TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 30, 2020
9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP SESSION
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09:00:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:00:32 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
09:00:35 VIRTUAL MEETING TO ORDER. ALL RIGHT.
09:00:41 IF WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.
09:00:45 (MOMENT OF SILENCE)
09:00:51 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:00:51 IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:00:54 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:00:57 ALL RIGHT.
09:01:04 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:01:05 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:01:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:01:12 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:01:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:01:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:01:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:01:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:01:24 ALL RIGHT.
09:01:26 MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NOW?
09:01:28 WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I
09:01:31 RECEIVED FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF?
09:01:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD MAKE MINE FIRST, I WOULD
09:01:38 APPRECIATE IT.
09:01:38 THANK YOU.
09:01:39 GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
09:01:40 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:01:42 BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY, THIS VIRTUAL
09:01:46 WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING HELD IN
09:01:49 ACCORDANCE WITH THE DECLARATIONS AND PROVISIONS OF THE
09:01:52 GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER 20-69 (FEEDBACK NOISE) AND
09:02:03 EXTENDED BY ... ALSO BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION ...
09:02:18 AND REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA
09:02:19 TECHNOLOGY, AND THE PUBLIC CAN VIEW ON CABLE TV AND THE
09:02:26 INTERNET, AND BECAUSE THE MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED --
09:02:31 THE FOLLOWING ALTERNATIVE METHODS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED
09:02:34 FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:02:36 VIA THE INTERNET OR WEB, BY VOICE MAIL, BY MAIL, OR TO
09:02:41 SPEAK REMOTELY VIA PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:02:45 NOW WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS RECEIVED IN WRITING, THEY
09:02:48 HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY
09:02:51 WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD WHEN THE ITEMS ARE
09:02:53 RECEIVED AND FILED.
09:02:55 AND THERE WILL COME A POINT IN TIME THAT PEOPLE WILL BE
09:03:00 ABLE TO HEAR THE RECORDED VOICE MAIL, AND THEN PEOPLE
09:03:03 WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SPEAK LIVE
09:03:05 REMOTELY, PREREGISTERED.
09:03:10 THOSE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC ARE ON THE CITY
09:03:12 COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPAGOV.NET/PUBLICCOMMENT.
09:03:23 ONE WORD.
09:03:23 PURSUANT TO YOUR MOTION, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT SAYS ON
09:03:25 THE AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN AT THE BEGINNING
09:03:29 OF THE MEETING, NOT YOUR USUAL IN-PERSON PROCESS WHERE
09:03:34 AFTER EACH WORKSHOP PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN.
09:03:36 EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT IT WILL
09:03:39 BE AT THE START OF THE MEETING.
09:03:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:03:43 BYE-BYE.
09:03:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
09:03:46 BEFORE WE BEGIN, I RECEIVED E-MAIL FROM CHIEF OF STAFF
09:03:50 JOHN BENNETT REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 4.
09:03:54 HE HAS REQUESTED THAT THAT ITEM BE MOVED TO THE FIRST
09:03:59 POSITION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE OF SITUATIONS
09:04:03 BEYOND HIS CONTROL.
09:04:06 IF THAT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:04:08 ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO OPINE ON THAT?
09:04:11 ALL RIGHT.
09:04:12 HEARING NONE, THAT MEANS THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF WILL
09:04:16 MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN
09:04:20 WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND 2 AND BEGIN FROM
09:04:24 THERE.
09:04:25 ALSO JUST A NOTE. THIS IS A VIRTUAL WORKSHOP MEETING.
09:04:28 THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ITEMS.
09:04:29 MY GOAL TODAY IS FOR US TO CONCLUDE BY 12:30.
09:04:33 I KNOW WE COULD GO LONGER, BUT IF WE COULD KEEP OUR
09:04:38 COMMENTS PRECISE AND TO THE POINT AND TRY TO KEEP THIS
09:04:42 MEETING GOING.
09:04:45 WE NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:04:47 I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE WITH LIVE CALLERS
09:04:53 STANDING BY AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME PRERECORDED MESSAGES.
09:04:56 ALSO, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, TWO SPEAKERS HERE FOR PUBLIC
09:05:01 COMMENT, BOTH WITH THE ACLU, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT THEY
09:05:05 HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TIME.
09:05:06 SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.
09:05:10 THOSE SPEAKERS ARE JAMIE KLAPHOLZ AND ANOTHER IS MR.
09:05:14 JAMES SHAW.
09:05:15 THEY HAVE FIVE MINUTES EACH.
09:05:18 ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THAT?
09:05:23 ALL RIGHT.
09:05:24 HEARING NONE, THREE MINUTES, AND THOSE FIVE MINUTES.
09:05:37 CLERK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC
09:05:40 COMMENT.
09:05:40 >>THE CLERK: YES, ABSOLUTELY, CHAIR.
09:05:43 THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAVE IS CONNIE BURTON.
09:05:48 MS. BURTON, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
09:05:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONNIE BURTON.
09:06:03 >>THE CLERK: I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE TECHNICAL ISSUES
09:06:05 WITH HER.
09:06:06 AND WE MOVE ON TO RISASI MILIMA? I THOUGHT I MIGHT MESS
09:06:15 UP THAT NAME.
09:06:18 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:06:18 >> MY NAME IS RISASI MILIMA. I AM AN INTERNATIONAL
09:06:31 PRESENTER ON CULTURAL COMPETENCE, DIVERSITY AND
09:06:33 INCLUSION.
09:06:35 I AM SPEAKING TODAY IN SUPPORT OF AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING
09:06:38 THE CITY TO COMPLETE CULTURAL BIAS, COMPETENCE (AUDIO
09:06:46 CUTTING OUT) BIAS TRAINING.
09:06:47 AND IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT BE DONE BY
09:06:51 EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION, A LOCAL EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION TO
09:06:53 THE CITY, AND THE CITY IS ABLE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DO
09:06:59 THAT IN-HOUSE.
09:07:00 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT BE DONE BY BONA FIDE AFRICAN
09:07:06 AMERICAN ADVOCACY GROUP -- (FEEDBACK) BECAUSE IF THE CITY
09:07:11 HAS ALREADY DECIDED HOW IT WILL CONDUCT THIS TRAINING AND
09:07:16 SUPPORT IT, IT IS SIMPLY A CONTINUATION OF PLANTATION
09:07:24 MENTALITY AND CORPORATE MISGIVINGS.
09:07:27 TO WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE
09:07:31 PROCESS, AND THE PARTICULAR NUANCES IN PLACE NOT ONLY IN
09:07:39 TAMPA BUT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS VITAL TO NOT ONLY THE
09:07:44 MOVEMENT BUT VITAL TO THE CITY STAFF PROGRAM.
09:07:51 ALTHOUGH WE CERTAINLY ARE AWARE THIS WILL DECIDE IF THE
09:07:55 CITY MAY HAVE THE SKILLS, WOULD NOT HAVE THE OBJECTIVITY
09:08:03 THAT IS REQUIRED TO SUCH A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TRAINING.
09:08:14 IT WILL BE UNCOMFORTABLE.
09:08:16 BUT IT'S TIME THAT NEEDS UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS TO
09:08:20 BE HAD.
09:08:21 SO THAT THE PAIN TO REDUCE THE TRAUMA AND THE MISGIVINGS
09:08:25 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE COUNTY HELP MOVE THE PROCESS
09:08:32 FORWARD.
09:08:32 I ASK THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE PUT FORTH BY
09:08:37 THE COALITION AND OTHER GROUPS THAT DEMAND FOR THE NEEDS
09:08:46 OF THIS IMPORTANT TRAINING.
09:08:47 THANK YOU.
09:08:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:08:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:08:50 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:08:51 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.
09:09:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
09:09:04 >>CLERK: MR. BENJAMIN? YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
09:09:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BENJAMIN? OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK
09:09:23 TO THE THINGS WE CALLED OUT.
09:09:26 YOU WILL ALSO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF WE COULD GO
09:09:28 TO THE NEXT PERSON THEN.
09:09:29 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT PERSON IS ZULEMA RAMOS.
09:09:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.
09:09:38 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:09:45 AM I BEING HEARD?
09:09:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, YOU ARE, GO AHEAD.
09:09:50 >> I AM WITH THE TAMPA BAY HOUSING JUSTICE COMMITTEE.
09:09:52 I HAVE LIVED IN THIS CITY ALMOST MY WHOLE LIFE.
09:09:55 I GOT MY DEGREE HERE.
09:09:56 AND I HAVE BEEN BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AMONG
09:10:04 OTHERS HARASSED, BLACK, BROWN, DISABLED AND -- COMMUNITY
09:10:11 MEMBERS IN THAT TIME.
09:10:13 AND BECAUSE OF THIS, I'M ASKING YOU ALSO TO SUPPORT THE
09:10:19 RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COMPETENCY VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE.
09:10:24 THEIR VERSION WILL REQUIRE BIANNUAL TRAINING AND MOVE
09:10:27 TRAINING TO BE DONE IN A CLASSROOM SETTING POST-COVID AND
09:10:32 WILL CALL FOR THE HIRING OF THE TRAINING PROGRAM RUN BY A
09:10:36 PERSON OF COLOR OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF AN INTERNAL PROGRAM.
09:10:41 AND THIS PROGRAM WILL ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH THE CHARTER
09:10:44 AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY 75% OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.
09:10:51 ALSO, THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE CULTURAL COMPETENCY PROGRAM
09:10:54 CALLS FOR STRICTER, MORE PERSONALIZED TRAINING FOR FIRST
09:10:58 RESPONDERS THAT IS NECESSARY IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE
09:11:03 EQUIPPED TO SAFELY ASSESS ALL RESIDENTS.
09:11:06 SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE RATHER
09:11:09 THAN AN INTERNAL PROGRAM UNTIL WE COMPLETELY ABOLISH --
09:11:16 SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF ME AND MY COMMUNITY.
09:11:20 AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
09:11:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:11:24 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JAMES SHAW.
09:11:32 UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
09:11:35 YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
09:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:11:39 YES, SIR.
09:11:39 >> I'M JAMES SHAW. I AM A PRACTICING ATTORNEY.
09:11:45 I PRACTICE DOWNTOWN. I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.
09:11:46 CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE GREATER TAMPA LEGAL PANEL, AND
09:11:53 SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE UNITARIAN
09:11:56 UNIVERSALIST CHURCH OF TAMPA, AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE OF
09:11:58 HILLSBOROUGH DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, BUT RIGHT
09:12:01 NOW I WANT TO TALK TO YOU AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA.
09:12:04 I WANT TO DO SOME MYTH BUSTING BECAUSE OF THE MYTHS ABOUT
09:12:09 CITY COUNCIL'S POWER.
09:12:10 FIRST OFF IS THAT YOU CANNOT CREATE A BOARD WITH SUBPOENA
09:12:15 POWER, EVEN IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND YOU
09:12:19 ARE UNABLE TO DO IT.
09:12:20 THERE ARE TWO BASES FOR THIS.
09:12:22 THE FIRST IS THE D'AGOSTINO VS. CITY OF MIAMI, 220 SO.
09:12:26 3RD PAGE 410.
09:12:32 IF YOU READ THAT OPINION, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.
09:12:33 IT SAYS THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS ONLY PROHIBITS
09:12:38 SUBPOENAS TO THE OFFICER, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS FAIR GAME
09:12:41 BUT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A BOARD CAN BE CREATED WITH SUBPOENA
09:12:46 POWERS.
09:12:46 IT'S JUST THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS.
09:12:49 THE SECOND BASIS FOR THAT IS THE GARCIA CASE, 573
09:12:55 SOUTHERN 2ND PAGE 932 SAYS IT CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT
09:12:59 AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION.
09:13:01 THAT WAS ONLY TRUE FOR MIAMI AND IT WAS ONLY TRUE BETWEEN
09:13:05 1968 AND 2001 WHEN MIAMI CREATED HOME RULE POWERS.
09:13:10 THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IN THE 1885 CONSTITUTION,
09:13:14 THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED DILLON'S RULE WHICH SAYS
09:13:21 UNLESS AUTHORIZED TO DO IT BY STATUTE.
09:13:23 IN THE HOME RULE, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THE STATE
09:13:27 LEGISLATURE CAN DO EXCEPT FOR SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT DON'T
09:13:31 APPLY HERE.
09:13:32 SO MIAMI WAS CARVED OUT.
09:13:34 1968 CONSTITUTION, AND THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO IT
09:13:41 EXCEPT MIAMI.
09:13:42 MIAMI HAD TO UPDATE ITS CHARTER IN 2001, AND NO LONGER
09:13:49 APPLIED, CAN'T DO IT.
09:13:51 THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT THE UPDATE
09:13:53 OF THE CHARTER IN 2019 HAS CHANGED SO THAT YOU CAN'T PASS
09:13:58 ORDINANCES AT ALL.
09:14:02 THAT'S ALSO NOT TRUE.
09:14:03 IF YOU LOOK AT 79.01 OF THE CHARTER, A FEW BOARDS IN THE
09:14:08 CHARTER ITSELF AND THEN IT SAYS MAY BE CREATED BY
09:14:13 ORDINANCE.
09:14:14 AN AD HOC COMMITTEE CREATED BY RESOLUTION UPON THE
09:14:17 RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.
09:14:19 SO THAT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT STANDING BOARDS LIKE THE
09:14:22 CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD CAN BE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.
09:14:25 AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THAT NEEDS TO
09:14:28 BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR.
09:14:29 BUT APPROVED BY THE MAYOR DOES NOT MODIFY THE ORDINANCE.
09:14:33 ORDINANCE IS SET FORTH IN SECTIONS 2.07 TO 2.10 OF THE
09:14:37 CHARTER AND OVERRIDING A VETO AND SO FORTH.
09:14:42 THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT
09:14:45 TOOK AWAY YOUR ABILITY TO OVERRIDE A VETO, FOR INSTANCE.
09:14:50 THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS REMAINS THE SAME.
09:14:53 THERE'S A LETTER THAT WAS CIRCULATED YESTERDAY BY AN
09:14:55 ATTORNEY, QUOTING IT, IT SAYS BY IMPLEMENTING THE
09:15:01 PROPOSED PROVISIONS, COUNCIL WOULD BE VIOLATING -- THE
09:15:06 CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION OF SECTION 112.533 SUBSECTION
09:15:12 2-A AND PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE REQUIRED INFORMATION TO CRB
09:15:16 TO COMMIT MISDEMEANORS BY VIOLATING SECTION 112.533
09:15:19 SECTION 4.
09:15:21 THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART.
09:15:23 CRB MEMBERS AND PERHAPS EVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE
09:15:25 ACCESSORIES.
09:15:29 THE STAFF FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT 15 YEARS AGO, SECTION
09:15:32 12.533 SUBSECTION 4 WAS HELD UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN A CASE
09:15:36 CALLED COOPER VERSUS DILLON, 403 FEDERAL 3rd, PAGE
09:15:40 1208.
09:15:43 IT ALSO NEGLECTED TO TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE LEGISLATIVE
09:15:46 IMMUNITY IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, THAT NO
09:15:49 LEGISLATORS, STATE, FEDERAL OR LOCAL, HAS EVER BEEN
09:15:53 ARRESTED FOR VOTING YES OR NO ON PENDING LEGISLATION.
09:15:56 SO THAT JUST IS NOT TRUE.
09:16:00 THE LETTER ALSO SUGGESTS THAT THE CHIEF MUST SOMEHOW BE
09:16:03 INSULATED AGAINST OPINIONS OF THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD,
09:16:11 THAT IT WOULD CAUSE GRIEVANCE.
09:16:15 THAT'S JUST A RIDICULOUS CONCERN.
09:16:17 THE CHIEF WOULD BE ABLE TO WAIVE THAT.
09:16:19 FOR A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE WORDS STRONG
09:16:24 MAYOR DON'T APPEAR IN OUR CHARTER, AND THERE'S NO
09:16:27 DEFINITION OF THAT.
09:16:28 THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES -- THAT BECAME THE
09:16:35 EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY VERSUS ELECTED DIRECTLY BY THE
09:16:38 VOTERS.
09:16:40 BUT THAT IS NOT A THING, ALTHOUGH THAT TERM IS THROWN
09:16:44 AROUND.
09:16:45 IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LEGAL DEFINITION AND DOESN'T COME
09:16:48 ANYWHERE IN THE CHARTER.
09:16:49 THAT'S THE END OF MY TIME.
09:16:50 THANK YOU.
09:16:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:16:52 ALL RIGHT.
09:16:53 NEXT SPEAKER.
09:16:55 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JAMIE KLAPHOLZ.
09:17:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
09:17:06 CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?
09:17:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
09:17:09 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:17:11 MY NAME IS JAMIE -- [RUSTLING PAPERS] I AM HERE TO SPEAK
09:17:18 ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH TO
09:17:22 ESTABLISH INDEPENDENT -- OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:17:29 I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH INDEPENDENT POLICE OVERSIGHT
09:17:33 PANEL HERE IN TAMPA FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
09:17:36 AND MY COLLEAGUES AND I SPENT MANY HOURS PUTTING TOGETHER
09:17:39 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH.
09:17:44 WE DID OUR ORIGINAL RESEARCH AS YOU HEARD FROM MY
09:17:47 COLLEAGUE JAMES SHAW A MOMENT AGO AND WORKED WITH THE
09:17:51 LOCAL ACLU AND NAACP CHARTERS.
09:17:56 AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IS A TRULY INDEPENDENT BOARD
09:18:01 EMPOWERED TO ASSESS COMPLAINTS AND.
09:18:09 THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS A GOOD START AND WOULD
09:18:13 STAND THE SCOPE OF INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:18:16 MUST DISCLOSE --
09:18:26 (AUDIO DROP)
09:18:32 BY THE CRB WOULD BE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO FORWARD ANY
09:18:45 COMPLAINTS TO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD BUREAU.
09:18:48 UNDER OUR PROPOSAL IT ALSO HAS THE DISCRETION TO OPEN AN
09:18:51 INVESTIGATION OF ITS OWN.
09:18:53 AND SUBPOENA POWERS ARE SO IMPORTANT IN THIS CONTEXT
09:18:56 BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE CRB CAN
09:19:00 INDEPENDENTLY COLLECT INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE
09:19:03 ORIGINAL SOURCE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE FILTER
09:19:05 OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:19:07 AN OVERSIGHT BOARD IN GENERAL, THEY ARE THE EXERCISERS OF
09:19:11 SUBPOENA POWER COOPERATION FROM WITNESSES.
09:19:18 BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE
09:19:21 THERE'S A CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE, WHETHER IT BE
09:19:23 SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FROM A STORE OWNER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO
09:19:31 TURN IT OVER OR A WITNESS WHO DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE.
09:19:34 SO IN THOSE INSTANCES, SUBPOENA POWER IS ABSOLUTELY
09:19:37 CRUCIAL.
09:19:37 AND THE CRB MUST BE ABLE TO ENGAGE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT
09:19:43 COUNSEL APART FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO AVOID
09:19:47 ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THE CRB, AND SUBPOENA THAT
09:19:54 MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE.
09:19:55 THE CRB ATTORNEY CAN BE AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE,
09:20:00 FOR ONLY A FEW HOURS OF WORK PER MONTH.
09:20:05 WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN INORDINATE LINE ITEM, BUT CAN BE
09:20:10 AN ATTORNEY LIKE OTHER CLIENTS AND JUST SPEND A BE FEW
09:20:12 HOURS PER MONTH ADVISING THE CRB, AND ADVISING THEM, YOU
09:20:24 KNOW.
09:20:28 NOW, THE MAKEUP OF THE CRB, OUR PROPOSAL CALLS FOR A
09:20:33 NOMINATING COMMITTEE BY CITY COUNCIL TO RUN THE
09:20:37 APPLICATION PROCESS, CONDUCT INTERVIEWS, AND SEEK
09:20:41 NOMINATION, AND FROM THE NOMINEES THE MAYOR WOULD APPOINT
09:20:45 FOUR MEMBERS AND EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINT ONE
09:20:48 MEMBER.
09:20:48 WE BELIEVE THAT NO ONE PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPOINT A
09:20:51 MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, AND IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING AN
09:20:56 INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE BOARD, WE CERTAINLY DON'T THINK
09:20:59 THAT THE MAYOR IS IN CHARGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN
09:21:05 CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF
09:21:07 THE MEMBERS.
09:21:08 AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUE JAMES SHAW, YOU DO
09:21:13 HAVE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL JUST LIKE ANY
09:21:15 OTHER ORDINANCE.
09:21:15 THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT PRECLUDES YOU
09:21:18 FROM DOING SO.
09:21:19 AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE
09:21:21 STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
09:21:23 SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS JUST TELLS THE DECISION
09:21:28 YOU HAVE TO MAKE AND WE THINK OUR PROPOSAL REPRESENTS A
09:21:35 AND WE HOPE YOU WILL ADOPT OUR PROPOSAL.
09:21:39 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:21:43 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:21:44 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS SHARON GRAHAM.
09:21:47 IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
09:21:50 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:21:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHARON?
09:21:56 >> HELLO.
09:21:57 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:21:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
09:22:00 GO AHEAD.
09:22:00 >> THANK YOU.
09:22:01 MY NAME IS SHARON GRAHAM, AND I OWN A PRIVATE PRACTICE
09:22:05 THAT SERVES ALL TAMPA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
09:22:08 I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE REALLOCATION OF
09:22:12 FUNDING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO STRENGTHEN
09:22:16 TRAINING FOR OFFICERS, DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, AND
09:22:21 DIVERSITY INCLUSION AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY. THIS
09:22:26 TRAINING MUST BE PROVIDED BY OUTSIDE BLACK-OWNED FIRM TO
09:22:31 TRULY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.
09:22:36 DATA FROM CITIES ACROSS THE NATION SHOW THAT ABOUT 4% OF
09:22:39 OFFICERS TIME IS DEVOTED TO HANDLING VIOLENT CRIME.
09:22:43 IN SPITE OF THIS, WE HAVE SEEN INCREASED MILITARIZATION
09:22:47 OF THE POLICE FORCE NATIONWIDE, AND WE KNOW FROM OUR
09:22:51 BUDGET AND COMMUNITY THAT TAMPA IS NO DIFFERENT.
09:22:58 THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND MUST STOP.
09:23:00 THE QUESTION YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO
09:23:06 MAKE THESE CHANGES IN POLICY OR WHETHER IT WILL FALL TO
09:23:09 THE NEXT COUNCIL PERSON WITH WHOM YOU WILL BE REPLACED.
09:23:14 THE PURPOSE AND MISSION OF ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO
09:23:17 PROTECT AND TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
09:23:19 CONSIDERING THE HISTORY AND ORIGINS, QUOTE, JUSTICE
09:23:25 SYSTEM IN OUR NATION, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, TO
09:23:28 BRIDGE THE TRUST AMONG OUR BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS.
09:23:34 TRUST FOR GOOD REASON, AND TAMPA IS NO EXCEPTION TO THIS
09:23:37 SYSTEMIC RACISM, WHITE SUPREMACY THAT IS PRESENT IN
09:23:42 POLICING.
09:23:43 SHALL CONTINUE RACIAL DISPARITIES THAT ARE GROTESQUE AND
09:23:47 UNACCEPTABLE.
09:23:48 WE MUST -- INVEST IN DIVERSITY TRAINING FREE OF CONFLICT
09:23:54 OF INTEREST AND DEESCALATION.
09:23:59 THESE ARE THE ONLY TECHNIQUES THAT SHOULD BE USED WITH
09:24:04 INTERACTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO THE DATA AND OUR
09:24:07 BUDGET MUST REFLECT THAT.
09:24:09 WE HAVE SEEN INSTANCES OF POLICE BRUTALITY OF CITIZENS
09:24:14 WHILE THEY ARE BEING ARRESTED AND THEY ARE SIMPLY
09:24:17 IGNORED.
09:24:17 THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL AND SHOWS LACK OF TRAINING OF
09:24:23 OUR OFFICERS.
09:24:28 THE REPEATED ESCALATION AND INTERACTION OF ALL CITIZENS
09:24:31 PARTICULARLY OUR BALLPARK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS IS
09:24:34 INEFFECTIVE AND UNACCEPTABLE.
09:24:39 A LACK OF LEADERSHIP THROUGH OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND ITS
09:24:43 INABILITY TO RECEIVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND IMPLEMENT
09:24:46 IMPROVEMENTS.
09:24:49 THIS IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE AND UNTENABLE.
09:24:52 OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT OUR COUNCIL, MAYOR,
09:24:56 POLICE CHIEF AND POLICE OFFICERS CAN DO BETTER.
09:24:59 WE BELIEVE THAT MANY WANT TO DO IT.
09:25:04 WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE TRAINING THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO
09:25:08 IMPROVE AND MUST IDENTIFY THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO
09:25:11 IMPROVE AND REMOVE THEM FROM SERVICE.
09:25:12 I URGE YOU TO ADOPT THIS JUSTICE VERSION WHICH CALLS FOR
09:25:21 POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL TO HAVE LONGER AND MORE
09:25:23 THOROUGH TRAINING BY A MINORITY DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION
09:25:41 VENDOR HIRED FOR THE TRAINING.
09:25:42 THANK YOU.
09:25:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:25:46 ALL RIGHT.
09:25:46 WHO IS NEXT ON THE SPEAKER LIST, OR THE LAST SPEAKER?
09:25:52 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JASON MARLOW.
09:25:57 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:25:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
09:26:02 CAN YOU HEAR US?
09:26:03 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:26:07 I JUST WANT TO REITERATE MY TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FOR THE
09:26:10 OVERALL OF THE CRB.
09:26:13 AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, YOU ARE MEMBERS OF OUR GOVERNMENT
09:26:19 AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO OVERHAUL OUR CRB.
09:26:23 THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN HAVE A DIRECT INFLUENCE.
09:26:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
09:26:28 HAVE A WONDERFUL MEETING.
09:26:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:26:30 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:26:31 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JULIUS ADAMS.
09:26:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULIUS ADAMS, CAN YOU HEAR US?
09:26:43 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
09:26:46 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:26:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:26:49 >> YES, WE CAN.
09:26:50 GO AHEAD.
09:26:50 >> MY NAME IS JULIUS ADAMS.
09:26:55 I'M A LOCAL ATTORNEY HERE IN TAMPA.
09:26:57 I LIVE IN TAMPA.
09:27:03 I HAVE DONE SOME WORK WITH NAACP AND ACLU ALONG WITH
09:27:09 JAMES SHAW, AND JAMIE KLAPHOLZ FOR THE NEW PROPOSAL OF
09:27:17 THE CRB.
09:27:19 MY COMMENTS ARE THIS.
09:27:22 THE PUBLIC OR PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC ARE JUST FED UP WITH
09:27:26 THIS GAP AND THIS LACK OF TRUST THAT WE HAVE WITH THE
09:27:30 POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S COME TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO
09:27:38 PUT FORWARD ITS VOICE.
09:27:39 AND I THINK AN ENHANCED CRB WITH SOME INVESTIGATORY
09:27:47 POWERS WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT START TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE
09:27:50 GAP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE PUBLIC.
09:27:55 WE HAVE TO FACE A HARD TRUTH THAT THE POLICE HAVE LOST
09:28:00 TRUST OF GREATER PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC, AND THAT IN
09:28:05 ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE TO REBUILD THAT TRUST.
09:28:10 IT SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAYOR, TO ANY ELECTED
09:28:14 OFFICIALS IN THIS CITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT PORTIONS OF
09:28:18 THE PUBLIC JUST SIMPLY DO NOT TRUST THE POLICE.
09:28:24 AND IN FACT IT SHOULD BE SEEN AS AN EMBARRASSMENT WHEN
09:28:29 YOU HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
09:28:30 AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, AND WE MUST TAKE STEPS TO
09:28:33 TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
09:28:37 NOW, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE
09:28:39 CONSIDERING WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE CRB.
09:28:43 WHAT ABOUT POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS?
09:28:45 THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS IS A STATUTE THAT IN ALL
09:28:51 HONESTY IT COMPLETELY ISOLATES LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
09:28:55 FROM BEING REVIEWED BY THE PUBLIC IN ANY WAY.
09:29:00 AND THAT HAS TO CHANGE.
09:29:03 AND AT THIS TIME, THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN TAKE A STEP
09:29:08 FORWARD AND ACT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE
09:29:11 COUNTRY IN ORDER TO BRIDGE THIS GAP BETWEEN THE TWO
09:29:16 PARTIES.
09:29:16 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN USED BY NAACP AND
09:29:21 ACLU HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR LEGAL EFFICIENCY BY ATTORNEYS
09:29:27 FROM BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.
09:29:28 AND I WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT JAMES SAID, THAT THE
09:29:32 PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES NOT VIOLATE THE POLICE BILL OF
09:29:35 RIGHTS IN ANY WAY, DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY CRIMINAL LAW OR
09:29:39 CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
09:29:40 SO AS SUCH, I WOULD ASK THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT DOESN'T
09:29:47 VIOLATE ANY OF THESE THINGS, PARTICULARLY THE QUESTION OF
09:29:52 THE BILL OF RIGHTS -- I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LIFT THAT FOR
09:30:00 TRANSPARENCY AND POSITION OF TRUST.
09:30:03 THANK YOU.
09:30:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:30:05 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:30:06 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MARCUS KLEBE.
09:30:10 >> YES.
09:30:13 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:30:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:30:14 GO AHEAD.
09:30:15 >> MY NAME IS MARCUS KLEBE.
09:30:18 I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE --
09:30:22 WORKING WITH THE CAUCUS TAMPA BAY.
09:30:33 AS SOMEBODY WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CITY OF
09:30:36 TAMPA AND DIFFERENT ISSUES PRESENTED AND SPECIFICALLY
09:30:40 TODAY.
09:30:43 AND I'M SPEAKING TO SUPPORT WHAT SPEAKER SHAW SAID.
09:30:50 AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUE OF WHY.
09:30:56 AND WE WILL BE DRAGGING INJUSTICE INTO THE LIGHT.
09:31:04 WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT THE --
09:31:38 IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE THE PEOPLE THE
09:31:40 VOICE.
09:31:48 AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING, WHAT IS YOUR
09:31:55 DESIRED OUTCOME?
09:31:56 AND I WOULD SAY THE DESIRED OUTCOME IS TO BUILD AROUND
09:32:03 THE DESIRED OUTCOME WHICH IS TRANSPARENCY, TO BRING
09:32:06 INJUSTICE INTO LIGHT.
09:32:08 IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU HOLD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:32:11 ACCOUNTABLE, THAT YOU CREATE AN INDEPENDENT --
09:32:19 AND THE MAYOR SOMETIMES STILL TO THE POLICE.
09:32:27 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO STEP UP
09:32:30 AND TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
09:32:32 AND THAT IS WHY I AM URGING ALL OF YOU TO ALLOW IN THIS
09:32:37 PROPOSED ORDINANCE, TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A WAY AROUND
09:32:44 OBVIOUS OBSTRUCTION, DOCUMENTS THAT ARE LOST, STATEMENTS
09:32:49 THAT ARE NOT GIVEN.
09:32:51 YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE POWER AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA,
09:32:54 HILLSBOROUGH ARE LOOKING AT YOU, AND YOU HAVE AN
09:32:56 OPPORTUNITY TO BE LEADERS.
09:32:58 AND I AM CERTAIN THAT YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND
09:33:04 HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
09:33:06 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:33:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:33:08 WHO IS NEXT?
09:33:10 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS SAMUEL ROTKER.
09:33:14 >> HELLO.
09:33:15 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:33:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, YOU CAN.
09:33:17 >> MY NAME IS SAMUEL ROTKER, A TEACHER HERE IN TAMPA.
09:33:29 WE TALK ABOUT PERSONAL CONFLICT INTEREST.
09:33:37 THE MAYOR APPOINTS BOTH CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE
09:33:42 ORGANIZATION, REVIEW OF POLICE CONDUCT.
09:33:47 THIS IS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
09:33:49 YOU DON'T GET TO PICK BOTH.
09:33:50 THAT IS NOT JUST.
09:33:53 THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT WHO REPRESENTS THE
09:33:56 CITIZENS IN TAMPA, THAT IS THE CITY COUNCIL.
09:33:59 THE DECISIONS OF CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, IT SHOULD BE IS
09:34:04 CITY COUNCIL THAT APPOINTS THE MAJORITY.
09:34:07 THAT WILL BE JUST.
09:34:11 IT WOULD BE JUST THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE THE ABILITY
09:34:14 TO SIT IN ON THE HIRING PROCESS OF TPD TO ACTUALLY CHOOSE
09:34:19 WHO GETS TO POLICE IN THAT COMMUNITY.
09:34:21 AND WHY WOULD THEY CARE?
09:34:27 THEY DON'T CARE.
09:34:28 BUT ABOVE ALL, HOW IS ANY ORGANIZATION EXPECTED -- WE
09:34:40 HEAR IT ALL THE TIME IN TPD.
09:34:42 IT'S NOTHING AGAINST TPD.
09:34:43 IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE.
09:34:46 THEREFORE, IT IS UNJUST FOR TAMPA PD TO HAVE FULL POWER
09:34:51 TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT.
09:34:53 CITIZENS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS
09:34:55 DIRECTLY TO THE CRB, AND HAVE INVESTIGATIVE POWER
09:35:00 INCLUDING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND THE RIGHT TO SUBPOENA.
09:35:05 THANK YOU.
09:35:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:35:06 WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?
09:35:08 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS YVETTE LEWIS.
09:35:16 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME WELL?
09:35:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:35:19 GO AHEAD.
09:35:19 >> THANK YOU.
09:35:20 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OFF WITH THIS PROCESS OF
09:35:22 TRYING TO GET INTO THIS MEETING IS AWFUL.
09:35:33 BUT, ANYWAY, LET'S GO ON.
09:35:33 MY CONCERN IS, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH
09:35:33 COUNTY BRANCH, BUT THE CRB SHOULD HAVE POWER TO
09:35:37 INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS, OKAY.
09:35:39 AND THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS A COMPLAINT SHOULD GO STRAIGHT
09:35:45 TO THE CRB.
09:35:46 THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE
09:35:50 CRB TO FILE THEIR COMPLAINTS, AND THE COMPLAINTS BEING
09:35:53 HEARD.
09:35:54 NOW, ANOTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE.
09:35:57 THE MAYOR MUST RELINQUISH CONTROL OF THE CRB, AND IN
09:36:02 ORDER TO GAIN TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:36:07 THE MAJORITY OF OUR APPOINTMENTS SHOULD COME FROM CITY
09:36:10 COUNCIL.
09:36:11 AND WE ARE GOING TO -- SO THE MAJORITY SHOULD COME FROM
09:36:16 CITY COUNCIL.
09:36:17 AND THE CRB, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, PLEASE KEEP THIS IN
09:36:23 MIND, THE CRB WAS DESIGNED FOR FAILURE FROM THE PAST
09:36:26 ADMINISTRATIONS, AND IT DID.
09:36:29 AND IT ALSO HURT THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT I THINK THE
09:36:33 COMMUNITY HURTS THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY, HURTS THE CITY OF
09:36:37 TAMPA, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER TRUST THE PROCESS.
09:36:41 IN ORDER TO INSTILL THE TRUST IN THE PROCESS, THE NAACP
09:36:47 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS PLEASE ASKING THAT CITY COUNCIL
09:36:53 HELPS INSTALL THE TRUST AND THE TRANSPARENCY IN THIS
09:36:57 COMMUNITY SO WE CAN LIVE OUR LIVES, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO
09:37:03 FEAR OUR LIVES FOR SOMEONE COMING AFTER US.
09:37:06 THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT Y'ALL TAKE THIS CRY OUT
09:37:12 SERIOUS, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR
09:37:18 MISTRUST.
09:37:19 ONCE AGAIN I AM ASKING THAT ALL OF Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT
09:37:22 THING.
09:37:22 DO THE RIGHT THING.
09:37:25 HELP US BELIEVE IN YOU-ALL.
09:37:30 THANK YOU.
09:37:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:37:33 ALL RIGHT.
09:37:33 WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?
09:37:35 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ANGEL D'ANGELO.
09:37:38 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:37:39 HOW ARE YOU?
09:37:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
09:37:44 >> MY NAME IS ANGEL D'ANGELO IN TAMPA.
09:37:49 I AM ALL FOR GETTING THE CRB THE MAXIMUM POWER ALLOWED BY
09:37:54 LAW BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE GREATER COMMISSION HERE, TO
09:37:59 HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT THRIVES.
09:38:01 THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR,
09:38:05 AND COMMUNITY ACCESS.
09:38:09 I NEED TO TALK ABOUT ALLOCATING FUND AND SERVICES THAT
09:38:12 MATTER.
09:38:13 WE CAN DO THAT ALONG WITH THE CRB.
09:38:17 OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CITY-WIDE ANTI-BIAS,
09:38:23 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, AND POLICE TRAINING.
09:38:25 THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR FOUR HOURS FOR
09:38:30 REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW FOUR
09:38:34 HOURS ARE GOING TO TEACH WITH RACE RELATIONS AND YOUR
09:38:37 IDENTITY, FAMILIAL STATUS, IMMIGRATION STATUS, NATIONAL
09:38:41 ORIGIN, ET CETERA, AND ONLY ELEVEN HOURS FOR POLICE, THE
09:38:46 FIRE DEPARTMENT.
09:38:46 ALL FIRST RESPONDERS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR FURTHER
09:38:49 TRAINING, AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH.
09:38:56 AT LEAST 40 HOURS, AND SHOULD BE AGREED BY AN OUTSIDE
09:39:01 BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS, TRANSGENDER PUT IN THERE.
09:39:10 AND THE PROCESSES OF THE CRB, WE CANNOT HAVE INTERNAL
09:39:16 TRAINING.
09:39:22 (AUDIO DISTORTION)
09:39:25 MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A TRUE ACCOUNTABLE TRAINING
09:39:28 PROGRAM THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
09:39:32 THEY WILL MOSTLY BE DONE ONLINE.
09:39:38 IT NEEDS TO BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.
09:39:42 YOU SHOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN YOU LEAVE.
09:39:45 AND WE ALL HAVE BIASES IN THAT AREA.
09:39:48 IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE ACKNOWLEDGING IT.
09:39:50 AND IT'S TIME TO DO SO.
09:39:51 SO, YES, INCREASE THE POWER OF THE CRB AND FOCUS ON
09:39:58 COMING UP IN THE BUDGET AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON
09:40:05 THE CRB INVESTIGATING THE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE
09:40:11 THEM FOR?
09:40:12 SO LET'S GET EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, EVERYBODY FROM HR,
09:40:16 FINANCE, AT LEAST 40 HOURS, AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR
09:40:29 PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE CAN GO TO OUR JOBS.
09:40:33 THANK YOU.
09:40:33 >> CONNIE BURTON.
09:40:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONNIE BURTON, IF YOU ARE ON, IF YOU
09:40:47 COULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
09:40:50 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:40:52 GOOD MORNING.
09:40:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
09:40:53 >> YES, SIR.
09:40:56 I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, NUMBER ONE, I AM IN FULL
09:41:00 SUPPORT OF ALL OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
09:41:05 NEVER WOULD I HAVE IMAGINED THAT WE WOULD BE AT THIS
09:41:10 POINT OF BUILDING A STRONG COALITION THAT WOULD BE ABLE
09:41:15 TO ARTICULATE AND HAVE UNITY WITH THE OUTCRY OF
09:41:21 COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER OCCUPATION
09:41:24 FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
09:41:27 AS A FORMER RESIDENT OF PUBLIC HOUSING, I CAN TELL YOU
09:41:32 NOT ONLY WERE PEOPLE UNJUSTLY ARRESTED FOR STANDING WHILE
09:41:38 BEING BLACK, WALKING BLACK, RIDING BLACK, BUT SITTING
09:41:47 BLACK, SITTING ON A MILK CRATE AND BEING CHARGED WITH
09:41:51 BURGLARY, AND HAVE AN OFFICER MAKE REPORTS SO THAT PEOPLE
09:41:59 WOULD END UP WITH FELONY CONVICTIONS.
09:42:02 IT'S BEEN TEN WEEKS SINCE THE MURDER OF BROTHER GEORGE
09:42:08 FLOYD.
09:42:08 AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IS -- YOU KNOW WHAT?
09:42:32 WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AN
09:42:40 OFFICER INVOLVED WITH THE MURDER OF NOT ONLY GEORGE FLOYD
09:42:44 BUT WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING THROUGHOUT THIS NATION.
09:42:46 AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS THIS MOVEMENT THAT RECEIVES
09:42:54 THE FULL SUPPORT OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, AND IF YOU
09:43:01 ARE WITH THE --
09:43:06 IT WAS PAINFUL LISTENING TO THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING
09:43:11 LAST WEEK, AND LET'S REALLOCATE FUNDS SO WE CAN DO THE
09:43:18 RIGHT THING.
09:43:19 IT WAS PAINFUL.
09:43:20 HOPEFULLY, THIS VOTE, THESE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE
09:43:24 CITIZENS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THIS MORNING WILL NOT
09:43:31 INTENSIFY THAT PAIN AND YOU, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL
09:43:34 DEMOCRATS, ALL MALE, WOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO MOVE IN
09:43:39 THE DIRECTION OF OUR REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT
09:43:48 BOARD.
09:43:51 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
09:43:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:43:53 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:43:54 >>THE CLERK: YES, SIR.
09:43:55 THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.
09:44:00 >> HELLO.
09:44:05 I GAVE MY COMMENTS, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME A
09:44:12 DO-OVER.
09:44:13 SOME OF YOU KNOW I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PUSH TO CREATE
09:44:16 THIS FOR YBOR BACK IN 2016.
09:44:19 THAT BOARD WAS PRECIPITATED BY A DOJ INVESTIGATION INTO
09:44:24 THE REPORTING THAT FOUND THAT TAMPA POLICE HAD A PATTERN
09:44:29 OF TARGETING BLACK.
09:44:32 OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE DAYS, THE TPD WROTE OVER
09:44:35 2500 TICKETS OF WHICH 80% WENT TO BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS
09:44:41 CITY, THE BLACK POPULATION IN TAMPA IS ONLY 22%.
09:44:45 SO KNEW THE LAWS WOULD NOT, AND THIS TRAINING CONTINUES
09:45:00 TO STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE
09:45:02 COMMUNITY.
09:45:04 THE PUSH FOR THIS REVIEW BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND
09:45:07 REMAINS ESSENTIAL.
09:45:21 THE COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
09:45:23 I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED BY THE ACLU
09:45:26 AND NAACP.
09:45:45 THE BOARD WAS CREATED TO NEVER WORK, AND IT WAS DESIGNED
09:45:49 TO FAIL.
09:45:49 COUNCILMAN GUDES RIGHTLY PUT OUT THAT MOTION TO
09:45:53 RESTRUCTURE THE BOARD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO DO
09:45:56 IT NOW.
09:45:57 WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
09:46:00 I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT IN THE STREETS.
09:46:03 YOU LOOKED INTO THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
09:46:05 PROTESTING, ANGER, THE FRUSTRATION, THE PAIN THAT PEOPLE
09:46:08 ARE FEELING.
09:46:09 WE STILL HAVE ISSUES.
09:46:11 AND I KNOW SOME LIKE TO SWEEP THEM UNDER THE RUG, SAYING
09:46:17 WELL THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
09:46:18 IT IS A BIG DEAL.
09:46:22 IT IS A BIG DEAL IN THIS COMMUNITY.
09:46:27 MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR DIED IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY TO
09:46:30 WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD.
09:46:31 WE HAVE NOT SEEN JUSTICE IN THAT CASE.
09:46:35 WE HAVE NOT SEEN A FULL INVESTIGATION.
09:46:37 THAT IS WHY THE INDEPENDENT FOR THE REVIEW BOARD IS
09:46:45 CRUCIAL.
09:46:47 WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO HAS BEEN ON THE FORCE, AND PREVIOUS
09:46:53 CALLERS, THERE IS NO CREDIBILITY IF SHE ALSO APPOINT IT
09:46:59 IS MAJORITY OF MEMBERS TO THIS BOARD.
09:47:01 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
09:47:02 THERE WOULD NEVER BE JUSTICE IF THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE
09:47:05 CASE.
09:47:05 THERE ARE MANY, MANY CASES.
09:47:08 WILCOX, NEAL, MANY OTHER PEOPLE.
09:47:13 WE HAVE ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND
09:47:15 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM AND FIX THE
09:47:18 PROBLEMS, AND NOT WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO TWEAK THIS
09:47:21 BOARD AGAIN. THIS HAS TO BE DONE NOW FOR THE FUTURE OF
09:47:23 OUR COMMUNITY TO BEGIN TO HEAL THE RIFT WE HAVE BETWEEN
09:47:30 OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PROBLEMS IN POLICING.
09:47:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:47:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
09:47:40 NEXT SPEAKER.
09:47:40 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THAT DID NOT
09:47:47 LOG ONTO THE WEBINAR.
09:47:49 THAT IS SHABAN SHUKLA AND BRADLEY PARUK.
09:47:55 NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO RECORDED PUBLIC COMMENTS.
09:48:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?
09:48:02 >> WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FIVE.
09:48:04 THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS ALEXIA ROBERTS.
09:48:10 (PLAYING RECORDING)
09:48:13 >> I AM CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA.
09:48:22 E-2020-8-CH-18 PROVIDING CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD CHANGES BY
09:48:29 MAYOR JANE CASTOR.
09:48:31 I'M CALLING BECAUSE FIRST AND FOREMOST THE AGENDA FOR
09:48:34 THIS MEETING WAS NOT -- BY THE CITY.
09:48:40 THERE'S A LITTLE DISTRUST IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATION.
09:48:46 SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS
09:48:48 THAT MAYOR JANE CASTOR'S YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE TAMPA
09:48:52 POLICE DEPARTMENT -- IN THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
09:49:10 POLICE FORCES AND TEAR GAS.
09:49:24 THANK YOU.
09:49:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:49:26 NEXT.
09:49:26 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS DUSTRA HAYNES.
09:49:35 >> I LIVE IN ORLANDO.
09:49:39 I AM CALLING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, CULTURAL COMPETENCY
09:49:48 AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION TRAINING TO CHARTERED CITY
09:49:52 EMPLOYEES.
09:49:59 THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRAINING AND CULTURE COMPETENCY.
09:50:10 ALL CITY EMPLOYEES THAT INTERACT WITH, INCLUDING
09:50:16 EMERGENCY AND ESPECIALLY POLICE FORCE.
09:50:22 TRAINING OF EMPLOYEES TO COVER ALL THESE AREAS MENTIONED.
09:50:45 (NOISE)
09:50:47 I ASK THAT THE TRAINING BE AT LEAST 40 HOURS OF TRAINING
09:50:52 EVERY TWO YEARS, PROVIDED BY AN OUTSIDE VENDOR IN
09:51:01 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION TRAINING, AND INCLUDE A PROGRAM THAT
09:51:04 CAN BE REVIEWED TO JUSTIFY THE PUBLIC AND IN-PERSON, FACE
09:51:14 TO FACE TRAINING.
09:51:18 IT SHOULD BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WISHES OF THE
09:51:21 VOTERS.
09:51:22 THANK YOU.
09:51:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:24 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JOSEPH
09:51:26 MCCLENNAN.
09:51:30 >> I SUPPORT THE AUTHORIZATIONS OF THE CRB TO REVIEW THE
09:51:40 POLICIES, THE PROCESSES OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:52:04 REGARDING ANY PUBLIC SERVICE, ANY DETAILS THAT MAY BE
09:52:07 AVAILABLE.
09:52:10 THANK YOU.
09:52:10 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS SOPHIA SOBRITO.
09:52:17 >> MY NAME IS SOPHIA SOBRITO, 1503 EAST MULBERRY DRIVE,
09:52:24 TAMPA, FLORIDA 33604.
09:52:27 I AM CALLING FOR THE CRB TO BE INVOLVED IN THE HIRING
09:52:32 PROCESS OF TPD.
09:52:35 I BELIEVE THE CRB IS AN INEFFECTIVE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW
09:52:41 CHANGES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:52:42 I BELIEVE THE CRB MEMBERS, THE SUBPOENA INVESTIGATION IN
09:52:58 INVESTIGATIONS.
09:52:58 THANK YOU.
09:52:58 >>THE CLERK: NEXT WE HAVE TOPHER MORRISON.
09:53:04 >> MY NAME IS TOPHER MORRISON, A RESIDENT OF DAVIS
09:53:09 ISLAND, AND I OWN A BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.
09:53:11 I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE REALLOCATION
09:53:13 OF FUNDING FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BIAS DEESCALATION
09:53:18 TECHNIQUES AND DIVERSITY TRAINING, ESPECIALLY TRAINING BY
09:53:22 OUTSIDE FIRMS WHO CAN TRULY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE
09:53:26 MARGINALIZED.
09:53:27 ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL STATISTICS, ROUGHLY 95% OF ALL
09:53:31 POLICE CALLS ARE FOR NONVIOLENT INSTANCES.
09:53:40 IN ADDITION, OUR PUBLIC POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE TO
09:53:44 PROTECT AND THE PUBLIC.
09:53:52 THINK ABOUT IT.
09:53:53 WHY WOULDN'T A POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR CHIEF, AND THE
09:53:57 MAYOR BE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT INVESTING DIVERSITY TRAINING
09:54:02 IN DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, TO BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC.
09:54:06 WHY WOULDN'T THEY SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR BUDGET ON
09:54:11 DEESCALATION TRAINING INSTEAD OF COMBAT TRAINING?
09:54:16 THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, DETAILED PROTOCOLS.
09:54:20 IT IS VERY CLEAR NUMBER ONE, REQUEST.
09:54:24 NUMBER TWO.
09:54:26 COMPLY.
09:54:27 ALL THE POLICE BRING TATTLE VIDEOS WE HAVE SEEN --
09:54:32 TRAINING AFTER THE REQUESTS HAVE FAILED, AND ALSO SHOW
09:54:38 THE REQUESTS SEEM TO BE LACKING SOMETHING.
09:54:44 IT SHOULD BE REASONABLE IN THAT ENTIRE PROCESS TO ASK AND
09:54:47 EXPLAIN THINGS BEFORE THE REQUEST.
09:54:49 AFTER ALL, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN ASKING, WHY AM I
09:54:53 BEING ARRESTED?
09:54:54 AND THE OFFICER COMPLETELY IGNORES THAT.
09:54:57 THEY IGNORE THAT BECAUSE EXPLAIN IS NOT IN THEIR
09:55:00 TRAINING. THIS SEEMS LIKE AN OBVIOUS OMISSION FROM
09:55:03 TRAINING OF OFFICERS.
09:55:04 THESE REQUESTS ARE NOT FOR THE CITIZENS -- BUT IT IS
09:55:09 COMING FROM THE CITIZENS WHO BELIEVE THAT ALL POLICE CAN
09:55:12 AND SHOULD BE BETTER.
09:55:17 TRAINING THAT ALLOWS THEM TO, SO THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED
09:55:22 AND REMOVE THEM FROM THEIR SERVICE.
09:55:24 IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN MOVE CLOSER TO A POLICE FORCE THAT
09:55:27 NOT ONLY PROTECT OUR CITIZENS BUT SERVES THEM AS WELL.
09:55:31 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:55:32 >>THE CLERK: THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT
09:55:36 PORTION.
09:55:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:55:40 I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO DO, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:55:44 WORK.
09:55:46 PUBLIC COMMENT HAS NOW CONCLUDED.
09:55:50 WE DID HAVE AN E-MAIL FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR ITEM
09:55:54 NUMBER 4, IF WE COULD MOVE THAT UP.
09:55:58 WE HAVE A BRIEF POWER POINT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL
09:56:01 GO INTO ITEMS 1 AND 2.
09:56:03 BUT CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT, IF YOU ARE READY TO GO, YOU
09:56:06 HAVE THE FLOOR.
09:56:07 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:56:08 >>MARK BENTLEY: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL, AND
09:56:14 PUBLIC.
09:56:17 IF YOU BRING UP THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
09:56:35 STANDING BY FOR THE PRESENTATION.
09:56:39 >> IT IS UP.
09:56:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE
09:57:01 TO BEGIN.
09:57:04 >>MARK BENTLEY: THANK YOU.
09:57:04 I DOESN'T SEE IT ON THE PUBLIC SCREEN.
09:57:06 THAT'S WHY I AM PAUSING.
09:57:09 CAN WE CHECK WITH BROADCAST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC
09:57:12 IS SEEING THE PRESENTATION?
09:57:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE FACEBOOK BROADCAST, IT IS
09:57:23 SHOWING JUST YOUR FACE.
09:57:29 IT IS NOT SHOWING THE PRESENTATION.
09:57:35 >>MARK BENTLEY: THERE WE GO.
09:57:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:57:42 >>MARK BENTLEY: SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE,
09:57:48 PLEASE.
09:57:55 SO AS REQUESTED BY A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND
09:58:04 COUNCILMAN CARLSON BACK IN EARLY JUNE, THE REQUEST IS FOR
09:58:08 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO HOW
09:58:12 COMMUNICATION BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO CITY COUNCIL BE
09:58:16 IMPROVED, BY WHAT MEANS IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, AND
09:58:19 FURTHER THAT A REPORT BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR CONSENT
09:58:24 AGENDA.
09:58:24 I SORT OF ADOPTED THIS MOTION TO KIND OF GIVE COUNCIL AND
09:58:29 THE PUBLIC A BRIEFING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE
09:58:32 BEEN TRYING TO DO ALL THROUGH THE COVID CRISIS, NOT
09:58:38 SPECIFICALLY TO COVID BUT CHALLENGED BY COVID, SINCE THE
09:58:42 ADMINISTRATION BEGAN.
09:58:44 AND AS WE KNOW, COMMUNICATION FIXES A LOT OF PROBLEMS,
09:58:47 BUT IT SOUNDS SIMPLE AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.
09:58:52 THIS IS A PROCESS OF SUPPORTING TECHNOLOGY, SO WHAT I WANT
09:58:57 TO DO IS WALK THROUGH A FEW SLIDES REAL BRIEFLY AND THEN I
09:59:00 WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
09:59:02 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
09:59:09 SO JUST FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW
09:59:13 COUNCIL IS AWARE, BUT FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, THE CITY'S
09:59:17 ORGANIZATIONAL CHART SPEAKS TO EIGHT DIFFERENT
09:59:20 ADMINISTRATORS.
09:59:21 THERE'S TWO IN PUBLIC SAFETY, AS YOU KNOW.
09:59:23 THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF.
09:59:25 WE HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
09:59:28 WE HAVE THE CFOs, ADMINISTRATOR.
09:59:31 AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR GENERAL ADMINISTRATORS, ONE OVER AT
09:59:37 CHIEF OF STAFF, INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY, ECONOMIC AND
09:59:40 DEVELOPMENT, NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:59:42 AND THOSE BASICALLY CREATE EIGHT LANES OF TRAFFIC OF
09:59:47 INFORMATION THAT COME TO US THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS.
09:59:49 AND THOSE THREE DIFFERENT CHANNELS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE
09:59:53 MAYOR'S MARKETING COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT,
09:59:59 TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:00:01 AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SUPPORTING EMPLOYEES TO THOSE
10:00:05 DIVIDENDS THAT RELATE TO INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS, AND
10:00:10 THOSE WHAT I CALL DIFFERENT CHANNELS.
10:00:12 I WILL SAY THAT THE MAYOR HAS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT
10:00:15 ADDING TWO OTHER CHANNELS, ONE SPECIFICALLY TO
10:00:17 INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE
10:00:19 KNOW, AND THAT ALSO ONE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC
10:00:24 SERVICES UNDER MS. POST, AGAIN STILL COMING THROUGH
10:00:28 MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE
10:00:31 COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION DENSITY IN THOSE AREAS, WE
10:00:36 HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN ADDING POSITIONS FOCUSED ON
10:00:39 COMMUNICATION ON THOSE FUNCTIONS.
10:00:42 NEXT SLIDE.
10:00:50 SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WORKED WITH MS. ASHLEY
10:00:53 BAUMAN'S DEPARTMENT ON WAS TRYING TO STRUCTURE THIS IN
10:00:57 ANY MORE FORMAL PROCESS THROUGH SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS.
10:01:00 AND MS. BAUMAN ISSUED TWO AGREEMENTS, ONE FOR CITY
10:01:05 COUNCIL AND ONE FOR BASICALLY THE GENERAL DEPARTMENTS ON
10:01:08 HOW THEIR DEPARTMENT CAN BEST SERVE, AND WITH THE CURRENT
10:01:12 BAND WIDTH THAT THEY HAVE.
10:01:16 SO THOSE ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS.
10:01:18 WE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON
10:01:23 HOW WE CAN IMPROVE BOTH PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE
10:01:26 COMMUNICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BUT
10:01:29 CITY COUNCIL AND ALL OF OUR TRUST PARTNERS AND
10:01:32 STAKEHOLDERS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED THAT IS QUICKLY AND
10:01:36 EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
10:01:37 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
10:01:47 SO THIS WHICH IS IN COUNCIL'S PRESENTATION FOR TAKEAWAY
10:01:51 KIND OF GIVES SOME DEPARTMENTAL LINE UP OF TRUE SUPPORTS,
10:01:55 WHICH DEPARTMENTS, AND IF WE NEED TO REACH OUT IN A
10:02:01 MOMENT OF DYNAMIC INFORMATION, THESE ARE SOME OF THE
10:02:04 CONTACTS THAT YOU CAN REACH OUT TO.
10:02:06 BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT SPECIFICALLY WHATEVER TYPE OF
10:02:09 INCIDENT THAT WE ARE WORKING OR WHAT KIND OF
10:02:12 COMMUNICATION IS NECESSARY THAT WE KIND OF DEFAULT BACK
10:02:15 TO THOSE EIGHT ADMINISTRATORS, AND IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING
10:02:19 WHAT YOU NEED IN THE TIME THAT YOU NEED IT, YOU CAN
10:02:21 ALWAYS GET AHOLD OF ME 24 HOURS, 7 DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS
10:02:26 A YEAR.
10:02:27 NEXT SLIDE.
10:02:36 AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT MS. BAUMAN CREATED TO MAKE
10:02:41 SURE THAT CERTAINLY REQUESTS FOR PROACTIVE MANNER CAN BE
10:02:47 ACCOMPLISHED.
10:02:47 YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES IN TRAINING OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE
10:02:51 ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU JUST LIKE WE ARE THROUGH HER
10:02:54 DEPARTMENT, TO SUPPORT ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN
10:02:58 THE CITY.
10:02:59 SO AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE PROACTIVE PROCESS TO SET UP
10:03:04 AND DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER COMMUNICATION FOR THE
10:03:08 CONSTITUENTS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE PUBLIC, AND WHATEVER
10:03:12 YOUR NEEDS WOULD BE.
10:03:13 NEXT SLIDE.
10:03:28 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TOOK IN FOR CITY COUNCIL WHEN I
10:03:31 FIRST GOT HERE IS CALENDAR AWARENESS.
10:03:33 WE HAVE PARKS AND REC ACTIVITIES, SPECIAL EVENTS, TOWN
10:03:38 HALL MEETINGS, ET CETERA.
10:03:39 SO HAVING A DYNAMIC CALENDAR, THAT COULD BE BOTH
10:03:45 PUBLICATION AND INTERNAL PHASING WAS IMPORTANT.
10:03:48 SO BETWEEN MS. BAUMAN'S OFFICE AND RUSSELL HAUPERT'S
10:03:52 OFFICE AT T&I WORKING ON REFINING THESE CALENDARS SO YOU
10:03:57 AND YOUR STAFF CAN HAVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OF WHAT'S
10:04:00 GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, AND OF COURSE HOPEFULLY BEYOND
10:04:03 THE COVID CONDITIONS THAT WILL ALLOW BETTER OPPORTUNITIES
10:04:06 FOR BEING ON CAMPUS ON OR LOCATION FOR SOME OF THESE
10:04:10 EVENTS.
10:04:12 AGAIN, IF YOU NEED ANY INFORMATION ON HOW TO USE THAT OR
10:04:15 HOW TO ACCESS IT, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.
10:04:19 NEXT SLIDE.
10:04:26 I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE, BASED ON THE REVIEW THAT I
10:04:31 HAVE, WE HAVE SET YOU UP IN WHAT'S CALLED THE EVERBRIDGE
10:04:36 SYSTEM AND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE TEXT MESSAGING TO
10:04:40 CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING MR. SHELBY, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO
10:04:44 DO IS IMPROVE THAT SPONTANEOUS NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO ALL
10:04:49 OF YOU AT ONCE.
10:04:52 THERE'S NOT APPLY SITUATION SO WE ARE PROTECTING THE
10:04:55 SUNSHINE PROCESS.
10:04:57 THIS IS A ONE-WAY PUSH TO GIVE YOU SITUATIONAL AWARENESS
10:05:00 IN THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT COULD BE EITHER IN YOUR
10:05:03 DISTRICT OR CITY-WIDE ISSUES.
10:05:06 AND I HAD SENT A MYRIAD OF TEXTS OVER THE LAST MONTH, IN
10:05:11 A DATA FORMAT, AND OF COURSE FEEDBACK AND HOW THAT'S
10:05:15 WORKING FOR YOU.
10:05:16 IN ADDITION, WE HAVE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE I
10:05:19 MENTIONED EARLIER, A PROCESS OF HUMAN AND TECHNOLOGY
10:05:24 COMBINED.
10:05:25 WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE AUTOMATION EFFORTS TO
10:05:27 ALLOW YOU TO GET INFORMATION IN AS REALTIME AS POSSIBLE.
10:05:31 OF COURSE ALL THE INFORMATION ROLLS OUT FROM HUMAN
10:05:34 INTERACTION SO THAT PROCESS AND COACHING IS STILL A WORK
10:05:37 IN PROCESS AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REFINE ON
10:05:40 THAT.
10:05:41 ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE, AS YOU FORWARD TO THE NEXT
10:05:45 SLIDE, IF YOU COULD, THE ONE POINT BEFORE I OPEN IT FOR
10:05:50 QUESTIONS BUT FOLLOW UP IN ADDITIONAL EFFORTS AS THEY ARE
10:05:54 SUGGESTED IS THAT WE KNOW MEDIA AND INFORMATION MOVES
10:05:57 FAST.
10:05:58 AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU
10:06:02 ACCURATE INFORMATION BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO
10:06:04 IS -- AND YOU MAY SEE SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT
10:06:08 TAKES TIME TO MAKE SURE FROM THE CHAIN OF COMMAND DOWN TO
10:06:11 THE FIELD THAT IT'S EXACTLY AS ACCURATE AS IT IS IN THE
10:06:15 PUBLIC SECTION MEDIA REALM.
10:06:19 SO THAT TAKES A FEW MINUTES, HE OBVIOUSLY A FEW HOURS, TO
10:06:22 WORK THROUGH.
10:06:22 BUT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFORMATION IS NOT THERE
10:06:24 OR IT'S NOT THERE AT ALL, AND THAT'S A PART THAT WE ARE
10:06:28 WORKING ON.
10:06:29 BUT TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT BETWEEN ACCURACY AND
10:06:32 SPEED IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.
10:06:34 BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY TEAMS, AND I HAVE
10:06:37 SPOKEN TO MS. BAUMAN, AND OF COURSE OUR ADMINISTRATORS,
10:06:41 AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO WORK TO DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE
10:06:43 SURE THAT THEY BUBBLE UP THOSE PRIORITY INCIDENTS OR
10:06:48 PRIORITY SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN.
10:06:50 EVEN IF THEY ARE OVERNIGHT TO GIVE YOU SOME KIND OF
10:06:53 AWARENESS FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
10:06:54 I DO -- SCAN SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THAT COMES THROUGH,
10:06:59 ESPECIALLY IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SPACE.
10:07:01 CHIEF LOCICERO HAS SHARED WITH ME THAT HE WILL TRY TO
10:07:05 MAKE SURE THAT HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM GETS THE INFORMATION
10:07:08 FROM THEIR SPACE.
10:07:10 CHIEF DUGAN HAS ARRANGED FOR ME TO SEE A LOT OF THE
10:07:13 INFORMATION AS PUT OUT IN THE SYSTEM.
10:07:15 SO I CAN WORK AGAIN TO TRY TO SCRAPE THAT.
10:07:24 WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT AS A TEAM.
10:07:27 AS WE ARE TRYING TO GET YOU INFORMATION IN REALTIME AS
10:07:30 POSSIBLE, AND I DON'T CONTROL THE CONTENT, I JUST TRY TO
10:07:33 SHARE THE CONTENT.
10:07:34 I WOULD ASK YOU IF THAT'S BASED ON THE ADMINISTRATORS
10:07:38 THAT I SPOKE TO IF YOU WANT TO GET INFORMATION ON THEM
10:07:41 FOR CLARITY OR CONFIRMATION THAT WE BUILD OUR
10:07:43 RELATIONSHIPS TOGETHER, AND YOU DO REACH OUT TO THOSE
10:07:46 RESPECTIVE ADMINISTRATORS AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHIEFS, AND
10:07:49 GET CLARIFICATION, AND WE'LL TRY TO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS
10:07:53 AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
10:07:54 WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND
10:07:56 FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN SUPPORT YOU FURTHER IN OUR JOURNEY
10:08:00 TOGETHER.
10:08:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:08:02 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:08:13 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
10:08:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT AT THIS TIME.
10:08:16 >> CHIEF, YOU DO A VERY GOOD JOB.
10:08:29 NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:08:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
10:08:34 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, CHIEF.
10:08:35 JUST QUICKLY.
10:08:36 YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSION DEALING WITH THE COMMUNICATION
10:08:40 DEPARTMENT WAS SET UP TO PROMOTE THE MAYOR, AND THERE WAS
10:08:44 VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS OR CITY COUNCIL
10:08:47 OR ANYONE ELSE.
10:08:48 SO MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HEARD HAVE BEEN ABOUT
10:08:52 RESIDENTS NOT HEARING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT WHEN
10:08:59 INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE GOING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD,
10:09:02 WHEN THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE TORN UP.
10:09:04 AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT COMMUNICATION EFFORT.
10:09:07 AND THEN WHEN THE POLICE ARE AWARE OF PROTEST MARCHES
10:09:12 GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD, FOLKS WANT TO BE AWARE OF
10:09:14 THAT AND THEY WANT INFORMATION ON WHAT TO DO.
10:09:18 I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG CHANGE IN THE LAST YEAR, AND
10:09:23 I THINK THE MORE WE CAN DO TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT
10:09:31 THINGS THE MORE COMFORTABLE THE RESIDENTS WILL FEEL.
10:09:33 THANK YOU.
10:09:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:09:41 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:09:43 >> FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
10:09:46 IT'S VERY HELPFUL AS WE GO ALONG IN OUR JOURNEY.
10:09:49 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING THAT I ASKED MR.
10:09:51 HAUPERT TO WORK WITH CONTRACT ADMIN ON THOSE BASIC NEEDS
10:09:56 IS TO AGAIN THE MORE AUTOMATION, AND MS. BAUMAN IS
10:10:02 PROMOTING THIS, THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN HAVE.
10:10:06 SO THE MAYOR HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT BASICALLY A GIS
10:10:11 PACKET TOGETHER OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND
10:10:14 THEIR TIMELINES, BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN WE SEE SOMETHING
10:10:18 STARTING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:10:19 OUR ROADWAY AND THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF NOT IN THE
10:10:26 PROJECT MEETINGS, THEY DON'T KNOW THE TIME LANE.
10:10:28 BUT WITH A SIMPLE CLICK OF THE MOUSE AND HOVERING OVER
10:10:32 THAT PERSPECTIVE DOT, WE CAN SEE THE TIMELINE AND OTHER
10:10:37 RESOURCES AND ACTUALLY SHARED WITH A LOT OF YOU OFFLINE
10:10:40 WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVING A WORKING MODEL TO SEE THE DATA
10:10:43 AND (BELL RINGS) AND AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY OR ON AN
10:10:50 APP.
10:10:50 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
10:10:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:10:52 CHIEF BENNETT.
10:10:54 NEXT UP, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:10:56 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF?
10:10:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:Y NO, SIR.
10:11:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:11:02 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, I KNOW THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.
10:11:05 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
10:11:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP
10:11:09 THIS MORNING AND ALSO CHIEF BENNETT.
10:11:12 I KNOW WE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT COMMUNICATION, AND
10:11:16 GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO COUNCIL, GETTING IT TO THE
10:11:20 PUBLIC.
10:11:20 I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IN TALKING TO YOU YESTERDAY IS
10:11:24 MAKING SURE WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN IN
10:11:29 A COUNCILMAN'S DISTRICT OR IN GENERAL, I KNOW MY DISTRICT
10:11:34 IS VERY BUSY.
10:11:36 I SERVE EVERY ETHNICITY, EVERY GROUP, AND RICH, POOR, AND
10:11:41 MIDDLE CLASS.
10:11:41 WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN I GET PHONE CALLS, AND ONE POINT
10:11:48 IN MY AREA, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A FIRE.
10:11:52 MAJOR SHOOTINGS IN MY AREA, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
10:11:55 IT.
10:11:56 I DO THINK THAT IT -- THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S SAFE,
10:12:04 WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:12:05 AND I GET A LITTLE PUSHBACK AT TIMES, AND I'M HOPING THAT
10:12:12 WITH THIS SITUATION, IT WILL WE'LL HAVE THAT, AND I THINK
10:12:20 NOT JUST HOW TO CHANGE BUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR KEEPING THE
10:12:23 COMMUNITY SAFE.
10:12:27 AND RECALL WHERE THAT COMMANDER OR ONE OF THE CAPTAINS,
10:12:33 THAT'S WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT
10:12:36 TYPE OF COMMUNICATION GOING ON.
10:12:37 SO WHEN WE GET A CALL, WE HAVE SITUATIONS -- SOMETHING
10:12:47 IS -- I'M HOPING THERE'S A BETTER SYSTEM IN PLACE.
10:12:54 I YIELD BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN.
10:12:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER
10:12:58 GUDES.
10:12:59 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
10:13:00 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:13:02 I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:13:05 NOTHING TOO LENGTHY.
10:13:06 I JUST WANT TO SALUTE THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR
10:13:09 CONSTANT CONTACT WITH US.
10:13:10 I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT THROUGH MY
10:13:14 CONSTITUENTS ON SO MANY ISSUES, AND BY AND LARGE IT'S
10:13:17 ALWAYS BEEN CHIEF BENNETT.
10:13:19 CHIEF BENNETT KNOWS OF MY SENTIMENTS WITH REGARDS TO HIM,
10:13:22 AND HE'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT HE IS, I THINK HE'S
10:13:26 STELLAR AND HE ALWAYS DOES A STELLAR JOB IN TERMS OF
10:13:31 KEEPING US UPDATED.
10:13:32 AGAIN, I SAY THAT FROM EXPERIENCE.
10:13:34 JUST OVER THE LAST SEVERAL -- NOT ONLY COVID ISSUES BUT
10:13:39 ALSO CIVIL DISTURBANCES, AND WHATNOT, THE LOOTING THAT
10:13:49 OCCURRED IN THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.
10:13:54 NOT ONLY ON THAT ISSUE BUT ALSO ON A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY
10:13:57 SENTIMENTS AND BUSINESSES AFFECTED, ET CETERA.
10:14:02 SO JUST FOR ME, I THINK IT'S A SALUTE THEM FOR THEIR HARD
10:14:07 WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY.
10:14:09 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
10:14:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:11 JUST TO WRAP UP, CHIEF.
10:14:12 YOU DO A WONDERFUL JOB.
10:14:15 I THINK YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND YOUR OFFICE HAS
10:14:19 ALWAYS BEEN VERY GOOD.
10:14:21 I HAVE OFTEN SAID THAT YOU WORK TOO MUCH AND TOO HARD.
10:14:24 BUT YOU ARE UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, ALWAYS VERY
10:14:30 RESPONSIVE.
10:14:31 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.
10:14:34 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:35 ANYTHING ELSE, CHIEF?
10:14:36 >>MARK BENTLEY: NO.
10:14:38 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:14:39 AGAIN, IT'S A STATUS OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT SO WE'LL
10:14:44 WORK TOWARDS IT.
10:14:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:46 THAT SETTLES ITEM NUMBER 4.
10:14:48 WE WILL NOW GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND CONTINUE THROUGH
10:14:52 THE AGENDA.
10:14:53 ITEM NUMBER 1 WHO FROM STAFF WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN THE
10:14:59 DIALOGUE HERE?
10:15:03 >>GINA GRIMES: THIS IS GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.
10:15:06 AND I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 1 AND 2 UNDER THE STAFF
10:15:11 REPORTS.
10:15:14 TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION MADE BACK IN JUNE
10:15:18 REGARDING THE CRB'S AUTHORITY.
10:15:20 AND I AM GOING TO BE JOINED IN THIS PRESENTATION THIS
10:15:24 MORNING BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE BRIAN DUGAN, BY CHIEF
10:15:30 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY URSULA RICHArdSON AND ALSO BY
10:15:34 CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT.
10:15:38 IN ADDITION TO RESPONDING TO YOUR TWO REQUESTS AT THIS
10:15:43 TIME WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME ADDITIONAL
10:15:46 MEASURES OF THE AUTHORITY AND ROLE OF THAT CITIZENS
10:15:51 REVIEW BOARD.
10:15:52 AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSAL IS TO APPROVE THE --
10:15:57 IMPROVE THE ACCESSIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY OF TPD
10:16:00 OPERATION.
10:16:01 AND IN AN EFFORT TO IN TURN IMPROVE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST.
10:16:05 AND CHIEF DUGAN AND MS. RICHARDSON WILL GO OVER OUR
10:16:12 PROPOSAL WITH YOU IN MORE SPECIFIC DETAIL.
10:16:15 I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS.
10:16:19 THERE ARE SEVERAL LEGAL AND POLICY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH
10:16:23 HOW THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED OR PERMITTED TO EXPAND THE
10:16:27 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD'S ROLE AND POWER.
10:16:30 AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE MANY GROUPS AND
10:16:34 INDIVIDUALS WITH VERY STRONG CONVICTIONS REGARDING THIS
10:16:37 SUBJECT.
10:16:38 AND WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES WITH THOSE
10:16:42 VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS SPECIFICALLY, THIS MORNING YOU HEARD
10:16:48 FROM THE ACLU THAT THE CITY'S' PROPOSAL DOES NOT GO FAR
10:16:57 ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO DO MORE.
10:16:58 AT THE SAME TIME YOU ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER YESTERDAY
10:17:00 FROM THE PBA THAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL GOES TOO
10:17:05 FAR AND IT SHOULD BE SCALED BACK.
10:17:09 I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THE FACT THAT THE ACLU THINKS THAT
10:17:12 THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH, BUT THE PBA THINKS
10:17:17 IT GOES TOO FAR.
10:17:18 I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT MEANS THAT IT IS LIKELY
10:17:22 THIS PROPOSAL WAS SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
10:17:24 AND IN FACT IT GOES FAR ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO FAR.
10:17:30 AND I THINK WE STRUCK A PROPER CORD WITH HOW THE CRB'S
10:17:34 POWER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
10:17:35 AND I REALIZE THIS IS A LOT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER
10:17:48 AND THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP THIS MORNING AND NO ACTION
10:17:51 SHALL BE TAKEN AND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND
10:17:54 CONSIDER ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
10:17:55 IN FACT, SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY
10:17:58 MADE AND PROVIDED TO US THEIR PROPOSED REVISION TO THE
10:18:03 ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL AND MOST OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS
10:18:07 ARE (SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO
10:18:20 CHIEF DUGAN AND URSULA RICHARDSON.
10:18:23 AT THE END OF THEIR PRESENTATION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
10:18:26 THAT WE ALSO ADDRESS THAT OUR LEGAL AND POLICY ISSUES
10:18:31 IDENTIFIED BY BOTH THE ACLU AND THE PBA.
10:18:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:18:41 GO AHEAD CHIEF.
10:18:41 >>CHIEF DUGAN: CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:18:46 HAVING BEEN EXPOSED TO THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS,
10:18:55 EXISTING ROLE OF THE CRB IS TO REVIEW INTERNAL TPD
10:19:02 INVESTIGATIONS REGARDING USE OF FORCE, AND WHETHER THIS
10:19:05 IS IN ACCORD WITH POLICIES AND PROCEDURE.
10:19:08 THEY ALSO REVIEWED CASES AND ISSUE IMPORTANCE OF INTEREST
10:19:14 TO COMMUNITY AND CITY REGARDING TPD HANDLING OF ISSUES
10:19:17 AND WHETHER VISIONS OF TPD POLICIES ARE APPROPRIATE.
10:19:22 ALONG WITH THE CHANGES REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL, THE
10:19:31 CITY HAS ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS REGARDING THE CRB.
10:19:35 PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL DUTIES OF THE
10:19:38 CRB.
10:19:40 ADDITIONAL DUTIES
10:19:54 PURPOSE FOR ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT
10:20:04 COMMUNITY COMMENT AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID IT WAS
10:20:06 LOOKING FOR IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SUGGEST PROPOSALS
10:20:12 TO THE CRB ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROMOTE AND ENSURE
10:20:17 CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, CONDUCT, AND IMPROVE THE PUBLIC
10:20:21 TRUST.
10:20:22 BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT WAS ALSO FOR THE PURPOSE OF
10:20:24 INCREASING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF CITIZENS TO THE CRB,
10:20:28 INCREASING THE CRB'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE REVIEW AND
10:20:32 DISCIPLINARY PROCESS AND ENHANCING THE CRB VISIBILITY IN
10:20:36 THE COMMUNITY.
10:20:38 AS A PART OF THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH THESE
10:20:41 PROPOSALS, WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE
10:20:46 STATE OF FLORIDA AND WE TRIED TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE STATE
10:20:48 OF FLORIDA JUST BECAUSE WEIGHED THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE
10:20:52 OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.
10:20:56 SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT FLORIDA JURISDICTIONS, AND THEIR
10:21:01 FUNCTIONS AND THEIR DUTIES.
10:21:03 WE ALSO WENT FURTHER SINCE WE HAD OUR EXISTING CITIZENS
10:21:07 REVIEW BOARD IN PLACE NOW FOR FIVE YEARS TO SPEAK TO
10:21:10 CURRENT AND EXISTING MEMBERS INCLUDING THE CURRENT CHAIR
10:21:13 OF THE BOARD, TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND INPUT FOR
10:21:20 THINGS THAT MAY FURTHER THEIR PURPOSE FOR THE BOARD.
10:21:26 WE LOOK AT LITERATURE AND ARTICLES [RUSTLING PAPERS],
10:21:34 COVERED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD
10:21:36 RESOURCE.
10:21:36 OF COURSE, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WE MOST CERTAINLY --
10:21:41 TO THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE NOT
10:21:44 RUNNING AWE FOUL WITH THAT AND ALSO WENT THROUGH THE
10:21:47 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING [RUSTLING PAPERS] SECTIONS THAT
10:21:51 WILL BE APPLICABLE AND OF COURSE LOOKING AT CASE LAW THAT
10:21:56 IS EVALUATED WITH BOARD AND OTHER ISSUES ASSOCIATED THERE
10:22:00 WITH.
10:22:01 SO THIS IS NOT JUST A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE -- BUT
10:22:06 MAKING SURE ALONG THE WAY THAT STAKEHOLDERS WHICH GINA
10:22:11 MENTIONED, AND WE HAD SEVERAL HOURS OF CONVERSATION AT
10:22:14 THIS POINT WITH THE ACLU.
10:22:17 WE HAVE ALSO SPOKEN WITH THE NAACP, AND AGAIN THE CURRENT
10:22:22 AND PAST MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND GETTING INPUT FROM
10:22:27 THEM AS WELL THAT WE ARE MOVING THROUGH THIS
10:22:28 CONVERSATION.
10:22:30 THE FIRST SECTION THAT I WANT TO COVER IS THE ADDITIONAL
10:22:33 DUTIES OF THE CRB.
10:22:35 RIGHT I KNOW IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS 18-8, IN
10:22:39 THAT ORDINANCE, THE DUTIES OF THE CRB ARE SET FORTH IN
10:22:42 SUBSECTION C.
10:22:44 IN SUBSECTION C, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS IN ADDITION TO
10:22:47 THOSE EXISTING DUTIES THAT THE CHIEF JUST MENTIONED TO
10:22:51 YOU, ADDING THE REVIEW ALLOWING CRB TO REVIEW CERTAIN
10:22:57 PENDING INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
10:23:02 THE MORE SIGNIFICANT AND SUBSTANTIAL THINGS INVOLVING THE
10:23:05 USE OF FORCE, THE USE OF SOP 538, WHICH IS THE RESISTANCE
10:23:14 WHICH COVERS THOSE THINGS LIKE THE TASER, THE USE OF
10:23:17 K9s, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ALSO UNDER MOR 1600 AND MOR
10:23:24 1800 WHICH ARE ALSO TICKET ITEMS THAT BASICALLY WILL BE
10:23:28 OF INTEREST OF COMMUNITY.
10:23:29 WE WERE NOT IN THE PROCESS OF PROPOSING THAT THEY LOOK AT
10:23:33 THINGS LIKE OFFICERS MISSING COURT OR THINGS THAT HAPPEN
10:23:36 WITH THE EXTRA DUTY BUT TRYING TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS.
10:23:50 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT CLOSED AND COMPLETED USE OF FORCE
10:23:57 INCIDENTS ONLY, AND IT'S AFTER ALL HAVE BEEN MADE AS FAR
10:24:02 AS DISPOSITION OF THE COMPLAINT AND ALSO ALL DECISIONS
10:24:05 HAVE BEEN MADE REGARDING HOW AN OFFICER MIGHT BE
10:24:07 DISCIPLINED FOR THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT IF HE WAS FOUND
10:24:10 IN VIOLATION OF THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES.
10:24:13 WE PROPOSE AT THIS POINT THAT THE CRB BE ABLE TO
10:24:17 INTERVENE AND HAVE SOME INPUT AFTER WHAT'S CONSIDERED THE
10:24:21 INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE
10:24:23 OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS MAKES THE INVESTIGATION
10:24:27 CONFIDENTIAL, SO THAT MEANS ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED
10:24:29 WITH THE INVESTIGATION, WITNESSES, THAT TESTIFIED,
10:24:35 EVIDENCE THAT'S GATHERED, ALL OF THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL
10:24:38 ACCORDING TO THE OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS, UNTIL A
10:24:41 DISPOSITION HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND THE OFFICER IS
10:24:45 NOTIFIED OF THE POTENTIAL THAT HE MAY BE DISCIPLINED FOR
10:24:47 A VIOLATION OF POLICY.
10:24:49 THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE PROPOSE THAT THE CRB WOULD
10:24:52 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN REVIEW THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES,
10:24:56 AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THEIR
10:24:59 DISPROPORTIONS OF THE COMPLAINT AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL
10:25:02 DISCIPLINE, OBVIOUSLY ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CRB
10:25:06 WOULD MAKE, AND THEY WOULD GET TRAINING IN THESE
10:25:08 DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHERE THE
10:25:11 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT
10:25:14 INTERNAL PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATION CONSIDERING THEY
10:25:17 GET THE EDUCATION SO THEY WILL KNOW HOW AND WHERE THEY
10:25:21 COULD WEIGH IN ON THAT SITUATION.
10:25:23 THE OTHER, BASED ON YOUR MOTION THAT YOU PROPOSED BACK ON
10:25:26 JUNE 4, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL DUTY
10:25:29 THAT THE CRB WILL REVIEW THE HIRING, THE CRITERIA FOR
10:25:37 PERSPECTIVE NEW OFFICERS AND ALSO PARTICIPATE IN A NEW
10:25:41 ENERGY PANEL.
10:25:42 AS WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL'S MOTION IN
10:25:45 CONSULTATION BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS BUILT CHIEF,
10:25:49 WHAT WE ENVISION FOR THE INVOLVEMENT FOR THE CRB IS
10:25:53 HAVING AN INTERVIEW PANEL THAT WILL CONSIST OF
10:25:56 APPROXIMATELY FIVE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE OUTSIDE RETIRED
10:26:01 POLICE OFFICERS, THREE INTERNAL POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEN
10:26:04 A MEMBER OF THE CRB AND PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED A WAY FOR
10:26:08 THEM TO SUGGEST MEMBERS AND ALSO ROTATE SO EVERY MEMBER
10:26:12 OF THE BOARD GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE HIRING
10:26:15 EXPERIENCE, AND THAT OF COURSE AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS,
10:26:19 WE ENVISION AS PART OF THE THEIR EDUCATION THEY WILL GET
10:26:23 TO LEARN WHAT MINIMUM MANDATORY CRITERIA IS REQUIRED BY
10:26:26 FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND ALSO WHAT THE
10:26:29 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS AS MINIMUM
10:26:34 QUALIFICATIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE FLORIDA
10:26:37 DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUIRED.
10:26:39 AND OF COURSE THEIR PARTICIPATION, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BY
10:26:42 EDUCATING THEM WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE
10:26:45 DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY STANDARDS.
10:26:52 AN ADDITIONAL DUTY UNDER SECTION E IN THE CURRENT
10:26:56 ORDINANCE WE ARE PROPOSING -- AND THIS IS WHAT YOU MAY
10:26:59 HAVE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER IN THE PBA LETTER THAT WAS SENT
10:27:02 YESTERDAY -- IS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING OF COURSE WITHIN
10:27:06 THE CONFINES OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS, JUST SO THE
10:27:10 CRB IS AWARE OF WHAT KIND OF COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN,
10:27:14 THAT THEY WILL RECEIVE A MONTHLY NOTIFICATION OF ALL NEW
10:27:17 COMPLAINTS RECEIVED, OF COURSE PROPERLY REDACTED IN ORDER
10:27:22 TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION BUT
10:27:25 EXISTENCE OF A COMPLAINT WE BELIEVE IS PROPERLY SOMETHING
10:27:29 THAT THE CRB CAN SEE THAT A COMPLAINT WAS MADE IF GIVEN A
10:27:33 CERTAIN CASE NUMBER, THAT THE COMPLAINT COME IN WITHOUT
10:27:39 ANY PARTICULARLY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION THAT MAY EXPOSE
10:27:45 I GUESS IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT CONFIDENTIALITY SO THAT
10:27:48 THEY ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY CAN KEEP TRACK WHAT THE
10:27:51 STATUS OF THAT INVESTIGATION IS.
10:27:52 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CRB OF COURSE CURRENTLY HAS
10:27:56 THE LIBERTY TO DO, BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT
10:27:58 EXCLUSIVELY AT CLOSED INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASES AND THEY
10:28:03 RECEIVE A LIST OF THOSE CASES AND THEY SELECT FROM THAT
10:28:07 LIST AND THEN THEY REVIEW, BUT NOT NECESSARILY KNOWING
10:28:10 THAT THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE EVEN EXISTING IN THE FIRST
10:28:12 PLACE.
10:28:13 SO WE WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO
10:28:16 MONITOR COMPLAINTS FROM THEIR COMPLETION AND ALSO KEEP AN
10:28:20 EYE OUT FOR TRAINING THAT MAY BE HAPPENING WHEN THEY
10:28:23 RECEIVE THAT LIST, SO THEY KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON IT.
10:28:27 WE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THE CRB BE ABLE TO RECEIVE
10:28:31 COMPLAINTS CURRENTLY FOR RECEIPT OF COMPLAINTS THROUGH
10:28:36 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND VARIOUS WAYS THAT A PERSON CAN
10:28:42 MAKE A COMPLAINT, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT BE
10:28:44 MORE COMFORTABLE WITH SENDING COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY TO THE
10:28:48 CRB ITSELF.
10:28:50 WE ANTICIPATE THAT BASICALLY THERE HE WOULD BE A CRB
10:28:53 E-MAIL WHERE THAT WOULD BE RECEIVED.
10:28:56 AND OF COURSE THAT E-MAIL IN ITSELF WILL BE PROTECTED,
10:28:59 AND ALSO CONFIDENCE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT REQUIRES BY THE
10:29:02 OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS BUT IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE
10:29:05 CHAIR OF THE CRB AND THEN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS
10:29:09 COORDINATOR OR THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD COORDINATOR TO
10:29:12 MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED IN THAT
10:29:15 E-MAIL ARE MOVED TO THE PROPER PROCESSING.
10:29:22 AND AS WE RESEARCHED, WE LEARNED THAT THE CRB CONDUCT A
10:29:27 COMMUNITY SURVEY BACK IN 2018 THAT BASICALLY PROBED THE
10:29:31 COMMUNITY'S PROFESSION OF TPD ENGAGEMENT AND ALSO SOME OF
10:29:35 THEIR POLICIES, AND THAT PARTICULAR SURVEY WAS VERY
10:29:38 HELPFUL AND THE CHAIR WAS VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THE FACT
10:29:42 THAT THAT WAS HOW THE CRB LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THINGS IN
10:29:47 LIGHT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ARE, AND NO MATTER
10:29:50 WHAT THE STATUS WAS, WHETHER IT WAS FEMALE, WHETHER
10:29:56 GENDER, OR ECONOMIC STATUS, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS
10:29:58 RACE, THE TOP FIVE CATEGORIES WERE THE SAME FOR ALL
10:30:01 PEOPLE.
10:30:01 THE PRIORITY OF THOSE CATEGORIES MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT
10:30:04 BUT THEY WERE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT THE STATUS WAS.
10:30:07 AND SO SEEING HOW HELPFUL THAT HAS BEEN, AND THAT IT
10:30:12 WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE MANDATING THAT THE CRB CONDUCT A
10:30:16 COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY THREE YEARS, THERE'S ROOM FOR
10:30:21 CHANGE, THE FREQUENCY OF THAT, BUT EVERY THREE YEARS IS
10:30:23 WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
10:30:25 DO THAT.
10:30:28 MOVING TO THE NEXT SECTION, WE HAVE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL
10:30:30 DUTIES FOR THE CRB COORDINATOR, AND IN YOUR CURRENT
10:30:34 ORDINANCE, THE CRB COORDINATOR, CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE
10:30:40 CAPPED PD AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS AS PART OF
10:30:45 ADDITIONAL DUTIES IS THAT HE QUO DO WORKSHOPS TO TRAIN
10:30:48 THE CRB ON ALL THE THINGS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND POLICE
10:30:52 WORK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY HAVE
10:30:57 OVERSIGHT OVER THE DEPARTMENT.
10:30:59 WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE COORDINATOR WOULD THEN TRAIN THE
10:31:02 CRB MEMBERS AT LEAST BIANNUALLY OR THEY CAN ELECT, THEY
10:31:07 MEANING THE BOARD, CAN ELECT TO BE TRAINED MORE
10:31:09 FREQUENTLY, IF THEY JUST REALLY NEED MORE INFORMATION
10:31:13 ABOUT.
10:31:13 AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE POLICY STANDARD, POLICIES
10:31:16 ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT ETHICS, POLICIES,
10:31:22 GRIEVANCE PROCESS, PUBLIC RECORDS, THE HIRING PROCESS OF
10:31:26 BODY-WORN CAMERAS.
10:31:27 THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
10:31:29 THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING AT LEAST AT EACH MEETING THAT THE
10:31:32 CAPTAIN GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THESE TOPICS
10:31:35 SO THE CRB IS CONSTANTLY BEING EDUCATED ABOUT LAW
10:31:39 ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK SO THAT THEY ARE
10:31:43 ALWAYS CURRENT IN THE KNOWLEDGE FOR OVERSEEING THE
10:31:46 PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT.
10:31:48 WE WOULD ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT AN ADDITIONAL DUTY FOR THE
10:31:51 COORDINATOR OF CRB WOULD BE TO NOTIFY THE CRB WHICH NOW
10:31:55 THEY MAY GET INFORMATION BY THEIR ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE
10:32:02 FOR CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN OBLIGATION
10:32:06 BY THE CAPTAIN OF PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS TO TELL THE CRB
10:32:10 IN ADVANCE, 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT
10:32:14 IMPLEMENTING A NEW USE OF FORCE POLICY, TO BASICALLY GIVE
10:32:17 THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, I KNOW THEM ABOUT THE POLICY, AND
10:32:20 ALSO HAVE THE COORDINATOR GIVE SOME EXPANSION TO THEM
10:32:23 ABOUT THE POLICY DIRECTION OF WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING, AND
10:32:27 TO BE ALLOW THE CRB TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THAT.
10:32:30 AND THIS WOULD ALSO APPLY NOT JUST TO NEW POLICIES THAT
10:32:33 MAY BE PUT ONLINE.
10:32:36 FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET A NEW USE LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL IF WE
10:32:39 GET NEW TASERS AND THINGS THAT I USE, BUT IF THEY GET A
10:32:45 NEW TOOL LIKE A TASER, YOU WE HAVE TO PROMULGATE A POLICY
10:32:49 THAT REGULATES AND CONTROLS THAT SO THEY WOULD KNOW IN
10:32:51 ADVANCE THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS TOOL, BUT, B, WHAT THE
10:32:54 RULES WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TOOL.
10:32:56 AND WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD BE NOTIFIED IF
10:32:59 THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO ANY
10:33:02 EXISTING USE OF FORCE POLICY.
10:33:04 AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COORDINATOR
10:33:07 WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE.
10:33:12 AND ALSO IN THE CURRENT STATUTES RIGHT NOW, YOUR
10:33:16 ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS UNDER SUBSECTION G, THERE
10:33:20 IS ALREADY A REPORT THAT THE CRB PROVIDES OWN AN ANNUAL
10:33:25 BASIS TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN
10:33:28 AND WHAT WE PROPOSE FOR BEEFING UP THE ADDITIONAL REPORT.
10:33:33 AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SUGGESTIONS THAT THE
10:33:36 COORDINATOR OR CHAIR OF THE CRB COME AND PRESENT THAT
10:33:41 WHICH IS A GOOD SUGGESTION, THAT THE CHAIR OF THE CRB
10:33:44 WOULD COME ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT TO
10:33:47 PRESENT IT FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO
10:33:51 LEARN WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING.
10:33:53 AND AS A PART OF THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT ANNUAL REPORT
10:33:57 WOULD NECESSARILY INCLUDE THE CRB'S ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO
10:34:00 COMMENT ON THE SERVICE, AND ALSO FOR THEM WHO HAVE BEEN
10:34:05 PERFORMING THE WORK TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE
10:34:07 CHANGES, ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.
10:34:12 GOING TO YOUR SECTION ABOUT QUALIFICATIONS AND PROMISE
10:34:16 ABOUT QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, THE MEMBERSHIP, WHICH
10:34:19 IS CURRENTLY IN SECTION D OF THE ORDINANCE 18-8-A, WE
10:34:26 WOULD PROPOSE THAT ADDITIONAL MEMBERS DISQUALIFICATION
10:34:30 WOULD BE IF YOU WERE ARRESTED BY THE TPD, BECAUSE IT'S
10:34:33 SUPPOSED TO BE AN UNBIASED PANEL, OR IF YOU ARE SUING OR
10:34:38 IF YOU HAVE SUED TPD, NOT FOR INJURY ACCIDENT OR
10:34:43 SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BUT WITH SOME TYPE OF ACTIVE
10:34:46 POLICE ACTIVITY SUCH AS MAKING AN ARREST OR USE OF FORCE,
10:34:49 THAT WOULD BE A DISQUALIFIER.
10:34:53 AND IF YOU MAKE A NEW CLAIM WHILE SERVING ON THE BOARD,
10:34:56 THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BASICALLY NECESSITY
10:35:00 YOUR REMOVAL OF THE BOARD IF YOU IMPLEMENT A NEW LAWSUIT
10:35:02 FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
10:35:05 WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIP FROM
10:35:09 ORGANIZATIONS.
10:35:10 RIGHT IN AND OUT THE WAY THE BOARD IS STRUCTURED, THAT
10:35:12 THEY ARE FIVE MEMBERS SELECTED BY THE MAYOR, FOUR MEMBERS
10:35:16 BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY TWO
10:35:19 VACANT ALTERNATE POSITIONS, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS
10:35:24 SOME BUY-IN, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THAT SOME ORGANIZATIONS
10:35:29 INCLUDING THE NAACP TAKE ONE OF THOSE AVAILABLE, TWO
10:35:34 AVAILABLE SEATS, AND ALSO MAYBE FROM USF OR UNIVERSITY OF
10:35:38 TAMPA, THEIR CRIMINOLOGY DEPARTMENT, MAYBE AN EXTERNAL
10:35:42 ORGANIZATION TAKING A SEAT ON THE BOARD TO ALSO WEIGH IN
10:35:46 WITHIN THEIR INPUT.
10:35:48 AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES,
10:35:51 WE ARE PROPOSING, WE ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF THAT
10:35:53 ACCESSIBILITY AND HIGHLIGHTING THE VISIBILITY OF THE CRB,
10:35:57 WE ARE PROPOSING THE CREATION OF A CRB WEBSITE.
10:36:00 AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY CRB CENTRAL FOR ALL
10:36:03 INFORMATION ABOUT WHO IS ON THE BOARD, WHAT IS THE TERM
10:36:07 ON THE BOARD, WHEN DOES THAT TERM EXPIRE, HOW IT'S MAKING
10:36:10 APPLICATION TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, HOW TO MAKE
10:36:14 ANY COMPLAINT AGAINST THE POLICE OFFICER, ALL CENTRALLY
10:36:18 LOCATED IN ONE SPOT.
10:36:19 WHAT WE ALSO ANTICIPATE DOING AS FAR AS VISIBILITY IS
10:36:22 DURING THE ACTUAL TELEVISED MEETING, WHICH USUALLY
10:36:25 HAPPENS ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 6:00, IS
10:36:28 THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CRAWLER THAT WOULD STILL
10:36:33 ADVERTISE THEIR E-MAIL ADDRESS, THEIR WEBSITE ADDRESS,
10:36:36 AND ALSO HOW TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER
10:36:39 SO THE COMMUNITY IS ALSO ALWAYS BEING EDUCATED AND
10:36:42 UPDATED ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.
10:36:44 AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S
10:36:48 ALWAYS ACCESS TO THE CRB IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST IN
10:36:51 ONE LOCATION, IS THAT THE CRB HOLD MEETINGS AT VARIOUS
10:36:54 COMMUNITY SITES IN EACH OF THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS,
10:36:58 TOWN HALL, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS THE
10:37:01 PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE CRB.
10:37:04 AND OF COURSE THE MEETINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE TELEVISED.
10:37:07 AND THOSE ARE A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ABOVE AND
10:37:12 BEYOND THE MOTIONS MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:37:20 >>GINA GRIMES: WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, HEARING COUNCIL'S
10:37:23 FEEDBACK ON THESE PROPOSALS, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
10:37:31 HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, YOU CAN DO SO.
10:37:36 AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF
10:37:39 THE POSITIONS STATED BY THE ACLU AND THE PBA.
10:37:44 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO THAT NOW OR
10:37:48 TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW.
10:37:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:37:53 ITEM NUMBER 8, BECAUSE IT IS IMPLICIT BY THE DISCUSSION
10:37:57 THERE, I WAS THINKING SINCE THIS ALL KIND OF TIES IN
10:38:01 TOGETHER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS NOW OR WOULD YOU
10:38:04 WANT TO HOLD OFF UNTIL LATER IN THE AGENDA?
10:38:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S YOUR DECISION.
10:38:13 EITHER WAY.
10:38:13 WE ARE PREPARED TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.
10:38:15 ANDREA ZELMAN, OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, IS PREPARED TO
10:38:20 PROVIDE THAT PRESENTATION ON THE IMPLICIT BIAS ORDINANCE
10:38:26 TRAINING.
10:38:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL
10:38:29 IF WE TAKE NUMBER 8 NOW?
10:38:31 BECAUSE I THINK IT TIES IN WELL WITH THE ENTIRE
10:38:33 DISCUSSION.
10:38:34 COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS WAS YOUR DISCUSSION.
10:38:36 WHAT DO YOU THINK?
10:38:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:38:39 YOU KNOW, IT DOES TIE IN RELATED 110%.
10:38:43 I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
10:38:46 MAYBE SINCE MY SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE THEM
10:38:52 AT SEPARATE TIMES, AND DISCUSS THAT.
10:38:56 AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE EITHER
10:39:00 CONCURRENTLY OR AFTER ONE ANOTHER.
10:39:02 MAYBE AFTER ONE ANOTHER WOULD LEAD TO A BETTER
10:39:05 DISTINCTION.
10:39:06 AT THE VERY LEAST I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION TO HAVE CLOSE
10:39:09 IN PROXIMITY IS VERY WELL TAKEN, MR. CHAIR.
10:39:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [RUSTLING PAPERS]
10:39:19 WHOEVER IS RUSTLING PAPERS, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE.
10:39:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:39:21 WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION NOW FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN
10:39:23 WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 8 AND THEN DISCUSS THAT, IN
10:39:29 LINE, SINCE I THINK IT ALL TIES IN.
10:39:31 SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ON ITEMS 1 AND 2, I WILL MIX IT UP.
10:39:35 COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK OFF THE
10:39:37 DISCUSSION?
10:39:38 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
10:39:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME START OFF BY SAYING WONDERFUL
10:39:49 PRESENTATION BY MS. RICHARDSON.
10:39:51 COUNCIL, AS YOU MAY KNOW, I MADE THIS MOTION BECAUSE I
10:39:53 KNOW OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT DO HAPPEN IN-HOUSE, OUT OF
10:40:01 THE HOUSE.
10:40:02 AND I KNOW FROM AT ONE TIME I WAS A POLICE OFFICER AND I
10:40:09 UNDERSTAND POLICE PROCEDURES AND ISSUES, PROCESS AND SO
10:40:13 FORTH AND SO ON.
10:40:15 BUT I GOT ELECTED CITY COUNCIL BY THE TAXPAYERS.
10:40:20 SO NOT ONLY A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, I'M A CITY COUNCIL
10:40:25 MEMBER.
10:40:25 AND I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING IS
10:40:30 DOABLE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THERE ARE LEGAL
10:40:35 PROCEDURES AND POLICIES, FOLLOW PROCEDURES WELL.
10:40:52 BUT I AM ALWAYS MINDFUL THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD
10:40:57 POLICE OFFICERS, AND THERE ARE SOME BAD ONES.
10:41:00 BUT WITH POLICING TODAY, THE CHANGE TO MORE ARREST AND
10:41:08 CRIME, BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY IN WORKING
10:41:12 WITH PEOPLE, YOU CAN STILL REDUCE CRIME.
10:41:14 AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF.
10:41:19 AND WHEN YOU ARE OUT THERE COACHING YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY
10:41:25 KNOW.
10:41:40 I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN GET BACK, AND I KNOW SOME OF THE
10:41:45 OFFICERS ARE ANGERED THAT I MADE THE MOTION ABOUT THE CRB
10:41:50 BOARD.
10:41:54 BUT I STILL SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A PLACE THAT
10:42:00 I BELIEVE YOU CAN GO, GET A JOB, THOSE WHO -- A LOT OF
10:42:07 OUR COLLEAGUES AT MY RETIREMENT DID NOT HAVE COLLEGE.
10:42:11 THEY CAME ON, AND THEY WOULD MAKE A LIVING, GO ON AND GET
10:42:16 A BETTER EDUCATION, AND TO ME I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO
10:42:22 HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT TO BE A
10:42:25 PERSON -- AND I ALWAYS SAY IN THE COMMUNITY, NEVER BEEN
10:42:30 AROUND DIFFERENT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT CULTURES, YOU DON'T
10:42:33 KNOW.
10:42:33 SO YOU GET IN AN AREA AND YOU ARE ALWAYS TOLD BAD PEOPLE,
10:42:40 BAD THINGS.
10:42:43 AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID BEFORE YOU HAVE A BADGE AND A GUN
10:42:48 YOU SHOULD BE IN A CLASS WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT
10:42:50 CULTURE OF PEOPLE, SO WHEN YOU GET IN N THAT CAR, YOU
10:42:53 KNOW MS. JONES WHO LIVES AT THE CORNER, NOW MR. aND
10:42:58 MRS. SMITH, BUT HEY, HE'S NOT HURTING ANYBODY.
10:43:02 HE'LL COMPLY WHEN YOU TELL HIM WHAT TO DO.
10:43:05 BUT I LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW ON THE
10:43:08 SCREEN.
10:43:10 I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON THE HIRING
10:43:13 BOARD.
10:43:13 WHEN I LOOK AT THE CHIEF, RETIRED AND OTHER POLICE
10:43:17 OFFICERS, AND A COMMUNITY LEADER OR CITIZEN, SHOULD BE ON
10:43:21 THAT BOARD.
10:43:22 TO ME THERE'S TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON THAT BOARD.
10:43:26 AGAIN I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE IS ANY DIVERSITY ON THAT
10:43:30 BOARD.
10:43:31 IF YOU HAVE A POLICE CHIEF AND FOUR OFFICERS, A AND YOU
10:43:37 THEY UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU
10:43:43 CAN IDENTIFY AND RELATE, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENED.
10:43:46 AND ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU HAVE DIVERSITY.
10:43:50 AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE MOTION LAST WEEK, TO MAKE SURE
10:43:53 THAT WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE.
10:43:55 AND I HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT THE
10:43:59 WORD SHOULD BE FIRST RESPONDERS, NOT JUST THE POLICE, BUT
10:44:05 WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
10:44:10 TO ME I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT TO ME RIGHT NOW IS THE
10:44:14 HIRING POLICY, AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN STRENGTHEN THAT
10:44:18 BETTER ACROSS THE BOARD.
10:44:20 I HEARD MS. GRIMES TALK EARLY ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER AND SO
10:44:27 FORTH AND SO ON.
10:44:28 AS YOU KNOW, I SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.
10:44:36 IN THE FIRST PLACE ON THAT BOARD, I SAID TELL ME ABOUT
10:44:41 SUBPOENA POWER.
10:44:41 AND AT THAT TIME, THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE BECAUSE.
10:44:55 SO I KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS SUBPOENA POWER.
10:44:57 BUT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET AROUND IT.
10:45:00 I DON'T THINK WE CAN RIGHT I KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR
10:45:02 CHARTER EITHER.
10:45:03 I THINK ANYTHING THAT SUBPOENA POWER HAS TO GO IN THE
10:45:07 CHARTER TO BE ENACTED.
10:45:08 BUT I AM GOING TO ASK LATER, TODAY IS JUST A WORKSHOP, SO
10:45:14 I CAN GET BETTER CLARIFICATION ON THE ISSUE.
10:45:19 I WANT TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION, HOW TO WORK WITH
10:45:21 CITIZENS GETTING A SUBPOENA, WHAT IS THE LEGAL RIGHT OF
10:45:23 THE SUBPOENAING PEOPLE, AND THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T BE
10:45:29 SUED AND TAKING MONEY FROM PUBLIC AREAS THAT WE NEED TO
10:45:33 PUT IN COMMUNITIES.
10:45:35 SO I WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT LATER ON IF
10:45:40 WE CAN.
10:45:41 I YIELD BACK.
10:45:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:45:42 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
10:45:44 COMMENTS, SIR?
10:45:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:45:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:45:53 (BELL RINGS)
10:45:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:45:59 >> (BELL RINGS).
10:46:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU HEAR US, COUNCILMAN
10:46:08 DINGFELDER?
10:46:09 WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
10:46:10 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:46:15 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:46:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.
10:46:20 TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE MR. GUDES WAS JUST SAYING, JUST
10:46:26 ADDRESS THAT THE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR POLICE
10:46:29 DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THIS WHOLE
10:46:33 DISCUSSION IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEM.
10:46:35 I MEAN, SURE THERE ARE BAD ACTORS, BUT OUR COMMUNITY
10:46:40 NEEDS OUR POLICE.
10:46:41 THEY NEED OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
10:46:43 WE NEED THEM TO WORK HARD FOR US AND WE NEED THEM TO
10:46:46 PREVENT CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY.
10:46:48 IN LOTS OF WAYS IT'S ASKING THAT WE SUPPORT THEM AND
10:46:53 REMEDIATING CRIMES.
10:46:58 THE GENESIS OF THIS WAS TO TRY TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
10:47:01 IF WE GO BACK IN TIME YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT THIS CAME
10:47:06 FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF A POLICY THAT WAS BEING
10:47:09 RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BY THE
10:47:12 LAST MAYOR AT THE TIME.
10:47:13 THE POLICY THAT THE POLICE PUT IN, OR INDIVIDUAL POLICE
10:47:17 OFFICERS PUT IN, IT WAS BY THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.
10:47:19 SO THE COMMUNITY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE WANT CONTROL, AND
10:47:24 ONE OF THEM WAS THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
10:47:29 THE CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP, THEY PUSHED FOR THIS, AND THE
10:47:33 REASON WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS BECAUSE THE LAST
10:47:37 MAYOR WENT BACK AND FORTH AND COMPLAINED AND RANTED ABOUT
10:47:41 MAKING SURE THAT HE CONTROLLED IT INSTEAD OF THE CITIZENS
10:47:47 AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:47:48 AND THERE WAS A PETTY CRIME RATE.
10:47:52 SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS -- THE REASON WHY WE HAD THIS
10:47:57 ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE -- SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO
10:48:03 WITH HOW WE FEEL ABOUT POLICE.
10:48:07 THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE THE BALANCE OF THE BOARD AND OTHER
10:48:11 ISSUES THAT ACLU BROUGHT UP, AND YOU WANT TO THANK MS.
10:48:18 GRIMES AND OTHERS IN THE DEPARTMENT.
10:48:23 I BELIEVE IN HAVING A DIALOGUE.
10:48:26 AND IT'S GOOD THAT WE HEARD BACK FROM PBA AND WE CONTINUE
10:48:30 TO HEAR BACK FROM THE PUBLIC.
10:48:31 MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE GROUPS THAT SPOKE THIS MORNING
10:48:34 FROM TAMPA JUSTICE AND ACLU THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE
10:48:37 RESPONDING TO THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL WITH A MARKED-UP COPY
10:48:40 THAT WE WILL RECEIVE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK, AND ALSO
10:48:45 THANK THE NEW MAYOR FOR TAKING THE POSITION ON THIS AND
10:48:49 STEPPING OUT AND TRYING TO REMEDIATE THE SITUATION.
10:48:53 IN THE NEXT WEEK WHEN WE GET THE PROPOSAL, STAFF'S
10:48:58 PROPOSAL AND ACLU AND TAMPA JUSTICE AND ALSO HEAR
10:49:02 FEEDBACK FROM PBA, WHEN WE GET READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO
10:49:07 SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES
10:49:09 AND ALSO LEGAL ADVICE SO WE CAN MAKE SOUND LEGAL
10:49:13 DECISIONS.
10:49:14 THANK YOU ALL.
10:49:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:49:15 I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:49:18 HE HAD A TECHNICAL GLITCH.
10:49:19 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU ON?
10:49:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:49:23 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
10:49:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:49:25 GO AHEAD.
10:49:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:49:28 JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
10:49:35 FIRST, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MS. GRIMES AND HER STAFF
10:49:38 INCLUDING MS. RICHARDSON AND THE ADMINISTRATION, THE
10:49:41 CHIEF AND THE MAYOR FOR A GOOD START ON SOME OF THOSE
10:49:45 REVISIONS THAT MS. RICHARDSON WENT THROUGH.
10:49:48 I THINK IT'S A GOOD START, THAT IT SHOULD BE A
10:49:58 COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK
10:50:01 THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF THIS IS OUR
10:50:08 OPPORTUNITY TO START COLLABORATING AND GETTING FEEDBACK.
10:50:11 MS. GRIMES, BEFORE I GET INTO SOME SPECIFICS, I JUST HAD
10:50:15 ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
10:50:20 YOU MENTIONED THE PBA LETTER.
10:50:22 AND I HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE PBA LETTER YESTERDAY, AND
10:50:26 I ALSO READ THE OPINION OF THE COOPER, AND WHICH CAME OUT
10:50:32 OF KEY WEST 15 YEARS AGO, WHICH STRUCK SUBSECTION 4 WHICH
10:50:36 THE PBA LETTER IS RELYING, AT LEAST HALF OF THEIR LETTER
10:50:41 WAS RELYING ON.
10:50:42 I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE BEST
10:50:47 LEGAL ADVICE POSSIBLE, THE PBA TRIED TO GIVE US LEGAL
10:50:50 ADVICE, IT APPEARED TO ME -- AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART OF
10:50:58 THAT STATUTE WHICH IS SUBSECTION 4.
10:51:00 DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, THAT SUBSECTION 4 WAS FOUND
10:51:05 UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE COURT AND THAT THEREFORE WE
10:51:11 SHOULD DISCARD THAT PORTION OF THE PBA LETTER?
10:51:14 AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IF WE GOT
10:51:19 INVOLVED IN THIS WE COULD BE COMMITTING MISDEMEANOR.
10:51:22 I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
10:51:25 AND I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT, BUT I THINK WE
10:51:28 HAVE A MISLEADING LETTER THERE.
10:51:39 >>GINA GRIMES: THEY ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR
10:51:40 SHALL YOU BUT ALSO FOUND IN SECTION 4 LANGUAGE THAT
10:51:42 SUPPORTS OUR PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THE CRB TO BE MADE AWARE
10:51:50 OF THE EXISTENCE OF A COMPLAINT.
10:51:53 OUR PROPOSAL SAYS THAT THAT WILL BE -- WILL BE NUMBERED
10:51:59 AND TRACKED, AND THAT THE CRB ON A MONTHLY BASIS WILL BE
10:52:04 MADE AWARE OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE COMPLAINT.
10:52:06 NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICE OFFICERS' NAMES OR DETAILS
10:52:12 ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS, ABOUT YOU THE FACT THAT A COMPLAINT
10:52:15 WAS REGARDING A CERTAIN ISSUE WAS IN FACT FILED.
10:52:20 AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A
10:52:24 COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEM.
10:52:27 AND JUST TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT SECTION 4 ALSO SAYS,
10:52:30 BECAUSE THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE THINK THE CRB AND
10:52:37 CITIZENS A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT COMPLAINTS.
10:52:40 >> IN THE PBA LETTER THEY ARE REFERENCING SECTION 4, 112,
10:52:44 533, FLORIDA STATUTE 112-533, SUBSECTION 4, AND THAT
10:52:51 SECTION IS THE SECTION WHERE ESSENTIALLY IT MAKES IT A
10:52:54 MISDEMEANOR FOR ANYBODY WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THE
10:52:58 INVESTIGATION INCLUDING THE PERSON WHO COMPLAINED, ANY OF
10:53:02 THE WITNESSES, THE INVESTIGATOR, THE OFFICER WHO IS THE
10:53:05 SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION OR EVEN THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL
10:53:08 AND MAKES AT MISDEMEANOR FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO DISCLOSE
10:53:12 INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN OBTAINED DURING THE
10:53:14 INVESTIGATION SUCH AS WHAT THE WITNESSES SAID, ALSO WHAT
10:53:18 EVIDENCE HAS BEEN GATHERED, AND MAKES IT VERY SPECIFIC IT
10:53:21 APPLIES TO THOSE PEOPLE.
10:53:23 BUT THAT SECTION GOES ON FURTHER TO SAY, ADDITIONALLY HIS
10:53:35 DESIGNEE IS NOT PRECLUDED FROM THE EXISTENCE OF A
10:53:38 COMPLAINT AND THAT THE INVESTIGATION IS UNDERWAY AND
10:53:40 THAT'S ALL WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT THE CRB CAN HAVE AN
10:53:43 IDEA OF WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE COMING IN.
10:53:47 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS THE WORDS REDACTED IN IT
10:53:50 BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WILL NOT NAME THE
10:53:54 COMPLAINANT, IT WILL NOT NAME THE OFFICER WHO MAY BE THE
10:53:57 SUBJECT OF THAT INVESTIGATION, BUT CERTAINLY BE MADE
10:54:01 AWARE THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN OPEN ON A POLICE
10:54:04 SHOOTING WHICH BY POLICY IS REQUIRED, WE DON'T BELIEVE
10:54:10 THAT IS OUT OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.
10:54:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THAT STARTED OUT BY MAKING
10:54:19 CHANGES.
10:54:20 THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION.
10:54:21 MY QUESTION WAS, SPECIFIC TO THE COOPER CASE, THE COOPER
10:54:25 CASE AS I READ IT, 15 YEARS AGO THE CIRCUIT STRUCK DOWN A
10:54:35 PROVISION OF A THREAT OF A MISDEMEANOR AS RELATED TO (4)
10:54:42 AND YET THE PBA ATTORNEY RELIED ON THAT.
10:54:45 NO ATTORNEY IN THE CITY HAS DISPUTED THAT.
10:54:49 BUT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
10:54:53 SPECIFICALLY HERE ON THE COOPER CASE AS RELATED TO (4)
10:54:58 ARE WE AT RISK OF A MISDEMEANOR IN PURSUING ANY OF THIS
10:55:01 AS THE PBA ATTORNEY SAID?
10:55:03 >> IT'S OUR POSITION THAT WE ARE NOT, AND THAT THE CRB --
10:55:14 IT'S NOT CONFIDENTIAL THAT SOMEONE HAS MADE A COMPLAINT
10:55:17 WHEN THE NEWS MEDIA REPORTS THAT SOMEBODY HAS OPENED AN
10:55:22 INVESTIGATION OR THAT THEY HAVE MADE A COMPLAINT.
10:55:24 THAT PERSON BY THE VERY NATURE -- I NEED TO GET FAMILIAR
10:55:34 WITH THE COOPER CASE, BUT I DIDN'T FIND A SINGLE CASE OF
10:55:37 ANYONE EVER BEING PROSECUTED UNDER 112-533 SUBSECTION 4.
10:55:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
10:55:45 THE COOPER CASE WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE PROSECUTION OF THE
10:55:49 GENTLEMAN IN KEY WEST WHO WAS PROSECUTED AND THE COURT
10:55:55 STRUCK IT.
10:55:55 BUT LISTEN, I'M ONLY ALLOWED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SO
10:56:00 LET ME MOVE ON TO MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND I GUESS I THINK
10:56:09 IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THE RICHARDSON DESCRIBED
10:56:14 THIS ORDINANCE AS, QUOTE, YOUR ORDINANCE.
10:56:17 THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO.
10:56:19 AND I KNOW WHAT SHE MEANT.
10:56:21 IT'S REALLY THE CITY'S ORDINANCE, THAT THE CITIZENS IN
10:56:25 THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT IN REALITY,
10:56:29 IT'S THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER THE CHARTER
10:56:34 TO AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION THAT BUT I
10:56:43 BELIEVE IT'S A STANDING COMMITTEE, AND AS A STANDING
10:56:47 COMMITTEE, BY ORDINANCE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND IT.
10:56:52 OBVIOUSLY IF WE AMEND IT, THAT WOULD GO TO THE MAYOR, THE
10:56:55 MAYOR HAS THE ABILITY TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT OR TO VETO
10:56:59 THE AMENDMENT.
10:57:00 AND THEN THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US AS A VETO. ANYWAY,
10:57:05 THAT'S ALL DOWN THE ROAD.
10:57:06 I HOPE WE CAN ALL CONTINUE TO GET ALONG AND MAKE
10:57:09 IMPROVEMENTS.
10:57:09 THAT'S JUST ONE ATTORNEY'S OPINION ON THAT, AND MY
10:57:12 OPINION.
10:57:16 LET ME FINISH UP IF YOU WOULD, GINA. LET ME GET TO THE
10:57:19 SUBSTANCE.
10:57:21 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
10:57:24 COUPLE OF VERY MINOR MOTIONS.
10:57:29 AND MOTIONS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, TO DIRECT LEGAL STAFF
10:57:35 TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TO BRING BACK TO US AT A LATER
10:57:37 DATE WHENEVER WE START DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN.
10:57:40 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER OR I CAN
10:57:43 DO THEM SEPARATELY.
10:57:44 BUT BASICALLY, THE FOUR ISSUES THAT MANY RESIDENTS HAVE
10:57:49 WRITTEN TO US AND SPOKEN TO US TODAY, THAT THEY WOULD
10:57:52 LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED THE NEXT TIME WE TALK.
10:57:55 AND I AM NOT SAYING THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO SUPPORT
10:57:57 IT.
10:57:58 I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVEN COUNCIL NEEDS TO SUPPORT THESE
10:58:02 INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.
10:58:03 BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET LEGAL STAFF TO
10:58:07 DRAFT UP SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD SUBSEQUENTLY VOTE ON
10:58:11 DOWN THE ROAD.
10:58:12 MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL LOOK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF
10:58:16 PROCESS ON THAT.
10:58:21 I CAN BUNDLE WITH THEM TOGETHER.
10:58:22 I CAN DO THEM SEPARATELY.
10:58:24 THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.
10:58:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL THE
10:58:27 OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK?
10:58:28 WE HAVE A FEW MORE.
10:58:29 AND THEN AFTER COUNCIL MEMBERS -- SO WE COULD HEAR FROM
10:58:35 EVERYBODY.
10:58:36 BUNDLE THEM?
10:58:38 I DO ASK THAT NO MOTIONS BE MADE TILL AUGUST 6 WHICH IS
10:58:43 AROUND THE CORNER.
10:58:44 I HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME, TO GIVE SUFFICIENT
10:58:48 PUBLIC NOTICE AND WHATNOT, CONSIDERING THE VIRTUAL
10:58:50 CIRCUMSTANCES HERE.
10:58:52 BUT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, LET'S WAIT UNTIL A COUPLE
10:58:55 OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK.
10:58:56 WE'LL CLOSE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE MOTIONS
10:59:00 AT THAT POINT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
10:59:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
10:59:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT IT?
10:59:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
10:59:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH YOUR
10:59:10 MOTION.
10:59:10 NEXT UP IS COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.
10:59:12 THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA FOLLOWED BY VIERA.
10:59:15 AND THEN I WILL TAKE IT AT THE END.
10:59:17 COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS OR
10:59:19 QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?
10:59:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND
10:59:24 I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.
10:59:25 CHIEF DUGAN, IF YOU ARE STILL THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO
10:59:28 THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
10:59:33 FAIR AND IMPARTIAL COMMUNITY WORKSHOP LAST WEDNESDAY THE
10:59:36 22ND.
10:59:37 I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE FACILITATOR.
10:59:42 THE ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT I HAD WAS THAT I WAS EXPECTING
10:59:46 THAT TO BE A PACKED HOUSE FULL OF CONCERNED CITIZENS TO
10:59:52 HEAR ABOUT THE WORKSHOP AND THE NEWS THAT TPD WAS
10:59:58 BRINGING.
10:59:59 I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WERE SO MANY EMPTY SEATS.
11:00:01 I DID SEE MEMBERS FROM THE ACLU THERE, ALSO COMMUNITY
11:00:05 MEMBERS, AND A LOT OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL
11:00:10 THAT WERE THERE.
11:00:11 SO CHIEF, I TRULY THANK YOU FOR THAT INVITATION.
11:00:16 MR. CHAIR, AND -- I'M SORRY, CHIEF, ARE YOU THERE?
11:00:22 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
11:00:28 THANK YOU.
11:00:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE SOME ASKS THAT I
11:00:32 WOULD LIKE.
11:00:33 I WOULD LIKE IN THIS PRESENTATION.
11:00:36 ONE IS A QUALIFICATION FOR ANY NEW CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD
11:00:40 MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BECOME OR INTERESTED IN, AND
11:00:45 THAT IS THAT EACH NEW MEMBER THAT IS BROUGHT ON ALSO GOES
11:00:53 THROUGH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CITIZENS POLICE
11:00:58 ACADEMY.
11:00:59 I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.
11:01:02 AND I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN A THREE-MONTH
11:01:05 PERIOD OF BEING SELECTED FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
11:01:10 THIS BOARD IS ESTABLISHED TO BETTER POLICE RELATIONSHIPS
11:01:15 WITH THE COMMUNITY, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND TO
11:01:18 PROVIDE MUCH MORE TRANSPARENCY.
11:01:23 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION
11:01:29 AND THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED TO THE
11:01:31 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING LIKE I
11:01:33 HAVE, LIKE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE, FOR INSIGHT
11:01:43 INTO WHAT POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND HE HAVE
11:01:46 DAY.
11:01:46 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS OF
11:01:52 THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SELECTED FOR THE REVIEW
11:01:54 BOARD HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED BY TPD AND/OR HAVE LAWSUITS
11:02:01 PENDING AGAINST TPD.
11:02:03 AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.
11:02:05 I FEEL WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.
11:02:07 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME VERY, VERY SOON
11:02:10 AGAIN.
11:02:10 THANK YOU FOR STAFF, MR. CHAIR.
11:02:11 THAT'S ALL AT THIS TIME.
11:02:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:02:14 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:02:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
11:02:18 LIKEWISE TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S
11:02:21 SAYING AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS, AND I HOPE WHAT
11:02:24 HE'S SAYING COMES UP THERE REALITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR
11:02:28 SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SERVE IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT BOARD.
11:02:32 I'M NOT PREPARED AT THIS TIME, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW
11:02:35 EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTIONS ARE GOING TO BE THAT ARE GOING
11:02:38 TO BE PUT ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE
11:02:41 SUBJECT MATTER.
11:02:43 I'M HERE TODAY TO UNDERSTAND, GET MORE INFORMATION OF THE
11:02:46 FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED SO IN THE FUTURE, THE VERY NEAR
11:02:49 FUTURE, I WOULD SAY, I CAN MAKE MY OWN MIND, MY OWN
11:02:53 DECISION OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHETHER
11:02:56 WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT, WHETHER WE WILL OR WON'T, AND
11:02:59 ALL THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.
11:03:01 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS ARE THAT ARE GOING TO BE
11:03:05 VOTED ON TODAY.
11:03:06 BUT IF ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO
11:03:10 DO PRESENTLY, I NEED SOME TIME TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE
11:03:14 RAMIFICATIONS AND ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES ON THIS VERY
11:03:18 IMPORTANT VOTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE TODAY.
11:03:20 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.
11:03:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL MEMBER
11:03:24 MIRANDA.
11:03:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN I WILL WRAP IT UP AND WE'LL GO
11:03:28 TO MOTIONS.
11:03:28 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:03:31 THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WORK IN NAVIGATING
11:03:33 TODAY'S MEETING UNDER ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT
11:03:37 CIRCUMSTANCES.
11:03:37 I THANK MY COLLEAGUES AND EVERYBODY FOR THEIR WORDS THAT
11:03:41 HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY.
11:03:41 I THINK JUST ONE THING THAT I THINK IS WORTH REPEATING
11:03:44 WHICH IS THAT THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS HERE HAVE
11:03:47 NOTHING FROM THIS COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO DO WITH
11:03:49 ATTACKING LAW ENFORCEMENT.
11:03:51 I THINK ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS ABOUT MY FEELINGS FOR
11:03:54 OUR FIRST RESPONDERS INCLUDING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
11:03:57 POLICE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
11:04:00 WE HONEST THAT WORK BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT BEING TROUBLED
11:04:04 OR OUTRAGED OVER WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BY THE POLICE FEELING
11:04:09 THERE'S A NEED FOR CHANGE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
11:04:11 THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANTI-POLICE.
11:04:13 WE NEED BODY CAMERAS, WHICH THIS COUNCIL HAS VOTED ON.
11:04:18 WE NEED TRAINING WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, IN
11:04:21 COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND CIVILIAN BOARDS.
11:04:25 THESE ARE THINGS THAT IN MY OPINION, 21st CENTURY
11:04:28 COMMUNITY WOULD NEED.
11:04:30 IN TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND ALL THE
11:04:34 DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING FORWARD, TALK TO
11:04:36 THE ADMINISTRATION, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT
11:04:41 SIDE, JUST SOME BASIC IDEAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
11:04:44 GOING FORWARD.
11:04:44 FIRST, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MENTION ON UPDATES TO COUNCIL.
11:04:48 WE GET A REPORT FROM THE CRB.
11:04:53 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BEING DONE.
11:04:58 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT OWN AN ANNUAL
11:05:01 BASIS, BY CRB MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE CHAIR WITH, A
11:05:05 SUMMARY OF STATUS OF HEARINGS, PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS,
11:05:10 CHANGES BY THE MEMBERS, AND A REPORT THAT COULD BE SIGNED
11:05:15 BY ALL MEMBERS OF THE CRB WITH DISSENTING OPINIONS
11:05:19 INCLUDED, LIKE YOU SEE IN COURT CASES.
11:05:21 NOW WHY DO I WANT THAT?
11:05:23 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST HEAR FROM A MAJORITY OF THE
11:05:25 CRB.
11:05:26 I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CRB.
11:05:30 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
11:05:32 ALSO, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE INFORMED FULLY
11:05:37 FROM FIRST-HAND STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS.
11:05:40 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN BUTT
11:05:44 THIS IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FROM
11:05:47 MEMBERS TO COMMIT TO GOING LIVE WHENEVER WE CAN OF COURSE
11:05:51 TO AT LEAST ONE CRB MEETING A YEAR IN PERSON.
11:05:56 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR
11:05:59 US.
11:06:01 I THINK THAT THE GENERAL PRINCIPLE, I CERTAINLY THINK
11:06:04 THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
11:06:06 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE CONTINUED COMMUNITY MEETINGS BY
11:06:09 THE CRB, FOUR TOWN HALLS A YEAR IN EACH DISTRICT, AND ALL
11:06:16 FOUR OF THE DISTRICTS, ALL FOUR PARTS OF THE CITY OF
11:06:18 TAMPA TO GET COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
11:06:20 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
11:06:23 THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE
11:06:26 NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN THERE'S SOME DISPUTE.
11:06:30 I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THE CHARTER AND
11:06:34 THE CRB.
11:06:35 I COULD BE CORRECTED ON THIS BUT I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN
11:06:37 BOARDS HAVE HAD ATTORNEYS WHO ARE PAID BY THE HOUR.
11:06:44 WE HAD AN ATTORNEY WHO I ASSUME WAS PAID BY THE HOUR FOR
11:06:52 HIS WORK.
11:06:53 I THINK FOR A BOARD LIKE THIS, MOVING TOWARDS THAT, WITH
11:06:57 SAFEGUARDS, SOMETHING TO THE NATURE -- 10, 15 HOURS A
11:07:04 MONTH, YOU MUST GET CONSENT FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:07:07 SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE THIS BOARD HAS THEIR OWN
11:07:10 SEPARATE ATTORNEY.
11:07:11 I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT, AND I
11:07:14 THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT.
11:07:16 I DON'T WANT TO SAY MINIMAL COSTS, BUT I THINK THOSE
11:07:20 COSTS WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORTH IT ON PRINCIPLE FOR THIS
11:07:24 BOARD.
11:07:25 THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT GOING FORTH WITH REGARDS TO THE
11:07:28 VOTES, WHO APPOINTS WHO.
11:07:31 WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
11:07:33 I CERTAINLY HAVE NO OBJECTION WITH THE MAJORITY COMING
11:07:37 FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
11:07:38 I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
11:07:40 THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE
11:07:42 THAT ARE -- BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS
11:07:49 APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR OR BY THE COUNCIL MEANS THAT THEY
11:07:52 ARE GOING TO HAVE FIDELITY TO A CERTAIN PERSON OR A
11:07:56 CERTAIN BODY.
11:07:58 I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE.
11:08:03 HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT WE GET THERE FOR ME IS OF
11:08:09 CRITICAL IMPORTANCE, IF WE GET THERE, IS OF CRITICAL
11:08:11 IMPORTANCE.
11:08:12 I KNOW WE ALL KNOW MANY OF THE MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON THE
11:08:15 CRB, THE LAST THING THAT I WANT IS FOR SOMEBODY TO BE
11:08:21 CEREMONIOUSLY AND WITH MY OPINION GREAT DISRESPECT
11:08:24 POTENTIALLY KICKED OFF THE CRB THROUGH SOME SORT OF A
11:08:28 MANDATE APPOINTMENT.
11:08:29 I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT. IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROUTE,
11:08:33 IT'S RIGHT NOW 5-4.
11:08:36 I THINK I AM THAT A VERY SIMPLE PLACE TO DO IT WOULD BE
11:08:40 NEXT TIME THAT THERE IS AN APPOINTEE WHO IS A MAYORAL
11:08:45 APPOINTEE AND HE OR SHE WISHES FOR THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD
11:08:51 TRANSFER TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
11:08:52 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY IN WHICH WE CAN GIVE SOME
11:08:56 DEFERENCE, BUT WITH RESPECT, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES.
11:09:00 I HEARD ABOUT HAVING ONE APPOINTMENT TO GO TO EITHER USF
11:09:06 OR UT.
11:09:07 AND BECAUSE I'M ATTORNEY, I THINK MAYBE SOMEONE FROM OUR
11:09:14 BAR ASSOCIATION.
11:09:14 I THINK SOMEONE WHO COULD GIVE US A LOT OF GUIDANCE ON
11:09:20 THAT.
11:09:20 I SAY THAT BECAUSE, I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS STATION, OUT
11:09:28 THERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYBODY, JUST SOMETHING
11:09:30 THAT I THOUGHT OF, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS SPOKEN OF WITH
11:09:34 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YESTERDAY AS WELL WAS, YOU
11:09:37 KNOW, WE HAVE A COLLEGE OF LAW, MAYBE WORKING WITH
11:09:44 STETSON FOR SOME SORT OF PROGRAM FOR COMPLAINTS THAT COME
11:09:48 TO THE CRB.
11:09:53 I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THAT IDEA, BY THE WAY.
11:09:55 IT'S SOMETHING SOMEBODY SAID.
11:09:57 BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WE SHOULD EXPLORE.
11:09:59 AGAIN THESE ARE ALL IDEAS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE.
11:10:02 SOME IDEAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE EXPLORING.
11:10:04 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
11:10:07 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WORKABLE PROCESS.
11:10:09 AND COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY
11:10:12 ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT HAS RESPECT FOR ALL THE PARTIES AT
11:10:15 THE TABLE, AND GOD WILLING, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL BE
11:10:18 VERY PROUD OF EVERYBODY.
11:10:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:10:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:10:25 I BELIEVE WE HEARD FROM ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS BRIEFLY.
11:10:28 I'LL WRAP IT UP.
11:10:29 I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE, POLICE OFFICER, FOR
11:10:36 THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NOT IN THIS COUNTY BUT FOR DECADE,
11:10:40 AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHY WHEN MY FATHER STARTED IN
11:10:43 1960, THEY WERE REFERRING TO PEACE OFFICERS AND NOW IT'S
11:10:46 ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
11:10:48 I KNOW IT SOUNDED ANTIQUATED, FROM THE 1800S TO 1960,
11:10:53 GOING BACK TO THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW AND WHATNOT, PEACE
11:10:56 OFFICERS.
11:10:57 BUT I LIKE THE TERM.
11:10:59 BECAUSE WHEN I WAS -- IF I NEED HELP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A
11:11:06 POLICE OFFICER THERE.
11:11:07 IF I'M IN DANGER, THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER.
11:11:10 THAT'S MY RELATIONSHIP.
11:11:12 AND NOT EVERYBODY FEELS THAT WAY.
11:11:19 BUT PERHAPS WE CAN GO BACK TO PEACE OFFICER, WHATEVER.
11:11:27 I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE IMAGE AND WHATNOT.
11:11:32 BUT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I SAID EARLIER IN REGARDS TO
11:11:35 APPOINTMENT OF THIS BOARD, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS
11:11:39 HAVING BEEN APPOINTED, FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THE REST
11:11:43 FROM THE MAYOR, I SEE NO HARM, NO FOUL IN THAT, BECAUSE
11:11:48 WE ARE ELECTED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.
11:11:50 YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY, SOME OF US ARE CITY-WIDE, SOME OF
11:11:55 US ARE DISTRICT-SPECIFIC.
11:11:56 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE
11:11:59 OF THIS COMMUNITY, THE SAME ONES THAT VOTE FOR THE MAYOR
11:12:03 AND WHATNOT.
11:12:04 SO MR. DINGFELDER IS GOING TO BRING UP WHATEVER MOTIONS
11:12:10 ARE GOING TO BE MADE BUD WE DO INCLUDE THAT CITY COUNCIL
11:12:12 MEMBERS HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT EACH, THE MAYOR HAS THE
11:12:16 POWER TO APPOINT THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
11:12:21 THAT MAINTAINS THE POLICY, WE ARE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF
11:12:27 GOVERNMENT.
11:12:30 IT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY I WOULD SUPPORT TO GO WITH THAT.
11:12:35 AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
11:12:36 I WILL SEE WHAT MOTIONS ARE MADE.
11:12:42 BEFORE WE GO TO MOTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF
11:12:45 OR LEGAL AFTER HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE LEGAL
11:12:48 DEPARTMENT STAFF.
11:12:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, POINT OF PRIVILEGE.
11:12:58 I JUST WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.
11:13:00 I KNOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO COMPROMISE ON A LOT OF
11:13:04 ISSUES.
11:13:04 SO I AM HOPING THIS IS A WORKSHOP, THAT IN THE NECESSARY
11:13:08 FOUGHT WE'LL BE ABLE, WITH STAFF, AND THE LEGAL TEAM, THE
11:13:12 PBA, THE FOLKS THAT THE TAMPA JUSTICE ORGANIZATION, CAN
11:13:17 SIT DOWN AND MAYBE START COMING TO SOME COMPROMISES ON
11:13:21 SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON THE TABLE SO WE WALK AWAY WHERE
11:13:25 EVERYONE FEELS WE ARE MAKING EFFORT, WHICH I THINK WE
11:13:27 ARE.
11:13:27 SO I WILL WAIT FOR MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.
11:13:30 BUT IF THAT ISN'T ON THE TABLE I WOULD ASK STAFF TO MEET
11:13:34 WITH ALL PARTIES COLLECTIVELY AND COME BACK AND DO WHAT
11:13:37 WE NEED FOR THE CITIZENS.
11:13:40 THANK YOU.
11:13:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:13:43 LEGAL DEPARTMENT, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO ANY
11:13:45 COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE WE GO TO
11:13:50 MOTIONS?
11:13:53 >>GINA GRIMES: CITY ATTORNEY.
11:13:55 AS TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' LAST SUGGESTION, WE HAVE MET
11:14:01 SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE ACLU.
11:14:05 WE ARE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE PBA.
11:14:07 WE REACHED OUT TO THEM YESTERDAY WHEN THEY SENT THE
11:14:10 LETTER TO MR. SHELBY.
11:14:11 BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO TOUCH BASE WITH BOTH OF THOSE
11:14:13 ORGANIZATIONS AGAIN AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER
11:14:16 COLLABORATIVELY.
11:14:18 AND I DO HAVE OTHER PARTS OF THE PRESENTATION THAT ARE
11:14:23 LEGAL IN NATURE, THAT I KNOW WE HAVE TAKEN UP ENOUGH OF
11:14:27 YOUR TIME THIS MORNING, AND I CERTAINLY CAN ADDRESS THOSE
11:14:30 WHEN WE COME BACK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER.
11:14:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:14:35 SOUND GOOD.
11:14:37 WE WILL GO TO MOTIONS.
11:14:39 I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:14:41 I WILL START WITH YOU.
11:14:42 YOU HAVE SOME MOTIONS.
11:14:43 IF YOU COULD BUNDLE THEM INTO ONE MOTION IF POSSIBLE.
11:14:48 REMEMBER -- IN SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN GIVE STAFF TIME TO
11:14:56 RESPOND, HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE AND WHATNOT.
11:14:58 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION AT THIS TIME,
11:15:00 THEN I WILL GO DOWN THE LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:15:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
11:15:04 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:15:05 AND THANKS TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME GREAT
11:15:11 COMMENTS, SOME GREAT THOUGHTS.
11:15:12 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO RESPOND
11:15:15 WITH ANY MOTION I MAKE TODAY IS NOT A MOTION TO AMEND THE
11:15:19 ORDINANCE BY ANY MEANS.
11:15:20 IT'S JUST A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK TO US
11:15:24 WITH ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.
11:15:26 SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
11:15:30 BEFORE I GIVE MY MOTION, REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IN
11:15:32 THE COOPER DECISION, YOU CAME ACROSS AN AMAZING QUOTE AND
11:15:37 I KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA LOVES QUOTES, AND IN THE DECISION
11:15:43 IT SAYS, QUOTE, IN A FREE SOCIETY, THE PUBLIC'S TRUST AND
11:15:49 AN OFFICIAL'S REPUTATION IS WON BY GREATER TRANSPARENCY,
11:15:53 NOT -- OF CRITICISM.
11:15:57 I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL STATEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE A
11:16:00 TRANSPARENT SOCIETY AND WE NEED TO BE EVEN MORE
11:16:02 TRANSPARENT.
11:16:03 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THESE CITIZEN BOARDS ARE ALL
11:16:06 ABOUT, IS TRANSPARENCY.
11:16:08 WITH THAT, I WILL TRY AND BUNDLE THE MOTION AND ALSO TO
11:16:12 REFLECT SOME OF COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.
11:16:15 CONSISTENT -- HERE IS MY MOTION.
11:16:18 NUMBER ONE.
11:16:19 CONSISTENT WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN
11:16:23 VIERA'S COMMENTS, MY MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE DRAFTING OF
11:16:29 LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH A MAJORITY
11:16:35 OF THE SEATS ON THE FUTURE CRB.
11:16:38 AND MR. VIERA, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT HAS TO BE BASED
11:16:44 IN PERHAPS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, SO PEOPLE AREN'T
11:16:47 INSULTED OR HUMILIATED.
11:16:50 I WILL LET LEGAL FIGURE OUT THOSE DETAILS.
11:16:52 BUT THE GIST OF THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS
11:16:54 FROM THE CRB WOULD BE FROM CITY COUNCIL.
11:17:00 I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CITIZENS HOP SPOKE.
11:17:04 IT SEEMS TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BODY, AND IT'S NOT REALLY
11:17:08 INDEPENDENT IF ANY MAYOR, ANY MAYOR, IS THE ONE MAKING A
11:17:11 MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:17:16 SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF MY MOTION.
11:17:18 THE SECOND PART OF MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD SOME LEVEL
11:17:24 OF SUBPOENA POWER TO THE CRB. AND LANGUAGE ACCORDINGLY.
11:17:29 I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD ABUSE IT.
11:17:33 CITY COUNCIL HAS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAS NEVER USED IT.
11:17:37 AT LEAST IN MY LIFETIME.
11:17:40 AND I BELIEVE AS MORE OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE TO, JUST THE
11:17:47 FACT THAT THEY HAVE IT MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE MORE WILLING TO
11:17:50 COME FORWARD, AND DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.
11:17:53 NOW, IT'S NOT SUBPOENA POWER TO SUBPOENA THE OFFICER WHO
11:17:56 IS BEING COMPLAINED AGAINST.
11:17:59 IT'S SUBPOENA POWER FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
11:18:05 MY NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST -- AND THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE --
11:18:08 IS INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
11:18:12 WE SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ALL SORTS OF
11:18:15 POLICE MATTERS, WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS
11:18:18 COMMUNITY AND TO ME.
11:18:19 IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT.
11:18:21 IT'S IMPORTANT MONEY.
11:18:22 BUT WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY GIVING THIS BODY
11:18:27 INDEPENDENT LEGAL COUNSEL.
11:18:30 AND MY FOURTH POINT IS INDEPENDENT STAFF.
11:18:35 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME WHEN I READ THE
11:18:38 ORDINANCE AND EVEN THE REVISED ORDINANCE AS COMPOSED BY
11:18:42 MS. GRIMES -- I MEAN, NOT MS. GRIMES BUT THE
11:18:45 ADMINISTRATION THROUGH MS. GRIMES, IS THE FACT THAT I
11:18:48 KEPT READING ABOUT THE FACT THAT A CAPTAIN SETS THE
11:18:51 AGENDA, THAT A CAPTAIN WRITES THE REPORT, THAT A TPD
11:18:55 POLICE CAPTAIN IS CONTROLLING THIS BODY.
11:18:58 AND I KIND OF FOUND THAT REALLY WEIRD BECAUSE IT'S NOT --
11:19:04 SO AGAIN, THIRD, THAT WE FIND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN
11:19:08 THE BUDGET, MAYBE $50,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO HIRE
11:19:12 SOME PART-TIME STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CRB
11:19:20 AND HAVE SOME INDEPENDENT STAFF.
11:19:23 SO MY MOTION, THE FOURTH PART BUNDLED INTO ONE MOTION
11:19:28 UNLESS PEOPLE WANT TO SPLIT IT APART, A AND THIS WOULD BE
11:19:31 RELATE IT TO THE APPOINTMENTS, INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, AND
11:19:35 THE INDEPENDENT STAFF.
11:19:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:19:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BEFORE I ASK
11:19:40 FOR A SOAKED, IF THERE IS A SECOND, I AM LOOKING AT THE
11:19:43 CALENDAR HERE, AND I AM LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER.
11:19:52 SEPTEMBER 3rd IS A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
11:19:55 WE ALSO HAVE --
11:19:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE DO WE HAVE A
11:20:03 WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER?
11:20:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 24 AT
11:20:08 9:00 A.M.
11:20:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD COUNCIL LIKE TO ADDRESS AGAIN
11:20:14 IN A WORKSHOP EITHER IN AUGUST, MAYBE IN AUGUST OR
11:20:17 SEPTEMBER, AND THEN WHENEVER WE HAVE TO REVISE THE
11:20:24 ORDINANCE AT A LATER DATE?
11:20:25 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SUPER EMERGENCY BUT I THINK TO
11:20:28 KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING.
11:20:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK -- COUNCILMAN GUDES, GO
11:20:35 AHEAD.
11:20:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ON THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER, IF I CAN
11:20:39 GET AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, SIR.
11:20:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:20:44 WHAT IS THE AMENDMENT?
11:20:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS IT RELATES TO THE HIRING POLICY OF
11:20:49 THE CITY, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE
11:20:57 COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT, IN THE HIRING PROCESS.
11:21:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, HOW DO YOU
11:21:11 FEEL ON THAT AMENDMENT?
11:21:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T BELIEVE -- I KNOW -- I DON'T
11:21:27 KNOW.
11:21:28 MAYBE I NEED SOME ADVICE FROM MS. GRIMES.
11:21:31 AND THEY HAVE INCLUDED SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM THE CRB
11:21:35 IN THE HIRING PROCESS.
11:21:37 I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIRECT THE
11:21:42 ADMINISTRATION OTHERWISE, OR ARE YOU SAYING WE NEED TO
11:21:45 INCLUDE THAT IN THE CRB ORDINANCE?
11:21:49 MR. GUDES?
11:22:01 >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY LEADERS PUT ON THAT
11:22:06 HIRING FREEZE. AND THAT WAS THE REASON I MADE THE
11:22:06 MOTION.
11:22:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY MOTION.
11:22:17 >>GINA GRIMES: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, COUNCILMAN GUDES,
11:22:23 AN IMPORTANT ISSUE WAS JUST RAISED.
11:22:26 ON THAT NOTE, BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WITH RESPECT TO
11:22:32 THE HIRING OF OFFICERS, WHICH AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
11:22:36 ALLUDED TO IS STRICTLY WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE
11:22:39 ADMINISTRATION, OF THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF POLICE.
11:22:43 BUT -- AND I DIDN'T GET TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE UNDERLYING
11:22:48 LEGAL ISSUES THAT ARE BEING TOUCHED UPON, AND DEALING
11:22:52 WITH THE WAY THE CRB WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED, AND THE WAY
11:22:57 IT'S STRUCTURED AND THE WAY CHANGES TO THE CRB ORDINANCE
11:23:03 HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN.
11:23:11 AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT TODAY.
11:23:13 BUT THERE ARE MANY LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE
11:23:17 STRUCTURE OF THE CRB AND HOW CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE GOING
11:23:21 FORWARD.
11:23:21 WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO CONSIDER ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK
11:23:23 IN THESE FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US,
11:23:26 INCLUDING THE HIRING, AND DISCUSS THEM, AND THEN WE CAN
11:23:30 REPORT BACK TO YOU.
11:23:32 I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN COME BACK AT THE WORKSHOP IN
11:23:35 SEPTEMBER.
11:23:35 KEEP IN MIND, YOU WANT TO US MEET WITH THESE OTHER GROUPS
11:23:39 TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE WITH CERTAIN
11:23:44 REVISIONS AND REDRAFT IT AND YOU'RE CHANGES AND BRING IT
11:23:48 BACK.
11:23:49 SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE I'M SURE AT LEAST TO THE END OF
11:23:51 SEPTEMBER TO GET THAT COMPLETED.
11:23:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:23:59 MS. GRIMES, ANOTHER THING, I'M SAYING THE BOARD MADE UP
11:24:12 IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CHIEF FOR HIRING.
11:24:15 IS THAT CORRECT?
11:24:16 >>GINA GRIMES: WHAT THE CHIEF HAD PROPOSED, AND THIS IS
11:24:19 ONE OF THE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS, IS RATHER THAN THE HIRING
11:24:21 PROCESS BEING HANDLED INTERNALLY, THROUGH HIS STAFF
11:24:26 MEMBERS, THAT HE WOULD IMPANEL A HIRING PANEL WHO WOULD
11:24:29 EVALUATE THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, AND OF
11:24:32 COURSE A LOT OF THEM AS YOU WELL KNOW ARE TO TRY WITH
11:24:38 OTHER NUMEROUS STANDARD AND SO LIKE THE HIRING PANEL, A
11:24:42 LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED, BUT HE'S SUGGESTING
11:24:47 THAT RATHER THAN THE HIRING DECISIONS BE MADE BY THE
11:24:50 STAFF, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WITH HIM, THAT HE ALSO GET
11:24:53 FEEDBACK ON THAT FROM HIS HIRING PANEL.
11:24:58 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT HAVING MEMBERS OF
11:25:03 THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WILL
11:25:05 DISCUSS.
11:25:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:25:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WE HAVE
11:25:09 SEPTEMBER 24th, WHICH IS A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
11:25:11 SESSION.
11:25:17 BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT AUGUST 27th, WE HAVE
11:25:28 (DISTORTION) AND REVIEW AND DISCUSS REGULATIONS REGARDING
11:25:33 THE POLICE, IN ADDITION, CITY ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY,
11:25:39 ET CETERA, WOULD BE INVITED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
11:25:44 DO WE STILL NEED THAT OR WE CAN HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS? I
11:25:47 THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS.
11:25:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DISCUSSION,
11:25:51 AND THEN MY MOTION TO ROLL INTO SEPTEMBER --
11:26:00 >>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.
11:26:03 WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES --
11:26:10 (AUDIO CUTS OUT)
11:26:12 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION?
11:26:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I BELIEVE GUDES SECONDED IT.
11:26:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:26:18 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
11:26:21 VIERA.
11:26:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:26:26 GO AHEAD.
11:26:26 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:26:28 I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS.
11:26:30 BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.
11:26:33 PARTICULARLY WITH THE ISSUE OF SUBPOENA POWER.
11:26:40 I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ALL THE OTHER ISSUES IN THE SENSE
11:26:43 THAT WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION, AND I AM FULLY
11:26:47 SUPPORTIVE OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.
11:26:49 I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD THAT CITY COUNCIL CANNOT CREATE
11:26:52 SUBPOENA POWER FOR THIS BOARD OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER OR A
11:26:56 STATE STATUTE AUTHORIZING THAT.
11:26:58 ARE WE ASKING CITY LEGAL TO DRAW UP AN ORDINANCE?
11:27:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS JUST TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AT
11:27:06 A WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER.
11:27:08 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
11:27:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND AT THAT WORKSHOP, WE CAN TWEAK,
11:27:14 WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS IT THERE.
11:27:17 WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR FORMAL CHANGE, OR TO CHANGE THE
11:27:23 ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER.
11:27:24 SO THIS IS INFORMATIONAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAD TODAY,
11:27:29 STAFF REPORT OR WHATEVER, SPECIFIC TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER
11:27:31 DINGFELDER WROTE IN THE MOTION, SEPTEMBER 24, WHICH IS A
11:27:37 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION.
11:27:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:27:43 LET ME CLARIFY BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
11:27:53 I GUESS MY DESIRE IS, WHERE LEGALLY POSSIBLE, THAT LEGAL
11:27:55 STAFF WOULD DRAFT US LANGUAGE FOR US TO CONSIDER THE
11:28:02 LANGUAGE OBTAINED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, TO DRAFT
11:28:07 ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR A FUTURE ORDINANCE, AN AMENDMENT
11:28:11 TO THE FUTURE ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME, AN AMENDMENT TO THE
11:28:16 EXISTING ORDINANCE, THEY COULD DRAFT THAT UP.
11:28:19 HOWEVER, IF THEY CONCLUDE THAT IT'S NOT LEGALLY
11:28:23 POSSIBLE -- AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT OPINION, MR.
11:28:27 VIERA -- BUT IF THEY CONCLUDE IT'S NOT LEGAL, THEN THEY
11:28:31 NEED TO GIVE US A LEGAL MEMORANDUM AS TO WHY SOMETHING IS
11:28:34 NOT LEGALLY POSSIBLE, FOR EXAMPLE, SUBPOENA POWER.
11:28:37 OKAY?
11:28:38 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
11:28:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF THAT'S OKAY, MODIFIED OR CLARIFIED
11:28:45 MY OWN MOTION A LITTLE BIT.
11:28:46 >>LUIS VIERA: SO ARE THE WAY I READ THIS, THIS IS A
11:28:50 REPORT -- CAN I GET SOMEBODY FROM CITY LEGAL?
11:28:54 BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM ON PROPER GROUND
11:28:57 HERE WHEN I MAKE THAT STATEMENT TO OPINE JUST QUICKLY.
11:29:00 I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE RESEARCH IN LOOKING
11:29:03 INTO THIS.
11:29:04 BUT JUST FOR PURPOSES OF GOING FORWARD, CAN WE GET
11:29:07 SOMEONE TO STATE SOMETHING ON THIS ISSUE, MS. GRIMES?
11:29:13 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
11:29:13 ACTUALLY, THERE WERE THREE LEGAL ISSUES THAT WE HAD
11:29:15 INTENDED TO ADDRESS.
11:29:17 ONE DEALT WITH THE WAY THE CRB WAS CREATED AND STRUCTURED
11:29:21 AND HOW IT'S LIMITED THROUGH THIS COMBINATION OF AN
11:29:25 EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND A CITY CODE.
11:29:29 THE SECOND LEGAL ISSUE WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS WAS THE
11:29:32 SUBPOENA POWERS.
11:29:33 AND THE THIRD HAD TO DO WITH INVESTIGATIVE POWER.
11:29:36 AND ALSO, WE DID PLAN TO ALSO ADDRESS THE TBA'S ISSUES
11:29:43 THAT THEY HAD RAISED.
11:29:44 BUT WITH RESPECT TO SUBPOENA POWER, IT'S OUR POSITION
11:29:48 THAT THAT CAN ONLY BE GRANTED BY STATUTE, OR THROUGH THE
11:29:52 CHARTER.
11:29:53 AND WE WANT CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT YOU,
11:29:58 AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, HAVE ONLY LIMITED SUBPOENA POWER
11:30:05 AND IT'S EXPRESSED AND PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER THAT YOU
11:30:07 MAY ONLY EXERCISE YOUR SUBPOENA POWER WHEN YOU ARE
11:30:10 EXERCISING LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY IN CONDUCTING AN
11:30:13 INVESTIGATION.
11:30:14 YOU HAVE THE POURER THEN TO COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF
11:30:17 WITNESSES THROUGH SUBPOENA.
11:30:18 SO YOU YOURSELF AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HAVE LIMITED
11:30:22 SUBPOENA POWER.
11:30:24 SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, DOES IT FROM A COMMON SENSE
11:30:28 STANDPOINT, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO SIMPLY GRANT TO
11:30:33 THE CRB BROAD SUBPOENA POWERS FOR WITNESSES AT THEIR
11:30:39 HEARING.
11:30:39 YOU YOURSELF DON'T HAVE IT, SO HOW COULD YOU IN FACT
11:30:43 DELEGATE IT TO ANOTHER BODY?
11:30:47 YOUR CHARTER DID NOT PROVIDE OR ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO
11:30:50 DELEGATE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER THE CHARTER.
11:30:52 WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE CASES THAT WE CAN CITE TO, I
11:30:57 CAN PROVIDE ALL OF THIS IN A LEGAL MEMORANDUM.
11:30:59 BUT IN ORDER FOR THE CRB TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER, IT WOULD
11:31:04 HAVE TO BE EXPRESSLY PROVIDED FOR THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO
11:31:06 THE CHARTER, AND JUST BY WAY OF INFORMATION, I KNOW THAT
11:31:12 TAMPA FOR JUSTICE AND THE ACLU KNOW THIS AND IN FACT HAVE
11:31:19 ACKNOWLEDGED IT BECAUSE BACK IN 2016, THEY PROPOSED A
11:31:23 CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THE TAMPA CHARTER TO DO JUST THAT,
11:31:27 TO CREATE A CITIZENS INVESTIGATIVE PANEL THAT WOULD HAVE
11:31:32 SUBPOENA POWER.
11:31:33 SO BY SUBMISSION OF THEIR OWN CHARTER AMENDMENT, THEY
11:31:37 ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT TAKES A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO GRANT
11:31:40 SUBPOENA POWER TO THE CRB, OR TO A CITIZEN INVESTIGATIVE
11:31:44 PANEL.
11:31:46 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?
11:31:50 THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE THE LAST MAYOR
11:31:53 WAS FAITHING THEM AND HIRED AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO TRY TO
11:31:56 HAVE A CHARTER -- AND IT WAS AN END AROUND THE LAST MAYOR
11:32:02 TO BUTTRESS THEIR POSITION.
11:32:05 AND WE CAN ALL SORT THIS OUT WITH ALL THE LAWYERS TALKING
11:32:08 BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND DISCUSS
11:32:11 THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
11:32:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS VIERA, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:32:20 THANK YOU.
11:32:20 I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD.
11:32:23 IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT
11:32:25 MEETING AND WE CARRY IT FORWARD UNDER THE REPORT?
11:32:29 I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
11:32:30 BUT IN TERMS OF FURTHER DISCUSSION, I DON'T THINK
11:32:36 DISCUSSION HURTS ANYBODY, BUT IF I DON'T KNOW IF
11:32:40 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THIS, BUT TWO
11:32:44 VERY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
11:32:45 MAY I MAKE THAT, MR. CHAIR?
11:32:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
11:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA: VERY FRIENDLY.
11:32:53 THE FIRST ONES.
11:32:54 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:32:55 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE THE PROPER FORUM FOR THAT.
11:32:59 NUMBER ONE IS TO PROVIDE TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
11:33:04 I DON'T KNOW THE TIME IT WAS PUT IN THEREIN FROM THE CRB,
11:33:08 JUST FROM A REPORT ON THAT, AND THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE
11:33:13 PROSPECTIVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.
11:33:14 AND THEN FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS BUILT CRB, I DON'T
11:33:18 KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THAT
11:33:20 BUT IT COULD BE UNDER THE IDEA OF CARRYING IT FORWARD FOR
11:33:23 FORMAL DISCUSSION.
11:33:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. VIERA, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I
11:33:28 COULD.
11:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:33:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:33:32 MR. VIERA, I DEFINITELY ACCEPT BOTH OF THOSE VERY
11:33:36 FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
11:33:37 THE FIRST ONE I ACTUALLY PROPOSED A FEW WEEKS AGO TO MS.
11:33:42 GRIMES, AND I THINK THE SECOND ONE MS. RICHARDSON ALLUDED
11:33:49 TO IN HER DRAFT.
11:33:51 I THINK THEY ARE BOTH GREAT SUGGESTIONS, AND I ACCEPT
11:33:54 THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY AS LONG AS MR. GUDES DOES AS WELL.
11:33:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. GUDES, ARE THOSE AMENDMENTS FINE
11:34:02 WITH YOU?
11:34:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE.
11:34:12 AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY STATEMENT, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE
11:34:16 THE ACTUAL FACTS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ONE SIDE
11:34:21 SAYING ONE THING AND ANOTHER SIDE IS SAYING SOMETHING,
11:34:28 AND WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
11:34:29 THAT WAY WE ARE NOT GETTING ALL TYPES OF LEGAL FEES AND
11:34:33 GETTING MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR LEGAL FEES, AND NOT
11:34:39 HAVING ANY MONEY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
11:34:42 SO I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, AND COME BACK
11:34:46 AND GIVE US THE ACTUAL FACT OF HOW THEY DERIVED, AND
11:34:50 THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO MEET
11:34:54 TOGETHER AND SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.
11:35:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANKS VERY MUCH.
11:35:02 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER WITH
11:35:06 AMENDMENTS FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:35:10 THIS IS FOR SEPTEMBER 24th AT OUR WORKSHOP SESSION AT
11:35:20 9 A.M.
11:35:21 SECOND BY MR. GUDES.
11:35:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:35:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
11:35:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS I STATED EARLIER -- AND I KNOW
11:35:28 THAT THE HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT 2 BROUGHT UP
11:35:34 THE FOUR ITEMS THAT HE WISHED TO SPEAK ON, AND MY
11:35:37 CONTENTION IS, I SAID EARLIER I WAS NOT PREPARED TO VOTE
11:35:40 UNTIL I GOT ALL THE INFORMATION AND SAT ON IT FOR A
11:35:42 LITTLE BIT AND I APPRECIATE SEPTEMBER 24th.
11:35:45 HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I VOTE THAT THE FOUR
11:35:47 ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AREN'T ASKING THE LEGAL
11:35:52 DEPARTMENT TO BRING THEM UP AND SPEAK ON THEM OR ARE YOU
11:35:55 ASKING THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BE PREPARED FOR AN
11:35:57 ORDINANCE FOR SEPTEMBER 24th?
11:35:58 ONE WAY I VOTE YES.
11:36:00 THE OTHER WAY I WOULD VOTE NO.
11:36:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU CAN
11:36:04 CLARIFY. THIS IS INFORMATIONAL?
11:36:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL, BUT JUST
11:36:09 AS THEY HAVE DRAFTED THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL, I
11:36:12 WOULD LIKE THEM TO PROVIDE US A RED-LINE VERSION THAT
11:36:16 INCLUDES THESE ITEMS IN THE FORM OF A VERY, VERY DRAFT
11:36:21 MOTION.
11:36:22 BUT THEN, SEPTEMBER 24th, IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP.
11:36:25 WE CAN'T EVEN VOTE ON ANY ORDINANCES AT A WORKSHOP.
11:36:31 SO THERE'S NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
11:36:34 BUT JUST SO WE MOVE THIS PROCESS ALONG, AND GET THINGS IN
11:36:38 WRITING, THAT ULTIMATELY WE COULD VOTE ON, SEPTEMBER
11:36:43 24th, I THINK THAT LEGAL STAFF, MY MOTION IS THAT
11:36:46 LEGAL STAFF JUST DRAFT THESE AS POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO
11:36:50 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
11:36:54 AND LIKE I SAID, AND WHERE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE US THE
11:36:57 LEGAL MEMORANDUM, I THINK LEGALLY WE CAN'T.
11:37:02 SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF MY MOTION, MR. MIRANDA.
11:37:05 I HOPE I CLARIFIED IT.
11:37:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY ASK THIS.
11:37:11 ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUBPOENA POWER, INDEPENDENT
11:37:14 COUNSEL, INDEPENDENT STAFF, AND HIRING OF OFFICERS?
11:37:20 I THOUGHT THESE WERE THE FOUR THAT WERE GOING TO BE
11:37:22 BUNDLED UP ON SEPTEMBER 24th.
11:37:25 ARE WE GOING TO SPEAK JUST ON THESE FOUR ITEMS REGARDING
11:37:27 THE MAKEUP OF THE CRB BOARD AND HOW THE PERFORMANCE WILL
11:37:32 BE BASED ON THESE FOUR ITEMS, ADDING TO THEM?
11:37:36 AND IS IT GOING TO COME UP IN ANY WAY BEFORE IT GETS TO
11:37:39 SEPTEMBER 24th WITH ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE THAT'S
11:37:43 BEING PREPARED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEN I WOULD VOTE
11:37:46 NO.
11:37:46 IF IT'S SEPTEMBER 24th AND ONLY BECAUSE I AM NOT
11:37:50 SUGGESTING ALL FOUR OF THEM AT ONCE AND I WANT TO GET
11:37:53 MORE INFORMATION FOR MYSELF SO I CAN BE MUCH BETTER
11:37:56 PREPARED THAN I AM TODAY.
11:38:00 AND SEPTEMBER 24th, MAKE SURE HE'S THE ARE THE FOUR
11:38:03 ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DIGEST THEM AND
11:38:07 SEE WHICH ONES WE ARE GOING TO GET, ONE, TWO, THREE,
11:38:10 FOUR, ONE WOULD PASS, TWO WOULD PASS, WHATEVER.
11:38:13 BUTT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
11:38:15 BUNDLE THIS AND SAY FUTURE ORDINANCE, THEN I WILL VOTE
11:38:18 NO.
11:38:18 THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.
11:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION,
11:38:26 THERE WERE FOUR AND COUNCILMAN GUDES ADDED THE FIFTH.
11:38:28 AND MR. VIERA ADDED THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH.
11:38:32 SO I THINK BY MY COUNT I THINK THERE'S SEVEN.
11:38:38 >>GINA GRIMES: YES, WE HAVE SEVEN ALSO, MR. DINGFELDER.
11:38:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
11:38:43 >>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL GO TO A VOTE.
11:38:46 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
11:38:52 AND I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIR OF THE JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
11:38:54 MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE
11:38:57 I VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE ARE NOT ENDORSING ANY OF
11:39:00 THESE ITEMS.
11:39:00 WE ARE MOVING TO PUSH THESE FORWARD FOR A DISCUSSION ON
11:39:06 THESE ISSUES.
11:39:07 THAT'S HOW I AM LOOKING AT THIS.
11:39:09 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HOW IT'S PROPOSED, AND WE ARE
11:39:12 PUSHING IT THE FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION AND THAT WE ARE
11:39:14 NOT, YOU KNOW, ENDORSING THE ITEMS FOR INCLUSION IN AN
11:39:18 ORDINANCE.
11:39:18 WE ARE PUSHING THIS FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION IN A WORKSHOP.
11:39:23 THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
11:39:26 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:39:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:39:29 DINGFELDER.
11:39:29 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:39:32 COUNCILMEN, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.
11:39:35 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:39:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:39:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:39:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCILMAN JUST
11:39:52 SAID IT'S BEING PUSHED FOR DISCUSSION, I WILL VOTE YES.
11:39:55 IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY I VOTE NO BUT I VOTE YES AS I HEARD
11:39:59 IT.
11:40:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:40:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, YES.
11:40:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:40:10 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER
11:40:12 DINGFELDER BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL
11:40:14 MEMBER GUDES SECONDED THE MOTION.
11:40:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:40:18 WE GO TO ITEMS -- BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM 8, I SHOW THAT
11:40:27 AUGUST 22ND, WE HAVE THAT ITEM REGARDS THE CITY OF
11:40:33 ATTORNEY POLICE CHIEF, PBA, TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE
11:40:38 REGULATIONS OF THE POLICE AND WHATNOT.
11:40:40 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE YOU MADE THAT MOTION.
11:40:45 WOULD YOU LET THAT STAND FOR AUGUST 22ND, AND TAKE THIS
11:40:49 MOTION TO SEPTEMBER, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ANY THOUGHTS ON
11:40:53 THAT?
11:40:54 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE ASKING WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE
11:40:55 THEM TO THE SAME DAY?
11:40:57 IS THAT YOUR QUESTION?
11:40:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:40:58 EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT IS VIRTUAL SO FOLKS CAN CALL IN.
11:41:05 BUT DO YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THAT ALL FOR ONE DAY OR HAVE
11:41:09 TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS?
11:41:10 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S FINE WITHIN ME, AS A SEPARATE
11:41:14 DISCUSSION, THAT THE CRB IS A SUBSET OF THE OTHER
11:41:17 DISCUSSION.
11:41:17 I DON'T CARE WHICH DAY IT'S ON, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT.
11:41:20 DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT?
11:41:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IF YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR
11:41:24 THIS ITEM, WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR 9 A.M. WORKSHOP, IF YOU
11:41:28 WANT TO MAKE THAT TO POSTPONE IT TO SEPTEMBER 24th SO
11:41:32 WE CAN HAVE THAT DAY WITH ALL THE SIMILAR DISCUSSION.
11:41:37 >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.
11:41:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:41:40 CARLSON TO BE POSTPONE TO SEPTEMBER 24th.
11:41:44 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:41:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:41:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:41:48 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:41:49 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:41:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:41:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:41:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:42:01 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:42:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:42:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:42:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
11:42:16 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA
11:42:19 SECONDING THE MOTION.
11:42:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:42:21 WE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO ITEM NULL 8.
11:42:24 I BELIEVE THE IMPLICIT BIAS DISCUSSION.
11:42:28 MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:42:31 AND THEN WE HAVE ANDREA ZELMAN WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT
11:42:34 TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.
11:42:36 MS. ZELMAN IS ON THE LINE, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE
11:42:39 THIS.
11:42:40 AND THEN GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA IN ORDER.
11:42:43 GO AHEAD.
11:42:43 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
11:42:48 ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY. WITH ME TODAY TO
11:42:52 SPEAK IF NECESSARY ARE BRETT COLLAR WITH TAMPA POLICE
11:42:59 DEPARTMENT TRAINING UNIT, KELLY AUSTIN, HUMAN RESOURCES,
11:43:06 KAY HUNTER, THE CITY OF TAMPA TRAINING DEVELOPMENT
11:43:08 MANAGER, RACHAEL PETERKIN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WHICH
11:43:17 YOU WERE PROVIDED A DRAFT COPY OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE,
11:43:20 AND DR. LORIE FRIDELL FROM USF WHO I ASKED TO SPEAK AND
11:43:28 YOU WILL HEAR FROM IN A LITTLE BIT.
11:43:30 AGAIN FOR BACKGROUND, THE CITY CHARTER WAS REVISED TO
11:43:33 REQUIRE THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE HARASSMENT
11:43:36 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION IMPLICIT BIAS AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY
11:43:41 TRAINING PROGRAM FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, IN A MANNER
11:43:48 ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE FROM. HERE ON I AM GOING TO
11:43:51 REFER TO THAT TRAINING IN SHORTHAND AS IMPLICIT BIAS
11:43:54 TRAINING.
11:43:54 BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT BY DEFINITION, IN THE ORDINANCE, IN
11:43:57 THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT TRAINING INCLUDES ALL OF THE
11:44:00 OTHER SUBJECT AREAS I JUST LISTED.
11:44:08 WE DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE WITH A GOAL OF THE MANNER IN
11:44:10 WHICH THE TRAINING WILL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED BY THE
11:44:13 CHARTER, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT THE CITY'S
11:44:16 ABILITY TO BE FLUID AND ADAPTABLE AS ISSUES ARISE AND
11:44:21 CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.
11:44:22 SO FOR THAT REASON, THE ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED TO INCLUDE
11:44:27 MINIMUM HOURLY REQUIREMENTS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
11:44:30 THOSE HOURS WILL TYPICALLY BE EXCEEDED.
11:44:34 FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ALL NEW
11:44:38 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS RECEIVE 11 HOURS OF IMPLICIT
11:44:42 BIAS TRAINING AFTER BEING HIRED, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT
11:44:46 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY REQUIRES TRAINING IN
11:44:50 ADDITION TO THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.
11:44:53 THEY ALSO REQUIRE TRAINING IN AWARENESS, THEY DO A
11:45:00 FOUR-HOUR SESSION AT THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, THEY DO
11:45:04 SESSIONS ON PTSD AWARENESS, LGBTQ AWARENESS, MINORITY
11:45:12 BASED TRAINING AND OTHER SUCH TRAINING THAT HAS IMPLICIT
11:45:15 BIAS CULTURAL COMPETENCY, ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, AND
11:45:19 RELATED ISSUES WOVEN THROUGHOUT.
11:45:28 AGAIN WE WANTED TO LEAVE OPEN THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADAPT TO
11:45:33 NEW ISSUES AND NEW AREAS OF SENSITIVITY AS THEY OCCUR.
11:45:37 WE ALSO -- AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES ASKED ABOUT THIS,
11:45:41 THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO SPECIFY IN THE ORDINANCE WHAT
11:45:45 NUMBER OF HOURS WOULD BE IN PERSON RATHER THAN ONLINE OR
11:45:49 IN ANOTHER FORM FORMAT BECAUSE AGAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND
11:45:52 TECHNOLOGY CAN RAPIDLY CHANGE.
11:45:55 FOR EXAMPLE, THE PANDEMIC MADE IMPLICIT TRAINING
11:45:59 DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES.
11:46:02 ALSO, SOME OF THE BETTER TRAINING CAN INVOLVE ONLINE
11:46:07 SIMULATION.
11:46:11 OTHER POINTS TO NOTE, JUST BASICALLY ABOUT THE ORDINANCE,
11:46:14 ARE IT PROVIDES DIVIDING THE TRAINING INTO TWO GROUPS,
11:46:20 AND THIS IS WHERE IT DIFFERS FROM AN EARLIER DRAFT, IT
11:46:24 IDENTIFIES EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND
11:46:27 PLEASE NOTE THAT INCLUDES ELECTED OFFICIALS SUCH AS
11:46:30 YOURSELVES, AND THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND WE
11:46:34 SEGREGATED THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY DO USE DIFFERENT
11:46:38 TRAINERS, REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAN
11:46:47 THE REST OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES.
11:46:49 SO IN A NUTSHELL, UNDER THE ORDINANCE AS DRAFTED, ALL
11:46:53 NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES WILL BE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE
11:46:56 A MINIMUM OF FOUR HOURS IN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.
11:47:00 AFTER THEY ARE HIRED, WITH TWO-HOUR REFRESHER CLASSES
11:47:05 EVERY TWO YEARS.
11:47:06 ANYONE WHO IS PROMOTED TO A MANAGEMENT OR SUPERVISORY
11:47:09 POSITION WILL ALSO RECEIVE TWO ADDITIONAL HOURS TRAINING.
11:47:14 AS I NOTED BEFORE, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WILL BE
11:47:17 REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A MINIMUM OF 11 HOURS OF IMPLICIT
11:47:21 BIAS TRAINING AFTER BEING HIRED.
11:47:23 LIKEWISE, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF
11:47:27 TWO-HOUR REFRESHER CLASSES EVERY TWO YEARS.
11:47:31 THOSE THAT ARE PROMOTED TO A MANAGEMENT OR SUPERVISORY
11:47:35 POSITION AGAIN WILL RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO HOURS OF
11:47:37 TRAINING.
11:47:38 NOW, AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK DR. LORIE FRIDELL
11:47:43 TO SPEAK TO ONE -- DR. FRIDELL IS A USF CRIMINOLOGY
11:47:50 PROFESSOR, AND SHE'S THE CEO OF FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
11:47:56 POLICING LLC, AND SHE'S A NATIONAL EXPERT ON BIAS
11:48:01 TRAINING.
11:48:04 SHE AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I RECENTLY ATTENDED A
11:48:08 WORKSHOP THAT SHE LED WHERE WE AND OTHER MEMBERS.
11:48:10 COMMUNITY HAD A CHANCE TO KNOW SEE FIRST-HAND THE
11:48:13 TRAINING.
11:48:15 DR. FRIDELL, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?
11:48:24 >>DR. LORIE FRIDELL: ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME?
11:48:26 I AM VERY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY
11:48:28 ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR POLICE.
11:48:30 AS ANDREA INDICATED, I AM THE FOUNDER OF THE FAIR AND
11:48:33 IMPARTIAL POLICING PROGRAM, OR SIP, AND WE ARE THE NUMBER
11:48:37 ONE PROVIDER OF IMPLICIT BIAS AWARENESS TRAINING FOR LAW
11:48:41 ENFORCEMENT IN NORTH AMERICA.
11:48:43 SO I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUR PROGRAM AND
11:48:46 THE TRAINING THAT WE PROVIDE AROUND NORTH AMERICA AND
11:48:48 HAVE PROVIDED TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:48:51 AND I'M HOPING THIS IS SHORT AND I PROMISE A SHORT
11:48:55 DESCRIPTION WILL BE INFORMATIVE AS YOU CONSIDER THE
11:48:57 ORDINANCE.
11:48:59 SO THE KEY CONTENT OF OUR TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS
11:49:03 AS FOLLOWS.
11:49:05 FIRST WE TALK ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF IMPLICIT BIAS.
11:49:07 AND IN DOING SO, WE COVER VARIOUS TYPES OF BIAS.
11:49:11 SECOND, AND IMPORTANTLY, OHIO IT MIGHT MANIFEST IN
11:49:19 POLICING.
11:49:19 UNDER THIS HEADING, WE TALK OF ETHNICITY, GENDER, AGE,
11:49:27 DISABILITY, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SEXUAL
11:49:30 IDENTITY.
11:49:30 AND THEN WE ALSO HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
11:49:35 ACTIVITIES WHEREBY IT MIGHT MANIFEST.
11:49:38 THE THIRD PART OF THE CONTENT IS -- THE CONSEQUENCES OF
11:49:46 BIAS, THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE PERSON ON THE RECEIVER'S
11:49:52 END, THE OFFICER IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:49:58 AND THEN REALLY IMPORTANTLY, THE FINAL PEACE OF CONTENT
11:50:01 IS --
11:50:07 THESE CLASSES ARE DESIGNED FOR ADULT LEARNING.
11:50:11 THEY SIT AT TABLES THAT ARE FORMED INTO A U SO THAT WE
11:50:14 CAN MAXIMIZE INTERACTION.
11:50:16 WE HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 IN THE ROOM.
11:50:18 AND THEN WE MAKE SURE IT'S VERY INTERACTIVE.
11:50:21 THERE'S SMALL GROUP AND LARGE GROUP DISCUSSIONS,
11:50:23 SCENARIOS, PROBLEM SOLVING, TO BRING THIS CONTENT TO
11:50:26 LIFE.
11:50:27 NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR POLICE AUDIENCES, WE FEEL VERY
11:50:31 STRONGLY THAT THE INITIAL CLASSES, THE FIRST CLASS BASIC
11:50:39 TRAINING BE FACE TO FACE.
11:50:40 AND THERE'S TWO KEY REASONS FOR THIS.
11:50:42 ONE IS -- SECONDLY, ALSO TO ALLOW FOR OPEN AND HONEST
11:50:49 EXCHANGES.
11:50:51 REGARDING THE FIRSTS, YOU ARE NOT SURPRISE, THAT POLICE
11:50:56 OFTEN COME IN VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
11:50:59 FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DON IS BREAK THROUGH THAT
11:51:01 DEFENSIVENESS AND WE DO THAT WITH A CURRICULUM AND
11:51:04 CREDIBLE TRAINER WHO CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS, PUSH BACK
11:51:07 ON THEIR STEREOTYPES OF BIAS TRAINING AND GET THEM
11:51:11 ONBOARD WITH OUR MESSAGE.
11:51:12 SO THIS CAN'T BE DONE ONLINE OR EVEN VIRTUALLY VERY
11:51:17 EFFECTIVELY.
11:51:17 BUT THEN SECOND, THE TRAINING REALLY ASKS INDIVIDUALS TO
11:51:21 REFLECT ON THEIR OWN BIASNESS AND SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES
11:51:25 INCLUDING EXPERIENCES THEY HAVE HAD ON THE RECEIVING END
11:51:28 OF BIAS BEHAVIOR.
11:51:30 AND AGAIN, THIS REQUIRES FACE TO FACE INTERACTION.
11:51:38 WE HAVE DIFFERENT CURRICULUMS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
11:51:40 THE DEPARTMENT.
11:51:41 WE HAVE CURRICULUM FOR PATROL OFFICERS, AND THAT INCLUDES
11:51:44 NEW RECRUITS, FIRST-LINE SUPERVISORS, MID MANAGERS, AS
11:51:49 WELL AS COMMAND LEVEL.
11:51:51 NOW, I MENTIONED THE KEY CONTENT.
11:51:53 AND THE LAST THING I MENTIONED ON THAT LIST WAS SKILLS.
11:52:00 IT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THESE SKILLS THAT WE HAVE THESE
11:52:02 CUSTOMIZED TRAININGS FOR THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
11:52:04 SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE SKILLS FOR OFFICER, BEWARE OF THE
11:52:13 BIASES OF OTHERS WHICH INCLUDES COLLEAGUES AND COMMUNITY
11:52:17 MEMBERS.
11:52:18 WHEN IT IS FEASIBLE, SLOW THINGS DOWN.
11:52:22 FINALLY, MAKE DECISIONS USING YOUR FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
11:52:25 POLICING.
11:52:26 LET ME COMMENT JUST BRIEFLY ON REDUCING MANAGER BIAS.
11:52:32 BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MISLEADING PRESS COVERAGE
11:52:37 THIS SUMMER THAT PROVIDES THAT THE PURPOSE OF IMPLICIT
11:52:39 BIAS TRAINING IS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE BIAS.
11:52:42 AND THIS IS WAY TOO ASPIRATIONAL.
11:52:45 WE DO TRAIN AS I SAID ON VARIOUS SKILLS TO REDUCE OUR
11:52:48 BIASES OVER THE LONG-TERM, BUT OUR KEY FOCUS IS ON
11:52:53 MANAGING OUR BIAS, WHICH IS WHAT ANYBODY CAN DO WHEN THEY
11:52:56 WALK OUT OF THE CLASSROOM.
11:52:58 SO THAT WAS SKILL FOR OFFICERS.
11:53:00 FOR SUPERVISORS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE SKILLS
11:53:03 MENTIONED ABOVE.
11:53:05 BUT THEN ALSO SKILLS AND TECHNIQUES FOR SUPERVISING TO
11:53:09 PROMOTE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL POLICING.
11:53:12 THIS MEANS SKILLS FOR MONITORING THEIR REPORTS FOR
11:53:17 POTENTIALLY BIASED BEHAVIOR, AND THEN SKILLS FOR
11:53:20 INTERVENING SUPERVISORS PERSPECTIVE.
11:53:24 THE COMMAND LEVEL IS THE LONGEST VERSION OF OUR TRAINING
11:53:27 BECAUSE THEIR SKILL, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, IS WHAT I CALL THE
11:53:31 COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO PRODUCE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
11:53:34 POLICING.
11:53:37 FOLKS HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF
11:53:40 WELL-INTENTIONED INDIVIDUALS IN THE DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE
11:53:42 COMPLICIT BIASES BUT WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WITH EXPLICIT
11:53:47 BIASES, AND COMMAND LEVEL NEEDS TO BE ATTENDING TO BOTH.
11:53:50 THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED ARE RECRUITMENT AND HIRING,
11:53:54 POLICY, LEADERSHIP AND CULTURE, TRAINING, SUPERVISION AND
11:53:59 ACCOUNTABILITY, MEASUREMENT, OPERATION, AND OUTREACH TO
11:54:04 DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.
11:54:06 OUR MOST POPULAR VERSION OF THE COMMAND LEVEL TRAINING IS
11:54:09 ACTUALLY THE COMMAND COMMUNITY SESSION WHERE SOME OF THE
11:54:13 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ARE LEADERS OF THE AGENCY AND OTHERS
11:54:16 ARE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
11:54:19 SO LET'S DESCRIBE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT CURRICULUM.
11:54:22 AND WE HAVE OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING, WE WORK
11:54:29 WITH DJJ TO PRODUCE A CURRICULUM FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE
11:54:32 OFFICIALS, WE HAVE CURRICULA FOR PROSECUTORS, DEFENDERS,
11:54:36 PRIVATE SECURITY, CIVILIANS, AND CITY AND COUNTY
11:54:39 EMPLOYEES.
11:54:40 I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING IS THE
11:54:42 LENGTH OF TRAINING, AS WELL AS THE NEED FOR FOLLOW-UP
11:54:47 COURSES.
11:54:47 OUR BASIC CURRICULUM, OUR FIRST ROUND, WHICH COVERS
11:54:51 IMPLICIT BIAS AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, IS EIGHT HOURS FOR
11:54:57 PATROL OFFICERS, FOR SUPERVISORS, AND FOR MID MANAGERS.
11:55:01 OUR COMMAND OR COMMAND COMMUNITY TRAINING IS 1.5 DAYS IN
11:55:06 LENGTH AND WE FEEL THIS IS SUFFICIENT FOR CONVEYING THE
11:55:09 PRINCIPLES.
11:55:10 IMPLICIT BIAS IS BASED ON SCIENCE BUT IT'S NOT ROCKET
11:55:14 SCIENCE.
11:55:14 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE TRAINING IS NOT SO LONG THAT IN
11:55:17 FACT WE PRODUCE A BACKLASH TO THEIR PERSPECTIVENESS.
11:55:24 WE HAVE A BOOSTER TRAINING THAT YOU WOULD IMPLEMENT 12
11:55:27 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS AFTER THE BASIC TRAINING, THESE ARE
11:55:31 HALF-DAY SESSIONS.
11:55:33 WE CONVEY THE SAME PRINCIPLES BUT IN A NEW AND DIFFERENT
11:55:36 FORMAT.
11:55:36 OUR THIRD ROUND OF TRAINING FOR OUR CLIENTS WILL BE
11:55:39 ONLINE.
11:55:40 WE FEEL AT THAT POINT IT IS SUFFICIENT AND THAT'S GOING
11:55:43 TO BE 2 TO 3 HOURS.
11:55:44 NOW, REALLY IMPORTANTLY, IN BETWEEN THE BASIC TRAINING
11:55:49 AND THE BOOSTER TRAINING AND THE THIRD ROUND, WE
11:55:52 ENCOURAGE AGENCIES TO REINFORCE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
11:55:57 MESSAGES TO THE CHIEF COMMUNICATION, THROUGH THE
11:55:59 SUPERVISOR COMMUNICATION, ROLL CALL TRAINING, WE
11:56:03 ENCOURAGE THEM TO INFUSE THE PRINCIPLE OF FAIR AND
11:56:06 IMPARTIAL POLICING AND IN-SERVICE TRAINING.
11:56:11 WITH REGARD TO TPD SPECIFICALLY, UNDER JANE CASTOR IN
11:56:16 2014, WE HELD A ONE-DAY COMMAND COMMUNITY TRAINING, AND A
11:56:20 MID MANAGERS TRAINING.
11:56:22 JANE CASTOR HOSTED A REGIONAL TRAINING OF TRAINERS.
11:56:27 AND WHEN WE HOLD A TRAINING OF TRAINERS, THAT MEANS THAT
11:56:30 AGENCIES ARE SENDING THEIR TRAINERS TO LEARN HOW TO
11:56:34 IMPLEMENT TWO OF OUR CURRICULA, THE CURRICULA OF PATROL
11:56:38 OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS.
11:56:41 THIS SUMMER FOR CHIEF DUGAN, WE HAVE HELD WHAT WE CALL A
11:56:44 POP/BOOSTER SESSION, AND AGAIN CHIEF DUGAN SENDS US HIS
11:56:50 TRAINERS, AND THEY LEARNED THE UPDATED VERSION OF OUR
11:56:53 BASIC TRAINING, AND THEY LEARNED HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE
11:56:57 BOOSTER TRAINING.
11:57:00 AS YOU HEARD, WE DEVELOPED SPECIAL EVENING SESSIONS FOR
11:57:02 COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND HELD TWO OF THOSE LAST WEEK AT THE
11:57:05 CONVENTION CENTER, AND CURRENTLY WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS
11:57:08 WITH CHIEF DUGAN ABOUT HOLDING A COMMAND OR A COMMAND
11:57:13 COMMUNITY.
11:57:14 AND I AM HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITY
11:57:19 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:57:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:57:24 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU, DOCTOR.
11:57:26 I HAVE A FEW CLOSING REMARKS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO
11:57:29 COUNCIL.
11:57:31 I WANTED TO NOTE THAT I KNOW YOU ALL RECEIVED THE
11:57:36 CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION,
11:57:40 AND THAT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
11:57:43 RECEIVE AT LEAST 49 HOURS OF IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, AND
11:57:49 THAT THE REST OF US CITY EMPLOYEES INCLUDING YOURSELVES
11:57:52 RECEIVE 40 HOURS.
11:57:55 BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IS JUST NOT REALISTIC OR NECESSARY
11:57:59 FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
11:58:00 FIRST, AS DR. FRIDELL JUST NOTED, THAT NUMBER OF HOURS IS
11:58:06 NOT NECESSARILY IN ORDER FOR THAT TRAINING TO BE
11:58:09 EFFECTIVE, BUT THAT REQUIRING OUR EMPLOYEES INCLUDING
11:58:12 COUNCIL MEMBERS SUCH AS YOURSELVES TO SPEND THAT MUCH
11:58:15 TIME AWAY FROM OUR JOBS IN TRAINING WOULD BE A STRAIN ON
11:58:19 THE CITY BUDGET, AND ALSO VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE CITY AND
11:58:22 THE CITIZENS WHO RELY ON OUR SERVICES, AND WE WOULD ASK
11:58:26 YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE
11:58:30 REQUIRED TO RECEIVE JOB-SPECIFIC AND OTHER TYPES OF
11:58:33 TRAINING IN ADDITION TO TRAINING.
11:58:42 SO IN ADDITION TO A T POLICE TRAINING THAT I HAVE ALREADY
11:58:45 DESCRIBED, EVERY TAMPA POLICE OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO
11:58:47 RECEIVE REGULAR TRAINING AND TESTING OF THEIR PHYSICAL
11:58:52 ABILITIES, OF THEIR USE OF FIREARMS AND TASERS, DEFENSIVE
11:58:56 DRIVING AND OTHER SUBJECTS, AND EVEN THOUGH IN THE LEGAL
11:59:00 DEPARTMENT, I KNOW SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN RELATE
11:59:02 TO THIS, HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN OVER 40 HOURS OF
11:59:06 CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION EVERY THREE YEARS, WHICH IS
11:59:09 AROUND 15-PLUS HOURS A YEAR, AND EVEN NEW COUNCIL
11:59:14 MEMBERS -- YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO -- ARE REQUIRED BY
11:59:18 STATE STATUTE TO RECEIVE FOUR HOURS OF ETHICS TRAINING
11:59:22 EVERY YEAR.
11:59:23 SO IN ADDITION TO EMERGENT BIAS TRAINING, WE ALL HAVE TO
11:59:27 RECEIVE A LOT OF OTHER TRAINING, SO IT JUST WOULD NOT BE
11:59:30 FEASIBLE OR NECESSARY TO ADD TO OUR EXISTING TRAINING
11:59:34 REQUIREMENTS THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OF TRAINING THAT'S A
11:59:38 RESTORATIVE COALITION IS SUGGESTING.
11:59:41 SO WITH THAT, THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.
11:59:45 AND AGAIN, WE ARE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
11:59:48 YOU MAY HAVE.
11:59:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:59:51 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WAS THE MAKER OF THIS MOTION.
11:59:54 WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN GO DOWN THE
11:59:57 LINE.
11:59:58 GO AHEAD.
11:59:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:00:00 I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:00:01 I WANTED TO ECHO THE THANKS TO THE HARD WORK NOT JUST FOR
12:00:06 THE STAFF NOW BUT OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS
12:00:09 INCLUDING COUNCILMAN GUDES, CARLSON, CITRO, AS WELL AS SO
12:00:14 MANY OTHERS.
12:00:15 I ALWAYS LIKE TO BRAG ON MY FRIEND IKE STEVENS WHO I
12:00:19 BELIEVE HE'S THE GENTLEMAN ON THE BOARD WHO BROUGHT UP
12:00:22 THIS ISSUE.
12:00:23 AND MR. STEVENS IS JUST A GOOD PERSON AND I AM ALWAYS
12:00:27 THANKFUL FOR HIM AND EVERYBODY'S SERVICE.
12:00:29 WE NEED THIS ORDINANCE, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS
12:00:35 SOMETHING THAT EVERY GOOD -- SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ON THE
12:00:42 BOOKS.
12:00:44 I WILL JUST BE BLUNT.
12:00:45 I HAVE BEEN OUTRAGED BY WHAT I READ FROM SOME OF OUR
12:00:48 NATIONAL LEADERS WHO PUT DOWN THE IDEA THAT THERE IS
12:00:52 IMPLICIT BIAS, OR CERTAIN NATIONAL LEADERS EXPRESS THAT.
12:00:56 IT IS BEYOND ME HOW ANYBODY CAN CONTEST THAN THE IDEA OF
12:01:00 IMPLICIT BIAS IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.
12:01:03 WE HAVE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE EXPLICIT, BASED ON VIOLENCE
12:01:10 MANIFESTED, IN MINNEAPOLIS, WE SAW IT IN CHARLOTTESVILLE,
12:01:16 TREE OF LIFE, ET CETERA, AND WE HAVE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE
12:01:18 PERSON TO PERSON, PERSON TO GROUP, DEALING WITH IMPLICIT
12:01:22 BIAS BASED ON HOW PEOPLE ARE RAISE, THE FOLKS THAT PEOPLE
12:01:27 AFFILIATE WITH, AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE OFTEN
12:01:30 EXPLICITLY HAVE A NEGATIVE REACTION TO.
12:01:32 AND THERE ARE SO MANY SITUATIONS WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT
12:01:37 THE OFTEN VIOLENT SITUATIONS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF
12:01:42 DIFFERENT CHALLENGES.
12:01:44 WE TALKED ABOUT CIVILITY AND THE GREAT GAINS THAT WE MADE
12:01:48 IN THE CITY WITH REGARDS TO AUTISM, DEFINITIONS LIKE
12:01:52 THAT.
12:01:53 MY BROTHER AS MANY OF YOU KNOW IS INTELLECTUALLY
12:01:56 DISABLED.
12:01:56 I KNOW THAT FIRST HAND.
12:01:58 AND HOW FOLKS NEED TO BE PROPERLY TRAINED IN HOW TO DEAL
12:02:01 WITH THOSE WITH DISABILITY.
12:02:02 I ALSO COME FROM A DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT I
12:02:05 WOULD PUT A MONETARY BET ON IS THE MOST RELIGIOUSLY
12:02:13 DIVERSE DISTRICT.
12:02:14 WE HAVE CHRISTIANS.
12:02:16 WE HAVE JEWS.
12:02:18 WE HAVE SIKHS.
12:02:22 WE KNOW THAT ANTI-SEMITISM EXISTS.
12:02:25 WE KNOW ISLAMOPHOBIA EXISTS.
12:02:28 AND ALSO ON THE BASIS OF SEXUAL GENDER AND IDENTITY.
12:02:32 I WILL JUST BE BLUNT.
12:02:33 AS WE GROW AS PEOPLE, WE LEARN DIFFERENT MORAL TRUTHS
12:02:37 THAT WE ARE MAYBE BROUGHT UP WITH.
12:02:38 AND I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING, IS YOUR
12:02:42 ATTITUDE NOW ON THE LGBT COMMUNITY THE SAME AS IT WAS 30
12:02:47 YEARS AGO?
12:02:48 I'M 42.
12:02:49 WE ARE RAISED WITH CERTAIN THINGS.
12:02:50 THAT CREATES IMPLICIT BIAS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO OVERCOME.
12:02:54 THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE WITH
12:02:56 US.
12:02:57 I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
12:02:58 I WANT TO CONFIRM THIS, THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT
12:03:01 PUSHES FORTH IN LARGE PART TRAINING, NOT BY INTERNAL
12:03:07 PERSON BUT BY OUTSIDE PARTY WITH A DEMONSTRATED RECORD OF
12:03:12 SENSITIVITY, THE ISSUES THAT IT COSTS EXTRA MONEY, YES,
12:03:15 BUT IT'S WELL WORTH IT NOT ONLY ON THE WORLD PRINCIPLE,
12:03:19 BUT IT'S ALSO WORTH IT ON THE LEGAL BASIS AS WELL.
12:03:24 I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE UPDATED IF CITY COUNCIL
12:03:31 WANTS TO HEAR ONCE A YEAR ON THIS ORDINANCE AND THE
12:03:33 PROGRESS THAT WE ARE MAKING, THE STEPS THAT WE ARE
12:03:35 TAKING, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE.
12:03:38 WE DO THIS I THINK FOR TWO REASONS.
12:03:40 ALL RIGHT.
12:03:41 NUMBER ONE, THIS ORDINANCE AND HOW IT'S GOING.
12:03:46 NUMBER TWO IS REALITY.
12:03:49 IN 1965, THE IDENTITIES THAT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT FOR
12:03:53 CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES AREN'T THE SAME AS IN 2000, NOT THE
12:03:59 SAME AS 2020.
12:04:07 WE OUGHT TO BE BRIEFED ON THIS ONCE A YEAR SO THAT WE CAN
12:04:09 LOOK FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
12:04:11 AND WITH REGARDS TO TRAINING HOURS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO
12:04:14 MEASURE IT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH.
12:04:17 AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TODAY AS
12:04:22 WELL AS YEAR BY YEAR FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO
12:04:24 THE ORDINANCE.
12:04:24 I THINK THOSE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE
12:04:27 THAT ARE IN THERE, AND AGAIN THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
12:04:30 AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TAKE AN
12:04:33 AGGRESSIVE STEP ON THIS ESPECIALLY WITH NATIONAL VOICES,
12:04:38 DENY THE EXISTENCE, AS OUTLANDISH AS IT MAY BE, WE HAVE
12:04:46 THAT AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A STAND ON THAT.
12:04:48 THANKS, MR. CHAIR.
12:04:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:04:50 NEXT WE GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
12:04:52 GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
12:04:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP,
12:04:56 CHAIR.
12:04:57 THIS IS A HOT TOPIC FOR ME.
12:05:03 I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST BECAME A POLICE OFFICER AND
12:05:06 SANDY FREEDMAN'S NEED TO HIRE MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS.
12:05:12 BUT SHE I SUPPORT -- AND HE WAS TASKED WITH PUTTING ON
12:05:20 THIS TYPE OF TRAINING IN PERSON.
12:05:26 A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
12:05:30 THAT MR. TOKLEY WAS WRONG.
12:05:33 IN-PERSON TRAINING, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPLICIT
12:05:36 BIAS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE -- I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO USE
12:05:44 OTHER MECHANISMS TO GET THE POINT ACROSS.
12:05:46 THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER, SOMEONE
12:05:50 WHO CAN MONITOR THE SITUATIONS THAT ARE GOING NOT JUST
12:05:53 WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
12:06:03 THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ISSUES, TOO.
12:06:05 I'M A BLACK MALE AND PEOPLE CALL MY OFFICE, THINGS ARE
12:06:08 GOING ON, THINGS NEED TO BE DONE.
12:06:11 TRAINING.
12:06:13 YOU CAN TRAIN ALL DAY LONG, BUT A PERSON'S CONSCIENCE
12:06:22 REALLY MAKES THEM CHANGE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE.
12:06:24 BUT I KNOW TRAINING IS NEEDED.
12:06:29 AND I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHO IS TRAINING WHO?
12:06:33 WE CAN SELECT SOME PEOPLE, BUT ARE THEY REALLY HAVING THE
12:06:39 HEART TO TRAIN AND GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY, GET TO THE
12:06:42 SOUL OF THOSE WHO MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT
12:06:45 COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK MAN OR YOUNG BOY.
12:06:48 I HAD TO BE TOLD BY MY PARENTS WHEN I COULD GO, WHAT TO
12:06:51 SAY, HOW TO DRESS, HOW TO ACT AROUND WHITE FOLKS.
12:06:56 WHERE OTHERS NEVER HAD TO HAVE THAT TRAINING.
12:06:59 TO ME IT'S WHO IS TRAINING THE TRAINERS AND WHO IS
12:07:02 GETTING THE PORTION OUT.
12:07:06 YOU CAN GO TO SCHOOL AND YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST KNOWLEDGE
12:07:10 OF EVERYTHING AND IF YOU NEVER HAD TO REALLY EXPERIENCE
12:07:14 BEING IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDERSERVED, BEING AROUND
12:07:18 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DISABILITY, WORKING WITH THEM, THAT'S
12:07:23 HOW YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE.
12:07:28 FORTUNATELY I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY BEING A COACH OF
12:07:32 KIDS WITH DISABILITIES, TO UNDERSTAND THEIR DISABILITY,
12:07:34 AND HOW THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF PLAYING BALL.
12:07:40 SO FOR ME, WHEN YOU PUT TRAINING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU
12:07:44 HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCE, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO GO AND
12:07:47 EXPERIENCE THOSE AND SOMETIMES SAY, WOW, I DIDN'T
12:07:53 REALIZE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:07:54 I HAD A -- A YEAR AGO I HAD TO MEET WITH SOME PEOPLE TO
12:08:01 UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
12:08:09 THAT WORD IS USED ALL THE TIME.
12:08:11 BUT THERE WERE SOME GOOD FOLKS TALKING AND COMMUNICATING,
12:08:14 AND I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE WE HAD
12:08:17 SOME AFRICAN AMERICANS SAYING THAT WORD NOT REALLY
12:08:19 KNOWING WHAT IT MANES AND KNOWING THE CULTURE.
12:08:22 IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE CULTURE, IT'S SOMETIMES AN HONEST
12:08:28 MISTAKE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.
12:08:29 AND TRAINING IS IMPORTANT.
12:08:31 BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL COME BACK
12:08:35 WITH HOPEFULLY THAT IDEA OF EMPLOYING THE CHIEF DIVERSITY
12:08:41 OFFICER, AND EVEN TODAY MAKING SURE THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO
12:08:46 REALLY LIVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO COME IN AND TALK
12:08:49 ABOUT THOSE THINGS, TO TALK ABOUT CULTURE.
12:08:52 SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, MAKING SURE
12:08:54 THAT WE ARE GETTING THE POINT ACROSS AND PEOPLE ARE
12:08:56 ACTUALLY BEING TRAINED AND THEY ARE BEING TOUCHED BY WHAT
12:09:00 IS REALITY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.
12:09:02 I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:09:03 THANK YOU.
12:09:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:09:06 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER, YOU ARE NEXT.
12:09:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:09:13 AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.
12:09:19 I APPRECIATE THE PROFFER'S CONVERSATION.
12:09:31 I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HER.
12:09:32 >> I'M HERE.
12:09:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK RECENTLY, I READ AN ARTICLE,
12:09:37 A LENGTHY ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT IMPLICIT
12:09:41 BIAS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, GOING ON ALL OVER THE NATION,
12:09:44 AND CONTROVERSIAL AS ONE MIGHT EXPECT.
12:09:56 IT TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT DIFFERENT CITIES
12:09:59 ARE UTILIZING.
12:10:00 I DO HAVE CONCERNS -- I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SORT OF A
12:10:05 MINIMAL -- A MINIMAL APPROACH ON THIS.
12:10:11 DO YOU SEE ANY DOWN-SIDE, IF EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE
12:10:16 THE CITY, YOU KNOW, INCREASED THE NUMBER OF HOURS FOR THE
12:10:22 BIAS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR,
12:10:26 OR WHATEVER, JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY FRESH AND SHARP ON
12:10:30 THOSE ISSUES?
12:10:30 >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
12:10:35 IT'S A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
12:10:37 I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T DETERMINE THE
12:10:39 NUMBER OF HOURS BUT THE ISSUE ALONE.
12:10:43 IT'S REALLY HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED TO CONVEY WHAT NEEDS
12:10:46 TO BE CONVEYED?
12:10:48 AND AS I SAID BEFORE, WE FELT THAT THAT FIRST TRAINING, 8
12:10:51 HOURS, OF STAFF IS SUFFICIENT.
12:10:55 BUT THE POINT YOU MAKE THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT,
12:10:58 MAYBE NOT BRINGING THEM BACK FOR OUR FIVE TIMES A YEAR
12:11:02 BEFORE TO BOOST THEIR TRAINING BUT MAKING SURE THEY GET
12:11:06 THOSE REINFORCED MESSAGES.
12:11:08 WE RECENTLY MADE A VIDEO.
12:11:10 IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS A ROLL CALL VIDEO THAT
12:11:16 APPEARS TO POLICING CONCEPT TO THE PROBLEM WE HAVE BEEN
12:11:19 HEARING ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR WEARING MASKS, AND YOU KNOW
12:11:23 WALMART OR WHATEVER, AND HAVING THE POLICE CALLED.
12:11:25 AND WE MADE A COMMITMENT AT FIP TO MAKE MORE OF THOSE.
12:11:30 SO WHAT I WOULD SEE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IS WE DO
12:11:33 BELIEVE IN OUR BASIC 18 MONTHS FOR THE BOOSTER BUT YOUR
12:11:39 POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN SHORT
12:11:42 SPURTS.
12:11:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:11:45 WELL, MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THOSE,
12:11:53 WHATEVER ORDINANCE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.
12:11:57 THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND I HATE TO EVEN BRING IT UP,
12:12:02 I'M NOT A NAYSAYER, BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT
12:12:06 ARTICLE -- DID YOU SEE THE ARTICLE IN THE TIMES?
12:12:08 THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT ARTICLE THAT SAID THE
12:12:14 QUESTION -- THEY QUESTION THE EFFICACY OF THESE PROGRAMS
12:12:17 AT ALL.
12:12:18 AND I GUESS I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS TRAINING.
12:12:23 I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA AND GUDES SAID IT VERY WELL.
12:12:26 THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TYPE OF TRAINING.
12:12:30 FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:12:36 BUT HAVING DONE RESEARCH, AND ALSO, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN
12:12:42 THE CITY, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WITHIN THE CITY, AS
12:12:45 A FOLLOW-UP TO IDENTIFY IF IT'S WORKING, AND DO WE HAVE A
12:12:51 BENCHMARK, AND DO WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT WAYS TO -- I KNOW
12:13:02 IT'S SORT OF VAPOROUS AND VAGUE IN TERMS OF TESTING, BUT
12:13:06 WHO HOW DO YOU GET TESTED?
12:13:08 >> FIRST OF ALL, WE DO KNOW FROM REPORTS OF PARTICIPANTS
12:13:14 AND SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH ABOUT THE FACT THAT
12:13:17 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.
12:13:21 I MENTIONED THEY COME IN OVEN VERY DEFENSIVE, AND WE END
12:13:26 UP GETTING -- AND MANY OTHER TRAINING PROGRAMS, TOO --
12:13:30 WHAT WE GET WHEN WE ASK THEM, THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT MY
12:13:35 PROFESSIONAL LIFE.
12:13:36 I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THEY SAY THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT ME
12:13:39 AS A HUMAN.
12:13:40 BUT IN ADDITION TO TRAINING, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AND
12:13:45 GROWING BODY OF SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH SHOWING
12:13:49 THAT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING IMPACTS A ATTITUDE, RETENTION
12:13:53 AND BEHAVIOR.
12:13:54 AND COUNCIL PERSON, THIS IS VERY VARIOUS AUDIENCES,
12:13:59 VARIOUS TYPES OF GROUPS.
12:14:00 AND AN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, COMPARED TO MEMBERS OF A
12:14:04 CONTROL GROUP, INCREASE AWARENESS AND CONCERN ABOUT
12:14:09 DISCRIMINATION PRODUCES IN THOSE TRAINING, IMPLICIT BIAS
12:14:13 TRAINING, INCREASE BIAS AWARENESS AND CONCERN
12:14:15 ABOUT DISCRIMINATION, INCREASED MOTIVATION, AND INTENTION
12:14:22 TO USE BIAS REDUCING AND BIAS MANAGING.
12:14:28 AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE ARE STUDIES THAT DOCUMENT
12:14:30 REDUCTIONS IN BIAS BEHAVIOR AS A RESULT OF THIS TRAINING.
12:14:35 AS ONE EXAMPLE, RESEARCHERS HAVE DOCUMENTED THE HIRING,
12:14:39 GREATER HIRING OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES IN THE UNIVERSITY
12:14:43 DEPARTMENTS THAT WE SEE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING COMPARED
12:14:46 TO THOSE THAT DO NOT.
12:14:48 NOW, AS I MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED ON VARIOUS
12:14:53 TYPES OF TRAINING AUDIENCES.
12:14:54 THERE ARE SEVERAL FORTHCOMING EVALUATIONS OF IMPLICIT
12:14:57 BIAS TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
12:15:00 AND WITH THOSE STUDIES WE WILL DOCUMENT THE CHANGES I
12:15:05 DESCRIBED ABOVE.
12:15:08 WE HOPE IT SHOWS THEY ARE COMMITTED TO USING BIAS
12:15:11 MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES.
12:15:13 I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THAT SUPERVISORS EMBRACE THEIR ROLE
12:15:17 OF SUPERVISING OF FAIRNESS, IMPARTIAL POLICING.
12:15:22 BUT I DO WANT TO THROW OUT ONE CAUTIONARY NOTE.
12:15:25 BECAUSE OF COURSE THE BIG QUESTION IS, DOES IT IMPACT
12:15:28 BEHAVIOR?
12:15:28 AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.
12:15:30 UNFORTUNATELY, SOCIAL SCIENCE CAN'T ANSWER THE EVERY
12:15:35 QUESTION WE ASK OF IT.
12:15:37 AND EVEN A WELL-DONE STUDY WITH METHODOLOGY IS GOING TO
12:15:41 BE INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING TO MEASURE CHANGES -- I HAVE
12:15:48 BEEN UNABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEASURE THAT.
12:15:51 I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE IT.
12:15:52 SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WEISS WANT
12:15:54 BUT THAT IS SOME OF THE EVALUATIONS WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN
12:15:56 DONE AND THAT WE EXPECT.
12:15:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
12:16:00 I APPRECIATE THAT.
12:16:01 MR. BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON METRICS AND
12:16:07 HOW WE MIGHT BE EVALUATING OUR PROGRESS IN THIS AREA?
12:16:10 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'M NOT SURE CHIEF BENNETT IS STILL ON
12:16:24 THE LINE.
12:16:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEANT CHIEF DUGAN.
12:16:26 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OH.
12:16:29 IF NECESSARY, WE CAN GET A REPORT BACK.
12:16:37 YOU ARE BASICALLY JUST ASKING, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF
12:16:41 WE HAVE ANY RESEARCH EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TRAINING,
12:16:45 CORRECT?
12:16:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, RESEARCH.
12:16:48 DO WE HAVE ANY PROPOSED WAY TO ANALYZE OUR SUCCESS IN
12:16:52 THESE PROGRAMS AS WE PROCEED IN THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS?
12:16:58 SO THAT'S FINE.
12:17:00 WHENEVER THIS COMES BACK TO US FOR DISCUSSION OR
12:17:03 ORDINANCE, I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY, EITHER TPD OR CHIEF
12:17:07 BENNETT OR SOMEBODY TO TALK TO US ABOUT METRICS AND
12:17:11 ANALYSIS, ANALYZING OUR PROGRESS.
12:17:13 BUT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:17:14 I APPRECIATE IT.
12:17:17 THAT'S ALL.
12:17:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:17:19 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING OR DO
12:17:22 YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
12:17:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, JUST QUICKLY.
12:17:25 I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH SOME OF MY
12:17:28 COLLEAGUES, AND I DIDN'T BRING UP THIS ISSUE BUT THE
12:17:36 COMMUNITY CAME ONE NIGHT AND ENFORCED ACCESS TO INCLUDE
12:17:40 IT IN ITS IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.
12:17:44 WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS, AND AT THE TIME HEAD
12:17:49 OF THE TPA WAS THERE AND SAID DON'T SINGLE OUT POLICE BUT
12:17:53 MAKE SURE WE COVER THEM TO DO SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH ALL
12:17:57 EMPLOYEES, SO THAT'S THE MOTION THAT I THINK MR. IKE
12:18:03 STEVENS MADE, BUT GOING FORWARD TO APPLY TO ALL EMPLOYEES
12:18:08 OF THE CITY, AND THEN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PASSED.
12:18:14 SUBSEQUENTLY, WE LOOKED AT HOW TO CODIFY THIS, JUST TO
12:18:18 MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HAPPENING, AND MEMBERS OF THE
12:18:22 COMMITTEE CAME UP AND SPOKE THAT NIGHT IN CHARTER REVIEW
12:18:25 COMMISSION CONTACTED AND MAYBE OTHERS WHO WERE ON THE
12:18:27 COMMITTEE AND SAID, WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN CODIFIED, THE
12:18:31 KIND OF TRAINING YOU ASKED FOR, NOT BEING PUT FORWARD?
12:18:34 AND SO MY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS REALLY, I JUST WANT TO
12:18:40 MAKE SURE THAT STAFF MEMBERS DEALING WITH THIS ARE
12:18:44 TALKING TO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO RECOMMENDED
12:18:47 IT AND IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SENT TO US BY
12:18:50 SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
12:18:52 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A DIALOGUE WITH STAFF
12:18:55 THAT TRIED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED
12:18:57 FOR THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
12:18:59 THANK YOU.
12:18:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:19:06 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
12:19:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU.
12:19:15 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:19:16 FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THIS
12:19:22 WORKSHOP, ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS OF ALL THE MEMBERS AND
12:19:25 ONE THAT IMPRESSED ME THE MOST IS SHOW OF HANDS, WHO HERE
12:19:28 IS BIASED?
12:19:29 AND THAT MADE ME TURN AND FACE MYSELF.
12:19:35 I AM GLAD AGAIN, AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED THE
12:19:38 WORK THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DID, LISTENING TO
12:19:42 THE PEOPLE, LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS ON THIS.
12:19:46 AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE FINALLY BRINGING THIS TO
12:19:51 FRUITION.
12:19:52 MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:19:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:19:54 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR
12:19:57 QUESTIONS?
12:19:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I DO NOT.
12:19:59 I WENT TO THE TRAINING, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT
12:20:05 DOCTOR IS FANTASTIC.
12:20:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:20:09 JUST TO WRAP UP.
12:20:10 AGAIN I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE
12:20:13 DISCUSSION REGARDING BIAS AND IMPLICIT BIAS REMIND ME OF
12:20:16 A QUOTE FROM THE MOVIE "APOCALYPSE NOW," AND JUDGMENT
12:20:23 DEFEATS US.
12:20:24 AND WE ARE HERE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE JUDGE OTHERS,
12:20:28 BUT THROUGH THAT JUDGMENT, WE CAN EDUCATE EACH OTHER AND
12:20:31 LEARN ABOUT EACH OTHER.
12:20:33 AND SO THAT WE UNDERSTANDS OTHER PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND
12:20:38 PEOPLE IN GENERAL WHERE WE ELIMINATE THAT WORD JUDGMENT
12:20:42 FROM OUR VOCABULARY, AND WE EMPHASIZE THE WORD
12:20:46 UNDERSTANDING.
12:20:47 SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS HUMAN BEINGS, AND IT'S
12:20:56 UNFORTUNATE IN SEVERAL COUNTRIES, THROUGH SLAVERY,
12:20:59 THROUGH DIFFERENT TAPES OF DISCRIMINATION, EVERY
12:21:01 GENERATION HAS SOMETHING, ITSELF SEEMS.
12:21:02 BUT THROUGH THESE TYPES OF TRAINING, WE BETTER EDUCATE
12:21:06 OURSELVES, WE LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER, AND COUNCILMAN
12:21:13 CHAIR PRO TEM CITRO JUST MENTIONED, WHEN ASKED ABOUT
12:21:17 BIAS, AND I LOOKED AROUND AND I LOOKED AT MYSELF, AND WE
12:21:21 ARE ALL GUILTY TO SOME DEGREE.
12:21:23 NOBODY IS PERFECT.
12:21:24 BUT WE SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT GUILT.
12:21:25 WE SHOULD TRY TO BE BETTER PEOPLE, BETTER HUMAN BEINGS.
12:21:29 AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE NEED TO
12:21:33 EMPHASIZE MORE SO PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND LEARN
12:21:38 BETTER ABOUT EACH OTHER.
12:21:42 AND THAT'S IT.
12:21:43 I APPRECIATE IT.
12:21:44 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:21:46 IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, IT IS 12:21.
12:21:50 WE HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS TO GO.
12:21:51 WOULD COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE TO TAKE A RECESS FOR LUNCH
12:21:56 BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA?
12:21:58 OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE FINISH?
12:22:01 WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THE AGENDA TO GO.
12:22:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JOHN DINGFELDER.
12:22:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:22:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE STARTED OUT THIS MEETING
12:22:11 WITH A GOOD IDEA THAT THIS BE A 3-HOUR MEETING.
12:22:15 IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD 3-HOUR MEETING.
12:22:18 WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP.
12:22:20 I THINK THE ITEMS OUGHT TO BE REASONABLY DEFERRED UNTIL
12:22:26 THE AUGUST WORKSHOP.
12:22:31 I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEBODY FROM LEGAL STAFF THAT
12:22:35 INDICATED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT.
12:22:37 I GUESS THEY CAN CHIME IN ON THAT AS WELL, THE PLANNERS
12:22:41 WHO MIGHT BE ON THE PHONE.
12:22:43 BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY URGENCY ON ANY OF THOSE.
12:22:46 WE COULD CARRY THOSE OVER TO AUGUST 27th.
12:22:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSING COUNCIL GOING
12:22:53 GREEN, WHICH I THINK IS -- BEYOND THAT WE HAVE THE
12:22:58 WORKSHOP REGARDING CHAPTER 14, BONUS DENSITY, AND
12:23:02 POSSIBILITY OF CHAPTER 27.
12:23:07 PER COUNCIL DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS, WOULD COUNCIL BE OKAY
12:23:10 WITH POSTPONING TO THE AUGUST WORKSHOP?
12:23:14 AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE EARLIER, IF YOU NOTED, COUNCIL
12:23:17 MEMBER CARLSON PUT ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR THAT DISCUSSION
12:23:21 TO SEPTEMBER WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE WITH THE CRB AND
12:23:24 POLICE AND EVERYTHING.
12:23:25 SO WE HAVE THAT, AND THAT WILL OPEN UP THE DAY.
12:23:29 I MEAN, THEREFORE, WE CAN DEFER THESE ITEMS, WHICH ARE
12:23:33 ITEMS 3, 5, 6 AND 7 TO THE AUGUST WORKSHOP, IF WE CAN
12:23:40 GET --
12:23:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL JUST DO THAT IN THE FORM OF A
12:23:46 MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:23:49 >>> ALL RIGHT.
12:23:49 WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER THESE ITEMS BY COUNCILMAN --
12:23:57 (AUDIO DISCONNECT).
12:24:06 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO POSTPONE?
12:24:13 3, 5, 6 AND 7.
12:24:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
12:24:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BELIEVE THAT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER
12:24:19 GUDES.
12:24:20 ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS?
12:24:24 HEARING NONE, LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:24:30 (AUDIO ECHO)
12:24:32 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:24:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:24:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:24:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:24:42 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:24:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:24:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:24:51 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
12:24:54 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES
12:24:57 SECONDING THE MOTION.
12:24:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:25:00 BEFORE WE CONTINUE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS, ITEM
12:25:03 NUMBER 8, IMPLICIT BIAS -- (AUDIO ECHO)
12:25:12 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY.
12:25:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TECHNICAL
12:25:21 THING GOING ON.
12:25:22 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:25:24 >> CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE --
12:25:43 >> (AUDIO ECHO CONTINUES)
12:25:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.
12:25:52 EVERY TIME I HAVE ECHO, WHICH IS WEIRD.
12:25:59 BUT THAT'S FINE.
12:26:00 BUT THAT'S FINE.
12:26:01 WHAT WAS THE -- WHAT WAS THE QUESTION -- THAT'S WHAT I
12:26:06 WAS ASKED LITTLE.
12:26:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I -- FOR THE SAKE OF
12:26:12 THE PEOPLE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE CLERK, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO
12:26:18 GO ON MUTE TO DROP THE ECHO.
12:26:20 TO DROP THE ECHO.
12:26:22 THANK YOU.
12:26:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT SEEMS LAKE THE ECHO IS GONE.
12:26:30 COUNCILMAN VIERA, BEGIN AGAIN.
12:26:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.
12:26:35 WHAT QUESTION DID YOU ASK REGARDING EXPLICIT BIAS?
12:26:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS REGARDING ITEM
12:26:42 NUMBER 8 TO BE MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
12:26:44 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, YES.
12:26:47 AND I WANTED TO INQUIRE THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, DOES
12:26:50 THIS CONTEMPLATE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING BEING DONE BY
12:26:54 SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA?
12:26:57 I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, IN WHOLE OR IN PART.
12:27:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THIS IS ANDREA ZELMAN AGAIN.
12:27:04 IT DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT, WITH REGARD TO THE LAW
12:27:09 ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.
12:27:11 WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS CAPTURE WHAT THE CITY IS DOING
12:27:15 NOW WITH THE IMPLICIT TRAINING BY SAYING THAT ANY
12:27:25 TRAINING WILL UTILIZE, WE HAVE A CURRICULUM BUT WE ARE
12:27:28 GOING TO CHANGE TO CURRICULA, CONSISTENT WITH THAT
12:27:31 DEVELOPED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF
12:27:33 COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING SERVICES OR AN EQUIVALENT
12:27:38 PROGRAM.
12:27:38 AND THEN WE GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE TYPE
12:27:41 OF SUBJECT THAT HAS TO BE INCLUDED.
12:27:44 OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO NAME
12:27:46 A PARTICULAR COMPANY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE WANTED TO
12:27:51 REFLECT THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT DR. FRIDELL IS NOW
12:27:59 PROVIDING TO TPD.
12:27:59 WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY CONTEMPLATE ENOUGH BY TRAINER.
12:28:03 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY RAISES SO PROCUREMENT
12:28:08 ISSUES.
12:28:09 SO I WANTED TO -- MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AGAIN, WE GAVE
12:28:15 YOU THIS ORDINANCE IN DRAFT FORM.
12:28:16 WE WILL DO IT AS SOME OF YOU SUGGESTED AND TALK TO THE
12:28:22 FOLKS AT THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION AND ANY OTHER
12:28:25 INTERESTED PARTIES AND ALSO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH
12:28:31 INTO WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH REGARD TO HIRING AN
12:28:37 OUTSIDE TRAINER AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT INTERNALLY, AND
12:28:41 REPORT BACK TO YOU AT THE TIME WE BRING THE ORDINANCE TO
12:28:44 YOU, OWN A REGULAR AGENDA AT THAT POINT WE CAN AGAIN
12:28:51 ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO HAVE DISCUSSION WAS.
12:28:57 THAT WAS MY THOUGHT.
12:28:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
12:28:59 MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
12:29:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:29:03 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
12:29:04 I WOULD THEN DO A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF, LEGAL,
12:29:08 RETURN TO US FOLLOWING THEIR INTERNAL DISCUSSION WAS AN
12:29:14 ORDINANCE THAT WOULD CONTEMPLATE WHAT WE SEE BEFORE US
12:29:16 TODAY, PLUS TRAINING DONE IN WHOLE OR IN PART, AND WE CAN
12:29:24 DEFINE THE LEVEL OF THAT TO BE DONE BY SOME OUTSIDE
12:29:27 AGENCY.
12:29:27 I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT
12:29:30 TO THAT BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU TAKE
12:29:32 A LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE, A LOT OF CIVIL LIBERTIES
12:29:37 ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT FORTH IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR
12:29:41 LOCAL GOVERNMENT, A LOT OF TIMES, WE SEE THAT AS
12:29:47 SOMETHING THAT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED.
12:29:49 I HAVE A BOOK, PROBABLY 25 YEARS AGO, BY THE NAACP, WITH
12:29:57 BENJAMIN HOOK, WHO WAS THEIR NATIONAL PRESIDENT, I
12:30:01 BELIEVE THAT TALKS ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, BY LAW
12:30:05 ENFORCEMENT, AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IT SAYS IS DO IT
12:30:08 WITH SOME SORT OF OUTSIDE GROUP SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
12:30:11 DONE INTERNALLY.
12:30:12 THAT WAY YOU GET MORE, I THINK, POSITIVE WORK IN THAT
12:30:16 REGARD.
12:30:16 SO I MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, AND TO HAVE CITY STAFF AND
12:30:20 LEGAL FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSIONS, AND RETURN TO US AT A
12:30:27 TIME THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH THE CHAIR, AS WELL AS WITH
12:30:31 AGAIN ANNUAL REPORTING TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE FROM THE
12:30:35 CITY.
12:30:36 WE CAN DO THAT WHENEVER WE PASS IT.
12:30:37 >> SECOND.
12:30:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE SEPTEMBER 3rd.
12:30:44 WE MAY NEED MORE TIME THAN THAT.
12:30:50 WE HAVE A SEPTEMBER 17th REGULAR MEETING.
12:30:52 >>LUIS VIERA: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WILL
12:31:03 NEED?
12:31:05 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
12:31:06 I ALSO THINK IT MIGHT BE IN COUNCIL'S INTEREST GIVEN A
12:31:09 VERY BUSY SEPTEMBER WITH A LAND OF LAND USE AS WELL AS
12:31:12 THE CITY BUDGET.
12:31:16 THIS IS A MORE MEATY SUBJECT.
12:31:20 YOU MIGHT WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED
12:31:24 AND ALSO GIVE US MORE TIME AS WELL.
12:31:25 SO THANK YOU.
12:31:31 (OVERLAPPING CONVERSATIONS)
12:31:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. ZELMAN, ANY DATE IN OCTOBER?
12:31:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHICHEVER YOU CHOOSE.
12:31:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE HAVE A REGULAR --
12:31:57 >>> WE HAVE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR OCTOBER
12:31:59 15th.
12:31:59 HOW IS THAT?
12:32:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
12:32:02 THANK YOU.
12:32:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR OCTOBER 15 BY
12:32:08 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:32:09 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:32:11 LET'S TAP A ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:32:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:32:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:32:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:32:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:32:32 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:32:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:32:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:32:37 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA BEING MAKER
12:32:42 OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER SECONDING THE
12:32:45 MOTION.
12:32:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:48 ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS FOR ITEM
12:32:50 NUMBER 8?
12:32:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.
12:32:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:32:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE WORD FIRST
12:33:00 RESPONDERS, AND WE KEEP SAYING LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF
12:33:04 DOJ AND THE ISSUES.
12:33:06 HOW ARE WE CATEGORIZING --
12:33:14 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:33:16 (ECHO AUDIO)
12:33:20 LUMPING FIRE AND POLICE TOGETHER AS FIRST RESPONDERS.
12:33:25 WHAT WE FOUND HOWEVER WAS THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT LAW
12:33:30 ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DOING, AND SO MUCH MORE THAN
12:33:39 EVEN FIRE AND ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT IT JUST
12:33:42 MAKES SENSE TO US TO HAVE A SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR LAW
12:33:45 ENFORCEMENT, AND KEEP TAMPA FIRE GROUP WITH ALL THE OTHER
12:33:51 CITY EMPLOYEES.
12:33:53 IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING IT BACK
12:33:58 WHETHER WE SHOULD IN SOME WAY DISTINGUISH THE FAIR,
12:34:02 THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
12:34:04 RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, THEY DO JUST SIMPLY TRAIN THE SAME WAY
12:34:08 AS OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES TRAIN OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT
12:34:12 OFFICERS.
12:34:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I
12:34:17 WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT.
12:34:18 I STILL THINK THAT PUBLIC SERVANTS AND FIRST RESPONDERS
12:34:22 ARE OUT THERE WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND WHEN YOU TALK
12:34:24 ABOUT REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE STILL NOT DOING
12:34:27 THE SAME AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
12:34:32 SO I JUST RAISE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONCERNS
12:34:38 THAT HAVE COME UP.
12:34:40 AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT
12:34:44 WE ARE ADDRESSING ALL MEANS, EVERY DEPARTMENT, AND FAIR
12:34:53 AS FIRST RESPONDERS.
12:34:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:35:02 THANK YOU, SIR.
12:35:02 ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS?
12:35:04 NO?
12:35:05 ALL RIGHT.
12:35:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:35:07 COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE THE MOTION.
12:35:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES SECOND.
12:35:12 THAT CONCLUDE OUR AGENDA BECAUSE WE CONTINUED THE OTHER
12:35:16 ITEMS.
12:35:16 WE NOW GO TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS BY
12:35:19 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:35:19 JUST A REMINDER, WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY MOTION
12:35:22 TONIGHT, AT OUR 6 P.M.
12:35:25 SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS TO MAKE TODAY, NOW IS THE TIME
12:35:28 TO DO SO.
12:35:29 WE'LL START DOWN THE LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:35:34 IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS OR ANY MOTIONS.
12:35:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NONE SIR.
12:35:38 I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
12:35:39 NONE.
12:35:40 >>> COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TODAY?
12:35:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
12:35:45 YES.
12:35:45 I MOVE A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SETTING A
12:35:50 PLANNED AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 20-18, AND
12:35:59 TACPA 20-20 ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 10th, 2020,
12:36:08 AT 5:01 P.M.
12:36:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
12:36:12 CITRO.
12:36:13 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
12:36:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, MIRANDA.
12:36:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:36:19 ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:36:19 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
12:36:26 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:36:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:36:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THEM IF THERE'S
12:36:36 MORE OF THESE.
12:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:36:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:36:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:36:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:36:57 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO BEING THE MAKER, MIRANDA
12:37:04 SECONDING THE MOTION.
12:37:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY MORE DO YOU HAVE?
12:37:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE ONE MORE LIKE THIS AND YOU HAVE
12:37:09 THREE OTHERS.
12:37:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT K.WE BUNDLE THE THREE
12:37:13 OTHERS TOGETHER AND DO THIS ONE SEPARATE?
12:37:15 OR ARE WE --
12:37:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
12:37:17 MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT ITEMS.
12:37:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
12:37:21 >> I HOPE THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH COUNCIL.
12:37:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:37:27 WE'LL GET IT DONE.
12:37:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:37:31 I DO APPRECIATE IT.
12:37:31 NEXT ONE I MOVE A REQUEST FOR PLANNING COMMISSION CITY
12:37:34 PLAN AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 19-18-AG, TACPA
12:37:42 19-21, TACPA 20-11, TA-CPA 20-13, TACPA 20-14, T AC
12:37:58 20-15, TACPA 20-16, TACPA 2017, TACPA 20-19, AND THE
12:38:08 PLANNING AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL HEARING WITH TACPA 20-12
12:38:13 ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 20th -- EXCUSE ME,
12:38:18 SEPTEMBER 24th, 2020 AT 5:01 P.M.
12:38:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:38:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:38:26 ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:38:26 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:38:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:38:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:38:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:38:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:38:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:38:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:38:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
12:38:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY PROCEED.
12:38:55 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:38:57 I MOVE FOR STAFF FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, CODE
12:39:01 ENFORCEMENT AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY
12:39:04 RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORTING OF ENDORSEMENT OF THE MAYOR'S
12:39:08 EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRING FACE MASKS AT BUSINESSES,
12:39:12 EXECUTIVE ORDER 2020-30, REPORT OR UPDATE ON ENFORCEMENT.
12:39:18 THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY NUMBER
12:39:23 OF WARNING ISSUES, NUMBER OF CITATIONS ISSUED, NUMBER OF
12:39:27 REPORTS OF NONCOMPLIANCE, UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER, THE
12:39:35 REPORT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE AN EXPLANATION OF HOW THESE
12:39:39 DEPARTMENTS ARE RESPONDING TO NUMEROUS PHOTOS APPEARING
12:39:42 ONLINE VIA SOCIAL MEDIA OF NONCOMPLIANT BUSINESS.
12:39:49 MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE ARE OWNERS THAT ARE
12:39:55 COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY ARE SHUT DOWN, BUT YET THEY
12:39:57 START SEEING ALL THESE OTHER SO-CALLED BARS OPERATING AND
12:40:03 THEY DO NOT FEEL IT FITS THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS
12:40:06 ORDINANCE.
12:40:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:40:33 (NO AUDIO)
12:40:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: DID WE LOSE THE CHAIR AND ALSO WAS
12:41:01 THERE --
12:41:04 >>> I'M HERE NOW.
12:41:05 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND BY
12:41:08 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:41:09 GO AHEAD WITH THE VOTE.
12:41:09 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:41:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:41:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:41:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:41:30 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:41:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:41:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:41:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO BEING THE MAKER
12:41:42 OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA THE SECONDER TO THE
12:41:45 MOTION.
12:41:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE MORE?
12:41:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, I DO.
12:41:50 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:41:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:41:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE THAT STAFF REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL
12:41:55 ON SEPTEMBER 3rd ON HOW OUR VIRTUAL PROCEEDINGS HAVE
12:42:00 PROGRESSED, AND HOW AND CAN WHEN CITY COUNCIL RETURNS TO
12:42:05 IN PERSON PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS IN
12:42:11 THE EVENT THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT EXTEND HIS EXECUTIVE
12:42:14 ORDER AFTER SEPTEMBER 1st.
12:42:18 THAT'S THE END OF MY MOTION.
12:42:20 AND BUT MR. YOU ARE A COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WERE HELD IN
12:42:23 LIMBO AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS GOING TO EXTEND HIS
12:42:26 EXECUTIVE ORDER PAST AUGUST 1st.
12:42:32 THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION.
12:42:34 MR. CHAIR, IF YOU COULD ALSO ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS, YES OR
12:42:36 NO, IF THEY WILL COMMIT TO DOING PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR
12:42:43 QUASI-JUDICIAL IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THAT OCCUR.
12:42:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, MIRANDA.
12:42:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
12:42:50 CITRO WITHIN A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:42:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:42:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE MOTION.
12:42:58 QUESTION ON THE MOTION.
12:43:00 DINGFELDER.
12:43:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN
12:43:07 GUDES.
12:43:08 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN GUDES IS
12:43:11 WHO I HEARD.
12:43:12 GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:43:14 >> THANK YOU.
12:43:18 I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED ON THE MOTION ITSELF.
12:43:21 ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND PART.
12:43:23 HE'S LOOKING FOR A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL TO APPEAR AT
12:43:27 SOME FUTURE MEETINGS WHEN WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE STATUS
12:43:30 OF THE COVID SITUATION IS GOING TO BE?
12:43:34 LAST WEEK WE HAD A REPORT AND SUGGESTION FROM DR. HOLT
12:43:37 THAT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE COVID SITUATION AND WAIT
12:43:42 FOR THE NUMBERS TO GO DOWN AND THE PERCENTAGES TO GO DOWN
12:43:44 BEFORE WE MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS AS A BODY.
12:43:48 SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE INTENT OF THE MOTION IS.
12:43:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
12:43:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT.
12:43:59 I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
12:44:00 I JUST GOT A PHONE CALL, MY DEAR FRIEND, A CITY EMPLOYEE,
12:44:04 WAS JUST PASSED, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THE
12:44:12 NUMBERS ARE RISING STILL AND THE DEATHS ARE RISING IN THE
12:44:16 CITY.
12:44:16 I NEED MORE CLARIFICATION.
12:44:18 I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH, ANY IN-PERSON MEETING, I WILL
12:44:20 NOT RESPOND TO.
12:44:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN
12:44:23 CITRO.
12:44:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE CALL
12:44:28 ME, E-MAIL ME, THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING AND LAND USE,
12:44:37 WITHIN OUR CITY, THAT WANT TO GO BACK TO VIRTUAL PHYSICAL
12:44:45 QUORUM, QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS, SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THEM.
12:44:54 I HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH LEGAL, AND WHAT I AM ASKING ON
12:44:56 SEPTEMBER 3rd IS JUST TO REPORT HOW THESE VIRTUAL
12:44:59 MEETINGS ARE HELD UP -- EXCUSE ME, ARE BEING HANDLED SO
12:45:06 THAT WE CAN GET A FIRM GRASP ON HOW THIS IS WORKING.
12:45:09 THE SECOND PART, THE QUESTION I HAVE, HAS NOW BEEN
12:45:12 ANSWERED BY TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING THEY DON'T
12:45:17 WANT TO MEET IN A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
12:45:19 HOWEVER, AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING I ONLY HEARD FROM
12:45:22 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN VIERA ON WHO
12:45:25 WOULD BE WILLING TO COME FOR PHYSICAL FORUM.
12:45:29 WE CAN GO INTO A HYBRID, BUT MY QUESTION IS JUST WHO WILL
12:45:33 COMMIT TO BEING THERE FOR PHYSICAL QUORUM, MUCH LIKE WHAT
12:45:37 WAS REQUESTED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
12:45:40 SO WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON
12:45:42 SEPTEMBER 3rd ON HOW OUR VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE
12:45:45 PROGRESSING, AND, JUST UP OR DOWN, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO
12:45:50 COME IN FOR PHYSICAL QUORUM IN THE FUTURE FOR
12:45:54 QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS.
12:45:55 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:45:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:45:59 HAVING CLARIFICATION FOR A STAFF REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER
12:46:03 3rd.
12:46:03 ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY COUNCIL
12:46:05 MEMBERS?
12:46:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION TO AMEND, TO MODIFY THE
12:46:10 MOTION.
12:46:11 THE MOTION FOR SUBSTANTIVE MOTION, EITHER WAY.
12:46:14 MR. CITRO,
12:46:16 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST PART OF YOUR MOTION.
12:46:19 I THINK IT'S WELL INTENDED, AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO VOTE
12:46:22 IN FAVOR OF IT.
12:46:23 FOR A REPORT FROM STAFF ON SEPTEMBER WHATEVER.
12:46:26 AS TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
12:46:30 I WOULD ASK YOU TO BIFURCATE YOUR MOTION INTO TWO
12:46:33 SEPARATE MOTIONS.
12:46:34 AND THAT WAY WE CAN VOTE ON THE SECOND MOTION.
12:46:37 BECAUSE I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CRYSTAL BALL THAT YOU HAVE,
12:46:40 MR. CITRO, IF YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT THE COVID NUMBERS ARE
12:46:43 GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 3rd, THEN I WILL BE GLAD TO
12:46:45 COMMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
12:46:46 WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS -- I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK
12:46:51 US TO BUNDLE THOSE TWO MOTIONS.
12:46:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. DINGFELDER, LET ME CLARIFY.
12:46:58 I ONLY HAVE ONE MOTION.
12:46:59 THE OTHER WAS JUST A REQUEST FOR MR. CHAIR TO ASK WHO
12:47:03 WOULD COMMIT.
12:47:05 THAT WASN'T A SECOND MOTION.
12:47:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, YOU ARE MAKING IT PART OF THE
12:47:09 SAME MOTION.
12:47:10 I WOULD ASK YOU TO BIFURCATE THAT INTO ONE MOTION AND ONE
12:47:13 REQUEST.
12:47:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELL, I AM NOT DISAGREEING.
12:47:18 YES, I AM DISAGREEING WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:47:21 I FINISHED MY MOTION.
12:47:23 AND THEN I REQUESTED THAT THE CHAIR JUST CONFIRM WHO
12:47:27 WOULD BE WILLING.
12:47:28 IT WASN'T A MOTION.
12:47:29 IT WAS JUST A QUESTION.
12:47:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
12:47:33 SO YOU ARE MAKING SEPTEMBER.
12:47:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEPTEMBER 3rd, YES, FOR A REPORT ON
12:47:41 HOW THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE GOING.
12:47:43 AND WHEN AND IF WE CAN RETURN TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL IN
12:47:50 PERSON QUORUM.
12:47:53 IN THE EVENT THAT OUR GOVERNOR DOESN'T RENEW HIS
12:47:57 EXECUTIVE ORDER ON SEPTEMBER 1st.
12:47:59 >> NOW WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A STAFF REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER
12:48:05 3rd.
12:48:07 REGARDING COUNCILMAN CITRO'S MOTION.
12:48:09 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT?
12:48:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
12:48:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
12:48:15 ROLL CALL VOTE.
12:48:16 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE WORDING.
12:48:24 THANK YOU FOR THAT.
12:48:25 I VOTE YES ON THIS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO
12:48:28 HAVE A REPORT ON THIS.
12:48:30 MANY DIFFERENT THINGS CAN CHANGE FROM WITH WEEK TO WEEK,
12:48:33 MONTH TO MONTH.
12:48:34 SO I VIEW THIS AS CARRYING FORWARD A REPORT.
12:48:37 AND THERE YOU GO.
12:48:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:48:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:48:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:48:51 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
12:48:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:48:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:49:01 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN CITRO BEING
12:49:04 THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SECONDING
12:49:07 THE MOTION.
12:49:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN CITRO?
12:49:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:49:11 JUST ONE LAST THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
12:49:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:49:14 STAFF WANTED ME TO RESTATE MY MOTION FOR I BELIEVE IT IS
12:49:21 THE SEPTEMBER 24th MEETING, FILE NUMBER E-2019-8,
12:49:30 TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED THAT I RESTATE A
12:49:33 MOTION MADE -- EXCUSE ME, MY ADDITION TO A MOTION THAT
12:49:38 WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:49:40 THE REASON I WANT STAFF HERE AND ANSWER THAT IS BECAUSE
12:49:44 OF DENSITY WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:49:49 ONE DAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT PARKING CHANGES.
12:49:52 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DECIDE HOW
12:49:56 PARKING CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE ON PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY
12:49:59 STREETS WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER IT BE ONE SIDE OF
12:50:02 THE STREET OR THE OTHER.
12:50:11 [RUSTLING PAPERS]
12:50:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU DIDN'T NEED A MOTION ON THAT?
12:50:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
12:50:19 I THINK THAT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.
12:50:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MY LONG-WINDEDNESS.
12:50:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:50:25 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:50:26 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO ANSWER TO COUNCILMAN CITRO'S, I
12:50:35 HAD CALLS FROM THE BUILDING INDUSTRY THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE
12:50:38 VERY IN FAVOR OF HAVING VIRTUAL MEETINGS, AGAIN HAVING
12:50:42 VIRTUAL MEETINGS.
12:50:43 AND MY ADVICE IS TO TALK TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND TRYING
12:50:46 TO WORK THAT OUT.
12:50:47 I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE IN PERSON MEETINGS NOT JUST FOR
12:50:50 THE SAFETY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT FOR STAFF AND
12:50:52 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS IF LEGAL
12:50:57 AFTER REVIEWING EVERYTHING FIND THAT WE MUST HAVE IN
12:51:00 PERSON MEETINGS, THEN I WILL
12:51:06 AND I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE FRIEND OF -- THEY
12:51:10 INFORM ME THAT AMTRAK STOPPED THEIR DAILY SERVICE TO
12:51:13 TAMPA TO UNION STATION, AND THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PASS A
12:51:17 RESOLUTION ASKING AMTRAK TO BRING THAT SERVICE BACK.
12:51:23 I HAVE TAKEN THE MOTION AND GIVEN IT TO MARTIN SHELBY.
12:51:26 BY THIS I WILL ASK HIM TO CIRCULATE IT SO THAT WE CAN
12:51:28 BRING IT UP FOR A VOTE NEXT WEEK.
12:51:30 THANK YOU.
12:51:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:51:33 ANYTHING ELSE?
12:51:34 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT FOR ME.
12:51:37 THANK YOU.
12:51:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:51:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTHING.
12:51:41 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:51:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
12:51:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOTHING TODAY, SIR.
12:51:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:51:49 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. CHAIR.
12:51:51 JUST ONE QUICK MOTION, IF I MAY.
12:51:54 I MOTION FOR A STAFF REPORT ON ADDING ADDITIONAL SPIRIT
12:51:58 PROGRAM TO PARKS AND RECREATION FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL
12:52:02 NEEDS.
12:52:03 I HAD DONE SOME INTERNAL INQUIRIES ON THIS USUAL YOU.
12:52:07 AND THERE IS ONLY ONE PROGRAM OPERATING AT ONE LOCATION
12:52:10 RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY I WAS TOLD I WOULD ASK THAT THE
12:52:15 CITY CONSIDER OTHER LOCATIONS, ADDITIONAL STAFF, FURTHER
12:52:17 IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE LOCATIONS, THAT HOUSE THESE
12:52:20 PROGRAMS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.
12:52:23 AND IN PARTICULAR, DURING THE SUMMER PROGRAM, SO I AM
12:52:26 DOING THIS EARLY, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE RAISING A CHILD WITH
12:52:30 AUTISM OR CEREBRAL PALSY OR INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY,
12:52:34 QUITE OFTEN YOU ARE PRECLUDED IN EFFECT FROM A LOT OF OUR
12:52:37 SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY.
12:52:40 AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A
12:52:43 STANCE WITH REGARD TO INCLUSION.
12:52:47 IT WILL COST EXTRA MONEY, BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE MONEY
12:52:50 WELL SPENT.
12:52:51 SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT A REPORT COME BACK IN THAT
12:52:56 REGARD, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
12:52:58 WE CAN DO IT IN OCTOBER.
12:53:00 THAT'S FINE.
12:53:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME LOOK AT THE OCTOBER CALENDAR.
12:53:03 >>LUIS VIERA: OR WHATEVER IS YOUR WILL, MR. CHAIR.
12:53:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OCTOBER 15th.
12:53:10 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
12:53:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
12:53:15 VIERA.
12:53:15 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
12:53:16 >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
12:53:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS BY GUDES?
12:53:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
12:53:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:53:23 CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE NOW?
12:53:25 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:53:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:53:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:53:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:53:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:53:44 >>BILL CARLSON: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).
12:54:01 >>THE CLERK: IS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON ON THE LINE
12:54:04 STILL?
12:54:05 MANISCALCO?
12:54:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:54:10 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAVING
12:54:13 TECHNICAL ISSUES.
12:54:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:54:16 >>LUIS VIERA: AND NO MOTIONS.
12:54:20 I WANTED TO SAY TWO THINGS FIRST OFF.
12:54:22 I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL ON THE LINE.
12:54:24 I WAS GOING TO BE GOING TO THIS EVENING'S TAMPA CITY
12:54:27 COUNCIL FOR A VERY SHORT MEETING.
12:54:29 AND COVID THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH PEOPLE NOT BEING
12:54:35 ABLE TO BE AT CERTAIN PLACES, A CONFLICT HERE WITH MY
12:54:38 YOUNG 13 YEAR OLD SON, AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON ACTUALLY
12:54:41 STEPPED UP TO TAKE MY PLACE TONIGHT.
12:54:44 SO EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE, I FOUND THAT OUT YESTERDAY.
12:54:46 SO I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THAT AND THANK
12:54:49 COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR HIS PROFESSIONAL COURTESY, AND TO
12:54:52 YOU, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THE MEETING SO
12:54:55 WELL.
12:54:56 THAT IS ALL.
12:54:56 THANK YOU.
12:54:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO WRAP UP, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO
12:55:02 WISH MY MOTHER A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
12:55:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
12:55:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I CAN'T SAY HOW OLD SHE IS. WE
12:55:12 DON'T GO PAST 39.
12:55:14 AND ALSO WITH REGARDS TO COVID-19, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN
12:55:17 IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY THAT BELOVED BY
12:55:23 MANY AND VERY WELL KNOWN WITH COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS.
12:55:28 EVEN DURING THIS MEETING, HERMAN CAIN, WHO WAS A PAST
12:55:36 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO PASSED
12:55:39 AWAY.
12:55:39 AGAIN THEY ARE SAYING COVID-19.
12:55:41 SO IT'S AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
12:55:44 IT'S VERY SPREAD OUT.
12:55:47 AND WE HAVE TO TAKE SAFETY.
12:55:52 I JUST MENTION THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS.
12:55:55 AND NEW CASES ARE COMING IN.
12:55:58 IT'S AVERAGING BETWEEN 9,000 AND 10,000 CASES A.
12:56:01 THE NUMBERS FLUCTUATE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND
12:56:04 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
12:56:05 AND DEATHS CONTINUE TO KEEP ADDING UP.
12:56:07 SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT VERY ARE VERY SERIOUSLY.
12:56:10 I DO HAVE A MOTION.
12:56:11 LET ME PULL IT UP HERE. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE CHIEF
12:56:14 OF STAFF.
12:56:18 WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTAL BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAD TO CANCEL
12:56:21 FROM THE JUNE 18th MEETING AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF
12:56:24 ASKED THAT WE RESCHEDULE THOSE, SOMETIME BEFORE THE FIRST
12:56:27 BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 3rd.
12:56:33 WE HAVE ROUGHLY TWO HOURS HERE, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT
12:56:36 ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MEETING, POSSIBLY THE WEEK OF AUGUST
12:56:39 10th, 13th.
12:56:44 WE COULD DO MAYBE MONDAY, AUGUST 10th OR TUESDAY,
12:56:47 AUGUST 11th BETWEEN LIKE 9:00 AND 11:00.
12:56:52 IT'S OF COURSE VIRTUAL.
12:56:56 12:30 TO 3 OR 1:30 TO BE 3:30.
12:57:01 I MAKE A MOTION WE SCHEDULE TWO HOURS FOR DEPARTMENTAL
12:57:04 BRIEFING FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 10th, LET US SAY 9 TO 11,
12:57:09 VIRTUAL.
12:57:10 COUNCILMAN CITRO, I PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU TO MAKE THIS
12:57:12 MOTION.
12:57:13 THESE ARE JUST DEPARTMENTAL BRIEFINGS.
12:57:20 THAT'S MY MOTION FOR AUGUST 10th, 9 A.M. TO 11 A.M.
12:57:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
12:57:28 >>BILL CARLSON: MA MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
12:57:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND BY.
12:57:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:57:39 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
12:57:43 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:57:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:57:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:57:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:57:54 >>BILL CARLSON: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).
12:57:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:57:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:58:01 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CHAIR MANISCALCO BEING THE MAKER
12:58:04 OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SECONDING THE
12:58:07 MOTION, WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES.
12:58:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:58:16 A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:58:17 ANYONE?
12:58:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
12:58:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
12:58:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO
12:58:22 RECEIVE AND FILE.
12:58:23 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
12:58:24 ROLL CALL.
12:58:25 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
12:58:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
12:58:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
12:58:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
12:58:40 >>BILL CARLSON: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)
12:58:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
12:58:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:58:49 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
12:58:52 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES
12:58:54 SECONDING THE MOTION, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON
12:59:02 TECHNICAL ISSUES.
12:59:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:59:05 WE WILL BE BACK IN A HYBRID FASHION THIS EVENING.
12:59:08 REMEMBER THERE ARE NO MOTIONS THIS EVENING, JUST TO OPEN
12:59:11 AND HAVE THIS BRIEF MEETING.
12:59:12 SO 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT.
12:59:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:59:15 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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