TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 2020
9:00 A.M.
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09:02:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:02:52 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
09:02:54 ORDER.
09:02:54 WE DO NOT HAVE AN INVOCATION, BUT IF WE COULD PLEASE TAKE
09:02:58 A MOMENT FOR A FEW MOMENTS OF SILENCE.
09:03:02 [MOMENT OF SILENCE]
09:03:10 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:03:11 IF YOU ARE ABLE TO STAND, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF
09:03:14 ALLEGIANCE.
09:03:16 I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF
09:03:19 AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE
09:03:23 NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE
09:03:27 FOR ALL.
09:03:28 PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
09:03:33 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
09:03:35 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:03:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:03:38 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:03:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:03:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:03:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:03:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:03:50 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:03:53 MR. SHELBY.
09:03:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
09:03:56 GOOD MORNING.
09:03:56 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:03:57 AND GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:04:00 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:04:02 TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24th, 2020.
09:04:06 AND THIS 9 A.M. VIRTUAL WORKSHOP MEETING IS BEING HELD IN
09:04:09 ACCORDANCE WITH THE DECLARATIONS AND PROVISIONS OF THE
09:04:12 GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER 20-69 AND 20-193, AS THEY MAY
09:04:17 BE FURTHER EXTENDED.
09:04:19 EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURE AS ADOPTED AND AMENDED BY
09:04:22 CITY COUNCIL.
09:04:22 IT'S BEING CONDUCTED THIS MORNING BY AUDIO
09:04:25 TELECONFERENCING ONLY WITH VIDEO PRESENTATIONS, WHICH IS
09:04:28 REMOTE PARTICIPATION REFERRED TO BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA
09:04:31 STATUTES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.
09:04:34 THIS MORNING, THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE
09:04:37 ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN OR VIEW THE MEETINGS ON CABLE TV
09:04:41 AND ON THE INTERNET AT TAMPAGOV.NET/LIVE STREAM AND ON
09:04:46 THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA'S (INDISCERNIBLE)
09:04:51 SINCE THIS MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH THE USE OF
09:04:53 COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY, THE FOLLOWING ALTERNATIVE
09:04:56 METHODS BE ESTABLISHED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO OFFER
09:04:59 PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THE MEETING.
09:05:00 THE INTERNET AND THE WEB, WHICH WAS AVAILABLE FOR
09:05:04 REGISTRATION AT TAMPAGOV.NET/PUBLICCOMMENT, ONE WORD, NO
09:05:10 SPACE, AND BY VOICE MAIL, BY REGULAR MAIL, AND THE
09:05:14 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK REMOTELY FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T
09:05:17 HAVE COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, A LAPTOP OR A
09:05:21 DESKTOP OR AN iPAD, LET'S SAY, AND THAT IS AVAILABLE
09:05:27 FOR THE PUBLIC AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
09:05:31 PLEASE NOTE, COUNCIL, THAT PER YOUR DIRECTION, THE PUBLIC
09:05:35 COMMENTS PRERECORDED AND LIVE WILL BE HEARD AT THE START
09:05:39 OF THE WORKSHOP AND THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT APPEARS
09:05:43 ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT WAS BY DIRECTION OF COUNCIL.
09:05:46 WRITTEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO CITY COUNCIL
09:05:50 AND WILL BE RECEIVED AND FILED TO BE MADE PART OF THE
09:05:53 RECORD.
09:05:53 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:05:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SHELBY.
09:05:59 MADAM CLERK, WE HAVE, IS IT 11 SPEAKERS THAT HAVE
09:06:03 REGISTERED TO SPEAK LIVE?
09:06:05 >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.
09:06:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY RECORDED MESSAGES DO WE
09:06:08 HAVE?
09:06:09 IS IT THREE?
09:06:10 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE THREE RECORDINGS.
09:06:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND IS THERE ANYONE AT THE TAMPA
09:06:13 CONVENTION CENTER?
09:06:15 >>THE CLERK: AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NO ONE AT THE TAMPA
09:06:17 CONVENTION CENTER.
09:06:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:06:20 WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE REGISTERED LIVE SPEAKERS.
09:06:23 I WILL KEEP TIME WITH MY TIMER.
09:06:26 EACH PERSON HAS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
09:06:29 I ASK THAT THEY PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME WHEN THEY BEGIN
09:06:34 SPEAKING, AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES, I'LL BRING IT UP.
09:06:38 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, GO AHEAD.
09:06:42 >>THE CLERK: YES, SIR.
09:06:42 THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS KELLY BENJAMIN.
09:06:47 >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:06:48 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:06:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
09:06:51 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:06:53 I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT THE WORKSHOP ON THE
09:07:00 CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
09:07:01 AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR QUITE
09:07:04 SOME TIME BROUGHT UP BY COUNCILMAN GUDES IN ORDER TO
09:07:10 RESTRUCTURE THIS BOARD THAT WAS CREATED OVER FIVE YEARS
09:07:14 AGO BY MAYOR BUCKHORN TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES IN
09:07:17 OUR COMMUNITY SURROUNDING TRUST, MUTUAL RESPECT,
09:07:22 ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND THIS IS A HISTORIC
09:07:27 MOMENT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY DEALING WITH ISSUES OF RACE
09:07:31 AND EQUALITY.
09:07:33 AND THIS IS ONE AVENUE TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS IT AND TAKE
09:07:39 THAT ENERGY FROM THE STREETS THAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT
09:07:42 THE SUMMER NATIONWIDE AND PUT IT INTO CONCRETE PUBLIC
09:07:46 POLICY TO BEGIN TO HEAL SOME OF THE WOUNDS THAT WE'VE HAD
09:07:49 IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT CAME ABOUT FROM
09:07:55 ISSUES LIKE BIKING WHILE BLACK AND SOME OF THE PATTERN OF
09:08:01 DISCRIMINATORY POLICIES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE CITY OF
09:08:03 TAMPA IN REGARDS TO THE WAY PEOPLE ARE TREATED.
09:08:09 SO I JUST -- I URGE FOLKS TO, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THAT THE
09:08:15 SPIRIT OF THIS IS TO CREATE TRUST AND GOOD GOVERNMENT AND
09:08:21 ACCOUNTABILITY.
09:08:23 AND THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY, AND SHOULDN'T BE, INTENDED TO
09:08:27 BE SEEN AS A THORN IN THE SIDE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
09:08:30 WHATSOEVER.
09:08:30 BUT AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO EMPOWER OUR
09:08:35 NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SAY
09:08:41 IN THE WAY THAT COMMUNITIES ARE POLICED.
09:08:46 THERE IS A CHAIRMAN REPRESENTATIVE FROM NACOLE, THE
09:08:49 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CITIZEN OVERSIGHT REVIEW
09:08:55 COMMITTEES -- I PROBABLY MESSED UP THAT ACRONYM -- ON THE
09:08:59 LINE, AS I HAD MENTIONED TO YOU VIA TEXT.
09:09:03 IF YOU COULD PROVIDE HER PERHAPS WITH FIVE MINUTES.
09:09:06 AND SHE'S ALSO AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT AFTER OR ANY
09:09:10 QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT FOLKS ON THE COUNCIL HAVE.
09:09:13 BUT I THANK YOU FOR THE WORKSHOP.
09:09:15 I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION AND A ROBUST
09:09:19 DISCUSSION.
09:09:19 THANK YOU.
09:09:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:09:23 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:09:24 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES SHAW.
09:09:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:09:29 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:09:32 >>THE CLERK: MR. SHAW, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
09:09:38 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:09:40 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:09:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:09:42 >> THANK YOU.
09:09:43 GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS JAMES MICHAEL SHAW JUNIOR.
09:09:45 I'M A LOCAL ATTORNEY AND TAMPA CITIZEN.
09:09:47 FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS, I HAVE CHAIRED THE LEGAL PANEL FOR
09:09:50 THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER OF THE ACLU OF FLORIDA.
09:09:53 I'D LIKE TO FOCUS MY COMMENTS THIS MORNING ON THE SUBJECT
09:09:56 OF SUBPOENA POWER FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD BECAUSE I
09:09:59 THINK THERE ARE MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT MAYBE I CAN CLEAR
09:10:02 UP TODAY.
09:10:02 FIRST OFF, IN CASE IT ISN'T ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ALREADY, LEO
09:10:06 BOARD, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS FOR
09:10:09 BIDS CITY -- FORBIDS CITY AGENCIES FROM INTERROGATING
09:10:14 POLICE OFFICERS FOR DISCIPLINE.
09:10:15 THAT IS NOT ON THE MENU.
09:10:16 ANYBODY WHO TELLS YOU THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN,
09:10:19 GIVE THE CRB SUBPOENA POWER IS BEING PARANOID,
09:10:23 MISINFORMED OR BOTH.
09:10:24 THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
09:10:25 BUT THEN WE HAVE HEARD THE REFRAIN, WELL, IF THE CRB
09:10:28 CAN'T DO THAT, THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING SUBPOENA
09:10:30 POWER?
09:10:31 THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
09:10:33 PEOPLE HAVE CAMERAS ON THEIR DOORBELLS NOW.
09:10:36 BUSINESSES HAVE SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE.
09:10:37 VERY FEW PLACES ANYMORE WHERE YOU CAN BE OUTSIDE THAT YOU
09:10:39 ARE NOT ON SOMEBODY'S CAMERA, AND IT IS VITAL THAT THE
09:10:43 CRB SHOULD BE ABLE TO OBTAIN SUCH FOOTAGE.
09:10:46 WITHOUT SUBPOENA POWER, THE PEOPLE AND THE BUSINESSES WHO
09:10:48 HAVE SUCH FOOTAGE WOULD HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO SHARE IT
09:10:51 WITH THE CRB, AND THEY COULD, IN FACT, BE PRESSURED NOT
09:10:54 TO, EITHER BY THE POLICE THEMSELVES OR BY MISGUIDED
09:10:57 CITIZENS WHO THINK THAT THEY ARE DOING A SERVICE TO LAW
09:10:59 ENFORCEMENT BY SHIELDING THEM FROM THE SUNLIGHT.
09:11:02 EVEN WITHOUT SUCH PRESSURE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT RAMSEY
09:11:04 ORTA, THE FELLOW WHO FILMED THE MURDER OF ERIC GARNER,
09:11:10 WAS SUBSEQUENTLY HUNTED AND TRAILED BY VENGEFUL STATEN
09:11:15 ISLAND POLICE OFFICERS WAITING FOR HIM TO DO SOMETHING
09:11:18 WRONG.
09:11:18 WHEN THEY FINALLY CAUGHT HIM DOING SOMETHING WRONG,
09:11:22 BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN'T HAVE EYES ON YOU AT ALL TIMES
09:11:22 AND NEVER BREAK ANY LAWS, HE ENDED UP SERVING FOUR YEARS
09:11:24 IN PRISON.
09:11:25 WHETHER TPD WOULD REALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS NOT
09:11:28 THE QUESTION.
09:11:29 ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS FOR THE PERSON HOLDING THE CRITICAL
09:11:32 EVIDENCE TO BE UNWILLING TO TAKE THAT CHANCE.
09:11:34 WHEN THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES TO JUST HOLDING ON TO THE
09:11:36 EVIDENCE.
09:11:37 THE SAME IS TRUE FOR PROVIDING TESTIMONY TO THE CRB.
09:11:40 FOR THE CRB TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT MEANINGFUL
09:11:42 INVESTIGATIONS, IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN DOCUMENTS
09:11:47 AND FOOTAGE AND TESTIMONY EVEN IF THE PROFESSIONAL
09:11:50 STANDARDS BUREAU DID NOT OBTAIN THOSE DOCUMENTS AND
09:11:52 FOOTAGE AND TESTIMONY, AND IT CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT
09:11:55 SUBPOENA POWER.
09:11:56 THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT.
09:11:57 CRB WITHOUT SUBPOENA POWER IS A TOOTHLESS TIGER.
09:12:01 IN 2015 AND EVEN TODAY, THERE WAS THIS REFRAIN THAT YOU
09:12:03 DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
09:12:05 YES, YOU DO.
09:12:06 THE REFRAIN OF, GOSH, WE WISH WE COULD HELP YOU BUT WE
09:12:10 CAN'T IS NOT GOING TO FLY IN 2020, LIKE IT DID IN 2015.
09:12:15 THE PUBLIC KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LACK OF POWER
09:12:17 AND THE LACK OF WILL.
09:12:18 WE CIRCULATED A MEMO DETAILING EXACTLY WHY AND HOW YOU DO
09:12:21 HAVE THAT POWER AND I WILL STAY ON THE LINE TO ANSWER ANY
09:12:24 QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
09:12:25 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, AS KELLY DID, THAT YOU DO HAVE
09:12:29 ON THE LINE CAMERON MCELLHINEY FROM THE NATIONAL
09:12:34 ASSOCIATION OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ON
09:12:36 THE LINE.
09:12:36 THAT IS A NATIONAL RESOURCE CENTER FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT
09:12:36 BOARDS NATIONWIDE.
09:12:36 SHE'S GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED TO MAKE HERSELF AVAILABLE TODAY
09:12:42 DURING THIS WORKSHOP TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
09:12:43 I HOPE THAT YOU'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
09:12:46 BUT 75% OF MAJOR U.S. CITIES ALREADY HAVE A CRB SIMILAR
09:12:51 TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
09:12:52 ALL WE'RE ASKING TO DO IS FOR TAMPA TO CATCH UP WITH THE
09:12:55 REST OF THE COUNTRY.
09:12:56 WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS EXACTLY WHAT MIAMI HAS ALREADY.
09:13:00 THE SKY HAS NOT FALLEN IN MIAMI AND IT WILL NOT FALL IN
09:13:04 TAMPA EITHER IF WE CATCH UP TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY ON
09:13:06 THIS ISSUE.
09:13:07 IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND PLEASE DO IT.
09:13:09 THANK YOU.
09:13:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:13:12 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:13:14 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMIE CLAPHOLES.
09:13:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:13:21 GO AHEAD.
09:13:22 >> GOOD MORNING, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:13:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
09:13:25 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:13:25 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK
09:13:28 THIS MORNING.
09:13:29 MY NAME IS JAMIE CLAPHOLTZ.
09:13:32 I AM AN ATTORNEY AND TAMPA RESIDENT AS WELL.
09:13:35 I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF GIVING THE
09:13:38 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT IS NOT
09:13:42 A PART OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
09:13:45 AND THE REASON THAT THAT'S SO IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE HAVING
09:13:48 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY WOULD ALLOW THE CRB TO GET UNBIASED
09:13:54 ADVICE REGARDING EXTENT OF ITS POWERS AND AUTHORITY AND
09:13:58 IF IT WANTED TO ISSUE A SUBPOENA, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD
09:14:00 BE SOMETHING THAT THE INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY COULD ADVISE
09:14:03 ON AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT ATTORNEY HAVE NO
09:14:06 OTHER ALLEGIANCES OR CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
09:14:10 OUTSIDE OF SUBPOENA POWER, IF THE CRB WANTED TO OBTAIN
09:14:15 PUBLIC RECORDS OR WANTED TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION OR
09:14:20 REVIEW ON A MATTER RELATED TO THE TAMPA POLICE
09:14:22 DEPARTMENT, IT'S CRUCIAL IMPORTANT THAT THE CRB HAVE AN
09:14:25 ATTORNEY THEY CAN COUNT ON TO PROVIDE UNBIASED ADVICE
09:14:29 ABOUT THAT WITHOUT COMPETING INTEREST FROM MEMBERS OF THE
09:14:32 ADMINISTRATION WHO MAY NOT WANT TO SEE A PARTICULAR
09:14:34 INVESTIGATION OR REVIEW GO FORWARD.
09:14:36 WITHOUT TRUE INDEPENDENCE, THE CRB CAN'T BE EFFECTIVE IN
09:14:40 ITS ROLE OF ENSURING THAT THERE'S PUBLIC TRUST AND
09:14:46 ACCOUNTABILITY WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:14:48 AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS HAVE
09:14:52 BEEN RETAINED FOR OTHER BOARDS IN THE PAST ON AN HOURLY
09:14:56 BASIS.
09:14:56 SO IT WOULDN'T BE A FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBER.
09:14:59 IT WOULDN'T BE THAT MUCH OF A BUDGET COMMITMENT, AND IT'S
09:15:03 MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT COULD BE DONE THROUGH A
09:15:05 CONTRACT WITH THE CITY THAT'S APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
09:15:07 SO WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT, SO LONG AS WE'RE TALKING
09:15:11 ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY WHO JUST DOES NOT HAVE ANY
09:15:14 CONFLICTS OF INTEREST OR COMPETING INTERESTS WITH OTHER
09:15:18 MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
09:15:19 SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL VERY
09:15:23 SERIOUSLY CONSIDER INCORPORATING INTO THE CRB ORDINANCE.
09:15:26 I WILL STAY ON THE LINE AS WELL IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
09:15:30 ABOUT THE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU.
09:15:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:15:37 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:15:38 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
09:15:39 THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JUSTIN COFFIE.
09:15:51 >> HELLO.
09:15:52 EVERYONE.
09:15:53 MY NAME IS JUSTIN COFFIE, THE TWO SPEAKERS BEFORE ME,
09:15:56 JAMES SHAW AND JAMIE CLAMPOST, I BELIEVE IS HER NAME, I
09:16:02 REALLY FEEL SAID WHAT WAS NECESSARY.
09:16:04 IN REGARD TO HAVING SUBPOENA POWER AND ALSO MAKING SURE
09:16:08 THAT THE CRB HAS AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
09:16:11 I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
09:16:14 AND IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING ITS INDEPENDENCE, I THINK
09:16:19 THAT WE SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE
09:16:22 GOING TO BE MADE FOR THE CRB.
09:16:27 I THINK THAT IF THE CITY MAYOR IS APPOINTING MORE THAN
09:16:32 ONE-THIRD OF ITS MEMBERS, IT DEFINITELY CAN LEAD TO
09:16:36 ISSUES OF CONFLICT, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND I THINK
09:16:39 THAT THE BOARD WILL BE VERY SUSCEPTIBLE TO PRESSURES FROM
09:16:45 OUTSIDE.
09:16:45 IN REGARD TO JUST MAINTAINING ITS INDEPENDENCE AND MAKING
09:16:49 SURE THIS ISN'T A TOOTHLESS TIGER, I THINK IT ALSO NEEDS
09:16:52 TO BE CONSIDERED, THESE APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARD.
09:16:55 AND WITH THAT, I YIELD MY TIME.
09:16:57 THANK YOU.
09:16:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:16:59 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:17:00 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CAMERON MCELLHINEY.
09:17:05 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:17:06 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:17:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
09:17:09 GO AHEAD.
09:17:10 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:17:10 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY
09:17:12 ON THE ENHANCEMENT AND STRENGTHENING OF CIVILIAN
09:17:15 OVERSIGHT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:17:16 MY NAME IS CAMERON MCELLHINEY.
09:17:19 I SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR OF TRAINING AND EDUCATION FOR THE
09:17:20 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW
09:17:22 ENFORCEMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS NACOLE.
09:17:28 IN THE UNITED STATES, NACOLE IS THE PREEMINENT CIVILIAN
09:17:28 OVERSIGHT ASSOCIATION AND ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, STAFF
09:17:30 AND MEMBERS ARE THE LEADING EXPERTS IN CIVILIAN
09:17:33 OVERSIGHT.
09:17:33 OUR MEMBERSHIP IS COMPRISED OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT
09:17:36 PRACTITIONERS, VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS, CURRENT AND
09:17:38 FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ACADEMICS, AND
09:17:40 MORE.
09:17:41 AT ITS CORE, CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT CAN BE BROADLY DEFINED AS
09:17:46 INDEPENDENT, EXTERNAL AND ONGOING REVIEW OF A LAW
09:17:48 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND ITS OPERATIONS BY INDIVIDUALS
09:17:50 OUTSIDE OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY BEING OVERSEEN.
09:17:52 WHILE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT ALONE
09:17:56 CANNOT RESTORE LAW ENFORCEMENT'S LEGITIMACY, IT IS
09:17:59 DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE, TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC TRUST
09:18:02 WITHOUT IT.
09:18:03 AS SUCH, DEVELOPING EFFECTIVE AND ADEQUATELY RESOURCED
09:18:06 CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT IS AMONG THE SEVERAL STRATEGIES THAT
09:18:09 MUST BE EMPLOYED TO REBUILD COMMUNITY RELATIONS WITH LAW
09:18:12 ENFORCEMENT.
09:18:12 NACOLE WORKS TO ASSIST PEOPLE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND
09:18:16 CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT, ITS PRINCIPLES, THE BENEFITS OF ITS
09:18:19 IMPLEMENTATION AND EFFECTIVE PRACTICES.
09:18:21 THERE ARE MANY BENEFITS TO ESTABLISHING EFFECTIVE AND
09:18:24 SUSTAINABLE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT FOR BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND
09:18:27 LAW ENFORCEMENT.
09:18:28 BUT I'D LIKE TO SPECIFIC FOCUS ON THE INTERNAL AND
09:18:32 EXTERNAL BENEFITS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
09:18:34 INTERNALLY, IT CAN ENHANCE RISK MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS OR
09:18:37 STRATEGIES, IMPROVE QUALITY AND INTEGRITY OF
09:18:40 INVESTIGATIONS, IMPROVES AGENCY PERFORMANCE AND INCREASES
09:18:43 TRANSPARENCY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
09:18:45 EXTERNALLY, IT CAN ENHANCE CREDIBILITY OF THE LAW
09:18:48 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WITH THE PUBLIC, ENCOURAGES CITIZENS
09:18:51 TO BE PROACTIVE IN REPORTING CRIMES IN THEIR COMMUNITY TO
09:18:53 A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT THEY CAN TRUST, IMPROVES
09:18:57 PERCEIVED QUALITY AND INTEGRITY OF THE INVESTIGATIONS AND
09:19:00 CREATES A STRUCTURED AND CONSTRUCTIVE MECHANISM FOR THE
09:19:02 PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT INTO POLICING.
09:19:06 NACOLE RECENTLY COMPLETED RESEARCH AND A COMPILATION OF
09:19:09 THE PRINCIPLES AND EFFECTIVE -- PRINCIPLES OF EFFECTIVE
09:19:13 AND MEANINGFUL OVERSIGHT AS WELL AS EFFECTIVE PRACTICES
09:19:17 THAT A CITY SHOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER WHEN TRYING TO
09:19:19 IMPLEMENT MEANINGFUL OVERSIGHT.
09:19:22 ALTHOUGH THERE ARE 13 PRINCIPLES TO CONSIDER, I'D LIKE TO
09:19:24 HIGHLIGHT THAT THEY INCLUDE INDEPENDENCE, TIMELY AND
09:19:26 UNFETTERED ACCESS TO RECORDS AND FACILITIES, ADEQUATE
09:19:30 FUNDING AND OPERATIONAL RESOURCES, PUBLIC REPORTING AND
09:19:33 TRANSPARENCY, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, AS WELL AS COMMUNITY
09:19:35 INPUT AND PROCEDURAL JUSTICE AND LEGITIMACY.
09:19:38 I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SHARE JUST A FEW OF THE EFFECTIVE
09:19:41 PRACTICES THAT WE RECOMMEND.
09:19:43 ACCESS TO INFORMATION, DISCIPLINARY SANCTIONS FOR FAILURE
09:19:46 TO COOPERATE, SUBPOENA AUTHORITY, ONGOING PROFESSIONAL
09:19:50 TRAINING, ADEQUATE STAFF TO CARRY OUT THE MANDATE OF THE
09:19:53 AGENCY, ABILITY TO CONDUCT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS,
09:19:57 PUBLISHING AND PRESENTING REGULAR DATA AND REPORTS,
09:20:00 PROHIBITIONS AGAINST RETALIATION AND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
09:20:05 ALTHOUGH I'VE RUN OUT OF TIME AT THIS POINT, PLEASE KNOW
09:20:07 THAT I AM AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
09:20:09 ABOUT OVERSIGHT, ITS PRACTICES AND EXAMPLES OF CITIES
09:20:12 THAT HAVE SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED THESE EFFECTIVE
09:20:15 PRACTICES AND I WILL STAY ON THE LINE IN CASE YOU WOULD
09:20:18 LIKE TO ASK ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
09:20:19 THANK YOU.
09:20:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU NEED ANOTHER MINUTE OR TWO?
09:20:23 >> NO, BUT I CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR MORE QUESTIONS.
09:20:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:20:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:20:27 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:20:31 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MATTHEW YAMPOLSKY.
09:20:37 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:20:44 >> JUST TO PARROT WHAT MR. SHAW SAID, I'M HERE TO REQUEST
09:20:50 -- SO THE MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS GO TO THE MAYOR,
09:20:52 WHICH WE ALL KNOW.
09:20:55 THAT'S A BIG CONFLICT OF INTEREST, OBVIOUSLY.
09:20:57 THIS ALLOWS THE MAYOR TO CONTROL THE COMPOSITION OF THE
09:21:01 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:21:03 NO ONE, ESPECIALLY A FORMER POLICE CHIEF AND MEMBER OF
09:21:06 THE POLICE FORCE FOR 30 YEARS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
09:21:10 APPOINT A MAJORITY, WHICH SHE IS CURRENTLY ABLE TO DO.
09:21:14 AS FAR AS SUBPOENA POWER, THE CRB NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO
09:21:19 COMPEL TESTIMONY AND COMPEL THE PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS
09:21:21 SO IT CAN CONDUCT ITS OWN INVESTIGATIONS.
09:21:23 THIS WOULD ENABLE IT TO TAKE TESTIMONY THAT PROFESSIONAL
09:21:27 STANDARDS BUREAU OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS DID NOT REVIEW
09:21:31 DOCUMENTS THAT IT DID NOT, ET CETERA.
09:21:33 RIGHT NOW, ALL IT CAN DO IS REVIEW WHAT THE PSB DID, BUT
09:21:39 IT CAN'T LOOK INTO WHETHER THE PSB OVERLOOKED SOMETHING.
09:21:43 RIGHT NOW, THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT SETS THE CITIZENS
09:21:45 REVIEW BOARD AGENDA.
09:21:47 NOW, THAT MEANS IT CAN ONLY LOOK INTO WHAT THE TAMPA
09:21:51 POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTS IT TO LOOK INTO.
09:21:52 IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SET ITS OWN AGENDA.
09:21:55 EVEN THOUGH THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS WOULD REQUIRE
09:21:57 COMPLAINTS TO BE IMMEDIATELY SENT TO THE PSB, IT'S STILL
09:22:01 IMPORTANT THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE SOMEWHERE
09:22:03 TO TAKE A COMPLAINT BESIDES THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:22:06 ITSELF.
09:22:06 THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD SHOULD ALSO HAVE ITS OWN LEGAL
09:22:15 COUNSEL TO ADVISE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WHAT IT CAN
09:22:17 AND CAN'T DO, TO QUESTION WITNESSES AND PREPARE SUBPOENAS
09:22:20 AND SO FORTH.
09:22:23 SUBPOENA POWER IS VERY IMPORTANT.
09:22:25 MR. SHAW NAILED THAT ON THE HEAD, THAT IT'S VERY
09:22:29 IMPORTANT.
09:22:29 IT NEEDS TO SET ITS OWN -- RECEIVE PUBLIC COMPLAINTS
09:22:33 DIRECTLY AND IT NEEDS ITS OWN LAWYER.
09:22:35 BUT JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, MAYOR CASTOR CAN'T BE THE ONE IN
09:22:39 CHARGE OF APPOINTING THIS REVIEW BOARD.
09:22:42 NOW, I'D LIKE TO END MY COMMENT WITH SAYING, YOU GUYS
09:22:46 HAVE -- YOU GUYS IGNORED US FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS.
09:22:51 YOU'VE LISTENED TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU'VE HEARD OUR
09:22:55 PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR MONTHS AND YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED
09:22:57 THEM.
09:22:58 AND THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT LAST
09:23:01 WEEK, YOU GUYS TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO GASLIGHT US AND
09:23:06 TELL US THAT THE PROTESTORS ARE JUST A NUISANCE.
09:23:09 IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS JUST AS USELESS
09:23:12 AND POWERLESS CURRENTLY AS THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:23:16 AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IT'S GOING TO STAY THAT WAY UNTIL
09:23:20 2023 WHEN WE CAN REPLACE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU,
09:23:23 BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE USELESS.
09:23:26 GAS-LIGHTERS.
09:23:27 YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS.
09:23:29 YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT JONAS JOSEPH.
09:23:32 YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING.
09:23:34 IT'S CLEAR.
09:23:35 SO 2023, YOU GUYS ARE GONE.
09:23:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:23:40 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:23:43 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JORDANA YAMPOLSKY.
09:23:49 >> HELLO, GENTLEMEN.
09:23:51 I'M ALSO HERE TO JUST KIND OF MIRROR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
09:23:54 IS SAYING ABOUT THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:23:56 WE REALLY NEED THIS TO BE SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE PEOPLE
09:23:58 OF TAMPA POWER TO, OR AT LEAST FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE SOME
09:24:02 POWER OVER WHAT'S GOING ON AND BE ABLE TO REPORT PROBLEMS
09:24:06 FROM THE POLICE.
09:24:08 YOU GUYS APPROVED THE $13 MILLION INCREASE.
09:24:10 WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP HIRING POLICE OFFICERS.
09:24:12 SO CAN WE PLEASE AT LEAST GIVE THE CITIZENS SOME POWER
09:24:18 AND SOMEWHERE TO GO TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE THINGS THAT
09:24:20 THEY ARE DOING BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL GOING TO KEEP
09:24:22 MURDERING PEOPLE.
09:24:23 THEY ARE STILL GOING TO KEEP TARGETING PEOPLE, AND THEY
09:24:26 ARE STILL GOING TO KEEP TRYING TO SPREAD THEIR POWER
09:24:33 ACROSS EVERYBODY BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID TO LOSE IT EVEN
09:24:35 MORE NOW.
09:24:36 AGAIN, THE MAYOR CANNOT APPOINT MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE
09:24:39 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:24:40 IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE POINTLESS THAN IT ALREADY IS IN ITS
09:24:44 CURRENT FORM.
09:24:44 I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY TO YOU GUYS.
09:24:48 WE'RE ALL VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE CITY AT HOW YOU GUYS
09:24:52 HANDLED THE LAST FOUR MONTHS, AND YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT
09:24:55 LISTENING TO US.
09:24:56 I REALLY HOPE THAT -- I REALLY HOPE WE GET A BETTER, NEW
09:25:02 CITY COUNCIL.
09:25:03 THANK YOU.
09:25:03 I YIELD MY TIME.
09:25:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:25:05 THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:25:08 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, THAT CONCLUDES THE LIVE SPEAKERS.
09:25:11 I DO WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE FOUR OTHERS
09:25:15 THAT REGISTERED BUT DID NOT LOG ON.
09:25:17 -- CHOKA.
09:25:19 GRETCHEN CATHERINE, PEACH KING AND ANA TRAVELA.
09:25:26 AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE RECORDINGS.
09:25:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
09:25:29 YOU HAVE THREE, CORRECT?
09:25:30 >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.
09:25:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:25:31 GO AHEAD.
09:25:35 >> MY NAME IS ANGEL D'ANGELO.
09:25:37 I LIVE IN TAMPA.
09:25:39 BORN AND RAISED.
09:25:40 I AM CALLING TODAY AS YOU ARE DISCUSSING POLICE
09:25:44 ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE AGENDA, LONG OVERDUE, LONG OVERDUE.
09:25:50 AND AS PER -- THIS MEETING IS SCHEDULED BECAUSE OF THE
09:25:54 HARD WORK OF THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEMANDED IT.
09:25:58 THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL ONE DAY SAID THEY
09:26:05 BENEVOLENTLY WANTED TO DO.
09:26:07 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEARED UP THAT ONE OF YOU
09:26:10 TAKE CLAIM OF THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR.
09:26:14 THE CITIZENSHIP OF TAMPA AND NOT THE TAMPA POLICE
09:26:17 DEPARTMENT OR THE TAMPA UNION FOR THE POLICE, I NOTICED
09:26:23 FOR MANY OF YOU, YOU RECEIVED DONATIONS FROM THE POLICE
09:26:27 UNION AS WELL AS SOME OF YOU RECEIVING FROM GEOGROUP AND
09:26:34 BAIL BONDS AND OTHER SIMILAR DONORS.
09:26:38 SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL INVESTED IN THE
09:26:40 CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM ABILITY TO THRIVE AS WELL AS ALL
09:26:43 OF YOUR RESOURCES OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND DEVELOPMENT.
09:26:47 THAT PLAINS WHY JUSTICE IS SO HARD TO ACHIEVE IN THIS
09:26:52 CITY.
09:26:52 FOLLOW THE MONEY THEY SAY.
09:26:54 SINCE YOU WEREN'T BOLD AND COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO
09:26:58 REALLOCATE MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY, HOUSING, CHILD CARE,
09:27:01 TAMPA JOBS PROGRAM THAT WOULD IMPROVE THIS CITY AND
09:27:04 INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF INTERACTION WITH POLICING IN THE
09:27:07 FIRST PLACE, I GUESS PACIFY US WITH A CITIZEN REVIEW
09:27:13 BOARD IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON, AGAIN, LONG
09:27:16 OVERDUE.
09:27:17 SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE PROACTIVELY,
09:27:21 THIS ISN'T REALLY GOING TO DO MUCH TO HELP VULNERABLE
09:27:25 COMMUNITIES.
09:27:29 IT'S GOING TO BE MINIMAL DUE TO THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE
09:27:33 -- BILL OF RIGHTS.
09:27:34 GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
09:27:35 FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.
09:27:36 SAY YOU DID SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE NEARLY
09:27:39 ENOUGH.
09:27:40 HOPE STILL PUSH FOR THE CAHOOTS PROGRAM RAN COMPLETELY
09:27:43 SEPARATELY FROM TPD.
09:27:45 NEXT YEAR FOR THE BUDGET, LET'S ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING
09:27:47 THAT'S USEFUL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BOOST THE ECONOMY
09:27:51 AND REDUCE THE NEED FOR VIOLENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
09:27:54 DO YOUR LITTLE THING WITH THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
09:27:57 SAY YOU DID SOMETHING GREAT.
09:27:59 TAKE THE CREDIT FOR IT.
09:28:00 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PEOPLE AND THEN -- WE'RE
09:28:05 GOING TO CONTINUE GOING THROUGH WHAT WE KNOW THE CITY
09:28:08 DESERVES.
09:28:08 AND THE CITY DESERVES MORE THAN A DEPARTMENT THAT JUST
09:28:12 BRUTALIZES BLACK, BROWN, TRANSGENDER COMMUNITIES -- I
09:28:21 REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING.
09:28:22 HOPEFULLY YOU ARE ACTUALLY LISTENING.
09:28:26 DO YOUR THICK AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.
09:28:28 >> MY NAME IS MADELEINE.
09:28:32 I LIVE IN NEW TAMPA.
09:28:34 33607.
09:28:45 (INDISCERNIBLE) ONLY TOOL FOR KEEPING TAMPA --
09:28:54 (INDISCERNIBLE)
09:29:12 WHEN THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE ABUSES OF POWER, HOSTILITY,
09:29:18 VIOLENCE TOWARD THE BLACK INDIVIDUALS IN THE BLACK
09:29:21 COMMUNITY.
09:29:23 AND ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR AND PROTESTORS, HOMELESS PEOPLE,
09:29:27 POOR PEOPLE, THE MENTALLY ILL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
09:29:34 WE NEED CHANGE AND NEED IT IMMEDIATELY.
09:29:36 AS A COMMUNITY, WE DEMAND THAT THIS BOARD -- OBTAIN OWN
09:29:55 LAWYER.
09:29:56 OBTAIN SUBPOENA POWER AND ITS (INDISCERNIBLE)
09:30:05 THANK YOU.
09:30:05 (INDISCERNIBLE).
09:30:09 >> MY NAME IS TOM DEGEORGE.
09:30:11 MY ADDRESS IS -- MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 1812 NORTH 17th
09:30:18 STREET.
09:30:18 I AM THE OWNER OF CROWBAR IN YBOR CITY.
09:30:21 I AM ALSO THE FLORIDA -- THE NATIONAL INDEPENDENT VENUE
09:30:26 ASSOCIATION, AND I'M CALLING YOU ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 1,
09:30:29 WHICH IS -- ASKING FOR SUPPORT ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR
09:30:36 OUR SMALL STAGES.
09:30:38 THERE ARE ABOUT 2800 OF US IN THE COUNTRY.
09:30:40 A LITTLE BIT OVER A HUNDRED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:30:44 12 IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:30:46 FIVE OF US RIGHT IN YBOR CITY.
09:30:47 WE ARE A PART OF ECOSYSTEM OF THE ARTS AND THE PERFORMING
09:30:53 ARTS ALL AROUND THIS AREA.
09:30:55 IN OUR SMALL STAGES, FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT IN PLACES
09:30:59 LIKE ART, THERE'S 12 DOLLARS SPENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:31:03 YOU HAVE CROWBAR, THE RITZ THEATER, THE ORPHEUM, THE
09:31:07 ATTIC AND THE HONEY POT ARE JUST A FEW RIGHT IN YBOR
09:31:10 CITY.
09:31:11 WE ALSO ARE THE FUEL FOR THE FESTIVALS.
09:31:14 THINGS LIKE GASPARILLA MUSIC FESTIVAL AND OUR PERFORMING
09:31:17 ARTS CENTERS.
09:31:18 STRAZ CENTER, AMALIE ARENA, ALL THE BANDS GOT THEIR START
09:31:23 ON OUR SMALL STAGES.
09:31:25 ASKING TO YOU SUPPORT SAVE OUR STAGES BUT ALSO LOOK
09:31:28 LOCALLY HERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, WHETHER IT BE
09:31:31 THROUGH -- MONEY, LOBBYING THE STATE FOR MORE MONEY, HOW
09:31:36 WE CAN GET MONEY.
09:31:39 IT DOESN'T HURT OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR LARGER ARTS,
09:31:42 PERFORMING ARTS IN GENERAL.
09:31:44 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:31:46 I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO TALK.
09:31:47 YOU CAN HIT ME UP AT THE CROWBAR OFFICE LINE
09:31:49 813-241-8600.
09:31:53 I'D LOVE TO MEET OR LET ANYBODY ELSE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT
09:31:57 THIS IS TO TAMPA BAY.
09:31:59 THANK YOU.
09:32:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADAM CLERK, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES
09:32:04 OUR RECORDED MESSAGES, BUT WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER BY THE
09:32:08 FIRST NAME OF GRETCHEN THAT IS LOGGED IN AND WAS
09:32:12 REGISTERED TO SPEAK, IS THAT CORRECT?
09:32:16 >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.
09:32:17 GRETCHEN, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE MYSELF.
09:32:22 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:32:23 >> YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:32:24 I AM GRETCHEN CATHERINE.
09:32:26 I'M THE PRESIDENT LOCALLY OF THE GREATER TAMPA BAY
09:32:31 CHAPTER OF THE ACLU OF FLORIDA.
09:32:33 I AM A VOLUNTEER ATTORNEY WITH THE ACLU OF FLORIDA.
09:32:36 AND I'M ALSO AN ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE HERE IN
09:32:39 TAMPA.
09:32:40 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR
09:32:47 COMMUNITY AND THE MISTRUST BETWEEN CITIZENS OF THE
09:32:52 COMMUNITY AND OUR GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP, THAT IT'S VERY
09:32:56 IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A CRB THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF THE
09:33:02 CURRENT GOVERNMENT.
09:33:03 AND BY THAT I MEAN WE ALL KNOW THAT MAYOR CASTOR IS A
09:33:08 FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE.
09:33:12 BY ALLOWING HER TO HAVE A DOMINANT ROLE ON THE CRB AND
09:33:18 APPOINT MORE MEMBERS THAN THE CITY COUNCIL, IT'S GIVING
09:33:20 THE IMPRESSION AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE MAYOR'S
09:33:24 INTENTION, IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THE POLICE ARE
09:33:28 STILL CONTROLLING THE CRB, THAT THE CRB IS NOT AN
09:33:32 INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION OR AN INDEPENDENT BOARD THAT
09:33:36 PEOPLE CAN REACH OUT TO FOR ASSISTANCE WHEN THEY BELIEVE
09:33:40 THAT THEY ARE BEING MISTREATED BY THE TAMPA POLICE
09:33:44 DEPARTMENT.
09:33:45 SO I FEEL THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE CRB ESTABLISH
09:33:50 ITSELF INDEPENDENTLY FROM THE MAYOR, AND THE MAYOR NOT
09:33:53 HAVE CONTROL.
09:33:56 THIS NEEDS TO BE A BOARD FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY,
09:34:02 TRUST THAT THEY CAN GO TO SEEK REDRESS FOR COMPLAINTS.
09:34:05 AS IT IS, WE KNOW THAT THE BOARD THAT WAS ENACTED IN 2015
09:34:10 HAS NO TEETH.
09:34:12 TPD CONTROLS THE AGENDA.
09:34:15 I KNOW THAT CHIEF DUGAN HAS BEEN ALLOWING THE BOARD TO
09:34:19 CONTROL ITS OWN AGENDA RECENTLY.
09:34:21 BUT STILL, BY DECREE, TPD AND THE MAYOR, WHO IS A FORMER
09:34:26 CHIEF OF POLICE CONTROL WHAT THE BOARD DOES, AND EVEN IF
09:34:31 THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO BE UNBIASED IN THEIR ROLES,
09:34:36 IT STILL GIVES THE IMPRESSION TO THE COMMUNITY FROM
09:34:39 PEOPLE LOOKING OUT -- LOOKING INTO THE CRB THAT IT IS NOT
09:34:45 AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION, THAT IT'S STILL BEING RUN BY
09:34:48 THE POLICE.
09:34:49 AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE TRUST THAT THEY CAN GO TO THE
09:34:52 CRB WITH PROBLEMS.
09:34:54 AND I THINK I'M IMPLORING CITY COUNCIL TO REALLY FOCUS ON
09:35:01 MAKING THE CRB TRANSPARENT AND MAKE IT COMPLETELY
09:35:05 INDEPENDENT FROM THE MAYOR.
09:35:06 AND I DO HOPE THAT THE MAYOR WILL AGREE TO ALLOW CITY
09:35:11 COUNCIL TO APPOINT MORE SEATS, MORE PEOPLE TO THE BOARD
09:35:14 THAN THE MAYOR APPOINTS.
09:35:16 THANK YOU.
09:35:17 I YIELD MY TIME.
09:35:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:35:24 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE THAT LOGGED IN THAT DID NOT SPEAK
09:35:27 YET?
09:35:27 >>THE CLERK: NO, MR. CHAIR.
09:35:29 THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
09:35:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:35:32 WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
09:35:37 ITEM NUMBER 1 IS I BELIEVE MR. SHELBY WILL BE PRESENTING
09:35:42 THIS, A RESOLUTION, AND HE'LL EXPLAIN.
09:35:45 GO AHEAD, MR. SHELBY.
09:35:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ACTUALLY, COUNCIL, THAT HAS BEEN
09:35:50 DISTRIBUTED BY COUNCILMAN CITRO'S OFFICE.
09:35:52 COUNCILMAN CITRO, IF YOU'RE ON THE LINE, PLEASE, I TURN
09:35:55 THIS AGENDA ITEM OVER TO YOU.
09:35:56 IT WAS YOUR MOTION.
09:35:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
09:35:59 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
09:36:02 I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS RESOLUTION.
09:36:06 IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF SECONDS TO
09:36:09 READ OFF SOME STATISTICS.
09:36:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:36:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS, AS MR. TOM DEGEORGE MENTIONED
09:36:17 EARLIER, THIS IS A NATIONAL CRISIS FOR SMALL-VENUE
09:36:23 CONCERT VENUES.
09:36:25 AND THIS IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:36:28 HOWEVER, WE HAVE SOME GREAT VENUES HERE THAT ARE LOSING
09:36:35 SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH JUST
09:36:39 IN OVERHEAD COSTS AND EXPENSES.
09:36:41 LET ME READ OFF, THE RITZ THEATER DOWN IN YBOR CITY HAS
09:36:46 CAPACITY OF 1500 PEOPLE PER SHOW.
09:36:50 THEY HAVE HAD SOME REALLY GREAT SHOWS THERE THAT I'VE
09:36:53 SEEN.
09:36:53 BOOGIE WITH A HOODIE AND COIN.
09:36:57 AND AS OF MARCH, THEY ARE NOW RUNNING AT 570K LOST.
09:37:04 THE ATTIC, WHICH IS IN YBOR CITY ALSO, THEY PLAY
09:37:08 DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONCERTS, SUCH AS CHEAP TRICK AND A
09:37:12 POETRY SLAM.
09:37:13 IT'S NOT ONLY MUSIC.
09:37:15 THE ORPHEUM, WHICH I HAVE SEEN SOME REALLY GREAT SHOWS
09:37:20 AT, PUBLIC IMAGE LIMITED AND THE KILLERS, NOW, THESE
09:37:24 VENUES AREN'T FITTING IN WITH CARES ACT.
09:37:29 I'VE SPOKEN WITH SOME OF OUR FELLOW MEMBERS DOWN AT THE
09:37:32 BOCC.
09:37:34 HOPEFULLY THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RELAXATION OF SOME OF
09:37:37 THE RULES DOWN THERE FOR MONEY RECEIVED THROUGH CARES.
09:37:42 GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THESE SMALL VENUE PLACES.
09:37:49 LET'S REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE VITAL TO OUR ECONOMY.
09:37:54 THE MONIES THAT ARE SPENT AT THESE LOCATIONS USUALLY STAY
09:37:59 IN THE COMMUNITY MUCH LONGER THAN THE BIGGER VENUES FOR
09:38:02 CONCERTS.
09:38:05 GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, LET'S ALSO REMEMBER THAT GREAT GROUPS,
09:38:08 CLASSIC GROUPS NOW, REM, BLONDIE, THE POLICE, THEY PLAYED
09:38:13 HERE IN TAMPA IN SMALL VENUES BACK IN THE LATE '70s AND
09:38:18 EARLY '80s.
09:38:20 WITHOUT THESE SMALL VENUES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
09:38:23 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE COUNTRY,
09:38:26 THESE BANDS MAY HAVE NEVER MADE IT TO THE BIG CONCERT
09:38:31 ARENA LIKE AMALIE AND RAYMOND JAMES.
09:38:34 I'M ASKING FOR SUPPORT IN THIS RESOLUTION, AND WE CAN
09:38:37 UNITE IN ASKING OUR SENATORS HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA
09:38:40 AND OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PLEASE GIVE ASSISTANCE TO
09:38:43 THESE SMALL CONCERT VENUES.
09:38:46 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:38:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN
09:38:49 CITRO.
09:38:50 YOU MENTIONED THE POLICE, THE BAND, NOT THE DISCUSSION,
09:38:56 BUT, YEAH, ONE OF MY PARENTS' FIRST DATE WAS TO SEE THE
09:38:59 POLICE BUT IT WAS AT THE LAKELAND CIVIC CENTER.
09:39:02 THAT WAS SOMETIME IN THE EARLY '80s.
09:39:04 I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD PERFORMED IN YBOR.
09:39:07 I DIDN'T KNOW THAT BLONDIE WAS DOWN HERE, BUT BESIDES
09:39:11 THAT, I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION WITH TOM DEGEORGE THE
09:39:15 OTHER DAY, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS VISITED
09:39:20 YBOR CITY, GREW UP IN YBOR CITY, KNEW YBOR CITY YEARS AGO
09:39:25 OR TODAY, I THINK OF SOMETHING THAT MY FRIEND FRANK WHO
09:39:29 MOVED FROM PITTSBURGH IN 1985 TO TAMPA SAID, WHEN I CAME
09:39:33 DOWN TO TAMPA AND WENT TO YBOR CITY IN 1985, YOU COULD
09:39:36 TAKE A QUARTER AND THROW IT DOWN 7th AVENUE IN THE
09:39:39 MIDDLE OF THE DAY AND YOU COULD HEAR IT CLINK WHEN IT HIT
09:39:42 THE GROUND.
09:39:42 THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT, YBOR CITY HAS HAD ITS HIGHS
09:39:47 AND LOWS.
09:39:48 WE WERE THE CIGAR CAPITOL OF THE WORLD.
09:39:49 THEN WE HAD WORLD WAR II, THEN THE INTERSTATE COME
09:39:53 THROUGH, THEN URBAN RENEWAL, ALL THESE THINGS.
09:39:56 LOOK AT YBOR CITY FROM 40 YEARS AGO, 35 YEARS AGO, EVEN
09:39:59 20 YEARS AGO UNTIL NOW HOW COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IT IS.
09:40:03 AND IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE TOM DEGEORGE,
09:40:07 PEOPLE LIKE DON BARGO, PEOPLE LIKE THE GONZMART FAMILY,
09:40:10 PEOPLE LIKE JOE CAPITANO AND HIS FAMILY, AND SO MANY
09:40:13 OTHERS THAT INVESTED SO MUCH IN YBOR CITY, AND YBOR CITY
09:40:16 IS NOT JUST THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT AND A COUPLE OF CIGAR
09:40:21 SHOPS.
09:40:21 IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
09:40:23 IT IS A DESTINATION PLACE.
09:40:24 A FRIEND OF MINE WAS A MANAGER AT THE HYATT, NOW THE
09:40:30 HILTON DOWNTOWN, YEARS AGO, AND WHEN PEOPLE WOULD VISIT,
09:40:33 THEY WOULD ASK HIM, WHERE IS BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, WHERE IS
09:40:37 THE COLUMBIA RESTAURANT, WHERE IS YBOR CITY.
09:40:40 THEY WOULD PRONOUNCE IT MANY TIMES Y-BOR CITY.
09:40:49 BEYOND THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS AND THE ROWDIES AT THE
09:40:52 TIME AND WHAT WE HAD, THEY KNEW IN THEIR HEAD, I'VE GOT
09:40:55 TO GO TO BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
09:40:57 I'VE GOT TO GO TO THE COLUMBIA.
09:40:58 I'VE GOT TO GET A CUBAN SANDWICH SOMEWHERE.
09:41:00 I HAVE TO VISIT YBOR CITY.
09:41:02 YBOR CITY HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, NATIONAL REGISTERED
09:41:06 HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT IS ONE THING.
09:41:09 BUT AS A MUSIC VENUE AND MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID
09:41:12 AND MANY OF THE PLACES THAT YOU NAMED AND OF THOSE PLACES
09:41:16 OVER THE YEARS I DID ATTEND SHOWS AND CONCERTS.
09:41:18 BECAUSE THE VENUES ARE SMALLER THAN AN ARENA SIZE OR A
09:41:23 STRAZ-SIZE PERFORMANCE.
09:41:25 IT IS A MORE INTIMATE EXPERIENCE.
09:41:26 I REMEMBER ONE CONCERT I WENT TO ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO, IT
09:41:30 WAS FLOOR SEATING ONLY.
09:41:32 THAT WAS IT.
09:41:32 YOU WALKED IN.
09:41:34 THERE WERE NO SEATS.
09:41:34 A PLACE CALLED THE TWILIGHT WHICH I BELIEVE NOW IS HONEY
09:41:38 POT.
09:41:39 YOU WERE RIGHT THERE CLOSE TO THE BAND.
09:41:41 YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS HISTORY.
09:41:44 YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THESE SIGNIFICANT BRICK STRUCTURES.
09:41:47 BUT THE POINT THAT I'M MAKING -- AND YOU SAID IT -- WHEN
09:41:50 PEOPLE COME TO A LIVE SHOW, BIG OR SMALL, IT CAN BE A
09:41:54 LOCAL BAND.
09:41:55 IT CAN BE A NATIONAL BAND, THEY GO TO RESTAURANT.
09:41:57 THEY GO TO THE CIGAR SHOP.
09:42:00 THEY RESERVE NIGHTS IN OUR HOTELS.
09:42:03 THE FACT IS THAT THEY ARE NOT JUST BUYING A CONCERT
09:42:06 TICKET, THEY ARE INVESTING IN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND
09:42:10 HELPING LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE.
09:42:12 NOBODY WOULD HAVE EXPECTED COVID-19 TO HIT AS IT DID, TO
09:42:18 BE AS SIGNIFICANT AS IT DID, AND AS DESTRUCTIVE AS IT HAS
09:42:24 BEEN.
09:42:24 YOU ALREADY STATED SEVERAL FIGURES OF DIFFERENT VENUES
09:42:28 AND THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT HAS BEEN LOST AND WILL
09:42:34 CONTINUE TO BE LOST AS THESE INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES
09:42:37 AND BUSINESSES TRY TO SURVIVE.
09:42:40 THE ARTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
09:42:42 MORE IMPORTANT THAN I CAN EXPRESS.
09:42:45 I'M NOT TALKING A COUPLE OF PAINTINGS OR A COUPLE OF
09:42:47 PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT ART IS SPOKEN WORD, POETRY, MUSIC,
09:42:50 WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THE ARTS ARE WHAT ADD TO THE FLAVOR
09:42:56 OF THE PAELLA, OKAY, TO QUOTE CESAR GONZMART, OF WHAT IS
09:43:01 TAMPA AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF YBOR CITY AND ALL THE HARD
09:43:03 WORK AND ALL THE INVESTMENT OF SO MANY PEOPLE TO MAKE IT
09:43:07 SO DIVERSE AND SO WELCOMING TO THIS COMMUNITY, RECOGNIZED
09:43:10 NOT ONLY LOCALLY BUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT HERE, WE
09:43:15 HAVE TO HELP.
09:43:16 SOME SAY, WELL, THIS IS JUST A RESOLUTION, THIS IS JUST A
09:43:20 LETTER.
09:43:20 BUT AS A BODY THAT WE COME TOGETHER AND IMPLORE THE
09:43:23 POWERS THAT BE, WHOMEVER, SOMEBODY IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE,
09:43:28 COUNTY COMMISSION OR STATE LEVEL, TO HELP THESE VENUES SO
09:43:30 THAT THEY CAN SURVIVE.
09:43:32 WE CAN'T LOSE THEM.
09:43:33 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
09:43:35 ARE THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON
09:43:39 THIS ITEM?
09:43:39 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA, IF I MAY.
09:43:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
09:43:42 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:43:44 I JUST WANTED TO SIGNAL MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THIS.
09:43:48 IN TAMPA, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SMALLER VENUES, WE'VE
09:43:52 HAD SOME REMARKABLE INDIVIDUALS AND ARTISTS COME.
09:43:55 THE GREAT CUBAN REFUGEE AND CUBAN AMERICAN ARTIST,
09:44:01 SHOOTER JENNINGS I KNOW HAS BEEN HERE RECENTLY WHO IS
09:44:05 JUST SUCH A GREAT COUNTRY STAR AND A WONDERFUL ARTIST.
09:44:12 OUR CONCERT VENUES ARE FEELING LEFT WITHOUT SUPPORT,
09:44:17 ABANDONED.
09:44:18 AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS.
09:44:21 SO I HOPE THAT WE SURRENDER TO THIS REQUEST.
09:44:24 SORRY.
09:44:25 CHEAP TRICK, SONG NAME DROP.
09:44:28 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:44:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST TO -- I NEED TO GIVE THANKS TO WHERE
09:44:43 THANKS IS DUE.
09:44:45 TOM DEGEORGE, THANK YOU FOR BEING A LEADER.
09:44:47 THANK YOU FOR INFORMING ME.
09:44:48 THANK YOU FOR GETTING INVOLVED.
09:44:49 THIS IS A GREAT EFFORTS THAT NEEDS THIS CITY'S SUPPORT,
09:44:53 THE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK, TIM
09:44:57 HEBERLEIN, MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE FOR HELPING ME PUT THIS
09:45:00 TOGETHER, MORRIS MASSEY BUT MORE ESPECIALLY TO OUR CITY
09:45:03 ATTORNEY, MR. MARTIN SHELBY FOR HELPING ME DRAFT THIS
09:45:06 RESOLUTION.
09:45:07 THANK YOU TO THE COUNCILMEN FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS.
09:45:10 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:45:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
09:45:12 ARE THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK?
09:45:16 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ADD IN, I TALKED TO TOM
09:45:21 DEGEORGE ALSO AND IT'S A REALLY SAD SITUATION.
09:45:24 I THINK PERFORMING ARTS ARE ESSENTIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY.
09:45:29 AS YOU ALL KIND OF ALLUDED TO, THE INCENTIVES OUT THERE
09:45:32 BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND OTHER PLACES DIDN'T APPLY
09:45:35 TO THESE GROUPS.
09:45:36 SO THEY HAVE LOST SOMETIMES TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
09:45:39 A MONTH.
09:45:39 THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN'T POSSIBLY COVER THE LOSSES THAT
09:45:45 THEY'VE HAD.
09:45:46 SO I THINK A RESOLUTION TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND
09:45:49 STATE IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE
09:45:52 THE RESOURCES TO HELP.
09:45:53 THANK YOU.
09:45:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:55 ANYBODY ELSE?
09:45:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MIRANDA.
09:45:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:45:58 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:45:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
09:46:02 I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
09:46:04 BEING BORN IN YBOR CITY, IT DOESN'T MAKE ME ANY BETTER
09:46:07 THAN ANY ONE ELSE.
09:46:09 I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT YBOR CITY WAY BACK.
09:46:11 ONLY PLACE THAT IT 12,000 EMPLOYEES MAKING CIGARS.
09:46:15 AT ONE TIME WE MADE MORE CIGARS THAN CUBA.
09:46:18 THE CITY OF TAMPA HAD MORE CIGARS BEING MANUFACTURED THAN
09:46:20 THE WHOLE ISLAND OF CUBA.
09:46:23 YBOR CITY WAS A UNIQUE PLACE AND STILL IS.
09:46:26 IT'S CHANGED BUT COMING AROUND.
09:46:28 WAY BACK WHEN IT FIRST STARTED, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON
09:46:31 COUNCIL IN THE '70s, THIS YBOR CITY HAD THREE THINGS.
09:46:36 THEY WERE NOT IN THE POSITIVE.
09:46:38 THEY WERE IN THE NEGATIVE.
09:46:39 PROSTITUTION, TUMBLEWEED AND ALCOHOL, ILLEGAL ALCOHOL.
09:46:46 UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION OF DICK GRECO, STARTED THE
09:46:49 REVIEW AND RENAISSANCE COMING BACK OF YBOR CITY.
09:46:53 I GOT TO THANK THAT ADMINISTRATION FOR STARTING AND
09:46:57 TAKING HARD STEPS FORWARD ALTHOUGH CRITICIZED HEAVILY FOR
09:46:59 THE INVESTMENT THAT THIS MAYOR AND THIS COUNCIL WAY BACK
09:47:03 IN THE '70s, '80s AND '90s MADE IN YBOR CITY AND
09:47:06 CONTINUE TO DO SO WITH THIS COUNCIL.
09:47:09 WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT YBOR CITY AND REALIZE THAT A LOT OF
09:47:13 THINGS STARTED IN YBOR CITY WERE TAKEN OVER BY THE
09:47:15 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH A DIFFERENT NAME, NAMELY MUTUAL
09:47:19 AID SOCIETY.
09:47:20 WELL, WHAT IS THAT?
09:47:21 THAT IS WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO HAD VERY LITTLE GOT TOGETHER,
09:47:25 PEOPLE FROM THE ITALIAN CLUB, FROM CENTRO ESPANOL, FROM
09:47:30 CENTRO ASTURIANO, FROM THE CUBAN CLUB, FROM ALL OTHERS,
09:47:35 THAT HAD NOTHING BUT UNITY, NOTHING BUT TO MAKE A BETTER
09:47:40 LIFE FOR THEIR KIDS.
09:47:41 NOTHING BUT HAVE TAMPA BE BETTER THAN ANYPLACE ELSE ON
09:47:45 EARTH.
09:47:46 THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE GIVE THANKS TO.
09:47:48 THERE WAS VERY LITTLE MONEY YET LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS
09:47:50 THEY BUILT.
09:47:51 I DON'T THINK THERE WERE FEDERAL GRANTS THEN.
09:47:53 THEY BUILT IT ONE BRICK AT A TIME BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
09:47:57 HAVE THE MEMORIES OF WHAT AMERICA GAVE TO THEM BACK TO
09:48:00 THE FUTURE.
09:48:01 AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT STARTED IT.
09:48:06 WHAT IS MUTUAL AID SOCIETY?
09:48:08 IT IS NOW SOMETHING CALLED MEDICARE.
09:48:11 AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS, SOME HAD VERY LITTLE EDUCATION,
09:48:15 KNEW THAT HEALTH CARE WAS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE
09:48:18 NEEDED, NOT ONLY IN YBOR CITY, BUT IN THIS COUNTRY.
09:48:22 TO THEM, WE HAVE TO GIVE THANKS FOR A LOT OF THINGS THAT
09:48:26 HAPPEN IN TAMPA, INCLUDING PUTTING TAMPA ON THE MAP.
09:48:29 YBOR CITY WAS THE START OF THINGS THAT SNOWBALLED INTO
09:48:33 THE GREAT CITY THAT WE ARE TODAY.
09:48:35 I JUST WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO ALL THOSE THAT ARE NOT HERE
09:48:38 NOW.
09:48:38 YOU HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE, PEOPLE DON'T TALK BUT I
09:48:44 STILL LISTEN TO THEM.
09:48:45 THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT GAVE US THE RIGHT, THE
09:48:49 OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE CITY WE ARE.
09:48:51 I WANT TO GIVE THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO DON'T VOTE, BUT
09:48:55 ARE THE ONES THAT BROUGHT THE CITY OF TAMPA HERE TODAY
09:49:00 WHERE WE ARE AT.
09:49:01 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:49:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:49:03 ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS?
09:49:04 HEARING NONE, COUNCILMAN CITRO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A
09:49:08 MOTION TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION?
09:49:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:49:12 HAPPILY.
09:49:13 I MOVE THIS RESOLUTION.
09:49:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:49:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
09:49:17 CITRO.
09:49:18 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:49:20 MR. SHELBY, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THIS OR UNANIMOUS
09:49:25 --
09:49:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:49:28 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
09:49:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:49:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:49:32 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:49:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:49:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:49:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:49:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:49:43 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:49:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:49:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
09:49:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:49:53 ITEMS 2, 3, AND 4, IF YOU NOTICED, ARE CONNECTED IN MANY
09:49:59 WAYS.
09:50:00 SO I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE SPEAKERS THAT ARE
09:50:03 ON THE LINE FOR THIS WILL DO ONE PRESENTATION.
09:50:07 WE'LL BUNDLE IT UP JUST TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION
09:50:13 STREAMLINED.
09:50:13 IF YOU'D LIKE TO BEGIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS THE CHIEF
09:50:16 OF STAFF, CHIEF OF POLICE, WHOMEVER IT IS, GO AHEAD FOR
09:50:19 ITEMS 2, 3, 4.
09:50:21 WE'LL TAKE THEM TOGETHER AND THEN HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
09:50:25 >>BRIAN DUGAN: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:50:26 BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:50:30 WE HAVE WORKED AS A COOPERATIVE EFFORT TO COLLECT THE
09:50:33 DATA AND INFORMATION WITH ME, DR. BREONNA FOX FROM THE
09:50:40 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
09:50:41 CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY,
09:50:43 URSULA RICHARDSON.
09:50:45 ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE LEE BERCAW AND LIEUTENANT
09:50:49 KIMBERLY HILL.
09:50:52 DR. FOX WILL KICK OFF WITH A TIMELINE OF THE PROGRESSIVE
09:50:58 POLICING POLICY IN THE U.S.
09:51:05 >> HI, EVERYBODY.
09:51:07 GOOD MORNING.
09:51:10 >>GINA GRIMES: GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.
09:51:13 SULING, COULD YOU ALLOW US TO SHARE THE SCREEN SO WE
09:51:17 COULD PUT UP OUR PowerPoint?
09:51:18 THANK YOU.
09:51:25 >> FIRST TECHNOLOGY ISSUE OF THE MORNING.
09:51:28 I'M BREONNA FOX FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA.
09:51:31 ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINOLOGY.
09:51:33 I WAS ASKED BY MAYOR CASTOR IN THE MIDSUMMER TO COME ON
09:51:39 TO HER MAYOR'S TASK FORCE ON COMMUNITY POLICING.
09:51:43 THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE A TASK FORCE THAT WAS LISTENING TO
09:51:48 BOTH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR OUR CITY
09:51:52 AND, OF COURSE, LOOK AT THE RESEARCH AND TRYING TO BRING
09:51:57 ALL THREE TOGETHER AND FIND THE POLICIES, PRACTICES AND
09:51:59 PROGRAMS THAT WERE MOST EFFECTIVE AT ADDRESSING CONCERNS
09:52:04 RAISED BY CITIZENS, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT WAS
09:52:07 HAPPENING IN THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:52:10 SPEAKING ABOUT NATIONAL TRENDS, THERE OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN
09:52:14 A TREND TOWARDS LOOKING MORE TOWARDS CITIZENS TO INFORM
09:52:19 OUR FUTURE POLICING STRATEGIES.
09:52:22 THIS HAS BEEN I THINK BENEFICIAL BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR
09:52:27 POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE EMPOWERED THROUGH OUR COMMUNITIES
09:52:31 AND THROUGH OUR CITIZENS.
09:52:32 I ALSO THINK THAT TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN
09:52:35 EXTREMELY RECEPTIVE IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH ME AND THE
09:52:40 FINDINGS THAT I PUT FORWARD, THE ACCESSIBILITY, THE
09:52:45 INFORMATION, AND I THINK JUST THE WILLINGNESS AND
09:52:49 OPENNESS TO WANT TO DO THESE TYPES OF THINGS.
09:52:52 I PERSONALLY HAVE WORKED WITH AGENCIES AROUND THE
09:52:56 COUNTRY, IN FACT, THE GLOBE, AND THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS, I
09:52:59 THINK, AS WILLING OR AS INTERESTED IN IMPROVEMENTS AND
09:53:04 MOVING FORWARD.
09:53:05 I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED BECAUSE I'VE WORKED
09:53:09 WITH AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER CONSENT DECREE.
09:53:15 I'VE WORKED WITH AGENCIES WHERE I FELT VOLUNTOLD, YOU
09:53:15 KNOW, TO WORK WITH ME.
09:53:19 THAT IS NOT THE IMPRESSION THAT I FELT HERE IN TAMPA
09:53:21 WHERE I AM A RESIDENT.
09:53:22 OF COURSE, AS A CITIZEN MYSELF, THIS IS SOMETHING I WAS
09:53:25 DEEPLY ENGAGED AND INTERESTED IN, IN MOVING FORWARD.
09:53:30 I HAVE A FEW POINTS IN TERMS OF THE WORK WE DID THIS
09:53:32 SUMMER.
09:53:33 THE FINDINGS THAT I HAD AND WHAT WE'RE DOING MOVING
09:53:37 FORWARD.
09:53:40 JUST TO BRIEFLY RECAP, A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE, MY
09:53:44 JOB, MYSELF AND MY GRADUATE STUDENTS, THEY WERE
09:53:47 PREDOMINANTLY DOCTORAL AND FEW MASTER STUDENTS AT USF.
09:53:51 WE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
09:53:53 WE DID THIS THROUGH FOCUS GROUPS, DISCUSSIONS.
09:53:58 WE ALSO DID SOME MORE QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS OF SURVEY
09:54:01 DATA.
09:54:02 WE ALSO LISTENED TO THE POLICE OFFICERS, AND WE WANTED TO
09:54:06 MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GETTING THE FULL PICTURE OF
09:54:09 INFORMATION.
09:54:10 AND THEN I CROSS-REFERENCED EVERYTHING WITH DIFFERENT
09:54:14 POLICIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WERE AVAILABLE AND
09:54:16 EVIDENCE-BASED IN NATURE.
09:54:18 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND
09:54:22 HASN'T BEEN ALREADY TESTED AND TRIED OUT IN ANOTHER
09:54:27 AGENCY AND BEEN SHOWN TO WORK.
09:54:29 WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LIVING IN AN ERA OF COVID AND WE DON'T
09:54:32 WANT TO DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT EVIDENCE BASED AND SHOWN
09:54:35 TO WORK.
09:54:36 NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE A VACCINE THAT DOESN'T WORK.
09:54:40 I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IN MY CITY IN TAMPA WHERE I'M
09:54:43 RECOMMENDING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T SHOWN TO WORK IN THE
09:54:45 PAST.
09:54:45 THAT WAS THE FRAMEWORK FROM WHICH I WAS WORKING.
09:54:48 THE OTHER PART OF THE FRAMEWORK WAS THE FIVE PILLARS,
09:54:52 FIVE OF THE SIX THAT RELATE TO THE COMMUNITY FROM THE
09:54:56 PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PILLARS OF 21st CENTURY POLICING.
09:55:01 THIS WAS DONE IN 2015 IN THE AFTERMATH OF FERGUSON, AND
09:55:05 PRESIDENT OBAMA ESTABLISHES A TASK FORCE WITH SCHOLARS,
09:55:09 POLICE OFFICIALS AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
09:55:13 BASICALLY DOING ON A LARGER SCALE WHAT WE DID HERE IN
09:55:16 TAMPA.
09:55:17 THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY MASSIVE EFFORTS, INCREDIBLY
09:55:21 DIFFICULT, AND FROM THAT WORK, THEY IDENTIFIED THE SIX
09:55:26 PILLARS THAT THEY SAID POLICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE
09:55:30 NATION SHOULD STRIVE TO ADDRESS AND IMPLEMENT IN THEIR
09:55:35 COMMUNITIES.
09:55:35 FROM THOSE FIVE, A FRAMEWORK TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT IN
09:55:41 TAMPA.
09:55:41 THE FIVE PILLARS WERE BUILDING TRUST AND LEGITIMACY,
09:55:45 POLICY AND OVERSIGHT, TECHNOLOGY AND SOCIAL MEDIA,
09:55:50 COMMUNITY POLICING AND CRIME REDUCTION, TRAINING AND
09:55:54 EDUCATION, AND THEN IN LIGHT OF WHAT RECENTLY HAD
09:55:57 TRANSPIRED THIS SUMMER WITH THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD
09:56:00 AND THE RESPONSES TO THAT, WE ADDED A SIXTH ELEMENT.
09:56:06 THE MAYOR ASKED THAT I ADD THIS IN, LOOKING AT FUNDING
09:56:09 AND RESOURCES FOR POLICE.
09:56:10 SO THOSE ARE THE SIX THINGS THAT WE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON
09:56:13 WITH LOOKING AT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM THE POLICE
09:56:16 DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE.
09:56:17 SO FROM THAT, THERE WERE A FEW MAJOR TAKEAWAYS.
09:56:21 I HEARD SOME CONSISTENT THEMES.
09:56:23 I SAW SOME THINGS AND THEN LOOKING AT THE RESEARCH, I
09:56:27 CAME UP WITH SOME FINDINGS BASED UPON THOSE FIVE PILLARS,
09:56:31 PLUS OUR BONUS PILLAR OF THE FUNDING AND RESOURCES FOR
09:56:35 POLICE.
09:56:36 JUST TO QUICKLY GO OVER SOME OF THESE, AND I'M HAPPY TO
09:56:39 EITHER DISCUSS ALL OF THEM.
09:56:42 17 FINDINGS IN TOTAL.
09:56:46 SOME OF THEM WERE SMALLER IN NATURE.
09:56:48 SOME OF THEM WERE LARGER IN TERMS OF MAYBE DIFFICULTY TO
09:56:51 IMPLEMENT OR THE SIZE OF THE RECOMMENDATION AND FINDING.
09:56:55 BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW THAT I THINK ARE
09:56:58 MOST IMPACTFUL FOR TAMPA, AND ALSO JUST STRESS THAT I'VE
09:57:03 AGAIN WORKED WITH AGENCIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND GLOBE,
09:57:08 AND TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING AN EXERCISE LIKE THIS
09:57:11 THERE'S MAYBE ONE, TWO FINDINGS OR CHANGES.
09:57:14 IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE 17.
09:57:16 IT'S NOT A REFERENDUM ON THE PROBLEMS, IT WAS MORE OF I
09:57:22 WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING EVERYTHING
09:57:24 THAT THE COMMUNITY SAID, BUT THE RESPONSE TO IT I THINK
09:57:28 IS ALSO NOTABLE IN OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE TWO
09:57:31 FINDINGS.
09:57:33 IT'S A MASSIVE OVERHAUL.
09:57:35 THAT IS A BIG DEAL TO IMPLEMENT.
09:57:36 HERE IN TAMPA, WE HAD 17, AND I WAS IMMEDIATELY TOLD THE
09:57:40 SAME DAY WE ARE GOING TO DO EVERY SINGLE ONE.
09:57:44 I JUST WANTED TO BE PAUSE AND NOTE HOW REMARKABLE THAT IS
09:57:48 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU SEE EVER.
09:57:51 SO I DO THINK THAT IT IS VERY PROMISING.
09:57:53 I JUST WANTED TO STRESS THAT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE
09:57:57 HAVING DONE THIS IN VARIOUS PLACES.
09:58:00 IN TERMS OF BUILDING TRUST AND LEGITIMACY, MY PRIMARY
09:58:04 FINDING WAS IMPLEMENTING PROCEDURAL JUSTICE AS A MODEL.
09:58:11 DO THIS THROUGH ADDITIONAL TRAINING.
09:58:14 PROCEDURAL JUSTICE IS WHERE YOU WANT TO BUILD COMMUNITY
09:58:16 TRUST AND INCREASE PERCEPTIONS OF LEGITIMACY IN THE
09:58:19 POLICE BY REFOCUSING ON CARRYING OUT OFFICER DUTIES IN A
09:58:22 WAY THAT IS OBJECTIVELY FAIR, CONSISTENT, TRANSPARENT,
09:58:26 REFLECTIVE OF UNDERSTANDING AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND
09:58:29 TREAT CITIZENS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
09:58:32 FOR MANY, I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT OF POLICE
09:58:36 EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THEY ARE ALREADY DOING.
09:58:38 FOR OTHERS, I THINK IT'S REFOCUSING ON THESE GOALS AND
09:58:42 REMEMBERING THAT WE DO SERVE THE CITIZENS, AND THAT'S
09:58:45 WHAT OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE.
09:58:47 SO MAKING THAT A PRIMARY, UNDERSCORING IT, THAT THIS IS
09:58:52 WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND HERE'S HOW TO DO IT.
09:58:55 ON A RECENT PAPER I DID WITH COLLEAGUES AT USF, STRESS
09:58:59 THE BENEFITS OF THIS, BOTH FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE
09:59:03 POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
09:59:05 WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS THAT ARE MORE TRUSTING IN POLICE,
09:59:08 THAT THINK POLICE ARE MORE LEGITIMATE, THEY ARE MORE
09:59:12 COOPERATIVE.
09:59:13 THEY ARE MORE WILLING TO EMPOWER POLICE, TO DO THINGS
09:59:16 THAT POLICE NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS EFFECTIVELY.
09:59:22 THIS IS A BENEFIT FOR EVERYBODY.
09:59:23 WIN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:59:24 A WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
09:59:26 AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE'VE IMPLEMENTED IT IN
09:59:29 OTHER AGENCIES AROUND THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN SHOWN TO DO
09:59:32 WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO, WHICH IS INCREASE TRUST, INCREASE
09:59:34 LEGITIMACY, INCREASE COOPERATION, AND ULTIMATELY ANOTHER
09:59:39 BENEFIT IS WE FOUND REDUCTIONS IN CRIME WITH AREAS THAT
09:59:42 HAVE MORE PROCEDURAL JUSTICE.
09:59:45 SO THAT WAS A MAJOR RECOMMENDATION AND ONE WHICH WILL BE
09:59:48 IMPLEMENTED HERE IN TAMPA.
09:59:50 ANOTHER IS INCREASING TRANSPARENCY.
09:59:55 I THINK THAT A CONSISTENT THEME I HEARD WAS WE WANT TO
09:59:58 KNOW AS CITIZENS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR POLICE
10:00:01 DEPARTMENT.
10:00:02 AND BY KNOWING AND BEING ABLE TO FEEL MORE THEY CAN HOLD
10:00:07 POLICE ACCOUNTABLE.
10:00:08 SOME FINDINGS I HAD WAS PUT OUR POLICIES ONLINE.
10:00:12 MAKE IT EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR CITIZENS.
10:00:14 I THINK THIS IS A MAJOR FINDING.
10:00:18 THIS IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ONE THAT, AGAIN, THE POLICE
10:00:21 DEPARTMENT IMMEDIATELY SAID, YES, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO.
10:00:25 I THINK THAT SPEAKS AGAIN TO THE FACT THAT MAKING OUR
10:00:27 POLICIES AND DATA AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS WHERE THEY ARE
10:00:30 NOT GETTING INFORMATION TWICE ANNUALLY AND IN A DELAYED
10:00:35 FASHION I THINK WILL HELP CITIZENS FEEL INCREASED TRUST
10:00:40 IN POLICE BUT ALSO MAKING IT SO THEY ARE FEELING LIKE WE
10:00:45 UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH THE POLICE
10:00:47 DEPARTMENT.
10:00:47 AGAIN, THAT SPEAKS TO THE POLICE COMMUNITY RELATIONS FOR
10:00:51 HERE IN TAMPA AND THEN FOR OTHERS WHO WANT TO LOOK
10:00:54 OUTSIDE OF TAMPA AS WELL.
10:00:55 IN TERMS OF POLICY AND OVERSIGHT, ONE OF MY MAJOR
10:01:00 FINDINGS WAS RELATING TO THE UPDATE OF OUR USE OF FORCE
10:01:04 POLICY HERE IN TAMPA.
10:01:05 THAT WAS SOMETHING WITHIN TWO DAYS OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS
10:01:12 BEING MADE THAT CHIEF DUGAN IMPLEMENTED.
10:01:15 SPECIFICALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS RECOMMENDING IS TO
10:01:17 ADD ATTEMPTS TO DE-ESCALATE WHEN POSSIBLE TO THE USE OF
10:01:22 FORCE POLICY.
10:01:23 THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE 8 CAN'T WAIT
10:01:27 RECOMMENDATIONS.
10:01:27 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WAS IMMEDIATELY ACHIEVED.
10:01:30 AGAIN, THIS WASN'T A BIG CHANGE, BUT IT IS A MEANINGFUL
10:01:35 ONE.
10:01:35 SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS, AGAIN, JUST
10:01:39 INDICATIVE OF WHERE WE'RE AT HERE IN TAMPA.
10:01:42 I HAVE ONLY A FEW MORE LEFT.
10:01:45 SO THE NEXT ONE WAS ON COMMUNITY POLICING AND CRIME
10:01:48 REDUCTION.
10:01:49 IN TERMS OF CRIME REDUCTION, THE CITIZENS FELT BASED UPON
10:01:52 OUR DATA AND RESEARCH THAT WE WERE IN PRETTY GREAT SHAPE
10:01:57 HERE IN TAMPA.
10:01:58 THERE WAS VERY LOW FEAR OF CRIME.
10:02:01 CITIZENS FELT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS DOING A GOOD
10:02:04 JOB IN TERMS OF KEEPING CRIME AT A LOW LEVEL, RESPONDING
10:02:08 APPROPRIATELY AND SOLVING CRIMES WHEN THEY DID OCCUR.
10:02:11 I FOCUSED MY WORK PREDOMINANTLY ON THE COMMUNITY POLICING
10:02:16 ELEMENT.
10:02:17 ONE ELEMENT OF THAT IS, ARE WE DOING COMMUNITY ORIENTED
10:02:21 POLICING?
10:02:22 THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND A TYPICAL POLICING MODEL
10:02:25 IS THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
10:02:29 HAVE POSITIVE, NONENFORCEMENT RELATED ACTIONS AND
10:02:33 INTERACTIONS WITH CITIZENS.
10:02:34 SO WHEN I SAY NONENFORCEMENT RELATED, I MEAN NOT
10:02:37 NECESSARILY TO MAKE AN ARREST OR TO GATHER INTELLIGENCE.
10:02:42 IT'S JUST TO GET TO KNOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
10:02:44 HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS GET TO KNOW POLICE.
10:02:47 HAVING THIS BE A PHILOSOPHY, RATHER THAN JUST ONE-OFF
10:02:51 PROGRAM, OF WHICH THERE ARE MANY, MANY IN TAMPA.
10:02:54 AND MANY OF WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT AND OTHER CITIZENS
10:02:58 DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, WHICH AGAIN EMPHASIZES THE NEED FOR
10:03:00 COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY, BECAUSE BEING DONE BUT WE
10:03:05 DON'T KNOW ABOUT, IT IS THE SAME THING.
10:03:07 IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THESE
10:03:10 THINGS, WE OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE A BETTER PERCEPTION.
10:03:12 SO I RECOMMENDED OR ONE OF THE FINDINGS WAS TO TURN THIS
10:03:18 RELATIONSHIP BUILDING INTO OUR PHILOSOPHY HERE IN TAMPA.
10:03:20 AGAIN, I THINK THIS WAS IMMEDIATELY RECEIVED, AND THESE
10:03:25 EFFORTS TO HAVE PROGRAMS SUCH AS COPS OUT OF CARS, WHERE
10:03:30 POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE DOING THEIR NORMAL PATROLS JUST
10:03:33 TAKE TIME EVERY WEEK TO GET OUT AND WALK AROUND AND SPEAK
10:03:36 TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THEY WANT
10:03:39 TO KNOW WHO LIVES ON THAT STREET AND HELP CHANGE A LIGHT
10:03:42 BULB RATHER THAN HAVE THE COMMUNITY MEMBER DO IT
10:03:45 THEMSELVES.
10:03:46 THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I THINK REALLY GO A LONG WAY.
10:03:49 WHEN I'M SPEAKING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN OUR FOCUS
10:03:52 GROUPS CONSISTENTLY SAID THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR WAY TO
10:03:55 BUILD TRUST AND FOR THEM TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH
10:03:58 THE POLICE THAT ARE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT WE
10:04:00 NEED, PARTICULARLY FOR PART TWO OF THIS, WHICH IS CRIME
10:04:04 REDUCTION.
10:04:05 IN TERMS OF TRAINING AND EDUCATION, THERE WERE TWO MAJOR
10:04:08 THEMES.
10:04:09 ONE WAS, IT'S NOT THE QUANTITY OF TRAINING.
10:04:12 IT'S THE QUALITY.
10:04:13 THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT I WAS
10:04:16 ADDRESSING EARLIER IN TERMS OF EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICES
10:04:19 AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST THING, NOT JUST
10:04:23 SOMETHING.
10:04:23 SO THEY CONSISTENTLY SAID LET'S GO FOR THE QUALITY OF
10:04:26 TRAINING AND NOT JUST MORE OF IT.
10:04:28 AND SOMETIMES MORE CAN GET IN THE WAY OF THE QUALITY, IF
10:04:34 YOU'RE GETTING TOO MUCH AND YOU MAY HAVE IT OBFUSCATED.
10:04:38 ONE OF THE FEW TRAININGS I DID RECOMMEND WAS
10:04:41 DE-ESCALATION TRAINING.
10:04:44 THIS HAS BEEN INCREASINGLY USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
10:04:49 THERE HAS BEEN RESEARCH ON THE PERF MODEL, WHICH IS ICAT,
10:04:51 INTEGRATING COMMUNICATIONS, ASSESSMENT, AND TACTICS
10:04:56 TRAINING, AND THEY FOUND FROM EVALUATIONS OF THIS THAT
10:05:00 OFFICERS WHO WERE TRAINED IN THIS WERE LESS LIKELY TO USE
10:05:03 FORCE, AND THERE WERE ALSO FEWER CITIZEN COMPLAINTS
10:05:07 AGAINST OFFICERS AFTER THIS ICAT TRAINING.
10:05:10 SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT I WOULD PERSONALLY RECOMMEND.
10:05:15 IT WOULD ALSO ALIGN WITH THE 8 CAN'T WAIT RECOMMENDATION
10:05:19 TO IMPLEMENT DE-ESCALATION IN OUR STANDARD OPERATING
10:05:23 PROCEDURES AND THEN ALSO, THIS IS MY PERSONALLY
10:05:26 RECOMMENDATION, TO TRACK DATA ON DE-ESCALATION.
10:05:30 WE WANT TO KNOW EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT THIS IS DONE.
10:05:33 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALSO THAT IT'S BEING REINFORCED.
10:05:36 IT'S NOT JUST THE TRAINING WE DO AND THEN WE CONTINUE
10:05:39 ABOUT OUR DAY.
10:05:39 EVERY SINGLE TIME A POLICE REPORT IS FILLED OUT AND
10:05:43 SOMEONE IS BEING ASKED ABOUT DE-ESCALATION, IT EMPHASIZES
10:05:46 THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE VALUE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
10:05:48 WE'RE DOING WHENEVER FEASIBLE.
10:05:50 IT'S NOT ALWAYS FEASIBLE, BUT THE TIMES THAT IT IS, WE
10:05:53 WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING IT.
10:05:56 MY FOLLOW-UP RECOMMENDATION WAS ALSO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO
10:05:59 EVALUATE IT HERE IN TAMPA.
10:06:01 I DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, WHICH IS THAT WE WILL BE
10:06:03 ABLE TO DO THIS.
10:06:05 AND THAT'S VERY, AGAIN, UNUSUAL.
10:06:09 MOST POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITIES ARE NOT ABLE TO
10:06:11 EVALUATE THEIR WORK, AND PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING
10:06:15 LIKE THIS THAT'S COSTLY.
10:06:17 AND THERE ARE SO MANY BEING DONE.
10:06:19 I WAS VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT THAT WAS SO WELL
10:06:22 RECEIVED AND WE'LL BE THE IMPLEMENT AND EVALUATE THE
10:06:25 EFFECTS OF THIS HERE IN TAMPA.
10:06:27 MY LAST RECOMMENDATION, THE POINT I WAS LOOKING AT,
10:06:30 FUNDING AND RESOURCES.
10:06:32 I THINK A MAJOR TAKEAWAY FROM MY DISCUSSION WITH THE
10:06:35 COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THE VAST MAJORITY WHEN WE SPOKE TO
10:06:38 THEM SAID WE NEED THE POLICE.
10:06:40 SOME WERE ACTUALLY WORRIED, WHAT WOULD WE DO IF I HAD A
10:06:44 CRIME AT MY HOUSE AND I DIDN'T HAVE A POLICE OFFICER
10:06:46 THERE TO RESPOND.
10:06:48 THERE WERE SOME THAT SAID, IF I HAVE SOMETHING BAD
10:06:51 HAPPEN, I NEED AN OFFICER THERE LICKETY-SPLIT, THERE WERE
10:06:55 A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT THIS, BUT THEY FELT THAT WE NEED
10:06:58 THE POLICE, BUT THERE WERE ALSO SOME AREAS FELT COULD USE
10:07:03 ADDITIONAL HELP.
10:07:04 ONE WAS RESPONDING TO MENTAL HEALTH AND SOCIAL WELFARE
10:07:08 CALLS.
10:07:09 THERE WAS, I THINK -- THIS HAS BEEN A CALL ACROSS THE
10:07:12 COUNTRY, AND HERE IN TAMPA.
10:07:14 WE LOOKED AT THIS FOR ADDRESSING THIS CONCERN.
10:07:18 AND WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THAT IN THE PAST FEW DECADES WE'VE
10:07:22 HAD AN INCREASING NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH
10:07:26 ISSUES AND SOCIAL WELFARE NEEDS CALLING POLICE TO HELP
10:07:30 ADDRESS THEM.
10:07:30 AND IT IS PUTTING MORE AND MORE ON OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT
10:07:34 SHOULDERS.
10:07:35 WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO MORE BUT WE'RE ALSO SAYING, WE
10:07:38 MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FULLY FUND IT OR ADDRESS IT.
10:07:44 I THINK FOR ME, LOOKING AT THE CO-RESPONSE MODELS WHERE
10:07:46 PEOPLE HAVE IMPLEMENTED SOCIAL WELFARE AND MAYBE MENTAL
10:07:51 HEALTH WORKERS TO GO OUT WITH POLICE AND RESPOND TO THESE
10:07:56 TYPES OF CASES THERE HAVE BEEN POSITIVE RESULTS, WHERE
10:07:59 THERE ARE FAR FEWER ARRESTS MADE IN THESE CASES.
10:08:03 THEY ARE TYPICALLY LESS VIOLENCE OR LESS PROPENSITY FOR
10:08:09 VIOLENCE TO OCCUR.
10:08:10 MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET HELP RATHER
10:08:13 THAN END UP IN JAIL OR PRISON.
10:08:15 THAT IS THE THING WE WOULD WANT TO MOST AVOID.
10:08:19 I THINK THAT WAS A MAJOR FINDING AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN
10:08:22 ADDRESSED THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND IT IS BEING LOOKED AT
10:08:24 FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:08:27 I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED ON THAT FRONT AS WELL.
10:08:30 THOSE WERE ALL OF MY MAJOR FINDINGS AND TAKEAWAYS.
10:08:34 I'M HAPPY TO EITHER ADDRESS QUESTIONS AT THE END OR SPEAK
10:08:36 TO SOME OF THE OTHER FINDINGS IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED.
10:08:40 THANK YOU.
10:08:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT
10:08:42 THIS TIME OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR
10:08:45 EVERYBODY AND THEN WE SPEAK FROM THERE?
10:08:52 >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
10:08:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HEARD DINGFELDER, CARLSON AND
10:08:56 VIERA, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
10:08:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GUDES.
10:08:59 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA DOES NOT HAVE A QUESTION AT THIS
10:09:01 TIME.
10:09:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DINGFELDER, CARLSON --
10:09:05 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M GOING TO DEFER EVERYTHING TO THE END.
10:09:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DINGFELDER, GO AHEAD.
10:09:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:09:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
10:09:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU AGAIN, DR. FOX, FOR JOINING
10:09:20 US AND PARTICIPATING IN ALL OF THIS.
10:09:22 I WASN'T PART OF THE PROCESS THAT THE MAYOR PUT TOGETHER
10:09:32 -- [LOW AUDIO] OF THE CITY.
10:10:02 >> THAT IS A GREAT METHODOLOGICAL --
10:10:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A MASTERS IN STATISTICS AND
10:10:10 GENETICS.
10:10:11 SO THERE YOU GO.
10:10:14 >> YOU CAN TELL.
10:10:15 I WAS ABLE TO ONLY TALK TO PEOPLE, THEY WERE PART OF OUR
10:10:21 TASK FORCE ON POLICING.
10:10:24 THIS WAS SELECTED AND I WAS A PART OF IT, SO THAT WAS OUR
10:10:28 SAMPLE THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
10:10:31 I WOULD BE THRILLED, OF COURSE, A RANDOMIZED SAMPLE IS
10:10:36 THE BEST.
10:10:36 AND THAT'S THE GOAL.
10:10:38 HOWEVER, TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, BECAUSE I THINK I KNOW
10:10:40 WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, I WANTED TO SEE HOW GENERALIZABLE
10:10:45 SOME OF THESE PERCEPTIONS WERE ACROSS DIFFERENT GROUPS.
10:10:48 I JUST SO HAPPENED THROUGH LUCK TO HAVE DONE A SURVEY
10:10:53 THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE HAD DONE WITH
10:10:56 THE TASK FORCE, WITH USF UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS.
10:11:00 THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY ALSO NOT A RANDOM SELECTION OF
10:11:03 COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT THEY ARE JUST OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
10:11:06 COMMUNITY AND REPRESENT DIFFERENT GROUP.
10:11:11 THERE WERE VERY FEW STATISTICAL DIFFERENCES.
10:11:17 I THINK THAT HELPS WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
10:11:19 RESEARCH FINDINGS, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT VALIDITY AND
10:11:22 GENERALIZABILITY.
10:11:23 AND IN TERMS OF HOW GENERALIZABLE THE FINDINGS WERE, I
10:11:27 THINK THAT HELPS SUPPORT IT.
10:11:29 BUT IF FUNDING WERE AVAILABLE, I WOULD BE VERY THRILLED
10:11:32 TO DO A RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIAL, IF YOU EVER WANTED
10:11:35 THAT.
10:11:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE YOU HITTING IT ON THE
10:11:41 NAIL HEAD.
10:11:42 I'M GLAD THAT YOU DID WHAT YOU DID, AND IT IS THE BEST
10:11:45 AVAILABLE THROUGH THE SUMMER UNDER THIS QUICK PROCESS
10:11:54 THAT WE'VE BEEN IN.
10:11:55 I THINK FROM A SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE, I HOPE THAT THE
10:12:04 CITY DEFINITELY CAN FUND A MORE SCIENTIFIC STUDY AND
10:12:10 RANDOM QUESTIONS TO THE RANDOM COMMUNITY.
10:12:15 I THINK INHERENTLY IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAD A MORE EDUCATED,
10:12:24 PROBABLY HIGHER SOCIOECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHIC AT THE SATURDAY
10:12:29 MORNING EVENT, AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY WITH YOUR USF COLLEGE
10:12:34 STUDENTS THAN WE MIGHT OTHERWISE.
10:12:37 SO THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
10:12:40 THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
10:12:41 QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS, LATER IN THE PROGRAM, THE CHIEF
10:12:45 AND HIS STAFF ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY
10:12:51 WITHIN TPD, AND CHIEF BENNETT -- EXCUSE ME, CHIEF DUGAN,
10:12:55 I APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THE LAST TEN YEARS OF
10:13:01 INFORMATION.
10:13:02 WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LAST TEN YEARS OF INFORMATION, IT
10:13:05 LOOKS LIKE AS OF 2010, WE GOT TO A POINT OF BASICALLY 69%
10:13:12 WHITE, 14% BLACK, AND 14% HISPANIC.
10:13:16 AND THEN 20 YEARS LATER OR TEN YEARS LATER IN 2020, WE'RE
10:13:21 AT 68% WHITE, 12% BLACK, AND 17% HISPANIC.
10:13:27 THAT'S TOTAL OFFICERS AT TPD.
10:13:31 SO WE'RE SORT OF STATIC IN TERMS OF OUR DIVERSITY, EVEN
10:13:36 THOUGH THE POPULATION OF TAMPA IS 45% WHITE, 24% BLACK
10:13:41 AND 26% HISPANIC.
10:13:43 AND WE'VE NOW -- 400,000 PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE PLANNING
10:13:48 COMMISSION.
10:13:48 ANYWAY, MY QUESTION, DR. FOX IS GENERALLY, NOT RELATED TO
10:13:55 TAMPA, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A VERY GENERAL BROAD
10:13:59 QUESTION, HAS IT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN OR DO YOU SEE
10:14:05 BENEFITS TO DIVERSITY IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT SHOULD
10:14:08 REFLECT THE COMMUNITY, NUMBER ONE?
10:14:11 AND NUMBER TWO, HOW DO WE GET THERE?
10:14:14 HOW DO WE IMPROVE OR DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON
10:14:18 IMPROVING THOSE NUMBERS IF YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
10:14:20 WE DO IMPROVE THEM?
10:14:23 >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AND I THINK ONE OF THE KEY --
10:14:28 I DID ACTUALLY ADDRESS THIS AS ONE OF MY FINDINGS.
10:14:31 I THINK HAVING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REPRESENT OUR
10:14:34 COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO STRIVE TOWARDS.
10:14:37 ONE WAY THAT WE CAN TRY TO DO THIS, AND I THINK SOME OF
10:14:39 THESE ARE ALREADY --
10:14:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME STOP YOU THERE.
10:14:42 WHY DO YOU ARE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT?
10:14:45 I DIDN'T SEE IT AS ONE OF YOUR FINDINGS, BUT I APPRECIATE
10:14:48 IT IF IT IS.
10:14:51 >> YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS IS IT TOUCHES THE
10:14:54 COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING.
10:14:56 I THINK UNDER THAT BULLET POINT WHERE I SPOKE ABOUT THIS
10:14:59 SPECIFIC FINDING.
10:15:00 AND THE REASON IS THAT IF SOMEBODY GROWS UP IN THAT
10:15:05 COMMUNITY, THERE IS A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT
10:15:09 -- WHAT THE DYNAMICS ARE LIKE, THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE
10:15:12 CULTURE OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LIKE,
10:15:15 UNDERSTANDING OF CITY.
10:15:17 SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS TO HAVING
10:15:21 PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM THE COMMUNITY, LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY,
10:15:24 REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.
10:15:24 SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY THERE ARE DRAWBACKS, BUT I THINK NOT
10:15:29 IN TERMS OF DIVERSITY, BUT IN TERMS OF LIVING AND WORKING
10:15:33 IN THE SAME AREA, BUT I THINK OVERALL, THERE HAVE BEEN
10:15:36 SOME ATTEMPTS TO DO THIS HERE IN TAMPA.
10:15:39 I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND
10:15:41 THE POLICE ACADEMY.
10:15:42 PEOPLE GET SPONSORED FROM DIFFERENT AREAS TO GO THROUGH
10:15:47 THE ACADEMY AND TO GO THROUGH -- TO GET A COLLEGE DEGREE
10:15:52 AND THEN TO JOIN THE FORCE.
10:15:54 I THINK THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS, IF WE WANT TO DO THEM,
10:15:58 A LOT OF THEM COST MONEY.
10:15:59 SO I THINK THAT SPOKE TO THE LAST ITEM IN TERMS OF
10:16:02 FUNDING.
10:16:03 IF THESE ARE GOALS, WE MAY HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM BY
10:16:07 ENHANCING, BY INCENTIVIZING OFFICERS TO LIVE IN CERTAIN
10:16:10 AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY, BY INCENTIVIZING MEMBERS FROM
10:16:14 THAT COMMUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE ACADEMY AND TO THEN WANT
10:16:18 TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND TO GET THEM
10:16:21 THROUGH THE TEAM ACADEMY AND TO HAVE THEM BE PART OF
10:16:26 DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT ARE KIND OF THE PATHWAY INTO THE
10:16:30 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:16:31 I THINK IT'S A LONG-TERM THING.
10:16:33 NOT JUST SOMETHING WE CAN DO OVERNIGHT, BUT SETTING THE
10:16:36 FOUNDATION UP WOULD BE PHENOMENAL.
10:16:38 AND I THINK WILL END UP, LIKE WITH MOST THINGS, THEY ARE
10:16:42 ALL GREAT GOALS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT BOTH
10:16:46 SUSTAINED EFFORT AND POTENTIALLY, I REALLY THINK WE NEED
10:16:49 TO PUT FUNDING TOWARD THEM AS WELL.
10:16:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:16:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER IS COUNCILMAN CARLSON
10:16:59 AND COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
10:17:03 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
10:17:04 FROM WHAT I HEARD ANECDOTALLY, NOT SCIENTIFICALLY, WAS
10:17:12 THAT COMMUNITY SEEMED TO REALLY LIKE THE SUGGESTIONS YOU
10:17:15 MADE.
10:17:15 AND I KNOW THE MAYOR WAS ON THE VIDEO WITH YOU AND WAS
10:17:22 LISTENING INTENTLY.
10:17:24 THE FOLLOW-UP CHATTER WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY IS SKEPTICAL
10:17:29 ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY, EITHER THE MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL
10:17:32 WILL IMPLEMENT ALL OF YOUR FINDINGS.
10:17:35 I WONDER IF YOU HAVE ANY SENSE AS TO HOW MUCH OF WHAT YOU
10:17:39 RECOMMENDED THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WILL IMPLEMENT AND ARE
10:17:44 THERE ANY PARTS OF YOUR FINDINGS THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD
10:17:46 PUT INTO ORDINANCE.
10:17:51 >> I NEGLECTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS DURING MY TALK, SO I
10:17:54 APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
10:17:55 ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS FOR ME WAS AT THE END OF THAT
10:18:00 PRESENTATION, I THINK IT WAS ON AUGUST 29, BOTH MAYOR
10:18:03 CASTOR AND CHIEF DUGAN IMMEDIATELY SAID, YES, WE PLAN TO
10:18:09 IMPLEMENT ALL OF THESE, AND THEY SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF I
10:18:12 WOULD WORK WITH THEM TO BOTH IMPLEMENT, OVERSEE AND
10:18:17 EVALUATE IT.
10:18:18 SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN, AGAIN, FUNDING IS ALWAYS A
10:18:23 CHALLENGE.
10:18:24 HOWEVER, BIG ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING
10:18:28 THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS AND THE TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING HAVE
10:18:32 HELPED TO FUND THIS EFFORT.
10:18:34 THIS WOULD BE A LONG AND VERY TIME-CONSUMING PROCESS.
10:18:39 THERE ARE 17 DIFFERENT THINGS.
10:18:41 SO TO DO THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY TAKE A LOT OF ENERGY AND
10:18:45 FUNDING.
10:18:46 SO THEY HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED TO HELP.
10:18:49 OBVIOUSLY, THE MORE THAT WE COULD GET, I THINK EITHER THE
10:18:53 LONGER WE COULD DO FOLLOW-UP OR WE COULD HAVE MORE
10:18:56 RESOURCES TO DO THIS.
10:18:57 HOWEVER, IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY AND BEING ABLE TO WORK
10:19:02 WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD I CAN
10:19:07 HAVE ACCESS TO IF I WANT TO GO ON RIDE-ALONGS, I CAN DO
10:19:11 THAT.
10:19:12 IF I WANT TO SPEAK WITH OFFICERS, CAN I DO THAT.
10:19:16 IF I WANT TO SPEAK TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I CAN DO THAT.
10:19:20 IF I WANT TO SIT IN ON DIFFERENT TRAININGS, I CAN DO
10:19:24 THAT.
10:19:24 FOR ME, HAVING THAT LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AND TO GO IN
10:19:26 AND BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY HOW THESE PROGRAMS ARE BEING
10:19:30 IMPLEMENTED.
10:19:32 THE DEGREE AND NATURE OF IT AGAIN IS PHENOMENAL FOR ME,
10:19:35 NOT ONLY AS A RESEARCHER, BUT ALSO A COMMUNITY MEMBER.
10:19:39 AND THEN IN TERMS OF EVALUATIONS, DOING PROGRAM
10:19:44 EVALUATIONS AND SCIENTIFIC METHODOLOGY IS MY BACKGROUND.
10:19:47 IT'S WHAT I'VE DONE WITH OTHER AGENCIES.
10:19:50 FOR TWO IN PARTICULAR, I SPECIFICALLY ASKED, PROCEDURAL
10:19:54 JUSTICE TRAINING AND DE-ESCALATION TRAINING IF WE COULD
10:19:57 DO FULL SCIENTIFIC EVALUATIONS OF THEM.
10:20:00 AGAIN, THESE ARE EXPENSIVE, BUT AGAIN, THE ANSWER WAS
10:20:06 YES.
10:20:07 FOR ME, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET ALL OUR DUCKS IN A ROW TO
10:20:10 MAKE THAT FEASIBLE.
10:20:11 BUT IN TERMS OF FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT SIDE AND FROM
10:20:15 THE MAYOR, THERE WAS NEVER ANY QUESTION IN TERMS OF
10:20:17 WHETHER I WOULD BE ABLE TO.
10:20:19 I THINK IT IS MAKING THE LOGISTICS ALIGN TO MAKE SURE
10:20:22 THAT I'M FULLY ABLE TO DO SO.
10:20:25 I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S EVEN A CONCERN ON THAT FRONT.
10:20:32 >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WE SHOULD
10:20:34 IMPLEMENT AS A CITY COUNCIL, JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS,
10:20:37 THE WAY THE CHARTER IS SET UP, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, REGULATING
10:20:40 THE POLICE IS A CONTROL THE MAYOR HAS, NOT CITY COUNCIL,
10:20:43 BUT CITY COUNCIL CAN PASS ORDINANCES.
10:20:45 SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU, AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR PROCESS
10:20:48 IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD PUT INTO ORDINANCE
10:20:51 THAT IS COMPARABLE TO OTHER CITIES, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
10:20:56 ONE FINAL PIECE OF THIS, THE CITY WAS CRITICIZED WIDELY
10:21:00 SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY
10:21:02 SPECIFIC CASE, BUT WHERE THE SOCIAL MEDIA OR
10:21:08 COMMUNICATION SIDE OF THE POLICE, OFFICIAL OFFICERS
10:21:16 ENFORCING THE LAW, WHERE THINGS WERE POSTED ON SOCIAL
10:21:19 MEDIA THAT, QUOTE, UNQUOTE -- MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FELT
10:21:28 SOCIAL MEDIA WAS USED LIKE A POLITICAL WEAPON AGAINST THE
10:21:30 PUBLIC.
10:21:31 DID YOU LOOK AT THAT IN YOUR STUDY?
10:21:34 IS THERE ANY KIND OF BENCHMARK POLICIES THAT EITHER
10:21:38 COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR SHOULD PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT?
10:21:42 >> TECHNOLOGY AND SOCIAL MEDIA IS ONE OF THE PILLARS, SO
10:21:45 WE DID LOOK EXTENSIVELY AND TALKED TO THE COMMUNITY
10:21:49 MEMBERS ABOUT THIS.
10:21:49 ON THE SPECIFIC CONCERN YOU RAISED WAS NOT BROUGHT UP TO
10:21:56 ME.
10:21:57 HOWEVER, WE DID CONSISTENTLY HEAR THAT SOCIAL MEDIA, THEY
10:22:02 FELT LIKE THEY WANTED IT TO BE MORE DIALOGIC IN TERMS OF
10:22:08 COMMUNICATION, SO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COULD FEEL
10:22:10 LIKE THEY ARE GETTING INFORMATION, BUT THEY COULD ALSO
10:22:12 ENGAGE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY
10:22:17 HAVE IT BE A COMMUNICATION SHARING TOOL, BUT ALSO FEEL
10:22:23 LIKE THERE IS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, LIKE WE ARE ALL IN
10:22:26 THIS TOGETHER AND FOLLOWING THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
10:22:29 IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT POSTING WHEN CERTAIN INCIDENTS
10:22:32 HAPPEN, BUT IT'S JUST ABOUT, WELL, THERE ARE DIFFERENT
10:22:35 PROGRAMS AND THINGS GOING ON THAT PEOPLE, FRANKLY, DON'T
10:22:39 KNOW ABOUT.
10:22:40 THEY FELT VERY STRONGLY ABOUT USING SOCIAL MEDIA AS A
10:22:43 TOOL FOR THAT TO INFORM THEM, FOR TRANSPARENCY, AND THEN,
10:22:47 OF COURSE, FOR COMMUNICATION WAS A STRONG CONCERN.
10:22:51 IN TERMS OF AN ORDINANCE, I WOULD HAVE TO -- I'M NOT A
10:22:55 LAWYER, SO I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT I
10:23:00 APPRECIATE THE OFFER VERY, VERY MUCH.
10:23:01 I WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT
10:23:04 THESE OFFERS.
10:23:05 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:23:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:23:07 NEXT UP WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER GUDES.
10:23:10 DO ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO SPEAK AFTER COUNCIL
10:23:13 MEMBER GUDES?
10:23:14 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA, IF I MAY, JUST BRIEFLY, IF I MAY,
10:23:17 SIR.
10:23:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
10:23:18 AFTER COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:23:20 GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:23:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
10:23:23 LEADERSHIP THIS MORNING, AS ALWAYS.
10:23:25 MS. FOX, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
10:23:30 I MUST SAY THAT KNOWLEDGE IN BOOKS AND WORKING IN THE
10:23:35 FIELD ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AT TIMES.
10:23:37 AND I LIKE SOME OF THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
10:23:40 I THINK IT'S A PROGRESSIVE MOVE.
10:23:44 WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR PILLARS, THEY STAND OUT TO ME
10:23:48 CLEARLY.
10:23:49 A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN IN THE TRENCHES AND UNDERSTANDS
10:23:52 POLICING, WHO UNDERSTANDS COMMUNITIES, THESE PROBLEMS ARE
10:23:56 INSTITUTIONAL.
10:23:58 AND UNTIL YOU CHANGE THE INSTITUTIONAL MIND-SET, YOU'LL
10:24:04 CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE KIND OF ISSUES.
10:24:06 I COMMEND MAYOR FREEDMAN, SHE PUT A PROGRAM IN PLACE TO
10:24:11 ATTEMPT TO HIRE 101 AFRICAN AMERICANS ON THE POLICE
10:24:15 DEPARTMENT WHEN I FIRST CAME ON IN '89, '90.
10:24:20 MOST OF THE GENTLEMEN I CAME IN RETIRED, BUSINESS OWNERS,
10:24:23 GONE ON TO HIGHER EDUCATION AND SO FORTH.
10:24:26 THE PROBLEM WITH POLICE INSTITUTIONS IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE,
10:24:30 AGAIN, FUNDING IS ONE ISSUE BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GOAL
10:24:34 SET TO SAY WE'LL HAVE A RECRUITING BUDGET TO RECRUIT.
10:24:37 YOUR NUMBERS ARE LOW.
10:24:38 WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHICH I ALREADY KNEW WHAT THE
10:24:41 NUMBERS WERE ALREADY.
10:24:42 THEY ARE LOW AND THEY HAVE BEEN LOW A LONG TIME.
10:24:44 THEY WERE LOW WHEN I FIRST CAME ON.
10:24:47 CAME UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN DIPPED AGAIN.
10:24:50 YOU TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING.
10:24:52 THAT IS THE PILLAR OF IT ALL.
10:24:54 IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE COMMUNITY, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
10:24:58 I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A YOUNG GUY WITH -- SQUADS, THE
10:25:04 SQUAD WAS DIVERSE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
10:25:07 AND WE HAD -- SOMETHING WENT WRONG, WE WERE THERE.
10:25:10 WE KNEW THE PLAYERS.
10:25:12 WE COULD GET THINGS MOVING, GET THINGS SOLVED.
10:25:16 THE COMMUNITY WAS ENGAGED.
10:25:19 POLICE EVOLVED AND CHANGED AND WENT TO A DIFFERENT STYLE.
10:25:23 IT HAPPENS.
10:25:25 YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING WITH CLOTHES, '70s AND '60s,
10:25:30 THOSE THINGS COME BACK.
10:25:31 THEY COME BACK.
10:25:32 I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT AND BE ENGAGED IN
10:25:35 MORE OF A COMMUNITY-BASED POLICE STYLE, DEALING WITH THE
10:25:39 PUBLIC.
10:25:39 WHEN I CAME ON AS YOUNG BOY, I CAN REMEMBER THE CHIEF OF
10:25:44 STAFF, JOHN BENNETT, WE USED TO WORK AT THE WINN DIXIE AT
10:25:48 4TH AND HILLSBOROUGH.
10:25:48 SEE JOHN WORKING THERE, TALK WITH HIM.
10:25:48 BUT A GUY BY THE NAME OF DENSMORE --
10:25:56 THOSE GUYS COME THROUGH AND HAVE CONVERSATION, TALKED.
10:26:01 UNDERSTOOD THE COMMUNITY.
10:26:02 THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM IN
10:26:06 PLACE TO WHERE ALL OF US COMING ON OR WHILE IN THE
10:26:10 ACADEMY, THEY ARE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY THEN TO
10:26:13 UNDERSTAND.
10:26:13 IF YOU'RE LIVING IN AVILA, LIVING IN AN AREA WHERE NEVER
10:26:17 ACCUSTOMED TO DEALING WITH OTHER CULTURES, OTHER RACES
10:26:21 THEN YOU ARE BIASED, YOU ARE BLIND BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN
10:26:24 TOLD DISPARAGING THINGS ABOUT THOSE GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
10:26:27 YOU HAVE TO BE ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS TO UNDERSTAND.
10:26:30 SO WHAT I WOULD SAY WITH YOUR WORK AND YOUR CONTINUED
10:26:33 WORK, LOOK INSIDE THE INSTITUTION.
10:26:36 LOOK AT DIVERSITY INSIDE THE INSTITUTION.
10:26:39 IT'S NOT JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:26:42 I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF ABOUT THE FIRE
10:26:43 DEPARTMENT.
10:26:44 I'M VERY DISTURBED ABOUT THAT AS WELL WITH THE NUMBERS.
10:26:47 ONE, ONE AND A HALF AFRICAN AMERICANS IN A CLASS.
10:26:51 THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS FOR A CITY OF OUR SIZE.
10:26:54 I'M VERY DISTURBED ABOUT THAT.
10:26:56 IT'S NOT JUST POLICE.
10:26:57 IT'S FIRE, TOO.
10:26:58 WHEN CHIEF FORD WAS HERE, HE HAD A PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE
10:27:00 THE NUMBERS WERE RISING LIKE CRAZY.
10:27:02 MOST AFRICAN AMERICANS SEEN ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:27:10 POLICE OFFICER, WOW, PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE ME.
10:27:14 GO OUTSIDE TO FIND THE ATHLETES, THOSE FOLKS THAT DIDN'T
10:27:17 MAKE IT IN THE CAREER CHOICE THEY WANTED.
10:27:19 HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
10:27:20 MAKE DECENT MONEY, BE A STEWARD TO THE COMMUNITY AND WORK
10:27:25 HARD FOR RELATIONSHIPS.
10:27:27 IT'S HARD TO GET OUTSIDE FOLKS TO COME IN THE CITY TO
10:27:29 WORK.
10:27:30 YOU'RE RIGHT.
10:27:31 YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE BETTER HOUSING, BETTER OPPORTUNITIES.
10:27:39 THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF BEING ON THE GROUND
10:27:41 AND KNOWING WHAT GOES ON.
10:27:43 THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
10:27:45 YOU HAVE TO BE INSIDE THE HOUSE TO UNDERSTAND THE HOUSE.
10:27:47 YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROMOTIONS THAT
10:27:49 THEY ARE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD.
10:27:51 THESE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT ARE INTERNAL.
10:27:53 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS INTERNAL, YOU'LL NEVER FIX
10:27:58 ALL OF IT.
10:27:59 YOU'LL HAVE SOME BIASES, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
10:28:01 INSTITUTION AS A WHOLE.
10:28:02 ONCE YOU LOOK AT THAT YOU CAN REALLY BE ABLE TO BREAK
10:28:05 SOME OF THE FOUNDATION DOWN INTO A NEW MOLD AND START
10:28:09 MOVING FORWARD.
10:28:10 COMMUNITY POLICING IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS OF MOVING ON.
10:28:13 I KNOW WE HAVE SHORT TIME.
10:28:15 I WON'T BELABOR.
10:28:17 NEED TO LOOK AT THE INSTITUTION ITSELF INSIDE.
10:28:19 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, DR. FOX.
10:28:31 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:28:35 THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR YOUR HARD WORK, YOUR PRESENTATION.
10:28:38 I KNOW IT IS PREDICATED UPON MANY, MANY, MANY HOURS OF
10:28:42 WORK, DEDICATION, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
10:28:46 THERE'S A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
10:28:50 ADDRESSED HERE.
10:28:51 I NOTICE I SPEAK FOR ALL OF US WHEN I SAY CONTINUE FOR
10:28:56 OUR COLLEAGUES, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WHO I RESPECT A LOT.
10:28:59 AND I THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR YOUR WORK, AS WELL
10:29:02 AS YOUR SERVICE, AND JUST YOU'RE SPEAKING FROM THE HEART
10:29:05 ON YOUR ROUGHLY 30 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH TPD.
10:29:09 I APPRECIATE THAT.
10:29:11 DIVERSITY IS VERY IMPORTANT, TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT
10:29:16 TEAM THAT CONTINUES TO MAKE STRIDES AND LOOKING LIKE A
10:29:18 COMMUNITY THAT THOSE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SERVE.
10:29:23 THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY RACE AND ETHNICITY BUT GENDER AND
10:29:28 RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
10:29:29 I WANT TO MENTION THAT IN NEW TAMPA, AN AREA IN OUR CITY
10:29:33 IN MY DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE MOST RELIGIOUSLY DIVERSE
10:29:37 AREAS, HOME TO A LOT OF SIKHS, MUSLIMS, HINDUS,
10:29:41 ET CETERA.
10:29:41 I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT.
10:29:44 ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT'S BEEN
10:29:46 ADDRESSED IN THE REPORT AS WELL AS MANY AREAS IS POLICE
10:29:49 OFFICERS LIVING WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
10:29:51 I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- I CAN PRIVATELY INQUIRE IN THAT
10:29:56 REGARD, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US
10:30:00 PROCESS ON MORE OFFICERS LIVING WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
10:30:03 I BELIEVE -- AND I COULD BE WRONG -- STATISTICS SHOW IT'S
10:30:06 LESS THAN ONE IN FIVE OF POLICE OFFICERS LIVING WITHIN
10:30:08 CITY LIMITS.
10:30:10 THIS IS IMPORTANT.
10:30:11 I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MONETARY INCENTIVES FOR OFFICERS TO
10:30:15 LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
10:30:17 I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
10:30:19 AND IN OVERALL FAIRNESS THAT I CONTINUE TO GET FROM THIS
10:30:22 REPORT, AND MANY REPORTS, IS THAT CHANGE -- AND I HAVE
10:30:26 SAID THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN, CHANGE REQUIRES MORE MONEY.
10:30:30 CHANGE REQUIRES MORE MONEY.
10:30:32 COMMUNITY POLICING REQUIRES MONEY.
10:30:34 AND MORE TRAINING AND HIGHER STANDARDS REQUIRE MORE
10:30:39 MONEY.
10:30:40 IMPLICIT BIAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING UP SOON
10:30:45 TRAINING REQUIRES MORE MONEY.
10:30:47 IF I HAVE A HOUSE AND I WANT IMPROVEMENTS, SOLAR PANELS,
10:30:50 BETTER ROOF, PLUMBING, IT'S GOING TO COST ME MONEY.
10:30:53 SO CHANGE REQUIRES NOT ONLY EFFORTS BUT MORE MONEY.
10:30:56 I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PRINCIPLE.
10:30:59 I AM REMINDED OF MY SUNDAY SCHOOL DAYS FROM THE BOOK OF
10:31:02 EXODUS, I BELIEVE IT WAS, WHERE CAN'T BUILD BRICKS
10:31:08 WITHOUT STRAW.
10:31:09 JUST LIKE YOU CAN'T BUILD BRICKS WITHOUT STRAW, YOU CAN'T
10:31:12 AGREEMENT POSITIVE CHANGE AND PROGRESS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT
10:31:15 WITHOUT MORE MONEY.
10:31:16 AND I THINK THAT'S A NARRATIVE THAT WE ARE SEEING IN SOME
10:31:20 OF THESE REPORTS THAT ARE PUSHING FOR POSITIVE CHANGE.
10:31:25 SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REMARKS, MA'AM,
10:31:28 FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
10:31:30 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:31:31 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
10:31:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:31:36 IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS,
10:31:40 AT THIS TIME, ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
10:31:45 ALL RIGHT.
10:31:46 I HEAR NONE.
10:31:47 MS. GRIMES, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?
10:31:54 >> MR. CHAIR, ACTUALLY HADN'T FINISHED THE PRESENTATION
10:31:58 SO WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT.
10:31:59 IT'S ON TPD POLICY AND PERFORMANCE, AND AS A PART OF THAT
10:32:03 I WILL CONTINUE WITH DR. FOX'S REMARKS ABOUT EIGHT CAN'T
10:32:08 WAIT.
10:32:09 IN JUNE THE COUNCIL ASKED FOR -- OBVIOUSLY IN JUNE IT WAS
10:32:13 HIGHLIGHTED THAT THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT INITIATIVES WERE
10:32:16 OUT THERE, AND THAT IS A PART OF INITIATIVES THAT
10:32:19 DEVELOPED FROM THE 21st CENTURY POLICING MODEL.
10:32:23 THE REPORT THAT DR. FOX TALKED ABOUT IN 2013.
10:32:27 THE REPORT THAT YOU ASKED FOR ASKED ME TO DO A COMPARISON
10:32:29 OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICIES, AND THE AID CAN'T WAIT
10:32:35 INITIATIVE, AND THE FLYBACK BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN IS
10:32:39 SHOWING THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT MEETS ALL OF THE
10:32:46 EIGHT INITIATIVES FOR THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT.
10:32:50 BUT ALTHOUGH THE CITY OF TAMPA OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:32:52 HAS BEEN TRAINING IN DEESCALATION, SCENARIO BASED
10:32:55 TRAINING, NOT JUST BLACK AND WHITE TEST BUG ACTUALLY
10:32:58 PUTTING THE OFFICERS IN THOSE SCENARIOS THAT THEY MAY
10:33:01 FACE IN REAL LIFE AND GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO
10:33:03 DEESCALATE IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THE DEPARTMENT WENT
10:33:07 FURTHER, AND AS A PART OF WHAT DR. FOX WAS SPEAKING TO
10:33:11 EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINING OFFICERS IN THAT
10:33:13 SINCE 2014, THE DEPARTMENT DID IMPLEMENT WRITTEN POLICIES
10:33:25 INCORPORATING THE DEESCALATION WHENEVER POSSIBLE, WHEN
10:33:26 IT'S FEASIBLE, INTO STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE 538
10:33:27 UNTIL NOW IT'S ACTUALLY IN WRITING, REINFORCING THAT
10:33:30 DEPARTMENT IN ITS TRAINING AND ALL OF ITS FOLLOW THROUGH
10:33:34 AND ITS POLICIES, IS DEDICATED TO DEESCALATING, TRAINING
10:33:38 OFFICERS IN DEESCALATION.
10:33:41 ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS ALTHOUGH THE DEPARTMENT IN 2014
10:33:44 BANNED SHOOTING AT VEHICLES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE EIGHT
10:33:49 CAN'T WAIT INITIATIVES, THE DEPARTMENT TOOK A STEP
10:33:51 FURTHER TO STRENGTHEN ITS POLICY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE
10:33:54 WERE NO QUOTE-UNQUOTE LOOPHOLES, AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS
10:33:57 AFFIRMATIVELY ASKED OFFICERS TO NOT SHOOT AT VEHICLES FOR
10:34:01 THE PURPOSE OF DISABLING IT, AND HAS GONE EVEN FURTHER TO
10:34:04 ASK OFFICERS TO MAKE EVERY EFFORTS TO MOVE OUT OF THE
10:34:06 PATH OF A MOVING VEHICLE, WHICH AS SHOWN IN THE MEDIA,
10:34:19 USUALLY AN OFFICER STANDING IN THE WAY IS WHAT PROVOKES
10:34:23 RESPONSE OF DEADLY FORCE AND OUR DEPARTMENT IS ASKING
10:34:26 OFFICERS TO MAKE EVERY EFFORTS TO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN THE
10:34:28 PATH OF A VEHICLE, AND IF YOU ARE IN THE PATH OF A
10:34:30 VEHICLE TO MAKE EVERY EFFORTS TO MOVE OUT OF THE PATH.
10:34:36 TO FOLLOW UP ON DR. FOX'S INFORMATION ABOUT OUR POLICIES
10:34:41 BEING PROGRESSIVE AND OUR DEPARTMENT WANTED TO DO ALL
10:34:44 THAT WE CAN TO DO BETTER, THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT INITIATIVE
10:34:50 ALSO INCLUDES ELEVEN OF THE JURISDICTIONS IN THE STATE OF
10:34:55 FLORIDA, AND THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THE ONLY
10:34:57 JURISDICTION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS MET ALL
10:35:01 EIGHT OF THE EIGHT CAN'T WAIT INITIATIVES AND THAT'S ON
10:35:03 YOUR SCREEN NOW.
10:35:05 SO TAMPA HAS MET EVERY SINGLE ONE AND THAT WE HAVE MADE
10:35:08 AN AFFIRMATIVE POLICY DECISION IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE
10:35:17 FOLLOW THESE INITIATIVES TO MAKE US A BETTER POLICE
10:35:19 DEPARTMENT, AND OBVIOUSLY HOPEFULLY TO HAVE LESS
10:35:23 INCIDENCE, MAJOR INCIDENTS WHEN COMES TO USE OF FORCE OR
10:35:27 USE OF DEADLY FORCE.
10:35:28 >> THIS IS LEE BERCAW, ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS.
10:35:44 BACK IN THE LATE 90 AND EARLY 2000S, WAS OFTEN CENTERED
10:35:50 AROUND CRIME.
10:35:51 WHILE WE HAD A LOT GOING FOR THIS GREAT CITY OUR -- THIS
10:35:57 HAMPERED AND DELAYED OUR PROGRESS.
10:36:00 THE CHART IN FRONT OF YOU ILLUSTRATES THE TOTAL NUMBER OF
10:36:03 PART ONE CRIME IN COMPARISON WITH CITIES IN SIMILAR SIZE
10:36:06 TO TAMPA.
10:36:09 AS YOU CAN SEE TAMPA IS ON THE FAR LEFT AND THE RED BAR
10:36:12 ILLUSTRATES NEARLY 35,000 CRIMES IN 2003. IN COMPARISON
10:36:18 THE ONLY CITY WITH A HIGHER CRIME RATE IS ST. LOUIS.
10:36:21 THE GREEN BAR ILLUSTRATES 2008 FOR VIOLENCE IN 2013 AND
10:36:27 THE BLUE 2018.
10:36:29 AS YOU CAN SEE, BY 2018, TAMPA REDUCED THEIR CRIME BELOW
10:36:33 EVERY OTHER CITY ON THIS CHART AND WENT FROM HAVING ONE
10:36:37 OF THE HIGHEST CRIME RATES FOR A CITY ITS SIZE TO THE
10:36:40 LOWEST.
10:36:41 IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I WILL REVIEW THE PROCESS OF
10:36:44 HOW -- [RUSTLING PAPERS]
10:36:53 THIS GRAPH NARROWS OUR FOCUS ON THE TAMPA POLICE
10:36:56 DEPARTMENT. IN 2002 THERE WAS 35,380 VICTIMS OF PART ONE
10:37:02 CRIME.
10:37:03 PART ONE CRIME IS MURDER, SEXUAL BATTERY, ROBBERY,
10:37:07 AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, BURGLARY, LARCENY, GRAND THEFT AUTO
10:37:14 AND ARSON.
10:37:15 FROM 2002 TO 2019, NEARLY TWO DECADES, CRIME WAS REDUCED
10:37:20 BY NEARLY 77%.
10:37:26 SO WE WENT FROM HAVING 3,380 VICTIMS OF CRIME A YEAR TO
10:37:31 8,145 VICTIMS PER YEAR.
10:37:33 THAT'S 27,235 LESS VICTIMS IN JUST 2019.
10:37:40 AND AS YOU KNOW, BEING A VICTIM OF A CRIME IS A TRAUMATIC
10:37:48 EXPERIENCE WHICH WE AS A COMMUNITY ASPIRE TO --
10:37:54 TO A MORE SIMPLISTIC STATEMENT, AND TO BE ACTIONABLE,
10:37:58 INCLUSIVE AND ACCOUNTABLE.
10:38:04 WHEN I GUEST LECTURE AT COLLEGES AND USE. I ASK STUDENTS
10:38:07 IF THEY KNOW THEIR EMPLOYERS MISSION STATEMENT AND I AM
10:38:11 LUCKY IF AT LEAST ONE OF THEM RAISES THEIR HAND AND SAYS
10:38:14 THEY KNOW THEIR MISSION STATEMENT.
10:38:16 HOWEVER, AT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE OVERWHELMING
10:38:18 MAJORITY OF OUR OFFICERS KNOW AND UNDERSTAND OUR MISSION,
10:38:22 WHICH IS TO REDUCE CRIME AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE
10:38:26 THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP OF ALL CITIZENS.
10:38:30 FOR NEARLY TWO DECADES, OUR OFFICERS HAVE PERFORMED
10:38:33 EXEMPLARY AND ESTABLISHED OUTSTANDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH
10:38:36 OUR COMMUNITY TO COLLECTIVELY REDUCE CRIME BY 77%.
10:38:43 THIS ILLUSTRATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS BAR GRAPHS TO
10:38:51 CRIMES, BURGLARY, BURGLARY, AUTO BURGLARY, AUTO THEFT,
10:38:55 AND VIOLENT CRIME OR AGGRAVATED ASSAULT.
10:38:57 AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2002, 6200 OF OUR CITIZENS HAD THEIR
10:39:04 HOMES BROKEN INTO.
10:39:06 2334 WERE VICTIMS OF A ROBBERY.
10:39:10 AND NEARLY 5400 HAD THEIR VEHICLES BURGLARIZED.
10:39:15 OVER 6,720 VEHICLES WERE STOLEN, AND APPROXIMATELY 3,143
10:39:23 WERE VICTIMS OF AGGRAVATED ASSAULT.
10:39:25 THESE CRIMES TOTALED UP TO 23,866 VICTIMS.
10:39:31 THIS WAS UNACCEPTABLE AND HIGH PRESSURE TO BE IMPROVED.
10:39:35 SUBSEQUENTLY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT CHANGED ITS
10:39:37 STRATEGY AND DEVELOPED A NEW BUSINESS PLAN.
10:39:41 THE REVISED MISSION STATEMENT WAS ONLY THE FIRST PART OF
10:39:43 THIS PLAN.
10:39:45 YOU MAY RECALL OUR BUSINESS PLAN INCLUDED THE FOCUS ON
10:39:50 FOUR CONCEPTS.
10:39:52 AND IT MEANT WE FOCUSED ON FOUR CRIMES, BURGLARY, AUTO
10:39:57 BURGLARY, GRAND THEFT AUTO, ROBBERY.
10:40:00 HOWEVER, THE FOCUS ON FOUR ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED SEPARATE
10:40:04 PRINCIPLES.
10:40:05 THOSE PRINCIPLES ARE INTELLIGENCE, DATA DRIVEN APPROACH,
10:40:10 PROACTIVE AND PREVENTIVE POLICING, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,
10:40:14 PARTNERING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
10:40:17 INTELLIGENCE LED POLICING WAS TRACKING CRIMES AS THEY
10:40:21 OCCUR AND COLLABORATING BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.
10:40:24 AND UNDER THIS CATEGORY, THAT'S WHERE THAN THE BIG FOUR
10:40:27 CRIMES FOCUSED WHICH EVENTUALLY EVOLVED INTO THE BIG
10:40:30 FIVE.
10:40:31 UNDER DATA DRIVEN APPROACHES, THAT'S WHERE WE USED THE
10:40:34 DATA TO STRATEGICALLY ADJUST OUR DEPLOYMENT TO BE MOST
10:40:39 EFFECTIVE.
10:40:40 AND WE FOUND THAT IN DECENTRALIZING NUMEROUS DIFFERENT
10:40:43 SECTORS INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT.
10:40:46 PROACTIVE AND PREVENTIVE POLICING IS WHERE THE OFFICERS
10:40:48 BECAME MORE ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY, AND INCREASED
10:40:51 PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR OUR OFFICERS AND CITIZENS, FOOT
10:40:56 PATROLS, AND COMMUNITY ORIENTED POLICING, PROBLEM
10:40:59 SOLVING, AND ACTUALLY FOCUSING ON THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE
10:41:02 CRIME.
10:41:05 AND THE DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY WAS PART OF OUR MISSION
10:41:07 STATEMENT IN COLLABORATING THROUGH A VARIETY OF
10:41:09 TRADITIONAL AND NONTRADITIONAL PROGRAMS.
10:41:12 AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS IN A FUTURE
10:41:14 SLIDE.
10:41:18 WHEN WE UPDATE THIS BAR CHART FOR 2019 REDUCTION, YOU CAN
10:41:22 SEE BURGLARIES WERE REDUCED BY 84% OR ROUGHLY 5 LESS
10:41:28 BURGLARIES.
10:41:30 ROBBERIES WERE REDUCED BY 84% FROM 2334 PER YEAR TO LESS
10:41:35 THAN 300 PER YEAR.
10:41:37 AUTO BURGLARIES WERE REDUCED BY NEARLY 88%.
10:41:41 AUTO THEFT BY 90%.
10:41:43 AND VIOLENT CRIMES 68% WITH A TOTAL REDUCTION IN THESE
10:41:48 CRIMES BY NEARLY 85%.
10:41:50 SO IN 2002 THERE WERE 23,866 VICTIMS OF THESE CRIMES AND
10:41:57 IN 2019 THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS IS REDUCED TO BELOW 4500.
10:42:03 THIS REDUCTION IN CRIME RAISES A FOUNDATION FOR ECONOMIC
10:42:07 GROWTH AND PROSPERITY.
10:42:09 PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE TO OUR GREAT CITY TO LIVE, WORK AND
10:42:11 PLAY, AND TAMPA IS AN ECONOMIC HOT SPOT WHICH CAPITALIZES
10:42:15 ON THIS FOUNDATION.
10:42:16 THE HARDWORKING OFFICERS IN TAMPA ARE THE GREATEST IN THE
10:42:19 NATION, AND THE DATA SUPPORTS THEIR EFFORTS.
10:42:23 IN JUST THE LAST DECADE, CRIME IN TAMPA DROPPED 47.47%.
10:42:28 THE AVERAGE FOR THE STATE WIDE FLORIDA IS 37.8%.
10:42:34 AND THEN THE AVERAGE FOR MAJOR CITIES ACROSS THE NATION,
10:42:37 AND THOSE MAJOR CITIES WILL BE CITIES OVER 200,000, IS
10:42:40 DOWN 31.75%.
10:42:44 SO THE TAMPA CRIME RATE IS 18% LESS THAN THE STATEWIDE
10:42:48 AVERAGE, AND 52% LOWER THAN THE MAJOR CITY AVERAGE.
10:42:53 DURING THIS SAME TIME PERIOD, TAMPA'S ARREST RATE DROPPED
10:42:57 BY 63.4% COMPARED TO THE -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~] OF 41,
10:43:05 AND THE MAJOR CITY REDUCTION OF 40.7%.
10:43:10 THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE WORKING SMARTER
10:43:14 AND UTILIZING INTELLIGENCE TO INCREASE THEIR
10:43:16 EFFECTIVENESS.
10:43:18 YOUR OFFICERS ARE LASER FOCUSED IN ARRESTING LESS
10:43:22 INDIVIDUALS, REDUCING CRIME MORE EFFECTIVELY, AND MORE
10:43:27 OVER, OUR OFFICERS ARE SOLVING CRIMES AT A MUCH HIGHER
10:43:30 RATE.
10:43:31 FURTHERMORE, WHEN ARRESTS ARE REDUCED, THE RISK LEVEL
10:43:35 ONLY CONTINUES TO DECLINE.
10:43:37 TAMPA'S CRIME CLEARANCE RATE IS 32.8 PER 100 CASES OF ALL
10:43:44 SERIOUS CRIMES.
10:43:45 THE 2019 STATE WIDE AVERAGE IS 25.7 PER 100.
10:43:50 AND THE MAJOR CITIES RATE 15.7 PER 100.
10:43:54 SO AGAIN, YOUR OFFICERS ARE SOLVING MORE CRIMES, MAKING
10:43:58 LESS ARRESTS AND REDUCING CRIME AT A HIGHER RATE THAN THE
10:44:01 STATE WIDE AVERAGE IN THE MAJOR CITIES.
10:44:05 PART OF THIS PROCESS INCLUDES OUR PROACTIVE PROCEDURAL
10:44:08 JUSTICE APPROACH, TO ENSURING FAIRNESS AND TRANSPARENCY
10:44:12 IN OUR ACTIONS.
10:44:14 THIS INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO OUR COMMUNITY
10:44:16 ORIENTED PHILOSOPHY, OUR JUVENILE ARREST AVOIDANCE
10:44:20 PROGRAM, OUR ADULT PREARREST DIVERSION PROGRAM, AND OUR
10:44:23 MARIJUANA CIVIL CITATION PROGRAM.
10:44:27 AND IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW, TPD HAS A GOLDEN RULE
10:44:30 WHICH IS TREATING EVERYBODY WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT,
10:44:34 WHICH IS ENGRAINED IN OUR OFFICERS FROM DAY ONE.
10:44:39 THIS IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED WHILE RECEIVING OVER A MILLION
10:44:41 CALLS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE AND RESPONDING TO
10:44:45 APPROXIMATELY 600,000 CALLS IN JUST THE LAST YEAR.
10:44:50 [RUSTLING PAPERS]
10:44:53 WE FIRMLY BELIEVE OUR RELATIONS AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE
10:44:56 COMMUNITY IS THE RECIPE TO OUR SUCCESS.
10:45:00 OUR OFFICERS ROUTINELY ENGAGE IN AD HOC NONTRADITIONAL
10:45:03 LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY SUCH AS STOPPING AND TALKING TO
10:45:06 CHILDREN, AND PLAYING BASKETBALL, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE
10:45:10 JUST SHOWING THEM THEIR POLICE CAR.
10:45:13 OFFICERS ALSO ROUTINELY ENGAGE IN VOLUNTEER EVENTS,
10:45:17 ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY, IN ADDITION TO NONLAW
10:45:20 ENFORCEMENT EVENTS.
10:45:23 I'LL HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THOSE EVENTS.
10:45:26 ONE IS ADOPT A SCHOOL PROGRAM.
10:45:30 RECENTLY OFFICERS ADOPTED FOSTER ELEMENTARY AND THEY GO
10:45:33 OUT AND THEY MENTOR STUDENTS AT THAT SCHOOL.
10:45:36 WE HAVE CHIEF DUGAN'S COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PLAN, WHICH IS
10:45:40 PUTTING BAD MONEY TO GOOD USE IN USING $10,000 OF DRUG
10:45:46 FORFEITURE FUNDS THAT ARE INVESTED INTO FOUR LOCAL
10:45:50 ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN THE
10:45:51 COMMUNITY.
10:45:52 THE CHIEF HAS AN APPRECIATION NIGHT WHERE HE RECOGNIZES
10:45:55 COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
10:45:57 WE HAVE A COFFEE WITH A COP, WHICH I BELIEVE WE HAVE RAH
10:46:00 PICTURE OF THAT UP HERE.
10:46:02 THAT WE DO ON A REGULAR BASIS.
10:46:05 WE HAVE A STUDENT INTERN PROGRAM WHERE WE PROVIDE
10:46:07 OPPORTUNITIES FOR RECRUITMENT DEVELOPMENT AND
10:46:10 RELATIONSHIPS FOR FUTURE EMPLOYEES.
10:46:13 WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT BECAME REAL SUCCESSFUL DURING THE
10:46:17 COVID WAS THE DRIVE-BY, WHERE OFFICERS DRIVE BY AND DO A
10:46:23 SEMI PARADE WITH THEIR CARS.
10:46:25 VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY DURING THE PANDEMIC.
10:46:29 WE DO OUR DUI EDUCATION, AND ANOTHER POPULAR PROGRAM IS
10:46:33 OUR FRONT PORCH ROLL CALL, WHERE OFFICERS GO TO LOCATIONS
10:46:37 OF A RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS TO BUILD CLOSER RELATIONSHIP
10:46:39 WITH THE COMMUNITY.
10:46:42 OF COURSE, WE PARTICIPATE IN THE GREAT AMERICAN TEACH-IN.
10:46:45 AND AS YOU ALL KNOW WE HAVE OUR HOMELESS AFFAIRS LIAISON.
10:46:49 WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PROGRAM.
10:46:51 AND AN OPERATION TAG-IT PROGRAM.
10:46:54 THAT'S WHERE OFFICERS ACTUALLY GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND
10:46:57 THEY WALK AND TALK IN THE COMMUNITY TO PREVENT AUTO
10:46:59 BURGLARY.
10:47:01 WE HAVE OUR PAL BOXING PROGRAM FOR OUR POLICE ATHLETIC
10:47:08 LEAGUE, OFFERED FREE OF CHARGE FOR THOSE AGES 8 TO 18.
10:47:12 AND AS YOU ALTHOUGH, WE HAVE OUR RESOURCES COMMUNITY HELP
10:47:16 PROGRAM, A SAFE HAVEN FOR KID IN THE CITY, MOST
10:47:20 ECONOMICALLY CHALLENGED AREAS, WITH AN ON-SITE OFFICER
10:47:23 WHO SERVES AS A ROLE MODEL AND TUTOR AND LIAISON.
10:47:29 WE HAVE A RIDE-ALONG PROGRAM.
10:47:31 OUR STATE PLACE INITIATIVE.
10:47:33 OUR SUMMER PRESENTATIONS WHERE WE ENGAGE WITH THE
10:47:36 COMMUNITY AT PARKS AND REC SITES FOR OUR YOUTH.
10:47:40 WE HAVE OUR BLACK HISTORY CELEBRATION, OUR CITIZENS
10:47:43 ACADEMY, AND WE HAVE OUR YOUTH ACADEMY, OUR BEIGE AND
10:47:53 BLUE PROGRAM AND OUR BRIDGING THE GAP PROGRAM.
10:47:56 THERE'S TOO MANY TO LIST.
10:47:57 THIS IS JUST A HIGHLIGHT OF SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS.
10:48:00 AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, ONE OF OUR OFFICERS IS
10:48:03 MENTORING A YOUTH AND THE OTHER IS COFFEE WITH A COP
10:48:08 EVENT.
10:48:12 I WOULD LIKE TO CONCLUDE WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE
10:48:15 ADVANCED TRAINING OUR OFFICERS RECEIVE.
10:48:18 THIS PICTURE HIGHLIGHTS A SIMULATOR TRAINING WHICH IS
10:48:21 SCENARIO-BASED AND TEACHES THE OFFICER HOW TO VERBALLY
10:48:25 DEESCALATE THE SITUATION.
10:48:27 THE OFFICERS' RESPONSE AND ABILITY HAS DIRECT INFLUENCE
10:48:30 ON THE OUTCOME OF THIS SCENARIO.
10:48:32 IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND OUR CITIZENS ACADEMY,
10:48:35 WE WALK OUR GUESTS THROUGH THESE SCENARIOS.
10:48:38 BY THE CONCLUSION OF THE DEEMED, WE HAVE A PLETHORA OF
10:48:42 TESTIMONIALS WHO HAVE A NEW-FOUND APPRECIATION FOR WHAT
10:48:46 WE DO.
10:48:47 JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT WE RECEIVE,
10:48:51 OFFICERS WHEN THEY GO TO THE ACADEMY, RECEIVE OVER 770
10:48:55 HOURS OF TRAINING.
10:48:57 THEN ONCE THEY ARE HIRED, THEY REVIEW 360 HOURS OF
10:49:01 IN-HOUSE TRAINING BEFORE THEY GO OUT INTO THE FIELD WITH
10:49:05 THEIR TRAINING OFFICER, AT A MINIMUM 640 HOURS.
10:49:11 SO BEFORE THEY ARE SOLO, THEY HAVE 770 HOURS OF TRAINING.
10:49:17 IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES MEET
10:49:21 AND EXCEED FDLE MANDATORY REQUIREMENTS FOR IN-SERVICE
10:49:27 TRAINING.
10:49:29 AS YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, CITIZENS WILL NOT MOVE INTO
10:49:35 A CITY THAT IS NOT SAFE, AND TAMPA IS ONE OF THE FASTEST
10:49:38 GROWING CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES, AND PEOPLE WANT TO
10:49:40 MOVE TO TAMPA.
10:49:42 THE HARD WORK OF OUR OFFICERS IN CONCERT WITH OUR
10:49:45 COMMUNITY HAS LAID THE FOUNDATION.
10:49:47 POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE NATION HAVE COME AND
10:49:51 CONTINUE TO VISIT TAMPA TO SEE FIRST HAND HOW WE ACHIEVE
10:49:56 THIS SUCCESS.
10:49:57 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT THE
10:50:00 EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:50:02 OUR ORGANIZATION CONTINUES TO EVOLVE AND IMPROVE, AND WE
10:50:07 WELCOME THE FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM OUR COMMUNITY AS THEY
10:50:10 ARE ESSENTIAL PARTNERS IN OUR CONTINUED SUCCESS.
10:50:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:50:17 WHO IS PRESENTING NEXT?
10:50:18 >> THIS IS KIMBERLY HILL, TAMPA POLICE, SUPPORT SERVICES
10:50:26 DIVISION, WHICH HOUSES BOTH OF OUR PERSONNEL AND TRAINING
10:50:29 UNITS.
10:50:30 SO THIS MORNING I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SPEAKING WITH YOU
10:50:32 ALL ABOUT DIVERSITY AND RECRUITING AND LIKE COUNCILMAN
10:50:38 GUDES I AM VERY, VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
10:50:40 SO THE SLIDE UP RIGHT NOW IS OUR DEPARTMENT'S
10:50:43 DEMOGRAPHICS FOR THE LAST MONTH WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN
10:50:45 AUGUST 2020.
10:50:47 SO WE ARE UNIQUE IN THE FACT THAT WE TRACK DEMOGRAPHICS
10:50:50 ON A MONTHLY BASIS AS OPPOSED TO ANNUAL OR EVEN ONCE
10:50:53 EVERY TWO YEARS LIKE A LOT OF OTHER AGENCIES.
10:50:56 AND WE DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP TRACK
10:50:59 OF WHERE WE ARE AT AT ALL TIMES.
10:51:01 SO THAT WAY, WE KNOW WHERE WE NEED TO IMPROVE.
10:51:04 AND OUR GOAL IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO TRY TO MARRY THE
10:51:12 COMMUNITY SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE FACTS UP TO DATE.
10:51:14 WE ARE 42% EFFECTIVE CLASS.
10:51:17 SO THOUGH WE ARE ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE WE ALWAYS
10:51:19 STRIVE TO DO BETTER.
10:51:21 WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WE DETERMINE WHERE WE CAN MAKE
10:51:25 IMPROVEMENTS, AND FROM THERE WE CREATE INITIATIVES TO
10:51:28 HELP IMPROVE IN THOSE AREAS.
10:51:29 SO FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT WE
10:51:32 CURRENTLY OFFER, AND THEN IF I CAN GET INTO SOME OF THE
10:51:35 PROJECTS WE ARE WORKING ON, AND VERY EXCITED ABOUT.
10:51:39 I KNOW THAT MS. FOX AND CHIEF BERCAW KIND OF TOUCHED ON A
10:51:43 FEW OF THEM BUT THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS SOME OF THE EVENTS
10:51:47 WE PARTICIPATE IN AND THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON AN ANNUAL
10:51:49 BASIS.
10:51:52 RECENTLY I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND
10:51:54 DIFFERENT COMMITTEES WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS ON DIVERSITY
10:51:56 ISSUES, AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY, AND WHAT
10:52:00 I REALIZED FROM ALL OF THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS IN THE
10:52:02 GROUP IS THAT AT THE END OF THE SLIDE, YOU DON'T KNOW
10:52:06 WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW, RIGHT?
10:52:07 SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST NOT ACTUALLY AWARE OF SOME OF
10:52:10 THE PROGRAMS WE OFFER.
10:52:11 AND I WILL JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE QUICK EXAMPLES.
10:52:14 ONE OF MY LAST MEETINGS WAS WITH A GROUP OF PASTORS, AND
10:52:17 ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN BEGAN TALKING ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT OVER
10:52:22 THE SUMMER WE CAN GET A GROUP OF KID TOGETHER AND KIND OF
10:52:24 SHOW THEM WHAT YOU GUYS DO?
10:52:26 AND THE WHOLE TIME, I LET HIM FINISH HIS SENTENCE BECAUSE
10:52:30 I COULDN'T WAIT TO START IN AND TELL HIM WE ACTUALLY HAVE
10:52:32 A YOUTH ACADEMY, AND WE OFFER THAT YOUTH ACADEMY EVERY
10:52:35 SUMMER.
10:52:36 AND WHAT IT IS, WE BRING KID OUT FROM ALL OF OUR LOCAL
10:52:39 SCHOOLS, OUR SROs WORK WITH THEM AND WE KIND OF GIVE
10:52:42 THEM LIKE A MINI ACADEMY.
10:52:44 WE LET THEM DO DRIVING, THE SIMULATOR, TELL THEM ABOUT
10:52:49 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND AT THE END OF THAT ACADEMY
10:52:52 THEY GO HOME WITH A LAPTOP OR iPad AND A LOT OF KID
10:52:56 DON'T HAVE ONE SO THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL AT THE COMPLETION
10:52:58 OF THAT ACADEMY.
10:52:59 THEN ALSO, SOME PEOPLE, WHAT DOES THE CORES DO?
10:53:08 AND THEY LEARN ABOUT TRAFFIC LAWS, WE TEACH THEM ABOUT
10:53:12 OUR OWN DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
10:53:14 WE TEACH THEM HOW TO ADMINISTER FIRST AID, HOW TO HANDLE
10:53:19 CRIME, INCIDENTS SUCH AS TRAFFIC STOPS, DOMESTIC
10:53:23 VIOLENCE, SO THEY GO THROUGH DEFENSIVE TACTICS, THEY DO
10:53:26 RIDE-ALONGS.
10:53:28 AND YOU CAN START DOING THAT AT THE AGE OF 14 YEARS OLD.
10:53:31 I KNOW CHIEF BERCAW MENTIONED PAL, OUR POLICE ATHLETE
10:53:37 LEAGUE.
10:53:38 THEY DO READING, FOOTBALL, AND DURING SCHOOL, WE HAVE
10:53:42 OFFICERS THAT ACTUALLY GO OUT.
10:53:44 THEY HAVE LUNCH WITH KID ON DUTY.
10:53:46 THEY SPEND AN HOUR WITH THEM DOING HOMEWORK AND JUST
10:53:49 TALKING ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL WITH ALL OF THESE YOUTH.
10:53:54 YOU CAN GO AFTER SCHOOL.
10:53:55 WE HAVE ONE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS AND ROBLES PARK.
10:53:58 AFTER SCHOOL, THEY GO.
10:54:00 THEY ARE ABLE TO TALK TO OFFICERS.
10:54:02 THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
10:54:04 IT'S A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO HAVE DINNER.
10:54:06 A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT IT EXISTS.
10:54:09 AND IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT TO US.
10:54:11 OUR INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, SO MANY KID ARE LOOKING FOR
10:54:13 HOURS.
10:54:14 THEY ARE NOT SURE IF THEY WANT TO GET INTO LAW
10:54:16 ENFORCEMENT.
10:54:17 AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA THAT WE OFFER THE INTERNSHIP
10:54:20 PROGRAM AND WE DO IT THREE TIMES A YEAR.
10:54:22 SO FALL, SPRING SEMESTER AND SUMMER, YOU JUST GO ONLINE,
10:54:26 TAMPAGOV.NET AND YOU CAN READ ABOUT OUR INTERNSHIP.
10:54:30 AND THAT WAS JUST ONE MEETING.
10:54:32 ANOTHER MEETING I AM AT, SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT
10:54:34 THAT THE POLICE ACADEMY COSTS MONEY.
10:54:40 DO YOU OFFER A SPONSORSHIP?
10:54:42 AND I GOT INTO THE STORY ABOUT HOW I GOT HERE.
10:54:45 EVERYONE COMES FROM A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND.
10:54:47 EVERYONE COMES FROM A DIFFERENT UPBRINGING.
10:54:49 AND ME PERSONALLY, I WORKED AT CRACKER BARREL WHEN I WENT
10:54:53 TO COLLEGE.
10:54:53 I HAD TO PAY MY OWN BILLS.
10:54:55 I DIDN'T HAVE HELP.
10:54:58 I CAN'T QUIT MY JOB AND PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR A
10:55:00 POLICE ACADEMY.
10:55:01 SO I HAPPENED TO BE A FLIER AT USF THAT SAID TAMPA WAS
10:55:06 OFFERING A SPONSORSHIP.
10:55:07 I PUT IN FOR IT AND THANK GOD I GOT IT, 14 YEARS LATER, I
10:55:11 AM HERE NOW SPEAKING TO YOU.
10:55:12 AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE STORIES THAT PEOPLE JUST HAVE
10:55:15 NO IDEA THAT WE EVEN HAVE A POLICE SPONSORSHIP.
10:55:20 THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS, AND FORGIVE ME BUT I AM GOING
10:55:22 TO TAKE A LITTLE PR MOMENT AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE
10:55:25 ACTUALLY OCTOBER 1st WE OPEN OUR POLICE SCHOLARSHIP.
10:55:28 WE REFER TO IT AS A SCHOLARSHIP BUT FOR ANYONE
10:55:31 INTERESTED, WHEN YOU GO ONLINE, MAKE SURE YOU LOOK UP
10:55:34 POLICE RECRUIT.
10:55:35 AND OUR POLICE RECRUIT PROGRAM, WHAT THAT IS, IS WE HIRE
10:55:38 YOU AS A POLICE RECRUIT, WE PAY FOR YOUR ENTIRE ACADEMY,
10:55:42 AND THEN ONCE YOU GRADUATE AND PASS THE STATE EXAM YOU
10:55:46 COME ON AS A FULL-TIME OFFICER.
10:55:48 SO JUST BECOMING A POLICE RECRUIT, YOU ARE 1950 AN HOUR,
10:55:52 YOU HAVE FULL BENEFITS, INSURANCE, WE PAY FOR UNIFORMS,
10:55:57 AND THE REQUIREMENTS, THE BASIC IS JUST 21 YEARS OLD, A
10:56:01 U.S. CITIZEN, HAVE A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND PASS OUR
10:56:04 BACKGROUND.
10:56:06 YOU HAVE TO BE SUITABLE CHARACTER AND OVERALL PHYSICAL
10:56:09 CONDITION, BUT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
10:56:13 IS A DEAL BREAKER FOR THEM BECAUSE AGAIN THEY CAN'T PUT
10:56:16 THEMSELVES THROUGH THE ACADEMY, AND IF THEY DON'T KNOW
10:56:18 ABOUT IT, THEN THEY CAN'T EVEN PUT IN FOR IT.
10:56:20 SO WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
10:56:22 THAT OPENS UP OCTOBER 1st THROUGH OCTOBER 30th.
10:56:26 AND THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IF YOU DO NOT APPLY ON LINE
10:56:29 BETWEEN THOSE DATES, THEN YOU WON'T BE ELIGIBLE.
10:56:31 SO WE ARE CURRENTLY ADVERTISING.
10:56:33 IN THE SENTINEL, BAY NEWS NINE IS GOING TO DO A STORY ON
10:56:37 IT AND YOU WILL EVEN SEE HARTLINE BUS.
10:56:39 WE ARE PUTTING OUR FLYERS ON THE HARTLINE BUS SO IT GETS
10:56:43 AROUND TO EVERYONE SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
10:56:45 SO I KNOW SOMEONE MENTIONED IT EARLIER.
10:56:49 WE RECRUIT IN THE LOCAL SCHOOLS, THE COLLEGES, AND
10:56:51 ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT.
10:57:00 AND CHIEF DUGAN WAS AT USF TALKING TO SOME FOOTBALL
10:57:03 PLAYERS AND ONE OF THEM PUT IN FOR A SCHOLARSHIP AND HE'S
10:57:06 GOING TO BE IN THE CLASS THAT STARTS NEXT MONTH.
10:57:09 SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR.
10:57:11 YOU HAVE TO GET OUT THERE, BE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY
10:57:13 AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE.
10:57:14 SO EVEN THOUGH THE PROGRAMS WE DO NOW, I LOVE THEM, I
10:57:17 THINK THEY ARE GREAT, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE
10:57:20 AWARE OF THEM.
10:57:21 WHAT I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING,
10:57:23 WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT'S COMING UP.
10:57:25 WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL RECRUITER, OFFICER MELANIE GARDNER,
10:57:30 AND SHE CAME UP WITH SEVERAL GOOD PROJECTS THIS YEAR THAT
10:57:33 I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HER STARTING, AND THE FIRST ONE
10:57:37 HAS TO DO WITH THE LOCAL SCHOOLS.
10:57:39 SO YES, WE GO OUT, WE RECRUIT, WE TALK TO SENIORS.
10:57:43 BUT SHE HAS THE IDEA, WELL, WHY JUST TALK TO SENIORS?
10:57:46 WHY NOT GO OUT AND START EARLY?
10:57:48 A LOT OF THESE SCHOOLS HAVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROGRAMS.
10:57:51 SO WHY NOT GO OUT INTO THE JUSTICE PROGRAMS AND WE CAN
10:57:55 FOLLOW THESE KID THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, REALLY GET TO KNOW
10:57:57 THEM, MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE JOB ENTAILS,
10:58:00 WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND WHEN THEY GRADUATE, AND
10:58:03 THEY GO TO COLLEGE, WE CAN ALSO OFFER PEOPLE THINK OF THE
10:58:07 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AS JUST POLICE.
10:58:09 SO WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER POSITIONS WITHIN THE POLICE
10:58:12 DEPARTMENT.
10:58:13 COMMUNICATIONS TECHNICIANS WHICH ARE DISPATCHERS,
10:58:16 NEIGHBORHOOD AFFAIR LIAISONS, CRIME ANALYSTS.
10:58:19 THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER JOBS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE
10:58:22 GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE
10:58:24 AWARE OF THEM, AND THE KIDS GRADUATING FROM THESE JUSTICE
10:58:30 ACADEMY, THEY CAN ALWAYS COME ONBOARD AS A CIVILIAN AND
10:58:34 LET THEM FINISH THEIR EDUCATION AND MAYBE OPEN DOORS FOR
10:58:38 THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET ONE OF OUR SCHOLARSHIPS.
10:58:41 SHE ALSO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE RECRUITING THINGS.
10:58:44 RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA TEAM.
10:58:46 WHAT THE RECRUITING TEAM WOULD BE, WE HAVE OVER 900
10:58:49 OFFICERS, AND WE DECIDED WHY NOT USE THEM AS A TOOL?
10:58:53 WHY ONLY HAVE OUR RECRUITER GO OUT AND RECRUIT?
10:58:56 SO WE WANT TO EDUCATE OUR OFFICERS ON SOME OF THE
10:58:58 REQUIREMENTS TO BECOME A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
10:59:01 WE WANT TO EDUCATE THEM ON WHEN WE ARE HIRING, WHEN WE
10:59:04 ARE NOT, SO THEY CAN GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
10:59:07 THEY MEET PEOPLE EVERY DAY WHETHER IT'S ON A CALL OR JUST
10:59:10 DOING A COMMUNITY EVENT.
10:59:12 WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT YEAR ROUND AND RECRUIT
10:59:16 FOR US.
10:59:16 WE THINK THAT WE WILL SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, AND
10:59:20 WE HAVE EXAMPLES HERE ALREADY.
10:59:21 I MEAN, I KNOW CURTIS SMITH, COUNCILMAN GUDES YOURSELF,
10:59:26 IDA WALKER WILL TELL YOU SHE WOULD NOT BE WHERE SHE IS AS
10:59:31 ACHIEVE SECRETARY IF AN OFFICER DIDN'T STOP HER AND TALK
10:59:35 TO HER AND FOLLOW HER THROUGHOUT HER CHILDHOOD, AND
10:59:38 THAT'S WHAT MADE HER EVEN GET INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO
10:59:40 BEGIN WITH.
10:59:41 SO THOSE ARE THE STORIES THAT REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
10:59:45 SO IF PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY, WHO NOW WORK HERE, WHO
10:59:48 CAN GO BACK OUT AND TELL THEIR STORIES, AND KIDS, THEY
10:59:54 REALLY UNDERSTAND.
10:59:55 THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM, AND THEY LOOK
10:59:57 AT PEOPLE LIKE IDA AND CURTIS AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE, IF
11:00:01 THEY DID IT, WHY CAN'T I?
11:00:02 SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT.
11:00:05 AND THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS.
11:00:07 WHEN YOU GO EVERY DAY, ONE THING WE HAVE TO DO, WE GET
11:00:10 GAS HIMSELF SO WHEN I AM AT WAWA GETTING GAS, YOU KNOW
11:00:14 THAT CLERK, YOU START TALKING TO THEM.
11:00:16 WE START LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE
11:00:18 OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:00:20 THAT'S THE TYPE OF RECRUITING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
11:00:23 YES, THE RECRUITING EVENTS ARE GOOD.
11:00:25 BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT EVERYONE GOES TO THOSE RECRUITING
11:00:29 EVENTS.
11:00:30 SO IF WE CAN GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY, AND MAKE
11:00:32 SURE THEY KNOW WHAT WE OFFER AND THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES,
11:00:36 WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN SOME OF
11:00:38 THESE NUMBERS.
11:00:39 AND EVEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY LEADERS, JUST TO
11:00:42 STRENGTHEN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
11:00:44 I KNOW DETECTIVE BRADFORD CAME UP WITH UNIFIED SERVICE AS
11:00:48 ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALK TO WITH A GROUP OF PASTORS, AND
11:00:51 UNIFIED SERVICE SIGNIFIES THAT WE ARE ALL SERVICE AND WE
11:00:55 ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO IMPROVE AND IMPACT OUR
11:00:57 COMMUNITY.
11:00:59 AND THE MISSION WE CAME UP WITH WAS TO FOSTER COHESIVE
11:01:02 WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND COMMUNITY
11:01:04 LEADERS THAT WILL BUILD TRUST, TRANSPARENCY, AND IMPACT
11:01:08 AND INFLUENCE THROUGH TRAINING, COLLABORATION AND
11:01:11 EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION.
11:01:12 SO I HAVE GOT TO BE HONEST.
11:01:14 I AM REALLY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF IT.
11:01:17 WE WANT TO GET THESE YOUTH EARLY AND WE WANT TO REALLY
11:01:20 GET PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND POLICING AND
11:01:22 WANT TO BECOME A PART OF IT.
11:01:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:01:28 A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, IF I MAY.
11:01:41 ESSENTIAL OR POSSIBLE FUTURE TPD OFFICERS WHO LIVE IN THE
11:01:44 CITY BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF TPD OFFICERS,
11:01:53 AND IN THE COMMUNITY AND GOING OUT TO RECRUIT THE
11:01:59 SCHOOLS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT ARE
11:02:06 THINKING ABOUT THEIR FUTURE, THE BENEFITS OF BEING A
11:02:09 POLICE OFFICER.
11:02:10 YOU MENTIONED YOU WILL MAKE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS PER HOUR.
11:02:13 YOU HAVE FULL BENEFITS AND WHATNOT.
11:02:16 AND THAT'S ENCOURAGING AND GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE THERE ARE
11:02:19 MANY STUDENTS COMING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL THAT THEY DON'T
11:02:21 KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
11:02:23 THEY GO TO SCHOOL.
11:02:24 THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO MAJOR IN IF THEY
11:02:27 GO TO COLLEGE.
11:02:28 AND I SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY.
11:02:29 COLLEGE ISN'T FOR EVERYBODY.
11:02:32 LEARN A TRADE.
11:02:35 TALK TO THESE UNION APPRENTICESHIPS AND GO THAT ROUTE.
11:02:40 THAT'S ONE OPTION.
11:02:41 ANOTHER OPTION IS LOOK TO THE FIRE ACADEMY.
11:02:43 LOOK TO THE POLICE ACADEMY.
11:02:44 BECAUSE IT'S AN HONORABLE PROFESSION AND THE BENEFITS ARE
11:02:48 THERE AND YOU WILL EARN A DECENT WAGE AND WHATNOT.
11:02:54 WHEN PEOPLE -- IF I GET CRITICIZED, IN THE LAST TEN
11:03:01 YEARS, I SAY, WHY DON'T YOU RUN FOR OFFICE?
11:03:03 AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY TO RUN FOR OFFICE.
11:03:05 BUT FILE THE PAPERWORK.
11:03:07 RUN FOR OFFICE.
11:03:08 IF THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY THE
11:03:10 POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM, WHY
11:03:14 DON'T YOU BE A POLICE OFFICER?
11:03:16 WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT?
11:03:20 THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
11:03:21 IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM, I WOULD SAY INFILTRATE THE
11:03:26 SYSTEM AND BRING ABOUT POSITIVE THINGS.
11:03:28 AND THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO.
11:03:31 I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE YOU BROKE DOWN
11:03:33 WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHAT TPD IS DOING IN RECRUITING MORE
11:03:37 PEOPLE.
11:03:37 WE TALKED ABOUT THE LACK OF DIVERSITY OR THE DIVERSITY
11:03:41 NUMBERS.
11:03:41 WE NEED TO GO OUT INTO THOSE COMMUNITIES AND SAY, HEY,
11:03:45 YOU CAN BE A PART OF THIS.
11:03:46 YOU CAN BE POSITIVE, YOU CAN SET A POSITIVE EXAMPLE.
11:03:50 AND GO FROM THERE.
11:03:53 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:03:54 WHO IS THE --
11:03:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:03:57 MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:03:58 I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE LIEUTENANT.
11:04:00 >> YES, SIR?
11:04:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT?
11:04:05 IS IT STILL ONE YEAR OR TWO YEAR COLLEGE TO BE PART OF
11:04:10 THE DEPARTMENT?
11:04:10 >> SO IT'S 60 CREDIT HOURS OR THE EQUIVALENT, YOUR AA
11:04:16 DEGREE OR 60 CREDIT HOURS, OR WE TAKE MILITARY EXPERIENCE
11:04:20 IN LIEU OF THAT.
11:04:21 AND I AM ACTUALLY BROUGHT YOU BROUGHT -- YOU BROUGHT THE
11:04:25 EDUCATION UP, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE THE COMMITTEES I AM
11:04:27 SITTING ON, A LOT OF THIS COMES UP AND I DON'T KNOW HOW
11:04:32 MUCH ACTUALLY GETS OUT OF THE ROOM BUT WE WANT DIVERSITY.
11:04:36 WE WANT OUR DEPARTMENTS TO MIRROR THE COMMUNITY.
11:04:38 BUT I THINK SOME OF THAT GETS LOST IN TRANSLATION.
11:04:41 SO YOU BROUGHT UP OUR EDUCATION AND AGAIN IT IS TWO
11:04:44 YEARS, WITH YOUR AA, OR MILITARY EXPERIENCE.
11:04:48 WE DID A SURVEY AT ONE OF THE LAST COMMUNITY EVENTS I WAS
11:04:51 AT, AND ONE OF THE TOP THINGS AS FAR AS WHAT THE
11:04:54 COMMUNITY WANTED, ONE OF THE TOPS THINGS WAS THEY WANTED
11:04:59 TO HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE INSTEAD OF AN AA AND THAT
11:05:02 TRULY BAFFLED ME BECAUSE PERSONALLY I AM OF THE MIND-SET
11:05:05 THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE TO BE A
11:05:07 GOOD COP.
11:05:08 I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE RELATABLE AND UNDERSTAND.
11:05:10 BUT THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW, THERE'S A DISCONNECT.
11:05:14 YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IN THAT EVENT I WAS AT, WE DID A
11:05:17 UNANIMOUS SURVEY AND THAT WAS -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT
11:05:20 WAS NUMBER ONE OR TWO, BUT THEY WANTED US TO HAVE A
11:05:23 BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
11:05:24 SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF.
11:05:26 HOW IS THAT NOW GOING TO NARROW OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO GRAB
11:05:30 MORE PEOPLE OVERALL?
11:05:32 SO RIGHT NOW -- GO AHEAD?
11:05:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LIKE I SAID, WHEN SANDY FREEDMAN HIRED
11:05:41 US, A LOT OF GUYS, I CAME UP WITH HEADQUARTER NO COLLEGE,
11:05:46 COLLEGE, AND STARTED WORKING TO OBTAIN MONEY BECAUSE THEY
11:05:49 DIDN'T HAVE MONEY TO GO TO COLLEGE.
11:05:51 THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES RIGHT NOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A
11:05:53 LOT OF MINORITIES ABLE TO GO TO COLLEGE.
11:05:55 YOU CAN GO TO HCC TO GET THE SIXTY CREDIT HOURS.
11:05:59 >> AND YOU HAVE TO -- I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD?
11:06:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE
11:06:07 COUNTRY, I THINK THAT'S LOOKED AT, AS WELL.
11:06:14 I KNOW THE ONES, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.
11:06:21 BUT I YIELD BACK TO YOU.
11:06:23 >> AND I'M SORRY.
11:06:26 VERY QUICKLY, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT EVEN FOR PEOPLE
11:06:29 WHO APPLIED IN THE PAST THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT, AND
11:06:31 I SEE SOME HESITATION, AFTER YOU APPLY AND HAVE YOUR AA
11:06:36 DEGREE OR SIXTY HOURS, YOU HAVE TO GET LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL
11:06:41 EQUIVALENCY TEST.
11:06:42 NOW LOOKING IN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT
11:06:44 WHY YOU ARE NOT GETTING MINORITIES.
11:06:46 YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, ASSUME WHAT'S HAPPENING.
11:06:49 YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK.
11:06:50 AND IN LOOKING, WE REALIZE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE NOT,
11:06:53 A, PASSING THE TEST, OR, B, NOT GOING TO TAKE IT PERIOD.
11:06:58 SO IN BRINGING THIS TO CHIEF DUGAN, HIS QUESTION WAS,
11:07:03 WELL, WHY ARE WE DOING A TEST?
11:07:07 YOU ALREADY HAVE TO HAVE AN AA OR SIXTY HOURS.
11:07:11 WHAT BENEFIT ARE WE GETTING? NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO
11:07:13 HAVE TRANSPORTATION TO GET TO THE TESTING CENTERS, YOU
11:07:16 HAVE TO PAY A SMALL FEE TO TAKE THE TEST AND THEN YOU
11:07:19 HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU PASS IT AND TURN IN YOUR RESULTS.
11:07:22 SO WE FELT LIKE THAT ALONE WAS TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT
11:07:24 ROADBLOCKS JUST FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IN
11:07:29 THE PROCESS.
11:07:30 RIGHT NOW WE ARE ELIMINATING THAT TEST MOVING FORWARD.
11:07:34 WE ARE HOPING TO SEE SOME POSITIVE RESULTS FROM THAT
11:07:37 ALONE.
11:07:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
11:07:38 THAT WAS A ROADBLOCK SO THANK YOU FOR DOING IT.
11:07:41 >> YES, IT WAS.
11:07:42 YOU ARE WELCOME, SIR.
11:07:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:07:45 WHO IS NEXT?
11:07:50 MORE QUESTIONS?
11:07:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
11:08:00 WE ARE LUCKY TO FIND YOUR ENTHUSIASM IS CONTAGIOUS EVEN
11:08:05 OVER THE TELEPHONE.
11:08:07 WE APPRECIATE THAT.
11:08:07 >> THANK YOU.
11:08:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS POSITION FOR A
11:08:14 WHILE, PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF CHIEFS AND AT
11:08:21 LEAST PROBABLY YOUR SECOND OR THIRD MAYOR.
11:08:25 ADMINISTRATION, I GUESS.
11:08:31 AS I POINTED OUT EARLIER, AND I AM SURE THAT YOU ARE MORE
11:08:37 THAN FAMILIAR WITH IT, IN TERMS OF OUR MINORITY NUMBERS
11:08:44 THAT WE PLATEAUED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.
11:08:48 AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT YOU GUYS ARE MONITORING THESE
11:08:50 NUMBERS EVERY MONTH.
11:08:52 AND IT'S INFORMATIVE TO SEE THESE NUMBERS.
11:08:56 BUT IN TERMS OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN SEEM TO BE PLATEAUED
11:09:02 AROUND 12%, IT GOES UP AND DOWN A POINT, DEPENDING ON
11:09:05 WHAT YEAR, AND HISPANICS, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE 16%.
11:09:18 IN CONTRAST, REFLECTING THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE,
11:09:20 MINORITIES REPRESENT 50% OF OUR COMMUNITY, 24% BLACK AND
11:09:29 26% HISPANIC WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:09:33 SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A WAYS TO GO, AND I AM SURE YOU
11:09:36 AGREE WITH THAT, AND YOU PROBABLY WRESTLE WITH IT AND
11:09:39 HAVE SLEEPLESS NIGHTS TRYING TO DO BETTER.
11:09:42 BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS.
11:09:45 WE KNOW THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION, MAYOR CASTOR AND HER
11:09:48 TEAM, HAVE HAS ONLY BEEN IN PLACE FOR A YEAR, AND HALF OF
11:09:52 THAT YEAR WE HAD COVID.
11:09:55 SO I AM UNDERSTANDING OF THAT AND THE CHALLENGE WHEN HALF
11:10:03 OF THE CITY OR A BIG PORTION OF THE CITY IS HOME EITHER
11:10:06 IN BED OR QUARANTINED OR WHATEVER.
11:10:09 BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS, YOUR BUDGET.
11:10:13 AS COUNCILMAN POINTED OUT, A LOT OF TIMES, TO MAKE
11:10:18 IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE TO FUND AND SPECIFICALLY TARGET
11:10:22 FUNDING VERY -- MICROTARGETED TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
11:10:27 AND HAS YOUR BUDGET CHANGED OVER THE LAST YEAR?
11:10:37 WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TWO BUDGET CYCLES NOW.
11:10:40 HAS YOUR BUDGET CHANGED?
11:10:43 MINORITY HIRING, AND MINORITY RECRUITING.
11:10:50 MORE STAFF, MORE INCENTIVES, THAT KIND OF THING.
11:10:54 THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
11:10:55 AND THEN I HAVE, I THINK, ONE OR TWO OTHERS.
11:10:58 >> OKAY.
11:11:01 I AM GOING TO TAKE ONE QUESTION AT A TIME.
11:11:03 IT'S TOO EARLY.
11:11:06 SO ONE THAT COMES TO MIND, AS FAR AS OUR BUDGET
11:11:09 INCREASING, SO TYPICALLY EVERY YEAR WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE
11:11:12 POLICE RECRUIT PROGRAM, WE HIRE 20 POLICE RECRUITS.
11:11:16 THIS YEAR, THE CHIEF APPROVED 30.
11:11:19 SO THIS YEAR WE WILL HAVE TEN EXTRA.
11:11:21 AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER WITH ME BUT I WANT TO SAY IN
11:11:26 OCTOBER, WE ARE UP TO SOMEWHERE AROUND I WANT TO SAY 79
11:11:29 TO 81% EFFECTIVE CLASS FOR THIS SCHOLARSHIP.
11:11:33 AND WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE TEN MORE
11:11:38 ADDITIONAL POSITIONS WE GOT FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT TRUST
11:11:42 FUND.
11:11:42 SO THAT'S EXCITING.
11:11:45 AND TALK ABOUT MONEY, THE CHIEF WILL KILL ME BUT I WILL
11:11:48 SAIL GIVE MY RECRUITERS EVERYTHING YOU CAN.
11:11:50 BUT WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THE
11:11:53 SITUATION, AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE BUDGET.
11:11:56 THAT'S WHY I THINK OFFICER GARDNER CAME UP WITH WHAT CAN
11:11:59 WE DO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY?
11:12:01 AND GOING OUT INTO THESE WORKING WITH THE CRIMINOLOGY
11:12:07 PROGRAMS AND MONITORING KIDS AND EVEN OUR RECRUITING
11:12:10 TEAM, THAT KIND OF STUFF DOESN'T COST MONEY AND MAKES A
11:12:14 REAL DIFFERENCE.
11:12:15 GETTING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, EVEN IF IT'S ONE PERSON AT
11:12:18 A TIME THAT WE BRING IN, THAT'S A RIPPLE EFFECT.
11:12:21 THAT ONE PERSON IS GOING TO TELL ONE OF THEIR FRIENDS OR
11:12:23 PARENTS WHO IS GOING TO TELL THEIR FRIENDS.
11:12:25 AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
11:12:26 WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT GOING.
11:12:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW BIG IS YOUR STAFF SPECIFICALLY AS
11:12:32 RELATED TO MINORITY RECRUITING?
11:12:37 >> FUNNY YOU SAY THAT.
11:12:39 WE JUST JOKED THE OTHER DAY AT A PROMOTION CEREMONY, WE
11:12:42 DECIDED LET'S HAVE A WHOLE CHAIN OF COMMAND COME INTO THE
11:12:45 PICTURE AND EVERYONE FROM THE MAJOR DOWN IS FEMALE.
11:12:49 SO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A -- IT DEPENDS ON WHAT EXACTLY YOU
11:12:55 ARE REFERRING TO, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY UNITS.
11:12:57 WE HAVE PERSONNEL.
11:12:58 WE HAVE TRAINING.
11:12:59 WE HAVE EVIDENCE.
11:13:00 BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS --
11:13:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY QUESTION WAS, IN TERMS OF YOU'RE
11:13:06 GROUP, FOLKS UNDER YOU WHO FOCUS ON MINORITY RECRUITING.
11:13:13 IS THAT JUST YOU EVOLVING?
11:13:16 >> OH, I UNDERSTAND.
11:13:17 MELANIE IS OUR FULL TIME RECRUITER BUT OUR BACKGROUND
11:13:20 INVESTIGATORS ACTUALLY RECRUIT, TOO, AS WELL AS THE
11:13:23 CORPORAL, SERGEANT.
11:13:25 WE TAKE TURNS.
11:13:26 SO THE WHOLE PERSONNEL OFFICE RECRUITS.
11:13:28 BUT WE HAVE ONE MAIN RECRUITER.
11:13:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
11:13:34 AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS MORE OF A COMMENT.
11:13:37 BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES THAT IN TERMS OF
11:13:43 BEST PRACTICES, IF WE DON'T FEEL THAT COLLEGE IS A
11:13:49 CRITICAL REQUIREMENT, AND THAT WE CAN DEVELOP AND CREATE
11:13:58 EXCELLENT OFFICERS STRAIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, THEN WHY
11:14:04 DO WE HAVE THE COLLEGE REQUIREMENT?
11:14:06 THAT'S NOT A QUESTION OF YOU, BUT THE CHIEF IS LISTENING
11:14:09 AND MAYBE AT SOME POINT HE CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
11:14:13 AND MAYBE NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF WHY DO WE HAVE THE
11:14:17 REQUIREMENT, BUT MAYBE WE NEED TO CONSIDER KNOCKING DOWN
11:14:22 THAT REQUIREMENT TO WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUS.
11:14:23 SO ANYHOW, LIEUTENANT HILL, THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE
11:14:28 AND FOR YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
11:14:30 >> I APPRECIATE IT.
11:14:31 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:14:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:14:34 ANY OTHER -- COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
11:14:38 IS THAT YOU?
11:14:39 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:14:42 >> THAT IS CHIEF DUGAN.
11:14:50 IN REFERENCE TO THE AGE, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF 21
11:14:53 YEARS OLD.
11:14:54 I ALWAYS SAY THAT POLICE WORK THE WISDOM OF AN OLD PERSON
11:15:00 AND THE ENERGY AND STRENGTH OF A YOUNG PERSON.
11:15:02 AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT ACROSS THE NATION, A LOT OF TIMES
11:15:04 IT'S THE YOUNGER OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN DIFFICULT
11:15:08 SITUATIONS.
11:15:09 AND SO I WOULD CAUTION YOU ON THAT, OF WANTING PEOPLE
11:15:13 RIGHT OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.
11:15:14 AND I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF LOWERING THE STANDARDS OF
11:15:18 HIRING POLICE OFFICERS.
11:15:19 I THINK THAT'S HEADING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
11:15:22 I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE, I BELIEVE IT WAS
11:15:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA WHO TALKED ABOUT DIVERSITY. IN MY
11:15:27 OPINION, DIVERSITY IS MORE THAN JUST THE COLOR OF YOUR
11:15:30 SKIN OR YOUR ETHNICITY.
11:15:32 I THINK IT COMES BACK TO WHERE YOU GREW UP, YOUR AGE,
11:15:35 YOUR RELIGION, YOUR EDUCATION, THERE'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT
11:15:39 THINGS THAT COME INTO DIVERSITY MORE THAN JUST THE COLOR
11:15:42 OF YOUR SKIN.
11:15:43 THANK YOU.
11:15:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
11:15:50 BUT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HIRING RIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL,
11:15:54 DIDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN HIRE THEM AT 18 YEARS OLD.
11:16:00 IF THEY GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL AND GET THEIR GED, YOU KNOW,
11:16:06 WORKED AT McDONALD'S FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS AND BE AN
11:16:09 ASSISTANT MANAGER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND HAVE KIND OF
11:16:11 A DEAD-END CAREER GOING THAT WAY.
11:16:13 BY THE TIME THEY ARE 21, 22, MAYBE THEY ARE LOOKING
11:16:17 AROUND, AND THEY MIGHT WANT SOMETHING ELSE.
11:16:19 THEY DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TOO BUSY
11:16:22 MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND MAYBE HAVE A KID OR TWO
11:16:26 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
11:16:28 THAT'S MY POINT, CHIEF, IN TERMS OF THE EDUCATIONAL
11:16:30 REQUIREMENT PER SE, IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD REVISIT.
11:16:36 AND I HEAR YOU SAYING -- IS THAT POSSIBLE?
11:16:43 >>CHIEF DUGAN: YES.
11:16:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:16:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:16:46 ANYTHING ELSE?
11:16:48 ALL RIGHT.
11:16:50 WHO IS GOING TO BE NEXT AT THIS POINT?
11:16:55 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT WOULD BE ME, GINA GRIMES, CITY
11:16:58 ATTORNEY.
11:16:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO BRING UP THE DRB AT
11:17:02 THIS POINT?
11:17:04 >>GINA GRIMES: YES, SIR.
11:17:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER YOU PRESENT, I KNOW WE HAVE
11:17:09 THE PBA, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY
11:17:13 AFTER YOU PRESENT.
11:17:14 SO WE WILL KEEP THAT IN ORDER AND THEN WE WILL GO TO
11:17:17 QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OR WHATEVER ELSE.
11:17:19 GO AHEAD GO AHEAD.
11:17:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ARE TWO HOURS IN.
11:17:26 SHOULD WE TAKE A FIVE OR TEN-MINUTE BREAK?
11:17:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:17:30 LET'S DO THIS.
11:17:30 IT WILL BE A LENGTHIER PRESENTATION.
11:17:33 IT'S 11:15.
11:17:34 AT 11:25 WE WILL RESUME.
11:17:37 THAT'S ABOUT 8 MINUTES.
11:17:38 PLEASE DO NOT DISCONNECT FROM THE MEETING AND JUST MUTE
11:17:41 YOUR PHONE OR YOUR COMPUTER, HOWEVER YOU ARE COMING IN,
11:17:44 AND WE WILL BEGIN AGAIN AT 11:25.
11:17:47 DO NOT DISCONNECT OR HANG UP.
11:17:49 JUST MUTE YOURSELF.
11:17:51 (RECESS).
11:17:57
11:18:01 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
11:25:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
11:25:53 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:25:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
11:26:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:26:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:26:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CITRO IS HERE.
11:26:13 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
11:26:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. GRIMES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO
11:26:19 PROCEED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.
11:26:22 >>GINA GRIMES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:26:22 I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY GIVING A VERY BRIEF RECAP ON HOW
11:26:26 AND WHY WE ARE AT THIS JUNCTURE WITH THE CITIZENS REVIEW
11:26:29 BOARD.
11:26:30 IT STARTED BACK IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR WHEN CITY COUNCIL
11:26:34 HAD ONE OF ITS FIRST IN-PERSON COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND AT
11:26:37 THAT MEETING, YOU RECEIVED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC
11:26:41 COMMENT RELATED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CRB.
11:26:47 AT THAT JUNE MEETING, COUNCIL PASSED SEVERAL MOTIONS, ONE
11:26:51 OF WHICH WAS TO SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP REGARDING POLICING
11:26:55 WHICH WAS ITEM 3 ON YOUR AGENDA THIS MORNING.
11:26:58 YOU ALSO PASSED A MOTION REGARDING INFORMATION ON
11:27:02 DIVERSITY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:27:04 THAT WAS ITEM 2 THAT WAS ADDRESSED EARLIER.
11:27:07 THEN YOU ALSO ASKED US TO ADDRESS THIS CRB AUTHORITY WITH
11:27:13 REGARDS TO USE OF FORCE, AND HIRING.
11:27:19 I WANT TO SAY LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE LISTENED TO THOSE
11:27:22 COMMENTS AND THAT CRITICISM.
11:27:23 AND WHAT IT CLEARLY PRESENTED WAS THE CHALLENGE THAT LIE
11:27:26 AHEAD OF US TO WORK ON IMPROVING AND BUILDING THE
11:27:32 PUBLIC'S TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
11:27:35 AND ACTUALLY YOUR FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER THIS MORNING,
11:27:39 BENJAMIN, I BELIEVE SAID IT BEST.
11:27:41 HE SAID THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO CREATE TRUST WITH
11:27:45 CONCRETE PUBLIC POLICIES.
11:27:48 AND SO WE THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
11:27:51 WE THINK WE CAN DO IT THROUGH EDUCATION, BY ESTABLISHING
11:27:55 MORE TRANSPARENCY AND ALSO BY ESTABLISHING OVERSIGHT.
11:28:06 SO WE DEVELOPED A SLATE OF AMENDMENT TO THE CRB
11:28:10 STRUCTURE, AND I WILL ADDRESS THOSE IN MORE DETAIL.
11:28:13 WE PRESENTED THOSE AMENDMENT TO YOU AT AN EARLIER MEETING
11:28:22 ON JULY 30.
11:28:23 AT THE JULY MEETING, YOU ALSO REQUESTED US TO CONSIDER
11:28:29 SEVEN ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE CRB.
11:28:33 WE DRAFTED AN EXTENSIVE MEMORANDUM OF LAW REGARDING THE
11:28:35 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IN CITY COUNCIL'S REQUESTED CHANGES
11:28:39 WHICH WE GAVE TO YOU SOME TIME AGO.
11:28:45 WE ALSO SPOKE SEVERAL TIMES TO THE ACLU AND PBA WITH
11:28:52 RESPECT TO OUR PROPOSAL.
11:28:54 AND AFTER HEARING FROM THEM AND WORKING ON THE MOTIONS
11:28:56 THAT YOU HAD ISSUES, WE DRAFTED REVISIONS TO THE CITIZENS
11:29:02 REVIEW BOARD CODE OF ORDINANCE, AND IN ORDER TO
11:29:05 UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE
11:29:12 DISCUSSING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FIRST LOOK AT
11:29:15 WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE CRB.
11:29:19 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
11:29:27 THE CRB IS COMPRISED OF NINE MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES.
11:29:31 THE MAYOR APPOINTS FIVE MEMBERS, TWO ALTERNATES CURRENTLY
11:29:34 BOTH ALTERNATE POSITIONS ARE VACANT.
11:29:36 SO THE MAYOR APPOINTS FIVE.
11:29:38 COUNCIL APPOINTS FOUR.
11:29:40 CURRENTLY THE STAFF OF THE CRB IS THE CRB COORDINATOR WHO
11:29:44 IS ALSO THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS BUREAU, ALSO KNOWN AS
11:29:48 INTERNAL AFFAIRS CAPTAIN.
11:29:51 THE CRB ATTORNEY IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CITY ATTORNEYS,
11:29:56 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS, TPD LEGAL ADVISER.
11:30:00 THEY MEET ON A BIMONTHLY BASIS, SOMETIMES MORE ORPHAN
11:30:04 DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF CASES THEY INTEND TO CONSIDER,
11:30:07 AND IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THEY REVIEWED AN AVERAGE OF
11:30:12 SIX CASES IN EACH OF THOSE YEARS.
11:30:14 AND JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THAT, LAST YEAR
11:30:18 THEY REVIEWED SIX CASES, AND THAT WAS OUT OF THE 14
11:30:22 INTERNAL AFFAIRS CASES THAT WERE COMPLETED LAST YEAR.
11:30:26 SO ALMOST HALF OF THE IA INVESTIGATIONS WERE REVIEWED BY
11:30:32 THE CRB.
11:30:33 THE CRB'S EXISTING DUTIES ARE THEY REVIEW CLOSED INTERNAL
11:30:40 AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS --
11:30:48 [NO ENCODER]
11:30:49 [NO ENCODER]
11:30:50 THE CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN ARE CITY COUNCIL
11:31:13 APPOINTMENTS AND IT ALSO LISTS THE MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS
11:31:16 AND THEIR TERMS AND WHEN THEIR TERMS EXPIRE.
11:31:20 AGAIN AS I SAID CURRENTLY, THE TWO ALTERNATE POSITIONS
11:31:23 ARE VACANT.
11:31:28 I AM GOING TO BEGIN BY MOVING ONTO THE AMENDMENT FOR THE
11:31:32 STRUCTURE OF THE CRB.
11:31:34 WE PRESENTED THESE TO YOU PREVIOUSLY BUT I AM GOING TO GO
11:31:37 THROUGH THEM FAIRLY QUICKLY.
11:31:38 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
11:31:45 THE FIRST FOUR ARE REALLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT.
11:31:47 THE FIRST IS TO AUTHORIZE THE CRB TO REVIEW CERTAIN
11:31:50 PENDING INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS ONCE COMPLETED AND
11:31:54 PROVIDE FINDINGS AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHIEF PRIOR
11:31:57 TO THE IMPOSITION, AND WHAT THIS WILL DO, IT WILL ALLOW
11:32:03 THE CRB TO HAVE INPUT WHILE A CASE IS -- BEFORE A CASE IS
11:32:08 ACTUALLY DECIDED UPON AS FAR AS DISCIPLINE IS CONCERNED
11:32:12 BY THE CHIEF.
11:32:13 SO GIVEN THAT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A
11:32:16 RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THE CHIEF ACTUALLY IMPOSES ANY
11:32:20 DISCIPLINE.
11:32:25 THE SECOND ITEM IS AUTHORIZING THE CRB TO REVIEW HIRING
11:32:29 CRITERIA AND PARTICIPATE IN A NEW TPD INTERVIEW PANEL.
11:32:32 AND THIS WAS A SUGGESTION THAT THE CHIEF HIMSELF MADE.
11:32:38 AND CURRENTLY THEY HAVE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS IN THE
11:32:42 DEPARTMENT THAT ACTUALLY CONDUCT INTERVIEWS.
11:32:45 INSTEAD HE WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH AN INTERVIEW PANEL.
11:32:50 AND IN SO DOING HE WOULD ALSO ALLOW OR PERMIT ONE OF THE
11:32:56 CRB MEMBERS TO SIT ON THAT INTERVIEW PANEL, SO THEY WOULD
11:33:00 BE ABLE TO SEE FIRST HAND HOW THE INTERVIEW PROCESS
11:33:03 WORKED, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE TYPES OF RECRUITS
11:33:05 THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED, AND WE HAVE ALSO ESTABLISHED A
11:33:10 METHOD BY WHICH THE CRB MEMBERS COULD ROTATE ON AND OFF
11:33:14 THAT INTERVIEW PANEL TO GIVE ALL OF THEM SOME EXPOSURE
11:33:21 AND INSIGHT INTO THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
11:33:23 THE OTHER THING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED WITH THE
11:33:26 CHIEF AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN GUDES IS THAT THE
11:33:30 INTERVIEW PANEL BE MADE UP OF DIVERSE MEMBERS OF THE TPD
11:33:34 STAFF, AND CHIEF DUGAN HAS COMMITTED TO DOING THAT.
11:33:38 AND SO IN REVISING THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE CRB
11:33:43 ORDINANCE, I WOULD BE INSERTING IN THERE A REQUIREMENT
11:33:48 THAT THE CHIEF INTERVIEW PANEL BE COMPRISED OF DIFFERENT
11:33:53 DIVERSE MEMBERS OF THE TPD STAFF.
11:33:59 THE THIRD CHANGE WE ARE PROPOSING IS PROVIDE THE CRB WITH
11:34:02 MONTHLY NOTIFICATIONS REGARDING TPD COMPLAINTS AND CREATE
11:34:05 A COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEM.
11:34:07 AGAIN THAT'S ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME TRANSPARENCY IN THE
11:34:11 DEPARTMENT AND FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT FILE A COMPLAINT TO
11:34:14 KNOW THAT THE COMPLAINT HAS BEEN LOGGED AND THAT IT CAN
11:34:17 IN FACT BE TRACKED THROUGH THE COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEM
11:34:20 SO THEY CAN SEE WHERE IT IS -- IT CAN BE KNOWN TO THE CRB
11:34:25 THE STATUS OF THAT COMPLAINT.
11:34:29 THE NEXT CHANGE IS TO PROVIDE FOR A DIRECT FILE OF TPD
11:34:33 COMPLAINTS WITH THE CRB.
11:34:36 AND THIS CHANGE WAS RECOMMENDED OR SUGGESTED BECAUSE
11:34:40 BASED ON A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD, IT MADE IT
11:34:44 CLEAR THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE A COMPLAINT ABOUT A
11:34:48 TPD OFFICER MAY BE HESITANT TO FILE THAT COMPLAINT
11:34:52 DIRECTLY WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
11:34:54 AND SO BY ALLOWING DIRECT FILE OF TPD COMPLAINTS TO CRB,
11:34:59 IT GIVES INDIVIDUALS AN OUTLET THAT THEY MAY FEEL MORE
11:35:03 COMFORTABLE WITH IN FILING A COMPLAINT.
11:35:05 THE NEXT CHANGE IS NOTIFY THE CRB REGARDING NEW USE OF
11:35:09 FORCE POLICIES OR CHANGES.
11:35:12 SO BEFORE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES DEALING WITH USE OF FORCE
11:35:16 ARE MODIFIED, THE TPD STAFF WOULD HAVE TO COME AND
11:35:21 PRESENT TO THE CRB AND ADVISE THEM OF THOSE CHANGES AND
11:35:24 WHY THE CHANGES ARE BEING DONE.
11:35:28 ANOTHER IMPORTANT COMPONENT WE THINK TO IMPROVING THE
11:35:32 PUBLIC'S TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN TPD IS TO EDUCATING THE
11:35:37 PUBLIC, AND BY PROVIDING WORKSHOPS, TRAIN THE CRB ON
11:35:43 DIFFERENT TOPICS, LIKE THE COMPLAINT PROCESS AND HOW IT
11:35:45 WORKS, LIKE THE HIRING PROCESS, LIKE THE DISCIPLINE
11:35:48 PROCESS.
11:35:49 THERE ARE GOING TO BE WORKSHOPS IN ORDER TO TRAIN THE CRB
11:35:54 MEMBERS ON EACH OF THESE TOPICS.
11:35:55 AND IN THOSE WORKSHOPS OBVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE
11:35:58 THE RIGHT TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS AND TO LISTEN TO
11:36:03 WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT.
11:36:06 WE ALSO PROVIDED FOR ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATION
11:36:10 REQUIREMENTS FOR CRB MEMBERS.
11:36:12 I AM NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE UNLESS YOU
11:36:15 HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THOSE.
11:36:17 BUT IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, WE DID MAKE SOME
11:36:21 MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE THAT WERE REQUESTED BY COUNCIL
11:36:26 MEMBERS AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
11:36:32 WE ALSO HAVE A PROPOSAL TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS
11:36:34 ON THE CRB AND APPOINT MEMBERS FROM EXTERNAL
11:36:36 ORGANIZATIONS.
11:36:37 CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NINE MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES.
11:36:40 WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS TO
11:36:45 ELEVEN FULL TIME MEMBERS, AND I WILL DISCUSS WITH YOU IN
11:36:50 JUST A BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSALS TO APPOINT DIFFERENT
11:36:56 MEMBERS ONTO THE CRB AND WHO WOULD MAKE THOSE
11:37:00 APPOINTMENTS.
11:37:03 AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT IS TO REQUIRE THE CRB TO
11:37:07 CONDUCT A COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY THREE YEARS.
11:37:10 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SURVEY WAS PREVIOUSLY CONDUCTED
11:37:16 IN 2017.
11:37:17 AND GOING FORWARD IT WOULD BE CONDUCTED AGAIN IN THREE
11:37:23 YEARS.
11:37:23 THEN THE LAST CHANGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS TO
11:37:27 CREATE AND MAINTAIN A CRB WEBSITE.
11:37:30 WHEN I ATTENDED ONE OF THE CRB MEETINGS,
11:37:39 A COMMON COMMENT WAS THAT NOBODY KNEW WHO THE CRB MEMBERS
11:37:43 WERE, OR DID THEY PROVIDE MUCH INFORMATION ONLINE ABOUT
11:37:46 THE CRB.
11:37:47 SO WE INTEND TO CREATE A WEBSITE THAT IS DEDICATED TO THE
11:37:53 CRB.
11:37:53 THERE WILL BE A LINK TO IT THROUGH CRB'S WEBSITE AND
11:37:58 INFORMATION ABOUT THE CRB, THEIR MEMBERS, AND THEIR
11:38:02 AGENDAS, AT PAST MEETINGS, WITH ALL BE LOCATED ON THAT
11:38:06 WEBSITE.
11:38:11 AS I MENTIONED, AT CITY COUNCIL'S JULY 30 MEETING, CITY
11:38:15 COUNCIL REQUESTED ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE CRB PROPOSAL.
11:38:20 NEXT SLIDE.
11:38:24 THOSE ADDITIONAL CHANGES ARE LISTED HERE.
11:38:27 YOU ASKED THAT WE HOLD CRB MEETINGS IN COMMUNITY
11:38:31 LOCATIONS.
11:38:31 YOU ASKED THAT CRB PRESENT THEIR ANNUAL REPORTS TO
11:38:35 COUNCIL IN PERSON IN ADDITION TO A WRITTEN REPORT, WHICH
11:38:37 IS THE WAY IT'S DONE NOW.
11:38:39 YOU ALSO ASKED THAT THE CRB HOLD FOUR OF THOSE REGULAR
11:38:43 MEETINGS PER YEAR IN EACH OF THE CITY COUNCIL
11:38:45 SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS.
11:38:47 YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT AND REQUESTED THAT THE CRB BE
11:38:52 PROVIDED WITH INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND STAFF, THAT
11:38:55 COMMUNITY LEADERS BE PLACED ON THE NEW INTERVIEW PANEL
11:38:58 PROPOSED BY TPD, THAT COUNCIL BE AUTHORIZED TO APPOINT
11:39:03 THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS ON CRB, AND THAT CRB BE
11:39:07 PROVIDED WITH SOME LEVEL OF SUBPOENA POWER.
11:39:11 AS YOU CAN SEE, I COLOR CODED THE DIFFERENT REQUESTS IN
11:39:18 GREEN.
11:39:19 THOSE THREE AT THE TOP REFLECT CHANGES WITH WHICH THERE'S
11:39:25 NO ISSUE AT ALL, AND HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE
11:39:29 CURRENT DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE.
11:39:37 THE NEXT THREE ARE MARKED IN YELLOW.
11:39:39 IN JUST A MOMENT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU CERTAIN
11:39:41 ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS TO THOSE REQUESTED CHANGES.
11:39:43 AND THE LAST ITEM, WHICH IS SUBPOENA POWER, IS THE ONLY
11:39:46 REQUEST THAT WE BELIEVE TO NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED AT THIS
11:39:50 TIME, AND THAT IS BASED ON A LEGAL POSITION THAT WE WILL
11:39:54 ALSO GO INTO IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN JUST ONE
11:39:58 MINUTE.
11:39:59 SO AS FAR AS THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS, WITH RESPECT TO
11:40:03 THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND STAFF, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM
11:40:07 THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE DUTIES OF THE CRB, THERE WILL BE
11:40:14 AN ADDITIONAL NEED FOR AN INCREASE IN THE STAFF FOR THE
11:40:21 CRB.
11:40:23 WE THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE SUBJECT MATTER
11:40:28 EXPERTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE STAFFING
11:40:34 AND THAT INFORMATION, AND I AM GOING TO, ON THE NEXT
11:40:37 SLIDE, I WILL GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT I MEAN BY
11:40:40 THAT.
11:40:41 THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL IS -- AND I THOUGHT I HAD
11:40:46 A BETTER SOLUTION TO THIS THAN WHAT I AM ABLE TO PRESENT
11:40:49 THIS MORNING.
11:40:51 WE HAD INITIALLY PROPOSED THAT YOUR COUNSEL ATTORNEY,
11:40:56 MARTIN SHELBY, SERVE AS THE COUNSEL TO THE CRB, AND FOR
11:41:03 VARIOUS REASONS, HE IS HAVING TO DECLINE THAT OFFER.
11:41:08 SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A TPD LEGAL ADVISER SERVE AS THE
11:41:15 COUNSEL TO THE CRB I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE A
11:41:20 DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ASSIGNED TO
11:41:23 ADVISE THE CRB REGARDING PROCEDURES AND AUTHORITY.
11:41:27 AND AGAIN I WILL EXPLAIN IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN
11:41:30 JUST ONE MINUTE.
11:41:31 AS FAR AS YOUR REQUEST FOR COMMUNITY LEADERS ON THE NEW
11:41:35 TPD INTERVIEW PANEL, AGAIN BASED ON THE DIVERSITY
11:41:39 COMMITMENT FROM CHIEF DUGAN REGARDING THE INTERVIEW PANEL
11:41:43 MEMBERS, WE THINK THAT -- WE DISCUSSED THAT ISSUE WITH
11:41:49 COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND HE SEEMED TO THINK THAT THAT
11:41:53 COMMITMENT WOULD SERVE AS AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION TO THE
11:41:59 ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT IT BE A COMMUNITY LEADER.
11:42:03 BUT HE SAID HE WAS LOOKING FOR THE INTERVIEW PANEL TO BE
11:42:07 COMPRISED OF MORE DIVERSE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS, THAT
11:42:11 PERHAPS WOULD HAVE MORE EMPATHY WITH THE VARIOUS
11:42:13 DIFFERENT TYPES OF CANDIDATES.
11:42:17 AS FAR AS THE CITY COUNCIL REQUEST TO APPOINT THE
11:42:20 MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CRB, WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE
11:42:23 IS THAT THE APPOINTMENTS BE SHARED EVENLY.
11:42:27 THAT WOULD MEAN THE COUNCIL APPOINTS FIVE AND THE MAYOR
11:42:31 APPOINTS FIVE.
11:42:32 THE ELEVENTH MEMBER WE ARE PROPOSING WOULD BE A
11:42:35 REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NAACP, AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE
11:42:39 APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, AND THEN CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR.
11:42:43 AND THAT WAY, IT IS SPLIT EVENLY DOWN THE MIDDLE.
11:42:49 RIGHT NOW, THE MAYOR HAS FIVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE
11:42:52 CURRENTLY SERVING ON THE CRB, AND THEIR TERMS DO NOT
11:42:58 EXPIRE, THE FIRST TERMS EXPIRE IN 2022.
11:43:01 HOWEVER, THE TWO ALTERNATE POSITIONS ARE CURRENTLY
11:43:05 VACANT.
11:43:05 SO IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL, THEN
11:43:10 THE COUNCIL WOULD IMMEDIATELY HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL
11:43:14 APPOINTMENTS.
11:43:14 AND THE MAYOR WOULD NOT HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT UNTIL
11:43:17 HER APPOINTEE'S TERMS EXPIRE IN 2022.
11:43:22 AND THEN THE LAST ITEM WITH RESPECT TO SUBPOENA POWER,
11:43:29 OUR RESPONSE TO THAT REQUEST IS THAT SUCH DELEGATION OF
11:43:38 AUTHORITY AND ENHANCEMENT TO CRB POWER WOULD REQUIRE A
11:43:41 CHARTER AMENDMENT SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND I
11:43:53 THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS
11:43:55 WHY WE ARE PRESENTING THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS THAT BE
11:43:58 WE JUST MENTIONED.
11:43:59 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO A CRB
11:44:03 MEETING.
11:44:07 HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO ONE?
11:44:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE BEEN.
11:44:11 MANISCALCO.
11:44:11 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA HAS.
11:44:17 >>GINA GRIMES: WELL, THE WAY YOUR CRB MEETINGS WORK IS
11:44:19 MUCH THE SAME AS ONE OF YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE YOU
11:44:22 HAVE STAFF PRESENTATION FORMAT, AND THE CITY DEPARTMENT,
11:44:29 PRESENTS WHATEVER ISSUES.
11:44:30 LET'S USE YOUR ZONING MEETINGS AS AN EXAMPLE.
11:44:33 THE ZONING STAFF GETS UP AND PRESENTS THE REZONING
11:44:37 APPLICATION.
11:44:39 AND THE CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERS THAT REZONING APPLICATION,
11:44:44 AND THEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, MUCH THE SAME WAY WHEN
11:44:47 THE CRB MEETINGS ARE BEING HELD, THE STAFF GETS UP AND
11:44:52 THEY PRESENT THE CASE TO THE CRB.
11:45:02 SO THE TPD STAFF MEMBER WOULD GET UP AND MAKE THE
11:45:04 PRESENTATION WITH RESPECT TO THE CLOSED IA INVESTIGATION.
11:45:08 THE CRB WOULD EVALUATE IT, MAKE FINDINGS AS TO WHETHER
11:45:12 THE INVESTIGATION WAS APPROPRIATE, AND MAC THEIR
11:45:16 RECOMMENDATION.
11:45:18 SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE SUBJECT
11:45:22 MATTER EXPERTS TO DO THESE PRESENTATIONS.
11:45:25 AND GOING FORWARD, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ENHANCING THE
11:45:28 CRBs DUTIES WITH RESPECT TO WEIGHING IN ON THE
11:45:35 DISCIPLINE, ON THE HIRING PROCESS, ALSO IN TAKING AND
11:45:41 TRACKING COMPLAINTS, AND THEN LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE SOP
11:45:46 CHANGES.
11:45:46 SO ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE SUBJECT MATTER
11:45:51 EXPERTS.
11:45:51 THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HOW -- AND EXPLAIN
11:45:54 TO THE CRB HOW THE INVESTIGATORY PROCESS WORKS, HOW THE
11:45:59 DISCIPLINES WORK.
11:46:01 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THEY HAVE A PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE
11:46:03 SYSTEM SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM IT THE
11:46:06 SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT STANDPOINT, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO
11:46:10 UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.
11:46:13 SAME THING WITH THE HIRING STANDARD.
11:46:18 REQUIRING ADDITIONAL REVIEW HAVE TO BE CONDUCTED,
11:46:22 WHENEVER THEY ARE LOOKING AT POLICIES DEALING WITH
11:46:26 GRIEVANCES, PURSUIT, ETHICS, AND COMPLAINT TRACKING.
11:46:32 IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO HAVE INDEPENDENT STAFF UNLESS WE
11:46:36 WERE WILLING TO BASICALLY DUPLICATE THE STAFF FROM THE
11:46:39 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:46:40 AND WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARY.
11:46:43 WE THINK THERE ARE SOME COST EFFICIENCIES IN NOT HAVING A
11:46:50 SEPARATE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT WOULD DO NOTHING MORE THAN
11:46:53 DUPLICATE THE EFFORTS OF TPD, AND ALSO THEY WOULD HAVE A
11:46:58 VERY DEEP LEARNING CURVE.
11:47:01 MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE POSITIONS AS YOU HEARD
11:47:03 EARLIER ON THE DISCUSSION ON DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, THEY
11:47:07 HAVE BEEN IN THE POSITIONS FOR A DECADE PLUS.
11:47:09 SO THIS ISN'T A SITUATION OR A PATH THAT WE COULD ENGAGE
11:47:15 SOMEONE TO PERFORM WITHOUT HAVING DEEP SUBJECT MATTER
11:47:20 KNOWLEDGE.
11:47:21 SO AGAIN WE THINK THAT TPD IS MOST AND BEST EQUIPPED TO
11:47:26 PROVIDE FOR THE CRB.
11:47:32 IN DEALING WITH INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, I KNOW THAT IT WAS
11:47:35 MENTIONED THAT OTHER BOARDS HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT
11:47:39 SERVE AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THOSE BOARDS, AND THAT'S
11:47:43 ACCURATE.
11:47:44 THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO MIND WHICH ARE THE CODE
11:47:47 ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AND THE CIVIL SERVICE
11:47:51 BOARDS.
11:47:52 HOWEVER, THERE'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
11:47:54 BOTH OF THOSE BOARDS ARE DECISION MAKING BOARD OR BODIES.
11:48:00 THEY HEAR A CASE THAT'S PRESENTED BY THE CITY STAFF, AND
11:48:04 THEN THEY MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DETERMINATION.
11:48:08 AND IN THOSE CASES, WE CAN'T HAVE THE SAME OFFICE
11:48:11 REPRESENTING, IF YOU WILL, THE PROSECUTOR AS WELL AS THE
11:48:17 JUDGE IN THOSE CASES.
11:48:18 SO WE HIRE WHAT IS CALLED CONFLICT COUNSEL.
11:48:23 HOWEVER, THE CRB HEARINGS ARE NOT ADVERSARIAL HEARINGS.
11:48:29 IT'S A COOPERATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE CRB.
11:48:34 AND AGAIN WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD PRESS AND PUBLIC AND THE
11:48:41 OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:48:42 SO WE DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE CONFLICT
11:48:48 COUNSEL BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ADVERSARIAL PROCEEDING.
11:48:53 AND FURTHERMORE -- AND I AM NOT GOING TO GO INTO A LOT OF
11:48:56 DETAIL ON THIS, BUT INDEPENDENT, QUOTE, INDEPENDENT
11:48:58 COUNCIL, IS REALLY FICTION UNDER OUR CHARTER THE WAY IT'S
11:49:07 STRUCTURED NOW BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD IS AN OUTSIDE
11:49:10 ATTORNEY IS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE THEY WANT A SEPARATE
11:49:16 ATTORNEY FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
11:49:19 AND THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT SOMETHING WE COULD PROVIDE UNDER
11:49:23 THE CITY CHARTER, ALL OF THE LEGAL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY
11:49:29 ARE UNDER THE MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL OF THE LEGAL
11:49:32 DEPARTMENT.
11:49:35 AND IF WE HIRED AN INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEY, AN OUTSIDE
11:49:39 COUNSEL WHO WAS SEPARATE AND APART TO THAT SUBJECT OF THE
11:49:44 MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, THEN THAT
11:49:46 WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER.
11:49:50 SO KEEP IN MIND, TOO, ALSO, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY
11:49:55 REPRESENTS ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS AND ALL CITY BOARDS.
11:49:59 SO THEY WOULD REPRESENT THE CRB AS WELL.
11:50:02 AND THE CITY IS GOING TO BE LIABLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF
11:50:05 THOSE BOARDS.
11:50:07 THEREFORE, WE CANNOT HAVE, QUOTE, INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY,
11:50:13 THAT WOULD SERVE AS THE LEGAL ADVISER TO THAT BOARD
11:50:15 UNLESS THAT ATTORNEY WAS UNDER THE MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL
11:50:18 OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE SUGGEST THAT A
11:50:24 SEPARATE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE
11:50:27 POLICE DEPARTMENT, SERVE AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CRB.
11:50:35 THAT ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY COULD ADVISE THEM AS TO
11:50:40 MANAGEMENT OF THEIR MEETING, HOW TO MAKE MOTIONS, AND
11:50:44 ALSO RULES OF PROCEDURE, AND THEN ALSO WHAT THEIR DUTIES
11:50:49 AND AUTHORITIES ARE.
11:50:51 AND THE EXTENT OF THOSE DUTIES AND AUTHORITIES.
11:50:53 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THE
11:50:57 SPEAKERS THIS MORNING.
11:50:59 THEY WANT SOMEONE SEPARATE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:51:02 THAT IN FACT CAN ADVISE THE CRB AS TO WHAT THEIR DUTIES
11:51:07 AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, WITHOUT THAT PERSON BEING
11:51:11 AFFILIATED WITH TPD.
11:51:13 AND I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT THROUGH A DIFFERENT
11:51:20 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE IN
11:51:22 THAT ROLE.
11:51:25 I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT RATHER THAN DEBATE WHAT WE
11:51:28 CAN DO AND WHAT WE CANNOT DO OR SUGGEST WHICH PROPOSAL OR
11:51:37 EVEN GET INTO SEPARATION, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
11:51:46 EMPHASIZE THAT EVERYONE HAS THE COMMON GOAL OF IMPROVING
11:51:51 THE PUBLIC TRUST AND TPD AND CRB.
11:51:54 WITH THAT, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK URSULA RICHARDSON TO
11:52:00 ADDRESS THE LAST REMAINING ISSUE DEALING WITH THE
11:52:03 SUBPOENA POWER.
11:52:04 >> THIS IS URSULA RICHARDSON.
11:52:08 AS TO THE REQUEST FOR SUBPOENA POWER WHICH WAS MADE AT
11:52:12 YOUR JULY 30th MEETING, THE COUNCIL ASKED THAT IF WE
11:52:16 COULD NOT ACCOMMODATE A PARTICULAR REQUEST THAT WE ISSUE
11:52:18 A MEMORANDUM OR GIVE A LEGAL MEMORANDUM FOR THAT.
11:52:22 AND TO THAT RESPECT, WE HAVE GIVEN COUNCIL A 24 PAGE
11:52:27 MEMORANDUM AND THE SUBPOENA POWER IS ADDRESSED PAGES 19
11:52:30 THROUGH 24.
11:52:31 SOME VERY EXTENSIVE RESEARCH WENT INTO THAT AREA, HOURS
11:52:35 AND HOURS OF RESEARCH AND WESTLAW USE LOOKING AT THAT
11:52:40 PARTICULAR AREA.
11:52:41 BUT I WANT TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT
11:52:45 PARTICULAR ISSUE.
11:52:46 ALTHOUGH THE FOCUS HAS BEEN ON SUBPOENA POWER, THE BIGGER
11:52:49 ISSUE IS THAT WHAT IS BEING CALLED FOR BY CERTAIN
11:52:52 ORGANIZATIONS IS REALLY ASKING THAT COUNCIL AND/OR THE
11:52:56 CITY CONVERT THE CRB INTO AN INVESTIGATIVE PANEL.
11:53:01 MIAMI HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES.
11:53:04 AND JUST FOR COUNCIL'S EDIFICATION, THERE ARE ONLY TWO
11:53:08 PANELS IN FLORIDA, OR MODELS IN FLORIDA, THAT HAVE
11:53:11 INVESTIGATIVE POWER. THAT WILL BE THE CITY OF MIAMI
11:53:15 CREATED IN 2001, AND THE CITY OF KEY WEST CREATED IN
11:53:19 2002.
11:53:20 BOTH OF THOSE INVESTIGATIVE PANELS WERE CREATED AS A
11:53:24 RESULT OF A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
11:53:25 AND THE CHARTER AMENDMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN THE SENSE
11:53:28 THAT WHEN WE KEEP HEARING THE REFRAIN ABOUT THE BOARD
11:53:32 BEING INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS
11:53:37 CONSIDERED IN BOTH OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS AS FAR AS THE
11:53:40 CRB HAVING SOMEPLACE APART FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:53:45 SO THE VOTER REFERENDUM IN KEY WEST AND IN MIAMI CREATED
11:53:49 THE INDEPENDENT FOR THEIR BOARD.
11:53:52 THE VOTER REFERENDUM CREATING THE INDEPENDENT STAFF AND
11:53:56 THE INDEPENDENT COUNCIL FOR THOSE BOARDS.
11:53:59 THE VOTER REFERENDUM CREATED A BUDGET.
11:54:02 THAT MEANS THAT THE VOTERS CONSIDERED ALL OF THE WORK,
11:54:06 MONEY AND RESOURCES THAT WERE GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO
11:54:10 CARRY OUT THIS INVESTIGATIVE FUNCTION FOR THESE BOARDS,
11:54:14 AND APPROVE THAT THE CITY WOULD BASICALLY MAKE MONEY
11:54:18 AVAILABLE TO THESE BOARDS.
11:54:21 AND AS A PART OF THAT THE VOTER REFERENDUM ALSO APPROVED
11:54:24 THE SUBPOENA POWER THAT EACH OF THESE BOARDS HAVE.
11:54:27 SO THE SUBPOENA POWER WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY OF KEY WEST
11:54:30 ORGANIZATION AND THE CITY OF MAIM'S ORGANIZATION AS A
11:54:34 PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF THE INVESTIGATIVE FUNCTION
11:54:37 AND MODEL THAT WAS BEING CREATED BY THAT PARTICULAR
11:54:40 FACILITY, AND THE VOTERS MADE THE DECISION ESSENTIALLY TO
11:54:43 CREATE A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR BOARD.
11:54:48 AND THE CITY OF MIAMI AND THE CITY OF KEY WEST, THE
11:54:51 ACTUAL BOARD MEMBERS ARE VOLUNTEERS JUST LIKE THEY ARE
11:54:54 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:54:55 HOWEVER, THE INVESTIGATIVE FUNCTION ESSENTIALLY IS
11:55:00 ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, AND IN MIAMI THAT FUNCTION IS CARRIED
11:55:02 OUT BY SIX DIFFERENT MEMBERS, SIX INDEPENDENT STAFF.
11:55:07 IN MIAMI THAT WOULD BE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AN
11:55:10 ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY, TWO
11:55:13 INVESTIGATORS, AN ANALYST, AND AN EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT.
11:55:17 AND IN MIAMI THE BUDGET AT THIS TIME, THE ANNUAL BUDGET
11:55:22 FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI IS $1.2 MILLION.
11:55:27 AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
11:55:29 WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATIVE FUNCTION,
11:55:31 IT CREATES A DEPARTMENT THAT WILL INTAKE COMPLAINTS, IT
11:55:37 WILL INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS, IT ALSO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE
11:55:41 FORWARDING COMPLAINTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE
11:55:43 SURE THAT IT'S IN LINE WITH THE OFFICERS' BILL OF RIGHTS,
11:55:47 DISCIPLINE ACTION THAT IS TO BE TAKEN AS A RESULT OF THIS
11:55:49 COMPLAINT, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS FUNDING.
11:55:52 AND THE VOTERS NEED -- IT'S A CONSIDERATION FOR THE
11:55:55 VOTERS.
11:55:56 BUT RIGHT IN AND OUT THE CITY OF MIAMI STARTED WITH A
11:55:58 BUDGET BACK IN 2001 WHEN THIS MODEL WAS CREATED THAT WAS
11:56:02 SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
11:56:04 AND AT THIS POINT, AS OF 2017, THE CITY COMMISSION IN
11:56:11 MIAMI DID AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE MINIMUM FUNDING FOR
11:56:15 THEIR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE PANEL, SO IT IS NOT A
11:56:19 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, IT IS A -- EXCUSE ME, CIVILIAN
11:56:23 INVESTIGATIVE PANEL IS $1.2 MILLION.
11:56:26 AND THAT'S THE MINIMUM FUNDING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THAT
11:56:29 BOARD SINCE 2017.
11:56:31 SO THE CITY OF KEY WEST, THEY ALSO HAVE INDEPENDENT STAFF
11:56:35 WHICH CONSISTS OF A DIRECTOR, AN ATTORNEY, AND THEY CAN
11:56:40 HIRE AS NEEDED INVESTIGATORS FOR THEIR INVESTIGATIVE
11:56:43 POWERS OR PROCESS.
11:56:45 BUT THAT'S ALSO FUNDED BY THE CITY OF KEY WEST, TO THE
11:56:48 TUNE AT LEAST $100,000 ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
11:56:52 I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE KEEP SPECIFICALLY HARPING ON
11:56:56 SUBPOENA POWER, IT'S JUST ONE THING.
11:56:58 SUBPOENA POWER IS A PART OF A DEPARTMENT OR A MODEL THAT
11:57:03 WAS CREATED BY VOTERS IN EACH OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS.
11:57:07 THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID ON THIS ISSUE LED US TO THE
11:57:10 CHARTER AS BEING THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF WHETHER OR NOT A
11:57:15 CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE AN INDEPENDENT DEPARTMENT
11:57:20 THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE CITY AND/OR POLICE
11:57:23 DEPARTMENT, GIVE IT INDEPENDENT STAFF, CREATE A BUDGET
11:57:26 FOR IT, AND GIVE IT SUBPOENA POWER.
11:57:28 THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER IN WHETHER OR NOT THOSE
11:57:30 THINGS CAN OCCUR.
11:57:32 AND AGAIN THESE JURISDICTIONS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
11:57:35 AS MODELS WERE CREATED BY VOTER REFERENDUM AND A CHANGE
11:57:39 TO THEIR CHARTER.
11:57:42 WE ALSO HAVE -- WE HAVE A SLIDE FOR YOU THAT WILL SAY
11:57:49 WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE CHARTER.
11:57:51 BUT FOR THE CITY OF KEY WEST IT'S LOCATED IN THEIR
11:57:53 CHARTER AT SECTION 1.07.
11:57:56 FOR THE CITY OF MIAMI IT'S LOCATED IN THEIR CHARTER AT
11:57:59 SECTION 51 OF THEIR CHARTER.
11:58:02 SO ESSENTIALLY, THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED IS
11:58:06 THAT THE MODEL ITSELF IS -- THE INVESTIGATIVE MODEL
11:58:09 ITSELF IS ONE THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
11:58:14 AND SO WHEN YOU ARE CONSIDERING THIS ISSUE OF SUBPOENA
11:58:17 POWER, THE BIGGER ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE
11:58:20 CREATING A DEPARTMENT THAT WILL NEED TO BE FUNDED THAT
11:58:23 HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OF THIS CITY.
11:58:33 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
11:58:35 GOING BACK TO OUR SLIDE PRESENTATION, AGAIN, I DID NOT
11:58:41 WANT OUR DISCUSSION THIS MORNING TO TALK AS MUCH ABOUT
11:58:45 WHAT CANNOT BE DONE SUCH AS SUBPOENA POWERS AS MUCH AS I
11:58:48 WANTED TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE ARE DOING.
11:58:50 AND AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON
11:58:54 THE FACT THAT I THINK EVERYONE INVOLVED, ADMINISTRATION,
11:58:59 EVEN THE PUBLIC, BASED ON THEIR COMMENTS THIS MORNING,
11:59:02 ALL HAVE THE COMMON GOALS OF IMPROVING THE PUBLIC TRUST
11:59:06 AND CONFIDENCE IN TPD AND DOING IT THROUGH THE CRB,
11:59:11 THROUGH THE EDUCATION PROCESS, EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT
11:59:16 THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF TPD OFFICERS, AND THEN
11:59:20 ALSO ALLOWING THE CRB TO EVALUATE THE STANDARDS AND
11:59:23 REGULATIONS UNDER WHICH OFFICERS HAVE TO OPERATE AS WE
11:59:28 THINK THE AMENDMENT ALSO GIVES TPD A LOT MORE
11:59:33 TRANSPARENCY, IT ALLOWS THE CRB TO HAVE MORE OF AN EYE ON
11:59:39 THE OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY IN
11:59:42 THE AREA OF COMPLAINTS IN HIRING IN DISCIPLINE, AND SO IN
11:59:47 THIS WAY THE CRB HAS THAT KIND OF OVERSIGHT THAT -- AND
11:59:51 THE PUBLIC HAS THE SAME OVERSIGHT THAT THE CRB HAS, TO BE
11:59:56 EXACTLY WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:59:59 SO IF WE COULD GO TO, YES, THIS SLIDE.
12:00:02 I THINK THIS SLIDE SHOWS VERY GRAPHICALLY WHAT IT IS THAT
12:00:08 WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
12:00:09 YOU CAN SEE IT'S A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING DUTIES
12:00:12 OF THE CRB AND THE PROPOSED DUTIES OF THE CRB.
12:00:17 AND I HEARD SEVERAL SPEAKERS SAY THAT THE CURRENT CRB IS
12:00:23 A, QUOTE, DO-NOTHING BOARD.
12:00:25 I THINK THAT THE POWERS THEY DO CURRENTLY HAVE ARE
12:00:30 SIGNIFICANT, AND THAT THEY CAN REVIEW AT THEIR DESIRE
12:00:34 ISSUES OF IMPORTANCE OR INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY, AND
12:00:37 MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:00:39 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED DUTIES, ESPECIALLY THE
12:00:42 FIRST FOUR, WE ARE -- THESE PROPOSALS THAT WE ARE ASKING
12:00:47 YOU TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY, THESE PROPOSALS ARE
12:00:51 SUBSTANTIAL ENHANCEMENTS TO CRB'S ABILITY TO EVALUATE,
12:00:57 OVERSEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND SUBSTANTIAL
12:01:00 ENHANCEMENTS TO THE CRB'S AUTHORITY.
12:01:03 OUR INTENT, AND ACTUALLY FRANKLY OUR EXPECTATIONS WAS
12:01:08 THAT COUNCIL WOULD EMBRACE THESE CHANGES.
12:01:11 AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THAT EXPECTATION IS WHEN YOU
12:01:14 COMPARE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE REST OF THE CRBS
12:01:19 ACROSS THE STATE -- NEXT SLIDE -- YOU WILL SEE THE CRB
12:01:33 THAT WE PROPOSE TO CREATE WILL HAVE MORE AUTHORITY, IN
12:01:36 CERTAIN RESPECTS, THAN EVEN THE MIAMI AND KEY WEST REVIEW
12:01:41 BOARDS THAT WERE CREATED BY CHARTER.
12:01:44 AND I WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU WILL SEE THE FIRST COLUMN IS
12:01:48 THE TAMPA CURRENTLY, THE CRB.
12:01:51 THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE PROPOSED.
12:01:53 AND THEN IT'S COMPARED TO MIAMI, KEY WEST, ORLANDO, AND
12:01:58 ST. PETERSBURG.
12:02:00 AND YOU WILL SEE THERE ARE MANY FEWER GREEN CHECKS AS FAR
12:02:04 AS THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THESE OTHER BOARDS THAN YOU
12:02:07 WOULD HAVE UNDER THE PROPOSAL FOR THE TAMPA CRB.
12:02:11 WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE
12:02:15 MAYOR OR TO THE CHIEF.
12:02:18 THEY WOULD HAVE, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, INVOLVEMENT IN
12:02:23 THE ENTER VIEW AND HIRING PROCESS.
12:02:26 THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE MIAMI CRB, NOR THE KEY
12:02:30 WEST, AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE BOARDS THAT WERE CREATED BY
12:02:34 CHARTER.
12:02:37 BEING INVOLVED IN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON DISCIPLINE
12:02:41 AS AN OFFICER AFTER THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION
12:02:44 HAS BEEN COMPLETED, IS ANOTHER ENHANCEMENT TO THE CRB
12:02:49 POWERS BEING PROPOSED.
12:02:51 AGAIN, NEITHER THE MIAMI OR KEY WEST MODELS HAVE THAT
12:02:55 SAME AUTHORITY.
12:02:58 AND COMPLAINT TRACKING, THAT'S ALSO, I THINK, IMPORTANT
12:03:02 IN THE RESPECT THAT IT ALLOWS CRB TO MONITOR THE
12:03:08 COMPLAINTS AS THEY WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
12:03:12 AND NEITHER MAIM NOR KEY WEATHER HAS A COMPLAINT TRACKING
12:03:16 SYSTEM THAT THEIR REVIEW BOARD IS INVOLVED WITH.
12:03:20 THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT THEY DO HAVE IS THAT THE CITY
12:03:26 CRB DOES NOT CURRENTLY PUT ARREST AND SUBPOENA POWER IN
12:03:31 INDEPENDENT STAFF.
12:03:32 HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE INDEPENDENT STAFF AND
12:03:37 SUBPOENA POWER, ALL THEY DO IN THE END IS SIMPLY
12:03:41 REPLICATE THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION.
12:03:45 AND IN THE END, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR FINDING IS,
12:03:49 NEITHER OF THOSE BOARDS CAN DO ANYTHING MORE THAN MAKE A
12:03:52 RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR OR THE CHIEF REGARDING THE
12:03:55 INVESTIGATION.
12:03:56 AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS' BILL OF
12:04:01 RIGHTS.
12:04:02 SO THE CITY OF MIAMI AS YOU SAW IS BUDGETED A MILLION --
12:04:07 $1,200,000 STAFF, IT'S CRB HAS INDEPENDENT STAFF AND
12:04:14 INVESTIGATIVE POWERS, SUBPOENA POWERS.
12:04:17 BUT IN THE END, THE RESULTS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE
12:04:20 ARE PROPOSING WITH THE TAMPA CRB, WHICH IS A
12:04:24 RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
12:04:29 SO WE BELIEVE WITH THESE CHANGES, THE CITY WILL, AS YOU
12:04:33 CAN SEE HERE, HAVE ONE OF THEIR BEST CRBs IN THE STATE
12:04:37 OF FLORIDA.
12:04:38 WE THINK THAT THESE PROPOSALS PROVIDE THE CRB WITH
12:04:42 MEANINGFUL AUTHORITY.
12:04:45 BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT AND REQUIRES
12:04:49 THAT WE BALANCE THAT AUTHORITY WITH RESPECT TO OFFICERS,
12:04:54 POLICE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS, AND ALSO TO RESPECT THE
12:04:57 OFFICERS' RIGHTS IN THE INVESTIGATIVE AND DISCIPLINARY
12:05:01 PROCESS.
12:05:02 SO WE BELIEVE WE STRUCK THE RIGHT BALANCE WITH RESPECT TO
12:05:05 BOTH OF THOSE GOALS IN GIVING THE CRB MEANINGFUL
12:05:09 AUTHORITY BUT ALSO RESPECTING THE RIGHTS OF OFFICERS.
12:05:12 SO NEXT SLIDE.
12:05:15 THESE ARE THE NEXT STEPS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WOULD
12:05:17 HAVE TO BE TAKEN, WHICH IS IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE
12:05:22 ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT THAT WE PROPOSE AND THE CHANGES WITH
12:05:27 THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS THAT WE PROPOSE, WE WOULD
12:05:29 REVISE THE CRB ORDINANCE, AND WE WOULD ALSO REVISE AND
12:05:35 CONFORM CRB EXECUTIVE ORDER ISSUED BY THE MAYOR.
12:05:39 AND AS YOU SEE FROM THE REST OF THIS LIST, THERE'S A LOT
12:05:42 OF WORK THAT MUST BE DONE IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THESE
12:05:48 CHANGES, AND THAT'S WHY WE PROPOSE AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF
12:05:52 FEBRUARY 2021 FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE MEASURES.
12:05:58 WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SUCH TASKS AS DEVELOP A SCHEDULE FOR
12:06:04 APPOINTMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS, AND THOSE WOULD BE
12:06:06 THE TWO ADDITIONAL MEMBERS THAT COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO
12:06:10 IMMEDIATELY APPOINT.
12:06:11 WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP THE SCHEDULE FOR COMMUNITY
12:06:14 MEETINGS AND HOLDING THOSE MEETINGS IN EACH OF THE FOUR
12:06:21 COUNCIL MEMBERS SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS.
12:06:23 WE WOULD HAVE TO -- AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF
12:06:26 THE ROLE CRB IS GOING TO HAVE.
12:06:28 BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP A TRAINING CURRICULUM FOR
12:06:30 THE FIRST YEAR BECAUSE THE CRB IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE
12:06:35 EDUCATED ON TPD'S HIRING PROCESS, ON TPD'S DISCIPLINE
12:06:41 PROCESS, AND ALSO ON THE SOP.
12:06:47 WE ALSO, IN THIS TIME FRAME BETWEEN NOW AND FEBRUARY,
12:06:51 WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH THE TPD INTERVIEW PANEL AND
12:06:56 CREATE A ROTATION SYSTEM THAT WAS ACCESSIBLE TO THE CRB.
12:07:00 WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO ESTABLISH A MONTHLY COMPLAINT
12:07:03 REPORTING AND TRACKING SYSTEM, SO THAT COMPLAINTS AS THEY
12:07:09 COME IN WOULD BE SEQUENTIALLY NUMBERED AND THERE WOULD BE
12:07:12 A METHOD BY WHICH THE STATUS OF THOSE COMPLAINTS COULD BE
12:07:16 MONITORED.
12:07:17 AGAIN, ALSO, IF ANY COMPLAINTS ARE DIRECTLY FILED WITH
12:07:21 THE CRB, WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE A PROCESS FOR THE INTAKE
12:07:25 OF THOSE COMPLAINTS AND HOW THOSE COMPLAINTS WOULD BE
12:07:27 MOVED ON TO THE DEPARTMENT FOR REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION
12:07:33 AS APPROPRIATE.
12:07:34 AND THEN LASTLY, WE WOULD HAVE TO CREATE THE CRB WEBSITE,
12:07:38 AND PUBLISH THOSE LINKS, AND HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION
12:07:43 AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
12:07:46 SO IN THE END, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS A MOTION FROM
12:07:51 COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDMENTS AS WE
12:07:55 PRESENTED THEM TODAY.
12:07:58 AND WOULD ALSO COMMIT TO WORKING AGAIN WITH THE ACLU, AND
12:08:06 WITH THE PBA REGARDING SOME ADDITIONAL LIMITED REVISIONS
12:08:11 THAT THEY HAVE ASKED US TO MAKE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN
12:08:18 DISTRIBUTED.
12:08:18 SO AGAIN, THOSE TWO ISSUES WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH
12:08:23 THE PROPOSED, AND THEN BEING WILLING TO WORK WITH THE
12:08:27 ACLU AND THE PBA REGARDING SPECIFIC MODIFICATIONS TO THE
12:08:35 DRAFT ORDINANCE.
12:08:36 ALSO JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE CRB CHAIR, FIELD, IS
12:08:42 HERE THIS MORNING ON THE LINE AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS
12:08:44 WELL AS THE PBA PRESIDENT, DARLA, WHO WOULD LIKE TO
12:08:49 ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS TOPIC.
12:08:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:53 BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, SPEAKERS, LET'S
12:08:58 GO TO DARLA FROM PBA AND THEN THE CHAIR OF CRB AND THEN
12:09:04 TAKE QUESTIONS.
12:09:05 >> THIS IS DARLA PORTMAN WITH THE TAMPA PBA, ALSO HERE
12:09:10 WITH THE FLORIDA PBA. I'VE GOT EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MATT
12:09:12 PUCKETT, ALSO GOT ATTORNEY JEFF STALLING, STEPHANIE
12:09:14 WEBSTER.
12:09:15 I WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THE CRB THE WAY IT IS
12:09:19 NOW HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
12:09:21 AND THE WAY THAT THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING IT NOW GIVES THEM
12:09:24 MORE POWER.
12:09:25 I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT BUT I AM OKAY WITH IT.
12:09:28 THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LIST OUR CONCERNS,
12:09:32 AND HAVE TO DO WITH OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS AND SOME OF
12:09:35 THE OFFICIAL QUALIFICATIONS.
12:09:37 BUDGET FOR THE MOST PART I THINK WE HAVE COME TO A GOOD
12:09:40 COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHAT ACLU WANTED AND WHAT THE CITY
12:09:44 WANTED.
12:09:45 TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE.
12:09:47 I AM GOING TO LET MATT PUCKETT SPEAK TO SOME OF THE
12:09:51 QUALIFICATIONS AND THE REASON WHY WE HAVE CONCERN FOR
12:09:54 THAT.
12:09:54 >> THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
12:09:55 I'M MATT PUCKETT, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FLORIDA
12:09:57 POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION.
12:10:00 I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
12:10:02 ONE, I HAVE ALWAYS KIND OF HELD UP THE CITY OF TAMPA AS A
12:10:05 CROWN JEWEL FOR HOW THEY TREAT THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
12:10:08 HOW THEY RESPECT THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
12:10:12 I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING IN CITIES AND COUNTIES ALL
12:10:16 THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT TAMPA
12:10:18 REALLY WAS EXEMPLARY IN THAT REGARD.
12:10:20 SO I'M A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK BY THIS MOVE TO ENHANCE THE
12:10:26 POWERS OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD WHEN WE HAVE ONE IN
12:10:31 PLACE.
12:10:31 THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:10:33 AND THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE A BIT OF A POWER GRAB, IN MY
12:10:36 OPINION. TAKE THAT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
12:10:39 IF YOU LOOK AT THE QUALIFICATIONS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
12:10:41 HAVE ANYBODY WHO EVER WORKED WITH THE TAMPA POLICE
12:10:44 DEPARTMENT SERVE ON THIS.
12:10:46 YOU ARE GOING TO PUT THE CITIZENS THROUGH THE TAMPA
12:10:48 CITIZENS ACADEMY, AND YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE THAT
12:10:51 THEY DO RIDE-ALONGS, AND BASICALLY LOOKS LIKE 27 HOURS
12:10:58 WORTH OF RIDE-ALONGS.
12:11:00 SO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITHIN THE
12:11:02 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU
12:11:04 DON'T WANT ANYBODY THAT EVER WORKED FOR TAMPA ON THERE OR
12:11:06 ANY CURRENT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
12:11:09 YET WE SKIP DOWN ON PAGE 4 UNDER QUALIFICATIONS, AND IF
12:11:13 YOU HAVE BEEN ARRESTED OUTSIDE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS, OR
12:11:17 YOU SUED A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OUTSIDE THE LAST TWO
12:11:20 YEARS, YOU CAN SERVE ON THE BOARD.
12:11:22 I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF BEING WRITTEN FOR AN
12:11:27 INDIVIDUAL.
12:11:27 I THINK THAT SHOULD BE STRICKEN FROM THIS.
12:11:30 I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO PUT SOMEBODY ON THIS CRB THAT
12:11:34 MAYBE HAS A BIT OF AN AX TO GRIND.
12:11:36 AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE OBJECTIVE.
12:11:38 AND WE ARE HERE TO TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
12:11:40 I DON'T THINK THAT DOES THAT.
12:11:41 YOU HAVE 400,000 CITIZENS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
12:11:44 I THINK YOU CAN FIND SOME QUALIFIED PEOPLE OF THAT CAN
12:11:47 SERVE ON THIS BOARD THAT DON'T HAVE AN ARREST OR HAVE
12:11:50 BEEN PARTY OF A LITIGATION AGAINST AN OFFICER.
12:11:54 SO THAT'S MY OPINION AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
12:11:57 FLORIDA PBA.
12:11:58 I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING MY COMMENTS.
12:12:00 I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER.
12:12:03 >> AND TO FOLLOW THE POSSIBILITY OF A CONFLICT WITH
12:12:08 CHAPTER 112 OF FLORIDA STATE STATUTES, OFFICERS BILL OF
12:12:11 RIGHTS.
12:12:12 >> GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.
12:12:17 THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, I AM LOOKING AT SUBSECTION F-5.
12:12:23 THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAVE THERE SOUND GOOD.
12:12:28 MY POSITION THAT IT JUST DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.
12:12:31 IT DOESN'T ADDRESS WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS A CONFLICT.
12:12:36 SO THE PROVISIONS OF THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE, ARE THEY
12:12:45 GOING TO BE SUPERCEDED BY THESE, THE LAWS IN SUBSECTION
12:12:53 5?
12:12:54 WHO DECIDES IF THERE'S A CONFLICT?
12:12:56 IF SOMEBODY -- IS SOMEBODY GOING TO HAVE TO FILE FOR AN
12:13:00 INJUNCTION?
12:13:01 ARE WE GOING TO END UP IN COURT OVER SUSPECTED CONFLICT?
12:13:06 SO I HAVE THAT CONCERN.
12:13:07 I JUST THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO GO FURTHER.
12:13:12 I SHARED A LOT OF MY OTHER CONCERNS WITH THE CITY
12:13:17 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YESTERDAY, AND I THINK THEY ARE WELL
12:13:21 AWARE OF THEM, AND GINA CAN SHARE THE ONES THAT THEY
12:13:27 THINK ARE RELEVANT WITH YOU.
12:13:31 BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF THESE
12:13:36 COMPLAINTS AS WELL.
12:13:41 THE POLICE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS MAKES IT CLEAR THAT
12:13:46 THE CONTENTS OF AN INVESTIGATION, OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS
12:13:53 INVESTIGATION, NEEDS TO REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL, AND I AM
12:13:56 CONCERNED ABOUT THE SHARING OF INFORMATION WHILE THESE
12:14:00 CASES ARE STILL PENDING WITH THE COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD.
12:14:02 I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THEM SHARING IT WITH THEM
12:14:05 AFTER THE CASES ARE NO LONGER PENDING.
12:14:08 BUT ESPECIALLY IN A SOCIETY, OFFICERS ARE IN DANGER,
12:14:16 OFFICERS ARE BEING SHOT, AND COMPLAINTS ABOUT OFFICERS
12:14:21 THAT MAY NOT BE VALID BEING MADE PUBLIC PUTS OFFICERS IN
12:14:26 DANGER.
12:14:27 AND THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION BEING SHARED WITH THE
12:14:30 PUBLIC.
12:14:33 IT'S VERY CONCERNING.
12:14:34 >> THIS IS DARLA AGAIN.
12:14:38 MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS ACLU TALKS ABOUT HOW THE STATUTE
12:14:42 4-B OF 112 SAYS THAT IT'S -- 112.533.
12:14:51 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
12:14:53 THEY SAID A MISDEMEANOR CAN'T BE HELD, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
12:14:57 SO BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL THEN WHAT PIECE DO WE HAVE FOR
12:15:01 A CRB CHAIRMAN OR ANY OF THE CRB BOARD NOT TO GO AND
12:15:07 DISCLOSE ALL THAT INFORMATION ABOUT A POLICE OFFICER TO
12:15:10 THE MEDIA, TO THE FAMILY, TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
12:15:14 THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN.
12:15:18 IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DISRUPT THE IA PROCESS.
12:15:22 WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM IN PLACE.
12:15:24 AND I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW FROM A UNION STANDPOINT
12:15:27 WE HAVE HAD 17 OFFICERS IN THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT THE
12:15:29 UNION HAS NOT WANTED TO ARBITRATE FOR OR TAKE TO CIVIL
12:15:34 SERVICE, TOLD THEM TO RESIGN, RETIRE, BECAUSE THEY WENT
12:15:37 OFF THE RESERVATION, THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE
12:15:40 SUPPOSED TO DO, TO UPHOLD THEIR OATH AS A POLICE OFFICER.
12:15:44 CHIEF DUGAN HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, MAYOR CASTOR AS CHIEF
12:15:48 AND MAYOR HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING RID OF OFFICERS
12:15:52 THAT JUST DON'T STICK.
12:15:53 AND WE OPENED UP WITH BODY WORN CAMERAS.
12:15:56 CITY COUNCIL SPENT $13 MILLION FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS.
12:16:00 I MADE THE OFFICER PUTS IT ON WHEN THEY ARE DISPATCHED
12:16:03 AND DON'T TURN IT OFF UNTIL THEY HAVE COME CLEAR OF THE
12:16:05 CALL OR GONE TO BOOKING.
12:16:07 JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SO TRANSPARENT THAT YOU
12:16:09 GUYS SEE THAT TPD IS AWESOME.
12:16:12 WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS.
12:16:14 BECAUSE FOUR SHOOTINGS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, HAVE BEEN
12:16:20 CLEARED BY THE STATE ATTORNEY HAVE BEEN CLEARED BY THE
12:16:22 DEPARTMENT.
12:16:22 WE HAVE ALSO GONE AS FAR AS LET FDOE, BECAUSE OF
12:16:28 TRANSPARENCY.
12:16:29 YOU DON'T WANT IN-HOUSE TO DO IT ANYMORE, YOU WANT
12:16:31 ANOTHER AGENCY TO DO IT AND GIVEN IT TO FDLE.
12:16:36 I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE THERE IS TO GIVE.
12:16:37 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE MAYOR'S POLICY
12:16:40 IS WAY BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE, AND WE
12:16:44 ARE PRETTY GOOD WITH MOST OF IT BUT THERE ARE JUST
12:16:46 CERTAIN LITTLE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TWEAKED.
12:16:49 I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
12:16:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:17:01 >> POINT OF ORDER.
12:17:02 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA, IF I MAY.
12:17:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:17:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
12:17:08 I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STILL ON THE LINE, BUT MR. SHAW
12:17:11 FROM THE ACLU, MR. BENJAMIN, BUT SPECIFICALLY, IF MR.
12:17:19 SHAW IS STILL ON THE LINE, I THINK AS A MATTER OF
12:17:22 FAIRNESS WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM.
12:17:26 MRS. GRIMES PUT OUT A VERY COMPREHENSIVE CASE.
12:17:29 AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A NICE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
12:17:35 REPRESENTATIVES TO SPEAK AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW
12:17:38 MR. BEN SHAW, THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT.
12:17:43 SO IF HE'S ON THE LINE.
12:17:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE EITHER ONE ON THE LINE STILL?
12:17:53 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK BOTH OF THEM ALREADY SPOKE THIS
12:17:58 MORNING UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:18:05 IN YOUR MOTION YOU INVITED THE PBA.
12:18:08 THAT'S WHY THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
12:18:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCILMAN'S MOTION, ALL THE GREAT
12:18:19 STUFF WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
12:18:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
12:18:26 WE ALSO HAVE THE CHAIR OF THE CRB STILL ON THE LINE?
12:18:32 >> YES.
12:18:40 THIS IS RASHEED ALI AQUIL, CHAIRMAN OF THE CITIZEN'S
12:18:44 REVIEW BOARD.
12:18:46 GREETINGS TO ALL.
12:18:47 AND TODAY, I EXPRESS MY OWN OPINION.
12:18:49 IT HAS NO REFLECTION UPON THE BOARD IT HAS NO REFLECTION
12:18:54 ON THE BOARD.
12:18:55 I WOULD BEGIN AT THIS WORKSHOP BEING VERY EDUCATIONAL.
12:18:59 I THINK IT'S GREAT.
12:19:03 IN THAT ALL THE LIKE MINDS ARE STILL TRYING TO REACH A
12:19:07 COMMON GOAL, WHICH WAS THE CRB TO CLOSE THE GAP WITH THE
12:19:13 COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT TO CREATE A MOST
12:19:18 TRUSTWORTHY RELATIONSHIP TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
12:19:22 SO THE PURPOSE, WHICH IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE IS
12:19:27 SAFETY.
12:19:28 WE HAVE TO HAVE PARTICIPANTS OF RESIDENTS.
12:19:32 SO IN THAT RESPECT, I WAS ABLE TO INGEST ALL OF IT AND
12:19:40 MOVING FORWARD I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROPOSAL, I THINK
12:19:43 IT'S A GREAT ENHANCEMENT IN MOVING FORWARD.
12:19:47 OF COURSE, THE COMMUNITY ALSO SUPPORTS TRANSPARENCY, AND
12:19:52 OF THE PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, MAYOR BOB BUCKHORN, THAT WAS
12:19:57 ONE OF HIS IMPORTANCE TO HELP CREATE THE CRB.
12:20:03 SO I AM VERY GRATEFUL TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
12:20:06 I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED THE QUESTION, AND I
12:20:11 BELIEVE WE ARE RESPONDING IN A MANNER THAT'S NEEDED.
12:20:17 SO I APPLAUD THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.
12:20:22 I UNDERSTAND THINGS WORKED OUT WITH THE EDUCATION PART
12:20:27 AND TRAINING.
12:20:29 I'M VERY CONFIDENT AS THE EXISTING BOARD, ALL MEMBERS
12:20:36 TOOK AN OATH, AND WE ABIDE BY THAT OATH, AND WE ALSO
12:20:39 SUPPORT THE CODE OF ETHICS.
12:20:41 SO MOVING FORWARD, I BELIEVE, IN MY OPINION, THIS WILL BE
12:20:46 ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WILL BE EAGERLY READY TO
12:20:50 PARTICIPATE IN.
12:20:52 AND THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, IT MAY BE -- IT MAY NOT BE.
12:21:02 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.
12:21:05 THE PEOPLE ARE WAITING.
12:21:07 AND I WANT TO BEGIN SOME FORM OF ACTION TO START THE
12:21:11 HEALING PROCESS, TO REKINDLE THAT TRUST SO WE CAN MOVE
12:21:16 FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY.
12:21:18 SO I'M THINKING AS THE CHAIR AND SPEAKING IN MY OWN
12:21:21 OPINION, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROPOSAL, ESPECIALLY IN
12:21:27 REFERENCE TO THE PARTICIPATING, THE HIRING PROCESS, BEING
12:21:31 ABLE TO TRACK COMPLAINTS, AND I MUST APPLAUD TPD, IN THE
12:21:37 PAST, CHIEF DUGAN, EVERY REQUEST THAT THE CITIZEN REVIEW
12:21:41 BOARD HAS ASKED HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
12:21:44 SO THEY HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE.
12:21:46 AND I BELIEVE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUES TO BE
12:21:53 SUPPORTIVE, AND AS LONG AS WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, WE CAN
12:21:55 ACHIEVE THE COMMON GOAL OF CREATING THAT BRIDGE, CLOSING
12:22:00 THAT BRIDGE BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.
12:22:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:22:07 AND WE DO HAVE MR. SHAW ON THE LINE.
12:22:11 THEY WERE MUTED.
12:22:12 IF WE COULD UNMUTE THEM.
12:22:16 WHOEVER WANTS TO BE FIRST.
12:22:19 THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE SPEAKERS.
12:22:20 AND THEN WE WILL GO TO COUNCIL.
12:22:22 >> THIS IS SHAW.
12:22:27 I WAS MUTED.
12:22:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:22:31 >> THANK YOU.
12:22:32 I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO THE ARGUMENT THAT A CITY
12:22:35 CHARTER AMENDMENT IS NECESSARY.
12:22:37 IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT MIAMI AND KEY WEST BOTH AMENDED
12:22:41 THEIR CHARTERS.
12:22:42 THEY BOTH HAD VERY SPECIFIC REASONS FOR DOING SO THAT WAS
12:22:45 VERY SPECIFIC TO THOSE TWO CITIES.
12:22:47 IN THE MEMO THAT WE CIRCULATED TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS,
12:22:51 WE POINTED OUT THAT THE CITY, ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES
12:22:56 WITHIN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY WERE CARVED OUT OF THE HOME RULE
12:23:00 POWERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THE MUNICIPALITIES BY THE 1968
12:23:04 CONSTITUTION, UNDER ARTICLE 8, SECTION 6-C OF THE
12:23:08 CONSTITUTION, IT SAYS EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR MUNICIPALITIES
12:23:12 WITHIN MIAMI HAVE THESE HOME RULE BOYARS TO DO WHATEVER
12:23:15 THE LEGISLATURE CAN AS WELL AS ESTABLISH THAT THE
12:23:18 LEGISLATURE CAN CREATE A BODY INVESTED WITH SUBPOENA
12:23:22 POWER.
12:23:23 BUT MAIM COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THAT PROVISION.
12:23:25 THAT PROVISION REQUIRED TO THE AMEND ITS CHARTER TO DO
12:23:27 SO, SO IT HAD TO DO THAT.
12:23:29 BUT THAT WAS A PROBLEM THAT MIAMI HAD THAT TAMPA DID NOT.
12:23:33 KEY WEST ALSO AMENDED ITS CHARTER BUT AGAIN IT HAD VERY
12:23:36 SPECIFIC REASONS FOR DOING SO THAT WERE POLITICAL, AT THE
12:23:39 TIME THEN MAYOR JIMMY WEEKLY AND SENATOR MANAGER RUBIO
12:23:44 RAFAEL AND POLICE CHIEF DILLON HAD HISTORICAL OPPOSITION
12:23:48 TO HAVING A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
12:23:52 AND THE KEY WEST POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS OUT OF CONTROL AT
12:23:56 THE TIME AROUND EARLY 2000.
12:23:58 THERE WERE SEVERAL HIGH PROFILE INCIDENTS.
12:24:00 BUT THE REASON THAT IT WAS DONE IS BECAUSE THE KEY WEST
12:24:04 CITY COUNCIL LACKED THE WILL TO DO WHAT THE PEOPLE OF KEY
12:24:07 WEST WANTED IT TO DO, AND THEY HAD TO KIND OF AN
12:24:11 EMBARRASSING MANEUVER USE THIS PROVISION IN THEIR CHARTER
12:24:15 THAT ALLOWED FOR A CHARTER, A LAW BY CHARTER AMENDMENT,
12:24:20 BECAUSE OF A LACK OF POLITICAL WILL, NOT BECAUSE OF A
12:24:22 LACK OF POWER TO DO IT.
12:24:24 SO IT IS WELL ESTABLISHED IN FLORIDA LAW THAT HOME RULE
12:24:29 POWERS INCLUDES THE POWER TO CREATE AN ADMINISTRATIVE
12:24:32 BOARD, THERE'S AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION, GOOGLING
12:24:40 7511, AND THE CITY OF CLERK POSED THIS QUESTION TO THE
12:24:45 THEN ATTORNEY GENERAL, CAN WE CREATE A BOARD AND GIVE IT
12:24:49 SUBPOENA POWER?
12:24:50 I DID READ THE CITY ATTORNEY'S 24-PAGE MEMO.
12:24:53 ATTORNEYS DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER ALL THE TIME, AND
12:24:56 REGRETFULLY I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH FELLOW BAR MEMBERS AS
12:25:00 TO DISTINCTION THAT WAS DRAWN THAT SAYS, YEAH, WELL, THAT
12:25:04 WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD, AND THIS IS NOT AN
12:25:06 ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD.
12:25:08 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION 75-11, IT
12:25:13 DOES NOT SAY, THE ONLY REASON CLEARWATER CAN DO THIS IS
12:25:17 BECAUSE IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD; IF IT WASN'T AN
12:25:20 ADMINISTRATIVE BOARD THEN I COULDN'T THAT.
12:25:22 THAT JUST ISN'T SO.
12:25:23 I WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THIS.
12:25:26 THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS YOU DO HAVE THE POWER TO DO THIS.
12:25:30 WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LACK OF POWER AND
12:25:32 LACK OF WILL.
12:25:33 AND HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS
12:25:37 IS A LITTLE BIT OF PARANOIA AND HYSTERIA THAT SUBPOENA
12:25:42 POWER WOULD BE A WAY TO ABUSE OFFICERS, AND THAT'S NOT
12:25:48 EVEN ON THE MENU.
12:25:49 THE REASON IT NEEDS TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER IS SO IT CAN
12:25:52 GET SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE AND DOCUMENTS AND TESTIMONY FROM
12:25:55 LAY WITNESSES WHO MIGHT BE RELUCTANT TO GIVE THAT
12:25:58 TESTIMONY.
12:25:58 THAT'S THE REASON THAT IT NEEDS TO EXIST AND THE REASON
12:26:00 THAT IT CAN'T REALLY BE EFFECTIVE WITHOUT THAT.
12:26:03 SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT.
12:26:05 AND I KIND OF DON'T LIKE THE SUPPOSITION THAT WE NEED TO
12:26:09 PRESUME THAT CRB MEMBERS WOULD BE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AXES TO
12:26:13 GRIND.
12:26:13 THAT WAS WHAT THE KEY WEST CITY GOVERNMENT BELIEVED AT
12:26:16 THE TIME TOO.
12:26:17 IT DIDN'T PAN OUT.
12:26:18 IT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE IN MIAMI.
12:26:19 IT WON'T BE THE CASE IN TAMPA.
12:26:21 WE CAN TRUST THEM WITH THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY
12:26:23 WOULD NEED.
12:26:26 UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS I WILL PASS THE MIKE.
12:26:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT WE WILL HAVE -- THEN WE HAVE
12:26:33 THE FINAL SPEAKER, THE SPEAKER BY THE NAME OF CAMERON.
12:26:38 AND THAT IS IT FOR THE SPEAKERS.
12:26:39 THEN WE GO TO COUNCIL, MR. SHELBY, ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS
12:26:42 SIDE THAT WISHES TO RESPOND.
12:26:44 GO AHEAD.
12:26:45 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:26:47 I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE PROVISIONS TO THE -- RED
12:26:54 LINE PROVISIONS TO THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED ORDINANCE
12:26:56 LANGUAGE THAT WE SENT TO YOU THIS MORNING AND WE
12:26:59 INITIALLY SENT TO YOU ON AUGUST 31st.
12:27:02 AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND AND REQUEST THAT YOU
12:27:05 CONSIDER THE CHANGES THAT WE PROPOSED TO THAN THE
12:27:09 ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
12:27:11 AND JUST TO BRIEFLY GO OVER SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS WITH
12:27:14 RESPECT TO THE APPOINTMENTS OF MEMBERS OF THE CRB, WHAT
12:27:19 WE PROPOSE, AND THIS IS WHAT MIAMI HAS IN THIS MODEL,
12:27:24 THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD APPOINT A NOMINATING
12:27:27 COMMITTEE, AND THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE WOULD TAKE
12:27:31 APPLICATIONS AND RECRUIT POTENTIAL CRB MEMBERS FROM THE
12:27:36 COMMUNITIES, FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND
12:27:38 VET THOSE APPLICATIONS AND MAKE NOMINATIONS, AND THEN
12:27:42 EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD GET ONE APPOINTMENT, SO
12:27:45 THAT WOULD BE SEVEN, AND THE REMAINING FOUR APPOINTMENTS
12:27:49 WOULD BE FROM THE MAYOR.
12:27:50 SO WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO KIND
12:27:54 OF, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BRING THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS
12:27:58 FROM THE POLITICAL PROCESS BY HAVING A NOMINATING
12:28:00 COMMITTEE, PEOPLE LIKE RECRUITING AND VETTING AND MAKE
12:28:07 NOMINATIONS.
12:28:08 AND WITH RESPECT TO THE PIECE ABOUT INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY
12:28:13 HAVE HAD ARRESTS OR CONVICTIONS IN THE PAST, AND WHETHER
12:28:16 OR NOT THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO BE ON THE CRB OR IF ANYBODY
12:28:20 HAS EVER SUED THE CITY OF TAMPA OR THE TAMPA POLICE
12:28:23 DEPARTMENT, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE
12:28:27 CONSIDERED BY THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE AND BY CITY
12:28:30 COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE MAYOR, WHOEVER IS MAKING THE.
12:28:34 THAT'S CERTAINLY INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED
12:28:36 AND WEIGHED.
12:28:37 BUT WE ARE OPPOSED TO AN OUTRIGHT CATEGORICAL
12:28:42 DISQUALIFICATION IN THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE I THINK WE
12:28:46 THINK THAT IT'S A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND WE TRUST CITY
12:28:49 COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO MAKE -- TO DECIDE WHETHER TO
12:28:52 APPOINT SOMEONE WHEN THAT INFORMATION WANTS OTHER
12:28:57 INFORMATION ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL.
12:29:00 NOW, ANOTHER AREA THAT I KIND OF WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT
12:29:08 GINA TOUCHED ON AS WELL WITH RESPECT TO SUBPOENA POWER,
12:29:12 AND ON A RELATED NOTE, OUTSIDE THE SUBPOENA POWER, WE
12:29:15 THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE ARE VERY STRONG
12:29:19 PARAMETERS IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE FUTURE BY WHICH THE
12:29:22 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TO RESPOND TO REQUESTS FOR
12:29:25 INFORMATION FROM THE CRB.
12:29:27 WE APPRECIATE FROM WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THIS MEETING
12:29:31 THAT THE TPD HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE IN PROVIDING
12:29:34 REQUESTED INFORMATION, IT SOUND LIKE THUS FAR, BUT WE
12:29:37 RESPECTFULLY THINK THAT IN ORDER FOR THE CRB TO REALLY
12:29:41 TRULY HAVE THE PUBLIC TRUST AND EFFECTIVENESS THAT
12:29:47 RELYING ON THE GOOD FROTH FORTH OF THE TPD.
12:29:52 THERE SHOULD BE STRINGENT PROCEDURES ABOUT HOW THAT
12:29:54 REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TO THE TPD MUST BE RESPONDED TO
12:29:58 AND WE THINK THAT IF THERE'S ANY BASIS THAT THE TAMPA
12:30:01 POLICE DEPARTMENT THINKS LEGALLY IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO
12:30:05 PROVIDE REQUESTED INFORMATION, THEN THAT SHOULD BE
12:30:08 PROVIDED TO THE CRB IN WRITING.
12:30:09 AND THAT TIES BACK INTO WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE
12:30:14 IMPORTANCE OF HAVING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO BE ABLE TO
12:30:16 ADVISE THE CRB OF EFFICIENCY OF THAT NATURE COME UP.
12:30:25 SO I AM JUST GOING THROUGH OUR RED LINE CHANGES HERE.
12:30:29
12:30:33 WITH RESPECT TO THE PIECE ABOUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT
12:30:39 CAN CONFLICT WITH THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS AND STATE
12:30:42 LAW, THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE THE IMPORTANCE OF AN
12:30:46 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL COMES INTO PLAY AND THAT INDEPENDENT
12:30:49 COUNSEL WOULD BE ABLE TO ADVISE THE CRB ABOUT THE
12:30:51 PARAMETERS OF ITS POWERS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT DOESN'T
12:30:55 OVERSTEP THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS, THAT REALLY DON'T SEE
12:31:00 THE CONCERN THERE, THE WAY THAT WE DRAFTED THE LANGUAGE
12:31:03 IN OUR PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT PRETTY CLEAR THAT
12:31:07 THERE'S NO INTENT TO DO ANYTHING FOR THE CRB TO DO
12:31:11 ANYTHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE POLICE BILL OF RIGHTS OR
12:31:14 ANY OTHER STATE LAW.
12:31:16 AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT KIND OF WHAT
12:31:21 WAS SAID EARLIER, THAT IT'S ONE THING FOR THE CRB TO BE
12:31:26 ABLE TO REVIEW CLOSED FILES FROM PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS
12:31:30 BUREAU OR TO BE ABLE TO TAKE COMPLAINTS AND REVIEW
12:31:34 COMPLAINTS, AND WE THINK THAT'S CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT.
12:31:37 WE ALSO WANTS A CRB THAT CAN TAN PROACTIVE ACTION, AND
12:31:42 INVESTIGATE AND REVIEW ISSUES THAT ARE MORE LARGE SCALE.
12:31:46 FOR EXAMPLE, IN 2016 I WENT TO A CRB MEETING AND ONE OF
12:31:51 THE THINGS I ASKED WAS FOR THE CRB TO LOOK INTO THE TAMPA
12:31:55 POLICE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF STINGRAY TECHNOLOGY WHICH IS
12:31:58 SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY THAT I BELIEVE TAKES INFORMATION
12:32:01 FROM CELL PHONES.
12:32:02 AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS NEVER LOOKED INTO.
12:32:05 BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WOULD BE
12:32:10 THE ROLE OF THE CRB TO TAKE PROACTIVE ACTION AND
12:32:13 INVESTIGATING AND LOOKING INTO THINGS LIKE THAT, OUTSIDE
12:32:16 OF SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE THEM IN THE FORM OF A
12:32:19 COMPLAINT OR AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS FILE.
12:32:22 SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DO THAT EFFECTIVELY THEY NEED TO
12:32:25 BE ABLE TO DO INVESTIGATION AND INDEPENDENTLY COLLECT
12:32:30 INFORMATION, WHATEVER INFORMATION THAT THE CRB DEEMS
12:32:33 NECESSARY RATHER THAN JUST BEING HANDED INFORMATION FROM
12:32:35 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
12:32:36 AND SO THAT'S CONTAINED OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND A
12:32:40 LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE REQUESTING, IS THE
12:32:41 IMPORTANCE OF BEING ABLE TO INDEPENDENTLY COLLECT
12:32:44 INFORMATION IN A TRANSPARENT WAY TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEN
12:32:47 BEING ABLE TO MAKE INFORMED RECOMMENDATION AND INFORMED
12:32:50 OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.
12:32:51 AND OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME
12:32:53 KNOW.
12:32:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:32:57 OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS CAMERON.
12:33:00 SHE SHOULD BE ON THE LINE IF YOU WILL UNMUTE YOURSELF.
12:33:02 FROM THERE WE GO TO DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:33:04 ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SHELBY, ANYTHING ELSE.
12:33:08 GO AHEAD, CAMERON.
12:33:09 YOU ARE ON.
12:33:10 >> YES, I'M ON.
12:33:11 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AGAIN.
12:33:13 I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS, AND I JUST HAD A
12:33:17 COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
12:33:19 BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT AT THE BEGINNING, I HAVE TO
12:33:21 EMPHASIZE THAT INDEPENDENT --
12:33:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WILL YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE
12:33:27 RECORD, PLEASE?
12:33:28 >> I'M SORRY.
12:33:29 CAMERON McELLHINEY FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR
12:33:33 CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
12:33:36 IN REGARDS TO INDEPENDENCE, IT IS ONE OF THE MOST
12:33:39 ESSENTIAL OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.
12:33:43 IT'S REFERRED TO ABSENCE OF REAL OR PERCEIVED INFLUENCE
12:33:47 OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, POLITICAL ACTORS, SPECIAL INTERESTS
12:33:50 LOOKING TO AFFECT THE OPERATIONS OF THE CIVILIAN
12:33:53 OVERSIGHT.
12:33:54 AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT
12:33:57 THERE IS NECESSARILY AN INFLUENCE FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT OR
12:34:00 POLITICAL ACTORS, BUT FOR MANY OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS,
12:34:04 THERE IS A PERCEIVED INFLUENCE, AND SO TO MAKE SURE THAT
12:34:08 YOU HAVE AN OVERSIGHT AGENCY THAT SHOWS ITSELF TO BE
12:34:12 INDEPENDENT IS SO IMPORTANT.
12:34:15 IT ALSO HAS TO BE MAINTAIN THAT INDEPENDENT, AND ALSO
12:34:19 DEMONSTRATE AND ASSESS THE EXTENT OF ITS INDEPENDENCE
12:34:23 EVEN IN TIMES OF CRISIS WHICH WE HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE
12:34:25 COUNTRY.
12:34:26 IN RECENT MONTHS.
12:34:29 I ALSO WANTS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THERE WERE A LOT
12:34:31 OF MENTIONS, AND I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE 24-PAGE
12:34:36 MEMORANDUM, BUT I DID NOTICE THERE WAS A LOT OF
12:34:41 DISCUSSION OF COMPARISONS WITH OTHER OVERSIGHT AGENCIES
12:34:44 WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
12:34:46 I WOULD URGE YOU TO WIDEN YOUR SCOPE AND LEARN MORE ABOUT
12:34:52 SOME OF THE OVERSIGHT ENTITIES THAT EXIST OUTSIDE OF
12:34:56 FLORIDA THAT HAVE TAKEN IN AUTHORITIES AND PRODUCED VERY
12:35:01 EFFECTIVE AND SUSTAINABLE OVERSIGHT MODELS.
12:35:05 AND AS I AM HAPPY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL
12:35:08 AT ANY POINT ABOUT THOSE, FORD ANY INFORMATION AND
12:35:13 CONTACTS SO YOU CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS WELL.
12:35:16 I ALSO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ONE
12:35:20 PARTICULAR POINT ABOUT -- AND IT REALLY GOES BACK TO
12:35:23 INDEPENDENT STAFFING OF THE AGENCY.
12:35:26 I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE RED LINE
12:35:30 VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE STAFFING, AND ITS LACK
12:35:35 OF INDEPENDENCE FROM TPD.
12:35:37 AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS MENTION OF COST EFFICIENCY, AND
12:35:42 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT COST EFFICIENCY DOESN'T ALWAYS
12:35:46 EQUATOR EVEN LEAD TO TRUST, AND SO MAYBE THAT'S NOT A
12:35:50 GOOD WAY TO LOOK AT IT SOLELY.
12:35:53 I KNOW THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A CONSIDERATION FOR A CITY.
12:35:57 BUT I ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF
12:35:59 SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS OUTSIDE OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR
12:36:03 ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, THAT CAN HANDLE ALL OF
12:36:08 THOSE.
12:36:09 AND THERE ARE MANY DIRECTORS OF AGENCIES THROUGHOUT THE
12:36:10 COUNTRY WHO ARE ALSO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THOSE
12:36:18 INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE SLIDE
12:36:21 PRESENTATION.
12:36:24 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE
12:36:26 MANY PRINCIPLES OF OVERSIGHT AND I WOULD URGE ALL OF YOU,
12:36:30 I HAVE FORWARDED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION ON.
12:36:33 THERE ARE -- AND I GO BACK TO THE SLIDE.
12:36:36 THERE WERE A LIST OF AUTHORITIES OF THE SEVERAL FLORIDA
12:36:41 AGENCIES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH IN THE MEMORANDUM.
12:36:47 THERE WERE SEVERAL AUTHORITIES THAT WERE LISTED, BUT
12:36:49 THERE ARE A LOT MORE AUTHORITIES THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR
12:36:53 EFFECTIVE OVERSIGHT, AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER
12:36:57 THOSE ALONGSIDE WITH THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND EXPECT, AND
12:37:05 TO ALSO NOT JUST LOOK AT HAVING MORE AUTHORITY THAN THE
12:37:10 NEXT CITY OVER, BUT TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE AND EFFECTIVE
12:37:17 MECHANISM THAT REALLY PROVIDES MEANINGFUL OVERSIGHT, AND
12:37:21 BUILD THE TRUST THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
12:37:24 SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AGAIN.
12:37:26 AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL
12:37:29 INFORMATION.
12:37:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:37:31 WE HAVE A LAST-MINUTE CALLER COME IN PER THE INVITATION
12:37:38 OF COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND HIS MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER
12:37:43 3.
12:37:43 THIS IS GERRY WEISMAN FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
12:37:48 THIS WILL BE THE FINAL SPEAKER.
12:37:50 AND THEN WE WILL GO TO QUESTIONS.
12:37:52 MR. WEISMAN, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE?
12:37:53 >> MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
12:37:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
12:37:56 GO AHEAD.
12:37:57 >> I DON'T NEED TO INJECT MYSELF INTO YOUR WORKSHOP. I
12:38:00 JUST -- WE CAME AT THE LAST MINUTE BECAUSE COUNCILMAN
12:38:04 CARLSON REACHED OUT TO US LATE LAST NIGHT TO INVITE US.
12:38:07 UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE MATERIALS THAT WERE
12:38:10 PROVIDED TO THIS GROUP FOR THE WORKSHOP.
12:38:13 BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE STATE
12:38:15 ATTORNEY -- IS FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW
12:38:20 PROCESS.
12:38:22 WE ARE HERE TO HELP IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN.
12:38:24 BUT I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION TO MAKE.
12:38:26 I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, SPECIFIC TO THE SUBPOENA
12:38:30 POWER ISSUE, AND HAVE SOME DATA, INFORMATION, BEEN ABLE
12:38:37 TO DO QUICKLY SOME RESEARCH THIS MORNING THAT MAY ENLIGHT
12:38:40 SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT I DON'T NEED TO INJECT
12:38:42 MYSELF WITH A FORMAL PRESENTATION.
12:38:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
12:38:45 DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS GENTLEMAN WHILE HE'S ON
12:38:47 THE LINE?
12:38:47 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:38:53 DINGFELDER?
12:38:54 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA.
12:38:56 I HAVE NOTHING FOR MR. WEISMAN.
12:38:58 BUT I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTED TO SPEAK.
12:39:00 BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME STATEMENTS IF I MAY.
12:39:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
12:39:07 GENTLEMAN FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY'S' OFFICE?
12:39:10 HEARING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:39:11 WE WILL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:39:12 WE WILL GO BEGINNING WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES, THEN VIERA,
12:39:16 THEN GO DOWN THE LINE TO DINGFELDER AND SO ON.
12:39:19 GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
12:39:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
12:39:25 I LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION, AND I LOOK AT THE REVISED
12:39:32 ORDINANCE, AND I KEEP HEARING THE WORD ORDINANCE
12:39:35 THROUGHOUT ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS.
12:39:37 WHY ARE WE INSERTING AN ORDINANCE IF WE CAN -- I WOULD
12:39:43 LIKE MS. GRIMES OR MR. SHELBY TO GIVE ME AN EXPLANATION
12:39:46 ON THAT, BECAUSE IF WE ARE SAYING THIS ISN'T AN
12:39:49 ORDINANCE, WE DON'T NEED THE ORDINANCE, YOU DON'T
12:39:50 BELIEVE, AND WE ARE SAYING ADMINISTRATION IS COMPELLED TO
12:39:54 MAKE SOME OF THESE CHANGES, AND WE AS A COUNCIL AGREE TO
12:39:56 THAT, THEN WHY DO WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT W AN ORDINANCE?
12:40:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL
12:40:03 ATTORNEY.
12:40:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
12:40:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
12:40:06 COUNCILMAN GUDES, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.
12:40:11 I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY
12:40:20 ATTORNEY'S MEMO LAST WEDNESDAY ALONG WITH WHEN CITY
12:40:23 COUNCIL MEMBERS GOT IT AND I HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
12:40:25 REVIEW IT AND I ALSO RECEIVED A COPY OF THE ACLU'S MEMO,
12:40:33 BUT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU, I ONLY HAVE REALLY HAD AN
12:40:38 OPPORTUNITY VERY BRIEFLY, WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE
12:40:41 BEEN GOING ON, TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HER
12:40:48 STAFF FOR AN HOUR YESTERDAY.
12:40:50 THERE ARE ISSUES THAT YOU RAISE THAT FRANKLY I WOULD LIKE
12:40:55 TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS BEFORE I COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL,
12:41:00 BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ME OUT OF
12:41:05 RESPECT, THE GREAT RESPECT I HAVE FOR HER AND
12:41:07 PROFESSIONAL COURTESY, TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF AIRING
12:41:10 THAT OUT NOW BEFORE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS
12:41:13 PRIVATELY, WHEN WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE FRANKLY
12:41:19 IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT THESE ISSUES DO NEED TO BE
12:41:22 ADDRESSED, BUT THEY ALSO WOULD BE VERY EASILY AND
12:41:26 AMICABLY RESOLVED.
12:41:27 SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN
12:41:30 GUDES, I WOULD ASK THAT IF THAT QUESTION REMAINS OUT
12:41:33 THERE, THAT WHAT THIS COUNCIL DOES IS PERHAPS MAKE,
12:41:39 WHATEVER POLICIES DECISIONS IT WISHES TO MAKE TODAY, GIVE
12:41:42 DIRECTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE ORDINANCE OR THE TEXT OF
12:41:46 THE CHANGES ITSELF, AND THEN HAVE A DATE TO COME BACK
12:41:50 AFTER WHICH TIME I THINK THESE ISSUES WILL BE RESOLVED.
12:41:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE
12:41:58 I GET CONFUSED WHEN I SEE EXECUTIVE ORDER VERSUS
12:42:01 ORDINANCE, AND I LOOK AT LEGISLATIVE MATTERS AND POWERS
12:42:05 OF THIS COUNCIL, ORDINANCE IS STILL WITHIN THAT, BUT THE
12:42:10 ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING IF COUNCIL AGREES AN VOTES ON
12:42:17 THESE ISSUES, AND I THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
12:42:26 I KNOW YOU WILL GET BACK WITH ALL OF COUNCIL WITH AN
12:42:30 ANSWER.
12:42:34 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?
12:42:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
12:42:37 GO AHEAD.
12:42:38 >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK THE ANSWER IS PRETTY
12:42:39 STRAIGHTFORWARD.
12:42:40 AND WE DID ADDRESS THIS IN THE MEMORANDUM, AND THAT WAS
12:42:45 GIVING YOU THE HISTORY OF HOW THE CRB WAS INITIALLY
12:42:48 CREATED.
12:42:49 IT WAS CREATED BY BOTH -- AND IT'S VERY UNIQUE, SO IT'S
12:42:53 NOT ANYTHING THAT PREVIOUSLY OCCURRED -- BUT IT WAS
12:42:57 CREATED BY AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, ISSUED BY THE MAYOR, AND
12:43:01 THAT IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CODIFIED BY AN ORDINANCE
12:43:04 APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
12:43:07 SO IN THE NEXT STEPS THAT I LISTED, WRITE SAY THAT WE
12:43:12 WOULD HAVE TO REVISE THE CRB ORDINANCE AND REVISE THE
12:43:15 EXECUTIVE ORDER, I SAY THAT BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE TWO
12:43:21 METHODS USED TO CREATE THE CRB, AND UNDER THE CHARTER
12:43:26 WOULD ADDRESS THIS, HOW BOARDS MAY BE CREATED, THEY CAN
12:43:29 BE CREATED IN ONE OF TWO WAYS.
12:43:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
12:43:38 ARE WE --
12:43:40 >>GINA GRIMES: I'M NOT EXPLAINING WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS.
12:43:42 I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE IN DETAIL ABOUT IT.
12:43:43 I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE MAYOR UNDER THE CHARTER,
12:43:45 SECTION 5.01, HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE ANY BOARD BY
12:43:51 EXECUTIVE ORDER APPROVED BY TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF COUNCIL.
12:43:56 AND SIMILARLY THE COUNCIL, SECTION 9.01, HAS THE
12:44:00 AUTHORITY TO CREATE A STANDING BOARD BY ORDINANCE THAT IS
12:44:05 RECOMMENDED OR APPROVED BY THE MAYOR.
12:44:06 SO -- I'M SORRY, I AM READING FROM THE CHARTER.
12:44:13 [OVERLAPPING CONVERSATIONS]
12:44:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CITY ATTORNEY, I HAVE BEGGED YOU
12:44:21 YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE LET'S NOT GO THERE.
12:44:28 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. SHELBY, PLEASE JUST RELAX.
12:44:30 ALL I AM SAYING, AND I WASN'T ABLE TO FINISH AND I
12:44:34 RESPECT YOUR OPINION, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE
12:44:36 COULDN'T DISCUSS THIS SOONER THAN YESTERDAY, BUT ALL I'M
12:44:39 SAYING, COUNCILMAN GUDES, IS THAT THE CHARTER REQUIRES
12:44:45 BOTH THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL TO AGREE ON THE
12:44:50 ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BOARD TO ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE
12:44:53 BOARD.
12:44:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I WILL STATE TO YOU THAT IS A
12:45:02 MATERIAL MISSTATEMENT OF FACT BUT I WANT TO DISCUSS IT
12:45:05 WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY PRIVATELY BEFORE WE DISCUSS IT
12:45:09 PUBLICLY.
12:45:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW BOTH OF YOU WILL RESOLVE THIS
12:45:13 AND GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.
12:45:14 BUT AGAIN WHEN I HEAR THE WORD ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS ALL
12:45:20 AGREED UPON -- I WILL GO TO MY NEXT QUESTION, CHAIR, AND
12:45:31 MR. SHELBY, AND MS. GRIMES I AM SURE WILL GET THE RIGHT
12:45:34 ANSWER TO IT.
12:45:35 MY SECOND QUESTION, WILL THIS BOARD FOLLOW THE SUNSHINE?
12:45:38 BECAUSE I HEARD WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT PROPERLY CHALLENGED.
12:45:43 SO I NEED TO KNOW IS THIS BOARD GOING TO HAVE SOME
12:45:46 STIPULATION OF CONFIDENTIALITY, INFORMATION AND
12:45:54 EDUCATION?
12:45:55 >>GINA GRIMES: THE BOARD OPERATES UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW
12:45:58 SO IT'S A CITY BOARD LIKE MANY OTHER CITY BOARDS IS NO
12:46:01 DIFFERENT SO IT'S SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE LAW.
12:46:04 I THINK THE ISSUE RAISE BY THE PBA DEALT WITH WHEN
12:46:08 COMPLAINTS ARE FAILED, AND WHAT INFORMATION THE CHAIR OF
12:46:12 THE CRB MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO.
12:46:15 AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE CLEAR IN THE ORDINANCE
12:46:21 THAT THE CHAIR WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO ANY INFORMATION
12:46:25 THAT'S EITHER CONFIDENTIAL OR UNDER THE OFFICERS BILL OF
12:46:29 RIGHTS, OR IS NOT OTHERWISE SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE LAW.
12:46:33 SO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
12:46:34 I THINK THAT WAS THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED BY THE PBA.
12:46:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GUDES THANK YOU, MS. GRIMES.
12:46:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA THEN DINGFELDER,
12:46:46 CARLSON.
12:46:47 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
12:46:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SORRY, MR. CHAIR.
12:46:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
12:46:55 AND THEN THAT'S IT.
12:46:56 >> I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING.
12:47:00 I ASSUME MR. CARLSON HAD QUESTIONS BUT APPARENTLY HE
12:47:03 DIDN'T HAVE ANY.
12:47:05 I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS THE LAST ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO
12:47:08 CONFIDENTIALITY.
12:47:09 OF COURSE IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THERE ARE LOTS
12:47:11 OF STANDARDS THAT APPLY, AND THAT'S PARTICULARLY
12:47:18 IMPORTANT TO OUR OFFICE THAT THE COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WHAT
12:47:19 THEY ARE DOING, WHEN THEY DECIDE TO CREATE AN
12:47:23 INVESTIGATIVE PANEL.
12:47:24 WE KEEP HEARING THAT PHRASE.
12:47:27 THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF STANDARD THAT APPLY TO CRIMINAL
12:47:29 INVESTIGATIONS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED THAT HAVEN'T
12:47:31 BEEN THOUGHT THROUGH IN ANY OF THESE PROPOSALS RELATED TO
12:47:34 SUBPOENA POWER, CRB IS GOING TO DO IT, CONSIDERING
12:47:39 CRIMINAL JUSTICE INFORMATION.
12:47:41 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS A COUPLE
12:47:43 OF THINGS.
12:47:45 I HEARD THE SPEAKER FROM -- AND I APOLOGIZE, I THINK IT'S
12:47:50 FROM THE ASSOCIATION OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
12:47:58 ON THEIR WEBSITE THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT IF A CIVILIAN
12:48:01 REVIEW BOARD DOESN'T HAVE SUBPOENA POWER, IT'S NOT A
12:48:04 ROADBLOCK TO EFFECTIVE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT.
12:48:07 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS KNEW THAT.
12:48:10 I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH
12:48:12 RESPECT TO THE MIAMI REFERENCE, IT IS A REFERENCE THAT
12:48:19 ANY SUBPOENAS HAVE TO BE CLEARED THROUGH THE STATE
12:48:21 ATTORNEY, BECAUSE WE WERE INVITED AT THE LAST MINUTE I
12:48:27 HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH KATHY RUNDLE, THE
12:48:29 STATE ATTORNEY IN MIAMI, WHETHER SHE'S EVER BEEN IN THE
12:48:32 UNFORTUNATE POSITION TO WORRY ABOUT HAVING TO BLOCK
12:48:35 SUBPOENAS FROM THEIR INVESTIGATIVE POWER, AND THAT
12:48:38 CREATES A TREMENDOUS GOVERNMENT CONFLICT THAT I THINK
12:48:40 THIS WORKSHOP SHOULD HAVE TO THINK THROUGH.
12:48:44 THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE WITH RESPECT TO
12:48:47 THE CONFIDENCE ISSUE THAT KEEPS COMING UP AS WELL IS
12:48:50 THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT GO INTO A CRIMINAL
12:48:52 INVESTIGATION THAT OUR OFFICE DEALS WITH EVERY DAY,
12:48:55 WHETHER IT'S INFORMANTS, JAIL CALLS, SURVEILLANCE VIDEO,
12:48:59 ALL THESE SORTS OF THINGS HAVE CERTAIN PROTECTIONS
12:49:01 ATTACHED TO THEM.
12:49:02 AND SO AS YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AND
12:49:05 WHAT OVERSIGHT YOU WANTED TO HAVE, AND PROTECTING
12:49:08 CONFIDENTIALITY, PROTECTING THE PROCESS OF CRIMINAL
12:49:12 INVESTIGATION, WHICH IS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT.
12:49:15 AND LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
12:49:18 WE WANT THERE TO BE A REVIEW PROCESS, AND TPD HAS MADE
12:49:22 CLEAR THEY WANT THERE TO BE TRANSPARENCY.
12:49:25 THAT'S HOW OUR OFFICE FITS INTO THIS.
12:49:28 WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE JUSTICE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE AS
12:49:31 YOU ARE CREATING SOMETHING, YOU ARE NOT INTERFERING OR
12:49:33 MAKING IT HARDER TO PROSECUTE WRONGDOERS.
12:49:36 NOT JUST WRONGDOERS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE WRONGDOERS
12:49:39 OF OTHER CRIMINAL CASES THAT MIGHT BE CALLED TO TESTIFY
12:49:42 OR MIGHT BE CALLED TO GIVE INFORMATION TO THIS
12:49:44 INVESTIGATIVE PANEL AS IT'S BEING REFERRED TO.
12:49:47 SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT WHEN I HEARD THE WORD
12:49:50 CONFIDENTIALITY BROUGHT UP, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY I
12:49:56 WAS INVITED AT THE LEFT HOUR WITHOUT QUESTIONS BUT I
12:49:59 WANTED THE COUNCIL TO HEAR THAT.
12:50:02 >>BILL CARLSON: THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS THAT WE WOULD
12:50:08 INVITE SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS, AND FRANKLY I FORGOT THAT WE
12:50:11 WERE SUPPOSED TO -- MY OFFICE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE
12:50:14 INVITED THEM.
12:50:14 I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE WAS DOING IT.
12:50:16 ONE OF THE INVITED GUESTS WAS ANDREW WARREN -- SO I
12:50:22 APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST MINUTE INVITATION.
12:50:24 THE IDEA IS SEVERAL FOLKS WOULD BE PART OF THE OVERALL
12:50:27 CONVERSATION.
12:50:28 JERRY, THANKS FOR STANDING IN.
12:50:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:50:33 COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WE WILL BEGIN WITH YOU.
12:50:37 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:50:39 AND THE POINT OF PROCEDURE I GUESS ON MY END, I HAVE A
12:50:44 ROUGHLY 2:00 MEETING ON A CITY MATTER WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL
12:50:47 CAME IN FROM CALIFORNIA AND IT WILL TAKE 20 MINUTES OF MY
12:50:51 TIME OR SO.
12:50:52 SO JUST FYI IN THAT REGARD, FOR ANY PROSPECTIVE VOTES OR
12:50:58 ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
12:50:59 BUT JUST SOME NOTES.
12:51:01 A LOT OF ISSUES -- I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH
12:51:03 A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED, AND TRY TO GET AS MUCH
12:51:10 INFORMATION ON THAT PIVOTAL ISSUE.
12:51:12 AND THIS IS A PIVOTAL ISSUE.
12:51:13 A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANT TO MAKE, SOME IN RESPONSE AND
12:51:18 SOME JUST IDEAS, ET CETERA, THE IDEA THAT I THINK
12:51:21 IMPROVING OR MODERNIZING THE POLICE REVIEW BOARD IS
12:51:26 SOMEHOW ANTAGONISTIC TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, WOULD HAVE TO
12:51:30 RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
12:51:31 ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS MY THOUGHTS ON FIRST RESPONDERS
12:51:36 INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND LOOK AT IT AS
12:51:40 SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARILY ANTAGONISTIC TO POLICE.
12:51:44 WE ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IN MEETINGS PAST, IN MEETINGS
12:51:46 PAST, HAVE HEARD MANY VOICES THAT HAVE DEMONIZED LAW
12:51:51 ENFORCEMENT AND THOSE VOICES TO ME AND I THINK MY
12:51:54 COLLEAGUES ON CITY COUNCIL ARE WRONG, AND I HAVE SPOKEN
12:51:57 OUT ON THAT MANY TAMES IN TERMS OF THAT RHETORIC, AND
12:52:01 BASED UPON MY VALUE SYSTEM AND WHERE I COME FROM.
12:52:04 BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ADMINISTRATION PROPOSAL, AND ANY
12:52:08 IDEAS ADDITIONALLY THAT I MAY PUT FORTH, I DON'T THINK
12:52:13 GIVES SUPPORT TO VOICES THAT DEMONIZE LAW ENFORCEMENT OR
12:52:16 DEMONIZE ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER.
12:52:18 WE ALL WANT GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY FROM IRS AGENTS TO
12:52:22 AN FBI AGENT TO A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO A LAW
12:52:25 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, TO ANYBODY.
12:52:28 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
12:52:30 GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY, THIS IS AMERICA, JAMES
12:52:35 MADISON, THE FATHER OF OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, SO LONG AS
12:52:39 IT'S DONE FAIRLY, AND WITHOUT AS I SAID SOME OF THE
12:52:41 RHETORIC WE HEARD IN THE PAST WHICH I DON'T THINK IS
12:52:45 INVOLVED IN WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING HERE
12:52:48 TODAY.
12:52:50 THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED
12:52:52 BY THE MAYOR THAT I THINK REALLY GO FORWARD, AND I THINK
12:52:54 WE HAVE TO GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION, AND I THINK MOST
12:52:57 PEOPLE DO THAT, WHICH IS GIVING THE ADMINISTRATION A LOT
12:53:00 OF CREDIT.
12:53:01 THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS THAT ARE BEING DONE HERE.
12:53:04 THIS PROPOSAL ALLOWS THE BOARD TO BE INVOLVED IN
12:53:08 INVESTIGATIONS OF ALLEGED MISCONDUCT.
12:53:10 THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL GOES A LONG WAY IN THIS REGARD AND
12:53:14 LET'S CRB GET INVOLVED IN DISCIPLINE.
12:53:17 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A REAL STEP FORWARD.
12:53:20 IT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO OPINE MORE ON PUBLIC POLICY
12:53:23 MATTERS, HIRING, USE OF FORCE, ET CETERA, AND ALLOWS TO
12:53:29 BE INVOLVED IN RECRUITS AND HIRING.
12:53:32 THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES STATED HERE.
12:53:34 THERE'S AN ISSUE AND DISPUTE ALLOWING THE BOARD TO HAVE
12:53:37 THEIR OWN ATTORNEY.
12:53:38 I CONTINUE TO RESPECT AND BELIEVE IN THIS.
12:53:41 I SERVED ON THE CIVIL SERVICE REVIEW BOARD.
12:53:43 WE OUR OWN ATTORNEY.
12:53:44 MS. GRIMES' COMMENTS IN THAT REGARD ARE ACCEPTED BY ME
12:53:47 110% WHICH IS THAT IS A BOARD THAT MAKES DECISIONS THAT
12:53:52 HAVE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY.
12:53:57 THEREFORE THAT BOARD SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE
12:53:59 ATTORNEY.
12:53:59 THAT POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
12:54:00 BUT I STILL BELIEVE, I STILL BELIEVE, THAT THERE IS AN
12:54:03 INHERENT AT LEAST PERCEPTION OF CONFLICT THERE THAT CAN
12:54:05 BE REASONABLY ACCOMMODATED BY HAVING AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
12:54:08 AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE STEP AND WILL CONTINUE
12:54:12 TO SAY THAT.
12:54:13 THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE BOARD HAVE A MAJORITY OF MEMBERS
12:54:18 WITH AGAIN GREAT MOVEMENT IN THAT REGARD, I SAID IT THE
12:54:20 FIRST TIME THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS REFORM OF THE BOARD,
12:54:26 THAT HAVING TAKEN OFF BOARD MEMBERS, WHO HAVE BEEN DOING
12:54:30 A BEAUTIFUL JOB, PUBLIC SERVANTS NOT BEING PAID,
12:54:34 ET CETERA, UNDER THE IDEA WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE THIRD,
12:54:37 ONE THIRD, ONE THIRD, OFFER WHATEVER THE BREAKDOWN IS
12:54:39 GOING TO BE, IS SOMETHING THAT I REJECT.
12:54:42 HOWEVER, HOWEVER, HOWEVER, TAKING ONE APPOINTMENT AWAY
12:54:44 FROM THE MAYOR TO PROSPECTIVELY GIVE CITY COUNCIL THE
12:54:47 MAJORITY, WHEN THAT PERSON, THE NEXT PERSON VOLUNTARILY A
12:54:54 REASONABLE STEP THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE REASONABLE
12:54:56 CONCERNS OF SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT DOES
12:54:58 SO WHILE RESPECTING THE SERVICE OF THOSE IN THE CRB.
12:55:04 SO AS WE GO FORWARD ON THAT, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I WOULD
12:55:07 SUPPORT IT, IN MY OPINION.
12:55:09 THE BOARD CAN NOW TAKE UNDER THIS PROPOSAL FROM THE
12:55:11 MAYOR, DIRECTLY TAKE COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
12:55:14 THAT'S GOOD.
12:55:15 I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE BOARD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE.
12:55:19 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT QUARTERLY COMMUNITY MEETINGS BY THE
12:55:21 CRB, ANNUAL REPORTS TO CITY COUNCIL FROM THE CRB, BECAUSE
12:55:25 WE ARE HEARING -- AND MR. WEISMAN JUST BROUGHT UP A LOT
12:55:28 OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
12:55:30 THINGS ARE IN DEVELOPMENT.
12:55:31 WE NEED TO HEAR FROM CRB MEMBERS ON SO MANY OF THESE
12:55:34 ISSUES.
12:55:35 BUT THESE ARE PROPOSALS THAT I SUPPORT THAT GO A VERY
12:55:39 LONG WAY IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE CRB.
12:55:43 AND WHEN WE INEVITABLY AND FINALLY PASS SOMETHING, IT'S
12:55:46 GOING TO BE ANOTHER STEP THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS TAKING
12:55:50 FORWARD TO IMPLEMENT CHANGE.
12:55:52 I THINK WE SHOULD GO FORWARD ON THE ISSUES THAT WE ALL
12:55:56 AGREE ON.
12:55:56 THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICT,
12:56:00 ET CETERA.
12:56:01 A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER.
12:56:03 I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN OUR
12:56:07 ATTORNEYS, MR. SHELBY AND MRS. GRIMES, ON THAT ISSUE AND
12:56:11 OTHER ASSOCIATED ISSUES.
12:56:13 THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES IN THAT REGARD WHERE
12:56:18 NOT ONLY ON THE LEGAL ISSUES BEFORE US, FOR EXAMPLE,
12:56:21 WHETHER OR NOT A COUNCILMAN CAN GIVE A BOARD SUBPOENA
12:56:25 POWER, NOT FOR POLICE OFFICERS BUT FOR EXAMPLE QUINTS.
12:56:28 IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL CAN DO WITHOUT A CHARTER
12:56:31 AMENDMENT, WE KNOW THOSE WITHIN THE CITY WITH
12:56:37 DISAGREEMENT FROM SO WONDERFUL ATTORNEYS, WHO ARE ALSO
12:56:41 DOING THIS WORK FOR FREE, BY THE WAY, THEN HOW NECESSARY
12:56:45 IS THAT FROM THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD?
12:56:49 WE HEARD FROM THE CHAIR TODAY, I WANT TO INQUIRE ON THOSE
12:56:53 ISSUES AS TO NON-POLICE OFFICERS.
12:56:55 I THINK THAT REQUIRES A LOT MORE FOLLOW-UP, ET CETERA.
12:56:58 BUT WE HAVE, I THINK, AGREEMENT ON THIS BOARD ON SOME OF
12:57:02 THE ISSUES THAT I MENTIONED HERE TODAY, AND I THINK WE
12:57:05 CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THEM TODAY IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS
12:57:09 POLICE OFFICERS, ALL SEVEN OF US I THINK ARE APPRECIATIVE
12:57:14 OF THE WORK THEY AND THEIR FAMILIES DO EVERY DAY,
12:57:19 SACRIFICES, THAT MOVES FORWARD SENSIBLY, BUT ALSO
12:57:23 PASSIONATELY FOR CHANGE.
12:57:25 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
12:57:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:57:28 I WANT TO SKIP OVER COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND GO TO
12:57:31 COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN COME BACK.
12:57:33 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
12:57:34 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
12:57:40 THANKS FOR EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND HARD WORK AND AGAIN
12:57:43 APOLOGIES TO GERRY FOR THE LAST-MINUTE REQUEST TO COME IN
12:57:50 AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
12:57:53 HOLD ON.
12:57:54 I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON THE GENESIS OF THIS.
12:57:57 THIS DISCUSSION, PARTICULAR DISCUSSION OF THE CRB IS NOT
12:58:00 HAPPENING BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED RECENTLY.
12:58:04 IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC COMPLAINT ABOUT THE POLICE
12:58:05 DEPARTMENT.
12:58:06 IT IS A HOLDOVER FROM FIVE YEARS AGO.
12:58:09 AND WHAT HAPPENED FIVE YEARS AGO THE LAST ADMINISTRATION
12:58:12 HAD RACIST POLICIES THAT THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" FOUND OUT
12:58:15 ABOUT AND WROTE A SERIES CALLED BIKING WHILE BLACK, AND
12:58:19 THERE WAS A GROUP THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS SO UPSET THAT
12:58:21 THEY PUT TOGETHER A GROUP TOGETHER CALLED TAMPA FOR
12:58:23 JUSTICE WHICH IS 22 CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS THAT CAME
12:58:26 TOGETHER TO CONDEMN THOSE POLICIES AND TAKE A HARD LOOK
12:58:28 AT HOW THE CITY WAS TREATING POOR PEOPLE, HOMELESS
12:58:31 PEOPLE, PEOPLE OF COLOR, AND AS A RESULT THERE WERE A
12:58:37 WHOLE SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS NONE OF WHICH WERE
12:58:40 LISTENED TO.
12:58:41 AND FINALLY THE CITY COUNCIL SAID, WELL, AT LEAST WE'LL
12:58:43 LOOK AT -- THE CITY COUNCIL BY ITSELF STARTED TO
12:58:47 IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE POLICIES AND ONE OF THEM WAS THE
12:58:49 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
12:58:50 AND YOU GUYS CAN GO BACK AS THE PUBLIC AND GO BACK AND
12:58:53 GAGGLE THIS, IT'S ALL WRITTEN IN THE TIMES AND OTHER
12:58:57 PLACES.
12:58:57 BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THE CITY COUNCIL STARTED TO PUT
12:59:00 TOGETHER ITS OWN CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD, AND THEN THE MAYOR
12:59:03 AT THE TIME, WANTED TO BE IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING,
12:59:07 DECIDED TO PASS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO PREEMPT THE CITY
12:59:10 COUNCIL AND MAKE IT SO THAT HE CONTROLLED IT.
12:59:12 SO THEN CITY COUNCIL CODIFIED THAT BY PUTTING IN, AND
12:59:18 SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WERE THERE AT THE TIME, AND THEN
12:59:21 THROUGH THAT PROCESS DIRECTED A CHARTER FIGHT, AND
12:59:26 OUTSIDE COUNSEL WAS HIRED IN AN ATTEMPT BY THE LAST MAYOR
12:59:30 TO PROVE THAT HE HAD MORE POWER BY COUNCIL.
12:59:32 BY CHARTER WE HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, BUT
12:59:35 THE MAYOR DOESN'T CONTROL EVERYTHING.
12:59:37 SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAYOR AND WHAT HAPPENED IN THE
12:59:39 EXECUTIVE ORDER.
12:59:39 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MAYOR.
12:59:41 WE ARE NOT TALK ABOUT THIS POLICE FORCE.
12:59:43 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.
12:59:44 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FIGHT THAT HAPPENED FIVE YEARS
12:59:46 AGO.
12:59:46 AND UNDERLYING THE MEAT AND SUBSTANCE OF ALL OF THIS IS
12:59:51 THE CHARTER FIGHT BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL CODIFIED THIS BUT
12:59:54 THE LAST ADMINISTRATION WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THAT, SO THEY
12:59:56 PUT OUT LEGAL DOCUMENTS WHICH I REVIEWED AND I REVIEWED
12:59:58 THE COUNCIL, AND IF I HAVE TO I WILL HIRE MY OWN EXTERNAL
01:00:02 COUNSEL TO PROVE THAT WE CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE RIGHT TO
01:00:05 DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH THIS, WE CAN REWRITE IT, WE CAN
01:00:09 START A NEW ONE. WE LUCKILY HAVE AN ADMINISTRATION NOW
01:00:13 THAT WANTS TO WORK WITH US AND WANTS TO WORK TO GET THESE
01:00:17 THINGS RESOLVED, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE
01:00:19 UNDERLYING CHARTER ISSUES.
01:00:21 AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEANED UP.
01:00:23 WHAT I THINK SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS EMBEDDED IN
01:00:26 THIS WAS PUT IN BY PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEYS, NOT BY THIS
01:00:32 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, HAD OTHER THINGS THAT PREEMPT
01:00:38 CITY COUNCIL'S POWER BY CHARTER, ENHANCED CITY COUNCIL'S
01:00:41 POWER TO THE MAYOR AND NOT A PARTICULAR MAYOR.
01:00:45 AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GO THROUGH AND CLEAN THAT UP.
01:00:48 I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT IT RIGHT
01:00:50 NOW, BUT TO PRESENT A BIG PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT IT,
01:00:55 WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT -- AND WE CAN HAVE THE MOTION IF
01:00:58 WE WANT -- BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
01:01:01 OFFICE AND OUR ATTORNEY, MARTY, AND IF MARTY NEEDS TO GET
01:01:06 OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO HELP US WE CAN, BUT WE NEED TO WORK
01:01:09 THROUGH THESE CHARTER ISSUES, AND IN THE MEANTIME I WOULD
01:01:12 SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT'S BEEN
01:01:15 PROPOSED TODAY.
01:01:16 I PREFER TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE VERSION PRESENTED BY
01:01:19 TAMPA FOR JUSTICE.
01:01:20 I THINK THEY HAVE DONE THOROUGH RESEARCH.
01:01:22 IT DOESN'T HURT THE POLICE.
01:01:24 IT'S NOT PUNITIVE TOWARD THE POLICE.
01:01:26 AS THE EXPERT SAID IT'S THE BEST PRACTICES THAT IS DONE
01:01:29 BY THE BEST CITIES NATIONALLY WHERE ADMINISTRATIONS AND
01:01:33 CITY COUNCILS TRY TO HAVE A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH
01:01:37 THEIR COMMUNITY.
01:01:38 WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT ONCE THE CHARTER ISSUES
01:01:45 ARE RESOLVED THAT WE WOULD ASK EITHER OUR ATTORNEY OR
01:01:49 CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT THE TEXT OF THIS TO MAKE SURE IN
01:01:54 THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT
01:01:57 THE CONTENT OF IT, AND FROM THAT, AFTER WE HAVE AGREED TO
01:02:02 THE CONTENT OF IT, THEN WE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO PASS AN
01:02:08 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING THEREAFTER.
01:02:11 THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.
01:02:13 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:02:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOU ARE NEXT.
01:02:19 THEN MIRANDA.
01:02:22 THEN BACK TO DINGFELDER.
01:02:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA BROUGHT
01:02:26 UP THE POINT OF CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
01:02:29 I WAS CHAIR OF THAT FOR A YEAR AND WAS ON IT FOR SOME
01:02:36 TIME.
01:02:37 WE HAD INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
01:02:38 THE NOW HONORABLE BARBARA THOMAS WAS OUR INDEPENDENT
01:02:42 COUNSEL.
01:02:42 AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS BOARD TO HAVE ITS OWN
01:02:45 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
01:02:46 I AM SURE IT CAN BE DONE.
01:02:49 BUT IF I MAY ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, IF YOU ARE STILL WITH
01:02:54 US, THERE COULD BE A CHARTER REVIEW CHANGE FOR SUBPOENA
01:02:59 POWERS.
01:02:59 BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MAY BE LISTENING TO
01:03:03 THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW, TO OUR MEETING RIGHT NOW, THAT DON'T
01:03:06 UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD GO ABOUT BEING.
01:03:11 WHO, WHAT, HOW?
01:03:14 IF THAT COULD BE EXPLAINED, I UNDERSTAND THE CHARTER
01:03:16 WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A CITIZEN VOTE.
01:03:21 SO MS. GRIMES, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
01:03:24 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
01:03:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN HOW THAT WOULD
01:03:27 HAPPEN IF THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT ON THE CHARTER?
01:03:34 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THIS IS ANDREA ZELMAN.
01:03:36 GINA ASKED ME IF I WOULD BRIEFLY BRIEF YOU ON THIS ISSUE.
01:03:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DO APPRECIATE IT.
01:03:43 THIS IS FOR THE AUDIENCE THAT'S LISTENING NOW.
01:03:45 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THERE ARE TWO WAYS IN WHICH A CHARTER
01:03:49 CAN BE AMENDED.
01:03:51 ONE IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN ADOPT AN ORDINANCE
01:03:55 DESCRIBING THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
01:03:56 AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO A VOTE OF THE
01:04:01 ELECTORS, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED ON THE BALLOT
01:04:03 AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A
01:04:06 SPECIAL ELECTION HELD.
01:04:08 AND THEN OF COURSE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WOULD BE ADOPTED
01:04:11 IF IT'S APPROVED BY MAJORITY OF THE VOTING ELECTORS.
01:04:14 THE OTHER WAY THE CHARTER CAN BE AMENDED IS THAT 10% OF
01:04:21 THOSE WHO WERE QUALIFIED TO VOTE IN THE LAST CITY
01:04:25 ELECTION COULD SIGN A PETITION.
01:04:29 YOU HAVE TO GET A PETITION SIGNED BY THAT PERCENTAGE OF
01:04:32 THOSE QUALIFIED VOTERS.
01:04:33 AND THEN AGAIN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD BE INCLUDED
01:04:36 ON A BALLOT AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION, OR HAVE A
01:04:40 SPECIAL ELECTION HELD, AND THE SAME THING APPLIES, THE
01:04:45 AMENDMENT OR AMENDMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY A
01:04:47 MAJORITY OF THE VOTING ELECTORS.
01:04:50 AND THIS IS SPELLED OUT IN SECTION 10.11 OF OUR CHARTER,
01:04:55 SECTION 10.07 OF OUR CHARTER, AND FLORIDA STATUTE
01:04:59 163.031.
01:05:02 THANK YOU.
01:05:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ZELMAN.
01:05:07 GINA GRIMES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:05:09 IS MR. RICHEY STILL ON THE LINE?
01:05:14 NO, OKAY.
01:05:16 CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:05:17 I HAVE MADE A STATEMENT AND ASKED QUESTIONS AND I AM
01:05:20 HOPING THAT THIS CAN MOVE FORWARD.
01:05:22 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:05:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES?
01:05:34 >> HE IS AVAILABLE.
01:05:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY ASK.
01:05:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
01:05:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. RASHEED, IN HOW MANY CASES WITH TPD
01:05:49 LIVING OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES?
01:05:51 >> TO MY RECOLLECTION, IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST YEAR,
01:05:57 OBVIOUSLY, WITH THE VIRUS WE HAVEN'T HAD OUR REGULAR
01:06:03 SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS.
01:06:04 IN THE PAST YEAR, THERE WERE TWO CASES WHERE WE FOUND
01:06:10 THAT WE DID NOT AGREE WITH POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN
01:06:14 REFERENCE TO THE OFFICERS' BEHAVIOR.
01:06:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND WHAT ACTIONS DID THE BOARD TAKE TO
01:06:24 THOSE TWO IN THE LAST YEAR?
01:06:25 >> WE DID CREATE A RECOMMENDATION.
01:06:29 I BELIEVE TO CHIEF DUGAN.
01:06:33 IN RETROSPECT HE DID RESPOND.
01:06:37 AND AGAIN, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY SO IN REFERENCE TO THE
01:06:41 DISCIPLINARY ACTION, BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCIPLINARY
01:06:44 ACTION TAKEN.
01:06:47 BUT I BELIEVE WE PROVIDED OUR SERVICE WITH BRINGING THAT
01:06:52 TO THE PUBLIC'S VIEW.
01:06:54 AND CHIEF DUGAN WAS ABLE TO RESPOND, AND ALSO PROVIDE
01:07:01 SUPPORT OF.
01:07:02 SO WE DID OUR SERVICE BY BRINGING IT TO THE PUBLIC, AND
01:07:05 WE TOOK A VOTE ON IT.
01:07:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHEN CHIEF DUGAN RESPONDED DID THE BOARD
01:07:15 AGREE WITH HIS DISCIPLINARY ACTION?
01:07:17 >> IT WAS A SPLIT DECISION.
01:07:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:07:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THEN
01:07:29 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:07:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:07:34 I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE SPEAKING TODAY.
01:07:38 WE HEARD A LOT OF INFORMATION TO DIGEST AND MOVE FORWARD.
01:07:43 I WANT TO THANK ALL PARTIES INCLUDING THOSE OF THE CITY,
01:07:46 FROM THE CRB BOARD, ACLU, AND ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WHO
01:07:50 SPOKE TO US.
01:07:51 I THINK IT TAKES A LOT OF US TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND
01:07:55 MAKE THINGS FOR THE BETTER FOR ALL SOCIETY, AND I THINK
01:07:57 WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO DO THAT.
01:07:59 SAYING THAT, SO MANY THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY, WE
01:08:04 WANT TO DO THINGS IN ONE WAY, AND SOME TALKED ABOUT THE
01:08:09 CHARTER CHANGES.
01:08:10 AND I AM JUST GOING TO SAY THIS.
01:08:12 I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE, THE RANGE OF ITEMS
01:08:17 THAT HE SPOKE ABOUT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COMFORT
01:08:21 OF HEARING WHAT HE SAID.
01:08:23 FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL, SIMPLE THINGS CAN BE CHANGED.
01:08:27 SIMPLE THINGS CAN BE REVERSED.
01:08:30 VERY QUICKLY.
01:08:31 JUST LIKE THE CHANGES.
01:08:37 NOT JUST WHO WAS ELECTED DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME --
01:08:40 AND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS -- IT WOULD BE
01:08:42 TO BENEFIT LONG-TERM OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY
01:08:45 OF TAMPA, AND THE CHARTER CHANGE WOULD BE DONE.
01:08:50 AND MUCH BROADER, MUCH MORE COMFORTING FOR THE CITIZENS
01:08:55 OF TAMPA INCLUDING CRB BOARD, ACLU, THE ATTORNEY'S
01:09:00 OFFICE, ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP WITH
01:09:07 RESPECT TO CHANGES WOULD BE DONE BY THE CITIZENS REVIEW
01:09:10 AND PUT ON AN AGENDA FOR A VOTE, IN AN ELECTION.
01:09:13 AND I THINK LONG-TERM IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO DO
01:09:17 SOMETHING THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, TAKES A
01:09:20 LITTLE BIT MORE ENERGY, BUT YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF
01:09:23 BREATHING ROOM TO SEE IF WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS TOGETHER,
01:09:27 NOT ONE SIDE, NOT OTHER SIDE, BUT BOTH SIDES GETTING
01:09:31 TOGETHER, AND HAVING PUTTING THE VOTE TO THE PUBLIC SO WE
01:09:36 CAN SAY THIS IS BASICALLY LONG-TERM, NOT JUST SIMPLE
01:09:41 TERM, WHEREBY A 4-3 VOTE OF THIS COUNCIL, IT CAN BE
01:09:47 CHANGED.
01:09:47 I'M SURE THAT THIS COUNCIL HOLDS FOR THE DURATION OF
01:09:53 THEIR TIME, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING YESTERDAY,
01:09:57 TODAY, AND TOMORROW.
01:09:58 BUT FOR LONG, LONG-TERM.
01:10:03 THIS CRB REVIEW BOARD IS BASED ON NOT WHAT WE DO IN A
01:10:08 SIMPLE FASHION, BUT WHAT WE DO LONG-TERM THAT CODIFIES
01:10:12 THE NEED OF THE BOARD, THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE, SO WE CAN
01:10:16 HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
01:10:21 AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER A VOTE CAN BE TAKEN BY THE
01:10:26 PUBLIC BECAUSE IT TAKES AN ELECTION OF SOME SORT, AND I
01:10:32 THINK WE CAN LOOK AT THE FORM OF PUTTING IT ON AN
01:10:35 ORDINANCE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO VOTE ON, AND I THINK
01:10:38 UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF THE CITIZENS,
01:10:42 OF THE CRB, THE BOARD AND ACLU.
01:10:46 THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I AM LOOKING AT.
01:10:47 AND I FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY OF HANDLING
01:10:51 SOMETHING LONG-TERM.
01:10:52 YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A BAND-AID, BECAUSE BAND-AID AND A
01:10:56 BALLOON WILL POP ON THE OTHER SIDE.
01:10:58 YOU WANT TO PUT THE BALLOON UP SO IT'S MUCH STRONGER AND
01:11:01 MUCH MORE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FACTS OF SOCIETY OF WHAT
01:11:06 WE HAD YESTERDAY.
01:11:07 THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:11:09 I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
01:11:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:11:13 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:11:19 >>GINA GRIMES: AM I GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
01:11:20 ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS DOCUMENTS BEFORE
01:11:23 WE GO --
01:11:25 >> YES.
01:11:25 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND THEN I WILL WRAP IT UP AND THEN
01:11:28 WE'LL GO TO YOU.
01:11:29 >>GINA GRIMES: THANK YOU.
01:11:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:11:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:11:38 THIS IS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
01:11:39 I WISH WE WERE ABLE AT A MINIMUM TO SEE EACH OTHER WHILE
01:11:45 WE ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION.
01:11:49 BUT WE ARE DOING GOOD AUDIO, WITH AUDIO.
01:11:51 I THINK IT'S VERY HEALTHY.
01:11:54 LET ME START OFF BY AGREEING WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON WITH
01:12:01 REGARD TO THE LEGAL, AND THOUGH I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, I
01:12:11 HAVE READ TILL TWO IN THE MORNING READING ALL THESE MEMOS
01:12:13 FROM THE ACLU, EVERYBODY, I HOPE YOU HAVE A COPY OF MR.
01:12:17 SHELBY'S MEMO DATED SEPTEMBER 2ND OF 2015, AND I'M SURE
01:12:23 MR. SHELBY WILL STILL STAND BY IT EXCEPT THERE'S ONE PART
01:12:27 THAT'S MOOT THAT IS CHANGED BY THE CHARTER REVIEW.
01:12:33 THAT'S AN AMENDMENT.
01:12:34 BUT OTHERWISE, EVERYBODY MAKES NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THEY
01:12:37 GOT MR. SHELBY'S MEMO DATED SEPTEMBER 2015, A VERY STRONG
01:12:41 POSITION, AND I BELIEVE HE STILL STANDS BY IT.
01:12:45 BUT I READ ALL THE MEMOS, AND I ALSO READ THE ACLU'S
01:12:51 MEMO, AND I READ BOB HOLT'S TEN ITEMS SUGGESTING TEN
01:12:57 ADDITIONAL CHANGES OVER AND ABOVE THAT.
01:13:01 MR. MIRANDA, I RESPECT YOU TREMENDOUSLY, THE LONGEVITY
01:13:06 AND SERVICE THAT YOU PROVIDED TO THE CITY OVER DECADES,
01:13:10 GIVES YOU A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE.
01:13:13 AND PERSPECTIVE IS LONG-TERM.
01:13:16 AND YOU RECOGNIZE THAT LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW, SHORT TERM
01:13:19 MEANS THESE ORDINANCES CAN COME AND GO, THE EXECUTIVE
01:13:21 ORDER CAN DEFINITELY COME AND GO, BUT THE WAY YOU REALLY
01:13:25 CODIFY SOMETHING IS THROUGH -- PUT IT IN THE CHARTER.
01:13:28 AND SO I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD NOT DO ANYTHING.
01:13:32 I THINK WE CAN DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE ORDINANCE,
01:13:35 BUT THEN I DO AGREE WITH YOU 100% THAT WITHIN THE NEXT
01:13:38 COUPLE OF MONTHS WE ALSO PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE TO PUT
01:13:43 SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT.
01:13:45 SO MR. MIRANDA, I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
01:13:52 MR. CARLSON, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON ONE POINT.
01:13:56 THE LEGAL LOGGERHEAD WILL NOT GET INVOLVED, YOU ARE NOT
01:14:04 GOING TO GET INVOLVED.
01:14:06 I KNOW MS. GRIMES, AND A 24 PAGE MEMORANDUM, AND HAD
01:14:18 PLENTY OF INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYBODY ELSE
01:14:25 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
01:14:29 I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HOLD OUR BREATH ON GETTING THOSE
01:14:31 LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED.
01:14:32 BUT WHAT WE CAN DO, AND AS I BELIEVE MR. VIERA SUGGESTED,
01:14:40 AND LET'S TRY AND GET TO THE MEAT OF THIS STUFF, AND GET
01:14:47 THESE DOCUMENTS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON.
01:14:50 AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE DON'T AGREE, THEN WE WILL
01:14:54 DEAL WITH IT, IN WHATEVER WAY WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT.
01:14:58 BUT RIGHT NOW LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON.
01:15:00 SO THAT LEADS ME TO SOME DETAILS.
01:15:05 AND WE HEARD A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION BY THE WOMAN,
01:15:10 CAMERON, AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FAITH.
01:15:18 SHE'S NOT A FLORIDA PERSON.
01:15:21 BUT SHE KNOWS HOW THESE BOARDS OPERATE.
01:15:24 SHE KNOWS WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES ARE.
01:15:27 AND I WENT TO THE WEBSITE AND SPENT HOURS LOOKING AT HER
01:15:31 WEBSITE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT MODELS.
01:15:33 AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IS
01:15:36 INDEPENDENT.
01:15:37 WE DISCUSSED THAT.
01:15:39 AN INDEPENDENT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY ON A
01:15:43 DAY-TO-DAY PRACTICAL BASIS, BUT IT'S THE PERCEPTION OF
01:15:48 INDEPENDENCE.
01:15:50 NOT REALLY -- THE COMMUNITY PERCEPTION IS DIMINISHED
01:15:56 RIGHT NOW.
01:15:56 AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX IT.
01:15:58 SO I KNOW I CAN'T MAKE THE CITY -- I KNOW I CAN'T MAKE
01:16:05 THE MAYOR DO IT, BUT I HAVE TWO REQUESTS.
01:16:07 ONE REQUEST TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH IS A COMPROMISE
01:16:09 FOR THIS POSITION, AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT -- AND I AM
01:16:15 GOING TO REQUEST, AND MAYBE THE BOARD, THIS COUNCIL WILL
01:16:18 AGREE WITH ME, THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY INCLUDE LANGUAGE IN
01:16:22 THE ORDINANCE THAT APPOINTS A STAND-BY CONFLICT COUNSEL,
01:16:28 IN OTHER WORDS, ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, ONE OF MS. GRIMES
01:16:31 ATTORNEYS WILL BE THE REGULAR COUNSEL, BUT IF THAT CRB
01:16:35 BOARD ALL OF A SUDDEN SEES AN ISSUE OR HAS A CASE WHERE
01:16:42 IT'S REALLY, REALLY HOT, AND THEY DON'T FEEL THAT OUR
01:16:46 REGULAR CITY ATTORNEY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, CAN BE
01:16:49 COMPLETELY 100% OBJECTIVE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT
01:16:53 TO SAY, NOW WHAT?
01:16:55 LET'S CALL MR. JONES, OUR STAND-BY COUNSEL BECAUSE WE
01:17:02 NEED THEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
01:17:06 THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, IS TO
01:17:09 CONSIDER THAT.
01:17:10 I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO DO IT BY MOTION.
01:17:12 I WILL LET MS. GRIMES RESPOND TO THAT.
01:17:15 MY OTHER REQUEST, I JUST THINK THAT THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS,
01:17:20 AND I MADE THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
01:17:24 IN REGARD TO BE INDEPENDENCE, AGAIN, WHO WAS SITTING NEXT
01:17:29 TO THE CHAIRMAN, OR WHO IS SITTING DOWN AT THE END OF THE
01:17:33 DAIS, WHO MIGHT BE WELL MEANING BUT THE PERCEPTION IS --
01:17:42 INSTEAD, MRS. GRIMES MAKES AN ARGUMENT WE MAY NOT WANT TO
01:17:47 SPEND A LOT OF MONEY OR HIRING PEOPLE ON THE OUTSIDE.
01:17:50 BUT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY RELATIONS STAFF, AND THAT IS
01:17:53 HEADED UP BY -- AND I BELIEVE THE POINT OF SETTING THAT
01:17:59 UP, COMMUNITY RELATIONS DEPARTMENT, IS TO DEAL WITH
01:18:02 COMMUNITY RELATIONS, AND WHAT MORE COMMUNITY RELATIONS DO
01:18:04 WE HAVE THAN THIS?
01:18:06 SO WHAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE MAYOR, I HAVE
01:18:11 ALREADY DONE IT AND I AM WAITING FOR AN ANSWER BACK FROM
01:18:13 HER, IS IF YOU WOULD AGREE TO ASK OR DIRECT THE COMMUNITY
01:18:21 RELATIONS STAFF TO BE STAFF FOR THIS BODY.
01:18:26 IT'S A COMPROMISE.
01:18:27 IT'S NOT TOTALLY OUTSIDE AND INDEPENDENT BUT IT'S MORE
01:18:30 INDEPENDENT THAN HAVING IT IN-OFFICE.
01:18:36 OKAY, THOSE ARE THE BIGGIES.
01:18:37 LET ME GET A COUPLE OF THE
01:18:39 MINOR ONES AND THEN I'LL SHUT UP.
01:18:41 ON PAGE THAN, LET'S SEE, ON PAGE 2, (4) IT SAYS CONDUCT A
01:18:52 COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY THREE YEARS TO ATTEND PUBLIC
01:18:55 FEEDBACK.
01:18:55 I'M GOING TO SUGGEST AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER, AT THE
01:18:59 SUGGESTION OF MS. GRIMES, AND SHE'S CARRYING OUGHT WATER
01:19:02 FOR THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS, THAT THE COMMUNITY SURVEY
01:19:06 EVERY TWO YEARS.
01:19:07 I THINK EVERY THREE YEARS IS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
01:19:10 SO I AM GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WOULD BE EVERY TWO YEARS.
01:19:13 MY NEXT SUGGESTION IS ON PAGE 2 AT THE BOTTOM (7) WHICH
01:19:21 SAYS THAT THE BOARD WOULD REPORT FINDINGS AND MAKE
01:19:26 RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND POLICE CHIEF.
01:19:29 BUT ALL I WOULD ASK THERE IS THAT WE BE CARBON COPIED SO
01:19:33 THAT WAY WE CAN STAY ABREAST.
01:19:35 I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD GET INVOLVED, BECAUSE I KNOW
01:19:40 THAT WOULD FREAK EVERYBODY OUT.
01:19:41 BUT I AM JUST SAYING THAT CITY COUNCIL AS A BODY WOULD BE
01:19:45 CARBON COPIED WITH THOSE REGULAR FINDINGS THAT THE BOARD
01:19:48 MAKES TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITIZENS.
01:19:53 I THINK THAT'S A HEALTHY INVOLVEMENT ON THE SIDELINES.
01:19:58 IN REGARD TO THE MEMBERSHIP OF HOW THE MEMBERS ARE
01:20:01 APPOINTED, I APPRECIATE MAYOR CASTOR GIVING UP ONE OF HER
01:20:06 MEMBERS, AND GET AN ADDITIONAL MEMBER.
01:20:08 I THINK WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING IS WHAT IS THE
01:20:12 DIRECT COMMUNITY INPUT ON POINTING MEMBERS?
01:20:15 SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS MAYBE CITY COUNCIL APPOINT
01:20:18 THREE MEMBERS, THE MAYOR APPOINT THREE MEMBERS, SO WE ARE
01:20:22 EVEN, THEN SON HOW OR OTHER WE FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR THE
01:20:26 COMMUNITY TO APPOINT FOUR MEMBERS, AND MAYBE THROUGH THE
01:20:30 EAST TAMPA CRA AND THE WEST TAMPA CRA, YOU KNOW, SOME
01:20:33 OTHER SIMILAR TYPES OF QUASI-OFFICIAL BODY, AND THEN OF
01:20:41 COURSE THE NAACP WOULD HAVE THEIR STANDING POSITION, BUT
01:20:45 THAT STILL COMES OUT TO ELEVEN BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES THE
01:20:47 COMMUNITY MORE INPUT IN TERMS OF FOUR OUT OF THE ELEVEN.
01:20:57 AND THIS ONE IF VERY MINOR. SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT THEY
01:21:02 GO THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY, AND THAT THEY GET THROUGH
01:21:06 NINE HOURS OF RIDE ALONG BUT THEY ONLY HAVE THREE MONTHS
01:21:09 TO DO THAT AFTER THEIR APPOINTMENT.
01:21:11 I THINK THAT'S RATHER FAST.
01:21:12 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE LIVES, AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE
01:21:16 TO ORGANIZE THE POLICE ACADEMY AND DO NINE HOURS RIDE
01:21:18 ALONG, THREE DIFFERENT NIGHTS OF RIDE ALONG WITHIN THE
01:21:22 FIRST THREE MONTHS.
01:21:23 I WOULD SUGGEST WE EXTEND THAT TO SIX MONTHS.
01:21:25 AND THAT'S AT THE TOP OF PAGE 5 (6).
01:21:32 I ALSO, ON PAGE 5 AS WELL, IN REGARD TO THE EXTERNAL
01:21:37 TRAINING, I THINK (6) OR ONE OF THOSE PARENS SHOULD SPEAK
01:21:46 TO TRAINING, TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT EXTERNAL PLANNING
01:21:49 AS RELATED TO TRAINING FROM USF, TRAINING ABOUT CIVIL
01:21:55 LIBERTIES, TRAINING ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS, TRAINING FROM THE
01:21:57 ACLU.
01:21:58 BECAUSE IF WE TRULY WANT AN UNBIASED BOARD, WE CAN'T JUST
01:22:02 HAVE THEM DO A RIDE-ALONG WITH COPS AND GO TO POLICE
01:22:05 ACADEMY.
01:22:05 WE NEED TO GIVE THEM BALANCE IN TERMS OF TRAINING.
01:22:08 AND SO I DO THOROUGHLY BELIEVE THAT THAT TRAINING NEEDS
01:22:11 TO COME FROM, IN ADDITION TO TPD, IT ALSO NEEDS TO COME
01:22:15 FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE IN REGARD TO CIVIL
01:22:19 RIGHTS, CIVIL LIBERTIES.
01:22:22 AND THEN I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TODAY,
01:22:26 MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:22:27 I AM NOT GOING TO DO IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION RIGHT
01:22:30 NOW.
01:22:31 I THINK MR. SHELBY AND SOME OTHERS, MR. CARLSON HAD THE
01:22:35 IDEA THAT MS. GRIMES CAN TAKE ALL OF THIS FEEDBACK, BACK
01:22:41 TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THEY CAN MULL IT OVER.
01:22:47 I AM GETTING EFFECT FROM MAYOR CASTOR AND SHE MIGHT WANT
01:22:52 TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES, AND I APPRECIATE
01:22:58 MAYOR CASTOR AND HER INVOLVEMENT.
01:23:02 SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:23:04 AND I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME.
01:23:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, I HEARD YOU AND I APPRECIATE
01:23:11 THIS DISCUSSION.
01:23:12 IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
01:23:13 I APPRECIATE THE IDEAS AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT
01:23:17 SPOKE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, VIERA, CARLSON, DINGFELDER,
01:23:20 CITRO, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:23:23 MY MAIN ISSUE IS THE APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD AND WHO HAS
01:23:29 THE MAJORITY, WHETHER IT'S COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR.
01:23:32 AND I LIKE, NOW THAT I HAVE HEARD COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S
01:23:34 IDEA OF HOW IT'S SPLIT AND THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND
01:23:37 WHATNOT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD AVENUE.
01:23:42 AND IN REGARD TO THE APPOINTMENT, WITH THAT THE CITY
01:23:47 COUNCIL NOT HAVE SOME AUTHORITY IN APPOINTMENTS, AND
01:23:50 IRENE I SAY THAT IS THE MAYOR IS THE CHIEF LAW
01:23:53 ENFORCEMENT INDIVIDUAL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHO APPOINT
01:23:55 IT IS POLICE CHIEF, WHO OVERSEES ALL OF THAT, AND THE
01:23:58 POLICE CHIEF HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, BUT
01:24:01 STILL, CAN'T GET ANY STRONGER MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT
01:24:05 THAN THAT.
01:24:06 HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD WE DO WANT
01:24:10 INDEPENDENT REVIEW, WE WANT THAT INDEPENDENCE VOICE.
01:24:15 I LIKE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S IDEA OF SOMETHING NEW BUT
01:24:20 I HAVE BEEN PONDERING IT THE LAST FEW MINUTES SINCE HE
01:24:23 BROUGHT IT UP, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE OF A BALANCE.
01:24:25 I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR SHOULD HAVE THE CONTROL, CONTROL
01:24:27 THE MAJORITY VOICE.
01:24:29 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY NEED FOR THAT.
01:24:31 IT'S NOT A MATTER OF TRUST OR DISTRUST.
01:24:34 THE MAYOR HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF AUTHORITY.
01:24:36 THE MAYOR APPOINT IT IS CHIEF.
01:24:38 THE MAYOR OVERSEES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
01:24:41 THE MAYOR AS WE HAVE NOW WAS THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE.
01:24:44 SO IN ORDER TO BUILD UP THE COMMUNITY, IN ORDER TO
01:24:47 MAINTAIN A COMMUNITY, I THINK THE STRUCTURE SHOULD CHANGE
01:24:52 WHETHER IT'S MAJORITY BY COUNCIL, LET'S SAY 6 TO 4, AND
01:24:57 THEN THE NAACP REPRESENTATIVE OR AS COUNCIL MEMBER
01:25:00 DINGFELDER BROUGHT UP WHICH I LIKE THE IDEA, BECAUSE IT
01:25:02 NOW GOES TO THE COMMUNITY, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, WEST
01:25:06 TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, CRA, HOWEVER WE LOOK AT THAT, BUT IT
01:25:10 GIVES THE PEOPLE THE POWER, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE VOTED IN,
01:25:14 AND THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN WHO IS ON THIS
01:25:18 BOARD, AND I THINK IT ENHANCES THE RELATIONSHIP AND
01:25:21 ENHANCES THE TRUST, BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS A SAY.
01:25:26 SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
01:25:28 I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION.
01:25:29 I AM GOING TO STOP THERE.
01:25:31 IS THERE ANY MOTION FROM COUNCIL?
01:25:34 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA.
01:25:36 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU STILL NEED TO A TREES
01:25:40 COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES BEFORE
01:25:41 YOU START MAKING MOTIONS.
01:25:42 >> OKAY.
01:25:47 I DON'T HAVE A MOTION.
01:25:48 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:25:50 I APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS.
01:25:51 I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S REMARKS.
01:25:52 YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER LISTED PROPOSED CHANGES
01:25:57 UPON INITIAL IMPRESSION.
01:25:59 I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF THINGS YOU CAN GET BEHIND.
01:26:03 THERE IS AGAIN, AND I WILL RESTATE MY CONCERN, RADICALLY
01:26:07 CHANGING, RADICALLY CHANGING THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS ON
01:26:09 THE BOARD.
01:26:10 THE BIG ISSUE IS, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE PEOPLE
01:26:13 WHO ARE THERE, AND ARE THEY GOING TO BE -- AND AGAIN,
01:26:15 THIS ISN'T ANYBODY'S -- THERE'S ALWAYS UNINTENDED
01:26:22 CONSEQUENCES.
01:26:22 WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD RIGHT NOW WHO ARE
01:26:24 WONDERFUL PEOPLE MAKING GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS.
01:26:27 DR. CAROLYN COLLIN, BENITRA WIGGINS, VICTOR DIMAIO, SO
01:26:31 MANY PEOPLE, I BELIEVE ALL THOSE FOLKS ARE MAYORAL
01:26:34 APPOINTMENTS.
01:26:34 MY IDEA WOULD BE TO AGAIN GIVE COUNCIL -- I WANT TO BE
01:26:38 CLEAR -- I SUPPORT GIVING COUNCIL THE MAJORITY OF THE
01:26:41 APPOINTMENTS.
01:26:42 I RESPECTFULLY PROPOSE THAT THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO HAVE
01:26:45 ONE OF THOSE APPOINTMENTS REVERT TO COUNCIL UPON
01:26:49 RETIREMENT OF THE NEXT PERSON WHO IS A MAYORAL
01:26:52 APPOINTMENT.
01:26:52 I THINK THAT IS THE WAY THAT GIVES COUNCIL THE MAJORITY
01:26:57 OF APPOINTMENTS, WHILE RESPECTING THE SERVICE OF THOSE
01:27:02 FOLKS WHO ARE ON THE BOARD, BUT JUST MY OPINION.
01:27:06 BUT ALL THE OTHER IDEAS UPON INITIAL IMPRESSION, VERY
01:27:10 POSITIVE CHANGES, VERY POSITIVE CHANGES.
01:27:11 SO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP
01:27:14 AS ALWAYS, SIR.
01:27:15 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:27:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:27:21 WHO IS THAT?
01:27:23 >>BILL CARLSON: CARLSON.
01:27:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER YOU THEN MS. GRIMES.
01:27:27 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE I COULD SAVE GRIMES
01:27:30 SOME TIME NOW.
01:27:31 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A MOTION.
01:27:33 BUT THE MOTION I WOULD MAKE IS THAT MS. GRIMES AND HER
01:27:37 STAFF TAKE THE INPUT THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED TODAY FROM
01:27:41 THE PUBLIC AND FROM CITY COUNCIL AND COME BACK TO US WITH
01:27:45 A NEW DRAFT IN A MONTH OR WHENEVER THEY WANT, AND IN
01:27:50 THE -- IN THE MEANTIME THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORK
01:27:54 WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO WORK OUT IF
01:27:58 NEEDED ANY CHARTER AMENDMENT ISSUES.
01:28:00 SO IF THAT MOTION IS ACCEPTABLE, MAYBE WE CAN SKIP THE
01:28:04 LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CHARTER ISSUES.
01:28:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE YOU MAKE A FORMAL MOTION, I
01:28:10 WOULD LIKE MS. GRIMES THE OPPORTUNITY, GIVE HER THE
01:28:12 OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.
01:28:13 AND THEN WE WILL GO TO THAT.
01:28:15 MS. GRIMES.
01:28:16 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
01:28:17 AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR MR. SHELBY AND COUNCILMAN
01:28:22 DINGFELDER, WHO HAVE BOTH REQUESTED THAT I NOT ADDRESS
01:28:26 SOME OF THE LEGAL ARGUMENTS THAT ARE INHERENT IN
01:28:29 EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE
01:28:33 ALL KINDS OF LEGAL ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHARTER AND
01:28:37 THE SEPARATION OF POWERS AND THE CREATION OF THE BOARD.
01:28:41 AND I AM NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THEM OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE
01:28:45 TWO OF THEM.
01:28:46 BUT I CAN SAY WITH A GREAT DEGREE OF CERTAINTY THAT THE
01:28:52 MOTION THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO MAKE, MR. CARLSON, IS NOT
01:28:55 SOMETHING THAT I THINK CAN BE FULFILLED BY MY OFFICE AS
01:28:59 FAR AS DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE.
01:29:00 I THINK THAT IN GENERAL THE CONCEPT OF CREATING AN
01:29:04 INDEPENDENT BOARD AND MAKING THE CRB INDEPENDENT IS
01:29:10 SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND APART FROM WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS,
01:29:14 AND TO DO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHARTER AMENDMENT.
01:29:20 I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IN
01:29:24 YOUR MOTION THAT I WORK WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN
01:29:28 PROVIDED BY VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS AND THE PUBLIC
01:29:31 INCLUDING THE ACLU.
01:29:34 EVEN A CURSORY REVIEW OF THE ACLU'S PROPOSAL WILL SHOW
01:29:39 YOU THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT THIS BOARD HAS
01:29:43 INVESTIGATIVE AUTHORITY, INVESTIGATIVE POWER, AND HAVE
01:29:50 SUBPOENA POWER BOTH OF WHICH ARE NOT POSSIBLE UNDER OUR
01:29:52 CHARTER.
01:29:53 SO I NEEDED TO ADDRESS THAT UP FRONT.
01:29:55 MR. MIRANDA, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DON'T THINK IT'S
01:29:58 APPROPRIATE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS BECAUSE IT'S
01:30:01 NOTHING MORE THAN A BAND-AID, AND I TAKE OBJECTION WITH
01:30:05 THAT, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A WELL THOUGHT-THROUGH AND
01:30:08 RESEARCHED PROPOSAL THAT WOULD MAKE SUBSTANTIAL
01:30:12 IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING CRB.
01:30:15 AND I THINK THAT IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE PROPOSE
01:30:19 TODAY THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING PROGRESS.
01:30:22 MAYBE IT WOULDN'T BE THE PERFECT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE
01:30:27 SUPPORTED BY THE ACLU, BUT IT IS A SUBSTANTIAL
01:30:34 ENHANCEMENT TO THE BOARD'S AUTHORITY, AND IT'S
01:30:37 SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS, AND TRYING TO CREATE PUBLIC TRUST
01:30:43 IN THE NCPD.
01:30:46 THE OTHER ISSUES THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS WERE RAISED BY
01:30:49 MR. DINGFELDER.
01:30:51 YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD REVIEWED MR. SHELBY'S OPINION
01:30:55 FROM 2015, AND I HAVE AS WELL, AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER
01:30:59 OPINIONS, REVIEWED TRANSCRIPT, LISTENED TO AUDIO TAPES
01:31:03 FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE BACK IN 2017.
01:31:10 WE HAVE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF RESEARCH AND
01:31:17 WRITING AND EVALUATION OF DIFFERENT CRBs ACROSS THE
01:31:22 STATE, ACROSS THE NATION, AND WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER WHAT
01:31:25 WE THOUGHT WAS A REALLY WORTHWHILE PROPOSAL, AND ACTUALLY
01:31:30 VERY DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED UPON IT
01:31:35 AS, YOU KNOW, NOTHING MORE THAN JUST SOME SORT OF TOKEN
01:31:39 RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS.
01:31:41 THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN VERY VALID COMMENTS, AND WE TRIED TO
01:31:45 RESPOND TO THAT IN SUBSTANCE.
01:31:47 AND SO IT'S DISAPPOINTING THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN SORT OF OFF
01:31:51 ON A TANGENT HERE ABOUT A WISH LIST OF WHAT THE CRB CAN
01:31:55 DO.
01:31:56 I THINK YOUR WISH LIST IS GOING TO REQUIRE A CHARTER
01:31:59 AMENDMENT.
01:31:59 AND I AM LETTING YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT UP FRONT.
01:32:02 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU HAD SEVERAL OTHER COMMENTS AND
01:32:05 REQUESTS THAT I THOUGHT WERE VERY REASONABLE, AND I SEE
01:32:07 NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE INTO
01:32:11 THE EXISTING DRAFT AND MOVE THIS MATTER FORWARD.
01:32:18 I WILL CONSIDER YOUR REQUEST ABOUT YOUR SPECIFIC REQUEST,
01:32:22 NOT SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT WERE MENTIONED, BUT YOUR
01:32:25 SPECIFIC REQUESTS WITH RESPECT TO THIS, QUOTE, STAND-BY
01:32:30 COUNSEL IF THERE WAS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE CRB AND THE
01:32:33 CITY.
01:32:34 BUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROPOSALS AS YOU KNOW, THEY GO TOO
01:32:40 FAR, AND ARE NOT POSSIBLE UNDER THE CHARTER.
01:32:45 SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT.
01:32:50 ON THE ISSUE OF APPOINTMENTS, ON THE ISSUE OF THE BOARDS,
01:32:52 AND AGAIN, MR. DINGFELDER AND MR. SHELBY DON'T WANT ME TO
01:32:56 GET INTO THIS, BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE UNDER THE CHARTER
01:32:59 WITH RESPECT TO WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE
01:33:01 APPOINTMENTS.
01:33:01 SO I AM NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT AND ARGUE IT.
01:33:05 I AM JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT MR. CARLSON, THE MOTION
01:33:08 THAT YOU ARE MAKING RIGHT NOW IS NOT FEASIBLE UNDER THE
01:33:12 CHARTER.
01:33:12 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, COULD I?
01:33:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
01:33:19 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK, SORRY, MY INTENT WAS NOT THAT
01:33:23 YOU WOULD TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HEARD AND PUT IT INTO A
01:33:26 DRAFT.
01:33:28 INSTEAD, THAT YOU WOULD TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD
01:33:30 AND THINK ABOUT IT IN CONSIDERATION AND COME BACK WITH A
01:33:33 NEW PROPOSAL.
01:33:35 THAT WOULD BE MODIFIED FROM THE PAST.
01:33:39 THERE IS SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD THAT WAS
01:33:41 CONFLICTING.
01:33:42 WE ALSO HEARD FROM THE PBA.
01:33:45 AND I UNDERSTAND ALL THE HOURS THAT YOUR TEAM HAS PUT IN,
01:33:48 AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING, WORKED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT
01:33:52 CITIES.
01:33:53 BUT WITH THE REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE REQUESTS OF
01:33:57 CITY COUNCIL, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK IN A MOTION IS
01:33:59 THAT YOU ALL COME BACK TO US IN A MONTH WITH A REVISED
01:34:03 DRAFT, AND THINGS YOU HAVE SPOKEN INDIVIDUALLY TO, AND
01:34:09 IDEALLY IF WE JUST TAKE ANOTHER MONTH TO LOOK AT THE
01:34:12 DRAFT, IT WILL COME BACK BETTER THAN THIS ONE EVEN.
01:34:15 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA, IF I MAY.
01:34:19 >>GINA GRIMES: THIS IS WHAT -- MR. CARLSON, THE ACLU
01:34:26 GAVE ME A LIST OF TEN DIFFERENT CHANGES, THEY WANTED TO
01:34:30 SEE FROM MY DRAFT.
01:34:31 AND AS I MENTIONED TO THEM, OR TOLD THEM YESTERDAY, THAT
01:34:36 THE CHANGES IDENTIFIED, AND THERE WERE FIVE, SIX CHANGES
01:34:41 THAT I THOUGHT WERE REASONABLE, AND DIDN'T REQUIRE A
01:34:45 CHARTER AMENDMENT AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM
01:34:47 AS FAR AS AMENDING OUR DRAFT TO INCORPORATE THESE ISSUES
01:34:50 THAT SHE RAISED IN THIS E-MAIL THAT SHE SENT TO ME.
01:34:54 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
01:35:00 DID YOU CALL ME, MR. CHAIR?
01:35:02 I'M SORRY. THIS IS LUIS VIERA.
01:35:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, I HEARD YOU.
01:35:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:35:09 JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE
01:35:11 FORWARD WITH SOMETHING TODAY THAT TAKES UP SOME OF THE
01:35:17 IDEAS THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT IN HIS LAST
01:35:19 STATEMENT, MANY OF WHICH ARE REASONABLE.
01:35:21 I BELIEVE MS. GRIMES, CORRECT ME IF I AM HEARING YOU
01:35:25 WRONG, MS. GRIMES-OH WAS AMENABLE TO MANY OF THEM, AGAIN
01:35:30 CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
01:35:31 ADMINISTRATION, AND THANK YOU, MA'AM.
01:35:34 THAT WAS JUST PUT FORWARD.
01:35:36 TAKE AWAY THE IDEAS WITH REGARDS TO SEPARATE COUNSEL
01:35:40 WHICH I STRONGLY SUPPORT, A MAJORITY OF VOTES COMING FROM
01:35:44 COUNCIL, BUT I STRONGLY SUPPORT. THIS MOVES US FORWARD
01:35:47 SIGNIFICANTLY.
01:35:49 THIS COUNCIL HAS, I BELIEVE, A MAJORITY THAT WANTS THOSE
01:35:53 TWO THINGS TO GET IN THERE, SEPARATE COUNSEL, A MAJORITY
01:35:56 OF APPOINTMENTS COMING FROM CITY COUNCIL.
01:35:59 WE ARE GOING TO RESPECTFULLY, I THINK, BE PUSHING FOR
01:36:03 THAT BUT WE WOULD BE FOOLS TO NOT MOVE FORWARD ON A
01:36:07 PROPOSED ORDINANCE TODAY, AN ORDINANCE TO BE DRAFTED, AND
01:36:11 THAT TO HAVE A DIALOGUE ON THE POINTS THAT WE WANTED TO
01:36:14 PUSH TO ARE THOSE APPOINTMENTS.
01:36:16 WE SHOULDN'T JUST LEAVE THIS ALONE.
01:36:18 WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THIS MAKES REAL PROGRESS
01:36:20 TO THE COMMUNITY.
01:36:21 AND I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN WORK FORWARD ON THE APPOINTMENT
01:36:24 ISSUE WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND ON SEPARATE COUNCIL, IN THE
01:36:28 NEXT MONTH WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
01:36:29 AND AGAIN, I SUPPORT THOSE BUT WE WOULD BE FOOLS IF WE
01:36:32 LET GO OF THIS MOMENT.
01:36:34 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:36:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:36:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW MS. GRIMES AND HER TEAM WORKED
01:36:45 VERY, VERY HARD WHEN WE FIRST ASKED THEM, WHEN I FIRST
01:36:51 MADE THE MOTION FOR A FEW THINGS, THE ADMINISTRATION CAME
01:36:53 BACK WITH A LOT OF THINGS. THIS IS LIKE A DOUBLE-EDGED
01:36:54 SWORD.
01:36:55 AND YOU NEVER MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
01:37:00 BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME IDEAS
01:37:06 TODAY.
01:37:07 BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME CHARTER ISSUES.
01:37:11 I BELIEVE DOWN THE ROAD, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, THAT
01:37:15 WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE CHARTER AMENDMENT ISSUES AND GET
01:37:17 THOSE ON THE BOOKS.
01:37:19 MR. MIRANDA IS CORRECT.
01:37:20 HE'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.
01:37:21 HE UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS WORKS.
01:37:24 WHAT I CALLED THE OLD COMMANDER.
01:37:26 FULL OF WISDOM.
01:37:27 AND HE IS RIGHT.
01:37:29 YOU CAN'T PUT A BAND-AID ON SOMETHING.
01:37:31 I BELIEVE WE HAVE GOT A GREAT, GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO STOP
01:37:35 THE BLEEDING, BUT I THINK EVENTUALLY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE
01:37:40 TO HAVE A SURGEON COME IN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE CHARTER
01:37:43 AMENDMENT SITUATIONS AND BE ABLE TO GET REQUEST EVERYBODY
01:37:46 INVOLVED TO GET THE RIGHT FIX, TO GET CHANGING THE
01:37:50 CHARTER SOME WE CAN MOVE AND PUT THIS ISSUE TO BED.
01:37:53 THOSE ARE MY TWO POINTS ON IT.
01:37:56 TO SEE WHAT WE CAN MOVE ON TODAY.
01:37:58 BUT DOWN THE ROAD, SOONER THAN LATER, WE HAVE TO GET THE
01:38:01 CHARTER CHANGES.
01:38:02 THANK YOU, SIR.
01:38:03 I YIELD BACK.
01:38:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:38:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY.
01:38:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
01:38:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APOLOGIZE TO MS. GRIMES AND THE
01:38:13 WHOLE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IF IT WAS TAKEN IN THE SIMPLE WAY
01:38:15 THAT I MEANT FOR A BAND-AID.
01:38:17 THE BAND-AID, MY INFORMATION, WHAT I THOUGHT I SAID
01:38:20 CLEARLY, WAS ONLY TO MAKE A SIMPLE CHANGE, AND IT CAN BE
01:38:25 CHANGED BY A SIMPLE REVERSING IT WITH THIS COUNCIL OR
01:38:28 OTHER COUNCILS IN THE FUTURE.
01:38:29 THE BAND-AID THAT MR. GUDES SAID IS PUT GETTING IT
01:38:36 SUPERGLUED WITH MANY HOLES TO FILL BEFORE IT GOT THERE.
01:38:39 AND I APOLOGIZE AGAIN TO MR. GUDES.
01:38:44 HOWEVER, I AGREE WITH MR. DINGFELDER ON THE SIX MONTHS
01:38:47 VERSUS THREE MONTHS FOR THE PERSON TO HAVE THE
01:38:49 REQUIREMENTS TO CONTINUE SERVING.
01:38:51 AND ALSO, I BELIEVE ONE OR TWO OTHERS SAID, WHAT IS IT,
01:39:01 THE CRA.
01:39:04 HOWEVER, THE CRA DOES NOT COMPOSE THE MAJORITY OF THE
01:39:09 CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA WHEN YOU LOOK AT
01:39:11 POPULATIONWISE.
01:39:12 SO MAYBE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SECOND THAT PART I
01:39:21 FOR GOT THE FIRST PART.
01:39:23 GOT SO MANY LITTLE PIECES OF PAPER HERE, YOU WOULD THINK
01:39:25 I AM BACK IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TRYING TO LEARN THE ABCs
01:39:29 WHICH MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE LEARNED A LITTLE BETTER.
01:39:31 BUT THESE THINGS ARE PARAMOUNT.
01:39:33 I THINK WE HAVE HEARD IMPROVEMENTS OVER WHAT WE HAD
01:39:38 BEFORE.
01:39:38 FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER.
01:39:41 ALL OF US INVOLVED.
01:39:42 AND THAT'S THE FIRST BASE SECTION OF SOLVING A PROBLEM
01:39:47 WITH EVERYBODY WORKING TOWARD SOLVING A PROBLEM.
01:39:52 AND I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE ACLU, OF ALL THAT CAME
01:39:58 TODAY AND SPOKE, THE V-R-B BOARD, AND IT'S BEEN A
01:40:03 WELCOMING IMPROVEMENT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE
01:40:07 TAKEN CARE OF, AS MR. GUDES SAID, A CHARTER CHANGE.
01:40:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:40:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:40:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, I AGREE WITH THE THINGS MY
01:40:22 COLLEAGUES SAID.
01:40:23 BUT LISTENING TO ALL OF THAT, WE STILL NEED TIME TO
01:40:25 FIGURE OUT THE WORDING AND WHAT EXACTLY WOULD GO IN THIS.
01:40:29 AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE WE
01:40:33 OFFICIALLY SETTLE UP A FIRST HEARING FOR ORDINANCE.
01:40:36 AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE NEED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO WORK
01:40:39 OUT THE CHARTER, THE ISSUES BEHIND THE SCENE.
01:40:42 SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.
01:40:45 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
01:40:47 OFFICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TAKE INTO
01:40:49 CONSIDERATION THE PUBLIC COMMENT, EXPERT COMMENTS, AND
01:40:52 COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL, TO DEVELOP A NEW DRAFT TO BE
01:40:55 PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 19th MEETING AND DISCUSS
01:40:58 AND WORK OUT SOLUTIONS TO CHARTER CHANGES REGARDING THIS
01:41:01 ISSUE.
01:41:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
01:41:04 CARLSON FOR NOVEMBER 19th UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
01:41:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
01:41:10 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY WE CAN HAVE
01:41:15 IT DONE.
01:41:16 ABSOLUTELY NO WAY.
01:41:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
01:41:18 I HAVE THE CALENDAR IN FRONT OF ME.
01:41:21 WE HAVE DECEMBER 17th.
01:41:26 >>GINA GRIMES: IF WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON ALL THESE
01:41:28 ISSUES THAT EXIST UNDER THE CHARTER WITH THE PROPOSALS,
01:41:30 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THE ACLU WOULD LIKE TO IN IT,
01:41:34 AND WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THE PBA WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN
01:41:37 IT AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH CHARTER ISSUES, PROBABLY SIX
01:41:39 MONTHS AWAY.
01:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIX MONTHS?
01:41:42 SO WE ARE LOOKING AT -- I HAVE AS FAR AS APRIL.
01:41:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN?
01:41:54 MARTIN SHELBY.
01:41:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. DINGFELDER?
01:42:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SHELBY.
01:42:01 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
01:42:03 THANK YOU.
01:42:04 AND THANK YOU TO CITY COUNCIL AND MS. GRIMES.
01:42:08 I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSIONS VERY CLOSELY.
01:42:11 AND I HEARD THE CONCERNS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
01:42:16 AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONSENSUS OF THIS COUNCIL.
01:42:20 AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF
01:42:23 GREAT THINGS IN THIS ORDINANCE UPON WHICH THIS COUNCIL
01:42:26 CAN AGREE.
01:42:28 I BELIEVE THAT WAS STATED, AND I BELIEVE BY COUNCILMAN
01:42:33 VIERA.
01:42:34 THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COULD YOU SORT OF
01:42:39 BIFURCATE?
01:42:41 RATHER THAN CHARTER CHANGES, THERE MAY BE CHARTER ISSUES
01:42:44 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THIS
01:42:48 ORDINANCE.
01:42:48 AND I THINK THEY CAN POSSIBLY BE RESOLVED.
01:42:51 AND THAT WAS MY CONVERSATION THAT I MADE EARLIER AND MY
01:42:55 CONVERSATION YESTERDAY -- AND MS. GRIMES.
01:43:04 I THINK THE FIRST PART OF YOUR MOTION TO COME BACK WITH
01:43:08 THE LANGUAGE DISCUSSED TODAY COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH AN
01:43:11 ORDINANCE, DOES MOVE THIS FORWARD, WHERE WE CAN IDENTIFY
01:43:14 AND DISCUSS MAYBE PERHAPS WHEN WE COME BACK KIND OF
01:43:16 ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AND MAY NEED TO BE
01:43:21 RESOLVED LATER IN A CHARTER CHANGE.
01:43:23 I DON'T THINK IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO PUT THIS OFF
01:43:26 FOR SIX MONTHS.
01:43:27 I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING THIS COUNCIL AND THIS
01:43:30 ADMINISTRATION FOR ACTION.
01:43:31 AND YOU HAVE THE TOOLS IN FRONT OF YOU TO DO THAT.
01:43:36 >>GINA GRIMES: I DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO DRAFT AN
01:43:39 ORDINANCE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING THAT WAS
01:43:41 SAID TODAY.
01:43:43 IT'S ALMOST 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
01:43:45 WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR FIVE HOURS NOW.
01:43:47 HOW IN THE WORLD AM I GOING TO DRAFT SOMETHING THAT TAKES
01:43:50 INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID TODAY?
01:43:52 IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK.
01:43:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT THE CITY
01:44:02 ATTORNEY MAKES.
01:44:03 COUNCIL, MY SUGGESTION IN THAT CASE IS, BECAUSE THERE'S A
01:44:08 LOT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, AND QUITE FRANKLY I CANNOT
01:44:12 DETERMINE FROM WHERE I SIT NOW WHAT THE CONSENSUS OF
01:44:15 COUNCIL IS.
01:44:15 SO MY SUGGESTION IS, I AM GOING TO ASK, AFTER THIS, IF
01:44:21 YOU WANT TO PUT THIS OFF FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, TWO
01:44:24 FOLD, FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REFLECT UPON WHAT THEY
01:44:27 HEARD TODAY, AND FOR AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME AND MS. GRIMES
01:44:31 TO WORK OUT OUR ISSUES, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE
01:44:34 THIS LENGTHY PUBLIC DISCOURSE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
01:44:37 SIX MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS.
01:44:40 SO MY RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT YOU
01:44:43 HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, IS SOMETHING THAT'S A WORKABLE
01:44:46 ITEM, AND IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, BUT MY SUGGESTION TO
01:44:50 YOU IS PLEASE BE SPECIFIC IN YOUR MOTIONS TO THE CITY
01:44:55 ATTORNEY SO THAT SHE HAS GOOD DIRECTION, BECAUSE WHAT SHE
01:44:59 IS SAYING IS IN FACT TRUE, IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK BASED
01:45:02 ON THIS MOTION, BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID
01:45:05 TODAY.
01:45:10 I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK COUNCIL TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND
01:45:13 REFLECTIVE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ASKING OF THE
01:45:18 ADMINISTRATION AS A RESULT OF WHAT THEY HEARD NOT ONLY
01:45:19 FROM THE PUBLIC BUT ESPECIALLY WHAT THEY HEARD EACH OTHER
01:45:22 SAY TODAY.
01:45:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
01:45:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA, I HEARD YOU CHIME IN.
01:45:26 I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO CARLSON.
01:45:28 >>LUIS VIERA: NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION SOMETHING,
01:45:32 BUT I THINK IT'S MR. SHELBY'S COMMENTS I THINK MADE THAT
01:45:37 I WOULD THINK SUPERFLUOUS.
01:45:41 AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A LOT TO WORK WITH.
01:45:47 AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD IN
01:45:50 THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, AND WE SHOULD CERTAINLY TAKE
01:45:55 ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY.
01:45:57 THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED DOES A LOT OF GOOD, HAS IDEAS
01:46:00 THAT I STAND BEHIND, THAT SUPPLEMENT THAT.
01:46:03 WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS WORK.
01:46:06 I REALLY THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
01:46:08 THAT'S MY OPINION.
01:46:09 IF WE KICK IT DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE TOO FAR, WE MAY
01:46:13 REGRET IT.
01:46:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:46:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:46:16 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, FOR MR. SHELBY, WHAT DO YOU
01:46:22 RECOMMEND ON THE MOTION?
01:46:24 THE WORD -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
01:46:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR BECAUSE OF
01:46:33 THE NOISE.
01:46:33 I'M SORRY.
01:46:34 >>BILL CARLSON: THE WORD I USED AT THE END OF THE MOTION
01:46:36 WERE CHARTER CHALLENGES, NOT CHARTER CHANGES.
01:46:39 BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT MRS. GRIMES SAYS ABOUT THE
01:46:42 DIFFICULTY OF PUTTING ALL OF THIS TOGETHER.
01:46:46 I THINK THERE WERE MULTIPLE ADDITIONS THAT WE ALL WANT TO
01:46:49 MAKE BASED ON THIS.
01:46:52 AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED ANOTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE
01:46:56 COME BACK WITH AN OFFICIAL DRAFT OF AN ORDINANCE.
01:46:58 THAT'S THE POINT IN MY MOTION.
01:47:00 IF SOMEBODY HAS A WAY TO BETTER WORD IT, I WILL EDIT IT
01:47:04 OR IF SOMEBODY HAS A BETTER MOTION I WILL WITHDRAW THIS
01:47:07 AND YOU CAN MAKE ONE.
01:47:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
01:47:17 >>GINA GRIMES: I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
01:47:18 WHY DON'T I DO THIS?
01:47:20 WHY DON'T I TAKE THE DRAFT THAT'S CIRCULATED TO
01:47:23 EVERYBODY, WORK AS I SUGGESTED EARLIER, WORK WITH THE
01:47:26 ACLU ON THE SIX CHANGES THEY LISTED THAT I BELIEVE ARE
01:47:34 ACCEPTABLE, WORK WITH THE PBA ON THE CHANGES THAT THEY
01:47:37 ALSO REQUESTED TO CLARIFY SOME ISSUES RELATED TO
01:47:39 CONFIDENTIALITY AND THE INVESTIGATION, AND THEN BRING
01:47:43 THAT DOCUMENT BACK TO YOU.
01:47:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED FOR
01:47:48 THAT?
01:47:49 >>GINA GRIMES: TILL NOVEMBER.
01:47:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY LIST THAT YOU SENT --
01:48:01 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
01:48:02 I WOULD INCLUDE MR. DINGFELDER'S LIST OF VARIOUS
01:48:04 DIFFERENT REQUESTS.
01:48:07 THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ISSUE IS ON THE APPOINTMENTS, AND
01:48:10 HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT.
01:48:14 I HAVE HEARD SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.
01:48:17 AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE LEGAL ISSUES
01:48:21 ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT A LEGAL ISSUE UNDER THE CHARTER
01:48:26 ABOUT WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE ALL THE APPOINTMENTS,
01:48:28 OR TO STRUCTURE THE APPOINTMENTS, I SHOULD SAY.
01:48:31 SO THAT WAS SOMETHING MR. SHELBY AND I WOULD HAVE TO
01:48:37 DISCUSS OFF-LINE.
01:48:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON --
01:48:48 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. SHELBY, BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK IF I
01:48:51 COULD RESTATE THE MOTION WITHOUT THE LAST HALF OF THE
01:48:53 LAST SENTENCE AND SEE IF I CAN STILL GET A SECOND.
01:48:56 I THINK THAT IT SUFFICIENTLY DESCRIBES WHAT MRS. GRIMES
01:49:00 JUST DESCRIBED THAT SHE'S GOING TO DO, BUT IF IT DOESN'T
01:49:03 ONE OF YOU CAN LET ME KNOW HOW TO EDIT IT.
01:49:06 SO HERE IS THE REVISION.
01:49:07 >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
01:49:12 BUT THE WAY FRANKLY MS. GRIMES ARTICULATED IT, MR.
01:49:17 CARLSON, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO WHAT SHE SAID,
01:49:20 I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL ARTICULATED AND IT CERTAINLY
01:49:24 GIVES CLEAR DIRECTION, SO YOU CAN REARTICULATE OR YOU
01:49:31 CAN -- [AUDIO INTERFERENCE] ADOPT WHAT HER
01:49:33 RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
01:49:36 OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THAT, IF
01:49:40 THAT'S PROPER.
01:49:42 IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?
01:49:43 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I JUST REVISIT AGAIN AND YOU TELL
01:49:46 ME -- IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.
01:49:49 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
01:49:52 OFFICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TAKE INTO
01:49:54 CONSIDERATION THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, EXPERT COMMENTS, AND
01:49:57 COMMENTS FROM CITY COUNCIL, TO DEVELOP A NEW DRAFT TO BE
01:50:00 PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 19th MEETING.
01:50:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF THAT
01:50:11 COMPORTS WITH WHAT SHE UNDERSTANDS?
01:50:13 >>GINA GRIMES: NO.
01:50:14 AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, MR. SHELBY, IT'S TOO AMORPHOUS.
01:50:19 I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHANGES SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
01:50:21 WE HAVE A WORKING DRAFT.
01:50:22 WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE PBA.
01:50:24 WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE ACLU.
01:50:27 MR. DINGFELDER IDENTIFIED SIX OR SEVEN OTHER CHANGES.
01:50:31 AND THEN THERE'S THE OUTSTANDING ISSUE.
01:50:35 AND SO IF I CAN MOVE FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE PBA CHANGES,
01:50:41 ACLU CHANGES, MR. DINGFELDER'S CHANGES, AND LEAVE
01:50:44 OUTSTANDING THE LEGAL ISSUES THAT MR. SHELBY AND I WOULD
01:50:47 NEED TO DISCUSS ON APPOINTMENTS AND THEN BRING IT BACK IN
01:50:50 TWO MONTHS.
01:50:50 >>BILL CARLSON: TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION COMMENTS FROM
01:50:58 THE PBA, THE ACLU, AND --
01:51:07 >>GINA GRIMES: AND EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS A LIST OF TEN
01:51:09 CHANGES IN THEIR E-MAIL, THE ACLU CHANGES IN THE E-MAIL.
01:51:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE TAKE GINA SUGGESTED
01:51:19 MOTIONS AND JUST ADOPT THAT?
01:51:23 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY.
01:51:24 I PROPOSE GINA'S MOTION.
01:51:24 [ LAUGHTER ]
01:51:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ADOPT THE MOTION AS ARTICULATED BY THE
01:51:31 CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE FACT THAT -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
01:51:43 AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY CLEARLY ARTICULATED
01:51:49 THE JOB AHEAD OF HER.
01:51:51 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME A SECOND
01:51:54 TO READ THIS, I THINK -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
01:51:57 THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION COMMENTS
01:51:59 FROM THE PBA, THE ACLU TEN-POINT DRAFT AND COUNCILMAN
01:52:04 DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS TO DEVELOP A NEW DRAFT TO BE
01:52:08 PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 19th MEETING.
01:52:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
01:52:14 THAT IS THE MOTION?
01:52:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. GRIMES?
01:52:22 THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND FORGIVE ME FOR ASKING
01:52:25 THIS QUESTION, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DIALOGUE FROM CITY
01:52:27 COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO TOOK POSITIONS AND POLICIES,
01:52:31 STATEMENTS, AND I AM WONDERING WHAT WEIGHT DOES ANY OF
01:52:34 THAT HAVE TODAY?
01:52:36 AS YOU MOVE FORWARD?
01:52:38 >>LUIS VIERA: VIERA.
01:52:41 IF I MAY.
01:52:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:52:43 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:52:46 THE WAY I ENVISION, TO ANSWER MR. SHELBY'S QUESTION, IS
01:52:49 THAT THIS MOTION MOVES FORWARD ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE
01:52:52 AGREED WITH THAT ENGAGES FURTHER DIALOGUE ON THOSE ISSUES
01:52:55 SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PASS THAT MOVES
01:52:59 THIS ISSUE FORWARD COLLABORATIVELY.
01:53:02 SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MOTION, UNLESS I AM READING IT
01:53:06 WRONG, WOULD TAKE THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON VERY
01:53:11 SMALL ISSUES.
01:53:12 LET ME BE CLEAR. I THINK THIS CITY COUNCIL, I THINK ALL
01:53:14 OF US AGREE WITH 75, 80% OF THE ISSUES WITH THE
01:53:19 ADMINISTRATION AS IT APPLIES TO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
01:53:22 THERE ARE CERTAIN ISSUES THAT SOME OF US TAKE EXCEPTION
01:53:24 TO, RESPECTFULLY.
01:53:25 WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THOSE.
01:53:27 BUT I THINK UNLESS I AM READING THIS MOTION WRONG, IT
01:53:31 PUTS FORTH THAT 80%.
01:53:33 LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 20%, AND NOVEMBER 19TH LET'S VOTE ON
01:53:37 SOMETHING.
01:53:38 MOVING IT FORWARD.
01:53:39 UNLESS I AM READING IT WRONG.
01:53:41 THANK YOU, CHAIR.
01:53:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH WHAT'S SAID AND I THINK
01:53:48 THE MOTION MADE BY MR. CARLSON, DOES THAT MEAN NOVEMBER
01:53:51 19th WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON THE FINAL DRAFT OF AN
01:53:54 ORDINANCE TO PUT FORWARD OR CLEAN UP FROM WHAT WE HEARD
01:53:56 TODAY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE ISSUES WERE ADDRESSED
01:54:00 BEFORE THIS COUNCIL?
01:54:01 AND IF ANYTHING ELSE IS NEEDED, THEN YOU HAVE A SECOND
01:54:04 ONE TO CLEAN UP.
01:54:06 WE CAN'T DO THIS OVERNIGHT.
01:54:07 WE CAN'T DO IT -- THIS LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING
01:54:12 OVERTIME AND DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE CITY.
01:54:14 HOWEVER, WE ARE ASKING TO GET US SOMETHING, AND WHEN THE
01:54:18 CITY ATTORNEY TELLS US, NOT BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO
01:54:22 DO IT, BECAUSE THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF INFORMATION
01:54:24 THAT CAME IN TODAY TO DIGEST AND GO BACK TO EVERYBODY TO
01:54:28 PUT IT IN A FINAL ORDINANCE, WILL NOT BE DONE IN SIXTY
01:54:33 DAYS.
01:54:34 AND I BELIEVE REFOCUS IT AND SET IT TO SIXTY DAYS OR A
01:54:40 SMALLER AMOUNT AND PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE TO SEE HOW A
01:54:44 FINAL DRAFT LOOKS.
01:54:49 I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE READY TO HAVE A FINAL
01:54:52 DRAFT FOR AN ORDINANCE IN NOVEMBER.
01:54:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT.
01:55:05 I APPLAUD THE EFFORT.
01:55:06 THEY ARE REALLY WORKING TO GET IT RIGHT, MAKE SURE
01:55:11 EVERYONE IS HAPPY.
01:55:12 AND I SAY EVERYONE IS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY.
01:55:15 MY ONLY POINT RIGHT NOW IS THAT MS. GRIMES IS GOING BACK,
01:55:20 TRYING TO CLEAN UP, TRYING TO MAKE MORE CONCESSIONS, SO
01:55:23 FORTH AND SO ON, TO BRING TO US.
01:55:25 BUT YET WE STILL MAY HAVE THE ISSUE OF CHARTER ISSUES
01:55:32 WITH HER AND MR. SHELBY WITH THAT INFORMATION.
01:55:34 WE NEED TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION TO WORK OUT AND
01:55:36 SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO.
01:55:38 IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
01:55:40 HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T.
01:55:40 BUT AGAIN, TO COME AND WORK IT OUT TAKES THE OTHER 20%
01:55:46 THAT MR. VIERA IS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S GOING TO BE THAT
01:55:49 20% OF THAT CHARTER AMENDMENT.
01:55:50 I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO
01:55:56 HAVE TO BE IN A CHARTER AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT
01:55:59 THE DIFFERENT BOARD, WHO HAS POWER, I THINK AT THE END OF
01:56:01 THE DAY IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO US MAKING A MOTION
01:56:03 ABOUT THE CHARTER.
01:56:04 I YIELD BACK TO YOU.
01:56:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:56:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN?
01:56:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:56:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. GRIMES, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO
01:56:26 ASK, I KNOW YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF HOURS INTO IT, AND
01:56:30 THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO EXPRESS IS WE DO
01:56:33 APPRECIATE IT.
01:56:33 WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY SPENDING HOURS, INCLUDING THE
01:56:36 ACLU AND THE COMMUNITY, ET CETERA.
01:56:38 BUT THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO DISCUSS, AND URSULA, THE
01:56:43 OTHER THING I WANTED TO DISCUSS IS THE FACT THAT -- AND I
01:56:48 THINK SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY HAVE MISSED.
01:56:51 JUST BECAUSE WE ARE TWEAKING THIS, JUST BECAUSE, YOU
01:56:53 KNOW, WE STARTED THIS X NUMBER OF MONTHS AGO, FOUR MONTHS
01:56:58 AGO, TALKING ABOUT IT, AND THE MAYOR AND THE CITY
01:57:03 COLLABORATED TOGETHER TO MAKE A LOT OF THESE PROPOSALS,
01:57:07 AND NOW WE ARE GIVING MORE FEEDBACK.
01:57:09 AND THAT IS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
01:57:11 SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE
01:57:14 APPRECIATE THE PROGRESS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE,
01:57:19 THAT TPD HAS MADE, AND MAKING THESE SUGGESTIONS, AND NOW
01:57:24 WE ARE MAKING SOME ADDITIONAL WORK, SO I DON'T WANT YOU
01:57:29 TO THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT APPRECIATED, THAT
01:57:34 MAYOR CASTOR ISN'T APPRECIATED -- AND I HOPE SHE'S
01:57:36 LISTENING -- AND TPD ISN'T APPRECIATED.
01:57:40 EVERYBODY INVOLVED, AND LET'S CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
01:57:44 I THINK THIS IS A GREAT MEETING.
01:57:45 CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE.
01:57:50 THANK YOU.
01:57:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:57:52 COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS A MOTION.
01:57:55 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
01:57:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND BY MIRANDA.
01:57:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:58:01 LET'S GET A ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:58:02 >>GINA GRIMES: CAN YOU READ THE MOTION, PLEASE?
01:58:06 THIS IS GINA GRIMES.
01:58:07 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE
01:58:13 CITY ATTORNEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION COMMENTS FROM THE
01:58:15 PBA, THE ACLU TEN POINT DRAFT, AND COUNCILMAN
01:58:19 DINGFELDER'S COMMENTS TO DEVELOP A NEW DRAFT TO BE
01:58:22 PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 19th MEETING.
01:58:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
01:58:28 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:58:28 >>BILL CARLSON: UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
01:58:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:58:34 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:58:35 ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:58:36 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
01:58:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
01:58:39 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:58:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:58:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
01:58:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
01:58:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:58:50 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:58:53 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, SORRY.
01:59:00 I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT MR. DINGFELDER JUST SAID.
01:59:02 IF THE MAYOR WAS NOT COLLABORATIVE WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING
01:59:09 THIS CONVERSATION AT ALL.
01:59:10 WE WOULD BE HAVING A CHARTER FIGHT.
01:59:11 SO I WANT TO SAY I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT
01:59:15 GINA, HER WHOLE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE, AND ALSO THAT THE
01:59:18 MAYOR IS ENGAGING US COLLABORATIVELY, AND ALSO I WANT TO
01:59:22 SAY THAT WE APPRECIATE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND
01:59:25 INCLUDED THE PBA HERE.
01:59:27 SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY.
01:59:31 IT SOUNDS COMPLICATED BUT THE CITY IS WORKING TOGETHER
01:59:35 COLLABORATIVELY, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
01:59:38 THANK YOU.
01:59:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:59:43 WE GO ON TO OUR LAST ITEM.
01:59:45 AND I THINK, VIK, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, IF YOU ARE
01:59:49 READY.
01:59:49 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS VIERA.
01:59:51 I HAVE TO STEP OUT FOR 25 MINUTES FOR THAT MEETING.
01:59:54 I SHALL RETURN.
01:59:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO PROBLEM.
01:59:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER.
02:00:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:00:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: UNLESS WHAT MR. BHIDE -- I DON'T KNOW
02:00:08 WHAT HE'S SPEAKING OF, BUT IT'S LATE IN THE AFTERNOON AND
02:00:10 WE HAVE TO START UP AGAIN AT FIVE.
02:00:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE OVER 20 ITEMS TONIGHT.
02:00:17 REMEMBER THAT. WE START AT FIVE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
02:00:18 LONG NIGHT.
02:00:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK UNLESS IT'S TOTALLY PRESSING
02:00:22 AND TIME SENSITIVE, I WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE
02:00:26 CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND ADJOURN THIS MEETING AS QUICKLY AS
02:00:29 POSSIBLE.
02:00:30 >> HE DID SEND A PRESENTATION BY E-MAIL.
02:00:34 I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ALL LOOK AT.
02:00:38 SO WE WILL HAVE BEEN SOME INFORMATION AND WE CAN REVIEW
02:00:41 IT OURSELVES.
02:00:42 SO IF MR. BHIDE IS ON THE LINE, IF WE COULD CONTINUE THIS
02:00:51 TO PERHAPS -- THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS PRETTY BUSY.
02:00:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY.
02:00:59 MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION?
02:01:01 I BELIEVE THIS IS COUNCILMAN CITRO'S MOTION AND IF HE HAS
02:01:07 A POSITION HE WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS.
02:01:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
02:01:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MARTY.
02:01:12 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:01:14 I APPROACHED MR. BHIDE ABOUT ASKING HIM TO EXPLORE THE
02:01:19 FUTURE NEEDS OF PARKING WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA -- NOT
02:01:27 NECESSARILY IN DOWNTOWN BUT IN THE RESIDENTIAL
02:01:29 NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO COPE WITH PARKING
02:01:32 IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
02:01:35 THIS IS A DISCUSSION WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE AT SOME
02:01:38 POINT.
02:01:39 I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A VERY BUSY EVENING.
02:01:43 I THANK MR. BHIDE FOR BEING BROUGHT ON MY REQUEST.
02:01:46 SO IF IT IS OKAY WITH MR. BHIDE TO PUT THIS ON HOLD, THEN
02:01:53 AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, I WILL BE SATISFIED WITH
02:01:57 THAT.
02:01:58 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:01:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A FUTURE DATE OR YOU ARE
02:02:02 JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT UP THERE UNTIL WE --
02:02:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:02:07 MR. CHAIR, THE IDEA TO POSTPONE IS NOT MINE.
02:02:11 HOWEVER, IF COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS A FUTURE DATE, I
02:02:16 WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
02:02:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, IF I CAN.
02:02:21 THE NEXT WORKSHOP DATE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ONE IN
02:02:26 OCTOBER.
02:02:27 IN OCTOBER.
02:02:29 AND YOU ALSO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING THAT NIGHT.
02:02:31 SO I BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, TOO, LOOKING AT YOUR
02:02:34 CALENDAR.
02:02:35 THAT IS A MAJOR LAND USE NIGHT.
02:02:39 YOU HAVE NO WORKSHOPS IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
02:02:41 YOUR NEXT REGULAR WORKSHOP IS JANUARY 28th, 2021,
02:02:47 UNLESS YOU WANT A STAFF REPORT, SET SOME TIME ASIDE TO BE
02:02:51 ABLE TO DISCUSS THIS.
02:02:52 BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION NOW TO DO A
02:02:56 WORKSHOP.
02:02:56 UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS TO BE IN JANUARY UNLESS YOU WANT TO
02:02:59 ADD ADDITIONAL DATES TO THE MEETING SCHEDULE, COUNCIL'S
02:03:04 CALENDAR.
02:03:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN PUT IT UNDER STAFF REPORTS ON
02:03:09 A REGULAR COUNCIL SESSION, BUT IT'S UP TO THE MAKER OF
02:03:12 THE MOTION.
02:03:12 >>VIK BHIDE: MR. CHAIR?
02:03:14 THIS IS VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
02:03:22 WHETHER IT'S STAFF REPORT FOR THE MOTION, AND I WOULD
02:03:25 LIKE TO LET WHAT COUNCILMAN CITRO SAID, THAT THIS IS A
02:03:30 DISCUSSION THAT IS WORTHY OF HAVING HOW IT'S GOING TO
02:03:36 IMPACT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IN MY
02:03:39 ESTIMATION, IT'S NOT URGENT AT THIS POINT.
02:03:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO?
02:03:50 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
02:03:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, BUT
02:03:57 THIS CONVERSATION HAS TAKEN LONGER THAN THE REPORT
02:03:59 PROBABLY WOULD HAVE.
02:04:02 I WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE AT ANY TIME IN JANUARY WILL BE
02:04:04 FINE WITH ME.
02:04:05 THANK YOU.
02:04:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE
02:04:08 THIS ITEM THEN FOR THE JANUARY WORKSHOP?
02:04:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
02:04:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WOULD BE JANUARY 28th.
02:04:15 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:04:17 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:04:18 IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
02:04:19 ANY OBJECTION?
02:04:21 WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION, BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, THIS HAS
02:04:24 BEEN MOVED TO THE JANUARY 28th WORKSHOP SESSION AT
02:04:27 9:00 A.M.
02:04:29 OKAY.
02:04:29 THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.
02:04:32 WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO NEW BUSINESS NOW OR CAN YOU HOLD IT
02:04:34 UNTIL TONIGHT?
02:04:41 CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL DOCUMENT?
02:04:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE,
02:04:45 MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:04:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
02:04:47 MIRANDA.
02:04:48 WHO IS THE SECOND?
02:04:49 >> SECOND.
02:04:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:04:55 ANY OBJECTION?
02:04:56 OKAY.
02:04:57 HEARING NONE, BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, WE RECEIVED AND
02:05:00 FILED.
02:05:00 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
02:05:01 WE WILL BE BACK AT 5:01 THIS EVENING. OR THIS AFTERNOON.
02:05:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:05:06 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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