TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JUNE 4, 2020
9:00 A.M.
TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER
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09:04:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
09:04:37 TO ORDER.
09:04:37 THIS IS OUR FIRST LIVE MEETING IN SEVERAL MONTHS BECAUSE OF
09:04:37 THE COVID 19 SITUATION.
09:04:37 YOU CAN SEE THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, CITY STAFF, OUR
09:04:45 LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, LEGISLATIVE AIDES
09:04:47 AND EVERYBODY ELSE INVOLVED, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS
09:04:49 SANITIZED AND SPREAD OUT THE 6-FOOT DISTANCING.
09:04:54 WE ARE FOLLOWING THAT PROTOCOL HERE AND OUTSIDE.
09:04:57 AFTER EACH SPEAKER, THE LECTERN WILL BE SANITIZED. WE
09:05:03 APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH BUT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN
09:05:05 TO TAKE ALL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY
09:05:09 INVOLVED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN MOVING FROM OLD CITY HALL TO
09:05:12 THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
09:05:14 SO AS WE BEGIN, WE USUALLY HAVE AN INVOCATION.
09:05:18 FOR NOW WHAT WE WILL DO IS HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
09:05:22 (MOMENT OF SILENCE)
09:05:31 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:32 AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:05:35 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:05:38 AND IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:05:53 >>THE CLERK: YES, CHAIR.
09:05:56 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:05:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:05:58 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:05:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:06:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:06:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:06:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:06:05 >> MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE
09:06:08 ADDENDUM TO THE AGENDA?
09:06:09 >> SO MOVED.
09:06:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO BE
09:06:15 CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 3 FOR TWO WEEKS, PLEASE.
09:06:17 I CAN TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER IF YOU LIKE.
09:06:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:06:21 IF WE CAN CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 3.
09:06:26 WE HAVE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.
09:06:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I SPOKE TO MR. BENNETT
09:06:33 ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY.
09:06:34 I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 11 AND 12 SO THEY CAN PUT AN
09:06:39 EXPLANATION ON THE RECORD OF THE BIG TICKET ITEM.
09:06:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:06:43 I HAVE THAT MARKED HERE.
09:06:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:06:47 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF REPORTS
09:06:50 REGARDING CITY'S ITEM NUMBER 35 BE CONTINUED FROM JUNE 4,
09:06:55 2020, TO SEPTEMBER 3rd, 2020 COUNCIL MEETING.
09:06:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:07:01 DID YOU GET ALL THAT?
09:07:03 ALL RIGHT.
09:07:04 SO AGAIN, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADDENDUM AND ALL THE
09:07:09 CHANGES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN MADE.
09:07:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
09:07:13 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE THOSE ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY.
09:07:16 BECAUSE THE APPROVAL OF THE ADDENDUM IS TO PLACE THOSE ITEMS
09:07:20 ON THE AGENDA.
09:07:21 YOU CAN EITHER TAKE THEM UP NOW.
09:07:22 I DIDN'T HEAR SPECIFIC SECONDS FOR THE MOTION.
09:07:25 SO IF YOU WISH TO TAKE THOSE INDIVIDUALLY AT THE APPROVAL --
09:07:29 >>> WHEN WE GET TO THESE ITEMS, WE'LL MOVE THOSE FORWARD.
09:07:33 ALL RIGHT?
09:07:36 A MOTION TO APPROVE A ADDENDUM AND THE AGENDA.
09:07:44 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:07:46 SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
09:07:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:07:49 ALL RIGHT.
09:07:49 BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT, CONSIDERING THE
09:07:52 CIRCUMSTANCES, THE SITUATION AND EVERYBODY WHAT IS
09:07:56 HAPPENING, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WISH
09:07:59 TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING,
09:08:01 TAKE A FEW MINUTES.
09:08:03 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN.
09:08:05 AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
09:08:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
09:08:10 THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THIS MORNING.
09:08:12 IT'S BEEN A TIME THAT OUR CITY, THE LAST SIX OR SIX OR SEVEN
09:08:18 DAYS, THINGS ARE OCCURRING.
09:08:20 I'M GETTING CALLS, COMPLAINTS, AND VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT AN
09:08:26 INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AT TGH.
09:08:30 AND GOT A RESPONSE BACK FROM THE MAYOR AND ACHIEVE ABOUT
09:08:35 THAT INCIDENT AT TGH, OR I HAVE ASKED.
09:08:38 IF THEY'RE WAS AN INCIDENT AT TGH, A GUNSHOT VICTIM, 22ND
09:08:45 AND CAYUGA.
09:08:47 FAMILY WENT TO TGH.
09:08:49 ONE OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS WAS TRYING TO KEEP CALM.
09:08:52 APPARENTLY ONE OF THE OFFICERS WAS ESCORTING THE GENTLEMAN
09:08:55 FROM THE AREA TO KEEP SOME OTHER FOLKS BEING CALM.
09:08:59 AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOME INCIDENT OCCURRED WHERE THE
09:09:02 YOUNG MAN HIS GLASSES WERE BROKEN, SOME OTHER ISSUES.
09:09:09 I WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT IT.
09:09:10 I CALLED THE CHIEF.
09:09:11 I DIDN'T GET A CALL BACK THAT DAY.
09:09:15 I GET A CALL THE NEXT MORNING.
09:09:17 HE DID RESPOND BACK TO DIANE HART'S CALL BECAUSE SHE CALLED
09:09:21 FIRST.
09:09:21 WE WERE TOGETHER.
09:09:23 AND SOME THINGS WERE NOT RIGHT.
09:09:27 I ASKED THE CHIEF AT THAT POINT IF THOSE OFFICERS THAT WERE
09:09:31 EFFECTED -- DIANE HART ASKED FOR THAT REQUEST AS WELL.
09:09:37 I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK.
09:09:38 WE NOTIFIED THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
09:09:41 THE MAYOR ADVISED SHE DID NOT KNOW THE INCIDENT YET.
09:09:44 ASKED HER THAT THOSE EFFECTIVE POLICIES THOSE OFFICERS BE
09:09:49 PLACED ON LEAVE UNTIL FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
09:09:51 I ALSO CALLED THE PBA AND SAID I WOULD DISCUSS THE FACT THAT
09:09:56 THOSE OFFICERS BE PUT ON LEAVE.
09:09:58 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS
09:10:00 TIME, MR. CHAIR, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A MOTION FORWARD
09:10:06 FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION FOR
09:10:09 COMMUNITY SAFETY, AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOT SOMETHING
09:10:12 MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, THAT WE KNOW WE ARE DOING
09:10:15 WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
09:10:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT, SIR?
09:10:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS
09:10:23 POINT IN TIME THAT THOSE OFFICERS BE PUT ON ADMINISTRATIVE
09:10:26 LEAVE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
09:10:28 I WOULD LIKE A RESPONSE BACK BY NEXT COUNCIL.
09:10:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT, MS.
09:10:34 GRIMES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT?
09:10:44 >>GINA GRIMES: CITY ATTORNEY.
09:10:47 MR. GUDES, I BELIEVE THE FIRST PART, THE WAY YOU PHRASED
09:10:50 YOUR MOTION TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION REPORT BACK TO YOU,
09:10:53 WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN DIRECTING THE SPECIFIC ACTION
09:10:58 YOU MENTIONED IN THE SECOND PARTLY OF YOUR MOTION AS TO WHAT
09:11:01 THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD DO.
09:11:02 AS YOU KNOW, THE CHARTER PROVIDES THAT THE SOLE
09:11:07 RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE PROPER ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY IS
09:11:10 WITH THE MAYOR.
09:11:11 SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD EXCEED YOUR SCOPE OF AUTHORITY,
09:11:15 BUT I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO
09:11:19 INVESTIGATE AND REPORT BACK TO THIS COUNCIL BY A DATE
09:11:21 CERTAIN.
09:11:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
09:11:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL SECOND MR. GUDES' MOTION IN PART.
09:11:31 I AGREE WITH MS. GRIMES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
09:11:34 ANYTHING ABOUT THE INCIDENT YOU ARE REFERRING TO.
09:11:36 SO AT THIS POINT, I FEEL COMFORTABLE GETTING A REPORT BACK.
09:11:40 IF THE REPORT SHOWS WHAT YOUR CONCLUSION SEEMS TO BE, THEN I
09:11:46 THINK, OF COURSE WITH MS. GRIMES ADVICE, I THINK WE COULD
09:11:51 MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF WHAT
09:11:54 THEIR ACTION MIGHT BE.
09:11:55 BUT AT THIS POINT, UNLESS MR. BENNETT WANTS TO GIVE US A
09:12:00 REPORT NOW SINCE HE'S NOT AT THE PODIUM, I WILL BE GLAD TO
09:12:05 SECOND YOUR MOTION FOR THAT.
09:12:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE YOU BEGIN, SIR, COUNCILMAN
09:12:09 MIRANDA --
09:12:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE HAVING SO TROUBLE BECAUSE THE
09:12:12 CORNER THE VIBRATION COMING IN DON'T HEAR TOO WELL.
09:12:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:12:18 WE NEED MORE VOLUME, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR.
09:12:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:12:22 CHIEF BENNETT.
09:12:23 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
09:12:26 JUST AS YOU ARE ENTERTAIN THE MOTION, I JUST WANT TO REMIND
09:12:30 COUNCILMAN GUDES' POINT, AND HE KNOWS THIS THROUGH WHAT MS.
09:12:34 GRIMES MENTIONED, THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A TIME
09:12:36 CERTAIN WHICH IS REASONABLE, THAT THE DUE PROCESS OF LAW
09:12:39 ENFORCEMENT AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS
09:12:43 INVESTIGATION ALL HAVE A TIME CERTAIN COMPONENTS TO THOSE.
09:12:46 SO I WOULD JUST ENTERTAIN IN THE MOTION THAT IT FOLLOWS THE
09:12:49 DUE PROCESS AND THEN OF COURSE AS SOON AS THE FINDINGS ARE
09:12:52 DONE THAT THEY ARE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL, JUST SO YOU CAN
09:12:55 FRAME THE TIME FRAME.
09:12:56 BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A LEGAL ASPECT OF THIS WHOLE
09:12:59 PROCESS.
09:12:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, I KNOW THE PROCESS VERY WELL.
09:13:07 COPS CAN BE PUT ON LEAVE WHILE THE INVESTIGATION IS GOING
09:13:09 ON.
09:13:10 THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROCESS.
09:13:14 UNTIL INTERNAL AFFAIRS, OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.
09:13:20 I WOULD TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND I BELIEVE AT THIS POINT
09:13:29 IN TIME THAT THE OFFICERS, THE --
09:13:34 >>> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:13:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A QUICK QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:13:41 IN AN ABBREVIATED REPORT BACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION JUST
09:13:44 TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE INCIDENT WAS, NOT TO COME TO ANY
09:13:47 CONCLUSIONS, BUT WHAT WOULD YOUR TIME FRAME BE?
09:13:51 IS TWO WEEKS SOON ENOUGH?
09:13:52 OR DO YOU WANT SOMETHING SOONER?
09:13:54 MR. GUDES.
09:13:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THEY CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION IN A
09:14:02 SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN REFERENCE TO PUTTING AN OFFICER ON
09:14:05 LEAVE, AND THE INVESTIGATION WILL STILL BE ONGOING.
09:14:08 I UNDERSTAND THERE IS AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION SO THAT IS
09:14:10 GOING ON.
09:14:16 AND ... THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
09:14:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE REPORT IN TWO
09:14:24 WEEKS, AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY REPORT?
09:14:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M OKAY WITH A REPORT IN TWO WEEKS.
09:14:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:14:31 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. IF THERE'S NO OTHER
09:14:34 DISCUSSION, MAY I HAVE --
09:14:38 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAY I CLARIFY THE --
09:14:43 >>THE CLERK: MAY I CLARIFY?
09:14:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
09:14:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM GUDES.
09:14:50 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
09:14:51 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:14:53 ALL RIGHT.
09:14:53 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:14:55 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE.
09:15:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT BOTHER ME.
09:15:10 COMMUNICATIONS IS ONE.
09:15:11 I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING BUT I DO THINK
09:15:19 CHIEF BENNETT HAS BEEN WORKING TRYING TO GET THIS
09:15:22 COMMUNICATION THING MOVING.
09:15:22 I STILL FEEL IT'S NOT MOVING FAST ENOUGH.
09:15:28 BUT WE CAN'T HAVE THE NATIONAL GUARD IF THEY ARE CALLED UP.
09:15:38 THE CURFEW.
09:15:43 YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO DO.
09:15:44 BUT I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS TO BE ADDRESSED ON ISSUES AND
09:15:50 WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE, AND PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME FOR
09:15:59 INFORMATION, AND I THINK ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD THAT
09:16:05 HAPPEN.
09:16:06 MYSELF, MR. CARLSON PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BEFORE, STILL
09:16:11 HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT BACK.
09:16:12 THEY ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT.
09:16:14 BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, COVID-19,
09:16:18 PROTESTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
09:16:19 BUT WE HAVE GOT TO FIND A SYSTEM THAT THIS COUNCIL IS AWARE,
09:16:24 SO WE DON'T BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND CAN'T ANSWER THE
09:16:30 COMMUNITY'S QUESTIONS.
09:16:31 SO I PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR LATER ON, AND FILTER THROUGH
09:16:38 THE CITY ATTORNEY.
09:16:41 CITY ATTORNEY HAS TWO HATS, THEY WORK FOR THE MAYOR, THEY
09:16:44 WORK FOR THIS COUNCIL, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
09:16:47 DOING WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE, AND WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS
09:16:56 THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.
09:16:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:16:58 COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WILL BEGIN WITH YOU.
09:17:00 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP TODAY AND
09:17:04 WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE.
09:17:06 NOW, THE GREAT TRAUMA THAT OUR CITY HAS SUFFERED THROUGHOUT
09:17:12 THE LAST FEW DAYS.
09:17:13 A LOT OF THAT TRAUMA, THE ANGER THAT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED HAS
09:17:16 BEEN BECAUSE OF TRAUMA, ANGER THAT HAS BEEN SUFFERING FOR
09:17:18 NOT A FEW DAYS BUT FOR MANY YEARS, MANY DECADES, MANY
09:17:22 CENTURIES, AND I THINK THAT ALL OF US ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
09:17:25 FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
09:17:26 IT'S NO SECRET THAT A GREAT DEAL OF THE DISTURBANCE AND THE
09:17:30 LOOTING THAT OCCURRED FOLLOWING THE PEACEFUL PROTESTS
09:17:34 OCCURRED IN MY DISTRICT OVER IN NORTH TAMPA, ON SATURDAY,
09:17:39 BEING AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ALWAYS LIKES TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE,
09:17:42 I WENT OUT TO FOWLER WHEN I HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO BE A
09:17:45 PEACEFUL PROTEST OUT THERE.
09:17:46 I SAW THE MAYOR THERE.
09:17:47 I SAW CHIEF DUGAN THERE.
09:17:49 I SAW A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION THERE.
09:17:50 AND I ENGAGED WITH PEOPLE AND TALKED WITH PEOPLE ABOUT WHY
09:17:54 THEY ARE THERE.
09:17:54 WE ALL KNOW WHY THEY ARE THERE, THAT IT'S GOOD JUST TO HEAR
09:17:57 IT ONE ON ONE FROM FOLKS.
09:17:59 I HEARD EXPRESSIONS OF FRUSTRATION.
09:18:01 I HEARD EXPRESSIONS OF ANGER.
09:18:02 I HEARD EXPRESSIONS OF HOPE, THAT BODIES, WHETHER IT'S THE
09:18:06 CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY COMMISSION, WHETHER
09:18:08 IT'S THE LEGISLATURE, WHETHER IT'S THE U.S. CONGRESS AND THE
09:18:11 PRESIDENT, WOULD DO BETTER, WOULD BEGIN TO LISTEN, WOULD
09:18:14 BEGIN TO ACTIVELY FIGHT FOR JUSTICE, CONTINUE TO ACTIVELY
09:18:17 FIGHT FOR JUSTICE.
09:18:19 THAT NIGHT, WE SAW TRAGIC LOOTING THAT FOLLOWED THE PEACEFUL
09:18:23 PROTESTS.
09:18:24 VERY TRAGIC.
09:18:25 THAT NEXT MORNING I WENT OUT TO THE MOBIL GAS STATION ON
09:18:29 BUSCH BOULEVARD, TALKED TO FOLKS.
09:18:31 I TALKED TO BUSINESS OWNERS WHO WERE DEVASTATED.
09:18:34 I TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN WHO CAME HERE AS AN IMMIGRANT FROM
09:18:37 INDIA 20 YEARS AGO, OPENED A JEWELRY SHOP.
09:18:39 IT WAS HIS AMERICAN DREAM, TAKING A HIT.
09:18:42 AND HE TOLD ME HE STANDS WITH PEACEFUL PROTESTORS BECAUSE TO
09:18:45 HIM BLACK LIVES MATTER.
09:18:47 I SPOKE TO AN AGENT IMMIGRANT FAMILY, OPENED UP A STORE TWO
09:18:51 WEEKS AGO, AND THEY WERE CRYING BECAUSE OF THE DEVASTATION
09:18:54 THAT HAPPENED.
09:18:55 IT BREAKS THE HEART.
09:18:56 I SPOKE TO RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ACTIVISTS, WHO
09:19:00 PASSIONATELY BELIEVE IN THEIR HEART THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER
09:19:03 AND THEY WERE THERE TO HELP WITH THE CLEAN-UP.
09:19:06 I SAW HOPE.
09:19:07 I SAW WHAT TO ME IS THE BEST OF TAMPA.
09:19:10 OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE
09:19:15 AFFECTED AREAS WHETHER IT'S EAST TAMPA, WHETHER IT'S NORTH
09:19:17 TAMPA, AND NOT LET GO OF OUR AGENDA THAT WE HAVE FOR RENEWAL
09:19:21 AND HOPE IN THOSE AREAS.
09:19:23 IN THE AFFECTED AREAS.
09:19:25 THE LARGER ISSUE FOR US IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT HAUNTED
09:19:29 THE CITY, SOMETHING THAT'S HAUNTED THE STATE AND THIS
09:19:31 COUNTRY SINCE JAMESTOWN FOR THE AFFECTED AREAS.
09:19:36 I CONTINUE TO SAY WHAT I SAID SINCE THE BEGINNING, WHICH IS
09:19:39 WHEN I LOOK AT THIS CHALLENGE WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY, I
09:19:42 ALWAYS ASK MYSELF, WHAT WOULD A GOOD AMERICAN DO?
09:19:48 A GOOD AMERICAN WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THIS INJUSTICE, TO ME
09:19:51 THERE'S THREE THINGS, WE BUILD BRINGS OF UNDERSTANDING.
09:19:54 WE TALK TO ONE ANOTHER.
09:19:55 WE DON'T DEMONIZE ONE ANOTHER.
09:19:58 SOMETIMES FOLKS HAVE TO BE DEMONIZED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S
09:20:03 GOING ON.
09:20:03 THERE IS EVIL.
09:20:04 THERE IS INJUSTICE.
09:20:05 BUT WE BUILD BRIDGES OF UNDERSTANDING.
09:20:08 I GREW UP IN CHURCHES AND THINK ABOUT BIBLE VERSES HERE AND
09:20:16 THERE.
09:20:16 WE REPAIR THAT BREACH OF HISTORICAL WRONGS.
09:20:18 WE KNOW WHAT THOSE HISTORICAL WRONGS ARE.
09:20:20 HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BEFORE COVID WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
09:20:24 BEGINNING TO STUDY THOSE HISTORICAL WRONGS, TALK ABOUT
09:20:27 THINGS LIKE MEMORIAL MARKER, TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE
09:20:31 RESTORING THE JACKSON HOUSE, SOMETHING LIKE CEMETERIES,
09:20:36 TALKING ABOUT MEMORIAL CEMETERY, WHERE WORLD WAR I VETERANS,
09:20:43 AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE KILLED, THEY DIED FOR THEIR COUNTRY.
09:20:47 THERE'S A WORLD WAR II VETERAN WHO I LIKE TO TELL FOLKS
09:20:51 FOUGHT NAZIS OVERSEAS AND CAME BACK TO FLORIDA HERE AFTER
09:20:57 HARRY MOORE WAS MURDERED.
09:20:59 WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.
09:21:01 I WANT THIS COUNCIL TO EVENTUALLY BEGIN TO HAVE A DIALOGUE
09:21:04 AND A RESPONSE TO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE PROTESTS.
09:21:07 TAKING A LOOK AT CHANGE.
09:21:08 WE ARE LOOKING AT BODY CAMERAS HERE TODAY.
09:21:12 MY STATEMENT, WHICH IS I WILL NOT BE A YES VOTE ON BODY
09:21:15 CAMERAS BART OF THE LANGUAGE.
09:21:17 I AM GOING TO BE A "HELL YES" VOTE ON BODY CAMERAS.
09:21:21 AND YOU ALL KNOW ME, WHY DIDN'T I AGGRESSIVELY PUSH FOR THAT
09:21:26 FOR MORE THAN THREE YEARS?
09:21:27 I TALKED ABOUT BIBLE VERSES IN CHURCH.
09:21:29 I ALWAYS LEARNED THAT THERE WAS TWO KINDS OF SIN, THE SIN OF
09:21:32 OMISSION AND THE SIN OF AN AFFIRMATIVE ACT.
09:21:35 AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DON'T PUSH THIS, YOU CAN BE FOR
09:21:38 SOMETHING, BUT IF YOU KNOW THERE'S INJUSTICE OUT THERE,
09:21:40 ANGER AND HURT AND YOU ARE NOT PUSHING LIKE HELL FOR IT,
09:21:44 THEN THE BURDEN IS ON YOU.
09:21:45 AND FOR THAT PERSONALLY, I WISH I WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER IN
09:21:48 THAT REGARD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
09:21:50 I'M JUST, HONEST WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN SO
09:21:53 MUCH EXPRESSION OF HOPE AND INSPIRATION OUT THERE.
09:21:56 AND I THINK THAT WE DESERVE TO GET THAT BACK.
09:21:58 I WANT TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THINGS LIKE IMPLICIT BIAS.
09:22:02 THANKS TO THE HARD WORK OF COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN
09:22:05 CARLSON, COUNCILMAN CITRO, AND QUICK WORK BY MY GOOD FRIEND
09:22:10 WHO I APPOINTED TO THAT BOARD, MICHAEL STEPHENS, WE BEGAN TO
09:22:14 MAKE INROADS ON IMPLICIT BIAS FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.
09:22:18 WHO IS DOING THE TRAINING?
09:22:19 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT REGARD?
09:22:21 ARE WE HEARING FROM ACADEMIA, CLERGY, PROFESSORS?
09:22:25 WHAT'S THE SUBSTANCE OF IT THERE?
09:22:27 LET'S DIG DEEPER.
09:22:28 LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT POLICY.
09:22:30 WHAT IS IT?
09:22:31 WHAT ARE OFFICERS TOLD TO FOLLOW AT TIMES?
09:22:35 LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
09:22:36 LET'S HAVE MEETINGS ON THAT.
09:22:37 LET'S INQUIRE ON THAT.
09:22:39 LET'S TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY, CONTINUED COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
09:22:42 WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT FROM TPD.
09:22:46 WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
09:22:48 ARE WE BEING TOLD ABOUT THEM ON COUNCIL?
09:22:51 DO WE INVITE PEOPLE?
09:22:53 CAN THE CITY DO A BETTER JOB IN THAT REGARD?
09:22:55 LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
09:22:56 YOU KNOW, WITH ALL HUMILITY, SHOWING THE SAME AMOUNT OF
09:23:02 EMOTIONAL OUTPOURING THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM PROTESTORS, AND
09:23:06 AGAIN, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO COME TO THIS ISSUE WITH FULL
09:23:11 HONESTY.
09:23:12 I'M NOT HERE TO DEMONIZE ANYBODY.
09:23:14 I'M CERTAINLY NOT HERE TO DEMONIZE PROTESTORS.
09:23:17 THAT'S FOR DARN SURE.
09:23:18 FOLKS ARE PROTESTING SOMETHING THAT IS ROOTED HUNDREDS OF
09:23:21 YEARS OF INJUSTICE, AND TO ME THAT IS A HOLY CAUSE.
09:23:25 BUT ON THE OTHER END, I'M NOT GOING TO DEMONIZE EVERY SINGLE
09:23:28 POLICE OFFICER.
09:23:29 I AM NOT GOING TO DEMONIZE DONNY MILLER WHO SERVED FOR YEARS
09:23:33 PROTECTING US IN CITY COUNCIL.
09:23:37 I AM NOT GOING TO DEMONIZE HEARTY WHO PROTECTS US HERE AT
09:23:42 CITY COUNCIL.
09:23:43 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DIALOGUE AND I AM GOING TO CALL
09:23:46 THINGS AS THEY SHOULD BE, ACT ON THAT HISTORY, REPAIR THE
09:23:50 BREECH, BUILD BRIDGES.
09:23:51 THAT'S WHAT I AM HERE TO DO.
09:23:52 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:23:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:23:55 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
09:23:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:23:59 MR. VIERA, MR. GUDES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL
09:24:02 COMMENTS.
09:24:03 THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO, MR. BENNETT, WITH YOUR
09:24:07 PERMISSION, IS I WOULD LIKE ALL OF OUR CITY STAFF TO STAND
09:24:10 UP, BE RECOGNIZED AND BE APPLAUDED BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE
09:24:13 BEEN WORKING TRIPLE TIME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
09:24:17 PLEASE STAND RIGHT NOW AND BE APPLAUDED.
09:24:20 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:24:21 WE HAVE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH YOU BUT YOU GUYS HAVE NOT.
09:24:31 YOU HAVE BEEN HERE.
09:24:31 YOU HAVE BEEN HOLDING UP THE SHIP.
09:24:33 AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
09:24:35 WE KNOW IT.
09:24:36 AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY NEEDS TO KNOW IT.
09:24:41 NOT ONLY IN THE COVID ISSUE BUT OF COURSE IN THE LAST WEEK
09:24:44 OR SO WITH THE OTHER ISSUES.
09:24:48 SECONDLY, I WANTED TO MENTION TO FURTHER A LITTLE BIT WHAT
09:24:52 MY PEERS HAVE SPOKEN TO, AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY
09:24:57 IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY RECOGNIZE TWO THINGS THAT HAVE
09:25:00 GONE ON THIS PAST WEEKEND.
09:25:02 ONE THING IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE HAVE
09:25:07 AS A RIGHT IN AMERICA, WHICH IS PEACEFUL PROTEST.
09:25:11 THE FIRST AMENDMENT ALLOWS IT, CALLS FOR IT, AND URGES
09:25:17 PEACEFUL PROTEST.
09:25:19 OUR FIRST AMENDMENT, FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
09:25:21 AND THAT'S WHAT MARCHING DOWN THE STREET, MARCHING DOWN THE
09:25:25 SIDEWALK, IN PEACEFUL PROTEST TO MAKE OUR OPINION KNOWN.
09:25:30 AND I'M VERY PROUD OF OUR MAYOR AND THE OTHER LEADERS WHO
09:25:33 WERE OUT THERE, MR. GUDES, MR. VIERA, AND I'M SURE SOME OF
09:25:38 THE OTHERS WHO WERE OUT THERE WITH THE PROTESTORS.
09:25:42 WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY.
09:25:44 AND THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE THEM, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE
09:25:48 RESOLVED AT THE TOP, IS IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED BY THE
09:25:53 PEOPLE.
09:25:54 AND THE PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
09:25:57 AND IN THIS CITY, WE DID A GREAT JOB OF ALLOWING THE
09:26:01 PROTESTORS, AND EVEN WALKING WITH THE PROTESTORS TO ENABLE
09:26:08 THAT SPEECH TO OCCUR.
09:26:10 THE SECOND THING THAT HAPPENED WAS THE LOOTING.
09:26:14 AND THE LOOTING WAG NOT DONE BY THOSE SAME PEOPLE
09:26:17 PROTESTING.
09:26:18 THE LOOTING WAS DONE BY A BUNCH OF THUGS.
09:26:21 AND SHAME ON THEM.
09:26:23 THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
09:26:25 AND THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.
09:26:27 AND I'M ASHAMED OF THEM.
09:26:32 BUT, FORTUNATELY, THEY ARE IN THE MINORITY.
09:26:34 THEY ARE THE FEW.
09:26:35 THEY DON'T REPRESENT THE PROTESTORS AND THEY DON'T REPRESENT
09:26:39 WHAT WE ARE AS A CITY.
09:26:41 WE ARE A GOOD CITY.
09:26:42 WE ARE A FINE CITY.
09:26:43 I'M GLAD THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WAS OVER, THAT WAS TWO DAYS OF
09:26:48 THAT TYPE OF PROBLEMS, AND LET'S PUT THAT BEHIND US AND MOVE
09:26:53 FORWARD.
09:26:55 AND THE THIRD THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND REMIND EVERYBODY
09:26:58 VERY STRONGLY IS, AND IT APPEARS SOME PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN
09:27:01 THIS, IS THAT WE ARE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC.
09:27:05 THAT LITTLE COVID VIRUS DOES NOT KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN
09:27:09 WASHINGTON OR MINNEAPOLIS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
09:27:11 AND IT'S STILL VERY, VERY DANGEROUS FOR ALL OF US, AND
09:27:15 ESPECIALLY FOR OUR SENIORS.
09:27:17 OUR SENIOR POPULATION IN OUR NURSING HOMES HAVE OBVIOUSLY
09:27:22 TAKEN ON THE BRUNT OF THIS, ALONG WITH THE MINORITY
09:27:26 COMMUNITY, WHICH APPEARS TO BE HIT HARDER.
09:27:29 AND SO LET'S NOT FORGET THE COVID VIRUS, LET'S NOT FOR GET
09:27:33 THE PANDEMIC.
09:27:34 I'M PROVIDED TO SEE THAT EVERYBODY HERE IS SITTING SIX FEET
09:27:38 APART AND/OR WEARING MASKS, AND THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO
09:27:41 DO.
09:27:41 WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT.
09:27:43 WE NEED TO STAY VIGILANT.
09:27:44 IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A WAY OF LIFE FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR
09:27:49 TWO.
09:27:49 LET'S NOT FORGET IT NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON POLITICALLY.
09:27:52 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:27:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:27:54 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
09:27:56 >>BILL CARLSON: GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
09:27:58 AS WE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE STREETS AND ON THE
09:28:01 PHONE AND IN E-MAILS, THEY ASKED US TO LISTEN, AND WE HAVE
09:28:05 BEEN DOING A LOT OF LISTENING.
09:28:07 BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO LISTENING TO THE CROWD HERE TODAY AND
09:28:14 ANYBODY WHO IS NOT HERE, PLEASE E-MAIL US OR CALL US AND
09:28:17 GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS AS WELL.
09:28:19 SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE HEARD IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND
09:28:21 EVEN THE LAST FEW YEARS, IS THAT SOME FOLKS THINK THAT
09:28:26 PROTESTS IN TAMPA ARE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN
09:28:29 ANOTHER STATE OR WITH OTHER PEOPLE, AND IF YOU ASK ANY OF
09:28:33 THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING THE TIME TO GIVE US THEIR
09:28:35 FEEDBACK, THEY SAY THAT'S NOT TRUE, IT'S IN PART THAT BUT
09:28:39 IT'S ALSO ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN TAMPA.
09:28:40 AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE CHANGE IN TAMPA IS TO
09:28:43 UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENED.
09:28:44 AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MY COLLEAGUE REFERRED TO THINGS
09:28:47 THAT HAPPENED MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO.
09:28:50 BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, AND I WILL
09:28:52 MENTION THESE QUICKLY, ARTHUR GREEN DYED IN 2014, AND
09:28:57 UNFORTUNATELY SIX YEARS LATER THAT'S STILL IN LITIGATION SO
09:29:00 I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE
09:29:06 KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN IN TAMPA, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIS
09:29:09 NAME, PLEASE GOOGLE HIM.
09:29:10 IT'S WORTH PAYING RESPECT TO HIS FAMILY TO RESEARCH THAT.
09:29:14 NOT LONG AFTER THAT, THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" CAME OUT WITH A
09:29:18 STORY THAT THEY THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT BIKING WHILE BLACK,
09:29:29 AND PULLING OVER CHILDREN AND GIVING THEM TICKETS, THAT WILL
09:29:32 TRAVEL WITH THEM THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, MAYBE HURT THEIR
09:29:36 ABILITY TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR TO GET A JOB IS A
09:29:40 HORRIFIC WAY TO TREAT PEOPLE.
09:29:42 AND MY OWN KIDS HAVE BEEN STOPPED.
09:29:46 EVERYBODY HAS BEEN VERY PLEASANT AND THEY HAVE BEEN PASSED
09:29:48 ON.
09:29:48 BUT FOR SOME REASON, THERE WAS TARGETING IN THE AFRICAN
09:29:51 AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
09:29:52 AND ALTHOUGH THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT
09:29:57 POLICY WAS NEVER LIFTED.
09:29:58 I TALKED TO BOTH REPORTERS FROM THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES"
09:30:01 WHO WROTE THAT STORY YEARS AGO, AND I SAID, WELL, WHO PUT
09:30:05 YOU UP TO DOING THAT?
09:30:06 AND THEY SAID ACTUALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT ST. PETERSBURG.
09:30:08 WE THOUGHT ST. PETERSBURG'S NUMBERS WOULD BE BAD, AND WE
09:30:11 FOUND OUT THAT TAMPA'S NUMBERS WERE HORRIFIC SO WE WROTE
09:30:14 ABOUT IT.
09:30:14 ONE OF THE REPORTERS HAPPENED TO BE AFRICAN AMERICAN AND I
09:30:17 SAID, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
09:30:20 AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN ST. PETE AND TAMPA AND OTHER
09:30:23 COMMUNITIES? SHE WAS ON HER WAY TO ST. LOUIS AFTER
09:30:25 INCIDENTS THERE.
09:30:26 AND SHE SAID, MY HONEST OPINION OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN
09:30:31 COMMUNITY IN TAMPA, JUST THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, SHE SAID
09:30:35 THEY FEEL OPPRESSED.
09:30:36 THEY DON'T HAVE A VOICE, THEY DON'T HAVE A SEAT AT THE
09:30:38 TABLE.
09:30:39 AND IT MAKES ME EMOTIONAL BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND THE FACT
09:30:41 THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO FEEL LIKE THEY
09:30:44 DON'T HAVE A VOICE.
09:30:46 WE ARE GOING TO LET SPEAK PEOPLE SPEAK IN A FEW MINUTES BUT
09:30:50 THERE ARE THOUSANDS FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO COMES UP AND
09:30:53 SPEAKS IN A LITTLE WHILE.
09:30:54 WE SHOWED YOU NOT FEEL OPPRESSED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A
09:30:57 RIGHT TO SPEAK AND THEIR VOICE ISN'T IMPORTANT.
09:31:00 WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE TO DO THAT.
09:31:02 HOWEVER DIFFICULT THE DIALOGUE IS, WE DON'T FACE THE ISSUES,
09:31:06 WE DON'T HAVE THE COMPLICATED CONVERSATIONS, WE ARE NEVER
09:31:09 GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
09:31:11 AFTER BIKING WHILE BLACK, THE COMMUNITY ROSE UP AND THERE
09:31:15 WAS A FIGHT ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS POSSIBLE.
09:31:20 AN OUTSIDE LAW FIRM WAS HIRED TO FIGHT THE ABILITY OF THE
09:31:23 PUBLIC TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF OVERSIGHT.
09:31:25 AND IT'S JUST AN ATTITUDE THAT HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY.
09:31:29 MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED THE JACKSON HOUSE.
09:31:31 I WAS ONE OF THE ACTIVISTS SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT FOUGHT FOR
09:31:36 THE JACKSON HOUSE.
09:31:37 THE ONLY REASON IT EXISTS, THE CITY HAD DESIGNATED IT TO BE
09:31:40 TORN DOWN.
09:31:42 HE HAD A LETTER IN HIS HAND SAYING THE CITY IS GOING TO TEAR
09:31:45 IT DOWN THE SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING WHEN NOBODY WAS
09:31:48 PAYING ATTENTION.
09:31:49 LINDA SAUL-SENA CAME IN THE NEXT DAY DO CITY COUNCIL AND
09:31:52 IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THE JACKSON HOUSE
09:31:54 STILL EXISTS.
09:31:55 BUT SIX YEARS LATER NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ON THE JACKSON
09:31:57 HOUSE.
09:31:58 WE HAVE MADE TWO OR THREE MOTIONS TO SAVE THE JACKSON HOUSE
09:32:00 AND STILL IT'S FALLING APART.
09:32:02 HOW CAN WE SAY THAT WHITE HISTORY OR HISPANIC HISTORY IS
09:32:07 MORE IMPORTANT THAN BLACK HISTORY?
09:32:09 FIRST OF ALL WE TORE DOWN ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
09:32:13 BUILDINGS IN CENTRAL AVENUE.
09:32:16 WHY DON'T WE SAVE IT AND UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY THAT
09:32:19 HAPPENED THERE AND WHY THE AREA WAS DESTROYED?
09:32:21 THE BRO BOWL IS ANOTHER THING, HIRED CONSULTANTS THAT THE
09:32:29 BRO BOWL WAS A SKATEBOARD PARK AND THAT'S THE CONVINCED THE
09:32:34 COMMUNITY THAT WAS A BAD IDEA.
09:32:36 IT COST 650,000 TO MOVE IT AND PROBABLY A COUPLE HUNDRED
09:32:42 THOUSAND IN LEGAL FEES JUST TO MOVE IT 100, 200 FEET AWAY.
09:32:46 AND THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT THE CITY SPENT ON THE BRO BOWL
09:32:50 MOVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPENT ON THE JACKSON HOUSE.
09:32:53 IT WAS 1.4 MILLION AND WAS STILL SALVAGEABLE.
09:32:57 WE HAVE DOCUMENTED DOCUMENTS FROM ENGINEERS SAYING IT WAS
09:33:01 SALVAGEABLE AT THAT TIME.
09:33:03 THE CITY IS NOT MAKING THE CHOICES THE RESIDENTS WANTED.
09:33:09 CITY COUNCIL HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER
09:33:14 AND THREE OF US WENT THERE AND LISTENED TO I THINK MORE THAN
09:33:17 100 PEOPLE SPEAK, AND THE COMMUNITY SAID THEY ARE CONCERNED
09:33:21 ABOUT IT BEING A FIRE TRAP, THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT
09:33:24 UPDATED, IT DOESN'T HAVE A COMPUTER CENTER, DOESN'T HAVE THE
09:33:27 AMENITIES THAT OTHER SENT VERSE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
09:33:30 AND WORST IT HAS RATS INFESTED AND KIDS HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
09:33:37 RAT DROPPINGS.
09:33:38 THIS CITY COUNCIL HAD TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE RATS BE
09:33:41 REMOVED.
09:33:41 AND WHEN WE WENT A FEW MONTHS LATER THE COMMUNITY SAID, CAN
09:33:45 YOU HEAR THE RATS? THEY ARE STILL HERE.
09:33:47 HOW IS IT THAT NOTHING IS BEING DONE?
09:33:49 WE CAN'T EVEN GET RID OF THE RATS IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER,
09:33:52 CAN'T SPEND THE MONEY TO RENOVATE IT?
09:33:55 FOUR, SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO, IT WAS PROPOSED TO SPEND
09:33:59 $130,000 TO RENOVATE IT AND THAT STILL WASN'T SPENT BUT WE
09:34:03 SPENT $400 THOUSAND FOR A BOAT HOUSE FOR RICH KIDS TO RUN
09:34:10 THEIR BOATS ON THE RIVER?
09:34:11 WE ARE MAKING HORRIFIC CHOICES IN THIS CITY.
09:34:14 AND THEN YOU SKIP AHEAD FURTHER, AND I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS
09:34:18 BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S STILL PENDING LITIGATION, BUT THERE
09:34:21 WAS A POLITICALLY CONNECTED WHITE PROPERTY OWNER IN SOUTH
09:34:26 TAMPA THAT HAD SEVERAL YEARS AGO $725,000 IN CODE
09:34:30 VIOLATIONS, AND THOSE WERE WAIVED BY THE CITY.
09:34:34 BUT AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WHO HAS A HOUSE THAT ALSO GOT CODE
09:34:38 VIOLATIONS HAS FOUGHT FOR YEARS TO TRY TO GET THOSE LIFTED,
09:34:41 BUT BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS NOT EXPECTED POLITICALLY BY
09:34:45 CERTAIN PEOPLE, THAT CAN'T GET WAIVED.
09:34:48 WHY ARE THERE DISPARITIES LIKE THIS?
09:34:50 WE CANNOT HAVE A COMMUNITY WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE TREED ONE
09:34:53 WAY AND SOME PEOPLE TREATED ANOTHER WAY.
09:34:55 LOOK AT THE RNC CONVENTION.
09:34:57 WE WERE ON A WORLDWIDE STAGE.
09:34:59 WE HAD MEDIA ALL OVER THE WORLD.
09:35:00 I HAD MY STAFF DO IT. GO LOOK AT THE STORIES TO SEE THE
09:35:03 BENEFIT WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE RNC CONVENTION THAT
09:35:07 WE SHOULD GET THE SUPER BOWL IS THE PUBLICITY WE GET
09:35:10 WORLDWIDE BUT LOOK AT THAT PUBLICITY.
09:35:12 ALMOST EVERY SINGLE STORY WAS NEGATIVE, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE
09:35:15 STORY HAD A NEGATIVE ELEMENT.
09:35:17 THE VISUALS AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE RNC, THE WAY IT
09:35:21 WAS HANDLED BY THE CITY, NOT COMMITTEE, EMBARRASSED OUR
09:35:25 COMMITTEE ON A WORLDWIDE SCALE, WAS HANDLED IN A WAY THAT
09:35:28 WAS NOT HANDLED THE WAY THAT OTHER CONVENTIONS WERE HANDLED.
09:35:31 AND WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
09:35:32 THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE
09:35:35 FEEL INVITED.
09:35:36 I'LL MENTION JUST A COUPLE MORE.
09:35:38 ON THE WEST BANK OF THE RIVER SOMEWHERE AROUND 1,000
09:35:41 AFFORDABLE HOMES WERE DESTROYED, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH,
09:35:45 NO PLAN TO REPLACE THEM.
09:35:46 AND THEN THE HOUSING COMMISSION CAME BEFORE US AND SAID,
09:35:48 THERE'S AN OFFICIAL LIST OF 20,000 HOMES THAT ARE NEEDED
09:35:51 THAT PEOPLE WANT HOMES, BUT THE UNOFFICIAL LIFT IS 50,000.
09:35:55 HOW COULD THE CITY POSSIBLY TEAR DOWN 1,000 HOMES WHEN WE
09:35:59 HAVE 750 PEOPLE WHO WANT THEM.
09:36:01 THOSE HOMES WERE NOT NICE, BY THE WAY, BUT WHERE ARE WE
09:36:05 GOING TO BUILD THOSE HOUSES? THIS BODY HAS BEEN TRYING TO
09:36:09 USE MONEY TO SPEND ON HOUSING BECAUSE WE NEED AN EMPHASIS
09:36:13 ON.
09:36:13 THAT ANOTHER THING WAS THAT POOR PEOPLE AND HOMELESS PEOPLE
09:36:18 ARE HANGING OUT IN PARKS IN DOWNTOWN.
09:36:20 SO WHAT WAS THE CITY'S SOLUTION?
09:36:22 THEY RIPPED OUT THE SEATS.
09:36:25 AND GUESS WHAT, THE RICH WHITE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN DOWNTOWN
09:36:28 CAN'T SIT DOWN IN THE PARK EITHER, BUT SOMEHOW BECAUSE WE
09:36:32 DON'T WANT POOR PEOPLE TO SIT IN DOWNTOWN, WE RIP OUT THE
09:36:35 SEATS. THIS BODY MADE A MOTION TO BRING THOSE SEATS BACK
09:36:37 AND THEY ARE STILL NOT THERE.
09:36:39 WHY IS THAT?
09:36:40 IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAMPA SCORECARD THAT I CREATED, PLUS OR
09:36:45 MINUS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, THE MIDDLE CLASS IN TAMPA
09:36:48 STAYED THE SAME OR SHRANK.
09:36:50 THE NUMBER IN POVERTY INCREASED.
09:36:53 POVERTY RATES ARE SOME OF THE WORST IN THE STATE.
09:36:55 GENDER AND RACIAL DISPARITIES ARE HORRIBLE.
09:36:57 WE ARE ONE OF THE WORST IN THE STATE IN THOSE.
09:36:59 WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE LOCALIZED TO FIX THESE THINGS.
09:37:02 WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO?
09:37:03 WE TRIED TO REFOCUS SOME OF THE CRA MONEY AND WE HAVE HAD
09:37:11 SOME SUCCESS BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE.
09:37:14 WE PUT A LIMIT ON THE CRA BECAUSE THERE'S NO SLUM AND BLIGHT
09:37:19 IN DOWNTOWN COMPARED TO ITSELF OH AREAS.
09:37:20 WE HAVE NEW SULPHUR SPRINGS, AND WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING
09:37:25 TO FIX THEM.
09:37:25 WE SHOULDN'T CREATE MORE CRAs.
09:37:28 WE SHOULD MOVE THEM INTO EAST TAMPA.
09:37:32 THERE'S MONEY IN THE CITY.
09:37:34 IT'S JUST SPENT ON THINGS WE LIKE TO HAVE, NOT NEED TO HAVE.
09:37:39 WE WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, WE ADDED THAT TO
09:37:41 THE CHARTER AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT.
09:37:44 WE HAVE MADE TWO OR THREE MOTIONS TO TRY TO ADD IT AND IT'S
09:37:47 STILL NOT HAPPENING YET.
09:37:48 HOW DO WE GET THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN?
09:37:50 LASTLY, MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED COMMUNICATION.
09:37:53 LAST NIGHT I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS,
09:37:57 NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS CALLED ME IN SOUTH TAMPA AND SAID WE
09:38:01 HEAR THERE ARE GOING TO BE PROTESTORS IN SOUTH TAMPA.
09:38:03 SO I CALLED THE CITY TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND
09:38:08 EVERYBODY IS REALLY BUSY.
09:38:09 WE GOT TWO CRISES GOING ON BUT THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION
09:38:12 LINE.
09:38:12 I HAD NO IDEA FROM ANYBODY WHAT WAS GOING ON IN SOUTH TAMPA
09:38:15 AND STILL DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTEL ON WHAT'S HAPPENING.
09:38:19 THERE'S NO INFORMATION THAT I COULD GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD
09:38:22 LEADERS.
09:38:23 THERE WERE PEOPLE GOING TO BE MARCHING RIGHT THROUGH THEIR
09:38:25 STREETS, THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO DO AND I SAID CAN WE GIVE
09:38:28 THEM A LITMUS TEST?
09:38:30 WHAT ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO, DO BRING THEM FOOD OR STAY IN
09:38:33 THE HOUSE?
09:38:33 I THINK WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION.
09:38:36 AS MY COLLEAGUE MR. GUDES SAID, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING
09:38:39 ON.
09:38:39 WE ARE THE FRONT LINE DEALING WITH CONSTITUENTS AND WE NEED
09:38:42 TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY AND HOW WE CAN GET THEM
09:38:45 INFORMATION AND WE NEED TO WORK TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM
09:38:47 ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. SO SORRY TO SPEAK SO LONG.
09:38:50 BUT I LOOK FORWARD.
09:38:51 THIS IS JUST WHAT I HAVE HEARD.
09:38:53 AND I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A THOUSAND TIMES MORE OF
09:38:55 THAT TODAY AND IN FUTURE DAYS.
09:38:58 PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
09:39:00 AND WE NEED TO LIENS.
09:39:01 WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE.
09:39:02 WE NEED TO REFLECT.
09:39:04 MORE IMPORTANTLY, TAKE ACTION.
09:39:06 AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO PASS A RESOLUTION.
09:39:08 SOMEBODY IN THE CITY HAS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
09:39:10 THANK YOU.
09:39:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CARLSON.
09:39:15 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING VERY BRIEFLY,
09:39:19 IF I MAY?
09:39:20 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:39:22 MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE MR. CARLSON MENTIONED A REFERENCE
09:39:25 THAT I MADE TO HISTORY, JUST TO CLEAR THE RECORD.
09:39:28 I'M SURE MR. CARLSON -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE PROTESTS
09:39:32 WERE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED 100 YEARS AGO.
09:39:34 100 YEARS AGO ALL THE WAY TO DO.
09:39:37 BUT JUST TO SET THE RECORD --
09:39:40 >>BILL CARLSON: I WASN'T TRYING TO CRITICIZE YOUR COMMENTS.
09:39:43 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
09:39:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CARLSON IS RIGHT.
09:39:49 THERE ARE THREE OF US THAT WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW
09:39:53 COMMISSION.
09:39:55 AND WE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO GET SENSITIVITY TRAINING.
09:39:58 MYSELF, MR. CARLSON, MR. GUDES.
09:40:01 WE ALSO HAVE TWO CITY ATTORNEYS, MR. MORRIS MASSEY AND MS.
09:40:06 ZELMAN, WHO WERE ON THAT COMMISSION.
09:40:10 WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THE SENSITIVITY TRAINING TO BE
09:40:12 IMPLEMENTED.
09:40:15 THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, MR. CARLSON.
09:40:18 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WHO WOULD HAVE EVER THOUGHT THAT LIFE
09:40:24 WAS GOING TO CHANGE FOR US 90 DAYS AGO?
09:40:31 WHO WOULD HAVE EVER THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD A
09:40:34 PANDEMIC, AND THERE WOULD BE PEACEFUL PROTESTS ON THE
09:40:40 VIOLENT DEATH OF A MAN IN MINNESOTA, MINNEAPOLIS.
09:40:47 OUR LIVES CHANGED IN A HEARTBEAT.
09:40:55 I KNOW THAT MYSELF, COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN VIERA,
09:41:00 WALKED IN STEP WITH A LOT OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE.
09:41:07 MS. PATTY, REPRESENTATIVE HART, WE WERE ALL THERE.
09:41:13 WE WANTED TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAYING BY THE PROTESTORS.
09:41:20 AND WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
09:41:25 BLACK LIVES MATTER.
09:41:27 WE NEED TO END RACISM.
09:41:39 MS. BURTON, THANK YOU.
09:41:46 MS. GREEN WAS THE FIRST WOMAN I MET WITH CONNIE BURTON AND
09:41:51 SAID, COUNCILMAN CITRO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
09:41:55 I WANTED TO BE THERE.
09:41:58 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AGAIN, OUR LIVES WILL CHANGE IN A
09:42:03 HEARTBEAT.
09:42:06 AND IF WE DON'T SIT AND LISTEN TO ONE ANOTHER, EVERYONE, WE
09:42:15 WILL NEVER EVER HAVE SOLIDARITY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:42:21 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BLACK LIVES MATTER.
09:42:23 RACISM NEEDS TO END.
09:42:29 AND I'M STILL LEARNING.
09:42:30 AND I WILL IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING THAT WAS TOLD TO ME OVER THE
09:42:34 LAST WEEK.
09:42:38 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CITY COUNCIL IS HERE FOR YOU.
09:42:42 DIALOGUE WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING.
09:42:44 MY DOOR IS OPEN.
09:42:45 LET'S TALK.
09:42:46 LET'S COMMUNICATE.
09:42:49 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:42:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:42:51 COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
09:42:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:42:54 WHEN YOU LOOK AT COUNCILMEN SPEAKING ABOUT MINNEAPOLIS,
09:42:58 MINNESOTA, MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, EVERY
09:43:02 CITY IN THE UNITED STATES, THIS INCIDENT IN ANOTHER STATE
09:43:07 AND ANOTHER CITY.
09:43:08 THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE REST ARE OKAY.
09:43:09 THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
09:43:11 WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS AMERICA ABOUT?
09:43:14 IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT EVERYBODY GETTING ALONG AND
09:43:17 GETTING THINGS DONE IN A WAY, THE RIGHT OF FREEDOM, TO
09:43:22 EXPRESSION, THE RATE TO SPEAK, THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THE RIGHT
09:43:24 TO MARCH.
09:43:25 ALL THOSE FREEDOMS ARE THERE.
09:43:27 HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT THERE FOR SOME.
09:43:29 THEY ARE THERE FOR JUST A FEW.
09:43:31 WHEN YOU LOOK ABOUT CHANGE, WHAT IS CHANGE ABOUT?
09:43:34 I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA, WHEN YOU
09:43:37 LOOK AT HISTORY, AND I AM NOT GOING TO QUOTE HISTORY BECAUSE
09:43:40 I'M NOT A HISTORIAN, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HISTORY ITSELF,
09:43:44 THERE'S ALWAYS ONE INCIDENT THAT STARTS A WAR, THERE'S
09:43:47 ALWAYS ONE INCIDENT THAT MAKES CHANGE, THERE'S ALWAYS ONE
09:43:50 INCIDENT THAT IS STEERING THE PUBLIC IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
09:43:53 WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT.
09:43:54 WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA IS ABOUT CHANGE.
09:43:58 IT'S ABOUT DIFFERENCES.
09:44:00 LET'S GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
09:44:02 HOW MANY OF YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU VOTED FOR THE RIGHT TO
09:44:04 VOTE?
09:44:07 MOST OF YOU REMEMBER.
09:44:08 THAT WASN'T TOO LONG AGO.
09:44:10 REQUEST YOU TELL ME ANYONE WHO HAD THE RIGHT TO VOTE?
09:44:17 60, 70% OF THE PUBLIC PASSED THAT OVERWHELMINGLY.
09:44:20 SO THAT GAVE INDIVIDUALS THE RIGHT TO VOTE ONCE YOU SERVE
09:44:26 YOUR TIME.
09:44:26 LET'S SAY I WAS PUT IN JAIL.
09:44:29 MY HOUSE IS IN FORECLOSURE.
09:44:31 AND I COME OUT, MEANS I AM NEVER GOING TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO
09:44:37 VOTE.
09:44:39 MAYBE AND MAYBE NOT.
09:44:41 WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE OF COLOR?
09:44:46 HAS TO PAY THE COURT COSTS.
09:44:49 WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HE OR SHE GETS OUT?
09:44:52 THEY MAY NEVER VOTE.
09:44:53 JUST RECENTLY, I SEE WHERE THEY WENT TO COURT, THAT'S
09:45:04 PROGRESS.
09:45:06 WHEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC VOTES TO CHANGE THE LAW, AND THIS IS
09:45:10 NOT ABOUT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS, THIS IS ABOUT EVERYONE.
09:45:14 I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.
09:45:20 I DON'T LIKE ONE INDIVIDUAL, NOT BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS A
09:45:24 DEMOCRAT OR HE OR SHE IS A REPUBLICAN.
09:45:27 IT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAY, IT'S WHAT THEY DO.
09:45:32 YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT.
09:45:36 AND I AM NOT AGAINST PROTESTORS.
09:45:38 PROTESTORS HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARCH AT ANY TIME, AT ANY DAY
09:45:43 OF THE HOUR GIVEN, THE PROJECTIONS TO ASSEMBLY AND VOTE, I
09:45:51 MEAN WALK, PROTEST, SOMETHING YOU DO NOT LIKE.
09:45:55 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE, ALL YOU HAVE TO HAVE NOW IS A
09:46:06 LITTLE MONEY.
09:46:07 AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES.
09:46:09 BECAUSE YOU HAVE -- MOST OF YOU ARE NOT MY AGE, YOU ARE MUCH
09:46:17 YOUNGER -- FISH FRIES, AND EVERYONE HERE TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU
09:46:22 WENT TO A SPAGHETTI DINNER OR FISH FRY DURING AN ELECTION?
09:46:27 I'LL TELL YOU HOW MANY.
09:46:28 NONE.
09:46:28 IT'S ALL DONE BY SOCIAL MEDIA, TELEVISION ORTHOPEDIC PRINT
09:46:31 AD.
09:46:31 YOU PRINT.
09:46:32 PEOPLE READ.
09:46:33 THEY LIKE, THEY VOTE.
09:46:34 HOWEVER, WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET IS NOT THE POINT HOW YOU
09:46:36 VOTE.
09:46:37 WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, MORE PEOPLE VOTED AND
09:46:41 PERCENTWISE THE POPULATION BACK IN THE SIXTIES AND THE
09:46:44 SEVENTIES THAN THEY DO NOW.
09:46:52 AND NOW WHAT HAPPENED IN WISCONSIN JUST A MONTH OR SO AGO,
09:46:56 THE LINES WERE LONG, AND IT WASN'T WHAT IT IS NOW, AND THE
09:47:02 PEOPLE LINED UP FOR BLOCKS TO VOTE.
09:47:06 AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY,
09:47:10 IN TAMPA, PARTICIPATE, UNDERSTAND, GO VOTE.
09:47:20 HAVE A VOTING PARTY.
09:47:23 NOT BY ANY REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT, BUT BY NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:47:29 NO ONE HAD THE ORGANIZATION THAT THEY HAD WHEN I WAS A YOUNG
09:47:32 MAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE.
09:47:34 I'M NOT SCOLDING ANYONE.
09:47:35 I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE OPPORTUNITY
09:47:37 TO CHANGE GOVERNMENT.
09:47:40 AND WE ARE NOT USING IT.
09:47:42 WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE WAY THIS COUNTRY IS HEADED.
09:47:48 AND MOST OF US STAY HOME.
09:47:53 WE MUST CHANGE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY, IS A
09:48:00 COUNTRY MUCH CHANGE, AND IT'S UP TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM TO
09:48:03 JUST MAKE A NOTE OF ALL YOUR FRIENDS, ASK THEM TO DO
09:48:08 SOMETHING, TAKE A FRIEND TO GO REGISTER TO VOTE.
09:48:14 AND YOU CANNOT BE THE HEAD OF A COMMITTEE AND HAVE 400 BILLS
09:48:21 AND NEVER PRINT ONE UP BECAUSE YOU BELONG TO A CERTAIN
09:48:24 PARTY. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT A PARTY.
09:48:28 BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BASIC RIGHT THAT WAS GIVEN TO ALL
09:48:32 OF US.
09:48:33 AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS OURSELVES.
09:48:38 BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, YOU HAVE, IN YOUR POWER, ALL OF
09:48:43 YOU DO, TO MAKE CHANGE.
09:48:46 AND PROTESTING IS ONE OF THEM.
09:48:48 BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
09:48:53 AND WE ARE NOT USING THAT RIGHT.
09:48:57 MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
09:48:59 THANK YOU FOR -- I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERY COUNCIL
09:49:02 MEMBER HAS SAID.
09:49:03 AND WHEN IT GETS TO THE LAST ONE ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT,
09:49:07 DEPENDING WHICH WAY YOU GO, EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY WAS
09:49:10 ALREADY SAID.
09:49:11 BUT I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
09:49:15 FORMULATE.
09:49:18 AND YOU NAME YOUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR.
09:49:21 MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT UP SOMETHING AND I AGREE WITH HIM.
09:49:24 MOST HOUSES HAD PORCHES.
09:49:26 YOU KNOW WHY THERE'S NO PORCHES?
09:49:29 I'LL TELL YOU WHY THERE'S NO PORCHES.
09:49:32 BECAUSE THERE'S TELEVISION.
09:49:33 THERE'S NETFLIX.
09:49:34 THERE IS THE COMPUTER.
09:49:35 THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT.
09:49:36 YOU CAN FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN TIMBUKTU IN TWO TENTHS OF
09:49:44 A SECOND.
09:49:47 WE HAD PORCHES BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WAY TO COMMUNICATE.
09:49:49 THERE WAS NO TELEVISION TO SPEAK OF.
09:49:51 THERE WAS NOTHING.
09:49:52 YOU WENT OUT WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
09:49:53 YOU WENT OUT TO YOUR PORCH OR YOUR FAMILY AND YOU CAN TAKE
09:49:56 TO YOUR NEIGHBORS AS THEY WALK BY.
09:49:59 I CAN'T NAME YOU TWO NEIGHBORS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OUT OF TEN
09:50:03 HOUSES IN MY BLOCK.
09:50:04 THAT'S A SHAME AND I ADMIT TO IT.
09:50:07 I CAN'T CALL THEM BY FIRST NAME.
09:50:09 THE ONLY REASON I KNOW THEY ARE HOME IS THE CARS ARE THERE.
09:50:12 I ASSUME THEY ARE HOME.
09:50:13 BUT NOBODY TALKS TO EACH OTHER.
09:50:17 THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT WE HAVE.
09:50:20 AND HE'S RIGHT.
09:50:21 BUT WHO IS GOING TO PUT A PORCH ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE
09:50:24 WHEN NOBODY IS GOING TO SIT IN IT?
09:50:26 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:50:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:50:28 I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
09:50:31 YOU KNOW, ALL LIVES MATTER AND ALL BLACK LIVES MATTER.
09:50:35 AND I LOOK AT THE DATE ON THIS AGENDA, JUNE 4, 2020, BUT IT
09:50:40 FEELS LIKE THE 1960s. I WASN'T AROUND BUT IT'S SOMETHING
09:50:44 WRITTEN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS.
09:50:46 WHAT I WITNESSED IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS IS SOMETHING I NEVER
09:50:50 THOUGHT I WOULD SEE IN PERSON ORTHOPEDIC ON ALIVE NEWSCAST.
09:50:53 WHAT HAPPENED LAST SATURDAY WAS THE LOOTING AND DESTRUCTION
09:50:56 ON FOWLER AND OTHER PARTS OF THE AREA MAYBE ME ANGRY.
09:50:59 WHAT MAKES ME ANGRIER IS THE CONTINUOUS DEATHS OF BLACK MEN
09:51:03 AND WOMEN THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY.
09:51:05 IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT.
09:51:06 AND THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, EMBARRASSMENT.
09:51:09 YOU THINK WE HAVE COME SO FAR IN 2020 AND WE ARE STILL
09:51:11 LIVING IN THE PAST AND THINGS REALLY AREN'T MOVING FORWARD.
09:51:14 YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ASKED ME, YOU KNOW, YOU LIKE TAMPA
09:51:18 HISTORY SO MUCH, WHY DON'T YOU LEARN ABOUT TAMPA HISTORY?
09:51:20 ESPECIALLY ABOUT RACIAL INJUSTICES THROUGHOUT THE LAST HALF
09:51:23 CENTURY OR MORE.
09:51:24 AND I DO KNOW THE HISTORY.
09:51:26 NAMES LIKE MARTIN CHAMBERS AND MELVIN HAIR, PEOPLE THAT WERE
09:51:31 BEFORE MY TIME THAT I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I HAVE BEEN TO
09:51:34 THEIR GRAVES, I KNOW THEIR STORIES, I HAVE SPOKEN TO FAMILY
09:51:37 MEMBERS, I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WITNESSES
09:51:40 BACK THEN AND YOU WOULD THINK AFTER 0-50-PLUS YEARS OR
09:51:45 30-PLUS YEARS, THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AS A PEOPLE.
09:51:49 BUT THEN YOU TURN ON THE NEWS AND SEE ANOTHER BLACK MAN IS
09:51:52 KILLED?
09:51:53 FOR WHAT?
09:51:54 WHAT DID THIS MAN DO TO DESERVE TO DIE?
09:51:56 AND IT'S VERY SAD TO SEE ALL THE CIVIL UNREST THROUGHOUT
09:52:01 THIS COUNTRY.
09:52:02 PEOPLE ARE FED UP.
09:52:03 I MEAN, IF I'M SICK AND TIRED, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW OTHER
09:52:06 PEOPLE FEEL BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THEIR SHOES.
09:52:08 THERE HAVE BEEN PEACEFUL PROTESTS THROUGHOUT THE LAST WEEK
09:52:11 THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:52:13 CYRUS GREEN WAS MENTIONED AND WHATNOT.
09:52:15 I WAS NOT THERE.
09:52:17 TWO NIGHTS AGO I WAS HERE IN DOWNTOWN OUTSIDE OF FRANKLIN
09:52:21 MANOR ON NORTH FRANKLIN STREET.
09:52:23 PEOPLE WERE PROTESTING, DEMONSTRATING BUT IT WAS PEACEFUL.
09:52:27 AND THEN THEY MARCHED DOWN KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:52:29 I WALKED WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT AND THEN I WENT HOME.
09:52:32 AND A FRIEND CONTACTED ME AROUND 9:00 AND SAID WHY DON'T WE
09:52:35 GO DOWNTOWN?
09:52:37 AND WE WENT BACK DOWN TO FRANKLIN STREET AND THERE WERE
09:52:41 PEOPLE THERE DEMONSTRATING AND IT WAS PEACEFUL AND IT WAS
09:52:44 QUIET AND WE WERE THERE FOR SEVERAL HOURS TILL ABOUT 11:00
09:52:48 WHEN HE SAID THERE'S REALLY NOTHING GOING ON.
09:52:50 I THINK THIS IS IT FOR THE NIGHT, LET'S JUST GO HOME.
09:52:53 AND I SAW DOMINOS PIZZA GIVE UP PIZZA TO THE DEMONSTRATORS
09:52:59 AND IT WAS LIKE A BLACK PORTER, WHETHER THEY WERE BLOCKING
09:53:04 THE INTERSECTION BUT IT WAS PEACEFUL.
09:53:06 HAD I STAYED THERE ANOTHER HOUR I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD
09:53:09 HAPPEN BECAUSE THEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOKS.
09:53:12 I SEE ON MY TWITTER FEEDS ALL THESE MASS ARRESTS DOWNTOWN,
09:53:16 FIFTY, SIXTY PEOPLE, AND I ASKED MYSELF, I LOOK LIKE ANYBODY
09:53:22 ELSE, I SAID WHAT IF WE STAYED ANOTHER HOUR AND MY FRIEND
09:53:25 DIDN'T SAY IT'S DONE FOR THE NIGHT, IT'S PEACEFUL.
09:53:30 WOULD I HAVE BEEN ARRESTED? I DON'T KNOW.
09:53:32 I DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHAT HAPPENED DOWN THERE
09:53:34 AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE AT THAT POINT.
09:53:37 BUT JUST THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO SEE THIS ON THE NEWS
09:53:40 HAPPENING IN MY OWN CITY, OUR CITY, A GENTLEMAN CALLED ME
09:53:43 YESTERDAY, I AM NOT GOING TO NAME HIM, MANY PEOPLE KNOW HIM,
09:53:46 A GOOD WELL EXPECTED GENTLEMAN, HE SAID GUIDO, I'M ANGRY.
09:53:51 WE HAVE HAD A WONDERFUL CONVERSATION.
09:53:52 AND WE FOUND COMMON GROUND AND WE UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER.
09:53:55 BUT, YOU KNOW, MY GENERATION, YOU MAY CALL US MILLENNIALS
09:54:03 AND WHATNOT, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE THE GENERATION THAT
09:54:06 CHANGES THE WORLD.
09:54:07 AND PEOPLE YOUNGER THAN US, AND I CRY AND I GET EMOTIONAL
09:54:11 AND IT BREAKS MY HEART BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE WORLD I WANT
09:54:14 TO LIVE IN. THIS IS NOT THE WORLD THAT WE DESERVE.
09:54:18 WE DESERVE BETTER, ALL OF US, TOGETHER.
09:54:20 SO I APPRECIATE THE PEOPLE COMING OUT TO SPEAK.
09:54:23 I SUPPORT THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
09:54:25 PEACEFUL GATHERINGS.
09:54:26 SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY.
09:54:28 BUT WE NEED CHANGE.
09:54:31 THIS IS -- THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS TO STOP.
09:54:36 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:54:44 ALL RIGHT.
09:54:44 [ LAUGHTER ]
09:54:46 I WISH I DIDN'T CRY, BUT I'M A SENSITIVE GUY.
09:54:49 SO WE ARE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:54:51 I WANT EVERYBODY TO ARE HEARD.
09:54:52 I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE I.ADOPT KNOW HOW MANY
09:54:55 PEOPLE ARE OUTSIDE.
09:54:56 SO AFTER YOU SPEAK, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, EXIT THE ROOM, GO
09:54:59 OUTSIDE AND WE CAN BRING MORE PEOPLE IN.
09:55:01 AS A COURTESY WE HAVE STATE REPRESENTATIVE DIANE HART HERE.
09:55:05 I WOULD LIKE FOR HER TO GO FIRST.
09:55:07 YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:55:08 AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
09:55:10 I SEE MR. DANIELS IN LINE AND OTHERS AND THEN WE'LL
09:55:13 CONTINUE.
09:55:14 GO AHEAD.
09:55:14 >> YES, I'M FROM THAT GENERATION.
09:55:18 I KNOW WHAT IT MEANT TO SAY, COLORED ONLY.
09:55:22 I'LL BE 65 IN 20 DAYS.
09:55:25 SO LET ME JUST SAY YES, BLACK LIVES MATTER.
09:55:29 BUT LET ME SPEAK TO SOMETHING THAT MY COUNCILMAN WAS
09:55:32 SPEAKING, ORLANDO, AND I TALKED TO HIM THE LAST FEW WEEKS
09:55:38 AND THE CALLS AS NOT STOPPED.
09:55:41 THIS IS MY COMMUNITY.
09:55:42 WHAT I AM NOT BEING TOLD WHAT'S HAPPENING IN MY CITY, I'M
09:55:45 VERY, VERY UPSET ABOUT IT.
09:55:47 I HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE CALLING ME TO TELL ME, OH, DO YOU KNOW
09:55:50 THAT YOU HAVE THE ARMY OVER IN TAMPA STADIUM?
09:55:54 THAT'S NOT WHERE I SHOULD HEAR THAT FROM.
09:55:56 I SHOULD HEAR THAT FROM MY ADMINISTRATION.
09:55:59 THOSE ARE STATE RESOURCES.
09:56:00 I SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW THAT THE NATIONAL GUARD IS IN MY
09:56:04 CITY.
09:56:04 I SHOULD KNOW THAT THERE'S A CURFEW TAKING PLACE WHEN PEOPLE
09:56:07 ARE CALLING ME AND I'M STILL OUTSIDE AND THEY SAY, LOOK, IS
09:56:11 THERE REALLY A CURFEW?
09:56:12 AND I DON'T KNOW.
09:56:13 SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS COMMUNICATION LINE OF
09:56:15 COMMUNICATION IS BREAKING DOWN, BUT JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT A
09:56:20 CITY OFFICIAL, I DESERVE THE SAME RESPECT AS ALL OF YOU ALL.
09:56:24 AND OBVIOUSLY NONE OF US GOT IT.
09:56:26 SO LET ME JUST GO ON TO WHY I AM REALLY HERE.
09:56:30 WE CAN'T JUST CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
09:56:35 MONEY IS THE ROOT OF THIS AND WE HAVE TO PUT THE RESOURCES
09:56:38 INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
09:56:38 WE CAN'T JUST KEEP SAYING LET'S HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
09:56:41 CAN'T KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
09:56:43 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR TOO MANY YEARS ALREADY.
09:56:45 I HAVE BEEN HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
09:56:47 I WORKED TIRELESSLY IN THIS COMMUNITY TO HEAR THESE
09:56:50 CONVERSATIONS.
09:56:50 CONVERSATIONS TIME IS OVER.
09:56:52 THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE PEACEFULLY PROTESTING.
09:56:56 THEY ARE TIERED OF HEARING FROM US.
09:56:58 THEY ARE SICK OF HEARING THE RHETORIC.
09:57:00 THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT IT IS WE ARE REALLY WANTING TO DO.
09:57:03 AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE GOT TO DO. WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE
09:57:06 MONEY AND PUT IT INTO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND CREATE
09:57:09 OPPORTUNITY.
09:57:09 AND STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
09:57:12 DID YOU SEE WHAT THE MAYOR IN CALIFORNIA DID YESTERDAY?
09:57:15 100 MILLION, BETWEEN 100 AND 150 MILLION HE CUT FROM THE
09:57:19 POLICE BUDGET AND SAID I AM GOING TO PUT MY MONEY INTO THE
09:57:22 BLACK COMMUNITY.
09:57:22 WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE SOME REAL SERIOUS ACTION, YOU ALL.
09:57:25 IT'S A GOOD THING SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE BUT MOST OF US DON'T
09:57:29 GET TO GET TO THE TABLE.
09:57:30 AND THAT'S OKAY IF YOU ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICES THEY NEED.
09:57:34 THEY DON'T WANT TO BE AT THE TABLE.
09:57:36 ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE LEADERS IN THEIR COMMUNITY TO
09:57:39 STEP UP TO THE TABLE.
09:57:40 LET ME SPEAK TO WHAT MY COUNCILMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH
09:57:43 THE CHIEF, AND THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AT TAMPA GENERAL.
09:57:46 I WASN'T THERE.
09:57:47 BUT I TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN.
09:57:49 HE HAS FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:57:53 WHEN YOUR OWN CITY COUNCIL MEMBER REACHES OUT TO THE CHIEF
09:57:57 AND THE CHIEF DOESN'T RETURN THE PHONE CALL, HOW DO YOU
09:57:59 THINK HE FEELS?
09:58:00 AND THE CHIEF ADMITTED IT WAS A BAD THING GONE WRONG.
09:58:05 I ASKED HIM, WILL YOU PUT HIM OUT, TAKE HIM OUT OF THE
09:58:08 COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW?
09:58:09 PUT HIM -- HE SHOULD NOT BE ON THE STREETS.
09:58:14 AND HE SAID, WELL, NOW, THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION THAT HAS TO
09:58:17 TAKE PLACE. YOU HAVE CAMERAS AT TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL.
09:58:20 YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IN TWO DAYS AND DETERMINE THIS
09:58:22 MAN NEEDS TO BE SITTING AT A DESK UNTIL HIS INVESTIGATION IS
09:58:27 OVER.
09:58:28 THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE
09:58:30 DECISIVE ACTION WHEN STUFF OCCURS IN OUR CITY.
09:58:33 THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE GOT TO BE.
09:58:38 THE YOUNG MEN WHO WERE PROTESTING DOWNTOWN, ONE WAS A PASTOR
09:58:41 FROM MY CHURCH WHO SAID THEY GOT CAUGHT UP AND SAID THE
09:58:45 POLICE WERE APPROACHING THEM.
09:58:47 THE POLICE TOLD ME THAT A BRICK WAS THROWN.
09:58:49 I DON'T KNOW.
09:58:49 BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT, LISTEN, WE CANNOT HAVE
09:58:54 PEACEFUL PROTESTS AND BEING SHOT WITH BULLETS, WITH MYSELF,
09:58:57 AND WE CAN'T DO THAT.
09:58:58 NOT IF YOU ALL THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE
09:59:00 PEACEFUL HERE.
09:59:01 JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS.
09:59:02 DO YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE OVER A THOUSAND OFFICERS IN THE
09:59:05 CITY OF TAMPA AND 119, MAYBE 120 ARE BLACK?
09:59:08 THERE HAS GOT TO BE A RECRUITING EFFORT TO RECRUIT AFRICAN
09:59:14 AMERICANS.
09:59:14 WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I RARELY SEE A BLACK POLICEMAN IN
09:59:20 EAST TAMPA TODAY.
09:59:21 PEOPLE, WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AND WE HAVE GOT TO DO IT
09:59:26 NOW.
09:59:26 I HAVE FOUGHT FOR THE $500,000 AT THE STATE LEVEL.
09:59:30 WILL THE GOVERNOR CUT IT WITH THE PANDEMIC FOR THE JACKSON
09:59:34 HOUSE?
09:59:35 I DON'T KNOW.
09:59:35 BUT I STAND WITH YOU ALL.
09:59:37 I STAND WITH THE COMMUNITY.
09:59:38 CYRUS GREEN, I AM WAS STILL THERE.
09:59:41 SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS TO YOU AND I'LL STOP.
09:59:44 WE MUST TAKE ACTION.
09:59:46 LET'S STOP TALKING.
09:59:48 THE MAYOR NEEDS TO MAKE THE DECISION I'VE DECISIONS LIKE
09:59:51 RIGHT NOW.
09:59:52 AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.
09:59:55 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:59:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:59:57 MR. DANIEL, PLEASE.
09:59:59 WE ARE GOING TO SANITIZE IT BEFORE EVERY SPEAKER.
10:00:03 AND MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SIGN-IN SHEET,
10:00:06 WHEN YOU SAY YOUR NAME IF YOU COULD PLEASE SPELL IT JUST FOR
10:00:09 THE RECORD.
10:00:27 >> MENTESMOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:00:32 POLITICIANS ARE TALKING.
10:00:34 WHEN THEY ARE ABOUT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN STUFF OR ABOUT TO
10:00:37 LOSE ONE OF THEIR WHORES OR PROSTITUTES, THEY'LL BEG, CRY,
10:00:42 SCREAM, BEAT, WHIP ON, DO ANYTHING THEY NEED TO DO WITH GOOD
10:00:48 FAVOR WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROSTITUTE.
10:00:50 THAT'S WHAT POLITICIANS ARE LIKE.
10:00:51 THEY TALK A GOOD GAME BECAUSE THEY GOT CAUGHT UP, YOU
10:00:54 UNDERSTAND?
10:00:55 BECAUSE OF REALITY YOU CAN'T EVEN COME DOWN HERE AND SPEAK.
10:00:58 BUT IF YOU SPOKE ON THE STREET AND THE POLITICIANS ARE BACK
10:01:01 HERE CRYING, THE POLITICIANS AIN'T GOT NO POWER, THEY JUST
10:01:05 EXPOSE THEMSELVES LIKE AN ARMY WAS HERE IN THE CITY AND THEY
10:01:09 DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT.
10:01:10 THE NATIONAL GUARD IS HERE AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.
10:01:12 THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE NO
10:01:15 POWER.
10:01:16 AND NOW WHAT?
10:01:17 THEY RACIALLY ARE INSENSITIVE.
10:01:20 THAT'S WHY I'M FED UP BECAUSE I HEAR THE WORD THUGS AND
10:01:25 LOOTERS AND RIOTERS.
10:01:27 IT'S CALLED PRICE FIXING AND IT'S CALLED TYRANNY.
10:01:31 IT ISN'T CALLED LOOTING.
10:01:32 WITH HE WHITE PEOPLE WERE THROWING TEA INTO THE BOSTON
10:01:38 HARBOR, THEY WERE CALLED REVOLUTIONARIES.
10:01:43 THEY DIDN'T CALL THEM LOOTERS, THUGS.
10:01:45 YOU UNDERSTAND?
10:01:46 BUT THE WORD THUGS IS A BLACK WORD FOR NIGGERS.
10:01:53 THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
10:01:54 THUGS.
10:01:54 IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GOOD POPULAR WORD.
10:01:56 BUT IT'S A THUG WORD FOR NIGGER.
10:02:00 WHEN YOU ARE CALLING OUR YOUTH THUGS, THAT'S WHY I STOOD UP
10:02:05 BECAUSE YOU ARE CALLING THEM NIGGERS AND I DON'T PLAY LIKE
10:02:07 THAT AND I DON'T JOKE LIKE THAT.
10:02:09 DON'T LIKE -- DON'T MAKE RACIAL JOKES.
10:02:18 I DON'T MAKE RELIGIOUS JOKES.
10:02:20 I DON'T MAKE JEWISH JOKES.
10:02:24 I DON'T MAKE INDIAN JOKES. I DON'T DO POLISH JOKES.
10:02:28 I DON'T DO IT THEN YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND TO BE A HUMAN
10:02:34 BEING.
10:02:35 THUGS.
10:02:37 NIGGERS.
10:02:38 THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
10:02:40 RIOTERS.
10:02:41 LOOTERS.
10:02:43 NIGGER.
10:02:44 THESE WHAT IT IS.
10:02:44 A MAN WAS KILLED.
10:02:46 FOR 8 MINUTES AND 46 SECONDS.
10:02:51 AND YOU ALL AIN'T GOT A WORD FOR THE WHITE MAN WHO DID THAT.
10:02:55 THEY COULDN'T EVEN CHARGE HIM UNTIL THE PEOPLE STOOD UP
10:02:59 INTERNATIONALLY.
10:03:00 AND YOU GET BACK IN HERE AND YOU CALL OUR PEOPLE, AFRICAN
10:03:04 PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE, THUGS.
10:03:10 IT'S A THUG.
10:03:15 THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF DUGAN, HE'S THE MFING
10:03:20 THUG.
10:03:20 HE'S THE ONE THAT I SEE WITH MY EYES, WITH MY EYES, ON
10:03:25 SUNDAY, SEE WITH HER EYES, GOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIOT
10:03:33 SQUAD, INTIMIDATING AFRICAN PEOPLE, SHOOTING AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:03:37 WE GOT THE PICTURES TO SHOW IT, FOR NO REASON.
10:03:40 SHOT A GUN ALL THE WAY INTO THE CEMETERY.
10:03:46 SHOOTING AFRICAN PEOPLE DOING NASTY THINGS, AND THEN YOU ALL
10:03:50 SIT AROUND TALKING ABOUT THUGS AND LOOTERS AND RIOTERS.
10:03:56 FOR 620 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN SELLING US ALL OVER THE WORLD
10:04:01 INTERNATIONALLY.
10:04:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:04:03 >> I SPENT MY LEGAL CAREER FOR THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
10:04:33 BUT, YES, WHEN PEOPLE CROSS THE LINE, AND THEY GO IN, AND
10:04:42 THEY BREAK IN AND THEY BURN BUILDINGS.
10:04:46 I'M SORRY YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
10:04:48 AND THEY BREAK WINDOWS AND THEY BURN AND THAT SORT OF THING,
10:04:52 I WILL CALL THEM THUGS, I WILL CALL THEM THIEVES, I WILL
10:04:56 CALL THEM LOOTERS.
10:04:57 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
10:05:00 I SAW WHITE PEOPLE DO IT.
10:05:02 I SAW HISPANIC PEOPLE DO IT.
10:05:04 I SAW BLACK PEOPLE DO IT.
10:05:05 NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, THAT'S THE TERM.
10:05:08 SORRY IT MIGHT INSULT YOU.
10:05:11 I WILL DEFEND PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO SPEECH ALL DAY LONG FOR THE
10:05:16 REST OF MY LIFE BUT I WILL NOTE DEFEND PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO
10:05:18 LOOT AND BREAK IN AND DESTROY PROPERTY AND TO HURT PEOPLE.
10:05:22 I'M SORRY.
10:05:23 THAT'S IT.
10:05:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:24 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT.
10:05:26 >> JARVIS EL-AMIN.
10:05:32 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I'M OFFENDED TOO, SIR.
10:05:35 A THUG IS A THUG.
10:05:37 I'M EVERYTHING DON'T HAVE TO BE ANSWER.
10:05:46 WE ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT RACIAL JUSTICE.
10:05:48 IF I WAS IN YOUR POSITION AND I DIDN'T AGREE WITH TONY, I
10:05:53 WOULD HAVE SAID NOTHING.
10:05:54 YOU HAVE THE POLICE EVERY SECOND INTIMIDATING PEOPLE.
10:05:57 AS A MATTER OF FACT YOU HAVE SOME PRIVATE DETECTIVE LOOKED
10:06:00 AT ME WITH A MEAN MUG FACE OVER HERE.
10:06:04 ALL OF THESE POLICE, GOT FOUR POLICE OUT HERE, GOT POLICE
10:06:08 ALL AROUND HERE INTIMIDATING PEOPLE.
10:06:10 THIS IS A POLICE STATE.
10:06:12 THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
10:06:13 YOU DON'T HAVE -- THE POLICE UNION GOT TOO MUCH POWER.
10:06:22 AIN'T NOBODY SERIOUS.
10:06:23 THE BODY CAMERAS, THEY CUT THE BODY CAMERAS OFF.
10:06:26 WE SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS ON.
10:06:28 WE FIND THAT MONEY REAL QUICK BUT CAN'T FIND MONEY FOR
10:06:33 ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT, CAN'T FIND MONEY TO CREATE JOBS.
10:06:36 I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS AND I'M FROM GEORGIA. THIS IS
10:06:39 WORSE THAN GEORGIA.
10:06:40 WHITE FOLKS KNOW WHAT THEY DID AND WE HAD A NUMBER MUTUAL
10:06:45 UNDERSTANDING WE DO THIS, YOU DO THAT.
10:06:47 EVERYWHERE YOU GO IN THIS TOWN IT'S INTIMIDATION, SIR.
10:06:51 IT'S INTIMIDATION.
10:06:52 AND I JUST SIT BACK TRYING TO WATCH BUT THIS TIME IS GONE
10:06:59 AND MAKE THIS ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD.
10:07:03 YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE I GOT RESPECT FOR AND JOE FISHER AND
10:07:07 COUNCILMAN GUDES ON IT.
10:07:08 AS SOON AS THE MAN TALK ABOUT POLICE MISCONDUCT, THEY COME
10:07:12 WITH ALL KIND OF RIGMAROLE.
10:07:15 OH, WE HAVE GOT TO FIND OUT THE BILL OF RIGHTS FOR THE
10:07:18 POLICE.
10:07:19 OH, WE GOT TO DO THIS.
10:07:21 AND THE MAN WAS BEAT TO DEATH.
10:07:28 CAME TO MY HOUSE.
10:07:28 MY SON WAS ON PROBATION.
10:07:30 THEY BUSTED INTO MY HOUSE, AND SAID WE ARE DOING OUR JOB.
10:07:35 AND NOTHING COME OUT.
10:07:38 THIS BLACK WOMAN.
10:07:41 AIN'T NOTHING -- THIS WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.
10:07:47 THE HATE THAT YOU HAVE FOR US AND THE HATE YOU HAVE FOR OUR
10:07:51 ANCESTORS IS THE HATE YOU HAVE FOR US RIGHT NOW.
10:07:54 AND I AM GOING TO TELL WHAT YOU THE SOLUTION IS.
10:07:57 WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO CONNIE BURTON, AND WE
10:08:15 NEVER GET NO JUSTICE IN THIS CITY. THIS IS A STRONG MAYOR
10:08:19 FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
10:08:23 CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:08:30 DON'T RESPECT YOU ALL.
10:08:31 AND YOU ALL DON'T RESPECT US.
10:08:34 IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN HONEST CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE
10:08:36 RELATIONS, SHUT UP AND LISTEN AND LEARN SOMETHING AND YOUR
10:08:41 WHITE PRIVILEGE IS WHAT'S GET IN THE WAY.
10:08:43 WHITE SKIN PRIVILEGE HURTING YOU ALL.
10:08:46 YOU ALL DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
10:08:48 LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING.
10:08:49 I DIDN'T SLEEP FOR THREE DAYS AFTER GEORGE FLOYD.
10:08:56 I KNOW WHAT THESE POLICE DO.
10:08:57 YOU NEED TO -- ALL LIVES MATTER.
10:09:04 ALL LIVES DON'T MATTER TO GEORGE.
10:09:08 THANK YOU.
10:09:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT, PLEASE.
10:09:24 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL
10:09:27 IT FOR THE RECORD.
10:09:27 >> MY NAME IS SALLYINC, LEE, AND I AM THE FOUNDER AND
10:09:40 COORDINATOR OF THE VOLUNTEER MISSIONARY SOCIETY.
10:09:44 AND I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE GOD HAS BEEN KEEPING ME UP AND
10:09:48 WON'T LET ME SLEEP, SO I CAME DOWN HERE TO DELIVER THIS
10:09:51 MESSAGE FROM HIM.
10:09:54 GREETERS FROM THE HOLY WORD OF GOD SAID LET MY PEOPLE GO.
10:09:58 TODAY'S WORLD OF INJUSTICE NEEDS THE POWER OF THE WRITTEN
10:10:05 WORD TO MANKIND.
10:10:06 WE SEE THE CONDITION OF THIS WORLD, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR
10:10:12 BRETHREN, KNOWN TO MANKIND.
10:10:15 POVERTY, KNOWLEDGE, BARRIERS TO EDUCATION, FAILURE OF
10:10:22 ATTENTION TO OUR SCHOOLS, PARENTS' FRUSTRATION, FATHERS IN
10:10:26 PRISON, YOUNG BLACK MEN FACING DEATH, IMPRISONMENT OF YOUNG
10:10:31 BLACK MEN AND WOMEN TO BE RESPONSIBLE ALONE, STRUGGLING
10:10:36 BALLPARK BUSINESSES, SACRIFICES, ALL BARRIERS AGAINST US TO
10:10:41 ECONOMICS.
10:10:48 GOT A WORKSHOP, A SOLUTION TO STOP INJUSTICE AS FOLLOWS: A
10:10:56 PROCLAMATION, EXECUTIVE ORDER, SIGNED BY MAYORS, CLERGY,
10:11:04 COUNCIL MEMBERS, COMMISSIONERS, TO STRENGTHEN A PROCLAMATION
10:11:10 TO STOP THE KILLING OF AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE, MEN, WOMEN,
10:11:14 CHILDREN OF ALL NATIONS.
10:11:18 AMERICA'S POLICE CHIEF, SHERIFF.
10:11:22 IF YOU FEEL YOU NEED CHANGE, THEN SIGN A PROCLAMATION, TO A
10:11:27 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUILT AMERICA WITH THEIR BLOOD, SWEAT AND
10:11:33 TEARS, BLACK LIVES MATTER.
10:11:42 SIGNED A PROCLAMATION FOR OUR FREEDOM.
10:11:45 AGENT OF GOD, SALLIE LEE.
10:11:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:09 ALL RIGHT.
10:12:09 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:12:10 IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND PLEASE SPELL IT FOR THE
10:12:13 RECORD.
10:12:13 >> MY NAME IS MALIK, AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU
10:12:24 ALL, THEY ARE VERY WISE PEOPLE, VERY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.
10:12:28 HOWEVER, THERE'S A DISCONNECT.
10:12:39 AND I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGER AT YOU ALL BUT I'M POINTING
10:12:49 THE FINGER AT US, THAT WE ARE NOT DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO
10:12:52 TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS.
10:12:55 IT IS ASTOUNDING THAT I HAVE TO PAY TAXES, BUT I DON'T GET
10:13:04 PROPER REPRESENTATION.
10:13:06 AND WHEN A POLICEMAN SHOOTS A BLACK MAN, THEY DON'T SHOOT A
10:13:15 WHITE PEOPLE, BUT WHEN A POLICEMAN SHOOTS A BLACK MAN
10:13:18 RUNNING A WAY FROM HIM IN THE BACK, YOU ARE A DAMN LIE, YOU
10:13:26 ARE RACIST PIG.
10:13:29 THESE GUYS HERE REPRESENT WHAT YOU ALL INSTITUTED.
10:13:35 YOU ALL CAN PUT THEM IN CHECK.
10:13:38 THE QUESTION IS, WILL YOU?
10:13:41 THE HISTORY SAY YOU WON'T.
10:13:43 BUT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO YOU, WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IT.
10:13:46 I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU GENTLEMEN SAID THIS, THAT THIS
10:13:49 HAS TO COME FROM THE PEOPLE, AND I SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE
10:13:53 THAT'S LISTENING TO THIS, IT IS IN OUR HAND, OUR HAND TO
10:13:59 CHANGE OUR CIRCUMSTANCES.
10:14:01 IF WE DON'T ACT ON THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR US AND STOP
10:14:09 LETTING PEOPLE LEAD US, HERE IS AN EXAMPLE.
10:14:15 MOST OF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER BUGS BUNNY AND
10:14:19 ELMER FUDGE.
10:14:21 ELMER FUDGE HAD THE GUN AND BUGS BUNNY DIDN'T.
10:14:26 SO ONCE BUGS BUNNY GET THE GUN THE STORY CHANGE.
10:14:30 SO INACTION OR INACTIVITY, YOU ALL ARE PLACING THE GUN IN
10:14:37 THE RABBIT'S HAND.
10:14:38 THESE PEOPLE ARE ASKING YOU, TELLING YOU, THESE THINGS HAVE
10:14:41 TO CHANGE.
10:14:43 AND IF THE CHANGE DO NOT OCCUR, THEN CHAOS, THEN YOU ALL
10:14:50 LOSE THE COMFORTABLE POSITION THAT YOU HAVE.
10:14:52 WHITE PRIVILEGES ARE GONE.
10:14:55 AND ANYTIME YOU SUPPORT WRONGDOING, YOU ARE PART OF THE
10:15:00 PROBLEM.
10:15:01 SO MAYBE YOU ALL HEARD.
10:15:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:15:23 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:15:24 STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD.
10:15:29 WAIT.
10:15:30 THE MICROPHONE IS OFF.
10:15:33 GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:15:33 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:15:35 MY NAME IS SAM HARRIS.
10:15:37 AND I WANTED TO JUST SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL AND MY
10:15:41 CITIZENS HERE.
10:15:44 THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGH WEEK.
10:15:46 THIS IS AN EXTREMELY TOUGH WEEK.
10:15:51 WE NEED CHANGE NOW.
10:15:52 NOT ONLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT AMERICA.
10:15:56 I AM GOING TO READ FROM REVELATIONS.
10:16:00 MARTIN LUTHER KING IN 1968, BEFORE HE DIED, HIS LAST SERMON,
10:16:05 HE SPOKE.
10:16:07 HE SAID, BEHOLD, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW.
10:16:13 BEHOLD, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW, FOR THE FORMER THINGS PASS
10:16:17 AWAY.
10:16:19 WE ARE IN A REVOLUTION.
10:16:22 WE NEED THE MIND-SET OF SYSTEMIC RACISM TO DISAPPEAR.
10:16:27 AND FORM SOMETHING NEW.
10:16:31 I HAVE LIVED IN TAMPA ALL MY LIFE, AND THE PEOPLE BEFORE ME,
10:16:36 PEOPLE YOU HEARD FROM OVER THE WEEKEND, THE EXPERIENCE THAT
10:16:39 I HAVE AS A BLACK AMERICAN BUSINESSMAN, I AM CONSTANTLY
10:16:43 FACED WITH ROADBLOCKS FROM MY CITY.
10:16:48 I LOVE MY CITY.
10:16:50 I SERVE MY CITY.
10:16:54 BUT DOES MY CITY LOVE ME?
10:16:56 DOES MY CITY SERVE ME?
10:17:01 200 YEARS AGO, IN 1819, OLIVER WASHINGTON WROTE A BOOK
10:17:10 CALLED RIP VAN WINKLE.
10:17:12 AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE STORY, RIP VAN WINKLE WENT UP INTO
10:17:15 THE CATSKILLS MOUNTAINS FOR 20 YEARS, HE WENT TO SLEEP.
10:17:20 AS HE WAS WALKING UP THAT MOUNTAIN, HE SAW KING GEORGE III
10:17:26 ON THE MOUNTAIN.
10:17:27 WHEN HE CAME DOWN, IT WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
10:17:31 STATES, GEORGE WASHINGTON.
10:17:33 SINCE THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS TAKEN
10:17:39 REIN IN THIS COUNTRY, BLACK AMERICANS HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED,
10:17:42 WE HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE DESERVE
10:17:45 TO HAVE.
10:17:46 I CAN FEEL COUNCILMAN GUDES, I CAN FEEL HIS PRESENCE WITH
10:17:51 ME.
10:17:51 I KNOW YOUR WALK.
10:17:53 I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
10:17:57 OUR CITY HAS A LOT OF CHALLENGES.
10:18:01 WE NEED TO SOLVE THOSE THINGS NOW.
10:18:04 I HAVE COME BEFORE ALL OF YOU, TALKED TO YOU ABOUT
10:18:07 OPPORTUNITY ZONES.
10:18:08 AT THE END OF THE DAY IT COMES TO ECONOMICS.
10:18:10 IF WE CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM, HOUSING, WE NEED OVER 60,000
10:18:16 HOUSING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA BY 2030.
10:18:19 THE ONLY COUNCILMAN THAT HAS RESPONDED BACK TO ME IS
10:18:23 COUNCILMAN GUDES ABOUT OPPORTUNITY ZONES.
10:18:25 THE CITY OF TAMPA NEEDS AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE PROSPECTUS SO WE
10:18:32 CAN BRING INVESTORS HERE TO DEVELOP MORE HOUSING, MORE
10:18:36 DEVELOPMENT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES SO PEOPLE CAN THRIVE.
10:18:38 AND I'LL END WITH THIS.
10:18:40 THE CITY THAT I LOVE, THE CITY THAT I WAS BORNE IN, AND I
10:18:44 WAS BORN IN WEST TAMPA, AT AGE 19, I WAS ASSAULTED BY LAW
10:18:50 ENFORCEMENT IN THIS CITY.
10:18:55 I WAS CHARGED.
10:18:56 I WAS JAILED.
10:18:58 AND BY THE GRACE OF GOD THERE WAS AN ATTORNEY HERE CALLED
10:19:01 RICKY WILLIAMS.
10:19:03 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:19:04 PLEASE LET ME FINISH.
10:19:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
10:19:06 >> HE FOUGHT FOR ME.
10:19:08 HE GOT ME A QUIETED OF ALL THE CHARGES BECAUSE I WAS RIGHT.
10:19:13 I WAS TOLD BY MY GRANDFATHER AND MANY OTHER LEADERS, NEVER
10:19:19 TAKE A PLEA DEAL.
10:19:20 IF I HAD TAKEN A PLEA DEAL, I WOULD NOT BE IN THE REAL
10:19:23 ESTATE BUSINESS.
10:19:24 I WOULD NOT BE A MORTGAGE BANKER.
10:19:27 I WOULD NOT BE IN A POSITION TO DO ANYTHING SIMPLY BECAUSE I
10:19:31 WAS FALSELY ACCUSED AND FALSELY ARRESTED.
10:19:34 IF I DID NOT HAVE LEGAL REPRESENTATION, I WOULD NOT BE
10:19:37 STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU.
10:19:39 THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN
10:19:42 THAT FACE THAT, THAT DID NOT HAVE WHAT I HAD, AND WE HAVE TO
10:19:48 CHANGE THAT AND WE NEED YOU GUYS NOT TO BE SILENT ANYMORE.
10:19:51 SILENCE IS WORSE THAN THE ACTION THAT IS BEING TAKEN AGAINST
10:19:54 US.
10:19:57 I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
10:19:58 WE NEED TO ACT NOW TO SOLVE OUR HOUSING PROBLEM, SYSTEMIC
10:20:03 RACISM, AND WE NEED THIS BODY TO PUT 100 MILLION INTO THE
10:20:08 BLACK COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO REDEVELOP.
10:20:11 AND IF YOU LOOK AT EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, THERE'S NOTHING
10:20:14 THERE.
10:20:14 IT'S BEEN OBLITERATED.
10:20:18 WE HAVE NO COMMUNITY. WE HAVE NO NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:20:19 IF YOU GO DOWN 29th STREET WHERE A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES
10:20:22 THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, 90% OF THE REAL ESTATE IS
10:20:25 OWNED BY WHITE FOLKS.
10:20:28 THAT BOUGHT BUILDINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY, 20, 30, 40 YEARS AGO
10:20:33 AND HAVE NOT REINVESTED.
10:20:35 AND LET 2 BUILDINGS BECOME DILAPIDATED AND HAVE NOTE GOT ANY
10:20:40 CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES.
10:20:42 WHERE YOU HAVE BLACK HOMEOWNERS AND BLACK SMALL BUSINESSES
10:20:45 THAT ARE GETTING FINES FOR THE BUSINESSES.
10:20:48 THOSE BUSINESSES HAVE OWNED PROPERTY ON 29th STREET OR
10:20:53 ANY AREA IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, IF THEY HAVE NOT
10:20:55 REINVESTED, AND MADE THAT BETTER AND TAKE THAT BLIGHT AWAY.
10:21:00 THE CITY NEEDS TO FINE THEM.
10:21:02 FORECLOSURE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
10:21:03 BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING THE VALUE DOWN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:21:07 IT'S NOT US.
10:21:08 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:21:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:21:27 NEXT SPEAKER.
10:21:29 STATE YOUR NAME AND IF YOU COULD SPELL IT.
10:21:30 >> ELVIS PIGGOTT.
10:21:41 VERY TOUGH WITH HEARING THE FACTS.
10:21:43 WE ALL KNOW CULTURE SENSITIVITY IS NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT.
10:21:49 WHILE I HAVE NO PROBLEM PERSONALLY WITH COUNCILMAN
10:21:52 DINGFELDER, I TRULY HAVE BEEN A DIRECT PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH
10:21:56 THE STATEMENT "THUG."
10:21:59 BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A STATEMENT THAT IS
10:22:02 TYPICALLY HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN
10:22:08 PERSON.
10:22:09 A THUG IS A BAD PERSON BY DEFINITION.
10:22:13 OR A BULLY, ESPECIALLY A VIOLENT ONE.
10:22:16 A THUG MIGHT BREAK INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE, BUT IT SAYS
10:22:19 SOMETHING LIKE. THIS IT'S HARD TO REASON WITH A THUG.
10:22:22 SINCE THEY INTIMIDATE A PERSON THEY HURT.
10:22:29 THAT DEFINITION LOOKED LIKE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ME.
10:22:33 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THUGS AND LOOTING AND RIOTS AND THE
10:22:38 THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
10:22:40 BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A DISINGENUOUS AND SELECTIVE
10:22:45 IMAGING, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE OUTRAGE, YOU
10:22:48 SHOULD HAVE OUTRAGE WITH THE THUGS IN BLUE.
10:22:51 THEY ARE ALSO A PROBLEM IN THIS CITY.
10:22:53 WHILE WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF BEING OUT
10:22:56 THERE PROTESTING ON FOWLER AND 56th, I WAS THERE, TOO.
10:22:59 I WAS THERE ALSO TO SEE THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:23:02 DECIDED TO DRIVE THEIR CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF PROTESTORS.
10:23:07 I WAS ALSO THERE TO SEE THAT WHILE ONE OF THE PROTESTORS WAS
10:23:10 GETTING EXCITED SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE PASSION OF BLACK
10:23:16 LIVES MATTER, I STEPPED BETWEEN HIM WHILE HE WAS IN FRONT OF
10:23:18 THE POLICE OFFICER TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT HE DIDN'T GET
10:23:23 HIMSELF IN TROUBLE.
10:23:27 WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I DID THAT, TAMPA POLICE OFFICER PUSHED
10:23:30 ME TO A CAR.
10:23:32 IT WAS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF DEPARTMENT THAT LOOKS AT
10:23:36 HIM AND SAY -- BUT MY PROBLEM GOES, DO YOU HAVE TO BE A
10:23:43 PERSON OF NAME OR COULD EVERYONE BE TREATED RIGHT?
10:23:49 I THINK THE VERY OUTRAGE HERE IN THIS TAMPA AREA IS THE
10:23:53 LOOTERS.
10:23:53 OH, MY GOD.
10:23:56 BUT I WISH THE ONES THAT WE COULD TAKE THAT SAME ENERGY AND
10:24:00 BE JUST AS OUTRAGED AS THE MISTREATMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE IN
10:24:05 TAMPA.
10:24:06 LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT MINNESOTA.
10:24:08 WE ALL KNOW TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS A PROBLEM.
10:24:14 I WATCHED THE VIDEO THAT WAS SENT TO ME WITH THE TAMPA
10:24:17 POLICE STILL ON THE FORCE DRAGGING THE WOMAN FROM THE CAR,
10:24:22 TO JAIL, LIKE SHE WAS A RAG DOLL, AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENED.
10:24:26 WE ARE NOT SAYING THINGS WON'T HAPPEN.
10:24:29 BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WHEN THEY HAPPEN, ACTION SHOULD BE
10:24:32 TAKEN AS IF IT MATTERS.
10:24:34 WHAT THE ACTION TOOK PLACE AT TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL AS THE
10:24:39 COUNCILMAN ALLUDED US, ACTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE.
10:24:43 WHY DO IT HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH INVESTIGATION?
10:24:47 BECAUSE I CAN REMEMBER -- AND I AM RECALLING THAT IF I
10:24:51 WALKED OUT THERE AND PUSHED SOMEBODY CAUCASIAN ON THE
10:24:54 GROUND, I DON'T THINK TAMPA POLICE WOULD COME AND WAIT TO
10:24:58 FIND OUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
10:25:00 I THINK WHEN THEY SHOW UP, THEY ALREADY KNOW.
10:25:04 AND I SAY TO YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, REGARDLESS OF WHAT
10:25:08 YOUR INTENTIONS OF CULTURE SENSITIVITY, FEIGNED ANOTHER
10:25:12 TERM.
10:25:13 IT'S DISRESPECTFUL.
10:25:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:25:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:25:19 ELVIS, IF I COULD.
10:25:24 I WILL APOLOGIZE TO YOU, SIR, BECAUSE I RESPECT YOU
10:25:27 TREMENDOUSLY.
10:25:30 WHEN I GREW UP, I WATCHED THE OLD MOVIES, OKAY, MOBSTER
10:25:35 MOVIES, AND THEY USED TO CALL PEOPLE THUGS, OKAY.
10:25:38 THEY WEREN'T BLACK PEOPLE.
10:25:40 THEY WERE MOBSTERS.
10:25:42 THEY WERE WHITE MOBSTERS.
10:25:44 SO WHEN I USE THE TERM, I USE TO THE MAKE REFERENCE TO
10:25:47 CRIMINALS.
10:25:48 IF THAT TERM HAS NOW TAKEN ON A MEANING TO REFER TO BLACK
10:25:51 PEOPLE, THEN I WASN'T AWARE OF IT, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
10:25:56 HOWEVER, I WILL CONDEMN ANYBODY WHO BROKE INTO THOSE STORES
10:26:00 AND LOOTED AND RIOTED AS CRIMINALS.
10:26:04 OKAY?
10:26:05 AND IN THAT REGARD, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT
10:26:09 MIGHT HAVE BEEN INSULTED BY ANY RACIAL INSENSITIVITY ON MY
10:26:12 PART.
10:26:13 I WAS NOT AWARE.
10:26:15 THAT'S MY OWN FALLACY.
10:26:18 HOWEVER, YOU KNOW ME, SIR, AND NOW MY BACKGROUND, AND NOW
10:26:21 WHERE I STAND.
10:26:22 AND EVERY WEEK, AT THIS DAIS, I AM FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS
10:26:25 OF MINORITIES, AND ANYBODY HEAR WHO WATCHES THESE MEETINGS
10:26:30 KNOWS IT.
10:26:31 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:26:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:26:34 IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND PLEASE SPELL IT.
10:26:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY NAME IS STEPHANIE
10:26:41 POYNOR.
10:26:47 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY I HAD NO CLUE I WAS GOING TO END
10:26:51 UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SO KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE COMMERCIAL
10:26:54 BREAK BUT THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT
10:26:56 SURROUNDS ME.
10:26:56 I ALSO WANT TO STATE MY PERSONAL DISPOSITION.
10:27:00 WE DO NEED TO TAKE ACTION.
10:27:02 BLACK LIVES DO MATTER.
10:27:04 AND WHITE PRIVILEGE IS REAL.
10:27:08 ANYWAY, I AM A LICENSED REALTOR.
10:27:11 I AM HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:27:13 I ONLY TAKE LISTINGS FROM MILITARY FAMILIES.
10:27:17 I OPERATE PRIMARILY SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:27:20 I AM A 23 YEAR ARMY SPOUSE.
10:27:23 I HAVE HELPED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE LOCATING TO MACDILL FIND
10:27:30 HOMES IN THE AREA.
10:27:30 I HAVE LIVED SOUTH OF GANDY SINCE 2012.
10:27:33 I AM HERE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO REVISE OR AMEND THE TAMPA
10:27:36 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2016 TO BETTER PROTECT THOSE OF US WHO
10:27:42 LIVE IN SOG.
10:27:48 THE COMP PLAN SHOWS A PROJECTED POPULATION OF SOUTH TAMPA,
10:27:48 AT 78,000 IN 2040.
10:27:57 WE ARE ALREADY 13,000 PEOPLE PAST THE PROJECTION FOR THAT
10:27:59 AREA.
10:28:01 AND THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY -- THE PLAN
10:28:06 HILLSBOROUGH WEBSITE.
10:28:08 MacDILL'S STATEMENT, AND NOT ONLY HAS OUR COMMUNITY
10:28:11 GROWN EXPONENTIALLY BUT MACDILL'S ECONOMIC STATEMENT SAYS
10:28:16 THERE ARE 23,000 PEOPLE WHO WORK ON THAT BASE.
10:28:18 THERE'S ONLY 527 HOUSES ON THAT BASE.
10:28:21 SO THEY DRIVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY.
10:28:23 EVERY SINGLE DAY.
10:28:26 THEY ARE CLOGGING UP OUR ARTERIES, WESTSHORE, MANHATTAN,
10:28:30 DALE MABRY, MacDILL, AND MOST NOTABLY BAYSHORE.
10:28:35 MacDILL TRAFFIC IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REST
10:28:40 OF TAMPA, BECAUSE THE GATES AT MacDILL DICTATE WHEN
10:28:46 THEIR HIGHEST FLOW IS.
10:28:49 THEIR GATES OPEN 5 TO 6 A.M. IN THE MORNING AND THEY CLOSE
10:28:53 AT 8 A.M. WHICH MEANS THAT ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT ARE DONE
10:28:56 IN THAT AREA ARE MISSING OUT ON PRIME DRIVE TIME FOR OUR
10:28:59 COMMUNITY.
10:29:00 TRAFFIC IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A CONSIDERATION WHEN LOOKING
10:29:03 AT CHANGES TO THE PD, BUT I WILL CHALLENGE YOU THAT IN 2017,
10:29:12 DALE MABRY, THE MEDIANS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, BELOW
10:29:18 GANDY, WERE REPLACED WITH A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF
10:29:21 FUNDING, BUT THEY REPLACED THEM IN 2017.
10:29:26 FDOT HAS REQUESTED AND SENT OUT NOTIFICATIONS IN THE LAST
10:29:30 SIX MONTHS THAT THEY WANT TO RIP OUT A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH
10:29:34 OF WORK, AND TODAY, THAT MILLION DOLLARS, IT MAKES MY SKIN
10:29:40 CRAWL TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RIP IT OUT, WHICH WILL
10:29:43 MAKE TRAFFIC, TRAVELING FROM EAST TO WEST EVEN WORSE.
10:29:47 AND WE CAN'T FIX A COMMUNITY CENTER.
10:29:52 I'M SORRY, I DIGRESS.
10:29:54 I STAND HERE TODAY NOT AS A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL, BUT I
10:29:56 REPRESENT HUNDREDS OF FOLKS WHO LIVE SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:29:59 AND THEY ARE TOO NERVOUS TO SPEAK PUBLICLY.
10:30:03 THEY ARE TOO BUSY TO SPEAK PUBLICLY.
10:30:05 THEY ARE NOT SURE HOW TO SPEAK PUBLICLY.
10:30:07 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:30:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:26 NEXT SPEAKER.
10:30:28 YOUR NAME AND IF YOU COULD SPELL IT PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
10:30:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO.
10:30:33 MY NAME IS KEIONA, JONES.
10:30:39 I AM A 28-YEAR-OLD WOMAN BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY OF
10:30:44 TAMPA.
10:30:45 I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SHARE SOMETHING WITH EVERYONE.
10:30:50 MY REQUEST.
10:30:50 FOR ONE I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT --
10:31:03 MY FATHER HAS BEEN INCARCERATED SINCE I WAS 12 YEARS OLD.
10:31:06 HE HAS A LIFE SENTENCE.
10:31:08 AND HE HAS NOT KILLED ANYONE.
10:31:11 AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
10:31:13 I THINK THAT SPEAKING FOR THE YOUTH, SPEAKING AS A
10:31:17 FATHERLESS CHILD, OUR FATHERS DO NOT NEED TO SUFFER WITH
10:31:23 THOSE SENTENCES.
10:31:24 I BELIEVE THAT IF THEY DO A CRIME THEY SHOULD DO THE TIME,
10:31:29 BUT NOT THAT MUCH TIME FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT KILLING A
10:31:35 PERSON.
10:31:35 I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD DO PRISON TIME BUT THEY ALSO
10:31:39 SHOULD BE GIVEN REHABILITATION CENTERS AND ALSO MENTAL
10:31:45 HEALTH CENTER BECAUSE THE MIND IS WHERE EVERYTHING HAPPENS
10:31:48 AT.
10:31:49 A LOT OF TIMES, OUR FATHERS ARE IN PRISON, AND THEY COME OUT
10:31:53 AND THEY ARE WORSE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE MENTAL
10:31:58 ATTENTION THAT THEY NEEDED, SO THROWING THEM IN PRISON IS
10:32:01 REALLY NOT THE ANSWER, IS NOT THE ONLY ANSWER.
10:32:05 IT'S NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE A LOT COMB BACK ON THE STREETS AND
10:32:11 THEY DO MORE BAD THINGS, SO THEY NEED BETTER HELP THAN JUST
10:32:15 THROWING THEM IN PRISON.
10:32:16 ALSO, SPEAKING PERSONALLY, MY FATHER HAS A 16-YEAR-OLD
10:32:20 DAUGHTER THAT HE HAS NEVER MET, SHE SUFFERED FROM DEPRESSION
10:32:23 BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T HAVE A FATHER AND HER LIFE MATTERS, TOO.
10:32:28 WE NEED TO RETAIN -- RETRAIN ALL OFFICERS ESPECIALLY THOSE
10:32:33 WHO HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO USE EXCESSIVE FORCE, OFFICERS THAT
10:32:39 HAVE TWO OAR MORE COMPLAINTS ON DESK DUTY, OFFICERS DONE BY
10:32:45 OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT COMPANY, CROSS TRAIN DIFFERENT JUDGES
10:32:49 FROM DIFFERENT STATES, SO WE HAVE A CHOICE OF WHO WE.
10:32:54 I AM GOING TO END IT WITH THAT.
10:32:55 ALSO, FOR EVERYONE INCLUDING OUR LEADERS, OUR COLORS AND OWL
10:33:00 NATIONS AND ALL RACES, WE MUST START SENSITIVE OF WORDS.
10:33:05 WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE OF WORDS.
10:33:12 WE SHALL RISE.
10:33:13 WE ARE ONE.
10:33:13 AND WE ALL MATTER.
10:33:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:33:26 AND WE HAVE A FEW EMPTY SEATS IF THERE'S ANYONE OUTSIDE
10:33:29 WAITING TO SPEAK IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME IN.
10:33:31 WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE SEATS AVAILABLE THAT I SEE.
10:33:35 FOUR SEATS.
10:33:38 GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:33:39 IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND SPELL
10:33:41 IT.
10:33:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ARE YOU DOING?
10:33:45 JUST CALL ME VESSEL.
10:33:50 WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS, WE HAVE TO START AT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD
10:33:57 OUR TIME.
10:33:57 THE YOUTH IS OUR FUTURE.
10:33:59 AND WITH THAT SAID IS WHEN IT COMES TO THESE PARKS AND
10:34:04 RECREATION AND COACHES AND VOLUNTEERS WHO COACH THESE
10:34:08 CHILDREN, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT
10:34:11 SEES KIDS DAY TO DAY.
10:34:13 ON A DAILY BASIS.
10:34:15 AND WITH THAT SAID IS THOSE KIDS, THEY SEE THEM ON A REGULAR
10:34:21 BASIS AND ARE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THEM, ARE USED TO THEM,
10:34:25 THEY ARE MORE ADEQUATE TO SPEAK TO THEM.
10:34:29 AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE IS SOME RULE GOING AROUND THAT
10:34:33 IF YOU HAVE A VIOLENCE CHARGE, AND IT MAY NOT EVEN BE A
10:34:38 HEINOUS CRIME OR IF YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHILD CHARGE AND
10:34:44 YOU CAN'T COACH ANY SPORTS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:34:47 I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA MADE
10:34:50 UP.
10:34:51 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A STATE SITUATION.
10:34:53 BUT I DO KNOW THIS.
10:34:54 I DO KNOW THAT WHEN YOU DEAL WITH KIDS, FROM THE ASPECT OF
10:35:00 THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHERE THEY COME FROM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE
10:35:03 BEEN TO PRISON, PEOPLE HOE HAVE-AT THE -- THE POLICE
10:35:09 BRUTALITY, PEOPLE WHO FELT RACISM, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF,
10:35:14 THEY DON'T RELATE TO THE PEOPLE SITTING UP ON THE DESK
10:35:16 SETTING ON THEIR SOAPBOX OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
10:35:20 AND IF YOU COME THERE WITH A SUIT ON OR IN YOU COME WITH
10:35:22 YOUR PASTOR COLLAR, THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR NOTHING.
10:35:25 AND I AM THERE WITH THEM DAY TO DAY SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
10:35:29 THEY ARE SAYING AND IF THEY WERE HERE, THE QUESTIONS THEY
10:35:32 WERE ASKED IS WHY DO THEY KILL PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE US?
10:35:37 THAT'S THE QUESTION WE ASK.
10:35:38 I STAND WITH DIANE HART WHEN SHE SAY WE BEEN LISTENING
10:35:42 ENOUGH, WE BEEN TALKING ENOUGH.
10:35:45 ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.
10:35:46 YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?
10:35:48 WE CAN SAY AND DO A LOT OF THINGS.
10:35:49 >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN SIT UP HERE AND WRITE STUFF DOWN,
10:35:52 WRITE PETITIONS DOWN AND NOTHING BEING DONE.
10:35:54 THE ACTION THING TO BE DONE IS WHEN YOU ALL START ACTING.
10:35:59 MY PERSONAL OPINION, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST, NO PREJUDICE
10:36:06 AGAINST THE GAY COMMUNITY, BUT THE MAYOR, TO LOOK THE SAME
10:36:10 WAY, THAT'S THE SAME INITIATIVE THAT SHE NEEDS TO HAVE AS
10:36:14 FAR AS BLACK LIVES MATTER.
10:36:15 YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SHE TOOK ALL OF OUR ENERGY TO MAKE
10:36:19 SURE THE GAY COMMUNITY WAS LOOKED EQUALLY, AND BLACK PEOPLE
10:36:22 WANT THAT SAME ENERGY FROM HER.
10:36:24 AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S HERE, BUT I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST
10:36:29 HER WHATSOEVER, BUT THAT SAME BLOOD PRESSURE THAT YOU ALL
10:36:34 HAVE WHEN YOU ALL ARE ADAMANT REQUEST DOING SOMETHING,
10:36:37 THAT'S HOW THE BLACK PEOPLE FEEL RIGHT NOW.
10:36:39 AND I UNDERSTAND THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PROTEST, BUT YET
10:36:41 IT WAS THE LOOTING AND RYE ON THING THAT TOOK PLACE AT THE
10:36:43 SAME TIME WHEN GEORGE FLOYD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ARREST AND
10:36:47 NOT A MURDER, AND I'M DONE.
10:36:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.
10:36:55 DIRECTOR CHIEF BENNETT, I THINK WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE
10:36:58 PLAN FOR RECREATION.
10:37:00 AND I THINK THE SPORTS COMMISSIONER HAS TO BE LOOKED INTO AS
10:37:03 PART, TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT COACHES.
10:37:08 WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT, CORRECT?
10:37:11 >>JOHN BENNETT: YES, SIR.
10:37:12 NOT ONLY ARE WE WORKING ON THAT, THE MAYOR ALSO INSTRUCTED
10:37:16 US TO LOOK HE THE HIRING GUIDELINES WHICH WILL PARLEY INTO
10:37:19 SOME OF THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, AND WE JUST TALKED ABOUT
10:37:23 THAT THIS WEEK, AND SHE'S WORKING WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE TO
10:37:26 PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE TO INCREASE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
10:37:30 THOSE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET HIRED OR PUT INTO OTHER
10:37:36 YOUTH PROGRAMS.
10:37:38 WE'RE ON IT.
10:37:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:37:41 >> MY NAME IS BISHOP MICHELLE B. PATTY.
10:37:47 THERE WAS A MEETING WHERE OVER 200 PEOPLE CAME IN PEACE, AND
10:37:51 I WAS AT THE FAIROAKS MEETING, ASKED TO USE THEIR TAX
10:37:57 DOLLARS TO TEAR THE OAK CENTER DOWN OF THE WE HAVE COME WEEK
10:38:01 AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER MONTH AND I KNOW GONE INTO YEARS.
10:38:04 IT HAS TAKEN AN RIOT, IN SOME INSTANCES, NOW FOR YOU ALL TO
10:38:08 SAY, WE NEED TO TALK.
10:38:11 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING.
10:38:12 WE NEED SOME ACTION, BUILDING FAIROAKS.
10:38:18 SECONDLY, POLICE CHIEFS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IS SAYING THERE
10:38:23 SHOULD BE POLICE REFORM.
10:38:24 WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT YET HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:38:27 NOW, POLICE REFORM SHOULD START WITH CITIZENS OF THE
10:38:31 NEIGHBORHOODS BEING A PART OF THAT, THAT THE POLICE PROTECT.
10:38:35 WE ALSO NEED THE REAL CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD, NOT LIKE BOB
10:38:42 BUCKHORN, THE FORMER MAYOR.
10:38:44 HE HAD PICKED THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT BOARD.
10:38:46 WE NEED COMMUNITY LEADERS TO BE ON THE CITIZENS REVIEW
10:38:51 BOARD.
10:38:51 WE ALSO NEED SUBPOENA POWER ON THAT BOARD.
10:38:54 WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT INCIDENTS BEFORE IT BECOME A
10:38:58 GEORGE FLOYD.
10:38:59 WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT TALK IS CHEAP, THE
10:39:04 COMMUNITY WHEN I STOOD IN THE MIDST OF THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE,
10:39:07 IN THE MIDST OF PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONALITY AND COLOR, I COULD
10:39:14 NOT SAY WITH CONFIDENCE WHEN THINGS ARE WELL HERE IN THE
10:39:17 CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE THEY WATCH US COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND
10:39:20 BEG AND PLEAD AND GOT NOTHING DONE.
10:39:23 NOW, I WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT
10:39:26 TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO USE
10:39:31 THIS TO NOT DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO.
10:39:35 THERE WAS A BAD INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED.
10:39:37 THAT MORNING, THE MAYOR JANE CASTOR, AND I REACHED OUT TO
10:39:42 THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
10:39:44 WITHIN 20 MINUTES WE DID HAVE MAJOR CALVIN JOHNSON, HE
10:39:51 CALLED ME NOT ONCE BUT TWICE.
10:39:53 HE TALKED WITH THE VICTIM NOT ONCE BUT TWICE.
10:39:56 THERE IS THE INVESTIGATION.
10:39:57 HOWEVER, COUNCILMAN GUDES IS CORRECT, THAT OFFICER NEEDS TO
10:40:01 BE REMOVED FROM BEING ON DUTY, BECAUSE THE VICTIM WAS NOT
10:40:08 JUST PROPERTY WAS HURT. THIS VICTIM HAD TO ALSO GO TOTE
10:40:12 DOCTOR.
10:40:12 THE VICTIM PHYSICALLY WAS HURT.
10:40:15 SO THIS COP THAT INITIATED IT WAS OUT OF CONTROL.
10:40:20 HE DIDN'T LISTEN, DO ANYTHING, AND HURT THIS VICTIM.
10:40:23 MILLIMETER BUT WHAT WAS HURTFUL TO ME WHEN THE MOTHER STOOD
10:40:26 THERE WATCHING HER CHILD BE HANDCUFFED, AND SHE KEPT SAYING,
10:40:29 ALL I CAN SEE IS GEORGE FLOYD.
10:40:32 SHE WAS HOLLERING, PLEASE, DON'T KILL MY CHILD, DON'T KILL
10:40:35 MY CHILD.
10:40:36 SOCIETY RIGHT AT TAMPA GENERAL, WE ALMOST HAD A GEORGE FLOYD
10:40:40 INCIDENT.
10:40:41 SO IT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY LOOKED AT.
10:40:44 BUT I'M NOT SO MUCH ALL ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION.
10:40:47 I'M ABOUT THE END SOLUTION, BECAUSE WE INVESTIGATE, AND WHAT
10:40:51 HAPPENS?
10:40:53 THEY ARE JUSTIFIED.
10:40:54 SO THE PEOPLE WANT SOME ACTION NOW.
10:40:56 THEY WANT YOU ALL TO REALLY HEAR US.
10:41:00 DON'T BE "I HEAR YOU" AND THEN WE TALK AND THEN IT GOES
10:41:03 AWAY.
10:41:04 IT IS TIME TO SHOW THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE ALL IN THIS
10:41:07 TOGETHER.
10:41:08 AND IF WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, THEN THESE ARE NOT
10:41:11 THINGS THAT ARE SO HARD THAT WE CANNOT DO.
10:41:16 GRASSROOTS PARTICIPATION IS WHAT'S NECESSARY.
10:41:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:41:21 MS. BURTON, WAIT, WE HAVE TO SANITIZE THE LECTERN.
10:41:35 GO AHEAD, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD
10:41:37 AND SPELL IT.
10:41:38 >> CONNIE BURTON, C-O-N-N-I-E, B-U-R-T-O-N.
10:41:47 FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST SAY THAT THIS AGENDA WE NEED TO
10:41:52 FOLLOW.
10:41:52 YOU CAN'T WITNESS WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN ABOUT THIS COUNTRY AND
10:42:00 MOVE FORWARD WITH A BUSINESS-AS-USUAL MODEL.
10:42:05 THERE'S ONLY ONE THING I WOULD SUPPORT AND THAT'S ITEM 36.
10:42:10 WE NEED TO HAVE A CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN EVERY DECISION
10:42:19 YOU ARE MAKING.
10:42:20 YOU ARE MOVING MONEY AROUND UNDER COVID-19 BUT WE SEE WHERE
10:42:24 PROGRESSIVE MAYORS ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT NOW TO ALLEVIATE
10:42:27 THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US.
10:42:33 PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH RIOTERS.
10:42:36 WHEN I LOOK AT THAT FLAG, IT GOT BLOOD STAINS ALL OVER IT.
10:42:40 EVERY ACTION, EVERY TIME IN YOUR DISTRICT, THEY DIDN'T GO
10:42:47 WITH A BOUQUET OF FLOWERS THAT HAVE BUSINESS IN THE UNITED
10:42:51 STATES, AND LEFT BLOOD ON THE GROUND EVERYWHERE THEY WENT.
10:42:54 SO WHEN I SEE OUR COMMUNITY, IT HAS BEEN CRYING OUT, AND WOO
10:42:58 WE ARE TO THE POINT OF BEING TIRED AND SICK AND TIRED, I
10:43:02 AIN'T GOT NO PROBLEM BECAUSE I KNOW THEIR NAME.
10:43:07 WE SAY THEIR NAMES, NOT JUST THE GEORGE FLOYD, BUT ALSO
10:43:15 MCDONALD, ALSO GEORGE DAVIS, TOO MANY TO NAME.
10:43:21 THAT OUR CHILDREN HAVE NO FOUGHT.
10:43:23 WE DON'T KNOW FROM DAY TO DAY.
10:43:26 SO THIEVERY AND STEALING AND RIOTING, IS PROUD.
10:43:35 OH, YES, SIR, YOU CAN SHAKE ALL YOU WANT TO BECAUSE YOU SOLD
10:43:45 US AND STILL SEE THIS INEQUALITY IN AMERICA.
10:43:48 THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
10:43:49 YOU KNOW IT BECAUSE I AM DOWN HERE EVERY WEEK.
10:43:51 WE SEE ALL THIS GOING BODY CAMERAS, WHAT GOOD IT WOULD BE,
10:43:56 THERE'S NOTICING IN HERE ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:43:58 HOW DO WE FOLLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THEY ARE TIED TO THE
10:44:06 PBA THAT IF THEY TURN OFF THEIR BODY CAMERAS NOTHING HAPPENS
10:44:10 TO THEM.
10:44:11 WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COMMUNITY IS DYING, NOT JUST FROM
10:44:17 COVID-19 BUT ALL THE PREEXISTING THAT YOU KNOW IS HAPPENING.
10:44:20 YOU ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
10:44:22 AND THEN WE GET CHASTISED AND LOOKED AT LIKE YOU DON'T GIVE
10:44:26 A DAMN ABOUT NOTHING.
10:44:28 BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS CITY THE NEXT GREAT CITY.
10:44:32 IT CANNOT BE.
10:44:33 IT CANNOT BE.
10:44:34 I AM SO THANKFUL FOR ALL OF THESE YOUNG WHITE PROTESTORS
10:44:38 BECAUSE IF IT WERE NOT FOR THIS PROTEST WE WOULD BE DEAD.
10:44:48 WE ARE 100 YEARS AWAY FROM WALL STREET, PEOPLE KILLING,
10:44:59 LOOTING, DESTROYING EVERYTHING WE HAD.
10:45:00 WHY?
10:45:03 SUBMISSION.
10:45:04 BLACK MAN LOOKING AT A YOUNG WHITE GIRL.
10:45:07 19-YEAR-OLD BOY.
10:45:08 THAT'S THE HISTORY.
10:45:09 THAT'S WHO YOU ARE.
10:45:10 AND WE NEED TO SEE A CHANGE FROM THE TOP DOWN.
10:45:15 WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
10:45:17 AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE QUIET.
10:45:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:20 >> CHAIR, HOW MANY MORE?
10:45:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE LAST ONE I HAD WAS 17.
10:45:28 DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE?
10:45:29 >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE]
10:45:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:45:34 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:35 I'M SORRY?
10:45:37 WHO IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING?
10:45:38 JUST RAISE YOUR HAND SO WE HAVE A NUMBER.
10:45:45 IF YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU ARE IN LINE
10:45:46 FOR THAT.
10:45:47 ALL RIGHT.
10:45:48 SIR, GO AHEAD.
10:45:49 IF I COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD.
10:45:51 >> HELLO. MY NAME IS TREY, STINHO.
10:46:02 I'M A RECENT GRADUATE.
10:46:03 I LIVED IN TAMPA FOR TEN YEARS NOW.
10:46:07 I'M A NONPROFIT FOUNDER.
10:46:08 I'M AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE ARTS.
10:46:15 AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF I GET EMOTIONAL.
10:46:19 FIRST OFF, YOU SHOULD BE --
10:46:29 I DIDN'T INTEND TO SAY THIS, BUT AS A LAWYER, YOU SHOULD
10:46:34 KNOW THESE WORD.
10:46:36 IT SHUNTS TAKE PEOPLE YELLING AT YOU TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
10:46:40 YOU SHOULD LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I
10:46:42 AM TRYING TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT ALL WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE
10:46:45 DOING RIGHT NOW.
10:46:46 I WATCHED YOU, THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA, FOR THE VAST
10:46:49 MAJORITY OF THIS.
10:46:53 THE VIDEOS SHOW THAT.
10:46:55 LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE.
10:47:01 I WATCHED POLICE OFFICERS TEAR GAS PEOPLE FOR NO REASON.
10:47:05 I WATCHED POLICE OFFICERS DRIVE THROUGH CROWDS OF PEACEFUL
10:47:09 PROTESTORS.
10:47:09 I ALSO WATCHED SOME GOOD POLICE OFFICERS, LET KIDS JUMP ON
10:47:14 THE CAR SO THEY CAN TAKE PICTURES.
10:47:16 THEY ARE NOT ALL AWFUL.
10:47:17 AND WE SHOULDN'T CONDONE LIKE LOOTING, BUT TO DE-EMPHASIZE
10:47:23 THE REASON IT'S HAPPENING IS IMMORAL.
10:47:25 YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO THESE OTHER PEOPLE.
10:47:28 I GET WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY.
10:47:30 AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING BACK ON THE WORD THUG.
10:47:34 BUT WE CAN'T BE FOCUSING ON THAT.
10:47:36 WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
10:47:39 ON THE DOCKET TODAY, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT ECONOMIC
10:47:44 ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT TALKS ABOUT EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND
10:47:48 HELPING THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE DISENFRANCHISED.
10:47:51 YOU SHOULD BE PUSHING THAT THROUGH.
10:47:52 WE SHOULD BE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO ADD BODY CAMERAS BUT
10:47:55 THAT'S A FIRST STEP, RIGHT?
10:47:57 JUST LIKE THE WOMAN BEFORE ME SAID, WE NEED TO LISTEN TO
10:48:01 WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:48:05 AND LET ME MAKE ONE ANALOGY AND I WILL STOP BECAUSE THERE
10:48:08 ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED TO TALK THAT DESERVE TO TALK
10:48:11 MORE THAN I DO.
10:48:14 ON THIS DOCKET WE HAVE THINGS ABOUT PANDEMIC.
10:48:16 WE HAVE THINGS ABOUT SINGLE USE PLASTICS.
10:48:20 AND WE HAVE THINGS ABOUT MONEY GOING TOWARDS BODY CAMERAS,
10:48:23 RIGHT?
10:48:25 THE PANDEMIC, SINGLE-USE PLASTICS AND A LOT OF THE
10:48:30 INJUSTICES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY ARE NOTE
10:48:34 OBVIOUS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE THEM UP
10:48:37 CLOSE AND PERSONAL.
10:48:37 IT TOOK PEOPLE DYING FOR US TO SEE THE PANDEMIC AND IT'S
10:48:40 GOING TO TAKE PLUS SPILLING INTO THE STREETS FOR US TO SEE
10:48:44 THE PROBLEMS WITH SINGLE-USE PLASTIC, AND IT'S TAKEN RIOTERS
10:48:48 AND PROTESTERS AND YES, LOOTERS TO MAKE US HAVE THIS
10:48:51 CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SOMEONE LIKE ME, A
10:48:54 26-YEAR-OLD WHITE MAN WITH ALL THE PRIVILEGES IN THE WORLD
10:48:57 TO COME HERE AND SAY I NEED TO BE SAY SOMETHING TO YOU
10:49:00 PEOPLE.
10:49:03 SO LET'S DO BETTER.
10:49:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:49:07 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:49:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
10:49:12 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS A GOOD FRIEND TO ME.
10:49:16 I KNOW HE DIDN'T MEAN, MUST HAVE MISINTERPRETED, SAID I
10:49:22 MISSPOKE BEFORE, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS SAYING AT TIMES WAS
10:49:27 OFFENDING TO PEOPLE.
10:49:28 THAT'S THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY.
10:49:29 WE HAVE TO LEARN THESE NEW BUZZ WORDS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY
10:49:32 MEAN.
10:49:32 YOU USED THAT WORD MONTHS AGO.
10:49:34 THAT'S A WORD COMMON WORDS.
10:49:40 SOME OF THE COMMON WORDS NOW.
10:49:42 SO I ACCEPT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S APOLOGY BECAUSE HE STOOD
10:49:46 UP FOR ME WHEN I WAS ATTACKED WHEN I USED A WORD THAT
10:49:50 OFFENDED FOLKS.
10:49:51 SO I ACCEPT HIS APOLOGY PUBLICLY.
10:49:53 THAT HE UNDERSTANDS, HE WORKS WITH ME ALL THE TIME, HE
10:49:57 DEFENDS OUR BALLPARK COMMUNITIES, HE LEADS THE CHARGE WHEN
10:50:00 IT COMES TO MINORITY BUSINESSES, HE SCRUTINIZES EVERY
10:50:03 MINUTE.
10:50:03 I SEE MR. SPEARMAN IN THE BACK, AND GETS SEVERAL CALLS FROM
10:50:10 MR. DINGFELDER, I KNOW HE DOES, TO SCRUTINIZE CONTRACTS.
10:50:15 SO I STAND WITH YOU.
10:50:17 I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.
10:50:19 I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY PUBLICLY.
10:50:22 AND AGAIN I STAND WITH YOU.
10:50:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
10:50:30 I TOO WAS IN A LEARNING SITUATION.
10:50:32 I POSTED ABOUT BEING ARM IN ARM WITH PROTESTORS THIS
10:50:38 WEEKEND.
10:50:38 AND MY MESSAGE WAS TO CONVEY THAT EVERYBODY WAS THERE, ALL
10:50:47 SKIN COLORS, BLACK, BROWN, WHITE.
10:50:52 AND I WANTED TO INCLUDE ASIANS AND NATIVE AMERICANS.
10:51:00 AND I USE THE WORDS YELLOW AND RED, NOT KNOWING THAT THEY
10:51:05 WERE OFFENSIVE TO SOME PEOPLE.
10:51:11 I APOLOGIZE TO MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE WHO IS ASIAN-AMERICAN.
10:51:20 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I ALSO ACCEPT YOUR A METEOROLOGY.
10:51:23 WE RECALL HAVE TO LEARN THE NARRATIVES OF THE WORDS WE USE.
10:51:29 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MR. CHAIR.
10:51:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:51:32 MA'AM, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE AND SPELL IT FOR
10:51:34 THE RECORD.
10:51:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY NAME IS LINTASHA, ARTIS.
10:51:44 AND I'M VERY, VERY NERVOUS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING I HAVE
10:51:48 EVER DONE BEFORE.
10:51:49 BUT I LISTENED TO OUT IN THE HALLWAY, THE NARRATIVES, AND I
10:52:01 GET THE WHOLLY THING.
10:52:01 THE ONE THING THAT GOES, THAT'S JUST REALLY IN MY SPIRIT AT
10:52:05 THIS TIME IS I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IF WE DO NOT LEAVE
10:52:10 THIS PLACE TODAY WITH AT LEAST ONE PLAN OF ACTION, ONE THING
10:52:18 THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO F.F WE LEAVE THIS PLACE TODAY, THIS
10:52:22 CONVERSATION IS, THIS ENERGY, THIS PASSION, ALL OF IT WILL
10:52:25 BE LOST.
10:52:26 SO MY INTENT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
10:52:30 IF IT'S NOT LET ME NOT AND I WILL HAVE A SEAT.
10:52:33 BUT MY INTENT IS TO SHARE MY THREE MINUTES WITH YOU AND ASK
10:52:36 YOU WHAT CAN WE WALK AWAY WITH TODAY THAT WE KNOW WE ARE
10:52:43 GOING TO DO, WE KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE APPOINTED TO DO IT,
10:52:47 WE KNOW WHEN WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.
10:52:51 A COUPLE THINGS I HEARD IN THE ROOM, JUST SUGGESTIONS, WAS
10:52:57 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, FAIROAKS, CITIZENS
10:53:04 REVIEW BOARD, ECONOMIC COMMITTEE.
10:53:06 WHAT CAN WE DO TODAY?
10:53:10 AND WHO CAN BE RESPONSIBLE?
10:53:11 AND WHEN CAN WE FOLLOW UP WITH IT?
10:53:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MA'AM, WE HAVE A STRONG MAYOR OF
10:53:23 GOVERNMENT SO WE CAN MAKE MOTIONS OF THINGS WE LIKE TO SEE
10:53:26 AND THOSE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE BODY COME BACK AND TELL US.
10:53:30 SO I CAN'T TELL YOU -- NOTHING THAT YOU ASK FOR WILL BE
10:53:35 TODAY BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION PORTION
10:53:38 WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.
10:53:39 SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT ANYTHING WE CAN MAKE A
10:53:46 RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO SOMETHING, AND TALK
10:53:48 ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
10:53:50 I WILL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
10:53:52 SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN TODAY.
10:53:56 >> WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT JUST A COMMITMENT AS WELL.
10:54:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
10:54:04 >>LUIS VIERA: AND JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I TALKED ABOUT,
10:54:08 AND WE CAN DISCUSS AT THE END.
10:54:09 NUMBER ONE, TALKING ABOUT WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING TODAY ON
10:54:13 BODY CAMERAS, SOMETHING THAT AGAIN WE SHOULD HAVE HAD YEARS
10:54:16 AGO.
10:54:18 IN TALKING ABOUT POLICY IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY
10:54:21 ARE ACTIVELY USED.
10:54:22 WE CAN BE TALKING ABOUT THE WORK THAT OUR COLLEAGUES,
10:54:25 COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN CITRO,
10:54:30 MICHAEL STEVENS BEGAN ON OUR CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH
10:54:33 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, ARE GETTING MORE SPECIFICS AND
10:54:36 SPECIFICITY ON THAT, WHO IS DOING THE TRAINING, THE
10:54:39 SUBSTANCE OF THE TRAINING, ET CETERA.
10:54:41 WE CAN TALK ABOUT CONTINUED COMMUNITY ENGAGE.
10:54:45 WITH TPD AND THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WE AS COUNCIL CAN DO TO
10:54:47 FURTHER BE INVOLVED WITH THAT.
10:54:49 WE CAN TALK ABOUT CONTAINMENT POLICIES, LIKE I BROUGHT UP IN
10:54:53 MY OPENING REMARKS AND CHIEF DUGAN IS GOING TO BE HERE.
10:54:56 WE CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE
10:54:58 OF NIGHTS AGO AND THINGS THAT PROSPECTIVELY THE CHICAGO OF
10:55:02 TAMPA CAN APPROVE IN RELATIONS.
10:55:05 THAT'S MORE THAN 30 SECONDS BUT THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK
10:55:07 ABOUT.
10:55:07 >> ALL THE SPEECHES THAT WERE MADE, VERY INFORMATIVE.
10:55:14 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH SO VERY MUCH.
10:55:15 AND ONE QUESTION.
10:55:17 AS A CITIZEN WHO DOESN'T KNOW MUCH OF THIS, HOW DO I KEEP UP
10:55:21 WITH THE PROGRESS ON THAT?
10:55:24 JUST KEEP FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETINGS?
10:55:30 >>LUIS VIERA: MY AIDE BRANDON, WHO IS HERE SOMEWHERE, GOD
10:55:34 BLESS HER, WE'LL GET YOU INFORMATION AND KEEP YOU ABREAST.
10:55:39 SHE'LL COME TO YOU.
10:55:40 GOD BLESS HER.
10:55:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:55:43 AND JUST A QUICK NOTE.
10:55:44 AFTER WE FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT, IN WE COULD TAKE A
10:55:47 TEN-MINUTE RECESS, USE THE RESTROOM, AND WHATNOT.
10:55:51 BECAUSE WE ARE GOING ON TWO HOURS STRAIGHT.
10:55:53 AND THEN WE GO RIGHT INTO THE AGENDA.
10:55:58 ALL RIGHT, MA'AM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND
10:56:01 SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD.
10:56:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY NAME IS TANDA, MCCRAY.
10:56:09 GOOD MORNING.
10:56:12 I DIDN'T COME HERE TO YELL OR TO SCREAM.
10:56:16 I'M A SOLUTION PERSON.
10:56:17 I'M A MOTHER.
10:56:18 AND I'M A GRANDMOTHER.
10:56:22 I SPENT 25 YEARS AS A NURSE.
10:56:25 BUT I SAW A NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:56:26 I CHANGED MY CAREER.
10:56:30 I'M A CURRENT STUDENT RIGHT NOW AT USF STUDYING CRIMINOLOGY.
10:56:36 TALK IS CHEAP.
10:56:38 AND CHANGE COME FROM BOTH SIDES.
10:56:40 BUT I'M A HISTORY PERSON.
10:56:42 AND IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE CENTURY, FLORIDA LED THE NATION
10:56:46 WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF LYNCHING PER CAPITA.
10:56:49 TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS BEEN UNDER
10:56:54 SIEGE, IN 1920, OCOEE, FLORIDA, AND THEN AGAIN IN ROSEWOOD
10:57:00 IN 1923.
10:57:02 NOW, A LOT HAS CHANGED, BUT A LOT HAS REMIND THE SAME.
10:57:07 WE ARE NEVER GOING TO CHANGE IF WE CAN'T HAVE AN OPEN
10:57:10 DIALOGUE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:57:16 WE HAVE INEQUALITY.
10:57:17 NOT JUST RACIAL INEQUALITY, BUT ECONOMIC INEQUALITY.
10:57:24 IF YOU WANT TO KILL A NATION, YOU --
10:57:35 MY CONCERN IS THE YOUTH.
10:57:39 OUR YOUTH IS DISPROPORTIONATELY REPRESENTED IN THE CRIMINAL
10:57:43 JUSTICE SYSTEM.
10:57:45 THEY DON'T GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT WHITE KIDS DID.
10:57:51 THEY HAUL THEM OFF FROM SCHOOL, STRAIGHT TO JAIL.
10:57:54 AND NOW THEY ARE LABELED.
10:57:58 DO WE WANT TO CHANGE AND MAKE CHANGE?
10:58:01 WE CAN PUT DOWN ALL THE LAW AND ALL THE POLICIES WE WANT.
10:58:04 BUT IF WE DON'T CHANGE IT.
10:58:09 CHANGE IN THE MIND AND THE HEART.
10:58:12 FOR THE YOUNG BLACK KIDS THAT LIVE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:58:16 I SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
10:58:21 I CAME FROM THE SIXTIES ERA, MY MOM TOLD US, IF YOU SEE A
10:58:27 CAR COMING DOWN THE STREET, LIKE IN THE BACK WOODS OF
10:58:30 GEORGIA, IF YOU SEE A CAR COMING DOWN THE ROAD YOU GET OFF
10:58:33 THE HIGHWAY OR YOU RUN THE RISK OF BEING RAPED OR KILLED.
10:58:36 BECAUSE THAT'S THE ERA THAT I GREW UP IN.
10:58:39 BUT WHAT THAT ERA DID NOTE DO WAS HARDEN MY HEART.
10:58:44 I CAN LOVE MY BROTHERS AND MY SISTERS.
10:58:49 AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER?
10:58:51 YES, I AM.
10:58:52 AND I HAVE A CHARGE TO KEEP.
10:58:54 AND THAT CHARGE KEEP THAT I HAVE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
10:58:58 GENERATIONS THAT COME AFTER ME IS BETTER, AND I LEAVE A
10:59:02 BETTER WORLD THAN THE ONE I LIVED IN.
10:59:05 AND RIGHT NOW, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE TOOK 20 YEARS BACK.
10:59:10 AND LIKE I SAID, I'M A SOLUTION PERSON.
10:59:14 SO I'M ASKING THE CITY, AS A PERSON THAT YOU WERE TO COME
10:59:18 INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
10:59:20 WHEN AN OFFICER COMMITS A CRIME, THE OFFICER SHOULD BE
10:59:23 CHARGED, AND THERE SHOULD BE NO -- I GOT TO GO THROUGH ALL
10:59:35 THESE DEMONSTRATIONS.
10:59:36 IF YOU CAN BEAR ME A FEW MORE MINUTES.
10:59:38 [BELL SOUNDS]
10:59:39 THERE IS NO PROCESS WHEN SOMEBODY DIES.
10:59:41 THERE IS NO PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY IS BEING CHOKED.
10:59:43 THERE IS NO PROCESS WHEN SOMEBODY GETTING BEAT. IF I BEAT
10:59:48 MY CHILD YOU ARE GOING TO ARREST ME FOR ABUSING MY CHILD.
10:59:52 THAT'S WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY.
10:59:53 WE ARE LOSING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
10:59:58 BLACK MEN ARE FIFTY TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE AT THE HANDS OF
11:00:04 POLICE.
11:00:05 I KNOW I AM OUT OF TIME.
11:00:07 BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M A RESEARCH PERSON.
11:00:09 AND I AM GOING TO LEAVE MY RESEARCH FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT
11:00:12 IT.
11:00:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU COULD HAND IT TO THE
11:00:16 GENTLEMAN --
11:00:18 >> AND FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
11:00:20 WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF CHANGES RIGHT NOW.
11:00:22 WE CAN SUSPEND THESE OFFICERS AND DO AN INVESTIGATION.
11:00:29 I KNOW DO THE BODY CAMERAS.
11:00:35 THE FIRST TIME OFFICER GOES TO A CITY AND THAT CAMERA IS NOT
11:00:39 ON THEY SHOULD BE TERMINATED.
11:00:41 AND THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE CAN DO, THE BIGGEST CHANGE
11:00:44 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN EVER DO FOR THEIR CITIZENS, IF AN
11:00:49 OFFICER GET MORE THAN THREE INFRACTIONS ON THEIR RECORD,
11:00:52 THEY NEED TO BE TERMINATED, NOT JUST TERMINATED, LOSE THEIR
11:00:57 LICENSE, BECAUSE AS A NURSE, IF THE BOARD OF NURSING IS
11:01:05 GOING TO TAKE MY LICENSE AND IF A DOCTOR DO THE SAME THING
11:01:08 THE DOCTOR LOSE HIS LICENSE, AND LOSE THEIR LICENSE WITH THE
11:01:13 BOARD.
11:01:14 SAME THING SHOULD APPLY TO OFFICERS.
11:01:16 AND EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING A LITMUS TEST.
11:01:20 I WANT TO THANK YOU.
11:01:27 GOD BLESS YOU.
11:01:28 HAVE A GOOD DAY.
11:01:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:32 WHO IS THE LAST SPEAKER, DEBBY?
11:01:44 OKAY, SO WE HAVE A FEW MORE.
11:01:46 ALL RIGHT.
11:01:47 GO AHEAD.
11:01:48 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
11:01:51 PLEASE SPELL IT.
11:01:52 >> MY NAME IS LEROMDA THOMAS.
11:02:01 I AM NOT GOING TO BE UP HERE LONG.
11:02:04 WHAT DO I TELL MY SON WHEN I HAVE THE CONVERSATION, PAY
11:02:10 ATTENTION TO OFFICERS, DO WHAT THEY SAY.
11:02:14 WHEN YOU DO WHAT THEY SAY, YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE OF DYING
11:02:17 SO WHAT DO I TELL MY CHILDREN?
11:02:19 WHAT EDUCATION DO I GIVE THEM TO DO WITH OFFICERS?
11:02:23 I HAVE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE I HAVE BEEN MISTREATED BY
11:02:26 OFFICERS, AND ALL CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED.
11:02:29 BUT WHEN THEY COME, THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ANYBODY
11:02:34 HAS TO SAY BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG.
11:02:37 AND WHAT DO I SAY TO MY SON?
11:02:39 WHAT DO I TELL THEM?
11:02:43 AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU A REFERENCE POINT.
11:02:49 WITH THE BUZZ WORD, IT IS A BUZZ WORD.
11:02:52 THUG MEANS THE HATE YOU GIVE.
11:02:57 SO WHEN YOU USE THAT WORD, IN A HATEFUL WAY, THAT IS WHAT
11:03:01 YOU ARE GOING TO GET BACK.
11:03:03 YOU CAN USE A DIFFERENT WORD, BECAUSE I DEFINITELY AGREE
11:03:07 WITH YOU, THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY.
11:03:12 A TV DOES NOT EQUAL A MAN'S LIFE.
11:03:14 IT DOESN'T.
11:03:15 BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE VOLATILE.
11:03:19 THEIR EMOTIONS ARE UP HERE.
11:03:21 SO THEY ARE GOING TO USE ANYTHING THAT YOU SAY THAT IS NOT
11:03:24 MATCHING THIS RIGHT HERE TO USE AGAINST YOU.
11:03:28 SO THEN IF YOU COME AND SAY THUGS, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
11:03:32 WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ELSE YOU SAY AFTER THAT.
11:03:35 SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT, OKAY?
11:03:37 I LOVE YOU.
11:03:38 I LOVE YOU.
11:03:39 BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD.
11:03:41 I LOVE YOU.
11:03:41 I LOVE ALL OF YOU.
11:03:42 I WORKED WITH ORLANDO BEFORE.
11:03:47 ALL YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME BUT YOU NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT'S
11:03:51 GOING ON HERE.
11:03:54 WHAT DO I TELL MY SON?
11:03:56 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:03:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:04:13 YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE
11:04:15 RECORD.
11:04:16 >> MY NAME IS LENRYA THOMAS. WHEN I FIRST CAME WITH MY MOM
11:04:27 I DIDN'T PLAN ON SPEAKING BUT WHEN I LISTENED TO ALL THE
11:04:31 PEOPLE BEFORE ME, I FELT A GREAT INJUSTICE TO NOT SPEAK ON
11:04:36 BEHALF OF MY GENERATION.
11:04:37 SO AFTER SEEING LIKE -- SEEING ALL THE LOOTING GOING OWN,
11:04:44 PEOPLE JUST DOING WHATEVER, I SAW ONE OF MY FRIENDS CRY
11:04:49 BECAUSE LIKE MY MOM SAID, WHAT DO -- LIKE I'M 16.
11:04:56 MY DAD, MY GRANDPARENTS, MY GRANDFATHER, MY UNCLES WHEN THEY
11:05:00 GO OUT EVERY DAY.
11:05:01 MY DAD, HE STILL HAS TO GO TO WORK.
11:05:03 WHEN HE GETS IN HIS CAR, WHEN HE GETS IN HIS TRUCK, HOW DO I
11:05:07 NOT KNOW HE'S NOT COMING BACK LATER?
11:05:10 WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO THINK WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE -- THEY ARE
11:05:17 NOT ALL BAD ONES BECAUSE SOME OF THEM SPOKE TO ME.
11:05:21 THEY ARE NOT ALL BAD ONES BUT WHEN YOU GET OVER YOU NEVER
11:05:25 KNOW WHICH ONE YOU GET.
11:05:27 YOU NEVER KNOW AT THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU GET PULLED OVER IF
11:05:29 THAT'S GOING TO BE THE END OF YOUR LIFE.
11:05:31 YOU NEVER KNOW.
11:05:33 AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, WE ARE ANGRY.
11:05:36 I'M ANGRY.
11:05:37 I'M BLACK IN AMERICA, A COUNTRY WHERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO
11:05:43 LISTEN.
11:05:43 I'M SORRY FOR GETTING EMOTIONAL, BUT IT'S HARD WHEN YOU ARE
11:05:47 SCARED EVERY DAY TO GO OUT, JUST BECAUSE LIKE YOU NEVER
11:05:50 KNOW, YOU MIGHT DIE.
11:05:55 NOT EVEN JUST BLACK PEOPLE.
11:05:56 WHITE PEOPLE, LATINO PEOPLE, NATIVE AMERICANS, ASIANS,
11:06:02 HANDICAPPED, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE IN AND IT'S NOT
11:06:04 FAIR BECAUSE THE SAME THING THAT YOU ALL BELIEVED IN BACK IN
11:06:07 THE DAYS WHEN YOU ALL, LIKE THE LADY SAID, WHEN BLACK WALL
11:06:13 STREET, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU ALL?
11:06:14 NOTHING.
11:06:14 AND IT'S NOT FAIR.
11:06:17 THANK YOU.
11:06:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:35 YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE
11:06:37 RECORD.
11:06:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEWYN.
11:06:45 I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND THAT TEXTED ME WHEN I TOLD HIM I WAS
11:06:48 GOING TO COME DOWN HERE, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, BE SMART, A
11:06:51 LEADER, DON'T GET EMOTIONAL AND I RESPECT THAT OPINION BUT I
11:06:55 CAN'T HELP BE EMOTIONAL TODAY.
11:06:57 THAT YOUNG LADY IN THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAVE HAD TO HAVE
11:06:59 WITH MY DAUGHTERS IS ONE THAT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THIS
11:07:02 COUNTRY ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW WITH THEIR CHILDREN ABOUT,
11:07:07 ANGRY AND AFRAID AND UPSET.
11:07:09 WHEN I DID COME HERE AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT BODY CAMERAS, I
11:07:12 TOOK DOWN A COUPLE OF NOTES BECAUSE AS A LONG TIME RESIDENT
11:07:15 OF THIS CITY I'M ANGRY AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU UP HERE
11:07:18 SHOULD BE ANGRY.
11:07:19 EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THIS TOWN SHOULD BE ANGRY BECAUSE
11:07:22 WHAT WE ARE SEEING FROM SOME OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS RIGHT
11:07:25 NOW ARE SAYING ONE THING AND DON SOMETHING ELSE IS THE
11:07:28 HEIGHT OF THE HYPOCRISY.
11:07:31 ON TUESDAY NIGHT, PEOPLE WERE GASSED IN THIS GREAT CITY.
11:07:35 RUBBER BULLETS WERE FIRED ON PEACEFUL PROTESTORS THAT WERE
11:07:38 DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
11:07:40 AND NOW WHAT THE SHAME IS?
11:07:42 THE SHAME IS, I CALLED SEVERAL OF YOU.
11:07:44 WE ALL HAVE GREAT PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS.
11:07:47 BUT NONE OF YOU KNEW THAT THAT TYPE OF FORCE WAS GOING TO BE
11:07:50 USED IN THIS CITY.
11:07:51 THE NATIONAL GUARD WAS CALLED IN HERE ON SUNDAY.
11:07:54 THE COUNTY COMMISSION DIDN'T KNOW.
11:07:56 THE SHERIFF DIDN'T KNOW.
11:07:58 THE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW.
11:08:00 WHAT IS GOING ON IN TAMPA RIGHT NOW?
11:08:05 I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
11:08:06 THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO SHIFT THE NARRATIVE FROM BLACK
11:08:09 PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHTS TO EXIST AND SIMPLY BE IN
11:08:12 THIS COUNTRY TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT
11:08:15 AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, THIS THAT IS NOT THE ARGUMENT AND
11:08:19 DISCUSSION TO HAVE RIGHT NOW.
11:08:20 PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE A
11:08:23 RIGHT TO PROTEST AND EVERY ACTION THAT THIS CITY TAKES NEEDS
11:08:26 TO REFLECT THAT.
11:08:27 NOW, I AM GOING TO HE WILL YOU LIKE. THIS I READ THE MEDIA
11:08:31 STORY YESTERDAY, AND IT SAID THAT THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT
11:08:33 GROUPS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA TUESDAY NIGHT, AND THAT THEY WERE
11:08:37 WARNED THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
11:08:39 BUT IT WAS IN THREE VERY DISTINCT PLACES.
11:08:43 READ BETWEEN THE LINES.
11:08:45 NEXT TO THIS BUILDING IS ONE OF THE PLACES THEY WERE WARNED.
11:08:49 NOW WHAT ELSE?
11:08:50 THERE WAS A FACEBOOK LIVE VIDEO THAT MY WIFE AND I WERE
11:08:54 WATCHING THAT NIGHT WHERE THEY WERE SURROUNDED BY POLICE AND
11:08:57 COULDN'T MOVE OUT OF THE WAIT IF THEY WANTED TO, THOSE
11:08:59 PEACEFUL PROTESTORS.
11:09:00 SO MY QUESTION FOR THE COUNCIL, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE AS
11:09:03 PRODUCTIVE AS I CAN BE, AND PLEASE FORGIVE MY ANGER AS A
11:09:07 FORMER ELECTED OFFICIAL, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH
11:09:09 RIGHT NOW.
11:09:10 BUT WE NEED TO BE ASKING OURSELVES, WHY WAS FORCE USED TO
11:09:13 BREAK UP A PEACEFUL PROTEST?
11:09:15 I SAW THE GARBAGE CAN WITH THE BRICKS.
11:09:17 COME ON, WOULD YOU KNOW INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED.
11:09:20 THREE DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE CITY.
11:09:21 LOOK AT THAT MEDIA STORY.
11:09:23 SECOND, WHAT ARE THE HEADLINES FOR PEOPLE TO PEACEFULLY
11:09:27 PROTEST?
11:09:28 WHAT ARE THEY?
11:09:29 AND HOW HAVE THEY BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS
11:09:32 CITY?
11:09:33 BECAUSE I ASSURE YOU THAT AS A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT
11:09:36 WERE OUT THERE ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MONDAY, TUESDAY, IF YOU
11:09:40 TELL THEM WHAT THE RULES ARE, THEY WILL FOLLOW THOSE TO THE
11:09:43 BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.
11:09:44 BUT WHEN YOU TURN THIS STORY INTO LOOTERS AND THE PEOPLE
11:09:48 THAT ARE DISTRACTING FROM THE ACTUAL MOVEMENT THAT'S TAKING
11:09:51 PLACE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
11:09:54 FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME IDEAS.
11:09:57 THIS COUNCIL SHOULD DEMAND A REPORT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED
11:09:59 TUESDAY NIGHT.
11:10:00 THERE WAS A PRESS CONFERENCE, BUT AS OF YESTERDAY AFTERNOON,
11:10:03 SEVERAL OF YOU MEMBERS COULDN'T TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED
11:10:05 BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
11:10:08 THAT'S WRONG, GUYS.
11:10:09 [BELL SOUNDS]
11:10:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, IF HE COULD CONTINUE.
11:10:17 >> THANK YOU.
11:10:17 I'LL WRAP UP AS SOON AS IRK HEAR.
11:10:19 IF YOU ARE GOING TO PASS A RESOLUTION TODAY, YOU SHOULD PASS
11:10:22 A RESOLUTION THAT ENCOURAGES THE STATE ATTORNEY AND THE
11:10:25 MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DROP THE CHARGES THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT
11:10:28 WERE PROTESTING FOR WERE GIVEN ON TUESDAY NIGHT.
11:10:31 THE UNLAWFUL GATHERING CHARGE.
11:10:34 FINALLY, I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING THAT I NEVER SAID BEFORE
11:10:37 ON THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
11:10:39 BUT I DO BELIEVE AT THIS TIME IN THIS ERA WITH EVERYTHING
11:10:43 THAT'S GOING ON WITH BLACK PEOPLE, THAT THAT CITIZENS REVIEW
11:10:47 BOARD SHOULD HAVE SUBPOENA POWER.
11:10:50 A CHANGE FROM SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IN THE PAST BUT RIGHT
11:10:52 NOW THAT POWER NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK IN THE HANDS OF THE
11:10:54 PEOPLE.
11:10:56 YOU ALL ARE GOOD METROPOLITAN AND I KNOW YOUR HEARTS.
11:10:59 I KNOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS RIGHT.
11:11:00 I KNOW THAT.
11:11:01 BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS YOUR JOB ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF
11:11:03 THIS CITY TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY, ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON
11:11:07 TUESDAY NIGHT, AND EVERY USE OF FORCE IN THIS CITY.
11:11:11 AGAIN, I CAN'T HELP BUT BE EMOTIONAL.
11:11:14 AND I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO RAISE MY VOICE ON THIS ISSUE
11:11:17 AS SIMPLY A PRIVATE CITIZEN, NO JACKET, NO SUIT, NO TIE,
11:11:21 WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE TO ENSURE THAT THAT YOUNG THAT
11:11:23 JUST SPOKE, MY LITTLE GIRLS, YOUR GRANDKIDS, ALL HAVE A
11:11:26 BETTER SOCIETY.
11:11:27 WE ARE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THIS WORLD THE WAY IT IS.
11:11:31 THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
11:11:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:48 GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:11:49 IF COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE
11:11:51 RECORD.
11:11:51 >> COLLIN SHERWIN, S-H-E-R-W-I-N.
11:11:57 I THINK THIS IS A TIME WHEN A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE NEED TO BE
11:12:00 DOING MORE LISTENING THAN TALKING SO I WILL BE BRIEF.
11:12:03 I WORKED WITH ED ON GETTING THE PETITION FOR BODY CAMERAS
11:12:07 EARLIER THIS WEEK.
11:12:08 AND I WAS FIRST OF ALL FOR THOSE WHO SIGNED, SOME OF THEM
11:12:12 MIGHT BE IN THIS ROOM, THANK YOU.
11:12:14 I THINK IT SHOWED IF THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS REALLY BEHIND
11:12:17 MAKING THE CHANGE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
11:12:20 I KNOW THESE BUDGETS ARE TOUGH RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE GOING
11:12:23 TO GET WORSE AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE WORST THING THAT WE
11:12:27 HAVE SEEN SINCE THE GREAT RECESSION BUT THE OPERATOR BEING
11:12:31 SHOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE OF COLOR AND ALL CITIZENS
11:12:34 AS WELL AS THE POLICE ARE BEING PROTECTED I THINK IS A
11:12:38 POSITIVE AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER
11:12:39 ON.
11:12:41 I WANT TO THANK YOU.
11:12:42 I WANT TO THANK ED FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THAT AND TO
11:12:46 EVERYBODY OUT THERE.
11:12:47 I AM GOING TO SHUT UP AND LISTEN AGAIN.
11:12:49 THANK YOU.
11:12:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:13:03 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
11:13:04 IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND PLEAS SPELL IT FOR THE
11:13:06 RECORD.
11:13:06 >> JARPAQAROM WILIFORT.
11:13:18 I AM GLAD TO BE HERE TO REPRESENT ME AND MY GENERATION
11:13:21 BEHIND.
11:13:23 I HAVE BEEN IN COLLEGE IN TAMPA.
11:13:24 I HAVE BEEN HARASSED, A LOT OF TIMES, CAR WHIPPED UP ON THE
11:13:27 WAY TO CLASS, AND I DON'T WANT MY EMOTION TO BE CONFUSED OR
11:13:31 TO BE SWITCHED.
11:13:32 I AM ALLOWED TO FEEL THIS WAY.
11:13:34 BUT I AM GOING TO LEAVE THIS MESSAGE HERE.
11:13:36 OUR GENERATION AND THE GENERATION BEHIND ME COMING UP IS
11:13:39 MORE DIVERSE, MORE TELLING, MORE INFORMED, MORE TOLERANT,
11:13:43 THAN ANY GENERATION BEHIND US.
11:13:45 WE ARE SMART, ENERGIZING CONNECTED AND READY TO BUILD A
11:13:49 COUNTRY AND SOCIETY WHERE EVERYONE FEELS SAFE AND
11:13:52 PROTECTED -- EMOTIONAL HERE -- PROTECTED BY INSTITUTIONS OF
11:13:58 OUR DEMOCRACY.
11:14:01 WE HAVE LEARNED TO WORK TOGETHER AND TO PROMOTE BETTER
11:14:06 FUTURE, EVEN WHEN SUCH A POSSIBILITY SEEMS HOPELESS AND OUT
11:14:09 OF REACH.
11:14:11 BY ACTIVELY ACKNOWLEDGING AND PROTECTING THE RACISM THAT HAS
11:14:14 LONG DEFINED OUR NATION'S HISTORY, OUR GENERATION, THE
11:14:18 GENERATION BEHIND US IS PROVIDING THE HOPE THAT WE ALL NEED.
11:14:21 SO LISTEN TO US, BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU
11:14:25 DON'T LISTEN TO US IS GOING TO GO TO WAR.
11:14:30 YOU HAVE POLICE LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID.
11:14:34 TEAR GAS.
11:14:37 WE PUT YOU GUYS IN THIS SEAT.
11:14:39 AND I TELL EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE,
11:14:44 BECAUSE YOU ARE LEADERS.
11:14:46 AND WE CAPTAIN BE LED BY YOU WHILE YOU ARE HERE.
11:14:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:58 DEBBY, WHO IS OUR LAST SPEAKER?
11:15:01 ALL RIGHT.
11:15:04 DOES THAT MAKE FOUR PEOPLE TOTAL?
11:15:06 AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A TEN-MINUTE BREAK.
11:15:08 >> MY NAME IS BEAU, ROBICH.
11:15:20 I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT RIGHT NOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE PEOPLE
11:15:24 IN THE ROOM, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE COMMUNITY LEADERS WHO
11:15:26 ARE WORKING HARD TO TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS SITUATION, AND
11:15:29 WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS CITY COUNCIL IS
11:15:32 MAKING AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.
11:15:36 MANY OF THESE EFFORTS ARE GOING TO FALL SHORT WITHOUT
11:15:38 SUFFICIENT FUNDS.
11:15:39 AT THIS MOMENT EVERY CITY, COUNTY AND STATE GOVERNMENT FACES
11:15:44 BUDGET SHORTFALL DUE TO THE COVID-19.
11:15:47 THAT THE MOMENT OUR CITY IS SPENDING IF MONEY THAT PEOPLE
11:15:52 ARE IN JAIL BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD BAIL.
11:15:55 AT THIS MOMENT PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY AND WASHINGTON, D.C. ARE
11:15:58 NOT FACING THAT PROBLEM.
11:16:00 AND THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND NEW JERSEY AREN'T
11:16:02 FACING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING ARRESTED, THEY ARE STILL
11:16:05 SHOCK UP AT TRIAL THE SAME RATE PEOPLE ARE BEING
11:16:08 INCARCERATED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD BAIL.
11:16:11 AND THE FOLKS WHO HAVE GOTTEN OUT, THEY ARE HAPPIER, THEY
11:16:14 ARE LEADING MORE PRODUCTIVE LIVES AND THEIR CITY AND COUNTY
11:16:19 GOVERNMENTS SAVED MONEY DOING SO.
11:16:20 SO I AM ASKING THIS COUNCIL TO HELP PUSH TO END CASH BAIL
11:16:26 AND SAVE THE MONEY SO WE CAN AFFORD TO END POLICE BRUTALITY
11:16:29 AND COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO DO SO.
11:16:31 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:16:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:48 PLEAS STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD.
11:16:51 >> RONALD HALL.
11:16:55 AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL, I WASN'T PLANNING ON BEING HERE TO
11:16:58 SPEAK.
11:16:59 I WAS TAKING MY MORNING WALK, ALONG RIVERWALK, AND I SAW THE
11:17:04 POLICEMEN, WAS THANKING THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE AND
11:17:08 APOLOGIZING TO THEM FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY HAVE HAD TO
11:17:11 PUT UP WITH HERE IN THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF.
11:17:13 AND THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY, WHY DON'T
11:17:16 YOU GO INSIDE?
11:17:18 SO HERE I AM.
11:17:19 I HEARD A GENTLEMAN A FEW SPEAKERS BEFORE SAY, YOU KNOW,
11:17:24 THAT WE NEED TO MAKE PROGRESS, WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD.
11:17:29 WELL, I AM OF THE AGE WHERE I REMEMBER LITTLE ROCK SCROLL.
11:17:34 I REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AT THAT TIME,
11:17:36 EISENHOWER, SENDING IN FEDERAL TROOPS.
11:17:39 I CAN REMEMBER AT THAT TIME BLACKS, WHICH WEREN'T CALLED
11:17:45 BLACKS AT THAT TIME, HAD TO SIT IN THE BACK OF THE BUS.
11:17:48 I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THEY HAD THEIR OWN WATER FOUNTAIN.
11:17:51 I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THEY HAD THEIR OWN RESTROOMS.
11:17:54 I REMEMBER WHEN THEY HAD THEIR OWN SCHOOLS.
11:17:56 THESE WERE NOTE RIGHT.
11:17:57 THESE WERE NOT GOOD TIMES.
11:17:59 BUT TODAY THEY ARE BETTER TIMES.
11:18:01 WILL THEY GET BETTER IN THE FUTURE?
11:18:03 I CERTAINLY HOPE SO.
11:18:04 BUT ONE THING I NOTICED WHEN I CAME IN HERE IS THAT THERE
11:18:06 ARE RULES.
11:18:08 AND I SAY THAT YOU ARE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT THOSE OF US WHO
11:18:12 ARE OUT HERE FOLLOW THOSE RULES.
11:18:14 SIX FEET APART.
11:18:15 THREE MINUTES TO TALK.
11:18:17 I AM POSITIVE THAT IF I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TO BREAK UP
11:18:22 AND START TALKING HERE IN THE MIDDLE, I WOULD BE ASKED TO
11:18:25 LEAVE.
11:18:26 AND IF I DIDN'T LEAVE, I'M PRETTY SURE I WOULD BE ARRESTED.
11:18:30 AND WHAT I AM SAYING HERE IS YOU EITHER HAVE LAWS THAT ARE
11:18:34 ENFORCED OR YOU DON'T HAVE LAWS THAT ARE ENFORCED AND ALL
11:18:38 LAWS SHOULD BE ENFORCED.
11:18:40 IF ONE IS NOT GOING TO BE ENFORCED, THEN NONE SHOULD BE
11:18:43 ENFORCED.
11:18:43 I BELIEVE OUR MAYOR PUT A CURFEW OUT.
11:18:49 I KNOW THAT I'M HOME AT 7:30 AT NIGHT NOW.
11:18:54 WOULD I HAVE OTHER PLACES I WOULD LIKE TO BE?
11:18:56 YES, BUT I'M NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE RULE.
11:18:58 THAT'S THE LAW THAT WAS PUT DOWN.
11:19:02 I DON'T THINK IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR THE REST OF THE
11:19:04 CITIZENS TO OBEY THE LAWS.
11:19:06 IF THEY WANT TO BE HEARD, SPEAK OUT.
11:19:09 THEY SAID WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.
11:19:12 I'M TRYING TO SPEAK FROM MY MIND, BUT MY MIND HAS EXPLODED
11:19:16 ABOUT A DOZEN TIMES IN THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF.
11:19:18 AND THE FIRST TIME IT EXPLODED IS WHEN I SAW THAT POLICE
11:19:22 OFFICER WITH HIS KNEE ON THE GENTLEMAN UP IN MINNEAPOLIS.
11:19:26 IT EXPLODED.
11:19:27 THAT WAS WRONG.
11:19:28 IT WAS REPREHENSIBLE.
11:19:30 IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.
11:19:32 BUT SUDDENLY, WHAT I HEARD WAS, WELL, WE WANT TO ENFORCE THE
11:19:37 LAW, BUT YET THIS GENTLEMAN -- AND I GUESS I USE THAT TERM
11:19:42 VERY LOOSELY WHEN I SPEAK OF THE POLICE OFFICER IN
11:19:44 MINNEAPOLIS -- HE'S NOT BEING AFFORDED HIS CONSTITUTIONAL
11:19:50 RIGHTS, HE'S ALREADY GUILTY, HE'S ALREADY BEING SENTENCED TO
11:19:56 LIFE IN PRISON.
11:19:57 I DO THINK HE'S GUILTY?
11:19:59 OF COURSE I DO.
11:19:59 I SAW WHAT I SAW.
11:20:01 BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE
11:20:03 GREATEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
11:20:05 I HAPPEN TO HAVE SEEN QUITE A BIT OF THIS WORLD.
11:20:09 AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING HERE, AND WHAT
11:20:12 WE ARE CALLING OPPRESSION AND WHAT WE ARE CALLING POLICE
11:20:15 STATE AND POLICE BRUTALITY, IT'S NOTHING.
11:20:20 I INVITE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE HERE --
11:20:24 [BELL SOUNDS]
11:20:25 -- WHO ARE ADVOCATING THAT WE DEFUND THE POLICE SPEND 72
11:20:29 HOURS WITHOUT THE POLICE.
11:20:30 I HAVE SEEN PLACES WHERE THAT EXISTS.
11:20:32 YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
11:20:38 WILL IT GETTER BETTER IN THE FUTURE?
11:20:41 I CERTAINLY HOPE SO AND I'M POSITIVE THAT IT WILL BECAUSE IN
11:20:43 75 YEARS I HAVE SEEN THIS WORLD GET BETTER.
11:20:46 AND I KNOW IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET BETTER.
11:20:48 AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU GUYS AND GALS -- I GUESS THERE'S
11:20:52 SOME GALS AROUND -- BUT YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION.
11:20:56 I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF GREAT ARGUMENTS AROUND HERE.
11:20:59 AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS UNDERSTOOD
11:21:03 ADVISEMENT.
11:21:04 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU DO NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE AND
11:21:07 YOU DO NEED TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC TRUSTS YOU.
11:21:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:21:11 >> THANK YOU.
11:21:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
11:21:21 ALL RIGHT, SIR,.
11:21:33 >> MY NAME IS CLEO AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME,
11:21:39 THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS COMMENTS.
11:21:41 BECAUSE ONE THING ABOUT -- WE ALL CAN RESPECT THEM.
11:21:48 HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THEIR FOUGHT.
11:21:59 THEY ARE NOT.
11:22:00 THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO THEIR PASTORS.
11:22:02 THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO THEIR LEADERS.
11:22:06 YOU WANT TO CALL THEM LOOTERS.
11:22:08 THEY ARE UNRULY AMERICANS LIKE OUTLAWS IN THE WILD WEST.
11:22:12 THINKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, COPS DON'T GET
11:22:19 CONVICTED.
11:22:20 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ARRESTS.
11:22:23 IF COPS DON'T GET CONVICTIONS, WHAT WE SAW IS GOING TO GET
11:22:26 WORSE.
11:22:27 AND WHERE IS THE BUSINESS LEADERS?
11:22:37 THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT GOT BURNED DOWN BUT THEY DON'T
11:22:39 CARE ABOUT THE --
11:22:44 SO YOU ALL NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, AMERICA NEEDS TO
11:22:47 COME UP WITH A PLAN.
11:22:48 MINNEAPOLIS DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN AFTER FERNANDO PASSED AWAY,
11:22:54 RIGHT?
11:22:54 THREE YEARS LATER, COLIN KAEPERNICK, NFL DIDN'T LISTEN TO
11:22:57 HIM. SO NOW WE HAVE FLOYD.
11:23:03 YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT TALK ABOUT RULES AND LAWS AND
11:23:06 EVERYTHING, THAT'S OUT THE DOOR.
11:23:09 YOU GUYS GOT TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE.
11:23:11 NOW YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE A PLAN.
11:23:15 WHAT'S YOUR PLAN?
11:23:16 MY NAME IS CORNELIUS WEST, FOR THE RECORD.
11:23:22 SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN, OF ACTION, IF THIS HAPPENED IN
11:23:27 OUR CITY, IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.
11:23:34 AND THEY ARE LAUGHING ABOUT IT.
11:23:36 THEY ARE LAUGHING.
11:23:37 DON'T THINK I'M NOT SERIOUS?
11:23:39 I SAW -- I HEAR, WHERE IS THE MAYOR AT?
11:23:53 DON'T YOU THINK SHE SHOULD BE HEAR?
11:23:58 WHERE IS THE PROSECUTOR AT?
11:24:00 THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN PEOPLE THAT CONTROL OUR CITY.
11:24:04 AND IF A COP IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY HE SHOULD BE
11:24:10 ARRESTED FOR IT, RIGHT?
11:24:12 HE'S INNOCENT.
11:24:13 I'M NOT SAYING GUILTY BUT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED
11:24:16 SWIFTLY.
11:24:17 YOU CAN'T WAIT IN A LONGER ANYMORE.
11:24:20 YOU CAN'T TAKE 24 HOURS, CAN'T TAKE 48 HOURS.
11:24:25 FAQ, INSTAGRAM, AND SNAPCHAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
11:24:29 THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO YOUR LEADERS.
11:24:31 YOU NEED SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TO THEM.
11:24:41 SO UNTIL YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THESE YOUNG KIDS, YOU
11:24:51 SHUNTS BE TALKING BAD ABOUT THEM.
11:24:54 HOW CAN YOU SLEEP GOOD WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR CITY?
11:24:57 HOW CAN YOU SLEEP GOOD?
11:25:01 YOU SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP WHEN PEOPLE --
11:25:04 [BELL SOUNDS]
11:25:05 -- AND I HEAR KILLING ON BLACK MEN FOR COMMITTING A
11:25:10 MISDEMEANOR.
11:25:11 AND YOUR KIDS, IF YOU HAVE KIDS 13 AND OVER, THEY HAVE A
11:25:19 CELL PHONE, RIGHT?
11:25:20 SO THEIR FRIEND IS SHOWING, IS WATCHING THE KILLING ON THEIR
11:25:25 CELL PHONE.
11:25:25 YOUR KIDS ARE WATCHING THIS.
11:25:30 IF YOUR KID IS 11 YEARS OLD, 13, YOU DON'T LET THEM WATCH
11:25:34 PORNOGRAPHY, DO YOU?
11:25:36 NO.
11:25:36 SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.
11:25:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:25:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I COULD SUGGEST THAT GENTLEMAN IN THE
11:25:50 BACK WOULD BE OUR LAST SPEAKER?
11:25:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, OF COURSE.
11:25:54 AND YOU ARE THE LAST ONE.
11:25:55 YES, SIR.
11:26:03 YOU HAVE ONE MORE.
11:26:11 GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:26:11 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT.
11:26:13 >> MY NAME IS AARON WALKER, AARON, WALKER.
11:26:18 A PROFESSOR.
11:26:22 I'M HERE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE PROTESTORS AND WE NEED TO
11:26:26 TAKE SOME PRETTY CLOSE -- SORRY, WE NEED TO PAY SOME PRETTY
11:26:30 CLOSE ATTENTION, ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES, FOR WHAT HAS
11:26:35 UNFOLDED ON OUR STREETS IS A CONCERN, A DANGEROUS PROBLEM,
11:26:39 THAT THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE PROSECUTOR ARE
11:26:42 NOT HERE TODAY.
11:26:47 WE HAD A CURFEW IMPOSED.
11:26:49 WE HAD THE NATIONAL GUARD DEPLOYED ON OUR STREETS.
11:26:54 TEAR GAS DEPLOYED.
11:26:56 WE HAVE HAD LESS THAN LETHAL, WHICH IS A CONVENIENT TERM OF
11:27:00 PHRASE, LESS THAN LETHAL, SUPPRESSION MEASURES, RUBBER
11:27:04 BULLETS, TEAR GAS DEPLOYED, WITHOUT APPROPRIATE WARNING
11:27:07 SHOTS, WITHOUT APPROPRIATE METHODOLOGIES AND MEANS.
11:27:12 CERTAINLY NOT THAT I SAW ON THE STREETS.
11:27:15 JUST AS A QUICK REMAINDER.
11:27:18 UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTION, WE ARE NOT LIVING IN A WAR
11:27:21 STATE.
11:27:22 WE ARE LIVING IN SOMETHING THAT THE GENEVA CONVENTION DOES
11:27:25 NOT ALLOW IN STATES OF WAR.
11:27:28 THIS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN UNFOLDING, BY
11:27:36 PEACEFUL PROTESTORS.
11:27:39 YOU ALL HAVE SEEN IT.
11:27:40 THE ACCOUNTABILITY THAT YOU ALL CAN DO DOES ACTUALLY DIRECT
11:27:44 YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THAT'S
11:27:48 WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
11:27:49 YOU NEED TO FIND THEM IN THESE ROOMS.
11:27:54 WE NEED TO KNOW HOW THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED THESE ISSUES,
11:27:57 WHAT THEIR PROPER GUIDELINES ARE, WHAT STEPS THEY ARE
11:28:00 TAKING.
11:28:01 COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS HAD ELEMENTS YOU ALL CAN VOTE ON AND
11:28:07 YOU NEED TO.
11:28:08 THERE'S MORE.
11:28:09 IN ADDITION TO BODY CAMERAS AND TO INHERENT BIAS TRAINING.
11:28:13 AND THERE'S A RECENT MOVEMENT CALLED CAN'T WAIT WHICH IS A
11:28:19 STEP OF EIGHT CLEAR AND DISCREET POLICE POLICY MEASURES THAT
11:28:24 CAN BE IMPLEMENTED MED IMMEDIATELY THAT WILL REDUCE VIOLENCE
11:28:28 IN EVERY COMMUNITY BY 75, 80% IN THE WAY THAT THE POLICE ARE
11:28:34 RELATING TO OUR COMMUNITY.
11:28:35 WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS.
11:28:37 WE NEED TO DO THEM NOW.
11:28:39 AND I DO AGAIN STAND IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE
11:28:41 BEEN MOVED THROUGH THE ANGER OF GENERATIONS INTO THE STREETS
11:28:46 THIS WEEK.
11:28:49 I STAND IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THAT AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO
11:28:52 THE SAME.
11:28:53 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:28:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:28:56 YOU WILL BE NEXT, SIR.
11:28:58 SHE'S GOING TO DO SOME CLEANING.
11:29:04 WE CAN DO OUR TEN-MINUTE RECESS.
11:29:06 OR WOULD YOU GUYS RATHER DO LUNCH AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY?
11:29:09 BECAUSE WE ARE APPROACHING THE LUNCH HOUR.
11:29:13 ANY THOUGHTS, COMMENTS?
11:29:14 OR JUST KEEP GOING?
11:29:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S 11:30 NOW.
11:29:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY?
11:29:28 GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:29:29 GO AHEAD.
11:29:37 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD.
11:29:39 >> JEREMY, ETHIOPIAN PEOPLE, THE FRENCH COLONIZING.
11:29:49 BUT YES, I AM ONE OF THE ETHIOPIANS.
11:29:53 IT HAS BEEN TESTED WITH TIME AND GREAT MEASURES.
11:30:03 AND I WILL START ONLY WITH A COUPLE PARABLES, AND GO WITH
11:30:08 THE REST OF WHAT I HAVE.
11:30:15 AND FROM THE PROVERBS AND SONGS OF MOSES AND ABRAHAM, NOT
11:30:19 CHRIST BECAUSE HE WAS NOT AROUND WHEN THEY HAD.
11:30:35 IT'S VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
11:30:37 AND I WILL BREAK IT DOWN AND CORROBORATE ON WHAT I SAY OR
11:30:41 WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN BASED ON WHAT I TOLD MY GRANDSON.
11:30:48 OKAY.
11:30:51 SABASTIEN BIRBORN, FOR THE RECORD.
11:30:53 [INDISCERNIBLE]
11:32:50 NOW I WILL CORROBORATE ON WHAT I SAID.
11:32:54 NOW, THE POINT OF ALL THAT, GOT THEM ON HERE.
11:33:07 [BELL SOUNDS]
11:33:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY, YOU ARE OUT OF TIME.
11:33:11 >> OH, OKAY. THAT'S ALL THEN.
11:33:12 BUT YOU HAVE TO BE PRETTY SMART TO UNDERSTAND THE PARABLE.
11:33:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:33:20 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK.
11:33:25 IT'S 11:33.
11:33:27 HOW ABOUT WE COME BACK AT 11:45?
11:33:30 WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 11:45.
11:33:33 (CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS).
11:33:43
11:42:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL?
11:54:26 ALL RIGHT.
11:54:27 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
11:54:28 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
11:54:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
11:54:35 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:54:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
11:54:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:54:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:54:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
11:54:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM GOING TO CALL UP CHIEF OF STAFF
11:54:47 JOHN BENNETT AT THIS TIME.
11:54:48 I KNOW THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WAITING FOR DISCUSSION ON
11:54:51 THE BODY CAMERAS.
11:54:52 WE HAVE THE CHIEF OF POLICE HERE.
11:54:54 WE HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS.
11:54:55 BUT JUST TO KEEP THINGS MOVING ALONG.
11:54:57 CHIEF BENNETT.
11:54:58 >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
11:55:05 AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE TO THE
11:55:09 STAFF REPORT PORTION OF THE AGENDA FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE
11:55:12 AND FOLLOWING ALONG.
11:55:13 AND IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE START IN
11:55:18 AGENDA ORDER JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS ANYTHING.
11:55:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:55:24 >>JOHN BENNETT: THE LAST NUMBER I HAD, AND IF I AM WRONG
11:55:27 I'M SURE MARTY WILL HELP ME, BUT WE HAD A REQUEST FOR STAFF
11:55:30 TO REPORT FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER AND THERE WAS A MEMO
11:55:34 SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL, AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE HAD THAT IN
11:55:36 YOUR BRIEFING PACKAGES.
11:55:38 SO WE DON'T HAVE STAFF HERE TO ADDRESS THAT BASED ON THE
11:55:41 MEMO.
11:55:42 THE SECOND ITEM WAS TO TALK ABOUT RESTRICTING THE SINGLE-USE
11:55:47 PLASTICS.
11:55:48 I WILL, WHEN WE GET TOWARDS THE BACK END OF THE STAFF
11:55:51 REPORT, I WILL INTRODUCE OUR NEW SUSTAINABILITY AND
11:55:54 RESILIENCE OFFICER.
11:55:56 >>WHIT REMER: BUT FOR NOW THERE WAS A MEMO TO CONTINUE THAT
11:56:00 SO WE COULD GET MORE INCLUSION INTO THAT PROCESS.
11:56:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE
11:56:04 THAT ITEM TO SEPTEMBER 3rd.
11:56:06 >> SO MOVED.
11:56:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:56:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES MADE THE
11:56:13 MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA OF THE ALL
11:56:16 IN FAVOR?
11:56:18 OKAY.
11:56:19 GO ON, SIR.
11:56:20 >>JOHN BENNETT: WITH THAT SAID WE HAVE ONE MORE SPECIFIC
11:56:23 ITEM, 36, WHICH WE'LL PUT TOWARDS THE END OF THE STAFF
11:56:26 REPORTS.
11:56:26 AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE DO HAVE TWO WALK-ON ITEMS WHICH I
11:56:31 WILL PUT RIGHT BEFORE ITEM 36.
11:56:34 AND WITH THAT, WE HAD CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY WITH COUNCIL TO
11:56:38 HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION UPDATE, AND THE MAYOR AND THE
11:56:41 ADMINISTRATION AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A
11:56:44 GOOD IDEA TO COME IN AND GIVE US SEQUENTIAL BRIEFING AS TO
11:56:49 WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, GIVE THEM FEEDBACK AND
11:56:52 MAYBE ANSWER SO OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP
11:56:54 TODAY BY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, AND SO WITH THAT I WILL
11:56:57 TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF DUGAN.
11:56:58 AND THEN WHEN HE'S FINISHED WE CAN BRING SOME WALK-ON ITEMS
11:57:02 RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:57:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF DUGAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK
11:57:06 FROM THAT MICROPHONE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE
11:57:08 CENTER?
11:57:09 UP TO YOU.
11:57:09 >>CHIEF DUGAN: BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE.
11:57:31 I THINK YOU ARE ALL AWARE WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN OUR CITY
11:57:37 REALLY FROM SATURDAY AFTERNOON WHEN IT STARTED.
11:57:39 I HAVE BEEN HERE THIS MORNING LISTENING TO COUNCIL COMMENTS,
11:57:42 THE CITIZENS REMARKS.
11:57:45 I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT'S BEEN LOST IN THIS WHOLE THING
11:57:48 IS WE SINCE SATURDAY HAVE HAD SO MANY PEACEFUL PROTESTS THAT
11:57:54 HAVE REALLY JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE HEARING A LOT
11:57:57 OF CHIEFS AND SHERIFFS SAYING WE HAVE PEACEFUL PROTESTS THAT
11:58:05 ARE BEING HIJACKED AND TURNED INTO CHAOS AND CRIMINAL
11:58:09 BEHAVIOR.
11:58:10 AND IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE THE CAUSE THAT PEOPLE ARE
11:58:14 ANGRY ABOUT IS GETTING LOST IN THE SHUFFLE, AND TALKING
11:58:22 ABOUT BEHAVIOR INSTEAD OF ISSUES, AND THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN
11:58:25 SO UNFORTUNATE.
11:58:26 WE HAVE A MADE OF SERIES OF ARRESTS.
11:58:29 EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
11:58:30 I THINK I SHOULD JUST CUT TO THE CHASE AND HEAR YOUR
11:58:33 QUESTIONS OR YOUR COMMENTS.
11:58:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
11:58:38 FROM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:58:40 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
11:58:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, I KNOW AS A RETIRED POLICE, I KNOW
11:58:47 HOW IT IS TO BE OUT THERE.
11:58:48 I KNOW THE GUYS ARE WORKING LONG, LONG HOURS AND THEY ARE
11:58:51 TIRED.
11:58:51 I KNOW THEY ARE TIRED.
11:58:52 WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY POLICE, CALLING PEOPLE IN.
11:58:55 BUT I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE OFFICERS KNOW THAT THIS
11:58:58 COUNCIL IS WITH THEM BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW
11:59:01 THEY ARE TIRED, WE HAVE GOT TO GO THE EXTRA MILE, AND THE
11:59:08 THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS UPSET ABOUT.
11:59:10 I WATCHED THE VIDEO, HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, BUT I DID
11:59:14 WATCH THE VIDEO.
11:59:15 AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT SITUATION AGAIN WHEN YOUR STAFF
11:59:22 GETS BACK AND HAS TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE
11:59:25 BETTER.
11:59:26 I KNOW SOMETIMES IN THE HEAT OF BATTLE YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT
11:59:28 YOU HAVE TO DO.
11:59:29 I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:59:31 AGAIN, IT ALL GOES BACK TO SENSITIVITY, CULTURAL DIVERSITY
11:59:36 WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES LIKE AT TGH, THE OFFICER
11:59:41 WAS THERE, COULD HAVE PROBABLY PREVENTED SOME OF THAT FROM
11:59:44 HAPPENING TO MY UNDERSTANDING.
11:59:45 I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WE TRY TO
11:59:51 REVIEW AND WE.
11:59:52 GOTTEN THAT DONE YET.
11:59:53 I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO GET THAT GOING WITH CULTURAL
11:59:58 DIVERSITY.
11:59:59 THAT'S VERY, VERY KEY.
12:00:00 AND THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT.
12:00:02 THINGS I LOOK AT, USE OF FORCE POLICIES AS WELL.
12:00:08 I NOTICE WE HAVE TO LOOK -- POLICING IS CHANGING NOW.
12:00:18 THE MIND-SET IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE.
12:00:21 AND SO LATER ON, THIS AFTERNOON, WHEN WE FINISH, YOU I AM
12:00:28 GOING TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AS RELATE TO THE POLICE
12:00:30 DEPARTMENT.
12:00:30 ESPECIALLY AS RELATE TO THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
12:00:33 I THINK IT WOULD HELP US OUT IN THE BEGINNING.
12:00:36 THERE ARE SOME RESTRAINTS ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER.
12:00:39 I KNOW THE RULES, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT
12:00:42 HAS RULED WE CAN'T DO THAT.
12:00:45 I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN CHANGE AS RELATES TO
12:00:49 THE HIRING.
12:00:51 I THINK A REVIEW BOARD, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE REVIEW BOARD.
12:00:57 THEY ARE JUST REVIEWING SOME STUFF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN
12:01:00 HANDLED.
12:01:00 BUT I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO SHOW THE CITIZENS THAT WE ARE IN
12:01:04 AN ERA THAT WE WANT TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS, MAKE SURE WE ARE
12:01:10 ENGAGED IN THE POLICIES.
12:01:11 SO I WILL MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS LATER ON AS IT RELATES
12:01:14 TO THE REVIEW BOARD BEING PART OF THE FORCE REVIEWING THOSE
12:01:20 POLICIES.
12:01:20 I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ALSO ABOUT THE HIRING
12:01:23 COMMITTEE, THAT COMMITTEE BE PART OF THE HIRING PROCESS TO
12:01:26 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OFFICERS BEING HIRED, CAN ASK
12:01:30 QUESTIONS, LIKE OTHER AGENCIES DO, REVIEW BOARD THAT LOOKS
12:01:35 AT THE HIRING CRITERIA.
12:01:37 I THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
12:01:39 DIANE HART TALKED ABOUT THE LACK OF BLACK OFFICERS.
12:01:43 I TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE OFFICE THE OTHER DAY.
12:01:46 I KNOW HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS INTERNALLY.
12:01:49 I HAVE BEEN THERE.
12:01:53 WHEN YOU LOOK AT OFFICERS, SAYING, WELL, CREDIT, I THINK,
12:02:01 YOU KNOW, WITH FOLKS ASKING IF WE HAVE 10% OF THE OFFICERS
12:02:06 THAT ARE REPRESENTING 1,000 OFFICERS OF THE POLICE
12:02:08 DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, WHY IS IT?
12:02:10 WHY IS IT WE CAN'T GET MORE ANYONE NORTH?
12:02:13 AND I WANT THE REVIEW BOARD TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY IS IT
12:02:16 OUR CRITERIA, IS IT IN THIS DAY AND AGE MAYBE WE NEED TO
12:02:20 HAVE A PROGRAM, WHEN SANDY FREEDMAN CAME IN, WE ARE ALL
12:02:25 RETIRED NOW, WE ALL HAVE PENSIONS, MOST OF US STILL LIVE
12:02:32 WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
12:02:33 AND THAT WAS A GOOD THING AT THE TIME.
12:02:35 THE BLACK OFFICERS, A LOT OF NEW OFFICERS, WHEN I CAME ON,
12:02:41 MOST ALL OF THE BLACK OFFICERS CAME ON LIVED IN THE CITY
12:02:44 LIMITS, AND WHAT THE HELL WAS GOING ON?
12:02:48 WE WERE COACHING THE KIDS, DOING A LOT OF MENTOR WORKING IN
12:02:52 THE COMMUNITIES AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE.
12:02:55 THEY WANT TO BRING THAT BACK.
12:02:56 I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL THAT THE REVIEW BOARD BE PART OF THAT
12:02:59 PROCESS TO LOOK AT WHO WE ARE HIRING, LIKE I THINK THEY CAN
12:03:04 ASK QUESTIONS, ABOUT HISTORY, OR WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOU
12:03:07 ARE COMING FROM.
12:03:08 I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE THAT, BE A
12:03:12 PART OF THE PROCESS.
12:03:18 THE UNION DOESN'T GET INVOLVED UNTIL -- I DID BRING THIS UP
12:03:22 WITH THE UNION, BY THE WAY.
12:03:24 I WILL PROBABLY BRING A REFERENCE TO THAT.
12:03:27 BUT THE UNION WILL BE PART OF THAT, AND TO CONTINUE WHAT WE
12:03:33 HAVE GOING ON AND BE A PART.
12:03:35 I THINK WHEN THE COMMUNITY SEES THAT IT'S CHANGING THE
12:03:38 REVIEW BOARD AND THEY CAN BRING UP SOME IDEAS, AND WORK WITH
12:03:41 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT I THINK IT WILL WORK BETTER.
12:03:44 SO I WILL BE BRINGING A COUPLE OF MOTIONS ABOUT THAT AT THE
12:03:46 END OF THE MEETING IN REFERENCE TO THE REVIEW BOARD.
12:03:48 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
12:03:51 I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK.
12:03:53 AS WE DO THE BIAS TRAINING, CALLED FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
12:03:56 TRAINING, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING WHAT WE CALL A REFRESHER
12:03:59 COURSE THAT WE HAVE COME UP.
12:04:00 UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF OUR TRAINING HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD DUE
12:04:03 TO THE COVID SITUATION, BUT WE DO DO THAT.
12:04:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT VIRTUAL? STILL ON THE COMPUTER?
12:04:14 >>CHIEF DUGAN: NO, THIS IS IN PERSON.
12:04:16 I THINK THE VIRTUAL STUFF IS KIND OF COOL BUT WE HAVE TO DO
12:04:19 THAT BODY LANGUAGE, POCKET PERSON, I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T
12:04:22 WANT TO DEPOSE SOMEBODY WITHOUT SEEING THEM IN PERSON AND
12:04:25 THE BODY LANGUAGE, AND THAT'S HOW YOU LEARN, EXCHANGE THE
12:04:29 INFORMATION.
12:04:31 THE HIRING THE BLACK OFFICER IS SOMETHING WE WORK ON
12:04:34 CONSTANTLY.
12:04:34 I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PUSH FOR PUTTING MORE BLACK OFFICERS
12:04:39 IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
12:04:40 BUT I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY.
12:04:44 SOME OF YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING OF POLICING
12:04:47 THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
12:04:48 YOU KNOW, THERE WERE LAWSUITS, THE FEARLESS FOUR, CAME
12:04:51 BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THAT EVERYBODY, THEY HAD TO FILE
12:04:58 LAWSUITS SO THEY COULD POLICE IN WHITE COMMUNITIES.
12:05:00 THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO ATTEND ROLL CALLS.
12:05:04 THEY HAD TO STAY OUT BACK.
12:05:05 THEY HAD TO FILE LAWSUITS.
12:05:06 THESE ARE BLACK COPS WHO HAD TO FILE LAWSUITS TO BE ABLE TO
12:05:10 BE RECOGNIZED AS EQUAL, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD THE PROBLEM HERE
12:05:15 THIS PAST WEEKEND IN OUR NATION.
12:05:19 SO I CAUTION EVERYBODY.
12:05:21 YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME THAT HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF.
12:05:25 I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO BETTER, BUT WAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF ONLY
12:05:29 PUTTING BLACK OFFICERS IN BLACK -- I KNOW YOU ARE NOT
12:05:33 IMPLYING THAT, BUT SOMETIMES OUR WORDS GET TWISTED AND I
12:05:36 WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
12:05:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DO THINK THAT WITH MY EXPERIENCE, WHICH
12:05:41 I DO HAVE, IS THAT BEFORE OFFICERS HIT THE STREET, BEFORE
12:05:45 THEY ARE GIVEN THAT BADGE, I THINK THEY NEED TO HAVE A
12:05:52 COURSE TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING INTO COMMUNITIES FIRST AND
12:05:55 MEETING LEADERS, MEETING THE CULTURE OF DIFFERENT
12:05:59 COMMUNITIES.
12:06:00 WHEN YOU COME FROM A COMMUNITY AND NOW YOU ARE WORKING AT
12:06:05 29th, IT'S A CULTURE SHOCK BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
12:06:08 TOLD THE NEGATIVE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.
12:06:09 IT'S BAD, THIS AND THAT.
12:06:11 SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE TOOLS, WE
12:06:18 NEED TO GO HERE FIRST BEFORE, SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND REAL
12:06:22 CULTURE AND UNDERSTAND WHY A HISPANIC PERSON TALKS LOUD AND
12:06:27 TALKS WITH THEIR HANDS.
12:06:28 THAT'S JUST IF WAY THEY EXPRESS THEMSELVES.
12:06:30 IT'S NOT AGGRESSIVE.
12:06:31 THAT'S JUST THE WAY THEY EXPRESS THEMSELVES. SO I THINK THE
12:06:34 REVIEW BOARD CAN HELP WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THESE ARE
12:06:37 WAYS TO BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE EVERYBODY, AND TAKE EVERY
12:06:41 NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:06:42 I HAVE BEEN TOLD BEFORE, I WANT A WHITE OFFICER.
12:06:46 SO I DO GET IT.
12:06:47 I UNDERSTAND IT.
12:06:48 I JUST THINK THAT IN A COMMUNITY DON'T GET IT BUT THAT'S
12:06:51 SOMETHING AS A CITY HAVE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WE DON'T
12:06:56 DISCRIMINATE WHERE A POLICE OFFICER GOES AND PATROLS.
12:06:59 BUT EVERYONE HAS TO TRAIN SO WHEN THEY GO TO WHATEVER
12:07:02 COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE SENSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY
12:07:04 UNDERSTAND THAT COMMUNITY, AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE WORK WITH
12:07:06 THAT COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY BE A PART OF WORKING, COACHING.
12:07:13 BUT IT GOES A LONG WAY WHEN POLICE ARE WORKING WITH THE
12:07:16 YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:07:17 IT REALLY DOES.
12:07:18 >>CHIEF DUGAN: AND COPS HAVE A FRONT ROPE SEAT.
12:07:26 WE HAVE A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THE RACISM IN AMERICA, YOU KNOW.
12:07:30 AND THE ONLY TIMES I HAVE BEEN CALLED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AS A
12:07:32 PATROLMAN, AND THERE'S A SUSPICIOUS PERSON THERE.
12:07:38 WELL, WHAT DID DO?
12:07:39 WELL, HE JUST DOESN'T BELONG HERE.
12:07:41 OKAY, I'M NOT STUPID.
12:07:42 I'M IN AN ALL WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A BLACK GUY
12:07:45 HERE.
12:07:46 I SEE IT.
12:07:46 I KNOW IT.
12:07:47 HOW MANY TIMES -- IF YOU HAVE ANYMORE PROBLEMS CALL US BACK
12:07:52 AND WE GO ABOUT OUR BUSINESS.
12:07:53 WE DON'T STOP THEM BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS.
12:07:57 YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
12:07:59 I'M SORRY.
12:08:00 I NEED TO STOP.
12:08:00 THE NEXT QUESTION.
12:08:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE COUNCILMAN CITRO, DINGFELDER,
12:08:08 VIERA.
12:08:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:08:10 CHIEF, IT'S PROBABLY TOO EARLY FOR NUMBERS.
12:08:12 DO WE HAVE ANY NUMBERS RELATED TO PROTESTS, TOTAL OF ARRESTS
12:08:18 AND/OR PROPERTY DAMAGE?
12:08:20 >> WE HAVE 138 ARRESTS SO FAR.
12:08:22 WE EXPECT TO HAVE MORE AS WE REVIEW THE VIDEO OF THE CHAOS
12:08:28 THAT ENSUED SATURDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT.
12:08:32 THE ISSUES WE HAD OVER AT THE 30th AND BUSCH AREA WE ARE
12:08:37 STILL REVIEWING THAT.
12:08:38 WE ARE HOPING TO MAKE MORE.
12:08:41 I THINK ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO ARREST MORE PEOPLE AND GET
12:08:43 CONTROL OF THIS, THE PEACEFUL PROTESTORS CAN HAVE THEIR
12:08:47 VOICE HEARD.
12:08:48 I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO WE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR
12:08:53 PROTESTS.
12:08:54 THE GOOD PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR PROTESTS, TAKE BACK
12:08:57 OUR STREETS SO THEIR VOICE CAN BE HEARD.
12:08:59 WE ARE STILL ASSESSING THE PROPERTY DAMAGE.
12:09:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
12:09:04 MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, OF THESE 138 HOW MANY WERE ARRESTED ON
12:09:08 FELONIES?
12:09:10 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I DON'T HAVE THE BREAK DOWN OF THAT.
12:09:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU CHIEF.
12:09:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEN DING, VIERA, CARLSON.
12:09:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
12:09:21 THANK YOU TO ALL, EVERYBODY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR HARD
12:09:26 WORK.
12:09:27 DURING COVID AS WELL AS IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO.
12:09:32 IT'S UNFORTUNATE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE SPEAK THEIR THREE
12:09:36 MINUTES AND THEN THEY LEAVE AND THEY DON'T THINK WE ARE
12:09:38 LISTENING AND THEY DON'T THINK WE HEAR THEM AND WE ARE
12:09:41 RESPONDING.
12:09:42 I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ARISEN BECAUSE OF
12:09:46 SOME OF THEIR STATEMENTS.
12:09:48 AND SOME OF THESE MATE COME IN THE FORM OF A MOTION LATER
12:09:51 BUT I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HERE, SO I WILL GO
12:09:53 AHEAD AND RAISE THEM.
12:09:55 ONE OF THEM, COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED, A MINUTE AGO, IN
12:09:59 REGARD TO DIVERSITY.
12:10:01 I HAVE HEARD THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE HAD A MORE DIVERSE
12:10:07 DEPARTMENT, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE DIVERSITY HAS
12:10:12 DROPPED, AND THAT SORT OF THING.
12:10:13 SO MY MOTION I'LL MAKE LATER WHEN MR. CHAIRMAN LET'S ME AND
12:10:20 I WILL LET YOU SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, IF THAT'S
12:10:23 TRUE, NUMBER ONE, AND WHAT SORT OF AGGRESSIVE PLANS DO WE
12:10:29 HAVE TO IMPROVE ON THAT?
12:10:33 YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN LOOKING BACK AND MOANING AND
12:10:39 GROANING ABOUT WHAT TOOK US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT WHAT
12:10:42 CAN WE DO MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE THE DEPARTMENT MORE
12:10:45 DIVERSE?
12:10:47 MY SECOND COMMENT CAME OUT OF WATCHING FORMER PRESIDENT
12:10:53 OBAMA YESTERDAY, AND HE SPOKE ELOQUENTLY AS ALWAYS, BUT HE
12:11:00 SPOKE TO USE OF FORCE POLICY, AND HE URGED EVERY COMMUNITY
12:11:04 AND EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT, EVERY CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW
12:11:07 THEIR USE OF FORCE POLICY AS COMPARED TO A USE OF FORCE
12:11:14 MODEL POLICY THAT APPARENTLY HE AND A GREW THAT HE'S BEEN
12:11:18 WORKING WITH HAD BEEN WORKING ON, RESEARCHING AND
12:11:22 DEVELOPMENT.
12:11:22 SO THIS MORNING WHAT I WAS DOING ON MY PHONE, PROBABLY RUDE
12:11:30 OF ME, BUT I PULLED THE SECTION STANDARD POLICY, YOUR POLICY
12:11:34 SECTION 536 WHICH INCLUDES OUR USE OF FORCE, AND I AM JUST
12:11:40 WONDERING IF YOU WE BE AMENABLE IN WORKING WITH THE MAYOR
12:11:44 AND OTHERS, MAYBE IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAYBE US, TO REVIEW
12:11:49 THAT USE OF FORCE POLICY TO SEE HOW IT DOES MATCH UP WITH
12:11:53 SOME OF THESE OTHER MODEL POLICIES THAT ARE AROUND THE
12:11:55 COUNTRY.
12:11:56 >>CHIEF DUGAN: OF COURSE I WILL.
12:11:58 IT WOULD BE FOOLISH ON MY PART NOT TO DO THAT.
12:12:01 I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT.
12:12:03 I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH OUR USE OF FORCE POLICY.
12:12:05 AND I THINK WHERE THERE'S A MISNOMER, I THINK PEOPLE THINK
12:12:09 THE USE OF FORCE POLICY WAS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW THE LAST
12:12:12 FIVE DAYS AND IT WASN'T.
12:12:14 IT WAS JUST VERY DIFFICULT FLUID SITUATIONS, AND MY CONCERN
12:12:17 IS THAT THE LAST FIVE DAYS HAS ERASED ALL THE GOOD THAT OUR
12:12:21 POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:12:23 WE HAVE A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY.
12:12:27 THESE LAST FIVE DAYS HAVE POINTED OUT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
12:12:30 OF OUR RELATIONSHIP.
12:12:32 BUT IT ALSO GOES ACROSS THE NATION.
12:12:34 SO YES, I WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT.
12:12:36 AND AS FAR AS THE HIRING OF MINORITY OFFICERS, I DON'T KNOW
12:12:40 IF THE NUMBERS HAVE SLIPPED.
12:12:41 I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A STRONG PUSH TO HIRE MORE MINORITY
12:12:45 OFFICERS.
12:12:45 I THINK WE ARE GOING TO STRUGGLE ACROSS THE BOARD TO GET
12:12:49 ANYONE WHO WANTS TO BE A COP RIGHT NOW.
12:12:51 WHAT I HAVE SEEN, ALL WALKS OF LIFE, SCREAMING AT OUR COPS,
12:12:57 CALLING US MURDERERS AND TERRORISTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT
12:13:00 WASN'T RIGHT WHEN THEY DID IT TO THE VIETNAM VETERANS.
12:13:02 IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THEM TO DO IT TO OUR COPS RIGHT NOW.
12:13:05 YOU KNOW, I TELL YOU THAT I BACK OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND I
12:13:10 STAND AGAINST RACISM, AND YOU CAN'T DO BOTH.
12:13:13 AND PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE AFRAID TO DO THAT.
12:13:16 BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IMPROVING OUR MINNESOTA NORTH HIRING
12:13:19 PLANS, AND I'M HOPING FOR ANY FEEDBACK THAT ANYONE HAS.
12:13:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHIEF, I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:13:26 I THINK I SAW YOU ON TELEVISION SAYING THAT YOU WERE
12:13:29 OUTRAGED BY WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS.
12:13:32 I'M OUTRAGED BY WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS.
12:13:37 HOPEFULLY THE JURY WILL BE OUTRAGED AND SEE IT FOR THE
12:13:41 MURDER THAT IT WAS.
12:13:44 YOU SEGUED INTO MY LAST QUESTION WHICH IS ONE OF THE
12:13:51 SPEAKERS, DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD IT, SAID SO BAD THINGS
12:13:55 HAPPENED ON TUESDAY NIGHT IN TERMS OF PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT
12:13:57 OF EXCESSIVE POLICE FORCE.
12:13:59 I'M NOT JUDGING.
12:14:00 BUT AS LONG AS YOU ARE HERE, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE
12:14:03 RESPONDING TO THAT AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK YOU TO SPEAK A
12:14:08 LITTLE BIT ABOUT TUESDAY NIGHT AND TALK ABOUT TEAR GAS,
12:14:12 RUBBER BULLETS, ET CETERA.
12:14:16 AND IF YOU ARE NOT, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH JUST A MORE FORMAL
12:14:20 REPORT AT A LATER DATE.
12:14:22 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I WAS OUT THERE THAT NIGHT, AND IT WAS, YOU
12:14:25 KNOW, WITH THE GUARDIANS OF THE CITY, AND WE ARE GOING TO
12:14:29 DEFEND OUR CITY.
12:14:30 I HAVE SAID THAT FROM DAY ONE AS THE INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE
12:14:33 WHEN I WAS DEALING WITH A HURRICANE AND THEN A SERIAL
12:14:36 KILLER, AND I SAID FROM DAY ONE I WOULD DEFEND OUR CITY.
12:14:39 AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
12:14:40 WE WERE PROTECTING, DEFENDING OUR CITY.
12:14:43 IT WAS NOT GOOD.
12:14:45 IT WAS UGLY.
12:14:46 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD NOT LEAVE.
12:14:51 WERE THERE PEOPLE WHO MAYBE COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN OUT -- I
12:14:56 THINK THAT'S NOT TRUE.
12:14:57 IT WENT FROM A CROWD OF 300 TO I THINK WE ARRESTED 64, TOTAL
12:15:01 OF 68.
12:15:03 FOUR OF THEM I THINK WERE AT THE INTERSTATE.
12:15:06 WE GAVE SEVERAL DISPERSAL ORDERS.
12:15:09 THEY DIDN'T LEAVE.
12:15:10 SOME SAY THAT THEY COULD NOT GET OUT.
12:15:13 YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES DEFENDING YOUR CITY IS UGLY.
12:15:19 BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WAS THERE.
12:15:25 I GAVE THE ORDER.
12:15:26 IT STARTS AND STOPS WITH ME.
12:15:28 I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
12:15:29 IT WAS DISTURBING TO ME.
12:15:31 I CALLED MAYOR CASTOR AND TOLD HER.
12:15:33 I TOLD HER, THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT OF MY CITY. THIS
12:15:37 HAPPENED ON MY WATCH.
12:15:38 IT'S NOT MY PROUDEST MOMENT.
12:15:40 THOUGH I THINK WE DID THE RIGHT THING, JUST DOING THE RIGHT
12:15:43 THING SOMETIMES ISN'T THE PROPER THING.
12:15:48 I CALLED SHERIFF CHRONISTER FIRST THING IN THE MORNING TO
12:15:53 GET THESE PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL.
12:15:55 THERE ARE A FEW WE GAVE A NOTICE TO APPEAR.
12:15:58 I CALLED ANDREW WARREN, OUR STATE ATTORNEY AND CALLED
12:16:02 JULIANNE HOLT OUR PUBLIC DEFENDER AND SAID HOW CAN I WORK
12:16:07 WITH YOU GUYS TO GET THESE PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL?
12:16:09 AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY.
12:16:10 WE WILL WORK WITH THE PUBLIC DEFENDERS OFFICE TO REVIEW
12:16:14 THESE CASES DOWN THE ROAD.
12:16:15 BUT NOW IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REALLY DEAL WITH THAT
12:16:18 UNTIL WE CAN GETS EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL.
12:16:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:16:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:16:25 THEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:16:26 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:16:28 CHIEF DUGAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS HERE TODAY.
12:16:30 I'LL SAY THIS, THAT IT'S PRETTY DARN EASY FOR ALL OF US
12:16:34 WHETHER WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OR NOT TO SIT UP HERE AND TALK
12:16:37 WITH YOU ABOUT THINGS, BECAUSE WE AREN'T OUT THERE ON THE
12:16:41 STREETS.
12:16:42 IT'S EASY FOR ME, EASY FOR ALL OF US TO DO THAT.
12:16:45 WHY THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS, SO MUCH CONCERN IS FOR THE
12:16:48 ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE JUST BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED
12:16:51 ON TUESDAY EVENING, THE SPECTER OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
12:16:56 I KNOW THAT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY THERE WHEN FOLKS ARE
12:17:00 PROTESTING, APPARENTLY PEACEFULLY TO A DEGREE.
12:17:04 AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS DEVELOPED AND WE DON'T KNOW.
12:17:07 YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT.
12:17:08 PEOPLE GET A REPORT ON THAT, ET CETERA.
12:17:11 THERE COULD BE TROUBLING IMPLICATIONS.
12:17:15 I WANT TO READ, THOUGH, BECAUSE CHIEF DUGAN, YOU PUT OUT A
12:17:18 STATEMENT THAT I SALUTED YOU FOR ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
12:17:23 YOU SAID, QUOTE, I HAVE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE ARE ANGRY,
12:17:27 DISTURBED OVER THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD, THIS INCIDENT
12:17:30 DOESN'T MAKE ALL COPS BAD, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANTI-POLICE
12:17:34 IF YOU HAVE OUTRAGE OVER THIS, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DON'T
12:17:37 SUPPORT THE POLICE.
12:17:37 I SENT YOU A TEXT.
12:17:39 I'LL GIVE YOU A PG.
12:17:45 OBVIOUSLY I STILL FEEL THAT WAY 110%.
12:17:48 YOU ARE HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
12:17:50 YOU ARE VERY BLUNT AND YOU KIND OF GET IT OUT THERE AND I
12:17:53 ALWAYS APPRECIATE THAT.
12:17:54 BUT THIS INCIDENT DOES CALL INTO QUESTION LIKE COUNCILMAN
12:17:58 DINGFELDER SAID AND I SAID IN THE BEGINNING AS WELL, THE
12:18:00 NUMBER OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE POLICY, THE
12:18:03 CROWD DISBURSEMENT POLICY.
12:18:05 AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
12:18:06 BECAUSE WHAT ULTIMATELY WAS THE RESULT OF MAYBE POLICIES IN
12:18:10 EFFECT THAT WERE FOLLOWED BY THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE LINE,
12:18:12 COULD POTENTIALLY USE SOME CHANGE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR
12:18:16 CITY BECAUSE YOU JUST INDICATED THAT YOU WERE, I BELIEVE,
12:18:19 WORRIED ABOUT A BLACK GUY, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN
12:18:23 YOUR MOUTH, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO
12:18:27 SEE THAT HAPPEN TO OUR CITY, FANNED SOMETHING WERE TO HAVE
12:18:30 GONE WRONG TWO NIGHTS AGO, TO SEE POLICIES THAT CAN REMEDY
12:18:34 THAT, THAT CAN AMEND THAT, WHEN FORMER REPRESENTATIVE RAINES
12:18:39 SPOKE UP VERY MOVED AND I HAD A LOT OF RESPECT FOR HIM, AND
12:18:44 SUCH PASSION, AND I KNOW YOU BEING A GOOD MAN WOULD ALSO
12:18:47 AGREE WITH THAT.
12:18:48 THERE'S THE ISSUE OF THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" REPORTER DIVYA
12:18:52 KUMAR, AND ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WOULD NEED
12:18:56 SOME EXPLANATION, JUST SOMETHING THAT AGAIN JUST
12:19:00 PRESUMPTIVELY ON THE FACE OF IT REQUIRES SCRUTINY,
12:19:03 EXPLANATION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
12:19:04 I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE WITH THAT IN THAT REGARD.
12:19:07 AGAIN, WHAT OUR OFFICERS ARE GOING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DAY
12:19:12 RIGHT NOW IS VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
12:19:14 I THINK ALL SEVEN OF US NORTHERN THAT, WHICH IS YOU HAVE MEN
12:19:17 AND WOMEN WHO LEAVE THEIR FAMILIES EVERY SINGLE DAY AND GO
12:19:20 OUT IN SITUATIONS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING
12:19:23 TO BE FACING.
12:19:24 AND MAYBE SOMETIMES THERE ARE POLICIES IN PLACE THAT HAVE
12:19:28 NEGATIVE RESULTS.
12:19:29 AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO LOOK AT THOSE POLICIES
12:19:32 TO SEE HOW SITUATIONS LIKE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE
12:19:35 AVOIDED, TOUGH SITUATIONS.
12:19:37 THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
12:19:38 AGAIN, FOR ME THE PARAMOUNT CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THE
12:19:43 SAFETY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALSO
12:19:47 THE FIRST AMENDMENT, WHICH IS WHEN THERE ARE PROTESTS THAT
12:19:52 ARE PEACEFUL, AND THERE ARE BAD APPLES THERE, WHAT WAY DO
12:19:57 POLICE OFFICERS CALM THAT DOWN, ADDRESS THAT?
12:20:00 ARE THERE DIFFERENT THEORIES ON THAT?
12:20:02 I DON'T KNOW.
12:20:02 I'M JUST A LAWYER AND A POLITICIAN.
12:20:04 SO I LOOK FOR YOU ALL FOR GUIDANCE ON THAT AND FOR THIS BODY
12:20:08 AND CITY FOR POTENTIAL WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN L LOOK AT THAT,
12:20:11 BECAUSE AGAIN THERE IS CONCERN OUT THERE.
12:20:12 WE HAVE TO SPEAK TO THAT CERTAINLY.
12:20:14 AND TO LOOK FOR WAYS THAT WE CAN AFFECT CHANGE IN THAT.
12:20:18 BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR WORDS.
12:20:19 >>CHIEF DUGAN: THANK YOU.
12:20:21 I WOULD EXPECT THAT AS THESE PROTESTS CONTINUE, WHICH THEY
12:20:25 WILL CONTINUE, I WOULD THINK THE GOOD PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
12:20:30 START STANDING UP AND POINTING OUT THE BAD APPLES, SAY
12:20:34 THAT'S NOT NECESSARY, IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE.
12:20:36 YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT I CAN TELL YOU ON SUNDAY, THE BLACK
12:20:45 PRIDE LIVES MATTER MARCH, SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE THERE, I THINK
12:20:50 YOU WERE THERE, COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND I HAVE BEEN DEFENDING
12:20:54 THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT BECAUSE IN TAMPA, THAT IS
12:20:57 NOT A VIOLENT MOVEMENT.
12:20:59 THERE WERE FAMILIES OUT THERE.
12:21:01 OF ALL COLORS.
12:21:06 THEY ARE ANTI-POLICE BRUTALITY.
12:21:08 I'M NOT THEIR SPOKES MANE BUT THAT'S THE VIBE I HAVE ALWAYS
12:21:12 GOTTEN FROM THEM.
12:21:16 AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO TOLD US IN THE CROWD, THERE ARE A
12:21:18 BUNCH OF KIDS OUT HERE WHO HAVE GUNS, AND THEY TRIED TO SET
12:21:22 A CAR ON FIRE AND BROKE INTO A GROCERY STORE AT 22ND AT MLK
12:21:28 AND IT GOT A LITTLE UGLY OUT THERE BUT I WAS NOT GOING TO
12:21:31 ALLOW THEM TO TURN DOWN THE -- BURN DOWN THE BLACK
12:21:34 COMMUNITY.
12:21:35 I WILL NOT STAND BY IDLY WHATSOEVER AND ALLOW THAT TYPE OF
12:21:38 BEHAVIOR TO HAPPEN.
12:21:39 UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST NOT ALWAYS A GOOD OUTCOME.
12:21:46 I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
12:21:48 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I THINK IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT, AND YOU
12:21:51 KNOW THIS, TO CONTINUE TO HAVE DIALOGUE IN A COMMUNITY.
12:21:55 A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE CALLED ME WHO ARE GOOD PEOPLE
12:21:57 WHO WERE GENERALLY TROUBLED BY WHAT HAPPENED TWO NIGHTS AGO,
12:22:02 AND THAT REQUIRES DIALOGUE AND POTENTIAL CHANGE.
12:22:05 HECK, JUST A COUPLE HOURS AGO I TALKED ABOUT THINGS THAT I
12:22:07 COULD HAVE DONE BETTER IN THE LAST THREE YEARS AS A CITY
12:22:10 COUNCILMAN AND I SAID, NOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT I COULD HAVE
12:22:13 BEEN MORE JUDICIOUS, I'M SORRY, AND SOMETIMES WE NEED TO
12:22:19 AMEND AND REFLECT, ET CETERA, WHENEVER IT COMES TO POLICY.
12:22:22 AND I THINK THAT COMES THROUGH DIALOGUE.
12:22:24 AND I KNOW YOU ARE A MAN OF DIALOGUE, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
12:22:27 HELPING IN THAT REGARD BECAUSE I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THE
12:22:30 VOICES THAT WE HEARD ARE FROM WHAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY
12:22:33 EVENING DO BRING SOME SERIOUSLY TROUBLING ISSUES WHICH CAN
12:22:37 HOPEFULLY BE AMENDED THROUGH DIALOGUE AND TO THE EXTENT THAT
12:22:41 PROCEDURE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED THROUGH REFORM IN THAT REGARD.
12:22:43 SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
12:22:45 AND I WILL LOOK FOR INPUT FROM MY COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY
12:22:48 COUNCILMAN GUDES IN THAT REGARD.
12:22:50 >>CHIEF DUGAN: AND TUESDAY NIGHT IS TROUBLING BECAUSE AFTER
12:22:54 EIGHT HOURS AND EIGHT MILES OF MARCHING AND WALK DOWN TO THE
12:23:00 FOX 13 STUDIOS ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD, ALL THE WAY BACK
12:23:03 DOWNTOWN, AND THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN, YOU NOTICE, WE HAD
12:23:06 PROTESTS OVER IN ST. PETE, WE HAD PROTESTS IN RIVERVIEW, AND
12:23:10 THE MAYOR LIFTED THE CURFEW, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD
12:23:14 EVERYTHING BACK UNDER CONTROL, AND I WANTED TO GIVE PEACEFUL
12:23:17 PROTEST AN OPPORTUNITY.
12:23:19 AND AS THOSE OTHER PROTESTS IN OTHER CITIES ENDED, WELL,
12:23:23 TAMPA IS STILL DOING IT, LET'S GO THERE.
12:23:26 AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
12:23:27 AND IT DID NOT DISBURSE.
12:23:29 AND IT'S GOING TO BE -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LONG
12:23:34 CHECKLIST OF PEOPLE THAT YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE NEEDS TO SIT
12:23:39 DOWN AND HAVE A PROPER CONVERSATION WITH.
12:23:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:23:44 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:23:45 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST WANTED TO START BY THANKING YOU AND
12:23:50 YOUR COLLEAGUES.
12:23:54 I THANKED YOU ALL IN EVERY MEETING THAT WE HAD, THAT WE HAVE
12:23:56 BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC AND YOU AND OTHER FIRST
12:23:59 RESPONDERS HAVE BEEN PUTTING YOUR LIVES ON THE LINE
12:24:01 PROTECTING US FROM CORONAVIRUS AND NOW PROTECTING
12:24:08 PROTESTORS, AND WE BASICALLY AGREE THAT THEY HAVE A FIRST
12:24:12 AMENDMENT RIGHT TO SPEAK, AND APPRECIATE YOU PROTECTING THEM
12:24:15 AND PROTECTING HOMEOWNERS AS WELL.
12:24:17 I KNOW LAST NIGHT SOME OF THEM PHONED YOU AND ALSO WITH
12:24:20 NEIGHBORS IN SOUTH TAMPA, IT WAS POURING DOWN RAIN, AND YOUR
12:24:25 OFFICERS WERE OUT THERE IN THE RAIN HELPING THE PROTESTORS
12:24:28 AND HELPING THE NEIGHBORS.
12:24:29 AND THAT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED AND IS VERY APPRECIATED.
12:24:33 SO JUST FOR ANY OFFICERS WATCHING, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL
12:24:36 YOU ARE DOING.
12:24:37 IF YOU LOOK AT TAMPA SCORECARD.COM, TAMPA DOES VERY BADLY ON
12:24:44 THOSE ECONOMIC MEASURES BUT WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST
12:24:47 VIOLENT CRIME RATES IN THE STATED.
12:24:48 SO SOMETHING IS WORKING, AND WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING, AND WE
12:24:53 DON'T WANT, WHAT WAS IN THE EARLY 90s WHEN ALL THE CARS
12:24:58 WERE GETTING STOLEN, THERE WERE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING,
12:25:02 AND YOU ALL STOPPED THAT, AND I THINK MOST OF OUR CITIZENS
12:25:06 ARE HAPPY THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE HIGH VIOLENT CRIME RATE.
12:25:11 I LISTED SOME THINGS EARLIER, SOME HAD TO DO WITH POLICE,
12:25:15 MOST OF THEM DIDN'T.
12:25:18 I FOR THE MOST PART HOLD THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE.
12:25:22 AND NOW I AM ONE.
12:25:23 AND SO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT IN THIS CASE THE CITY
12:25:27 COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR SET THE TONE FOR THE POLICE, AND EVERY
12:25:32 OTHER DEPARTMENT.
12:25:33 WE SET THE RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
12:25:36 AND THE BUCK STOPS WITH US IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
12:25:41 IF WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO PREVENT SOMETHING BAD
12:25:44 FROM HAPPENING, THEN IT'S ON US.
12:25:47 AND THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER.
12:25:52 BUT I THINK WE HAVE ALL BEEN INUNDATED WITH DIFFERENT
12:25:56 RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:25:56 THERE'S ONE GROUP THAT HAS A LIST OF THINGS THAT POLICE
12:26:00 SHOULD DO, AND ANOTHER PERSON HAS TEN LISTS AND ALL KINDS OF
12:26:03 THINGS THAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD PUT INTO PLACE.
12:26:06 AND I AM NOT PREPARED TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS ON ANY OF THAT
12:26:08 TODAY.
12:26:09 MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES ARE.
12:26:10 BUT ONE THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS SIMILAR TO THE BAYSHORE
12:26:13 MEETING WE HAD.
12:26:15 I THINK AT SOME POINT, MAYBE A WEEK FROM NOW OR TWO WEEKS,
12:26:19 MAYBE IT'S A COUPLE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT WE OUGHT TO HAVE
12:26:22 SOME KIND OF FORUM WHERE YOU ARE THERE, THE PBA IS
12:26:25 REPRESENTED, AND WE BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO LISTEN.
12:26:29 WE NEED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
12:26:32 DOING.
12:26:33 IT COULD BE THAT MANY OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING
12:26:35 FOR ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
12:26:39 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
12:26:41 WHAT THE COMMITTEE -- COMMUNITY WANT WAND YOU ALL ARE
12:26:45 DIAGNOSE AND I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO BRIDGE THE GAP THERE.
12:26:47 BUT I THINK FIRST YOU ALL SHOULD GET CREDIT AND THE PRIOR
12:26:50 COUNCIL SHOULD GET CREDIT FOR WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE, AND
12:26:53 THEN WE OUGHT TO REALLY LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND UNDERSTAND
12:26:56 WHAT ELSE WE THINK WE NEED TO DO, BUT LISTEN, LISTEN TO THE
12:27:00 PBA, AND THE POLICE.
12:27:03 I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, AND THE COMMUNITY
12:27:05 CAME OUT AND SAID WE NEED BIAS TRAINING AND PBA SAID DON'T
12:27:14 SINGLE US OUT SO ALL DEPARTMENTS OF THE COMMITTEE AND NOT
12:27:17 JUST THE POLICE.
12:27:18 I THINK THE FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY IS IMPORTANT.
12:27:20 INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH W THIS PIECEMEAL COUNCIL MEETING, I
12:27:25 WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE SOME LONGER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT
12:27:28 WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT AND TALKED AND WE COULD HAVE A
12:27:31 DIALOGUE AND LISTEN AND HOPEFULLY WE WOULD GET SOME
12:27:33 CONSTRUCTIVE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT AS
12:27:36 A RESULT OF IT.
12:27:37 BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THERE'S MORE THAN ONE VOICE.
12:27:39 THERE ARE LOTS OF VOICES.
12:27:41 WE NEED DIALOGUE MORE THAN EVER.
12:27:42 WE NEED A DIALOGUE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
12:27:44 AND WE NEED TO COME UP WITH CONCRETE SOLUTIONS.
12:27:47 THANK YOU.
12:27:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:27:48 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:27:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
12:27:51 YOU KNOW, I LISTENED TO EVERYONE HERE AND EVERYONE HAD A LOT
12:27:54 OF THINGS THAT THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED WITH, AND BROUGHT TO
12:27:58 OUR ATTENTION.
12:27:59 AND I REMEMBER ONE INDIVIDUAL, A GUY WAS WALKING BY THE
12:28:03 CONVENTION CENTER, STOPPED AND OFFICER AND SAID GO INSIDE IF
12:28:09 YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
12:28:10 AND WHAT HE SAID STRUCK ME RIGHT BETWEEN MY EYES.
12:28:16 WHY DON'T YOU GO WITH NO COP FOR 72 HOURS AND SEE WHAT
12:28:19 HAPPENS.
12:28:19 THAT'S A STUNNING STATEMENT TO MAKE BECAUSE IT WAKES YOU UP.
12:28:22 WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?
12:28:23 THERE'S NO COPS FOR 72 HOURS.
12:28:27 ANYBODY ANSWER THAT?
12:28:31 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHAOTIC.
12:28:34 INSTEAD OF 130 ARRESTS, YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD 138 DEAD PEOPLE.
12:28:38 I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BUT IT COULD HAVE
12:28:40 HAPPENED.
12:28:41 WHEN I LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THAT, MAYBE WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO
12:28:45 TO UNDERSTAND WHAT POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH IS HAVE
12:28:49 EVERYBODY THAT WE CAN, ALL THE COMMUNITY LEADERS, RIDE WITH
12:28:53 THE OFFICERS, JUST ONE NIGHT SHIFT A MONTH, HAVE PEOPLE IN
12:29:00 THE CLERGY, HAVE PEOPLE IN THE BANKING INDUSTRY, HAVE PEOPLE
12:29:04 FROM ALL OF SOCIETY, INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THESE COMMITTEES,
12:29:10 SHOW THEM WHAT THEY DO, WHAT YOU DO AND YOUR POLICE OFFICERS
12:29:14 DO, SO THEY CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.
12:29:16 AND A CITY LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON SAID ONE OF THE
12:29:20 LOWEST CRIME RATES IN AMERICA.
12:29:24 WHEN THAT HAPPENS, AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED, I THINK THE
12:29:30 PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT A UNIFORM AND A BADGE AND OATH
12:29:35 OF OFFICE TO PROTECT THE CITY, BOTH SIDES OF THE CITIZENS,
12:29:39 NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE, ARE WE PERFECT?
12:29:41 OF COURSE NOT.
12:29:43 ARE YOU PERFECT?
12:29:43 I DON'T THINK SO.
12:29:45 NO ONE IS PERFECT.
12:29:47 BUT THERE'S A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING TODAY, REACTION ON
12:29:52 REACTION AND REACTION, AND THERE IS NO ACTION TO THE
12:29:54 REACTION.
12:29:55 I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE START A PROGRAM WHERE CHAMBER OF
12:30:02 COMMERCES, BANKERS, FROM EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE, NORTH SIDE,
12:30:07 EVERY SIDE, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
12:30:12 ALL WE DO IS READ WHAT IS WRITTEN.
12:30:15 WHAT WE SEE ON TELEVISION.
12:30:17 AND NOW THE STORY ON TELEVISION DOESN'T MAKE 30 MINUTES,
12:30:22 THEY GO IN AND GO OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ANOTHER SUBJECT
12:30:24 MATTER TO DO.
12:30:25 SO WHATEVER PART OF THAT SEGMENT YOU SAW, AND I DON'T SEE
12:30:32 HOW THIS COULD BE OBTAINED BUT I THINK WE SHOULD START A
12:30:36 DIALOGUE TO HAVE COMMUNITY LEADERS RIDE WITH THE COPS SO
12:30:40 THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
12:30:46 SOME OF US DON'T UNDERSTAND, INCLUDING MAYBE EVEN MYSELF,
12:30:50 BECAUSE WHAT YOU MEN AND WOMEN SEE ON A DAILY BASIS, MOST OF
12:30:56 US DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE IT.
12:30:59 SO WHEN YOU DON'T SEE SOMETHING, YOU MEN AND WOMEN SEE IT,
12:31:07 WE DON'T.
12:31:10 AND THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKERS ALONG WITH THE MAYOR, BUT
12:31:13 WE REALLY DON'T SEE IT.
12:31:15 MAYBE WE OUGHT TO RIDE WITH THE COPS ONE DAY A MONTH, SEE
12:31:19 WHAT HAPPENS.
12:31:22 AND UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS REALLY ABOUT, TO UNDERSTAND WHO
12:31:25 IS DOING THE RIGHT THING AND MARCHING, AND TO HAVE THE RIGHT
12:31:28 TO DO THAT, AND WHO IS INFILTRATING WITH THE RIGHT TO DO
12:31:34 SOMETHING ELSE.
12:31:35 IT'S NOT EASY LIVING IN A FREE COUNTRY.
12:31:40 IT'S EVEN HARDER TO LIVE NO COUNTRY THAT'S NOT FREE.
12:31:43 AND IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE CHANGE, AND A COUNTRY THAT
12:31:50 HAS NO RIGHT TO MAKE CHANGE, YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO MAKE
12:31:52 CHANGE.
12:31:55 IN SOME AREAS, YOU WILL BE IN SIBERIA FOR THE REST OF YOUR
12:31:59 LIFE.
12:31:59 WE THINK DON'T HAVE THAT HEAR.
12:32:00 THANK GOD WE DON'T.
12:32:03 BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING.
12:32:06 AND MOST OF US WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
12:32:10 WE AREN'T GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT LINE.
12:32:12 I SUGGEST THAT ALL OF US OUGHT TO RIDE WITH THE POLICE
12:32:14 OFFICERS ONE NIGHT A MONTH AND THEN COME BACK AND GIVE A
12:32:18 REPORT.
12:32:20 I'M THROUGH WITH COMMITTEES.
12:32:27 COMMITTEES DIDN'T GET ELECTED, WE DID.
12:32:29 SO I'M OPEN TO ALL SUGGESTIONS.
12:32:30 THANK YOU.
12:32:30 >>CHIEF DUGAN: WE HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS WITH THE CITIZENS
12:32:35 ACADEMY.
12:32:36 I HAVE INVITED MEMBERS MUCH COUNCIL, MANY PEOPLE DO
12:32:40 RIDE-ALONGS, AND IT IS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S NO
12:32:43 DOUBT.
12:32:44 AND I THINK EVENTUALLY MORE PEOPLE WILL DO THAT.
12:32:48 BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE US SOME TIME RIGHT I KNOW.
12:32:50 WHEN I STOOD HERE AND I LISTENED TO PEOPLE TODAY, AND SOME
12:32:55 OF THEM ARE IMPLYING THE COPS ARE RACIST AND STUFF, AND SOME
12:32:58 OF THE ANTI-COP RHETORIC, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AND
12:33:02 THEY ARE CLOSED MINDED, AND THEY SAY THEY ACCUSE US OF
12:33:07 JUDGING THEM BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, BUT YET THEY HAVE
12:33:10 NO PROBLEM JUDGING US BY THE COLOR OF OUR UNIFORM.
12:33:13 SO UNTIL WE CAN BREAK DOWN THOSE WALLS AND HAVE COOLER
12:33:17 HEADS, BUT I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET PEOPLE TO COME
12:33:20 ALONG WITH US AND SEE IT DID FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
12:33:25 SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:33:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'LL MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THAT.
12:33:28 THANK YOU.
12:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:33:30 I HAVE DONE RIDE ALONGS, NOT MANY, BUT OVER THE LAST TEN
12:33:34 YEARS SEVERAL TIMES THROUGH DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
12:33:36 THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS LAST FALL.
12:33:42 (AUDIO LOST).
12:33:46 THE TRAUMA, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAUMA THAT OFFICERS DEAL WITH
12:34:08 DAY IN AND DAY OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALL THEY SEE.
12:34:11 RIGHT BEFORE I WAS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS THE SHIFT
12:34:15 BEGAN, SOMEONE WITH A HEROIN OVERDOSE, ON THE SIDE OF PORT
12:34:25 AVENUE.
12:34:25 I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MADE
12:34:28 SAYING THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD AND COMMUNITY LEADERS SHOULD
12:34:31 RIDE ALONG WITH POLICE AND MAYBE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET
12:34:34 A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
12:34:35 IT GAVE ME A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
12:34:37 I DID THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY.
12:34:39 THE SCARIEST THING THAT I FOUND WASN'T THE CAR CHASE
12:34:43 SCENARIO.
12:34:43 IT WASN'T FAIR ARMS IT WASN'T A TASER.
12:34:46 IT WAS TRAFFIC STEPS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.
12:34:49 AND OFFICERS DO THOSE DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND IT'S SCARY BOTH
12:34:54 FOR THE DRIVER AND THE OFFICER BECAUSE AGAIN EVERY SCENARIO
12:34:57 IS DIFFERENT.
12:34:57 I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY COMMENTS THIS MORNING GOING OUT
12:35:02 AND BEING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS EXPRESSING THEMSELVES AND
12:35:08 BEING THERE TUESDAY NIGHT BEFORE ALL THE MAYHEM.
12:35:11 WHY?
12:35:12 BECAUSE I WANTED TO PUT MYSELF IN THEIR SHOES IN WHATEVER
12:35:15 CAPACITY TO SEE IT FOR MYSELF.
12:35:18 ONE THING IS WATCHING IT ON THE NEWS.
12:35:20 ONE THING IS READING A QUOTE IN THE NEWSPAPER.
12:35:23 BUT TO SEE IT YOURSELF AND SEE IT AND WITNESS IT, THEN YOU
12:35:25 GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.
12:35:27 BEYOND TUESDAY, I WALKED ALL THROUGH DOWNTOWN FROM FRANKLIN
12:35:31 MANOR TO CITY HALL AND THERE WERE OFFICERS ALL OVER THE
12:35:34 PLACE, BUT THIS WAS ORGANIZED.
12:35:36 ORGANIZED.
12:35:36 THEY WERE THERE.
12:35:37 THEY WEREN'T LOOKING FOR TROUBLE FROM WHAT I SAW.
12:35:39 THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOBS, STANDING BY.
12:35:42 BUT I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS.
12:35:43 AND I THINK COMMUNITY LEADERS HAVING RIDE A LONGS, YOLANDA
12:35:50 COFFEE WITH THE COPIES SITUATIONS WHICH ARE PROMOTED, WHICH
12:35:53 ARE GREAT, BUT SEE WHAT GOES IN DAY IN AND DAY OUT SITTING
12:35:57 IN THAT SQUAD CAR.
12:35:59 I APPRECIATE IT.
12:35:59 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:36:00 ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
12:36:01 NO?
12:36:02 ALL RIGHT.
12:36:02 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN MY COMMUNITY,
12:36:11 INUNDATED WITH PHONE CALLS, COMMENTS, AND I HAVE HAD VARIOUS
12:36:14 PRESS CONFERENCES THAT PEOPLE CLEARLY HAVE NOT WATCHED.
12:36:17 THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT I SUPPORT BLACK LIVES MATTER.
12:36:19 AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER,
12:36:23 THAT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM, THAT'S MY PROBLEM THAT THEY THINK
12:36:27 THEY DON'T MATTER.
12:36:28 AS YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO
12:36:30 ADDRESS AND SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO FIX.
12:36:32 AND I WILL DO THAT.
12:36:34 AND I WILL LISTEN.
12:36:37 AND I HEAR ALL THESE COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE.
12:36:39 AND I THINK THAT'S BIG BEEN OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IN OUR
12:36:42 NATION IS THAT WE WANT TO TELL PEOPLE OF COLOR HOW THEY
12:36:45 SHOULD FEEL AND HOW THEY SHOULD THINK.
12:36:47 WHEN THEY RAISE THE FIST WE CALL THEM MILITANTS.
12:36:53 WHEN THEY SAT ON THE BEVERAGE DURING A NATIONAL ANTHEM WE
12:36:56 CALL THEM UNPATRIOTIC.
12:36:58 THEN WE CRITICIZE THEM FOR TAKING A KNEE.
12:37:01 BUT YET WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING THE
12:37:04 NATIONAL ANTHEM THEY STILL SELL BEERS AND PEOPLE ARE TAKING
12:37:09 SELFIES BUT I GUESS THAT'S NOT DISRESPECTFUL.
12:37:12 I AND I'M SORRY, I GET EMOTIONAL.
12:37:15 I APOLOGIZE.
12:37:16 BUT I SEE THINGS FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW.
12:37:18 AND WE HAVE TO STOP JUDGING EACH OTHER.
12:37:21 AND I ASSURE YOU THAT I WILL TAKE THE STEPS THAT I NEED
12:37:25 PEACE IN OUR CITY SO WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER.
12:37:27 WE HAVE TO STOP TELLING PEOPLE HOW THEY SHOULD THINK AND HOW
12:37:31 THEY SHOULD FEEL AND START LISTENING.
12:37:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU NAILED THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THERE
12:37:37 WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND THAT IS WE NEED TO LISTEN, WE CAN'T
12:37:41 TELL THEM WHAT TO THINK.
12:37:42 AND SOMEONE ASKED ME YESTERDAY, WHY ARE YOU SO QUIET ALL THE
12:37:45 TIME?
12:37:46 AND IT'S NOT THAT I AM QUIET BECAUSE I AM OBSERVING BECAUSE
12:37:50 IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO TALK.
12:37:51 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH.
12:37:53 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE THINKING.
12:37:54 MY JOB IS TO LISTEN AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID, WE ARE
12:37:59 HERE TO LISTEN, HOW WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS, HOW CAN WE DO
12:38:02 BETTER?
12:38:03 I THINK IN YOUR WORDS TODAY, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A BETTER
12:38:07 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
12:38:08 AND IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
12:38:09 AND I THINK YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND I APPRECIATE
12:38:12 IT VERY MUCH.
12:38:12 >>CHIEF DUGAN: THANK YOU.
12:38:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF BENNETT.
12:38:19 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
12:38:21 BEFORE CHIEF DUGAN LEAVES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
12:38:25 TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY ON STAFF REPORTS TO WALK ON AN AGENDA
12:38:29 ITEM FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS.
12:38:33 SO CHIEF DUGAN MAY WANT TO EXPLAIN JUST HOW WE GOT INTO THE
12:38:37 FINANCIAL PICTURE, AND THEN I CAN EXPLAIN HOW THE MAYOR,
12:38:40 CHIEF DUGAN AND OUR CFO DENNIS ROGERO WORK TOGETHER TO HAVE
12:38:45 AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOMETHING ON THAT COUNCIL'S AGENDA
12:38:49 ITEM TODAY THAT IF THAT PASSES, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
12:38:52 MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCUREMENT THAT WAS STARTED PRIOR TO
12:38:56 THE COVID BUDGET RISK FACTORS.
12:39:01 >> AS YOU ALL RECALL, WE STARTED ON THE RFP QUITE SOME TIME
12:39:06 AGO, AND IT'S TAKEN TIME.
12:39:09 WE HAD BODY WORN CAMERAS, SIX OF THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND
12:39:15 WE COULD HAVE KIND OF PIGGYBACKED OFF OF THAT CONTRACT.
12:39:18 BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IRRESPONSIBLE OF NOT DOING
12:39:21 AN RFP SINCE YOU ARE DOING A MUCH LARGER CONTRACT AND YOU
12:39:23 ARE TRYING TO BUNDLE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PACKAGES TO SAVE
12:39:26 MONEY.
12:39:27 AND THEN WHEN THE COVID HIT, AND IT WAS OBVIOUS WE HAD TO
12:39:32 TAKE A HARD LOOK ON WHAT WE WERE PURCHASING, WHAT WE HADN'T
12:39:36 PURCHASED, AND THAT'S WHEN I RECOMMENDED TO THE MAYOR THAT
12:39:38 WE HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH
12:39:41 THAT PURCHASE.
12:39:42 BIG COMMITMENT, A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS A YEAR, AND MAY
12:39:46 END UP BEING MORE DOWN THE ROAD, AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN
12:39:49 IRRESPONSIBLE IN BY OPINION, AND HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON, BUT
12:39:54 MAYOR CASTOR HAS BEEN ABLE TO JUGGLE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS
12:39:57 AND NOW WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A BODY WORN CAMERA
12:40:01 SYSTEM.
12:40:01 I DON'T THINK IT'S THE END-ALL BUT I THINK IT WOULD GIVE
12:40:05 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND HELP BUILD THE TRUST THAT WE HAVE
12:40:08 IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
12:40:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:40:11 THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, MISINFORMATION OUT THERE
12:40:13 ESPECIALLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE WERE SAYING TAMPA CITY
12:40:17 COUNCIL VOTES DOWN UNANIMOUSLY MAY 21st BODY CAMERAS,
12:40:21 BUT THEY DID APPROVE TASERS.
12:40:23 AND IT'S HEADLINES LIKE THAT WITH LITTLE SUBSTANCE THAT
12:40:26 STARTED GETTING PEOPLE RILED UP.
12:40:28 A AND OVER AND OVER HAD TO EXPLAIN WHAT COUNCIL DID, WHAT
12:40:31 THE ADMINISTRATION DID, AND ONCE THEY UNDERSTOOD, PEOPLE --
12:40:36 THE MESSAGE CHANGED.
12:40:40 LIKE MARCH 1st TO LIFE NOW ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
12:40:44 F.YOU HAD MENTIONED HOW WIDE THINGS WOULD BE WITH COVID-19
12:40:47 RIGHT NOW AND NOW WITH THIS, NOBODY WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IT
12:40:50 BECAUSE I WOULDN'T HAVE.
12:40:51 THE MAGNITUDE OF WHERE WE ARE AT.
12:40:53 BUT BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 SITUATION, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT,
12:40:56 WE REALLY ARE NOT COMPLETELY CERTAIN WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:41:01 I UNDERSTAND THINGS WERE NOT CANCELED, THEY WERE POSTPONED,
12:41:04 LET'S WAIT A FEW MONTHS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
12:41:07 WE HAD A BUDGET THAT NEEDED TO BE BALANCED.
12:41:10 THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING IT.
12:41:11 I SAID THIS STORY A HUNDRED TIMES THESE LAST FEW DAYS.
12:41:14 CITY COUNCIL NEVER VOTED DOWN BODY CAMERAS.
12:41:16 IT WAS PUT ON HOLD FOR A LITTLE BIT, A FEW MONTHS.
12:41:20 NOW IT'S BEING PRIORITIZED.
12:41:22 WHY?
12:41:22 BECAUSE WE CAN GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THE HELP OF ALL THE
12:41:26 WORK OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CFO AND WHATNOT
12:41:29 BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.
12:41:31 BODY CAMERAS ARE IMPORTANT.
12:41:32 THEY ARE GREAT.
12:41:33 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ACCOUNTABILITY.
12:41:36 ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS TRUST AND VERIFY.
12:41:38 I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME AND YOU HAVE TRUST THE POLICE.
12:41:40 YOU VERIFY.
12:41:43 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
12:41:45 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ACCOUNTABILITY.
12:41:47 AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO BE WITH MORE BODY CAMERAS, WE
12:41:50 GO THAT OUT AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING.
12:41:52 SO THE VOTE THAT WE WILL BE TAKING, SO IT'S CLEAR, IS TO
12:41:56 MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT FUNDING THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THE
12:41:59 BODY CAMERAS SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT IS WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE
12:42:03 THERE WERE SEVERAL NEWS REPORTS THAT WERE INCORRECT.
12:42:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M THRILLED THAT BODY CAMERAS HAVE COME
12:42:19 BACK, THAT OUR STAFF HAVE FIGURED OUT A WAY TO PAY FOR THEM,
12:42:24 AND I THINK THAT I WOULD SAY NOW MORE THAN EVER THE ACLU
12:42:36 SUPPORT THEM, I THINK POLICE GENERALLY SUPPORT THEM, I'M
12:42:39 GLAD THAT YOU DO, BUT THEY DO CREATE, I THINK, MOVE TRUST IN
12:42:42 THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HE SAID SHE SAID, OF WHAT
12:42:46 HAPPENED, THERE'S A PICTURE AND MAYBE SOME AUDIO THAT CAN
12:42:49 ACTUALLY TELL US.
12:42:55 I WAS READING THE POLICY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
12:42:58 I ASSUME THIS POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE WE HAD THE
12:43:00 EARLIER CAMERAS.
12:43:04 I AM JUST WONDERING WHAT THE ORIGIN OF THE POLICY WAS, AND
12:43:07 HAVE WE UPDATED IT OR REVIEWED IT SINCE WE HAD THE EARLIER
12:43:12 PROGRAM IN PLACE?
12:43:14 >>CHIEF DUGAN: YES, IT'S BEEN REVIEWED.
12:43:16 I HAVE UPDATED IT MYSELF.
12:43:18 FORGIVE MY MEMORY.
12:43:20 IT'S A BIT OF A BLUR.
12:43:23 IT'S ABOUT A YEAR AGO THAT I FIRED THREE POLICE OFFICERS FOR
12:43:26 MANIPULATING THE BODY WORN CAMERAS THAT THEY HAD.
12:43:29 AND I HAVE EXPANDED THE USE OF TURNING OFF BODY CAMERAS SO
12:43:34 IT HAS BEEN UPDATED.
12:43:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ORIGIN OF THE
12:43:38 POLICY?
12:43:38 DIABETES WE WRITE IT OURSELVES?
12:43:41 >>CHIEF DUGAN: WE TAKE OTHER POLICIES FROM THE FLORIDA
12:43:44 CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF
12:43:47 POLICE, AND ALSO THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS ASSOCIATION THAT I AM
12:43:50 PART OF BEING THE CHIEF OF A MAJOR CITY, AND WE LOOK AT
12:43:56 POLICIES FROM OTHER AGENCIES, AND THEN WE INCORPORATE IT AS
12:44:00 TO WHAT WE THINK BEST SUITS OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR
12:44:04 COMMUNITY.
12:44:04 NOT EVERYONE COMMUNITY HAS ALL THE SAME ISSUES.
12:44:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SURE THAT ONCE WE GET IT OUT ON THE
12:44:10 STREET WITH HUNDREDS OF THEM, IT WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE
12:44:14 FOR US, AND I'M SURE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO REVISIT THE
12:44:19 POLICIES AND PRACTICES.
12:44:21 >>CHIEF DUGAN: YES, WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE.
12:44:23 OUR COPS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN TO USE THEM.
12:44:25 I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE TIMES THEY MAY ACTUALLY FORGET TO
12:44:29 TURN THEM OFF BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE
12:44:32 THAT THEY WILL CERTAIN TIMES BE AUTOMATICALLY ACTIVATED.
12:44:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:44:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES?
12:44:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW SOON WILL A NEW POLICY COME OUT?
12:44:46 >>CHIEF DUGAN: WELL, THE POLICY IS IN PLACE.
12:44:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO YOU HAVE ALREADY UPDATED IT.
12:44:52 IT'S IN PLACE NOW.
12:44:54 YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT.
12:44:56 AND I HAVEN'T READ THE NEW BOWLS.
12:44:58 BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE POLICY NOW IS THAT CAMERA
12:45:03 IS ALL THE TIME WITH CONTACT, IS THAT CORRECT?
12:45:07 >>CHIEF DUGAN: IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.
12:45:11 WE DO HAVE TO PROTECT CERTAIN VICTIMS' IDENTITIES AND THINGS
12:45:14 LIKE THAT.
12:45:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS GOING TO ASK BECAUSE THAT WAS
12:45:18 BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION SO I WANTED TO BE SURE.
12:45:20 THANK YOU, SIR.
12:45:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
12:45:22 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:45:23 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE
12:45:29 COMMUNITY WHO RESPONDED TO US AND ASKED US TO GO BACK AND
12:45:33 CHANGE THE POLICY.
12:45:36 SOME -- AS DIFFICULT AS SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE, THAT'S
12:45:41 WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO.
12:45:42 IT'S GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
12:45:44 I WOULD RATHER HEAR MORE FROM THE PUBLIC THAN LESS, BECAUSE
12:45:47 THAT MEANS WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING,
12:45:51 AND THE COMMUNITY ASKED US VERY STRONGLY TO BRING THIS BACK.
12:45:54 AND WE KNOW WHEN IT CAME BEFORE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
12:45:58 THE PBA, EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR OF THIS.
12:46:00 THE MAYOR WAS ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF THAT.
12:46:02 SO GLAD THAT IT CAME BACK.
12:46:04 BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC.
12:46:06 THIS SHOWS THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK OUT THAT PEOPLE DO LISTEN.
12:46:10 AND IN PARTICULAR I WANT TO THANK CHIEF BENNETT AND CHIEF
12:46:13 DUGAN AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WORKED ON THIS.
12:46:16 I KNOW I WAS ON THE PHONE TEXTING REGULARLY OVER THE LAST
12:46:20 WEEK AND PROBABLY MY COLLEAGUES WERE DOING THE SAME THING AS
12:46:23 WE WERE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
12:46:24 I MEAN, THIS IS HOW GOVERNMENT SHOULD WORK.
12:46:29 I THANK MR. ROGERO AND OTHERS IN THE FINANCIAL DEPARTMENT
12:46:33 THAT MADE THE NUMBERS WORK.
12:46:34 BUT THIS IS THE KIND OF RESPONSIVE GOVERNMENT THAT THE
12:46:37 PUBLIC WANTS AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE
12:46:39 RESPONSIVE ON OTHER ISSUES.
12:46:41 SO THANKS TO EVERYBODY.
12:46:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANKS VERY MUCH.
12:46:43 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:46:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALTHOUGH VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE BODY
12:46:46 CAMERAS, THERE COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
12:46:50 AND I TALKED TO TWO OFFICERS AND THIS IS WHAT CAME UP.
12:46:56 IF YOU WALK INTO AN APARTMENT AND THERE'S 2001 KIDS FIGHTING
12:46:59 AND THE MOTHER IS TRYING TO SEPARATE THEM AND HAVING A
12:47:02 LITTLE PROBLEM AND THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME FAMILY, THEY ARE
12:47:04 BLOOD BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND SHE CALLS THE COPS, THE COPS
12:47:09 COME, AND TALKS ABOUT WHATEVER THE SITUATION.
12:47:12 AND JUST THE MERE PRESENCE.
12:47:13 POLICE OFFICERS, IT CALMS DOWN THE SITUATION.
12:47:17 THERE WAS NO BODY CAMERA.
12:47:18 NOW, IF THERE'S A BODY CAMERA, THERE'S A FIGHT GOING ON,
12:47:23 WHAT HAPPENS?
12:47:25 WHO GETS ARRESTED?
12:47:30 THERE'S CAUSE FOR ARREST BUT THE POLICE OFFICER WITHOUT THE
12:47:32 BODY CAMERA SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.
12:47:34 NOW WHAT HAPPENS?
12:47:38 I'M NOT ASKING -- I'M ASKING EVERYONE.
12:47:40 BECAUSE THAT'S A SCENARIO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME.
12:47:44 BUT THERE IS A DISPUTE.
12:47:46 THERE IS A FIGHT GOING ON.
12:47:48 SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, HOW DO YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM
12:47:51 LIKE THAT?
12:47:53 I DON'T KNOW.
12:47:54 AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE BODY CAMERAS.
12:47:58 I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
12:48:00 I'M NOT ASKING YOU THAT QUESTION.
12:48:01 >>CHIEF DUGAN: YOU ARE NOT PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT.
12:48:06 I'M --
12:48:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE THE SAME HEAD.
12:48:17 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I AM GOING TO PUT MYSELF OUT ON AN ISLAND,
12:48:20 BUT I KNOW THEY ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO APPRECIATE THIS
12:48:22 COMMENT THAT I AM ABOUT TO MAKE.
12:48:24 THE LANDSCAPING OF POLICING HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE
12:48:27 LAST FIVE DAYS.
12:48:28 AND IF THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT
12:48:30 DOES NOT WANT A BODY WORN CAMERA, THEN I SUGGEST YOU TURN
12:48:33 YOUR BADGE IN.
12:48:34 BECAUSE WE CANNOT HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
12:48:38 IT HAS CHANGED.
12:48:39 WHETHER UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES GOOD OR BAD OR ODD IT'S
12:48:42 CHANGED.
12:48:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH YOU AND I THINK EVERYONE
12:48:45 AGREES WITH YOU.
12:48:45 THE SYSTEM HAS CHANGED.
12:48:46 THE IDEA -- THE COURTS HAVE CHANGED.
12:48:51 I HOPE NECESSITY CHANGED FOR THE BETTER.
12:48:53 SO THESE ARE THINGS GOING ON BUT I SUPPORTS THE BODY CAMERAS
12:48:56 FROM DAY ONE.
12:48:57 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:48:59 >>CHIEF DUGAN: AND THE BODY WORN CAMERAS AREN'T GOING TO
12:49:01 FIX ALL.
12:49:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:49:04 >>CHIEF DUGAN: THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE
12:49:06 SYSTEM IS NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED
12:49:09 TODAY.
12:49:09 IT'S NOT JUST THE POLICE.
12:49:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.
12:49:17 ARE THE CAMERAS THE SAME TYPE THAT ST. PETE HAD?
12:49:22 THEY SENT ME AN E-MAIL ABOUT THE SYSTEM, WHATEVER.
12:49:24 BUT IS IT THE SAME OR DIFFERENT?
12:49:28 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE.
12:49:31 I SPOKE TO CHIEF HOLLOWAY.
12:49:37 I SPOKE TO CHIEF CHRONISTER.
12:49:40 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ENDED UP GOING WITH.
12:49:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOMETHING ABOUT THE --
12:49:46 >> IF YOU GOT IT PULLED, YOUR TASER IS PULLED, IF YOUR
12:49:52 LIGHTS ON YOUR POLICE CAR ARE ACTIVATED, AND IF ONE IS
12:49:56 ACTIVATED, ANYONE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE WILL ACTIVATE
12:49:59 THE OTHER ONE.
12:50:00 THAT WILL BE PROBLEMATIC, TOO.
12:50:02 SO IT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. BUT WE'LL WORK THROUGH
12:50:05 IT.
12:50:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:50:06 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR?
12:50:11 THANK YOU, SIR.
12:50:12 JUST TWO THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR
12:50:15 THIS.
12:50:15 THROUGH MY INTERACTION WAS THE PUBLIC, I HAVE BEEN
12:50:18 ENCOURAGED BY AS RECENTLY THE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT THAT THERE
12:50:24 IS FOR BODY CAMERAS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE
12:50:27 IT WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
12:50:30 I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO ARE ON THE MORE CONSERVATIVE
12:50:33 SPECTRUM WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE OF IT, THOSE ON THE LEFT AS
12:50:36 WELL, THOSE IN THE CENTER, THOSE WHO AREN'T INTO POLITICS
12:50:39 BUT THEY JUST MAKE SENSE. SO I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ENCOURAGED
12:50:42 BY THAT.
12:50:42 I THINK THE BIG LESSON FOR US IN TERMS OF OHIO WE ARE NOW
12:50:46 JUMPING TO SUPPORT THIS AT THIS MOMENT -- AND MIND YOU
12:50:50 SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF,
12:50:54 JANE CASTOR RAN ON THIS ON HAVING BODY CAMERAS, ET CETERA,
12:50:57 BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY IS LET'S LOOK INTO THE FUTURE ON
12:51:01 THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU COME UP IN THIS AREA AND BE
12:51:03 PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE, AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS
12:51:06 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HERE TODAY GET US TO THAT.
12:51:09 SO I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR US ESPECIALLY AS A
12:51:12 GOVERNMENT BODY FOR ALL OF US STARTING WITH ME.
12:51:15 THANK YOU.
12:51:15 >>CHIEF DUGAN: AND I THINK WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE ON
12:51:20 BODY CAMERAS IS ALL THE GOOD THAT OUR COPS DO.
12:51:24 PEOPLE WILL BE SHOCKED.
12:51:25 THEY DON'T NEED TO GO ON A RIDE ALONG TO SEE WHAT WE DO.
12:51:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:51:33 CHIEF, I TOO LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THE REST OF OUR
12:51:36 COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE BODY CAMERAS.
12:51:40 THERE ARE CERTAIN TIMES -- CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG -- THAT
12:51:42 THE CAMERA IS RECORDING EVEN THOUGH THE OFFICER DOESN'T HIT
12:51:46 IT OR TURN IT ON.
12:51:47 30 SECONDS PRIOR?
12:51:49 >>CHIEF DUGAN: YES.
12:51:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME UNFORESEEN
12:51:53 CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE THESE -- EDITING IS NOT ALLOWED.
12:51:58 AND THIS IS ALL PUBLIC RECORD.
12:51:59 SO IF A POLICE OFFICER IS LOOKING AT A DOCUMENT OR LOOKING
12:52:02 AT THEIR COMPUTER, THERE IS INFORMATION THAT'S NOT -- THAT
12:52:07 MIGHT NOT BE PUBLIC SUCH AS NAME, ADDRESSES, THOSE TYPES OF
12:52:11 THINGS.
12:52:13 ALTHOUGH I AM IN SUPPORT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY
12:52:16 CAREFUL, THAT INFORMATION THAT SHOULDN'T BE GETTING OUT IS
12:52:20 GETTING OUT.
12:52:21 IT'S ALL PUBLIC RECORD.
12:52:22 NUMBER TWO, AND I HOPE YOU ARE NODDING YES, THAT'S CORRECT,
12:52:26 COUNCILMAN.
12:52:27 NUMBER TWO IS MY QUESTION IS ALWAYS STORAGE.
12:52:31 IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PRICE OF THE CAMERAS IS THE MOST
12:52:35 EXPENSIVE.
12:52:35 IT'S THE STORAGE.
12:52:37 HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THAT SINCE THREE, FOUR MONTHS
12:52:42 AGO?
12:52:44 >>CHIEF DUGAN: WELL, ONCE WE GET THAT, THAT WAS THE BEST
12:52:49 PRICE.
12:52:50 IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION RIGHT.
12:52:52 BUT YES, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WAS A
12:52:55 REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT.
12:52:58 THE EQUIPMENT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS
12:53:01 MUCH AS THE STORAGE IS.
12:53:03 AND THE VIDEO THAT IS R REQUIRED ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE MORE
12:53:07 COMPLICATED CASES, CERTAIN RETENTION PERIODS THAT NEED TO BE
12:53:13 DONE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
12:53:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:53:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:53:17 I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
12:53:18 YOU APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID.
12:53:20 AN OFFICER DOESN'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN TURN IN THEIR BADGE.
12:53:23 THAT'S A VERY POWERFUL STATEMENT.
12:53:24 HAVING A BODY CAMERA SHOULD BE AS NATURAL AS PUTTING ON YOUR
12:53:28 SEAT BELT IN A CAR.
12:53:29 IT'S FOR EVERYBODY'S SAFETY.
12:53:30 THAT'S IT.
12:53:31 AND THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
12:53:32 HAVING SAID THAT, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
12:53:35 MR. SHELBY, THIS IS NOW A RESOLUTION THAT WE VOTE ON?
12:53:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
12:53:44 YES, IT'S A WALK-ON.
12:53:45 AND I BELIEVE THE RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO CITY
12:53:47 COUNCIL.
12:53:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HAS EVERYONE SEEN THE RESOLUTION?
12:53:53 >> MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
12:53:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY INQUIRE.
12:53:56 THIS COPY OF THE RESOLUTION.
12:54:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:54:02 IT'S ON THE ADDENDUM.
12:54:03 THE BASICS ARE 952,545 TO BE REAPPROPRIATED FOR THE BODY
12:54:09 WARN CAMERA PROGRAM, PER MR. ROGERO, CFO.
12:54:15 YES.
12:54:17 DO WE DO A ROLL CALL ON THIS?
12:54:19 I KNOW IT'S TYPICALLY NOT NECESSARY.
12:54:21 ALL RIGHT.
12:54:21 SO WHO MADE THE MOTION?
12:54:22 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:54:25 WHO SECONDED IT?
12:54:27 WHO IS THE SECOND?
12:54:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CITRO.
12:54:31 >> ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:54:32 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:54:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:54:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:54:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:54:37 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:54:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:54:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:54:42 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:54:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS $952,000.
12:54:47 ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE BODY WORN CAMERA PROGRAM
12:54:51 THAT WAS JUST UNANIMOUSLY PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
12:54:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:54:57 CHIEF BENNETT.
12:54:58 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE HAVE THREE OTHER THINGS ON THE STAFF
12:55:03 REPORT THAT WE NEED TO COVER.
12:55:05 THE FIRST ONE I'LL MOVE AND THEN I WILL BE ABLE TO TURN THE
12:55:10 MICROPHONE OVER TO CAROLE POST TO COVER THE FINAL TWO.
12:55:13 THE FIRST ONE WAS I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN ANXIOUSLY AWAITING FOR
12:55:17 OUR SUSTAINABILITIES AND RESILIENCE OFFICER, THE MAYOR'S
12:55:23 ADVISORY PROGRAM COMES TOGETHER.
12:55:24 WE KNOW THE OTHER FOUR, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, DEVELOPMENT
12:55:27 SERVICES, TRANSPORTATION, AND HOUSING AFFORDABILITY HAVE
12:55:33 REACHED A POINT OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACTION PLANS.
12:55:37 HOWEVER, LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS FIFTH DIMENSION THAT'S
12:55:41 GOING TO BE ALL ENCOMPASSING AND I'LL LET MS. POST TALK
12:55:44 ABOUT THAT IN DETAIL.
12:55:46 IN THE MEANTIME WE WANT TO INTRODUCE AS COUNCIL HAD ASKED
12:55:49 FOR OUR NEW SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCE OFFICER MR. WHIT
12:55:51 REMER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE MICROPHONE FOR A FEW
12:55:58 MOMENTS AND THEN YOU CAN ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
12:56:05 WHIT.
12:56:07 >>WHIT REMER: IT'S MY HONOR TO BE BEFORE YOU TODAY, COUNCIL
12:56:10 AB AND TO BE PART OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND WORK FOR THE
12:56:13 PEOPLE OF TAMPA, WORK FOR CITY COUNCIL AND FOR THIS GREAT
12:56:15 MAYOR.
12:56:17 THAT HAS REALLY PRIORITIZED SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY AS
12:56:21 PART OF OUR T-3 PROGRAM.
12:56:23 WHEN I WAS TALKING TO CHIEF BENNETT
12:56:26 AND A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WORK FOR THE CITY ABOUT THIS
12:56:29 OPPORTUNITY, I SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT I FEEL
12:56:32 LIKE EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE IN MY LIFE SET ME UP NOR
12:56:36 OPPORTUNITY AS A REAL POSITIVE WAY.
12:56:39 I HAVE WORKED AND MARKETED JUSTICE ISSUES WHICH REALLY HAVE
12:56:43 AN IMPORTANT UNDERTONE WITH DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD HERE
12:56:46 TODAY, PASSIONATE ABOUT WATER RESOURCES, RENEWABLE ENERGY,
12:56:50 GREEN SPACE FOR EVERY PERSON IN TAMPA TO SHALL ABLE TO GET
12:56:55 OUTSIDE AND HAVE ACCESS TO CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER, AND THE
12:57:00 ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE IS GOING TO BE THERE, SUSTAINABILITY SIDE
12:57:03 IS GOING TO BE THERE AND THE RESILIENCE SIDE.
12:57:05 AGAIN RESILIENCE BY DEFINITION IS THE ABILITY OF A COMMUNITY
12:57:08 TO RESPOND TO, ADAPT, AND FAST FORWARD, AND I KNOW MS. POST
12:57:16 HAS SOME REMARKS PREPARED IN THAT REGARD.
12:57:18 BUT I AM RIM HONORED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU AND READY TO GET
12:57:21 TO WORK, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH OF YOU ON
12:57:24 YOUR IDEAS FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS KNOW N YOUR DISTRICTS,
12:57:27 YOUR COMMUNITIES, PEOPLE WE ALL WORK FOR, TO MAKE TAMPA A
12:57:31 SUSTAINABLE VIBRANT HEALTHY PLACE FOR US NOW AND FOR
12:57:35 GENERATIONS TO COME.
12:57:36 THANK YOU AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
12:57:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME ABOARD.
12:57:39 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:57:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN WE BRING ON PEOPLE, PEOPLE SOMETIMES
12:57:46 DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY DO.
12:57:48 GLAD YOU CURTAILED A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE
12:57:50 DOING.
12:57:50 I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK WHERE YOU ARE STARTING FIRST.
12:57:55 WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO START YOUR WORK AT FIRST.
12:58:01 >>WHIT REMER: I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED A PLAN TO
12:58:04 START TALKING WITH NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY FEEL
12:58:08 LIKE THEY ARE MISSING THAT FALL IN MY REALM.
12:58:14 SO WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH A GROUP CALLED THE
12:58:17 RESILIENCY CITIES CATALYST WHICH IS A SPINOFF OF THE
12:58:21 ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION WHO HAS DONE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD
12:58:24 WORK IN CITIES LARGE AND SMALL, ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED,
12:58:30 PROSPEROUS, AND WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP -- PROSPEROUS, AND
12:58:35 WE ARE GOING TO DEVELOP A PLAN BUT REALLY DEVELOP A
12:58:38 FRAMEWORK ABOUT HOW TO GET ALL THE VOICES FROM NEIGHBORHOODS
12:58:40 AROUND TAMPA TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST TO
12:58:45 THEM, AND EACH NEIGHBORHOOD, EACH COMMUNITY HAS DIFFERENT
12:58:48 PRIORITIES THAT FALL UNDER THE SUSTAINABILITIES AND
12:58:51 RESILIENCE PHASE.
12:58:52 LIKE I MENTIONED.
12:58:53 IN ONE AREA OF THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE WORKING WITH THE
12:58:57 STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TO HELP REDUCE PROPERTY FLOODING, AND
12:59:00 OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY IT MIGHT BE THAT THEY DON'T LIVE
12:59:04 WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF GREEN SPACE OR A PARK, AND MAYBE WE
12:59:07 HAVE GOT SOME PARCELS OF LAND OWNED BY THE CITY THAT WE CAN
12:59:12 MAKE IT TO A NEW GREEN SPACE.
12:59:14 SO MY FIRST THING, AND IT KIND OF ECHOES WHAT WE HAVE HEARD
12:59:17 TODAY, IS GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF LISTENING AND A LOT OF
12:59:21 LEARNING.
12:59:24 I MOVED BACK TO TAMPA THREE YEARS AGO BUT I HAVE GOT A WHOLE
12:59:27 LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO AND A LOT OF
12:59:30 FOLKS I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN WHAT THEIR OPERATORS ARE FOR
12:59:32 THIS POSITION, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MY FIRST THING IS TO
12:59:36 LISTEN AND THEN HOPEFULLY PUT ALL THOSE COMMENTS INTO A PLAN
12:59:42 THAT HAS A LOT OF FOUR OTHER WORKING GROUPS TOGETHER AND
12:59:46 THEN THIS WILL BE THE FIFTH, AND THIS WILL BE -- WE ARE
12:59:49 GOING TO TAKE THAT FORWARD.
12:59:50 AND IT MIGHT BE SOLAR PANELS ON THE CONVENTION CENTER.
12:59:53 IT MIGHT BE GREEN SPACE.
12:59:55 IT MIGHT BE STORMWATER FLOODING.
12:59:57 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LACK AT THE CITY.
12:59:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:00:03 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
13:00:05 >>BILL CARLSON: WELCOME ONBOARD.
13:00:07 I AM VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU.
13:00:09 THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR AND CHIEF BENNETT FOR CREATING THIS
13:00:13 POSITION.
13:00:13 IT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WE HAD THE MOST QUESTIONS ABOUT BEFORE
13:00:17 THE PANDEMIC, BEFORE THE CRISIS.
13:00:21 IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION IN OUR COMMUNITY.
13:00:23 AS THEY WENT THROUGH WHO MIGHT COME ON BOARD I WAS HAPPY TO
13:00:27 SEE YOU WERE THERE, WHIT, AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE, BUT I WANTED
13:00:31 TO ASK QUESTIONS, AND NOW WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT IF YOU
13:00:33 HAVE ANY TIME.
13:00:34 BUT HE'S ALSO BEEN VERY DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
13:00:38 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HIM BRINGING ALL THOSE COMMITTEE
13:00:42 CONTACTS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY I CAN'T WAIT TO HAND OFF ALL
13:00:47 THE QUESTIONS TO YOU.
13:00:50 >>WHIT REMER: I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
13:00:53 MY PLEASURE, COUNCILMAN.
13:00:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
13:00:57 CHIEF?
13:01:00 THAT WAS IT?
13:01:02 >>WHIT REMER: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
13:01:03 LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
13:01:04 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU.
13:01:09 WE HAVE TWO OTHER STAFF AGENDA ITEMS REMAINING.
13:01:12 HOWEVER, I DO KNOW THAT I BELIEVE ONE ITEM HAS BEEN PULLED,
13:01:16 AND ONE ITEM WAS REQUESTED TO BE PULLED.
13:01:18 SO THAT COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE STAFF ITEMS UP TO FOUR
13:01:24 ITEMS. IF MR. SHELBY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT -- NOT NOW BUT
13:01:27 MAKE SURE WE COVER THOSE STAFF ITEMS THAT WERE PULLED.
13:01:30 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO KEEP ALL OF THIS AND STAFF
13:01:34 REPORTS TOGETHER.
13:01:35 SO BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, AND SPECIFICALLY I KNOW ITEM 3 WAS
13:01:38 REQUESTED, AND I THINK ITEM 21 WAS REQUESTED FOR SOME STAFF
13:01:42 ENGAGEMENTS.
13:01:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR ITEM NUMBER 3?
13:01:45 COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTED TO CONTINUE IT.
13:01:49 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT
13:01:52 NOW BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE IT ON IT FOR TWO WEEKS.
13:01:56 I WASN'T ASKING FOR ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
13:01:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM
13:02:01 NUMBER 3 AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY?
13:02:05 DID 25th.
13:02:06 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST TO MAKE SURE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS, IF IT
13:02:11 IS CONTINUED FOR TWO WEEKS, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC SAFETY
13:02:15 RAMIFICATIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
13:02:17 >> I WAS HOPING THIS WOULD BE ADDRESSED WHILE CHIEF DUGAN
13:02:22 WAS STILL HERE, BUT IN HIS STEAD, IN MY 30 YEAR HISTORY OF
13:02:26 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OVER 30 YEARS AS A TRAINER, ITEM 3
13:02:29 IS PART OF THE IN-SERVICE TRAINING SUPPLY CHAIN, IF YOU
13:02:32 WILL, AND A LOT OF THEIR TRAINING HAS BEEN DELAYED FROM
13:02:36 COVID.
13:02:36 SO DELAYING THIS TWO WEEKS AND THEN DOING THE PROCUREMENT
13:02:39 PROCESS AND DELIVERY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MONTH.
13:02:42 AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN PEAK HURRICANE SEASON.
13:02:46 WE HAVE ALREADY HAD AT LEAST TWO STORMS OUT THERE.
13:02:48 HIGH LIABILITY TRAINING IS CRITICAL.
13:02:50 THERE ARE SEVERAL CATEGORIES, EVERYTHING FROM ETHICS TO
13:02:53 IMPLICIT BIAS, ALL THE THINGS, BUT IT ALSO INVOLVES THE
13:02:56 HANDS-ON TRAINING.
13:02:57 THIS COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR TRAINING SEQUENCE.
13:03:00 I UNDERSTAND THE TAMING.
13:03:02 THINGS HAPPEN.
13:03:02 BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AS AN INSTRUCTOR FOR MANY YEARS IN
13:03:07 ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GET THE
13:03:10 SUPPLY ITEM WHILE IT'S BEEN NEGOTIATED AND READY TO DELIVER
13:03:14 SO THEY CAN GET ON WITH THEIR IN-SERVICE TRAINING AND HAVE
13:03:17 NO SETBACKS, NOT TO MENTION THIS IS A STATE REQUIREMENT,
13:03:20 THIS IS NOT JUST A TPD POLICY THAT THEY FOCUS THAT TRAINING
13:03:26 AT THE POLICE ACADEMY ON 34th STREET.
13:03:30 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY INQUIRE, COUNCILMAN CALSON, BUT IS
13:03:36 THERE SOME REASON?
13:03:37 BECAUSE AGAIN, I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
13:03:40 I'M JUST CURIOUS.
13:03:41 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE TIMING OF IT IS BAD.
13:03:45 THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING US -- ASKING TO US RELOOK AT ALL OF
13:03:50 THESE POLICIES AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A COUPLE WEEKS AT
13:03:53 LEAST TO REFLECT.
13:03:54 I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF DUGAN LAST NIGHT ABOUT
13:03:57 IT AND TRADED MESSAGES WITH CHIEF BENNETT.
13:04:01 I WISH CHIEF DUGAN WAS HERE.
13:04:04 BUT LAST NIGHT HE SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THE TWO-WEEK DELAY
13:04:07 WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD DELAY ANY PROCESSES.
13:04:11 I THINK ORIGINALLY, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT MAYBE A MONTH
13:04:15 DELAY BUT THE CONVERSATION I THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING IT A
13:04:18 TWO-WEEK DELAY.
13:04:19 IF YOU ALL WANT TO, JUST TO MY COLLEAGUES, IF YOU ALL WANT
13:04:23 TO NOT HAVE A TWO-WEEK DELAY, YOU CAN VOTE THAT DOWN AND
13:04:28 THEN I WILL JUST ASK TO HAVE IT PULLED OUT AND I'LL VOTE
13:04:31 AGAINST IT.
13:04:31 I DON'T WANT TO VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I KNOW WE NEED
13:04:34 SUPPLIES FOR THE POLICE.
13:04:35 BUT BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF DUGAN, IT DIDN'T
13:04:39 SEEM LIKE A TWO-WEEK DELAY WOULD BE IMPORTANT.
13:04:41 I THINK IT WOULD BE RESPECTFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW
13:04:45 IF WE DID THAT.
13:04:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:04:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW IN-SERVICE TRAINING IS VERY
13:04:51 IMPORTANT TO THE OFFICERS, ESPECIALLY TALKING ABOUT THEIR
13:04:54 WEAPONS AND THE AMMUNITION.
13:04:56 BUT I WOULD HAVE TO CONCUR WITH MR. CARLSON. WITH
13:05:01 EVERYTHING GOING ON RIGHT NOW, AND THE PULSE OF THE
13:05:04 COMMUNITY, JUST GOT THE BODY CAMERAS MOVING FORWARD.
13:05:07 I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HURT TOO BAD TO WAIT A COUPLE
13:05:12 WEEKS FOR THINGS TO CAM DOWN, BRING IT BACK.
13:05:14 I THINK IF WE MOVE THIS TODAY, I JUST THINK WE ARE GOING TO
13:05:18 HEAR A LOT IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWING WE ARE NO SITUATION
13:05:21 RIGHT NOW.
13:05:22 SO I CAN SUPPORT TWO WEEKS.
13:05:27 BUT I THINK JUST LOOKING AT THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY RIGHT
13:05:30 NOW.
13:05:30 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY.
13:05:34 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF DUGAN ON THIS AGAIN.
13:05:37 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A TWO-WEEK DELAY ON THIS, ET CETERA.
13:05:40 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON, IS THERE ANY
13:05:44 WAY YOU CAN CALL HIM?
13:05:48 >>JOHN BENNETT: I CAN MOVE HIM TO THE BACK OF STAFF REPORTS
13:05:50 IF YOU WOULD LIKE HIM TO COME BACK.
13:05:52 >>LUIS VIERA: WOULD THAT BE OKAY, COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
13:05:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO ON TO OTHER STUFF AND REVISIT THIS
13:06:00 IN A FEW MINUTES.
13:06:02 OKEY-DOKEY.
13:06:04 >> AND I WILL LET MS. CAROLE POST, OUR ADMINISTRATOR OVER AT
13:06:10 DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, COVER BOTH ITEM 36 AND
13:06:14 THE ONE TAMPA RELIEF PROGRAM, WHICH HAS A WALK-ON ITEM TO
13:06:18 INCREASE THE FUNDING.
13:06:20 AND I WILL LET HER EXPLAIN THE PARAMETERS OF THOSE
13:06:22 OPPORTUNITIES TO YOU.
13:06:24 AND I WILL REACH OUT TO CHIEF DUGAN IN THE MEANTIME.
13:06:33 >>CAROLE POST: GOOD AFTERNOON.
13:06:36 CAROLE POST, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
13:06:40 OPPORTUNITY.
13:06:40 THANK YOU FOR HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU ON
13:06:45 THE ONE TAMPA ITEM.
13:06:47 I'LL ADDRESS THAT ITEM FIRST AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF SAID, WE
13:06:51 HAD A WALK-ON ITEM.
13:06:53 I THINK ALL OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN
13:06:59 ATTEMPTING TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY RELIEF TO OUR COMMUNITY IN
13:07:03 THE WAKE OF -- THANK YOU -- IN THE WAKE OF THE COVID
13:07:09 EMERGENCY.
13:07:10 AND WE HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS TO PROVIDE THE MOST
13:07:16 ESSENTIAL AND BASIC NEEDS TO FILL GAPS THAT WE KNEW WERE
13:07:23 HITTING UPON OUR RESIDENTS.
13:07:25 AND IN SHORT ORDER, WE WERE ABLE TO PRODUCE THROUGH THE USE
13:07:31 OF OUR HUD FUNDS AND THE GENEROUS SUPPORT OF OUR CRA, CRA
13:07:36 FUNDS, THROUGH TO PROVIDE RENT ASSISTANCE AND UTILITY
13:07:43 ASSISTANCE TO INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS SMALL BUSINESSES IN
13:07:50 DESIGNATED GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS THAT WERE CONSTRAINED BY
13:07:54 THE USE OF RESTRICTED FUNDS.
13:07:56 AND IN DOING THAT, WE KNOW THAT WE HELPED MANY INDIVIDUALS
13:08:00 WHO WERE IN NEED, AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
13:08:03 WE HAVE HAD OUR INDIVIDUAL PROGRAM UNDERWAY FOR A MONTH NOW
13:08:07 WITH HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUALS HONOR HAVE HAD THEIR RENT PAID
13:08:11 AND UTILITIES REIMBURSED DIRECTLY TO THEM.
13:08:14 SIMILARLY, OUR BUSINESS RELIEF PROGRAM WAS LAUNCHED A FEW
13:08:18 WEEKS AGO AS MADE PROGRESS AND THE SECOND SERIES OF THAT
13:08:22 BUSINESS RELIEF PROGRAM WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY HAS
13:08:25 CONTINUED TO ADVANCE THAT CAUSE OF PROVIDING THE MOST
13:08:29 VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH
13:08:34 THE MOST ESSENTIAL NEEDS THAT THEY WOULD NEED.
13:08:37 WHAT WE FOUND, THOUGH, IS THAT WITHIN THOSE CONSTRAINED
13:08:40 GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS, WHICH AGAIN WERE DICTATED BY THE USE
13:08:44 OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAD, WE LEFT A SWATH OF THE CITY OUT IN
13:08:50 TERMS OF PROVIDING RELIEF OR BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN RELIEF.
13:08:55 IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM, THIS REQUEST IS OUR ABILITY TO MOVE
13:08:59 FORWARD FUNDS THAT DO NOT HAVE THOSE CONSTRAINTS, THEY ARE
13:09:02 UNRESTRICTED DOLLARS, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN LAUNCH A
13:09:06 CITY-WIDE RELIEF PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, AND WOULD
13:09:10 NOT BE RESTRICTED BY GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS, IT WOULD ALSO
13:09:14 NOT BE RESTRICTED TO BUSINESSES OF A CERTAIN SIZE OR WITH A
13:09:18 NUMBER OF CERTAIN NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, NOR WOULD THEY HAVE A
13:09:23 LIMITATION RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF YEARS IN SERVICE.
13:09:29 SPECIFICALLY SMALLER BUSINESSES THAT MAYBE STARTING UP ARE
13:09:32 IN JUST AS MUCH NEED AS MORE ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES. AGAIN,
13:09:35 THIS GIVES US SOME OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT
13:09:39 NATURE OF THESE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE WIDER LATITUDE.
13:09:43 SO THERE IS CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH IT TO ENSURE THAT THESE
13:09:48 ARE BUSINESSES THAT WERE IN FACT AFFECTED BY COVID, SO SOME
13:09:54 BUSINESSES ARE ACTUALLY THRIVING BECAUSE OF COVID, IT'S
13:09:57 CREATED WHOLE COTTAGE INDUSTRIES.
13:09:59 WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO HELP BUSINESSES THAT ARE STILL
13:10:01 PROSPERING, BUT FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN CRITICALLY IMPACTED
13:10:05 BECAUSE OF THE COVID OR BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNOR'S SHUTDOWN
13:10:09 REQUIREMENTS, THIS WOULD GIVE US SOME LATITUDE TO HAVE THE
13:10:13 RELIEF PROVIDED TO A WIDER SWATH OF BUSINESSES.
13:10:19 I SEE COUNCILMAN GUDES GRINNING.
13:10:27 WE HAVE EXPRESSED THIS FROM THE OUTSET THAT THE USE OF OUR
13:10:31 HUD MONEY AND OUR CRA MONEY BOTH CONSTRAINED US TO SOME
13:10:35 EXTENT.
13:10:35 THIS GIVES US MUCH MORE LATITUDE.
13:10:37 AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE US A MOWER -- A
13:10:42 LARGE EXPANSE OF RELIEF ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY.
13:10:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:10:49 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
13:10:50 NO?
13:10:51 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:10:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I ALWAYS SAY WHAT WE CAN'T DO, WHAT WE CAN
13:11:00 DO.
13:11:00 I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT GOING BACK.
13:11:04 HOWEVER, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
13:11:09 THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE NEED.
13:11:14 NEVER SAY WHAT WE CAN DO OAR WHAT WE CAN'T DO.
13:11:19 ALWAYS LOOK TO DO SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY.
13:11:23 TALK ABOUT EVERYONE TURNING.
13:11:24 AND FIND A WAY NOW TO -- WE CAN'T HELP EVERYBODY BUT GET AS
13:11:34 CLOSE AS WE CAN, SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
13:11:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:11:38 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:11:40 CHIEF BENNETT, I SEE CHIEF DUGAN HERE.
13:11:43 AND MR. SHELBY HAS A QUESTION.
13:11:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN.
13:11:46 WITH REGARD TO THIS ITEM, I BELIEVE THIS IS ITEM 10.
13:11:49 DID YOU WANT TO MOVE IT NOW?
13:11:54 WALK-ON.
13:11:57 IT'S A WALK-ON IN ADDITION TO ITEM 10.
13:12:00 IS IT A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION?
13:12:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND AMENDMENT.
13:12:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO HEAR
13:12:07 THAT?
13:12:08 >> MAY I MAKE ONE COMMENT?
13:12:16 OUR DESIRE TO BE MUCH MORE EXPANSIVE.
13:12:19 I JUST WANT TO CAUTION ON THE WORD OF HELPING EVERYONE, AND
13:12:21 THAT AGAIN IS A LIMITED SET OF FUNDS.
13:12:24 AND OUR DESIRE IS TO HELP AT LEAST 100 BUSINESSES IN EACH
13:12:30 COUNCIL DISTRICT SO THAT WE HAVE SOME EQUITY --
13:12:39 >> FIRST COME FIRST SERVED.
13:12:41 >>CAROLE POST: EXACTLY.
13:12:43 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY INCLUDE ASSISTANCE FOR
13:12:46 BUSINESSES AFFECTED BY --
13:12:50 >>CAROLE POST: IT HAS BEEN AFTER THE FACT BUT WE WOULD VERY
13:12:54 MUCH LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PACKAGE, IN THE PLAN.
13:12:59 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
13:13:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:13:01 MR. SHELBY, WHAT DO YOU SAY WE JUST MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
13:13:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
13:13:10 AS ITEM NUMBER 10 OR JUST WAIT TILL WE COME BACK.
13:13:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS A WALK-ON ITEM.
13:13:16 I WOULD SUGGEST MOVE THE WALK-ON.
13:13:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOVE ITEM 10 AS AMENDED, THE
13:13:22 ADDENDUM.
13:13:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
13:13:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, IF YOU CAN, I WANT TO CLARIFY,
13:13:28 THE CLERK HAS PREPARED ...
13:13:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS IS NOT A
13:13:42 SUBSTITUTE.
13:13:43 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, THE MEMO SLIGHTLY AMENDS THE
13:13:53 RESOLUTION YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU APPROPRIATING THE ENTIRETY OF
13:13:55 THE 8, 000,000 AS OPPOSED TO THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION WHICH
13:14:00 MERELY APPROPRIATED 400,000.
13:14:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE CAN JUST MOVE
13:14:05 ITEM 10, THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED.
13:14:10 OKAY.
13:14:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S MY MOTION.
13:14:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
13:14:13 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:14:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:14:16 ANY OPPOSED?
13:14:18 NO?
13:14:18 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:14:19 ANYTHING ELSE, MS. POST?
13:14:22 >>CAROLE POST: NOTHING FURTHER ON THAT MATTER.
13:14:24 WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ADDRESS THE LAST ITEM?
13:14:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE CHIEF DUGAN HERE FOR ITEM
13:14:29 NUMBER 3.
13:14:30 I KNOW HE'S VERY, VERY BUSY AND I WANTED TO GIVE HIM THE
13:14:33 OPPORTUNITY.
13:14:34 WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
13:14:35 CHIEF DUGAN, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ON ITEM NUMBER 3.
13:14:43 >>CHIEF DUGAN: CHIEF OF POLICE.
13:14:45 >>BILL CARLSON: THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA ASKED
13:14:50 WAS, WILL THIS CAUSE ANY DISRUPTION IN SERVICE?
13:14:55 MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, MY UNDERSTANDING
13:14:58 IN SPEAKING WITH YOU YESTERDAY WAS THAT A TWO-WEEK DELAY
13:15:01 WOULD NOT CAUSE ANY CHANGE IN THE SCHEDULE OF THE TRAINING.
13:15:07 YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE TIME THE DELAY AND
13:15:10 EVERYTHING AND IT SEEMED LIKE A TWO WEEK DELAY WOULDN'T
13:15:12 CAUSE ANY PROBLEM.
13:15:14 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I'M SORRY IF I WASN'T CLEAR.
13:15:18 I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T IF WE WOULDN'T GO THROUGH WITH
13:15:22 THIS PURCHASE WHAT WOULD CHANGE.
13:15:24 WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD
13:15:26 WITH THE PURCHASE?
13:15:27 >>BILL CARLSON: AS I SAID TO MY COLLEAGUES EARLIER, MY
13:15:33 REASON FOR TRYING TO POSTPONE IT IS THAT I THINK IT'S
13:15:35 DISRESPECTFUL WITH THE SITUATION IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW,
13:15:40 I THINK TWO WEEKS WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME TO REFLECT ON WHAT
13:15:42 THE COMMUNITY SAID.
13:15:44 AND I AM NOT AGAINST THIS FUNDING THIS AS IT STANDS RIGHT
13:15:47 NOW, BUT I THINK APPROVING ANY KIND OF BUDGET ITEM LIKE THIS
13:15:51 WOULD BE A BAD TIME TO DO IT AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO WAIT
13:15:53 TWO WEEKS.
13:15:57 IF IT WOULDN'T MATERIALLY AFFECT THE PROCESS OR TRAINING,
13:16:01 THEN IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD WAIT.
13:16:02 >>CHIEF DUGAN: THE ISSUE IS IF WE MOVE IT BACK AND YOU HAVE
13:16:08 ORDER TIMES, DELIVERY TIMES, AND WE ARE IN HURRICANE SEASON.
13:16:11 I THINK PEOPLE -- I AM AWARE OF THE OPTICS, WHEN YOU ARE
13:16:15 CHIEF OF POLICE.
13:16:15 I'M NOT A POLITICIAN BUT I DO I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WE
13:16:22 CARRY GUNS.
13:16:23 I JUST DON'T SEE THE VALUE IN IT.
13:16:25 I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD
13:16:28 BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TRAIN, AND THAT IS WHAT
13:16:32 EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IS HOW WE TRAIN, WHAT WE ARE
13:16:34 DOING.
13:16:35 SO I AM REQUESTING THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
13:16:38 I DON'T THINK THE DELAY IS NECESSARY.
13:16:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MY APOLOGIES BUT LOOKING AT
13:16:47 THE CALENDAR, YOUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE THE 25th OF
13:16:53 JULY WHICH IS ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE, THREE WEEKS.
13:16:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUNE.
13:16:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUNE 25th.
13:16:59 I'M SORRY.
13:16:59 THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS JUNE 25th.
13:17:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADAM CLERK?
13:17:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO THAT WOULD BE A THREE-WEEK CONTINUANCE.
13:17:07 I'M SORRY FOR THAT.
13:17:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WANTED TO SPEAK?
13:17:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, I KNOW TRAINING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
13:17:15 DO WE HAVE ENOUGH AMMO FOR TRAINING DURING THIS THREE-YEAR
13:17:21 PERIOD THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS ASKING?
13:17:25 >>CHIEF DUGAN: EVERY TWO WEEKS WE GET NEW DUTY AMMO WHICH
13:17:28 WE CARRY ON THE STREET.
13:17:30 WE HAVE CERTAIN AMMUNITION BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO TRAIN
13:17:35 WITH.
13:17:36 AND IF WE DELAY IT THREE MORE WEEKS THEN IT'S ANOTHER TWO
13:17:39 WEEKS FOR THE ORDER, THE SHIPPING, IF THERE'S A HURRICANE,
13:17:42 THAT MAY GET DELAYED.
13:17:44 I'M REQUESTING WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
13:17:46 I THINK PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT COPS CARRY
13:17:49 GUNS.
13:17:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
13:17:52 COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
13:17:53 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
13:17:59 THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO INQUIRE ON, WHICH IS I TOTALLY
13:18:03 UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING IN THAT REGARD.
13:18:06 BUT THIS IS SOMETHING FOR TRAINING, CORRECT?
13:18:09 FOR TRAINING.
13:18:11 I JUST DON'T SEE A RATIONAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DOING THIS
13:18:15 AND ANYTHING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
13:18:17 I MEAN, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
13:18:18 YOU TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
13:18:20 I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN OUT AT THE PROTESTS.
13:18:22 I HAVE BEEN OUT TALKING TO PEOPLE.
13:18:24 THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE DOING TO STAND IN SOLIDARITY WITH
13:18:27 THE COMMUNITY.
13:18:28 I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.
13:18:29 VERY, VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
13:18:31 I WAS OUT THERE ON SATURDAY.
13:18:33 I WAS OUT THERE ON SUNDAY.
13:18:34 I WAS OUT THERE ON MONDAY.
13:18:36 I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.
13:18:38 I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
13:18:40 I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THREE WEEKS DELAY.
13:18:44 OTHER THINGS COULD HAPPEN.
13:18:45 I RESPECTFULLY DON'T SEE IT MYSELF.
13:18:49 >>CHIEF DUGAN: THE OTHER ISSUE, WE JUST PASSED BODY WORN
13:18:52 CAMERAS.
13:18:53 WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT OUR GUNS TO MAKE SURE IT
13:18:57 DOESN'T GO OUT ON BLUETOOTH, DOES THE BLUETOOTH ACTIVATION
13:19:00 WHEN YOU DRAW YOUR GUN, IS IT GOING TO PROPERLY ACTIVATE THE
13:19:03 BODY WORN CAMERA?
13:19:08 I KNOW THE OPTICS ARE THERE.
13:19:10 WE HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION.
13:19:11 NOW EVERYONE SEES IT.
13:19:15 I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
13:19:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF DUGAN, WILL THIS INTERFERE WITH ANY
13:19:24 MANDATE SET DOWN BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS TO TRAINING?
13:19:27 WILL THIS DELAY CAUSE?
13:19:28 >>CHIEF DUGAN: YES, IT WILL.
13:19:30 THAT'S THE ISSUE.
13:19:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
13:19:33 >> HAVING SAID THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
13:19:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
13:19:37 IF WE CAN JUST ASK THE CLERK, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR
13:19:40 PRESENTLY?
13:19:41 >> THERE WAS A MOTION MADE ON THE PARTICULAR ITEM BUT I --
13:19:46 [OFF MICROPHONE.]
13:19:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, DO YOU STAND BY YOUR
13:19:51 ORIGINAL MOTION?
13:19:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOW THAT THE CHIEF IS SAYING IT'S GOING TO
13:19:56 UNIT FEAR WITH SOME OF THE STATE GUIDELINES FOR OFFICERS
13:19:59 GETTING SERVICE TRAINING, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD
13:20:02 RATHER MOVE FORWARD WITH THE VOTE AT THIS TIME.
13:20:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THERE IS NO MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT.
13:20:11 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION JUST TO PULL
13:20:16 IT OUT OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
13:20:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INDIVIDUAL
13:20:20 VOTE THAT WE ARE TAKING OH NOW.
13:20:21 ALL RIGHT.
13:20:22 ALL IN FAVOR -- WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 3?
13:20:26 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU WANT A ROLL CALL VOTE?
13:20:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT IS ON MY COMMITTEE SO I WILL MOVE ITEM
13:20:36 NUMBER 3.
13:20:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
13:20:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION MADE BY CITRO.
13:20:42 ROLL CALL VOTE.
13:20:43 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:20:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:20:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:20:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:20:48 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
13:20:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:20:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:20:54 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
13:20:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF.
13:20:59 MS. POST?
13:21:01 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO REMIND YOU AND ALL THE OTHER
13:21:04 OFFICERS, I SUPPORT TRAINING OBVIOUSLY AND I SUPPORT HAVING
13:21:07 THE TOOLS AND SUPPLIES FOR TRAINING.
13:21:09 THE ONLY REASON I VOTED AGAINST IT IS FOR THE TIMING OF IT.
13:21:12 AND I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUES' DECISIONS.
13:21:16 THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AND ANSWERING THE QUESTION FOR US.
13:21:19 >>CAROLE POST: GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.
13:21:21 >> THANK YOU, CHIEF.
13:21:25 >>CAROLE POST: CAROLE POST, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT
13:21:27 AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
13:21:30 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM.
13:21:33 WE SELECTED A VERY IMPORTANT ITEM WHEN THE MOTION WAS MADE.
13:21:39 THANK YOU.
13:21:39 WHEN THE MOTION WAS MADE A FEW WEEKS AGO.
13:21:41 AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO ADDRESS
13:21:44 IT.
13:21:46 AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS JUST TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO
13:21:49 PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR OUR RESPONSE.
13:21:53 AND THIS REFLECTS CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE HAD WITH
13:21:58 COUNCILMAN CARLSON WHO MADE THE MOTION.
13:22:01 AND I HOPE --
13:22:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE WE ON 36?
13:22:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE ARE BACK TO IT.
13:22:09 >>CAROLE POST: I THINK IT REFLECTS OUR DESIRE TO WORK
13:22:14 TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE COMMON GOALS.
13:22:16 AND AS WE HAVE HEARD TODAY, THERE ARE MANY VOICES THAT WANT
13:22:23 TO BE HEARD AND NEED TO BE HEARD.
13:22:24 AND WHAT WE'LL PROPOSE IS AN APPROACH THAT I HOPE WILL GIVE
13:22:29 A FLOOR TO THOSE VOICES.
13:22:31 I WOULD LIKE TO USE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE THIS
13:22:33 COUNCIL ON THE NUMBER OF INITIATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERWAY
13:22:36 NORTH PAST YEAR THAT WE THINK COALESCE WITH AT LEAST WATCH
13:22:41 WE INTERPRETED WAS THE DESIRES OF THE MOTION.
13:22:44 I WOULD LIKE TO READ A SUMMARY RESPONSE.
13:22:48 WHEN THE MOTION WAS MADE, WE WERE A LITTLE SURPRISED TO HEAR
13:22:52 IT BUT WE WERE ENCOURAGED BY THE UNDERLYING GOALS.
13:22:56 SPECIFICALLY THE GOALS TO INCREASE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND
13:22:59 DIVERSITY, TO REDUCE POVERTY, TO IMPROVE THE MEDIAN
13:23:02 HOUSEHOLD INCOME, AND WORK TO END GENDER AND RACIAL INCOME
13:23:07 DISPARITY.
13:23:08 THESE GOALS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY DOVETAIL WITH THE MAYOR'S
13:23:13 TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW OR T-3 INITIATIVES.
13:23:16 WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON THIS FOR THE PAST YEAR.
13:23:18 THE GOALS IN THE MOTION ARE ACTUALLY EMBEDDED IN THE T-3
13:23:22 RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH CAME AS A RESULT OF FOUR WORK GROUPS
13:23:26 MEETING OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR MONTHS IN 2019 WITH MORE
13:23:30 THAN 65 INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATING AS TEAM MEMBERS.
13:23:34 THE T-3 VISION WAS ANNOUNCED JUST TWO WEEKS AFTER THE MAYOR
13:23:39 TOOK OFFICE IN MAY OF 2019 AND SET FORTH A SET OF STRATEGIC
13:23:43 PRIORITIES FOCUSED ON TRANSPORTATION, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES,
13:23:47 WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, SUSTAINABILITY
13:23:51 AND RESILIENCE.
13:23:54 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEFLY REFLECT ON
13:23:57 THAT VISION.
13:23:58 IT BEGAN LAST JUNE WITH THE LAUNCH OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND
13:24:01 THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WORK TEAMS.
13:24:03 IT WAS FOLLOWED SHORTLY AFTER BY THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
13:24:06 TEAM IN JULY OF 19 AND THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY TEAM IN
13:24:11 EARLY OCTOBER.
13:24:12 EACH OF THOSE ITEMS WAS CONVENED WITH A DIVERSE GROUP OF
13:24:15 STAKEHOLDERS WHO EACH HAD A DEMONSTRATED EXPERTISE AND
13:24:19 INTEREST IN THE SUBJECT AREA.
13:24:20 EACH GROUP MET FOR 90 DAYS WITH INITIATIVES AS MEASURABLE
13:24:29 TARGETS.
13:24:29 THE ADVISORY TEAM HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM ACADEMIC, TRADES,
13:24:35 ADVOCACY GROUPS, LABOR, EDUCATORS, SMALL BUSINESSES, LARGE
13:24:39 BUSINESSES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS, SOCIAL
13:24:42 SERVICE ORGANIZATIONS, AND GENDER AND RACIAL EQUITY
13:24:45 ADVOCATES.
13:24:46 EVERY MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN THE SUNSHINE WITH PUBLIC
13:24:49 COMMENT WELCOMED EACH TIME, AND AN ONLINE FORUM WAS SET UP
13:24:53 FOR CONTINUOUS FEED BACK.
13:24:54 IN FACT, A COUPLE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE
13:24:58 PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THOSE ADVISORY TEAM MEETINGS, AND I
13:25:01 THINK THAT INPUT WAS REALLY VALUABLE.
13:25:03 EVERY ASPECT OF THE SESSIONS WERE TRANSPARENT AND
13:25:06 ACCESSIBLE.
13:25:07 ALL MEETING MINUTES AND INFORMATION ARE NOW CATALOGUED AS
13:25:10 PART OF THE T-3 WEBSITE INCLUDING THE FINAL REPORTS AND THE
13:25:13 RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
13:25:16 THE WORK TO CARRY OUT THE ADVISORY TEAM RECOMMENDATION IS
13:25:20 NOW UNDERWAY.
13:25:22 TRANSPORTATION AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WERE FINALIZED IN
13:25:25 NOVEMBER, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY WAS PUBLISHED IN
13:25:29 MID-FEBRUARY AND THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT REPORT HAD BEEN
13:25:32 SCHEDULED TO BE PRODUCED IN EARLY APRIL.
13:25:35 UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS TEMPORARILY SIDE LINED BY THE COVID-19
13:25:39 PRIORITIES.
13:25:40 HOWEVER, ON JUST THIS TUESDAY, WE PUBLISHED THE WORKFORCE
13:25:43 REPORT COMPLETING THE PLAN THAT WAS LAID OUT ONE YEAR AGO
13:25:47 FOR THESE FOUR WORK TEAMS.
13:25:50 THE INDIVIDUAL TEAM MEMBERS AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
13:25:53 WHO HO PARTICIPATED INVESTED A LOT OF THEIR TIME TO WEIGH IN
13:25:57 ON THE ISSUES, THE DISCUSSIONS, THE REVIEW OF THE DATA AND
13:26:00 THE ASSESSMENTS THAT WERE DONE.
13:26:02 ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WITH THE MOTION IS WHY WE WOULD WANT TO
13:26:05 DO THAT AGAIN, PARTICULARLY AT A TIME WHEN THE ENTIRE
13:26:09 COMMUNITY IS CONSTRAINED BY SO MANY IMMEDIATE CHALLENGES.
13:26:15 SO OUR FIRST THOUGHT IS WE WOULD LIKE TO STAY ON TRACK WITH
13:26:18 WHAT'S BEEN STARTED AND RATHER THAN START SOMETHING NEW, WE
13:26:21 WOULD LIKE TO JOIN EFFORTS, WE WOULD LIKE TO MERGE OUR
13:26:26 CONCEPTS, MERGE OUR IDEAS WHICH I BELIEVE ARE CONSISTENT,
13:26:29 AND BUILD MOMENTUM ON THE CURRENT ACTIVITIES RATHER THAN
13:26:35 POSSIBLY DILUTE THEM BY HAVING SEPARATE PATHS.
13:26:38 TO ACHIEVE THIS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND USING A FIFTH ADVISORY
13:26:43 TEAM TO BRING OUR OBJECTIVES TOGETHER, AND THIS FIFTH AND
13:26:46 FINAL ADVISORY TEAM, THE SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE TEAM
13:26:50 WHICH YOU HEARD WHIT SPEAK ABOUT, BEGAN IN DECEMBER. THAT'S
13:26:54 WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL INITIALLY A RAH APPROVED A CONTRACT
13:26:58 WITH THE SERVICES WITH THE CATALYST GROUP, THE ROCKEFELLER
13:27:03 GROUP THAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO. IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED TO
13:27:06 FOLLOW CATALYST PLAYBOOK FOR THIS SUBJECT AREA.
13:27:09 THE REFERENCE TO RESILIENCE IS A PLATFORM THAT TIES THE
13:27:15 THREADS OF THE FOUR OTHER ADVISORY TEAMS TOGETHER.
13:27:19 AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH EACH OF THE ADVISORY TEAMS,
13:27:22 AND IT'S BEEN INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PLAN IN EACH OF THOSE
13:27:25 TEAMS' FINAL REPORTS.
13:27:26 THEY KNEW NOT WITHSTANDING THAT WE CONSOLIDATE FINAL REPORT.
13:27:30 IT REALLY WAS A CHAPTER OF A BOOK THAT WILL BE PUT TOGETHER
13:27:33 UNDER THE RUBRIC OF THE SUSTAINABILITIES AND RESILIENCE
13:27:39 COVER.
13:27:39 SO BECAUSE OF THAT, IT WILL ENDURE THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER
13:27:49 OF THE MAYOR'S TERM.
13:27:50 AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT RESILIENCE IS
13:27:54 NOT JUST ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND ITS EFFECTS, IT'S ABOUT
13:27:57 HOW THE CITY DRIVES SESSION EQUITY ACROSS THIS ENTIRE
13:28:00 COMMUNITY AND HOW IT POSITIONS ITSELF TO EFFECTIVELY ADAPT
13:28:04 TO CHALLENGES ACROSS SOCIAL, ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL
13:28:06 ISSUES.
13:28:08 WHIT REFERRED TO THIS ALREADY ABOUT THAT VERY WIDE SWATH
13:28:12 THAT IS CONTEMPLATED UNDER THE SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY
13:28:18 OVERHAUL.
13:28:20 SO THIS IS WHY WE BELIEVE THAT THAT EFFORT ALIGNS WITH THE
13:28:26 GOALS OF THE MOTION, AND MY SEPARATE COMMITTEE OR TASK FORCE
13:28:31 COULD BE DUPLICATIVE.
13:28:33 WE BELIEVE THAT THE COMBINED EFFECT OF THE FOUR SUBJECT
13:28:36 MATTER ADVISORY TEAMS CONNECTED BY THE MORTAR AS I HAVE BEEN
13:28:39 KNOWN TO CALL IT AS THE RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY TEAM
13:28:43 WILL RESULT IN A COLLECTIVE TO ADDRESS GAPS IN OUR COMMUNITY
13:28:47 INCLUDING JOB CREATION, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, GENDER AND
13:28:50 RACIAL DISPARITY, IN EMPLOYMENT AND HOUSING AND OTHER
13:28:54 SOCIOECONOMIC RELATED CHALLENGES.
13:28:56 ALL OF WHICH ARE IMPORTANT BUILDING BLOCKS OF ECONOMIC
13:28:59 DEVELOPMENT AND EACH OF WHICH WILL BE A CRITICAL PART OF
13:29:03 THIS EFFORT.
13:29:05 AN ADDITIONAL OUTCOME OF THE EFFORT WILL BE METRICS THAT
13:29:07 EFFECTIVELY CAPTURE KEY SOCIAL EQUITY MEASURES, THE CITY
13:29:11 CURRENTLY PUBLISHES A PERFORMANCE DASHBOARD THAT WAS
13:29:14 DEVELOPED, AND WE WILL USE THAT AS A FOUNDATION TO BUILD AND
13:29:18 REFINE OHIO WE MEASURE OUR PERFORMANCE AND OUR PROGRESS IN
13:29:21 MEETING THESE OBJECTIVES.
13:29:23 AND LASTLY, AS WE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT THE ADVISORY
13:29:26 TEAMWORK, WE WILL RELY UPON EXISTING DATA TOP GUIDE OUR JUT
13:29:30 PUT.
13:29:30 FOR EXAMPLE, THE BENCHMARKING DATA THAT WAS RECENTLY
13:29:34 ESTABLISHED BY THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP WAS A CRITICAL PART
13:29:37 OF THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY TEAM'S ASSESSMENT.
13:29:41 WE KNOW THAT HAVING A CLEAR SENSE OF WHERE OUR GAPS ARE IS
13:29:45 THE ONLY WAY TO EFFECTIVELY WORK TO FILL THOSE GAPS.
13:29:48 SO TO CONCLUDE, WE WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND BY MAKING THREE
13:29:52 RECOMMENDATIONS.
13:29:53 FIRST, I THINK, IS THAT WE ALL AGREE ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
13:29:59 WE JUST DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT WE NEED A NEW COMMITTEE
13:30:02 TO DO IT.
13:30:07 WE RECOMMEND THAT WE MERGE OUR IDEAS AND OBJECTIVES INTO THE
13:30:11 SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY GROUP AND EMPHASIZE THE
13:30:15 CONCEPTS SET FORTH IN THE MOTION.
13:30:16 SECOND, WE WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT CITY COUNCIL IS AN IMPORTANT
13:30:20 PARTNER IN THESE EFFORTS AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS THE
13:30:22 SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE EFFORT IS LAUNCHED BY THE
13:30:25 CATALYST GROUP THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINT A COUNCIL
13:30:28 MEMBER OR REPRESENTATIVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
13:30:32 FINALLY, AS PERFORMANCE MEASURES START TO COME ONLINE THAT
13:30:37 WE WOULD BRING THOSE MEASURES BACK TO PREVIEW WITH THE CITY
13:30:43 COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE INPUT.
13:30:45 A YEAR AGO THE ADMINISTRATION SET THIS GOAL AS A T-3 EFFORT.
13:30:52 UNKNOWN TO ANY OF US AT THE TIME THAT WE WOULD BE FACING
13:30:55 WITH THESE CURRENT UNPRECEDENTED MATTERS.
13:30:57 THE IMMEDIATE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY
13:31:01 WITH RESPECT TO CORONAVIRUS HAVE BEEN A PREVAILING CONCERN,
13:31:05 AND FOLLOWED QUICKLY BY THE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE SAFER AT
13:31:09 HOME POLICY, TO RUN AN ADAPTIVE AND QUASI-VIRTUAL GOVERNMENT
13:31:14 OPERATION, THE NEED FOR THE BUSINESS RELIEF EFFORTS THAT WE
13:31:16 HAVE HAD UNDERWAY, THE NEED TO INITIATE SAFE AND MEASURED
13:31:20 REOPENING THAT WE HAVE HAD UNDERWAY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES,
13:31:25 AND LOOKING AHEAD THE NEED TO WORKING WITH THE COUNTY
13:31:28 RELATED TO THE RECENTLY APPOINTED JOINT CITY COUNTY
13:31:32 RECOMMENDATIONS.
13:31:32 WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK AHEAD OF US TO JUST GET BACK TO
13:31:36 WHERE WE WERE IN EARLY MARCH.
13:31:39 BUT RIGHT NOW WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE LASER FOCUSED ON
13:31:43 OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS WHILE WE REMAIN BALANCED ON RETURNING TO
13:31:47 OUR CORE MISSION, AND WE BELIEVE THAT OUR APPROACH THAT'S
13:31:50 RECOMMENDED TODAY WILL DO THAT, AND THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE
13:31:56 GOALS AND ALLOW US TO STAY ON TRACK.
13:32:00 WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR RESPONSE.
13:32:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:32:04 ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN RESPONSE?
13:32:06 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
13:32:07 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD FOR A MINUTE, WHAT HAPPENS WITH
13:32:12 THE MOTION.
13:32:13 THE MOTION WAS MADE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WITHIN A COUPLE OF
13:32:16 DAYS MS. POST AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, AND SHE
13:32:20 RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE PROCESS.
13:32:24 YOU REMEMBER ORIGINALLY, IT'S AN ECONOMIC ADVISORY
13:32:29 COMMITTEE, NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT
13:32:33 WILL CONTINUE ON UNTIL WE STOPPED IT.
13:32:36 SO THE IDEA IS WE WOULD GET REGULAR UPDATES FROM THIS GROUP.
13:32:39 AND SHE ASKED ME TO REDUCE THE TERM OF IT SO I PROPOSED, HOW
13:32:44 ABOUT FOUR TO SIX MEETINGS?
13:32:46 AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT, AND I OUTLINED A PROCESS, AT
13:32:50 THE END OF IT THE COMMITTEE WOULD GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THE
13:32:54 ECONOMY AND WHAT INPUTS WE CAN HAVE TO THE ECONOMY.
13:32:58 I DID THAT, AND THEN THE CERTIFICATED THING THAT SHE
13:33:03 REQUESTED WAS THAT SHE SAID STAFF IS KIND OF TIGHT AS A
13:33:05 CITY, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO -- WE REALLY CAN'T HANDLE THE
13:33:09 PROCESS RIGHT NOW WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON.
13:33:11 I SAID HOW ABOUT IF WE FIND A THIRD PARTIES THAT WILL
13:33:13 PARTNER WITH US?
13:33:14 SO I CALLED SEVERAL THIRD PARTIES, AND I HAVE AT LEAST ONE
13:33:19 OFFER FROM ONE ORGANIZATION, PROBABLY A COUPLE OTHER OPTIONS
13:33:22 OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PARTNER WITH, AND
13:33:26 I WAS RIGHT AT THE END OF GETTING READY TO OFFICIALLY
13:33:29 REQUEST THAT WE GET SOME KIND OF PROPOSED PROPOSAL TO WORK
13:33:35 TOGETHER, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE.
13:33:37 AND THEN I WAS REQUESTED TO BE AT A MEETING AT 4:30 LAST
13:33:43 NIGHT BY PHONE, AND IN THE 4:30 MEETING, I HEARD WHAT YOU
13:33:48 ALL JUST HEARD.
13:33:49 IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ITEM, WHICH IS
13:33:55 ONLINE STILL THIS MORNING, I PRINTED THIS OUT THIS MORNING,
13:33:57 IT HAS THE STAFF REPORT, AND IT HAS THE OUTLINE OF THE
13:34:01 MOTION, AND IT SAYS RECOMMENDATION.
13:34:04 AND PRESUMABLY, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE STAFF
13:34:09 RECOMMENDATION UNDERNEATH IT SAYS ESTABLISH AN ECONOMIC
13:34:12 ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
13:34:14 I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE UNTIL LAST NIGHT. I
13:34:17 DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
13:34:18 ONE THING THAT DID HAPPEN IS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT IN
13:34:21 FORCE OVER THE LAST WEEK AND TOLD US IN VERY STRONG WAYS
13:34:25 THAT WE HAVE TO BRING EQUITY TO THE COMMUNITY.
13:34:28 AND IN ANY PROCESS THAT WE HAVE, I'M A JUNKIE OF READING
13:34:33 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
13:34:33 SO I READ ALL THE T-3 STUFF, AND IN THE PROCESS WE HAVE, WE
13:34:40 CAN NEVER POSSIBLY HEAR ALL THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY, SO
13:34:43 THE MORE INPUT WE GET THE BETTER BECAUSE IT SHOWINGS WE ARE
13:34:46 HAVING A BETTER DIALOGUE AND MORE CONNECTION WITH THE
13:34:48 COMMUNITY.
13:34:48 SO IN THIS CASE, WE ARE OFFERING MORE DIALOGUE, MORE INPUT,
13:34:51 MORE PEOPLE TO HAVE SEATS AT THE TABLE, DIVERSITY, AND WE
13:34:56 SHORTENED -- ARE SHORTENING THE TIME OF IT AND TO HAVE AN
13:35:01 OUTSIDE GROUP RENT IT AND IT WOULDN'T COST US ANYTHING.
13:35:05 SO I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BURDEN TO THE CITY WOULD BE.
13:35:08 BUT CONTRAST THAT WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY,
13:35:10 IF YOU LOOK AT TAMPA'S SCORECARD, TAMPA DIDN'T DO WELL AT
13:35:14 ALL ECONOMICALLY.
13:35:16 WE ARE THE LAGGARD IN THE REGION.
13:35:17 WE ARE A LAGGARD IN THE STATE ECONOMICALLY.
13:35:20 AND IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT, WE NEED TO CREATE A NEW
13:35:23 ECONOMIC PLAN.
13:35:27 SUSTAINABILITY, AFTER I GOT OFF THE PHONE LAST NIGHT I
13:35:31 CALLED A BUNCH OF MY FRIENDS AND MENTORS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN
13:35:34 SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE AND NONE OF THEM THOUGHT THAT
13:35:38 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WAS SYNONYMOUS WITH THOSE TWO.
13:35:40 THEY WORK TOGETHER BUT THEY ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS AND ONE
13:35:42 DOESN'T REPLACE THE OTHER.
13:35:44 AND ALL OF THE OTHER T-3 COMMITTEES ARE ADDITIONAL INPUT AND
13:35:49 INFORMATION THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THIS COMMITTEE.
13:35:52 SO HERE IS THE THING THAT THE COMMITTEE LINED UP THIS
13:35:55 MORNING TALKING ABOUT EQUITY, PEOPLE ARE MARCHING IN THE
13:35:59 STREETS DEMANDING EQUITY, AND WE HAVE GOT A SOLUTION TO MOVE
13:36:04 THIS FORWARD.
13:36:05 I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A COMMITTEE LIKE
13:36:09 THIS.
13:36:09 AND I CAN MAKE A MOTION NOW OR LATER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
13:36:13 ASK FOR SUPPORT TO ASK STAFF TO FINISH THE JOB OF WORKING TO
13:36:18 PUT THIS TOGETHER.
13:36:19 THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO DO IS SAY YES, AND THEN IT SOUND
13:36:22 LIKE VOLUNTEERS ARE GOING TO PUT IT TOGETHER FOR US.
13:36:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO FROM HEARING FROM MS. POST AND HEARING
13:36:32 FROM MR. CARLSON, I GUESS I CIRCLED THE KEY THING FROM MS.
13:36:37 POST WAS THE STAFF.
13:36:40 I HEAR FROM MR. CARLSON SAYING AN OUTSIDE SOURCE WOULD DO
13:36:44 THIS AT NO COST.
13:36:45 SO I AM TRYING TO FEW FUSE THE TWO TOGETHER, STAFF ISSUE, WE
13:36:53 DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STAFF, IF AN OUTSIDE SOURCE WOULD
13:36:56 DO THAT THERE'S NO COST.
13:36:58 SO I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IF STAFF IS
13:37:01 NOT AN ISSUE.
13:37:03 BECAUSE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM STAFF.
13:37:07 >>CAROLE POST: I DON'T THINK STAFF IS THE PRIMARY ISSUE.
13:37:12 I THINK THE CONCERN WAS MORE OF TAKING THE PROCESS THAT WE
13:37:16 HAVE HAD UNDERWAY AND UNIFYING THIS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF
13:37:21 THE SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY, AND IN TERMS OF SAYING
13:37:27 SUSTAINMENT AND RESILIENCE AND OHIO THEY CONNECT TO ECONOMIC
13:37:32 DEVELOPMENT, IF THEY ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS, BUT THEY DO WORK
13:37:37 TOGETHER, THEY DO TIE INTO EACH OTHER.
13:37:39 SO HAVING A SEPARATE WORK STREAM THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY
13:37:43 CONNECTED TO THE WORK STREAM THAT WE ARE ALREADY PLANNING TO
13:37:47 DO, JUST PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE TO DIVERGE.
13:37:53 WE WOULD RATHER UNIFY.
13:37:55 AND THAT WAS IN THE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WITH
13:37:58 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IS COMPLETE SUPPORT FOR THE CONCEPT, AND
13:38:04 SUPPORT FOR THE INTENDED GOALS.
13:38:06 WE JUST WANTED TO WORK IN A WAY THAT BROUGHT ALL OF OUR
13:38:10 EFFORTS TOGETHER AND HOW TO EXECUTE THAT, AND BRING ALL OF
13:38:14 THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT RATHER THAN
13:38:20 HAVE THEM BE ON SEPARATE GROUPS ON SEPARATION CONVERSATIONS
13:38:23 BRINGING THOSE TOGETHER, HAVING THE COMMUNITY CHARRETTES,
13:38:27 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITIES, THE ROAD MAP FOR THAT IS ONE OF
13:38:31 INCLUSIVENESS, AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY OUR END GAME.
13:38:34 SO WE WILL BE WORKING HARD TO GET THAT DONE.
13:38:37 IT ISN'T NECESSARILY A STAFF CONSTRAINT.
13:38:40 IT WAS ONE ITEM OF OUR DISCUSSION.
13:38:42 BUT IT WAS MORE ABOUT MARRYING THE TWO CONCEPTS RATHER THAN
13:38:45 HAVING THEM BE DIVERGENT.
13:38:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I READ THE ARTICLE IN REFERENCE TO, AGAIN,
13:38:55 WITH STAFF.
13:38:58 IF I READ THE ARTICLE CORRECTLY, SHE STILL STATED
13:39:03 DUPLICATING BECAUSE DUPLICATING STAFF AND WORK.
13:39:05 I STILL HEAR THE WORD STAFF.
13:39:07 SO I AM TRYING TO SEE HOW TO FUSE THIS ALL TOGETHER.
13:39:10 AND YOU SAID UNITED FRONT, THIS IDEA OF EXPERTISE OR THE
13:39:16 ECONOMIC BASIS, BUT IF WE CAN STILL FILTER INFORMATION TO
13:39:22 YOUR GROUP OR WHAT HAVE YOU, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS ALL WORK?
13:39:25 I AM JUST TRYING TO BE ABLE TO HELP MY COLLEAGUE A LITTLE
13:39:28 BIT, BY THE SAME TOKEN LISTENING TO WHAT WE HAVE AND IF
13:39:32 THERE'S A BOND SOMEWHERE.
13:39:33 I AM WONDER GOING IT MAY BE TABLED FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
13:39:36 OUR COLLEAGUE, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT FUSING THIS TOGETHER
13:39:41 PERHAPS.
13:39:42 ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?
13:39:45 >>CAROLE POST: WELL, IT WAS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION
13:39:47 YESTERDAY.
13:39:48 WE VERY MUCH WOULD LIKE TO FUSE THE CONCEPTS TOGETHER.
13:39:51 THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM PROPOSING, IS TO FUSE THE CONCEPT
13:39:55 THAT HE HAS SET FORTH, THAT WE AGREE WITH, INTO OUR
13:39:59 FORTHCOMING ADVISORY TEAM WHICH WILL HAVE A MULTITUDE OF
13:40:03 SUBSECTIONS AND COMMITTEES.
13:40:06 WE BELIEVE WOULD GARNER THE FEEDBACK --
13:40:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR GROUP ALREADY
13:40:14 WORKING.
13:40:15 I THINK HE'S TRYING TO SAY HE WANTS OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT
13:40:18 MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE, THAT HE WAS ASKING TO BE APPOINTED TO
13:40:21 YOUR DIFFERENT GROUPS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT HE'S ASKING THE
13:40:25 WORK TO BE DONE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND MOVING DOWN
13:40:27 THE SAME ROAD VERSUS ANOTHER ROAD THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
13:40:30 MIGHT WANTS TO GO BUT YOU HAVE GOT THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE
13:40:33 APPOINT TO BE PART OF THE UNIFICATION AND MAKE SURE THOSE
13:40:36 IDEAS ARE CLICKING WITH EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL.
13:40:39 >>CAROLE POST: UNDERSTOOD.
13:40:40 OUR GROUPS AREN'T SET UP YET.
13:40:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT RIGHT, MR. CARLSON?
13:40:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, THEN VIERA,
13:40:53 THEN DINGFELDER.
13:40:54 >>BILL CARLSON: BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT MY COMMITTEE.
13:40:58 IT'S CITY COUNCIL'S COMMITTEE OR THE CITY.
13:41:02 AND OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE SOME STAFF TIME IN COORDINATING
13:41:06 WITH THEM, BUT WOULD BE RUN OUTSIDE.
13:41:08 BUT THE BIG QUESTION, THE BIG THING HERE IS, DOESN'T THE
13:41:11 ECONOMY DESERVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF ITS OWN?
13:41:16 WE HAD A FOUR-HOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT BAYSHORE.
13:41:20 AND AS I SAID LAST NIGHT, MS. POST, WHO I HAVE UTMOST
13:41:26 RESPECT FOR, AND THE BAYSHORE FEEDBACK WE GOT SOME PEOPLE
13:41:29 WHO WANT TO CLOSE DOWN BAYSHORE COMPLETELY EVERY DAY AND WE
13:41:32 GOT SOME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND RAISE THE
13:41:35 SPEED LIMIT AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
13:41:37 SO GETTING MORE PUBLIC INPUT IS GREAT.
13:41:41 EVENTUALLY ON BAYSHORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, STAFF AND
13:41:45 CITY STAFF NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT BUT WE HAVE TO HEAR
13:41:48 ALL THE INPUT.
13:41:49 WHAT'S THE HARM OF HEARING MORE INPUT?
13:41:51 AND DOESN'T THE ECONOMY DESERVE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE OF ITS
13:41:54 OWN?
13:41:55 DON'T DOESN'T THE ECONOMY DESERVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION?
13:42:00 IF TAMPA WAS THE BIG SUCCESS STORY ECONOMICALLY, YOU CAN
13:42:03 LOOK AT ANY OF THE NUMBERS AND SEE THAT IT WASN'T.
13:42:05 IF TAMPA WAS THE BIG ECONOMIC SUCCESS STORY, THE NEXT THING
13:42:10 WE NEED TO LOOK ON IS RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY AND
13:42:13 TRANS-- ALL THOSE THINGS ARE INPUTS TO THE ECONOMY AND THEY
13:42:16 ARE RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT THERE'S NO T-4.
13:42:19 THERE'S NOT AN ECONOMIC THING.
13:42:21 YOU SAY, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO ADD A FOURTH ONE, GREAT.
13:42:25 THAT MAKING UP ALLITERATIONS, SORRY.
13:42:28 BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN.
13:42:31 LAST NIGHT, I WAS JUST EXPLORING OPTION ITSELF.
13:42:35 I THREW OUT, WHAT IF YOU RENAMED YOUR COMMITTEE
13:42:39 SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCE AND ECONOMY OR ECONOMIC
13:42:42 DEVELOPMENT?
13:42:42 AND SET UP AN ECONOMIC SUBCOMMITTEE OF IT BECAUSE THAT
13:42:46 ESSENTIALLY WOULD DO THE SAME THING.
13:42:49 AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
13:42:50 SO IF THE ECONOMIC DOES NOT HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN A
13:42:53 COMMITTEE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE RELEGATED TO SOMETHING
13:42:55 VERY SMALL, AND THERE ARE OTHER BIG ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE
13:42:58 TALKED ABOUT IN RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY THAT ARE NOT
13:43:01 CONNECTED TO THE ECONOMY.
13:43:02 AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ANY OF US ARE
13:43:08 SITTING HERE IN SEVEN YEARS THAT WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD
13:43:11 TO MAKE SURE THE ECONOMY IS SUCCESSFUL, AND THE DIVERSITY,
13:43:15 ALL THOSE THINGS SHE LISTED, THE HOME OWNERSHIP RATE,
13:43:19 POVERTY RATE, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BUT
13:43:23 WE DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAGGARD IN THE REGION ANYMORE.
13:43:26 IF WE DON'T SET UP A COMMITTEE FOR SIX MEETINGS I DON'T
13:43:29 THINK WE ARE DOING OUR JOB DO TRY TO BOOST THE ECONOMY IN
13:43:32 EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN.
13:43:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:43:34 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
13:43:36 >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I KEEP THINKING IS IF THERE CAN'T BE ANY
13:43:42 COMMON GROUND.
13:43:44 AS A PROFESSIONAL COURTESY TO OUR COLLEAGUE MR. CARLSON, WHO
13:43:49 IS VERY PASSION AT ABOUT THIS, COULD WE DO SOME SORT OF
13:43:53 INTERNAL ADVISORY GROUP?
13:43:54 WE HAVE THE ADVISORY BOARD.
13:43:56 MR. CHAIRMAN TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS A
13:43:58 GREAT IDEA, A TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW,
13:44:01 SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT COULD BE TIME-LIMITED TO
13:44:04 ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS BROUGHT UP.
13:44:09 AGAIN I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE, AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS
13:44:11 TAKING THAT POSITION.
13:44:15 YOU ARE 234 A RELATIONSHIP WITH SON, SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANTS
13:44:18 TO BE THERE, THEN THAT COULD BE A GOOD BAD RELATIONSHIP.
13:44:21 BUT IF THAT'S GOING TO BE A BURDEN MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING
13:44:24 THAT'S INTERNAL.
13:44:24 AGAIN I WANT TO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SO THAT WE CAN
13:44:29 MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING DONE INTERNALLY FOR
13:44:33 CITY COUNCIL THAT IS NOT UNLIKE THE BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD.
13:44:38 INTERNAL COMPROMISE.
13:44:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:44:39 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
13:44:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU CAN TELL THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA AND I
13:44:47 SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN MEDIATION.
13:44:50 TOO MUCH.
13:44:51 >>LUIS VIERA: A LOT OF NONBILLABLE HOURS.
13:44:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TRAINED IN
13:44:59 MEDIATION.
13:45:00 MY QUESTION TO MS. POST IS HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE YOUR
13:45:07 PROCESS THAT YOU DESCRIBED TO US?
13:45:11 THE ADMINISTRATION, THE MAYOR, THAT PROCESS TO BE, MAYBE SIX
13:45:16 MONTHS OR SO?
13:45:17 >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND INSIGHT.
13:45:20 WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS PROCESS ENDURES THROUGH THE
13:45:23 REMAINDER OF THE MAYOR'S TERM AS LONG AS SHE IS IN OFFICE.
13:45:26 THAT IS THE CONCEPT OF THE SUSTAINABILITIES AND RESILIENCY
13:45:31 UMBRELLA, IS THAT IT IS ONGOING, YOU NEVER COMPLETELY SOLVE,
13:45:37 YOU JUST CONTINUE TO WORK AT AND WORK TO IMPROVE AND MAKE
13:45:41 ITERATIVE IMPROVEMENTS.
13:45:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT SPECIFICALLY, THE OTHER FOUR
13:45:48 COMMITTEES CREATED, GENERATED A REPORT, AND RECOMMENDATIONS
13:45:54 WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
13:45:56 I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU ANTICIPATE THIS COMMITTEE DOING
13:46:01 THAT.
13:46:02 INITIALLY, I UNDERSTAND IT GOES OWN AND ON FOREVER, AND I AM
13:46:05 GLAD THAT WE HIRED MR. REMER TO CARRY THAT OFF.
13:46:09 >>CAROLE POST: SO I THINK THE FIRST FOUR COMMITTEES HAD
13:46:15 VERY FINITE TIMES.
13:46:17 THIS GROUP WILL BE LONGER STANDING.
13:46:19 THE MISSION WILL CONTINUE INDEFINITELY AND THE EFFORT IS TO
13:46:22 EXECUTE A ROAD MAP, WILL HAVE A DEFINED TIME BUT IT WILL BE
13:46:25 LONGER THAN 90 DAYS. TO SOME EXTENT WE WERE WAITING FOR
13:46:30 WHIT TO JOIN US.
13:46:33 HE WILL HELP DRIVE THIS PLAN AND THIS MAP WITH THE CATALYST
13:46:36 GROUP.
13:46:36 WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME.
13:46:38 IT IS EXPECTED THAT THIS IS A LONGER UNDERTAKING THAN THE 90
13:46:43 DAYS.
13:46:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. BENNETT, ARE YOU CHIMING IN ON THIS
13:46:48 POINT?
13:46:53 >> I THINK MS. GRIMES WAS NEXT.
13:46:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT. WHEN I WAS
13:46:57 GOING THROUGH THE NATIONWIDE OR WORLDWIDE SELECTION PROCESS
13:47:00 THAT LANDED MR. REMER, WE APPROACHED CITY COUNCIL ON THE
13:47:05 EQUATION SIDE OF THE QUESTION AND LOOKING FOR THE BROADENING
13:47:10 WHICH MS. POST HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH YOU ONE OF THE
13:47:12 THINGS THAT CAME OUT WAS YOUR APPROVAL OF THE CITY'S
13:47:16 CATALYST WAS THE 100-CITY REPORT WORLDWIDE ABOUT THIS.
13:47:20 AND TO MR. CARLSON'S POINT ABOUT THE NAMING OF THE
13:47:23 OPPORTUNITY AND THE INCLUSION, NOT ONLY OF THE CONTENT BUT
13:47:26 OF THE PEOPLE AND THE EQUITY IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THIS
13:47:30 ADMINISTRATION IS EXTREMELY -- I KNOW I AM EXTREMELY
13:47:33 PASSIONATE ABOUT.
13:47:34 I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYBODY YET THAT HAS BEEN DISPOSITION AT
13:47:37 ABOUT THAT.
13:47:37 ONE OF THE THINGS TWO THINGS THAT ARE BAKED INTO THIS
13:47:40 PROCESSION AND I AM READING RIGHT FROM THE REPORT THAT I
13:47:42 USED TO BRIEF COUNCIL WHEN I CAME BACK FROM THE NETHERLANDS
13:47:45 IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND SOCIAL EQUITY.
13:47:49 AND SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY SUB SETS OF THE ENTIRE
13:47:54 SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE PROCESS.
13:47:56 THAT'S THE ONE THAT I AM LOOKING THE MOST FORWARD TO THOSE
13:47:59 RESULTS.
13:47:59 AND THAT'S WHY MR. REMER DID SO WELL IN THE SELECTION
13:48:05 PROCESS BECAUSE HE HAS A COMPASSION FOR THAT.
13:48:07 AND TO CAROLE'S POINT ABOUT BEING NEVER ENDING THAT IS A
13:48:11 TRUISM THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE SOAKED INTO THE
13:48:14 SUSTAINABILITIES AND RESILIENCE PROCESS, AND TO CREATE THAT
13:48:18 INCLUSION FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
13:48:20 REPRESENTED IN THE FOUR ADVISORY GROUPS AND WILL BE NEVER
13:48:24 ENDING AND BROADENED INTO THE FIFTH ONE.
13:48:28 SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
13:48:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:48:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANT TO FINISH UP UNLESS GINA, WAS
13:48:36 THERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?
13:48:38 >>GINA GRIMES: NO.
13:48:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GO AHEAD.
13:48:40 YOU HAVE THE FLOOR TEMPORARILY.
13:48:47 >>GINA GRIMES: I WANTED TO REMIND SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT
13:48:49 WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD THAT THERE WAS A CHARTER
13:48:53 PROVISION THAT'S APPLICABLE TO THIS SITUATION.
13:48:55 PREVIOUS TO WHEN THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD MADE THE CHANGES
13:48:58 THEY DID, COUNCIL HAD NO AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE.
13:49:04 AS YOU WELL KNOW, COUNCIL HAS ALL THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY.
13:49:09 AND ONLY THAT ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN
13:49:14 THE CHARTER.
13:49:15 SO CHARTER REVIEW BOARD MADE A CHANGE TO THE PROVISION IN
13:49:18 THE CHARTER DEALING WITH COMMITTEES, AND WHAT IT PROVIDED IS
13:49:21 THAT COUNCIL WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A
13:49:26 COMMITTEE, EXPANDING COMMITTEES OR AD HOC COMMITTEES, BY
13:49:31 RESOLUTION, BUT CHECK AND BALANCE WAS ADDED.
13:49:36 AND A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A COMMITTEE ALSO WOULD REQUIRE
13:49:42 THE RECOMMENDATION OF OR APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.
13:49:45 SO A CHECK AND BALANCE.
13:49:47 SIMILAR TO THE MAYOR NEGOTIATES CONTRACTS, THAT THEY CAN'T
13:49:52 BE EXECUTED UNLESS CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT.
13:49:55 ROLLS ARE REVERSED IN THIS SITUATION.
13:49:57 COUNCIL WANTS TO PROPOSE A COMMITTEE, BUT IT CAPTAIN BE
13:50:02 ESTABLISHED UNLESS UNTIL THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS OR APPROVES
13:50:06 IT.
13:50:09 MS. POST'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO MERGE THE CONCEPTS THAT MR.
13:50:12 CARLSON HAS PROPOSED INTO A COMMITTEE THAT IS ALREADY
13:50:14 UNDERWAY, AND THAT FOR COUNCIL TO A APPOINT A COUNCIL MEMBER
13:50:19 TO THAT COMMITTEE.
13:50:20 THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
13:50:22 AND AGAIN WHEN COMES TO THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES JUST LAKE
13:50:25 WE DO ALL THE TIME EVERY WEEK WITH AGREEMENTS, WE TRY TO
13:50:28 WORK TOGETHER AND EXCHANGE INFORMATION, AND THEN COME OUT
13:50:33 WITH AN OUTCOME THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH SIDES.
13:50:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST TO FINISH UP, MR. CHAIRMAN.
13:50:45 THANK YOU, MS. GRIMES.
13:50:47 MR. CARLSON, IT'S INTERESTING.
13:50:49 I WASN'T AWARE OF WHAT MS. GRIMES JUST SAID, BUT I THINK IT
13:50:53 ADDS AN INTERESTING LITTLE FLAVOR TO THIS.
13:50:55 WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IN THE NAME OF TRYING TO MEDIATE
13:50:58 THIS IS THAT PERHAPS, IF WE SPECIFICALLY CONTINUE YOUR ITEM
13:51:06 36, OKAY, FOR SIX MONTHS, ALONG WITH THE IDEA OF
13:51:11 SPECIFICALLY COUNCIL POINTING YOU OR AT LEAST RECOMMENDING
13:51:16 YOUR APPOINTMENT TO THE MAYOR TO BE ON THEIR COMMITTEE,
13:51:20 WHATEVER IT IS THEY ARE DOING, TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
13:51:24 SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN THIS COMES BACK AND YOU FEEL LIKE
13:51:27 THAT COMMITTEE IS NOT GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, NOT
13:51:30 GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU SUGGESTED, THEN YOU CAN
13:51:33 BRING IT BACK TO US AND, YOU KNOW, TELL US WHY, AND, YOU
13:51:38 KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO GO ON A DIFFERENT AND/OR PARALLEL
13:51:42 DIRECTION.
13:51:42 I AGREE WITH MR. BENNETT.
13:51:44 I THINK THE END POINT IS THE SAME OR SIMILAR, YOU KNOW.
13:51:52 AND I KNOW YOU, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE WELL MEANING, AND I
13:51:56 LOVE THE IDEAS THAT YOU PUT FORTH.
13:51:58 BUT I DO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT PAST TIME AND ALSO THE VIABILITY
13:52:06 IF BEEF TWO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES RUNNING PARALLEL AT THE
13:52:09 SAME TIME, I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN EFFICIENT
13:52:15 USE OF OUR COMMUNITY'S TIME.
13:52:17 SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
13:52:18 MR. CARLSON, I WILL THROW IT AT YOU, AT THINK POINT THE
13:52:23 CHAIRMAN WANTS TO RECOGNIZE YOU, HOW YOU WOULD FEEL TO
13:52:28 CONTINUE YOUR PROPOSAL FOR SIX MONTHS, AND HAND IN HAND
13:52:32 HOPEFULLY THIS COUNCIL WOULD APPOINT YOU OR AT LEAST
13:52:35 RECOMMEND YOUR APPOINTMENT TO SERVE ON THEIR BODY.
13:52:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
13:52:40 >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T CARE PERSONALLY
13:52:43 WHETHER I AM ON A COMMITTEE OR NOT.
13:52:45 I THINK ANY OF US WOULD SERVE WELL ON A COMMITTEE LIKE THAT.
13:52:48 AND REPRESENT THE CITY AND THE COUNCIL.
13:52:54 MY CONCERN IS THAT I THINK THE ECONOMY, AND IT'S AN ECONOMIC
13:53:00 ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE ECONOMY IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT.
13:53:03 IT'S CONNECTED TO ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES, THE TASK FORCES
13:53:07 THAT THE MAYOR PUT TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC
13:53:12 COMMITTEE THAT'S LOOKING AT THE ECONOMY.
13:53:14 AND EVEN FOUND I THINK SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS
13:53:20 THEY HAD ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE IT.
13:53:25 IF THEY ADDED ECONOMY TO THE NAME OF THAT TASK FORCE, I
13:53:29 STILL THINK IT'S NOT CONNECTED.
13:53:32 SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE ARE CONNECTED TO THE ECONOMY
13:53:34 AND VICE VERSA BUT VERY BILL TOPICS THAT NEED TO BE
13:53:40 DISCUSSED.
13:53:40 WHAT DID YOU SAY, FOUR OR FIVE TASK FORCES RUNNING AND
13:53:44 CURRENTLY IT DOESN'T HURTS TO HAVE ONE THAT'S FOCUSED ON THE
13:53:47 ECONOMY BECAUSE ULTIMATELY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE UPSET IN
13:53:50 THE COMMITTEE AS THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- THERE'S
13:53:53 NOT ECONOMIC COMMITTEE.
13:53:55 AND ECONOMIC EQUITY IS A PIECE OF IT BUT IF WE WERE THE
13:53:59 REGIONAL LAGGARD IN THE STATE, IF WE DIDN'T GAIN ANY GROUND
13:54:02 AGAINST OUR PEER CITIES, AND IF MIDDLE CLASS SHRANK AND
13:54:06 PEOPLE IN POVERTY INCREASED, WHY WOULD WE NOT SPEND A LITTLE
13:54:09 BIT OF STAFF TIME TO PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE FOR IT?
13:54:12 IT'S NOT THE SAME.
13:54:13 THE ECONOMY IS NOT THE SAME AS SUSTAINABILITIES.
13:54:16 IF THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO MY PROPOSAL LAST NIGHT AND HAVE
13:54:19 THE NAME ECONOMY, SO SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCY AND ECONOMY
13:54:24 AND SET UP A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON
13:54:27 ECONOMY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
13:54:28 IT'S NOT MY CHOICE.
13:54:30 I WOULD RATHER HAVE A SEPARATE COMMITTEE ON ECONOMY.
13:54:32 BUT I OFFERED THAT LAST NIGHT IN TRYING TO MERGE AND WORK
13:54:35 TOGETHER AND THE RESPONSE I GOT WAS, IT'S OUR WAY OR THE
13:54:38 HIGHWAY.
13:54:38 AND HOW FAR AM I SUPPOSED TO GO?
13:54:41 JUST SAY OKAY, I'M FINE NOT DOING IT.
13:54:43 IF YOU GUYS DON'T AGREE WITH ME THEN IT'S DEAD ANYWAY.
13:54:47 BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO JUDGE US IF WE DID ALL
13:54:51 WE COULD TO NOT ONLY GET OUT IN THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS WE'RE
13:54:55 IN BUT DID WE DO EVERYTHING WE COULD TO MAKE TAMPA
13:54:56 SUCCESSFUL?
13:55:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW THE MAYOR HAD CERTAIN GROUPS WHO
13:55:03 HAVE SUBMITTED THE IDEAS FOR HOUSING AND SO FORTH.
13:55:10 CORRECT?
13:55:10 AND THAT'S A PART OF YOUR TASK FORCE, CORRECT?
13:55:13 >> WE HAD A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY
13:55:17 PARTICIPATE IN THE FOUR TASK FORCES THAT WERE UNDERWAY
13:55:20 THROUGH THE SUMMER AND THE FALL.
13:55:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND REPORTS, CORRECT?
13:55:26 >>CAROLE POST: AND THOSE REPORTS HAVE BEEN FINALIZED.
13:55:29 THEIR INPUT WAS INCORPORATED.
13:55:30 IT WAS PUBLIC FORUM ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE WORK GROUPS, AND
13:55:34 EACH OF THOSE FOUR HAVE BEEN CONCLUDED. THEY NOW BOIL UP
13:55:37 INTO AND CREATE THE FRAMEWORK, THE FOUNDATION FOR
13:55:41 SUSTAINABILITIES AND RESILIENCE, WHICH IS THE LAST CHAPTER.
13:55:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
13:55:46 SO NOW WE HAVE GOT THOSE FOUR GROUPS THAT HAVE DONE
13:55:49 ANYTHING, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO YOU AND YOUR OTHER GROUP,
13:55:51 THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT AND FUSE EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
13:55:55 BUT I HAVE TO LOOK AT MR. CARLSON'S POINT ABOUT ECONOMY, AND
13:56:03 TO SEE WHERE HE'S GOING, IF WE HAVE DONE THESE FOUR PILLARS,
13:56:07 I DON'T KNOW, WE ARE NOT IN A RUSH.
13:56:09 WE HAVE TIME TO ADD THE GROUP OR SIX WEEKS OR WHATEVER TO
13:56:15 TALK ABOUT TO ADD TO THE OTHER FOUR, WHATEVER YOU ARE GOING
13:56:18 TO FUSE TOGETHER.
13:56:25 I'M KIND OF SAYING, WELL, SUSTAINABILITY, RESILIENCE, AND
13:56:32 THEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMY.
13:56:34 SO I HAVE KIND OF SEEING WHERE HE'S GOING A LITTLE BIT.
13:56:38 SO I'M KIND OF SAYING WE HAD THESE OTHER GROUPS, HOUSING,
13:56:42 ALL THESE OTHER GROUPS. SO WHAT'S REALLY WRONG WITH GIVING
13:56:45 US A LITTLE TIME TO DEAL WITH A BUNCH OF STAFF?
13:56:52 >>CAROLE POST: FIRST OF ALL, WE ACTUALLY ARE IN A RUSH.
13:56:56 AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A REASON WHY WE WOULD OR OWE
13:57:00 NOT DO ANYTHING.
13:57:02 WE HAVE A SENSE OF URGENCY ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND
13:57:08 DESIRE TO MOVE RAPIDLY.
13:57:09 BUT PUTTING THAT ASIDE IF I MAY FOR A MOMENT RESPECTFULLY, I
13:57:13 WANT TO RESPOND SOME SOMETHING THAT SOMETHING COUNCILMAN
13:57:16 CARLSON SAID ABOUT OUR CONVERSATION AND OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT
13:57:20 HOW TO JOIN OUR FORCES.
13:57:24 AND WHEN THE REFERENCE WAS MADE TO FORMING AN ECONOMY
13:57:28 SUBGROUP OR COMMITTEE, WE AGREED WITH THAT.
13:57:32 THERE WAS NOT A "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY."
13:57:36 IN FACT, THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION WAS PREMISED ON OUR WAY.
13:57:40 HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS OUR WAY?
13:57:43 AND THE IDEA OF HAVING A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, EXPERTS,
13:57:47 PROFESSIONALS, ADVOCATES WHO COULD FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY AS A
13:57:51 SUBSECTION OR SUBCHAPTER IS COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE TO US.
13:57:56 I THINK WE JUST GOT CAUGHT UP ON WHETHER WE NAME IT OR TITLE
13:57:59 IT, AND FRANKLY, I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY
13:58:02 ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
13:58:03 WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE.
13:58:06 SO IF WE ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THE SUBSTANCE AND WHAT WE ARE
13:58:09 TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, AN ECONOMY IS AN ENORMOUS PART OF
13:58:13 THAT, THEN WE ARE IN AGREEMENT ON THE FUNDAMENTALS.
13:58:16 WHAT KEY CALL IT JUST SEEMS INSIGNIFICANT.
13:58:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WOULD IT STILL BE LIABLE WITH THE
13:58:23 APPOINTMENT SERVICE COMMITTEE IF WE DID A SUBCOMMITTEE?
13:58:28 >>CAROLE POST: I THINK IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
13:58:30 AND I THINK AGAIN THE NOTIONS THAT ARE SET FORTH HERE ARE
13:58:34 DERIVATIVE OF WHAT DRIVE OUR ECONOMY.
13:58:36 THEY WOULD BE BAKED IN ANY WAY.
13:58:38 SO IF IT IS BETTER TO EMPHASIZE THAT BY CALLING OUT A
13:58:44 SEPARATE COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT COULD BE WORK BEING, YES.
13:58:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN IT'S NOT WHAT WE CAN DO OR WE CAN'T
13:58:54 DO, MR. CARLSON.
13:58:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CARLSON, REBUTTAL?
13:58:58 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
13:58:59 I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THE ECONOMY IS TO OUR
13:59:03 COMMUNITY.
13:59:04 AND ALL THESE OTHER TOPICS ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL.
13:59:06 AND THEY ALL JOIN INTO IT IF WE DON'T WORK ON SUSTAINABILITY
13:59:09 AND RESILIENCY, IT'S GOING TO HURTS OUR ECONOMY.
13:59:12 IF WE DON'T WORK ON TRANSPORTATION AND HOUSING IT'S GOING TO
13:59:14 WORK ON OUR ECONOMY.
13:59:16 BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ECONOMY.
13:59:18 I WOULD LIKE TO -- CAN I MAKE A MOTION OR A COUPLE MOTIONS?
13:59:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT NOW OR WAIT
13:59:24 TILL THE END?
13:59:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO IT NOW.
13:59:27 >>BILL CARLSON: I FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD, ESPECIALLY
13:59:32 IN THE INSTANCE THAT THEY CAN'T PUT THE WORD ECONOMY IN THE
13:59:36 NAME OF THE COMMITTEE, I THINK IT DOES NOT DRAW ENOUGH
13:59:40 ATTENTION TO THE TOP I CAN.
13:59:41 AND I THINK THE ECONOMY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
13:59:45 WE KNEW THAT IF WE WENT TO UNEMPLOYMENT WE WOULD HAVE
13:59:49 PROBLEMS.
13:59:50 WE SEE THAT CYCLE EVERY TEN YEARS.
13:59:52 AND THE RECESSIONS ALWAYS HURT US.
13:59:54 OUR ECONOMY HAS BEEN HURT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DIVERSIFIED IT
13:59:57 ENOUGH AND WE HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON ALL THOSE OTHER ISSUES THAT
14:00:02 WE TALKED ABOUT.
14:00:03 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL ASK THAT
14:00:10 CITY STAFF WORK WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON TO FIND AN
14:00:13 OUTSIDE OBJECTIVE PARTNER THAT WOULD VOLUNTEER THEIR
14:00:15 SERVICES TO ORGANIZE, FACILITATE A REPORT ON THE ECONOMIC
14:00:19 ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE WOULD MEET FOUR TO SIX
14:00:22 TIMES EACH AND WOULD BE MADE UP OF DIVERSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
14:00:25 ADDRESSING KEY ECONOMIC CONCERNS, STRATEGIES AND DATA FOR
14:00:27 THE COMMUNITY.
14:00:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. CARLSON.
14:00:31 DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT, SIR?
14:00:33 >>BILL CARLSON: NO, JUST TO WORK WITH, WORK TOGETHER.
14:00:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION?
14:00:42 SECOND ON THE MOTION?
14:00:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN I SPEAK TO THE MOTION?
14:00:48 I JUST WANT SOME CLARITY BECAUSE NOW THERE'S THREE THINGS
14:00:51 OAT TABLE.
14:00:51 WHAT THE MAYOR IS DOING.
14:00:52 WHAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS BACK ON ITEM 36.
14:00:55 AND NOW GOT A SUBMOTION TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION?
14:00:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, ESSENTIALLY IT IS.
14:01:00 I DIDN'T COPY ALL THE SAME LANGUAGE BUT IT WOULD COVER ALL
14:01:03 THOSE THINGS.
14:01:04 THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I MADE AND THE REASON WHY I HAD
14:01:07 DIFFERENT LANGUAGE WAS THAT IN THE FIRST CONVERSATION THAT
14:01:11 WE HAD AFTER THE MOTION, MS. POST ASKED ME TO REDUCE THE
14:01:14 TIME OF IT SO INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ONGOING COMMITTEE I
14:01:17 REDUCED TO THE FOUR TO SIX MEETINGS, AND THEN --
14:01:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT A CERTIFIED MEDIATOR, AND I
14:01:23 APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
14:01:25 BUT WHAT I SEE HERE IS THREE GOOD THINGS GOING IN DIFFERENT
14:01:28 WAYS.
14:01:28 SO MAYBE WE COULD PUT THIS ASIDE FOR ONE WEEK AND LET YOU
14:01:34 SPEAK TO THE ADMINISTRATION. MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE ONE OR TWO
14:01:36 MEMBERS OF YOUR COMMITTEE, WHOEVER YOU WANT TO GET I don't
14:01:39 care who you get.
14:01:40 I understand what you put here.
14:01:42 But it could be -- and then you work with administration to
14:01:45 get this done.
14:01:46 That way the staff would be covered, everything would be
14:01:50 covered, and jointly.
14:01:51 I'm just throwing it out.
14:01:53 It's up to you to put it together --
14:01:56 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
14:01:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, NO, THEN THERE WOULD BE FOUR MOTIONS
14:02:01 ON THE FLOOR AND I AM DIABETIC AND I HAVE TO SPEAK QUICKLY
14:02:05 BECAUSE I AM GOING DOWN QUICK.
14:02:06 I AM NOT AGAINST IT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALSO THAT
14:02:09 THE WAY THE CHARTER READS WE ARE NOT STEPPING ON SOMEBODY
14:02:13 EMS'S TOES BY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
14:02:15 AT THE SAME TIME, HAVE COMPETING INTERESTS TO GET THE SAME
14:02:18 GOALS DONE. YOU CAN ONLY SCORE WHEN YOU HAVE THE FOOTBALL.
14:02:22 YOU CAN'T SCORE UNLESS YOU HAVE A BAD PASSER WHEN YOU ARE ON
14:02:24 DEFENSE.
14:02:27 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT --
14:02:29 >>> GO AHEAD.
14:02:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST A SUGGESTION.
14:02:31 I THINK MR. MIRANDA IS ON THE RIGHT PATH.
14:02:33 I THINK MS. POST, MAYBE GET WITH MRS. POST AND WORK THAT
14:02:41 OUT.
14:02:41 IF IT WAS A PHONE CALL, BUT MAYBE SIT DOWN WITH HER AND WORK
14:02:44 THAT OUT AND BRING IT BACK.
14:02:45 >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAD ONE CONVERSATION LAST NIGHT LATE
14:02:51 ABOUT IT.
14:02:52 AND FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THAT OTHER MOTION.
14:02:57 SECOND, IF ONE OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, I WOULD
14:03:02 SECOND IT, BUT I COULD MAKE A MOTION, AND IT WOULD BE
14:03:04 SOMETHING LIKE TO ASK ME TO MEET WITH MS. POST AND THE
14:03:08 MAYOR'S OFFICE TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION IT WOULD BE
14:03:16 A STRONG COMPONENT OF AN ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR
14:03:21 SUPPORTING THE ECONOMY IN SOME WAY.
14:03:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
14:03:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND.
14:03:25 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
14:03:27 GO AHEAD.
14:03:27 OH, YOU ARE GOOD?
14:03:28 ALL RIGHT.
14:03:28 >>BILL CARLSON: AND REPORT BACK ON THE 25th.
14:03:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
14:03:35 AND I HOPE YOU EMPHASIZE THAT REPORT BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
14:03:39 >>BILL CARLSON: BACK ON THE 25th.
14:03:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES TO COME
14:03:46 BACK ON JUNE 25TH UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
14:03:50 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:03:51 ANY OPPOSED?
14:03:53 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
14:03:54 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
14:03:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:03:56 >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU.
14:03:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I NOTICE WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM PULLED
14:03:59 FOR DISCUSSION.
14:04:00 ONCE WE CONCLUDE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK
14:04:03 BECAUSE WE COME BACK AT 5:00 FOR 20 MORE ITEMS.
14:04:08 CHIEF BENNETT.
14:04:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
14:04:14 YOU HAD I BELIEVE PULLED ITEM 21 FOR STAFF DIALOGUE.
14:04:17 AND WE HAVE MR. SPEARMAN AND IF YOU NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS
14:04:24 ON.
14:04:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
14:04:28 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:04:29 THIS IS THE HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
14:04:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO ITEM 21, MR. VIERA'S
14:04:36 COMMITTEE, WE ARE ALL VERY CONSCIOUS NOW OF THE BUDGET SHOT
14:04:42 FALL THAT WE WILL LIKELY BE HEADED AS IT CONNECTS THIS YEAR
14:04:47 AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS PROBABLY BECAUSE OF COVID.
14:04:52 AS A RESULT, WHEN I LOOK AT THE AGENDA, I LOOK EVEN MORE
14:04:58 CAREFULLY THAN I EVER DID IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE SPENDING.
14:05:03 SPECIFICALLY, SOMETIMES WE RENEW CONTRACTS FROM YEARS
14:05:07 BEFORE, IF THE VENDOR IS DOING A GOOD JOB AND WE THINK WE
14:05:11 HAVE A GOOD BID, THEN WE RENEW THOSE AWARDS.
14:05:15 I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW.
14:05:19 SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW STAFF WORKS VERY HARD ESPECIALLY IN
14:05:23 THIS ENVIRONMENT TO GET A VENDOR TO RENEW AT THE SAME PRAISE
14:05:27 POINT THAT THEY HAD THE PRIOR YEAR, AND THEN THAT WAY, YOU
14:05:31 KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE TO SAVE MONEY.
14:05:34 IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM 21, I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE
14:05:38 THERE'S A 2 .3% INCREASE, WHICH IS NOTE HUGE, BUT I DID ASK
14:05:44 MR. SPEARMAN WHY WE WOULD ALLOW OR ENCOURAGE THE VENDOR TO
14:05:50 INCREASE THAT.
14:05:51 SO HE EXPLAINED ADEQUATELY TO ME WHY WE DID.
14:05:58 AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I'M OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD ON
14:06:01 ITEM 21.
14:06:02 UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION.
14:06:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
14:06:05 NO?
14:06:06 WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE IT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL WE COME BACK AND
14:06:08 DO THE CONSENT AGENDA?
14:06:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MAKE IT NOW.
14:06:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
14:06:14 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
14:06:18 CERTIFICATED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I BELIEVE.
14:06:20 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:06:21 ALL RIGHT.
14:06:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:06:22 WE ARE GOING TO -- WE ARE GOING TO RECESS NOW FOR --
14:06:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE WAS OTHER ITEM AND I
14:06:33 THINK MR. ROGERO IS HERE FOR IT.
14:06:35 WE COULD GET RID OF HIM.
14:06:37 ITEM 11.
14:06:38 I HAD REQUESTED IT EARLIER.
14:06:40 THIS IS THAT REFINANCE.
14:06:42 IT'S $46 MILLION.
14:06:44 SO ANYTIME WE ARE DOING -- IT MIGHT BE 11 AND 12.
14:06:49 ANYTIME WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WITH $46 THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO
14:06:52 HEAR ABOUT IT AND WHY.
14:06:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. ROGERO?
14:06:59 >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M MOVING SLOWLY.
14:07:10 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
14:07:11 GOOD AFTERNOON.
14:07:12 DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
14:07:15 REGARDING THESE ITEMS, AS YOU KNOW, CITY AND INDEED THE REST
14:07:21 OF THE WORLD ARE FACING A NUMBER OF MULTIYEAR CHALLENGES
14:07:24 ASSOCIATED WITH THE PANDEMIC.
14:07:27 IN OUR SEARCH -- AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEARCH FOR SOLUTIONS
14:07:32 ASSOCIATED WITH THESE CHALLENGES AND DISCUSSION WITH OUR
14:07:36 FINANCIAL ADVISORS, WE REVISITED THE ITEMS YOU HAVE IN FRONT
14:07:39 OF YOU RIGHT HERE.
14:07:40 THESE ITEMS, IF YOU APPROVE THEM, WILL ALLOW US TO BE
14:07:43 PROACTIVE AND WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTRUCTURE
14:07:49 EXISTING DEBT IN A MORE MANAGEABLE WAY.
14:07:52 AGAIN, IF YOU APPROVE THEM, IT'S GOING TO ASSIST US IN
14:07:55 BALANCING NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT YEARS BUDGET AFTER THAT,
14:08:00 AND MAYBE EVEN YEARS BUDGET AFTER THAT.
14:08:03 THAT IS A MULTIYEAR CHALLENGE.
14:08:05 AGAIN IT WILL ALLOW US TO GET BACK ON TARGET WITH SOME OF
14:08:07 THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER.
14:08:10 FOR EXAMPLE, THE BODY WORN CAMERAS THAT THE CHIEF DISCUSSED
14:08:13 EARLIER.
14:08:14 IT WILL MITIGATE THE REDUCTIONS WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE TO
14:08:18 BUDGET THOSE YEARS AHEAD OF US.
14:08:22 IN SUM, IT WILL PROVIDE $40 MILLION IN FLEXIBILITY IN OUR
14:08:26 GENERAL FUND.
14:08:29 WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DO WANT TO
14:08:32 STRESS THIS IS NOT A PANACEA.
14:08:34 THIS IS NOT A ONE-STOP SOLUTION TO THE CHALLENGES.
14:08:36 WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
14:08:39 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I INTERRUPT A SECOND?
14:08:42 I AM GETTING TEXT MESSAGES THAT THE LIVE FEED CUT OFF
14:08:45 SOMETIME IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES.
14:08:47 DO WE KNOW IF IT'S BACK LIVE AGAIN?
14:08:49 IT'S BACK ON.
14:08:53 THANK YOU.
14:08:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE, SIR.
14:08:55 >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO
14:08:59 BRIEF YOU ALL AHEAD OF TIME.
14:09:00 I APPRECIATE THAT.
14:09:01 I REALLY DO.
14:09:02 AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
14:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
14:09:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
14:09:10 JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE
14:09:16 LUNCH, THAT DENNIS IN YOUR BRIEFING, I BELIEVE, EVEN THOUGH
14:09:26 THIS IS PUSHING THIS ITEM DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT AND
14:09:29 EXTENDING IT, THREE YEARS RATHER THAN EIGHT YEARS,
14:09:33 APPROXIMATELY, IT WILL COST US A LITTLE BIT MORE TOTAL.
14:09:36 >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR.
14:09:38 AND THAT'S WRITE WAS GOING.
14:09:40 WE VISITED THIS ITEM.
14:09:41 WE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE, DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND ADDITIONAL
14:09:44 FUNDING.
14:09:45 TOLD YOU A -- ALL TOLD ABOUT 1.4 MILLION IN PRESENT VALUE TO
14:09:51 EXTEND THIS FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
14:09:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL SUPPORT THIS ITEM,
14:09:56 JUST BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME CASH
14:10:00 FLOW ISSUES OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR MORE, AND THIS WILL HELP
14:10:05 US GET THROUGH THOSE CASH FLOWS.
14:10:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:10:08 ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS?
14:10:10 NO?
14:10:11 WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
14:10:17 COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE THE MOTION.
14:10:19 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
14:10:20 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
14:10:22 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:10:23 ALL RIGHT.
14:10:26 THAT WAS 11.
14:10:28 12 IS PART 1 AND 2.
14:10:30 ANY QUESTIONS?
14:10:31 ANYTHING ON NUMBER 12?
14:10:33 NO?
14:10:33 ALL RIGHT.
14:10:34 DO I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THAT RESOLUTION, ITEM NUMBER 12?
14:10:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO MOVE.
14:10:39 >> SECOND.
14:10:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
14:10:42 ALL IN FAVOR?
14:10:43 ALL RIGHT.
14:10:43 WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 3:00.
14:10:46 (CITY COUNCIL IN RECESS).
15:00:51 (TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECESS).
15:00:55
15:10:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
15:10:56 COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER, IF WE CAN HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
15:11:07 (ROLL CALL)
15:11:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
15:11:11 WE HAVE GONE THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT.
15:11:13 WE HAVE DONE STAFF REPORTS.
15:11:15 AND NOW WE CAN GO TO ANY REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR
15:11:18 RECONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
15:11:20 WE ARE BEYOND THAT.
15:11:21 COMMITTEE REPORTS.
15:11:22 NOW REMEMBER, ITEM NUMBER 3 WE HAVE ALREADY DONE.
15:11:25 FIRST IS PUBLIC SAFETY WHICH IS COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO, ITEMS
15:11:29 1 AND 2, 4 AND 5.
15:11:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, WE DISCUSSED ITEM NUMBER 3.
15:11:40 SO I AM MOVING ALL AGENDA ITEMS 1 THROUGH 5.
15:11:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOW WE MOVED NUMBER 3.
15:11:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVING 1 THROUGH 5 EXCEPT NUMBER 3 WHICH WE
15:11:51 HAVE ALREADY DONE.
15:11:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
15:11:54 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:11:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:11:57 NEXT IS PARKS AND REC, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
15:12:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 6.
15:12:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
15:12:07 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:12:08 , ALL RIGHT.
15:12:10 NEXT IS JOHN DINGFELDER, PUBLIC WORKS.
15:12:13 WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AS VICE CHAIR FOR ITEM NUMBER
15:12:20 7.
15:12:20 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 7.
15:12:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO. ALL
15:12:25 IN FAVOR?
15:12:26 ALL RIGHT.
15:12:27 NEXT IS FINANCE COMMITTEE.
15:12:30 ITEMS 8, 9, 13 AND 14.
15:12:36 THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO AS VICE CHAIR.
15:12:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE --
15:12:43 >>JUSTIN VASKE: EXCUSE ME.
15:12:44 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING ITEMS 8 AND 9.
15:12:47 THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE FOR THE
15:12:49 RECORD.
15:12:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
15:12:52 >>JUSTIN VASKE: IN TERMS OF ITEM NUMBER 8 BEFORE CITY
15:12:54 COUNCIL IS TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUE ANSWER OF CITY OF TAMPA
15:12:59 FLORIDA HOSPITAL REVENUE BONDS SERIES 2020 B AND ONE OR MORE
15:13:02 SERIES IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $315 MILLION ON BEHALF OF
15:13:08 THE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE AND THE
15:13:13 MOFFITT CANCER RESEARCH CENTER INSTITUTE HOSPITAL.
15:13:17 IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE SERIES 2020 BONDS EXPRESSLY
15:13:19 STATE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT LIABLE TO PAY THE
15:13:24 PRINCIPAL OR INTEREST OF THE SERIES BONDS.
15:13:26 MORE OVER THE ISSUANCE OF THESE BONDS IS NOT CONSIDERED A
15:13:28 DEBTOR OBLIGATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOR DOES IT
15:13:32 INDIRECTLY -- DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY OBLIGATE THE CITY TO
15:13:37 REMEDY OR PLEDGE ANY FORM OF TAXATION OR TO LEVY AD VALOREM
15:13:41 TAXES ON ANY PROPERTY.
15:13:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN WE ARE JUST THE PASS THROUGH FOR THIS?
15:13:51 >>JUSTIN VASKE: THAT'S CORRECT FOR ITEM NUMBER 9.
15:13:53 I WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT THE SAME STATEMENTS FOR NUMBER 9 AS
15:13:56 WELL.
15:13:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
15:13:58 WOULD YOU LAKE TO SAY THE SAME THING OR JUST HAVE THE RECORD
15:14:01 SHOW DUPLICATE STATEMENTS FOR 8 AND 9?
15:14:05 >>JUSTIN VASKE: MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT YOU APPROVE ITEM
15:14:07 8.
15:14:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
15:14:12 IF WE COULD GET A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 8
15:14:15 CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT AND EVERYTHING.
15:14:17 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO, SECOND BY
15:14:19 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
15:14:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:14:22 ALL RIGHT.
15:14:23 ITEM NUMBER 9, SIR.
15:14:28 >>JUSTIN VASKE: AUTHORIZING CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
15:14:31 TAMPA, FLORIDA OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CIGARETTE TAX
15:14:35 OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2020-A AND ONE OR MORE SERIES OF
15:14:40 TAXABLE BONDS AND/OR TAX EXEMPT BONDS IN THE ORIGINAL
15:14:43 AGGRAVATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $300 MILLION ON
15:14:48 BEHALF OF THE H LEE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER RESEARCH INSTITUTE
15:14:52 AND ONCE AGAIN THESE SERIES 2020-A BONDS SPECIFICALLY STATE
15:14:56 THE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT LIABLE TO PAY THE PRINCIPAL OR
15:14:59 INTEREST OF THE SERIES BONDS.
15:15:01 MORE OVER THE ISSUANCE OF THESE BONDS IS NOT CONSIDERED A
15:15:04 DEBTS OR OBLIGATION OF THE CITY, NOR DOES IT DIRECTLY OR
15:15:08 INDIRECTLY OBLIGATE THE CITY TO LEVY OR PLEDGE ANY FORM OF
15:15:11 TAXATION OR TO LEVY AD VALOREM TAXES ON ANY PROPERTY.
15:15:16 ONCE AGAIN THIS IS MERELY A PASS THROUGH.
15:15:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
15:15:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION YOU UP
15:15:22 IN I WAS GOING TO ASK.
15:15:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM
15:15:25 NUMBER 9?
15:15:26 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES WITH A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL
15:15:29 MEMBER CITRO.
15:15:30 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:15:31 ALL RIGHT.
15:15:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ON YOUR
15:15:38 DESK IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS A CERTIFICATE
15:15:42 AS TO PUBLIC MEETING, AND COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED -- BOND
15:15:46 COUNSEL REQUESTED THAT CITY COUNCIL EXECUTE THOSE SO IF YOU
15:15:50 DON'T MIND I WILL COLLECT THEM FROM YOU AND I WILL GIVE THEM
15:15:53 TO MR. VASKE.
15:15:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
15:15:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:15:55 COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO, WE HAVE ITEMS 13 AND 14 FROM THAT
15:15:58 COMMITTEE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THOSE ITEMS.
15:16:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO MOVED.
15:16:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
15:16:07 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:16:07 ALL RIGHT.
15:16:08 BUILDING ZONING, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR 15 THROUGH 19.
15:16:11 >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE ITEMS 15 THROUGH 19.
15:16:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WITH
15:16:16 A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
15:16:19 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:16:20 NEXT UP IS TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, ITEMS 20 AND 22.
15:16:23 THAT IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
15:16:25 >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 20 THROUGH 22.
15:16:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION FROM
15:16:33 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:16:36 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:16:37 OKAY.
15:16:37 NOW WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NEED TO BE SET.
15:16:41 ITEM NUMBER 23, IF I CAN GET -- CAN WE MOVE THEM ALL AT
15:16:48 ONCE?
15:16:48 IF WE CAN GET A MOTION TO SET ITEM 23 THROUGH 28.
15:16:53 THEY HAVE BEEN SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
15:16:55 MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER WITH A SECOND FROM
15:16:57 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
15:16:58 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:16:59 OKAY.
15:17:00 PUBLIC HEARING, THESE ARE NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL SO WE DO NOT
15:17:04 HAVE TO SWEAR IN ANYBODY, CORRECT?
15:17:13 DO I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
15:17:16 >> SO MOVED.
15:17:17 >> SECOND.
15:17:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
15:17:20 SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
15:17:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:17:22 ITEM NUMBER 29.
15:17:25 THIS IS A SECOND READING.
15:17:27 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
15:17:29 CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
15:17:32 WITH COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES
15:17:35 TO PROVIDE THE HISTORY AND PURPOSE OF THIS ORDINANCE SINCE
15:17:38 IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS SINCE WE LAST MET AND CONSIDERED IT
15:17:42 ON FIRST READING.
15:17:43 THE ORDINANCE WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED ON FEBRUARY 6, 2020
15:17:46 ON FIRST READING AND PROHIBITS NONMOTORIZED VEHICLES SUCH AS
15:17:50 TRAVEL TRAILERS, WATER CRAFT AND BOATS ARE FROM PARKING UPON
15:17:53 ANY STREET, ALLEY OR ANY CITY OTHER THAN LOADING AND
15:17:59 UNLOADING, THE ORDINANCE AMENDS SECTION 15-47 WHICH
15:18:02 CURRENTLY PROHIBITS TRUCKS OR TRACTORS 80 INCHES IN WIDTH
15:18:06 FROM PARKING ON ANY STREETS ADJACENT TO PROPERTY DESIGNATED
15:18:09 AS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
15:18:11 INSTEAD OF REFERRING TO TRUCKS OR TRACTORS, THE ORDINANCE
15:18:14 NOW REFERS TO MOTOR VEHICLES AS DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTE
15:18:18 AND WHICH NECESSARILY INCLUDES RECREATIONAL VEHICLE.
15:18:21 ALSO, A WRITTEN WARNING IS REQUIRED BEFORE ISSUANCE OF A
15:18:24 TICKET.
15:18:25 AFTER 12 HOURS IF THE VEHICLE IS PARKED IN ANY PROHIBITED
15:18:28 LOCATION, THE TICKET MAY BE ISSUED, AND THEREAFTER AFTER TWO
15:18:32 HOURS IF IT HAS NOT BEEN MOVED THE CITY MAY I'M MOBILIZE OR
15:18:38 IMPOUND THE VEHICLE.
15:18:39 BEFORE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ON MARCH 5th CITY
15:18:41 COUNCIL DIRECTED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO RESEARCH THE
15:18:44 APPROPRIATENESS OF EXISTING LANGUAGE IN SECTION 15-47, IN
15:18:49 RESPONSE TO CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY STEVE MICHELINI.
15:18:51 HE FELT THAT MANY LARGE TRUCKS MEET OR EXCEED 80 INCHES IN
15:18:55 WIDTH AND SHOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED FROM PARKING ON INDUSTRY
15:18:58 STREETS. IN YOUR MATERIALS YOU HAVE A MEMORANDUM WHICH
15:19:00 SUMMARIZES THE RESULTS OF MY RESEARCH, AS MANUFACTURER
15:19:05 SPECIFICATIONS FOR LARGE TRUCKS, SUVs AN RECREATIONAL
15:19:09 VEHICLES.
15:19:09 THE WIDEST TRUCK I FOUND IS THE FORD F-450 WWR WHICH IS 96
15:19:15 INCHES IN WIDTH WITHOUT COUNTING THE MIRRORS.
15:19:17 IF COUNCIL WERE TO ALLOW THIS TYPE OF TRUCK TO PARK ON CITY
15:19:21 STREETS, CLASS C AND CLASS C RECREATIONAL VEHICLES WOULD
15:19:24 ALSO BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THEY AREN'T AS WIDE AS THE FORD 450.
15:19:29 IF COUNCIL'S INTENTS IS TO PROHIBITS THE PARKING OF
15:19:31 RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, THE ATTACHED REVISED DRAFT ACHIEVES
15:19:35 THIS PURPOSE BY AMENDING SECTION 15-47 TO PROHIBIT THE
15:19:39 PARKING OF MOTOR VEHICLES 86 INCHES OR MORE IN OVERALL WIDTH
15:19:43 NOT INCLUDING MIRRORS.
15:19:44 IF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS ACCEPTABLE, IT CAN BE APPROVED
15:19:47 ON SECOND READING WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK TO FIRST
15:19:49 READING.
15:19:51 I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
15:19:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:19:53 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
15:19:56 SEEING NONE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE -- OH,
15:20:01 WAIT.
15:20:02 IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS
15:20:04 ITEM?
15:20:06 SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
15:20:09 DINGFELDER WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:20:11 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:20:13 ALL RIGHT.
15:20:13 WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING
15:20:16 PRESENTED?
15:20:18 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
15:20:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND
15:20:22 READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
15:20:26 FLORIDA RELATING TO PARKING OF BOATS AND NON-MOTOR VEHICLES
15:20:30 AND VEHICLE OVER 80 INCHES MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA
15:20:33 CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 15 PARKING, AMENDING SECTION 15-3
15:20:37 DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTION 15-47, PARKING TRUCKS OVER 80
15:20:42 INCHES WIDE ON CERTAIN STREETS PROHIBITED, AMENDING SECTION
15:20:46 15-86, NON-MOTIVE VEHICLE PARKING PROHIBITED, AMENDING
15:20:53 SECTION 15-125, ADDITIONAL PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT TO
15:20:57 INCLUDE IMMOBILIZATION, IMPOUNDMENT, AND USE OF A COLLECTION
15:21:01 AGENCY, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
15:21:04 CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
15:21:06 EFFECTIVE DATE.
15:21:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
15:21:09 SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
15:21:11 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:21:12 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:21:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: VOTE AND RECORD.
15:21:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE SECOND READING.
15:21:18 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:21:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:21:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:21:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
15:21:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:21:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
15:21:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
15:21:28 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
15:21:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GO TO OUR 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
15:21:40 I DON'T THINK WE HAD A MOTION TO OPEN THESE ITEMS.
15:21:43 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
15:21:46 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:21:47 ALL RIGHT.
15:21:47 BEING THAT THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL, IF YOU WISH DO SPEAK ON
15:21:51 ANY OF THESE ITEMS 30 THROUGH 32, PLEASE STAND TO BE SWORN
15:21:55 IN.
15:22:07 ALL RIGHT.
15:22:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:22:08 WE BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER 30.
15:22:10 APPLICANT?
15:22:12 >> STAFF?
15:22:16 >>MARY SAMANIEGO: MARY SAMANIEGO FROM THE PLANNING AND
15:22:20 ZONING DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
15:22:22 ITEM NUMBER 30 AND 31 AND 32 HAVE ALL BEEN REVIEWED FOR
15:22:26 COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIRED CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND
15:22:30 SECOND READING.
15:22:31 THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA'S CLERK'S
15:22:36 OFFICE.
15:22:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON
15:22:38 ITEM NUMBER 30?
15:22:42 ON ITEM NUMBER 30, NO?
15:22:45 ALL RIGHT.
15:22:46 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
15:22:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
15:22:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:22:52 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:22:53 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:22:54 ALL RIGHT.
15:22:54 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU WOULD READ ITEM NUMBER 30.
15:22:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE AN ORDINANCE
15:23:02 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
15:23:05 APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES
15:23:09 SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES
15:23:13 FOR OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF
15:23:17 BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF
15:23:20 LAND LOCATED AT 3333 SOUTH WESTSHORE BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
15:23:24 FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3
15:23:26 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
15:23:29 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-68,
15:23:37 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
15:23:37 >> SECOND.
15:23:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
15:23:41 MIRANDA.
15:23:41 WHO WAS THE SECOND?
15:23:42 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
15:23:44 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:23:46 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
15:23:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:23:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:23:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
15:23:55 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:23:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
15:23:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
15:23:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:23:59 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
15:24:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 31.
15:24:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ON ITEM 31 I HAVE TO ABSTAIN.
15:24:07 I HAVE GIVEN THE CLERK THE PAPERWORK TO DO SO.
15:24:10 I WILL BE STEPPING OUT FOR THE VOTE.
15:24:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
15:24:12 ITEM NUMBER 312.
15:24:14 >> REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT PETITIONER.
15:24:22 NO COMMENTS REALLY TO MAKE.
15:24:23 JUST WANTED TO GIVE COUNCIL KUDOS AND MY SUN SEAR
15:24:27 APPRECIATION FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING.
15:24:29 IT'S GREAT TO GET BACK.
15:24:31 OBVIOUSLY, BACK IN MARCH I THINK WAS OUR FIRST READING, AND
15:24:35 SECOND READING WAS TO OCCUR A COUPLE WEEKS AFTER THAT,
15:24:38 OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T BECAUSE OF COVID-19 BUT REALLY APPRECIATE
15:24:43 EVERYONE BEING HERE AND ALL THE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR NOT ONLY
15:24:46 THE PUBLIC BUT PETITIONERS AS WELL.
15:24:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:24:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. SYKES, I'M REALLY
15:24:56 EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
15:25:00 IT'S IN WEST TAMPA.
15:25:03 IT'S REFURBISHING ONE OF OUR OLD MAJESTIC CIGAR FACTORIES
15:25:07 INTO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND I GUESS A RESTAURANT, SOME OTHER
15:25:10 USES.
15:25:12 IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WEST TAMPA NEEDS.
15:25:14 IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED FOR THESE CIGAR FACTORIES. IF
15:25:17 THEY GET PRESERVED LIKE THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY PUT
15:25:20 INTO THEM, WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY MESS WITH THE REGULATION
15:25:23 THAT MUCH.
15:25:24 AND IT BECOMES MORE VOLUNTARY.
15:25:26 SO I KNOW THERE ARE TAX ADVANTAGES AS WELL. ANYWAY, I AM
15:25:30 REALLY GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT BACK FOR SECOND READING.
15:25:33 I'M GLAD YOUR CLIENT IS STICKING WITH IT.
15:25:35 AND I'M GLAD WE ARE ABLE TO GET BACK IN BUSINESS IN TERMS OF
15:25:39 ZONING.
15:25:39 THANK YOU.
15:25:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:25:40 ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS?
15:25:41 NO?
15:25:42 AND I ECHO WHAT HE SAID.
15:25:43 THE CIGAR FACTORIES IN WEST TAMPA ARE BASICALLY THE CASTLES
15:25:47 OF WEST TAMPA BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T BUILD THOSE TODAY.
15:25:50 THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
15:25:51 THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT TO OUR HISTORY SO WE
15:25:53 APPRECIATE IT.
15:25:55 THANK YOU.
15:25:55 DID I ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT YET?
15:25:57 ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK?
15:25:59 NO?
15:26:00 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM.
15:26:04 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
15:26:06 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:26:07 ALL RIGHT.
15:26:07 COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND READING ITEM 31.
15:26:11 >> FILE REZ 19-97, I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
15:26:16 SECOND READING, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE
15:26:19 GENERAL VICINITY OF 1104, 1106 AND 1202 NORTH HOWARD AVENUE,
15:26:26 2306, 2321 AND 2323 WEST NASSAU STREET AND 2311 AND 2315
15:26:37 WEST GRACE STREET, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
15:26:40 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
15:26:42 CLASSIFICATION PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, Z-07-63, AND CI
15:26:50 COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, HOTEL, AND CI,
15:26:56 COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
15:27:01 THE PETITIONERS MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF AND MEETS THE
15:27:04 PURPOSE FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING THE WAIVER.
15:27:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:27:09 DO I HAVE A SECOND?
15:27:10 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
15:27:15 IF WE CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
15:27:17 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:27:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:27:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:27:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
15:27:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:27:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
15:27:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO RESPONSE.
15:27:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
15:27:32 ABSTAINING.
15:27:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP IS ITEM NUMBER 32.
15:27:37 >> MATT NUNNEN FOR THE PETITIONER 101 EAST KENNEDY
15:27:49 BOULEVARD, SUITE 2800.
15:27:53 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING ON FEBRUARY 20th, I MET
15:27:56 AT THE JCC WITH THE HYDE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION
15:28:00 AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME WATCH AND WE DISCUSSED THIS
15:28:03 PROJECT, AND BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK ADDED SOME LIGHTING TO
15:28:06 THE PARKING LOT.
15:28:07 THIS IS JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY. THIS IS THE
15:28:10 PARKING LOT ON CYPRESS AT 710 NORTH EDISON.
15:28:17 AND WITH THOSE CHANGES, SUBMITTED THEM TO DEVELOPMENT
15:28:20 SERVICE, AND REQUEST APPROVAL ON SECOND READING TODAY.
15:28:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:28:24 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
15:28:27 SEEING NONE, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM
15:28:30 NUMBER 32?
15:28:31 SEEING NO ONE --
15:28:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
15:28:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. ALL THOSE
15:28:38 IN FAVOR?
15:28:38 OKAY.
15:28:39 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
15:28:41 ITEM NUMBER 32.
15:28:42 >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 32 FILE
15:28:45 SU-2-19-10, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
15:28:50 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2
15:28:53 APPROVING COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING IN AN RS-50
15:28:56 RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT IN THE GENERAL
15:29:00 VICINITY OF 710 NORTH EDISON AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
15:29:06 FLORIDA AND AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1
15:29:10 HEREOF PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
15:29:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WITH A
15:29:14 SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
15:29:16 ROLL CALL VOTE.
15:29:17 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:29:17 >>ORLANDO GUIDES: YES.
15:29:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:29:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
15:29:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:29:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
15:29:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
15:29:27 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO VOTING NO.
15:29:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT CAN I GET A MOTION
15:29:33 TOE OPEN NUMBER 33?
15:29:36 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND BY COUNCIL
15:29:39 MEMBER GUDES.
15:29:40 MR. SHELBY, WAS THERE A CONTINUANCE WHERE THE PETITIONER
15:29:48 WITHDREW OR WAS THERE AN ERROR?
15:29:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS AN ERROR, AND SUSAN JOHNSON
15:29:53 VELEZ, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, SENT A MEMO TO COUNCIL.
15:29:56 SHE'S HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
15:29:57 BASICALLY, IT WAS THE DEVELOPER'S NOTICE CONTAINED THE WRONG
15:30:01 ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY.
15:30:03 THEREFORE, THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION IS INCORRECT AND THE
15:30:09 DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO A NEW PUBLIC HEARING DATE, 6-25-20
15:30:12 AT 10:30 A.M., AND JULY 16, 2020, AT 9:30 A.M.
15:30:21 THE CLERK DOES HAVE THE PREVIOUS SUPERCEDING RESOLUTION IF
15:30:23 COUNCIL SO CHOOSES TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
15:30:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS?
15:30:28 ANYBODY?
15:30:29 NO?
15:30:30 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO I GUESS MOVE THOSE RESOLUTIONS WITH
15:30:34 THOSE SET DATES BY MR. SHELBY?
15:30:42 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:30:44 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
15:30:45 ALL IN FAVOR?
15:30:47 ALL RIGHT.
15:30:48 THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
15:30:53 I SEE A MEMO HERE FROM VIK BHIDE.
15:30:57 DID WE ALREADY COVER THAT?
15:31:01 OKAY.
15:31:01 IS THERE ANYONE HEAR ON THAT ITEM?
15:31:05 IT'S A NEW BUSINESS ITEM ON THE ADDENDUM.
15:31:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE MEMORANDUM REQUESTS A MOTION
15:31:15 FOR A DATE OF JULY 16, 2020 TO REQUEST THE PLANNING AND
15:31:20 DEVELOPMENT AND LEGAL DEPARTMENTS TO PROVIDE A STAFF REPORT
15:31:24 AS WELL AS AN UPDATE ON THE COORDINATION EFFORTS THAT HAVE
15:31:26 BEEN UNDERWAY WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND METROPOLITAN
15:31:29 MINISTRIES REGARDING COUNCIL'S INTERESTS IN A DEVELOPMENT OF
15:31:32 NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PLAN.
15:31:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MOVE THAT ITEM.
15:31:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOCKS FROM COUNCILMAN
15:31:38 DINGFELDER FOR JULY 16, 2020.
15:31:40 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
15:31:42 SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
15:31:44 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:31:46 ALL RIGHT.
15:31:46 I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
15:31:49 NOW WE MOVE TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS.
15:31:53 ALL RIGHT, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
15:31:54 COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
15:31:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE RECENTLY TODAY PASSED ITEM 29 WHICH IS
15:32:00 THE ONE REGARDING THE VEHICLES AND PARKING IN FRONT, SIDE
15:32:07 AND BACK AND SO FORTH, AND I AM JUST WONDERING IF IT'S
15:32:09 POSSIBLE WHEN WE SEND THE WATER BILLS OUT, BECAUSE THE
15:32:13 PEOPLE IN THIS CITY ARE USED TO DOING WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN
15:32:16 DOING IN THIS PROGRESS WAY, THEY CALL IT PROGRESS, I DON'T,
15:32:20 ABOUT LIVING THE WAY THEY DO, AND I THINK WE CAN SEND
15:32:27 SOMETHING WHEN THEY SEND THE WATER BILL AT REALLY NO COST TO
15:32:29 THE CITY OTHER THAN THE PRINTING OF THE PAPER SHOWING THEM
15:32:32 THE PROPER WAY OF PUTTING IT IN THEIR BACKYARD IF POSSIBLE.
15:32:36 I THINK IT WOULD HELP SOMEONE NOT GETTING IN TROUBLE.
15:32:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
15:32:40 REQUEST THE ADMINISTRATION?
15:32:42 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
15:32:44 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
15:32:45 SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO, I BELIEVE.
15:32:48 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:32:49 THANK YOU, SIR.
15:32:50 ANYTHING ELSE?
15:32:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT.
15:32:52 THANK YOU.
15:32:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOTHING TODAY.
15:32:54 GREAT JOB TO NOT ONLY YOU, THE STAFF, AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED
15:32:59 FOR MOVING THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS TO THE TAMPA CONVENTION
15:33:03 CENTER.
15:33:04 THANK YOU ALL.
15:33:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:33:06 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
15:33:08 >>BILL CARLSON: I SECOND THAT.
15:33:11 DONE A FANTASTIC JOB.
15:33:13 THIS IS A GREAT WAY OUT.
15:33:14 THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS.
15:33:18 A FRIEND OF MAIN, WHO IS MAYBE A FRIEND TO ALL OF YOU ALSO,
15:33:23 DANIEL COLEMAN, PASS AWAY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WAS AN
15:33:28 IMPORTANT MEMBER OF THE SATURDAY MORNING GROUP.
15:33:30 SO I WENT TO HIS FUNERAL A WEEK AGO.
15:33:33 I WOULD LIKE TO JUST PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO HIS FAMILY.
15:33:36 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE A COMMENDATION.
15:33:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WITH
15:33:43 A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
15:33:45 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:33:48 ALL RIGHT.
15:33:48 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:33:49 >>BILL CARLSON: IT SEEMS LIKE A FEW DAYS AGO THAT WE HAD
15:33:54 THE MEETING THIS MORNING.
15:33:55 WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF PUTTING
15:33:59 DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AROUND THE POLICE
15:34:03 ON A WORKSHOP?
15:34:05 THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THE POLICE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, PBA,
15:34:09 STATE ATTORNEY, PUBLIC DEFENDER WOULD ALSO EKE OUT WHAT WE
15:34:14 HAVE AND HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM THAT THE CITY
15:34:17 ATTORNEY WOULD COME BACK AND GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS?
15:34:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT?
15:34:22 >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR.
15:34:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE'S SEPTEMBER 24th, WHICH IS A
15:34:28 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
15:34:30 >>BILL CARLSON: AUGUST 27?
15:34:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
15:34:35 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
15:34:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHY NOT?
15:34:38 I THINK IT WOULD BE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION.
15:34:40 >>BILL CARLSON: INSTEAD OF LOTS OF LITTLE DISCUSSION WE
15:34:43 HAVE ONE BIG DISCUSSION.
15:34:44 SO RECEIPT ME MAKE A MOTION.
15:34:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
15:34:51 WOULD YOU ADD THE CHIEF JUDGE AS WELL?
15:34:58 THE CHIEF JUDGE TO THE INVITATION.
15:34:59 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SO SORRY.
15:35:02 MAY I, MR. CHAIR, JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IF I MAY?
15:35:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE.
15:35:06 >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF ISSUES,
15:35:09 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING INCLUDING WHO IS DOING THE TRAINING,
15:35:12 WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LIVE SUBSTANCE OF THE TRAINING.
15:35:14 I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU CAN
15:35:16 SPEAK TO THAT IF HE WOULD LIKE, SUPPORTS CROWD DISBURSEMENT
15:35:21 AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS, BUT JUST THROWING OUT SOME THINGS
15:35:25 FROM MY NOTES.
15:35:28 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THANK YOU.
15:35:30 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY
15:35:35 ATTORNEY.
15:35:35 I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO QUICKLY CLARIFY ON
15:35:38 THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, FULL CALL, THE CHARTER REVIEW
15:35:43 COMMISSION ADDED A PROVISION IN THE CHARTER REQUIRING THE
15:35:46 CITY TO IMPLEMENT COMPREHENSIVE HARASSMENT,
15:35:50 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, BIAS AND CULTURAL TRAINING AND TO
15:35:56 DESCRIBE THE INTERVAL AND MANNER OF SUCH TRAINING BY
15:35:59 ORDINANCE.
15:36:01 THAT ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED, IT WAS CENTS TO YOU IN MARCH, IT
15:36:04 WAS SCHEDULED TO BE WORKSHOPPED ON MARCH 26, AND OF COURSE
15:36:08 THAT MEETING WAS CANCELED DUE TO COVID.
15:36:12 SO OUR STAFF IS HAVING THAT ON YOUR JULY 30 WORKSHOP.
15:36:16 I KNOW THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THIS MORNING ABOUT WHATEVER
15:36:19 HAPPENED TO THAT.
15:36:20 THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.
15:36:22 SO YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORKSHOP IN JULY, AND
15:36:25 AGAIN YOU WERE ACTUALLY PROVIDED A DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE.
15:36:28 BUT FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE STILL PAYING
15:36:31 ATTENTION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE
15:36:37 BIAS TRAINING, CULTURAL COMPETENCY AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION
15:36:43 TRAINING ALREADY OCCURRED, IS ALREADY BEING DONE.
15:36:46 YOU HEARD CHIEF DUGAN TALK ABOUT IT WITH THE POLICE
15:36:49 DEPARTMENT.
15:36:50 CITY EMPLOYEES ARE ALREADY REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF
15:36:52 TRAINING.
15:36:53 SO YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT IT ISN'T UNTIL THE
15:36:56 ORDINANCE IS PASSED THAT THE TRAINING WILL BEGIN.
15:36:59 THE TRAINING IS OCCURRING.
15:37:00 IT WILL CONTINUE TO OCCUR.
15:37:03 IT MAY END UP BEING -- BUT AGAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE
15:37:08 ORDINANCE IS SIMPLY TO CODIFY IT, WHO GET IT, WHEN THEY GET
15:37:13 IT, HOW OFTEN THEY GET IT, BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND
15:37:15 THAT THAT TRAINING IS ALREADY OCCURRING IN THE CITY OF
15:37:17 TAMPA.
15:37:18 SO THANK YOU.
15:37:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:37:22 COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
15:37:23 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD COMMENT ON THAT.
15:37:25 I THINK WHAT THE PUBLIC FROM WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE
15:37:28 PUBLIC IS WHATEVER IT IS, THEY WANT MORE.
15:37:30 SO HOPEFULLY AS IT'S DISCUSSED ON THAT DAY WE CAN EXPLAIN
15:37:35 HOW WE CAN TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
15:37:39 BUT CAN I JUST MAKE THIS MOTION SEPARATE FROM THAT?
15:37:42 IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE COUNCILMAN VIERA CAN SET THE DATE FOR
15:37:47 THE IMPLICIT BIAS.
15:37:48 BUT IF I COULD JUST READ THIS.
15:37:50 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL HOLD A
15:37:52 WORKSHOP TO HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION OR REVIEW OF
15:37:55 REGULATIONS REGARDING THE POLICE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, POLICE
15:37:57 CHIEF, CHIEF JUDGE, PBA, STATE ATTORNEY, AND PUBLIC DEFENDER
15:38:01 WOULD BE INVITED TO SPEAK, AND THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ASKED TO
15:38:04 GIVE THEIR COMMENTS TO WHAT THEY HAVE HEARD FOLLOWING THE
15:38:07 MEETING THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE ASKED TO PRESENT A SET OF
15:38:11 RECOMMENDED POLICY CHANGES BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST
15:38:16 27th.
15:38:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
15:38:17 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, A MONTH LATER, ON AUGUST 27.
15:38:23 THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US.
15:38:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND SEEKING A CLARIFICATION.
15:38:32 >> AS TO WHAT?
15:38:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON, YOU SAID REGULATIONS.
15:38:39 I LOOKED AT THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.
15:38:42 MR. GUDES IS WELL FAMILIAR WITH IT.
15:38:44 IT'S LITERALLY --
15:38:47 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU AND MR. GUDES ARE BETTER EXPERTS THAN I
15:38:50 AM.
15:38:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I THINK WE PROBABLY
15:38:52 NEED TO TIGHTEN UP, YOU KNOW, THE TOPIC THAT YOU WANTS
15:38:56 ADDRESSED.
15:38:57 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DO YOU ALL RECOMMEND INSTEAD?
15:39:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE
15:39:05 ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING BOARD, AND I THINK IT'S GOOD TO
15:39:11 HAVE, BUT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION AS REFERENCE TO
15:39:15 INDIVIDUALS, CHIEF JUDGE, OR PUBLIC DEFENDER, SO WE CAN ASK
15:39:19 WITH ABOUT THOSE ISSUES, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BAIL
15:39:22 REDUCTIONS, TYPES OF THINGS LIKE THAT.
15:39:24 I THINK IT'S KEEN TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF JUDGE.
15:39:27 HOW CAN THE COUNTY MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOME THINGS LIKE THAT AND
15:39:30 GET THEIR INTAKE.
15:39:32 I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THOSE FOLKS HERE SO WE CAN
15:39:34 ASK THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS AND HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE
15:39:37 AUDIENCE IN REFERENCE TO THAT WORK SHOWN.
15:39:40 >>BILL CARLSON: ARE YOU OKAY IF WE LEAVE IT AS REGULATIONS
15:39:43 WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF FEEDBACK
15:39:45 FROM THE PUBLIC.
15:39:46 WE COULD TAKE THAT FEEDBACK JUST LIKE WE HAVE THE BAYSHORE
15:39:48 ISSUE, GIVE IT TO WHOMEVER, AND THEN WITHIN THE CITY, CITY
15:39:53 ATTORNEY OR SOMETHING, AND THEN HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION
15:39:57 ABOUT IT.
15:39:58 THE IDEA IS TO HAVE ONE BIG DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF HAVING
15:40:01 LOTS OF LITTLE DISCUSSIONS.
15:40:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE YOU CAN WORK WITH THE CITY
15:40:04 ATTORNEY AND THE POLICE LEGAL ADVISER TO TIGHTEN IT UP
15:40:09 BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
15:40:10 AND THEN THAT WAY THEY HAVE A BETTER SENSE WHAT THEY ARE
15:40:15 COMING INTO.
15:40:16 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
15:40:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE THAT?
15:40:20 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, A SECOND FROM
15:40:23 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
15:40:24 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:40:25 ANY OPPOSED?
15:40:26 NO?
15:40:26 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:40:29 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
15:40:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
15:40:34 SO THAT WOULD BE THE AUGUST 27th, BILL?
15:40:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
15:40:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HAND IN HAND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE --
15:40:45 I HAD MENTIONED TO THE CHIEF AND YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT THE USE
15:40:47 OF FORCE POLICY, AND I AM GOING TO ASK OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT
15:40:52 TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR USE OF FORCE POLICY AS COMPARED TO THE
15:40:58 USE OF THE MODEL USE OF FORCE POLICY THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA
15:41:04 HAS ADVOCATED AND SEE IF THEY CAN COMPARE THE TWO, SEE HOW
15:41:09 THEY DIFFER, AND BRING BACK A REPORTED ON THE DIFFERENCE
15:41:13 BETWEEN THE TWO AT THAT SAME AUGUST 27th WORKSHOP.
15:41:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO I HAVE A SECOND OR ANY DISCUSSION?
15:41:22 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
15:41:24 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:41:27 ALL RIGHT.
15:41:28 ANY OPPOSED?
15:41:28 NO?
15:41:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE GOT A COUPLE MORE.
15:41:32 MR. CHAIRMAN, APPOINTED ME TO A STRAZ COMMITTEE, AND THE
15:41:43 STRAWS ORGANIZATION AT THE STRAZ CENTER IS HURTING VERY
15:41:47 BADLY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
15:41:51 EVERY YEAR THEY COME AND PROVIDE US WITH A STATE OF THE
15:41:55 STRAZ PRESENTATION.
15:41:57 I HELD OFF UNTIL WE ARE IN PUBLIC.
15:41:59 BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, I REQUEST THAT THE
15:42:04 JUDITH COME AND REPORT AND GIVE US THE STATE OF THE STRAZ
15:42:08 REPORT ON JUNE 25th PRIOR TO OUR BUDGET.
15:42:11 >> SECOND.
15:42:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
15:42:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WOULD BE ABOUT TEN MINUTES.
15:42:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER.
15:42:19 IT'S CERTAINLY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
15:42:25 JUST AN OUTSIDE INVITED SPEAKER.
15:42:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE, SIR.
15:42:29 WE SENT THE MEMO OUT --
15:42:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MONTHS OF JUNE?
15:42:33 WHAT'S THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY?
15:42:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN JULY WE HAVE THE 16th AND THAT'S
15:42:37 A REGULAR MEETING AND IT WILL BE HERE.
15:42:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY?
15:42:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S FINE.
15:42:42 THE CHAIR'S MEMO APPLIED TO THE MONTH OF JUNE.
15:42:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE STRAZ REPORT FOR ABOUT TEN MINUTES
15:42:47 ON JULY 16th.
15:42:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
15:42:50 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
15:42:52 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:42:53 ALL RIGHT.
15:42:53 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:42:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OR TWO MORE.
15:42:59 AS I STATED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE GET APPRAISE OCCUPIED WITH
15:43:03 THIS STUFF HAPPENING ON THE STREETS AND WE SORTED OF AREN'T
15:43:05 TALKING ABOUT COVID VERY MUCH.
15:43:07 AND I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE.
15:43:09 I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE USE THIS BULLY PULPIT TO
15:43:16 CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AS A COUNTY IN
15:43:19 REGARD TO COVID.
15:43:21 I LOOKED AT THE REPORT THIS MORNING.
15:43:22 I WAS -- IT WAS VERY ALARMING.
15:43:26 IT APPEARS WE HAVE 99 NEW CASES IN THE AND 66 IN THE CITY.
15:43:30 THE NUMBER HAS SORT OF PLATEAUED FOR A WHILE. NOW THEY
15:43:34 APPEAR TO BE INCHING UP WITH THAT.
15:43:37 IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
15:43:40 REQUEST THAT THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT SEND A
15:43:45 REPRESENTATIVE OVER TO US.
15:43:49 I AM GOING TO ASK FOR A LITTLE EXCEPTION BECAUSE I THINK
15:43:51 IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO DO IT, JUNE 25th.
15:43:55 AND IT'S NOT JUST A RUN OF THE MILL, YOU KNOW, REPORT FROM
15:44:00 SOME AGENCY.
15:44:01 THIS IS CRITICAL PUBLIC HEALTH.
15:44:03 I WOULD ASK COUNCIL'S INDULGENCE TO PUT THAT IN JUNE, SOONER
15:44:07 THAN LATER, SO THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN TELL US
15:44:10 WHERE WE ARE WITH COVID, NUMBER OF CASES, WHERE ARE THINGS
15:44:15 FALLING, WHERE I THINK THIS IS HEADED.
15:44:18 WHEN I LOOK AT STATE WIDE NUMBERS, IT'S SAD AND EVERYTHING
15:44:22 ELSE, BUT I THINK WHAT'S MORE CRITICAL IS THE TAMPA NUMBER.
15:44:29 WE CAN'T FIX THE WHOLE STATE BUT WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT'S
15:44:32 HAPPENING IN THE BAY AREA AND GETS THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION
15:44:34 BACK TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
15:44:36 SO THAT'S MY MOTION.
15:44:38 JUNE 25th, COVID REPORT FROM THE COUNTY HEALTH
15:44:42 DEPARTMENT.
15:44:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
15:44:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
15:44:46 DINGFELDER, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:44:48 I STATED IN THE MEMO NO PRESENTATIONS IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.
15:44:51 BUT THIS IS HEALTH RELATED.
15:44:53 THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MENTIONED
15:44:57 AGENCY.
15:44:58 AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NUMBERS HAVE PLATEAUED
15:45:03 BUT THEY MAYING GOING UP AGAIN BECAUSE THINGS ARE REOPENING
15:45:06 SO WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS.
15:45:07 IN THAT CASE, ALL IN FAVOR?
15:45:12 ALL RIGHT.
15:45:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST ONE I HAVE IS GOING BACK TO OUR
15:45:14 TPD DISCUSSION.
15:45:17 THE CHIEF GAVE US A LITTLE BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE CAN
15:45:21 INCREASE OUR DIVERSITY, OR HOW WE ARE TRYING TO INCREASE OUR
15:45:25 DIVERSITY.
15:45:25 BUT I WOULD LIKE A FORMAL REPORT FROM TPD ON WHERE WE HAVE
15:45:32 BEEN OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO IN REGARD TO DIVERSITY
15:45:36 NUMBERS WITHIN TPD, AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THE FUTURE
15:45:42 PROACTIVELY TO INCREASE THE DIVERSITY OF THE TAMPA POLICE
15:45:48 DEPARTMENT.
15:45:49 I'M NOT CONDEMNING THEM BY ANY MEANS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
15:45:51 WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
15:45:52 BUT I WOULD REQUEST A STAFF REPORT ON THAT ISSUE, AND I WILL
15:45:56 JUST BUNDLE IT INTO AUGUST 27th BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE
15:46:00 AN APPROPRIATE DATE FOR THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS.
15:46:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
15:46:04 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
15:46:05 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
15:46:07 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:46:10 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:46:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
15:46:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP TODAY.
15:46:16 THE CITY BUDGET FALLS ON PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER FOR THE
15:46:21 CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, INFORMATION OFFICE OF TAMPA
15:46:25 FIRE RESCUE, THE CITY BUDGET FALLS ON MARKETING AND
15:46:27 COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.
15:46:29 I MOVE THAT CITY COUNCIL DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDE
15:46:32 COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO HOW COMMUNICATION BY THE
15:46:35 ADMINISTRATION TO CITY COUNCIL CAN BE PROVIDED AND BY WHAT
15:46:38 MEANS IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED.
15:46:42 BY CHARTER AMENDMENT, ORDINANCE, EXECUTIVE ORDER TO THE
15:46:45 BUDGET, AND REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL UNDER STAFF REPORTS ON
15:46:49 JUNE 25th.
15:46:52 >> WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE
15:46:55 FIRST.
15:46:56 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:46:57 ALL RIGHT.
15:46:58 ANYTHING ELSE?
15:46:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, A COUPLE MORE.
15:47:02 WE TALKED A LOT TODAY ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS UNDERLINING THE
15:47:08 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
15:47:08 I WORKED THERE SO I DO KNOW THE ISSUE.
15:47:11 YOU MAY NOT HEAR IT ALL, BUT I WORKED IT.
15:47:14 I LIVED IT.
15:47:15 AND I UNDERSTAND IT.
15:47:16 AND I KNOW WHAT GOES ON OVER THERE PEOPLE STILL KEEP IN
15:47:19 COMMUNICATION WITH ME ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT'S NOT
15:47:22 HAPPENING.
15:47:23 SO THE REVIEW BOARD A COUPLE YEARS AGO. I THINK COUNCILMAN
15:47:29 VIERA WAS HERE, CHARLIE WAS HERE, GUIDO WAS HERE, AND PEOPLE
15:47:34 FEEL THAT BOARD HAS NO POWER.
15:47:36 AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, I KNOW THAT.
15:47:43 THE BOARD CAN'T HAVE SUBPOENA POWER PER THE SUPREME COURT
15:47:46 RULE WHEN MIAMI TRIED TO IMPLEMENT A SUBPOENA POWER PROGRAM
15:47:50 AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS.
15:47:52 SO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT'S NOT A THING THAT COUNCILMAN
15:47:55 MANISCALCO WILL BE ABLE TO DO IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, A
15:47:57 SUBPOENA PER SE BECAUSE THE LAW HAS PREVENTED THAT PROCESS.
15:48:01 BUT I THINK BEFOREHAND, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THE
15:48:04 ADMINISTRATION CAN DO TO LET THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT THERE'S
15:48:08 A PROCESS TO DEAL WITH POLICE ISSUES, AND THEN ONE IN
15:48:14 PARTICULAR.
15:48:14 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR CITY COUNCIL REQUEST THE
15:48:17 ADMINISTRATION OR TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW THE
15:48:23 HIRING PROCESS.
15:48:24 I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR NEW HIRES AND ASK THAT THEY
15:48:29 RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND
15:48:31 IMPLEMENTATION UNDER STAFF REPORTS ON JULY 16, 2020.
15:48:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND OR ANY DISCUSSION?
15:48:38 SECOND ON THAT?
15:48:39 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
15:48:41 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:48:43 ALL RIGHT.
15:48:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY LAST ONE, I MOVE CITY COUNCIL REQUEST
15:48:47 ADMINISTRATION TO AUTHORIZE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD FOR THE
15:48:49 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW THE USE OF FORCE POLICY
15:48:52 AND PROCEDURES ON AN ONGOING BASIS AS OUTLINED BY THE TAMPA
15:48:57 POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ASK THEY RETURN TO RECOMMENDATION AND
15:49:01 IMPLEMENTATION UNDER STAFF REPORTS ON JULY 16, 2020.
15:49:05 >> SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
15:49:07 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:49:08 OKAY.
15:49:09 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:49:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S IT.
15:49:12 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION -- THEY
15:49:25 ARE IN THE PROCESS OF -- I BELIEVE IT'S IN JULY THAT THEY
15:49:31 WERE GOING TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING.
15:49:32 AND I BELIEVE SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT YOU MENTIONED THIS
15:49:35 MORNING WOULD PROBABLY BE TOPICS THAT THEY HAVE THE
15:49:37 AUTHORITY TO BRING UP AND TO DISCUSS.
15:49:40 SO I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO EXTEND THE
15:49:45 DEADLINE DATE THAT YOU GAVE IN YOUR MOTIONS TO OUTSIDE OF
15:49:49 THAT DATE WHEN THEY PLAN TO MEET AS A GROUP AND DISCUSS
15:49:53 THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES.
15:49:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T MIND DOING THAT, ATTORNEY GRIMES,
15:50:00 BUT I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION
15:50:04 HAS TO REVIEW THIS WELL BEFORE IT GOES DOWN TO THE -- PUT
15:50:11 ALL THEIR CONVERSATIONS ALL TOGETHER.
15:50:19 >>GINA GRIMES: ONE OF THEIR AUTHORITIES IS TO MAKE
15:50:21 RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF ABOUT REVISIONS
15:50:23 AND ADDITIONS TO DEPARTMENT POLICY AND PROCEDURES.
15:50:28 AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MS. COTTON'S LETTER THAT
15:50:32 THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE
15:50:33 DISCUSSING AT THEIR NEXT MEETING.
15:50:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE.
15:50:37 AGAIN, MY MOTION IS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE AWARE SO WE CAN
15:50:42 MOVE THE ITEMS FORWARD.
15:50:44 THANK YOU.
15:50:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
15:50:46 DO WE VOTE ON THAT?
15:50:47 WE DID.
15:50:48 OKAY.
15:50:49 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:50:50 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
15:50:52 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:50:53 A GREAT MEETING, A LONG MEETING, BUT YOU CHAIRED IT WELL.
15:50:57 THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR.
15:50:58 I ALSO WANTED TO ESPECIALLY THANK AGAIN CHIEF DUGAN WHO WAS
15:51:03 HERE, AND WHO SPOKE A GREAT DEAL ON SOME LEVEL OF STRESS,
15:51:10 AND I THOUGHT SHOWED HIS HEART, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE
15:51:14 PUBLIC WHO CAME OUT HERE TODAY AND POURED THEIR HEART OUT TO
15:51:17 US.
15:51:18 I KNOW THAT WE ALL LISTENED INTENTLY.
15:51:20 WE LISTENED, WERE ENGAGING, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO
15:51:24 ACT.
15:51:24 JUST TWO SMALL THINGS.
15:51:26 JUST ONE, COUNCILMAN CARLSON REFERENCED THIS IMPLICIT BIAS
15:51:30 BUILDING ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY OUR COLLEAGUE CARLSON,
15:51:34 CITRO, GUDES AND OTHERS, AND THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AS
15:51:40 SUGGESTED BY OUR FRIEND MICHAEL STEVENS ON IMPLICIT BIAS, TO
15:51:45 BRING THAT BACK.
15:51:47 WAS THAT JULY 30, ANDREA?
15:51:51 I'M SORRY.
15:51:51 WAS THAT JULY 30th FOR THE IMPLICIT BIAS ORDINANCE?
15:51:56 >> CORRECT.
15:51:57 THAT'S YOUR NEXT WORKSHOP, PUT IT ON THAT AGENDA.
15:52:00 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
15:52:01 SO WE WILL BRING THAT BACK WITH SPECIFIC INQUIRIES FOR THE
15:52:04 ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF WHO WILL BE DOING THE TRAINING.
15:52:07 AND I GUESS WHO IS DOING THE TRAINING NOW?
15:52:12 IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS INTERNALLY DONE?
15:52:14 ARE THEY LOOKING AT OUTSIDE INDIVIDUALS IN ACADEMIA, CLERGY,
15:52:17 ET CETERA, WHO IS BEING UTILIZED FOR THIS, THE SUBSTANCE OF
15:52:21 THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING?
15:52:23 IS IT LIVE?
15:52:25 I WOULD ASSUME SO.
15:52:26 IN OTHER WORDS, NO VHS VIDEOTAPE.
15:52:30 THAT'S MY MOTION INCLUDING THE VHS PART.
15:52:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION FROM
15:52:36 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
15:52:37 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:52:39 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:52:41 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:52:43 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, A THOUGHT
15:52:46 THAT CAME TO ME THAT WE ARE STILL DOING -- EVEN THOUGH I
15:52:49 KNOW WE ARE NOT HAVING ANY CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES BECAUSE OF
15:52:54 COVID-19, POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH, FIREFIGHTER OF THE
15:52:56 QUARTER AND ATU WORKER.
15:52:58 IS THAT STILL GOING ON LIKE INDIVIDUALLY WITH COUNCIL
15:53:02 MEMBERS?
15:53:03 I GUESS COUNCILMAN CITRO, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:53:08 JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT LET'S KEEP THAT ON.
15:53:11 THAT'S A GREAT THING.
15:53:13 MAYBE WE CAN'T DO IT HERE BUT --
15:53:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY.
15:53:17 YOU HOPE IT'S STILL GOING TO BE GOING ON BECAUSE WE HAVE
15:53:19 SEVERAL MONTHS THAT WE NEED TO CATCH UP ON.
15:53:21 >>LUIS VIERA: GOOD.
15:53:23 JUST MAKING SURE.
15:53:24 INCLUDING ATU.
15:53:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
15:53:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
15:53:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN CLOSING REMARKS, I DON'T SEE WHY WE
15:53:34 CAN'T CONTINUE THAT, HAVE THEM STILL COME AND BE RECOGNIZED
15:53:37 THIS IS A BIG ENOUGH PLACE.
15:53:38 I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE.
15:53:40 YOU HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT.
15:53:41 BUT I ALSO WANTS TO SAY THAT MY OFFICE DID RECEIVE FROM PBA
15:53:45 THE 609.9 SOP FOR THE AWARD, RECORDING EQUIPMENT, AND I WILL
15:53:51 BE HAPPY TO HAVE MY AIDE SHARE IT ALL WITH YOU.
15:53:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:53:56 ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING?
15:53:57 NO?
15:53:58 I HAVE NOTHING.
15:54:00 REMEMBER WE METHOD MEET AT 5:01 TODAY.
15:54:03 TODAY WAS A VERY IMPORTANT DAY.
15:54:05 I MEAN, ALL DAYS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT WE LISTENED TO THE
15:54:09 PUBLIC AND IT WAS SO PASSIONATE AND WE LISTENED TO THE CHIEF
15:54:12 OF POLICE AND SO MANY OTHERS.
15:54:15 YEAH, WE JUST HAVE TO DO BETTER.
15:54:18 LIFE IS SIMPLE.
15:54:19 AND WE AS HUMANS COMPLICATE IT SO MUCH BECAUSE THE ISSUES
15:54:22 THAT WE STRUGGLE WITH, THAT WE FIGHT WITH, THAT SO MANY
15:54:26 PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, ARE CREATED BY US AND IT SHUNTS
15:54:31 BE SO COMPLICATED.
15:54:33 THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD STRIVE TO BE BETTER.
15:54:35 NOT JUST FOR OURSELVES BUT FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS AND
15:54:38 WHATNOT.
15:54:39 SO I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY'S HEART UP HERE IS IN THE RIGHT
15:54:42 PLACE AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID THIS MORNING.
15:54:46 AGAIN, THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
15:54:47 AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EVERYONE IN THE
15:54:49 CITY.
15:54:50 AND HAVING SAID THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
15:54:53 FILE?
15:54:54 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:54:57 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
15:54:58 ALL RIGHT.
15:54:58 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
15:55:05 WE WILL BE BACK AT 5:01 P.M. RIGHT HERE.
15:55:09 (MEETING ADJOURNED)
15:55:16
15:55:19
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