TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 12, 2020
6:00 P.M.
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06:03:09 >> DINGFELDER?
06:03:11 GUDES?
06:03:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
06:03:12 >> MANISCALCO?
06:03:14 CITRO?
06:03:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
06:03:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
06:03:16 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
06:03:18 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
06:03:18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:03:19 COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVE PREVIEWED THIS, I GUESS, IF YOU
06:03:22 WILL, IN DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OUR
06:03:26 CAPACITY AS CRA.
06:03:27 I'M GOING TO MOVE TONIGHT -- AND I GUESS PASS THE GAVEL
06:03:30 WHENEVER THE TIME COMES, TO I GUESS IT WOULD BE COUNCILMAN
06:03:33 MIRANDA, IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND
06:03:36 WELFARE, GIVEN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY THAT WAS JUST DECLARED
06:03:38 THIS AFTERNOON IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, MOVE TO CONTINUE
06:03:39 HEARINGS SCHEDULED ONLY FOR THIS EVENING TO THE HEARINGS
06:03:44 SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 23rd EVENING SESSION AT 6 P.M., AS
06:03:48 THERE IS PRESENTLY ONLY ONE ALCOHOL HEARING SET TO BE SET
06:03:52 THAT EVENING.
06:03:53 I DON'T COME TO THIS DECISION LIGHTLY, AS I KNOW IT AFFECTS
06:03:55 THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS, BUT THIS IS A DECISION THAT COMES
06:03:58 WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA ANNOUNCING A NUMBER OF EVENTS BEING
06:04:01 CLOSED AND OUR GOVERNOR DESANTIS POSTPONING EVENTS WITH
06:04:06 CROWDS.
06:04:06 IN THE COMING WEEKS, WE WILL FORMULATE A PLAN IN CONJUNCTION
06:04:09 WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO ADDRESS CITY
06:04:12 BUSINESS WITH AS LITTLE DISRUPTION AS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO WITH
06:04:15 AS LITTLE EXPOSURE TO THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE.
06:04:17 THIS IS A VIRUS THAT WE CONTINUE TO GAIN MORE KNOWLEDGE
06:04:20 ABOUT DAY BY DAY AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL PROPOSE
06:04:23 AS CHAIR OF CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE ON A WEEK-BY-WEEK BASIS.
06:04:27 NEXT WEEK'S HEARINGS, WE WILL TAKE NEXT WEEK, MONDAY OR
06:04:30 TUESDAY, AS WE ACQUIRE MORE INFORMATION.
06:04:32 I URGE EVERYONE TO FOLLOW THE CRITICAL PUBLIC HEALTH STEPS
06:04:35 THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED.
06:04:36 WE KNOW THAT THIS VIRUS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT COULD
06:04:39 POSE A SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY OUR
06:04:41 SENIORS.
06:04:42 THIS IS A SMALL STEP THAT I SUGGEST YIELDS GREAT DIVIDENDS
06:04:46 ON PRECAUTIONS -- OR AS A PRECAUTION, AND IT IS BEST TO
06:04:50 ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY BY GOING ON A WEEK-TO-WEEK BASIS
06:04:53 STARTING THIS EVENING.
06:04:54 I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EASY TO PROPOSE AND
06:04:57 CERTAINLY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING SOMETIME FOR
06:05:01 LAND USE HEARINGS.
06:05:01 I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANT BURDEN THIS COULD
06:05:05 PLACE ON PEOPLE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, BUT I CERTAINLY THINK
06:05:09 THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
06:05:10 WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CANCELED,
06:05:12 INCLUDING RECENTLY ST. PATRICK'S DAY FESTIVITIES, TAMPA BAY
06:05:15 LIGHTNING GAMES, FIRESTONE GRAND PRIX, TAMPA BAY RAYS, ET
06:05:23 CETERA, ET CETERA.
06:05:23 AND I THINK BY TAKING THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND PUBLIC
06:05:25 HEARINGS ON A WEEK-TO-WEEK BASIS, WE DO THE RESPONSIBLE
06:05:27 THING.
06:05:28 THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE THIS EVENING.
06:05:30 COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS, I WILL GLADLY
06:05:33 TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS ON THESE SUGGESTIONS.
06:05:38 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE THING, AND I TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY
06:05:41 ABOUT THIS EARLIER, IN THE EVENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO CANCEL
06:05:45 NEXT WEEK, I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT A MECHANISM IN PLACE
06:05:48 TODAY SO THAT WE CAN CANCEL WITHOUT BRINGING THE WHOLE
06:05:51 ENTOURAGE IN.
06:05:53 IT WOULD BE A WASTE OF CITY RESOURCE TO BRING EVERYBODY IN.
06:05:57 SHE WAS GOING TO LOOK IT UP, BUT MAYBE THE MAYOR COULD DO IT
06:06:00 OR WE COULD VOTE NOW TO MAYBE GIVE YOU -- ANDREA, DID SHE
06:06:05 GIVE YOU ANY GUIDANCE ON THAT?
06:06:06 IF WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL NEXT WEEK, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE
06:06:09 DO IT IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ALL GATHER FOR
06:06:14 FIVE MINUTES TO POSTPONE.
06:06:15 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
06:06:17 FIRST, I WOULD DEFER TO MARTIN SHELBY ON THIS QUESTION.
06:06:21 HOWEVER, GINA AND I DID DO OUR OWN RESEARCH AS WELL BECAUSE
06:06:25 I THINK YOU HAD TALKED WITH HER.
06:06:27 WE COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT
06:06:30 WOULD PREVENT THAT OR IN THE STATE STATUTE.
06:06:32 BY THE SAME TOKEN, WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WOULD
06:06:34 SPECIFICALLY ALLOW THIS COUNCIL TO BY MAJORITY VOTE
06:06:40 DESIGNATE OR DELEGATE THAT KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY TO THE
06:06:43 CHAIR.
06:06:44 SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET MARTY'S INPUT ON THAT AS WELL.
06:06:48 AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITING YOU FROM
06:06:51 DOING THAT, AND I THINK IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, I
06:06:57 CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE WOULD CHALLENGE THAT IF A MAJORITY OF
06:07:00 YOU VOTED FOR THAT.
06:07:02 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE MR. SHELBY OPINES IN, I AGREE WITH YOUR
06:07:06 SENTIMENTS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:07:08 ONE THING THAT WE MAY DO AGAIN IS TO CONTINUE TO KEEP CITY
06:07:11 GOVERNMENT MOVING FORWARD IS, AGAIN, TALKING WITH LEGAL AS
06:07:16 WE ACQUIRE MORE INFORMATION ON ITEMS SUCH AS THE CONSENT
06:07:19 AGENDA, WHICH KEEP THE CITY MOVING FORWARD AS WE ACQUIRE
06:07:22 MORE INFORMATION.
06:07:22 AGAIN, THIS IS A SITUATION WHICH IS LITERALLY DEVELOPING BY
06:07:25 THE DAY, AS IT RELATES TO WHAT I PROPOSE DOING WITH THIS
06:07:29 COUNCIL.
06:07:29 IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOT OF FORESEEABILITY, BECAUSE
06:07:34 WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY IN TERMS
06:07:37 OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE TO PROCEED, BUT WE DO HAVE TO
06:07:40 KEEP THE CORE FUNCTIONS OF CITY COUNCIL MOVING WITHOUT A
06:07:44 DOUBT.
06:07:44 MR. SHELBY, IF YOU WISH TO OPINE, SIR.
06:07:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH PAT
06:07:55 GLEASON FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THIS MORNING BY
06:07:58 TELEPHONE.
06:08:00 SHE'S CALLING FROM TALLAHASSEE.
06:08:01 WE DISCUSSED THE DIFFERENT KIND OF ISSUES -- THE MULTIPLE
06:08:05 ISSUES THAT ARE RAISED BY THESE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
06:08:10 CITY COUNCIL AND EVERYBODY IS FACING.
06:08:12 YOU DO HAVE PROVISIONS FOR EMERGENCY MEETINGS OF COUNCIL.
06:08:17 I HAD NOT BEEN BRIEFED, SO WHAT I'M HEARING TODAY IS THE
06:08:21 CONCEPT OF DELEGATING IT TO THE CHAIR AND AUTHORIZING HIM
06:08:24 TO, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THE DECISION
06:08:30 AS TO WHETHER TO CANCEL A REGULAR MEETING.
06:08:36 THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
06:08:39 I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT PRECLUDES IT.
06:08:41 I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING IN THE LAW THAT PRECLUDES IT
06:08:45 MYSELF.
06:08:45 BUT I WILL SAY THIS.
06:08:47 WHAT IS THE ISSUE OF CANCELING, PARTICULARLY QUASI-JUDICIAL
06:08:51 MATTERS, REQUIRES NOTICE TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER,
06:08:55 PARTICULARLY SECOND READINGS.
06:08:57 I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THE CLERK AS TO HOW MANY SECOND READS
06:09:00 YOU HAVE ON THERE.
06:09:01 IF THERE'S ANY CONTINUED ITEMS, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE
06:09:04 CONTINUED BY CITY COUNCIL TO A DATE OR A TIME CERTAIN TO
06:09:07 ALLOW FOR PROPER NOTICE, OTHERWISE THE ITEM HAS TO BE
06:09:12 RENOTICED.
06:09:13 SO THE ISSUE --
06:09:16 >>BILL CARLSON: NEXT WEEK IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
06:09:18 NEXT WEEK I THINK IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
06:09:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
06:09:22 IT'S NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL?
06:09:24 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'M GLAD MR. SHELBY REMINDED ME.
06:09:27 THAT WAS SOMETHING I LOOKED AT AS WELL.
06:09:28 I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA, THERE ARE TWO REVIEW HEARINGS, AND
06:09:33 THERE ARE, I WANT TO SAY, FIVE SECOND READINGS, WHICH ARE
06:09:38 QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
06:09:41 SO THERE ARE SOME MATTERS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CONTINUED.
06:09:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW FIRST READINGS, NO VACATES TO YOUR
06:09:48 KNOWLEDGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
06:09:50 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I DIDN'T LOOK FOR THOSE.
06:09:52 I LOOKED FOR ONES DESIGNATED AS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
06:09:54 >>LUIS VIERA: ARE YOU FINISHED, SIR?
06:09:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY LAST STATEMENT WOULD BE THAT OBVIOUSLY
06:10:01 THERE ARE RAMIFICATIONS AND MAYBE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
06:10:04 THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS A RESULT OF THIS.
06:10:08 BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A CONTINUING PROCESS, AND WE'RE GOING
06:10:10 TO BE DEALING WITH THINGS WE AS A CITY AND OTHER CITIES
06:10:13 THROUGHOUT THE STATE HAVE NOT DEALT WITH BEFORE, FRANKLY, TO
06:10:16 THIS DEGREE.
06:10:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY POLICIES
06:10:21 ALREADY IN PLACE FOR STATE OF EMERGENCIES LOCALLY FOR THIS
06:10:25 COUNCIL TO MEET OR DO ANYTHING WHEN THINGS ARISE.
06:10:29 IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING?
06:10:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FRANKLY, SIR, YOU DO HAVE A PROCESS IN THE
06:10:33 RULES OF PROCEDURE, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ THEM, FOR
06:10:36 EMERGENCY MEETINGS.
06:10:37 I COULD PROVIDE THEM TO COUNCIL OR I COULD JUST READ THEM.
06:10:39 BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS, BRIEFLY, EMERGENCY MEETINGS OF THE
06:10:43 COUNCIL MAY BE CALLED AT ANY TIME BY THE CHAIR OF THE
06:10:46 COUNCIL, OR IN ABSENCE OF DISQUALIFICATION OF THE CHAIR, THE
06:10:49 CHAIR PRO TEM, AND SHALL BE NOTICED AND RECORDED IN
06:10:52 ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW.
06:10:53 BUT IN TERMS OF CASE LAW THAT SAYS BEST PRACTICES ARE 72
06:10:59 HOURS, TALKING WITH MS. GLEASON, SHE SAID BECAUSE IT'S
06:11:04 EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU STATE THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES,
06:11:08 THEY CAN BE VERY SHORT NOTICE.
06:11:09 EMERGENCY MEETING WITH VERY SHORT NOTICE.
06:11:12 WHAT IT SAYS IN NUMBER TWO, IT SAYS EMERGENCY MEETINGS SHALL
06:11:14 BE HELD FOR MATTERS OF AN URGENT NATURE REQUIRING IMMEDIATE
06:11:17 ACTION RELATING TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE OF THE
06:11:20 CITY WHERE POSTPONEMENT TO A TIME OF A REGULAR MEETING, IN
06:11:24 OTHER WORDS, WAITING UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY, WOULD RESULT IN
06:11:27 SERIOUS INJURY OR DAMAGE TO THE PERSON, GOVERNMENT OR
06:11:29 COMMUNITY DIRECTLY CONCERNED.
06:11:30 NO BUSINESS SHALL BE TRANSACTED AT AN EMERGENCY MEETING
06:11:35 EXCEPT THAT IN THE SPECIAL CALLED.
06:11:36 THAT WOULD LIMIT WHAT YOU COULD DO UNDER THE RULES.
06:11:38 AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT IF ANY ORDINANCE PASSED DURING AN
06:11:42 EMERGENCY MEETING, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
06:11:44 I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE WITH ALL THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING TODAY
06:11:46 TO REVIEW THE PROCEDURES THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE I BELIEVE
06:11:49 UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION IN YOUR CITY CODE RELATIVE TO
06:11:54 THE DECLARATIONS OF CITY EMERGENCY AND WHAT POWERS THAT
06:11:56 MIGHT GIVE TO CITY COUNCIL.
06:11:58 I'M NOT PREPARED TO OPINE ON THAT.
06:12:01 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:12:02 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:12:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:12:04 MARTY, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS KEEP THE CITY RUNNING.
06:12:10 THOSE CAN BE DONE VIA TELEPHONE WITH A QUORUM?
06:12:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR, AND WHAT WE CAN DO, THIS
06:12:20 OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO TAKE COORDINATION WITH CTTV AND THE
06:12:23 ADMINISTRATION.
06:12:24 TO REMIND YOU, THE CHARTER REQUIRES THAT THE MAYOR IS BARRED
06:12:28 FROM SIGNING ANY CONTRACT THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE
06:12:32 CITY COUNCIL.
06:12:32 SO UNTIL CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THOSE RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU DO
06:12:36 EVERY WEEK AT A REGULAR MEETING UNDER THE CONSENT DOCKET,
06:12:39 THE MAYOR CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.
06:12:40 IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CITY RUNNING IN THAT REGARD, YES, YOU
06:12:44 CAN DO THAT.
06:12:46 IT'S A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
06:12:47 IT'S NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL.
06:12:49 WE CAN ARRANGE FOR REMOTE PARTICIPATION.
06:12:52 WE CAN ALSO ALLOW, AS LONG AS A QUORUM IS PRESENT, DOESN'T
06:12:57 HAVE TO BE ALL COUNCIL, THE THREE WHO ARE NOT HERE, HEAVEN
06:13:01 FORBID THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO COME, CAN'T
06:13:04 COME IN, THEY CAN PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
06:13:07 I'VE ALSO TALKED WITH ATTORNEY GLEASON ABOUT THE CONCEPT
06:13:13 WHICH HAS BEEN RAISED PREVIOUSLY SEVERAL YEARS AGO ABOUT
06:13:16 REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY THE PUBLIC, PARTICULARLY IN
06:13:20 LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
06:13:21 AND WHEN YOU GET INTO QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS, WE HAVE A DUE
06:13:25 PROCESS AND WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES.
06:13:27 TO YOUR QUESTION EXACTLY, WE CAN PUT PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT
06:13:31 WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CONSENT DOCKET TO BE ABLE TO BE MOVED.
06:13:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.
06:13:40 AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ISSUES WE HAVE TO INQUIRE ON NEXT WEEK,
06:13:44 WHICH IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GETTING MEDICALLY, AS
06:13:47 WELL AS THE LEGAL PROCEDURES THAT WE CAN TAKE TO KEEP THIS
06:13:51 CITY COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD IN ITS PUBLIC BUSINESS AS
06:13:55 VIGOROUS AND AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN A ROBUST NATURE.
06:13:58 SO THAT'S WHAT I ENDEAVOR TO DO.
06:14:00 ANYONE ELSE?
06:14:02 AND -- YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:14:07 >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY OTHER THING ABOUT TONIGHT IS I
06:14:10 DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE ALREADY
06:14:12 SHOWN UP.
06:14:15 ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THIS THING WILL PROBABLY BE DRAGGED
06:14:19 OUT FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS BEFORE WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE
06:14:22 CLEAR.
06:14:23 I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY
06:14:26 WITH ALL THESE EVENTS BEING CANCELED, THE PLANES BEING
06:14:29 CANCELED AND EVERYTHING.
06:14:31 IF WE SLOW DOWN ALL THESE REAL ESTATE PROJECTS, IT COULD BE
06:14:34 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT THAT IF THEY DON'T HIT THE
06:14:36 CYCLE IN THE RIGHT WAY, THE ECONOMY COULD WIPE THEM OUT.
06:14:40 SO I WISH WE HAD SOME MECHANISM TO TRY TO MOVE THOSE
06:14:44 FORWARD.
06:14:45 I DON'T MIND COMING IN IF I'M NOT SICK, IF YOU ALL AREN'T
06:14:49 COMING IN SICK.
06:14:50 I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC'S ABILITY TO
06:14:53 PARTICIPATE.
06:14:54 AND SO IF WE COULD SORT THAT OUT, I THINK THE BEST WE COULD
06:14:57 KEEP MOVING THIS FORWARD OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WOULD BE
06:15:01 BETTER.
06:15:02 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THAT'S MY INTENT IS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD
06:15:04 AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE WILL ACQUIRE
06:15:06 IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN A WAY THAT BALANCES OUT PUBLIC SAFETY
06:15:11 ALONG WITH THE NEED OF THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL
06:15:14 AND CITY OF TAMPA MOVING FORWARD ON THE ISSUES YOU JUST
06:15:16 SPECIFIED.
06:15:17 I THINK WE CAN REACH THAT BALANCE, BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW GIVEN
06:15:20 THE INFORMATION THAT WE ARE ACQUIRING.
06:15:21 AGAIN, A STATE OF PUBLIC EMERGENCY WAS JUST DECLARED HERE
06:15:24 LOCALLY.
06:15:24 WE HAVE TO BALANCE THAT OUT WITH THE NEEDS OF THIS CITY
06:15:27 MOVING FORWARD.
06:15:28 I INTEND TO HELP REACH THAT BALANCE, BUT I THINK TONIGHT,
06:15:32 THOUGH, WE CERTAINLY SHOULD TAKE THESE HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE
06:15:34 AND CONTINUE THEM FORWARD.
06:15:37 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:15:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, AND I APOLOGIZE.
06:15:40 I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU GUYS HAD STARTED.
06:15:42 I WAS BACK THERE ON THE PHONE.
06:15:44 I APOLOGIZE.
06:15:46 I DID NOT HEAR WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS.
06:15:48 I WAS CLUED IN IN ADVANCE A LITTLE BIT WHAT DISCUSSION MIGHT
06:15:52 BE.
06:15:54 I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD CONTINUE TONIGHT'S
06:15:57 HEARINGS.
06:15:57 I'M ALL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT
06:16:02 APPEARS TO ME THAT THE PLAYERS ARE HERE.
06:16:05 IF WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED, WE'VE BEEN EXPOSED BECAUSE WE ARE ALL
06:16:12 HERE.
06:16:13 GOD FORBID WE SHOULD BE EXPOSED.
06:16:16 BUT ANYWAY, SO I FEEL LIKE AT LEAST FOR PURPOSES OF TONIGHT
06:16:19 I DON'T SEE ANY URGENT REASON TO NOT MOVE FORWARD AND GET
06:16:26 THESE OUT OF THE WAY.
06:16:28 KEEP THEM GOING, KEEP THEM IN THE HOPPER.
06:16:30 AS MR. CARLSON INDICATED, THEY ARE ALL IMPORTANT TO EACH
06:16:33 PARTICULAR APPLICANT.
06:16:34 THEY ARE IMPORTANT.
06:16:37 IF ANYBODY IS HERE IN OPPOSITION, CHANCES ARE THEY ARE HERE
06:16:42 ALSO BECAUSE NOBODY HAS TOLD THEM NOT TO BE HERE.
06:16:45 AGAIN, I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. SHELBY AND WITH
06:16:52 MS. GRIMES, OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AND CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEYS,
06:16:57 AND JUST DON'T FEEL ANY COMPELLING REASON NOT TO MOVE
06:17:00 FORWARD WITH TONIGHT.
06:17:02 IN REGARD TO NEXT THURSDAY, OUR REGULAR AGENDA, I DO AGREE
06:17:07 AS LONG AS THE SEVEN OF US ARE HEALTHY AND THE CLERK IS
06:17:10 HEALTHY AND THAT SORT OF THING, THE MOST CRITICAL PEOPLE ARE
06:17:15 HEALTHY, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY AND COME IN AND DO OUR
06:17:17 REGULAR AGENDA AND MAKE IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
06:17:21 PROBABLY ELIMINATING OR REDUCING A LOT OF STAFF REPORTS AT
06:17:27 THE ENDS OF THE MEETINGS.
06:17:28 WE ALWAYS HAVE TWO OR THREE HOURS OF STAFF REPORTS AND THAT
06:17:31 SORT OF THING.
06:17:33 OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY TEMPER THAT SO WE
06:17:36 DON'T HAVE PEOPLE FEELING THE NEED TO SIT THERE SIDE BY SIDE
06:17:40 IN A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT.
06:17:42 BUT I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE REGULAR
06:17:46 AGENDA FAIRLY QUICKLY AND MAKE SURE THE CITY BUSINESS
06:17:50 CONTINUES AS BEST WE CAN.
06:17:52 THOSE ARE MY TWO OPINIONS ON THAT.
06:17:54 IN REGARD TO THE THIRD ISSUE, WHICH IS THE FUTURE OF THE
06:17:58 ZONING HEARINGS AND THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS, I THINK THAT
06:18:02 BETWEEN MR. SHELBY, MS. GRIMES AND HER STAFF AND ALSO WITH
06:18:07 OUR TECHNICAL STAFF, I THINK THAT THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH
06:18:12 AN ALTERNATIVE MECHANISM PERHAPS WHEREBY EVEN IF THE
06:18:16 PETITIONERS ARE SHOWING UP, MAYBE MR. AND MRS. JONES ARE AT
06:18:20 HOME AND THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING, MAYBE THERE IS
06:18:23 A WAY FOR THEM TO CALL IN OR TO SKYPE IN AND GIVE US THEIR
06:18:26 OPINION ON THOSE PARTICULAR LAND USE PETITIONS.
06:18:29 SO THAT WAY WE CAN ACCOMPLISH KEEPING THESE LAND USE
06:18:33 PETITIONS GOING BUT AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE I SAY, IF PEOPLE
06:18:36 DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING DOWN, THEY STILL DESERVE SOME
06:18:39 LEVEL OF DUE PROCESS TO BE HEARD.
06:18:41 MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT ON FUTURE LAND USE MATTERS.
06:18:45 >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD SAY IN RESPONSE -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR
06:18:48 REMARKS, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER -- THIS IS A NARROWLY
06:18:53 TAILORED STEP THAT I'M PROPOSING.
06:18:55 I WILL BRING IT UP FOR A VOTE.
06:18:56 IF MY COLLEAGUES ON CITY COUNCIL DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU MAY
06:18:59 VOTE AGAINST THIS MOTION.
06:19:00 BUT I THINK TAKING THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT IF -- I FORGOT
06:19:04 WHAT WAS SAID, IF WE'RE SICK, WE'RE SICK.
06:19:06 IF WE GET IT, WE GET IT.
06:19:07 AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER,
06:19:11 BUT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT IS EQUIPPED WITH
06:19:14 THE INFORMATION THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
06:19:16 INFORMATION CONTINUES TO DEVELOP.
06:19:17 LOOK WHAT HAS JUST HAPPENED TODAY.
06:19:19 WE HAVE HAD A STATE OF PUBLIC EMERGENCY DECLARED HERE IN OUR
06:19:22 COUNTY.
06:19:23 WE ARE HAVING FESTIVITIES AND WHATNOT HERE CANCELED
06:19:26 THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:19:27 I THINK GOING FORWARD TONIGHT WOULD LEAD TO BAD PRECEDENT
06:19:30 AND SET A VERY, VERY BAD PUBLIC EXAMPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF
06:19:34 TAMPA UNTIL WE ARE EQUIPPED WITH MORE INFORMATION.
06:19:36 I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.
06:19:37 BUT REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE.
06:19:39 I RESPECT THAT.
06:19:40 I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
06:19:42 ANYONE ELSE?
06:19:45 >>THE CLERK: JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, AS FAR AS THE
06:19:48 DATE, APRIL 23rd, I'M ADVISED THERE MAY BE TEN PLAN
06:19:52 AMENDMENT HEARINGS AS WELL ON THAT AGENDA.
06:19:54 >>LUIS VIERA: TEN PLAN AMENDMENTS.
06:19:55 OKAY.
06:19:55 I GET IT.
06:19:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AT 5:00.
06:19:57 YOU COME IN AN HOUR EARLIER, UNLESS YOU WANT TO ALLOW MORE
06:20:01 TIME AND COME EVEN EARLIER.
06:20:03 >>LUIS VIERA: IS COUNCIL READY TO VOTE?
06:20:05 MY MOTION IS TO CONTINUE TONIGHT'S HEARINGS TO
06:20:11 APRIL 23rd -- WE PRESENTLY HAVE ONE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
06:20:19 ITEM -- GIVEN THE REASONS I'VE JUST STATED.
06:20:21 >>CATE WELLS: CATE WELLS, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
06:20:25 WITH REGARD TO THE PLAN AMENDMENTS WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE
06:20:27 FOR APRIL 23rd, THOSE WOULD START AT 5:00.
06:20:30 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SIX OF THE TEN RELATE TO PARKS, WHICH
06:20:32 THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN SEEING THOSE AMENDMENTS OVER TIME.
06:20:36 SO THEY WOULDN'T BE TEN PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENTS.
06:20:41 ONLY FOUR.
06:20:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ISSUE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT MOST
06:20:45 LIKELY WOULD BE TIME CONSUMING, IF THEY WOULD BE AT ALL,
06:20:48 WOULD BE IN THE FOUR PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENTS.
06:20:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE
06:20:55 COMMENT, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY -- IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU,
06:20:57 MR. CHAIR -- IN A MATTER OF WEEKS, SOMETHING MIGHT CHANGE
06:21:01 FOR THE POSITIVE.
06:21:01 I'M NOT THAT OPTIMISTIC.
06:21:03 I THINK THAT WE'RE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL.
06:21:07 I THINK IF WE GET OUT OF THIS IN A MATTER OF MONTHS WE'LL BE
06:21:10 LUCKY.
06:21:11 SO ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT AT LEAST SIX, SEVEN PETITIONERS
06:21:16 HERE WHO WANT TO TRY AND KEEP THEIR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD,
06:21:21 AGAIN, I DON'T SEE A COMPELLING REASON NOT TO.
06:21:25 AS I STATED, THE PEOPLE ARE HERE WITH THEIR PETITIONS.
06:21:28 IF ANYBODY IS COMING TO OBJECT, THEY ARE HERE, TOO.
06:21:31 WE'RE HERE.
06:21:32 EVERYBODY IS HERE.
06:21:33 I DON'T SEE A REASON NOT TO GO FORWARD.
06:21:36 >>LUIS VIERA: I DO WANT TO SAY, AND BEFORE COUNCILMAN GUDES,
06:21:39 I WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO VOTE AS YOU FEEL.
06:21:41 IF YOU VOTE AGAINST ME ON THIS, I GIVE YOU MY WORD OF HONOR.
06:21:45 I DO NOT CARE.
06:21:46 PLEASE VOTE YOUR HEART.
06:21:48 GO AHEAD, SIR.
06:21:48 I MEAN, I CARE, BUT, IN OTHER WORDS, I WON'T TAKE IT
06:21:52 PERSONALLY.
06:21:54 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I JUST WANTED TO ADD -- AND I APOLOGIZE
06:21:56 THAT WE'RE ALL JUMPING UP AND DOWN, BUT WE'VE ALL BEEN
06:21:58 LOOKING AT THESE ISSUES, AS HAS MR. SHELBY ALL DAY.
06:22:03 WITH REGARD TO TONIGHT, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW
06:22:06 IF EVERYONE KNOWS, CHARLIE FRAGO POSTED ON TWITTER THAT THIS
06:22:12 HEARING WAS LIKELY GOING TO BE CANCELED TONIGHT.
06:22:14 SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DIDN'T COME
06:22:17 BECAUSE THEY SAW THAT.
06:22:19 IN ADDITION, OUR OFFICE, BECAUSE WE HEARD WHAT WAS
06:22:25 HAPPENING, CALLED THE APPLICANTS, ATTORNEYS, OR
06:22:28 REPRESENTATIVES, SO A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY DIDN'T BRING
06:22:31 THEIR TEAMS WITH THEM TONIGHT.
06:22:32 I JUST WANTED TO ADVISE YOU OF THAT.
06:22:35 BEFORE I SIT DOWN, I WANT TO TIE A BOW ON THE LAST
06:22:38 DISCUSSION ABOUT NEXT WEEK.
06:22:39 JUSTIN REMINDED ME THAT IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER
06:22:41 QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT I MENTIONED THAT I SAW ON THE
06:22:44 AGENDA FOR NEXT THURSDAY MORNING'S HEARINGS, THERE'S ALSO A
06:22:48 BOND HEARING THAT WAS ADVERTISED AND NOTICED.
06:22:52 I DO THINK, AND I THINK MR. SHELBY SAID THIS AS WELL, THE
06:22:55 BEST PRACTICES WOULD BE FOR, AT A MINIMUM, A QUORUM TO SHOW
06:23:00 UP AND CONTINUE THE NOTICED HEARINGS IF WE HAVE TO, IF
06:23:03 YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH NEXT THURSDAY'S MEETING.
06:23:06 BUT, AGAIN, DON'T WAIT UNTIL THAT --
06:23:10 >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS EVER BEEN PUT UP
06:23:13 SAYING THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE CANCELED, JUST THAT A MOTION
06:23:15 WAS GOING TO BE MADE ASKING FOR THAT.
06:23:18 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HIS
06:23:22 TWEET.
06:23:22 BUT THE POINT BEING, HE DID PUT IT OUT THERE IN SOCIAL MEDIA
06:23:26 -- ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
06:23:27 SO WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
06:23:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I RESPOND TO ONE THING?
06:23:34 IN REGARD TO ANY PETITIONERS WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN CALLED AND
06:23:36 THAT SORT OF THING, OBVIOUSLY, THEY CAN ASK FOR A
06:23:39 CONTINUANCE IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD
06:23:41 INDIVIDUALLY.
06:23:42 SO I THINK THAT WOULD RESOLVE THAT, IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT,
06:23:45 MR. SHELBY.
06:23:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE PRESS HAD
06:23:50 SOMEHOW INDICATED TO THE PUBLIC --
06:23:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PRESS PART.
06:23:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW THAT.
06:23:55 OBVIOUSLY, IF SOMEBODY FEELS COMPELLED TO HAVE TO MAKE A
06:23:57 RECORD, THEY SHOULD DO SO IF THAT'S THEIR INTENT.
06:24:02 OBVIOUSLY, THESE ARE VERY UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES, AND THIS IS
06:24:08 AN EXTRAORDINARY THING THAT COUNCIL IS DOING IN RESPONSE TO
06:24:11 AN EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION.
06:24:12 I THINK THAT EVERYBODY WHO I'VE SPOKEN TO TODAY RECOGNIZES
06:24:17 THAT, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE.
06:24:20 SO THAT BEING THE CASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I SHOULD ALSO REMIND
06:24:25 YOU GOING FORWARD, COUNCIL, THE TWO THINGS OVER WHICH YOU
06:24:27 HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF SCHEDULING ARE YOUR CEREMONIAL,
06:24:31 YOUR PRESENTATIONS, AND YOUR STAFF REPORTS.
06:24:34 SO THAT COULD BE DONE -- AND, BY THE WAY, THE WEEK FOLLOWING
06:24:39 THAT IS A WORKSHOP, MIND YOU, THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE
06:24:43 CALENDAR, IT IS QUITE IN NEED OF -- WELL -- I WAS GOING TO
06:24:51 USE THE WORD SCRUTINY.
06:24:52 IT'S UP TO COUNCIL WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.
06:24:55 AND THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY A
06:24:59 GOOD DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT PRESENTLY
06:25:02 BEING DONE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE HAVE TO FIND OUT
06:25:06 WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW FAST WE CAN DO IT.
06:25:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF,
06:25:12 AND I SAID, SELF, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE MEETING IF WE'RE
06:25:16 GOING TO CONTINUE IT.
06:25:17 YOU CAN'T CONTINUE SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER BEEN OPENED.
06:25:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S TRUE, SIR.
06:25:21 AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
06:25:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GOT THAT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF YBOR
06:25:24 CITY.
06:25:25 [ LAUGHTER ]
06:25:26 SO WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO, THIS SHOULD HAVE A ROLL CALL.
06:25:32 IT SHOULD HAVE AN OPENING OF THE MEETING, AND THEN THE
06:25:36 COUNCIL CAN VOTE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
06:25:37 THAT'S JUST MY FEELING.
06:25:39 NOBODY IS PAYING ME TO SAY THAT.
06:25:43 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD WE ALSO ASK IF THERE ARE ANY
06:25:46 PETITIONERS WHO ARE HERE WHO WOULD PREFER TO GO TONIGHT?
06:25:48 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
06:25:49 BEFORE WE TAKE VOTE, WE WILL NEED PUBLIC COMMENT, RIGHT,
06:25:52 MR. SHELBY?
06:25:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, BUT FOLLOWING THAT, IT WOULD BE WISE
06:25:56 TO DO WHAT MR. MIRANDA SUGGESTS.
06:26:00 >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, BECAUSE IF WE'RE
06:26:01 LOOKING AT EXPEDITING TONIGHT, FRANKLY, BEFORE TAKING A
06:26:03 VOTE, BEFORE GETTING PUBLIC COMMENT ON A VOTE THAT MAY OR
06:26:06 MAY NOT PASS IS INQUIRING WITH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WHERE YOU
06:26:10 STAND.
06:26:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME FOR A SECOND.
06:26:13 ONE THING.
06:26:14 IF WE DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD
06:26:15 MUSHROOM, SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY BIG -- AND I UNDERSTAND
06:26:20 THE OTHER SIDE THAT THEY ARE HERE -- WHICH IS THE ONE THAT
06:26:23 WE'RE HURTING?
06:26:25 THE BIG PICTURE OR THE ONES THAT ARE HERE?
06:26:28 THE BIG PICTURE IS SOMEBODY MAY DIE.
06:26:32 WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT, BUT I'LL SAY IT.
06:26:34 I SAW TV LAST NIGHT AND IT WENT FROM THIS TO THIS TO THIS.
06:26:41 IF A MILLION DOLLARS IS A MILLION DOLLARS, I'LL GIVE YOU A
06:26:43 PENNY A DAY AND DOUBLE IT FOR 30 DAYS, DON'T TAKE THE
06:26:46 MILLION.
06:26:47 TAKE THE PENNY.
06:26:48 YOU'LL GET MORE MONEY.
06:26:49 IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, DO THE MATH.
06:26:52 IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THIS TYPE OF VIRUS.
06:26:54 WE EITHER GOING TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT.
06:26:57 BUT IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO CANCEL ONE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO
06:27:02 CANCEL NONE OF THEM.
06:27:05 I WON'T SHOW UP FOR THEM.
06:27:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN IN PUBLIC SAFETY,
06:27:11 PEOPLE GET SCARED WHEN THEY HEAR BAD THINGS.
06:27:15 PEOPLE GET SCARED WHEN THEY HEAR BAD THINGS.
06:27:20 MY MIDDLE BROTHER WHO I RARELY HEAR FROM CALLS ME.
06:27:24 HE SAYS, I KNOW YOU'RE A SINGLE GUY, BUT I NEED TO MAKE SURE
06:27:29 YOU'RE PREPARED, YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED.
06:27:31 CANNED GOODS.
06:27:32 MY BROTHER IS CALLING ME.
06:27:34 HE MUST BE REALLY SCARED.
06:27:36 SO I SAID TO THE CHAIRMAN, I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
06:27:39 I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
06:27:44 WE DON'T KNOW TO KNOW.
06:27:46 EVERY HOUR, THINGS ARE CHANGING.
06:27:49 I'VE HAD SEVERAL FRIENDS FROM OTHER PLACES CALL ME, WHAT DO
06:27:52 YOU THINK?
06:27:54 SHOULD WE NOT HAVE THIS GALA?
06:27:56 I TELL THEM, YOU MUST HAVE YOURSELF ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.
06:28:03 I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS TRYING TO DO TO MAKE
06:28:05 SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S
06:28:11 GOING ON.
06:28:12 WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO IS FINE, BUT I'M
06:28:16 AVAILABLE NO MATTER WHAT, BUT IF MR. CHAIRMAN FEELS IN HIS
06:28:21 HEART THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS AT STAKE FOR THIS EVENING, I
06:28:24 WILL SUPPORT HIM.
06:28:25 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:28:26 LET ME ALSO INDICATE I'M ALSO CANCELING INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC
06:28:29 MEETINGS THAT I HAVE.
06:28:31 I HAVE A MARCH 24th MEETING WITH EQUAL JUSTICE INITIATIVE
06:28:33 THAT WE'RE CANCELING.
06:28:34 A SMALL MEETING WITH MAYBE 20 OR SO NEW TAMPA RESIDENTS NEXT
06:28:38 WEEK THAT I'M GOING TO SEEK TO CANCEL AS WELL.
06:28:41 IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY.
06:28:43 MR. SHELBY, BEFORE TAKING A VOTE, DO WE NEED TO GET PUBLIC
06:28:47 COMMENT, SIR?
06:28:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT --
06:28:49 WELL, THE THING IS, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, IF THE
06:28:52 MOTION IS MADE TO INTEND TO DO THAT, TO CONTINUE THEM,
06:28:56 RATHER THAN THE MOTION BEING TO CONTINUE THEM, IF YOU WANT
06:28:59 TO GET A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL BEFORE MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN
06:29:02 DO THAT, OR YOU CAN FOLLOW -- IT'S TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
06:29:06 BUT MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO FOLLOW MR. MIRANDA'S SUGGESTION
06:29:08 AND JUST RIGHT NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, DO THE
06:29:12 HOUSEKEEPING, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO THAT COME OFF THE AGENDA
06:29:15 FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, ASK STAFF TO DO THAT, TAKE THAT
06:29:18 ACTION.
06:29:19 AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT COUNCIL'S DECISION IS GOING TO BE
06:29:21 WITH REGARD TO THE REMAINDER.
06:29:22 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:29:23 LET'S DO THAT.
06:29:24 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS?
06:29:26 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:29:27 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:29:28 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:29:32 ANY OPPOSED?
06:29:32 GO AHEAD AND STAND UP IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING HERE
06:29:34 TONIGHT AND PREPARE TO BE SWORN IN.
06:29:37 IF YOU ASPIRE TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
06:29:42 [OATH ADMINISTERED BY THE CLERK]
06:29:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:29:46 OKAY.
06:29:46 WHAT ARE THE TWO ITEMS WE HAVE TO HAVE REMOVED, SIR?
06:29:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE
06:29:50 DOING ALL THE HOUSEKEEPING, THERE MAY BE ITEMS THAT HAVE
06:29:52 BEEN AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION IN CITY COUNCIL'S
06:29:55 OFFICES.
06:29:56 DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT?
06:29:57 I ASK THAT THOSE BE RECEIVED AND FILED INTO THE RECORD.
06:30:00 >>LUIS VIERA: HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
06:30:02 MOVED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:30:03 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:30:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:30:08 ANY OPPOSED?
06:30:10 >>RYAN MANASSE: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
06:30:10 RYAN MANASSE, PLANNING DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
06:30:12 ITEM 1 ON YOUR AGENDA CANNOT BE HEARD BECAUSE THEY DID NOT
06:30:15 PERFECT NOTICE.
06:30:15 THAT CAN BE REMOVED FROM TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
06:30:17 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE?
06:30:20 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:30:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:30:26 ANY OPPOSED?
06:30:26 NEXT.
06:30:26 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 8, THERE WAS A WITHDRAWN LETTER
06:30:28 I SUBMITTED TO MR. SHELBY.
06:30:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I'M SUBMITTING TO THE CLERK.
06:30:28 >>RYAN MANASSE: A REQUEST FOR WITHDRAWAL.
06:30:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO ALLOW NUMBER 8 TO WITHDRAW.
06:30:33 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:30:35 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:30:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:30:39 ANY OPPOSED?
06:30:39 NOW THAT WE CLEARED THAT OFF, DO WE TAKE MY MOTION,
06:30:41 MR. SHELBY?
06:30:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
06:30:44 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THAT?
06:30:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS THE CHAIR'S PREROGATIVE.
06:30:52 IT'S COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE.
06:30:52 IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL AS IF THEY WANT TO MAKE AN
06:30:54 OBJECTION FOR THE RECORD --
06:30:54 >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL TAKE IT.
06:30:55 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
06:30:55 I THINK THAT IS THE RESPONSIBLE PROFESSIONAL THING TO DO.
06:30:57 WHAT I WOULD ASK THE PUBLIC IS IF YOU WILL BE COMMENTING ON
06:31:00 THIS TO MOVE BRIEFLY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH AT
06:31:04 LEAST MY PROPOSED INTENDED PURPOSE.
06:31:07 IF YOU'RE COMING FORWARD, NOW IS THE TIME TO COMMENT ON THE
06:31:09 MOTION.
06:31:11 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
06:31:15 JOHN GRANDOFF, SUITE 3700, BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA, ON BEHALF
06:31:20 OF THE PETITIONER, I BELIEVE ON ITEM NUMBER 2 THIS EVENING.
06:31:23 MS. WELLS EXTENDED ME A COURTESY OF A PHONE CALL THIS
06:31:27 AFTERNOON EXPLAINING THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION AND ASKING
06:31:31 WHAT OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE.
06:31:34 IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE OUR
06:31:36 HEARING THIS EVENING.
06:31:37 I'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION THAT'S INVOLVED
06:31:39 AND ALSO COUNSEL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYONE IS IN
06:31:42 AGREEMENT TO CONTINUE.
06:31:43 WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APRIL 23, IF THAT'S THE COUNCIL'S
06:31:47 PLEASURE.
06:31:48 IF IT'S A LATER DATE, THAT WOULD ALSO BE FINE.
06:31:50 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:31:51 WE'LL MOVE FOR THAT CONTINUANCE, SIR, ONCE WE'RE FINISHED
06:31:54 WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
06:31:55 THANK YOU, SIR.
06:31:56 ANYONE ELSE HERE TO COMMENT?
06:31:57 OKAY.
06:31:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:31:59 MR. GRANDOFF, WHAT ITEM WAS THAT, SIR?
06:32:03 >> NUMBER 2 ON THE AGENDA.
06:32:04 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:32:05 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE NUMBER 2 TO APRIL 23rd?
06:32:08 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:32:09 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:32:11 AT 6 P.M.
06:32:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: INCLUDE THE TIME IN ALL YOUR MOTIONS.
06:32:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
06:32:16 6 P.M.
06:32:17 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:32:18 ANY OPPOSED?
06:32:19 THANK YOU.
06:32:19 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:32:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DO SEE SOME OTHER PETITIONERS OR THEIR
06:32:24 REPRESENTATIVES HERE, AND THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING
06:32:27 UP TO SPEAK.
06:32:28 >> MARILYN HEALY.
06:32:31 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE MS. HEALY SPEAKS, AGAIN, WHAT
06:32:34 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID IS TRUE.
06:32:36 AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON MY MOTION THAT I
06:32:39 WILL BE MAKING TO CONTINUE HEARINGS UNTIL APRIL 23rd.
06:32:42 PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME AS WE WISH TO HEAR FROM
06:32:44 YOU.
06:32:45 SPEAK BRISKLY BUT DO SPEAK.
06:32:47 >> I'LL BE REALLY QUICK.
06:32:48 WE WOULD LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT ON OUR ITEM, CERTAINLY
06:32:52 UNDERSTANDING THE GRAVITY THAT YOU GUYS ARE FACING WITH ALL
06:32:55 OF THIS.
06:32:58 MINE IS UNOPPOSED AND IT WOULD BE NICE NOT TO HAVE TO WAIT
06:33:01 ANOTHER MONTH.
06:33:02 WHATEVER YOU DECIDE WE'LL LIVE WITH.
06:33:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. HEALY, WE KNOW YOUR NAME, BUT IF YOU
06:33:07 COULD GIVE IT TO THE CLERK FOR THE RECORD.
06:33:08 >> MARILYN MULLEN HEALY, AKERMAN.
06:33:11 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
06:33:11 NEXT.
06:33:14 >> KEVIN ROBLES, 2107 CHESTNUT FOREST DRIVE, PETITIONER ON
06:33:18 TWO ITEMS THIS EVENING.
06:33:19 I OBJECT TO THE CONTINUANCE AND WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD
06:33:29 TONIGHT.
06:33:29 THANK YOU.
06:33:30 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
06:33:31 ANYBODY ELSE HERE WISH TO COMMENT PUBLICLY ON THE PROPOSED
06:33:35 MOTION TO CONTINUE HEARINGS TO APRIL 23rd?
06:33:37 IF SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AS WE WISH TO HEAR FROM YOU.
06:33:42 >> GOOD EVENING.
06:33:43 BRENDA LINDSEY, NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
06:33:46 I WILL NOT BE RETURNING TO ANY COUNCIL MEETINGS UNTIL THIS
06:33:50 WHOLE THING IS OVER.
06:33:51 I CAME TONIGHT, BUT I DID GET A NOTICE THAT THE MEETING WAS
06:33:55 CANCELED.
06:33:56 SO I CAME TONIGHT TO FIND OUT FOR SURE.
06:33:58 BUT IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING, I HAVE A COMPROMISED IMMUNE
06:34:04 SYSTEM.
06:34:04 I WON'T BE BACK.
06:34:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORDS, MA'AM.
06:34:07 WE APPRECIATE IT.
06:34:08 ANYONE ELSE?
06:34:09 I WILL PASS THE GAVEL TO OUR ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN
06:34:14 MIRANDA.
06:34:15 I HEREBY MAKE MY MOTION.
06:34:17 I HEREBY MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE ITEMS TONIGHT TO
06:34:23 APRIL 23rd OF 2020 AT 6 P.M.
06:34:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY NAME ALL THE
06:34:33 ITEMS OR DO IT IN GENERAL?
06:34:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD SUGGEST THE ITEMS -- I THINK
06:34:44 BECAUSE OF THE CONTROL BOOTH, WE'RE DUELING WITH EACH OTHER.
06:34:47 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE HEARING YOU
06:34:50 DESIGNATE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER
06:34:55 MATTER THAT'S ACTUALLY LEGISLATIVE AND A STAFF REPORT.
06:34:58 IT WOULD BE ITEMS -- 2 IS DONE ALREADY, IS THAT CORRECT?
06:35:05 2 IS DONE.
06:35:05 IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO 2, ITEMS 3, 4, 5 WAS WITHDRAWN,
06:35:12 6, 7, AND 8.
06:35:14 >>LUIS VIERA: 8 IS GONE, I BELIEVE.
06:35:16 >> 5 IS NOT WITHDRAWN.
06:35:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, 8 -- 8 IS WITHDRAWN.
06:35:21 FORGIVE ME.
06:35:22 8 IS WITHDRAWN.
06:35:23 IS IT NECESSARY FOR US TO NAME THE FILE NUMBERS FOR THE
06:35:29 PURPOSES OF THE RECORD OR JUST REFER TO THE AGENDA?
06:35:32 I THINK THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN JUST REFER TO THE
06:35:35 PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH 3, 4, 5, 6, AND 7, WITH 2 ALREADY BEING
06:35:44 DONE.
06:35:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA,
06:35:51 SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
06:35:54 THE MOTION, IN ESSENCE, IS THE CONTINUATION TO APRIL THE
06:35:57 23rd, THE YEAR 2020 AT 6 P.M., THE FOLLOWING ITEMS 2, 3,
06:36:03 4, 5, 6, 7 -- ARE WE GOING TO DO 8 OR PUT 8 IN IT?
06:36:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 8 WAS WITHDRAWN.
06:36:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE
06:36:16 GOING TO BE WITHDRAWN TO APRIL THE 23rd.
06:36:18 WHAT ABOUT NUMBER 9?
06:36:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CONTINUED.
06:36:21 WE HAVE TO TAKE UP NUMBER 9 SEPARATELY.
06:36:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THOSE ARE THE ITEMS I JUST MENTIONED THAT
06:36:25 ARE TODAY'S IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL THAT ARE FOR THE REZONING
06:36:29 MATTERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
06:36:30 I HAVE A MOTION AGAIN BY MR. VIERA, SECOND BY MR. GUDES.
06:36:34 ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
06:36:37 OPPOSED NAY.
06:36:38 THE MOTION PASSES 4-2.
06:36:43 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND CARLSON
06:36:45 VOTING NO AND MANISCALCO BEING ABSENT.
06:36:48 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:36:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:36:49 I WANT TO SAY AGAIN FOR THAT MOTION I APPRECIATE THE VOTE
06:36:55 AND INCLUDING THE OPINIONS OF EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS ISSUE
06:36:58 BECAUSE REASONABLE MINDS CAN DISAGREE, ESPECIALLY ON THIS
06:37:00 ISSUE.
06:37:01 THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY BLACK OR WHITE.
06:37:03 IT'S GRAY.
06:37:05 SO I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS, AND I MEAN THAT 110%.
06:37:07 NOW, MR. SHELBY, DID I HAVE TO TAKE UP THESE MOTIONS ON --
06:37:12 LET'S SEE -- RESCIND THE PREVIOUS MOTION ON MARCH 5th TO
06:37:15 CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS?
06:37:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, BECAUSE YOU SENT OUT A MEMO INTENDING
06:37:23 TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION, SO YOU WANT TO HOLD IT IN ABEYANCE
06:37:28 UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE UP YOUR OTHER MOTION.
06:37:30 SO IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO REMOVE THAT.
06:37:32 >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S DO MOTIONS, REPORTS, ET CETERA.
06:37:34 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ANYTHING, SIR?
06:37:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAIT A SECOND.
06:37:37 BEFORE WE CLOSE THAT UP, WHAT I MEAN IS I SUGGEST YOU MAKE
06:37:40 THAT MOTION --
06:37:43 >>LUIS VIERA: BEFORE THAT.
06:37:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU SAYING WHETHER TO DO IT UNDER
06:37:46 INFORMATION REPORTS OR NEW BUSINESS?
06:37:48 I SEE.
06:37:48 MY QUESTION TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN IS DO YOU WANT TO TAKE UP
06:37:51 ITEM 9 NOW?
06:37:54 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
06:37:55 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 9?
06:37:57 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:38:00 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:38:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE A DATE FOR THAT?
06:38:05 >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT WOULD BE THE DATE FOR THAT?
06:38:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THE QUESTION IS, TO REMIND COUNCIL,
06:38:11 THIS WAS THE ITEM WHERE COUNCIL WAS GOING TO RESCHEDULE WHAT
06:38:18 IS SCHEDULED PRESENTLY, UNLESS A MOTION IS MADE, FOR MARCH,
06:38:25 THE WORKSHOP, AS A TWO-HOUR ITEM.
06:38:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CONTINUE ITEM 9 TO THE 19th REGULAR
06:38:33 MORNING AGENDA.
06:38:34 >>LUIS VIERA: 19TH OF WHAT?
06:38:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MARCH.
06:38:34 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER,
06:38:37 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:38:39 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:38:40 ANY OPPOSED?
06:38:42 I'LL TAKE UP THE OTHER MOTIONS AT THE END, SIR.
06:38:44 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ANYTHING, SIR?
06:38:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A FOLLOW-UP TO WHAT I WAS SAYING.
06:38:49 PROBABLY DON'T NEED A MOTION.
06:38:51 MR. SHELBY, MS. GRIMES, AND THE REST OF THE STAFF LOOK AT
06:38:55 THESE QUASI-JUDICIAL CASES IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IF WE'RE --
06:39:00 THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE WE CAN HOLD THEM, BUT IF THE
06:39:05 PUBLIC DOESN'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT COMING, LIKE THAT YOUNG LADY
06:39:08 WHO JUST SAID THAT AT THE MICROPHONE, SHE'S NOT COMING BACK,
06:39:11 THAT WE POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVE WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO
06:39:14 GIVE THEIR INPUT WITHOUT STOPPING PROGRESS IN REZONINGS.
06:39:21 IT'S NOT EVEN A MOTION.
06:39:22 IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
06:39:23 >>LUIS VIERA: A FINE SUGGESTION.
06:39:24 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
06:39:26 THANK YOU, SIR.
06:39:27 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:39:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAD A FINE YOUNG LADY WHO WAS A GOOD,
06:39:32 DEAR FRIEND.
06:39:33 SHE RAN ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS IN THE CITY, MULTIPLE PROGRAMS.
06:39:36 BROUGHT HOME TWO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
06:39:39 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, MS. LATRICE TRACY DAWKINS, COMMUNITY
06:39:44 ENGAGEMENT, HELPING ATHLETICISM, COPELAND PARK NORTH END OF
06:39:52 TOWN, AND WOODLAND TERRACE PLAYGROUND WITH THE PROGRAM SHE
06:39:56 INSTITUTED.
06:39:56 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION POSTHUMOUSLY.
06:39:59 HER SERVICE IS ON SATURDAY, MARCH 14.
06:40:04 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:40:05 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:40:08 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:40:09 ANY OPPOSED?
06:40:10 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
06:40:11 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:40:12 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:40:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: A FEW MONTHS AGO, I HAD A FINE YOUNG MAN
06:40:16 SHADOW ME HERE.
06:40:17 HIS NAME IS MR. CHARLIE WHITE.
06:40:19 HE WAS COMING DOWN HERE TO WATCH US.
06:40:21 CHARLIE, WAVE, SAY HELLO.
06:40:24 THANK YOU, CHARLIE.
06:40:25 NOTHING FURTHER, MR. CHAIR.
06:40:27 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN --
06:40:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE ONE -- [OFF MICROPHONE] --
06:40:32 ASKING FOR A MOTION TO SET A PLAN AMENDMENT ADOPTION FOR
06:40:34 TA/CPA 19-07E,
06:40:38 TA/CPA 19-13,
06:40:41 TA/CPA 19-14A,
06:40:45 TA/CPA 19-14B,
06:40:50 TA/CPA 19-14C,
06:40:53 TA/CPA 19-14D,
06:40:58 TA/CPA 19-14E,
06:41:02 TA/CPA 19-14F,
06:41:05 TA/CPA 19-14G,
06:41:09 AND TA/CPA 19-16, ON THE EVENING OF APRIL 23rd AT 5:01.
06:41:16 >>LUIS VIERA: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:41:18 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:41:19 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:41:21 ANY OPPOSED?
06:41:21 ANYTHING ELSE?
06:41:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT LIKING CPAs TOO MUCH NOW.
06:41:25 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
06:41:27 YES, SIR.
06:41:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS MORNING AT THE CRA MEETING, WE LEFT A
06:41:33 PERSON OUT I MADE MENTION TO, MR. MALCOLM KINER, WHO WAS OUR
06:41:37 WEST TAMPA CRA MANAGER.
06:41:38 HE DID ONE HECK OF A JOB THE TIME HE WAS HERE DEALING WITH
06:41:41 THE FOLKS OVER AT WEST TAMPA, MR. ROBINSON AND SO FORTH.
06:41:44 I WOULD LIKE TO DO A COMMENDATION TO MALCOLM FOR A GREAT JOB
06:41:47 DONE.
06:41:48 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
06:41:48 ARE YOU DOING THAT ON YOUR OWN OR IN COUNCIL?
06:41:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE'LL DO IT COUNCIL.
06:41:54 WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DATE WE CAN BE HERE.
06:41:56 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:41:58 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:42:01 ANY IN FAVOR?
06:42:03 ANY OPPOSED?
06:42:03 ANYTHING OTHER MOTIONS, GENTLEMEN?
06:42:04 OKAY.
06:42:04 JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IF I MAY, AND I'LL PASS THE GAVEL TO
06:42:05 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:42:06 I MOTION TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS MOTION MADE ON MARCH 5th
06:42:08 TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS IN THE COUNCIL RULES OF
06:42:10 PROCEDURE THAT WOULD SCHEDULE STAFF REPORTS AND UNFINISHED
06:42:13 BUSINESS FOR 10:30 A.M.
06:42:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
06:42:19 SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
06:42:24 ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
06:42:27 OPPOSED NAY.
06:42:28 PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
06:42:30 >>LUIS VIERA: THEN I MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REPORTS, WHEN WE
06:42:33 DO HAVE CITY COUNCIL IN NORMALCY, SO TO SPEAK, AT 1:30 P.M.,
06:42:39 BEGINNING, GOODNESS WILLING, NEXT WEEK, MARCH 19, 2020, AND
06:42:41 DIRECT THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO ADD THIS NOTICE TO THE ADDENDUM
06:42:44 OF REGULAR MEETINGS UNTIL THE RESOLUTION TAKES EFFECT AND
06:42:47 THE AGENDA IS OFFICIALLY AMENDED.
06:42:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA,
06:42:51 SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
06:42:54 DISCUSSION?
06:42:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
06:42:57 DID YOU ALL DISCUSS THIS BEFORE?
06:42:59 >>LUIS VIERA: I BELIEVE I SENT OUT A MEMO ON THIS, CORRECT?
06:43:03 I'LL EXPLAIN IT IF YOU'D LIKE, COUNCILMAN.
06:43:06 WE PREVIOUSLY WERE HAVING STAFF REPORTS AT 10:30 IN THE
06:43:09 MORNING.
06:43:09 THE EFFECT OF THAT HAS BEEN TO MOVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, LIKE
06:43:14 THE ONES WE JUST HAD TO MOVE THIS EVENING, THAT ARE SUPPOSED
06:43:16 TO BEGIN AT 9:30, 10:30, ET CETERA, GOING FORWARD ALL THE
06:43:19 WAY TO 1:00, 2:00 AND PEOPLE HAVING TO WAIT A VERY, VERY
06:43:23 LONG TIME.
06:43:23 I THOUGHT IT WISER TO MAYBE LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE OF DOING
06:43:26 10:30 STAFF CERTAIN TIME FOR STAFF REPORTS AND MOVING IT TO
06:43:31 1:30 SO THAT WE CAN GET OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS OUT OF THE WAY.
06:43:34 IF WE FINISH IT PRIOR TO THAT, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY HEAR
06:43:37 THE STAFF REPORTS BEFORE THAT, BUT THAT PLACES AN EMPHASIS
06:43:40 ON THESE PREVIOUSLY SET AND SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR
06:43:43 WHICH INDIVIDUALS ARE PAYING REPRESENTATIVES, ATTORNEYS,
06:43:46 ET CETERA, TAKING TIME OFF OF WORK AND HAVING TO WAIT HERE
06:43:49 TWO, THREE, FOUR HOURS BEYOND THE TIME IN WHICH IT WAS
06:43:52 PREVIOUSLY NOTICED AND SET.
06:43:53 I THINK IT'S A SMALL MOVEMENT ON THE PART OF COUNCIL THAT I
06:43:56 THINK DOES A LOT TO ACCOMMODATE AND HELP THE PUBLIC.
06:44:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION TO MR. SHELBY
06:44:02 IS, IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA SET FOR 1:30, THEN YOU'RE SAYING
06:44:07 YOU CAN SLIDE IT EARLIER AND MR. SHELBY -- I THOUGHT YOU'RE
06:44:11 ALWAYS SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO SLIDE THINGS EARLIER.
06:44:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE IT WAS BY THE
06:44:18 CHAIR'S DIRECTION WITH COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS TO MOVE STAFF
06:44:22 REPORTS.
06:44:22 YOU CAN MOVE STAFF REPORTS -- UNDER THE APPROVAL OF THE
06:44:25 AGENDA, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU PUT IT ON THE ADDENDUM, YOU
06:44:28 CAN REORDER YOUR BUSINESS ONCE IT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL.
06:44:32 IT'S PRESENTLY NOT LISTED FOR A TIME CERTAIN, I DON'T
06:44:35 BELIEVE AT ANY TIME, EXCEPT THE CLERK MAYBE PUT IT DOWN ON
06:44:38 THE AGENDA AS A COURTESY, BUT IT CERTAINLY APPEARS ON THE
06:44:41 ADDENDUM AND THE CHAIR ALWAYS LETS PEOPLE KNOW.
06:44:44 STAFF REPORTS ARE NOT LIKE QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS.
06:44:47 QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS CANNOT BEGIN PRIOR TO THE TIME FOR
06:44:50 WHICH THEY ARE NOTICED.
06:44:51 THEY CAN ALWAYS BEGIN AFTERWARDS.
06:44:53 THIS CASE YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH LATER WE'RE DOING IT.
06:44:55 STAFF REPORTS CAN ALWAYS BE MOVED SUBJECT TO THE
06:44:58 ADMINISTRATION'S AVAILABILITY OF STAFF TO BE HERE TO MAKE
06:45:00 PRESENTATIONS.
06:45:01 WHAT HAPPENS IS, I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT IN THE MEMO, IF
06:45:05 YOUR MEETING DOES RUN EARLY, COUNCIL WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH
06:45:08 THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TIME FILLED AFTER
06:45:12 THE BUSINESS GOES UP TO THE LUNCH RECESS AND COUNCIL --
06:45:15 >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S TO GIVE PRIORITY TO THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS
06:45:17 THAT, AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE TAKING TIME OFF OF WORK FOR,
06:45:21 ET CETERA.
06:45:21 WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE.
06:45:22 WE WILL HAVE COMMENDATIONS AND CEREMONIAL SO THAT PEOPLE WHO
06:45:25 ARE HERE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL CAN GET THEIR TIME BEFORE
06:45:28 US AND HAVE IT IN A CALM MANNER, AND THEN IT PUTS LATER ON
06:45:32 IN THE AGENDA STAFF REPORTS WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US,
06:45:35 BUT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFERENCE TO THESE
06:45:40 HEARINGS.
06:45:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT JUST TO
06:45:41 CLARIFY YOUR COMMENT, MR. CHAIR, IN YOUR MEMO, YOU HAD
06:45:46 MENTIONED THAT IT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL INTENTION WHEN YOU MADE
06:45:50 THIS MEMO THAT YOU WERE GOING TO RAISE THIS ISSUE INITIALLY
06:45:53 TO COUNCIL, BUT BECAUSE OF THE EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES TONIGHT
06:45:57 AND THE EMERGENCY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT UP TODAY BUT
06:46:02 TO AT LEAST ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEMS WITH CITY COUNCIL AT
06:46:04 10:30, YOU AT LEAST WANT TO HANDLE THAT PART.
06:46:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS GOING TO BE LOOSE.
06:46:07 IT'S NOTHING THAT WILL BE ON FIRST READING, SECOND READING,
06:46:11 JUST TO PUT IT BEFORE COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I PROPOSE
06:46:13 DOING.
06:46:15 I DON'T LIKE TO ACT UNILATERALLY, AS WE ARE ALL COLLEAGUES
06:46:18 AND FRIENDS.
06:46:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT, THAT'S FINE, AS
06:46:21 LONG AS THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF IF OUR MEETING
06:46:25 IS GOING QUICKLY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT WE CAN GOOSE
06:46:29 THEM UP AND BE OUT PERHAPS BEFORE NOON AS A POSSIBILITY.
06:46:33 BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD URGE US ALL TO DO IS TO -- IT
06:46:40 TALKS ABOUT COMMENDATIONS AND CEREMONIAL, THEY JUST SEEM TO
06:46:45 GET SO LONG.
06:46:46 AND I WOULD URGE US TO DO TWO THINGS, NOT DO AS MANY
06:46:53 COMMENDATIONS, NUMBER ONE.
06:46:55 MAYBE IF YOU CAN DO THE COMMENDATION WHEREVER THEY ARE,
06:46:57 WHOEVER THEY ARE, GIVE IT OUT THERE, IF POSSIBLE.
06:47:01 NUMBER ONE.
06:47:01 AND NUMBER TWO IS, IN REGARD TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, I
06:47:07 RECALL A DAY WHEN WE SAID THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR
06:47:11 A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES, NOT THREE MINUTES FOR EVERYBODY AND
06:47:16 ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME.
06:47:17 BECAUSE, FRANKLY, AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE PUBLIC
06:47:23 COMMENTS, WE'RE HEARING THE SAME THING WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT
06:47:26 THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO OUR AGENDA, LIKE IT USED TO BE.
06:47:31 SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, 30 MINUTES, FIRST COME, FIRST
06:47:37 SERVED.
06:47:37 IF WE NEED TO TIGHTEN IT UP TO TWO MINUTES EACH SO MORE
06:47:41 PEOPLE CAN GET IN IN THAT 30 MINUTES.
06:47:43 I JUST THINK WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE
06:47:45 PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE JUST GOING WAY LONG.
06:47:46 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY ON YOUR FIRST POINT, COUNCILMAN, I
06:47:50 TRIED TO LIMIT -- AND I THINK I DID A MEMO ABOUT TEN MONTHS
06:47:52 AGO SUGGESTING THAT WE LIMIT COMMENDATIONS TO TWO A COUNCIL
06:47:57 MEETING, WHICH WE GENERALLY HAVE BEEN.
06:47:57 WITH ALL OF OUR RETIREMENTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND FOLKS
06:47:59 LEAVING, THAT'S WHAT HAS REALLY GOTTEN US OFF TRACK.
06:48:04 WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, I AGREE.
06:48:06 I DO GIVE, AS I THINK WE ALL DO, A LEVEL OF DEFERENCE TO THE
06:48:07 PUBLIC TO COME HERE.
06:48:08 IF THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND CALL US THE WORST THINGS IN
06:48:14 THE WORLD, SO LONG AS THEY DON'T BREAK PROTOCOL -- AND SOME
06:48:16 OF THEM DO, BY THE WAY, CALL US THE WORST THINGS IN THE
06:48:16 WORLD-- I THINK WE ALL GIVE THAT DEFERENCE AS THEY ARE
06:48:19 ENTITLED TO PETITION.
06:48:20 I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE TOLERANT ON THAT, I GUESS, IF YOU
06:48:23 WILL.
06:48:24 YOUR SENTIMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
06:48:26 I WILL SAY THAT, CERTAINLY.
06:48:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER
06:48:31 VIERA.
06:48:32 A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
06:48:34 ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
06:48:36 ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
06:48:38 OPPOSED NAY.
06:48:39 THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
06:48:41 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
06:48:41 ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCIL?
06:48:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
06:48:44 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:48:47 SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:48:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:48:50 ANY OPPOSED?
06:48:51 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
06:48:51 HAVE A GOOD ONE.
06:48:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE ADJOURNED.
06:48:53 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
06:48:53 [ADJOURNED]
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