TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 30, 2020
9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP SESSION

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09:00:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP

VIRTUAL MEETING TO ORDER. ALL RIGHT.

IF WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.

(MOMENT OF SILENCE)

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]

ALL RIGHT.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

09:01:05 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.

09:01:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

09:01:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

09:01:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.

09:01:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

09:01:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

09:01:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NOW?




WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I

RECEIVED FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF?

09:01:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IF I COULD MAKE MINE FIRST, I WOULD

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY, THIS VIRTUAL

WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING HELD IN

ACCORDANCE WITH THE DECLARATIONS AND PROVISIONS OF THE

GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER 20-69 (FEEDBACK NOISE) AND

EXTENDED BY ... ALSO BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION ...

AND REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA

TECHNOLOGY, AND THE PUBLIC CAN VIEW ON CABLE TV AND THE

INTERNET, AND BECAUSE THE MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED --

THE FOLLOWING ALTERNATIVE METHODS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED

FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT.

VIA THE INTERNET OR WEB, BY VOICE MAIL, BY MAIL, OR TO

SPEAK REMOTELY VIA PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOW WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS RECEIVED IN WRITING, THEY

HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY

WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD WHEN THE ITEMS ARE

RECEIVED AND FILED.

AND THERE WILL COME A POINT IN TIME THAT PEOPLE WILL BE

ABLE TO HEAR THE RECORDED VOICE MAIL, AND THEN PEOPLE




WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SPEAK LIVE

REMOTELY, PREREGISTERED.

THOSE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC ARE ON THE CITY

COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPAGOV.NET/PUBLICCOMMENT.

ONE WORD.

PURSUANT TO YOUR MOTION, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT SAYS ON

THE AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN AT THE BEGINNING

OF THE MEETING, NOT YOUR USUAL IN-PERSON PROCESS WHERE

AFTER EACH WORKSHOP PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN.

EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT IT WILL

BE AT THE START OF THE MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BYE-BYE.

09:03:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.

BEFORE WE BEGIN, I RECEIVED E-MAIL FROM CHIEF OF STAFF

JOHN BENNETT REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 4.

HE HAS REQUESTED THAT THAT ITEM BE MOVED TO THE FIRST

POSITION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE OF SITUATIONS

BEYOND HIS CONTROL.

IF THAT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO OPINE ON THAT?

ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE, THAT MEANS THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF WILL

MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN

WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND 2 AND BEGIN FROM




THERE.

ALSO JUST A NOTE. THIS IS A VIRTUAL WORKSHOP MEETING.

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ITEMS.

MY GOAL TODAY IS FOR US TO CONCLUDE BY 12:30.

I KNOW WE COULD GO LONGER, BUT IF WE COULD KEEP OUR

COMMENTS PRECISE AND TO THE POINT AND TRY TO KEEP THIS

MEETING GOING.

WE NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE WITH LIVE CALLERS

STANDING BY AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME PRERECORDED MESSAGES.

ALSO, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, TWO SPEAKERS HERE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT, BOTH WITH THE ACLU, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT THEY

HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TIME.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.

THOSE SPEAKERS ARE JAMIE KLAPHOLZ AND ANOTHER IS MR.

JAMES SHAW.

THEY HAVE FIVE MINUTES EACH.

ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THAT?

ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE, THREE MINUTES, AND THOSE FIVE MINUTES.

CLERK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC

COMMENT.

09:05:40 >>THE CLERK:
YES, ABSOLUTELY, CHAIR.

THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAVE IS CONNIE BURTON.

MS. BURTON, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.




09:05:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONNIE BURTON.

09:06:03 >>THE CLERK:
I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE TECHNICAL ISSUES

WITH HER.

AND WE MOVE ON TO RISASI MILIMA? I THOUGHT I MIGHT MESS

UP THAT NAME.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:06:18 >> MY NAME IS RISASI MILIMA. I AM AN INTERNATIONAL

PRESENTER ON CULTURAL COMPETENCE, DIVERSITY AND

INCLUSION.

I AM SPEAKING TODAY IN SUPPORT OF AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING

THE CITY TO COMPLETE CULTURAL BIAS, COMPETENCE (AUDIO

CUTTING OUT) BIAS TRAINING.

AND IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT BE DONE BY

EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION, A LOCAL EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION TO

THE CITY, AND THE CITY IS ABLE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DO

THAT IN-HOUSE.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT BE DONE BY BONA FIDE AFRICAN

ERICAN ADVOCACY GROUP -- (FEEDBACK) BECAUSE IF THE CITY

HAS ALREADY DECIDED HOW IT WILL CONDUCT THIS TRAINING AND

SUPPORT IT, IT IS SIMPLY A CONTINUATION OF PLANTATION

MENTALITY AND CORPORATE MISGIVINGS.

TO WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE

PROCESS, AND THE PARTICULAR NUANCES IN PLACE NOT ONLY IN

TAMPA BUT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS VITAL TO NOT ONLY THE

MOVEMENT BUT VITAL TO THE CITY STAFF PROGRAM.




ALTHOUGH WE CERTAINLY ARE AWARE THIS WILL DECIDE IF THE

CITY MAY HAVE THE SKILLS, WOULD NOT HAVE THE OBJECTIVITY

THAT IS REQUIRED TO SUCH A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TRAINING.

IT WILL BE UNCOMFORTABLE.

BUT IT'S TIME THAT NEEDS UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS TO

BE HAD.

SO THAT THE PAIN TO REDUCE THE TRAUMA AND THE MISGIVINGS

OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE COUNTY HELP MOVE THE PROCESS

FORWARD.

I ASK THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE PUT FORTH BY

THE COALITION AND OTHER GROUPS THAT DEMAND FOR THE NEEDS

OF THIS IMPORTANT TRAINING.

THANK YOU.

09:08:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:08:51 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.

09:09:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

09:09:04 >>CLERK:
MR. BENJAMIN? YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

09:09:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. BENJAMIN? OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK

TO THE THINGS WE CALLED OUT.

YOU WILL ALSO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF WE COULD GO

TO THE NEXT PERSON THEN.

09:09:29 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT PERSON IS ZULEMA RAMOS.

09:09:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.




09:09:38 >> GOOD MORNING.

I BEING HEARD?

09:09:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, YOU ARE, GO AHEAD.

09:09:50 >> I AM WITH THE TAMPA BAY HOUSING JUSTICE COMMITTEE.

I HAVE LIVED IN THIS CITY ALMOST MY WHOLE LIFE.

I GOT MY DEGREE HERE.

AND I HAVE BEEN BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AMONG

OTHERS HARASSED, BLACK, BROWN, DISABLED AND -- COMMUNITY

MEMBERS IN THAT TIME.

AND BECAUSE OF THIS, I'M ASKING YOU ALSO TO SUPPORT THE

RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COMPETENCY VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE.

THEIR VERSION WILL REQUIRE BIANNUAL TRAINING AND MOVE

TRAINING TO BE DONE IN A CLASSROOM SETTING POST-COVID AND

WILL CALL FOR THE HIRING OF THE TRAINING PROGRAM RUN BY A

PERSON OF COLOR OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF AN INTERNAL PROGRAM.

AND THIS PROGRAM WILL ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH THE CHARTER

ENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY 75% OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.

ALSO, THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE CULTURAL COMPETENCY PROGRAM

CALLS FOR STRICTER, MORE PERSONALIZED TRAINING FOR FIRST

RESPONDERS THAT IS NECESSARY IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE

EQUIPPED TO SAFELY ASSESS ALL RESIDENTS.

SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE RATHER

THAN AN INTERNAL PROGRAM UNTIL WE COMPLETELY ABOLISH --

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF ME AND MY COMMUNITY.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.




09:11:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:11:24 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JAMES SHAW.

UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

09:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING.

YES, SIR.

09:11:39 >> I'M JAMES SHAW. I AM A PRACTICING ATTORNEY.

I PRACTICE DOWNTOWN. I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.

CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE GREATER TAMPA LEGAL PANEL, AND

SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE UNITARIAN

UNIVERSALIST CHURCH OF TAMPA, AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE OF

HILLSBOROUGH DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, BUT RIGHT

NOW I WANT TO TALK TO YOU AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA.

I WANT TO DO SOME MYTH BUSTING BECAUSE OF THE MYTHS ABOUT

CITY COUNCIL'S POWER.

FIRST OFF IS THAT YOU CANNOT CREATE A BOARD WITH SUBPOENA

POWER, EVEN IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND YOU

ARE UNABLE TO DO IT.

THERE ARE TWO BASES FOR THIS.

THE FIRST IS THE D'AGOSTINO VS. CITY OF MIAMI, 220 SO.

3RD PAGE 410.

IF YOU READ THAT OPINION, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.

IT SAYS THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS ONLY PROHIBITS

SUBPOENAS TO THE OFFICER, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS FAIR GAME

BUT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A BOARD CAN BE CREATED WITH SUBPOENA




POWERS.

IT'S JUST THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS.

THE SECOND BASIS FOR THAT IS THE GARCIA CASE, 573

SOUTHERN 2ND PAGE 932 SAYS IT CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT

AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION.

THAT WAS ONLY TRUE FOR MIAMI AND IT WAS ONLY TRUE BETWEEN

1968 AND 2001 WHEN MIAMI CREATED HOME RULE POWERS.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IN THE 1885 CONSTITUTION,

THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED DILLON'S RULE WHICH SAYS

UNLESS AUTHORIZED TO DO IT BY STATUTE.

IN THE HOME RULE, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THE STATE

LEGISLATURE CAN DO EXCEPT FOR SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT DON'T

APPLY HERE.

SO MIAMI WAS CARVED OUT.

1968 CONSTITUTION, AND THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO IT

EXCEPT MIAMI.

MIAMI HAD TO UPDATE ITS CHARTER IN 2001, AND NO LONGER

APPLIED, CAN'T DO IT.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT THE UPDATE

OF THE CHARTER IN 2019 HAS CHANGED SO THAT YOU CAN'T PASS

ORDINANCES AT ALL.

THAT'S ALSO NOT TRUE.

IF YOU LOOK AT 79.01 OF THE CHARTER, A FEW BOARDS IN THE

CHARTER ITSELF AND THEN IT SAYS MAY BE CREATED BY

ORDINANCE.




AN AD HOC COMMITTEE CREATED BY RESOLUTION UPON THE

RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.

SO THAT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT STANDING BOARDS LIKE THE

CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD CAN BE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.

AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THAT NEEDS TO

BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR.

BUT APPROVED BY THE MAYOR DOES NOT MODIFY THE ORDINANCE.

ORDINANCE IS SET FORTH IN SECTIONS 2.07 TO 2.10 OF THE

CHARTER AND OVERRIDING A VETO AND SO FORTH.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT

TOOK AWAY YOUR ABILITY TO OVERRIDE A VETO, FOR INSTANCE.

THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS REMAINS THE SAME.

THERE'S A LETTER THAT WAS CIRCULATED YESTERDAY BY AN

ATTORNEY, QUOTING IT, IT SAYS BY IMPLEMENTING THE

PROPOSED PROVISIONS, COUNCIL WOULD BE VIOLATING -- THE

CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION OF SECTION 112.533 SUBSECTION

2-A AND PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE REQUIRED INFORMATION TO CRB

TO COMMIT MISDEMEANORS BY VIOLATING SECTION 112.533

SECTION 4.

THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART.

CRB MEMBERS AND PERHAPS EVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE

ACCESSORIES.

THE STAFF FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT 15 YEARS AGO, SECTION

12.533 SUBSECTION 4 WAS HELD UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN A CASE

CALLED COOPER VERSUS DILLON, 403 FEDERAL 3rd, PAGE




1208.

IT ALSO NEGLECTED TO TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE LEGISLATIVE

IMMUNITY IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, THAT NO

LEGISLATORS, STATE, FEDERAL OR LOCAL, HAS EVER BEEN

ARRESTED FOR VOTING YES OR NO ON PENDING LEGISLATION.

SO THAT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

THE LETTER ALSO SUGGESTS THAT THE CHIEF MUST SOMEHOW BE

INSULATED AGAINST OPINIONS OF THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD,

THAT IT WOULD CAUSE GRIEVANCE.

THAT'S JUST A RIDICULOUS CONCERN.

THE CHIEF WOULD BE ABLE TO WAIVE THAT.

FOR A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE WORDS STRONG

MAYOR DON'T APPEAR IN OUR CHARTER, AND THERE'S NO

DEFINITION OF THAT.

THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES -- THAT BECAME THE

EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY VERSUS ELECTED DIRECTLY BY THE

VOTERS.

BUT THAT IS NOT A THING, ALTHOUGH THAT TERM IS THROWN

AROUND.

IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LEGAL DEFINITION AND DOESN'T COME

ANYWHERE IN THE CHARTER.

THAT'S THE END OF MY TIME.

THANK YOU.

09:16:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.




NEXT SPEAKER.

09:16:55 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JAMIE KLAPHOLZ.

09:17:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.

CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?

09:17:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, WE CAN.

09:17:09 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS JAMIE -- [RUSTLING PAPERS] I AM HERE TO SPEAK

ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH TO

ESTABLISH INDEPENDENT -- OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH INDEPENDENT POLICE OVERSIGHT

PANEL HERE IN TAMPA FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.

AND MY COLLEAGUES AND I SPENT MANY HOURS PUTTING TOGETHER

THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH.

WE DID OUR ORIGINAL RESEARCH AS YOU HEARD FROM MY

COLLEAGUE JAMES SHAW A MOMENT AGO AND WORKED WITH THE

LOCAL ACLU AND NAACP CHARTERS.

AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IS A TRULY INDEPENDENT BOARD

EMPOWERED TO ASSESS COMPLAINTS AND.

THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS A GOOD START AND WOULD

STAND THE SCOPE OF INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

MUST DISCLOSE --

(AUDIO DROP)

BY THE CRB WOULD BE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO FORWARD ANY

COMPLAINTS TO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD BUREAU.

UNDER OUR PROPOSAL IT ALSO HAS THE DISCRETION TO OPEN AN




INVESTIGATION OF ITS OWN.

AND SUBPOENA POWERS ARE SO IMPORTANT IN THIS CONTEXT

BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE CRB CAN

INDEPENDENTLY COLLECT INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE

ORIGINAL SOURCE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE FILTER

OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AN OVERSIGHT BOARD IN GENERAL, THEY ARE THE EXERCISERS OF

SUBPOENA POWER COOPERATION FROM WITNESSES.

BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE

THERE'S A CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE, WHETHER IT BE

SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FROM A STORE OWNER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO

TURN IT OVER OR A WITNESS WHO DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE.

SO IN THOSE INSTANCES, SUBPOENA POWER IS ABSOLUTELY

CRUCIAL.

AND THE CRB MUST BE ABLE TO ENGAGE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT

COUNSEL APART FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO AVOID

ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THE CRB, AND SUBPOENA THAT

MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE.

THE CRB ATTORNEY CAN BE AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE,

FOR ONLY A FEW HOURS OF WORK PER MONTH.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN INORDINATE LINE ITEM, BUT CAN BE

AN ATTORNEY LIKE OTHER CLIENTS AND JUST SPEND A BE FEW

HOURS PER MONTH ADVISING THE CRB, AND ADVISING THEM, YOU

KNOW.

NOW, THE MAKEUP OF THE CRB, OUR PROPOSAL CALLS FOR A




NOMINATING COMMITTEE BY CITY COUNCIL TO RUN THE

APPLICATION PROCESS, CONDUCT INTERVIEWS, AND SEEK

NOMINATION, AND FROM THE NOMINEES THE MAYOR WOULD APPOINT

FOUR MEMBERS AND EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINT ONE

MEMBER.

WE BELIEVE THAT NO ONE PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPOINT A

MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, AND IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING AN

INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE BOARD, WE CERTAINLY DON'T THINK

THAT THE MAYOR IS IN CHARGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN

CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF

THE MEMBERS.

AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUE JAMES SHAW, YOU DO

HAVE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL JUST LIKE ANY

OTHER ORDINANCE.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT PRECLUDES YOU

FROM DOING SO.

AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE

STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.

SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS JUST TELLS THE DECISION

YOU HAVE TO MAKE AND WE THINK OUR PROPOSAL REPRESENTS A

AND WE HOPE YOU WILL ADOPT OUR PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:21:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:21:44 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS SHARON GRAHAM.




IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:21:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SHARON?

09:21:56 >> HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:21:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, WE CAN.

GO AHEAD.

09:22:00 >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS SHARON GRAHAM, AND I OWN A PRIVATE PRACTICE

THAT SERVES ALL TAMPA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE REALLOCATION OF

FUNDING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO STRENGTHEN

TRAINING FOR OFFICERS, DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, AND

DIVERSITY INCLUSION AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY. THIS

TRAINING MUST BE PROVIDED BY OUTSIDE BLACK-OWNED FIRM TO

TRULY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.

DATA FROM CITIES ACROSS THE NATION SHOW THAT ABOUT 4% OF

OFFICERS TIME IS DEVOTED TO HANDLING VIOLENT CRIME.

IN SPITE OF THIS, WE HAVE SEEN INCREASED MILITARIZATION

OF THE POLICE FORCE NATIONWIDE, AND WE KNOW FROM OUR

BUDGET AND COMMUNITY THAT TAMPA IS NO DIFFERENT.

THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND MUST STOP.

THE QUESTION YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO

MAKE THESE CHANGES IN POLICY OR WHETHER IT WILL FALL TO

THE NEXT COUNCIL PERSON WITH WHOM YOU WILL BE REPLACED.




THE PURPOSE AND MISSION OF ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO

PROTECT AND TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.

CONSIDERING THE HISTORY AND ORIGINS, QUOTE, JUSTICE

SYSTEM IN OUR NATION, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, TO

BRIDGE THE TRUST AMONG OUR BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS.

TRUST FOR GOOD REASON, AND TAMPA IS NO EXCEPTION TO THIS

SYSTEMIC RACISM, WHITE SUPREMACY THAT IS PRESENT IN

POLICING.

SHALL CONTINUE RACIAL DISPARITIES THAT ARE GROTESQUE AND

UNACCEPTABLE.

WE MUST -- INVEST IN DIVERSITY TRAINING FREE OF CONFLICT

OF INTEREST AND DEESCALATION.

THESE ARE THE ONLY TECHNIQUES THAT SHOULD BE USED WITH

INTERACTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO THE DATA AND OUR

BUDGET MUST REFLECT THAT.

WE HAVE SEEN INSTANCES OF POLICE BRUTALITY OF CITIZENS

WHILE THEY ARE BEING ARRESTED AND THEY ARE SIMPLY

IGNORED.

THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL AND SHOWS LACK OF TRAINING OF

OUR OFFICERS.

THE REPEATED ESCALATION AND INTERACTION OF ALL CITIZENS

PARTICULARLY OUR BALLPARK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS IS

INEFFECTIVE AND UNACCEPTABLE.

A LACK OF LEADERSHIP THROUGH OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND ITS

INABILITY TO RECEIVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND IMPLEMENT




IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE AND UNTENABLE.

OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT OUR COUNCIL, MAYOR,

POLICE CHIEF AND POLICE OFFICERS CAN DO BETTER.

WE BELIEVE THAT MANY WANT TO DO IT.

WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE TRAINING THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO

IMPROVE AND MUST IDENTIFY THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO

IMPROVE AND REMOVE THEM FROM SERVICE.

I URGE YOU TO ADOPT THIS JUSTICE VERSION WHICH CALLS FOR

POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL TO HAVE LONGER AND MORE

THOROUGH TRAINING BY A MINORITY DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION

VENDOR HIRED FOR THE TRAINING.

THANK YOU.

09:25:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

WHO IS NEXT ON THE SPEAKER LIST, OR THE LAST SPEAKER?

09:25:52 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JASON MARLOW.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:25:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIR, IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

CAN YOU HEAR US?

09:26:03 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE MY TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FOR THE

OVERALL OF THE CRB.

AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, YOU ARE MEMBERS OF OUR GOVERNMENT

AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO OVERHAUL OUR CRB.




THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN HAVE A DIRECT INFLUENCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

HAVE A WONDERFUL MEETING.

09:26:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:26:31 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JULIUS ADAMS.

09:26:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JULIUS ADAMS, CAN YOU HEAR US?

09:26:43 >>THE CLERK:
IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:26:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:26:49 >> YES, WE CAN.

GO AHEAD.

09:26:50 >> MY NAME IS JULIUS ADAMS.

I'M A LOCAL ATTORNEY HERE IN TAMPA.

I LIVE IN TAMPA.

I HAVE DONE SOME WORK WITH NAACP AND ACLU ALONG WITH

JAMES SHAW, AND JAMIE KLAPHOLZ FOR THE NEW PROPOSAL OF

THE CRB.

MY COMMENTS ARE THIS.

THE PUBLIC OR PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC ARE JUST FED UP WITH

THIS GAP AND THIS LACK OF TRUST THAT WE HAVE WITH THE

POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S COME TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO

PUT FORWARD ITS VOICE.

AND I THINK AN ENHANCED CRB WITH SOME INVESTIGATORY

POWERS WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT START TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE




GAP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE PUBLIC.

WE HAVE TO FACE A HARD TRUTH THAT THE POLICE HAVE LOST

TRUST OF GREATER PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC, AND THAT IN

ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE TO REBUILD THAT TRUST.

IT SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAYOR, TO ANY ELECTED

OFFICIALS IN THIS CITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT PORTIONS OF

THE PUBLIC JUST SIMPLY DO NOT TRUST THE POLICE.

AND IN FACT IT SHOULD BE SEEN AS AN EMBARRASSMENT WHEN

YOU HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, AND WE MUST TAKE STEPS TO

TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.

NOW, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE

CONSIDERING WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE CRB.

WHAT ABOUT POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS?

THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS IS A STATUTE THAT IN ALL

HONESTY IT COMPLETELY ISOLATES LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES

FROM BEING REVIEWED BY THE PUBLIC IN ANY WAY.

AND THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

AND AT THIS TIME, THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN TAKE A STEP

FORWARD AND ACT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE

COUNTRY IN ORDER TO BRIDGE THIS GAP BETWEEN THE TWO

PARTIES.

THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN USED BY NAACP AND

ACLU HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR LEGAL EFFICIENCY BY ATTORNEYS

FROM BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.




AND I WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT JAMES SAID, THAT THE

PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES NOT VIOLATE THE POLICE BILL OF

RIGHTS IN ANY WAY, DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY CRIMINAL LAW OR

CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.

SO AS SUCH, I WOULD ASK THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT DOESN'T

VIOLATE ANY OF THESE THINGS, PARTICULARLY THE QUESTION OF

THE BILL OF RIGHTS -- I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LIFT THAT FOR

TRANSPARENCY AND POSITION OF TRUST.

THANK YOU.

09:30:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:30:06 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MARCUS KLEBE.

09:30:10 >> YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:30:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

09:30:15 >> MY NAME IS MARCUS KLEBE.

I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE --

WORKING WITH THE CAUCUS TAMPA BAY.

AS SOMEBODY WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CITY OF

TAMPA AND DIFFERENT ISSUES PRESENTED AND SPECIFICALLY

TODAY.

AND I'M SPEAKING TO SUPPORT WHAT SPEAKER SHAW SAID.

AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUE OF WHY.

AND WE WILL BE DRAGGING INJUSTICE INTO THE LIGHT.




WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT THE --

IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE THE PEOPLE THE

VOICE.

AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING, WHAT IS YOUR

DESIRED OUTCOME?

AND I WOULD SAY THE DESIRED OUTCOME IS TO BUILD AROUND

THE DESIRED OUTCOME WHICH IS TRANSPARENCY, TO BRING

INJUSTICE INTO LIGHT.

IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU HOLD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

ACCOUNTABLE, THAT YOU CREATE AN INDEPENDENT --

AND THE MAYOR SOMETIMES STILL TO THE POLICE.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO STEP UP

AND TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.

AND THAT IS WHY I AM URGING ALL OF YOU TO ALLOW IN THIS

PROPOSED ORDINANCE, TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A WAY AROUND

OBVIOUS OBSTRUCTION, DOCUMENTS THAT ARE LOST, STATEMENTS

THAT ARE NOT GIVEN.

YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE POWER AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA,

HILLSBOROUGH ARE LOOKING AT YOU, AND YOU HAVE AN

OPPORTUNITY TO BE LEADERS.

AND I AM CERTAIN THAT YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND

HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

09:33:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHO IS NEXT?




09:33:10 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER IS SAMUEL ROTKER.

09:33:14 >> HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:33:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, YOU CAN.

09:33:17 >> MY NAME IS SAMUEL ROTKER, A TEACHER HERE IN TAMPA.

WE TALK ABOUT PERSONAL CONFLICT INTEREST.

THE MAYOR APPOINTS BOTH CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE

ORGANIZATION, REVIEW OF POLICE CONDUCT.

THIS IS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

YOU DON'T GET TO PICK BOTH.

THAT IS NOT JUST.

THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT WHO REPRESENTS THE

CITIZENS IN TAMPA, THAT IS THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE DECISIONS OF CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, IT SHOULD BE IS

CITY COUNCIL THAT APPOINTS THE MAJORITY.

THAT WILL BE JUST.

IT WOULD BE JUST THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE THE ABILITY

TO SIT IN ON THE HIRING PROCESS OF TPD TO ACTUALLY CHOOSE

WHO GETS TO POLICE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

AND WHY WOULD THEY CARE?

THEY DON'T CARE.

BUT ABOVE ALL, HOW IS ANY ORGANIZATION EXPECTED -- WE

HEAR IT ALL THE TIME IN TPD.

IT'S NOTHING AGAINST TPD.

IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE.




THEREFORE, IT IS UNJUST FOR TAMPA PD TO HAVE FULL POWER

TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT.

CITIZENS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS

DIRECTLY TO THE CRB, AND HAVE INVESTIGATIVE POWER

INCLUDING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND THE RIGHT TO SUBPOENA.

THANK YOU.

09:35:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?

09:35:08 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER IS YVETTE LEWIS.

09:35:16 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME WELL?

09:35:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

GO AHEAD.

09:35:19 >> THANK YOU.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OFF WITH THIS PROCESS OF

TRYING TO GET INTO THIS MEETING IS AWFUL.

BUT, ANYWAY, LET'S GO ON.

MY CONCERN IS, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY BRANCH, BUT THE CRB SHOULD HAVE POWER TO

INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS, OKAY.

AND THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS A COMPLAINT SHOULD GO STRAIGHT

TO THE CRB.

THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE

CRB TO FILE THEIR COMPLAINTS, AND THE COMPLAINTS BEING

HEARD.

NOW, ANOTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE.




THE MAYOR MUST RELINQUISH CONTROL OF THE CRB, AND IN

ORDER TO GAIN TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE MAJORITY OF OUR APPOINTMENTS SHOULD COME FROM CITY

COUNCIL.

AND WE ARE GOING TO -- SO THE MAJORITY SHOULD COME FROM

CITY COUNCIL.

AND THE CRB, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, PLEASE KEEP THIS IN

MIND, THE CRB WAS DESIGNED FOR FAILURE FROM THE PAST

ADMINISTRATIONS, AND IT DID.

AND IT ALSO HURT THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT I THINK THE

COMMUNITY HURTS THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY, HURTS THE CITY OF

TAMPA, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER TRUST THE PROCESS.

IN ORDER TO INSTILL THE TRUST IN THE PROCESS, THE NAACP

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS PLEASE ASKING THAT CITY COUNCIL

HELPS INSTALL THE TRUST AND THE TRANSPARENCY IN THIS

COMMUNITY SO WE CAN LIVE OUR LIVES, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO

FEAR OUR LIVES FOR SOMEONE COMING AFTER US.

THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT Y'ALL TAKE THIS CRY OUT

SERIOUS, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR

MISTRUST.

ONCE AGAIN I AM ASKING THAT ALL OF Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT

THING.

DO THE RIGHT THING.

HELP US BELIEVE IN YOU-ALL.

THANK YOU.




09:37:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?

09:37:35 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ANGEL D'ANGELO.

09:37:38 >> GOOD MORNING.

HOW ARE YOU?

09:37:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

09:37:44 >> MY NAME IS ANGEL D'ANGELO IN TAMPA.

I AM ALL FOR GETTING THE CRB THE MAXIMUM POWER ALLOWED BY

LAW BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE GREATER COMMISSION HERE, TO

HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT THRIVES.

THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR,

AND COMMUNITY ACCESS.

I NEED TO TALK ABOUT ALLOCATING FUND AND SERVICES THAT

MATTER.

WE CAN DO THAT ALONG WITH THE CRB.

OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CITY-WIDE ANTI-BIAS,

ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, AND POLICE TRAINING.

THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR FOUR HOURS FOR

REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW FOUR

HOURS ARE GOING TO TEACH WITH RACE RELATIONS AND YOUR

IDENTITY, FAMILIAL STATUS, IMMIGRATION STATUS, NATIONAL

ORIGIN, ET CETERA, AND ONLY ELEVEN HOURS FOR POLICE, THE

FIRE DEPARTMENT.

ALL FIRST RESPONDERS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR FURTHER




TRAINING, AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH.

AT LEAST 40 HOURS, AND SHOULD BE AGREED BY AN OUTSIDE

BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS, TRANSGENDER PUT IN THERE.

AND THE PROCESSES OF THE CRB, WE CANNOT HAVE INTERNAL

TRAINING.

(AUDIO DISTORTION)

MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A TRUE ACCOUNTABLE TRAINING

PROGRAM THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY WILL MOSTLY BE DONE ONLINE.

IT NEEDS TO BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.

YOU SHOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN YOU LEAVE.

AND WE ALL HAVE BIASES IN THAT AREA.

IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE ACKNOWLEDGING IT.

AND IT'S TIME TO DO SO.

SO, YES, INCREASE THE POWER OF THE CRB AND FOCUS ON

COMING UP IN THE BUDGET AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON

THE CRB INVESTIGATING THE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE

THEM FOR?

SO LET'S GET EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, EVERYBODY FROM HR,

FINANCE, AT LEAST 40 HOURS, AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE CAN GO TO OUR JOBS.

THANK YOU.

09:40:33 >> CONNIE BURTON.

09:40:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONNIE BURTON, IF YOU ARE ON, IF YOU

COULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.




09:40:50 >> GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

09:40:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

09:40:53 >> YES, SIR.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, NUMBER ONE, I AM IN FULL

SUPPORT OF ALL OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.

NEVER WOULD I HAVE IMAGINED THAT WE WOULD BE AT THIS

POINT OF BUILDING A STRONG COALITION THAT WOULD BE ABLE

TO ARTICULATE AND HAVE UNITY WITH THE OUTCRY OF

COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER OCCUPATION

FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AS A FORMER RESIDENT OF PUBLIC HOUSING, I CAN TELL YOU

NOT ONLY WERE PEOPLE UNJUSTLY ARRESTED FOR STANDING WHILE

BEING BLACK, WALKING BLACK, RIDING BLACK, BUT SITTING

BLACK, SITTING ON A MILK CRATE AND BEING CHARGED WITH

BURGLARY, AND HAVE AN OFFICER MAKE REPORTS SO THAT PEOPLE

WOULD END UP WITH FELONY CONVICTIONS.

IT'S BEEN TEN WEEKS SINCE THE MURDER OF BROTHER GEORGE

FLOYD.

AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IS -- YOU KNOW WHAT?

WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AN

OFFICER INVOLVED WITH THE MURDER OF NOT ONLY GEORGE FLOYD

BUT WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING THROUGHOUT THIS NATION.

AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS THIS MOVEMENT THAT RECEIVES

THE FULL SUPPORT OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, AND IF YOU




ARE WITH THE --

IT WAS PAINFUL LISTENING TO THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING

LAST WEEK, AND LET'S REALLOCATE FUNDS SO WE CAN DO THE

RIGHT THING.

IT WAS PAINFUL.

HOPEFULLY, THIS VOTE, THESE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE

CITIZENS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THIS MORNING WILL NOT

INTENSIFY THAT PAIN AND YOU, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL

DEMOCRATS, ALL MALE, WOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO MOVE IN

THE DIRECTION OF OUR REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT

BOARD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:43:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:43:54 >>THE CLERK:
YES, SIR.

THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.

09:44:00 >> HELLO.

I GAVE MY COMMENTS, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME A

DO-OVER.

SOME OF YOU KNOW I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PUSH TO CREATE

THIS FOR YBOR BACK IN 2016.

THAT BOARD WAS PRECIPITATED BY A DOJ INVESTIGATION INTO

THE REPORTING THAT FOUND THAT TAMPA POLICE HAD A PATTERN

OF TARGETING BLACK.

OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE DAYS, THE TPD WROTE OVER




2500 TICKETS OF WHICH 80% WENT TO BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS

CITY, THE BLACK POPULATION IN TAMPA IS ONLY 22%.

SO KNEW THE LAWS WOULD NOT, AND THIS TRAINING CONTINUES

TO STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE

COMMUNITY.

THE PUSH FOR THIS REVIEW BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND

REMAINS ESSENTIAL.

THE COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED BY THE ACLU

AND NAACP.

THE BOARD WAS CREATED TO NEVER WORK, AND IT WAS DESIGNED

TO FAIL.

COUNCILMAN GUDES RIGHTLY PUT OUT THAT MOTION TO

RESTRUCTURE THE BOARD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO DO

IT NOW.

WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT IN THE STREETS.

YOU LOOKED INTO THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

PROTESTING, ANGER, THE FRUSTRATION, THE PAIN THAT PEOPLE

ARE FEELING.

WE STILL HAVE ISSUES.

AND I KNOW SOME LIKE TO SWEEP THEM UNDER THE RUG, SAYING

WELL THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

IT IS A BIG DEAL.

IT IS A BIG DEAL IN THIS COMMUNITY.




MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR DIED IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY TO

WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN JUSTICE IN THAT CASE.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN A FULL INVESTIGATION.

THAT IS WHY THE INDEPENDENT FOR THE REVIEW BOARD IS

CRUCIAL.

WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO HAS BEEN ON THE FORCE, AND PREVIOUS

CALLERS, THERE IS NO CREDIBILITY IF SHE ALSO APPOINT IT

IS MAJORITY OF MEMBERS TO THIS BOARD.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

THERE WOULD NEVER BE JUSTICE IF THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE

CASE.

THERE ARE MANY, MANY CASES.

WILCOX, NEAL, MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

WE HAVE ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM AND FIX THE

PROBLEMS, AND NOT WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO TWEAK THIS

BOARD AGAIN. THIS HAS TO BE DONE NOW FOR THE FUTURE OF

OUR COMMUNITY TO BEGIN TO HEAL THE RIFT WE HAVE BETWEEN

OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PROBLEMS IN POLICING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:47:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT SPEAKER.

09:47:40 >>THE CLERK:
CHAIR, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THAT DID NOT

LOG ONTO THE WEBINAR.




THAT IS SHABAN SHUKLA AND BRADLEY PARUK.

NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO RECORDED PUBLIC COMMENTS.

09:48:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?

09:48:02 >> WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FIVE.

THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS ALEXIA ROBERTS.

(PLAYING RECORDING)

09:48:13 >> I AM CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA.

E-2020-8-CH-18 PROVIDING CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD CHANGES BY

MAYOR JANE CASTOR.

I'M CALLING BECAUSE FIRST AND FOREMOST THE AGENDA FOR

THIS MEETING WAS NOT -- BY THE CITY.

THERE'S A LITTLE DISTRUST IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATION.

SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS

THAT MAYOR JANE CASTOR'S YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT -- IN THIS SUBJECT MATTER.

POLICE FORCES AND TEAR GAS.

THANK YOU.

09:49:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

NEXT.

09:49:26 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS DUSTRA HAYNES.

09:49:35 >> I LIVE IN ORLANDO.

I AM CALLING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, CULTURAL COMPETENCY

AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION TRAINING TO CHARTERED CITY

EMPLOYEES.

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRAINING AND CULTURE COMPETENCY.




ALL CITY EMPLOYEES THAT INTERACT WITH, INCLUDING

EMERGENCY AND ESPECIALLY POLICE FORCE.

TRAINING OF EMPLOYEES TO COVER ALL THESE AREAS MENTIONED.

(NOISE)

I ASK THAT THE TRAINING BE AT LEAST 40 HOURS OF TRAINING

EVERY TWO YEARS, PROVIDED BY AN OUTSIDE VENDOR IN

ANTI-DISCRIMINATION TRAINING, AND INCLUDE A PROGRAM THAT

CAN BE REVIEWED TO JUSTIFY THE PUBLIC AND IN-PERSON, FACE

TO FACE TRAINING.

IT SHOULD BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WISHES OF THE

VOTERS.

THANK YOU.

09:51:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:51:24 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JOSEPH

MCCLENNAN.

09:51:30 >> I SUPPORT THE AUTHORIZATIONS OF THE CRB TO REVIEW THE

POLICIES, THE PROCESSES OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT

REGARDING ANY PUBLIC SERVICE, ANY DETAILS THAT MAY BE

AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU.

09:52:10 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS SOPHIA SOBRITO.

09:52:17 >> MY NAME IS SOPHIA SOBRITO, 1503 EAST MULBERRY DRIVE,

TAMPA, FLORIDA 33604.

I AM CALLING FOR THE CRB TO BE INVOLVED IN THE HIRING

PROCESS OF TPD.




I BELIEVE THE CRB IS AN INEFFECTIVE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW

CHANGES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I BELIEVE THE CRB MEMBERS, THE SUBPOENA INVESTIGATION IN

INVESTIGATIONS.

THANK YOU.

09:52:58 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT WE HAVE TOPHER MORRISON.

09:53:04 >> MY NAME IS TOPHER MORRISON, A RESIDENT OF DAVIS

ISLAND, AND I OWN A BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.

I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE REALLOCATION

OF FUNDING FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BIAS DEESCALATION

TECHNIQUES AND DIVERSITY TRAINING, ESPECIALLY TRAINING BY

OUTSIDE FIRMS WHO CAN TRULY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE

MARGINALIZED.

ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL STATISTICS, ROUGHLY 95% OF ALL

POLICE CALLS ARE FOR NONVIOLENT INSTANCES.

IN ADDITION, OUR PUBLIC POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE TO

PROTECT AND THE PUBLIC.

THINK ABOUT IT.

WHY WOULDN'T A POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR CHIEF, AND THE

MAYOR BE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT INVESTING DIVERSITY TRAINING

IN DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, TO BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC.

WHY WOULDN'T THEY SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR BUDGET ON

DEESCALATION TRAINING INSTEAD OF COMBAT TRAINING?

THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, DETAILED PROTOCOLS.

IT IS VERY CLEAR NUMBER ONE, REQUEST.




NUMBER TWO.

COMPLY.

ALL THE POLICE BRING TATTLE VIDEOS WE HAVE SEEN --

TRAINING AFTER THE REQUESTS HAVE FAILED, AND ALSO SHOW

THE REQUESTS SEEM TO BE LACKING SOMETHING.

IT SHOULD BE REASONABLE IN THAT ENTIRE PROCESS TO ASK AND

EXPLAIN THINGS BEFORE THE REQUEST.

AFTER ALL, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN ASKING, WHY AM I

BEING ARRESTED?

AND THE OFFICER COMPLETELY IGNORES THAT.

THEY IGNORE THAT BECAUSE EXPLAIN IS NOT IN THEIR

TRAINING. THIS SEEMS LIKE AN OBVIOUS OMISSION FROM

TRAINING OF OFFICERS.

THESE REQUESTS ARE NOT FOR THE CITIZENS -- BUT IT IS

COMING FROM THE CITIZENS WHO BELIEVE THAT ALL POLICE CAN

AND SHOULD BE BETTER.

TRAINING THAT ALLOWS THEM TO, SO THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED

AND REMOVE THEM FROM THEIR SERVICE.

IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN MOVE CLOSER TO A POLICE FORCE THAT

NOT ONLY PROTECT OUR CITIZENS BUT SERVES THEM AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

09:55:32 >>THE CLERK:
THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT

PORTION.

09:55:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO DO, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR




WORK.

PUBLIC COMMENT HAS NOW CONCLUDED.

WE DID HAVE AN E-MAIL FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR ITEM

NUMBER 4, IF WE COULD MOVE THAT UP.

WE HAVE A BRIEF POWER POINT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL

GO INTO ITEMS 1 AND 2.

BUT CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT, IF YOU ARE READY TO GO, YOU

HAVE THE FLOOR.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:56:08 >>MARK BENTLEY:
GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL, AND

PUBLIC.

IF YOU BRING UP THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

STANDING BY FOR THE PRESENTATION.

09:56:39 >> IT IS UP.

09:56:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE

TO BEGIN.

09:57:04 >>MARK BENTLEY:
THANK YOU.

I DOESN'T SEE IT ON THE PUBLIC SCREEN.

THAT'S WHY I AM PAUSING.

CAN WE CHECK WITH BROADCAST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC

IS SEEING THE PRESENTATION?

09:57:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THE FACEBOOK BROADCAST, IT IS

SHOWING JUST YOUR FACE.

IT IS NOT SHOWING THE PRESENTATION.

09:57:35 >>MARK BENTLEY:
THERE WE GO.




09:57:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:57:42 >>MARK BENTLEY:
SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE,

PLEASE.

SO AS REQUESTED BY A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND

COUNCILMAN CARLSON BACK IN EARLY JUNE, THE REQUEST IS FOR

THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO HOW

COMMUNICATION BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO CITY COUNCIL BE

IMPROVED, BY WHAT MEANS IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, AND

FURTHER THAT A REPORT BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR CONSENT

AGENDA.

I SORT OF ADOPTED THIS MOTION TO KIND OF GIVE COUNCIL AND

THE PUBLIC A BRIEFING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE

BEEN TRYING TO DO ALL THROUGH THE COVID CRISIS, NOT

SPECIFICALLY TO COVID BUT CHALLENGED BY COVID, SINCE THE

ADMINISTRATION BEGAN.

AND AS WE KNOW, COMMUNICATION FIXES A LOT OF PROBLEMS,

BUT IT SOUNDS SIMPLE AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.

THIS IS A PROCESS OF SUPPORTING TECHNOLOGY, SO WHAT I WANT

TO DO IS WALK THROUGH A FEW SLIDES REAL BRIEFLY AND THEN I

WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO JUST FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW

COUNCIL IS AWARE, BUT FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, THE CITY'S

ORGANIZATIONAL CHART SPEAKS TO EIGHT DIFFERENT

ADMINISTRATORS.




THERE'S TWO IN PUBLIC SAFETY, AS YOU KNOW.

THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF.

WE HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE THE CFOs, ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR GENERAL ADMINISTRATORS, ONE OVER AT

CHIEF OF STAFF, INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY, ECONOMIC AND

DEVELOPMENT, NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND THOSE BASICALLY CREATE EIGHT LANES OF TRAFFIC OF

INFORMATION THAT COME TO US THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS.

AND THOSE THREE DIFFERENT CHANNELS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE

MAYOR'S MARKETING COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT,

TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SUPPORTING EMPLOYEES TO THOSE

DIVIDENDS THAT RELATE TO INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS, AND

THOSE WHAT I CALL DIFFERENT CHANNELS.

I WILL SAY THAT THE MAYOR HAS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT

ADDING TWO OTHER CHANNELS, ONE SPECIFICALLY TO

INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE

KNOW, AND THAT ALSO ONE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC

SERVICES UNDER MS. POST, AGAIN STILL COMING THROUGH

MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE

COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION DENSITY IN THOSE AREAS, WE

HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN ADDING POSITIONS FOCUSED ON

COMMUNICATION ON THOSE FUNCTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE.




SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WORKED WITH MS. ASHLEY

BAUMAN'S DEPARTMENT ON WAS TRYING TO STRUCTURE THIS IN

ANY MORE FORMAL PROCESS THROUGH SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS.

AND MS. BAUMAN ISSUED TWO AGREEMENTS, ONE FOR CITY

COUNCIL AND ONE FOR BASICALLY THE GENERAL DEPARTMENTS ON

HOW THEIR DEPARTMENT CAN BEST SERVE, AND WITH THE CURRENT

BAND WIDTH THAT THEY HAVE.

SO THOSE ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS.

WE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON

HOW WE CAN IMPROVE BOTH PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE

COMMUNICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BUT

CITY COUNCIL AND ALL OF OUR TRUST PARTNERS AND

STAKEHOLDERS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED THAT IS QUICKLY AND

EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS WHICH IS IN COUNCIL'S PRESENTATION FOR TAKEAWAY

KIND OF GIVES SOME DEPARTMENTAL LINE UP OF TRUE SUPPORTS,

WHICH DEPARTMENTS, AND IF WE NEED TO REACH OUT IN A

MOMENT OF DYNAMIC INFORMATION, THESE ARE SOME OF THE

CONTACTS THAT YOU CAN REACH OUT TO.

BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT SPECIFICALLY WHATEVER TYPE OF

INCIDENT THAT WE ARE WORKING OR WHAT KIND OF

COMMUNICATION IS NECESSARY THAT WE KIND OF DEFAULT BACK

TO THOSE EIGHT ADMINISTRATORS, AND IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING

WHAT YOU NEED IN THE TIME THAT YOU NEED IT, YOU CAN




ALWAYS GET AHOLD OF ME 24 HOURS, 7 DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS

A YEAR.

NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT MS. BAUMAN CREATED TO MAKE

SURE THAT CERTAINLY REQUESTS FOR PROACTIVE MANNER CAN BE

ACCOMPLISHED.

YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES IN TRAINING OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE

ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU JUST LIKE WE ARE THROUGH HER

DEPARTMENT, TO SUPPORT ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN

THE CITY.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE PROACTIVE PROCESS TO SET UP

AND DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER COMMUNICATION FOR THE

CONSTITUENTS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE PUBLIC, AND WHATEVER

YOUR NEEDS WOULD BE.

NEXT SLIDE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TOOK IN FOR CITY COUNCIL WHEN I

FIRST GOT HERE IS CALENDAR AWARENESS.

WE HAVE PARKS AND REC ACTIVITIES, SPECIAL EVENTS, TOWN

HALL MEETINGS, ET CETERA.

SO HAVING A DYNAMIC CALENDAR, THAT COULD BE BOTH

PUBLICATION AND INTERNAL PHASING WAS IMPORTANT.

SO BETWEEN MS. BAUMAN'S OFFICE AND RUSSELL HAUPERT'S

OFFICE AT T&I WORKING ON REFINING THESE CALENDARS SO YOU

AND YOUR STAFF CAN HAVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OF WHAT'S

GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, AND OF COURSE HOPEFULLY BEYOND




THE COVID CONDITIONS THAT WILL ALLOW BETTER OPPORTUNITIES

FOR BEING ON CAMPUS ON OR LOCATION FOR SOME OF THESE

EVENTS.

AGAIN, IF YOU NEED ANY INFORMATION ON HOW TO USE THAT OR

HOW TO ACCESS IT, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.

NEXT SLIDE.

I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE, BASED ON THE REVIEW THAT I

HAVE, WE HAVE SET YOU UP IN WHAT'S CALLED THE EVERBRIDGE

SYSTEM AND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE TEXT MESSAGING TO

CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING MR. SHELBY, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO

DO IS IMPROVE THAT SPONTANEOUS NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO ALL

OF YOU AT ONCE.

THERE'S NOT APPLY SITUATION SO WE ARE PROTECTING THE

SUNSHINE PROCESS.

THIS IS A ONE-WAY PUSH TO GIVE YOU SITUATIONAL AWARENESS

IN THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT COULD BE EITHER IN YOUR

DISTRICT OR CITY-WIDE ISSUES.

AND I HAD SENT A MYRIAD OF TEXTS OVER THE LAST MONTH, IN

A DATA FORMAT, AND OF COURSE FEEDBACK AND HOW THAT'S

WORKING FOR YOU.

IN ADDITION, WE HAVE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE I

MENTIONED EARLIER, A PROCESS OF HUMAN AND TECHNOLOGY

COMBINED.

WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE AUTOMATION EFFORTS TO

ALLOW YOU TO GET INFORMATION IN AS REALTIME AS POSSIBLE.




OF COURSE ALL THE INFORMATION ROLLS OUT FROM HUMAN

INTERACTION SO THAT PROCESS AND COACHING IS STILL A WORK

IN PROCESS AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REFINE ON

THAT.

ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE, AS YOU FORWARD TO THE NEXT

SLIDE, IF YOU COULD, THE ONE POINT BEFORE I OPEN IT FOR

QUESTIONS BUT FOLLOW UP IN ADDITIONAL EFFORTS AS THEY ARE

SUGGESTED IS THAT WE KNOW MEDIA AND INFORMATION MOVES

FAST.

AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU

ACCURATE INFORMATION BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO

IS -- AND YOU MAY SEE SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT

TAKES TIME TO MAKE SURE FROM THE CHAIN OF COMMAND DOWN TO

THE FIELD THAT IT'S EXACTLY AS ACCURATE AS IT IS IN THE

PUBLIC SECTION MEDIA REALM.

SO THAT TAKES A FEW MINUTES, HE OBVIOUSLY A FEW HOURS, TO

WORK THROUGH.

BUT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFORMATION IS NOT THERE

OR IT'S NOT THERE AT ALL, AND THAT'S A PART THAT WE ARE

WORKING ON.

BUT TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT BETWEEN ACCURACY AND

SPEED IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY TEAMS, AND I HAVE

SPOKEN TO MS. BAUMAN, AND OF COURSE OUR ADMINISTRATORS,

AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO WORK TO DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE




SURE THAT THEY BUBBLE UP THOSE PRIORITY INCIDENTS OR

PRIORITY SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN.

EVEN IF THEY ARE OVERNIGHT TO GIVE YOU SOME KIND OF

AWARENESS FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

I DO -- SCAN SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THAT COMES THROUGH,

ESPECIALLY IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SPACE.

CHIEF LOCICERO HAS SHARED WITH ME THAT HE WILL TRY TO

MAKE SURE THAT HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM GETS THE INFORMATION

FROM THEIR SPACE.

CHIEF DUGAN HAS ARRANGED FOR ME TO SEE A LOT OF THE

INFORMATION AS PUT OUT IN THE SYSTEM.

SO I CAN WORK AGAIN TO TRY TO SCRAPE THAT.

WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT AS A TEAM.

AS WE ARE TRYING TO GET YOU INFORMATION IN REALTIME AS

POSSIBLE, AND I DON'T CONTROL THE CONTENT, I JUST TRY TO

SHARE THE CONTENT.

I WOULD ASK YOU IF THAT'S BASED ON THE ADMINISTRATORS

THAT I SPOKE TO IF YOU WANT TO GET INFORMATION ON THEM

FOR CLARITY OR CONFIRMATION THAT WE BUILD OUR

RELATIONSHIPS TOGETHER, AND YOU DO REACH OUT TO THOSE

RESPECTIVE ADMINISTRATORS AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHIEFS, AND

GET CLARIFICATION, AND WE'LL TRY TO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS

AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND

FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN SUPPORT YOU FURTHER IN OUR JOURNEY




TOGETHER.

10:08:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

10:08:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NOT AT THIS TIME.

10:08:16 >> CHIEF, YOU DO A VERY GOOD JOB.

NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:08:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON?

10:08:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU, CHIEF.

JUST QUICKLY.

YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSION DEALING WITH THE COMMUNICATION

DEPARTMENT WAS SET UP TO PROMOTE THE MAYOR, AND THERE WAS

VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS OR CITY COUNCIL

OR ANYONE ELSE.

SO MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HEARD HAVE BEEN ABOUT

RESIDENTS NOT HEARING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT WHEN

INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE GOING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD,

WHEN THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE TORN UP.

AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT COMMUNICATION EFFORT.

AND THEN WHEN THE POLICE ARE AWARE OF PROTEST MARCHES

GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD, FOLKS WANT TO BE AWARE OF

THAT AND THEY WANT INFORMATION ON WHAT TO DO.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG CHANGE IN THE LAST YEAR, AND

I THINK THE MORE WE CAN DO TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT

THINGS THE MORE COMFORTABLE THE RESIDENTS WILL FEEL.




THANK YOU.

10:09:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:09:43 >> FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

IT'S VERY HELPFUL AS WE GO ALONG IN OUR JOURNEY.

I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING THAT I ASKED MR.

HAUPERT TO WORK WITH CONTRACT ADMIN ON THOSE BASIC NEEDS

IS TO AGAIN THE MORE AUTOMATION, AND MS. BAUMAN IS

PROMOTING THIS, THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN HAVE.

SO THE MAYOR HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT BASICALLY A GIS

PACKET TOGETHER OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND

THEIR TIMELINES, BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN WE SEE SOMETHING

STARTING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

OUR ROADWAY AND THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF NOT IN THE

PROJECT MEETINGS, THEY DON'T KNOW THE TIME LANE.

BUT WITH A SIMPLE CLICK OF THE MOUSE AND HOVERING OVER

THAT PERSPECTIVE DOT, WE CAN SEE THE TIMELINE AND OTHER

RESOURCES AND ACTUALLY SHARED WITH A LOT OF YOU OFFLINE

WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVING A WORKING MODEL TO SEE THE DATA

AND (BELL RINGS) AND AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY OR ON AN

APP.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

10:10:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHIEF BENNETT.

NEXT UP, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.




DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF?

10:10:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
Y NO, SIR.

10:11:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, I KNOW THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

10:11:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP

THIS MORNING AND ALSO CHIEF BENNETT.

I KNOW WE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT COMMUNICATION, AND

GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO COUNCIL, GETTING IT TO THE

PUBLIC.

I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IN TALKING TO YOU YESTERDAY IS

MAKING SURE WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN IN

A COUNCILMAN'S DISTRICT OR IN GENERAL, I KNOW MY DISTRICT

IS VERY BUSY.

I SERVE EVERY ETHNICITY, EVERY GROUP, AND RICH, POOR, AND

MIDDLE CLASS.

WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN I GET PHONE CALLS, AND ONE POINT

IN MY AREA, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A FIRE.

MAJOR SHOOTINGS IN MY AREA, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT

IT.

I DO THINK THAT IT -- THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S SAFE,

WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I GET A LITTLE PUSHBACK AT TIMES, AND I'M HOPING THAT

WITH THIS SITUATION, IT WILL WE'LL HAVE THAT, AND I THINK

NOT JUST HOW TO CHANGE BUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR KEEPING THE




COMMUNITY SAFE.

AND RECALL WHERE THAT COMMANDER OR ONE OF THE CAPTAINS,

THAT'S WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT

TYPE OF COMMUNICATION GOING ON.

SO WHEN WE GET A CALL, WE HAVE SITUATIONS -- SOMETHING

IS -- I'M HOPING THERE'S A BETTER SYSTEM IN PLACE.

I YIELD BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN.

10:12:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER

GUDES.

COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.

10:13:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

NOTHING TOO LENGTHY.

I JUST WANT TO SALUTE THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR

CONSTANT CONTACT WITH US.

I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT THROUGH MY

CONSTITUENTS ON SO MANY ISSUES, AND BY AND LARGE IT'S

ALWAYS BEEN CHIEF BENNETT.

CHIEF BENNETT KNOWS OF MY SENTIMENTS WITH REGARDS TO HIM,

AND HE'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT HE IS, I THINK HE'S

STELLAR AND HE ALWAYS DOES A STELLAR JOB IN TERMS OF

KEEPING US UPDATED.

AGAIN, I SAY THAT FROM EXPERIENCE.

JUST OVER THE LAST SEVERAL -- NOT ONLY COVID ISSUES BUT

ALSO CIVIL DISTURBANCES, AND WHATNOT, THE LOOTING THAT




OCCURRED IN THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.

NOT ONLY ON THAT ISSUE BUT ALSO ON A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY

SENTIMENTS AND BUSINESSES AFFECTED, ET CETERA.

SO JUST FOR ME, I THINK IT'S A SALUTE THEM FOR THEIR HARD

WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

10:14:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JUST TO WRAP UP, CHIEF.

YOU DO A WONDERFUL JOB.

I THINK YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND YOUR OFFICE HAS

ALWAYS BEEN VERY GOOD.

I HAVE OFTEN SAID THAT YOU WORK TOO MUCH AND TOO HARD.

BUT YOU ARE UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, ALWAYS VERY

RESPONSIVE.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING ELSE, CHIEF?

10:14:36 >>MARK BENTLEY:
NO.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

AGAIN, IT'S A STATUS OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT SO WE'LL

WORK TOWARDS IT.

10:14:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT SETTLES ITEM NUMBER 4.

WE WILL NOW GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND CONTINUE THROUGH

THE AGENDA.




ITEM NUMBER 1 WHO FROM STAFF WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN THE

DIALOGUE HERE?

10:15:03 >>GINA GRIMES:
THIS IS GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.

AND I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 1 AND 2 UNDER THE STAFF

REPORTS.

TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION MADE BACK IN JUNE

REGARDING THE CRB'S AUTHORITY.

AND I AM GOING TO BE JOINED IN THIS PRESENTATION THIS

MORNING BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE BRIAN DUGAN, BY CHIEF

ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY URSULA RICHArdSON AND ALSO BY

CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT.

IN ADDITION TO RESPONDING TO YOUR TWO REQUESTS AT THIS

TIME WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME ADDITIONAL

MEASURES OF THE AUTHORITY AND ROLE OF THAT CITIZENS

REVIEW BOARD.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSAL IS TO APPROVE THE --

IMPROVE THE ACCESSIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY OF TPD

OPERATION.

AND IN AN EFFORT TO IN TURN IMPROVE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST.

AND CHIEF DUGAN AND MS. RICHARDSON WILL GO OVER OUR

PROPOSAL WITH YOU IN MORE SPECIFIC DETAIL.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL LEGAL AND POLICY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH

HOW THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED OR PERMITTED TO EXPAND THE

CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD'S ROLE AND POWER.




AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE MANY GROUPS AND

INDIVIDUALS WITH VERY STRONG CONVICTIONS REGARDING THIS

SUBJECT.

AND WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES WITH THOSE

VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS SPECIFICALLY, THIS MORNING YOU HEARD

FROM THE ACLU THAT THE CITY'S' PROPOSAL DOES NOT GO FAR

ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO DO MORE.

AT THE SAME TIME YOU ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER YESTERDAY

FROM THE PBA THAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL GOES TOO

FAR AND IT SHOULD BE SCALED BACK.

I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THE FACT THAT THE ACLU THINKS THAT

THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH, BUT THE PBA THINKS

IT GOES TOO FAR.

I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT MEANS THAT IT IS LIKELY

THIS PROPOSAL WAS SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

AND IN FACT IT GOES FAR ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO FAR.

AND I THINK WE STRUCK A PROPER CORD WITH HOW THE CRB'S

POWER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

AND I REALIZE THIS IS A LOT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER

AND THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP THIS MORNING AND NO ACTION

SHALL BE TAKEN AND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND

CONSIDER ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

IN FACT, SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY

MADE AND PROVIDED TO US THEIR PROPOSED REVISION TO THE

ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL AND MOST OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS




ARE (SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO

CHIEF DUGAN AND URSULA RICHARDSON.

AT THE END OF THEIR PRESENTATION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT

THAT WE ALSO ADDRESS THAT OUR LEGAL AND POLICY ISSUES

IDENTIFIED BY BOTH THE ACLU AND THE PBA.

10:18:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD CHIEF.

10:18:41 >>CHIEF DUGAN:
CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HAVING BEEN EXPOSED TO THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS,

EXISTING ROLE OF THE CRB IS TO REVIEW INTERNAL TPD

INVESTIGATIONS REGARDING USE OF FORCE, AND WHETHER THIS

IS IN ACCORD WITH POLICIES AND PROCEDURE.

THEY ALSO REVIEWED CASES AND ISSUE IMPORTANCE OF INTEREST

TO COMMUNITY AND CITY REGARDING TPD HANDLING OF ISSUES

AND WHETHER VISIONS OF TPD POLICIES ARE APPROPRIATE.

ALONG WITH THE CHANGES REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL, THE

CITY HAS ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS REGARDING THE CRB.

PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL DUTIES OF THE

CRB.

ADDITIONAL DUTIES

PURPOSE FOR ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT

COMMUNITY COMMENT AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID IT WAS

LOOKING FOR IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SUGGEST PROPOSALS

TO THE CRB ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROMOTE AND ENSURE

CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, CONDUCT, AND IMPROVE THE PUBLIC




TRUST.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT WAS ALSO FOR THE PURPOSE OF

INCREASING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF CITIZENS TO THE CRB,

INCREASING THE CRB'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE REVIEW AND

DISCIPLINARY PROCESS AND ENHANCING THE CRB VISIBILITY IN

THE COMMUNITY.

AS A PART OF THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH THESE

PROPOSALS, WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE

STATE OF FLORIDA AND WE TRIED TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE STATE

OF FLORIDA JUST BECAUSE WEIGHED THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE

OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT FLORIDA JURISDICTIONS, AND THEIR

FUNCTIONS AND THEIR DUTIES.

WE ALSO WENT FURTHER SINCE WE HAD OUR EXISTING CITIZENS

REVIEW BOARD IN PLACE NOW FOR FIVE YEARS TO SPEAK TO

CURRENT AND EXISTING MEMBERS INCLUDING THE CURRENT CHAIR

OF THE BOARD, TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND INPUT FOR

THINGS THAT MAY FURTHER THEIR PURPOSE FOR THE BOARD.

WE LOOK AT LITERATURE AND ARTICLES [RUSTLING PAPERS],

COVERED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD

RESOURCE.

OF COURSE, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WE MOST CERTAINLY --

TO THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE NOT

RUNNING AWE FOUL WITH THAT AND ALSO WENT THROUGH THE

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING [RUSTLING PAPERS] SECTIONS THAT




WILL BE APPLICABLE AND OF COURSE LOOKING AT CASE LAW THAT

IS EVALUATED WITH BOARD AND OTHER ISSUES ASSOCIATED THERE

WITH.

SO THIS IS NOT JUST A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE -- BUT

MAKING SURE ALONG THE WAY THAT STAKEHOLDERS WHICH GINA

MENTIONED, AND WE HAD SEVERAL HOURS OF CONVERSATION AT

THIS POINT WITH THE ACLU.

WE HAVE ALSO SPOKEN WITH THE NAACP, AND AGAIN THE CURRENT

AND PAST MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND GETTING INPUT FROM

THEM AS WELL THAT WE ARE MOVING THROUGH THIS

CONVERSATION.

THE FIRST SECTION THAT I WANT TO COVER IS THE ADDITIONAL

DUTIES OF THE CRB.

RIGHT I KNOW IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS 18-8, IN

THAT ORDINANCE, THE DUTIES OF THE CRB ARE SET FORTH IN

SUBSECTION C.

IN SUBSECTION C, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS IN ADDITION TO

THOSE EXISTING DUTIES THAT THE CHIEF JUST MENTIONED TO

YOU, ADDING THE REVIEW ALLOWING CRB TO REVIEW CERTAIN

PENDING INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

THE MORE SIGNIFICANT AND SUBSTANTIAL THINGS INVOLVING THE

USE OF FORCE, THE USE OF SOP 538, WHICH IS THE RESISTANCE

WHICH COVERS THOSE THINGS LIKE THE TASER, THE USE OF

K9s, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ALSO UNDER MOR 1600 AND MOR

1800 WHICH ARE ALSO TICKET ITEMS THAT BASICALLY WILL BE




OF INTEREST OF COMMUNITY.

WE WERE NOT IN THE PROCESS OF PROPOSING THAT THEY LOOK AT

THINGS LIKE OFFICERS MISSING COURT OR THINGS THAT HAPPEN

WITH THE EXTRA DUTY BUT TRYING TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS.

AND WE ARE LOOKING AT CLOSED AND COMPLETED USE OF FORCE

INCIDENTS ONLY, AND IT'S AFTER ALL HAVE BEEN MADE AS FAR

AS DISPOSITION OF THE COMPLAINT AND ALSO ALL DECISIONS

HAVE BEEN MADE REGARDING HOW AN OFFICER MIGHT BE

DISCIPLINED FOR THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT IF HE WAS FOUND

IN VIOLATION OF THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES.

WE PROPOSE AT THIS POINT THAT THE CRB BE ABLE TO

INTERVENE AND HAVE SOME INPUT AFTER WHAT'S CONSIDERED THE

INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE

OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS MAKES THE INVESTIGATION

CONFIDENTIAL, SO THAT MEANS ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED

WITH THE INVESTIGATION, WITNESSES, THAT TESTIFIED,

EVIDENCE THAT'S GATHERED, ALL OF THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL

ACCORDING TO THE OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS, UNTIL A

DISPOSITION HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND THE OFFICER IS

NOTIFIED OF THE POTENTIAL THAT HE MAY BE DISCIPLINED FOR

A VIOLATION OF POLICY.

THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE PROPOSE THAT THE CRB WOULD

HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN REVIEW THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES,

AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THEIR

DISPROPORTIONS OF THE COMPLAINT AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL




DISCIPLINE, OBVIOUSLY ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CRB

WOULD MAKE, AND THEY WOULD GET TRAINING IN THESE

DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHERE THE

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT

INTERNAL PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATION CONSIDERING THEY

GET THE EDUCATION SO THEY WILL KNOW HOW AND WHERE THEY

COULD WEIGH IN ON THAT SITUATION.

THE OTHER, BASED ON YOUR MOTION THAT YOU PROPOSED BACK ON

JUNE 4, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL DUTY

THAT THE CRB WILL REVIEW THE HIRING, THE CRITERIA FOR

PERSPECTIVE NEW OFFICERS AND ALSO PARTICIPATE IN A NEW

ENERGY PANEL.

AS WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL'S MOTION IN

CONSULTATION BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS BUILT CHIEF,

WHAT WE ENVISION FOR THE INVOLVEMENT FOR THE CRB IS

HAVING AN INTERVIEW PANEL THAT WILL CONSIST OF

APPROXIMATELY FIVE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE OUTSIDE RETIRED

POLICE OFFICERS, THREE INTERNAL POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEN

A MEMBER OF THE CRB AND PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED A WAY FOR

THEM TO SUGGEST MEMBERS AND ALSO ROTATE SO EVERY MEMBER

OF THE BOARD GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE HIRING

EXPERIENCE, AND THAT OF COURSE AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS,

WE ENVISION AS PART OF THE THEIR EDUCATION THEY WILL GET

TO LEARN WHAT MINIMUM MANDATORY CRITERIA IS REQUIRED BY

FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND ALSO WHAT THE




TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS AS MINIMUM

QUALIFICATIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE FLORIDA

DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUIRED.

AND OF COURSE THEIR PARTICIPATION, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BY

EDUCATING THEM WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE

DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY STANDARDS.

AN ADDITIONAL DUTY UNDER SECTION E IN THE CURRENT

ORDINANCE WE ARE PROPOSING -- AND THIS IS WHAT YOU MAY

HAVE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER IN THE PBA LETTER THAT WAS SENT

YESTERDAY -- IS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING OF COURSE WITHIN

THE CONFINES OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS, JUST SO THE

CRB IS AWARE OF WHAT KIND OF COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN,

THAT THEY WILL RECEIVE A MONTHLY NOTIFICATION OF ALL NEW

COMPLAINTS RECEIVED, OF COURSE PROPERLY REDACTED IN ORDER

TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION BUT

EXISTENCE OF A COMPLAINT WE BELIEVE IS PROPERLY SOMETHING

THAT THE CRB CAN SEE THAT A COMPLAINT WAS MADE IF GIVEN A

CERTAIN CASE NUMBER, THAT THE COMPLAINT COME IN WITHOUT

ANY PARTICULARLY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION THAT MAY EXPOSE

I GUESS IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT CONFIDENTIALITY SO THAT

THEY ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY CAN KEEP TRACK WHAT THE

STATUS OF THAT INVESTIGATION IS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CRB OF COURSE CURRENTLY HAS

THE LIBERTY TO DO, BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT

EXCLUSIVELY AT CLOSED INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASES AND THEY




RECEIVE A LIST OF THOSE CASES AND THEY SELECT FROM THAT

LIST AND THEN THEY REVIEW, BUT NOT NECESSARILY KNOWING

THAT THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE EVEN EXISTING IN THE FIRST

PLACE.

SO WE WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO

MONITOR COMPLAINTS FROM THEIR COMPLETION AND ALSO KEEP AN

EYE OUT FOR TRAINING THAT MAY BE HAPPENING WHEN THEY

RECEIVE THAT LIST, SO THEY KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON IT.

WE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THE CRB BE ABLE TO RECEIVE

COMPLAINTS CURRENTLY FOR RECEIPT OF COMPLAINTS THROUGH

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND VARIOUS WAYS THAT A PERSON CAN

MAKE A COMPLAINT, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT BE

MORE COMFORTABLE WITH SENDING COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY TO THE

CRB ITSELF.

WE ANTICIPATE THAT BASICALLY THERE HE WOULD BE A CRB

E-MAIL WHERE THAT WOULD BE RECEIVED.

AND OF COURSE THAT E-MAIL IN ITSELF WILL BE PROTECTED,

AND ALSO CONFIDENCE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT REQUIRES BY THE

OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS BUT IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE

CHAIR OF THE CRB AND THEN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS

COORDINATOR OR THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD COORDINATOR TO

MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED IN THAT

E-MAIL ARE MOVED TO THE PROPER PROCESSING.

AND AS WE RESEARCHED, WE LEARNED THAT THE CRB CONDUCT A

COMMUNITY SURVEY BACK IN 2018 THAT BASICALLY PROBED THE




COMMUNITY'S PROFESSION OF TPD ENGAGEMENT AND ALSO SOME OF

THEIR POLICIES, AND THAT PARTICULAR SURVEY WAS VERY

HELPFUL AND THE CHAIR WAS VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THE FACT

THAT THAT WAS HOW THE CRB LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THINGS IN

LIGHT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ARE, AND NO MATTER

WHAT THE STATUS WAS, WHETHER IT WAS FEMALE, WHETHER

GENDER, OR ECONOMIC STATUS, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS

RACE, THE TOP FIVE CATEGORIES WERE THE SAME FOR ALL

PEOPLE.

THE PRIORITY OF THOSE CATEGORIES MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT

BUT THEY WERE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT THE STATUS WAS.

AND SO SEEING HOW HELPFUL THAT HAS BEEN, AND THAT IT

WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE MANDATING THAT THE CRB CONDUCT A

COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY THREE YEARS, THERE'S ROOM FOR

CHANGE, THE FREQUENCY OF THAT, BUT EVERY THREE YEARS IS

WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

DO THAT.

MOVING TO THE NEXT SECTION, WE HAVE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL

DUTIES FOR THE CRB COORDINATOR, AND IN YOUR CURRENT

ORDINANCE, THE CRB COORDINATOR, CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE

CAPPED PD AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS AS PART OF

ADDITIONAL DUTIES IS THAT HE QUO DO WORKSHOPS TO TRAIN

THE CRB ON ALL THE THINGS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND POLICE

WORK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY HAVE

OVERSIGHT OVER THE DEPARTMENT.




WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE COORDINATOR WOULD THEN TRAIN THE

CRB MEMBERS AT LEAST BIANNUALLY OR THEY CAN ELECT, THEY

MEANING THE BOARD, CAN ELECT TO BE TRAINED MORE

FREQUENTLY, IF THEY JUST REALLY NEED MORE INFORMATION

ABOUT.

AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE POLICY STANDARD, POLICIES

ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT ETHICS, POLICIES,

GRIEVANCE PROCESS, PUBLIC RECORDS, THE HIRING PROCESS OF

BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING AT LEAST AT EACH MEETING THAT THE

CAPTAIN GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THESE TOPICS

SO THE CRB IS CONSTANTLY BEING EDUCATED ABOUT LAW

ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK SO THAT THEY ARE

ALWAYS CURRENT IN THE KNOWLEDGE FOR OVERSEEING THE

PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT.

WE WOULD ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT AN ADDITIONAL DUTY FOR THE

COORDINATOR OF CRB WOULD BE TO NOTIFY THE CRB WHICH NOW

THEY MAY GET INFORMATION BY THEIR ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE

FOR CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN OBLIGATION

BY THE CAPTAIN OF PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS TO TELL THE CRB

IN ADVANCE, 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT

IMPLEMENTING A NEW USE OF FORCE POLICY, TO BASICALLY GIVE

THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, I KNOW THEM ABOUT THE POLICY, AND

ALSO HAVE THE COORDINATOR GIVE SOME EXPANSION TO THEM




ABOUT THE POLICY DIRECTION OF WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING, AND

TO BE ALLOW THE CRB TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THAT.

AND THIS WOULD ALSO APPLY NOT JUST TO NEW POLICIES THAT

MAY BE PUT ONLINE.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET A NEW USE LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL IF WE

GET NEW TASERS AND THINGS THAT I USE, BUT IF THEY GET A

NEW TOOL LIKE A TASER, YOU WE HAVE TO PROMULGATE A POLICY

THAT REGULATES AND CONTROLS THAT SO THEY WOULD KNOW IN

ADVANCE THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS TOOL, BUT, B, WHAT THE

RULES WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TOOL.

AND WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD BE NOTIFIED IF

THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO ANY

EXISTING USE OF FORCE POLICY.

AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COORDINATOR

WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE.

AND ALSO IN THE CURRENT STATUTES RIGHT NOW, YOUR

ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS UNDER SUBSECTION G, THERE

IS ALREADY A REPORT THAT THE CRB PROVIDES OWN AN ANNUAL

BASIS TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN

AND WHAT WE PROPOSE FOR BEEFING UP THE ADDITIONAL REPORT.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SUGGESTIONS THAT THE

COORDINATOR OR CHAIR OF THE CRB COME AND PRESENT THAT

WHICH IS A GOOD SUGGESTION, THAT THE CHAIR OF THE CRB

WOULD COME ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT TO

PRESENT IT FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO




LEARN WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING.

AND AS A PART OF THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT ANNUAL REPORT

WOULD NECESSARILY INCLUDE THE CRB'S ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO

COMMENT ON THE SERVICE, AND ALSO FOR THEM WHO HAVE BEEN

PERFORMING THE WORK TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE

CHANGES, ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.

GOING TO YOUR SECTION ABOUT QUALIFICATIONS AND PROMISE

ABOUT QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, THE MEMBERSHIP, WHICH

IS CURRENTLY IN SECTION D OF THE ORDINANCE 18-8-A, WE

WOULD PROPOSE THAT ADDITIONAL MEMBERS DISQUALIFICATION

WOULD BE IF YOU WERE ARRESTED BY THE TPD, BECAUSE IT'S

SUPPOSED TO BE AN UNBIASED PANEL, OR IF YOU ARE SUING OR

IF YOU HAVE SUED TPD, NOT FOR INJURY ACCIDENT OR

SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BUT WITH SOME TYPE OF ACTIVE

POLICE ACTIVITY SUCH AS MAKING AN ARREST OR USE OF FORCE,

THAT WOULD BE A DISQUALIFIER.

AND IF YOU MAKE A NEW CLAIM WHILE SERVING ON THE BOARD,

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BASICALLY NECESSITY

YOUR REMOVAL OF THE BOARD IF YOU IMPLEMENT A NEW LAWSUIT

FOR THOSE PURPOSES.

WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIP FROM

ORGANIZATIONS.

RIGHT IN AND OUT THE WAY THE BOARD IS STRUCTURED, THAT

THEY ARE FIVE MEMBERS SELECTED BY THE MAYOR, FOUR MEMBERS

BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY TWO




VACANT ALTERNATE POSITIONS, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS

SOME BUY-IN, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THAT SOME ORGANIZATIONS

INCLUDING THE NAACP TAKE ONE OF THOSE AVAILABLE, TWO

AVAILABLE SEATS, AND ALSO MAYBE FROM USF OR UNIVERSITY OF

TAMPA, THEIR CRIMINOLOGY DEPARTMENT, MAYBE AN EXTERNAL

ORGANIZATION TAKING A SEAT ON THE BOARD TO ALSO WEIGH IN

WITHIN THEIR INPUT.

AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES,

WE ARE PROPOSING, WE ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF THAT

ACCESSIBILITY AND HIGHLIGHTING THE VISIBILITY OF THE CRB,

WE ARE PROPOSING THE CREATION OF A CRB WEBSITE.

AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY CRB CENTRAL FOR ALL

INFORMATION ABOUT WHO IS ON THE BOARD, WHAT IS THE TERM

ON THE BOARD, WHEN DOES THAT TERM EXPIRE, HOW IT'S MAKING

APPLICATION TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, HOW TO MAKE

ANY COMPLAINT AGAINST THE POLICE OFFICER, ALL CENTRALLY

LOCATED IN ONE SPOT.

WHAT WE ALSO ANTICIPATE DOING AS FAR AS VISIBILITY IS

DURING THE ACTUAL TELEVISED MEETING, WHICH USUALLY

HAPPENS ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 6:00, IS

THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CRAWLER THAT WOULD STILL

ADVERTISE THEIR E-MAIL ADDRESS, THEIR WEBSITE ADDRESS,

AND ALSO HOW TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER

SO THE COMMUNITY IS ALSO ALWAYS BEING EDUCATED AND

UPDATED ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.




AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S

ALWAYS ACCESS TO THE CRB IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST IN

ONE LOCATION, IS THAT THE CRB HOLD MEETINGS AT VARIOUS

COMMUNITY SITES IN EACH OF THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS,

TOWN HALL, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS THE

PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE CRB.

AND OF COURSE THE MEETINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE TELEVISED.

AND THOSE ARE A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ABOVE AND

BEYOND THE MOTIONS MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

10:37:20 >>GINA GRIMES:
WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, HEARING COUNCIL'S

FEEDBACK ON THESE PROPOSALS, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, YOU CAN DO SO.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF

THE POSITIONS STATED BY THE ACLU AND THE PBA.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO THAT NOW OR

TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW.

10:37:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER 8, BECAUSE IT IS IMPLICIT BY THE DISCUSSION

THERE, I WAS THINKING SINCE THIS ALL KIND OF TIES IN

TOGETHER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS NOW OR WOULD YOU

WANT TO HOLD OFF UNTIL LATER IN THE AGENDA?

10:38:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT'S YOUR DECISION.

EITHER WAY.

WE ARE PREPARED TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.

ANDREA ZELMAN, OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, IS PREPARED TO




PROVIDE THAT PRESENTATION ON THE IMPLICIT BIAS ORDINANCE

TRAINING.

10:38:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL

IF WE TAKE NUMBER 8 NOW?

BECAUSE I THINK IT TIES IN WELL WITH THE ENTIRE

DISCUSSION.

COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS WAS YOUR DISCUSSION.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

10:38:38 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

YOU KNOW, IT DOES TIE IN RELATED 110%.

I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

MAYBE SINCE MY SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE THEM

AT SEPARATE TIMES, AND DISCUSS THAT.

AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE EITHER

CONCURRENTLY OR AFTER ONE ANOTHER.

MAYBE AFTER ONE ANOTHER WOULD LEAD TO A BETTER

DISTINCTION.

AT THE VERY LEAST I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION TO HAVE CLOSE

IN PROXIMITY IS VERY WELL TAKEN, MR. CHAIR.

10:39:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[RUSTLING PAPERS]

WHOEVER IS RUSTLING PAPERS, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION NOW FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN

WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 8 AND THEN DISCUSS THAT, IN

LINE, SINCE I THINK IT ALL TIES IN.




SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ON ITEMS 1 AND 2, I WILL MIX IT UP.

COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK OFF THE

DISCUSSION?

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

10:39:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LET ME START OFF BY SAYING WONDERFUL

PRESENTATION BY MS. RICHARDSON.

COUNCIL, AS YOU MAY KNOW, I MADE THIS MOTION BECAUSE I

KNOW OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT DO HAPPEN IN-HOUSE, OUT OF

THE HOUSE.

AND I KNOW FROM AT ONE TIME I WAS A POLICE OFFICER AND I

UNDERSTAND POLICE PROCEDURES AND ISSUES, PROCESS AND SO

FORTH AND SO ON.

BUT I GOT ELECTED CITY COUNCIL BY THE TAXPAYERS.

SO NOT ONLY A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, I'M A CITY COUNCIL

MEMBER.

AND I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING IS

DOABLE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THERE ARE LEGAL

PROCEDURES AND POLICIES, FOLLOW PROCEDURES WELL.

BUT I AM ALWAYS MINDFUL THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD

POLICE OFFICERS, AND THERE ARE SOME BAD ONES.

BUT WITH POLICING TODAY, THE CHANGE TO MORE ARREST AND

CRIME, BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY IN WORKING

WITH PEOPLE, YOU CAN STILL REDUCE CRIME.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF.

AND WHEN YOU ARE OUT THERE COACHING YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY




KNOW.

I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN GET BACK, AND I KNOW SOME OF THE

OFFICERS ARE ANGERED THAT I MADE THE MOTION ABOUT THE CRB

BOARD.

BUT I STILL SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A PLACE THAT

I BELIEVE YOU CAN GO, GET A JOB, THOSE WHO -- A LOT OF

OUR COLLEAGUES AT MY RETIREMENT DID NOT HAVE COLLEGE.

THEY CAME ON, AND THEY WOULD MAKE A LIVING, GO ON AND GET

A BETTER EDUCATION, AND TO ME I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO

HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT TO BE A

PERSON -- AND I ALWAYS SAY IN THE COMMUNITY, NEVER BEEN

AROUND DIFFERENT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT CULTURES, YOU DON'T

KNOW.

SO YOU GET IN AN AREA AND YOU ARE ALWAYS TOLD BAD PEOPLE,

BAD THINGS.

AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID BEFORE YOU HAVE A BADGE AND A GUN

YOU SHOULD BE IN A CLASS WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT

CULTURE OF PEOPLE, SO WHEN YOU GET IN N THAT CAR, YOU

KNOW MS. JONES WHO LIVES AT THE CORNER, NOW MR. aND

MRS. SMITH, BUT HEY, HE'S NOT HURTING ANYBODY.

HE'LL COMPLY WHEN YOU TELL HIM WHAT TO DO.

BUT I LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW ON THE

SCREEN.

I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON THE HIRING

BOARD.




WHEN I LOOK AT THE CHIEF, RETIRED AND OTHER POLICE

OFFICERS, AND A COMMUNITY LEADER OR CITIZEN, SHOULD BE ON

THAT BOARD.

TO ME THERE'S TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON THAT BOARD.

AGAIN I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE IS ANY DIVERSITY ON THAT

BOARD.

IF YOU HAVE A POLICE CHIEF AND FOUR OFFICERS, A AND YOU

THEY UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU

CAN IDENTIFY AND RELATE, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENED.

AND ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU HAVE DIVERSITY.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE MOTION LAST WEEK, TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE.

AND I HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT THE

WORD SHOULD BE FIRST RESPONDERS, NOT JUST THE POLICE, BUT

WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

TO ME I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT TO ME RIGHT NOW IS THE

HIRING POLICY, AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN STRENGTHEN THAT

BETTER ACROSS THE BOARD.

I HEARD MS. GRIMES TALK EARLY ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER AND SO

FORTH AND SO ON.

AS YOU KNOW, I SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.

IN THE FIRST PLACE ON THAT BOARD, I SAID TELL ME ABOUT

SUBPOENA POWER.

AND AT THAT TIME, THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE BECAUSE.

SO I KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS SUBPOENA POWER.




BUT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET AROUND IT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN RIGHT I KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR

CHARTER EITHER.

I THINK ANYTHING THAT SUBPOENA POWER HAS TO GO IN THE

CHARTER TO BE ENACTED.

BUT I AM GOING TO ASK LATER, TODAY IS JUST A WORKSHOP, SO

I CAN GET BETTER CLARIFICATION ON THE ISSUE.

I WANT TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION, HOW TO WORK WITH

CITIZENS GETTING A SUBPOENA, WHAT IS THE LEGAL RIGHT OF

THE SUBPOENAING PEOPLE, AND THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T BE

SUED AND TAKING MONEY FROM PUBLIC AREAS THAT WE NEED TO

PUT IN COMMUNITIES.

SO I WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT LATER ON IF

WE CAN.

I YIELD BACK.

10:45:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS, SIR?

10:45:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

10:45:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.

(BELL RINGS)

10:45:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?

10:45:59 >> (BELL RINGS).

10:46:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN YOU HEAR US, COUNCILMAN

DINGFELDER?




WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:46:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE MR. GUDES WAS JUST SAYING, JUST

ADDRESS THAT THE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR POLICE

DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THIS WHOLE

DISCUSSION IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEM.

I MEAN, SURE THERE ARE BAD ACTORS, BUT OUR COMMUNITY

NEEDS OUR POLICE.

THEY NEED OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

WE NEED THEM TO WORK HARD FOR US AND WE NEED THEM TO

PREVENT CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY.

IN LOTS OF WAYS IT'S ASKING THAT WE SUPPORT THEM AND

REMEDIATING CRIMES.

THE GENESIS OF THIS WAS TO TRY TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

IF WE GO BACK IN TIME YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT THIS CAME

FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF A POLICY THAT WAS BEING

RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BY THE

LAST MAYOR AT THE TIME.

THE POLICY THAT THE POLICE PUT IN, OR INDIVIDUAL POLICE

OFFICERS PUT IN, IT WAS BY THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.

SO THE COMMUNITY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE WANT CONTROL, AND

ONE OF THEM WAS THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.

THE CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP, THEY PUSHED FOR THIS, AND THE




REASON WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS BECAUSE THE LAST

MAYOR WENT BACK AND FORTH AND COMPLAINED AND RANTED ABOUT

MAKING SURE THAT HE CONTROLLED IT INSTEAD OF THE CITIZENS

AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND THERE WAS A PETTY CRIME RATE.

SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS -- THE REASON WHY WE HAD THIS

ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE -- SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO

WITH HOW WE FEEL ABOUT POLICE.

THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE THE BALANCE OF THE BOARD AND OTHER

ISSUES THAT ACLU BROUGHT UP, AND YOU WANT TO THANK MS.

GRIMES AND OTHERS IN THE DEPARTMENT.

I BELIEVE IN HAVING A DIALOGUE.

AND IT'S GOOD THAT WE HEARD BACK FROM PBA AND WE CONTINUE

TO HEAR BACK FROM THE PUBLIC.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE GROUPS THAT SPOKE THIS MORNING

FROM TAMPA JUSTICE AND ACLU THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE

RESPONDING TO THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL WITH A MARKED-UP COPY

THAT WE WILL RECEIVE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK, AND ALSO

THANK THE NEW MAYOR FOR TAKING THE POSITION ON THIS AND

STEPPING OUT AND TRYING TO REMEDIATE THE SITUATION.

IN THE NEXT WEEK WHEN WE GET THE PROPOSAL, STAFF'S

PROPOSAL AND ACLU AND TAMPA JUSTICE AND ALSO HEAR

FEEDBACK FROM PBA, WHEN WE GET READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO

SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES

AND ALSO LEGAL ADVICE SO WE CAN MAKE SOUND LEGAL




DECISIONS.

THANK YOU ALL.

10:49:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

HE HAD A TECHNICAL GLITCH.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU ON?

10:49:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

10:49:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

10:49:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

FIRST, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MS. GRIMES AND HER STAFF

INCLUDING MS. RICHARDSON AND THE ADMINISTRATION, THE

CHIEF AND THE MAYOR FOR A GOOD START ON SOME OF THOSE

REVISIONS THAT MS. RICHARDSON WENT THROUGH.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD START, THAT IT SHOULD BE A

COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF THIS IS OUR

OPPORTUNITY TO START COLLABORATING AND GETTING FEEDBACK.

MS. GRIMES, BEFORE I GET INTO SOME SPECIFICS, I JUST HAD

ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

YOU MENTIONED THE PBA LETTER.

AND I HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE PBA LETTER YESTERDAY, AND

I ALSO READ THE OPINION OF THE COOPER, AND WHICH CAME OUT




OF KEY WEST 15 YEARS AGO, WHICH STRUCK SUBSECTION 4 WHICH

THE PBA LETTER IS RELYING, AT LEAST HALF OF THEIR LETTER

WAS RELYING ON.

I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE BEST

LEGAL ADVICE POSSIBLE, THE PBA TRIED TO GIVE US LEGAL

ADVICE, IT APPEARED TO ME -- AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART OF

THAT STATUTE WHICH IS SUBSECTION 4.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, THAT SUBSECTION 4 WAS FOUND

UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE COURT AND THAT THEREFORE WE

SHOULD DISCARD THAT PORTION OF THE PBA LETTER?

AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IF WE GOT

INVOLVED IN THIS WE COULD BE COMMITTING MISDEMEANOR.

I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

AND I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT, BUT I THINK WE

HAVE A MISLEADING LETTER THERE.

10:51:39 >>GINA GRIMES:
THEY ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR

SHALL YOU BUT ALSO FOUND IN SECTION 4 LANGUAGE THAT

SUPPORTS OUR PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THE CRB TO BE MADE AWARE

OF THE EXISTENCE OF A COMPLAINT.

OUR PROPOSAL SAYS THAT THAT WILL BE -- WILL BE NUMBERED

AND TRACKED, AND THAT THE CRB ON A MONTHLY BASIS WILL BE

MADE AWARE OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE COMPLAINT.

NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICE OFFICERS' NAMES OR DETAILS

ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS, ABOUT YOU THE FACT THAT A COMPLAINT

WAS REGARDING A CERTAIN ISSUE WAS IN FACT FILED.




AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A

COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEM.

AND JUST TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT SECTION 4 ALSO SAYS,

BECAUSE THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE THINK THE CRB AND

CITIZENS A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT COMPLAINTS.

10:52:40 >> IN THE PBA LETTER THEY ARE REFERENCING SECTION 4, 112,

533, FLORIDA STATUTE 112-533, SUBSECTION 4, AND THAT

SECTION IS THE SECTION WHERE ESSENTIALLY IT MAKES IT A

MISDEMEANOR FOR ANYBODY WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THE

INVESTIGATION INCLUDING THE PERSON WHO COMPLAINED, ANY OF

THE WITNESSES, THE INVESTIGATOR, THE OFFICER WHO IS THE

SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION OR EVEN THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL

AND MAKES AT MISDEMEANOR FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO DISCLOSE

INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN OBTAINED DURING THE

INVESTIGATION SUCH AS WHAT THE WITNESSES SAID, ALSO WHAT

EVIDENCE HAS BEEN GATHERED, AND MAKES IT VERY SPECIFIC IT

APPLIES TO THOSE PEOPLE.

BUT THAT SECTION GOES ON FURTHER TO SAY, ADDITIONALLY HIS

DESIGNEE IS NOT PRECLUDED FROM THE EXISTENCE OF A

COMPLAINT AND THAT THE INVESTIGATION IS UNDERWAY AND

THAT'S ALL WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT THE CRB CAN HAVE AN

IDEA OF WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE COMING IN.

THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS THE WORDS REDACTED IN IT

BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WILL NOT NAME THE

COMPLAINANT, IT WILL NOT NAME THE OFFICER WHO MAY BE THE




SUBJECT OF THAT INVESTIGATION, BUT CERTAINLY BE MADE

AWARE THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN OPEN ON A POLICE

SHOOTING WHICH BY POLICY IS REQUIRED, WE DON'T BELIEVE

THAT IS OUT OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

10:54:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK THAT STARTED OUT BY MAKING

CHANGES.

THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION.

MY QUESTION WAS, SPECIFIC TO THE COOPER CASE, THE COOPER

CASE AS I READ IT, 15 YEARS AGO THE CIRCUIT STRUCK DOWN A

PROVISION OF A THREAT OF A MISDEMEANOR AS RELATED TO (4)

AND YET THE PBA ATTORNEY RELIED ON THAT.

NO ATTORNEY IN THE CITY HAS DISPUTED THAT.

BUT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

SPECIFICALLY HERE ON THE COOPER CASE AS RELATED TO (4)

ARE WE AT RISK OF A MISDEMEANOR IN PURSUING ANY OF THIS

AS THE PBA ATTORNEY SAID?

10:55:03 >> IT'S OUR POSITION THAT WE ARE NOT, AND THAT THE CRB --

IT'S NOT CONFIDENTIAL THAT SOMEONE HAS MADE A COMPLAINT

WHEN THE NEWS MEDIA REPORTS THAT SOMEBODY HAS OPENED AN

INVESTIGATION OR THAT THEY HAVE MADE A COMPLAINT.

THAT PERSON BY THE VERY NATURE -- I NEED TO GET FAMILIAR

WITH THE COOPER CASE, BUT I DIDN'T FIND A SINGLE CASE OF

ANYONE EVER BEING PROSECUTED UNDER 112-533 SUBSECTION 4.

10:55:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

THE COOPER CASE WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE PROSECUTION OF THE




GENTLEMAN IN KEY WEST WHO WAS PROSECUTED AND THE COURT

STRUCK IT.

BUT LISTEN, I'M ONLY ALLOWED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SO

LET ME MOVE ON TO MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND I GUESS I THINK

IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THE RICHARDSON DESCRIBED

THIS ORDINANCE AS, QUOTE, YOUR ORDINANCE.

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO.

AND I KNOW WHAT SHE MEANT.

IT'S REALLY THE CITY'S ORDINANCE, THAT THE CITIZENS IN

THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT IN REALITY,

IT'S THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER THE CHARTER

TO AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION THAT BUT I

BELIEVE IT'S A STANDING COMMITTEE, AND AS A STANDING

COMMITTEE, BY ORDINANCE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND IT.

OBVIOUSLY IF WE AMEND IT, THAT WOULD GO TO THE MAYOR, THE

MAYOR HAS THE ABILITY TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT OR TO VETO

THE AMENDMENT.

AND THEN THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US AS A VETO. ANYWAY,

THAT'S ALL DOWN THE ROAD.

I HOPE WE CAN ALL CONTINUE TO GET ALONG AND MAKE

IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT'S JUST ONE ATTORNEY'S OPINION ON THAT, AND MY

OPINION.

LET ME FINISH UP IF YOU WOULD, GINA. LET ME GET TO THE

SUBSTANCE.




WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

COUPLE OF VERY MINOR MOTIONS.

AND MOTIONS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, TO DIRECT LEGAL STAFF

TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TO BRING BACK TO US AT A LATER

DATE WHENEVER WE START DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN.

AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER OR I CAN

DO THEM SEPARATELY.

BUT BASICALLY, THE FOUR ISSUES THAT MANY RESIDENTS HAVE

WRITTEN TO US AND SPOKEN TO US TODAY, THAT THEY WOULD

LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED THE NEXT TIME WE TALK.

AND I AM NOT SAYING THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO SUPPORT

IT.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVEN COUNCIL NEEDS TO SUPPORT THESE

INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET LEGAL STAFF TO

DRAFT UP SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD SUBSEQUENTLY VOTE ON

DOWN THE ROAD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL LOOK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF

PROCESS ON THAT.

I CAN BUNDLE WITH THEM TOGETHER.

I CAN DO THEM SEPARATELY.

THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.

10:58:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL THE

OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK?

WE HAVE A FEW MORE.




AND THEN AFTER COUNCIL MEMBERS -- SO WE COULD HEAR FROM

EVERYBODY.

BUNDLE THEM?

I DO ASK THAT NO MOTIONS BE MADE TILL AUGUST 6 WHICH IS

AROUND THE CORNER.

I HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME, TO GIVE SUFFICIENT

PUBLIC NOTICE AND WHATNOT, CONSIDERING THE VIRTUAL

CIRCUMSTANCES HERE.

BUT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, LET'S WAIT UNTIL A COUPLE

OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK.

WE'LL CLOSE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE MOTIONS

AT THAT POINT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

10:59:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES, SIR.

10:59:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IS THAT IT?

10:59:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

10:59:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH YOUR

MOTION.

NEXT UP IS COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.

THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA FOLLOWED BY VIERA.

AND THEN I WILL TAKE IT AT THE END.

COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

10:59:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND

I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.

CHIEF DUGAN, IF YOU ARE STILL THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO




THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S

FAIR AND IMPARTIAL COMMUNITY WORKSHOP LAST WEDNESDAY THE

22ND.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE FACILITATOR.

THE ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT I HAD WAS THAT I WAS EXPECTING

THAT TO BE A PACKED HOUSE FULL OF CONCERNED CITIZENS TO

HEAR ABOUT THE WORKSHOP AND THE NEWS THAT TPD WAS

BRINGING.

I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WERE SO MANY EMPTY SEATS.

I DID SEE MEMBERS FROM THE ACLU THERE, ALSO COMMUNITY

MEMBERS, AND A LOT OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL

THAT WERE THERE.

SO CHIEF, I TRULY THANK YOU FOR THAT INVITATION.

MR. CHAIR, AND -- I'M SORRY, CHIEF, ARE YOU THERE?

11:00:22 >>CHIEF DUGAN:
I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU.

11:00:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE SOME ASKS THAT I

WOULD LIKE.

I WOULD LIKE IN THIS PRESENTATION.

ONE IS A QUALIFICATION FOR ANY NEW CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD

MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BECOME OR INTERESTED IN, AND

THAT IS THAT EACH NEW MEMBER THAT IS BROUGHT ON ALSO GOES

THROUGH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CITIZENS POLICE

ACADEMY.

I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.




AND I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN A THREE-MONTH

PERIOD OF BEING SELECTED FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.

THIS BOARD IS ESTABLISHED TO BETTER POLICE RELATIONSHIPS

WITH THE COMMUNITY, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND TO

PROVIDE MUCH MORE TRANSPARENCY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION

AND THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED TO THE

CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING LIKE I

HAVE, LIKE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE, FOR INSIGHT

INTO WHAT POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND HE HAVE

DAY.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS OF

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SELECTED FOR THE REVIEW

BOARD HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED BY TPD AND/OR HAVE LAWSUITS

PENDING AGAINST TPD.

AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.

I FEEL WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME VERY, VERY SOON

AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR STAFF, MR. CHAIR.

THAT'S ALL AT THIS TIME.

11:02:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

11:02:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU.

LIKEWISE TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S




SAYING AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS, AND I HOPE WHAT

HE'S SAYING COMES UP THERE REALITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR

SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SERVE IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT BOARD.

I'M NOT PREPARED AT THIS TIME, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW

EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTIONS ARE GOING TO BE THAT ARE GOING

TO BE PUT ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE

SUBJECT MATTER.

I'M HERE TODAY TO UNDERSTAND, GET MORE INFORMATION OF THE

FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED SO IN THE FUTURE, THE VERY NEAR

FUTURE, I WOULD SAY, I CAN MAKE MY OWN MIND, MY OWN

DECISION OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHETHER

WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT, WHETHER WE WILL OR WON'T, AND

ALL THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS ARE THAT ARE GOING TO BE

VOTED ON TODAY.

BUT IF ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO

DO PRESENTLY, I NEED SOME TIME TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE

RAMIFICATIONS AND ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES ON THIS VERY

IMPORTANT VOTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE TODAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

11:03:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL MEMBER

MIRANDA.

COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN I WILL WRAP IT UP AND WE'LL GO

TO MOTIONS.

11:03:28 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.




THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WORK IN NAVIGATING

TODAY'S MEETING UNDER ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT

CIRCUMSTANCES.

I THANK MY COLLEAGUES AND EVERYBODY FOR THEIR WORDS THAT

HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY.

I THINK JUST ONE THING THAT I THINK IS WORTH REPEATING

WHICH IS THAT THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS HERE HAVE

NOTHING FROM THIS COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO DO WITH

ATTACKING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS ABOUT MY FEELINGS FOR

OUR FIRST RESPONDERS INCLUDING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND

POLICE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

WE HONEST THAT WORK BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT BEING TROUBLED

OR OUTRAGED OVER WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BY THE POLICE FEELING

THERE'S A NEED FOR CHANGE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANTI-POLICE.

WE NEED BODY CAMERAS, WHICH THIS COUNCIL HAS VOTED ON.

WE NEED TRAINING WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, IN

COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND CIVILIAN BOARDS.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT IN MY OPINION, 21st CENTURY

COMMUNITY WOULD NEED.

IN TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND ALL THE

DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING FORWARD, TALK TO

THE ADMINISTRATION, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT

SIDE, JUST SOME BASIC IDEAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE




GOING FORWARD.

FIRST, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MENTION ON UPDATES TO COUNCIL.

WE GET A REPORT FROM THE CRB.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BEING DONE.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT OWN AN ANNUAL

BASIS, BY CRB MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE CHAIR WITH, A

SUMMARY OF STATUS OF HEARINGS, PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS,

CHANGES BY THE MEMBERS, AND A REPORT THAT COULD BE SIGNED

BY ALL MEMBERS OF THE CRB WITH DISSENTING OPINIONS

INCLUDED, LIKE YOU SEE IN COURT CASES.

NOW WHY DO I WANT THAT?

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST HEAR FROM A MAJORITY OF THE

CRB.

I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CRB.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

ALSO, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE INFORMED FULLY

FROM FIRST-HAND STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN BUTT

THIS IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FROM

MEMBERS TO COMMIT TO GOING LIVE WHENEVER WE CAN OF COURSE

TO AT LEAST ONE CRB MEETING A YEAR IN PERSON.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR

US.

I THINK THAT THE GENERAL PRINCIPLE, I CERTAINLY THINK

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.




I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE CONTINUED COMMUNITY MEETINGS BY

THE CRB, FOUR TOWN HALLS A YEAR IN EACH DISTRICT, AND ALL

FOUR OF THE DISTRICTS, ALL FOUR PARTS OF THE CITY OF

TAMPA TO GET COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE

NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN THERE'S SOME DISPUTE.

I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THE CHARTER AND

THE CRB.

I COULD BE CORRECTED ON THIS BUT I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN

BOARDS HAVE HAD ATTORNEYS WHO ARE PAID BY THE HOUR.

WE HAD AN ATTORNEY WHO I ASSUME WAS PAID BY THE HOUR FOR

HIS WORK.

I THINK FOR A BOARD LIKE THIS, MOVING TOWARDS THAT, WITH

SAFEGUARDS, SOMETHING TO THE NATURE -- 10, 15 HOURS A

MONTH, YOU MUST GET CONSENT FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA,

SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE THIS BOARD HAS THEIR OWN

SEPARATE ATTORNEY.

I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT, AND I

THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY MINIMAL COSTS, BUT I THINK THOSE

COSTS WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORTH IT ON PRINCIPLE FOR THIS

BOARD.

THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT GOING FORTH WITH REGARDS TO THE

VOTES, WHO APPOINTS WHO.




WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

I CERTAINLY HAVE NO OBJECTION WITH THE MAJORITY COMING

FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE

THAT ARE -- BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS

APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR OR BY THE COUNCIL MEANS THAT THEY

ARE GOING TO HAVE FIDELITY TO A CERTAIN PERSON OR A

CERTAIN BODY.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT WE GET THERE FOR ME IS OF

CRITICAL IMPORTANCE, IF WE GET THERE, IS OF CRITICAL

IMPORTANCE.

I KNOW WE ALL KNOW MANY OF THE MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON THE

CRB, THE LAST THING THAT I WANT IS FOR SOMEBODY TO BE

CEREMONIOUSLY AND WITH MY OPINION GREAT DISRESPECT

POTENTIALLY KICKED OFF THE CRB THROUGH SOME SORT OF A

MANDATE APPOINTMENT.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT. IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROUTE,

IT'S RIGHT NOW 5-4.

I THINK I AM THAT A VERY SIMPLE PLACE TO DO IT WOULD BE

NEXT TIME THAT THERE IS AN APPOINTEE WHO IS A MAYORAL

APPOINTEE AND HE OR SHE WISHES FOR THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD

TRANSFER TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY IN WHICH WE CAN GIVE SOME




DEFERENCE, BUT WITH RESPECT, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES.

I HEARD ABOUT HAVING ONE APPOINTMENT TO GO TO EITHER USF

OR UT.

AND BECAUSE I'M ATTORNEY, I THINK MAYBE SOMEONE FROM OUR

BAR ASSOCIATION.

I THINK SOMEONE WHO COULD GIVE US A LOT OF GUIDANCE ON

THAT.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE, I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS STATION, OUT

THERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYBODY, JUST SOMETHING

THAT I THOUGHT OF, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS SPOKEN OF WITH

THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YESTERDAY AS WELL WAS, YOU

KNOW, WE HAVE A COLLEGE OF LAW, MAYBE WORKING WITH

STETSON FOR SOME SORT OF PROGRAM FOR COMPLAINTS THAT COME

TO THE CRB.

I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THAT IDEA, BY THE WAY.

IT'S SOMETHING SOMEBODY SAID.

BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WE SHOULD EXPLORE.

AGAIN THESE ARE ALL IDEAS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE.

SOME IDEAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE EXPLORING.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WORKABLE PROCESS.

AND COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY

ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT HAS RESPECT FOR ALL THE PARTIES AT

THE TABLE, AND GOD WILLING, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL BE

VERY PROUD OF EVERYBODY.




THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

11:10:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I BELIEVE WE HEARD FROM ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS BRIEFLY.

I'LL WRAP IT UP.

I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE, POLICE OFFICER, FOR

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NOT IN THIS COUNTY BUT FOR DECADE,

AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHY WHEN MY FATHER STARTED IN

1960, THEY WERE REFERRING TO PEACE OFFICERS AND NOW IT'S

ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

I KNOW IT SOUNDED ANTIQUATED, FROM THE 1800S TO 1960,

GOING BACK TO THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW AND WHATNOT, PEACE

OFFICERS.

BUT I LIKE THE TERM.

BECAUSE WHEN I WAS -- IF I NEED HELP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A

POLICE OFFICER THERE.

IF I'M IN DANGER, THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER.

THAT'S MY RELATIONSHIP.

AND NOT EVERYBODY FEELS THAT WAY.

BUT PERHAPS WE CAN GO BACK TO PEACE OFFICER, WHATEVER.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE IMAGE AND WHATNOT.

BUT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I SAID EARLIER IN REGARDS TO

APPOINTMENT OF THIS BOARD, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS

HAVING BEEN APPOINTED, FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THE REST

FROM THE MAYOR, I SEE NO HARM, NO FOUL IN THAT, BECAUSE

WE ARE ELECTED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.




YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY, SOME OF US ARE CITY-WIDE, SOME OF

US ARE DISTRICT-SPECIFIC.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE

OF THIS COMMUNITY, THE SAME ONES THAT VOTE FOR THE MAYOR

AND WHATNOT.

SO MR. DINGFELDER IS GOING TO BRING UP WHATEVER MOTIONS

ARE GOING TO BE MADE BUD WE DO INCLUDE THAT CITY COUNCIL

MEMBERS HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT EACH, THE MAYOR HAS THE

POWER TO APPOINT THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

THAT MAINTAINS THE POLICY, WE ARE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF

GOVERNMENT.

IT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY I WOULD SUPPORT TO GO WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S REALLY IT.

I WILL SEE WHAT MOTIONS ARE MADE.

BEFORE WE GO TO MOTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF

OR LEGAL AFTER HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE LEGAL

DEPARTMENT STAFF.

11:12:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR, POINT OF PRIVILEGE.

I JUST WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.

I KNOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO COMPROMISE ON A LOT OF

ISSUES.

SO I AM HOPING THIS IS A WORKSHOP, THAT IN THE NECESSARY

FOUGHT WE'LL BE ABLE, WITH STAFF, AND THE LEGAL TEAM, THE

PBA, THE FOLKS THAT THE TAMPA JUSTICE ORGANIZATION, CAN

SIT DOWN AND MAYBE START COMING TO SOME COMPROMISES ON




SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON THE TABLE SO WE WALK AWAY WHERE

EVERYONE FEELS WE ARE MAKING EFFORT, WHICH I THINK WE

ARE.

SO I WILL WAIT FOR MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.

BUT IF THAT ISN'T ON THE TABLE I WOULD ASK STAFF TO MEET

WITH ALL PARTIES COLLECTIVELY AND COME BACK AND DO WHAT

WE NEED FOR THE CITIZENS.

THANK YOU.

11:13:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LEGAL DEPARTMENT, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO ANY

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE WE GO TO

MOTIONS?

11:13:53 >>GINA GRIMES:
CITY ATTORNEY.

AS TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' LAST SUGGESTION, WE HAVE MET

SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE ACLU.

WE ARE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE PBA.

WE REACHED OUT TO THEM YESTERDAY WHEN THEY SENT THE

LETTER TO MR. SHELBY.

BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO TOUCH BASE WITH BOTH OF THOSE

ORGANIZATIONS AGAIN AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER

COLLABORATIVELY.

AND I DO HAVE OTHER PARTS OF THE PRESENTATION THAT ARE

LEGAL IN NATURE, THAT I KNOW WE HAVE TAKEN UP ENOUGH OF

YOUR TIME THIS MORNING, AND I CERTAINLY CAN ADDRESS THOSE

WHEN WE COME BACK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER.




11:14:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

SOUND GOOD.

WE WILL GO TO MOTIONS.

I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

I WILL START WITH YOU.

YOU HAVE SOME MOTIONS.

IF YOU COULD BUNDLE THEM INTO ONE MOTION IF POSSIBLE.

REMEMBER -- IN SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN GIVE STAFF TIME TO

RESPOND, HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE AND WHATNOT.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION AT THIS TIME,

THEN I WILL GO DOWN THE LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

11:15:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SURE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND THANKS TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME GREAT

COMMENTS, SOME GREAT THOUGHTS.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO RESPOND

WITH ANY MOTION I MAKE TODAY IS NOT A MOTION TO AMEND THE

ORDINANCE BY ANY MEANS.

IT'S JUST A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK TO US

WITH ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

BEFORE I GIVE MY MOTION, REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IN

THE COOPER DECISION, YOU CAME ACROSS AN AMAZING QUOTE AND

I KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA LOVES QUOTES, AND IN THE DECISION

IT SAYS, QUOTE, IN A FREE SOCIETY, THE PUBLIC'S TRUST AND




AN OFFICIAL'S REPUTATION IS WON BY GREATER TRANSPARENCY,

NOT -- OF CRITICISM.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL STATEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE A

TRANSPARENT SOCIETY AND WE NEED TO BE EVEN MORE

TRANSPARENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THESE CITIZEN BOARDS ARE ALL

ABOUT, IS TRANSPARENCY.

WITH THAT, I WILL TRY AND BUNDLE THE MOTION AND ALSO TO

REFLECT SOME OF COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.

CONSISTENT -- HERE IS MY MOTION.

NUMBER ONE.

CONSISTENT WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN

VIERA'S COMMENTS, MY MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE DRAFTING OF

LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH A MAJORITY

OF THE SEATS ON THE FUTURE CRB.

AND MR. VIERA, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT HAS TO BE BASED

IN PERHAPS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, SO PEOPLE AREN'T

INSULTED OR HUMILIATED.

I WILL LET LEGAL FIGURE OUT THOSE DETAILS.

BUT THE GIST OF THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS

FROM THE CRB WOULD BE FROM CITY COUNCIL.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CITIZENS HOP SPOKE.

IT SEEMS TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BODY, AND IT'S NOT REALLY

INDEPENDENT IF ANY MAYOR, ANY MAYOR, IS THE ONE MAKING A

MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.




SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF MY MOTION.

THE SECOND PART OF MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD SOME LEVEL

OF SUBPOENA POWER TO THE CRB. AND LANGUAGE ACCORDINGLY.

I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD ABUSE IT.

CITY COUNCIL HAS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAS NEVER USED IT.

AT LEAST IN MY LIFETIME.

AND I BELIEVE AS MORE OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE TO, JUST THE

FACT THAT THEY HAVE IT MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE MORE WILLING TO

COME FORWARD, AND DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.

NOW, IT'S NOT SUBPOENA POWER TO SUBPOENA THE OFFICER WHO

IS BEING COMPLAINED AGAINST.

IT'S SUBPOENA POWER FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

MY NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST -- AND THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE --

IS INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.

WE SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ALL SORTS OF

POLICE MATTERS, WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS

COMMUNITY AND TO ME.

IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT.

IT'S IMPORTANT MONEY.

BUT WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY GIVING THIS BODY

INDEPENDENT LEGAL COUNSEL.

AND MY FOURTH POINT IS INDEPENDENT STAFF.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME WHEN I READ THE

ORDINANCE AND EVEN THE REVISED ORDINANCE AS COMPOSED BY

MS. GRIMES -- I MEAN, NOT MS. GRIMES BUT THE




ADMINISTRATION THROUGH MS. GRIMES, IS THE FACT THAT I

KEPT READING ABOUT THE FACT THAT A CAPTAIN SETS THE

AGENDA, THAT A CAPTAIN WRITES THE REPORT, THAT A TPD

POLICE CAPTAIN IS CONTROLLING THIS BODY.

AND I KIND OF FOUND THAT REALLY WEIRD BECAUSE IT'S NOT --

SO AGAIN, THIRD, THAT WE FIND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN

THE BUDGET, MAYBE $50,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO HIRE

SOME PART-TIME STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CRB

AND HAVE SOME INDEPENDENT STAFF.

SO MY MOTION, THE FOURTH PART BUNDLED INTO ONE MOTION

UNLESS PEOPLE WANT TO SPLIT IT APART, A AND THIS WOULD BE

RELATE IT TO THE APPOINTMENTS, INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, AND

THE INDEPENDENT STAFF.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:19:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BEFORE I ASK

FOR A SOAKED, IF THERE IS A SECOND, I AM LOOKING AT THE

CALENDAR HERE, AND I AM LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER.

SEPTEMBER 3rd IS A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

WE ALSO HAVE --

11:19:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE DO WE HAVE A

WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER?

11:20:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 24 AT

9:00 A.M.

11:20:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WOULD COUNCIL LIKE TO ADDRESS AGAIN

IN A WORKSHOP EITHER IN AUGUST, MAYBE IN AUGUST OR




SEPTEMBER, AND THEN WHENEVER WE HAVE TO REVISE THE

ORDINANCE AT A LATER DATE?

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SUPER EMERGENCY BUT I THINK TO

KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING.

11:20:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I THINK -- COUNCILMAN GUDES, GO

AHEAD.

11:20:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
ON THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER, IF I CAN

GET AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, SIR.

11:20:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN GUDES.

WHAT IS THE AMENDMENT?

11:20:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AS IT RELATES TO THE HIRING POLICY OF

THE CITY, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE

COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT, IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

11:21:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, HOW DO YOU

FEEL ON THAT AMENDMENT?

11:21:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I DON'T BELIEVE -- I KNOW -- I DON'T

KNOW.

MAYBE I NEED SOME ADVICE FROM MS. GRIMES.

AND THEY HAVE INCLUDED SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM THE CRB

IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIRECT THE

ADMINISTRATION OTHERWISE, OR ARE YOU SAYING WE NEED TO

INCLUDE THAT IN THE CRB ORDINANCE?

MR. GUDES?

11:22:01 >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY LEADERS PUT ON THAT




HIRING FREEZE. AND THAT WAS THE REASON I MADE THE

MOTION.

11:22:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY MOTION.

11:22:17 >>GINA GRIMES:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, COUNCILMAN GUDES,

AN IMPORTANT ISSUE WAS JUST RAISED.

ON THAT NOTE, BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WITH RESPECT TO

THE HIRING OF OFFICERS, WHICH AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER

ALLUDED TO IS STRICTLY WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE

ADMINISTRATION, OF THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF POLICE.

BUT -- AND I DIDN'T GET TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE UNDERLYING

LEGAL ISSUES THAT ARE BEING TOUCHED UPON, AND DEALING

WITH THE WAY THE CRB WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED, AND THE WAY

IT'S STRUCTURED AND THE WAY CHANGES TO THE CRB ORDINANCE

HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN.

AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT TODAY.

BUT THERE ARE MANY LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE

STRUCTURE OF THE CRB AND HOW CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE GOING

FORWARD.

WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO CONSIDER ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK

IN THESE FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US,

INCLUDING THE HIRING, AND DISCUSS THEM, AND THEN WE CAN

REPORT BACK TO YOU.

I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN COME BACK AT THE WORKSHOP IN

SEPTEMBER.

KEEP IN MIND, YOU WANT TO US MEET WITH THESE OTHER GROUPS




TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE WITH CERTAIN

REVISIONS AND REDRAFT IT AND YOU'RE CHANGES AND BRING IT

BACK.

SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE I'M SURE AT LEAST TO THE END OF

SEPTEMBER TO GET THAT COMPLETED.

11:23:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIRMAN?

MS. GRIMES, ANOTHER THING, I'M SAYING THE BOARD MADE UP

IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CHIEF FOR HIRING.

IS THAT CORRECT?

11:24:16 >>GINA GRIMES:
WHAT THE CHIEF HAD PROPOSED, AND THIS IS

ONE OF THE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS, IS RATHER THAN THE HIRING

PROCESS BEING HANDLED INTERNALLY, THROUGH HIS STAFF

MEMBERS, THAT HE WOULD IMPANEL A HIRING PANEL WHO WOULD

EVALUATE THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, AND OF

COURSE A LOT OF THEM AS YOU WELL KNOW ARE TO TRY WITH

OTHER NUMEROUS STANDARD AND SO LIKE THE HIRING PANEL, A

LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED, BUT HE'S SUGGESTING

THAT RATHER THAN THE HIRING DECISIONS BE MADE BY THE

STAFF, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WITH HIM, THAT HE ALSO GET

FEEDBACK ON THAT FROM HIS HIRING PANEL.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT HAVING MEMBERS OF

THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WILL

DISCUSS.

11:25:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

11:25:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WE HAVE




SEPTEMBER 24th, WHICH IS A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP

SESSION.

BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT AUGUST 27th, WE HAVE

(DISTORTION) AND REVIEW AND DISCUSS REGULATIONS REGARDING

THE POLICE, IN ADDITION, CITY ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY,

ET CETERA, WOULD BE INVITED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

DO WE STILL NEED THAT OR WE CAN HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS? I

THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS.

11:25:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DISCUSSION,

AND THEN MY MOTION TO ROLL INTO SEPTEMBER --

11:26:00 >>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.

WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES --

(AUDIO CUTS OUT)

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION?

11:26:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I BELIEVE GUDES SECONDED IT.

11:26:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:26:18 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

VIERA.

11:26:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

GO AHEAD.

11:26:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS.

BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.

PARTICULARLY WITH THE ISSUE OF SUBPOENA POWER.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ALL THE OTHER ISSUES IN THE SENSE




THAT WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION, AND I AM FULLY

SUPPORTIVE OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.

I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD THAT CITY COUNCIL CANNOT CREATE

SUBPOENA POWER FOR THIS BOARD OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER OR A

STATE STATUTE AUTHORIZING THAT.

ARE WE ASKING CITY LEGAL TO DRAW UP AN ORDINANCE?

11:27:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS JUST TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AT

A WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER.

11:27:08 >>LUIS VIERA:
OKAY.

11:27:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND AT THAT WORKSHOP, WE CAN TWEAK,

WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS IT THERE.

WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR FORMAL CHANGE, OR TO CHANGE THE

ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER.

SO THIS IS INFORMATIONAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAD TODAY,

STAFF REPORT OR WHATEVER, SPECIFIC TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER

DINGFELDER WROTE IN THE MOTION, SEPTEMBER 24, WHICH IS A

CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION.

11:27:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN.

LET ME CLARIFY BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I GUESS MY DESIRE IS, WHERE LEGALLY POSSIBLE, THAT LEGAL

STAFF WOULD DRAFT US LANGUAGE FOR US TO CONSIDER THE

LANGUAGE OBTAINED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, TO DRAFT

ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR A FUTURE ORDINANCE, AN AMENDMENT

TO THE FUTURE ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME, AN AMENDMENT TO THE

EXISTING ORDINANCE, THEY COULD DRAFT THAT UP.




HOWEVER, IF THEY CONCLUDE THAT IT'S NOT LEGALLY

POSSIBLE -- AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT OPINION, MR.

VIERA -- BUT IF THEY CONCLUDE IT'S NOT LEGAL, THEN THEY

NEED TO GIVE US A LEGAL MEMORANDUM AS TO WHY SOMETHING IS

NOT LEGALLY POSSIBLE, FOR EXAMPLE, SUBPOENA POWER.

OKAY?

11:28:38 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

11:28:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF THAT'S OKAY, MODIFIED OR CLARIFIED

MY OWN MOTION A LITTLE BIT.

11:28:46 >>LUIS VIERA:
SO ARE THE WAY I READ THIS, THIS IS A

REPORT -- CAN I GET SOMEBODY FROM CITY LEGAL?

BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM ON PROPER GROUND

HERE WHEN I MAKE THAT STATEMENT TO OPINE JUST QUICKLY.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE RESEARCH IN LOOKING

INTO THIS.

BUT JUST FOR PURPOSES OF GOING FORWARD, CAN WE GET

SOMEONE TO STATE SOMETHING ON THIS ISSUE, MS. GRIMES?

11:29:13 >>GINA GRIMES:
YES.

ACTUALLY, THERE WERE THREE LEGAL ISSUES THAT WE HAD

INTENDED TO ADDRESS.

ONE DEALT WITH THE WAY THE CRB WAS CREATED AND STRUCTURED

AND HOW IT'S LIMITED THROUGH THIS COMBINATION OF AN

EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND A CITY CODE.

THE SECOND LEGAL ISSUE WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS WAS THE

SUBPOENA POWERS.




AND THE THIRD HAD TO DO WITH INVESTIGATIVE POWER.

AND ALSO, WE DID PLAN TO ALSO ADDRESS THE TBA'S ISSUES

THAT THEY HAD RAISED.

BUT WITH RESPECT TO SUBPOENA POWER, IT'S OUR POSITION

THAT THAT CAN ONLY BE GRANTED BY STATUTE, OR THROUGH THE

CHARTER.

AND WE WANT CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT YOU,

AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, HAVE ONLY LIMITED SUBPOENA POWER

AND IT'S EXPRESSED AND PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER THAT YOU

MAY ONLY EXERCISE YOUR SUBPOENA POWER WHEN YOU ARE

EXERCISING LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY IN CONDUCTING AN

INVESTIGATION.

YOU HAVE THE POURER THEN TO COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF

WITNESSES THROUGH SUBPOENA.

SO YOU YOURSELF AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HAVE LIMITED

SUBPOENA POWER.

SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, DOES IT FROM A COMMON SENSE

STANDPOINT, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO SIMPLY GRANT TO

THE CRB BROAD SUBPOENA POWERS FOR WITNESSES AT THEIR

HEARING.

YOU YOURSELF DON'T HAVE IT, SO HOW COULD YOU IN FACT

DELEGATE IT TO ANOTHER BODY?

YOUR CHARTER DID NOT PROVIDE OR ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO

DELEGATE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER THE CHARTER.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE CASES THAT WE CAN CITE TO, I




CAN PROVIDE ALL OF THIS IN A LEGAL MEMORANDUM.

BUT IN ORDER FOR THE CRB TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER, IT WOULD

HAVE TO BE EXPRESSLY PROVIDED FOR THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO

THE CHARTER, AND JUST BY WAY OF INFORMATION, I KNOW THAT

TAMPA FOR JUSTICE AND THE ACLU KNOW THIS AND IN FACT HAVE

ACKNOWLEDGED IT BECAUSE BACK IN 2016, THEY PROPOSED A

CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THE TAMPA CHARTER TO DO JUST THAT,

TO CREATE A CITIZENS INVESTIGATIVE PANEL THAT WOULD HAVE

SUBPOENA POWER.

SO BY SUBMISSION OF THEIR OWN CHARTER AMENDMENT, THEY

ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT TAKES A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO GRANT

SUBPOENA POWER TO THE CRB, OR TO A CITIZEN INVESTIGATIVE

PANEL.

11:31:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?

THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE THE LAST MAYOR

WAS FAITHING THEM AND HIRED AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO TRY TO

HAVE A CHARTER -- AND IT WAS AN END AROUND THE LAST MAYOR

TO BUTTRESS THEIR POSITION.

AND WE CAN ALL SORT THIS OUT WITH ALL THE LAWYERS TALKING

BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND DISCUSS

THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

11:32:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
THIS IS VIERA, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT




MEETING AND WE CARRY IT FORWARD UNDER THE REPORT?

I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF FURTHER DISCUSSION, I DON'T THINK

DISCUSSION HURTS ANYBODY, BUT IF I DON'T KNOW IF

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THIS, BUT TWO

VERY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

MAY I MAKE THAT, MR. CHAIR?

11:32:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

11:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA:
VERY FRIENDLY.

THE FIRST ONES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE THE PROPER FORUM FOR THAT.

NUMBER ONE IS TO PROVIDE TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

I DON'T KNOW THE TIME IT WAS PUT IN THEREIN FROM THE CRB,

JUST FROM A REPORT ON THAT, AND THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE

PROSPECTIVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

AND THEN FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS BUILT CRB, I DON'T

KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THAT

BUT IT COULD BE UNDER THE IDEA OF CARRYING IT FORWARD FOR

FORMAL DISCUSSION.

11:33:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. VIERA, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I

COULD.

11:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:33:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MR. VIERA, I DEFINITELY ACCEPT BOTH OF THOSE VERY




FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

THE FIRST ONE I ACTUALLY PROPOSED A FEW WEEKS AGO TO MS.

GRIMES, AND I THINK THE SECOND ONE MS. RICHARDSON ALLUDED

TO IN HER DRAFT.

I THINK THEY ARE BOTH GREAT SUGGESTIONS, AND I ACCEPT

THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY AS LONG AS MR. GUDES DOES AS WELL.

11:33:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. GUDES, ARE THOSE AMENDMENTS FINE

WITH YOU?

11:34:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE.

AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY STATEMENT, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE

THE ACTUAL FACTS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ONE SIDE

SAYING ONE THING AND ANOTHER SIDE IS SAYING SOMETHING,

AND WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

THAT WAY WE ARE NOT GETTING ALL TYPES OF LEGAL FEES AND

GETTING MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR LEGAL FEES, AND NOT

HAVING ANY MONEY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

SO I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, AND COME BACK

AND GIVE US THE ACTUAL FACT OF HOW THEY DERIVED, AND

THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO MEET

TOGETHER AND SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

11:35:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANKS VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER WITH

ENDMENTS FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.

THIS IS FOR SEPTEMBER 24th AT OUR WORKSHOP SESSION AT

9 A.M.




SECOND BY MR. GUDES.

11:35:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:35:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

11:35:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
AS I STATED EARLIER -- AND I KNOW

THAT THE HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT 2 BROUGHT UP

THE FOUR ITEMS THAT HE WISHED TO SPEAK ON, AND MY

CONTENTION IS, I SAID EARLIER I WAS NOT PREPARED TO VOTE

UNTIL I GOT ALL THE INFORMATION AND SAT ON IT FOR A

LITTLE BIT AND I APPRECIATE SEPTEMBER 24th.

HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I VOTE THAT THE FOUR

ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AREN'T ASKING THE LEGAL

DEPARTMENT TO BRING THEM UP AND SPEAK ON THEM OR ARE YOU

ASKING THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BE PREPARED FOR AN

ORDINANCE FOR SEPTEMBER 24th?

ONE WAY I VOTE YES.

THE OTHER WAY I WOULD VOTE NO.

11:36:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU CAN

CLARIFY. THIS IS INFORMATIONAL?

11:36:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL, BUT JUST

AS THEY HAVE DRAFTED THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL, I

WOULD LIKE THEM TO PROVIDE US A RED-LINE VERSION THAT

INCLUDES THESE ITEMS IN THE FORM OF A VERY, VERY DRAFT

MOTION.

BUT THEN, SEPTEMBER 24th, IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

WE CAN'T EVEN VOTE ON ANY ORDINANCES AT A WORKSHOP.




SO THERE'S NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

BUT JUST SO WE MOVE THIS PROCESS ALONG, AND GET THINGS IN

WRITING, THAT ULTIMATELY WE COULD VOTE ON, SEPTEMBER

24th, I THINK THAT LEGAL STAFF, MY MOTION IS THAT

LEGAL STAFF JUST DRAFT THESE AS POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO

THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

AND LIKE I SAID, AND WHERE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE US THE

LEGAL MEMORANDUM, I THINK LEGALLY WE CAN'T.

SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF MY MOTION, MR. MIRANDA.

I HOPE I CLARIFIED IT.

11:37:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
IF I MAY ASK THIS.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUBPOENA POWER, INDEPENDENT

COUNSEL, INDEPENDENT STAFF, AND HIRING OF OFFICERS?

I THOUGHT THESE WERE THE FOUR THAT WERE GOING TO BE

BUNDLED UP ON SEPTEMBER 24th.

ARE WE GOING TO SPEAK JUST ON THESE FOUR ITEMS REGARDING

THE MAKEUP OF THE CRB BOARD AND HOW THE PERFORMANCE WILL

BE BASED ON THESE FOUR ITEMS, ADDING TO THEM?

AND IS IT GOING TO COME UP IN ANY WAY BEFORE IT GETS TO

SEPTEMBER 24th WITH ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE THAT'S

BEING PREPARED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEN I WOULD VOTE

NO.

IF IT'S SEPTEMBER 24th AND ONLY BECAUSE I AM NOT

SUGGESTING ALL FOUR OF THEM AT ONCE AND I WANT TO GET

MORE INFORMATION FOR MYSELF SO I CAN BE MUCH BETTER




PREPARED THAN I AM TODAY.

AND SEPTEMBER 24th, MAKE SURE HE'S THE ARE THE FOUR

ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DIGEST THEM AND

SEE WHICH ONES WE ARE GOING TO GET, ONE, TWO, THREE,

FOUR, ONE WOULD PASS, TWO WOULD PASS, WHATEVER.

BUTT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO

BUNDLE THIS AND SAY FUTURE ORDINANCE, THEN I WILL VOTE

NO.

THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.

11:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION,

THERE WERE FOUR AND COUNCILMAN GUDES ADDED THE FIFTH.

AND MR. VIERA ADDED THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH.

SO I THINK BY MY COUNT I THINK THERE'S SEVEN.

11:38:38 >>GINA GRIMES:
YES, WE HAVE SEVEN ALSO, MR. DINGFELDER.

11:38:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.

11:38:43 >>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL GO TO A VOTE.

11:38:46 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

AND I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIR OF THE JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE

I VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE ARE NOT ENDORSING ANY OF

THESE ITEMS.

WE ARE MOVING TO PUSH THESE FORWARD FOR A DISCUSSION ON

THESE ISSUES.

THAT'S HOW I AM LOOKING AT THIS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HOW IT'S PROPOSED, AND WE ARE




PUSHING IT THE FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION AND THAT WE ARE

NOT, YOU KNOW, ENDORSING THE ITEMS FOR INCLUSION IN AN

ORDINANCE.

WE ARE PUSHING THIS FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION IN A WORKSHOP.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

11:39:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN

DINGFELDER.

WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.

COUNCILMEN, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.

11:39:35 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

11:39:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:39:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

11:39:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCILMAN JUST

SAID IT'S BEING PUSHED FOR DISCUSSION, I WILL VOTE YES.

IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY I VOTE NO BUT I VOTE YES AS I HEARD

IT.

11:40:00 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

11:40:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, YES.

11:40:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

11:40:10 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER

DINGFELDER BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL

MEMBER GUDES SECONDED THE MOTION.

11:40:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.

WE GO TO ITEMS -- BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM 8, I SHOW THAT




AUGUST 22ND, WE HAVE THAT ITEM REGARDS THE CITY OF

ATTORNEY POLICE CHIEF, PBA, TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE

REGULATIONS OF THE POLICE AND WHATNOT.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE YOU MADE THAT MOTION.

WOULD YOU LET THAT STAND FOR AUGUST 22ND, AND TAKE THIS

MOTION TO SEPTEMBER, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ANY THOUGHTS ON

THAT?

11:40:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
YOU ARE ASKING WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE

THEM TO THE SAME DAY?

IS THAT YOUR QUESTION?

11:40:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT IS VIRTUAL SO FOLKS CAN CALL IN.

BUT DO YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THAT ALL FOR ONE DAY OR HAVE

TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS?

11:41:10 >>BILL CARLSON:
THAT'S FINE WITHIN ME, AS A SEPARATE

DISCUSSION, THAT THE CRB IS A SUBSET OF THE OTHER

DISCUSSION.

I DON'T CARE WHICH DAY IT'S ON, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT.

DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT?

11:41:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, IF YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR

THIS ITEM, WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR 9 A.M. WORKSHOP, IF YOU

WANT TO MAKE THAT TO POSTPONE IT TO SEPTEMBER 24th SO

WE CAN HAVE THAT DAY WITH ALL THE SIMILAR DISCUSSION.

11:41:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
SO MOVED.

11:41:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN




CARLSON TO BE POSTPONE TO SEPTEMBER 24th.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

11:41:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

11:41:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

11:41:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

11:41:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

11:41:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

11:41:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

11:42:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

11:42:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

11:42:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

11:42:13 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON

BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA

SECONDING THE MOTION.

11:42:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO ITEM NULL 8.

I BELIEVE THE IMPLICIT BIAS DISCUSSION.

MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANDREA ZELMAN WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT

TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.

MS. ZELMAN IS ON THE LINE, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE

THIS.

AND THEN GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA IN ORDER.

GO AHEAD.




11:42:43 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY. WITH ME TODAY TO

SPEAK IF NECESSARY ARE BRETT COLLAR WITH TAMPA POLICE

DEPARTMENT TRAINING UNIT, KELLY AUSTIN, HUMAN RESOURCES,

KAY HUNTER, THE CITY OF TAMPA TRAINING DEVELOPMENT

MANAGER, RACHAEL PETERKIN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WHICH

YOU WERE PROVIDED A DRAFT COPY OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE,

AND DR. LORIE FRIDELL FROM USF WHO I ASKED TO SPEAK AND

YOU WILL HEAR FROM IN A LITTLE BIT.

AGAIN FOR BACKGROUND, THE CITY CHARTER WAS REVISED TO

REQUIRE THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE HARASSMENT

ANTI-DISCRIMINATION IMPLICIT BIAS AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY

TRAINING PROGRAM FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, IN A MANNER

ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE FROM. HERE ON I AM GOING TO

REFER TO THAT TRAINING IN SHORTHAND AS IMPLICIT BIAS

TRAINING.

BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT BY DEFINITION, IN THE ORDINANCE, IN

THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT TRAINING INCLUDES ALL OF THE

OTHER SUBJECT AREAS I JUST LISTED.

WE DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE WITH A GOAL OF THE MANNER IN

WHICH THE TRAINING WILL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED BY THE

CHARTER, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT THE CITY'S

ABILITY TO BE FLUID AND ADAPTABLE AS ISSUES ARISE AND

CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.

SO FOR THAT REASON, THE ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED TO INCLUDE




MINIMUM HOURLY REQUIREMENTS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT

THOSE HOURS WILL TYPICALLY BE EXCEEDED.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ALL NEW

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS RECEIVE 11 HOURS OF IMPLICIT

BIAS TRAINING AFTER BEING HIRED, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT

TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY REQUIRES TRAINING IN

ADDITION TO THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.

THEY ALSO REQUIRE TRAINING IN AWARENESS, THEY DO A

FOUR-HOUR SESSION AT THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, THEY DO

SESSIONS ON PTSD AWARENESS, LGBTQ AWARENESS, MINORITY

BASED TRAINING AND OTHER SUCH TRAINING THAT HAS IMPLICIT

BIAS CULTURAL COMPETENCY, ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, AND

RELATED ISSUES WOVEN THROUGHOUT.

AGAIN WE WANTED TO LEAVE OPEN THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADAPT TO

NEW ISSUES AND NEW AREAS OF SENSITIVITY AS THEY OCCUR.

WE ALSO -- AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES ASKED ABOUT THIS,

THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO SPECIFY IN THE ORDINANCE WHAT

NUMBER OF HOURS WOULD BE IN PERSON RATHER THAN ONLINE OR

IN ANOTHER FORM FORMAT BECAUSE AGAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND

TECHNOLOGY CAN RAPIDLY CHANGE.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE PANDEMIC MADE IMPLICIT TRAINING

DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES.

ALSO, SOME OF THE BETTER TRAINING CAN INVOLVE ONLINE

SIMULATION.

OTHER POINTS TO NOTE, JUST BASICALLY ABOUT THE ORDINANCE,




ARE IT PROVIDES DIVIDING THE TRAINING INTO TWO GROUPS,

AND THIS IS WHERE IT DIFFERS FROM AN EARLIER DRAFT, IT

IDENTIFIES EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND

PLEASE NOTE THAT INCLUDES ELECTED OFFICIALS SUCH AS

YOURSELVES, AND THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND WE

SEGREGATED THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY DO USE DIFFERENT

TRAINERS, REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAN

THE REST OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES.

SO IN A NUTSHELL, UNDER THE ORDINANCE AS DRAFTED, ALL

NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES WILL BE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE

A MINIMUM OF FOUR HOURS IN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.

AFTER THEY ARE HIRED, WITH TWO-HOUR REFRESHER CLASSES

EVERY TWO YEARS.

ANYONE WHO IS PROMOTED TO A MANAGEMENT OR SUPERVISORY

POSITION WILL ALSO RECEIVE TWO ADDITIONAL HOURS TRAINING.

AS I NOTED BEFORE, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WILL BE

REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A MINIMUM OF 11 HOURS OF IMPLICIT

BIAS TRAINING AFTER BEING HIRED.

LIKEWISE, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF

TWO-HOUR REFRESHER CLASSES EVERY TWO YEARS.

THOSE THAT ARE PROMOTED TO A MANAGEMENT OR SUPERVISORY

POSITION AGAIN WILL RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO HOURS OF

TRAINING.

NOW, AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK DR. LORIE FRIDELL

TO SPEAK TO ONE -- DR. FRIDELL IS A USF CRIMINOLOGY




PROFESSOR, AND SHE'S THE CEO OF FAIR AND IMPARTIAL

POLICING LLC, AND SHE'S A NATIONAL EXPERT ON BIAS

TRAINING.

SHE AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I RECENTLY ATTENDED A

WORKSHOP THAT SHE LED WHERE WE AND OTHER MEMBERS.

COMMUNITY HAD A CHANCE TO KNOW SEE FIRST-HAND THE

TRAINING.

DR. FRIDELL, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?

11:48:24 >>DR. LORIE FRIDELL:
ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME?

I AM VERY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY

ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR POLICE.

AS ANDREA INDICATED, I AM THE FOUNDER OF THE FAIR AND

IMPARTIAL POLICING PROGRAM, OR SIP, AND WE ARE THE NUMBER

ONE PROVIDER OF IMPLICIT BIAS AWARENESS TRAINING FOR LAW

ENFORCEMENT IN NORTH AMERICA.

SO I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUR PROGRAM AND

THE TRAINING THAT WE PROVIDE AROUND NORTH AMERICA AND

HAVE PROVIDED TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND I'M HOPING THIS IS SHORT AND I PROMISE A SHORT

DESCRIPTION WILL BE INFORMATIVE AS YOU CONSIDER THE

ORDINANCE.

SO THE KEY CONTENT OF OUR TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS

AS FOLLOWS.

FIRST WE TALK ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF IMPLICIT BIAS.

AND IN DOING SO, WE COVER VARIOUS TYPES OF BIAS.




SECOND, AND IMPORTANTLY, OHIO IT MIGHT MANIFEST IN

POLICING.

UNDER THIS HEADING, WE TALK OF ETHNICITY, GENDER, AGE,

DISABILITY, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SEXUAL

IDENTITY.

AND THEN WE ALSO HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

ACTIVITIES WHEREBY IT MIGHT MANIFEST.

THE THIRD PART OF THE CONTENT IS -- THE CONSEQUENCES OF

BIAS, THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE PERSON ON THE RECEIVER'S

END, THE OFFICER IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN REALLY IMPORTANTLY, THE FINAL PEACE OF CONTENT

IS --

THESE CLASSES ARE DESIGNED FOR ADULT LEARNING.

THEY SIT AT TABLES THAT ARE FORMED INTO A U SO THAT WE

CAN MAXIMIZE INTERACTION.

WE HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 IN THE ROOM.

AND THEN WE MAKE SURE IT'S VERY INTERACTIVE.

THERE'S SMALL GROUP AND LARGE GROUP DISCUSSIONS,

SCENARIOS, PROBLEM SOLVING, TO BRING THIS CONTENT TO

LIFE.

NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR POLICE AUDIENCES, WE FEEL VERY

STRONGLY THAT THE INITIAL CLASSES, THE FIRST CLASS BASIC

TRAINING BE FACE TO FACE.

AND THERE'S TWO KEY REASONS FOR THIS.

ONE IS -- SECONDLY, ALSO TO ALLOW FOR OPEN AND HONEST




EXCHANGES.

REGARDING THE FIRSTS, YOU ARE NOT SURPRISE, THAT POLICE

OFTEN COME IN VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DON IS BREAK THROUGH THAT

DEFENSIVENESS AND WE DO THAT WITH A CURRICULUM AND

CREDIBLE TRAINER WHO CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS, PUSH BACK

ON THEIR STEREOTYPES OF BIAS TRAINING AND GET THEM

ONBOARD WITH OUR MESSAGE.

SO THIS CAN'T BE DONE ONLINE OR EVEN VIRTUALLY VERY

EFFECTIVELY.

BUT THEN SECOND, THE TRAINING REALLY ASKS INDIVIDUALS TO

REFLECT ON THEIR OWN BIASNESS AND SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES

INCLUDING EXPERIENCES THEY HAVE HAD ON THE RECEIVING END

OF BIAS BEHAVIOR.

AND AGAIN, THIS REQUIRES FACE TO FACE INTERACTION.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT CURRICULUMS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF

THE DEPARTMENT.

WE HAVE CURRICULUM FOR PATROL OFFICERS, AND THAT INCLUDES

NEW RECRUITS, FIRST-LINE SUPERVISORS, MID MANAGERS, AS

WELL AS COMMAND LEVEL.

NOW, I MENTIONED THE KEY CONTENT.

AND THE LAST THING I MENTIONED ON THAT LIST WAS SKILLS.

IT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THESE SKILLS THAT WE HAVE THESE

CUSTOMIZED TRAININGS FOR THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE SKILLS FOR OFFICER, BEWARE OF THE




BIASES OF OTHERS WHICH INCLUDES COLLEAGUES AND COMMUNITY

MEMBERS.

WHEN IT IS FEASIBLE, SLOW THINGS DOWN.

FINALLY, MAKE DECISIONS USING YOUR FAIR AND IMPARTIAL

POLICING.

LET ME COMMENT JUST BRIEFLY ON REDUCING MANAGER BIAS.

BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MISLEADING PRESS COVERAGE

THIS SUMMER THAT PROVIDES THAT THE PURPOSE OF IMPLICIT

BIAS TRAINING IS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE BIAS.

AND THIS IS WAY TOO ASPIRATIONAL.

WE DO TRAIN AS I SAID ON VARIOUS SKILLS TO REDUCE OUR

BIASES OVER THE LONG-TERM, BUT OUR KEY FOCUS IS ON

MANAGING OUR BIAS, WHICH IS WHAT ANYBODY CAN DO WHEN THEY

WALK OUT OF THE CLASSROOM.

SO THAT WAS SKILL FOR OFFICERS.

FOR SUPERVISORS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE SKILLS

MENTIONED ABOVE.

BUT THEN ALSO SKILLS AND TECHNIQUES FOR SUPERVISING TO

PROMOTE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL POLICING.

THIS MEANS SKILLS FOR MONITORING THEIR REPORTS FOR

POTENTIALLY BIASED BEHAVIOR, AND THEN SKILLS FOR

INTERVENING SUPERVISORS PERSPECTIVE.

THE COMMAND LEVEL IS THE LONGEST VERSION OF OUR TRAINING

BECAUSE THEIR SKILL, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, IS WHAT I CALL THE

COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO PRODUCE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL




POLICING.

FOLKS HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF

WELL-INTENTIONED INDIVIDUALS IN THE DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE

COMPLICIT BIASES BUT WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WITH EXPLICIT

BIASES, AND COMMAND LEVEL NEEDS TO BE ATTENDING TO BOTH.

THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED ARE RECRUITMENT AND HIRING,

POLICY, LEADERSHIP AND CULTURE, TRAINING, SUPERVISION AND

ACCOUNTABILITY, MEASUREMENT, OPERATION, AND OUTREACH TO

DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.

OUR MOST POPULAR VERSION OF THE COMMAND LEVEL TRAINING IS

ACTUALLY THE COMMAND COMMUNITY SESSION WHERE SOME OF THE

PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ARE LEADERS OF THE AGENCY AND OTHERS

ARE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO LET'S DESCRIBE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT CURRICULUM.

AND WE HAVE OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING, WE WORK

WITH DJJ TO PRODUCE A CURRICULUM FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE

OFFICIALS, WE HAVE CURRICULA FOR PROSECUTORS, DEFENDERS,

PRIVATE SECURITY, CIVILIANS, AND CITY AND COUNTY

EMPLOYEES.

I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING IS THE

LENGTH OF TRAINING, AS WELL AS THE NEED FOR FOLLOW-UP

COURSES.

OUR BASIC CURRICULUM, OUR FIRST ROUND, WHICH COVERS

IMPLICIT BIAS AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, IS EIGHT HOURS FOR

PATROL OFFICERS, FOR SUPERVISORS, AND FOR MID MANAGERS.




OUR COMMAND OR COMMAND COMMUNITY TRAINING IS 1.5 DAYS IN

LENGTH AND WE FEEL THIS IS SUFFICIENT FOR CONVEYING THE

PRINCIPLES.

IMPLICIT BIAS IS BASED ON SCIENCE BUT IT'S NOT ROCKET

SCIENCE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE TRAINING IS NOT SO LONG THAT IN

FACT WE PRODUCE A BACKLASH TO THEIR PERSPECTIVENESS.

WE HAVE A BOOSTER TRAINING THAT YOU WOULD IMPLEMENT 12

MONTHS, 18 MONTHS AFTER THE BASIC TRAINING, THESE ARE

HALF-DAY SESSIONS.

WE CONVEY THE SAME PRINCIPLES BUT IN A NEW AND DIFFERENT

FORMAT.

OUR THIRD ROUND OF TRAINING FOR OUR CLIENTS WILL BE

ONLINE.

WE FEEL AT THAT POINT IT IS SUFFICIENT AND THAT'S GOING

TO BE 2 TO 3 HOURS.

NOW, REALLY IMPORTANTLY, IN BETWEEN THE BASIC TRAINING

AND THE BOOSTER TRAINING AND THE THIRD ROUND, WE

ENCOURAGE AGENCIES TO REINFORCE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL

MESSAGES TO THE CHIEF COMMUNICATION, THROUGH THE

SUPERVISOR COMMUNICATION, ROLL CALL TRAINING, WE

ENCOURAGE THEM TO INFUSE THE PRINCIPLE OF FAIR AND

IMPARTIAL POLICING AND IN-SERVICE TRAINING.

WITH REGARD TO TPD SPECIFICALLY, UNDER JANE CASTOR IN

2014, WE HELD A ONE-DAY COMMAND COMMUNITY TRAINING, AND A




MID MANAGERS TRAINING.

JANE CASTOR HOSTED A REGIONAL TRAINING OF TRAINERS.

AND WHEN WE HOLD A TRAINING OF TRAINERS, THAT MEANS THAT

AGENCIES ARE SENDING THEIR TRAINERS TO LEARN HOW TO

IMPLEMENT TWO OF OUR CURRICULA, THE CURRICULA OF PATROL

OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS.

THIS SUMMER FOR CHIEF DUGAN, WE HAVE HELD WHAT WE CALL A

POP/BOOSTER SESSION, AND AGAIN CHIEF DUGAN SENDS US HIS

TRAINERS, AND THEY LEARNED THE UPDATED VERSION OF OUR

BASIC TRAINING, AND THEY LEARNED HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE

BOOSTER TRAINING.

AS YOU HEARD, WE DEVELOPED SPECIAL EVENING SESSIONS FOR

COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND HELD TWO OF THOSE LAST WEEK AT THE

CONVENTION CENTER, AND CURRENTLY WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS

WITH CHIEF DUGAN ABOUT HOLDING A COMMAND OR A COMMAND

COMMUNITY.

AND I AM HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITY

COUNCIL MEMBERS.

11:57:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:57:24 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THANK YOU, DOCTOR.

I HAVE A FEW CLOSING REMARKS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO

COUNCIL.

I WANTED TO NOTE THAT I KNOW YOU ALL RECEIVED THE

CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION,

AND THAT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS




RECEIVE AT LEAST 49 HOURS OF IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, AND

THAT THE REST OF US CITY EMPLOYEES INCLUDING YOURSELVES

RECEIVE 40 HOURS.

BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IS JUST NOT REALISTIC OR NECESSARY

FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

FIRST, AS DR. FRIDELL JUST NOTED, THAT NUMBER OF HOURS IS

NOT NECESSARILY IN ORDER FOR THAT TRAINING TO BE

EFFECTIVE, BUT THAT REQUIRING OUR EMPLOYEES INCLUDING

COUNCIL MEMBERS SUCH AS YOURSELVES TO SPEND THAT MUCH

TIME AWAY FROM OUR JOBS IN TRAINING WOULD BE A STRAIN ON

THE CITY BUDGET, AND ALSO VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE CITY AND

THE CITIZENS WHO RELY ON OUR SERVICES, AND WE WOULD ASK

YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE

REQUIRED TO RECEIVE JOB-SPECIFIC AND OTHER TYPES OF

TRAINING IN ADDITION TO TRAINING.

SO IN ADDITION TO A T POLICE TRAINING THAT I HAVE ALREADY

DESCRIBED, EVERY TAMPA POLICE OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO

RECEIVE REGULAR TRAINING AND TESTING OF THEIR PHYSICAL

ABILITIES, OF THEIR USE OF FIREARMS AND TASERS, DEFENSIVE

DRIVING AND OTHER SUBJECTS, AND EVEN THOUGH IN THE LEGAL

DEPARTMENT, I KNOW SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN RELATE

TO THIS, HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN OVER 40 HOURS OF

CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION EVERY THREE YEARS, WHICH IS

AROUND 15-PLUS HOURS A YEAR, AND EVEN NEW COUNCIL

MEMBERS -- YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO -- ARE REQUIRED BY




STATE STATUTE TO RECEIVE FOUR HOURS OF ETHICS TRAINING

EVERY YEAR.

SO IN ADDITION TO EMERGENT BIAS TRAINING, WE ALL HAVE TO

RECEIVE A LOT OF OTHER TRAINING, SO IT JUST WOULD NOT BE

FEASIBLE OR NECESSARY TO ADD TO OUR EXISTING TRAINING

REQUIREMENTS THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OF TRAINING THAT'S A

RESTORATIVE COALITION IS SUGGESTING.

SO WITH THAT, THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.

AND AGAIN, WE ARE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

YOU MAY HAVE.

11:59:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WAS THE MAKER OF THIS MOTION.

WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN GO DOWN THE

LINE.

GO AHEAD.

11:59:58 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WANTED TO ECHO THE THANKS TO THE HARD WORK NOT JUST FOR

THE STAFF NOW BUT OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS

INCLUDING COUNCILMAN GUDES, CARLSON, CITRO, AS WELL AS SO

MANY OTHERS.

I ALWAYS LIKE TO BRAG ON MY FRIEND IKE STEVENS WHO I

BELIEVE HE'S THE GENTLEMAN ON THE BOARD WHO BROUGHT UP

THIS ISSUE.

AND MR. STEVENS IS JUST A GOOD PERSON AND I AM ALWAYS




THANKFUL FOR HIM AND EVERYBODY'S SERVICE.

WE NEED THIS ORDINANCE, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS

SOMETHING THAT EVERY GOOD -- SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ON THE

BOOKS.

I WILL JUST BE BLUNT.

I HAVE BEEN OUTRAGED BY WHAT I READ FROM SOME OF OUR

NATIONAL LEADERS WHO PUT DOWN THE IDEA THAT THERE IS

IMPLICIT BIAS, OR CERTAIN NATIONAL LEADERS EXPRESS THAT.

IT IS BEYOND ME HOW ANYBODY CAN CONTEST THAN THE IDEA OF

IMPLICIT BIAS IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.

WE HAVE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE EXPLICIT, BASED ON VIOLENCE

MANIFESTED, IN MINNEAPOLIS, WE SAW IT IN CHARLOTTESVILLE,

TREE OF LIFE, ET CETERA, AND WE HAVE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE

PERSON TO PERSON, PERSON TO GROUP, DEALING WITH IMPLICIT

BIAS BASED ON HOW PEOPLE ARE RAISE, THE FOLKS THAT PEOPLE

AFFILIATE WITH, AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE OFTEN

EXPLICITLY HAVE A NEGATIVE REACTION TO.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY SITUATIONS WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT

THE OFTEN VIOLENT SITUATIONS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF

DIFFERENT CHALLENGES.

WE TALKED ABOUT CIVILITY AND THE GREAT GAINS THAT WE MADE

IN THE CITY WITH REGARDS TO AUTISM, DEFINITIONS LIKE

THAT.

MY BROTHER AS MANY OF YOU KNOW IS INTELLECTUALLY

DISABLED.




I KNOW THAT FIRST HAND.

AND HOW FOLKS NEED TO BE PROPERLY TRAINED IN HOW TO DEAL

WITH THOSE WITH DISABILITY.

I ALSO COME FROM A DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT I

WOULD PUT A MONETARY BET ON IS THE MOST RELIGIOUSLY

DIVERSE DISTRICT.

WE HAVE CHRISTIANS.

WE HAVE JEWS.

WE HAVE SIKHS.

WE KNOW THAT ANTI-SEMITISM EXISTS.

WE KNOW ISLAMOPHOBIA EXISTS.

AND ALSO ON THE BASIS OF SEXUAL GENDER AND IDENTITY.

I WILL JUST BE BLUNT.

AS WE GROW AS PEOPLE, WE LEARN DIFFERENT MORAL TRUTHS

THAT WE ARE MAYBE BROUGHT UP WITH.

AND I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING, IS YOUR

ATTITUDE NOW ON THE LGBT COMMUNITY THE SAME AS IT WAS 30

YEARS AGO?

I'M 42.

WE ARE RAISED WITH CERTAIN THINGS.

THAT CREATES IMPLICIT BIAS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO OVERCOME.

THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE WITH

US.

I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I WANT TO CONFIRM THIS, THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT




PUSHES FORTH IN LARGE PART TRAINING, NOT BY INTERNAL

PERSON BUT BY OUTSIDE PARTY WITH A DEMONSTRATED RECORD OF

SENSITIVITY, THE ISSUES THAT IT COSTS EXTRA MONEY, YES,

BUT IT'S WELL WORTH IT NOT ONLY ON THE WORLD PRINCIPLE,

BUT IT'S ALSO WORTH IT ON THE LEGAL BASIS AS WELL.

I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE UPDATED IF CITY COUNCIL

WANTS TO HEAR ONCE A YEAR ON THIS ORDINANCE AND THE

PROGRESS THAT WE ARE MAKING, THE STEPS THAT WE ARE

TAKING, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE.

WE DO THIS I THINK FOR TWO REASONS.

ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER ONE, THIS ORDINANCE AND HOW IT'S GOING.

NUMBER TWO IS REALITY.

IN 1965, THE IDENTITIES THAT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT FOR

CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES AREN'T THE SAME AS IN 2000, NOT THE

SAME AS 2020.

WE OUGHT TO BE BRIEFED ON THIS ONCE A YEAR SO THAT WE CAN

LOOK FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

AND WITH REGARDS TO TRAINING HOURS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO

MEASURE IT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH.

AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TODAY AS

WELL AS YEAR BY YEAR FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO

THE ORDINANCE.

I THINK THOSE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT ARE IN THERE, AND AGAIN THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.




AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TAKE AN

AGGRESSIVE STEP ON THIS ESPECIALLY WITH NATIONAL VOICES,

DENY THE EXISTENCE, AS OUTLANDISH AS IT MAY BE, WE HAVE

THAT AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A STAND ON THAT.

THANKS, MR. CHAIR.

12:04:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT WE GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:04:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP,

CHAIR.

THIS IS A HOT TOPIC FOR ME.

I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST BECAME A POLICE OFFICER AND

SANDY FREEDMAN'S NEED TO HIRE MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS.

BUT SHE I SUPPORT -- AND HE WAS TASKED WITH PUTTING ON

THIS TYPE OF TRAINING IN PERSON.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

THAT MR. TOKLEY WAS WRONG.

IN-PERSON TRAINING, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPLICIT

BIAS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE -- I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO USE

OTHER MECHANISMS TO GET THE POINT ACROSS.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER, SOMEONE

WHO CAN MONITOR THE SITUATIONS THAT ARE GOING NOT JUST

WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ISSUES, TOO.

I'M A BLACK MALE AND PEOPLE CALL MY OFFICE, THINGS ARE




GOING ON, THINGS NEED TO BE DONE.

TRAINING.

YOU CAN TRAIN ALL DAY LONG, BUT A PERSON'S CONSCIENCE

REALLY MAKES THEM CHANGE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE.

BUT I KNOW TRAINING IS NEEDED.

AND I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHO IS TRAINING WHO?

WE CAN SELECT SOME PEOPLE, BUT ARE THEY REALLY HAVING THE

HEART TO TRAIN AND GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY, GET TO THE

SOUL OF THOSE WHO MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT

COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK MAN OR YOUNG BOY.

I HAD TO BE TOLD BY MY PARENTS WHEN I COULD GO, WHAT TO

SAY, HOW TO DRESS, HOW TO ACT AROUND WHITE FOLKS.

WHERE OTHERS NEVER HAD TO HAVE THAT TRAINING.

TO ME IT'S WHO IS TRAINING THE TRAINERS AND WHO IS

GETTING THE PORTION OUT.

YOU CAN GO TO SCHOOL AND YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST KNOWLEDGE

OF EVERYTHING AND IF YOU NEVER HAD TO REALLY EXPERIENCE

BEING IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDERSERVED, BEING AROUND

DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DISABILITY, WORKING WITH THEM, THAT'S

HOW YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE.

FORTUNATELY I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY BEING A COACH OF

KIDS WITH DISABILITIES, TO UNDERSTAND THEIR DISABILITY,

AND HOW THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF PLAYING BALL.

SO FOR ME, WHEN YOU PUT TRAINING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU

HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCE, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO GO AND




EXPERIENCE THOSE AND SOMETIMES SAY, WOW, I DIDN'T

REALIZE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I HAD A -- A YEAR AGO I HAD TO MEET WITH SOME PEOPLE TO

UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.

THAT WORD IS USED ALL THE TIME.

BUT THERE WERE SOME GOOD FOLKS TALKING AND COMMUNICATING,

AND I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE WE HAD

SOME AFRICAN AMERICANS SAYING THAT WORD NOT REALLY

KNOWING WHAT IT MANES AND KNOWING THE CULTURE.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE CULTURE, IT'S SOMETIMES AN HONEST

MISTAKE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.

AND TRAINING IS IMPORTANT.

BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL COME BACK

WITH HOPEFULLY THAT IDEA OF EMPLOYING THE CHIEF DIVERSITY

OFFICER, AND EVEN TODAY MAKING SURE THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO

REALLY LIVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO COME IN AND TALK

ABOUT THOSE THINGS, TO TALK ABOUT CULTURE.

SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, MAKING SURE

THAT WE ARE GETTING THE POINT ACROSS AND PEOPLE ARE

ACTUALLY BEING TRAINED AND THEY ARE BEING TOUCHED BY WHAT

IS REALITY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.

I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

12:09:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER, YOU ARE NEXT.




12:09:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.

I APPRECIATE THE PROFFER'S CONVERSATION.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HER.

12:09:32 >> I'M HERE.

12:09:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK RECENTLY, I READ AN ARTICLE,

A LENGTHY ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT IMPLICIT

BIAS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, GOING ON ALL OVER THE NATION,

AND CONTROVERSIAL AS ONE MIGHT EXPECT.

IT TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT DIFFERENT CITIES

ARE UTILIZING.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS -- I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SORT OF A

MINIMAL -- A MINIMAL APPROACH ON THIS.

DO YOU SEE ANY DOWN-SIDE, IF EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE

THE CITY, YOU KNOW, INCREASED THE NUMBER OF HOURS FOR THE

BIAS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR,

OR WHATEVER, JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY FRESH AND SHARP ON

THOSE ISSUES?

12:10:30 >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IT'S A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T DETERMINE THE

NUMBER OF HOURS BUT THE ISSUE ALONE.

IT'S REALLY HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED TO CONVEY WHAT NEEDS

TO BE CONVEYED?

AND AS I SAID BEFORE, WE FELT THAT THAT FIRST TRAINING, 8




HOURS, OF STAFF IS SUFFICIENT.

BUT THE POINT YOU MAKE THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT,

MAYBE NOT BRINGING THEM BACK FOR OUR FIVE TIMES A YEAR

BEFORE TO BOOST THEIR TRAINING BUT MAKING SURE THEY GET

THOSE REINFORCED MESSAGES.

WE RECENTLY MADE A VIDEO.

IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS A ROLL CALL VIDEO THAT

APPEARS TO POLICING CONCEPT TO THE PROBLEM WE HAVE BEEN

HEARING ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR WEARING MASKS, AND YOU KNOW

WALMART OR WHATEVER, AND HAVING THE POLICE CALLED.

AND WE MADE A COMMITMENT AT FIP TO MAKE MORE OF THOSE.

SO WHAT I WOULD SEE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IS WE DO

BELIEVE IN OUR BASIC 18 MONTHS FOR THE BOOSTER BUT YOUR

POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN SHORT

SPURTS.

12:11:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

WELL, MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THOSE,

WHATEVER ORDINANCE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND I HATE TO EVEN BRING IT UP,

I'M NOT A NAYSAYER, BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT

ARTICLE -- DID YOU SEE THE ARTICLE IN THE TIMES?

THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT ARTICLE THAT SAID THE

QUESTION -- THEY QUESTION THE EFFICACY OF THESE PROGRAMS

AT ALL.

AND I GUESS I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS TRAINING.




I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA AND GUDES SAID IT VERY WELL.

THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TYPE OF TRAINING.

FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING COUNCIL MEMBERS.

BUT HAVING DONE RESEARCH, AND ALSO, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN

THE CITY, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WITHIN THE CITY, AS

A FOLLOW-UP TO IDENTIFY IF IT'S WORKING, AND DO WE HAVE A

BENCHMARK, AND DO WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT WAYS TO -- I KNOW

IT'S SORT OF VAPOROUS AND VAGUE IN TERMS OF TESTING, BUT

WHO HOW DO YOU GET TESTED?

12:13:08 >> FIRST OF ALL, WE DO KNOW FROM REPORTS OF PARTICIPANTS

AND SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH ABOUT THE FACT THAT

IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

I MENTIONED THEY COME IN OVEN VERY DEFENSIVE, AND WE END

UP GETTING -- AND MANY OTHER TRAINING PROGRAMS, TOO --

WHAT WE GET WHEN WE ASK THEM, THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT MY

PROFESSIONAL LIFE.

I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THEY SAY THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT ME

AS A HUMAN.

BUT IN ADDITION TO TRAINING, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AND

GROWING BODY OF SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH SHOWING

THAT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING IMPACTS A ATTITUDE, RETENTION

AND BEHAVIOR.

AND COUNCIL PERSON, THIS IS VERY VARIOUS AUDIENCES,

VARIOUS TYPES OF GROUPS.

AND AN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, COMPARED TO MEMBERS OF A




CONTROL GROUP, INCREASE AWARENESS AND CONCERN ABOUT

DISCRIMINATION PRODUCES IN THOSE TRAINING, IMPLICIT BIAS

TRAINING, INCREASE BIAS AWARENESS AND CONCERN

ABOUT DISCRIMINATION, INCREASED MOTIVATION, AND INTENTION

TO USE BIAS REDUCING AND BIAS MANAGING.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE ARE STUDIES THAT DOCUMENT

REDUCTIONS IN BIAS BEHAVIOR AS A RESULT OF THIS TRAINING.

AS ONE EXAMPLE, RESEARCHERS HAVE DOCUMENTED THE HIRING,

GREATER HIRING OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES IN THE UNIVERSITY

DEPARTMENTS THAT WE SEE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING COMPARED

TO THOSE THAT DO NOT.

NOW, AS I MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED ON VARIOUS

TYPES OF TRAINING AUDIENCES.

THERE ARE SEVERAL FORTHCOMING EVALUATIONS OF IMPLICIT

BIAS TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND WITH THOSE STUDIES WE WILL DOCUMENT THE CHANGES I

DESCRIBED ABOVE.

WE HOPE IT SHOWS THEY ARE COMMITTED TO USING BIAS

MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES.

I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THAT SUPERVISORS EMBRACE THEIR ROLE

OF SUPERVISING OF FAIRNESS, IMPARTIAL POLICING.

BUT I DO WANT TO THROW OUT ONE CAUTIONARY NOTE.

BECAUSE OF COURSE THE BIG QUESTION IS, DOES IT IMPACT

BEHAVIOR?

AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.




UNFORTUNATELY, SOCIAL SCIENCE CAN'T ANSWER THE EVERY

QUESTION WE ASK OF IT.

AND EVEN A WELL-DONE STUDY WITH METHODOLOGY IS GOING TO

BE INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING TO MEASURE CHANGES -- I HAVE

BEEN UNABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEASURE THAT.

I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE IT.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WEISS WANT

BUT THAT IS SOME OF THE EVALUATIONS WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN

DONE AND THAT WE EXPECT.

12:15:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

MR. BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON METRICS AND

HOW WE MIGHT BE EVALUATING OUR PROGRESS IN THIS AREA?

12:16:10 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
I'M NOT SURE CHIEF BENNETT IS STILL ON

THE LINE.

12:16:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I MEANT CHIEF DUGAN.

12:16:26 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
OH.

IF NECESSARY, WE CAN GET A REPORT BACK.

YOU ARE BASICALLY JUST ASKING, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF

WE HAVE ANY RESEARCH EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TRAINING,

CORRECT?

12:16:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YEAH, RESEARCH.

DO WE HAVE ANY PROPOSED WAY TO ANALYZE OUR SUCCESS IN

THESE PROGRAMS AS WE PROCEED IN THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS?

SO THAT'S FINE.




WHENEVER THIS COMES BACK TO US FOR DISCUSSION OR

ORDINANCE, I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY, EITHER TPD OR CHIEF

BENNETT OR SOMEBODY TO TALK TO US ABOUT METRICS AND

ANALYSIS, ANALYZING OUR PROGRESS.

BUT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THAT'S ALL.

12:17:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING OR DO

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

12:17:23 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, JUST QUICKLY.

I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH SOME OF MY

COLLEAGUES, AND I DIDN'T BRING UP THIS ISSUE BUT THE

COMMUNITY CAME ONE NIGHT AND ENFORCED ACCESS TO INCLUDE

IT IN ITS IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.

WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS, AND AT THE TIME HEAD

OF THE TPA WAS THERE AND SAID DON'T SINGLE OUT POLICE BUT

MAKE SURE WE COVER THEM TO DO SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH ALL

EMPLOYEES, SO THAT'S THE MOTION THAT I THINK MR. IKE

STEVENS MADE, BUT GOING FORWARD TO APPLY TO ALL EMPLOYEES

OF THE CITY, AND THEN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PASSED.

SUBSEQUENTLY, WE LOOKED AT HOW TO CODIFY THIS, JUST TO

MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HAPPENING, AND MEMBERS OF THE

COMMITTEE CAME UP AND SPOKE THAT NIGHT IN CHARTER REVIEW

COMMISSION CONTACTED AND MAYBE OTHERS WHO WERE ON THE




COMMITTEE AND SAID, WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN CODIFIED, THE

KIND OF TRAINING YOU ASKED FOR, NOT BEING PUT FORWARD?

AND SO MY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS REALLY, I JUST WANT TO

MAKE SURE THAT STAFF MEMBERS DEALING WITH THIS ARE

TALKING TO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO RECOMMENDED

IT AND IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SENT TO US BY

SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A DIALOGUE WITH STAFF

THAT TRIED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED

FOR THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THANK YOU.

12:18:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN CITRO.

12:19:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THIS

WORKSHOP, ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS OF ALL THE MEMBERS AND

ONE THAT IMPRESSED ME THE MOST IS SHOW OF HANDS, WHO HERE

IS BIASED?

AND THAT MADE ME TURN AND FACE MYSELF.

I AM GLAD AGAIN, AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED THE

WORK THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DID, LISTENING TO

THE PEOPLE, LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS ON THIS.

AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE FINALLY BRINGING THIS TO

FRUITION.




MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:19:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS?

12:19:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NO, I DO NOT.

I WENT TO THE TRAINING, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT

DOCTOR IS FANTASTIC.

12:20:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JUST TO WRAP UP.

AGAIN I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE

DISCUSSION REGARDING BIAS AND IMPLICIT BIAS REMIND ME OF

A QUOTE FROM THE MOVIE "APOCALYPSE NOW," AND JUDGMENT

DEFEATS US.

AND WE ARE HERE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE JUDGE OTHERS,

BUT THROUGH THAT JUDGMENT, WE CAN EDUCATE EACH OTHER AND

LEARN ABOUT EACH OTHER.

AND SO THAT WE UNDERSTANDS OTHER PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND

PEOPLE IN GENERAL WHERE WE ELIMINATE THAT WORD JUDGMENT

FROM OUR VOCABULARY, AND WE EMPHASIZE THE WORD

UNDERSTANDING.

SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS HUMAN BEINGS, AND IT'S

UNFORTUNATE IN SEVERAL COUNTRIES, THROUGH SLAVERY,

THROUGH DIFFERENT TAPES OF DISCRIMINATION, EVERY

GENERATION HAS SOMETHING, ITSELF SEEMS.

BUT THROUGH THESE TYPES OF TRAINING, WE BETTER EDUCATE




OURSELVES, WE LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER, AND COUNCILMAN

CHAIR PRO TEM CITRO JUST MENTIONED, WHEN ASKED ABOUT

BIAS, AND I LOOKED AROUND AND I LOOKED AT MYSELF, AND WE

ARE ALL GUILTY TO SOME DEGREE.

NOBODY IS PERFECT.

BUT WE SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT GUILT.

WE SHOULD TRY TO BE BETTER PEOPLE, BETTER HUMAN BEINGS.

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE NEED TO

EMPHASIZE MORE SO PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND LEARN

BETTER ABOUT EACH OTHER.

AND THAT'S IT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, IT IS 12:21.

WE HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS TO GO.

WOULD COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE TO TAKE A RECESS FOR LUNCH

BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA?

OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE FINISH?

WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THE AGENDA TO GO.

12:22:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, JOHN DINGFELDER.

12:22:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

12:22:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I THINK WE STARTED OUT THIS MEETING

WITH A GOOD IDEA THAT THIS BE A 3-HOUR MEETING.

IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD 3-HOUR MEETING.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP.




I THINK THE ITEMS OUGHT TO BE REASONABLY DEFERRED UNTIL

THE AUGUST WORKSHOP.

I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEBODY FROM LEGAL STAFF THAT

INDICATED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT.

I GUESS THEY CAN CHIME IN ON THAT AS WELL, THE PLANNERS

WHO MIGHT BE ON THE PHONE.

BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY URGENCY ON ANY OF THOSE.

WE COULD CARRY THOSE OVER TO AUGUST 27th.

12:22:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSING COUNCIL GOING

GREEN, WHICH I THINK IS -- BEYOND THAT WE HAVE THE

WORKSHOP REGARDING CHAPTER 14, BONUS DENSITY, AND

POSSIBILITY OF CHAPTER 27.

PER COUNCIL DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS, WOULD COUNCIL BE OKAY

WITH POSTPONING TO THE AUGUST WORKSHOP?

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE EARLIER, IF YOU NOTED, COUNCIL

MEMBER CARLSON PUT ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR THAT DISCUSSION

TO SEPTEMBER WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE WITH THE CRB AND

POLICE AND EVERYTHING.

SO WE HAVE THAT, AND THAT WILL OPEN UP THE DAY.

I MEAN, THEREFORE, WE CAN DEFER THESE ITEMS, WHICH ARE

ITEMS 3, 5, 6 AND 7 TO THE AUGUST WORKSHOP, IF WE CAN

GET --

12:23:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL JUST DO THAT IN THE FORM OF A

MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:23:49 >>> ALL RIGHT.




WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER THESE ITEMS BY COUNCILMAN --

(AUDIO DISCONNECT).

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO POSTPONE?

3, 5, 6 AND 7.

12:24:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.

12:24:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I BELIEVE THAT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER

GUDES.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS?

HEARING NONE, LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

(AUDIO ECHO)

12:24:32 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:24:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:24:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:24:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:24:42 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

12:24:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:24:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:24:51 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER

BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES

SECONDING THE MOTION.

12:24:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE CONTINUE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS, ITEM

NUMBER 8, IMPLICIT BIAS -- (AUDIO ECHO)

12:25:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY.

12:25:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TECHNICAL




THING GOING ON.

COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:25:24 >> CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE --

12:25:43 >> (AUDIO ECHO CONTINUES)

12:25:47 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.

EVERY TIME I HAVE ECHO, WHICH IS WEIRD.

BUT THAT'S FINE.

BUT THAT'S FINE.

WHAT WAS THE -- WHAT WAS THE QUESTION -- THAT'S WHAT I

WAS ASKED LITTLE.

12:26:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I -- FOR THE SAKE OF

THE PEOPLE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE CLERK, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO

GO ON MUTE TO DROP THE ECHO.

TO DROP THE ECHO.

THANK YOU.

12:26:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IT SEEMS LAKE THE ECHO IS GONE.

COUNCILMAN VIERA, BEGIN AGAIN.

12:26:33 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.

WHAT QUESTION DID YOU ASK REGARDING EXPLICIT BIAS?

12:26:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS REGARDING ITEM

NUMBER 8 TO BE MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBERS?

12:26:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
WELL, YES.

AND I WANTED TO INQUIRE THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, DOES

THIS CONTEMPLATE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING BEING DONE BY

SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA?




I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, IN WHOLE OR IN PART.

12:27:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THIS IS ANDREA ZELMAN AGAIN.

IT DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT, WITH REGARD TO THE LAW

ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.

WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS CAPTURE WHAT THE CITY IS DOING

NOW WITH THE IMPLICIT TRAINING BY SAYING THAT ANY

TRAINING WILL UTILIZE, WE HAVE A CURRICULUM BUT WE ARE

GOING TO CHANGE TO CURRICULA, CONSISTENT WITH THAT

DEVELOPED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF

COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING SERVICES OR AN EQUIVALENT

PROGRAM.

AND THEN WE GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE TYPE

OF SUBJECT THAT HAS TO BE INCLUDED.

OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO NAME

A PARTICULAR COMPANY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE WANTED TO

REFLECT THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT DR. FRIDELL IS NOW

PROVIDING TO TPD.

WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY CONTEMPLATE ENOUGH BY TRAINER.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY RAISES SO PROCUREMENT

ISSUES.

SO I WANTED TO -- MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AGAIN, WE GAVE

YOU THIS ORDINANCE IN DRAFT FORM.

WE WILL DO IT AS SOME OF YOU SUGGESTED AND TALK TO THE

FOLKS AT THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION AND ANY OTHER

INTERESTED PARTIES AND ALSO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH




INTO WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH REGARD TO HIRING AN

OUTSIDE TRAINER AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT INTERNALLY, AND

REPORT BACK TO YOU AT THE TIME WE BRING THE ORDINANCE TO

YOU, OWN A REGULAR AGENDA AT THAT POINT WE CAN AGAIN

ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO HAVE DISCUSSION WAS.

THAT WAS MY THOUGHT.

12:28:58 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

12:29:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:29:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU.

I WOULD THEN DO A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF, LEGAL,

RETURN TO US FOLLOWING THEIR INTERNAL DISCUSSION WAS AN

ORDINANCE THAT WOULD CONTEMPLATE WHAT WE SEE BEFORE US

TODAY, PLUS TRAINING DONE IN WHOLE OR IN PART, AND WE CAN

DEFINE THE LEVEL OF THAT TO BE DONE BY SOME OUTSIDE

AGENCY.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT

TO THAT BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU TAKE

A LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE, A LOT OF CIVIL LIBERTIES

ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT FORTH IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR

LOCAL GOVERNMENT, A LOT OF TIMES, WE SEE THAT AS

SOMETHING THAT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED.

I HAVE A BOOK, PROBABLY 25 YEARS AGO, BY THE NAACP, WITH

BENJAMIN HOOK, WHO WAS THEIR NATIONAL PRESIDENT, I

BELIEVE THAT TALKS ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, BY LAW




ENFORCEMENT, AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IT SAYS IS DO IT

WITH SOME SORT OF OUTSIDE GROUP SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY

DONE INTERNALLY.

THAT WAY YOU GET MORE, I THINK, POSITIVE WORK IN THAT

REGARD.

SO I MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, AND TO HAVE CITY STAFF AND

LEGAL FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSIONS, AND RETURN TO US AT A

TIME THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH THE CHAIR, AS WELL AS WITH

AGAIN ANNUAL REPORTING TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE FROM THE

CITY.

WE CAN DO THAT WHENEVER WE PASS IT.

12:30:37 >> SECOND.

12:30:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I HAVE SEPTEMBER 3rd.

WE MAY NEED MORE TIME THAN THAT.

WE HAVE A SEPTEMBER 17th REGULAR MEETING.

12:30:52 >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WILL

NEED?

12:31:05 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

I ALSO THINK IT MIGHT BE IN COUNCIL'S INTEREST GIVEN A

VERY BUSY SEPTEMBER WITH A LAND OF LAND USE AS WELL AS

THE CITY BUDGET.

THIS IS A MORE MEATY SUBJECT.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED

AND ALSO GIVE US MORE TIME AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU.




(OVERLAPPING CONVERSATIONS)

12:31:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. ZELMAN, ANY DATE IN OCTOBER?

12:31:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
WHICHEVER YOU CHOOSE.

12:31:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE HAVE A REGULAR --

12:31:57 >>> WE HAVE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR OCTOBER

15th.

HOW IS THAT?

12:32:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU.

12:32:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR OCTOBER 15 BY

COUNCILMAN VIERA.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

LET'S TAP A ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:32:12 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:32:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:32:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:32:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:32:32 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

12:32:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:32:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:32:37 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA BEING MAKER

OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER SECONDING THE

MOTION.

12:32:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS FOR ITEM




NUMBER 8?

12:32:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR.

12:32:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.

12:32:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE WORD FIRST

RESPONDERS, AND WE KEEP SAYING LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF

DOJ AND THE ISSUES.

HOW ARE WE CATEGORIZING --

12:33:14 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.

(ECHO AUDIO)

LUMPING FIRE AND POLICE TOGETHER AS FIRST RESPONDERS.

WHAT WE FOUND HOWEVER WAS THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT LAW

ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DOING, AND SO MUCH MORE THAN

EVEN FIRE AND ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT IT JUST

MAKES SENSE TO US TO HAVE A SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR LAW

ENFORCEMENT, AND KEEP TAMPA FIRE GROUP WITH ALL THE OTHER

CITY EMPLOYEES.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING IT BACK

WHETHER WE SHOULD IN SOME WAY DISTINGUISH THE FAIR,

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, THEY DO JUST SIMPLY TRAIN THE SAME WAY

AS OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES TRAIN OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT

OFFICERS.

12:34:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I

WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT.

I STILL THINK THAT PUBLIC SERVANTS AND FIRST RESPONDERS




ARE OUT THERE WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND WHEN YOU TALK

ABOUT REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE STILL NOT DOING

THE SAME AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

SO I JUST RAISE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONCERNS

THAT HAVE COME UP.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT

WE ARE ADDRESSING ALL MEANS, EVERY DEPARTMENT, AND FAIR

AS FIRST RESPONDERS.

12:34:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS?

NO?

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE THE MOTION.

COUNCILMAN GUDES SECOND.

THAT CONCLUDE OUR AGENDA BECAUSE WE CONTINUED THE OTHER

ITEMS.

WE NOW GO TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS BY

COUNCIL MEMBERS.

JUST A REMINDER, WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY MOTION

TONIGHT, AT OUR 6 P.M.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS TO MAKE TODAY, NOW IS THE TIME

TO DO SO.

WE'LL START DOWN THE LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.




IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS OR ANY MOTIONS.

12:35:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
NONE SIR.

I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

NONE.

12:35:40 >>> COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TODAY?

12:35:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

YES.

I MOVE A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SETTING A

PLANNED AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 20-18, AND

TACPA 20-20 ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 10th, 2020,

AT 5:01 P.M.

12:36:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN

CITRO.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

12:36:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND, MIRANDA.

12:36:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:36:19 >>THE CLERK:
VIERA?

12:36:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:36:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:36:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THEM IF THERE'S

MORE OF THESE.

12:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

12:36:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

12:36:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.




12:36:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:36:57 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO BEING THE MAKER, MIRANDA

SECONDING THE MOTION.

12:37:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW MANY MORE DO YOU HAVE?

12:37:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE ONE MORE LIKE THIS AND YOU HAVE

THREE OTHERS.

12:37:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT K.WE BUNDLE THE THREE

OTHERS TOGETHER AND DO THIS ONE SEPARATE?

OR ARE WE --

12:37:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.

MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT ITEMS.

12:37:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OKAY.

12:37:21 >> I HOPE THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH COUNCIL.

12:37:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

WE'LL GET IT DONE.

12:37:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I DO APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT ONE I MOVE A REQUEST FOR PLANNING COMMISSION CITY

PLAN AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 19-18-AG, TACPA

19-21, TACPA 20-11, TA-CPA 20-13, TACPA 20-14, T AC

20-15, TACPA 20-16, TACPA 2017, TACPA 20-19, AND THE

PLANNING AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL HEARING WITH TACPA 20-12

ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 20th -- EXCUSE ME,

SEPTEMBER 24th, 2020 AT 5:01 P.M.

12:38:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.




12:38:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:38:26 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:38:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:38:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:38:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:38:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:38:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

12:38:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:38:50 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

12:38:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY PROCEED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I MOVE FOR STAFF FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, CODE

ENFORCEMENT AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY

RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORTING OF ENDORSEMENT OF THE MAYOR'S

EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRING FACE MASKS AT BUSINESSES,

EXECUTIVE ORDER 2020-30, REPORT OR UPDATE ON ENFORCEMENT.

THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY NUMBER

OF WARNING ISSUES, NUMBER OF CITATIONS ISSUED, NUMBER OF

REPORTS OF NONCOMPLIANCE, UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER, THE

REPORT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE AN EXPLANATION OF HOW THESE

DEPARTMENTS ARE RESPONDING TO NUMEROUS PHOTOS APPEARING

ONLINE VIA SOCIAL MEDIA OF NONCOMPLIANT BUSINESS.

MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE ARE OWNERS THAT ARE

COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY ARE SHUT DOWN, BUT YET THEY




START SEEING ALL THESE OTHER SO-CALLED BARS OPERATING AND

THEY DO NOT FEEL IT FITS THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS

ORDINANCE.

12:40:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

(NO AUDIO)

12:40:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
DID WE LOSE THE CHAIR AND ALSO WAS

THERE --

12:41:04 >>> I'M HERE NOW.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND BY

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

GO AHEAD WITH THE VOTE.

12:41:09 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:41:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:41:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:41:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:41:30 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

12:41:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:41:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:41:37 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO BEING THE MAKER

OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA THE SECONDER TO THE

MOTION.

12:41:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE MORE?

12:41:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES, I DO.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:41:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.




12:41:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I MOVE THAT STAFF REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL

ON SEPTEMBER 3rd ON HOW OUR VIRTUAL PROCEEDINGS HAVE

PROGRESSED, AND HOW AND CAN WHEN CITY COUNCIL RETURNS TO

IN PERSON PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS IN

THE EVENT THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT EXTEND HIS EXECUTIVE

ORDER AFTER SEPTEMBER 1st.

THAT'S THE END OF MY MOTION.

AND BUT MR. YOU ARE A COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WERE HELD IN

LIMBO AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS GOING TO EXTEND HIS

EXECUTIVE ORDER PAST AUGUST 1st.

THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION.

MR. CHAIR, IF YOU COULD ALSO ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS, YES OR

NO, IF THEY WILL COMMIT TO DOING PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR

QUASI-JUDICIAL IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THAT OCCUR.

12:42:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND, MIRANDA.

12:42:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

CITRO WITHIN A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:42:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

DINGFELDER.

12:43:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN

GUDES.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN GUDES IS

WHO I HEARD.




GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:43:14 >> THANK YOU.

I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED ON THE MOTION ITSELF.

ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND PART.

HE'S LOOKING FOR A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL TO APPEAR AT

SOME FUTURE MEETINGS WHEN WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE STATUS

OF THE COVID SITUATION IS GOING TO BE?

LAST WEEK WE HAD A REPORT AND SUGGESTION FROM DR. HOLT

THAT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE COVID SITUATION AND WAIT

FOR THE NUMBERS TO GO DOWN AND THE PERCENTAGES TO GO DOWN

BEFORE WE MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS AS A BODY.

SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE INTENT OF THE MOTION IS.

12:43:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:43:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

I JUST GOT A PHONE CALL, MY DEAR FRIEND, A CITY EMPLOYEE,

WAS JUST PASSED, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THE

NUMBERS ARE RISING STILL AND THE DEATHS ARE RISING IN THE

CITY.

I NEED MORE CLARIFICATION.

I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH, ANY IN-PERSON MEETING, I WILL

NOT RESPOND TO.

12:44:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN

CITRO.

12:44:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE CALL




ME, E-MAIL ME, THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING AND LAND USE,

WITHIN OUR CITY, THAT WANT TO GO BACK TO VIRTUAL PHYSICAL

QUORUM, QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS, SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THEM.

I HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH LEGAL, AND WHAT I AM ASKING ON

SEPTEMBER 3rd IS JUST TO REPORT HOW THESE VIRTUAL

MEETINGS ARE HELD UP -- EXCUSE ME, ARE BEING HANDLED SO

THAT WE CAN GET A FIRM GRASP ON HOW THIS IS WORKING.

THE SECOND PART, THE QUESTION I HAVE, HAS NOW BEEN

ANSWERED BY TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING THEY DON'T

WANT TO MEET IN A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

HOWEVER, AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING I ONLY HEARD FROM

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN VIERA ON WHO

WOULD BE WILLING TO COME FOR PHYSICAL FORUM.

WE CAN GO INTO A HYBRID, BUT MY QUESTION IS JUST WHO WILL

COMMIT TO BEING THERE FOR PHYSICAL QUORUM, MUCH LIKE WHAT

WAS REQUESTED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

SO WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON

SEPTEMBER 3rd ON HOW OUR VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE

PROGRESSING, AND, JUST UP OR DOWN, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO

COME IN FOR PHYSICAL QUORUM IN THE FUTURE FOR

QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:45:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

HAVING CLARIFICATION FOR A STAFF REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER

3rd.




ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY COUNCIL

MEMBERS?

12:46:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOTION TO AMEND, TO MODIFY THE

MOTION.

THE MOTION FOR SUBSTANTIVE MOTION, EITHER WAY.

MR. CITRO,

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST PART OF YOUR MOTION.

I THINK IT'S WELL INTENDED, AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO VOTE

IN FAVOR OF IT.

FOR A REPORT FROM STAFF ON SEPTEMBER WHATEVER.

AS TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

I WOULD ASK YOU TO BIFURCATE YOUR MOTION INTO TWO

SEPARATE MOTIONS.

AND THAT WAY WE CAN VOTE ON THE SECOND MOTION.

BECAUSE I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CRYSTAL BALL THAT YOU HAVE,

MR. CITRO, IF YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT THE COVID NUMBERS ARE

GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 3rd, THEN I WILL BE GLAD TO

COMMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS -- I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK

US TO BUNDLE THOSE TWO MOTIONS.

12:46:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. DINGFELDER, LET ME CLARIFY.

I ONLY HAVE ONE MOTION.

THE OTHER WAS JUST A REQUEST FOR MR. CHAIR TO ASK WHO

WOULD COMMIT.

THAT WASN'T A SECOND MOTION.




12:47:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, YOU ARE MAKING IT PART OF THE

SAME MOTION.

I WOULD ASK YOU TO BIFURCATE THAT INTO ONE MOTION AND ONE

REQUEST.

12:47:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WELL, I AM NOT DISAGREEING.

YES, I AM DISAGREEING WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

I FINISHED MY MOTION.

AND THEN I REQUESTED THAT THE CHAIR JUST CONFIRM WHO

WOULD BE WILLING.

IT WASN'T A MOTION.

IT WAS JUST A QUESTION.

12:47:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

SO YOU ARE MAKING SEPTEMBER.

12:47:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SEPTEMBER 3rd, YES, FOR A REPORT ON

HOW THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE GOING.

AND WHEN AND IF WE CAN RETURN TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL IN

PERSON QUORUM.

IN THE EVENT THAT OUR GOVERNOR DOESN'T RENEW HIS

EXECUTIVE ORDER ON SEPTEMBER 1st.

12:47:59 >> NOW WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A STAFF REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER

3rd.

REGARDING COUNCILMAN CITRO'S MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT?

12:48:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SECOND.

12:48:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.




ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:48:16 >>LUIS VIERA:
I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE WORDING.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I VOTE YES ON THIS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO

HAVE A REPORT ON THIS.

MANY DIFFERENT THINGS CAN CHANGE FROM WITH WEEK TO WEEK,

MONTH TO MONTH.

SO I VIEW THIS AS CARRYING FORWARD A REPORT.

AND THERE YOU GO.

12:48:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:48:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:48:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:48:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

12:48:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:48:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:49:01 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN CITRO BEING

THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SECONDING

THE MOTION.

12:49:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN CITRO?

12:49:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

JUST ONE LAST THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

STAFF WANTED ME TO RESTATE MY MOTION FOR I BELIEVE IT IS

THE SEPTEMBER 24th MEETING, FILE NUMBER E-2019-8,

TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED THAT I RESTATE A




MOTION MADE -- EXCUSE ME, MY ADDITION TO A MOTION THAT

WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

THE REASON I WANT STAFF HERE AND ANSWER THAT IS BECAUSE

OF DENSITY WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

ONE DAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT PARKING CHANGES.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DECIDE HOW

PARKING CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE ON PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY

STREETS WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER IT BE ONE SIDE OF

THE STREET OR THE OTHER.

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12:50:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOU DIDN'T NEED A MOTION ON THAT?

12:50:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO.

I THINK THAT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MY LONG-WINDEDNESS.

12:50:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

12:50:26 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST TO ANSWER TO COUNCILMAN CITRO'S, I

HAD CALLS FROM THE BUILDING INDUSTRY THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE

VERY IN FAVOR OF HAVING VIRTUAL MEETINGS, AGAIN HAVING

VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

AND MY ADVICE IS TO TALK TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND TRYING

TO WORK THAT OUT.

I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE IN PERSON MEETINGS NOT JUST FOR

THE SAFETY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT FOR STAFF AND

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS IF LEGAL




AFTER REVIEWING EVERYTHING FIND THAT WE MUST HAVE IN

PERSON MEETINGS, THEN I WILL

AND I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE FRIEND OF -- THEY

INFORM ME THAT AMTRAK STOPPED THEIR DAILY SERVICE TO

TAMPA TO UNION STATION, AND THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PASS A

RESOLUTION ASKING AMTRAK TO BRING THAT SERVICE BACK.

I HAVE TAKEN THE MOTION AND GIVEN IT TO MARTIN SHELBY.

BY THIS I WILL ASK HIM TO CIRCULATE IT SO THAT WE CAN

BRING IT UP FOR A VOTE NEXT WEEK.

THANK YOU.

12:51:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

ANYTHING ELSE?

12:51:34 >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT FOR ME.

THANK YOU.

12:51:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:51:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NOTHING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:51:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:51:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
NOTHING TODAY, SIR.

12:51:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:51:49 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. CHAIR.

JUST ONE QUICK MOTION, IF I MAY.

I MOTION FOR A STAFF REPORT ON ADDING ADDITIONAL SPIRIT

PROGRAM TO PARKS AND RECREATION FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL

NEEDS.




I HAD DONE SOME INTERNAL INQUIRIES ON THIS USUAL YOU.

AND THERE IS ONLY ONE PROGRAM OPERATING AT ONE LOCATION

RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY I WAS TOLD I WOULD ASK THAT THE

CITY CONSIDER OTHER LOCATIONS, ADDITIONAL STAFF, FURTHER

IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE LOCATIONS, THAT HOUSE THESE

PROGRAMS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.

AND IN PARTICULAR, DURING THE SUMMER PROGRAM, SO I AM

DOING THIS EARLY, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE RAISING A CHILD WITH

AUTISM OR CEREBRAL PALSY OR INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY,

QUITE OFTEN YOU ARE PRECLUDED IN EFFECT FROM A LOT OF OUR

SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A

STANCE WITH REGARD TO INCLUSION.

IT WILL COST EXTRA MONEY, BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE MONEY

WELL SPENT.

SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT A REPORT COME BACK IN THAT

REGARD, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

WE CAN DO IT IN OCTOBER.

THAT'S FINE.

12:53:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET ME LOOK AT THE OCTOBER CALENDAR.

12:53:03 >>LUIS VIERA:
OR WHATEVER IS YOUR WILL, MR. CHAIR.

12:53:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OCTOBER 15th.

12:53:10 >>LUIS VIERA:
THERE YOU GO.

12:53:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN

VIERA.




DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

12:53:16 >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

12:53:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT WAS BY GUDES?

12:53:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES, SIR.

12:53:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE NOW?

12:53:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:53:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:53:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:53:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:53:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:53:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).

12:54:01 >>THE CLERK:
IS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON ON THE LINE

STILL?

MANISCALCO?

12:54:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:54:10 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAVING

TECHNICAL ISSUES.

12:54:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

12:54:16 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND NO MOTIONS.

I WANTED TO SAY TWO THINGS FIRST OFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL ON THE LINE.

I WAS GOING TO BE GOING TO THIS EVENING'S TAMPA CITY

COUNCIL FOR A VERY SHORT MEETING.

AND COVID THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH PEOPLE NOT BEING




ABLE TO BE AT CERTAIN PLACES, A CONFLICT HERE WITH MY

YOUNG 13 YEAR OLD SON, AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON ACTUALLY

STEPPED UP TO TAKE MY PLACE TONIGHT.

SO EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE, I FOUND THAT OUT YESTERDAY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THAT AND THANK

COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR HIS PROFESSIONAL COURTESY, AND TO

YOU, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THE MEETING SO

WELL.

THAT IS ALL.

THANK YOU.

12:54:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO WRAP UP, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO

WISH MY MOTHER A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

12:55:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

12:55:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND I CAN'T SAY HOW OLD SHE IS. WE

DON'T GO PAST 39.

AND ALSO WITH REGARDS TO COVID-19, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN

IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY THAT BELOVED BY

MANY AND VERY WELL KNOWN WITH COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS.

EVEN DURING THIS MEETING, HERMAN CAIN, WHO WAS A PAST

PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO PASSED

AWAY.

AGAIN THEY ARE SAYING COVID-19.

SO IT'S AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT'S VERY SPREAD OUT.

AND WE HAVE TO TAKE SAFETY.




I JUST MENTION THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS.

AND NEW CASES ARE COMING IN.

IT'S AVERAGING BETWEEN 9,000 AND 10,000 CASES A.

THE NUMBERS FLUCTUATE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

AND DEATHS CONTINUE TO KEEP ADDING UP.

SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT VERY ARE VERY SERIOUSLY.

I DO HAVE A MOTION.

LET ME PULL IT UP HERE. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE CHIEF

OF STAFF.

WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTAL BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAD TO CANCEL

FROM THE JUNE 18th MEETING AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF

ASKED THAT WE RESCHEDULE THOSE, SOMETIME BEFORE THE FIRST

BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 3rd.

WE HAVE ROUGHLY TWO HOURS HERE, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT

ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MEETING, POSSIBLY THE WEEK OF AUGUST

10th, 13th.

WE COULD DO MAYBE MONDAY, AUGUST 10th OR TUESDAY,

AUGUST 11th BETWEEN LIKE 9:00 AND 11:00.

IT'S OF COURSE VIRTUAL.

12:30 TO 3 OR 1:30 TO BE 3:30.

I MAKE A MOTION WE SCHEDULE TWO HOURS FOR DEPARTMENTAL

BRIEFING FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 10th, LET US SAY 9 TO 11,

VIRTUAL.

COUNCILMAN CITRO, I PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU TO MAKE THIS




MOTION.

THESE ARE JUST DEPARTMENTAL BRIEFINGS.

THAT'S MY MOTION FOR AUGUST 10th, 9 A.M. TO 11 A.M.

12:57:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:


12:57:28 >>BILL CARLSON:
MA MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

12:57:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SECOND BY.

12:57:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

12:57:43 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:57:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:57:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:57:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:57:54 >>BILL CARLSON:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).

12:57:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:57:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:58:01 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CHAIR MANISCALCO BEING THE MAKER

OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SECONDING THE

MOTION, WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES.

12:58:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

ANYONE?

12:58:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SO MOVED.

12:58:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.

12:58:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO

RECEIVE AND FILE.




SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ROLL CALL.

12:58:25 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES.

12:58:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YES.

12:58:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

12:58:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YES.

12:58:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
(NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)

12:58:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YES.

12:58:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

12:58:49 >>THE CLERK:
MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA

BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES

SECONDING THE MOTION, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON

TECHNICAL ISSUES.

12:59:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE WILL BE BACK IN A HYBRID FASHION THIS EVENING.

REMEMBER THERE ARE NO MOTIONS THIS EVENING, JUST TO OPEN

AND HAVE THIS BRIEF MEETING.

SO 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.



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