TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, JANUARY 21, 2021
5:01 P.M. SESSION
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17:15:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA
17:15:08 CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
17:15:09 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
17:15:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
17:15:11 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
17:15:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
17:15:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
17:15:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
17:15:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
17:15:24 >>CLERK: A FULL COUNCIL IS PRESENT.
17:15:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE CITY
17:15:30 COUNCIL AND PUBLIC.
17:15:31 MARTIN SHELBY.
17:15:40 TODAY IS THURSDAY, JANUARY 21.
17:15:43 AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ARE BEING CONDUCTED DURING THE
17:15:48 STATE OF EMERGENCY AND LIVE WITH AN IN-PERSON QUORUM
17:15:51 WITH THE OPTION OF REMOTE PARTICIPATION USING BY WHAT
17:15:54 IS KNOWN AS THE STATE OF FLORIDA STATUTE MEDIA
17:15:55 TECHNOLOGY.
17:15:57 THIS MEETING IS HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY
17:16:01 RULES OF PROCEDURES AS ADOPTED AND AMENDED BY THE TAMPA
17:16:01 CITY COUNCIL.
17:16:07 THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO WATCH THE MEETING AND VIEW IT ON
17:16:12 CABLE TV SPECTRUM 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ALSO ON
17:16:18 THE INTERNET AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
17:16:23 SINCE THIS MEETING IS ADAPTED WITH MEDIA TECHNOLOGY AND
17:16:25 ALTERNATIVE METHODS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR
17:16:27 MEMBERS OF PUBLIC TO OFFER EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY
17:16:28 DURING PUBLIC HEARING.
17:16:31 IN PERSON HERE AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, SPEAKING
17:16:36 REMOTELY, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING USING CMT THAT
17:16:38 REQUIRES ADVANCED REGISTRATION.
17:16:42 THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THAT ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE AT
17:16:48 TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
17:16:49 ONE WORD.
17:16:54 NOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO WISH TO COMMUNICATE CAN DO IT
17:16:57 BY E-MAIL OR U.S. MAIL, OR IF THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO
17:17:00 BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS TO COME INTO THE
17:17:02 ROOM, WE DO HAVE COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY
17:17:06 AVAILABLE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER OUTSIDE THE ROOM.
17:17:10 COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT -- POINT OUT THAT THE
17:17:15 WRITTEN MATERIAL TONIGHT HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO CITY
17:17:15 COUNCIL.
17:17:18 THE WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS WERE RECEIVED AND WILL BE
17:17:20 MADE PART OF THE RECORD.
17:17:24 COUNCIL, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE PUBLIC THAT
17:17:29 THIS IS THE LAST MEETING OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL THAT
17:17:31 WILL TAKE PLACE AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.
17:17:35 BEGINNING NEXT WEEK, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL WORKSHOP,
17:17:38 THEY WILL TAKE PLACE -- THE MEETINGS WILL BE AT OLD
17:17:42 CITY HALL AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
17:17:45 AND THOSE MEETINGS WILL BE SET UP SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY
17:17:51 THAN THE WAY PEOPLE ARE USED TO HAVING PUBLIC MEETINGS
17:17:52 CONDUCTED.
17:17:56 AND THAT IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE PRESENT WITH
17:17:59 A PHYSICAL QUORUM; HOWEVER, THOSE WHO WANT TO
17:18:03 PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING CAN DO SO EITHER BY
17:18:06 PREREGISTERING AND AGAIN ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB SITE
17:18:10 INSTRUCTIONS AND ALSO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF
17:18:16 USING CMT OR VIRTUAL COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY ON
17:18:18 THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL.
17:18:23 SO I JUST WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW TO CHECK THE
17:18:26 NOTICES ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE WITH REGARD TO THAT,
17:18:29 PARTICULARLY ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEB PAGE AND ALSO
17:18:31 THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
17:18:34 APPEAR IN PERSON AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER.
17:18:38 THE MEETINGS ARE BEING RELOCATED BACK TO OLD CITY HALL,
17:18:41 AND THEY WILL BE CONDUCTED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH
17:18:44 PUBLIC HEALTH GUIDELINES AND PUBLIC SAFETY DURING WHAT
17:18:47 WE STILL ARE IN, WHICH IS A COVID-19 STATE OF
17:18:48 EMERGENCY.
17:18:49 THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL.
17:18:50 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:18:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:18:54 BEFORE I GO TO HOUSEKEEPING AND WHAT NOT WITH THE
17:18:58 AGENDA, I WANTED TO -- SINCE THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING
17:19:01 HERE AT THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER, I WANT TO THANK
17:19:05 EVERYBODY THAT HAS HELPED MAKE THIS A REALITY.
17:19:07 I KNOW IT IS VERY COMPLICATED AND VERY DIFFICULT.
17:19:11 WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S WORK ON THIS.
17:19:17 ALL THE TECHNICAL FOLKS, TNI, UNA GARVEY WITH TTC, AND
17:19:20 BAILEY MORRIS.
17:19:24 EVEN THE FOLKS THAT SANITIZE THE LECTERN AFTER OF EACH
17:19:24 SPEAKER.
17:19:28 THEY ARE HERE FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END.
17:19:30 THESE MEETINGS ARE VERY LONG JUST LIKE TONIGHT IS GOING
17:19:30 TO BE.
17:19:34 AND THE SECURITY AS WELL, TPD THAT KEPT US SAFE AND
17:19:35 MONITORED STUFF.
17:19:38 I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY SINCE THIS IS OUR LAST
17:19:42 MEETING HERE AND WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO OLD CITY HALL
17:19:43 NEXT THURSDAY.
17:19:46 HAVING SAID THAT, HOUSEKEEPING ON THIS AGENDA, I KNOW
17:19:49 ITEM NUMBER --
17:19:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIR, AS A POINT OF ORDER, CAN
17:19:53 I ASK YOU A QUESTION?
17:19:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE.
17:19:57 WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK?
17:20:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG IT WAS --
17:20:05 APRIL OR MAY WHEN WE DECIDED WE COULDN'T SAFELY MEET AT
17:20:06 CITY HALL ANYMORE.
17:20:11 WE ASKED THE HEALTH FOLKS, WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS WOULD
17:20:15 BE APPROPRIATE WHEN WE COULD RETURN TO A SMALL ENCLOSED
17:20:20 SPACE LIKE OLD CITY HALL.
17:20:25 AND I BELIEVE THE PUBLIC HEALTH FOLKS WHO WERE IN FRONT
17:20:28 OF US THAT DAY SAID, WELL, WE NEED TO GET THE NUMBERS
17:20:33 DOWN TO -- WHAT WAS IT, MARTY, 100 -- 100 NEW CASES A
17:20:37 DAY AND 5%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
17:20:39 >> 100, 250 IF I RECALL.
17:20:44 BUT THE SEVEN-DAY AVERAGE.
17:20:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE CASES
17:20:52 DOCTOR A FEW DAYS AGO THEY WERE HOVERING IN THE 900,
17:20:57 1,000.
17:21:00 I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- STATEWIDE, I REMEMBER SAYING 8 TO
17:21:01 9%.
17:21:03 AGAIN, ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH.
17:21:07 AND THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT COUNCIL'S SAFETY, BUT ABOUT
17:21:10 EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
17:21:15 YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, I THINK IT IS WRONG FOR US TO -- TO
17:21:22 RECONVENE IN AN EXTREMELY TIGHT QUARTERS LIKE THE OLD
17:21:26 CITY HALL CHAMBERS WHILE THESE NUMBERS ARE STILL SO
17:21:30 EXTREMELY HIGH.
17:21:33 I DON'T LIKE MEETING VIRTUALLY, BUT MAYBE IT IS SAFER
17:21:38 IF WE JUST MET VIRTUALLY LIKE WE DID DURING THE MONTHS
17:21:43 OF, YOU KNOW -- WHAT WAS IT LIKE APRIL, MAY.
17:21:47 APRIL, MAY, JUNE UNTIL WE CAME OVER HERE.
17:21:52 I HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEHIND THE SCENES TO THE STAFF
17:21:55 AND DIDN'T SEEM TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF TRACTION.
17:21:58 OBVIOUSLY, I AM NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO YOU, MR.
17:22:01 CHAIRMAN, INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS OR ANYONE ELSE ON
17:22:05 COUNCIL, BUT I -- I DON'T MEAN TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME
17:22:08 TONIGHT, BUT WHEN I HEAR MR. SHELBY AND MR. CHAIRMAN
17:22:11 SAYING, WELL, THIS IS IT.
17:22:14 WE ARE DONE WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THIS HAS
17:22:16 BEEN A GREAT PLACE BECAUSE THE CEILINGS ARE 30
17:22:19 SOMETHING FEET TALL AND THE ROOM IS HUGE AND EVERYBODY
17:22:22 FEELS PRETTY COMFORTABLE.
17:22:25 BUT NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- WE ALL KNOW HOW SMALL
17:22:28 THAT ROOM IS.
17:22:33 AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED TO TELL COUNCILMAN GUDES
17:22:36 WHAT THAT DISEASE IS LIKE BECAUSE HE SUFFERED THROUGH
17:22:36 IT.
17:22:39 SO, ANYWAY, I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS.
17:22:43 I DON'T THINK IT IS A GREAT DIRECTION THAT WE ARE
17:22:43 HEADED IN.
17:22:48 AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE RECONSIDER AND JUST, YOU
17:22:54 KNOW -- I REALIZE THAT GOING VIRTUAL -- WELL, I GUESS
17:22:59 THE GOVERNOR HAS PUT THE KIBOSH ON THE TOTALLY VIRTUAL,
17:23:02 BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THE
17:23:04 OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OTHER VENUES.
17:23:10 SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT TPD HAS A VERY, VERY LARGE ROOM.
17:23:14 MAYBE COUNCILMAN GUDES IS AWARE OF THAT.
17:23:16 UP ON THE TOP.
17:23:18 THAT THEY HAVE A BIG CONFERENCE ROOM UP THERE.
17:23:22 I KNOW THE REC CENTERS HAVE LARGE ROOMS.
17:23:26 I JUST -- I JUST THINK IT IS THE WRONG DIRECTION AND
17:23:29 FRANKLY THAT I THINK COUNCIL HAS BEEN SORT OF SHOVED IN
17:23:32 THAT DIRECTION WITHOUT US DISCUSSING IT AT ALL.
17:23:36 AND LIKE I SAY, AS I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM, YOU KNOW,
17:23:40 THERE ARE SIX, SEVEN TECHNICAL PEOPLE OVER THERE AND
17:23:44 SIX OF US AND THERE ARE CONSTITUENTS AND ATTORNEYS OUT
17:23:44 THERE.
17:23:47 AND THEN WE HAVE GOT CLERK STAFF.
17:23:49 WE HAVE GOT FIVE PLANNERS OVER THERE.
17:23:53 THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.
17:23:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, AND CERTAINLY
17:23:59 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP COUNCIL'S TIME AND I WANT
17:24:03 COUNCIL -- THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
17:24:07 AGAIN, THIS IS -- YOU ARE RESTRAINED BY THE SUNSHINE
17:24:11 LAW TO DISCUSS THIS PUBLICLY AND MAYBE GET TO THE
17:24:12 HEARINGS.
17:24:15 BUT WANT TO LET YOU KNOW COUNCIL, TOMORROW THE CHAIRMAN
17:24:18 WILL BE TAKING A TOUR OF THE FACILITIES OVER AT CITY
17:24:20 HALL WITH THE REST OF STAFF.
17:24:24 I JUST WANT TO ASSURE CITY COUNCIL FROM MY PERSPECTIVE
17:24:31 AS CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY FROM THE MOMENT WHEN CHAIRMAN
17:24:35 VIERA CANCELLED THE MEETING IN MARCH FOR PUBLIC HEALTH
17:24:38 REASONS, AND HE SO STATED IN HIS MEMO, PUBLIC HEALTH
17:24:42 AND THE SAFETY OF THIS COUNCIL, THE SAFETY OF THE STAFF
17:24:46 AND THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN A PRIMARY
17:24:46 CONCERN.
17:24:49 AND THAT HAS BEEN MY CHARGE AS I HAVE WORKED THROUGH
17:24:52 THIS PROCESS OF TRYING TO -- TO ARRANGE THESE MEETINGS
17:24:56 AND FRANKLY, I HAVE MADE COUNCIL'S POSITION, AT LEAST
17:24:58 THE CONSENSUS OF IT VERY CLEAR TO THE ADMINISTRATION
17:25:03 AND THEY WORKED VERY HARD TO ACCOMMODATE AND SAL
17:25:08 ROGGERIO COMING AND UPDATING BY MEMO.
17:25:09 MY POINT IS THIS.
17:25:11 THIS IS NOT -- FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE RIGHT.
17:25:15 THE GOVERNOR DID LET THE EXECUTIVE ORDER EXPIRE.
17:25:19 SO COUNCIL CANNOT HAVE A QUORUM UNLESS PHYSICALLY.
17:25:23 WHAT THIS IS BEING STRUCTURED AND I SAID THAT -- IT IS
17:25:25 NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME WAY, AND I THANK YOU FOR
17:25:28 ALLOWING ME TO EXPAND UPON THIS BECAUSE IMPORTANT FOR
17:25:29 THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.
17:25:32 WE ARE NOT GOING BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL WHEN WE GO
17:25:34 BACK TO CITY HALL.
17:25:37 A PHYSICAL QUORUM IS NECESSARY TO BE PRESENT.
17:25:40 A PHYSICAL QUORUM ON THE THIRD FLOOR WILL BE PRESENT.
17:25:46 IF THERE ARE COUNCILMEMBERS, TWO OF YOU, I PREFER TO
17:25:47 HAVE FIVE THERE.
17:25:50 IF IT HAS TO BE FOUR, PEOPLE CAN'T GET UP WITHOUT
17:25:53 STOPPING THE MEETING.
17:25:56 BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM, THE REST -- THE REST
17:25:59 OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND OR CAN'T
17:26:02 ATTEND OR WON'T ATTEND CAN APPEAR REMOTELY.
17:26:09 AS TO THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HAVE GOTTEN USED TO COMING
17:26:10 TO THE THIRD FLOOR.
17:26:15 THE THIRD FLOOR -- THE CHAMBERS HAVE BEEN RECONFIGURED
17:26:18 AND I WILL BE ON THE TOUR TOMORROW AND LISA EDWARDS,
17:26:21 HIS AIDE AND MEMBERS OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE
17:26:26 CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
17:26:30 THERE WILL BE SOCIAL DISTANCING FOR COUNCILMEMBERS AT
17:26:33 THE CHAIR'S DIRECTION TO BE ABLE TO TAKE OUT SOME OF
17:26:39 THE ROWS IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO MAKE IT SO WE DO
17:26:40 HAVE SOCIAL DISTANCING.
17:26:42 STAFF WILL BE MINIMIZED IN THAT ROOM.
17:26:44 WE HAVE THE TECHS.
17:26:48 THE TECHS DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE ROOM OR ON-SITE.
17:26:51 THE CAMERAS AS YOU KNOW ARE REMOTE CONTROL.
17:26:55 THE CITY STAFF CAN APPEAR REMOTELY.
17:26:57 THEY WILL BE ENCOURAGED NOT TO BE IN THE ROOM.
17:26:59 AS A MATTER OF FACT, I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION IS
17:27:02 WORKING HARD TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS THAT THAT IS ALL
17:27:04 BEING ACCOMPLISHED SEAMLESSLY.
17:27:08 ALSO, FINALLY, I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW AND THE PUBLIC
17:27:13 KNOW IS THAT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO
17:27:18 PARTICIPATE AND SPEAK DIRECTLY FACE TO FACE WITH
17:27:20 COUNCIL DURING THE STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR PUBLIC HEALTH
17:27:20 REASONS.
17:27:22 THEREFORE, THEY EITHER HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER
17:27:26 REGISTERING AND APPEARING REMOTELY JUST LIKE WE ARE
17:27:30 DOING TONIGHT OR THEY CAN GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD
17:27:31 CITY HALL.
17:27:34 WE WILL HAVE WHAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE
17:27:36 IS THE KIOSK.
17:27:40 THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PERSON BECAUSE
17:27:43 THEY WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ON THE
17:27:44 SECOND FLOOR.
17:27:51 SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A REPORT OF THAT
17:27:52 MEETING.
17:27:53 I CAN DO IT IN WRITING.
17:27:55 I CAN SEND OUT A MEMO.
17:27:58 AND IF COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, I AM
17:28:00 HAPPY TO -- TO SEE THAT THEY ARE ADDRESSED.
17:28:02 CERTAINLY YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF TALKING WITH THE
17:28:03 ADMINISTRATION.
17:28:08 BUT JUST KNOW COUNCILMAN -- CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO HAS
17:28:14 CARRIED ON THE DIRECTION FROM CHAIRMAN VIERA.
17:28:17 CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO HAS ALSO MADE PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE
17:28:20 SAFETY OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF AND
17:28:22 PUBLIC THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND THAT IS MY CHARGE
17:28:25 AND I AM DOING THE BEST TO MAKE SURE COUNCIL HAS A
17:28:29 LEVEL OF COMFORT AND CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC DOES TOO.
17:28:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. DINGFELDER.
17:28:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER QUICK COMMENT.
17:28:35 MR. SHELBY, THAT IS ALL FINE AND GOOD.
17:28:38 I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK ANY OF US INCLUDING
17:28:42 YOURSELF IS THRILLED OF GOING BACK TO OLD CITY HALL.
17:28:44 THE CEILINGS AT THE MOST ARE 12 FEET TALL, AND I DON'T
17:28:48 KNOW WHAT THE SECOND FLOOR LOOKS LIKE, BUT I AM SURE IT
17:28:49 DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
17:28:54 LET ME POINT OUT WHY WE ARE BEING GRACEFULLY EVICTED
17:28:55 FROM THIS ROOM.
17:28:59 MY UNDERSTANDING WE ARE BEING GRACEFULLY EVICTED TO
17:29:02 THIS ROOM BECAUSE THE CITY HAD A COMMITMENT TO SUPER
17:29:02 BOWL.
17:29:04 I APPRECIATE THAT.
17:29:06 UNDERSTAND THAT AND ACCEPT IT.
17:29:08 THE SUPER BOWL COMES AND GOES, AND THREE WEEKS LATER
17:29:09 IT'S GONE.
17:29:09 IT'S GONE.
17:29:15 AND I INQUIRED OF MISS GARVEY ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO ON
17:29:19 THIS ISSUE AS TO -- IS THERE ANYTHING TAKEN UP --
17:29:22 NECESSARILY TAKING UP THIS ROOM THAT WE COULDN'T COME
17:29:24 BACK.
17:29:25 OKAY.
17:29:30 AND SHE INDICATED THERE IS POSSIBLE TENTATIVE EVENT,
17:29:34 BUT SHE WOULD GET BACK TO ME, AND I NEVER HEARD.
17:29:35 FRANKLY SHE IS WONDERFUL.
17:29:36 I LOVE HER.
17:29:38 SHE HAS A LOT ON HER PLATE WITH SUPER BOWL.
17:29:45 I THINK OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS CEST LA VIE,
17:29:48 WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN, I DON'T THINK IT IS THE
17:29:50 ULTIMATE CONCLUSION THAT WE ARE NOT COMING BACK.
17:29:53 WE ARE THE CITY COUNCIL OF THIS CITY.
17:29:56 THIS IS A MEANINGFUL BODY LIKE ALL THE BODY THAT'S
17:29:57 MEET.
17:30:01 FRANKLY I THINK ALL THE BOARDS SHOULD BE HERE VRB AND
17:30:05 ALL THE OTHER BOARDS AND THAT IS NOT UNDER MY CONTROL,
17:30:08 PER SE OR UNDER YOUR CONTROL.
17:30:12 BUT WHAT WE SHOULD AND DO CONTROL, WE SHOULD CONTROL
17:30:15 OUR OWN DESTINY IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE MEETING.
17:30:17 IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK INTO THIS GREAT
17:30:21 SPACE THAT PEOPLE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN LIGHT OF THE
17:30:24 CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN LIGHT OF THESE TREMENDOUSLY HIGH
17:30:26 NUMBERS -- MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:30:29 YOU KNOW I AM NOT PICKING ON YOU WITH THIS.
17:30:31 YOU ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
17:30:33 BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE BRING IT UP, WE
17:30:37 TALK ABOUT IT, AND WE SERIOUSLY EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITY
17:30:41 WHEN SUPER BOWL IS GONE TO RETURN BACK HERE.
17:30:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
17:30:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS A PERSON WHO HAS HAD THAT DISEASE,
17:30:52 YOU KNOW, AND STILL KIND OF GUN-SHY BUT I KNOW LIFE HAS
17:30:54 TO CONTINUE AND GO ON.
17:30:58 I DO CONCUR WITH A FEW POINTS THAT MR. DINGFELDER HAS
17:30:58 MADE.
17:31:00 STAFF HAS BEEN WONDERFUL HERE.
17:31:01 ACCOMMODATING US.
17:31:03 TRYING TO FIND A PLACE FOR US.
17:31:06 AND I KNOW IT IS VERY DIFFICULT DURING THESE CHALLENGES
17:31:11 -- CHALLENGING TIMES, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS WHAT HE
17:31:11 HAS MENTIONED.
17:31:14 WE ARE THE CITY COUNCIL.
17:31:17 IT SHOULD BE OUR PRIVILEGE WITH THE OPTION WHERE WE
17:31:20 WANT TO BE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
17:31:23 NOT THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO BE
17:31:24 AND WHERE WE GO.
17:31:26 MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT.
17:31:28 SUPER BOWL IS HERE FOR A WEEK.
17:31:30 A WEEK.
17:31:33 WE ARE HERE EVERY THURSDAY OR WHEN WE NEED TO BE.
17:31:35 SO I THINK THOSE THINGS NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE
17:31:36 FUTURE.
17:31:41 BUT, AGAIN, WE THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
17:31:45 RECONFIGURATIONS AND MAKE IT SAFE WHERE WE NEED TO BE
17:31:47 AND I ACCEPT THAT AND ACCEPT THE WORK THEY ARE DOING
17:31:51 BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT MY
17:31:52 COLLEAGUE IS SAYING.
17:31:55 WE ARE THE COUNCIL AND NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE WANT TO GO
17:31:57 AND DO THINGS BECAUSE WE ARE THE BODY OF THE CITY THAT
17:31:59 DOES THE LEGISLATION FOR THE CITY.
17:32:02 SO I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH HIM ON THAT.
17:32:06 BUT AGAIN, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH
17:32:09 THE ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE CONFIGURATION AT THE OFFICE
17:32:10 CITY HALL.
17:32:13 I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THAT BUT DO LET MY COLLEAGUE
17:32:15 KNOW I UNDERSTAND HIS POINT.
17:32:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
17:32:19 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:32:24 I AGREE WHAT WAS SAID AND I WAGER $500 THAT CHAIRMAN
17:32:25 MANISCALCO AGREES AS WELL.
17:32:29 OUR PROBLEM AND IT IS FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU ARE NOT WITH
17:32:31 THE ONE YOU LOVE, YOU LOVE THE ONE YOU ARE WITH.
17:32:35 WHEN WE ARE OUT OF HERE IN A BIGGER SPACE WE ARE NOT IN
17:32:36 THE ONE WE LOVE.
17:32:39 I DON'T THINK WE ARE TOO CRAZY WITH THE ONE WE ARE WITH
17:32:41 WHICH IS COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
17:32:45 I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER I DON'T SEE AS TO
17:32:50 WHY AFTER SUPER BOWL LEAVES WE CAN'T POTENTIALLY COME
17:32:53 BACK HERE TO ANOTHER LARGER, SIMILAR SPACE.
17:32:56 EVERY TIME I GO TO CITY HALL, THEY ARE WORKING IN THAT
17:32:59 ROOM AND I APPRECIATE THAT 110%.
17:33:02 TWO THINGS, WITH THE NUMBERS BEING WHAT THEY ARE, WE
17:33:03 OUGHT TO BE CONCERNED.
17:33:06 NUMBER TWO IS, WE ARE -- I THINK, WE ARE RELATIVELY
17:33:10 CLOSE TO EVERYBODY, GOD WILLING BEING VACCINATED.
17:33:13 WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION LOOKING AT 100 MILLION
17:33:17 VACCINATIONS -- WHAT IS IT 100 DAYS OR SOMETHING?
17:33:18 THAT IS THE GOAL.
17:33:20 LET'S SEE IF IT HAPPENS.
17:33:24 THERE ARE LOFTY GOALS FOR VACCINATIONS AND WHAT NOT.
17:33:29 SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT GOD WILLING WILL LAST
17:33:30 FOREVER.
17:33:33 AND I HATE TO SEE SOMETHING BAD HAPPEN OR EVEN THE RISK
17:33:34 OF SOMETHING HAPPENING.
17:33:39 BUT I WOULD SAY THAT -- I DON'T SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT I AM
17:33:42 HOUR CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO AGREES WITH EVERYTHING WE SAID
17:33:46 AND SHARES OUR FRUSTRATION AND WHAT NOT IN THAT REGARD.
17:33:50 SOMETIMES YOUR HANDS ARE TIED BUT WE CERTAINLY SHOULD
17:33:53 LET OUR OPINIONS BE KNOWN BECAUSE OUR OPINIONS ARE
17:33:56 REASONABLE JUST LIKE A YEAR AGO, SIX MONTHS AGO.
17:33:58 NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
17:34:01 IN FACT, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN WORSE IN MANY WAYS.
17:34:05 THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE, I THINK.
17:34:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN
17:34:10 AVOIDED IF THE GOVERNOR WOULD HAVE EXTENDED THE
17:34:11 EMERGENCY ORDER.
17:34:14 THAT'S IT, A SIGNATURE ON A PIECE OF PAPER AND THIS
17:34:16 WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED.
17:34:19 HOWEVER HERE WE ARE -- WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WITH ALL
17:34:21 OF THIS IS WHY THE PHYSICAL QUORUM.
17:34:24 IN A VIRTUAL WORLD, WHY CAN'T THINGS BE HANDLED
17:34:26 VIRTUALLY.
17:34:29 WHAT LAW SAYS AND WHY DOES THE LAW SAY YOU HAVE TO DO
17:34:32 THIS AND HAVE TO -- IF YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE TAKE
17:34:33 TESTIMONY.
17:34:34 WE SWEAR THE PERSON IN.
17:34:38 WE SEE THEM ON CAMERA AND HEAR THEIR VOICE AND THAT IS
17:34:39 GOOD ENOUGH.
17:34:41 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PHYSICAL QUORUM THING.
17:34:42 BUT HERE WE ARE.
17:34:45 WE WILL GO BACK TO CHAMBERS NEXT THURSDAY.
17:34:46 WE WILL SEE HOW IT IS.
17:34:48 I -- I FEEL COMFORTABLE.
17:34:51 IF I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE I WOULD HAVE PUSHED FOR
17:34:52 SOMETHING ELSE.
17:34:55 BUT I DO A WALK THROUGH TOMORROW OF OLD CITY HALL ON
17:34:56 THE THIRD FLOOR.
17:34:59 A LOT OF WORK HAS BEEN PUT INTO IT.
17:35:02 BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, SUPER BOWL IS A TEMPORARY THING.
17:35:03 AND WE COME BACK TO THIS.
17:35:06 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVENTS ARE COMING UP.
17:35:09 THE ONLY SIGNS I SAW WAS THE HOT TUB EXPO.
17:35:11 YOU NOTICE THE SIGNS ARE OUTSIDE.
17:35:13 I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS COMING UP IN FEBRUARY,
17:35:16 BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A SINGLE CHRISTMAS PARTY THIS YEAR
17:35:19 AND NO EVENTS ON THE CALENDAR BUT MAYBE ONE TO SPEAK TO
17:35:20 A GROUP OF FOLKS.
17:35:23 I DON'T KNOW WHO IS BOOKING WHAT, CONSIDERING HOW HIGH
17:35:24 THE NUMBERS ARE.
17:35:27 WE WILL PLAY IT BY EAR NEXT THURSDAY.
17:35:29 WE WILL GO TO CHAMBERS.
17:35:34 I WANT AND ENCOURAGE ALL COUNCILMEMBERS HOW IT IS.
17:35:38 IT IS NOT THE SAME CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER THAT WE LEFT.
17:35:41 A LOT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT AND A LOT OF EFFORT HAS BEEN
17:35:41 MADE.
17:35:43 I WANT EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK.
17:35:45 I KNOW WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER THAT'S WHY WE ARE
17:35:48 HAVING THIS DISCUSSION NOW AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
17:35:51 BECAUSE SUPER BOWL IS WHAT, FEBRUARY 6?
17:35:52 7TH?
17:35:54 6TH?
17:35:58 SO -- WHEN THE BUCS WIN AND -- THEN WHAT DO WE DO WHEN
17:36:02 WE HAVE THE LOMBARDI TROPHY AGAIN.
17:36:04 WE CAN'T HAVE THEM IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
17:36:06 HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET THERE.
17:36:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:36:10 WE GO TO THE AGENDA.
17:36:12 WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING
17:36:12 OFF.
17:36:15 ITEM NUMBER 1 CANNOT BE HEARD.
17:36:18 ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANY OF OUR LEGAL FOLKS?
17:36:19 ANYBODY?
17:36:22 OR JUST A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA?
17:36:25 CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO REMOVE ITEM ONE.
17:36:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVED.
17:36:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
17:36:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, EYE.
17:36:31 ANY OPPOSED.
17:36:37 ITEM TWO, REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE UNTIL NEXT THURSDAY.
17:36:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NEXT THURSDAY?
17:36:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE 28TH.
17:36:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, NEXT THURSDAY COUNCIL IS A
17:36:49 NIGHT MEETING OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WORKSHOP
17:36:50 DURING THE DAY.
17:36:53 I GUESS THEY ARE MAKING REFERENCE TO THURSDAY EVENING.
17:36:57 ON THE 28TH, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE FIVE ALCOHOLIC
17:37:01 BEVERAGE REZONINGS, FOUR APPEAL CASES BECAUSE THOSE
17:37:05 WERE SCHEDULED WHEN WE WERE STILL SCHEDULING THEM AT
17:37:05 NIGHT.
17:37:09 AND 5:01 P.M. TWO COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ADOPTION
17:37:11 HEARINGS AT 5:00.
17:37:14 IF IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, YOU WOULD ADD THIS TO THE
17:37:15 5:00.
17:37:17 5:01.
17:37:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.
17:37:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
17:37:24 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
17:37:25 ALL IN FAVOR.
17:37:27 ANY OPPOSED?
17:37:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BY THE WAY -- I AM SORRY, I DON'T
17:37:33 KNOW WHETHER THAT ONE WAS OPEN TO CONTINUE.
17:37:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO --
17:37:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO OPEN.
17:37:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION.
17:37:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
17:37:54 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
17:37:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 5 P.M., JANUARY 28.
17:38:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKES CARE OF THAT AND LEAVES US
17:38:04 TO EIGHT ITEMS TONIGHT.
17:38:09 AND MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ, DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCIL
17:38:10 NOW?
17:38:12 THERE YOU ARE.
17:38:15 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, SUSAN
17:38:18 JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:38:22 I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ADDRESSING COUNCILMEMBERS
17:38:23 NOW.
17:38:25 I PREPARED A MEMO DATED TODAY.
17:38:28 IT WAS SENT REGARDING THE SCHEDULING OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
17:38:32 FOR A SECOND ROUND OF NOTICES OF INTENT TO SUSPEND
17:38:34 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE PERMITS FOR SEVERAL LOCATIONS
17:38:36 THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
17:38:41 AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TAKING PRETTY STRONG APPROACH
17:38:47 TO TRYING TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASK -- MASK
17:38:50 ORDERS THAT ARE IN PLACE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
17:38:54 AND SO AS YOU MAY RECALL, LAST WEEK YOU ALL SET A FIRST
17:38:58 ROUND OF HEARINGS FOR THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 18 DURING YOUR
17:39:01 REGULAR MEETING AT 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON WITH NO STAFF
17:39:04 REPORTS TO BE HEARD THAT DAY.
17:39:07 WE ARE TRYING TO EXPEDITE THE SCHEDULING OF THESE
17:39:07 HEARINGS.
17:39:11 THE CODE REQUIRES THEY TAKE PLACE NO LESS THAN 30 DAYS
17:39:14 FROM WHEN THE CITY CLERK SENDS NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC
17:39:15 HEARINGS.
17:39:18 WE HAVE PROPOSED A DATE IN OUR MEMO OF FEBRUARY 22 AT 9
17:39:18 A.M.
17:39:21 THIS WILL BE A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
17:39:25 THIS PROPOSAL IS MADE IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR CITY
17:39:28 COUNCIL ATTORNEY, AS WELL AS WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
17:39:31 SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER SCHEDULING THAT FOR A
17:39:34 SPECIAL CALL MEETING FOR FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR
17:39:40 NOTICES OF INTENT TO SUSPEND ALCOHOL BEVERAGE PERMITS.
17:39:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:39:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
17:39:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE CITY IS DOING THEIR BEST TO
17:39:50 UNDERSTAND WE ARE IN A CRISIS MODE AND GOOD STEWARDS TO
17:39:53 THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE TO BE GOOD
17:39:54 STEWARDS TO THE CITY.
17:39:59 IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THIS ENFORCEMENT, I WANT TO
17:40:03 MAKE SURE THAT THIS BODY NOW MAKES A DECISION -- IT CAN
17:40:08 BE MR. SHELBY -- IN REFERENCE TOO IF WE WILL HAVE THESE
17:40:09 SPECIAL HEARINGS.
17:40:13 THERE SHOULD BE A DATE FOR THAT NOT ADDED ON TO OUR
17:40:18 REGULAR CALENDAR BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE TIME FRAME.
17:40:21 I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT KEEPING THE COMMUNITY --
17:40:24 CONSTITUENTS LATE AT NIGHT, COUNCIL LATE AT NIGHT.
17:40:28 I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ADDING THESE TYPE OF HEARINGS ON
17:40:32 TO AN AGENDA BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU ARE GOING TO GET A
17:40:36 LOT OF PEOPLE OR A LOT OF TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE, AND
17:40:39 THAT COULD TAKE A LITTLE WHILE.
17:40:43 SO I -- I LIKE THE FACT WE ARE DOING IT SPECIAL CALL,
17:40:45 BUT I THINK FOR FUTURE, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON
17:40:48 THAT FOR THE FUTURE IF WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING THESE
17:40:49 HEARINGS.
17:40:51 THOSE HAVE TO BE SPECIAL CALLED, I BELIEVE.
17:40:55 BECAUSE I JUST THINK ADDING THOSE ON IS JUST TOO LONG
17:40:58 AND I WOULDN'T WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WAITING FOR
17:41:00 THESE HEARINGS, REZONINGS AND OTHER THINGS TO BE
17:41:04 WAITING ALL NIGHT LONG BECAUSE OF -- OF PEOPLE NOT IN
17:41:05 COMPLIANCE.
17:41:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I APPRECIATE THAT, COUNCIL.
17:41:12 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I EXPRESSED THAT TO THE
17:41:16 ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS THE GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THE
17:41:17 COUNCIL.
17:41:21 LOOKING AT YOUR SCHEDULE, I AM CERTAINLY VERY SENSITIVE
17:41:24 TO THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE -- THIS IS A MONDAY
17:41:25 MORNING AT 9 A.M.
17:41:28 MONDAY MORNING AT 9 A.M., FEBRUARY 22, IS THE
17:41:30 RECOMMENDED TIME.
17:41:35 AND CERTAINLY THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY, COUNCIL, AND YOU
17:41:38 APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES EXPRESSING THAT AND
17:41:44 COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AND THE COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD TO
17:41:49 WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO ACCOMMODATE THE
17:41:50 CHANGES.
17:41:53 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR.
17:41:58 ON FEBRUARY 22, I HAVE A HECK A CONFLICT BECAUSE I AM
17:42:01 GETTING MARRIED TWO DAYS BEFORE THAT.
17:42:03 I KNOW, I KNOW.
17:42:07 SO YOU KNOW, I WILL BE COMING BACK TO TOWN THAT
17:42:08 MORNING.
17:42:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL EXCUSE YOU FOR THAT ONE.
17:42:13 >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW, I KNOW.
17:42:15 BECAUSE IF I AM OUT YOU HAVE SIX PEOPLE.
17:42:18 AND -- I LEAVE THAT UP TO COUNCIL.
17:42:22 BUT I WILL HAVE A HELL OF A HARD TIME GETTING HERE THAT
17:42:23 DAY.
17:42:25 SO JUST FYI.
17:42:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CONGRATULATIONS.
17:42:31 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
17:42:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
17:42:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WOW.
17:42:37 WAS IT A SURPRISE TO YOU?
17:42:37 [LAUGHTER]
17:42:40 MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THAT YOU AND MR. SHELBY HAVE BEEN
17:42:46 WORKING TO FIND A TIME ON THIS, EXCEPT FOR MR. VIERA'S
17:42:51 ABSENCE, I AM -- I AM OKAY WITH THE 22ND.
17:42:55 I -- I DO HAVE A -- A MOTION I WANT TO MAKE RELATED TO
17:42:58 THIS ISSUE AFTER WE MAKE THAT MOTION.
17:43:02 SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION RIGHT NOW, MISS
17:43:05 JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:43:07 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: YES, PLEASE.
17:43:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE CASES?
17:43:12 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THEY ARE LISTED IN THE MEMO AS
17:43:18 PURPLE HEART LOUNGE, THE SEVEN LOUNGE, RITZ YBOR AND
17:43:21 PRANA NIGHT CLUB.
17:43:22 ALL LOCATIONS ARE IN YBOR.
17:43:25 THE FIRST ROUND WAS THREE ESTABLISHMENTS, AND I CAN
17:43:28 TELL THAT YOU WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SERVING THREE
17:43:33 MORE ESTABLISHMENTS WITH -- SO -- YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE
17:43:36 GET -- SEEING SOME POSITIVE EFFECTS OF THESE EFFORTS, I
17:43:39 BELIEVE WE WILL CONTINUE TO COME TO YOU TO REQUEST
17:43:42 SETTING THESE SPECIAL HEARINGS.
17:43:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THESE FOUR
17:43:50 HEARINGS JUST IDENTIFIED BY ATTORNEY JOHNSON-VELEZ, I
17:43:54 MOVE THEY BE SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING, APPROPRIATE ACTION
17:43:58 ON MONDAY FEBRUARY 22 AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING.
17:43:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
17:44:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
17:44:06 AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
17:44:08 ALL IN FAVOR.
17:44:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND IN HAND, WE LEARNED FROM THE
17:44:16 ONE SINGLE CASE WE HAVE SO FAR HOW TIME INTENSIVE AND
17:44:19 HOW EVIDENCE INTENSIVE THIS CAN BE AND THAT IS WITHOUT
17:44:21 THE DELIBERATION.
17:44:26 SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND MY MOTION IS TO DIRECT
17:44:32 LEGAL TO COME BACK TO US IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS WITH AN
17:44:37 ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WILL ESTABLISH A HEARING -- A
17:44:39 HEARING MASTER PROCESS.
17:44:44 AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS MAYBE JUST LOOK AT ONE OF
17:44:48 OUR OTHER HEARING MASTERS, PREFERABLY A PAID HEARING
17:44:51 MASTER BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS VERY TIME CONSUMING TO
17:44:55 BE THE TAKER OF THE EVIDENCE AND THEN MAYBE MAKE A
17:44:57 RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
17:45:02 I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE SMARTER THAN I AM ON THIS.
17:45:05 I JUST DON'T BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE -- THIS IS SIMILAR TO
17:45:07 ME LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
17:45:10 THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS AND CODE
17:45:12 ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
17:45:20 MR. CITRO USED TO BE ONE -- UNPAID, PROBABLY RIGHT,
17:45:21 JOE?
17:45:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS TAMPA.
17:45:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A BETTER PROCESS AND BETTER
17:45:25 APPROACH.
17:45:28 MR. SHELBY, YOUR HAND IS UP.
17:45:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, RESPECTFULLY, PERHAPS
17:45:35 -- IF IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO HAVE IT SET FOR A
17:45:38 STAFF REPORT WITH PERHAPS RECOMMENDATIONS AND OPTIONS
17:45:42 TO BE ABLE -- AND YOU WILL ALSO IN THE TIME BEING HAVE
17:45:44 A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND EXPRESS
17:45:48 YOUR CONCERNS UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION
17:45:51 THAT DAY AND FORM A CONSENSUS AND GIVE SOME DIRECTION
17:45:54 -- RATHER THAN COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS WITH AN
17:45:54 ORDINANCE.
17:45:58 I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BUT A
17:46:01 DIFFICULT THING TO DO AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITHOUT
17:46:03 SPECIFIC DIRECTION.
17:46:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK IT IS KIND OF TIME
17:46:09 SENSITIVE BECAUSE LEGAL STAFF INDICATED THESE ARE
17:46:11 COMING AND MORE COMING.
17:46:16 IF WE DON'T MOVE NOW AND MOVE QUICKLY IT WILL BE MUTE
17:46:21 AND WE WILL BE HERE DOING FOUR-HOUR CASES FOR TEN
17:46:24 DIFFERENT CASES AND MAY NOT BE ADEQUATE DUE PROCESS FOR
17:46:26 THOSE PEOPLE AND EVERYONE INVOLVED.
17:46:31 I AM ALL EARS, SUSAN, WHATEVER YOU SUGGEST.
17:46:32 MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
17:46:34 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. DINGFELDER.
17:46:35 A COUPLE OF THINGS.
17:46:39 I KNOW YOU HAVE AVERY RECENT MEMORY OF A HEARING WE DID
17:46:42 HAVE UNDER THIS SECTION OF THE CODE IN DECEMBER.
17:46:44 THAT ONE DID TAKE A LONG TIME.
17:46:47 BUT YOU MAY RECALL A NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS THAT SPANNED
17:46:50 AN ENTIRE MONTH OR LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A MONTH.
17:46:52 THAT HEARING DID TAKE A VERY LONG TIME.
17:46:57 WHILE IT IS DIFFICULT TO ANTICIPATE OR SPECULATE HOW
17:47:00 MANY OTHER SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS MAY SHOW UP TO
17:47:03 ANY ONE OF THESE HEARINGS, NOT MY EXPECTATION THAT ANY
17:47:06 OF THESE HEARINGS UNDER THE CURRENT ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS
17:47:09 WILL TAKE NEARLY THAT LONG.
17:47:12 MAYBE 30 TO 45 MINUTES ON YOUTH SIDE FOR EACH OF THESE
17:47:12 HEARINGS.
17:47:16 THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
17:47:20 NUMBER TWO, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY
17:47:25 OF EXTENDING THE CODE SECTION FOR HEARING OFFICER
17:47:25 PROCESS.
17:47:29 A REGULAR CYCLE OF CODE AMENDMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW
17:47:36 AND A REQUIREMENT THAT WE TAKE ANY AMENDMENT TO THE
17:47:38 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BLAH PLANNING COMMISSION
17:47:39 STAFF.
17:47:42 AND WORK WITH STAFF AND GUIDANCE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO
17:47:45 BRING THAT FORWARD IN THE VERY SHORT TIME FRAME THAT
17:47:53 YOU LAID OUT, MR. CHAIR, MR. DINGFELDER HAS A POINT BUT
17:47:57 WE DON'T WANT TO BE LABOR INTENSIVE ON THE ATTORNEY'S
17:47:58 OFFICE.
17:48:00 I KNOW THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK FOR US ALREADY.
17:48:04 BUT WHAT -- WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GO AHEAD AND
17:48:12 MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT CASES ON THE 22ND AND
17:48:15 THEY CAN WORK ON THE ORDINANCE DURING THAT TIME AND
17:48:17 COME BACK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
17:48:22 IN MY OPINION -- I AM ONLY ONE -- THAT WILL BE A FAIR
17:48:25 APPROACH TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS
17:48:27 AND LEGAL TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY RESEARCH AND DO
17:48:30 WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THE FUTURE.
17:48:35 THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:48:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, MOTION OR
17:48:39 NO MOTION?
17:48:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN IS OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.
17:48:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING FEBRUARY 4,
17:48:45 TWO WEEKS.
17:48:48 AND FEBRUARY 18 IS THE THREE ALCOHOL SUSPENSION HEARING
17:48:51 AND I RECOMMEND IT NOT COMING BACK ON THAT DAY.
17:48:54 YOUR NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT WILL BE --
17:48:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY MOTION WOULD BE FOR LEGAL STAFF
17:49:02 TO COME BACK ON THE 4TH WITH OPINIONS -- LEGAL -- THE
17:49:05 DEPARTMENT'S OPINION PERHAPS AFTER CONFERRING WITH MR.
17:49:09 SHELBY AND PERHAPS SOME OF US ON WHAT THE DIRECTION IS
17:49:10 FOR THE FUTURE.
17:49:14 BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT COVID IS GOING -- SADLY, I
17:49:17 BELIEVE THAT COVID WILL BE WITH US IN THIS COMMUNITY
17:49:20 WITH REGARDS TO REGULATION AND RESTRICTIONS FOR
17:49:23 PROBABLY AT LEAST ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, AT LEAST.
17:49:25 AND SADLY ENOUGH.
17:49:31 AND IN LIGHT OF THAT, THESE HEARINGS VERY WELL MIGHT
17:49:32 CONTINUE.
17:49:34 BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO
17:49:35 BEHAVE.
17:49:37 SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE HEARINGS.
17:49:39 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE
17:49:42 APPROPRIATE BODY FOR THESE HEARINGS.
17:49:47 JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW -- LIKE I SAID CODE ENFORCEMENT AND
17:49:50 WHATEVER OTHER HEARING MASTERS WE HAVE OUT THERE I
17:49:55 BELIEVE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO HAVE EVIDENTIARY
17:49:56 HEARINGS LIKE THAT.
17:49:58 SO THAT IS MY MOTION.
17:50:02 JUST COME BACK TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, GIVE US YOUR BEST
17:50:07 OPINION WHAT DIRECTION TO GO IN THE FUTURE.
17:50:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A SECOND --
17:50:11 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SORRY JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU
17:50:15 AWARE THE DEADLINE FOR EVERYTHING SUBMITTED TO THE
17:50:18 FEBRUARY 4 MEETING IS TOMORROW.
17:50:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T NEED A DOCUMENT.
17:50:22 JUST A STAFF REPORT.
17:50:24 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
17:50:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
17:50:28 SECOND BY CARLSON.
17:50:29 AWL IN FAVOR.
17:50:32 AYE.
17:50:37 THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ.
17:50:42 >> I'LL MADE A COMMENT TO DINGFELDER STATEMENT THAT IS
17:50:47 AN ILL ATTEMPT IN HUMOR, ALL OF US IN ONE FORM OR THE
17:50:50 OTHER HAVE SERVED THE PUBLIC ON BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND
17:50:52 COMMISSIONS.
17:50:56 AND I AM SURE WE ARE ALL HAD THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO
17:50:59 SERVE THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ON THESE BOARDS, COMMITTEES
17:51:00 AND COMMISSIONS.
17:51:03 I PERSONALLY SERVED CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, CODE
17:51:07 ENFORCEMENT BOARD, VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AND THE
17:51:11 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO
17:51:14 SERVE THE CITIZEN ON THESE BOARDS EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT
17:51:16 GET PAID.
17:51:19 SO THIS IS TAMPA.
17:51:22 OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY CITIZEN TO BE ABLE TO SERVE IS
17:51:23 OPEN TO ALL.
17:51:24 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
17:51:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL PUT.
17:51:26 THANK YOU.
17:51:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:51:33 ITEM NUMBER 3.
17:51:34 >>DAVID HEY: GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS.
17:51:38 DAVID HEY WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
17:51:42 ITEM NUMBER 3 FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
17:51:56 AND IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
17:51:59 IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN.
17:52:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET HIS SCREEN UP?
17:52:06 >>DAVID HEY: THERE WE GO.
17:52:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, SIR.
17:52:14 >>DAVID HEY: ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS IS TA/CPA 20-22.
17:52:21 LOCATED 7300 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET.
17:52:25 IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTH TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT.
17:52:33 IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PORT TAMPA CITY NEIGHBORHOOD
17:52:36 RIGHT ABOVE MACDILL AIR FORCE BASE.
17:52:40 HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN
17:52:41 RED HERE.
17:52:44 YOU HAVE WEST INGRAM STREET ON THE NORTH.
17:52:47 SOUTH CHARLES STREET TO THE EAST.
17:52:52 SOUTH O'BRIAN STREET ABOUT A BLOCK TO THE WEST.
17:52:57 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET IS ACTUALLY A PRIVATE STREET THAT
17:53:00 DEAD-ENDS INTO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SUBJECT
17:53:04 SITE AND FURTHER OUT COMMERCE AND THE CSX RIGHT-OF-WAY
17:53:06 FURTHER TO THE NORTH.
17:53:11 A LITTLE BACKGROUND OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST.
17:53:12 IT IS PRIVATELY INITIATED.
17:53:14 IT IS SMALL SCALE.
17:53:18 IT IS APPROXIMATELY .98 ACRES IN SIZE.
17:53:22 CURRENTLY THE SUBJECT SITE IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL-35
17:53:25 ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE APPLICANT IS
17:53:29 REQUESTING TO GO TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FUTURE LAND
17:53:29 USE CATEGORY.
17:53:32 HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
17:53:39 HERE WE ARE LOOKING NORTH ABOUT SHERRILL STREET, THE
17:53:42 SUBJECT SITE IS FROM THE SAINT MARK MISSIONARY BAPTIST
17:53:44 CHURCH ON LEFT.
17:53:47 BEHIND WHERE THESE TREES ARE AT.
17:53:52 NEXT WE ARE LOOKING WEST DOWN WEST INGRAM STREET FROM
17:53:54 S. SHERRILL STREET.
17:53:59 IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE AERIAL.
17:54:04 IT IS A LANDLOCKED PARCEL AND A PARCEL ONLY BY THE
17:54:06 APPLICANT THAT IS INDICATED LIGHT-INDUSTRIAL.
17:54:09 THAT IS THIS PARCEL HERE WHERE THE TREES ARE AT AND
17:54:14 WHERE THE SITE WILL GAIN ACCESS TO WEST INGRAM STREET.
17:54:18 HERE WE ARE LOOKING NORTHEAST INTO THE SUBJECT SITE OF
17:54:21 THE NORTHERN TERMINUS OF SOUTH SWOOPE STREET.
17:54:22 THE SOUTH SIDE.
17:54:27 THIS IS THE BACK -- THE BACK OF THE ST. MARK MISSIONARY
17:54:28 BAPTIST CHURCH.
17:54:31 YOU CAN SEE THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
17:54:35 HERE WE ARE LOOKING EAST FROM THAT NORTHERN TERMINUS OF
17:54:37 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET.
17:54:39 THIS IS THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL.
17:54:44 THAT IS LOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT
17:54:44 SITE.
17:54:48 AND HERE WE ARE STILL AT THE DEAD END PORTION OF SOUTH
17:54:53 SWOOPE STREET, BUT NOW WE ARE LOOKING NORTHWEST INTO
17:54:55 THE ADJACENT PARCEL.
17:54:59 SO YOU CAN SEE THIS PARCEL IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST
17:55:02 OF THE SUBJECT SITE, AND IT IS ALREADY BEING UTILIZED
17:55:07 FOR HEAVY COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
17:55:11 SO HERE RIGHT NOW -- HERE WE HAVE THE ADOPTED FUTURE
17:55:12 LAND USE MAP.
17:55:14 YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT SITE AND ALL THE PROPERTIES TO
17:55:19 THE EAST IN THAT DARK BROWN ARE THE RESIDENTIAL-35.
17:55:23 IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH AND WEST, YOU HAVE THAT GRAY
17:55:25 COLOR, WHICH REPRESENTS THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
17:55:31 AND THEN FURTHER TO THE SOUTH IN I GUESS THE TAN COLOR
17:55:35 IS ALL RESIDENTIAL-10 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
17:55:41 AND THIS -- HERE WE HAVE -- IF THIS WOULD BE -- GO TO
17:55:43 THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, YOU CAN SEE THE CHANGE HERE.
17:55:45 THIS IS KIND OF DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE TYPICALLY
17:55:47 USED TO SEEING.
17:55:50 USUALLY WE ARE USED TO SEEING INDUSTRIAL PARCELS
17:55:54 WANTING TO GO TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL LAND USE
17:55:54 CATEGORY.
17:56:00 THIS IS REALLY WORKING THE OTHER DIRECTION.
17:56:03 ALL RIGHT, UNDER THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL-35, THE SITE
17:56:08 COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR 34 DWELLING UNITS OR MAXIMUM OF
17:56:14 25,613 SQUARE FEET AND MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA TO
17:56:16 UTILIZE THAT NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
17:56:21 UNDER THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WE REMOVE THE POTENTIAL OF
17:56:21 ANY RESIDENTIAL.
17:56:26 THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR NONRESIDENTIAL DOES GO UP TO
17:56:29 APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 64,000 SQUARE FEET.
17:56:32 SO, AGAIN, THIS WOULD REMOVE THE POTENTIAL FOR
17:56:35 RESIDENTIAL USES BUT ALSO ALLOW GREATER NONRESIDENTIAL
17:56:39 INTENSITY INCLUDING THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND
17:56:44 INDUSTRIAL GENERAL USES.
17:56:47 YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION DID -- DID VERY VIEW THE
17:56:50 REQUEST AND FOUND TWO -- REVIEW THE REQUEST AND FOUND
17:56:52 TWO AREAS OF CONSISTENCY.
17:56:56 THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
17:56:56 AREA.
17:56:59 THIS WOULD REMOVE THE POTENTIAL FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS
17:57:04 ON THE PARCEL WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND
17:57:07 IT IS CONSISTENT WITH ENSURING THAT POPULATION
17:57:10 DENSITIES ARE NOT ENCOURAGED THROUGH PLAN AMENDMENTS IN
17:57:13 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
17:57:16 AND THEN REGARDING INDUSTRIAL LANDS, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE
17:57:19 PLAN SUPPORTS THE PROTECTION OF EXISTING INDUSTRIAL
17:57:23 LANDS AND THE APPROPRIATE EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIAL AREAS
17:57:28 AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT ADJACENT
17:57:30 NEIGHBORHOODS.
17:57:33 SO BASED ON THAT, YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION IS
17:57:36 RECOMMENDING TO YOU THIS EVENING THAT THE PROPOSED MAP
17:57:38 AMENDMENT BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS,
17:57:43 OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
17:57:44 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:57:46 THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
17:57:48 I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
17:57:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
17:57:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:57:53 THANK YOU, DAVID.
17:57:54 TWO QUESTIONS.
17:57:58 NUMBER ONE, THIS PARCEL IS RATHER LANDLOCKED.
17:58:04 WHERE DID THEY PUT THE NOTICE SIGN?
17:58:05 >>DAVID HEY: I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK.
17:58:10 IT WAS EITHER AT THE END OF SWOOPE STREET OR IT MAY
17:58:16 HAVE BEFORE LOCATED AT THAT -- BEEN LOCATED AT THAT
17:58:19 PARCEL THEY CO-OWN UP TO THE NORTH.
17:58:22 THEY OWN THIS PIECE HERE.
17:58:25 THIS WOULD BE THEIR ACCESS BUT THAT IS ALREADY LIGHT
17:58:25 INDUSTRIAL.
17:58:29 SO HOW THIS -- THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIGN.
17:58:32 IF YOU PHYSICALLY CAN'T PUT IT ON, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT
17:58:37 TO THE SITE, WE TRY TO PUT IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO
17:58:38 THE SUBJECT SITE.
17:58:40 THAT HAPPENS A LOT OUT IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU WILL
17:58:45 HAVE A HUGE RANCH AND NO STREETS OR ANYTHING NEAR IT.
17:58:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MAYBE THE APPLICANT OR THE CLERK
17:58:51 CAN ADVISE US WITH A PHOTOGRAPH.
17:58:53 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY
17:58:58 WAS PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, WAS APPROPRIATELY GIVEN.
17:58:59 MY NEXT QUESTION.
17:59:04 I SAW ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
17:59:08 I DIDN'T CATCH ONE OF THE -- OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE
17:59:13 EAST ON SHERRILL.
17:59:16 ARE THERE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ALONG THERE?
17:59:19 I SEE ONE ROOF THAT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE SINGLE
17:59:23 FAMILY -- SINGLE FAMILY.
17:59:26 >>DAVID HEY: LET ME GO TO THE AERIAL.
17:59:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS THE
17:59:30 AERIAL.
17:59:34 >>DAVID HEY: HERE WE GO, ALL RIGHT, TO THE WEST WE
17:59:40 HAVE STORAGE WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE OUT HERE AND
17:59:45 IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH ON SWOOPE STREET IS
17:59:45 RESIDENTIAL.
17:59:48 ALL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED.
17:59:48 THE CHURCH.
17:59:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, THAT IS THE CHURCH.
17:59:54 >>DAVID HEY: THE CHURCH RIGHT HERE AND THAT IS ALSO A
17:59:57 HISTORIC PORTION OF THAT CHURCH.
17:59:59 THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 50S.
18:00:03 THIS LOOKS LIKE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE EAST SIDE
18:00:04 RELATED TO THE CHURCH.
18:00:07 THE RESIDENTIAL REALLY DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL YOU GET
18:00:08 SOUTH OF THIS LINE.
18:00:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT
18:00:13 BUILDING.
18:00:14 YOU SAID IT WAS THE CHURCH.
18:00:15 THANK YOU, DAVID.
18:00:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
18:00:18 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
18:00:18 HEARING NONE.
18:00:21 ALL RIGHT.
18:00:22 NEXT UP.
18:00:24 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR THIS?
18:00:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUICK QUESTION TO CATE.
18:00:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
18:00:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: KATE, SO WE DON'T -- I KNOW WE HAVE
18:00:38 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEW THIS WITH AN OPINION.
18:00:42 I WONDER WHY -- AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS CASE IN
18:00:46 PARTICULAR, BUT WHY DON'T WE HAVE OUR STAFF REVIEW
18:00:48 THESE WITH AN OPINION.
18:00:52 BECAUSE ULTIMATELY A COMP PLAN DESIGNATION IS -- IS
18:00:56 PRETTY DARN IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FOR FUTURE
18:00:57 USES.
18:01:00 AND I WOULD THINK THAT IT SEEMS TO ME MAYBE IN THE PAST
18:01:03 OUR STAFF USED TO GIVE OPINIONS ON THESE, BUT I CAN'T
18:01:07 REMEMBER.
18:01:08 >>CATE WELLS: [INAUDIBLE]
18:01:12 -- TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD HAVE
18:01:15 TO GO THROUGH THE PACKET.
18:01:17 WHEN THE AMENDMENTS WERE FILED WITH THE PLANNING
18:01:21 COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REACHES OUT TO
18:01:25 LACHONE DOCK AND DISSEMINATED WITHIN THE CITY
18:01:25 DEPARTMENT.
18:01:28 THEY DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THEM AND I
18:01:32 BELIEVE THAT THE BRIEFINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL IN
18:01:33 PREPARATION FOR TONIGHT.
18:01:36 FRANK HALL WITH THE CITY PARTICIPATED IN THE BRIEFINGS.
18:01:38 I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS AVAILABLE ONLINE, BUT THOSE ARE
18:01:42 REVIEWED INTERNALLY BY STAFF AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE
18:01:42 MADE.
18:01:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
18:01:48 SO DAVID, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, COULD YOU JUST CASUALLY
18:01:52 MENTION, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OR
18:01:55 DOESN'T, JUST TO GIVE US THE BIGGER PICTURE.
18:01:59 THANK YOU.
18:02:01 >>DAVID HEY: YEAH, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
18:02:03 THIS IS DAVID WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:02:06 WHEN THE CITY STAFF PRESENTED AT THE PLANNING
18:02:08 COMMISSION, THERE WAS -- THEY ALSO WERE FINDING IT
18:02:12 CONSISTENT.
18:02:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
18:02:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. GRANDOFF.
18:02:20 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY
18:02:23 COUNCIL AND THE CITY AND PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
18:02:25 MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF.
18:02:29 ADDRESS SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA.
18:02:32 THIS EVENING, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING OUR
18:02:39 CLIENT, MR. ROBERT VALDEZ, WHO ON WHOSE BEHALF WE FILED
18:02:40 THIS PLAN AMENDMENT THIS EVENING.
18:02:43 TO CLARIFY THE SIGN ISSUE AS DIRECTED BY THE PLANNING
18:02:48 COMMISSION STAFF, WE POSTED THE SIGN ON SWOOPE STREET.
18:02:53 AND WE FILED THE REQUIRED AFFIDAVIT WITH THE CLERK OF
18:02:56 THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONFIRMING THE PROPER POSTING.
18:03:02 WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER INQUIRIES REGARDING THE
18:03:02 SIGN.
18:03:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT THE INTERSECTION OF SWOOPE AND
18:03:08 IDAHO OR THE TOP END OF SWOOPE?
18:03:09 >> THE TOP END OF SWOOPE.
18:03:13 JAMIE -- OUR ASSOCIATE IN THE FIRM POSTED THE SIGN.
18:03:17 AND SHE COULD SPEAK TO IT IF WOULD YOU WANT TO INQUIRE
18:03:19 OF HER.
18:03:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
18:03:28 >> THE -- EXCUSE ME, THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN PROPERLY
18:03:30 REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:03:35 JAMIE IS GOING TO PROVIDE SOME HIGHLIGHTS TO YOU.
18:03:39 AND WE WILL PROBABLY RETURN TO YOU AT A LATER DATE WITH
18:03:42 A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REZONING OF THE PROPERTY TO CARRY
18:03:45 FORWARD WITH MR. VALDEZ'S VERY EXCITING PLANS FOR THIS
18:03:45 PROPERTY.
18:03:51 I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE JAMIE MAYER, AN ASSOCIATE TO
18:03:53 OUR FIRM TO PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU.
18:03:57 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JAMIE MAYER WITH THE LAW FIRM HILL,
18:04:00 WARD, HENDERSON FOR THE APPLICANT.
18:04:04 MY ADDRESS IS THE SAME AS JOHN'S, 101 KENNEDY BOULEVARD
18:04:06 SUITE 3100.
18:04:09 I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE ELMO IF POSSIBLE.
18:04:12 CAN I TURN ON THE MICROPHONE OVER THERE?
18:04:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE.
18:04:20 >> THANK YOU.
18:04:20 CHECK.
18:04:24 STAFF DID AN AMAZING JOB PRESENTING AND I DON'T WANT TO
18:04:27 WASTE TIME BASICALLY SHOWING THE SAME PHOTOS AND THE
18:04:28 SAME MAP.
18:04:33 IT BASICALLY LOOKS THE SAME AND I FEEL LIKE A COPY CAT.
18:04:38 BUT TO REITERATE, THIS -- THIS IS -- THE GOAL HERE IS
18:04:42 TO GET THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN REZONE TO
18:04:46 AN INDUSTRIAL LAND USE SO OUR CLIENT CAN DEVELOP WHAT
18:04:50 IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE SORT OF CRAFTSMAN VILLAGE OR
18:04:53 A SMALL INDUSTRIAL INCUBATOR THAT WILL PROVIDE SPACES
18:04:58 FOR INDIVIDUAL SMALL AND SOLO FABRICATORS AND
18:05:02 MACHINISTS TO USE THE SPACE AS THEIR WORKSHOP.
18:05:05 WITH PORT TAMPA AS A VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA AND THE
18:05:08 SURROUNDING AREA BEING QUITE INDUSTRIAL WE THINK THIS
18:05:11 IS A POSITIVE AND INTERESTING IDEA TO PROMOTE SMALLER
18:05:15 MACHINISTS AND KIND OF BE ABLE TO RENT THEIR OWN LITTLE
18:05:17 SPACES TO DO THEIR WORK.
18:05:22 AGAIN, THESE AERIALS -- PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT I
18:05:25 PREPARED IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN BUT
18:05:27 ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
18:05:30 AGAIN THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE WEST THAT STAFF
18:05:32 REPORTED OUT IS KIND OF A STORAGE AREA.
18:05:35 A LOT OF VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY.
18:05:38 THIS IS THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE NORTH WHICH IS ALSO
18:05:39 VERY INDUSTRIAL.
18:05:42 HERE IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE CHURCH.
18:05:44 SO THAT'S ON THE EAST.
18:05:46 AND ALSO WHAT LOOKS LIKE A PARKING LOT TO THE CHURCH
18:05:47 NEXT TO IT.
18:05:52 AND THEN THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS SHERRILL TO
18:05:52 THE EAST.
18:05:56 YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS, BUT THE SIGN WAS POSTED IN
18:05:56 THIS AREA.
18:06:01 THE END OF SWOOPE STREET AND THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES
18:06:04 ON THAT SIDE THAT WAS SHOWN, THE BLUE HOUSE OVER THERE
18:06:06 JUST TO GIVE CONTEXT.
18:06:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: PARDON ME, DO WE HAVE AN AERIAL SHOT
18:06:12 OF THE SIGN BEING POSTED?
18:06:17 >> THOSE WERE SENT PER THE CODE REQUIREMENT TO THE
18:06:18 PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:06:21 I DID NOT BRING A COPY OF THE FOE BUT IT IS ON FILE
18:06:24 WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:06:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. HEY.
18:06:30 >>DAVID HEY: IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW IT ON MY --
18:06:33 >> IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE PARTICIPATE IN OUR
18:06:35 PRESENTATIONS BECAUSE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS BEFORE
18:06:39 HAND AND THEY WOULDN'T LET US BE THERE IF THEY DIDN'T
18:06:41 THINK IT WAS PROPERLY POSTED.
18:06:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. HEY.
18:06:48 >>DAVID HEY: COUNCILMEMBERS, THIS IS DAVID HEY.
18:06:50 I HAVE ACCESS TO THE PHOTOS.
18:06:55 IF YOU WANT TO SEE THEM, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF YOU
18:06:56 WOULD LIKE.
18:06:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN SHE FINISHES, I WOULD LIKE TO
18:07:01 SEE THEM.
18:07:01 >> SORRY.
18:07:05 EVERYTHING IS BACKWARDS UP HERE.
18:07:10 AS MR. HEY IS REQUESTING, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS
18:07:14 TOTALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:07:16 SPECIFIC GOALS THAT I BROUGHT UP.
18:07:20 THE INDUSTRIAL AREAS -- THE PORT TAMPA AREA
18:07:22 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN THE PLAN IS WORTHY OF
18:07:26 RECOGNIZING WHAT A SIGNIFICANT INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT IT
18:07:27 IS.
18:07:30 THE PLAN ENCOURAGES CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION AND USE
18:07:33 IN THE AREA AND TO MAINTAIN INDUSTRIAL AREAS THROUGHOUT
18:07:38 THE CITY TO PROVIDE FOR FLEX SPACE, R & D SPACES FOR
18:07:42 MANUFACTURING WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO ACHIEVE
18:07:44 HERE AND TO PRESERVE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA
18:07:46 APPROPRIATELY LOCATED.
18:07:48 THIS AREA IS ALREADY INDUSTRIAL.
18:07:51 HISTORICALLY IT HAS BEEN INDUSTRIAL AND ALSO AS STAFF
18:07:54 POINTED OUT, USUALLY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GO
18:07:55 RESIDENTIAL WITH INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
18:07:57 WELL, WE ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE.
18:08:01 WE ARE REMOVING -- WE ARE NOT MAKING A REQUEST --
18:08:03 ANOTHER REQUEST FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
18:08:05 WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE INDUSTRIAL USES OF THE
18:08:08 AREA AND THAT IS IMPORTANT, OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW IN
18:08:11 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:08:15 THIS WAS THE EXCERPT OF CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
18:08:17 IT WAS FOR APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING
18:08:20 COMMISSION STAFF REPORT ON HEARING ON NOVEMBER 2 WAS
18:08:21 FOR RECOMMEND AS CONSISTENT.
18:08:24 THAT IS REALLY ALL I HAVE, BUT, OF COURSE, I AM HAPPY
18:08:27 TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE A PICTURE
18:08:28 OF THE SIGN.
18:08:28 THANK YOU.
18:08:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
18:08:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
18:08:37 THIS IS A ZONING ISSUE; HOWEVER, THE QUESTION HAS TO BE
18:08:39 ASKED, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
18:08:44 ANY INDUSTRIAL HAZARDS INVOLVED WITH THIS TO EFFECT THE
18:08:47 HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES
18:08:50 THAT ARE ABUTTING THIS PROPERTY?
18:08:54 >> NOT BEING AN ENGINEER, I AM NOT AN EXPERT, SO I
18:08:55 CAN'T TESTIFY.
18:08:59 I MEAN I WOULD SAY NO -- BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MY
18:09:04 TESTIMONY IS -- KNOW, IT IS NOT EXPERT TESTIMONY.
18:09:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I SEE MISS WELLS.
18:09:09 SHE IS COMING TO CHASTISE ME.
18:09:12 I HAD TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
18:09:16 >>CATE WELLS: THIS IS FOR PLAN AMENDMENT THOSE WILL BE
18:09:17 IN THE FUTURE.
18:09:20 THIS IS THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF LAND
18:09:24 USE DESIGNATION AND I WANTED TO RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN
18:09:27 DINGFELDER'S QUESTION OF THE CITY STAFF COMMENTS.
18:09:28 THEY WENT BACK IN THE FILE.
18:09:33 THEY START ON PAGE 20 AND CONTINUE TO PAGE 44.
18:09:37 THE COMMENTS ARE IN THERE.
18:09:42 THE COMMENT NO COMMENT FROM CITY STAFF.
18:09:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT WAS WORTH A TRY.
18:09:46 YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
18:09:48 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:09:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
18:09:50 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
18:09:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THE KEY ISSUE ON SOMETHING
18:10:00 LIKE THIS IS WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL USES IN A LIGHT
18:10:01 INDUSTRY.
18:10:06 AND I THINK THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL USES
18:10:11 THAT ARE FAIRLY INTENSIVE IF A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS
18:10:14 GOING TO BE PROPOSED ADJACENT TO MY SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
18:10:19 I WOULD BE PRETTY CONCERNED; HOWEVER, I KNOW THIS AREA
18:10:23 WELL HAVING PREVIOUSLY REPRESENTED IT AS A DISTRICT
18:10:29 COUNCILMAN AND THIS IS A TRANSITIONAL SPOT THAT YOU
18:10:31 FOLKS ARE IN.
18:10:35 THERE IS NO DOUBT TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, IT'S --
18:10:38 IT'S ALL LIGHT INDUSTRY.
18:10:42 LOTS OF AUTOMOTIVE USES AND OTHER TYPES OF USES.
18:10:44 AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE WEST AND CLEARLY TO THE
18:10:48 SOUTH, YOU START ON THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH
18:10:50 THE CHURCH SORT OF IN BETWEEN.
18:10:55 IN LIGHT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL WAIT TO HEAR IF THERE
18:11:00 IS ANY COMMUNITY OBJECTION OR CONCERNS, BUT IT CONCERNS
18:11:06 ME LESS BECAUSE IT IS IN THAT TRANSITION ALLOCATION.
18:11:06 >> THANK YOU.
18:11:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
18:11:11 MR. HEY, YOU HAVE PHOTOS YOU WANTED TO SHOW.
18:11:21 IF YOU COULD SHARE HIS SCREEN.
18:11:24 >>DAVID HEY: HERE IS -- THESE -- THIS IS THE SIGN FOR
18:11:26 TONIGHT'S MEETING.
18:11:30 YOU CAN SEE -- AND I CAN TELL THIS IS AT THE END OF
18:11:32 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET.
18:11:38 AND THEN IT WAS NEXT TO OUR SIGN FOR THE PLANNING
18:11:39 COMMISSION MEETING.
18:11:42 SO HOPEFULLY YOU ARE SEEING THAT UP AS WELL.
18:11:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU SAID THAT -- THAT IS ON PRIVATE
18:11:50 PROPERTY AT THE END OF A PRIVATE LANE?
18:11:57 >>DAVID HEY: IT IS ON -- IT'S ON THE EASEMENT FOR
18:12:00 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, IT IS A --
18:12:05 THAT SEGMENT OF SOUTH SWOOPE STREET IS A PRIVATE DRIVE.
18:12:09 I THINK THE -- THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING
18:12:12 COMMISSION WITH PLACING THE SIGNS THERE I THINK WAS TO
18:12:17 ENSURE THAT THOSE RESIDENTS ON SOUTH SWOOPE STREET KNEW
18:12:22 THAT THIS POTENTIAL COULD BE -- THAT THIS CHANGE COULD
18:12:23 HAPPEN.
18:12:27 AND THIS -- BECAUSE IF -- IF IT WAS PLACED UP ON THE
18:12:31 STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE, INGRAM, THAT STREET IS ALL
18:12:33 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ALREADY.
18:12:37 SO THE RESIDENTS PROBABLY ARE NOT DRIVING DOWN INGRAM
18:12:38 EVERY DAY.
18:12:43 SO THIS WAS THE FEELING FROM STAFF WAS THIS WOULD HAVE
18:12:47 MORE OF AN IMPACT ENSURING THAT PUBLIC NOTICE IS
18:12:54 GRANTED TO THE NEARBY RESIDENTS.
18:12:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. HEY.
18:12:58 >>DAVID HEY: THANK YOU.
18:12:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:13:02 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
18:13:03 MA'AM?
18:13:09 >> ALSO, OUR CLIENT SAID PRIVATE PROPERTY AND OUR
18:13:12 CLIENT IS UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE IT.
18:13:17 IF THAT IS AT ALL RELEVANT.
18:13:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
18:13:20 HEARING NONE, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
18:13:23 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
18:13:24 NUMBER 3?
18:13:27 YES, MA'AM, PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN AND STATE YOUR
18:13:27 NAME.
18:13:31 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
18:13:32 THAT'S FINE.
18:13:33 RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE AT.
18:13:35 SURE, STATE YOUR NAME.
18:13:37 >> GOOD EVENING.
18:13:40 STEPHANIE POINTER AND I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
18:13:43 AND WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY, I FORGOT.
18:13:45 I HAD NO INTENTION OF SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM.
18:13:50 I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE AGENDA ITEM.
18:13:53 WE HAD STOP OVER BUILDING SOG AS A RULE WOULD NOT
18:13:55 OPPOSE THIS.
18:13:57 I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY COMMUNITY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
18:14:00 TRUST ME, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF OUR COMMUNITY
18:14:03 HAD ISSUES WITH THIS, THEY WOULD DO IT.
18:14:05 THE ONLY CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN WITHIN THE
18:14:09 COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IS THAT
18:14:12 THANK GOD IT IS NOT AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
18:14:16 SO BOTTOM LINE IS, IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE
18:14:18 JOBS AND PUT IN A PLACE TO GIVE SOMEBODY JOBS IN PORT
18:14:20 TAMPA, WE ARE ALL FOR IT.
18:14:23 THANK YOU.
18:14:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:14:27 ANYBODY ELSE?
18:14:28 ANY QUESTIONS?
18:14:31 IF NOT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE.
18:14:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION.
18:14:34 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
18:14:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR.
18:14:37 AYE.
18:14:38 ANY OPPOSED.
18:14:40 COUNCILMAN VIERA, READ ITEM NUMBER 3.
18:14:41 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL, MR. CHAIR.
18:14:44 BEFORE I DO THAT I WANT TO COMMEND THE YOUNG ATTORNEY
18:14:45 AT HILL WARD.
18:14:46 GOOD JOB.
18:14:47 I JUST WANTED TO SAY.
18:14:50 I KNOW -- I HAVE BEEN THERE.
18:14:50 GOOD JOB.
18:14:52 A LOT OF PRESSURE.
18:14:55 I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST
18:14:58 READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE
18:15:01 IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE
18:15:05 ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
18:15:10 7300 SOUTH SWOOPE STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL-35 TO LIGHT
18:15:14 INDUSTRY PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
18:15:17 CONFLICT, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN
18:15:20 EFFECTIVE.
18:15:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
18:15:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
18:15:25 ALL IN FAVOR.
18:15:30 OPPOSED.
18:15:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAVE THE CLERK ANNOUNCE IT.
18:15:32 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
18:15:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
18:15:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
18:15:36 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
18:15:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
18:15:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
18:15:50 >>CLERK: MOTION PASSES WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
18:15:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
18:15:56 >> IF I MAY FOR A MOMENT ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION YOU
18:15:58 HAD WHERE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE HELD.
18:16:01 I MISSED WHETHER -- THE ONLY MEETING THAT WILL BE HELD
18:16:05 IN THE OLD CITY HALL IS THE FEBRUARY 4 MEETING?
18:16:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING
18:16:11 BEGINNING NEXT THURSDAY AT 9 A.M.
18:16:14 >> UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE?
18:16:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
18:16:18 >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR NOTICES RIGHT.
18:16:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
18:16:23 >>BILL CARSON: IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, I AM GOING
18:16:25 TO RECUSE FROM NUMBER 4.
18:16:28 I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND A
18:16:31 COMPANY RELATED TO THIS THAT MY COMPANY DOES BUSINESS
18:16:32 WITH.
18:16:35 WE DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A CONFLICT AND HE IS ADVISING ME
18:16:37 TO STEP OUT SO I WILL DO THAT NOW.
18:16:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:16:40 THANK YOU, SIR.
18:16:43 WE ARE NOW DOWN TO FIVE COUNCILMEMBERS FOR ITEM NUMBER
18:16:48 4.
18:16:50 >>DANNY COLLINS: THIS IS DANNY COLLINS.
18:17:07 CAN YOU SHARE MY SCREEN?
18:17:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
18:17:12 >>DANNY COLLINS: THIS IS DANNY COLLINS.
18:17:14 THIS IS DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
18:17:15 STAFF.
18:17:25 THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP AMOUNT 20-23.
18:17:29 THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING
18:17:33 DISTRICT WITHIN THE HISTORIC YBOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YBOR
18:17:34 URBAN VILLAGE.
18:17:37 SHOWN HERE ON OUR LOCATIONAL MAP.
18:17:41 THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND
18:17:41 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
18:17:48 YOU WILL SEE THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED AND ANGELES
18:17:48 NORTH STREET.
18:17:52 THIS IS NORTH 19TH STREET TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT
18:17:52 SITE.
18:17:55 AND THEN ONE BLOCK TO THE WEST IS NORTH 17TH STREET.
18:17:59 THE SUBJECT SITE IS TWO BLOCKS NORTH OF ADAMO DRIVE.
18:18:02 YOU WILL SEE THE SUBJECT SITE SURROUNDED BY
18:18:05 PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL USES TO THE SOUTH.
18:18:10 AND THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES AS YOU MOVE NORTH.
18:18:14 THIS IS AN IMAGE LOOKING AT THE -- LOOKING EAST AFTER
18:18:19 ANGELES EAST AT THE SUBJECT SITE.
18:18:21 THIS IS LOOKING NORTH.
18:18:24 THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON OUR RIGHT.
18:18:27 THIS IS LOOKING BEST ON EAST 3RD AVENUE.
18:18:32 THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON THE RIGHT.
18:18:35 THIS IS STANDING ON THE SUBJECT SITE LOOKING SOUTH
18:18:37 ACROSS EAST 3RD AVENUE.
18:18:39 THIS IS LOOKING AT THE PERSON PORTION OF THE SUBJECT
18:18:46 SITE FROM ANGEL AND NORTH STREET.THE EASTERN PORTION
18:18:48 FROM EAST 3RD AVENUE.
18:18:50 QUICK BACKGROUND OF THE CHECK.
18:18:55 THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT, IS A SMALL
18:18:56 SCALE AMOUNT.
18:18:58 APPROXIMATELY .23 ACRES.
18:19:01 THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM THE
18:19:07 GENERAL MIXED USE-24 DESIGNATION TO THE YOU ARE URBAN
18:19:09 MIXED USE 60 DESIGNATION.
18:19:13 THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
18:19:17 UNDER MIXED 24 FUTURE LAND USE GENERATION.
18:19:20 THERE IS UMU 60 TO THE EAST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT
18:19:21 SITE.
18:19:24 YOU MAY RECALL ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THIS PARCEL TO THE
18:19:27 EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE CAME IN FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT
18:19:33 TO THAT UMU-60 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
18:19:36 TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS CMU-35.
18:19:42 AND TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS THE GMU-24.
18:19:46 THIS GRID REPRESENTS THE COMMERCIAL-35 CATEGORY AND THE
18:19:52 GRAY ALONG ADAMO DRIVE REPRESENTS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
18:19:55 THIS IS THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE MAP SHOWING THE
18:20:01 SUBJECT SITE UNDER THAT UMU-60 CATEGORY.
18:20:05 CURRENTLY UNDER THE GMU-24 DESIGNATION, THE SITE CAN BE
18:20:09 CONSIDERED FOR FIVE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS OR OVER
18:20:11 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
18:20:14 AS PROPOSED, THE SUBJECT SITE CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR 13
18:20:20 POTENTIAL DWELLING UNITS OR -- OR ABOUT 32,500 SQUARE
18:20:23 FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
18:20:26 THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR INCREASE IN
18:20:29 DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL BY ALLOWING THAT HIGHER
18:20:34 RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AND GREATER COMMERCIAL INTENSITY ON
18:20:36 THE SUBJECT SITE.
18:20:38 THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THE REQUEST, AND THEY
18:20:41 FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL OF THE POLICIES IN THE
18:20:46 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MORE SHE SPECIFICALLY THE CITY
18:20:52 PLANNING STRATEGY AND DEVELOPMENT IN URBAN VILLAGE AND
18:20:54 CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD POLICIES AND ALSO THE
18:20:58 HOUSING POLICIES THAT WERE -- THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE
18:20:59 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:21:03 BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
18:21:06 RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED MAP AMENDMENT BE FOUND
18:21:09 CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF
18:21:12 THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:21:17 I FORGET TO MENTION THIS DID GO TO THE BLC BACK IN
18:21:22 DECEMBER, AND THEY ALSO FOUND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
18:21:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:21:26 >>DANNY COLLINS: I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
18:21:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
18:21:33 MR. BENTLEY.
18:21:36 >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCILMEMBERS.
18:21:40 MY NAME IS MARK BENTLEY, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET,
18:21:42 TAMPA, 33602.
18:21:46 I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNERS NICK CAPUTANO AND YBOR
18:21:49 LAND AND PRINCIPAL IS MR. DARYL SHAW.
18:21:55 THE REQUEST AS DANNY INDICATED FROM GMU-24 TO UMU-60
18:21:59 FOR .23 ACRES THAT IS ROUGHLY 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
18:22:02 THE GMU CATEGORY WAS CREATED BY THE CITY AS A PLACE
18:22:07 HOLDER OR INTERIM CATEGORY IN THE '90S TO AVOID
18:22:10 CREATING NONCONFORMING USES AND NONCONFORMING
18:22:14 CHARACTERISTICS OF USE IN WEST TAMPA AND YBOR CITY.
18:22:18 SO IT IS CONSIDERED IF IN THE INTERIM CATEGORY AND
18:22:22 PLACEHOLDER UNTIL THERE IS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
18:22:28 THIS REQUEST IS IDENTICAL TO CPA19-15 WHICH DANNY
18:22:31 INDICATED DOWN HAD APPROVED LAST YEAR AND THAT IS THE
18:22:36 PROPERTY LOCATED DIRECTLY EAST OF AND CONTIGUOUS TO THE
18:22:36 SUBJECT PROPERTY.
18:22:38 IT IS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
18:22:42 AND ULTIMATELY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT PROPERTY AFTER
18:22:45 COUNCIL APPROVED IT IS THE PROPERTY RECEIVED A
18:22:49 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE BARRIO LATINO
18:22:52 COMMISSION FOR A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
18:22:56 THE INTENT TO INTEGRATE THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET UNDER
18:22:59 CONSIDERATION INTO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
18:23:03 AND AS DANNY INDICATED, RECENTLY WE WENT IN FRONT OF
18:23:08 THE BLC CONCERNING THIS AMENDMENT AND EXPLAINED THE
18:23:10 SITUATION AND UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL
18:23:13 FOR APPROVAL.
18:23:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:23:20 >> THE REQUEST FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF, VLP
18:23:21 CITY PLANNING.
18:23:25 MR. DINGFELDER, IN YOUR BACKUP, THERE IS A MEMO FROM
18:23:25 CITY STAFF.
18:23:29 IT IS ON PAGES 30 AND 31, I BELIEVE, WHERE THEY
18:23:32 CONCLUDE THAT THE REQUEST FULFILLS ALL THE REQUIREMENT
18:23:36 THAT CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER WHEN EVALUATING A PLAN
18:23:37 AMENDMENT.
18:23:39 IT HAS RECEIVED UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL
18:23:43 AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN FROM THE PLANNING
18:23:44 COMMISSION.
18:23:47 SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERING AND APPROVAL
18:23:47 THIS EVENING.
18:23:51 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE GLADLY ATTEMPT TO
18:23:52 ANSWER THEM.
18:23:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
18:23:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:23:58 THANK YOU MR. BENTLEY.
18:24:02 I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HEIGHT CONCERNS
18:24:11 AS WE TRANSITION FROM ADAMO -- OR ADAMO AND APPROACH
18:24:12 7TH.
18:24:17 THE DISTRICT AND SPECIFICALLY THE BARRIO HAS CONCERNS
18:24:19 ABOUT HEIGHT.
18:24:23 I KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE A WHILE BACK.
18:24:27 WHAT IS THE HEIGHT -- IS THERE A HEIGHT LIMITATION ON
18:24:33 THE UMU-60 ITSELF OR A FUNCTION OF THE EVENTUAL
18:24:35 REZONING?
18:24:38 >> A FUNCTION OF THE EXISTING ZONING ACTUALLY.
18:24:45 AND I BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER, AS YOU SEE SOUTH OF 7TH
18:24:47 AVENUE, IT GOES UP A MINIMAL AMOUNT.
18:24:50 AND I THINK THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL AREA IS
18:24:52 60 FEET.
18:24:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO -- WHAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING ON
18:24:56 THAT?
18:24:59 YC WHAT?
18:25:01 >> DANNY, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT IN YOUR
18:25:02 ANALYSIS?
18:25:10 I THOUGHT WAS YC 4 OR -- ALL THE ZONING CATEGORIES IN
18:25:11 YBOR LIMIT THE HEIGHT.
18:25:13 EITHER 50 OR 60 FEET.
18:25:18 AND WE DON'T -- WE DON'T INTEND TO EXCEED THE
18:25:23 LIMITATION ON THE PROPERTY NOW OR SEEK ANY VARIANCES OR
18:25:25 REZONINGS.
18:25:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THIS DOESN'T -- THIS DOESN'T
18:25:32 GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO SEEK A HIGHER DENSITY, A HIGHER
18:25:36 YC CATEGORY?
18:25:37 >> NO.
18:25:42 ACTUALLY I WILL LOOK AT YOUR BACKUP.
18:25:47 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS --
18:25:50 >>DANNY COLLINS: YC 6.
18:25:51 >> YC 6.
18:25:54 ON PAGE ONE OF YOUR BACKUP.
18:25:58 A MEMO FROM FRANK HALL TO MARY SAMANIEGO.
18:25:59 YC 7.
18:26:03 AND I DON'T HAVE THE CODE IN FRONT OF ME BUT I TESTIFY
18:26:04 50 OR 60 FEET.
18:26:07 THAT IS THE HEIGHT LIMITATION PRETTY MUCH SOUTH OF 7TH
18:26:14 AVENUE FOR ENTIRE YBOR CITY DOWN FROM ADAMO FROM 4TH
18:26:16 AVENUE DOWN TO ADAMO.
18:26:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:26:20 THANK YOU, MR. BENTLEY.
18:26:21 >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
18:26:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
18:26:26 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM
18:26:28 NUMBER 4?
18:26:29 ITEM NUMBER 4?
18:26:33 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC FOR ITEM NUMBER 4?
18:26:35 SEEING NONE.
18:26:37 ANYBODY REGISTERED, MADAM CLERK?
18:26:40 >>CLERK: WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK FOR
18:26:43 THIS ITEM.
18:26:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
18:26:49 GUDES, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
18:26:50 ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
18:26:52 OPPOSED.
18:26:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE NUMBER TA/CPA 20-23.
18:26:58 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
18:27:01 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040
18:27:04 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT,
18:27:11 FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 1402 NORTH
18:27:17 19TH STREET AND 1802 EAST FOR GENERAL MIXED USE TO
18:27:20 URBAN MIXED USE-60 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL
18:27:22 ORDINANCES.
18:27:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND
18:27:25 SECOND FROM VIERA.
18:27:27 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
18:27:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
18:27:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
18:27:32 >> CARLSON?
18:27:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
18:27:37 >>CLERK: MIRANDA.
18:27:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
18:27:46 >> MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING AND MIRANDA
18:27:47 BEING ABSENT.
18:27:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEGINNING 6 P.M. WITH ITEM NUMBER
18:27:51 FIVE.
18:27:54 LOTS AND LOTS OF SPEAKERS AND WE WILL TAKE A
18:27:57 FIVE-MINUTE RECESS AND WE WILL RECONVENE HERE.
18:28:03 THANK YOU.
18:32:48 (CITY COUNCIL RECESS.)
18:37:10 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
18:40:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
18:40:33 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
18:40:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
18:40:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
18:40:41 CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN ITEMS 5 THROUGH 10?
18:40:44 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
18:40:46 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
18:40:47 ALL IN FAVOR?
18:40:49 ALL RIGHT.
18:40:49 IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK SINCE THESE ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL,
18:40:55 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND ON ANY OF THE ITEMS.
18:40:59 AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
18:41:00 >> THERE MAY BE PEOPLE IN THE OTHER ROOM.
18:41:14 >> I'LL ASK AHEAD OF TIME.
18:41:18 OKAY.
18:41:19 ITEM NUMBER 5.
18:41:20 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:41:22 SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, SENIOR ASSISTANTS CITY ATTORNEY.
18:41:25 THIS IS A CONTINUED REVIEW HEARING FOR AN SU-1 SPECIAL
18:41:29 USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO LDC SECTION 27-61.
18:41:33 AN SU-1 SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS ONE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN
18:41:36 DETERMINED TO BE AN ALLOWED USE IF IT MEETS THE CODE
18:41:39 CRITERIA FOR THAT USE THAT IS FOUND IN SECTION 27-132, IN
18:41:43 THIS CASE, THE SPECIAL USE THAT'S BEING SOUGHT IS A
18:41:47 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING.
18:41:48 THOSE SPECIFIC CRITERIA ARE LISTED ON PAGES 2 AND 3 OF
18:41:52 YOUR STAFF REPORT.
18:41:52 THIS APPLICATION DID NOT MEET THE CODE CRITERIA, SO
18:41:55 PETITIONERS ARE ESSENTIALLY SEEKING A WAIVER FROM COUNCIL
18:41:58 THIS EVENING.
18:42:00 CITY COUNCIL SHALL GRANT WAIVERS IF COUNCIL FIND THAT THE
18:42:03 APPLICATION AFTER GRANTING THE WAIVER IS CONSISTENT WITH
18:42:05 THE APPLICABLE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION
18:42:08 27-129.
18:42:10 THIS REVIEW HEARING IS DE NOVO WHICH MEANS THAT YOU ARE
18:42:13 NOT LIMITED IN YOUR REVIEW TO THE INFORMATION,
18:42:16 DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE UPON WHICH STAFF BASED ITS
18:42:18 DECISION.
18:42:19 HOWEVER, YOU MUST APPLY THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE TO THE
18:42:22 EVIDENCE PRESENTED THIS EVENING.
18:42:33 STAFF WILL NOW.THE CASE TO YOU.
18:42:36 >>ERIC COTTON: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
18:42:38 AS SUSAN JUST SAID, THIS IS A CONTINUED -- LET ME SCOOP
18:42:42 THAT UP A LITTLE BIT -- A CONTINUED CASE FROM ABOUT A
18:42:45 MONTH AGO.
18:42:46 IT'S A SPECIAL USE 1 FOR A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE IN
18:42:50 CI ZONING.
18:42:51 THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 2411 EAST MINNEHAHA STREET,
18:42:56 PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ON THE MAP.
18:43:00 MINNEHAHA DEAD-ENDS AT THE STREET.
18:43:02 THIS IS 24th.
18:43:03 THIS IS EAST SLIGH.
18:43:07 THE REQUEST WAS FOR AGAIN MULTIFAMILY IN A CI ZONING
18:43:10 DISTRICT.
18:43:11 THERE'S TWO CRITERIA.
18:43:12 ONE, THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE 24 STANDARDS WHICH PER THE
18:43:17 SITE PLAN IT DOES.
18:43:19 THE OTHER CRITERIA HAS TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ONTO AN
18:43:23 ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD.
18:43:27 THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE THAT.
18:43:29 SO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE WEIGHED TO DENY THE REQUEST
18:43:32 BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE CORRECT ACCESS.
18:43:34 DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
18:43:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN AT
18:43:37 THIS TIME?
18:43:41 NO, SIR.
18:43:43 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:43:44 NEXT UP.
18:43:47 APPLICANT, PLEASE.
18:43:48 >> GOOD EVENING.
18:43:56 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SWENSON GROUP.
18:43:59 I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO DO A FULL INITIAL
18:44:04 PRESENTATION.
18:44:05 WE HAVE SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT MAY SHED GREATER LATE
18:44:11 ON OUR APPLICATION.
18:44:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT FROM
18:44:15 ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
18:44:18 HEARING NONE, GO AHEAD, SIR.
18:44:20 >>DAVID MECHANIK: THANK YOU.
18:44:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE ANOTHER GENTS.
18:44:25 YES, SIR?
18:44:26 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:44:28 I ATTEMPTED TO GET A ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION BEFOREHAND,
18:44:31 BUT IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION, IT ADOPTED COME UP TOO OFTEN,
18:44:34 BUT THIS APPLICANT ALREADY MADE THEIR INITIAL
18:44:36 PRESENTATION AT THE LAST HEARING.
18:44:38 THEY RESERVED TIME FOR REBUTTAL, AND PURSUANT TO THE
18:44:42 SUGGESTION OF THE COUNCIL, THEY CONTINUED THE HEARING TO
18:44:45 BE MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:44:47 I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING IN THE MOTION OR THE REQUEST OF
18:44:50 THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME TO EXPAND THEIR INITIAL
18:44:54 PRESENTATION.
18:44:56 AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
18:44:58 THERE'S ABOUT 30, 40, 50 ATTENDING SITTING IN THE HALL
18:45:02 TODAY.
18:45:03 YOU HAVE ANNUL ROOM OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK, AND
18:45:07 MANY OF THESE PEOPLE, IT'S THEIR FIRST TIME AT A CITY
18:45:10 COUNCIL HEARING, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU FOLLOW THE
18:45:13 LAW AND FOLLOW THE RULES.
18:45:14 THEY FINISHED THEIR INITIAL PRESENTATION.
18:45:16 THEY RESERVED REBUTTAL.
18:45:18 AND WHETHER THEY HAVE NEW INFORMATION OR NOT IS
18:45:19 IRRELEVANT.
18:45:20 BUT THE LAW SAYS, YOUR PROCESS SAYS, THAT THE HEARING
18:45:25 SHIFTS TO THE OTHER SIDE, OTHERS WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, AND
18:45:28 THEN THEY CAN COME BACK AND SPEAK REBUTTAL.
18:45:30 HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I RECOMMEND COUNCIL
18:45:32 DO, AND I WILL LODGE THAT AS AN OBJECTION AS WE GO
18:45:35 FORWARD.
18:45:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN
18:45:41 GUDES.
18:45:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, IF I CAN JUST FOR THE PURPOSE
18:45:47 OF THE RECORD, THIS IS CONTINUED FROM WHAT DATE, MADAM
18:45:55 CLERK?
18:45:57 >> DECEMBER 20.
18:46:00 >> DECEMBER 10th.
18:46:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DECEMBER 10th.
18:46:03 SO COUNCIL, IT'S MY INTERPRETATION THAT YOU HAVE -- AND I
18:46:14 SHARED THAT WITH MR. SCHIFF -- THAT IT'S NOT WHERE
18:46:19 SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IS A SPEAKER AND SPEAKS FOR
18:46:22 THREE MINUTES AND THEN COMES BACK TO CONTINUED PUBLIC
18:46:27 HEARING AND WANTS ANOTHER'S THREE MINUTES.
18:46:29 THIS IS THE PETITIONER.
18:46:30 THE PETITIONER DOES HAVE THE BURDEN.
18:46:31 THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME PASSED BETWEEN
18:46:34 THE TIME COUNCIL INITIALLY HEARD THE FACTS UPON WHICH
18:46:36 THEY MUST BASE THEIR DETERMINATION FROM THE PETITIONER,
18:46:39 AND TONIGHT.
18:46:41 ALSO, I JUST WOULD ALSO POINT OUT, COUNCIL, THAT THIS
18:46:45 CONTINUANCE WAS INITIATED FROM COUNCIL, AND THE
18:46:52 PETITIONER DID AGREE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
18:46:56 SO, FRANKLY, COUNCIL, THE POSTURE IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT
18:47:01 TONIGHT THAN IN THE PAST.
18:47:02 SO IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, AND AGAIN WITH DUE PROCESS
18:47:06 IN MIND, CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR
18:47:10 THE FACTS AGAINST WHICH THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT
18:47:13 EVIDENCE, AND FACTS, AND ALSO FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE ITS
18:47:19 RECOLLECTION REFRESHED SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR AND THAT
18:47:21 ALL IS OUT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL AT WHICH TIME IT CAN
18:47:25 DELIBERATE.
18:47:27 SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT
18:47:29 DETERMINATION, WHETHER DUE PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE 15
18:47:34 MINUTES, MR. MECHANIK?
18:47:35 DO YOU INTEND TO USE YOUR FULL 15 MINUTES?
18:47:39 >>DAVID MECHANIK: PRETTY CLOSE TO IT, YES, SIR.
18:47:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY.
18:47:41 THAT BEING THE CASE, IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL BUT I
18:47:44 WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT SOMETIMES AN OUNCE OF PROCEDURE
18:47:51 IS WORTH A POUND OF LITIGATION.
18:47:52 SO MY SUGGESTION IS, THAT BEING SAID, I BELIEVE IT WOULD
18:47:57 BE APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW THIS HEARING TO CONTINUE BECAUSE
18:48:00 THE ENTIRE POSTURE MIGHT HAVE CHANGED AS A RESULT OF WHAT
18:48:03 COUNCIL'S PURPOSE IN ASKING FOR THE CONTINUANCE WAS, AND
18:48:07 IT WOULD GIVE A DIFFERENT, PERHAPS, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
18:48:10 PETITIONER TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE IN HIS INITIAL
18:48:14 DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF DOWNFALL.
18:48:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALLOW
18:48:20 MR. MECHANIK TO MAKE HIS PRESENTATION?
18:48:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL BUT
18:48:24 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT.
18:48:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
18:48:31 ANY OBJECTION?
18:48:32 ANY SUGGESTIONS?
18:48:33 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
18:48:34 >>LUIS VIERA: YEAH, I MEAN, I FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF
18:48:39 COUNSEL ON THIS ISSUE.
18:48:40 WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE
18:48:43 EVERYBODY COMING HERE.
18:48:44 WE HAVE A PANDEMIC, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING
18:48:47 HERE, 110%.
18:48:49 BUT THIS IS AN INFORMATION GATHERING SESSION.
18:48:52 IT'S BEEN ROUGHLY A MONTH SINCE WE LAST HEARD THIS, AND I
18:48:58 THINK A REFRESHER AND AN UPDATE IS CERTAINLY WORTHWHILE.
18:49:03 I SEE WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
18:49:05 I SEE NO REASON NOT TO.
18:49:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR THE
18:49:10 PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, MR. SCHIFF, I BELIEVE, REPRESENTS
18:49:12 SOMEBODY, APPEARING ON THEIR BEHALF, AND HIS OBJECTION IS
18:49:17 NOTED FOR THE RECORD.
18:49:17 >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
18:49:19 WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO CHAIR AND COUNCIL KNOWS, WE
18:49:24 HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE APPLICANT PRESENTING THEIR CASE
18:49:26 AND RECAPPING WHAT THEY DID.
18:49:27 WHAT WE WOULD OBJECT TO, WHAT THIS CAN LEAD TO, IS AN
18:49:30 ACTUAL REBUTTAL AS A PRESENTATION THAT THEY DON'T MEET
18:49:34 AND THEN YOU HEAR A BUNCH OF HEARSAY.
18:49:37 AND THAT TO ME IS WRONG.
18:49:38 AND SO I WOULD JUST CAUTION THAT IF THIS PRESENTATION
18:49:42 BECOMES A BUNCH OF HEARSAY AND SAYING SOMEBODY SAID
18:49:46 SOMETHING, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
18:49:48 AND I WOULD CERTAINLY OBJECT TO THAT AS WELL FOR THE
18:49:50 RECORD.
18:49:51 BUT I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO MY OBJECTION.
18:49:53 THANK YOU.
18:49:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:49:55 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
18:49:58 FOR MR. SHELBY.
18:49:59 CAN WE DIRECT THE APPLICANT TO NOT SPEAK IN A
18:50:04 PARTICULAR -- IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE ALLOW THE APPLICANT
18:50:06 TO SPEAK, IT IS IN THEIR DISCRETION TO SAY WHAT THEY ARE
18:50:09 GOING TO SAY, CORRECT?
18:50:10 AND WE CAN WEIGH THE EVIDENCE AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO,
18:50:13 CORRECT?
18:50:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ABSOLUTELY.
18:50:16 I WOULD SAY TO THE APPLICANT, WITH REGARD TO THE PEOPLE
18:50:18 WHO ARE HERE TO SPEAK, THAT IF THEY ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN
18:50:23 THE SUBJECT MATTER, THEIR OPINION IS NOT COMPETENT,
18:50:26 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON WHICH TO BASE YOUR DECISION ON
18:50:30 WHAT YOU HEAR, THE FACTS THAT GO TO THE CODE AND GENERAL
18:50:36 STANDARDS AND CRITERIA FOR GRANTING THIS.
18:50:39 AND YOUR DECISION, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO YOU HEAR IT FROM,
18:50:44 MUST BE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:50:46 AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, COUNCILMAN
18:50:49 VIERA, TO WEIGH THAT.
18:50:50 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
18:50:51 THANK YOU.
18:50:51 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE FEELS DIFFERENT ON COUNCIL.
18:50:54 JUST MY THOUGHTS.
18:50:55 THANK YOU.
18:51:04 MR. MECHANIK.
18:51:04 GO AHEAD.
18:51:06 >>DAVID MECHANIK: I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SWENSON
18:51:08 GROUP.
18:51:08 WE ARE PREPARING A 3 STORY 120-UNIT MULTIFAMILY PROJECT,
18:51:16 THAT I THINK ADEQUATELY DESCRIBES THAT.
18:51:18 AT OUR LAST HEARING, COUNCIL ASKED US TO MEET WITH THE
18:51:22 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND MR. HEDGES, AND I DO THINK THIS IS
18:51:26 RELEVANT, WHEN YOU LEARN THINGS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
18:51:31 YOU WANT TO ARTICULATE HOW YOU MAY WISH TO RESPOND TO
18:51:35 THEM.
18:51:36 SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE MR. HEDGES TO COME UP AND
18:51:39 DESCRIBE THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH IN MEETING WITH THE
18:51:43 NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:51:43 >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:52:09 I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, FOLLOWING
18:52:12 YOUR INSTRUCTIONS, AND SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE DONE
18:52:16 EARLY ON.
18:52:18 WE DID MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
18:52:19 WE HAD TWO MEETINGS.
18:52:20 ONE WAS VIRTUAL.
18:52:22 AND ONE WAS IN PERSON.
18:52:25 WE HAD 15 PEOPLE AT THE FIRST ONE, AND 12, I BELIEVE, AT
18:52:28 THE SECOND ONE.
18:52:32 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY LEARNED ABOUT IN
18:52:36 THE LAST SIX MONTHS, AND THAT IS THAT THE STRENGTH AND
18:52:40 THE DIVERSITY OF THEIR COMMUNITY IS WHAT BUILD THEIR
18:52:45 COMMUNITY, OUR STATE, AND OUR COUNTRY.
18:52:49 THAT IS WHY WE HAVE NOW MADE THIS A WORKFORCE
18:52:56 DEVELOPMENT.
18:53:00 A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE THINK LOW INCOME WHEN YOU HEAR
18:53:03 WORKFORCE.
18:53:04 THIS PRODUCT IS BEING DEVELOPED FOR AS MUCH MARKET RATE,
18:53:10 THERE WILL BE SOME LOWER INCOME, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN
18:53:13 THEY ARE LOW PEOPLE.
18:53:15 SO WITH THAT STATED, WE HAVE LOOKED AT -- WE HAVE
18:53:23 REALIZED THAT COMING UP SHORTLY WILL BE A CHANGE IN THE
18:53:27 CODE WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE
18:53:32 ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW IS USING A COMMUNITY FEEDER --
18:53:40 UM, YES.
18:53:43 ARTERIAL STREET.
18:53:45 SORRY ABOUT THAT.
18:53:46 ARTERIAL STREET, ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA,
18:53:51 APARTMENT COMMUNITIES LEADING TO A COMMUNITY STREET.
18:53:56 NOT ALL BUT MANY.
18:53:57 AND HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO GET A
18:54:03 COMMUNITY STREET ENTRANCE.
18:54:05 THIS BY NO MEANS IS A LOW-INCOME PRODUCT.
18:54:13 HIGHLY DECORATED INSIDE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK
18:54:16 CONFUSES COMMUNITIES AND STAFF, WHEN YOU ARE GOING FOR
18:54:23 LOCAL OR STATE BOND MONEY, YOU USE THE TERM "LOW INCOME"
18:54:30 WHICH GRANTS YOU SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS.
18:54:32 WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR MONEY FROM THE CITY, THE COUNTY OR
18:54:36 THE STATE.
18:54:37 THE GROUP THAT IS INVESTING IN THIS PROPERTY AND
18:54:40 INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT WE
18:54:43 ARE ALL PROUD OF.
18:54:47 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE LAND
18:54:52 COSTS IN TAMPA AND OUR STATE IS GOING UP DRAMATICALLY.
18:54:58 IF WE DON'T START BUILDING AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING
18:55:04 TODAY, THROUGHOUT THIS CITY, THROUGHOUT THIS CITY, WE ARE
18:55:09 SO FAR BEHIND THAT WE NEED TO MOVE AGGRESSIVELY.
18:55:16 AND I AGREE, WE SHOULD BE SENSITIVE TO OUR COMMUNITIES,
18:55:21 BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE THOUSANDS OF
18:55:24 PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING INFORM AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR
18:55:30 COMMUNITY AND IN OUR STATE.
18:55:31 I DON'T WANTS US TO THINK THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE USED THE
18:55:38 TERM IN THE PAST "LOW INCOME" IS NOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
18:55:42 I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
18:55:44 I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR VOTE.
18:55:52 >>DAVID MECHANIK: DAVID MECHANIK AGAIN.
18:55:53 I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, WE DID HOLD
18:55:55 TWO MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE ON JANUARY
18:55:58 6th AND IN PERSON MEETING, AND ONE ON JANUARY
18:56:02 14th, WHICH WAS A ZOOM MEETING.
18:56:07 I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CRITERIA FOR A SPECIAL USE
18:56:10 APPROVAL UNDER 27-129 AND 27-132.
18:56:16 I'LL ADDRESS THE TECHNICAL ISSUES FIRST.
18:56:19 THE SITE PLAN CONTAINS COMMITMENTS TO ADHERE TO ALL CITY
18:56:23 CODE AND TECHNICAL STANDARDS FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS,
18:56:28 PARKING, SOLID WASTE, LIGHTING, UTILITIES, AND DRAINAGE.
18:56:33 THESE ARE ALL NOTES THAT ARE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS
18:56:36 PART OF YOUR BACKUP THIS EVENING.
18:56:39 TRAFFIC IMPACTS WILL BE ADDRESSED BY MICHAEL YATES IN A
18:56:43 FEW MINUTES.
18:56:44 MR. YATES WILL ALSO DISCUSS HOW THE PROJECT IS LESS
18:56:48 INTENSIVE THAN OTHER USES THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE
18:56:51 PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY CITY COUNCIL APPROVALS.
18:56:57 THE PROJECT WILL ENSURE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND
18:57:00 WELFARE BY ITS ADHERENCE TO BE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND
18:57:03 IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND COMPATIBLE
18:57:07 WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
18:57:09 REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING, YOU COULD
18:57:13 SEE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON YOUR SCREEN INDICATES THAT
18:57:18 TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM SLIGH
18:57:22 TO HANNA IS DESIGNATED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35, WHICH
18:57:28 ALLOWS ALL KINDS OF INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES, INCLUDING
18:57:33 MULTIFAMILY UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.
18:57:38 TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED R-10 -- I'M
18:57:43 SORRY, TO THE WEST IS DESIGNATED R-10, AND TO THE EAST IS
18:57:50 R-35, A MULTIFAMILY CLASSIFICATION.
18:57:55 THE SITE IS ZONED C-1 -- I'M SORRY, CI, AGAIN, A
18:58:01 COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND THE ZONING TO THE NORTH AND
18:58:05 SOUTH IS ALL COMMERCIAL.
18:58:07 IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
18:58:08 THERE IS MULTIFAMILY TO THE EAST AND SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE
18:58:13 WEST.
18:58:14 THE USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA ARE TECO FACILITY, THREE
18:58:19 AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOPS, AND A PRINTING FACILITY, ALL IN
18:58:23 THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT.
18:58:26 THE EXISTING USES IN THE AREA ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE
18:58:30 PREDOMINANT COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY ZONING IN THE
18:58:33 AREA.
18:58:34 AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT OUR PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE
18:58:37 WITH THE AREA.
18:58:39 AND IN FACT IS MUCH LESS INTENSIVE THAN WHAT COULD BE PUT
18:58:43 THERE SUCH AS A GROCERY STORE OR MORE AUTOMOTIVE SHOPS.
18:58:49 WE REFER YOU TO THE STAFF REPORT ERIC MENTIONED WHERE THE
18:58:54 ONLY BASIS FOR HIS DENIAL OF OUR SPECIAL USE IS THE FACT
18:58:59 WE ARE NOT LOCATED ON AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD.
18:59:06 AND I WOULD LIKE MR. YATES TO SPEAK TO NOT ONLY THE
18:59:12 TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT BUT ALSO THE
18:59:17 COMPARISON OF OTHER USES WHICH COULD BE PUT ON THIS
18:59:20 PROPERTY WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
18:59:25 I WILL INTRODUCE MR. YATES' RESUMÉ FOR THE RECORD.
18:59:28 >> MICHAEL YATES WITH PALM TRAFFIC AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
18:59:54 WE PREPARED THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS THAT WAS
18:59:56 SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION, BUT WANTED TO GO INTO A
19:00:00 LITTLE MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PROJECT BASED ON
19:00:04 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
19:00:05 WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE TRIP GENERATION
19:00:08 FOR THE SITE, THE 20 UNITS WOULD GENERATE 41 A.M. PEAK
19:00:13 HOUR TRIPS AND 53 P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
19:00:18 THE SECOND INFORMATION I WANTED TO GIVE IS WHAT
19:00:22 MR. MECHANIK HAD REFERENCED.
19:00:26 THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY WOULD GENERATE THE 53 P.M. PEAK
19:00:31 HOUR TRIPS BUT ALLOWED UNDER THE CI ZONING YOU COULD DO
19:00:34 SUCH USES AS A SHOPPING CENTER, MEDICAL OFFICE, OR A
19:00:38 SUPERMARKET.
19:00:40 AND WE JUST USED A .23 F.A.R., SO THAT GAVE US A 58,900
19:00:48 SQUARE FOOT USE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SHOPPING CENTER IS
19:00:51 367.
19:00:54 MEDICAL OFFICE IS 202.
19:00:56 AND A SUPERMARKET IS 527 PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
19:01:00 SO SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, ABOUT 10% OF THE SUPERMARKET.
19:01:08 THE NEXT SLIDE IS WHEN WE MET WITH THE RESIDENTS, ONE OF
19:01:11 THE CONCERNS WE GOT WAS TRAFFIC ON 24th.
19:01:15 AND OBVIOUSLY 24th BEING A LOCAL STREET, IT REALLY
19:01:19 WASN'T THE FOCUS OF THE TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS, BUT
19:01:22 GIVEN THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED, WE WANTED TO ADDRESS THE
19:01:25 TRAFFIC CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD.
19:01:28 AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE DID DISCOUNTS ON 24th.
19:01:33 WE ADJUSTED THEM TO PEAK SEASON.
19:01:35 THEN WE ADJUSTED THEM FOR THE ADJUSTMENT FOR COVID,
19:01:40 BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN VOLUMES BECAUSE THE VOLUMES ARE
19:01:43 A LITTLE LOWER DURING THE COVID PERIOD, SO WE HAVE
19:01:46 ADJUSTED THOSE.
19:01:47 AND THEN WE ADDED OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC.
19:01:49 SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS BASICALLY THE AM AND P.M. PEAK
19:01:55 HOUR IS ABOUT HALF OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE C CAPACITY OF
19:02:00 THE ROADWAY.
19:02:01 SO SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW THE CAPACITY.
19:02:04 AND THAT'S FULL EXISTING FOR COVID, PEAK SEASON, AND OUR
19:02:09 PROJECT INCLUDED TO THAT.
19:02:13 THE NEXT ONE I WANTED TO GO OVER IS --
19:02:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THAT
19:02:19 ISSUE?
19:02:19 IT SEEMS TO BE THE BIG ISSUE.
19:02:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
19:02:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
19:02:22 CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE?
19:02:24 SO WITHOUT ADJUSTMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU SAID
19:02:29 YOU WENT OUT AND MEASURED.
19:02:30 >> WE DID TRAFFIC COUNTS OUT THERE, YES.
19:02:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PUT THE RUBBER THING ACROSS?
19:02:35 >> WE DID SORT OF MOVEMENT COUNTS BUT SAME THING.
19:02:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHAT SORT OF NUMBERS ARE WE
19:02:41 TALKING ABOUT THAT EXIST TODAY AS COMPARED TO THE
19:02:47 PROJECTED NUMBERS WITH THE UNITS THAT YOUR CLIENT IS
19:02:52 PROPOSING?
19:02:53 >> YES, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THE COLORS HERE, SO THE
19:02:57 EXISTING COUNT THAT WE GOT, I'LL RUN THROUGH AM PEAK
19:03:02 HOUR.
19:03:02 THEY ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SAME.
19:03:03 BUT AM PEAK HOUR WE HAD 137 AS THE EXISTING COUNT.
19:03:08 SO THAT'S WHAT WE COUNTED ON DECEMBER 15th.
19:03:11 WE HAVE A SEASONAL ADJUSTMENT OF 1.07.
19:03:15 SO WHAT D.O.T. DOES IS THEY DO CONTINUOUS COUNTS
19:03:20 THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, SO THEY DEVELOP A TABLE THAT ADJUSTS
19:03:23 THE VOLUME EVERY WEEK AND GIVE YOU AN ADJUSTMENT OF PEAK
19:03:28 SEASON.
19:03:29 SO THAT'S WHAT WE USE.
19:03:30 SO WE ADJUSTED THE DECEMBER 15th.
19:03:32 IT'S A 1.07 ADJUSTMENT FACTOR SO THAT GIVES US A PEAK
19:03:36 SEASON TRAFFIC.
19:03:37 AND THEN WE HAD A COVID ADJUSTMENT FACTOR OF 1.7.
19:03:41 SO OBVIOUSLY LOWER IN THIS AREA, SO THAT WAS BASED ON A
19:03:48 COUNT ON 20-SECOND SLIDE THAT WE HAD FROM PREVIOUS YEARS
19:03:54 BEFORE COVID, AND SO WE DID THE SAME KIND OF ADJUSTMENT,
19:03:57 GOT THAT ADJUSTMENT FACTOR. SO WHAT THAT WAS IN OUR
19:04:01 COUNT IN 2020 TO A PREVIOUS COUNT WITHOUT COVID.
19:04:06 AND SO THEN WE ADDED THAT ADJUSTMENT FACTOR. SO THAT GOT
19:04:09 US OUT TO A 249 BACKGROUND NUMBER.
19:04:13 SO EXISTING TRAFFIC WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS, AND THEN WE ARE
19:04:16 ADDING 41 TRIPS TO THAT.
19:04:19 SO IT GETS YOU TO 290.
19:04:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU ARE SAYING HOW MANY UNITS ARE
19:04:25 BEING PROPOSED?
19:04:26 >> IT IS 120 UNITS.
19:04:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND HOW MANY -- SO HOW MANY TRIPS --
19:04:35 I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER AM OR P.M., HOW MANY TRIPS, 100
19:04:38 SOMETHING UNITS?
19:04:40 >> 41 IN THE MORNING AND 53 IN THE AFTERNOON.
19:04:45 SO THAT IS -- LET ME EXPLAIN WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
19:04:48 SO THAT IS BASICALLY -- SO THIS NUMBER COMES FROM ITE,
19:04:53 WHICH ITE TRIP GENERATION, INSTITUTE TRANSPORTATION
19:04:57 ENGINEERS, THEY KEEP THIS MANUAL, THEY ARE UP TO THE
19:05:01 10th EDITION, IT GOES THROUGH AND DOES STUDIES ACROSS
19:05:03 THE COUNTRY, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THEY DO IT BY NUMBER OF
19:05:08 FLOORS NOW WITH THE 10th EDITION, BUT THEY HAVE
19:05:11 HISTORICAL DATA GOING BACK 20 YEARS SO IT'S A STRONG LAND
19:05:15 USE CATEGORY, AND SO THIS IS ONE HOUR OF THE DAY DURING
19:05:21 THIS TIME PERIOD. SO ONE HOUR BETWEEN 7 AND 9.
19:05:24 SO NOT TO SAY THAT IF THIS WAS 7 TO 8, THERE COULD BE
19:05:30 ANOTHER 41 IN THE 8 TO 9.
19:05:34 AND THEN THEY VARY THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
19:05:37 BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM.
19:05:41 IT'S A VERY STRONG NUMBER.
19:05:42 THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORICAL DATA ON THIS.
19:05:45 IT'S A REALISTIC NUMBER.
19:05:48 I UNDERSTAND IT SEEMS LOW FOR 120 UNITS.
19:05:51 BUT IT GETS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
19:05:53 SO IT'S NOT ALL AT ONE HOUR IN THE MORNING.
19:05:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I HAVEN'T TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AT
19:06:01 THE MAP, BUT ISN'T THIS SORT OF A CLOSED-OFF STREET AS IT
19:06:05 EXISTS TODAY?
19:06:06 >> YES, SO 24th RUNS JUST BETWEEN SLIGH AND HANNA.
19:06:11 AND IT'S PARALLEL TO 22ND.
19:06:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THERE'S 137 TRIPS IN ONE
19:06:19 PARTICULAR HOUR.
19:06:22 >> ON THAT STREET.
19:06:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON THAT STREET.
19:06:24 AND YOU ARE SAYING THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL
19:06:26 41 FOR 120 MORE UNITS?
19:06:29 >> CORRECT, IN THAT ONE PEAK HOUR, YES.
19:06:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
19:06:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR GUDES GOO SOMETIMES WE CAN
19:06:38 GET STATISTICAL DATA SOMETIMES, IS NOTE REALISTIC
19:06:43 SOMETIMES IN ACTUAL EVERYDAY LIVE.
19:06:46 AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON TRAFFIC BUT
19:06:51 I'M AN EXPERT IN THAT WHOLE AREA.
19:06:53 AND WHEN ANYTHING HAPPENS ON SLIGH AVENUE OR HANNA, IT'S
19:06:57 ALWAYS A DETOUR.
19:06:59 DETOUR GOES TO 24th STREET.
19:07:03 SOMETHING HAPPENS ON 22ND STREET, DETOUR WILL REROUTE UP
19:07:07 THE SIDE OF 24th STREET.
19:07:09 SO I RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
19:07:12 I RESPECT YOUR DATA.
19:07:13 BUT YOUR DATA IS NOT IN ACTUAL REALITY TIMES EVERYDAY
19:07:18 LIVING IN THAT COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I KNOW THE PATTERN OF
19:07:21 THAT COMMUNITY.
19:07:23 THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A GROCERY STORE OR A SHOPPING
19:07:27 CENTER EVER IN THAT SPOT.
19:07:29 THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
19:07:31 I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
19:07:33 SO I SEE YOU PUT THAT OWN YOUR MAP, AS A DATA POINT, OF A
19:07:39 GROCERY STORE AND A SUPERMARKET, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW,
19:07:42 I KNOW FOR A FACT WHERE THAT PEACE OF PROPERTY IS, THAT
19:07:45 THAT COULDN'T BE.
19:07:46 SO I WANTED MR. DINGFELDER KNOW, I KNOW THE TRAFFIC
19:07:49 PATTERN THERE SIR, AND YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM, YOU WILL
19:07:51 SEE THAT.
19:07:52 BUT I WANTED TO PUT THE ACTUAL SITUATION OF DETOURS,
19:07:55 BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES SLIGH, BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD
19:07:59 TRACK THERE, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN CHANGES A LOT SOMETIMES.
19:08:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
19:08:07 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
19:08:09 JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD.
19:08:10 I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN GUDES' FAMILIARITY AND HIS DESIRE
19:08:15 TO GET THE FACTS TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
19:08:19 THE RELEVANT FACTS.
19:08:21 I AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT
19:08:28 I APPRECIATE -- AND WHILE WE ALL APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN
19:08:31 GUDES' PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THE FACT THAT BY PUTTING IT
19:08:37 INTO EVIDENCE IS TO ACTUALLY TESTIFY TO IT.
19:08:39 SO IF YOU RELY ON THAT, COUNCIL, THEN YOU ARE RELYING ON
19:08:45 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT WASN'T PRODUCED AT
19:08:48 THE HEARING BUT FROM SOMEBODY ON THE CITY COUNCIL.
19:08:51 SO NOT TO SAY -- NOT TO SAY THAT THOSE FACTS AREN'T
19:08:56 RELEVANT, BUT WHAT I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO IS HAVING
19:08:58 THE KNOWLEDGE IN YOUR MIND, COUNCILMAN GUDES, OF PERHAPS
19:09:02 YOUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE YOU DO LIVE IN THIS
19:09:04 CITY, YOU ARE ELECTED BY THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW THE AREA,
19:09:10 USE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY BUT WHEN PEOPLE GET UP THERE
19:09:13 WHO MAY BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GIVE YOU TESTIMONY TO THAT,
19:09:17 AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS TO SORT OF
19:09:21 LIKE JEOPARDY, RAISE THE QUESTION AND ELICIT THAT
19:09:26 TESTIMONY FROM WHATEVER WITNESS THAT COMES UP THERE THAT
19:09:28 MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION IN THE FORM OF
19:09:32 SWORN TESTIMONY.
19:09:33 SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL LET THE HEARING CONTINUE.
19:09:37 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A
19:09:39 VERY IMPORTANT POINT OF HOW TO GET THIS INFORMATION
19:09:42 BEFORE YOU.
19:09:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:09:46 YES, SIR, CONTINUE.
19:09:47 >> DID I FULLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS?
19:09:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD FOR NOW.
19:09:55 THANK YOU.
19:09:55 >> OKAY.
19:09:56 THE OTHER COMMENT WE RECEIVED WAS RELATIVE TO THE
19:10:00 DRIVEWAY ALIGNMENT, AND THE POTENTIAL OF LIGHT SHINING
19:10:08 INTO THE RESIDENCES ON THE WEST SIDE.
19:10:12 SO WHAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT WAS MOVING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE
19:10:18 NORTH TO ALIGN WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY DRIVEWAY THAT IS
19:10:22 THERE.
19:10:23 SO THE EXIT LANE OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY DRIVEWAY WOULD
19:10:28 ALIGN WITH OUR EXIT LANE WOULD ALIGN WITH THE
19:10:31 SINGLE-FAMILY DRIVEWAY.
19:10:32 AND THEN WHAT WE ALSO RECOMMENDED WAS PUTTING ADDITIONAL
19:10:37 LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG 24th ON EITHER SIDE, AND THEN
19:10:43 ON THE INTERIOR ISLAND, SO WHAT THIS WILL DO IS THIS WILL
19:10:47 REDUCE ANY OF THE GLARE COMING FROM HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE
19:10:51 TRAVELING WITHIN THE PROJECT OR COMING OUT OF THE
19:10:54 PROJECT.
19:10:55 TO THE EXTENT NOT TO INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS
19:10:58 THE STREET.
19:11:03 AND THEN THE LAST COMMENT WE RECEIVED WAS ABOUT SOME OF
19:11:08 THE PAVEMENT OUT THERE.
19:11:12 SO WHAT WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT, IT'S ABOUT 20 FEET OF
19:11:16 PAVEMENT FOR MOST ALL OF THIS ROADWAY.
19:11:20 IT'S IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.
19:11:22 IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN RESURFACED IN THE NOT TOO FAR
19:11:27 DISTANT FUTURE, AND SO IT'S IN GREAT CONDITION.
19:11:30 IT'S 20 FEET.
19:11:31 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FLORIDA GREEN BOOK FOR A LOCAL
19:11:34 STREET, THEY ALLOW FOR TEN-FOOT LANES.
19:11:37 THAT IS THEIR RECOMMENDED LANE WIDTH.
19:11:39 AND THEN THEY EVEN ALLOW FOR AND CONSTRAIN RIGHT-OF-WAY
19:11:43 CONDITIONS UP TO 9-FOOT LANES.
19:11:45 SO 18 FEET OF PAVEMENT.
19:11:47 SO WE ARE WITHIN THE FLORIDA GREEN BOOK STANDARDS OUT
19:11:49 THERE FOR PAVEMENT WIDTH.
19:11:54 ONE OF THE LAST COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WAS THAT THERE
19:11:57 WAS NO SIDEWALKS ALONG 24th.
19:12:02 AND, YOU KNOW, I MET WITH THIS PROJECT.
19:12:04 WE WILL HAVE TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY FEES ASSOCIATED WITH
19:12:09 THIS IN ADDITION TO OUR CROP SHARE PAVEMENT SO THAT
19:12:14 TOTALS $91,000.
19:12:16 IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF A SIDEWALK IS PER CITY, THE
19:12:22 NUMBER THE CITY USES IS ABOUT $29 A LINEAR FOOT.
19:12:25 OUR FEES COULD GENERATE ABOUT 3,000 LINEAR FEET OF
19:12:29 SIDEWALK, SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN SLIGH AND HANNA IS 2600
19:12:37 FEET.
19:12:37 SO WITH THE FEES THAT WE ARE PAYING, THERE DEFINITELY IS
19:12:41 A CHANCE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DIRECT THOSE FUNDS TO BE
19:12:45 SPENT ON SIDEWALKS THAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED THE ENTIRE
19:12:49 LENGTH OF 24th.
19:12:50 THAT WAS ALL THE INFORMATION I HAD AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO
19:12:54 ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
19:12:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:13:00 MR. MECHANIK?
19:13:05 ALSO, THE ELECTRIC TURNS ARE BOTH ACTIVATED SO WHEN ONE
19:13:08 IS BEING SANITIZED YOU CAN USE THE OTHER AND VICE VERSA.
19:13:12 >>DAVID MECHANIK: I JUST FIGURED THAT OUT.
19:13:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:13:15 DAVID MECHANIK AGAIN FOR THE RECORD.
19:13:16 JUST VERY BRIEFLY TO WRAP UP, I WOULD JUST SIMPLY LIKE TO
19:13:20 POINT OUT THAT MR. YATES, WHO HAS DONE, I AM GOING TO
19:13:27 GUESS, HUNDREDS OF TRAFFIC STUDIES, HAS USED A TRIED AND
19:13:31 TRUE METHOD THAT IS ACCEPTED BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
19:13:35 EVERYWHERE, AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT HE'S TELLING YOU IS
19:13:40 THE MOST RELIABLE SOURCE OF THAT INFORMATION.
19:13:45 AND I ALSO CLEARLY RESPECT THE POINT THAT IT MAY NOT BE
19:13:49 LIKELY THAT A SUPERMARKET WOULD GO ON THIS PROPERTY
19:13:53 BECAUSE OF THE MARKET AND SO FORTH, BUT NEVERTHELESS,
19:13:58 YOUR CODE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS A SUPERMARKET ON THAT SITE
19:14:03 WITHOUT HAVING TO APPEAR BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, AND THEY
19:14:09 COULD GO AND PULL A BUILDING PERMIT TOMORROW ASSUMING
19:14:12 THEY HAD PLANS FOR THAT, WHEREAS AN APARTMENT WHICH
19:14:19 PRODUCES ALMOST 10% OF THE TRAFFIC OF A GROCERY STORE HAS
19:14:25 TO COME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD TO GET AN APPROVAL.
19:14:30 I MEAN, I RESPECTFULLY WANT TO SUGGEST THERE'S A FLAW IN
19:14:35 THE CITY CODE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAFF IS
19:14:38 ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THAT.
19:14:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:14:46 ALL RIGHT.
19:14:47 WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
19:14:56 I BELIEVE WE HAVE A NUMBERED SYSTEM WHO HAVE TO SPEAK, SO
19:14:59 IF YOU ARE SPEAKER NUMBER 1, PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN,
19:15:03 STATE YOUR NAME.
19:15:03 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
19:15:04 >> DON SWENSON.
19:15:11 I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE MINE FOR THE END IF POSSIBLE AS A
19:15:14 REBUTTAL.
19:15:14 >> YOU MEAN AFTER EVERYBODY SPEAKS, AFTER THE GENERAL
19:15:18 PUBLIC?
19:15:19 >> I'M PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP.
19:15:22 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE REBUTTAL SIDE.
19:15:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE'S WITH YOU, MR. MECHANIK?
19:15:27 SO WITHIN THAT FIVE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ALL HAVE,
19:15:30 YOU HAVE TO SQUEEZE IT IN THERE.
19:15:31 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:15:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE
19:15:36 SIMILARLY SITUATED WHO WOULD BE PART OF REBUTTAL?
19:15:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU ARE WITH DAVE
19:15:42 MECHANIK.
19:15:43 ONE, TWO, THREE.
19:15:44 SO I KNOW WHO IS PART OF THE -- VERY GOOD.
19:15:47 FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, NOT PETITIONERS, NOT APPLICANTS,
19:15:50 ALL THAT STUFF, WHOEVER HAS THE LOWEST NUMBER.
19:15:55 WE GO IN NUMBER ORDER.
19:15:58 NUMBER 2.
19:16:05 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
19:16:06 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
19:16:08 >> OH, GREAT.
19:16:09 THANK YOU.
19:16:10 GOOD AFTERNOON.
19:16:11 GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN.
19:16:13 MY NAME IS ESTER COOLEY AND I SENT IN AN E-MAIL PRIOR TO
19:16:20 THE PREVIOUS POSTPONED HEARING.
19:16:25 SO MY NAME IS ESTER COOLEY AS I SAID SO YOU ALREADY KNOW
19:16:32 MY CONCERNS.
19:16:33 AND I FEEL THAT MOST OF THE RESIDENTS REALLY DON'T CARE
19:16:39 HOW BEAUTIFUL THE APARTMENT IS, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND
19:16:43 OF PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE
19:16:46 POINT.
19:16:47 THE POINT IS, WE HAVE EPIPHANY OF OUR LORD, EPIPHANY ARMS
19:16:56 ON THE CORNER OF HANNA AND 24th.
19:16:59 ACROSS THE STREET FROM EPIPHANY ARMS IS HANNA OAKS.
19:17:04 TWO BLOCKS, WELL, ONE BLOCK DOWN AND TWO BLOCKS OVER IS
19:17:09 SLIGH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND FOSTER.
19:17:12 THEN A FEW LEFTS DOWN THE STREET GOING SOUTH IS GRACE
19:17:19 POINT.
19:17:21 YOU ALL KNOW WHAT GRACE POINT IS.
19:17:23 YOU KNOW THAT IT'S, WHAT, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WE HAVE
19:17:27 TEENAGERS AT SLIGH, WE HAVE THE ELDERLY, A LOT OF THEM,
19:17:32 IN THE SCOOTERS COMING DOWN 24th, EVERY DAY, ALL
19:17:36 TIMES OF DAY AND NIGHT, GOING TO THE STORE.
19:17:39 MY MAIN CONCERN, AND THE CONCERN OF RESIDENTS, IT'S
19:17:45 SAFETY OF THESE PEOPLE.
19:17:46 ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE.
19:17:50 WHEN YOU ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, AND THEY SAY TRAFFIC,
19:17:53 TRAFFIC.
19:17:53 IT'S NOT JUST TRAFFIC.
19:17:54 IT'S PUTTING RESIDENTS AT RISK.
19:18:01 THEREBY, SO THEY ARE AFRAID TO VENTURE OUT, THEN YOU ARE
19:18:04 TAKING AWAY THEIR FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT.
19:18:08 MY HOUSE FACES, WELL, MY KITCHEN WINDOW FACES 24th,
19:18:13 AND I SEE THEM ALL DAY GOING BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW.
19:18:18 AND THEY NEED SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
19:18:22 IT'S NOT 120.
19:18:24 IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE 240, 260 CARS, YOU KNOW.
19:18:31 AND I UNDERSTAND STATISTICS AND ALL OF THAT.
19:18:35 BUT STATISTICS ARE ALWAYS REALITY.
19:18:38 YOU HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO KNOW.
19:18:40 I HAVE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 50 YEARS.
19:18:45 SOME WITH MY PARENTS AND THEN I BOUGHT A HOUSE THERE.
19:18:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, IF YOU COULD PULL THE
19:18:49 MICROPHONE DOWN SO THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU.
19:18:51 >> YOU CANNOT HEAR ME?
19:18:52 I THOUGHT I HAD A LOUD MOUTH, BUT OKAY.
19:18:55 SO BASICALLY WHAT I AM SAYING IS I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 50
19:18:57 YEARS.
19:18:58 THE STATISTICS THAT THEY HAVE ARE STATISTICS.
19:19:01 THEY ARE NOT REALITY.
19:19:02 THE REALITY IS, IT WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL AUTOMOBILES TO
19:19:07 THE TRAFFIC, WE HAVE TOO MANY AT-RISK PEOPLE IN THAT AREA
19:19:14 TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
19:19:16 IT'S ALREADY A CHALLENGE FOR THEM WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT
19:19:21 WE HAVE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE NUMBERS ON THE LITTLE
19:19:24 METER ARE ALSO WRONG, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, MY KITCHEN
19:19:27 WINDOW FACES 24th.
19:19:29 SO I SEE TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING.
19:19:31 ADDITIONALLY, FOOT TRAFFIC.
19:19:34 SO WE HAVE 7-ELEVEN.
19:19:37 WE HAVE FAMILY DOLLAR.
19:19:39 AND WE HAVE CHARLIE'S MARKET.
19:19:41 IF YOU EVER WALK INTO ONE OF THOSE PLACES, YOU ARE GOING
19:19:44 TO WAIT ABOUT 10, 15 MINUTES.
19:19:46 SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE LINE LONGER WITH AN
19:19:49 ADDITIONAL 240, 120 PEOPLE.
19:19:52 I MEAN, THAT CHANGES THOSE CONVENIENCE STORES INTO
19:19:57 INCONVENIENCE STORES.
19:19:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
19:20:02 ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER.
19:20:04 WHICH IS NUMBER 3.
19:20:06 IF YOU HAVE NUMBER 3, PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN.
19:20:12 YOU WERE NUMBER 3, OKAY.
19:20:13 NUMBER 4.
19:20:14 >> MY NAME IS COURTNEY OLIVERA.
19:20:26 I LIVE AT 6522 NORTH 24th STREET WHICH IS RIGHT WHERE
19:20:29 THEY PLAN ON PUTTING THE ENTRANCE/EXIT TO THEIR
19:20:32 APARTMENT.
19:20:32 I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THEY SAID 120 APARTMENTS OR
19:20:39 AREAS THAT THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR COMPLEX AT.
19:20:42 THEY TOLD US THE NIGHT THAT WE HAD OUR LITTLE MEETING
19:20:46 THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE 140 AND CAN GO UP TO 180.
19:20:51 THEY CAN ADD AN EXTRA STORY TO THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX.
19:20:54 AND WHENEVER I MENTIONED TO THEM, WELL, WHY THAT YOU HAVE
19:20:58 THE ENTRANCE/ENTRANCE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, THEY PULLED
19:21:03 OUT A GRAPH THAT SHOWED THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT IS AT THE
19:21:06 STOP SIGN RIGHT IN FRONT OF WHERE THEY HAVE ONE OF THE
19:21:08 AUTOMOBILE SHOPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS VACANT LAND.
19:21:12 AND THAT NIGHT THEY WERE PUTTING X'ES OVER WHERE EACH
19:21:15 HOUSE WAS, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY RUN UP AND DOWN
19:21:18 THAT ROAD AND SEE WHO LIVED THERE, SEE THE COMMUNITY.
19:21:21 AND I HONESTLY FOUND THAT A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE FOR
19:21:25 ME, BECAUSE YOU ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING APARTMENT
19:21:28 COMPLEXES UP IN A COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN
19:21:31 IN.
19:21:32 AND THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME.
19:21:33 I ACTUALLY JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MY
19:21:36 STEPDAUGHTER COME MOVE INTO THE HOUSE WITH ME FROM
19:21:39 CALIFORNIA, WHICH MEANS THE WORLD TO ME.
19:21:41 COMING FROM CALIFORNIA, SHE TOLD ME THAT LIKE WHAT ARE
19:21:44 ALL THESE LITTLE BIRDS AND STUFF THAT ARE UP FRONT
19:21:48 BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T HAVE THAT IN THE VALLEY THAT SHE
19:21:50 LIVES.
19:21:50 IN THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET, I DO LIKE WALKING OUTSIDE
19:21:53 AND SEEING ALL THE WOODED AREA AND STUFF.
19:21:55 THAT ALLOWS MY KIDS TO SEE THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF NATURE.
19:21:58 SHE SAW WOOD EFFECT PECKERS FOR THE FIRST TIME, NEVER
19:22:01 KNEW WHAT THAT WAS AND WAS ASKING WHY THEY WERE KNOCKING
19:22:04 ON TREES AND KIND OF GIGGLED AT IT.
19:22:06 IT'S LITTLE MEMORIES LIKE THAT THAT I AM ACTUALLY GOING
19:22:10 TO REMEMBER AS A PARENT.
19:22:11 BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED FROM GERMANY, COLLECTIVELY 15
19:22:14 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY, BOTH 100% PERMANENT
19:22:17 DISABLED VETERANS AND WE HAVE BEEN HOME THROUGHOUT THE
19:22:18 ENTIRE TIME OF THIS PANDEMIC THAT WE ARE IN.
19:22:21 SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE EXACT SPOT WHERE THEY PUT IN
19:22:26 THESE LITTLE TRAFFIC METERS IS ACTUALLY IN THE SAME SPOT
19:22:30 WHERE THEY PUT UP THE SIGNS THAT GOING TO BE BLINKING AND
19:22:33 TELLING YOU TO SLOW DOWN.
19:22:34 THEY CONTEMPT THEM UP FOR ONE DAY, AND IT WAS ROUGHLY --
19:22:39 THE AREA THAT THEY WERE TAKING THE TIME WAS EARLY IN THE
19:22:42 MORNING, LATE IN THE AFTERNOON, IT WAS DURING HOLIDAY
19:22:44 HOURS, AND IF THIS IS WORKFORCE HOUSING THEN THEY ARE NOT
19:22:48 TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF JOBS
19:22:51 THAT PEOPLE HAVE.
19:22:52 WORKFORCE HOUSING IS 24 HOURS A DAY.
19:22:55 I HAVE CAMERAS THAT ARE UP RUNNING 24 HOURS A DAY.
19:22:58 I CAN PULL THEM UP AT ANY TIME AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT
19:23:00 THERE ARE MORE CARS THAN THAT.
19:23:03 AND HAVING LIVED IN LOW-INCOME HOUSING BEFORE, I CAN TELL
19:23:06 YOU THAT PEOPLE IN OUT THERE ALL DAY EVERY DAY, KIDS HAVE
19:23:11 FRIENDS, FRIENDS HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES AND OTHER HOLIDAY
19:23:14 THINGS, AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THEY HAVE MORE THAN
19:23:16 FOUR FRIENDS COME OVER.
19:23:17 THAT IS WAY TOO MUCH.
19:23:19 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE WITHIN OUR AREA.
19:23:21 I ACTUALLY BROUGHT SOME PICTURES FOR YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT
19:23:24 TO LOOK.
19:23:26 THIS HAS A PICTURE OF A TRUCK THAT'S OFF OF MINNEHAHA AND
19:23:31 SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE DRIVING IN AND OUT OF
19:23:35 MINNEHAHA TO 22ND.
19:23:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:23:51 IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WISH CITY COUNCIL TO SEE.
19:23:54 >> SO THE FROM TRUCK PULLING IN IS FOR A TRUCK OR BIGGER
19:23:58 VEHICLE BECAUSE DIRECTLY TO IF YOU ARE ON THE PASSENGER
19:24:00 SIDE, THAT SIDE OF THE VEHICLE, THAT'S SOMEONE'S YARD.
19:24:04 [BELL SOUNDS]
19:24:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:24:06 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THOSE PICTURES TO THE CLERK AND
19:24:08 THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THEM AND PASS THEM AROUND SO WE CAN
19:24:11 SEE THEM.
19:24:12 >> OKAY.
19:24:12 THANK YOU.
19:24:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:24:15 THE CLERK OVER HERE.
19:24:19 >> OH, SORRY.
19:24:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER IS NUMBER 5.
19:24:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF
19:24:28 HEALTH, MR. SHELBY, I THINK IT'S HEALTHIER FOR US JUST TO
19:24:31 LEAVE THEM -- SEE THEM ON THE ELMO AS OPPOSED TO PASSING
19:24:35 THEM ALONG.
19:24:50 MAYBE SHE CAN HAVE AN EXTRA MINUTE TONE JUST SHOW US THE
19:24:52 PICTURE.
19:24:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU ARE RIGHT.
19:24:57 THANK YOU.
19:24:58 WE HAVE TRIED TO AVOID PASSING OUT THESE SORT OF PAPERS
19:25:04 AND THE LIKE.
19:25:05 SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF YOU WISH TO HAVE THAT SEEN
19:25:08 BY COUNCIL, RATHER THAN DISTRIBUTE THESE, WE ARE IN A
19:25:13 STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY
19:25:15 THINGS USED TO BE FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE WAY WE CONDUCT
19:25:17 THESE HEARINGS.
19:25:18 PLEASE PUT THEM ON THE COUNTER THERE.
19:25:21 THEY WILL BE PROJECTED.
19:25:22 AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THEM PLACED INTO THE RECORD TO BE
19:25:25 PART OF THE RECORD, THEN I WILL COLLECT THEM, AND I WILL
19:25:29 PUT THEM IN A PLACE WHERE THE CLERK WILL BE ABLE TO
19:25:32 RECEIVE THEM, AND WE'LL DO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO PASS THEM
19:25:35 AROUND, AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.
19:25:38 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:25:41 I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN.
19:25:44 AND I WANTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE
19:25:47 HOW THE HEARING OUGHT TO BE CONDUCTED WITHOUT THE PASSING
19:25:49 OF PAPER.
19:25:51 THAT'S ONE THING WE TRY TO AVOID.
19:25:53 SO THANK YOU.
19:25:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN THE MEANTIME, SHOULD SHE HAVE AN
19:25:55 EXTRA MINUTE?
19:25:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, SPEAKER NUMBER 4, IF YOU WOULD
19:25:59 LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND SHOW US YOUR PHOTOS ON THE
19:26:02 PROJECTOR THERE.
19:26:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND GIVE THE PETITIONER TIME TO OWN
19:26:15 SERVE THEM AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME.
19:26:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
19:26:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WILL SERVE TWO PURPOSES.
19:26:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE WITHIN MINUTE.
19:26:21 YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE TRUCKS THAT ARE ABOUT THAT SIZE
19:26:23 THAT TURN THERE.
19:26:24 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] UP MINNEHAHA.
19:26:47 I WAS NOT ABLE TO SEE AT THE STOP SIGN.
19:26:54 [OFF MICROPHONE] AND THIS SHOWED THE ROAD THAT GOES FROM
19:27:07 MINNEHAHA TO NORTH 24th STREET.
19:27:10 YOU HAVE TO AVERAGE GO NOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THE STOP
19:27:13 SIGN.
19:27:14 YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE WIDE TURNS TO GET ONTO THAT
19:27:16 ROAD.
19:27:17 THESE ARE VERY SMALL ROADS, AND THE MOWER TRAFFIC THAT
19:27:19 YOU ARE GOING TO ADD TO THIS, THE MOWER TRAFFIC ISSUES
19:27:21 THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE.
19:27:23 THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY, SIR.
19:27:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:27:26 SPEAKER NUMBER 5.
19:27:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:27:31 >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
19:27:34 MY NAME IS BELINDA BROWN, EAST FERN STREET IN TAMPA IN
19:27:42 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND LIVED IN THE AREA SINCE 1975.
19:27:45 I AM ASKING COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE UPHOLD YOUR ZONING
19:27:48 ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION TO DENY THE DEVELOPERS ACCESS TO
19:27:53 LOCAL ROAD NORTH 24th STREET, THE STREET IS NARROW,
19:27:57 HAS NO SIDEWALKS, AND IS USED DAILY FOR LOCAL PEDESTRIAN,
19:28:03 SCHOOLCHILDREN, AND WHEELCHAIR TRAVELERS FROM TWO LOCAL
19:28:09 SENIOR FACILITIES.
19:28:11 IT IS DESIGNED TO BE A LOCAL ROAD.
19:28:16 A FIVE BUILDING, THREE-STORY, 120 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING
19:28:22 SHOULD INGRESS AND EGRESS ONTO A COLLECTOR OR ARTERIAL
19:28:28 ROAD.
19:28:29 THIS IS YOUR ZONING CODE.
19:28:32 THE ONLY INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT
19:28:36 IS ONTO LOCAL ROAD NORTH 24th STREET.
19:28:40 THE DEVELOPER'S TRANSPORTATION STUDY IS PROJECTING ALL OF
19:28:44 THESE DAILY TENANT VEHICLE SHIFTS IN AND OUT OF THE
19:28:47 PROPERTY.
19:28:48 THE CITY HAS INSTALLED A FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN AND TWO
19:28:53 DIGITAL SPEED MONITORING SIGNS BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY A
19:28:57 TRAFFIC PROBLEM ON THE STREET.
19:29:01 WITHOUT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
19:29:03 MY FAMILY PROPERTY IS ON THE CORNER OF THE FOUR WAY STOP
19:29:07 AT 24th AND DIANA, AND I WATCH TENS OF VEHICLES RUN
19:29:12 THE STOP SIGNS.
19:29:12 THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR INGRESS OR EGRESS FOR
19:29:17 THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS WEDGED INTO PROPERTY THAT IS
19:29:24 BACKED UP TO CSX RAILROAD AND HAS PROPERTIES ON EITHER
19:29:29 SIDE, AND NO WAY OUT EXCEPT THAT LOCAL ROAD, 24th
19:29:34 STREET.
19:29:35 THE CITY HAS DENIED THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE SIDEWALKS
19:29:39 BECAUSE THE CITY SAYS THE ROAD IS TOO NARROW.
19:29:45 THIS IS NOT A MAP.
19:29:49 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, EAST-WEST, WE HAD OVER 1,300 AFFORDABLE
19:29:53 HOUSING UNITS IN SEVEN MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS WITHIN A
19:29:57 HALF OF A MILE SQUARE.
19:30:00 WE ARE MORE THAN SUPPORTING THE INITIATIVE OF AFFORDABLE
19:30:05 HOUSING IN THIS CITY.
19:30:07 THE DIFFERENCE WITH ALL SEVEN OF THOSE IS THEY ALL
19:30:12 INGRESS AND EGRESS ONTO ARTERIAL AND COLLATERAL ROADS.
19:30:18 THANK YOU.
19:30:19 AND THIS IS WHAT YOUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR IS UPHOLDING.
19:30:27 THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY ANALYSIS FROM THEM AND THE
19:30:31 PROTECTION OF PROJECTION OF MEMBERS CAN'T TELL THE REAL
19:30:35 STORY.
19:30:36 WE, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, HAVE THE ACTUAL,
19:30:41 EVERYDAY, WALKING AROUND EXPERIENCE OF WHAT ACTUALLY
19:30:45 HAPPENS ON THIS ROAD.
19:30:49 DAY IN, DAY OUT, NEAR MISSES BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND
19:30:55 WHEELCHAIRS AND VEHICLES.
19:30:56 THE DIFFICULTY OF RESIDENTS ENTERING AND EXITING THEIR
19:31:00 DRIVEWAYS, LAWLESSNESS OF SPEEDING AND RUNNING TRAFFIC
19:31:04 SIGNS.
19:31:06 SAFETY SHOULD BE OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE IN A COMMUNITY.
19:31:10 [BELL SOUNDS]
19:31:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:31:12 >> MAY I HAVE 30 SECONDS?
19:31:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
19:31:17 I RECEIVED E-MAILS FROM SOME CITIZENS IN REFERENCE TO THE
19:31:20 TRAFFIC OVER THERE.
19:31:21 THEY JUST PUT THOSE BEACONS UP.
19:31:25 >> YES.
19:31:27 THEY WERE --
19:31:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW LONG AGO WERE THEY PUT UP?
19:31:31 >> ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
19:31:33 THOSE ARE JUST TWO WEEKS AGO BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE
19:31:36 TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A PROBLEM.
19:31:39 SO THAT CITY OF TAMPA IS ALREADY TAKING TRAFFIC CALMING
19:31:45 STEPS EVEN WITHOUT THIS UNIT.
19:31:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
19:31:51 >> SO I AM ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE --
19:31:54 >>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:31:54 >> -- UP HOLD THE ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION.
19:31:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:31:58 >> PLEASE.
19:31:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SPEAKER NUMBER 6.
19:32:00 >> MY NAME IS SARAH OSLY, 2400 EAST E STREET.
19:32:15 PLEASE DO NOT OVERTURN THIS ZONING DECISION.
19:32:18 THANK YOU.
19:32:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:32:23 SPEAKER NUMBER 7.
19:32:24 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
19:32:42 THIS EVENING.
19:32:43 MY NAME IS CAROL HORTON.
19:32:46 I LIVE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST.
19:32:47 AND I AM ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST
19:32:50 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
19:32:53 SOME OF YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE OUR AREA IS, BUT IF
19:32:57 YOU LOOK AT BACKS ON TAMPA HISTORY, YOU WILL SEE THAT
19:33:01 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST IS IN THERE.
19:33:04 ON THE CORNER OF 22ND, HILLSBOROUGH, WAS THE ORIGINAL
19:33:08 SEARS DEPARTMENT STORE WHICH IS NOW IRWIN VO-TECH.
19:33:13 I HAVE THREE SIGNATURES FROM OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE
19:33:15 ALLOWED ME TO USE THEIR TIME TO SPEAK IF THAT IS ALL
19:33:20 RIGHT.
19:33:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE THEY HERE?
19:33:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THE PEOPLE HERE?
19:33:26 THEY NEED TO BE HERE.
19:33:27 >> NO, THEY ARE NOT HERE.
19:33:28 >>THE CLERK: MORE SPECIFIC, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
19:33:31 WHEN COUNCIL ADOPTED EMERGENCY RULES THEY SUSPENDED THE
19:33:34 SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AND NOW RELY ON PEOPLE'S
19:33:36 REPRESENTATIONS OF WHO THEY REPRESENT, IDEALLY,
19:33:41 PREFERABLY, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD HAVE COMMUNICATED TO
19:33:44 COUNCIL.
19:33:44 WE HAD THAT DONE VERY RECENTLY BIBY E-MAIL THAT BEING THE
19:33:48 CASE IF YOU WANT TO STATE THE NAME, HAVE THE CLOCK STOP.
19:33:51 >> THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE?
19:33:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE AND THE FACT
19:33:55 THEY ARE NOT PRESENT, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE
19:33:58 REQUESTING --
19:33:58 >> I AM UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, SORRY.
19:34:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, LET ME TAKE THIS OFF AND
19:34:04 SAY -- AND THIS IS ALSO GOING TO TAKE PLACE, IT'S BEEN
19:34:09 THIS WAY SINCE WE HAVE BEEN IN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AND
19:34:12 IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS
19:34:15 BEING SUSPENDED.
19:34:17 WHAT HAPPENS IN LIEU OF THAT IS THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
19:34:23 HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME, WE RELY ON RULE SINGLE-FAMILY WHICH
19:34:29 STATES AS FOLLOWS: REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TIME MAY ONLY
19:34:31 BE GRANTED IF THE PARTICIPANT MAKING THE REQUEST
19:34:34 ESTABLISHES TO THE SATISFACTION OF COUNCIL THAT
19:34:36 ADDITIONAL TIME IS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL DUE
19:34:39 PROCESS.
19:34:40 COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL BY MAJORITY VOTE GRANT OR DENY THE
19:34:43 REQUEST AND DETERMINE THE ADDITIONAL TIME NECESSARY, IF
19:34:46 ANY.
19:34:47 IN THE EVENT THAT A PARTICIPANT IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL
19:34:50 PUBLIC HEARING IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME TO MAKE A
19:34:52 PRESENTATION, THEN THE PETITIONER MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL
19:34:55 TIME FOR THE PURPOSES OF REBUTTAL AS NECESSARY TO AFFORD
19:34:59 PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS.
19:35:00 MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO STATE THE NAMES OF THOSE
19:35:02 PEOPLE WHO ARE WAIVING THEIR TIME, YOUR REQUEST FOR HOW
19:35:06 MUCH TIME YOU WISH TO HAVE, TOTAL THAT YOU THINK YOU WILL
19:35:09 BE ABLE TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION AND PRESENT TO THE
19:35:11 COUNCIL AND HAVE COUNCIL MAKE THEIR DECISION.
19:35:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU
19:35:16 HAD LISTED?
19:35:18 >> DEBRA RAY JACKSON.
19:35:21 WILLIAM BERNARD JACKSON.
19:35:23 AND KENNETH ANTRUSE.
19:35:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THOSE PEOPLE, ONCE THEY WAIVE TIME,
19:35:29 FOR ONE PERSON, THEY HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR TIME AND THEY
19:35:31 CAN'T KEEP AGREEING TO WAIVE THEIR TIME TO EACH
19:35:35 INDIVIDUAL PERSON THEY REQUESTED.
19:35:36 SO THREE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED HAVE WAIVED THEIR TIME.
19:35:46 WHEN THE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM WAS IN PLACE, THEY GIVE UP
19:35:48 THEIR THREE MINUTES AND GET AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
19:35:50 SO YOU MENTION THREE NAMES.
19:35:52 SO WITH A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN SIX
19:35:54 MINUTES.
19:35:55 HOW MANY MINUTES DO YOU THINK YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE YOUR
19:35:57 PRESENTATION?
19:35:58 >> HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE ME?
19:36:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
19:36:01 >> I DON'T KNOW.
19:36:02 I HAVE WRITTEN IT OUT SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE FASTER
19:36:04 BECAUSE I CAN TALK FOREVER.
19:36:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE BASED ON WHAT
19:36:08 YOU HEARD?
19:36:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL?
19:36:12 NONE.
19:36:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NONE HERE.
19:36:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
19:36:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANY OBJECTION FROM THE PETITIONER?
19:36:21 I SEE NO OBJECTION IS THE RESPONSE.
19:36:23 THANK YOU.
19:36:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT.
19:36:24 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
19:36:26 SIX MINUTES.
19:36:26 >> SO FOR SOME OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, YOU WILL KNOW THE
19:36:29 FUNLAND DRIVE-IN, THAT'S IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST.
19:36:32 AND YUMMY HOUSE, UP WITH OF THE BEST CHINESE RESTAURANTS
19:36:36 IS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST.
19:36:39 AND I DID WANT TO MENTION ALSO THAT IT WAS CONCERNING TO
19:36:41 ME AND SOME OTHERS, MR. DINGFELDER, THAT YOU FELT LAST
19:36:46 TIME THAT THERE MAY BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH YOU
19:36:49 AND MR. HEDGES, AT THE PRIOR HEARING, YET YOU DIDN'T
19:36:54 RECUSE YOURSELF.
19:36:55 WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FAIR HEARING.
19:36:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, AND -- I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING
19:37:00 IT UP AGAIN.
19:37:04 I ANNOUNCED THAT AS A MATTER OF FULL DISCLOSURE THAT I
19:37:07 SERVE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COUNCIL WITH MR.
19:37:13 HEDGES.
19:37:14 I JUST GOT APPOINTED SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY ATTENDED ALL OF
19:37:17 ONE MEETING TOGETHER BACK IN NOVEMBER.
19:37:20 I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
19:37:25 AND MR. SHELBY, SINCE YOU ARE BRINGING IT UP, I
19:37:28 APPRECIATE THAT.
19:37:29 WE SHOULD PROBABLY ADDRESS IT AGAIN.
19:37:31 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE CONCLUDED THAT IT WAS A CONFLICT.
19:37:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CERTAINLY IT'S NOT A FINANCIAL
19:37:37 CONFLICT.
19:37:38 YOU HAVE NO FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. HEDGES
19:37:40 WHATSOEVER, AND YOU HAVE NO FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP OR
19:37:43 RELATIVE OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE THE SUBJECT OF THIS
19:37:51 DECISION.
19:37:51 IS THAT CORRECT?
19:37:52 FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT?
19:37:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CORRECT.
19:37:54 I SERVE ON A PUBLIC SUNSHINE BODY WITH MR. HEDGES AND TEN
19:37:59 OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DEAL WITH AFFORDABLE
19:38:02 HOUSING.
19:38:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN THE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU BE FAIR
19:38:07 AND IMPARTIAL AND BASE YOUR DECISION ON THE COMPETENT,
19:38:10 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU HEAR AT THIS HEARING?
19:38:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, ABSOLUTELY, 100%.
19:38:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I BELIEVE
19:38:17 THAT IT WOULD BE MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT YOU ARE
19:38:23 REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTES TO VOTE.
19:38:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
19:38:27 THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR REMINDING ME ABOUT THAT, AND MR.
19:38:31 SHELBY'S OPINION AND MY LEGAL OPINION, I DO NOT HAVE A
19:38:34 CONFLICT.
19:38:35 BUT THANK YOU.
19:38:35 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
19:38:37 THANK YOU.
19:38:37 WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FAIR HEARING
19:38:40 HERE.
19:38:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
19:38:42 >> I ALSO WANTS TO POINT OUT THAT MY ASSISTANT HERE HAS
19:38:47 PETITIONED, WE ACTUALLY HAVE OVER 140 PETITIONS FROM OUR
19:38:52 NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OPPOSING THIS BUILDING AND THIS
19:38:57 VARIANCE.
19:38:58 WE APPRECIATE THAT.
19:38:59 THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME OF GOING OUT AND GETTING
19:39:02 PETITIONS.
19:39:03 ONCE FOR THE ZONING BOARD AND NOW TWICE FOR THESE
19:39:06 HEARINGS. SO IT'S TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF EFFORT ON OUR
19:39:08 PART TO PRESENT THIS AND WE HOPE WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB
19:39:12 ON IT.
19:39:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
19:39:13 I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:39:14 MARTIN SHELBY FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD AND I
19:39:16 APOLOGIZE TO THE SPEAKER FOR INTERRUPTING.
19:39:18 BUT I HAVE TO ADVISE COUNCIL, I HAVE TO ADVISE THE PUBLIC
19:39:22 THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN THE PETITION NOR HAS THE COUNCIL, TO
19:39:26 MY KNOWLEDGE.
19:39:28 I DON'T KNOW WHAT FACTS THEY ARE ASSERTING WITHIN THE
19:39:31 PETITION, BUT IN AND OF ITSELF THE COURTS HAVE FOUND THAT
19:39:36 PETITIONS DO NOT CONSTITUTE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
19:39:39 EVIDENCE, AND FOR A BOARD TO BASE THEIR DECISION ON
19:39:43 MERELY A PETITION, AND THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES, SIGNED
19:39:48 TO A PETITION, IF THAT IS THE BASIS FOR IT, OR WORSE, ONE
19:39:52 COULD ARGUE THAT IT PREJUDICED YOU BY ITS EXISTENCE, THEN
19:39:58 IT COULD BE A BASIS FOR CHALLENGE TO YOUR DECISION,
19:40:02 WHATEVER IT IS.
19:40:02 SO I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, COUNCIL, THAT TIME IS BETTER
19:40:08 SPENT BY DISCUSSING THE FACTS OF THE CASE RELATIVE TO THE
19:40:11 CODE.
19:40:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, THEY HAVE GOT A PETITION,
19:40:16 HAVE GONE TO GREAT EFFORT TO GET IT.
19:40:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
19:40:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PUT
19:40:19 IT IN THE RECORD THE SAME WAY THAT ANYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO
19:40:22 MAIL US ANYTHING.
19:40:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I'M NOT SAYING --
19:40:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PUT IT IN THE RECORD ADD AND BE DONE
19:40:27 WITH IT.
19:40:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT WHAT I NEED TO HAVE HAPPEN, THOUGH,
19:40:30 COUNCIL, ARE TWO THINGS.
19:40:31 NUMBER ONE IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT
19:40:34 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO
19:40:36 RECOGNIZE THAT THE COURTS HAVE FOUND THAT IT IS NOT
19:40:39 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE EITHER.
19:40:41 SO THAT BEING SAID, I AM CERTAINLY HAPPY --
19:40:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE APPRECIATE YOUR ADVICE.
19:40:47 >> THANK YOU.
19:40:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT.
19:40:49 YES, MA'AM.
19:40:49 PLEASE CONTINUE.
19:40:50 >> ALL RIGHT.
19:40:54 I COME HERE THIS EVENING ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD THE TAMPA
19:40:58 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DETERMINATION TO DENY THE ZONING
19:41:01 VARIANCE FOR APARTMENTS TO BE LOCATED ON THE LOCAL ROAD
19:41:06 24th STREET OF MINNEHAHA.
19:41:07 I ALSO ASK YOU TO UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S
19:41:13 DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE.
19:41:15 WHEN ASKED WHY THE VARIANCE REQUEST SUBMITTED BY THE
19:41:18 BUILDERS WAS DENIED, BRAD BIRCH OF THE ZONING
19:41:23 DEPARTMENT'S ANSWER WAS, TO PUT IT SIMPLY, IT DIDN'T MEET
19:41:26 CODE STANDARDS FOR THE CRITERIA NEEDED FOR THAT TYPE OF
19:41:31 DEVELOPMENT AT THAT LOCATION.
19:41:35 THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD.
19:41:38 IN ADDITION, WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE
19:41:41 WHEELCHAIR TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THERE.
19:41:43 THE SIDEWALKS, YOU CANNOT ADD SIDEWALKS.
19:41:45 WE TRIED THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
19:41:47 SPACE.
19:41:49 THEY SAID IT WAS 20 FEET ACROSS, WHERE MOST CASES IT'S 17
19:41:53 FEET ACROSS.
19:41:54 THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO PASS THROUGH.
19:42:02 REGARDING TREES, THE BUILDERS ARE ASKING FOR ANOTHER
19:42:06 VARIANCE.
19:42:07 THIS WAS NOT BROUGHT UP AT THE HEARING LAST TIME, BUT
19:42:10 THEY ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO REMOVE 25 TREES
19:42:13 INCLUDING FIVE GRAND TREES.
19:42:16 TAMPA HAS BEEN AWARDED THE TITLE TREE CITY USA, AND WORKS
19:42:20 TO KEEP ITS STRONG TREE CANOPY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
19:42:23 THESE TREES WOULD BE REMOVED TO PAVE A PARKING LOT AND
19:42:27 ADD A BUILDING.
19:42:28 WE ASK THAT THE VARIANCE IS NOT GRANTED AS IT DOES NOT
19:42:32 SUPPORT THE CONSERVATION INITIATIVE OUTLINED IN THE CITY
19:42:34 OF TAMPA'S URBAN FORESTRY MANAGEMENT ACTION PLAN.
19:42:39 WE ARE ALSO SPEAKING ABOUT HAVING A HIGH DENSITY IN
19:42:42 RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
19:42:44 THESE APARTMENTS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
19:42:47 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, AND INCONSISTENT WITH CITY OF
19:42:50 TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
19:42:53 MANY OF THESE HOMEOWNERS HAVE WORKED HARD TO KEEP THEIR
19:42:55 MARRIAGES PAID DURING THIS PANDEMIC.
19:42:57 SOME OF THEM VESTED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BY PURCHASING
19:43:01 THEIR HOMES.
19:43:01 THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS A PROGRAM CALLED DARE TO OWN THE
19:43:05 DREAM, AND THAT PROGRAM ENCOURAGES HOME BUYING, NOT
19:43:10 APARTMENT LIVING, HOME BUYING.
19:43:13 WE HAVE 1300 MORE AFFORDABLE AND LOW-INCOME APARTMENTS
19:43:18 APARTMENT UNITS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:43:21 WE HAVE MORE THAN EXCEEDED THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
19:43:25 WE ARE NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
19:43:27 I LIVED IN KNOLLWOOD MAN NOR, 394 UNITS, AND I MANAGED IT
19:43:32 FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
19:43:34 IT'S A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY WITH AMENITIES FOR THE PEOPLE
19:43:38 WHO LIVE THERE ON 40 ACRES.
19:43:40 THIS ONE WILL HAVE NO AMENITIES FOR ANY OF THE CHILDREN
19:43:44 EXCEPT MAYBE FOR THE TOTS.
19:43:46 MAYBE A ROOM WITH COMPUTER ROOM FOR THE TEENAGERS.
19:43:49 IF THEY ARE WORKING FOR WORKFORCE PEOPLE IT'S LOW INCOME,
19:43:54 BUT IF IT IS WORKING FORCE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
19:43:57 WORKING.
19:43:57 WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN GOING TO GO?
19:43:59 THE SCHOOLS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO WALK TO WITH NO
19:44:03 SIDEWALKS DOWN MINNEHAHA WITH ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ARE
19:44:06 GOING TO LEAD THEM TO SLIGH JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHICH HAS
19:44:08 BEEN C-RATED SCHOOL, AND STEVEN FOSTER ELEMENTARY WHICH
19:44:13 IS AN F-RATED SCHOOL.
19:44:16 AND HUD SAID -- BY THE WAY, HUD IS KNOLLWOOD MANOR
19:44:22 ALSO ---DON'T PUT THESE FAMILIES IN SCHOOL AREAS WITH
19:44:26 UNDERPERFORMING SCHOOLS.
19:44:29 YOU CAN'T GET MORE UNDERPERFORMING THAN AN F RATING.
19:44:34 HUD SAYS GIVE THESE CHILDREN AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN
19:44:38 AREAS WITH BETTER SCHOOLS.
19:44:41 SO, AGAIN, ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU, CITY COUNCIL, IN
19:44:46 THE WORDS OF BRAD BIRCH -- I WAS GOING TO BRING OUT MY
19:44:50 PHONE AND LET YOU HEAR IT.
19:44:53 TO PUT IT SIMPLY, IT DIDN'T MEET CODE STANDARDS FOR THE
19:44:57 CRITERIA NEEDED, FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AT THAT
19:45:03 LOCATION.
19:45:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:45:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:45:11 SPEAKER NUMBER 8.
19:45:25 GO AHEAD.
19:45:43 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
19:45:44 >> MY NAME IS MARIA VELEZ, AND I LIVE ON 6401-NORTH
19:45:53 21st STREET.
19:45:54 THAT'S A CORNER HOUSE.
19:45:56 I AM NOT OPPOSING TO THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT NOT
19:46:00 WHERE I LIVE.
19:46:02 I LIVE ON THE CORNER HOUSE.
19:46:04 I WORK FROM HOME.
19:46:06 AND MY OFFICE IS IN THE LIVING ROOM THAT IS LITERALLY
19:46:10 FACING THE CORNER OF 23rd AND 24th STREET.
19:46:18 THE REASON THAT I DON'T WANT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IS,
19:46:23 ONE, THAT IT WOULD CREATE PROBLEMS WITH THE WATER, SO WE
19:46:28 GOT WATER WITH WATER STORAGE.
19:46:31 WE HAVE GOT THE INTAKE AND WE HAVE GOT THE OUTTAKE.
19:46:34 THAT ENOUGH IS BAD NOW, SO WHEN YOU ADD THIS APARTMENT
19:46:38 COMPLEX, HOW MUCH WORSE IS THAT GOING TO GET?
19:46:43 THERE WILL BE ISSUES WITH THE SCHOOL BUSES IF ONCE THIS
19:46:47 HAPPENS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET A ROAD TO GO TO WHERE WE
19:46:52 GOT TO GO AND YOU HAVE GOT THESE SCHOOL BUSES?
19:46:55 SCHOOL BUSES TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THESE KIDS TO GET ON.
19:46:58 HOW MUCH LONGER IS THAT GOING TO DELAY FOR US COMING AND
19:47:01 GOING?
19:47:02 I SEE CARS THAT FLY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING.
19:47:06 THEY FLEW ON 24th STREET.
19:47:10 IF THEY ARE SO CONCERNED, WHY CAN'T WE GET SPEED BUMPS
19:47:13 THAT WE HAVE BEEN WANTING THIS FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG?
19:47:17 WE ALSO -- I SEE PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS.
19:47:20 SO WHERE IS THE THING?
19:47:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RIGHT THERE.
19:47:27 YOU GOT IT.
19:47:28 OH, IT'S UPSIDE DOWN.
19:47:30 TURN IT AROUND.
19:47:31 THERE WE GO.
19:47:31 >> PEOPLE FLYING BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO HURRY UP AND
19:47:37 AFRAID, AT ONE POINT THEY ARE ACTUALLY FACING TRAFFIC TO
19:47:40 SEE TRAFFIC COMING AT THEM, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S
19:47:43 BEHIND, AND SO THEY GOT ENOUGH SPACE AND THEY CROSS THE
19:47:46 STREET.
19:47:47 I SEE THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY WHILE I AM WORKING.
19:47:51 AGAIN, I LIVE ON THE CORNER HOUSE.
19:47:53 I SEE IT ALL.
19:47:54 I SEE THEM PUT UP THAT SPEED THING.
19:47:58 IT WAS DONE LAST WEEK, AND IT'S STILL NOT TURNED ON.
19:48:01 THEY COULD HAVE TURNED IT ON.
19:48:03 SO I SAW FROM THE BEGINNING UNTIL THEY FINISHED IT.
19:48:06 I WAS WONDERING WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
19:48:08 FIVE CARS, TEN MEN, TWO PEOPLE DIGGING.
19:48:11 DON'T GET THAT.
19:48:12 BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
19:48:14 AND ALSO CONCERN ABOUT OUR LOCATION.
19:48:17 WHAT ABOUT BURN STREET THAT HORRIBLE STREET THAT NEEDS
19:48:21 PAVING?
19:48:22 ON 21st STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HANNA, HORRIBLE
19:48:25 STREET, NEEDS TO BE PAVED.
19:48:27 WE ALREADY HAVE CONTRIBUTED AND EXCEEDED WITH THE
19:48:30 LOW-EARNING INCOME.
19:48:32 WE HAVE ON SLIGH AND 24th, AND ON HANNA AND 24th,
19:48:37 AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
19:48:38 WE HAVE GOT THE ELDERLY.
19:48:40 WE GOT THE LOW-EARNING, THE LOW-EARNING INCOME, AND THEN
19:48:45 WE GOT THE SENIORS WITH THE ASSISTANT LIVING WE HAVE MORE
19:48:51 THAN ENOUGH.
19:48:52 AND APARTMENT COMPLEX AT THE END OF SLIGH AND 24th,
19:48:55 HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU WANT TO PUT ON OUR LITTLE LOCATION?
19:48:59 LITTLE STREET, THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN PUT A SIDEWALK.
19:49:04 BECAUSE THEN YOU WILL BE ON TOP OF OUR PROPERTY.
19:49:07 THAT'S NOT DOABLE.
19:49:09 OKAY?
19:49:11 SO WHY IS IT THAT WHEN WE SEE THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR
19:49:17 NEIGHBORHOOD, I NEVER GET NOTHING IN THE MAIL, SO I CAN
19:49:20 OBJECT WHAT'S GOING ON, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:49:22 I PAY TAXES.
19:49:24 THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, I PAY TAXES.
19:49:26 I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND YOU NEED TO LET ME
19:49:31 KNOW, BECAUSE I PAY TAXES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:49:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:49:36 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:49:38 >> AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.
19:49:40 THIS IS THE FIRST I AM PRESENTED ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
19:49:42 SO I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS AND EXCITED BECAUSE I LIVE IN
19:49:46 THAT AREA.
19:49:47 SO THANK YOU.
19:49:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:49:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
19:50:00 >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
19:50:04 ALL THE COUNCIL PEOPLE, COUNCIL PERSONS SHOULD HAVE
19:50:08 RECEIVED A LETTER.
19:50:09 I SENT THE LETTER I AM GOING TO READ TO YOU.
19:50:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
19:50:13 >> MY NAME IS MAURICE MASON.
19:50:15 I'M HERE FOR MY WIFE, AND MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, WILLIE
19:50:20 LORENZO.
19:50:22 AND I WILL SPEAK FOR THEM.
19:50:24 I AM GOING TO READ IT.
19:50:26 WE OWN A HOME, OUR RESIDENCE AT 6204 NORTH 24th
19:50:31 STREET, TAMPA.
19:50:32 WE ARE HERE TO TRY TO INFORM YOU OF OUR REQUEST TO DENY
19:50:38 THE BUILDER'S REQUEST FOR THE 2411 EAST MINNEHAHA STREET.
19:50:49 PREVIOUSLY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DENIED THE SPECIAL
19:50:51 USE ZONING REQUEST.
19:50:52 NOW THE APARTMENT DEVELOPER IS ATTEMPTING TO APPEAL TO
19:50:57 YOURSELVES, THE CITY COUNCIL.
19:50:59 AS A RETIRED MILITARY DISABLED VETERAN WHO SERVED OVER 25
19:51:03 IN THE MILITARY, 25 YEARS IN THE MILITARY, I URGE YOU NOT
19:51:06 TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION.
19:51:10 PLEASE VOTE NO.
19:51:13 OUR RATIONALE IS THE SAFETY OF OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO
19:51:17 WILL BE AT RISK AND INCREASED RISK IF YOU APPROVE THIS
19:51:20 APARTMENT COMPLEX.
19:51:21 TYPICALLY, WE HAVE RESERVED NO SIDEWALKS, LOTS OF CARS
19:51:26 WHO SPEED UP AND DOWN THE STREET, AND RUN STOP SIGNS.
19:51:30 CHILDREN, SENIORS, AND DISABLED PERSONNEL ARE PORTIONED
19:51:33 TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OFTEN.
19:51:36 OKAY.
19:51:36 AGAIN, I URGE YOU TO UPHOLD THE ADMINISTRATOR'S
19:51:39 DETERMINATION OF ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S REQUEST FOR THE
19:51:44 SAID CASE NUMBER.
19:51:45 DO NOT GRANT ACCESS ONTO LOCAL ROADS, 24th STREET,
19:51:51 FOR THE 120 APARTMENT UNITS.
19:51:54 THANK YOU.
19:51:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:51:56 SPEAKER 10.
19:52:04 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEN.
19:52:06 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
19:52:09 I'M A RESIDENT I ACTUALLY LIVE ON 24th STREET.
19:52:12 THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE AS WELL.
19:52:14 AND I THINK IT'S QUITE APPALLING THAT THEY WANT TO PUT
19:52:17 THE EXIT --
19:52:18 >>> I NEED YOUR NAME, MAN.
19:52:19 >> IT'S MONICA JOHNSON.
19:52:22 I THINK IT'S KIND OF APPALLING THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO
19:52:24 PUT THAT EXIT RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY DOOR.
19:52:27 THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
19:52:29 I MEAN, YOU GUYS OWN HOMES.
19:52:31 HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF 240 CARS WERE COMING OUT OF AN
19:52:34 APARTMENT COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE TRYING TO BACK UP YOUR
19:52:37 CAR?
19:52:38 THE REAL REASON I AM HERE IS NOT JUST FOR ME AND MY
19:52:41 FAMILY BUT THE ELDERLY PEOPLE.
19:52:43 THAT TRAFFIC REPORT, CRAP.
19:52:45 IT'S NOT GOING TO CAPTURE WHEELCHAIRS, MOTORIZED
19:52:50 SCOOTERS, ANYTIME BETWEEN 11 AND 1:00 YOU WILL FIND
19:52:53 SENIOR CITIZENS USING THAT ROAD AND SMALL CHILDREN.
19:52:57 YOU ARE CIVIL SERVANTS.
19:52:59 PROTECT, ADVOCATE.
19:53:01 THAT'S WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.
19:53:03 I MEAN, WE JUST GOT RID OF A PRESIDENT WHO DIDN'T CARE
19:53:06 ABOUT ELDERLY AND THE NATION LET ALONE IN FLORIDA.
19:53:08 THIS IS HAPPENING IN YOUR BACKYARD.
19:53:10 SO I AM LOOKING FOR YOU TO SUPPORT THE DECISION THAT THE
19:53:13 ZONING DEPARTMENT IS SAYING, HEY, IT DOESN'T QUALIFY, AND
19:53:17 UNTIL IT DOES, DON'T COME BACK HERE UNTIL IT DOES.
19:53:21 THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING FOR YOU TO DO.
19:53:23 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, GENTLEMEN.
19:53:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:53:26 >> I'D LIKE TO TAKE ONE MOMENT TO KIND OF SHOW YOU SOME
19:53:28 OF THE PICTURES THAT I TOOK, WHICH HAPPENS ON A REGULAR
19:53:35 BASIS.
19:53:35 SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW WE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE TO
19:53:40 TAKE CARE OF THEM.
19:53:41 I HAVE TO GET OUT MY CAR SOMETIMES AND WALK THEM OUT OF
19:53:44 THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
19:53:54 CAN YOU SEE?
19:53:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
19:53:56 PLEASE MOVE THE PHONE UP A LITTLE BIT.
19:53:59 WE CAN SEE IT NOW.
19:53:59 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] ON A REGULAR BASIS.
19:54:10 WALKING DOWN THE STREET.
19:54:17 AND WE ALL HAVE TO GET HOME.
19:54:18 AND IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY --
19:54:26 [OFF MICROPHONE]
19:54:29 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:54:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
19:54:31 SPEAKER NUMBER 11.
19:54:39 11.
19:54:41 ONCE YOU HAVE SPOKEN, YOU HAVE SPOKEN.
19:54:53 IS THERE A SPEAKER NUMBER 11?
19:54:58 SPEAKER NUMBER 12?
19:55:01 SHE ALREADY SPOKE.
19:55:02 SPEAKER NUMBER 12.
19:55:03 >> ARE THERE PEOPLE OUTSIDE?
19:55:07 OOH.
19:55:07 >> THERE WAS ONE PERSON, I THINK, THAT WAS OUTSIDE.
19:55:11 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
19:55:13 I WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
19:55:15 I HAVE TO USE THE RESTROOM.
19:55:17 JUST ONE MINUTE.
19:55:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
19:55:20 SPEAKER NUMBER 12.
19:55:22 ALL RIGHT.
19:55:22 SO YOU WILL BE WITH THE REBUTTAL.
19:55:25 SPEAKER NUMBER 13.
19:55:25 >> HELLO.
19:55:33 MY NAME IS DEONNE PARIS, NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 2406
19:55:40 EAST FERN STREET IS MY ADDRESS AND IT'S NICE TO GET THE
19:55:43 COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
19:55:44 I HAVE NEVER BEEN DOWN HERE BEFORE FOR SOMETHING LIKE
19:55:46 THIS BUT IT WAS SERIOUS ENOUGH FOR ME TO SHOW UP TONIGHT
19:55:49 AND I HAVE BEEN HERE SEVERAL HOURS.
19:55:50 I JUST WANT TO, I GUESS, AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT
19:55:55 EVERYBODY SAID, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING IN
19:55:58 TOUCH WITH YOUR PEOPLE.
19:55:59 I THINK THAT YOUR POSITIONS HAVE TO WEIGH IN THE
19:56:03 STATISTICS AS WELL AS WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY.
19:56:06 AND IF YOU ARE SAYING -- SEEING THIS MANY NUMBERS,
19:56:10 THINKING THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID WITH THAT. ANYWAY,
19:56:13 FERN STREET SITS BETWEEN 22ND AND 24th.
19:56:16 AND I PERSONALLY IN THE TIME THAT I PURCHASED MY HOME
19:56:20 HAVE SEEN TRAFFIC OVERFLOW FROM 22ND CUT THROUGH FERN TO
19:56:25 GET TO 24th.
19:56:28 NO SIDEWALKS.
19:56:31 SPEEDING.
19:56:32 DON'T EVEN START TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I PUT
19:56:34 IN WITH THE SEWER SYSTEM AND SO FORTH.
19:56:37 BUT I AM JUST ASKING YOU TO UPHOLD YOUR PREVIOUS DECISION
19:56:41 TO NOT LET THIS GO DOWN.
19:56:43 AND I AS WELL, DIDN'T GET ANY NOTIFICATION, YOU HAD A
19:56:49 MEETING, NO ONE WANTED MY OPINION.
19:56:51 I KNOW I'M NEW, BUT MY OPINION DOES COUNT AND I AM PAYING
19:56:55 TAXES.
19:56:55 THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
19:56:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:56:57 SPEAKER NUMBER 14.
19:57:02 SPEAKER NUMBER 15.
19:57:06 ALL RIGHT.
19:57:06 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEN.
19:57:19 MY NAME IS JOSE ROSARIO, 6520 NORTH 24th STREET.
19:57:25 I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A MEMBER OF THE GREAT CITY OF
19:57:27 TAMPA, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY A CONCERNED MEMBER OF THE
19:57:31 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST NEIGHBORHOOD, TO URGE THAT YOU
19:57:33 PLEASE UPHOLD THE DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING
19:57:36 ADMINISTRATOR AND DO NOT GRANT ACCESS ONTO LOCAL ROAD
19:57:40 NORTH 24th STREET.
19:57:42 THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ONLY INCREASE THE RISK OUR
19:57:46 COMMUNITY MEMBERS CURRENTLY FACE REGARDING HEY AMOUNTS OF
19:57:48 TRAFFIC ON A LOCAL ROAD THAT CANNOT SUPPORT ADDITIONAL
19:57:51 TRAFFIC.
19:57:53 AS SOMEONE WHO MUST UTILIZE 24th STREET, SLIGH
19:57:56 AVENUE, AND HANNA DAILY TO COMMUTE TO AND FROM WORK, I
19:58:00 HAVE WITNESSED THE CONGESTION THAT OCCURS ON OUR
19:58:03 NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, AS COMMUTERS TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE
19:58:06 CONGESTION CREATED ON 22ND AND SLIGH AVENUE, AND 22ND AND
19:58:10 HANNA.
19:58:11 MEMBERS WHO LIVE IN EPIPHANY ARMS, A SENIOR HUD COMMUNITY
19:58:16 LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF HANNA AND 24th STREET, USE
19:58:19 24th STREET TO WALK DAILY, AND ARE FORCED TO WALK ON
19:58:22 THE STREET DUE TO LACK OF SIDEWALKS.
19:58:25 CAUSING THEM TO SHARE THE ROAD WITH VEHICLES WHICH MANY
19:58:28 TIMES ARE TRAVEL AT SPEEDS DOUBLE THE SPEED LIMIT.
19:58:33 OUR ROADS DO NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT AN
19:58:36 ADDITIONAL 120-PLUS APARTMENT COMPLEX WHICH WOULD ADD AT
19:58:40 MINIMUM AN ESTIMATED 150 CARS TO OUR CURRENT ISSUE.
19:58:44 QUEER A COMMUNITY THAT IS NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
19:58:47 AS WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE HOUSING COMPLEXES WITHIN A ONE
19:58:52 MILE RADIUS.
19:58:53 UNION SQUARE APARTMENTS ON THE CORNER OF SLIGH AVENUE AND
19:58:56 24th STREET, GRAND OAKS APARTMENT OFF HANNA AVENUE
19:59:00 AND MERIDIAN POINT OFFER OFF HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE, ALL
19:59:04 AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOTALING 1300 UNITS.
19:59:06 EACH DEVELOPMENT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT WITH ENTRANCES
19:59:09 AND EXITS ONTO MAIN ROADS CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING THE
19:59:13 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES THAT POURED INTO THE COMMUNITY.
19:59:15 THIS CURRENT DEVELOPMENT DOES THE OPPOSITE PLACING THE
19:59:18 ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON A STREET BARELY WIDE ENOUGH TO
19:59:21 SUPPORT EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE
19:59:24 HOMES OF FAMILIES WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, MY CHILDREN, AND
19:59:28 MY NEIGHBORS' CHILDREN DIRECTLY IN HARM'S WAY.
19:59:32 THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS DENIED INITIALLY BECAUSE IT DID NOT
19:59:34 FOLLOW THE CITY OF TAMPA ZONING RULES AND SAFETY
19:59:37 REGULATIONS, BUT ALSO IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE TAMPA
19:59:41 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED TO PROTECT SINGLE-FAMILY
19:59:44 NEIGHBORHOODS.
19:59:45 OUR CURRENT COMMUNITY AND ITS MEMBERS CONTRIBUTE TO THE
19:59:48 OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ADDING THIS
19:59:50 DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO AGAINST THE VERY REASON THE
19:59:53 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CREATED.
19:59:55 AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY STANDING
19:59:58 NEXT TO ME, VIRTUALLY AND THOSE STANDING OUTSIDE, WE
20:00:03 CHOSE OUR CURRENT HOMES BECAUSE WE LOVE TAMPA, AND WE
20:00:06 LOVE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
20:00:08 WE HAVE CHOSEN TO ROOT OURSELVES IN THIS COMMUNITY TO
20:00:11 GROW OUR FAMILIES, FOSTER NEIGHBORLY FRIENDSHIPS AND TO
20:00:14 SUPPORT AND ESTABLISH LOCAL BUSINESSES.
20:00:17 WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT IS UNITED AND FOCUSED ON
20:00:20 IMPROVING OUR SURROUNDINGS FOR YEARS TO COME.
20:00:22 PLEASE VOTE NO AND HELP US CONTINUE OUR EFFORT TO MAKE
20:00:25 THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST NEIGHBORHOOD OUR FOREVER HOMES.
20:00:29 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
20:00:30 >> GORDON SCHIFF.
20:00:46 BEFORE I BEGIN AND THE CLOCK STARTS, I JUST WANT TO GET
20:00:50 SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU AND YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
20:00:53 I HAVE A MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF A MOTION TO DISMISS
20:00:56 THIS ACTION, AND FOR DENIAL.
20:00:59 IT'S TWO PARTS.
20:00:59 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS
20:01:03 ISN'T EVEN PROPERLY BEFORE YOU, AND THEN IF IN FACT THAT
20:01:08 IS DENIED, THEN I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN
20:01:12 WHY THE GENERAL AND SPECIFIC CRITERIA AREN'T MET AND WHY
20:01:15 THE WAIVERS SHOULDN'T BE GRANTED TO THIS APPLICANT.
20:01:18 BUT I CANNOT GO DO THAT IN THREE MINUTES, DUE PROCESS
20:01:22 SHOULD ALLOW ME TO SPEAK, BUT THE APPLICANT HAD 20
20:01:26 MINUTES OR SO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST BE HEARD ON
20:01:30 SOME PROCEDURAL ISSUES WHICH I THINK ADDS ABOUT TWO
20:01:33 MINUTES.
20:01:34 SO I NEED ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
20:01:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, HE HAD MENTIONED
20:01:38 DISMISSING THIS. WE THINK CAN'T DO THAT.
20:01:40 EITHER WE UPHOLD OR OVERTURN BASED ON WHAT'S BEFORE US,
20:01:43 CORRECT?
20:01:44 NOT LIKE A TRADITIONAL COURTROOM?
20:01:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S TRUE.
20:01:46 THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL.
20:01:48 SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE COUNCIL TO MY
20:01:51 KNOWLEDGE.
20:01:51 SO IF HE WISHES TO MAKE THE RECORD, HE CERTAINLY CAN.
20:01:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE WE GIVE HIM FIVE MINUTES.
20:02:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIVE MINUTES.
20:02:05 GO AHEAD.
20:02:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
20:02:05 >> AND I HAVE ONE FOR YOU AND THE CITY CLERK.
20:02:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER.
20:02:09 I'M CONFUSED HERE.
20:02:11 IF COUNSEL FOR PETITIONER IS ASKING US TO MOVE NOW
20:02:16 BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR
20:02:18 PUBLIC COMMENTS.
20:02:19 SO IS IT PROPER TO HEAR THIS NOW OR TO PROPERLY HEAR THE
20:02:23 GENERAL PUBLIC'S COMMENT FIRST?
20:02:26 I'M TALKING TO LEGAL.
20:02:27 I'M SORRY.
20:02:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THIS IS HIS TIME, IF HE WISHES,
20:02:32 HE CAN HOLD AND BE THE LAST SPEAKER.
20:02:36 THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE, I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
20:02:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE'S A FEW MORE SPEAKERS BUT THEN
20:02:40 WE HAVE REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT.
20:02:41 THEN WE CLOSE.
20:02:42 THEN WE DELIBERATE.
20:02:43 THEN WE MAKE A MOTION.
20:02:44 >> I CERTAINLY DON'T MIND WAITING UNTIL AFTER EVERYONE
20:02:49 HAS SPOKEN.
20:02:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN GO ALONG BUT PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN
20:02:52 THEIR TIME TO COME OUT AND BE HERE, THE LADY FOR THREE
20:02:57 HOURS PRIOR.
20:02:58 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN HEAR
20:03:02 WHATEVER.
20:03:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN THE MEANTIME MAYBE I CAN LOOK AT MR.
20:03:05 SCHIFF'S MOTION.
20:03:06 >> CERTAINLY.
20:03:07 AND MY POSITION IS WE ARE OBJECTING TO THIS APPLICATION
20:03:09 BUT WE WANTED FOR THE RECORD TO EXPLAIN THAT YOUR CODE
20:03:12 HAS SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT PEOPLE CAN DO WITH AN S-1.
20:03:16 AND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THEY ARE GOING BEYOND THE
20:03:18 SCOPE.
20:03:19 HE'S I JUST NEED TO PUT THAT FOR THE RECORD.
20:03:21 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:03:33 >> SORRY.
20:03:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, IF HE WANTS TO BE LAST TO
20:03:42 TALK ABOUT WHATEVER.
20:03:44 I JUST THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE
20:03:47 AND I THINK THEY WANT TO BE HEARD.
20:03:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET THE REGULAR FOLKS GO FIRST,
20:03:52 GORDON.
20:03:54 >>GORDON SCHIFF: THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
20:03:55 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY WE SEE IF MARTY IS SEEING THE MOTION
20:04:01 THAT WE SEE IT AS WELL?
20:04:04 >>GORDON SCHIFF: ABSOLUTELY.
20:04:04 I HAVE A COPY FOR EVERYONE.
20:04:06 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
20:04:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
20:04:08 SPEAKER 17.
20:04:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SCHIFF, YOU WILL GIVE
20:04:22 MR. MECHANIK A COPY, PLEASE?
20:04:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
20:04:26 >> NICHOLAS BURCH, 2313 EAST MINNEHAHA STREET.
20:04:31 I SENT SOME PICTURES IN THE E-MAIL BUT I THINK I WILL
20:04:35 JUST SHOW THEM ON MY PHONE.
20:04:37 THEY ARE QUICKER.
20:04:38 I AM GOING TO TALK A LITTLE LOUDER.
20:04:43 [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:04:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN SEE IT.
20:04:46 >> CAN HE USE THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD?
20:04:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU USE THE MICROPHONE?
20:04:54 THERE SHOULD BE ONE NEXT TO YOU BY THE SCREEN.
20:04:56 >> OKAY.
20:05:03 THERE WE GO.
20:05:03 ALL RIGHT.
20:05:04 SO THIS IS MY HOUSE.
20:05:06 OBVIOUSLY, I'M A BRAND NEW RESIDENT.
20:05:08 I HAVE ONLY BEEN LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SIX
20:05:10 MONTHS.
20:05:11 THIS HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AT THE END OF JULY, WE MOVED
20:05:14 IN.
20:05:15 SO I GUESS I CAN ECHO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY
20:05:21 SAID, BUT I OFFER THE PERSPECTIVE OF ONLY BEING THERE SIX
20:05:24 MONTHS, AND SEEING WHAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS DONE IN
20:05:27 REGARDS TO COMING TOGETHER, I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY BEEN
20:05:35 IMPRESSIVE TO ME AS BEING A NEW RESIDENT.
20:05:37 BUT I CAN ALSO SPEAK TO THE FACT OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON
20:05:40 THAT ROAD.
20:05:40 I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STATISTICAL ANALYSIS THAT THE
20:05:44 BUILDERS PROVIDED, WHICH IS NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT ACCURATE,
20:05:49 BUT AS SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID, IT'S NOT
20:05:53 REALITY.
20:05:53 SO I LIVE ON THAT ROAD, RIGHT ON THE CORNER, REALLY CLOSE
20:05:58 TO WHERE THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS PROPOSED FOR, AND I
20:06:02 HAVE SEEN THE WHEELCHAIRS, TAKING PICTURES OF PEOPLE ON
20:06:06 WHEELCHAIRS, PARENTS TRYING TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN HOW
20:06:09 TO SKATEBOARD DOWN THE STREET, AND I KNOW PEOPLE WANT
20:06:14 THAT, BUT I CAN SAY WITH ALL HONESTY THAT I WON'T EACH --
20:06:19 I WOULDN'T SAY I WON'T -- I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE MY WIFE
20:06:22 AND DAUGHTER NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT STREET BECAUSE I FARE
20:06:24 FOR THEM, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW.
20:06:27 WE WON'T WALK OUR DOG ON THAT STREET MAINLY BECAUSE WE
20:06:30 HAVE SEEN HOW MANY PEOPLE SPEED DOWN THAT ROAD, AND IT IS
20:06:33 GETTING BETTER.
20:06:34 I KNOW I HAVE ONLY BEEN THERE FOR SIX MONTHS BUT THE WORK
20:06:36 THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE, THE COMMUNITY LEAD VERSE DONE TO
20:06:39 GET STOP SIGNS, HAVE GOT TO -- NOW YOU TOLD THEM THEY
20:06:42 HAVE THE MILES PER HOUR SENSORS UP, AND IT'S GETTING
20:06:46 BETTER BUT IT STILL HAS A LONG WAY TO GO.
20:06:49 AND I THINK WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ALREADY ECHOED, THE
20:06:54 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S CONCLUSION BEFORE THE INITIAL
20:06:57 START OF THIS WAS THAT THAT ROAD JUST CANNOT HANDLE THE
20:07:01 TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY PRODUCED BY THIS
20:07:06 APARTMENT COMPLEX.
20:07:07 AND I UNDERSTAND ANYTHING CAN GO THERE, BUT I THINK WE
20:07:10 HAVE ALREADY KIND OF SAID THAT WE KNOW THAT -- WE DON'T
20:07:16 KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE, BUT WE BELIEVE AN
20:07:20 APARTMENT COMPLEX IS NOT SUITED FOR THAT AREA.
20:07:22 AND I CAN GIVE YOU FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE AS SOMEBODY WHO
20:07:25 HASN'T LIVED THERE FOR YEARS THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD IS
20:07:27 A REAL ISSUE.
20:07:29 ALSO SPEAK TO THE FACT ABOUT SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING.
20:07:31 WE BROUGHT UP THAT TOPIC.
20:07:34 I SOUGHT OUGHT THIS AREA.
20:07:35 MY FAMILY SOUGHT OUT THIS AREA FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING.
20:07:39 AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A 3-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, WE WANT TO
20:07:43 BRING OUR FAMILY UP, AND I WANT TO BRING MY FAMILY UP IN
20:07:47 A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS REALLY
20:07:51 PROMOTES SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
20:07:53 SO THE THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ECHOED.
20:07:56 I DON'T THINK I CAN ADD TOO MUCH MORE SO THANK YOU FOR
20:07:59 YOUR TIME.
20:08:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:08:01 NEXT SPEAKER, NUMBER 18.
20:08:06 >> MY NAME IS WILLEY LORENZO STERKS, ALSO KNOWN AS
20:08:25 SEBASTIAN LUTZ.
20:08:27 I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE IN TAMPA.
20:08:29 I WAS BORN HERE ACTUALLY IN TAMPA.
20:08:32 MY MOM BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE WHEN I WAS 17 YEARS OLD OFF OF
20:08:36 24th STREET.
20:08:37 I TRAVELED THROUGHOUT MY LIFE.
20:08:39 AND I HAVE ALWAYS COME HOME TO VISIT MY MOM.
20:08:43 BUT I NEVER SAW ANYTHING CHANGE ON THIS STREET WHEN THE
20:08:48 COMMISSIONS.
20:08:48 MY MOM WAS A POLICE DEPARTMENT, SHE WORKED FOR THE POLICE
20:08:51 DEPARTMENT IN TAMPA.
20:08:53 SHE THEN WORKED FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
20:08:56 WE LIVED IN ROBLES PARK AT THE TIME.
20:09:02 WHEN I CAME BACK HOME SHE SAID I AM GOING TO BUY A HOUSE.
20:09:05 I WANT MY SON TO BE BACK HOME WITH ME.
20:09:06 SO I MOVED BACK HOME WHEN SHE BOUGHT A HOUSE.
20:09:09 17 YEARS OLD, I WATCHED THAT HOW THE BE BUILT STRAIGHT
20:09:13 FROM THE GROUND UP ON 24th AVENUE.
20:09:15 AND I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE TELL MY MOM TOOK FAITH WHILE SHE
20:09:21 WORKED FOR THE CITY, FOR THE COUNTY, AS A SHERIFF'S
20:09:24 DEPARTMENT, AND I CAN'T TELL PEOPLE'S NAMES.
20:09:27 I WON'T PUT THE NAMES OUT.
20:09:29 I DON'T DO THAT.
20:09:30 BUT THEY TOLD MY MOM THEY WOULD PUT A SIDEWALK UP.
20:09:33 IN 37 YEARS I DON'T SEE ONE YET.
20:09:35 I'M HOME. I LIVE IN THE HOUSE NOW.
20:09:38 I JUST CAME BACK FROM CALIFORNIA.
20:09:39 CAME BACK FROM ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
20:09:41 AND I'M HOME NOW AND I STILL DON'T SEE ANY SIDEWALKS.
20:09:43 IT'S 37 YEARS I HAVE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE ON 24th
20:09:46 STREET.
20:09:46 IT'S A DAMN SHAME.
20:09:47 AND WE TORE DOWN CENTRAL PARK, TEAR DOWN ROBLES PARK,
20:09:55 TORE DOWN WEST TAMPA, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE NOWHERE FOR
20:09:58 THE PEOPLE TO LIVE BECAUSE WE BUILD THE SKYSCRAPERS UP,
20:10:05 BUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THAT AREA, THEY DON'T HAVE A
20:10:09 PLACE TO LIVE AND WE KNEW WHERE THE CROWD WANT WAS, IT
20:10:16 WANT ALL OVER TOWN WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO TO US.
20:10:19 IT'S WRONG.
20:10:19 WE DON'T HAVE A STREET BIG ENOUGH TO PUT SIDEWALKS, OR
20:10:22 PUT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND BARELY HANGING ONTO
20:10:26 LIFE.
20:10:27 WHEN YOU HAD A PLACE FOR THEM TO LIVE.
20:10:29 YOU NEED TO PUT A RECREATIONAL CENTER IN THAT AREA FOR
20:10:31 THE KIDS TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND PEOPLE CAN SIT AND TEACH
20:10:35 THEM HOW TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AND PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO
20:10:39 GO AROUND.
20:10:42 I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE KIDS -- I GOT KIDS IN THE
20:10:48 MILITARY AND WE GOT KIDS ON THE STREET KILLING PEOPLE FOR
20:10:51 DOING THE WRONG DAMN THING AND MR. SEBASTIAN LUTZ.
20:10:58 DON'T PUT IN THE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:10:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:11:01 NUMBER 19.
20:11:07 DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER NUMBER 19 OR IS THAT IT?
20:11:13 DO WE HAVE A 20?
20:11:18 WHAT'S THE LAST NUMBER?
20:11:21 OKAY, AND THEN WE WILL GO TO GORDON SCHIFF.
20:11:26 >> JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
20:11:28 WE DO HAVE THREE PEOPLE REGISTERED ONLINE WHO ARE
20:11:31 REGISTERED TO SPEAK BUT NOT PRESENT PHYSICALLY.
20:11:35 >> SUSAN, YOU WILL SPEAK AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE THREE
20:11:37 PEOPLE AND THEN GO TO GORDON.
20:11:40 YES, MA'AM.
20:11:40 >> GOOD EVENING.
20:11:44 I HAVE TWO E-MAILS FROM INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT
20:11:48 WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
20:11:50 >> OKAY, YOU HAVE TWO EXTRA MINUTES.
20:11:52 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
20:11:53 >> THANK YOU.
20:11:56 AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, I WAS BORN HERE IN TAMPA, AND I HAVE
20:12:00 CHOSEN TO MAKE THIS MY CITY.
20:12:03 AND I AM PROUD TO BE IN TAMPA.
20:12:07 I AM HERE TONIGHT FROM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AS WELL AS FROM
20:12:10 GRACE POINT, GREAT POINT HAS BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR
20:12:13 70-PLUS YEARS AND WE HAVE BECOME A PART OF THIS
20:12:17 NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:12:19 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH HOUSE BILL 1339.
20:12:23 AS YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT, I MENTIONED
20:12:29 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA LOOKING TO CHANGING ITS ZONING.
20:12:33 THEY ARE HAVING DISCUSSIONS.
20:12:34 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO TELL YOU THE
20:12:37 BEHIND THE SCENES AT 1339 THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR IN
20:12:41 THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, IT WAS SPONSORED BY A FOR-PROFIT
20:12:44 DEVELOPER WHO GOT TIERED OF RULES AND REGULATIONS AND
20:12:48 WANTED AN EASIER ROUTE TO BE ABLE TO FURTHER HIS BUSINESS
20:12:52 IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
20:12:56 IN ESSENCE, WHAT THIS HAS DONE IS UNLIKE IN OTHER
20:12:59 OCCASION WHERE IS THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE HAS DICTATED TO
20:13:01 LOCAL COMMUNITIES HOW THEY ARE TO IMPLEMENT A PARTICULAR
20:13:04 BILL, INSTEAD THEY DID THE RIGHT THING BY GIVING LOCAL
20:13:07 COMMUNITIES THE OPTION OF HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO
20:13:10 IMPLEMENT THIS, IF THEY WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT, WHICH I
20:13:13 THINK IS WONDERFUL BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY AND CITY
20:13:16 ACROSS FLORIDA IS VERY DIFFERENT AND IS VERY DIVERSE, AS
20:13:19 WELL AS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
20:13:25 SO FOR-PROFIT DEVELOPERS, IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY, THEY
20:13:27 WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ALL ZONING AWAY, IF THEY SAY THAT THEY
20:13:32 ARE DOING LOW-INCOME HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, OR
20:13:35 WORKFORCE HOUSING.
20:13:36 AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS ON THE ORIGINAL SITE
20:13:40 PLAN, LOW-INCOME HOUSING.
20:13:43 AS THEY STARTED TO RECEIVE A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK IT
20:13:45 BECAME WORKFORCE HOUSING.
20:13:47 AND THEY USE THOSE TERMS, INTERCHANGEABLY, SO I QUESTION,
20:13:52 WHAT IS THIS PROJECT REALLY?
20:13:54 IS IT JUST A DEVELOP SCHEME THAT WANTS TO PUT THE NAME
20:13:57 AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO EASE THEIR WAY?
20:14:00 SO I JUST CAUTION YOU TO SAY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE
20:14:03 THOUGHTFUL INTO HOW WE CONTINUE TO FURTHER AFFORDABLE
20:14:05 HOUSING AND WHERE WE LOCATE IT.
20:14:09 NOW, THE ORIGINAL FOR-PROFIT DEVELOPERS, THEIR GOAL IS TO
20:14:14 MAKE MONEY.
20:14:15 THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
20:14:17 THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS.
20:14:18 BUT WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE
20:14:21 TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS NOT JUST GOOD FOR
20:14:25 THE DEVELOPER BUT GOOD FOR COMMUNITIES, BUT ALSO GOOD FOR
20:14:28 THE INTENDED PEOPLE THAT WILL BE THERE.
20:14:30 LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPEN IF WE TAKE AWAY ALL ZONING
20:14:33 AND WE LET DEVELOPERS COME IN, IF THEY PUT THIS LABEL ON
20:14:38 THIS, AND IF IT'S EASY FOR THEM AND GIVE THEM VARIANCES,
20:14:46 IT'S IN PLACE INFORM A REASON.
20:14:47 SO IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN, IT WILL GO
20:14:51 WHERE LAND IS CHEAP, IT WILL GO WHERE IT'S EASY, WHERE WE
20:14:54 ASKED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE
20:14:56 THIS LOCATION?
20:14:56 WE WERE TOLD, BECAUSE WE GOT THE LAND CHEAP, AND WE
20:14:59 DIDN'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY OPPOSITION.
20:15:02 AND YES, IT WAS STATED THAT WAY.
20:15:04 TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:15:06 WHY IS THAT NOT GOOD?
20:15:08 WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF LOW-INCOME
20:15:11 OR AFFORDABILITY HOUSING, EVEN WORKFORCE HOUSING IN ANY
20:15:15 PARTICULAR AREA, LET ALONE IN A BLIGHTED COMMUNITY.
20:15:17 WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE CHOICE AND WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE
20:15:21 OPPORTUNITIES.
20:15:22 THE APPROACH TO DOING THIS TYPE OF HOUSING IS ANTIQUATED.
20:15:29 IT'S THE OLD MODEL. THAT'S WHY IN YOU ARE OH
20:15:31 NEIGHBORHOOD WE HAVE SUCH A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF THE
20:15:33 100% OF ONE TYPE SET-ASIDE.
20:15:37 NOBODY IS DOING 100% LOW INCOME, 100% WORKFORCE.
20:15:41 THE MODEL IS MIXED USE.
20:15:45 IT'S MIXED INCOME.
20:15:46 IN FACT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ISN'T EVEN DOING 100%.
20:15:50 THAT'S THE OLD MODEL.
20:15:51 THEIR MODEL NOW IS MULTI-
20:15:53 BECAUSE EVERYBODY DESERVES A RIGHT TO LIVE IN DIGNITY,
20:15:58 EVERYBODY DESERVES A RIGHT TO LIVE IN DIGNITY, AND IF
20:16:01 THEY ARE CONTINUALLY PLACED IN NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS OUR
20:16:03 NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB,
20:16:06 DOESN'T HAVE AFTER SCHOOL CARE, DOESN'T HAVE A REC
20:16:08 CENTER, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CITY PARK.
20:16:11 IT DOESN'T GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR CHILDREN, FOR FAMILIES
20:16:15 THAT SINGLE MOMS THAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO HELP.
20:16:18 WHAT IT DOES IS IT PUTS THAT FAMILY IN AN AREA THAT MAKES
20:16:21 IT THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
20:16:22 THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC.
20:16:26 WHEN ANYTHING HAPPENS AND THEY NEED TO REROUTE --
20:16:31 [BELL SOUNDS]
20:16:32 >> FIVE MINUTES.
20:16:34 >> OKAY.
20:16:36 SO ANYTIME YOU HAVE TO REROUTE TRAFFIC, IT DOES COME
20:16:38 THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN A HIGHLY CONGESTED.
20:16:41 SO TRAFFIC TIES BACK UP.
20:16:43 THE ROAD IS VERY NARROW.
20:16:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS YOUR TIME, MA'AM.
20:16:50 >> CAN I SUBMIT THESE?
20:16:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE, GO AHEAD.
20:16:54 >> HELLO.
20:17:02 I WANT TO SHOW THIS ONE PICTURE AT THE CORNER OF 22ND AND
20:17:05 MINNEHAHA.
20:17:06 THIS IS THE ENTRYWAY.
20:17:07 THE ADDRESS TO THIS PROPERTY IS 2411 EAST MINNEHAHA
20:17:12 STREET.
20:17:13 IF YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS THE CORNER, THIS ROAD RIGHT
20:17:17 HERE, I MEASURED IT MYSELF, IS NOT EVEN 17 FEET WIDE.
20:17:21 ON 24th STREET THERE ARE SEVERAL SECTIONS THERE THAT
20:17:24 ARE BETWEEN 17 AND 20 FEET ALONG THAT ROAD.
20:17:27 SO YOU CAN BARELY HAVE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, STANDARD IS
20:17:30 20 FEET ACROSS THAT ROAD FOR STANDARD EMERGENCY VEHICLE
20:17:34 THAT'S COMING THROUGH.
20:17:34 SO AGAIN, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STATED, IT'S NOT A
20:17:38 SAFE ROAD, AND TO ADD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OF 120 UNITS,
20:17:41 THAT WOULD ADD 300 TO 400 PEOPLE AND IT IS NOT A WALKABLE
20:17:45 NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:17:46 IT HAS A SCORE OF 6 OUT OF 100 FOR WALKABILITY SO IT'S
20:17:49 VERY CAR DEPENDENT.
20:17:53 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
20:17:54 I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO.
20:17:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:17:56 WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS THAT ARE REGISTERED ON LINE IF WE
20:17:58 CAN BRING THEM ON SCREEN, AND THE THREE SPEAKERS, PLEASE
20:18:01 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND SO WE CAN SWEAR YOU IN.
20:18:03 >> JIM CREW: PUTTING THEM ON THE SCREEN NOW.
20:18:08 THEY ARE SYLVIA GLOVER.
20:18:11 ALEXIS ZEPEDA.
20:18:13 AND LORETTA ROBINSON.
20:18:14 BRINGING THEM ON THE SCREEN NOW.
20:18:20 IF YOU WILL RESPOND TO THE WEB CAM REQUEST.
20:18:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
20:18:51 AND ONE MORE.
20:18:52 WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS.
20:18:53 LORETTA, SYLVIA, AND ALEXIS.
20:18:57 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
20:18:58 WE ARE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN.
20:18:59 LORETTA, THERE YOU GO.
20:19:00 >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH THE
20:19:06 WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
20:19:08 >> YES.
20:19:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
20:19:10 LORETTA, GO AHEAD.
20:19:13 YOU ARE MUTED.
20:19:13 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
20:19:15 LORETTA.
20:19:15 >> HELLO.
20:19:20 I'M LORETTA ROBINSON.
20:19:23 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
20:19:24 I THANK YOU, COUNCILMEN, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME
20:19:27 BEFORE YOU.
20:19:28 I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER
20:19:32 30 YEARS.
20:19:33 I HAVE SEEN BUILDERS COME UP, I HAVE SEEN HOUSES COME UP,
20:19:37 HOUSES BE TORN DOWN.
20:19:38 I CAN TRULY SAY AND ATTEST TO EVERY TIME I GO DOWN THAT
20:19:42 STREET, I HOLD MY BREATH WHEN I SEE CHILDREN WALKING DOWN
20:19:46 THE STREET OR THE ELDERLY, BECAUSE CARS ARE ZOOMING,
20:19:51 THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, BARELY ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO CARS,
20:19:55 ONE GOING EACH DIRECTION, TO EVEN FIT ON THAT STREET.
20:19:59 IT IS A SHAME AND A DISGRACE FOR US TO PUT 120 APARTMENT
20:20:06 BUILDINGS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:20:09 IT'S NOT FEASIBLE AT MINNEHAHA AND 24th STREET.
20:20:14 IT'S NOT FEASIBLE.
20:20:15 I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE OWNERS.
20:20:17 YOU KNOW, I HOPE YOU FIND ANOTHER PLACE.
20:20:19 BUT I'M ASKING OUR COUNCILMEN, THAT WE VOTED FOR AS A LAW
20:20:27 ABIDING CITIZEN, A VOTER AND TAXPAYER, TO DENY THIS
20:20:30 REQUEST AND UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL FOR
20:20:36 THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT GOING FORWARD.
20:20:39 I AM ASKING THAT EACH ONE OF YOU TO VOTE NO.
20:20:45 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
20:20:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:20:51 NEXT SPEAKER IS SYLVIA.
20:20:53 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
20:20:54 GO AHEAD.
20:20:55 >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
20:20:59 I'M SYLVIA GLOVER, HOMEOWNER AT 6602 NORTH 24th
20:21:04 STREET AT THE CORNER OF DIANA, WHERE THEY JUST RECENTLY
20:21:09 PLACED THE 4-WAY STOP SIGN.
20:21:13 WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE SWENSON GROUP AND I AM NOW EVEN
20:21:18 MORE TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT THESE APARTMENTS AS DESCRIBED
20:21:23 BY MR. HEDGES WILL NOT ENHANCE OUR COMMUNITY.
20:21:29 SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED WAS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF
20:21:33 LIFE.
20:21:35 WE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION,
20:21:38 OF THE SIZES OF THE APARTMENT UNIT, AND MORE CONCERNED
20:21:45 WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.
20:21:46 IT SEEMED LIKE THEY HAD NO REAL PLAN FOR KEEPING THESE
20:21:53 UNITS UP TO PAR.
20:21:55 IN FACT, WE ASKED THEM TO PLEASE GIVE US THE ADDRESSES OF
20:22:01 OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU PUT UP, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO
20:22:07 DRIVE BY AND SEE HOW YOU HAVE, HOW MR. HEDGES, HAS
20:22:12 ENHANCED THE COMMUNITY.
20:22:14 TO THIS DAY, CITY COUNCIL, NONE OF US HAVE RECEIVED THE
20:22:18 ADDRESSES OF THOSE OTHER APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
20:22:24 SO I BELIEVE AND AM MORE CONVINCED THAT THESE APARTMENTS
20:22:29 WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY, IN MANY, MANY WAYS
20:22:37 BUT ONE IS THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN AND OF OUR ELDERLY.
20:22:42 I SEE IT WHEN AFTER SCHOOL TIME I WAS ALMOST TO TEARS.
20:22:48 I SAW THERE WAS THREE CHILDREN, I BELIEVE THEY WERE
20:22:53 SISTERS AND BROTHERS, AND ONE OF THEM WAS VERY YOUNG,
20:22:56 GOING -- I'M SORRY, THEY WERE COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL.
20:23:01 AND I WAS JUST THINKING, I HAVE JUST WITNESSED SPEEDING
20:23:05 TRAFFIC AND HOW THEY JUST BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THE FOUR WAY
20:23:09 STOP, AND I'M THINKING, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE
20:23:12 THEIR LIFE HERE BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE.
20:23:15 CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE, LET'S NOT LET GOT TO THAT EXTENT.
20:23:20 WE NEED SAFETY FOR OUR SENIORS AND FOR OUR CHILDREN WHO
20:23:25 ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL.
20:23:28 THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC WILL BE GREATLY INTENSIFIED.
20:23:34 THESE SMALL, NARROW, THIS LOCAL ROAD CANNOT ACCOMMODATE
20:23:40 THESE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES.
20:23:44 SO, THEREFORE, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU HONOR, RESPECT
20:23:51 AND UPHOLD YOUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION, AND
20:23:58 PLEASE VOTE NO.
20:24:02 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
20:24:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:24:05 [ APPLAUSE ]
20:24:08 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
20:24:10 WHEN PEOPLE SPEAK, I LIKE TO HEAR THEM.
20:24:12 THANK YOU.
20:24:13 ALEXIS, YOU ARE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
20:24:15 THREE MINUTES.
20:24:15 >> MY NAME IS ALEXIS ZEPEDA, 6418 NORTH 24th
20:24:22 STREET -- 123th STREET, I'M SORRY.
20:24:25 I JUST MOVED HERE.
20:24:26 I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND WITHIN A MONTH OF
20:24:31 LIVING HERE, I KNEW NOT TO WALK MY DOG ON 24th
20:24:34 STREET.
20:24:36 SO THE INITIATIVES I HAVE SEEN THAT THEY ARE TAKING BY
20:24:41 INSTALLING THE EXTRA THINGS BUT OVERGRADE, I WOULD LOVE
20:24:47 TO SEE SIDEWALKS, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN ACTUALLY IS THE
20:24:52 REMOVAL OF ALL THE TREES, SPECIFICALLY THE FIVE MATURE
20:24:56 TREES.
20:24:57 I REMEMBER THE AWED YOU -- I AM A MEMBER OF THE AUDUBON.
20:25:00 SO I RECORD THE BIRDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY
20:25:05 BASIS.
20:25:05 WE HAVE OVER 45 DIFFERENT SPECIES THAT COME, INCLUDING
20:25:09 BALD EAGLES, OWLS, THAT USE THESE TALL MATURE TREES AS
20:25:16 THEIR NESTING SITES.
20:25:19 SO THAT'S ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS, AS WELL AS TRAFFIC.
20:25:21 AND I WILL BE REPEATING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN
20:25:24 SAYING. SO THAT'S IT.
20:25:26 THANK YOU.
20:25:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:25:28 THAT CONCLUDES THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS, CORRECT, MR.
20:25:32 CREW?
20:25:38 I THINK THERE WAS THREE TOTAL REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
20:25:41 IF I AM WRONG --
20:25:42 >> JIM CREW: THAT IS CORRECT.
20:25:44 YES.
20:25:44 >> VERY GOOD.
20:25:46 MR. SCHIFF, YOU ARE UP.
20:25:54 >>GORDON SCHIFF: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
20:25:58 FOR THE RECORD, GORDON J. SCHIFF, PA.
20:26:01 I REPRESENT MENTAL HEALTH DBA GRACE POINT AND DISTRIBUTED
20:26:06 TO ALL OF YOU A MEMORANDUM THAT SUPPORTS TWO THINGS.
20:26:11 ONE IS THAT THIS PETITION ON APPEAL IS APPEALING
20:26:15 SOMETHING THEY REALLY AREN'T IN A POSTURE, THEY EVEN HAD
20:26:19 A RIGHT TO APPEAL THE DECISION SHOULD STAND, AND I WOULD
20:26:23 LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHY, BUT THE SECOND PART IS THAT I HAVE
20:26:26 DEMONSTRATED, IT'S INTERESTING, THE APPLICANT WENT
20:26:28 THROUGH SOME OF THE STANDARDS, BUT THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH
20:26:30 ALL THE STANDARDS.
20:26:32 AND IF YOU READ THE MEMORANDUM, YOU WILL SEE THAT ONE OF
20:26:34 THE CENTRAL STANDARDS OF THIS IS ALL ABOUT SAFETY, AND
20:26:37 IT'S SORT OF INTERESTING THAT THEY TALK ABOUT IF YOU LOOK
20:26:40 AT SECTION D ON PAGE 5, THEY SORT OF DIVERT, GO INTO ONE
20:26:46 PARTICULAR THING.
20:26:48 THERE'S A STANDARD THAT SAYS, DUE CONSIDERATION SHALL BE
20:26:50 GIVEN AS TO THE ADEQUACY OF INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE
20:26:54 PROPERTY WITH PARTICULAR REFERENCE TO AUTOMOTIVE AND
20:26:57 PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
20:26:58 IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD FACTUAL TESTIMONY TODAY ABOUT THE
20:27:01 ISSUE OF AUTOMOTIVE AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, I CERTAINLY
20:27:05 WON'T REPEAT IT, BUT THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO
20:27:08 TESTIFIED TO THEIR ACTUAL EXPERIENCES.
20:27:09 SO I THINK JUST ON THAT ALONE, THIS HAS TO BE DENIED.
20:27:12 BUT LET ME START WITH MY REASON WHY THIS PETITION SHOULD
20:27:15 BE DISMISSED.
20:27:16 AND WHEN WE FILE THINGS WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE STATE
20:27:21 OUR BASES, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION THEY FILED,
20:27:25 EXHIBIT A-1, WHEN THEY FILED IT, IT SAYS, AND I GUESS I
20:27:29 CAN USE THE ELMO --
20:27:32 >>> GO AHEAD, SIR.
20:27:37 OVER THERE.
20:27:38 >> I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION -- AND THIS IS REGARDING THE
20:27:42 MOTION PART OF MY MEMORANDUM.
20:27:44 IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE -- OPPORTUNITIES TO
20:27:59 SPEAK, THERE IS NO MOTION PROCEDURE IN THE CITY CODE.
20:28:02 SO HE'S INVENTING A PROCEDURE, AND THEN I ASSUME THAT
20:28:06 MEANS BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE HIS ARGUMENT
20:28:10 TWICE, WITH DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF --
20:28:15 >>> WITHOUT ANY CHANCE OF REBUTTAL OR -- YOU ARE THE
20:28:18 APPLICANT.
20:28:18 YOU GET THE REBUTTAL TIME.
20:28:19 YOUR TEAM GETS A REBUTTAL TIME.
20:28:21 >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I THINK HE SAID WAS THAT
20:28:25 HE WANTED TO ARGUE FOR A MOTION TO DISMISS, AND THEN
20:28:29 SEPARATELY ARGUE HIS OBJECTIONS TO THE CASE, WHICH SOUNDS
20:28:34 LIKE HE'S JUST ASKING TO DO THE SAME THING TWICE.
20:28:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE END OF
20:28:38 PUBLIC COMMENT ONCE WE CLOSE THE HEARING IS UPHOLD THE
20:28:41 DENIAL OR OVERTURN THE DENIAL.
20:28:44 THERE'S ONLY TWO OPTIONS HERE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE
20:28:46 GENTLEMAN -- WE CAN'T JUST CANCEL THIS OUT RIGHT NOW.
20:28:49 WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
20:28:53 >>GORDON SCHIFF: I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
20:28:55 I DIDN'T INTERRUPT ANYBODY ELSE.
20:28:57 BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, IF YOU
20:29:00 LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND IT SAYS, ON THE
20:29:02 APPLICATION, THAT YOU HAVE READ THE CONDITIONS,
20:29:05 ET CETERA, AND THEY DO HEREBY QUARTERBACK A WAIVER OR
20:29:07 VARIANCE TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
20:29:09 THIS IS THEIR ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
20:29:11 THE NEXT LINE IS BLANK.
20:29:12 SO THEY DIDN'T EVEN REQUEST A WAIVER.
20:29:14 WHEN THEY FILLED OUT EXHIBIT C TO THE APPLICATION, AND IT
20:29:18 ASKS ABOUT WAIVER, WHERE WE NORMALLY WOULD PUT THE
20:29:20 SPECIFIC WAIVER REQUEST, THE SECTION OF THE CODE, AND ALL
20:29:23 OF OUR ARGUMENTS, ALL THEY PUT IS SEE ATTACHED SURVEY AND
20:29:28 PLANS.
20:29:28 SO THEIR ENTIRE POSITION IS THAT THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION
20:29:35 FOR A WAIVER, LOOK AT OUR SURVEY AND PLANS, AND THAT'S
20:29:38 REALLY NOT PROPER.
20:29:40 BUT IN THIS CASE, OUR FIRST ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS
20:29:43 PETITION IS APPEALING A WAIVER THAT WAS NEVER REQUESTED.
20:29:47 OUR ALTERNATIVE POSITION IS THAT EVEN IF THEY DID REQUEST
20:29:50 A WAIVER, YOU THEN LOOK TO THE SURVEY AND PLANS, AND THEY
20:29:54 REQUESTED OTHER WAIVERS.
20:29:55 IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS, THEY HAVE
20:29:57 TO TAKE OUT FIVE GRAND TREES.
20:30:00 THAT'S A WAIVER.
20:30:01 THEY ALSO WANT TO REMOVE IN EXCESS OF 90% OF THE TREES
20:30:06 ON-SITE.
20:30:06 THAT'S A WAIVER.
20:30:07 SO YOU HAVE AN S-1 APPLICATION THAT IS GOING BEYOND WHAT
20:30:10 YOU CAN DO IN AN S-1.
20:30:12 THIS S-1 YOU CAN ONLY ASK FOR WAIVERS OF SPECIFIC
20:30:15 STANDARDS UNDER YOUR CODE.
20:30:16 THAT'S WHAT YOUR CODE SAYS.
20:30:18 THEY ARE ASKING FOR OTHER WAIVERS, AND THE GOAL IS
20:30:22 OBVIOUS, THEY ARE GOING TO LEVERAGE THAT WAIVER YOU
20:30:25 GRANTED TONIGHT THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW YOU GRANTED
20:30:28 WHEN THEY GO TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AND THE
20:30:30 VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WILL HAVE THEIR FEET HELD TO THE
20:30:33 FIRE SAYING CITY COUNCIL APPROVED GETTING RID OF THESE
20:30:35 TREES.
20:30:36 SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
20:30:38 BUT THE FIRST POINT IS, I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY ASKED
20:30:41 FOR A WAIVER.
20:30:41 I THINK YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR A WAIVER IN THE CITY AND SAY
20:30:44 WHAT WAIVER YOU WANT.
20:30:45 YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, SEE OUR PLANS.
20:30:47 SO UNDER THAT SCENARIO, HOW DO YOU ASK TO REVIEW A
20:30:52 PETITION OR PRESENT A PETITION TO CITY COUNCIL SAYING THE
20:30:56 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING, WHEN THEY
20:30:59 DIDN'T EVEN ASK HIM FOR IT.
20:31:00 DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
20:31:01 SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST PUT THAT IN THE RECORD, AND I
20:31:04 WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH
20:31:07 MY MEMORANDUM BECAUSE MOST OF THE POINTS HAVE ALREADY
20:31:09 BEEN MADE.
20:31:10 BUT THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO PUT THAT --
20:31:13 [BELL SOUNDS]
20:31:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
20:31:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MADE A MOTION TO GIVE HIM FIVE.
20:31:20 EARLIER.
20:31:20 >> OH, YOU DID?
20:31:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU USE FIVE OR DID YOU HOLD IT
20:31:25 WITH MR. MECHANIK'S OBJECTION?
20:31:28 >>THE CLERK: I STOPPED IT.
20:31:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY?
20:31:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAS THAT A FIVE-MINUTE TIMER?
20:31:34 OKAY.
20:31:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID IT PAUSE DURING THE --
20:31:37 >>THE CLERK: IT DID.
20:31:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
20:31:46 BUT THEY ARE THE PETITIONER.
20:31:47 THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
20:31:48 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:31:54 >> I WANT IT TO BE FAIR.
20:32:01 HE HAD 20 MINUTES TO SAY --
20:32:07 >>LUIS VIERA: POINT OF ORDER, POINT OF ORDER, POINT OF
20:32:09 ORDER, MR. CHAIR.
20:32:10 IF I MAY.
20:32:11 WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S DECISION ON MR. SCHIFF'S TIME?
20:32:14 AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
20:32:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SCHIFF, WHAT DO YOU NEED, ONE
20:32:20 MORE MINUTE?
20:32:22 >>GORDON SCHIFF: ONE MINUTE.
20:32:24 AS STATED IN MY MEMORANDUM, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PATIENT
20:32:26 FAILS TO MEET THE SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR BECAUSE OF THE
20:32:29 STREET.
20:32:30 THERE'S ALSO NO RATIONAL BASIS FOR GRANTING OF A WAIVER.
20:32:34 IN FACT, THERE'S NOTHING OTHER THAN THE PRESENTATION AND
20:32:39 EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS THAT THE WAIVER IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
20:32:41 WITH REGARD TO THE SPECIFIC GENERAL STANDARDS, I JUST --
20:32:44 CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO 27-129 A-1, THIS DOES NOT ENSURE
20:32:50 THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAVED AND WELFARE SUMMARIZED IN MY
20:32:53 MEMO, 27-129-3 IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH N PUBLIC NECESSITY.
20:33:02 THE THIRD REASON, 27-129-A-4 DOES NOT COMMON GREAT THE
20:33:07 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IN FACT THEY DIDN'T SIGN SITE A
20:33:10 SINGLE GOAL OR PLAN OR POLICY TO SUPPORT THEIR.
20:33:14 D, 27-129-B-1 IS THE CRITICAL ONE.
20:33:19 THERE'S NOT AUTOMOTIVE SAFETY BY THIS APPLICATION IT
20:33:23 FAILS THAT STANDARD.
20:33:24 FINALLY IT DOES NOT CONTROL POTENTIALLY ADVERSE EFFECTS
20:33:26 SUCH AS 27-129 B-67 AND THAT IS A GENERAL STANDARD THAT
20:33:32 MUST BE MET WITH EVERY VARIANCE APPLICATION OF THIS
20:33:34 NATURE.
20:33:35 FINALLY, I HAVE SUMMARIZED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF LOW-INCOME
20:33:38 HOUSING, WHICH THERE IS NO DEFINITION, BUT THE ONE THING
20:33:42 I POINT OUT TO COUNCIL, THE SITE PLANS THAT'S BEFORE YOU,
20:33:45 ALL THAT THEY PUT, THE PICTURES THEY PUT BEFORE YOU, THE
20:33:48 STATEMENTS THEY MADE OF ALL THESE THINGS, THE STATEMENTS
20:33:50 THEY ACTUALLY MADE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I LISTENED, AND
20:33:54 NONE OF THAT IS IN THE SITE PLAN.
20:33:55 AND THAT'S WRONG BECAUSE THAT'S A SHELL GAME.
20:33:58 [BELL SOUNDS]
20:33:59 I REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR THE REASONS
20:34:02 STATED BY THE OBJECTORS.
20:34:04 THANK YOU.
20:34:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:34:05 [ APPLAUSE ]
17:25:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:34:10 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
20:34:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BEFORE YOU GO TO REBUTTAL, I THINK
20:34:14 WHAT MR. SHELBY WOULD PREFER, I HAD A QUESTION OR TWO FOR
20:34:18 STAFF.
20:34:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:34:22 MY SUGGESTION IS THAT COUNCIL ASK ALL OF THE QUESTIONS OF
20:34:25 ALL THE POTENTIAL PEOPLE THEY WISH TO ASK BEFORE YOU GIVE
20:34:29 THE PETITIONER THE LAST WORD ON REBUTTAL.
20:34:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
20:34:33 THIS WOULD BE FOR ERIC TO START WITH, AND THEN I WOULD
20:34:39 LIKE TO GO TO, I THINK WE HAVE TRANSPORTATION, JONATHAN
20:34:42 IS HERE.
20:34:45 TELL US A LITTLE BIT -- MR. SCHIFF BROUGHT UP AN UNUSUAL
20:34:56 PROCEDURAL OBJECTION.
20:34:57 HE SAID THEY DIDN'T EVEN RAISE THE WAIVERS AND, IN FACT,
20:35:00 THEY ARE ASKING FOR THREE WAIVERS -- OR POTENTIALLY FOR
20:35:04 THREE WAIVERS.
20:35:06 HOW DOES THAT IMPACT YOU FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE?
20:35:09 >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
20:35:14 THE PROCESS FOR SPECIAL USES, SPECIAL USE 1s HAS
20:35:20 HISTORICALLY IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY HAS DUE
20:35:24 TO THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL USES THAT COME BEFORE THE ZONING
20:35:28 ADMINISTRATOR WHERE THE APPLICANT IS NOT AWARE OF THE
20:35:32 PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.
20:35:33 THE MAJORITY OF APPLICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE SEEN COME
20:35:36 BEFORE YOU, THE APPLICANT DID NOT ASK FOR THE WAIVER.
20:35:39 THEY ASKED FOR INCREASE THIS, I WANT THIS KIND OF THING.
20:35:43 WE INTERNALLY WILL REVIEW THE REQUEST AND ISSUE APPROVAL
20:35:47 IF IT MEETS THE CODE OR DENIAL IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE
20:35:49 CODE.
20:35:50 THIS CASE, THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THE WAIVER, BUT IT'S
20:35:52 SOMETHING THAT WE STAFF-WISE WILL NOT APPROVE ACCESS ONTO
20:35:58 A LOCAL STREET WHEN COULD REQUIRE ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR
20:36:02 ACCESS.
20:36:03 EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T ASK IT, THAT IS THE BASIS OF
20:36:06 DENIAL.
20:36:06 BASIS FOR THE WAIVER.
20:36:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PROCEDURALLY, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL -- I
20:36:10 MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A MORE SOPHISTICATED PETITIONER,
20:36:14 YOU MIGHT EXPECT THEM TO.
20:36:16 PROCEDURALLY WE'VE SEEN THIS IN OTHER PETITIONS AND DEALT
20:36:20 WITH IT SIMILARLY.
20:36:21 >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
20:36:22 YES, SIR.
20:36:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S ALL I HAVE, ERIC, FOR YOU.
20:36:27 JONATHAN, HAVE YOU HAD -- ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THIS
20:36:31 PROJECT, THIS SITE, THIS STREET, THIS LOCATION, ANY OF
20:36:35 THAT?
20:36:37 >> JONATHAN SCOTT, TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING.
20:36:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TAKE THAT OFF FOR A SECOND.
20:36:43 I'M SORRY.
20:36:43 >> MY WIFE WON'T LET ME.
20:36:45 I'LL GET IN TROUBLE.
20:36:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY WIFE JUST TEXTED ME, TOO, ON THE
20:36:49 SAME ISSUE.
20:36:50 YOU HEARD MY QUESTION.
20:36:55 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE STREET, WITH THE LOCATION,
20:36:57 ET CETERA?
20:36:59 >> YES, SIR.
20:37:00 I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION.
20:37:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A
20:37:04 LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD TESTIMONY BUT YOU ARE THE
20:37:08 TRANSPORTATION EXPERT FOR US AND FOR THE CITY, HOW WIDE
20:37:15 IS THIS CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY?
20:37:21 >> THE ROADWAY I BELIEVE IS BETWEEN 18 AND 20 FEET WIDE.
20:37:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE PAVED ROAD.
20:37:30 >> THAT'S THE PAVEMENT.
20:37:30 I HAVEN'T MEASURED IT MYSELF.
20:37:32 LOOKING FROM THE MEASUREMENTS THEY BROUGHT AND TALKING TO
20:37:36 THE PETITIONER AND PEOPLE ABOUT IT, IT'S ABOUT THAT.
20:37:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE THERE SIDEWALKS ALONG THAT SECTION
20:37:43 OF 24th BETWEEN HANNA AND SLIGH.
20:37:45 >> THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS THERE.
20:37:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD
20:37:49 SIDEWALKS ON THAT SECTION OF 24th BETWEEN HANNA AND
20:37:53 SLIGH?
20:37:54 >> I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD.
20:37:56 I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ROOM.
20:37:57 THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
20:37:58 IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ASKED FOR SIDEWALKS
20:38:00 IN THE PAST, AND THEY WERE TOLD THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
20:38:03 ROOM.
20:38:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU FROM
20:38:06 AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO
20:38:10 HAVE --
20:38:11 >> I THINK IT'S TOO NARROW DOWN THERE.
20:38:13 THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY SPACE, FROM THE WAY I
20:38:15 UNDERSTAND IT.
20:38:16 THIS PROJECT, IF THEY WOULD COME IN, THEY WOULD BE ABLE
20:38:19 TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN.
20:38:23 IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE ROOM, THEY COULD PUT IT ON THEIR OWN
20:38:26 PRIVATE PROPERTY IF THEY NEEDED TO.
20:38:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S MINNEHAHA.
20:38:32 >> I'M TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE
20:38:34 DEVELOPMENT --
20:38:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER.
20:38:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOLKS, I CAN'T ASK A QUESTION IF YOU
20:38:40 ALL ARE TALKING.
20:38:41 I'M TALKING ABOUT 24th BETWEEN HANNA AND SLIGH.
20:38:44 >> THE WHOLE THING, YEAH, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM, THE
20:38:48 WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.
20:38:49 IT'S TOO NARROW FOR THE SIDEWALK TO GO IN.
20:38:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HEARD SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT SOME
20:38:55 WARNING BEACONS.
20:38:57 ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE IN THAT AREA?
20:38:59 >> I BELIEVE OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES HAD PUT UP A SPEED
20:39:05 SENSOR TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN SOME TRAFFIC.
20:39:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE'S ALREADY A CONCERN ON THE
20:39:11 TRAFFIC STAFF ABOUT EXCESSIVE SPEEDING AT THIS POINT.
20:39:15 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
20:39:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
20:39:19 AND THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS IN THE VICINITY, SLIGH AND
20:39:24 FOSTER?
20:39:27 >> YES.
20:39:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, JONATHAN.
20:39:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:39:33 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
20:39:37 >>ERIC COTTON: MR. CHAIR.
20:39:38 ERIC COTTON.
20:39:39 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
20:39:42 I DO WANT TO STRESS THE ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE
20:39:44 BROUGHT UP ARE EXISTING WHETHER THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS
20:39:48 THERE OR NOT.
20:39:49 SAFETY ISSUES EXIST TODAY REGARDLESS OF THE ACTION
20:39:53 COUNCIL TAKES TODAY, THE SAFETY ISSUES STILL NEED TO BE
20:39:55 ADDRESSED BY THE CITY.
20:39:56 IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HAS STARTED TO
20:39:58 ADDRESS THOSE WITH THE WARNING BEACONS.
20:40:01 THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE, WILL
20:40:06 CONTINUE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE.
20:40:07 ALSO, FOR THE VARIANCE CASE, THE VARIANCE CASE WILL ONLY
20:40:10 MOVE FORWARD DEPENDING ON THE ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL
20:40:14 TONIGHT.
20:40:14 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL MOVE FORWARD ON
20:40:16 THE VARIANCE TO REMOVE ANY KIND OF TREES ON THAT SITE IF
20:40:21 COUNCIL WERE TO DENY THE REQUEST.
20:40:22 IF COUNCIL OVERTURNS THE DECISION OF THE ZONING
20:40:25 ADMINISTRATOR, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD PROBABLY MOVE
20:40:27 FORWARD WITH THE VARIANCE.
20:40:28 JUST WITH THAT OUT THERE THAT THE VRB ISSUE IS REALLY NOT
20:40:31 RELEVANT SO MUCH TONIGHT AS IT WOULD BE -- THE WHOLE
20:40:34 SEPARATE PROCESS THAT WOULD GO BEFORE THE VARIANCE REVIEW
20:40:36 BOARD.
20:40:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:40:40 ANYBODY ELSE?
20:40:41 BEFORE I GO TO REBUTTAL, MR. MECHANIK.
20:40:47 >>DAVID MECHANIK: DAVID MECHANIK, FIRST, LET ME
20:40:57 APOLOGIZE.
20:40:58 I SHOULD NOT HAVE JUMPED IN.
20:41:00 I WAS CONCERNED THAT WE WERE GOING OFF THE RAILS THERE,
20:41:03 BUT I APOLOGIZE TO MR. SCHIFF AND COUNCIL.
20:41:10 WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
20:41:12 THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMENTS.
20:41:14 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, WHILE I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN
20:41:18 THE INITIAL APPLICATION AND THE PROCESSING OF THAT, MY
20:41:23 UNDERSTANDING, I'VE DONE A LOT OF S-1 APPLICATIONS.
20:41:26 IF THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES IN THE APPLICATION, THE STAFF
20:41:30 IDENTIFIES THAT, AND THEN LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT
20:41:35 MORE INFORMATION OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
20:41:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULDN'T WASTE YOUR TIME ON THAT.
20:41:44 ERIC ALREADY EXPLAINED.
20:41:45 >>DAVID MECHANIK: I JUST WANT TO SAY THEN I CERTAINLY
20:41:47 CONCUR WITH MR. COTTON IN HIS EXPLANATION.
20:41:52 IF THERE IS A TREE VARIANCE, THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE
20:41:55 ADVERTISED HEARING.
20:41:57 IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE SU
20:42:02 PROCESS.
20:42:02 SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT BEFORE YOU.
20:42:06 I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY THAT THE TESTIMONY REGARDING
20:42:13 TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC CONDITIONS WAS ALL ANECDOTAL AND
20:42:18 WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
20:42:23 ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS MENTIONED THAT WE INTENDED TO EXPAND
20:42:29 THAT PROJECT.
20:42:29 WE ASKED THE QUESTION OF MY CLIENT, MR. SWENSON SAID
20:42:33 EXPLICITLY HE HAS NO INTENTION OF EXPANDING THE PROJECT.
20:42:38 IF WE DID HAVE SOME INTENTION, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK
20:42:41 BEFORE COUNCIL BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS LIMITED TO WHAT WE
20:42:44 FILED, WHICH IS 120 UNITS IN A THREE-STORY BUILDING.
20:42:50 AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. YATES TO TRY AND
20:42:54 SPEAK TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS, AND THEN I THINK MR.
20:42:57 SWENSON WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK.
20:42:59 THANK YOU.
20:43:00 >> MICHAEL YATES.
20:43:01 PALM TRAFFIC.
20:43:02 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
20:43:03 I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS.
20:43:06 I KNOW WE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC
20:43:09 VOLUMES OUT THERE.
20:43:10 I WANT TO SAY WE USE AN INDEPENDENT COMPANY TO DO THE
20:43:13 DATA COLLECTION.
20:43:14 THEY ARE DONE WITH VIDEO.
20:43:16 THEY ARE DONE FOR ONE DAY, BUT THEY ARE DONE WITH VIDEO.
20:43:19 COMPLETELY SEPARATE COMPANY.
20:43:20 IT'S NOT US.
20:43:21 NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH US.
20:43:24 THEY GIVE US THE DATA.
20:43:27 THE DATA IS ACCURATE.
20:43:28 I FULLY BELIEVE I HAVE DONE VERIFICATION ON THIS DATA
20:43:31 COMPANY.
20:43:31 THEY ARE ACCURATE WITHIN 99%.
20:43:33 THEY ALSO DID PEDESTRIAN OBSERVATIONS AND BICYCLE,
20:43:38 WHEELCHAIR OBSERVATIONS OUT THERE.
20:43:40 DURING THE A.M. PEAK HOUR AND P.M. PEAK HOUR WE HAD ZERO
20:43:44 PEDESTRIANS AT 24th AND MINNEHAHA.
20:43:48 WE HAD OBSERVED FOUR WHEELCHAIR OR BICYCLES IN THAT SAME
20:43:55 TIME PERIOD.
20:43:56 THAT IS AT THE NORTHERN END WHERE WE ARE LOCATED.
20:43:59 NOT AT THE SOUTHERN END TOWARDS HANNA WHERE SOME OF THE
20:44:03 PICTURES YOU SAW WERE LOCATED.
20:44:07 AGAIN, THE TRIP-GENERATION DATA IS EXTREMELY ACCURATE.
20:44:11 I'VE DONE VERIFICATION STUDIES.
20:44:13 I'VE DONE PROBABLY OVER 2,000 TRAFFIC STUDIES.
20:44:17 AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND INDEPENDENTLY CHECKED A LOT OF
20:44:21 THE TRIP GENERATION DATA FOR OURSELVES IN FLORIDA, AND
20:44:26 THIS IS ACCURATE DATA.
20:44:29 THIS IS NATIONAL DATA.
20:44:31 IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED EVERY JURISDICTION.
20:44:35 IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY YOUR STAFF.
20:44:38 WE BELIEVE IT TO BE ACCURATE.
20:44:39 I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
20:44:43 BUT AGAIN, THE PAVEMENT WIDTHS, THAT IS ALL WITHIN THE
20:44:48 FLORIDA GREEN BOOK FOR DESIGN STANDARDS.
20:44:50 SO THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH THE PAVEMENT WIDTH OUT THERE.
20:44:56 THAT'S ALL I HAVE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT UNLESS YOU
20:44:58 HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
20:45:05 >>DAVID MECHANIK: WRAP UP AND WE APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S
20:45:08 FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION OF THE APPLICATION.
20:45:26 >> GOOD EVENING.
20:45:27 TY SWENSON, PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE.
20:45:30 I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHY MY FAMILY DECIDED
20:45:36 TO TRY AND DO THIS PROJECT.
20:45:40 MY BROTHER AND I, WHO IS BACK THERE IN THE CORNER, WE
20:45:44 GREW UP IN TAMPA.
20:45:45 WE'RE BOTH GRADUATES OF CHAMBERLAIN HIGH SCHOOL.
20:45:47 WE'RE USF GRADUATES.
20:45:51 BIG IN THE COMMUNITY.
20:45:52 I ACTUALLY HAVE MADE DONATIONS TO GRACEPOINT AND A FRIEND
20:45:57 OF MINE IS ON THEIR BOARD.
20:46:00 LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WOULD HIRE AN ATTORNEY WHEN
20:46:03 I REACHED OUT TO THEM BECAUSE I KNEW THEY WERE NOT VERY
20:46:06 HAPPY.
20:46:07 I SAW A COUPLE OF E-MAILS.
20:46:12 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
20:46:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STOP INTERRUPTING.
20:46:16 >> I IMMEDIATELY REACHED OUT WHEN I SAW THEY WEREN'T
20:46:19 HAPPY TO SOMEBODY I KNEW ON THE BOARD AND SAID HOW CAN WE
20:46:22 HELP?
20:46:23 THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
20:46:24 WE HELP.
20:46:24 THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE -- I
20:46:29 TELL YA, THERE ARE THREE SIGNS THAT CAME TO ME WHEN I WAS
20:46:32 WORKING ON THIS.
20:46:32 THE FIRST ONE WAS MAYOR CASTOR'S PLATFORM WHEN SHE WAS
20:46:37 RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
20:46:38 AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION.
20:46:39 THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.
20:46:44 NUMBER TWO, I WAS IN CHURCH AND THE BISHOP WAS TALKING
20:46:47 ABOUT THE GOALS OF THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE.
20:46:49 HE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
20:46:52 WHAT DO I DO?
20:46:53 I IMMEDIATELY SET UP AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE HEAD GUY ON
20:46:58 THE DIOCESE AND NOW I'M DOING 18-UNIT COMPLEX IN CRYSTAL
20:47:01 RIVER BECAUSE I'M HERE TO HELP.
20:47:04 THAT'S WHAT I DO.
20:47:06 I NOTICED THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE YOUNGER
20:47:10 GENERATION NOT GETTING INTO TRADES.
20:47:12 WHAT DO I DO?
20:47:12 I JOIN CAREER SOURCE TAMPA BAY AS A BOARD MEMBER.
20:47:15 SO I CAN HELP.
20:47:17 WE'RE HERE TO HELP.
20:47:19 I JUST WANT TO SHARE ONE LAST THING.
20:47:21 I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH BECAUSE I'M NOT A PUBLIC
20:47:24 SPEAKER BY TRADE.
20:47:27 I PULLED UP A BUNCH OF ARTICLES ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
20:47:31 TWO THAT I WANT TO NOTE.
20:47:33 THIS ONE IS ABOUT BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION AND HIS INCOMING
20:47:38 PLANS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
20:47:40 IN HERE, IT MENTIONS POSSIBLE HUD PICKS.
20:47:44 IT LISTS JANE CASTOR BECAUSE OF HER STANCE ON AFFORDABLE
20:47:48 HOUSING.
20:47:48 SO I THINK WE NEED TO TRY AND BACK UP THE MAYOR ON THAT.
20:47:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:47:53 >> ONE LAST THING, PLEASE.
20:47:55 NEWS ARTICLE FEW MONTHS AGO, ABC ACTION NEWS, A FAMILY OF
20:48:02 THREE THAT HAD BEEN RENTING A HOUSE FOR THREE YEARS,
20:48:07 DURING THE PANDEMIC THEY LOST THEIR JOBS, FELL BEHIND ON
20:48:11 RENT.
20:48:12 WHAT HAPPENS?
20:48:12 THEY GET EVICTED.
20:48:14 WHERE ARE THEY LIVING NOW?
20:48:15 IN A MOTEL ON BUSCH BOULEVARD.
20:48:22 LET ME LEAVE YOU WITH THIS.
20:48:22 JUST BECAUSE WE'RE LOW INCOME PEOPLE DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE
20:48:25 LOW PEOPLE.
20:48:26 WE'RE NOT CRIMINALS.
20:48:28 YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO MAKE A LIVING.
20:48:30 THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WORK HARD.
20:48:31 THEY GET UP, BUT WHEN THEY HELP, WHEN THEY NEED HELP, ALL
20:48:35 THE DOORS ARE SHUT.
20:48:36 WE'RE HERE NOT AS A HANDOUT, AS A HANDUP WITH AN OPEN
20:48:39 DOOR AND AN OPEN HEART.
20:48:41 I'D LIKE FOR EVERYONE TO GET ON BOARD AND HELP THE LESS
20:48:45 FORTUNATE PEOPLE.
20:48:46 THANK YOU.
20:48:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:48:47 THAT'S IT.
20:48:48 ALL RIGHT.
20:48:49 WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
20:48:52 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:48:54 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:48:55 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:48:56 ANY OPPOSED?
20:48:58 ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, WE CAN TAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME.
20:49:02 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:49:07 >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
20:49:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
20:49:09 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SENIOR ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.
20:49:13 I WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS BASED ON SOME
20:49:15 OF THE COMMENTS MADE IN THE RECORD.
20:49:17 THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS THAT REFERRED TO THIS
20:49:19 APPLICATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU THAT WAS PRESENTED TO STAFF
20:49:22 AS A VARIANCE.
20:49:23 SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE REVIEWING A SPECIAL
20:49:27 USE PERMIT APPLICATION, ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING
20:49:31 A WAIVER, IT IS NOT A VARIANCE.
20:49:33 SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THE CRITERIA AS
20:49:37 YOU KNOW FOR A VARIANCE ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM A SPECIAL
20:49:39 USE PERMIT.
20:49:41 SECONDLY, I BELIEVE I MENTIONED IT IN MY EARLIER COMMENTS
20:49:45 BUT THE PETITIONER DOES HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF THAT THE
20:49:48 APPLICATION OR THE REQUESTED WAIVER MEETS THE CRITERIA
20:49:51 FOR GRANTING A WAIVER.
20:49:52 AND COUNCIL SHALL GRANT WAIVERS IF COUNCIL FINDS THAT THE
20:49:56 APPLICATION AFTER GRANTING THE WAIVER IS CONSISTENT WITH
20:49:59 THE GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-129.
20:50:03 THOSE STANDARDS ARE ON PAGES 2 AND 3 OF YOUR STAFF
20:50:06 REPORT.
20:50:07 I BELIEVE MR. SCHIFF REFERRED TO THEM AS WELL EARLIER.
20:50:10 AND THEN MY FINAL COMMENT, BECAUSE THERE WAS A COMMENT
20:50:13 ABOUT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE LAY
20:50:17 WITNESSES HERE THIS EVENING.
20:50:18 SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AS WELL, THAT COURTS
20:50:21 HAVE FOUND THAT INDIVIDUALS WITH FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF
20:50:26 THE AREA OR THE VICINITY ARE QUALIFIED AS EXPERT
20:50:28 WITNESSES ADDS TO THE ISSUES THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AND
20:50:34 FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF.
20:50:36 THAT IS CONSIDERED COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BY THE
20:50:38 COURTS.
20:50:38 THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
20:50:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:50:44 [ APPLAUSE ]
20:50:44 [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
20:50:45 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:50:45 I HEARD YOUR VOICE FIRST.
20:50:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS
20:50:51 MOTION TO UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL.
20:50:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
20:50:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL
20:51:00 -- WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
20:51:04 COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT.
20:51:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, IS THERE A
20:51:11 BASIS?
20:51:13 MY SUGGESTION IS YOU DEFER TO THE GENERAL STANDARDS --
20:51:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, BEFORE YOU GO,
20:51:21 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:51:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS GOING TO ELABORATE PROBABLY ON THE
20:51:24 REASONS WHY COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTS TO DO THIS.
20:51:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MOVE TO UPHOLD THE ZONING
20:51:32 ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF THE SU-1 APPLICATION,
20:51:36 PETITIONER HAS FAILED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE PETITION IS
20:51:39 CONSISTENT WITH -- STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-132
20:51:44 AND GENERAL STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-129.
20:51:50 COMPLY SECTION 27-129.
20:51:53 THE USE WILL NOT -- PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL
20:51:57 WELFARE LOCATED WHERE PROPOSED AND DEVELOPMENT AND
20:51:59 OPERATE ACCORDING TO THE PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
20:52:02 USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE -- SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
20:52:06 ESTABLISH PRESENT OR ENCOURAGE MORE -- OR CAPITAL USES IN
20:52:10 SURROUNDING AREA.
20:52:11 LASTLY --
20:52:13 [INDISCERNIBLE]
20:52:14 CONTINUE FOR A WAIVER.
20:52:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:52:17 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
20:52:22 ANY DISCUSSION?
20:52:24 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:52:25 BEFORE WE VOTE, I THINK FOR A LOT OF US THIS IS A
20:52:30 DIFFICULT VOTE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING HERE
20:52:34 THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM SUPPORTS, EVERYBODY IN THIS
20:52:38 ROOM SUPPORTS.
20:52:39 I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE APPLICANT WHO JUST SPOKE.
20:52:45 IT'S TOUGH TO GET UP WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION AND
20:52:50 SPEAK FROM YOUR HEART.
20:52:51 I BELIEVE YOUR HEART.
20:52:52 I BELIEVE THE WORDS THAT WERE SAID, AND I THINK THAT'S
20:52:56 SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO SAY BEFORE A VOTE.
20:53:01 OBVIOUSLY, A GREAT JOB AS ALWAYS BY MR. MECHANIK AND BY
20:53:04 EVERYBODY WITH THE APPLICANTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY
20:53:07 WITH THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END, YOU SPOKE THERE
20:53:10 FROM YOUR HEART.
20:53:11 I BELIEVE YOU 110%.
20:53:13 I JUST GO BACK TO THE LOCAL ROADS ISSUE AND THAT'S WHAT
20:53:18 GETS ME, AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT I WON'T BELABOR BECAUSE
20:53:24 IT'S ALMOST 9:00.
20:53:25 I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
20:53:26 THANK YOU.
20:53:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
20:53:28 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR YOUR GOOD QUALITY
20:53:34 MOTION.
20:53:34 I JUST WANT TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT TO SOME OF THE
20:53:38 SPECIFIC EVIDENCE WE HEARD THAT SUPPORTS YOUR MOTION.
20:53:40 WE DID HEAR COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FROM THE
20:53:45 COMMUNITY WHO LIVE THERE, WHO TRAVEL THESE ROADS AND
20:53:48 ESPECIALLY 24.
20:53:50 THEY DESCRIBED IT AS A VERY NARROW, SPECIFICALLY A LOCAL
20:53:55 STREET.
20:53:56 OUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW THIS TYPE OF PROJECT TO EGRESS
20:53:59 AND INGRESS FROM THAT TYPE OF LOCAL STREET.
20:54:02 AND THERE'S A REASON FOR IT.
20:54:05 EXACERBATED, WE HAVE A CONDITION OF NO SIDEWALKS AND LOTS
20:54:12 OF PEDESTRIANS USING THE STREET ALREADY, SENIORS.
20:54:17 WE SAW PICTURES OF FOLKS IN WHEELCHAIRS, SENIORS, AND
20:54:21 CHILDREN WHO WERE USING THAT VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD
20:54:26 STREET.
20:54:27 THE PETITION -- AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA
20:54:32 COMPLETELY.
20:54:32 I SERVE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE,
20:54:36 WHICH IS GEARED TOWARD TRYING TO FIND APPROPRIATE
20:54:39 LOCATIONS AND FINANCING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
20:54:42 AND WE SHOULD ALL BE IN FAVOR OF THAT IN THE APPROPRIATE
20:54:44 PLACE.
20:54:45 BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THIS IS NOT THE
20:54:48 APPROPRIATE PLACE.
20:54:49 AND I'M SORRY FOR THE PETITIONERS AND MR. MECHANIK AND
20:54:51 HIS TEAM FOR THAT.
20:54:53 IT DOES NOT MEET THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA HAS POINTED OUT
20:54:56 BY STAFF.
20:54:57 THERE'S ALREADY SPEEDING ON THE ROAD, AS INDICATED BY OUR
20:55:02 STAFF.
20:55:02 WE PUT OUT WARNING BEACONS BECAUSE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT
20:55:05 THE SPEEDING.
20:55:06 THE ROAD IS TOO NARROW.
20:55:09 THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, EVEN THOUGH WERE A BIT CONFUSING,
20:55:14 CLEARLY INDICATE TO ME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN
20:55:17 ADDITIONAL AT LEAST 25, 30 PERCENT ADDITIONAL TRIPS PEAK
20:55:21 HOUR ON AN ALREADY OVERLY BURDENED ROAD.
20:55:26 SO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR YOUR MOTION, AND I
20:55:30 BELIEVE THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS IT COMPLETELY.
20:55:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, DID YOU WANT TO SAY
20:55:35 ANYTHING, SIR?
20:55:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, MY VOTE WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
20:55:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
20:55:40 GUDES.
20:55:40 THIS IS TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL.
20:55:42 A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER BOTH VERY WELL
20:55:47 ELABORATED ON.
20:55:48 ROLL-CALL VOTE PLEASE.
20:55:51 >>THE CLERK: MANISCALCO.
20:55:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I VOTE IN FAVOR, YES.
20:55:56 >>THE CLERK: MIRANDA?
20:55:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:55:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
20:56:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
20:56:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:56:02 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:56:03 >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING
20:56:05 ABSENT.
20:56:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TEN-MINUTE
20:56:09 RECESS.
20:56:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL THE
20:56:14 60 E-MAILS I RECEIVED IN THIS CASE.
20:56:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM
20:56:17 COUNCILMAN CITRO WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
20:56:18 DINGFELDER.
20:56:20 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:56:21 AYE.
20:56:21 ANY OPPOSED?
20:56:22 GREAT WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 9:05.
20:56:25 [RECESS]
21:14:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
21:14:37 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
21:14:40 GUDES?
21:14:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
21:14:41 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
21:14:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
21:14:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
21:14:45 >>THE CLERK: MIRANDA?
21:14:46 MANISCALCO?
21:14:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
21:14:48 ITEM NUMBER 6.
21:14:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO WE HAVE TO SWEAR IN THE PEOPLE FOR
21:14:57 ITEM 6?
21:14:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU ARE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 6
21:15:01 THROUGH 10, PLEASE STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND
21:15:04 WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
21:15:06 [OATH ADMINISTERED]
21:15:10 >> IS IT POSSIBLE THEY CAN TURN IT DOWN OUTSIDE?
21:15:14 THERE'S A BIG ECHO COMING IN.
21:15:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:15:23 GO AHEAD, SIR.
21:15:25 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
21:15:26 RYAN MANASSE WITH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:15:28 ITEM NUMBER 6 IS FILE REZ 20-80 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED
21:15:34 AT 815 SOUTH ROME AVENUE.
21:15:36 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS REZONING FROM RS-50 RESIDENTIAL
21:15:38 SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD FOR BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
21:15:41 I WILL DEFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR REPORT.
21:15:44 IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RETURN TO ME SO I CAN FINISH MINE.
21:15:49 >> THIS IS DANNY COLLINS.
21:15:51 CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN?
21:16:07 >> ALL RIGHT.
21:16:07 GO AHEAD. WE CAN SEE IT.
21:16:07 >> THIS IS DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
21:16:10 STAFF.
21:16:11 I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.
21:16:12 OUR FIRST CASE IS IN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT,
21:16:14 MORE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THAT HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
21:16:22 THE CLOSEST PUBLIC RECREATION FACILITIES ARE ANDERSON
21:16:25 PARK AND KATE JACKSON COMMUNITY CENTER LOCATED DIRECTLY
21:16:28 TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
21:16:29 THE CLOSEST TRANSIT STOP IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 3400
21:16:35 FEET TO THE NORTH-NORTHWEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
21:16:37 THE SITE IS WITHIN THE LEVEL C EVACUATION ZONE.
21:16:41 HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND THE
21:16:48 SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
21:16:49 SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN THE PURPLE COLOR AT THE
21:16:52 NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BRISTOL AVENUE AND SOUTH ROME
21:16:55 AVENUE.
21:16:56 YOU'LL SEE THE SUBJECT SITE SURROUNDED BY PREDOMINANTLY
21:17:01 RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT
21:17:03 SITE.
21:17:04 THIS AREA TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE IS HYDE PARK
21:17:07 VILLAGE.
21:17:08 THEN THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES ALSO TO THE SOUTH AND
21:17:12 SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
21:17:14 HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
21:17:17 AGAIN, THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN THIS PURPLE COLOR.
21:17:21 IT'S CURRENTLY UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE
21:17:24 DESIGNATION.
21:17:25 CURRENTLY SUBJECT SITE CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR TWO
21:17:28 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
21:17:31 THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL 10 TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE
21:17:36 SUBJECT SITE.
21:17:37 DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH IS LAND DESIGNATED FOR RECREATION
21:17:41 OPEN SPACE.
21:17:42 AND THEN THIS AREA TO THE NORTHEAST AND EAST OF THE
21:17:46 SUBJECT SITE IS UNDER THAT CMU-35 DESIGNATION.
21:17:50 THE APPLICANT IS UTILIZING ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE
21:17:57 THROUGH THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS PROCESS.
21:17:59 THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 6904 SQUARE FOOT
21:18:03 NONRESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
21:18:06 UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, ALL
21:18:10 NEIGHBORHOODS SERVING COMMERCIAL OR OFFICE USES ARE TO
21:18:13 MEET COMMERCIAL LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
21:18:16 CONSIDERATION OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL
21:18:18 10 CATEGORY, SUBJECT SITE IS TO BE LOCATED ON BLOCK FACE
21:18:21 WITH THE PRESENCE OF 50% OR MORE OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL
21:18:25 ZONING.
21:18:26 THIS BLOCK, THOUGH ADJACENT TO HYDE PARK VILLAGE, DOES
21:18:29 NOT CONTAIN ANY NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING AND THEREFORE THE
21:18:32 REQUEST DOES NOT MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
21:18:38 ANOTHER CONCERN IDENTIFIED BY PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF,
21:18:40 IF THE REQUEST IS APPROVED, THE PROPERTIES LOCATED TO THE
21:18:42 WEST OF THE SUBJECT SIDE AND I'M REFERENCING THESE TWO
21:18:46 PARCELS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE SITE ON WEST BRISTOL
21:18:50 AVENUE WOULD POTENTIALLY MEET COMMERCIAL LOCATIONAL
21:18:54 CRITERIA.
21:18:54 THIS REZONING WOULD SIGNIFY A WEAKENING OF SOME OF THE
21:18:57 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION POLICIES.
21:19:00 ADDITIONALLY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENCOURAGES WHERE
21:19:02 FEASIBLE COMMERCIAL ACCESS FROM AN ADJACENT ALLEY OR
21:19:05 PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD.
21:19:06 THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY WILL REMOVE AT LEAST
21:19:08 ONE, IF NOT MORE, ON-STREET PARKING SPOTS FROM WEST
21:19:11 BRISTOL AVENUE.
21:19:13 OVERALL, THOUGH THE SUBJECT SITE IS UNIQUELY SITUATED
21:19:16 WITH THE CURRENT ORIENTATION TOWARD HYDE PARK VILLAGE,
21:19:19 THE RESIDENTIAL 10 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS TO BE
21:19:22 PRIMARILY USED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
21:19:25 IN CONSIDERATION OF COMMERCIAL USES ARE EXTREMELY LIMITED
21:19:28 IN AN EFFORT TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FROM
21:19:31 COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT.
21:19:33 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE
21:19:35 PROPOSED REZONING OPENS THE DOOR FOR POTENTIAL FURTHER
21:19:37 ENCROACHMENT FOR COMMERCIAL USES IN THE HISTORIC HYDE
21:19:40 PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:19:41 BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION
21:19:44 STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF
21:19:46 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
21:19:47 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
21:19:48 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
21:19:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
21:19:53 GENTLEMAN?
21:19:53 IF NOT, MR. MANASSE.
21:19:55 >>RYAN MANASSE: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:19:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT.
21:20:00 GO AHEAD, SIR.
21:20:02 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:20:05 AGAIN, THE PROPERTY AT 815 SOUTH ROME AVENUE IS
21:20:07 REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM RS 50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY
21:20:10 TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR THE
21:20:12 6,904-SQUARE-FOOT BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USE.
21:20:16 PROVIDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 1, THEY ARE
21:20:18 REQUESTING THREE WAIVERS.
21:20:19 THE PROJECT PROPOSES A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE WITH VEHICULAR
21:20:23 ACCESS TO THE SOUTH ON WEST BRISTOL AVENUE AND THE
21:20:28 STRUCTURE IS ORIENTATED WITH PEDESTRIAN ENTRY ON THE
21:20:31 EAST, SOUTH ROME AVENUE WITH PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK
21:20:33 CONNECTIONS PROPOSED.
21:20:35 SURFACE PARKING IS PROPOSED ON THE WEST WITH PEDESTRIAN
21:20:37 CONNECTIONS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
21:20:39 THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE
21:20:41 SOUTH ROME AVENUE AND WEST BRISTOL AVENUE INTERSECTIONS.
21:20:45 BEFORE I GET INTO MY NEXT PRESENTATION, I WANTED TO GIVE
21:20:48 YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT
21:20:50 RIGHTS.
21:20:50 IT COMES DIRECTLY FROM SECTION 27-141.
21:20:54 THE INTENT TO TRANSFER THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS OR TDR, AS
21:20:58 WE CALL IT, ALLOWS FOR THE TRANSFER OF UNUSED DEVELOPMENT
21:21:00 RIGHTS FROM PROPERTIES WHICH ARE INTENDED TO BE PRESERVED
21:21:02 TO DESIGNATED RECEIVING AREAS.
21:21:05 THE TDR PROGRAM USES MARKET FORCES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
21:21:09 INCENTIVES FOR PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY
21:21:11 ALLOWING DEVELOPERS THE RIGHT TO ACQUIRE DEVELOPMENT
21:21:13 RIGHTS THAT CAN BE USED TO INCREASE DEVELOPMENT AT A
21:21:17 SUITABLE LOCATION.
21:21:19 WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS APPLICATION IS REQUESTING
21:21:22 THAT.
21:21:22 I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE INTENT FROM OUR CODE BECAUSE
21:21:24 THIS IS RELATIVELY NEWER ITEM THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN
21:21:27 IN THESE LAST COUPLE OF REZONINGS.
21:21:31 WITH THIS SPECIFIC REZONING, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING
21:21:33 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS PART OF THE TDR PROGRAM IN
21:21:36 ACCORDANCE WITH 27-141.
21:21:38 THE SITE DOES HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF
21:21:41 R-10 WHICH ALLOWS DEVELOPMENT UP TO .35 F.A.R. OR 4,387
21:21:47 SQUARE FEET.
21:21:48 THE PROPOSED BUILDING BEFORE YOU IS REQUESTING 6,904
21:21:53 SQUARE FEET OR A .55 F.A.R.
21:21:57 INCLUDES THE SITE RECEIVING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS
21:21:59 TRANSFERRED OF 2,517 SQUARE FEET OR .20 F.A.R.
21:22:04 THE SITE -- THERE IS A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS
21:22:11 ALLUDING TO THAT TDR RIGHT BEING TRANSFERRED.
21:22:14 AS FAR AS STAFF IS AWARE AND THE AGENT MAY BE ABLE TO
21:22:17 EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER IN THEIR PRESENTATION, BUT THEY
21:22:19 WOULD HAVE TO FIND THE APPROPRIATE TRANSFERRING SITES FOR
21:22:22 THE SITE TO RECEIVE THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO BUILD
21:22:24 THAT ADDITIONAL 2,517 SQUARE FEET.
21:22:27 THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE HYDE PARK LOCAL DISTRICT
21:22:31 IN THE HYDE PARK URBAN VILLAGE.
21:22:33 THE PROPERTY RECEIVED RECENT ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
21:22:36 COMMISSION, ARC APPROVAL, ARC 20-401 AND WAS APPROVED ON
21:22:42 NOVEMBER 4, 2020.
21:22:43 THE APPLICANT WAS DIRECTED BY STAFF TO GO BACK BEFORE THE
21:22:46 ARC TO ENSURE THE COMMISSION RECEIVED CLARIFICATION
21:22:50 REGARDING THE UTILIZATIONS OF THE TDR.
21:22:53 THE CASE WAS HEARD AGAIN JANUARY 6, 2021, WITH
21:22:57 CONSIDERATION INCLUDING INCORPORATING TDR LANGUAGE AS
21:22:59 PART OF THE PRESENTATION AND WAS APPROVED WITH THE
21:23:04 FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
21:23:04 TWO BOLD ITEMS ON PAGE 2 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
21:23:07 THE FINAL SOLUTION OF THE HISTORIC RETAINING WALL BE
21:23:10 APPROVED DURING ARC APPROVAL PROCESS AND THE FINAL
21:23:13 SOLUTION FOR THE SOLID WASTE BUFFERING BE PROVIDED.
21:23:14 THE SETBACKS FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ARE NORTH 7 FEET,
21:23:18 SOUTH 7 FEET, EAST 10 FEET, AND WEST 25 FEET.
21:23:22 THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS PROPOSED AT 35 FEET, AND
21:23:25 THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY THE PD ZONING DISTRICT TO
21:23:28 THE NORTH WITH TOWNHOME USE.
21:23:30 RS 50 ZONING DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH WITH A PARK USE AND
21:23:33 THE WEST WITH SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED USE.
21:23:36 AND THEN THE PD ZONING DISTRICT TO THE EAST FOR THE HYDE
21:23:38 PARK VILLAGE.
21:23:40 THIS OVERALL DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES 23 PARKING SPACES AND
21:23:44 THERE ARE 16 SPACES BEING PROVIDED.
21:23:47 ONE OF THOSE THREE WAIVERS BEING THE PARKING REDUCTION
21:23:49 WAIVER FROM 23 SPACES TO 16, WHICH IS A 30% REDUCTION.
21:23:53 ON SCREEN THAT I HAVE UP HERE IS JUST THE OUTLINED AREA
21:23:58 IN RED.
21:23:59 HERE IS HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
21:24:01 AND THEN YOU CAN SEE BRISTOL AVENUE HERE.
21:24:06 I'LL SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
21:24:09 NORTH END OF THE SITE ON ROME.
21:24:15 THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE ON BRISTOL.
21:24:20 THAT'S LOOKING NORTH.
21:24:22 SOUTH END OF THE SITE ENTRANCE ONTO ROME.
21:24:26 THIS IS THE WEST END OF THE SITE, ENTRANCE OFF THE ALLEY.
21:24:32 NORTH OF THE SITE.
21:24:35 NORTHEAST OF THE SITE.
21:24:38 THAT'S GETTING INTO THE HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
21:24:41 SOUTH OF THE SITE.
21:24:45 DIRECTLY EAST, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING GARAGE AND THEN
21:24:48 THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF HYDE PARK VILLAGE ACROSS SNOW.
21:24:52 WEST ON BRISTOL.
21:24:54 THAT'S A VIEW LOOKING SOUTH ON ROME.
21:24:56 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
21:25:01 THE APPLICATION, AND WE FOUND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT
21:25:03 WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
21:25:05 IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE REFER TO THE FINDINGS BY
21:25:09 TRANSPORTATION IN RELATION TO THE REQUESTED PARKING
21:25:12 REDUCTION WAIVER.
21:25:13 IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS
21:25:15 APPLICATION WITH THE WAIVERS, THERE ARE MODIFICATIONS
21:25:17 THAT ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THE
21:25:19 ORDINANCE.
21:25:19 I HAVE PROVIDED A REVISION SHEET IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
21:25:23 IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION, IF
21:25:25 APPROVED.
21:25:25 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
21:25:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS
21:25:29 TIME?
21:25:30 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
21:25:33 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
21:25:37 HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT WAS IT
21:25:42 BEFORE AND IS THAT RELEVANT?
21:25:46 >>RYAN MANASSE: LET ME SEE IF I CAN TELL YOU.
21:25:48 IT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 8.
21:25:53 SO IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED RS 50 AND IT WAS R 1 A UNDER
21:25:57 CHAPTER 43 WHICH WAS OUR PREVIOUS CODE.
21:25:59 IT'S BEEN RESIDENTIAL.
21:26:02 AS FAR AS IT BEING RELEVANT, THE LAND USE CATEGORY ALLOWS
21:26:05 THE REQUEST TO BE BEFORE YOU FOR THIS REZONING TO
21:26:08 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
21:26:10 >>BILL CARLSON: IT WAS NEVER ZONED COMMERCIAL?
21:26:12 IT NEVER ALLOWED -- THAT SPACE NEVER ALLOWED COMMERCIAL?
21:26:16 >>RYAN MANASSE: FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, NO.
21:26:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:26:22 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
21:26:23 HEARING NONE, SEEING NONE.
21:26:27 APPLICANT?
21:26:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, RYAN, THE ONLY
21:26:36 STAFF OBJECTION IS RELATED TO THE PARKING -- THE
21:26:40 REDUCTION IN PARKING FROM 23 SPACES TO 16 SPACES?
21:26:44 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
21:26:45 RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:26:48 PAGE 7 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, YOU'LL SEE THE AGENCIES THAT
21:26:52 REVIEW ON THE LEFT-HAND COLUMN.
21:26:53 THERE ARE SOME SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS.
21:26:56 WHERE WE'RE FOCUSING INCONSISTENCY WITH THE OVERALL
21:26:58 DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FROM TRANSPORTATION.
21:26:59 THAT'S MAINLY FOR THE PARKING REDUCTION WAIVER.
21:27:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S SORT OF KIND OF AN AUTOMATIC
21:27:08 MOVE ON THE PART OF STAFF THAT I'M SEEING, RIGHT?
21:27:11 MOST OF THE TIME, IF THERE'S A REQUEST FOR PARKING
21:27:15 REDUCTION, STAFF KIND OF JUST THROWS IT IN AS
21:27:18 INCONSISTENT, RIGHT?
21:27:20 >>RYAN MANASSE: FROM TRANSPORTATION IT MAY BE
21:27:22 INCONSISTENT AS FAR AS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
21:27:24 COMPLIANCE STAFF WILL LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECT.
21:27:26 THIS IS A HIGHER REDUCTION.
21:27:28 MAYBE IF THERE ARE A FEW SPACES, STAFF MAY BE BEHIND IT.
21:27:32 BUT WITH THAT TYPE OF PARKING REDUCTION AND OVERALL, IT'S
21:27:36 BASICALLY THE FINDINGS OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
21:27:38 COMPLIANCE STAFF.
21:27:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
21:27:44 >>TRUETT GARDNER: 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
21:27:47 WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MEMOS THAT TYLER HUDSON WILL HAND OUT
21:27:51 FOR YOU TO REFERENCE.
21:27:52 WE'LL BE BRIEF IN OUR PRESENTATION, GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE
21:27:55 BEEN THROUGH.
21:27:55 A COUPLE OF MATTERS TO ADDRESS UP AT THE TOP THAT WERE
21:27:59 GIVEN IN THOSE REPORTS.
21:28:01 JOHN, TO YOUR QUESTION, YES, THE ONLY OPPOSITION OR
21:28:05 INCONSISTENCY IS DUE TO THAT PARKING REDUCTION.
21:28:09 BUT WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR ONE USE AND ONE USE ONLY AND
21:28:12 THAT'S BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS GOING TO BE AN
21:28:15 OFFICE FOR JOHN TOUCHTON AND HIS WIFE.
21:28:18 IN TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DID NOT WANT A
21:28:22 LARGE PARKING FIELD.
21:28:24 THEY WANTED IT TO BE TAILORED TO THIS USE.
21:28:27 YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM MS. BAILEY TONIGHT, PROBABLY, THAT
21:28:30 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD
21:28:32 SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN OVERABUNDANCE OF PARKING,
21:28:35 ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAW IMMEDIATELY TO THE
21:28:37 EAST, WHICH IS THE LARGE PARKING DECK FROM HYDE PARK
21:28:39 VILLAGE.
21:28:40 THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO ADDRESS AT THE TOP IS THE
21:28:43 INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S REPORT
21:28:47 ON THE R 10 AND THE FINDING OF INCONSISTENCY AS WELL AS
21:28:50 THE TDR WHICH IS NOVEL, AND I THOUGHT I MIGHT SPEND A
21:28:55 MINUTE ON THAT.
21:28:56 SO WITH THIS SITE, IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITE IN THAT IT
21:29:00 SITS REALLY AT THE TERMINUS OF HYDE PARK VILLAGE AND THE
21:29:04 CONFLUENCE OF A COUPLE OF ROADS.
21:29:06 IT CARRIES WITH IT THE R-10 DESIGNATION BECAUSE OF THAT
21:29:09 BLOCK FACE ONCE YOU GET AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE, WHICH IS
21:29:12 ALL SINGLE-FAMILY, AND, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE PLANNING
21:29:16 COMMISSION'S REPORT, IT DOES NOT ALLOW TO YOU LOOK AT THE
21:29:18 CONTEXT OF THE AREA, JUST THAT BLOCK FACE ALONE.
21:29:21 SO WITH THIS, WE'RE ASKING FOR UNDER 7,000 SQUARE FEET OF
21:29:25 AN OFFICE BUILDING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A VERY INTENSE
21:29:29 REGIONAL ATTRACTOR IN HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
21:29:32 WE FEEL IT'S A GREAT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER BETWEEN THAT
21:29:35 VILLAGE AND THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND.
21:29:37 SO OUR OPTIONS IN TRYING TO GET THIS ADDITIONAL 2,000,
21:29:42 2500 SQUARE FEET, EITHER, A, DO A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT,
21:29:46 WHICH WOULD PROVIDE NO PROTECTION IN THE EVENT MR.
21:29:48 TOUCHTON DIDN'T GO FORWARD OR B, LOOK FOR SOMETHING MORE
21:29:52 SURGICAL, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY -- IT'S BEEN IN YOUR CODE
21:29:55 FOR FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS NOW, SINCE 2016 IS THIS TDR
21:29:59 PROVISION.
21:30:01 I BELIEVE WE'RE THE FIRST TO ACTUALLY USE IT.
21:30:06 WHAT I'VE SHOWN HERE, YOU'LL SEE THE SMALLER STRUCTURE ON
21:30:22 THE RIGHT WITH THE SPACE ABOVE.
21:30:26 THAT'S THE SENDING SITE.
21:30:28 SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN HISTORIC STRUCTURE, LET'S SAY AN OLD
21:30:32 CHURCH THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESERVED AND THEY HAVE
21:30:35 ADDITIONAL DENSITY THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE,
21:30:40 THEY CAN TRANSFER THOSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO ANOTHER
21:30:42 SITE THAT'S THE RECEIVING SITE TO THE LEFT IN ORDER TO
21:30:45 INCREASE THE DENSITY THERE.
21:30:46 AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN IN YOUR CODE SINCE 2016.
21:30:51 I THINK WE'RE THE FIRST TO USE IT.
21:30:53 I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT WORKS.
21:30:55 WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A MUCH MORE SURGICAL APPROACH AS
21:30:58 OPPOSED TO TRYING TO AMEND THE COMP PLAN GIVEN THE
21:31:02 UNIQUENESS OF THIS SITE.
21:31:03 WE'RE TAKING THE MORE SURGICAL APPROACH OF WE'LL NEED TO
21:31:06 GO OUT, FIND AN HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND GET THE ADDITIONAL
21:31:10 2500 SQUARE FEET TRANSFERRED OVER TO THIS PROPERTY.
21:31:13 JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT FOR ILLUSTRATIVE REASONS.
21:31:18 AGAIN, OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS FROM RS-50 TO PD FOR A
21:31:22 SINGLE USE IN A SINGLE USE ONLY.
21:31:24 THAT IS A RESIDENTIALLY SCALED OFFICE BUILDING.
21:31:26 MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS PROPERTY.
21:31:28 PROBABLY HAVE DRIVEN BY IT.
21:31:30 IT WAS OWNED BY THE CHAVEZ FAMILY.
21:31:33 MR. CARLSON, TO YOUR POINT, OVER THE YEARS, IT HAS BEEN A
21:31:37 SERIES OF COMMERCIAL USES AND THE SITE IS CURRENTLY
21:31:40 VACANT.
21:31:43 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME -- BECAUSE I'M
21:31:46 NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER EVIDENCE, BUT NOW THAT YOU SAID IT,
21:31:49 IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND NOW IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
21:31:51 CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE HISTORY OF THAT AND WHY THAT
21:31:54 HAPPENED?
21:31:55 >>TRUETT GARDNER: I ASSUME, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE R 1
21:31:58 A WHETHER THAT ALLOWED SOME LIMITED COMMERCIAL OR WHETHER
21:32:02 THERE WAS A GRANDFATHERING, A PRIOR GRANDFATHERING OF
21:32:04 THIS PROPERTY THAT ALLOWED IT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
21:32:06 AND THAT USE JUST CONTINUED.
21:32:09 THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY A LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE IF IT
21:32:13 PREDATED ZONING.
21:32:15 BUT IT WAS USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
21:32:17 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LONG IT WAS USED FOR
21:32:20 COMMERCIAL?
21:32:21 >>TRUETT GARDNER: I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST COMMERCIAL
21:32:23 USE.
21:32:23 WAS THAT BAILEY'S?
21:32:24 THIS IS JOHN TOUCHTON, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
21:32:28 >> I'VE BEEN SWORN.
21:32:29 THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.
21:32:30 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COMMERCIAL USES CONTINUED FOR
21:32:35 MORE THAN 40 YEARS SINCE THE CHAVEZS BOUGHT THE PROPERTY
21:32:38 I THINK IN 1973.
21:32:42 ONE OF THE CHAVEZ SISTERS MOVED INTO THE HOME AND MADE IT
21:32:46 THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
21:32:48 ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS NO LONGER
21:32:51 ANY COMMERCIAL USE ALTHOUGH THEY CONTINUED TO OPERATE THE
21:32:55 COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, BUT DID NOT ACTUALLY HAVE A
21:33:00 RESTAURANT ON-SITE AS THEY HAD IN THE PAST.
21:33:03 MY UNDERSTANDING IS AFTER THEY HAD BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR,
21:33:06 THEY LOST THE LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE AND AT THAT POINT
21:33:11 IS LAPSED BACK TO FULLY RESIDENTIAL.
21:33:14 HOPE THAT HELPS.
21:33:16 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
21:33:20 >>TRUETT GARDNER: IT'S FUNNY, EVEN THOUGH THIS PROPERTY
21:33:22 HAS BEEN USED FOR COMMERCIAL FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, IF YOU
21:33:25 LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE VILLAGE, WHICH IS A
21:33:27 GREAT THING.
21:33:27 IT'S REALLY COME BACK TO LIFE.
21:33:31 IT'S DENSIFIED.
21:33:32 IT'S INTENSIFIED EVEN DURING COVID.
21:33:35 DRIVE DOWN AND LOOK AT THE RESTAURANT AND THE NIGHT LIFE
21:33:37 THAT OCCURS THERE.
21:33:38 SO EVEN THOUGH IT WAS USED COMMERCIAL BEFORE THE VILLAGE
21:33:41 REALLY DENSIFIED AND INTENSIFIED, IF YOU LOOK AT IT NOW,
21:33:45 THE SITE IS EVEN A LITTLE MORE OF A STRANGE ODDBALL GIVEN
21:33:49 ITS LOCATION AND ITS SURROUNDINGS AROUND THERE.
21:33:53 WE FEEL THE REQUEST TO PD IS APPROPRIATE.
21:33:56 THERE ARE THREE WAIVERS.
21:33:57 ONE IS THE PARKING, WHICH WE DISCUSSED.
21:34:00 REDUCTION FROM 23 TO 16.
21:34:02 THE OTHERS ARE JUST BUFFER ITEMS.
21:34:04 ONE, THE BUFFER TO THE NORTH.
21:34:06 AND MR. TOUCHTON HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THOSE RESIDENTS.
21:34:10 THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
21:34:11 THE OTHER IS THE VEHICULAR USE BUFFER AREA ALONG THE
21:34:14 ALLEY WITH THE THOUGHT BEING THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE AS
21:34:17 MUCH GREENSPACE IN THE FRONT AND REALLY PUSH THAT BACK.
21:34:22 THAT'S JUST A REDUCTION FROM 8 FEET TO 5 FEET.
21:34:25 THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE WAIVERS.
21:34:27 THE MEMO THAT WE HANDED OUT SUPPORTS THE JUSTIFICATIONS
21:34:31 FOR THOSE WAIVERS.
21:34:32 AND WE'VE BEEN AT THIS NOW FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
21:34:35 THE REASON WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG IS THAT JOHN TOUCHTON
21:34:39 REALLY WANTED TO GET THIS RIGHT, BOTH FOR THE VILLAGE AND
21:34:42 FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
21:34:44 I COMMEND HIM FOR HIS EFFORTS.
21:34:46 I BELIEVE WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TONIGHT.
21:34:49 I'VE SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM -- OR LETTERS FROM 13
21:34:52 DIFFERENT PEOPLE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT.
21:34:55 AND AS RYAN MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE ARC
21:34:59 TWICE ON THIS.
21:35:00 BOTH TIMES WE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THEM.
21:35:03 SO WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
21:35:05 STEVEN SMITH, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT IS HERE, GIVEN THAT
21:35:07 THIS IS HYDE PARK, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO SHOW THE
21:35:10 DESIGN AND DIG INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THERE.
21:35:13 AGAIN, WE'LL BE BRIEF.
21:35:14 WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
21:35:17 ONE LAST ITEM WHILE HE'S GETTING UP.
21:35:22 YOU CAN SEE THE SITE WITH THE STAR.
21:35:33 THAT IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
21:35:34 AND THEN ALL PROPERTIES IN GREEN AND LIGHT GREEN ARE
21:35:37 SUPPORTERS.
21:35:37 SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY OF THE SUPPORT FOR THIS.
21:35:41 BLUE WOULD BE OPPOSITION, BUT WE ARE AWARE OF NONE.
21:35:45 SO I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE THAT THERE AS A VISUAL, WHICH
21:35:48 IS A TESTAMENT TO THE WORK THAT JOHN HAS DONE WITH THE
21:35:52 OUTREACH TO THE NEIGHBORS.
21:35:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE PD SITE PLANS TO HAND OUT
21:35:56 OR ANYTHING?
21:35:58 >>TRUETT GARDNER: I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE IN YOUR
21:36:02 PACKET.
21:36:03 >>RYAN MANASSE: WE DELIVERED A WEEK AGO TO CITY CLERK'S
21:36:08 OFFICE.
21:36:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NONE OF THEM MADE THEIR WAY HERE.
21:36:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE IN THE MAILBOX AS WE SPEAK.
21:36:17 >>RYAN MANASSE: I HAVE ONE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
21:36:19 >>TRUETT GARDNER: I THINK STEVEN HAS A MARKED-UP ONE.
21:36:22 I HAVE THE TECHNICAL ONE IF YOU WANT US TO PUT ANYTHING
21:36:26 ON THE --
21:36:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THE
21:36:30 RELEVANT PARTS OF IT.
21:36:33 I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TDR IN
21:36:37 REGARD TO HAVE YOU ALREADY IDENTIFIED WHERE THE SENDING
21:36:43 SITE IS AND THAT SORT OF THING?
21:36:46 OR IF WE GRANTED IT, IS IT CONTINGENT UPON YOU FINDING
21:36:51 ONE?
21:36:52 >>TRUETT GARDNER: IT'S CONTINGENT UPON US FINDING IT.
21:36:55 IN THE EVENT WE CAN'T, LIMITED TO .35 F.A.R. THAT R 10
21:37:02 ALLOWS.
21:37:03 IN THE EVENT WE FIND A RECEIVING SITE, WHICH WE'RE
21:37:05 CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN, WOULD ENABLE THAT BOOST FROM .35
21:37:08 TO JUST UNDER .55.
21:37:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN
21:37:14 AT .35?
21:37:15 >>TRUETT GARDNER: WE DON'T.
21:37:16 WE BASICALLY HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH IF WE DON'T
21:37:19 IDENTIFY THAT RECEIVING SITE.
21:37:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE SAYING START FROM SCRATCH.
21:37:23 YOU MEAN COME BACK TO US?
21:37:25 >>TRUETT GARDNER: CORRECT.
21:37:26 WE PRESENTED A SPECIFIC DESIGN TO THE ARC.
21:37:30 WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THEM AGAIN FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF
21:37:32 APPROPRIATENESS.
21:37:33 BUT THE SCALE AND THE MASSING AND EVERYTHING COMPORTS TO
21:37:36 THIS 6500 OR 6900-SQUARE-FOOT OFFICE BUILDING THAT WE'RE
21:37:40 PROPOSING.
21:37:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WALK THROUGH THE PD.
21:37:47 HOW DOES THIS WORK?
21:38:05 >> JOHN, THE QUESTION WAS ON THE TDR.
21:38:09 THERE ARE TWO NOTES ON THE SITE PLAN.
21:38:11 NOTE 10 AND NOTE 11 THAT PERTAIN TO THAT.
21:38:14 NOTE 10 STATES THE BUILDING INTENSITY OF 6,904 SQUARE
21:38:21 FEET, .55 FAR, IS COMPOSED OF THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE
21:38:27 INTENSITY UNDER THE R-10 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AND A
21:38:29 TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHICH IS JUST OVER 2500
21:38:31 SQUARE FEET, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 27-141.
21:38:36 JUST TO GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, THE TDR
21:38:43 PROCESS IS ACTUALLY AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
21:38:47 SO THAT'S WHY THAT NOTE IS CRAFTED THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT
21:38:51 APPROVAL OF THE TDR DOES NOT GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL NOR
21:38:55 TO ARC.
21:38:56 IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTION.
21:38:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SHOW THE DRAWING ITSELF ON THE ELMO,
21:39:02 IF YOU WOULD.
21:39:03 HOW IS THIS WORKING?
21:39:11 >> AS FAR AS?
21:39:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, ORIENT ME RIGHT NOW.
21:39:17 >> WHY DON'T WE HAVE STEVEN SMITH, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME,
21:39:21 HE'LL RUN THROUGH THE SITE PLAN.
21:39:22 I THINK HE HAS MORE -- I'M HAPPY TO LEND YOU A COPY IF
21:39:28 YOU WANT TO SEE IT.
21:39:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LEAVE IT UP SO HE CAN SPEAK TO IT.
21:39:34 >>RYAN MANASSE: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER I WANTED TO ADD FOR
21:39:37 THE RECORD IN REGARDS TO YOUR QUESTION AND TRUETT, YOU
21:39:39 CAN JUMP IN IF YOU WOULD LIKE AFTERWARDS, AS FAR AS THIS
21:39:43 PD, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE RECEIVING SITE SQUARE
21:39:48 FOOTAGE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SUBSTANTIAL
21:39:50 DEVIATIONS FROM AN APPROVED PD SITE PLAN.
21:39:52 IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED AND THE AGENT COULDN'T GET
21:39:55 THE RECEIVING SITE, IF THEY STAY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT AND
21:39:59 IT DOESN'T TRIGGER SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION FROM THE
21:40:01 APPROVED SITE PLAN THAT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE
21:40:03 REVIEW.
21:40:03 IF THEY DO TRIGGER SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION FROM AN APPROVED
21:40:06 SITE PLAN, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH FOR A
21:40:09 REZONING.
21:40:09 I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
21:40:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
21:40:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
21:40:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RYAN, MAYBE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
21:40:19 EXPLAIN THE RECEIVING SITE SITUATION.
21:40:20 I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THAT.
21:40:22 >>RYAN MANASSE: SURE.
21:40:22 THE TDR PROGRAM, AGAIN, IT TAKES -- IT'S ENACTED TO
21:40:29 PROTECT THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR THOSE SITES THAT WE
21:40:31 WANT TO KEEP LIMITED.
21:40:33 AND THEY ARE BASICALLY TAKING EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR
21:40:37 ANOTHER APPLICANT LEAVING THE PROPERTY THE WAY IT IS AND
21:40:40 APPLYING IT TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT IN A SITE THAT IS
21:40:44 APPROVED BY THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THROUGH 27-141 OF
21:40:47 OUR CODE.
21:40:48 AGAIN, IN THIS ASPECT, THEY ARE TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR
21:40:52 F.A.R. AND THAT EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WOULD NOT
21:40:56 OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED BY CODE BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING THE
21:40:59 RECEIVING SITES EXCESS SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
21:41:03 AGAIN, THAT -- THE RECEIVING SITE AND THE TRANSFERRING
21:41:06 SITE HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND THERE IS CODE LANGUAGE THAT
21:41:09 IS ADOPTED THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO GET THOSE
21:41:12 SITES TO RECEIVE THAT TDR.
21:41:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:41:20 ANYBODY ELSE?
21:41:20 SIR, ARE YOU GOING TO BE SPEAKING?
21:41:35 >> THANK YOU.
21:41:35 STEVEN SMITH, COOPER JOHNSON SMITH PETERSON ARCHITECTS.
21:41:40 I WILL PUT UP THE PD SITE PLAN.
21:41:51 THIS ONE IS A LITTLE EASIER ON THE EYES.
21:41:53 THANK YOU.
21:41:59 WONDERFUL.
21:41:59 BEFORE I DO THIS VERY QUICKLY, 15 SECONDS, BECAUSE IT
21:42:07 SEEMS LIKE IT'S REALLY SOMETHING GERMANE AND VERY
21:42:10 IMPORTANT TONIGHT IS WE CAN'T UNDERSTATE HOW MUCH THIS
21:42:14 SITE HAS BECOME SOMETHING THAT JUST DOES NOT WORK FOR A
21:42:19 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
21:42:21 WHEN I WAS -- THIS WAS THE VILLAGE WHEN I WAS A KID.
21:42:27 IT HAD VERY LOW INTENSITY OF THE USE AND WAS VERY
21:42:33 COMPATIBLE WITH SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES IN THE AREA.
21:42:36 AS WE ALL KNOW, IT IS A VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD AND REGIONAL
21:42:42 CENTER WITH NEARLY A THOUSAND SEATS OF RESTAURANT, TENS
21:42:46 OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RETAIL AND OFFICE.
21:42:50 OVER THE YEARS, THIS SITE HAS LANGUISHED.
21:42:56 AND IT JUST HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO KEEP PACE ITS USES WITH
21:43:04 WHAT HAS GONE AROUND IT.
21:43:05 WE'VE HEARD SO MANY STORIES FROM PREVIOUS OWNERS.
21:43:09 THEY ARE HAVING TO POST SIGNS BECAUSE FOLKS COME IN
21:43:13 LOOKING FOR THE RESTROOM.
21:43:15 THEY PARK THEIR VEHICLES THERE AND DASH OFF.
21:43:21 THERE IS FREQUENTLY LOADING VEHICLES OUT IN FRONT OF THE
21:43:23 SITE.
21:43:23 IN ITS LOCATION AT THAT PRIME ENTRY INTO THE VILLAGE, IT
21:43:31 JUST DOES NOT WORK WITH GOOD PLANNING PRINCIPLES.
21:43:35 GOOD PLANNING PRINCIPLES SAY THAT LIKE USES NEED TO BE
21:43:38 ACROSS THE STREET FROM LIKE USES, BUT THEN THEY NEED TO
21:43:41 MAKE A TRANSITION TO WHAT'S BEHIND THEM.
21:43:44 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU.
21:43:48 BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
21:43:51 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THAT INTRODUCTION.
21:43:53 WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND WHY WE WERE ABLE TO GAIN THE
21:43:57 SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THEY ALSO HAVE LIVED
21:44:02 THROUGH IT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DOES NOT WORK
21:44:06 WELL AS A SINGLE-FAMILY SITE.
21:44:07 WHEN WE PRESENTED THE IDEA OF AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS
21:44:13 SMALL IN SCALE, THAT'S 35 FEET IN HEIGHT, THAT IN MANY
21:44:18 WAYS IS IMITATING THE MASSING OF A RESIDENCE, BOTH IN
21:44:25 TERMS OF ITS SIZE AND IN TERMS OF WHERE IT SITS ON THE
21:44:29 PROPERTY, THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT BEING THE KIND OF
21:44:33 TRANSITIONAL BUILDING TYPE THAT INSULATES THEIR
21:44:37 NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND THIS SITE FROM THAT KIND OF INTENSIVE
21:44:43 COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
21:44:43 AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THERE ARE WONDERFUL THINGS GOING ON
21:44:48 THERE.
21:44:48 ART SHOWS.
21:44:49 THERE'S STREET MARKETS.
21:44:51 THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE.
21:44:54 AND THE FEELING OF HAVING REALLY WHAT IS PROBABLY THE
21:44:59 LOWEST IMPACT COMMERCIAL BUILDING TYPE THERE REALLY
21:45:04 APPEAL TO THEM.
21:45:06 LOW IMPACT IN TERMS OF BOTH ITS PARKING REQUIREMENT AND
21:45:11 HOW MUCH OF THE SITE IT TAKES UP.
21:45:13 SO, AGAIN, WE'RE OCCUPYING THE FRONT PORTION OF THE SITE.
21:45:16 WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL SETBACKS.
21:45:19 THEY MIMIC THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES NORTH OF THE SITE,
21:45:23 BOTH IN TERMS OF SIDES, CORNERS, FRONT SETBACK.
21:45:27 AND THEN THE WAY WE ARE --
21:45:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STEVE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION?
21:45:31 THE HEIGHT LIMIT, IS THAT IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN?
21:45:35 >> YOU KNOW, IT IS IN THE ELEVATIONS, WHICH WE INCLUDED
21:45:39 IN THE PD, AND I'VE GOT HERE THAT BASICALLY SAY IT'S 35
21:45:43 FEET LIKE ALL THE RESIDENCES IN HYDE PARK AS A MAXIMUM.
21:45:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THIS A FLAT ROOF OR A 35 FEET PLUS
21:45:51 OR WHAT?
21:45:52 >> 35 FEET PITCHED ROOF.
21:45:54 AGAIN, TRYING TO BE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE.
21:45:57 IN FACT, OUR HOPES ARE THAT FOLKS MIGHT CONFUSE IT WITH A
21:46:01 RESIDENCE.
21:46:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER QUESTION EITHER TO YOU OR
21:46:04 THE REST OF YOUR TEAM AND THEN -- IS THE PARKING GARAGE
21:46:12 ACROSS THE STREET, TO MY RECOLLECTION, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN
21:46:15 IT IN MANY YEARS, USED TO BE PRETTY MUCH OPEN TO THE
21:46:21 PUBLIC.
21:46:22 THEY DIDN'T ASK YOU WHERE YOU WERE GOING.
21:46:24 I DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER IF YOU HAD TO PAY OR ANYTHING.
21:46:28 IS THAT STILL THE CASE?
21:46:29 IS IT STILL KIND OF AN OPEN GARAGE?
21:46:32 >> IT STILL SEEMS TO BE THE CASE IN MY EXPERIENCE.
21:46:35 WHAT WE WANTED TO SAY IS BECAUSE OF THE USE OF THIS
21:46:38 BUILDING, THERE'S ONLY 13 OCCUPANTS.
21:46:41 WE'RE PROVIDING 16 SPACES AND THE NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS
21:46:44 IS NOT ONE THAT IS HEAVY ON ANY SORT OF VISITORS.
21:46:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY POINT IS, IF THEY HAD OVERFLOW,
21:46:52 THEY COULD ALWAYS GO TO THE GARAGE ACROSS THE STREET.
21:46:55 >> YES, THOSE GARAGES, EXCEPT FOR DURING THE HOLIDAYS, IT
21:46:59 SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE ALWAYS SPACES.
21:47:05 >> WHAT I WANTED TO SAY AND I'LL MOVE ON TO THE OTHER
21:47:08 THREE DIMENSIONAL THINGS TO GIVE YOU A FEEL FOR IT IS WE
21:47:12 VIEWED THE PARKING AREA AS MORE OF A LANDSCAPE PARKING
21:47:15 COURT RATHER THAN ANY SORT OF OPEN SEA OF PARKING.
21:47:21 SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED, WE WANTED.
21:47:23 AND WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS A RESIDENTIAL WALL, RESIDENTIAL
21:47:27 SCALED WALL AROUND THAT PARKING, AND THEN WE'RE DOING
21:47:33 HEDGING AND LANDSCAPING SO THAT THE CARS CAN'T BE SEEN
21:47:38 FROM THE SIDEWALK BY PEDESTRIANS.
21:47:40 WE ALSO WANT TO PROVIDE ENTRY GATES THAT ARE DETAILED AS
21:47:46 YOU WOULD HAVE AT A RESIDENCE.
21:47:49 BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT ANY UNWANTED PARKING THERE
21:47:52 ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS.
21:47:54 THE OTHER GREAT THING ABOUT THIS USE THAT THE NEIGHBORS
21:47:56 LIKE IS IT'S JUST PRIMARILY DAYTIME USE.
21:48:00 SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A QUIET BUILDING USE ON
21:48:07 WEEKENDS AND NIGHTS.
21:48:13 MOVING TO SOME OF THE THREE DIMENSIONAL ASPECTS OF IT,
21:48:32 THIS IS A RENDERED VIEW FROM THE CORNER OF ROME AND
21:48:37 BRISTOL AVENUE.
21:48:39 WE'RE MAINTAINING THE LARGE OAKS ON THE SITE.
21:48:43 THERE'S TWO.
21:48:44 AND THEN THE OAKS IN THE PERIMETER AROUND THE SITE, WE
21:48:49 ARE REMOVING A HANDFUL OF SMALLER OAKS AND PALM TREES.
21:48:53 AGAIN, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS BUILDING SORT
21:48:57 OF HIDDEN OR RESPECTING THE TREES AROUND IT.
21:49:01 THIS IS A VIEW FROM BRISTOL LOOKING TOWARDS THE GARAGE.
21:49:11 AND THIS IS TRYING TO SHOW THE CONCEPT OF CONCEALING THE
21:49:15 PARKING.
21:49:18 FOR THE IMAGERY THAT WE SEE, IT WILL LOOK LIKE SOMEONE'S
21:49:22 REAR GARDEN OR REAR YARD.
21:49:25 HERE IS THE SIX-FOOT WALL.
21:49:26 THE TALLER HEDGING BEHIND IT, LANDSCAPED AT THE BASE, AND
21:49:30 THEN A RESIDENTIAL-STYLED ENTRY GATE INTO IT.
21:49:35 OUR GOAL IS THAT YOU WILL NOT SEE THE CARS FROM THE
21:49:38 PUBLIC REALM.
21:49:49 A VIEW FROM SNOW LOOKING STRAIGHT AT THE PROJECT, AGAIN,
21:49:54 KEEPING A LARGE OAK IN FRONT.
21:49:56 THIS WAS ANY RANDOM DAY.
21:49:58 AGAIN, A DELIVERY OR MAINTENANCE VEHICLE IN FRONT OF THE
21:50:02 PROPERTY.
21:50:02 A LITTLE BETTER VIEW AT SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY MASSING
21:50:12 STUDIES.
21:50:14 AGAIN, LARGELY IMITATING THE SAME HEIGHT, EAVE HEIGHT OF
21:50:20 A RESIDENCE.
21:50:21 PITCHED ROOF WITH A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET.
21:50:24 ENTRY, COVERED ENTRY ELEMENTS, SO THIS IS NOT AN OFFICE
21:50:31 BUILDING.
21:50:33 IN ITS VOCABULARY, IT'S MORE OF A RESIDENCE.
21:50:37 SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY IS OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO
21:50:48 THE NORTH YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY HAVE SORT OF FORTIFIED
21:50:54 THEMSELVES FROM THEIR LOCATION ACROSS FROM THAT LOCATION
21:50:59 IN HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
21:51:01 THEY HAVE GONE THE OTHER ROUTE.
21:51:03 THEY HAVE MADE A SORT OF FORTRESS OR A MORE DEFENDABLE
21:51:10 SITE.
21:51:11 THESE ARE VERY LARGE, FREE-STANDING TOWN HOUSES.
21:51:14 BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE MORE INCLUSIVE, MORE
21:51:17 OF A NEIGHBOR TO THE VILLAGE, MORE CONTRIBUTING TO THE
21:51:20 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE VILLAGE FEEL WHILE INSULATING THE
21:51:27 NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND US.
21:51:28 LAST IMAGE, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LONG NIGHT FOR YOU
21:51:35 GUYS.
21:51:35 THIS IS ONE OF THE GREAT HOUSES THAT WE SEE AROUND AREAS
21:51:39 LIKE -- THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM GORY, ACTUALLY.
21:51:43 IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHICH
21:51:48 BECAUSE OF ALL THE ACTIVITY IN FRONT OF GORY, COMING AND
21:51:51 GOING, DROPPING KIDS OFF, HOUSES ARE JUST NO LONGER
21:51:55 VIABLE THERE.
21:51:55 SO HERE IS AN OFFICE BUILDING.
21:51:58 MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE CONVERTED, BUT, AGAIN, SPEAKING
21:52:01 THE LANGUAGE OF HOUSES BUT THEN A VERY PASSIVE OFFICE
21:52:07 USE.
21:52:07 THANK YOU.
21:52:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
21:52:11 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:52:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, WHAT ARE YOU
21:52:15 PROPOSING THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE GOING TO BE FOR
21:52:17 THIS?
21:52:22 >> THIS IS A TYPICAL OFFICE BUILDING.
21:52:24 IT'S PROBABLY 8:30 TO 5, 5:30.
21:52:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE GOING TO BE ON ROME
21:52:30 OR IS IT GOING TO BE FOR THE PARKING LOT?
21:52:34 >> GREAT QUESTION.
21:52:35 A PRIMARY ENTRANCE WILL BE ON THE PARKING LOT FOR ADA
21:52:41 PURPOSES AND SO ON, BUT THERE IS AN ENTRANCE THAT YOU CAN
21:52:46 SEE IN THE ELEVATIONS ALSO FACING ROME IN THIS DIAGRAM.
21:52:56 SO WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE RIGHT ELEVATION FOR THAT
21:53:02 URBAN CONDITION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, RECOGNIZE PARKING
21:53:06 IN THE REAR.
21:53:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
21:53:08 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
21:53:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:53:14 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:53:16 THIS PD REZONING DOESN'T HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION LISTED
21:53:18 FOR THE OFFICE USE, JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
21:53:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. MASSEY.
21:53:23 IT WAS WORTH A TRY.
21:53:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:53:25 GREAT.
21:53:25 ANYTHING ELSE?
21:53:26 NO?
21:53:28 ALL RIGHT.
21:53:29 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
21:53:31 ITEM NUMBER 6?
21:53:32 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM?
21:53:38 MADAM CLERK?
21:53:41 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE HAS REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
21:54:00 >> FOLLOWING ALL THE CLEANING PROTOCOLS HERE.
21:54:02 GOOD EVENING.
21:54:03 GOOD NIGHT.
21:54:03 MY NAME IS MARY LEVALLE.
21:54:06 912 SOUTH OREGON AVENUE IN HYDE PARK.
21:54:09 I OWN THE PROPERTY AT 810 SOUTH PACKWOOD AVENUE IN HYDE
21:54:12 PARK WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY
21:54:15 ACROSS THE ALLEY AND UP ONE LOT.
21:54:17 I'VE OWNED IT 25 YEARS.
21:54:20 I'VE LIVED THERE 20 YEARS.
21:54:21 I'VE BEEN A VERY ACTIVE CITIZEN ON BEHALF OF PRESERVATION
21:54:24 AND ZONING IN HYDE PARK.
21:54:25 I CURRENTLY SERVE AS PRESIDENT-ELECT OF HYDE PARK
21:54:28 PRESERVATION INC.
21:54:29 I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
21:54:31 ASSOCIATION.
21:54:31 I'M VERY PROTECTIVE OF HYDE PARK.
21:54:33 WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, QUITE HONESTLY, I
21:54:36 WAS OPPOSED.
21:54:37 BUT I WAS WILLING TO DIG IN AND DO THE HOMEWORK AND
21:54:40 RESEARCH AND I'M NOW HERE TO ADVOCATE THAT YOU APPROVE
21:54:42 THIS REZONING.
21:54:44 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT BROUGHT ME
21:54:46 AROUND TO THIS POSITION, AND I WOULD OFFER THAT YOU
21:54:48 SHOULD CONSIDER TONIGHT.
21:54:49 FIRST, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS IN THE
21:54:52 HISTORIC DISTRICT.
21:54:53 SO WE CAN'T CATEGORICALLY DENY IT.
21:54:57 NOT DEFENSIBLE.
21:54:58 IT'S CONSISTENT.
21:54:59 SECOND, THE ZONING CHANGE IS FROM RESIDENTIAL TO
21:55:01 COMMERCIAL, BUT IT IS THE LEAST INTENSIVE OF THE
21:55:03 COMMERCIAL USES OF BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
21:55:05 THE DEFINITION SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES MEDICAL OFFICES,
21:55:10 WHICH I DON'T WANT TO SEE A MEDICAL OFFICE GO THERE
21:55:13 BECAUSE I'VE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THE PROPERTIES
21:55:16 DETERIORATE UNDER THAT USE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
21:55:18 ALSO, PERSONAL SERVICES ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ZONING
21:55:21 APPLICATION.
21:55:22 I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT THERE BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE A
21:55:24 WHOLE LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND WE HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC ALREADY
21:55:27 IN THE VILLAGE.
21:55:27 THE HOURS OF OPERATION BEING BUSINESS HOURS ARE TO OUR
21:55:32 ADVANTAGE BECAUSE IT'S OPPOSITE THE BUSY TIMES ALREADY IN
21:55:34 THE VILLAGE OF THE WEEKENDS AND ON THE EVENINGS.
21:55:37 SO THAT'S HELPFUL.
21:55:38 THE PARKING WILL BE DONE ON-SITE AND BY AND LARGE OUT OF
21:55:41 SIGHT, WHICH I'M IN FAVOR OF.
21:55:43 WE CAN'T AFFORD MORE TRAFFICKING SPILLING ONTO OUR NARROW
21:55:46 STREETS.
21:55:46 THE VEHICLE BE ENTRANCE BEING ON BRISTOL IS VERY
21:55:49 APPROPRIATE.
21:55:49 THAT'S A VERY NARROW ALLEY THAT WE SHARE AND WE COME AND
21:55:52 GO ON OUR BIKES AND OUR SCOOTERS AND KIDS TO SCHOOL,
21:55:56 ET CETERA.
21:55:56 WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE VEHICLE TRAFFIC IN THAT ALLEY.
21:56:00 ALSO WE WOULDN'T WANT THE ENTRANCE ON ROME BECAUSE THAT'S
21:56:03 ALREADY A VERY BUSY STREET.
21:56:04 THE SETBACK WAIVERS ARE VERY TYPICAL AND DON'T IMPOSE
21:56:07 HARDSHIPS ON ANY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
21:56:09 IN THE FUTURE, IF A DIFFERENT BUSINESS SEEKS TO OPERATE
21:56:11 THERE, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO ADHERE TO ALL
21:56:14 THESE CONDITIONS THAT ARE BAKED INTO THIS PD.
21:56:17 AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
21:56:19 CARE IS BEING TAKEN TO PRESERVE THE TREES AND FOR THOSE
21:56:22 TREES THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED THEY ARE GOING TO MITIGATE
21:56:26 ON-SITE, NOT PAYING INTO THE TREE FUND OR SLUSH FUND AS I
21:56:30 CALLED IT IN PAST MEETINGS.
21:56:32 THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY IS MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE
21:56:34 THAN WHAT HAS BEEN TOLERATED OVER THE PAST YEARS.
21:56:38 THERE WAS A FRY KITCHEN, WITHOUT PROPER VENTILATION AND
21:56:42 WITHOUT THE RIGHT REFUSE AND WE HAD A SIEGE OF RATS TAKE
21:56:46 OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:56:47 DESTROYED SOME CITRUS TREES, INCLUDING MINE.
21:56:49 THE FRONT YARD HAS BEEN USED AS A MASSAGE PARLOR,
21:56:54 TEAROOM, CAFE, PARKING, HOLY SMOKES.
21:56:56 THIS IS MUCH BETTER.
21:56:58 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS VERY UNIQUELY SITUATED WITH THE
21:57:02 DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED ALL AROUND IT.
21:57:04 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WE SEE IS A NICE END CAP TO THE
21:57:07 HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
21:57:08 THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING FITS WELL AS THIS END CAP, AND
21:57:12 WE GREATLY PREFER IT AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING UP WARD OVER
21:57:17 OUR SKY LINES AND RESIDENCES.
21:57:19 SUM IT UP, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT USE OF THE PROPERTY
21:57:21 AT 815 SOUTH ROME AVENUE.
21:57:23 I FIND NO DETERIORATION FROM THE PROPOSED USE LEVERAGED
21:57:26 AS PRECEDENT AND WEAKENING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT OR
21:57:31 INFRINGING ON ANY OF US AROUND IT.
21:57:33 I HOPE YOU AGREE THAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU SUBSTANTIAL
21:57:36 EVIDENCE TO APPROVE THE REZONING OF THE PD.
21:57:38 JUST UNDER THE BUZZER.
21:57:42 THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
21:57:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:57:43 ANYBODY ELSE?
21:57:43 APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY REBUTTAL OR ANYTHING?
21:57:51 >>TRUETT GARDNER: 400 NORTH ASHLEY.
21:57:53 HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
21:57:55 IN SUMMARY, WE THINK WE'VE GOT A GREAT DEVELOPER AND
21:57:59 OWNER IN THIS IN JOHN TOUCHTON.
21:58:02 HE'LL DO THIS ABSOLUTELY FIRST CLASS.
21:58:04 I THINK THE TESTAMENT IN THAT IS THE SUPPORT OF THE
21:58:07 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SUPPORT OF THE ARC.
21:58:09 I ALSO JUST THINK THIS IS THE PROPER DEVELOPMENT GIVEN
21:58:14 THIS LOCATION.
21:58:15 IT'S GOING TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME AND BE AN ASSET TO
21:58:18 HYDE PARK AND AN ASSET TO THE VILLAGE AS WELL.
21:58:21 HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
21:58:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
21:58:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
21:58:25 MORE OF A COMMENT.
21:58:26 WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE
21:58:29 6,000 SQUARE FEET SEEMED LIKE A LOT, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
21:58:34 GOING TO GO ON TOP OF THE PARKING.
21:58:38 SO THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION WAS, STEVE.
21:58:41 I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE PUSHING UP INTO 60 FEET AND
21:58:45 THAT SORT OF THING.
21:58:46 I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MERELY TALKING ABOUT 35 FEET
21:58:50 IN HEIGHT AND A REASONABLE MASS THAT I BELIEVE IS FAIRLY
21:58:56 CONSISTENT.
21:58:57 WHAT I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WAS SOME OF THOSE SIMILAR
21:59:02 OFFICES OVER ON SWANN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE VILLAGE.
21:59:07 AND THEY, TOO, ARE INVESTMENT HOUSES AND THAT SORT OF
21:59:12 THING, VERY PASSIVE USES WITH NOT A WHOLE LOT OF COMING
21:59:16 AND GOING.
21:59:17 I'M GLAD TO SEE A REASONABLE -- A VERY REASONABLE PROJECT
21:59:26 THAT'S OBVIOUSLY BEING EMBRACED BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
21:59:29 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
21:59:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT.
21:59:31 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:59:32 ANYBODY ELSE?
21:59:32 CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
21:59:34 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
21:59:36 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
21:59:38 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:59:38 ANY OPPOSED?
21:59:40 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER
21:59:42 6.
21:59:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BE GLAD TO.
21:59:45 MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
21:59:48 CONSIDERATION REGARDING REZ 20-80, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
21:59:53 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 815 SOUTH ROAM AVENUE
21:59:58 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
22:00:01 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
22:00:03 CLASSIFICATIONS RS 50 (RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY) TO PD
22:00:06 (PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL OFFICE);
22:00:10 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
22:00:11 I DID WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO THE CHAVEZ FAMILY AND
22:00:16 HELEN CHAVEZ WHO WAS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL WOMAN.
22:00:20 I UNDERSTAND A VERY STRONG-WILLED, POWERFUL WOMAN.
22:00:27 I DIDN'T GET TO SERVE WITH HER, BUT I KNEW HER.
22:00:30 ANYWAY, WITH THAT I MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THIS FOR
22:00:33 FIRST READING WITH THE CHANGES PROPOSED BY STAFF AND THE
22:00:40 REVISIONS.
22:00:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
22:00:42 DINGFELDER.
22:00:43 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
22:00:44 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:00:46 ROLL-CALL VOTE.
22:00:46 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
22:00:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
22:00:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
22:00:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
22:00:50 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
22:00:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
22:00:52 >>THE CLERK: MIRANDA?
22:00:53 MANISCALCO?
22:00:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
22:00:55 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA ABSENT.
22:00:57 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 18
22:01:00 AT 9:30 A.M.
22:01:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:01:04 NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 7.
22:01:06 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
22:01:10 REZ 20-66.
22:01:12 THIS IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY GENERALLY
22:01:14 LOCATED AT 5301 WEST TYSON AVENUE FROM IH, INDUSTRIAL
22:01:18 HEAVY TO PD, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, RETAILS SALES,
22:01:22 SPECIALTY GOODS AND MARINA.
22:01:24 I WILL DEFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR REPORT.
22:01:26 IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RETURN TO ME AFTERWARDS.
22:01:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
22:01:29 MR. COLLINS.
22:01:37 WE CAN SEE YOUR SCREEN.
22:01:47 MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT MUTED.
22:01:49 MR. COLLINS, YOU'RE MUTED.
22:02:08 >> -- MORE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE GANDY SOUTH BAY
22:02:11 NEIGHBORHOOD.
22:02:11 THE PALMA CEIA LIONS PARK IS THE CLOSEST PUBLIC
22:02:15 RECREATION FACILITY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 3200 FEET EAST
22:02:18 OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
22:02:20 CLOSEST TRANSIT SITE IS WITHIN ONE MILE TO THE EAST NEAR
22:02:23 THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH MANHATTAN AVENUE AND WEST CARL
22:02:27 STREET.
22:02:28 SITE WITHIN A LEVEL A EVACUATION ZONE.
22:02:30 SUBJECT SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
22:02:34 AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND THE SURROUNDING
22:02:39 PROPERTIES.
22:02:39 SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN THE PURPLE COLOR.
22:02:42 YOU'LL SEE THE SURROUNDING AREA IS PREDOMINANTLY
22:02:45 NONRESIDENTIAL.
22:02:46 THERE ARE SOME INDUSTRIAL USES AND COMMERCIAL USES FOUND
22:02:53 WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
22:02:54 THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE RATTLESNAKE POINT AREA.
22:02:57 IT'S DESCRIBED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
22:03:01 THIS IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
22:03:03 THE SUBJECT SITE IS UNDER THE CMU-35 FUTURE LAND USE
22:03:07 DESIGNATION.
22:03:08 SURROUNDED BY THE CMU-35 TO THE WEST AND SOUTH.
22:03:11 TO THE SOUTHEAST IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
22:03:18 I STATED EARLIER THE SUBJECT SITE IS PART OF THE
22:03:20 RATTLESNAKE POINT WATERFRONT AREA WHICH OVER THE YEARS
22:03:23 HAS BEEN TRANSITIONING FROM A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREA TO A
22:03:26 MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES.
22:03:30 SPECIFIC TO POLICY GUIDANCE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
22:03:33 PROVIDES FOR ITEMS THAT MUST BE ADDRESSED THROUGH A PD
22:03:37 REZONING ON PROPERTY DESIGNATED CMU-35 WITHIN THE
22:03:40 RATTLESNAKE POINT WATERFRONT AREA.
22:03:43 THAT'S DESCRIBED IN LAND USE POLICY 8.11.1.
22:03:46 TO ADDRESS THESE POLICIES, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING
22:03:49 PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT BY PROVIDING A PUBLIC
22:03:51 PATHWAY THAT CONNECTS TO AN EXISTING DOCK, WHICH IS
22:03:55 CONSISTENT WITH LAND USE POLICIES 8.11.4 AND 8.11.5.
22:04:00 THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO COORDINATED WITH HART AND WILL
22:04:04 PROVIDE A TRANSIT SHELTER ADJACENT TO THE SITE MEETING
22:04:07 THE INTENT OF LAND USE POLICY 8.11.6 BY PROVIDING
22:04:10 MULTIMODAL TRANSIT OPTIONS TO THE SITE.
22:04:13 THE PROPOSED PD IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
22:04:17 AREA.
22:04:17 THE PROPOSED PD HAS ADDRESSED THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
22:04:21 AREA POLICIES BY PROVIDING -- TO COORDINATE ANY HURRICANE
22:04:24 MITIGATION PAYMENTS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY
22:04:27 OF TAMPA.
22:04:29 THOUGH THE SUBJECT SITE IS ADJACENT TO AN ACTIVE
22:04:31 INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE SOUTHEAST, APPLICANT HAS MITIGATED
22:04:34 THE RISK BY PROVIDING A BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENCES,
22:04:38 PROPOSED RESIDENCES AND ACTIVE INDUSTRIAL USE WITHOUT
22:04:41 COMPROMISING THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY
22:04:43 DEVELOPMENT.
22:04:44 TO ADDRESS LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, THE PROPOSED PD HAS
22:04:49 ORIENTED THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION
22:04:52 OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
22:04:54 ADDITIONALLY, A 10-FOOT WALL IS PROPOSED ALONG THE
22:04:57 SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AS WELL AS A FOUR-FOOT WALL
22:05:00 BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPOSED PUBLIC ACCESS
22:05:05 PATHWAY TO THE WATERFRONT.
22:05:06 OVERALL, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE
22:05:09 COMMUNITY MIXED USE 35 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND IS
22:05:14 COMPARABLE AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING
22:05:16 DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
22:05:18 BASED ON THESE CONSIDERATIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION
22:05:20 STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA
22:05:22 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
22:05:23 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY
22:05:26 QUESTIONS.
22:05:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:05:31 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
22:05:33 AGAIN, THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU 5301 WEST TYSON AVENUE
22:05:36 REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM IH TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
22:05:40 FOR THE MIXED USE PROJECT WITH MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL
22:05:42 RETAIL, SALES, SPECIALTY GOODS AND MARINA USE.
22:05:46 AS NOTED PAGE 1 OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, THERE IS ONE WAIVER
22:05:49 REQUEST, SPECIFICALLY THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A TOTAL OF
22:05:52 299 -- I'M SORRY, 299 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS WITH
22:05:57 POOL AND AMENITY SPACE WITH A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF
22:06:00 SPECIALTY GOODS RETAIL SALES AND A 15-SLIP MARINA.
22:06:03 THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT 332,884-SQUARE-FOOT
22:06:08 FOUR-STORY STRUCTURE CONSISTING OF A RESIDENTIAL
22:06:11 MULTIFAMILY AND SPECIALTY GOODS RETAIL SALES.
22:06:13 THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCORPORATE THE USE OF AN EXISTING
22:06:18 DOCK LOCATED ON THE NORTH AS PART OF THE MARINA WITH A
22:06:20 SINGLE-FAMILY COMPLEX DESIGNED CENTRAL TO THE SITE.
22:06:23 GREENSPACE DOES SURROUND THE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX WITH
22:06:27 INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS PROPOSED WITH OPEN
22:06:29 AMENITY SPACES PROVIDED.
22:06:31 THE SITE LAYOUT INCORPORATES A FIVE-STORY PARKING GARAGE
22:06:35 ALONG WITH SURFACE PARKING.
22:06:37 AND THE RETAIL SALES SPECIALTY GOODS COMPONENT WILL BE
22:06:40 LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN END OF THE SITE FRONTING THE
22:06:42 WATER.
22:06:42 THE 8.37-ACRE PROPERTY IS PART OF THE RATTLESNAKE POINT
22:06:49 AREA AS DANNY POINTED OUT AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTH
22:06:52 SIDE OF WEST TYSON AVENUE.
22:06:55 THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY THE BAY AND RATTLESNAKE CHANNEL
22:06:57 TO THE NORTH, INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE WEST AND INDUSTRIAL
22:07:00 GENERAL IG ZONING DISTRICT.
22:07:02 INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE SOUTH AND IH ZONING DISTRICT AND A
22:07:05 COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL GOVERNMENT USE TO THE EAST IN THE
22:07:07 IH ZONING DISTRICT.
22:07:09 THE PROPOSED BUILDING SETBACKS ARE THE NORTH 20 FEET,
22:07:12 SOUTH 20 FEET, EAST 7 FEET, AND THE WEST 7 FEET.
22:07:16 THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS PROPOSED AT 62 FEET OR FOUR STORIES
22:07:20 FOR THE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX AND 75 FEET FOR THE PARKING
22:07:24 GARAGE, FIVE STORIES.
22:07:25 BASED ON THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, BEDROOMS,
22:07:28 A TOTAL OF 519 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND 528
22:07:33 PARKING SPACES ARE BEING PROVIDED.
22:07:36 THERE ARE THREE LOADING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED, THREE
22:07:38 ARE BEING PROVIDED AS WELL.
22:07:40 THERE WERE NO HISTORIC LANDMARKS TO THE STRUCTURE WITHIN
22:07:43 A THOUSAND FEET.
22:07:45 AND I -- LET ME TRY TO ZOOM OUT WITH THE SITE PLAN.
22:07:49 THAT WILL PROBABLY HELP OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
22:07:52 WE'RE NOT ZOOMING.
22:07:55 THAT MIGHT BE AS FAR AS IT GOES, I GUESS.
22:07:59 AS YOU CAN SEE -- LET ME SCROLL DOWN HERE ON THE SITE
22:08:03 PLAN.
22:08:04 YOU GOT IT?
22:08:08 HERE'S TYSON AVENUE.
22:08:10 IT'S NOT WORKING.
22:08:14 TYSON AVENUE AND THE ENTRANCE AS YOU CAN SEE IT FOLDS OFF
22:08:21 OF THE STRIP TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WHICH WOULD BE
22:08:23 TO THE NORTH ALONG THE CHANNEL.
22:08:26 THE PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE, THE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX AND
22:08:30 PER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AGENT, THE RETAIL USE OF
22:08:35 SPECIALTY GOODS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE NORTHERN PART OF
22:08:37 THIS DEVELOPMENT.
22:08:38 STAFF DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A REVISED REVISION SHEET THAT
22:08:43 WAS AGREED UPON WITH THE AGENT AS WELL.
22:08:45 SO IF THIS IS APPROVED IN YOUR MOTION, PLEASE INCLUDE
22:08:49 THAT REVISED REVISION SHEET AS WELL.
22:08:52 LET ME SHOW YOU AN AERIAL VICINITY AS WELL.
22:08:56 HERE'S TYSON AND THEY BE THE ENTRANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
22:08:59 THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OUTLINED IN THE RED DASHED LINE.
22:09:02 THERE'S THAT EXISTING DOCK THAT WE WERE REFERRING TO.
22:09:07 LET ME SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOS.
22:09:11 THIS IS WEST OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTH.
22:09:16 THAT'S DIRECTLY WEST.
22:09:18 AGAIN, THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES EAST ON TYSON, SOUTH OF THE
22:09:23 SITE.
22:09:26 THIS IS IMMEDIATE SOUTH OF THE SITE.
22:09:28 THE ACTUAL SITE ACTUALLY OCCURS AROUND THIS AND GOES
22:09:32 BEHIND HERE.
22:09:33 AND THEN THIS IS AGAIN SOUTH OF THE SITE.
22:09:37 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED
22:09:41 THE APPLICATION AND THE PETITION AND WE FIND THE REQUEST
22:09:44 CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA APPLICABLE LAND
22:09:46 DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
22:09:48 AGAIN, SHOULD IT BE THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL TO
22:09:50 APPROVE THIS PETITION AND THE WAIVER AS IDENTIFIED IN
22:09:53 YOUR STAFF REPORT, MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN
22:09:56 ARE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING AS SHOWN ON
22:09:59 YOUR REVISED REVISION SHEET THAT I HAVE TURNED IN.
22:10:02 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
22:10:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
22:10:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MANASSE -- MR. CHAIR, PLEASE?
22:10:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD.
22:10:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MANASSE, CAN YOU PUT UP THE SITE PLAN
22:10:15 AGAIN?
22:10:16 COULD YOU LOWER IT DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE?
22:10:18 ALL THE WAY DOWN.
22:10:21 IS THAT THE ONLY ENTRANCE IN AND OUT?
22:10:25 >>RYAN MANASSE: IT IS, SIR.
22:10:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE CROSSING FOR
22:10:28 THE CSX RAIL SIDELINE?
22:10:31 GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE.
22:10:34 >>RYAN MANASSE: IT SHOULD BE UP HERE.
22:10:36 JONATHAN SCOTT MAY HAVE A BETTER IDEA FROM LOOKING AT
22:10:39 THIS, TOO.
22:10:41 THERE'S THE PROPOSED RAILROAD CROSSING SIGN RIGHT THERE,
22:10:44 SO IT SHOULD BE RIGHT IN HERE.
22:10:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, ONE MORE TIME, THAT IS THE ONLY
22:10:48 ENTRANCE AND EXIT OUT OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
22:10:51 >>RYAN MANASSE: BY VEHICLE, YES, SIR.
22:10:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BY BOAT WE KNOW ON THE NORTH SIDE.
22:11:00 DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RATIO IS LIVING TO RETAIL OR LIVING
22:11:03 TO THE MULTIUSE?
22:11:05 >>RYAN MANASSE: THE RATIO IN REGARDS TO THE SQUARE FEET
22:11:08 BEING PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION?
22:11:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
22:11:10 >>RYAN MANASSE: 1,000 FEET AS PROVIDED IN THE
22:11:12 APPLICATION.
22:11:12 I BELIEVE THE AGENT IS GOING TO COMMENT MORE ON THAT.
22:11:16 AS THE STAFF REPORT WAS MADE, 1,000 SQUARE FEET OF
22:11:18 SPECIALTY -- RETAIL SALES SPECIALTY GOODS, SIR.
22:11:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU.
22:11:23 THAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO YOU.
22:11:24 >>RYAN MANASSE: BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT, YES, SIR.
22:11:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
22:11:29 THANK YOU, MR. MANASSE.
22:11:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. DINGFELDER.
22:11:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
22:11:34 SO WHAT IS THE PROPOSED DENSITY, RYAN?
22:11:37 >>RYAN MANASSE: 299 UNITS.
22:11:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
22:11:41 THE DENSITY PER ACRE.
22:11:42 >>RYAN MANASSE: 35.7, IF WE CALCULATE THAT.
22:11:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE OTHER
22:11:58 PROJECTS?
22:12:01 WE'VE APPROVED, WHAT, ONE OR TWO PROJECTS ALONG THERE IN
22:12:04 THE LAST YEAR OR TWO?
22:12:06 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
22:12:07 SO THE CLOSEST ONE --
22:12:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS WELL AS ANY OTHERS IN THE COASTAL
22:12:11 HIGH HAZARD AREA.
22:12:12 >>RYAN MANASSE: I'LL GIVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES, SIR.
22:12:14 SO THE FIRST ONE BEING DIRECTLY -- WELL, ONE PROPERTY TO
22:12:17 THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN RED.
22:12:20 THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THAT IS 5105 TYSON.
22:12:26 THEIR DENSITY WAS 325 UNITS AT 11.9 ACRES.
22:12:30 SO IT'S 27.23 PER ACRE.
22:12:32 THE MAP, I DIDN'T HAVE IT ON THIS MAP, BUT THE OTHER TWO
22:12:37 THAT I CAN RELATE TO, AND THAT WAS REZONING 1977.
22:12:40 THERE ARE TWO OTHER REZONINGS THAT WERE BEFORE YOU OR THE
22:12:43 PREVIOUS COUNCIL.
22:12:44 I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HEARD BOTH.
22:12:47 REZONING 19-69 AT 7701 INTERBAY.
22:12:50 SO THAT'S CLOSER TO THE BASE.
22:12:51 AND THEN THAT WAS FOR 214 UNITS AT 9.31 ACRES.
22:12:55 SO 23 PER ACRE.
22:12:58 AND THEN REZONING 19-94 AT 6603 SOUTH TRASK STREET.
22:13:04 AGAIN, THAT'S MORE TO THE SOUTH, SOUTHEAST, CLOSER TO THE
22:13:08 BASE.
22:13:09 AND THAT WAS 205 UNITS AT 10.51 ACRES.
22:13:12 SO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
22:13:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 20 UNITS?
22:13:15 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
22:13:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
22:13:17 ALL THREE OF THOSE WERE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD?
22:13:23 >>RYAN MANASSE: THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
22:13:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS WELL AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
22:13:27 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
22:13:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'VE GOT 27 UNITS PER ACRE ON 5105
22:13:33 TYSON, 23 UNITS PER ACRE ON INTERBAY AND TRASK AT 20
22:13:39 UNITS PER ACRE.
22:13:39 THIS ONE IS COMING IN AT 35.7 OR ALMOST 36 UNITS PER
22:13:43 ACRE.
22:13:43 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
22:13:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
22:13:46 THANK YOU.
22:13:46 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
22:13:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY --
22:13:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, I'M SORRY.
22:13:50 I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
22:13:51 EXCUSE ME, MR. CITRO.
22:13:52 IS THIS A GATED PROJECT?
22:14:01 >>RYAN MANASSE: THEY ARE NOT SHOWING IT.
22:14:04 I'LL PROBABLY REFER TO THE AGENT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T
22:14:07 MISSPEAK.
22:14:08 ON THE SITE PLAN WE TYPICALLY WANT TO SHOW THE GATES
22:14:10 AND/OR FENCES, AND I AM NOT SEEING ONE RIGHT NOW.
22:14:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE REASON I ASK IS THEY TALK ABOUT A
22:14:17 PUBLIC WALKWAY.
22:14:18 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO INCONSISTENCY THERE, BUT
22:14:20 I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION TO THE PETITIONER.
22:14:24 AND LAST, YOU OR SOMEBODY SPOKE TO A BUS STOP BEING
22:14:31 DESIGNATED --
22:14:35 >>RYAN MANASSE: MAYBE DANNY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION?
22:14:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE.
22:14:40 DANNY, ARE YOU STILL ON?
22:14:45 >> DANNY COLLINS: YEAH, LET ME TURN MY CAMERA ON.
22:14:54 >>RYAN MANASSE: BEFORE DANNY GETS ON THERE, WE PROBABLY
22:14:57 CONFER WITH THE AGENT AS WELL.
22:15:00 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THEY DID REACH OUT TO HART TO GET
22:15:02 SOME OUTLOOK ON BUS STOPS AND SUCH.
22:15:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEARD SOMEBODY, I GUESS IT WAS DANNY
22:15:08 MENTION THE BUS STOP BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM FOR A
22:15:11 BUS STOP OUT BY THEIR ENTRANCE SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS
22:15:15 DONATED BUS STOP WOULD BE.
22:15:20 SO, YEAH, I'LL HEAR FROM THE PETITIONER ON THAT AS WELL
22:15:23 THEN.
22:15:23 THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
22:15:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M FINE.
22:15:28 I'LL ASK MY QUESTION LATER.
22:15:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
22:15:30 ALL RIGHT.
22:15:32 THE APPLICANT.
22:15:37 >> GOOD EVENING.
22:15:38 ANNE POLLACK, FLETCHER FISCHER POLLACK, 433 CENTRAL,
22:15:47 ST. PETERSBURG, HERE TONIGHT REPRESENTING RATTLESNAKE
22:15:51 POINT DEVELOPMENT.
22:15:52 BEFORE I BEGIN, I HAD MADE A REQUEST FOR -- I KNOW IT'S
22:15:56 VERY LATE, BUT I MADE A REQUEST FOR AN EXTRA FIVE MINUTES
22:16:00 TO PRESENT.
22:16:00 THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES HERE.
22:16:02 .
22:16:06 WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES.
22:16:07 WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO TRY TO RESOLVE THEM, BUT WE'D
22:16:11 LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT IT TO YOU AND WE
22:16:13 WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE EXTRA TIME.
22:16:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE UNTIL 2 OR 3.
22:16:18 WHAT'S FIVE MINUTES.
22:16:20 ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL?
22:16:21 GO AHEAD.
22:16:28 >> WE'RE REPRESENTING WOODFIELD DEVELOPMENT.
22:16:31 TONIGHT, WE'VE GOT A LARGE TEAM HERE WITH US BECAUSE
22:16:35 WE'RE ADDRESSING A LOT OF ISSUES.
22:16:36 RYAN STUDZINSKI WITH WOODFIELD.
22:16:36 CYNTHIA SPIDELL WITH STEARNS WEAVER.
22:16:36 STEVE HENRY WITH LINCKS & ASSOCIATES.
22:16:43 RANDY COEN WHO IS WITH US VIRTUALLY, OUR TRANSPORTATION
22:16:47 PLANNER.
22:16:47 NICOLE LYNN WITH ARDURRA.
22:16:49 LEIGH FLETCHER WITH FLETCHER FISCHER POLLACK.
22:16:52 AND CHRIS ANUSZKIEWICZ WITH PLACEMAKER DESIGN.
22:16:56 TONIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSITION.
22:16:59 THE PROJECT IS ON WEST TYSON.
22:16:59 IT'S ON RATTLESNAKE POINT, AND FROM THIS PICTURE, YOU CAN
22:16:59 SEE THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING
22:16:59 ABOUT.
22:17:09 BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS
22:17:11 TRANSITION.
22:17:11 THIS COUNCIL AND THE CITY HAS OVER THE PAST ALMOST 20
22:17:15 YEARS REPEATEDLY DETERMINED THAT THIS AREA OF TAMPA, AND
22:17:17 SPECIFICALLY RATTLESNAKE POINT, SHOULD TRANSITION AWAY
22:17:20 FROM THE HISTORICAL INDUSTRIAL CENTER TO AN AREA OF
22:17:24 MEDIUM DENSITY, INTENSITY, MIXED AND SINGLE USE
22:17:24 RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
22:17:28 TO DO THIS, THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MOST OF
22:17:30 RATTLESNAKE POINT WAS AMENDED TO CMU 35.
22:17:33 TO DEAL WITH THE VARIOUS ISSUES INHERENT IN A TRANSITION
22:17:36 FROM LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THEY
22:17:39 CREATED THE SPECIAL POLICIES THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO
22:17:41 RATTLESNAKE POINT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TALKED
22:17:44 ABOUT A LITTLE TONIGHT.
22:17:45 WE'RE HERE TO CONTINUE THAT TRANSITION BY ADDING A MIXED
22:17:48 USE PROJECT TO THIS UNIQUE PART OF TOWN BY REDEVELOPING A
22:17:51 BROWNFIELD SITE, BY PROVIDING HOUSING TO HELP EASE THE
22:17:54 CITY'S DEMANDS AS IT GROWS BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, AND BY
22:17:57 RECONNECTING THE PUBLIC TO A WATERFRONT WITH A BEAUTIFUL,
22:18:01 EXPANSIVE AND AMENITY-FILLED PUBLIC PROMENADE.
22:18:04 I'LL GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW AND THEN CYNTHIA, WHO IS NICELY
22:18:08 DOING MY SLIDES, TALK ABOUT HOW THIS REQUEST IS
22:18:11 COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AND CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP
22:18:13 PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND MEETS THE WAIVER
22:18:16 FOR CRITERIA.
22:18:17 SO THIS PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE.
22:18:20 IT'S KIND OF SHAPED LIKE A PORK CHOP OR A LAMB CHOP,
22:18:24 FLAG, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT.
22:18:25 SO YOU DRIVE UP THE LONG DRIVEWAY.
22:18:29 THEN YOU ARRIVE AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
22:18:32 HERE'S A RENDERING OF WHAT WE PROPOSE IT WILL LOOK LIKE.
22:18:37 WE'RE PROPOSING 332,884 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AND
22:18:41 COMMERCIAL WITH 299 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
22:18:44 IT'S A SINGLE BUILDING WITH COURTYARDS, A LOT OF
22:18:47 GREENSPACE, A FIVE-STORY PARKING GARAGE WITH TEN FOOT
22:18:50 WALL ON THE SOUTH LIKE WAS DISCUSSED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE
22:18:55 A BUFFER TO THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DOWN THERE.
22:18:58 IN ADDITION TO RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT
22:19:00 COMMERCIAL ALONG THE WATERFRONT.
22:19:02 WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHICH WE
22:19:05 FELT WAS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF
22:19:09 THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
22:19:11 HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
22:19:13 NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING SHAWN BROWN WITH THE GANDY CIVIC
22:19:16 ASSOCIATION AND STEPHANIE POYNOR.
22:19:20 WE UNDERSTAND COMMERCIAL IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN TO THEM.
22:19:24 WE HAVE DONE SOME LAST-MINUTE CALCULATIONS AND TRIED TO
22:19:28 FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADD MORE COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE
22:19:30 ONTO THE PROPERTY.
22:19:31 WE CAN KEEP THE SAME FAR.
22:19:33 WE CAN KEEP THE SAME BUILDING LAYOUT.
22:19:36 WE HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING TO ADD THE REQUIRED PARKING
22:19:38 SPACES, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH STAFF AND STAFF
22:19:43 AGREE THIS COULD BE DONE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING
22:19:45 IF YOU WERE AGREEABLE TO THIS.
22:19:47 LET'S SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
22:19:52 IT'S CONCRETE.
22:19:53 IT'S PRIVATE.
22:19:54 IT'S PROBABLY PERFECTLY SUITED FOR THE PRIOR USES, BUT
22:19:57 IT'S UGLY AND IT'S TOTALLY INACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.
22:20:01 SO THE TRANSITION OF THIS WORKING WATERFRONT TO WHAT
22:20:04 WE'RE PROPOSING IS REALLY WHERE THIS PROJECT SHINES.
22:20:06 THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CREATE HERE.
22:20:08 A FULLY PUBLIC WATERFRONT PROMENADE STARTING WITH A
22:20:12 15-SLIP MARINA THAT'S PLANNED TO BE REDEVELOPED OR
22:20:16 TRANSITIONED FROM THOSE OLD STOCKS TO SUPPORT THE BOAT
22:20:20 MANUFACTURING PLANT CONSISTENT WITH THE RATTLESNAKE POINT
22:20:23 POLICIES IN THE COMP PLAN WE'VE GOT A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL
22:20:25 THAT GOES ALONG THE WATERFRONT THAT WE HOPE WILL
22:20:28 CROSS-CONNECT WITH ADJACENT PROPERTIES ONCE THEY DEVELOP.
22:20:30 THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS ASKED FOR THIS AND WE'VE
22:20:32 ADDED A CONDITION ON THE REVISION SHEET TO ADDRESS IT.
22:20:35 WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FIRE LANE AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE
22:20:38 AND WE'VE TURNED IT INTO A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC
22:20:41 TRAIL.
22:20:41 IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF A MILE IF YOU WERE TO JOG AROUND.
22:20:43 IT ALLOWS EMERGENCY ACCESS, MORE PLACES TO WALK AND THE
22:20:47 POSSIBILITY OF A PLACE FOR TEMPORARY FOOD TRUCKS AND
22:20:50 TEMPORARY RETAIL.
22:20:51 WE ADDED COMMERCIAL TO THE SITE, BUT GIVEN THE UNUSUAL
22:20:54 SHAPE AND PARAMETERS OF THE PROPERTY IT REALLY MADE SENSE
22:20:56 TO PUT THE COMMERCIAL NEAR THE WATERFRONT.
22:20:58 SO THAT 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL THAT WE'RE
22:21:02 TALKING ABOUT WOULD GO RIGHT THERE ADJACENT TO THE
22:21:05 WATERFRONT.
22:21:06 WE'VE GOT OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC AMENITIES, A BEACH
22:21:09 AREA, DOG PARK, A FISHING PIER ON THE BOAT DOCK, PICNIC
22:21:14 PAVILION, PLENTY OF PLACES TO LOUNGE AROUND.
22:21:18 ALL FULLY PUBLIC.
22:21:19 DON'T HAVE A GATE.
22:21:20 ONLY GATE IS INTO THE PRIVATE PARKING GARAGE.
22:21:22 OF COURSE, IT IS ACCESSIBLE BY CAR OR BIKE OR BOAT.
22:21:26 WE HAVE 15 -- ACTUALLY COUNTED 17 SURFACE LOT PARKING
22:21:31 SPACES AND BIKE PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE.
22:21:34 NOW I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO CYNTHIA TO TALK A LITTLE
22:21:37 MORE ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
22:21:44 >> GOOD EVENING.
22:21:45 MY NAME IS CYNTHIA SPIDELL.
22:21:47 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
22:21:50 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
22:21:52 I AM AN AICP CERTIFIED PLANNER.
22:21:54 OVER 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OF PLANNING IN BOTH THE
22:21:57 PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SECTORS.
22:21:58 WHEN THIS PD SITE PLAN FIRST CAME TOGETHER, WE REALLY
22:22:01 LOOKED AT THE UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY TO MAKE
22:22:03 SURE THAT THE PD SITE PLAN HIT ALL OF THE KEY
22:22:06 CONSIDERATIONS AND CHARACTERISTICS.
22:22:08 AND COMMUNITY MIXED USE HAS ITS OWN SPECIFIC DEFINITION.
22:22:14 IT'S NOT ALL SINGLE.
22:22:15 NOT ALL MIXED USE AND NOT EVEN NECESSARILY INTENSE
22:22:18 COMMERCIAL.
22:22:18 WE THOUGHT COMMUNITY WAS VERY IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF
22:22:22 THAT.
22:22:22 SO IN DETERMINING IT, WE USED THE FUTURE LAND USE
22:22:27 CATEGORY ACTUALLY ALLOWS YOU TO USE THE GREATER OF THE
22:22:30 FAR OR THE DENSITY, WHICH IS WHY YOU GOT THAT 35.7
22:22:34 CALCULATION ON THE DENSITY.
22:22:35 BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HIT ALL THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS,
22:22:39 THE PUBLIC PLAZAS, THE COURTYARDS AND THE RECURRING THEME
22:22:43 THAT GOES THROUGHOUT THE COMP PLAN IS PUBLIC
22:22:45 ACCESSIBILITY TO THE WATERFRONT.
22:22:47 AND WE ARE WITHIN A MILE OF THE WESTSHORE MARINA
22:22:50 DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE URBAN MIXED USE 60 LAND USE
22:22:54 CATEGORY.
22:22:54 SO WE CERTAINLY BY PROVIDING MORE ROOFTOPS AND RESIDENTS,
22:22:58 WE WOULD BE SUPPORTING THE SUCCESS OF THAT COMMERCIAL
22:23:01 AREA.
22:23:02 WE ARE NOT DIRECTLY LOCATED NEAR AN INTERSECTION.
22:23:05 HOWEVER, SINCE WESTSHORE MARINA DISTRICT IS SO CLOSE,
22:23:08 PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND COULD RIDE
22:23:12 THEIR BIKES THERE AND VICE VERSA.
22:23:15 SO AFTER I WENT THROUGH ALL THE LAND USE CATEGORY
22:23:19 CONSISTENCY ASPECT, THEN WE GO TO THE OTHER AREAS OF THE
22:23:23 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
22:23:24 AND CONSISTENT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REPORT,
22:23:29 WE WENT TO SPECIFICALLY THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICIES
22:23:32 THAT REALLY CLEARLY STATES THE INTENT AND VISION FOR
22:23:36 RATTLESNAKE POINT TO TRANSITION OVER TIME.
22:23:38 I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM, HOWEVER, I JUST
22:23:42 WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OF THE KEY POLICIES THAT WE
22:23:44 REALLY TOOK SERIOUSLY IN DEVELOPING THIS PD SITE PLAN.
22:23:47 THAT'S LAND USE POLICY 8.11.4.
22:23:50 AND TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS AND MITIGATION AND TIMING.
22:23:54 WE HAVE STEVE HENRY WHO'S GOING TO ADDRESS TRANSPORTATION
22:23:57 IN A SEPARATE SLIDE.
22:23:58 HOWEVER, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT NUMBER
22:24:02 THREE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT THE TRANSPORTATION AREA DID
22:24:05 FIND US CONSISTENT.
22:24:06 WHICH MEANS WE REALLY BALANCED AND OPTIMIZED ALL THE
22:24:09 NEEDS FOR SPACE, INCLUDING LOADING BERTHS, ADEQUATE
22:24:12 PARKING AND CROSS ACCESS.
22:24:13 I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP WAS, IS THERE
22:24:16 ONLY A SINGLE ACCESS POINT, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE
22:24:18 PD SITE PLAN, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CROSS ACCESS ARROWS.
22:24:23 IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THIS IS THE NOW, IN THE FUTURE, WHEN
22:24:26 THE OTHER AREAS TRANSITION, WE DO HAVE CROSS-ACCESS
22:24:29 OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE.
22:24:32 AND, OBVIOUSLY SO THE NEXT ONE IS CONSIDERATION OF
22:24:34 REASONABLE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.
22:24:36 AND THE APPLICANT HAS REALLY GONE TO GREAT EFFORTS TO
22:24:38 SORT OF MAKE THIS WATERFRONT AN AMENITY THAT WILL GIVE
22:24:42 THE PUBLIC ACCESS THAT THEY DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.
22:24:46 THE LAST PART IS REGARDING THE CO-LOCATION OF INDUSTRIAL
22:24:49 USES.
22:24:50 SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST CHALLENGING ISSUE THAT WE HAD
22:24:52 TO ADDRESS WITH OUR PD SITE PLAN.
22:24:55 BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOUR COMP PLAN ALLOWS
22:25:00 THE USES TO COEXIST NEXT TO EACH OTHER AS IT TRANSITIONS
22:25:04 AND RECOGNIZES THAT IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME FOR THOSE
22:25:08 USES TO TRANSITION OVER TIME.
22:25:09 AND WE HAVE MADE GREAT EFFORTS TO INCORPORATE DESIGN
22:25:12 FEATURES TO BUFFER THE REPS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGH
22:25:15 THE POSITION OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND 10-FOOT WALL TO
22:25:19 THE SOUTH.
22:25:20 SO THE REMAINDER OF THE POLICIES ALL HIGHLIGHT AND
22:25:23 REITERATE THE KEY THEMES WE ALREADY COVERED.
22:25:28 ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT IS A RECURRING THEME.
22:25:30 WE'RE IN THE TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION AREA,
22:25:32 HOWEVER WE ARE STILL PROPOSING TO MITIGATE OUR IMPACTS
22:25:37 PROPORTIONAL.
22:25:37 LIKE I SAID, STEVE HENRY IS GOING TO KIND OF EXPAND ON
22:25:40 THAT LATER ON.
22:25:42 8.11.7 IS THE HURRICANE SHELTER SPACE MITIGATION.
22:25:46 THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY POLICY WITHIN THE RATTLESNAKE
22:25:48 AREA THAT REALLY KIND OF TALKS ABOUT WHAT DEVELOPMENT HAS
22:25:51 TO DO.
22:25:52 AND WE'VE AGREED TO MITIGATE ALL OF OUR SHELTER SPACE.
22:25:56 SO THEN, THE NEXT SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN THAT WE REALLY
22:25:59 KIND OF TORE APART WAS THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN.
22:26:02 SINCE WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE LAND USE CATEGORY,
22:26:06 WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVE
22:26:11 1.1.
22:26:12 IS THE DENSITY AND INTENSITY IS APPROVED IN THE COMP PLAN
22:26:15 IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN INCREASE AND WE BELIEVE WE'RE
22:26:18 THEREFORE CONSISTENT JUST AS PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
22:26:21 NOTED.
22:26:22 ALSO SIMILARLY, WHEN YOU GO TO POLICY 1.2.2, THAT'S ALSO
22:26:26 MATCHES THE RATTLESNAKE POINT POLICY THAT BASICALLY SAYS
22:26:29 WE'VE GOT TO MITIGATE OUR SHELTER IMPACT.
22:26:31 SO THEN THIS LAST SLIDE --
22:26:34 >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE YOU MOVE ON?
22:26:37 >> SURE.
22:26:38 DOES IT COUNT AGAINST MY TIME?
22:26:40 JUST JOKING.
22:26:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
22:26:42 SO THIS IS -- THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BIT CONTROVERSIAL IN
22:26:47 TERMS OF INTERPRETATION, THIS OBJECTIVE SAYS TO ACHIEVE A
22:26:52 NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WITHIN THE
22:26:55 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WHAT IS THE CURRENT DENSITY ON
22:26:58 THAT PROPERTY, A RESIDENCE.
22:27:00 >> IN MY OPINION, IT'S YOUR COMP PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE
22:27:03 CLASSIFICATION WHICH IS CMU 35 WHICH ALLOWS THE GREATER
22:27:06 OF YOUR FAR OR 35 PER ACRE.
22:27:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW MANY RESIDENCES ARE THERE
22:27:11 CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY?
22:27:12 >> WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN, YOU'RE JUST
22:27:15 LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION.
22:27:16 THAT'S MY PLANNING OPINION.
22:27:18 YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE ZONING DENSITY.
22:27:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THERE'S NO CURRENT RESIDENCES ON
22:27:23 THE PROPERTY.
22:27:24 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
22:27:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'VE HAD TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING
22:27:31 EVERYBODY -- OR CERTAIN PLANNERS' INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
22:27:35 >> TO KIND OF --
22:27:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN SPEAKS TO 35
22:27:40 UNITS PER ACRE AS A MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY.
22:27:44 >> OR THE F.A.R.
22:27:47 WHICHEVER BENEFITS THE SITE MORE.
22:27:48 THAT'S WHY WE USE --
22:27:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: END OF THE DAY, MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE
22:27:53 DENSITY OF 35 UNITS PER ACRE AND YOU'VE HIT THE MAXIMUM,
22:27:57 35.7, YOU EXCEEDED IT SLIGHTLY.
22:27:59 BUT THAT'S THE MAXIMUM DENSITY.
22:28:06 >> CORRECT.
22:28:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO NET INCREASE
22:28:12 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN ALLOWED.
22:28:13 >> CORRECT.
22:28:14 AT THE COMP PLAN LEVEL.
22:28:15 WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT POLICIES,
22:28:18 THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE 1.2.2 THAT SAYS REZONINGS
22:28:23 HAVE TO MITIGATE THE SHELTER SPACE.
22:28:25 SO THEN AT ANY RATE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COASTAL
22:28:33 MANAGEMENT SECTION RECOGNIZES THAT YOUR PLANNING AREA IS
22:28:37 ESSENTIALLY BUILT OUT.
22:28:39 AT THE TIME THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IT WAS 96%.
22:28:42 IT IDENTIFIES THESE AREAS AS YOUR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT
22:28:45 OPPORTUNITIES.
22:28:46 SO IT IS MY OPINION THAT AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
22:28:50 SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES REUSING THESE SITES TO AID URBAN
22:28:54 INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER AREA OF
22:28:56 YOUR COMP PLAN THAT FURTHER JUSTIFIES THE PD REZONING.
22:29:01 THEREFORE, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IT ALL.
22:29:04 WE DO BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT.
22:29:05 CONSISTENT WITH PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
22:29:08 WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I MEAN, WE ARE
22:29:11 REQUIRED TO REZONE TO PD SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THESE
22:29:16 ISSUES.
22:29:16 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN DISTRICT, IT HAS ALL
22:29:19 THESE KEY COMPONENTS, PROMOTING EFFICIENT AND SUSTAINABLE
22:29:23 USE OF LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE, ALLOWING THE INTEGRATION
22:29:25 OF DIFFERENT LAND USES AND DENSITIES, ACKNOWLEDGING
22:29:28 CHANGING NEEDS AND TECHNOLOGIES, ECONOMICS, AND CONSUMER
22:29:31 PREFERENCES.
22:29:31 AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
22:29:33 THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT
22:29:35 PRESSURE BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.
22:29:39 CONSISTENT WITH CITY STAFF, WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE
22:29:42 CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE PROVISIONS AND TECHNICAL
22:29:45 STANDARDS.
22:29:46 WE DO HAVE ONE WAIVER, AND WE ARE ASKING THAT WE MODIFY
22:29:51 IT, WE TWEAK IT FROM YOUR REVISION SHEET SLIGHTLY SO
22:29:54 WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A FENCE INSTEAD OF A WALL.
22:29:58 THE 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS A USE BUFFER.
22:30:00 IT'S REALLY A TRANSITIONAL TECHNICAL WAIVER.
22:30:03 BECAUSE AS WE TRANSITION OVER TIME, THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES
22:30:06 ARE GOING TO GO AWAY.
22:30:07 SO BUFFERS ARE INTENDED TO SEPARATE USES, BUT WHEN YOU
22:30:10 WANT TO MIX USES AND INTEGRATE USES, THEY ARE KIND OF
22:30:14 COUNTERINTUITIVE TO EACH OTHER.
22:30:16 SINCE OUR PROJECT IS OCCURRING IN THE EARLY STAGES OF
22:30:18 THIS RATTLESNAKE POINT CONVERSION, WE'RE TRYING TO
22:30:21 BALANCE IT NOW WITH THE FUTURE.
22:30:23 IN THE WEST ASKING FOR A REDUCTION.
22:30:25 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN THERE, BUT WE'RE
22:30:27 PROTECTING THE TREES.
22:30:32 SO WE'RE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION BUT REALLY ESSENTIALLY
22:30:36 PROVIDING MORE THAN 15 FEET ON THE ONE SIDE BECAUSE WE
22:30:39 HAVE A SIDEWALK AND WE'RE PROTECTING ALL THE TREES THAT
22:30:41 ARE THERE.
22:30:42 THAT CERTAINLY MEETS THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
22:30:45 ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE HAVE IT FUNCTIONING -- IT'S A
22:30:49 FUNCTION OF ACCOMMODATING THE LOADING BERTHS, COMPACT
22:30:51 ENCLOSURE AND THE FIRE LANE.
22:30:53 AND THAT FIRE LANE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND IT'S ALSO
22:30:56 BEING LEVERAGED TO INCREASE THAT PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY
22:30:59 BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN IT AND WALK AROUND AND GET
22:31:02 TO THE WATERFRONT.
22:31:03 SO WE ALSO HAVE THAT 10-FOOT WALL ON THE SOUTH TO FURTHER
22:31:06 BUFFER THE PROJECT TO THE ADJACENT INDUSTRIAL USE.
22:31:09 ON THE EAST SIDE, WE HAVE A FIRE LANE AND A POTENTIAL
22:31:13 CONNECTION FOR CROSS ACCESS.
22:31:14 SO THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE A FENCE IS WHEN WE
22:31:17 WERE TALKING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY SAID THEY
22:31:20 WANT TO SEE, WHEN THIS SITE, THIS AREA TRANSITIONS WE
22:31:24 WANT TO SEE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.
22:31:26 IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR US TO REMOVE A FENCE IN THE FUTURE
22:31:29 THAN IT WOULD BE FOR A WALL.
22:31:30 WE ALSO HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HERE TO KIND OF TALK
22:31:33 ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BECAUSE WE ALSO FEEL AS
22:31:37 THOUGH IT WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE TREE ROOTS IF
22:31:40 YOU HAVE A FENCE VERSUS A WALL WITH FOOTERS.
22:31:46 WITH THAT, WE MEET THE CRITERIA FOR THE WAIVER AND I
22:31:51 WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THE WAIVER REQUIREMENTS.
22:31:53 IT'S BASICALLY YOU DON'T INTERFERE TO THE RIGHTS OF
22:31:55 OTHERS.
22:31:55 IT'S IN HARMONY, SERVES THE GENERAL INTENT AND PURPOSE.
22:31:58 ALLOWING THE WAIVER WILL RESULT IN SUBSTANTIAL JUSTICE
22:32:01 BEING DONE CONSIDERING THE PUBLIC BENEFIT -- IN THIS
22:32:04 CASE, THE TRANSITION, PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY AND EVENTUALLY
22:32:07 THE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY.
22:32:09 WITH THAT, WE AGREED TO A CONDITION THAT NO MATTER WHERE
22:32:13 THE BUFFER GETS NARROW, WE'LL COMMIT TO THE SAME AMOUNT
22:32:16 OF LANDSCAPE MATERIALS.
22:32:17 HERE IS A 15-FOOT VERSUS 5-FOOT.
22:32:20 BY COMMITTING TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF MATERIALS REGARDLESS
22:32:22 OF THE BUFFER WIDTH WE'RE ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT DENSER
22:32:25 AND THAT WILL INCREASE THE EFFICACY.
22:32:28 THE PROJECT PRIORITIZES AND BALANCES ALL THE COMPETING
22:32:32 CODE REQUIREMENTS.
22:32:32 GREENSPACE WE DID NOT NEED A WAIVER.
22:32:34 WE EXCEED YOUR GREENSPACE REQUIREMENTS IN PARKING EVEN IF
22:32:37 WE UP THE SPECIALTY RETAIL FROM 1,000 TO 5,000, STILL
22:32:42 MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
22:32:43 LOADING BERTHS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP IN A LOT
22:32:45 OF THE WAIVERS THAT COME BEFORE YOU.
22:32:46 WE WERE REQUIRED THREE, WE'RE GIVING THREE, AND AS CITY
22:32:50 AND PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAVE ASKED FOR A PEDESTRIAN
22:32:53 CONNECTIVITY, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE FENCE ON THE EAST AND
22:32:55 WEST SIDE SO THAT IT WILL BE EASIER FOR US TO REMOVE IT
22:32:59 IN THE FUTURE.
22:32:59 WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND IT BACK TO ANNE POLLACK.
22:33:05 >> I'M GOING TO ADDRESS NOW THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
22:33:09 THE EMERGENCIES THAT ARE POSSIBLE AT THIS AREA.
22:33:13 WE TALKED ABOUT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND 8.11.7 OF THE
22:33:18 COMP PLAN REQUIRES THAT WE ADDRESS THE PROJECT'S IMPACT
22:33:21 ON SHELTER SPACE, AND WE'VE COMMITTED TO PAY THE
22:33:24 NECESSARY MITIGATION TO DO THAT.
22:33:26 AS CYNTHIA AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION EXPLAINED, THE
22:33:29 CODE AND THE COMP PLAN DO NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING FURTHER OF
22:33:33 THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
22:33:35 SO WE HAVE MET OUR BURDEN OF CONSISTENCY AND COMPLIANCE
22:33:39 WITH REGARD TO THE ISSUE.
22:33:40 THE PROJECT, OF COURSE, WILL MEET ALL TAMPA BUILDING
22:33:42 CODES STANDARDS, INCLUDING ANY NEW FLOOD REQUIREMENTS
22:33:45 THAT YOU APPROVE, AND WE PROPOSE TO PROTECT THE WETLANDS
22:33:48 ON THE WATERFRONT IN A MANNER THAT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL
22:33:51 PROTECTION FROM STORM SURGE.
22:33:53 ALTHOUGH NOT REQUIRED, WE ALSO SUBMITTED AN EVACUATION
22:33:56 STUDY PREPARED BY RANDY COEN WHO IS HERE VIRTUALLY
22:34:00 TONIGHT THAT DETERMINED THAT BASED ON THE WORST-CASE
22:34:02 SCENARIO THAT THE PROJECT WOULD NOT HAVE A NAVE IMPACT ON
22:34:05 EVACUATION FROM EITHER A REGIONAL OR A LOCAL PERSPECTIVE
22:34:08 AND WOULDN'T BE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON OTHER LOCAL
22:34:11 RESIDENTS PLANNING TO EVACUATE.
22:34:14 DESPITE THOSE FINDINGS, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT CITY COUNCIL
22:34:16 HAS RAISED THESE ISSUES, AND GIVEN THAT THE PROJECT IS IN
22:34:19 SOUTH TAMPA AND ON THE WATER, WE'RE LOOKING TO GO THE
22:34:23 EXTRA MILE TO PROVIDE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE
22:34:26 RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY AT-LARGE.
22:34:28 IN ADDITION, THE OTHER ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITH IS
22:34:33 CO-LOCATION OF INDUSTRIAL ON RATTLESNAKE POINT AND
22:34:36 SPECIFICALLY THE ADJACENT, HIGHLY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE.
22:34:40 THIS ISSUE, THOUGH, HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY COUNCIL
22:34:43 REPEATEDLY OVER THE YEARS.
22:34:44 AND IN 2016, COUNCIL AGREED THAT RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED
22:34:50 TO BE ADJACENT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
22:34:51 THEY SPECIFICALLY MADE THAT DETERMINATION IN AN EFFORT TO
22:34:54 KICK-START THE TRANSITION OF THIS POINT AS SOON AS
22:34:57 POSSIBLE.
22:34:58 AND IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY
22:35:01 ALSO WANTED TO GET RID OF THE INDUSTRIAL THAT'S HERE.
22:35:04 COMP PLAN POLICY 8.11.5 REQUIRES THAT WE DEMONSTRATE WE
22:35:08 HAVE IMPLEMENTED DESIGN AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES TO ENSURE
22:35:11 THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK.
22:35:14 WE'VE DONE THIS THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SEVERAL
22:35:17 DESIGN FEATURES.
22:35:18 WITHOUT TURNING THE SPACE INTO A BUNKER AND WHILE
22:35:21 RECOGNIZING THE FULL VISION OF WHAT THE COUNCIL IS
22:35:25 LOOKING FOR WITH RATTLESNAKE POINT.
22:35:27 AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FOUND THESE MEASURES TO
22:35:30 BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
22:35:32 SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE ADJACENT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL
22:35:37 FACILITY, CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, THEY ARE HEAVILY
22:35:40 REGULATED.
22:35:41 THEY HAVE THEIR OWN INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL EMERGENCY
22:35:45 RESPONSE PLANS WHICH ARE NOT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.
22:35:47 EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE CONFIDENTIAL, THEY STILL HAVE TO
22:35:50 FOLLOW THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN HERE AT LEAST SINCE '96 WITH
22:35:53 NO MAJOR ISSUES.
22:35:54 WE EXPECT THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO MEET ALL THEIR
22:35:56 PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD
22:35:59 NEIGHBOR.
22:36:00 SINCE THE CITY, THOUGH, HAS NO SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR
22:36:04 GUIDELINES, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD DO TO
22:36:07 GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, WE LOOKED AT PAST CONVERSATIONS, AND
22:36:11 WE SAW THAT IN 2018, CHEMICAL FORMULATORS FILED A REQUEST
22:36:15 WITH CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE COMP PLAN, THE RATTLESNAKE
22:36:18 POLICIES, TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT WERE BEING
22:36:23 REQUIRED.
22:36:23 THEY THOUGHT THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE REASONABLE DESIGN
22:36:26 FEATURES IN THIS POLICY WAS FINE, BUT THEY WANTED TO
22:36:29 EXPAND IT TO ALL OF RATTLESNAKE POINT.
22:36:33 THEY ALSO WANTED A POLICY THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN EMERGENCY
22:36:38 RESPONSE PLAN, AND THEY WANTED A POLICY THAT WOULD
22:36:40 REQUIRE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO NOTIFY THE TENANTS
22:36:43 WHEN THEY MOVED IN.
22:36:47 WE FELT IN THIS SITUATION, EVEN THOUGH COUNCIL DENIED IT
22:36:50 BACK THEN THINKING IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT THEY
22:36:52 WERE TRYING TO DO, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND THOUGHT THIS WAS
22:36:55 SOMETHING WE CAN DO HERE AND RECOGNIZING THAT CHEMICAL
22:36:58 FORMULATORS HAS DETERMINED AT LEAST TO SOME EXTENT THAT
22:37:02 THEY FIND THAT TO BE AN APPROPRIATE MITIGATION.
22:37:06 SO WE HAVE BASICALLY A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH THAT WE'RE
22:37:09 TRYING TO TAKE HERE.
22:37:11 EMERGENCY PLANNING, EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND EMERGENCY
22:37:14 RECOVERY.
22:37:14 IT RELATES TO BOTH COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND TO THE
22:37:19 CHEMICAL PLANT ADJACENT.
22:37:21 WE'RE COMMITTING IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING TO
22:37:23 PREPARE AN EMERGENCY PLANNING RESPONSE AND REENTRY PLAN
22:37:26 FOR BOTH HURRICANES AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
22:37:29 A COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE TENANTS THAT WHEN
22:37:32 THEY ARE MOVING IN, THEY ARE MOVING INTO AN AREA THAT'S
22:37:34 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
22:37:36 IT'S ADJACENT TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, THAT WILL PROVIDE THEM
22:37:39 THE EMERGENCY AND EVACUATION RESPONSE INFORMATION THAT WE
22:37:42 HAVE, THAT WE WILL COMMIT TO PROVIDING A PRIVATE
22:37:46 TRANSPORTATION SERVICE TO EVACUATION THOSE WHO CAN'T
22:37:49 EVACUATE THEMSELVES.
22:37:51 AND TO GIVE THEM ANNUAL EDUCATION SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T
22:37:53 BECOME COMPLACENT AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE POLICIES HERE.
22:37:57 EMERGENCY RESPONSE, WE'RE COMMITTING TO HAVING A TEXT
22:38:00 MESSAGING SYSTEM, HAVING A PA SYSTEM, REQUIRING
22:38:04 EVACUATION OF BUILDINGS WHEN PINELLAS COUNTY BEACHES
22:38:07 REQUIRE EVACUATION IN ORDER TO TRY TO ADVANCE THE
22:38:10 EVACUATION OF THIS SITE EVEN THOUGH WE FOUND IN OUR STUDY
22:38:13 WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT.
22:38:16 WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OUT SOONER.
22:38:20 AND SHELTER IN PLACE IN ORDER TO MOST EFFECTIVELY DEAL
22:38:24 WITH ANY INCIDENT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN AT THE CHEMICAL
22:38:28 PLANT.
22:38:29 FINALLY, A RECOVERY PLAN TO ALLOW A SAFE AND EFFICIENT
22:38:32 AND QUICK REENTRY BACK INTO THE SITE TO AVOID THOSE
22:38:36 PROBLEMS ON THE FAR END.
22:38:39 WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO STEVE TO TALK
22:38:41 ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
22:38:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT IN THIS
22:38:45 PRESENTATION?
22:38:48 >> THEY HAVE LIKE 30 SECONDS LEFT.
22:38:51 >> WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE.
22:38:53 I PROMISE.
22:38:55 >> GOOD EVENING.
22:38:56 STEVE HENRY, LINCKS & ASSOCIATES.
22:38:58 BE VERY QUICK.
22:39:00 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION
22:39:02 CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION AREA FOR THE CITY.
22:39:04 BASED ON THAT, LINCKS & ASSOCIATES CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC
22:39:09 ANALYSIS IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR PROCEDURE MANUAL.
22:39:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE MORE MINUTE.
22:39:15 >> THANK YOU.
22:39:15 THE ANALYSIS WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY YOUR STAFF.
22:39:19 BASED ON THAT, THE PROP SHARE FOR THE PROJECT IS 99,581,
22:39:26 WHICH IF WE ADD THE ADDITIONAL RETAIL, WE WILL UPDATE
22:39:30 THAT AND UPDATE THE PROP SHARE IN BETWEEN FIRST AND
22:39:33 SECOND READING.
22:39:34 IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE DEVELOPER HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE
22:39:36 A SIGNAL WARNING ANALYSIS FOR TYSON AND WESTSHORE WITHIN
22:39:39 TWO YEARS OF THE FINAL CO.
22:39:41 AND AT THAT POINT, IF IT MEETS THE WARRANTS, THEY WILL
22:39:44 THEN PAY THEIR PROP SHARE FOR INSTALLATION OF THE SIGNAL.
22:39:46 IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS
22:39:50 THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA OR
22:39:53 HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
22:39:54 ONE IS BRIDGE STREET, WHICH GOES FROM GANDY TO TYSON THAT
22:39:59 HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
22:40:02 IN ADDITION, THE GANDY ELEVATED LANES ARE UNDER
22:40:05 CONSTRUCTION AND THE CITY, PART OF THEIR PROJECT IS WITH
22:40:08 THE CONSTRUCTION IS THE INTERSECTION OF GANDY AND
22:40:12 WESTSHORE.
22:40:13 WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THE DELAY BY THE CITY IS ESTIMATED
22:40:16 TO BE GREATER THAN 40% DECREASE IN DELAY WITH THE
22:40:19 IMPROVEMENTS.
22:40:20 IN ADDITION, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE PROPOSING A SIGNAL
22:40:23 AT TYSON AND WESTSHORE.
22:40:25 THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY HIS PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR THAT.
22:40:29 FINALLY, THIS GRAPHIC SHOWS A COMPARISON OF WHAT COULD BE
22:40:34 BUILT THERE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING, LITTLE OVER 3,000
22:40:38 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE IN GREEN, VERSUS WHAT WE ARE
22:40:41 PROPOSING IN BLUE.
22:40:42 AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT GRAPHIC, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT
22:40:44 DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED
22:40:46 THERE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING VERSUS WHAT WE'RE
22:40:50 PROPOSING.
22:40:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STEVE, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
22:40:59 IT SAID WITHIN TWO YEARS AFTER THE CO HAS BEEN ISSUED.
22:41:02 >> WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT, SO THAT ANYTIME BETWEEN NOW
22:41:05 AND TWO YEARS AFTER THE CO HAS BEEN ISSUED, THE CITY CAN
22:41:09 REQUEST WE DO A SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS TO SEE IF A
22:41:13 SIGNAL IS WARRANTED AT THAT INTERSECTION.
22:41:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE I SHOULD BE ASKING LEGAL THIS
22:41:17 QUESTION BUT YOU'VE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK A FEW TIMES.
22:41:20 HOW WOULD WE ENFORCE THAT TYPE OF PROVISION?
22:41:27 I DON'T SEE ANY SORT OF DEPOSIT OR ANY OTHER ARE
22:41:30 SECURITY.
22:41:30 THE PROJECT GETS BUILT.
22:41:32 CO ISSUED.
22:41:36 PEOPLE MOVE IN, PROJECT SOLD.
22:41:38 SOMEBODY AT THE CITY SAYS, OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED TO
22:41:41 LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
22:41:43 >> THAT SAME CONDITION IS ON A NUMBER OF ZONINGS IN THE
22:41:45 AREA.
22:41:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DOESN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
22:41:51 >> JONATHAN SCOTT, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
22:41:53 WE'VE MADE THIS NOTE ON OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENTS AS
22:41:57 WELL, BUT WE HAVE IN OUR NEW ACCELA SYSTEM, WE HAVE THE
22:42:01 ABILITY TO PUT A CONDITION ON THE PROPERTY ADDRESS, AND
22:42:05 WE WILL REMIND THEM WITHIN THE TWO YEARS AFTER THEIR
22:42:07 FINAL CO.
22:42:11 THE SYSTEM WILL REMIND EVERYONE, BECAUSE IT WON'T ALLOW
22:42:15 THEM TO GET ANY KIND OF PERMITS OR DO ANYTHING ELSE AND
22:42:18 IT KIND OF LOCKS EVERYTHING UP.
22:42:20 THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF REMINDERS AND SO FORTH WE HAVE IN
22:42:23 PLACE THAT WE CAN TRACK THESE THINGS.
22:42:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
22:42:31 THE CYNIC AND SKEPTIC IN ME SAYS, LIKE I SAY, THE
22:42:35 PROPERTY GETS SOLD.
22:42:37 THE NEXT PERSON TAKES OVER, WHAT DO THEY CARE THAT THE
22:42:40 ORIGINAL BUILDER PROPOSED? THE MERE FACT WE'VE ALREADY
22:42:46 DONE IT SEVERAL TIMES DOESN'T PROVIDE ME GREAT COMFORT
22:42:49 EITHER.
22:42:53 >>CATE WELLS: THAT CONDITION ON THE SITE PLAN RUNS WITH
22:42:57 THE LAND.
22:42:58 THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE WITH ANY FUTURE OWNERS
22:43:01 OR DEVELOPERS OF THE PROPERTY.
22:43:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT?
22:43:05 >>CATE WELLS: LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER CONDITION ON THE SITE
22:43:08 PLAN.
22:43:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOST OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE
22:43:10 ENFORCEABLE ON THE SITE PLAN ARE ENFORCEABLE DURING
22:43:13 CONSTRUCTION.
22:43:13 WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS UP TO TWO YEARS.
22:43:16 >>CATE WELLS: NO, THEY SUGGESTED CONDITIONS THAT GO
22:43:18 BEYOND CONSTRUCTION.
22:43:20 IN THIS ONE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN
22:43:24 OTHER REZONINGS IN THE AREA.
22:43:26 WE HAVE THAT ABILITY IN LOOKING AT ONCE THESE PROJECTS
22:43:29 ARE BUILT OUT AND YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, IF
22:43:32 YOU DO A STUDY AND IT SUPPORTS THE NEED FOR A TRAFFIC
22:43:36 SIGNAL, THAT IS THEN WHEN EACH OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT
22:43:38 HAVE THAT CONDITION ON THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE REQUIRED TO
22:43:41 PAY THEIR PROPORTIONATE MITIGATION.
22:43:44 IT'S A MATTER OF IMPLEMENTATION BY THE CITY AND
22:43:49 ENFORCEMENT.
22:43:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD SUGGEST BETWEEN FIRST AND
22:43:51 SECOND READING, IF IT GETS THAT FAR, THAT WE -- I'M SORRY
22:43:55 I NEVER CAUGHT THIS ON ANY EARLIER ONES, THAT WE HAVE AN
22:44:00 ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO
22:44:04 XY AND Z.
22:44:05 WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO, TAKE THEM TO COURT IF THEY DIDN'T
22:44:08 DO IT?
22:44:10 I WOULD SAY YES, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO COURT, WHICH
22:44:14 WOULD --
22:44:15 >>CATE WELLS: IT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE
22:44:18 INITIALLY SINCE IT'S A ZONING CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF IT
22:44:21 GETS THAT FAR.
22:44:21 SO THERE ARE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS WITHIN THE CITY.
22:44:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:44:32 >> IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN ADDRESS.
22:44:35 ANOTHER OPTION, ACTUALLY IT WAS IN OUR ANALYSIS THAT WE
22:44:37 PAY OUR PROP SHARE NOW FOR THE SIGNAL.
22:44:40 THE STAFF HAD ASKED THAT WE TAKE THAT OUT AND DO IT AS
22:44:43 WHEN IT'S WARRANTED AND PAY THE PROP SHARE WHEN IT'S
22:44:46 WARRANTED BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY AND IT'S BEEN IN OUR
22:44:49 ANALYSIS BEFORE WHERE WE PAY THE PROP SHARE AND DETERMINE
22:44:53 WHAT THE PROP SHARE IS NOW.
22:44:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WOULD MAKE ME SLEEP A LITTLE
22:44:57 BETTER.
22:44:58 >> THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
22:44:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEEMS TO ME WITH ALL THE PROJECTS
22:45:01 BEING BUILT THAT EVENTUALLY SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO COME TO
22:45:04 THE CONCLUSION THAT A LIGHT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED AT THE
22:45:07 CORNER OF TYSON AND GANDY.
22:45:09 I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
22:45:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:45:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
22:45:16 WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE ENTRANCE, BOTH THOSE LANES?
22:45:32 >> NICOLE LYNN, 4921 MEMORIAL HIGHWAY, SUITE 300, TAMPA.
22:45:38 AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, IT'S 24-FOOT WIDE FOR THE
22:45:42 PAVEMENT AREA.
22:45:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: 24-FOOT WIDE.
22:45:46 I'VE NEVER GONE OUT AND MEASURED A RAILWAY CAR, BUT CAN I
22:45:49 SAFELY SAY THAT'S THE WIDTH -- THE LENGTH OF A RAILWAY
22:45:53 CAR?
22:45:55 >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
22:45:58 SEEING THEM ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT MAY BE.
22:46:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT I'M SAYING IN MY OPINION THAT WOULD
22:46:03 BE THE WIDTH OF ONE RAILWAY CAR.
22:46:06 >> IF I COULD SPEAK TO THE CSX QUESTION THAT YOU BROUGHT
22:46:09 UP EARLIER, CSX OWNS RAILWAY UP TO THE PROPERTY TO THE
22:46:15 EAST.
22:46:16 THIS IS ALL PRIVATE RAIL SPUR OWNED BY THE PRIVATE
22:46:19 PROPERTY OWNERS, VIPER, THAT'S THE OWNER.
22:46:25 THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, VIPER.
22:46:29 VIPER HAS A LEASE, AN AGREEMENT WITH CSX TO USE THE RAIL
22:46:36 LINE TO TRANSPORT -- I BELIEVE IT'S CORN SYRUP FOR CARGO
22:46:44 SWEET -- FOR CARGILL, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE POINT.
22:46:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO OTHER INDUSTRIAL USE.
22:46:51 >> THE WORST THAT WOULD HAPPEN IS A SPILL OF CORN SYRUP
22:46:54 AT THIS POINT.
22:46:56 ANYTHING THAT'S HAZARDOUS THAT HAS ALREADY TRAVELED
22:46:59 THROUGH SOUTH TAMPA AND TO GET TO THE CHEMICAL
22:47:03 FORMULATORS WOULD NOT CROSS THIS DRIVEWAY.
22:47:06 IT WOULD NOT PASS BY.
22:47:09 AND THEY HAVE A PRIVATE AGREEMENT WITH CSX.
22:47:14 THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON USE, AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY
22:47:20 ISSUES WITH INTERFERENCE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
22:47:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: REGARDLESS IF IT'S HAZARDOUS OR CORN
22:47:27 SYRUP, IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT A TRAIN COULD STALL OUT AT
22:47:32 THAT ENTRANCE.
22:47:33 >> IT IS CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY.
22:47:34 IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN ALMOST ANYWHERE
22:47:38 ACROSS THIS CITY IN WHICH THE RAIL LINE GOES THROUGH MANY
22:47:44 AREAS OF THE CITY.
22:47:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MANY AREAS OF THE CITY HAVE DIFFERENT
22:47:49 ENTRANCES AND EXITS.
22:47:50 THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
22:47:51 THAT GARAGE IS FIVE STORIES HIGH?
22:47:54 >> YES.
22:47:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANY OTHER COMPATIBLE BUILDINGS
22:47:57 WITHIN THE AREA THAT ARE FIVE STORIES HIGH?
22:48:01 >> I BELIEVE THE EXISTING --
22:48:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
22:48:05 >> NICOLE LYNN AGAIN.
22:48:07 I CAN SPEAK TO THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDER
22:48:10 CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEEN APPROVED WITHIN THE WESTSHORE
22:48:12 MARINA DISTRICT GOING UP TO 17 STORIES.
22:48:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT NO PARKING GARAGES GOING UP TO 17
22:48:19 STORIES.
22:48:19 >> THE PARKING GARAGE ON THAT FACILITY IS FIVE STORIES
22:48:23 TALL.
22:48:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:48:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, A STANDARD BOXCAR
22:48:29 IS JUST OVER 50 FEET IN LENGTH.
22:48:34 LIKE A TRAIN CAR, 50 FEET.
22:48:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU TESTIFYING TO THAT
22:48:42 FACT?
22:48:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LIKE TRAINS AND I WAS CURIOUS, TOO.
22:48:48 IT'S ACTUALLY 55 FEET, 7 INCHES.
22:48:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW THAT IT'S BEEN DEFINED, SO THAT
22:49:00 ENTRANCE WOULD BE COMPLETELY COVERED BY ONE RAILWAY CAR,
22:49:04 IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN.
22:49:08 IF THE TRAIN STALLED OUT, THAT ENTRANCE, THAT ONE AND
22:49:12 ONLY ENTRANCE WOULD BE COVERED BY ONE RAILWAY CAR.
22:49:17 >> IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, AS I BELIEVE ANNE
22:49:21 POINTED OUT BEFORE, THERE ARE CROSS ACCESS ARROWS SHOWN
22:49:25 ON THE SITE PLAN.
22:49:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE THEY GOING TO BE OPEN ONCE YOU GET
22:49:29 THE CO?
22:49:31 >> THEY ARE EXISTING NOW, SIR.
22:49:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
22:49:36 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
22:49:38 DINGFELDER.
22:49:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
22:49:41 ANNE, YOU HEARD ME ASK A COUPLE OF THESE QUESTIONS
22:49:46 BEFORE, AND I WAS HOPING YOU GUYS WOULD GET TO THAT.
22:49:49 IN REGARD TO THE BUS STOP THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
22:49:52 MADE REFERENCE TO.
22:49:54 >> YES.
22:49:55 SO THE -- SO HART WANTS A BUS STOP ON WESTSHORE.
22:49:59 THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE SERVICE ON WESTSHORE.
22:50:03 SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT
22:50:06 WHY ARE WE PUTTING A BUS STOP IF YOU DON'T HAVE SERVICE.
22:50:09 BUT THEIR PLAN IS TO HAVE SERVICE ON WESTSHORE AS SOON AS
22:50:14 THEY GET SOME MONEY TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE
22:50:18 TRANSPORTATION MONEY, BUT THEIR PLAN IS TO PUT SERVICE ON
22:50:22 WESTSHORE AND WE WOULD HAVE A BUS STOP RIGHT AT THE
22:50:26 CORNER OF TYSON AND WESTSHORE.
22:50:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT AS RELATED TO
22:50:31 THAT?
22:50:32 YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BUS STOP?
22:50:38 >> YEAH, WE'RE DOING THE SHELTER PAD.
22:50:41 THE SHELTER PAD WE'RE INSTALLING.
22:50:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S A SIDE AGREEMENT YOU HAVE OR ON
22:50:48 THE PD.
22:50:49 >> IT'S A CONDITION IN THE PD.
22:50:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF AND WHEN HART DEVELOPS A BUS
22:50:56 SHELTER, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A PAD OUT THERE AND A
22:51:03 DISCOVERED SHELTER FOR THE PEOPLE --
22:51:06 >> I BELIEVE WE'VE AGREED TO THE SHELTER PAD, BUT I DON'T
22:51:09 THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE TO DO MORE.
22:51:12 BUT THE SHELTER PAD REALLY IS THE PIECE THAT IS THE MORE
22:51:18 EXPENSIVE PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS, FROM WHAT I'VE
22:51:22 LEARNED FROM HART.
22:51:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ABOUT SIDEWALKS?
22:51:26 WHAT IS THE STATUS OF SIDEWALKS ON TYSON NOW?
22:51:31 >> VERY LIMITED CURRENTLY.
22:51:33 THERE IS A SECTION THAT'S JUST CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE
22:51:37 LAST SIX MONTHS.
22:51:40 IT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE EAST OF THIS PROJECT.
22:51:43 ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THE WESTSHORE MARINA DISTRICT.
22:51:46 BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S EXTREMELY LIMITED OUT THERE.
22:51:49 WE'RE PROPOSING WHAT THE REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS ALONG THE
22:51:53 RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE SITE PLAN.
22:51:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING TO
22:51:56 CONTRIBUTE TO IMPROVEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK SITUATION ALONG
22:52:00 THERE?
22:52:02 >> I BELIEVE THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO IT AS
22:52:05 THEIR PROJECTS COME IN.
22:52:07 SO WE ARE -- WE HAVE A SMALL ENTRANCE WAY SO WE HAVE A
22:52:11 SMALL BIT OF SIDEWALK.
22:52:12 MOST OF IT, IT'S GOING NORTH TOWARDS THE WATERFRONT.
22:52:16 I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THE PROJECT DOWN THE ROAD HAS
22:52:19 AGREED TO, BUT I WOULD EXPECT THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED TO
22:52:22 PUT IN THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD CONNECT THAT FIRST PARCEL
22:52:26 FROM WESTSHORE INTO TYSON.
22:52:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT YOU ALL AREN'T NECESSARILY
22:52:32 CONTRIBUTING TOWARD SIDEWALK.
22:52:35 >> WE'RE CONTRIBUTING BY WAY OF OUR DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN
22:52:38 AS REQUIRED BY CITY CODE, SO IT'S SHOWN THERE ALONG THE
22:52:42 RIGHT-OF-WAY IS THE REQUIREMENT.
22:52:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THEN IN REGARD TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S
22:52:50 BEEN EMPHASIZED A FEW TIMES, THIS IS GREAT.
22:52:53 THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND BICYCLE AROUND THE PROJECT AND
22:52:57 THAT SORT OF THING.
22:52:58 IF I'M DRIVING UP AND DOWN TYSON, HOW AM I GOING TO KNOW
22:53:02 THAT I'M INVITED TO COME INTO THAT OTHERWISE PRIVATE
22:53:07 LOOKING DEVELOPMENT AND USE YOUR SIDEWALKS?
22:53:10 >> IF I CAN TIE THAT INTO THE COMMERCIAL, WE ORIGINALLY
22:53:14 WERE PROPOSING A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BECAUSE WE WERE
22:53:17 CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S THE MARKET FOR THIS REALLY KIND OF
22:53:21 UNUSUALLY SHAPED PROPERTY.
22:53:23 BUT WE'RE COMMITTING TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
22:53:26 WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN NO MATTER WHAT, AND WE
22:53:30 OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MARKET THAT AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC
22:53:34 SPACE.
22:53:34 SO MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE SIGNAGE,
22:53:38 CERTAINLY, TO MARKET BOTH THE APARTMENTS, THE COMMERCIAL
22:53:42 SPACE, AND THE WATERFRONT.
22:53:44 WE WANT IT TO BE ACTIVE.
22:53:47 NOT HAVING IT ACTIVE IS BORING AND IS NOT REALLY AN
22:53:51 AMENITY.
22:53:52 SO -- AND IT WOULD NOT BE WORTH ALL THE TIME AND MONEY
22:53:56 AND EFFORT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN TO MAKE IT NICE.
22:54:00 SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD DO.
22:54:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU GOT APPROVED, YOU'D AGREE TO
22:54:09 PUT SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE OUT ON TYSON SAYING PUBLIC
22:54:14 SIDEWALK WITH AN ARROW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
22:54:18 >> WHATEVER -- WE ARE CURRENTLY SET UP SO THAT WE COULD
22:54:22 PUT IN A SIGN THAT MEETS THE SIGN CODE.
22:54:25 IF WE CAN FIT IN A SIGN, WE'LL ADDRESS EVERYTHING THAT'S
22:54:30 BACK THERE, CERTAINLY.
22:54:31 ABSOLUTELY.
22:54:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN CODE.
22:54:33 THE SIGN CODE DOESN'T SAY PUBLIC ACCESS.
22:54:36 WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE'RE EMPHASIZING PUBLIC, THEN
22:54:39 MAYBE WE SHOULD COMMIT TO HAVING SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE
22:54:43 THAT SAYS WELCOME PUBLIC.
22:54:46 >> WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, YES, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PUT
22:54:51 IN SIGNAGE WELCOMING THE PUBLIC.
22:54:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON THE PD.
22:54:58 >> ON THE PD, ABSOLUTELY.
22:54:59 I JUST WOULD WANT TO CHECK WITH RYAN.
22:55:03 THE SIGN CODE HAS A LOT OF RULES, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
22:55:06 THAT WHATEVER WE AGREE TO WORKS WITH ZONING AND WORKS
22:55:10 WITH YOU GUYS.
22:55:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M LISTENING TO,
22:55:19 WE'RE GOING TO PUT CERTAIN THINGS ON A PD.
22:55:22 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY.
22:55:25 I'M JUST WONDERING, HOW DO WE ENFORCE SOME OF THE STUFF
22:55:30 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PUT
22:55:33 THIS ON A PD, A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, THIS COULD
22:55:38 POSSIBLY COME TO FRUITION, BUT A LANDOWNER MAY SELL.
22:55:42 HOW DO WE ENFORCE SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE SAYING TO
22:55:48 DO?
22:55:50 >> AS KATE ALLUDED TO, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS SET UP TO TAKE
22:55:53 CARE OF THESE ISSUES.
22:55:55 NOW, THE WAY IT WORKS WITH ZONING IS THEY WOULD SET UP A
22:55:58 REVIEW FOR THE ZONING DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION
22:56:02 TO REVIEW THE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION.
22:56:05 AND THIS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
22:56:06 I DEALT WITH ONE WITH AN ALCOHOL PETITION A COUPLE OF
22:56:09 YEARS AGO.
22:56:09 FOUND THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE APPROVED PD.
22:56:12 .
22:56:14 WHEN YOU ARE IN VIOLATION, IT GOES BEFORE THE CODE
22:56:17 MAGISTRATE HEARING, ONCE THEY GET THE VIOLATION, IF THEY
22:56:20 EITHER COME INTO COMPLIANCE OR DON'T COME INTO
22:56:22 COMPLIANCE, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THAT
22:56:24 AND IT GOES TO THE MAGISTRATE HEARING WHERE THEY CAN BE
22:56:27 ASSESSED A DAILY FINE.
22:56:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
22:56:31 THERE ARE REPERCUSSIONS WHERE IF THINGS ARE NOT DONE, WE
22:56:35 CAN SAY YOU OWE THIS, THIS, THIS.
22:56:38 >>RYAN MANASSE: AND IT'S DAILY.
22:56:40 IT CAN ADD UP.
22:56:42 I THINK TO ANSWER -- FORGOT THE FIRST QUESTION.
22:56:48 >> REGARDING THE SIGN.
22:56:49 >>RYAN MANASSE: ANNE WAS EXACTLY RIGHT.
22:56:51 OUR SIGN CODE IS EXTENSIVE.
22:56:52 WITH OUR PDs, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS TYPICALLY.
22:56:55 THEY EITHER SHOW THE SIGNS AND PROVIDE A SIGNAGE PLAN
22:56:58 THAT HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF IN DETAIL TO MAKE SURE,
22:57:01 EITHER, A, IT COMPLIES WITH CODE OR B REQUESTING
22:57:04 ADDITIONAL WAIVERS FROM THAT OR THEY COULD ERECT THE
22:57:08 SIGNS PER SIGN CODE.
22:57:09 A LOT OF TIMES, THE ONES -- THE PDs THAT YOU SEE COME
22:57:14 THROUGH ARE TYPICALLY THE ONES REQUESTING SOME TYPE OF
22:57:16 WAIVER TO THE SIGN CODE, SO YOU WOULD BE SUPERSEDING THE
22:57:21 CODE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
22:57:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF IT'S PART OF COUNCIL'S MOTION TO
22:57:28 AMEND THE PD SITE PLAN, THEN INHERENTLY IT'S A WAIVER.
22:57:36 >>RYAN MANASSE: IT DEPENDS, BECAUSE THE SIGN COULD MEET
22:57:39 CODE.
22:57:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF IT MEETS CODE -- IF IT DIDN'T MEET
22:57:43 CODE, INHERENTLY IT'S A WAIVER THAT COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED
22:57:46 AND THEY COMPLIED WITH.
22:57:48 >>RYAN MANASSE: WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT CODE
22:57:51 LANGUAGE.
22:57:51 IT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF AN OFFICIAL WAIVER LIKE YOU'D
22:57:54 SEE IN THE STAFF REPORTS WHERE THEY ARE WRITTEN A CERTAIN
22:57:56 WAY AND THEY HAVE TO BE ESTABLISHED AS THAT ON THE PD
22:57:59 SITE PLAN.
22:58:00 AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE.
22:58:02 >> IS THERE AN OPTION OF THE CITY PUTTING OUT ONE OF
22:58:04 THOSE BROWN PUBLIC PARK SIGNS ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN
22:58:08 FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY?
22:58:09 WE ABSOLUTELY, DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS
22:58:16 ACTIVE.
22:58:17 AND WHATEVER IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT IS, OF COURSE,
22:58:21 WE'LL --
22:58:22 >>RYAN MANASSE: I'M SORRY TO CUT IN REAL FAST.
22:58:24 I WAS CONVERSING WITH OUR LEGAL.
22:58:25 IT MAY BE MORE DIRECTIONAL, LIKE A DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE,
22:58:28 AND THAT MIGHT BE PERFECTLY FINE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING
22:58:32 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
22:58:34 AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO AD HOC ON A SIGN PLAN WITHOUT
22:58:38 HAVING THE CODE IN FRONT OF US AND THE SPECIFICS.
22:58:41 THERE ARE CERTAIN LANGUAGES IN OUR CODE ALREADY
22:58:46 ESTABLISHED FOR SIGNS THAT ARE PERMITTED AND ALLOWED.
22:58:48 AS APE WAS ALLUDING TO WITH THE PUBLIC SIGN IT WOULD BE
22:58:53 OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THE PD BECAUSE THE PD IS ONLY BOUND
22:58:57 BY THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY.
22:58:59 I ASSUME THEY WOULD WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS OR
22:59:03 RIGHT-OF-WAY IF THEY GO THAT ROUTE.
22:59:05 JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, TOO, I'M SORRY.
22:59:11 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, SO IF THERE IS ANY KIND OF
22:59:15 MOTION READ, THAT THE AGENT HAS STATED A FEW TIMES THAT
22:59:18 THEY WANTED TO, OR THEY ARE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT
22:59:21 RETAIL SALES SPECIALTY GOODS USE TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
22:59:27 IF THAT IS SOMETHING, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BEING
22:59:30 INCLUDED IN THE MOTION AS WELL AS IF THE FENCE IS BEING
22:59:38 CHANGED IN THE WAIVER, OR THE WALL THAT'S DESCRIBED IN
22:59:42 WAIVER NUMBER ONE BEING CHANGED TO FENCE.
22:59:45 I'M SAYING THAT NOW.
22:59:46 I KNOW WE'LL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.
22:59:47 I FIGURE IF I REMIND MYSELF AND REMIND COUNCIL, THAT
22:59:50 WE'LL GET THE MOTION CORRECTED.
22:59:52 >> WE ALSO WOULD BE ASKING FOR A CONDITION TO COMMIT
22:59:56 OURSELVES TO BUILDING THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT WE
22:59:58 COULDN'T GET OUR CO UNTIL WE BUILT THE COMMERCIAL OUT.
23:00:04 WE WORKED THIS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRY TO GIVE THEM
23:00:08 COMFORT THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BUILD IT.
23:00:11 FINAL CO.
23:00:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
23:00:16 THANK YOU.
23:00:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR.
23:00:19 JUST GOING BACK TO EMERGENCY RESPONSE, WHAT TYPE OF
23:00:22 PROVISIONS FOR PRIVATE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES TO
23:00:28 EVACUATE THOSE WITHOUT OTHER OPTIONS AFTER AN EVACUATION
23:00:32 ORDER, WHAT TYPE OF PROVISIONS ARE YOU PROPOSING?
23:00:37 >> SO WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT PRIOR TO CO THAT WE CONTRACT
23:00:42 WITH THE TRANSPORTATION COMPANY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES.
23:00:48 LIKE I SAID, WE WERE ALSO COMMITTING TO ENSURE THAT WE
23:00:52 HAD OUR PROPERTY EVACUATED AT THE TIME THAT PINELLAS
23:00:56 BEACHES WERE EVACUATING SO WE COULD KIND OF BE A LITTLE
23:00:59 BIT AHEAD OF EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN TAMPA.
23:01:01 SO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WOULD BE ON ALERT FOR THE
23:01:07 POTENTIAL FOR A STORM AND EVACUATION ORDER AND MAKE SURE
23:01:10 THAT THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION COMPANY TO
23:01:13 COME IN AND PROVIDE THE SERVICE FOR THE PEOPLE TO
23:01:15 EVACUATE.
23:01:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO LEAVE AT THAT
23:01:18 TIME.
23:01:20 >> RIGHT.
23:01:20 OR WHO COULDN'T.
23:01:22 MAYBE THEY FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY CANNOT.
23:01:30 I CAN'T SPEAK TO PEOPLE IN IMMEDIATE CONCERNS OF WHAT
23:01:33 THEY WOULD DO OR WOULDN'T DO.
23:01:34 IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE SITE EVACUATED AND FOR THE
23:01:38 PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T DO IT ON THEIR OWN, WE WOULD HAVE
23:01:42 THIS SERVICE FOR THEM.
23:01:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DON'T MEAN TO NITPICK.
23:01:46 YOU JUST FINISHED SAYING ONCE ST. PETE BEACHES WERE
23:01:48 ORDERED TO EVACUATE, THAT MIGHT BE A DAY BEFORE THIS AREA
23:01:53 IS ORDERED TO EVACUATE.
23:01:55 I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING
23:01:57 TO WANT TO GO.
23:01:59 JUST THINKING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
23:02:00 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:02:01 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
23:02:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:02:03 ANYTHING ELSE?
23:02:03 WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
23:02:10 IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 7,
23:02:15 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
23:02:17 PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN.
23:02:18 DO WE HAVE MANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THE LINE?
23:02:27 MR. CREW, HOW MANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE?
23:02:48 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, SIR.
23:02:58 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AT ALL.
23:03:09 WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
23:03:35 HE'S ON SCREEN, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR HIM.
23:03:44 >> DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE OTHER PEOPLE FIRST?
23:03:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
23:03:48 GO AHEAD.
23:03:49 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
23:04:05 >> I JUST WANT TO SAY FIRST --
23:04:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NAME FOR THE RECORD.
23:04:12 >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
23:04:13 I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA.
23:04:16 I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN COMMON SENSE TAKE SUCH A
23:04:19 BEATING BEFORE.
23:04:20 IT'S DEFINITELY ON LIFE SUPPORT.
23:04:23 BUT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW NONE OF YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT ME,
23:04:29 I HAPPEN TO BE A VERY TALENTED ARTIST.
23:04:31 IF I WANTED TO, I'M SURE I COULD HAVE MADE A LIVING AT IT
23:04:35 AND YOU WOULD BE SEEING MY STUFF IN MUSEUMS.
23:04:39 I'M SAYING -- I'M A VERY TALENTED ARTIST AND PICTURES ARE
23:04:45 BETTER THAN A THOUSAND WORDS, SO I'M ILLUSTRATING MY
23:04:50 POINTS TODAY.
23:04:53 CAN YOU SEE THIS?
23:04:55 THERE WE GO.
23:04:58 HERE WE'VE GOT JIM, JOE, AND BOB.
23:05:01 THEY ARE VERY BIG BUCS FANS.
23:05:04 JIM, JOE AND BOB WHEN THEY GO TO THE BUCS GAMES THEY CAR
23:05:08 POOL BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE PARKING FEE
23:05:13 AND IT'S A LOT LESS STRESSFUL AND THEY CAN TAILGATE AND
23:05:16 THEY HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME.
23:05:18 THE PROBLEM IS, LIVING IN SOUTH TAMPA ISN'T JUST ABOUT
23:05:23 BUCS GAMES.
23:05:25 IT'S ALSO ABOUT HURRICANES AND EMERGENCY EVACUATIONS.
23:05:31 SO HERE WE HAVE A HURRICANE COMES THROUGH, AND YOU'VE GOT
23:05:36 JIM, JOE AND BOB WITH, HERE IS HIS WIFE HELEN.
23:05:40 I'M SURE YOU CAN SEE SHE LIKES HIGH-HEELED SHOES.
23:05:44 BOB'S WIFE, JILL, REALLY INTO WEDGES.
23:05:46 JOE OVER HERE IS KIND OF RUNNING IN CIRCLES AND TRYING TO
23:05:51 CALM HIM DOWN.
23:05:54 THEY'VE BEEN ADVISED TO EVACUATE.
23:05:56 THEY NEED TO TAKE SEVERAL DAYS OF EVERYTHING.
23:06:02 SO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO TAKE FOOD AND CLOTHES.
23:06:06 THEY GOT TO TAKE THE KIDS AND ALL THE KIDS' STUFF AND
23:06:10 THEIR TOYS AND THEIR VALUABLES AND THEIR VALUABLES AND
23:06:13 THEIR VALUABLES AND MORE FOOD.
23:06:15 THEN THE DOG CRATE, THE CAT CRATE, THE DOG FOOD AND THE
23:06:18 CAT FOOD AND THE MEDICINE.
23:06:21 THEY ALSO HAVE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THEIR VEHICLES.
23:06:25 IT'S THE SECOND-MOST VALUABLE THING THEY OWN BESIDES
23:06:28 THEIR HOUSES.
23:06:29 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THOSE BEHIND.
23:06:31 IN ADDITION, THEY NEED BOTH VEHICLES TO GET ALL THIS
23:06:34 STUFF THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE WITH THEM.
23:06:38 HELEN AND JIM AND JOE AND SUE AND BOB AND JILL ARE GOING
23:06:42 TO USE SIX CARS TO EVACUATE, WHEREAS WHEN THEY WENT TO A
23:06:46 BUCS GAME, THEY ONLY USED ONE.
23:06:49 AND WHEN YOU GO TO A BUCS GAME AT RAY-JAY STADIUM, YOU
23:06:53 CAN EXIT 360 DEGREES.
23:06:56 WHEN YOU'RE IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND YOU NEED TO GO -- YOU
23:07:02 NEED TO EVACUATE, YOU CAN EXIT IN ONE DIRECTION.
23:07:06 THIS IS A BOTTLE WITH A BOTTLENECK.
23:07:09 AND THEN COMING RIGHT ACROSS HERE IS ALL THE POPULATION
23:07:12 OF ST. PETE BECAUSE WE'RE THERE OFFICIAL EVACUATION
23:07:17 ROUTE.
23:07:18 SO HERE WE'VE GOT JIM AND JOE AND BOB AND THEIR WIVES ALL
23:07:24 IN A LONG LINE HERE TRYING TO EVACUATE IN ONE DIRECTION.
23:07:28 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THEIR FACES BUT THEY LOOK A
23:07:31 LITTLE STRESSED OUT TO ME.
23:07:33 SO I HEARD ALL THIS TALK ABOUT WHEN ST. PETE BEACH
23:07:41 EVACUATE, THEY'LL BRING IN A BUS.
23:07:43 IS THAT MY TIME?
23:07:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
23:07:46 30 MORE SECONDS.
23:07:47 >> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
23:07:48 THEY ARE GOING TO DRIVE ALL THEIR CARS AND ALL THEIR
23:07:51 STUFF OUT AND IT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER.
23:07:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:07:56 NEXT SPEAKER.
23:08:10 >> SHAWN.
23:08:25 >> GOOD EVENING, SHAWN BROWN, PRESIDENT OF THE GANDY
23:08:27 CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
23:08:28 AS YOU SEE, I'M HERE TONIGHT SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THIS
23:08:32 DEVELOPMENT.
23:08:33 OVER THE COURSE OF THIS PAST MONTH, RYAN STUDZINSKI FOR
23:08:36 WOODFIELD DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN IN TOUCH TO DISCUSS THE
23:08:43 PROPOSED PROJECT.
23:08:43 ONE OF THE AREAS OF GRIEVANCE THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS THE
23:08:46 LACK OF SUFFICIENT RETAIL COMMERCIAL FOOTPRINT IN THE
23:08:48 PROJECT TO BE CONSIDERED MIXED USE, QUITE FRANKLY.
23:08:50 THE FACT IS THE DEVELOPER PROPOSED AT BEST 1,000 SQUARE
23:08:53 FEET FOR RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON THE PROPERTY WHICH AMOUNTED
23:08:56 TO .3% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROJECT.
23:08:59 THIS FIGURE AS I DESCRIBED TO RYAN WAS A GESTURE AND
23:09:03 NOTHING MORE.
23:09:04 FOR FAR TOO LONG MANY LARGE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS HAVE
23:09:06 BEEN APPROVED FOR OUR AREA THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, HAS AND
23:09:09 WILL CONTINUE TO STIFLE JOB GROWTH AND CONNECTIVITY IN
23:09:11 OUR AREA FOR DECADES TO COME.
23:09:14 AS SUCH, GIVEN THE EXTREMELY UNGUARANTEED LOW AMOUNT OF
23:09:17 RETAIL SET ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT, IT CANNOT BE
23:09:19 CONSIDERED MIXED USE.
23:09:21 THIS WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF LAND USE OBJECTIVE 8.11,
23:09:24 WHICH SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE NEED FOR RATTLESNAKE
23:09:27 POINT TO BE TRANSITIONED FROM INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO
23:09:30 RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL RETAIL USES IN A WATERFRONT
23:09:33 COMMUNITY.
23:09:34 AS WE ALL KNOW TOO WELL, OBJECTIVES AND POLICY HAVE TWO
23:09:37 VERY DIFFERENT MEANINGS IN THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
23:09:41 WHICH HAS LED TO MUCH ANGST FOR ALL OF US HERE TODAY AND
23:09:45 BEFOREHAND.
23:09:45 NEVERTHELESS, FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER
23:09:47 OCCURRED WHICH YIELDED TODAY AN AGREEMENT BY THE
23:09:50 DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE A GUARANTEE OF NO LESS THAN 5,000
23:09:54 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL IN THE PROJECT.
23:09:56 THIS FIGURE AMOUNTS TO 1.5% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE
23:10:00 OF THE PROJECT.
23:10:00 WHILE THIS INCREASE ADDRESSES A CONCERN FROM THE
23:10:02 NEIGHBORHOOD AND WILL ALLOW FOR SOME JOB CREATION
23:10:05 CONNECTIVITY, IT FALLS BELOW STILL WHAT IS TRULY NEEDED
23:10:09 AND WHAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT GIVEN ITS
23:10:11 LOCATION.
23:10:11 THIS FAULT, THOUGH, BELONGS TO THE POORLY WRITTEN TAMPA
23:10:15 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PRECEDENT SET BY THE PRIOR
23:10:17 CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS TO OCCUR
23:10:20 UNCHECKED.
23:10:21 WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, TODAY I PROVIDE SUPPORT OF THE
23:10:25 PROJECT BASED ON THE AGREEMENT FOR 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF
23:10:29 RETAIL COMMERCIAL BEING INCORPORATED BY WOODFIELD.
23:10:31 ALONG THOSE LINES, WITHOUT THE CONCESSION FROM THE
23:10:33 DEVELOPER, I COULD NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT AT ALL.
23:10:36 HOWEVER, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD STATING THAT THE FUTURE
23:10:39 DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MAGNITUDE HAD NEED TO ALLOCATE AND
23:10:42 INCORPORATE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF RETAIL COMMERCIAL IN THE
23:10:45 PROJECTS.
23:10:45 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED IN A REVISED
23:10:49 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
23:10:50 FINALLY, I WANT TO SAY MY SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT AND
23:10:53 YOUR VOTE ON IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE MY STANCE FOR THE NEED
23:10:56 FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ENACT A ONE-YEAR MORATORIUM STARTING
23:10:59 ON FEBRUARY 4 AGAINST OFF LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS
23:11:04 PROPOSED SOUTH OF GANDY.
23:11:05 MIXED USE DEFICIENCIES ARE ONLY ONE ASPECT OF THE LARGER
23:11:08 PROBLEM WITH THE RECENT TREND OF MONSTER DEVELOPMENTS
23:11:10 BEING SOUGHT AND APPROVED.
23:11:11 CANDIDLY, THE ABILITY FOR OTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT
23:11:14 PROJECTS TO GET APPROVED, EVEN THOUGH FOUGHT AGAINST WITH
23:11:16 COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FROM CONCERNED CITIZENS
23:11:19 AND EVENTUALLY LAWSUITS AND MEDIATIONS HAVE YIELDED THE
23:11:24 CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE TO APPROVE THESE PROJECTS IS WHAT
23:11:27 HAS LED ME TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE UNDER THE
23:11:31 CURRENT PLANS OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE
23:11:34 DEVELOPER HAS CHECKED THE BOXES, HAS MET WHAT THE CURRENT
23:11:38 THINGS ARE STATED IN THERE.
23:11:39 AND SO THAT'S WHY WITH WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER,
23:11:45 IDEALLY GETTING SOMETHING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S
23:11:47 CANDIDLY NEEDED MORE COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL TO PROVIDE JOB
23:11:50 GROWTH IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKED AT WHEN DECIDING TO GIVE
23:11:56 MY APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
23:11:58 THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU.
23:12:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:12:01 NEXT SPEAKER.
23:12:08 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
23:12:08 RON NOBLE REPRESENTING CHEMICAL FORMULATORS THIS EVENING.
23:12:12 AS MS. POLLACK STATED I GUESS I AM THE ELEPHANT IN THE
23:12:18 ROOM THIS EVENING.
23:12:18 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS HAS CLOSELY MONITORED, WE
23:12:22 PARTICIPATED IN, BUT WE HAVE NOT OBJECTED TO OR OPPOSED
23:12:24 ANY OF THE REZONINGS OUT ON RATTLESNAKE POINT, AND THAT
23:12:28 IS UNTIL THIS EVENING.
23:12:29 TONIGHT, WE NEED TO SOUND THE ALARM AND WE ARE HERE IN
23:12:32 OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING.
23:12:34 FIRST, JUST FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.
23:12:36 YOU ALREADY HEARD TESTIMONY THIS EVENING FOR THE SAME TWO
23:12:39 REASONS THAT THE COUNCIL DENIED THE REZONING ON THE
23:12:41 SAGGETTE PROPERTY THAT CAME BEFORE YOU THIS PAST YEAR,
23:12:45 THE DENSITY IS WAY TOO INTENSE AND EXCESSIVE.
23:12:47 IT EXCEEDS 35 UNITS PER ACRE.
23:12:49 SECONDLY, THE APPLICATION DOES NOT MEET THE COMP PLAN
23:12:52 REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HURRICANE EVACUATION PROCEDURES AND
23:12:54 REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
23:12:57 THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.
23:12:59 AGAIN, THIS IS PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USES IMMEDIATELY
23:13:03 ADJACENT TO A CHEMICAL PLANT, CHEMICAL FORMULATORS HAS
23:13:08 OWNED AND OPERATED OUT THERE SINCE 1996.
23:13:11 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS TO GIVE YOU A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT
23:13:14 THEY DO, IT'S NOT A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE.
23:13:17 IT SIMPLY HAS OUTDOOR STORAGE OR MANUFACTURING THAT
23:13:20 REQUIRES HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE.
23:13:22 IT IS A CHEMICAL PLANT THAT MANUFACTURERS SODIUM
23:13:25 HYPOCHLORITE, CHEMICAL NAME FOR BLEACH.
23:13:30 THEY ARE PRIMARILY A BLEACH MANUFACTURER AS WELL AS
23:13:32 LESSER AMOUNTS OF OTHER WATER TREATMENT CHEMICALS AND
23:13:34 THEY ALSO PACKAGE AND REPROCESS LARGE VOLUMES OF
23:13:38 CHLORINE.
23:13:42 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS IS AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE PROVIDER
23:13:48 UNDER BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW.
23:13:50 THEY PROVIDE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT CHEMICALS
23:13:52 TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND MUNICIPALITIES THROUGHOUT
23:13:55 FLORIDA, INCLUDING CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY,
23:13:57 PINELLAS COUNTY, AND MANY, MANY OTHERS SO THAT THE
23:13:59 GOVERNMENTS CAN PROVIDE A SAFE SOURCE OF DRINKING WATER.
23:14:03 WE APPRECIATE AND ACCEPT THE FACT, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT
23:14:09 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL THAT HAS COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL
23:14:12 PRIOR TO HAS DECIDED THAT THE POINT IS GOING TO
23:14:15 TRANSITION TO RESIDENTIAL USES.
23:14:16 WE DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO
23:14:19 LIVE WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS AND WE'RE TRYING TO OPERATE
23:14:22 SAFELY.
23:14:22 THE CONCERN HERE IS THAT THERE ARE COMP PLAN RESTRICTIONS
23:14:27 THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE TRANSITION TO OCCUR RIGHT NOW
23:14:31 WHILE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS IS OUT THERE OPERATING THE
23:14:34 CHEMICAL PLANT SPECIFICALLY WITH THEIR CHLORINE.
23:14:38 WE MAKE BLEACH USING CAUSTIC SODA, A HAZARDOUS MATERIAL
23:14:43 AND COLOR OPEN A.
23:14:44 BOTH OF THEM IN VERY LARGE QUANTITIES.
23:14:46 CHLORINE ARRIVES IN RAIL TANKER CARS.
23:14:48 AT ANY GIVEN TIME, UP TO 10, 12, 15 LOADED TANKER CARS OF
23:14:54 CHLORINE RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE
23:14:57 PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED.
23:14:59 THAT'S ABOUT 90 TONS OF LIQUEFIED CHLORINE GAS PER CAR.
23:15:03 DO THE MATH.
23:15:04 IT'S A VERY MASSIVE VOLUME OF VERY DANGEROUS, HAZARDOUS
23:15:09 MATERIAL WHICH I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT BEING NEXT TO
23:15:12 RESIDENTIAL ANYWHERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
23:15:13 THE CAUSTIC SODA COMES IN ON OCEANGOING BARGES.
23:15:17 THESE BARGES ARE GOING TO DOCK RIGHT ADJACENT TO THIS
23:15:21 PUBLIC ACCESS AREA ON THE WATER.
23:15:26 AT ONE POINT, THE APARTMENT DWELLERS ARE GOING TO WAKE UP
23:15:28 AND LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW READY FOR THEIR WATER VIEW AND
23:15:32 RIGHT DOWN THE DOCK FROM THEM IS GOING TO BE AN
23:15:34 OCEANGOING BARGE THAT IS THERE FOR DAYS AND DAYS AT A
23:15:37 TIME, MULTIPLE TIMES PER YEAR DELIVERING THE BARGE.
23:15:45 IF I MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER TWO MINUTES, PLEASE.
23:15:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
23:15:50 >> OUR TRUCKING OPERATIONS, AND THIS GOES TO THE INGRESS
23:15:53 AND EGRESS POINT, SINGLE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINT.
23:15:55 OUR TRUCKING OPERATIONS GO 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS PER
23:15:58 WEEK.
23:15:59 WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THE SAME ENTRANCE OFF OF TYSON
23:16:02 WHAT'S BEEN REFERRED TO AS THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF TYSON.
23:16:05 WE'LL SHARE THE EXACT SAME ENTRANCE WITH THE APARTMENT
23:16:08 DWELLERS AND WE HAVE A VERY LARGE FLEET OF TRUCKS THAT
23:16:11 GOES IN AND OUT CARRYING THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TO AND
23:16:13 FROM CUSTOMERS.
23:16:14 WE ALSO HAVE THE TRUCKS GOING 24 HOURS A DAY WITH THEIR
23:16:17 BACKUP ALARMS.
23:16:19 SIMPLY NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
23:16:23 AS MS. POLLACK NOTED, PRIOR TO 2016 THE COMP PLAN
23:16:28 INCLUDED A PROVISION THAT PREVENTED ANY RESIDENTIAL
23:16:30 DEVELOPMENT ON RATTLESNAKE POINT UNTIL THE HAZARDOUS
23:16:32 MATERIAL HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USERS -- THAT WAS AN ACRONYM
23:16:34 FOR CFI, CHEMICAL FORMULATORS -- WERE NO LONGER PRESENT.
23:16:37 IN 2016, THIS LANDOWNER AND SOME OTHER LANDOWNERS CAME IN
23:16:41 AND CHANGED THAT.
23:16:42 UNFORTUNATELY, CHEMICAL FORMULATORS WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF
23:16:45 THAT AT THE TIME OR WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU AND WE
23:16:48 WOULD HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROCEEDINGS.
23:16:49 THE NEW COMP PLAN STATES THAT WHERE THE PROPOSED PD
23:16:53 REZONING ABUTS EXISTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE
23:16:56 HAZARDOUS TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, A DEMONSTRATION
23:16:59 MUST BE MADE TO DESIGN ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE
23:17:04 OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW USE SHALL NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FROM
23:17:08 SUCH HAZARD.
23:17:09 MS. POLLACK AND THE TEAM TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT DESIGN
23:17:13 FEATURES AND AMENITIES AND PRACTICES INCORPORATED BUT I
23:17:15 CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT IS DEFICIENT TO PROTECT FUTURE
23:17:19 RESIDENTS FROM A CHLORINE GAS LEAK.
23:17:21 CHLORINE GAS DOES NOT FOLLOW A TEN-FOOT WALL THAT'S BEEN
23:17:24 ERECTED.
23:17:25 IT IS NOT GOING TO BE OBSTRUCTED BY AN OPEN-AIR PARKING
23:17:29 GARAGE.
23:17:29 DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING IN THE EVENT
23:17:32 OF AN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT, THE CONSEQUENCES COULD BE
23:17:35 FATAL, QUITE FRANKLY.
23:17:42 TO DUMB IT DOWN FOR MY PURPOSES WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS ME WHY
23:17:45 DO WE HAVE ZONING REGS.
23:17:47 I GIVE MY BASIC 101 ZONING.
23:17:50 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE
23:17:53 TO HAVE COMPATIBLE USES ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER.
23:17:56 GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
23:17:57 THE EXAMPLE WE USE IS THE EXAMPLE THAT STAFF HAS USED IN
23:18:00 THE PAST.
23:18:01 WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO A
23:18:03 CHEMICAL PLANT OR SOME OTHER HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE.
23:18:06 WE REALIZE THE POINT IS GOING TO TRANSITION, CHEMICAL
23:18:11 FORMULATORS WILL EVENTUALLY TRANSITION, BUT YOU'RE GOING
23:18:13 TO HEAR IN YOUR REBUTTAL TESTIMONY THAT WE BUILT A NEW
23:18:16 PLANT IN ANOTHER COUNTY AND WE'RE MOVING.
23:18:18 WE'RE NOT MOVING.
23:18:20 SPECIFICALLY THE CHLORINE OPERATION WILL NOT BE MOVING
23:18:23 ANY TIME SOON, AND WE ASK THAT THIS REZONING PLEASE BE
23:18:25 DENIED, COUNCIL.
23:18:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:18:27 COUNCILMAN GUDES AND THEN DINGFELDER.
23:18:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTION FOR STAFF AND PLANNING
23:18:33 COMMISSION.
23:18:34 ARE WE AWARE OF WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN IS TALKING ABOUT?
23:18:38 >>RYAN MANASSE: IN REFERENCE TO?
23:18:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE CHEMICAL PLANT.
23:18:43 WHAT'S OUT THERE.
23:18:45 SOME OF THE THINGS HE JUST MENTIONED.
23:18:46 I HAVE A CONCERN.
23:18:47 I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS OUT THERE.
23:18:49 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT --
23:18:50 >>RYAN MANASSE: THE ZONING WOULD STILL ALLOW FOR THIS TO
23:18:53 BE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU AS A REZONING REQUEST, SIR.
23:18:55 WE CAN COMPARE IT TO THE CHANNEL DISTRICT THAT'S
23:18:59 IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM THE PORT OF TAMPA.
23:19:02 IF THE ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR IT TO BE BEFORE YOU AS
23:19:05 A REQUEST, IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO REQUEST THIS PETITION TO
23:19:09 YOU.
23:19:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANASSE, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM
23:19:17 CHANNELSIDE ACROSS THE WATER TO THOSE PLANTS?
23:19:21 >>RYAN MANASSE: COULDN'T TELL YOU, SIR.
23:19:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
23:19:24 IT'S HUNDREDS OF YARDS.
23:19:25 >>RYAN MANASSE: I'M JUST STATING FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN,
23:19:28 IF THE REZONING WAS NOT --
23:19:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT YOU'RE
23:19:32 TESTIFYING ON THE RECORD THAT IT'S THE SAME THING.
23:19:34 >>RYAN MANASSE: I'M NOT.
23:19:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME THING
23:19:37 WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 20 FEET OF BUFFER VERSUS A
23:19:39 COUPLE HUNDRED YARDS OF WATER.
23:19:42 >>RYAN MANASSE: JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO IT IS PERFECTLY
23:19:45 CLEAR, THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THE REQUEST
23:19:48 BEFORE YOU IS ALLOWED PER OUR CONSISTENCY MATRIX.
23:19:51 AGAIN, IT'S UP TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE OR DENY THAT
23:19:54 PETITION.
23:19:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAD A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
23:19:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION STILL ON
23:20:02 THERE?
23:20:03 DANNY, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THIS
23:20:08 GENTLEMAN JUST TALKED ABOUT AS IT RELATES TO -- GIVE SOME
23:20:14 EXPLANATION IN REFERENCE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
23:20:16 >>DANNY COLLINS: -- WERE REMOVED BY THE PREVIOUS CITY
23:20:20 COUNCIL, IT STATED IN OUR REPORT, THE APPLICANT HAS MET
23:20:25 ALL THE POLICIES WITHIN THE RATTLESNAKE POINT SECTION OF
23:20:30 THE COMP PLAN, WHICH TALKS ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE
23:20:36 CMU-35 IN THE RATTLESNAKE POINT AREA.
23:20:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE DESIGN THAT THE PETITIONER IS
23:20:42 TALKING ABOUT MEETS THE GUIDELINES VERSUS WHAT THE
23:20:45 GENTLEMAN IS SAYING THAT --
23:20:48 >>DANNY COLLINS: THE APPLICANT HAS PLACED PARKING GARAGE
23:20:57 AT THE SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
23:21:01 HAS PROVIDED A WALL AND ALSO A BUFFER BETWEEN THE
23:21:07 CHLORINE PLANT, OR THE ACTIVE INDUSTRIAL PLANT AND THE
23:21:12 RESIDENCES.
23:21:12 SO PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THE
23:21:18 APPLICANT HAS MITIGATED ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS CAUSED BY THE
23:21:23 PLANT.
23:21:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS THE DISTANCE?
23:21:26 >>DANNY COLLINS: I DON'T KNOW OFF HAND.
23:21:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE IS FROM
23:21:32 A CHEMICAL PLANT TO RESIDENTIAL AND WE'RE SAYING -- MR.
23:21:37 MANASSE -- CHANNEL AND THE PORT, SO WE HAVE NO DISTANCE
23:21:40 AT ALL.
23:21:41 >>DANNY COLLINS: I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF
23:21:44 ME.
23:21:45 THERE'S NO POLICIES IN THE PLAN THAT DEAL WITH THE
23:21:52 DISTANCE FROM A CHLORINE PLANT TO THE RESIDENTIAL
23:21:55 DEVELOPMENT.
23:21:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M JUST SAYING IT'S CHEMICAL.
23:22:02 HOW FAR THIS STUFF SHOULD BE FROM FOLKS.
23:22:06 HUMAN BEINGS.
23:22:10 THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.
23:22:11 I'M THINKING -- I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ONCE I COME UP.
23:22:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
23:22:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. NOBLE, YOU MADE REFERENCE TO COMP
23:22:21 PLAN PROVISION THAT SPEAKS TO THIS PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
23:22:26 WHAT IS THAT PROVISION?
23:22:28 >> THERE IS A COMP PLAN PROVISION NOW, MR. DINGFELDER.
23:22:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HAVE YOU MAKE
23:22:36 REFERENCE TO SO WE COULD TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT.
23:22:44 >> AGAIN, THE PRIOR COMP PLAN PROVISION THAT WAS AGREED
23:22:47 UPON BY ALL THE RATTLESNAKE POINT OWNERS AT THE TIME
23:22:52 HISTORICALLY WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO TRANSITION TO
23:22:55 RESIDENTIAL UNTIL THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, HEAVY
23:22:59 INDUSTRIAL USERS HAD VACATED THE POINT.
23:23:01 THAT WAS THE REFERENCE TO MY CLIENT'S FACILITY, CFI.
23:23:05 THAT WAS THEN REPLACED IN 2016 WITH A PROVISION THAT SAID
23:23:09 WHERE THE PROPOSED PD REZONING ABUTS.
23:23:13 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING TO
23:23:17 ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
23:23:17 THERE IS NO DISTANCE OR SEPARATION.
23:23:20 THE PROPERTIES ARE IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING ONE ANOTHER.
23:23:22 ABUTS EXISTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS
23:23:26 TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, DEMONSTRATION THROUGH DESIGN
23:23:30 AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT TO OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW USE
23:23:34 SHALL NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FROM SUCH HAZARDS.
23:23:38 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK THE STANDARD THAT WE'RE
23:23:41 EVALUATING IS THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE BEING PLACED UNDULY
23:23:46 AT RISK FROM THE EXISTING HAZARD.
23:23:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S THE PROVISION YOU'RE READING?
23:23:53 IS THAT A POLICY OR OBJECTIVE?
23:23:59 >> IT'S SPECIFICALLY IN THE RATTLESNAKE POINT DESIGNATED
23:24:03 THAT CREATED THIS WHOLE RATTLESNAKE POINT COMP PLAN AREA.
23:24:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO OUR FOLKS HAVE IT?
23:24:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE PETITIONER PROVIDED IT.
23:24:16 POLICY 8.11.5.
23:24:22 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
23:24:24 I REFER TO DANNY COLLINS.
23:24:26 I KNOW HE'S VIRTUALLY.
23:24:28 IF WE HAD ANY QUESTIONS WITH STAFF AND THE PLANNING
23:24:31 COMMISSION AND THE POLICY, I SUGGEST WE BRING HIM BACK
23:24:34 UP.
23:24:37 >>DANNY COLLINS: I'M LOOKING AT THAT POLICY AT THE
23:24:41 MOMENT.
23:24:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. NOBLE.
23:24:50 >>DANNY COLLINS: AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, ALSO STATED IN
23:24:52 OUR REPORT, ON PAGE 5 OF OUR REPORT, THE APPLICANT HAS
23:24:59 MITIGATED THIS RISK BY PROVIDING THE GARAGE AT THE
23:25:03 SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE AND ALSO PROVIDING A
23:25:06 FOUR-FOOT OR TEN-FOOT WALL AND ALSO A FOUR-FOOT WALL
23:25:10 BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
23:25:11 SO THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THAT POLICY IN THE PLAN.
23:25:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DANNY, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS MR. NOBLE'S
23:25:23 CONCERNS SINCE HE REPRESENTS THE MANUFACTURER AND HE'S
23:25:27 SPOKEN TO CHEMICAL GASSES THAT KNOW NO BOUNDS AND DON'T
23:25:33 CARE ABOUT WALLS AND TEN-FOOT BUFFERS.
23:25:37 YOU SAY THEY HAVE ADEQUATELY MITIGATED FOR IT?
23:25:41 CAN YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AS A PLANNER AS OPPOSED
23:25:51 TO PUBLIC HEALTH?
23:25:55 >>DANNY COLLINS: RIGHT.
23:25:55 THIS SITE IS WITHIN THE CMU 35 DESIGNATION.
23:25:58 SO CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS AREA AND RESIDENTIAL USES
23:26:03 CAN BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE CMU 35 DESIGNATION.
23:26:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN BE CONSIDERED.
23:26:10 BUT IF WE MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THERE REMAINS AN
23:26:12 UNDUE RISK PURSUANT TO LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, YOU CAN'T
23:26:18 SAY THAT THERE'S NOT AN UNDUE RISK.
23:26:23 YOU'RE -- I'M GOING TO ASSUME YOU'RE NOT A CHEMIST.
23:26:26 YOU'RE NOT AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PERSON.
23:26:31 I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF WHAT WE'RE
23:26:35 TESTIFYING TO.
23:26:35 ALL RIGHT.
23:26:42 I'M GOOD WITH YOU.
23:26:43 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
23:26:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL IN 2016 HAD
23:26:49 GOOD INTENTIONS, BUT SOMETIMES YOU RUN INTO ROADBLOCKS AT
23:26:55 TIMES I THINK DEALING WITH THE ISSUES IN THAT AREA THERE
23:27:03 ARE CHALLENGES COMING UP.
23:27:04 AGAIN, MAYBE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS
23:27:07 CHEMICAL SITUATION.
23:27:08 I THINK SOMETIMES WE PUT THINGS ON THE TABLE WHAT WE
23:27:11 DON'T PUT THE EXTRA SAUCE ON IT THAT GOES WITH THE MEAL.
23:27:16 AND I THINK -- I DON'T THINK THIS GENTLEMAN WOULD BE HERE
23:27:20 IF HE DIDN'T FEEL THE SAUCE WAS NOT BEING UTILIZED
23:27:26 PROPERLY.
23:27:27 I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO MAYBE GET
23:27:30 SOME ANSWERS, SOME BETTER ANSWERS TO THE SITUATION HERE.
23:27:35 I DEAL WITH PEOPLE, MY CHILDREN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
23:27:39 PEOPLE WHO HAVE LUNG ISSUES.
23:27:42 YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN OR WHAT CAN OCCUR.
23:27:45 FOR ME, I THINK WE NEED A FEW MORE ANSWERS IN REFERENCE
23:27:48 TO WHAT THE GENTLEMAN HAS STATED TO US.
23:27:51 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE SOME GOOD STAFF HERE, BUT I
23:27:55 THINK WE'RE STILL MISSING A FEW ANSWERS FOR THIS COUNCIL
23:27:57 TO MAKE A GOOD DETERMINATION, FOR ME TO MAKE A POSITIVE
23:28:00 DETERMINATION.
23:28:02 BUT I'LL YIELD BACK.
23:28:03 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
23:28:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
23:28:05 ANYBODY ELSE?
23:28:07 WHO IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
23:28:09 ANYBODY HERE?
23:28:14 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, DAVID MECHANIK, 305
23:28:19 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
23:28:21 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF VIPER VENTURES, WHICH IS THE OWNER
23:28:27 OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS ZONING
23:28:31 APPLICATION.
23:28:32 AND WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.
23:28:38 MY CLIENT, BILL CURTIS, WANTED ME TO SORT OF GO THROUGH.
23:28:43 YOU PLOWED A LOT OF THIS GROUND, SO I'M GOING TO BE VERY
23:28:46 BRIEF WITH THIS, BUT THERE WERE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS
23:28:52 OVER THE YEARS, AND IN 2006, A GROUP OF THE PROPERTY
23:28:57 OWNERS GOT TOGETHER, AND THEY REALIZED THAT INDUSTRIAL
23:29:02 USES THERE WERE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE.
23:29:05 IN FACT, THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT CURRENTLY USED
23:29:10 INDUSTRIAL WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
23:29:14 DEVELOP UNLESS THEY TRANSITIONED INTO MULTIFAMILY AND
23:29:21 RAIL TYPE USE -- AND RETAIL TYPE USES.
23:29:24 SO WE PROPOSED AN AMENDMENT BACK IN 2006, WHICH THIS CITY
23:29:32 COUNCIL EMBRACED, AND WE DEVELOPED A NUMBER OF THOSE
23:29:39 POLICIES TO ALLOW FOR THE TRANSITION.
23:29:41 AND AS CITY COUNCIL ENTHUSIASTICALLY APPROVED THAT
23:29:48 BECAUSE IT WAS AN IDEAL PIECE OF PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR
23:29:52 WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR.
23:29:58 SOME THINGS THAT MR. DINGFELDER ALLUDED TO, THERE WERE
23:30:04 CONCERNS BACK IN '06 AND '07 FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF
23:30:08 COMMUNITY AFFAIRS WHICH WAS THE AGENCY WHICH ENFORCED
23:30:15 1985 GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACT, AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT
23:30:20 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS AND POPULATION DENSITY.
23:30:24 SO THEY HAD RAISED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT OUR AMENDMENT, AND
23:30:29 WE MADE CHANGES, AND THOSE CHANGES ARE WHAT PASSED MUSTER
23:30:35 WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS BACK IN 2007.
23:30:40 AND THOSE POLICIES REMAIN INTACT TODAY.
23:30:45 SO IT'S NOT AS IF THESE ISSUES WEREN'T CONSIDERED.
23:30:49 THEY WERE.
23:30:49 AND, IN FACT, THERE WERE SEVEN PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT
23:30:53 OCCURRED BETWEEN 2007 AND 2018 WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL
23:31:02 ENDORSED THE IDEA OF TRANSITIONING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO
23:31:08 MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL USES.
23:31:11 INDEED, WHAT MR. NOBLE WAS JUST REFERRING TO, THERE WAS
23:31:15 AN AMENDMENT IN 2018 THAT ALLOWED THE USES TO COEXIST IF
23:31:22 THERE WERE PROPER SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.
23:31:28 THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE.
23:31:32 THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DEALT WITH IT IN THE PAST.
23:31:35 I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION SOMETHING, WHICH WAS SORT OF AN
23:31:40 ODD OCCURRENCE TODAY.
23:31:43 WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS AN OBJECTION BY GULF STREAM
23:31:48 YACHTS TO THE PROPOSED REZONING.
23:31:50 THERE WAS AN E-MAIL SENT TO CITY COUNCIL.
23:31:55 WE'D LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT GULF STREAM YACHTS IS
23:31:59 ONLY A TENANT OF VIPER, AND THEIR LEASE EXPIRES IN APRIL
23:32:05 OF THIS YEAR.
23:32:06 MY CLIENT DOES NOT INTEND TO RENEW THEIR LEASE, SO WE
23:32:11 DON'T, FRANKLY, UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD BE OBJECTING
23:32:14 WHEN THEY'LL BE VACATING THE PREMISES IN APRIL OF THIS
23:32:19 YEAR.
23:32:19 SO I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT IN
23:32:23 CONSIDERATION OF THAT OBJECTION.
23:32:25 THANK YOU.
23:32:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:32:26 NEXT SPEAKER.
23:32:29 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
23:32:49 OH, THERE WE GO.
23:32:50 CAN WE GET THIS UP THERE?
23:32:52 >> YES, IT'S ON THERE.
23:32:54 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.
23:32:57 I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR STOP OVERBUILDING SOG.
23:33:01 I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
23:33:03 I DO NOT AGREE WITH MR. BROWN'S BACKING THIS PLAN, SO I
23:33:13 WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S FIRST.
23:33:14 AND I WANT TO SHOW THIS TO YOU GUYS. CAN WE GET IT WHERE
23:33:17 IT'S CLOSER?
23:33:18 BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE COMP PLAN AND IT DIRECTLY APPLIES
23:33:21 TO WHAT MR. NOBLE HAD SAID.
23:33:22 IT SAID LAND USE POLICY 8.10.4 ENSURE THAT ADEQUATE
23:33:29 TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
23:33:33 PEOPLE LIVING IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ABUTTING
23:33:36 INDUSTRIAL USES SHALL HAVE SAFE CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE
23:33:39 INDUSTRIAL AREAS IF NEEDED.
23:33:41 THAT MEANS, FOR EXAMPLE, PORT TAMPA, PICNIC ISLAND, AND
23:33:45 THAT'S PRIMARILY, BUT I TALKED TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT
23:33:49 THIS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST, BUT I PULLED THIS OUT
23:33:53 WHEN MR. DINGFELDER WAS ASKING WHAT THE RULES WERE, AND I
23:33:57 WOULD THINK THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT,
23:33:59 AND I WAS UNAWARE UNTIL MR. NOBLES SHARED -- THEY ARE
23:34:05 SHARING A DRIVEWAY WITH THESE PEOPLE. SO THE PEOPLE WHO
23:34:07 COME HOME DRUNK, OH, THEY ARE DRIVING ON THE SAME ROAD
23:34:10 WITH THESE CHEMICAL TRUCKS.
23:34:11 THEY ARE GOING OVER RAILROAD TRACKS THAT -- THEY DON'T GO
23:34:17 OVER RAILROAD TRACKS SO THEY GO OVER THE OTHER RAILROAD
23:34:20 TRACKS.
23:34:21 I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
23:34:23 BUT I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ACTUALLY APPLIES
23:34:26 TO THAT AS WELL.
23:34:27 I'M SORRY, I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU GUYS.
23:34:33 I KNOW I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES BUT I WANTED TO TALK
23:34:36 ABOUT THAT.
23:34:36 YOU GUYS HAVE PUT IN THE REQUEST TO HAVE THIS 1,000-FOOT
23:34:39 BUFFER.
23:34:39 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT NOT ONE RESIDENT WAS
23:34:44 NOTIFIED FOR THIS PROPERTY.
23:34:48 NOT ONE RESIDENT UNTIL I WAS THERE.
23:34:54 I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TOO THAT THEY WANT TO USE THIS.
23:34:58 IT'S SO AMAZING HOW YOU CAN MAKE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND
23:35:03 COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
23:35:04 WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?
23:35:05 THERE'S TWO DEFINITIONS OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
23:35:07 I LOOKED UP COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT,
23:35:10 ASSOCIATIONS, AND THE GROUPING OF MULTIPLE, SIGNIFICANT
23:35:15 USES WITHIN THE SINGLE SITE AND BUILDING RETAIL OFFICE
23:35:20 AND RESIDENTIAL, THE COMP PLAN, ONCE AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO
23:35:24 THE COMP PLAN THAT REALLY NEEDS SOME ADJUSTMENT.
23:35:27 GUESS WHAT.
23:35:28 THE ARTICLES OF FEDERATION WERE REVISED FIVE YEARS AFTER
23:35:35 THEY WERE WRITTEN.
23:35:35 AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT A CONSTITUTION.
23:35:40 SO I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS.
23:35:42 FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE -- THESE ARE ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS
23:35:47 THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON RATTLESNAKE POINT THE LAST COUPLE
23:35:50 YEARS.
23:35:50 NOW PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.
23:35:52 I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THESE FINE DATABASES AND
23:35:55 EVERYTHING, SO THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT I PULLED.
23:35:57 AND YES, SOME OF THESE ARE TOWNHOMES.
23:35:59 SO THEY HAVE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THEY HAVE ALREADY
23:36:03 APPROVED, THERE'S ONE THAT HAT HAS NOT EVEN BROKEN GROUND
23:36:07 YET, 1197 UNITS ON RATTLESNAKE POINT HAVE ALREADY BEEN
23:36:14 APPROVED, OR BEING BUILT.
23:36:15 OKAY.
23:36:16 NOW, IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT, AND THIS IS THE MATH TEACHER,
23:36:19 OKAY, IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 1,000 SQUARE FEET, CAN YOU
23:36:22 BEAR WITH ME FOR JUST A SECOND?
23:36:24 OKAY.
23:36:25 THAT'S 1,197,000 SQUARE FEET.
23:36:30 NOW, IN THAT AREA, IN THE ENTIRE AREA, THERE IS
23:36:35 ONLY CURRENTLY 24,000 RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL SPACE WHICH
23:36:35 AMOUNTS TO POINT 02 OF THAT PROPERTY. AND THEY ARE GOING
23:36:35 TO BE NICE -- AND THAT'S NOT WATERFRONT. IT'S BEHIND THE
23:36:35 TOWNHOUSES. BEHIND THE APARTMENTS. BEHIND EVERYTHING
23:36:35 ELSE.
23:36:47 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER. NEXT WE GO TO
23:37:38 THOSE WHO ARE VIRTUAL.
23:37:39 IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
23:37:41 THERE'S RANDY COEN, JAMES HUNT AND JEAN STROHMEYER.
23:38:00 ALL RIGHT, GENE, YOU ARE FIRST.
23:38:02 >> BEFORE I START, CARROLL ANN HAS SOME DOCUMENTS THAT
23:38:06 SHE NEEDS TO PRESENT BECAUSE SHE'S THERE PERSONALLY AND
23:38:09 SHE WAS GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE SCREEN FOR EVERYBODY.
23:38:11 HI EVERYBODY AGAIN.
23:38:13 WE ARE BACK.
23:38:13 YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
23:38:17 WE CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY, SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE ALWAYS
23:38:19 HERE TOGETHER.
23:38:24 AND IT IS 11:30 P.M.
23:38:26 ANOTHER LATE NIGHT.
23:38:27 WE ARE GETTING USED TO THIS, AREN'T WE, GUYS?
23:38:29 OKAY.
23:38:38 WHERE IS CARROLL ANN?
23:38:40 PUT IT ON THE SCREEN OR WHATEVER.
23:38:41 OKAY.
23:38:42 WHATEVER.
23:38:51 LET ME KNOW WHEN WE SHOULD GO.
23:38:55 I HAD THIS DOWN TO EXACTLY THREE MINUTES.
23:38:57 I'M REALLY TIRED NOW.
23:39:02 YOU GUYS JUST DON'T LIKE US.
23:39:04 WHO SETS THESE MEETINGS UP?
23:39:06 WHY ARE WE SO LATE ALL THE TIME?
23:39:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M THE KUWAIT ONE ON COUNCIL.
23:39:10 I'M THE QUIET ONE.
23:39:11 >> WHY AREN'T ARE WE ALWAYS LAST?
23:39:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET GOING.
23:39:19 ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF US.
23:39:20 >> OKAY.
23:39:22 HOW COME I DON'T SEE IT?
23:39:24 THAT'S OKAY.
23:39:26 MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, PRESIDENT OF INTERBAY SOUTH
23:39:30 GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION, AND A CITIZEN.
23:39:33 WE OPPOSE THIS PROJECT BACKED BUILT APPLICANT'S OWN
23:39:43 STUDY.
23:39:44 IT SHOWED IT WOULD GENERATE 2,535 TRIPS OR CARS A DAY ON
23:39:49 THESE FAILING ROADS.
23:39:51 THIS ASSUMES WE KNOW, WE ASSUME, THAT THE NEW GANDY
23:39:55 OVERPASS WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC DECREASE TRAFFIC BY 30%.
23:40:01 LET'S HOPE THAT TRUE.
23:40:02 THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS THAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED
23:40:06 AT WESTSHORE, GANDY AND MANHATTAN AND GANDY.
23:40:09 THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL COST $2.6 MILLION.
23:40:13 FORTUNATELY FOR US, THEY MUST PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF
23:40:17 THAT 2.6.
23:40:19 THEIR FAIR SHARE IS LESS THAN $100,000.
23:40:23 DOES THAT SEEM FAIR TO YOU?
23:40:25 NOT TO ME.
23:40:26 AND GUESS WHO IS PAYING THE REST.
23:40:31 GUESS WHO IS GOING TO SUBSIDIZE BY PAYING FOR THE
23:40:35 STRUCTURE?
23:40:36 IT'S GOING TO BE ME.
23:40:37 IT'S GOING TO BE YOU.
23:40:38 IT'S GOING TO BE THE REST OF THE CITIZENS DOWN HERE.
23:40:40 AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY FAIR EITHER.
23:40:42 THE BEST PART OF IT IS THE CITY SPENDS THE 2.6 MILLION ON
23:40:46 THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS.
23:40:48 THEY WILL STILL FALL BELOW THE CITY'S ESTABLISHED LEVEL
23:40:50 OF SERVICE.
23:40:51 THEY FAIL.
23:40:52 THE DEFINITION OF FAILED ROADS ARE VEHICLE ARE OFTEN
23:40:58 REQUIRED TO COME TO A COMPLETE STOP AND DRIVERS
23:41:01 EXPERIENCE CONSIDERABLE PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL
23:41:04 DISCOMFORT.
23:41:05 THERE'S A LOT OF ROAD RAGE GOING ON DOWN HERE.
23:41:10 AND THERE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVEMENT, A BRAND NEW TRAFFIC
23:41:14 LIGHT WILL BE NEEDED AT WESTSHORE.
23:41:16 THE COST OF THAT IS BETWEEN 1 AND $2 MILLION.
23:41:19 HOW MUCH IS THEIR FAIR SHARE, YOU ASK?
23:41:21 THE DEVELOPER SAYS 5.8%.
23:41:24 DOESN'T SOUND VERY FAIR TO ME.
23:41:27 BY THE WAY, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO CONSIDER,
23:41:30 AS MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT UP, TILL TWO YEARS AFTER THE CO
23:41:36 SO CONSIDERING ALL THE PREVIOUS MEGA APARTMENT COMPLEXES,
23:41:41 THAT MEANS WE THE RESIDENTS COULD SUFFER THROUGH
23:41:45 INTERSECTIONS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME.
23:41:48 ALL OF THIS ON TRIPS AND LEVELS OF SERVICE DOES NOT
23:41:52 INCLUDE THE RECENTLY APPROVED APARTMENT COMPLEX WHICH IS
23:41:56 SUPPOSED TO GENERATE ANOTHER 1,813 TRIPS PER DAY.
23:42:00 SO ACTUALLY THE INTERSECTIONS WILL FAIL EVEN FAR WORSE
23:42:03 THAN AN F.
23:42:15 WE REITERATE THE NEED FOR A MORATORIUM, A BUILDING ON ANY
23:42:19 LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES SOUTH OF GANDY.
23:42:21 BUT THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THIS
23:42:26 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU.
23:42:30 AND ONE FINAL THING.
23:42:32 HOW DOES THE CITY OF TAMPA PLAN ON SUPPLYING ALL THESE
23:42:36 PEOPLE IN THESE MEGA APARTMENT COMPLEX UNITS WITH CLEAN
23:42:40 DRINKING WATER?
23:42:41 THAT'S RIGHT, THE CITY WANTS US TO DRINK WATER FROM THE
23:42:44 TOILETS.
23:42:46 THANK YOU.
23:42:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:42:52 NEXT SPEAKER.
23:42:53 MR. HUNN.
23:42:56 IT'S JAMES HUNN, CORRECT?
23:42:59 >> ACTUALLY, I PUT BOTH NAMES IN.
23:43:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS THINKING THE FORMULA ONE
23:43:06 DRIVER.
23:43:07 GO AHEAD, SIR.
23:43:08 >> UNFORTUNATELY NOT.
23:43:09 AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, I AM THE HEAD OF GULF STREAM
23:43:14 YACHTS SO WE ARE CURRENTLY A TENANT OF THAT PROPERTY, AND
23:43:18 AS HE ACCURATELY STATED WE WILL BE LEAVING THE PROPERTY
23:43:22 IN A FEW MONTHS.
23:43:24 SO MY INTEREST IS MORE AS A CITIZEN OF TAMPA BAY.
23:43:33 AND I THINK A LOT OF POINTS MADE IN THE E-MAIL THAT WAS
23:43:37 SENT TO YOU, I ASSUME THAT YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT,
23:43:40 BUT WE HAD THREE MAIN OPPOSITIONS, FIRST BEING TRAFFIC,
23:43:46 AND I THINK JEAN DID AN EXCELLENT JOB KIND OF PICKING OFF
23:43:53 THAT POINT BUT I WILL TAKE IT A LITTLE FURTHER.
23:43:55 THE PEOPLE DOWN IN THAT AREA, THEY ARE NOT ONLY TO GET
23:44:01 THE GANDY INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE
23:44:05 AREN'T CONTINUING ALL THE WAY OUT, THEY WANT TO GO TO
23:44:07 INTERNATIONAL PLAZA, THEY WANT TO GO TO THE AIRPORT, THEY
23:44:10 WANT TO GO TO I-275, THEY WANT TO GO TO THE STADIUM.
23:44:15 IT'S A SINGLE LANE ROAD ALL THE WAY UP THERE, AND THERE
23:44:21 IS NO WAY UNLESS THE CITY IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING OAR
23:44:25 TAKE A BUNCH OF THE HOUSES FROM BEACH -- THERE'S NO WAY
23:44:32 TO WIDEN THAT ROAD, AND THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY SO BAD, I
23:44:38 SEE IT COMING FROM -- A LOT OF TIMES IT CAN BE BACKED UP
23:44:44 PAST TYSON, AND THAT'S BEFORE A NUMBER OF THESE BIG
23:44:50 DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN FINISHED AND THERE'S MORE COMING,
23:44:52 AND THIS IS DURING THE PANDEMIC SO THERE'S A LOT OF
23:44:55 PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EACH GOING ABOUT THEIR DAILY BUSINESS.
23:44:59 WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT EXTRA POPULATION, PLUS PEOPLE ARE
23:45:02 GOING BACK UP ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS
23:45:07 I THINK THIS MAY BE A FINE DEVELOPMENT AND MAY BE GREAT.
23:45:11 THINK THE AREA NEEDS TO DIGEST WHAT'S GOING ON THERE
23:45:14 FIRST.
23:45:15 SO THAT WOULD BE MY POINT ON TRAFFIC.
23:45:19 SECOND POINT WAS THE SHIP HAS ALREADY SAILED, BUT ONCE
23:45:26 AGAIN WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY
23:45:30 SKIN IN THE GAME.
23:45:30 BUT YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AROUND THOSE
23:45:33 PROPERTIES, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WATERFRONT, INDUSTRIAL
23:45:36 PROPERTY IN THE CITY, AND IT'S NEVER COMING BACK, AND IF
23:45:41 YOU GO RIGHT THEY'RE RIGHT NOW YOU SEE ALL THE CRANES
23:45:44 THAT ARE SUPPORTING PROJECTS HAVING TO DO WITH THE FACT
23:45:46 THAT WE ENJOY THIS GREAT CITY ON THE WATER, BRIDGES NEED
23:45:50 TO BE MAINTAINED, REPLACED, AND ALL THE STUFF IS
23:45:54 HAPPENING RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW.
23:45:55 SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THAT GOES
23:46:00 AWAY.
23:46:02 MY LAST POINT WHICH WAS THE MOST CONCERNING TO ME,
23:46:05 BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING
23:46:07 ON DOWN THERE, THIS IS AGAIN AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN,
23:46:11 THANKFULLY, MR. NOBLES MADE IT FOR ME.
23:46:16 SO THE IDEA OF A WALL IS ABSURD, YOU KNOW.
23:46:22 IF YOU ARE DEALING WITH CHLORINE GAS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
23:46:27 KNOW HOW MANY USES SITTING THERE BUT 299, YOU CAN KILL A
23:46:32 LOT OF PEOPLE PRETTY QUICKLY.
23:46:34 AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR HANDS.
23:46:36 SO I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THE CITY AT LEAST
23:46:40 COMMISSION SOME KIND OF STUDY THAT REALLY UNDERSTANDS
23:46:42 WHAT THAT RISK IS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. NOBLES WOULD BE
23:46:46 HELPFUL WITH THAT.
23:46:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:46:49 >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
23:46:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
23:46:53 NEXT SPEAKER.
23:46:55 I THINK THAT'S IT.
23:46:56 >>THE CLERK: THAT'S IT FOR THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
23:47:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:47:01 ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL?
23:47:02 IF NOT WE GO TO REBUTTAL.
23:47:11 OKAY, REBUTTAL.
23:47:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. STROHMEYER IS STILL ON THE SCREEN.
23:47:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE'S NOT ANYMORE.
23:47:19 >> GOOD EVENING ONCE AGAIN.
23:47:23 ANNE POLLACK REPRESENTING APPLICANT.
23:47:25 I HAVE A LOT OF POINTS TO MAKE.
23:47:27 I AM GOING TO HOPEFULLY MAKE THEM ALL IN THE FIVE
23:47:29 MINUTES.
23:47:31 THE FACT THAT WESTSHORE MAY BE A FAILING ROAD IS NOT A
23:47:36 BASIS FOR DENIAL.
23:47:37 WE HAVE MET OUR COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE
23:47:40 RECORD TO SHOW THAT WE ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF
23:47:43 THE CODE.
23:47:44 WE ARE PAYING OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE PER THE METHODOLOGY
23:47:47 THAT WAS DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY REQUIREMENTS.
23:47:53 WE FEEL THAT WITH REGARD TO MIXED USE, THE COMP PLAN,
23:47:59 FIRST OF ALL, THE DEFINITION IS NOT APPLICABLE HERE.
23:48:02 THE COMP PLAN ENCOURAGES COMMERCIAL IN CMU-35 BUT IT
23:48:08 DOESN'T REQUIRE IT, AND THERE IS NO SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE
23:48:10 IN THE COMP PLAN TO ENFORCE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
23:48:13 COMMERCIAL.
23:48:15 WE FEEL THAT THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITE WITH NOT MUCH
23:48:20 FRONTAGE, AND SO WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE WATERFRONT.
23:48:23 WE ARE PUTTING THE COMMERCIAL THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET ON
23:48:26 THE WATERFRONT, SO IT IS WORKING TO BENEFIT THE PUBLIC
23:48:31 OUT THERE.
23:48:32 WITH REGARD TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, THAT WILL BE PUT IN
23:48:38 WHEN WARRANTED.
23:48:39 THAT'S WHAT THE SIGNAL WARRANT STUDY DOES, AND WHEN THE
23:48:42 CITY HAS DETERMINED THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DO IT, WE
23:48:45 WILL DO IT.
23:48:45 AND IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO PAY, WE WILL PAY.
23:48:48 LASTLY, I REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS CFI, CHEMICAL
23:48:55 FORMULATORS.
23:48:57 I APPRECIATE MR. NOBLES CONCERNS, BUT WE ARE IN A CITY,
23:49:06 AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, IN WHICH THERE'S A MIX OF
23:49:09 RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ACROSS THE CITY.
23:49:12 AND FOR HIM OR THE CITY TO SUGGEST THAT SIMPLY THIS ONE
23:49:19 PROJECT HERE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BE EFFECTED BY
23:49:25 SOME PROBLEM IS TOTALLY INCORRECT.
23:49:30 A TRAIN RUNS THROUGH THE CITY, THROUGH THE MOST DENSE
23:49:34 PART OF THE CITY, THREE TIMES A WEEK, THROUGH SOUTH
23:49:38 TAMPA.
23:49:39 WITH THOSE CHEMICALS IN IT.
23:49:42 AN ACCIDENT COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE ALONG THAT TRACK.
23:49:47 IF THE WIND BLEW THE WRONG WAY OR THE RIGHT WAY, I DON'T
23:49:52 KNOW, A LEAK OF THE CHEMICAL PLANT COULD GO STRAIGHT TO
23:49:56 WESTSHORE MARINA DISTRICT, WHICH YOU HAVE APPROVED.
23:49:59 WESTSHORE YACHT CLUB, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTH, INTO THE
23:50:02 SOUTH TAMPA.
23:50:04 WE ARE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE HAVE -- THIS COUNCIL
23:50:08 HAS MADE A DETERMINATION THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO TRY TO
23:50:12 PUSH FORWARD A TRANSITION OF THIS SITE, AND THAT IT IS
23:50:17 APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A MIX OF USES TOGETHER, RECOGNIZING
23:50:21 FROM WHERE WE COME AND TO WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO HEAD.
23:50:25 WE ARE MAKING EFFORTS TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AS MUCH AS
23:50:31 WE CAN WITHOUT CREATING SOME SORT OF BUNKER SITUATION
23:50:36 WHICH WOULD NOT CREATE A PLACE THAT ANYBODY WOULD WANT TO
23:50:40 GO.
23:50:42 AND WE ARE RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT THE COUNCIL HAS
23:50:45 ADDRESSED TRANSITION REPEATEDLY OVER THE YEARS, OVER AND
23:50:50 OVER AND OVER.
23:50:52 THE EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN SUPPORTED TO TRANSITION THIS TO
23:50:56 COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
23:50:58 SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, GIVEN THE
23:51:06 CURRENT SITUATION AND GIVEN THE FUTURE SITUATION.
23:51:11 THE COMP PLAN HAS THESE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE MET.
23:51:18 WE ARE PROPOSING AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN, SO THAT WE
23:51:22 WILL HAVE THE BEST INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR OUR
23:51:24 RESIDENTS SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN WITH THE CHEMICAL
23:51:28 PLANT, OR WITH A HURRICANE, AND SO WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE
23:51:36 SHOWN THAT WE ARE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE
23:51:38 COMP PLAN.
23:51:40 WE HAVE FULL CONSISTENCY FROM THE CITY STAFF.
23:51:49 AND I THINK I PROBABLY HIT EVERYTHING.
23:51:50 SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
23:51:54 AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE ARE HERE TO
23:51:56 ANSWER.
23:51:56 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
23:51:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
23:52:00 ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
23:52:05 MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
23:52:07 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
23:52:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
23:52:11 AYE.
23:52:12 ANY OPPOSED?
23:52:14 ALL RIGHT.
23:52:14 WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
23:52:17 ITEM NUMBER 7.
23:52:27 COUNCILMAN CARLSON --
23:52:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I SPEAK TO SOMETHING BEFORE THE
23:52:30 MOTION IS MADE?
23:52:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, GO AHEAD.
23:52:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
23:52:33 AND I KNOW IT'S A LATE HOUR BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
23:52:36 I JUST WANT TO READ ONCE AGAIN THE LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5
23:52:46 (C) WHICH IS RAISED BY MR. NOBLE, ATTORNEY NOBLE.
23:52:53 AND SPECIFICALLY IT SAYS AS FOLLOWS: REZONING
23:52:59 APPLICATIONS ON PROPERTY DESIGNATED CM 35 WITHIN THE
23:53:03 RATTLESNAKE POINT WATERFRONT AREA MAY BE APPROVED
23:53:06 PURSUANT TO POLICY 8.11.1 AND PD ZONING CONDITIONS
23:53:10 ADDRESSING, AND THEN C SAYS, WHERE PROPOSED PD REZONINGS
23:53:18 ABUT EXISTING HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS TO
23:53:23 PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, DEMONSTRATION THROUGH DESIGN
23:53:27 AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW USE
23:53:31 SHALL NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FROM SUCH HAZARD.
23:53:39 WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS I WANT TO MAKE HERE.
23:53:44 NUMBER ONE, THIS IS NOT ABOUT OTHER PROPERTIES UP AND
23:53:49 DOWN RATTLESNAKE.
23:53:50 THIS IS ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT SPECIFICALLY ABUTS THAT
23:53:55 HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE.
23:53:58 AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US COULD ARGUE, AFTER WE HEARD
23:54:01 THE TESTIMONY FROM MR. NOBLE, THAT THESE INDUSTRIAL USES
23:54:08 IS SIGNIFICANTLY, POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS AND HAZARDOUS TO
23:54:12 THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
23:54:13 I MEAN, CHLORINE GASES AND OTHER CAUSTICS THAT MR. NOBLE
23:54:20 WAS DESCRIBING TO US SOUND PRETTY DARN SCARY TO ME.
23:54:28 SO, IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE BURDEN THEN SHIFTED TO THE
23:54:31 PETITIONER, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY SATISFIED THE
23:54:38 BURDEN, BECAUSE THE BURDEN, AS I READ IT IN POLICY 8
23:54:41 .11.5 SAYS THAT PETITIONER MUST DEMONSTRATE THROUGH
23:54:46 DESIGN AND ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE
23:54:49 NEW USE SHALL NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FROM SUCH HAZARDS.
23:54:55 NOW, WHAT TESTIMONY DID WE HEAR THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE
23:54:59 MITIGATED THE RISK AS RELATED TO THIS CHLORINE GAS AND
23:55:03 OTHER CHEMICALS THAT ARE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 10, 20, 50
23:55:09 FEET OR WHATEVER?
23:55:12 I DIDN'T HEAR ANY.
23:55:13 I DIDN'T HEAR ANY.
23:55:14 CHEMICAL EXPERTS ON THEIR SIDE, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY.
23:55:19 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOLKS?
23:55:21 I HEARD ABOUT HURRICANES AND THAT SORT OF THING AND I AM
23:55:24 NOT EVEN GOING THERE RIGHT NOW.
23:55:25 BUT WHAT I DID NOT HEAR WAS ANYTHING ADDRESSING THIS
23:55:31 EXTREMELY SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK TO THE
23:55:35 PROPOSED ABUTTING USE.
23:55:39 OKAY.
23:55:39 THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN 2016.
23:55:41 I WASN'T HERE.
23:55:43 I DON'T KNOW.
23:55:45 BUT I DO KNOW WHAT I READ.
23:55:47 AND WAY READ IS THIS LAND USE PROVISION.
23:55:51 AND UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENT,
23:55:53 I'M ALL EARS.
23:55:56 I'M ALL EARS IF SOMEBODY HAS HEARD SOME OTHER TESTIMONY
23:55:59 THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD.
23:56:01 BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THEY GET AROUND THIS.
23:56:04 AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, I KNEW THERE WAS SOME SORT OF
23:56:08 CHEMICAL USES GOING ON OUT THERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THE
23:56:14 EXTENT OF IT UNTIL MR. NOBLE CAME AND TESTIFIED TO IT
23:56:18 TODAY.
23:56:19 UNREBUTTED TESTIMONY, THAT HE PROVIDED TO US TODAY.
23:56:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, COULD YOU READ THAT
23:56:25 AGAIN, SIR?
23:56:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
23:56:28 LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, IT SAYS REZONING APPLICATIONS ON
23:56:33 PROPERTY DESIGNATED CMU-35, LIKE THIS, WITHIN THE
23:56:37 RATTLESNAKE POINT WATERFRONT AREA, WHICH IT IS, MAY BE
23:56:41 APPROVED PURSUANT TO POLICY 8.11.1, AND PD ZONING
23:56:46 CONDITIONS ADDRESSING, AND THEN I JUMP DOWN TO C, WHERE
23:56:50 THE PROPOSED PD REZONING ABUTS THE EXISTING HEAVY
23:56:54 INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE HAZARDOUS TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND
23:56:58 SAFETY, PETITIONER MUST DEMONSTRATE THROUGH DESIGN AND
23:57:02 ACCEPTED PRACTICES THAT THE OCCUPANTS OF THE NEW USE
23:57:05 SHALL NOT BE UNDULY AT RISK FROM SUCH HAZARD.
23:57:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
23:57:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
23:57:16 AND MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT
23:57:21 BY MY FRIEND AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE DENSITY
23:57:26 THAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY,
23:57:31 IN THIS CASE 35 UNITS PER ACRE.
23:57:42 IN THIS CASE THEY SEEM TO EXCEED IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW
23:57:45 THEY EXCEED IT, BUT 35.7 UNITS PER ACRE, WHEN THE
23:57:48 TESTIMONY FROM OUR OWN STAFF INDICATES THAT SEVERAL OTHER
23:57:52 PROJECTS THAT HAVE RECENTLY BEEN APPROVED IN THE COASTAL
23:57:55 HIGH HAZARD AREA ARE REDUCED FROM THAT.
23:57:57 THEY ARE 27 UNITS PER ACRE, 23 UNITS PER ACRE, 20 UNITS
23:58:01 PER ACRE.
23:58:02 SO THAT'S THE OTHER BIG PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT.
23:58:04 NOT ONLY ARE WE BUILDING AND PUTTING A HECK OF A LOT OF
23:58:07 PEOPLE IN A PROJECT THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ABUTTING THIS
23:58:14 VERY, VERY DANGEROUS CHEMICAL PLANT BUT ON TOP OF THAT WE
23:58:18 ARE DOING IT AT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY.
23:58:20 THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE GOOD GOVERNMENT TO ME.
23:58:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN?
23:58:29 THAT'S WHY I ASKED MR. DINGFELDER.
23:58:31 WE SEE THE KEY WORD "ABUTTING."
23:58:35 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY EXPERT TESTIMONY. I DIDN'T HEAR
23:58:38 ANYTHING FROM STAFF OR PLANNING IN REFERENCE TO THAT
23:58:41 SECTION, ABUTTING, AND HOW YOU MITIGATE THAT.
23:58:47 ABUTTING TO ME IS SOMETHING RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
23:58:49 SO HOW DO WE MITIGATE THAT?
23:58:53 I THINK C IS KIND OF CLEAR.
23:58:55 UNLESS WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN TESTIFY TO TELL ME HOW DO
23:59:02 WE MITIGATE THAT, OR GIVE ME A GOOD DEFINITION OF WHAT
23:59:06 ABUTTING MEANS, PERTAIN TOGETHER THIS PROJECT, AND THIS
23:59:13 PLAN, I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS RIGHT NOW, OR
23:59:17 MAYBE ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAYBE GET THIS
23:59:20 INFORMATION.
23:59:22 THAT'S A GREAT CONCERN TO ME.
23:59:25 BUT MY CONCERN WHEN THIS GENTLEMAN COMES TO ME AND TELLS
23:59:31 ME -- AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
23:59:33 IT'S A CHEMICAL PLANT.
23:59:34 AND WE ARE GOING TO BUILD AND PUT PEOPLE ABUTTING A
23:59:38 CHEMICAL PLANT.
23:59:41 THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME.
23:59:44 MAYBE NOT OTHER PEOPLE, BUT TO ME, A PERSON WHO IS A
23:59:46 PUBLIC SAFETY PERSON, THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.
23:59:49 SO I THINK -- AND AGAIN, THIS BOARD CAN DO WHATEVER IT
00:00:59 WISHES, BUT FOR ME I'M LOOKING FOR MORE ANSWERS.
00:00:01 I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET THEM TONIGHT.
00:00:04 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE EXPERTS, THE PETITIONER HAS
00:00:06 RAISED, I DON'T SEE CITY STAFF OR PLANNING COMMISSION
00:00:09 HAVE ANY PERSON TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS, AND FOR ME,
00:00:14 I'M UNCLEAR TO THE PARTICULAR POINT TO MAKE A SOUND BASED
00:00:18 DECISION TO APPROVE SOMETHING WHERE IT DEALS WITH
00:00:21 CHEMICALS ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL.
00:00:25 THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME.
00:00:27 I YIELD, MR. CHAIRMAN.
00:00:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:00:29 ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION?
00:00:30 COUNCILMAN -- NO?
00:00:33 NO?
00:00:34 NO?
00:00:34 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
00:00:35 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST VERY BRIEF.
00:00:37 IT'S NOT A QUESTION.
00:00:38 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF THE CHEMICAL
00:00:42 PLANT ABUTTING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
00:00:47 AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO
00:00:51 REOPEN, BUT, I MEAN, I NEVER HEARD ANY OBJECTION FROM
00:00:55 STAFF ON THAT ISSUE.
00:00:56 I ASK IT AS A QUESTION.
00:00:58 IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN OBJECTION OR
00:01:01 A CONCERN?
00:01:05 IT IS PAST MY BEDTIME.
00:01:10 [ LAUGHTER ]
00:01:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS A QUESTION RAISED THAT -- YOU
00:01:20 CAN REOPEN AND DO THAT.
00:01:22 AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO REFERENCE TO THIS ISSUE THAT
00:01:25 HE MADE REFERENCE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
00:01:27 AGAIN, I CAN'T TESTIFY, BUT IF YOU WISH TO HEAR FROM HIM,
00:01:30 MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING
00:01:33 69 JUST FOR THAT ONE QUESTION.
00:01:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN?
00:01:39 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
00:01:41 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
00:01:42 ALL IN FAVOR?
00:01:44 OPPOSED?
00:01:44 NONE?
00:01:45 IT'S NOW REOPENED.
00:01:46 >>RYAN MANASSE: I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO THE PLANNING
00:01:50 COMMISSION, DANNY COLLINS, IF YOU CAN PULL HIM UP ON
00:01:53 SCREEN SO HE CAN REITERATE THAT.
00:01:58 >>DANNY COLLINS: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
00:02:02 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, DANNY.
00:02:04 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:02:04 I KNOW IT'S MIDNIGHT.
00:02:05 WITH REGARDS TO THIS PROPERTY ABUTTING WITH A CHEMICAL
00:02:10 PLANT, YOU KNOW, DID YOU ALL RAISE ANY SORT OF
00:02:13 OBJECTIONS, MAKE ANY SORT OF FINDINGS ON THAT, I ASK AS A
00:02:17 QUESTION.
00:02:17 >>DANNY COLLINS: I THINK DETERMINED BY COUNCIL IF WHAT
00:02:23 THEY PROVIDED ON THE SITE PLAN MITIGATES FOR THE CHEMICAL
00:02:31 PLANT.
00:02:32 I THINK IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO COUNCIL.
00:02:34 WE FEEL LIKE THE INTENT AND THE POLICY [INDISCERNIBLE]
00:02:46 FOR THE WALL, BUT ALSO HOW TO HANDLE IT.
00:02:50 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY.
00:02:53 THANK YOU, SIR.
00:02:53 YALE MOTION TO CLOSE IF I MAY.
00:02:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM
00:02:56 COUNCILMAN VIERA. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM
00:02:59 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
00:03:00 ALL IN FAVOR?
00:03:01 AYE.
00:03:02 ANY OPPOSED?
00:03:03 THE HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
00:03:06 IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF
00:03:08 COUNCIL?
00:03:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO DENY REZ 20-66
00:03:13 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5301 WEST TYSON AVENUE DUE TO THE
00:03:17 FAILURE OF THE APPLICANT TO MEET ITS BURDEN OF PROOF WITH
00:03:21 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT HAS
00:03:24 A FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE OBSTACLES -- EXCUSE ME, THE
00:03:28 APPLICABLE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE
00:03:31 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
00:03:33 ALTHOUGH THE CMU-35 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY ALLOWS UP TO
00:03:39 1.0 F.A.R., THIS HAS DEVELOPMENT OF 99 DWELLING UNITS,
00:03:45 TRANSLATES TO DENSITY OF 35 .7 UNITS PER ACRE AND
00:03:51 SIGNIFICANTLY HAIR THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH
00:03:55 GANDY AND THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
00:03:57 ALSO, FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
00:04:00 SECTION 27-136, PROPOSED SITE -- EXCUSE ME, PURPOSE OF
00:04:08 SITE PLAN CONTROLLED DISTRICT.
00:04:11 THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT SHOW OR PROMOTE OR
00:04:16 ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO LOCATION,
00:04:20 CHARLOTTE COUNTY AND COMPATIBILITY IN THE SURROUNDING
00:04:22 NEIGHBORHOOD.
00:04:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
00:04:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL SECOND IT WITH A IS FRIENDLY
00:04:28 AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5, THAT I
00:04:32 BELIEVE THEY HAVE NOT -- THE PETITIONER HAD THE BURDEN OF
00:04:37 PROVING THAT THIS PROJECT DOES NOT PUT THE FUTURE
00:04:41 OCCUPANTS AT UNDUE RISK.
00:04:45 I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THAT BURDEN PURSUANT TO THAT POLICY,
00:04:48 AND THEY FAILED TO MEET THAT BURDEN, AS AN ABUTTING
00:04:52 PROPOSED USE, ABUTTING A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
00:04:55 SO THAT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO BE INCLUDED, MR. CITRO.
00:04:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO SECOND
00:05:01 THAT AMENDMENT?
00:05:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
00:05:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
00:05:06 CITRO WITH --
00:05:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE A MOTION?
00:05:09 IF THERE WAS A SECOND ON THE MOTEL AMENDMENT, IF WE CAN
00:05:11 HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT.
00:05:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS ASKING MR. CITRO IF HE WOULD
00:05:16 ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, AND WITH MY SECOND
00:05:20 OF THE MOTION.
00:05:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT HE ASKED FOR A SECOND.
00:05:26 MR. CITRO, WHAT'S YOUR INTENT?
00:05:27 DO YOU WISH TO AMEND YOUR MOTION OR WISH TO HAVE A VOTE
00:05:30 ON THE AMENDMENT?
00:05:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I FEEL THAT MY MOTION STANDS ON ITS OWN.
00:05:34 I WOULD RATHER HAVE A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
00:05:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THERE WAS A SECOND TO THAT, I'M
00:05:39 SORRY, MADAM CLERK?
00:05:40 >> NO, THERE WASN'T.
00:05:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
00:05:43 WE HAVE.
00:05:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
00:05:48 GUDES.
00:05:48 ROLL CALL VOTE.
00:05:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FRIENDLY
00:05:52 AMENDMENT IF HE DOESN'T CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
00:05:54 HE ASKED IF --
00:05:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON MY AMENDMENT.
00:05:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
00:05:59 AND YOUR AMENDMENT WOULD BE AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO RESTATE
00:06:02 IT FOURTH PURPOSE --
00:06:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY AMENDMENT IS TO ADD TO MR. CITRO'S
00:06:06 MOTION LAND USE POLICY 8.11.5 FOR THE REASONS THAT I JUST
00:06:11 DESCRIBED SEVERAL TIMES.
00:06:14 AND I AM LOOKING FOR A SECOND TO MY MOTION TO MAKE HIS
00:06:17 MOTION STRONGER.
00:06:21 >> I BELIEVE IT WAS.
00:06:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
00:06:24 DINGFELDER.
00:06:24 I HEARD A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
00:06:26 ROLL CALL VOTE.
00:06:27 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
00:06:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
00:06:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
00:06:30 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
00:06:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I STILL SAY MY MOTION STANDS ON ITS OWN.
00:06:35 HOWEVER, I WILL ACCEPT THIS AMENDMENT, YES.
00:06:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
00:06:40 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
00:06:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THE MOTION AMENDED YOU HAVE A
00:06:46 MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
00:06:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
00:06:49 CITRO.
00:06:49 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
00:06:51 ROLL CALL VOTE.
00:06:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
00:06:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
00:07:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
00:07:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
00:07:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
00:07:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
00:07:07 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
00:07:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:07:10 IT'S PAST MIDNIGHT.
00:07:11 WE HAVE THREE ITEMS TO GO, IF WE COULD SPEED IT ALONG,
00:07:16 THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
00:07:16 ITEM NUMBER 8.
00:07:20 >>JIM CREW: JIM CREW, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
00:07:22 I WANTED TO STATE THERE ARE NO REMAINING SPEAKERS
00:07:24 REGISTERED FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS.
00:07:29 I FINALLY FIXED MY MICROPHONE PROBLEM SO I WANT TO STATE
00:07:32 THAT FOR THE RECORD.
00:07:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:07:34 THANK YOU, SIR.
00:07:36 GO AHEAD, MR. MANASSE.
00:07:38 ITEM NUMBER 8.
00:07:39 >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE REZ 20-91.
00:07:43 THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 1308 SOUTH HOWARD
00:07:46 AVENUE AND 2116 SOUTHVIEW AVENUE FROM RESIDENTIAL
00:07:50 SINGLE-FAMILY RS-60 AND CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD FOR
00:07:54 BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL OFFSTREET
00:07:57 PARKING.
00:07:58 I'LL DEFER TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THEIR REPORT
00:08:00 AND PLEASE RETURN TO ME.
00:08:01 >> IF YOU CAN SHARE MY SCREEN.
00:08:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
00:08:27 GO AHEAD.
00:08:27 >>DANNY COLLINS: THIS IS DANNY COLLINS OF THE PLANNING
00:08:31 COMMISSION STAFF.
00:08:32 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
00:08:33 THE NEXT CASE IS IN THE CENTRAL PLANNING TAMPA DISTRICT
00:08:36 AND MORE SPECIFICALLY HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
00:08:39 SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN THE HYDE PARK URBAN VILLAGE.
00:08:45 THE CLOSEST TRANSIT STOP WITHIN THREE QUARTERS MILES WEST
00:08:48 OF THE SUBJECT SITE AT THE CORNER OF SWANN AVENUE AND --
00:08:52 BOULEVARD.
00:08:53 SUBJECT SITE IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN AN EVACUATION ZONE.
00:08:57 THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
00:08:59 IT'S SOUTH OF HOWARD AND SOUTHVIEW AVENUE.
00:09:06 HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
00:09:08 YOU WILL SEE THE SUBJECT SITE IN THE PARCELS, 35 CATEGORY
00:09:17 AND RESIDENTIAL 10 DESIGNATION.
00:09:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, AS A POINT OF ORDER AND
00:09:22 I APOLOGIZE.
00:09:24 I WANTED TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL CONFLICTED THAT I DON'T
00:09:27 BELIEVE I HAVE A CONFLICT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
00:09:30 JUST EXPRESS IT.
00:09:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE.
00:09:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY?
00:09:34 WHERE DID HE GO?
00:09:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE'S RIGHT HERE.
00:09:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M RIGHT HERE.
00:09:39 SORRY.
00:09:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
00:09:41 JUST LISTEN UP, IF YOU WOULD.
00:09:43 ANYWAY, THIS PARCEL, THESE TWO PROPERTIES, ABOUT THREE OR
00:09:47 FOUR, MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO, I WAS ACTUALLY THE SELLER'S
00:09:52 REALTOR AND SOLD THIS PROPERTY TO MR. LAXER AND HIS
00:09:57 PARTNER.
00:10:02 AND THAT DEAL IS OVER AND YES, I DID PROFIT FROM THE SALE
00:10:05 OF THAT.
00:10:07 BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT EVER SINCE.
00:10:12 SO I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE IT.
00:10:14 MY SIGN WAS OUT THERE ON THE PROPERTY.
00:10:16 I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY THINKING THAT I STILL HAD ANYTHING
00:10:18 TO DO WITH IT.
00:10:21 I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH MR. LAXER OR ANYBODY ABOUT WHAT
00:10:25 THEIR POTENTIAL DESIRES OR FUTURE USE WAS FOR THIS
00:10:28 PROPERTY.
00:10:29 BUT I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE IT.
00:10:32 MR. SHELBY, DID YOU CATCH MOST OF WHAT I WAS SAYING?
00:10:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALL OF IT AND THANK YOU FOR CATCHING MY
00:10:37 ATTENTION TO HEAR IT.
00:10:39 COUNCILMAN, LET ME JUST ASK YOU, NOW THAT YOU HAVE
00:10:42 DISCLOSED IT, THERE IS, WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR
00:10:47 ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU DO NOT HAVE A FINANCIAL
00:10:51 INVOLVEMENT IN ANY SORT OF WAY.
00:10:53 IS THAT CORRECT?
00:10:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOT AT ALL.
00:10:56 LIKE I SAID, THREE YEARS AGO I MADE SOME MONEY OFF THE
00:10:58 SALE OF THIS PROPERTY AS THE REALTOR.
00:11:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THAT BEING THE CASE, I AM GOING TO
00:11:02 ASK A QUESTION.
00:11:05 WITH REGARD TO COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE MAKING THE
00:11:08 DECISION BASED ON THAT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN BE
00:11:11 FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AS A RESULT OF YOUR INTERACTION IN THE
00:11:14 PAST?
00:11:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TOTALLY.
00:11:17 AND I REALLY HAVE DIRECT INVOLVEMENT WITH MR. LAXER AT
00:11:20 THAT TIME, EVEN THEN I WAS DEALING WITH THE OTHER
00:11:24 REALTOR.
00:11:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WOULD
00:11:29 HAVE NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER REALLY IN TERMS OF CREATING A
00:11:34 CONFLICT?
00:11:35 I DOESN'T SEE A CONFLICT, COUNCIL.
00:11:39 COUNCILMAN, BASED ON WHAT YOU TOLD ME, AS LONG AS IT
00:11:42 DOESN'T RAISE AN ISSUE IN YOUR MIND AS TO WHETHER YOU CAN
00:11:45 BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
00:11:47 SO THANK YOU.
00:11:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I FEEL CAN TOTALLY COMFORTABLE MOVING
00:11:50 FORWARD.
00:11:50 I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE IT.
00:11:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.
00:11:54 I APPRECIATE IT.
00:11:54 THANK YOU.
00:11:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
00:11:59 >>DANNY COLLINS: THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF REVIEWED
00:12:05 THE REQUEST AND FOUND THE PROPOSALS FOR SEVERAL OF THE
00:12:08 POLICIES, IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WITH THE
00:12:11 DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL AREAS AND URBAN VILLAGES.
00:12:16 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FINDS THAT THE EXIT POINT, THE
00:12:23 INTENT OF THE POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IS ALSO
00:12:26 PROVIDING A SAFE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS FROM THE PARKING LOT
00:12:29 TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE VIA SIDEWALK, THE PROPOSED PD
00:12:33 INCLUDES A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND 6-FOOT HIGH WALL ALONG
00:12:37 THE EAST AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, WHICH I'M SURE THAT THE
00:12:43 DEVELOPMENT IS SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL
00:12:46 USES PRESENT ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
00:12:48 BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION FIND
00:12:50 THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA
00:12:52 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
00:12:54 THIS CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
00:12:56 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
00:12:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:12:57 MR. MANASSE.
00:12:59 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
00:13:01 I WILL PUT THE SITE PLAN ON SCREEN AS I DO MY
00:13:04 PRESENTATION.
00:13:05 AGAIN THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT
00:13:07 1308 SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE AND 2116 SOUTHVIEW AVENUE.
00:13:11 REQUESTING REZONING FROM RS 60 AND CG TO PLANNED
00:13:14 DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND
00:13:16 COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING USES.
00:13:18 THERE ARE SIX WAIVERS I OUTLINED ON PAGE ONE OF YOUR
00:13:21 STAFF REPORT THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED THROUGH THIS
00:13:22 PETITION.
00:13:23 AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF
00:13:25 SOUTH HOWARD AND SOUTHVIEW AVENUES AND IT CONTAINS TWO
00:13:28 LOTS.
00:13:28 THE SITE DOES HAVE A UNIQUE SHAPE AND THE PROPOSED
00:13:30 STRUCTURE WILL CONTAIN THREE SIDES WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS
00:13:34 AND CONNECTIVITY PROPOSED ON HOWARD AVENUE WITH
00:13:35 PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ALONG THE NORTH TO THE PARKING
00:13:38 LOCATED ON THE EAST.
00:13:39 THE PROJECT PROPOSES ON THE WEST LOT A TWO-STORY
00:13:45 STRUCTURE CONTAINING 3,021 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST
00:13:48 FLOOR, 3,495 ON THE FIRST FLOOR ORIENTED TOWARDS SOUTH
00:13:53 HOWARD AVENUE AND THE SURFACE PARKING LOT ON THE EAST LOT
00:13:55 WITH A ONE-WAY VEHICULAR ACCESS ON SOUTHVIEW AVENUE.
00:13:58 THE SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH HOWARD COMMERCIAL
00:14:00 OVERLAY DISTRICT AND MUST COMPLY WITH DISTRICT DESIGN
00:14:02 STANDARDS AT TIME OF PERMITTING.
00:14:04 THE SETBACKS FOR THE PD ARE WEST ZERO FEET, EAST 2 FEET,
00:14:08 SOUTH 1 FOOT.
00:14:10 THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IS PROPOSED AT 35 FEET AND
00:14:13 THE REQUIRED PARKING IS 22 SPACES AND THEY ARE PROVIDING
00:14:16 12 SPACES, WHICH IS A 45% REDUCTION.
00:14:20 THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY ZONING DISTRICTS CG TO THE
00:14:22 NORTH AND WEST, AND WITH RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY USES,
00:14:26 AND TO THE SOUTH WITH OFFICE USE AND RS 60 TO THE EAST
00:14:30 WITH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
00:14:32 AND AS I EXPLAINED TO THE OFFICE BUILDING IS RIGHT HERE,
00:14:36 HERE IS THE COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING.
00:14:38 I WILL MAKE NOTE FOR THE RECORD, AND ANSWER ANY POTENTIAL
00:14:41 QUESTIONS, THE GATES THAT ARE TALKED ABOUT AND THEY ARE
00:14:45 SHOWN ON THE PD SITE PLAN, AND ALSO NOTE 13 ON THE SITE
00:14:49 PLAN SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT THE PARKING SHALL ONLY BE
00:14:53 USED FOR THE PARKING OF OPERATIVE VEHICLES USED BY
00:14:57 EMPLOYEES, CUSTOMERS AND CLIENTS OF OFFICE AND COMMERCE
00:15:00 USE, ET CETERA.
00:15:01 LET ME GO AHEAD AND SHOW YOU THE AERIAL.
00:15:06 THE VICINITY, AGAIN, HOWARD AVENUE.
00:15:08 IT'S KIND OF TRIANGULAR SHAPED PROPERTY HERE RIGHT OFF OF
00:15:13 HOWARD AND AN ALLEY IN BETWEEN THAT AND WHERE THE
00:15:16 COMMERCIAL OFF-STREET PARKING IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU.
00:15:20 THERE WERE NO HISTORIC STRUCTURES WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF
00:15:23 THE PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE
00:15:25 STAFF, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FIND IT
00:15:27 INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA LAND DEVELOPMENT
00:15:29 CODE.
00:15:29 IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REFER TO THE FINDINGS BUILT
00:15:31 TRANSACTION DEVELOPMENT -- BY TRANSPORTATION, REVIEW IN
00:15:36 RELATION TO THE REQUIRED PARKING WAIVER AND THE REQUESTED
00:15:38 ACCESS TO A LOCAL STREET.
00:15:40 AND IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS
00:15:42 APPLICATION, THERE ARE MINOR MODIFICATIONS BETWEEN FIRST
00:15:45 AND SECOND READING THAT ARE REQUIRED AS OUTLINED IN THE
00:15:47 REVISION SHEET.
00:15:48 AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE MAKE THAT BART OF YOUR MOTION.
00:15:50 STAFF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
00:15:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
00:15:55 NO?
00:15:57 YES, SIR?
00:15:59 >> TRUETT GARDNER, NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.
00:16:06 [OFF MICROPHONE] [RUSTLING PAPERS]
00:16:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S CHECK YOUR MICROPHONE.
00:16:41 >> SO THE FIRST FLOOR IS APPROXIMATELY 3,000 SQUARE FEET.
00:16:51 IT WILL BE USED FOR PRIVATE STORAGE.
00:16:54 THAT JUSTIFIES THE PARKING WAIVER.
00:16:58 THAT WILL BE USED SOLELY FOR PRIVATE STORAGE, NOT FOR
00:17:01 PUBLIC STORAGE, AS A RESULT THE OFFICE BUILDING, SO THAT
00:17:05 FIRST FLOOR WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC
00:17:08 STORAGE.
00:17:09 THE SECOND FLOOR IS SLIGHTLY LARGER AT 3500 SQUARE FEET.
00:17:12 IT WILL BE USED AS PRIVATE OFFICE BUILDING.
00:17:15 THE PARKING AS RYAN SHARED WILL BE SECURED AND ACCESSED
00:17:19 OFF OF SOUTHVIEW SO AS TO NOT EXACERBATE THE PARKING
00:17:23 SITUATION ALONG HOWARD.
00:17:24 THE ALTERNATIVE WAS THE ACCESS OFF THE ALLEY WHICH WOULD
00:17:27 HAVE OPENED IT UP, AND DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE
00:17:29 NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PREVENTION TREATMENT.
00:17:33 STEVEN SMITH WILL SHOW YOU THIS PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY
00:17:35 UNIQUE AND THAT IT CONSISTS OF TWO PIE SHAPED PARCELS
00:17:39 BIFURCATED BY AN ALLEY AND TO MAKE ALL THE ELEMENTS OF
00:17:43 THIS PROJECT WORK, SIX WAIVERS ARE BEING REQUESTED.
00:17:45 I WANTED TO FOCUS ON TWO.
00:17:47 ONE IS THE PARKING REDUCTION.
00:17:49 AS I STATED, IF YOU JUST TOOK THE 3500 SQUARE FEET OF
00:17:52 OFFICE, WHICH IN ACTUALITY WILL BE THE ONLY OFFICE WE
00:17:55 ACTUALLY COMPLY WITH PARKING, SO THAT HAS ONLY BEEN
00:17:59 INCREASED AS FAR AS WHAT'S REQUIRED, AND THEN DECREASED
00:18:02 AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING, BECAUSE WE ARE CAUSING
00:18:06 THAT FIRST FLOOR TO BE BASICALLY UTILIZED FOR OFFICE WHEN
00:18:12 IN ACTUALITY THE ONLY USE WILL BE FOR THE STORAGE.
00:18:15 THE SECOND IS THE ACCESS OFF OF THE LOCAL STREET.
00:18:18 AS I MENTIONED, THE ALLEY, AND IF I COULD, PUT THAT ON
00:18:23 FOR A SECOND.
00:18:42 THE UNIQUENESS OF THE SITE IS THAT ALLEY THAT RUNS
00:18:45 DIAGONALLY AND GOES DIRECTLY INTO OURS, SO TO FORCE A
00:18:50 VEHICLE TO TURN INTO THAT, TO ACCESS THAT, IS A VERY
00:18:52 UNSAFE CONDITION, WE FELT LIKE, AND ALSO YOU LOST THE
00:18:55 ABILITY TO CONTROL THAT PARKING AREA.
00:18:58 AS A RESULT, THE ALLEY IS SLIGHTLY TO THE EAST.
00:19:01 AS YOU CAN SEE ON SOUTHVIEW AVENUE.
00:19:04 SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS THAT MENTIONED AS INCONSISTENT
00:19:06 IN THE STAFF REPORT.
00:19:08 WHEN STEVEN SMITH GOES THROUGH THE DESIGN YOU WILL SEE
00:19:11 THE OTHER ASPECTS THAT ARE CAUSING THE WAIVERS, AND WE
00:19:13 ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
00:19:15 WE DID APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE ARC ON DECEMBER THE
00:19:19 9th, AND WE FULLY DISCUSSED THE PD, DISCUSSED ALL THE
00:19:23 WAIVERS, AND WE RECEIVED THEIR UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.
00:19:26 WITH THAT I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO STEVEN SMITH.
00:19:29 >> STEVEN SMITH:
00:19:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE WE AWARE OF ANY OPPOSITION?
00:19:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
00:19:41 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE NEXT THREE CASES.
00:19:44 >> I WANT TO RESERVE FOR REBUTTAL.
00:19:46 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
00:20:21 I WILL BE BRIEF AS WELL.
00:20:22 ALL OFF THIS IS VERY UNIQUE, VERY CHALLENGING,
00:20:26 INTERESTING SITE IN TAMPA.
00:20:28 BUT I DO WANT TO START BY SAYING AGAIN THAT WE MET WITH
00:20:32 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WALKED THROUGH THIS PROJECT
00:20:37 WITH THEM, AND THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO WHAT WE ARE
00:20:43 PROVIDING, AND WE HAD FULL SUPPORT OF THE ARC.
00:20:47 WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS THE UNIQUENESS OF
00:20:51 THIS AREA.
00:20:53 YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS DRAWING IS BAYSHORE
00:20:56 BOULEVARD.
00:20:57 SO WE HAVE THE AXIS OF BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.
00:21:01 WE HAVE THE GRID OF HYDE PARK THAT ORIENTS TOWARDS
00:21:07 BAYSHORE.
00:21:09 AND THEN WE HAVE THE GRID OF THE OTHER PORTION OF HYDE
00:21:13 PARK THAT ORIENTS NORTH-SOUTH, EAST AND WEST WITH THE
00:21:18 REST OF THE CITY.
00:21:19 SO OUR SITE HAS THE FORTUNE OF BEING THE PLACE WHERE
00:21:23 THESE TWO WORLDS COLLIDE, LET'S SAY.
00:21:28 AND SO ADDED TO THAT IS THE DIAGONAL ALLEY THAT RUNS
00:21:32 THROUGH IT.
00:21:33 WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WITH THIS DIAGRAM IS ALONG
00:21:37 HOWARD AVENUE, HERE, IF WE DID NOTE HAVE THIS GEOMETRY OF
00:21:42 THE BAYSHORE GRID, WE WOULD HAVE A VERY NEAT AND TIDY
00:21:47 COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT RUNS ALONG EACH SIDE OF HOWARD.
00:21:51 AND IT'S OUTLINED WITHIN THIS RED DASHED LINE THAT RUNS
00:21:55 ALONG THE ALLEY THAT'S BEHIND BERNS RESTAURANT AND
00:21:59 COMMENTS ALONG THE ALLEY THAT IS THE PRESENT HOTEL SITE,
00:22:06 THAT PRESERVE IT IS TWO HISTORIC APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT
00:22:10 WILL BECOME PART OF THE HOTEL, AND RUNS BEHIND OUR SITES,
00:22:15 OUR THREE SITES, AND CONTINUES ON DOWN.
00:22:18 AGAIN, THESE BLOCKS ON MARJORIE AND SOUTHVIEW ARE WHAT
00:22:26 WOULD BE E-REPEATED ON THIS HAD WE NOT HAD THIS UNIQUE
00:22:30 GEOMETRY.
00:22:36 CHANGING SCALE AND LOOKING AT SOUTHVIEW, HERE IS THE
00:22:40 PROPOSED HOTEL SITE.
00:22:42 AND THEN SHOWING THAT CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEY, HAD WE
00:22:46 NOT HAD THIS UNIQUE GEOMETRY.
00:22:48 I'M SHOWING THIS ONLY TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING WITHIN THIS
00:22:51 RED LINE TYPICALLY IS COMMERCIAL USE ALONG HOWARD AVENUE.
00:22:58 BUT BECAUSE OF OUR GEOMETRY, WE HAVE SOME OF THE RS 60
00:23:03 SITES PROJECTING INTO THAT AND COMING TO THE INTERSECTION
00:23:06 OF SOUTHVIEW AND HOWARD AVENUE, WHICH IS A VERY
00:23:10 UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, AND OVER
00:23:13 TIME, THE RESIDENTS THAT WAS LOCATED ON THIS SITE BECAME
00:23:20 A COMMERCIAL USE.
00:23:21 I BELIEVE IT WAS A SOUND STUDIO FOR A WHILE.
00:23:29 JUMPING AHEAD, SHOWING LARGER SCALE, A LITTLE BIT EASIER
00:23:35 TO SEE, TRUETT WENT OVER THIS VERY WELL.
00:23:40 WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IS A TRIANGULAR FLAT IRON STYLE
00:23:47 BUILDING THAT YOU SEE IN OTHER AREAS OF TAMPA, OTHER
00:23:50 CITIES, FAMOUS ONE IN NEW YORK CITY, TAKING MORE OR LESS
00:23:56 THE ENTIRE SITE THAT WE HAVE FACING HOWARD AVENUE, AND
00:24:00 THEN A VERY NARROW PARKING STRIP OCCUPYING ONE OF THE
00:24:05 FORMERLY -- ONE OF THE PRESENT RESIDENTIAL STATES.
00:24:10 IT'S A DIAGONAL SINGLE-LOADED ONE-WAY SYSTEM, ONLY 40
00:24:18 FEET WIDE, SO FOR REFERENCE, STANDARD PARKING LOT OF 60
00:24:25 FEET WIDE.
00:24:26 SO WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF ASPHALT AND WE ARE PROPOSING
00:24:29 AGAIN TO DO THIS AS A PARKING -- A LANDSCAPE PARKING
00:24:33 COURT WHERE THE PARKING WOULD NOT BE SEEN FROM THE PUBLIC
00:24:37 SIDEWALK.
00:24:40 ALSO PART OF THIS PROJECT IS TAKING THE REMAINING RS-60
00:24:45 LOT AND GIVING BACK 10 FEET OF THIS PRESENTLY RS 60 LOT
00:24:51 TO IT SO WE MAKE A LARGER LOT AND INCREASE THE BUFFER
00:24:54 BETWEEN THIS PASSIVE PARKING AREA AND THAT SITE.
00:25:00 THE PROJECT IS SET BACK FROM HOWARD AVENUE 15 FEET IN THE
00:25:05 PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
00:25:06 WE PLAN TO DO STREET TREES ALONG THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
00:25:09 AND THEN PROVIDE AN ARCADE ALONG OUR BUILDING ALL IN
00:25:15 ACCORDANCE WITH THE HOWARD AVENUE OVERLAY DISTRICT.
00:25:27 LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLANS OF THE BUILDING.
00:25:29 FROM THE PARKING, YOU WALK ACROSS AND INTO THE ENTRY AND
00:25:33 ON UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
00:25:34 AND THEN SHOWING THAT STORAGE THAT TRUETT ALLUDED TO.
00:25:39 AND AGAIN FOR MR. LAXER'S PURPOSES, HIS HOSPITALITY
00:25:50 COMPANY, THERE ARE EVENTS, AND CROPS AND VARIOUS THINGS
00:25:53 HE STORES FOR THEIR DIFFERENT FESTIVALS AND EVENTS.
00:25:56 THAT'S WHAT WILL GO ON IN THERE.
00:25:59 SECOND FLOOR IS REALLY THEIR MANAGEMENT OFFICES, AND
00:26:04 THERE'S NINE EMPLOYEES, AND 12 PARKING SPACES.
00:26:09 IT'S NOT THE SORT OF BUSINESS THAT HAS VISITORS, SO WE
00:26:13 FEEL LIKE THE ADDITIONAL HANDFUL OF SPACES IS MORE THAN
00:26:17 ADEQUATE FOR THIS VERY UNIQUE AND SPECIAL USE.
00:26:25 ALMOST FINISHED.
00:26:34 EXTERIOR BUILDING ELEVATIONS SHOWING THE ELEVATION ALONG
00:26:39 SOUTH HOWARD.
00:26:41 AGAIN, REALLY USING THE GUIDELINES OF THE OVERLAY
00:26:44 DISTRICT.
00:26:48 IT WILL LOOK LIKE A RETAIL OR OFFICE BUILDING ALONG
00:26:55 HOWARD AVENUE.
00:26:57 EVEN THE STORAGE AREA WILL BE FENESTRATED WITH STANDARD
00:27:01 WINDOWS, AND IT WILL LOOK IN AND WORK LIKE IT IS FULLY
00:27:09 OCCUPIED BUILDING.
00:27:11 THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS 29 FEET.
00:27:18 AN IMAGE OF WHAT THIS BUILDING IS LIKE, WOULD LOOK LIKE
00:27:25 WITH ITS ENTRANCE OFF OF THE SIDEWALK AND IN THE PARKING
00:27:29 OVER HERE.
00:27:29 SO WE FEEL LIKE IT ALSO WILL BE A NICE COMMERCIAL LINER
00:27:34 BUILDING TO INSULATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEYOND.
00:27:42 ANOTHER VIEW.
00:27:43 WE DO HAVE'-WE ARE PROPOSING A GATED PARKING AREA, JUST
00:27:50 BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE AN EIGHT TO FIVE USE.
00:27:53 WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE USED BY SURROUNDING RESTAURANTS OR
00:27:56 OTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY TO KEEP IT QUIET FOR RESIDENTS.
00:27:59 AND WE ANTICIPATE A RESIDENTIAL SCALED GATE FEATURE.
00:28:05 THE LAST POINT, IN THE REVIEW BY ARC, THEY HAD A
00:28:12 RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANT TO DEFINITELY INCORPORATE
00:28:16 INTO THE PROJECT.
00:28:22 THEY MENTION THAT AT THE INTERSECTION, THERE'S A GREAT
00:28:26 LOCATION FOR A POCKET PARK, AND WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE
00:28:30 A GREAT ADDITION TO WHAT MR. LAXER HAS DONE DOWN AT LAXER
00:28:35 PARK.
00:28:36 SO THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT.
00:28:40 SO WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD TAKE OUR
00:28:43 FENCING, BRING IT IN, INSTEAD OF ALL THE WAY INTO THE
00:28:47 PROPERTY LINES, THERE'S EXISTING BEAUTIFUL PINE TREES,
00:28:51 PALMETTOS, ALMOST LIKE A PIECE OF FLORIDA NATURE, AND WE
00:28:55 WOULD DO A PATH AND A BENCH SET-UP THERE.
00:28:57 SO A POCKET PARK FOR PEDESTRIANS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
00:29:01 THANK YOU.
00:29:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:29:04 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
00:29:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
00:29:09 TRUETT, WHEN YOU CUT OFF THE SOUTHVIEW LOT, THE SECOND
00:29:16 ONE IN, YOU ARE CREATING A NONCONFORMING USE THERE?
00:29:22 >>TRUETT GARDNER: NO, WE ACTUALLY DID A CONFORM LOT
00:29:25 REVIEW TO FREE THAT UP, AND WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING
00:29:31 FIELD AND THE BUILDING, THAT WILL ALL BE ONE PD.
00:29:34 SO WHAT MR. LAXER IS DOING IS BASICALLY GIVING AN
00:29:37 ADDITIONAL 10 FEET TO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
00:29:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
00:29:40 BUT I MEAN THE DONOR LOT WITH THE HOUSE USED TO BE, I
00:29:45 DON'T KNOW FITS STILL THERE OR NOT, THAT DOESN'T BECOME
00:29:48 NONCONFORMING BECAUSE IT'S RS-60?
00:29:52 >>TRUETT GARDNER: NO.
00:29:53 BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING THAT TO PD BECAUSE SEW BASICALLY
00:29:55 IT WILL BE ALL WITHIN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE SITE PLAN.
00:29:58 >>RYAN MANASSE: JUST TO FURTHER UP ON THAT, THERE IS A
00:30:01 FORMAL DECISION THAT'S APPLIED FOR, FOR THE OFFICIAL LOT
00:30:04 SPLIT THAT WOULD BE CONDITIONED BASED OFF OF YOUR COUNCIL
00:30:08 MOTION TONIGHT IF APPROVED.
00:30:10 THEN THAT FORMAL DECISION CAN BE APPROVED IN BETWEEN
00:30:12 FIRST AND SECOND READING FOR THAT OFFICIAL LOT SPLIT SO
00:30:15 IT'S NOT CREATING A LOT SPLIT OR ANYTHING.
00:30:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BECAUSE THE OTHER LOT IS NOT PART OF
00:30:23 THIS PD, RIGHT?
00:30:25 >>RYAN MANASSE: CORRECT.
00:30:26 CORRECT.
00:30:27 AND IT ACTUALLY WILL GROW IN SIZE BY 10 FEET.
00:30:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
00:30:33 >> AND RYAN, YOU MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IN YOUR STAFF
00:30:39 REPORT BUT I NOTICE IT'S IN THERE, THE POCKET PARK THAT
00:30:43 STEVEN MENTIONED WAS IN THE ARC RECOMMENDATION OF
00:30:45 APPROVAL SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO THAT.
00:30:46 YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN IN BETWEEN FIRST AND
00:30:49 SECOND READING.
00:30:49 I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
00:30:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
00:30:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
00:30:55 THE ELEVATION PLAN THAT YOU HAVE UPDATED, BUILDING PLAN,
00:30:58 CAN YOU PUT IT BACK ON THE ELMO, PLEASE?
00:31:06 BINGO.
00:31:07 THE GARAGE DOOR THERE, THAT'S LOADING AND UNLOADING IN
00:31:10 THE REAR OF THE BUILDING?
00:31:11 >> YES.
00:31:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S THROUGH THE ALLEYWAY?
00:31:15 >> YES.
00:31:16 THAT'S ABUTTING THE ALLEY.
00:31:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO ANY VEHICLE IS GOING TO HAVE TO STOP
00:31:22 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY?
00:31:23 >> POTENTIALLY, YES, BUT I THINK IF THAT BECAME A PROBLEM
00:31:29 THAT THEY WOULD BE IN THE PARKING LOT AND CARRY THOSE
00:31:31 THINGS ACROSS THE ALLEY.
00:31:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
00:31:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
00:31:36 IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
00:31:38 THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 8?
00:31:41 WE HAVE NOBODY REGISTERED ONLINE.
00:31:43 WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THAT.
00:31:44 THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
00:31:46 DO YOU NEED REBUTTAL?
00:31:47 ARE YOU GOOD?
00:31:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
00:31:50 >> MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
00:31:52 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
00:31:54 ALL IN FAVOR?
00:31:56 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 8?
00:31:59 >>BILL CARLSON: SURE.
00:32:01 THANK YOU, SIR.
00:32:02 LIKE TO MOVE FILE REZ 20-91, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
00:32:08 FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
00:32:11 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1308 SOUTH HOWARD
00:32:13 AVENUE AND 2116 WEST SOUTHVIEW AVENUE IN THE CITY OF
00:32:18 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION
00:32:20 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-60 RESIDENTIAL,
00:32:23 SINGLE-FAMILY, AND CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL, TO PD, PLANNED
00:32:26 DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL
00:32:29 OFF-STREET PARKING, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND WITH
00:32:34 REVISIONS SHEET AND ANY CHANGES SHOWN IN THE SECOND
00:32:39 READING.
00:32:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.
00:32:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
00:32:43 DINGFELDER.
00:32:43 ROLL CALL VOTE.
00:32:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
00:32:46 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
00:32:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
00:32:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
00:32:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
00:32:52 >> YES.
00:32:54 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
00:32:57 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY
00:32:59 18th AT 9:30 A.M.
00:33:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:33:06 GOOD MORNING.
00:33:06 NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 9.
00:33:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 9 IS FILE REZ 20-93.
00:33:14 THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE
00:33:18 PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT 10801 CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD
00:33:22 FROM PD-A TO PD FOR ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
00:33:27 I WILL DEFER TO THE PLANNING AND IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE
00:33:31 RETURN TO ME.
00:33:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLANNING COMMISSION?
00:33:34 >>DANNY COLLINS: SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
00:34:02 SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
00:34:04 >> WE DON'T SEE IT ON OUR END.
00:34:31 >>JIM CREW: CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
00:34:33 IF ONE OF THE STAFF CAN ASSIST, DANNY'S NAME HAS
00:34:38 DISAPPEARED FROM THE SHARING LIST ON MY CONTROL PANEL.
00:34:41 >>DANNY COLLINS: THERE WE GO.
00:35:16 THIS IS DANNY COLLINS WITH YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
00:35:19 STAFF.
00:35:19 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
00:35:21 THE NEXT CASE IS IN NEW TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT, THE
00:35:25 SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE HERITAGE ISLES
00:35:28 NEIGHBORHOOD.
00:35:29 THE CLOSEST PUBLIC RECREATION FACILITY IS POCKET PARK,
00:35:35 NOT WITHIN TRANSIT AND THE SITE IS NOT WITHIN AN
00:35:38 EVACUATION ZONE.
00:35:39 HERE IS THE SUBJECT SITE OUTLINED IN PURPLE COLOR.
00:35:43 YOU WILL SEE IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CROSS CREEK
00:35:44 BOULEVARD.
00:35:47 HERE IS THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP, OUTLINED IN
00:35:51 PURPLE COLOR.
00:35:52 SUBJECT SITE CURRENTLY SMU 3 FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
00:35:57 YOU WILL SEE PORTIONS OF THE SITE ARE WITHIN THE PSA.
00:36:04 WHILE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FIND THE REQUEST PROPOSED
00:36:07 USE OF THE SITE THE SUR COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING
00:36:12 DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL
00:36:14 MIXED USE CORRIDOR POLICIES.
00:36:18 BY DEFINITION, UNDERSTOOD THE SUBURBAN MIXED USE 3
00:36:22 DESIGNATION ARE CONSIDERED TO BE IN THE MIXED USE
00:36:24 CORRIDOR AND THEREFORE THE DEVELOPMENT ADDRESSES THE
00:36:27 MIXED USE POLICIES, RESIDENTIAL USES ALONG THE CORRIDORS
00:36:31 ARE TO BE ORIENTED TOWARD THE STREET AND STOOPS FRONTING
00:36:34 THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO CROSS
00:36:38 CREEK BOULEVARD SPECIFICALLY BUILDINGS ONE, TWO AND THREE
00:36:41 AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, DO NOT FACE CROCK CREEK
00:36:45 BOULEVARD, INSTEAD FACE INTERNALLY TO THE REAR OF THESE
00:36:49 BUILDINGS, IS INCONSISTENT WITH THIS POLICY DIRECTION.
00:36:54 LAND USE POLICY 6.1.5 AND 6.1.96 BY PLACING BUILDINGS
00:37:01 CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK, AND CREATING PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS
00:37:04 BETWEEN USES OF CORRIDOR.
00:37:08 BUILDINGS ONE, TWO AND THREE DO NOT PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL
00:37:11 ACCESS FROM THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS TO CROSS CREEK
00:37:13 BOULEVARD OR ATTEMPT THE PUBLIC REALM.
00:37:19 LAND USE GOAL 6 SEEKS TO, FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTS, PLACES
00:37:26 FOR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
00:37:28 IT'S UNCLEAR HOW THE PROPOSAL ENFORCES THIS GOAL AND THE
00:37:31 RELATED POLICIES ENVISIONED OF MIXED USE CORRIDORS AS
00:37:35 DESCRIBED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
00:37:37 BASED ON THESE CONSIDERATIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION
00:37:39 FIND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA
00:37:41 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
00:37:43 THAT CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
00:37:45 I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
00:37:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
00:37:48 MR. MANASSE.
00:37:49 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
00:37:57 AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER 9 IS FILE REZ 20-93.
00:38:01 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY LOCATED
00:38:03 AT 10801 CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD FROM PD-A PLANNED
00:38:08 DEVELOPMENT ALTERNATIVE FILE ZO 8-69 TO PD TO ALLOW FOR
00:38:13 THE DEVELOPMENT OF 60 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED
00:38:18 UNITS.
00:38:19 ALTHOUGH THE SITE IS LOCATED IN NEW TAMPA COMMERCIAL
00:38:21 OVERLAY DISTRICT, DESIGN STANDARD ARE NOT APPLICABLE FOR
00:38:24 THE PROPOSED USE.
00:38:26 AGAIN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSES BUILDINGS CONSTRUCTED
00:38:30 WITH ENTRANCES FACING INTERNAL TO THE SITE WHICH IS ONE
00:38:32 OF THE WAIVERS, AND THE PROJECT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT A
00:38:36 TOTAL OF NINE BUILDINGS.
00:38:40 PAGE TWO OF YOUR STAFF REPORT SHOWS THE BUILDING NUMBERS
00:38:42 AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER THE SITE PLAN.
00:38:45 THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
00:38:46 THE PROJECT PROPOSES VEHICULAR ACCESS OFF CROSS CREEK
00:38:49 BOULEVARD, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ARE PROVIDED, A
00:38:55 COMMUNITY RECREATIONAL AREA AND RECREATIONAL PATH WILL BE
00:38:58 LOCATED ON THE EAST AND THE SUBJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY
00:39:00 DETACHED RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH, NORTHWEST AND
00:39:03 NORTHEAST, AND THE ENTRANCE TO HERITAGE ISLES AND THE
00:39:07 GOLF COURSE TO THE NORTH.
00:39:09 THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ALL PART OF THAT
00:39:11 OVERALL PD-A APPROVAL, AND THE PROPOSED USE REQUIRES 135
00:39:17 PARKING SPACES AND 171 PARKING SPACES ARE BEING PROVIDED.
00:39:21 THERE ARE NO HISTORIC LANDMARKS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF
00:39:23 THE PROPERTY.
00:39:25 ON SCREEN YOU WILL SEE THE AERIAL MAP, AND THE OUTLINED
00:39:29 PARCEL IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
00:39:33 WITH THAT BEING SAID THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
00:39:35 COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PETITION AND FIND THE
00:39:37 REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA
00:39:40 LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
00:39:41 PLEASE REFERENCE THE FINDINGS BY TRANSPORTATION DIVISION
00:39:43 REGARDING THE REDUCTION IN DRIVE AISLE WIDTH.
00:39:46 SHOULD IT THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE
00:39:48 WAIVERS AS IDENTIFIED IN THIS REPORT, THERE ARE MINOR
00:39:53 MODIFICATIONS REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING
00:39:55 AS OUTLINED ON THE REVISION PLAN AND IF YOU WOULD MAKE
00:39:57 THAT MOTION, PLEASE INCLUDE THAT REVISION SHEET.
00:40:00 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
00:40:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
00:40:03 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. SHELBY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR
00:40:08 CONFLICT.
00:40:09 I REPRESENT THIS DISTRICT.
00:40:10 IS THAT A CONFLICT?
00:40:11 THAT'S A JOKE.
00:40:12 I'M SORRY.
00:40:12 [ LAUGHTER ]
00:40:22 >> ALL RIGHT.
00:40:22 GO AHEAD.
00:40:23 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
00:40:24 GO AHEAD FOR THE RECORD, APPLICANT.
00:40:25 >> GOOD MORNING.
00:40:29 ISABEL WITH HAPPEN ASSOCIATES WITH THIS REZONING.
00:40:33 I AM GOING TO MOVE TO THE ELMO A LITTLE BIT.
00:40:36 THANK YOU.
00:40:36 >> COUNCILMAN VIERA, IF IT WASN'T SO LATE, THAT WOULDN'T
00:40:44 HAVE BEEN SO FUNNY.
00:40:46 >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW.
00:40:47 I THOUGHT IT WAS HUMOROUS.
00:41:13 >> OKAY.
00:41:14 THANK YOU.
00:41:14 SORRY ABOUT THAT.
00:41:15 SO HERE IS THE SITE.
00:41:16 THE SITE IS LOCATED ON CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD.
00:41:20 AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SOME
00:41:22 COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
00:41:24 TO THE WEST WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL POCKET OVER HERE.
00:41:27 AND THEN FURTHER TO THE WEST WE HAVE SOME MULTIFAMILY
00:41:30 DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN SOME SINGLE-FAMILY HERE AND
00:41:33 SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE NORTH, AND THEN FURTHER TO THE EAST
00:41:36 THERE'S ADDITIONAL TOWNHOMES AND COMMERCIAL.
00:41:39 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS FOR 60 TOWNHOMES.
00:41:47 AND WE ARE REQUESTING SOME WAIVERS WHICH I WANT TO GO
00:41:50 THROUGH WITH YOU, PLEASE.
00:42:01 SOME OF THE WAIVERS ARE FOR BUILDING SEPARATIONS ON THE
00:42:05 SITE AND ON THE -- SIDE AND ON THE REAR AS YOU SEE THAN
00:42:09 OH OUR SITE PLAN.
00:42:10 OUR SITE PLAN IS LOOKS LIKE RECTANGULAR.
00:42:14 THERE'S A LARGE WETLAND AREA OVER HERE, AND OVER HERE.
00:42:18 AND TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE A PRESERVATION CORRIDOR THAT
00:42:21 RUNS ALL ALONG 40 FEET WIDE.
00:42:24 AND SO IT KIND OF CONSTRAINS OUR SITE KIND OF BEING
00:42:28 SQUEEZED INSIDE.
00:42:29 AND WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND,
00:42:32 WHICH WE ARE PROVIDING OVER HERE, AND SO OVER HERE WE
00:42:36 NEEDED 11 FEET, AND WE CAN ONLY PROVIDE 10 FEET.
00:42:40 I HAVE TRIED AND SQUEEZED, TRIDE TO GET THAT EXTRA ONE
00:42:44 FOOT, AND WE COULD NOT -- WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND THAT.
00:42:48 AND THE OTHER WAIVER WAS OVER HERE WITH THE BUILDING SET
00:42:52 BANKS, AGAIN WE NEEDED 25 FEET.
00:42:55 WE ARE PROVIDING 20 FEET.
00:42:57 AND SAME SCENARIO WITHIN THE WETLAND TO THE SOUTH AND THE
00:43:00 RIGHT-OF-WAY TO THE NORTH, KIND OF SQUEEZED OUR SITE TO
00:43:06 THOSE DIMENSIONS.
00:43:09 AT THE OTHER POINT WAS TO HAVE THE ENTRANCE FACE
00:43:16 INTERNALLY.
00:43:17 THIS IS A 60 UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
00:43:19 IT IS BEING ACCESSED INTERNALLY.
00:43:22 AND THE INTENT IS WE ARE FACING INSIDE OUR DEVELOPMENT,
00:43:27 AND SO WE WERE ASKING WAIVERS TO THAT.
00:43:31 AND I'LL COME BACK TO WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION
00:43:35 REFERENCE TO.
00:43:36 AND THEN THE OTHER, WHERE TRANSPORTATION STAFF FOUND THIS
00:43:40 INCONSISTENT WAS DUE TO THE ROAD WIDTH FOR THE PARKING
00:43:45 AREA.
00:43:46 THIS IS A PRIVATE GATED ROAD.
00:43:51 IT'S PLANNED TO HAVE 20 FEET.
00:43:53 HOWEVER, OVER HERE, SORRY, OVER HERE, WE HAVE THESE
00:43:58 PARKING AREAS, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT FOR BACKING OUT OR
00:44:02 COMING IN, YOU NEED TO HAVE 24 FEET.
00:44:05 WE RECEIVED COMMENTS.
00:44:07 WE AUTOMATICALLY REACHED OUT TO JONATHAN, AND THEN WE
00:44:10 TALKED HIM THROUGH IT, AND WHAT WE WANTED TO PROPOSE, AND
00:44:17 WE SHOWED THEM, SHOWED HIM WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO.
00:44:21 AND THEN HE AGREED WITH US, LIKE OKAY, I SEE, IT IS
00:44:24 POSSIBLE TO MANEUVER SAFELY, AND I SEE WHAT YOU ARE
00:44:28 DOING, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
00:44:33 SO THAT KIND OF REALLY TOOK CARE OF THE INCONSISTENCY FOR
00:44:37 THE TRANSPORTATION.
00:44:40 AND THE REST HAD TO DO WITH THE TREES, THE 50% OF
00:44:46 RETAINED TREES.
00:44:47 WE ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT 55%.
00:44:51 IN DISCUSSION WITH BILL BORS FROM NATURAL RESOURCES, WHEN
00:44:56 YOU COME THROUGH, IF YOU LOSE A TREE, YOU MIGHT BE JUST
00:44:59 BELOW THAT.
00:45:00 SO INSTEAD OF COMING THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN, JUST TO
00:45:03 BE SAFE TO ASK FOR IT AT THIS POINT.
00:45:05 AND SO THIS IS PART OF THE WAIVERS REQUEST.
00:45:10 SO THIS BRINGS ME TO PLANNING COMMISSION'S COMMENTS.
00:45:16 THEY FOUND IT INCONSISTENT BASED ON NOT MEETING THE
00:45:20 POLICY OF THE MIXED USE REQUIREMENT OF A PUBLIC REALM AND
00:45:27 HAVING ACCESS FROM OUR SITE TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
00:45:31 IN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE EXPLAINING
00:45:36 HOW OUR DEVELOPMENT WAS BEING LAID OUT, AND THEY POINTED
00:45:42 US TO A DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST, WHICH IS IN THEIR STAFF
00:45:45 REPORT AND THEY REFERENCED TO THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST
00:45:47 AND SAY, WELL, IN SCENARIOS SIMILAR TO YOURS, YOU KNOW,
00:45:51 WE HAD AT THAT POINT THEY HAD -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN
00:45:56 SEE IT BUT IF YOU HAD A FENCE, THEY WOULD PROVIDE THESE
00:46:00 LITTLE GATES.
00:46:01 SO IT SAYS THE WHITE GATES PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL ACCESS TO
00:46:05 CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD WHICH IMPROVES THE PEDESTRIAN
00:46:08 EXPERIENCE AND BUILDING.
00:46:12 I THOUGHT THAT'S SIMPLE.
00:46:13 ABSOLUTELY, THAT SOUND GREAT.
00:46:15 BUT AT THE SAME TIME MY LANDSCAPING ARCHITECT HAS
00:46:18 DISCUSSIONS WITH NATURAL RESOURCES AND STATES, YOU KNOW,
00:46:20 YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, ALL
00:46:23 THOUSAND DON'T HAVE TO MEET BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT
00:46:24 COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
00:46:27 DO YOU MIND LAG AROUND AND SEEING WHAT THEY HAVE AND TRY
00:46:31 TO COMPLY WITH THAT?
00:46:33 AND SO HE GOES OFF AND DOES HIS WORK, AND COMES BACK AND
00:46:40 HAS A REALLY NICE PLAN WHERE WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS
00:46:46 THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A BERM, ALONG HERE, ABOUT 18
00:46:50 INCHES BERM, SOME LANDSCAPING ON TOP OF THAT, LIKE
00:46:54 SHRUBS, AND THEN DISBURSE TREES.
00:46:57 SOUND LIKE THAT'S FANTASTIC.
00:46:59 THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN JUST A FENCE.
00:47:01 NOW THIS REALLY DOES ENGAGE A PUBLIC REALM, OUR TOWNHOMES
00:47:05 ARE SET BACK A LITTLE FURTHER BACK, AND THIS IS ALL THE
00:47:09 GREEN SPACE AND THEY HAVE FULLY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TO THE
00:47:15 SIDEWALK.
00:47:16 AND EVEN PROPOSED FURTHERMORE, SAID, HEY, IN DISCUSSIONS
00:47:22 WITH PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT
00:47:25 ACCESSING IN FRONT OF THEM.
00:47:28 WE DON'T WANT TO PROPOSE A FENCE, AND SO I SAID IN THOSE
00:47:32 BERMS CAN YOU JUST DO THESE LITTLE CUTS TO MEET THE
00:47:34 INTENT OF WHAT THAT POLICY IS?
00:47:38 AND LOOKING AT IT, YES, WE CAN DO THAT.
00:47:45 SO THAT'S FANTASTIC.
00:47:46 PERFECT.
00:47:47 UNFORTUNATELY, PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT AGREE.
00:47:58 THEY ARE AFFIRM THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY REFER TO.
00:48:04 AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY.
00:48:05 BUT THEN LOOKING AT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, I POINTED
00:48:08 EARLIER ON MY AERIAL, THIS DEVELOPMENT AROUND HERE -- AND
00:48:12 I AM JUST GOING TO POINT TO AROUND HERE AND HERE, WHICH
00:48:16 ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR TO US, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A FENCE.
00:48:20 WHAT THEY HAVE IS ALSO VEGETATION.
00:48:22 YOU WILL SEE THIS VEGETATION HERE.
00:48:24 THEY HAVE THESE POSTS, I GUESS, TO SHOW WHERE THEIR
00:48:27 PROPERTY LINE IS BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PUBLIC REALM IS
00:48:30 MUCH MORE ENJOYABLE THERE AS A PEDESTRIAN.
00:48:33 THAT'S PART OF THE MIXED USE POLICY IS TO HAVE AN
00:48:36 ENJOYABLE WALKABILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS.
00:48:38 AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, OR ACTUALLY FURTHER TO THE EAST,
00:48:44 THIS ONE DOES HAVE A GATE, BUT IT'S A WROUGHT IRON GATE
00:48:48 THAT YOU CAN STILL SEE THROUGH.
00:48:49 THERE'S LOTS OF VEGETATION.
00:48:50 SO WE FELT THIS WAS MORE APPROPRIATE, AND SITE PLAN WITH
00:49:00 TAMPA POLICY AND WE FEEL THIS ALSO MEETS THE POLICY OF
00:49:02 WHAT WE WANT TO PROPOSE.
00:49:04 THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE NOT OBJECTING IF YOU DECIDE THAT
00:49:07 WE SHOULD HAVE THE FENCE WITH THE GATES, WE WILL GLADLY
00:49:09 DO THAT.
00:49:10 BUT WE FEEL THAT THIS IS MUCH NICER DESIGN AND MORE
00:49:14 ENJOYABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
00:49:17 I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
00:49:19 AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
00:49:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
00:49:23 APPLICANT?
00:49:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA, YES, SIR.
00:49:25 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST REALLY FAST.
00:49:27 I KNOW IT'S LATE.
00:49:28 WITH REGARD TO THE FENCE AND THE GATES, SO WHAT'S THE
00:49:32 PRESENT SET-UP, MA'AM, THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW?
00:49:36 >> THE SET-UP IS BASICALLY NO FENCE.
00:49:38 IT'S JUST A BERM, SHRUBS AND TREES.
00:49:42 SO YOU HAVE GOT THIS BERM, SHRUBS AND THESE TREES ALL
00:49:46 HERE.
00:49:47 VERY SIMILAR TO -- I KNOW ONE NEIGHBOR DID IT.
00:49:55 YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE A BERM.
00:49:58 I THINK THESE THINGS NEED WATER.
00:50:03 BE LIKE SHRUBS THERE.
00:50:06 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO CORY LAKE ISLES,
00:50:09 CORRECT?
00:50:09 >> WELL, THERE'S CORY LAKE ISLES IS RIGHT HERE.
00:50:12 SO WE ARE ACTUALLY NORTH OF THEM.
00:50:14 THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE HERE.
00:50:15 WE HAVE A 40-FOOT PRESERVATION EASEMENT BETWEEN US.
00:50:20 >>LUIS VIERA: SO IS CORY LAKE THE NEAREST COMMUNITY IF I
00:50:25 AM READING THAT RIGHT?
00:50:26 I WOULD THINK SO.
00:50:27 >> NO.
00:50:28 WELL, THERE IS A PARK TO THE WEST.
00:50:32 I'M SORRY, TO THE EAST THERE'S A PARK.
00:50:34 >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN, WITHOUT HOLDING MY VOTE ON THIS, I
00:50:41 THINK IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO HAVE A FENCE JUST FOR
00:50:44 SAFETY SAKE AND LOOKS AND WHATNOT.
00:50:46 THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
00:50:49 I WAS ASKING IN TERMS OF WHAT COMMUNITY IS NEARBY FOR
00:50:53 PURPOSES OF INQUIRING.
00:50:55 YOU NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM ANY NEARBY COMMUNITIES THAT
00:50:58 YOU PUT ON NOTICE OR ANYTHING?
00:50:59 >> NO.
00:51:00 >> IT APPEARS NOT, RIGHT?
00:51:04 OKAY.
00:51:04 NOTHING FURTHER AT THIS TIME.
00:51:05 THANK YOU.
00:51:05 >> OKAY.
00:51:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:51:07 ANYBODY ELSE?
00:51:09 IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
00:51:11 THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 9?
00:51:16 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
00:51:18 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
00:51:19 ALL IN FAVOR?
00:51:21 ANY OPPOSED?
00:51:21 COUNCILMAN CITRO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- OR YOU MADE A
00:51:27 PREVIOUS MOTION.
00:51:28 COUNCILMAN VIERA, SINCE IT IS YOUR DISTRICT.
00:51:31 >>LUIS VIERA: NOPE.
00:51:34 MOVE IT ON OVER.
00:51:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REALLY?
00:51:36 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
00:51:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: REZ 20-93.
00:51:47 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, ORDINANCE
00:51:49 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 10801 CROWS
00:51:53 CREEK BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
00:51:55 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
00:51:58 CLASSIFICATION PD-A, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ALTERNATIVE, TO
00:52:03 PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY,
00:52:06 ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
00:52:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
00:52:12 DINGFELDER.
00:52:12 >>LUIS VIERA: AND FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF I MAY EVEN
00:52:15 THOUGH I JUST SAID MOVE IT ON OVER.
00:52:17 MAY I HAVE THE GATE ATTACHED TO THAT?
00:52:21 THE GATE.
00:52:23 I'M SORRY, FENCE.
00:52:24 EXCUSE ME.
00:52:25 TIRED.
00:52:26 YES.
00:52:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION.
00:52:31 I GUESS TO HAVE THE HEARING REOPENED BECAUSE RATE NOW THE
00:52:35 PLAN IS A SITE PLAN.
00:52:38 IT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THE FENCE, BUT IF WE REOPEN THE T
00:52:42 HEARING.
00:52:42 >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED IF I MAY.
00:52:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING FROM
00:52:45 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
00:52:46 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
00:52:47 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
00:52:49 ALL IN FAVOR?
00:52:50 ALL RIGHT, ANY OPPOSED?
00:52:53 YES, SIR?
00:52:56 >> I WANT TO ASK IF THEY AGREE UPON THAT MOTION TO AGREE
00:53:00 TO THE FENCE HEIGHT, THE MATERIAL IN THE MOTION, JUST TO
00:53:02 BE CLEAR, SO FOR SECOND READING, IF THAT IS PART OF THE
00:53:05 MOTION, THAT WILL BE A CHANGE THAT WE NEED BETWEEN THIS
00:53:08 READING AND SECOND.
00:53:09 >> SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A FENCE, NO
00:53:16 LANDSCAPING, BUT THE FENCE, AND STAFF IS TALKING ABOUT
00:53:22 DOORS, WOULD BE LIKE THREE GATES.
00:53:25 >>LUIS VIERA: SO FENCE WOULD NOT INCLUDE LANDSCAPING?
00:53:28 >>RYAN MANASSE: ONE SECOND.
00:53:29 BILLBOARD WITH UNANIMOUSLY RESOURCES.
00:53:31 >> BILL BORS, NATURAL RESOURCES.
00:53:39 I USED TO PRACTICE WITH A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT SO I KNOW
00:53:42 SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
00:53:42 IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO A FENCE, I THINK THE BEST
00:53:46 COMPROMISE FOR ALL CONCERNS CONCERNED WOULD BE MAYBE A
00:53:49 SIMULATED WROUGHT IRON FENCE, THAT'S GOT SECURITY, YOU
00:53:54 CAN SEE IT, AND I WOULD DEFINITELY RETAIN THE LANDSCAPE
00:53:59 SOFTEN THE IMPACT OF ALL THOSE BUILDINGS, MAKE HUMAN
00:54:02 SCALE.
00:54:03 SO I WOULD DO THE BERM.
00:54:05 I WOULD DO THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS.
00:54:07 AND DESCRIBE A SIMULATED WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
00:54:12 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I SAY THAT -- PLEASE KEEP THE TREES,
00:54:15 SHRUBBERY, ALL THAT BEAUTIFUL STUFF.
00:54:17 I JUST SAY THAT FOR SAFETY SAKE.
00:54:19 IT'S CROCK CREEK, WHICH IS A BUSY STREET AND WHATNOT.
00:54:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MAY I INQUIRE OF THE APPLICANT WITH
00:54:26 REGARD TO WHETHER YOU AGREE TO ADD THAT TO THE SITE PLAN
00:54:33 AS PART OF THAT MOTION?
00:54:34 >> 6-FOOT?
00:54:38 >> SORRY.
00:54:39 I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM THE APPLICANT.
00:54:41 AND IT WAS A BIT CONFUSING.
00:54:43 SO I GOT THREE LITTLE DOTS RIGHT NOW.
00:54:51 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
00:54:54 >> IT'S OKAY.
00:54:55 IT'S OKAY.
00:54:55 >>LUIS VIERA: I APOLOGIZE, COUNCIL.
00:54:58 >> SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT.
00:55:00 BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPING ALONE, WE IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPING
00:55:07 FOR VISUAL EFFECTS.
00:55:08 AND NOW WE HAVE A FENCE.
00:55:16 SO AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S JUST A FENCE.
00:55:19 THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.
00:55:22 >> I GREW UP IN A HOUSE WITH WROUGHT IRON FENCE AROUND IT
00:55:28 AND WE HAD PLENTY OF LANDSCAPING AND COULD YOU SEE RIGHT
00:55:31 THROUGH THE FENCE.
00:55:32 >> ACTUALLY, I JUST GOT AGREED ON THE FENCE AND
00:55:35 LANDSCAPING CODE.
00:55:36 SO ABSOLUTELY.
00:55:36 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
00:55:38 >> I'M GLAD HE'S UP.
00:55:43 >> ARE WE LAG AT A FIVE FOOT HEY, SIX PHI FOOT HIGH
00:55:47 FENCE?
00:55:48 >> WELL, THE MAXIMUM IS 6-FOOT FENCE.
00:55:50 SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX FOOT HEIGHT.
00:55:53 >> JUST WANT IT SPECIFIED.
00:55:56 THAT'S ALL.
00:55:57 SPECIFY THE HEIGHT.
00:55:59 AND SIMULATED WROUGHT IRON.
00:56:03 >>RYAN MANASSE: JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO FROM WAY
00:56:05 UNDERSTAND IT SOUND LIKE THE SIX FOOT HEY SIMULATED
00:56:08 WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON THE NORTH BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.
00:56:11 >> JUST FOR A FENCE, JUST LIKE THE OTHER GUYS.
00:56:20 >> WHAT KIND OF FENCE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?
00:56:25 >> UM, SORRY.
00:56:34 >>RYAN MANASSE: I'M SORRY, THIS IS JUST FOR THE RECORD
00:56:37 SO WE ARE CLEAR SO IT'S SHOWN ON THE PD.
00:56:38 >> YES.
00:56:52 IT WOULD BE LIKE ALUMINUM, SIMULATED WROUGHT IRON.
00:56:57 I GREW UP ON A WROUGHT IRON FENCE BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A
00:57:01 KID THEY SOLD WROUGHT IRON FENCES.
00:57:03 NOW IT'S ALUMINUM.
00:57:04 >> OKAY.
00:57:05 >>RYAN MANASSE: ISABEL, IS THAT --
00:57:10 >> IT'S THINKING RIGHT NOW.
00:57:11 [ LAUGHTER ]
00:57:18 I THINK THAT'S JUST THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS
00:57:21 JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
00:57:30 IF THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO GET US APPROVED --
00:57:33 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY YES TO?
00:57:35 I WAS SPEAKING TO MR. SHELBY.
00:57:37 >> IT'S OKAY.
00:57:37 >>RYAN MANASSE: DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY FOR THE RECORD AND
00:57:41 JUST AGREE?
00:57:41 IT SOUND LIKE --
00:57:48 >> IT'S A 6-FOOT HIGH FENCE.
00:57:51 LOOKS LIKE WROUGHT IRON BUT IT'S SIMULATED WROUGHT IRON,
00:57:55 MADE OUT OF ALUMINUM, IT'S VERY TRANSPARENT.
00:57:58 SO ON THE NORTH SIDE.
00:58:02 AND YOU STILL HAVE THE LANDSCAPING.
00:58:03 >>LUIS VIERA: MY CONCERN IS JUST FOR SAFETY.
00:58:11 THAT'S MY CONCERN IS SAFETY.
00:58:12 AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
00:58:15 AND I APPRECIATE IT, MA'AM.
00:58:16 THANK YOU.
00:58:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
00:58:19 >> OKAY.
00:58:20 THANK YOU.
00:58:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
00:58:22 VIERA.
00:58:23 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
00:58:24 ALL IN FAVOR?
00:58:25 ANY OPPOSED?
00:58:26 ALL RIGHT.
00:58:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I WILL SECOND COUNCILMAN
00:58:29 VIERA'S AMENDED MOTION.
00:58:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
00:58:35 VIERA.
00:58:35 SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER -- THE AMENDED.
00:58:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, WHO MADE THE INITIAL
00:58:43 MOTION?
00:58:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE INITIAL MOTION WAS COUNCILMAN
00:58:46 GUDES.
00:58:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THEN HE MADE A REQUEST FOR AN
00:58:49 AMENDMENT.
00:58:51 >>LUIS VIERA: WHICH HE ACCEPTED.
00:58:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON IT.
00:58:59 SO IT'S PART OF YOUR MOTION?
00:59:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.
00:59:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
00:59:02 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
00:59:04 ROLL CALL VOTE.
00:59:06 >>LUIS VIERA: NOPE.
00:59:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU SAID NO?
00:59:14 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, TO THE WHOLE THING, YEAH.
00:59:16 >> I THOUGHT WE FIXED THE FENCE.
00:59:23 >>LUIS VIERA: THE FENCE IS FINE BUT I AM NOT VOTING FOR
00:59:25 IT.
00:59:25 YOU KNOW, WELL, WE ARE AT RISK OF REOPENING.
00:59:29 I STAND BY MY VOTE.
00:59:30 BUT YOU ALL GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
00:59:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
00:59:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
00:59:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
00:59:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
00:59:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
00:59:44 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA VOTING NO.
00:59:49 MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
00:59:50 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY
00:59:53 18th AT 9:30 A.M.
00:59:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LAST ITEM OF THE NIGHT.
00:59:59 AND I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF NEW BUSINESS.
01:00:01 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 10 IS REZ 20-94 FOR PROPERTY
01:00:07 LOCATED AT 10513 CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD, THE REQUEST FROM
01:00:11 PD-A TO A ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
01:00:19 AFTER DANNY COLLINS PLEASE RETURN TO ME.
01:00:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:00:27 GO AHEAD.
01:00:27 WE CAN SEE YOUR SCREEN.
01:00:29 >>DANNY COLLINS: PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
01:00:31 I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
01:00:33 OUR LAST CASE IS IN THE NEW TAMPA PLANNING DISTRICT AND
01:00:36 IT'S BASED ON OUR LAST CASE.
01:00:42 THE CLOSEST PUBLIC RECREATIONAL FACILITY -- CORRECTION,
01:00:46 LOCATED 4 MILES TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
01:00:48 SITE IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN PROXIMITY OF TRANSIT, AND IS
01:00:52 NOT IN A RECREATION ZONE.
01:00:54 HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE SUBJECT SITE, SURROUNDING
01:00:58 PROPERTY IS SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDERSTOOD THE SMU
01:01:05 3, FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
01:01:12 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF FIND THE PROPOSED USE OF THE
01:01:14 SITE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PATTERN BUT DOES NOT
01:01:19 MEET THE NIXED USE CORRIDOR POLICIES, AS STATED
01:01:23 PREVIOUSLY.
01:01:24 SMU 3, DESIGNATION, IS CONSIDERED TO BE IN THE MIXED USE
01:01:28 CORRIDOR POLICIES.
01:01:30 RESIDENTIAL USES POLICIES ARE TO BE ORIENT TOWARDS THE
01:01:35 STREET WITH TREES FACING THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, CROSS
01:01:40 CREEK BOULEVARD, BUILDINGS 1 AND 2 ON THE SITE PLAN,
01:01:45 FACING INTERNALLY WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH THIS POLICY
01:01:48 DIRECTION.
01:01:49 LAND USE POLICY 6.1.5 AND 6.1.9 SEEKS TO PROMOTE
01:01:55 PEDESTRIAN ACCESSIBILITY BY PLACING BUILDINGS CLOSE TO
01:01:57 THE SIDEWALK AND CREATE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS BETWEEN USES
01:02:00 IN THE CORRIDOR.
01:02:03 OUR REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN BUILDINGS, ONE, TWO,
01:02:06 BUILDINGS ONE AND TWO DO NOT PROVIDE RESIDENTIAL ACCESS
01:02:10 FROM THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS FROM CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD
01:02:12 OR TO PUBLIC REALM.
01:02:15 WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH THESE POLICIES.
01:02:17 LAND USE GOAL 6 SEEKS TO TRANSFORM MIXED USE CORRIDORS,
01:02:22 TO SEEK PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT TO SERVE AS
01:02:25 GATHERING PLACES FOR NEIGHBORS.
01:02:27 IT IS UNCLEAR HOW THIS PROPOSAL SEEKS THIS GOAL
01:02:31 UNDERSTOOD THE MIXED USE CORRIDOR SECTION IN THE
01:02:34 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
01:02:35 BASED ON THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF
01:02:38 FIND THE REQUEST INCONSISTENT WITH CITY OF TAMPA
01:02:41 COMPREHENSION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
01:02:42 THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
01:02:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:02:45 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
01:02:48 AGAIN THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY
01:02:50 FOR FILE REZ 20-94 LOCATED AT 10513 CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD
01:02:55 FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PDA, TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT
01:02:59 TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT MUCH 35 RESIDENTIAL
01:03:01 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS.
01:03:03 ALTHOUGH THIS SITE IS AGAIN LOCATED IN THE NEW TAMPA
01:03:07 COMMERCIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT, COMPLIANCE WITH THAT
01:03:09 DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARD ARE NOT APPLICABLE FOR THIS
01:03:12 PROPOSED USE.
01:03:13 THE PROJECT DOES PROPOSE A CONSTRUCTION OF SIX BUILDINGS
01:03:17 IN THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 2 IT DOES OUTLINE THOSE
01:03:20 BUILDINGS WITH NUMBER OF UNITS PER.
01:03:22 THE SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND VEHICULAR ACCESS OFF
01:03:26 CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE
01:03:29 SITE, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS ARE PROVIDED ALONG THE
01:03:29 BOUNDARY OF THE BUILDING AND SURFACE PARKING FOR
01:03:32 CONNECTIVITY.
01:03:33 THIS PROJECT CONTAINS A RECREATIONAL PATH WHICH BEGINS
01:03:35 NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE SITE AND RUNS ALONG THE EAST,
01:03:39 SOUTH AND A PORTION OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE.
01:03:41 THE PATH CONNECTS TO INTERNAL PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS AND
01:03:44 WALKWAYS.
01:03:44 THE SUBJECT SITE IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED
01:03:47 RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH, NORTH, WEST, NORTHEAST AND
01:03:50 HERITAGE ISLES TO THE NORTH.
01:03:52 THE SITE AND THE SURROUNDING PARCELS ARE ALL PART OF
01:03:56 AGAIN THE OVERALL PDA APPROVAL FILE ZO 8-69 AND PROPOSED
01:04:01 USE REQUIRES 79 PARKING SPACES AND 103 PARKING SPACES ARE
01:04:05 BEING PROVIDED. THERE WERE NO HISTORIC LANDMARKS WITHIN
01:04:08 A THOUSAND FEET OF THE STRUCTURE.
01:04:09 AGAIN THE AERIAL WHICH DANNY KIND OF WENT OVER IS CROSS
01:04:13 CREEK, THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS OUTLINED IN RED.
01:04:16 WITH THAT BEING SAID THERE WERE SIX WAIVERS BEING
01:04:18 REQUESTED THROUGH THIS PETITION AND THE DEVELOPMENT
01:04:19 REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF DID FIND IT CONSISTENT WITH
01:04:24 INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA REGULATIONS.
01:04:26 IF YOU WILL PLEASE SEE THE FINDINGS WITH REDUCTION TO THE
01:04:30 AISLE WIDTH.
01:04:31 SHOULD IT BE THE DECISION OF CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS
01:04:34 WAIVER AND THE WAIVERS IDENTIFIED IN THIS REPORT FOR THE
01:04:37 SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST
01:04:39 AND SECOND READING AS OUTLINED ON THE REVISION SHEET.
01:04:42 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
01:04:44 >> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
01:04:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A QUESTION GOING BACK TO
01:04:48 DANNY'S COMMENTS.
01:04:51 I'M TRYING TO READ THE REPORT BUT ON MY SCREEN IT'S LIKE
01:04:55 SUPER MICRO.
01:04:57 I JUST CAN'T READ IT.
01:04:59 SO DANNY, ARE YOU STILL THERE?
01:05:02 CAN YOU SUMMARIZE VERY, VERY QUICKLY WHAT YOUR KEY
01:05:07 OBJECTIONS WERE?
01:05:08 >>DANNY COLLINS: SO IF YOU GO WITH THE MIXED USE
01:05:14 CENTER'S CORRIDOR AND POLICIES LAND USE GOAL IN THE
01:05:18 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SEEKS TO TRANSFORM THE MIXED USE
01:05:23 CORRIDOR TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, I GOT -- LAND
01:05:33 USE GOAL OF IS TO TRANSFORM MIXED USE CORRIDORS TO
01:05:37 PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT SERVES AS GATHERING
01:05:39 PLACES FOR ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
01:05:42 IN SOME OF THOSE POLICIES, SPECIFICALLY 6.1.579 AND
01:05:46 6.1.9, SEEK TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC REALM BY PLACING
01:05:51 BUILDINGS CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, WITH ENTRANCES
01:05:57 FACING THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND PROVIDING A
01:06:01 CONNECTION TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY FROM THE FRONT OF
01:06:05 THE BUILDING.
01:06:06 THE PROPOSAL, AND ALSO THE LAST ONE, YOU WILL SEE THAT
01:06:12 THE BUILDINGS ARE FACING INTERNALLY AND DON'T ENGAGE THE
01:06:15 MIXED USE CORRIDOR.
01:06:17 THEY DON'T HAVE ENTRANCES OR ANY CONNECTION THAT FACES
01:06:22 THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
01:06:25 WE HAVE CONFLICTS WITH THE REQUEST BEING CORRIDOR
01:06:31 POLICIES AND ENGAGING THE PUBLIC RECOMMEND.
01:06:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
01:06:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:06:37 APPLICANT?
01:06:37 >> GOOD MORNING.
01:06:43 ISABEL WITH HAPPEN ASSOCIATES WITH THIS REZONING REQUEST.
01:06:48 JUST VERY QUICKLY, HERE IS THE SITE.
01:06:52 THIS IS THE SITE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
01:06:54 VERY SIMILAR PROJECT.
01:06:56 VERY SIMILAR ISSUES.
01:06:58 IN BOTH.
01:06:59 AGAIN WITH A REDUCTION AND BUILDING SEPARATION AROUND
01:07:04 HERE. SO THIS SITE HAS A LOT MORE CONSTRAINTS.
01:07:09 SO WE HAVE WETLAND HERE, WETLAND HERE, AND THEN THAT
01:07:13 40-FOOT EASEMENT PRESERVATION EASEMENT OVER HERE.
01:07:16 WITH HERE. SO SIMILAR AGAIN WITH A TRANSPORTATION
01:07:22 CONCERN, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO
01:07:24 MANEUVER SAFELY CARS OVER HERE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE
01:07:29 ALSO SHOWED THAT EXHIBIT TO JONATHAN AND HE AGREED THAT
01:07:33 IT IS POSSIBLE TO MANEUVER THE CAR SAFELY, AND SIMILAR
01:07:41 SITUATION WITH THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE ARE PROVIDING UP
01:07:45 FRONT, BUT WE WILL COMPLY WITH WHAT WE AGREED TO WITH THE
01:07:48 PREVIOUS REZONING AS PRESENTED.
01:07:57 THAT'S 35 UNITS.
01:07:58 AND UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE.
01:08:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ASSUME YOU ARE AWARE OF THE
01:08:05 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF'S CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS IN
01:08:09 REGARD TO ORIENTATION THESE UNITS ESPECIALLY THE UNITS
01:08:14 THAT ARE RIGHT THERE ON CROSS CREEK.
01:08:18 THE OTHER UNITS.
01:08:20 IT WOULD BE A LITTLE HARDER TO ADDRESS.
01:08:22 BUT AS RELATED TO THOSE UNITS, DID YOU LOOK AT
01:08:26 ALTERNATIVE DESIGN TO ADDRESS PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF'S
01:08:30 CONCERNS?
01:08:32 >> WE DID TALK ABOUT SLIPPING THE UNITS.
01:08:35 BUT BY DOING THAT, IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY DIFFICULT THAT IF
01:08:39 YOU START FLIPPING THEM AND HAVING THE FRONT, JUST THE
01:08:43 DESIGN ITSELF WAS DIFFICULT.
01:08:45 JUST BECAUSE THE SITE ITSELF HAS DIFFICULT CONSTRAINTS.
01:08:49 WE DID TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
01:08:51 THAT IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER EXAMPLES, THAT
01:08:55 PLANNING COMMISSION POINTED TO US AND SAID, YES, I KNOW
01:08:58 THIS DOES HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE INTERNALLY, THIS IS WHY
01:09:01 THEY PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GAVE US THAT EXAMPLE.
01:09:04 THEY GAVE OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT IT WAS NOT IN THE SAME
01:09:10 SITUATION AS THIS ONE.
01:09:11 I GUESS THE BEST EXAMPLE IS REALLY THE ONE NEXT TO THE
01:09:15 EAST WITH THAT FENCE, AND THAT GATE.
01:09:20 AND THAT'S ALSO THE REAR TO CROSS CREEK.
01:09:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO AT THE BEGINNING YOU SAID THAT YOU
01:09:31 AND YOUR CLIENT WERE AMENABLE TO AMENDING THIS PROPOSAL
01:09:38 THE SAME WAY WE DID THE LAST ONE, WITH THAT BILL
01:09:43 SUGGESTED, I GUESS THE FRONTAGE ON CROSS CREEK?
01:09:47 >> CORRECT.
01:09:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BILL, DOES THAT WORK AS RELATED TO
01:09:50 THIS PROJECT?
01:09:51 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT --
01:10:00 >>BILL BORS: YEAH, IT WOULD BE THE ALUMINUM FENCE THAT
01:10:03 LOOKS LIKE THE TRADITIONAL WROUGHT IRON AND SIX FEET
01:10:07 HIGH, AND ALL ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
01:10:11 THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS LOOK VERY SIMILAR, BOTH FRAMED IN
01:10:14 BY WETLAND, AND ARE JUST BASICALLY DOWN THE STREET FROM
01:10:19 ONE ANOTHER.
01:10:19 SO YES, IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING TO HEIGHTEN SECURELY A
01:10:25 LITTLE BIT, BUT ALSO STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPING
01:10:28 THAT THEY ARE PLANTING.
01:10:29 THE BERM, THE SHRUBS AND THE TREES.
01:10:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
01:10:34 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:10:35 I WAS GOING TO INQUIRE ON THE FENCE AND THANK YOU FOR
01:10:37 THAT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:10:39 COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR?
01:10:40 YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY THAT YOU DO DILIGENCE
01:10:43 WITH REGARD TO THE NOTICE, ET CETERA.
01:10:45 MAYBE JUST CHECK WITH CORY LAKE ISLES AND HERITAGE ISLES
01:10:49 AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS JUST ON THE FENCE OR
01:10:51 ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
01:10:52 I DOUBT THAT THEY DO BUT YOU NEVER KNOW, IF YOU DON'T
01:10:54 MIND DOING THAT.
01:10:55 >> OKAY.
01:10:56 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
01:10:57 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
01:10:58 I WANT TO CLARIFY, THOUGH, BILL, WE WERE ABLE TO FIT
01:11:03 THE -- THIS HAS LESS SPACE THAN THE OTHER ONE.
01:11:08 WE ARE STILL ABLE TO BUILD THE BERM.
01:11:12 BECAUSE WE WERE THINKING, WHAT WE HAD TO DO THAT WE WERE
01:11:15 GOING TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING, LIKE THE BERMS, WHY WOULD
01:11:19 THERE BE A BERM NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THE FENCE?
01:11:22 I ASSUMED THE OTHER ONE, WE WERE GOING TO DO IT PER CODE,
01:11:25 AND TO HAVE THOSE TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
01:11:29 BUT JUST MENTIONED THE BERM.
01:11:32 AND HAVING THE FENCE AND PER CODE REQUIREMENT, AND THEN
01:11:37 HAVE LANDSCAPING PER CODE REQUIREMENT.
01:11:39 >> THE BERM IS ONLY 18 INCHES HIGH.
01:11:43 AND BASICALLY LONG-TERM, FOR SOME BUFFERING, WE WERE
01:11:49 HOPING THAT THE TREES WOULD ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE
01:11:53 SCREENING FROM CROSS CREEK.
01:11:56 THE FENCE IS MORE TRANSPARENT.
01:11:59 >> THE IDEA OF THE FENCE TO BE VISUALIZED.
01:12:04 >>BILL BORS: RIGHT.
01:12:06 >> SO NOW WE HAVE THE FENCE.
01:12:09 AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT THE BERM, THE SHRUB, THE FENCE -- I
01:12:13 MEAN, IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT A FENCE LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE
01:12:17 DONE ELSEWHERE, THEY PUT THE FENCE RIGHT DOWN ON THE
01:12:20 GROUND, AND THEY PUT SOME LANDSCAPING BEHIND THE FENCE.
01:12:25 WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE FENCE ON THE GROUND
01:12:27 AND THEN WE CAN DO THE LANDSCAPING AND NOW IT'S GOING TO
01:12:30 BE SEE THROUGH SO WE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TREES.
01:12:33 >>BILL BORS: SAY THAT AGAIN?
01:12:37 YOU PUT THE FENCE IN -- GO AHEAD.
01:12:39 I'M LISTENING.
01:12:40 >> PUTTING THE FENCE IN IS ONE PRAISE.
01:12:43 WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE.
01:12:45 NOW WE HAVE TO PUT THE VERY EXPENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND THE
01:12:49 WROUGHT IRON FENCE, WHICH I ASSUMED EARLIER WHEN I SAID
01:12:52 YES, WE WILL DO THE FENCING, YOU KNOW, THE SIMULATED
01:13:02 WROUGHT IRON FENCE WITH CODE LANDSCAPING.
01:13:06 OUR PROPOSAL WAS A LOT MORE THAN CODE.
01:13:09 A LOT.
01:13:09 >>BILL BORS: BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE FENCE -- WERE YOU
01:13:16 PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE IF YOU PUT THE ALUMINUM FENCE IN?
01:13:19 >> AT THIS POINT, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO CODE, WHAT
01:13:23 CODE REQUIREMENT.
01:13:24 I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE TREES.
01:13:26 THAT'S DEFINITELY WE ARE GOING TO DO THE TREES.
01:13:28 BUT THE BERM, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S ONLY AN 18-FOOT BERM,
01:13:33 BUT --
01:13:35 >>BILL BORS: 18-INCH.
01:13:36 >> YES, SORRY.
01:13:38 18-INCH.
01:13:38 >>BILL BORS: SO YOU WOULD BE LIMITING THE BERM BUT --
01:13:47 WOULD STILL BE THERE?
01:13:48 >> YES.
01:13:49 I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED TO EARLIER, TOO.
01:13:53 YOU JUST ADDED THE BERM AND EVERYTHING AND I WANTED TO BE
01:13:56 SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
01:13:57 >>BILL BORS: I KNOW CITY COUNCILMAN VIERA YOU WANTED THE
01:14:05 FENCE FOR SECURITY.
01:14:06 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
01:14:07 >>BILL BORS: OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD LOOK NICER WITH THE
01:14:15 BERM.
01:14:18 >> IT IS NICER WITH THE BERM, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA WHAT WE
01:14:21 WERE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE A NICE LANDSCAPING, AND IT'S
01:14:24 OKAY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TAKE SOME OF THAT AWAY AND PUT
01:14:28 THE FENCE IN.
01:14:29 AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
01:14:30 >>BILL BORS: BUT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO RETAIN THE TREES,
01:14:35 RETAIN THE SHRUBS, JUST ELIMINATE THE BERM?
01:14:38 >> AT LEAST RETAIN THE TREES.
01:14:40 AGAIN, WE TRIPLED THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING ON THAT.
01:14:45 SO NOW WE HAVE THE COST OF THE FENCE, AND WE'LL PUT THOSE
01:14:51 TREES IN, AND THEN THE -- SOME OF THE SHRUBS, I AM NOT
01:15:00 TOO GUARANTEED ABOUT THE SHRUBS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE RIGHT
01:15:02 NOW IT'S NOT REQUIRED ANYTHING.
01:15:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. VIERA, CAN YOU MEDIATE THIS?
01:15:08 [ LAUGHTER ]
01:15:11 >> I'M SUGGESTING, COUNCILMAN, THE FENCE AND CODE
01:15:16 LANDSCAPING.
01:15:18 >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T
01:15:21 RUN AFOUL OF STAFF AND CODE ET CETERA.
01:15:23 AND WHAT IS YOU ALL'S POSITION ON THAT?
01:15:26 >> IF WE LOSE SOME BERMING BUT WE STILL HAVE THE FENCE,
01:15:33 IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
01:15:34 IT'S FINE.
01:15:37 OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE LOOKING TO SAVE SOME MONEY.
01:15:40 AS LONG AS WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE UP THERE, AND THE FENCE
01:15:43 STAYS, WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT.
01:15:46 >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU ARE GOOD WITH THAT, WHAT I WOULD
01:15:48 AGAIN ASK YOU TO DO ON BOTH PROJECTS IS IF YOU COULD
01:15:50 REPORT BACK AT SECOND READING, AGAIN INQUIRE WITH CORY
01:15:54 LAKE AND HERITAGE ISLES THEIR IDEAS FOR THAT, TO GET
01:15:58 INPUT, BECAUSE I CAN'T CONTACT THEM SINCE THIS IS
01:16:01 QUASI-JUDICIAL.
01:16:02 SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
01:16:04 >> ABSOLUTELY.
01:16:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU MA'AM.
01:16:06 >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
01:16:07 >>CATE WELLS: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CONTACT WITH
01:16:09 THE OTHER COMMUNITIES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING?
01:16:12 BECAUSE IF THE RESULT OF THAT IS GOING TO RETURN FURTHER
01:16:16 REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN, WE ARE GOING BACK TO FIRST
01:16:19 READING.
01:16:19 SO IS THAT REALLY WHAT COUNCIL WANTS?
01:16:21 >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING SO FUNDAMENTAL
01:16:28 TO THE PLAN THAT --
01:16:30 >>CATE WELLS: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RESULT OF THOSE
01:16:32 COMMUNICATIONS ARE GOING TO BE.
01:16:33 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE IS.
01:16:35 BUT IF IT MEANS WE ARE REVISING THE SITE PLAN OATH.
01:16:39 >>LUIS VIERA: IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MANY WE ARE
01:16:42 REVISING THE SITE PLAN, JUST SOME CONTACT TO MAKE THEM
01:16:45 AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO
01:16:47 THAT.
01:16:48 AND IF THEY ARE FINE WITH IT.
01:16:49 IF THEY ARE NOT THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP SO WE CAN GO
01:16:54 FORWARD BUT THERE'S NO ASSURANCE.
01:16:56 I THINK IT'S FINE.
01:16:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. WELLS DOES RAISE A GOOD POINT.
01:17:02 I SHOULD POINT OUT, AND THE QUESTION TO MR. MANASSE, ARE
01:17:10 THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS NOTICED ON THE SITE PLAN?
01:17:15 >> YOU ANTICIPATED MY NEXT COMMENT.
01:17:18 HERITAGE ISLES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WAS NOTIFIED.
01:17:20 >>RYAN MANASSE: NOTICE WAS DONE ACCORDING TO CODE AND
01:17:24 MRS. ALBERT TURNED IN HER NOTICES TO CITY CLERK WHICH
01:17:28 WERE ACCEPTED.
01:17:29 OTHERWISE SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE HEARD AT THIS PUBLIC
01:17:33 HEARING.
01:17:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND JUST SO THE REST OF YOU KNOW, YOUR
01:17:36 CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
01:17:41 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
01:17:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN OTHER WORDS, THE CODE IS IN
01:17:44 COMPLIANCE, AND MS. WELLS SAYS IT COMES WITH RISK.
01:17:50 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, BASED UPON THE ADVICE OF
01:17:52 COUNCIL, THEN I WOULD WITHDRAW ANY REQUEST FOR RESPECTIVE
01:17:56 CHANGES.
01:17:57 IF YOU WISH TO INQUIRE THEM SUPERFLUOUSLY THAT'S UP TO
01:18:01 YOU BUT WITH REGARD TO PROSPECTIVE CHANGES I WILL
01:18:04 WITHDRAW THAT ON THE ADVICE OF COUNCIL AND SINCE IT'S
01:18:07 1:17 A.M.
01:18:08 SO THANK YOU.
01:18:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
01:18:10 JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS CLEAR, AND I DON'T MANY
01:18:13 TO GO BACKWARD, BUT IT APPEARED THAT WE NIXED THE BERM,
01:18:18 RIGHT?
01:18:19 AND WE HAD THE LANDSCAPING TO CODE AS BILL AND ISABELLA
01:18:24 SUGGEST WITH THE FENCE.
01:18:25 I SUGGEST AFTER THIS IS CLOSED THAT WE RETURN TO 93 IF
01:18:28 IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE IN THAT
01:18:30 MOTION IT WAS INCLUDING THE BERM THAT WAS SHOWN, THE
01:18:33 FENCING AND THE LANDSCAPING.
01:18:34 SO IF WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THESE CONSISTENT --
01:18:36 >> I SAID ON THE RECORD PER CODE.
01:18:39 >> I AGREE WITH STAFF RAPE RAIN I AM JUST MAKING SURE
01:18:46 THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AT SECOND READING.
01:18:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE'LL ADDRESS THAT AFTER WE HANDLE THIS
01:18:52 ONE, IF WE CAN.
01:18:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT
01:18:54 WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 10?
01:18:58 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
01:19:00 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
01:19:02 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:19:04 ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
01:19:06 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
01:19:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
01:19:10 IN REGARD TO FILE REZ 20-94, I MOVE THE FOLLOWING
01:19:14 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
01:19:17 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 105 CROSS CREEK
01:19:20 BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE
01:19:22 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
01:19:25 CLASSIFICATION PD-A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ALTERNATIVE, TO
01:19:29 PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
01:19:32 ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE
01:19:37 THAT THE PETITION MEATS THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES OF THE
01:19:41 POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE LAND
01:19:45 DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THAT THE WAIVERS ARE ACCEPTABLE AND
01:19:52 DO NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE OR INJURY THE RIGHTS OF
01:19:55 OTHERS WHOSE PROPERTY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE WAIVERS,
01:20:00 AND I WOULD INCLUDE THE NEGOTIATED DISCUSSIONS AND
01:20:07 CONCLUSION OF THE FENCE ISSUE.
01:20:14 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU 2021 CLARIFY THE FENCE ONE MORE TIME.
01:20:18 THE FENCE AND THE LANDSCAPING?
01:20:21 >> SO IT'S A 6-FOOT ALUMINUM FENCE TO SIMULATE WROUGHT
01:20:28 IRON.
01:20:29 WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO BERM.
01:20:31 AND LANDSCAPING TO CODE.
01:20:36 MITIGATION OF TREES, WE STILL WANT TO GET A FAIR AMOUNT
01:20:39 OF TREES UP THERE SO WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE MITIGATION
01:20:43 TREES UP FRONT.
01:20:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALONG CROSS CREEK.
01:20:47 >>BILL BORS: YES.
01:20:48 SO WE HAVE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MITIGATED ON THE
01:20:52 SITE AND WANT TO PRIORITIZE THOSE PLANTINGS UP FRONT.
01:20:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THAT MODIFICATION ACCEPTABLE TO
01:20:58 THE PETITIONER?
01:21:00 SORRY?
01:21:01 >> YES.
01:21:02 I'M OKAY.
01:21:03 GOOD.
01:21:04 THANK YOU.
01:21:04 >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION?
01:21:08 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
01:21:09 ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:21:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
01:21:12 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:21:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:21:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
01:21:18 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
01:21:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:21:23 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA VOTING NO.
01:21:26 MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
01:21:27 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 18
01:21:31 AT 9:30 A.M.
01:21:31 >> LET'S GO BACK TO ITEM --
01:21:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, THAT WOULD BE A MOTION TO
01:21:39 RECONSIDER.
01:21:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECONSIDER?
01:21:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
01:21:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU COULD SAY THE
01:21:46 CASE NUMBER AND THE ITEM NUMBER.
01:21:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
01:21:48 MOVE TO CONSIDER REZ 20-93.
01:21:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO
01:21:54 WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:21:58 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:22:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO REOPEN.
01:22:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET A MOTION TO REOPEN?
01:22:04 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:22:05 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:22:08 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:22:10 THE CASE IS NOW REOPENED.
01:22:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND NOW WITH REGARD TO BEING CLEAR ON
01:22:18 THE RECORD, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE TESTIMONY AND AN
01:22:23 AGREEMENT FROM THE PETITIONER OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND?
01:22:27 >>LUIS VIERA: CAN WE SAY THE SAME AGREEMENT THAT APPLIED
01:22:29 TO NUMBER 10 APPLIES TO NUMBER 9?
01:22:34 >> IT'S 6-FOOT HIGH, SIMULATED WROUGHT IRON FENCE IMPOSED
01:22:41 OF ALUMINUM, NO BERM, ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND WE WANT THE
01:22:51 MITIGATION TREES PRIORITIZED FOR THAT NORTH SIDE AREA
01:22:55 ALONG CROSS CREEK.
01:22:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LANDSCAPING TO CODE.
01:23:01 >>BILL BORS: MINIMUM LANDSCAPING TO CODE BUT MITIGATION
01:23:04 TREES PRIORITIZED UP ON THE NORTH SIDE.
01:23:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL MOVE TO INCLUDE THOSE CHANGES
01:23:10 MADE BY STAFF AS RELATED TO LANDSCAPING AND THE FENCE,
01:23:14 AND ADD THAT TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED.
01:23:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
01:23:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:23:20 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:23:21 ROLL CALL VOTE.
01:23:22 >>LUIS VIERA: I VOTE NO AGAIN.
01:23:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
01:23:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:23:28 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:23:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
01:23:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:23:33 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA VOTING NO,
01:23:38 MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
01:23:39 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON FEBRUARY
01:23:41 18th AT 9:30 A.M.
01:23:42 >> THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
01:23:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
01:23:48 WE GO TO INFORMATION REPORTS AND NEW BUSINESS FROM
01:23:51 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
01:23:52 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
01:23:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, AS PER THE REQUEST BY
01:23:56 PLANNING COMMISSION, I MOVE TO SCHEDULE PLANNING
01:23:58 AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TACPA 20-01, TACPA 20-33,
01:24:08 TACPA 20-34, TACPA 20-35, TACPA 20-36, TAPA 20-37, TACPA
01:24:26 20-38, TACPA 20-39, TACPA 20-40, AND A PLAN AMENDMENT
01:24:35 TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR TACPA 20-41 AT 5:01 P.M., MARCH
01:24:42 25th, 2021, AND DIRECTED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO
01:24:46 PROVIDE CITY CLERK WITH A FORM OF NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING
01:24:49 THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
01:24:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU SAY A.M. OR P.M.?
01:24:55 I AM JUST KIDDING.
01:24:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:24:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:25:00 ANY OPPOSED?
01:25:00 >>LUIS VIERA: NAY.
01:25:03 JUST KIDDING.
01:25:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
01:25:06 >> I MOVE FOR COMMENDATION TO BE PRESENTED TO MR. TREVOR
01:25:10 WILSON FOR HIS ACHIEVEMENT OF BECOMING AN EAGLE SCOUT TO
01:25:15 BE PRESENTED ON MARCH 18, 2021 DURING CEREMONY ACTIVITIES
01:25:21 AT 9:00 A.M.
01:25:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:25:25 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:25:27 YAY.
01:25:28 ANY OPPOSED?
01:25:28 GREAT.
01:25:29 ANYTHING ELSE?
01:25:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
01:25:31 >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
01:25:33 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:25:33 SORRY I HAVE TO BRING THIS UP SO LATE.
01:25:36 AND MARTY, YOU MAY INTERVENE AND MAKE SURE I GET THIS
01:25:41 RIGHT.
01:25:41 BUT LAST WEEK WE HAD NUMBER 16 FILE NUMBER PRC 21-66238
01:25:49 WHICH WAS ABOUT THE TAMPA BAY WATER SKI SHOW IN GADSEN
01:25:56 PARK.
01:25:56 WAS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, AND I VOTED FOR IT, ASSUME
01:26:00 THAT THE CITY HAD COMMUNICATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN
01:26:04 SOME WAY.
01:26:05 I THINK WE ALL WERE INUNDATED WITH E-MAILS AND CALLS FROM
01:26:09 NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT THEY WERE NOT NOTIFIED.
01:26:11 I THINK SEVERAL OF US SPOKE TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND
01:26:15 THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SENT OUT A MEMO, I THINK IT WAS
01:26:19 YESTERDAY MORNING, THIS MORNING, THAT WE THEN WERE ABLE
01:26:23 TO FORWARD ON SAYING THAT THEY PUT THE CONTRACT ON PAUSE.
01:26:26 BUT IN SPEAKING WITH MARTY, TELL ME, CAN I SAY THIS?
01:26:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS YOUR INTENTION?
01:26:34 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RESCIND
01:26:36 THAT VOTE ON FAIL PRC 21-66238.
01:26:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO RESCIND?
01:26:48 >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD?
01:26:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT'S YOUR INTENT, COUNCIL.
01:26:51 I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD BE ASKING FOR IN THE MOTION TO
01:26:54 RECONSIDER ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL.
01:26:56 I WOULD LIKE TO READ RECALL 4-F.
01:26:58 A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL, WHAT
01:27:02 YOU ARE ASKING FOR, SHALL BE MADE ONLY BY A MEMBER WHO
01:27:05 PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON THE PREVAILING SIDE, WHICH I BELIEVE
01:27:08 YOU STATED YOU HAD.
01:27:10 IS THAT CORRECT?
01:27:10 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:27:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND SHALL BE MADE ONLY AT THE SAME
01:27:15 MEETING OR AT THE FIRST SUBSEQUENT REGULAR MEETING, A
01:27:19 SECOND TO THE MOTION MAY BE MADE BY ANY MEMBER, BUT YOUR
01:27:22 NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 4th.
01:27:25 SO IF YOU WISH TO TAKE IT UP, IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
01:27:28 TO AT THAT TIME UP FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND
01:27:31 ULTIMATELY DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT,
01:27:34 YOU COULD MAKE THIS MOTION TO HAVE THAT SET FOR
01:27:37 RECONSIDERATION ON FEBRUARY 4th.
01:27:39 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:27:41 SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA.
01:27:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THAT ITEM.
01:27:47 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:27:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH I BELIEVE IF I RECALL WAS NUMBER
01:27:50 88 ON JANUARY --
01:27:53 >>BILL CARLSON: IT WAS FILE PRC 21-66238.
01:28:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON JANUARY --
01:28:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS ITEM 16.
01:28:08 OH, I'M SORRY.
01:28:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN
01:28:13 DINGFELDER TO RECONSIDER.
01:28:16 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:28:16 ANY OPPOSED?
01:28:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, COUNCIL, IT WAS ITEM 16.
01:28:20 I APOLOGIZE.
01:28:21 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
01:28:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE?
01:28:26 >>BILL CARLSON: KNOW.
01:28:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOTHING, THANK YOU.
01:28:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:28:30 THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THIS EVENING.
01:28:33 WE HAD ONE OF OUR LONG EMPLOYEES PASS AWAY, MS. WANDA
01:28:39 THOMPSON, WHO WORKED IN THE REAL ESTATE AND CONTRACT
01:28:43 SPECIALIST AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHO PASSED AWAY.
01:28:46 SHE WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH THE TAMPA BLACK HISTORY
01:28:48 COMMITTEE.
01:28:50 PART OF THE UNION, PART OF THE WOMEN'S CAUCUS, SERVED 38
01:28:54 YEARS WITH THE CITY, AND GIVEN TO HER FAMILY AT SERVICES
01:29:02 NEXT WEEK.
01:29:03 >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
01:29:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:29:06 ANY OPPOSED?
01:29:07 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
01:29:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S IT, SIR.
01:29:11 >>LUIS VIERA: NOTHING, MR. CHAIR.
01:29:12 THANK YOU.
01:29:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
01:29:14 FILE?
01:29:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
01:29:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CITRO.
01:29:18 SECOND FROM DINGFELDER.
01:29:19 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:29:21 ANY OPPOSED?
01:29:21 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
01:29:24
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