CITY OF TAMPA
CRA SPECIAL CALLED MEETING
MONDAY, OCTOBER 28, 2019
9:00 A.M.
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08:13:07
09:02:26 >> JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THIS
09:02:30 WORKSHOP FOR THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IS NOW IN
09:02:35 SESSION.
09:02:35 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
09:02:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S MY PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO
09:02:40 WELCOME OUR FRIEND, SANDY SANCHEZ, TO GIVE THE
09:02:43 INVOCATION.
09:02:44 SHE IS PRESIDENT OF THE ARMORY GARDEN CIVIC ASSOCIATION
09:02:47 AND SECRETARY OF THE WEST TAMPA CHAMBER.
09:02:51 SANDY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND PLEASE STAND AND
09:02:53 REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE.
09:02:56 >> WE PRAY THAT WE WILL RECEIVE GOD'S LIGHT AND COURAGE
09:03:09 TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE THE CREATIVITY THAT INSPIRE
09:03:12 US.
09:03:13 BLESS US WITH THE SPIRIT, STAMINA AND BOLDNESS TO OPEN
09:03:16 OUR MINDS, SHARE IDEAS AND TO TAKE NEW RISKS.
09:03:20 GUIDE US TO LISTEN, UNDERSTAND, AND LEARN SO WE MIGHT
09:03:23 MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS IN THE PRESENT AND IN THE FUTURE
09:03:26 FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
09:03:27 AMEN.
09:03:28 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:03:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:03:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:03:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:03:52 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:03:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:03:55 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS NOT FEEL
09:03:57 WELL.
09:03:58 HE IS GOING TO NOT BE HERE TODAY.
09:04:01 COUNCILMEN, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
09:04:04 LET'S GET COMFORTABLE, PLEASE, IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE YOUR
09:04:08 JACKETS AND YOUR TIES.
09:04:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CANNOT DO THAT.
09:04:15 HAVE TO LOOK PROFESSIONAL AT ALL TIMES.
09:04:16 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:04:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE CAN ALL GET COMFORTABLE IN THIS.
09:04:22 >> I SLEEP IN A SUIT.
09:04:24 I'M A LAWYER.
09:04:25 I SLEEP IN A TIE.
09:04:27 >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE A 10:30 APPOINTMENT NEXT
09:04:31 DOOR AT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE STEPPING OUT.
09:04:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
09:04:35 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:04:39 >>BILL CARLSON: I APOLOGIZE.
09:04:40 I SAW THE AGENDA LAST NIGHT.
09:04:43 I SENT AN E-MAIL TO STAFF.
09:04:46 WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA TODAY IS NOT REALLY STRATEGIC
09:04:50 PLANNING AGENDA, IT'S KIND OF LOOSE DISCUSSION.
09:04:52 WE HAVE TWO OR THREE HOURS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THIS
09:04:54 MORNING, AND THERE'S A LONG PRESENTATION, PROBABLY AN
09:04:57 HOUR ON WHAT A CRA IS.
09:04:59 AND SOME OF THE CRITICISM THAT WE OR I HAVE GOTTEN IN THE
09:05:03 LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IS MAYBE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A
09:05:05 CRA IS.
09:05:06 AND I DON'T NEED AN HOUR-LONG LECTURE.
09:05:09 I READ 163 TWICE LAST NIGHT AND I READ THE MIAMI GRAND
09:05:14 JURY REPORT.
09:05:15 AND I JUST WISH THAT WE COULD SAVE TIME INSTEAD OF GOING
09:05:18 THROUGH A PRESENTATION ON WHAT THE CRA IS AND JUST GO
09:05:21 RIGHT INTO STRATEGIC PLANNING AND MAYBE DO GOAL SETTING
09:05:25 AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT LEGAL PARAMETERS, PARAMETERS FOR THE
09:05:28 CACs, THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT WE DO
09:05:32 IN A STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP.
09:05:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD DO THAT, BUT CHIEF BENNETT HAS
09:05:39 OPENING STATEMENTS.
09:05:39 AND ALSO TO DO OPENING STATEMENTS.
09:05:44 I WOULD LIKE TO ADHERE TO THIS.
09:05:45 AND AFTERWARDS IF YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT.
09:05:48 I HAVE ALSO ASKED MS. CAROL WESTMORELAND WHO IS PART OF
09:05:54 THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION TO COME DOWN AND
09:05:56 GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON THE STATE'S LEGALITY.
09:06:01 SO IF WE CAN -- IF WE CAN STICK TO THE AGENDA.
09:06:05 CHIEF, IF YOU DO NOT MIND, OPEN THE LECTERN UP FOR PUBLIC
09:06:10 COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
09:06:11 NOW, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU
09:06:13 HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO THAT.
09:06:15 HOWEVER, AS PER MR. ROBINSON'S REQUEST, ANYBODY THAT
09:06:20 WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS WORKSHOP CAN DO SO AT THE END
09:06:24 OF THE WORKSHOP.
09:06:27 THANK YOU.
09:06:28 SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OR COMMENT AT THIS
09:06:30 TIME.
09:06:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I SEE A LOT OF CAC BOARD
09:06:37 MEMBERS, ASSOCIATIONS, WERE ALL CAC BOARDS NOTIFIED THAT
09:06:42 WE ARE HAVING THIS WORKSHOP?
09:06:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THEY WERE.
09:06:45 IS ANYBODY HERE WANTING TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT?
09:06:49 AT THIS TIME?
09:06:51 GOING ONCE.
09:06:52 GOING TWICE.
09:06:54 SOLD.
09:06:56 CHIEF BENNETT.
09:06:59 YOU'RE ON.
09:07:00 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:07:03 I APPRECIATE THE TONE OF THE WORKSHOP THIS MORNING ABOUT
09:07:07 GETTING COMFORTABLE AND REALLY ROLLING UP OUR SLEEVES,
09:07:10 EVEN IF IT'S VIRTUALLY TO EMBELLISH THIS EXCITING DAY.
09:07:15 I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DAY FOR ABOUT 45
09:07:18 DAYS.
09:07:20 THIS IS DAY 51 FOR ME IN THE OFFICE AND I THINK WE HAVE
09:07:23 ACCOMPLISHED A LOT IN THE BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME AT LEAST I
09:07:26 HAVE BEEN BACK WITH THE CITY.
09:07:28 I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE SENTIMENTS ABOUT THE OPENING
09:07:30 SIDE OF OUR WORKSHOP.
09:07:32 BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TAUGHT A LOT OF DIFFERENT
09:07:35 CLASSES IN DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS AND NOT EVERYBODY ENTERS
09:07:38 THE ROOM AS A BLACK BELT.
09:07:39 SOME PEOPLE COME IN WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EXPERIENCE
09:07:42 AND UNDERSTANDING, AND I HAVE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN
09:07:45 NATURALLY IN THE TWO CRA MEETINGS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED IN
09:07:49 THESE CHAMBERS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A
09:07:54 BASELINE UNDERSTANDING BASED ON NEW COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP,
09:07:57 NEW BOARD MEMBERSHIP.
09:07:59 YOU KNOW, THE WORD THAT STANDS OUT TO ME THE MOST IS
09:08:01 COMMUNITY, AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT.
09:08:04 COMMUNITY IS SO IMPORTANT, AND I'M GLAD THEY WERE
09:08:08 NOTICED, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BUBBLES UP FROM THE
09:08:10 COMMUNITY AND ALLOWS THE CRA BOARD TO ACT ON THOSE THINGS
09:08:14 THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY.
09:08:16 AND I THINK WHAT YOU WILL FIND DURING THE HARD WORK OF
09:08:19 STAFF THAT I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO POINT OUT, AND MICHELLE
09:08:22 VAN LOAN, ANDREA ZELMAN ARE GOING TO BE CO-FACILITATORS
09:08:27 ALONG WITH THE CRA MANAGERS AND SUPPORT STAFF THAT WE
09:08:30 WANT TO PUT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE. THIS IS ABOUT YOUR
09:08:33 STRATEGIC OVERARCHING WAY OF SERVICING THIS CRA BOARD FOR
09:08:42 THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHAT I OPENED UP WITH.
09:08:44 SO WE CAN GO AS FAST OR AS SLOW ON THE TECHNICALITIES OF
09:08:47 CRA ASPECT OF LEGAL PART.
09:08:49 BUT ONCE THAT'S OVER THE FORUM IS REALLY YOURS ABOUT HOW
09:08:53 WE PUT THAT STRATEGIC OVERLAY PLAN TOGETHER TO FACILITATE
09:08:56 YOUR SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY.
09:08:59 AND I'M DOUBLE BOOKED TODAY.
09:09:02 SO ONCE THE FACILITATION STARTS, I AM GOING TO JUMP OUT
09:09:05 TO BE A FEW MEETINGS, BUT I WANT TO COME BACK
09:09:08 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SCOPING OUT THE
09:09:14 DIRECTOR OF THE CRA PROJECTS, IF YOU WILL, OR OVERSIGHT
09:09:18 OF THE MANAGEMENT SIDE THAT CAN WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE
09:09:21 BOARD TO FACILITATE FUTURE CRA MOVEMENT.
09:09:25 BUT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO FIND TODAY IS REALLY
09:09:29 THROTTLED BY YOU.
09:09:30 YOU ARE THE CRA BOARD.
09:09:31 EVERYTHING ENDS HERE BUT IT ALL STARTS IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:09:34 AND I KNOW A LOT OF YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY, BUT I THINK
09:09:36 IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ENTER A ROOM LIKE THIS, WE REALIZE
09:09:40 WE ARE NOT IN A VACUUM OF GOVERNMENT.
09:09:42 WE ARE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT ROLES.
09:09:44 AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A NICE
09:09:47 BASELINE, MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND TO GO AS FAST OR
09:09:51 SLOW AS YOU WANT TO AND THEN WE CAN ACCELERATE INTO THAT
09:09:54 CREATIVE SPACE AND ACTUALLY DELIVER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF
09:09:56 CRA LAWS AND RULES, PROCEDURES, AND THE AGREEMENT, EVEN
09:10:00 IF THE AGREEMENT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED WHICH IS FINE, WE
09:10:03 CAN GET THIS MODEL WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE AND WE ALL
09:10:06 START FRESH AND WE MOVE THIS THING FORWARD.
09:10:08 HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SENSE.
09:10:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
09:10:12 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:10:15 >>BILL CARLSON: AGAIN BACK TO THE AGENDA I THINK WE HAVE
09:10:17 A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME.
09:10:18 IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A REMEDIAL PROGRAM I WISH WE COULD
09:10:22 LIMIT TO THE FIVE OR TEN MINUTES.
09:10:23 IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, THE ONLY THING THAT LOOKS LIKE
09:10:25 A STRATEGIC PLAN IS THE PRIORITIES DISCUSSION, BUT
09:10:28 THERE'S NO DISCUSSION OF PUTTING TOGETHER AN ACTUAL PLAN
09:10:31 OR IN PARTICULAR SETTING GUIDELINES FOR THE CACs OR ANY
09:10:35 OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED UP HERE. SO MAYBE
09:10:37 WE'LL GET TO THOSE.
09:10:38 BUT MY FEAR IS WE SPEND AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF GOING
09:10:41 THROUGH THE REMEDIAL STUFF, THEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE
09:10:44 TIME TO GET TO THE MEAT OF IT ESPECIALLY AS PEOPLE HAVE
09:10:46 TO START LEAVING.
09:10:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE IF I COULD,
09:10:49 CHIEF, I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGENDA
09:10:52 AS IS, AND IF WE WANT TO MAKE FUTURE PLANS OR ANY OTHER
09:10:55 TYPE OF ACTIONS, WE DO THAT DURING A REGULAR CRA MEETING.
09:11:00 THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
09:11:02 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT SAYS STRATEGIC PLANNING
09:11:05 WORKSHOP SO THE IDEA WHEN WE SET IT UP WAS TO CREATE A
09:11:08 STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT THERE'S NOT -- THE WAY THE AGENDA IS
09:11:11 SET UP THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A STRATEGIC PLAN AT THE
09:11:13 END OF THIS.
09:11:14 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND MY POSITION ON THAT IS AGAIN YOU CAN
09:11:17 THROTTLE THROUGH THIS AS FAST OR SLOW AS YOU NEED TO, TO
09:11:20 GET TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN PORTION.
09:11:22 BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT EVERYBODY STARTS ON THE SAME
09:11:24 LEGAL UNDERSTANDING.
09:11:26 ALL OF THE FOUNDATIONAL FRAMEWORK, BECAUSE IF WE MISS ANY
09:11:28 OF THAT, THEN WE JEOPARDIZE THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROGRAM.
09:11:32 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY UP THERE THE CAC
09:11:34 GETS TO THE CRA BOARD IN THE PROPER SCOPE AND THEN FROM
09:11:38 THERE WE CAN WORK ON THE STRATEGIC FOCUS PART, AND OF
09:11:40 COURSE THAT CAN BE AS LONG OR SHORT AS YOU WANT TO AS THE
09:11:44 CRA BOARD.
09:11:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:11:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON, DID YOU INDICATE YOU
09:11:51 NEEDED TO LEAVE AT A CERTAIN POINT?
09:11:54 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK MR. GUDES SAID HE WAS GOING TO
09:11:56 LEAVE.
09:11:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYBODY ELSE?
09:12:02 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A LUNCH AT 12 I AM LOOKING AT MOVING
09:12:05 FOR THIS BUT THAT CAN BE MOVED.
09:12:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M AVAILABLE UNTIL 7 P.M.
09:12:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITH A TIE ON.
09:12:13 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:12:15 >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S NOT A STRATEGIC PLANNING AGENDA
09:12:16 HERE.
09:12:17 THERE'S NOT AN AGENDA.
09:12:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOLD ON.
09:12:23 I RECOGNIZE LINDA SAUL-SENA, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR HER MANY,
09:12:30 MANY, MANY YEARS OF SERVICE.
09:12:32 HOW MANY YEARS, 16?
09:12:38 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: 20.
09:12:39 I THOUGHT THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS --
09:12:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT
09:12:49 AT THE END FOR THIS WORKSHOP.
09:12:51 HOWEVER --
09:12:54 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: MAY I?
09:12:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LINDA SAUL-SENA.
09:12:58 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:12:59 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:13:01 SO I WAS THRILLED WHEN I UNDERSTOOD THAT HAD YOU ALL WERE
09:13:03 HAVING THIS MEETING TODAY BECAUSE I SERVED FOR MANY YEARS
09:13:07 AS A CRA MEMBER.
09:13:09 ALMOST 20.
09:13:10 AND THE CRA HAS VERY DISTINCT POWERS THAT HAVE NEVER,S IN
09:13:16 MY OPINION, BEEN FULLY UTILIZED.
09:13:19 I ENCOURAGE YOU SO MUCH TO FEEL THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU
09:13:26 ARE ABLE AS THE CRA BOARD TO SHAPE THE DIRECTION OF THE
09:13:32 COMMUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE POWER TO WORK WITH THE CITIZENS
09:13:36 IN DEVELOPING THE BOUNDARIES OF CRA OPPORTUNITIES.
09:13:40 AND I'M TELLING YOU, FOR YEARS, FOR DECADES, I WAS
09:13:46 THWARTED BY AN ATTORNEY WHO DENIED THAT WE HAD THAT
09:13:51 ABILITY, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.
09:13:55 I KNOW THAT YOU ALL, AS A CRA BOARD, HAVE THE ABILITY TO
09:13:59 SELECT STAFF, TO DETERMINE PRIORITIES, TO MOVE AHEAD, TO
09:14:03 CHAT WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
09:14:07 YOU CAN REALIZE AND THAT THEY NEED, AND I AM HERE TODAY
09:14:11 REALLY AS A CHEERLEADER.
09:14:13 SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
09:14:15 I REALLY AM THRILLED THAT YOU ARE TAKING THE TIME TO
09:14:18 UNDERSTAND THE BREADTH OF YOUR POWERS AND I ENCOURAGE YOU
09:14:21 TO MOVE FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY.
09:14:23 IF I CAN EVER BE HELPFUL AS INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY, I AM
09:14:28 REALLY HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.
09:14:29 I WENT THROUGH MY NOTES THIS WEEKEND TO SEE WHAT I COULD
09:14:32 FIND.
09:14:32 BUT UNFORTUNATELY MANY OF THE YEARS I SERVED ON COUNCIL
09:14:35 PRECOMPUTER, HARD TO FATHOM, SO I DON'T HAVE RECORDS.
09:14:40 BUT I KNOW THAT I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO DO EXACTLY
09:14:43 WHAT YOU ARE DOING NOW.
09:14:44 THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR SERVICE.
09:14:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:14:48 MRS. SAUL-SENA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID TO INSTITUTE
09:14:51 THIS PROGRAM.
09:14:53 I HAVE BEEN TO OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY HAVE CRAs, AND
09:14:57 OTHER CONFERENCES, AND THEY OPERATE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY,
09:15:00 AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
09:15:01 THE CRA BOARD HAS THE POWER AND SHOULD BE ENGAGING WITH
09:15:04 THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING THOSE SUGGESTIONS TO SHAPE.
09:15:06 ALONG WITH THE CAC BOARD, MEMBERS WE SELECTED.
09:15:09 BUT WHEN I GO TO OTHER CITIES AND OTHER CONFERENCES I
09:15:11 NOTICE THE CRA BOARDS, THEY SHAPE THE DIRECTION THEY WANT
09:15:14 TO GO AND THE STAFF.
09:15:16 I JUST CAME BACK FROM A CONFERENCE, AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
09:15:18 IT'S NOT JUST THE CAC BOARD MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
09:15:22 IT IS THE CAC BOARD OUT THERE WITH THE COMMUNITY BRINGING
09:15:27 BACK SUGGESTIONS TO THE BOARD AT LARGE.
09:15:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE CRA BOARD
09:15:33 FOR TWO YEARS, SEVERAL PEOPLE KEPT TELLING ME, YOU DON'T
09:15:38 REALIZE THE POWER YOU HAVE, MORE SO THAN THE CHAIRMAN OF
09:15:40 THE REGULAR BOARD.
09:15:41 AND I SAID, BUT IT'S THE CHAIRMAN OF THE REGULAR BOARD.
09:15:44 THEY GO, NO, BECAUSE IT'S SEPARATE, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN
09:15:46 ATTORNEY, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN STAFF, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR
09:15:49 CAN'T THWART SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR BOARD
09:15:51 MEMBERS AND YOU ARE UNIQUE IN THAT SITUATION.
09:15:54 AND I THINK WHAT HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING WAS CORRECTED,
09:15:57 YOU KNOW.
09:15:58 YOU HAD SOMEONE, AN ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, THAT WOULD NOT
09:16:02 TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT OF YOUR AUTHORITY AS A CRA
09:16:04 BOARD.
09:16:05 AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS WORKSHOP TODAY IT OPENS
09:16:08 THAT CONVERSATION SO WE REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN
09:16:10 AND CAN'T DO.
09:16:11 AND AT WHAT LEVEL.
09:16:13 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
09:16:14 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY YEARS OF SERVICE.
09:16:16 I HAVE ALWAYS ADMIRED YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.
09:16:19 THANK YOU.
09:16:19 >>LINDA SAUL-SENA: THANK YOU.
09:16:22 >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
09:16:24 YOU ARE ONE OF OUR VERY DISTINGUISHED FORMER MEMBERS HERE
09:16:27 AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ALWAYS SINGS YOUR
09:16:30 PRAISES.
09:16:30 I THINK YOU PROBABLY MENTIONED MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES
09:16:33 IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
09:16:35 SO JUST A PLEASURE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
09:16:36 THANK YOU.
09:16:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
09:16:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, LINDA.
09:16:41 AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AND WE ALWAYS WELCOME YOUR
09:16:44 COMMENTS.
09:16:45 MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO THIS PROCEDURAL ISSUE --
09:16:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE DISCUSS THAT IN ONE SECOND AND LET
09:16:57 MS. SAUL-SENA EITHER STAY AT THE PODIUM?
09:17:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK SHE'S DONE.
09:17:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND MAY I HAVE A COMMENT?
09:17:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DINGFELDER.
09:17:07 MS. SAUL-SENA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HELPED START WITH
09:17:10 THE CRAs IN THIS CITY.
09:17:12 MY EIGHT YEARS OF WORKING WITH THE YCDC I HAVE SEEN GREAT
09:17:16 THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH CRAs AND HOW THE
09:17:19 COMMUNITIES CAN BE HELPED BY TAKING THESE MONEYS AND
09:17:21 REDEVELOPING THESE AREAS.
09:17:26 AND PART OF STARTING THIS AND MAKING SURE THE CITY OF
09:17:28 TAMPA'S CRA IS WORKING WELL ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE
09:17:34 STATE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
09:17:38 WE HAVE BEEN WAY AHEAD OF THE PACK.
09:17:40 AND EVEN BEFORE THE STATE STARTED LOOKING DOWN ON CRAs
09:17:43 WE WERE THERE FULFILLING THEIR WANTS AND THEIR NEEDS.
09:17:46 SO I THANK YOU FOR ESTABLISHING THIS CRA AND ALL THE
09:17:50 CRAs IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:17:52 THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.
09:17:57 ANYONE ELSE?
09:17:59 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:18:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, LINDA. ANYWAY,
09:18:04 PROCEDURALLY, SINCE COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A PRIOR
09:18:06 COMMITMENT AT TEN SOMETHING --
09:18:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 10:30.
09:18:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT
09:18:18 US LOSING MOMENTUM ON THE REAL ISSUE THAT WE ARE HERE
09:18:21 ABOUT, WHICH IS THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PART OF IT, WHICH
09:18:25 IS KIND OF UNPRECEDENTED, AS MR. CARLSON SAID.
09:18:30 I WOULD SUPPORT FLIPPING, YOU KNOW, FLIPPING IT AND
09:18:33 TALKING ABOUT THE THING AND THEN HAVING SORT OF A PRIMMER
09:18:39 COURSE AFTERWARD.
09:18:41 I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND THAT
09:18:44 SORT OF THING BUT I THINK WE ARE ALL PRETTY WELL INFORMED
09:18:46 ON THOSE OTHER ISSUES.
09:18:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN.
09:18:56 >>Michelle Van Loan: ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
09:18:58 GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.
09:18:59 I DO BELIEVE OUR CRA WANTED TO MAKE AN OPENING STATEMENT
09:19:02 ALSO.
09:19:03 BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO PROMISE ALL OF YOU, I
09:19:06 HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF TALKING TO YOU FOR
09:19:08 ANYWHERE NEAR AN HOUR.
09:19:10 WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP AT OUR OCTOBER 10th MEETING
09:19:12 IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE PROVIDE YOU BACKGROUND
09:19:15 INFORMATION SO THAT WE WERE NOT SUBMITTING TO YOU
09:19:17 MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS, HANDOUTS AND BACKGROUNDS.
09:19:20 WE PUT ALL THE INFORMATION IN THE POWER POINT.
09:19:22 I WILL NOT BE READING EVERY BULLET IN THIS POWER POINT.
09:19:25 WE JUST WANT TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS AND MAKE SURE THAT
09:19:28 NONE OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
09:19:33 SO WE ARE NOT EXPECTING TO PRESENT TO YOU A BOOT CAMP
09:19:36 101.
09:19:37 WE ARE JUST HELPING SET THE STAGE, THE COMMUNITY PLANS,
09:19:43 AND THEN OPEN THE FLOOR TO YOU.
09:19:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. ZELMAN, IF I MAY HAVE ONE SECOND.
09:19:55 MS. BURTON, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC COMMENTS?
09:19:57 I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS THE VOICE, AND I CAN GIVE YOU
09:20:01 THREE MINUTES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:20:03 NOW, I MUST TELL YOU THAT CONCERNING THIS WORKSHOP, THERE
09:20:06 IS GOING TO BE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THE WORKSHOP.
09:20:09 BUT PLEASE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:20:10 >> CONNIE BURTON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:20:11 GOOD MORNING.
09:20:13 I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A FULL ROBUST DISCUSSION AROUND
09:20:17 THIS CRA WORKSHOP, AND WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS THE
09:20:22 FOCUSING ON EAST TAMPA.
09:20:31 IT HAS BEEN SINCE OCTOBER 2009 PLAN SINCE WE HAD A
09:20:37 STRATEGIC PLAN, WITH STAFF BEING THE CONDUCTOR.
09:20:39 I CAN TELL THAT YOU WE HAVE WATCHED A LOT OF SOCIAL
09:20:44 ENGINEERING OF EAST TAMPA AND WHAT I AM CONSTANTLY
09:20:47 HEARING IS WHILE WE DON'T SEE GOOD DRAMATIC CHANGES, WHAT
09:20:51 WE ARE WITNESSING IN EAST TAMPA, UNLIKE WHAT SOME PEOPLE
09:20:55 MIGHT COME AND REPORT TO YOU, IS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE
09:20:58 TOTING THE WATER FOR THE CITY'S INITIATIVE.
09:21:01 WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN WITH THE MONEYS THAT IS
09:21:04 COMING TO THIS COMMUNITY.
09:21:05 THE COMMUNITY HAVE ALL TYPE OF CREATIVE IDEAS IN TERMS OF
09:21:10 INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS AS TO OHIO WE CAN GET ECONOMIC
09:21:14 DEVELOPMENT ON THE GROUND.
09:21:15 HOW WE CAN CHANGE THE HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT THAT WE SEE IN
09:21:19 OUR CITY, HOW WE CAN CREATE A HOUSING MODEL THAT PEOPLE
09:21:25 THAT'S WORKING WITH MINIMAL JOBS WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE
09:21:28 FORWARD.
09:21:28 WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE CONTINUATION OF SOCIAL
09:21:33 ENGINEERING.
09:21:33 WE WOULD HOPE THAT THIS BOARD -- AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I'M
09:21:36 TALKING ABOUT WE ARE USING MONEYS INSIDE OF OUR CRA TO
09:21:40 SUPPORT -- FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND $100,000.
09:21:48 I AM TALKING ABOUT HAVING A CRA MANAGER FOR THE LAST 15
09:21:51 YEARS, AND WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT EAST TAMPA, YOU
09:21:53 DON'T SEE NO CONSIDERABLE CHANGE.
09:21:56 WE WANT TO SEE REAL CHANGE THAT WE CAN OFFER SOMETHING
09:21:59 BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
09:22:01 AND WITH THAT I WILL SAY, IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE ARE SAYING
09:22:05 TAKE A CLEAN BROOM AND SWEEP HARD SO WE CAN SEE WITHIN
09:22:09 THE NEXT 15 A DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CRA THAT EAST TAMPA
09:22:14 WILL HAVE CONSIDERABLE CHANGES, AND THAT THE COMMUNITY
09:22:19 WILL NOT BE FORCED OUT BECAUSE WE NO LONGER ARE ABLE TO
09:22:22 LIVE THERE.
09:22:22 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
09:22:24 WE ARE HOPING THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH COURAGE TO UTILIZE
09:22:28 YOUR STAFF AND YOUR ATTORNEY TO SAY THIS IS THE DIRECTION
09:22:31 THAT THIS EAST TAMPA CRA NEED TO BE MOVING IN SO WE CAN
09:22:35 SEE A FULL LIFT.
09:22:37 THANK YOU.
09:22:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. BURTON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR
09:22:42 THE RECORD.
09:22:43 >> SORRY.
09:22:44 CONNIE BURTON.
09:22:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:22:48 MS. ZELMAN.
09:22:51 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHAT I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE, THE
09:22:54 BOARD AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC, IS CRAs ARE ACCRETION OF
09:22:57 THE FLORIDA STATUTE.
09:23:00 EVERYTHING THE CRA BOARD DOES MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
09:23:05 FLORIDA STATUTES.
09:23:07 AND I'M GOING TO JUMP AHEAD.
09:23:08 I GAVE YOU A LONG, WELL, THREE-PAGE SUMMARY OF THE
09:23:14 TAKEAWAYS FROM THE MIAMI GRAND JURY REPORT WHICH A LOT OF
09:23:18 PEOPLE BRING UP, AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN -- BOARD
09:23:21 MEMBER CARLSON FOR PROVIDING ME WITH A COPY.
09:23:24 I WANT TO TALK VERY BRIEFLY A LOT OF PEOPLE POINT TO THAT
09:23:30 REPORT AND SAY THESE REPORTS ARE BAD, IF YOU READ THE
09:23:33 REPORT THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
09:23:35 THEY WERE APPLAUDING THE ABILITY OF CRAs TO DO WHAT MS.
09:23:39 SAUL-SENA REFERRED TO, TO REALLY CHANGE COMMUNITIES, WHAT
09:23:42 THE GRAND JURY REPORT WAS CRITICAL OF WAS CRA
09:23:48 PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT HAD BEEN HISTORICALLY
09:23:50 MISMANAGED THAT CAME UP WITH A LONG LIST OF
09:23:53 RECOMMENDATIONS, MANY OF WHICH WERE ADOPTED BY THE
09:23:55 FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR.
09:24:00 AND I HAVE CITED THOSE IN THIS SUMMARY AND I HAVE POINTED
09:24:03 OUT THAT MOST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR MOST OF THE NEW
09:24:06 REQUIREMENTS IN THE STATUTE ARE CRAS, OUR CRAs WERE
09:24:13 ALREADY DOING.
09:24:14 SOCIETY WE GOT A GOOD REPORT CARD IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT
09:24:17 WAY.
09:24:17 BUT THE IMPORTANT POINT IS AGAIN, THE GRAND JURY WASN'T
09:24:26 RECOMMENDING DOING AWAY WITH CRAs.
09:24:28 THEY WERE RECOMMENDING MANAGING THEM BETTER.
09:24:30 THE THEME THAT CAME OUT OF THE GRAND JURY REPORT AND THE
09:24:34 2019 LEGISLATION ARE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
09:24:41 OUR STAFF WILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT A LOT MORE DETAIL OR TO
09:24:46 REFORMAT THE REPORTS THEY ARE ALREADY DOING TO COMPLY
09:24:49 WITH THE STATUTE.
09:24:50 BUT THAT'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE THEME.
09:24:53 THE NUMBER TWO THEME, I WOULD SAY, IS NO MONEYS CAN BE
09:24:58 SPENT ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT AUTHORIZED BY THE STATUTE.
09:25:04 THE STATUTE IS VERY CLEAR ON WHAT YOU CAN SPEND TIF FUNDS
09:25:08 ON AND WHAT YOU CAN'T SPEND TIF FUNDS ON.
09:25:11 I THINK IF YOU JUST KEEP IN MIND OF WHY CRAs ARE
09:25:14 CREATED, THEY ARE CREATED TO ELIMINATE SLUM, BLIGHT AND
09:25:18 PROMOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE AVAILABILITY OF
09:25:20 AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:25:22 THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO TIE YOUR TIF EXPENDITURES TO.
09:25:26 THE OTHER THING WHICH I KNOW WE SAY THIS OVER AND OVER
09:25:29 AGAIN, BUT IF IT BEARS REPEATING, YOU CAN'T SPEND TIF
09:25:33 FUNDS ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY
09:25:37 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:25:38 EACH CRA HAS A COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:25:41 YOU CAN'T GO OUTSIDE THOSE PARAMETERS.
09:25:44 ANOTHER TAKEAWAY FROM THE GRAND JURY REPORT IS THERE'S
09:25:49 GOT TO BE MORE OF A FOCUS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:25:52 THAT'S IN THE STATUTE.
09:25:53 IT'S IN THE GRAND JURY REPORT.
09:25:56 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT UNFORTUNATELY, PARTICULARLY IN
09:25:59 THE MIAMI-DADE AREA THAT THEY WERE CITING AND THE GRAND
09:26:02 JURY REPORT WAS NEGLECTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TOO NEED TO
09:26:06 INCREASE OUR EFFORTS TO PROMOTE THAT.
09:26:09 ONE FINAL TAKEAWAY IS THE 2019 STATUTE REQUIRES THAT
09:26:14 EVERY CRA BOARD MEMBER GETS FOUR HOURS OF ETHICS
09:26:16 TRAINING.
09:26:17 YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU ARE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE ALREADY
09:26:20 REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
09:26:23 I KNOW MARTY HAS BEEN TRYING TO SCHEDULE IT.
09:26:25 PLEASE BE SURE THAT YOU ALL GET THAT TRAINING.
09:26:29 AND ONE FINAL COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE BECAUSE SOMEONE
09:26:32 BROUGHT UP THE CACs.
09:26:36 THE CACs ARE NOT ACCRETION OF THE STATUTE.
09:26:39 THE CACs ARE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CRA
09:26:43 DECIDED TO DO A WHILE AGO TO INCLUDE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT
09:26:48 IN THE CRAs WHICH BY THE WAY IS SOMETHING THE GRAND
09:26:54 JURY IN MIAMI-DADE RECOMMENDED.
09:26:56 THEY RECOMMENDED PUTTING CITIZENS ON BOARDS, WHICH AGAIN
09:26:58 THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T REQUIRE, BUT THE POINT IS THE
09:27:01 CITY CRA CREATED THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEES IN
09:27:07 ORDER TO GET CITIZEN INPUT ON WHAT CRA FUNDS ARE SPENT
09:27:11 ON.
09:27:11 SO AGAIN, THE CITY WAS AHEAD ITS TIME IN CREATING THOSE
09:27:16 AND REQUIRING THOSE.
09:27:18 AND WITH THAT, I WILL LET MICHELLE QUICKLY OH -- MAKE
09:27:22 SOME POINTS.
09:27:23 SORRY.
09:27:25 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE SUMMARY.
09:27:26 SINCE I THINK I AM THE FIRST ONE THAT CIRCULATED THE
09:27:29 MIAMI GRAND JURY REPORT, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHY I
09:27:32 DID IT.
09:27:32 I DIDN'T DO IT TO CRITICIZE ANY OF THE PROCESSES IN
09:27:35 TAMPA.
09:27:35 IT SOUNDS LIKE A PROCESS POINTS OF VIEW WE ARE FINE.
09:27:37 I ALSO CIRCULATED IT TO JUSTIFY WHY CRAs ARE BAD.
09:27:41 I THINK THEY ARE BAD FOR OTHER REASONS, TAXPAYERS
09:27:44 GENTRIFICATION AND OTHER THINGS.
09:27:46 BUT THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IN CIRCULATING
09:27:49 IT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 163, IS THAT IT'S NOT ALL
09:27:53 FOCUSED ON STEAL DEVELOPMENT ESTATE AND IN PARTICULAR NOT
09:27:57 FOCUSED ON SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPERS.
09:27:59 AND IN PARTICULAR A POINT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS ONE I
09:28:02 REALLY WANTED TO MENTION IS THE GRAND JURY AND ALSO
09:28:04 LOOKING AT THE 163 WHICH IS HOUSING.
09:28:07 YOU KNOW, REALLY, DOWNTOWN DID A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSING.
09:28:10 EAST TAMPA DOES A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSING.
09:28:12 BESIDES THAT WE ARE NOT FOCUSED ON HOUSING AT ALL.
09:28:15 WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS IN TAMPA.
09:28:17 AND WE HAVE $33 MILLION OR WHATEVER A YEAR.
09:28:21 SO IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE INSTEAD OF JUST
09:28:23 SUBSIDIZING REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT
09:28:28 SOLVING SOME OF THE SOCIAL PROBLEMS AND IF THE SOLUTION
09:28:30 IS BUILDING THAT IS FOR HOUSING, GREAT.
09:28:33 OR IT COULD BE OTHER PURPOSES.
09:28:35 THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS IN 163 BESIDES SUBSIDIZING
09:28:39 DEVELOPERS.
09:28:39 AND I GUESS WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT LATER.
09:28:42 BUT I WANT YOU TO THE LOOK AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES OF
09:28:43 THINGS THAT WE CAN PAY FOR, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
09:28:47 CONSENSUS IS OF THE GROUP SO THAT WE CAN NARROW DOWN THE
09:28:50 SCOPE AND THEN GIVE THE CACs SOME PARAMETERS IN WHICH
09:28:53 TO MAKE DECISIONS.
09:28:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [OFF MICROPHONE] CHIEF BENNETT?
09:29:02 >>JOHN BENNETT: BEFORE I STEP OUT TO THE NEXT MEETING
09:29:04 AND BEFORE MICHELLE GETS STARTED I WANT TO PUT A
09:29:07 FRAMEWORK THAT WORK FOR ME FOR 35 YEARS TOGETHER.
09:29:10 ANYTIME WE DO A STRATEGIC WORKSHOP AND WE MOLD THAT TO
09:29:13 EITHER THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OR REQUEST OF THE CAC
09:29:16 IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO EXECUTION.
09:29:18 AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE TO
09:29:20 EXECUTE THE PLAN THAT IS THE COMMUNITY'S TO START WITH
09:29:24 AND ENDS UP IN FRONT OF YOU AS THE CRA BOARD.
09:29:27 AND I HAVE ALWAYS FOUND IT COMES DOWN TO FOUR THINGS.
09:29:29 THE FIRST THING IS THE PEOPLE.
09:29:30 IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CONSENSUS OF THE PEOPLE, WHICH IS
09:29:33 THE COMMUNITY TO GET WHAT THEY NEED, NO MATTER WHAT
09:29:35 COMMUNITY WE ARE IN, WE ARE STARTING OUT MISSING ONE OF
09:29:37 THE BIGGEST CORNER STONES THERE IS BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE
09:29:40 COMMUNITY EVERY DAY.
09:29:41 THE SECOND THING IS THE PERSONNEL.
09:29:43 WE NEED OUR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE THE PLAN OF THE
09:29:46 COMMUNITY, THE CAC, THE CRA BOARD, TO DELIVER THOSE
09:29:50 THINGS TO THE COMMUNITY.
09:29:51 WE NEED THE POLICYMAKERS, WHICH IS THE THIRD PIECE.
09:29:55 LASTLY WE NEED THE PARTNERSHIPS.
09:29:57 WITHOUT PARTNERS WE ARE LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO.
09:29:59 AND SO TODAY, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS, I WOULD ASK YOU TO
09:30:01 THINK ABOUT THOSE FOUR CORNER STONES AND MAKE SURE THAT
09:30:05 EVERYTHING WE DO TODAY HAS A VEHICLE FOR EXECUTION.
09:30:07 I DON'T THINK MANY OF US WERE HERE WHEN THE CRPs WERE
09:30:11 DEVELOPED, AND NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO NOT ONLY THOSE BUT
09:30:14 THE STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR RFP.
09:30:17 WE HAVE HEARD COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALK ABOUT SEEING THE
09:30:20 RFPs AHEAD OF TIME.
09:30:22 WE HEARD ABOUT COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND OTHER ITSELF AND
09:30:25 EVEN THIS WEEKEND TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
09:30:27 THIS IS A CHANCE TO BE DIFFERENCE MAKERS.
09:30:31 I WISH YOU WELL DURING THE OPENING PART BUT I THINK EVERY
09:30:34 STRATEGY STARTS WITH A POINT IN TIME AND I THINK THAT'S
09:30:36 WHAT MICHELLE IS GOING TO DELIVER NOW AND THEN WE CAN
09:30:39 BUILD TO OR SMACKS AFTER SHE'S DONE.
09:30:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU CHIEF.
09:30:45 MICHELLE.
09:30:49 >>Michelle Van Loan: I AM STARTING OFFICIALLY AT 9:30 ON
09:30:52 MY CELL PHONE.
09:30:53 IF WE CAN HAVE THE POWER POINT.
09:30:58 WE'LL SKIP ALL THE PRETTY STUFF.
09:31:01 SO THE POINT OF THIS SLIDE IS BASICALLY TO TIE IT BACK,
09:31:04 THAT BLIGHT IS TECHNICALLY DEFINED BY 163.
09:31:08 AND IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A CRA, WE HAD TO PROVE THAT THE
09:31:12 COMMUNITIES THAT WE PUT THE CRAs IN AND ESTABLISHED MET
09:31:16 THE CRITERIA OF THE STATE STATUTE FOR HAVING THE ITEMS
09:31:19 LISTED AS SLUM AND BLIGHT.
09:31:24 REASONS TO REVITALIZE, THIS COMES STRAIGHT OUT OF 163 AND
09:31:28 COVERS MOST OF THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE DISCUSSED,
09:31:31 SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE, IMPROVING OUR TAX BASE, OUR
09:31:34 STREETSCAPES, RETAINING AND RECRUITING BUSINESSES.
09:31:38 AGAIN, IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH
09:31:40 THIS, JUST LET ME KNOW AND STOP ME.
09:31:42 OTHERWISE I HAVE ABOUT 90 SECOND TO GET THROUGH THIS.
09:31:46 SO WHAT IS REDEVELOPMENT?
09:31:47 THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS FROM THIS SLIDE IS IT IS
09:31:50 DEFINED.
09:31:50 REDEVELOPMENT IS TECHNICALLY DEFINED BY 163.
09:31:53 REDEVELOPMENT IS WHAT IS IN YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
09:31:56 PLANS.
09:31:56 YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR US AND THROUGHOUT THE POWER POINT
09:31:59 HAMMER IN THAT THEME, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, ALSO
09:32:02 KNOWN AS OUR CRP BECAUSE IT GETS RATHER MONDAY ON THE
09:32:06 MUSS SAYING THAT ALL THE TIME.
09:32:07 ONCE YOU HAVE OUT IN YOUR CRP IT IS THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT
09:32:11 YOU CHOOSE TO FUND THROUGH THE CAC RECOMMENDATIONS AND
09:32:13 THEN BY ADOPTION BY THIS BOARD EVERY YEAR.
09:32:17 THE ASSUMPTION BEHIND A CRA, AND SOMETIMES THAT KIND OF
09:32:21 GETS LOST, IS THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN AN AREA TO BE ABLE
09:32:25 TO INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUES, THEREBY INCREASING THE
09:32:30 TIF, TO THEN REINVEST IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:32:32 AND IT'S A CYCLE.
09:32:35 SO DOES IT WORK?
09:32:36 AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE ME ONE GRAPHIC HERE OR ELSE YOU GET
09:32:40 BORED WITH THE BULLET POINTS.
09:32:41 WE INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY BY TIF DOLLARS THAT HELPS
09:32:44 BUILD THE TAX BASE AND HELPS WITH YOUR INVESTMENTS AND
09:32:47 INVESTING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
09:32:48 SO WE START TO WATER OUR CRA.
09:32:50 WE START INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
09:32:52 WE START TO GET A HEALTHY COMMUNITY.
09:32:54 WE START TO SEE SIGNS OF GOOD GROWTH.
09:32:57 UNFORTUNATELY WE RUN INTO SOMETIMES ECONOMIES THAT AREN'T
09:33:00 ALWAYS MOST FAVORABLE AND OUR HEALTHY COMMUNITY MAY SLACK
09:33:03 A LITTLE BIT, IT MAY STAGNATE, EVENTUALLY WE COME OUT OF
09:33:07 IT, OUR COMMUNITIES THEN GET HEALTHIER.
09:33:09 WE GET MUCH HEALTHIER COMMUNITIES.
09:33:11 WE SEE THESE POCKETS.
09:33:12 THE POCKETS EXPAND.
09:33:13 WE START TO SEE THE GROWTH OF BUSINESSES AND HOUSING AND
09:33:17 OUR COMMUNITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
09:33:18 IF WE ARE GOOD AT OUR JOBS, WE WORK OURSELVES OUT OF
09:33:21 BUSINESS.
09:33:21 AND THAT'S BIGGEST POINT.
09:33:24 ONCE WE BRING OUR COMMUNITIES UP WE NO LONGER ARE NEEDED
09:33:27 AND WE END UP WITH THE KIND OF COMMUNITIES THAT WERE
09:33:29 ENVISIONED BY OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:33:32 OKAY.
09:33:32 DID YOU LIKE THE GRAPHIC?
09:33:36 ALL RIGHT.
09:33:36 SO WHAT DO OUR CITIZENS GAIN BY HAVING A CRA COVERING
09:33:41 WHERE THEY LIVE?
09:33:43 PUBLIC INPUT.
09:33:44 ALL ALONG FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BOTH BY THE CITY OF
09:33:47 TAMPA'S PROCESS AND BY THE STATE, THE PUBLIC INPUT IS
09:33:50 BUILT INTO A PROCESS.
09:33:52 ITS TRANSPARENT FOR OUR DOLLARS.
09:33:54 THE BUDGETS ARE OUT THERE.
09:33:56 THEY ARE ON THE WEBSITE.
09:33:57 THEY ARE FIRST RECOMMENDED BY THE CACs.
09:34:00 WE BRING THEM TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
09:34:02 THERE IS A BIG QUESTION, AND I THINK THAT SOMETIMES GETS
09:34:06 MISSED IS BEFORE THE CRAs EXISTED THERE WAS AN
09:34:09 IMBALANCE IN THE DEMAND OF SERVICES.
09:34:11 IF YOU HAVE HIGHER CRIME, IF YOU HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT
09:34:14 ISSUES, THERE IS A BIGGER DEMAND FOR CITY SERVICES TO
09:34:18 ADDRESS THESE COMMUNITIES.
09:34:21 A CRA COMES IN TO INVEST, BRING UP THESE ISSUES, HELP
09:34:25 REMEDIATE THESE ISSUES, AND THEREFORE CORRECT THAT
09:34:28 IMBALANCE AND DEMAND OF CITY SERVICES.
09:34:32 WE ALSO THEN HELP CREATE THAT SUSTAINABLE TAX BASE.
09:34:35 REGULARLY IT GETS COMMENTED THAT THE CRAs ARE A DRAIN
09:34:38 ON THE REGULAR CITY BUDGET AND GENERAL REVENUE.
09:34:42 BEFORE THE CRAs EXISTED, THE INVESTMENT IN OUR CRA
09:34:47 COMMUNITIES WAS MINIMAL, ALMOST NEGATIVE.
09:34:49 WE WERE SEEING BLIGHT FROM OUR CRA COMMUNITIES.
09:34:53 BY INVESTING IN OUR CRAs THROUGH THE CRA AND THE TIF
09:34:56 FUNDS, WE ARE THEREBY ABLE TO BRING THESE COMMUNITIES UP
09:35:00 TO WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE STANDARD ACROSS THE CITY.
09:35:04 SO WE ARE BRINGING THEM UP, NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THE REST
09:35:06 OF THE CITY.
09:35:07 I'M SORRY, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF MY OPINION THERE.
09:35:11 BUT THAT'S THE POINT BEHIND CRAs AND WHAT WE DO.
09:35:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD,
09:35:20 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:35:21 >>BILL CARLSON: IMAGINE IF WE SET UP A CRA IN HYDE PARK
09:35:27 AND THE MONEY COULD NOT BE USED IN THE REST OF THE CITY.
09:35:30 AND THEN THAT'S ONE THING.
09:35:33 BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT LET'S SAY, MAKE A SIMPLE
09:35:36 MODEL, LET'S SAY A CRA HAS $5 MILLION AND THEN THE FIVE
09:35:41 YEARS FROM NOW HAS $120 MILLION IN IT.
09:35:43 THE $5 MILLION IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR
09:35:46 BASIC SERVICES, HALF OF IT TO POLICE AND FIRE.
09:35:49 THE OTHER 5 MILLION IS KEPT IN THAT DISTRICT TO BE SPENT
09:35:53 HOW THE BOARD OR CAC RECOMMENDATIONS IT BE SPENT.
09:35:58 THAT MEANS THAT ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD NEARBY IS PAYING THE
09:36:01 FULL 10 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND.
09:36:03 THAT COMMUNITY IS ONLY PAYING 5 MILLION.
09:36:06 SO WHO IS MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE IN THE REST OF THE
09:36:09 SERVICES, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE
09:36:10 CITY?
09:36:13 DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT?
09:36:17 >>Michelle Van Loan: I WOULD JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT TAKE
09:36:18 ON IT.
09:36:19 UNTIL WE STARTED INVESTING IN OUR CRAs, THERE WASN'T
09:36:21 MUCH OF A TAX BASE TO SPREAD ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.
09:36:24 AND YOU STILL MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL TAX BASE THAT WAS
09:36:27 THERE WHEN THE CRAs WERE CREATED.
09:36:30 SO THE WHOLE POINT IS HOW DO YOU GET THAT TAX BASE TO
09:36:33 INCREASE?
09:36:34 AND WE DO IT THROUGH INVESTMENT BECAUSE THE CRAs WERE
09:36:38 ESTABLISHED BECAUSE IT WHATS NOT HAPPENING BY ITSELF
09:36:40 THROUGH THE PUBLIC SECTOR OR THE CITY INVESTMENT IN THESE
09:36:43 AREAS.
09:36:45 >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE LAW SAYS THE FLOOR AT WHATEVER IT
09:36:49 IS AT THE LOW RATE.
09:36:50 SO AT THE RATE WHERE THERE'S ALMOST NO TAXES GOING,
09:36:53 THAT'S WHERE THE FLOOR IS SET, AND THEN EVERYTHING ABOVE
09:36:55 THAT STAYS IN THAT DISTRICT.
09:36:56 THE OTHER THING GOING BACK TO YOUR MODEL ABOUT INVESTING
09:36:59 IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE TAXES GO UP, THE WAY CRAs ARE
09:37:04 SET UP IS THAT IT'S ABOUT INCREASING REAL ESTATE TAXES.
09:37:07 AND SO THE WAY YOU WILL INCREASE REAL ESTATE TAXES THAT
09:37:10 YOU INVEST IN THINGS THAT INCREASE REAL ESTATE VALUES, OR
09:37:14 YOU GET SOMEBODY TO BUILD IN THE AREA, AND BY BUILDING
09:37:17 SIDEWALKS AND SOME OF THE BASIC THINGS, YOU DON'T RAMP UP
09:37:20 THE BUILDING AS MUCH AS IF YOU INVEST IN REAL ESTATE
09:37:23 PROJECTS, WHICH PROVIDES A PERVERSE INCENTIVE FOR
09:37:26 COMMUNITIES TO INVEST IN REAL ESTATE PROJECTS TO MAKE
09:37:28 THAT GO UP AND THEN THE MONEY IS SPENT TO SUBSIDIZE REAL
09:37:32 ESTATE PROJECTS WHICH IS WHAT I OBJECT TO.
09:37:34 I DON'T OBJECT TO CRAs IN GENERAL IF THEY ARE USED THE
09:37:37 RIGHT WAY.
09:37:38 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT USING THEM TO PUSH
09:37:41 GENTRIFICATION OR SUBSIDIZE REAL ESTATE PROJECTS.
09:37:44 WE NEED TO BE USING THEM IN EVERY WAY WE CAN TO REDEVELOP
09:37:47 COMMUNITY.
09:37:47 AND THE THING ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES SUBSIDIZING IS NOT
09:37:52 A JUSTIFICATION FOR GETTING RID OF THEM.
09:37:53 BUT IT'S THAT I THINK WE HAVE A HIGHER THRESHOLD FOR HOW
09:37:56 WE SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY.
09:37:57 IF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, IF THE REST OF THE CITY IS
09:38:00 GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THE CRA AREA, AND IN SOME AREAS IT IS
09:38:03 JUSTIFIED, SOME AREAS I DON'T THINK IT IS.
09:38:05 SOME AREAS DON'T HAVE SLUM AND BLIGHT ANYMORE BUT THE
09:38:09 AREAS WITH SLUM AND BLIGHT THAT HAVE HOUSING ISSUES, WE
09:38:12 DO NEED TO SUBSIDIZE.
09:38:13 I THINK THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS FOR DOING THAT.
09:38:15 BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE REST OF THE CITY
09:38:17 SUBSIDIZE THAT AREA, THEN WE NEED TO SET A HIGHER
09:38:20 STANDARD AND BE VERY FOCUSED ON GETTING RESULTS, WHICH IS
09:38:23 WHY I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN WORK
09:38:27 SHOWN.
09:38:27 THANK YOU.
09:38:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:38:31 ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO ADD TO THAT?
09:38:33 I'LL SAVE MINE TO THE END.
09:38:35 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
09:38:35 I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIR.
09:38:36 AND I APPRECIATE MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN
09:38:40 COLLEAGUES REMARKS.
09:38:41 I LOOK AT CRAs A DIFFERENT WAY AND I AM KIND OF UNIQUE
09:38:43 IN THIS REGARD.
09:38:44 GUESS HOW MANY ARE IN MY DISTRICT.
09:38:48 ZERO.
09:38:48 BUT I STRONGLY SUPPORT CRAs. THEY ARE NOT PERFECT.
09:38:51 EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
09:38:52 BUT I THINK THAT WITH CRAs, THE IDEA WE GOT TO DO AS
09:38:58 WAS IT PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON WHO SAID -- THIS IS ABOUT A
09:39:01 DIFFERENT ISSUE -- MEND IT, NOT END IT. IN OTHER WORDS,
09:39:01 ARE THERE FIXES THAT NEED TO BE MADE?
09:39:05 YES, ABSOLUTELY.
09:39:06 WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE AREAS OF CRAs, LIKE
09:39:10 EAST TAMPA, AREAS LIKE YBOR CITY, ET CETERA, THESE ARE
09:39:13 AREAS THAT SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED WITH A DISPROPORTIONATE
09:39:18 RATE.
09:39:18 AND I HAVE NO PROBLEMS OF AREAS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THAT
09:39:21 CRA SUBSIDIZING THAT AREA THAT IS WITHIN THAT CRA BECAUSE
09:39:24 I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE WE ARE
09:39:27 DEALING WITH AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY
09:39:30 IGNORED, MALIGNED HISTORICALLY, AND I THINK THAT WE DO
09:39:33 HAVE A DUTY.
09:39:34 NOW, THE ISSUE THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL UNITE ON IS HOW DO
09:39:37 WE IMPROVE SERVICES WITHIN THOSE IGNORED AREAS SO THAT WE
09:39:42 CAN FULFILL WHAT THE MISSION OF CRAs REALLY SHOULD BE
09:39:45 IN THAT REGARD?
09:39:46 BUT CRAs AS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA, I'M A STRONG
09:39:51 SUPPORTER, AND AGAIN WITHIN MY DISTRICT, THERE ARE NO
09:39:53 CRAs, BUT IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE.
09:39:57 BUT I DO SUPPORT CRAs, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY
09:40:02 CERTAINLY TAKE AREAS THAT WERE VERY IGNORED AND LEAD TO
09:40:06 DEVELOPMENT.
09:40:07 AGAIN, I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS IF ONE AREA SUBSIDIZES
09:40:10 ANOTHER.
09:40:10 THAT'S ONE WAY YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
09:40:13 BUT I LOOK AT IT AS AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IGNORED ARE
09:40:15 GETTING ROBUST ATTENTION.
09:40:17 THAT'S KIND OF HOW I LOOK AT IT.
09:40:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:40:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN AGREE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS
09:40:24 COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS SAYING.
09:40:25 I A MORE STRATEGIC TYPE PLANNING EFFORT TODAY.
09:40:30 AND I SAT ON THE CAC BOARD, SO I HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A
09:40:35 LITTLE INSIGHT ON CRAs.
09:40:38 WHEN I LOOK AT OTHER CRAS AND HOW THEY EIGHT, AND I HAVE
09:40:45 CRAS, YOU BUT WHEN I LOOK AT HOW EVERYONE IS PLATING I
09:40:48 LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY ON PARTICULAR CAC BOARD.
09:40:56 WE HAD VERY STRONG LEADERS WHEN EAST TAMPA FIRST GOT THAT
09:40:59 CRA WAS TAKING OFF.
09:41:00 THREE YEARS, THEY HAVE OTHER AGENDAS TO MOVE ON, AND WE
09:41:04 TRY TO GET PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO GET ON THERE, AND
09:41:08 A LOT OF THEM AREN'T INTERESTED.
09:41:09 OTHERWISE, YOU GET ON THE BOARD.
09:41:11 THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT.
09:41:14 THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW A LOT ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,
09:41:17 INFRASTRUCTURE.
09:41:18 AND IT TENDS TO SLOW THE BOARD DOWN.
09:41:21 WE DON'T HAVE CONSISTENT QUORUMS TO THRIVE AND MOVE.
09:41:27 AND WHEN I GOT ON THE BOARD A LOT OF TIMES THERE WERE NO
09:41:30 QUORUMS, YOU SIT THERE AND TRY TO GET IDEAS BUT YOU CAN'T
09:41:32 MOVE THINGS FORWARD TO GIVE TO THE CRA BOARD BECAUSE YOU
09:41:35 CAN'T HAVE A VOTE.
09:41:36 AND THEN I JUST THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT 14 PEOPLE, WE
09:41:42 HAVE GOT STRONG, I THINK, CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
09:41:46 GOING TO BE COMMITTED TO THE CAUSE.
09:41:50 I WANT TO HELP, OR PUSH TO GET ON THE BOARD, BUT YET THEY
09:41:54 DON'T SHOW UP, AND WE ARE NOT STIRRED ON SAYING YOU
09:41:59 MISSED 2001 MEETINGS, WE HAVE TO REMOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU
09:42:01 ARE NOT BEING CONSISTENT TO WHAT YOUR COMMITMENT WAS.
09:42:04 AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH EAST TAMPA, THAT WE
09:42:06 HAVE TO HAVE COMMITTED PEOPLE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE
09:42:09 PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT SHOWING UP, TO SHOW OUT, IN THE CRA
09:42:13 BOARD, OR THAT MANAGER HAS TO SHOW UP SO WE CAN REMOVE
09:42:19 PEOPLE SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THE JOB IS GETTING DONE.
09:42:21 AND THAT'S WHAT I FIND WITH EAST TAMPA.
09:42:23 I THINK YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE STAFF OVER THERE.
09:42:26 I THINK YOU NEED MORE TRAINING, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
09:42:28 COMING ONTO THE BOARD, TO KNOW WHAT THEIR JOB IS TO HELP
09:42:31 FOSTER THE DEVELOPMENT OF EAST TAMPA.
09:42:33 WHEN I LOOK AT YBOR, YBOR HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW
09:42:37 ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
09:42:38 THEY KNOW ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
09:42:41 AND WE NEED CRITERIA FOR FUTURE EMPLOYEES TO SAY WE NEED
09:42:45 A PERSON WHO KNOWS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHO KNOWS
09:42:48 ABOUT REAL ESTATE, WHO KNOWS THIS AND THAT.
09:42:50 WHEN I LOOK AT CHANNELSIDE, CHANNELSIDE HAS FOLKS ON THAT
09:42:53 BOARD WHO KNOWS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.
09:42:55 WE HAVE DEVELOPER ON THAT BOARD.
09:42:57 I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THE BOARD TO MAKE IT MOVE AND
09:43:00 MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN EVALUATION OF THESE CRAs, EACH AND
09:43:03 EVERY CRA AND THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN THE
09:43:08 RIGHT DIRECTION AND STAFF IS MAKING SURE TO ADDRESS OTHER
09:43:10 BOARD.
09:43:12 SO THAT'S MY TAKE ON CRAs.
09:43:14 THEY ARE NEEDED BUT I THINK THERE HAS TO BE MORE TRAINING
09:43:17 AND EDUCATION, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE CRAs THAT ARE
09:43:20 NOT THRIVING TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
09:43:23 STANDARD ARE.
09:43:24 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:43:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:43:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALL SORT OF MAKING
09:43:32 OUR OPENING STATEMENTS.
09:43:39 BILL, I THINK YOU HAVE MADE THOSE POINTS BEFORE AND I
09:43:42 THINK THEY ARE GOOD POINTS.
09:43:43 I THINK THAT OVER THE YEARS, DIFFERENT MAYORS AND
09:43:48 COUNCILS, BUT I'LL SAY MAYORS BECAUSE THE MAYORS
09:43:52 CONTROLLED THE CRAs IN THE PAST.
09:43:54 THAT'S CHANGING.
09:43:59 USE THE CRAs FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
09:44:02 AND I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS THE DOWNTOWN CRA.
09:44:06 BASICALLY, THEY BUILT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
09:44:10 THAT'S THE HISTORY I UNDERSTAND.
09:44:15 AND I HAVE SAID THIS IN THE PAST, AND I'LL PROBABLY KEEP
09:44:19 SAYING IT AGAIN.
09:44:19 I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK WEEK LOOK AT ALL THE CRAS
09:44:26 AS ONE.
09:44:27 EACH ONE OF THEM ARE SO UNIQUE.
09:44:29 AND I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE EXTREMELY VALID RELATED TO
09:44:32 CERTAIN CRAs.
09:44:34 AND I WON'T GO INTO EACH ONE NECESSARILY.
09:44:39 I GUESS I WILL, THE DOWNTOWN AND THE CHANNELSIDE.
09:44:41 THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
09:44:42 CRAs.
09:44:43 BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET OUT INTO EAST TAMPA AND WEST
09:44:46 TAMPA, I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT MISSION GOING
09:44:51 ON, AND A WHOLE DIFFERENT PURPOSE.
09:44:54 AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL TO NOT DO
09:44:59 THAT BROAD BRUSH.
09:45:03 AND KIND OF THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER.
09:45:09 THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO STRESS WAS, AND I THINK CHIEF
09:45:12 BENNETT HAS ALLUDED TO THIS IN THE PAST, IS THE STRATEGIC
09:45:15 ACTION PLANS.
09:45:16 I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM IN A LONG TIME.
09:45:19 I'M JUST NOW KIND OF ACQUAINTING MYSELF WITH THE VARIOUS
09:45:22 PLANS.
09:45:23 SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY, MICHELLE, PRETTY OLD, AND WE ARE
09:45:27 IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THEM.
09:45:29 FRANKLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD GATHER
09:45:33 ALL OF THEM UP, AT LEAST DIGITALLY AND GET THEM TO US SO
09:45:38 IN OUR LEISURE TIME WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM WITHOUT HAVING
09:45:42 TO FIND THEM SEPARATELY.
09:45:45 AND REALLY DIG INTO THOSE STRATEGIC PLANS, BECAUSE AS MS.
09:45:50 ZELMAN INDICATED, THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL LITTLE BIBLES
09:45:57 THAT WE NEED TO GO, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO USE THAT WE
09:46:02 NEED TO GO BY.
09:46:03 THESE WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS.
09:46:05 THAT'S WHAT THE GRAND JURY REPORT CONFIRMED.
09:46:07 SO IF THOSE STRATEGIC PLANS NEED UPDATING, LET'S UPDATE
09:46:13 THEM.
09:46:13 IF THEY NEED MODIFYING, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO
09:46:17 MODIFY THEM ABOUT ANYTIME, I ASSUME, THEN LET'S MODIFY
09:46:22 THEM.
09:46:22 BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE ARE ON TRACK WITH THOSE PLANS,
09:46:24 TOO.
09:46:24 BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VERY ATTEMPTING -- TEMPTING PLACE
09:46:30 FOR US TO STUB OUR TOES AND THEN CATCH MORE GRIEF FROM
09:46:36 OUR LEGISLATURE, AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
09:46:39 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:46:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR THE END.
09:46:43 MS. VAN LOAN, PLEASE.
09:46:47 >>Michelle Van Loan: THIS CAME UP AND THIS IS PART OF WHY
09:46:48 WE ARE HERE AS STAFF PARTICIPATING IN THIS WORKSHOP, IS
09:46:53 THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TERMS WE REALLY NEED TO
09:46:56 UNDERSTAND.
09:46:56 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, CRP AND STRATEGIC ACTION
09:47:00 PLAN.
09:47:00 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WHAT IS REQUIRED BY STATE
09:47:04 STATUTE.
09:47:04 THAT IS WHAT SETS YOUR GOALS FOR YOUR INDIVIDUAL CRAs.
09:47:09 THAT IS WHAT WAS ADOPTED BY BOTH THE CITY COUNCIL, YOUR
09:47:12 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, AND THE COUNTY, AND THEN
09:47:15 SENT TO THE STATE.
09:47:16 YOUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS ARE JUST THAT.
09:47:19 THEY ARE THE ACTION PLAN FOR HOW YOU IMPLEMENT.
09:47:22 THEY SET YOUR PRIORITIES FOR IMPLEMENTING YOUR COMMUNITY
09:47:25 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:47:26 SO IT IS OUR CRPs THAT ARE THAT BASE DOCUMENT, AND
09:47:31 WE'LL TALK ABOUT THEM IN DETAILS SO YOU HAVE THAT
09:47:33 EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, AND I CAN SEND YOU AS MANY COPIES OF
09:47:36 WHATEVER YOU WANT THAT YOU WANT TO SPEND YOUR NIGHTS
09:47:38 TRYING TO FALL ASLEEP TO.
09:47:40 SO IF WE GET BACK TO THE POWER POINT REAL QUICK, AND WE
09:47:46 DO MENTION SIDEWALKS.
09:47:48 WHY ARE SIDEWALKS IMPORTANT IN A CRA?
09:47:52 ON NORTH 22ND STREET JUST BEFORE YOU GO ET TO MLK ON THE
09:47:55 EAST SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THE CEMETERY IS, THAT'S
09:47:57 WHERE THE BUS STOP WAS AND YOU WOULD SEE MOTHERS PUSHING
09:48:01 BABIES ON STROLLERS ON A DIRT INCLINE BECAUSE THERE WERE
09:48:04 NO SIDEWALKS FOR THAT AREA.
09:48:05 SO WHEN YOU DO INCLUDE SIDEWALKS OR UPGRADE YOUR STREETS
09:48:09 OR CREATE THOSE BIKE LANES FOR HEAVILY PEDESTRIAN AND
09:48:13 BICYCLE-BASED COMMUNITY, AS YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR
09:48:16 WORKSHOP LAST WEEK, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF SERVICES ARE
09:48:19 VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE TO THOSE
09:48:21 RESIDENTS TO WHO WANTS TO LIVE THERE, AND WHO GETS TO
09:48:24 LIVE THERE SAFELY, AND WITH A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.
09:48:28 SO THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS IN THE BOTTOM LINE, THEY GET
09:48:32 OUT OF THE INVESTMENTS IN THE CRA.
09:48:34 FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR THEY GET CONSISTENCY AND THE
09:48:38 PRIVATE SECTOR DOES NOT LIKE TO INVEST WHERE THEY FEEL
09:48:41 LIKE AN AREA IS VOLATILE, UNPREDICTABLE, UNSTABLE.
09:48:44 SO BY GOVERNMENTAL SAYING WE ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN OUR
09:48:46 AREA, WE SEND SIGNALS AND WE SET THE STAGE FOR PRIVATE
09:48:49 DEVELOPMENT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE TO COME IN AND INVEST IN
09:48:52 OUR AREA.
09:48:55 SO THIS IS A BASIC DIAGRAM OF HOW WE ESTABLISH CRAs.
09:49:01 AGAIN AS BEING INCLUDED SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT
09:49:05 ORDER IS AND WHAT THE CONTROLLING DOCUMENTS ARE.
09:49:08 AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE IDENTIFIED GEOGRAPHIC AREA THROUGH A
09:49:13 LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITY,
09:49:16 THOSE BLIGHT CONDITIONS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED BY 163, AND
09:49:19 WE ADOPT A CRA COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:49:22 THAT PLAN WAS DEVELOPED WITH YOUR COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY
09:49:26 WHAT THE ISSUES, WEAKNESSES IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT
09:49:29 VISION THEY HAD.
09:49:30 WHAT DID THEY WANT FOR THEMSELVES?
09:49:32 YOU THEN HAVE YOUR CRA AGENCY.
09:49:35 YOU ESTABLISHED YOUR TIF.
09:49:37 AND BEHIND THE TELEPROMPTER IS THEN YOUR RESPONSIBILITY
09:49:40 WITH THE TIF IS TO IMPLEMENT YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
09:49:43 PLAN.
09:49:45 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, OUR MODEL IS THAT EVERYTHING CAME
09:49:49 FROM THE COMMUNITY TO ESTABLISH THE CRAs, AND BY POLICY
09:49:53 THE CRA BOARD ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEES
09:49:57 TO ACT AS THAT FORMAL PROCESS WHEREBY YOU GET INPUT FROM
09:50:01 THE COMMUNITY.
09:50:02 UP TO THE CRA AGENCY.
09:50:05 THE ROLE OF THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEES, THE MAIN
09:50:09 POINTS ARE THAT THEY REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITY INTERESTS,
09:50:14 THEY PARTICIPATE IN ANNUAL TIF RECOMMENDATION PROCESS,
09:50:17 AND THEY RECOMMEND THE PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES THAT HELP
09:50:20 IMPLEMENT THEIR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
09:50:23 THE MAIN ROLE OF CITY COUNCIL WAS IN ESTABLISHING AND
09:50:26 ADOPTING ALL THE ORDINANCES THAT CREATED YOUR CRA AREAS.
09:50:29 THE ROLE OF THE CRA BOARD, YOU ARE TO CARRY OUT AND
09:50:33 IMPLEMENT YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
09:50:36 AGAIN THIS COMES RIGHT FROM 163.
09:50:38 YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET THAT GETS ADOPTED EVERY YEAR AFTER
09:50:41 INPUT FROM YOUR CACs, AND THEN IDENTIFYING THE
09:50:45 PROGRAMMING AND PRIORITIES.
09:50:47 AND THEN IT GOES INTO THE MORE DETAILS OF HOW THAT
09:50:49 HAPPENS.
09:50:52 AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, I USE THE WORD PLAYBOOK.
09:50:56 YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:50:57 THAT IS YOUR PLAYBOOK.
09:50:59 IT IS WHAT ESTABLISHES WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO OUT
09:51:01 THERE ON THE FIELD.
09:51:03 WHAT PLACE SHOULD YOU BE RUNNING, UNDER WHAT
09:51:06 CIRCUMSTANCES?
09:51:06 THEY ARE MEANT TO BE FLEXIBLE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ALWAYS
09:51:08 ANTICIPATE MARKET CONDITIONS LIKE WE HAVE EXPERIENCED
09:51:12 AGAIN WITH THE RECESSION.
09:51:13 AND ALSO AS YOU GROW, THERE ARE GOING TO BE OUTSIDE
09:51:18 FORCES THAT INTERACT WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT ARE
09:51:21 GOING TO REFLECT ON YOUR COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY MEANT
09:51:24 OVER THE YEARS.
09:51:25 IT IS MEANT TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE.
09:51:26 THE BIGGEST THING THAT ANDREA MENTIONED THAT WE CAN'T
09:51:30 STRESS ENOUGH NOT IN THESE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS
09:51:33 FOR THE SPECIFIC CRA, THEY CAN'T BE DONE.
09:51:35 AND IF YOU WANT IT TO BE DONE, THEN AREAS OF PROCESS FOR
09:51:38 UPDATING AND AMENDING YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:51:43 TO EMPHASIZE WHAT I JUST SAID, THIS LEGISLATURE THINKS
09:51:47 THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GO BACK TO YOUR
09:51:49 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:51:51 HOUSE BILL 9 ADDED TWO PROVISIONS THAT ANDREA POINTED OUT
09:51:56 IN REPORTING IN THE HANDOUT, ONE IS THAT OUR ANNUAL
09:51:59 ACTIVITY REPORTS, THOSE GLOSSY ONES THAT WE HAND OUT
09:52:02 EVERY YEAR, WE NOW HAVE TO ADD A SECTION THAT SUMMARIZES
09:52:05 HOW HAVE WE TO DATE ACHIEVED THE GOALS OF OUR COMMUNITY
09:52:08 REDEVELOPMENT PLANS?
09:52:10 AND SECONDLY, WHEN WE TURN IN OUR DRAFT BUDGETS TO YOU IN
09:52:14 THE SUMMER OF 2020, EVERY LINE ITEM IS GOING TO NOW HAVE
09:52:17 TO GO BACK AND REFERENCE THE PAGE NUMBER FROM OUR
09:52:20 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:52:22 SO WE CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, NOTE FROM US BUT THE STATE
09:52:26 LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO MAKE YOU STAY WITHIN AND REALLY
09:52:29 EMPHASIZE YOU NEED TO STAY WITHIN YOUR LANE ON THE
09:52:32 PLAYBOOK AS YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:52:36 AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ANDREA.
09:52:39 I DIDN'T DO TOO BAD, DID I?
09:52:41 DID I TALK TOO FAST?
09:52:44 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AGAIN, I'LL JUST -- I'M SORRY.
09:52:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST VERY QUICKLY.
09:52:51 JUST WHILE WE HIT SOMETHING.
09:52:52 OTHERWISE I'LL FORGET IT.
09:52:55 NEXT SUMMER, OR WHENEVER WE REALLY GET TO THIS COMPLIANCE
09:52:59 PERIOD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, THAT WE GO
09:53:05 OVER ABOVE AND PUT TOGETHER A REALLY BIG PACKET OF HOW
09:53:09 COMPLIANT WE ARE, HOW COMPLIANT WE HAVE BEEN, AND HOW
09:53:12 COMPLIANT WE ARE, AND SEND IT TO THAT COMMITTEE, AND TO
09:53:15 THAT COMMITTEE CHAIR, WHOEVER THAT IS IN TALLAHASSEE, AND
09:53:21 THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN SEE AN AGENCY THAT IS TRULY ON
09:53:27 BOARD.
09:53:28 AND IN MANY CASES IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN ON BOARD,
09:53:32 BUT, YOU KNOW, HAD YOU GET MY POINT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
09:53:36 THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING TANGIBLE IN THEIR HANDS
09:53:39 TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WORKING, IT'S WORKING THE
09:53:42 WAY WE THINK IT SHOULD, AND HERE THE CITY OFFING THE IS
09:53:46 DOING IT RIGHT.
09:53:47 JUST A THOUGHT.
09:53:51 >>Michelle Van Loan: AND WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU, WE DID
09:53:52 DURING THE SESSION FOR THE LEGISLATURE WHEN THEY WERE
09:53:54 LOOKING AT GETTING RID OF A LOT, AND MAKING IT JUST
09:53:58 FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY POLICING, AND CLEARING OF LAND, AND
09:54:02 AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE DID PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE
09:54:06 TIF HAD ACCOMPLISHED IN EAST TAMPA AND I AM HAPPY TO
09:54:10 SHARE THAT ALSO, THAT WE SENT OUT TO OUR DELEGATES.
09:54:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. ZELMAN.
09:54:17 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WILL BE QUICK.
09:54:18 YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE THAT SAYS TRUST FUND
09:54:21 EXPENDITURES, WHAT WE HAVE DONE THERE IS TAKEN RIGHT OUT
09:54:25 OF THE STATUTE.
09:54:26 THE STATUTE HAS A VERY SPECIFIC LIST OF WHAT YOU CAN
09:54:29 SPEND TIF FUNDS ON.
09:54:32 IN 2019, IT USED TO SAY INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, AND
09:54:37 IN 2019 THEY TOOK THOSE WORDS OUT.
09:54:40 SO THE LEGISLATURE MADE IT VERY CLEAR, IF IT'S NOT ON
09:54:43 THIS LIST, YOU CAN'T SPEND TIF FUNDS ON IT.
09:54:47 THE LAST ITEM ON THE LIST DIRECTS YOU TO ANOTHER
09:54:49 STATUTORY SECTION 163.370 WHERE AGAIN WE HAVE INCLUDED
09:54:55 THE LIST RIGHT OUT OF THE STATUTE.
09:54:58 MICHELLE SUMMARIZED THESE FOR YOU.
09:55:00 THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT UNDER THE STATUTE, YOU
09:55:03 ARE AUTHORIZED TO SPEND TIF FUNDS ON.
09:55:06 FOR THE SECOND TIME I AM NOT GOING TO READ EACH ONE BUT
09:55:08 YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE LARGELY BRICK AND MORTAR TYPE
09:55:13 PROJECTS.
09:55:14 THEY ARE LARGELY THINGS OR THEY ARE WHOLLY THINGS AGAIN
09:55:17 DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE SLUM, BLIGHT AND PROMOTE AFFORDABLE
09:55:21 HOUSING.
09:55:25 THE PAGE ENTITLED THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS MAY NOT BE PAID
09:55:28 FOR BY TIF, YOU CAN SEE THAT LIST.
09:55:30 ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN THE PLAN, I KNOW WE KEEP SAYING IT
09:55:36 BUT WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP SAYING THAT.
09:55:38 YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE -- THE NEXT BULLET POINTS ARE
09:55:41 BASICALLY TIFS OR CRAs AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE USING TIF
09:55:46 FUNDS TO PAY FOR THINGS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD
09:55:50 OTHERWISE PAY FOR.
09:55:52 FOR INSTANCE, THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE CITY CIP
09:55:55 DON'T USE TIF DOLLARS FOR.
09:55:57 YOU DON'T USE TIF FUNDS FOR POLICE OR FIRE WITH THE
09:56:01 EXCEPTION OF COMMUNITY POLICING PROJECTS WHICH ARE
09:56:05 SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZED BY THE STATUTE.
09:56:08 AGAIN, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USING TIF FUNDS FOR
09:56:10 GENERAL OPERATING EXPENSES THAT ARE UNRELATED TO PLANNING
09:56:15 AND CARRYING OUT YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
09:56:17 SO AS THE NEXT SLIDE SAYS, THE BOTTOM LINE, WHAT'S NOT
09:56:21 ALLOWED BY THE STATUTE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN YOUR
09:56:25 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND NOT WITHIN THE CRA
09:56:29 DISTRICT BOUNDARY, AND OF COURSE NOT AUTHORIZED BY
09:56:33 STATUTE, BUT THE POINT BEING EVEN IF THE STATUTE
09:56:37 AUTHORIZES THAT IT'S GOT TO BE IN YOUR PLAN BEFORE YOU
09:56:40 CAN SPEND TIF FUNDS ON IT, AND IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING,
09:56:44 YOU CAN'T SPEND TIF FUNDS ON PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE
09:56:47 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY.
09:56:50 SO THE TOP THINGS TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU CAN USE TIF MONEY
09:56:55 ON SOMETHING IN THE PLAN, SOMETHING IN THE PLAN MUST BE
09:56:59 WITHIN THE DISTRICT, IT CAN'T BE WITHIN THE CITY OR
09:57:02 COUNTY CIP BUDGET, IT CAN'T BE SOMETHING THE CITY THAT
09:57:08 WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ANYWAY, IT CAN'T BE SOMETHING THAT
09:57:11 CONSTITUTES A GIVEAWAY, IT CAN BE SPENT ON -- I'M SORRY,
09:57:16 THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SPEND MONEY ON.
09:57:18 ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A GIVEAWAY AND ANYTHING
09:57:21 TANGIBLE THAT IMPROVES THE LOOK OF THE DISTRICT IN ORDER
09:57:23 TO ELIMINATE AGAIN SLUM, BLIGHT, AND PROMOTE AFFORDABLE
09:57:27 HOUSING.
09:57:28 AND I ALREADY JUMPED AHEAD AND GAVE YOU THE LESSONS
09:57:31 LEARNED FROM THE REPORT.
09:57:33 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THAT AGAIN.
09:57:35 THANK YOU.
09:57:39 >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST, MRS. VAN LOAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:57:42 TIME, ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT
09:57:45 CRAs, I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
09:57:47 SHE WAS WORKING YESTERDAY.
09:57:48 I EMAILED AND SHE RESPONDED TO ME RIGHT AWAY AND SHE ALSO
09:57:52 MEANT WITH ME LAST WEEK TO GIVE ME A LOT OF INFORMATION.
09:57:55 SHE KNOWS A LOT OF HISTORY OF CRAS, AND THANK YOU FOR
09:57:58 KEEPING IT SHORT.
09:58:00 MS. ZELMAN, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE ABOUT WHAT WE
09:58:03 CAN DO, PLEASE?
09:58:07 IT'S CONFUSING GOING BETWEEN THE STATUTE AND LISTS LIKE
09:58:11 THIS.
09:58:13 WE TALKED ABOUT -- SHE TALKED ABOUT BIKE LANES AND
09:58:16 SIDEWALKS.
09:58:17 WHERE IS THAT ON THIS LIST?
09:58:23 BACK TO THE TIF LIST?
09:58:28 I THINK SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES ARE GOOD INVESTMENTS FOR
09:58:32 CRAs BUT WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT?
09:58:35 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] IT'S A CATCH-ALL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
09:58:43 LIST, THAT ARE NECESSARY TO EXERCISE THE POWERS GRANTED
09:58:48 UNDER 163.370.
09:58:50 THEN YOU GO TO 163.370 (2-C) AND THEY TALK ABOUT THINGS
09:58:59 LIKE STREETS, PLAYGROUND, PARK AREAS.
09:59:08 >>BILL CARLSON: THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO KNOCK US
09:59:09 ON MORE.
09:59:10 BUT THE OTHER THING IS, YOU SAID -- SO I SEE ALSO IN 163,
09:59:17 ANYWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS
09:59:20 PARKING FACILITIES.
09:59:21 DO THAT ON YOUR LIST?
09:59:23 I DON'T SEE IT.
09:59:24 PARKING FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED OR NOT?
09:59:27 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES, I BELIEVE THEY ARE -- 370 (2-C)
09:59:36 WHICH IS --
09:59:40 >>BILL CARLSON: AND ALLEVIATING TRAFFIC PROBLEMS.
09:59:42 WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED TO SPEND MONEY ON IN TRAFFIC?
09:59:49 >>Michelle Van Loan: THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS REGARDING
09:59:51 TRAFFIC.
09:59:51 IT'S SORT OF A CATCH-ALL.
09:59:54 WE HAVE DONE TRAFFIC CALMING WHERE IT IS IN FRONT OF
09:59:56 SCHOOLS OR COMMUNITY CENTERS OR RESIDENTIAL
09:59:58 NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:59:58 TRAFFIC HAS ALSO CAPACITY.
10:00:01 TRAFFIC IS SOMETIMES SAFETY WHERE WE PUT IN NEW TRAFFIC
10:00:06 SIGNALS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE IT IS A HIGH PRONE
10:00:10 ACCIDENT AREA.
10:00:10 SO TRAFFIC CAN BE ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS, AND
10:00:15 TRAFFIC CAN ALSO BE AFFECTED BY THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:00:17 AGAIN, DO YOU CHANGE A ROUNDABOUT WHERE YOU HAVE OFFSET
10:00:21 STREETS?
10:00:21 SO TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE CAN GO HAND IN HAND.
10:00:26 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST CLARIFYING QUESTION.
10:00:28 THE STATUTE ALSO TALKS ABOUT DISEASE AND HEALTH.
10:00:31 WHAT IS THE IMPLICATION THERE, THAT CHANGING THE PHYSICAL
10:00:36 STRUCTURE WILL ALLEVIATE THAT, OR ARE THERE OTHER
10:00:38 SERVICES THAT -- IN ST. PETE I'M TOLD THAT THEY SOMEHOW
10:00:42 FOUND A WAY TO OFFER CERTAIN SOCIAL SERVICES THROUGH THE
10:00:45 CRAs.
10:00:45 I DON'T HAVE A LEGAL OPINION FROM THEM, BUT --
10:00:49 >>Michelle Van Loan: A COUPLE OF THINGS.
10:00:51 IN EAST TAMPA, BEFORE THE CRA WAS ESTABLISHED, IN
10:00:54 ESTABLISHING THE CRA, WE HAD 29 ILLEGAL DUMP SITES THAT
10:00:58 WERE PRIMARY FOCUS AND ALL OF THEM WERE LISTED AS PART OF
10:01:03 OUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IN THE APPENDIX.
10:01:05 WHEN YOU HAVE DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE
10:01:08 DUMP SITES, YOU GET VERMIN AND YOU GET BUGS AND YOU GET
10:01:12 OVERGROWTH, AND THAT HAS AN EFFECT, NOT JUST ON THE
10:01:16 AESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITY BUT WHAT IT ATTRACTS AND THEN
10:01:18 HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR NEIGHBORS.
10:01:23 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M SORRY, DOES THE STATUTE THAT YOU JUST
10:01:25 RELATED, RELATE TO PHYSICAL STRUCTURES, OR ARE WE ALLOWED
10:01:29 TO PROVIDE SOCIAL SERVICES FOR HEALTH AND DISEASE
10:01:31 PREVENTION ALSO?
10:01:34 IT SEEMS TO BE VAGUE.
10:01:36 >>Michelle Van Loan: IT'S VERY VAGUE.
10:01:37 AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE IT HAS TO GO BACK TO YOUR
10:01:40 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
10:01:41 MOST OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS DID NOT HAVE A HEAVY
10:01:45 EMPHASIS ON SOCIAL SERVICES.
10:01:48 AT THE TIME THE ROLE OF THE COUNTY WAS TO PROVIDE MOSTLY
10:01:53 SOCIAL SERVICE WHEREAS THE CITY HAD A DIFFERENT ROLE IN
10:01:56 THAT.
10:01:57 SO IT IS THE COUNTY THAT HANDLED THE LEE DAVIS CENTER AND
10:01:59 SOME OF THE HEALTH CENTERS AND THOSE SOCIAL SERVICES
10:02:02 INCLUDING THE INITIATIVES WITH THE HOMELESS AND SO FORTH.
10:02:06 >>BILL CARLSON: AN EXAMPLE OF GETTING RID OF THE RATS IN
10:02:09 FAIROAKS COMMUNITY CENTER ARE WE ALLOW TO USE CRA MONEY
10:02:12 ON THAT OR DOES THAT HAVE TO BE IN THE CRP?
10:02:16 >>Michelle Van Loan: I WOULD DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY, BUT I
10:02:18 WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A MAINTENANCE AND GENERAL
10:02:21 MAINTENANCE OF CITY FACILITIES, WHICH IS A VERY TOUCHY
10:02:25 AND USUALLY 99.9% OF NO-NO WITH CRA DOLLARS.
10:02:32 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND TO FOLLOW UP ON 163.370 (2-C),
10:02:39 ACTUALLY ALL OF 370 LISTS THE POWERS OF THE CRA.
10:02:43 THE SLIDE THAT LISTS THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SPEND MONEY
10:02:48 ON SUMMARIZED WHAT'S IN THE STATUTE.
10:02:52 THE STATUTE GOES INTO A LOT MORE DETAIL BUT MICHELLE
10:02:55 DIDN'T WANT TO PLUG UP THE POWER POINT WITH CUT AND PASTE
10:03:01 OF THE STATUTE.
10:03:02 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 163.370 (2-C) 3, THAT'S WHERE IT
10:03:11 REFERENCES FOR EXAMPLE PARKING GARAGES THAT YOU ASKED
10:03:13 ABOUT.
10:03:14 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, WE CAN
10:03:16 TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT WAY THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IN
10:03:19 A PLANNING EXERCISE IS TO TAKE THE BUCKETS OF THINGS THAT
10:03:21 THE CRA CAN SPEND MONEY ON AND MAYBE GET US TO HELP
10:03:25 PRIORITIZE THOSE THINGS, LIKE I WOULD PUT AFFORDABLE
10:03:29 HOUSING AS NUMBER ONE, AND THAT CONTAINED OF FLIPS IT
10:03:33 FROM WHAT'S BEING DONE NOW.
10:03:34 BUT IF WE COULD SOMEHOW -- I THINK THAT'S PART OF YOUR
10:03:39 PRIORITIES CONVERSATION, BUT IF WE COULD AT LEAST GET
10:03:41 PRIORITIZATION OF THOSE BUCKETS AS A START.
10:03:47 >>Michelle Van Loan: AND WE CERTAINLY WILL.
10:03:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU MAY CONTINUE.
10:03:52 >>Michelle Van Loan: AND IN YOUR DISCUSSION POINT, VERY
10:03:54 SOON.
10:03:58 SO THAT AS NOW IS YOUR MAP OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:04:01 THIS IS WHERE OUR CRAs SIT IN RELATION TO THE SIZE AND
10:04:06 LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:04:11 AND THERE ARE ALL YOUR CRAs.
10:04:15 WE NEEDED TO BREAK IT UP AND I NEEDED A GRAPHIC.
10:04:18 SO HERE I JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT.
10:04:20 AGAIN THIS IS FOR YOUR REFERENCE SO THAT YOU HAVE THESE.
10:04:22 THIS IS OUR CURRENT EXPIRATION DATE.
10:04:24 YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST THREE, FOUR, THE FIRST FOUR DID GET
10:04:28 UPDATED BACK IN 2015 SO THEY WERE EXTENDED TO 2043 AS
10:04:33 PART OF OUR NEGOTIATION WAS THE COUNTY WHEN WE ALSO ADDED
10:04:36 WEST TAMPA.
10:04:37 YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL ONES.
10:04:38 WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH IN 2004 THAT WERE ESTABLISHED AND
10:04:41 THEY WILL EXPIRE IN 2034.
10:04:43 CENTRAL PARK WAS CREATED A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER AND
10:04:47 PRIOR TO AND TAMPA WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2015 AND WILL
10:04:52 EXPIRE IN 2043.
10:04:57 CRA REVENUE AT THE TOP, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE TOPICS.
10:05:01 I JUST COMBINED THEM.
10:05:03 THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL BE PAYING INTO THE TIF 25 MILLION.
10:05:06 THE COUNTY AND THE PORT WILL BE PUTTING IN APPROXIMATELY
10:05:09 8.3 MILLION.
10:05:10 SO FOR EVERY DOLLAR INVESTED BY THE CRAs, 25% OF THAT
10:05:15 IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY AND PORT.
10:05:17 NOW THAT'S ACROSS THE ENTIRE CRAS.
10:05:22 FOUR INDIVIDUALS CRAs NOT COUNTING DOWNTOWN AND
10:05:24 CHANNELSIDE, OR IS IT DOWNTOWN?
10:05:26 JUST DOWNTOWN.
10:05:26 THE COUNTY, WHEN WE RENEGOTIATED IN 2015, THE COUNTY IS
10:05:31 NO LONGER CONTRIBUTING TO THE DOWNTOWN CRA, WHICH ON
10:05:34 AVERAGE SKEWS THE CONTRIBUTION THAT THEY ARE MAKING.
10:05:39 SO IT WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER IF WE LOOKED AT ALL CRAs
10:05:42 WITHOUT INCLUDING DOWNTOWN.
10:05:46 IN ITS PLACE OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE CRA, THE COUNTY IS
10:05:49 CONTRIBUTING TO IMPROVEMENTS AT OUR CONVENTION CENTER AND
10:05:52 IN DOWNTOWN.
10:05:53 SO THEY ARE DOING DIRECT PAYMENT INSTEAD OF THROUGH THE
10:05:56 CRA TIF.
10:05:58 BUT THIS IS WHAT YOUR NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.
10:06:00 THE CHART ON THE BOTTOM, WE HEAR A LOT OF COMPARISONS OF
10:06:04 EAST TAMPA AND CHANNEL DISTRICT.
10:06:06 I WANTED YOU TO HAVE THIS.
10:06:07 IF YOU LOOKED AT THE HISTORY OF OUR CRAs, I KNOW WE
10:06:11 WENT BACK TO 2006.
10:06:12 SOME OF THEM OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN GOING BACK SINCE 834 BUT
10:06:15 THIS IS WHEN WE HAD ALMOST ALL OF THEM WAS IN 2006.
10:06:18 IF YOU LOOKED AT REVENUE DIVIDED BY THE SIZE, HOW MANY
10:06:21 ACRES ARE IN EACH CRA, YOU CAN SEE THAT EAST TAMPA IS
10:06:25 AVERAGING ABOUT $501 PER ACRE INVESTMENT COMPARED TO THE
10:06:32 OTHERS AND WE ARE ONLY ABOVE CENTRAL PARK BY ABOUT $150
10:06:39 PER ACRE.
10:06:39 IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT YBOR AND THEY ARE ABLE TO INVEST
10:06:46 4,500 PER ACRE THEY CAN ADD A GREATER IMPACT WHEN YOU ARE
10:06:52 LOOKING AT 4,000 ACRES OF EAST TAMPA. THIS IS SOMETHING
10:06:55 TO KEEP IN MIND.
10:06:55 WE HAVE A LOT BIGGER AREA IN EAST TAMPA.
10:06:58 EAST TAMPA IS THE SECOND LARGEST CRA AFTER EAST TAMPA IS
10:07:02 DREW PARK, AND DREW PARK IS ABOUT 20% THE SIZE OF EAST
10:07:05 TAMPA.
10:07:06 SO JUST TRYING TO HELP PUT THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE A
10:07:09 LITTLE BIT.
10:07:09 YOU HAVE BEEN GOT THAT INFORMATION.
10:07:12 FOR YOUR CRP GOALS OVERVIEW AT THE TOP FOR JUST A COUPLE
10:07:16 MORE MINUTES, AND THEN IT WILL BE ALL MY TAKING NOTES OF
10:07:20 EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID.
10:07:21 SO IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU HAVE THIS CHART.
10:07:24 AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THIS CHART IS WE HAVE TAKEN
10:07:27 THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS FROM EVERY CRA, AND WE
10:07:32 HAVE PUT IT INTO THE BUCKETS.
10:07:34 SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FIRST FIVE -- LET ME GET MY NOTES
10:07:39 A SECOND -- THE FIRST FIVE, EVERY CRA HAS THOSE WITHIN
10:07:43 ITS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
10:07:44 THE NEXT SIX, SEVEN OF THE CRAs HAVE THAT.
10:07:49 SO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU WILL SEE THAT TAMPA
10:07:51 HEIGHTS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT DID NOT REFERENCE AFFORDABLE
10:07:53 HOUSING IN ITS COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
10:07:56 SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU WANTED TO FOCUS AND DO ANY
10:07:59 KIND OF LEVERAGE TO SPEND TIF FUNDS TOWARDS AFFORDABLE
10:08:05 HOUSING WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE COMMUNITY
10:08:07 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IN TAMPA HEIGHTS.
10:08:10 THE NEXT FOUR OF THE CRAs HAVE THOSE BUCKETS.
10:08:15 AND AGAIN AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SIDE FOUR AND THE BOTTOM
10:08:21 CRAs TOUCH ON THOSE.
10:08:23 SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHEN YOU START TO PRIORITIZE
10:08:26 AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE, YOUR PRIORITIES
10:08:28 HAVE TO FALL UNDERNEATH THESE CATEGORIES.
10:08:30 THESE CATEGORIES ARE BROAD.
10:08:32 SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEW, WHICH IS
10:08:37 THE FIRST ONE IN THE SECTION, THAT'S ALL NEW HOUSING.
10:08:39 SO THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS NEW.
10:08:42 THIS IS MIXED RATE HOUSING.
10:08:44 THIS IS MIXED TYPE OF HOUSING.
10:08:47 SOME OF THE CRAs SAID THAT WE NEED SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
10:08:49 WE NEED APARTMENTS.
10:08:50 WE NEED DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.
10:08:52 AND THEN YOU SEE REHABILITATION OF EXISTING HOUSING.
10:08:56 AND THE SECOND FROM THE BOTTOM, WHICH ARE COVERED BY FOUR
10:08:59 CRAs.
10:09:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN?
10:09:05 QUESTION.
10:09:07 I THINK MR. CARLSON HAS RAISED AN INTERESTING POINT IN
10:09:11 REGARD TO PRIORITIZING.
10:09:13 AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S
10:09:17 IN THERE.
10:09:18 IT'S VERY VALUABLE.
10:09:22 IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING BUT I WON'T GO INTO THE MICRO
10:09:24 PART OF THIS.
10:09:25 BUT AS A GENERAL QUESTION, IF WE PRIORITIZE, WE ARE NOT
10:09:30 GOING TO RUN AFOUL OF -- MY GUESS IS WE ARE NOT GOING TO
10:09:34 RUN AFOUL OF THE STATUTE AS IT EXISTS TODAY IF WE DON'T
10:09:39 HIT THOSE PRIORITIES, RIGHT?
10:09:41 I MEAN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SORT OF INTERNALLY
10:09:44 PRIORITIZE.
10:09:44 MAYBE IT'S A SEPARATE.
10:09:46 MAYBE IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT OR A SEPARATE PLAN, A
10:09:50 PRIORITY PLAN PERHAPS.
10:09:51 AND THEN WE WOULD LEAVE THE PLAN ITSELF VERY BROAD.
10:09:56 AND THEN WE COULD DO A PRIORITY PLAN WHERE WE COULD
10:09:59 CREATE PRIORITIES WITHIN EACH ONE OF THE DISTRICTS OR
10:10:01 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
10:10:02 BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD RUN AFOUL WITH THE STATUTE, DO
10:10:05 YOU, OR MS. ZELMAN?
10:10:08 >>Michelle Van Loan: NO, YOU DON'T.
10:10:09 AS LONG AS YOU ARE DOING WHAT'S IN YOUR COMMUNITY
10:10:10 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO
10:10:12 EVERYTHING.
10:10:13 AND OBVIOUSLY ON A YEAR-TO-YEAR BASIS US CANNOT DO
10:10:16 EVERYTHING THAT IS LISTED IN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
10:10:18 PLAN.
10:10:18 WHEN WE HAD MINIMAL DOLLARS, WE HAD TO CHOOSE.
10:10:21 AND EAST TAMPA DURING THE RECESSION, WE REINSTATED THE
10:10:27 AFFORDABLE -- THE SENIOR LOW-INCOME HOUSING
10:10:30 REHABILITATION PROGRAM, AND WE PUT THE EXTRA DOLLARS WE
10:10:33 HAD JUST FOR THAT ON TOP OF OUR EXISTING PROGRAMS.
10:10:36 AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING WE SPENT MONEY ON THAT YEAR
10:10:39 BECAUSE IT WAS AN ESTABLISHED PRIORITY.
10:10:41 OUR HOPE BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE WERE GOING
10:10:44 TO TAKE YOUR PRIORITIES AND WHETHER YOU DO THIS ANNUALLY
10:10:47 AS A PRIORITY SETTING SESSION OR EVERY TWO YEARS, THAT
10:10:50 YOU WOULD LOOK AT YOUR BUCKETS, WOULD YOU LOOK AT WHERE
10:10:52 EACH OF THE CRAs ARE, AND WE GOT THE IMPRESSION WHAT
10:10:56 YOU WANTED TO DO WAS SET THE PRIORITIES BACK TO THE CAC
10:11:00 AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO STAFF AND YOUR CITIZENS ADVISORY
10:11:04 COMMITTEES AS TO WHERE YOU WANTED THEM TO FOCUS FOR EACH
10:11:07 YEAR.
10:11:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP, TWO POINTS.
10:11:12 I DO FIND IT INTERESTING, LIKE TAMPA HEIGHTS FOR WHATEVER
10:11:15 REASON DIDN'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:11:17 I IT DEFINITELY NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND
10:11:24 REHABILITATION OF EXISTING HOUSING STOCK.
10:11:27 AND NUMBER TWO IS, MR. CHAIRMAN HAS POINTED OUT ON
10:11:32 OCCASION, I GUESS WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS PHILOSOPHICALLY
10:11:35 AS A TOP DOWN OR BOTTOM UP.
10:11:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN
10:11:39 DINGFELDER.
10:11:39 ARE YOU FINISHED?
10:11:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
10:11:41 I WAS GOING TO SING YOUR PRAISES, JOE.
10:11:43 SO AS MR. CHAIRMAN HAS POINTED OUT, PERHAPS WE TELL THE
10:11:48 CACs, OKAY, YOU HAVE GOT A MONTH OR TWO TO LOOK AT THIS
10:11:53 LIST, YOU TELL US WHAT YOU THINK THEIR PRIORITIES ARE AND
10:11:55 BRING IT TO US AND WE'LL SEE FIELD GOAL WE BLESS IT OR
10:11:57 VICE VERSA.
10:12:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW THAT I HAVE THAT.
10:12:01 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:12:02 NOW THAT HIV THAT, IS THIS LIST OF PRIORITIES COMING
10:12:05 STRAIGHT FROM THE CRAs AND THE CACs?
10:12:09 >>Michelle Van Loan: NO, THIS IS COMING FROM YOUR
10:12:11 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
10:12:12 SO THIS IS NOT IN ANY PRIORITY EXCEPT FOR A NUMBER OF
10:12:17 INSTANCES ACROSS ALL YOUR CRAs.
10:12:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HAS THE CACs AND CRAs SEEN THIS
10:12:25 PRIORITY LIST?
10:12:27 >>Michelle Van Loan: THIS IS NOT A PRIORITIZED LIST.
10:12:29 THAT ITEM SIMPLY PROVIDING YOU THE BACKGROUND OF WHAT
10:12:32 LEGALLY YOU CAN PUT YOUR BUCKETS OF MONEY IN, YOU CAN
10:12:36 DECIDE YOUR PRIORITIES.
10:12:37 IF IT COMES FROM THESE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS.
10:12:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
10:12:41 NOW MY NEXT QUESTION, I GUESS, NOW THAT I AM LOOKING OUT
10:12:44 IN THE AUDIENCE I AM SEEING SOME HEADS GOING LIKE THIS
10:12:46 AND SOME HEADS GOING LIKE THIS.
10:12:48 CAN WE SUBMIT THIS TO THE CRAs, THE CACS, AND SAY DO
10:12:55 YOU AGREE WITH THIS, DOES YOUR COMMUNITY AGREE WITH THIS?
10:12:57 IF NOT HOW CAN YOU ASK US TO CHANGE THESE PRIORITIES?
10:13:01 >>Michelle Van Loan: OKAY, SO LET'S BACK UP.
10:13:03 I AM GOING TO SLIGHTLY READJUST YOUR QUESTION.
10:13:05 THESE ARE NOT PRIORITIES.
10:13:06 SO THE COMMUNITIES CAN'T -- THEY MIGHT SAY THAT BETWEEN
10:13:10 THE STAFF AND I, WE DID NOT INTERPRET THEIR COMMUNITY
10:13:13 REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, BUT WE TOOK THIS DIRECTLY FROM THE
10:13:16 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN.
10:13:17 YOU CAN SEND THESE TO THE CACS AND ASK THEM TO PRIORITIZE
10:13:23 THEM, YES.
10:13:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO CHANGE IT FROM PRIORITIES TO HOW THEY
10:13:28 WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE IMPLEMENTED.
10:13:31 THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
10:13:32 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:13:34 ANYBODY ELSE?
10:13:35 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:13:37 >>BILL CARLSON: TO THE POINT ABOUT GETTING PUBLIC INPUT,
10:13:40 I AM FULLY IN FAVOR OF THAT, TOO.
10:13:42 I THINK AS IT GOES BEYOND THE CACs, IT HAS TO GO TO THE
10:13:46 BROADER COMMUNITY.
10:13:46 WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY CAC BUT WE NEED
10:13:50 TO TRY TO GET BROADER INPUT AT SOME POINT AND MAYBE WE
10:13:53 CAN AGREE ON SOMETHING THAT'S STRONG TO SOME EXTENT.
10:13:55 I WANT TO ASK MS. ZELMAN, THIS LIST, IS THERE A LARGER
10:14:01 LIST THAT WE ARE LEGALLY ABLE TO SET ASIDE THE CRP?
10:14:08 IS THERE A LARGER LIST LEGALLY BY 163 WE ARE ALLOWED TO
10:14:13 ADDRESS, AND IS THIS A SHORT LIST OF IT OR IS THIS THE
10:14:16 COMPLETE LIST?
10:14:18 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: SO THE STATUTE OUTLINES WHAT CAN BE IN A
10:14:21 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WHAT YOU CAN USE TIF
10:14:24 FUNDS FOR.
10:14:25 THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MICHELLE TOOK DIRECTLY FROM THE
10:14:29 EXISTING COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, SO IF THERE'S
10:14:34 SOMETHING NOT ON THIS LIST THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE
10:14:37 ADDRESSED, SAY IN TAMPA HEIGHTS OR EAST TAMPA OR WHATEVER
10:14:40 THAT ISN'T HERE, THE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE MODIFIED TO
10:14:44 INCLUDE THAT.
10:14:48 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW HARD IS IT TO MODIFY THAT?
10:14:50 >>Michelle Van Loan: YOU CAN MODIFY THE PLAN.
10:14:51 YOU HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND
10:14:54 WORKSHOPS AND SET BY STATUTE THAT WERE REQUIRED THE FIRST
10:14:58 TIME.
10:14:58 BUT YOU ARE JUST LOOKING AT SEVERAL MONTHS.
10:15:02 EAST TAMPA IS ABOUT TO GO THROUGH ITS STRATEGIC ACTION
10:15:06 PLAN WHICH AGAIN HAS TO FLOW OUT OF THAT, BUT IF THERE
10:15:08 ARE PRIORITIES OR IDENTIFIED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE
10:15:11 WORKSHOPS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT
10:15:13 PLAN, WE CAN USE ALL OF THAT INPUT INTO A COMMUNITY
10:15:18 REDEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE AS NEEDED.
10:15:21 SO SOME OF THE THINGS WE DON'T HAVE ON HERE, YOU WON'T --
10:15:28 THE STATUTE ALLOWS TO US BOND LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
10:15:31 THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF THE CRAs HAD IN
10:15:34 THERE AND IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO EVEN MAKE A MENTION.
10:15:36 SO I DID NOT MENTION EVERY STRATEGY TO GET TO CERTAIN
10:15:42 THINGS.
10:15:42 IF YOU WANTED ALL THE CRAs TO LOOK AT BONDING
10:15:44 LONG-TERM -- I KNOW THIS WASN'T BE A SUGGESTION --
10:15:48 INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE COULD DO THAT.
10:15:50 IT JUST WASN'T AT THE TIME THE APPROACH WAS WE PAY AS WE
10:15:53 GO FOR THE MOST PART.
10:15:55 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST THING BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN
10:15:58 DINGFELDER --
10:16:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL HOLD TO YOU THAT ONE LAST POINT.
10:16:03 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID.
10:16:05 SO IF ALL BUT ONE OF THE CRPs ADDRESSES AFFORDABLE
10:16:10 HOUSING WE COULD PUT A HIGHER EMPHASIS ON AFFORDABLE
10:16:13 HOUSING WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE CRP, RIGHT?
10:16:18 >>Michelle Van Loan: YES.
10:16:18 EXACTLY.
10:16:21 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MICHELLE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TAMPA
10:16:25 HEIGHTS CRA DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL OF TAMPA HEIGHTS.
10:16:28 >>Michelle Van Loan: NO.
10:16:28 THE CRA HAS A MUCH MORE LIMITED SO WHEN SOMEONE SAYS
10:16:31 REHABILITATION OF HOUSING STOCK, THERE ARE NO HOUSING
10:16:33 STOCK WITHIN THE CURRENT CRA BOUNDARIES TO REHABILITATE.
10:16:37 SO WHEN THAT CRA WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED, I AM NOT QUITE
10:16:42 SURE OF THE TIMELINE OF WHEN IT WAS CLEARED VERSUS WHEN
10:16:45 THE CRA WAS ESTABLISHED, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY A BLANK
10:16:50 SLATE SO THERE WASN'T A LOT TO REHAB OR LOOK AT NEED,
10:16:53 FACADE PROGRAM OR ANY OF THOSE KIND OF ISSUES.
10:16:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BUT THAT PARTICULAR CRA WAS ESPECIALLY
10:16:59 MADE, CORRECT?
10:17:01 >>Michelle Van Loan: YES.
10:17:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO IT DIDN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THINGS
10:17:04 THAT SHOULD INCLUDE TO HELP THE TAMPA HEIGHTS DISTRICT.
10:17:09 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ALLEGEDLY IT WAS CALLED THE OLD TAMPA
10:17:11 POLICE DEPARTMENT CRA.
10:17:14 ROB, YOU CAN JUMP UP IF YOU WANT.
10:17:16 AND IT WAS ACTUALLY WHEN THAT AREA THAT NOW THE ARMATURE
10:17:22 WORKS AND THE PEARL APARTMENTS, OR WHATEVER THE
10:17:24 APARTMENTS ARE THAT'S NORTH OF THEM, THAT'S THE AREA
10:17:28 THAT'S ENCOMPASSED BY THE TAMPA HEIGHTS CRA.
10:17:33 THE CRA NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:17:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I FORGOT THAT.
10:17:39 ALTHOUGH IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN
10:17:41 OPPORTUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:17:44 [NO ENCODER]
10:17:49 [NO ENCODER]
10:18:10 >>Michelle Van Loan: COULD ALSO MEAN REVOLVING LOAN FUNDS
10:18:12 AND OTHER ISSUES.
10:18:13 SO WE HAD TO MAKE CATEGORIES FOR YOU GUYS OR ELSE THIS
10:18:16 CHART WAS GOING TO BE UNWIELDY.
10:18:18 YOU WILL SEE IN THAT FIRST SECTION COMPLETE STREETS AND
10:18:20 PAVING CORRIDOR UPGRADE.
10:18:22 THIS IS YOUR STREETSCAPING, YOUR PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING,
10:18:26 IN-FILL STREET LIGHTING, STREET FURNITURE, SOMETIMES IT'S
10:18:31 TRASH RECEPTACLES.
10:18:32 IN EAST TAMPA TRASH RECEPTACLES ALONG SOME OF OUR
10:18:37 RESIDENTIAL STREETS WAS VITALLY IMPORTANT AND THE CRA
10:18:40 PAID EXTRA TO HAVE THOSE IN AND THEN GET THAT COLLECTION
10:18:42 WHICH IS NOT A STANDARD CITY SERVICE THAT IS DONE.
10:18:44 SO A LOT OF THESE ISSUES YOU WILL SEE FOR SOME CRAs, IT
10:18:48 WAS THE PIPES IN THE STORMWATER IN GROUND.
10:18:53 WE LUMPED THAT IN WITH THE CONCEPT OF STORMWATERS AND THE
10:18:56 PIPES.
10:18:57 SO SOME CRAS, WHAT STORMWATER MEANS MAY MEAN SOMETHING IN
10:19:01 DREW PARK VERSUS EAST TAMPA VERSUS WEST TAMPA, BUT WE
10:19:05 LUMP THEM IN THOSE SAME TYPE OF CATEGORIES.
10:19:09 IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, I'M HAPPY TO.
10:19:13 OTHERWISE, OUR NEXT INTENT WAS FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE THIS
10:19:16 LIST.
10:19:16 AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS TO GO AROUND THE ROOM, AND
10:19:19 I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES JUST BECAUSE OF TIME.
10:19:22 BUT I WANTED, FROM THIS LIST, OR ANYTHING THAT COULD FALL
10:19:26 UNDERNEATH THIS LIST, TO GET EACH OF YOUR THREE TOP
10:19:29 PRIORITIES.
10:19:31 LET'S START LOOKING AT THIS.
10:19:32 LET'S START TALKING ABOUT THIS.
10:19:33 WHAT ARE YOUR TO PRIORITY GOALS FOR YOUR CRAs WHETHER
10:19:37 GENERAL OR SPECIFIC.
10:19:38 BUT LET'S START WITH GENERAL.
10:19:39 WE'LL GO THROUGH THE LINE ONCE AND THEN COME BACK TO MAKE
10:19:44 SURE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT GETS WRITTEN DOWN ALREADY,
10:19:47 LET ME KNOW.
10:19:48 I WILL MAKE DOTS NEXT TO THE ONES THAT COME UP
10:19:51 REPEATEDLY.
10:19:52 DID YOU DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A PLAN OR DID YOU WANT TO
10:19:54 THE GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION?
10:19:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: EVERYBODY ELSE ON BOARD?
10:20:00 PLEASE, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:20:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] WE HAD A CONVERSATION
10:20:05 WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ...
10:20:21 [OFF MICROPHONE] THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
10:20:25 WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ASSETS THAT THE CITY HAS AND ALSO
10:20:28 OBTAIN ASSESS.
10:20:29 THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GENTRIFICATION, AND
10:20:32 WE KEEP THE HOUSING STOCK WITHIN EAST TAMPA.
10:20:35 LOOKING AT MAKING SURE WE HAVE REHAB PROGRAMS.
10:20:37 GOOD ROBUST REHAB PROGRAMS.
10:20:40 WHEN I HAVE GONE ABROAD, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS
10:20:44 THAT WE HAVE.
10:20:45 ONE CITY BOUGHT A TRAILER AND FUNDED THAT TRAILER WITH
10:20:49 PRODUCTS AND GOODS, AND OUTSOURCED THE CONTRACT TO BE
10:20:51 ABLE TO GO THROUGH STREETS OF THEIR DILAPIDATED AREA AND
10:20:55 HELP REHAB HOMES.
10:20:58 PAINTING ON THE SPOT.
10:21:00 ROOFING.
10:21:01 BRINGING UP THE IDEA OF VISION OF THE COMMUNITY.
10:21:05 WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS.
10:21:06 I LOOK AT CERTAIN LAND MASSING IN EAST TAMPA.
10:21:11 I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THAT FOR HOUSING, FOR
10:21:14 RETAIL AND HOUSING.
10:21:16 I KNOW SOME IDEAS COMING BACK FOR CERTAIN PROPERTY IN
10:21:21 EAST TAMPA BUT I AM LOOKING AT PROPERTY ALONG 22ND
10:21:24 STREET, ACQUIRING ASSETS.
10:21:26 I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WAY TO GO FOR EAST TAMPA,
10:21:29 TO BRING THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT, AND ALSO FOR HOUSING.
10:21:33 PEOPLE WANT TO PLAN LIKE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING
10:21:36 RIGHT NOW.
10:21:36 SO THAT'S THE VISION I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT, DEALING WITH
10:21:39 HOUSING AND ECONOMIC IMPACT, RETAIL, AND HAVE A LIVABLE
10:21:44 PLACE.
10:21:45 I THINK WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT EAST TAMPA, IF WE GO
10:21:49 ROBUST, WE HAVE A ROBUST PROGRAM THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY.
10:21:53 AND I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES, EAST TAMPA HAS THE BIGGEST
10:21:56 CRA.
10:21:56 SO IF WE DO SOMETHING OVER HERE AND JUMP OVER THERE LIKE
10:22:00 NOTHING EVER GOT DONE.
10:22:01 SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT SECTORS OF THE CRA TO REALLY START
10:22:04 PUT PROVING IT'S WORKING SO NOW YOU HAVE A BUY-IN FROM
10:22:10 THE PEOPLE AND SAY I WANT TO BE MORE INVOLVED BECAUSE
10:22:12 THAT'S WORKING.
10:22:13 IT'S ALL ABOUT BUYING.
10:22:14 AND YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE A PLAN TO SAY HERE IS THE MAP,
10:22:17 AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO AND WHAT WE ARE
10:22:19 GOING TO TAKE, AND EVERYONE WILL START TO BUY IN, AND
10:22:22 WE'LL PROBABLY START TO GET MORE ROBUST PEOPLE ON THE CRA
10:22:25 BOARDS.
10:22:28 I THINK THAT'S A BIG FACTOR.
10:22:30 YOU HAVE A FEW PEOPLE NOW THAT COME IN WHERE A NEW BOARD
10:22:32 THAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED THAT HAVE SOME BACKGROUNDS THAT
10:22:35 CAN HELP MOLD AND DO SOME THINGS.
10:22:36 I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN LACKING A LONG TIME.
10:22:39 MY OPINION IS WE HAVE HOUSING, MAKING SURE WE HAVE A
10:22:42 BOARD, IN EAST TAMPA THAT HAS CRITERIA THAT YOU CAN BE
10:22:45 ABLE TO SAY THAT HAS SPECIFIC NEEDS FOR THE BOARD.
10:22:48 AND JUST PUTTING PEOPLE ON A BOARD WHO HAVE NO SPECIFICS,
10:22:52 THEN WE ARE LOST.
10:23:08 >>Michelle Van Loan: [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:23:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU WILL BE
10:23:23 ABLE TO ADD JOBS.
10:23:23 HAVE A JOB CREATION.
10:23:25 BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE GOT THE -- YOU NOW ARE REDEVELOPING,
10:23:31 TRYING TO GET RETAIL, THAT CREATES JOBS.
10:23:35 MY MACHINE IS YOU LOOK AT THESE MAJOR CORRIDORS AND WE
10:23:38 NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING TO BUY, WE ARE LOOKING
10:23:40 TO REESTABLISH AND HELP THOSE WHO ARE THERE.
10:23:44 THAT WAY, THAT WILL CREATE JOB CREATION WITH THEIR NEEDS.
10:23:48 NOW PEOPLE CAN WORK AND PLAY RIGHT THERE.
10:23:52 ONE LAST THING.
10:23:56 WE TALKED ABOUT OUR ROADS AND HIGHWAYS IN THE EAST.
10:24:03 THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY.
10:24:04 BUT WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME PLACES THAT HAVE NOT
10:24:07 BEEN LOOKED AT.
10:24:09 WHEN I LOOKED DOWN THE OTHER DAY, A GENTLEMAN CALLED ME
10:24:11 OUT TO STREETS AND ROADS AND I CAN SEE WHERE THE OLD
10:24:16 BRICK THAT'S PAVED OVER IS COMING UP.
10:24:18 HE SAYS, NO ONE HAS EVER TOUCHED MY STREET.
10:24:21 I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE
10:24:25 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING SOME GOOD ROLES AND THOSE
10:24:29 ROLES THAT NEED TO BE DONE BY THE CITY, WE NEED TO MAKE
10:24:32 SURE THE CITY DOES THAT.
10:24:34 I KNOW EAST TAMPA HAS PUT IN MONEY SEVERAL YEARS TO HELP
10:24:36 WITH THE ROADS. I DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT LAST TIME BECAUSE I
10:24:39 FELT THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE DOING A ROBUST JOB OF
10:24:42 LOOKING AT THE ROADS.
10:24:45 BUT THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADS AS WELL.
10:24:57 >>Michelle Van Loan: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DID YOU WANT
10:24:59 TO GO NEXT?
10:25:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:25:00 AND LET ME JUST CLARIFY THIS PROCESS.
10:25:03 BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROCESS.
10:25:05 BUT AGAIN, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD
10:25:08 OR WHAT WOULD IT BE, I DON'T KNOW, BROKEN STREAMING -- I
10:25:19 DON'T WANT TO SOUND OLD.
10:25:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: TOO LATE.
10:25:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, TOO LATE.
10:25:24 THANK YOU, JOE.
10:25:25 [ LAUGHTER ]
10:25:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JOKING.
10:25:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S ONE SIZE FITS ALL -- I DON'T
10:25:34 THINK IT'S ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
10:25:36 IT'S A GOOD EXERCISE BUT I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS
10:25:39 KIND OF TALKING ABOUT EAST TAMPA, NOT NECESSARILY
10:25:41 DOWNTOWN.
10:25:41 SO WHAT I SUGGEST IS LET'S DO THIS EXERCISE AND JUST TALK
10:25:47 ABOUT EAST TAMPA TODAY.
10:25:49 JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT.
10:25:51 BECAUSE IT HAS OFTEN BEEN THE FOCUS OF OUR DISCUSSIONS
10:25:55 ANYWAY.
10:25:55 AND AGAIN, THE NEEDS AND DESIRES, ET CETERA, OF EAST
10:26:01 TAMPA ARE SO DIFFERENT FROM DOWNTOWN OR CHANNELSIDE.
10:26:07 ANYWAY, THAT'S MY SUGGESTION, JOE.
10:26:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT ME, I WOULD SAY
10:26:14 YES, IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
10:26:15 BUT WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM WEST TAMPA.
10:26:17 WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM YBOR CITY.
10:26:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG FOR US
10:26:23 TO DO ALL OF THEM TODAY.
10:26:24 SO IF WE ARE DOING IT SORT AS A SAMPLE EXERCISE I THINK
10:26:27 IT'S GREAT.
10:26:28 BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT EACH ONE, THEN I AM
10:26:31 GOING TO GIVE YOU MY PRIORITY FOR EAST TAMPA, THEN MY
10:26:34 PRIORITY FOR DOWNTOWN, AND THEN GIVE --
10:26:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITHOUT FILIBUSTERING, GO FOR IT.
10:26:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TIMES 7 I THINK WE WOULD BE HERE TILL
10:26:44 MIDNIGHT.
10:26:44 SO I WOULD SUGGEST NOT THAT THE OTHER DISTRICTS AREN'T
10:26:47 IMPORTANT, BUT I WOULD SAY JUST TO SEE HOW THIS EXERCISE
10:26:50 WORKS, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT FOR ONE OR TWO DISTRICTS?
10:26:54 >>Michelle Van Loan: WE CAN CERTAINLY GO THROUGH IT AND
10:26:56 IT MAY GO FASTER IF YOU ONLY FOCUS AND THINKING ABOUT ONE
10:27:00 AT A TIME.
10:27:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN LET'S DO EAST TAMPA.
10:27:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:27:07 I SCRIBBLED DOWN SOME OF THEM PROBABLY PRETTY SIMILAR TO
10:27:11 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:27:13 I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS HUGE, BUT ALSO THE
10:27:18 AVOIDANCE OF GENTRIFICATION, AND WHAT THAT MEANS EXACTLY.
10:27:23 I THINK IT'S REALLY CRITICAL, BECAUSE WE CAN GO CHARGING
10:27:28 FULL BORE INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND BUILDING THIS GREAT
10:27:33 NEW HOUSING AND REHABBING HOUSING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
10:27:37 BUTT IF WE DON'T HAVE A BIG COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON WHAT
10:27:41 IS GENTRIFICATION AND HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT IT AS A CRA
10:27:44 AND HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT IT AS A CITY, THEN I THINK THAT
10:27:51 IT'S WRONG AND UNFAIR FOR NUMEROUS REASONS.
10:27:59 I HAVE GOT JOBS, AND SPECIFICALLY WORK WITH THAT HAND IN
10:28:02 HAND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
10:28:05 I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH OUR YOUTH AND
10:28:08 TRAINING, AND THEN THAT PLAYS INTO HIRING AND JOBS.
10:28:18 I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS MR. JOHNSON HAS BEEN DOING FOR
10:28:21 MANY YEARS VERY SUCCESSFULLY, AND I WILL COME TO HIS
10:28:24 DEFENSE.
10:28:25 I THINK ED HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE WHOLE TIME HE'S
10:28:28 BEEN THERE, A VERY DIFFICULT JOB, BUT I'LL SAY SIDEWALKS.
10:28:37 WHY DON'T WE SAY INFRASTRUCTURE, SIDEWALKS, LIGHTING.
10:28:43 I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY MAJOR POND WORK TO DO
10:28:46 ANYMORE.
10:28:47 BUT I KNOW WE HAVE DONE SOME IN THE PAST.
10:28:51 SO THOSE WOULD BE MY THREE.
10:28:54 THOSE WOULD BE MY TOP THREE OR FOUR PRIORITIES.
10:28:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I HAVE ONE
10:29:02 CRA IN MY DISTRICT WHICH IS DREW PARK, BUT AS WE VOTE, IT
10:29:06 AFFECTS THINGS CITY-WIDE, SO OF COURSE OUR VOICES ARE
10:29:09 EQUAL UP HERE.
10:29:11 YESTERDAY MORNING I WAS HAVING COFFEE AT THE WEST TAMPA
10:29:13 SANDWICH SHOP.
10:29:14 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BUMPED INTO ME THERE.
10:29:16 BUT A CONSTITUENT CAME UP TO ME ASKING ABOUT DITCHES ON A
10:29:19 CERTAIN STREET IN WEST TAMPA.
10:29:21 AND I'M BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE THE TOP THREE THINGS
10:29:24 THAT ARE REQUESTED OF MY OFFICE ARE WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO
10:29:31 DIG THE STREET, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE SIDEWALK,
10:29:33 AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO THE DITCHES?
10:29:38 IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT AFFECT JUST MY DISTRICT BUT GOES
10:29:40 BEYOND.
10:29:41 IN REGARD TO EAST TAMPA, AS A LITTLE BOY AND GROWING UP,
10:29:45 MY GRANDMOTHER AND I WOULD DRIVE TO THE CEMETERY, WHICH
10:29:48 IS AT MYRTLE HILL, ALMOST AT 56th STREET, AND WE
10:29:52 WOULD TAKE HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE OR BUFFALO AVENUE AT THE
10:29:54 TIME, MARTIN LUTHER KING, AND SHE WOULD TELL ME, BECAUSE
10:29:59 MY FAMILY LIVED DOWN IN THE HIGHLAND PINES AREA BACK IN
10:30:03 THE DAY, THEY SAID THIS USED TO BE HERE AND THIS USED TO
10:30:06 BE HERE AND WE USED TO SHOP HERE AND HERE, AND I LOOK AT
10:30:09 EAST TAMPA AS THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT AND YOU IT'S
10:30:12 FROZEN IN TIME.
10:30:13 A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS ARE THERE, BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED
10:30:16 BEYOND THE LAST FIFTY YEARS PEOPLE HAVING LEFT,
10:30:21 BUSINESSES HAVING LEFT, PEOPLE GOING WEST TO SHOPPING
10:30:23 MALLS, AND TAMPA HAS SPREAD OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE
10:30:26 HAVE EVER HAD -- WE HAVEN'T HAD A FOCUS ON EAST TAMPA
10:30:32 SINCE PROBABLY THE NUCCIO ADMINISTRATION WHICH WAS IN 67,
10:30:36 YOU HAD URBAN RENEWAL, YOU HAD THE DOWNTURN IN DOWNTOWN
10:30:41 AND YBOR CITY,
10:30:46 PEOPLE WENT TO OTHER AREAS AND FORGOT.
10:30:48 SO YOU GO TO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, SPECIFICALLY EAST
10:30:50 TAMPA, AND I SEE THEM IN BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:30:53 THERE'S A LOT OF OLD HOUSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND
10:30:55 WHATNOT.
10:30:55 BUT WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE MY FAMILY MOVED OUT IN 72, I
10:30:59 GO TO THE OLD NEIGHBORHOOD ON 48th STREET AND IT
10:31:02 LOOKS THE SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CARS ARE
10:31:04 DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW.
10:31:08 BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T FOCUSED EAST OF THE INTERSTATE.
10:31:15 THE INTERSTATE DIVIDING, THE INTERSTATE DIVIDED TAMPA
10:31:18 HEIGHTS AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IN TWO.
10:31:20 BUT EVEN TODAY WHEN I SPEND TO PEOPLE, IN THE SEMINOLE
10:31:23 HEIGHTS AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY'LL SAY WHICH SIDE OF THE
10:31:26 INTERSTATE DO YOU LIVE ON, EAST OR WEST OF NORTH STREET
10:31:28 OR LAMBRIGHT OR WHATEVER THE STREET IS?
10:31:31 AND IT SEEMS LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW -- IT'S PICKING UP ON
10:31:32 THE EAST SIDE SLOWLY.
10:31:34 IT'S BEEN -- IT'S TAKEN SO LONG.
10:31:37 AND WITH ALL THE MOMENTUM THAT TAMPA HAS, AND WE SEE THAT
10:31:40 ALL AROUND HERE IN DOWNTOWN AND WHATNOT, THERE'S NEVER A
10:31:43 FOCUS EAST.
10:31:44 I REMEMBER CAMPAIGNING IN 2015 IN EAST TAMPA ALL THE WAY
10:31:47 DOWN COLUMBUS DRIVE, AND I SAID AT THE TIME OF COUNCILMAN
10:31:51 REDDICK, I SAID THIS MAN CAN'T DO IT BY HIMSELF, HE CAN'T
10:31:54 REVITALIZE EAST TAMPA BY HIMSELF.
10:31:56 US AS A BOARD, WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE MOTIONS.
10:31:59 WE NEED TO BE FORWARD THINKING, NOT JUST IN OUR DISTRICT
10:32:02 BUT CITY-WIDE.
10:32:03 AND I SPOKE TO THE GROUP, AND I SAID, WHY IS IT THAT YOU
10:32:08 DON'T HAVE -- IT'S LIKE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA ISN'T THERE.
10:32:12 WHERE ARE THE RESTROOMS?
10:32:14 WHERE IS THE SHOPPING?
10:32:15 WHERE ARE THE GROCERY STORES?
10:32:17 WHERE ARE THE BASIC NECESSITATES THAT I CAN SAY, I HAD
10:32:20 PUBLIX HERE, A SWEETBAY HERE, THE MOVIE THEATERS HERE, I
10:32:25 CAN BUY A NEW CAR HERE, I CAN SHOP AND BUY WHATEVER I
10:32:28 WANT HERE.
10:32:29 EAST TAMPA YOU DON'T SEE THAT.
10:32:31 AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE HAD AN ADMINISTRATIVE -- MAYBE
10:32:35 THIS ONE WILL BE DIFFERENT AND I THINK IT WILL BE, BUT WE
10:32:38 HAVEN'T HAD AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS FOCUSED SAYING HOW
10:32:41 CAN WE BRING NEW DEVELOPMENT AND NEW BUSINESSES WHICH
10:32:44 BRINGS NEW JOBS AND NEW EMPLOYMENT TO THIS AREA THAT IS
10:32:48 SO HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, YET HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN
10:32:52 IGNORED?
10:32:52 SO THAT'S WRITE STAND.
10:32:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAY I INTERRUPT FOR ONE MONTH?
10:32:59 I WANT TO DO THIS BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR BECAUSE BOARD
10:33:02 MEMBER DINGFELDER BROUGHT THIS UP.
10:33:05 PURE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN
10:33:10 EXPEND TIF FUNDS ON.
10:33:12 IT'S NOT SOMETHING LISTED IN THE STATUTE.
10:33:15 SO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
10:33:18 THE STATUTE REALLY DOES FOCUS ON REDEVELOPMENT OF THE
10:33:22 PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT NOW.
10:33:25 OBVIOUSLY, REDEVELOPMENT THAT BRINGS IN NEW BUSINESSES,
10:33:29 BRINGS IN NEW JOBS, AND SO THERE IS A JOB CREATION
10:33:33 COMPONENT TO ALL THIS.
10:33:35 BUT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT TALKING ABOUT JUST PURE
10:33:41 JOB CREATION, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THOSE
10:33:44 PARAMETERS.
10:33:46 I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
10:33:47 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:34:00 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER BROUGHT IT UP IT.
10:34:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I SEE IT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST
10:34:05 FOR EAST TAMPA.
10:34:08 IT MAY BE IN THE PLAN.
10:34:10 I CAN'T FIND IT IN THE STATUTE.
10:34:11 I'VE BEEN LOOKING. I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT AND SAY
10:34:13 THAT.
10:34:14 BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I AM NOT SAYING IT CAN NEVER
10:34:17 HAPPEN.
10:34:17 IT CAN BE TIED TO REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
10:34:21 BUT ALONE, IT IS NOT PROVIDED FOR BY THE STATUTE UNLESS
10:34:27 SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME.
10:34:28 I CAN'T FIND IT.
10:34:32 >>Michelle Van Loan: THESE WERE DEVELOPED IN 2003 AND
10:34:34 ADOPTED IN 2004.
10:34:36 OVER TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN TWEAKS TO THE STATUTE.
10:34:44 >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE A STATE WIDE BODY WE COULD GO
10:34:46 TO, TO GET AN OFFICIAL LEGAL OPINION ON WHAT WE ARE
10:34:49 ALLOWED TO DO IN TERMS OF SOCIAL SERVICES?
10:34:52 BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE 163 IS VAGUE TOWARD A LOT OF THIS.
10:34:59 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
10:35:00 AND I DID WANT TO BRING THIS UP.
10:35:02 BUT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE MIAMI GRAND JURY
10:35:05 REPORT WAS THAT EVERY CRA BOARD MEMBER BE A MEMBER OF THE
10:35:08 FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION.
10:35:11 MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALL OF THE CRA STAFF, MICHELLE WAS
10:35:18 GOING TO LOOK INTO.
10:35:22 >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE A DEFINITIVE BODY?
10:35:25 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT'S SORT OF THE BODY IF YOU WANTED AN
10:35:27 OFFICIAL LEGAL OPINION, WE CAN REQUEST ONE FROM THE
10:35:29 ATTORNEY GENERAL, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
10:35:32 IT CAN'T JUST BE GIVE US A LIST OF WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO
10:35:36 SPEND THE MONEY ON, AND YOU HAVE TO ASK IT IN THE
10:35:39 CONTINUE TEXT OF A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
10:35:42 YOU KNOW, WE ARE CONSIDERING USING TIF EXPENDITURES FOR
10:35:45 THE FOLLOWING.
10:35:46 IS THAT ALLOWED UNDER THE STATUTE?
10:35:49 WE CAN ASK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT TYPE OF QUESTION.
10:35:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
10:35:59 I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MADE A LOT OF GOOD
10:36:02 SUGGESTIONS.
10:36:02 I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK FROM SOME NOTES I WROTE.
10:36:05 I THINK THAT ALL OF THIS GOES TO WHEN WE HEAR A LOT OF
10:36:08 THE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT WENT UP IN
10:36:11 EAST TAMPA, AND THE CONCERNS THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS
10:36:16 FOR ECONOMIC GROUPS THAT MAYBE AREN'T FROM EAST TAMPA, I
10:36:20 THINK THE MAIN THING HERE IS THE FEAR IN COMMUNITIES
10:36:24 WHENEVER THERE'S GOING TO BE REDEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO
10:36:26 BE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WASHES AWAY, SO TO SPEAK, THE FOLKS
10:36:30 THAT LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY, AS IT HAS ALWAYS
10:36:34 HISTORICALLY DONE AND I THINK THE COMMUNITIES HAVE REASON
10:36:37 TO BE SUSPICIOUS.
10:36:38 IT'S NOT PAR ANNOY A.IT'S REASONABLE SUSPICION BASED UPON
10:36:41 A HISTORY THAT WE ALL KNOW WELL ABOUT.
10:36:43 I ALWAYS SAY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REDEVELOPMENT
10:36:45 THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKES PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITIES
10:36:48 BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE A NEW, I GUESS, NARRATIVE IN
10:36:53 THE COMMUNITY.
10:36:53 AND THEN REDEVELOPMENT THAT USES PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY
10:36:56 AS HUMAN CAPITAL, INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COMMUNITY, TO
10:36:58 BUILD AROUND THOSE PEOPLE, TO BUILD WITH THOSE PEOPLE, AS
10:37:02 STAKEHOLDERS, IN THEIR COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK
10:37:05 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
10:37:06 OBVIOUSLY IN THAT REGARD, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT
10:37:08 EVERYONE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT OR HAS TALKED ABOUT IS
10:37:10 OBVIOUSLY A VERY, VERY BIG ISSUE.
10:37:12 I THINK AGREE COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO ON THE ISSUE OF CODE
10:37:16 ENFORCEMENT AND ILLEGAL DUMPING.
10:37:18 EVEN THOUGH THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T WITHIN THE CRA ABOUT I
10:37:20 GUESS IT WAS A WEEK AGO, I HAD A MEETING WITH SOME CITY
10:37:25 OFFICIALS OVER IN FOREST HILLS SPECIFICALLY ON THE ISSUE
10:37:28 OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.
10:37:30 AND WE HAD ABOUT FIFTY, SIXTY PEOPLE THERE BECAUSE THAT'S
10:37:35 A VERY BIG ISSUE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
10:37:37 WE KNOW THAT IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU HAVE ONE
10:37:40 OR TWO HOMES ON THE STREET THAT MAYBE ARE ENGAGING IN
10:37:43 BEHAVIOR THAT ISN'T UPLIFTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT
10:37:45 SENDS A MESSAGE THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO
10:37:48 DOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY A VERY, VERY BIG
10:37:52 ISSUE.
10:37:53 I THINK HAVING WALKABLE COMMUNITIES IS SOMETHING THAT'S
10:37:55 VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
10:37:57 I THINK EVERY COMMUNITY SHOULD BE WALKABLE, BUT I
10:38:00 CERTAINLY THINK THAT THESE COMMUNITIES THAT WE ARE
10:38:01 TALKING ABOUT HERE SHOULD BE HAVING PLANS THAT AFFORD
10:38:07 PROTECTIONS, IF ACTUAL, FOR PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS,
10:38:10 ET CETERA, WHICH THIS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE CITY OF
10:38:14 TAMPA IS SET UP FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS, I THINK
10:38:19 IT'S ALMOST CRIMINAL IN THE SENSE THAT WE DON'T AFFORD
10:38:22 THEM PROTECTIONS IN TERMS OF PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
10:38:24 I ALWAYS SAY THAT JUST PUTTING DOWN SOME PAINT ON A ROAD
10:38:28 AND SAYING THAT'S A BIKE LINE, THAT'S ALMOST A JOKE.
10:38:30 IT REALLY IS.
10:38:31 LET'S JUST CALL A SPADE A SPADE. SO I THINK HAVING REAL
10:38:35 PROTECTIONS THERE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THINGS LIKE ACTUAL
10:38:38 CONCRETE BARRIERS, FOR EXAMPLE, PROTECTING BICYCLISTS,
10:38:44 PEDESTRIANS, AS A GENERAL PRINCIPLE.
10:38:47 AND SOMETHING OVER HERE, AND THIS CAN'T COST A WHOLE HECK
10:38:51 OF A LOT OF MONEY IS GATEWAY, SIGNAGE, IDENTIFIERS.
10:38:55 WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORICAL COMMUNITIES HERE IN THE CITY
10:38:57 OF TAMPA, AND COMMUNITIES WITH LONG HISTORY, AND I THINK
10:39:00 THAT WHEN WE HAVE SIGNS THAT SHOW FOLKS THAT YOU ARE
10:39:05 GETTING INTO A PARTICULAR GATEWAY WITH A PARTICULAR
10:39:09 COMMUNITY WITH A HISTORY, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN OUTSIDE OF
10:39:12 THE CRAs BUT ON THIS SATURDAY I WENT TO GO MEET WITH MY
10:39:15 FRIENDS IN THE HISTORIC FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD AREA
10:39:17 AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR BIG THINGS THEY WANTED IS
10:39:20 SIGNS, AND THEY ARE ADVISING PEOPLE, HEY, LISTENS, YOU
10:39:23 ARE IN HISTORIC FOREST HILLS, THIS IS A COMMUNITY WITH A
10:39:26 HISTORY, AND ALSO COMMUNITY WITH A FUTURE BASED UPON THAT
10:39:29 HISTORY.
10:39:30 SO I THINK THAT FOR ALL THESE AREAS, GATEWAY AND SIGNAGE,
10:39:34 IDENTIFIERS, IS SOMETHING THAT CAN'T COAST A WHOLE HECK
10:39:38 OF A LOT OF MONEY BUT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT HI
10:39:40 THINK WOULD BE WORTH OUR TIME.
10:39:41 JUST SOME OF MY IDEAS.
10:39:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [OFF MICROPHONE] COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS
10:39:49 NOT HERE.
10:39:50 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:39:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU ALL.
10:39:53 FIRST OF ALL, CRA, I LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMUNITIES AND
10:39:56 THOSE THAT WORK IN THE CRAs THE DIFFERENT ONES THAT WE
10:39:58 HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
10:39:59 I JUST LOOK AT MYSELF AT ONE OF THE END WHO IS GOING TO
10:40:04 MAKE A DECISION YES OR NO BASED ON WHAT THEY NEED IN
10:40:07 THEIR COMMUNITY SO I RARELY GO.
10:40:09 I THINK I HAVE BEEN TO ONE CRA MEETING BACK IN 2005 OR
10:40:12 2006 OR WHATEVER IT WAS, AND CONGRATULATE THEM.
10:40:15 I NEVER GOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE DECISION MAKING.
10:40:18 THAT WAS THE DREW PARK CRA.
10:40:19 AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS AND LEFT.
10:40:21 I DON'T GO TO THEM AT ALL.
10:40:23 BECAUSE ONES YOU ARE THERE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL,
10:40:26 SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY, THAT ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHOEVER
10:40:29 HE OR SHE IS, MAY WANT SOMETHING.
10:40:30 I DON'T DO THAT.
10:40:32 I EITHER MAKE THE DECISION HERE OR NOT.
10:40:35 I AM NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFERENT ON HOUSING.
10:40:37 NO ONE HAS TOLD PUBLIC CITIZEN HOW THEY ARE GOING TO
10:40:44 ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING ON HOUSING.
10:40:45 THEY CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT.
10:40:46 WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS.
10:40:47 WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS.
10:40:49 THERE'S NO PLAN.
10:40:49 THERE'S NO CONCRETE PLAN HOW YOU BUILD IT, WHERE YOU GET
10:40:52 THE MONEY FROM AND HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT.
10:40:56 I AM GOING TO BUILD A HUNDRED HOUSES, I AM GOING TO BUILD
10:40:59 TWO HOUSES.
10:41:02 YOU HAVE A PLAN AND YOU HAVE THIS.
10:41:05 EL DE NIRO.
10:41:08 THE MONEY.
10:41:08 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.
10:41:09 I SEE SOME HOUSES I LIKE.
10:41:11 I HAVE SEEN SOME HOUSES I DON'T LIKE.
10:41:13 AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS JUST A WORD.
10:41:15 WHAT'S AFFORDABLE?
10:41:19 NO ONE HAS TOLD ME.
10:41:23 YOU KNOW WHY I LEFT THE HOUSING PROJECTS?
10:41:25 BECAUSE MY RENT BY $2 A MONTH.
10:41:29 $2.
10:41:31 I WAY PAYING 49.
10:41:33 THEY WANTED 51 BECAUSE I WAS WORKING TWO JOBS TO GET OUT
10:41:37 AND THEY PUNISH YOU FOR GETTING OUT.
10:41:40 I SAID, I AIN'T STAYING, I'M LEAVING NOW.
10:41:45 SO TELL ME WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY.
10:41:48 TELL ME WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE LAND.
10:41:50 AND TELL ME HOW YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD IT, WHERE SOMEBODY
10:41:53 DOESN'T MAKE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON HELPING
10:41:56 SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY NEEDING HELP.
10:41:57 I HAVEN'T HEARD NONE OF THAT YET.
10:41:59 AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, NOT GOING TO HAVE A PLAN, NOT
10:42:05 GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY, AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE A
10:42:07 FAILURE.
10:42:09 I REALLY THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU
10:42:12 HAVE TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO START A
10:42:17 SUBSECTION, PUT THE MONEY IN, AND YOU BUY -- YOU PUT IN
10:42:23 100,000, WHATEVER.
10:42:24 YOU GOT A MILLION.
10:42:26 PUT IN A MILLION.
10:42:26 THEN YOU CAN SAY I AM GOING TO BUILD EIGHT OR NINE HOUSES
10:42:29 BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO FIND THE LAND AND GIVE THEM THE
10:42:32 LAND AND THEN BUILD IT.
10:42:33 ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SO MUCH PROFIT ON A HOUSE THAT'S
10:42:37 BEING HAMPERED BY THE SAME -- AND IT'S NOT ABOUT
10:42:40 PROFITABILITY.
10:42:41 WITHOUT PROFITABILITY THERE WOULD BE NO AMERICA.
10:42:43 THAT'S THE DEMOCRATIC WAY.
10:42:45 YOU EARN WHAT YOU WANT TO EARN.
10:42:48 IF YOU WANT TO WORK FIVE JOBS YOU CAN WORK FIVE JOBS.
10:42:52 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, GIVE ME A PLAN THAT HICK SEE IN
10:42:56 TEN YEARS WHERE YOU ARE AT TODAY AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING
10:42:58 TO FINISH AT THE END OF TEN YEARS AND HOW YOU ARE GOING
10:43:00 TO DO IT AND HOW YOU ARE GOING TO FUND IT AND HOW YOU ARE
10:43:03 GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE SOMEWHAT
10:43:07 RESTRICTED, VERY MUCH RESTRICTED ON WHERE THEY CAN GO
10:43:10 BECAUSE THESE DON'T HAVE THE CAPITAL TO GET IN.
10:43:12 THEY DON'T HAVE THE CREDIT TO GET IN, SOME OF THEM.
10:43:15 THERE'S A WAITING LIST ON EVERYTHING OUT OF THE TAMPA
10:43:18 HOUSING AUTHORITY THOUSANDS, NOT HUNDREDS BUT THOUSANDS.
10:43:22 YOU GET ON THAT WAITING LIST.
10:43:23 IT'S LIKE ASKING COLUMBUS TO COME BACK AND SAIL BACK,
10:43:27 IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG.
10:43:29 IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:43:30 SO TALK IS A LOT OF TALK.
10:43:35 I DON'T SEE THE ACTION COMING WITH THE TALK BECAUSE IT'S
10:43:38 NOT A PLAN.
10:43:39 I HAVE SEEN SOME HOUSES THAT I HAVE WALKED IN.
10:43:42 THEY LOOK REAL NICE.
10:43:43 THEN I LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION.
10:43:44 I SHAKE MY HEAD ON THE WAY OUT.
10:43:47 REFRIGERATORS IN THE KITCHEN LOOKS NICE UNTIL YOU LOOK AT
10:43:51 THEM.
10:43:54 DOESN'T MEET MY STANDARD FOR HELPING SOMEBODY OUT.
10:43:57 YOU MUST KEEP IT UNDER $800 A MONTH.
10:44:02 AND NOT YOUR FAILURE.
10:44:03 BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING FOR FAILURES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO
10:44:05 CREATE YOURSELF.
10:44:06 WHEN YOU LOOK AT $800 A MONTH, THAT'S ONLY ONE PAYMENT.
10:44:10 THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TAXES.
10:44:12 THEY DON'T INCLUDE A WATER BILL.
10:44:13 THEY DON'T INCLUDE ELECTRIC BILL.
10:44:15 SO RIGHT THERE YOU ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT $1100 OR $1200 A
10:44:19 MONTH.
10:44:19 AND THE PEOPLE ARE MAKING 25 AND 30.
10:44:21 IT'S ALMOST MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT, RAISE A
10:44:25 FAMILY, PAY INSURANCE, PAY ALL THE FEES THAT YOU NEED ON
10:44:31 AUTOMOBILE AND TRANSPORTATION.
10:44:32 YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE IT THAT WAY.
10:44:33 I HAVE YET TO SEE A PLAN.
10:44:35 I HAVE YET TO SEE A COMMITTEE FORMED TO SAY THIS IS OHIO
10:44:38 IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
10:44:39 UNTIL YOU SEE THAT, YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT, BECAUSE
10:44:42 IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
10:44:46 THERE'S INDIVIDUALS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT IF YOU ASK
10:44:48 THEM, ON THEIR OWN, TO START A FUND, THEY'LL PUT MILLIONS
10:44:52 OF DOLLARS INTO IT, AND MAYBE OFFER THEM WHATEVER THE
10:44:57 BANK LOAN IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GETS 3% MONEY.
10:45:03 THAT AIN'T MUCH.
10:45:05 BUT, SEE, I KEEP A CHART ON THE HOUSE ON 15 YEAR
10:45:08 MORTGAGES AND 30 YEAR MORTGAGES AND HOW MUCH, 150, SO
10:45:11 MUCH, SO MUCH, SO MUCH.
10:45:13 AND I LOOK AT THAT EVERY DAY AS I'M WALKING OUT THE DOOR.
10:45:16 AND I SHAKE MY HEAD, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
10:45:19 DONE WITH FEDERAL MONEY OR TAX MONEY, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T
10:45:23 GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
10:45:24 THEY ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT.
10:45:25 IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS IT'S BILLED DIRECTLY FROM
10:45:28 THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OR ONE OF THEM AGENCIES THAT GOT
10:45:32 MONEY TO COME IN.
10:45:33 I DON'T THINK TODAY'S SOCIETY, THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO
10:45:36 COME AND DO THAT.
10:45:37 BUT YOU HAVE TO START IT WITH PRIVATE MONEY FROM
10:45:41 INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND SOME OF THEIR
10:45:45 MONEY HERE, AND I THINK THEY ARE WILLING TO DO THAT,
10:45:47 BECAUSE THEY KEEP MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE BANK AT A
10:45:50 MUCH LOWER RATE.
10:45:52 AND IF YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY TO GIVE YOU ALONE AT 2.5% YOU
10:45:56 BETTER GO GET IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
10:45:59 LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME.
10:46:00 AND THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE.
10:46:02 YOU CANNOT DO IT CITY OF TAMPA, AND NOT DO IT BY
10:46:05 THEMSELVES.
10:46:06 IT'S GOT TO BE A CONCERTED EFFORT.
10:46:08 AND WHEN YOU LOOK ABOUT THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S
10:46:11 GOT TO BE A COMBINATION OF THREE AREAS.
10:46:16 GOVERNMENT, OTHER THAN CITY OF TAMPA, AND THE SCHOOL
10:46:19 BOARD INCLUDED.
10:46:20 SO YOU CAN DEVELOP WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE FUTURE WHAT'S
10:46:23 HAPPENING.
10:46:24 YOU JOUST CAN'T SAY I WANT IT DONE, OR WHEN IS IT GOING
10:46:28 TO GET DONE?
10:46:29 THERE ARE PEOPLE NOW THAT JUST MUTT UP WINDOWS AND DOORS.
10:46:32 AND I SAY JUST.
10:46:33 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
10:46:34 AND IF THEY REALLY WANT TO WORK, GUESS WHAT, THEY CAN
10:46:37 MAKE $150 A POP JUST INSTALLING WINDOWS AND DOORS BUT
10:46:42 THEY HAVE GOT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
10:46:46 AND THAT'S ALL I WILL SAY NOW.
10:46:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.
10:46:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:46:56 >>BILL CARLSON: THREE THINGS AND THEN SOME COMMENTS TO
10:46:58 EXPLAIN.
10:47:00 ONE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
10:47:04 I THINK THAT'S OVERRIDING, EVERY WEEK THAT'S THE FEEDBACK
10:47:07 THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS
10:47:10 AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, AND THE MAYOR IS LOOKING AT IT
10:47:13 AND TRYING TO PARTNER AS BEST WE CAN ALONG THE LINES OF
10:47:18 WHAT WAY MILLION COULD HE GO LOOKS JUST SAYING.
10:47:21 THE OTHER THING IS WHAT I CALL NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL
10:47:23 CENTERS.
10:47:23 I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THIS AS
10:47:27 REAL ESTATE PROJECTS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IF WE HAVE TO
10:47:29 SPEND MONEY ON FISCAL INFRASTRUCTURE, LET'S SEE HOW
10:47:32 NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS INTERACT WITH IT AND TRY TO
10:47:36 BRING SERVICES CLOSER TO NEIGHBORHOODS, AND SO THE
10:47:39 SIDEWALKS ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S PROVIDING
10:47:43 SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO WALK TO, SO NEIGHBORHOOD
10:47:45 COMMERCIAL CENTERS, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS YOU ALL KNOW
10:47:49 I DON'T LIKE THE FACADE GRANTS.
10:47:51 I WISH WE WOULD FOCUS ON SMALL BUSINESS FUNDING IN SOME
10:47:54 WAY.
10:47:56 THE FEEDBACK THAT I GET IS THAT SMALL BUSINESSES AND
10:47:59 PEOPLE WHO IDEAS ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR SMALL START-UP
10:48:04 CAPITOL GET GOING.
10:48:06 THERE ARE MODELS LIKE IN BOSTON, WHERE A NONPROFIT WORKS
10:48:09 WITH GOVERNMENT TO BUILD RETAIL CENTERS THAT HAVE OFFICES
10:48:14 AND HOUSING ON TOP, AND THEN THEY TAKE EQUITY IN THE
10:48:18 BUSINESS IN LIEU OF RENT, AND SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS
10:48:23 OF DOING IT IF YOU HAVE TO TIE IN REAL ESTATE.
10:48:25 BUT IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES IN SOME
10:48:28 OTHER WAYS, I WOULD DO THAT.
10:48:30 I MEAN, THE VALUE OF CREATION IN OUR COMMUNITY IS COMING
10:48:32 FROM SMALL BUSINESSES, NOT COMING FROM SUBSIDIZING LURING
10:48:37 JOBS FROM OUTSIDE THE MARKET.
10:48:38 IT'S COME FROM DEVELOPMENT OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND WE
10:48:41 NEED TO ENCOURAGE SMALL BUSINESSES.
10:48:43 A COUPLE OF JUST COMMENTS ON THAT, ONE IS AGREEING WITH
10:48:47 CHAIR CITRO, PUBLIC INPUT I THINK IS CRITICALLY
10:48:50 IMPORTANT, BUT SOMEHOW WE NEED A MECHANISM TO GET TO THE
10:48:53 BROADER PUBLIC, AND WE SHOULD HAVE A LIST LIKE THIS,
10:48:58 INCLUDING WHATEVER ELSE IS LEGALLY POSSIBLE, AND PUT IT
10:49:01 IN BUCKETS AND PUT IT IN AN ONLINE SURVEY AND HAVE THE
10:49:06 CAC SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY WE KNOW BY DIG AT THAT TIME
10:49:09 ADS AND MAYBE HAVE PEOPLE PUT THEIR ZIP CODE OR SOMETHING
10:49:12 SO WE CAN HEAR BACK NOT JUST FROM THE CACs BUT ARE FROM
10:49:16 THE PUBLIC ALSO.
10:49:17 WE AREN'T GOING TO GET VERY GOOD RESPONSE BUT IF WE WANT
10:49:19 TO HOLD TOWN HALL MEETINGS WE CAN DO THAT TOO.
10:49:23 TO MY COLLEAGUE MR. DINGFELDER'S COMMENT, WE DEFINITELY
10:49:29 HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND MAKE SURE
10:49:32 THAT IT DOESN'T RUIN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:49:34 YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED ON THE WEST BANK ACROSS FROM
10:49:36 JULIAN LANE PARK DISPLACING 1200 FAMILIES I THINK IS
10:49:40 UNCONSCIONABLE.
10:49:42 AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO NOT FOCUS ON SPATIAL
10:49:45 SEGREGATION BY RACE OR INCOME.
10:49:47 WE SHOULDN'T ALSO GO IN AND BUILD 2,000 SUBSIDIZED
10:49:52 HOUSING PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT ARE BEING TORN
10:49:55 DOWN.
10:49:56 WE NEED TO HAVE -- WE NEED TO CREATE REAL COMMUNITIES,
10:49:59 AND NOT DISPLACE THE COMMUNITIES.
10:50:01 WE NEED TO BE VERY SENSITIVE TO IT BUT PROVIDE SERVICES
10:50:04 THAT ARE NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITIES AND NOT JUST CREATE
10:50:07 BIG POCKETS OF POVERTY LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST.
10:50:12 ALSO, I THINK -- AND I TALKED TO A LOT OF FOLKS IN EAST
10:50:16 TAMPA ABOUT THIS -- I THINK WE NEED THE COMMUNITY -- IT
10:50:19 LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALLOWED TO SPEND SOMETHING ON
10:50:21 MARKETING.
10:50:22 I WISH THE COMMUNITY WOULD LOOK AT EAST TAMPA INSTEAD OF
10:50:24 A PLACE OF POOR PEOPLE WHO NEED SERVICES, WE NEED TO LOOK
10:50:28 AT IT AS A COMMUNITY THAT DESERVES TO BE SERVED.
10:50:32 IF WE ARE -- MY COLLEAGUES MENTIONED WE ARE BEHIND ON
10:50:36 PROVIDING BASIC SERVICES THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
10:50:37 PROVIDING FOR YEARS, AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT AS A
10:50:40 COMMUNITY.
10:50:41 ONE OF THE THINGS I PROPOSED SEVERAL YEARS AGO WAS
10:50:44 GETTING A PHOTOGRAPHER.
10:50:46 I AM STILL WILLING TO SPONSOR IT IF SOMEBODY KNOWS A
10:50:49 PHOTOGRAPHER, BUT TO HAVE A PHOTOGRAPHER TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS
10:50:51 OF THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE IN EAST TAMPA AND HOLD AN
10:50:55 ART EXHIBITION OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT TALK ABOUT THE ART
10:50:58 CULTURE AT EAST TAMPA JUST SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT
10:51:01 DIFFERENTLY AND MAKE THE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT AND OTHERS
10:51:03 THINK ABOUT EAST TAMPA DIFFERENTLY.
10:51:04 IT'S A THRIVING COMMUNITY, AND THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN
10:51:08 HELP.
10:51:08 BUT WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY, BE SENSITIVE.
10:51:11 BUT I THINK ABOUT EAST TAMPA NEEDS THE SAME SERVICES
10:51:13 EVERYBODY ELSE NEEDS.
10:51:14 SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE THOSE.
10:51:16 THANK YOU.
10:51:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LIKE THAT IDEA OF PHOTOGRAPHING
10:51:22 THE HISTORIC PARTS OF EAST TAMPA.
10:51:25 COUNCILMAN COHEN ASKED ME LAST YEAR, THERE'S A HOUSE ON
10:51:31 BAYSHORE, AND ANOTHER HOUSE AT THE END OF MARTIN LUTHER
10:51:33 KING.
10:51:33 IT'S A PERFECT MID CENTURY DESIGN.
10:51:35 IN EAST TAMPA YOU WILL FIND THIS HOUSE.
10:51:38 BUT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT'S OUT THERE.
10:51:39 BUT WHEN YOU SHOWCASE IT AS YOU SAID, I IT'S AN IDEA.
10:51:45 THANK YOU.
10:51:50 >>Michelle Van Loan: DID YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER
10:51:51 CRA?
10:51:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY OPINION, IF I
10:51:55 COULD.
10:51:55 [ LAUGHTER ]
10:51:56 IF I COULD.
10:51:58 THERE'S A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
10:52:05 [ LAUGHTER ]
10:52:06 I THOUGHT YOU SAID MOTION TO ADJOURN.
10:52:09 I HAVE BEEN CALLING YOU MICHELLE ALL DAY LONG AND I
10:52:12 APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
10:52:13 MS. VAN LOAN FOR PUTTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER.
10:52:16 THANK YOU.
10:52:17 EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NOT FINISHED.
10:52:18 I DIDN'T START OUT BY SAYING THAT.
10:52:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME INVOLVED IN THIS.
10:52:24 THERE'S A LOT OF IFs GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
10:52:28 TRANSPORTATION TAX.
10:52:29 THAT'S A BIG IF.
10:52:30 IF WE GET THAT GOING THROUGH, A LOT OF THE THINGS ON THIS
10:52:34 WISH LIST WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
10:52:38 WE HAVE A NEW PIPES PROJECT WHICH WE ALL PASSED.
10:52:43 IF THAT HAPPENS, A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS LIST WILL COME
10:52:47 TO FRUITION.
10:52:49 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EAST TAMPA.
10:52:53 THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE.
10:52:57 HOWEVER, IF WE CONCENTRATE ON TARGETED INDUSTRIES AND
10:53:01 MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN RAISE THE AVERAGE INCOME
10:53:07 WHICH HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
10:53:09 AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH BETTER CAREERS THAT PAY BETTER.
10:53:19 WE HAVE EXISTING HOUSING.
10:53:22 THERE ARE SOME POOR PEOPLE.
10:53:24 THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T MAKE THE MONEY.
10:53:26 THERE ARE SOME ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT CAN'T REHAB THEIR
10:53:29 HOUSE.
10:53:32 EVEN THOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOME OWNERSHIP MAY BE
10:53:37 OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW AS FAR AS FINANCES GO, WE NEED
10:53:41 MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE WORKING POOR.
10:53:44 AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF IFs OUT THERE, BUT THESE ARE
10:53:47 THREE OF MY CONCERNS.
10:53:51 GET THE AVERAGE WAGE INCOME UP, PEOPLE CAN AFFORD
10:53:57 HOUSING, GET MIXED USE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO
10:54:00 THEIR CARS, INTO A BUS, INTO SOME SORT OF TRANSPORTATION
10:54:03 TO GO ELSEWHERE OUTSIDE OF THEIR COMMUNITY TO PURCHASE
10:54:07 GROCERIES, PHARMACEUTICALS, WHATEVER.
10:54:12 KEEP THE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE AREA.
10:54:15 BUILD THE COMMUNITY FROM WITHIN.
10:54:20 AND THOSE ARE MY THREE POINTS.
10:54:22 COUNCIL, DO WE HAVE TIME TO GO ON TO OTHER DISTRICTS SUCH
10:54:25 AS WEST TAMPA, SUCH AS YBOR, SUCH AS DREW PARK, SUCH AS
10:54:30 DOWNTOWN?
10:54:32 OR DO WE WANT TO KIND OF WRAP THIS UP NOW?
10:54:41 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:54:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK AS BILL POINTED OUT, USING HIS
10:54:52 FIRST NAME IF WE ARE IN A CASUAL WORKSHOP, BILL POINTED
10:54:55 OUT WE HAVE THESE OTHER ISSUES WITHIN THE AGENDA TODAY.
10:55:02 I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GOOD PROGRESS.
10:55:04 BUT WE HAVE THESE RATHER SORT OF STRUCTURAL ISSUES, ABOUT
10:55:08 THE CRA DIRECTOR.
10:55:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MEANT WRAP THIS UP AS FAR AS A WISH
10:55:15 LIST FOR CRAs.
10:55:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE MADE GOOD PROGRESS TODAY
10:55:20 AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON TO OTHER ISSUES.
10:55:23 WE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR BEFORE NOON.
10:55:25 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M OKAY IF YOU WANT TO GO TO EVERY ONE
10:55:27 BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE REST OF THEM?
10:55:31 I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A HIGH OPERATOR ON AFFORDABLE
10:55:34 HOUSING FOR ALL OF THEM.
10:55:35 EVEN DOWNTOWN.
10:55:37 IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.
10:55:39 PEOPLE WHO WORK IN DOWNTOWN, WHO CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN
10:55:43 DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW HAVE TO TRAVEL A LONG WAYS SO THAT
10:55:46 PUTS TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD.
10:55:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, DO YOU WANT TO GO INTO THESE OTHER
10:55:51 CRAs?
10:55:53 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE COME UP WITH CRITERIA FOR ALL OF
10:55:56 THEM?
10:55:56 AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE ON ALL OF THEM.
10:56:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I SUGGEST, WHY DON'T -- MICHELLE
10:56:04 COULD GIVE US LIKE A LITTLE FORM THAT BREAKS OUT THE REST
10:56:08 OF THEM, AND WE COULD WRITE OUR PRIORITIES AND SEND THEM
10:56:12 BACK TO HER AND THEN SHE CAN TABULATE THEM.
10:56:16 AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE TOO MUCH WORK TO DO FOR TOO LITTLE
10:56:19 TIME TODAY.
10:56:20 I WOULD RATHER USE THE TIME FOR SOME OF THESE STRUCTURAL
10:56:24 POLICY THINGS.
10:56:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD.
10:56:31 >>LUIS VIERA: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:56:33 I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID CAN GO TO A
10:56:35 MAJORITY OF THE CRAs.
10:56:36 BUT I THINK THAT WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SUGGESTED I
10:56:40 THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, IN MY OPINION, SO THAT WE CAN GO TO
10:56:45 OTHER ISSUES.
10:56:45 JUST MY OPINION.
10:56:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE SET THAT UP, PLEASE?
10:56:51 >>Michelle Van Loan: SO I WILL SEND OUT A FORM THAT LISTS
10:56:52 WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE FOR EAST TAMPA SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE
10:56:55 RESULTS.
10:56:55 AND THEN I WILL LEAVE YOU SPACES UP TO LIKE FIVE.
10:56:58 YOU CAN USE AN EXCEL SPREAD SHEET OR WORD WHERE YOU CAN
10:57:02 FILL OUT AS MUCH SPACE AS YOU NEEDED BY CRA.
10:57:05 AND I WILL INCLUDE A COPY OF THIS CHART SO YOU HAVE THAT
10:57:08 AS REFERENCE.
10:57:09 AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT TO GIVE YOURSELVES?
10:57:12 I DON'T LIKE TO SAY, OH, HAVE THIS BACK TO ME BY A
10:57:15 CERTAIN DATE.
10:57:16 BUT I WILL LET YOU GUYS SET IT.
10:57:21 >>BILL CARLSON: IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO IT NOW AND GIVE IT
10:57:22 BACK TO YOU WHILE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES?
10:57:27 >>Michelle Van Loan: YOU ALL HAVE SCRAP PAPER IN FRONT OF
10:57:28 UP THAT I SET OUT THERE.
10:57:30 YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO GIVE ME WHATEVER NOTES AND
10:57:33 YOU CAN USE THE BP FOR DREW PARK, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO
10:57:39 GIVE ME IN THE NEXT HOUR THAT YOU WANT TO WRITE UP, I
10:57:41 WILL CERTAINLY INCORPORATE.
10:57:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COULD YOU GIVE US A WEEK FOR THOSE FOR
10:57:46 THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOU?
10:57:50 >>Michelle Van Loan: CERTAINLY.
10:57:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT ALL RIGHT FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS,
10:57:54 BOARD MEMBERS?
10:57:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GIVE HER TIME TO REPORT TO US AT OUR
10:57:58 NEXT CRA MEETING ABOUT THE RESULTS.
10:58:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOUNDS GOOD:
10:58:04 >>Michelle Van Loan: IF I CAN HAVE THE POWER POINT BACK.
10:58:09 SO WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, HERE ARE SOME OF THE
10:58:14 THINGS WE ALREADY REPORT TO YOU.
10:58:15 WE DO OUR CRA ANNUAL ACTIVITY REPORT THAT BE IS REQUIRED
10:58:18 BY 163, THAT IS THAT LONG PAGE GLOSSY ONE THAT WE GIVE
10:58:23 YOU.
10:58:23 WE DO OUR ANNUAL BUDGET POWER POINT THAT YOU SAW THIS
10:58:26 PAST SUMMER AND THE ANNUAL BUDGET BOOK WHICH AGAIN IS
10:58:29 REQUIRED FOR US TO DO.
10:58:30 WE ALSO GIVE YOU QUARTERLY FINANCIAL REPORTS THAT COME
10:58:32 FROM OUR FISCAL OFFICER SUSAN DABBLE AND GIVE THOSE TO
10:58:36 YOU FOR ADOPTION, RECEIVE AND FILE EVERY QUARTER.
10:58:38 WE DO AN ANNUAL FACADE GRANT UPDATE TO YOU THAT LET'S NOW
10:58:41 HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE PAST YEAR, HOW
10:58:43 MANY PROJECTS, HOW MUCH MONEY, AND WE SHOW YOU SOME OF
10:58:46 THOSE PICTURES.
10:58:47 AND WE ALSO DO A FINANCIAL AUDIT.
10:58:49 IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE CITY'S AUDIT THAT WE HAVE BEEN
10:58:51 DOING THAT.
10:58:52 AND THAT IS REQUIRED.
10:58:54 AND NOW IT WILL BE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL AS THE
10:58:57 CITY WEBSITE.
10:58:58 SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD FOR YOU GUYS IS, OR YOU
10:59:02 ALL, SORRY, IS THERE SOME INFORMATION GAP, IS THERE
10:59:06 SOMETHING NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT SIX
10:59:08 MONTHS TALKING WITH US THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE?
10:59:11 WE HAVE BEEN UPDATING OUR MONTHLY REPORTS.
10:59:13 WE HAVE EDITED THAT BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK.
10:59:16 BUT IS THERE SOME OTHER INFORMATION REPORTING THAT YOU
10:59:19 WOULD LIKE FROM US THAT WE CAN START WORKING ON?
10:59:22 AND IF NOT, JUST THINK ABOUT AS YOU ARE GOING THROUGH, IS
10:59:25 THERE INFORMATION YOU WISH YOU HAD OR HAD FROM US OH ON
10:59:28 SOME SORT OF REGULAR BASIS?
10:59:29 WE'LL WORK ON INCLUDING THAT.
10:59:37 >>BILL CARLSON: I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU ALL SEPARATED IT
10:59:39 IN AND OUT INTO DIRECT AND INDIRECT.
10:59:41 BECAUSE IT'S CLEARER.
10:59:43 BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE THINKING OF THESE, AS I SAID
10:59:48 EARLIER, AS COMMUNITIES, AS ORGANIC COMMUNITIES, INSTEAD
10:59:51 OF AS PHYSICAL LANDSCAPES.
10:59:57 IF YOU READ 163, IN THE DESCRIPTION OF BLIGHTED AREAS, IT
11:00:01 TALKS ABOUT MUCH MORE THAN JUST VISUAL LANDSCAPE.
11:00:05 AND LEGAL WILL TELL US WHAT THE TOOLS ARE THAT WE CAN USE
11:00:09 TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS.
11:00:10 BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING
11:00:14 WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND HOW WHAT WE ARE DOING IS
11:00:18 ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY, WILL ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY TO
11:00:22 WORK TOGETHER.
11:00:22 AND THE CONSULTANT THAT'S WORKING WITH MARK SHARPE HAS
11:00:25 DONE THIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, SO HE UNDERSTANDS THAT
11:00:27 MAYBE YOU DO, TOO, AND YOU CAN GIVE US SOME
11:00:31 RECOMMENDATIONS.
11:00:32 THE OTHER THING IS, TO GIVE US AN UPDATES ON HOW CLOSE WE
11:00:37 ARE TO THE GOAL.
11:00:39 HAVE WE IN CHANNELSIDE, ARE WE 99% TO THE GOAL?
11:00:43 ARE WE 90% IN DOWNTOWN?
11:00:45 ARE WE 80 OR 90% TO THE GOAL?
11:00:49 I DON'T SEE MUCH SLUM OR BLIGHT IN ANY OF THESE
11:00:51 DEFINITIONS AS I DRIVE AROUND THOSE AREAS.
11:00:54 SO YBOR, ARE WE 50% OR 70?
11:00:59 I DON'T KNOW.
11:00:59 WE HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE NOW THAT WE RESET THAT GOES
11:01:02 WAY OUT.
11:01:03 BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT -- HOW DO WE SET EXPECTATIONS
11:01:06 THAT THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO END AT SOME POINT?
11:01:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT?
11:01:19 >>Michelle Van Loan: I AM WRITING DOWN EVERYTHING YOU
11:01:20 GUYS ARE ASKING FOR AND WILL DO.
11:01:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT ISSUE?
11:01:24 I THINK, MR. CARLSON, I THINK IN ADDITION TO WONDERING,
11:01:33 YOU KNOW, HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS, I
11:01:38 THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OPTION WE HAVE AS WE
11:01:44 THINK WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THOSE GOALS.
11:01:47 YOU HAD MENTIONED POSSIBILITY OF SHUTTING DOWN, YOU KNOW,
11:01:51 THE CRAs, IS THAT A POTENTIAL OPTION?
11:01:58 IN SOME AREAS WE LOSE THAT COUNTY COMPONENT, WHICH AS
11:02:02 HALLS BEEN HELPFUL.
11:02:04 BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE SHORT OF
11:02:09 SHUTTING DOWN THOSE CRAs WHEN WE THINK THEY HAVE
11:02:12 ACHIEVED THEIR GOALS AS WELL. ANYWAY, WHAT'S NEXT,
11:02:15 MICHELLE?
11:02:16 THEN I WILL HAND BACK THE GAVEL TO MR. CITRO.
11:02:24 >>BILL CARLSON: THE CHAIRS TURNED AROUND.
11:02:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR LUNCH
11:02:29 SITUATION AND IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF NOW.
11:02:32 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
11:02:33 JUST TO BE CLEAR WRITE STAND ON THESE, WAY WISH IS THAT
11:02:36 THERE ARE CLEARLY AREAS OF THE CITY THAT NEED HELP, AND
11:02:39 WHAT I WISH IS THAT WE COULD MAKE A DEDICATED CARVE OUT
11:02:43 AND SAY WE NEED 10 MILLION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR
11:02:46 OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN
11:02:49 HAVE A DEDICATED PLAN INSTEAD OF SETTING UP THESE THINGS
11:02:51 THAT CAPTURE MONEY.
11:02:52 AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO GET RID OF ANY OF THE ONES IN
11:02:55 AREAS THAT WE NEED.
11:02:56 MY ONLY QUESTION IS HOW LONG DO WE NEED THE ONES WHERE
11:03:00 BLIGHT IS ALMOST RESOLVED?
11:03:02 AND THEN THERE ARE ONE OR TWO WHERE WE HAVE LONG-TERM
11:03:06 FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS.
11:03:07 AND I THINK BONDING OR ANY LONG-TERM FINANCIAL
11:03:11 COMMITMENTS, SO THOSE THINGS WE DEFINITELY CANNOT SUNSET
11:03:16 THEM, BUT MAYBE WE CAN PUT A CAP ON THEM.
11:03:18 SO THE QUESTION IS WHEN COULD WE MUTT A CAP AND/OR
11:03:22 SUNSET?
11:03:23 AND THEN THE IDEA TO ME WOULD BE THAT THE MAYOR, THAT
11:03:29 MONEY WOULD THEN GO TO THE MAYOR, IF IT WENT INTO THE
11:03:31 GENERAL FUND, BUT THAT WE WOULD TRY TO PRIORITIZE THAT IN
11:03:34 THE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT REALLY NEED IT.
11:03:36 SO THE IDEA IS NOT TO SUNSET OR PUT A CAP ON A CRA JUST
11:03:42 FOR THE SAKE OF DOING THAT, BUT REALLY TRY TO REDIRECT
11:03:45 AROUND THE CITY TO AREAS THAT NEED IT SO NO WE DON'T END
11:03:48 UP WITH LOTS OF AREAS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS LIKE RATS IN A
11:03:53 COMMUNITY CENTER.
11:04:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE?
11:04:01 MICHELLE?
11:04:02 >>Michelle Van Loan: SO WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS
11:04:05 THERE HAVE BEEN AS YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU HAVE BLOTTED OUT,
11:04:13 THE NEED FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
11:04:15 AND THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN FRAMED THAT THIS IS THE
11:04:19 ANSWER, BUT THE PROBLEM ITSELF IS LIKE SAYING WE CAN'T
11:04:24 REPORT TO TWO MASTERS EFFECTIVELY, HASN'T BEEN DEFINED
11:04:27 CLEARLY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO SET A PATH FORWARD.
11:04:30 SO WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY GET THE FEEDBACK FROM
11:04:34 ALL OF YOU AS TO WHAT ARE THE ISSUES YOU ARE EXPERIENCING
11:04:39 THAT THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND THE NEW STRUCTURE
11:04:42 WILL ADDRESS SO THAT WE CAN BETTER DEFINE IT, SO WE WOULD
11:04:48 BETTER DEFINE ISSUES AND HAVE A BETTER DEFINED SOLUTION.
11:04:52 DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
11:04:54 SO WHAT ISSUES HAVE YOU BEEN HAVING WITH THE CURRENT
11:04:56 SYSTEM THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE
11:04:58 TO RESOLVE?
11:05:00 WHAT ARE THE GAPS?
11:05:01 WHAT ARE THE INSUFFICIENCIES THAT YOU SEE?
11:05:04 AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE ONCE WE HAVE THAT
11:05:08 SORT OF DEFINED FOR ALL OF YOU.
11:05:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:05:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LET ME CHIME IN.
11:05:15 AS YOU KNOW, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS UNDER
11:05:20 THAT PARTICULAR ADMINISTRATOR, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
11:05:25 I CAN SPEAK TO THE PRIOR EIGHT YEARS.
11:05:27 AND THEN I'LL SPEAK GENERALLY.
11:05:34 IF I SPEAK GENERALLY IT WILL BE BETTER.
11:05:37 I THINK LINDA SAUL-SENA SPOKE TO IT WELL, AND SHE HAD A
11:05:42 20-YEAR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS GOING BACK, 28 YEARS AGO.
11:05:50 IN REGARD TO THE FACT THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON,
11:05:54 HISTORICALLY, THIS BODY OF SEVEN PEOPLE KIND OF DELEGATED
11:06:04 OUR RESPONSIBILITY BEHIND US HERE TO THE OTHER BUILDING.
11:06:09 YOU KNOW, YES, WE MET ONCE A MONTH, OR LESS, TO KIND OF
11:06:17 GO THROUGH THE AGENDA, RUBBER STAMP, AND GET OUT AS
11:06:21 QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
11:06:23 BUT I THINK THIS BOARD OF SEVEN FOLKS HAVE KIND OF
11:06:29 DECIDED THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY
11:06:32 MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY AND REALLY TAKE BACK THE REINS OF
11:06:39 THAT RESPONSIBILITY.
11:06:43 WITH THAT, IN TERMS OF THE CRA DIRECTOR OR MANAGER, IT
11:06:51 WAS KIND OF LIKE THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG.
11:06:54 THE MAYOR BASICALLY SELECTED THAT PERSON, SENT THAT
11:06:58 PERSON OVER TO DEAL WITH US, YOU KNOW, AND WHATEVER FORM
11:07:06 THAT MEANT, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT PERSON
11:07:09 RETREATED BACK OVER TO THE MAIN BUILDING AND DID THEIR
11:07:13 OWN THING, AND WE WERE SORT OF A BIT PLAYER.
11:07:17 I PERSONALLY -- AND I THINK ON BEHALF OF THIS ENTIRE
11:07:21 SEVEN OF US -- I THINK WE WANT TO SEE THAT DYNAMIC
11:07:24 CHANGE.
11:07:25 AND I THINK THERE IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DO THAT
11:07:29 BY HIRING OR SELECTING A NEW DIRECTOR WHO REPORTS
11:07:35 DIRECTLY TO US FIRST.
11:07:39 IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T COORDINATE AND WORK WITH THE
11:07:42 ADMINISTRATION OWN A DAY IN AND DAY OUT BASIS BECAUSE
11:07:47 THAT'S PART AND PARCEL OF HOW YOU GET THINGS DONE.
11:07:50 BUT IN TERMS OF -- I MEAN, PERHAPS THEIR OFFICE IS EVEN
11:07:54 OVER HERE, AND SORT OF A SYMBOLIC FASHION.
11:07:58 BUT TO ME, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART.
11:08:01 I DON'T KNOW THAT THE DAY-TO-DAY FUNCTION CHANGES THAT
11:08:06 MUCH.
11:08:07 BUT IT'S THAT SYMBOLIC NOTION THAT THAT IS JUST LIKE WE
11:08:13 EACH HAVE AIDS, AND I THINK JERRY POINTED THAT OUT LAST
11:08:18 TIME, WE EACH HAVE ONE AIDE.
11:08:20 WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT ONE AIDE ANSWERS TO US FIRST AND
11:08:23 FOREMOST.
11:08:24 AND SYMBOLICALLY, I THINK THAT THIS DIRECTOR LIKEWISE
11:08:31 WOULD ANSWER TO US.
11:08:38 AND RESPOND TO US.
11:08:41 I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS HERE.
11:08:44 I GUESS THAT'S COMMUNICATION, INFORMATION, PROCESS.
11:08:47 I THINK IT'S ALL OF THAT.
11:08:52 SO THAT'S MY POINT THERE.
11:08:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:09:02 >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID.
11:09:05 AND THE GOOD THING NOW IS WE HAVE A MAYOR AND CHIEF OF
11:09:08 STAFF AND TEAM WHO I THINK ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH US
11:09:11 ON 99% OF EVERYTHING.
11:09:14 SO -- I SHOULDN'T BE DRINKING A SOFT DRINK.
11:09:20 IT SHOULD BE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS GOING FORWARD WHERE
11:09:22 WE ARE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER AND SET COMMON AGENDA
11:09:25 ITEMS.
11:09:27 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS I SAID BEFORE, IF WE ARE
11:09:31 SITTING AS CITY COUNCIL, AND WE APPROVE SOMETHING THE
11:09:34 MAYOR OR STAFF PROPOSED, THAT'S THE MAYOR'S IDEA, AND WE
11:09:39 CAN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE
11:09:42 MAYOR'S DECISION.
11:09:43 HERE, THE MAYOR IS NOT INVOLVED AT ALL.
11:09:45 SO THERE'S NO FILTER BY SOMEBODY AT THAT LEVEL.
11:09:50 THE BUCK STOPS COMPLETELY WITH US.
11:09:53 AND IF WE HAVE THE BOTTOM LINE ACCOUNTABILITY, IF WE HAVE
11:09:56 THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LEGISLATURE AND WHOMEVER, THEN WE
11:09:59 NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NOBODY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE
11:10:03 CRAs AND THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS, NOT
11:10:05 BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW BUT BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT
11:10:07 THE WAY IT WAS MANAGED IN THE PAST.
11:10:10 AND I THINK WE NEED OUR OWN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
11:10:15 I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO GET AN EXECUTIVE
11:10:18 DIRECTOR.
11:10:18 SO REALLY IT'S ABOUT WHAT THE CRITERIA IS FOR THE PERSON,
11:10:21 HOW WE ARE GOING TO HIRE THEM.
11:10:22 AND THE QUESTION, MART OF THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
11:10:26 OUTSOURCING EVERYTHING TO THE CITY.
11:10:30 YOU KNOW, THE STATUTE CLEARLY SAYS THIS IS A SEPARATE
11:10:33 LEGAL ENTITY, AND OUR FORMER LEGAL ADVISER EXPLAINED THAT
11:10:36 TO US.
11:10:37 WE CAN HIRE OUR OWN STAFF IN THE CRA.
11:10:41 OR ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT, IS IN
11:10:46 THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WE EXPANDED THE ABILITY
11:10:52 CITY COUNCIL TO HIRE STAFF IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY.
11:10:55 AND SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT AS THE CRA SIGN A
11:11:00 CONTRACT WITH CITY COUNCIL, PUT THAT PERSON'S
11:11:04 COMPENSATION INTO THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET, AND THEN THE
11:11:07 CITY COUNCIL WORK OUT WITH HR OR WHATEVER, SO THEY WOULD
11:11:10 BE A CITY EMPLOYEE, STILL WOULD BE AN OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT
11:11:13 BUT THE PERSON WOULD REPORT DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL.
11:11:16 ONE.
11:11:16 ADVANTAGES TO CITY AND STAFF IS THAT THAT WOULD BE OUR
11:11:20 MAIN POINT OF CONTACT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE UP AS
11:11:23 MUCH TIME, IF ANY, FROM THE INDIVIDUAL MANAGERS.
11:11:28 THAT PERSON SHOULD BE THE PERSON OVERSEEING ALL THE
11:11:32 MANAGERS IN IMPLEMENTING THE PLANS.
11:11:35 AND HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
11:11:37 JUST LIKE ALTHOUGH WE MAY CALL LEGAL DEPARTMENT SOMETIMES
11:11:39 A LOT OF OUR LEGAL QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED BY MARTY, I
11:11:43 THINK THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE VERY HIGH LEVEL, VERY HIGH
11:11:46 CALIBER.
11:11:48 I THINK WE SHOULD DO A NATIONAL SEARCH.
11:11:51 THE PERSON SHOULD HAVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE
11:11:59 AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE.
11:12:00 WHAT SHE SHOULDN'T BE IS A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER OR REAL
11:12:03 ESTATE PERSON.
11:12:05 THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO WORK WITH THEM, BUT IT
11:12:07 SHOULDN'T BE REAL ESTATE DRIVEN LIKE IT HAS TO SOME
11:12:09 EXTENT IN THE PAST.
11:12:11 IT COULD BE SOMEBODY WITH CRA EXPERIENCE, BUT WE COULD
11:12:15 EASILY TEACH SOMEBODY THAT.
11:12:16 WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTAND IT IS
11:12:18 ASPECT OF HOW COMMUNITIES WORK TOGETHER AND HOW COMMUNITY
11:12:20 IS BUILT.
11:12:22 AND THEN TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAS COME UP IS,
11:12:26 WELL, IF THE CRA MANAGERS ARE TECHNICALLY REPORTING UP
11:12:32 THE CHANNEL TO THE MAYOR, THEN HOW CAN THEY REPORT TO
11:12:34 THIS PERSON?
11:12:36 THE CRA HAS AN OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT -- SORRY -- THE CRA
11:12:42 HAS AN OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND
11:12:49 IT'S LIKE IF WE HAD A CONTRACT WITH AN I.T. VENDOR,
11:12:54 RIGHT?
11:12:54 IF THE CITY I.T. DEPARTMENT DOESN'T LIKE WHAT THE I.T.
11:12:59 VENDOR IS DOING THEN THEY WILL GIVE THEM FEEDBACK.
11:13:02 THEY'LL SAY, CAN YOU CHANGE OUT THE PERSON THAT WE ARE
11:13:04 WORKING WITH?
11:13:05 SO YES, ALTHOUGH FOR HUMAN RESOURCES PURPOSES, THE CRA
11:13:10 MANAGERS REPORT TO UP TO THE MAYOR.
11:13:15 OUR CRA EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR CAN GIVE FEEDBACK TO THE CITY
11:13:19 REGARDING THE CITY'S CONTRACT AND SAY THAT THE MANAGERS
11:13:23 OR THE CONTRACT IS OR IS NOT WORKING FOR US.
11:13:26 AND THEN WITHIN THAT, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CAN MAKE THE
11:13:30 DECISION ABOUT HOW TO CHANGE THE CONTRACT SO THAT IT
11:13:33 WORKS BETTER FOR THE CRA.
11:13:35 SO I LOOK AT IT AS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER OUTSOURCED SERVICE
11:13:39 CONTRACT OR SERVICE AGREEMENT, THAT IF THE EXECUTIVE
11:13:43 DIRECTOR IS HAPPY, THEN WE'LL GIVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK.
11:13:45 IF THEY ARE NOT HAPPY THEN WE'LL GIVE NED NEGATIVE
11:13:48 FEEDBACK.
11:13:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO RESPOND TO ONE ASPECT OF
11:13:53 THAT.
11:13:54 A NATIONWIDE SEARCH.
11:13:56 AND I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT.
11:13:57 AND THE EXAMPLE THAT I USE IS WHEN CHIEF ERIC WARD
11:14:00 ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY
11:14:03 HAD CHIEF DUGAN AS INTERIM, AND THERE WAS THIS NATIONWIDE
11:14:08 SEARCH.
11:14:09 AND MY QUESTION WAS, WHY DON'T WE -- WHY ARE WE WASTING
11:14:13 OUR TIME, IN MY OPINION, ON SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER PART OF
11:14:16 THE COUNTRY WHEN WE COULD GO IN OUR OWN POLICE
11:14:18 DEPARTMENT, AND WE DID END UP GOING TO CHIEF DUGAN.
11:14:21 BUT SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE COMMUNITY.
11:14:24 FOR EXAMPLE, IN REGARDS TO THE CRA ASPECT, IN THE GRECO
11:14:29 ADMINISTRATION, WE HAD FERNANDO NORIEGA, WHO I KNEW AS A
11:14:32 KID GROWING UP AND AS A FAMILY FRIEND, BUT HE WAS ONE IN
11:14:36 THE COMMUNITY WITH LONG-TIME ROOTS, I HAVE SEEN HIM
11:14:39 ACROSS THE WAY IN CHURCH, I WOULD SEE HIM REGULARLY.
11:14:42 HE UP IN THE AREA. IF WE GET SOMEBODY GOING BACK TO A
11:14:45 NATIONWIDE SEARCH THAT HAS TO BEGIN WITH FROM SCRATCH IN
11:14:49 LEARNING HOW TAMPA IS, LEARNING HOW TAMPA WORKS, I WOULD
11:14:52 RATHER LOOK AT HIRING SOMEBODY THAT'S LOCAL AND FAMILIAR
11:14:54 WITH THE AREA.
11:14:56 THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
11:15:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA HAD TO STEP OUTSIDE.
11:15:05 SO I WILL INTERJECT MYSELF.
11:15:07 AND THEN WHEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA OR COUNCILMAN VIERA COME
11:15:10 BACK IN.
11:15:12 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE MAYOR, I DO NOT WANT TO CUT
11:15:16 TIES WITH THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
11:15:19 THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE CRAS PAY FOR MATERIALS, PAY FOR
11:15:28 THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, AND CITY STAFF IMPLEMENTS
11:15:32 THOSE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
11:15:35 I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THAT GOOD WILL BOND THAT WE HAVE
11:15:40 BETWEEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE
11:15:43 BRANCH, AND THIS CRA AGENCY.
11:15:48 OUR BOARD.
11:15:49 HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE NEW PERSON COMING IN, I WOULD LIKE
11:15:54 TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ANSWER DIRECTLY TO THIS BOARD,
11:16:02 FROM THE CRAs, FROM THE CAC, FROM THE COMMUNITY.
11:16:07 THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE.
11:16:09 HOPEFULLY, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL
11:16:15 BE ABLE TO COME IN AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS.
11:16:19 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:16:22 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OTHER THING.
11:16:23 THAT AMERICAN HAS TO HAVE A DAY-TO-DAY PERSON TO REPORT
11:16:25 TO BECAUSE THEY CAN'T REPORT TO SEVEN PEOPLE ALL THE TIME
11:16:28 SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS THEY WOULD
11:16:31 REPORT TO WHOEVER T CHAIR IS OF THE CRA.
11:16:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO GET A PHONE CALL
11:16:43 FROM THEM MINES EVERY DAY, BUT THAT'S MAIN.
11:16:46 WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
11:16:47 DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS, GIVE EVERYBODY
11:16:50 A CHANCE TO STRETCH THEIR LEGS?
11:16:53 ALL RIGHT.
11:16:53 I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. LET'S BE BACK HERE AT 11:30.
11:17:01 (RECESS)
11:17:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I CALL THE CRA BACK IN SESSION.
11:31:07 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
11:31:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STILL HERE.
11:31:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:31:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:31:17 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:31:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
11:31:22 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE CRA DIRECTOR.
11:31:28 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
11:31:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME WAY.
11:31:38 I AM NOT GOING TO CHANGE ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTORSHIP OF
11:31:40 THE CRA.
11:31:43 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BENEFITS THAT THE CITY WAS GIVING,
11:31:48 AND I DON'T THINK THEY GAVE MUCH AS FAR AS TELLING THE
11:31:52 CRAs WHAT TO DO OR NOT TO DO, THEY ARE AN INDIVIDUAL.
11:31:56 I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIFE AND YOU LOOK AT SUCCESS AND
11:31:59 FAILURE, WHAT IT COSTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL OR COSTS TO BE A
11:32:03 FAILURE.
11:32:04 AND I MIGHT BE ON THE STICKING END OF MYSELF BY SAYING
11:32:09 HIRING A CRA IS GOING TO BE A CURE-ALL AND DEPENDS ON
11:32:16 WHAT THAT PERSON IS AND WHAT KIND OF SALARY YOU ARE GOING
11:32:18 TO PAY.
11:32:19 SO WHAT I AM HEARING, THE CRA DIRECTOR IS GOING TO
11:32:22 POSSIBLY MAKE MORE THAN THE MAYOR.
11:32:25 WHAT A COUNTRY.
11:32:25 [ LAUGHTER ]
11:32:27 WHAT A COUNTRY.
11:32:31 I AM NOT FOR THAT.
11:32:33 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:32:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE LAST PERSON WE WERE GOING TO HEAR
11:32:37 FROM, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:32:49 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:32:52 >>BILL CARLSON: WE GOT INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT
11:32:54 PRIORITIES, BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A STRATEGIC
11:32:57 PLANNING SESSION SOMETIME. THIS IS A GREAT DISCUSSION TO
11:33:00 GET IT STARTED BUT AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO MUTT TOGETHER
11:33:03 MORE OF A PLAN FOR THE CRA.
11:33:05 BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ANDREA -- MS. ZELMAN AND I
11:33:09 WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT THE BREAK, IF YOU LOOK AT HOW
11:33:12 WE HAVE REPORTED THE SUCCESS OF THE CRAs IN THE PAST,
11:33:15 IT'S MOSTLY ALL REAL ESTATE PROJECTS.
11:33:17 BUT THAT'S ALSO THE SAME WAY WE REPORTED ECONOMIC
11:33:22 DEVELOPMENT SUCCESS.
11:33:23 AND REAL ESTATE IS AN IMPORTANT SECTOR IN OUR ECONOMY,
11:33:26 BUT IT'S ONLY PART OF IT.
11:33:28 AND SINCE THE LATE 20s, WE HAVE HAD TEN-YEAR BOOM AND
11:33:36 BUST CYCLES IN REAL ESTATE IN FLORIDA.
11:33:39 AND IF WE CONTINUE TO PUT ALL OUR EGGS IN THAT BASKET AND
11:33:43 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TERRIBLE BUST CYCLE AGAIN LIKE WE
11:33:46 HAVE HAD EVERY TEN YEARS.
11:33:47 SO I THINK THAT ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE LIMITED IN HOW WE CAN
11:33:53 SPEND THE MONEY, WE OUGHT TO MEASURE SUCCESS IN DIFFERENT
11:33:55 WAYS THAN JUST LISTING REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
11:33:59 IF A NEW RETAIL STORE GOES IN AND A NEW STRIP SHOPPING
11:34:03 CENTER GOES IN AND A NEW OFFICE GOES IN, THAT'S ONLY ONE
11:34:05 WAY TO MEASURE IT.
11:34:06 WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS.
11:34:08 THE LAST WEEK I PRESENTED THE SCORECARD WHICH TALKS ABOUT
11:34:13 MEETING PER CAPITA INCOME, HOME OWNERSHIP, AND THERE ARE
11:34:17 WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THESE BY ZIP CODES AND FIGURE
11:34:20 OUT WHAT KIND OF IMPACT ARE WE HAVING REALLY ON THE
11:34:23 COMMUNITY.
11:34:23 THE 163 TALKS ABOUT CRIME AND HEALTH.
11:34:26 WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT CRIME AND HEALTH STATISTICS, BUT I
11:34:30 THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT SUCCESS WAY BEYOND JUST THE
11:34:34 PHYSICAL LANDSCAPE AND ESPECIALLY MORE THAN JUST THE
11:34:36 MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO REAL ESTATE PROJECTS.
11:34:38 ANOTHER THING ABOUT REAL ESTATE IS, I THINK WE NEED TO
11:34:42 LOOK AT WHO IS THEM, WHO IS LIVING IN THEM, WHAT
11:34:46 COMPANIES ARE WORKING IN THEM.
11:34:47 WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT YBOR.
11:34:49 THE OFFICE NEXT TO MY NEW OFFICE IN YBOR IS STILL EMPTY
11:34:52 BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY THAT WANTS TO MOVE INTO THE SPACES
11:34:55 BEHIND.
11:34:55 THEY WANT TO BUILD OFFICES.
11:34:56 WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE COMPANIES
11:34:58 THERE, HOW DO WE HELP SMALL BUSINESSES GROW TO FILL UP
11:35:02 SPACE IN THESE PLACES INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT THE REAL
11:35:05 ESTATE ITSELF.
11:35:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK IT COMES WITH DIFFERENCES
11:35:11 THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE AND MAKE.
11:35:13 AND I AM NOT AGAINST MY COLLEAGUE, WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID.
11:35:17 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIFE AND YOU LOOK AT THE
11:35:19 REALITY OF LIFE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO OFF
11:35:22 TO COLLEGE, BECOME A CPA, BECOME A DOCTOR, BECOME AN
11:35:27 ATTORNEY, BECOME AN ENGINEER, AND THEY MAKE A GOOD LIVING
11:35:33 AS THEY SHOULD.
11:35:34 PEOPLE THAT DO RESEARCH, TRY TO SAVE LIVES AND FIND OUT
11:35:40 WHAT CAUSES ILLNESSES, AND YOU GET SOMEONE THAT'S CAPABLE
11:35:43 OF HITTING THE BALL 400 FEET, AND IDOLIZED FOR 20 YEARS
11:35:50 AND MADE 150 MILLION.
11:35:52 GOD BLESS THEM.
11:35:53 BUT THEN THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY FOR THE STADIUM.
11:35:56 IN FACT THEY DON'T EVEN CALL THEM BALLPARKS ANYMORE.
11:35:59 THEY CALL THEM STADIUMS, AN EVENT, AN EXPERIENCE.
11:36:04 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
11:36:08 WHAT I'M SAYING IS, LIFE IS ABOUT EVERYBODY HAVING AN
11:36:12 OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT CREATING
11:36:15 HARM TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
11:36:21 AND AS YOU DO IN LIFE, PEOPLE WHERE THEY LIVE, WHERE DO
11:36:27 PEOPLE MOVE?
11:36:30 IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE KIND OF INCOME THAT YOU HAVE AND
11:36:34 WHAT YOU WANT TO BE.
11:36:35 YOU SEE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA OR YBOR
11:36:38 CITY, YOU GO BACK AND JUST THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO
11:36:44 EXPRESSWAY OVER THE DEMISE OF YBOR CITY.
11:36:46 IT WAS A FACTOR, BUT NOT THE COMPLETE FACTOR.
11:36:50 WE HAD 12,000 EMPLOYEES.
11:36:52 YOU HAD AMERICAN CAN COMING OUT OF KANSAS, SAME AREA.
11:36:55 WHEN THAT INDUSTRY WENT, THERE WENT 20,000 PEOPLE.
11:37:01 THAT BUILT THE HOUSES, LIVED IN THE HOUSES, WHERE THERE
11:37:04 KIDS NOW WERE MUCH MORE EDUCATED THAN THEY WERE.
11:37:09 MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDING MY FAMILY, HALF OF THEM
11:37:13 DIDN'T HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION.
11:37:14 ALL THEY WANTED YOU TO DO WAS FINISH HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE
11:37:17 THEY DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH THAT.
11:37:19 THEN LIFE CHANGES.
11:37:20 NOW YOU WANT TO THE GO TO COLLEGE.
11:37:21 WHEN YOU ARE IN COLLEGE YOU DON'T NEED A DEGREE.
11:37:23 YOU NEED A MASTERS DEGREE TO FIND A JOB BECAUSE OF
11:37:27 PSYCHOLOGY.
11:37:28 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT, NOBODY BUILD ANYTHING
11:37:31 THAT'S NOT GOING TO SELL.
11:37:33 THEY WOULD BE BROKE.
11:37:35 ON THEIR FIRST JOB, ON THE FIRST VENTURE THAT THEY TRY.
11:37:41 WHEN THE PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE -- AND I ALWAYS SAY
11:37:43 THIS WHEN I GIVE SPEECHES, AND I DON'T GIVE MANY ANYMORE.
11:37:47 THEY DON'T COME BECAUSE I AM IN OFFICE, OR MAYOR CASTOR,
11:37:50 MAYOR BUCKHORN, MAYOR GRECO, MAYOR IORIO, WHOEVER THE
11:37:54 MAYOR WAS.
11:37:55 THEY COME BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE HAS IN
11:37:59 THE COUNTRY.
11:38:00 SEE, WE HAVE TWO SEASONS, SUMMER, CHRISTMAS, AND THE
11:38:04 PEOPLE GET UPSET ABOUT LIVING IN THE NORTH, HAVING TO
11:38:07 SHOVEL SNOW, HAVING TO DO THIS.
11:38:10 BUT THEY COME TO BE AROUND THE WATER.
11:38:12 THAT'S WHERE I TALKED ABOUT THE WATER THE OTHER DAY.
11:38:14 HOWEVER, DUE TO THE NATURAL PROCESS OR THE HUMAN INVASION
11:38:18 OF NATURE, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE IN THE WATER, BECAUSE
11:38:25 INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO,
11:38:32 THE VOLUME OF WATER COMING IN IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE
11:38:35 VOLUME OF WATER GOING OUT.
11:38:38 AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN DIFFERENT
11:38:41 AREAS, NO MATTER IF IT'S A CRA OR NOT.
11:38:45 HOW COMFORTABLE THEY FEEL, HOW PROTECTED THEY FEEL IN THE
11:38:47 CITY, WHAT THE CITY SERVICES ARE, WHAT TYPE EDUCATION THE
11:38:52 KIDS ARE GOING TO HAVE.
11:38:54 NOT ALL ABOUT ONE THING.
11:38:55 IT'S ABOUT MANY THINGS THAT MAKES A CITY WHERE YOU WANT
11:38:58 TO LIVE AND HAVE YOU'RE FAMILY.
11:39:01 THERE'S MORE RELOCATION IN THIS AREA FROM WITHIN THAN
11:39:05 THERE IS FROM WITHOUT.
11:39:07 WHAT DOES THAT MANY?
11:39:08 THAT MEANS THAT THE GRANDKIDS OR THE KIDS ARE NO LONGER
11:39:12 STAYING AT THE COLLEGES THAT THEY WENT TO AND LIVE OUT
11:39:15 THERE.
11:39:15 THEY WANT TO COME BACK HOME BECAUSE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE
11:39:18 WITH WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
11:39:19 THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS CITY GROW, NUMBER ONE.
11:39:22 AND NUMBER TWO, THE ENTICEMENT OF THE FRIENDS COMING
11:39:27 OVER.
11:39:28 EVERYWHERE YOU GO SOMEWHERE, I DON'T CARE IF YOU GO FOR A
11:39:30 TWO WEEK VACATION, OH, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LIVE HERE,
11:39:33 UNTIL YOU GET HOME AND YOU SAY, WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT?
11:39:36 I LIKE WHERE I COME FROM BETTER.
11:39:37 LIFE IS WHAT IT IS, AND WE DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT
11:39:42 WE LIKE OR DISLIKE.
11:39:44 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CRA.
11:39:48 IT MAY BE NEEDING SOME TWEAKING LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE
11:39:50 DOES.
11:39:54 AND IT IS WHAT IT IS.
11:39:55 WE DO NOT ACCEPT THINGS LIKE THEY ARE.
11:39:58 WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER.
11:40:00 WELL, SOMETIMES IN LIFE, YOU BETTER BE SATISFIED WITH
11:40:03 WHAT YOU ARE, BECAUSE BETTER IS NOT ALWAYS THE ANSWER.
11:40:08 IT'S LIVING COMFORTABLY WHERE YOU ARE AT WHERE YOU CAN GO
11:40:11 SEE PEOPLE AND UNDERSTAND, LIKE WE SAID THE OTHER DAY,
11:40:13 MR. DINGFELDER WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH.
11:40:16 ONLY ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT.
11:40:17 YOU CAN BUILD ALL THE PORCHES YOU WANT.
11:40:19 MOST OF THEM WILL NEVER BE USED.
11:40:21 PEOPLE ARE USED TO HAVING AIR CONDITIONING, A $69,000 TV
11:40:28 SET THAT GOES FROM ONE WALL TO THE OTHER WALL, THEY DON'T
11:40:30 WANT TO MOVE, THEY WANT TO BE LIKE A COUCH POTATO.
11:40:33 IF THEY WANT TO LIVE THAT WAY, THAT'S FINE.
11:40:36 CHANGING A TIRE, WHEN DID YOU SEE AN INDIVIDUAL CHANGE A
11:40:39 TIRE ON A CAR?
11:40:41 I AIN'T FINISHED YET.
11:40:43 [ LAUGHTER ]
11:40:46 YOU HAD TO TAKE IT OFF THE AXLE AND POUND IT WITH A
11:40:50 HAMMER AND CROSS BAR.
11:40:51 YOU DON'T SEE THAT, RIGHT?
11:40:53 I DID MANY OF THEM.
11:40:54 TOO EASY NOW.
11:40:55 YOU GET A TIRE, YOU CAN RUN FOR 50 MILES WITH A FLAT
11:41:00 TIRE.
11:41:00 CAN YOU BEAT THAT?
11:41:02 YOU TAKE IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT COSTS 15, $20 TO FIX
11:41:05 A TIRE.
11:41:06 THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
11:41:08 AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN
11:41:11 ANOTHER WORLD.
11:41:12 AND IF YOU THINK YOU DON'T TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS NOW, YOU
11:41:15 WILL BE TALKING TO NO ONE IN YOUR HOUSE.
11:41:19 LOOK IN THE MORNING AT THE BUS LINE.
11:41:21 NO ONE IS LOOKING AT EACH OTHER EYE TO EYE.
11:41:24 THEY ARE ALL ON THE CELL PHONE.
11:41:25 THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
11:41:27 AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE.
11:41:29 HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU AND I SHAKED HANDS WITH SOMEBODY,
11:41:32 HI, MY NAME IS, AND YOU ARE LIKE THIS.
11:41:35 HI, MY NAME IS.
11:41:36 THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK AT YOU IN THE EYE.
11:41:39 IT'S ABOUT ME, NOT ABOUT US.
11:41:41 AND UNTIL WE GOT TO BE US, IS ME IS GOING TO OVERRIDE US.
11:41:49 IT ISN'T ABOUT REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.
11:41:52 IT'S ABOUT ALL OF THEM.
11:41:55 THE COUNTRY IS GOING THE WRONG WAY.
11:41:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:41:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU WANT TO ADD
11:42:02 ABOUT DIRECTORSHIP?
11:42:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S SOMETHING THAT INTERESTS ME.
11:42:06 I VOTED TO HAVE A REPORT BACK ON IT TO DISCUSS IT,
11:42:12 ET CETERA.
11:42:12 I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT CAN GET US MORE
11:42:16 ENGAGED.
11:42:16 IT'S THINGS THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO HEAR
11:42:20 FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON IN TERMS OF THE RATIONALE AND
11:42:23 JUSTIFICATION OF IT.
11:42:25 I TAKE THE POSITION THAT THERE IS NO RADICAL CHANGES
11:42:27 NEEDED IN THE CRAs.
11:42:30 I THINK THAT THE BASIC INGREDIENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE
11:42:34 RIGHT NOW, IF WE WORK WITH THEM AND MAKE THEM MORE
11:42:37 ROBUST, THAT WE CAN IMPROVE IT PARTICULARLY THROUGH
11:42:40 COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, CONTINUING TO HAVE THE BOARD BE
11:42:43 INVOLVED, ET CETERA, INVIGORATED NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE
11:42:49 SEEN.
11:42:49 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
11:42:51 BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I AM OPEN TO AND I
11:42:53 WANTED TO CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM COLLEAGUES WHO ARE
11:42:56 PUSHING THIS TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE RATIONALE AND
11:43:00 JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
11:43:01 SO I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT BUT I THINK WE ARE RIGHT NOW
11:43:06 AN INVESTIGATORY TIME FOR IT AND WE ARE GOING TO BE
11:43:10 SPENDING -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT, MAYBE 150, 200,000 TO
11:43:15 PAY SOMEBODY?
11:43:20 OKAY, SO WE ARE CAPPED.
11:43:21 IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT
11:43:23 INVESTMENT, AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE WHY THAT
11:43:26 INVESTMENT IS NECESSARY.
11:43:28 BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT PRESENTLY
11:43:31 OPPOSED TO AND OPEN TO.
11:43:32 I CERTAINLY THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP US TO
11:43:37 THE END RADICALLY RESTRUCTURING CRAs SOMETHING RIGHT
11:43:40 NOW IS SOMETHING I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO, BUT IF WE COULD
11:43:43 HAVE INCREMENTAL CHANGES, WORKING WITHIN OUR SYSTEM AND
11:43:45 HAVE THIS BE ONE OF THEM, I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.
11:43:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, THANK YOU FOR JOINING
11:43:51 US AGAIN.
11:43:52 I BRIEFED YOU ON WHERE OUR DISCUSSION IS GOING.
11:43:54 DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WHAT LIKE TO ADD?
11:43:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
11:43:58 GREAT MEETING I HAD THIS MORNING WITH THE MAYOR AND BLACK
11:44:01 ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND DEVELOPMENT OF EAST TAMPA AND SEE
11:44:07 A DIRECTION WE WANT TO SEE IN EAST TAMPA.
11:44:09 AS YOU SAID, YOU TOLD ME ABOUT THE HIRING OF THE
11:44:13 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN.
11:44:15 I'M ALL FOR THAT.
11:44:17 YOU CAN'T SERVE TWO MASTERS.
11:44:19 AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO CAN HANDLE
11:44:23 HIGH MANAGERS AND BRING BACK THAT INFORMATION TO WHOEVER
11:44:27 THE CITY IS GOING TO HIRE AND HAVE THAT FUSED TOGETHER.
11:44:29 BUT I AM JUST THINKING THAT TO HAVE A ONE BOSS
11:44:33 CONTROLLING EVERYBODY, I THINK WE HAVE A BIG CITY, WE
11:44:35 HAVE CRAs, THINGS ARE GOING TO, AND I JUST THINK IT'S A
11:44:39 BIG JOB.
11:44:39 SO I AM IN FAVOR TO LOOK AT THE HIRING THE EXECUTIVE
11:44:43 DIRECTOR TO HANDLE OUR CRAs, AND THAT WAY OUR MANAGERS
11:44:47 DEAL STRICTLY WITH THAT PERSON AND NOW WE HAVE A DIRECT
11:44:50 LINE OF COMMUNICATION VERSUS NOT GETTING THE
11:44:52 COMMUNICATION AS IN THE PAST.
11:44:53 AND THAT WILL BE THE QUESTION.
11:44:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:45:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:45:03 I PICKED UP ON A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I JUST WANTED TO
11:45:06 GET CLARIFICATION ON.
11:45:09 AND PERHAPS, I DON'T KNOW, IF WE ARE VOTING ON ANYTHING
11:45:13 TODAY, BUT PROBABLY NOT, BUT MAYBE AT OUR NEXT CRA
11:45:16 MEETING.
11:45:20 ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON WHO IS JUST THE CRA
11:45:25 MANAGER?
11:45:26 IN OTHER WORDS, THE PRIOR SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAD THIS,
11:45:32 THEY WERE THE CRA MANAGER AND THEY WERE ECONOMIC
11:45:34 DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
11:45:37 I FEEL THAT WE ARE SORT OF LEANING TOWARD HAVING A PERSON
11:45:43 WHO IS JUST FOCUSED ON BEING CRA MANAGER, AND RESPONDING
11:45:48 TO US.
11:46:01 I THINK WE SHOULD GET SOME CLARITY TO OURSELVES DOES THAT
11:46:04 PERSON IS JUST HAVE THAT ONE RESPONSIBILITY?
11:46:07 GOING TO YOUR POINT, MR. GUDES, IF THAT PERSON CONTINUES
11:46:10 TO HAVE THOSE TWO RESPONSIBILITIES THEN THEY ARE GOING TO
11:46:12 BE A BIT SCHIZOPHRENIC IN TERMS OF ANSWERING US ON THE
11:46:15 CRA ISSUES AND ANSWERING TO THE MAYOR ON THE ECONOMIC
11:46:18 DEVELOPMENT ISSUES.
11:46:19 MY LEANING WOULD BE THAT THE NEW POSITION WOULD JUST BE A
11:46:23 CRA MANAGER ALONE WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT POINT, IS IN
11:46:34 TERMS OF SALARY. I THINK THE SALARY THE PERSON HAD WAS
11:46:38 HEY BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON.
11:46:43 OUT AND I AM NOT DIMINISH THE ROLE OF CRA BUT I THINK WE
11:46:47 SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE CRA MANAGERS ARE MAKING AND HAVE
11:46:51 IT BE 20% HIGHER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAN THE HIGHEST
11:46:54 ONE.
11:46:57 THESE FOLKS TO ESTABLISH THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS
11:47:00 TO BE LIKE WAY UP THERE THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE, ESPECIALLY
11:47:05 BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING -- IF IN FACT WE SPLIT IT OUT
11:47:09 AS TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS, THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO
11:47:11 FUND THAT OTHER POSITION -- WE, THE CITY, ARE GOING TO
11:47:15 HAVE TO FUND THAT OTHER POSITION SEPARATELY, PROBABLY AT
11:47:20 A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL, TOO. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE JUST SOME
11:47:22 THOUGHTS.
11:47:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD.
11:47:30 >>LUIS VIERA: NOT COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES HERE BUT
11:47:32 WHAT DO OTHER CRAs DO IN OTHER CITIES?
11:47:36 DO THEY HAVE A SEPARATE DEDICATED INDIVIDUAL LIKE THIS TO
11:47:40 REPORT SOLELY TO THE CRA OR DO THEY HAVE THE MERGER, I
11:47:44 GUESS IF YOU WILL, THAT WE HAVE HAD NOW, AND IF YOU KNOW
11:47:47 THAT BY ANY CHANCE.
11:47:52 >>Michelle Van Loan: WE BROUGHT THERE WHEN IT FIRST CAME
11:47:54 UP IN MAY TO FIND OUT AND THEY GAVE US 200-PLUS CRAs
11:48:02 THAT ARE NOT CONTRACTING WITH THEIR GOVERNING BODY, WHICH
11:48:07 WOULD BE THE CITY OF TAMPA OR WHOEVER IT MAY BE FOR CITY
11:48:13 STAFF.
11:48:14 IN THOSE FEW OTHER INSTANCES THEY ARE USING AN OUTSIDE
11:48:17 ENTITY WHERE THEY ARE CONTRACTING.
11:48:19 THERE'S ONE OR TWO COMPANIES THAT DO IT FOR A FEW, AND
11:48:22 THEY COME IN MORE AS BEING HIRED FOR CERTAIN EXPERTISE, A
11:48:26 CERTAIN PROJECT, AND THERE ARE TWO OR THREE, AND I HAVE
11:48:30 WRITTEN DOWN AT MY DESK, WHERE THEY ARE HIRING WITH AN
11:48:34 OUTSIDE FIRM TO HANDLE THEIR CRAs.
11:48:36 THEY ARE MUCH SMALLER THAN WE ARE.
11:48:39 THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE THEY DID GO OUT TO
11:48:41 PRIVATE CONTRACTOR AND THEN BROUGHT IT BACK IN-HOUSE.
11:48:44 BUT THERE ARE TWO NOW THAT SORT OF HAVE A MIX.
11:48:47 THEIR CITY STAFF OR --
11:48:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THAT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
11:48:50 QUESTION THAN WHAT MR. VIERA WAS ASKING.
11:48:53 DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY?
11:48:55 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
11:48:56 WAY WAS SAYING IS OTHER CITIES, DO THEY HAVE A CRA
11:49:02 DIRECTOR THAT REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE CRA AND NOT THE
11:49:05 ADMINISTRATION?
11:49:06 OR YOU DON'T KNOW?
11:49:09 >>Michelle Van Loan: NO, THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING IS NO,
11:49:11 THEY ARE PART OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, THEY ARE NOT
11:49:13 WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO AS A DIRECT-ONLY REPORT.
11:49:17 SO IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION WE HAVE.
11:49:22 >>LUIS VIERA: WOULD WE BE THE FIRST TO DO THAT?
11:49:25 >>Michelle Van Loan: NO, I WOULDN'T SAY WE WOULD BE THE
11:49:27 FIRST.
11:49:27 WE WOULD BE IN THE MINORITY OF PROBABLY LESS THAN 1%.
11:49:31 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
11:49:33 >>Michelle Van Loan: AND THOSE THAT HAD THEM HAVE GONE
11:49:35 BACK, BECAUSE THIS DISJUNCTION BETWEEN US AND THAT LOSS
11:49:42 THAT WE HAD EARLIER IS HOW A SEPARATE ENTITY, A SEPARATE
11:49:45 REPORTING ENTITY, INTERACTS WITH THE REMAINING CITY
11:49:49 DEPARTMENTS, AS A SOMEWHAT SEGREGATED ENTITY, YOU LOSE
11:49:52 WHAT YOU GAIN OR YOU PERCEIVE YOU GAIN AT THIS END, YOU
11:49:55 MAY LOSE AT THE OTHER END, AND THERE IS SO MUCH WORK THAT
11:49:58 IS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE REST OF THE CITY.
11:50:01 SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ADDRESSING.
11:50:03 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE, WHICH VERY
11:50:06 LITTLE IN LIFE IS BLACK AND WHITE.
11:50:07 THERE'S OFTEN A LOT OF GRAY.
11:50:09 AND I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S THE GRAY IN THIS?
11:50:12 AGAIN I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA.
11:50:14 I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
11:50:16 THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED THAT I THINK
11:50:19 ARE RESPECTFULLY -- WHAT IS THAT SAYING, AN ANSWER
11:50:23 POTENTIALLY IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM, I GUESS IF YOU WILL.
11:50:26 THIS, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT, BUT I STILL WANT TO
11:50:29 CONTINUE TO SEE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT.
11:50:31 AGAIN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT.
11:50:33 IN OTHER WORDS, I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS DIALOGUE.
11:50:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO WE ARE CLEAR, I'M LOOKING FOR A CRA
11:50:41 DIRECTOR.
11:50:49 TO MANAGER AND MANAGE WITH THOSE CRA DIRECTORS, AND THAT
11:50:52 CRA DIRECTOR HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH WHOEVER THE CITY
11:50:56 HIRES AS THEIR ECONOMIC PERSON.
11:50:57 SO THAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP I'M LOOKING FOR.
11:51:00 THAT WAY, WE HAVE A DIRECTED PERSON TO DEAL WITH OUR
11:51:03 ISSUES, THE ISSUES OF THIS BOARD, WANTS TO ENACT AND SO
11:51:07 FORTH, AND THAT PERSON SOLELY CAN BE THE ECONOMIC PERSON
11:51:10 OF THE CITY.
11:51:10 SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, WHERE I AM COMING FROM.
11:51:13 AND I AM LOOKING AT A SOLE PERSON THAT DEALS WITH OUR
11:51:17 MANAGERS AND DEALS WITH THAT PERSON ON A CITY SIDE.
11:51:21 AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU TALKED ABOUT COST FACTORS.
11:51:25 IF WE SAY WE DON'T QUANTITY TO SPLIT THAT IN HALF
11:51:31 ANYMORE, THE CITY DOLLARS WOULD HAVE TO FUND THEIR
11:51:34 ECONOMIC PERSON ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THE SEARCH
11:51:36 ANYWAY.
11:51:37 SO WE ARE JUST GIVING THEM THE EXTRA DOLLARS TO I GUESS
11:51:42 SPLIT THAT COST.
11:51:43 BUT NOW THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE ON THAT BURDEN AS THEIR
11:51:46 OWN BECAUSE THEY ARE THEIR OWN PERSON, TAKING THAT COST
11:51:49 OF HIRING THEIR OWN DIRECTOR.
11:51:50 AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL SALARY
11:51:55 AROUND THE STATE FOR AN ACTUAL DIRECTOR IS.
11:51:58 AND AGAIN I WOULDN'T WANT TO PAY ANYBODY HIGHER THAN THE
11:52:02 MAYOR.
11:52:04 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED
11:52:07 IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ANSWER THAT WAS GIVEN.
11:52:12 THE QUESTION IS ABOUT WHO DOES THE TONE PERSON MANAGING
11:52:17 THE CRAs REPORT TO?
11:52:19 AT LEAST ANECDOTALLY I HAVE HEARD THAT OURS IS AN
11:52:24 EXCEPTION AMONG THE MAJOR CITIES AND IN WE ARE GOING TO
11:52:26 ANALYZE THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OUTSIDE GROUP TO
11:52:30 DO IT.
11:52:30 BUT ONE OF THE REASONS TO DO THAT IS NOT TO LOOK TOO FAR
11:52:34 BACK, BUT THERE WAS THE PERCEPTION, I THINK INTERNALLY
11:52:37 AND EXTERNALLY, THAT THE CRA BOARD HAD VERY LITTLE
11:52:40 CONTROL OVER THE CRA BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS
11:52:42 EXTRAORDINARY, AND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE INVOLVED, NOT
11:52:45 AT THIS LEVEL, BUT AT THE TOP.
11:52:49 IF A PERSON WHO IS RUNNING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS
11:52:52 RUNNING THE CRA AND THAT PERSON IS THE RIGHT HAND OF THE
11:52:57 MAYOR THAT PERSON IS GOING TO DO WHATEVER THE MAYOR
11:52:59 WANTS.
11:52:59 AND I REALLY LIKE THIS MAYOR.
11:53:00 I THINK THIS MAYOR IS BENEVOLENT AND IS GOING TO WORK
11:53:03 WITH US, BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T COLLABORATE.
11:53:06 AND THE IDEA HERE SOME TO THINK ABOUT, WE HAVE A LOT OF
11:53:10 CRAs.
11:53:11 WE HAVE MORE THAN MANY OTHER CITIES.
11:53:13 DON'T THE CRAs, ALL THESE COMMUNITIES, DESERVE TO HAVE
11:53:17 THEIR OWN PERSON LOOKING OVER THEM?
11:53:20 AND THE PERSON IS ACCOUNTABLE TO US?
11:53:23 THE QUESTION IS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT
11:53:26 THEY ARE FOCUSED AND HOPEFULLY IT WOULD SAVE THE TIME OF
11:53:29 THE OTHER STAFF, BECAUSE WE WOULD INTERFACE WITH THAT
11:53:31 PERSON, AND WE WHO WOULD HOLD THE CITY CONTRACT
11:53:34 ACCOUNTABLE.
11:53:35 AND THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS TO COMPLETELY BRING ALL OF
11:53:38 IT INTO THE CRA AND CREATE OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:53:41 AS MY COLLEAGUE NEXT TO ME MENTIONED THERE'S SOME HR
11:53:44 REASONS AND PURCHASING REASONS WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT,
11:53:47 AND SO WHY WOULD WE TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM ONE HAT TO
11:53:51 GIVE TO THE OTHER?
11:53:52 BUT HAVING AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SHOWS THAT WE HAVE
11:53:59 SOMEBODY WHO IS REPORTING DIRECTLY TO US AND THAT THEY
11:54:01 ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO US.
11:54:02 AND THE OTHER CHOICES THAT WE OFFICIALLY OUTSOURCE THE
11:54:05 WHOLE THING TO THE CITY, WE ABDICATE OUR AUTHORITY AND WE
11:54:10 SAY WE DON'T NEED TO OVERSEE THIS ANYMORE.
11:54:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST REAL QUICK.
11:54:17 IN PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, AND WHEN I WAS CHAIR OF THE CRA,
11:54:20 WE JUST DIDN'T FLEX OUR MUSCLE.
11:54:22 THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
11:54:23 AND GOING BACK TO THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE WHEN
11:54:25 COUNCILWOMAN SAUL-SENA WAS HERE, WE REALIZE HOW HOURLY WE
11:54:32 ARE AS A CRA BOARD.
11:54:33 AND I REMEMBER ONE INSTANCE, IT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER
11:54:36 REDDICK, THE ADMINISTRATION WAS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING, HE
11:54:40 MADE A MOTION AND THE BOARD APPROVED IT AND IT WASN'T
11:54:43 ANYTHING MAJOR, BUT STILL WE WERE ABLE TO PUSH BACK TO A
11:54:46 CERTAIN DEGREE.
11:54:47 SO THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE IN THAT.
11:54:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:54:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:54:55 IT'S JUST THE CRA, ALL WE TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW ARE THE
11:55:01 NEGATIVES.
11:55:03 DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME FROM THE CRAs WERE FIRST STARTED
11:55:06 FROM TRUE, FOUR, WHENEVER THEY WERE, THE FIRST ONE AND
11:55:09 SECOND ONE AND SO FORTH, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN FAILURES,
11:55:12 THAT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED NOWHERE, THAT NOTHING HAPPENED
11:55:15 IN EAST TAMPA, OR NOTHING HAPPENED IN CHANNELSIDE,
11:55:18 NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN DOWNTOWN, NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN
11:55:20 DREW PARK?
11:55:21 WHAT THE HELL DO WE HAVE THEM FOR?
11:55:24 CAN YOU TELL ME WE HAVE BEEN FAILURES?
11:55:27 IF WE HAVE, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO BE A FAILURE.
11:55:32 WE HAVE THE SAME LAST VOTE.
11:55:35 NO ONE, IF I ACCUSE SOMEONE OF FALL FEES ANSWER OR
11:55:40 WHATEVER, I FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT.
11:55:41 HAS ANYBODY BEEN CHARGED ON ANYTHING?
11:55:44 HAS ANYTHING BEEN MISSING? HAS THE MONEY DISAPPEARED
11:55:47 WITHOUT NOTHING HAPPENING?
11:55:49 ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
11:55:57 NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN?
11:55:59 NOTHING HAS HAPPENED IN, WHAT, EIGHT, NINE, SEVEN OR
11:56:03 EIGHT, NINE CRAs?
11:56:06 NOTHING HAS HAPPENED?
11:56:08 THEN WE HAVE BEEN ROBBED.
11:56:13 THE CRA BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL IF NOTHING
11:56:17 HAPPENED, THE MONEY DISAPPEARED.
11:56:19 I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
11:56:23 JUST LOOK AT THE CITY WHAT IT WAS THEN, AND LOOK AT THE
11:56:26 CITY WHERE THEY ARE AT NOW, AND ALTHOUGH IT'S BEEN, IN MY
11:56:29 OPINION, SUCCESSFUL, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT I WILL NOT
11:56:32 CREATE ANOTHER CRA.
11:56:37 IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THAT.
11:56:38 IT'S BECAUSE AS MY COLLEAGUE, MR. CARLSON SAYS, BECAUSE
11:56:41 THE MONEY IS TAKEN OUT OF GENERAL FUND, AND PEOPLE THAT
11:56:44 DON'T HAVE A CRA ARE PAYING FOR SOME OF THE ENTITIES
11:56:47 WITHOUT GETTING ANY BENEFITS.
11:56:50 AND YOU HAVE TO SPREAD THE MONEY EVENLY.
11:56:53 AND WHEN YOU CAP IT SOMETHING -- AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO
11:56:56 BACK TO SPORTS, BUT WHAT DO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BE?
11:56:59 I WANT THE BALLPARK BUT I WANT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
11:57:02 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
11:57:03 A CRA OR NOT?
11:57:05 JUST ANOTHER NAME.
11:57:07 THEY WANT TO STEEL YOUR MONEY.
11:57:08 SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
11:57:10 WHAT ARE WE RUNNING A WAY FROM?
11:57:13 OURSELVES?
11:57:15 IF I AM GOING TO FALL, I AM GOING TO FALL BY MYSELF.
11:57:18 I DON'T NEED ANY HELP P.I SURE AS HELM GOING TO TRY TO
11:57:22 GET UP. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY VIEW.
11:57:24 THANK YOU.
11:57:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: A STATEMENT BY MS. VAN LOAN AND THEN WRAP
11:57:34 THIS UP.
11:57:34 PLEASE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:57:36 >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MICHELLE, I NOTICED MR.
11:57:42 BENNETT IS BACK REVISITING WITH US AND I AM JUST
11:57:46 WONDERING, JOHN, IF YOU HAD ANY TIME TO WORK ON THIS
11:57:52 CONCEPT, IF THE ADMINISTRATION, AS OUR CURRENT VENDOR --
11:57:58 I AM JUST KIDDING -- AS OUR PARTNER IN THIS, IF YOU HAVE
11:58:05 HAD NIP CHANCE TO COME UP WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS
11:58:07 OF RECONFIGURING THIS DIRECTOR ISSUE.
11:58:13 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:58:16 THANK YOU FOR THE WELCOME BACK.
11:58:19 SO WE HAVE.
11:58:20 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:58:23 YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF FOCUS ON SOME OF THE
11:58:26 COMMENTS ABOUT BOARD MEMBER MANISCALCO TALKED ABOUT,
11:58:29 ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT POWER IN CONJUNCTION
11:58:34 WITH AN EXCLUSIVE DIRECTOR WORKING ON THE CRA WITH THE
11:58:38 MANAGERS.
11:58:40 HOWEVER, WE DO SAY THAT AS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE
11:58:43 ADMINISTRATION, AND I HEARD THE COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
11:58:46 HAD ONCE WE HIRE SOMEBODY THAT REPLACED MR. MCDONAUGH IN
11:58:50 THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE
11:58:54 THERE WAS A TONE OF RISK AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE
11:58:57 ADMINISTRATION IS OFFERING.
11:58:58 THE ADMINISTRATION IS OFFERING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO
11:59:00 BE INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION PROCESS, FOR YOU AS THE CRA
11:59:03 BOARD TO BE INVOLVED IN THE SCOPE OF THE POSITION.
11:59:06 WE HAVE ALREADY SECURED TWO RECRUITING FIRMS THAT CAN
11:59:10 RECRUIT NOT ONLY NATIONALLY BUT POTENTIALLY
11:59:13 INTERNATIONALLY IF WE HAVE TO.
11:59:15 WE WANT TO GET THE BEST EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO SERVE THIS
11:59:18 BOARD AND GET THE OUTCOMES THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
11:59:22 ABOUT, AT LEAST IN THE TWO MEETINGS AND NOW THIS WORKSHOP
11:59:25 THAT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN.
11:59:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JOHN, CAN I JUMP IN REAL QUICK?
11:59:29 >>JOHN BENNETT: SURE.
11:59:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STRUCTURALLY, I KNOW YOU WERE OUT FOR
11:59:33 A LITTLE WHILE, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS IN
11:59:35 TERMS OF IS THIS TWO PEOPLE WITH TWO DIFFERENT JOBS,
11:59:41 OKAY?
11:59:41 OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT AS ONE PERSON WITH TWO DIFFERENT
11:59:45 JOBS, WHICH IS HOW IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST?
11:59:48 >>JOHN BENNETT: MAYBE I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING TWO
11:59:50 DIFFERENT JOBS.
11:59:51 THIS IS A SINGLE --
11:59:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEAN TWO DIFFERENT JOBS, CRA,
11:59:55 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
11:59:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, NO.
11:59:58 STRICTLY FOCUSED ON THE CRA.
12:00:00 ONE PERSON, ONE FOCUS ON THE CRA WORKING WITH THIS BOARD
12:00:04 TO WORK WITH THE MANAGERS, TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS AND
12:00:06 OBJECTIVES OF ALL CRAs, ALL CRPs AND CAC.
12:00:12 >> THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS A DIFFERENT PERSON.
12:00:16 >>JOHN BENNETT: COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON, OBVIOUSLY
12:00:18 WORKING COLLABORATIVELY WITH THIS DIRECTOR, BUT ALLOWING
12:00:21 THE PARTNERSHIP TO OCCUR ORGANICALLY WITHIN BOTH THE
12:00:26 ADMINISTRATION AND THE CRA BOARD FOR THE BEST OUTCOMES.
12:00:29 I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO
12:00:32 BE FOCUSED ON HIRING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPER THAT
12:00:35 UNDERSTANDS THE UNDERTONES OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN
12:00:37 MENTIONED IN HERE STARTING WITH ALL OF THE THINGS WE ARE
12:00:41 TRYING TO FIX.
12:00:41 I CAN GO FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALL THE WAY ON.
12:00:44 WE WANT TO SEE -- THAT'S WHY THE ADMINISTRATION IS HERE,
12:00:47 TO SUPPORT THE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE FROM YOUR
12:00:52 EFFORTS AS THE CRA BOARD, THE CACs, THE PUBLIC AND OF
12:00:55 COURSE THE ADMINISTRATION.
12:00:57 WE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS.
12:00:59 WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE SCOPE FROM YOU FOR THIS
12:01:04 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR POSITION AND WORK ON A RECRUITING
12:01:06 PROCESS AND THE SELECTION PROCESS THAT ENGAGES THE CRA
12:01:09 BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT CHEMISTRY TO
12:01:12 WORK EXCLUSIVELY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, SOLE FOCUS, AND YET
12:01:17 IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEXT ECONOMIC DEVELOPER THAT THE
12:01:19 CITY HIRES.
12:01:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, JOHN.
12:01:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE GOING TO FINISH THIS WORKSHOP
12:01:26 SOMETIME TODAY.
12:01:26 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:01:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT, I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK
12:01:33 YOU HAVE BEEN DOING.
12:01:36 THE ISSUES WE TALKED ABOUT, SO I'M HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT YOU
12:01:39 ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF ISSUES, WE TALKED
12:01:42 ABOUT OUR CRAs, WE TALKED ABOUT THE EAST TAMPA CRA, AND
12:01:46 WE BROUGHT THOSE UP AT THAT MEETING.
12:01:48 SO I LIKE THE TONE THAT MR. VIERA WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE
12:01:52 SUGGESTIONS I MADE, THAT YOU ALL HAVE MADE, AND THE
12:01:55 PROBLEMS THAT WE TALKING ABOUT. SO I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
12:01:58 SO SAYING THAT, GENTLEMEN, I THINK IT'S KIND OF IN LINE
12:02:02 WITH WHAT I BELIEVE MOST OF THE BOARD IS LOOKING AT DOING
12:02:04 ESPECIALLY WHEN I SAY SERVING TWO MASTERS, YOU KNOW, YOU
12:02:07 HAVE GOT SOMEBODY WHO IS DEDICATED TO THAT, IS
12:02:10 COLLABORATING WITH THE OTHER PARTY, MAKING EVERYTHING
12:02:12 WORK.
12:02:13 SO I THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH THE MAYOR AND THE IDEAS
12:02:17 THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT.
12:02:19 >>JOHN BENNETT: ABSOLUTELY.
12:02:21 >>BILL CARLSON: A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS.
12:02:23 ONE, A FORMER CFO WHEN SHE PRESENTED SHOWED US THAT TAMPA
12:02:27 IS LAGGING IN THE STATE ECONOMICALLY.
12:02:30 AND I SHOWED SOME OF THOSE SLIDES THE OTHER DAY.
12:02:32 OUR PROPERTY RATE IS REALLY HEY.
12:02:34 WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND WE DO THAT BY
12:02:37 DIVERSIFYING OUR ECONOMY P.I ASKED HER WHY TAMPA WAS
12:02:40 LAGGING, AND SHE SAID BECAUSE OUR ECONOMY IS NOT AS
12:02:42 DIVERSE AS OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE.
12:02:45 A LOT OF OUR ECONOMY IS BASED ON GROWTH WHICH IS PEOPLE
12:02:49 MOVING TO THE AREA, BUYING HOMES, AND COMPANIES MOVE
12:02:53 THERE.
12:02:53 WE HAVE TO DIVERSIFY AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF POVERTY.
12:02:56 SO WE HAVE TWO FULL TIME PEOPLE.
12:02:57 THEY STILL WON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ADDRESS ALL THE
12:03:00 ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
12:03:01 THE LAST THING IS THAT WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THIS IDEA IN
12:03:04 THE BEGINNING, ONE.
12:03:06 THINGS I SUGGESTED WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE COULD MAKE THE
12:03:10 DECISION ON THE CRA PERSON OURSELVES, CHIEF, AND THE
12:03:16 MAYOR SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE
12:03:20 WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN GET ALONG WITH EVERYONE.
12:03:25 INTERVIEW THEM, AND IDEALLY IF WE GET THE ECONOMIC
12:03:28 DEVELOPMENT PERSON THAT PERSON.
12:03:29 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S COLLABORATION WITH
12:03:31 EVERYBODY.
12:03:32 THANK YOU.
12:03:34 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
12:03:35 AGAIN, WHEN WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS PERSPECTIVE
12:03:38 POSITION BY A CRA, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS I WANT TO
12:03:41 EXPLORE SUCH AS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE I SAID, WHAT ARE OTHER
12:03:45 SIMILARLY SIZED CITIES DO?
12:03:46 I WANT TO LOOK AT THAT.
12:03:47 AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT
12:03:50 HAVING AN ANSWER IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM OR WHATEVER, BUT
12:03:55 YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY.
12:03:57 AND WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT HAVING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPER,
12:04:02 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HEAD, ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED
12:04:04 ABOUT WAS NUMBER ONE, MAKE SURE IT'S SOMEBODY WHO IS A
12:04:07 DIVERSE HIRE.
12:04:08 I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY
12:04:10 IMPORTANT, LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS,
12:04:13 ET CETERA, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL WILL.
12:04:15 NUMBER TWO, HAVING SOMEBODY THAT CAN WORK WITH THE CRA
12:04:18 BOARD, CITY COUNCIL, ET CETERA, WHO IS WILLING TO ENGAGE,
12:04:21 SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO GET SUPPORT. I WHAT YOU WANT
12:04:23 SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE BY EVERY SINGLE
12:04:27 MEMBER HERE, AS SOMEBODY THAT WE CAN ALL WORK WITH, ON
12:04:30 ALL ISSUES, AND THEN SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE
12:04:32 COMMUNITY MINDED WHO IS GOING TO GO TO THESE MEETINGS, GO
12:04:34 TO COMMITTEE MEETINGS WITH HIS OR HER SLEEVES ROLLED UP,
12:04:38 READY TO ENGAGE FOLKS ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
12:04:41 SO I THINK AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS ISSUE HERE, HAVING A
12:04:46 CRA DIRECTOR, IF YOU WILL, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS
12:04:50 THAT STILL NEED TO BE ANSWERED. THERE'S A LOT OF
12:04:52 DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT NEED TO GO FORWARD ON THIS. AGAIN
12:04:55 I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA.
12:04:56 I'M PERSPECTIVELY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
12:04:58 THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE ANSWERED IN MY
12:05:01 OPINION.
12:05:02 AND I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ARE
12:05:04 TALKING ABOUT WITH AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I THINK
12:05:07 THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS.
12:05:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, SOMETHING YOU JUST TOUCHED
12:05:16 ON, MR. VIERA.
12:05:19 AND CHIEF, I WANT YOU TO KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AS WELL.
12:05:22 AND TO THE MANAGERS.
12:05:25 AS A COUNCILMAN, I GO THROUGH TONS OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS,
12:05:29 TONS OF THEM.
12:05:30 AND I THINK THIS NEW PERSON, AND OUR MANAGERS NOW, NEED
12:05:35 TO BE GOING TO SOME OF THESE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
12:05:38 MEETINGS SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY HEAR.
12:05:40 YOU CAN HAVE A CAC BOARD, BUT IT IT'S A MIXTURE OF ALL
12:05:47 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.
12:05:47 I JUST BELIEVE THOSE MANAGERS NEED TO BE GOING OUT.
12:05:50 AND I DON'T WANT US TO PUT EXTRA WORK ON THEM AND WHAT
12:05:53 HAVE YOU, BUT TO REALLY GET A GAUGE OF THE PULSE OF THE
12:05:56 PEOPLE.
12:05:56 WE NEED TO GO TO THOSE MEETINGS AND LISTEN TO THOSE FOLKS
12:06:01 WHO DO COME TO THE ASSOCIATIONS.
12:06:03 I LOOK AT JACKSON HOUSE ASSOCIATION; I LOOK AT A FEW
12:06:07 OTHERS THAT HAVE A GOOD GROUP BUT GO TO A CAC PARTNERSHIP
12:06:13 MEETING, BECAUSE, NOW, THEY ARE ULTIMATELY -- THEY HAVE
12:06:17 JOBS AND WORK BUT THEY DON'T GO TO THEIR OWN MEETING.
12:06:21 SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT
12:06:23 ALL THE PEOPLE SAY.
12:06:24 THAT WAY THEY CAN ENGAGE THOSE MEETINGS AFTER TALKING AT
12:06:27 THE CAY BOARD MEETING TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE HEARING, WHAT
12:06:30 THE BOARD IS HEARING AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS, SO I DON'T
12:06:34 KNOW WHAT IF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WE DON'T GET
12:06:37 THESE KIND OF CONFLICTS.
12:06:39 BUT WE ALL HEAR A BASE OF WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE TALKING
12:06:41 ABOUT.
12:06:42 THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S VERY
12:06:44 CRUCIAL GOING FORWARD.
12:06:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURELY, GO AHEAD.
12:06:50 >>LUIS VIERA: I APPRECIATE THAT. TO BOUNCE OFF MY
12:06:52 COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN GUDES' POINT, WHEN I TALK ABOUT
12:06:56 COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE SO IMPORTANT IN MY THREE YEARS OF
12:07:00 CITY COUNCIL, I HAVE BEEN TO 16, 17 TOWN HALL, 100%
12:07:04 ROLLING YOUR SLEEVES UP AND BEING PART OF THE COMMUNITY
12:07:07 AND WHOEVER THIS INDIVIDUAL IS.
12:07:09 I CAN'T PICTURE THEM WITH THEIR SLEEVES ROLLED UP IN A
12:07:12 LARGE ROOM OF 60 PEOPLE MAYBE A THIRD OF WHOM AREN'T
12:07:16 HAPPY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, THEN THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE
12:07:19 MY PERSON BECAUSE US NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS WILLING TO TAKE
12:07:21 THE HEAT AND RUN TO THE HEAT.
12:07:23 THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR MYSELF.
12:07:25 SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY I MENTION THAT.
12:07:26 >>JOHN BENNETT: I THINK IF I COULD REAL QUICK.
12:07:31 I OPENED UP EARLIER.
12:07:32 I KNOW IT WAS EARLY.
12:07:33 BUT THOSE FOUR CORNER STONES OF PEOPLE AND PERSONNEL.
12:07:37 PERSONNEL NEED TO BE WITH THE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
12:07:39 THE PEOPLE WANT IN ALL DIFFERENT FACETS.
12:07:41 I GREW UP IN THE SAME LANE OF TAKING EVERYTHING TO THE
12:07:44 FIELD IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:07:46 ONE OF THE MAYOR'S OBJECTIVES, THAT WE SUPPORTED THE
12:07:49 INITIATIVE THE OTHER DAY, WAS TO BRING GOVERNMENT TO THE
12:07:52 PEOPLE, NOT TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE GOVERNMENT.
12:07:54 SO WE ARE TALKING THE SAME LANGUAGE HERE, SPECIFICALLY.
12:07:57 BUFF THE ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS WE LAND ON
12:08:01 A CRA DIRECTOR SCOPE AND MODEL, WHEN THAT PERSON, HER OR
12:08:05 HIM, TURNS AROUND, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE NEVADA THE
12:08:08 SUPPORT OF THE CITY NETWORK TO GET THE JOB DONE, BECAUSE
12:08:11 THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL.
12:08:13 AND MY CONCERN IS THEY NEED ALL OF THE CITY HORSEPOWER,
12:08:17 ALL OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, WHICH IS KIND OF THE MODEL
12:08:20 THAT WE ENJOY NOW.
12:08:21 THE PART THAT I AM TRYING TO PUT OVER THE TABLE IS THE
12:08:23 INCLUSIVE PART OF THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET BOTH
12:08:28 COMPETENCY AND CHEMISTRY BASED ON WHERE WE THINK WANT TO
12:08:31 GO AND MOVE ON THE STATUS QUO WHICH IS WHAT THIS
12:08:34 ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO NOW FOR THE FIRST
12:08:36 FIVE MONTHS IN ITS EXISTENCE.
12:08:38 SO WE HAVE HEARD THAT.
12:08:39 THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.
12:08:41 SAME THING FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
12:08:44 OVER EVERYTHING WE WANT THAT TO BE ANOTHER DOVETAIL TO
12:08:47 EVERYTHING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
12:08:48 SO WE ARE 100% SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE.
12:08:51 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR
12:08:54 EXECUTION, WHEN THAT DIRECTOR DOES THE BEST OF ALL THOSE
12:08:57 FOUR CORNER STONES, WORKS WITH THE PEOPLE, WORKS WITH THE
12:08:59 POLICYMAKERS, THAT THEY CAN TURN AROUND WITH THE SUPPORT
12:09:02 OF THE CITY PERSONNEL AND ACTUALLY DELIVER THE OUTCOMES.
12:09:05 AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS EQUATION.
12:09:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND
12:09:16 MAYBE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A HYBRID, BECAUSE ON ONE
12:09:19 HAND, SEVERAL OF US INCLUDING MR. CARLSON, I THINK MR.
12:09:22 GUDES, HAVE FELT VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HOW DOES THIS
12:09:26 PERSON, NOW THAT I THINK WE HAVE REFINED IT A LITTLE BIT,
12:09:30 THE CRA MANAGER, KIND OF ANSWERS TO TWO MASTERS, OR CAN
12:09:36 THEY ANSWER TO TWO MASTERS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
12:09:38 AND I THINK PERHAPS WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF LEGAL
12:09:44 RESEARCH.
12:09:45 AND I WHISPERED TO MS. ZELMAN A SECOND AGO IN TERMS OF
12:09:49 SAYING PERHAPS WE CONTINUE STRUCTURALLY TO ALLOW THAT
12:09:55 PERSON TO BE PART OF CITY STAFF, TO BE PAID ON CITY
12:09:58 PAYROLL, ET CETERA.
12:10:00 OBVIOUSLY, THE MONEY ORIGINATES FROM CRA, BUT, YOU KNOW,
12:10:05 LEAVE IT CHANNELED THROUGH THE CITY PAYROLL, BUT WITHIN
12:10:15 OUR CONTRACT, WITHIN OUR SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY,
12:10:18 IT WOULD SAY THAT THAT PERSON WOULD ONLY BE OFFERED THAT
12:10:25 JOB IF THAT PERSON HAD A MINIMUM OF FIVE VOTES FROM THIS
12:10:29 BODY, AND IF THAT PERSON DOESN'T, AT SOME POINT IN TIME,
12:10:36 WE LOSE FAITH IN THAT PERSON WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE
12:10:40 VOTES, THAT WE COULD RECOMMEND THAT DISMISSAL OF THAT
12:10:43 PERSON.
12:10:44 SO ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WE DON'T INTRUDE, WE ARE NOT
12:10:47 ALLOWED TO INTRUDE INTO THE HIRING AND FARING THAT GOES
12:10:50 ON NEXT DOOR, BECAUSE THE CHARTER DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
12:10:54 BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SERVICE AGREEMENT -- AND I DON'T
12:10:58 THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, I DON'T THINK MS. ZELMAN
12:11:02 DOES BECAUSE I JUST POPPED IT UP ON HER.
12:11:05 BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A SERVICE AGREEMENT MAYBE WE CAN
12:11:08 INTRUDE A LITTLE BIT INTO THE HIRING AND FIRING OF THAT
12:11:12 POSITION.
12:11:13 ARE YOU FOLLOWING WHERE I AM GOING?
12:11:15 >>JOHN BENNETT: 100% FOLLOWING WHERE YOU ARE GOING.
12:11:17 FIRST OF ALL, THIS LEVEL OF POSITION FROM AN HR POINT OF
12:11:20 VIEW IS GOING TO BE AN AT-WELL POSITION. THIS IS NOT
12:11:25 SOMEBODY IN THE SOLE SERVICE AND PROTECTION SIDE. THEY
12:11:27 ARE GOING TO BE AT-WELL.
12:11:28 SO I CAN'T IMAGINE FOR A MINUTE -- I AM JUST GOING TO GO
12:11:31 GRASSROOTS HERE -- THAT IF SOMEBODY THAT YOU HAVE
12:11:34 INCLUDED IN THE SELECTION PROCESS, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU
12:11:37 ARE FAVORABLY ASKING FOR THIS DIRECTOR TO BE PART OF THIS
12:11:40 TEAM AND THIS CRA BOARD, IS UNDERPERFORMING AT SOME
12:11:42 POINTED, THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION IS NOT GOING TO
12:11:45 WANT TO SUPPORT THE BOARD IN THAT REPLACEMENT OR SOME
12:11:49 OTHER PERFORMANCE PLAN, BECAUSE WE ALL WANT THE SAME
12:11:53 OUTCOMES, BUT AS FAR AS OVERSIGHT AND GETTING THE HORSE
12:11:58 POW OAR OF THE CITY BEHIND THAT DIRECTOR TO GET THOSE
12:12:00 THINGS DONE IN THE FIELD, THAT'S A CRA BOARD VOTES UPON
12:12:04 THROUGH THE PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT,
12:12:07 THAT'S THE ENERGETICS THAT I AM TRYING TO MAKE SURE
12:12:09 HAPPENS FOR THE CRA BOARD.
12:12:11 BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO -- AND AGAIN, IF IT
12:12:14 REQUIRES LEGALESE, THEN THAT'S FINE, WE CAN EXPLORE IT.
12:12:17 BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE SPIRIT OF THE ADMINISTRATION,
12:12:20 THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HIRE SOMEBODY IN A VACUUM
12:12:24 AND PROTECT THEM IN A VACUUM IF IT'S NOT DELIVERING THE
12:12:27 CRA BOARD'S OUTCOMES, MOST IMPORTANTLY THE COMMUNITY
12:12:31 OUTCOMES.
12:12:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
12:12:34 QUICKLY, MR. CHAIR.
12:12:35 I AGREE WITH YOU PHILOSOPHICALLY IN A HOPEFUL WAY, BUT
12:12:40 WHAT I AM LOOKING TO DO IS COLD I IF I SOMETHING, IF
12:12:43 POSSIBLE, IF LEGALLY POSSIBLE, TO CODIFY SOMETHING THAT
12:12:49 WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE AND ALWAYS REMIND THAT PERSON THAT
12:12:53 IF FIVE MEMBERS -- AND I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE, COULD
12:12:56 BE FOUR OR SIX -- BUT IF FIVE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY IS NOT
12:13:00 HAPPY, THEN THEY COULD BE HEADED OUT THE DOOR REAL QUICK.
12:13:04 AND THEN THAT WAY, IT'S A REGULAR REMINDER OF WHO THEY
12:13:10 ANSWER TO.
12:13:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:13:17 AND THEN I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE REAL PERSON THAT'S
12:13:19 HERE, MS. MICHELLE VAN LOAN.
12:13:22 I THINK SHE'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ANSWERS TO THE
12:13:24 QUESTIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
12:13:27 COUNCILMAN GUDES, GO AHEAD.
12:13:28 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:13:35 I THINK SHE'S GOT THE ANSWERS, THE MAJORITY OF THE
12:13:37 ANSWERS, NOT ALL.
12:13:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
12:13:43 IF IT'S A CITY HIRE, THEY STILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITH
12:13:47 BOTH.
12:13:48 YOU ARE SAYING WE CAN IMPLEMENT SOMETHING INTO THE
12:13:51 CONTRACT.
12:13:52 BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS ALSO DOING CITY ECONOMIC BUSINESS.
12:13:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
12:13:58 NO.
12:13:59 I THINK WE GOT PAST THAT HURDLE.
12:14:02 JUST A CRA MANAGER.
12:14:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, OKAY.
12:14:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY POINT IS IN TERMS OF HIRING, THAT
12:14:10 WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE AT LEAST A FIVE-MEMBER BLESSING TO
12:14:14 THAT HIRE.
12:14:15 THEY CAN BRING THE RECOMMENDATION.
12:14:18 BUTT THAT PERSON WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET OVER THAT
12:14:20 FIVE-VOTE HIRE.
12:14:22 AND AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD SAY THEY LOVE THAT PERSON
12:14:26 BUT WE ARE NOT LOVING THAT PERSON SO MUCH, ALL OF A
12:14:27 SUDDEN WE COME UP WITH FIVE VOTES AND THAT PERSON WOULD
12:14:30 BE, WELL, IT WOULD BE OUR STRONG RECOMMENDATION, I GUESS,
12:14:34 THAT THAT PERSON WOULD HIT THE ROAD.
12:14:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
12:14:37 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND THEN GET
12:14:42 BACK TO MICHELLE.
12:14:43 THE FIRST THING I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ESPECIALLY WEARING
12:14:45 TWO EXECUTIVE GOVERNMENT HATS IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, AS
12:14:50 YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY COMMISSION HIRES THE COUNTY
12:14:53 ADMINISTRATOR TO RUN THE COUNTY.
12:14:55 AND QUITE OFTEN WHEN THOSE POSITIONS COME WITH THOSE KIND
12:14:58 OF RISK FACTORS, THEY USUALLY INCLUDE THINGS IN KIND OF A
12:15:02 CONTRACT SCENARIO THAT ARE NOT THE SAME, THAT WHEN YOU
12:15:05 HIRE A REGULAR DIRECTOR OR EVEN ACHIEVE OF STAFF, THEY
12:15:08 DON'T ENJOY THOSE CONTRACTUAL OUTINGS, IF YOU WILL.
12:15:12 SO THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP IN THE BACK
12:15:14 OF YOUR MIND IF THAT'S THE CONCEPT, THAT PERSON HIM OR
12:15:17 HER COMING IN ARE GOING TO FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENT LEVEL
12:15:20 OF RISK, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE
12:15:23 DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT YOU TRADITIONALLY HAVE DONE WITH
12:15:26 CITY HIRES.
12:15:27 I WANT TO MAKE SURE I POINT THAT OUT.
12:15:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHIEF OF
12:15:32 STAFF JUST SAID, IN A VERY POLITE WAY.
12:15:36 HE SAID IT TO YOU VERY POLITELY IN NICE WORDS AND I AM
12:15:39 GOING TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU.
12:15:40 THAT PERSON HAS NO BENEFIT FROM THE CITY, IN A RETIREMENT
12:15:44 FROM THE CITY, RIGHT SO FAR?
12:15:47 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SET UP YOUR OWN RETIREMENT PLAN.
12:15:49 YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SET UP YOUR -- THAT PERSON CAN'T
12:15:53 RETIRE FROM CITY.
12:15:54 HE'S NOT A CITY EMPLOYEE.
12:15:56 >>JOHN BENNETT: WELL, THE SCOPE I THINK WE ARE LOOKING
12:15:58 AT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IS THIS HYBRID SCENARIO
12:16:02 SUGGESTED, THE QUAY I'M UNDERSTANDING, WE WOULD, WITH THE
12:16:05 SELECTION PROCESS, BEING PART OF THE CRA BOARD, THE
12:16:09 INCLUSION OF THE SCOPE AND EVERYTHING, THE CITY WOULD
12:16:12 STILL HIRE THAT PERSON, THEY WOULD BE A CITY DIRECTOR,
12:16:14 BUT EXCLUSIVELY WORKING ON CRA ITEMS WITH IF CRA BOARD
12:16:19 AND OVERSEEING THE MANAGERS.
12:16:21 HOWEVER, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF SUGGESTION
12:16:25 THAT A VOTE FROM COUNCIL CAN REMOVE THEM OUT OF POSITION,
12:16:29 THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, I JUST WANT TO BRING UP A
12:16:32 PARALLEL UNIVERSE, THAT THAT PERSON MAY FEEL AN
12:16:35 INCREDIBLE LEVEL OF RISK WORKING FOR SEVEN FOLKS WITH A
12:16:39 VOTE, AND IT JUST MAY INVOKE IT, AND THERE'S FOLKS OUT
12:16:43 THERE THAT DO THIS.
12:16:44 BUT I AM LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS COMING IN WITH THE
12:16:47 HEART AND SOUL OF BOTH THE CRA BOARD AND WORKING WITH THE
12:16:51 ADMINISTRATION MOST IMPORTANTLY IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT IS
12:16:53 NOT GOING TO PUT US AT THAT KIND OF RISK AND GOING TO GET
12:16:56 THE JOB DONE.
12:16:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOD FORBID WE HAVE TO GET HR.
12:17:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MIRANDA SO THAT AMERICAN IS GOING TO
12:17:04 BE A CITY EMPLOYEE?
12:17:06 >>JOHN BENNETT: YES.
12:17:07 AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY I'M PROPOSING.
12:17:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I COULD BE WRONG.
12:17:13 THEY WANTED TO BREAK AWAY, BE THEIR OWN, EXECUTIVE
12:17:16 DIRECTOR.
12:17:16 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF THAT'S THE CASE YOU ARE EXACTLY
12:17:19 RIGHT.
12:17:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT SURE WHAT I WANT.
12:17:22 I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HEARD EARLIER.
12:17:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN IS GOING TO GIVE US SOME
12:17:29 INFORMATION.
12:17:33 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT SHOULD BE A CITY EMPLOYEE PAID
12:17:35 OUT OF THE HR CITY COUNCIL BUDGET JUST LIKE THE AIDES AND
12:17:38 MARTY ARE PAID.
12:17:39 THAT WAY IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT PERSON REPORTS TO CITY
12:17:42 COUNCIL.
12:17:42 AND IF WE DO IT THAT WAY, THE PERSON IS STILL AN
12:17:45 EMPLOYEE, MAYBE AT AN EXECUTIVE LEVEL BUT THEY ARE STILL
12:17:47 AN EMPLOYEE.
12:17:48 IF IT'S A PERSON THAT IS JUST ADDED TO THE OUTSOURCE LIST
12:17:53 THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER CRA MANAGERS THEN WE ARE
12:17:56 EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE WE ARE NOW, AND WE COULD JUST
12:18:00 REORGANIZE AND DO THE SAME THING.
12:18:02 IT TAKES AWAY MOST OF THE REASON TO CREATE THIS, IN MY
12:18:06 MIND.
12:18:06 I WOULD BE AGAINST THAT.
12:18:08 I AM IN FAVOR OF HAVING IT RUN THROUGH CITY COUNCIL, HR.
12:18:11 >>JOHN BENNETT: JUST SO I AM CLEAR, WE WANT A CITY
12:18:15 COUNCIL EMPLOYEE UNDER THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET TO
12:18:18 SUPERVISE CITY EMPLOYEES AND CITY STAFF.
12:18:23 >>BILL CARLSON: SUPERVISE THE OUTSOURCE CONTRACT BETWEEN
12:18:25 THE CRA AND THE CITY.
12:18:26 >>JOHN BENNETT: WHICH ALSO INCLUDES OVERSEEING --
12:18:30 >>BILL CARLSON: SO THEY ARE NOT DOING THE HIRING AND
12:18:31 FIRING OF EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE NOT DOING ANNUAL REVIEWS OR
12:18:35 ANY OF THAT STUFF.
12:18:35 ALL THEY ARE DOING IS HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOUGHT
12:18:38 STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE CRA.
12:18:39 SO THE CITY STAFF CAN STILL LOOK OVER THAT.
12:18:42 THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS PERSON IS HOLD BEING THEM
12:18:46 ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE RESULTS. IF WE DON'T GET THE
12:18:48 RESULTS, THEN THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WOULD REPORT TO YOU
12:18:53 OR THE MAYOR AND SAY WE ARE NOT GETTING THE RESULTS FROM
12:18:56 OUR OUTSOURCE CONTRACT AND YOU FIX IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO
12:18:59 FIX IT BUT WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE WAY IT'S WORKING
12:19:01 RIGHT NOW.
12:19:03 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WHEN THE CITY
12:19:04 COUNCIL DECIDED TO HAVE ITS OWN CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY IN
12:19:09 THE FORM OF MARTY SHELBY, THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRED A
12:19:12 CHARTER AMENDMENT.
12:19:14 AND AS YOU WILL RECALL, BECAUSE SOME OF US WERE ON THE
12:19:17 CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE TOGETHER, IT ALSO REQUIRED A
12:19:21 CHARTER AMENDMENT TO CREATE -- I BELIEVE WE ADD LANGUAGE
12:19:26 GIVING DISCOUNT MEMBERS MORE DROLL OVER THE HIRING AND
12:19:30 FIRING OF THEIR AIDES.
12:19:31 SOCIETY I'M CONCERNED WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING MIGHT
12:19:33 VENTURE INTO TERRITORY THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHARTER
12:19:36 AMENDMENT FOR THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ITSELF TO BE PAYING
12:19:41 FOR THE CRA DIRECTOR.
12:19:43 SO I JUST WANT TO --
12:19:46 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE THE ATTORNEY AND YOU MAY REMEMBER
12:19:48 BETTER THAN I.
12:19:49 BUT THE WAY I REMEMBER IT WAS STAFF, NOT JUST LEGISLATIVE
12:19:51 AIDES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO -- CITY COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO
12:19:54 HIRE THEIR OWN STAFF.
12:19:55 BUT WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT FROM A CHARTER POINT OF VIEW.
12:19:58 THE POINT TO ME, IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS POSITION REPORTS TO
12:20:01 THE CRA BOARD AND NO ONE ELSE.
12:20:03 >>JOHN BENNETT: AND I THINK WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE WANT
12:20:08 THEM SINGLE FOCUS, SINGLE FUNCTION WITH THE INCLUSION AND
12:20:11 THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAN THE CRA BOARD BUT WORKING
12:20:16 OBVIOUSLY WITH CITY STAFF TO GET THE OUTCOMES.
12:20:18 BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS THAT PERSON HAS BEEN
12:20:20 HIRED TO TURN AROUND AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE SAME
12:20:23 LEVEL OF SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED AS IF THEY WERE A CITY
12:20:26 DIRECTOR.
12:20:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
12:20:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, CAN WE HEAR FROM MS. VAN LOAN?
12:20:39 SHE DOESN'T WANT TO COME UP HERE.
12:20:40 SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DISCUSS THIS. BUT MS. VAN LOAN, I
12:20:43 BELIEVE, HAS SOME OPTIONS FOR US.
12:20:49 SHE'S STILL SHAKING HER HEAD NO.
12:20:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WAITING TO GET MS. VAN LOAN UP.
12:21:00 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:21:06 >>Michelle Van Loan: I APOLOGIZE.
12:21:09 THE BUCK STOP HERE WITH THE DECISION MAKING AND
12:21:12 RECOMMENDATION.
12:21:12 >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH
12:21:21 ADMINISTRATION.
12:21:22 WE HEARD THE NEED.
12:21:23 WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR CHANGE
12:21:25 MANAGEMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD -- AND I HEARD
12:21:30 WHAT FORMER COUNCILMAN SAUL-SENA SAID, AND I AGREE, THAT
12:21:34 IT'S TIME TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, MOSTLY TO GET THE
12:21:37 OUTCOMES.
12:21:37 WE NEED TO GET THE OUTCOMES IN THE COMMUNITIES.
12:21:40 I GREW UP WITH THAT PASSION HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
12:21:42 MOST OF YOU HAVE DONE IT THAT LONG OR LONGER.
12:21:44 IT'S TIME TO MAKE THOSE DIFFERENCES.
12:21:46 IT'S GOING TO START WITH THAT LEADER.
12:21:48 IT'S GOING TO START WITH PICKING THE RIGHT PERSON
12:21:51 COLLECTIVELY, AND THEN GETTING THE HORSEPOWER WITH CITY
12:21:53 STAFF, MOST LIT THE COMMUNITY TO GET THIS STUFF DONE IN
12:21:57 THE FIELD.
12:21:57 I AM JUST GOING TO KEEP REITERATING THE SAME THING.
12:22:00 I HAVE SUPERVISED MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN MANY
12:22:02 DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONAL MODELS, AND I AM LOOKING FOR
12:22:05 CHEMISTRY AND COMPETENCY.
12:22:07 AND WHAT I AM AFRAID IS THAT IF THERE IS A FIREWALL
12:22:10 BETWEEN THAT PROCESS, WE SHALL NOT GOING TO GET THOSE
12:22:13 RESULTS.
12:22:13 I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE IT.
12:22:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE 8th
12:22:18 FLOOR?
12:22:19 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN EDITORIAL
12:22:21 COMMENT, NOT A LEGAL COMMENT.
12:22:23 I THINK WE ARE DISCOUNTING THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO WEAR
12:22:28 TWO HATS.
12:22:29 YOU ALL SIT AS A CITY COUNCIL BUT TODAY YOU ARE SITTING
12:22:32 TAKES CRA BOARD.
12:22:34 I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY, BUT I'M THE CRA'S ATTORNEY.
12:22:39 I THINK WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MICHELLE, I THINK THE CRA
12:22:43 IS HER MASTER AND I HAVE SEEN HER WORK ETHIC AND I WAS
12:22:47 WORKING WITH HER ALL DAY YESTERDAY AS WELL, AND I THINK
12:22:51 THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE CRA MANAGERS THAT I HAVE
12:22:55 OBSERVED HERE ON DAY 55 OF MY RETURN TO THE CITY, AND BY
12:23:01 THE SAME TOKEN THIS PERSON YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HIRING
12:23:04 CAN BE A CITY EMPLOYEE, BUT YET SERVE THE CRA AS THEIR
12:23:08 MASTER LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE CRA.
12:23:13 THAT'S MY JOB WHEN I AM SITTING AS CRA ATTORNEY.
12:23:17 THAT'S MICHELLE'S JOB AND ALL THE CRA MANAGERS JOBS AS
12:23:21 THEY WORK.
12:23:21 SO TO SOME EXTENT I THINK WE ARE SPLITTING HAIRS WHEN WE
12:23:25 SAY WHO IS THEIR MASTER.
12:23:26 JUST BECAUSE THEIR SALARY IS PAID FOR BY THE CITY, IF
12:23:29 THEY HAVE BEEN HIRED BY THE CITY TO SERVE THE CRA, THEN
12:23:33 THAT'S THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION.
12:23:35 THAT'S THEIR DUTIES.
12:23:37 I DON'T SEE IT AS HOP IS THEIR MASTER.
12:23:42 AGAIN THAT'S AN EDITORIAL COMMENT BUT IT'S COMING FROM
12:23:45 SOMEONE WHO IS DOING IT RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT.
12:23:47 I'M A CITY EMPLOYEE WHO IS SERVING AS THE CRA ATTORNEY.
12:23:51 WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE BOTH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CRA
12:23:54 BOARD MEMBERS.
12:23:55 GUDES GAUD WITH DUE RESPECT, MS. ZELMAN, YOU ARE THE CITY
12:23:59 ATTORNEY, AND YOUR JOB IN OUR CHARTER, YOU DON'T HAVE
12:24:04 ASIDE.
12:24:05 YOUR SIDE IS TO GIVE THE BEST ADVICE TO US OR THE MAYOR,
12:24:08 NOT SAYING WHO IS RIGHT OR WHO IS WRONG.
12:24:10 THAT'S THE CITY ATTORNEY'S JOB, WHAT THE JOB OF CRA
12:24:14 ATTORNEY IS.
12:24:14 AS RELATES TO THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, HOW IT'S BEEN
12:24:17 RUNNING AND HOW MOST OUTSIDE FEEL THAT YOU HAVE ONE
12:24:23 PERSON OVER SEEING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND CRA, IT FELT
12:24:26 LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSON WAS HANDLING HOW
12:24:29 THEY WANT IT TO GO VERSUS HOW THE CRA WAS ORCHESTRATED.
12:24:36 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT ONE
12:24:38 PERSON -- I'M AGREEING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A DEDICATED
12:24:41 CRA MANAGER.
12:24:42 ABSOLUTELY.
12:24:43 I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF THAT DEDICATED CRA MANAGER'S
12:24:48 SALARY IS PAID BY THE CITY, THEY WILL STILL BE, IN MY
12:24:52 OPINION, THEY CAN STILL BE COMPLETELY RESPONSIVE TO THE
12:24:56 WISHES OF THE CRA.
12:24:58 BECAUSE WE ALL DO THAT.
12:25:00 AGAIN, I'M DOING THAT RATE NOW.
12:25:02 YOU ARE DOING THAT WHEN YOU SWITCH YOUR HATS.
12:25:04 SO I WAS NOT GOING BACK TO THE SPLIT MODEL.
12:25:09 I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
12:25:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
12:25:12 >>JOHN BENNETT: I OFFER A QUICK ANALOGY.
12:25:15 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, I KNOW THIS VERY SPECIFICALLY.
12:25:17 EVERY TIME WE PUT A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IN A SCHOOL,
12:25:20 THAT SCHOOL HAS TO AGREE THAT THAT THAT R THAT'S A RIGHT
12:25:23 FIGHT FOR THAT SCHOOL.
12:25:24 IT'S A MUCH SMALLER SCALE, BUT THE SCHOOL IS A CITY
12:25:27 WITHIN ITSELF.
12:25:28 AND I KNOW THIS FROM OVERSEEING THE SCHOOL RESOURCE
12:25:31 OFFICERS.
12:25:32 THE MINUTE THAT PRINCIPAL CALLS AND SAYS THIS PERSON IS
12:25:34 NOTE A GOOD FIT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHIEF OF POLICE
12:25:37 DID?
12:25:37 MOVE THAT PERSON OUT, BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BEST
12:25:40 RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THAT SCHOOL, AND THAT SCHOOL
12:25:42 COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE.
12:25:44 TAKE THAT TIMES 100 FOR THIS, BECAUSE THE CRA IS A CITY
12:25:48 WITHIN THE CITY, AND I DON'T THINK MANY OF US CAN ATTEST
12:25:53 FOR ANYTHING IN THE PAST, BUT I DO WANT TO ECHO
12:25:55 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT EARLIER ABOUT GOOD THINGS HAVE
12:26:00 HAPPENED.
12:26:00 WE JUST NEED TO DO GREAT THINGS NOW P.I THINK IT'S TIME
12:26:03 TO MOVE FROM GOOD TO GREAT.
12:26:04 AND I THINK THE WAY THAT STARTS IS WITH THE EXCELLENT
12:26:07 HIRE, A DIVERSE HIRE IN A CRA DIRECTOR ROLE.
12:26:11 IT STARTS WITH LOOKING AT ALL OF THE STRATEGIC ACTION
12:26:15 PLANS THAT FEED THAT SYSTEM.
12:26:16 AND OF COURSE ALL ROADS END WITH THE CRA BOARD AND MAKING
12:26:21 THOSE DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THE HORSEPOWER OF
12:26:24 CITY PERSONNEL TO GET IT DONE AFTER IT'S ALL EXECUTED AT
12:26:27 THAT LEVEL.
12:26:30 THAT'S WRITE FEEL WE ARE AT.
12:26:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:26:35 >> THANK YOU.
12:26:37 I THINK THIS IS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
12:26:40 AND I THINK THERE IS SOME VALIDITY IN THE DISCUSSION.
12:26:49 A MINUTE AGO I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FIVE VOTES AND THAT
12:26:52 SORT OF THING, AND MAYBE MR. BENNETT HAS AT LEAST
12:26:57 TEMPORARILY PERSUADED ME THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED
12:27:01 THAT.
12:27:02 AND PART OF THAT, PART OF WHY I AGREE WITH THAT IS THE
12:27:07 SERVICES AGREEMENT LANGUAGE SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT WE
12:27:12 CAN PART COMPANY IN 90 DAYS NOTICE OR SOMETHING LIKE
12:27:18 THAT.
12:27:19 NOT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
12:27:21 SO THERE'S ALWAYS FLEXIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD.
12:27:24 I THINK WHEN MAKING A VERY IMPORTANT AND POSITIVE STEP IN
12:27:29 BREAKING OUT THAT BOB MCDONAUGH, AND WHAT WAS MARK'S LAST
12:27:35 NAME, MARK HUEY POSITION, INTO NOW BEING TWO POSITIONS, I
12:27:39 THINK THAT'S A GOOD POSITIVE FIRST STEP.
12:27:42 MS. ZELMAN, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ACTUALLY BECAUSE
12:27:44 YOU KIND OF PUT THINGS INTO PERSPECTIVE.
12:27:46 BUT I THINK WE ARE MAKING A GOOD FIRST STEP INTO DOING
12:27:49 THAT.
12:27:49 I THINK ALL EIGHT OF US ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
12:27:53 THAT THAT SHOULD BE BROKEN OUT.
12:27:55 AND I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD HEAD.
12:27:57 I THINK WE SHOULD HIRE THE PUBLICIZE SCOPE AND PUBLICIZE
12:28:02 AND HIRE THAT MANAGER.
12:28:09 YOU KNOW, I AM NOT TOTALLY WEDDED TO THE FIVE VOTES IN OR
12:28:12 FIVE VOTES OUT, BUT I AM GOING TO SUGGEST INSTEAD OF
12:28:16 THAT, THAT ITEM 17 ON OUR SERVICES AGREEMENT, WHICH
12:28:20 DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW, WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THE
12:28:23 LINES OF THE CITY WILL HIRE THE MANAGER AND STAFF THAT
12:28:31 WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE CRA BOARD, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF
12:28:36 LANGUAGE LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT THERE. ITEMS 1 THROUGH
12:28:39 16, THERE'S A LOT OF NUTS AND BOLTS BUT MAYBE ITEM 17 OR
12:28:45 MAYBE ITEM 1 IS THAT.
12:28:47 THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE A STAFF MANAGER AND THE REST
12:28:51 OF THE TEN FOLKS THAT ARE BEHIND YOU THAT WILL WORK
12:28:57 CLOSELY AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CRA BOARD.
12:29:00 MAYBE THAT'S ENOUGH FOR TODAY, AND WE CAN TAKE -- I WON'T
12:29:06 SAY BABY STEPS BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS PUNY.
12:29:10 WE CAN TAKE SMALLER STEPS AND MAYBE I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
12:29:13 >>JOHN BENNETT: I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH MOVING THE
12:29:16 NEEDLE, MOVING THE BAR SO WE CAN LEAPFROG INTO THE FUTURE
12:29:19 AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
12:29:20 I THINK GETTING THAT JOB DESCRIPTION OUT, GET THE JOB
12:29:24 SELECTION GOING IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE CRA BOARD, IS
12:29:27 CRITICAL.
12:29:27 I THINK HAVING LANGUAGE THAT SUPPLIES A SINGLE FOCUS AND
12:29:32 ACCOUNTABILITY, IN ADDITION TO YOUR AGREEMENT, IS AN
12:29:36 IMPORTANT FACET OF THAT. WE THINK WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
12:29:39 WE HAVE AS MUCH INTEGRITY ON THIS AS POSSIBLE.
12:29:42 THAT'S ACTUALLY -- AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
12:29:45 WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE VEHICLES THAT GET US TO THE
12:29:49 OUTCOMES THAT SUCCEED THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE.
12:29:51 BECAUSE AS TOMORROW GOES ON AND ALL OF OUR SEATS GET
12:29:54 REPLACED WE WANT THE SAME OUTCOMES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
12:29:56 AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT IS TO BUILD A STRONG SYSTEM,
12:30:00 HAVE A STRONG OUTCOMES AND LET THEM MOVE INTO THE NEXT
12:30:03 FIVE, TEN, 15, 20 YEARS OF IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR
12:30:06 NEIGHBORHOODS.
12:30:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
12:30:16 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:30:17 >>JOHN BENNETT: SHE'S STILL HERE.
12:30:20 >>Michelle Van Loan: THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD, OR
12:30:22 I WAS GOING TO SAY, IS GETTING BACK TO SOME OF THE EARLY
12:30:27 COMMENTS WE HAD WHEN WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, AND THE
12:30:30 COMMENT THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID.
12:30:34 MOST OF WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WERE THE EFFICIENCY ISSUES.
12:30:37 WHAT WERE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS BY BRINGING THIS ISSUE UP?
12:30:40 WE REFERENCE TWO PERSONNEL THAT ARE NO LONGER WITH THE
12:30:43 CITY.
12:30:43 AND NOT TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF PER SE THAT CAUSED THE
12:30:46 ISSUES BUT THE PERSONALITIES THAT WERE HOLDING THOSE
12:30:49 POSITIONS.
12:30:50 SO WITH THE ADMINISTRATION LOOKING AT SPLITTING OUT A
12:30:53 DEDICATED POSITION TO JUST THE CRAs TO HELP ADDRESS
12:30:58 SOME OF THOSE ISSUES TO HAVING AN INCLUSIVE HIRING
12:31:01 PROCESS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT GELLING WITH THE
12:31:03 PERSON THAT WILL BE INVOLVED HEAVILY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
12:31:06 AISLE, AND WHERE THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION AND NEW
12:31:11 PERSONNEL ARE TRYING TO TAKE THIS CITY, AND THE
12:31:14 RELATIONSHIP THEY ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH WITH THE CRA
12:31:17 BOARD, OR BASICALLY ASKING, LET US MOVE FORWARD TO
12:31:20 ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, GIVE US A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THESE
12:31:23 ISSUES, AND AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SO ELOQUENTLY SAID,
12:31:28 IF WE ARE NOT HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THAT YOU
12:31:31 AGREE WITH, YOU AT ANY TIME HAVE THAT ABILITY TO CHANGE
12:31:35 COURSE.
12:31:35 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I CAN MAKE ONE MORE POSTSCRIPT TO
12:31:42 WHAT MICHELLE JUST SAID WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT,
12:31:46 IF THIS CRA DIRECTOR GETS IN OFFICE BEFORE WE FINALIZE AN
12:31:49 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GOING
12:31:51 TO BE PART OF THE SELECTION PROCESS.
12:31:54 THAT ABILITY FOR THAT CHEMISTRY TO BE THERE, BECAUSE THIS
12:31:56 IS A HUGE PART OF THAT JOB DESCRIPTION.
12:32:01 AND I FLOW IN THE SELECTION PROCESSES THAT I HAVE BEEN
12:32:03 IN, YOU BRING IN STAFF TO SEE WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE.
12:32:06 AND SO I THINK IF THAT PERSON IS IN PLACE, IT'S GOING TO
12:32:10 BE PART OF THE DRIVER WHO GETS THAT ADDITION SEAT SO WE
12:32:13 CAN HAVE THAT CONTINUITY OF SERVICE BETWEEN THE CRA
12:32:15 BOARD, THE COMMUNITY OUTCOMES, AND OVERALL ECONOMIC
12:32:18 DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ALSO SHAPED BY YOU AND YOUR
12:32:21 INFLUENCES.
12:32:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE WE TAKING MOTIONS TODAY ON THIS
12:32:27 ITEM?
12:32:29 LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY IN REFERENCE TO THE CRA
12:32:33 DIRECTOR POSITION?
12:32:35 OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT TO SEE IF THE ADMINISTRATION
12:32:39 HIRES THEIR PERSON?
12:32:41 HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROCEED?
12:32:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE WILL OF THIS BOARD?
12:32:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION.
12:32:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION I WANT IT
12:32:55 CLEAR EXACTLY WHO IS PAYING WHAT AND WHO IS GOING TO BE
12:32:59 DOING WHAT.
12:33:00 IT HAS TO BE INCLUDED.
12:33:01 BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD IN THE BEGINNING BUT NOW IT'S
12:33:04 CHANGED.
12:33:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY.
12:33:08 MAY I HAVE THE OUTLINE OF THE DUTIES, HOW
12:33:14 RESPONSIBILITIES ARE GOING TO BE MET OF THIS NEW
12:33:16 DIRECTOR, AND PRESENT THAT TO US AT OUR OFFICIAL NEXT CRA
12:33:23 BOARD MEETING?
12:33:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
12:33:32 >>Michelle Van Loan: AGREED.
12:33:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN, IF YOU NEED A REFERENCE FOR
12:33:36 THIS DIRECTORSHIP, PLEAS, YOU CAN USE MY NAME.
12:33:39 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:33:42 >>BILL CARLSON: MS. VAN LOAN, WHAT YOU SAID A FEW MINUTES
12:33:45 AGO IS IMPORTANT.
12:33:46 I'M SORRY TO BE STUCK IN THAT SPHERE.
12:33:49 BUT RATE OR WRONG MY COLLEAGUES NEXT TO ME MIGHT DISAGREE
12:33:52 BUT FAIRLY OR UNFAIRLY, THE LAST MAYOR WENT QUIET LIP TO
12:33:59 THE PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE AND PUSHED THROUGH DEALS
12:34:01 THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PRIORITIES OF THE COMMUNITY
12:34:05 OR THE BOARD.
12:34:06 AND SO I JUST WANT TO, AS CUSTODIANS OF THE COMMUNITY'S
12:34:11 MONEY, OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
12:34:14 WE ARE MAKING THE RATE DECISIONS THAT WE ARE SHOWING THAT
12:34:16 WE ARE ASKING THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, AND SORRY TO HIT YOU
12:34:19 ALL REPEATEDLY WITH THESE QUESTIONS.
12:34:21 BUT IF WE DON'T ASK THESE QUESTIONS, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS
12:34:23 WE WILL BE CRITICIZED SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
12:34:26 REALLY ON TOP OF EVERYTHING.
12:34:28 AND THE SECOND THING WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT, I SAID
12:34:30 OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ECONOMIC
12:34:33 DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
12:34:34 WE NEED PEOPLE IN BOTH THESE POSITIONS IN ENDING POVERTY
12:34:38 AND FINDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AND WORKING ON
12:34:42 ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND REAL ECONOMIC GROWTH IN OUR
12:34:45 COMMUNITY, NOT SUBSIDIZING COMPANIES FROM OUTSIDE AND NOT
12:34:48 JUST FOCUSED -- WE CAN'T JUST MEASURE OUR SUCCESS ON THE
12:34:51 BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT.
12:34:53 THANK YOU.
12:34:54 >>Michelle Van Loan: AND WE DID WRITE DOWN ALL YOUR
12:34:56 COMMENTS EARLIER SO IF I AM NOT MAKING EYE CONTACT, I AM
12:35:01 WRITING DOWN EVERYTHING YOU SAY, YOUR REQUESTS, YOUR
12:35:03 MEASUREMENTS, ALL YOUR COMMENTS.
12:35:04 SOCIETY I DO HAVE THAT.
12:35:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN, DOES THIS CONCLUDE YOUR
12:35:08 REPORT OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
12:35:12 >>Michelle Van Loan: WE HAVE ONE ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO
12:35:14 EITHER KICK DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH I THINK GIVEN THE
12:35:16 DISCUSSION YOU ALL JUST HAD, WE SHOULD WAIT ON THAT UNTIL
12:35:20 NOVEMBER, AND THAT'S THE SERVICES AGREEMENT.
12:35:22 UNTIL YOU SETTLE ON THE DISCUSSION YOU HAVE JUST HAD, I
12:35:26 THINK WE SHOULD PUSH THAT DOWN ANOTHER MONTH.
12:35:30 WHAT I WILL ADD TO THAT IS TO DATE WE STILL ONLY HAVE THE
12:35:33 INPUT OF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER.
12:35:35 SO YOU HAVE THREE OPTIONS ASIDE FROM THE CRA DIRECTOR
12:35:39 POSITION.
12:35:41 YOU CAN LEAVE IT AS IS.
12:35:42 YOU CAN MAKE JUST A MORE SIMPLIFIED EXTREME LINE
12:35:45 LANGUAGE.
12:35:46 AND I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON WOULD STILL LIKE TO LOOK
12:35:50 AT PROPOSING AN ADJUSTED LIST WITH SOME OF THOSE IDEAS
12:35:54 ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF TODAY, THE POWER POINT,
12:35:57 OUR PRIORITIES ON THE CRP.
12:36:00 SO AT SOME POINT WE DO HAVE TO FINALIZE WHICH DIRECTION
12:36:02 YOU WANT TO GO WITH THAT.
12:36:06 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK I WAS THE ONE THAT PUSHED FOR
12:36:08 THIS EDITING.
12:36:09 AND I WOULD PROPOSE BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT WE POSTPONE
12:36:13 IT.
12:36:13 BUT AM I ALLOWED TO HAND OUT MY -- SINCE WE ARE ON PUBLIC
12:36:17 RECORD, TO HAND OUT MY LIST JUST SO YOU SEE?
12:36:21 MY POINT IS WE NEED TO SIMPLIFY THE LIST, AND SHOW THAT
12:36:25 IT'S ABOUT MORE THAN JUST REAL ESTATE.
12:36:27 I THOUGHT THE MATRIX THAT HAD YOU PROVIDED WAS EXCELLENT
12:36:30 AT SHOWING ALL THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF SERVICES.
12:36:33 AS YOU ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT EDITING IT, MAYBE GIVE HER
12:36:38 YOUR FEEDBACK.
12:36:39 AND IF YOU SEE MINE NOW AND YOU CAN GIVE HER THE FEEDBACK
12:36:42 SO SHE CAN COME BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW WHETHER WE
12:36:45 SHOULD CHANGE IT.
12:36:46 MY IDEA IS TO SIMPLIFY IT AND DIVERSIFY IT.
12:36:49 THANKS.
12:36:50 >>Michelle Van Loan: SO MOVING FORWARD, WHICH WAS THE
12:36:51 VERY LAST SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE,
12:36:54 YOU ALL WILL LET ME KNOW WHAT YOUR FEEDBACK IS ON THE
12:36:57 PROPOSED LIST AND WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THAT.
12:36:59 AND I WILL SEND YOU OUT A FORM FOR FEEDBACK FOR
12:37:02 PRIORITIES ON THE REMAINING CRAs AND RESPECTFULLY
12:37:06 REQUEST THAT THAT BE BACK SOMETIME BY NEXT MONDAY-ISH SO
12:37:09 THAT WE CAN COLLATE ALL OF THAT AND GET IT TO YOU WITHIN
12:37:12 THE TIME FOR YOUR REVIEW BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THE
12:37:15 NOVEMBER 14th MEETING.
12:37:16 WITH THAT I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.
12:37:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:37:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MICHELLE, WHAT IS YOUR EXACT POSITION?
12:37:26 I KNOW YOU HANDLE CRAS.
12:37:28 >> I AM TECHNICALLY CALLED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
12:37:31 SPECIALIST. I WAS HIRED INITIALLY 12 YEARS AGO TO BE A
12:37:34 FULL-TIME PROJECT PERSON WITHIN EAST TAMPA CRA.
12:37:37 WHEN WE HIT THE RECESSION, I EXPANDED INTO DREW PARK, AND
12:37:41 THEN WE ADDED WEST TAMPA, I ALWAYS SERVED WEST TAMPA, AND
12:37:45 THEN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GENERAL, NOT
12:37:50 MEANING EVERYTHING MR. MCDONOUGH. SO I ALSO HANDLE SOME
12:37:54 OF THE DEPARTMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TASKS.
12:37:57 SO I SIT ON THE FOREIGN TRADE ZONE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
12:38:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. VAN LOAN, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU
12:38:05 VERY MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
12:38:07 JOB WELL DONE.
12:38:08 I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE.
12:38:11 >>Michelle Van Loan: THANK YOU ALL FOR INDULGING US.
12:38:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BEFORE WE GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD
12:38:16 LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
12:38:17 WE HAVE A LIST OF OUR CRAs IN FRONT OF US.
12:38:21 THESE WERE ALL ONCE GREAT COMMUNITIES.
12:38:25 AND THE ONE THING THAT MADE THEM ALL GREAT COMMUNITIES,
12:38:29 THE ONE THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON WAS THEY WERE ALL
12:38:33 BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
12:38:41 WERE INDUSTRIAL, WHETHER EMPLOYMENT, THEY REQUEST ALL
12:38:43 GREAT BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
12:38:45 YBOR CITY HAD THE CIGAR FACTORIES.
12:38:48 WEST TAMPA, ARMENIA, HOWARD, MAIN STREET.
12:38:54 CENTRAL AVENUE, CENTRAL PARK.
12:38:57 THEY WERE ALL INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
12:38:59 THEY WERE ALL BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
12:39:02 I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO THE CRAs GETTING
12:39:07 INVOLVED AND BRINGING BACK ECONOMIC GROWTH TO EACH AND
12:39:10 EVERY ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS.
12:39:12 WE HAVE HAD MAYORS IN THE PAST THAT SAW THAT DOWNTOWN, IF
12:39:17 I MAY USE YOUR WORDS, THE SIDEWALKS WERE ROLLED UP AT
12:39:22 5:00.
12:39:22 THE MAYOR SAID WE NEED AN AQUARIUM, WE NEED A CONVENTION
12:39:26 CENTER, AND MONEY WAS SPENT HERE.
12:39:27 WITHOUT THE CRA I DON'T THINK DOWNTOWN WOULD BE WHERE IT
12:39:30 IS TODAY.
12:39:31 WE HAD ANOTHER MAYOR THAT SAW HIS CHILDHOOD HOME YBOR
12:39:36 CITY BLIGHTED WITH DRUGS, PROSTITUTION, CRIME, INVESTED
12:39:39 MONEY, MADE CRAs DOWN THERE.
12:39:42 YBOR CITY WOULD NOT BE WHERE IT IS WITHOUT CRAs.
12:39:46 THOSE PROOF THAT CRAS WORK, AND IT'S PROOF THAT I'M SURE
12:39:54 THAT EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, TAMPA HEIGHTS, DREW PARK,
12:39:59 THESE CRAs ARE GOING TO SUCCEED.
12:40:03 I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:40:05 EACH PERSON THAT WOULD --
12:40:07 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
12:40:08 I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY.
12:40:09 I HAVE TO LEAVE IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES FOR A PRIVATE SECTOR
12:40:13 OBLIGATION.
12:40:14 I HAVE ABOUT TEN OR 12 MINUTES FOR A 1:00.
12:40:18 IS THIS BEING RECORDED FOR ANY CHANCE?
12:40:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, IT IS.
12:40:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S NOT LIVE BUT IT'S BEING RECORDED.
12:40:25 >>LUIS VIERA: IN CASE I MISS.
12:40:27 I APOLOGIZE.
12:40:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF WE HAVE PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT,
12:40:31 PLEASE LINE UP TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT, AND YOU WILL BE
12:40:34 GIVEN THREE MINUTES.
12:40:35 FIRST PERSON PLEASE COME UP.
12:40:37 >> KEN STOLTENBERG, 1208 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, KENNEDY
12:40:49 AND THE CHANNEL DISTRICT.
12:40:50 HOPEFULLY, CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT?
12:40:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ELMO, PLEASE.
12:40:56 >> IT'S A PICTURE OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT FROM 2004 WHICH
12:41:00 IS ON THE COVER-'
12:41:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ELMO, PLEASE.
12:41:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ELMO IS NOT ON THE SCREENS.
12:41:09 >> THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IN 2004.
12:41:24 AS YOU CAN SEE, THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT AND BEEN
12:41:27 QUITE POSITIVE THERE.
12:41:29 I HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING THERE SINCE 2003.
12:41:32 AND I HEARD A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU SAID ABOUT WALKABLE
12:41:35 NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALSO AFFORDABILITY IN HOUSING.
12:41:38 THE CHANNEL DISTRICT IS ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH ITS NATURAL
12:41:42 LIFE.
12:41:43 AND QUITE A BIT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
12:41:45 A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS: I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID,
12:41:48 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, AND WHEN I WENT DOWN THERE IN 2003
12:41:52 AND SAID I WOULD BRING A SUPERMARKET DOWN THERE,
12:41:54 EVERYBODY THOUGHT I WAS EITHER CRAZY, STUPID OR BOTH.
12:41:57 WOMEN, I SAW A LOT OF YOU THE GRAND OPENING.
12:41:59 THANK YOU FOR COMING.
12:42:00 JUST FOUR QUICK THINGS.
12:42:03 AND I DIDN'T GO THROUGH SECTION 163 LAST NIGHT COUNCILMAN
12:42:09 CARLSON BUT AS YOU CAN SEE I HAVE HAD THESE A WHILE.
12:42:11 ITCH GOT ALL KINDS OF NOTES ON THEM.
12:42:14 AND WE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD AND I THINK
12:42:17 ROB IS DOING A GOOD JOB.
12:42:19 WE HAVE NINE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO GET DONE IN THE NEXT TWO
12:42:21 AND A HALF, THREE YEARS.
12:42:22 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US START PLANNING THE NEXT ROUND OF
12:42:25 PROJECTS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR JUST OVER
12:42:28 A YEAR NOW.
12:42:28 IT DOES TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO GET THESE THINGS
12:42:31 PLANNED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE READY TO BE EXECUTED.
12:42:36 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CRA CAN DO IS IT CAN DO
12:42:39 MARKETING FOR THE AREA, AND THAT COULD BE EVENTS, THAT
12:42:43 COULD BE NEWSLETTERS, ALL KIND OF STUFF.
12:42:46 HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE REALLY THINKING?
12:42:48 WE FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO, I HAD MY ASSOCIATE PAGE GO AND
12:42:52 GET THE LIST OF ALL THE MANAGERS FOR THE APARTMENTS AND
12:42:56 CONDO BUILDINGS AND DID A SURVEY FOR WHAT WE WANT TO SEE
12:42:59 PEOPLE PROGRAMS IN THE PARK.
12:43:02 WE GAVE THAT TO ALL PROPERTY MANAGERS AND SENT IT OUT TO
12:43:06 ALL THE FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.
12:43:08 WE GOT A GREAT RESPONSE.
12:43:09 WE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO THAT AND GET DIRECTLY TO THE
12:43:12 PEOPLE.
12:43:12 WHEN STAFF SAYS, DID YOU TAKE ENOUGH TIME FIGURE OUT WHAT
12:43:15 PEOPLE WANTED?
12:43:16 WE HAVE A WAY TO DO THAT.
12:43:17 A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU CONTINUE TO
12:43:20 FOCUS ON IS OPEN SPACE, PARKING, AND I'LL SAY AFFORDABLE
12:43:25 HOUSING BUT I WILL REFINE THAT TO MANY WORKFORCE HOUSE
12:43:28 HAD GONE.
12:43:28 WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME IS PEOPLE MAKING BETWEEN, SAY, 75
12:43:33 TO 100% OF THE MEDIUM.
12:43:36 THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR ANY OF THE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS BUT
12:43:39 PEOPLE LIKE TEACHERS, FAVORITES, PEOPLE THAT WORK IN
12:43:42 THESE BUILDINGS.
12:43:43 SO I AM GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A
12:43:45 PLAN FOR THAT.
12:43:46 I THINK I HAVE SOME IDEAS.
12:43:47 I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO YOU AT A
12:43:51 FUTURE CRA MEETING AND TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE COME UP WITH.
12:43:53 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:43:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:43:55 NEXT, PLEASE.
12:43:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. STOLTENBERG, LET ME PUBLICLY THANK
12:44:01 YOU FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE IN EAST TAMPA.
12:44:04 NEXT STOLTENBERG WAS ABLE TO GET PROGRAMS IN EAST TAMPA,
12:44:07 THE FIRST SCHOOL BOARD AT THE NFL CENTER.
12:44:13 I NORTHERN I WAS CRYING ONE NIGHT AND NOT KNOWING HOW
12:44:17 MANY I WAS GOING TO GET A LOT OF UNIFORMS, AND HE WAS THE
12:44:20 FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT CAME OUT AND OPENED A MAILBOX ONE
12:44:23 MORNING WITH $10,000 TO START THE PROGRAM OFF.
12:44:26 SO I KNOW THE WORK YOU ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:44:28 YOU HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME THE FRIEND AND YOU KNOW ABOUT
12:44:30 WORKFORCE HOUSING.
12:44:31 I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN BECAUSE YOU
12:44:34 ALWAYS COME UP WITH PLANS TO HELP THE COMMUNITIES.
12:44:36 THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
12:44:36 >> CHRIS VOIDEVICH, THE CURRENT CHAIR.
12:44:43 YCDC, ALSO THE TREASURER OF THE HISTORIC YBOR
12:44:47 NEIGHBORHOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION, AND A FULL-TIME RESIDENT
12:44:49 OF HISTORIC YBOR.
12:44:52 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND COUNCIL FOR THIS WORKSHOP.
12:44:55 I AM GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND THEN CIRCLE
12:44:57 BACK TO A FEW THINGS IN THIS WORKSHOP THAT I WANT TO MAKE
12:45:01 SURE WE ADDRESS.
12:45:02 ONE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN CITRO MENTIONED
12:45:07 THAT EACH OF THESE CRAs IS DIFFERENT.
12:45:12 WHAT I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS WHERE WE ARE IN THE
12:45:14 PROCESS.
12:45:14 I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE OTHER CRAS ARE IN THE PROCESS
12:45:18 BUT YBOR CITY HAS RECENT LIMIT REVAMPED THEIR VISION
12:45:20 PLAN, THE 20-20 VISION PLAN IS GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU
12:45:22 FOR APPROVAL.
12:45:23 SO WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE GONE OUT AND SOUGHT
12:45:26 THAT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON
12:45:29 BROUGHT UP AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED ACTUALLY BY SEVERAL OF
12:45:31 UP.
12:45:32 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU MENTIONED IT AS WELL.
12:45:34 WE WENT OUT AND SOUGHT THAT INVOLVEMENT FROM PUBLIC
12:45:37 WORKSHOPS, ONLINE SURVEYS, SOCIAL MEDIA, ET CETERA.
12:45:41 SO WE DID A LOT OF REACH-OUT TO GET PUBLIC COMMENT IN AND
12:45:45 UPDATE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THE THINGS THAT ARE
12:45:48 IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS
12:45:50 TO DO.
12:45:51 SO BACK TO THIS WORKSHOP.
12:45:53 I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE AS YOU LOOK TO HIRE
12:45:57 IS THAT CERTAIN CRAs ARE GOING TO BE AT THE POINT WHERE
12:45:59 THEY ARE TRYING TO REVAMP THAT STRATEGIC PLAN.
12:46:02 THEY ARE GOING TO NEED SOME STRATEGIC LEADERSHIP AND
12:46:04 THOUGHT LEADERSHIP COMING DOWN THE PYRAMID AND HOW TO
12:46:09 FLIP THAT PYRAMID OVER SO YOU GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
12:46:14 WHAT THE CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT WE ARE GOING TO NEED THE
12:46:16 ABILITY TO DRIVE OUTCOMES.
12:46:17 WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN IN PLACE THAT ALIGNS TO A LOT OF
12:46:19 THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED HERE, THINGS LIKE A FOE
12:46:22 FORDABLE HOUSING AND THINGS THAT ARE UNIQUE TO YBOR LIKE
12:46:25 MAINTAINING HISTORIC LANDMARK STATUS.
12:46:28 SO THOSE ITEMS ARE GOING TO NEED EXECUTION.
12:46:30 SO WHOEVER STEPS INTO THIS ROLE IS GOING TO NEED TO WORK
12:46:34 WITH CITY STAFF AND WORK WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
12:46:37 A BOARD OF ACTION AND THAT WE ARE DRIVING CHANGE IN YBOR
12:46:39 CITY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR.
12:46:42 SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS.
12:46:43 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR INVITING US TO THIS WORKSHOP.
12:46:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:46:48 NEXT, PLEASE.
12:46:48 >> JOE ROBINSON.
12:46:56 LET ME SAY THIS. DON'T THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH
12:46:59 WATER.
12:47:04 AND IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
12:47:06 I THINK THE CITY IS GIVING YOU AN ALTERNATIVE.
12:47:11 THAT'S A REPUBLICAN MOVE.
12:47:12 THAT IS NOT A MOVE FOR THE PEOPLE.
12:47:13 LISTEN, IN WEST TAMPA WE AIN'T GOT ALL THESE PROBLEMS.
12:47:16 NOW WHY?
12:47:17 BECAUSE WE HAVE THE UNIQUE SET-UP.
12:47:19 THE PEOPLE SIT ON OUR CAC COMMITTEE OF NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP
12:47:25 REPRESENTATIVES, NOT SOME INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY HAVE A
12:47:27 PERSONAL KICK BACK OR SOMETHING GOING ON.
12:47:34 WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ONE IN TAMPA BUT WE DECIDED TO GO
12:47:37 TO MAIM.
12:47:43 THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS.
12:47:44 I THINK THE CITY IS GIVING A GOOD APPROACH.
12:47:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]
12:47:52 >> THERE YOU GO.
12:47:53 THE THING IS THIS, THE STUFF YOU HEARD ABOUT TODAY IS
12:47:57 GREAT.
12:47:57 WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN.
12:47:58 THE WEST TAMPA MATRIX, WE GOT AN X ON EVERYTHING.
12:48:03 THERE'S SOMETHING WITH CHANNELSIDE.
12:48:04 OKAY.
12:48:05 WE THOUGHT IT OUT.
12:48:06 IT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY.
12:48:08 OUR PLAN CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY.
12:48:10 THREE YEARS.
12:48:11 I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40, 50 YEARS IN WEST TAMPA.
12:48:15 THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
12:48:16 IT'S THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THE CRA COMMITTEES THAT
12:48:20 DRIVES IT.
12:48:20 IF YOU GOT SAVVY PEOPLE YOU ARE GOING TO GET A -- SORRY
12:48:24 PEOPLE YOU ARE GOING TO GET A SORRY RESULT.
12:48:26 WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
12:48:27 WE HAVE ANOTHER ENGINEER SITTING ON OURS.
12:48:29 WE HAVE EXPERTS IN THE AREA.
12:48:31 THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
12:48:32 AND WE DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING.
12:48:34 WE DON'T GET NO SALARY, LIKE CITY COUNCIL DO.
12:48:37 IT'S ALL FREE.
12:48:38 FREE.
12:48:40 YOU KNOW WHAT ENGINEERS COST?
12:48:42 WE ARE DIFFERENT.
12:48:43 WEST TAMPA HAS A GOOD MODEL.
12:48:45 YOU MIGHT WANT TO REVAMP EAST TAMPA INTO LOOKING AT OUR
12:48:48 MODEL, THE WAY WE ARE SET UP WITH NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP
12:48:51 REPRESENTATIVES, NOT JUST -- WE GOT THREE AT-LARGE PEOPLE
12:48:55 THAT AREN'T ON ANY ORGANIZATION.
12:48:56 THE ORGANIZATIONS WILL BE THERE.
12:48:58 SO ROBINSON WILL COME AND GO BUT THE WEST TAMPA CDC WILL
12:49:03 BE THERE, ORGANIZATION WILL ALWAYS COME TO THE TABLE.
12:49:06 THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM.
12:49:07 THAT'S WHAT CREATES ALL OF THIS MESS.
12:49:08 AND IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO PUT ANYBODY -- IT'S GOING TO
12:49:15 BE ME.
12:49:16 SO TWEAK YOUR OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN
12:49:19 TWEAKED SINCE LINDA SAUL-SENA TRIED TO TWEAK IT.
12:49:23 TWEAK THE OUTSOURCE AGREEMENT.
12:49:25 DO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT THE CITY SAYING, PUT IN A
12:49:29 PERSON DEDICATED.
12:49:31 AND HAVE ANOTHER PERSON.
12:49:34 [BELL SOUNDS]
12:49:34 MAKES SENSE.
12:49:37 TRY TO BE INDIVIDUAL, HAVE YOUR OWN THING WILL NOT WORK.
12:49:40 WILL NOT WORK.
12:49:41 OKAY?
12:49:43 IT AIN'T BROKE.
12:49:44 I AM LIKE CHARLIE NOW.
12:49:46 DON'T FIX THIS.
12:49:48 TWEAK IT.
12:49:48 YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT JUST YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
12:49:53 LEGAL PROBLEMS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE FBI AND EVERYTHING
12:49:56 ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY GOT.
12:49:59 DON'T DESTROY IT OR GET RID OF IT.
12:50:01 TWEAK IT.
12:50:02 [BELL SOUNDS]
12:50:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NEXT, PLEASE.
12:50:05 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL, MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR,
12:50:20 COUNCIL/CRA BOARD MEMBERS, MY NAME IS VICTOR, 925
12:50:25 INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY, SUITE 1995, HERE REPRESENTING MRS.
12:50:30 NAPA AND HER PROJECT SHE'S BEEN DEALING WITH.
12:50:33 I AM HERE TO SUPPORT THE CRA.
12:50:34 THE CRA IS WONDERFUL.
12:50:36 THE INTENT OF CRA IS GREAT.
12:50:37 THE PROBLEM IS HOW YOU IMPLEMENT IT.
12:50:39 AND THE PROBLEM I HAVE HERE IS EVERYBODY IS WORRYING
12:50:43 ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL THE CRA IS WORKING.
12:50:46 BUT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THE PEOPLE, AND ANDREA IS A
12:50:50 GREAT PERSON, I HAVE KNOWN FOR MANY DECADES.
12:50:52 SHE DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU.
12:50:54 SHE WORKS FOR THE MAYOR.
12:50:55 ALL THE CRA MANAGERS WORK FOR THE MAYOR.
12:50:57 MR. MCDONAUGH WORKED FOR THE MAYOR AS HIS SUCCESSOR MR.
12:51:02 BENNETT WORKS FOR THE MAYOR.
12:51:03 THEY DO NOT WORK FOR YOU AND HEREIN LIES THE INHERENT
12:51:06 PROBLEM.
12:51:06 PUSH COMES TO SHOVE AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION,
12:51:08 THEY ARE GOING TO SAY I, I WORK FOR THE MAYOR.
12:51:11 WHEN RICK FERNANDEZ OF THE TAMPA HEIGHTS SAID LET'S SEE
12:51:14 IF WE CAN EXPAND THE CRA BECAUSE THE OLD CRA WAS THE
12:51:18 SMALLEST CRA OF THE CITY, WE WENT TO MR. ROSNER AND SAID,
12:51:23 I HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE MAYOR.
12:51:24 I SAID, YOU DON'T WORK FOR THE MAYOR, YOU WORK FOR THE
12:51:27 CRA.
12:51:28 AND THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.
12:51:29 THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING WITH US NOW.
12:51:31 MR. ROSNER HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO LOBBY AGAINST OUR
12:51:35 PROJECT.
12:51:36 WE WENT TO THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP A COUPLE DAYS
12:51:40 AGO, AND THEY SAID BEFORE WE HAD GOTTEN THERE, MR. ROSNER
12:51:43 HAD CALLED THEM LOBBYING AGAINST OUR PROJECT.
12:51:46 I TRIED FOR WEEKS NOW TO GET THE LIST.
12:51:50 YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE APPOINTED BY
12:51:52 YOU TO THE CRAs, I WENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THEY
12:51:56 HAVE NO RECORDS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN APPOINTED.
12:51:59 THEY ARE CONTROLLED BY THE MANAGERS.
12:52:00 THE MANAGERS CONTROL WHO THE APPOINTEES ARE, THEY CONTROL
12:52:03 THE INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT.
12:52:05 THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL THE PUBLIC TRANSPARENTLY,
12:52:08 THAT WE CAN GO TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO GET WHOEVER
12:52:10 APPLIED FOR THOSE APPOINTMENTS THAT YOU APPOINT, AND THE
12:52:13 RECORDS SHOULD BE THERE.
12:52:14 THE LIST OF WHERE THE MEETINGS ARE HELD IS DOWNSTAIRS ON
12:52:18 A BULLETIN BOARD UNDERNEATH THE STAIRCASE.
12:52:21 THERE SHOULD BE A CENTRAL LOCATION WHERE ALL THE CRA
12:52:25 INFORMATION SHOULD GO ON THE WEBSITE, NOT JUST THE
12:52:28 DOWNTOWN, BUT WEST TAMPA, TAMPA HEIGHTS, EAST TAMPA, ALL
12:52:31 THOSE, ALL THE MEETING LOCATIONS, ALL THE AGENDAS, ALL
12:52:37 THAT STUFF AND SO FORTH, WHAT I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO
12:52:40 YOU IS WE ACTUALLY WENT TO MR. ROSNER, WHO HAS BEEN
12:52:46 WORKING AGAINST OUR PROJECT, TOLD US AT THE LAST MEETING
12:52:49 THAT HE HAD TALKED THREE TIMES TO HER ATTORNEY, AND I
12:52:57 ASKED THE ATTORNEY, AND THE REASON I AM IN THIS MESS
12:53:00 TODAY IS BECAUSE WE WERE NEVER NOTIFIED OF THE THREE
12:53:02 MEETINGS THAT TOOK PLACE FOR PROJECT.
12:53:05 AND HER ATTORNEY WAS NEVER CONTACTED.
12:53:10 SO SOMEBODY IS LYING HERE AND I REALLY THINK IT'S MR.
12:53:13 ROSNER WHO NEVER TOLD US ABOUT THE THREE MEETINGS THAT
12:53:17 THAT PARK PROJECT TOOK PLACE AT.
12:53:19 AND THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING YOU FOR A MOTION TO PLEASE
12:53:22 TELL HIM --
12:53:23 [BELL SOUNDS]
12:53:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:53:25 >> ALL RIGHT.
12:53:26 YOU'RE WELCOME.
12:53:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:53:28 >> MY NAME IS MARTHA ISAAC AND I AM HERE IN FRONT OF YOU
12:53:39 AGAIN.
12:53:40 WHEN WE LEFT LAST TIME, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO MEET
12:53:44 WITH PARK EMPLOYEES AND FIND A COMPROMISE AND COME BACK
12:53:48 TO YOU WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS.
12:53:54 WE HAD TO BEG HIM.
12:53:58 HE CANCELED THEM TWICE.
12:53:59 AND FINALLY THEY COULDN'T GET A MEETING.
12:54:01 AND THEN MR. ROGERO WAS ANSWERING FOR HIM SAYING THE
12:54:11 MEETING WAS NOT NECESSARY.
12:54:12 SO AS I AM STANDING HERE TODAY, I STILL HAVE NOT HAD THE
12:54:17 OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE CITY EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY
12:54:19 OF TAMPA.
12:54:23 ALL OF THEM ARE WORKING AGAINST ME.
12:54:25 SO IF THE CRA IS TO INCREASE THE PROPERTY THAT DIMINISHES
12:54:31 MY PROPERTY, ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA
12:54:37 EXCEPT MR. BENNETT, WHO I HAVE TO SAY I SPOKE WITH HIM
12:54:40 THIS MORNING, HE WAS VERY NICE, BUT WORKING WITH THE
12:54:55 EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS VERY DIFFICULT, AND YOU
12:55:00 HAVE TO CHANGE THE POSITION OF THE CRA BECAUSE IT'S NOT
12:55:08 WORKING.
12:55:09 I HAVE HAD A VERY UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCE, AND I AM ASKING
12:55:13 YOU TO HELP IN MAKING HAVING SOME MOTION THAT THEY BE
12:55:19 OBLIGATED TO MEET WITH US AND TRY TO COMPROMISE SO WE CAN
12:55:23 COME BACK TO YOU IN DECEMBER WITH A COMPROMISE.
12:55:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:55:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:55:33 IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
12:55:35 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:55:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. ROSNER, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING
12:55:46 THAT THIS TOPIC CAME UP AND I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO
12:55:48 TRY TO MAKE A COMPROMISE WITH EVERYONE INVOLVED TO SEE
12:55:51 HOW WE WERE GOING TO WORK THIS OUT IF POSSIBLE.
12:55:54 HAS THAT OCCURRED AT ALL?
12:55:56 >> YES, THEY HAVE BEEN INVITED TO COME TO THE CAPC
12:55:59 MEETING ON NOVEMBER 5th UNDER UNAGENDAED ITEMS WHERE
12:56:03 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THEIR PLANS TO CAC MEMBERS
12:56:07 AND ALL THE PUBLIC IS INVOLVED, INCLUDED IN THAT.
12:56:11 AND THEY DID MAKE A PRESENTATION, A LETTER TO THE COUNCIL
12:56:17 TO RECEIVE, AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE CHANGES IN THE
12:56:22 MEETING.
12:56:23 AGAIN AS SHE CHARACTERIZED IT, WE WANTED TO SEE FOR THE
12:56:27 NEXT CAC MEETING WHICH IS IN NOVEMBER.
12:56:29 THERE'S STILL TIME IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER TO DO THAT SO
12:56:32 WE WANTED TO GET ALL THE INPUT WE COULD BEFORE WE SAT
12:56:35 DOWN AND STARTED THE WHOLE COMPROMISE PROCESS BECAUSE WE
12:56:38 WANTED TO HEAR ALL POINTS OF VIEW BEFORE GETTING INTO
12:56:41 THAT.
12:56:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WERE THEY NOTIFIED OF THIS MEETING?
12:56:45 >> YES.
12:56:45 AND THEY KNOW THAT IT IS COMING.
12:56:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEY DID COME AND SEE ME LAST WEEK AND
12:56:52 I GUESS THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE CAC OR CRA WAS SUPPOSED
12:56:57 TO WORK AND I HAD MY OFFICE GIVE THEM A COPY OF THE
12:57:00 BYLAWS SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THEIR RIGHTS AND SO FORTH
12:57:03 AND THE CAC BOARD BECAUSE THEY ARE SAY THEY GO DID NOT
12:57:06 KNOW HOW TO OPERATOR IT SEEMS LIKE US VERSUS THEM, THEM
12:57:10 VERSUS THE CITY, AND NOT GETTING COOPERATION.
12:57:12 I MAY TRY TO HAVE MY OFFICE GIVE THEM A COPY OF CACs
12:57:17 AND WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
12:57:19 THEY DO HAVE A COPY SO I AM HOPING THAT EVERYONE INVOLVED
12:57:22 IN THIS PROCESS BEFORE IT GETS TO US ON THE 14th THAT
12:57:25 WE CAN RESOLVE THIS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME
12:57:27 COMMUNICATION WITH THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER NOW.
12:57:29 >> RATE.
12:57:30 WE WERE MEANT TO COME BACK ON DECEMBER 12TH SO WE HAD
12:57:33 TIME BETWEEN NOVEMBER, AND THAT'S WHY ASKING WHAT IT WAS,
12:57:39 SO WE HAD AN EXTRA MONTH, AND IT WAS SHORT NOTICE.
12:57:43 SO NOW WITH THE CAC GIVING COMMENT, AND WE CAN GIVE THE
12:57:48 PRESENTATION AS A OPERATOR ITEM AS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE
12:57:51 AGENDA, AND HAVE 20 OR 30 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CLAIM
12:57:54 AND DISCUSS IT WITH THE CAC MEMBERS, AND WE'LL TAKE A
12:57:57 VOTE ON IT.
12:57:59 NOVEMBER 5th, 5:30, TLMB, SECOND FLOOR, EXECUTIVE
12:58:05 CONFERENCE ROOM.
12:58:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:58:09 IF I RECALL, AND THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED
12:58:12 THAT DAY, AND I AM TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MR. ROSNER,
12:58:16 MR. DEMAIO, MRS. ISAAC, AND MR. McENTIRE, IT WAS SET ON
12:58:20 DIFFERENT DAYS.
12:58:22 I THINK YOU JUST CERTIFIED THAT WHAT YOUR STATEMENT WAS.
12:58:25 HOWEVER, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BRING IN
12:58:27 NOT DRAWINGS BUT PLANS, BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS INTENDED
12:58:32 FOR A LONG TIME TO BUILD A RESTAURANT THERE AND I AM NOT
12:58:35 SAYING EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAD BUT THIS IS A GIST IF I
12:58:38 REMEMBER.
12:58:39 SO THEY WERE GOING TO YOU WITH A PLAN, AN ARCHITECTURAL
12:58:43 PLAN WITH A STAMP ON IT TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING
12:58:46 TO PRESENT.
12:58:47 I DON'T KNOW.
12:58:47 >> AND MY COMMUNICATIONS WITH MR. DEMAIO, I SENT AN
12:58:52 E-MAIL TO HIM AFTERWARDS AND INVITED HIM TO THE MEETINGS,
12:58:56 ASKED HIM FOR A COPY OF THE PLANS.
12:58:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND YOU AND I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN ON
12:59:01 THAT, IN SIDE OR THAT SIDE.
12:59:03 >> NO.
12:59:04 I AM JUST GIVING U HISTORY.
12:59:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
12:59:07 I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW ANYMORE.
12:59:09 THE LESS I KNOW THE BETTER OFF I AM RIGHT NOW.
12:59:11 [ LAUGHTER ]
12:59:14 THANK YOU.
12:59:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:59:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
12:59:19 MR. ROSNER, IT APPEARS IN LOOKING AT THIS E-MAIL CHAIN,
12:59:25 YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MEETING WITH VICTOR AND HIS
12:59:30 CLIENT, AND YOU HAD TO RESCHEDULE IT.
12:59:34 THAT WAS ON THE 17th.
12:59:37 PLEASE ACCEPT OUR APOLOGIES, HAVE TO RESCHEDULED TODAY'S
12:59:41 MEETING.
12:59:42 HAS THAT MEETING BEEN RESCHEDULED?
12:59:44 >> NO, IT HASN'T.
12:59:45 AND HAROLD WASN'T ABLE TO COME TO THE MEETING BECAUSE HE
12:59:51 HAD AN EMERGENCY AND HAD TO BE ELSEWHERE AND HE ASKED US
12:59:54 TO RESCHEDULE SINCE HE'S ADMINISTRATOR IN CHARGE.
01:00:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HAS THAT BEEN RESCHEDULED?
01:00:02 >> IT HAS NOT YET.
01:00:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THAT WAS MORE THAN TEN DAYS AGO.
01:00:06 >> APPROXIMATELY.
01:00:07 NINE DAYS.
01:00:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS BODY RESPECTFULLY ASKED THAT THE
01:00:11 ADMINISTRATION INCLUDING YOU, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, I
01:00:13 GUESS SAL IS, WHAT, TEMPORARILY IN CHARGE OF PARKS?
01:00:18 >> CORRECT.
01:00:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MEET WITH THESE FOLKS.
01:00:22 MR. GUDES POINTED OUT, IT WAS WELL INTENDED AND HEADED ON
01:00:28 ITS WAY.
01:00:29 YOU ALL CANCELED IT.
01:00:30 >> IT WASN'T MY INTENTION TO CANCEL THAT.
01:00:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW, BUT YOU ARE HERE. SO MAYBE
01:00:34 YOU CAN RESCHEDULE IT?
01:00:36 >> WE'LL DO THAT.
01:00:37 WE'LL RESCHEDULE IT.
01:00:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
01:00:44 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CONVERSATION YOU AND I HAD, AS
01:00:47 I WAS WANDERING, AND I ASKED THE QUESTION, I SAID WHO IS
01:00:56 INVOLVED IN THIS DESIGN?
01:00:57 AND HE SAID, WELL, IT WAS PARKS' DESIGN.
01:01:00 THAT WOULD BE MR. DIAL, MR. SUITER,.
01:01:08 >> AND MS. PRIZE.
01:01:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
01:01:12 CARLA.
01:01:12 SO I WOULD URGE THEM TO ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING
01:01:17 TO SEE IF SOME COMPROMISE CAN BE WORKED OUT.
01:01:25 IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO BUT IT'S MY
01:01:28 PLACE TO URGE THEM TO DO THAT.
01:01:29 THANK YOU.
01:01:30 >> THANK YOU.
01:01:33 ANY QUESTIONS?
01:01:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
01:01:36 WE ARE GOOD.
01:01:36 IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING
01:01:39 PUBLIC COMMENT?
01:01:40 OKAY.
01:01:40 LET'S GO TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS.
01:01:42 STARTING WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:01:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IN REGARD TO MASSEY
01:01:49 PARK AND THIS ISSUE, DO WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN?
01:01:53 AND ROB, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME OUT.
01:01:54 DO WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN THAT THIS IS COMING BACK TO THE
01:01:57 CRA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION?
01:01:58 >> YES.
01:02:01 YOU VOTED TO HAVE ME COME BACK ON DECEMBER 12TH AND GIVE
01:02:04 A REPORT.
01:02:04 THAT WAS YOUR MOTION AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO
01:02:07 DO.
01:02:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
01:02:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS?
01:02:14 >> NO.
01:02:15 DESIGNATION 12TH AND THAT WAS YOUR MOTION.
01:02:17 THE REASON WE NEED TO MEET FOR THE CAC IN NOVEMBER AND
01:02:20 THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO SHORT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO
01:02:23 GET THAT DONE AND BACK ONTO COUNCIL.
01:02:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE'S BEEN AN ALLEGATION THAT YOU
01:02:33 HAVE BEEN RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO UNDERMINE THIS
01:02:38 PARTICULAR PROPOSAL BY THIS ADJACENT LAND OWNER.
01:02:40 I DON'T WANT -- AS CHARLIE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
01:02:44 THE DETAILS OF LITIGATING THAT BACK.
01:02:47 I JUST HOPE IT'S NOT TRUE.
01:02:49 SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
01:02:53 BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING EVERYBODY'S OBJECTIVE
01:02:56 ANALYSIS OF THIS PROPOSAL IN DECEMBER, SO I DON'T NEED TO
01:03:00 DO A MOTION THERE.
01:03:10 IF I AM CURIOUS, MR. CHAIRMAN, ATTORNEY ZELMAN TALKED A
01:03:13 COUPLE HOURS AGO ABOUT GETTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
01:03:17 OPINION ON THAT WORK DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
01:03:19 I BELIEVE YOU FIND THAT EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF WE
01:03:22 ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT OR IF IT'S NOT CALLED OUT FOR IN
01:03:25 THE STATUTE, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHERE
01:03:28 THAT LEADS US.
01:03:30 IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING TO GET AN ATTORNEY GENERAL
01:03:33 OPINION.
01:03:34 I AM NOTE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GET ONE, BUT I
01:03:37 WOULD LIKE A REPORT BACK AT OUR NEXT CRA MEETING IN TERMS
01:03:40 OF THE POSSIBILITY OF US SEEKING AN ATTORNEY GENERAL
01:03:43 OPINION ON THAT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.
01:03:49 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, I WOULD JUST CAUTION YOU
01:03:51 ASKING FOR AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION IS ONE OF THOSE
01:03:54 YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION IF YOU DON'T
01:03:56 KNOW THE ANSWER BECAUSE IT MAKES STATE WIDE LAW THEN.
01:04:01 FIRST OF ALL.
01:04:02 BUT SECOND OF ALL, AS I THINK I HAVE SAID, PERHAPS NOT
01:04:06 ARTICULATELY, YOU CAN'T REALLY GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
01:04:09 WITH A VERY GENERIC QUESTION.
01:04:12 IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED TO A SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCE, FOR
01:04:16 INSTANCE.
01:04:16 IF SOMEONE HAD A PARTICULAR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR
01:04:19 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN MIND AS A QUESTION, I
01:04:24 COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN ANSWER, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST --
01:04:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME RESTATE IT.
01:04:29 I HEAR YOU ON ALL YOUR POINTS AND THEY ARE WELL TAKEN.
01:04:33 LET ME RESTATE IT THEN.
01:04:34 MY MOTION WOULD BE THAT WE ASK LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- I
01:04:38 WON'T RUSH YOU -- LET'S SAY BY OUR DECEMBER MEETING TO
01:04:41 COME BACK TO US WITH LET'S SAY A LEGAL MEMORANDUM ON THIS
01:04:48 QUESTION OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND OUR ABILITY TO
01:04:51 PARTICIPATE IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AS A CRA.
01:04:55 IS THAT FAIR?
01:05:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE REALLY NEED A MOTION FOR THAT?
01:05:03 CAN YOU PROVIDE THAWS INFORMATION WITHOUT A MOTION?
01:05:05 FROM THE FLOOR: YES.
01:05:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO I HEAR A SECOND?
01:05:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:05:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE I MISSED THAT PART BECAUSE I WAS
01:05:13 OUT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SCOPE, BUT IS IT ECONOMIC
01:05:16 DEVELOPMENT A PART OF THAT WHEN YOU ARE HIRING AND THE
01:05:19 CRA?
01:05:25 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE DISTINCTION THAT WE MADE, COUNCILMAN
01:05:27 GUDES, WHILE YOU WERE GONE, IS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
01:05:30 TIF FUNDS CAN BE SPENT ON.
01:05:33 AND THE STATUTE IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN BE
01:05:37 SPENT ON.
01:05:39 AND THERE'S NOWHERE IN THE STATUTE DOES IT MENTION
01:05:46 UNADULTERATED WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
01:05:48 OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S SOMETHING TIED TO A REDEVELOPMENT
01:05:53 PROJECT, IT CAN HAVE A WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT.
01:05:57 BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER YOU COULD USE TIF FUNDS
01:06:00 FOR A STAND-ALONE, FOR INSTANCE, BOOT CAMP SESSION ON HOW
01:06:05 TO INTERVIEW FOR JOBS.
01:06:17 RIGHT NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATUTE CONTEMPLATES THE
01:06:18 USE OF TIF FUNDS FOR THAT BUT I AM HAPPY TO RESEARCH THAT
01:06:22 QUESTION AND COME BACK IN DECEMBER ON THAT.
01:06:26 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT OTHER SERVICES
01:06:28 OFFLINE.
01:06:29 I WONDER IF I CAN DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT JUST TO EXPAND
01:06:32 TO THE DEFINITION OF SERVICES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE.
01:06:34 AN EXAMPLE IS 163 MENTIONS HEALTH.
01:06:36 SO I PRESUME THAT A HEALTH CLINIC WOULD BE APPROVED
01:06:40 BECAUSE IT'S A BUILDING, BUT CAN YOU PROVIDE HEALTH
01:06:43 SERVICES, OR TRANSPORTATION IS APPROVED, BUT BICYCLE
01:06:48 TRAINING, IS THAT APPROVED OR NOT?
01:06:49 SO WHAT ARE THE SERVICE PARAMETERS?
01:06:53 ST. PETE SAID THAT THEY FIGURED OUT A WAY TO ADD SOCIAL
01:06:56 SERVICES.
01:06:57 SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GIVING US SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT,
01:06:59 IT WOULD BE GREAT.
01:07:01 MR. DINGFELDER, ARE YOU OKAY WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT
01:07:03 JUST TO ADD SOCIAL SERVICES?
01:07:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
01:07:09 YES.
01:07:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SECONDED
01:07:15 BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:07:18 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:07:19 OPPOSED?
01:07:19 MOTION PASSES.
01:07:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW, THIS PROBABLY DOESN'T
01:07:27 REQUIRE A MOTION BUT JUST A COMMENT FOR MICHELLE.
01:07:31 WHEN YOU GAVE US YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU INCLUDED A
01:07:33 CURRENT REVENUE OF $25 MILLION.
01:07:36 WAS IT 7 MILLION OF THE COUNTY INCLUDED IN THE 25
01:07:39 MILLION?
01:07:41 >>Michelle Van Loan: NO.
01:07:41 THAT'S BROKEN OUT BY TAXING JURISDICTION.
01:07:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DOWN THE ROAD
01:07:47 AT THE NEXT RELEVANT PRESENTATION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
01:07:49 MONEY LIKE THAT IS -- I DON'T KNOW, HAVE WE DONE ANY
01:07:54 PROJECTIONS IN TERMS OF SEEING, YOU KNOW, 25 MILLION
01:07:58 TODAY, WHERE IT IS NEXT YEAR OR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND
01:08:02 THAT SORT OF THING?
01:08:03 I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
01:08:04 BUT I WON'T BOTHER WITH A MOTION.
01:08:07 >>Michelle Van Loan: OKAY.
01:08:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:08:09 GOOD MEETING.
01:08:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOTHING.
01:08:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK.
01:08:13 WHAT IS THE STATUS, MR. ROSNER, OF MASSEY PARK?
01:08:17 IS ANYTHING HAPPENING BETWEEN NOW AND --
01:08:21 [ LAUGHTER ]
01:08:25 YOU HAD A REPORT BACK IN DECEMBER.
01:08:26 IS ANYTHING HAPPENING BETWEEN NOW AND THAT REPORT?
01:08:30 >> NO.
01:08:31 THEY WERE FINISHING UP TO 90% AND WE HAVE A COMMENT
01:08:35 PERIOD THAT WE HAVE AND WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH DOING
01:08:37 THOSE COMMENTS.
01:08:38 WELL, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THIS COMMENT PERIOD.
01:08:40 WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TIME TO GET BETWEEN 90 AND 100% SO WE
01:08:45 ARE CONSIDERING THAT.
01:08:46 THE THINGS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE HELD UP OR THE UTILITY
01:08:49 COORDINATION, TECO, AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT
01:08:52 DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE SHAPE OF THE PARK IS THE
01:08:54 CONCERNED.
01:08:54 THOSE THINGS ARE STILL GOING.
01:08:56 BUT PROCEEDING ON TO ELEMENTS OF THE PARK, WE ARE
01:09:01 AWAITING THOSE COMMENTS KNOWING THIS IS COMING UP.
01:09:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:09:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOTHING.
01:09:13 >>BILL CARLSON: NOTHING.
01:09:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND NOTHING FOR ME.
01:09:15 MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:09:16 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
01:09:19 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:09:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:09:22 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
01:09:25 (MEETING ADJOURNED)
01:09:28
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