.
07:41:46 YOU CAN LOOK AT REASONABLE CONFIGURATION OF WHAT THEY ARE
07:41:49 PROPOSING AND YOU CAN LOOK AT WHETHER THE ALTERNATIVE
07:41:52 CONSTRUCTION METHODS, AND WHETHER THE COST OF THOSE
07:41:54 METHODS, HOW THAT COMPARES IN BALANCING THAT WITH THE
07:41:57 HEALTH OF THE TREE.
07:41:58 SO IF YOU HAD EXTENSIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS AND A VERY
07:42:03 UNHEALTHY TREE, THEN PROBABLY YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO DO
07:42:06 THE ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHOD, BUT THEY WERE VERY
07:42:09 EXTENSIVE AND VERY POOR TREE, THEN PROBABLY THE TREE
07:42:11 WOULD NEED TO COME OUT.
07:42:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
07:42:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
07:42:23 TOO MANY TREES, MAN.
07:42:24 OKAY.
07:42:28 NOW, STAFF HAS COME UP WITH A CONCEPTUAL SITE, CORRECT?
07:42:36 >>REBECCA KERT: NO, I BELIEVE IT'S PRESENTED BY THE
07:42:39 APPLICANT.
07:42:39 THE APPLICANT TRIED TO SHOW THAT THEY LOOKED AT
07:42:42 ALTERNATIVE DESIGN AND THAT THEY WOULDN'T WORK.
07:42:46 THAT'S THE PROCESS AS ENVISIONED.
07:42:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S THE POINT?
07:42:52 >> OKAY.
07:42:56 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
07:42:59 OKAY.
07:43:00 IF ANYBODY IS HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 2,
07:43:03 PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
07:43:10 >> BOB WHITMORE, 3111 HAWTHORNE ROAD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
07:43:12 OF CITY TREE, CDC'S ACTION GROUP.
07:43:17 I'LL SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP FOR C-9 BUT I WON'T STAY QUIET
07:43:20 FOR A B.
07:43:21 THIS TREE NEEDS TO STAY BECAUSE IT'S HEALTHY, AND IT'S
07:43:25 ONE OF THE TREES THAT CITY COUNCILS BEFORE YOU AND CITY
07:43:28 FATHERS AND FOUNDERS OF THIS CITY SAW FIT TO PROTECT.
07:43:33 THERE'S A REASON WE DO IT.
07:43:34 WE SAY THESE TREES ARE GIVING ME A HEADACHE.
07:43:37 THESE TREES DEFINE US.
07:43:39 THEY ARE MARKETING TOOLS.
07:43:41 THEY ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE LOOK AT WHEN THEY FLY IN
07:43:44 TO TAMPA AND THEY SAY, LOOK AT ALL THE TREES.
07:43:47 WE ARE A TREE CITY FOR A REASON.
07:43:49 WE ARE SEE SEEN AS AN URBAN FOREST BY OTHER CITIES ALL
07:43:54 AROUND THE UNITED STATES WHO ARE LOOKING AT US AND HOW DO
07:43:57 WE PROTECT OUR TREES?
07:44:00 I'M NOT A TREE HUGGER.
07:44:02 THAT'S A DEROGATORY STATEMENT.
07:44:04 DON'T CALL ME A TREE HUGGER.
07:44:06 I AM A CITIZEN WHO BELIEVES THAT TREES DEFINE US, THEY
07:44:10 ARE MARKETING TOOLS, AND THEY MAKE TAMPA WHAT THEY ARE.
07:44:14 AND IF WE JUST SAY WE WILL GO AHEAD AND WE WILL PAVE OVER
07:44:18 THESE TREES WHEREVER WE SEE FIT, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S
07:44:23 DIRT THERE AND A BUILDABLE LOT, IT'S A BUILDABLE LOT
07:44:26 BECAUSE IT'S GOT DIRT AND I CAN PUT A FOUNDATION DOWN ON
07:44:28 IT?
07:44:28 I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A TREE THERE.
07:44:30 I SAY IT IS NOT A BUILDABLE LOT IF THERE'S A PROTECTED
07:44:33 TREE ON IT.
07:44:34 ZERO.
07:44:36 NO TOLERANCE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOT A PROTECTED TREE ON
07:44:41 IT WITH A BUILDABLE LOT.
07:44:42 THE PEOPLE IN QUESTION, THE BUILDERS IN EQUIP HAVE A
07:44:45 RECONFIGURATION THAT KATHY BECK WHO I ALREADY SAID I
07:44:49 RESPECT IMMENSELY FOR THE WORK SHE'S DONE TO SAVE TREES,
07:44:52 SAYS THAT SHE THINKS THAT PERHAPS THIS MIGHT BE A
07:44:54 SOLUTION.
07:44:55 I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO DO WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY HAVE
07:44:59 A QUESTION THAT THEY CAN'T AGREE ON, AND THEY ASK FOR
07:45:03 MORE INFORMATION.
07:45:07 IT'S ONLY ONE TREE.
07:45:09 THEN ONE TREE.
07:45:10 THEN ANOTHER TREE.
07:45:11 THEN ANOTHER TREE.
07:45:12 AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, WE HAVE GOT NO GRAND OAKS.
07:45:16 SURE, WE CAN PLANT TREES AND WAIT 90 YEARS UNTIL MY
07:45:20 DAUGHTER AND MY GRANDDAUGHTER CAN SEE GRAND OAKS AGAIN.
07:45:23 GRAND OAKS DEFINE TAMPA.
07:45:27 THEY ARE SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT.
07:45:29 IT'S A MARKETING TOOL.
07:45:31 IT'S IMPORTANT TO US.
07:45:32 SO I AM NOT HERE TO GET IN THE WAY OF COMMERCE.
07:45:35 I AM NOT HERE TO STOP BUILDERS.
07:45:36 MY DAD WAS A BUILDER.
07:45:39 I'M HERE TO PROTECT WHAT TAMPA HAS, AND TAMPA HAS GRAND
07:45:44 OAKS, AND TO PROTECT THEM, IF THE NEW RULES SAY THAT WE
07:45:49 CAN MOW THEM DOWN THEN THE NEW FIGHT STARTS RIGHT HERE AT
07:45:53 THIS PODIUM.
07:45:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH IT.
07:45:55 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
07:45:56 ANYONE ELSE?
07:45:56 >> CINZIA DUNCAN, WEST BARCELONA, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
07:46:05 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
07:46:06 SO REASONABLE RECONFIGURATION, YOU GUYS HAVE A TOOL BOX
07:46:09 FULL OF THINGS, NATURAL RESOURCES HAS A TOOL BOX, THE
07:46:12 CITY HAS A TOOL BOX OF THINGS WE CAN DO TO TRY TO SAVE
07:46:15 TREES.
07:46:16 THE TREE REMOVAL ZONE IS A ON A LOT LITTLE, TREES IN THE
07:46:21 MIDDLE CAN'T BE SAVED.
07:46:22 THE BIGGER LOTS WHERE YOU HAVE ROOM TO MANEUVER, WE
07:46:26 CREATED THESE CREATIVE SETBACKS.
07:46:28 SO THAT TO ME IS THE BIGGEST TOOL THAT YOU HAVE.
07:46:30 SO YOU CAN PRUNE THE ROOTS AND GET CLOSER.
07:46:33 YOU CAN MOVE THAT 20-FOOT BARRICADE CLOSER TO THE TREE.
07:46:36 THAT HELPS UP WITH THE FOUNDATION.
07:46:38 NATURAL RESOURCES WILL TELL US CAN YOU PRUNE THE LIMB?
07:46:41 HOW MUCH WITHOUT KILLING THE TREE?
07:46:43 CAN YOU UTILIZE ALTERNATE CONSTRUCTION METHODS THAT ARE
07:46:46 REASONABLE?
07:46:46 YOU KNOW, COSTWISE.
07:46:48 AND SO NATURAL RESOURCES WILL TELL US THAT.
07:46:51 THEN YOU LOOK AT SHIFTING THE HOUSE, RECONFIGURING THE
07:46:54 HOUSE.
07:46:55 THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SAVE A
07:46:58 TREE.
07:47:02 IF IT'S IN THE CORNER YOU CAN SAVE THOSE TREES BECAUSE
07:47:04 THIS YELLOW REPRESENTS THE ADMINISTRATIVE SETBACKS THAT
07:47:07 WE GIVE TO TREES.
07:47:08 YOU CAN NOW GO FURTHER IN THE FRONT, GO FURTHER IN THE
07:47:12 BACK, YOU CAN GO A LITTLE BIT ON THE SIDES AND SAVE EXTRA
07:47:17 SQUARE FOOTAGE.
07:47:17 SO IN THIS SCENARIO, THERE'S 928 SQUARE FEET AVAILABLE OF
07:47:24 ADDITIONAL SPACE IF YOU EXPAND TO THE BACKYARD, THE FRONT
07:47:27 YARD.
07:47:27 THIS IS A SMALL AMOUNT ALLOWED TO SAVE A GRAND SPECIMEN
07:47:33 TREE.
07:47:34 SO THE QUESTION BECOMES AFTER YOU HAVE DONE ALL THE TOOLS
07:47:37 IN YOUR TOOL BOX AND YOU HAVE EXPANDED THAT BUILDING, YOU
07:47:40 SEE THIS IS L-SHAPED.
07:47:42 IF YOU HAD THE KNOCK OUT THE CORNER TO SAVE THAT TREE.
07:47:46 EVERY LOT IS UNIQUE.
07:47:47 EVERY TREE IS UNIQUE.
07:47:49 THAT'S WHY NATURAL RESOURCES HAS TO TELL US, YOU KNOW.
07:47:51 IF THERE'S A GIANT LIMB COMING OFF THIS TREE OVER HERE,
07:47:54 FORGET IT.
07:47:55 THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, RIGHT?
07:47:58 AND THEY SAY OUT CAN'T PRUNE IT.
07:48:00 SO LIKE I SAID, AFTER YOU HAVE APPLIED ALL YOUR TOOLS AND
07:48:04 WE HAVE EXPANDED INTO THE SETBACKS, THE ONLY THING LEFT
07:48:07 TO DO IS SHRINK THE BUILDING.
07:48:11 YOU GUYS NEED TO DECIDE HOW MANY SHRINKAGE OF A YOU HAVE
07:48:15 TRIED ALL THE TRICKS AND TOOLS YOU CAN TO SAVE THE TREE,
07:48:19 AND THE OPENING THICK LEFT TO SAVE IT IS SHRINKING THAT
07:48:22 BUILDING, HOW MUCH IS REASONABLE?
07:48:25 I DON'T ENVY YOU MAKING THAT DECISION.
07:48:27 BUT AFTER EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT COMES
07:48:31 DOWN TO.
07:48:32 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
07:48:34 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
07:48:35 COUNCILMAN GUDES HAD A QUESTION, I BELIEVE.
07:48:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. BECK.
07:48:45 >> YES, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
07:48:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU MET WITH THE PETITIONERS HOW WE
07:48:52 CAN MAKE THIS WORK OR HOW WE CAN WORK?
07:48:55 >> I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT, SIR, NO.
07:49:02 I WOULD HAVE TO ASK.
07:49:03 HAVE YOU MET?
07:49:03 JUST DURING THE DRC.
07:49:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MEAN, WHEN YOU HEAR EVERYTHING, I
07:49:08 ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY WHAT WE CAN, WHAT CAN WE DO?
07:49:14 AND I THINK SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE OR TRY TO
07:49:20 MAKE A DEAL WORK.
07:49:21 AND THIS ONE HERE IS KIND OF TOUGH HERE SO THAT'S WHY I
07:49:24 ASKED.
07:49:24 HAS HE MET WITH NATURAL RESOURCES OR STAFF TO SEE HOW WE
07:49:28 CAN MAKE THIS WORK?
07:49:30 SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT THINGS, SO I'M HOPING
07:49:35 THAT MR. BRICKLEMYER WILL CONSIDER MAYBE TALKING THIS
07:49:38 OVER, SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
07:49:42 BEFORE THE DECISION HAS TO BE MADE.
07:49:43 >> THANK YOU.
07:49:46 >>REBECCA KERT: I APOLOGIZE.
07:49:51 I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE HAVING
07:49:53 EARLIER.
07:49:54 AND THE CODE DOES ALLOW YOU TO DO PLACEMENT ORIENTATION.
07:49:58 IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO DENY THIS ON THE STRUCTURE SIZE THAT
07:50:03 THEY CAN'T ALTER IT BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT INTERRUPTS
07:50:10 OR THE INTERNAL FLOW OR FUNCTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
07:50:12 IT CANNOT BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED.
07:50:15 I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I THINK I MAY HAVE LEFT
07:50:19 A MISCONCEPTION WHEN I SPOKE EARLIER.
07:50:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: INTERNAL FLOW FOR THE --
07:50:24 >>REBECCA KERT: FUNCTION.
07:50:25 YOU ALSO CANNOT MAKE THEM TAKE IT DOWN A STORY AND THIS
07:50:30 ISN'T THE CASE HERE.
07:50:31 BUT BASICALLY THE SIZE CAN BE CHANGED BUT IT CAN'T BE
07:50:34 CHANGED SUCH THAT IT AFFECTS THE INTERNAL FLOW OR
07:50:37 FUNCTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
07:50:39 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE REBUTTAL?
07:50:41 OKAY.
07:50:41 REBUTTAL?
07:50:42 >> CLAYTON BRICKLEMYER AGAIN.
07:50:56 AT THE RISK OF MAKING IT WORSE, THIS IS THE TREE THAT OUR
07:51:02 ARBORIST DID.
07:51:07 I HAVE REALLY, REALLY PRETTY TREES, A-ZERO MY YARD AT
07:51:12 HOME THAT I HAVE DONE A LOT OF EFFORT TO TAKE CARE OF.
07:51:16 I UNDERSTAND -- WE WERE NEVER DISPUTING THAT IT DOESN'T
07:51:22 QUALIFY, IT'S NOT AT 35 INCHES OR WHATEVER IF REQUIRED
07:51:25 NUMBER IS.
07:51:27 THE F.A.R. ALLOWS OUR CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT A 1.
07:51:32 WE ARE PROPOSING A .24 WITH THIS BUILDING.
07:51:35 WE ARE NOT MAXING ANYTHING UTE.
07:51:38 AND I MEAN MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SHOWN UP WITH THE FIRST
07:51:41 PLAN THAT JUST COMPLETELY PAVES OVER THE WHOLE THING.
07:51:46 WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
07:51:47 THIS IS THE RESULT OF COMPROMISE.
07:51:50 WE HAVE MET WITH NATURAL RESOURCES.
07:51:52 I KNOW MR. BELLFOX WITH NATURAL RESOURCES, I THINK,
07:51:59 YESTERDAY.
07:52:00 WE HAVE DONE THE WORK.
07:52:01 THIS IS A COMPROMISE THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.
07:52:04 THAT TREE IS GOING TO BE -- IT WILL BE IMPACTED BY ANY
07:52:10 DESIGN WE DO.
07:52:11 THE CANOPY IS THE ENTIRETY OF THE LOT.
07:52:15 WE CAN'T GO UP.
07:52:16 WE CAN'T CHANGE THE NOTCHING.
07:52:19 ALL WE CAN DO -- AND IT'S CORRECT, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO
07:52:22 SHRINK IT BEYOND WHAT YOU EVEN SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT TO
07:52:25 MAKE THIS ACTUALLY WORK AND GET EVERYBODY HAPPY.
07:52:28 AND IT'S RAILROAD A .24.
07:52:30 IT'S JUST NOT A FEASIBLE PROJECT ANYMORE.
07:52:34 YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST PUT UP A FOOD TRUCK, WHICH IS
07:52:38 WHAT YOU ARE -- OR A PARK, I GUESS, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO
07:52:41 BUY IT.
07:52:42 I'M SURE I COULD PASS THAT ALONG.
07:52:44 BUT WE ARE ASKING FOR A .24, WHICH IS A 75 REDUCTION IN
07:52:49 MAXIMUM F.A.R.
07:52:51 THE ANSWER TO THE CRITERIA, AND THE REASONABLE
07:52:56 CONFIGURATION, THERE ARE NO DESIGN EXCEPTIONS THAT HELP
07:53:00 US GET THERE.
07:53:00 WE CAN'T THE HEIGHT.
07:53:02 WE ARE ALREADY AT THE LOWEST HEIGHT WE CAN MANAGE.
07:53:05 THE FLOW AND FUNCTION REQUIRED THAT WE HAVE A PARKING LOT
07:53:07 THAT WORKS AND CAN PARK ENOUGH CARS THAT WE CAN HAVE
07:53:11 PEOPLE COME IN THE DOOR.
07:53:13 AND IT HAS TO BE BIG ENOUGH, LESS THAN 3 THAT YOU FEET.
07:53:17 THIS IS NOT A GIANT BUILDING.
07:53:20 THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
07:53:22 I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
07:53:24 I HOPE THAT YOU ALL SEE FIT TO LET DOUSE THIS PROJECT.
07:53:29 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
07:53:30 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
07:53:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BRICKLEMYER, DO YOU HAVE THAT
07:53:34 DRAWING THAT YOU -- YOUR CLIENT OR LANDMARK DREW THAT WAS
07:53:40 UP THERE BEFORE?
07:53:42 >> WHICH ONE?
07:53:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE CONCEPTUAL.
07:53:48 THE ONE WITH THE NOTCH.
07:53:54 REBECCA, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
07:53:56 >> I BELIEVE THIS ONE.
07:54:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
07:54:06 WHERE IS THE STREET?
07:54:08 >> THAT WOULD BE TREE IS HERE.
07:54:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOUR INITIAL EGRESS AND INGRESS IS
07:54:17 FINE AND UNCHANGED.
07:54:18 >> CORRECT.
07:54:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
07:54:20 AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE YOU SHOWING HERE COMPARED
07:54:25 TO THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU PREFER?
07:54:30 >> I THINK I COUNTED 14.
07:54:38 14.
07:54:38 >> WHERE IS YOUR HANDICAP?
07:54:40 >> IT LOOKS LIKE THERE.
07:54:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE THE ENGINEER WITH YOU?
07:54:49 OKAY.
07:54:52 BEING A LAWYER, I CAN SAY THAT.
07:54:55 SO I ASSUME YOU DREW THIS AS A POSSIBILITY?
07:54:59 >> YES, WE DREW THIS JUST GOING BACK --
07:55:02 >> AND YOUR NAME?
07:55:03 >> DAVID BILEY, PALM RIVER ROAD, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33619.
07:55:11 THIS WAS A PLAN THAT WAS DRAWN.
07:55:16 MY CLIENT BOUGHT THIS LAND THINKING THERE'S DOCTORS'
07:55:20 OFFICES ALL AROUND IT.
07:55:21 THERE'S RETAIL ON THE EAST SIDE.
07:55:23 THERE'S DOCTORS' OFFICE'S DOWN THE STREET.
07:55:25 HE PURCHASED THE LAND.
07:55:27 AND WANTED TO DEVELOP ON IT.
07:55:30 WE BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION UNDER THE OLD TREE
07:55:32 CODE IN 2018, WE HAD A TREE SURVEY DONE, AND THE TREE
07:55:38 ANALYSIS, WE CAME UP WITH SOME CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS TO
07:55:45 DISCUSS WITH NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF AT THAT TIME, AND
07:55:48 DETERMINED WHAT COULD OR COULD NOT BE DONE.
07:55:53 THERE ARE MAJOR LIMB STRUCTURES ON THIS TREE.
07:55:57 AND EVEN THIS SITE, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE DOABLE, IS GOING
07:56:01 TO IMPACT THE TREE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
07:56:06 IT ALSO DOES NOT PROVIDE THE NECESSARY 3 THAT YOU SQUARE
07:56:09 FEET THAT MY CLIENT NEEDS FOR HIS PRACTICE.
07:56:12 IF HE CAN'T GET THE ROOM TO SEE PATIENTS, THIS IS NOT A
07:56:19 VIABLE SOLUTION, AND THEN REALLY THERE'S NOT MANY OTHER
07:56:23 OPTIONS.
07:56:24 ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS EAST AND WEST, THEY ARE ALL ZERO
07:56:27 LOT SETBACKS ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE ALLEY TO THE
07:56:31 REAR, ALL THE PARKING IN FRONT.
07:56:34 THIS SITE PLAN, YES, DOES MEET THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S
07:56:38 REQUIREMENT OF WANTING THE BUILDING UP FRONT BUT IT
07:56:41 DOESN'T MEET THE SIZE REQUIREMENT.
07:56:43 SO WE CAN'T GO UP.
07:56:45 IF WE KEPT THIS PLAN, TRYING TO GET 3,000, WE WOULDN'T BE
07:56:49 ABLE TO HAVE A SECOND STORY TO GET THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE
07:56:53 FOOTAGE BECAUSE THE LIMB STRUCTURES OF THE TREE.
07:56:56 THE TREE SPREADS OVER THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN TWO-THIRDS OF
07:57:00 THE SITE.
07:57:02 100-FOOT WIDE LIMB STRUCTURE.
07:57:04 IT'S JUST IN THE WRONG SPOT.
07:57:06 IF IT WAS IN ANY OTHER SPOT ON THE SITE WE PROBABLY COULD
07:57:08 WORK WITH IT BUT IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
07:57:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ARE TESTIFYING THAT EVEN THOUGH
07:57:16 A 20-FOOT RADIUS IS SATISFIED BY THIS DRAWING THAT THE
07:57:19 TREE STILL, WHAT, HITS THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING?
07:57:25 >> I HAVE NOT DONE THAT MODEL BUT IT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE
07:57:27 TO HITTING IT.
07:57:28 AND WE CAN'T GO TWO STORIES TO GET THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE
07:57:32 FOOTAGE THAT IS NEEDED.
07:57:34 WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE HOUSES WERE REMOVED WERE TWO
07:57:38 VERY SMALL HOUSES THAT WERE DILAPIDATED AND VACANT
07:57:44 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL HOUSES IN THE
07:57:46 NEIGHBORHOOD.
07:57:47 ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD.
07:57:49 EVERYTHING ELSE IS COMMERCIAL.
07:57:51 IT WAS O-1 AND HAS BEEN BUILT ON IT BECAUSE OF THIS TREE.
07:58:03 RO-1.
07:58:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS YOUR CLIENT HERE TONIGHT, THE
07:58:07 DOCTOR?
07:58:08 >> NO, SIR.
07:58:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BECAUSE YOU ARE TESTIFYING THAT THE
07:58:11 DOCTOR CAN'T LIVE WITH 2500.
07:58:16 AND 91 SQUARE FEET.
07:58:17 >> WHEN WE WORKED ON THE SITE PLAN IN 2018, WE PROVIDED
07:58:22 HE NEEDED 3 THAT YOU.
07:58:23 AND THAT'S WHAT WAS DRAWN.
07:58:26 AND IF I COULD GET THE 3,000 BY GOING UP, YOU KNOW.
07:58:31 BUT YOU CAN'T JUST BUILD A TWO-STORY ON THIS ONE LITTLE
07:58:34 SECTION OF THE BUILDING.
07:58:35 THE BUILDING JUST WON'T -- YOU CAN'T GET A TWO STORY
07:58:39 BUILDING THERE.
07:58:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT PARKING
07:58:42 UNDERNEATH.
07:58:42 >> NO, THE TREE LIMBS.
07:58:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, NO, I AM SAYING IF YOU PUSHED THE
07:58:48 WHOLE THING TOWARD THE STREET, DROVE UNDERNEATH AS YOU
07:58:50 COME IN FROM THE STREET.
07:58:53 THAT DOES SOUND A LITTLE MORE THAN THE DOCTOR WAS
07:58:57 PROBABLY AIMING FOR.
07:58:58 >> THAT'S VERY EXTREME, AND --
07:59:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M ACTUALLY AGREEING WITH YOU.
07:59:06 >> YES, SIR.
07:59:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I NEVER DID HEAR HOW MANY PARKING
07:59:11 SPACES IS IN THE FINAL PLAN.
07:59:13 >> 18 REQUIRED AND WE ARE PROVIDING 16.
07:59:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 16.
07:59:24 AND THIS IS 14?
07:59:25 >> YES.
07:59:26 >>LUIS VIERA: ANYTHING FURTHER?
07:59:28 OKAY.
07:59:29 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
07:59:32 MOTION TO CLOSE BY CITY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
07:59:34 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
07:59:35 ALL IN FAVOR?
07:59:36 ANY OPPOSED?
07:59:37 OKAY.
07:59:38 COUNCILMAN GUDES, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE TAKING THIS, SIR?
07:59:46 AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS,
07:59:49 BECAUSE I WAS VERY CONFUSED BY THIS THE FIRST COUPLE
07:59:51 MONTHS, IF THE CHAIR ASKS YOU TO READ SOMETHING AND YOU
07:59:55 ARE VOTING NO, THEN YOU MAY SAY I AM NOT COMFORTABLE
07:59:59 TAKING THIS.
07:59:59 THAT'S ALL.
08:00:00 JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.
08:00:01 BUT IF YOU ARE, YOU MAY READ IT.
08:00:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR PURPOSES, I KNOW
08:00:09 THAT WE HAD ONE OF THE PETITIONERS WITNESSES GIVE THE
08:00:13 LAST COMMENTS BUT I WANTED TO KNOW IF MR. BRICKLEMYER HAD
08:00:16 ANYTHING ELSE.
08:00:17 HE SAID NO SO THERE'S NO NEED TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
08:00:20 GO AHEAD, SIR.
08:00:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY, THE WRONG ONE.
08:00:30 NUMBER 2?
08:00:36 FILE NUMBER REZ 19-76.
08:00:40 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
08:00:42 CONSIDERATION.
08:00:43 AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
08:00:47 710 AND 712 WEST DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BOULEVARD IN
08:00:51 THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
08:00:53 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
08:00:55 CLASSIFICATION RO-1 RESIDENTIAL OFFICE TOP PD PLANNED
08:01:00 DEVELOPMENT, MEDICAL OFFICE AND BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
08:01:02 OFFICE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
08:01:04 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
08:01:06 SECONDED BY -- YES, SIR?
08:01:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A QUICK COMMENT ON THE MOTION.
08:01:12 I DO BELIEVE THAT I THINK THIS IS A CLOSE CALL.
08:01:17 I APPRECIATE MS. KERT POINTED OUT IT THE FACT THAT NOT
08:01:21 ONLY CAN WE ADDRESS RECONFIGURE FIGURE RATION BUT WE CAN
08:01:23 ADDRESS A REASONABLE SHRINKAGE OF THE BUILDING.
08:01:28 IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ACTUALLY 409, I THINK, FEET LESS
08:01:36 THAN THE 3,000 THAT THE DOCTOR ALLEGEDLY WANTS OR NEEDS.
08:01:42 COMPARE THAT TO THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY SAID THIS MIGHT BE
08:01:46 A 90-YEAR-OLD TREE, WE SAW A PICTURE OF THE TREE, IT'S IN
08:01:51 GOOD SHAPE.
08:01:52 WE HAVE TESTIMONY FROM OUR TREE FOLKS THAT THIS WOULD BE
08:01:59 A B-8.
08:02:01 IT'S A GOOD HEALTHY TREE.
08:02:03 WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE IT.
08:02:05 IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE RIGHT BY THE ENTRYWAY.
08:02:07 IT WOULD NOT INTRUDE UPON THE DRIVE AISLE.
08:02:12 PER SE.
08:02:15 AND I THINK THAT I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THE
08:02:19 REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
08:02:21 OBVIOUSLY, THOSE HOUSES WERE NEEDED TO GO.
08:02:25 BUT I THINK THERE'S A MORE REASONABLE APPROACH WHICH
08:02:28 WOULD BE THAT 2691 OR 2591 SQUARE FOOT PROJECT INSTEAD.
08:02:40 SO THAT'S WHY I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
08:02:44 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
08:02:45 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
08:02:48 ANY OPPOSED?
08:02:50 >>THE CLERK: MAY I ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE?
08:02:55 ROLL CALL.
08:02:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NAY.
08:03:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES MAN'S.
08:03:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
08:03:06 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
08:03:08 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER,
08:03:14 MANISCALCO AND CARLSON VOTING NO.
08:03:15 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:03:18 OKAY.
08:03:18 WE MOVE ON -- OH, I'M SORRY.
08:03:21 >> THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON NOVEMBER
08:03:24 21st AT 9:30 A.M.
08:03:26 THANK YOU.
08:03:27 >>LUIS VIERA: WE MOVE ONWARD TO ITEM NUMBER 5.
08:03:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLANNING DESIGN AND COORDINATION.
08:03:43 ITEM NUMBER 5 IS THE APPLICATION AB 2-19-23 LOCATED AT
08:03:49 1951 ADAMO DRIVE, UNIT B.
08:03:52 IT'S IG AND FUTURE LAND USE IS HI.
08:03:54 THE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FIND IT
08:03:57 INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA
08:04:00 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
08:04:01 SHOULD YOU APPROVE IT TONIGHT THERE ARE MINOR CORRECTIONS
08:04:03 LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BEFORE
08:04:05 SECOND READING.
08:04:11 THE PETITIONER IS ASKING FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
08:04:18 THE PROPOSED USES AS A MAKE ROCK BREWERY, BAR, RETAIL
08:04:21 SALES AND LIGHT MANUFACTURING.
08:04:23 THIS PETITION WAS CONSIDERED A CHANGE OF USE FROM THE
08:04:26 ESTABLISHED USE OF RETAIL SALES, TOTAL AB SALES AREA IS
08:04:30 2,805 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS ALL INDOOR.
08:04:35 THE UNITS A, B AND C WAS CALCULATED BY THE FOLLOWING.
08:04:39 UNIT A IS RETAIL SALES FOR FURNITURE ONE SPACE PER
08:04:43 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
08:04:43 THAT EQUATES TO REQUIRING FOUR SPACES.
08:04:46 UNIT B WAS THE SUBJECT SITE WHICH WAS BASED OFF OF
08:04:50 OCCUPANCY PER THEIR FLOOR PLAN, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE
08:04:54 SECOND PAGE OF YOUR SITE PLAN, CAME TO 111 OCCUPANTS
08:04:57 TIMES .25 REQUIRING 28 PARKING SPACES, AND THEN THE LAST
08:05:02 UNIT, UNIT C, FOR RETAIL IS 4 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET
08:05:06 WHICH REQUIRED 8 SPACES.
08:05:07 THE TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE SITE WAS 450 SPACES
08:05:11 AND IT'S PROVIDING 33 SPACES WHICH IS A 17.5% REDUCTION.
08:05:15 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ALONG A MIXED USE CORRIDOR
08:05:18 VILLAGE AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT IS 250
08:05:20 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL USES AND 250 FEET FROM OTHER AB
08:05:23 SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
08:05:24 SITE PLAN STATES THE HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE 11 A.M.
08:05:28 TO 12 A.M. MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11 A.M. TO 1 A.M.
08:05:32 FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, AND 11 A.M. TO 12 A.M. ON SUNDAY.
08:05:35 THE SITE PLAN ANNOTATES THE FOLLOWING.
08:05:38 NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 11 P.M. AND ALSO THE
08:05:42 SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN A PARKING LOADING
08:05:45 AREA OR SPACE AND ALL PERMITS ISSUED AFTER APRIL 1st
08:05:49 2011 SHALL BE KEPT ON-SITE, A COPY OF THE ORDINANCES FOR
08:05:53 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.
08:05:54 THERE ARE THREE WAIVERS REQUESTED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
08:05:59 27-132, THE DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS, TO REDUCE
08:06:03 THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM RESIDENTIAL USES
08:06:06 REQUIRED 250 FEET TO 249.1 FEET, AND THE DISTANCE
08:06:11 SEPARATION FROM OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS FROM 250
08:06:13 FEET TO 58.6 FEET.
08:06:16 THE LAST WAIVER IS FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION, THAT COMES
08:06:19 FROM SECTION 27-283.7, AND THAT'S TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED
08:06:24 PARKING FROM 40 SPACES TO 33 SPACES WHICH IS AGAIN THE
08:06:28 17.5 PERCENT REDUCTION.
08:06:31 THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL USE THAT WAS MEASURED PER EXHIBIT
08:06:35 C IS THE APPLICATION WITH THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL USE,
08:06:39 THAT'S ZONED YC 7 LOCATED AT 2001 SECOND AVENUE, AGAIN A
08:06:44 RESIDENTIAL USE, AND THAT'S 249.1 FEET.
08:06:47 THE CLOSEST AB SALES ESTABLISHMENT IS A CITCO GAS STATION
08:06:52 ZONED IG DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
08:06:55 IT'S LOCATED AT 1901 ADAMO DRIVE.
08:06:59 THEY HOLD A 2(APS) WHICH IS A BEER AND WINE PACKAGE SALES
08:07:03 ONLY.
08:07:04 AGAIN THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG THE MIXED USE
08:07:06 CORRIDOR VILLAGE AND PLANNING AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT
08:07:09 COORDINATION DID FIND IT INCONSISTENT DUE TO THE REQUIRED
08:07:12 DISTANCE SEPARATION AS WELL AS THE REDUCTION IN THE
08:07:14 REQUIRED PARKING.
08:07:15 TRANSPORTATION FOUND IT INCONSISTENT FOR THE REDUCTION IN
08:07:19 THE REQUIRED PARKING.
08:07:21 THE CODE CRITERIA FOR CITY COUNCIL FOR REFERENCE AND
08:07:24 CONSIDERATION COMES FROM SECTION 27-43 WHICH IS A SMALL
08:07:27 VENUE WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT WITH LESS THAN
08:07:30 300 PERSON OCCUPANCY WHICH SALES ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, AND
08:07:33 THAT AB CLASSIFICATION IS THE BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON
08:07:36 PREMISES CONSUMPTION AS WELL AS PACKAGE SALES.
08:07:38 THE USES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THIS PETITIONER BAR WHICH
08:07:42 COME FROM OUR DEFINITION, BAR, LOUNGE, RETAIL SALES,
08:07:45 CONVENIENCE GOODS, AND THE MICROBREWERY ASPECT.
08:07:49 OTHER SECTIONS COME FROM 27-129 WHICH ARE THE GENERAL
08:07:54 STANDARDS, AND THEN SECTION 27' 132 WHICH IS THE
08:07:57 REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES.
08:08:06 I HAVE THE ZONING MAP.
08:08:11 AND I OUTLINED TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY ON THE SCALE MAP
08:08:18 IS WHERE THE ESTABLISHMENT IS REQUESTING ALCOHOL SALES IN
08:08:21 THAT STRIP CENTER, UNIT A AND B, AND THEN C IS RIGHT
08:08:25 HERE.
08:08:26 YOU CAN SEE THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL IS HERE TO THE
08:08:29 NORTHEAST.
08:08:30 CLOSEST ALCOHOL SALES IS THE CITCO GAS STATION HERE.
08:08:37 TOP PICTURE IS THE SUBJECT SITE, A AND B.
08:08:40 BELOW IS UNIT A, WHICH IS TOWARD THE LEFT.
08:08:45 TOP PICTURE IS UNIT C WHICH IS TO THE EAST.
08:08:48 AND THEN THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS AN OVERALL SITE KIND OF
08:08:52 SLOWING YOU THE FRONT AREA FOR THE PARKING.
08:08:54 TOP PICTURE SHOWING YOU THE VIEW AS YOU PULL UP FROM THE
08:08:57 SOUTH.
08:08:58 AND THERE'S REAR PARKING RIGHT HERE.
08:09:01 THERE'S A CLOSER PICTURE OF THE REAR PARKING AREA.
08:09:05 TOP PICTURE IS 1901 ADAMO DRIVE AND A IS THE CLOSEST
08:09:15 SALES ESTABLISHMENT.
08:09:16 AND THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS THE BANK.
08:09:19 THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL USE.
08:09:20 AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WHICH IS THE EXPRESS LANE.
08:09:24 THESE PICTURES SHOW ONE ON EAST ADAMO DRIVE AND ONE WEST
08:09:28 ON ADAMO DRIVE.
08:09:29 THE TPD REPORT DID STATE THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS
08:09:32 REQUEST AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF ANY
08:09:35 YOU HAVE.
08:09:36 >> IS THIS THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE GAS STATION?
08:09:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S CORRECT.
08:09:44 THIS IS THE CITCO GAS STATION.
08:09:46 HERE IS THE BANK.
08:09:47 THEY ARE IN UNIT B WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE.
08:09:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, THANK YOU.
08:09:51 ALL RIGHT.
08:09:53 ANYTHING ELSE?
08:09:55 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:09:58 APPLICANT?
08:09:59 >> GOOD EVENING.
08:10:09 MY NAME IS TERRY HALEY.
08:10:11 I AM REPRESENTING THE COMPANY AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO
08:10:19 BUSINESS AS BRASSFORD BREWING.
08:10:22 I HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU TO SUPPORT THE WAIVER
08:10:27 REQUEST THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
08:10:30 DO I JUST GIVE THAT TO YOU?
08:10:33 ONE OF THOSE I NEED.
08:10:39 FIRST OF ALL, I AM GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
08:10:41 I AM A VIRGIN TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, SO BEAR WITH ME.
08:10:53 HOW DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS?
08:10:55 DO YOU WANT TO THE ADDRESS EACH WAIVER, OR OVERALL
08:10:58 PERSPECTIVE FIRST?
08:10:59 OKAY.
08:10:59 WELL, HERE IS -- WE ARE A MOM AND MOP OPERATION, AND WE
08:11:03 ARE HERE TODAY ASKING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND
08:11:07 HOPEFULLY PERMISSION TO ATTACH THESE WAIVERS SO THAT WE
08:11:12 CAN OPEN, AND NOW 20, 25 YEARS WE ARE BACK HERE LIKE THE
08:11:18 PREVIOUS THING EARLIER, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR PERMISSION
08:11:21 TO OPEN THE INTOWN FEATURE, 20 TO 25 YEARS.
08:11:28 RIGHT NOW WE ARE THE SMALL GUY, OKAY?
08:11:30 OUR OWNERS, TOGETHER, HAVE OVER 40 YEARS OF HOME BREWING
08:11:35 EXPERIENCE, AND THEN THEY HAVE TOGETHER 7 TO 8 YEARS OF
08:11:40 COMMERCIAL BREWING WITH ONE OF THE LOCAL VERY SUCCESSFUL
08:11:45 MAKE ROW BREWERIES HERE IN TOWN.
08:11:50 AS FAR AS THE WAIVERS, THE WAY I PUT MY PACKET TOGETHER
08:11:53 WAS THE WAY IT WAS LISTED ON THE REPORT.
08:11:57 AND THE FIRST ONE IS THE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED.
08:12:00 OKAY.
08:12:02 OUR SIDE UNIT B IS LOCATED 249.1 FEET FROM THE NEAREST
08:12:12 RESIDENTIAL.
08:12:13 OUR REQUIREMENT IS UP TO 50 IS THE STANDARD, WE ARE
08:12:17 ASKING FOR THAT WAIVER, TO SUPPORT THE NEED FOR THIS,
08:12:21 THAT 249.1 FEET IS FROM OUR PREMISE THE UNIT B TO THEIR
08:12:29 PROPERTY LINE.
08:12:30 IF YOU GO TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE, AND YOU QUANTITY TO
08:12:34 PROCEED TO THE HOMES, YOU HAVE TO PROCEED FORWARD, THEN
08:12:42 YOU TRAVEL 100 FEET NORTH, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO 132 FEET,
08:12:49 I THINK IT IS, TO THE EAST, AND THAT GETS YOU TO A DOOR
08:12:53 THAT SIMPLY GETS YOU INTO A COURTYARD.
08:12:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXCUSE ME.
08:13:01 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
08:13:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
08:13:04 >> I DIDN'T DO IT AS A -- I WAS GOING TO SAY, WE ARE
08:13:09 DOING THAT THE WAY YOU HAVE TO WALK IT IS 230 FEET.
08:13:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
08:13:14 >> AS THE CROW FLIES YOU ARE PROBABLY DOWN TO 60 FEET, A
08:13:24 LITTLE OVER 300 FEET.
08:13:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND YOU HAVE TO CROSS --
08:13:30 >> YOU HAVE TO CROSS A SIX LANE HIGHWAY WHICH HAS A TURN
08:13:34 LANE MEDIAN.
08:13:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE ROADS, WE WILL
08:13:42 BE HERE TILL MADE.
08:13:43 IT'S SIX LANES AND THAT'S IT.
08:13:44 >> CORRECT.
08:13:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENT I'VE.
08:13:53 I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU, 249.1.
08:13:57 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
08:14:01 ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU BRING UP TO ME, ANYWAY, I AM NOT
08:14:03 THE OTHERS, ARE IRRELEVANT.
08:14:05 >> OKAY.
08:14:08 I WILL MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
08:14:13 OKAY.
08:14:14 SO NOW OUR REQUEST IS FOR THE NEAREST ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
08:14:18 LICENSE.
08:14:18 THE REQUIREMENT IS 250 FEET.
08:14:22 WE ARE AT 58.6.
08:14:25 AND THAT IS THE MAZING PROPERTY.
08:14:31 AND BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES THERE IS A SOLID ISLAND OF
08:14:35 SHRUBBERY WHICH W NO BREAKS IN IT, AND IN ORDER TO GET TO
08:14:40 THAT, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND IT OR LEAVE THE
08:14:43 PARKING LOT, SUPERB HIGHWAY 60, GO TO THE LIGHT AND COME
08:14:48 BACK IN.
08:14:51 THEIR 2 AP, THEY ARE LICENSED TO SELL PACKAGED BEER AND
08:14:57 WINE TO GO.
08:14:58 AND WE ARE REQUESTING A 2(COP) WITH A MICROBREWERY FOR
08:15:04 CRAFT BEER ONLY, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES, AND BEE FEEL
08:15:11 IT'S TWO DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS ENTIRELY.
08:15:14 SO WE DON'T FEEL THAT EITHER ONE OF US IS INTERFERING
08:15:18 WITH EITHER ONE ON THAT ONE.
08:15:21 OKAY.
08:15:22 THE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REQUEST OF WAIVERS IS THE
08:15:26 PARKING REQUIREMENT.
08:15:28 WHEN YOU DO THE STRAIGHT-UP MATH, WE ARE REQUIRED 40
08:15:31 SPOTS.
08:15:33 WHEN DOING THE CONFIGURATION, IT COMES UP THAT WE ARE 7
08:15:38 SPOTS SHORT, WHICH IS 17, A LITTLE OVER 17% SHORTAGE ON
08:15:44 PARKING.
08:15:45 ON OUR SHEET HERE, WE LISTED SOME JUSTIFICATIONS OF THAT.
08:15:51 ONE WOULD BE FIRST OUR HOURS OF OPERATION, THAT
08:15:54 IMMEDIATELY AFTER 6:00 P.M., THE FURNITURE STORE IS
08:15:58 CLOSED, SO THAT ALLOWS MORE PARKING WITH US.
08:16:01 WE ARE NOT UP AGAINST THEM.
08:16:03 ALSO OUR PEAK TIMES, 9 TO MIDNIGHT, THE UNIT A IS AN
08:16:12 EATERY AND THEY SLOW DOWN.
08:16:15 AND ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE NEW FACTORS OF LIFT AND UBER, MANY
08:16:20 PEOPLE ARE NOT DRIVING TO THESE CITES.
08:16:23 WE HAVE THE NEW SCOOTERS WHICH IF YOU VISIT SOME OF THE
08:16:26 OTHER MAKE ROW RO BREWERIES WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF
08:16:30 THEIR AREAS, YOU WILL SEE MANY OF THE SCOOTERS OUT IN
08:16:33 FRONT OF THE MAKE ROW BREWERIES SO MANY PEOPLE ARE USING
08:16:36 THAT AS MOTOR TRANSPORTATION.
08:16:38 WE WILL HAVE A BICYCLE RACK.
08:16:42 OUR RESIDENTS ACROSS, THEY WILL SIMPLY TAKE IT UPON
08:16:47 THEMSELVES TO CROSS THE STREET.
08:16:50 HOPEFULLY WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WITHIN THE CROSSWALK
08:16:52 AT THE LIGHT.
08:16:53 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SIMPLY PEOPLE PARK, AND
08:16:58 JUSTIFICATION OF ALL OF THESE IS WE FEEL THAT THE CRAFT
08:17:01 BEER DRINKER IS ONE WHO DRINKS FOR QUALITY VERSUS
08:17:06 QUANTITY.
08:17:07 SO WE DO NOT SELL FOOD.
08:17:11 THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT.
08:17:12 GUESTS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING IN THEIR FOOD, HAVE FOOD
08:17:15 BROUGHT IN.
08:17:18 AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T SELL FOOD, I GUESS TIME AT OUR
08:17:24 OPERATION IS USUALLY ON A SHORTER STINT BECAUSE PEOPLE
08:17:28 ARE ALWAYS GOING OUT TO EAT DINNER, LUNCH, WHATEVER THE
08:17:31 CASE MAY BE, OR THEY ARE COMING FROM THAT.
08:17:33 SO THE TURNOVER OF OUR CLIENTELE SEEMS TO BE MORE THAN
08:17:41 SOMEONE SITTING THERE ALL DAY, THE TURNOVER.
08:17:44 SO THAT IS OUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THE WAIVERS.
08:17:49 WE ARE HOPING YOU WILL GIVE US CONSIDERATION.
08:17:51 AND AGAIN, IF WE CAN BE A SMALL BUSINESS, THRIVING IN
08:17:56 TAMPA BAY AND MAYBE SOME DAY GROW INTO SOMETHING BIG.
08:18:00 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:18:00 ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
08:18:01 OKAY.
08:18:02 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:18:02 WE APPRECIATE IT.
08:18:03 ANYBODY HERE TO PUBLICLY COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 5?
08:18:07 IF SO YOU MAY COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
08:18:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL I CAN SAY IS HE HAD ME AT GROWLER.
08:18:20 >>LUIS VIERA: YOU HAD A MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN
08:18:22 MIRANDA, SECOND BY --
08:18:26 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:18:26 ANY OPPOSED?
08:18:27 >> I KNOW THE AREA WELL, ON ADAMO, AND REGARDING THE
08:18:31 DISTANCE SEPARATION AND THE WAIVERS AND WHATNOT, IT IS A
08:18:38 VERY WIDE ROAD.
08:18:39 THE CLOSEST THING IS GOING TO BE IKEA.
08:18:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN, WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
08:18:46 TODAY, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I AM ASKING --
08:18:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO TESTIFY.
08:18:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANTED COUNCIL TO BE REMINDED
08:18:56 THAT YOU BASE IT ON THINGS THAT ARE IN THE RECORD.
08:19:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN REGARDS TO THE WAIVERS AND
08:19:02 WHATNOT, IT'S UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S SEPARATED
08:19:08 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A WIDE ROAD.
08:19:10 YOU HAVE THE EXPRESSWAY RIGHT BEHIND IT AND WHATNOT.
08:19:13 SO, ANY, WHAT I WILL JUST READ IT.
08:19:18 I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
08:19:21 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING ALCOHOLIC SALES, IN
08:19:26 PACKAGE SEAMS, OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION MAKING LAWFUL
08:19:33 BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT
08:19:36 OF LAND LOCATED AT 1951 ADAMO DRIVE UNIT B, TAMPA,
08:19:40 FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2
08:19:43 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
08:19:46 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
08:19:48 I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL
08:19:51 EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS, HAS MET HIS BURDEN OF PROOF,
08:19:56 AND I THINK THE WAIVERS.
08:20:03 >>LUIS VIERA: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:20:05 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
08:20:06 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:20:08 ANY OPPOSED?
08:20:08 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
08:20:10 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 21st
08:20:13 AT 9:30 A.M.
08:20:15 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:20:15 AND OUR FINAL ITEM FOR THE NIGHT, NUMBER 6.
08:20:18 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT
08:20:20 COORDINATION.
08:20:21 ITEM NUMBER 6 IS SPECIAL USE 2, 19-06.
08:20:25 IT'S FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, 111 SOUTH FREEDOM IN A
08:20:30 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
08:20:32 >>JENNIFER MALONE: PLANNING CITY COMMISSION STAFF. THIS
08:20:36 IS IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
08:20:38 IT'S RIGHT OFF OF SOUTH OF WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, IN THE
08:20:42 LEVEL C EVACUATION ZONE.
08:20:47 YOU SAW MY NOTES.
08:20:48 WE ARE ON WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
08:20:51 FREMONT AVENUE.
08:20:52 THIS IS THE PRIMROSE SCHOOL RIGHT HERE THAT YOU MIGHT BE
08:20:55 FAMILIAR WITH.
08:20:55 I ALSO HAVE A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY HERE TO THE NORTH AND
08:20:58 A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES ON WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
08:21:02 THE LAND USE ALONG WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, THAT PURPLE
08:21:06 COLOR IS URBAN MIXED USE 60.
08:21:11 LAND USE OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS RESIDENTIAL 20, THAT
08:21:13 BROWN USUAL COLOR.
08:21:14 AND THEN THIS IS COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35.
08:21:19 WE DID FIND THIS REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE
08:21:20 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND FOUND THE
08:21:23 PROPOSED USE IS APPROPRIATE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND
08:21:25 THAT POLICY DIRECTION.
08:21:26 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
08:21:28 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
08:21:29 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
08:21:29 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS IN RM-16,
08:21:44 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT IN THE RS 16 ZONING DISTRICT.
08:21:47 IN ORDER TO PUT A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT YOU ARE REQUIRED
08:21:50 SPECIAL USE 2 APPROVAL, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION
08:21:57 27-132.
08:21:58 THERE IS A ZONING MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
08:22:03 AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
08:22:05 WE ARE JUST SOUTH OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD ON FREMONT.
08:22:08 THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN HERE.
08:22:10 THERE'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FOR AN
08:22:13 OFFICE BUILDING.
08:22:14 THERE IS A MIX OF OFFICE BUILDING AND RETAIL USES ON BOTH
08:22:18 SIDES OF KENNEDY.
08:22:19 AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OR COMMERCIAL ZONING.
08:22:26 DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY IS A SMALL
08:22:32 SINGLE-FAMILY USE.
08:22:35 HERE IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY, CURRENTLY VACANT,
08:22:41 WITH TWO TREES THAT WILL REMAIN AND BE PROTECTED.
08:22:46 THE ACCESS FOR THE PROPERTY IS OFF AN ALLEY WHICH WILL BE
08:22:49 IMPROVED PER CODE.
08:22:51 IT IS TO THE SOUTH OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT IT
08:22:55 WILL SERVE.
08:22:56 THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING FROM
08:22:58 KENNEDY.
08:23:00 DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS THE
08:23:03 RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
08:23:05 AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET IS THE OFFICE BUILDING WITH
08:23:08 ASSOCIATED PARKING LOT.
08:23:14 HERE IS THE SITE PLAN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.
08:23:17 IT IS TO SERVE THE COMMERCIAL ZONING LOT AND COMMERCIAL
08:23:21 USE TO THE NORTH WHICH IS HERE.
08:23:23 AGAIN I JUST SHOWED YOU THE PHOTOGRAPH ON KENNEDY.
08:23:27 THEY NEED PARKING -- THEY ARE PROPOSING 12 PARKING
08:23:31 SPACES.
08:23:33 AND HERE ARE THE TWO TREES THAT WILL BE PRESERVED.
08:23:40 SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, THEY NEED TWO WAIVERS.
08:23:43 ONE, SPECIAL USE CRITERIA THAT IT CANNOT BE SEPARATED
08:23:47 FROM A RIGHT-OF-WAY, FROM THE USE THAT IT'S SERVING.
08:23:49 ACCORDING TO OUR CODE, THE TYPE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO THEY
08:23:52 NEED A WAIVER TO ALLOW A PARKING LOT ACROSS AN ALLEY FROM
08:23:56 A COMMERCIAL USE THAT IT'S SERVING.
08:23:58 AND THEN THE ONLY ANOTHER'S CRITERIA IS THAT UP AGAINST
08:24:03 THE RESIDENTIAL USE, IT'S A 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH
08:24:08 A 6-FOOT HIGH WALL.
08:24:10 THEY WANT TO DO THE 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE WITH A 6-FOOT.
08:24:17 SO THERE'S SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN BETWEEN
08:24:19 FIRST AND SECOND READING IF IT IS APPROVED.
08:24:23 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT LISTED TRANSPORTATION HAS A MINOR
08:24:28 CORRECTION AS WELL AS NATURAL RESOURCES.
08:24:30 SAYING THAT, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMPLAINS STAFF DID
08:24:33 FIND THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
08:24:37 IF IT IS THE PLEASURE TO GRANT THE WAIVERS, PLEAS
08:24:39 REMEMBER.
08:24:43 DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION
08:24:44 FOR ME AT THIS TIME?
08:24:46 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
08:24:46 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
08:24:47 APPLICANT, PLEASE.
08:24:53 65 NORTH FRANKLIN.
08:25:01 WE WORKED WITH MARY SAMANIEGO AND STAFF.
08:25:04 THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
08:25:05 JUST WANT TO MENTION WE ARE SAVING THE TREES WITH THIS
08:25:07 DEVELOPMENT.
08:25:09 TO KIND OF CHANGE THE TUNE FOR THIS EVENING.
08:25:11 I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY
08:25:12 FROM PUBLIC.
08:25:13 >>LUIS VIERA: ANY QUESTIONS?
08:25:17 NONE IT WOULD APPEAR.
08:25:18 THANK YOU, SIR.
08:25:22 ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT TONIGHT ON NUMBER
08:25:24 6?
08:25:24 IF SO PLEASE COME FORWARD.
08:25:26 PUBLIC COMMENT, ANYONE? YES, GO AHEAD.
08:25:28 >> GOOD EVENING.
08:25:30 ROB HIRSCHBERGER, 113 FREMONT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE
08:25:36 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES CLOSEST TO THE PROPOSED PARKING
08:25:39 LOT.
08:25:41 THAT SECTION OF FREMONT BETWEEN KENNEDY AND CLEVELAND IS
08:25:44 PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED BLOCKS IN TAMPA.
08:25:48 THERE'S AN ACCIDENT HAPPENING EITHER AT THE CLEVELAND
08:25:52 INTERSECTION OR AT THE KENNEDY INTERSECTION ALMOST
08:25:57 WEEKLY.
08:25:58 THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS ON PARKING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE
08:26:01 STREET.
08:26:03 IT'S ALSO THE ONLY BLOCK OUT OF FREMONT BETWEEN KENNEDY
08:26:06 AND SWANN WHERE THE PARKING IS ALLOWED ON BOTH SIDE OF
08:26:09 THE STREET.
08:26:11 THERE ARE CHILDREN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:26:14 AND THE BUSINESSES THAT THIS PARKING LOT WOULD SERVE, IF
08:26:21 YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY AND DOWN THE STREET, ANGLED
08:26:25 PARKING IN FRONT, THERE ARE 12 PARKING SPOTS THERE WHICH
08:26:28 ARE NEVER OCCUPIED.
08:26:29 THERE'S ALSO PARKING IN THE ADJACENT BUSINESS AND ACROSS
08:26:33 KENNEDY WITH A VACANT LOT SO THERE SEEMS TO BE PLENTY OF
08:26:37 PARKING WITHOUT HAVING TO DEVELOP THAT AND BRING MORE
08:26:39 TRAFFIC INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
08:26:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:26:43 ANYTHING ELSE?
08:26:44 >> NOT AT THIS MOMENT.
08:26:46 BUT MY NEIGHBOR HAS A FEW COMMENTS.
08:26:47 >> MY NAME IS GEORGE --
08:26:51 I THESE LOTS, THERE ARE 8 HOMES THAT WERE DEVELOPED LAST
08:26:57 YEAR ON FREMONT RIGHT NEXT TO THE MULTIPLE USE SHOWN IN
08:27:01 THE PICTURE.
08:27:02 AND THESE LOTS, FOUR KIDS IN THOSE NEW TOWNHOMES AND TWO
08:27:10 OTHER FAMILIES THAT HAVE MORE KIDS, AND THAT ROAD IS
08:27:13 DEEPLY CONGESTED AS WE FOUND OUT THIS PAST YEAR.
08:27:16 SO WE RESPECTFULLY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT INTO
08:27:21 CONSIDERATION, THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY HOP TRULY DON'T
08:27:26 NEED MORE CARS THERE ON THE SPECIFIC ROAD, AND WE DON'T
08:27:30 UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE PARKING LOT, BECAUSE THERE IS
08:27:35 PARKING NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
08:27:40 AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
08:27:41 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:27:43 WE APPRECIATE IT.
08:27:44 ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 6?
08:27:47 ANY REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT?
08:27:49 >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE THAT THE PARKING THAT WAS
08:28:01 MENTIONED ALONG KENNEDY -- EXCUSE ME, ON FREMONT, WHICH
08:28:08 IS RIGHT AROUND HERE, IT'S NOT PARKING NECESSARILY FOR
08:28:12 THAT OFFICE SPACE.
08:28:13 THAT'S PART OF CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY.
08:28:15 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY IN SPEAKING WITH MARY SAMANIEGO,
08:28:18 THAT HAS BEEN THERE AND CONSTRUCTED PREVIOUSLY TO THIS
08:28:21 OWNER.
08:28:22 I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE IT MEETS CODE.
08:28:24 AND ON TOP OF THAT, THIS PARKING LOT WILL HELP TO
08:28:26 ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION BY PULLING CARS OFF OF
08:28:30 THE STREET AND INTO THAT PARKING LOT THAT'S TO BE
08:28:34 REDEVELOPED.
08:28:35 I'M HOPING YOU GUYS WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR
08:28:38 THE PARKING LOT AND TAKING CARS COMING OFF THE STREETS
08:28:41 DOWN FREMONT AND.
08:28:43 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:28:45 ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
08:28:47 OKAY.
08:28:47 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
08:28:49 >> SO MOVED.
08:28:50 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:28:52 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR?
08:28:55 ANY OPPOSED?
08:28:56 I THINK COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO?
08:28:59 CITRO.
08:29:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE SU-2-19-06.
08:29:06 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING, AN
08:29:08 ORDINANCE APPROVING PERMIT S-2 APPROVING PARKING
08:29:13 OFF-STREET COMMERCIAL IN AN RM-16 RESIDENTIAL
08:29:16 MULTIFAMILY, ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
08:29:21 111 SOUTH FREMONT AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
08:29:24 AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF
08:29:27 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AS THE PETITIONER HAS MET
08:29:31 THE BURDEN OF PROOF, THIS WILL ALSO INCLUDE WAIVERS AND
08:29:34 SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND
08:29:37 USE CODE.
08:29:38 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
08:29:40 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:29:42 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:29:43 ANY OPPOSED?
08:29:44 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING.
08:29:47 IN A SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE ON FLOW 21st
08:29:50 AT 9:30 A.M.
08:29:52 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
08:29:53 THAT IS THE END OF OUR HEARINGS.
08:29:54 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?
08:30:00 >>BILL CARLSON: I FORGOT THIS MORNING TO SCHEDULE SOME
08:30:02 KIND OF FOLLOW-UP TO THE PRESENTATION AND GETTING INPUT
08:30:08 FROM THE PUBLIC.
08:30:09 I HOPE THAT HAD YOU ALL WILL LOOK AT IT AND THINK ABOUT
08:30:13 WHAT CRITERIA.
08:30:15 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
08:30:22 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, WE ARE STILL RUNNING HEARINGS.
08:30:24 I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
08:30:27 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU TELL ME WHEN THE NEXT TIME IS
08:30:29 THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOWE I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD
08:30:31 TAKE MORE THAN 15 MINUTES UNLESS YOU ALL WANT MORE TIME.
08:30:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT DEPENDS HOW FAR OUT YOU WANT TO DO
08:30:42 THAT. I HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY CLERK BETWEEN NOW AND YOUR
08:30:44 CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY THINGS START TO FILL UP.
08:30:47 >>BILL CARLSON: SO YOU WANT TO WAIT TILL JANUARY?
08:30:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN WAIT TILL THEN.
08:30:52 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M OKAY WAITING TILL THEN.
08:30:55 JANUARY 9th?
08:30:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JANUARY YOU HAVE THE 23rd AND YOU
08:31:00 HAVE PRESENTLY, I DON'T KNOW, JANUARY 23rd, BUT YOU
08:31:06 HAVE THREE STAFF REPORTS ON THE 23rd.
08:31:11 YOU HAVE A WORKSHOP.
08:31:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I
08:31:15 WOULD COME BACK AND TAKE INPUT FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT I
08:31:18 PRESENTED THIS MORNING ON JANUARY 23rd.
08:31:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
08:31:24 >> IS THAT IN THE MORNING OR EVENING?
08:31:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, CAN THAT BE PUT UNDER UNFINISHED
08:31:31 BUSINESS SECTION OF THE CALENDAR? TAKE IT UP AT THE END
08:31:34 OF THE MEETING?
08:31:38 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
08:31:38 >>THE CLERK: FOR THE RECORD, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS
08:31:43 PRESENTED UNDER NEW BUSINESS THIS MORNING?
08:31:47 NO SUBSTANCE TO THE MOTION SO I JUST NEED TO KNOW.
08:31:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE IT WAS DONE ON THE
08:31:51 PRESENTATION -- HOW WAS IT DESCRIBED?
08:31:56 >>BILL CARLSON: ITEM NUMBER 16.
08:31:58 >>LUIS VIERA: I GUESS IT COULD BE CLASSIFIED FOLLOW-UP
08:32:01 DISCUSSION OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S PRESENTATION.
08:32:04 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
08:32:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND AGAIN THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE
08:32:10 23rd OF JANUARY UNDER COUNCIL'S REPORT AT THE END OF
08:32:16 THE MEETING?
08:32:18 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
08:32:20 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
08:32:22 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
08:32:24 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:32:25 ANY OPPOSED?
08:32:26 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
08:32:28 OKAY.
08:32:28 THANK YOU, SIR.
08:32:29 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
08:32:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOTHING.
08:32:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
08:32:33 YES, WE DO HAVE A CRA WORKSHOP ON MONDAY, THE 28TH AT
08:32:38 9 A.M. IN THESE CHAMBERS.
08:32:42 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
08:32:42 THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER.
08:32:44 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:32:47 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
08:32:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, CHAIRMAN.
08:32:49 I WAS NOTIFIED BY MR. SHELBY AND MY AIDE WENT TO THE ZION
08:32:55 CEMETERY MEETING TODAY.
08:32:58 WE PREVIOUSLY MADE A MOTION TO GO OUT.
08:33:04 APPARENTLY AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS SPOKE ABOUT IT THEN,
08:33:08 AND GAVE A DATE OF POSSIBLY NOVEMBER 7th AT 1:30 P.M.
08:33:14 IN THE AFTERNOON.
08:33:17 SHORT NOTICE RIGHT NOW, BUT MR. SHELBY BROUGHT IT UP SO
08:33:22 WANT TO GET IT IN THE PUBLIC IRATE NOW, TOP ASK THEM FOR
08:33:27 A DATE.
08:33:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S FRIDAY AT 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
08:33:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S A FRIDAY.
08:33:36 AFTERNOON.
08:33:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, COUNCIL, THAT WOULD
08:33:39 HAVE TO BE SET UP SIMILARLY TO THE WAY OF THE WATER PLANT
08:33:46 TOUR WHICH WAS QUITE AN EFFORT TO REMIND YOU THAT IT ALSO
08:33:52 REQUIRED YOU TO COMPLY WITH THE PUBLIC MEETING LAW, GREAT
08:33:55 DEAL OF LOGISTICS INCLUDING HAVING THE CABLE OFFICE THERE
08:33:58 TO DO IT AND HAVING THE CLERK THEN DO THE MINUTES FOR IT.
08:34:02 I DID SPEAK WITH MS. HENDERSON, AND SHE ALSO WANTED --
08:34:06 SHE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT ON DECEMBER 5th, THE
08:34:13 REAL ESTATE DIVISION AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TAMPA
08:34:16 HOUSING AUTHORITY ARE GOING TO BE PRESENT HERE TO PROVIDE
08:34:18 RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF THE ZION CEMETERY AND HOW
08:34:21 ROBLES PARK WAS DEVELOPED ON TOP OF THE REMAINS OF HUMAN
08:34:23 BEINGS.
08:34:24 THAT'S ON YOUR DECEMBER 5th REGULAR SESSION UNDER
08:34:28 STAFF REPORTS.
08:34:29 BUT IF COUNCIL DOES WANT TO DO THIS, OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL GO
08:34:38 IN TO SEE IF COUNCIL IS ABLE TO ATTEND BECAUSE THAT WOULD
08:34:40 HAVE TO BE SET AS A MEETING OF COUNCIL AND WE WOULD HAVE
08:34:45 TO WORK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR A PUBLIC MEETING AS
08:34:50 WELL AS THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
08:34:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE SAID THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND ATTORNEY
08:34:56 WERE AT THIS MEETING AND THEY ASKED THEM TO COME ALONG TO
08:34:59 BE PART OF THIS TOUR AS WELL.
08:35:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR COUNCIL, DOES
08:35:02 COUNCIL WANT TO SET A SPECIAL MEETING FOR THAT?
08:35:06 AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO ALSO MAKE SURE WE COMPLY WITH THE
08:35:10 ADA REQUIREMENTS AS WELL WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD TO DO WITH
08:35:12 THE WATER TOUR.
08:35:14 SO -- THE ONLY PERSPECTIVE FROM MY TAGS, THE COUNCIL DOES
08:35:24 NOT MEET UNTIL THE DAY BEFORE.
08:35:26 THE NEXT MEETING IS THE DAY BEFORE THE SCHEDULED MEETING
08:35:27 SO THAT WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TIME TO EVEN NOTICE IT AT THAT
08:35:30 POINT IN TIME.
08:35:31 SO WE ARE ON A VERY, VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE IN TERMS OF
08:35:36 THAT.
08:35:37 THIS COUNCIL IS NOT MEETING NEXT WEEK.
08:35:38 TO BE ABLE TO SET THIS UP LOGISTICALLY.
08:35:41 SO IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE HOW COUNCIL WISHES TO PROCEED.
08:35:44 I JUST NEED DIRECTION.
08:35:47 >>LUIS VIERA: WE ARE ASKING WE DO IT ON NOVEMBER
08:35:49 8thALITY 1:350?
08:35:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW.
08:35:55 I KNOW THE DATE AND IT'S 1:30.
08:35:57 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE TO PICK UP MY SON AT SCHOOL AT
08:36:02 THREE.
08:36:02 BUT BEFORE THAT IS GOOD.
08:36:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION.
08:36:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE A LOCATION YET?
08:36:16 >> IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AT ROBLES
08:36:18 PARK.
08:36:21 I JUST GOT THAT LIMIT INFORMATION.
08:36:25 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE NEED THE ADDRESS FOR PURPOSES OF THE
08:36:27 MOTION?
08:36:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FRANKLY IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, YES.
08:36:37 >>LUIS VIERA: GET THE ADDRESS OF ROBLES PARK, SURE.
08:36:39 >>THE CLERK: IF THE MOTION COULD BE STATED IN ITS
08:36:43 ENTIRETY FOR THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
08:36:45 THANK YOU.
08:36:45 >>LUIS VIERA: YOU ARE LOOKING TO COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR
08:36:48 THE ADDRESS OF ROBLES PARK?
08:36:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO THEY HAVE A MEETING SPACE?
08:36:59 I GUESS WHERE THE MEETING WAS TODAY?
08:37:00 COUNCILMAN, YOU SAID THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY?
08:37:03 THEY MUST HAVE HAD A MEETING SPACE.
08:37:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, THEY HAD THE MEETING AT THE HOUSING
08:37:09 AUTHORITY ON CYPRESS.
08:37:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO WE DON'T KNOW IF --
08:37:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S AN OFFICE AND THEY GOT A SMALL
08:37:19 COMPUTER RAM.
08:37:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IT BEGS A LOT OF ISSUES.
08:37:27 >>LUIS VIERA: HOW ABOUT WE PUT IT OUT THERE, MR. SHELBY,
08:37:30 AND THEN WE SEA BY TOMORROW, SO AT LEAST YOU PRESERVE IT
08:37:34 TODAY, AND WE CAN ANALYZE IT TOMORROW.
08:37:37 IF IT'S NOT --
08:37:41 >> IF I MAY.
08:37:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, WERE YOU ARE
08:37:45 ABLE TO FIND IT?
08:37:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
08:37:53 [OFF MICROPHONE]
08:37:56 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE HAVE AN OFFICE -- OR ADDRESS FOR
08:37:59 ROBLES PARK?
08:38:01 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, COULD YOU WAIT ONE MORE MINUTE
08:38:05 UNTIL WE GET THE ADDRESS?
08:38:06 DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS, SIR?
08:38:08 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ANYTHING, SIR?
08:38:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
08:38:16 YOU KNOW WHAT?
08:38:18 BECAUSE THIS CASE IS FOR SECOND READING I AM GOING TO
08:38:22 HOLD THIS.
08:38:25 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
08:38:26 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:38:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS. BRIAN
08:38:29 SULLIVAN, WHO WORKS, HANDLES THE PHOTOGRAPHY AND THE
08:38:33 VIDEO AND EVERYTHING HERE, HIS MOTHER PASSED AWAY, AND I
08:38:37 WANT TO EXTEND MY CONDOLENCES TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY.
08:38:43 I SAW IT POSTED ON FACEBOOK THE OTHER DAY AND I WANTED TO
08:38:45 MAKE A MENTION OF IT.
08:38:48 >>LUIS VIERA: MY CONDOLENCES.
08:38:49 BRIAN AND KIM ARE SUCH A NICE COUPLE.
08:38:51 EVERY TIME I SEE THEM TOGETHER, IT'S JUST VERY NICE.
08:38:55 THEY WERE RECENTLY MARRIED, AND AS THE SONG GOES LOVE IS
08:39:00 LOVELIER THE SECOND TIME AROUND, SOMETIMES THIRD OR
08:39:02 FOURTH TIME AROUND.
08:39:03 BUT IT CERTAINLY IS LOVELIER.
08:39:07 MY CONDOLENCES FOR THAT.
08:39:09 AND IN TERMS OF ME, I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE ANYTHING.
08:39:12 I AM GOING TO JUST TALK AND BABBLE UNTIL WE FIND THE
08:39:14 ADDRESS FOR ROBLES PARK.
08:39:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MIGHT FALL ASLEEP.
08:39:25 >>BILL CARLSON: WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING ON SUNDAY, OR
08:39:31 SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.
08:39:31 >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW.
08:39:34 WE WILL ALL BE IN CHURCH OR SYNAGOGUE.
08:39:36 HERE WE GO.
08:39:39 FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
08:39:41 THANK YOU, MA'AM.
08:39:43 OUR HERO.
08:39:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR NOVEMBER
08:39:52 8th, THAT'S A FRIDAY, AT 1:30 P.M. TO GO TO ROBLES
08:39:56 PARK VILLAGE AT 3305 NORTH AVON AVENUE, ALSO TO HAVE THE
08:40:02 ADMINISTRATION GET BACK ABOUT SETTING UP IN REFERENCE TO
08:40:05 THE CTTV FOR SUNSHINE COMPLIANCE.
08:40:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THAT'S 1:30 P.M.?
08:40:14 AND I GUESS THE ADDRESS WILL BE SOMEWHERE TO BE
08:40:17 DETERMINED?
08:40:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROBLES PARK VILLAGE, 3305 NORTH AVON.
08:40:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORTH AVON.
08:40:31 DO YOU WANT TO SET A TIME, WHAT TIME TO WHAT TIME?
08:40:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M GUESSING 2:30, A COUPLE OF HOURS.
08:40:41 >>LUIS VIERA: AND BEFORE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WANTED TO
08:40:45 SAY SOMETHING.
08:40:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH.
08:40:48 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, I KNOW YOU ARE PLUGGED INTO THIS
08:40:50 ISSUE AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME YOU PUT INTO IT.
08:40:54 I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS
08:40:57 BEING PREMATURE.
08:40:59 AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THIS, I WITNESS TO A MEETING AT
08:41:02 THE HISTORY CENTER, AND NUMBER 2 AT THE HOUSING
08:41:07 AUTHORITY, LEROY, LAURA WAS THERE, AND HE WAS SPEAKING TO
08:41:12 THE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, AND BUT
08:41:17 THE POTENTIAL PLANS THAT THEY HAD FOR A PARK AND A
08:41:23 MEMORIAL PARK, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
08:41:27 I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.
08:41:32 AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS ISSUE.
08:41:38 I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC WITH WHAT'S GOING ON.
08:41:40 BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME SORT OF FALSE HOPE
08:41:45 THAT WE HAVE THE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T NOT
08:41:47 HOW DEEPLY WE AS A CITY ARE INVOLVED IN THIS IN REGARD TO
08:41:52 THE FACT THAT WE DON'T OWN THAT LAND.
08:41:55 I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED AT SOME POINT, BUT
08:41:59 I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PREMATURE.
08:42:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THE GIST OF IT ALL THAT ALL OF
08:42:07 THE STATE LEADERS EVERYBODY OUT THERE AND VIEWED THE
08:42:11 SITE, HAVE GONE TO THOSE MEETINGS.
08:42:14 I HAVE GONE TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS WITH THE HOUSING
08:42:16 AUTHORITY, AND THE QUESTION IS HOW COME CITY COUNCIL
08:42:19 HASN'T COME OUT HERE SO THAT'S WHY I CAME BACK AND SAID,
08:42:23 OKAY, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
08:42:25 AND AGAIN IT CAME UM AGAIN TODAY.
08:42:28 CHIEF OF STAFF, AND MS. GRIMES AS WELL, AND A BIG SCENE
08:42:32 THERE, ONLY MADE THAT GESTURE, AND THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING
08:42:39 TO GET IT FOR A WHILE, AND FINALLY, APPARENTLY, THIS
08:42:42 IS -- I THINK THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR SAID WE WERE IN
08:42:48 TOUCH WITH THE WRONG PERSON, SO THAT'S HOW THAT DATE OR
08:42:52 TIME CAME UP EVEN WITH THE COMMUNICATION PERSON.
08:42:58 SO BASICALLY, WE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE TO HEAR THOSE
08:43:04 CONCERNS FOR THOSE WHO MAY COME OUT THERE. RIGHT NOW,
08:43:07 THEY ARE STILL DOING -- THEY ARE MOVING PEOPLE OUT,
08:43:13 GETTING UPDATES ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND BASICALLY
08:43:16 TRYING TO SAY WE ARE CONCERNED AS A CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE
08:43:19 IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
08:43:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE OF THEIR
08:43:22 REGULAR MEETINGS?
08:43:24 ONE OF THEIR COMMITTEE'S REGULAR MEETINGS?
08:43:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
08:43:28 I WOULD SAY THEY MEET EVERY COUPLE WEEKS, OR JUST FOR
08:43:32 COUNCIL TO GO OUT THERE WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND
08:43:34 SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.
08:43:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE THE HOUSING MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF
08:43:39 THE HOUSING AUTHORITY GOING TO BE PRESENT?
08:43:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T -- NO.
08:43:46 THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, I'M SURE IT WILL JUST BE THEIR
08:43:50 REGULAR COUNCIL PEOPLE AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE EXECUTIVES
08:43:53 OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
08:44:05 >>BILL CARLSON: TO MARTY AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, IS THERE A
08:44:08 REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING THAT WE COULD JUST GET
08:44:11 INVITED TO, LIKE WE WOULD GET INVITED TO ANYTHING ELSE?
08:44:16 SO THERE WOULDN'T BE EXPECTATION --
08:44:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
08:44:22 TAMPA COUNCIL MEETING AT ROBLES, AND YOU HAVE THIS NEW, I
08:44:25 GUESS, COMMITTEE THAT'S IN WITH THE ISSUE OF THE
08:44:30 CEMETERY.
08:44:30 I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL WORK OF SOME OF THOSE MEETINGS
08:44:35 BUT WE CAN'T BE IN THOSE DISCUSSION THINGS.
08:44:38 >>BILL CARLSON: WE JUST CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
08:44:45 I'M SORRY.
08:44:46 BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TO THOSE MEETINGS.
08:44:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CONCERN IS THAT THE SUNSHINE LAW
08:44:51 HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, NOT JUST FLOE, TO NOTICE A
08:44:54 MEETING IS JUST ONE LEG OF THE STOOL THAT HAS TO BE
08:44:58 COMPLIED WITH.
08:44:59 AND THESE SORT OF TOURS ARE WALKING TAURUS, ARE VERY,
08:45:03 VERY DIFFICULT TO COMPLY REQUEST THEM, PROBLEMATIC.
08:45:07 AND FRANKLY WE LEARNED HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS WITH THE
08:45:12 WATER PLANT.
08:45:13 BUT YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT BECAUSE IDEALLY IT'S SORT OF
08:45:15 LIKE WHAT YOU DO WITH T.H.A.N., OR WHAT YOU ARE DOING
08:45:18 WITH THE TOWN HALL, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOCATION, AND A TIME
08:45:21 AND A PLACE.
08:45:22 AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME TO.
08:45:24 AND THAT QUAY YOU HAVE PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A
08:45:28 PUBLIC MEETING IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROPER NOTICE BUT YOU
08:45:30 ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A PROPER LOCATION.
08:45:32 AND THAT HAS CERTAIN LEGAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO
08:45:35 MEET AND IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE.
08:45:40 >>BILL CARLSON: MARTY, THERE ARE EVENTS ALL THE TIME
08:45:42 WHERE WE ALL GET INVITED.
08:45:44 WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE OTHERS ARE INVITED BUT WE SHOW UP.
08:45:47 IF THERE'S A COMMITTEE MEETING, IF ORLANDO GIVES US THE
08:45:50 SCHEDULE AND WE JUST SLOW UP -- DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD
08:45:55 SATISFY THE CONCERN?
08:45:57 HAVE ALL THE OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS HAD A SPECIAL TOUR
08:46:00 AND EVERYTHING?
08:46:01 OR ARE THEY JUST SHOWING UP AT THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS?
08:46:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
08:46:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR MICROPHONE.
08:46:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS CALLED TO A MEETING AT THE PRESS
08:46:19 CONFERENCE WITH THE STATE REP, SENATOR, AND THAT'S HOW
08:46:24 THAT WENT.
08:46:27 >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL GO TO WHATEVER YOU RECOMMEND AS
08:46:29 LONG AS MARTY SAYS OKAY.
08:46:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MIND YOU, JUST LIKE WITH ANY OTHER
08:46:33 ISSUE, THERE'S NOTHING TO KEEP COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM GOING
08:46:36 INDIVIDUALLY.
08:46:37 ONE SUGGESTION THAT SOMEBODY MADE WAS TO STAGGER IT, HAVE
08:46:41 SOME PEOPLE DO IT OVER A PERIOD OF HOURS, IF PEOPLE WANT
08:46:43 TO DO THAT.
08:46:44 I KNOW IT'S MORE DIFFICULT.
08:46:45 >>LUIS VIERA: WE ARE FINE.
08:46:48 IF COUNCILMAN GUDES MADE A MOTION WE CAN ALL BE THERE.
08:46:51 LET ME ASK YOU --
08:46:53 >> WHERE IS THERE?
08:46:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, CAN THAT BE
08:46:58 ACCOMMODATED LEGALLY FOR A PUBLIC MEETING?
08:47:01 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW.
08:47:04 >> WAS WHAT WAS THE VOTE ON IT BY THE QUAY?
08:47:07 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT.
08:47:09 HOPEFULLY TOMORROW YOU CAN SEE IF IT'S LEGALLY
08:47:12 SUFFICIENT. IF NOT THEN WE'LL MAKE PLAN B.
08:47:14 BUT I'M FINE TO SUPPORT IT.
08:47:16 I'LL BE THERE.
08:47:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. STRINGER TOLD MY AIDE, HEY, WE'LL
08:47:26 MAKE SURE IN THE MORNING, CALL MS. STRINGER.
08:47:30 >>LUIS VIERA: SHE'S AT WHAT LAW FIRM? MY BUDDY USED TO
08:47:33 WORK THERE. DARN IT.
08:47:39 SAXON GILMORE.
08:47:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK IT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE IF
08:47:46 IT'S AN ACTION OF COUNCIL AND VOTED ON AND IT BECOMES A
08:47:50 MOTION OF COUNCIL, THEN THAT WILL BE GOOD.
08:47:53 >>LUIS VIERA: SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
08:47:54 ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
08:47:55 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
08:47:57 A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
08:47:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:48:00 ANY OPPOSED?
08:48:01 OKAY.
08:48:01 >>THE CLERK: MR. CHAIRMAN, JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S
08:48:06 OFFICE.
08:48:06 FOR CLARITY THAT WAS FOR A SPECIAL CALLED SESSION OF
08:48:09 COUNCIL AT ROBLES PARK NOVEMBER 8th AT 1:30 P.M.
08:48:13 >>LUIS VIERA: YES. THANK YOU.
08:48:19 WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
08:48:20 ALL IN FAVOR?
08:48:21 ANY OPPOSED?
08:48:22 THAT WAS DONE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN
08:48:26 GUDES.
08:48:27 CONGRATULATIONS.
08:48:30 GOOD EVENING.
08:48:31 [MEETING ADJOURNED]
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