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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JULY 30, 2020
9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP SESSION

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09:00:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

09:00:32 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP

09:00:35 VIRTUAL MEETING TO ORDER. ALL RIGHT.

09:00:41 IF WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE.

09:00:45 (MOMENT OF SILENCE)

09:00:51 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:00:51 IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

09:00:54 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]

09:00:57 ALL RIGHT.

09:01:04 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

09:01:05 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

09:01:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

09:01:12 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

09:01:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

09:01:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

09:01:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

09:01:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

09:01:24 ALL RIGHT.

09:01:26 MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NOW?




09:01:28 WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I

09:01:31 RECEIVED FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF?

09:01:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD MAKE MINE FIRST, I WOULD

09:01:38 APPRECIATE IT.

09:01:38 THANK YOU.

09:01:39 GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.

09:01:40 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

09:01:42 BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY, THIS VIRTUAL

09:01:46 WORKSHOP MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING HELD IN

09:01:49 ACCORDANCE WITH THE DECLARATIONS AND PROVISIONS OF THE

09:01:52 GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER 20-69 (FEEDBACK NOISE) AND

09:02:03 EXTENDED BY ... ALSO BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION ...

09:02:18 AND REMOTE PARTICIPATION BY COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA

09:02:19 TECHNOLOGY, AND THE PUBLIC CAN VIEW ON CABLE TV AND THE

09:02:26 INTERNET, AND BECAUSE THE MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED --

09:02:31 THE FOLLOWING ALTERNATIVE METHODS HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED

09:02:34 FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:02:36 VIA THE INTERNET OR WEB, BY VOICE MAIL, BY MAIL, OR TO

09:02:41 SPEAK REMOTELY VIA PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:02:45 NOW WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS RECEIVED IN WRITING, THEY

09:02:48 HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY

09:02:51 WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD WHEN THE ITEMS ARE

09:02:53 RECEIVED AND FILED.

09:02:55 AND THERE WILL COME A POINT IN TIME THAT PEOPLE WILL BE

09:03:00 ABLE TO HEAR THE RECORDED VOICE MAIL, AND THEN PEOPLE




09:03:03 WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SPEAK LIVE

09:03:05 REMOTELY, PREREGISTERED.

09:03:10 THOSE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE PUBLIC ARE ON THE CITY

09:03:12 COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AT TAMPAGOV.NET/PUBLICCOMMENT.

09:03:23 ONE WORD.

09:03:23 PURSUANT TO YOUR MOTION, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT SAYS ON

09:03:25 THE AGENDA, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE TAKEN AT THE BEGINNING

09:03:29 OF THE MEETING, NOT YOUR USUAL IN-PERSON PROCESS WHERE

09:03:34 AFTER EACH WORKSHOP PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN.

09:03:36 EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT IT WILL

09:03:39 BE AT THE START OF THE MEETING.

09:03:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:03:43 BYE-BYE.

09:03:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.

09:03:46 BEFORE WE BEGIN, I RECEIVED E-MAIL FROM CHIEF OF STAFF

09:03:50 JOHN BENNETT REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 4.

09:03:54 HE HAS REQUESTED THAT THAT ITEM BE MOVED TO THE FIRST

09:03:59 POSITION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE OF SITUATIONS

09:04:03 BEYOND HIS CONTROL.

09:04:06 IF THAT'S OKAY WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

09:04:08 ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO OPINE ON THAT?

09:04:11 ALL RIGHT.

09:04:12 HEARING NONE, THAT MEANS THAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF WILL

09:04:16 MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN

09:04:20 WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND 2 AND BEGIN FROM




09:04:24 THERE.

09:04:25 ALSO JUST A NOTE. THIS IS A VIRTUAL WORKSHOP MEETING.

09:04:28 THERE ARE QUITE A FEW ITEMS.

09:04:29 MY GOAL TODAY IS FOR US TO CONCLUDE BY 12:30.

09:04:33 I KNOW WE COULD GO LONGER, BUT IF WE COULD KEEP OUR

09:04:38 COMMENTS PRECISE AND TO THE POINT AND TRY TO KEEP THIS

09:04:42 MEETING GOING.

09:04:45 WE NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:04:47 I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE WITH LIVE CALLERS

09:04:53 STANDING BY AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME PRERECORDED MESSAGES.

09:04:56 ALSO, THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, TWO SPEAKERS HERE FOR PUBLIC

09:05:01 COMMENT, BOTH WITH THE ACLU, AND THEY REQUESTED THAT THEY

09:05:05 HAVE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TIME.

09:05:06 SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.

09:05:10 THOSE SPEAKERS ARE JAMIE KLAPHOLZ AND ANOTHER IS MR.

09:05:14 JAMES SHAW.

09:05:15 THEY HAVE FIVE MINUTES EACH.

09:05:18 ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THAT?

09:05:23 ALL RIGHT.

09:05:24 HEARING NONE, THREE MINUTES, AND THOSE FIVE MINUTES.

09:05:37 CLERK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC

09:05:40 COMMENT.

09:05:40 >>THE CLERK: YES, ABSOLUTELY, CHAIR.

09:05:43 THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAVE IS CONNIE BURTON.

09:05:48 MS. BURTON, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.




09:05:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONNIE BURTON.

09:06:03 >>THE CLERK: I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE TECHNICAL ISSUES

09:06:05 WITH HER.

09:06:06 AND WE MOVE ON TO RISASI MILIMA? I THOUGHT I MIGHT MESS

09:06:15 UP THAT NAME.

09:06:18 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:06:18 >> MY NAME IS RISASI MILIMA. I AM AN INTERNATIONAL

09:06:31 PRESENTER ON CULTURAL COMPETENCE, DIVERSITY AND

09:06:33 INCLUSION.

09:06:35 I AM SPEAKING TODAY IN SUPPORT OF AN ORDINANCE REQUIRING

09:06:38 THE CITY TO COMPLETE CULTURAL BIAS, COMPETENCE (AUDIO

09:06:46 CUTTING OUT) BIAS TRAINING.

09:06:47 AND IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT BE DONE BY

09:06:51 EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION, A LOCAL EXTERNAL ORGANIZATION TO

09:06:53 THE CITY, AND THE CITY IS ABLE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO DO

09:06:59 THAT IN-HOUSE.

09:07:00 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT BE DONE BY BONA FIDE AFRICAN

09:07:06 AMERICAN ADVOCACY GROUP -- (FEEDBACK) BECAUSE IF THE CITY

09:07:11 HAS ALREADY DECIDED HOW IT WILL CONDUCT THIS TRAINING AND

09:07:16 SUPPORT IT, IT IS SIMPLY A CONTINUATION OF PLANTATION

09:07:24 MENTALITY AND CORPORATE MISGIVINGS.

09:07:27 TO WORK WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE

09:07:31 PROCESS, AND THE PARTICULAR NUANCES IN PLACE NOT ONLY IN

09:07:39 TAMPA BUT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS VITAL TO NOT ONLY THE

09:07:44 MOVEMENT BUT VITAL TO THE CITY STAFF PROGRAM.




09:07:51 ALTHOUGH WE CERTAINLY ARE AWARE THIS WILL DECIDE IF THE

09:07:55 CITY MAY HAVE THE SKILLS, WOULD NOT HAVE THE OBJECTIVITY

09:08:03 THAT IS REQUIRED TO SUCH A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TRAINING.

09:08:14 IT WILL BE UNCOMFORTABLE.

09:08:16 BUT IT'S TIME THAT NEEDS UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS TO

09:08:20 BE HAD.

09:08:21 SO THAT THE PAIN TO REDUCE THE TRAUMA AND THE MISGIVINGS

09:08:25 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE COUNTY HELP MOVE THE PROCESS

09:08:32 FORWARD.

09:08:32 I ASK THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE PUT FORTH BY

09:08:37 THE COALITION AND OTHER GROUPS THAT DEMAND FOR THE NEEDS

09:08:46 OF THIS IMPORTANT TRAINING.

09:08:47 THANK YOU.

09:08:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

09:08:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:08:50 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:08:51 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.

09:09:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

09:09:04 >>CLERK: MR. BENJAMIN? YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

09:09:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BENJAMIN? OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK

09:09:23 TO THE THINGS WE CALLED OUT.

09:09:26 YOU WILL ALSO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF WE COULD GO

09:09:28 TO THE NEXT PERSON THEN.

09:09:29 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT PERSON IS ZULEMA RAMOS.

09:09:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.




09:09:38 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:09:45 AM I BEING HEARD?

09:09:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, YOU ARE, GO AHEAD.

09:09:50 >> I AM WITH THE TAMPA BAY HOUSING JUSTICE COMMITTEE.

09:09:52 I HAVE LIVED IN THIS CITY ALMOST MY WHOLE LIFE.

09:09:55 I GOT MY DEGREE HERE.

09:09:56 AND I HAVE BEEN BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AMONG

09:10:04 OTHERS HARASSED, BLACK, BROWN, DISABLED AND -- COMMUNITY

09:10:11 MEMBERS IN THAT TIME.

09:10:13 AND BECAUSE OF THIS, I'M ASKING YOU ALSO TO SUPPORT THE

09:10:19 RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COMPETENCY VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE.

09:10:24 THEIR VERSION WILL REQUIRE BIANNUAL TRAINING AND MOVE

09:10:27 TRAINING TO BE DONE IN A CLASSROOM SETTING POST-COVID AND

09:10:32 WILL CALL FOR THE HIRING OF THE TRAINING PROGRAM RUN BY A

09:10:36 PERSON OF COLOR OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF AN INTERNAL PROGRAM.

09:10:41 AND THIS PROGRAM WILL ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH THE CHARTER

09:10:44 AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY 75% OF TAMPA RESIDENTS.

09:10:51 ALSO, THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE CULTURAL COMPETENCY PROGRAM

09:10:54 CALLS FOR STRICTER, MORE PERSONALIZED TRAINING FOR FIRST

09:10:58 RESPONDERS THAT IS NECESSARY IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE

09:11:03 EQUIPPED TO SAFELY ASSESS ALL RESIDENTS.

09:11:06 SO PLEASE SUPPORT THIS VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE RATHER

09:11:09 THAN AN INTERNAL PROGRAM UNTIL WE COMPLETELY ABOLISH --

09:11:16 SO PLEASE CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF ME AND MY COMMUNITY.

09:11:20 AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.




09:11:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:11:24 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JAMES SHAW.

09:11:32 UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

09:11:35 YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

09:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.

09:11:39 YES, SIR.

09:11:39 >> I'M JAMES SHAW. I AM A PRACTICING ATTORNEY.

09:11:45 I PRACTICE DOWNTOWN. I LIVE IN WEST TAMPA.

09:11:46 CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE GREATER TAMPA LEGAL PANEL, AND

09:11:53 SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE UNITARIAN

09:11:56 UNIVERSALIST CHURCH OF TAMPA, AND BYLAWS COMMITTEE OF

09:11:58 HILLSBOROUGH DEMOCRATIC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, BUT RIGHT

09:12:01 NOW I WANT TO TALK TO YOU AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA.

09:12:04 I WANT TO DO SOME MYTH BUSTING BECAUSE OF THE MYTHS ABOUT

09:12:09 CITY COUNCIL'S POWER.

09:12:10 FIRST OFF IS THAT YOU CANNOT CREATE A BOARD WITH SUBPOENA

09:12:15 POWER, EVEN IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND YOU

09:12:19 ARE UNABLE TO DO IT.

09:12:20 THERE ARE TWO BASES FOR THIS.

09:12:22 THE FIRST IS THE D'AGOSTINO VS. CITY OF MIAMI, 220 SO.

09:12:26 3RD PAGE 410.

09:12:32 IF YOU READ THAT OPINION, IT DOES NOT SAY THAT.

09:12:33 IT SAYS THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS ONLY PROHIBITS

09:12:38 SUBPOENAS TO THE OFFICER, AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS FAIR GAME

09:12:41 BUT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A BOARD CAN BE CREATED WITH SUBPOENA




09:12:46 POWERS.

09:12:46 IT'S JUST THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS.

09:12:49 THE SECOND BASIS FOR THAT IS THE GARCIA CASE, 573

09:12:55 SOUTHERN 2ND PAGE 932 SAYS IT CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT

09:12:59 AUTHORIZING LEGISLATION.

09:13:01 THAT WAS ONLY TRUE FOR MIAMI AND IT WAS ONLY TRUE BETWEEN

09:13:05 1968 AND 2001 WHEN MIAMI CREATED HOME RULE POWERS.

09:13:10 THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IN THE 1885 CONSTITUTION,

09:13:14 THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED DILLON'S RULE WHICH SAYS

09:13:21 UNLESS AUTHORIZED TO DO IT BY STATUTE.

09:13:23 IN THE HOME RULE, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING THE STATE

09:13:27 LEGISLATURE CAN DO EXCEPT FOR SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT DON'T

09:13:31 APPLY HERE.

09:13:32 SO MIAMI WAS CARVED OUT.

09:13:34 1968 CONSTITUTION, AND THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO IT

09:13:41 EXCEPT MIAMI.

09:13:42 MIAMI HAD TO UPDATE ITS CHARTER IN 2001, AND NO LONGER

09:13:49 APPLIED, CAN'T DO IT.

09:13:51 THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT THE UPDATE

09:13:53 OF THE CHARTER IN 2019 HAS CHANGED SO THAT YOU CAN'T PASS

09:13:58 ORDINANCES AT ALL.

09:14:02 THAT'S ALSO NOT TRUE.

09:14:03 IF YOU LOOK AT 79.01 OF THE CHARTER, A FEW BOARDS IN THE

09:14:08 CHARTER ITSELF AND THEN IT SAYS MAY BE CREATED BY

09:14:13 ORDINANCE.




09:14:14 AN AD HOC COMMITTEE CREATED BY RESOLUTION UPON THE

09:14:17 RECOMMENDATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.

09:14:19 SO THAT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT STANDING BOARDS LIKE THE

09:14:22 CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD CAN BE CREATED BY ORDINANCE.

09:14:25 AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THAT NEEDS TO

09:14:28 BE APPROVED BY THE MAYOR.

09:14:29 BUT APPROVED BY THE MAYOR DOES NOT MODIFY THE ORDINANCE.

09:14:33 ORDINANCE IS SET FORTH IN SECTIONS 2.07 TO 2.10 OF THE

09:14:37 CHARTER AND OVERRIDING A VETO AND SO FORTH.

09:14:42 THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT

09:14:45 TOOK AWAY YOUR ABILITY TO OVERRIDE A VETO, FOR INSTANCE.

09:14:50 THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS REMAINS THE SAME.

09:14:53 THERE'S A LETTER THAT WAS CIRCULATED YESTERDAY BY AN

09:14:55 ATTORNEY, QUOTING IT, IT SAYS BY IMPLEMENTING THE

09:15:01 PROPOSED PROVISIONS, COUNCIL WOULD BE VIOLATING -- THE

09:15:06 CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION OF SECTION 112.533 SUBSECTION

09:15:12 2-A AND PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE REQUIRED INFORMATION TO CRB

09:15:16 TO COMMIT MISDEMEANORS BY VIOLATING SECTION 112.533

09:15:19 SECTION 4.

09:15:21 THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART.

09:15:23 CRB MEMBERS AND PERHAPS EVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE

09:15:25 ACCESSORIES.

09:15:29 THE STAFF FORGOT TO TELL YOU THAT 15 YEARS AGO, SECTION

09:15:32 12.533 SUBSECTION 4 WAS HELD UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN A CASE

09:15:36 CALLED COOPER VERSUS DILLON, 403 FEDERAL 3rd, PAGE




09:15:40 1208.

09:15:43 IT ALSO NEGLECTED TO TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE LEGISLATIVE

09:15:46 IMMUNITY IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, THAT NO

09:15:49 LEGISLATORS, STATE, FEDERAL OR LOCAL, HAS EVER BEEN

09:15:53 ARRESTED FOR VOTING YES OR NO ON PENDING LEGISLATION.

09:15:56 SO THAT JUST IS NOT TRUE.

09:16:00 THE LETTER ALSO SUGGESTS THAT THE CHIEF MUST SOMEHOW BE

09:16:03 INSULATED AGAINST OPINIONS OF THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD,

09:16:11 THAT IT WOULD CAUSE GRIEVANCE.

09:16:15 THAT'S JUST A RIDICULOUS CONCERN.

09:16:17 THE CHIEF WOULD BE ABLE TO WAIVE THAT.

09:16:19 FOR A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THE WORDS STRONG

09:16:24 MAYOR DON'T APPEAR IN OUR CHARTER, AND THERE'S NO

09:16:27 DEFINITION OF THAT.

09:16:28 THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES -- THAT BECAME THE

09:16:35 EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY VERSUS ELECTED DIRECTLY BY THE

09:16:38 VOTERS.

09:16:40 BUT THAT IS NOT A THING, ALTHOUGH THAT TERM IS THROWN

09:16:44 AROUND.

09:16:45 IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LEGAL DEFINITION AND DOESN'T COME

09:16:48 ANYWHERE IN THE CHARTER.

09:16:49 THAT'S THE END OF MY TIME.

09:16:50 THANK YOU.

09:16:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:16:52 ALL RIGHT.




09:16:53 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:16:55 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JAMIE KLAPHOLZ.

09:17:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.

09:17:06 CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?

09:17:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.

09:17:09 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:17:11 MY NAME IS JAMIE -- [RUSTLING PAPERS] I AM HERE TO SPEAK

09:17:18 ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH TO

09:17:22 ESTABLISH INDEPENDENT -- OVER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

09:17:29 I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH INDEPENDENT POLICE OVERSIGHT

09:17:33 PANEL HERE IN TAMPA FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.

09:17:36 AND MY COLLEAGUES AND I SPENT MANY HOURS PUTTING TOGETHER

09:17:39 THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST MONTH.

09:17:44 WE DID OUR ORIGINAL RESEARCH AS YOU HEARD FROM MY

09:17:47 COLLEAGUE JAMES SHAW A MOMENT AGO AND WORKED WITH THE

09:17:51 LOCAL ACLU AND NAACP CHARTERS.

09:17:56 AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS IS A TRULY INDEPENDENT BOARD

09:18:01 EMPOWERED TO ASSESS COMPLAINTS AND.

09:18:09 THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS A GOOD START AND WOULD

09:18:13 STAND THE SCOPE OF INFORMATION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

09:18:16 MUST DISCLOSE --

09:18:26 (AUDIO DROP)

09:18:32 BY THE CRB WOULD BE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO FORWARD ANY

09:18:45 COMPLAINTS TO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD BUREAU.

09:18:48 UNDER OUR PROPOSAL IT ALSO HAS THE DISCRETION TO OPEN AN




09:18:51 INVESTIGATION OF ITS OWN.

09:18:53 AND SUBPOENA POWERS ARE SO IMPORTANT IN THIS CONTEXT

09:18:56 BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO ENSURE THAT THE CRB CAN

09:19:00 INDEPENDENTLY COLLECT INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM THE

09:19:03 ORIGINAL SOURCE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE FILTER

09:19:05 OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

09:19:07 AN OVERSIGHT BOARD IN GENERAL, THEY ARE THE EXERCISERS OF

09:19:11 SUBPOENA POWER COOPERATION FROM WITNESSES.

09:19:18 BUT THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE

09:19:21 THERE'S A CRUCIAL PIECE OF EVIDENCE, WHETHER IT BE

09:19:23 SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FROM A STORE OWNER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO

09:19:31 TURN IT OVER OR A WITNESS WHO DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE.

09:19:34 SO IN THOSE INSTANCES, SUBPOENA POWER IS ABSOLUTELY

09:19:37 CRUCIAL.

09:19:37 AND THE CRB MUST BE ABLE TO ENGAGE ITS OWN INDEPENDENT

09:19:43 COUNSEL APART FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO AVOID

09:19:47 ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THE CRB, AND SUBPOENA THAT

09:19:54 MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE.

09:19:55 THE CRB ATTORNEY CAN BE AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE,

09:20:00 FOR ONLY A FEW HOURS OF WORK PER MONTH.

09:20:05 WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR AN INORDINATE LINE ITEM, BUT CAN BE

09:20:10 AN ATTORNEY LIKE OTHER CLIENTS AND JUST SPEND A BE FEW

09:20:12 HOURS PER MONTH ADVISING THE CRB, AND ADVISING THEM, YOU

09:20:24 KNOW.

09:20:28 NOW, THE MAKEUP OF THE CRB, OUR PROPOSAL CALLS FOR A




09:20:33 NOMINATING COMMITTEE BY CITY COUNCIL TO RUN THE

09:20:37 APPLICATION PROCESS, CONDUCT INTERVIEWS, AND SEEK

09:20:41 NOMINATION, AND FROM THE NOMINEES THE MAYOR WOULD APPOINT

09:20:45 FOUR MEMBERS AND EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINT ONE

09:20:48 MEMBER.

09:20:48 WE BELIEVE THAT NO ONE PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPOINT A

09:20:51 MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, AND IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING AN

09:20:56 INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE BOARD, WE CERTAINLY DON'T THINK

09:20:59 THAT THE MAYOR IS IN CHARGE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN

09:21:05 CONTROL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF

09:21:07 THE MEMBERS.

09:21:08 AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM MY COLLEAGUE JAMES SHAW, YOU DO

09:21:13 HAVE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL JUST LIKE ANY

09:21:15 OTHER ORDINANCE.

09:21:15 THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT PRECLUDES YOU

09:21:18 FROM DOING SO.

09:21:19 AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE

09:21:21 STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.

09:21:23 SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS JUST TELLS THE DECISION

09:21:28 YOU HAVE TO MAKE AND WE THINK OUR PROPOSAL REPRESENTS A

09:21:35 AND WE HOPE YOU WILL ADOPT OUR PROPOSAL.

09:21:39 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:21:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:21:43 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:21:44 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS SHARON GRAHAM.




09:21:47 IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

09:21:50 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:21:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHARON?

09:21:56 >> HELLO.

09:21:57 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:21:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.

09:22:00 GO AHEAD.

09:22:00 >> THANK YOU.

09:22:01 MY NAME IS SHARON GRAHAM, AND I OWN A PRIVATE PRACTICE

09:22:05 THAT SERVES ALL TAMPA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

09:22:08 I AM HERE TO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE REALLOCATION OF

09:22:12 FUNDING FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO STRENGTHEN

09:22:16 TRAINING FOR OFFICERS, DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, AND

09:22:21 DIVERSITY INCLUSION AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY. THIS

09:22:26 TRAINING MUST BE PROVIDED BY OUTSIDE BLACK-OWNED FIRM TO

09:22:31 TRULY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY.

09:22:36 DATA FROM CITIES ACROSS THE NATION SHOW THAT ABOUT 4% OF

09:22:39 OFFICERS TIME IS DEVOTED TO HANDLING VIOLENT CRIME.

09:22:43 IN SPITE OF THIS, WE HAVE SEEN INCREASED MILITARIZATION

09:22:47 OF THE POLICE FORCE NATIONWIDE, AND WE KNOW FROM OUR

09:22:51 BUDGET AND COMMUNITY THAT TAMPA IS NO DIFFERENT.

09:22:58 THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND MUST STOP.

09:23:00 THE QUESTION YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO

09:23:06 MAKE THESE CHANGES IN POLICY OR WHETHER IT WILL FALL TO

09:23:09 THE NEXT COUNCIL PERSON WITH WHOM YOU WILL BE REPLACED.




09:23:14 THE PURPOSE AND MISSION OF ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO

09:23:17 PROTECT AND TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.

09:23:19 CONSIDERING THE HISTORY AND ORIGINS, QUOTE, JUSTICE

09:23:25 SYSTEM IN OUR NATION, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, TO

09:23:28 BRIDGE THE TRUST AMONG OUR BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS.

09:23:34 TRUST FOR GOOD REASON, AND TAMPA IS NO EXCEPTION TO THIS

09:23:37 SYSTEMIC RACISM, WHITE SUPREMACY THAT IS PRESENT IN

09:23:42 POLICING.

09:23:43 SHALL CONTINUE RACIAL DISPARITIES THAT ARE GROTESQUE AND

09:23:47 UNACCEPTABLE.

09:23:48 WE MUST -- INVEST IN DIVERSITY TRAINING FREE OF CONFLICT

09:23:54 OF INTEREST AND DEESCALATION.

09:23:59 THESE ARE THE ONLY TECHNIQUES THAT SHOULD BE USED WITH

09:24:04 INTERACTION OF THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO THE DATA AND OUR

09:24:07 BUDGET MUST REFLECT THAT.

09:24:09 WE HAVE SEEN INSTANCES OF POLICE BRUTALITY OF CITIZENS

09:24:14 WHILE THEY ARE BEING ARRESTED AND THEY ARE SIMPLY

09:24:17 IGNORED.

09:24:17 THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL AND SHOWS LACK OF TRAINING OF

09:24:23 OUR OFFICERS.

09:24:28 THE REPEATED ESCALATION AND INTERACTION OF ALL CITIZENS

09:24:31 PARTICULARLY OUR BALLPARK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS IS

09:24:34 INEFFECTIVE AND UNACCEPTABLE.

09:24:39 A LACK OF LEADERSHIP THROUGH OUR POLICE CHIEF, AND ITS

09:24:43 INABILITY TO RECEIVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND IMPLEMENT




09:24:46 IMPROVEMENTS.

09:24:49 THIS IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE AND UNTENABLE.

09:24:52 OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS BELIEVE THAT OUR COUNCIL, MAYOR,

09:24:56 POLICE CHIEF AND POLICE OFFICERS CAN DO BETTER.

09:24:59 WE BELIEVE THAT MANY WANT TO DO IT.

09:25:04 WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE TRAINING THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO

09:25:08 IMPROVE AND MUST IDENTIFY THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO

09:25:11 IMPROVE AND REMOVE THEM FROM SERVICE.

09:25:12 I URGE YOU TO ADOPT THIS JUSTICE VERSION WHICH CALLS FOR

09:25:21 POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL TO HAVE LONGER AND MORE

09:25:23 THOROUGH TRAINING BY A MINORITY DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION

09:25:41 VENDOR HIRED FOR THE TRAINING.

09:25:42 THANK YOU.

09:25:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:25:46 ALL RIGHT.

09:25:46 WHO IS NEXT ON THE SPEAKER LIST, OR THE LAST SPEAKER?

09:25:52 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JASON MARLOW.

09:25:57 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:25:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

09:26:02 CAN YOU HEAR US?

09:26:03 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:26:07 I JUST WANT TO REITERATE MY TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FOR THE

09:26:10 OVERALL OF THE CRB.

09:26:13 AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, YOU ARE MEMBERS OF OUR GOVERNMENT

09:26:19 AND I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO OVERHAUL OUR CRB.




09:26:23 THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN HAVE A DIRECT INFLUENCE.

09:26:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

09:26:28 HAVE A WONDERFUL MEETING.

09:26:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:26:30 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:26:31 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JULIUS ADAMS.

09:26:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULIUS ADAMS, CAN YOU HEAR US?

09:26:43 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.

09:26:46 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:26:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:26:49 >> YES, WE CAN.

09:26:50 GO AHEAD.

09:26:50 >> MY NAME IS JULIUS ADAMS.

09:26:55 I'M A LOCAL ATTORNEY HERE IN TAMPA.

09:26:57 I LIVE IN TAMPA.

09:27:03 I HAVE DONE SOME WORK WITH NAACP AND ACLU ALONG WITH

09:27:09 JAMES SHAW, AND JAMIE KLAPHOLZ FOR THE NEW PROPOSAL OF

09:27:17 THE CRB.

09:27:19 MY COMMENTS ARE THIS.

09:27:22 THE PUBLIC OR PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC ARE JUST FED UP WITH

09:27:26 THIS GAP AND THIS LACK OF TRUST THAT WE HAVE WITH THE

09:27:30 POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IT'S COME TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO

09:27:38 PUT FORWARD ITS VOICE.

09:27:39 AND I THINK AN ENHANCED CRB WITH SOME INVESTIGATORY

09:27:47 POWERS WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT START TO TRY TO BRIDGE THE




09:27:50 GAP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE PUBLIC.

09:27:55 WE HAVE TO FACE A HARD TRUTH THAT THE POLICE HAVE LOST

09:28:00 TRUST OF GREATER PORTIONS OF THE PUBLIC, AND THAT IN

09:28:05 ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE TO REBUILD THAT TRUST.

09:28:10 IT SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAYOR, TO ANY ELECTED

09:28:14 OFFICIALS IN THIS CITY OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT PORTIONS OF

09:28:18 THE PUBLIC JUST SIMPLY DO NOT TRUST THE POLICE.

09:28:24 AND IN FACT IT SHOULD BE SEEN AS AN EMBARRASSMENT WHEN

09:28:29 YOU HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

09:28:30 AND IT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED, AND WE MUST TAKE STEPS TO

09:28:33 TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.

09:28:37 NOW, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY BE

09:28:39 CONSIDERING WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE CRB.

09:28:43 WHAT ABOUT POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS?

09:28:45 THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS IS A STATUTE THAT IN ALL

09:28:51 HONESTY IT COMPLETELY ISOLATES LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES

09:28:55 FROM BEING REVIEWED BY THE PUBLIC IN ANY WAY.

09:29:00 AND THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

09:29:03 AND AT THIS TIME, THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN TAKE A STEP

09:29:08 FORWARD AND ACT AS AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER CITIES ACROSS THE

09:29:11 COUNTRY IN ORDER TO BRIDGE THIS GAP BETWEEN THE TWO

09:29:16 PARTIES.

09:29:16 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN USED BY NAACP AND

09:29:21 ACLU HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR LEGAL EFFICIENCY BY ATTORNEYS

09:29:27 FROM BOTH ORGANIZATIONS.




09:29:28 AND I WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT JAMES SAID, THAT THE

09:29:32 PROPOSED ORDINANCE DOES NOT VIOLATE THE POLICE BILL OF

09:29:35 RIGHTS IN ANY WAY, DOESN'T VIOLATE ANY CRIMINAL LAW OR

09:29:39 CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.

09:29:40 SO AS SUCH, I WOULD ASK THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT DOESN'T

09:29:47 VIOLATE ANY OF THESE THINGS, PARTICULARLY THE QUESTION OF

09:29:52 THE BILL OF RIGHTS -- I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LIFT THAT FOR

09:30:00 TRANSPARENCY AND POSITION OF TRUST.

09:30:03 THANK YOU.

09:30:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:30:05 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:30:06 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MARCUS KLEBE.

09:30:10 >> YES.

09:30:13 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:30:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

09:30:14 GO AHEAD.

09:30:15 >> MY NAME IS MARCUS KLEBE.

09:30:18 I KNOW A NUMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE --

09:30:22 WORKING WITH THE CAUCUS TAMPA BAY.

09:30:33 AS SOMEBODY WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CITY OF

09:30:36 TAMPA AND DIFFERENT ISSUES PRESENTED AND SPECIFICALLY

09:30:40 TODAY.

09:30:43 AND I'M SPEAKING TO SUPPORT WHAT SPEAKER SHAW SAID.

09:30:50 AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUE OF WHY.

09:30:56 AND WE WILL BE DRAGGING INJUSTICE INTO THE LIGHT.




09:31:04 WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT THE --

09:31:38 IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE THE PEOPLE THE

09:31:40 VOICE.

09:31:48 AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING, WHAT IS YOUR

09:31:55 DESIRED OUTCOME?

09:31:56 AND I WOULD SAY THE DESIRED OUTCOME IS TO BUILD AROUND

09:32:03 THE DESIRED OUTCOME WHICH IS TRANSPARENCY, TO BRING

09:32:06 INJUSTICE INTO LIGHT.

09:32:08 IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU HOLD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT

09:32:11 ACCOUNTABLE, THAT YOU CREATE AN INDEPENDENT --

09:32:19 AND THE MAYOR SOMETIMES STILL TO THE POLICE.

09:32:27 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO STEP UP

09:32:30 AND TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.

09:32:32 AND THAT IS WHY I AM URGING ALL OF YOU TO ALLOW IN THIS

09:32:37 PROPOSED ORDINANCE, TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A WAY AROUND

09:32:44 OBVIOUS OBSTRUCTION, DOCUMENTS THAT ARE LOST, STATEMENTS

09:32:49 THAT ARE NOT GIVEN.

09:32:51 YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE POWER AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA,

09:32:54 HILLSBOROUGH ARE LOOKING AT YOU, AND YOU HAVE AN

09:32:56 OPPORTUNITY TO BE LEADERS.

09:32:58 AND I AM CERTAIN THAT YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND

09:33:04 HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

09:33:06 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

09:33:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:33:08 WHO IS NEXT?




09:33:10 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS SAMUEL ROTKER.

09:33:14 >> HELLO.

09:33:15 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:33:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, YOU CAN.

09:33:17 >> MY NAME IS SAMUEL ROTKER, A TEACHER HERE IN TAMPA.

09:33:29 WE TALK ABOUT PERSONAL CONFLICT INTEREST.

09:33:37 THE MAYOR APPOINTS BOTH CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE

09:33:42 ORGANIZATION, REVIEW OF POLICE CONDUCT.

09:33:47 THIS IS A CLEAR CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

09:33:49 YOU DON'T GET TO PICK BOTH.

09:33:50 THAT IS NOT JUST.

09:33:53 THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT WHO REPRESENTS THE

09:33:56 CITIZENS IN TAMPA, THAT IS THE CITY COUNCIL.

09:33:59 THE DECISIONS OF CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, IT SHOULD BE IS

09:34:04 CITY COUNCIL THAT APPOINTS THE MAJORITY.

09:34:07 THAT WILL BE JUST.

09:34:11 IT WOULD BE JUST THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE THE ABILITY

09:34:14 TO SIT IN ON THE HIRING PROCESS OF TPD TO ACTUALLY CHOOSE

09:34:19 WHO GETS TO POLICE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

09:34:21 AND WHY WOULD THEY CARE?

09:34:27 THEY DON'T CARE.

09:34:28 BUT ABOVE ALL, HOW IS ANY ORGANIZATION EXPECTED -- WE

09:34:40 HEAR IT ALL THE TIME IN TPD.

09:34:42 IT'S NOTHING AGAINST TPD.

09:34:43 IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE.




09:34:46 THEREFORE, IT IS UNJUST FOR TAMPA PD TO HAVE FULL POWER

09:34:51 TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE DEPARTMENT.

09:34:53 CITIZENS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS

09:34:55 DIRECTLY TO THE CRB, AND HAVE INVESTIGATIVE POWER

09:35:00 INCLUDING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND THE RIGHT TO SUBPOENA.

09:35:05 THANK YOU.

09:35:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:35:06 WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?

09:35:08 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS YVETTE LEWIS.

09:35:16 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME WELL?

09:35:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

09:35:19 GO AHEAD.

09:35:19 >> THANK YOU.

09:35:20 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO START OFF WITH THIS PROCESS OF

09:35:22 TRYING TO GET INTO THIS MEETING IS AWFUL.

09:35:33 BUT, ANYWAY, LET'S GO ON.

09:35:33 MY CONCERN IS, AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH

09:35:33 COUNTY BRANCH, BUT THE CRB SHOULD HAVE POWER TO

09:35:37 INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS, OKAY.

09:35:39 AND THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS A COMPLAINT SHOULD GO STRAIGHT

09:35:45 TO THE CRB.

09:35:46 THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE THE POWER TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE

09:35:50 CRB TO FILE THEIR COMPLAINTS, AND THE COMPLAINTS BEING

09:35:53 HEARD.

09:35:54 NOW, ANOTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE.




09:35:57 THE MAYOR MUST RELINQUISH CONTROL OF THE CRB, AND IN

09:36:02 ORDER TO GAIN TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY.

09:36:07 THE MAJORITY OF OUR APPOINTMENTS SHOULD COME FROM CITY

09:36:10 COUNCIL.

09:36:11 AND WE ARE GOING TO -- SO THE MAJORITY SHOULD COME FROM

09:36:16 CITY COUNCIL.

09:36:17 AND THE CRB, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, PLEASE KEEP THIS IN

09:36:23 MIND, THE CRB WAS DESIGNED FOR FAILURE FROM THE PAST

09:36:26 ADMINISTRATIONS, AND IT DID.

09:36:29 AND IT ALSO HURT THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT I THINK THE

09:36:33 COMMUNITY HURTS THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY, HURTS THE CITY OF

09:36:37 TAMPA, BECAUSE WE NO LONGER TRUST THE PROCESS.

09:36:41 IN ORDER TO INSTILL THE TRUST IN THE PROCESS, THE NAACP

09:36:47 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS PLEASE ASKING THAT CITY COUNCIL

09:36:53 HELPS INSTALL THE TRUST AND THE TRANSPARENCY IN THIS

09:36:57 COMMUNITY SO WE CAN LIVE OUR LIVES, THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO

09:37:03 FEAR OUR LIVES FOR SOMEONE COMING AFTER US.

09:37:06 THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT Y'ALL TAKE THIS CRY OUT

09:37:12 SERIOUS, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR

09:37:18 MISTRUST.

09:37:19 ONCE AGAIN I AM ASKING THAT ALL OF Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT

09:37:22 THING.

09:37:22 DO THE RIGHT THING.

09:37:25 HELP US BELIEVE IN YOU-ALL.

09:37:30 THANK YOU.




09:37:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:37:33 ALL RIGHT.

09:37:33 WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER?

09:37:35 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ANGEL D'ANGELO.

09:37:38 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:37:39 HOW ARE YOU?

09:37:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

09:37:44 >> MY NAME IS ANGEL D'ANGELO IN TAMPA.

09:37:49 I AM ALL FOR GETTING THE CRB THE MAXIMUM POWER ALLOWED BY

09:37:54 LAW BUT LET'S NOT FORGET THE GREATER COMMISSION HERE, TO

09:37:59 HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT THRIVES.

09:38:01 THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR,

09:38:05 AND COMMUNITY ACCESS.

09:38:09 I NEED TO TALK ABOUT ALLOCATING FUND AND SERVICES THAT

09:38:12 MATTER.

09:38:13 WE CAN DO THAT ALONG WITH THE CRB.

09:38:17 OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CITY-WIDE ANTI-BIAS,

09:38:23 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, AND POLICE TRAINING.

09:38:25 THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR FOUR HOURS FOR

09:38:30 REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW FOUR

09:38:34 HOURS ARE GOING TO TEACH WITH RACE RELATIONS AND YOUR

09:38:37 IDENTITY, FAMILIAL STATUS, IMMIGRATION STATUS, NATIONAL

09:38:41 ORIGIN, ET CETERA, AND ONLY ELEVEN HOURS FOR POLICE, THE

09:38:46 FIRE DEPARTMENT.

09:38:46 ALL FIRST RESPONDERS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR FURTHER




09:38:49 TRAINING, AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH.

09:38:56 AT LEAST 40 HOURS, AND SHOULD BE AGREED BY AN OUTSIDE

09:39:01 BLACK AND BROWN NEIGHBORS, TRANSGENDER PUT IN THERE.

09:39:10 AND THE PROCESSES OF THE CRB, WE CANNOT HAVE INTERNAL

09:39:16 TRAINING.

09:39:22 (AUDIO DISTORTION)

09:39:25 MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A TRUE ACCOUNTABLE TRAINING

09:39:28 PROGRAM THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

09:39:32 THEY WILL MOSTLY BE DONE ONLINE.

09:39:38 IT NEEDS TO BE AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.

09:39:42 YOU SHOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN YOU LEAVE.

09:39:45 AND WE ALL HAVE BIASES IN THAT AREA.

09:39:48 IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE ACKNOWLEDGING IT.

09:39:50 AND IT'S TIME TO DO SO.

09:39:51 SO, YES, INCREASE THE POWER OF THE CRB AND FOCUS ON

09:39:58 COMING UP IN THE BUDGET AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON

09:40:05 THE CRB INVESTIGATING THE DEPARTMENT, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE

09:40:11 THEM FOR?

09:40:12 SO LET'S GET EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, EVERYBODY FROM HR,

09:40:16 FINANCE, AT LEAST 40 HOURS, AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR

09:40:29 PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE CAN GO TO OUR JOBS.

09:40:33 THANK YOU.

09:40:33 >> CONNIE BURTON.

09:40:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONNIE BURTON, IF YOU ARE ON, IF YOU

09:40:47 COULD UNMUTE YOUR PHONE, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.




09:40:50 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:40:52 GOOD MORNING.

09:40:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

09:40:53 >> YES, SIR.

09:40:56 I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, NUMBER ONE, I AM IN FULL

09:41:00 SUPPORT OF ALL OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.

09:41:05 NEVER WOULD I HAVE IMAGINED THAT WE WOULD BE AT THIS

09:41:10 POINT OF BUILDING A STRONG COALITION THAT WOULD BE ABLE

09:41:15 TO ARTICULATE AND HAVE UNITY WITH THE OUTCRY OF

09:41:21 COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER OCCUPATION

09:41:24 FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

09:41:27 AS A FORMER RESIDENT OF PUBLIC HOUSING, I CAN TELL YOU

09:41:32 NOT ONLY WERE PEOPLE UNJUSTLY ARRESTED FOR STANDING WHILE

09:41:38 BEING BLACK, WALKING BLACK, RIDING BLACK, BUT SITTING

09:41:47 BLACK, SITTING ON A MILK CRATE AND BEING CHARGED WITH

09:41:51 BURGLARY, AND HAVE AN OFFICER MAKE REPORTS SO THAT PEOPLE

09:41:59 WOULD END UP WITH FELONY CONVICTIONS.

09:42:02 IT'S BEEN TEN WEEKS SINCE THE MURDER OF BROTHER GEORGE

09:42:08 FLOYD.

09:42:08 AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IS -- YOU KNOW WHAT?

09:42:32 WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AN

09:42:40 OFFICER INVOLVED WITH THE MURDER OF NOT ONLY GEORGE FLOYD

09:42:44 BUT WHAT WE ARE WITNESSING THROUGHOUT THIS NATION.

09:42:46 AND I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS THIS MOVEMENT THAT RECEIVES

09:42:54 THE FULL SUPPORT OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, AND IF YOU




09:43:01 ARE WITH THE --

09:43:06 IT WAS PAINFUL LISTENING TO THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING

09:43:11 LAST WEEK, AND LET'S REALLOCATE FUNDS SO WE CAN DO THE

09:43:18 RIGHT THING.

09:43:19 IT WAS PAINFUL.

09:43:20 HOPEFULLY, THIS VOTE, THESE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE

09:43:24 CITIZENS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THIS MORNING WILL NOT

09:43:31 INTENSIFY THAT PAIN AND YOU, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL

09:43:34 DEMOCRATS, ALL MALE, WOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO MOVE IN

09:43:39 THE DIRECTION OF OUR REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT

09:43:48 BOARD.

09:43:51 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:43:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:43:53 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:43:54 >>THE CLERK: YES, SIR.

09:43:55 THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.

09:44:00 >> HELLO.

09:44:05 I GAVE MY COMMENTS, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME A

09:44:12 DO-OVER.

09:44:13 SOME OF YOU KNOW I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PUSH TO CREATE

09:44:16 THIS FOR YBOR BACK IN 2016.

09:44:19 THAT BOARD WAS PRECIPITATED BY A DOJ INVESTIGATION INTO

09:44:24 THE REPORTING THAT FOUND THAT TAMPA POLICE HAD A PATTERN

09:44:29 OF TARGETING BLACK.

09:44:32 OVER THE COURSE OF THE THREE DAYS, THE TPD WROTE OVER




09:44:35 2500 TICKETS OF WHICH 80% WENT TO BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS

09:44:41 CITY, THE BLACK POPULATION IN TAMPA IS ONLY 22%.

09:44:45 SO KNEW THE LAWS WOULD NOT, AND THIS TRAINING CONTINUES

09:45:00 TO STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE

09:45:02 COMMUNITY.

09:45:04 THE PUSH FOR THIS REVIEW BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND

09:45:07 REMAINS ESSENTIAL.

09:45:21 THE COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

09:45:23 I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE ORDINANCE PROPOSED BY THE ACLU

09:45:26 AND NAACP.

09:45:45 THE BOARD WAS CREATED TO NEVER WORK, AND IT WAS DESIGNED

09:45:49 TO FAIL.

09:45:49 COUNCILMAN GUDES RIGHTLY PUT OUT THAT MOTION TO

09:45:53 RESTRUCTURE THE BOARD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO DO

09:45:56 IT NOW.

09:45:57 WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.

09:46:00 I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT IN THE STREETS.

09:46:03 YOU LOOKED INTO THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

09:46:05 PROTESTING, ANGER, THE FRUSTRATION, THE PAIN THAT PEOPLE

09:46:08 ARE FEELING.

09:46:09 WE STILL HAVE ISSUES.

09:46:11 AND I KNOW SOME LIKE TO SWEEP THEM UNDER THE RUG, SAYING

09:46:17 WELL THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.

09:46:18 IT IS A BIG DEAL.

09:46:22 IT IS A BIG DEAL IN THIS COMMUNITY.




09:46:27 MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR DIED IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY TO

09:46:30 WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD.

09:46:31 WE HAVE NOT SEEN JUSTICE IN THAT CASE.

09:46:35 WE HAVE NOT SEEN A FULL INVESTIGATION.

09:46:37 THAT IS WHY THE INDEPENDENT FOR THE REVIEW BOARD IS

09:46:45 CRUCIAL.

09:46:47 WE HAVE A MAYOR WHO HAS BEEN ON THE FORCE, AND PREVIOUS

09:46:53 CALLERS, THERE IS NO CREDIBILITY IF SHE ALSO APPOINT IT

09:46:59 IS MAJORITY OF MEMBERS TO THIS BOARD.

09:47:01 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

09:47:02 THERE WOULD NEVER BE JUSTICE IF THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE

09:47:05 CASE.

09:47:05 THERE ARE MANY, MANY CASES.

09:47:08 WILCOX, NEAL, MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

09:47:13 WE HAVE ISSUES OF SYSTEMIC RACISM IN OUR COMMUNITY AND

09:47:15 THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THEM AND FIX THE

09:47:18 PROBLEMS, AND NOT WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO TWEAK THIS

09:47:21 BOARD AGAIN. THIS HAS TO BE DONE NOW FOR THE FUTURE OF

09:47:23 OUR COMMUNITY TO BEGIN TO HEAL THE RIFT WE HAVE BETWEEN

09:47:30 OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PROBLEMS IN POLICING.

09:47:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:47:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:47:40 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:47:40 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THAT DID NOT

09:47:47 LOG ONTO THE WEBINAR.




09:47:49 THAT IS SHABAN SHUKLA AND BRADLEY PARUK.

09:47:55 NOW WE CAN MOVE ON TO RECORDED PUBLIC COMMENTS.

09:48:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?

09:48:02 >> WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FIVE.

09:48:04 THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS ALEXIA ROBERTS.

09:48:10 (PLAYING RECORDING)

09:48:13 >> I AM CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 1 ON THE AGENDA.

09:48:22 E-2020-8-CH-18 PROVIDING CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD CHANGES BY

09:48:29 MAYOR JANE CASTOR.

09:48:31 I'M CALLING BECAUSE FIRST AND FOREMOST THE AGENDA FOR

09:48:34 THIS MEETING WAS NOT -- BY THE CITY.

09:48:40 THERE'S A LITTLE DISTRUST IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATION.

09:48:46 SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS

09:48:48 THAT MAYOR JANE CASTOR'S YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE TAMPA

09:48:52 POLICE DEPARTMENT -- IN THIS SUBJECT MATTER.

09:49:10 POLICE FORCES AND TEAR GAS.

09:49:24 THANK YOU.

09:49:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

09:49:26 NEXT.

09:49:26 >> THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS DUSTRA HAYNES.

09:49:35 >> I LIVE IN ORLANDO.

09:49:39 I AM CALLING TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, CULTURAL COMPETENCY

09:49:48 AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION TRAINING TO CHARTERED CITY

09:49:52 EMPLOYEES.

09:49:59 THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TRAINING AND CULTURE COMPETENCY.




09:50:10 ALL CITY EMPLOYEES THAT INTERACT WITH, INCLUDING

09:50:16 EMERGENCY AND ESPECIALLY POLICE FORCE.

09:50:22 TRAINING OF EMPLOYEES TO COVER ALL THESE AREAS MENTIONED.

09:50:45 (NOISE)

09:50:47 I ASK THAT THE TRAINING BE AT LEAST 40 HOURS OF TRAINING

09:50:52 EVERY TWO YEARS, PROVIDED BY AN OUTSIDE VENDOR IN

09:51:01 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION TRAINING, AND INCLUDE A PROGRAM THAT

09:51:04 CAN BE REVIEWED TO JUSTIFY THE PUBLIC AND IN-PERSON, FACE

09:51:14 TO FACE TRAINING.

09:51:18 IT SHOULD BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WISHES OF THE

09:51:21 VOTERS.

09:51:22 THANK YOU.

09:51:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:51:24 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JOSEPH

09:51:26 MCCLENNAN.

09:51:30 >> I SUPPORT THE AUTHORIZATIONS OF THE CRB TO REVIEW THE

09:51:40 POLICIES, THE PROCESSES OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT

09:52:04 REGARDING ANY PUBLIC SERVICE, ANY DETAILS THAT MAY BE

09:52:07 AVAILABLE.

09:52:10 THANK YOU.

09:52:10 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS SOPHIA SOBRITO.

09:52:17 >> MY NAME IS SOPHIA SOBRITO, 1503 EAST MULBERRY DRIVE,

09:52:24 TAMPA, FLORIDA 33604.

09:52:27 I AM CALLING FOR THE CRB TO BE INVOLVED IN THE HIRING

09:52:32 PROCESS OF TPD.




09:52:35 I BELIEVE THE CRB IS AN INEFFECTIVE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW

09:52:41 CHANGES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

09:52:42 I BELIEVE THE CRB MEMBERS, THE SUBPOENA INVESTIGATION IN

09:52:58 INVESTIGATIONS.

09:52:58 THANK YOU.

09:52:58 >>THE CLERK: NEXT WE HAVE TOPHER MORRISON.

09:53:04 >> MY NAME IS TOPHER MORRISON, A RESIDENT OF DAVIS

09:53:09 ISLAND, AND I OWN A BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA.

09:53:11 I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE REALLOCATION

09:53:13 OF FUNDING FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT BIAS DEESCALATION

09:53:18 TECHNIQUES AND DIVERSITY TRAINING, ESPECIALLY TRAINING BY

09:53:22 OUTSIDE FIRMS WHO CAN TRULY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE

09:53:26 MARGINALIZED.

09:53:27 ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL STATISTICS, ROUGHLY 95% OF ALL

09:53:31 POLICE CALLS ARE FOR NONVIOLENT INSTANCES.

09:53:40 IN ADDITION, OUR PUBLIC POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE TO

09:53:44 PROTECT AND THE PUBLIC.

09:53:52 THINK ABOUT IT.

09:53:53 WHY WOULDN'T A POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR CHIEF, AND THE

09:53:57 MAYOR BE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT INVESTING DIVERSITY TRAINING

09:54:02 IN DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES, TO BETTER SERVE THE PUBLIC.

09:54:06 WHY WOULDN'T THEY SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR BUDGET ON

09:54:11 DEESCALATION TRAINING INSTEAD OF COMBAT TRAINING?

09:54:16 THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY, DETAILED PROTOCOLS.

09:54:20 IT IS VERY CLEAR NUMBER ONE, REQUEST.




09:54:24 NUMBER TWO.

09:54:26 COMPLY.

09:54:27 ALL THE POLICE BRING TATTLE VIDEOS WE HAVE SEEN --

09:54:32 TRAINING AFTER THE REQUESTS HAVE FAILED, AND ALSO SHOW

09:54:38 THE REQUESTS SEEM TO BE LACKING SOMETHING.

09:54:44 IT SHOULD BE REASONABLE IN THAT ENTIRE PROCESS TO ASK AND

09:54:47 EXPLAIN THINGS BEFORE THE REQUEST.

09:54:49 AFTER ALL, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN ASKING, WHY AM I

09:54:53 BEING ARRESTED?

09:54:54 AND THE OFFICER COMPLETELY IGNORES THAT.

09:54:57 THEY IGNORE THAT BECAUSE EXPLAIN IS NOT IN THEIR

09:55:00 TRAINING. THIS SEEMS LIKE AN OBVIOUS OMISSION FROM

09:55:03 TRAINING OF OFFICERS.

09:55:04 THESE REQUESTS ARE NOT FOR THE CITIZENS -- BUT IT IS

09:55:09 COMING FROM THE CITIZENS WHO BELIEVE THAT ALL POLICE CAN

09:55:12 AND SHOULD BE BETTER.

09:55:17 TRAINING THAT ALLOWS THEM TO, SO THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED

09:55:22 AND REMOVE THEM FROM THEIR SERVICE.

09:55:24 IF WE DO THIS, WE CAN MOVE CLOSER TO A POLICE FORCE THAT

09:55:27 NOT ONLY PROTECT OUR CITIZENS BUT SERVES THEM AS WELL.

09:55:31 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

09:55:32 >>THE CLERK: THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT

09:55:36 PORTION.

09:55:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:55:40 I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO DO, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR




09:55:44 WORK.

09:55:46 PUBLIC COMMENT HAS NOW CONCLUDED.

09:55:50 WE DID HAVE AN E-MAIL FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR ITEM

09:55:54 NUMBER 4, IF WE COULD MOVE THAT UP.

09:55:58 WE HAVE A BRIEF POWER POINT PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL

09:56:01 GO INTO ITEMS 1 AND 2.

09:56:03 BUT CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT, IF YOU ARE READY TO GO, YOU

09:56:06 HAVE THE FLOOR.

09:56:07 GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:56:08 >>MARK BENTLEY: GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL, AND

09:56:14 PUBLIC.

09:56:17 IF YOU BRING UP THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

09:56:35 STANDING BY FOR THE PRESENTATION.

09:56:39 >> IT IS UP.

09:56:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, CHIEF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE

09:57:01 TO BEGIN.

09:57:04 >>MARK BENTLEY: THANK YOU.

09:57:04 I DOESN'T SEE IT ON THE PUBLIC SCREEN.

09:57:06 THAT'S WHY I AM PAUSING.

09:57:09 CAN WE CHECK WITH BROADCAST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC

09:57:12 IS SEEING THE PRESENTATION?

09:57:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE FACEBOOK BROADCAST, IT IS

09:57:23 SHOWING JUST YOUR FACE.

09:57:29 IT IS NOT SHOWING THE PRESENTATION.

09:57:35 >>MARK BENTLEY: THERE WE GO.




09:57:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:57:42 >>MARK BENTLEY: SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE,

09:57:48 PLEASE.

09:57:55 SO AS REQUESTED BY A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND

09:58:04 COUNCILMAN CARLSON BACK IN EARLY JUNE, THE REQUEST IS FOR

09:58:08 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO HOW

09:58:12 COMMUNICATION BY THE ADMINISTRATION TO CITY COUNCIL BE

09:58:16 IMPROVED, BY WHAT MEANS IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED, AND

09:58:19 FURTHER THAT A REPORT BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL FOR CONSENT

09:58:24 AGENDA.

09:58:24 I SORT OF ADOPTED THIS MOTION TO KIND OF GIVE COUNCIL AND

09:58:29 THE PUBLIC A BRIEFING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE

09:58:32 BEEN TRYING TO DO ALL THROUGH THE COVID CRISIS, NOT

09:58:38 SPECIFICALLY TO COVID BUT CHALLENGED BY COVID, SINCE THE

09:58:42 ADMINISTRATION BEGAN.

09:58:44 AND AS WE KNOW, COMMUNICATION FIXES A LOT OF PROBLEMS,

09:58:47 BUT IT SOUNDS SIMPLE AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.

09:58:52 THIS IS A PROCESS OF SUPPORTING TECHNOLOGY, SO WHAT I WANT

09:58:57 TO DO IS WALK THROUGH A FEW SLIDES REAL BRIEFLY AND THEN I

09:59:00 WILL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

09:59:02 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

09:59:09 SO JUST FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, I KNOW

09:59:13 COUNCIL IS AWARE, BUT FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, THE CITY'S

09:59:17 ORGANIZATIONAL CHART SPEAKS TO EIGHT DIFFERENT

09:59:20 ADMINISTRATORS.




09:59:21 THERE'S TWO IN PUBLIC SAFETY, AS YOU KNOW.

09:59:23 THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF.

09:59:25 WE HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

09:59:28 WE HAVE THE CFOs, ADMINISTRATOR.

09:59:31 AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR GENERAL ADMINISTRATORS, ONE OVER AT

09:59:37 CHIEF OF STAFF, INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY, ECONOMIC AND

09:59:40 DEVELOPMENT, NEIGHBORHOODS.

09:59:42 AND THOSE BASICALLY CREATE EIGHT LANES OF TRAFFIC OF

09:59:47 INFORMATION THAT COME TO US THROUGH DIFFERENT CHANNELS.

09:59:49 AND THOSE THREE DIFFERENT CHANNELS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE

09:59:53 MAYOR'S MARKETING COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT,

09:59:59 TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:00:01 AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE SUPPORTING EMPLOYEES TO THOSE

10:00:05 DIVIDENDS THAT RELATE TO INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS, AND

10:00:10 THOSE WHAT I CALL DIFFERENT CHANNELS.

10:00:12 I WILL SAY THAT THE MAYOR HAS BEEN PASSIONATE ABOUT

10:00:15 ADDING TWO OTHER CHANNELS, ONE SPECIFICALLY TO

10:00:17 INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WE

10:00:19 KNOW, AND THAT ALSO ONE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC

10:00:24 SERVICES UNDER MS. POST, AGAIN STILL COMING THROUGH

10:00:28 MARKETING COMMUNICATIONS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE

10:00:31 COMMUNICATION AND INFORMATION DENSITY IN THOSE AREAS, WE

10:00:36 HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN ADDING POSITIONS FOCUSED ON

10:00:39 COMMUNICATION ON THOSE FUNCTIONS.

10:00:42 NEXT SLIDE.




10:00:50 SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WORKED WITH MS. ASHLEY

10:00:53 BAUMAN'S DEPARTMENT ON WAS TRYING TO STRUCTURE THIS IN

10:00:57 ANY MORE FORMAL PROCESS THROUGH SERVICE LEVEL AGREEMENTS.

10:01:00 AND MS. BAUMAN ISSUED TWO AGREEMENTS, ONE FOR CITY

10:01:05 COUNCIL AND ONE FOR BASICALLY THE GENERAL DEPARTMENTS ON

10:01:08 HOW THEIR DEPARTMENT CAN BEST SERVE, AND WITH THE CURRENT

10:01:12 BAND WIDTH THAT THEY HAVE.

10:01:16 SO THOSE ARE LIVING DOCUMENTS.

10:01:18 WE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON

10:01:23 HOW WE CAN IMPROVE BOTH PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE

10:01:26 COMMUNICATION TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BUT

10:01:29 CITY COUNCIL AND ALL OF OUR TRUST PARTNERS AND

10:01:32 STAKEHOLDERS HAVE WHAT THEY NEED THAT IS QUICKLY AND

10:01:36 EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

10:01:37 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

10:01:47 SO THIS WHICH IS IN COUNCIL'S PRESENTATION FOR TAKEAWAY

10:01:51 KIND OF GIVES SOME DEPARTMENTAL LINE UP OF TRUE SUPPORTS,

10:01:55 WHICH DEPARTMENTS, AND IF WE NEED TO REACH OUT IN A

10:02:01 MOMENT OF DYNAMIC INFORMATION, THESE ARE SOME OF THE

10:02:04 CONTACTS THAT YOU CAN REACH OUT TO.

10:02:06 BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT SPECIFICALLY WHATEVER TYPE OF

10:02:09 INCIDENT THAT WE ARE WORKING OR WHAT KIND OF

10:02:12 COMMUNICATION IS NECESSARY THAT WE KIND OF DEFAULT BACK

10:02:15 TO THOSE EIGHT ADMINISTRATORS, AND IF YOU ARE NOT GETTING

10:02:19 WHAT YOU NEED IN THE TIME THAT YOU NEED IT, YOU CAN




10:02:21 ALWAYS GET AHOLD OF ME 24 HOURS, 7 DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS

10:02:26 A YEAR.

10:02:27 NEXT SLIDE.

10:02:36 AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT MS. BAUMAN CREATED TO MAKE

10:02:41 SURE THAT CERTAINLY REQUESTS FOR PROACTIVE MANNER CAN BE

10:02:47 ACCOMPLISHED.

10:02:47 YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDES IN TRAINING OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE

10:02:51 ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU JUST LIKE WE ARE THROUGH HER

10:02:54 DEPARTMENT, TO SUPPORT ANY OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN

10:02:58 THE CITY.

10:02:59 SO AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE PROACTIVE PROCESS TO SET UP

10:03:04 AND DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER COMMUNICATION FOR THE

10:03:08 CONSTITUENTS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, THE PUBLIC, AND WHATEVER

10:03:12 YOUR NEEDS WOULD BE.

10:03:13 NEXT SLIDE.

10:03:28 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TOOK IN FOR CITY COUNCIL WHEN I

10:03:31 FIRST GOT HERE IS CALENDAR AWARENESS.

10:03:33 WE HAVE PARKS AND REC ACTIVITIES, SPECIAL EVENTS, TOWN

10:03:38 HALL MEETINGS, ET CETERA.

10:03:39 SO HAVING A DYNAMIC CALENDAR, THAT COULD BE BOTH

10:03:45 PUBLICATION AND INTERNAL PHASING WAS IMPORTANT.

10:03:48 SO BETWEEN MS. BAUMAN'S OFFICE AND RUSSELL HAUPERT'S

10:03:52 OFFICE AT T&I WORKING ON REFINING THESE CALENDARS SO YOU

10:03:57 AND YOUR STAFF CAN HAVE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS OF WHAT'S

10:04:00 GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, AND OF COURSE HOPEFULLY BEYOND




10:04:03 THE COVID CONDITIONS THAT WILL ALLOW BETTER OPPORTUNITIES

10:04:06 FOR BEING ON CAMPUS ON OR LOCATION FOR SOME OF THESE

10:04:10 EVENTS.

10:04:12 AGAIN, IF YOU NEED ANY INFORMATION ON HOW TO USE THAT OR

10:04:15 HOW TO ACCESS IT, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.

10:04:19 NEXT SLIDE.

10:04:26 I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE, BASED ON THE REVIEW THAT I

10:04:31 HAVE, WE HAVE SET YOU UP IN WHAT'S CALLED THE EVERBRIDGE

10:04:36 SYSTEM AND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE TEXT MESSAGING TO

10:04:40 CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING MR. SHELBY, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO

10:04:44 DO IS IMPROVE THAT SPONTANEOUS NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO ALL

10:04:49 OF YOU AT ONCE.

10:04:52 THERE'S NOT APPLY SITUATION SO WE ARE PROTECTING THE

10:04:55 SUNSHINE PROCESS.

10:04:57 THIS IS A ONE-WAY PUSH TO GIVE YOU SITUATIONAL AWARENESS

10:05:00 IN THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT COULD BE EITHER IN YOUR

10:05:03 DISTRICT OR CITY-WIDE ISSUES.

10:05:06 AND I HAD SENT A MYRIAD OF TEXTS OVER THE LAST MONTH, IN

10:05:11 A DATA FORMAT, AND OF COURSE FEEDBACK AND HOW THAT'S

10:05:15 WORKING FOR YOU.

10:05:16 IN ADDITION, WE HAVE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE I

10:05:19 MENTIONED EARLIER, A PROCESS OF HUMAN AND TECHNOLOGY

10:05:24 COMBINED.

10:05:25 WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE AUTOMATION EFFORTS TO

10:05:27 ALLOW YOU TO GET INFORMATION IN AS REALTIME AS POSSIBLE.




10:05:31 OF COURSE ALL THE INFORMATION ROLLS OUT FROM HUMAN

10:05:34 INTERACTION SO THAT PROCESS AND COACHING IS STILL A WORK

10:05:37 IN PROCESS AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO REFINE ON

10:05:40 THAT.

10:05:41 ONE THING I WANT TO MAKE, AS YOU FORWARD TO THE NEXT

10:05:45 SLIDE, IF YOU COULD, THE ONE POINT BEFORE I OPEN IT FOR

10:05:50 QUESTIONS BUT FOLLOW UP IN ADDITIONAL EFFORTS AS THEY ARE

10:05:54 SUGGESTED IS THAT WE KNOW MEDIA AND INFORMATION MOVES

10:05:57 FAST.

10:05:58 AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS TO MAKE SURE WE GET YOU

10:06:02 ACCURATE INFORMATION BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO

10:06:04 IS -- AND YOU MAY SEE SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND IT

10:06:08 TAKES TIME TO MAKE SURE FROM THE CHAIN OF COMMAND DOWN TO

10:06:11 THE FIELD THAT IT'S EXACTLY AS ACCURATE AS IT IS IN THE

10:06:15 PUBLIC SECTION MEDIA REALM.

10:06:19 SO THAT TAKES A FEW MINUTES, HE OBVIOUSLY A FEW HOURS, TO

10:06:22 WORK THROUGH.

10:06:22 BUT SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFORMATION IS NOT THERE

10:06:24 OR IT'S NOT THERE AT ALL, AND THAT'S A PART THAT WE ARE

10:06:28 WORKING ON.

10:06:29 BUT TRYING TO FIND THAT SWEET SPOT BETWEEN ACCURACY AND

10:06:32 SPEED IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

10:06:34 BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY TEAMS, AND I HAVE

10:06:37 SPOKEN TO MS. BAUMAN, AND OF COURSE OUR ADMINISTRATORS,

10:06:41 AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO WORK TO DO THEIR BEST TO MAKE




10:06:43 SURE THAT THEY BUBBLE UP THOSE PRIORITY INCIDENTS OR

10:06:48 PRIORITY SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN.

10:06:50 EVEN IF THEY ARE OVERNIGHT TO GIVE YOU SOME KIND OF

10:06:53 AWARENESS FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.

10:06:54 I DO -- SCAN SOME OF THE ACTIVITY THAT COMES THROUGH,

10:06:59 ESPECIALLY IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY SPACE.

10:07:01 CHIEF LOCICERO HAS SHARED WITH ME THAT HE WILL TRY TO

10:07:05 MAKE SURE THAT HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM GETS THE INFORMATION

10:07:08 FROM THEIR SPACE.

10:07:10 CHIEF DUGAN HAS ARRANGED FOR ME TO SEE A LOT OF THE

10:07:13 INFORMATION AS PUT OUT IN THE SYSTEM.

10:07:15 SO I CAN WORK AGAIN TO TRY TO SCRAPE THAT.

10:07:24 WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT AS A TEAM.

10:07:27 AS WE ARE TRYING TO GET YOU INFORMATION IN REALTIME AS

10:07:30 POSSIBLE, AND I DON'T CONTROL THE CONTENT, I JUST TRY TO

10:07:33 SHARE THE CONTENT.

10:07:34 I WOULD ASK YOU IF THAT'S BASED ON THE ADMINISTRATORS

10:07:38 THAT I SPOKE TO IF YOU WANT TO GET INFORMATION ON THEM

10:07:41 FOR CLARITY OR CONFIRMATION THAT WE BUILD OUR

10:07:43 RELATIONSHIPS TOGETHER, AND YOU DO REACH OUT TO THOSE

10:07:46 RESPECTIVE ADMINISTRATORS AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHIEFS, AND

10:07:49 GET CLARIFICATION, AND WE'LL TRY TO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS

10:07:53 AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

10:07:54 WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND

10:07:56 FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN SUPPORT YOU FURTHER IN OUR JOURNEY




10:08:00 TOGETHER.

10:08:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

10:08:02 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:08:13 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

10:08:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT AT THIS TIME.

10:08:16 >> CHIEF, YOU DO A VERY GOOD JOB.

10:08:29 NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:08:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?

10:08:34 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, CHIEF.

10:08:35 JUST QUICKLY.

10:08:36 YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSION DEALING WITH THE COMMUNICATION

10:08:40 DEPARTMENT WAS SET UP TO PROMOTE THE MAYOR, AND THERE WAS

10:08:44 VERY LITTLE COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS OR CITY COUNCIL

10:08:47 OR ANYONE ELSE.

10:08:48 SO MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I HEARD HAVE BEEN ABOUT

10:08:52 RESIDENTS NOT HEARING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT WHEN

10:08:59 INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE GOING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD,

10:09:02 WHEN THE ROADS ARE GOING TO BE TORN UP.

10:09:04 AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT COMMUNICATION EFFORT.

10:09:07 AND THEN WHEN THE POLICE ARE AWARE OF PROTEST MARCHES

10:09:12 GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD, FOLKS WANT TO BE AWARE OF

10:09:14 THAT AND THEY WANT INFORMATION ON WHAT TO DO.

10:09:18 I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG CHANGE IN THE LAST YEAR, AND

10:09:23 I THINK THE MORE WE CAN DO TO INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT

10:09:31 THINGS THE MORE COMFORTABLE THE RESIDENTS WILL FEEL.




10:09:33 THANK YOU.

10:09:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:09:41 COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:09:43 >> FIRST, THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

10:09:46 IT'S VERY HELPFUL AS WE GO ALONG IN OUR JOURNEY.

10:09:49 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING THAT I ASKED MR.

10:09:51 HAUPERT TO WORK WITH CONTRACT ADMIN ON THOSE BASIC NEEDS

10:09:56 IS TO AGAIN THE MORE AUTOMATION, AND MS. BAUMAN IS

10:10:02 PROMOTING THIS, THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN HAVE.

10:10:06 SO THE MAYOR HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT BASICALLY A GIS

10:10:11 PACKET TOGETHER OF THOSE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND

10:10:14 THEIR TIMELINES, BECAUSE QUITE OFTEN WE SEE SOMETHING

10:10:18 STARTING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:10:19 OUR ROADWAY AND THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF NOT IN THE

10:10:26 PROJECT MEETINGS, THEY DON'T KNOW THE TIME LANE.

10:10:28 BUT WITH A SIMPLE CLICK OF THE MOUSE AND HOVERING OVER

10:10:32 THAT PERSPECTIVE DOT, WE CAN SEE THE TIMELINE AND OTHER

10:10:37 RESOURCES AND ACTUALLY SHARED WITH A LOT OF YOU OFFLINE

10:10:40 WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVING A WORKING MODEL TO SEE THE DATA

10:10:43 AND (BELL RINGS) AND AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY OR ON AN

10:10:50 APP.

10:10:50 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

10:10:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:10:52 CHIEF BENNETT.

10:10:54 NEXT UP, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.




10:10:56 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF?

10:10:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:Y NO, SIR.

10:11:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:11:02 COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES, I KNOW THIS WAS YOUR MOTION.

10:11:05 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

10:11:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP

10:11:09 THIS MORNING AND ALSO CHIEF BENNETT.

10:11:12 I KNOW WE TALKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT COMMUNICATION, AND

10:11:16 GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO COUNCIL, GETTING IT TO THE

10:11:20 PUBLIC.

10:11:20 I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IN TALKING TO YOU YESTERDAY IS

10:11:24 MAKING SURE WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN IN

10:11:29 A COUNCILMAN'S DISTRICT OR IN GENERAL, I KNOW MY DISTRICT

10:11:34 IS VERY BUSY.

10:11:36 I SERVE EVERY ETHNICITY, EVERY GROUP, AND RICH, POOR, AND

10:11:41 MIDDLE CLASS.

10:11:41 WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN I GET PHONE CALLS, AND ONE POINT

10:11:48 IN MY AREA, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A FIRE.

10:11:52 MAJOR SHOOTINGS IN MY AREA, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT

10:11:55 IT.

10:11:56 I DO THINK THAT IT -- THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S SAFE,

10:12:04 WHAT'S GOING ON.

10:12:05 AND I GET A LITTLE PUSHBACK AT TIMES, AND I'M HOPING THAT

10:12:12 WITH THIS SITUATION, IT WILL WE'LL HAVE THAT, AND I THINK

10:12:20 NOT JUST HOW TO CHANGE BUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR KEEPING THE




10:12:23 COMMUNITY SAFE.

10:12:27 AND RECALL WHERE THAT COMMANDER OR ONE OF THE CAPTAINS,

10:12:33 THAT'S WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT

10:12:36 TYPE OF COMMUNICATION GOING ON.

10:12:37 SO WHEN WE GET A CALL, WE HAVE SITUATIONS -- SOMETHING

10:12:47 IS -- I'M HOPING THERE'S A BETTER SYSTEM IN PLACE.

10:12:54 I YIELD BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN.

10:12:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER

10:12:58 GUDES.

10:12:59 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.

10:13:00 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:13:02 I APPRECIATE THAT.

10:13:05 NOTHING TOO LENGTHY.

10:13:06 I JUST WANT TO SALUTE THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR

10:13:09 CONSTANT CONTACT WITH US.

10:13:10 I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT THROUGH MY

10:13:14 CONSTITUENTS ON SO MANY ISSUES, AND BY AND LARGE IT'S

10:13:17 ALWAYS BEEN CHIEF BENNETT.

10:13:19 CHIEF BENNETT KNOWS OF MY SENTIMENTS WITH REGARDS TO HIM,

10:13:22 AND HE'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT HE IS, I THINK HE'S

10:13:26 STELLAR AND HE ALWAYS DOES A STELLAR JOB IN TERMS OF

10:13:31 KEEPING US UPDATED.

10:13:32 AGAIN, I SAY THAT FROM EXPERIENCE.

10:13:34 JUST OVER THE LAST SEVERAL -- NOT ONLY COVID ISSUES BUT

10:13:39 ALSO CIVIL DISTURBANCES, AND WHATNOT, THE LOOTING THAT




10:13:49 OCCURRED IN THE NORTH TAMPA AREA.

10:13:54 NOT ONLY ON THAT ISSUE BUT ALSO ON A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY

10:13:57 SENTIMENTS AND BUSINESSES AFFECTED, ET CETERA.

10:14:02 SO JUST FOR ME, I THINK IT'S A SALUTE THEM FOR THEIR HARD

10:14:07 WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT EASY.

10:14:09 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

10:14:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:14:11 JUST TO WRAP UP, CHIEF.

10:14:12 YOU DO A WONDERFUL JOB.

10:14:15 I THINK YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND YOUR OFFICE HAS

10:14:19 ALWAYS BEEN VERY GOOD.

10:14:21 I HAVE OFTEN SAID THAT YOU WORK TOO MUCH AND TOO HARD.

10:14:24 BUT YOU ARE UP EARLY IN THE MORNING, ALWAYS VERY

10:14:30 RESPONSIVE.

10:14:31 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

10:14:34 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:14:35 ANYTHING ELSE, CHIEF?

10:14:36 >>MARK BENTLEY: NO.

10:14:38 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

10:14:39 AGAIN, IT'S A STATUS OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT SO WE'LL

10:14:44 WORK TOWARDS IT.

10:14:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:14:46 THAT SETTLES ITEM NUMBER 4.

10:14:48 WE WILL NOW GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 1 AND CONTINUE THROUGH

10:14:52 THE AGENDA.




10:14:53 ITEM NUMBER 1 WHO FROM STAFF WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN THE

10:14:59 DIALOGUE HERE?

10:15:03 >>GINA GRIMES: THIS IS GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.

10:15:06 AND I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 1 AND 2 UNDER THE STAFF

10:15:11 REPORTS.

10:15:14 TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION MADE BACK IN JUNE

10:15:18 REGARDING THE CRB'S AUTHORITY.

10:15:20 AND I AM GOING TO BE JOINED IN THIS PRESENTATION THIS

10:15:24 MORNING BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE BRIAN DUGAN, BY CHIEF

10:15:30 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY URSULA RICHArdSON AND ALSO BY

10:15:34 CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT.

10:15:38 IN ADDITION TO RESPONDING TO YOUR TWO REQUESTS AT THIS

10:15:43 TIME WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU SOME ADDITIONAL

10:15:46 MEASURES OF THE AUTHORITY AND ROLE OF THAT CITIZENS

10:15:51 REVIEW BOARD.

10:15:52 AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROPOSAL IS TO APPROVE THE --

10:15:57 IMPROVE THE ACCESSIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY OF TPD

10:16:00 OPERATION.

10:16:01 AND IN AN EFFORT TO IN TURN IMPROVE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST.

10:16:05 AND CHIEF DUGAN AND MS. RICHARDSON WILL GO OVER OUR

10:16:12 PROPOSAL WITH YOU IN MORE SPECIFIC DETAIL.

10:16:15 I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SOME INTRODUCTORY REMARKS.

10:16:19 THERE ARE SEVERAL LEGAL AND POLICY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH

10:16:23 HOW THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED OR PERMITTED TO EXPAND THE

10:16:27 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD'S ROLE AND POWER.




10:16:30 AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE MANY GROUPS AND

10:16:34 INDIVIDUALS WITH VERY STRONG CONVICTIONS REGARDING THIS

10:16:37 SUBJECT.

10:16:38 AND WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES WITH THOSE

10:16:42 VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS SPECIFICALLY, THIS MORNING YOU HEARD

10:16:48 FROM THE ACLU THAT THE CITY'S' PROPOSAL DOES NOT GO FAR

10:16:57 ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO DO MORE.

10:16:58 AT THE SAME TIME YOU ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER YESTERDAY

10:17:00 FROM THE PBA THAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL GOES TOO

10:17:05 FAR AND IT SHOULD BE SCALED BACK.

10:17:09 I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THE FACT THAT THE ACLU THINKS THAT

10:17:12 THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT GO FAR ENOUGH, BUT THE PBA THINKS

10:17:17 IT GOES TOO FAR.

10:17:18 I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THAT MEANS THAT IT IS LIKELY

10:17:22 THIS PROPOSAL WAS SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

10:17:24 AND IN FACT IT GOES FAR ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO FAR.

10:17:30 AND I THINK WE STRUCK A PROPER CORD WITH HOW THE CRB'S

10:17:34 POWER SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

10:17:35 AND I REALIZE THIS IS A LOT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER

10:17:48 AND THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP THIS MORNING AND NO ACTION

10:17:51 SHALL BE TAKEN AND FOR CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND

10:17:54 CONSIDER ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

10:17:55 IN FACT, SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY

10:17:58 MADE AND PROVIDED TO US THEIR PROPOSED REVISION TO THE

10:18:03 ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL AND MOST OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS




10:18:07 ARE (SO AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO

10:18:20 CHIEF DUGAN AND URSULA RICHARDSON.

10:18:23 AT THE END OF THEIR PRESENTATION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT

10:18:26 THAT WE ALSO ADDRESS THAT OUR LEGAL AND POLICY ISSUES

10:18:31 IDENTIFIED BY BOTH THE ACLU AND THE PBA.

10:18:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

10:18:41 GO AHEAD CHIEF.

10:18:41 >>CHIEF DUGAN: CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:18:46 HAVING BEEN EXPOSED TO THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD PROCESS,

10:18:55 EXISTING ROLE OF THE CRB IS TO REVIEW INTERNAL TPD

10:19:02 INVESTIGATIONS REGARDING USE OF FORCE, AND WHETHER THIS

10:19:05 IS IN ACCORD WITH POLICIES AND PROCEDURE.

10:19:08 THEY ALSO REVIEWED CASES AND ISSUE IMPORTANCE OF INTEREST

10:19:14 TO COMMUNITY AND CITY REGARDING TPD HANDLING OF ISSUES

10:19:17 AND WHETHER VISIONS OF TPD POLICIES ARE APPROPRIATE.

10:19:22 ALONG WITH THE CHANGES REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL, THE

10:19:31 CITY HAS ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS REGARDING THE CRB.

10:19:35 PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROVIDE FOR ADDITIONAL DUTIES OF THE

10:19:38 CRB.

10:19:40 ADDITIONAL DUTIES

10:19:54 PURPOSE FOR ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT

10:20:04 COMMUNITY COMMENT AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID IT WAS

10:20:06 LOOKING FOR IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SUGGEST PROPOSALS

10:20:12 TO THE CRB ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROMOTE AND ENSURE

10:20:17 CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, CONDUCT, AND IMPROVE THE PUBLIC




10:20:21 TRUST.

10:20:22 BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT WAS ALSO FOR THE PURPOSE OF

10:20:24 INCREASING THE ACCESSIBILITY OF CITIZENS TO THE CRB,

10:20:28 INCREASING THE CRB'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE REVIEW AND

10:20:32 DISCIPLINARY PROCESS AND ENHANCING THE CRB VISIBILITY IN

10:20:36 THE COMMUNITY.

10:20:38 AS A PART OF THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH THESE

10:20:41 PROPOSALS, WE LOOKED AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITHIN THE

10:20:46 STATE OF FLORIDA AND WE TRIED TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE STATE

10:20:48 OF FLORIDA JUST BECAUSE WEIGHED THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE

10:20:52 OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

10:20:56 SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT FLORIDA JURISDICTIONS, AND THEIR

10:21:01 FUNCTIONS AND THEIR DUTIES.

10:21:03 WE ALSO WENT FURTHER SINCE WE HAD OUR EXISTING CITIZENS

10:21:07 REVIEW BOARD IN PLACE NOW FOR FIVE YEARS TO SPEAK TO

10:21:10 CURRENT AND EXISTING MEMBERS INCLUDING THE CURRENT CHAIR

10:21:13 OF THE BOARD, TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND INPUT FOR

10:21:20 THINGS THAT MAY FURTHER THEIR PURPOSE FOR THE BOARD.

10:21:26 WE LOOK AT LITERATURE AND ARTICLES [RUSTLING PAPERS],

10:21:34 COVERED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD

10:21:36 RESOURCE.

10:21:36 OF COURSE, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WE MOST CERTAINLY --

10:21:41 TO THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE NOT

10:21:44 RUNNING AWE FOUL WITH THAT AND ALSO WENT THROUGH THE

10:21:47 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING [RUSTLING PAPERS] SECTIONS THAT




10:21:51 WILL BE APPLICABLE AND OF COURSE LOOKING AT CASE LAW THAT

10:21:56 IS EVALUATED WITH BOARD AND OTHER ISSUES ASSOCIATED THERE

10:22:00 WITH.

10:22:01 SO THIS IS NOT JUST A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE -- BUT

10:22:06 MAKING SURE ALONG THE WAY THAT STAKEHOLDERS WHICH GINA

10:22:11 MENTIONED, AND WE HAD SEVERAL HOURS OF CONVERSATION AT

10:22:14 THIS POINT WITH THE ACLU.

10:22:17 WE HAVE ALSO SPOKEN WITH THE NAACP, AND AGAIN THE CURRENT

10:22:22 AND PAST MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND GETTING INPUT FROM

10:22:27 THEM AS WELL THAT WE ARE MOVING THROUGH THIS

10:22:28 CONVERSATION.

10:22:30 THE FIRST SECTION THAT I WANT TO COVER IS THE ADDITIONAL

10:22:33 DUTIES OF THE CRB.

10:22:35 RIGHT I KNOW IN YOUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS 18-8, IN

10:22:39 THAT ORDINANCE, THE DUTIES OF THE CRB ARE SET FORTH IN

10:22:42 SUBSECTION C.

10:22:44 IN SUBSECTION C, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS IN ADDITION TO

10:22:47 THOSE EXISTING DUTIES THAT THE CHIEF JUST MENTIONED TO

10:22:51 YOU, ADDING THE REVIEW ALLOWING CRB TO REVIEW CERTAIN

10:22:57 PENDING INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

10:23:02 THE MORE SIGNIFICANT AND SUBSTANTIAL THINGS INVOLVING THE

10:23:05 USE OF FORCE, THE USE OF SOP 538, WHICH IS THE RESISTANCE

10:23:14 WHICH COVERS THOSE THINGS LIKE THE TASER, THE USE OF

10:23:17 K9s, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ALSO UNDER MOR 1600 AND MOR

10:23:24 1800 WHICH ARE ALSO TICKET ITEMS THAT BASICALLY WILL BE




10:23:28 OF INTEREST OF COMMUNITY.

10:23:29 WE WERE NOT IN THE PROCESS OF PROPOSING THAT THEY LOOK AT

10:23:33 THINGS LIKE OFFICERS MISSING COURT OR THINGS THAT HAPPEN

10:23:36 WITH THE EXTRA DUTY BUT TRYING TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS.

10:23:50 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT CLOSED AND COMPLETED USE OF FORCE

10:23:57 INCIDENTS ONLY, AND IT'S AFTER ALL HAVE BEEN MADE AS FAR

10:24:02 AS DISPOSITION OF THE COMPLAINT AND ALSO ALL DECISIONS

10:24:05 HAVE BEEN MADE REGARDING HOW AN OFFICER MIGHT BE

10:24:07 DISCIPLINED FOR THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT IF HE WAS FOUND

10:24:10 IN VIOLATION OF THE DEPARTMENT'S POLICIES.

10:24:13 WE PROPOSE AT THIS POINT THAT THE CRB BE ABLE TO

10:24:17 INTERVENE AND HAVE SOME INPUT AFTER WHAT'S CONSIDERED THE

10:24:21 INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE

10:24:23 OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS MAKES THE INVESTIGATION

10:24:27 CONFIDENTIAL, SO THAT MEANS ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED

10:24:29 WITH THE INVESTIGATION, WITNESSES, THAT TESTIFIED,

10:24:35 EVIDENCE THAT'S GATHERED, ALL OF THAT IS CONFIDENTIAL

10:24:38 ACCORDING TO THE OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS, UNTIL A

10:24:41 DISPOSITION HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND THE OFFICER IS

10:24:45 NOTIFIED OF THE POTENTIAL THAT HE MAY BE DISCIPLINED FOR

10:24:47 A VIOLATION OF POLICY.

10:24:49 THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE PROPOSE THAT THE CRB WOULD

10:24:52 HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN REVIEW THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES,

10:24:56 AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THEIR

10:24:59 DISPROPORTIONS OF THE COMPLAINT AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL




10:25:02 DISCIPLINE, OBVIOUSLY ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CRB

10:25:06 WOULD MAKE, AND THEY WOULD GET TRAINING IN THESE

10:25:08 DIFFERENT THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED WHERE THE

10:25:11 COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT

10:25:14 INTERNAL PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATION CONSIDERING THEY

10:25:17 GET THE EDUCATION SO THEY WILL KNOW HOW AND WHERE THEY

10:25:21 COULD WEIGH IN ON THAT SITUATION.

10:25:23 THE OTHER, BASED ON YOUR MOTION THAT YOU PROPOSED BACK ON

10:25:26 JUNE 4, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE ADDING THE ADDITIONAL DUTY

10:25:29 THAT THE CRB WILL REVIEW THE HIRING, THE CRITERIA FOR

10:25:37 PERSPECTIVE NEW OFFICERS AND ALSO PARTICIPATE IN A NEW

10:25:41 ENERGY PANEL.

10:25:42 AS WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL'S MOTION IN

10:25:45 CONSULTATION BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS BUILT CHIEF,

10:25:49 WHAT WE ENVISION FOR THE INVOLVEMENT FOR THE CRB IS

10:25:53 HAVING AN INTERVIEW PANEL THAT WILL CONSIST OF

10:25:56 APPROXIMATELY FIVE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE OUTSIDE RETIRED

10:26:01 POLICE OFFICERS, THREE INTERNAL POLICE OFFICERS, AND THEN

10:26:04 A MEMBER OF THE CRB AND PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED A WAY FOR

10:26:08 THEM TO SUGGEST MEMBERS AND ALSO ROTATE SO EVERY MEMBER

10:26:12 OF THE BOARD GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE HIRING

10:26:15 EXPERIENCE, AND THAT OF COURSE AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS,

10:26:19 WE ENVISION AS PART OF THE THEIR EDUCATION THEY WILL GET

10:26:23 TO LEARN WHAT MINIMUM MANDATORY CRITERIA IS REQUIRED BY

10:26:26 FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND ALSO WHAT THE




10:26:29 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS AS MINIMUM

10:26:34 QUALIFICATIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE FLORIDA

10:26:37 DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT REQUIRED.

10:26:39 AND OF COURSE THEIR PARTICIPATION, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE BY

10:26:42 EDUCATING THEM WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED WITH THE

10:26:45 DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY STANDARDS.

10:26:52 AN ADDITIONAL DUTY UNDER SECTION E IN THE CURRENT

10:26:56 ORDINANCE WE ARE PROPOSING -- AND THIS IS WHAT YOU MAY

10:26:59 HAVE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER IN THE PBA LETTER THAT WAS SENT

10:27:02 YESTERDAY -- IS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING OF COURSE WITHIN

10:27:06 THE CONFINES OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS, JUST SO THE

10:27:10 CRB IS AWARE OF WHAT KIND OF COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN,

10:27:14 THAT THEY WILL RECEIVE A MONTHLY NOTIFICATION OF ALL NEW

10:27:17 COMPLAINTS RECEIVED, OF COURSE PROPERLY REDACTED IN ORDER

10:27:22 TO ACCOUNT FOR THE CONFIDENTIALITY PROVISION BUT

10:27:25 EXISTENCE OF A COMPLAINT WE BELIEVE IS PROPERLY SOMETHING

10:27:29 THAT THE CRB CAN SEE THAT A COMPLAINT WAS MADE IF GIVEN A

10:27:33 CERTAIN CASE NUMBER, THAT THE COMPLAINT COME IN WITHOUT

10:27:39 ANY PARTICULARLY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION THAT MAY EXPOSE

10:27:45 I GUESS IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF THAT CONFIDENTIALITY SO THAT

10:27:48 THEY ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY CAN KEEP TRACK WHAT THE

10:27:51 STATUS OF THAT INVESTIGATION IS.

10:27:52 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CRB OF COURSE CURRENTLY HAS

10:27:56 THE LIBERTY TO DO, BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT

10:27:58 EXCLUSIVELY AT CLOSED INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASES AND THEY




10:28:03 RECEIVE A LIST OF THOSE CASES AND THEY SELECT FROM THAT

10:28:07 LIST AND THEN THEY REVIEW, BUT NOT NECESSARILY KNOWING

10:28:10 THAT THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE EVEN EXISTING IN THE FIRST

10:28:12 PLACE.

10:28:13 SO WE WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO

10:28:16 MONITOR COMPLAINTS FROM THEIR COMPLETION AND ALSO KEEP AN

10:28:20 EYE OUT FOR TRAINING THAT MAY BE HAPPENING WHEN THEY

10:28:23 RECEIVE THAT LIST, SO THEY KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON IT.

10:28:27 WE ALSO SUGGESTED THAT THE CRB BE ABLE TO RECEIVE

10:28:31 COMPLAINTS CURRENTLY FOR RECEIPT OF COMPLAINTS THROUGH

10:28:36 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND VARIOUS WAYS THAT A PERSON CAN

10:28:42 MAKE A COMPLAINT, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT BE

10:28:44 MORE COMFORTABLE WITH SENDING COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY TO THE

10:28:48 CRB ITSELF.

10:28:50 WE ANTICIPATE THAT BASICALLY THERE HE WOULD BE A CRB

10:28:53 E-MAIL WHERE THAT WOULD BE RECEIVED.

10:28:56 AND OF COURSE THAT E-MAIL IN ITSELF WILL BE PROTECTED,

10:28:59 AND ALSO CONFIDENCE TO THE EXTENT THAT IT REQUIRES BY THE

10:29:02 OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS BUT IT WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE

10:29:05 CHAIR OF THE CRB AND THEN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS

10:29:09 COORDINATOR OR THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD COORDINATOR TO

10:29:12 MAKE SURE THAT THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE RECEIVED IN THAT

10:29:15 E-MAIL ARE MOVED TO THE PROPER PROCESSING.

10:29:22 AND AS WE RESEARCHED, WE LEARNED THAT THE CRB CONDUCT A

10:29:27 COMMUNITY SURVEY BACK IN 2018 THAT BASICALLY PROBED THE




10:29:31 COMMUNITY'S PROFESSION OF TPD ENGAGEMENT AND ALSO SOME OF

10:29:35 THEIR POLICIES, AND THAT PARTICULAR SURVEY WAS VERY

10:29:38 HELPFUL AND THE CHAIR WAS VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THE FACT

10:29:42 THAT THAT WAS HOW THE CRB LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THINGS IN

10:29:47 LIGHT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ARE, AND NO MATTER

10:29:50 WHAT THE STATUS WAS, WHETHER IT WAS FEMALE, WHETHER

10:29:56 GENDER, OR ECONOMIC STATUS, OR WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS

10:29:58 RACE, THE TOP FIVE CATEGORIES WERE THE SAME FOR ALL

10:30:01 PEOPLE.

10:30:01 THE PRIORITY OF THOSE CATEGORIES MAY HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT

10:30:04 BUT THEY WERE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT THE STATUS WAS.

10:30:07 AND SO SEEING HOW HELPFUL THAT HAS BEEN, AND THAT IT

10:30:12 WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE MANDATING THAT THE CRB CONDUCT A

10:30:16 COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY THREE YEARS, THERE'S ROOM FOR

10:30:21 CHANGE, THE FREQUENCY OF THAT, BUT EVERY THREE YEARS IS

10:30:23 WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

10:30:25 DO THAT.

10:30:28 MOVING TO THE NEXT SECTION, WE HAVE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL

10:30:30 DUTIES FOR THE CRB COORDINATOR, AND IN YOUR CURRENT

10:30:34 ORDINANCE, THE CRB COORDINATOR, CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE

10:30:40 CAPPED PD AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS AS PART OF

10:30:45 ADDITIONAL DUTIES IS THAT HE QUO DO WORKSHOPS TO TRAIN

10:30:48 THE CRB ON ALL THE THINGS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND POLICE

10:30:52 WORK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN MORE EFFECTIVELY HAVE

10:30:57 OVERSIGHT OVER THE DEPARTMENT.




10:30:59 WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE COORDINATOR WOULD THEN TRAIN THE

10:31:02 CRB MEMBERS AT LEAST BIANNUALLY OR THEY CAN ELECT, THEY

10:31:07 MEANING THE BOARD, CAN ELECT TO BE TRAINED MORE

10:31:09 FREQUENTLY, IF THEY JUST REALLY NEED MORE INFORMATION

10:31:13 ABOUT.

10:31:13 AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE POLICY STANDARD, POLICIES

10:31:16 ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT ETHICS, POLICIES,

10:31:22 GRIEVANCE PROCESS, PUBLIC RECORDS, THE HIRING PROCESS OF

10:31:26 BODY-WORN CAMERAS.

10:31:27 THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

10:31:29 THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING AT LEAST AT EACH MEETING THAT THE

10:31:32 CAPTAIN GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON SOME OF THESE TOPICS

10:31:35 SO THE CRB IS CONSTANTLY BEING EDUCATED ABOUT LAW

10:31:39 ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT WORK SO THAT THEY ARE

10:31:43 ALWAYS CURRENT IN THE KNOWLEDGE FOR OVERSEEING THE

10:31:46 PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT.

10:31:48 WE WOULD ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT AN ADDITIONAL DUTY FOR THE

10:31:51 COORDINATOR OF CRB WOULD BE TO NOTIFY THE CRB WHICH NOW

10:31:55 THEY MAY GET INFORMATION BY THEIR ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE

10:32:02 FOR CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN OBLIGATION

10:32:06 BY THE CAPTAIN OF PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS TO TELL THE CRB

10:32:10 IN ADVANCE, 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE DEPARTMENT

10:32:14 IMPLEMENTING A NEW USE OF FORCE POLICY, TO BASICALLY GIVE

10:32:17 THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, I KNOW THEM ABOUT THE POLICY, AND

10:32:20 ALSO HAVE THE COORDINATOR GIVE SOME EXPANSION TO THEM




10:32:23 ABOUT THE POLICY DIRECTION OF WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING, AND

10:32:27 TO BE ALLOW THE CRB TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THAT.

10:32:30 AND THIS WOULD ALSO APPLY NOT JUST TO NEW POLICIES THAT

10:32:33 MAY BE PUT ONLINE.

10:32:36 FOR EXAMPLE, WE GET A NEW USE LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOL IF WE

10:32:39 GET NEW TASERS AND THINGS THAT I USE, BUT IF THEY GET A

10:32:45 NEW TOOL LIKE A TASER, YOU WE HAVE TO PROMULGATE A POLICY

10:32:49 THAT REGULATES AND CONTROLS THAT SO THEY WOULD KNOW IN

10:32:51 ADVANCE THAT WE ARE GETTING THIS TOOL, BUT, B, WHAT THE

10:32:54 RULES WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TOOL.

10:32:56 AND WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD BE NOTIFIED IF

10:32:59 THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO ANY

10:33:02 EXISTING USE OF FORCE POLICY.

10:33:04 AND THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COORDINATOR

10:33:07 WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE.

10:33:12 AND ALSO IN THE CURRENT STATUTES RIGHT NOW, YOUR

10:33:16 ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS UNDER SUBSECTION G, THERE

10:33:20 IS ALREADY A REPORT THAT THE CRB PROVIDES OWN AN ANNUAL

10:33:25 BASIS TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN

10:33:28 AND WHAT WE PROPOSE FOR BEEFING UP THE ADDITIONAL REPORT.

10:33:33 AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SUGGESTIONS THAT THE

10:33:36 COORDINATOR OR CHAIR OF THE CRB COME AND PRESENT THAT

10:33:41 WHICH IS A GOOD SUGGESTION, THAT THE CHAIR OF THE CRB

10:33:44 WOULD COME ON AN ANNUAL BASIS WITH THE ANNUAL REPORT TO

10:33:47 PRESENT IT FOR CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO




10:33:51 LEARN WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING.

10:33:53 AND AS A PART OF THAT WE ANTICIPATE THAT ANNUAL REPORT

10:33:57 WOULD NECESSARILY INCLUDE THE CRB'S ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO

10:34:00 COMMENT ON THE SERVICE, AND ALSO FOR THEM WHO HAVE BEEN

10:34:05 PERFORMING THE WORK TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE

10:34:07 CHANGES, ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE.

10:34:12 GOING TO YOUR SECTION ABOUT QUALIFICATIONS AND PROMISE

10:34:16 ABOUT QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS, THE MEMBERSHIP, WHICH

10:34:19 IS CURRENTLY IN SECTION D OF THE ORDINANCE 18-8-A, WE

10:34:26 WOULD PROPOSE THAT ADDITIONAL MEMBERS DISQUALIFICATION

10:34:30 WOULD BE IF YOU WERE ARRESTED BY THE TPD, BECAUSE IT'S

10:34:33 SUPPOSED TO BE AN UNBIASED PANEL, OR IF YOU ARE SUING OR

10:34:38 IF YOU HAVE SUED TPD, NOT FOR INJURY ACCIDENT OR

10:34:43 SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE BUT WITH SOME TYPE OF ACTIVE

10:34:46 POLICE ACTIVITY SUCH AS MAKING AN ARREST OR USE OF FORCE,

10:34:49 THAT WOULD BE A DISQUALIFIER.

10:34:53 AND IF YOU MAKE A NEW CLAIM WHILE SERVING ON THE BOARD,

10:34:56 THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BASICALLY NECESSITY

10:35:00 YOUR REMOVAL OF THE BOARD IF YOU IMPLEMENT A NEW LAWSUIT

10:35:02 FOR THOSE PURPOSES.

10:35:05 WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING ADDITIONAL MEMBERSHIP FROM

10:35:09 ORGANIZATIONS.

10:35:10 RIGHT IN AND OUT THE WAY THE BOARD IS STRUCTURED, THAT

10:35:12 THEY ARE FIVE MEMBERS SELECTED BY THE MAYOR, FOUR MEMBERS

10:35:16 BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY TWO




10:35:19 VACANT ALTERNATE POSITIONS, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS

10:35:24 SOME BUY-IN, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THAT SOME ORGANIZATIONS

10:35:29 INCLUDING THE NAACP TAKE ONE OF THOSE AVAILABLE, TWO

10:35:34 AVAILABLE SEATS, AND ALSO MAYBE FROM USF OR UNIVERSITY OF

10:35:38 TAMPA, THEIR CRIMINOLOGY DEPARTMENT, MAYBE AN EXTERNAL

10:35:42 ORGANIZATION TAKING A SEAT ON THE BOARD TO ALSO WEIGH IN

10:35:46 WITHIN THEIR INPUT.

10:35:48 AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES,

10:35:51 WE ARE PROPOSING, WE ARE PROPOSING AS PART OF THAT

10:35:53 ACCESSIBILITY AND HIGHLIGHTING THE VISIBILITY OF THE CRB,

10:35:57 WE ARE PROPOSING THE CREATION OF A CRB WEBSITE.

10:36:00 AND THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY CRB CENTRAL FOR ALL

10:36:03 INFORMATION ABOUT WHO IS ON THE BOARD, WHAT IS THE TERM

10:36:07 ON THE BOARD, WHEN DOES THAT TERM EXPIRE, HOW IT'S MAKING

10:36:10 APPLICATION TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, HOW TO MAKE

10:36:14 ANY COMPLAINT AGAINST THE POLICE OFFICER, ALL CENTRALLY

10:36:18 LOCATED IN ONE SPOT.

10:36:19 WHAT WE ALSO ANTICIPATE DOING AS FAR AS VISIBILITY IS

10:36:22 DURING THE ACTUAL TELEVISED MEETING, WHICH USUALLY

10:36:25 HAPPENS ON THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 6:00, IS

10:36:28 THAT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CRAWLER THAT WOULD STILL

10:36:33 ADVERTISE THEIR E-MAIL ADDRESS, THEIR WEBSITE ADDRESS,

10:36:36 AND ALSO HOW TO MAKE A COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER

10:36:39 SO THE COMMUNITY IS ALSO ALWAYS BEING EDUCATED AND

10:36:42 UPDATED ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.




10:36:44 AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S

10:36:48 ALWAYS ACCESS TO THE CRB IN THE COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST IN

10:36:51 ONE LOCATION, IS THAT THE CRB HOLD MEETINGS AT VARIOUS

10:36:54 COMMUNITY SITES IN EACH OF THE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS,

10:36:58 TOWN HALL, IF YOU WILL, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS THE

10:37:01 PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE CRB.

10:37:04 AND OF COURSE THE MEETINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE TELEVISED.

10:37:07 AND THOSE ARE A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ABOVE AND

10:37:12 BEYOND THE MOTIONS MADE BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

10:37:20 >>GINA GRIMES: WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, HEARING COUNCIL'S

10:37:23 FEEDBACK ON THESE PROPOSALS, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

10:37:31 HAVE QUESTIONS NOW, YOU CAN DO SO.

10:37:36 AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF

10:37:39 THE POSITIONS STATED BY THE ACLU AND THE PBA.

10:37:44 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO THAT NOW OR

10:37:48 TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW.

10:37:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.

10:37:53 ITEM NUMBER 8, BECAUSE IT IS IMPLICIT BY THE DISCUSSION

10:37:57 THERE, I WAS THINKING SINCE THIS ALL KIND OF TIES IN

10:38:01 TOGETHER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS NOW OR WOULD YOU

10:38:04 WANT TO HOLD OFF UNTIL LATER IN THE AGENDA?

10:38:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S YOUR DECISION.

10:38:13 EITHER WAY.

10:38:13 WE ARE PREPARED TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION.

10:38:15 ANDREA ZELMAN, OUR DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY, IS PREPARED TO




10:38:20 PROVIDE THAT PRESENTATION ON THE IMPLICIT BIAS ORDINANCE

10:38:26 TRAINING.

10:38:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL

10:38:29 IF WE TAKE NUMBER 8 NOW?

10:38:31 BECAUSE I THINK IT TIES IN WELL WITH THE ENTIRE

10:38:33 DISCUSSION.

10:38:34 COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS WAS YOUR DISCUSSION.

10:38:36 WHAT DO YOU THINK?

10:38:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:38:39 YOU KNOW, IT DOES TIE IN RELATED 110%.

10:38:43 I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

10:38:46 MAYBE SINCE MY SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE THEM

10:38:52 AT SEPARATE TIMES, AND DISCUSS THAT.

10:38:56 AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE EITHER

10:39:00 CONCURRENTLY OR AFTER ONE ANOTHER.

10:39:02 MAYBE AFTER ONE ANOTHER WOULD LEAD TO A BETTER

10:39:05 DISTINCTION.

10:39:06 AT THE VERY LEAST I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION TO HAVE CLOSE

10:39:09 IN PROXIMITY IS VERY WELL TAKEN, MR. CHAIR.

10:39:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [RUSTLING PAPERS]

10:39:19 WHOEVER IS RUSTLING PAPERS, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE.

10:39:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:39:21 WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION NOW FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEN

10:39:23 WE'LL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 8 AND THEN DISCUSS THAT, IN

10:39:29 LINE, SINCE I THINK IT ALL TIES IN.




10:39:31 SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ON ITEMS 1 AND 2, I WILL MIX IT UP.

10:39:35 COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO KICK OFF THE

10:39:37 DISCUSSION?

10:39:38 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

10:39:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME START OFF BY SAYING WONDERFUL

10:39:49 PRESENTATION BY MS. RICHARDSON.

10:39:51 COUNCIL, AS YOU MAY KNOW, I MADE THIS MOTION BECAUSE I

10:39:53 KNOW OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT DO HAPPEN IN-HOUSE, OUT OF

10:40:01 THE HOUSE.

10:40:02 AND I KNOW FROM AT ONE TIME I WAS A POLICE OFFICER AND I

10:40:09 UNDERSTAND POLICE PROCEDURES AND ISSUES, PROCESS AND SO

10:40:13 FORTH AND SO ON.

10:40:15 BUT I GOT ELECTED CITY COUNCIL BY THE TAXPAYERS.

10:40:20 SO NOT ONLY A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER, I'M A CITY COUNCIL

10:40:25 MEMBER.

10:40:25 AND I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE PUBLIC IS ASKING IS

10:40:30 DOABLE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THERE ARE LEGAL

10:40:35 PROCEDURES AND POLICIES, FOLLOW PROCEDURES WELL.

10:40:52 BUT I AM ALWAYS MINDFUL THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD

10:40:57 POLICE OFFICERS, AND THERE ARE SOME BAD ONES.

10:41:00 BUT WITH POLICING TODAY, THE CHANGE TO MORE ARREST AND

10:41:08 CRIME, BUT I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY IN WORKING

10:41:12 WITH PEOPLE, YOU CAN STILL REDUCE CRIME.

10:41:14 AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PART OF.

10:41:19 AND WHEN YOU ARE OUT THERE COACHING YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY




10:41:25 KNOW.

10:41:40 I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN GET BACK, AND I KNOW SOME OF THE

10:41:45 OFFICERS ARE ANGERED THAT I MADE THE MOTION ABOUT THE CRB

10:41:50 BOARD.

10:41:54 BUT I STILL SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A PLACE THAT

10:42:00 I BELIEVE YOU CAN GO, GET A JOB, THOSE WHO -- A LOT OF

10:42:07 OUR COLLEAGUES AT MY RETIREMENT DID NOT HAVE COLLEGE.

10:42:11 THEY CAME ON, AND THEY WOULD MAKE A LIVING, GO ON AND GET

10:42:16 A BETTER EDUCATION, AND TO ME I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO

10:42:22 HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, BUT TO BE A

10:42:25 PERSON -- AND I ALWAYS SAY IN THE COMMUNITY, NEVER BEEN

10:42:30 AROUND DIFFERENT PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT CULTURES, YOU DON'T

10:42:33 KNOW.

10:42:33 SO YOU GET IN AN AREA AND YOU ARE ALWAYS TOLD BAD PEOPLE,

10:42:40 BAD THINGS.

10:42:43 AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID BEFORE YOU HAVE A BADGE AND A GUN

10:42:48 YOU SHOULD BE IN A CLASS WHERE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT

10:42:50 CULTURE OF PEOPLE, SO WHEN YOU GET IN N THAT CAR, YOU

10:42:53 KNOW MS. JONES WHO LIVES AT THE CORNER, NOW MR. aND

10:42:58 MRS. SMITH, BUT HEY, HE'S NOT HURTING ANYBODY.

10:43:02 HE'LL COMPLY WHEN YOU TELL HIM WHAT TO DO.

10:43:05 BUT I LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW ON THE

10:43:08 SCREEN.

10:43:10 I THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON THE HIRING

10:43:13 BOARD.




10:43:13 WHEN I LOOK AT THE CHIEF, RETIRED AND OTHER POLICE

10:43:17 OFFICERS, AND A COMMUNITY LEADER OR CITIZEN, SHOULD BE ON

10:43:21 THAT BOARD.

10:43:22 TO ME THERE'S TOO MANY POLICE OFFICERS ON THAT BOARD.

10:43:26 AGAIN I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE IS ANY DIVERSITY ON THAT

10:43:30 BOARD.

10:43:31 IF YOU HAVE A POLICE CHIEF AND FOUR OFFICERS, A AND YOU

10:43:37 THEY UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU

10:43:43 CAN IDENTIFY AND RELATE, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT HAPPENED.

10:43:46 AND ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MAKING SURE YOU HAVE DIVERSITY.

10:43:50 AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE MOTION LAST WEEK, TO MAKE SURE

10:43:53 THAT WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE.

10:43:55 AND I HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT THE

10:43:59 WORD SHOULD BE FIRST RESPONDERS, NOT JUST THE POLICE, BUT

10:44:05 WE HAVE ISSUES IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

10:44:10 TO ME I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT TO ME RIGHT NOW IS THE

10:44:14 HIRING POLICY, AND LOOK AT HOW WE CAN STRENGTHEN THAT

10:44:18 BETTER ACROSS THE BOARD.

10:44:20 I HEARD MS. GRIMES TALK EARLY ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER AND SO

10:44:27 FORTH AND SO ON.

10:44:28 AS YOU KNOW, I SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.

10:44:36 IN THE FIRST PLACE ON THAT BOARD, I SAID TELL ME ABOUT

10:44:41 SUBPOENA POWER.

10:44:41 AND AT THAT TIME, THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE BECAUSE.

10:44:55 SO I KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS SUBPOENA POWER.




10:44:57 BUT I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET AROUND IT.

10:45:00 I DON'T THINK WE CAN RIGHT I KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR

10:45:02 CHARTER EITHER.

10:45:03 I THINK ANYTHING THAT SUBPOENA POWER HAS TO GO IN THE

10:45:07 CHARTER TO BE ENACTED.

10:45:08 BUT I AM GOING TO ASK LATER, TODAY IS JUST A WORKSHOP, SO

10:45:14 I CAN GET BETTER CLARIFICATION ON THE ISSUE.

10:45:19 I WANT TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION, HOW TO WORK WITH

10:45:21 CITIZENS GETTING A SUBPOENA, WHAT IS THE LEGAL RIGHT OF

10:45:23 THE SUBPOENAING PEOPLE, AND THAT THE CITY WOULDN'T BE

10:45:29 SUED AND TAKING MONEY FROM PUBLIC AREAS THAT WE NEED TO

10:45:33 PUT IN COMMUNITIES.

10:45:35 SO I WANT TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT LATER ON IF

10:45:40 WE CAN.

10:45:41 I YIELD BACK.

10:45:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:45:42 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR

10:45:44 COMMENTS, SIR?

10:45:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:45:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.

10:45:53 (BELL RINGS)

10:45:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?

10:45:59 >> (BELL RINGS).

10:46:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU HEAR US, COUNCILMAN

10:46:08 DINGFELDER?




10:46:09 WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

10:46:10 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:46:15 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:46:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

10:46:20 TO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE MR. GUDES WAS JUST SAYING, JUST

10:46:26 ADDRESS THAT THE GREAT MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR POLICE

10:46:29 DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THIS WHOLE

10:46:33 DISCUSSION IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEM.

10:46:35 I MEAN, SURE THERE ARE BAD ACTORS, BUT OUR COMMUNITY

10:46:40 NEEDS OUR POLICE.

10:46:41 THEY NEED OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

10:46:43 WE NEED THEM TO WORK HARD FOR US AND WE NEED THEM TO

10:46:46 PREVENT CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY.

10:46:48 IN LOTS OF WAYS IT'S ASKING THAT WE SUPPORT THEM AND

10:46:53 REMEDIATING CRIMES.

10:46:58 THE GENESIS OF THIS WAS TO TRY TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

10:47:01 IF WE GO BACK IN TIME YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT THIS CAME

10:47:06 FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF A POLICY THAT WAS BEING

10:47:09 RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BY THE

10:47:12 LAST MAYOR AT THE TIME.

10:47:13 THE POLICY THAT THE POLICE PUT IN, OR INDIVIDUAL POLICE

10:47:17 OFFICERS PUT IN, IT WAS BY THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.

10:47:19 SO THE COMMUNITY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE WANT CONTROL, AND

10:47:24 ONE OF THEM WAS THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.

10:47:29 THE CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP, THEY PUSHED FOR THIS, AND THE




10:47:33 REASON WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS BECAUSE THE LAST

10:47:37 MAYOR WENT BACK AND FORTH AND COMPLAINED AND RANTED ABOUT

10:47:41 MAKING SURE THAT HE CONTROLLED IT INSTEAD OF THE CITIZENS

10:47:47 AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

10:47:48 AND THERE WAS A PETTY CRIME RATE.

10:47:52 SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS -- THE REASON WHY WE HAD THIS

10:47:57 ISSUE IS BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE -- SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO

10:48:03 WITH HOW WE FEEL ABOUT POLICE.

10:48:07 THERE ARE ISSUES LIKE THE BALANCE OF THE BOARD AND OTHER

10:48:11 ISSUES THAT ACLU BROUGHT UP, AND YOU WANT TO THANK MS.

10:48:18 GRIMES AND OTHERS IN THE DEPARTMENT.

10:48:23 I BELIEVE IN HAVING A DIALOGUE.

10:48:26 AND IT'S GOOD THAT WE HEARD BACK FROM PBA AND WE CONTINUE

10:48:30 TO HEAR BACK FROM THE PUBLIC.

10:48:31 MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE GROUPS THAT SPOKE THIS MORNING

10:48:34 FROM TAMPA JUSTICE AND ACLU THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE

10:48:37 RESPONDING TO THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL WITH A MARKED-UP COPY

10:48:40 THAT WE WILL RECEIVE SOMETIME IN THE NEXT WEEK, AND ALSO

10:48:45 THANK THE NEW MAYOR FOR TAKING THE POSITION ON THIS AND

10:48:49 STEPPING OUT AND TRYING TO REMEDIATE THE SITUATION.

10:48:53 IN THE NEXT WEEK WHEN WE GET THE PROPOSAL, STAFF'S

10:48:58 PROPOSAL AND ACLU AND TAMPA JUSTICE AND ALSO HEAR

10:49:02 FEEDBACK FROM PBA, WHEN WE GET READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO

10:49:07 SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES

10:49:09 AND ALSO LEGAL ADVICE SO WE CAN MAKE SOUND LEGAL




10:49:13 DECISIONS.

10:49:14 THANK YOU ALL.

10:49:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:49:15 I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

10:49:18 HE HAD A TECHNICAL GLITCH.

10:49:19 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU ON?

10:49:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

10:49:23 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?

10:49:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

10:49:25 GO AHEAD.

10:49:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:49:28 JUST A COUPLE THINGS.

10:49:35 FIRST, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MS. GRIMES AND HER STAFF

10:49:38 INCLUDING MS. RICHARDSON AND THE ADMINISTRATION, THE

10:49:41 CHIEF AND THE MAYOR FOR A GOOD START ON SOME OF THOSE

10:49:45 REVISIONS THAT MS. RICHARDSON WENT THROUGH.

10:49:48 I THINK IT'S A GOOD START, THAT IT SHOULD BE A

10:49:58 COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE COUNCIL, AND I THINK

10:50:01 THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF THIS IS OUR

10:50:08 OPPORTUNITY TO START COLLABORATING AND GETTING FEEDBACK.

10:50:11 MS. GRIMES, BEFORE I GET INTO SOME SPECIFICS, I JUST HAD

10:50:15 ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

10:50:20 YOU MENTIONED THE PBA LETTER.

10:50:22 AND I HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE PBA LETTER YESTERDAY, AND

10:50:26 I ALSO READ THE OPINION OF THE COOPER, AND WHICH CAME OUT




10:50:32 OF KEY WEST 15 YEARS AGO, WHICH STRUCK SUBSECTION 4 WHICH

10:50:36 THE PBA LETTER IS RELYING, AT LEAST HALF OF THEIR LETTER

10:50:41 WAS RELYING ON.

10:50:42 I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE BEST

10:50:47 LEGAL ADVICE POSSIBLE, THE PBA TRIED TO GIVE US LEGAL

10:50:50 ADVICE, IT APPEARED TO ME -- AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL PART OF

10:50:58 THAT STATUTE WHICH IS SUBSECTION 4.

10:51:00 DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, THAT SUBSECTION 4 WAS FOUND

10:51:05 UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE COURT AND THAT THEREFORE WE

10:51:11 SHOULD DISCARD THAT PORTION OF THE PBA LETTER?

10:51:14 AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IF WE GOT

10:51:19 INVOLVED IN THIS WE COULD BE COMMITTING MISDEMEANOR.

10:51:22 I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

10:51:25 AND I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT, BUT I THINK WE

10:51:28 HAVE A MISLEADING LETTER THERE.

10:51:39 >>GINA GRIMES: THEY ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR

10:51:40 SHALL YOU BUT ALSO FOUND IN SECTION 4 LANGUAGE THAT

10:51:42 SUPPORTS OUR PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THE CRB TO BE MADE AWARE

10:51:50 OF THE EXISTENCE OF A COMPLAINT.

10:51:53 OUR PROPOSAL SAYS THAT THAT WILL BE -- WILL BE NUMBERED

10:51:59 AND TRACKED, AND THAT THE CRB ON A MONTHLY BASIS WILL BE

10:52:04 MADE AWARE OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE COMPLAINT.

10:52:06 NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICE OFFICERS' NAMES OR DETAILS

10:52:12 ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS, ABOUT YOU THE FACT THAT A COMPLAINT

10:52:15 WAS REGARDING A CERTAIN ISSUE WAS IN FACT FILED.




10:52:20 AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A

10:52:24 COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEM.

10:52:27 AND JUST TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT SECTION 4 ALSO SAYS,

10:52:30 BECAUSE THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE THINK THE CRB AND

10:52:37 CITIZENS A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT COMPLAINTS.

10:52:40 >> IN THE PBA LETTER THEY ARE REFERENCING SECTION 4, 112,

10:52:44 533, FLORIDA STATUTE 112-533, SUBSECTION 4, AND THAT

10:52:51 SECTION IS THE SECTION WHERE ESSENTIALLY IT MAKES IT A

10:52:54 MISDEMEANOR FOR ANYBODY WHO IS PARTICIPATING IN THE

10:52:58 INVESTIGATION INCLUDING THE PERSON WHO COMPLAINED, ANY OF

10:53:02 THE WITNESSES, THE INVESTIGATOR, THE OFFICER WHO IS THE

10:53:05 SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATION OR EVEN THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL

10:53:08 AND MAKES AT MISDEMEANOR FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO DISCLOSE

10:53:12 INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN OBTAINED DURING THE

10:53:14 INVESTIGATION SUCH AS WHAT THE WITNESSES SAID, ALSO WHAT

10:53:18 EVIDENCE HAS BEEN GATHERED, AND MAKES IT VERY SPECIFIC IT

10:53:21 APPLIES TO THOSE PEOPLE.

10:53:23 BUT THAT SECTION GOES ON FURTHER TO SAY, ADDITIONALLY HIS

10:53:35 DESIGNEE IS NOT PRECLUDED FROM THE EXISTENCE OF A

10:53:38 COMPLAINT AND THAT THE INVESTIGATION IS UNDERWAY AND

10:53:40 THAT'S ALL WE ARE PROPOSING IS THAT THE CRB CAN HAVE AN

10:53:43 IDEA OF WHAT TYPES OF THINGS ARE COMING IN.

10:53:47 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE HAS THE WORDS REDACTED IN IT

10:53:50 BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WILL NOT NAME THE

10:53:54 COMPLAINANT, IT WILL NOT NAME THE OFFICER WHO MAY BE THE




10:53:57 SUBJECT OF THAT INVESTIGATION, BUT CERTAINLY BE MADE

10:54:01 AWARE THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN OPEN ON A POLICE

10:54:04 SHOOTING WHICH BY POLICY IS REQUIRED, WE DON'T BELIEVE

10:54:10 THAT IS OUT OF THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

10:54:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THAT STARTED OUT BY MAKING

10:54:19 CHANGES.

10:54:20 THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION.

10:54:21 MY QUESTION WAS, SPECIFIC TO THE COOPER CASE, THE COOPER

10:54:25 CASE AS I READ IT, 15 YEARS AGO THE CIRCUIT STRUCK DOWN A

10:54:35 PROVISION OF A THREAT OF A MISDEMEANOR AS RELATED TO (4)

10:54:42 AND YET THE PBA ATTORNEY RELIED ON THAT.

10:54:45 NO ATTORNEY IN THE CITY HAS DISPUTED THAT.

10:54:49 BUT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

10:54:53 SPECIFICALLY HERE ON THE COOPER CASE AS RELATED TO (4)

10:54:58 ARE WE AT RISK OF A MISDEMEANOR IN PURSUING ANY OF THIS

10:55:01 AS THE PBA ATTORNEY SAID?

10:55:03 >> IT'S OUR POSITION THAT WE ARE NOT, AND THAT THE CRB --

10:55:14 IT'S NOT CONFIDENTIAL THAT SOMEONE HAS MADE A COMPLAINT

10:55:17 WHEN THE NEWS MEDIA REPORTS THAT SOMEBODY HAS OPENED AN

10:55:22 INVESTIGATION OR THAT THEY HAVE MADE A COMPLAINT.

10:55:24 THAT PERSON BY THE VERY NATURE -- I NEED TO GET FAMILIAR

10:55:34 WITH THE COOPER CASE, BUT I DIDN'T FIND A SINGLE CASE OF

10:55:37 ANYONE EVER BEING PROSECUTED UNDER 112-533 SUBSECTION 4.

10:55:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

10:55:45 THE COOPER CASE WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE PROSECUTION OF THE




10:55:49 GENTLEMAN IN KEY WEST WHO WAS PROSECUTED AND THE COURT

10:55:55 STRUCK IT.

10:55:55 BUT LISTEN, I'M ONLY ALLOWED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SO

10:56:00 LET ME MOVE ON TO MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND I GUESS I THINK

10:56:09 IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT THE RICHARDSON DESCRIBED

10:56:14 THIS ORDINANCE AS, QUOTE, YOUR ORDINANCE.

10:56:17 THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO.

10:56:19 AND I KNOW WHAT SHE MEANT.

10:56:21 IT'S REALLY THE CITY'S ORDINANCE, THAT THE CITIZENS IN

10:56:25 THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT IN REALITY,

10:56:29 IT'S THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER THE CHARTER

10:56:34 TO AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION THAT BUT I

10:56:43 BELIEVE IT'S A STANDING COMMITTEE, AND AS A STANDING

10:56:47 COMMITTEE, BY ORDINANCE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO AMEND IT.

10:56:52 OBVIOUSLY IF WE AMEND IT, THAT WOULD GO TO THE MAYOR, THE

10:56:55 MAYOR HAS THE ABILITY TO SIGN THE AMENDMENT OR TO VETO

10:56:59 THE AMENDMENT.

10:57:00 AND THEN THAT WOULD COME BACK TO US AS A VETO. ANYWAY,

10:57:05 THAT'S ALL DOWN THE ROAD.

10:57:06 I HOPE WE CAN ALL CONTINUE TO GET ALONG AND MAKE

10:57:09 IMPROVEMENTS.

10:57:09 THAT'S JUST ONE ATTORNEY'S OPINION ON THAT, AND MY

10:57:12 OPINION.

10:57:16 LET ME FINISH UP IF YOU WOULD, GINA. LET ME GET TO THE

10:57:19 SUBSTANCE.




10:57:21 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

10:57:24 COUPLE OF VERY MINOR MOTIONS.

10:57:29 AND MOTIONS TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE, TO DIRECT LEGAL STAFF

10:57:35 TO DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TO BRING BACK TO US AT A LATER

10:57:37 DATE WHENEVER WE START DISCUSSING THIS AGAIN.

10:57:40 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN LUMP THEM ALL TOGETHER OR I CAN

10:57:43 DO THEM SEPARATELY.

10:57:44 BUT BASICALLY, THE FOUR ISSUES THAT MANY RESIDENTS HAVE

10:57:49 WRITTEN TO US AND SPOKEN TO US TODAY, THAT THEY WOULD

10:57:52 LIKE TO SEE ADDRESSED THE NEXT TIME WE TALK.

10:57:55 AND I AM NOT SAYING THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO SUPPORT

10:57:57 IT.

10:57:58 I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVEN COUNCIL NEEDS TO SUPPORT THESE

10:58:02 INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.

10:58:03 BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET LEGAL STAFF TO

10:58:07 DRAFT UP SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE COULD SUBSEQUENTLY VOTE ON

10:58:11 DOWN THE ROAD.

10:58:12 MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL LOOK FOR YOUR GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF

10:58:16 PROCESS ON THAT.

10:58:21 I CAN BUNDLE WITH THEM TOGETHER.

10:58:22 I CAN DO THEM SEPARATELY.

10:58:24 THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.

10:58:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL THE

10:58:27 OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK?

10:58:28 WE HAVE A FEW MORE.




10:58:29 AND THEN AFTER COUNCIL MEMBERS -- SO WE COULD HEAR FROM

10:58:35 EVERYBODY.

10:58:36 BUNDLE THEM?

10:58:38 I DO ASK THAT NO MOTIONS BE MADE TILL AUGUST 6 WHICH IS

10:58:43 AROUND THE CORNER.

10:58:44 I HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME, TO GIVE SUFFICIENT

10:58:48 PUBLIC NOTICE AND WHATNOT, CONSIDERING THE VIRTUAL

10:58:50 CIRCUMSTANCES HERE.

10:58:52 BUT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, LET'S WAIT UNTIL A COUPLE

10:58:55 OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK.

10:58:56 WE'LL CLOSE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE MOTIONS

10:59:00 AT THAT POINT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

10:59:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.

10:59:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT IT?

10:59:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

10:59:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WITH YOUR

10:59:10 MOTION.

10:59:10 NEXT UP IS COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO.

10:59:12 THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA FOLLOWED BY VIERA.

10:59:15 AND THEN I WILL TAKE IT AT THE END.

10:59:17 COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS COMMENTS OR

10:59:19 QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

10:59:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND

10:59:24 I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.

10:59:25 CHIEF DUGAN, IF YOU ARE STILL THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO




10:59:28 THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT'S

10:59:33 FAIR AND IMPARTIAL COMMUNITY WORKSHOP LAST WEDNESDAY THE

10:59:36 22ND.

10:59:37 I WAS VERY IMPRESSED BY THE FACILITATOR.

10:59:42 THE ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT I HAD WAS THAT I WAS EXPECTING

10:59:46 THAT TO BE A PACKED HOUSE FULL OF CONCERNED CITIZENS TO

10:59:52 HEAR ABOUT THE WORKSHOP AND THE NEWS THAT TPD WAS

10:59:58 BRINGING.

10:59:59 I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WERE SO MANY EMPTY SEATS.

11:00:01 I DID SEE MEMBERS FROM THE ACLU THERE, ALSO COMMUNITY

11:00:05 MEMBERS, AND A LOT OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL

11:00:10 THAT WERE THERE.

11:00:11 SO CHIEF, I TRULY THANK YOU FOR THAT INVITATION.

11:00:16 MR. CHAIR, AND -- I'M SORRY, CHIEF, ARE YOU THERE?

11:00:22 >>CHIEF DUGAN: I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.

11:00:28 THANK YOU.

11:00:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THERE ARE SOME ASKS THAT I

11:00:32 WOULD LIKE.

11:00:33 I WOULD LIKE IN THIS PRESENTATION.

11:00:36 ONE IS A QUALIFICATION FOR ANY NEW CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD

11:00:40 MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BECOME OR INTERESTED IN, AND

11:00:45 THAT IS THAT EACH NEW MEMBER THAT IS BROUGHT ON ALSO GOES

11:00:53 THROUGH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CITIZENS POLICE

11:00:58 ACADEMY.

11:00:59 I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.




11:01:02 AND I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE WITHIN A THREE-MONTH

11:01:05 PERIOD OF BEING SELECTED FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.

11:01:10 THIS BOARD IS ESTABLISHED TO BETTER POLICE RELATIONSHIPS

11:01:15 WITH THE COMMUNITY, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND TO

11:01:18 PROVIDE MUCH MORE TRANSPARENCY.

11:01:23 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION

11:01:29 AND THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPOINTED TO THE

11:01:31 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING LIKE I

11:01:33 HAVE, LIKE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HAVE, FOR INSIGHT

11:01:43 INTO WHAT POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND HE HAVE

11:01:46 DAY.

11:01:46 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS OF

11:01:52 THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SELECTED FOR THE REVIEW

11:01:54 BOARD HAVE NOT BEEN ARRESTED BY TPD AND/OR HAVE LAWSUITS

11:02:01 PENDING AGAINST TPD.

11:02:03 AGAIN, I THINK WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS.

11:02:05 I FEEL WE ARE MOVING FORWARD.

11:02:07 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COME VERY, VERY SOON

11:02:10 AGAIN.

11:02:10 THANK YOU FOR STAFF, MR. CHAIR.

11:02:11 THAT'S ALL AT THIS TIME.

11:02:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:02:14 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

11:02:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.

11:02:18 LIKEWISE TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S




11:02:21 SAYING AND I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS, AND I HOPE WHAT

11:02:24 HE'S SAYING COMES UP THERE REALITY IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR

11:02:28 SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SERVE IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT BOARD.

11:02:32 I'M NOT PREPARED AT THIS TIME, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW

11:02:35 EXACTLY WHAT THE MOTIONS ARE GOING TO BE THAT ARE GOING

11:02:38 TO BE PUT ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCIL MEMBERS REGARDING THE

11:02:41 SUBJECT MATTER.

11:02:43 I'M HERE TODAY TO UNDERSTAND, GET MORE INFORMATION OF THE

11:02:46 FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED SO IN THE FUTURE, THE VERY NEAR

11:02:49 FUTURE, I WOULD SAY, I CAN MAKE MY OWN MIND, MY OWN

11:02:53 DECISION OF HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHETHER

11:02:56 WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT, WHETHER WE WILL OR WON'T, AND

11:02:59 ALL THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.

11:03:01 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS ARE THAT ARE GOING TO BE

11:03:05 VOTED ON TODAY.

11:03:06 BUT IF ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO

11:03:10 DO PRESENTLY, I NEED SOME TIME TO UNDERSTAND ALL THE

11:03:14 RAMIFICATIONS AND ALL THE PLUSES AND MINUSES ON THIS VERY

11:03:18 IMPORTANT VOTE THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE TODAY.

11:03:20 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW.

11:03:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL MEMBER

11:03:24 MIRANDA.

11:03:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN I WILL WRAP IT UP AND WE'LL GO

11:03:28 TO MOTIONS.

11:03:28 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.




11:03:31 THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WORK IN NAVIGATING

11:03:33 TODAY'S MEETING UNDER ALWAYS VERY DIFFICULT

11:03:37 CIRCUMSTANCES.

11:03:37 I THANK MY COLLEAGUES AND EVERYBODY FOR THEIR WORDS THAT

11:03:41 HAVE BEEN SAID TODAY.

11:03:41 I THINK JUST ONE THING THAT I THINK IS WORTH REPEATING

11:03:44 WHICH IS THAT THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS HERE HAVE

11:03:47 NOTHING FROM THIS COUNCIL WITH REGARDS TO DO WITH

11:03:49 ATTACKING LAW ENFORCEMENT.

11:03:51 I THINK ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS ABOUT MY FEELINGS FOR

11:03:54 OUR FIRST RESPONDERS INCLUDING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND

11:03:57 POLICE OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

11:04:00 WE HONEST THAT WORK BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT BEING TROUBLED

11:04:04 OR OUTRAGED OVER WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BY THE POLICE FEELING

11:04:09 THERE'S A NEED FOR CHANGE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

11:04:11 THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANTI-POLICE.

11:04:13 WE NEED BODY CAMERAS, WHICH THIS COUNCIL HAS VOTED ON.

11:04:18 WE NEED TRAINING WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, IN

11:04:21 COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, AND CIVILIAN BOARDS.

11:04:25 THESE ARE THINGS THAT IN MY OPINION, 21st CENTURY

11:04:28 COMMUNITY WOULD NEED.

11:04:30 IN TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND ALL THE

11:04:34 DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING FORWARD, TALK TO

11:04:36 THE ADMINISTRATION, TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT

11:04:41 SIDE, JUST SOME BASIC IDEAS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE




11:04:44 GOING FORWARD.

11:04:44 FIRST, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN MENTION ON UPDATES TO COUNCIL.

11:04:48 WE GET A REPORT FROM THE CRB.

11:04:53 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BEING DONE.

11:04:58 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT OWN AN ANNUAL

11:05:01 BASIS, BY CRB MEMBERS, INCLUDING THE CHAIR WITH, A

11:05:05 SUMMARY OF STATUS OF HEARINGS, PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS,

11:05:10 CHANGES BY THE MEMBERS, AND A REPORT THAT COULD BE SIGNED

11:05:15 BY ALL MEMBERS OF THE CRB WITH DISSENTING OPINIONS

11:05:19 INCLUDED, LIKE YOU SEE IN COURT CASES.

11:05:21 NOW WHY DO I WANT THAT?

11:05:23 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO JUST HEAR FROM A MAJORITY OF THE

11:05:25 CRB.

11:05:26 I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CRB.

11:05:30 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

11:05:32 ALSO, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE INFORMED FULLY

11:05:37 FROM FIRST-HAND STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS.

11:05:40 I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN BUTT

11:05:44 THIS IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FROM

11:05:47 MEMBERS TO COMMIT TO GOING LIVE WHENEVER WE CAN OF COURSE

11:05:51 TO AT LEAST ONE CRB MEETING A YEAR IN PERSON.

11:05:56 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR

11:05:59 US.

11:06:01 I THINK THAT THE GENERAL PRINCIPLE, I CERTAINLY THINK

11:06:04 THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.




11:06:06 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE CONTINUED COMMUNITY MEETINGS BY

11:06:09 THE CRB, FOUR TOWN HALLS A YEAR IN EACH DISTRICT, AND ALL

11:06:16 FOUR OF THE DISTRICTS, ALL FOUR PARTS OF THE CITY OF

11:06:18 TAMPA TO GET COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

11:06:20 I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

11:06:23 THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE

11:06:26 NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN THERE'S SOME DISPUTE.

11:06:30 I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THE CHARTER AND

11:06:34 THE CRB.

11:06:35 I COULD BE CORRECTED ON THIS BUT I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN

11:06:37 BOARDS HAVE HAD ATTORNEYS WHO ARE PAID BY THE HOUR.

11:06:44 WE HAD AN ATTORNEY WHO I ASSUME WAS PAID BY THE HOUR FOR

11:06:52 HIS WORK.

11:06:53 I THINK FOR A BOARD LIKE THIS, MOVING TOWARDS THAT, WITH

11:06:57 SAFEGUARDS, SOMETHING TO THE NATURE -- 10, 15 HOURS A

11:07:04 MONTH, YOU MUST GET CONSENT FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA,

11:07:07 SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE THIS BOARD HAS THEIR OWN

11:07:10 SEPARATE ATTORNEY.

11:07:11 I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I SUPPORT, AND I

11:07:14 THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT.

11:07:16 I DON'T WANT TO SAY MINIMAL COSTS, BUT I THINK THOSE

11:07:20 COSTS WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORTH IT ON PRINCIPLE FOR THIS

11:07:24 BOARD.

11:07:25 THERE'S A LOT OF ARGUMENT GOING FORTH WITH REGARDS TO THE

11:07:28 VOTES, WHO APPOINTS WHO.




11:07:31 WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

11:07:33 I CERTAINLY HAVE NO OBJECTION WITH THE MAJORITY COMING

11:07:37 FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

11:07:38 I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

11:07:40 THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE

11:07:42 THAT ARE -- BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS

11:07:49 APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR OR BY THE COUNCIL MEANS THAT THEY

11:07:52 ARE GOING TO HAVE FIDELITY TO A CERTAIN PERSON OR A

11:07:56 CERTAIN BODY.

11:07:58 I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE.

11:08:03 HOWEVER, HOWEVER, THE WAY THAT WE GET THERE FOR ME IS OF

11:08:09 CRITICAL IMPORTANCE, IF WE GET THERE, IS OF CRITICAL

11:08:11 IMPORTANCE.

11:08:12 I KNOW WE ALL KNOW MANY OF THE MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON THE

11:08:15 CRB, THE LAST THING THAT I WANT IS FOR SOMEBODY TO BE

11:08:21 CEREMONIOUSLY AND WITH MY OPINION GREAT DISRESPECT

11:08:24 POTENTIALLY KICKED OFF THE CRB THROUGH SOME SORT OF A

11:08:28 MANDATE APPOINTMENT.

11:08:29 I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT. IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROUTE,

11:08:33 IT'S RIGHT NOW 5-4.

11:08:36 I THINK I AM THAT A VERY SIMPLE PLACE TO DO IT WOULD BE

11:08:40 NEXT TIME THAT THERE IS AN APPOINTEE WHO IS A MAYORAL

11:08:45 APPOINTEE AND HE OR SHE WISHES FOR THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD

11:08:51 TRANSFER TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

11:08:52 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY IN WHICH WE CAN GIVE SOME




11:08:56 DEFERENCE, BUT WITH RESPECT, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES.

11:09:00 I HEARD ABOUT HAVING ONE APPOINTMENT TO GO TO EITHER USF

11:09:06 OR UT.

11:09:07 AND BECAUSE I'M ATTORNEY, I THINK MAYBE SOMEONE FROM OUR

11:09:14 BAR ASSOCIATION.

11:09:14 I THINK SOMEONE WHO COULD GIVE US A LOT OF GUIDANCE ON

11:09:20 THAT.

11:09:20 I SAY THAT BECAUSE, I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS STATION, OUT

11:09:28 THERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYBODY, JUST SOMETHING

11:09:30 THAT I THOUGHT OF, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS SPOKEN OF WITH

11:09:34 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YESTERDAY AS WELL WAS, YOU

11:09:37 KNOW, WE HAVE A COLLEGE OF LAW, MAYBE WORKING WITH

11:09:44 STETSON FOR SOME SORT OF PROGRAM FOR COMPLAINTS THAT COME

11:09:48 TO THE CRB.

11:09:53 I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THAT IDEA, BY THE WAY.

11:09:55 IT'S SOMETHING SOMEBODY SAID.

11:09:57 BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WE SHOULD EXPLORE.

11:09:59 AGAIN THESE ARE ALL IDEAS THAT WE CAN EXPLORE.

11:10:02 SOME IDEAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE EXPLORING.

11:10:04 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.

11:10:07 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WORKABLE PROCESS.

11:10:09 AND COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY

11:10:12 ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT HAS RESPECT FOR ALL THE PARTIES AT

11:10:15 THE TABLE, AND GOD WILLING, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL BE

11:10:18 VERY PROUD OF EVERYBODY.




11:10:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

11:10:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:10:25 I BELIEVE WE HEARD FROM ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS BRIEFLY.

11:10:28 I'LL WRAP IT UP.

11:10:29 I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE, POLICE OFFICER, FOR

11:10:36 THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE NOT IN THIS COUNTY BUT FOR DECADE,

11:10:40 AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHY WHEN MY FATHER STARTED IN

11:10:43 1960, THEY WERE REFERRING TO PEACE OFFICERS AND NOW IT'S

11:10:46 ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

11:10:48 I KNOW IT SOUNDED ANTIQUATED, FROM THE 1800S TO 1960,

11:10:53 GOING BACK TO THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW AND WHATNOT, PEACE

11:10:56 OFFICERS.

11:10:57 BUT I LIKE THE TERM.

11:10:59 BECAUSE WHEN I WAS -- IF I NEED HELP, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A

11:11:06 POLICE OFFICER THERE.

11:11:07 IF I'M IN DANGER, THERE'S A POLICE OFFICER.

11:11:10 THAT'S MY RELATIONSHIP.

11:11:12 AND NOT EVERYBODY FEELS THAT WAY.

11:11:19 BUT PERHAPS WE CAN GO BACK TO PEACE OFFICER, WHATEVER.

11:11:27 I MEAN, IT'S JUST THE IMAGE AND WHATNOT.

11:11:32 BUT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I SAID EARLIER IN REGARDS TO

11:11:35 APPOINTMENT OF THIS BOARD, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS

11:11:39 HAVING BEEN APPOINTED, FROM CITY COUNCIL AND THE REST

11:11:43 FROM THE MAYOR, I SEE NO HARM, NO FOUL IN THAT, BECAUSE

11:11:48 WE ARE ELECTED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.




11:11:50 YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY, SOME OF US ARE CITY-WIDE, SOME OF

11:11:55 US ARE DISTRICT-SPECIFIC.

11:11:56 BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE

11:11:59 OF THIS COMMUNITY, THE SAME ONES THAT VOTE FOR THE MAYOR

11:12:03 AND WHATNOT.

11:12:04 SO MR. DINGFELDER IS GOING TO BRING UP WHATEVER MOTIONS

11:12:10 ARE GOING TO BE MADE BUD WE DO INCLUDE THAT CITY COUNCIL

11:12:12 MEMBERS HAVE ONE APPOINTMENT EACH, THE MAYOR HAS THE

11:12:16 POWER TO APPOINT THE CHIEF OF POLICE.

11:12:21 THAT MAINTAINS THE POLICY, WE ARE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF

11:12:27 GOVERNMENT.

11:12:30 IT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY I WOULD SUPPORT TO GO WITH THAT.

11:12:35 AND THAT'S REALLY IT.

11:12:36 I WILL SEE WHAT MOTIONS ARE MADE.

11:12:42 BEFORE WE GO TO MOTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF

11:12:45 OR LEGAL AFTER HEARING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE LEGAL

11:12:48 DEPARTMENT STAFF.

11:12:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, POINT OF PRIVILEGE.

11:12:58 I JUST WANT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.

11:13:00 I KNOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO COMPROMISE ON A LOT OF

11:13:04 ISSUES.

11:13:04 SO I AM HOPING THIS IS A WORKSHOP, THAT IN THE NECESSARY

11:13:08 FOUGHT WE'LL BE ABLE, WITH STAFF, AND THE LEGAL TEAM, THE

11:13:12 PBA, THE FOLKS THAT THE TAMPA JUSTICE ORGANIZATION, CAN

11:13:17 SIT DOWN AND MAYBE START COMING TO SOME COMPROMISES ON




11:13:21 SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON THE TABLE SO WE WALK AWAY WHERE

11:13:25 EVERYONE FEELS WE ARE MAKING EFFORT, WHICH I THINK WE

11:13:27 ARE.

11:13:27 SO I WILL WAIT FOR MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION.

11:13:30 BUT IF THAT ISN'T ON THE TABLE I WOULD ASK STAFF TO MEET

11:13:34 WITH ALL PARTIES COLLECTIVELY AND COME BACK AND DO WHAT

11:13:37 WE NEED FOR THE CITIZENS.

11:13:40 THANK YOU.

11:13:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:13:43 LEGAL DEPARTMENT, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO ANY

11:13:45 COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS BEFORE WE GO TO

11:13:50 MOTIONS?

11:13:53 >>GINA GRIMES: CITY ATTORNEY.

11:13:55 AS TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' LAST SUGGESTION, WE HAVE MET

11:14:01 SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE ACLU.

11:14:05 WE ARE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE PBA.

11:14:07 WE REACHED OUT TO THEM YESTERDAY WHEN THEY SENT THE

11:14:10 LETTER TO MR. SHELBY.

11:14:11 BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO TOUCH BASE WITH BOTH OF THOSE

11:14:13 ORGANIZATIONS AGAIN AND TRY TO WORK TOGETHER

11:14:16 COLLABORATIVELY.

11:14:18 AND I DO HAVE OTHER PARTS OF THE PRESENTATION THAT ARE

11:14:23 LEGAL IN NATURE, THAT I KNOW WE HAVE TAKEN UP ENOUGH OF

11:14:27 YOUR TIME THIS MORNING, AND I CERTAINLY CAN ADDRESS THOSE

11:14:30 WHEN WE COME BACK IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER.




11:14:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

11:14:35 SOUND GOOD.

11:14:37 WE WILL GO TO MOTIONS.

11:14:39 I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:14:41 I WILL START WITH YOU.

11:14:42 YOU HAVE SOME MOTIONS.

11:14:43 IF YOU COULD BUNDLE THEM INTO ONE MOTION IF POSSIBLE.

11:14:48 REMEMBER -- IN SEPTEMBER SO WE CAN GIVE STAFF TIME TO

11:14:56 RESPOND, HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE AND WHATNOT.

11:14:58 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION AT THIS TIME,

11:15:00 THEN I WILL GO DOWN THE LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.

11:15:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.

11:15:04 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:15:05 AND THANKS TO MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME GREAT

11:15:11 COMMENTS, SOME GREAT THOUGHTS.

11:15:12 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO RESPOND

11:15:15 WITH ANY MOTION I MAKE TODAY IS NOT A MOTION TO AMEND THE

11:15:19 ORDINANCE BY ANY MEANS.

11:15:20 IT'S JUST A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK TO US

11:15:24 WITH ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.

11:15:26 SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

11:15:30 BEFORE I GIVE MY MOTION, REAL QUICK, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IN

11:15:32 THE COOPER DECISION, YOU CAME ACROSS AN AMAZING QUOTE AND

11:15:37 I KNOW COUNCILMAN VIERA LOVES QUOTES, AND IN THE DECISION

11:15:43 IT SAYS, QUOTE, IN A FREE SOCIETY, THE PUBLIC'S TRUST AND




11:15:49 AN OFFICIAL'S REPUTATION IS WON BY GREATER TRANSPARENCY,

11:15:53 NOT -- OF CRITICISM.

11:15:57 I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL STATEMENT BECAUSE WE ARE A

11:16:00 TRANSPARENT SOCIETY AND WE NEED TO BE EVEN MORE

11:16:02 TRANSPARENT.

11:16:03 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THESE CITIZEN BOARDS ARE ALL

11:16:06 ABOUT, IS TRANSPARENCY.

11:16:08 WITH THAT, I WILL TRY AND BUNDLE THE MOTION AND ALSO TO

11:16:12 REFLECT SOME OF COUNCIL'S COMMENTS.

11:16:15 CONSISTENT -- HERE IS MY MOTION.

11:16:18 NUMBER ONE.

11:16:19 CONSISTENT WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND COUNCILMAN

11:16:23 VIERA'S COMMENTS, MY MOTION WOULD INCLUDE THE DRAFTING OF

11:16:29 LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH A MAJORITY

11:16:35 OF THE SEATS ON THE FUTURE CRB.

11:16:38 AND MR. VIERA, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT HAS TO BE BASED

11:16:44 IN PERHAPS OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, SO PEOPLE AREN'T

11:16:47 INSULTED OR HUMILIATED.

11:16:50 I WILL LET LEGAL FIGURE OUT THOSE DETAILS.

11:16:52 BUT THE GIST OF THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS

11:16:54 FROM THE CRB WOULD BE FROM CITY COUNCIL.

11:17:00 I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CITIZENS HOP SPOKE.

11:17:04 IT SEEMS TO BE AN INDEPENDENT BODY, AND IT'S NOT REALLY

11:17:08 INDEPENDENT IF ANY MAYOR, ANY MAYOR, IS THE ONE MAKING A

11:17:11 MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.




11:17:16 SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF MY MOTION.

11:17:18 THE SECOND PART OF MY MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD SOME LEVEL

11:17:24 OF SUBPOENA POWER TO THE CRB. AND LANGUAGE ACCORDINGLY.

11:17:29 I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD ABUSE IT.

11:17:33 CITY COUNCIL HAS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, HAS NEVER USED IT.

11:17:37 AT LEAST IN MY LIFETIME.

11:17:40 AND I BELIEVE AS MORE OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE TO, JUST THE

11:17:47 FACT THAT THEY HAVE IT MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE MORE WILLING TO

11:17:50 COME FORWARD, AND DISCUSS THESE ISSUES.

11:17:53 NOW, IT'S NOT SUBPOENA POWER TO SUBPOENA THE OFFICER WHO

11:17:56 IS BEING COMPLAINED AGAINST.

11:17:59 IT'S SUBPOENA POWER FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

11:18:05 MY NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST -- AND THERE'S ONLY TWO MORE --

11:18:08 IS INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.

11:18:12 WE SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ALL SORTS OF

11:18:15 POLICE MATTERS, WHICH IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS

11:18:18 COMMUNITY AND TO ME.

11:18:19 IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT.

11:18:21 IT'S IMPORTANT MONEY.

11:18:22 BUT WE CAN SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY GIVING THIS BODY

11:18:27 INDEPENDENT LEGAL COUNSEL.

11:18:30 AND MY FOURTH POINT IS INDEPENDENT STAFF.

11:18:35 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME WHEN I READ THE

11:18:38 ORDINANCE AND EVEN THE REVISED ORDINANCE AS COMPOSED BY

11:18:42 MS. GRIMES -- I MEAN, NOT MS. GRIMES BUT THE




11:18:45 ADMINISTRATION THROUGH MS. GRIMES, IS THE FACT THAT I

11:18:48 KEPT READING ABOUT THE FACT THAT A CAPTAIN SETS THE

11:18:51 AGENDA, THAT A CAPTAIN WRITES THE REPORT, THAT A TPD

11:18:55 POLICE CAPTAIN IS CONTROLLING THIS BODY.

11:18:58 AND I KIND OF FOUND THAT REALLY WEIRD BECAUSE IT'S NOT --

11:19:04 SO AGAIN, THIRD, THAT WE FIND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY IN

11:19:08 THE BUDGET, MAYBE $50,000, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO HIRE

11:19:12 SOME PART-TIME STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CRB

11:19:20 AND HAVE SOME INDEPENDENT STAFF.

11:19:23 SO MY MOTION, THE FOURTH PART BUNDLED INTO ONE MOTION

11:19:28 UNLESS PEOPLE WANT TO SPLIT IT APART, A AND THIS WOULD BE

11:19:31 RELATE IT TO THE APPOINTMENTS, INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, AND

11:19:35 THE INDEPENDENT STAFF.

11:19:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:19:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BEFORE I ASK

11:19:40 FOR A SOAKED, IF THERE IS A SECOND, I AM LOOKING AT THE

11:19:43 CALENDAR HERE, AND I AM LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER.

11:19:52 SEPTEMBER 3rd IS A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

11:19:55 WE ALSO HAVE --

11:19:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE DO WE HAVE A

11:20:03 WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER?

11:20:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A WORKSHOP SEPTEMBER 24 AT

11:20:08 9:00 A.M.

11:20:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD COUNCIL LIKE TO ADDRESS AGAIN

11:20:14 IN A WORKSHOP EITHER IN AUGUST, MAYBE IN AUGUST OR




11:20:17 SEPTEMBER, AND THEN WHENEVER WE HAVE TO REVISE THE

11:20:24 ORDINANCE AT A LATER DATE?

11:20:25 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SUPER EMERGENCY BUT I THINK TO

11:20:28 KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING.

11:20:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK -- COUNCILMAN GUDES, GO

11:20:35 AHEAD.

11:20:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ON THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER, IF I CAN

11:20:39 GET AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, SIR.

11:20:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:20:44 WHAT IS THE AMENDMENT?

11:20:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS IT RELATES TO THE HIRING POLICY OF

11:20:49 THE CITY, WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE

11:20:57 COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT, IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

11:21:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, HOW DO YOU

11:21:11 FEEL ON THAT AMENDMENT?

11:21:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T BELIEVE -- I KNOW -- I DON'T

11:21:27 KNOW.

11:21:28 MAYBE I NEED SOME ADVICE FROM MS. GRIMES.

11:21:31 AND THEY HAVE INCLUDED SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM THE CRB

11:21:35 IN THE HIRING PROCESS.

11:21:37 I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIRECT THE

11:21:42 ADMINISTRATION OTHERWISE, OR ARE YOU SAYING WE NEED TO

11:21:45 INCLUDE THAT IN THE CRB ORDINANCE?

11:21:49 MR. GUDES?

11:22:01 >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY LEADERS PUT ON THAT




11:22:06 HIRING FREEZE. AND THAT WAS THE REASON I MADE THE

11:22:06 MOTION.

11:22:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY MOTION.

11:22:17 >>GINA GRIMES: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, COUNCILMAN GUDES,

11:22:23 AN IMPORTANT ISSUE WAS JUST RAISED.

11:22:26 ON THAT NOTE, BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WITH RESPECT TO

11:22:32 THE HIRING OF OFFICERS, WHICH AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER

11:22:36 ALLUDED TO IS STRICTLY WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE

11:22:39 ADMINISTRATION, OF THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF POLICE.

11:22:43 BUT -- AND I DIDN'T GET TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE UNDERLYING

11:22:48 LEGAL ISSUES THAT ARE BEING TOUCHED UPON, AND DEALING

11:22:52 WITH THE WAY THE CRB WAS INITIALLY ADOPTED, AND THE WAY

11:22:57 IT'S STRUCTURED AND THE WAY CHANGES TO THE CRB ORDINANCE

11:23:03 HAVE TO BE UNDERTAKEN.

11:23:11 AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT TODAY.

11:23:13 BUT THERE ARE MANY LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE

11:23:17 STRUCTURE OF THE CRB AND HOW CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE GOING

11:23:21 FORWARD.

11:23:21 WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO CONSIDER ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK

11:23:23 IN THESE FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US,

11:23:26 INCLUDING THE HIRING, AND DISCUSS THEM, AND THEN WE CAN

11:23:30 REPORT BACK TO YOU.

11:23:32 I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN COME BACK AT THE WORKSHOP IN

11:23:35 SEPTEMBER.

11:23:35 KEEP IN MIND, YOU WANT TO US MEET WITH THESE OTHER GROUPS




11:23:39 TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE WITH CERTAIN

11:23:44 REVISIONS AND REDRAFT IT AND YOU'RE CHANGES AND BRING IT

11:23:48 BACK.

11:23:49 SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE I'M SURE AT LEAST TO THE END OF

11:23:51 SEPTEMBER TO GET THAT COMPLETED.

11:23:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?

11:23:59 MS. GRIMES, ANOTHER THING, I'M SAYING THE BOARD MADE UP

11:24:12 IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CHIEF FOR HIRING.

11:24:15 IS THAT CORRECT?

11:24:16 >>GINA GRIMES: WHAT THE CHIEF HAD PROPOSED, AND THIS IS

11:24:19 ONE OF THE SPECIFIC PROPOSALS, IS RATHER THAN THE HIRING

11:24:21 PROCESS BEING HANDLED INTERNALLY, THROUGH HIS STAFF

11:24:26 MEMBERS, THAT HE WOULD IMPANEL A HIRING PANEL WHO WOULD

11:24:29 EVALUATE THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS, AND OF

11:24:32 COURSE A LOT OF THEM AS YOU WELL KNOW ARE TO TRY WITH

11:24:38 OTHER NUMEROUS STANDARD AND SO LIKE THE HIRING PANEL, A

11:24:42 LOT OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED, BUT HE'S SUGGESTING

11:24:47 THAT RATHER THAN THE HIRING DECISIONS BE MADE BY THE

11:24:50 STAFF, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WITH HIM, THAT HE ALSO GET

11:24:53 FEEDBACK ON THAT FROM HIS HIRING PANEL.

11:24:58 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT HAVING MEMBERS OF

11:25:03 THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WILL

11:25:05 DISCUSS.

11:25:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:25:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WE HAVE




11:25:09 SEPTEMBER 24th, WHICH IS A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP

11:25:11 SESSION.

11:25:17 BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT AUGUST 27th, WE HAVE

11:25:28 (DISTORTION) AND REVIEW AND DISCUSS REGULATIONS REGARDING

11:25:33 THE POLICE, IN ADDITION, CITY ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY,

11:25:39 ET CETERA, WOULD BE INVITED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

11:25:44 DO WE STILL NEED THAT OR WE CAN HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS? I

11:25:47 THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS.

11:25:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE DISCUSSION,

11:25:51 AND THEN MY MOTION TO ROLL INTO SEPTEMBER --

11:26:00 >>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.

11:26:03 WITH A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES --

11:26:10 (AUDIO CUTS OUT)

11:26:12 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION?

11:26:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I BELIEVE GUDES SECONDED IT.

11:26:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:26:18 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

11:26:21 VIERA.

11:26:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:26:26 GO AHEAD.

11:26:26 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:26:28 I WANT CLARIFICATION ON THIS.

11:26:30 BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.

11:26:33 PARTICULARLY WITH THE ISSUE OF SUBPOENA POWER.

11:26:40 I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY ALL THE OTHER ISSUES IN THE SENSE




11:26:43 THAT WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION, AND I AM FULLY

11:26:47 SUPPORTIVE OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE.

11:26:49 I HAVE JUST BEEN TOLD THAT CITY COUNCIL CANNOT CREATE

11:26:52 SUBPOENA POWER FOR THIS BOARD OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER OR A

11:26:56 STATE STATUTE AUTHORIZING THAT.

11:26:58 ARE WE ASKING CITY LEGAL TO DRAW UP AN ORDINANCE?

11:27:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS JUST TO DISCUSS THE ITEM AT

11:27:06 A WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER.

11:27:08 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.

11:27:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND AT THAT WORKSHOP, WE CAN TWEAK,

11:27:14 WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS IT THERE.

11:27:17 WE CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR FORMAL CHANGE, OR TO CHANGE THE

11:27:23 ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER.

11:27:24 SO THIS IS INFORMATIONAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAD TODAY,

11:27:29 STAFF REPORT OR WHATEVER, SPECIFIC TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER

11:27:31 DINGFELDER WROTE IN THE MOTION, SEPTEMBER 24, WHICH IS A

11:27:37 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION.

11:27:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:27:43 LET ME CLARIFY BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

11:27:53 I GUESS MY DESIRE IS, WHERE LEGALLY POSSIBLE, THAT LEGAL

11:27:55 STAFF WOULD DRAFT US LANGUAGE FOR US TO CONSIDER THE

11:28:02 LANGUAGE OBTAINED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, TO DRAFT

11:28:07 ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE FOR A FUTURE ORDINANCE, AN AMENDMENT

11:28:11 TO THE FUTURE ORDINANCE -- EXCUSE ME, AN AMENDMENT TO THE

11:28:16 EXISTING ORDINANCE, THEY COULD DRAFT THAT UP.




11:28:19 HOWEVER, IF THEY CONCLUDE THAT IT'S NOT LEGALLY

11:28:23 POSSIBLE -- AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT OPINION, MR.

11:28:27 VIERA -- BUT IF THEY CONCLUDE IT'S NOT LEGAL, THEN THEY

11:28:31 NEED TO GIVE US A LEGAL MEMORANDUM AS TO WHY SOMETHING IS

11:28:34 NOT LEGALLY POSSIBLE, FOR EXAMPLE, SUBPOENA POWER.

11:28:37 OKAY?

11:28:38 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

11:28:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF THAT'S OKAY, MODIFIED OR CLARIFIED

11:28:45 MY OWN MOTION A LITTLE BIT.

11:28:46 >>LUIS VIERA: SO ARE THE WAY I READ THIS, THIS IS A

11:28:50 REPORT -- CAN I GET SOMEBODY FROM CITY LEGAL?

11:28:54 BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM ON PROPER GROUND

11:28:57 HERE WHEN I MAKE THAT STATEMENT TO OPINE JUST QUICKLY.

11:29:00 I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE RESEARCH IN LOOKING

11:29:03 INTO THIS.

11:29:04 BUT JUST FOR PURPOSES OF GOING FORWARD, CAN WE GET

11:29:07 SOMEONE TO STATE SOMETHING ON THIS ISSUE, MS. GRIMES?

11:29:13 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.

11:29:13 ACTUALLY, THERE WERE THREE LEGAL ISSUES THAT WE HAD

11:29:15 INTENDED TO ADDRESS.

11:29:17 ONE DEALT WITH THE WAY THE CRB WAS CREATED AND STRUCTURED

11:29:21 AND HOW IT'S LIMITED THROUGH THIS COMBINATION OF AN

11:29:25 EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND A CITY CODE.

11:29:29 THE SECOND LEGAL ISSUE WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS WAS THE

11:29:32 SUBPOENA POWERS.




11:29:33 AND THE THIRD HAD TO DO WITH INVESTIGATIVE POWER.

11:29:36 AND ALSO, WE DID PLAN TO ALSO ADDRESS THE TBA'S ISSUES

11:29:43 THAT THEY HAD RAISED.

11:29:44 BUT WITH RESPECT TO SUBPOENA POWER, IT'S OUR POSITION

11:29:48 THAT THAT CAN ONLY BE GRANTED BY STATUTE, OR THROUGH THE

11:29:52 CHARTER.

11:29:53 AND WE WANT CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT YOU,

11:29:58 AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, HAVE ONLY LIMITED SUBPOENA POWER

11:30:05 AND IT'S EXPRESSED AND PROVIDED IN THE CHARTER THAT YOU

11:30:07 MAY ONLY EXERCISE YOUR SUBPOENA POWER WHEN YOU ARE

11:30:10 EXERCISING LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY IN CONDUCTING AN

11:30:13 INVESTIGATION.

11:30:14 YOU HAVE THE POURER THEN TO COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF

11:30:17 WITNESSES THROUGH SUBPOENA.

11:30:18 SO YOU YOURSELF AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL HAVE LIMITED

11:30:22 SUBPOENA POWER.

11:30:24 SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, DOES IT FROM A COMMON SENSE

11:30:28 STANDPOINT, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO SIMPLY GRANT TO

11:30:33 THE CRB BROAD SUBPOENA POWERS FOR WITNESSES AT THEIR

11:30:39 HEARING.

11:30:39 YOU YOURSELF DON'T HAVE IT, SO HOW COULD YOU IN FACT

11:30:43 DELEGATE IT TO ANOTHER BODY?

11:30:47 YOUR CHARTER DID NOT PROVIDE OR ALLOW CITY COUNCIL TO

11:30:50 DELEGATE THAT AUTHORITY UNDER THE CHARTER.

11:30:52 WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE CASES THAT WE CAN CITE TO, I




11:30:57 CAN PROVIDE ALL OF THIS IN A LEGAL MEMORANDUM.

11:30:59 BUT IN ORDER FOR THE CRB TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER, IT WOULD

11:31:04 HAVE TO BE EXPRESSLY PROVIDED FOR THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO

11:31:06 THE CHARTER, AND JUST BY WAY OF INFORMATION, I KNOW THAT

11:31:12 TAMPA FOR JUSTICE AND THE ACLU KNOW THIS AND IN FACT HAVE

11:31:19 ACKNOWLEDGED IT BECAUSE BACK IN 2016, THEY PROPOSED A

11:31:23 CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THE TAMPA CHARTER TO DO JUST THAT,

11:31:27 TO CREATE A CITIZENS INVESTIGATIVE PANEL THAT WOULD HAVE

11:31:32 SUBPOENA POWER.

11:31:33 SO BY SUBMISSION OF THEIR OWN CHARTER AMENDMENT, THEY

11:31:37 ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT TAKES A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO GRANT

11:31:40 SUBPOENA POWER TO THE CRB, OR TO A CITIZEN INVESTIGATIVE

11:31:44 PANEL.

11:31:46 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I RESPOND TO THAT?

11:31:50 THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE THE LAST MAYOR

11:31:53 WAS FAITHING THEM AND HIRED AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO TRY TO

11:31:56 HAVE A CHARTER -- AND IT WAS AN END AROUND THE LAST MAYOR

11:32:02 TO BUTTRESS THEIR POSITION.

11:32:05 AND WE CAN ALL SORT THIS OUT WITH ALL THE LAWYERS TALKING

11:32:08 BEHIND THE SCENES IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND DISCUSS

11:32:11 THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.

11:32:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS VIERA, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:32:20 THANK YOU.

11:32:20 I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD.

11:32:23 IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AT THE NEXT




11:32:25 MEETING AND WE CARRY IT FORWARD UNDER THE REPORT?

11:32:29 I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

11:32:30 BUT IN TERMS OF FURTHER DISCUSSION, I DON'T THINK

11:32:36 DISCUSSION HURTS ANYBODY, BUT IF I DON'T KNOW IF

11:32:40 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THIS, BUT TWO

11:32:44 VERY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

11:32:45 MAY I MAKE THAT, MR. CHAIR?

11:32:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

11:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA: VERY FRIENDLY.

11:32:53 THE FIRST ONES.

11:32:54 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:32:55 I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE THE PROPER FORUM FOR THAT.

11:32:59 NUMBER ONE IS TO PROVIDE TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

11:33:04 I DON'T KNOW THE TIME IT WAS PUT IN THEREIN FROM THE CRB,

11:33:08 JUST FROM A REPORT ON THAT, AND THAT BE INCLUDED IN THE

11:33:13 PROSPECTIVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT.

11:33:14 AND THEN FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS BUILT CRB, I DON'T

11:33:18 KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THAT

11:33:20 BUT IT COULD BE UNDER THE IDEA OF CARRYING IT FORWARD FOR

11:33:23 FORMAL DISCUSSION.

11:33:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. VIERA, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I

11:33:28 COULD.

11:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:33:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:33:32 MR. VIERA, I DEFINITELY ACCEPT BOTH OF THOSE VERY




11:33:36 FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

11:33:37 THE FIRST ONE I ACTUALLY PROPOSED A FEW WEEKS AGO TO MS.

11:33:42 GRIMES, AND I THINK THE SECOND ONE MS. RICHARDSON ALLUDED

11:33:49 TO IN HER DRAFT.

11:33:51 I THINK THEY ARE BOTH GREAT SUGGESTIONS, AND I ACCEPT

11:33:54 THEM WHOLEHEARTEDLY AS LONG AS MR. GUDES DOES AS WELL.

11:33:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. GUDES, ARE THOSE AMENDMENTS FINE

11:34:02 WITH YOU?

11:34:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE.

11:34:12 AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY STATEMENT, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE

11:34:16 THE ACTUAL FACTS IN MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ONE SIDE

11:34:21 SAYING ONE THING AND ANOTHER SIDE IS SAYING SOMETHING,

11:34:28 AND WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

11:34:29 THAT WAY WE ARE NOT GETTING ALL TYPES OF LEGAL FEES AND

11:34:33 GETTING MONEY OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR LEGAL FEES, AND NOT

11:34:39 HAVING ANY MONEY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

11:34:42 SO I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, AND COME BACK

11:34:46 AND GIVE US THE ACTUAL FACT OF HOW THEY DERIVED, AND

11:34:50 THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PEOPLE TO MEET

11:34:54 TOGETHER AND SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION.

11:35:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANKS VERY MUCH.

11:35:02 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER WITH

11:35:06 AMENDMENTS FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:35:10 THIS IS FOR SEPTEMBER 24th AT OUR WORKSHOP SESSION AT

11:35:20 9 A.M.




11:35:21 SECOND BY MR. GUDES.

11:35:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:35:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

11:35:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS I STATED EARLIER -- AND I KNOW

11:35:28 THAT THE HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT 2 BROUGHT UP

11:35:34 THE FOUR ITEMS THAT HE WISHED TO SPEAK ON, AND MY

11:35:37 CONTENTION IS, I SAID EARLIER I WAS NOT PREPARED TO VOTE

11:35:40 UNTIL I GOT ALL THE INFORMATION AND SAT ON IT FOR A

11:35:42 LITTLE BIT AND I APPRECIATE SEPTEMBER 24th.

11:35:45 HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I VOTE THAT THE FOUR

11:35:47 ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AREN'T ASKING THE LEGAL

11:35:52 DEPARTMENT TO BRING THEM UP AND SPEAK ON THEM OR ARE YOU

11:35:55 ASKING THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BE PREPARED FOR AN

11:35:57 ORDINANCE FOR SEPTEMBER 24th?

11:35:58 ONE WAY I VOTE YES.

11:36:00 THE OTHER WAY I WOULD VOTE NO.

11:36:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF YOU CAN

11:36:04 CLARIFY. THIS IS INFORMATIONAL?

11:36:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL, BUT JUST

11:36:09 AS THEY HAVE DRAFTED THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL, I

11:36:12 WOULD LIKE THEM TO PROVIDE US A RED-LINE VERSION THAT

11:36:16 INCLUDES THESE ITEMS IN THE FORM OF A VERY, VERY DRAFT

11:36:21 MOTION.

11:36:22 BUT THEN, SEPTEMBER 24th, IS ANOTHER WORKSHOP.

11:36:25 WE CAN'T EVEN VOTE ON ANY ORDINANCES AT A WORKSHOP.




11:36:31 SO THERE'S NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

11:36:34 BUT JUST SO WE MOVE THIS PROCESS ALONG, AND GET THINGS IN

11:36:38 WRITING, THAT ULTIMATELY WE COULD VOTE ON, SEPTEMBER

11:36:43 24th, I THINK THAT LEGAL STAFF, MY MOTION IS THAT

11:36:46 LEGAL STAFF JUST DRAFT THESE AS POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO

11:36:50 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

11:36:54 AND LIKE I SAID, AND WHERE THEY CAN'T PROVIDE US THE

11:36:57 LEGAL MEMORANDUM, I THINK LEGALLY WE CAN'T.

11:37:02 SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF MY MOTION, MR. MIRANDA.

11:37:05 I HOPE I CLARIFIED IT.

11:37:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY ASK THIS.

11:37:11 ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SUBPOENA POWER, INDEPENDENT

11:37:14 COUNSEL, INDEPENDENT STAFF, AND HIRING OF OFFICERS?

11:37:20 I THOUGHT THESE WERE THE FOUR THAT WERE GOING TO BE

11:37:22 BUNDLED UP ON SEPTEMBER 24th.

11:37:25 ARE WE GOING TO SPEAK JUST ON THESE FOUR ITEMS REGARDING

11:37:27 THE MAKEUP OF THE CRB BOARD AND HOW THE PERFORMANCE WILL

11:37:32 BE BASED ON THESE FOUR ITEMS, ADDING TO THEM?

11:37:36 AND IS IT GOING TO COME UP IN ANY WAY BEFORE IT GETS TO

11:37:39 SEPTEMBER 24th WITH ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE THAT'S

11:37:43 BEING PREPARED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, THEN I WOULD VOTE

11:37:46 NO.

11:37:46 IF IT'S SEPTEMBER 24th AND ONLY BECAUSE I AM NOT

11:37:50 SUGGESTING ALL FOUR OF THEM AT ONCE AND I WANT TO GET

11:37:53 MORE INFORMATION FOR MYSELF SO I CAN BE MUCH BETTER




11:37:56 PREPARED THAN I AM TODAY.

11:38:00 AND SEPTEMBER 24th, MAKE SURE HE'S THE ARE THE FOUR

11:38:03 ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DIGEST THEM AND

11:38:07 SEE WHICH ONES WE ARE GOING TO GET, ONE, TWO, THREE,

11:38:10 FOUR, ONE WOULD PASS, TWO WOULD PASS, WHATEVER.

11:38:13 BUTT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO

11:38:15 BUNDLE THIS AND SAY FUTURE ORDINANCE, THEN I WILL VOTE

11:38:18 NO.

11:38:18 THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING.

11:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION,

11:38:26 THERE WERE FOUR AND COUNCILMAN GUDES ADDED THE FIFTH.

11:38:28 AND MR. VIERA ADDED THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH.

11:38:32 SO I THINK BY MY COUNT I THINK THERE'S SEVEN.

11:38:38 >>GINA GRIMES: YES, WE HAVE SEVEN ALSO, MR. DINGFELDER.

11:38:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

11:38:43 >>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, WE WILL GO TO A VOTE.

11:38:46 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

11:38:52 AND I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIR OF THE JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

11:38:54 MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE

11:38:57 I VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WE ARE NOT ENDORSING ANY OF

11:39:00 THESE ITEMS.

11:39:00 WE ARE MOVING TO PUSH THESE FORWARD FOR A DISCUSSION ON

11:39:06 THESE ISSUES.

11:39:07 THAT'S HOW I AM LOOKING AT THIS.

11:39:09 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HOW IT'S PROPOSED, AND WE ARE




11:39:12 PUSHING IT THE FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION AND THAT WE ARE

11:39:14 NOT, YOU KNOW, ENDORSING THE ITEMS FOR INCLUSION IN AN

11:39:18 ORDINANCE.

11:39:18 WE ARE PUSHING THIS FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION IN A WORKSHOP.

11:39:23 THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

11:39:26 THANK YOU, SIR.

11:39:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN

11:39:29 DINGFELDER.

11:39:29 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:39:32 COUNCILMEN, WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THIS.

11:39:35 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:39:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:39:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:39:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BASED ON WHAT THE COUNCILMAN JUST

11:39:52 SAID IT'S BEING PUSHED FOR DISCUSSION, I WILL VOTE YES.

11:39:55 IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY I VOTE NO BUT I VOTE YES AS I HEARD

11:39:59 IT.

11:40:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:40:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY, YES.

11:40:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:40:10 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER

11:40:12 DINGFELDER BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL

11:40:14 MEMBER GUDES SECONDED THE MOTION.

11:40:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.

11:40:18 WE GO TO ITEMS -- BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM 8, I SHOW THAT




11:40:27 AUGUST 22ND, WE HAVE THAT ITEM REGARDS THE CITY OF

11:40:33 ATTORNEY POLICE CHIEF, PBA, TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE

11:40:38 REGULATIONS OF THE POLICE AND WHATNOT.

11:40:40 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I BELIEVE YOU MADE THAT MOTION.

11:40:45 WOULD YOU LET THAT STAND FOR AUGUST 22ND, AND TAKE THIS

11:40:49 MOTION TO SEPTEMBER, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ANY THOUGHTS ON

11:40:53 THAT?

11:40:54 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE ASKING WHETHER WE SHOULD MOVE

11:40:55 THEM TO THE SAME DAY?

11:40:57 IS THAT YOUR QUESTION?

11:40:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:40:58 EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT IS VIRTUAL SO FOLKS CAN CALL IN.

11:41:05 BUT DO YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THAT ALL FOR ONE DAY OR HAVE

11:41:09 TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS?

11:41:10 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S FINE WITHIN ME, AS A SEPARATE

11:41:14 DISCUSSION, THAT THE CRB IS A SUBSET OF THE OTHER

11:41:17 DISCUSSION.

11:41:17 I DON'T CARE WHICH DAY IT'S ON, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT.

11:41:20 DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT?

11:41:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IF YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR

11:41:24 THIS ITEM, WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR 9 A.M. WORKSHOP, IF YOU

11:41:28 WANT TO MAKE THAT TO POSTPONE IT TO SEPTEMBER 24th SO

11:41:32 WE CAN HAVE THAT DAY WITH ALL THE SIMILAR DISCUSSION.

11:41:37 >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED.

11:41:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN




11:41:40 CARLSON TO BE POSTPONE TO SEPTEMBER 24th.

11:41:44 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

11:41:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

11:41:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

11:41:48 ROLL CALL VOTE.

11:41:49 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

11:41:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

11:41:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:41:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

11:42:01 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

11:42:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

11:42:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

11:42:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON

11:42:16 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA

11:42:19 SECONDING THE MOTION.

11:42:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:42:21 WE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO ITEM NULL 8.

11:42:24 I BELIEVE THE IMPLICIT BIAS DISCUSSION.

11:42:28 MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:42:31 AND THEN WE HAVE ANDREA ZELMAN WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT

11:42:34 TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM.

11:42:36 MS. ZELMAN IS ON THE LINE, IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE

11:42:39 THIS.

11:42:40 AND THEN GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA IN ORDER.

11:42:43 GO AHEAD.




11:42:43 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

11:42:48 ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY. WITH ME TODAY TO

11:42:52 SPEAK IF NECESSARY ARE BRETT COLLAR WITH TAMPA POLICE

11:42:59 DEPARTMENT TRAINING UNIT, KELLY AUSTIN, HUMAN RESOURCES,

11:43:06 KAY HUNTER, THE CITY OF TAMPA TRAINING DEVELOPMENT

11:43:08 MANAGER, RACHAEL PETERKIN, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY WHICH

11:43:17 YOU WERE PROVIDED A DRAFT COPY OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE,

11:43:20 AND DR. LORIE FRIDELL FROM USF WHO I ASKED TO SPEAK AND

11:43:28 YOU WILL HEAR FROM IN A LITTLE BIT.

11:43:30 AGAIN FOR BACKGROUND, THE CITY CHARTER WAS REVISED TO

11:43:33 REQUIRE THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE HARASSMENT

11:43:36 ANTI-DISCRIMINATION IMPLICIT BIAS AND CULTURAL COMPETENCY

11:43:41 TRAINING PROGRAM FOR ALL CITY EMPLOYEES, IN A MANNER

11:43:48 ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE FROM. HERE ON I AM GOING TO

11:43:51 REFER TO THAT TRAINING IN SHORTHAND AS IMPLICIT BIAS

11:43:54 TRAINING.

11:43:54 BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT BY DEFINITION, IN THE ORDINANCE, IN

11:43:57 THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THAT TRAINING INCLUDES ALL OF THE

11:44:00 OTHER SUBJECT AREAS I JUST LISTED.

11:44:08 WE DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE WITH A GOAL OF THE MANNER IN

11:44:10 WHICH THE TRAINING WILL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED BY THE

11:44:13 CHARTER, BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT THE CITY'S

11:44:16 ABILITY TO BE FLUID AND ADAPTABLE AS ISSUES ARISE AND

11:44:21 CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE.

11:44:22 SO FOR THAT REASON, THE ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED TO INCLUDE




11:44:27 MINIMUM HOURLY REQUIREMENTS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT

11:44:30 THOSE HOURS WILL TYPICALLY BE EXCEEDED.

11:44:34 FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ALL NEW

11:44:38 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS RECEIVE 11 HOURS OF IMPLICIT

11:44:42 BIAS TRAINING AFTER BEING HIRED, BUT I WOULD NOTE THAT

11:44:46 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY REQUIRES TRAINING IN

11:44:50 ADDITION TO THE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.

11:44:53 THEY ALSO REQUIRE TRAINING IN AWARENESS, THEY DO A

11:45:00 FOUR-HOUR SESSION AT THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, THEY DO

11:45:04 SESSIONS ON PTSD AWARENESS, LGBTQ AWARENESS, MINORITY

11:45:12 BASED TRAINING AND OTHER SUCH TRAINING THAT HAS IMPLICIT

11:45:15 BIAS CULTURAL COMPETENCY, ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, AND

11:45:19 RELATED ISSUES WOVEN THROUGHOUT.

11:45:28 AGAIN WE WANTED TO LEAVE OPEN THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADAPT TO

11:45:33 NEW ISSUES AND NEW AREAS OF SENSITIVITY AS THEY OCCUR.

11:45:37 WE ALSO -- AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES ASKED ABOUT THIS,

11:45:41 THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO SPECIFY IN THE ORDINANCE WHAT

11:45:45 NUMBER OF HOURS WOULD BE IN PERSON RATHER THAN ONLINE OR

11:45:49 IN ANOTHER FORM FORMAT BECAUSE AGAIN CIRCUMSTANCES AND

11:45:52 TECHNOLOGY CAN RAPIDLY CHANGE.

11:45:55 FOR EXAMPLE, THE PANDEMIC MADE IMPLICIT TRAINING

11:45:59 DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES.

11:46:02 ALSO, SOME OF THE BETTER TRAINING CAN INVOLVE ONLINE

11:46:07 SIMULATION.

11:46:11 OTHER POINTS TO NOTE, JUST BASICALLY ABOUT THE ORDINANCE,




11:46:14 ARE IT PROVIDES DIVIDING THE TRAINING INTO TWO GROUPS,

11:46:20 AND THIS IS WHERE IT DIFFERS FROM AN EARLIER DRAFT, IT

11:46:24 IDENTIFIES EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND

11:46:27 PLEASE NOTE THAT INCLUDES ELECTED OFFICIALS SUCH AS

11:46:30 YOURSELVES, AND THEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND WE

11:46:34 SEGREGATED THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY DO USE DIFFERENT

11:46:38 TRAINERS, REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAN

11:46:47 THE REST OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES.

11:46:49 SO IN A NUTSHELL, UNDER THE ORDINANCE AS DRAFTED, ALL

11:46:53 NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES WILL BE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE

11:46:56 A MINIMUM OF FOUR HOURS IN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.

11:47:00 AFTER THEY ARE HIRED, WITH TWO-HOUR REFRESHER CLASSES

11:47:05 EVERY TWO YEARS.

11:47:06 ANYONE WHO IS PROMOTED TO A MANAGEMENT OR SUPERVISORY

11:47:09 POSITION WILL ALSO RECEIVE TWO ADDITIONAL HOURS TRAINING.

11:47:14 AS I NOTED BEFORE, ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WILL BE

11:47:17 REQUIRED TO RECEIVE A MINIMUM OF 11 HOURS OF IMPLICIT

11:47:21 BIAS TRAINING AFTER BEING HIRED.

11:47:23 LIKEWISE, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF

11:47:27 TWO-HOUR REFRESHER CLASSES EVERY TWO YEARS.

11:47:31 THOSE THAT ARE PROMOTED TO A MANAGEMENT OR SUPERVISORY

11:47:35 POSITION AGAIN WILL RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO HOURS OF

11:47:37 TRAINING.

11:47:38 NOW, AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK DR. LORIE FRIDELL

11:47:43 TO SPEAK TO ONE -- DR. FRIDELL IS A USF CRIMINOLOGY




11:47:50 PROFESSOR, AND SHE'S THE CEO OF FAIR AND IMPARTIAL

11:47:56 POLICING LLC, AND SHE'S A NATIONAL EXPERT ON BIAS

11:48:01 TRAINING.

11:48:04 SHE AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND I RECENTLY ATTENDED A

11:48:08 WORKSHOP THAT SHE LED WHERE WE AND OTHER MEMBERS.

11:48:10 COMMUNITY HAD A CHANCE TO KNOW SEE FIRST-HAND THE

11:48:13 TRAINING.

11:48:15 DR. FRIDELL, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?

11:48:24 >>DR. LORIE FRIDELL: ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME?

11:48:26 I AM VERY PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY

11:48:28 ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR POLICE.

11:48:30 AS ANDREA INDICATED, I AM THE FOUNDER OF THE FAIR AND

11:48:33 IMPARTIAL POLICING PROGRAM, OR SIP, AND WE ARE THE NUMBER

11:48:37 ONE PROVIDER OF IMPLICIT BIAS AWARENESS TRAINING FOR LAW

11:48:41 ENFORCEMENT IN NORTH AMERICA.

11:48:43 SO I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO TELL YOU ABOUT OUR PROGRAM AND

11:48:46 THE TRAINING THAT WE PROVIDE AROUND NORTH AMERICA AND

11:48:48 HAVE PROVIDED TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

11:48:51 AND I'M HOPING THIS IS SHORT AND I PROMISE A SHORT

11:48:55 DESCRIPTION WILL BE INFORMATIVE AS YOU CONSIDER THE

11:48:57 ORDINANCE.

11:48:59 SO THE KEY CONTENT OF OUR TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS

11:49:03 AS FOLLOWS.

11:49:05 FIRST WE TALK ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF IMPLICIT BIAS.

11:49:07 AND IN DOING SO, WE COVER VARIOUS TYPES OF BIAS.




11:49:11 SECOND, AND IMPORTANTLY, OHIO IT MIGHT MANIFEST IN

11:49:19 POLICING.

11:49:19 UNDER THIS HEADING, WE TALK OF ETHNICITY, GENDER, AGE,

11:49:27 DISABILITY, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, SEXUAL

11:49:30 IDENTITY.

11:49:30 AND THEN WE ALSO HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT

11:49:35 ACTIVITIES WHEREBY IT MIGHT MANIFEST.

11:49:38 THE THIRD PART OF THE CONTENT IS -- THE CONSEQUENCES OF

11:49:46 BIAS, THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE PERSON ON THE RECEIVER'S

11:49:52 END, THE OFFICER IN THE COMMUNITY.

11:49:58 AND THEN REALLY IMPORTANTLY, THE FINAL PEACE OF CONTENT

11:50:01 IS --

11:50:07 THESE CLASSES ARE DESIGNED FOR ADULT LEARNING.

11:50:11 THEY SIT AT TABLES THAT ARE FORMED INTO A U SO THAT WE

11:50:14 CAN MAXIMIZE INTERACTION.

11:50:16 WE HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 30 IN THE ROOM.

11:50:18 AND THEN WE MAKE SURE IT'S VERY INTERACTIVE.

11:50:21 THERE'S SMALL GROUP AND LARGE GROUP DISCUSSIONS,

11:50:23 SCENARIOS, PROBLEM SOLVING, TO BRING THIS CONTENT TO

11:50:26 LIFE.

11:50:27 NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR POLICE AUDIENCES, WE FEEL VERY

11:50:31 STRONGLY THAT THE INITIAL CLASSES, THE FIRST CLASS BASIC

11:50:39 TRAINING BE FACE TO FACE.

11:50:40 AND THERE'S TWO KEY REASONS FOR THIS.

11:50:42 ONE IS -- SECONDLY, ALSO TO ALLOW FOR OPEN AND HONEST




11:50:49 EXCHANGES.

11:50:51 REGARDING THE FIRSTS, YOU ARE NOT SURPRISE, THAT POLICE

11:50:56 OFTEN COME IN VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.

11:50:59 FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DON IS BREAK THROUGH THAT

11:51:01 DEFENSIVENESS AND WE DO THAT WITH A CURRICULUM AND

11:51:04 CREDIBLE TRAINER WHO CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS, PUSH BACK

11:51:07 ON THEIR STEREOTYPES OF BIAS TRAINING AND GET THEM

11:51:11 ONBOARD WITH OUR MESSAGE.

11:51:12 SO THIS CAN'T BE DONE ONLINE OR EVEN VIRTUALLY VERY

11:51:17 EFFECTIVELY.

11:51:17 BUT THEN SECOND, THE TRAINING REALLY ASKS INDIVIDUALS TO

11:51:21 REFLECT ON THEIR OWN BIASNESS AND SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES

11:51:25 INCLUDING EXPERIENCES THEY HAVE HAD ON THE RECEIVING END

11:51:28 OF BIAS BEHAVIOR.

11:51:30 AND AGAIN, THIS REQUIRES FACE TO FACE INTERACTION.

11:51:38 WE HAVE DIFFERENT CURRICULUMS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF

11:51:40 THE DEPARTMENT.

11:51:41 WE HAVE CURRICULUM FOR PATROL OFFICERS, AND THAT INCLUDES

11:51:44 NEW RECRUITS, FIRST-LINE SUPERVISORS, MID MANAGERS, AS

11:51:49 WELL AS COMMAND LEVEL.

11:51:51 NOW, I MENTIONED THE KEY CONTENT.

11:51:53 AND THE LAST THING I MENTIONED ON THAT LIST WAS SKILLS.

11:52:00 IT'S ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THESE SKILLS THAT WE HAVE THESE

11:52:02 CUSTOMIZED TRAININGS FOR THE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

11:52:04 SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE SKILLS FOR OFFICER, BEWARE OF THE




11:52:13 BIASES OF OTHERS WHICH INCLUDES COLLEAGUES AND COMMUNITY

11:52:17 MEMBERS.

11:52:18 WHEN IT IS FEASIBLE, SLOW THINGS DOWN.

11:52:22 FINALLY, MAKE DECISIONS USING YOUR FAIR AND IMPARTIAL

11:52:25 POLICING.

11:52:26 LET ME COMMENT JUST BRIEFLY ON REDUCING MANAGER BIAS.

11:52:32 BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MISLEADING PRESS COVERAGE

11:52:37 THIS SUMMER THAT PROVIDES THAT THE PURPOSE OF IMPLICIT

11:52:39 BIAS TRAINING IS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE BIAS.

11:52:42 AND THIS IS WAY TOO ASPIRATIONAL.

11:52:45 WE DO TRAIN AS I SAID ON VARIOUS SKILLS TO REDUCE OUR

11:52:48 BIASES OVER THE LONG-TERM, BUT OUR KEY FOCUS IS ON

11:52:53 MANAGING OUR BIAS, WHICH IS WHAT ANYBODY CAN DO WHEN THEY

11:52:56 WALK OUT OF THE CLASSROOM.

11:52:58 SO THAT WAS SKILL FOR OFFICERS.

11:53:00 FOR SUPERVISORS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE SKILLS

11:53:03 MENTIONED ABOVE.

11:53:05 BUT THEN ALSO SKILLS AND TECHNIQUES FOR SUPERVISING TO

11:53:09 PROMOTE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL POLICING.

11:53:12 THIS MEANS SKILLS FOR MONITORING THEIR REPORTS FOR

11:53:17 POTENTIALLY BIASED BEHAVIOR, AND THEN SKILLS FOR

11:53:20 INTERVENING SUPERVISORS PERSPECTIVE.

11:53:24 THE COMMAND LEVEL IS THE LONGEST VERSION OF OUR TRAINING

11:53:27 BECAUSE THEIR SKILL, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, IS WHAT I CALL THE

11:53:31 COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGY TO PRODUCE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL




11:53:34 POLICING.

11:53:37 FOLKS HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF

11:53:40 WELL-INTENTIONED INDIVIDUALS IN THE DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE

11:53:42 COMPLICIT BIASES BUT WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WITH EXPLICIT

11:53:47 BIASES, AND COMMAND LEVEL NEEDS TO BE ATTENDING TO BOTH.

11:53:50 THE TOPICS WE DISCUSSED ARE RECRUITMENT AND HIRING,

11:53:54 POLICY, LEADERSHIP AND CULTURE, TRAINING, SUPERVISION AND

11:53:59 ACCOUNTABILITY, MEASUREMENT, OPERATION, AND OUTREACH TO

11:54:04 DIVERSE COMMUNITIES.

11:54:06 OUR MOST POPULAR VERSION OF THE COMMAND LEVEL TRAINING IS

11:54:09 ACTUALLY THE COMMAND COMMUNITY SESSION WHERE SOME OF THE

11:54:13 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ARE LEADERS OF THE AGENCY AND OTHERS

11:54:16 ARE LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

11:54:19 SO LET'S DESCRIBE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT CURRICULUM.

11:54:22 AND WE HAVE OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING, WE WORK

11:54:29 WITH DJJ TO PRODUCE A CURRICULUM FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE

11:54:32 OFFICIALS, WE HAVE CURRICULA FOR PROSECUTORS, DEFENDERS,

11:54:36 PRIVATE SECURITY, CIVILIANS, AND CITY AND COUNTY

11:54:39 EMPLOYEES.

11:54:40 I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL BE DISCUSSING IS THE

11:54:42 LENGTH OF TRAINING, AS WELL AS THE NEED FOR FOLLOW-UP

11:54:47 COURSES.

11:54:47 OUR BASIC CURRICULUM, OUR FIRST ROUND, WHICH COVERS

11:54:51 IMPLICIT BIAS AND ANTI-DISCRIMINATION, IS EIGHT HOURS FOR

11:54:57 PATROL OFFICERS, FOR SUPERVISORS, AND FOR MID MANAGERS.




11:55:01 OUR COMMAND OR COMMAND COMMUNITY TRAINING IS 1.5 DAYS IN

11:55:06 LENGTH AND WE FEEL THIS IS SUFFICIENT FOR CONVEYING THE

11:55:09 PRINCIPLES.

11:55:10 IMPLICIT BIAS IS BASED ON SCIENCE BUT IT'S NOT ROCKET

11:55:14 SCIENCE.

11:55:14 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE TRAINING IS NOT SO LONG THAT IN

11:55:17 FACT WE PRODUCE A BACKLASH TO THEIR PERSPECTIVENESS.

11:55:24 WE HAVE A BOOSTER TRAINING THAT YOU WOULD IMPLEMENT 12

11:55:27 MONTHS, 18 MONTHS AFTER THE BASIC TRAINING, THESE ARE

11:55:31 HALF-DAY SESSIONS.

11:55:33 WE CONVEY THE SAME PRINCIPLES BUT IN A NEW AND DIFFERENT

11:55:36 FORMAT.

11:55:36 OUR THIRD ROUND OF TRAINING FOR OUR CLIENTS WILL BE

11:55:39 ONLINE.

11:55:40 WE FEEL AT THAT POINT IT IS SUFFICIENT AND THAT'S GOING

11:55:43 TO BE 2 TO 3 HOURS.

11:55:44 NOW, REALLY IMPORTANTLY, IN BETWEEN THE BASIC TRAINING

11:55:49 AND THE BOOSTER TRAINING AND THE THIRD ROUND, WE

11:55:52 ENCOURAGE AGENCIES TO REINFORCE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL

11:55:57 MESSAGES TO THE CHIEF COMMUNICATION, THROUGH THE

11:55:59 SUPERVISOR COMMUNICATION, ROLL CALL TRAINING, WE

11:56:03 ENCOURAGE THEM TO INFUSE THE PRINCIPLE OF FAIR AND

11:56:06 IMPARTIAL POLICING AND IN-SERVICE TRAINING.

11:56:11 WITH REGARD TO TPD SPECIFICALLY, UNDER JANE CASTOR IN

11:56:16 2014, WE HELD A ONE-DAY COMMAND COMMUNITY TRAINING, AND A




11:56:20 MID MANAGERS TRAINING.

11:56:22 JANE CASTOR HOSTED A REGIONAL TRAINING OF TRAINERS.

11:56:27 AND WHEN WE HOLD A TRAINING OF TRAINERS, THAT MEANS THAT

11:56:30 AGENCIES ARE SENDING THEIR TRAINERS TO LEARN HOW TO

11:56:34 IMPLEMENT TWO OF OUR CURRICULA, THE CURRICULA OF PATROL

11:56:38 OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS.

11:56:41 THIS SUMMER FOR CHIEF DUGAN, WE HAVE HELD WHAT WE CALL A

11:56:44 POP/BOOSTER SESSION, AND AGAIN CHIEF DUGAN SENDS US HIS

11:56:50 TRAINERS, AND THEY LEARNED THE UPDATED VERSION OF OUR

11:56:53 BASIC TRAINING, AND THEY LEARNED HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE

11:56:57 BOOSTER TRAINING.

11:57:00 AS YOU HEARD, WE DEVELOPED SPECIAL EVENING SESSIONS FOR

11:57:02 COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND HELD TWO OF THOSE LAST WEEK AT THE

11:57:05 CONVENTION CENTER, AND CURRENTLY WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS

11:57:08 WITH CHIEF DUGAN ABOUT HOLDING A COMMAND OR A COMMAND

11:57:13 COMMUNITY.

11:57:14 AND I AM HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM CITY

11:57:19 COUNCIL MEMBERS.

11:57:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:57:24 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU, DOCTOR.

11:57:26 I HAVE A FEW CLOSING REMARKS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO

11:57:29 COUNCIL.

11:57:31 I WANTED TO NOTE THAT I KNOW YOU ALL RECEIVED THE

11:57:36 CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION,

11:57:40 AND THAT THEY RECOMMENDED THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS




11:57:43 RECEIVE AT LEAST 49 HOURS OF IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, AND

11:57:49 THAT THE REST OF US CITY EMPLOYEES INCLUDING YOURSELVES

11:57:52 RECEIVE 40 HOURS.

11:57:55 BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IS JUST NOT REALISTIC OR NECESSARY

11:57:59 FOR SEVERAL REASONS.

11:58:00 FIRST, AS DR. FRIDELL JUST NOTED, THAT NUMBER OF HOURS IS

11:58:06 NOT NECESSARILY IN ORDER FOR THAT TRAINING TO BE

11:58:09 EFFECTIVE, BUT THAT REQUIRING OUR EMPLOYEES INCLUDING

11:58:12 COUNCIL MEMBERS SUCH AS YOURSELVES TO SPEND THAT MUCH

11:58:15 TIME AWAY FROM OUR JOBS IN TRAINING WOULD BE A STRAIN ON

11:58:19 THE CITY BUDGET, AND ALSO VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE CITY AND

11:58:22 THE CITIZENS WHO RELY ON OUR SERVICES, AND WE WOULD ASK

11:58:26 YOU TO KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE

11:58:30 REQUIRED TO RECEIVE JOB-SPECIFIC AND OTHER TYPES OF

11:58:33 TRAINING IN ADDITION TO TRAINING.

11:58:42 SO IN ADDITION TO A T POLICE TRAINING THAT I HAVE ALREADY

11:58:45 DESCRIBED, EVERY TAMPA POLICE OFFICER IS REQUIRED TO

11:58:47 RECEIVE REGULAR TRAINING AND TESTING OF THEIR PHYSICAL

11:58:52 ABILITIES, OF THEIR USE OF FIREARMS AND TASERS, DEFENSIVE

11:58:56 DRIVING AND OTHER SUBJECTS, AND EVEN THOUGH IN THE LEGAL

11:59:00 DEPARTMENT, I KNOW SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN RELATE

11:59:02 TO THIS, HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN OVER 40 HOURS OF

11:59:06 CONTINUING LEGAL EDUCATION EVERY THREE YEARS, WHICH IS

11:59:09 AROUND 15-PLUS HOURS A YEAR, AND EVEN NEW COUNCIL

11:59:14 MEMBERS -- YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO -- ARE REQUIRED BY




11:59:18 STATE STATUTE TO RECEIVE FOUR HOURS OF ETHICS TRAINING

11:59:22 EVERY YEAR.

11:59:23 SO IN ADDITION TO EMERGENT BIAS TRAINING, WE ALL HAVE TO

11:59:27 RECEIVE A LOT OF OTHER TRAINING, SO IT JUST WOULD NOT BE

11:59:30 FEASIBLE OR NECESSARY TO ADD TO OUR EXISTING TRAINING

11:59:34 REQUIREMENTS THE AMOUNT OF HOURS OF TRAINING THAT'S A

11:59:38 RESTORATIVE COALITION IS SUGGESTING.

11:59:41 SO WITH THAT, THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION.

11:59:45 AND AGAIN, WE ARE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

11:59:48 YOU MAY HAVE.

11:59:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:59:51 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WAS THE MAKER OF THIS MOTION.

11:59:54 WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN GO DOWN THE

11:59:57 LINE.

11:59:58 GO AHEAD.

11:59:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:00:00 I APPRECIATE THAT.

12:00:01 I WANTED TO ECHO THE THANKS TO THE HARD WORK NOT JUST FOR

12:00:06 THE STAFF NOW BUT OF OUR CHARTER REVIEW BOARD MEMBERS

12:00:09 INCLUDING COUNCILMAN GUDES, CARLSON, CITRO, AS WELL AS SO

12:00:14 MANY OTHERS.

12:00:15 I ALWAYS LIKE TO BRAG ON MY FRIEND IKE STEVENS WHO I

12:00:19 BELIEVE HE'S THE GENTLEMAN ON THE BOARD WHO BROUGHT UP

12:00:22 THIS ISSUE.

12:00:23 AND MR. STEVENS IS JUST A GOOD PERSON AND I AM ALWAYS




12:00:27 THANKFUL FOR HIM AND EVERYBODY'S SERVICE.

12:00:29 WE NEED THIS ORDINANCE, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT IS

12:00:35 SOMETHING THAT EVERY GOOD -- SHOULD CERTAINLY HAVE ON THE

12:00:42 BOOKS.

12:00:44 I WILL JUST BE BLUNT.

12:00:45 I HAVE BEEN OUTRAGED BY WHAT I READ FROM SOME OF OUR

12:00:48 NATIONAL LEADERS WHO PUT DOWN THE IDEA THAT THERE IS

12:00:52 IMPLICIT BIAS, OR CERTAIN NATIONAL LEADERS EXPRESS THAT.

12:00:56 IT IS BEYOND ME HOW ANYBODY CAN CONTEST THAN THE IDEA OF

12:01:00 IMPLICIT BIAS IN THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN.

12:01:03 WE HAVE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE EXPLICIT, BASED ON VIOLENCE

12:01:10 MANIFESTED, IN MINNEAPOLIS, WE SAW IT IN CHARLOTTESVILLE,

12:01:16 TREE OF LIFE, ET CETERA, AND WE HAVE TRAGEDIES THAT ARE

12:01:18 PERSON TO PERSON, PERSON TO GROUP, DEALING WITH IMPLICIT

12:01:22 BIAS BASED ON HOW PEOPLE ARE RAISE, THE FOLKS THAT PEOPLE

12:01:27 AFFILIATE WITH, AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE OFTEN

12:01:30 EXPLICITLY HAVE A NEGATIVE REACTION TO.

12:01:32 AND THERE ARE SO MANY SITUATIONS WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT

12:01:37 THE OFTEN VIOLENT SITUATIONS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE OF

12:01:42 DIFFERENT CHALLENGES.

12:01:44 WE TALKED ABOUT CIVILITY AND THE GREAT GAINS THAT WE MADE

12:01:48 IN THE CITY WITH REGARDS TO AUTISM, DEFINITIONS LIKE

12:01:52 THAT.

12:01:53 MY BROTHER AS MANY OF YOU KNOW IS INTELLECTUALLY

12:01:56 DISABLED.




12:01:56 I KNOW THAT FIRST HAND.

12:01:58 AND HOW FOLKS NEED TO BE PROPERLY TRAINED IN HOW TO DEAL

12:02:01 WITH THOSE WITH DISABILITY.

12:02:02 I ALSO COME FROM A DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT I

12:02:05 WOULD PUT A MONETARY BET ON IS THE MOST RELIGIOUSLY

12:02:13 DIVERSE DISTRICT.

12:02:14 WE HAVE CHRISTIANS.

12:02:16 WE HAVE JEWS.

12:02:18 WE HAVE SIKHS.

12:02:22 WE KNOW THAT ANTI-SEMITISM EXISTS.

12:02:25 WE KNOW ISLAMOPHOBIA EXISTS.

12:02:28 AND ALSO ON THE BASIS OF SEXUAL GENDER AND IDENTITY.

12:02:32 I WILL JUST BE BLUNT.

12:02:33 AS WE GROW AS PEOPLE, WE LEARN DIFFERENT MORAL TRUTHS

12:02:37 THAT WE ARE MAYBE BROUGHT UP WITH.

12:02:38 AND I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING, IS YOUR

12:02:42 ATTITUDE NOW ON THE LGBT COMMUNITY THE SAME AS IT WAS 30

12:02:47 YEARS AGO?

12:02:48 I'M 42.

12:02:49 WE ARE RAISED WITH CERTAIN THINGS.

12:02:50 THAT CREATES IMPLICIT BIAS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO OVERCOME.

12:02:54 THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HERE WITH

12:02:56 US.

12:02:57 I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

12:02:58 I WANT TO CONFIRM THIS, THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT




12:03:01 PUSHES FORTH IN LARGE PART TRAINING, NOT BY INTERNAL

12:03:07 PERSON BUT BY OUTSIDE PARTY WITH A DEMONSTRATED RECORD OF

12:03:12 SENSITIVITY, THE ISSUES THAT IT COSTS EXTRA MONEY, YES,

12:03:15 BUT IT'S WELL WORTH IT NOT ONLY ON THE WORLD PRINCIPLE,

12:03:19 BUT IT'S ALSO WORTH IT ON THE LEGAL BASIS AS WELL.

12:03:24 I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE UPDATED IF CITY COUNCIL

12:03:31 WANTS TO HEAR ONCE A YEAR ON THIS ORDINANCE AND THE

12:03:33 PROGRESS THAT WE ARE MAKING, THE STEPS THAT WE ARE

12:03:35 TAKING, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE.

12:03:38 WE DO THIS I THINK FOR TWO REASONS.

12:03:40 ALL RIGHT.

12:03:41 NUMBER ONE, THIS ORDINANCE AND HOW IT'S GOING.

12:03:46 NUMBER TWO IS REALITY.

12:03:49 IN 1965, THE IDENTITIES THAT PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT FOR

12:03:53 CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES AREN'T THE SAME AS IN 2000, NOT THE

12:03:59 SAME AS 2020.

12:04:07 WE OUGHT TO BE BRIEFED ON THIS ONCE A YEAR SO THAT WE CAN

12:04:09 LOOK FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

12:04:11 AND WITH REGARDS TO TRAINING HOURS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO

12:04:14 MEASURE IT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH.

12:04:17 AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT TODAY AS

12:04:22 WELL AS YEAR BY YEAR FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE TO

12:04:24 THE ORDINANCE.

12:04:24 I THINK THOSE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE

12:04:27 THAT ARE IN THERE, AND AGAIN THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.




12:04:30 AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TAKE AN

12:04:33 AGGRESSIVE STEP ON THIS ESPECIALLY WITH NATIONAL VOICES,

12:04:38 DENY THE EXISTENCE, AS OUTLANDISH AS IT MAY BE, WE HAVE

12:04:46 THAT AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A STAND ON THAT.

12:04:48 THANKS, MR. CHAIR.

12:04:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:04:50 NEXT WE GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:04:52 GO AHEAD, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:04:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP,

12:04:56 CHAIR.

12:04:57 THIS IS A HOT TOPIC FOR ME.

12:05:03 I CAN REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST BECAME A POLICE OFFICER AND

12:05:06 SANDY FREEDMAN'S NEED TO HIRE MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS.

12:05:12 BUT SHE I SUPPORT -- AND HE WAS TASKED WITH PUTTING ON

12:05:20 THIS TYPE OF TRAINING IN PERSON.

12:05:26 A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

12:05:30 THAT MR. TOKLEY WAS WRONG.

12:05:33 IN-PERSON TRAINING, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IMPLICIT

12:05:36 BIAS, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE -- I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO USE

12:05:44 OTHER MECHANISMS TO GET THE POINT ACROSS.

12:05:46 THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR A CHIEF DIVERSITY OFFICER, SOMEONE

12:05:50 WHO CAN MONITOR THE SITUATIONS THAT ARE GOING NOT JUST

12:05:53 WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

12:06:03 THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE ISSUES, TOO.

12:06:05 I'M A BLACK MALE AND PEOPLE CALL MY OFFICE, THINGS ARE




12:06:08 GOING ON, THINGS NEED TO BE DONE.

12:06:11 TRAINING.

12:06:13 YOU CAN TRAIN ALL DAY LONG, BUT A PERSON'S CONSCIENCE

12:06:22 REALLY MAKES THEM CHANGE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE.

12:06:24 BUT I KNOW TRAINING IS NEEDED.

12:06:29 AND I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHO IS TRAINING WHO?

12:06:33 WE CAN SELECT SOME PEOPLE, BUT ARE THEY REALLY HAVING THE

12:06:39 HEART TO TRAIN AND GET TO THE NITTY GRITTY, GET TO THE

12:06:42 SOUL OF THOSE WHO MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT

12:06:45 COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THE BLACK MAN OR YOUNG BOY.

12:06:48 I HAD TO BE TOLD BY MY PARENTS WHEN I COULD GO, WHAT TO

12:06:51 SAY, HOW TO DRESS, HOW TO ACT AROUND WHITE FOLKS.

12:06:56 WHERE OTHERS NEVER HAD TO HAVE THAT TRAINING.

12:06:59 TO ME IT'S WHO IS TRAINING THE TRAINERS AND WHO IS

12:07:02 GETTING THE PORTION OUT.

12:07:06 YOU CAN GO TO SCHOOL AND YOU CAN HAVE THE BEST KNOWLEDGE

12:07:10 OF EVERYTHING AND IF YOU NEVER HAD TO REALLY EXPERIENCE

12:07:14 BEING IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDERSERVED, BEING AROUND

12:07:18 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DISABILITY, WORKING WITH THEM, THAT'S

12:07:23 HOW YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE.

12:07:28 FORTUNATELY I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY BEING A COACH OF

12:07:32 KIDS WITH DISABILITIES, TO UNDERSTAND THEIR DISABILITY,

12:07:34 AND HOW THEY FEEL THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF PLAYING BALL.

12:07:40 SO FOR ME, WHEN YOU PUT TRAINING IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU

12:07:44 HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCE, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO GO AND




12:07:47 EXPERIENCE THOSE AND SOMETIMES SAY, WOW, I DIDN'T

12:07:53 REALIZE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

12:07:54 I HAD A -- A YEAR AGO I HAD TO MEET WITH SOME PEOPLE TO

12:08:01 UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.

12:08:09 THAT WORD IS USED ALL THE TIME.

12:08:11 BUT THERE WERE SOME GOOD FOLKS TALKING AND COMMUNICATING,

12:08:14 AND I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE WE HAD

12:08:17 SOME AFRICAN AMERICANS SAYING THAT WORD NOT REALLY

12:08:19 KNOWING WHAT IT MANES AND KNOWING THE CULTURE.

12:08:22 IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE CULTURE, IT'S SOMETIMES AN HONEST

12:08:28 MISTAKE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW.

12:08:29 AND TRAINING IS IMPORTANT.

12:08:31 BUT I'M HOPING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL COME BACK

12:08:35 WITH HOPEFULLY THAT IDEA OF EMPLOYING THE CHIEF DIVERSITY

12:08:41 OFFICER, AND EVEN TODAY MAKING SURE THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO

12:08:46 REALLY LIVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO COME IN AND TALK

12:08:49 ABOUT THOSE THINGS, TO TALK ABOUT CULTURE.

12:08:52 SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, MAKING SURE

12:08:54 THAT WE ARE GETTING THE POINT ACROSS AND PEOPLE ARE

12:08:56 ACTUALLY BEING TRAINED AND THEY ARE BEING TOUCHED BY WHAT

12:09:00 IS REALITY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.

12:09:02 I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:09:03 THANK YOU.

12:09:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

12:09:06 COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER, YOU ARE NEXT.




12:09:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:09:13 AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.

12:09:19 I APPRECIATE THE PROFFER'S CONVERSATION.

12:09:31 I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HER.

12:09:32 >> I'M HERE.

12:09:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK RECENTLY, I READ AN ARTICLE,

12:09:37 A LENGTHY ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT IMPLICIT

12:09:41 BIAS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, GOING ON ALL OVER THE NATION,

12:09:44 AND CONTROVERSIAL AS ONE MIGHT EXPECT.

12:09:56 IT TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THAT DIFFERENT CITIES

12:09:59 ARE UTILIZING.

12:10:00 I DO HAVE CONCERNS -- I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT SORT OF A

12:10:05 MINIMAL -- A MINIMAL APPROACH ON THIS.

12:10:11 DO YOU SEE ANY DOWN-SIDE, IF EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE

12:10:16 THE CITY, YOU KNOW, INCREASED THE NUMBER OF HOURS FOR THE

12:10:22 BIAS TRAINING, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR,

12:10:26 OR WHATEVER, JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY FRESH AND SHARP ON

12:10:30 THOSE ISSUES?

12:10:30 >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

12:10:35 IT'S A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

12:10:37 I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T DETERMINE THE

12:10:39 NUMBER OF HOURS BUT THE ISSUE ALONE.

12:10:43 IT'S REALLY HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED TO CONVEY WHAT NEEDS

12:10:46 TO BE CONVEYED?

12:10:48 AND AS I SAID BEFORE, WE FELT THAT THAT FIRST TRAINING, 8




12:10:51 HOURS, OF STAFF IS SUFFICIENT.

12:10:55 BUT THE POINT YOU MAKE THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT,

12:10:58 MAYBE NOT BRINGING THEM BACK FOR OUR FIVE TIMES A YEAR

12:11:02 BEFORE TO BOOST THEIR TRAINING BUT MAKING SURE THEY GET

12:11:06 THOSE REINFORCED MESSAGES.

12:11:08 WE RECENTLY MADE A VIDEO.

12:11:10 IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE, WHICH IS A ROLL CALL VIDEO THAT

12:11:16 APPEARS TO POLICING CONCEPT TO THE PROBLEM WE HAVE BEEN

12:11:19 HEARING ABOUT PEOPLE OF COLOR WEARING MASKS, AND YOU KNOW

12:11:23 WALMART OR WHATEVER, AND HAVING THE POLICE CALLED.

12:11:25 AND WE MADE A COMMITMENT AT FIP TO MAKE MORE OF THOSE.

12:11:30 SO WHAT I WOULD SEE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IS WE DO

12:11:33 BELIEVE IN OUR BASIC 18 MONTHS FOR THE BOOSTER BUT YOUR

12:11:39 POINT IS WELL TAKEN AND I THINK IT CAN BE DONE IN SHORT

12:11:42 SPURTS.

12:11:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

12:11:45 WELL, MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THOSE,

12:11:53 WHATEVER ORDINANCE WE WOULD LIKE TO DO.

12:11:57 THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, AND I HATE TO EVEN BRING IT UP,

12:12:02 I'M NOT A NAYSAYER, BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT

12:12:06 ARTICLE -- DID YOU SEE THE ARTICLE IN THE TIMES?

12:12:08 THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE IN THAT ARTICLE THAT SAID THE

12:12:14 QUESTION -- THEY QUESTION THE EFFICACY OF THESE PROGRAMS

12:12:17 AT ALL.

12:12:18 AND I GUESS I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS TRAINING.




12:12:23 I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA AND GUDES SAID IT VERY WELL.

12:12:26 THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TYPE OF TRAINING.

12:12:30 FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING COUNCIL MEMBERS.

12:12:36 BUT HAVING DONE RESEARCH, AND ALSO, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN

12:12:42 THE CITY, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WITHIN THE CITY, AS

12:12:45 A FOLLOW-UP TO IDENTIFY IF IT'S WORKING, AND DO WE HAVE A

12:12:51 BENCHMARK, AND DO WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT WAYS TO -- I KNOW

12:13:02 IT'S SORT OF VAPOROUS AND VAGUE IN TERMS OF TESTING, BUT

12:13:06 WHO HOW DO YOU GET TESTED?

12:13:08 >> FIRST OF ALL, WE DO KNOW FROM REPORTS OF PARTICIPANTS

12:13:14 AND SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH ABOUT THE FACT THAT

12:13:17 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

12:13:21 I MENTIONED THEY COME IN OVEN VERY DEFENSIVE, AND WE END

12:13:26 UP GETTING -- AND MANY OTHER TRAINING PROGRAMS, TOO --

12:13:30 WHAT WE GET WHEN WE ASK THEM, THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT MY

12:13:35 PROFESSIONAL LIFE.

12:13:36 I ALSO LIKE THE FACT THEY SAY THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT ME

12:13:39 AS A HUMAN.

12:13:40 BUT IN ADDITION TO TRAINING, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AND

12:13:45 GROWING BODY OF SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL RESEARCH SHOWING

12:13:49 THAT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING IMPACTS A ATTITUDE, RETENTION

12:13:53 AND BEHAVIOR.

12:13:54 AND COUNCIL PERSON, THIS IS VERY VARIOUS AUDIENCES,

12:13:59 VARIOUS TYPES OF GROUPS.

12:14:00 AND AN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, COMPARED TO MEMBERS OF A




12:14:04 CONTROL GROUP, INCREASE AWARENESS AND CONCERN ABOUT

12:14:09 DISCRIMINATION PRODUCES IN THOSE TRAINING, IMPLICIT BIAS

12:14:13 TRAINING, INCREASE BIAS AWARENESS AND CONCERN

12:14:15 ABOUT DISCRIMINATION, INCREASED MOTIVATION, AND INTENTION

12:14:22 TO USE BIAS REDUCING AND BIAS MANAGING.

12:14:28 AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THERE ARE STUDIES THAT DOCUMENT

12:14:30 REDUCTIONS IN BIAS BEHAVIOR AS A RESULT OF THIS TRAINING.

12:14:35 AS ONE EXAMPLE, RESEARCHERS HAVE DOCUMENTED THE HIRING,

12:14:39 GREATER HIRING OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES IN THE UNIVERSITY

12:14:43 DEPARTMENTS THAT WE SEE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING COMPARED

12:14:46 TO THOSE THAT DO NOT.

12:14:48 NOW, AS I MENTIONED, THIS HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED ON VARIOUS

12:14:53 TYPES OF TRAINING AUDIENCES.

12:14:54 THERE ARE SEVERAL FORTHCOMING EVALUATIONS OF IMPLICIT

12:14:57 BIAS TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

12:15:00 AND WITH THOSE STUDIES WE WILL DOCUMENT THE CHANGES I

12:15:05 DESCRIBED ABOVE.

12:15:08 WE HOPE IT SHOWS THEY ARE COMMITTED TO USING BIAS

12:15:11 MANAGEMENT TECHNIQUES.

12:15:13 I WOULD LIKE TO FIND THAT SUPERVISORS EMBRACE THEIR ROLE

12:15:17 OF SUPERVISING OF FAIRNESS, IMPARTIAL POLICING.

12:15:22 BUT I DO WANT TO THROW OUT ONE CAUTIONARY NOTE.

12:15:25 BECAUSE OF COURSE THE BIG QUESTION IS, DOES IT IMPACT

12:15:28 BEHAVIOR?

12:15:28 AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW.




12:15:30 UNFORTUNATELY, SOCIAL SCIENCE CAN'T ANSWER THE EVERY

12:15:35 QUESTION WE ASK OF IT.

12:15:37 AND EVEN A WELL-DONE STUDY WITH METHODOLOGY IS GOING TO

12:15:41 BE INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING TO MEASURE CHANGES -- I HAVE

12:15:48 BEEN UNABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEASURE THAT.

12:15:51 I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE IT.

12:15:52 SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WEISS WANT

12:15:54 BUT THAT IS SOME OF THE EVALUATIONS WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN

12:15:56 DONE AND THAT WE EXPECT.

12:15:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

12:16:00 I APPRECIATE THAT.

12:16:01 MR. BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON METRICS AND

12:16:07 HOW WE MIGHT BE EVALUATING OUR PROGRESS IN THIS AREA?

12:16:10 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I'M NOT SURE CHIEF BENNETT IS STILL ON

12:16:24 THE LINE.

12:16:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEANT CHIEF DUGAN.

12:16:26 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OH.

12:16:29 IF NECESSARY, WE CAN GET A REPORT BACK.

12:16:37 YOU ARE BASICALLY JUST ASKING, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF

12:16:41 WE HAVE ANY RESEARCH EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TRAINING,

12:16:45 CORRECT?

12:16:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YEAH, RESEARCH.

12:16:48 DO WE HAVE ANY PROPOSED WAY TO ANALYZE OUR SUCCESS IN

12:16:52 THESE PROGRAMS AS WE PROCEED IN THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS?

12:16:58 SO THAT'S FINE.




12:17:00 WHENEVER THIS COMES BACK TO US FOR DISCUSSION OR

12:17:03 ORDINANCE, I WOULD LIKE SOMEBODY, EITHER TPD OR CHIEF

12:17:07 BENNETT OR SOMEBODY TO TALK TO US ABOUT METRICS AND

12:17:11 ANALYSIS, ANALYZING OUR PROGRESS.

12:17:13 BUT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:17:14 I APPRECIATE IT.

12:17:17 THAT'S ALL.

12:17:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.

12:17:19 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING OR DO

12:17:22 YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

12:17:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, JUST QUICKLY.

12:17:25 I WAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH SOME OF MY

12:17:28 COLLEAGUES, AND I DIDN'T BRING UP THIS ISSUE BUT THE

12:17:36 COMMUNITY CAME ONE NIGHT AND ENFORCED ACCESS TO INCLUDE

12:17:40 IT IN ITS IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING.

12:17:44 WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS, AND AT THE TIME HEAD

12:17:49 OF THE TPA WAS THERE AND SAID DON'T SINGLE OUT POLICE BUT

12:17:53 MAKE SURE WE COVER THEM TO DO SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH ALL

12:17:57 EMPLOYEES, SO THAT'S THE MOTION THAT I THINK MR. IKE

12:18:03 STEVENS MADE, BUT GOING FORWARD TO APPLY TO ALL EMPLOYEES

12:18:08 OF THE CITY, AND THEN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT PASSED.

12:18:14 SUBSEQUENTLY, WE LOOKED AT HOW TO CODIFY THIS, JUST TO

12:18:18 MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HAPPENING, AND MEMBERS OF THE

12:18:22 COMMITTEE CAME UP AND SPOKE THAT NIGHT IN CHARTER REVIEW

12:18:25 COMMISSION CONTACTED AND MAYBE OTHERS WHO WERE ON THE




12:18:27 COMMITTEE AND SAID, WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN CODIFIED, THE

12:18:31 KIND OF TRAINING YOU ASKED FOR, NOT BEING PUT FORWARD?

12:18:34 AND SO MY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS REALLY, I JUST WANT TO

12:18:40 MAKE SURE THAT STAFF MEMBERS DEALING WITH THIS ARE

12:18:44 TALKING TO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO RECOMMENDED

12:18:47 IT AND IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SENT TO US BY

12:18:50 SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

12:18:52 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A DIALOGUE WITH STAFF

12:18:55 THAT TRIED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF PEOPLE WHO ASKED

12:18:57 FOR THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

12:18:59 THANK YOU.

12:18:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:19:06 COUNCILMAN CITRO.

12:19:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU.

12:19:15 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:19:16 FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THIS

12:19:22 WORKSHOP, ASKED SEVERAL QUESTIONS OF ALL THE MEMBERS AND

12:19:25 ONE THAT IMPRESSED ME THE MOST IS SHOW OF HANDS, WHO HERE

12:19:28 IS BIASED?

12:19:29 AND THAT MADE ME TURN AND FACE MYSELF.

12:19:35 I AM GLAD AGAIN, AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED THE

12:19:38 WORK THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DID, LISTENING TO

12:19:42 THE PEOPLE, LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS ON THIS.

12:19:46 AND I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE ARE FINALLY BRINGING THIS TO

12:19:51 FRUITION.




12:19:52 MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:19:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:19:54 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR

12:19:57 QUESTIONS?

12:19:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I DO NOT.

12:19:59 I WENT TO THE TRAINING, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT

12:20:05 DOCTOR IS FANTASTIC.

12:20:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:20:09 JUST TO WRAP UP.

12:20:10 AGAIN I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE

12:20:13 DISCUSSION REGARDING BIAS AND IMPLICIT BIAS REMIND ME OF

12:20:16 A QUOTE FROM THE MOVIE "APOCALYPSE NOW," AND JUDGMENT

12:20:23 DEFEATS US.

12:20:24 AND WE ARE HERE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE JUDGE OTHERS,

12:20:28 BUT THROUGH THAT JUDGMENT, WE CAN EDUCATE EACH OTHER AND

12:20:31 LEARN ABOUT EACH OTHER.

12:20:33 AND SO THAT WE UNDERSTANDS OTHER PEOPLE, UNDERSTAND

12:20:38 PEOPLE IN GENERAL WHERE WE ELIMINATE THAT WORD JUDGMENT

12:20:42 FROM OUR VOCABULARY, AND WE EMPHASIZE THE WORD

12:20:46 UNDERSTANDING.

12:20:47 SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS HUMAN BEINGS, AND IT'S

12:20:56 UNFORTUNATE IN SEVERAL COUNTRIES, THROUGH SLAVERY,

12:20:59 THROUGH DIFFERENT TAPES OF DISCRIMINATION, EVERY

12:21:01 GENERATION HAS SOMETHING, ITSELF SEEMS.

12:21:02 BUT THROUGH THESE TYPES OF TRAINING, WE BETTER EDUCATE




12:21:06 OURSELVES, WE LEARN FROM ONE ANOTHER, AND COUNCILMAN

12:21:13 CHAIR PRO TEM CITRO JUST MENTIONED, WHEN ASKED ABOUT

12:21:17 BIAS, AND I LOOKED AROUND AND I LOOKED AT MYSELF, AND WE

12:21:21 ARE ALL GUILTY TO SOME DEGREE.

12:21:23 NOBODY IS PERFECT.

12:21:24 BUT WE SHOULDN'T FEEL THAT GUILT.

12:21:25 WE SHOULD TRY TO BE BETTER PEOPLE, BETTER HUMAN BEINGS.

12:21:29 AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE NEED TO

12:21:33 EMPHASIZE MORE SO PEOPLE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND LEARN

12:21:38 BETTER ABOUT EACH OTHER.

12:21:42 AND THAT'S IT.

12:21:43 I APPRECIATE IT.

12:21:44 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:21:46 IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, IT IS 12:21.

12:21:50 WE HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS TO GO.

12:21:51 WOULD COUNCIL MEMBERS LIKE TO TAKE A RECESS FOR LUNCH

12:21:56 BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA?

12:21:58 OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE FINISH?

12:22:01 WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THE AGENDA TO GO.

12:22:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JOHN DINGFELDER.

12:22:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

12:22:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE STARTED OUT THIS MEETING

12:22:11 WITH A GOOD IDEA THAT THIS BE A 3-HOUR MEETING.

12:22:15 IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD 3-HOUR MEETING.

12:22:18 WE APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP.




12:22:20 I THINK THE ITEMS OUGHT TO BE REASONABLY DEFERRED UNTIL

12:22:26 THE AUGUST WORKSHOP.

12:22:31 I WAS CONTACTED BY SOMEBODY FROM LEGAL STAFF THAT

12:22:35 INDICATED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT.

12:22:37 I GUESS THEY CAN CHIME IN ON THAT AS WELL, THE PLANNERS

12:22:41 WHO MIGHT BE ON THE PHONE.

12:22:43 BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY URGENCY ON ANY OF THOSE.

12:22:46 WE COULD CARRY THOSE OVER TO AUGUST 27th.

12:22:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSING COUNCIL GOING

12:22:53 GREEN, WHICH I THINK IS -- BEYOND THAT WE HAVE THE

12:22:58 WORKSHOP REGARDING CHAPTER 14, BONUS DENSITY, AND

12:23:02 POSSIBILITY OF CHAPTER 27.

12:23:07 PER COUNCIL DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS, WOULD COUNCIL BE OKAY

12:23:10 WITH POSTPONING TO THE AUGUST WORKSHOP?

12:23:14 AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE EARLIER, IF YOU NOTED, COUNCIL

12:23:17 MEMBER CARLSON PUT ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR THAT DISCUSSION

12:23:21 TO SEPTEMBER WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE WITH THE CRB AND

12:23:24 POLICE AND EVERYTHING.

12:23:25 SO WE HAVE THAT, AND THAT WILL OPEN UP THE DAY.

12:23:29 I MEAN, THEREFORE, WE CAN DEFER THESE ITEMS, WHICH ARE

12:23:33 ITEMS 3, 5, 6 AND 7 TO THE AUGUST WORKSHOP, IF WE CAN

12:23:40 GET --

12:23:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL JUST DO THAT IN THE FORM OF A

12:23:46 MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:23:49 >>> ALL RIGHT.




12:23:49 WE HAVE A MOTION TO DEFER THESE ITEMS BY COUNCILMAN --

12:23:57 (AUDIO DISCONNECT).

12:24:06 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO POSTPONE?

12:24:13 3, 5, 6 AND 7.

12:24:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.

12:24:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BELIEVE THAT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER

12:24:19 GUDES.

12:24:20 ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS?

12:24:24 HEARING NONE, LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:24:30 (AUDIO ECHO)

12:24:32 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:24:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:24:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:24:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:24:42 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:24:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:24:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:24:51 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER

12:24:54 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES

12:24:57 SECONDING THE MOTION.

12:24:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

12:25:00 BEFORE WE CONTINUE, BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS, ITEM

12:25:03 NUMBER 8, IMPLICIT BIAS -- (AUDIO ECHO)

12:25:12 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY.

12:25:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A TECHNICAL




12:25:21 THING GOING ON.

12:25:22 COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:25:24 >> CAN EVERYBODY PLEASE --

12:25:43 >> (AUDIO ECHO CONTINUES)

12:25:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.

12:25:52 EVERY TIME I HAVE ECHO, WHICH IS WEIRD.

12:25:59 BUT THAT'S FINE.

12:26:00 BUT THAT'S FINE.

12:26:01 WHAT WAS THE -- WHAT WAS THE QUESTION -- THAT'S WHAT I

12:26:06 WAS ASKED LITTLE.

12:26:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I -- FOR THE SAKE OF

12:26:12 THE PEOPLE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE CLERK, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO

12:26:18 GO ON MUTE TO DROP THE ECHO.

12:26:20 TO DROP THE ECHO.

12:26:22 THANK YOU.

12:26:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT SEEMS LAKE THE ECHO IS GONE.

12:26:30 COUNCILMAN VIERA, BEGIN AGAIN.

12:26:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR.

12:26:35 WHAT QUESTION DID YOU ASK REGARDING EXPLICIT BIAS?

12:26:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY MOTIONS REGARDING ITEM

12:26:42 NUMBER 8 TO BE MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBERS?

12:26:44 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, YES.

12:26:47 AND I WANTED TO INQUIRE THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN, DOES

12:26:50 THIS CONTEMPLATE IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING BEING DONE BY

12:26:54 SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA?




12:26:57 I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT, IN WHOLE OR IN PART.

12:27:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THIS IS ANDREA ZELMAN AGAIN.

12:27:04 IT DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT, WITH REGARD TO THE LAW

12:27:09 ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.

12:27:11 WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS CAPTURE WHAT THE CITY IS DOING

12:27:15 NOW WITH THE IMPLICIT TRAINING BY SAYING THAT ANY

12:27:25 TRAINING WILL UTILIZE, WE HAVE A CURRICULUM BUT WE ARE

12:27:28 GOING TO CHANGE TO CURRICULA, CONSISTENT WITH THAT

12:27:31 DEVELOPED BY THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF

12:27:33 COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING SERVICES OR AN EQUIVALENT

12:27:38 PROGRAM.

12:27:38 AND THEN WE GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE TYPE

12:27:41 OF SUBJECT THAT HAS TO BE INCLUDED.

12:27:44 OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO NAME

12:27:46 A PARTICULAR COMPANY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT WE WANTED TO

12:27:51 REFLECT THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT DR. FRIDELL IS NOW

12:27:59 PROVIDING TO TPD.

12:27:59 WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY CONTEMPLATE ENOUGH BY TRAINER.

12:28:03 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY RAISES SO PROCUREMENT

12:28:08 ISSUES.

12:28:09 SO I WANTED TO -- MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, AGAIN, WE GAVE

12:28:15 YOU THIS ORDINANCE IN DRAFT FORM.

12:28:16 WE WILL DO IT AS SOME OF YOU SUGGESTED AND TALK TO THE

12:28:22 FOLKS AT THE RESTORATIVE JUSTICE COALITION AND ANY OTHER

12:28:25 INTERESTED PARTIES AND ALSO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH




12:28:31 INTO WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH REGARD TO HIRING AN

12:28:37 OUTSIDE TRAINER AS OPPOSED TO DOING IT INTERNALLY, AND

12:28:41 REPORT BACK TO YOU AT THE TIME WE BRING THE ORDINANCE TO

12:28:44 YOU, OWN A REGULAR AGENDA AT THAT POINT WE CAN AGAIN

12:28:51 ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO HAVE DISCUSSION WAS.

12:28:57 THAT WAS MY THOUGHT.

12:28:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

12:28:59 MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

12:29:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:29:03 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.

12:29:04 I WOULD THEN DO A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF, LEGAL,

12:29:08 RETURN TO US FOLLOWING THEIR INTERNAL DISCUSSION WAS AN

12:29:14 ORDINANCE THAT WOULD CONTEMPLATE WHAT WE SEE BEFORE US

12:29:16 TODAY, PLUS TRAINING DONE IN WHOLE OR IN PART, AND WE CAN

12:29:24 DEFINE THE LEVEL OF THAT TO BE DONE BY SOME OUTSIDE

12:29:27 AGENCY.

12:29:27 I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT

12:29:30 TO THAT BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU TAKE

12:29:32 A LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE, A LOT OF CIVIL LIBERTIES

12:29:37 ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT FORTH IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR

12:29:41 LOCAL GOVERNMENT, A LOT OF TIMES, WE SEE THAT AS

12:29:47 SOMETHING THAT IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDED.

12:29:49 I HAVE A BOOK, PROBABLY 25 YEARS AGO, BY THE NAACP, WITH

12:29:57 BENJAMIN HOOK, WHO WAS THEIR NATIONAL PRESIDENT, I

12:30:01 BELIEVE THAT TALKS ABOUT IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING, BY LAW




12:30:05 ENFORCEMENT, AND ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IT SAYS IS DO IT

12:30:08 WITH SOME SORT OF OUTSIDE GROUP SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY

12:30:11 DONE INTERNALLY.

12:30:12 THAT WAY YOU GET MORE, I THINK, POSITIVE WORK IN THAT

12:30:16 REGARD.

12:30:16 SO I MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT, AND TO HAVE CITY STAFF AND

12:30:20 LEGAL FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSIONS, AND RETURN TO US AT A

12:30:27 TIME THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH THE CHAIR, AS WELL AS WITH

12:30:31 AGAIN ANNUAL REPORTING TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE FROM THE

12:30:35 CITY.

12:30:36 WE CAN DO THAT WHENEVER WE PASS IT.

12:30:37 >> SECOND.

12:30:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE SEPTEMBER 3rd.

12:30:44 WE MAY NEED MORE TIME THAN THAT.

12:30:50 WE HAVE A SEPTEMBER 17th REGULAR MEETING.

12:30:52 >>LUIS VIERA: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU ALL THINK YOU WILL

12:31:03 NEED?

12:31:05 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.

12:31:06 I ALSO THINK IT MIGHT BE IN COUNCIL'S INTEREST GIVEN A

12:31:09 VERY BUSY SEPTEMBER WITH A LAND OF LAND USE AS WELL AS

12:31:12 THE CITY BUDGET.

12:31:16 THIS IS A MORE MEATY SUBJECT.

12:31:20 YOU MIGHT WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS COMPLETED

12:31:24 AND ALSO GIVE US MORE TIME AS WELL.

12:31:25 SO THANK YOU.




12:31:31 (OVERLAPPING CONVERSATIONS)

12:31:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. ZELMAN, ANY DATE IN OCTOBER?

12:31:37 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHICHEVER YOU CHOOSE.

12:31:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE HAVE A REGULAR --

12:31:57 >>> WE HAVE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING FOR OCTOBER

12:31:59 15th.

12:31:59 HOW IS THAT?

12:32:01 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

12:32:02 THANK YOU.

12:32:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR OCTOBER 15 BY

12:32:08 COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:32:09 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:32:11 LET'S TAP A ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:32:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:32:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:32:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:32:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:32:32 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:32:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:32:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:32:37 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA BEING MAKER

12:32:42 OF THE MOTION AND COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER SECONDING THE

12:32:45 MOTION.

12:32:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:32:48 ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS FOR ITEM




12:32:50 NUMBER 8?

12:32:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.

12:32:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.

12:32:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, I TALKED ABOUT THE WORD FIRST

12:33:00 RESPONDERS, AND WE KEEP SAYING LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF

12:33:04 DOJ AND THE ISSUES.

12:33:06 HOW ARE WE CATEGORIZING --

12:33:14 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES.

12:33:16 (ECHO AUDIO)

12:33:20 LUMPING FIRE AND POLICE TOGETHER AS FIRST RESPONDERS.

12:33:25 WHAT WE FOUND HOWEVER WAS THE TYPE OF TRAINING THAT LAW

12:33:30 ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE DOING, AND SO MUCH MORE THAN

12:33:39 EVEN FIRE AND ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, BUT IT JUST

12:33:42 MAKES SENSE TO US TO HAVE A SPECIAL CATEGORY FOR LAW

12:33:45 ENFORCEMENT, AND KEEP TAMPA FIRE GROUP WITH ALL THE OTHER

12:33:51 CITY EMPLOYEES.

12:33:53 IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING IT BACK

12:33:58 WHETHER WE SHOULD IN SOME WAY DISTINGUISH THE FAIR,

12:34:02 THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.

12:34:04 RIGHT NOW, THOUGH, THEY DO JUST SIMPLY TRAIN THE SAME WAY

12:34:08 AS OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES TRAIN OTHER THAN LAW ENFORCEMENT

12:34:12 OFFICERS.

12:34:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I

12:34:17 WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK INTO THAT.

12:34:18 I STILL THINK THAT PUBLIC SERVANTS AND FIRST RESPONDERS




12:34:22 ARE OUT THERE WITH THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND WHEN YOU TALK

12:34:24 ABOUT REGULAR CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE STILL NOT DOING

12:34:27 THE SAME AS THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

12:34:32 SO I JUST RAISE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONCERNS

12:34:38 THAT HAVE COME UP.

12:34:40 AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT

12:34:44 WE ARE ADDRESSING ALL MEANS, EVERY DEPARTMENT, AND FAIR

12:34:53 AS FIRST RESPONDERS.

12:34:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:35:02 THANK YOU, SIR.

12:35:02 ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS?

12:35:04 NO?

12:35:05 ALL RIGHT.

12:35:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:35:07 COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE THE MOTION.

12:35:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES SECOND.

12:35:12 THAT CONCLUDE OUR AGENDA BECAUSE WE CONTINUED THE OTHER

12:35:16 ITEMS.

12:35:16 WE NOW GO TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS BY

12:35:19 COUNCIL MEMBERS.

12:35:19 JUST A REMINDER, WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY MOTION

12:35:22 TONIGHT, AT OUR 6 P.M.

12:35:25 SO IF YOU HAVE ANY MOTIONS TO MAKE TODAY, NOW IS THE TIME

12:35:28 TO DO SO.

12:35:29 WE'LL START DOWN THE LINE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.




12:35:34 IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS OR ANY MOTIONS.

12:35:37 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NONE SIR.

12:35:38 I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

12:35:39 NONE.

12:35:40 >>> COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TODAY?

12:35:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

12:35:45 YES.

12:35:45 I MOVE A REQUEST BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SETTING A

12:35:50 PLANNED AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 20-18, AND

12:35:59 TACPA 20-20 ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 10th, 2020,

12:36:08 AT 5:01 P.M.

12:36:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN

12:36:12 CITRO.

12:36:13 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

12:36:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, MIRANDA.

12:36:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:36:19 ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:36:19 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?

12:36:26 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:36:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:36:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU WANT TO BUNDLE THEM IF THERE'S

12:36:36 MORE OF THESE.

12:36:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

12:36:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:36:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.




12:36:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:36:57 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO BEING THE MAKER, MIRANDA

12:37:04 SECONDING THE MOTION.

12:37:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY MORE DO YOU HAVE?

12:37:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE ONE MORE LIKE THIS AND YOU HAVE

12:37:09 THREE OTHERS.

12:37:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT K.WE BUNDLE THE THREE

12:37:13 OTHERS TOGETHER AND DO THIS ONE SEPARATE?

12:37:15 OR ARE WE --

12:37:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

12:37:17 MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT ITEMS.

12:37:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.

12:37:21 >> I HOPE THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH COUNCIL.

12:37:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

12:37:27 WE'LL GET IT DONE.

12:37:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:37:31 I DO APPRECIATE IT.

12:37:31 NEXT ONE I MOVE A REQUEST FOR PLANNING COMMISSION CITY

12:37:34 PLAN AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 19-18-AG, TACPA

12:37:42 19-21, TACPA 20-11, TA-CPA 20-13, TACPA 20-14, T AC

12:37:58 20-15, TACPA 20-16, TACPA 2017, TACPA 20-19, AND THE

12:38:08 PLANNING AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL HEARING WITH TACPA 20-12

12:38:13 ON THE EVENING OF SEPTEMBER 20th -- EXCUSE ME,

12:38:18 SEPTEMBER 24th, 2020 AT 5:01 P.M.

12:38:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.




12:38:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:38:26 ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:38:26 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:38:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:38:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:38:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:38:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:38:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:38:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:38:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

12:38:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY PROCEED.

12:38:55 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:38:57 I MOVE FOR STAFF FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, CODE

12:39:01 ENFORCEMENT AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY

12:39:04 RESPONSIBLE FOR REPORTING OF ENDORSEMENT OF THE MAYOR'S

12:39:08 EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRING FACE MASKS AT BUSINESSES,

12:39:12 EXECUTIVE ORDER 2020-30, REPORT OR UPDATE ON ENFORCEMENT.

12:39:18 THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY NUMBER

12:39:23 OF WARNING ISSUES, NUMBER OF CITATIONS ISSUED, NUMBER OF

12:39:27 REPORTS OF NONCOMPLIANCE, UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER, THE

12:39:35 REPORT SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE AN EXPLANATION OF HOW THESE

12:39:39 DEPARTMENTS ARE RESPONDING TO NUMEROUS PHOTOS APPEARING

12:39:42 ONLINE VIA SOCIAL MEDIA OF NONCOMPLIANT BUSINESS.

12:39:49 MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE ARE OWNERS THAT ARE

12:39:55 COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY ARE SHUT DOWN, BUT YET THEY




12:39:57 START SEEING ALL THESE OTHER SO-CALLED BARS OPERATING AND

12:40:03 THEY DO NOT FEEL IT FITS THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS

12:40:06 ORDINANCE.

12:40:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

12:40:33 (NO AUDIO)

12:40:57 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: DID WE LOSE THE CHAIR AND ALSO WAS

12:41:01 THERE --

12:41:04 >>> I'M HERE NOW.

12:41:05 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND BY

12:41:08 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

12:41:09 GO AHEAD WITH THE VOTE.

12:41:09 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:41:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:41:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:41:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:41:30 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:41:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:41:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:41:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO BEING THE MAKER

12:41:42 OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA THE SECONDER TO THE

12:41:45 MOTION.

12:41:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU HAVE MORE?

12:41:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, I DO.

12:41:50 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:41:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.




12:41:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE THAT STAFF REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL

12:41:55 ON SEPTEMBER 3rd ON HOW OUR VIRTUAL PROCEEDINGS HAVE

12:42:00 PROGRESSED, AND HOW AND CAN WHEN CITY COUNCIL RETURNS TO

12:42:05 IN PERSON PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS IN

12:42:11 THE EVENT THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT EXTEND HIS EXECUTIVE

12:42:14 ORDER AFTER SEPTEMBER 1st.

12:42:18 THAT'S THE END OF MY MOTION.

12:42:20 AND BUT MR. YOU ARE A COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE WERE HELD IN

12:42:23 LIMBO AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS GOING TO EXTEND HIS

12:42:26 EXECUTIVE ORDER PAST AUGUST 1st.

12:42:32 THAT'S THE REASON FOR MY MOTION.

12:42:34 MR. CHAIR, IF YOU COULD ALSO ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS, YES OR

12:42:36 NO, IF THEY WILL COMMIT TO DOING PHYSICAL QUORUM FOR

12:42:43 QUASI-JUDICIAL IN THE FUTURE SHOULD THAT OCCUR.

12:42:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, MIRANDA.

12:42:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER

12:42:50 CITRO WITHIN A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

12:42:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:42:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

12:42:58 QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

12:43:00 DINGFELDER.

12:43:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN

12:43:07 GUDES.

12:43:08 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER FIRST AND THEN COUNCILMAN GUDES IS

12:43:11 WHO I HEARD.




12:43:12 GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:43:14 >> THANK YOU.

12:43:18 I'M TOTALLY CONFUSED ON THE MOTION ITSELF.

12:43:21 ESSENTIALLY THE SECOND PART.

12:43:23 HE'S LOOKING FOR A COMMITMENT FROM COUNCIL TO APPEAR AT

12:43:27 SOME FUTURE MEETINGS WHEN WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE STATUS

12:43:30 OF THE COVID SITUATION IS GOING TO BE?

12:43:34 LAST WEEK WE HAD A REPORT AND SUGGESTION FROM DR. HOLT

12:43:37 THAT WE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE COVID SITUATION AND WAIT

12:43:42 FOR THE NUMBERS TO GO DOWN AND THE PERCENTAGES TO GO DOWN

12:43:44 BEFORE WE MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMITMENTS AS A BODY.

12:43:48 SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE INTENT OF THE MOTION IS.

12:43:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:43:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THAT.

12:43:59 I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

12:44:00 I JUST GOT A PHONE CALL, MY DEAR FRIEND, A CITY EMPLOYEE,

12:44:04 WAS JUST PASSED, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTION THE

12:44:12 NUMBERS ARE RISING STILL AND THE DEATHS ARE RISING IN THE

12:44:16 CITY.

12:44:16 I NEED MORE CLARIFICATION.

12:44:18 I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH, ANY IN-PERSON MEETING, I WILL

12:44:20 NOT RESPOND TO.

12:44:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN

12:44:23 CITRO.

12:44:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE CALL




12:44:28 ME, E-MAIL ME, THAT ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING AND LAND USE,

12:44:37 WITHIN OUR CITY, THAT WANT TO GO BACK TO VIRTUAL PHYSICAL

12:44:45 QUORUM, QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS, SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THEM.

12:44:54 I HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH LEGAL, AND WHAT I AM ASKING ON

12:44:56 SEPTEMBER 3rd IS JUST TO REPORT HOW THESE VIRTUAL

12:44:59 MEETINGS ARE HELD UP -- EXCUSE ME, ARE BEING HANDLED SO

12:45:06 THAT WE CAN GET A FIRM GRASP ON HOW THIS IS WORKING.

12:45:09 THE SECOND PART, THE QUESTION I HAVE, HAS NOW BEEN

12:45:12 ANSWERED BY TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SAYING THEY DON'T

12:45:17 WANT TO MEET IN A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

12:45:19 HOWEVER, AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING I ONLY HEARD FROM

12:45:22 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND MYSELF AND COUNCILMAN VIERA ON WHO

12:45:25 WOULD BE WILLING TO COME FOR PHYSICAL FORUM.

12:45:29 WE CAN GO INTO A HYBRID, BUT MY QUESTION IS JUST WHO WILL

12:45:33 COMMIT TO BEING THERE FOR PHYSICAL QUORUM, MUCH LIKE WHAT

12:45:37 WAS REQUESTED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

12:45:40 SO WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON

12:45:42 SEPTEMBER 3rd ON HOW OUR VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE

12:45:45 PROGRESSING, AND, JUST UP OR DOWN, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO

12:45:50 COME IN FOR PHYSICAL QUORUM IN THE FUTURE FOR

12:45:54 QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS.

12:45:55 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:45:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

12:45:59 HAVING CLARIFICATION FOR A STAFF REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER

12:46:03 3rd.




12:46:03 ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ANY COUNCIL

12:46:05 MEMBERS?

12:46:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION TO AMEND, TO MODIFY THE

12:46:10 MOTION.

12:46:11 THE MOTION FOR SUBSTANTIVE MOTION, EITHER WAY.

12:46:14 MR. CITRO,

12:46:16 I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST PART OF YOUR MOTION.

12:46:19 I THINK IT'S WELL INTENDED, AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO VOTE

12:46:22 IN FAVOR OF IT.

12:46:23 FOR A REPORT FROM STAFF ON SEPTEMBER WHATEVER.

12:46:26 AS TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

12:46:30 I WOULD ASK YOU TO BIFURCATE YOUR MOTION INTO TWO

12:46:33 SEPARATE MOTIONS.

12:46:34 AND THAT WAY WE CAN VOTE ON THE SECOND MOTION.

12:46:37 BECAUSE I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY CRYSTAL BALL THAT YOU HAVE,

12:46:40 MR. CITRO, IF YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT THE COVID NUMBERS ARE

12:46:43 GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 3rd, THEN I WILL BE GLAD TO

12:46:45 COMMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

12:46:46 WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS -- I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK

12:46:51 US TO BUNDLE THOSE TWO MOTIONS.

12:46:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. DINGFELDER, LET ME CLARIFY.

12:46:58 I ONLY HAVE ONE MOTION.

12:46:59 THE OTHER WAS JUST A REQUEST FOR MR. CHAIR TO ASK WHO

12:47:03 WOULD COMMIT.

12:47:05 THAT WASN'T A SECOND MOTION.




12:47:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, YOU ARE MAKING IT PART OF THE

12:47:09 SAME MOTION.

12:47:10 I WOULD ASK YOU TO BIFURCATE THAT INTO ONE MOTION AND ONE

12:47:13 REQUEST.

12:47:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WELL, I AM NOT DISAGREEING.

12:47:18 YES, I AM DISAGREEING WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:47:21 I FINISHED MY MOTION.

12:47:23 AND THEN I REQUESTED THAT THE CHAIR JUST CONFIRM WHO

12:47:27 WOULD BE WILLING.

12:47:28 IT WASN'T A MOTION.

12:47:29 IT WAS JUST A QUESTION.

12:47:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

12:47:33 SO YOU ARE MAKING SEPTEMBER.

12:47:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEPTEMBER 3rd, YES, FOR A REPORT ON

12:47:41 HOW THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS ARE GOING.

12:47:43 AND WHEN AND IF WE CAN RETURN TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL IN

12:47:50 PERSON QUORUM.

12:47:53 IN THE EVENT THAT OUR GOVERNOR DOESN'T RENEW HIS

12:47:57 EXECUTIVE ORDER ON SEPTEMBER 1st.

12:47:59 >> NOW WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A STAFF REPORT FOR SEPTEMBER

12:48:05 3rd.

12:48:07 REGARDING COUNCILMAN CITRO'S MOTION.

12:48:09 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT?

12:48:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.

12:48:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.




12:48:15 ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:48:16 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO EXPLAIN THE WORDING.

12:48:24 THANK YOU FOR THAT.

12:48:25 I VOTE YES ON THIS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO

12:48:28 HAVE A REPORT ON THIS.

12:48:30 MANY DIFFERENT THINGS CAN CHANGE FROM WITH WEEK TO WEEK,

12:48:33 MONTH TO MONTH.

12:48:34 SO I VIEW THIS AS CARRYING FORWARD A REPORT.

12:48:37 AND THERE YOU GO.

12:48:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:48:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:48:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:48:51 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:48:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:48:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:49:01 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN CITRO BEING

12:49:04 THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SECONDING

12:49:07 THE MOTION.

12:49:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN CITRO?

12:49:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:49:11 JUST ONE LAST THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:49:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:49:14 STAFF WANTED ME TO RESTATE MY MOTION FOR I BELIEVE IT IS

12:49:21 THE SEPTEMBER 24th MEETING, FILE NUMBER E-2019-8,

12:49:30 TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED THAT I RESTATE A




12:49:33 MOTION MADE -- EXCUSE ME, MY ADDITION TO A MOTION THAT

12:49:38 WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

12:49:40 THE REASON I WANT STAFF HERE AND ANSWER THAT IS BECAUSE

12:49:44 OF DENSITY WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

12:49:49 ONE DAY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT PARKING CHANGES.

12:49:52 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DECIDE HOW

12:49:56 PARKING CHANGES ARE GOING TO BE ON PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY

12:49:59 STREETS WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER IT BE ONE SIDE OF

12:50:02 THE STREET OR THE OTHER.

12:50:11 [RUSTLING PAPERS]

12:50:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU DIDN'T NEED A MOTION ON THAT?

12:50:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

12:50:19 I THINK THAT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. CHAIR.

12:50:22 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MY LONG-WINDEDNESS.

12:50:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:50:25 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

12:50:26 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO ANSWER TO COUNCILMAN CITRO'S, I

12:50:35 HAD CALLS FROM THE BUILDING INDUSTRY THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE

12:50:38 VERY IN FAVOR OF HAVING VIRTUAL MEETINGS, AGAIN HAVING

12:50:42 VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

12:50:43 AND MY ADVICE IS TO TALK TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND TRYING

12:50:46 TO WORK THAT OUT.

12:50:47 I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE IN PERSON MEETINGS NOT JUST FOR

12:50:50 THE SAFETY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BUT FOR STAFF AND

12:50:52 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS IF LEGAL




12:50:57 AFTER REVIEWING EVERYTHING FIND THAT WE MUST HAVE IN

12:51:00 PERSON MEETINGS, THEN I WILL

12:51:06 AND I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE FRIEND OF -- THEY

12:51:10 INFORM ME THAT AMTRAK STOPPED THEIR DAILY SERVICE TO

12:51:13 TAMPA TO UNION STATION, AND THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PASS A

12:51:17 RESOLUTION ASKING AMTRAK TO BRING THAT SERVICE BACK.

12:51:23 I HAVE TAKEN THE MOTION AND GIVEN IT TO MARTIN SHELBY.

12:51:26 BY THIS I WILL ASK HIM TO CIRCULATE IT SO THAT WE CAN

12:51:28 BRING IT UP FOR A VOTE NEXT WEEK.

12:51:30 THANK YOU.

12:51:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

12:51:33 ANYTHING ELSE?

12:51:34 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT FOR ME.

12:51:37 THANK YOU.

12:51:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:51:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTHING.

12:51:41 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:51:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.

12:51:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOTHING TODAY, SIR.

12:51:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.

12:51:49 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. CHAIR.

12:51:51 JUST ONE QUICK MOTION, IF I MAY.

12:51:54 I MOTION FOR A STAFF REPORT ON ADDING ADDITIONAL SPIRIT

12:51:58 PROGRAM TO PARKS AND RECREATION FOR CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL

12:52:02 NEEDS.




12:52:03 I HAD DONE SOME INTERNAL INQUIRIES ON THIS USUAL YOU.

12:52:07 AND THERE IS ONLY ONE PROGRAM OPERATING AT ONE LOCATION

12:52:10 RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY I WAS TOLD I WOULD ASK THAT THE

12:52:15 CITY CONSIDER OTHER LOCATIONS, ADDITIONAL STAFF, FURTHER

12:52:17 IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE LOCATIONS, THAT HOUSE THESE

12:52:20 PROGRAMS TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.

12:52:23 AND IN PARTICULAR, DURING THE SUMMER PROGRAM, SO I AM

12:52:26 DOING THIS EARLY, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE RAISING A CHILD WITH

12:52:30 AUTISM OR CEREBRAL PALSY OR INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY,

12:52:34 QUITE OFTEN YOU ARE PRECLUDED IN EFFECT FROM A LOT OF OUR

12:52:37 SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY.

12:52:40 AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO TAKE A

12:52:43 STANCE WITH REGARD TO INCLUSION.

12:52:47 IT WILL COST EXTRA MONEY, BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE MONEY

12:52:50 WELL SPENT.

12:52:51 SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT A REPORT COME BACK IN THAT

12:52:56 REGARD, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

12:52:58 WE CAN DO IT IN OCTOBER.

12:53:00 THAT'S FINE.

12:53:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME LOOK AT THE OCTOBER CALENDAR.

12:53:03 >>LUIS VIERA: OR WHATEVER IS YOUR WILL, MR. CHAIR.

12:53:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OCTOBER 15th.

12:53:10 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.

12:53:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN

12:53:15 VIERA.




12:53:15 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

12:53:16 >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

12:53:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS BY GUDES?

12:53:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

12:53:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:53:23 CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE NOW?

12:53:25 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:53:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:53:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:53:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:53:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:53:44 >>BILL CARLSON: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).

12:54:01 >>THE CLERK: IS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON ON THE LINE

12:54:04 STILL?

12:54:05 MANISCALCO?

12:54:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:54:10 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON HAVING

12:54:13 TECHNICAL ISSUES.

12:54:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

12:54:16 >>LUIS VIERA: AND NO MOTIONS.

12:54:20 I WANTED TO SAY TWO THINGS FIRST OFF.

12:54:22 I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL ON THE LINE.

12:54:24 I WAS GOING TO BE GOING TO THIS EVENING'S TAMPA CITY

12:54:27 COUNCIL FOR A VERY SHORT MEETING.

12:54:29 AND COVID THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH PEOPLE NOT BEING




12:54:35 ABLE TO BE AT CERTAIN PLACES, A CONFLICT HERE WITH MY

12:54:38 YOUNG 13 YEAR OLD SON, AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON ACTUALLY

12:54:41 STEPPED UP TO TAKE MY PLACE TONIGHT.

12:54:44 SO EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT HERE, I FOUND THAT OUT YESTERDAY.

12:54:46 SO I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE THAT AND THANK

12:54:49 COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR HIS PROFESSIONAL COURTESY, AND TO

12:54:52 YOU, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THE MEETING SO

12:54:55 WELL.

12:54:56 THAT IS ALL.

12:54:56 THANK YOU.

12:54:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO WRAP UP, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO

12:55:02 WISH MY MOTHER A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

12:55:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

12:55:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I CAN'T SAY HOW OLD SHE IS. WE

12:55:12 DON'T GO PAST 39.

12:55:14 AND ALSO WITH REGARDS TO COVID-19, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN

12:55:17 IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO RECENTLY PASSED AWAY THAT BELOVED BY

12:55:23 MANY AND VERY WELL KNOWN WITH COVID-19 COMPLICATIONS.

12:55:28 EVEN DURING THIS MEETING, HERMAN CAIN, WHO WAS A PAST

12:55:36 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO PASSED

12:55:39 AWAY.

12:55:39 AGAIN THEY ARE SAYING COVID-19.

12:55:41 SO IT'S AFFECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE.

12:55:44 IT'S VERY SPREAD OUT.

12:55:47 AND WE HAVE TO TAKE SAFETY.




12:55:52 I JUST MENTION THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS.

12:55:55 AND NEW CASES ARE COMING IN.

12:55:58 IT'S AVERAGING BETWEEN 9,000 AND 10,000 CASES A.

12:56:01 THE NUMBERS FLUCTUATE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND

12:56:04 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.

12:56:05 AND DEATHS CONTINUE TO KEEP ADDING UP.

12:56:07 SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT VERY ARE VERY SERIOUSLY.

12:56:10 I DO HAVE A MOTION.

12:56:11 LET ME PULL IT UP HERE. THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE CHIEF

12:56:14 OF STAFF.

12:56:18 WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTAL BRIEFINGS THAT WE HAD TO CANCEL

12:56:21 FROM THE JUNE 18th MEETING AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF

12:56:24 ASKED THAT WE RESCHEDULE THOSE, SOMETIME BEFORE THE FIRST

12:56:27 BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 3rd.

12:56:33 WE HAVE ROUGHLY TWO HOURS HERE, AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT

12:56:36 ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MEETING, POSSIBLY THE WEEK OF AUGUST

12:56:39 10th, 13th.

12:56:44 WE COULD DO MAYBE MONDAY, AUGUST 10th OR TUESDAY,

12:56:47 AUGUST 11th BETWEEN LIKE 9:00 AND 11:00.

12:56:52 IT'S OF COURSE VIRTUAL.

12:56:56 12:30 TO 3 OR 1:30 TO BE 3:30.

12:57:01 I MAKE A MOTION WE SCHEDULE TWO HOURS FOR DEPARTMENTAL

12:57:04 BRIEFING FOR MONDAY, AUGUST 10th, LET US SAY 9 TO 11,

12:57:09 VIRTUAL.

12:57:10 COUNCILMAN CITRO, I PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU TO MAKE THIS




12:57:12 MOTION.

12:57:13 THESE ARE JUST DEPARTMENTAL BRIEFINGS.

12:57:20 THAT'S MY MOTION FOR AUGUST 10th, 9 A.M. TO 11 A.M.

12:57:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:

12:57:28 >>BILL CARLSON: MA MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.

12:57:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND BY.

12:57:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

12:57:39 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

12:57:43 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:57:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:57:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:57:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:57:54 >>BILL CARLSON: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE).

12:57:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:57:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:58:01 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CHAIR MANISCALCO BEING THE MAKER

12:58:04 OF THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SECONDING THE

12:58:07 MOTION, WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES.

12:58:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:58:16 A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

12:58:17 ANYONE?

12:58:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.

12:58:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.

12:58:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA TO

12:58:22 RECEIVE AND FILE.




12:58:23 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

12:58:24 ROLL CALL.

12:58:25 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

12:58:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:58:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:58:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

12:58:40 >>BILL CARLSON: (NO AUDIBLE RESPONSE)

12:58:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

12:58:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

12:58:49 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA

12:58:52 BEING THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES

12:58:54 SECONDING THE MOTION, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON

12:59:02 TECHNICAL ISSUES.

12:59:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:59:05 WE WILL BE BACK IN A HYBRID FASHION THIS EVENING.

12:59:08 REMEMBER THERE ARE NO MOTIONS THIS EVENING, JUST TO OPEN

12:59:11 AND HAVE THIS BRIEF MEETING.

12:59:12 SO 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT.

12:59:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:59:15 WE ARE ADJOURNED.



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