CITY OF TAMPA
TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2021
9:00 A.M.
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09:04:17
09:04:30 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
09:04:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:04:33 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
09:04:34 ORDER.
09:04:35 AT THIS TIME I YIELD TO COUNCILMEMBER GUDES FOR THE
09:04:38 INVOCATION.
09:04:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW DO I MAKE IT LOUDER?
09:04:44 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
09:04:48 I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PASTOR CHRISTOPHER J. HARRIS TO GIVE
09:04:53 THE INVOCATION.
09:04:54 HE'S A PASTOR OF CROSSOVER CHURCH OF TAMPA AND [AUDIO
09:04:54 INTERFERENCE] VISION FOR FULL GOSPEL BAPTIST CHURCH
09:05:01 FELLOWSHIP INTERNATIONAL.
09:05:01 HE'S A CO-LEADER WITH PASTOR HART AND ADMINISTRATOR OF
09:05:06 STRATEGIC MINDS AT THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
09:05:10 HE'S ALSO A SPEAKER, AUTHOR, BROADCASTER AND CONTENT
09:05:14 CREATOR. HIS LIFE MISSION IS INSPIRE EVERYDAY PEOPLE TO
09:05:16 LIVE WISE.
09:05:20 HE LIVES IN TAMPA WITH HIS LOVELY WIFE OF 20 YEARS AND
09:05:21 HIS FOUR CHILDREN. PASTOR HARRIS.
09:05:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND
09:05:25 REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
09:05:34 >> PASTOR HARRIS: GOOD MORNING TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, AND
09:05:37 TO COMMISSIONER GUDES.
09:05:39 THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.
09:05:43 WE HONOR YOU TODAY.
09:05:44 LIFE WITHOUT PURPOSE, THERE CAN'T BE A HARVEST UNLESS YOU
09:05:49 PLANT A SEED. THERE CAN'T BE ATTAINMENT UNLESS THERE'S A
09:05:52 GOAL. MAN IS BUT A ROBOT UNLESS THERE'S A SOUL.
09:05:55 SEND NO SHIPS OUT, NO SHIPS WILL COME IN. UNLESS THERE'S
09:05:58 A CONTEST, NOBODY CAN WIN.
09:05:59 THE GAMES CAN'T BE WON UNLESS THEY ARE PLAYED, AND
09:06:02 PRAYERS CAN'T BE ANSWERED UNLESS THEY ARE PRAYED.
09:06:04 TO YOU, GOOD AND GRACIOUS GOD OUR FATHER, WHO IS LOVING,
09:06:09 KIND AND FAITHFUL, WE OFFER OUR THANKS AND GRATITUDE FOR
09:06:13 LIFE AND FOR HEALTH.
09:06:15 WE ARE COMMITTED TO EMBRACING ATTITUDES THAT THANKS TO
09:06:18 YOU THAT EXTEND BEYOND JUST A HOLIDAY IN NOVEMBER.
09:06:21 WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE SPACE TO LEAD
09:06:24 AND IN MOMENTS TO MENTOR.
09:06:26 WE COME TO YOU AT THIS TIME ASKING FOR YOUR BLESSING,
09:06:29 YOUR HOPE AND YOUR HELP AS WE ARE GATHERED TOGETHER.
09:06:33 AS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH, WE ASK FOR
09:06:37 BLESSINGS AND HOPE NOT JUST FOR OUR GATHERING BUT FOR
09:06:39 THOSE WHO HAVE GATHERED.
09:06:40 WE GATHER TO CELEBRATE, TO HONOR, TO COLLABORATE AND
09:06:44 MORE.
09:06:44 THIS BODY OF DECISION MAKERS GATHER, GOD, TO DISCUSS, TO
09:06:48 DELIBERATE, TO LEGISLATE AND LEGALIZE.
09:06:51 I PRAY GOD EVERY DECISION THAT THEY MAKE THAT THEY WILL
09:06:53 REMEMBER IMPACTS OF NAME AND A FAMILY AND A HOME.
09:06:57 FATHER, I PRAY THAT THEY WOULD FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THAT
09:07:00 RESPONSIBILITY WITH EVERY SINGLE DECISION.
09:07:02 I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM THE GRACE TO BE THE
09:07:05 EXAMPLE NOT ONLY IN TITLE BUT IN TRUE AUTHENTIC CREDIBLE
09:07:09 LEADERSHIP.
09:07:10 TO BE THE EXAMPLE AND THE MODEL AND THE PARADIGM EVEN AS
09:07:14 ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI PRAYED THEY WOULD BE A INSTRUMENT
09:07:19 OF YOUR PEACE, WHERE THERE IS HATRED LET THEM SO LOVE,
09:07:21 WHERE THERE IS INJURY, PARDON. WHERE THERE IS DOUBT,
09:07:22 FAITH; AND DESPAIR, HOPE. WHERE THERE IS DARKNESS,
09:07:25 LIGHT; WHERE THERE IS SADNESS, JOY.
09:07:28 O DIVINE MASTER, GRANT THAT WE SEEK NOT TO BE CONSOLED AS
09:07:32 TO CONSOLE, TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS TO UNDERSTAND, TO BE
09:07:35 LOVED AS TO LOVE, FOR IT IS IN GIVING THAT WE RECEIVE, IT
09:07:38 IS IN PARDONING THAT WE ARE PARDONED, IT IS IN DYING THAT
09:07:42 WE ARE BORN TO ETERNAL LIFE.
09:07:44 AS A SOURCE OF WISDOM, WE PRAY FOR GUIDANCE IN THE
09:07:47 MATTERS OF HAND AND ASK THAT YOU WOULD CLEARLY SHOW HOW
09:07:50 TO CONDUCT THE WORK WITH A SPIRIT OF JOY, WITH A SPIRIT
09:07:52 OF ENTHUSIASM.
09:07:54 HELP US, GOD, AS A CITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO ENCOURAGE
09:07:58 EACH OTHER TO EXCELLENCE, AND EVEN AS WE TAKE A MOMENT
09:08:00 THIS MONTH TO HONOR BOTH THE CONTRIBUTION AND SACRIFICE,
09:08:04 THE LEGACY AND THE IMPACT OF BLACK AMERICANS IN THIS
09:08:07 NATION, WE THANK YOU FOR THE LIKES OF FOLKS LIKE DR.
09:08:10 GARRETT G. WOODSON AND GARRETT T. MORGAN AND GRAMBLE T.
09:08:15 WOODS, AND MARY ELLEN PLEASANT, AND ELIZABETH JENNINGS,
09:08:16 AND MILLIONS MORE.
09:08:18 WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHOSE LEGACY HAS GONE ON BEFORE
09:08:22 AND WE THANK YOU THAT BLACK HISTORY IS AMERICAN HISTORY.
09:08:25 FATHER, AS YOU HAVE ENABLED ATHLETES TO BEAR THE NAME OF
09:08:29 TAMPA ON THEIR JERSEYS, TO EXCEL ON THE HOCKEY RING AND
09:08:33 THE BASEBALL DIAMOND AND THE FOOTBALL FIELD, WE ASK THAT
09:08:36 THOSE WHO LEAD AND INFLUENCE OUR CITY WOULD ALSO OPERATE
09:08:38 ON A CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL, GOD, THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IN
09:08:42 OUR HOMES AND BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS AND OUR SCHOOLS
09:08:45 AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
09:08:45 GIVE US THE GRACE TO HELP OUR CITY TO NOT JUST BE A CITY
09:08:48 OF ATHLETIC CHAMPIONS BUT TO BE CHAMPIONS OF POSITIVE
09:08:52 CHANGE, WHERE BUSINESSES IS MORE THAN THEIR BOTTOM LINE,
09:08:54 AND OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS WIN AND PEOPLE AND STUDENTS
09:08:57 AND NOT JUST POLICIES AND POLITICS, WHILE ELECTED
09:09:01 OFFICIAL HAVE A COMPELLING VISION, THEY ARE PEOPLE OF
09:09:03 THEIR WORD, THEY ARE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE NEIGHBORLY.
09:09:06 LET US, GOD, HAVE THE COURAGE TO FILL OUR HEARTS THAT WE
09:09:09 WILL NOT BE SURPRISED OR DISAPPOINTED WHEN THE WORLD IS
09:09:12 CONFUSED IN OUR COMING TOGETHER AND REAL CHANGE IS A
09:09:15 RESULT.
09:09:16 LET US PRESS TOWARD THE GOAL, GOD, TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT
09:09:19 WHAT HONORS YOU.
09:09:20 WE ASK ALL OF THIS IN THE NAME OF YOUR RISEN SAVIOR.
09:09:25 AMEN.
09:09:25 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:09:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:09:42 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:09:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:09:44 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:09:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:09:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:09:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:09:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:09:56 MR. SHELBY.
09:09:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
09:09:58 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:09:59 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:10:02 TODAY IS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2021, AND WE HERE AT OLD
09:10:07 CITY HALL AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD DURING THE
09:10:11 COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY.
09:10:12 THIS MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE IN-PERSON
09:10:16 QUORUM WITH THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL
09:10:18 CHAMBERS.
09:10:19 HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COAST RESTRICTIONS MEMBERS OF
09:10:21 THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY
09:10:24 THROUGH TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA STATUTES
09:10:27 AND RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY, AND THESE
09:10:30 MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY RULES
09:10:32 AND PROCEDURE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION 2020-225, AS AMENDED
09:10:38 BY RESOLUTION 2020-490 AND MAY BE AMENDED BY CITY
09:10:43 COUNCIL.
09:10:43 THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH,
09:10:45 VIEW AND LISTEN TO THIS MEETING ON CABLE TV, SPECTRUM
09:10:48 CHANNEL 640, FRONTIER 15 AND OPT INTERNET AT
09:10:53 TAMPAGOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:10:56 NOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO VIRTUALLY
09:10:59 PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING AS I SAID USING CMT, AND BY
09:11:03 CERTAIN ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF COMMUNICATION WHICH ARE
09:11:06 AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO READ FROM THE CITY COUNCIL'S
09:11:14 WEB PAGE AT TAMPAGOV CITY COUNCIL, ONE WORD, AND THE
09:11:22 INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ON THAT PAGE AND IN THE NOTICE
09:11:24 OF TODAY'S MEETING.
09:11:25 ALL WRITTEN AND VOICE MAIL COMMENTS FOR LEGISLATIVE
09:11:28 MATTERS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO CITY COUNCIL, AND ARE
09:11:32 BEING MADE PART OF THE RECORD, AND THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR
09:11:38 QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE AVAILABLE ALSO ON THE
09:11:41 WEB PAGE, TAMPAGOV/CITYCOUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC CAN FIND
09:11:48 INSTRUCTIONS THERE.
09:11:49 MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.
09:11:51 AND I TURN THE MEETING BACK TO YOU, SIR.
09:11:53 THANK YOU.
09:11:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:11:54 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, THE ADDENDUM
09:11:59 TO THE AGENDA, WITH THE INCLUSION THAT I RECEIVED A MEMO
09:12:02 FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER THAT ITEM NUMBER 25 BE PULLED,
09:12:07 AND THAT WE PLACE IT UNDER STAFF REPORTS, AND STAFF
09:12:11 REPORTS WILL BEGIN AFTER 1:30 TODAY.
09:12:13 ITEM NUMBER 25 IS PULLED BY REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN
09:12:17 DINGFELDER.
09:12:17 MAY I HAVE A MOTION?
09:12:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:12:20 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:12:21 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:12:22 ALL IN FAVOR?
09:12:24 ALL RIGHT.
09:12:24 BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANT TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT
09:12:28 PER MY CALCULATION, WE HAVE HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF
09:12:33 PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:12:34 WE HAVE 26 REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THE GENERAL PORTION.
09:12:38 THEN FOR ITEM 65, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THE STAFF
09:12:42 REPORTS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AFTER THE FACT.
09:12:46 THAT'S ANOTHER HOUR OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:12:47 THEN WE HAVE AN HOUR, AN HOUR OF RECORDED PUBLIC
09:12:50 COMMENTS.
09:12:51 SO FOR THOSE THAT ARE SPEAKING, I SEE SOME DUPLICATE
09:12:54 NAMES HERE.
09:12:55 YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE HOURS AND HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:12:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER.
09:13:06 FOR ONE THING, THE AUDIO FROM CITY COUNCIL IS VERY, VERY
09:13:11 LOW.
09:13:11 I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS FOR YOU, MR. MIRANDA.
09:13:18 MR. SHELBY'S AUDIO WAS GOOD, BUT THE COUNCIL LEVEL IS
09:13:25 VERY LOW.
09:13:26 >> CAN YOU HEAR IT BETTER NOW?
09:13:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:13:31 >> OKAY.
09:13:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND NUMBER 2, AS A POINT OF ORDER, SO
09:13:37 I THINK OUR RULES SPEAK TO 30 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:13:45 I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP, AND I KNOW THE
09:13:48 TIMES ARE DIFFICULT, WITH THE COVID AND EVERYTHING, AND I
09:13:51 AM NOT TRYING TO CUT EVERYBODY OFF TO 30 MINUTES, BUT I
09:13:54 AM JUST THINKING IF WE CAN CUT PUBLIC COMMENT BACK TO
09:13:57 MAYBE 2 MINUTES PER PERSON, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE --
09:14:04 I HAVE A FEELING A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK TO US
09:14:07 ABOUT THE WATER ISSUE WHICH FRANKLY I THINK IF WE VOTED
09:14:14 ON IN ADVANCE, THEN IT WOULD BE A MOOT ISSUE AND MAYBE
09:14:20 MANY OF THEM WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN NEED TO SPEAK
09:14:25 TO US BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND GO
09:14:28 AWAY.
09:14:28 >> I AGREE WITH THAT.
09:14:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO ANYWAY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT ITEM
09:14:33 THAT IS, BUT JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS.
09:14:37 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I ASK ALSO TO CLARIFY?
09:14:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAKE SURE YOU TALK INTO THE
09:14:43 MICROPHONE.
09:14:43 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, WERE YOU DONE?
09:14:47 I GOT -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS MR. SHELBY OR AV PEOPLE,
09:14:52 BUT I GOT AN E-MAIL THIS MORNING FROM A CONSTITUENT WHO
09:14:56 SAID THAT THE ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW ONLY AUDIO,
09:15:00 NOT VIDEO.
09:15:00 IS THAT TRUE?
09:15:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN,
09:15:03 COUNCIL.
09:15:04 THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT -- BY THE WAY, COUNCILMAN,
09:15:07 THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
09:15:08 I DID RESPOND TO THE SENDER AND I DID APPLY ALL.
09:15:11 COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT.
09:15:13 >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE PRECOVID --
09:15:17 >>> NO.
09:15:18 IT'S ALWAYS BEEN --
09:15:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FROM THE BEGINNING OF EVEN GOING
09:15:20 HYBRID, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR TOTALLY VIRTUALLY.
09:15:25 >> NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL.
09:15:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL, GENERAL PUBLIC
09:15:27 COMMENT AT REGULAR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN AUDIO ONLY.
09:15:30 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
09:15:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:15:33 LET'S GO TO ITEM NUMBER 1 THEN FOR THE ATU PRESENTATION
09:15:37 AND COMMENDATION, AND THAT IS COUNCILMEMBER VIERA.
09:15:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE THE ATU PRESIDENT, MR.
09:16:00 SIMON -- THERE HE IS.
09:16:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T SEE HIM ON THE
09:16:11 SCREEN ON YOUR MONITOR.
09:16:13 IS THAT THE LIVE FEED OUT THERE?
09:16:18 THANK YOU.
09:16:19 >> STEPHEN SIMON: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, EVERYONE
09:16:21 WATCHING.
09:16:22 EVERYONE LISTENING IN.
09:16:24 THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE AWARDS FOR THE
09:16:27 ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH PROGRAM.
09:16:30 THE FIRST PERSON THAT WE HAVE UP HERE IS MR. JOSE
09:16:33 VALENTIN.
09:16:35 MR. VALENTIN IS CONSISTENTLY PLEASANT, TACKLING ALL
09:16:38 ASSIGNMENTS WITH DEDICATION AND A SMILE, METICULOUS IN
09:16:42 HIS JOB FUNCTIONS, ALWAYS ENGAGED IN HIS WORK, AND ALWAYS
09:16:45 GOES THE EXTRA MILE WHEN NECESSARY.
09:16:48 JOSE HAS A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL
09:16:50 DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND DEDICATES NUMEROUS OFF-DUTY
09:16:54 HOURS EVERY YEAR AS A KEY PERSON IN THE "PAINT YOUR HEART
09:16:57 OUT" TAMPA.
09:16:59 ADDITIONALLY, OTHER TEAM MEMBERS FIND HIM TO BE
09:17:02 ORGANIZED, EFFICIENT AND A HARD WORKER WITH AN
09:17:04 IMPRESSIONABLE NUMBER OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS WITHIN A DAY'S
09:17:07 WORK.
09:17:08 JOSE IS A GREAT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
09:17:11 NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS DIVISION, AND ATU
09:17:14 LOCAL 1464.
09:17:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME READ A LITTLE BIT FROM THE
09:17:25 INSERT I HAVE.
09:17:26 JOSE RECOGNITION OF THE MONTH, OF THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE
09:17:32 MONTH, FOR EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE OF DUTY AS A SERVICE
09:17:35 CREW LEADER 2 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA NEIGHBORHOOD
09:17:38 COMMUNITY AFFAIRS DIVISION, JOINED THE CITY OF TAMPA IN
09:17:41 SEPTEMBER 1992, DEDICATED TO SERVICE WITH A SMILE, CREATE
09:17:46 IDEAS, AND METICULOUS WORK AND ATTITUDE IN THE DAILY JOB
09:17:51 AND FUNCTION FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, ALWAYS ENGAGED IN HIS
09:17:54 WORK AND GOES THE EXTRA MAIL.
09:17:56 JOSE, YOU ARE AN OUTSTANDING TEAM MEMBER AND COUNTED ON
09:18:01 FOR THE IMAGE YOU REFLECT.
09:18:02 AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
09:18:04 YOU ARE THE CITY'S SECRET WEAPON.
09:18:07 YOU HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON THE SERVICE THE CITY PROVIDES
09:18:09 AND YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE THAT KEEPS THE CITY OF TAMPA
09:18:12 RUNNING.
09:18:15 EMBODIES THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER
09:18:18 SERVICE AND WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE
09:18:20 WORKFORCE.
09:18:21 THIS COMMENDATION ON THE 4th DAY OF FEBRUARY 2021.
09:18:26 THANK YOU.
09:18:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
09:18:33 ANY COUNCILMEN?
09:18:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:18:38 AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, EVERYBODY THAT WORKS FOR THE
09:18:42 CITY OF TAMPA ALL THE WAY FROM THE MAYOR TO ALL THE
09:18:45 DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT BE WASTEWATER, WHETHER IT BE CODE
09:18:48 ENFORCEMENT, WHETHER IT BE POLICE, WE ARE ALL FAMILY.
09:18:54 BECAUSE THIS CITY CANNOT RUN BY JUST ONE PERSON ALONE.
09:18:59 SIR, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION.
09:19:01 I THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU DO.
09:19:03 AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.
09:19:05 >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST WANTED TO SAY, SIR, THANK YOU VERY
09:19:10 MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, ESPECIALLY
09:19:13 NOW DURING COVID WHEN, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF OUR FRONT
09:19:17 LINE WORKERS POTENTIALLY COULD GET AFFECTED BY THAT, AND
09:19:20 WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.
09:19:23 THANK YOU.
09:19:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
09:19:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:19:32 ALL RIGHT.
09:19:33 IS IT ONE OR TWO COMMENDATIONS? ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN
09:19:36 GUDES, GO AHEAD.
09:19:46 CAN YOU HEAR US ALL RIGHT?
09:19:50 MR. SIMON, CAN YOU HEAR US ALL RIGHT?
09:19:54 >> NO, I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
09:19:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?
09:19:59 >> YES.
09:20:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:20:00 >> OKAY.
09:20:02 THE SECOND RECIPIENT IS MR. TRACY EDWARDS.
09:20:06 MR. TRACY EDWARDS IS A SECURITY GUARD IN THE MOBILITY
09:20:09 PARKING DIVISION AND HAS BEEN SELECTED AS AN ATU EMPLOYEE
09:20:13 OF THE MONTH AWARD RECIPIENT BECAUSE OF HIS OUTSTANDING
09:20:16 PERFORMANCE IN HIS SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT AT THE LEE DAVIS
09:20:20 COVID-19 TESTING CENTER.
09:20:22 HE ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER OF COMMENDATION FROM TPD'S
09:20:26 CHIEF DUGAN COMPLIMENTING HIM AND HIS TEAM, DELROY, JOHN,
09:20:30 CHARLES AND TREVOR, FOR THEIR PUNCTUALITY,
09:20:33 PROFESSIONALISM AND WILLINGNESS TO ASSIST ALL PARTIES IN
09:20:36 ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
09:20:38 MR. EDWARDS IS BOTH A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AND A
09:20:41 POSITIVE REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA PARKING
09:20:44 DIVISION AND ATU LOCAL 1464.
09:20:47 THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO TO KEEP THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
09:20:52 UNFORTUNATELY, MR. EDWARD COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY, SO
09:20:56 ON HIS BEHALF, KELLY STEVENS WILL BE ACCEPTING THE
09:21:01 COMMENDATION.
09:21:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO READ IT ANYWAY SO YOU
09:21:06 KNOW WHAT OUR OFFICE THINKS OF MR. TRACY EDWARDS.
09:21:11 IN RECOGNITION OF TRACY EDWARDS, ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE
09:21:15 MONTH FOR EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE FOR THE DUTY OF
09:21:17 SECURITY GUARD WITH THE PARKING DIVISION JOINED THE CITY
09:21:19 OF TAMPA IN 2014, STRONG PUBLIC RELATIONS FIELD, SERVICES
09:21:26 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:21:28 TRACY, YOU ARE AN OUTSTANDING TEAM MEMBER, AND YOU ARE
09:21:34 ONE OF THE CITY'S SECRET WEAPONS AND YOU HAVE A GREAT
09:21:38 IMPACT ON THE SERVICE OF THE CITY.
09:21:39 YOUR EFFORTS AND COMMITMENT TO OUTSTANDING CUSTOMER
09:21:42 SERVICE, AND WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE YOU AS A MEMBER OF OUR
09:21:46 WORKFORCE.
09:21:47 YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE THAT KEEPS THE CITY OF TAMPA RUNNING.
09:21:49 IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL GIVES
09:21:52 YOU THIS COMMENDATION THIS 4th DAY OF FEBRUARY 2021.
09:21:57 AND AGAIN HE WILL BE RECEIVING GIFTS LATER ON.
09:22:02 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
09:22:05 I JUST WANT TO SAY TO TRACY EDWARDS, THANK YOU FOR ALL
09:22:08 YOUR WORK AND YOUR SERVICE ESPECIALLY NOW DURING COVID.
09:22:11 I GOT A TEXT FROM OUR FRIEND MR. VIK BHIDE INDICATING
09:22:14 THAT TRACY WAS GIVEN SUPPORT AND KUDOS FROM THE COUNTY
09:22:18 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM, AND HE IS RIGHT NOW AT LEE
09:22:21 DAVIS WORKING.
09:22:22 SO IT'S FUNNY.
09:22:23 I REMEMBER WHEN DURING ONE OF THE FEW TIMES I WAS TESTED
09:22:28 FOR COVID REMEMBER TALKING TO A NURSE THERE AND TELLING
09:22:30 HER THAT LITTLE DID YOU KNOW IN FEBRUARY OF 2020 THAT YOU
09:22:33 WOULD BE DRAFTED INTO THIS NATIONAL EFFORT WHERE NEARLY
09:22:37 HALF A MILLION AMERICANS WOULD DIE, AND SO WHEN WE LOOK
09:22:41 AT THIS COMMENDATION AND THE WORK THAT TRACY HAS DONE, WE
09:22:44 THINK ABOUT THAT.
09:22:45 SO JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
09:22:47 I KNOW OBVIOUSLY TRACY IS NOT HERE, BUT JUST YOU GET THE
09:22:51 MESSAGE.
09:22:52 THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AS WE ALL APPRECIATE IT.
09:22:54 IT'S A TOUGH TIME AND ALL HANDS ON DECK, AND SOME HANDS
09:22:57 MORE THAN OTHERS.
09:22:58 AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
09:22:59 THANK YOU.
09:22:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:23:00 ANYBODY ELSE?
09:23:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, I WILL BE MORE
09:23:04 THAN HAPPY TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
09:23:07 EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY WHETHER IT BE THE MAYOR
09:23:09 OR WASTEWATER OR TPD OR FIRE OR WATER, WE ARE ALL FAMILY.
09:23:16 AND MR. TRACY EDWARDS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING PART
09:23:20 OF THIS FAMILY, AND HELPING THIS CITY RUN SMOOTHLY.
09:23:24 AND I CONGRATULATE YOU ON ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND YOUR
09:23:26 EFFORTS AND YOUR DEDICATION.
09:23:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:23:31 MR. SIMON AND CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN.
09:23:33 WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
09:23:35 KELLY, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
09:23:37 HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.
09:23:38 THANKS.
09:23:38 >> THANK YOU.
09:23:39 YOU DO THE SAME.
09:23:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2, WE
09:23:43 HAVE SHERRY SILK ON THE LINE.
09:23:46 THE WATER SKI ISSUE IS ITEM 60.
09:23:49 SO IF WE COULD, BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, BY MR. CARLSON,
09:23:56 CORRECT?
09:23:57 ITEM 60?
09:23:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:24:00 ARE YOU GUYS OKAY WITH THAT?
09:24:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO RAISE A CONCERN, COUNCIL,
09:24:04 THAT STATUTES REQUIRE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE FINAL
09:24:09 ACTION ON SOMETHING, THAT YOU GIVE THE PUBLIC AN
09:24:12 OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD BEFORE YOU VOTE.
09:24:16 SO IF YOU WISH TO DO THAT, YOU CAN STATE YOUR INTENTION
09:24:18 OR YOU CAN GO TO THE POINT WHERE YOU VOTE AND NOT TAKE
09:24:21 CARE OF IT UNTIL YOU GET TO IT.
09:24:22 BUT I JUST WANT A REMINDER THAT 286.0114 FLORIDA STATUTES
09:24:29 DOES MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT ON A FINAL ACTION, AND MY
09:24:33 UNDERSTANDING IS THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER WOULD PROBABLY
09:24:35 CONSTITUTE FINAL ACTION.
09:24:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT
09:24:41 REGARDLESS.
09:24:44 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:24:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
09:24:48 I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
09:24:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:24:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK MR. SHELBY ALLUDED TO THE
09:24:53 FACT THAT WE COULD MAKE OUR INTENTIONS LOUD AND CLEAR,
09:24:59 AND THEN WOULDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AS
09:25:08 MUCH COMMENT LATER OR WAIT FOR THAT COMMENT BECAUSE IT
09:25:11 MIGHT BE A LONG WAIT.
09:25:12 IN REGARD TO ITEM 60, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD SUGGEST A
09:25:23 STRAW VOTE WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE BINDING BUT I KNOW I
09:25:26 FOR ONE WILL BE VOTING FOR REMANDING AND ELIMINATING OUR
09:25:33 EARLIER VOTE AND GETTING RID OF THE IDEA OF SKIING ON
09:25:37 GADSDEN LAKE.
09:25:39 WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO JOIN ME WITH THEIR HAND?
09:25:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL JOIN YOU IN SUPPORT.
09:25:43 I SEE MR. CARLSON, VIERA, CITRO, GUDES HAND UP.
09:25:49 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY.
09:25:50 I PUT MY HAND UP. I JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE I AM AN OCD
09:25:55 ATTORNEY.
09:25:56 OBVIOUSLY I WILL HEAR OUT INCLUDING PUBLIC COMMENT BUT
09:26:00 IT'S MY INTENTION RIGHT NOW TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY WHICH I
09:26:02 MAKE IN GOOD FAITH AND IN ALL HONESTY.
09:26:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, WE GIVE STAFF A
09:26:09 CHANCE TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION REGARDING THE ISSUE.
09:26:14 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
09:26:18 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN'T HEAR
09:26:20 YOU VERY WELL.
09:26:21 I'M SORRY.
09:26:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CITY COUNCIL IS ALLUDING TO
09:26:26 UNOFFICIALLY SUPPORT, REMOVING THE WATER SKI SITUATION.
09:26:31 GO AHEAD.
09:26:32 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK COMMENT.
09:26:34 I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
09:26:36 THIS IS ON A CONSENT AGENDA TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO.
09:26:39 I ASSUMED THAT THE PUBLIC HAD BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH, AND
09:26:44 APPARENTLY DID NOT AT ALL OR NOT ENOUGH, AND SO I THINK
09:26:50 THIS VOTE WILL TAKE US BACK TO THE BEGINNING SO THAT IF
09:26:53 THERE IS A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, THERE WOULD
09:26:55 BE SOME KIND OF PUBLIC PROCESS.
09:26:58 AND JUST TO MAKE SPEAK FOR STAFF, ALTHOUGH THEY WILL
09:27:00 PROBABLY SPEAK LATER, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES IN
09:27:02 CITY HALL WHICH I THINK ARE GOOD, A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE,
09:27:05 AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME GAPS IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS AS
09:27:10 PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED OUT.
09:27:11 THERE'S NOT ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD HANDOFF.
09:27:14 AND I THINK THE INTENTION OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TO
09:27:18 ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND WORK WITH THE PUBLIC.
09:27:21 AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING
09:27:24 GOING FORWARD.
09:27:24 I THINK IT'S JUST A PART OF THE CHANGING PROCESSES IN THE
09:27:29 CITY AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ESPECIALLY
09:27:32 IF COVID EVER LIFTS WE WILL BE RUNNING EVERYTHING
09:27:35 SMOOTHLY.
09:27:35 THANK YOU.
09:27:36 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY JUST TO GO ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN
09:27:42 CARLSON SAID IN HIS DEFENSE, AND JUST BE FRANK SOMETIMES
09:27:46 THINGS GET THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOU DON'T LOOK
09:27:48 AT WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND SOMEBODY POINTS SOMETHING OUT
09:27:52 AND I GO, I'LL BE DARNED, LET ME LOOK AT THAT FURTHER.
09:27:55 SO JUST IN DEFENSE OF HIS STATEMENT AND BUILDING UPON
09:27:58 THAT.
09:27:59 SO JUST THANK YOU.
09:28:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:28:00 ITEM NUMBER 2 IS SHERRY SILK FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY.
09:28:04 I KNOW SHE WAS ON THE LINE VIRTUALLY.
09:28:08 SHERRY SILK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK AND
09:28:11 WE CAN BRING HER ON.
09:28:12 >> SHERRY SILK: THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
09:28:18 CAN PEOPLE SEE MY SCREEN?
09:28:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
09:28:20 YES.
09:28:21 >> I JUST WANTED TO SHARE OUR BEAUTIFUL NEW BUILDING,
09:28:27 3607 NORTH ARMENIA AVENUE IN WEST TAMPA, 6,000 SQUARE
09:28:36 FOOT.
09:28:42 I HEAR AN ECHO.
09:28:44 WOULD THAT BE ME OR SOMEBODY ELSE?
09:28:46 CAN YOU GUYS HERE THAT?
09:28:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:28:48 IT IS GONE.
09:28:49 GO AHEAD.
09:28:50 >> WE HAVE 115 FULL TIME PEOPLE AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF
09:28:54 TAMPA AND THE COST OF THE BUILDING WAS 18 MILLION.
09:28:57 SO THIS IS -- THE ARCHITECTURE WAS INSPIRED BY THE FATHER
09:29:05 OF FINE ARCHITECTURE, FOLLOWS FORM AND FUNCTION, CONCRETE
09:29:10 FLOORS, LOTS OF GLASS AND NATURAL LIGHT, THAT THE ANIMALS
09:29:17 AND VOLUNTEERS LOVE.
09:29:18 OUR DESIGNER WAS KEVIN HART.
09:29:23 NEXT SLIDE.
09:29:24 AS YOU WALK IN, THIS IS OUR ADOPTION LOBBY.
09:29:28 WE ARE THRILLED THAT THEY ARE DOING OVER 200 ADOPTIONS A
09:29:33 WEEK.
09:29:34 WE HAVE NEVER DONE SO MANY ADOPTIONS.
09:29:36 LAST YEAR WE DID 10,420 ANIMALS AT A SPAYED RATE OF 93%.
09:29:43 THROUGH THAT ADOPTION LOBBY, YOU SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL
09:29:46 OUTDOOR COURTYARD TO THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN.
09:29:48 THAT SCREENED-IN AREA IS THE CAT AREA, FOR THE CATS TO GO
09:29:54 OUTSIDE AND GET SOME FRESH AIR.
09:29:55 NOT ONLY DO PEOPLE GET TO WAIT FOR THEIR ADOPTIONS WHEN
09:30:01 THEY ADOPT AN ANIMAL ESPECIALLY ON THE WEEKEND BUT WE ARE
09:30:04 ALSO HAVING SOME OUTDOOR SMALL FUNCTIONS, SO IT'S A
09:30:09 BEAUTIFUL WAY TO HAVE PEOPLE VISIT OUR SHELTER, AND THEN
09:30:14 PERHAPS FALL IN LOVE WITH AND ADOPT AN ANIMAL AT THE SAME
09:30:18 TIME IN THE COURTYARD.
09:30:20 THEN IF YOU GO INSIDE, WE HAVE.
09:30:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LARGE DOG PARKS WHICH WE NEVER HAD,
09:30:27 AND AGAIN WHEN PEOPLE COUNCILWOMAN IN, YOU WILL SEE
09:30:38 PEOPLE WEARING MASKS, AND WE HAVE HAND SANITIZERS
09:30:42 THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
09:30:43 >> THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF THE PIT BULL PEEKING OVER THE
09:30:51 CORNER.
09:30:54 AND THEN AT THE LOWER LEVEL WE HAVE OUR INTAKE AND THEN
09:30:56 OUR SURGERY AREA.
09:30:58 WE HAVE A VETERINARIANS WHO WORK AT OUR SHELTER, OTHER
09:31:04 VETERANS WHO WORK AT OUR HOSPITAL DOWN THE STREET, FOUR
09:31:08 SURGERY TABLES, AND DO ALL KIND OF THINGS BESIDES SPAY
09:31:13 AND NEUTER, WHATEVER IT TAKES.
09:31:15 WE HAVE A -- SOMETIMES ANIMALS ARE PRESENTED GIVING BIRTH
09:31:22 OR JUST HAD BIRTH AND YOU CAN'T PUT PUPPIES THIS YOUNG UP
09:31:26 FOR ADOPTION, AND THEY ARE HOUSED AND LOVED UNTIL THEY
09:31:29 CAN BE EIGHT WEEKS OF AGE UNTIL WE CAN ADOPT THEM.
09:31:32 ONE OF THE EXAMPLES.
09:31:33 AND THAT MAMA AND ALL OF HER PUPPIES.
09:31:46 IF YOU HAVE A DOG AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO COME ADOPT HIM,
09:31:51 YOU BRING YOUR PET, ANOTHER WAY TO BRING THE PUBLIC IN TO
09:31:57 ADOPT MORE ANIMALS.
09:31:59 ALL OF OUR CATS, ABOUT HALF OF OUR ANIMALS THAT WE HAVE
09:32:02 ARE CATS.
09:32:03 WE HAVE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
09:32:06 YOU DON'T SEE IN THE THIS PICTURE BUT THERE'S A LITTLE
09:32:08 CAT DOOR FOR THE CATS TO GO OUTSIDE AND ENJOY THE
09:32:13 SUNSHINE AND WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE.
09:32:15 JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE HAD A YOGA EVENT WHERE PEOPLE
09:32:20 CAN COME AND THE CATS WALKED ALL OVER, INCLUDING THE
09:32:25 KITTIES.
09:32:27 AND THEN PLACED ALMOST 200 RABBITS, AND WE ARE THE ONLY
09:32:34 LOCAL SHELTER THAT TAKES THEM.
09:32:39 WE GROW VEGETABLES FOR THEM FOR A HEALTHY DIET AND HAVE
09:32:44 AN EDUCATION PROGRAM.
09:32:49 THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM AND FEED THEM.
09:32:52 BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SPACE IT OPENED A LOT OF
09:32:55 OPPORTUNITIES, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WHERE KIDS CAN COME IN
09:32:57 AND READ TO THE DOGS OR CATS OR BUNNIES.
09:33:00 GIRL SCOUTS.
09:33:00 BROWNIES.
09:33:01 WE HAVE OUR OWN GIRL SCOUT BADGE NOW.
09:33:12 WE MADE GOOD USE OF OUR OUTSIDE PROPERTY.
09:33:15 WE KEPT A BEAUTIFUL TREE, OF COURSE, WITH OUR GAZEBO.
09:33:24 SANTA CLAUS AND EASTER BUNNY.
09:33:27 BEHIND THAT IS CATS THAT MAYBE CAN'T BE PLACED FOR
09:33:31 ADOPTION BUT CAN BE PLACED IN A BARN OR SOMETHING, UNTIL
09:33:40 WE CAN FIND A PLACE FOR THEM.
09:33:42 AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN BIG SUPPORTERS OF
09:33:46 OUR TEEN TEAMS HERE AND I WANT TO SAY "GO BUCS!"
09:33:53 ANY QUESTIONS?
09:33:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I NOTICE YOU MADE THIS MOTION, MR.
09:33:55 CITRO.
09:33:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. SILK, FOR
09:33:59 GIVING THIS PRESENTATION.
09:34:01 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:34:03 >> YES, I CAN.
09:34:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING THIS
09:34:06 PRESENTATION.
09:34:06 PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THE JEWEL THAT WE HAVE IN THE CENTER
09:34:10 OF TAMPA.
09:34:12 THIS IS A WONDERFUL BUILDING.
09:34:14 AND THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING, HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE
09:34:17 YEARS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IS TRULY, TRULY AMAZING.
09:34:21 I HAVE TO SEND OUT KUDOS TO MY GOOD FRIEND MR. BRIAN FRY
09:34:24 FOR TAKING ME ON A TOUR OF THIS, AND IF ANYBODY EVER
09:34:28 WANTS TO SEE GREAT PICTURES OF A HALLOWEEN TREE MUCH LIKE
09:34:33 A CHRISTMAS TREE THAT HE PUT UP, I WILL BE HAPPY TO SHOW
09:34:36 YOU.
09:34:36 BUT MS. SILK, PEOPLE DO NOT REALIZE THE JOB THAT YOU ARE
09:34:39 DOING, THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING, AND THIS NEW
09:34:45 FACILITY, IN MY OPINION, IS JUST A GREAT REWARD FOR WHAT
09:34:48 YOU ALL HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
09:34:50 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU.
09:34:52 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOUR STAFF.
09:34:52 >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
09:34:55 AND PLEASE COME OVER AND I'LL GIVE YOU A TOUR.
09:34:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:35:01 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:35:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HI SHERRY.
09:35:10 NICE TO SEE YOU.
09:35:12 I'M SO EXCITED EVERY DAY WHEN I DRIVE BY THE NEW
09:35:15 FACILITY.
09:35:15 I THINK BACK WHEN I SAT ON YOUR ADVISORY BOARD ABOUT A
09:35:21 DECADE AGO, AND WE WERE PUSHED INTO A LITTLE TRAILER, I
09:35:27 THINK.
09:35:28 >> YES.
09:35:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ANYWAY, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING
09:35:34 JOB OVER THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS, AND I KNOW IT'S ALWAYS A
09:35:39 TEAM EFFORT, BUT SHERRY, YOU ARE THE LEADER.
09:35:43 YOU ARE THE GENERAL OF THAT TEAM, AND WE SO APPRECIATE
09:35:46 YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS, AND ALL OF
09:35:51 THE DONORS OVER THE YEARS.
09:35:54 THE FACT THAT WE CAN KEEP THOSE ANIMALS ALIVE, GIVE THEM
09:36:00 GOOD HOMES, AND TREAT THEM THE WAY THEY DESERVE, IS SO
09:36:05 IMPORTANT.
09:36:05 THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO.
09:36:06 >> THANK YOU.
09:36:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:36:08 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:36:09 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:36:12 AND I WANT TO REITERATE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER BROUGHT UP
09:36:15 THE VOLUNTEERS.
09:36:16 I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SUCH A WONDERFUL ARMY OF
09:36:19 VOLUNTEERS THAT DO SO MUCH HARD WORK, AND SO MANY
09:36:22 DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE ANIMALS THERE, YOU ARE SO
09:36:25 CRITICAL, AS YOU KNOW.
09:36:26 I ALSO WENT ON A TOUR LIKE MR. CITRO SAID WITH BRIAN.
09:36:30 WE BROUGHT ON A FEW PEOPLE INCLUDING OUR WONDERFUL TAX
09:36:35 COLLECTOR NANCY MALON.
09:36:39 I ALSO WANT TO GIVE OUT A SHOUT TO OUR FORMER CHAIR OF
09:36:42 CITY COUNCIL WHO HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT CHAMPION OF YOUR
09:36:45 CENTER AND THAT WOULD BE YOLIE CAPIN WHO WAS ALWAYS A BIG
09:36:50 CHAMPION OF ANIMALS ON CITY COUNCIL.
09:36:52 I HAPPENED TO BE VICE CHAIR AT THE TIME AND I WAS
09:36:55 CHAIRING THE MEETING WHEN WE READ THE ORDINANCE ON THIS
09:36:57 AND WE LET YOLIE READ IT BECAUSE SHE WAS ALWAYS SUCH A
09:37:01 BIG SUPPORTER OF ANIMALS.
09:37:02 I JUST WANT TO GIVE OUR FORMER CHAIRWOMAN A SHOUTOUT.
09:37:06 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU ALL DO.
09:37:08 THANK YOU.
09:37:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:37:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE BRIAN
09:37:14 INVITING ME OVER FOR A GREAT TOUR AND GREAT CONVERSATION,
09:37:20 BUT I THINK YOU MISSED THE PART ABOUT THOSE NICE
09:37:22 FACILITIES TO HAVE A MEETING, A PARTY, THOSE THINGS THAT
09:37:25 THE PUBLIC CAN BE ABLE TO PROBABLY RENT OUT, A CHILDREN'S
09:37:31 PARTY OR SPECIAL MEETING.
09:37:32 I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXTRAORDINARY, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS
09:37:37 GREAT.
09:37:38 >> ABSOLUTELY.
09:37:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:37:41 >> GOOD-BYE EVERYBODY.
09:37:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:37:46 HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.
09:37:47 ALL RIGHT.
09:37:48 NEXT WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:37:51 WE'LL GO TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN PERSON ON THE
09:37:53 SECOND FLOOR FIRST.
09:37:54 IF YOU ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU
09:37:57 WOULD PLEASE COME TO THE KIOSK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
09:38:02 WALL, STATE YOUR NAME, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
09:38:06 SPEAK.
09:38:07 COUNCILMAN VIERA, YES, SIR.
09:38:08 >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE] I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY
09:38:14 SAID IT.
09:38:15 PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS BUT I DON'T CARE.
09:38:17 I JUST WANT TO SAY WELCOME BACK, CHARLIE MIRANDA.
09:38:20 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY SAID IT.
09:38:22 JUST WELCOME BACK CHARLIE.
09:38:23 [ APPLAUSE ]
09:38:26 WE LOVE CHARLIE MIRANDA, THE MAYOR OF WEST TAMPA, AND WE
09:38:29 ARE JUST THRILLED TO HAVE HIM BACK, EVEN THOUGH HE CAN'T
09:38:31 BE HERE WITH US, GIVEN HIS HEALTH.
09:38:34 WE LOVE TO HAVE YOU BACK SO GOD BLESS YOU, CHARLIE.
09:38:38 WELCOME BACK.
09:38:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HE MAY NOT BE HERE IN PERSON BUT HIS
09:38:41 VOICE WILL BE.
09:38:42 THANK YOU, CHARLIE.
09:38:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:38:43 WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:38:45 I THINK THAT'S LUKE REQUIRE ROW.
09:38:48 >> MY NAME IS LUKE LIROT, 2240 BELLEAIR ROAD, CLEARWATER,
09:38:54 FLORIDA, AND HERE TO SPEAK TO ITEM 66 WHICH IS THE LEGAL
09:38:57 DEPARTMENT'S PRESENTATION ON THE NEXT TO LAST ITEM ON THE
09:39:01 AGENDA TODAY, WHICH IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, TO COMMENT
09:39:04 ON WHAT DIRECTION FUTURE PUBLIC HEARINGS PERTAINING TO
09:39:07 THE NOTICES OF INTENT TO SUSPEND THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
09:39:11 LICENSES OF FACILITIES IN HANDLING THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE
09:39:15 ORDER ON THE MASK REQUIREMENT.
09:39:19 I REPRESENT A NUMBER OF CLUBS, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MOST
09:39:22 OF THE ATTORNEYS THAT HANDLE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT
09:39:23 BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THESE NOTICES, AND WE
09:39:26 HAVE SOME VERY GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES
09:39:30 AND FAIRNESS ISSUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
09:39:32 AND WHAT I WANTED TO ARTICULATE TO YOU AND I HOPE YOU
09:39:35 REMEMBER SINCE IT IS THE NEXT TO LAST ITEM --
09:39:38 >>> JUST A MOMENT.
09:39:39 WE HAVE ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS HERE, MS. ZELMAN.
09:39:42 >> I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU.
09:39:47 SHOULD I CONTINUE OR STOP?
09:39:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT JUST A MOMENT.
09:39:49 MS. ZELMAN, IF YOU COULD SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
09:39:52 NO, IT'S NOT ON.
09:39:53 I DON'T SEE THE LIGHT.
09:39:54 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I JUST WANT TO CAUTION MR. LIROT AND
09:40:04 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
09:40:05 THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION OF THE PROCEDURAL
09:40:08 PROCESS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE HEARINGS IN FRONT
09:40:11 OF CITY COUNCIL, BUT THOSE HEARINGS ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
09:40:18 BASICALLY THE COUNCIL WILL BE ASKED WHETHER THEY WANT TO
09:40:20 SUSPEND OR REVOKE AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT.
09:40:23 IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR MR. LIROT OR THE COUNCIL AT
09:40:26 THIS TIME TO DISCUSS ANY OF THE SPECIFICS OF ANY OF THE
09:40:30 PARTICULAR CASES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE
09:40:33 COUNCIL IN THAT CAPACITY.
09:40:36 SO I JUST WANTED TO CAUTION HIM AND COUNCIL AS WELL NOT
09:40:39 TO DISCUSS THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE CASES IN HIS COMMENTS.
09:40:43 THANK YOU.
09:40:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID YOU GET THAT, MR. LIROT?
09:40:47 >> I DID INDEED AND I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO ANY
09:40:50 SPECIFICS, JUST SPEAK TO THE JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES AND
09:40:53 THE CODE ISSUES THAT ARE PRESENTED BY THEM.
09:40:55 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT THESE
09:40:59 CITATIONS ARE ISSUED EITHER BY THE POLICE OR CODE
09:41:03 ENFORCEMENT, AND ACCORDING TO THE CITY CODE, THOSE GET
09:41:05 REFERRED TO THE COUNTY COURT.
09:41:07 FOR ALL OF THE CITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED, THE
09:41:10 REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE, AND I BELIEVE WORKING WITH THE
09:41:12 CITY, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND FILED WITH THE CLERK
09:41:15 OF THE COUNTY COURT, AND THOSE ARE ALL SET FOR HEARING.
09:41:18 NOW, THE BIG PROBLEM IS THAT THE ISSUES THAT ARE TO BE
09:41:23 PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AT THE HEARING, I THINK THE FIRST
09:41:25 ONE IS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 18th, ARE ALL BASED
09:41:28 OTHER EXACT SAME CITATION SO YOU HAVE SORT OF A DOUBLE
09:41:31 LAYER OF THE SAME CITATION THAT WILL BE --
09:41:35 >>ANDREA ZELMAN:
09:41:38 >>GINA GRIMES: EXCUSE ME.
09:41:39 THIS IS GINA GRIMES, CITY ATTORNEY.
09:41:42 MR. LIROT IS SPEAKING TO THE SPECIFIC LEGAL ISSUES AND
09:41:46 DUE PROCESS ISSUES RELATED TO THE CITATIONS THAT HAVE
09:41:48 BEEN ISSUED.
09:41:49 SO YOU HAVE NOT ONLY THE QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER PENDING IN
09:41:52 FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL FOR SUSPENSION OF THE AB, BUT YOU
09:41:57 ALSO HAVE CIVIL CITATION CASES THAT ARE PENDING IN FRONT
09:42:01 OF THE COUNTY COURT RIGHT NOW.
09:42:03 AND IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS THESE MATTERS THAT
09:42:06 ARE EITHER QUASI-JUDICIAL OR CURRENTLY IN LITIGATION.
09:42:10 IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF FUTURE AB HEARINGS
09:42:15 AND HOW THEY ARE CONDUCTED, THEN HE MAY DO SO.
09:42:20 THAT'S THE AGENDA ITEM FOR TODAY.
09:42:22 BUT TO DISCUSS THESE SPECIFIC CASES IS JUST NOT
09:42:24 APPROPRIATE.
09:42:25 >> I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC CASE.
09:42:31 I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE CODE SECTIONS AT ISSUE AND GENERAL
09:42:34 CONCERNS THAT APPLY TO EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT'S BEEN
09:42:36 INTENDED TO BE CONDUCTED AT THE HEARING ON FEBRUARY 8.
09:42:39 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SPECIFIC PERSON.
09:42:41 IT'S CONCERNS THAT MY CLIENTS AND ALL THE ATTORNEYS HAVE
09:42:44 WITH THE WAY THAT THESE PROCESSES HAVE BEEN UNLEASHED,
09:42:47 AND THE FACT THAT THE SAME EXACT CITATION TO BE HEARD IN
09:42:51 COURT IS GOING TO BE HEARD BY THE COUNCIL BEFORE THERE'S
09:42:53 BEEN ANY JUDICIAL DETERMINATION OF GUILT OR INNOCENCE OR
09:42:56 ANY OTHER ASPECT OF THE HEARING.
09:42:58 AND WE THINK THAT'S IMPROPER.
09:43:01 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT'S INCORRECT AND YOU ARE NOW TALKING
09:43:02 ABOUT THE VERY ISSUES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING
09:43:05 IN A COUPLE WEEKS AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC
09:43:07 CASES, MR. LIROT AND THAT'S NOT EVEN THE TOPIC OF TODAY'S
09:43:12 AGENDA ITEM.
09:43:13 IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CODE SECTION, THE AB SUSPENSION
09:43:17 PROCESS.
09:43:21 AND THE FACT OF THE CASE.
09:43:22 >> I AM NOT GETTING INTO THE FACTS OF ANY CASE.
09:43:25 I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CITY CODE THAT REQUIRES THESE
09:43:28 CITATIONS TO BE HEARD BY THE COUNTY COURT AND NOT BY THE
09:43:31 CITY COUNCIL.
09:43:32 AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ENTERTAIN ANY OF THESE
09:43:34 HEARINGS ON ANY CASE, REGARDLESS OF THE FACTS, BEFORE
09:43:38 THERE'S BEEN A JUDICIAL DETERMINATION, IS A
09:43:41 JURISDICTIONAL PROBLEM.
09:43:42 AND I AM NOT TRYING TO BE ANTAGONISTIC OR UNCOOPERATIVE
09:43:46 BUT THIS IS DOUBLE DIPPING.
09:43:47 THIS IS SOMETHING IMPOSED ONLY ON BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
09:43:51 WET ZONING.
09:43:51 WET ZONING IS AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OF ANY BUSINESS,
09:43:54 AFFECTS NOT ONLY THE BUSINESS OWNER BUT THE LANDLORD, THE
09:43:57 LENDER AND EVERYBODY.
09:43:58 FOR THIS TO GO FORWARD ON THE SAME CITATION BEFORE IT'S
09:44:03 HEARD BY THE COURT IS CLEARLY AN ISSUE.
09:44:07 IT'S A DUE PROCESS ISSUE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AND
09:44:10 CANDIDLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST IS THAT THE
09:44:13 COUNCIL BEFORE THEY TAKE ANY ACTION ON ANY OF THESE
09:44:15 CITATIONS GIVE THESE CITATIONS A CHANCE TO BE HEARD IN
09:44:19 COURT SO THAT THERE IS SOME REFLECTION OF A FINDING OF A
09:44:23 VIOLATION.
09:44:23 THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT REQUIRES EITHER A
09:44:26 CONVICTION OR A FINDING OF A VIOLATION.
09:44:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:44:30 MS. ZELMAN, AND I SEE DINGFELDER HAS HIS HAND UP.
09:44:33 MS. ZELMAN, YES, MA'AM.
09:44:34 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TO WHETHER A COURT HAS JURISDICTION
09:44:40 OVER A MATTER IS MADE BEFORE THAT COURT AT THE HEARING
09:44:45 FOR THAT MATTER.
09:44:46 HE'S TRYING TO ARGUE TO THE COURT THAT WILL HEAR THE AB
09:44:50 SUSPENSION AND REVOCATION IN ADVANCE.
09:44:54 THAT'S JUST INAPPROPRIATE.
09:44:55 SO AGAIN HE'S ARGUING AN ASPECT OF HIS CASE THAT WILL
09:44:59 COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL TODAY, AND THAT'S JUST
09:45:02 INAPPROPRIATE.
09:45:03 HIS PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE AGENDA
09:45:06 ITEM, AS MS. GRIMES SAID, WHICH IS SIMPLY FOR YOU AND SHE
09:45:12 TO DISCUSS HOW THESE HEARINGS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED IN THE
09:45:15 FUTURE.
09:45:16 WHETHER IT SHOULD BE BY SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR CITY
09:45:19 COUNCIL, THAT WAS THE ISSUE ON THE AGENDA.
09:45:21 HE'S GOING WAY BEYOND THAT.
09:45:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:45:24 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:45:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:45:27 AND CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
09:45:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:45:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. LIROT.
09:45:34 I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY OF THESE ISSUES, BUT I DO
09:45:38 WANT TO, LUKE LIROT, WHEN YOU GET TO THIS ITEM, THAT I
09:45:45 WILL MAKE A MOTION OR A PLEASANT REQUEST OF THE LEGAL
09:45:53 DEPARTMENT THAT THEY GIVE US A MEMO ON JURISDICTION
09:45:59 BEFORE WE HEAR ANY OF THESE FUTURE CASES.
09:46:04 SO I HEAR YOUR CONCERNS.
09:46:05 WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THEM RIGHT NOW.
09:46:09 BUT WHEN THE ISSUE COMES UP LATER TODAY, I WILL ASK OUR
09:46:14 LEGAL STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A MEMO ON JURISDICTION
09:46:17 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ON GOOD JURISDICTIONAL GROUNDS.
09:46:19 BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT COULD BE A WASTE OF TIME IF WE ARE
09:46:24 NOT.
09:46:24 SO I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE, MR. LIROT.
09:46:29 I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN.
09:46:35 >> AND IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED IF I WOULD HAVE THE
09:46:37 OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU OFFLINE BEFORE YOU
09:46:40 MAKE YOUR DECISION.
09:46:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT MAKING ANY DECISION BUT YES,
09:46:47 WE CAN SPEAK OFFLINE ABOUT IT.
09:46:51 >> YOUR MOTION.
09:46:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, COUNCIL, PER YOUR
09:46:55 RULES, YOU SHOULD AVOID ANY DISCUSSION AT A PUBLIC
09:46:58 MEETING WHERE THE CITY IS OR LIKELY TO BE A PARTY TO
09:47:01 LITIGATION WITHOUT CONCURRENCE OF COUNSEL, JUST A
09:47:05 REMINDER.
09:47:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:47:06 NEXT SPEAKER.
09:47:07 >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE.
09:47:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:47:10 HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.
09:47:10 >> MY NAME IS JULIO GONZALEZ BULATERI.
09:47:49 YOU SHOULD KNOW WHO I AM BY NOW.
09:47:51 I AM HERE TO ADDRESS THE RED ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
09:47:53 THERE WAS A MEMORANDUM SENT OUT BY COUNCILMAN JOSEPH
09:47:56 CITRO'S OFFICE STATING HIS INTENT TO WITHDRAW HIS SUPPORT
09:48:00 FOR THE RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOLUTION.
09:48:03 IF THIS IS TRUE, I CANNOT BEGIN TO EXPRESS MY LEVEL OF
09:48:06 DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THIS MAN.
09:48:08 YOU ALL KNOW BY NOW WHY I AM HERE, AND I AM HERE TO
09:48:11 ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF FRONT LINE COMMUNITIES, THAT IS LOW
09:48:14 TO MIDDLE INCOME COMMUNITIES USUALLY OF AFRICAN AND LATIN
09:48:19 ETHNICITY THAT ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY CLIMATE
09:48:24 CHANGE AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CAPACITY.
09:48:26 THIS READY FOR 100 RESOLUTION WOULD BOLSTER OUR LOCAL
09:48:30 ECONOMY BY CREATING HUNDREDS OF WELL PAYING JOBS WITHIN
09:48:33 THE RENEWABLE ENERGY SECTOR WHILE MITIGATING THOSE
09:48:36 CATASTROPHES.
09:48:38 COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I HOW THIS GOES
09:48:41 HAND IN HAND WITH YOUR APPRENTICESHIP.
09:48:44 THIS WILL CREATE HUNDREDS OF JOBS, UNIONIZED JOBS,
09:48:47 WELL-PAYING JOBS.
09:48:49 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU.
09:48:51 I KNOW THAT YOUR DISTRICT DAVIS ISLAND, BAY TO BAY,
09:48:55 UNLESS YOU WANT TO SEE PEOPLE KAYAKING UP AND DOWN THAT,
09:48:59 NOW WHAT I MEAN?
09:48:59 YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
09:49:01 COUNCILMAN GUDES, DISTRICT 5, YOUR COMMUNITIES ARE THE
09:49:06 MOST IMPACTED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.
09:49:08 THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE FRONT LINE COMMUNITIES IN THE
09:49:10 CITY ARE LOCATED.
09:49:13 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU CLAIM TO BE THE MOST
09:49:16 PROGRESSIVE MEMBER OF THIS COUNCIL.
09:49:18 WE NEED YOU NOW, MAN.
09:49:20 SO THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY IS TERRIFIED.
09:49:24 EVERY DAY THEY GET CLOSER TO IRRELEVANCE.
09:49:27 IF MAYOR CASTOR IS UNWILLING, I'M URGING THIS COUNCIL
09:49:30 TODAY TO DO THE JOBS YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO, THAT WE
09:49:34 ELECTED YOU TO DO, AND PUSH BACK AGAINST THE PAREN EMGSS
09:49:37 FROM TALLAHASSEE.
09:49:39 STATE LEGISLATURES -- LEGISLATORS, SORRY, FROM THE
09:49:43 PANHANDLE SHOULD NOT BE INDICATING HOW WE LIVE OUR LIVES
09:49:46 HERE IN THE BAY.
09:49:48 NOW IS THE TIME FOR CITY COUNCIL TO PUT YOUR LEADERSHIP
09:49:51 ON DISPLAY AND STAND FOR TAMPANIANS FOR HOME RULE AND
09:50:00 SOVEREIGNTY.
09:50:01 PLEASE STAND AGAINST THE AUTOCRACY BY GOVERNOR DESANTIS.
09:50:09 I HAVE TO GO TO PHILOSOPHY CLASS.
09:50:11 PEACE.
09:50:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:50:14 NEXT SPEAKER.
09:50:41 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:50:42 >> MY NAME IS -- AND I AM HERE WITH MY WIFE SARAH.
09:50:51 WE ARE SPEAKING TO ITEM NUMBER 7, AND I APPRECIATE THE
09:50:52 CONSIDERATION. I'M SORRY?
09:50:53 ITEM NUMBER 60.
09:50:55 AND I APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION GIVEN EARLIER, AND I
09:50:57 APPRECIATE THE STRAW MAN VOTE TAKEN EARLIER BUT WE STILL
09:51:01 WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MY OPPOSITION
09:51:04 OR OUR OPPOSITION FOR USE OF GADSDEN LAKE BY THE TAMPA
09:51:09 BAY SKI TEAM.
09:51:13 I THINK IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE
09:51:15 HAVE PARKS AND PURPOSE AND I RESEARCHED THAT.
09:51:18 I FOUND THESE COMMON THEMES.
09:51:19 ONE, A PLACE TO IMPROVE AIR AND WATER QUALITY.
09:51:23 A PLACE TO IMPROVE MENTAL HEALTH THROUGH REDUCTION OF
09:51:27 STRESS BY CONNECTION TO NATURE.
09:51:29 INCREASING ENVIRONMENTAL WELL-BEING AND PROTECTING
09:51:32 NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS.
09:51:34 AND FINALLY, AREA BEAUTIFICATION.
09:51:37 A DESIRE TO MAKE NEIGHBORHOODS MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR
09:51:40 LIVING.
09:51:40 AND WHILE I CANNOT FIND THE STATED PURPOSE FOR TAMPA
09:51:43 PARKS, THE DESCRIPTION ON THE HILLSBOROUGH PARK WEBSITE
09:51:47 INDICATES, AND I QUOTE, THERE ARE PLACES TO ESCAPE THE
09:51:52 CITY CROWDS, AND THEY DESCRIBE ACTIVITIES OCCURRING
09:51:55 WITHIN THE PARKS AS CANOEING ALONGSIDE WILDLIFE, HIKING,
09:52:01 AND NEIGHBORHOOD STROLLING.
09:52:03 AND I WOULD ASK HOW IS HOUSING THE TAMPA BAY SKI TEAM AT
09:52:08 GADSDEN PARK CONSISTENT WITH ANY OF WHAT I JUST
09:52:10 MENTIONED?
09:52:11 AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT IS NOT CONSISTENT, AND IN THE
09:52:15 FACE OF INCREASING URBAN SPRAWL AND LESS NATURAL HABITAT
09:52:19 IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO INTRODUCE THEME
09:52:22 PARKS STYLE ATTRACTIONS LIKE A SKI TEAM TO WHAT IS
09:52:26 BECOMING AN INCREASINGLY RARE VENUE THAT ALLOWS US TO
09:52:30 ESCAPE THOSE VERY THINGS THAT THIS ATTRACTION CREATES,
09:52:33 ALLOWING USE OF THE PARK BY THE SKI TEAM WOULD SEEM
09:52:37 FUNDAMENTALLY COUNTER TO THE PURPOSE OF PARKS, AND ALSO
09:52:41 COUNTER TO TAMPA'S DESCRIPTION OF ITS OWN PARKS.
09:52:45 MORE SPECIFICALLY, THIS RESIDENTIAL PARK AND ITS LOCATION
09:52:48 OF THE LAKE IS JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO THIS TYPE OF
09:52:51 ACTIVITY LOCATED AT THE END OF A FEW DEAD-END STREETS.
09:52:55 I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS WOULD BE MISPLACED
09:52:57 ECONOMICALLY, IF LOOKING TO MARRY TOURISTS OR CITY
09:53:02 ATTRACTION WAS COMMERCIAL VENUES SUCH AS RESTAURANTS AND
09:53:04 STORES.
09:53:05 ADDITIONALLY, AND THIS COUPLE WHO RECENTLY PURCHASED A
09:53:10 HOME IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE LAKE, I WOULD BE
09:53:13 CONCERNED ABOUT THE EFFECT THAT THIS WOULD HAVE ON
09:53:15 PROPERTY VALUE.
09:53:16 AND I AM CONCERNED WITH THE INCREASE IN NOISE AND TRAFFIC
09:53:20 AND TRASH AND ALL OF WHICH MAKES THE PARK AND THUS THE
09:53:24 NEIGHBORHOOD LESS DESIRABLE AND IS COUNTER TO THE PARK'S
09:53:28 FUNDAMENTAL PURPOSE.
09:53:29 I AM NOT ALONE IN THESE CONCERNS.
09:53:30 EVERY RESIDENT I TALKED TO ON THE STREET, EVERY PATRON
09:53:34 THAT I TALKED TO WITHIN THE PARK EXPRESSED DISAPPROVAL
09:53:36 AND I THINK THAT'S REFLECTED TO THE HUNDREDS OF
09:53:39 SIGNATURES ON THE VARIOUS PETITIONS PERTAINING TO THIS
09:53:43 ACTION.
09:53:43 SO I THANK YOU.
09:53:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:46 >> FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
09:53:47 AND JUST ASK YOU TO ADHERE TO THE SPIRIT OF WHY --
09:53:51 >>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:52 >> WHY WE MAINTAIN PARKS AND TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION
09:53:55 TODAY.
09:53:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:56 THANK YOU.
09:53:56 ALL RIGHT.
09:53:57 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:54:24 GO AHEAD.
09:54:24 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:54:25 >> MY NAME IS NANCY STEVENS.
09:54:27 I'M WITH THE TAMPA BAY SIERRA CLUB.
09:54:29 I'M COMMENTING ON ITEM 59 PROJECT.
09:54:32 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE
09:54:34 INCREMENTAL APPROACH TO THE FUNDING OF PURE.
09:54:37 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY WHAT WE CONSIDER INCREMENTAL.
09:54:40 WHAT I MEAN IS METICULOUS APPROACH WITH LOTS OF UPSIDE
09:54:46 ANALYSIS AND DESIGN AND PUBLIC INPUT, UNDERSTAND THE
09:54:49 BENEFITS, THE RISKS AND THE COSTS OF PROJECTS OF SUCH
09:54:53 MAGNITUDE.
09:54:54 BEFORE, ALL THIS HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE LARGE ABILITIES OF
09:54:57 MONEY ARE COMMITTED FOR THE PROJECT.
09:55:00 I'M AFRAID THAT THE CITY MAY BE UNDERESTIMATING THE LEVEL
09:55:03 OF CONCERN THAT THE PUBLIC HAS FOR THIS PROJECT.
09:55:06 AND THE NEED THAT THE PUBLIC HAS FOR HONEST, TRUTHFUL AND
09:55:11 COMPLETE INFORMATION BEFORE UNDERTAKING, AND THE PUBLIC
09:55:15 HAS A RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED.
09:55:17 IN A REPORT THAT WAS PUBLISHED LAST FALL, THERE WERE
09:55:21 CONTAMINANTS IDENTIFIED IN THE DRINKING WATER THAT WERE
09:55:24 NOT ADDRESSED IN THE REPORT.
09:55:29 AND CERTAINLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN TO GET RID OF
09:55:34 THOSE CONTAMINANTS.
09:55:36 THE PUBLIC IS REQUESTING THAT A FULL ANALYSIS OF THE STAR
09:55:40 RECLAIMED WATER SYSTEM BE DONE BEFORE WE ARE FORCED TO
09:55:43 DRINK THE RECLAIMED WATER THAT'S NOT SAFE TO WATER OUR
09:55:47 VEGETABLES.
09:55:49 WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME ANOTHER FLINT, MICHIGAN,
09:55:52 POISONING OUR CHILDREN WHO CANNOT AFFORD THEIR OWN
09:55:55 PRIVATE WATER FILTER.
09:55:56 WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY THE AQUIFER.
09:55:59 WE NEED TO BE GUARANTEED THAT THE WATER IS SAFE BEFORE
09:56:03 ANY FUND ARE COMMITTED.
09:56:06 WE HAVE BEEN AND WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO
09:56:08 RAISE THESE CONCERNS IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY.
09:56:11 THAT'S WHY WE ARE REQUESTING OUTSIDE SCIENTIFIC REVIEW BY
09:56:14 INDEPENDENT EXPERTS ON POTABLE WATER AND GROUNDWATER
09:56:18 HYDROLOGY.
09:56:20 WE ARE PREPARING MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS SO THAT THE CITY
09:56:23 UNDERSTANDS OUR CONCERNS MORE SPECIFICALLY.
09:56:26 WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING ADDRESS THE SCIENTIFIC CONCERNS
09:56:31 THAT WILL BE RAISED WITH THESE STUDIES.
09:56:33 THE PUBLIC HAS TO BE MADE AWARE OF ALL THESE FINDINGS AND
09:56:36 GET A CHANCE TO BE UNDERSTAND THEM, ASK QUESTIONS, AND BE
09:56:39 CONVINCED THAT IT'S A SAFE SOLUTION.
09:56:42 IT'S NOT AN EASY OH ARE SHORT PROJECT.
09:56:45 SAFETY IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT IN A PROJECT OF SUCH
09:56:48 MAGNITUDE.
09:56:48 TO MAKE IT SAFE, THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE.
09:56:51 WE ARE PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE CITY IN DOING SUCH WORK,
09:56:55 AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL, CITY COUNCIL, FOR ALL YOU
09:56:58 HAVE BEEN DOING AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT
09:57:00 TAMPA HAS SAFE DRINKING WATER FOR EVERYONE.
09:57:03 THANK YOU.
09:57:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:57:06 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:57:06 >> PHIL COMPTON, SIERRA CLUB, ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC.
09:57:38 A MONTH AGO DEMOCRACY WAS UNDER ATTACK AS A HUGE MOB
09:57:41 STORMED THE U.S. CAPITOL DRIVEN BY THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE
09:57:44 LIES.
09:57:46 HOPEFULLY OUR DEMOCRACY SURVIVES.
09:57:48 IN THE PAST WEEK WHO ALSO BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE,
09:57:52 ASKING YOU TO NOT TO PASS A RESOLUTION ON CLIMATE BECAUSE
09:57:55 IT WILL MEAN THEIR CARS TANK WITH GAS OR COOK ON THEIR
09:58:01 STOVE, AND A STATE SENATOR CLAIMS PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO
09:58:06 GET GAS BECAUSE THERE WON'T BE GAS STATIONS HERE THANKS
09:58:10 TO THE ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL.
09:58:11 NOW THESE CLAIMS ARE ABSURD YET THESE ARE NOW DRIVING
09:58:14 LEGISLATION IN TALLAHASSEE THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY ALL
09:58:17 AUTHORITY IN THIS AND EVERY OTHER FLORIDA CITY TO TAKE
09:58:20 ANY ACTION RELATED TO ENERGY.
09:58:22 IT WOULD ERASE THE PROGRESS MADE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS
09:58:24 BY OUR NEIGHBORS IN ORLANDO, GAINESVILLE, TALLAHASSEE,
09:58:27 SARASOTA, BREVARD COUNTY, AND FOUR CITIES IN PINELLAS
09:58:31 COUNTY, AND HERE WHERE IT'S NOW PROPOSED YOU WITHDRAW A
09:58:34 RESOLUTION TO MOVE OUR CITY TO THE SAME PATH FORWARD.
09:58:37 WHO IS BEHIND THIS NONSENSE?
09:58:39 IT'S ALL PLANS OF THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE WHO
09:58:42 PAID YOU A VISIT LAST WEEK, THE GUYS WHO A DECADE AGO
09:58:45 WERE EAGER TO DRILL FOR OIL OFF TAMPA BAY BEACHES AND PUT
09:58:49 AT RISK OUR $7 BILLION TOURIST INDUSTRY.
09:58:53 WITH GM AND OTHERS PHASING OUT THE INTERNAL COMBUSTION
09:58:58 ENGINES I DON'T ABRAHAM THEM BEING DESPERATE ENOUGH TO
09:59:02 TELL SUCH BIG LIES. AFTER ALL, THERE ALWAYS IS SOMEONE
09:59:03 WHO WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING.
09:59:04 THREE MONTHS AGO YOU ASKED TAMPA BAY CLIMATE ALLIANCE TO
09:59:07 TALK TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND HEAR THEIR CONCERNS.
09:59:08 IN GOOD FAITH, WE DID THAT.
09:59:11 A CONSIDERATION OF THOSE CONCERNS WHICH AFTER THREE
09:59:12 MONTHS OF DIALOGUE WERE YET TO BE EXPRESSED AS SUGGESTED
09:59:16 REVISIONS WAS TERMINATED BEFORE REVISED LANGUAGE WOULD
09:59:19 COULD BE DEVELOPED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
09:59:20 WE WERE READY TO CONSIDER THOSE SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE NEVER
09:59:23 GOT THE CHANCE.
09:59:24 INSTEAD OIL AND GAS TOOK THE PREEMPTION ROUTE.
09:59:27 SO WHAT DO YOU DO NOW?
09:59:30 IF DEVELOPING POLICY IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW AS COUNCIL,
09:59:33 TAMPA SIERRA CLUB ASKS YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STRONG
09:59:36 POSITION ACTION ON CLIMATE TO CONTINUE WORK ON A
09:59:38 RESOLUTION TO PERFORM THE CLIMATE ACTION AND EQUITY PLAN.
09:59:42 AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE PREMATURE END OF ENGAGEMENT CLUB
09:59:46 SIERRA CLUB SUGGESTIONS IT IS NOT READY FOR ANY ACTION
09:59:49 TODAY, WITHDRAWAL OR APPROVAL.
09:59:51 WE ASK THAT YOU ACT TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AS RESIDENTS
09:59:53 AND VISITORS FROM THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE TO BUILD A
09:59:56 CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY WE NEED TO PUT PEOPLE BACK TO WORK
09:59:59 AND ASK THAT YOU WORK WITH ALL FLORIDIANS ON THIS CITY'S
10:00:03 LAWFUL AUTHORITY WITH THE ELEVEN FLORIDA CITIES ALREADY
10:00:05 WORKING FOR THEIR CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE AND ALL THOSE
10:00:07 CONSIDERING SUCH ACTION TO OPPOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S
10:00:11 POWER.
10:00:11 DON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY THE BULLIES OF THE OIL AND GAS
10:00:14 INDUSTRY.
10:00:14 STAND UP TO THEM.
10:00:15 MOVE FORWARD DO. YOUR PART TO CREATE TAMPA'S FUTURE AND
10:00:18 STAND UP FOR THE RIGHTS OF ALL CITY AND COUNTY
10:00:19 GOVERNMENTS TO DO THE SAME.
10:00:21 THANK YOU.
10:00:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:00:49 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE
10:00:51 MINUTES.
10:00:51 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:00:55 MY NAME IS RUSS CONN.
10:00:58 I'M THE CHAIR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DEMOCRATIC
10:01:01 ENVIRONMENTAL CAUCUS.
10:01:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC
10:01:05 COMMENT TODAY.
10:01:07 I AM ALSO -- I AM SPEAKING IN THAT CAPACITY AS THE CHAIR
10:01:11 OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DEMOCRATIC ENVIRONMENTAL
10:01:13 CAUCUS.
10:01:14 I AM ALSO AN OFFICER IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF
10:01:16 HILLSBOROUGH, AND I CAN TELL YOU IN UNEQUIVOCAL TERMS
10:01:20 THAT THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR CLIMATE ACTION, FOR ACTION
10:01:25 ON CLEAN ENERGY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:01:27 AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
10:01:31 THE VOTERS ELECTED YOU TO REPRESENT TAMPANIANS INTEREST,
10:01:36 NOT TALLAHASSEE'S OR BIG OIL.
10:01:38 MANY OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED BOTH PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY
10:01:41 THAT YOU WANTED TO TAKE ACTIONS OF CONSEQUENCE AND MAKE
10:01:44 BOLD POLICY.
10:01:46 ON NOVEMBER 5th WE HAD OVER AN HOUR OF PUBLIC COMMENT
10:01:50 THAT WAS NOT HEARD, AND THIS RESOLUTION FOR CLEAN ENERGY
10:01:54 WAS DELAYED FOR US TO GET MORE STAKEHOLDER INPUT.
10:01:58 WE DID SO IN GOOD FAITH TO COME UP WITH ADJUSTMENTS AND
10:02:01 ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS.
10:02:04 DO NOT SHORT CIRCUIT THE GOOD WORK DONE SO FAR BY
10:02:07 SHUTTING DOWN PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.
10:02:10 THE ACTIONS YOU TAKE TODAY AND THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WILL
10:02:13 CEMENT THE VIEW OF BOTH THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF
10:02:17 THIS COUNCIL ON YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES AND LEGACY.
10:02:24 RIGHT NOW, HOME RULE IS AT STAKE, AND I HOPE YOU CAN BE
10:02:27 THE LEADERS THAT WE ELECTED YOU TO BE TO FIGHT FOR THE
10:02:31 RESIDENTS, VISITORS AND BUSINESSES TO MAKE TAMPA THE
10:02:35 CLEAN ENERGY CAPITAL OF FLORIDA.
10:02:40 WE WANT TO BE YOUR ALLIES.
10:02:42 WE WANT TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT YOU, GIVE YOU
10:02:45 AS MUCH COVER AND ASSIST YOU WITH ASSURING GOOD POLICY IS
10:02:49 DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED AND PUT INTO GOOD PRACTICE.
10:02:54 THE OTHER RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE
10:02:56 PUBLIC KNOWS THE WORK YOU DO, AND WE INTEND TO MAKE SURE
10:03:00 THAT OF THAT AS WELL.
10:03:04 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.
10:03:05 I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THIS CLEAN ENERGY
10:03:09 RESOLUTION, AND MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS IN A PROGRESSIVE,
10:03:15 BOLD POLICY.
10:03:16 THANK YOU.
10:03:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:03:18 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:03:38 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE
10:03:40 MINUTES.
10:03:40 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:03:42 CONNIE BURTON.
10:03:44 FIRST I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO COMMEND AND CELEBRATE WITH
10:03:48 THE HUMAN SOCIETY FOR OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENT.
10:03:54 I CAN ONLY WELCOME THAT OUR COMMUNITY, EAST TAMPA, WILL
10:04:01 BE SEE WONDERFUL STABILIZATION AS WELL, AND IN ACCORDANCE
10:04:07 TO THE LAST SPEAKER, I CAN ONLY THINK OF HOW FRONT LINE
10:04:11 COMMUNITIES WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ON
10:04:14 THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.
10:04:17 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY, I'M ALWAYS ABOUT CLEAN
10:04:21 ENERGY JOBS.
10:04:22 WE HEAR THAT ECHOING OUT OF THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, AND
10:04:26 WE WANT TO SEE THE REAL IMPLEMENTATION THAT WOULD REDUCE
10:04:32 SERIOUS CARBON EMISSIONS, SERIOUS HEALTH EFFECTS THAT HAS
10:04:38 EXISTED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:04:40 BUT AS WE CELEBRATE AFRICAN HISTORY THIS MORNING, I WANT
10:04:44 TO JUST SAY FOR PEOPLE THAT WAS GIVEN NOTHING, AND YET
10:04:51 OUR HAND AND OUR MARK ON HISTORY IS EVERYWHERE, FROM THE
10:04:55 CAPITAL TO THE EDUCATIONAL STRUCTURES THAT WE SEE HERE IN
10:05:00 AMERICA, WHERE WE CALL THE GREAT NAME OF BENJAMIN, OF
10:05:11 RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA I WANT TO HOLD UP THE
10:05:13 NAME OF SISTER ESSIE LEE REED, A WOMAN WHO HAD NO MORE
10:05:18 THAN A SIXTH GRADE EDUCATION, BUT SOMEBODY WOULD SAY WHAT
10:05:21 SHE WAS DOING NOW ENSURING THAT THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY
10:05:29 HAVE PROPER REPRESENTATION, THAT WE HAVE THE NECESSARY
10:05:32 RESOURCES THAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:05:34 SO HER NAME IS MORE THAN JUST ERECTED ON A BUILDING.
10:05:39 THOSE OF US WHO PAID ATTENTION TO MS. REED, WE SAW THE
10:05:43 TREMENDOUS WORK SHE DID IN CENTRAL PARK, NOT AS A
10:05:45 POLITICIAN BUT AS A SERVANT FOR THE PEOPLE, HOW SHE WAS
10:05:49 ABLE TO TURN AROUND MISERY INTO HOPE.
10:05:51 AND SO WHAT WE SEE NOW EMERGING INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY
10:05:55 IN EAST TAMPA IS A SIGN OF HOPE.
10:05:57 AND WE WOULD GET HOPE, HOPE, THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL NOT
10:06:03 DO ANYTHING TO ERASE THAT HOPE OR CHANGE, THAT IT WILL
10:06:10 EMBRACE THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE
10:06:12 FORWARD, AND AS THE LAST SPEAKER SAID, ACCOUNTABILITY IS
10:06:19 DUE TO ALL, IS DUE TO ME AS AN ACTIVIST THAT IF I DON'T
10:06:23 CARRY OUT THE MISSION AND ADVOCATE FOR THE WILL OF THE
10:06:26 PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO CRITICIZE THAT.
10:06:29 AND AS I ALWAYS LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT AS A
10:06:36 DEMOCRATIC BODY, THAT CAMPAIGNED ON CHANGING THE SOCIAL
10:06:45 ILLS OF EAST TAMPA, WE HOLD YOU TO THAT.
10:06:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:06:53 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:07:13 YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
10:07:14 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:07:16 I'M BROOK ERRETT, SENIOR ORGANIZER WITH FOOD AND WATER
10:07:20 WATCH REPRESENTING OVER 2500 TAMPA RESIDENT MEMBERS.
10:07:23 YOU HAVE SEEN ME HERE SEVERAL TIMES SUPPORTING THE BOLD
10:07:27 EFFORTS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN MAKING TO SUPPORT OUR
10:07:30 MUCH NEEDED RESOLUTION TO MAKE A JUST TRANSITION TO 100%
10:07:35 CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY BY 2030 AND TO STOP THE INVESTMENT
10:07:38 IN NEW FOSSIL FUEL STRUCTURE.
10:07:41 THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE WE PRESENTED ON THE STEPS THAT
10:07:45 THE CITY CAN TAKE TO MAKE A CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE A
10:07:48 REALITY.
10:07:48 AND I WAS GLAD TO BE SEE THAT YOU WERE ALL IN SUPPORT.
10:07:51 UNFORTUNATELY, SINCE THEN, BIG OIL AND GAS HAS ATTACKED
10:07:55 OUR CITY, ATTEMPTING TO BULLY YOU TO DROP YOUR EFFORTS.
10:08:00 MORE OVER, WE HAVE HEARD RUMORS THAT THE OIL INDUSTRY HAS
10:08:02 BEEN TELLING LOCAL GROUPS AND CITY OFFICIALS THAT YOU,
10:08:08 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ARE THE REASON FOR THE STATE
10:08:10 PREEMPTION LEGISLATION IN TALLAHASSEE, HAVE BEEN THAT IS
10:08:14 JUST NOT TRUE.
10:08:15 THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE USING TO BLOCK CITIES FROM
10:08:18 ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE AND TAKING EVERYDAY MEASURES TO
10:08:21 PROTECT LOCAL RESIDENTS.
10:08:22 AND WORSE, NOW THEY ARE USING THIS RUMOR TO SCARE US ALL
10:08:27 INTO DROPPING OUR RESOLUTION AND OUR LONG-TERM PLAN TO
10:08:30 GET TAMPA TO 100% BY 2030.
10:08:33 THIS RUMOR IS BLATANTLY FALSE.
10:08:37 I'M A LOCAL, AND I KNOW NATIONALLY FOOD AND WATER WATCH
10:08:40 HAS WITNESSED THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY PUSHING FALSE
10:08:44 NARRATIVES.
10:08:45 THE FLORIDA PREEMPTION BILL IS ONE OF TEN AROUND THE
10:08:48 COUNTRY SEEKING TO UNDERMINE COMMUNITIES ACTING TO
10:08:51 TRANSITION TO CLEAN ENERGY AND AWAY FROM DIRTY ENERGY.
10:08:55 THIS IS A COORDINATED EFFORT BY BIG OIL AND GAS.
10:09:00 BULLIES LIKE TO BLAME THE LITTLE GUY FOR WHY THEY ACT THE
10:09:04 WAY THEY DO LIKE A BULLY WHO TAKES YOUR LUNCH MONEY THEY
10:09:08 WILL KEEP COMING BACK FOR MORE.
10:09:10 THEY WILL BLAME YOU FOR THEIR ABUSE.
10:09:12 SIMILARLY, BIG OIL AND GAS LIKE TO BLAME THE MOST RECENT
10:09:16 CITY OR LOCALITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND PUT THE ONUS ON
10:09:19 THOSE CITIES.
10:09:20 CORPORATIONS PUT THE BLAME ON THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE
10:09:23 RATHER THAN THEIR OWN POLLUTING AND DESTRUCTIVE POLICIES.
10:09:26 THEY PUT PROFIT ABOVE PEOPLE, BUT ALL OF US ARE SMARTER
10:09:31 THAN THAT.
10:09:32 BULLIES TARGET US.
10:09:33 THEY FEED OFF OUR VULNERABILITIES AND THE ONLY WAY TO
10:09:37 STOP THEM IS BY SLAPPING BACK.
10:09:39 THE FACT THAT THESE BILLS ARE A NATIONAL EFFORT MEANS
10:09:42 THEY WILL NOT GO AWAY BY DROPPING THIS RESOLUTION.
10:09:45 BIG OIL AND GAS AND THE INDUSTRY ARE LYING TO YOU.
10:09:49 IF TAMPA WAS TO BLAME THEN WHY ARE KANSAS, MISSOURI,
10:09:55 GEORGIA, UTAH, KENTUCKY, INDIANA AND ARKANSAS, TEN STATES
10:09:58 FILING THE SAME BILL?
10:10:02 WE CANNOT THINK THAT TAMPA, EVEN AS GREAT AS WE ARE, HAS
10:10:08 CAUSE TO THIS FIGHT.
10:10:09 WE URGE YOU TO NOT FALL TO THEIR SCARE TACTIC.
10:10:13 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS ELECTED TO PROTECT CITY OF TAMPA
10:10:17 RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.
10:10:18 EVERYONE ON THIS COUNCIL SAID THEY SUPPORT CLEAN ENERGY.
10:10:22 WE KNOW MORE TACTICS WILL COME IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE
10:10:25 BUT THIS IS NOT THE END OF THEIR MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN.
10:10:28 BUT WE NEED YOU TO DOUBLE DOWN.
10:10:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:10:31 >> AGAINST BIG OIL AND GAS AND DO RIGHT FOR YOUR
10:10:35 CONSTITUENTS.
10:10:35 THANK YOU.
10:10:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:10:40 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:10:56 THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN PERSON, YOU SAID?
10:11:03 YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
10:11:05 GO AHEAD.
10:11:05 >> MENTESNOT.
10:11:10 IS IT POSSIBLE TWO THINGS, TALKING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
10:11:15 THE OTHER THING IS EVEN BEFORE THEY START MY TIME, YOU
10:11:17 ALL NEED TO GET THIS GARBAGE SOUND SYSTEM.
10:11:20 IT'S AMAZING.
10:11:21 YOU NEED TO GET THIS GARBAGE SOUND SYSTEM REPAIRED OR DO
10:11:24 SOMETHING WITH IT, GET IT PERFECTED SO WHEN THE PEOPLE
10:11:27 COME HERE, WHEN THE CITIZENS COME HERE, AT LEAST WE WOULD
10:11:29 BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.
10:11:30 ANOTHER THING IS THAT EVERY TIME THERE IS A SITUATION
10:11:33 ABOUT TIME, PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TAKE THE SPEAKERS' TIME
10:11:37 AWAY.
10:11:38 WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS SOME OF YOU REPRESENTATIVES, YOU
10:11:40 SHOULD TAKE ONE THIRD OF YOUR TIME AWAY IN OFFICE.
10:11:43 THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.
10:11:45 BUT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE DONE.
10:11:47 AND AT THE BREAK WITH THE LEADERSHIP SINCE THE COUNTY
10:11:52 WANTS TO COMMEND THE DOG PARK OR WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING
10:11:54 OVER THERE $18 MILLION, BUT IT'S A DAMN SHAME, IT'S A
10:11:58 SHAME WHAT THEY PUT RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY, TO SEE
10:12:02 DOGS HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE THAN AFRICAN PEOPLE, TO
10:12:05 SEE DOGS AND CATS AND RABBITS HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE
10:12:08 THAN AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:12:09 THAT'S HOW THEY TREAT US AND THEY PUT IT RIGHT IN OUR
10:12:12 FACE.
10:12:12 THEY PUT IT RIGHT IN OUR FACE.
10:12:14 YEAH, LUXURY FOR THE DOGS AND THE CATS.
10:12:18 AND OVER THE AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:12:19 IT'S A SIN.
10:12:22 PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
10:12:23 THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO SAY, THAT THIS CITY
10:12:25 COUNCIL HAS TO GET AHOLD OF.
10:12:27 POLICE VIOLENCE INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
10:12:29 CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AGAINST AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:12:32 THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOREVER AND EVER.
10:12:34 AND WE WANT TO PUT A BLAST RIGHT NOW, OFFICER PJ GRAY, WE
10:12:39 WANT HIM FIRED FROM THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:12:40 HE SHOULDN'T BE AT TAXPAYERS MONEY.
10:12:43 THERE'S A VIDEO CIRCULATING OUT THERE OF WHAT HE DO AND
10:12:46 JUST HOW BRAZEN ABOUT HOW HE'S DOING IT.
10:12:48 AND IT HAPPENS TO AFRICAN PEOPLE EVERY DAY WHEN WE GET
10:12:52 OUR RIGHTS VIOLATED.
10:12:53 IT HAPPENS TO US EVERY SINGLE DAY.
10:12:56 OFFICER PJ GRAY OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:12:58 WE WANT HIM TERMINATED.
10:13:00 WE DON'T WANT HIM ON LEAVE.
10:13:02 WE DON'T WANT HIM ON SUSPENSION.
10:13:04 WE WANT HIM TERMINATED.
10:13:05 HE'S A RISK TO THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
10:13:07 HE'S A RISK TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.
10:13:09 PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
10:13:10 WE WANT HIM OUT OF THERE.
10:13:13 IT'S BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
10:13:14 I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IN RECOGNITION TO WOMEN LIKE
10:13:17 QUEEN MOTHER MOORE.
10:13:18 WE HAVE TO GIVE OUR WOMEN JUST MORE RECOGNITION FOR
10:13:21 EVERYTHING THEY DO.
10:13:22 QUEEN MOTHER MOORE, NANNY BIRD, IDA B. WELLS, RIGHT HERE
10:13:30 IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
10:13:32 FANNY LOU HAMER AND THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON WHO IS ALSO
10:13:37 TALKING ABOUT CUTTING PEOPLE'S SPEECH AND CUT PEOPLE'S
10:13:40 TIME, GO BACK AND LISTEN TO FANNY LOU FAMOUS QUOTE EVER.
10:13:45 WE AIN'T COME ALL THE WAY HERE FOR NO TWO DAMN SEATS.
10:13:50 KNOW WHAT IT MEANS WHEN PEOPLE TAP THEIR TIME TO COME
10:13:53 DOWN HERE, BREAK THEIR SCHEDULE, GETTING THEIR KIDS TO GO
10:13:55 TO SCHOOL EARLY AND DO OTHER THINGS, MAKING ARRANGEMENTS,
10:13:59 AND THEN EVERY TIME IT'S LIKE LAZY PEOPLE ON THE DAMN
10:14:01 JOB.
10:14:02 ANYTIME THEY WANT TO QUIT OR THEY QUANTITY TO GO ON
10:14:06 VACATION OR THEY WANT TO TAKE A BREAK.
10:14:08 GET THE DAMN WORK DONE.
10:14:09 LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE.
10:14:10 LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
10:14:12 THERE'S A LOT OF SITUATIONS OUT THERE THAT'S NOT BEING
10:14:14 ADDRESSED ESPECIALLY IN OUR DISTRICT.
10:14:16 MAN, I BEEN COMING DOWN HERE FOR 30-SOME YEARS, AND JUST
10:14:19 REALIZE WHAT THE CRA DO, BECAUSE OF CONNIE BURTON, NEVER
10:14:25 REALIZE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:14:26 NOW WHY?
10:14:27 BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO A DAMN THING INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY.
10:14:30 THESE PEOPLE BEEN RUNNING GAME FOR US FOR THE LONGEST
10:14:33 WHEN THEY WANT TO BRING THE BUCCANEERS HERE, EXTRA TAXES,
10:14:37 EXTRA THIS, EXTRA THAT, PUT IT ON THE PEOPLE, ALL KIND OF
10:14:40 NONSENSE, PUT A FEW PALM TREES UP AND DOWN MARTIN LUTHER
10:14:44 KING.
10:14:44 EVEN WHEN IT USED TO BE BUFFALO AVENUE, TRICKING AFRICAN
10:14:48 PEOPLE.
10:14:48 WE ARE TIRED OF THAT DAMN NONSENSE.
10:14:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:14:54 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:14:57 ALL RIGHT.
10:15:06 THAT CONCLUDES IN-PERSON PUBLIC SPEAKING.
10:15:08 WE NOW GO TO THOSE THAT HAVE REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
10:15:12 I HAVE 26 PEOPLE FOR THIS PORTION OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:15:18 IF THE CLERK WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, I SEE MR. BROOKINS IS
10:15:25 THE FIRST SPEAKER.
10:15:26 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
10:15:29 SONYA, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
10:15:32 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:15:33 >> OKAY.
10:15:36 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:15:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
10:15:38 GO AHEAD.
10:15:38 >> OKAY.
10:15:39 I'M SONYA BROOKINGS, SOUTHERN WATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT
10:15:46 SUPERVISOR FOR DISTRICT 4.
10:15:48 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE DO SUPPORT BOLD
10:15:51 ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES, AND WE URGE THE TAMPA CITY
10:15:54 COUNCIL TO BE STAND FIRM ON MOVING OUR CITY TO 100% CLEAN
10:16:00 RENEWABLE ENERGY.
10:16:02 I HEARD UP WITH OF THE COUNCILMEN SAY WHEN THEY GAVE THE
10:16:06 PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE ALL FAMILY.
10:16:09 IF WE ARE ALL FAMILY, WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR
10:16:13 CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN THAT COME BEHIND US IN
10:16:17 REGARDS TO 100% CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY.
10:16:22 WE ARE NOT A CITY THAT WILL BE BULLIED BY PREEMPTIONS.
10:16:32 YOUR CITY HAS SPOKEN AND THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS COUNCIL
10:16:36 IS TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS.
10:16:38 WE DESERVE CLEAN ENERGY PLAN.
10:16:42 PLEASE, WE URGE THAT THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL STAY
10:16:47 FOCUSED ON HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION TO
10:16:52 OPPOSE BAD ENERGY BILLS AND PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE
10:16:55 CITY AND ITS CITIZENS.
10:16:58 WE ALL DESERVE THAT.
10:17:00 I AM ONLY ONE PERSON THAT'S SPEAKING, BUT THE CITY, THERE
10:17:04 ARE MANY PEOPLE, AND WE ALL DESERVE A CLEAN CITY.
10:17:10 I ASK THAT YOU TAKE HEED AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
10:17:15 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:17:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:17:16 NEXT SPEAKER, I HAVE DAVID SINCLAIR.
10:17:21 >>THE CLERK: DAVID, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE
10:17:23 UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:17:25 >> YES, GOOD MORNING.
10:17:26 MY NAME IS DAVID SINCLAIR.
10:17:29 8434 PEBBLE CIRCLE, TAMPA.
10:17:33 I ENCOURAGE YOU TODAY TO STAND FIRM AND DO NOT WITHDRAW
10:17:38 ANY RESOLUTION TO MOVE TAMPA FORWARD TO BE 100% CLEAN
10:17:43 ENERGY BY 2030.
10:17:46 I HAVE NOTICED A RISING FEAR TREPIDATION AMONG LOCAL
10:17:51 POLITICIANS TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THIS.
10:17:54 OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE MENTIONED THE PRESSURE BEING PUT ON
10:17:59 BY THE INDUSTRY ON YOURSELVES.
10:18:04 PRESIDENT FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT IN HIS 1941 FAMOUS SPEECH
10:18:08 ABOUT THE FOUR FREEDOMS SPOKE ABOUT FREEDOM FROM FEAR.
10:18:12 WE NEED TO BE STRONG.
10:18:15 FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO FOLLOWED MUSICALS, TO FIGHT FOR THE
10:18:21 RIGHT WITHOUT QUESTION OF ART.
10:18:26 AND ANOTHER FAMOUS MUSICAL, DIABLO, THE CROWD SAID, DID
10:18:34 YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE?
10:18:35 AND THE SONG CONTINUES: WILL YOU JOIN IN OUR CRUSADE?
10:18:39 I SAY TO YOU, YOUR FRIENDS, WILL YOU JOIN OUR CRUSADE FOR
10:18:44 CLEAN ENERGY IN OUR COMMUNITY?
10:18:45 BE STRONG.
10:18:49 IN CONCLUSION I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THE DANGER OF THE
10:18:53 PREEMPTION ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT AFFECT OUR HOME
10:18:58 RULE.
10:19:01 YOU ARE OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
10:19:02 DO NOT LET THIS PREEMPTION ISSUE SHUT THE DOOR ON CLIMATE
10:19:07 ACTION YOU MAY TAKE FOR OUR CITY.
10:19:11 DO NOT WITHDRAW YOUR RESOLUTION TODAY ON THE ISSUE OF
10:19:15 CLEAN ENERGY FOR TAMPA.
10:19:18 THANK YOU.
10:19:19 HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:19:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:19:21 NEXT WE HAVE BOB MORRISON.
10:19:23 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE YOU HAVE THREE
10:19:25 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:19:27 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELVES.
10:19:28 >> I HOPE EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME.
10:19:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, WE CAN.
10:19:33 GO AHEAD.
10:19:33 >> VERY GOOD.
10:19:35 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, GOOD MORNING.
10:19:38 FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BOB MORRISON.
10:19:40 AND I WISH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HILLSBOROUGH
10:19:44 COUNTY HOTEL AND MOTEL ASSOCIATION.
10:19:46 I DO KNOW THAT ITEM 25 HAS BEEN SHIFTED TO THIS AFTERNOON
10:19:53 REGARDING THE MARKETING DISTRICT DELEGATION AGREEMENT,
10:19:58 BUT I WANTED TO JUST JOIN YOU THIS MORNING TO SIGNAL OUR
10:20:01 SUPPORT FOR THE AGREEMENT THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU THIS
10:20:05 AFTERNOON.
10:20:07 CERTAINLY, AS AN INDUSTRY, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A
10:20:12 DIFFICULT SEASON.
10:20:13 YES, THERE ARE SMILES BECAUSE OF WHAT IMPACT WE ARE GOING
10:20:18 TO SEE THIS WEEKEND, BUT THE IRONY IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK
10:20:26 ON THE SURFACE THINGS LOOK GOOD, WHEN WE TURN THE PATIENT
10:20:29 OVER, IN MANY WAYS, WE ARE ON LIFE SUPPORT.
10:20:34 WE HAVE MEMBERS WHO TELL OUR COMMUNITY WHO ORDINARILY
10:20:39 WOULD BE ADDING EMPLOYEES DURING THIS SEASON WHO ARE
10:20:46 STEPPING BACK AND CANNOT BECAUSE OF THEIR FEAR OF HAVING
10:20:49 TO ENGAGE IN FURTHER FURLOUGH OR LAYOFFS BECAUSE OF THE
10:20:55 CHALLENGES WE FACE IN OUR INDUSTRY WITH THE REALITY OF
10:20:59 OUR PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
10:21:01 SO TODAY, WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEE FIT TO EMBRACE THE
10:21:06 DELEGATION AGREEMENT THAT WILL CLOUD THE INDUSTRY, TO PUT
10:21:13 TOGETHER MARKETING STRATEGIES THAT YIELD RESULTS, THAT
10:21:17 WILL ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO IMPACT THE HOTELS WITHIN
10:21:24 DOWNTOWN AND YBOR CITY, AND TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO
10:21:28 MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
10:21:31 WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE OF OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH
10:21:33 THE CITY, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THAT
10:21:37 RELATIONSHIP IN CONNECTION WITH THIS DELEGATION
10:21:40 AGREEMENT.
10:21:41 THANKS SO MUCH.
10:21:42 AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR GIVING US THE TIME THIS MORNING.
10:21:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:21:48 NEXT UP.
10:21:49 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE SARAH
10:21:51 EDWARDS.
10:21:52 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU
10:21:54 HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:21:56 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:22:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:22:04 GO AHEAD.
10:22:04 >> MY NAME IS SARAH EDWARDS ON DAVIS ISLAND.
10:22:10 I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH PRACTITIONER BY BACKGROUND.
10:22:16 ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY VOLUNTEER HERE TODAY IN SUPPORT OF
10:22:19 CITY COUNCIL'S EFFORT TO TAKE FURTHER AGGRESSIVE ACTION
10:22:22 ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
10:22:23 MUCH OF MY CAREER HAS INVOLVED PUBLIC TRUST, AND I CAN'T
10:22:29 HELP TO SEE STRIKING SIMILARITIES WITH THE TOBACCO
10:22:34 INDUSTRY AND THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY.
10:22:41 MISINFORMATION, SPENDING MILLIONS ON PRODUCTS, PIVOTING
10:22:47 TO HEALTHIER PRODUCTS, AND LOBBYING THE LEGISLATION FOR
10:22:56 LOCAL POLICY MAKING.
10:23:02 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
10:23:07 NOW THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE AND CONCERNED ABOUT CLIMATE
10:23:11 CHANGE, THE LOGICAL NEXT STEP FOR THE INDUSTRY TO TAKE IS
10:23:15 TO HAVE INDUSTRY SPONSORED BILLS THAT TAKE AWAY LOCAL
10:23:20 CONTROL OVER OUR OWN HEALTH AND HEALTH OF OUR LOCAL
10:23:23 ENVIRONMENT.
10:23:23 IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD BATTLE BUT WITH THE EXCELLENT
10:23:26 RENEWABLE ENERGY OPTIONS THAT ARE CLEAN, SAVE PEOPLE AND
10:23:30 BUSINESSES MONEY AND PUT PEOPLE BACK TO WORK IN GOOD
10:23:32 PAYING JOBS.
10:23:35 THIS IS WHY THE BULLYING TACTICS ARE COMING OUT.
10:23:38 THESE MASSES OF DECEPTION AND DENIAL ARE USED IN THE SAME
10:23:42 PROJECTS AS OTHER INDUSTRIES FOR YEARS.
10:23:51 WE NEED A CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, AND NOT TO BACK DOWN
10:24:00 TO THESE BULLIES.
10:24:05 IN OTHER SOUTHERN STATES, AND WE NEED TO COORDINATE OUR
10:24:08 RESPONSE.
10:24:09 WE ARE NOT ALONE.
10:24:12 HERE IN FLORIDA, ELEVEN CITIES HAVE SET FORTH RESOLUTIONS
10:24:18 DEALING WITH RENEWABLE ENERGY AND OVER 90 COMMUNITIES.
10:24:21 MORE THAN 100 CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HUNDREDS MORE
10:24:24 AROUND THE WORLD IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS.
10:24:29 FURTHERMORE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A BETTER PLACE.
10:24:33 SOLAR, WIND AND OTHER RENEWABLES ARE GETTING MORE EVERY
10:24:38 DAY, IMPROVING RAPIDLY, AND MANY INDUSTRIES ARE COMMIT,
10:24:46 AND WE HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT READY.
10:24:51 SO TODAY I AM ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A LIVABLE
10:25:00 CLIMATE NOW AND IN THE FUTURE AND ASK THE HILLSBOROUGH
10:25:02 COUNTY DELEGATION TO DO THE SAME.
10:25:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:25:12 NEXT.
10:25:12 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE STEVEN
10:25:18 MICHELINI.
10:25:18 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:25:20 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:25:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI?
10:25:30 >>STEVE MICHELINI: AM I ON NOW?
10:25:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:25:39 GO AHEAD.
10:25:39 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED
10:25:43 CHANGE IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR DOWNTOWN ON
10:25:46 SUNDAYS.
10:25:47 AND I WOULD URGE THE COUNCIL TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND
10:25:52 MAKE THE PARKING ON SUNDAYS PERMANENT AND NOT THE SIX
10:25:59 MONTH TRIAL PERIOD.
10:26:00 WE WILL JUST BE REVISITING THE SAME ISSUE, AND IT'S ONLY
10:26:03 GOING TO GROW IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS IT SOONER RATHER THAN
10:26:06 LATER.
10:26:09 A SIX-MONTH PROCESS OF WAITING FOR THIS IS SIMPLY GOING
10:26:14 TO DELAY AND MAGNIFY THE PROBLEM.
10:26:18 SO I WOULD URGE YOU TO GO AHEAD AND INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO
10:26:25 CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND RESTORE THAT PARKING PROVISION
10:26:29 THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
10:26:31 THE SECOND ISSUE IS REGARDING THE ADOPTION OF THE FEMA
10:26:36 REGULATIONS THAT THE CITY CODES IN BOTH THE BUILDING AND
10:26:40 THE ZONING CODES THAT ARE BEFORE YOU, THOSE ARE INTEGRAL
10:26:45 TO THE ABILITY OF THE HOUSING INDUSTRY TO CONTINUE.
10:26:50 IF YOU DELAY ADOPTING THOSE TWO PROVISIONS, YOU STOP THE
10:26:54 DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT HOMES,
10:27:02 SINGLE-FAMILY NOW, NOT JUST OTHERS.
10:27:04 SO YOU DELAY THAT FOR WHATEVER PERIOD OF TIME IT TAKES
10:27:08 YOU TO ADOPT THE NEW CODES.
10:27:11 AND I WILL BE SPEAKING LATER ON TODAY ABOUT SOME OF THE
10:27:15 OTHER ISSUES.
10:27:16 A THIRD ISSUE IS I AM HERE TO SUPPORT THE CODE AMENDMENT
10:27:19 THAT WILL ALLOW FRONT PORCHES.
10:27:21 MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT THAT UP.
10:27:23 AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROVISION.
10:27:25 IT HELPS STABILIZE AND PROVIDES OUTDOOR SPACE ON THE
10:27:31 FRONTS OF HOMES AND ENCOURAGES INTERACTION WITH OTHER
10:27:33 PEOPLE AND GETS YOU BACK TO SOME RELATIVELY CONTROLLED
10:27:41 CLIMATE ENVIRONMENTAL SPACE.
10:27:44 SO JUST IN SUMMARY I AM ASKING COUNCIL TO AMEND THE
10:27:47 ORDINANCE AND RESTORE THE SUNDAY PARKING PERMANENTLY, AND
10:27:52 THEN SUPPORT THE OTHER TWO PROVISIONS IN THE CODE FOR THE
10:27:55 FEMA REGULATIONS AND THE FRONT PORCHES.
10:27:59 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:27:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:28:02 NEXT SPEAKER.
10:28:03 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE EMMA LAWLER.
10:28:09 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:28:11 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:28:12 >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:28:17 I AM THE LEAD ORGANIZER WITH THE CLEO INSTITUTE.
10:28:23 I AM ALSO A GRADUATE FROM THE PATEL COLLEGE OF GLOBAL
10:28:26 SUSTAINABILITY AT USF.
10:28:28 OUR ORGANIZATION SUPPORTS POLICIES THAT EXTREME LINE
10:28:31 RESILIENCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND WE ARE URGING THE
10:28:34 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO STAND FIRM ON MOVING TO 100% CLEAN
10:28:41 AND RENEWABLE ENERGY BY 2030.
10:28:43 WE ARE EXPRESSING CONCERN OVER SENATE BILL 856 AND OTHER
10:28:48 BILLS THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY FOR LOCAL
10:28:50 GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ON ENERGY
10:28:53 INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT.
10:28:55 IF THIS BILL PASSES, CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS WOULD
10:28:58 HAVE NO SAY IN THE ZONING OR SAFETY REGULATIONS OF LOCAL
10:29:02 ENERGY, WHETHER IT'S RENEWABLE OR NOT.
10:29:05 SO WE ARE ASKING THAT THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR BE NOTIFIED,
10:29:09 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION, TO OPPOSE THE
10:29:12 BILL ON THE TABLE.
10:29:13 THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT TAMPA AND OTHER CITIES CAN MOVE
10:29:15 FORWARD WITH THEIR CLEAN ENERGY PLANS WITH NO
10:29:18 INTERFERENCE FROM THE STATE.
10:29:20 THANK YOU.
10:29:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:29:21 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:29:22 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE MARY
10:29:26 ELIZABETH ESTRADA.
10:29:28 MARY, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:29:30 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:29:31 >> HI.
10:29:33 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:29:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:29:35 GO AHEAD.
10:29:36 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:29:38 THIS IS MARY ELIZABETH ESTRADA, AN ORGANIZER WITH THE
10:29:42 CLEO INSTITUTE.
10:29:43 I AM ALSO A STUDENT AT USF PATEL COLLEGE OF
10:29:46 SUSTAINABILITY.
10:29:48 I AM HERE TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT FOR THE 100% CLEAN
10:29:54 ENERGY RESOLUTION.
10:29:55 THIS RESOLUTION IS PASSED, WOULD ENCOURAGE INNOVATION AND
10:30:01 PROTECTING THE FUTURE OF OUR CITIZENS.
10:30:04 PLEASE DO NOT LET SPECIAL INTERESTS GROUPS SWAY YOUR
10:30:09 DECISION ON THIS, WHEN THE PEOPLE HAVE VOICED THE URGENCY
10:30:11 OF THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW.
10:30:14 THE CITY OF TAMPA IS READY TO LEAD ON THIS.
10:30:17 WE MUST BE AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHER CITIES, NOT ONLY IN
10:30:20 FLORIDA, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.
10:30:24 WE NEED THIS COMMITMENT AS TAMPA RECOVERS FROM THE
10:30:26 PANDEMIC.
10:30:27 IT WILL BUILD A MORE EQUITABLE ECONOMY WITH CLEAN JOBS
10:30:32 AND RENEWABLE ENERGY.
10:30:34 I SUPPORT BOLD AMBITIOUS CLIMATOLOGY AND URGE TAMPA CITY
10:30:39 COUNCIL TO STAND FIRM ON MOVING TOWARD 100% CLEAN
10:30:43 RENEWABLE ENERGY AND IN ADDITION I ALSO URGE THE CITY
10:30:47 COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR TO ENCOURAGE THE HILLSBOROUGH
10:30:49 COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION TO OPPOSE THE PROBLEMATIC
10:30:53 ENERGY BILL IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF OUR CITY.
10:30:56 THANK YOU.
10:30:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:30:59 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:31:00 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE ALINA
10:31:02 DEMITRIJEVICK.
10:31:09 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:31:10 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:31:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:31:14 GO AHEAD.
10:31:14 >> GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
10:31:17 MY NAME IS ALINA DIMITRIJEVICK.
10:31:20 I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I AM A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
10:31:25 I LIVE IN DISTRICT 5.
10:31:27 I THINK THAT'S MR. GUDES AS WELL AS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
10:31:31 CITY COUNCIL RELATING TO THIS RECENT UPTICK IN CRIME THAT
10:31:36 WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING IN OUR AREA.
10:31:41 WE ARE AROUND THE AREA OF RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS AND COLUMBUS
10:31:44 APARTMENTS NEAR THE NEW WEST DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
10:31:50 GETTING BUILT.
10:31:51 IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THERE HAS BEEN A RECENT UPTICK IN
10:32:01 CRIMES INVOLVING SHOOTINGS RESULTING IN CLOSING DOWN THE
10:32:05 COLUMBUS STREET BRIDGE AS WELL AS A RECENT HOMICIDE IN
10:32:08 THE AREA, ALL OF WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE GONE -- I MEAN,
10:32:13 EVERYTHING IS SUPPOSEDLY UNDER INVESTIGATION BUT THERE'S
10:32:16 BEEN NO REAL ACTION AND NO REAL UPDATE TO THE CITIZENS OF
10:32:19 THE AREA AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
10:32:22 AS YOU ARE AWARE, THERE'S AN INFUSION OF MONEY COMING
10:32:25 INTO OUR CITY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR STUDY
10:32:31 PROJECTS.
10:32:32 WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY SUPER BOWL.
10:32:33 GO BUCS.
10:32:34 COMING IN.
10:32:35 WE HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE AREA, A LOT OF
10:32:41 EXCITEMENT IN THE AREA, BUT THE CRIME THAT WE ARE SEEING
10:32:44 IS VERY DISTURBING.
10:32:50 AGAIN AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN, I DON'T SEE A RESPONSE.
10:32:52 I DON'T SEE ANY UPDATE TO THE PUBLIC, THE TPD -- IN OUR
10:33:02 CITY OF TAMPA GOVERNMENT WEBSITE THAT ANY OF THESE CRIMES
10:33:05 ARE COMMITTED SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW WHERE IT
10:33:08 IS HAPPENING, IT IS NOT BEING PROPERLY SEEN.
10:33:11 I CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS JUST ONE EVENT THAT HAPPENED,
10:33:14 BUT IT HAPPENED OVER A PERIOD OF SEVERAL MONTHS, GANG
10:33:19 ACTIVITY THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE AREA, ALONG NORTH
10:33:23 BOULEVARD AND COLUMBUS DRIVE.
10:33:25 IT'S BEING PRESENTED -- AGAIN IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD
10:33:31 URGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA WHERE
10:33:34 WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCITING THINGS GOING ON, WE NEED TO DO
10:33:40 SOMETHING TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM CERTAIN ELEMENTS IN
10:33:43 THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE JUST A COUPLE OF BAD APPLES THAT
10:33:48 ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS.
10:33:50 SO I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION IN A MORE
10:33:54 PUBLIC FORUM SO SOMETHING CAN ACTUALLY BE DONE, BECAUSE
10:34:02 STEPS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN THUS FAR BY THE CITY POLICE TO
10:34:06 PATROL THE AREA MORE.
10:34:08 THANK YOU.
10:34:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR?
10:34:12 I KNOW WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO COMMENT BUT I DID RECEIVE A
10:34:15 BUNCH OF E-MAILS.
10:34:18 THEY ARE LOOKING INTO COMMUNICATION FOR THE PUBLIC IN
10:34:22 REFERENCE TO GETTING INFORMATION OUT, AND SHE'S GOING TO
10:34:24 BE SETTING SOME MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC.
10:34:27 THERE IS AN UPTICK IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
10:34:30 I WOULD SHARE THAT PORTION OF IT.
10:34:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COLUMBUS AND
10:34:33 ROME?
10:34:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:34:36 MR. McGREGOR IS ON THAT AND THERE IS AN UPTICK.
10:34:40 BUT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THAT AREA.
10:34:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS ARE GOING TO
10:34:48 BE SHAWN BROWN, MARY MARGARET WILSON AND JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:34:54 SEAN BROWN IS UP.
10:34:55 >>THE CLERK: SHAWN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE
10:35:01 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:35:02 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO BE SPEAK.
10:35:03 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:35:05 THIS IS SHAWN BROWN HERE, PRESIDENT OF THE GANDY CIVIC
10:35:07 ASSOCIATION.
10:35:10 I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO, AND
10:35:16 DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON. ANYWAY, I WILL BE
10:35:19 TALKING LATER WITH REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 65 LATER THIS
10:35:24 EVENING WHEN THAT COMES UP.
10:35:26 OTHERWISE, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEM NUMBER 59
10:35:29 AND NUMBER 60, THE GADSDEN PARK, AND I ECHO THE PREVIOUS
10:35:42 COMMENTS AND LETTER THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED, I THINK IT IS
10:35:49 A TERRIBLE IDEA FOR MANY REASONS, YOU KNOW, NAMELY IT'S
10:35:53 GADSDEN PARK, IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, AND WHAT YOU
10:35:59 MUST DO THE INTENT OF THAT PARK.
10:36:07 WE HAVE OTHER AREAS LIKE JULY
10:36:16 ANYWAY, THE OTHER ASPECT IS THE TOILET TO TAP.
10:36:20 CERTAINLY, I BELIEVE MORE STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THIS.
10:36:24 YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT EFFECTS THAT UNFILTERED
10:36:32 THINGS FROM LIKE OXYCONTIN, PROZAC AND OTHER
10:36:39 PHARMACEUTICAL MEDICATIONS AND SUCH, WHAT RESIDUALS ARE
10:36:42 GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT INTO OUR AQUIFER.
10:36:46 ALSO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IT DOES TO THE AQUIFER AND
10:36:52 CALCIFICATION AND HOW IT IMPACTS LIFESTYLE, BECAUSE WE
10:36:56 LIKE OTHER AREAS AROUND THE WORLD, THEY HAVE CREATED AS
10:37:00 THEIR SURFACE, WE HAVE LIMESTONE WHICH WE KNOW IS
10:37:04 FRAGILE.
10:37:04 SO WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT STUDIES AND
10:37:07 WHAT THAT CAN DO TO THAT, GIVEN THAT IT IS OUR
10:37:11 FOUNDATION.
10:37:12 ALSO, DESALINIZATION.
10:37:17 TAMPA BAY WAS THE FIRST ONE TO EVER HAVE A DESALINIZATION
10:37:21 PLANT IN THE WORLD, KIND OF SPEARHEADED, STARTED THAT
10:37:24 OFF.
10:37:24 SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ADVANCE THAT TECHNOLOGY FURTHER,
10:37:28 GIVEN WE HAVE AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF SALTWATER AROUND US.
10:37:33 AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE AQUIFER, TO HAVE
10:37:36 SALTWATER INTRUSION.
10:37:37 SO I THINK THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO LOOK AT BEFORE
10:37:41 SETTLING ON TOILET TO TAP, AND CERTAINLY FROM A
10:37:44 SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT WITH THE MEDICATIONS THAT ARE BEING
10:37:49 EXCRETED, AND AS WELL AS DESALINIZATION AND THOSE ARE MY
10:37:55 COMMENTS WITH REGARDS TO THOSE TWO AGENDA ITEMS.
10:37:57 I LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING LATER ON MY COMMENTS ON
10:37:59 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 65.
10:38:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:03 MARY MARGARET WILSON.
10:38:05 JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:38:06 JULIA MANDELL ARE NEXT.
10:38:08 >> CHAIR, MARY MARGARET WILSON, ALTHOUGH SHE IS
10:38:13 REGISTERED TO SPEAK, SHE DID NOT PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE.
10:38:16 I DO NOT SEE HER NAME ON THE LIST.
10:38:18 SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:38:21 JEAN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:38:24 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:38:25 >> HOLD ON.
10:38:39 HELLO?
10:38:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:38:40 WE CAN HEAR YOU.
10:38:41 GO AHEAD.
10:38:45 YOU WERE UNMUTED THERE FOR A SECOND.
10:38:52 WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.
10:38:57 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
10:38:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:39:00 GO AHEAD.
10:39:00 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
10:39:01 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:39:02 >> I'M JEAN STROHMEYER AND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE TOILET
10:39:06 TO TAP ISSUE NOW KNOWN AS PURE.
10:39:09 I LOOKED AT ALL THE DOCUMENTATION, AND I SEE THAT A LOT
10:39:15 OF PEOPLE PROBABLY HAVEN'T READ IT.
10:39:17 SO I AM JUST WONDERING WHY WE CAN'T USE THE HILLSBOROUGH
10:39:20 RIVER FILTRATION INSTEAD OF PUTTING DIRTY WATER INTO OUR
10:39:24 AQUIFER.
10:39:26 I SAW THAT IT STARTS WITH PUBLIC FUNDS.
10:39:29 THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS BEING MORE SALINE
10:39:33 WITHDRAWALS, AND I AM WONDERING IF THE GOAL, THE MONEY,
10:39:36 FOLLOW THE MONEY, IS TO CLOSE UP SULPHUR SPRINGS FOR
10:39:40 GENTRIFICATION FOR THAT AREA AND PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT
10:39:43 OF HOUSING AND UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING LIKE IS GOING DOWN
10:39:46 SOUTH OF GANDY.
10:39:49 THE WATER LEVEL, I AM LOOKING AT THESE MEMOS FROM THE
10:39:52 CITY.
10:39:53 THE WATER LEVELS ONLY REDUCED ONCE, 12 YEARS AGO IN 2009,
10:39:58 WHICH WAS AN ANOMALY -- SO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS $10
10:40:04 MILLION PROJECT WHEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE INCIDENT WHERE IT
10:40:06 WOULD HAVE HELPED US FOREVER EXCEPT FOR 2009?
10:40:11 LET'S SEE, THE RESOLUTION BEGAN WITH THE APPROPRIATION OF
10:40:16 $10 MILLION, WHICH THEY HAVE NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE
10:40:21 BREAKING IT UP, BUT IT SAYS THE APPROPRIATION NOW, IT
10:40:28 WENT INTO JANUARY 13th, THAT THE APPROPRIATION
10:40:31 WITHOUT ENCUMBRANCES.
10:40:34 THAT TO ME SOUNDS LIKE THEY CAN DO WHATEVER, WHENEVER AND
10:40:37 HOWEVER AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE
10:40:39 SHOULD SIGN UP FOR.
10:40:40 I THINK WE NEED TO SLOW IT DOWN AND NOT DO THIS RIGHT
10:40:44 NOW.
10:40:46 THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL GETTING PAID.
10:40:50 WE THE PEOPLE ARE EITHER WORKING -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT
10:40:54 GETTING PAID AS MUCH BECAUSE WHEN A LOT OF US ARE OUT OF
10:40:57 WORK A LOT OF US ARE NOT WORKING THE HOURS, THE
10:40:59 GOVERNMENT STILL GETS ALL THAT MONEY.
10:41:03 LET'S SEE, I JUST FEEL THAT THIS IS BEING SHOVED DOWN OUR
10:41:09 THROATS AGAIN.
10:41:10 THIS HAS COME UP SO MANY TIMES AND IT'S ALWAYS VOTED NO.
10:41:13 THE FULL RESOLUTION IS CHANGING THE BUDGET, TRANSFERRING
10:41:16 MONEY THAT THEY SAID IS NO LONGER NEEDED FOR THE ORIGINAL
10:41:19 PURPOSE.
10:41:19 WELL, I CAN THINK OF BETTER WAYS TO USE THE FUND THAN FOR
10:41:23 SPECULATIVE PROJECT THAT HASN'T BEEN NEEDED AND THE ONLY
10:41:26 TIME CLOSE TO BEING NEEDED WAS IN 2009.
10:41:28 WE CAN USE THAT MONEY TO FEED THE HOMELESS, FIX FAILING
10:41:31 ROADS, FIX A POTHOLE OR 3 OR 200.
10:41:37 I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE.
10:41:40 THANK YOU.
10:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP IS JULIA MANDELL, MICHAEL
10:41:43 FANNING AND RICK GARRITY.
10:41:46 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU ARE ON MUTE, GO AHEAD.
10:41:56 >>JULIA MANDELL: --
10:42:01 >>> JULIA, WE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING.
10:42:06 ALL RIGHT.
10:42:06 LET'S GO BACK TO JULIA.
10:42:08 MICHAEL FANNING.
10:42:09 >>THE CLERK: MICHAEL FANNING DID REGISTER TO SPEAK BUT
10:42:16 HE DID NOT PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE.
10:42:17 THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE RICK GARRITY.
10:42:21 RICK, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
10:42:24 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:42:25 >> GOOD MORNING, ALL.
10:42:28 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
10:42:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:42:30 GO AHEAD.
10:42:30 >> THANK YOU.
10:42:32 I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF -- MY NAME IS RICK GARRITY,
10:42:37 SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF LEAGUE OF VOTERS NATURAL RESOURCE
10:42:41 COMMITTEE, AND SPEAKING IN REGARD TO ITEM 59, PURE WATER
10:42:45 PROJECT.
10:42:46 WE SENT A LETTER PREVIOUSLY ON THE PROJECT.
10:42:49 SINCE THEN, CITY STAFF HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH LEAGUE OF
10:42:52 WOMEN VOTERS, TAMPA BAY SIERRA AND FRIEND OF THE RIVER,
10:42:57 THE PURE WATER PROJECT PLANNING WILL BE RESTRUCTURED FROM
10:43:01 $10 MILLION PRELIMINARY DESIGN PROJECT TO A MORE
10:43:04 INCREMENTAL PROJECT, AND REDUCE THE PROJECT OF $650,000.
10:43:11 WE CONCUR IN THIS APPROACH.
10:43:13 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE COST COMPARISON WITH OTHER
10:43:16 ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS A NEIGHBORHOOD IRRIGATION PROJECT
10:43:19 USING RECLAIMED WATER.
10:43:21 WE UNDERSTAND THIS MAY BE MORE COSTLY BUT THE CITY MUST
10:43:24 CONSIDER OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS ULTIMATE ACCEPTANCE BY THE
10:43:29 CITIZENRY.
10:43:30 FOR THE INITIAL STAGE OF THE INCREMENTAL PROJECT WHICH
10:43:34 THE CITY WILL BE INITIATING AN EXTENSIVE EFFORT TO
10:43:36 INVOLVE PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS, ACADEMIC COMMUNITY,
10:43:41 SCIENTIFIC BASED INTEREST GROUPS SUCH AS BAY MANAGEMENT,
10:43:45 TAMPA BAY ESTUARY PROGRAM.
10:43:48 MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR THE PROJECT PURE REVIEW WE
10:43:52 RECOMMEND USING IT FOR SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS ON ALL THE
10:43:57 TREATMENT PROCESSES.
10:43:58 WE ALL WANT THE CITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN WHATEVER PROJECT
10:44:02 IS ULTIMATELY PUT FORWARD.
10:44:04 AND THAT PROJECT MUST BE DEVELOPED WITH CAUTION,
10:44:07 SCIENTIFIC REVIEW AND PUBLIC INPUT SO THAT ULTIMATELY
10:44:11 CUSTOMERS HAVE COMPLETE FAITH IN THE INTEGRITY OF THEIR
10:44:14 WATER SUPPLY.
10:44:15 THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS TO
10:44:18 PARTICIPATE IN THEIR REVIEW OF THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT.
10:44:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:44:23 IS JULIA MANDELL READY?
10:44:25 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE PLEASE UNMUTE
10:44:30 YOURSELF.
10:44:30 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES MONTHS SPEAK.
10:44:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JULIA MANDELL.
10:44:41 OKAY, THEN WE'LL GO TO NANCY STEVENS, LORRAINE PARRINO
10:44:46 AND MICHAEL FANNING.
10:44:47 >>THE CLERK: NANCY STEVENS DID REGISTER BUT SHE DID NOT
10:44:53 PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE SO THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO
10:44:55 BE LORRAINE PARRINO.
10:44:57 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:45:01 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:45:02 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:45:03 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:45:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:45:06 GO AHEAD.
10:45:06 >> I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 59, THE PURE TOILET TO TAP
10:45:11 PROPOSAL AND ALSO ITEM 65, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.
10:45:17 I CAN'T THINK OF A WORSE IDEA THAN PUTTING TREATED SEWAGE
10:45:21 WATER INTO THE AQUIFER, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER
10:45:25 OPTIONS LIKE THE STAR PROGRAM, WHICH WAS INSTITUTED BY
10:45:30 ONE OF OUR MAYORS SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIONS AGO.
10:45:35 I UNDERSTAND THAT MOST OF THE WATER THAT WE DRINK GOES
10:45:38 INTO WATERING OUR LAWNS.
10:45:40 YOU CAN USE THE UNCLAIMED WATER AND THE STAR PROGRAM TO
10:45:43 DO THAT.
10:45:44 THE CITY CAN PROMOTE CONSERVATION PROGRAMS LIKE USING
10:45:48 GROUND COVERS AND XERISCAPING INSTEAD OF GRASS TO WATER.
10:45:56 AND I THINK WHATEVER THE WATER DEPARTMENT WANTS TO DO,
10:46:00 THEY NEED TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
10:46:02 I PROPOSED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS, AND
10:46:08 THIS TIME I THINK THEY TRIED TO DO IT WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC
10:46:11 KNOWLEDGE, THIS UNTREATED SEWAGE WATER TO THE AQUIFER.
10:46:16 I THINK THAT'S THE WORST IDEA I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.
10:46:18 SO PLEASE DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN, AND LET THERE BE MORE
10:46:22 TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS.
10:46:24 ITEM 65, I ALSO THINK IT'S A VERY BAD IDEA TO ALLOW
10:46:31 MULTI-UNIT APARTMENTS TO BE BUILT IN FLOOD AREAS, ZONE A
10:46:39 AND B ARE FLOOD AREAS, EVACUATION AREAS.
10:46:41 I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLAND.
10:46:42 I DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT IN A MAN MADE DISASTER BECAUSE
10:46:46 EVERYBODY FROM SOUTH OF GANDY AND DAVIS ISLAND IS TRYING
10:46:49 TO EVACUATE AT THE SAME TIME.
10:46:52 I CAN FORESEE A MAN MADE DISASTER ON TO A NATURAL
10:46:56 DISASTER IN CASE EVERYBODY IS TOLD TO EVACUATE.
10:46:58 SO I THINK THERE NEED TO BE A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING
10:47:04 LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN FLOOD ZONE AREAS.
10:47:10 SO I ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THAT TOO.
10:47:12 AND PLEASE DON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY THE BUILDERS.
10:47:15 THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
10:47:16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:17 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE CARROLL ANN
10:47:22 BENNETT.
10:47:23 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:47:25 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO BE SPEAK.
10:47:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE CARROLL ANN BENNETT, JOHN
10:47:29 OVINK AND THEN KAREN BUCKENHEIMER.
10:47:35 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT
10:47:39 OF SOUTH TAMPA.
10:47:40 I WANT JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
10:47:44 RENEWABLE ENERGY.
10:47:46 EVERYBODY ELSE GAVE GOOD REASONS SO I WON'T ELABORATE ON
10:47:50 THAT BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE WAY TO GO FOR THE FUTURE.
10:47:52 THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS ON THE TOILET,
10:47:55 TAP AND PURE.
10:47:57 HISTORY IS FULL OF QUOTE-UNQUOTE SOLUTIONS TO PROBLEMS
10:48:02 WHERE THEY TRADE TO CHANGE THE FORCE OF RIVERS AND BAN
10:48:06 THEM AND DO A CROSS FLORIDA BARGE CANAL, INTRODUCE
10:48:11 SPECIES TO CONTROL OTHER SPECIES AND MOST OF THE TIME
10:48:14 THEY WERE DISASTROUS AND CAUSED COST A LOT OF MONEY TO
10:48:18 UNDUE THEM AND THE RESULTS ARE PERMANENT AND NEVER BE
10:48:21 UNDONE.
10:48:21 PUTTING UNCLAIMED WATER IN THE AQUIFER, IT BOGGLES MY
10:48:25 MIND, WHAT A HORRIBLE IDEA.
10:48:27 IT CAN NEVER BE UNDONE.
10:48:29 AND THE RISKS ARE TOO HIGH.
10:48:31 AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME
10:48:35 THAT NATIONWIDE, FLORIDA HAS VERY LOW IMPACT FEES, AND AT
10:48:41 ONE TIME HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WAS ONE OF THE LOWEST IN
10:48:45 FLORIDA, AND I KNOW THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO CORRECT THAT
10:48:48 PROBLEM.
10:48:49 BUT ACCORDING TO JEAN DUNCAN, FEES HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED IN
10:48:55 OVER 20 YEARS.
10:48:56 THE NEW RESIDENTS THAT COME IN HERE ARE PUTTING THE
10:48:58 BURDEN ON OUR SYSTEMS THAT CREATE THE NEED FOR THESE
10:49:02 DRASTIC MEASURES, AND WHAT THEY ARE BEING CHARGED TO COME
10:49:07 HERE IS NOT PAYING FOR THEIR TRUE IMPACT.
10:49:11 AND I ALSO THINK THAT THEY WERE PAYING FOR THEIR TRUE
10:49:14 IMPACT, IT WOULD MAKE THE ONSLAUGHT OF NEW RESIDENTS MORE
10:49:19 MANAGEABLE BECAUSE -- FOR GROUPS TO MOVE HERE AS IT IS IN
10:49:26 OTHER PLACES.
10:49:27 THAT'S MY COMMENT.
10:49:28 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:49:29 I HOPE YOU ALL DO THE RIGHT THING.
10:49:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:49:32 NEXT IS JOHN OPENER.
10:49:37 >>THE CLERK: JOHN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE PLEASE UNMUTE
10:49:40 YOURSELF.
10:49:40 >> I THINK I AM UNMUTED.
10:49:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
10:49:43 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:49:44 MY NAME IS JOHN OVINK, FOUNDING MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE
10:49:48 RIVER, SPEAKING ON ITEM 59 ON BEHALF OF OUR OVER 700
10:49:52 MEMBERS.
10:49:52 WE SUPPORT THE INCREMENTAL APPROACH.
10:49:54 WE SUPPORT THE SCALE BACK REQUEST FOR INITIAL FUNDING IN
10:49:59 THE AMOUNT OF $600,000.
10:50:01 WE RECOMMEND YOU SUPPORT THIS FIRST PHASE AS WELL.
10:50:05 FRIENDS OF THE RIVER IS A CHARTABLE ORGANIZATION FOUNDED
10:50:07 IN 2000 TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE
10:50:10 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
10:50:12 WE HAD TO FILE A LAWSUIT, GET CLEAN FRESHWATER DOWN FROM
10:50:16 THE DAMN AND HERE WE ARE 21 YEARS LATER STILL FIGHTING
10:50:40 ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING CONTAMINATED WATER --
10:50:48 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
10:50:49 WE ARE ALSO PLEASED THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS GUARANTEED
10:50:50 DESIGN ELEMENTS.
10:50:54 MAJOR GOALS OF THE PROJECT IS PROVIDING ALTERNATE SOURCE
10:50:57 FOR MEETING MEDIUM FLOWS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY -- OTHER
10:51:04 ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS -- [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~]
10:51:26 ANOTHER QUESTION, WHAT REMAINS IN THE WATER AFTER
10:51:29 TREATMENT?
10:51:32 MOST OF ALL, WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES?
10:51:35 WE URGE THE CITY TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF ALTERNATIVES
10:51:40 FOR THE WASTEWATER AND AQUIFER.
10:51:45 THESE QUESTIONS MUST ALL BE ANSWERED BEFORE MOVING
10:51:47 FORWARD.
10:51:49 LET IT BE KNOWN THAT SUPPORT OF THE DESIGN PHASE BASED ON
10:51:53 PROMISES TO CONTINUE DOING --
10:51:58 LAST NIGHT WE RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM STAFF THAT SHOWED A
10:52:00 VERY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE.
10:52:02 MY INITIAL OPINION IS THAT THIS VERY STRICT SCHEDULE RUNS
10:52:05 AHEAD OF PROMISES, DEFINITELY RUNS AHEAD OF THE FACTS.
10:52:14 THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN 17 YEARS IN THE MAKING WITH
10:52:18 DIFFERENT NAMES.
10:52:18 WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT IF AND WHEN THE PROJECT MOVES
10:52:22 FORWARD THERE WILL BE CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH
10:52:24 ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, WITH THE PUBLIC, AND THAT THERE --
10:52:29 THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT.
10:52:30 WE NEED TO CONTINUES TO BE VIGILANT, CITY COUNCIL.
10:52:32 AND LET US REALIZE GUARANTEES OF -- WATER ARE MORE
10:52:37 IMPORTANT THAN AN ARBITRARY TIME LIMIT.
10:52:40 ULTIMATELY, WE ARE DECIDING WHAT OUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL
10:52:42 BE DRINKING, WHETHER OUR RIVER WILL BE HEALTHY.
10:52:48 FINALLY, PLEASE, THERE IS NO PLAN B.
10:52:51 BIG OIL DOES NOT CARE, SO PLEASE, CITY COUNCIL, GO FOR
10:52:55 100% ENERGY --
10:53:01 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:53:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT WE HAVE KAREN BUCKENHEIMER,
10:53:04 LOREE SAROKAS, AND SARA HARROWER.
10:53:07 >>THE CLERK: KAREN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE PLEASE UNMUTE
10:53:10 YOURSELF.
10:53:10 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:53:12 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:53:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:53:14 GO AHEAD.
10:53:15 >> PERFECT.
10:53:16 MY NAME IS KAREN BUCKENHEIMER, A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF
10:53:20 SOUTH TAMPA.
10:53:21 AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMUNITY
10:53:24 ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 60, GADSDEN PARK.
10:53:29 MANY OF US SENT LETTERS TO YOU AND CALLED AND SIGNED
10:53:32 PETITIONS, AND YOU DEFINITELY HEARD US.
10:53:35 SO IN AN EFFORT TO DECREASE THE LENGTH OF YOUR MEETING
10:53:37 TODAY, I WILL STOP THERE AND JUST KINDLY ASK YOU TO VOTE
10:53:41 NO FOR ITEM 60.
10:53:44 THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH.
10:53:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:53:47 NEXT IS LOREE SAROKAS.
10:53:54 >>THE CLERK: LOREE, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE
10:53:57 UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:54:06 LOREE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:54:16 YOU ARE NOT UNMUTED.
10:54:17 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:54:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GO TO SARA HARROWER.
10:54:34 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE
10:54:37 YOURSELF.
10:54:38 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:54:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SARA, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, PLEASE
10:54:51 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:54:52 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:54:53 WE'LL SKIP OVER TO DARREN SPENCER.
10:54:57 >>THE CLERK: DARREN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE PLEASE
10:54:59 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:55:00 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:55:01 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:55:02 ITEM 60 AGAIN.
10:55:03 SO I AM GOING TO DO THE SAME THING AND I AM GOING TO KEEP
10:55:06 MY COMMENTS TO A MINIMUM JUST TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE
10:55:08 SUPPORT AND LISTENING THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DID TO US
10:55:13 HERE IN SOUTH TAMPA, TO COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA, GOOD TO
10:55:16 SEE YOU IN GOOD HEALTH, SIR, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
10:55:19 ALL THE SUPPORT FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DO FOR
10:55:23 US.
10:55:24 I APPRECIATE IT.
10:55:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:55:26 THAT WAS DARREN SPENCER FOR THE RECORD.
10:55:29 WHAT ABOUT LOREE SAROKAS OR SARA SPENCER?
10:55:37 >> LOREE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:55:39 THREE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:55:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:55:47 YOU ARE MUTED, LOREE.
10:55:49 IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:55:59 OKAY.
10:56:01 WE HAVE DAVID MECHANIK ON THE LINE, BUT IT SAYS HERE THAT
10:56:04 HE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER 10.
10:56:07 SO I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL
10:56:10 PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:56:10 CORRECT?
10:56:11 OKAY.
10:56:12 AND THEN I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS ONE PERSON ON THE
10:56:15 SECOND FLOOR THAT ARRIVED A LITTLE LATE FOR PUBLIC
10:56:19 COMMENT IN PERSON.
10:56:21 IF THAT PERSON IS HERE AND THEY CAN GO TO THE KIOSK, THIS
10:56:23 WILL BE OUR LAST AND ONLY IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT, IF
10:56:27 THE INDIVIDUAL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
10:56:29 PLEASE APPROACH THE KIOSK AND STATE YOUR NAME.
10:56:40 YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:56:42 GO AHEAD.
10:56:42 >> JOSHUA WALKER.
10:56:46 HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
10:56:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT.
10:56:49 >> SATURDAY JUST PASSED.
10:56:52 I HAD AN INCIDENT WITH TPD.
10:56:54 AND I FEEL LIKE I WAS VIOLATED.
10:56:56 AND I FEEL LIKE MY RIGHTS WAS VIOLATED.
10:57:01 I HAVE BEEN RECORDING THE SITUATION WITH TPD.
10:57:03 AND THE OFFICER BY THE NAME OF PJ GRAY, HE WALKED IN
10:57:06 FRONT OF MY CAMERA AND INTERRUPTED MY VIDEO.
10:57:12 WITH NO RIGHTS AT ALL THAT HE HAD THE RIGHT TO INTERRUPT
10:57:15 ME AT ALL.
10:57:16 I WASN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
10:57:18 EVERYBODY KNEW I WAS THE CAMERAMAN.
10:57:23 EVERY OFFICER KNEW I WAS THE CAMERAMAN.
10:57:25 HE WALKED IN FRONT OF MY CAMERA WITH SO MUCH AUTHORITY HE
10:57:30 IT WAS WRONG.
10:57:31 HE TRADE TO PUT SO MUCH FEAR IN MY HEART.
10:57:33 YOU KNOW.
10:57:34 AND IT WAS WRONG.
10:57:36 YOU KNOW, HE WALKED IN FRONT OF ME, AND HE STATED, WHAT
10:57:40 ARE YOU DOING?
10:57:41 AND I SAID, I'M JUST RECORDING.
10:57:45 AND HE PROCEEDED TO SAY, I CAN PLAY THESE SAME GAMES YOU
10:57:48 ARE PLAYING.
10:57:48 YOU WANT TO PLAY GAMES?
10:57:49 I CAN PLAY GAMES, TOO.
10:57:51 THEN HE ASKED ME FOR MY ID.
10:57:54 BY THE TIME I SAID, MY ID IS AT HOME, HE GRABBED ME AND
10:57:57 PUT ME IN HANDCUFFS AND PUT ME IN THE BACK OF THE POLICE
10:58:00 CAR FOR AN HOUR.
10:58:01 COMPLETELY WRONG.
10:58:05 AND I KNOW CHIEF DUGAN, AND I KNOW OUR MAYOR.
10:58:09 I KNOW THEY WON'T FIND THIS ACCEPTABLE AT ALL.
10:58:12 COMPLETELY WRONG.
10:58:14 I'M GOING TO BE HONEST.
10:58:15 IF I WAS A WHITE GUY IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED, PERIOD,
10:58:18 IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
10:58:19 IF I WAS IN CARROLLWOOD, DAVIS ISLAND, BAYSHORE,
10:58:24 SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
10:58:27 THIS OFFICER COMPLETELY DISRESPECTED ME AND VIOLATED MY
10:58:30 CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:58:32 PJ GRAY.
10:58:33 PJ GRAY.
10:58:34 THAT'S HIS NAME.
10:58:35 OFFICER PJ GRAY.
10:58:37 HE VIOLATED MY RIGHTS.
10:58:40 AND IT'S NOT RIGHT AT ALL.
10:58:42 I HAVE THE AUDIO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY.
10:58:45 >> I CAN STAY HERE ALL DAY LONG WITH YOU, ALL DAY LONG.
10:58:57 >> ME TOO, BUDDY.
10:58:59 WE'LL PLAY YOUR GAME.
10:59:01 WE'LL PLAY YOUR GAME ALL DAY.
10:59:04 HUH?
10:59:04 OH, GOOD, GIVE ME ID.
10:59:15 IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THE GAMES, I CAN PLAY THE SAME GAMES
10:59:18 YOU ARE PLAYING.
10:59:18 I KNOW CHIEF DUGAN.
10:59:25 THIS OFFICER NEEDS TO BE FIRED.
10:59:27 PERIOD.
10:59:31 HE DO NOT NEED TO HAVE A BADGE.
10:59:33 HE DO NOT UPHOLD THE POLICE STANDARD.
10:59:36 HE IS COMPLETELY WRONG.
10:59:39 SO I AM ASKING FOR CHIEF DUGAN, I'M ASKING FOR MAYOR
10:59:42 CASTOR, TO FIRE THE GUY, INVESTIGATE THIS GUY, OR DOING
10:59:46 SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG.
10:59:48 I WAS VIOLATED MY CIVIL RIGHTS WAS VIOLATED.
10:59:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:59:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID GET A CALL ABOUT
10:59:56 THAT.
11:00:00 THE GENTLEMAN CALLED MY OFFICE.
11:00:04 I DID TELL HIM WHAT HIS RIGHTS WERE.
11:00:08 IF HE FEELS HIS RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED HE HAS THE RIGHT TO
11:00:10 GO TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT, AND
11:00:14 THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
11:00:16 AND AGAIN, I KNOW PJ GRAY.
11:00:22 I DON'T NOT WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
11:00:23 I WASN'T THERE.
11:00:24 BUT I WANT THE CITIZENS TO KNOW THERE IS AN AVENUE WHEN
11:00:28 COMPLAINTS ARE MADE TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO BE VETTED.
11:00:31 SO AGAIN THAT GENTLEMAN WAS TOLD WHAT TO DO.
11:00:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:38 MADAM CHAIR --
11:00:41 >> LOREE SAROKAS IS ON THE LINE NOW.
11:00:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LOREE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
11:00:49 SPEAK.
11:00:50 IF YOU WILL UNMUTE YOURSELF.
11:00:56 LOREE, GO AHEAD.
11:00:57 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
11:01:06 IS SHE STILL MUTED?
11:01:07 >>THE CLERK: LOREE, YOU ARE ON.
11:01:13 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
11:01:15 WE CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER MUTED.
11:01:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LOREE, GO AHEAD.
11:01:34 OKAY.
11:01:35 WELL, WE WILL MOVE AHEAD THEN.
11:01:39 DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION
11:01:41 OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
11:01:45 YOU HAVE SIX?
11:01:46 OKAY, GO AHEAD.
11:01:47 >> PREMICE MIDEL RODRIGUEZ. I LIVE IN THE UNIVERSITY
11:01:57 AREA, ZIP CODE 33613.
11:02:00 I AM CALLING TO REPORT THAT I AM TIRED OF HEARING MORE
11:02:05 AND MORE INCIDENTS OF TAMPA POLICE -- THE TAMPA POLICE
11:02:08 DEPARTMENT HARASSING OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS IN TAMPA IN
11:02:14 VARIOUS PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND FOR OUR PARK AREA IN
11:02:18 DOWNTOWN TAMPA, AND SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE UNIVERSITY
11:02:21 AREA, FOREST HILLS.
11:02:25 SPECIFICALLY, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC OFFICERS LIKE
11:02:29 OFFICER GRIFFIN BADGE 3548 WHO SPECIFICALLY TARGETED SOME
11:02:33 OF OUR HOUSELESS FRIENDS DOWNTOWN AND GAVE THEM A
11:02:38 VIOLATION, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, FOR LEAVING OR STEPPED OUTSIDE
11:02:44 ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
11:02:45 WELL, WE PAY TAXES FOR THAT PROPERTY.
11:02:48 PUBLIC SPACE BELONGS TO US, THE COMMUNITY.
11:02:50 SO WHY ARE WE GIVING PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY UNHOUSED
11:02:54 DURING A PANDEMIC A VIOLATION OR A FEE JUST BECAUSE THEY
11:02:58 STORE THEIR THINGS OUTSIDE?
11:03:00 THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO.
11:03:01 BUT HOW CAN WE FIND A SOLUTION TO THIS?
11:03:04 WELL, MAYBE IF YOU ALL DECIDED TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE
11:03:07 COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL SERVICES RATHER THAN SPENDING ALL OF
11:03:10 THIS MONEY ON THE POLICE, THINGS THAT WE DON'T NEED
11:03:14 BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU TIRELESSLY THAT WE DON'T
11:03:17 WANT ANY MORE FUND INVESTED IN THE POLICE, WE DON'T WANT
11:03:22 ANY MORE MONEY GIVEN TO THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T DO
11:03:24 ANYTHING TO KEEP THIS COMMUNITY SAFE AT ALL.
11:03:26 AND INSTEAD, WE ARE NOW DISPLACING MORE AND MORE UNHOUSED
11:03:30 FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY DURING THE PANDEMIC, OKAY, BECAUSE
11:03:35 OF THE RIDICULOUS EVENT THAT'S COMING, THE SUPER BOWL
11:03:38 THIS SUNDAY.
11:03:39 IT IS RIDICULOUS.
11:03:41 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOU ALL ARE INSANE.
11:03:45 THIS IS UNREAL.
11:03:46 AND THE CITY DECIDES TO GIVE ALL OF THIS MONEY TO THE
11:03:51 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THE OFFICERS OR THE
11:03:54 HILLSBOROUGH SHERIFF OR WHATEVER, INSTEAD OF YOUR OWN
11:03:57 COMMUNITY.
11:03:58 YOU ALL CLAIM TO CARE BUT YOU REALLY DON'T.
11:04:02 WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU ALL TO CARE AND HAVE SOME KIND
11:04:05 OF DECENCY AND HUMANITY AND COMPASSION?
11:04:09 SERIOUSLY.
11:04:11 PLEASE.
11:04:13 TELL OFFICER GRIFFIN THAT 548 ALONG WITH HIS BUDDIES TO
11:04:17 STOP HARRASSING OUR HOUSELESS FRIENDS ALL OVER OUR
11:04:21 COMMUNITY.
11:04:22 THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE AND DISGUSTING.
11:04:24 WE DON'T WANT IT. WE WANT EQUITY.
11:04:29 WE WANT SOCIAL SERVICES.
11:04:30 WE WANT EDUCATION, HOUSING.
11:04:32 WE WANT MORE MONEY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
11:04:34 WE NEED MORE FUNDS DURING A PANDEMIC, AND YOU ALL ARE NOT
11:04:38 DOING ANYTHING TO FIX IT OR HELP.
11:04:42 I'M TIRED.
11:04:43 WE ARE ALL TIRED OF IT.
11:04:45 HOW MANY MORE TIMES, HOW MANY MORE CITIZENS DOES IT TAKE,
11:04:48 HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE DOES IT TAKE TO COME TO A MEETING
11:04:51 AND LET YOU -- (AUDIO DROP)
11:04:59 >> MARILYN WILLICK, 2502 ST. CHARLOTTE ROAD, TAMPA 33618,
11:05:03 AND I AM CALLING TO EXPRESS MY DEEP CONCERN THAT THE OLD
11:05:09 FAMILIAR TACTICS RETURNED IN AN EFFORT TO DERAIL THE
11:05:13 TRANSMISSION OF OUR CITY TO 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY BY
11:05:16 2030.
11:05:16 THESE ANTI-CLAIM ENERGY BILLS ARE BEING INTRODUCED TO
11:05:21 ATTACK OUR RIGHT FOR CLEAN AIR AND ENERGY.
11:05:24 RENEWABLES ARE A GROWING OPTION AND DOABLE.
11:05:27 FOSSIL FUELS ARE HISTORY.
11:05:29 THIS EFFORT TO DERAIL THIS EFFORT IS OF DEEP CONCERN.
11:05:33 PLEASE CONTINUE WITH OUR BOLD ACTIONS TO HAVE A REALISTIC
11:05:37 FUTURE TO STOP PIPELINES AND DIRTY POWER PLANTS AND DON'T
11:05:42 LET THESE CORPORATIONS PREVENT OUR CITIES FROM INSTALLING
11:05:45 LARGE SCALE SOLAR PROJECTS AS WE SEE FIT.
11:05:49 GAS AND OIL GIANTS ARE LOBBYING HEAVILY DOES NOT MEAN
11:05:53 THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN POWER TO CONTINUE THIS POLLUTION.
11:05:55 TAMPA NEEDS TO SEE CLEARLY THE FUTURE IS MOVING TO 100%
11:06:00 CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY AND AWAY FROM OUR FOSSIL FUELS.
11:06:03 THANK YOU SO MUCH AND PLEASE THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT THIS.
11:06:08 GOOD-BYE.
11:06:08 >> ANGEL D'ANGELO CALLING FOR THE FEBRUARY 4, THURSDAY
11:06:18 MORNING MEETING.
11:06:19 HOPEFULLY EVERYONE IS DOING WELL.
11:06:20 AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE A SUPER BOWL COMING UP.
11:06:22 I GUESS OUR TEAM IS IN IT.
11:06:27 YAHOO.
11:06:28 IT WOULD BE GREAT IF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WERE NOT
11:06:31 AMPING UP THE HARASSMENT OF OUR HOUSELESS NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:06:35 THEY ARE PART OF OUR CITY JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE
11:06:37 AND THEY DESERVE RESPECT.
11:06:39 THIS CITY COUNCIL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE HOUSING
11:06:41 LAST YEAR BUT PEOPLE OF THE COALITION DID A SURVEY AND
11:06:46 FOUND A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE TAMPA RESIDENTS WE SURVEYED
11:06:50 THAT WE SHOULD MOVE AT LEAST $30 MILLION OUT OF TPD'S
11:06:53 BUDGET AND PUT IT INTO PROGRAMS INCLUDING HOUSING.
11:06:57 INSTEAD YOU GAVE TPD 13 MILLION MORE AND MORE SINCE THEN
11:07:02 AND WONDER WHY WE HAVE A BIG EVENT LIKE THE BIG
11:07:05 BASKETBALL GAUGES, HOCKEY OR SUPER BOWL, TAMPA
11:07:07 CONSTANTLY -- POLICE FORCE HARASS THE HOUSELESS.
11:07:14 IT DOESN'T WORK.
11:07:15 I GUESS IT DOES WORK.
11:07:18 IT IS NOT HELPING THE HOUSELESS PROBLEM.
11:07:22 IF YOU WANT TO STOP IT, YOU COULD.
11:07:24 YOU COULD.
11:07:25 YOU HEARD THAT TAMPA EMPLOYEE THAT WAS PART OF THE
11:07:29 HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THEY NEED FUNDING.
11:07:33 ALL OF YOU SAT THERE ASKING LIKE YOU ARE HELPLESS BUT YOU
11:07:36 HAVE DONE NOTHING TO HELP HER, TO HELP US.
11:07:39 THE POWER OF YOUR VOTE AND YOUR VOICE.
11:07:41 BUT ALL SEVEN OF YOU APPROVED THE BUDGET OF 13 MILLION
11:07:44 EXTRA DOLLARS TO TPD, THAT BENEFITS THE UNION.
11:07:49 A MAJORITY OF THEM DON'T LIVE HERE.
11:07:51 CHIEF DUGAN DOESN'T EVEN LIVE HERE.
11:07:54 HE'S VIOLENCE.
11:07:55 HE SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACK ACTIVISTS, THE
11:07:59 DOXXING, THE TRUMPED UP CHARGES ALL GETTING DROPPED.
11:08:03 IT'S -- YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES.
11:08:06 BUT GIVING THEM MORE MONEY, INCREASE BY 24%.
11:08:11 LET'S GIVE THEM MORE MONEY.
11:08:13 BUT LET'S NOT HELP THE HOUSELESS.
11:08:15 IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
11:08:18 BUT IT'S NOT GIVING YOU OR PRETENDING THAT IT'S GIVING.
11:08:23 IT'S NOT ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:08:25 YOU CAN PRETEND IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:08:29 LET'S BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
11:08:32 IT IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
11:08:34 SO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK GOOD TO ALL THESE
11:08:37 VISITORS FROM THE SUPER BOWL.
11:08:39 WE DON'T LOOK GOOD.
11:08:40 WE LOOK TERRIBLE.
11:08:42 ABOUT 13% HAVE NO HEALTH CARE ACCESS.
11:08:45 UNACCEPTABLE.
11:08:47 WE ARE A HUGE CITY AND WE WANT TO GROW AND BRING IN MORE,
11:08:50 AND BECAUSE OF SYSTEMIC RACISM, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
11:08:53 WHO ARE BLACK OR BROWN, DISABLED, TRANSGENDER, GAY, WE
11:08:57 ARE, PLEASE DO SOMETHING AND GET TPD OFF OF THE HOUSELESS
11:09:02 PEOPLE.
11:09:03 DON'T HARASS THEM AND DO SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY WORKS
11:09:05 FOR PEOPLE FOR ONCE, PLEASE.
11:09:07 THANKS.
11:09:07 >> THIS IS DR. BRUCE SHEPHERD, NETTLE CREEK ROAD, TAMPA,
11:09:18 FLORIDA 33624.
11:09:21 I'M HOPING YOU WILL STAND AGAINST HOUSE BILL 1, IT'S
11:09:26 DUPLICATIVE AND DOES NOT ADD ANYTHING, AND MAY IN FACT BE
11:09:31 ANTI-DEMOCRATIC IN ITS IMPACT.
11:09:33 ALSO, WE NEED TO MOVE TOWARD CLEAN ENERGY BY 2030.
11:09:39 WE NEED TO BE 100% CLEAN ENERGY BY THEN.
11:09:42 WE NEED TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DO THE RIGHT THING.
11:09:44 THANK YOU.
11:09:45 >> MY NAME IS B. TRELLA. I'M A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA,
11:09:51 ZIP CODE 33611.
11:09:56 I WAS CALLING ON FILE P-R-C-21-66238 IN REGARD TO GADSDEN
11:10:07 PARK, AND THE WATER SKI, NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THE NAME
11:10:13 OF IT IS, BUT I WAS CALLING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I WOULD
11:10:17 LIKE TO HAVE THE COUNCIL REJECT ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
11:10:24 THIS WATER SKI ASSOCIATION TO STORE OR HOUSE ANY
11:10:27 EQUIPMENT AT GADSDEN PARK.
11:10:29 GADSDEN PARK IS NOT A BUSINESS.
11:10:31 IT'S FUNDED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, TO BE USED FOR THE SOLE
11:10:36 PURPOSE FOR RECREATION, AND TO BE FREE.
11:10:38 SECONDLY, SOUTH TAMPA IS ALREADY BEING COMPLETELY
11:10:42 OVERBUILT WITH NO MODE OF VIABLE TRANSPORTATION.
11:10:46 THE FACT WE WOULD BE ADDING MORE CARS AND TRAFFIC GOING
11:10:49 SOUTH OF GANDY JUST BLOWS MY MIND.
11:10:52 I REALLY HOPE YOU ALL LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS, LISTEN
11:10:56 TO THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA, AND YOU REJECT ITEM
11:11:00 NUMBER 60 ON THE AGENDA ON FEBRUARY 4th AND DO NOT
11:11:04 ALLOW THE WATER SKI TO COME INTO GADSDEN PARK.
11:11:10 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:11 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
11:11:16 THIS IS DONNA RINK.
11:11:17 I LIVE AT 3905 SOUTH DREXLE AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33611.
11:11:24 AND I LIVE NEAR THE YMCA ON HIMES.
11:11:28 MY HUSBAND AND I GO DOWN TO GADSDEN PARK SEVERAL DAYS PER
11:11:32 WEEK TO WALK AROUND THE LAKE, AND ENJOY THE PEACE AND
11:11:36 QUIET OF THE AREA.
11:11:38 EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE LOTS OF LARGE JETS GOING OVER OUR
11:11:42 HEADS, THE BEAUTIFUL LAKE AND OFTEN ANIMALS THAT WE SEE
11:11:47 THERE, TURTLES, BIRDS, RABBITS, SQUIRRELS, LOTS OF
11:11:54 SEVERAL ANIMALS, ENHANCE THIS AREA.
11:11:58 WE FEEL THAT 22-ACRE POND IS WAY TOO SMALL FOR SKI SHOWS,
11:12:03 AND REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY A PROFESSIONAL SKI TEAM
11:12:07 WOULD BE USING A CITY PARK.
11:12:11 SO IT ALSO IS SET UP FOR FISHING.
11:12:15 I FEEL THAT THIS WOULD DISRUPT THE WHOLE SPHERE OF TRYING
11:12:18 TO FISH IN THIS LAKE.
11:12:20 I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY REGARDING
11:12:23 THIS, AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS ON THE SIDE OF NOT USING
11:12:28 GADSDEN FOR THIS TYPE OF EVENT.
11:12:31 I'M HOPING MY COMMENTS GET HEARD OR AT LEAST PRESENTED IN
11:12:35 WRITTEN FORM.
11:12:38 AND WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
11:12:42 THERE'S VERY LITTLE LEFT SOUTH OF GANDY, AND RECREATION
11:12:47 FOR, YOU KNOW, SO MANY OF US.
11:12:51 THERE'S ALSO VERY LITTLE PARKING THERE.
11:12:53 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD ACCOMMODATE CARS THAT WOULD
11:12:57 BE IN THIS AREA.
11:12:58 AND A LOT OF DEAD-END, ONE-WAY STREETS, RIGHT OUTSIDE.
11:13:05 SO PLEASE CONSIDER, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST MAKING THIS INTO
11:13:09 A RECREATIONAL SKI TEAM PARK, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT
11:13:13 REALLY WOULD BE DOING.
11:13:15 THANK YOU AGAIN FOR LISTENING.
11:13:17 TAKE CARE.
11:13:18 MY PHONE NUMBER IS 813-837-9000.
11:13:21 I ALSO OWN A HOUSE AT 3416 BALLAST POINT, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:13:26 SO I HAVE A HOUSE, AND I HAVE A HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE
11:13:31 OF GANDY AND HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS AREA SINCE I
11:13:35 WAS ACTUALLY IN THE SECOND GRADE, SO I HAVE A VESTED
11:13:39 INTEREST IN SOUTH TAMPA.
11:13:41 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
11:13:42 HAVE A GREAT DAY.
11:13:46 BYE-BYE.
11:13:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:13:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:13:49 ANY REQUESTS BY THE PUBLIC FOR RECONSIDERATION OF
11:13:52 LEGISLATIVE MATTERS?
11:13:55 OKAY.
11:13:56 WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 3.
11:14:01 WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED.
11:14:03 WE HAVE A MEMO FROM CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT CITY
11:14:07 ATTORNEY.
11:14:11 IF SHE'S ON THE LINE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
11:14:13 I KNOW THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE BELOW.
11:14:15 >>CATE WELLS: THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A SUBSTITUTE
11:14:19 ORDINANCE.
11:14:22 THE ONLY INFORMATION CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL CRAFT IS
11:14:25 THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE.
11:14:27 WE ARE REQUESTING THAT IT BE EFFECTIVE ON MARCH 15th,
11:14:32 2021, AND THE REASON FOR THIS, WHEN COUNCIL APPROVED THIS
11:14:38 AMENDMENT BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2019, THE TITLE OF THE
11:14:41 ORDINANCE WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WAS ADDRESSING VARIOUS
11:14:45 OTHER AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 27.
11:14:48 SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THIS BE RETURNED ON FIRST
11:14:51 READING BASED ON THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE.
11:14:54 THANK YOU.
11:14:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:14:59 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:15:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MS. WELLS, FOR YOUR
11:15:05 PROFESSIONAL WORK AS ALWAYS.
11:15:07 ALSO, ABBEY AND LACHONE, I SEE YOU THERE, AND I ASSUME
11:15:12 YOU ARE ALL WORKING ON THIS, TOO.
11:15:15 WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME CONCERNS FROM SOME OF THE
11:15:18 NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF GANDY AND ALSO DAVIS ISLAND,
11:15:24 ET CETERA, IN REGARD TO ADOPTING THIS.
11:15:28 AND I INQUIRED WITH YOU, MS. WELLS AND MS. GRIMES,
11:15:33 YESTERDAY ABOUT THE URGENCY OR EXIGENCY OR THE NEED TO
11:15:40 ADOPT THIS NOW, AND YOU RESPONDED AND SAID THAT TO
11:15:47 REFLECT THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE, THAT WE ARE MAKING TO
11:15:51 THE FEMA REGS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK I AGREE
11:15:56 WITH YOU.
11:15:56 SO I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO SUPPORT WHAT WE ARE DOING
11:15:58 TODAY.
11:15:58 BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW
11:16:03 IF THERE'S ANY STRENUOUS OBJECTIONS, IS DURING THE
11:16:08 DISCUSSION, SOMEBODY E-MAILED ME, A RESIDENT E-MAILED ME
11:16:12 PART OF THE ST. PETE CODE THAT ADDRESSED THIS ISSUE, BUT
11:16:18 THEY HAD SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS AS RELATED TO HEIGHTS,
11:16:25 AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE ALL OVER THE
11:16:28 STATE.
11:16:29 AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ST. PETE STANDARD, I REALIZED
11:16:33 NOT ONLY DID IT ADDRESS THE HEIGHTS BUT IT ALSO ADDRESSED
11:16:36 THE MASS, THE MASSING.
11:16:40 AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AT SOME POINT,
11:16:43 MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M OKAY WITH GOING FORWARD WITH THIS
11:16:46 TODAY, BECAUSE I REALIZE THERE ARE LEGAL AND PRACTICAL
11:16:50 REASONS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IF WE COULD EFFECTIVELY BE
11:16:53 DOING A MORATORIUMS ON SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT HAPPEN TO
11:16:56 BE IN THESE TYPE OF AREAS.
11:17:01 AND COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
11:17:04 BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, AND I CAN DO IT BY
11:17:08 MOTION LATER OR NOW, IS THAT PERHAPS OVER THE NEXT SIX
11:17:13 MONTHS THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO EXPLORE WHAT
11:17:19 ST. PETERSBURG HAS DONE IN THEIR CODE TO ADDRESS SOME OF
11:17:22 THESE MASSING ISSUES.
11:17:24 IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ARE BUILDING A BIG HOUSE, A BIG
11:17:31 BLOCK HOUSE, 35 FEET ABOVE THE HE WILL VISION, WHICH
11:17:35 ULTIMATELY COULD MAKE IT 45 FEET TALL, WHAT ARE SOME OF
11:17:41 THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS DOING TO ADDRESS THE MASSING
11:17:44 AND THAT SORT OF THING?
11:17:45 SO, ANYWAY, THAT'S MY LONG-WINDED THOUGHT ON THIS,
11:17:50 MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:17:51 WHENEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT EITHER NOW OR I CAN DO IT
11:17:53 AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
11:17:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:17:56 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:17:57 IF YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ
11:18:00 THE SUBSTITUTE.
11:18:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM NOT IN THE POSITION TO READ THE
11:18:05 ORDINANCE, BUT WHATEVER YOU WANT ME TO DO THE MOTION
11:18:09 AFTER THE ORDINANCE, I WILL BE GLAD TO.
11:18:11 >>> GREAT.
11:18:12 WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE?
11:18:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR.
11:18:18 DID YOU WANT TO DO IT, COUNCILMAN GUDES?
11:18:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU BEAT ME TO IT.
11:18:23 GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:18:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: E-2021-8-CHAPTER 27, SUBSTITUTE
11:18:28 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
11:18:30 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE CITY OF TAMPA RELATINGS TO
11:18:32 DEFINITIONS OF HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS MAKING REVISIONS TO
11:18:36 THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING
11:18:43 AND LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43,
11:18:47 DEFINITIONS, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
11:18:50 ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR
11:18:53 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:18:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
11:19:00 CITRO.
11:19:01 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:19:02 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:19:05 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:19:06 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:19:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:19:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:19:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:19:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:19:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:19:18 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:19:21 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MARCH
11:19:24 4th, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M.
11:19:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:19:30 >>BILL CARLSON: [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:19:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MIKE.
11:19:33 YOUR MIKE.
11:19:34 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANTED TO SAY I VOTED YES FOR IT
11:19:37 WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION WILL
11:19:41 PASS, BECAUSE I THINK WE STILL HAVE ISSUES WE NEED TO
11:19:44 ADDRESS.
11:19:45 THANK YOU.
11:19:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:19:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:19:49 THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.
11:19:50 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION DIRECTING AND REQUESTING
11:19:54 THAT STAFF REVISIT THIS ISSUE OF HEIGHT AND MASS, AND
11:20:05 LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND HOW THEY TREAT THIS
11:20:07 ISSUE, INCLUDING ST. PETERSBURG, TO SEE IF WE CAN TWEAK
11:20:14 OUR PROVISIONS IN CHAPTER 27 AND ELSEWHERE TO TRY AND
11:20:20 ADDRESS THE MASS ISSUE.
11:20:22 >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
11:20:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:20:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:20:27 IS THERE A DATE THAT HE WANTS THIS TO COME BACK?
11:20:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A DATE, MR. DINGFELDER?
11:20:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, WE CAN GIVE STAFF A FAIR AMOUNT
11:20:38 OF TIME.
11:20:39 SIX MONTHS IS FINE WITH ME.
11:20:40 AND MS. FEELEY HAD HER HAND UP.
11:20:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. FEELEY, GO AHEAD.
11:20:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:20:48 JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THAT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:20:52 IF IN FACT THIS WOULD BE FOR THE MASSING OF THOSE
11:20:54 STRUCTURES THAT ARE ELEVATED, WITH THE FLOOD ELEVATION?
11:21:00 OKAY.
11:21:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:21:02 YES.
11:21:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ABOUT AUGUST 26th?
11:21:09 THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
11:21:11 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
11:21:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF THAT WORKS WITH MS. DOCK AND MRS.
11:21:16 FEELEY, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
11:21:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:21:19 YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN.
11:21:26 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK
11:21:28 BEFORE ITEM 57 AS WELL, BOTH THOSE ITEMS RELATED TO THE
11:21:33 FLOOD MAP UPDATE AND THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE WOULD BE
11:21:37 DONE WITH THOSE FOR THIS MORNING.
11:21:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS AND THEN GO
11:21:41 TO 57.
11:21:41 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO ADD TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S
11:21:45 MOTION, AND YOU COULD ADD THIS AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR
11:21:48 JUST AN IDEA FOR STAFF, PART OF THE CONCERN ALSO HAS COME
11:21:51 UP ABOUT AESTHETICS, ESPECIALLY ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL, AND
11:21:55 SO THERE'S THE ISSUE OF MASSING BUT ALSO AESTHETICS.
11:21:58 AND TO THE EXTENT YOU SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES ADDRESSING
11:22:01 THE AESTHETICS, I WOULD APPRECIATE ANY FEEDBACK OR
11:22:04 SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:22:04 THANK YOU.
11:22:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY
11:22:08 AMENDMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:22:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:22:10 WE HAVE A METEOROLOGIST FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:22:13 WHO WAS THE SECOND?
11:22:14 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:22:16 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:22:17 THIS IS FOR AUGUST 26th.
11:22:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:22:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:22:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:22:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:22:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:22:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:22:31 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:22:32 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:22:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AS MS. FEELEY SUGGESTED, LET'S GO TO
11:22:38 NUMBER 57 SO WE CAN WRAP THIS ALL UP.
11:22:41 ITEM NUMBER 57.
11:22:43 WAIT WAIT A MINUTE, CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE 9:30
11:22:46 PUBLIC HEARINGS?
11:22:47 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:22:48 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:22:50 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:22:51 ALL RIGHT.
11:22:51 ITEM NUMBER 57.
11:23:01 ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON IT?
11:23:03 MS. WELLS?
11:23:04 >>CATE WELLS: ITEM 57 IS SECOND READING ON THE ORDINANCE
11:23:15 AMENDING SECTION 5-111 OF THE FLOOD RESISTANT
11:23:20 CONSTRUCTION PROVISION.
11:23:22 THE SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE IS BEFORE YOU SIMPLY REQUESTING
11:23:24 THAT THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS MARCH 15th OF 2021.
11:23:29 THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE ORDINANCE BETWEEN FIRST
11:23:31 AND SECOND READING.
11:23:32 THANK YOU.
11:23:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:23:35 SEEING THAT IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN
11:23:38 THE PUBLIC THAT IS REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 57?
11:23:41 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE IS REGISTERED.
11:23:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOBODY DOWN
11:23:46 BELOW.
11:23:47 I AM ASKING, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE IN THE KIOSK TO SPEAK
11:23:49 ON ITEM NUMBER 57?
11:23:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
11:23:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMEMBER
11:23:59 MIRANDA.
11:23:59 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:24:00 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:24:02 ANY OPPOSED?
11:24:03 COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON, WOULD YOU MIND READING THE
11:24:05 SUBSTITUTE TO 57?
11:24:06 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE A SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE BEING
11:24:13 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE
11:24:15 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA MAKING COMPREHENSIVE
11:24:17 REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 5,
11:24:20 BUILDING CODE, REPEALING AND REPLACING IN ITS ENTIRETY
11:24:23 SECTION 5-111, FLOOD RESISTANT CONSTRUCTION, ADOPTING
11:24:28 LOCAL ADMINISTRATIVE AND TECHNICAL AMENDMENT TO THE
11:24:31 FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, APPLICABILITY, REPEALING ALL
11:24:35 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH,
11:24:38 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:24:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
11:24:44 VIERA.
11:24:45 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:24:45 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:24:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:24:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:24:53 YES.
11:24:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:24:55 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:24:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:24:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:25:00 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:25:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T SEE COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER ON
11:25:05 THE LINE, ON THE SCREEN.
11:25:07 IS HE THERE?
11:25:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE ARE FOUR IMAGES BUT HE WAS
11:25:12 THERE AND I HEARD HIM SAY YES.
11:25:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY, THANK YOU.
11:25:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:25:17 ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:25:24 ITEM NUMBER 4.
11:25:25 WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS?
11:25:26 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:25:32 ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
11:25:35 THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 27-228 BEFORE YOU THIS
11:25:39 MORNING FOR FIRST READING.
11:25:45 WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE.
11:26:01 THIS WAS THE PDA TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS WORKSHOPPED WITH
11:26:10 YOU JUST A WEEK AGO.
11:26:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T SEE IT ON OUR SCREEN YET.
11:26:21 WE DON'T SEE THE PRESENTATION.
11:26:22 IF THEY CAN PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
11:26:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS FIRST READING.
11:26:28 IT'S NOT SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING TODAY.
11:26:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PER THE CLERK, WE DID NOT RECEIVE A
11:26:34 PRESENTATION FOR THIS.
11:26:40 MR. SHELBY, WOULD IT BE OKAY TO PROCEED ORALLY AND THEN
11:26:43 BY SECOND READING THEY CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION UP IF NEED
11:26:46 BE?
11:26:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THAT WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
11:26:50 THAT WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY, SIR.
11:26:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MS. FEELEY.
11:26:55 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT'S OKAY.
11:26:55 THIS IS THE MODIFICATION AS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK FOR THE
11:26:58 PDA TEXT AMENDMENT.
11:26:59 THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT, AND THIS WOULD
11:27:07 MODIFY THE 60-20 AND TO ALSO CLEAN UP SOME OF OUR
11:27:17 LANGUAGE, AND A COUPLE OTHER MINOR MODIFICATIONS.
11:27:22 AFTER WE GET OUT OF THIS CYCLE, COUNCIL, I HAVE ASKED
11:27:26 STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE PRESENTATIONS FROM SECOND
11:27:28 READING TO FIRST READING AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH NEW
11:27:32 CYCLES THAT COME BEFORE YOU IN ORDER TO ALLOW YOU TO HAVE
11:27:38 THAT CONVERSATION AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT WOULD
11:27:40 BE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
11:27:42 THAT BEING SAID, WE DID HAVE THE WORKSHOP.
11:27:46 THERE WAS NO OBJECTION.
11:27:50 THERE WERE NO REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS TO THE TEXT.
11:27:54 WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL THIS MORNING.
11:27:57 I BELIEVE MR. HUDSON WAS AROUND FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I
11:28:01 AM NOT SURE IF HE IS ON THE LINE.
11:28:03 HE WAS HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
11:28:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE WAS HERE IN PERSON.
11:28:07 HE'S HERE IN PERSON.
11:28:09 MR. MIRANDA, GO AHEAD, SIR, BEFORE WE GO --
11:28:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM JUST GOING TO SAY, I READ THIS
11:28:14 THING, AND WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
11:28:23 IT HAS NO SPECIFICS.
11:28:26 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PARCELS, ALL NORTH OF
11:28:35 FOWLER AVENUE AND SOUTH OF FOWLER AVENUE.
11:28:39 WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS?
11:28:41 IS IT YBOR CITY, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, HARBOR ISLAND?
11:28:45 SO I'M AT A LOSS AS TO SAY YAY OR NAY, BECAUSE THIS IS A
11:28:50 MYSTERY TO ME.
11:28:51 THEN IN THE BOTTOM THERE'S A LITTLE NOTE SAYS DOES NOT
11:28:54 INCLUDE POTENTIAL AGGREGATE INFORMATION OF PROJECTS TO
11:28:57 ACHIEVE THE MINIMUM 20-ACRE THRESHOLD.
11:29:01 DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE 20 ACRES AND YOU
11:29:03 HAVE TO BUY MORE LAND?
11:29:06 THERE'S WORDING HERE THAT --
11:29:15 >>ABBYE FEELEY: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT
11:29:19 FOR YOU.
11:29:20 ALSO I WANT TO WELCOME YOU BACK.
11:29:21 IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU.
11:29:23 WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS A GENERAL TEXT AMENDMENT, THE
11:29:27 PROVISIONS OF THE PDA DISTRICT.
11:29:31 SO THIS COUNCIL IS MOST FAMILIAR WITH PD DISTRICTS WHICH
11:29:34 COME TO YOU WITH THAT SITE PLAN.
11:29:37 WE HAVE PDA DISTRICTS WHICH ARE LARGER PLAN DISTRICTS,
11:29:41 THEY ARE MOSTLY IN TAMPA PALMS.
11:29:43 WE DO HAVE A COUPLE LARGER ONES THAT ARE IN CHANNELSIDE,
11:29:49 THE AQUARIUM, AN OLD PDA.
11:29:52 THERE ARE SEVERAL PDAs, I BELIEVE, INTERNATIONAL PLAZA
11:29:58 IS ALSO A PDA.
11:30:00 SOME MORE RECENT ONES WERE THE HEIGHTS IS A PDA.
11:30:05 SO BACK IN 2008, CATHERINE COYLE PUT IN A 50-ACRE MINIMUM
11:30:11 TO FILE FOR A PDA ZONING DISTRICT.
11:30:14 AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE MANY PARCELS THAT ARE 50 ACRES.
11:30:22 WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE YEARS IS LIKE A PD
11:30:28 HYBRID, AND THAT IS A PD THAT HAS AN INCREMENTAL SITE
11:30:31 PLAN APPROVAL, BECAUSE EVEN OUR LARGER PROJECTS LIKEN
11:30:34 CORE AT 29 ACRES IS VERY DIFFICULT, TO SITE PLAN 29 ACRES
11:30:41 ALL AT ONE TIME WHEN IT COMES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR
11:30:43 APPROVAL.
11:30:45 FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS LOOKING TO REDUCE THAT 50-ACRE
11:30:49 MINIMUM THAT WAS PUT IN THE CODE IN 2008 BACK DOWN TO A
11:30:55 MORE APPLICABLE ACREAGE, SO TO SPEAK, THAT WE WOULD
11:30:59 ACTUALLY HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR,
11:31:02 AND WE WOULD STOP USING THAT HYBRID, AND WE WOULD OPEN AN
11:31:06 OPPORTUNITY FOR PDA APPLICATIONS TO COME BEFORE YOU.
11:31:11 A PDA IS NOT A EUCLIDEAN DISTRICT.
11:31:14 IT IS NOT AN ASSIGNED DISTRICT.
11:31:16 NOBODY GETS ASSIGNED A PDA.
11:31:18 THEY HAVE TO COME AND ASK FOR THAT FROM CITY COUNCIL.
11:31:21 SO ALL THIS IS DOING IS CHANGING THE PARAMETERS UNDER
11:31:25 WHICH SOMEONE CAN MAKE THAT ASK.
11:31:28 THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO COME AND MAKE THAT ASK.
11:31:30 WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IN THAT CHART IS SHOW YOU WHAT
11:31:33 IT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE TO, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE MIGHT
11:31:37 BE TALKING ABOUT IF THE CODE MODIFICATION IS MADE.
11:31:41 AND THAT AGGREGATE WAS SOMETIMES WE SEE PROPERTY OWNERS,
11:31:47 YOU KNOW, PULL TOGETHER, OR DEVELOPERS PULL TOGETHER, A
11:31:51 COUPLE DIFFERENT PARCELS WHICH THEN WILL GET THEM TO THE
11:31:53 20 ACRES, AND THEN THE NUMBERS WE GIVE YOU, WE COULDN'T
11:31:58 MAKE THAT SUGGESTIONS, SO WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE
11:32:00 NUMBERS OF WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY, AND THEN SHOW YOU THE
11:32:03 POSSIBILITY AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
11:32:05 WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR AGGREGATES.
11:32:07 SO WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE NUMBERS ARE TRUE
11:32:10 NUMBERS, THEY ARE PARCELS THAT COULD POSSIBLY ASK -- MANY
11:32:14 OF THOSE PARCELS ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED, AND WOULDN'T COME
11:32:17 BACK FOR A PDA TO ASK.
11:32:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
11:32:23 AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAY.
11:32:26 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU LOOK AT THE
11:32:29 CITY-WIDE, YOU GET THE AGGREGATE NUMBERS NORTH OF FLORIDA
11:32:36 AND SOUTH OF FLORIDA, AND MAKE THEM CITY-WIDE.
11:32:38 ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS ADDED NORTH OF FLORIDA, SOUTH OF
11:32:41 FLORIDA, FROM THE LEFT COLUMN TO THE RIGHT COLUMN THAT
11:32:45 EQUALS CITY-WIDE AND MORE OR LESS 29, 30, THOSE ARE JUST
11:32:50 AGGREGATES OF THE AVAILABILITY NORTH AND SOUTH OF
11:32:53 FLORIDA, COMBINED INTO ONE, THAT GIVES YOU THE SUM OF THE
11:32:57 DIGITS.
11:32:57 BUT WHAT I AM LOOKING AT HERE IS SAYING, WHAT IS THIS?
11:33:00 WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WANT?
11:33:02 YOU MENTIONED THE INTERNATIONAL PLAZA.
11:33:04 WE HAD AN EXPECTATION OF WHAT WAS DONE.
11:33:07 WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE OTHERS, WE ALSO HAVE BEEN AN
11:33:11 EXPECTATION.
11:33:12 THIS ONE, WHAT IS IT THAT THEY WANT?
11:33:14 HOW CAN I BE FOR IT?
11:33:15 HOW CAN I NOT BE FOR IT IF I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY
11:33:18 WANT TO DO?
11:33:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEY ARE NOT ASKING AT THIS TIME FOR ANY
11:33:23 SPECIFIC PROJECT.
11:33:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEN LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.
11:33:27 IS THIS REGARDING ANY PROPERTY REGARDING THE TOUCHING OF
11:33:32 TWO AROUND ADAMO DRIVE.
11:33:41 >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY PROPERTY AT
11:33:43 THIS TIME.
11:33:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEN I HAVE TO VOTE NO BECAUSE I HAVE
11:33:48 TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.
11:33:49 THANK YOU.
11:33:49 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST CONSULTED CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY
11:33:54 AND MY COMPANY HAS A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE
11:33:56 WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN THIS, SO I AM GOING TO RECUSE
11:33:59 MYSELF, AND I WILL FOLLOW APPROPRIATE -- FILE APPROPRIATE
11:34:04 PAPERWORK.
11:34:05 I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE A CONFLICT BUT IN ABUNDANCE OF
11:34:09 CAUTION I WANT TO EXCUSE MYSELF.
11:34:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER THEN GUDES.
11:34:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, YOU BRING UP A GOOD
11:34:17 POINT.
11:34:20 IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE ADOPT THIS, THIS HAS
11:34:26 BEEN ON THE BOOKS LIKE THEY SAID SINCE 2008.
11:34:31 I REMEMBER IT FROM MY PRIOR TENURE WHEN WE INCLUDED A PDA
11:34:36 CATEGORY FOR 50 ACRES, IF WE ADOPT IT WE ARE REDUCING
11:34:40 THAT CRITERIA THRESHOLD DOWN FROM 50 ACRES TO 20 ACRES.
11:34:45 I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE WHAT THEY USED TO
11:34:51 CALL TAMPA PARK APARTMENTS AREA, BECAUSE THAT IS -- I
11:34:57 THINK THAT'S LESS THAN 20-ACRE AREA.
11:35:00 SPECIFICALLY, THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T MAKE REFERENCE TO
11:35:03 ANY PARCEL, BUT CLEARLY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CHARLIE,
11:35:09 THAT 20 ACRES DEVELOPMENT TAMPA PARK APARTMENTS WOULD
11:35:16 THEN FALL INTO THE PDA INSTEAD OF THE PD.
11:35:23 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM DISCUSSING THAT SINCE THIS
11:35:26 IS A LEGISLATIVE DISCUSSION WE ARE HAVING, MR. SHELBY,
11:35:29 AND MS. FEELEY.
11:35:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, COUNCIL, JUST
11:35:37 FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DISCUSSION, I DID SEE MR. HUDSON
11:35:41 DOWN THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC
11:35:43 HEARING AND I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S REGISTERED TO VOTE --
11:35:46 EXCUSE ME, TO SPEAK.
11:35:47 IS THAT CORRECT?
11:35:48 >> OR VOTE.
11:35:51 >> HE WAS HERE TO STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
11:35:54 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:35:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD SEEING MR. MIRANDA.
11:36:00 YOU ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE AND I
11:36:03 KIND OF QUESTIONED THAT LAST TIME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT
11:36:05 WHAT WOULD GO THERE.
11:36:07 HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE PUBLIC?
11:36:08 AND I ASKED THOSE SAME KIND OF QUESTIONS.
11:36:11 I DIDN'T DO AT ELOQUENT AS MR. MIRANDA WHO HAS MORE
11:36:15 EXPERIENCE THAN I HAVE.
11:36:16 BUT I WAS ABLE TO ASK THOSE TYPE OF QUESTIONS.
11:36:19 AND THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.
11:36:21 AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, THIS IS GOING THE THERE,
11:36:24 HOW IS IT GOING TO BE DONE, AND WHAT BARRIERS DOES THIS
11:36:30 BODY HAVE, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC MAY NOT WANT SOMETHING AND
11:36:33 WE MAY NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN
11:36:37 CASE SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT.
11:36:39 SO I AM INCLINED WITH MR. MIRANDA, TILL WE GET SOME OF
11:36:43 THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A PROBLEM
11:36:45 WITH THAT, NOT KNOWING WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO THERE,
11:36:50 AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS YOU TALK ABOUT
11:36:55 DIVIDING PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
11:36:57 >>CATE WELLS: LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR THE RECORD.
11:37:00 I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED
11:37:04 TEXT AMENDMENT.
11:37:07 THIS WOULD SIMPLY ALLOW OWNERS OF PROPERTY THAT FALL
11:37:11 WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THIS AMENDMENT TO COME BEFORE
11:37:14 YOU AND SEEK THAT CLASSIFICATION OF ZONING.
11:37:18 AND AT THAT TIME YOU WOULD THEN CONSIDER THE
11:37:20 APPROPRIATENESS OF ASSIGNING A PDA ZONING TO THAT
11:37:24 PROPERTY, AS YOU DO WITH ANY OTHER REPORTING APPLICATION.
11:37:28 SO IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT AS TO HOW IT
11:37:33 WOULD APPLY TO DIFFERENT PARCELS AND SPECULATE ABOUT THAT
11:37:35 APPLICATION.
11:37:36 THIS IS SIMPLY AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 27 THAT WOULD
11:37:38 ALLOW FOR CONSIDERATION OF THAT CLASSIFICATION ON PARCELS
11:37:43 OF PROPERTY THAT ARE 20 ACRES AS OPPOSED TO 50 ACRES.
11:37:48 THANK YOU.
11:37:49 >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY SOMEWHAT OF
11:37:52 THE SAME THING, WHICH IS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT MAY BE
11:37:55 HERE, WE STILL HAVE, AS A BODY, IF THIS WERE TO PASS, AND
11:38:00 I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. HUDSON IF HE'S ABLE TO
11:38:03 SPEAK --
11:38:04 >> TAYLOR HUDSON: I'M HERE.
11:38:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:38:07 GO AHEAD.
11:38:09 >>LUIS VIERA: THE VOICE OF THE LORD.
11:38:10 THERE YOU GO.
11:38:11 YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LEASH ON THIS WHEREIN WE STILL HAVE
11:38:16 SIGNIFICANT CONTROL OVER EVERY SINGLE CHANGE THAT MAY
11:38:19 HAPPEN THERE.
11:38:21 CHANGE, I DON'T WANT TO USE AN IMPROPER TERM.
11:38:24 MAYBE IT CHANGES THE TERMS OR THE RULES OR THE POTENTIAL.
11:38:26 BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MEETING THAT POTENTIAL WITH A
11:38:31 DEVELOPMENT, WE STILL HAVE THE LEASH OVER THIS, WHICH I
11:38:34 THINK IS WHAT MS. WELLS WAS SAYING IN EFFECT.
11:38:37 BUT THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
11:38:39 THANK YOU, SIR.
11:38:50 >> TAYLOR HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE.
11:38:53 I'M THE APPLICANT.
11:38:53 ALSO TURN ON THE ELMO HERE.
11:38:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S ON.
11:39:01 >> I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL HAS A LOT OF COMPLEX
11:39:07 CHALLENGING, BROAD DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS LATER TODAY.
11:39:13 YOU ALSO HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU THAT
11:39:15 I THINK ARE VERY NARROW, VERY LIMITED IN THEIR SCOPE, AND
11:39:18 I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS TEXT
11:39:21 AMENDMENT IS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT
11:39:23 ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
11:39:24 SO LET'S TALK ABOUT FIRST WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES NOT
11:39:26 DO.
11:39:27 IT DOES NOT REZONE PROPERTY, DOES NOT CHANGE THE
11:39:30 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATUS OF PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T MODIFY
11:39:33 WHAT CAN BE BUILT ON ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY.
11:39:35 THOSE ARE ALL DECISIONS THAT GO THROUGH YOU AS CITY
11:39:38 COUNCIL, YOU ARE THE FIRST SAFEGUARD FOR ANY DECISION
11:39:40 LIKE THAT.
11:39:42 WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES DO IS VERY LIMITED.
11:39:45 IT ALLOWS A SMALL NUMBER OF MORE PROPERTY OWNERS TO ASK
11:39:49 YOU AS CITY COUNCIL FOR A REZONING TO THIS PDA CATEGORY.
11:39:54 NOW, WHAT DISTINGUISHES A PDA, YOU SEE A LOT OF PDs
11:39:59 WHICH HAVE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING ELEMENTS COMBINED
11:40:01 INTO ONE.
11:40:02 WHAT A PDA DOES, IT SEPARATES THE PLANNING AND
11:40:05 ENGINEERING ELEMENTS.
11:40:06 SO WHILE A PDA WILL TELL YOU USES, THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT,
11:40:10 HOW THE PARKING IS GOING TO WORK, IT MIGHT NOT SAY
11:40:13 EXACTLY HOW THE TRASH COMPACTERS ARE GOING TO WORK.
11:40:16 OTHER MINOR DETAILS LIKE THAT.
11:40:18 THOSE ARE ALLOWED TO BE DEALT WITH LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
11:40:21 I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE HOW FEW PARCELS THIS EFFECTS IN
11:40:26 THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:40:28 THE INCREASE OR THE DECREASE FROM 50 TO 20 WILL ALLOW
11:40:32 LESS THAN ONE TENTATIVE OF ONE PERCENT OF CITY PARCELS,
11:40:36 TO ASK YOU FOR THIS REZONING.
11:40:39 THE ELIGIBILITY NOW IS 50 ACRES WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY
11:40:42 SMALL NUMBER OF PARCELS IN THE CITY AND THIS I BELIEVE IS
11:40:45 A VERY MODEST INCREASE IN THAT TO 20 ACRES, DEVELOPING A
11:40:48 50-ACRE PARCEL OR 28-ACRE PARCEL IS NO SMALL TASK.
11:40:52 YOU ALL HAVE HEARD THE PHRASE TOO BIG TO FAIL.
11:40:55 I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT A 20-ACRE DEVELOPMENT IN
11:40:58 THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS FAR TOO BIG TO
11:41:01 HIDE.
11:41:01 LET'S TALK A LITTLE ABOUT HOW THE SAFEGUARDS CAN PREVENT
11:41:05 THAT DEVELOPMENT.
11:41:06 FIRST IS HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.
11:41:08 WHETHER IT'S A PD OR A PDA WHICH AGAIN EXISTS TODAY, WE
11:41:12 ARE MERELY ASKING FOR THE ELIGIBLE TO DROP FROM 50 ACRES
11:41:16 DOWN TO 20 THAT COMES TO YOU.
11:41:18 IT COMES TO YOU AS A CITY COUNCIL, IN A PUBLIC HEARING
11:41:21 WITH PUBLIC NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
11:41:24 WHEN IT COMES TO YOU, YOU ALL HAVE NINE PURPOSES THAT YOU
11:41:30 EVALUATE THAT APPLICATION CAN W AND THREE OF THEM
11:41:33 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:41:38 AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN I HAVE A TEST, IF AN
11:41:41 APPLICANT FAILS TO SHOW THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH BE
11:41:43 THE -- THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
11:41:45 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH
11:41:47 INCLUDES THESE PROVISIONS, THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED
11:41:50 REDUCING ADVERSE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN DENY
11:41:53 IT.
11:41:54 IT IS UP TO THE APPLICANT TO PROVE THAT IT IS WORTHY OF
11:41:57 YOUR SUPPORT.
11:42:00 THAT DOES NOT CHANGE AT ALL WITH THIS AMENDMENT.
11:42:02 IT MERELY TITLES MORE PROPERTIES, NONETHELESS SOME MORE,
11:42:07 TO ASK YOU AS CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SUPPORT OF THEIR
11:42:10 REZONING APPLICATION.
11:42:11 >> IF WE CAN GIVE THE GENTLEMAN ONE MORE MINUTE.
11:42:15 >> TYLER HUDSON: I'M SORRY.
11:42:18 THANK YOU.
11:42:18 ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH PDAs ARE APPROVED AND SALE A
11:42:25 BILL OF GADS, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT
11:42:27 THEM AND YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM.
11:42:28 LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
11:42:29 ANY OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE TO AN APPROVED PDA PLAN
11:42:33 GO RIGHT BACK TO YOU AT CITY COUNCIL.
11:42:36 5% CHANGE IN DENSITY, 5% CHANGE IN COMMERCIAL SQUARE
11:42:39 FOOTAGE. A MERE 10% INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
11:42:42 ALL OF THOSE CHANGES BACK TO YOU.
11:42:45 IF YOU FAIL TO COMPLY WITH A SINGLE CONDITION IN THE PD,
11:42:48 BACK TO YOU.
11:42:49 TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT INCREASE, BACK TO YOU.
11:42:51 REDUCTION OF 5% IN OPEN SPACE THAT IS A KILLER, BACK TO
11:42:56 YOU.
11:42:58 THE ELMO WENT OUT.
11:43:00 I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE.
11:43:04 CAN YOU ALL SEE THE ELMO?
11:43:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ONLY SEE THE BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN
11:43:10 SKYLINE.
11:43:11 >> IN CLOSING, I HAVE A LETTER HERE FROM MARCH, THE
11:43:22 PRESIDENT AND CEO OF TAMPA HOUSING AUTHORITY, SUPPORTS
11:43:25 THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER TO
11:43:28 ATTRACT PARTNERS FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, ROBLES PARK VILLAGE,
11:43:32 BECAUSE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT GOING TO NEED TO INVEST IN THE
11:43:35 FINITE MINUTE ENGINEERING DETAILS IN THEIR SUBMISSIONS
11:43:39 AND CAN INSTEAD FOCUS ON THE BROADER THINGS THAT YOU CARE
11:43:42 ABOUT SUCH AS USE, PARKING, SIZE, ET CETERA.
11:43:44 SO I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS VERY
11:43:47 NARROW IN SCOPE, IT IS VERY APPROPRIATE IN LIGHT OF THE
11:43:50 DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY, AND THE SCARCITY OF 50-ACRE
11:43:53 PARCELS THAT ARE LEFT TO DEVELOP, AND I WANT TO STRESS
11:43:56 THAT ANY DEVELOPER, ANY PROPERTY OWNER THAT USES THE
11:44:00 EXPANDED ELIGIBILITY TO APPLY FOR A REZONING HAS TO COMB
11:44:04 THROUGH YOU.
11:44:04 THANK YOU.
11:44:05 AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:44:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I SAY?
11:44:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:44:11 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:44:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MAY NOT KNOW, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
11:44:18 MAY NOT KNOW, BUT WHOEVER THE CLIENT IS, AND I KNOW MR.
11:44:21 HUDSON IS A GREAT GUY, VERY NICE REPRESENTATIVE OF HIS
11:44:27 CLIENT, DOES A GREAT JOB.
11:44:28 BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW NICE HE IS OR WHAT HE KNOWS.
11:44:32 ALL I HAVE GOT TO KNOW, I HAVE GOT TO PROTECT THE
11:44:34 INTEGRITY AS AN OFFICE HOLDER, THAT'S MY OPINION, FOR THE
11:44:39 PUBLIC THAT WE ALL SERVE.
11:44:41 ALL I HAVE TO KNOW IS IT ONE BUILDING OF 5,000 PEOPLE?
11:44:45 IS IT 500 APARTMENTS?
11:44:47 IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT RELATED TO ZONING BUT GIVE ME
11:44:51 AN IDEA SO I CAN EXPLAIN IF SOMEBODY ASKS ME, WHAT DID
11:44:54 YOU JUST DO?
11:44:56 I SAY LISTEN, THE IDIOT VOTED FOR SOMETHING, HE DOESN'T
11:44:59 KNOW WE JUST DID.
11:45:00 SO I WANT TO BE HELPFUL.
11:45:04 IN THE FINANCIAL PLANS AREA, WE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING
11:45:07 IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.
11:45:08 THEY TOLD US.
11:45:09 BUT THIS ONE HERE HAS SOME SECRETS IN IT, I DON'T KNOW
11:45:12 WHY, BUT THERE'S NO SECRET THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO
11:45:15 COME WHETHER WE WANT TO OR NOT.
11:45:17 WE CANNOT PUT A FENCE AROUND THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:45:20 A THOUSAND PEOPLE A DAY MAYBE FROM NEW YORK AND NEW
11:45:23 ENGLAND ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA, A LOT OF THEM ARE MOVING
11:45:26 TO THIS AREA.
11:45:27 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, SOMETHING TO HANG MY HAT ON, BUT
11:45:32 WHEN ASKED, IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HOUSING.
11:45:36 HOW MANY?
11:45:36 WOMEN, THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD APARTMENTS OR SOMETHING.
11:45:40 NOT TO WORRY ABOUT.
11:45:41 ORTHOPEDIC I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT I VOTED
11:45:43 FOR IT EVEN THOUGH LATER IN LIFE I WILL HEAR IT.
11:45:46 AND IF YOU STOP IT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT BECAUSE
11:45:49 THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
11:45:50 BUT WE ARE NOT SURE.
11:45:52 WHAT IS THE SECRET?
11:45:53 I AM NOT TRYING TO BE HARD OR TRYING TO ANALYZE SOMETHING
11:45:56 THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANALYZED.
11:45:58 BUT I HAVE GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND TELL FOLKS WHAT I AM
11:46:02 DOING OR WHY I DID IT.
11:46:03 NOT ON THIS ITEM, ON ALL, INCLUDING ANYTHING TO DO
11:46:06 REQUEST ANYTHING ELSE.
11:46:07 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET THIS BODY OF ELECTED
11:46:12 OFFICIALS HAVE AT LEAST SOME KNOWLEDGE, IS IT GOING TO BE
11:46:17 A BIG BUILDING TO HOLD 50,000 PEOPLE, 25,000 PEOPLE, A
11:46:21 BIG SKATING RINK?
11:46:22 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
11:46:26 THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH TO ALLOW ME TO VOTE YES.
11:46:31 THAT DOESN'T MANY I WANT TO VOTE NO.
11:46:33 BUT I HAVE TO HAVE SURETY ON YES.
11:46:41 I HAVE GOT TO KNOW SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN SO I CAN
11:46:44 TELL THE PUBLIC.
11:46:44 THANK YOU.
11:46:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:46:47 >>: I HEAR MR. MIRANDA'S CONCERNS LOUD AND CLEAR.
11:46:52 I THINK THEY ARE DEFINITELY LEGITIMATE.
11:46:57 I RECALL -- AND MS. WELLS, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, AND
11:47:02 MS. GRIMES, THAT DIDN'T WE DO -- DID WE DO A PDA ON THE
11:47:09 ENCORE PROJECT?
11:47:12 DID SOMEBODY MENTION THAT EARLIER?
11:47:15 >> I WILL LET MS. FEELEY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
11:47:17 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU.
11:47:18 RIGHT NOW, THIS AMENDMENT IS REALLY TO CHANGE OUR
11:47:21 APPLICATION PROCESS.
11:47:23 IT'S ONLY --
11:47:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I UNDERSTAND.
11:47:26 MY QUESTION -- MY QUESTION WAS -- MY QUESTION WAS, DID WE
11:47:30 DO IT ON ENCORE?
11:47:32 >>ABBYE FEELEY: A PD, IT'S ONLY 29 ACRES.
11:47:35 SO IT'S A HYBRID.
11:47:38 WE DID A BUBBLE PLAN ON ENCORE.
11:47:41 THE OTHER THING I TALKED ABOUT WAS ENCORE, SO THEY COULD
11:47:45 CREATE THEIR NINE BLOCKS.
11:47:46 WE DID A BUBBLE PLAN ON ENCORE BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT
11:47:52 GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICITY YOU NORMALLY OBTAIN ON A PD ON
11:47:57 29 ACRES SO WE DID A PD WITH INCREMENTAL SITE PLAN.
11:48:02 AND THEY --
11:48:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW WERE WE ABLE TO DO THAT
11:48:06 PROCEDURALLY WITH JUST A PD?
11:48:09 HOW DID WE CREATE THE HYBRID?
11:48:11 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DID THE FIRST ONE IN 2006.
11:48:17 I THINK IT WAS 6-113, AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME IN AS THEY
11:48:26 HAD A DESIGN BOOK, AND THE DESIGN BOOKS SET OUT THE
11:48:30 CONDITIONS UNDER EACH OF THE BLOCKS, HOW THEY WOULD BE
11:48:33 DEVELOPED, AND THEN EACH BLOCK WAS SHOWN TO BE EITHER
11:48:36 RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL HOTEL COMMERCIAL.
11:48:39 WE ACTUALLY ENDED UP REZONING CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE WHICH
11:48:43 BECAME ENCORE THREE TAMES, BECAUSE THE PD, THINGS WOULD
11:48:49 MOVE AROUND, AND THEN IT WOULD TRIP THAT AND THEN IT HAD
11:48:54 TO BE REZONED AGAIN.
11:48:55 SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER TO DO IT AS A PDA WITH A
11:48:59 DESIGN BACK AND THAT WAS -- AT THAT TIME.
11:49:03 I THINK SINCE, 7-92 AND THEN ONE MORE TIME RIGHT BEFORE I
11:49:09 LEFT THE CITY TO ADDRESS SOMETHING ELSE.
11:49:14 SO I THINK NOW THREE TIMES, AND IT IS A PD WITH
11:49:19 INCREMENTAL.
11:49:19 WE ALSO JUST DID THAT ON MIDTOWN, BECAUSE MIDTOWN WAS
11:49:27 OVER 20 ACRES.
11:49:28 SO WE HAD TO DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE IT DID NOT QUALIFY
11:49:32 FOR A PDA SO IT CAME IN AS A PD WITH A HYBRID.
11:49:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM GOING TO SUGGEST,
11:49:40 THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
11:49:41 WHY DON'T WE DEFER FIRST READING ON THIS FOR TWO WEEKS?
11:49:45 THAT'S MY MOTION.
11:49:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OBJECTION TO THAT?
11:49:48 LET ME LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.
11:49:50 THE CALENDAR SAYS TWO WEEKS.
11:49:53 IS FEBRUARY 18.
11:49:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN -- IN THAT'S A MOTION, IS
11:49:57 THERE A SECOND, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
11:49:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
11:50:02 DINGFELDER TO DEFER THIS TO FEBRUARY 18th. DO WE
11:50:04 HAVE A SENDING?
11:50:06 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES WESTBOUND A
11:50:08 QUESTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:50:10 >>LUIS VIERA: I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS PROPER TO HEAR
11:50:12 FROM THE APPLICANT.
11:50:13 I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SORT OF EMERGENCY, BUT JUST AS
11:50:17 A CAUTION.
11:50:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. HUDSON?
11:50:20 FEBRUARY 18th?
11:50:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THAT A REGULAR MEETING?
11:50:25 >> YES, SIR.
11:50:26 MR. HUDSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMPLAINT, ISSUE, COMMENT ON
11:50:29 CONTINUING THIS TO FEBRUARY 18th, A REGULAR MEETING,
11:50:32 9 A.M.?
11:50:34 >> NO, SIR.
11:50:34 THE MOTION IS WELL RECEIVED AND TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND
11:50:37 COUNCILMAN GUDES AND ANY OF THOSE OF YOU WITH ANY
11:50:39 QUESTIONS, I WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOUR OFFICES TO
11:50:41 SCHEDULE MEETINGS TODAY.
11:50:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:50:44 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WITH A SECOND
11:50:46 FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:50:47 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:50:48 ANY OPPOSED?
11:50:49 MR. SHELBY, YES?
11:50:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE AGENDA,
11:50:53 DID YOU WANT THIS PLACED BACK WHERE IT IS ON THE AGENDA?
11:50:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:50:57 IT'S ITEM NUMBER 4 NOW.
11:50:58 SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
11:51:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDER COMMITTEE REPORTS.
11:51:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
11:51:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:51:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE OTHER THING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:51:05 ONE OTHER THING.
11:51:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:51:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN?
11:51:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:51:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN WE MAKE THAT A PUBLIC HEARING?
11:51:15 MR. SHELBY SAID FOR FIRST READING IS NOT A PUBLIC
11:51:18 HEARING, WHICH IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS.
11:51:20 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, WHY WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO THAT
11:51:22 PROCESS.
11:51:23 BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, CAN WE REVERSE THE ORDER AND
11:51:28 MAKE BOTH FIRST AND SECOND READINGS PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO
11:51:31 IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW
11:51:38 THEY COULD?
11:51:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS IT POSSIBLE TO CHANGE TO THE A
11:51:41 9:30 NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARING, MR. SHELBY?
11:51:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, I SUSPECT THE ANSWER WOULD BE IF
11:51:47 THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:51:48 JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER AS MS.
11:51:53 WELLS STATED PREVIOUSLY.
11:51:54 SO THEREFORE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE -- ONLY REZONINGS
11:51:58 REQUIRE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS PURSUANT TO YOUR CODE UNDER
11:52:00 STATE LAW.
11:52:01 ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE ONLY REQUIRES ONE PUBLIC
11:52:03 HEARING, WHICH USUALLY TAKES PLACE AT THE SECOND PUBLIC
11:52:06 HEARING WMBE IS WHY IT SHOWS UP ON YOUR CONSENT DOCKET.
11:52:10 HISTORICALLY THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
11:52:11 SO IF YOU WANT, THE ALTERNATIVE IS FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW
11:52:17 IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR COMMITTEE REPORTS, AND THEY SPEAK
11:52:20 DURING THE INITIAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:52:22 IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
11:52:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I UNDERSTAND THAT, COUNCILMAN
11:52:28 DINGFELDER.
11:52:29 WE HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:52:30 SO THEY KNOW IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
11:52:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:52:34 THAT'S FINE.
11:52:34 >> SO WE LEAVE IT AS IS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA
11:52:39 LIKE IT IS NOW BUT FOR FEBRUARY 18th.
11:52:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:52:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:52:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THERE A MOTION ON THAT ROLL CALL?
11:52:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT A ROLL CALL?
11:52:49 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WITH A SECOND
11:52:51 BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:52:52 ROLL CALL.
11:52:53 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:52:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:52:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:52:57 >> GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:53:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:53:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:53:03 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
11:53:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:53:09 WE ARE GOING TO GO TO COMMITTEE REPORTS.
11:53:13 AFTER THAT WE ARE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH.
11:53:15 WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK FOR LUNCH AT 1:15 AND TAKE UP
11:53:19 THE SECOND READINGS WHICH SHOULD BE QUICK AND THEN GO
11:53:22 INTO THE STAFF REPORTS.
11:53:23 AND THAT WILL KEEP US ON TRACK.
11:53:25 REMEMBER WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS LATER IN
11:53:27 THE AFTERNOON.
11:53:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
11:53:34 I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 5 THROUGH 9.
11:53:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:53:40 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:53:41 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:53:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:53:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:53:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:53:50 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:53:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:53:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:53:54 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:53:57 >> COUNCILMAN GUDES, PARKS AND REC.
11:54:00 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES FOR ITEM 10.
11:54:02 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:54:03 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:54:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:54:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:54:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:54:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:54:10 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:54:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:54:12 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:54:14 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:54:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE] ITEMS 11 THROUGH
11:54:20 19, JUST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, IF YOU COULD MOVE 12
11:54:24 THROUGH 19.
11:54:27 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:54:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MOVE ITEMS 12
11:54:33 THROUGH 19.
11:54:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:54:37 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:54:38 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:54:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:54:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:54:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:54:45 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:54:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:54:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:54:49 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:54:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU COULD
11:54:54 MOVE 20 THROUGH 29.
11:54:55 >> MOVE 20 THROUGH 24 AND 26 THROUGH 29.
11:55:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:55:08 MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:55:11 ITEM 25 WAS PULLED BY MR. DINGFELDER.
11:53:40 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:53:41 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:53:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:53:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:53:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:53:50 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:53:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:53:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:55:18 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:55:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUILDING
11:55:22 AND ZONING, ITEMS 30 THROUGH 41.
11:55:24 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:55:25 IF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF ON
11:55:28 ITEM NUMBER 30, SO COULD I MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 31 THROUGH
11:55:31 41 AND THEN --
11:55:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WERE THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN?
11:55:36 >>BILL CARLSON: 31 THROUGH 41.
11:55:41 >> MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 31 THROUGH 41 AND TAKE ITEM 30 ON
11:55:45 A SEPARATE VOTE.
11:55:47 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:55:49 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:55:51 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:55:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:55:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:55:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:55:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:55:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:55:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:55:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:56:00 >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:56:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE JUST FOR
11:56:04 ITEM 30.
11:56:04 COUNCILMAN CARLSON WILL BE ABSTAINING.
11:56:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE VICE CHAIR WILL DO IT THEN.
11:56:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:56:17 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:56:19 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:56:19 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:56:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:56:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:56:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:56:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:56:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:56:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING.
11:56:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:56:35 COUNCILMAN VIERA, 43 THROUGH 51.
11:56:39 >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE ITEMS 42 ALL THE WAY TO 51.
11:56:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:56:44 VIERA.
11:56:44 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:56:45 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:56:46 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:56:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:56:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:56:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:56:52 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:56:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:56:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:56:57 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:56:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO SET THE
11:56:59 PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR 52 AND 53?
11:57:02 THEY ARE BOTH APRIL 1st AT 10:30 A.M.
11:57:05 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:57:07 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:57:10 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:57:10 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:57:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:57:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:57:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:57:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:57:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:57:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:57:21 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:57:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:57:24 WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:15.
11:57:28 (CITY COUNCIL RECESS)
11:57:37
13:19:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
13:19:56 WELCOME BACK.
13:19:56 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
13:19:59 ORDER IF WE CAN HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
13:20:01 [ROLL CALL]
13:20:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
13:20:12 WE HAD A MOTION BUT JUST TO BE SAFE, CAN I GET A MOTION
13:20:17 TO OPEN ITEMS 54 THROUGH 57?
13:20:21 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:20:22 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
13:20:23 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:20:25 AYE.
13:20:26 ALL RIGHT.
13:20:26 WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 54, SECOND READING.
13:20:29 WE HAVE A PowerPoint HERE, I BELIEVE.
13:20:41 ALL RIGHT.
13:20:42 GO AHEAD, WHOEVER WISHES TO BEGIN WITH THIS.
13:20:43 >> LACHONE DOCK: [OFF MICROPHONE] 2020 AMENDMENT CYCLE.
13:21:11 THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN SECTION 27-129.
13:21:18 THIS WILL ALLOW FOR PORCHES TO PROJECT INTO FRONT YARD IN
13:21:23 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND THIS WILL INCLUDE PD DISTRICTS
13:21:26 ALSO.
13:21:27 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:21:31 THIS IS PROVIDED FOR YOU JUST TO SHOW A COMPARISON.
13:21:36 THE FRONT PORCH PROJECTION INTO FRONT YARDS WITH RS-50
13:21:41 AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
13:21:44 WITH THE PROPOSED CODE IT WOULD ALLOW THIS PROJECTION IN
13:21:46 ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
13:21:48 SO THIS INCLUDES ALL RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY, AND
13:21:51 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, AND THE PD PLANNED
13:21:54 DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ALSO.
13:21:56 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:22:00 THIS REQUEST ALLOWS THIS PROJECTION INTO THE RESIDENTIAL
13:22:03 DISTRICT.
13:22:03 THIS ALLOWS ALSO THE PROJECTION IN OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
13:22:07 SO IN OVERLAY DISTRICTS WHERE BLOCK AVERAGING IS REQUIRED
13:22:11 THIS WOULD ALLOW PROJECTION INTO THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
13:22:17 AT NO TIME SHALL THE FRONT PORCH PROJECT OR IMPOSE ANY
13:22:20 CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, AND
13:22:25 IN BUILDING CODE.
13:22:28 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:22:30 WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED HERE IS THE ACTUAL CODE SECTIONS OF
13:22:32 THE SECTION 27-159 AND THE AREAS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW
13:22:37 ARE THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CODE.
13:22:40 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:22:42 THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THAT CODE SECTION, AND THIS
13:22:46 HIGHLIGHTS THE AREA FOR THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND THE
13:22:49 REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE PLACED NO CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET
13:22:52 FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
13:22:55 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:22:57 THIS IS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF REVIEW.
13:23:00 WE RECEIVED NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
13:23:02 THIS WILL CREATE CONSISTENCY IN THE STANDARD BY ALLOWING
13:23:06 THE FRONT PORCH PROJECTION INTO THE ZONING DISTRICTS, AND
13:23:10 IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
13:23:14 THIS ENCOURAGES APPLICANTS TO INCORPORATE THE FRONT PORCH
13:23:17 INTO THE SITE PLAN.
13:23:21 THIS WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WAS FOUND
13:23:24 CONSISTENT WITH THE OBJECTIVE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
13:23:29 THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
13:23:34 AND THIS IS THE SCHEDULE FOR THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY
13:23:37 FOR SECOND READING.
13:23:39 AS I MENTIONED IT WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN
13:23:42 JANUARY.
13:23:42 IT WAS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST READING IN JANUARY.
13:23:46 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:23:49 AND THIS CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
13:23:50 I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
13:23:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL
13:23:56 MEMBERS?
13:24:00 HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT
13:24:03 WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 54?
13:24:10 CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
13:24:12 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND BY
13:24:14 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
13:24:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:24:17 ALL RIGHT.
13:24:18 COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 54?
13:24:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE E-2021-8 CH 27.
13:24:28 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FLORIDA REMITTING TO
13:24:31 FRONT PORCHES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS MAKING REVISIONS
13:24:34 TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE ORDINANCE CHAPTER 27 ZONING AND
13:24:37 LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-159 PERMITTED FOR
13:24:41 PROJECTIONS INTO REQUIRED YARDS REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES
13:24:44 OR PARTS OF ORDINANCE IN CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING
13:24:48 FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:24:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
13:24:52 ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
13:24:53 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:24:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:24:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:24:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:25:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:25:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:25:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:25:05 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:25:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:25:06 NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 55.
13:25:11 WE HAVE ANOTHER PowerPoint PRESENTATION.
13:25:12 GO AHEAD WHOEVER WISHES TO BEGIN.
13:25:15 55.
13:25:15 >>LACHONE DOCK: DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT AGAIN.
13:25:20 I'M HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 55.
13:25:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THE WRONG ONE IS SHOWING.
13:25:50 GO AHEAD.
13:25:50 >>LACHONE DOCK: THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 55.
13:25:54 THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
13:25:56 THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT.
13:26:00 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:26:02 SO THIS REQUEST IS A REQUEST FROM THE WEST TAMPA CRA.
13:26:09 THIS IS ALSO A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE WEST TAMPA COMMUNITY
13:26:12 ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE WEST TAMPA CAC.
13:26:17 THAT WAS ACTUALLY STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
13:26:20 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:26:22 SO THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND CODE SECTION 27-241 WHICH IS
13:26:26 THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARD.
13:26:29 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:26:33 SO THIS IS PART OF THE JANUARY 2020 AMENDMENT CYCLE.
13:26:36 AND AS I MENTIONED THIS IS A PLANNING EFFORT THAT WAS
13:26:39 INITIATED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
13:26:41 THIS IS FOR THE WEST TAMPA CRA AND WITH THE CITY'S
13:26:45 PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BRING FORTH AMENDMENT TO THE CODE.
13:26:49 ALL OF THIS IS JUST TO UPDATE CERTAIN REVIEW PROCEDURES
13:26:53 REGARDING EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS, FACADES, DESIGN ELEMENTS
13:26:57 WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
13:26:58 SO THE CHANGES PROPOSED BY STAFF ARE PROPOSED CLEAN-UP
13:27:02 ITEMS I'LL GO OVER WITH YOU SHORTLY.
13:27:06 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:27:08 SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE WEST TAMPA CRA AND THE WEST TAMPA
13:27:13 OVERLAY DISTRICT.
13:27:14 THE OUTLINE THAT IS IN THE RED OR THE ORANGE COLOR IS THE
13:27:17 WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND THE OUTLINE IN YELLOW IS
13:27:21 THE WEST TAMPA CRA, JUST TO SHOW YOU THE BOUNDARIES.
13:27:25 SO THE LONG IS FOR THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT, THIS
13:27:29 AREA IN THE RED.
13:27:31 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:27:34 SO WE'LL GO OVER THE CHANGES PROPOSED IN THE COMMERCIAL
13:27:37 DISTRICT.
13:27:38 NEXT SLIDE.
13:27:42 SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR CLEAN-UP, WE DID CHANGE IT REGARDING
13:27:45 THE DEPARTMENT NAME, REMOVING REFERENCES TO OLD
13:27:48 DEPARTMENT LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
13:27:50 WE ALSO CLEANED UP LANGUAGE REGARDING THE MISSION
13:27:54 REQUIREMENTS.
13:27:56 TYPICALLY, OR IN THE PAST, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT
13:28:00 HARD COPY SITE PLANS.
13:28:05 IT'S NOT NECESSARY TODAY SO THAT WAS A CLEAN-UP THAT WAS
13:28:08 MADE.
13:28:08 AND THEN THE NEXT CHANGES THAT YOU WILL HEAR ARE CHANGES
13:28:12 FROM THE ACTUAL APPLICANT SUBMITTED WITH THE LANGUAGE
13:28:16 PROPOSED.
13:28:17 BUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SECTION THERE, WAS A CORRECTION
13:28:20 MADE WITHIN THE DIVISION OF THE CODE REFERENCE.
13:28:24 THERE WAS A CORRECTION FOR THE SHADE TREE MINIMUM
13:28:28 CALIPERS PROVIDED THAT WAS ACTUALLY AMENDED OF 3 INCHES.
13:28:38 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:28:39 THERE WAS A CHANGE PROPOSED TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING,
13:28:43 AND THAT WILL BE DESIGNED AS THE PRINCIPAL ENTRY.
13:28:46 THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FROM 100%
13:28:49 TO 50 PERCENT.
13:28:50 THIS INITIAL REQUEST FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS TO HAVE THIS
13:28:53 ADDED ZERO PERCENT, THE IDEA FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS TO
13:28:57 HAVE ALL EYES ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL TIMES ON ALL PARTS
13:29:01 OF THE PROPERTY.
13:29:03 AND WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ENDED UP AT THE
13:29:08 50% AS GIVE AND TAKE FOR THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE OPACITY.
13:29:12 ANOTHER ADDITION WAS THAT WE CLARIFIED WITHIN THE
13:29:17 BUSINESS CORE DISTRICT OF WEST TAMPA IN THE APPLICATIONS
13:29:21 FOR MAJOR RENOVATION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.
13:29:30 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:29:31 ALSO ADDED WAS ACCESSORY RESTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS
13:29:34 ASSOCIATION ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM
13:29:36 THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY SHOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY
13:29:39 FINISHED WITH MATERIALS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRIMARY
13:29:42 STRUCTURE.
13:29:43 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:29:45 THE NEXT SET OF CHANGES TO THE PARKING STANDARDS.
13:29:49 REGARDING ACCESS, THE PREFERRED ACCESS IS THAT THERE IS
13:29:53 AN ALLEY FOR VEHICLE ACCESS SHOULD ACTUALLY -- PROPERTY
13:30:01 SHOULD BE ACCESSED FROM THE ALLEY, IF AN ALLEY EXISTS.
13:30:04 THE EXTRAORDINARY PARKING RENDERED APPLICABLE AND SHOULD
13:30:08 BE ARCHITECTURALLY FINISHED TO ACTUALLY MATCH THE FINISH
13:30:12 OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
13:30:13 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:30:15 NEW CONSTRUCTION AND MAJOR RENOVATIONS SHALL PROVIDE THE
13:30:19 LIGHTING DESIGN FOR THE SURFACE PARKING AREA.
13:30:21 THIS REFERENCE WAS UPDATED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
13:30:24 CURRENT MANUAL, AND BOOK.
13:30:31 AND THE NEXT CHANGES ARE IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION OF
13:30:33 THE CODE.
13:30:34 THE FIRST CHANGE IS FOR THE FENCING AND THE WALL STANDARD
13:30:39 THAT ACTUALLY WAS AMENDED TO PROVIDE CERTAIN OPTIONS, THE
13:30:46 MATERIALS,
13:30:49 AND AN OPTIONS ADDED TO THE CODE.
13:30:52 ALSO WHEREVER WE TANK WALLS, THE COMMUNITY PREFER THAT
13:30:56 THAN THAT RETAINING WALL BE MAINTAINED, IF POSSIBLE,
13:31:00 VERSUS IT BEING REMOVED ALTOGETHER.
13:31:03 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:31:06 SO THE NEXT CHANGE IS REGARDING THE ALLEY ACCESS.
13:31:09 THIS IS THE SAME AS THE COMMERCIAL, WHENEVER THERE'S A
13:31:14 DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED.
13:31:20 ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WAS MADE IN THE CODE A MINIMUM OF
13:31:23 A 4:12 PITCH FOR PORCHES OR HOUSES.
13:31:28 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:31:30 ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SHALL BE FINISHED CONSISTENT WITH
13:31:36 THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE SAME FOR ACCESSORY
13:31:41 STRUCTURE.
13:31:41 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:31:45 SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF EFFORTS THAT ARE EITHER ONGOING
13:31:49 OR FUTURE PLANNING EFFORTS FOR WEST TAMPA, CURRENTLY, AND
13:31:54 COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THIS, MAIN STREET COMMERCIAL
13:31:58 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THAT STUDY IS ONGOING.
13:32:00 THE GOAL IS IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE -- FOR WEST TAMPA, TAKE
13:32:07 A LOOK AT THE OVERLAY LANGUAGE IN THE FUTURE, AND YOU MAY
13:32:11 SEE ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS IN THE FUTURE.
13:32:14 THE INITIAL REQUEST FROM RESIDENTIAL WAS TO HAVE
13:32:22 FORM-BASED CODE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING DESIGN INCORPORATED
13:32:26 ANY CHANGES AND THE COMPROMISE IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED
13:32:29 BEFORE YOU TODAY.
13:32:30 SO YOU MAY SEE FUTURE CHANGES COMING.
13:32:34 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:32:37 THIS IS FROM DEPARTMENTAL REVIEW.
13:32:41 WE RECEIVED NO OBJECTION.
13:32:42 THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE SCREENING
13:32:46 REQUIREMENT SECTION OF THE CODE.
13:32:50 AND THAT COMPROMISE WAS A 50 OPACITY THAT WAS PROVIDED
13:32:54 THERE.
13:32:54 WERE NO OBJECTIONS IN THEIR PLANNING REGARDING THAT
13:33:00 REQUIREMENT.
13:33:01 THIS WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
13:33:02 THEY FOUND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE IMAGINE 2040
13:33:05 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
13:33:07 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
13:33:10 AND THIS ITEM THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR SECOND READING.
13:33:15 NEXT SLIDE.
13:33:18 I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
13:33:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS
13:33:21 TIME FROM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
13:33:28 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
13:33:30 THIS ITEM 55?
13:33:32 >> THE CLERK: NO ONE IS REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.
13:33:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
13:33:36 GUDES.
13:33:37 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
13:33:38 ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
13:33:39 ANY OPPOSED?
13:33:40 ALL RIGHT.
13:33:41 COUNCILMEMBER CITRO, WOULD YOU MIND READING THIS ITEM 55?
13:33:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [OFF MICROPHONE] FILE E 2021-8 CHAPTER
13:33:51 27.
13:33:52 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
13:33:54 ADOPTION.
13:33:54 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO
13:33:58 THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT DESIGN
13:34:00 STANDARDS MAKING REVISIONS TO CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF
13:34:04 ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND --
13:34:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN'T HEAR HIM.
13:34:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOUR MICROPHONE IS
13:34:12 OFF.
13:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
13:34:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OH, YEAH.
13:34:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:34:19 FILE 20-21-8 CHAPTER 27, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
13:34:25 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
13:34:28 TAMPA, FLORIDA RELATING TO THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY
13:34:31 DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARDS MAKING REVISIONS TO
13:34:35 CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND
13:34:38 LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-241, WEST TAMPA
13:34:43 OVERLAY DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT DESIGN STANDARD, REPEALING
13:34:46 ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT
13:34:50 THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN
13:34:54 EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:34:54 >> SECOND.
13:34:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
13:34:57 MIRANDA.
13:34:58 ROLL CALL VOTE.
13:34:58 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:35:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:35:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:35:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
13:35:04 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:35:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:35:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:35:09 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:35:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
13:35:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:35:14 NEXT UP WE HAVE ITEM 56, AND I SEE MR. VILA HERE FOR
13:35:20 THAT, SIR.
13:35:20 >>ROB VILA: HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
13:35:26 I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS
13:35:29 AD VALOREM THAT'S COMING IN FRONT OF YOU.
13:35:31 AS PART OF THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT FOR THE WIDENING
13:35:36 OF I-4 THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF YBOR CITY, WHICH
13:35:40 IS HERE, THERE WAS A RELOCATION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
13:35:43 AD VALOREM.
13:35:44 SO THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY SAT AT THIS LOCATION ON 14th
13:35:48 AVENUE, AND WAS RELOCATED TO COLUMBUS DRIVE.
13:35:54 AS PART OF THAT RELOCATION, THIS IS A MAP FROM 1929.
13:36:00 YOU SEE ALL THE FABRIC HERE.
13:36:02 THE YELLOW INDICATES FRAME CONSTRUCTION HOUSING, AND YOU
13:36:05 SEE THE DENSITY BACK IN 1929.
13:36:08 SO THE INTERSTATE WAS NOT EXISTENT IN 1929 OBVIOUSLY BUT
13:36:11 I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE FABRIC AT THAT TIME PERIOD.
13:36:17 WHERE THE HOUSE SAT PRIOR TO RELOCATION, IT WAS IN THIS
13:36:21 STATE HERE.
13:36:22 THERE WAS A LARGER HOME THAT WAS CUT UP INTO ROOMING
13:36:27 HOUSES.
13:36:30 AND HERE YOU SEE A LADDER GOING TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
13:36:34 BETWEEN 6 AND 8 UNITS.
13:36:37 AS PART OF THE MOVE, THIS IS THE HOUSE.
13:36:42 YOU SEE THE INTERSTATE IN THE BACKGROUND.
13:36:44 A LOT GOES INTO THESE RELOCATIONS.
13:36:47 YOU SEE THE PLYWOOD THEY HAD TO PUT DOWN SO IT DOESN'T
13:36:50 DISTURB THE GRANITE CURBING.
13:36:52 SOME OF THE WIRES THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
13:36:55 ALSO AS PART OF THE RELOCATION.
13:37:00 THIS IS SHOWING THE RECEIVING SITE FROM ABOVE.
13:37:03 THIS IS COLUMBUS DRIVE.
13:37:08 THAT'S 1715 COLUMBUS DRIVE.
13:37:10 ONCE IT'S SAT DOWN AT THE RECEIVING SITE, YOU SEE THE
13:37:14 CONDITION OF THE HOUSE.
13:37:17 IT HAD SOME CHALLENGES.
13:37:20 AS YOU GO AROUND TO REVIEW EACH ELEVATION.
13:37:30 THERE WAS A COMPANY THAT PURCHASED THIS HOUSE THAT HAS
13:37:32 THEIR MAIN OFFICE ACROSS THE STREET.
13:37:35 THAT SAW THE BENEFICIAL OF THIS HOUSE BEING REMOVED AND
13:37:40 THE AD VALOREM ADDRESSES THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR.
13:37:43 THIS IS HOW THE STRUCTURE LASS TODAY.
13:37:45 THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION FACING COLUMBUS DRIVE.
13:37:48 THIS IS VEHICULAR ACCESS.
13:37:52 YOU SEE THE MORE ORNATE WINDOWS TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE
13:37:55 HOUSE AND THEN IT KIND OF SIMPLIFIES AS WE GO DOWN TO THE
13:37:58 REAR.
13:38:01 THIS IS THE OTHER ELEVATION AFTER REHABILITATION.
13:38:06 AND TO WALK YOU AROUND, THIS IS THE REAR.
13:38:09 SOME INTERIOR PHOTOS.
13:38:16 THIS IS THE ENTRY FEATURE UPON RECEPTION FROM THE NEW
13:38:21 OWNERS.
13:38:22 AND THIS IS THE DOOR PACKAGE AS IT LASS TODAY.
13:38:25 FROM THE EXTERIOR, AND THEN DOWN BELOW, PRIOR TO
13:38:29 REHABILITATION AND THEN AFTER REHABILITATION, WITH THE
13:38:32 VERY ELABORATE DOOR, THE SIDE LIGHTS AND THE TRANSOM.
13:38:44 THIS IS THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE THAT WAS
13:38:47 REMOVED AND THEN RECREATED AFTER REHABILITATION.
13:38:49 AND TO GET INTO THIS DOOR, THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS IN A
13:38:55 DETERIORATED STATE AND AFTER COMPLETION.
13:38:58 INTERIOR HAS SOME HIGH-END FINISHES WITH THE CULVERT
13:39:05 CEILINGS, WITH THE WINDOWS AND FIREPLACE AND SENSITIVE
13:39:10 CARE.
13:39:10 AND JUST TO CONCLUDE, THE KITCHEN PRIOR TO REHABILITATION
13:39:17 AND THEN AFTER.
13:39:18 THIS APPLICANT DID COME THROUGH THE BARRIO LATINO
13:39:21 PROCESS, RECEIVED APPROVAL, AND SUBMITTED TO SECRETARY
13:39:25 INTERIOR STANDARD.
13:39:26 I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
13:39:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
13:39:29 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
13:39:32 THIS ITEM, 56?
13:39:36 ANYTHING ELSE?
13:39:37 DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE COUNCIL GUDES.
13:39:41 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
13:39:42 ALL IN FAVOR?
13:39:44 AYE.
13:39:44 COUNCILMEMBER VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM 56?
13:39:49 >> I MOVE AN ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,
13:39:52 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY
13:39:55 TAX EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,
13:39:58 RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY
13:40:01 DESIGN STYLES ARCHITECTURE LOCATED AT 1715 EAST COLUMBUS
13:40:04 DRIVE, TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT
13:40:07 BASED UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS, PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE
13:40:10 PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR
13:40:13 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN
13:40:15 CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
13:40:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
13:40:20 ROLL CALL VOTE.
13:40:21 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
13:40:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
13:40:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
13:40:33 DINGFELDER, YES.
13:40:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
13:40:37 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
13:40:39 >> YES.
13:40:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
13:40:41 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13:40:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST PART OF THE
13:40:44 AGENDA, AND MOVE TO STAFF REPORTS.
13:40:47 ITEM NUMBER 58.
13:40:48 AND I BELIEVE ON STANDBY FOR THAT.
13:40:59 >>OCEA WYNN: THIS IS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD
13:41:15 AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
13:41:16 AND WE ASKED NUMBER 11 TO BE MOVED TO AREA 58 TO EXPLAIN
13:41:26 TO YOU THE QUESTIONS -- OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
13:41:31 MAY HAVE REGARDING THE BBE.
13:41:37 AT THIS POINT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JEAN DUNCAN AND GREG
13:41:43 HEART WHO WILL SPEAK TO THE PROCESS -- [ INAUDIBLE ]
13:41:56 >>OCEA WYNN: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
13:41:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
13:41:58 >>OCEA WYNN: OKAY.
13:42:03 GREG HART?
13:42:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. HART, WE SEE YOU ON CAMERA.
13:42:07 GO AHEAD, SIR.
13:42:09 IF YOU CAN HEAR US.
13:42:11 >>GREGORY HART: YES.
13:42:11 AM I BEING HEARD, SIR?
13:42:13 >> YES, YOU ARE.
13:42:14 GO AHEAD.
13:42:16 >>GREGORY HART: SPEAKING WITH THE EQUAL BUSINESS
13:42:19 OPPORTUNITY OFFICE, MANAGER OF EQUAL BUSINESS
13:42:22 OPPORTUNITY.
13:42:23 WITH REGARD TO THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.
13:42:26 JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THAT MAY SHED SOME
13:42:29 INSIGHT ON THE PROJECT, IT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE CCNA
13:42:36 SELECTION PROCESS.
13:42:38 WE HAD ACTUALLY FOUR OUT OF SEVEN FIRMS SUBMIT PROPOSALS,
13:42:46 AND THE SHORT LIST RESULTED IN THE SELECTION COMMITTEE
13:42:49 CHOOSING AE COM AS THE PREFERRED CONSULTANT KING FOR THE
13:42:55 PROJECT.
13:43:00 THE PHASE 1 DESIGN EFFORT IS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY AND
13:43:12 IT INCLUDES DISCIPLINES IN THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURAL
13:43:16 AND ENGINEERING AND ELECTRICAL FIELD.
13:43:19 AS A MATTER OF AVAILABILITY OF OUR WBE FUND, FIRMS, THE
13:43:26 TOTAL NUMBER OF FIRMS THAT HAVE THE REQUISITE DISCIPLINES
13:43:30 TO ALIGN WITH PHASE 1 DESIGN, TOTAL 33 WMBE FIRMS AS THE
13:43:38 READY, WILLING AND ABLE AVAILABILITY POOL.
13:43:41 WITHIN THAT 33 INVENTORY OF AVAILABLE FIRMS, SEVEN OF
13:43:48 THOSE 33 FIRMS ARE CERTIFIED AS BLACK BUSINESS
13:43:52 ENTERPRISES.
13:43:55 AND AE COM'S BBE UTILIZATION ON PHASE 1 SERVICES INCLUDES
13:44:03 ONE BBE FIRM, AND IN TERMS OF THE AVAILABILITY OF READY,
13:44:10 WILLING AND ABLE, THAT WOULD REPRESENT ONE OF SEVEN OF
13:44:13 THE TOTAL BBE FIRMS BEING READY, WILLING AND ABLE, AND
13:44:19 THAT EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 14% OF THE BBE AVAILABLE
13:44:23 MARKET AREA.
13:44:24 SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, ONE COULD LOOK AT AE COMS
13:44:31 OUTREACH AND EFFORT ON INCLUSION TO INCLUDE 14% OF THE
13:44:37 AVAILABLE READY WILLING AND ABLE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE BBE
13:44:42 FIRMS.
13:44:44 SO WITH THAT, IT REPRESENTS A TOTAL OF 19% EBO
13:44:52 PARTICIPATION ON THE PROJECT.
13:44:56 IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATION AS TO THAT
13:44:58 INFORMATION, I'LL STAND BY OR DEFER TO JEAN DUNCAN.
13:45:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:45:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HE SAYS A TOTAL OF 19% FIRMS?
13:45:11 THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 19%, SIR?
13:45:16 >>GREGORY HART: YES.
13:45:16 THE OVERALL PARTICIPATION TOTALS 19%.
13:45:20 OF ALL WMBE FIRMS PARTICIPATING.
13:45:23 >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
13:45:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
13:45:37 IS THIS THE ONE THAT WAS 0.2% BBE?
13:45:44 >>GREGORY HART: YES, IT IS.
13:45:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GET CONFUSED
13:45:49 BETWEEN 0.2% BBE AND 19% TOTAL PARTICIPATION.
13:45:57 I DON'T WANT ANY CONFUSION ON THAT.
13:46:00 SO WHAT YOU DESCRIBE, GREG, I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY
13:46:03 THAT THEY MADE THE GOOD FAITH EFFORT, IN THE CITY'S
13:46:09 OPINION, THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
13:46:13 >>GREGORY HART: YES, SIR.
13:46:14 WHAT I AM SAYING IN ADDITION IS THAT OF THE 33 FIRMS
13:46:19 CERTIFIED BY THE CITY IN THESE PARTICULAR DISCIPLINES
13:46:21 THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE PHASE 1 SCOPE, IT INCLUDES SEVEN
13:46:26 BBEs.
13:46:28 AND ONE OF THE SEVEN WAS SELECTED BY AE COM TO PERFORM.
13:46:36 AND I'M ESSENTIALLY SAYING IF YOU LOOK AT THE READY,
13:46:38 WILLING AND ABLE AVAILABILITY POOL, AE COMS TEAM OF
13:46:43 SUBCONSULTANTS WHO ARE CERTIFIED, BBEs REPRESENT 14% OF
13:46:48 THE AVAILABLE POOL OF BLACK BUSINESSES WHO PERFORM THESE
13:46:53 ENGINEERING AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING SERVICES.
13:46:56 SO ONE COULD CONCLUDE THAT THEY HAD A POOL OF SEVEN
13:47:01 CERTIFIED BBEs TO SOLICIT AND MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO
13:47:06 INCLUDE ON THEIR TEAM.
13:47:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS TOTAL CONTRACT EXCEEDED A
13:47:14 MILLION DOLLARS?
13:47:20 >>GREGORY HART: THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT FOR PHASE 1
13:47:23 DESIGN IS $1.1 MILLION.
13:47:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THE 0.2% -- WAS BY MY CALCULATION
13:47:36 SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF MAYBE $10,000?
13:47:42 OUT OF THE MILLION?
13:47:46 I COULD GET MY CALCULATOR BUT I THOUGHT I CALCULATED
13:47:49 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
13:48:00 >>GREGORY HART: YOU ARE CORRECT, IT WOULD CALCULATE ABOUT
13:48:02 $10,000.
13:48:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
13:48:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, ACTUALLY, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS
13:48:08 MAYBE $2200 OUT OF THE 1.1.
13:48:17 OKAY.
13:48:17 WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS LAST WEEK.
13:48:19 I THINK THIS IS JUST INDICATIVE OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T
13:48:22 HAVE -- WE HAVE NOT DONE A GREAT JOB OF BUILDING UP THAT
13:48:27 POOL, OR LET ME RESTATE THAT.
13:48:31 WE DO NOT HAVE A GOOD POOL OF BBE VENDORS AND WE NEED TO
13:48:36 DO -- DO A BETTER JOB OF BUILDING THAT POOL.
13:48:43 AND I GUESS MS. WYNN, THAT'S WHAT YOUR PLAN OF ACTION IS
13:48:46 GOING TO DO OVER THE NEXT X NUMBER OF MONTHS, CORRECT?
13:48:50 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
13:48:52 SO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
13:48:55 SO THE PLAN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, WE WILL PRESENT TO
13:48:59 YOU THE PLAN OF ACTION.
13:49:00 BUT I JUST WANT TO LEVEL THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE
13:49:03 UNDERSTANDS THAT BUILD IT UP MAY TAKE TIME.
13:49:09 SO THE PLAN -- BUT IT WILL TAKE TIME -- TAKE TIME FOR
13:49:15 PARTNERSHIP, WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS TO HELP US IDENTIFY
13:49:19 THOSE BUSINESSES WHO CAN ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE ON THESE
13:49:23 CONTRACTS.
13:49:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
13:49:28 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
13:49:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:49:30 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
13:49:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS LOOKING FOR THE MATERIALS TO SEE
13:49:36 THOSE NUMBERS IN THOUGH WHOLE CONTRACT.
13:49:38 MAYBE I AM MISSING IT HERE.
13:49:41 MR. HART, WHAT PAGE ARE THOSE NUMBERS ON?
13:49:44 I'M LOOKING.
13:49:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 0.2% I THINK WAS IN THE SUMMARY SHEET
13:49:52 ON SIRE.
13:49:56 IT SPEAKS TO THE 17% THAT MR. HART REFERENCED AS THE
13:50:01 TOTAL WMBE PARTICIPATION, AND VERY HONESTLY AND
13:50:09 FRANKLY -- AND I APPRECIATE THE HONESTY AND FRANKNESS --
13:50:13 MENTIONS THE 0.2% BBE.
13:50:23 >>GREGORY HART: THAT IS CORRECT.
13:50:24 >>OCEA WYNN: AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WANT TO ALSO LET YOU
13:50:28 NOTICE THAT AS A RESULT OF LAST WEEK'S WORKSHOP, YOU CAN
13:50:33 EXPECT THESE NUMBERS, YOU CAN EXPECT PROACTIVELY COME TO
13:50:42 YOU TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, WE DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE AREAS OF
13:50:49 IMPROVEMENT, OR EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY WE ARE GETTING THE
13:50:54 RESULTS THAT WE ARE GETTING.
13:50:55 SO THIS WILL BE OUR MODE OF OPERATION GOING FORWARD.
13:50:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MS. WYNN, FOR THOSE
13:51:04 COMMENTS.
13:51:04 I APPRECIATE THAT.
13:51:05 BUT MR. DINGFELDER BROKE IT DOWN, A MILLION DOLLARS.
13:51:12 I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
13:51:15 BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO
13:51:18 PERFORM, TO BRING THOSE DELIVERABLES.
13:51:24 I STILL SAY LISTENING LAST WEEK LISTENING TO THE FOLKS
13:51:28 THAT SPOKE, MAKING SURE, WAS GIVEN A COUPLE OF RFPs
13:51:34 THAT PEOPLE SENT ME TO LOOK AT.
13:51:36 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RFP, YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE IN THE
13:51:39 RFP, YOU SEE WHERE THE LANGUAGE SWAYS SPECIAL INTERESTS
13:51:46 VERSUS THE INFORMATION BEING FIT SO EVERYONE CAN READ AND
13:51:52 UNDERSTAND, OR MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE CAN BE
13:51:56 ATTAINABLE TO THOSE GOALS THE WAY THE RFP IS WRITTEN AND
13:52:00 GOING A CERTAIN WAY, MAYBE ONLY A CERTAIN PERSON CAN
13:52:03 OBTAIN THAT CONTRACT.
13:52:04 SO I WANT US TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT AS WE WRITE THE
13:52:09 RFPs NOW AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE GIVEN, MAKE
13:52:12 SURE THAT THE RFQs SHALL WRITTEN IN A WAY WHERE IT'S
13:52:16 NOT SWAYED ONE WAY, THAT YOU CAN SAY THERE'S ALMOST SO
13:52:21 MANY PEOPLE THAT CAN DO THIS JOB OR ONE PERSON CAN DO
13:52:23 THIS JOB.
13:52:24 IT'S WRITTEN STRAIGHT DOWN DID LINE, AND EVERYONE CAN
13:52:26 APPLY AND SAY, I CAN DO THAT JOB AND NOT PUT A SPECIAL
13:52:30 CAVEAT IN THE RFP, SO ONLY A CERTAIN PERSON CAN GET THE
13:52:34 JOB.
13:52:34 I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.
13:52:36 I HAVE SEEN JENNIFER, I THINK WE HAVE TO SEE HOW WE ARE
13:52:41 WRITING THE RFPs.
13:52:43 AND OUR MANAGERS AND THOSE WRITING THESE THINGS HAVE TO
13:52:47 UNDERSTAND THAT.
13:52:47 I DON'T THINK THEY ARE BIASED BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN
13:52:49 DOING A SYSTEM SO LONG SO WE HAVE TO HAVE CHECKS AND
13:52:52 BALANCES TO LOOKING AT THAT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT
13:52:55 SOMEONE IS LOOKING AT THE WORDING IN THOSE CONTRACTS, THE
13:52:59 RFPs, TO MAKE SURE THEY INCLUDE EVERYBODY AND NOT JUST
13:53:03 GOING DOWN ONE ROAD, IF YOU GET MY DRIFT ON WHAT I AM
13:53:06 SAYING.
13:53:08 MS. WYNN?
13:53:10 DID YOU GET THAT?
13:53:12 >>OCEA WYNN: YES, SIR.
13:53:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
13:53:16 >>BILL CARLSON: MS. WYNN OR WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER
13:53:22 THIS.
13:53:22 AT LEAST IN THE PAST, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO
13:53:25 ALLEGED THAT WHEN THE CITY WANTED TO HIRE A CERTAIN
13:53:29 CONSULTANT THAT THEY WOULD NOT ADVERTISE VERY WELL AN RFP
13:53:35 SO THAT NOBODY WOULD RESPOND OR THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH
13:53:38 WILLING RESPONDERS OR WHATEVER.
13:53:40 JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC WATCHING, COULD SOMEONE
13:53:42 JUST TELL US TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU ALL ADVERTISE
13:53:45 THIS RFP?
13:53:47 THANK YOU.
13:53:47 >>OCEA WYNN: YES.
13:53:52 I WILL HAVE JEAN DUNCAN AND HER GROUP TO RESPOND TO THAT.
13:53:56 >> THIS IS BRAD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
13:54:08 YES, WE ADVERTISE THE FULL RFQ USING OUR MEDIA OUTLET AS
13:54:16 WELL AS DEMAND STAR TO NOTIFY ALL THE FIRMS THAT COULD
13:54:21 PARTICIPATE IN A TEAM TO SUBMIT IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE
13:54:25 A DESIGN BUILD TEAM, THROUGH PURCHASING THROUGH THE
13:54:33 DEMAND STAR SYSTEM.
13:54:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION?
13:54:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
13:54:41 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL?
13:54:44 HEARING NONE, I KNOW WE HAVE THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 11
13:54:48 THAT WE STILL HAVE TO MOVE.
13:54:50 DOES ANYBODY WISH TO MOVE THIS ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 11?
13:54:59 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THIS IS YOUR COMMITTEE, SIR.
13:55:02 WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 11?
13:55:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHO IS THE VICE CHAIR?
13:55:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON, THE ALTERNATE IS
13:55:13 COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA.
13:55:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL PASS.
13:55:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE
13:55:18 TO MOVE ITEM 11?
13:55:20 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, AS THE ALTERNATE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
13:55:23 MOVE ITEM 11?
13:55:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL TAKE NUMBER 11 AND MOVE THE
13:55:27 RESOLUTION, WITH CONVERSATION OF PEOPLE IN THE
13:55:32 ADMINISTRATION, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU WHAT IS GOING ON NOW
13:55:37 IS THAT THE PROCESS, NOT THAT IT'S FLAWED, BUT THEY ARE
13:55:40 GOING TO CHANGE IT AROUND SO THAT EVERYONE WILL HAVE A
13:55:43 CHANCE IN PERPETUITY TO REALIZE MONTHS IN ADVANCE OF WHAT
13:55:47 IS COMING WHERE THEY CAN BE FAIR IN FINDING MINORITY
13:55:52 CONTRACTORS THAT ARE NEEDED.
13:55:54 WITH THAT SAID I MOVE RESOLUTION ITEM NUMBER 11, FILE
13:55:56 PW-21-66304.
13:56:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
13:56:03 YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
13:56:04 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANTED TO MAKE MY POSITION KNOWN ON
13:56:07 THIS.
13:56:07 I DIDN'T KNOW PEOPLE WERE GOING TO PASS ON THIS, AND JUST
13:56:10 EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
13:56:11 ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS GET MORE FERTILE GROUND
13:56:14 FOR THESE KIND OF CONTRACTS SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE
13:56:17 EXTERNAL NUMBERS.
13:56:17 WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
13:56:18 THIS DEALS WITH A PUMP IN DIFFERENT AREAS SUCH AS I SAW
13:56:21 109th STREET THAT HAS SERIOUS NEEDS, THE COPELAND
13:56:25 PARK AREA, WHICH IS IN MY DISTRICT.
13:56:27 THAT IS A BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS AREA, MIDDLE OF THE
13:56:30 MIDDLE CLASS, AND TO -- LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, WE HAVE A
13:56:36 SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT DOES NOT GIVE FERTILE GROUND.
13:56:38 WE NEED TO DO MORE WORK.
13:56:40 I THINK TO PENALIZE THE FOLKS OVER AT COPELAND PARK
13:56:43 NECESSARY 109th STREET FOR THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I AM
13:56:46 WILLING TO DO.
13:56:48 WE NEED TO HAVE FERTILE GROUND.
13:56:49 THIS IS NOT AN EASY VOTE TO TAKE WHEN PEOPLE SAYING THEY
13:56:53 ARE GOING TO PASS ON IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE ISSUES
13:56:56 REQUEST THE PUMPS AND I WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE BECAUSE
13:56:58 I DIDN'T KNOW WE WOULD GET HERE.
13:57:00 I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE.
13:57:02 THANK YOU.
13:57:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
13:57:03 BEFORE WE CONTINUE, MR. BENNETT, CHIEF BENNETT, WOULD YOU
13:57:06 LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, SIR?
13:57:07 >>JOHN BENNETT: I JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING TO
13:57:11 COUNCIL PRIOR TO MAKING THE VOTE.
13:57:14 AS YOU KNOW, STAFF IS LISTENING TO ALL OF OUR PARTNERS,
13:57:18 OUR POLICYMAKERS.
13:57:21 CLEARLY THE PUBLIC AND OUR PERSONNEL TO TRANSFORM THE
13:57:24 SPACE, AS MS. DUNCAN AND MS. OCEA HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR
13:57:30 SOME TIME.
13:57:30 WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE.
13:57:32 I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT I DID BE SOME CURSORY
13:57:35 ANALYSIS ON THIS, BASED ON THE LAUNCH OF THIS
13:57:37 ADMINISTRATION, LOOKING TO THE TREND, AND I LOOKED IN
13:57:43 BOTH MALE AND FEMALE, BLACK AND BROWN VENDOR COMMUNITIES,
13:57:46 AND I CAN TELL YOU ON A CURSORY ANALYSIS THAT I AM STILL
13:57:50 REFINING WITH MR. SPEARMAN'S OFFICE, IN JUST ABOUT EVERY
13:57:53 CATEGORY, AFRICAN MALE, AFRICAN AMERICAN MALE, HISPANIC
13:58:00 MALE AND FEMALE HAS JUST ABOUT DOUBLED SINCE THE
13:58:04 ADMINISTRATION HAS STARTED FOCUSING ON THIS.
13:58:07 SO IT'S A CONTINUED EFFORT.
13:58:09 IT'S TRENDING IN THE RIGHT WAY.
13:58:10 I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THESE TEAMS TO
13:58:12 SUPPORT THEM IN THIS TRANSFORMATION.
13:58:15 BUT I ALSO HAVE TO AGREE THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR
13:58:17 CHALLENGED INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ATTENTION, NEEDS FOCUS,
13:58:21 AND THE COMMITMENT REMAINS JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE
13:58:23 WORKSHOP LAST WEEK.
13:58:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
13:58:28 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
13:58:29 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
13:58:30 I APOLOGIZE FOR YET ANOTHER COMMENT ON THIS.
13:58:32 BUT ONE THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO DO IS EVERYBODY
13:58:35 ON COUNCIL, WE ALL REVIEW THESE AND IF WE SEE THAT
13:58:37 SOMETHING IS BEING PULLED BECAUSE OF CONCERN, AND A VERY
13:58:41 LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
13:58:42 I'M NOT OPPOSING ANYONE.
13:58:44 I'M NOT SAYING SOMEBODY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS.
13:58:46 THIS IS POINT 2.
13:58:48 THAT'S TERRIBLE.
13:58:49 BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT WAYS IN WHICH
13:58:53 WE CAN MAKE THAT SOIL MORE FERTILE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE
13:58:56 TO COME TO ISSUES LIKE THIS.
13:58:58 WE ALL HAVE A CONFLICT.
13:59:00 NOBODY WANTS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
13:59:02 AND WE NEED NUMBERS BEING WHAT THEY ARE.
13:59:05 I THINK I SAW 16% HISPANIC BUT THEN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN
13:59:08 NUMBER IS WOEFULLY LOW AND THAT GIVES US A SERVICE TO THE
13:59:12 PUBLIC A CHOICE THAT FRANKLY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE.
13:59:16 SO I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THESE CHOICES AND BE
13:59:19 PRESENTED TO US ANY MORE ACQUIRE MORE FERTILE SOIL IN
13:59:27 THAT REGARD.
13:59:27 THANK YOU, SIR.
13:59:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, I AGREE ON YOUR POINTS.
13:59:33 I KNOW ABOUT THAT AREA.
13:59:37 I KNOW ABOUT COPELAND PARK.
13:59:39 YOU KNOW I KNOW.
13:59:40 AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES.
13:59:41 AND I DO UNDERSTAND IT.
13:59:43 BUT WE ASKED ADMINISTRATION.
13:59:47 THEY ARE WORKING.
13:59:48 I KNOW THEY ARE DOING THEIR BEST RIGHT NOW.
13:59:49 BUT MY THING IS WE ARE BRINGING ALL THESE CONTRACTS
13:59:52 FORWARD.
13:59:54 I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE CAN'T HOLD BACK SOME OF
13:59:56 THESE CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING SERIOUS
14:00:01 IN PLACE AND START TO MOVE SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS
14:00:03 FORWARD.
14:00:06 AND STAFF IS HARD CORE ABOUT SOME OF THE ITEMS, THEN
14:00:10 BEFORE WE START DOING CONTRACTS, WE DON'T HOLD BACK UNTIL
14:00:14 WE GET SOME NEW PROCEDURES IN PLACE, BECAUSE THIS IS
14:00:17 GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IF YOU KEEP THROWING
14:00:20 CONTRACTS AT US VERSUS, LET'S PUMP THE BRAKES.
14:00:23 WE HEARD WHAT COUNCIL SAID.
14:00:25 STOP ALL CONTRACTS AT THIS POINT UNTIL WE HAVE A SYSTEM
14:00:27 IN PLACE THAT DEALS WITH HOW WE ARE GOING TO PUMP OUT
14:00:33 MINORITIES IN THESE CONTRACTS, HOW WE ARE GOING TO
14:00:37 EDUCATE, HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT
14:00:39 ADMINISTRATORS ARE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ROAD VERSUS ALL
14:00:43 THESE BROAD ROADS, HOW WE ARE GOING TO OPERATE.
14:00:47 I THINK THAT'S A KEY.
14:00:50 I KNOW ABOUT COPELAND AND I SYMPATHIZE WITH MR. VIERA
14:00:54 BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT AREA.
14:00:55 I KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
14:00:56 BUT I LOOK AT MY OTHER COLLEAGUES IN MY DISTRICT, AND
14:01:01 KNOWING, HIGH, SOMETHING IS STILL WRONG HERE.
14:01:03 SO MY POINT TODAY, IS F THIS GOES THROUGH I AM LOOKING IN
14:01:06 THE FUTURE TO SAY WE DON'T DO ANY OTHER CONTRACTS UNTIL
14:01:10 THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SOMETHING IN PLACE, SOMETHING IN
14:01:12 PLACE THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO
14:01:14 STOP ARGUING ABOUT CONTRACTS.
14:01:17 I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A FOOTBALL GAME.
14:01:20 IF I KNOW THAT THIS TEAM IS NOT DOING WHATEVER, THEN I AM
14:01:23 GOING TO SAY IF WE ARE GOING TO STOP THIS SERIES OF
14:01:26 PLAYING UNTIL WE REVAMP AND GET ANOTHER SERIES OF PLAYS
14:01:29 IN TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING.
14:01:31 WE SEE IT'S NOT WORKING.
14:01:33 SO IF IT'S NOT WORKING LET'S JUST STOP, PUMP THE BRAKES
14:01:36 AND FIX IT.
14:01:37 I YIELD BACK TO CHAIRMAN.
14:01:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
14:01:41 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO CHIEF BENNETT FOR HIS
14:01:46 COMMENTS, AND MS. DUNCAN AND MS. WYNN AND CHIEF BENNETT
14:01:52 ALL NOBODY THAT I HAVE FAITH IN THEIR ABILITY.
14:01:56 WE ARE TWO YEARS IN, AND MANY OF MY SUPPORTERS ELECTED ME
14:02:00 TO TRY TO CHANGE THE MISTAKES AND BAD MANAGEMENT OF THE
14:02:04 OLD ADMINISTRATION, AND SOME OF THAT CULTURE IS STILL
14:02:06 THERE.
14:02:06 WE SEE IT IN THESE AREAS.
14:02:08 WE SEE IN THE WATER.
14:02:09 WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TOILET TO TAP IN A
14:02:14 MINUTE.
14:02:14 MY OPINION IS WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CULTURE FASTER.
14:02:17 I KNOW WE ARE DEALING REQUEST A PANDEMIC, AND MAYBE OTHER
14:02:19 CRISES, BUT OUR CONSTITUENTS WANTS US TO CHANGE IT
14:02:23 FASTER.
14:02:24 AND WE ARE GETTING JUDGED BY WHATEVER LEGACY, OLD CULTURE
14:02:28 PROCESSES ARE STILL IN PLACE.
14:02:30 AND WE JUST NEED TO DO OUR BEST TO GET THEM TO CHANGE
14:02:33 QUICKLY.
14:02:34 THANK YOU.
14:02:34 >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
14:02:38 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
14:02:39 I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.
14:02:41 AGAIN, PEOPLE CAN VOTE HOWEVER THEY WANT TO.
14:02:44 I JUST BRING UP ISSUES.
14:02:46 WHAT ULTIMATELY I SAY IS, I WANT TO TALK TO THE
14:02:48 ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS IF YOU SEE CONTRACTS LIKE THIS
14:02:52 THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP AND THEY GET PULLED, RIGHT, OR
14:02:55 SOMEBODY EXPRESSES CONCERN, LET'S MEET ABOUT THIS BEFORE
14:02:57 SO THAT, NUMBER ONE, ASSURANCES CAN BE MADE TO PEOPLE ON
14:03:01 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THIS IS A COUNCIL THAT
14:03:05 DEMANDS DIVERSITY AND WE WANT TO WIDEN THAT, TO CREATE
14:03:10 THAT FERTILE SOIL, ET CETERA, SO WE CAN DO THAT WORK
14:03:12 BEFORE SO THAT WE DON'T -- SO THAT AT THE VERY LEAST WE
14:03:16 HAVE CONCERNS THAT ALL SEVEN OF US QUITE FRANKLY HAVE.
14:03:21 ADDRESSED IN A GOOD WAY SO AGAIN THESE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND
14:03:25 YOU TALK ABOUT THE PUMPS AT 109th STREET.
14:03:29 I GET CALLS.
14:03:31 I GET CALLS ON 109th.
14:03:32 I DO.
14:03:33 AND THAT'S A WORKING CLASS, VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY, ONE
14:03:37 OF THE MOST DIVERSE COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
14:03:40 AND AGAIN, I'M NOT -- AND BY THE WAY, I'M MERELY STATING
14:03:46 MY POSITION.
14:03:47 IF SOMEBODY VOTES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I SAY GOD BLESS
14:03:50 EVERYBODY.
14:03:50 I'M NOT PRESSURING EVERYBODY TO VOTE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
14:03:53 I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF WHICH IS I WISH THAT THIS
14:03:56 COULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED BEFORE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T GET
14:03:58 HERE, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE MECHANISMS THAT WE
14:04:01 ARE ALL WORKING HARD TO DO SO THAT WE GET MORE FERTILE
14:04:04 SOIL WHENEVER IT COMES TO MORE DIVERSITY IN OUR CONTRACTS
14:04:07 SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME HERE IN THE FUTURE.
14:04:09 BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONTRIBUTIONS EVERYBODY THAT'S
14:04:12 SPOKEN BECAUSE EVERYBODY I THINK BRINGS VERY GOOD POINTS.
14:04:14 COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, MIRANDA,
14:04:18 EVERYBODY.
14:04:18 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:04:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:04:20 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
14:04:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU MUCH, CHAIRMAN.
14:04:25 AND THAT'S WHY I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS, BECAUSE IN
14:04:29 SPEAKING TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HIGHER UP IN GOVERNMENT
14:04:31 THAN I AM, IT'S THE PROCESS THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT TO MAKE
14:04:36 SOME CHANGES, AND IT'S THEIR CHANGE AND NOT MINE.
14:04:39 I'M NOT TAKING CREDIT FOR IT.
14:04:41 THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO DO IT AND HOPEFULLY
14:04:43 THIS WILL SOLVE THE MAJORITY OF THESE PROBLEMS OF HAVING
14:04:46 A FIGURE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CORRECT BUT THEN YOU LOOK
14:04:49 AT IT INDIVIDUALLY AND THE DIGITS ARE NOT THE TOTAL SUM.
14:05:01 TO DO SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT GOING TO BRING UP.
14:05:04 IT'S THEIR THING AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT.
14:05:07 THEY DESERVE THE CREDIT AND NOT I.
14:05:08 THAT'S WHY I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
14:05:11 THIS WILL TAKE SOME MONTHS TO DO.
14:05:13 SO I AM JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT I HEARD YESTERDAY, AND
14:05:16 I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THE WAY I HEARD.
14:05:19 THEY HAVE NEVER MISS L.E.D. ME.
14:05:22 IN FACT TALKING ABOUT THE FACTS, WITHOUT THE PAST THERE
14:05:25 WOULDN'T BE A FUTURE BECAUSE NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN
14:05:27 HERE.
14:05:27 AND THE PAST -- AND I NEVER HAD AN ADMINISTRATION EVER
14:05:31 LIE TO ME.
14:05:32 I MAY NOT LIKE WHAT THEY TOLD ME BUT THEY NEVER LIED.
14:05:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:05:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:05:37 WE HAVE A MOTION --
14:05:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I KNOW THE CHAIR ALWAYS HAS
14:05:42 THE FINAL WORD SO IF I CAN PUT IN SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY.
14:05:46 LET'S START WITH THE REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE BY
14:05:48 COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, AND COUNCILMAN
14:05:52 CARLSON.
14:05:53 WE AS A COUNCIL WENT TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND SAID,
14:05:56 THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE.
14:05:58 AND IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
14:06:00 WE ALL REEL REALIZE NOTHING HAPPENS OVERNIGHT BUT I WOULD
14:06:04 LIKE TO THREE THE AFOREMENTIONED COUNCILMEN FOR THEIR
14:06:07 EFFORTS IN GETTING THIS BALL ROLLING.
14:06:10 BECAUSE IF IT WOULDN'T HAVE STARTED WE WOULD BE IN THE
14:06:15 SAME PLAIN.
14:06:15 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MS. WYNN AND OTHER PEOPLE IN
14:06:18 THE ADMINISTRATION FOR TAKING OUR SUGGESTION, TAKING OUR
14:06:22 REQUESTS, AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
14:06:24 WE ALL REALIZE THAT THIS IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.
14:06:28 BUT TO STOP EVERYTHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FOOTBALL PLAY
14:06:33 IS ONLY GOING TO SET US BACK.
14:06:36 SO I THANK EVERYBODY CONCERNED, THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL,
14:06:40 THE STAFF, CHIEF OF STAFF, FOR TAKING OUR REQUESTS AND
14:06:45 MOVING FORWARD WITH IT.
14:06:47 WE HAND IT OFF TO YOU.
14:06:49 NOW GO AND SCORE A TOUCHDOWN.
14:06:51 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
14:06:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:06:54 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
14:06:56 WHO WAS THE SECOND, VIERA?
14:06:58 COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS THE SECOND.
14:07:00 ROLL CALL VOTE.
14:07:00 THIS IS FOR ITEM 11.
14:07:02 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:07:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR BUT
14:07:11 I AM GOING TO SAY WHY.
14:07:13 MR. CITRO JUST SAID ABOUT THE FOOTBALL.
14:07:16 SO I AM GOING TO GIVE THE ADMINISTRATION AN OPPORTUNITY
14:07:18 TO MOVE THE BALL.
14:07:21 AND SO I AM GOING TO VOTE YES THIS TIME.
14:07:23 BUT LIKE MR. VIERA SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING THESE
14:07:27 DISCUSSIONS WAY BEFOREHAND AND STOP SOME OF THESE
14:07:29 CONTRACTS FROM COMING FORWARD THAT YOU KNOW ARE GOING TO
14:07:31 BE ISSUED UNTIL WE GET SOME THINGS STRAIGHT.
14:07:34 I AM GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS AT THIS TIME.
14:07:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GRUDGINGLY, YES.
14:07:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:07:46 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD, I CONCUR WITH COUNCILMAN
14:07:50 GUDES, BUT THE REASON WHY I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS IS
14:07:52 BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS OF COUNCILMAN VIERA.
14:07:57 IF THERE ARE URGENT NEED IN THE COMMUNITY I DON'T WANT TO
14:07:59 HOLD THEM WITH UP UP BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO RESERVE RIGHT
14:08:02 TO REJECT THINGS IN THE FUTURE AND IT'S NOT CONDEMNATION
14:08:06 OR ANYTHING THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION IS DOING, JUST
14:08:08 TRYING TO CLEAN UP AFTER THE OLD CULTURE.
14:08:10 SO I VOTE YES.
14:08:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM VOTING FOR THIS, BUT STAFF, YOU
14:08:17 HAVE GOT THE BALL.
14:08:19 DON'T FUMBLE IT.
14:08:21 DON'T MAKE US THROW A PENALTY FLAG.
14:08:22 I VOTE YES.
14:08:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:08:27 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:08:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL THIS FOOTBALL TALK, WOULD YOU
14:08:30 THINK THERE WAS A SUPER BOWL IN TOWN.
14:08:32 [ LAUGHTER ]
14:08:36 NEXT UP, I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO A COVID UPDATE WITH
14:08:39 THE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE.
14:08:40 IS THAT CORRECT?
14:08:51 AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE TWO HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT
14:08:56 COMING.
14:08:56 WE HAVE 18 REGISTERED SPEAKERS AFTER ITEM 65 AND THEN WE
14:08:59 HAVE THE RECORDED COMMENTS WHICH I THINK MIGHT BE AN
14:09:02 HOUR'S WORTH.
14:09:05 WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE A DINNER BREAK.
14:09:08 I'M KIDDING.
14:09:09 I'M KIDDING.
14:09:10 I'M KIDDING.
14:09:10 I'M KIDDING.
14:09:12 I'M JUST ENCOURAGING TO BE SPEED ALONG.
14:09:16 WE HAVE JOHN ON THE LINE.
14:09:17 SIR, YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE THE COVID UPDATE?
14:09:19 >> JOHN ANTAPASIS WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE.
14:09:32 I WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON OUR CURRENT TRENDS AND
14:09:35 PROJECTED ACTIONS FOR COAST.
14:09:38 WE WORK CLOSELY WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THEIR
14:09:40 DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IN THE CASES AND TRENDS IN THE CITY
14:09:42 OF TAMPA.
14:09:43 OUR OFFICE HAS DEVELOPED COVID SITUATION REPORTS MONDAY
14:09:47 THROUGH FRIDAY ON ALL THESE DATA POINTS GIVEN TO US FROM
14:09:49 THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, AND JUST TO PUT IN THE
14:09:51 PERSPECTIVE WE HAVE WRITTEN 244 REPORTS AS OF MARCH 2020
14:09:56 AT THIS POINT.
14:09:57 WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE LOWER NEW CASE RACE AND
14:10:01 POSITIVITY RATES OVER THE LAST WEEK WHICH IS A TREND AND
14:10:03 OUR SEVEN-DAY AVERAGE FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS 8.31%
14:10:06 CURRENTLY, WHICH IS BELOW THE STATE 7-DAY AVERAGE AND
14:10:10 BELOW THAT 10% THRESHOLD GOAL THAT WAS SET BY THE
14:10:13 GOVERNOR'S FLORIDA PLAN SO WE ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT
14:10:17 DIRECTION.
14:10:18 TO KEEP THAT TREND GOING, THOUGH, THROUGH THE SUPER BOWL
14:10:20 WHERE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUT-OF-TOWNERS COMING IN, A
14:10:24 MASK MANDATE FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITY FOR SUPER BOWL EVENT,
14:10:28 CONTINUES TO REMAIN IN EFFECT AND ENFORCED HEAVILY BY TPD
14:10:32 AND CODE ENFORCEMENT, DOWNTOWN, RIVERWALK, ARMATURE WORKS
14:10:36 AND YBOR CITY.
14:10:37 THEN ON THE VACCINE FRONT, WE WILL ACTUALLY BE
14:10:40 ADMINISTERING COVID-19 TO SENIORS 65 AND UP THIS SATURDAY
14:10:44 AND BARKSDALE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND WE ARE ALSO GETTING
14:10:47 OUR SECOND DOSES FOR FIRST RESPONDERS THROUGH THIS WEEK
14:10:50 AS WELL.
14:10:52 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY CONTINUES TO PARTNER WITH THE STATE
14:10:54 OF FLORIDA TO OPERATE THE DRIVE THROUGH VACCINATION SITE
14:10:57 OVER AT THE UNIVERSITY MALL OFF OF FOWLER, AND THOSE ARE
14:11:00 FOR SENIORS 65 AND OVER AS WELL AS FRONT LINE HEALTH CARE
14:11:04 WORKERS AND THOSE APPOINTMENTS CAN BE MADE EITHER BY
14:11:06 CALLING 1866-200-3896 OR GO TO THE WEBSITE, MY VACCINE.FL
14:11:16 GOV.
14:11:16 WE ARE STILL IN ADDITION WAS THE COUNTY ABOUT
14:11:19 ESTABLISHING ANOTHER STATE RUN SITE IN HILLSBOROUGH
14:11:21 COUNTY BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE STILL ONGOING.
14:11:23 WE DID ALSO GET NOTIFICATION FROM THE NATIONAL LEVEL,
14:11:28 PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS RECENTLY ISSUED THAT 100%
14:11:30 REIMBURSEMENT FOR ALL COVID ACTIVITIES BACK TO JANUARY
14:11:34 2020 SO THAT WAS SOME GOOD NEWS AS WELL.
14:11:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:11:38 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I SEE YOUR HAND, SIR.
14:11:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, JOHN.
14:11:44 I KNOW I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY PROBABLY INVOLVED
14:11:51 AND WATCHING THE CLERK'S OFFICE, ET CETERA, BUT I'M SURE
14:11:53 YOU ARE PART OF THE TEAM, BUT WE WANTED TO THANK YOU AND
14:11:56 YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM YOU
14:12:00 DAILY.
14:12:01 I KNOW ON MY END, MY WIFE ASKS ME EVERY MORNING, WHAT ARE
14:12:07 THE NUMBERS?
14:12:07 I GO LOOKING FOR YOUR E-MAIL, AND WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
14:12:12 AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THEY ARE GOING DOWN SLIGHTLY.
14:12:15 THEY ARE STILL NOT GOOD BUT THEY ARE GOING DOWN, AND THEY
14:12:18 ARE TRENDING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
14:12:19 LET'S HOPE THAT SUPER BOWL DOESN'T IMPACT THAT
14:12:22 NEGATIVELY.
14:12:22 BUT ANYWAY, MY POINT IS, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK
14:12:27 AND KEEP IT UP.
14:12:31 JAY ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS.
14:12:32 I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR E-MAIL EACH MORNING AND HOPE THOSE
14:12:37 NUMBERS KEEP GOING DOWN.
14:12:38 BUT WE APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION, ALL YOUR HARD WORK
14:12:41 KEEPING US POSTED AND EDUCATED ON ALL THIS.
14:12:43 AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
14:12:45 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
14:12:46 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
14:12:49 >> DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE
14:12:51 UPDATE?
14:12:53 CHIEF BENNETT, IF YOU ARE STILL ON THE LINE?
14:12:55 >>JOHN BENNETT: I AM.
14:12:57 NO FURTHER UPDATES.
14:12:58 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
14:12:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT SETTLES THAT.
14:13:00 WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 59.
14:13:02 THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
14:13:07 OH, I'M SORRY, NUMBER 25, COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER
14:13:11 PULLED.
14:13:11 WE'LL DO THAT ONE AND THEN GO TO 59.
14:13:14 SO ITEM NUMBER 25 WAS PULLED.
14:13:15 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS SOME QUESTIONS.
14:13:19 LET'S TAKE A LOOK HERE.
14:13:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN HELP YOU OUT
14:13:25 ON IT.
14:13:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
14:13:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THIS IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD ITEM.
14:13:35 AND WHEN I READ THROUGH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH
14:13:41 THAT ASSOCIATION, THE AGREEMENT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD
14:13:45 PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CITY WHICH USUALLY WOULD
14:13:49 MEAN THAT THEY JUST PROVIDE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATION.
14:13:52 SO IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY, WHAT I PROPOSED TO LEGAL
14:13:56 DEPARTMENT AND SPECIFICALLY TO OUR TAMPA PLANNING IS THAT
14:14:01 WE AMEND THIS SLIGHTLY TO SAY THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD GET
14:14:07 A COPY AND IT WOULD COME UP ON OUR AGENDA ANNUALLY ONCE A
14:14:10 YEAR.
14:14:12 SO IN THE NAME OF TRANSPARENCY TO THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY
14:14:14 COUNCIL, THAT REPORT WOULD BE MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE TO US
14:14:19 AS WELL AS TO THE COMMUNITY.
14:14:22 SO WE MADE ONE MINOR CHANGE TO ONE PARAGRAPH
14:14:30 JAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ON BOARD, BUT FUR, IF YOU
14:14:33 2021 SPEAK TO IT, THAT'S FINE.
14:14:34 OTHER WAYS, I CAN FIND IT IN MY E-MAIL THAT I EMAILED TO
14:14:39 YOU GUYS AND READ IT FOR THE RECORD OR WHATEVER IS
14:14:42 NECESSARY.
14:14:43 JAN, ARE YOU THERE?
14:14:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON?
14:14:54 JUST BRING IT CLOSER THEN.
14:15:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST YELL THEN.
14:15:06 >> NO, GO TO THE LECTERN.
14:15:08 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU HEAR HER?
14:15:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
14:15:32 IS HER MIKE ON?
14:15:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
14:15:35 >>JAN MCLEAN: (NO AUDIO)
14:15:46 >>JAN MCLEAN: THIS IS A REVISION THAT WAS IN FRONT OF
14:15:53 YOU, AS MR. DINGFELDER INDICATED, A DELEGATION AGREEMENT
14:15:56 FOR THE CITY TO DELEGATE CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE OPTIONS
14:16:03 TO THE ASSOCIATION PURSUANT TO THIS AGREEMENT.
14:16:06 AS YOU RECALL, WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE SUMMER,
14:16:10 REVISED THE RESOLUTION, WHICH GOES TO ESTABLISHING THE
14:16:14 DISTRICT FOR THE ASSESSMENT, AND ADOPTED THE ROLE IN THE
14:16:18 FALL.
14:16:19 THIS IS THE LAST PIECE THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT
14:16:23 THE ASSESSMENT FOR THE DISTRICT.
14:16:26 I HAVE SPOKEN TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ASSOCIATION.
14:16:29 THEY ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THE REQUESTED SUBMITTAL
14:16:33 OF THE REPORT ANNUALLY.
14:16:35 AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT MR. DINGFELDER WOULD LIKE TO READ
14:16:41 THE REVISED LANGUAGE.
14:16:42 OR I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME IF HE NEEDS ME TO.
14:16:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I FOUND THE E-MAIL AND I WILL BE GLAD
14:16:49 TO READ IT.
14:16:50 MY MOTION WOULD BE TO AMEND AT PAGE 2 SECTION 4 PARAGRAPH
14:16:54 2 AND INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH: THE OWNERS
14:16:59 ASSOCIATION SHALL SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE CITY'S CHIEF
14:17:03 FINANCIAL OFFICER NO LATER THAN JUNE 1st OF EACH
14:17:06 CALENDAR WHICH SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA
14:17:09 CLERK'S OFFICE TO BE PLACED ON A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TO
14:17:13 BE RECEIVED AND FILED AND ACCESSIBLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
14:17:17 THE REPORT SHALL BE FOR THE PERIOD OF THE CITY'S PRIOR
14:17:19 FISCAL YEAR ENDING SEPTEMBER 30th AND SHALL INCLUDE,
14:17:23 A, A SUMMARY OF THE ACTIVITIES PROVIDED IN THE PREVIOUS
14:17:26 YEAR, B, A SUMMARY.
14:17:27 EXPENDITURES FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, C, TO INCREASE THE
14:17:31 SPECIAL ASSESSMENT RATE, D, THE AMOUNT OF ANY REVENUE TO
14:17:34 BE CARRIED OVER FROM ANY
14:17:37 E, A LIST OF THE DIRECTORS OF THE BOARD OF THE OWNERS
14:17:40 ASSOCIATION, F, A LIST OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS
14:17:42 ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE DISTRICT.
14:17:45 MR. CHAIRMAN, AS I STATED EARLIER, THE ONLY SUBSTANTIVE
14:17:48 CHANGE I MADE WAS TO ADD THIS TO OUR AGENDA AND MAKE SURE
14:17:53 THAT WE ALL GET A COPY AND THE PUBLIC IS ACCESSIBLE TO
14:17:58 IT.
14:17:59 THANK YOU.
14:18:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER
14:18:01 DINGFELDER.
14:18:02 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
14:18:03 AND THIS WOULD THEREFORE MOVE ITEM 25.
14:18:06 CORRECT?
14:18:10 TURN ON YOUR MIKE, SIR.
14:18:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS UP.
14:18:13 IT COMES AND GOES.
14:18:14 IT COMES AND GOES.
14:18:18 ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND THEN PRESENT IT TO
14:18:22 COUNCIL AS A SUBSTITUTE?
14:18:24 OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK?
14:18:29 >>JAN MCLEAN: OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY.
14:18:30 THE MOTION WOULD INCLUDE TO DIRECT MYSELF OR THE CITY
14:18:34 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE THE REVISIONS, I CAN MAKE THE
14:18:37 SUBSTITUTE FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE AT THIS TIME AND
14:18:41 SUBSTITUTE IT WITH THE CLERK'S APPLICATION.
14:18:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN MY MOTION.
14:18:47 THANK YOU, JAN.
14:18:47 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
14:18:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
14:18:51 SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.
14:18:53 ROLL CALL VOTE.
14:18:54 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
14:18:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
14:18:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
14:19:02 >> YES.
14:19:03 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:19:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
14:19:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
14:19:09 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14:19:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:19:13 THAT SETTLES THE PULLED ITEMS.
14:19:16 WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 59 SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
14:19:22 WE HAVE A LETTER BY JEAN DUNCAN.
14:19:25 IF YOU WOULD TAKE THIS ITEM, MA'AM.
14:19:26 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
14:19:30 BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL, WE
14:19:34 PRESENTED A $10 MILLION RESOLUTION LAST MONTH FOR
14:19:39 PROJECTS THAT ARE IN VERY EARLY DEVELOPMENT AND CALLING
14:19:44 PURE, WHICH STANDS FOR PURE -- RESOURCES FOR THE
14:19:48 ENVIRONMENT.
14:19:49 THIS PROJECT IS NOT TOILET TO TAP PROJECT TO GET THAT OUT
14:19:55 THERE.
14:20:00 THIS TO PROVIDE A SUSTAINABLE SOURCE OF WATER FOR THE
14:20:06 HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE RIVER, AND OUR NATURAL WATER
14:20:13 RESOURCES.
14:20:16 THE CITY STAFF HAS COMMUNICATED AND LISTENED TO
14:20:20 STAKEHOLDERS REGARDING THE PURE PROJECT, AND THE
14:20:24 FINANCIAL REVOLUTION WAS WRITTEN DURING THIS
14:20:29 CONVERSATION.
14:20:29 WE HAVE TAKEN INPUT TO HEART OF WHAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM
14:20:32 THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND WE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS THROUGH
14:20:37 THE DEVELOPMENT APPROACH.
14:20:40 -- WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH SWFWMD TO CRAFT -- AN APPROACH
14:20:47 TO THIS PROJECT, AND INCREMENTAL APPROACH HAS BEEN
14:20:52 RECEIVED BY THOSE PARTIES WE HAVE TALKED TO ABOUT THIS.
14:20:56 WE HAVE ALSO HAD SIMILAR DISCUSSIONS WITH TAMPA BAY
14:20:59 WATER, AND WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS
14:21:05 AND STAY A COMMITTED MEMBER OF THIS REGIONAL WATER
14:21:07 AGENCY.
14:21:10 THE CITY STAFF HAS FORMED A PURE PROJECT TEAM WHICH
14:21:14 CONSISTS OF LEADERS FOR A MULTITUDE OF DEPARTMENTS
14:21:18 BESIDES THE WATER AND WASTE WATER DEPARTMENT, ALSO
14:21:20 SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY OFFICER, BUDGET OFFICE,
14:21:24 LEGAL DEPARTMENT, STORMWATER DIVISION, GOVERNOR'S AFFAIRS
14:21:30 OFFICE, COMMUNICATIONS, AND MY OFFICE.
14:21:32 SO CROSS SECTION OF STAFF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS
14:21:35 DONE PROPERLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
14:21:40 WE ARE HERE TODAY TO REQUEST A SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED
14:21:43 FINANCIAL RESOLUTION ORIGINALLY AS I MENTIONED 10
14:21:47 MILLION, NOW COSTING $650,000 WHICH REPRESENTS A MATCH OF
14:21:54 FUNDING FOR WHICH WE BELIEVE WE WILL RECEIVE, AND THOSE
14:22:00 MONEYS ARE BASICALLY FOR OUR 30% DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
14:22:04 DESIGN TO ADDRESS THE FLOWS OF THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER AND
14:22:12 OUR NATURAL WATER ASSET, INCLUDING THE RIVER, THE
14:22:15 SPRINGS, AND THE AQUIFER.
14:22:19 I WOULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.
14:22:22 I DID PROVIDE A TENTATIVE TIMELINE.
14:22:30 THIS TIMELINE THAT WE WILL IDENTIFY AS WE GO FORWARD.
14:22:35 WE PLAN TO DO THAT WITH ENGAGEMENT AND THIRD PARTY
14:22:40 REVIEWS BY SUBJECT LEVEL EXPERTS.
14:22:45 THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE PURE PROJECT WOULD INCLUDE,
14:22:46 INITIATE OUR ANALYSIS, WITH THE BUDGET MATTER CONSULTING
14:22:52 FIRM, THAT ANNOUNCEMENTS WILL BEGIN IMMEDIATELY AND
14:22:56 SHOULD TAKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO COMPLETE.
14:23:00 EVERY BLUE STAR ON THE SCHEDULE INDICATES EITHER COUNCIL
14:23:02 ACTION OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
14:23:06 FOR EXAMPLE, WITH SOME OF THE $650,000 FUNDING WE ARE
14:23:09 REQUESTING, WE WILL INITIATE A PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS PLAN
14:23:14 AND START COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AROUND APRIL OF THIS YEAR.
14:23:21 HEARING NEWS STORIES OR THIS DISCUSSION AT FORUMS, WE
14:23:28 APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BUT WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET
14:23:31 THIS PROJECT UNDERWAY.
14:23:33 OUR SCHEDULED TIME BEFORE COUNCIL NEXT TIME, MORE
14:23:37 INFORMATION IS SCHEDULED TO BE IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
14:23:39 THE PLAN TO CONDUCT A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THE THIRD PARTY
14:23:42 REVIEW THAT IS GETTING UNDERWAY OF THE EXISTING TECHNICAL
14:23:48 DOCUMENTS THAT ARE RELATIVE TO THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT
14:23:50 WE ANTICIPATE DOING.
14:23:52 THIS WAS A REQUEST BY COUNCIL AND SOME OF THE
14:23:54 ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, AND WE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT
14:23:58 REQUEST.
14:23:59 THERE ARE SEVERAL MILESTONES IDENTIFIED ON THIS SCHEDULE
14:24:02 AGAIN, ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
14:24:05 DESIGN PURE PROJECT.
14:24:11 I REFER TO THE SCHEDULE AS TENTATIVE BECAUSE SOME OF THE
14:24:13 FUNDING DECISIONS ARE NOT MADE YET AND AS WE SUBMIT MORE
14:24:17 DETAILS TO SWFWMD, WITH CORRESPONDING FINANCIAL DECISIONS
14:24:21 AND OUR SCHEDULE WILL PROBABLY REST ON.
14:24:25 IT'S OUR INTENTION AND COMMITMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
14:24:27 THE BEST STAKEHOLDER COMMUNICATION AND PROPOSING SAFE AND
14:24:33 RESPONSIBLE PROJECTS TO ENSURE THAT THE HEALTH OF THE
14:24:36 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER IS MAINTAINED.
14:24:38 WE WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT EXPERIMENT IN ANY WAY WITH OUR
14:24:42 PRECIOUS WATER ASSET OR THE HEALTH OF OUR RESIDENTS.
14:24:46 AND WE'LL HAVE EVERY QUALITY CONTROL AND EMERGENCY
14:24:49 MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL INTO OUR PROJECT FOR SAFE CONDITIONS.
14:24:57 WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER
14:24:58 OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WHO OFFERED THEIR TIME TODAY TO
14:25:02 BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
14:25:06 TO THE GO DOWN THE LIST, WE HAVE DONNA HOUSTON, PH.D.,
14:25:10 SENIOR AT USF AND DEAN OF THE COLLEGE OF PUBLIC HEALTH.
14:25:14 WE HAVE DR. EVA STEINLE-DARLING FROM STANFORD UNIVERSITY.
14:25:19 SHE'S WORKED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND FOR THE WORLD
14:25:21 HEALTH ORGANIZATION AS WELL.
14:25:23 WE HAVE GOT ANDREW SULLIVAN, PE REGISTERED IN THE STATE
14:25:28 OF FLORIDA, WATER REUSE CHIEF WITH CAROLLO ENGINEERING.
14:25:34 ALSO MR. ELLIOTT, A SENIOR VP WITH CAROLLO AND ANOTHER
14:25:39 SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN THIS AREA.
14:25:41 FINALLY MR. MARK McNEIL IS A PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST.
14:25:45 HE'S ALSO THE CEO OF HYDROGEOLOGIC EXPERT, AND A
14:25:51 CONSULTANT ACTUALLY FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
14:25:53 ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
14:25:55 SO WITH THAT, I WILL STOP AND ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS
14:25:59 THAT THE COUNCIL HAS.
14:26:00 OUR TEAM IS HERE.
14:26:01 OUR CONSULTANTS ARE READY.
14:26:02 AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.
14:26:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:26:13 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
14:26:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JEAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT
14:26:19 INTRODUCTION, AND THANKS TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE THERE AT
14:26:23 YOUR TABLE AS WELL AS THE OTHERS WHO ARE ON THE LINE.
14:26:34 OBVIOUSLY THE COMMUNITY IS HITTING US WITH A LOT OF
14:26:36 QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF CONCERNS, AND I JUST WANT TO
14:26:39 APPLAUD THE MAYOR, THE ADMINISTRATION ON BACKING DOWN A
14:26:47 LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT SOUNDED A LITTLE BIT LIKE A RUSH
14:26:51 SCENARIO AND A VERY, VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE SCENARIO, $10
14:26:55 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
14:26:57 YEAR, AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, $650,000 WHICH
14:27:01 IS A LOT OF MONEY, AND IT'S MORE THAN INCREMENTAL, AND
14:27:09 THE OTHER THING I WANT TO APPLAUD THE ADMINISTRATION ON,
14:27:11 ESPECIALLY THE MAYOR, IS QUICKLY AGREEING TO THE
14:27:16 INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC REVIEW.
14:27:20 AS I STATED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, I THINK IT'S ONE THING,
14:27:25 AND I TRUST EVERYBODY THAT YOU HAVE INVOLVED.
14:27:29 I HAVE NO REASON TO NOT TRUST THEM.
14:27:31 BUT WHEN YOU ARE WORKING ON SOMETHING FOR AS MANY YEARS
14:27:34 AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, AFTER A WHILE, YOU
14:27:37 MIGHT BECOME MYOPIC, AND NOT SEE SOME THINGS THAT OTHER
14:27:43 PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY AND INDEPENDENTLY FROM
14:27:46 AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE MIGHT SEE AND POINT OUT.
14:27:49 SO THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR QUICKLY AGREED TO THE
14:27:51 INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC REVIEW, I APPLAUD HER FOR AND I
14:27:55 APPLAUD ALL OF YOU FOR PARTICIPATING TODAY.
14:27:59 MY QUESTION TO MR. McGRAFF, I THINK HE'S AT YOUR TABLE
14:28:04 THERE, ISN'T HE?
14:28:06 I THINK I SEE HIM.
14:28:07 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, HE'S HERE, YES.
14:28:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MARK, WHICH ONE ARE YOU?
14:28:12 WE CAN'T SEE.
14:28:13 OKAY.
14:28:14 SO MANY MASKS.
14:28:17 MARK AND I SPOKE ON THE PHONE AT A PRIOR MEETING AND I
14:28:20 APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME YOU PUT INTO THIS.
14:28:24 SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED HAVE TO DO
14:28:27 WITH THE LINE STONE GEOLOGICAL FORMATION THAT IS
14:28:35 UNDERNEATH ALL OF FLORIDA, BUT SPECIFICALLY IS INVOLVED
14:28:40 IN THIS PROJECT.
14:28:41 AND I KNOW THAT BRAD AND I HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST ABOUT
14:28:44 THE FACT THAT WE INJECT MANY MILLIONS OF GALLONS A DAY
14:28:49 ALREADY INTO THE AQUIFER OF TREATED WATER THAT COMES OUT
14:28:54 OF OUR WATER PLANT JUST AS A STORAGE MECHANISM WHEN WE
14:28:58 HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR I THINK MORE THAN A DECADE AT
14:29:01 LEAST.
14:29:02 AND THE AQUIFER STORAGE PROGRAM.
14:29:06 THIS OBVIOUSLY IS A MUCH GREATER MAGNITUDE BECAUSE WE ARE
14:29:11 TALKING ABOUT I GUESS AS MUCH AS 50 MILLION GALLONS A
14:29:15 DAY.
14:29:15 SO I GUESS THE KEY QUESTION IS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE DONE
14:29:19 IT IN THE PAST ON A SMALLER MAGNITUDE, HOW CAN WE BE SURE
14:29:24 THAT THIS MAGNITUDE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE SOME NEGATIVE
14:29:27 IMPACT?
14:29:28 I KNOW IT HAS SOME POSITIVE IMPACT IN TERMS OF PUSHING
14:29:31 BACK THE SALTWATER.
14:29:32 BUT HOW CAN WE BE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY
14:29:35 NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE LIMESTONE GEOLOGY UNDER THE
14:29:43 GROUND?
14:29:44 ESPECIALLY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF FEET UNDER THE
14:29:47 GROUND?
14:29:47 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
14:29:54 MY NAME IS MARK McNEIL, 36 YEARS HERE IN THE TAMPA
14:30:00 AREA, AND WANT TO SAY GO BUCS.
14:30:07 WITH THAT, AQUIFER STORAGE RECOVERY SYSTEM FOR 20 YEARS
14:30:16 NOW.
14:30:18 WE HAVE ONE OF THE LONGEST RUNNING SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS IN
14:30:22 THE STATE, IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND IT HAS HAD SOME
14:30:33 CHALLENGES OVER THE YEARS.
14:30:34 WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM THOSE CHALLENGES.
14:30:36 AND EACH YEAR, WE GET BETTER OPERATING THAT SYSTEM.
14:30:44 WHAT THIS FIRST PHASE WOULD ALLOW US TO DO IS COME IN AND
14:30:48 EXPAND ON WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE ASR PROGRAM AND START
14:30:52 IMPROVING THE WATER QUALITY COMING FROM THAT ASR SYSTEM
14:30:59 THAT WOULD BE PLACED INTO THE RESERVOIR SYSTEM
14:31:01 DOWNSTREAM.
14:31:05 AND WILL ALLOW US TO IMPROVE THE RECOVERED WATER QUALITY.
14:31:09 RIGHT NOW THAT ASR SYSTEM HAS SOME CHALLENGES IN THAT
14:31:12 OVER THE SPAN OF THE DRY SEASON, WE START TO PULL UP
14:31:19 SALTIER WATER, AND THAT EXTENDED DRY SEASON GOES ON.
14:31:24 WHAT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO DO IS PULL UP HIGHER QUALITY
14:31:30 WATER AND INTRODUCE THAT BACK INTO THE RESERVOIR SYSTEM
14:31:33 THERE.
14:31:33 SO TO ADDRESS THE CARS FEATURE HERE, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT
14:31:39 MANY PLACES WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THE GEOLOGY THAN WE DO A
14:31:46 SO WE CAN FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LOGICAL EXPANSION OF OUR
14:31:50 CURRENT SITE, IF YOU WILL, AND WE HAVE ONLY GONE FROM
14:31:59 ZERO TO 50 MTB OVERNIGHT. IN MY MIND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN
14:32:03 ABOUT BABY STEPS, ABOUT ONE MILLION GALLONS OF STORAGE.
14:32:07 WE STARTED WITH ONE ASR WELL.
14:32:10 THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
14:32:12 WE EXPANDED IT TO WHAT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR THE LAST 20
14:32:16 YEARS.
14:32:17 SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES ALONG THE WAY TO STOP, SEE WHAT WE
14:32:22 HAVE GOT, AND MAKE ANY SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS OR TWEAKS IN
14:32:27 HOW WE OPERATE THAT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THE SAFETY OF THE
14:32:32 PUBLIC AND THE ENVIRONMENT ARE PROTECTED.
14:32:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE LAST QUESTION OR
14:32:43 REQUEST, MAYBE THE OBVIOUS.
14:32:45 I UNDERSTAND THAT SCIENTIFIC REVIEWS THAT WERE DONE NOW
14:32:51 OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, JEAN, WERE ONLY REVIEWED,
14:32:55 THE REPORTS THAT WE HAVE PRODUCED ALREADY, WE CAN'T
14:33:00 REVIEW SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET, BUT I WOULD
14:33:03 URGE OR FIRMLY REQUEST THAT AS WE PROCEED FORWARD THROUGH
14:33:10 THAT TIMELINE, THAT EVERY OPPORTUNITY, WHEN THERE ARE
14:33:14 INTERNAL REPORTS GENERATED, THAT WE CONTINUE THAT
14:33:18 INDEPENDENCE AND HAVE IT REVIEWED ON AN ONGOING BASIS FOR
14:33:23 X NUMBER OF YEARS, MAYBE FOREVER.
14:33:25 I DON'T KNOW.
14:33:26 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN BUILDING
14:33:30 IN THAT APPEAR REVIEW, THIRD PARTY REVIEW, STAFF REVIEW
14:33:38 REQUIREMENT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE A CERTAIN POINT, THEY
14:33:40 WILL DO THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY REVIEW.
14:33:45 BUT WE ARE COMPLETELY IN AGREEMENT THAT THE MORE CRITICAL
14:33:52 WE CAN BUILD WITH SUPPORTING WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING THEN
14:33:57 WE CAN ENSURE A GOOD PROJECT FOR THE PUBLIC AND COMFORT
14:33:59 LEVEL FOR EVERYONE TO GO FORWARD.
14:34:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK WE MUST
14:34:05 HAVE A LOT OF UNIVERSITY EXPERTS.
14:34:09 MAYBE WE CAN EVEN CONTRACT WITH THE BEST UNIVERSITY, THE
14:34:13 UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.
14:34:14 BUT ANYWAY --
14:34:16 [ LAUGHTER ]
14:34:18 >> WHOA, WHOA.
14:34:19 POINT OF ORDER.
14:34:20 [ LAUGHTER ]
14:34:23 >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
14:34:25 FLORIDA.
14:34:25 >> THANK YOU,.
14:34:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN
14:34:33 VIERA.
14:34:33 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO START BY ECHOING WHAT
14:34:36 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID ABOUT THE MAYOR AND OTHERS
14:34:41 WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE DIRECTION ON THIS AND INCLUDE SOME
14:34:43 OF THE THINGS WE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.
14:34:46 AS HE ALSO SAID, THE PUBLIC HAS ASKED A WHOLE BUNCH OF
14:34:49 QUESTIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO ASK ON THE RECORD.
14:34:51 AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK SEVERAL OF THOSE IF MY COLLEAGUES
14:34:55 WILL ALLOW, AND THEN I HAVE JUST A REAL SHORT STATEMENT
14:34:57 AT THE END.
14:35:01 IF I COULD.
14:35:02 AND THE LENGTH DEPENDS ON HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU TO
14:35:04 ANSWER.
14:35:04 I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE ARE LONG ANSWERS.
14:35:07 I'LL JUST START.
14:35:07 THE SCOPE IS $650,000.
14:35:10 BUT AT LEAST TO THE PUBLIC IT SOUNDS SIMILAR TO THE SAME
14:35:13 SCOPE THAT WAS FOR 10 MILLION.
14:35:15 WHAT'S CHANGED?
14:35:16 WHAT'S NOT BEING DONE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IF WE HAD
14:35:18 APPROVED 10 MILLION?
14:35:20 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, COUNCILMAN
14:35:28 CARLSON.
14:35:29 BASICALLY, THE 650,000 IS GOING TO BE -- MOST OF THAT
14:35:36 WON'T BE SPENT UNTIL LATER THIS YEAR WHEN WE FIND OUT
14:35:39 WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO GET APPROVAL FROM SWFWMD FOR
14:35:42 CO-FUNDING AND THAT WOULD BE OUR 30% BUDGET DEVELOPMENT
14:35:46 AND DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT WHICH WE ANTICIPATE IS GOING
14:35:53 TO TAKE A CERTAIN SHAPE AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
14:35:56 WE'LL HAVE THAT PINNED DOWN MORE SPECIFICALLY ONCE WE GO
14:35:58 INTO OUR ANALYSIS, THE EXACT FRAMEWORK OF THE PROJECT.
14:36:03 SO RIGHT NOW THE ONLY MONEY THAT WE PLAN TO SPEND IN THE
14:36:07 NEXT FEW MONTHS ARE $200,000, PUBLICATION PLANS AND THE
14:36:16 APPEAR REVIEW OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT MR. DINGFELDER JUST
14:36:18 MENTIONED.
14:36:20 THE BIGGER NUMBER, THE BALANCE OF THE 650, THAT BASICALLY
14:36:27 WAS THE FULL DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT, AND WHAT WE SAW AT
14:36:33 THE TIME WOULD BE A REAL STRONG STATEMENT ON THE PART OF
14:36:36 THE CITY TO SHOW THE COMMITMENT TO THIS PROJECT AND SKIN
14:36:42 WE HAVE IN THIS GAME.
14:36:43 BUT AS FAR AS CONVERSATIONS WITH SWFWMD, WE WILL WORK
14:36:48 THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT -- AND ABLE TO SCALE THINGS BACK,
14:36:55 AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH AS WELL.
14:36:58 SO THAT'S WHAT WE PLANNED.
14:37:02 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
14:37:03 AND SO THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE ADDED IN IS A THIRD PARTY
14:37:07 REVIEW WHICH I THINK COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IN PARTICULAR
14:37:10 WAS PUSHING FOR.
14:37:12 WHO WILL THAT CONSULTANT REPORT TO?
14:37:13 HOW WILL THEY BE SELECTED?
14:37:15 WILL THEY BE CONFLICTED OUT OF FUTURE WORK?
14:37:18 WILL THEY BE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT IF IT'S
14:37:20 APPROVED?
14:37:21 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE'LL CERTAINLY CONSIDER THEIR
14:37:33 INVOLVEMENT GOING FORWARD, BUT HE CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE
14:37:36 BIT ABOUT HOW WE WOULD SELECT THAT CONSULTANT.
14:37:38 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAIN THING IS ABOUT CONFLICT OF
14:37:40 INTEREST.
14:37:40 SO HOW DO WE PREVENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO MAKE SURE
14:37:43 THAT THAT CONSULTANT IS NOT RECOMMENDING A PROJECT THAT
14:37:46 THEN THEY WOULD MAKE $400 MILLION IMPLEMENTING?
14:37:49 >> RIGHT.
14:37:52 AND BRAD BAIRD AGAIN.
14:37:56 FIRST. WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE TWO THIRD-PARTY REVIEWS, ONE
14:37:59 FOR THE TECHNICAL REPORTS, AND YES, COUNCILMAN
14:38:02 DINGFELDER, THERE'S CERTAINLY NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T
14:38:05 CONTINUE THAT FOR FUTURE REPORTS AS WELL.
14:38:07 AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE THIRD PARTY REVIEW OF THE
14:38:11 30% DESIGN THAT SWFWMD TAKES THE LEAD ON, AND THAT IS
14:38:19 PART OF THE COOPERATIVE FUNDING AGREEMENT.
14:38:20 BUT BACK TO THE FIRST ONE, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONE YOU
14:38:23 ARE REFERRING TO, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE THE PERSON OF THE
14:38:34 FIRM DOING THE THIRD PARTY REVIEW WILL NOT BE -- WILL NOT
14:38:38 BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE LARGER PROJECT.
14:38:42 MOST RECENTLY, WE HAVE DONE THAT THREE OR FOUR TIMES
14:38:46 PROJECTS IN THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING SECTION WHEN WE DO
14:38:49 A BASIS OF DESIGN REVIEW.
14:38:51 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST SO MY COLLEAGUES DON'T CUT ME OFF I
14:38:54 WILL KEEP GOING ON.
14:38:56 THE TIMELINE MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THE PURE PROJECT IS NOW A
14:39:00 PROCESS, NOT A PROJECT. WITH THE WAY PURE WAS PRESENTED
14:39:04 TO US IS IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF TAP WHICH IS A PROJECT.
14:39:08 WE ASKED FOR ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS FOR TAP AND WE GOT
14:39:12 OTHER ALTERNATIVES. BUT IS PURE NOW A PROCESS?
14:39:15 AND HOW DO WE SURE IT'S OBJECTIVITY TO MAKE SURE THAT
14:39:19 PURE IS NOT PREDESTINED, IF IT'S A PROCESS, TO MAKE SURE
14:39:23 THAT IT'S NOT PRESENTED TO BE A PARTICULAR PROJECT RATHER
14:39:26 THAN SOLUTION TO THE THREE BIG PROBLEMS THAT WERE
14:39:28 PRESENTED?
14:39:29 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD SAY IT IS A PROJECT THAT WILL GO
14:39:32 THROUGH THE PROCESS.
14:39:34 AND THAT'S STANDARD FOR ANY PROJECT, WHAT DEPARTMENT OR
14:39:39 TYPE OF PROJECT IT IS.
14:39:41 THE PROJECT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
14:39:43 AND THE PROCESS ALMOST ALWAYS -- PROBABLY MANY
14:39:53 STRUCTURES --
14:39:57 >>BILL CARLSON: THAT LEAD ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION IF I
14:39:58 COULD.
14:39:59 YOU HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS TIMELINE LAST NIGHT A VERY
14:40:02 SHORT WINDOW TO DO AN ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS WHICH WE HAD
14:40:05 REQUESTED.
14:40:08 IF PURE IS A PROJECT THAT IS ALREADY PREDETERMINED, HOW
14:40:11 SERIOUS WILL THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS BE AND IS THERE
14:40:14 OBJECTIVITY BUILT INTO THAT SO THAT AGAIN IF USING
14:40:19 SCIENTIFIC METHOD IF WE GO BACK AND BASIC SCIENTIFIC
14:40:22 METHOD WE LEARNED IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU IDENTIFY A
14:40:25 PROBLEM AND THEN COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS AND
14:40:27 THEN YOU CHOOSE THE BEST SOLUTION OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
14:40:30 THIS SEEMS TO BE THAT WE HAVE A SOLUTION AND NOW WE ARE
14:40:33 TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT.
14:40:34 HOW DO WE KNOW THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS WILL BE FAIR AND
14:40:37 OBJECTIVE?
14:40:38 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WELL, WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO MAKE SURE
14:40:41 WITHOUT A CERTIFIED CONSULTANT THAT'S GOING TO CONDUCT
14:40:44 THAT FOR US, WE ARE GOING TO DESCRIBE -- THAT WERE NEVER
14:40:50 INSTALLED, TO NOBODY WHAT ALTERNATIVES TO ANALYZE, COME
14:40:54 UP WITH THE BEST SELECTION.
14:40:56 THERE IS ALREADY SOME SENSE OF HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS THESE
14:40:59 PROBLEMS.
14:41:01 WE DON'T START OFF BLINDLY.
14:41:06 WE HAVE TO KNOW MORE OR LESS WHERE WE WILL END UP
14:41:08 GENERALLY SPEAKING ON ANY PROJECT, NOT THAT WE APPRAISE
14:41:12 DETERMINE THINGS, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE
14:41:14 TO KNOW THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN OPPORTUNITIES AND CERTAIN
14:41:17 CHOICES THAT WE'LL HAVE.
14:41:18 >>BILL CARLSON: I HOPE FRESH EYES AND OTHERS WILL LOOK
14:41:23 AT IT. THE NEXT QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC ASKED, CAN YOU
14:41:25 TELL US HOW THIS PROJECT IS RANKED WITH SWFWMD FOR
14:41:28 FUNDING RIGHT NOW?
14:41:29 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE FROM SWFWMD
14:41:33 THAT'S AVAILABLE.
14:41:34 I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO BE GIVE THAT
14:41:36 INFORMATION YET BECAUSE OUR INFORMATION NOW WOULD BE MAKE
14:41:40 THAT DECISION IN JUNE.
14:41:42 >>BILL CARLSON: ON THEIR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A
14:41:46 RANKING.
14:41:46 COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THAT RANKING IS?
14:41:49 >>BRAD BAIRD: MAYBE I CAN TAKE THAT.
14:41:54 BRAD BAIRD AGAIN.
14:41:57 WE JUST YESTERDAY SUBMITTED THE REVISED APPLICATION.
14:42:01 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE RANKING IS
14:42:03 TODAY, THOUGH, NOT WHAT IT WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE BASED
14:42:06 ON SOME OTHER FUTURE PLANS?
14:42:08 >>BRAD BAIRD: I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A NUMBER RANKING
14:42:11 AT THIS POINT.
14:42:12 WHETHER IT'S JUST RANKED HIGH, MEDIUM OR LOW, I BELIEVE,
14:42:15 AT THIS POINT.
14:42:16 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK IT'S RANKED NOT TO BE
14:42:20 RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING.
14:42:21 ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
14:42:23 >>BRAD BAIRD: NOT TO BE -- RIGHT.
14:42:25 >>BILL CARLSON: RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL
14:42:28 INFORMATION, SWFWMD WOULD MOST LIKELY NOT FUND THIS THIS
14:42:31 YEAR.
14:42:32 IS THAT CORRECT?
14:42:33 >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT APPEARS TO BE CORRECT, YES.
14:42:35 >>BILL CARLSON: IF THERE'S SOMEBODY FROM SWFWMD --
14:42:38 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE INFORMATION THEY RECEIVED YESTERDAY,
14:42:40 THAT REVIEW COULD BE CHANGED.
14:42:44 >>BILL CARLSON: THEN HOW MUCH ARE WE PERMITTED TO USE AT
14:42:46 SULPHUR SPRINGS TO MEET MFL?
14:42:55 IS THAT AROUND 11 MILLION MGD?
14:42:59 >>BRAD BAIRD: MAYBE JAN MCLEAN CAN ADDRESS THAT.
14:43:02 >>BILL CARLSON: I AM NOT ASKING A LEGAL OPINION.
14:43:05 CAN YOU -- SORRY, PERMITTING.
14:43:07 HOW MUCH DO WE DRAW FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS A DAY?
14:43:09 NOT FROM A LEGAL.
14:43:10 >>BRAD BAIRD: I BELIEVE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, WE ARE
14:43:18 PERMITTED TO USE 17 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND FOR THE --
14:43:25 >>BILL CARLSON: IS THAT ABOUT 11 MGD?
14:43:28 >>BRAD BAIRD: YES.
14:43:30 AND THEN FOR WATER SUPPLY, AND THEN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT I
14:43:36 BELIEVE IT'S 10 OR 11 CFS FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS.
14:43:42 >>BILL CARLSON: SO THIS PURE PROJECT WOULD PURIFY 50 MGD
14:43:48 SO WHAT WOULD THE OTHER 40 OR SO, WHERE WOULD THAT GO?
14:43:52 THE CONCERN IS, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT THE WATER RIGHT NOW
14:43:55 IS BEING WASTED BY BEING THROWN IN THE BAY.
14:43:58 NOW YOU HAVE 40 MGD, THAT THE SCIENTISTS WILL SAY WILL BE
14:44:03 DRINKING WATER QUALITY BUT IT'S BEING PUT IN THE RIVER.
14:44:05 >>BRAD BAIRD: IT WOULD BE -- WHAT WE COMMITTED FOR
14:44:13 MINIMUM FLOWS FOR THE RIVER FOR PURE WOULD BE 17.5
14:44:20 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
14:44:21 AT THIS POINT THAT'S -- FOR THEM.
14:44:26 AND THEN THE REMAINDER DURING TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE
14:44:30 IT'S DRY, WHERE WE HAVE EVEN DROUGHT CONDITIONS, THE
14:44:33 REMAINDER OF THAT WOULD BE USED FOR DROUGHT PROOFING.
14:44:37 >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN YOU ARE PULLING THE WATER BACK OUT
14:44:39 OF THE AQUIFER, IS IT GOING INTO THE RESERVOIR?
14:44:42 >>BRAD BAIRD: YES.
14:44:44 >>BILL CARLSON: AND HOW DO YOU SEPARATE THE WATER THAT'S
14:44:48 NOT TREATED, POTTY WATER FROM THE OTHER WATER THAT'S IN
14:44:52 THE RESERVOIR, THAT OUR DRINKING WATER IS PULLED FROM?
14:44:56 YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM TAP IN THAT WE ARE
14:44:58 NOT DRINKING IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE -- I MEAN, YOU ARE
14:45:02 USING THE AQUIFER AS A FILTER AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO
14:45:04 PUT THE WATER IN THE RESERVOIR WHERE THE DRINKING WATER
14:45:07 COMES FROM.
14:45:08 IS THAT RIGHT?
14:45:08 >> FIRST, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE WOULD PUT IN THE
14:45:11 AQUIFER IS DRINKING WATER QUALITY. WE --
14:45:14 >>BILL CARLSON: DRINKING WATER, PROCESS WASTEWATER,
14:45:18 RIGHT.
14:45:19 >>BRAD BAIRD: IT'S DRINKING WATER, BUT WITH THAT PART OF
14:45:23 THE 650,000, IS TO LOOK AT THE TREATMENT PROCESS THAT'S
14:45:27 NEEDED TO TAKE TO DRINKING WATER STANDARDS OR EXCEED
14:45:31 DRINKING WATER STANDARDS.
14:45:32 THEN YES, WHEN IT'S RECOVERED FROM THE AQUIFER, IT WOULD
14:45:35 GO INTO THE RESERVOIR, CLOSER TO THE DAM.
14:45:46 >>BILL CARLSON: IF THE PUBLIC SAYS, WE HAVE CONCERNS
14:45:48 THAT THIS TREATED WATER, HOWEVER WELL IT'S TREATED, IS
14:45:51 GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY PUT INTO OUR DRINKING WATER
14:45:55 SUPPLY, YOU JUST SAID YES, IT IS, RIGHT?
14:45:58 >>BRAD BAIRD: YES.
14:46:00 I ALWAYS SAY YOU CANNOT -- SOME OF THAT WATER DURING
14:46:04 TIMES WHEN WE ARE PULLING, WHERE WE ARE PUTTING IN 50
14:46:10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY INTO THE RESERVOIR, AS WELL AS OUR
14:46:15 DEMAND DURING DRY TIMES, SOME OF THAT WATER WILL MAKE ITS
14:46:21 WAY BACK --
14:46:22 >>BILL CARLSON: MY COLLEAGUES ARE RESTLESS.
14:46:25 I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.
14:46:27 DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING?
14:46:34 LET ME ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
14:46:36 ONE IS, HOW MUCH IS THE ANTICIPATED WATER DEMAND THAT THE
14:46:40 CITY OF TAMPA HAS 20 YEARS FROM NOW?
14:46:42 SO WE ARE PULLING IN I THINK 82 MGD FROM THE RIVER RIGHT
14:46:48 NOW.
14:46:48 WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED DEMAND FOR THE CITY IN 2041?
14:46:54 SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
14:46:59 >> CHUCK WEBER CAN ANSWER THAT ONE.
14:47:01 >>CHUCK WEBER: CHUCK WEBER, WATER DEPARTMENT.
14:47:03 I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OFF THE TOP MY HEAD.
14:47:06 OVER THE NEXT DECADE OR SO WE ARE LOOKING AT ONLY AN
14:47:09 ADDITIONAL ROUGHLY 8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
14:47:12 >>BILL CARLSON: SO LET'S SAY ON THE HIGH NUMBER WE NEED
14:47:16 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY BUT WE ARE SPENDING -- DO YOU
14:47:20 HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE OPERATING EXPENSES WILL BE OF 400
14:47:24 MILLION?
14:47:24 >>CHUCK WEBER: I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
14:47:28 >>BILL CARLSON: ONCE YOU BUILD THIS PLANT, THE OPERATING
14:47:31 EXPENSES LIKE CHEMICAL BILLS FOR 250,000 AND EQUIPMENT
14:47:34 AND MAINTENANCE AND ALL THAT, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA, IS
14:47:37 THAT WHAT THE ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSE WOULD BE?
14:47:40 IT'S FOR A MILLION PLUS INTEREST PLUS OPERATING EXPENSES,
14:47:43 RIGHT?
14:47:47 >>CHUCK WEBER: WELL, WE HAVEN'T DEFINED THE FINAL
14:47:50 PROJECT COSTS.
14:47:51 IT CAN RANGE FROM 300 TO 400 MILLION AS THE CURRENT
14:47:54 ESTIMATES.
14:47:55 WHEN WE FINISH THE 30% DESIGN, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA
14:47:59 OF WHAT WE CAN CALCULATE WHAT THE OPERATING COSTS ARE.
14:48:02 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS THE OPERATING EXPENSE FOR
14:48:04 CURRENT A YEAR?
14:48:05 >>CHUCK WEBER: AS FAR AS CHEMICAL AND --
14:48:12 >>BILL CARLSON: THE WHOLE OPERATING, LABOR, MAINTENANCE,
14:48:14 CHEMICALS, EVERYTHING.
14:48:15 WHAT'S THE TOTAL OPERATING EXPENSE?
14:48:17 >>CHUCK WEBER: I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF
14:48:20 MY HEAD.
14:48:21 >>BILL CARLSON: ANYWAY IT'S SOME NUMBER, BUT WE ARE
14:48:24 GOING TO BE SPENDING -- YOU SAID WE NEED MAYBE 8 MILLION,
14:48:27 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY, IN 20 YEARS, AND THIS
14:48:31 IS GOING TO PRODUCE 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF DRINKING
14:48:34 WATER QUALITY.
14:48:35 SO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER 40 MILLION?
14:48:37 ARE WE GOING TO QUOTE-UNQUOTE WASTE IT BY POURING IT INTO
14:48:40 THE RIVER?
14:48:41 OR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT?
14:48:45 >>CHUCK WEBER: SURE.
14:48:48 WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO MIX TERMS.
14:48:50 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 17 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THAT'S A
14:48:54 RATE AT WHICH WE WILL BE ABLE TO PULL FROM MINIMUM FLOWS.
14:48:58 AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AS FAR AS
14:49:02 THE PURE PROJECT, THAT'S AN ANNUAL AVERAGE.
14:49:04 BUT IT'S ALSO A MAX CAPACITY.
14:49:06 AND SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE RIVER FLOW IN DRY CONDITIONS,
14:49:14 WE NEED TO RUN THE SYSTEM AT 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY,
14:49:17 EVEN THOUGH OUR ANNUAL AVERAGE WILL BE LESS.
14:49:19 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MUCH IS THE ANNUAL EXISTING AVERAGE?
14:49:22 HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THE ANNUAL AVERAGE WILL BE?
14:49:25 >>CHUCK WEBER: IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW THE CLIMATE
14:49:29 CHANGES AND WHAT KIND OF SEASON WE ARE IN, WHETHER WE
14:49:33 HAVE A REALLY DRY SEASON OR WET SEASON.
14:49:35 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW IF FOR THIS PROJECT YOU NEED
14:49:39 AN INJECTION WELL PERMIT?
14:49:41 >>CHUCK WEBER: I BELIEVE WE WILL NEED A PERMIT FROM --
14:49:48 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T NEED A LONG ANSWER.
14:49:50 WHAT ABOUT A WITHDRAWAL WELL PERMIT?
14:49:53 >>CHUCK WEBER: YES, WE WILL NEED A PERMIT FROM DEP FOR
14:49:58 ANY RECHARGE WELL --
14:50:00 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT A DRINKING WATER CONSUMPTION
14:50:03 USE PERMIT FOR THE RESERVOIR?
14:50:05 >>CHUCK WEBER: THE RECOVERY WELL THAT WOULD BE
14:50:09 ASSOCIATED WITH THIS OUT OF ROME AVENUE ARE ALREADY
14:50:14 PERMITTED FOR RECOVERY WATER FROM THE SYSTEM BUT
14:50:17 ADDITIONAL WELLS WOULD HAVE TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH
14:50:18 SWFWMD FOR WATER USE PERMITTING.
14:50:22 >>BILL CARLSON: SO THE ULTIMATE WATER THAT COMES OUT OF
14:50:24 HERE, WOULD THAT NOT BE BECAUSE IT'S DRINKING WATER
14:50:26 QUALITY STANDARD, WOULDN'T THAT BE UNDER A DRINKING WATER
14:50:32 CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT?
14:50:36 >>JAN MCLEAN: [OFF MICROPHONE] IF I COULD.
14:50:37 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK YOUR MIKE IS NOT ON.
14:50:41 SORRY.
14:50:41 >>JAN MCLEAN: SORRY.
14:50:42 A CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT IS NOT JUST FOR DRINKING WATER.
14:50:47 IT'S A PERMIT ISSUED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT FOR
14:50:49 ANY DIVERSION, WITHDRAWAL OR USE OF WATER WHICH COULD
14:50:54 INCLUDE WATER THAT IS DIVERTED FROM MINIMUM FLOW.
14:50:58 >>BILL CARLSON: AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR LEGAL
14:51:00 AND PROBABLY MY LAST QUESTION, ALTHOUGH I HAVE A BUNCH OF
14:51:04 OTHERS.
14:51:06 WE SAY IN OUR REGIONAL COLLABORATIVE THAT NOW WE ARE NOT
14:51:12 GOING TO PRODUCE THIS FOR DRINKING WATER, ONE OF THE
14:51:16 ALLEGATIONS OF THE PUBLIC IS WE ARE GOING TO SECRETLY
14:51:19 SELL IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T NEED THIS MUCH.
14:51:22 WE NEED 8 MILLION IN 20 YEARS.
14:51:26 IF WE ARE TAKING DRINKING WATER QUALITY AND WE ARE
14:51:29 PUTTING IT IN THE RESERVOIR AND WE PULL OUR OUT OUR
14:51:31 DRINKING WATER AND MIXING IT WITH THE REST OF OUR
14:51:34 DRINKING WATER, HOW ARE WE NOT GOING TO BREAK THE
14:51:36 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT?
14:51:38 >>JAN MCLEAN: OFFICE OF CITY ATTORNEY AGAIN.
14:51:40 I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME THIS TIME.
14:51:42 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
14:51:43 >>JAN MCLEAN: SO BECAUSE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT
14:51:45 AUTHORIZES AND WE HAVE AGREED TO TAP OUR WITHDRAWAL FOR
14:51:51 DRINKING WATER AT 82 MGD, WE WOULD NOT BE SEEKING ANY
14:51:54 MODIFICATION OF OUR WATER USE PERMIT FOR INCREASED WATER
14:51:57 FOR POTABLE USE.
14:51:58 WE WOULD BE SEEKING A MODIFICATION OF OUR WATER USE
14:52:00 PERMIT TO IDENTIFY THAT WATER THAT WOULD BE DIVERTED FROM
14:52:04 MINIMUM FLOW.
14:52:06 WE ARE NOT SEEKING ANY ADDITIONAL WATER FOR POTABLE --
14:52:10 >>BILL CARLSON: IT ISN'T THE SAME NOW THAT IT'S MIXED
14:52:13 UP, RIGHT?
14:52:14 LET ME ASK ONE LAST THING.
14:52:16 WHAT DO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THINK THIS IS A RUSE TO TRY
14:52:19 TO GET THE CITY TO SELL WATER, AND IF IT IS THEN THE CITY
14:52:23 CAN BE MADE PROFITABLE THEN THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE
14:52:26 LIKE.
14:52:27 I DON'T KNOW.
14:52:27 BUT WHY WOULDN'T THE CITY SELL THIS WATER AND IF NOT
14:52:31 WHAT'S TO STOP THE CITY FROM SELLING THIS WATER IF IT'S
14:52:34 DRINKING WATER QUALITY? WHY WOULDN'T WE SEE IT TO
14:52:36 SOMEBODY ELSE?
14:52:37 >>JAN MCLEAN: BECAUSE OUR FIRST OBLIGATION -- BECAUSE
14:52:41 OUR FIRST OBLIGATION IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WOULD BE
14:52:45 RETURN TO THE TAMPA BAY WATER AND OFFER ANY ADDITIONAL
14:52:48 WATER IF IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO TAMPA BAY WATER.
14:52:51 WE WOULD NOT BE SELLING TO ANY OUTSIDE ANY MEMBERS OR ANY
14:52:56 OTHER ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE OF TAMPA BAY WATER.
14:52:59 >>BILL CARLSON: GREAT, THANK YOU.
14:53:01 COLLEAGUES, A QUICK STATEMENT.
14:53:03 I THINK THIS IS ABOUT SCIENCE, ECONOMICS, PUBLIC FEEDBACK
14:53:06 AND TRUST.
14:53:07 SCIENCE, BASIC SCIENTIFIC METHOD WE LEARNED IN SCHOOL IS
14:53:11 YOU DEFINE THE PROBLEM.
14:53:12 I THINK WE HAVE SPENT ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE
14:53:16 PROBLEM IS. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT FIRST.
14:53:17 THERE ARE THREE PROBLEMS.
14:53:19 MINIMUM FLOWS.
14:53:20 SALTWATER INTRUSION.
14:53:22 AND THAT THE STATE IS GOING TO PREEMPT US AND FORCE TO US
14:53:25 USE THIS WATER.
14:53:26 I STILL THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO LOBBY THE STATE TO CHANGE
14:53:30 THAT IN SOME WAY.
14:53:31 BUT ANYWAY, PREEMPTING US IN ANY WAY THAT'S HURTING US IN
14:53:35 LOTS OF WAYS.
14:53:36 BUT SCIENTIFIC METHOD IS THAT WE ANALYZE THE ALTERNATIVES
14:53:39 AND WE HAVE A ROBUST ANALYSIS AND THEN WE PICK THE BEST
14:53:42 ALTERNATIVE.
14:53:43 IT SOUNDS LIKE OUT OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT TIME WE HAVE GOT
14:53:46 TWO MONTHS, AND WE GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN CALLING PURE
14:53:50 A PROCESS AND A PROJECT.
14:53:52 IT SEEMS PREDETERMINED ALREADY.
14:53:53 I HOPE THERE IS AN OBJECTIVE PROCESS.
14:53:57 BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT.
14:53:58 I WILL SUGGEST THAT FOLKS VOTE NO ON THIS TODAY SO THAT
14:54:01 WE CAN GET AN OBJECTIVE EVALUATION OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
14:54:05 NUMBER TWO, ECONOMICS.
14:54:07 SWFWMD IS NOT THE ONLY PARTNER.
14:54:09 THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN SAVE MONEY. WHY WOULD WE TAKE
14:54:11 ON 400 MILLION IN DEBT OR SPEND 400 MILLION IN RATE PAYER
14:54:16 MONEY PLUS WHATEVER THE OPERATING COSTS LIKELY MILLIONS
14:54:19 OF DOLLARS PLUS INTEREST, UNLESS WE LOOK AT ALL OF OUR
14:54:23 PARTNERS AND OPTIONS.
14:54:24 WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE OTHER OPTIONS ARE IN THIS
14:54:26 CASE, YOU KNOW.
14:54:27 AND YOU USE THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S PIPE PROJECT AS AN
14:54:29 EXAMPLE.
14:54:30 THE WATER DEPARTMENT FIGURED OUT THAT IT'S NOT
14:54:34 ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO REPLACE EVERY PIPE.
14:54:36 SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING?
14:54:38 THEY ARE PUTTING SOME KIND OF SKIN OR TREATMENT INSIDE
14:54:41 SOME OF THE PIPES THAT WILL GIVE THEM A LONGER LIFE SPAN
14:54:44 BECAUSE THAT'S ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
14:54:46 WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS THE MOST ECONOMICALLY
14:54:49 FEASIBLE PROJECT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALTERNATIVES.
14:54:51 SO I WOULD RECOMMEND VOTING YES SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT
14:54:53 WE HAVE A VALID PROCESS.
14:54:55 YOU HAVE ADDED A PUBLIC FEEDBACK LOOP BUT WHAT'S NOT IN
14:54:59 THIS MAP IS THE "IF THEN" STATEMENT.
14:55:01 WHAT IF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE IT?
14:55:02 WHAT DO WE DO NEXT?
14:55:04 THIS IS A LINEAR PLAN THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE YES, IT
14:55:07 INCLUDES DECISION POINTS FOR COUNCIL BUT IT DOESN'T SAY
14:55:09 WHAT HAPPENS THEN.
14:55:11 WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE SAY, WE
14:55:14 IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM, EDUCATED THE PUBLIC ON THE
14:55:17 PROBLEM, WE DESIGNED THE SOLUTIONS, WE LOOKED AT THE
14:55:19 PRICE, THE HEALTH IMPACTS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WE
14:55:23 PRESENTED THE PUBLIC, COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN
14:55:27 WE MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ALL THAT INFORMATION?
14:55:30 IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE SKIPPING STEPS.
14:55:32 THEN THE LAST ONE IS TRUST.
14:55:34 THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST ANY OF US ON MANY ISSUES, BUT
14:55:38 DEFINITELY DOES NOT TRUST THE WATER DEPARTMENT ON THIS
14:55:40 ISSUE BECAUSE OF HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN RUSHED IN THE PAST.
14:55:43 AND I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR AND CHIEF BENNETT AND MS.
14:55:47 DUNCAN AND OTHERS TRYING TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THIS.
14:55:50 BUT, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE OLD CULTURE
14:55:54 FASTER.
14:55:54 WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
14:55:55 WE NEED TO TRUST THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE SMART, AND THAT
14:55:59 THEY CAN LISTEN TO SCIENTIFIC DATA AND THAT THEY CAN LOOK
14:56:03 AT OPTIONS AND GIVE US OBJECTIVE FEEDBACK AND THAT WE CAN
14:56:05 MAKE A DECISION FROM THAT.
14:56:07 THANK YOU.
14:56:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
14:56:09 COUNCILMEMBER VIERA AND CITRO.
14:56:11 >>LUIS VIERA: FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THERE'S NOTHING
14:56:14 WRONG WITH GOING LONG.
14:56:15 THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS RECENTLY THAT I
14:56:18 DIDN'T KNOW IT BUT I SPOKE FOR 20 MINUTES STRAIGHT.
14:56:20 SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING
14:56:23 PASSIONATE ABOUT SOMETHING AND TAKING UP TIME.
14:56:25 WE ALL DO IT.
14:56:26 SO NOBODY WAS ANNOYED BY THE LENGTH.
14:56:30 TRUST ME.
14:56:30 I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
14:56:32 JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
14:56:35 WITH THIS PROCESS, ARE THERE ANY MUNICIPALITIES OR CITIES
14:56:40 OR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS?
14:56:42 AND IF SO WHAT HAVE BEEN THE RESULTS?
14:56:43 YOU KIND OF LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OR THE SUCCESSES OF
14:56:48 OTHERS.
14:56:50 ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMUNITIES?
14:56:52 ARE THEY SIMILARLY SITUATED IN TERMS OF NUMBERS,
14:56:55 ET CETERA, ET CETERA?
14:56:58 IF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT.
14:56:59 >> JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JOHN McNEIL TO
14:57:08 ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
14:57:09 IT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
14:57:11 AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN
14:57:15 EXPERIMENTING WITH EVERYTHING.
14:57:17 WITH ANYTHING WITH REGARDS TO ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS.
14:57:23 THANK YOU.
14:57:23 >> MARK McNEIL AGAIN.
14:57:29 THE TAMPA BAY AREA IN FLORIDA IS A REAL LEADER IN
14:57:34 RECHARGED PROJECTS.
14:57:36 YOU HAVE GOT 40 YEARS OF RECHARGE OVER IN ST. PETERSBURG
14:57:40 AREA WITH THEIR ACCESSORY WATER THAT THEY PUT
14:57:45 UNDERGROUND.
14:57:46 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A PROJECT VERY SIMILAR TO PURE
14:57:50 WHERE THEY RECHARGE ON THE SALTWATER WAYS, THE FIRST WELL
14:58:01 IN THE BIG END AREA AROUND PALM BEACH, AND THEY HAVE GOT
14:58:04 A SERIES OF ADDITIONAL WELLS BEING CONSTRUCTED AS WE
14:58:07 SPEAK, AS THEY EXPAND THAT, RECHARGE THEIR RECLAIMED
14:58:11 WATER, AND ALLOWING ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT TO DRINKING
14:58:17 WATER LEVELS IN THE RECOVERY EFFORTS DOWN THERE.
14:58:24 YOU HAVE GOT RECHARGE IN MANATEE COUNTY WITH THE COUNTY
14:58:28 ITSELF AND THE CITY OF BRADENTON IS GETTING READY TO
14:58:32 START A RECHARGE PROGRAM THAT'S UNDERGOING THIRD PARTY
14:58:34 REVIEW, AS WE SPEAK.
14:58:40 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS PUTTING IN RECLAIMED WATER INTO
14:58:45 DRINKING WATER AQUIFER SINCE 1995 WHEN WE FIRST THE
14:58:49 APPROACHED THE CITY AND ASKED THEM IF THEY THEY WOULD BE
14:58:52 ACCEPTABLE AND ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO WE WORKED THROUGH IT,
14:58:55 HAPPY TO SAY THAT I DRANK THAT FIRST GLASS OF WATER FROM
14:59:01 THE AQUIFER, AND WHERE WE CAN PRODUCE DRINKING WATER
14:59:08 QUALITY GOING INTO THE AQUIFER SYSTEM, THIS WILL BE A
14:59:11 HAIR LEVEL TREATMENT THAN WHAT WE SAW BACK THEN.
14:59:14 BUT A NUMBER, THEY ARE ALL UNIQUE IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT
14:59:20 THERE'S NO MORE -- WATER RESOURCE CHALLENGES IN THE TAMPA
14:59:27 BAY AREA, AND COMING UP WITH THESE TYPES OF WATER
14:59:31 RESOURCE SOLUTIONS, AND WE HAVE A TREMENDOUSLY SUCCESSFUL
14:59:34 HISTORY IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA.
14:59:38 >>JEAN DUNCAN: AND COUNCILMAN VIERA, IF I COULD GIVE EVA
14:59:41 DARLING A MOMENT TO SPEAK. SHE IS GRACIOUS ENOUGH WITH
14:59:46 HER TIME TODAY.
14:59:47 SHE IS A PH.D. OUT OF STANFORD UNIVERSITY.
14:59:52 SHE WORKS ALL OVER THE U.S., AND WITH THE WORLD HEALTH
14:59:55 ORGANIZATION. IF SHE DOESN'T MIND SAYING A FEW WORDS
14:59:58 ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE WITH HER REUSE PROJECTS, THAT WOULD
15:00:01 BE APPRECIATED.
15:00:04 EVA.
15:00:05 >> ABSOLUTELY.
15:00:06 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
15:00:07 >> YES.
15:00:08 >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, MR. CHAIRMAN,
15:00:11 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
15:00:11 POTABLE REUSE IS A REALITY NOT ONLY ACROSS THE U.S. BUT
15:00:17 ALSO ACROSS THE WORLD.
15:00:18 WE HAVE HAD PROJECTS LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S BEEN DONE VERY
15:00:21 INTENTIONALLY, ENGINEERED FOR MANY, MANY DECADES.
15:00:24 MY COLLEAGUE -- GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, HAS 30
15:00:30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD.
15:00:32 MY BACKGROUND SPECIFICALLY IS LOOKING AT -- WHICH I KNOW
15:00:38 IS A CONCERN TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WHY WE DESIGN
15:00:39 TREATMENT FACILITIES FOR THE CONTAMINANTS THAT WE KNOW
15:00:45 THAT CAN BE ISSUED, BUT ALSO ABOUT ADDITIONAL
15:00:49 CONTAMINANTS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT MAY
15:00:52 NOT BE IMMEDIATELY SUBJECT TO REGULATORY RESTRICTIONS,
15:00:55 AND SO I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, AND IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION
15:01:02 OF THIS PROJECT, AND ONE OF OUR MAJOR CONCERNS AND ONE OF
15:01:05 OUR MAJOR EFFORTS ON THAT PROJECT WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT
15:01:11 WE CAN -- [~AUDIO CUTS OUT~]
15:01:16 >> CAN'T HEAR YOU.
15:01:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT FROZE UP FOR A SECOND.
15:01:18 >> -- FOR DRINKING WATER QUALITY, AND WE HAVE TO BE
15:01:28 PREPARED EVEN FOR THE EVENTUALITY.
15:01:30 SO WE MAKE VERY SURE THAT THAT WATER IS OF A QUALITY THAT
15:01:35 WE NEED IT TO BE AGAIN FROM PACKAGING THAT WE DON'T TALK
15:01:40 ABOUT MUCH BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ALSO INCLUDING
15:01:44 PHARMACEUTICALS THAT PEOPLE GET VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.
15:01:47 I WANT TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MY COLLEAGUE ANDY WHO
15:01:51 HAS A COUPLE DECADES MORE EXPERIENCE -- [~AUDIO CUTS
15:01:57 OUT~]
15:01:57 >> SHE WENT SILENT BUT I THINK SHE'S SAYING SOMETHING
15:01:57 NICE.
15:02:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EVA, WE ARE HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE
15:02:07 WITH YOUR AUDIO.
15:02:08 >> I WILL JUST ADD A FEW BITS HERE.
15:02:10 I'M ACTUALLY OUT IN CALIFORNIA, AND WITHIN CALIFORNIA, WE
15:02:14 DO MORE THAN 200 MILLION GALLONS A DAY OF WHAT WE CALL
15:02:17 PORTABLE WATER REUSE AND WE DO IT THROUGH DIFFERENT
15:02:20 MECHANISMS, AND THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN RUNNING SINCE
15:02:22 THE SIXTIES.
15:02:25 AS WE EVOLVE THROUGH TIME, WE ADD ON DIFFERENT TREATMENT
15:02:28 PROCESSES AND WE LOOK TO USING MORE COST EFFICIENTLY, AND
15:02:34 MAINTAIN THE SAME OR EVEN MORE STRINGENT SAFETY LEVELS.
15:02:38 SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ALWAYS IS CONCERN ABOUT
15:02:42 WHAT WE CALL POTABLE WATER REUSE AT FIRST BECAUSE IT CAN
15:02:46 BE NEW TO AN AREA OR REGION, A REGULATORY BODY WITH THE
15:02:50 PUBLIC, THERE IS A VERY LARGE BODY OF EVIDENCE,
15:02:53 SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHICH DOCUMENTS OUR ABILITY TO SAFELY
15:02:57 PURIFY WATER OF ANY ORIGIN AND MAKE IT A RELIABLE SUPPLY
15:03:03 FOR OUR COMMUNITIES.
15:03:04 SO THE TRACK RECORD IS LONG.
15:03:06 AND IT'S PRETTY DEEP.
15:03:09 AND I WOULD BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION IF THERE'S
15:03:13 MORE TIME OR MORE INTEREST.
15:03:14 >>JEAN DUNCAN: AND COUNCILMAN VIERA AND OTHER COUNCIL
15:03:19 MEMBERS, IF WE COULD GIVE DONNA A MOMENT -- I APOLOGIZE.
15:03:25 SHE HAD TO MOVE ON.
15:03:26 SHE IS ACTUALLY THE DEAN OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT USF SO WE
15:03:33 WILL GET HER COMMENTS AT ANOTHER TIME.
15:03:36 SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
15:03:41 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWERS.
15:03:45 I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO JUST KNOW IF THERE'S
15:03:49 BEEN OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED COMMUNITIES, ET CETERA.
15:03:52 I HEARD I THINK IN PUBLIC COMMENTS, SOMEBODY MENTIONED
15:03:57 FLINT, MICHIGAN, AND I THOUGHT, LORD ALMIGHTY, PEOPLE
15:04:02 HAVE -- AGAIN, IF THERE'S INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT'S
15:04:04 RELEVANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO CONSIDER, THEN IF WE HAVE TO
15:04:08 HAVE THEM OUT THERE, AND THAT'S IT.
15:04:11 IS WHIT REMER THERE, I SEE?
15:04:15 MR. REMER, JUST A QUESTION.
15:04:17 AND THESE ARE ALL OFF-THE-CUFF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE BEEN
15:04:22 SCRIBBLING DOWN HERE. WITH REGARD TO THIS, OBVIOUSLY AS
15:04:25 SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU ARE
15:04:27 HAVING A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT
15:04:29 ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, GROUPS THAT DEAL WITH STEWARDSHIP,
15:04:33 ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
15:04:34 TELL US JUST BRIEFLY, I DON'T WANT TO GO FOREVER, BUT
15:04:39 ABOUT YOUR TALKS WITH THEM AND ASSURANCES THAT YOU SEEK
15:04:42 TO GIVE THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
15:04:44 YOU KNOW, USING YOUR POSITION, YOUR NAME, YOUR
15:04:47 CREDIBILITY FOR THIS, WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO SAY IN THAT
15:04:50 REGARD.
15:04:50 >>WHIT REMER: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
15:04:54 I WOULD FIRST SAY THAT I THINK IT SHOWS THE COMMITMENT OF
15:04:58 THIS MAYOR AND THIS ADMINISTRATION TO PRIORITIZE
15:05:02 ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AS A TOP PRIORITY AND FOCUS
15:05:06 AREA OF THE CITY.
15:05:08 THIS IS A NEWLY CREATED POSITION HERE IN THE CITY AND
15:05:11 IT'S ONE THAT IS LOCATED WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT
15:05:15 ADMINISTRATORS, AND THEY ADVISE AND COUNSEL FROM ME AND I
15:05:23 THINK VERY SERIOUSLY.
15:05:25 THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL
15:05:27 STAKEHOLDERS HAVE BEEN ROBUST AND INFORMATIVE SO FAR.
15:05:37 THERE ARE CRITICAL POINTS AND THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE
15:05:39 ARE COMFORTABLE AND WE ARE OPEN TO HEARING RIGHT NOW.
15:05:44 WE WANT THIS TO BE -- THAT IS WHY WE TAKE THIS SCALED
15:05:51 BACK APPROACH.
15:05:52 THUS FAR, MOST OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STATE BOARDS WOULD BE
15:05:56 NEUTRAL IN TERMS OF COMPORTING OR OPPOSING, AND WE
15:06:02 APPRECIATE THEM VERY MUCH THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEM
15:06:07 WITH MORE INFORMATION, MORE RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS.
15:06:12 ULTIMATELY, I THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS CONTINUE
15:06:15 TO TAKE THE PRESSURE AND PRIORITIES THAT WE ARE SEEING
15:06:22 COMING DOWN THE PIKE IN THREE YEARS AND FIVE YEARS AND
15:06:25 TEN YEARS FOLLOW THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
15:06:30 WE HEARD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS FOCUS ON MINIMUM FLOWS, THE
15:06:34 LIFEBLOOD OF THIS CITY, WHICH IS THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER,
15:06:37 AND WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.
15:06:39 WE HAVE GOT THIS LEGISLATION THAT IT MAY PASS THIS YEAR,
15:06:44 MAY NOT PASS THIS YEAR, BUT WE THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO
15:06:47 BE A TREND THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE MOVING FORWARD.
15:06:53 AND WE HAVE SEEN THE WATER REUSE PROJECTS THAT ALL THESE
15:06:56 EXPERTS HAVE ALLUDED TO, WORK IN OTHER PLACES.
15:06:59 WE WANT TO BE INNOVATIVE.
15:07:01 WE WANT TO SOLVE PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW ARE FORTHCOMING.
15:07:03 WE WANT TO DO IT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT
15:07:09 IT WILL GET MORE EXPENSIVE AS WE WAIT LONGER.
15:07:11 SO IN TERMS OF YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, WE CONTINUE TO
15:07:14 HAVE OPEN EARS, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A TWO-WAY
15:07:17 CONVERSATION WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL STAKEHOLDERS.
15:07:20 SOME ARE FOCUSED ON RIVER MINIMUM FLOWS, THE OTHER BY OUR
15:07:26 FOCUS WITH WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, IN TERMS OF THE
15:07:30 AQUIFER, AND WE ARE TRYING TO RESPOND, AND LISTEN TO
15:07:33 CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ALL OF THIS.
15:07:36 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:07:36 I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
15:07:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
15:07:40 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:07:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
15:07:43 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AM NOT A HYDROLOGIST.
15:07:46 NEITHER AM I A HYDRO ENGINEER.
15:07:49 BUT AT SOME POINT, THIS WILL BE A RHETORICAL QUESTION,
15:07:53 MS. DUNCAN OR TO THE STAFF THERE.
15:07:55 AT SOME POINT, WE ARE HAVING TO CHANGE HORSES IN THE
15:07:57 MIDDLE OF THE EXTREME, NO PUN INTENDED, AND COUNCILMAN
15:08:02 CARLSON MENTIONED THAT HORRIBLE P WORD, THAT THE STATE IS
15:08:07 MAKING US DO SOMETHING THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO DO OR
15:08:10 WERE NOT PLANNING ON DOING.
15:08:11 WE ARE JUST HAVING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS.
15:08:14 AND THAT P WORD IS PREEMPTION.
15:08:16 AND I AM GETTING TIRED OF HEARING THAT LATELY.
15:08:22 FROM WHAT I AM HEARING FROM A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IS
15:08:27 NOT HOW WE ARE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS BACK IN OUR
15:08:30 AQUIFERS, WITH THE WATER THAT'S THERE HAS BEEN THERE FOR
15:08:33 THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
15:08:35 BUT WHAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO THE AQUIFERS.
15:08:37 I HEARD A LOT OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS SAY THAT THEY WOULD
15:08:40 FEEL MORE CONFIDENT IF WE TOOK ONE MORE STEP IN
15:08:46 PURIFICATION, ESPECIALLY WITH HEAVY METALS AND
15:08:49 PHARMACEUTICALS.
15:08:50 I KNOW THE WATER IS CLOSE TO POTABLE WATER AS WE CAN
15:08:54 POSSIBLY GET IT.
15:08:55 IF WE TOOK ONE MORE STEP, HYPOTHETICALLY SAY, REVERSE
15:09:00 OSMOSIS, WHAT IS THE COST GOING TO BE FOR THAT COMPARED
15:09:04 TO WHAT IT IS PROJECTED NOW?
15:09:07 AND IS THERE ANY REFUGE FOR THAT AND WHERE WOULD THAT GO?
15:09:12 AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WATER.
15:09:13 I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE TAKING OUT OF THE WATER.
15:09:15 SO IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME, I WOULD
15:09:17 APPRECIATE IT.
15:09:18 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
15:09:20 I WILL LET BRAD BAIRD ANSWER THAN THE QUESTION ABOUT THE
15:09:25 APPLICATIONS WE WOULD CONSIDER TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD THE
15:09:30 BEST QUALITY WATER, MOST FISCALLY REASONABLE PRODUCT.
15:09:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I APOLOGIZE, MS. DUNCAN.
15:09:41 THIS IS GOING FAR BEYOND WHAT'S PROJECTED NOW.
15:09:44 SO WE CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE ELIMINATED ALL OF THE
15:09:49 PHARMACEUTICALS, ESPECIALLY THE HORMONES, AND THE
15:09:54 ANTIBIOTICS.
15:09:57 SO THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING.
15:09:59 IF WE ELIMINATE THOSE.
15:10:00 I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS, PARTS
15:10:04 PER MILLION.
15:10:05 I'M NOT A HYDROLOGIST.
15:10:07 BUT IF WE TAKE THAT NEXT STEP TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE --
15:10:10 WE HAVE MET WITH THE PEOPLE WE ARE ASKING FOR, SO THE
15:10:13 WATER WE PUT DOWN BACK IN THE AQUIFER IS THE PUREST IT
15:10:16 CAN BE.
15:10:16 THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
15:10:18 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU.
15:10:21 >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD AGAIN.
15:10:24 200,000 OUT OF THE 650,000, ONE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT
15:10:30 PROCESS WE'LL NEED TO TAKE BE DRINKING WATER STANDARDS
15:10:37 AND BEYOND, TO REMOVE ANY PHARMACEUTICALS SHOULD THEY
15:10:41 EXIST, TO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL
15:10:46 USERS THAT ARE DISCHARGING SAFELY, IT WILL BE A LOT LESS
15:10:52 EXPENSIVE ON THE FRONT END THAN IT WOULD TO TREAT THE
15:10:55 ENTIRE 50 MILLIONS GALLONS A DAY.
15:10:59 SO WE NEED DIFFERENT DISINFECTION BOTH AT THE HOWARD
15:11:06 CURREN PLANT AND AT THE WELL CAPS.
15:11:08 YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PILOT PLAN GOING RIGHT NOW WITH
15:11:17 EXCHANGE AT THE TIPPIN PLANT.
15:11:19 SO WE ARE GOING TO TAKE WATER FROM THE HOWARD CURREN
15:11:22 PLANT AND RUN IT THROUGH THERE TO SEE WHAT IS REMOVED OUT
15:11:28 OF THAT WATER.
15:11:29 THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES, BUT WE'LL LOOK AT
15:11:32 THOSE ADDITIONAL TREATMENT PROCESSES, AND THE ONES THAT
15:11:36 ARE NEEDED WE'LL ADD TO THE PROJECT AND THEN WE WILL BE
15:11:38 ABLE TO BETTER PROVIDE A COST ESTIMATE OF THE ENTIRE
15:11:41 PROJECT.
15:11:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
15:11:44 BECAUSE AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON TOUCHED ON IT.
15:11:47 THERE ARE CAUSES AND EFFECTS.
15:11:50 THERE IS SALTWATER INTRUSION COMING INTO THE AQUIFERS.
15:11:53 THIS WOULD HELP PREVENT THAT.
15:11:55 THERE'S SALTWATER INTRUSIONS COMING INTO OUR RIVER THAT
15:11:58 WE CAN PREVENT THAT.
15:12:01 BUT I HAVE GOT TO SAY THAT THAT -- WHEN WE MET EARLIER
15:12:07 THAT HAS BEEN A QUESTION OF MINE, THE HEAVY METALS, THE
15:12:10 PHARMACEUTICALS IN THE WATER.
15:12:12 IF YOU CAN GET THOSE OUT OF THERE I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH
15:12:15 THIS BUT I HAVE GOT TO SAY THERE WAS A POINT WHEN WE WERE
15:12:20 INTERJECTING WATER INTO THE BAY.
15:12:22 I LIVED HERE SINCE 1974 AND THE BAY IS THE CLEANEST SINCE
15:12:25 I HAVE LIVED HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE WE WERE INJECTING THIS
15:12:28 WATER INTO THE BAY, THAT IS SO PURE.
15:12:33 I WANT TO SEE US STAY ON THAT LINE AND I WANT TO SEE US
15:12:38 MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER WE PUT BACK IN THE AQUIFERS IS
15:12:40 EVEN PURER THAN WHAT WE DRINK.
15:12:42 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:12:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:12:45 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
15:12:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I FEEL LIKE I HAVE BEEN IN A SCIENCE
15:12:53 CLASS ALL DAY.
15:12:54 I KNOW THIS IS A PASSION OF THE MAYOR AND THE
15:12:56 ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THIS WATER.
15:12:59 AND I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED.
15:13:01 I TRULY DO.
15:13:03 BUT A QUESTION I HAD, WHAT OTHER ALTERNATIVES ARE THERE?
15:13:09 HAVE WE EXPLORED OTHER ALTERNATIVES?
15:13:11 OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE FEEL WE NEED, THIS IS THE BEST
15:13:17 PRODUCT, OR ARE THERE OTHER ALTERNATIVES? THAT'S ONE OF
15:13:20 MY QUESTIONS.
15:13:21 >>JEAN DUNCAN: COUNCILMAN GUDES, THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS
15:13:27 PROVIDED, WE PLAN -- FOR THIS PROJECT, AND WE PLAN TO
15:13:35 PROVIDE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL.
15:13:39 CLEARLY WE KNOW THAT GIVEN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE,
15:13:46 MINIMUM FLOWS, A LOOMING OPTION TO ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS
15:13:52 BUT WE'LL CONDUCT AN ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS WITH AN EXPERT
15:13:57 CONSULTANT AS MENTIONED AND WILL SHARE THAT INFORMATION
15:14:00 AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
15:14:04 WE PUT AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE ON THAT PIECE OF THE
15:14:07 SCHEDULE ONLY TO DEMONSTRATE OF OUR INTEREST IN GETTING
15:14:11 THAT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, SINCE THAT WAS
15:14:14 SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD FROM SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND
15:14:17 STRONG INTEREST.
15:14:18 THAT WAS OUR ONLY REASON FOR HAVING AN AGGRESSIVE
15:14:25 SCHEDULE ON THAT AND NEED TO PRODUCE IT PROPERLY, BUT
15:14:30 IT'S A PRIORITY AND OUR FIRST STEP TO PUTTING A FRAMEWORK
15:14:33 AROUND EXACTLY WHAT ARE ALL THE DETAIL COMPONENTS THAT
15:14:37 WE'LL --
15:14:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I UNDERSTAND, BUT MY MAIN QUESTION, WE
15:14:44 HAVE BEEN WORKING AT THIS FOR A WHILE WITH THE TAP
15:14:47 PROGRAM.
15:14:47 WITH A SEAT AT THE TABLE, SOMEONE HAS GOT TO KNOW THEY
15:14:53 KNOW OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES VERSUS THIS ALTERNATIVE.
15:14:58 I KNOW NOW WE WANT -- WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT SOME
15:15:06 ALTERNATIVES ARE, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION.
15:15:08 DO WE OR DON'T WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES ARE?
15:15:14 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE DEFINITELY KNOW THERE ARE
15:15:16 ALTERNATIVES.
15:15:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST WANT TO KNOW, HAVING EXPERTS AT
15:15:24 THE TABLE, EXPERIENCE AT THE TABLE, ARE THERE OTHER
15:15:27 ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE?
15:15:29 WE SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THEM ON THE TABLE VERSUS SPEND A
15:15:32 LOT OF MONEY TO DO A PLAN, PAY A CONSULTANT, AND IF THE
15:15:38 TABLE ALREADY KNOWS OF ALTERNATIVES, THAT STUFF SHOULD
15:15:40 ALREADY BE SHARED ALREADY.
15:15:42 THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
15:15:43 NUMBER TWO, I SAID I FELT LIKE I WAS IN SCIENCE CLASS
15:15:47 TODAY.
15:15:48 YOU FOLKS TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.
15:15:56 BUT WHEN I SIT BACK AND SIP ON MY WATER HERE, I HAVE A
15:15:58 COLLEAGUE HERE WHO I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S AN EXPERT ON
15:16:04 WATER BUT HE HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS MY HEAD STARTED
15:16:07 SPINNING, LIKE I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT, I HAVEN'T HEARD
15:16:10 THIS.
15:16:10 SO IT MAKES YOU WONDER LIKE HE SAID, WELL, WHAT ARE WE
15:16:13 DOING HERE, IF THIS MAN COMES HERE, HE MIGHT HAVE
15:16:18 CONSULTED SOME PEOPLE.
15:16:19 I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD A CLASS OF WATER OR HOW THIS THING
15:16:23 WORKS.
15:16:23 BUT THIS GUY SEEMED LIKE A TRUE EXPERT WITH A BUNCH OF
15:16:26 QUESTIONS HE WAS ASKING TODAY.
15:16:28 AND I SAW A BUNCH OF MY COLLEAGUES SHAKING THEIR HEAD,
15:16:31 LIKE THE QUESTIONS HE WAS ASKING.
15:16:33 AND THEN WE ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS, RIGHT AT THE
15:16:36 TABLE THERE, COULDN'T RESPOND TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS
15:16:40 THAT HE'S ASKING.
15:16:40 IF I'M A WATER GUY, AND THIS MAN JUST HAS A QUESTION, I
15:16:46 SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER AN FEW QUESTIONS, AND SAY, WELL,
15:16:49 I AM NOT SURE OF THE ANSWER.
15:16:51 I GOT KIND OF LOST, BECAUSE WHEN I GOT A COLLEAGUE HERE,
15:16:56 WHO I DON'T THINK HE'S AN EXPERT BUT I GUESS HE DID A LOT
15:17:01 OF BASIC RESEARCH TO KNOW WHAT HE WANTED TO PUT ON THE
15:17:05 TABLE AND GET THIS MESSAGE ACROSS TO THIS BODY THAT HE'S
15:17:08 KNOWLEDGEABLE AND THE INFORMATION HE'S BEING GIVEN IS ALL
15:17:12 FACTUAL OR NEEDS MORE INFORMATION OR MORE RESEARCH.
15:17:15 AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.
15:17:18 I LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT ARE THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, BECAUSE
15:17:21 TO SPEND MONEY AND THE TABLE ALREADY KNOWS OF OTHER
15:17:25 ALTERNATIVES, WE ARE JUST WASTING TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, IF
15:17:29 THIS BODY AT THE TABLE ALREADY KNOWS THE ALTERNATIVE
15:17:32 ISSUES.
15:17:33 >>JEAN DUNCAN: COUNCILMAN GUDES, IT'S BASIC STANDARD
15:17:39 PROTOCOL FOR ANY PROJECT WITH THIS TYPE OF ENGINEERING TO
15:17:42 DO AN ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS.
15:17:44 WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON THAT'S
15:17:48 SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO, AND WE PLAN TO DO THAT.
15:17:50 SO THAT'S THE STEPS THAT WILL GENERATE THOSE TESTED
15:17:53 ALTERNATIVES THAT WE WILL CONSIDER AS OPTIONS GOING
15:17:58 FORWARD.
15:17:58 AND AS MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, PLANNING TO SPEND
15:18:05 $200,000 OR LESS TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED.
15:18:08 WE ARE A LITTLE BIT AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T
15:18:12 HAD A CHANCE TO FORMALLY GET THE PROJECT STARTED, AND
15:18:14 EVERYONE WANTS TO COME JUMP IN WITH A SOLUTION ALREADY,
15:18:14 AND I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT WITH THAT, JUST THAT WE
15:18:21 WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL, WE WANT TO DO IT INCREMENTALLY,
15:18:24 AND WE WANT TO DO IT STEP BY STEP WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS,
15:18:29 AND THAT WOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP, REVIEWING OUR TECHNICAL
15:18:33 DOCUMENTS, WITH THIRD PARTY REVIEW, AND DOING THAT
15:18:36 ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS FOR THE PUBLIC AND YOURSELF AND TO
15:18:41 RESPOND TO AND CHIME IN ON.
15:18:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GLAD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A
15:18:48 CONVERSATION.
15:18:48 BUT AGAIN, IT JUMPED OUT OVER CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY AND
15:18:52 JUMPED OUT 10 MILLION, AND COME BACK WITHIN A COUPLE OF
15:18:55 WEEKS, COME BACK INTO SESSION, IN REFERENCE TO A PROJECT.
15:18:59 BUT I AM GLAD THAT CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN BENNETT DID STEP
15:19:03 IN AND SAY LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK AND SORT OF REVAMP WHAT
15:19:06 WE ARE TRYING TO PUT BEFORE COUNCIL SO COUNCIL CAN HAVE A
15:19:09 BETTER UNDERSTANDING VERSUS $10 MILLION OVER CHRISTMAS
15:19:13 HOLIDAYS, CHRISTMAS BREAK.
15:19:14 SO AGAIN, MR. VIERA SAYING WE WANT TO WAIT TILL MR.
15:19:20 MIRANDA GEETS BACK BECAUSE HE'S THE WATER GURU AND HE
15:19:25 KNOWS, AND I AM GLAD HE DID THAT, BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK
15:19:27 HE WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT I YIELD BACK TO THE
15:19:33 PARTICULAR POINT AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MR.
15:19:36 MIRANDA HAS TO SAY BECAUSE I THINK HE'S THE GURU ON THIS
15:19:40 WHOLE SITUATION.
15:19:41 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:19:46 DINGFELDER HAD HIS HAND UP 20 MINUTES AGO.
15:19:48 GO AHEAD, SIR.
15:19:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THIS HAS BEEN AN EXCELLENT
15:19:53 DISCUSSION.
15:19:56 IN ADDITION TO HAVING OUR OWN QUESTIONS, I THINK THAT
15:19:58 COUNCIL OFTEN IS IN THE POSITION TO SERVE AS THE
15:20:02 MOUTHPIECE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
15:20:04 AND I THINK THAT'S VERY HEALTHY.
15:20:09 YOU GUYS RECEIVE A LOT OF E-MAILS.
15:20:12 WE PROBABLY RECEIVE EVEN MORE.
15:20:20 WE ARE HERE TO ARTICULATE AND SYNTHESIZE THOSE QUESTIONS
15:20:23 AND VERY, VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS.
15:20:25 I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T TAKE OFFENSE TO ANY OF THESE, TO
15:20:31 ANY OF THIS INQUIRY.
15:20:32 AND I APPRECIATE THE TEAM YOU HAVE THERE, JEAN, TO HELP
15:20:35 US ANSWER THESE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.
15:20:37 WITH THAT SAID, I HAD A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.
15:20:40 NUMBER ONE, MR. CITRO, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AS RELATED
15:20:45 TO HORMONES, PHARMACEUTICALS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
15:20:48 AND MR. BAIRD DID A GOOD JOB OF ANSWERING.
15:20:53 AND MR. GUDES, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SCIENCE
15:20:56 BACKGROUND WITH A COUPLE OF DEGREES IN SCIENCE, BUT THEN
15:20:59 I TAUGHT SCIENCE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I ONLY TAUGHT 7th
15:21:04 GRADERS.
15:21:05 [ LAUGHTER ]
15:21:09 ANYWAY, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE HORMONES AND
15:21:14 PHARMACEUTICALS, I THINK THE REALITY IS, MR. BAIRD -- AND
15:21:18 YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, AND CHUCK, YOU TOO --
15:21:21 THE REALITY IS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY TECHNIQUE
15:21:25 THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED YET TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THOSE 100%.
15:21:29 I ALSO BELIEVE THAT PROBABLY IN THE BACKGROUND OF OUR
15:21:34 ENVIRONMENT ALREADY, IN OUR FOOD AND OUR WATER,
15:21:37 ET CETERA, I THINK THOSE ORGANIC COMPOUND ARE SO MINUTE
15:21:44 AND SMALL IN TERMS OF WHAT PARTS PER BILLION, IT'S
15:21:50 EXTREMELY HARD TO GET OUT OF WATER, FOOD SYSTEM ANYWHERE.
15:21:54 SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT -- THINKING THAT NO
15:21:59 MATTER WHAT THE PROCESS IS, THOSE COMPOUND WILL BE
15:22:02 COMPLETELY 100% ELIMINATED.
15:22:07 ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS THAT MS. DUNCAN HAS PROVIDED TO
15:22:10 ME, THEY DON'T SAY THAT THEY WILL BE REMOVED.
15:22:12 THEY SAY THAT THEY MIGHT STILL BE THERE BUT THEY WILL BE
15:22:16 THERE IN PARTS PER BILLION OR PARTS PER TRILLION OR
15:22:19 WHATEVER IT IS, AND LEVELS THAT RIGHT NOW ARE STILL
15:22:22 WITHIN THE REGULATORY -- THE APPROPRIATE REGULATORY
15:22:28 LEVEL.
15:22:29 AND DR. DARLING LOOKS LIKE SHE'S POPPED ON.
15:22:35 MAYBE SHE CAN HELP ME WITH THAT ONE, TOO.
15:22:38 BUT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE MISLED.
15:22:42 THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE THERE.
15:22:45 MAYBE WE CAN, QUOTE, LIVE WITH, NO PUN INTENDED.
15:22:49 THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION AND PERHAPS REQUEST,
15:22:51 MR. BAIRD AND I DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY EVENING, AND I
15:22:56 APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOUR EVENING, BRAD, BUT WITHIN
15:23:03 THE EXISTING STAR PROGRAM -- AND CHARLIE, YOU GO WAY BACK
15:23:06 WITH THAT STAR PROGRAM -- WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL THOUSAND
15:23:11 HOMES THAT ARE ON THE STAR SYSTEM AND THEY NEVER HOOKED
15:23:14 UP, AND BRAD INDICATES SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE WATERING
15:23:18 THEIR YARDS WITH POTABLE WATER.
15:23:20 OTHERS MIGHT NOT BE.
15:23:23 AND I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE STAR, THE EXISTING STAR
15:23:25 PROGRAM IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR ANY OF THIS, BECAUSE THE
15:23:31 GAINS WE CAN MAKE ON THE EXISTING STAR PROGRAM PROBABLY
15:23:33 DON'T COME -- MAYBE THEY APPROACH A MILLION GALLONS A
15:23:36 DAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
15:23:37 IT DOESN'T COME ANYWHERE NEAR THE LEVEL WATER WE USE.
15:23:43 HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH
15:23:46 MARKETING OR INCENTIVES OR WHAT HAVE YOU TO MAKE SURE
15:23:49 THAT EVERYBODY WHO HAS STORMWATER OUT IN THE STREET IN
15:23:54 FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE GET SIGNED UP AND GET PLUGGED IN TO
15:23:56 USING THAT, SO THEY ARE NOT PUTTING POTABLE TREATED
15:24:00 DRINKING WATER ON THEIR YARD ANYMORE.
15:24:04 AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO DO THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF
15:24:06 YEARS, JEAN AND COMPANY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON
15:24:12 FUTURE AGENDAS.
15:24:13 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
15:24:23 IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.
15:24:28 SO WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT.
15:24:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T KNOW IF DR. DARLING WANTED
15:24:34 TO CHIME IN ON THE HORMONE, PHARMACEUTICAL ISSUE OR WHAT.
15:24:39 >> I WANTED TO BE PREPARED. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
15:24:44 DINGFELDER.
15:24:45 I THINK IN THE END, MY COMMENTS ARE SIMPLY GOING TO TO
15:24:51 ECHO WHAT YOU SAID, WHICH IS WE CALL THEM SOMETIMES TRACE
15:24:54 ORGANIC CONSTITUENTS, A LEVEL OF MINUTE CONCENTRATIONS,
15:24:58 AND WE PAY ATTENTION TO THEM NOT JUST AS THE PARTS PER
15:25:02 MILLION LEVEL BUT AT THE PARTS PER TRILLION LEVEL
15:25:05 SOMETIMES, SO THAT'S REALLY, REALLY LOW CONCENTRATIONS.
15:25:09 AND OUR GOAL AND THE SCIENCE BEHIND WHAT WE DO IS TO PUT
15:25:14 THEM RELATIVE TO HEALTH BENCHMARKS.
15:25:17 WE HAVE SOME COMPOUNDS THAT WE REALLY CARE ABOUT AT THE
15:25:22 PARTS PER TRILLION LEVEL BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE
15:25:24 CONCENTRATIONS BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
15:25:28 THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PURE H2O, PURE WATER IN THAT
15:25:33 SENSE.
15:25:34 I HATE TO SAY THAT, THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
15:25:38 HERE.
15:25:42 FOR DRINKING WATER WE HAVE VERY WELL DEFINED STANDARDS
15:25:45 AND THE IDEA IS TO BE PROACTIVE BEYOND THOSE STANDARD TO
15:25:48 MAKE SURE THAT PHARMACEUTICALS WERE MORE THAN MEETING
15:25:55 THOSE STANDARDS.
15:25:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, DEAN.
15:25:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:26:02 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
15:26:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE BEEN LISTENING VERY INTENSELY
15:26:08 TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
15:26:09 WE HAVE NOW GONE 2027 ON ALL THE THINGS WE ARE GOING TO
15:26:15 DO.
15:26:15 HOWEVER, I RECALL WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS
15:26:20 $650,000 FOR THE FIRST PHASE OF WHETHER THIS PURE
15:26:24 TIMELINE AND THE ACTIVITIES OF THE CITY EQUALS THE
15:26:28 NECESSARY AND THE MEANS.
15:26:32 NUMBER ONE.
15:26:34 NUMBER TWO, WE WENT FROM 10 MILLION TO 650,000.
15:26:37 AM I CORRECT?
15:26:39 15.3846154%.
15:26:44 AM I CORRECT?
15:26:45 >> YES, SIR.
15:26:46 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, IT SOUNDS CORRECT.
15:26:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE FIRST PART OF
15:26:58 SOMETHING IF WE DON'T GET ALL OF THE TIMELINE AND EVERY
15:27:03 ACTIVITY THAT THE CITY HAS, NOT ONLY OURS BUT ALL THE
15:27:09 INFORMATION THAT OTHERS ARE GOING TO COME AND REVIEW TO
15:27:12 MAKE SURE THIS IS FACTUALLY SOUND.
15:27:14 AM I CORRECT?
15:27:16 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR.
15:27:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL CONTINUE THEN.
15:27:19 WHEN WE GO DOWN -- BACTERIA, AND WE TALK ABOUT RIVER
15:27:32 WATER.
15:27:34 WHERE DOES THE WATER THAT WE DRINK COME FROM, MOSTLY?
15:27:37 >> HILLSBOROUGH RIVER.
15:27:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER PRISTINE
15:27:46 CLEAN, NOT ONE GERM IN IT, NO DEAD PEOPLE IN IT, NO DEAD
15:27:51 WHALES, NO NOTHING, NO POOH-POOH IN IT, EVERYTHING IS
15:27:55 CLEAN, AM I CORRECT?
15:27:57 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
15:28:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MADE A MISTAKE AND I AM SORRY.
15:28:03 THE WATER IS NOT AS PRISTINE AS WE THINK IT IS.
15:28:07 IS THAT CORRECT?
15:28:08 >>JEAN DUNCAN: THAT IS CORRECT.
15:28:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MUCH MONEY AND CHEMICALS IN THE
15:28:14 WATER OF THE RIVER?
15:28:15 >>JEAN DUNCAN: HOW MUCH MONEY?
15:28:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE PLAN TO
15:28:21 CLEAN, THE CHEMICALS, THE CARCASSES, WHATEVER,
15:28:28 FERTILIZER, EVERYTHING, NOT ONLY HERE --
15:28:37 >> TENS OF MILLIONS A YEAR.
15:28:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DO WE DO A GOOD JOB IN CLEANING IT?
15:28:45 >> YES.
15:28:46 >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ABSOLUTELY DO.
15:28:47 I THINK THE HEALTH OF THE BAY, WITH THE SEA GRASS ISSUE
15:28:49 WE HAD YEARS AGO, IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
15:28:54 DONE A GREAT JOB.
15:28:55 >>BRAD BAIRD: FOR ONLY ONE OF 12 PLANTS IN THE ENTIRE
15:28:59 U.S. THAT RECEIVED THE WWA PARTNERSHIP AWARD FOR CLEANEST
15:29:04 WATER.
15:29:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
15:29:08 THERE'S A REPORT THAT CAME OUT THAT I WAS READING JUST
15:29:11 YESTERDAY IN THE "ST. PETE TIMES," THAT THE SPORTS PEOPLE
15:29:16 ARE SAYING, THEY THINK IT'S THE WATER THEY DRINK THAT
15:29:19 MADE THEM SO GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO, BASEBALL, FOOTBALL,
15:29:25 HOCKEY.
15:29:31 AND THEY BETTER DRINK MORE OF THE WATER.
15:29:35 BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THIS.
15:29:38 IS THIS SOMETHING NEW THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA OR IS IT
15:29:42 SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, IN
15:29:44 SOME CASES, 40, 50 YEARS?
15:29:47 AND USED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD?
15:29:49 THIS RAINFALL THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T ALWAYS -- THAT'S WHY
15:29:57 WE HAVE DROUGHTS.
15:29:59 WE HAVE THE SAME WATER THAT WE HAD A MILLION YEARS AGO.
15:30:02 THE PROBLEM IS THERE WEREN'T PEOPLE ON EARTH 300 MILLION
15:30:10 YEARS AGO.
15:30:11 SO LET'S LOOK AT JUST ANY CITY.
15:30:14 AND WASHINGTON, D.C.
15:30:19 ORANGE COUNTY, CITY IN THE L.A. AREA, WHICH WATER PIPES,
15:30:27 IN CLAYTON COUNTY OUTSIDE OF ATLANTA, WAFFORD CREEK IN
15:30:30 NORTHERN TEXAS, AGAIN LAS VEGAS, EL PASO, TEXAS,
15:30:37 AUSTRALIA, ISRAEL, AND, OF ALL THINGS, SINGAPORE.
15:30:41 SINGAPORE IS ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE COMMUNITIES IN THE
15:30:44 WORLD.
15:30:45 AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR HOW LONG?
15:30:49 >>BRAD BAIRD: 20 YEARS.
15:30:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:30:52 AND THEY HAVE HAD SUCCESS.
15:30:54 HOWEVER, WE THINK THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS
15:30:59 TO BE ADDRESSED, AND THINGS CHANGE.
15:31:06 NOW WHAT'S GOING ON?
15:31:08 THEY ARE GOING BACK TO ELECTRIC CARS.
15:31:10 SO I LOOK AT THIS AND I TELL MYSELF, WHERE DID I MESS UP?
15:31:14 WHERE DO I THINK THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS GONE WRONG?
15:31:18 NOT REALLY.
15:31:20 WHEN YOU HAVE TO THINK OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO MAKE
15:31:23 SOMETHING GO, THE CITY OF TAMPA IS THE LARGEST
15:31:26 GOVERNMENTAL -- LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN -- THE LARGEST
15:31:29 GOVERNMENTAL PRODUCER OF WATER IN THE WHOLE AREA.
15:31:34 TAMPA BAY WATER IS NOT A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.
15:31:37 ONE THAT'S PUT TOGETHER BY GOVERNMENT.
15:31:43 THEY PRODUCE ABOUT 180 MILLION SOME GALLONS A DAY.
15:31:47 WE CAN GO UP TO 82 MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
15:31:50 AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT TAMPA.
15:31:51 THIS IS TAMPA BAY WATER.
15:31:53 THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE FACTS.
15:31:56 SO YOU HAVE THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF WATER, THE CITY.
15:32:00 WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY THAT SOME MAYORS IN THE PAST, WHETHER
15:32:04 THEY HAD KNOWLEDGE OF IT OR THEY WERE LUCKY, DID THE
15:32:07 THINGS THAT THEY DID.
15:32:08 LET'S GO BACK TO MAYOR GRECO.
15:32:11 WE WERE TALKING HERE ABOUT -- GUESS WHAT YEAR THAT WAS.
15:32:17 THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION.
15:32:20 IT WAS 1.2 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER, SEVERAL WELLS IN THE
15:32:25 CITY, AND WE USE THAT IN THE MONTHS OF FEBRUARY, MARCH,
15:32:32 APRIL, MAY, SOMETIMES EVEN SOONER BEFORE THE MID JUNE
15:32:35 RAINFALL.
15:32:36 BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER, 1.2 BILLION IN THE
15:32:44 AQUIFER AND 1.2 BILLION IN THE RESERVOIR.
15:32:48 THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
15:32:49 AND WHEN THAT RESERVOIR GOES DOWN, AND YOU ARE USING THE
15:32:53 OTHER ONE, IT'S 2009 WE WERE ABOUT A DAY AND A HALF FROM
15:32:58 NO ONE HAVING ANY WATER.
15:33:01 ANY WATER.
15:33:03 SO WE AREN'T LOOKING AT YOU AND I.
15:33:08 BY THE WAY, I THINK SOMEWHERE IN HISTORY, THIS TOWN AND
15:33:12 THIS GOVERNMENT WHEN WE ARE ALL LONG AND GONE IS GOING TO
15:33:15 BE RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT THEY DID OR WHAT THEY DID NOT DO.
15:33:20 LET'S GO BACK TO GRECO.
15:33:21 NOT ONLY DID HE DO THAT ASR, HE ALSO WAS ONE OF THE
15:33:28 MAYORS THAT WAS IN OFFICE, I BELIEVE THE FIRST TERM, THAT
15:33:32 GOT FEDERAL MONEY TO BE DO SOMETHING WITH.
15:33:40 THIS CITY AND ANOTHER CITY VERY CLOSE TO US SENT OUT THE
15:33:45 SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
15:33:46 THEY CHOSE, RIGHTLY SO, TO PUT IN A SYSTEM OF
15:33:49 DISTRIBUTION SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN HAVE WATER.
15:33:59 MAYOR GRECO DIDN'T DO THAT.
15:34:01 MAYOR GRECO DIRECTED HIS STAFF TO ENLARGE THE HOWARD
15:34:08 CURREN PLANT TO THE STANDARD THAT IT IS TODAY, AND THANK
15:34:11 GOD HE DID DO THAT, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THE LARGEST
15:34:15 ADVANCED -- LET ME SAY THAT WORD AGAIN -- ADVANCED
15:34:19 TREATMENT PLANT AGAIN, AND MAYBE IN THE STATE.
15:34:22 I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT BUT I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE MOST
15:34:24 ADVANCED IN THIS AREA.
15:34:28 NO OTHER CITY THAT I KNOW OF HAS ADVANCED TREATMENT.
15:34:31 I MAY BE WRONG.
15:34:33 I AM USED TO BE CORRECTED.
15:34:35 SO YOU CAN CORRECT ME ANYTIME YOU WANT.
15:34:38 IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.
15:34:39 SO IF I AM WRONG, TELL ME THAT I AM WRONG.
15:34:41 >>JEAN DUNCAN: [INDISCERNIBLE]
15:35:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHETHER BY LUCK OR BY DESIGN WE HAD
15:35:07 TWO THINGS GOING FOR US, AND THEY BOTH STARTED WITH
15:35:10 GRECO.
15:35:12 I'M NOT SAYING THEY DO GOOD THINGS.
15:35:15 I'M JUST REMINDING MYSELF OF WATER.
15:35:17 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CITY AND YOU LOOK AT THIS TIME, WHAT
15:35:20 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THIS ITEM, IT'S ABOUT THE TIME OF
15:35:26 650,000, NOT THIS TIME, BUT THIS TIME HERE, LOOKING AT
15:35:34 2027.
15:35:34 BY THE WAY, THOSE IN 2027, GOD BLESS YOU, YOU ARE GOING
15:35:40 TO NEED A LOT OF MONEY.
15:35:41 YOU WON'T HAVE NO MORE C.I.T. TAX MONEY.
15:35:45 ALL YOUR VEHICLES, ALL YOU'RE REPLACEMENT VEHICLES, ALL
15:35:48 KIND OF EQUIPMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT.
15:35:53 SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
15:35:55 AND I SAY HOW FAR CAN WE GO FROM TIMELINE YEAR ONE, IS
15:36:03 THAT DIFFICULT?
15:36:06 WE ALREADY SAID IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
15:36:08 WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
15:36:10 SO WHAT I AM SAYING, IS WE ARE EITHER GOING TO PASS 59
15:36:14 FOR $650,000 OR NOT PASS IT FOR $650,000, AND THEREFORE
15:36:20 IT KILLS ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU MAY HAVE BECAUSE
15:36:26 WE ARE JUST GOING TO LET IT GO, LET IT DIE.
15:36:29 NOW, LIFE IS WHAT IT IS. AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT
15:36:30 PEOPLE SAY.
15:36:36 BUT IF I AM GOING TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE SAY
15:36:39 THAT THIS INVESTMENT AND THAT WHEN I KNOW DAMN WELL THAT
15:36:42 THE SAME WATER THAT WE ARE DRINKING NOW IN THE
15:36:44 HILLSBOROUGH RIVER HAS THE SAME DAMN THINGS IN IT.
15:36:46 AND I STAND BY THAT STATEMENT.
15:36:49 IF ANYONE WANTS TO PROVE ME WRONG, COME FORWARD.
15:36:51 AND WE'LL DO AN ANALYSIS.
15:36:53 WE'LL DO AN ANALYSIS IN THE LABORATORY, SEE WHAT WE FIND.
15:36:57 VERY CLOSELY COMPARES.
15:36:59 EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WATER.
15:37:02 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE THINGS, AND YOU LOOK AT THESE
15:37:07 GOVERNMENTS, AND YOU LOOK AT THE WORLD WHAT THEY HAVE
15:37:10 DONE, AND AGAIN I AM GOING TO GO TO SINGAPORE.
15:37:12 SINGAPORE HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF GETTING WHAT
15:37:17 THEY NEED IN USING WHAT THEY USE THE BEST.
15:37:23 AND HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.
15:37:25 AND PAGE 1 OF 16.
15:37:28 SINGAPORE TURNS INTO A NEW WATER MODEL.
15:37:32 YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I HAVE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
15:37:35 SINGAPORE HAS DONE SO MANY THINGS THAT YOU KNOW WHAT?
15:37:40 THE OTHERS HAVE DONE THAT WE IN TAMPA ARE SO
15:37:45 UNPROGRESSIVE THAT WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, STANDING
15:37:48 STILL IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PROBLEM.
15:37:51 THE LONGER YOU STAND STILL, THE SOONER YOU DIE.
15:37:56 SO I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, MY FEELING IS THAT THIS,
15:38:02 WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL, PURE, UNPURE-TO-PURE, WHATEVER
15:38:05 YOU WANT TO CALL IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL BE
15:38:10 REMEMBERED IN HISTORY FOR THE VOTE YOU TAKE TODAY.
15:38:12 AND I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC.
15:38:17 WELL, I WANT THIS ADMINISTRATION TO FIND OUT AND TELL THE
15:38:21 PUBLIC WHAT'S IN THE RIVER DRINKING WATER THAT YOU HAVE
15:38:23 TO CLEAN UP.
15:38:24 AND BETWEEN THAT RIVER AND THIS WATER AND SEE WHERE WE
15:38:28 ARE AT.
15:38:29 I DO NOT LIKE HALF TRUTHS.
15:38:33 I DO NOT LIKE SOMEBODY TO SAY, OH, IT'S WRONG BECAUSE ALL
15:38:35 THESE CHEMICALS ARE THERE.
15:38:37 OH, IT'S WRONG BECAUSE WE HAD FERTILIZER THERE.
15:38:40 TELL ME WHERE WE ARE SO FAR APART BETWEEN DRINKING WATER
15:38:44 IN THE RIVER AND DRINKING THIS WATER.
15:38:46 LET ME TELL YOU WHAT.
15:38:49 I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, NOT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
15:38:51 HERE, I WILL VENTURE TO SAY THAT A GALLON OF TREATED
15:38:56 RIVER WATER, A GALLON FROM THE HOWARD CURREN PLANT,
15:39:03 REVERSE OSMOSIS, THE TREATMENT PLANT WILL NOT HAVE ONE
15:39:12 LIVING MICROBE WHEN IT'S COMPLETED.
15:39:16 AND I CANNOT TELL YOU THAT ABOUT RIVER WATER.
15:39:21 THAT'S WHAT I THINK I KNOW.
15:39:22 YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
15:39:25 IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SAY NO THAN TO SAY YES AND YOU THINK
15:39:30 YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM.
15:39:31 THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM NOT ONLY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
15:39:34 THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM IN THE WORLD.
15:39:37 BECAUSE THE WORLD IS POPULATING SO QUICKLY, SO RAPIDLY,
15:39:43 AND 300 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER SOMEWHERE IS NOT ENOUGH.
15:39:49 THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS VERY PROACTIVE, WE CHANGED THE WAY
15:39:57 YOU CAN IT YEARS BACK.
15:40:01 YOU CAN'T HAVE IT FROM SIDE TO SIDE, 60 TO 70%.
15:40:05 I FORGET WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS BUT I KNOW WE HAVE THAT.
15:40:08 WE ALSO HAVE THE FERTILIZER.
15:40:09 YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING FERTILIZED DURING THE SUMMER
15:40:12 MONTHS.
15:40:12 I THINK OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
15:40:14 I FORGET WHAT IT IS.
15:40:18 IN THE WHOLE CITY, THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA.
15:40:21 WE WERE ALSO ONE IN THE FIRST TO DO WHAT?
15:40:23 PEOPLE DON'T KNOW BUT WE STILL HAVE EMISSIONS.
15:40:30 I AM NOT GOING TO ASK US BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO
15:40:32 EMBARRASS NOBODY. WHAT IS THE DAY THEY CAN WATER?
15:40:34 I'LL BET THE SEVEN OF US CAN'T ANSWER IT CORRECTLY
15:40:37 INCLUDING ME.
15:40:39 AND I AM NOT GOING TO ASK NOBODY.
15:40:41 SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, LET'S GET OFF OUR HIGH HORSE AND
15:40:46 UNDERSTAND WHAT REALITY IS.
15:40:48 AND REALITY IS FACING US RIGHT.
15:40:50 WHEN YOU TAKE A SHOWER, YOU COME OUT AND LOOK AT YOURSELF
15:40:53 IN THE MIRROR, THAT'S REALITY.
15:40:55 THAT'S YOU.
15:40:56 AND WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE COUNCILMEN THAT UNDERSTAND AND
15:41:01 COUNCIL THAT WANTS CHANGE.
15:41:02 BUT WITH CHANGE SOMETIMES, YOU HAVE TO START WITH
15:41:06 650,000.
15:41:10 BUT WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT 10 MILLION.
15:41:12 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 15.384% OF THE $10 MILLION TO DO
15:41:19 THIS.
15:41:20 NOT THIS.
15:41:21 THIS THING NEVER HAPPENED.
15:41:24 SO GIVE THE CITY A CHANCE TO PROVE ITSELF.
15:41:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
15:41:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:41:31 I THINK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID AND EVERY QUESTION
15:41:33 ASKED.
15:41:33 HOWEVER, COUNCILMAN CARLSON IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER
15:41:39 OPPORTUNITY.
15:41:39 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD TAKE 30 SECONDS, PLEASE.
15:41:42 >> 30 SECONDS.
15:41:44 >>BILL CARLSON: I USED TO LIVE IN SINGAPORE AND I WAS A
15:41:47 CONSULTANT FOR THE SINGAPORE GOVERNMENT, AND I WAS LUCKY
15:41:49 ENOUGH SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO HOST THE SINGAPORE PRIME
15:41:51 MINISTER TO COME TO TAMPA BAY TO SEE WHAT WAS THE
15:41:54 NATION'S LARGEST DESAL PLANT.
15:41:56 SO WE HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY A MODEL FOR OTHER PLACES.
15:41:58 ONE DIFFERENCE WITH SINGAPORE IS THAT THE FOLKS IN
15:42:01 SINGAPORE, ALTHOUGH THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT,
15:42:05 THEY TRUST THE GOVERNMENT, AND TO THE CALIFORNIA
15:42:07 CONSULTANTS AND OTHER CONSULTANTS AT THE TABLE, I WOULD
15:42:09 SAY YES, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO DON'T
15:42:12 LIKE THE IDEA OF DRINKING POTTY WATER AND THERE ARE LOTS
15:42:15 OF EXAMPLES PEOPLE THROW OUT, NEW ORLEANS AND OTHERS.
15:42:19 THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE WAY THESE PROJECTS IN THE PAST
15:42:23 HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, ERODED TRUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
15:42:26 AND IF I COULD JUST ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION ALONG THE
15:42:29 LINES OF WHAT SOME OTHER FOLKS MENTIONED, CITRO
15:42:32 MENTIONED, REVERSE OSMOSIS. MOST OF US HAVE SOME KIND OF
15:42:37 WATER FILTER AT OUR HOME EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE HIGHEST
15:42:40 QUALITY WATER AND WHATEVER BUT EVERY SIX MONTHS WE HAVE
15:42:42 TO CLEAN IT BECAUSE THERE'S CRUD IN THERE.
15:42:45 IN THIS CASE WE WANT TO USE THE AQUIFER AS A FILTER.
15:42:48 TO THE CONSULTANT IN CALIFORNIA, OTHERS, IF YOU HAD
15:42:51 UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF MONEY, WHAT'S THE SAFEST, MOST
15:42:56 ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ALTERNATIVE TO TREAT WASTEWATER,
15:43:00 TO DRINKING WATER QUALITY?
15:43:01 >> THIS IS ANDY SOLVERSON.
15:43:09 I WOULD BE GLAD TO TAKE THE FIRST ANSWER AT THAT.
15:43:13 I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT REVERSE OSMOSIS HAS BEEN
15:43:17 MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, AND THERE'S A LOT OF RELIANCE ON
15:43:19 THAT TECHNOLOGY FOR OCEAN DESALINATION AND ALSO IN
15:43:23 POTABLE REUSE FOR SOME PROJECTS.
15:43:26 BUT I'LL POINT OUT THAT REVERSE OSMOSIS COMES AT A HIGH
15:43:29 ENERGY COST AND YOU MENTIONED COST.
15:43:32 BUT IT COMES AT A HIGHER ENERGY COST AND CREATES A
15:43:35 WASTESTREAM, AND THOSE CAN BE DEALT WITH, BUT DEALING
15:43:37 WITH THEM IN DIFFERENT WAYS, SOME OF THOSE ARE QUITE
15:43:40 COSTLY AS WELL.
15:43:41 SO I WANT TO TAKE THE COST AND PUT IT ASIDE AND SAY THERE
15:43:45 HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF EXTENSIVE PROJECTS WHICH HAVE
15:43:48 LOOKED AT NON-RO BASED TREATMENT SYSTEMS WHICH UTILIZE
15:43:52 OXIDATION AND DESTRUCTION TECHNOLOGIES AND THESE SYSTEMS
15:43:56 ARE ABLE TO ACHIEVE EQUAL OR HIGHER QUALITY THAN REVERSE
15:44:00 OSMOSIS BASED PROJECTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SALT
15:44:03 REDUCTION.
15:44:05 REVERSE OSMOSIS REMOVES SALT AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT
15:44:09 MEMBRANE SYSTEM THEN YOU AREN'T GOING TO BE REMOVING A
15:44:11 LOT OF SALT.
15:44:12 SO I WOULD ANSWER THAT, THESE PARALLEL STUDIES LOOKING AT
15:44:14 THE MOST HIGH QUALITY WATER, YOU CAN ACHIEVE IT IN A
15:44:18 NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS, AND A LOT OF COSTS OF DOING A
15:44:24 POTABLE REUSE TYPE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY IN THE
15:44:27 INFRASTRUCTURE OF MOVING THE WATER EFFICIENTLY FROM THE
15:44:30 POINT OF TREATMENT TO THE POINT OF USE.
15:44:33 SO IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME, AND WE ARE INVOLVED IN A NUMBER
15:44:37 OF PROJECTS INCLUDING INTERNATIONALLY, A LOT OF THE
15:44:41 LEADING EDGE PROJECTS WHERE IT'S BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY
15:44:45 ACTUALLY DON'T INVOLVE REVERSE OSMOSIS.
15:44:48 >>BILL CARLSON: THE QUESTION IS, SETTING ASIDE PRICE,
15:44:54 WHAT IS THE SAFEST MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY METHOD
15:44:58 AROUND THE WORLD TO TREAT WASTEWATER TO DRINKING WATER
15:45:01 QUALITY?
15:45:02 >> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE BROAD RANGE OF TECHNOLOGY,
15:45:08 AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU ONE, BUT REVERSE OSMOSIS IS A
15:45:16 MINORITY IN THE TREATMENT SYSTEMS AROUND THE WORLD AND
15:45:18 YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH VERY HIGH QUALITY WATER WITHOUT IT.
15:45:22 SO I AM NOT GIVING A STRAIGHT ANSWER BECAUSE THE INDUSTRY
15:45:25 IS COMPLEX, BUT CERTAINLY REVERSE OSMOSIS IS NOT THE
15:45:29 HAMMER THAT SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS.
15:45:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I WANT TO STATE AGAIN WHAT I SAID
15:45:47 AT THE BEGINNING OF MY COMMENTS BEFORE.
15:45:48 I'M NOT A HYDRO ENGINEER, AND I MAY HAVE NOT HAVE THE
15:45:53 CREDENTIALS AND/OR DEGREES THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
15:45:56 HAS.
15:45:56 HOWEVER, MY POINT WAS A STAKEHOLDER'S POINT.
15:46:02 WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT AND THE COST IF WE WENT ONE STEP
15:46:07 FURTHER IN CLEANING THE WATER TO BE PUMPED BACK DOWN INTO
15:46:12 THE AQUIFER?
15:46:17 HANG ON ONE SECOND.
15:46:18 I JUST MADE A STATEMENT.
15:46:21 WHETHER IT BE REVERSE OSMOSIS, OR WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN
15:46:24 FROM CALIFORNIA STATED.
15:46:26 AGAIN, I AM TALKING FOR THE PEOPLE FOR THE STAKEHOLDERS,
15:46:30 AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
15:46:34 NOW, A QUESTION THAT I OMITTED THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED,
15:46:38 WITH ALL THE PREEMPTION OR PERCEIVED PREEMPTION OR MAYBE
15:46:42 FUTURE PREEMPTIONS THE STATE IS GOING TO BE PLACING ON
15:46:45 US, THE BROADEST AT THIS POINT NOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF
15:46:51 THE CITY JUST DID NOTHING AND KEPT IT THE SAME WAY THAT
15:46:57 WE WERE DOING THINGS?
15:46:58 WHAT WOULD BE THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR DOING THAT?
15:47:02 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:47:03 >>JEAN DUNCAN: I'LL START OUT WITH AN ANSWER AND MAY ASK
15:47:12 BRAD TO FOLLOW UP.
15:47:13 BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SUSTAINABLE SOURCE
15:47:20 FOR THE RIVER.
15:47:20 THE UTILIZATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVIDE THAT
15:47:24 SOURCE IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
15:47:28 ANDS A YOU CAN SEE WITHIN THAT TIMELINE, LIKE MR. MIRANDA
15:47:31 SAID, WE MAY OR MAY NOT GO FORWARD, BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO
15:47:35 GO FORWARD YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY YEARS IT TAKES TO DO ANY
15:47:38 TYPE OF PROJECT THAT WILL ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS OF THE
15:47:43 FLOW.
15:47:43 SO WE DON'T FEEL IT'S RESPONSIBLE TO SIT AND DO NOTHING
15:47:46 RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE
15:47:49 REQUIRING THE COMPLEX SOLUTION, AND FROM COST.
15:47:57 AND SO AGAIN, TALK OF THIS ADMINISTRATION BEING
15:48:03 SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT, THIS IS A PROJECT WE NEED TO
15:48:06 START WITH NOW SO WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A PRECARIOUS
15:48:10 POSITION, OR AS BRAD MENTIONED, ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO.
15:48:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN.
15:48:23 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:48:24 >> IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, WHO
15:48:26 WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION?
15:48:33 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
15:48:35 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
15:48:36 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
15:48:40 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS NOT AT HIS DESK.
15:48:46 I GUESS WE WAIT UNTIL THE GENTLEMAN RETURNS.
15:48:57 OKAY, THERE WE GO.
15:48:58 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
15:49:00 GUDES TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION.
15:49:02 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
15:49:03 ROLL CALL VOTE.
15:49:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
15:49:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
15:49:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
15:49:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
15:49:13 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
15:49:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
15:49:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
15:49:18 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MANISCALCO AND CARLSON
15:49:21 VOTING NO.
15:49:22 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
15:49:28 ITEM 65 HAS 18 REGISTERED SPEAKERS WHICH ARE WAITING
15:49:32 ONLINE.
15:49:33 WE HAVE NOBODY DOWNSTAIRS IN PERSON.
15:49:34 BUT IF WE COULD BUMP THIS UP AND TAKE IT UP AND GET THIS
15:49:38 OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN WE CAN FINISH THE AGENDA.
15:49:43 ITEM NUMBER 65 IS REGARDING THE MORATORIUM AS DISCUSSED.
15:49:50 WE HAVE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION CALLED THE HURRICANE
15:49:52 EVACUATION PLAN, IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP.
15:49:58 YES, SIR?
15:50:00 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A 6:30 THAT I COMMITTED TO GO TO.
15:50:03 I CAN CANCEL MY ATTENDANCE.
15:50:06 AND IT'S DOWNTOWN.
15:50:07 HOW LONG DO WE THINK THIS WILL GO?
15:50:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T THINK WE FINISH UNTIL 7:00.
15:50:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
15:50:20 >>CAROLE POST: ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND
15:50:22 ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.
15:50:24 ON ITEM 65, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE PULLED UP AND READY.
15:50:32 THIS MOTION WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TWO PARTS TO THE
15:50:35 MOTION, ONE IS THE NATURE OF THE MORATORIUM REQUEST AND
15:50:38 THE OTHER WAS A REQUEST FOR A REPORT BY STAFF ON THE
15:50:45 REPORT ON EVACUATION PLANS FOR THE CITY IN THE EVENT OF A
15:50:48 HURRICANE.
15:50:49 SO AS THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PARTS TO THE MOTION, WE
15:50:52 WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE TWO BRIEF PRESENTATIONS TO ADDRESS
15:50:55 EACH OF THE SEPARATE PARTS.
15:50:58 JOHN ANTAPASIS IS OUR EMERGENCY COORDINATOR ON THE
15:51:04 EVACUATION PLANNING QUESTION.
15:51:05 AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW HIM WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION ON
15:51:09 THE MORATORIUM, AND THEN ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO TAKE ON
15:51:13 FURTHER DISCUSSION.
15:51:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
15:51:16 WE ARE GOING TO BE DELAYED.
15:51:17 I NEED TO STEP OUT AND CANCEL A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
15:51:20 HOWEVER, FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, THERE ARE SPEAKERS ALL
15:51:22 AROUND OUR OFFICE.
15:51:23 I WILL BE LISTENING TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED.
15:51:27 EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIR.
15:51:28 THANK YOU.
15:51:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
15:51:30 >>CAROLE POST: JOHN?
15:51:35 >> JOHN ANTAPASIS: GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.
15:51:37 MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
15:51:42 AND NEXT SLIDE.
15:51:42 THIS WAS A MOTION.
15:51:45 OKAY.
15:51:45 I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE TAMPA
15:51:48 HURRICANE EVACUATION PLAN.
15:51:49 I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER AND OVERVIEW OF OUR
15:51:52 COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE CITY.
15:51:55 TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE HAZARD MAP THAT IS OPEN TO THE
15:51:58 PUBLIC TO LOOK AT VULNERABILITIES, DIFFERENT HAZY HAZARD
15:52:01 OF THE CITY AND, AND THEN FOLLOWING UP WITH OUR SHELTER
15:52:06 PLANNING AS WELL.
15:52:08 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
15:52:13 FOR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN IS REALLY OUR PLAYBOOK FOR
15:52:16 ANY HAZARD IMPACTING THE CITY INCLUDING HURRICANES.
15:52:20 IN THAT PLAN, WE RECENTLY UPDATED IT TO 2020 TO ADDRESS
15:52:24 SOME OF THE PANDEMIC ISSUES GOING ON AND ALSO UPDATING
15:52:27 SOME OF THE INFORMATION FOR OUR HURRICANE PLANNING GOING
15:52:30 INTO LAST HURRICANE SEASON.
15:52:32 WE IDENTIFIED DIFFERENT HAZARDS AND DIFFERENT RISK
15:52:35 ASSESSMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, AND WE ALSO ADJUSTED
15:52:37 SOME OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA EMERGENCY ORGANIZATIONAL
15:52:40 STRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO ACTIVATE FOR AN EMERGENCY.
15:52:45 OUR STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, STATE OF
15:52:48 FLORIDA, AND OTHER NONPROFIT AND NONGOVERNMENTAL
15:52:52 ORGANIZATIONS WHAT THEIR GOALS AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE,
15:52:54 AND WE ALSO UPDATED MAPS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN
15:52:57 INCLUDING OUR HEART EVACUATION BUS ROUTE, OUR EMERGENCY
15:53:00 RESPONSE CENTER, THAT PUSH DEBRIS AFTER A HURRICANE, AS
15:53:04 WELL AS OUR PUBLIC SHELTERS AND UPDATED FLOOD MAP AND
15:53:08 EVACUATION.
15:53:12 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
15:53:13 FOR THE PUBLIC, THE TAMPA HAZARD MAP HAS BEEN AROUND FOR
15:53:16 A LITTLE WHILE.
15:53:16 WE ACTUALLY HELPED UPDATE IT RECENTLY.
15:53:19 IF YOU GO TO TAMPAGOV.NET/HAZARDMAP ANY RESIDENT DID LOOK
15:53:27 AT ANY HAZARD THAT WOULD BE FOR THEIR HOME OR BUSINESS
15:53:30 AND THEN AGAIN LOOKING AT HURRICANE, FLOODING, TORNADOES,
15:53:33 SINKHOLES, SEA LEVEL RISE, THIS ONE MAP THAT ALLOWS THE
15:53:38 RESIDENTS TO GO AHEAD AND SEARCH SPECIFIC ADDRESS POINTS
15:53:41 AND LOOK AT THOSE VULNERABILITIES.
15:53:43 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
15:53:47 OUR HURRICANE EVACUATION DECISION-MAKING PROCESS IS THE
15:53:49 SAME THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
15:53:51 WE ALWAYS WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR LOCAL NATIONAL
15:53:53 WEATHER SERVICE OUT OF RUSKIN AND AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL
15:53:57 HURRICANE CENTER TO GET THE LATEST INFORMATION FOR AN
15:54:00 APPROACHING STORM TO OUR AREA.
15:54:01 STORMS INCLUDING ON THE TIME AND INTENSITY OF THOSE
15:54:05 STORMS CHANGES VERY DAY UNANIMOUSLY.
15:54:08 IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN 2017 WITH HURRICANE IRMA, AGAIN
15:54:12 THAT CHANGED RAPIDLY FROM ONE SECOND IT WAS GOING TO BE
15:54:15 IN THE SOUTH FLORIDA AREA, TO THEN ENDING RIGHT AT US.
15:54:18 AND THEN CONTINUED TO MOVE EAST AND WE WERE LUCKILY
15:54:21 SPARED FROM THAT STORM.
15:54:23 BUT WE BASED OUR EVACUATION ORDER ON THE SURGE MODELS
15:54:27 THAT ARE PROVIDED FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER, AND
15:54:30 THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR RESIDENTS
15:54:33 THAN NECESSARY WATER MOVE TO HIGHER LAND.
15:54:38 AND THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER PROVIDES US THOSE
15:54:40 MODELING STORM SURGE FOR THAT SPECIFIC STORM THAT REALLY
15:54:47 HELPS A LOT OF THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
15:54:51 EVACUATION ORDERS WILL BE MADE IN COORDINATION WITH
15:54:53 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND IN THEIR EMERGENCY MEETING WITH
15:54:56 BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR EVACUATION ZONE AND
15:54:58 THOSE ORDER. THE REASON WE COLLABORATE WITH HILLSBOROUGH
15:55:03 COUNTY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH SHELTERING
15:55:05 AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE SHELTERS ARE OPENED BEFORE
15:55:11 ANY EVACUATION ORDER IS MADE.
15:55:13 SO JUST FOR A TIMELINE, [~INTERFERENCE~] FROM THE
15:55:24 NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER.
15:55:25 AGAIN WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM IN GETTING THOSE
15:55:28 MODELS EARLY.
15:55:29 WE THEN BEGIN COORDINATING WITH OUR DEPARTMENT STAFF,
15:55:32 POTENTIAL ACTIVATION OF OUR EMERGENCY OPERATION, WE
15:55:35 CONTINUOUSLY PROVIDE UPDATES FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION ABOUT
15:55:37 THE STORM AND INTERACTING OUR LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY AS
15:55:41 WELL AND ORGANIZING ALL THE COMMAND CENTERS AND
15:55:44 DEPARTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE READY TO RESPOND TO THE
15:55:47 HURRICANE.
15:55:47 WE ALSO COORDINATE VERY CLOSELY WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
15:55:50 ON ANY SHELTER, AND THEN ANY EVACUATION ORDERS THAT ARE
15:55:54 MADE, TRIGGER POINTS TO ACTIVATE THE HEART EVACUATION BUS
15:55:59 LANE, AS WELL AS OPENING UP SHELTERS TO ENSURE THEY HAVE
15:56:03 A SAFE PLACE TO BE.
15:56:06 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
15:56:08 AND THEN FOR SHELTERING PLANNING, THERE'S THREE KINDS OF
15:56:11 SHELTERS.
15:56:11 WE HAVE A GENERAL POPULATION SHELTER, PET FRIENDLY
15:56:14 SHELTER, AND SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTER.
15:56:16 THIS LAST HURRICANE SEASON, WE SIGNED A MEMORANDUM OF
15:56:18 UNDERSTANDING WITH THE MAYOR'S LEADERSHIP AND YOUR
15:56:21 SUPPORT TO ACTUALLY STAFF THE EIGHT GENERAL POPULATION
15:56:25 SHELTERS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND IN THE FACE OF
15:56:28 COVID-19 THIS LAST YEAR WE HAD TO MODIFY SOME OF OUR
15:56:30 PLANS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE OPENING UP MORE SHELTERS
15:56:33 FASTER IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT INFECTIONS DON'T BREAK OUT
15:56:38 IN THOSE SHELTERS.
15:56:39 AGAIN THE SHELTER IS A LIFE BOAT, NOT A CRUISE SHIP.
15:56:46 WE CONTINUE TO URGE RESIDENTS IN AN EVACUATION ZONE TO
15:56:47 HAVE PLANS TO STAY WITH FAMILY OR FRIENDS OR LOOK AT A
15:56:50 HOTEL OR SOME OTHER OUTSIDE OF THOSE EVACUATION ZONES,
15:56:53 BUT AGAIN THE SHELTER ITSELF IS A LIVE BOAT, NOT ACROSS
15:56:56 SHIP.
15:56:57 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
15:57:03 FINALLY, FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE, WE WANT TO
15:57:07 MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE MAKING HURRICANE
15:57:12 PLANS, MAKING SURE YOU HAVE THOSE PLANS UPDATED, AND STAY
15:57:16 INFORMED BY SANING UP FOR OUR ALERT TAMPA EMERGENCY
15:57:18 NOTIFICATION SYSTEM SO YOU CAN GET DIRECT ALERTS FROM THE
15:57:21 CITY.
15:57:21 WE WOULD ALSO FOLLOW UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ON TWITTER AND
15:57:25 FACEBOOK AND ALERT TAMPA.
15:57:26 ANY QUESTIONS?
15:57:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
15:57:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
15:57:32 THANK YOU, JOHN.
15:57:34 FOR THAT PRESENTATION.
15:57:35 AND THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA, FOR REQUESTING IT.
15:57:40 NOT ONLY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT AS WE
15:57:43 HEAD TOWARDS THE SUMMER AGAIN PORTION THAT WE FOCUS ON
15:57:47 THESE ISSUES EVERY DAY AND BE PREPARED.
15:57:50 JOHN, MY QUESTION, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE
15:57:55 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THE
15:58:00 EVACUATION ZONES, SPECIFICALLY THE A THE B ZONE.
15:58:05 IF YOU COULD GO WHOEVER IS PLANNING YOUR CHART, IF YOU
15:58:08 COULD GO BACK ON THE SLIDE, TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED -- I
15:58:15 THINK IT SHOWED THE EVACUATION AREAS.
15:58:17 I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT SHOWS BUT MAYBE GO BACK TO
15:58:20 THAT AND TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS THE
15:58:23 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN -- BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE
15:58:26 FLORIDA STATUTES AND THE VARIOUS REGS FROM THE EMERGENCY
15:58:32 MANAGEMENT PEOPLE AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND ON THE ONE
15:58:34 HAND, SPEAKS TO COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
15:58:38 YEAH, THAT'S IT.
15:58:39 ON THE OTHER HAND, IT SPEAKS TO THE EVACUATION AREAS.
15:58:43 AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD HELP CLARIFY
15:58:48 THAT FOR ME.
15:58:49 WHAT IS THIS MAP SHOWING?
15:58:51 >> SO THIS MAP IS ACTUALLY THE STORM SURGE OF WORST CASE
15:58:55 SCENARIO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, FROM THE NATIONAL
15:58:58 HURRICANE CENTER.
15:58:59 THEY RUN MODELS ON THIS AND IT'S REALLY JUST SHOWING THE
15:59:02 STORM SURGE PROBABILITY OF A WORST CASE SCENARIO, NOT HOW
15:59:07 OUR ZONES ARE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED.
15:59:08 THEY ARE BASED ON WORST CASE SCENARIO, HURRICANE HITTING
15:59:11 CITY TAMPA AND BASICALLY SETTING UP LINES BASED ON THE
15:59:15 DIFFERENT POTENTIAL SURGE PROBABILITY, OR MAGNITUDE OF IT
15:59:19 HAPPENING IN THOSE AREAS, NOT NECESSARILY COASTAL HIGH
15:59:22 HAZARD AREA.
15:59:23 IT'S BASED OFF OF MODELING OF WORST-CASE HURRICANE
15:59:27 SCENARIO.
15:59:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, IN THIS CASE, LOOKING AT THE
15:59:41 PENINSULA, THE PENINSULA IS A BIG PART OF THIS
15:59:46 DISCUSSION SOUTH OF TAMPA, SOUTH OF GANDY, WHEREVER WE
15:59:47 WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
15:59:52 OBVIOUSLY THAT RED AREA MUST BE, WHAT, EVACUATION AREA
15:59:56 "A" IN TERMS OF -- IN TERMS OF THE HIGHEST LIKELIHOOD
16:00:00 OF STORM SURGE?
16:00:05 >> JUST OPERATIONALLY, IT IS BASED ON THE MOST -- OF
16:00:09 THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO STORM OF IMPACTS, THEY ARE MOST
16:00:12 LIKELY HAVE THE WORST IMPACTS OF LEVEL "A."
16:00:15 AND OPERATIONALLY FOR US, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE
16:00:17 INDIVIDUAL STORMS HAVE SPECIFIC IMPACTS.
16:00:20 WE START GETTING THE FORECAST FROM THE HURRICANE CENTER
16:00:23 THAT GIVES US OPERATIONALLY WHAT RESIDENTS WE WANT TO
16:00:28 CLEAR OUT FIRST.
16:00:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THE MIDDLE AND THE INTERIOR OF
16:00:36 THE PENINSULA SOUTH OF KENNEDY DOWN ON THE INTERIOR IS
16:00:39 SORT OF AN ORANGE COLOR.
16:00:40 WOULD THAT BE LEVEL B?
16:00:43 >> THAT WOULD BE LEVEL B, SIR, YES.
16:00:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS WE PROCEED NORTH, WE GO INTO
16:00:50 WHAT LOOKS TO BE A LITTLE MORE YELLOW, AND I WOULD
16:00:52 ASSUME THAT WOULD BE A "C"?
16:00:59 >> CORRECT, C, D, AND E AS IN PURPLE FOR A WORST-CASE
16:01:00 SCENARIO.
16:01:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SAFE TO SAY -- I AM ASKING THIS FOR
16:01:03 AN IMPORTANT REASON.
16:01:07 SAFE TO SAY THAT EVERYTHING SOUTH OF APPROXIMATELY EL
16:01:15 PRADO OR EUCLID IS -- IS EVACUATION AREA A OR B?
16:01:18 >> YES, EXCEPT FOR THE MIDDLE PART OF SOUTH TAMPA WHERE
16:01:25 YOU SEE THAT LEVEL B, THE MIDDLE OF THE PENINSULA.
16:01:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
16:01:36 ANYTHING SOUTH OF EUCLID, EL PRADO IS EITHER A OR B?
16:01:37 >> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
16:01:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THOSE ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE A OR B,
16:01:44 NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE IN THE CITY.
16:01:47 AND THOSE WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO WOULD HAVE TO
16:01:50 EVACUATE.
16:01:54 >> YES, POTENTIALLY EACH STORM IS DYNAMIC.
16:01:58 I WORKED HURRICANE MICHAEL IN THE PANHANDLE, A FAST
16:02:00 MOVING ZONE AT CATEGORY 5.
16:02:04 WE COULD HAVE ALL AT ONCE ORDERED TO EVACUATE.
16:02:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY LAST QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
16:02:13 AND I AM ASKING THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE CATE TOLD US IT
16:02:16 IS -- TO HAVE A FACTUAL PREDICATE FOR WHAT WE ARE
16:02:17 DOING.
16:02:22 MY LAST QUESTION, MAYBE AN EXTRA CONCERN OR EXTRA STUDY
16:02:27 AS RELATED TO THE PENINSULA BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUE
16:02:32 LOCATION FROM A TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN
16:02:35 EVACUATION PERSPECTIVE AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
16:02:40 IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WE HEARD THE RESIDENTS SAY AND
16:02:46 PERHAPS WHAT THEY EXPERIENCED BACK IN THE 2004 STORMS
16:02:50 IS THAT WE GET THE PINELLAS FOLKS COMING OVER THE
16:02:55 BRIDGE, THE GANDY BRIDGE, AND ALSO THE HOWARD
16:02:56 FRANKLAND.
16:03:00 AND SPECIFICALLY THE GANDY, BUT WE HAVE SORT OF A
16:03:04 DOUBLE IMPACT OF THE FOLKS COMING OVER GO OVER THE
16:03:04 GANDY BRIDGE.
16:03:09 AND IT IS EXACERBATED BY FOLKS GOING NORTH OUT OF THE
16:03:13 PINELLAS, AND SNARLS UP BECAUSE PEOPLE ONLY HAVE ONE
16:03:15 DIRECTION TO GO, WHICH IS NORTH.
16:03:18 AS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY WHERE YOU MIGHT
16:03:19 HAVE MORE OPTIONS.
16:03:21 YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO NORTH.
16:03:25 YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO EAST.
16:03:30 >> SO REALLY FOR EVACUATIONS, WE DON'T LOOK AT IT AS
16:03:32 SPECIFIC OF AN EXACT LOCATION.
16:03:36 THE WHOLE CITY AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAVE THROUGH
16:03:40 OUR REGIONAL EVACUATION STUDY UPDATE WHICH IS FOR OUR
16:03:43 NEXT HURRICANE SEASON, NEW CLEARANCE TIMES BECAUSE
16:03:45 PINELLAS, YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY USE THE SAME
16:03:47 TRANSPORTATION NETWORK AS WE USE.
16:03:50 SO IN GENERAL -- I GREW UP IN FLORIDA.
16:03:53 IF WE ARE LIVING ON THE BEACH, I MEAN, THAT IS WHERE
16:03:53 STORM SURGE HAPPENS.
16:03:56 IF WE ARE LIVING NEAR WATER, THAT IS WHY I MAKE THE
16:03:59 MESSAGE RUNNING FROM THE WATER, HIDE FROM THE WIND.
16:04:02 AS MUCH -- THAT HAS HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF
16:04:02 FLORIDA.
16:04:06 WE LIKE LIVING NEAR THE BEACH BUT THE VULNERABILITY.
16:04:09 LIVING NEAR WATER AND THE STORM SURGE THAT COMES WITH
16:04:11 THE HURRICANES ARE DESTRUCTIVE.
16:04:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
16:04:15 SO YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS MORE FROM A REGIONAL
16:04:16 PERSPECTIVE.
16:04:21 I GUESS -- I GUESS -- I GUESS, YOU HAVE BEEN -- YOU
16:04:24 HAVE BEEN IN THE BAY AREA DOING THIS FOR HOW LONG?
16:04:29 >> I HAVE WORKED IN CITY OF TAMPA 2014-'17.
16:04:33 I CAME BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, BUT I GREW UP IN
16:04:35 SOUTH FLORIDA MOST OF MY LIFE.
16:04:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE -- THE CONCERN THAT I RAISED
16:04:42 PERHAPS A HALF MILLION PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE
16:04:46 SOUTHERN PART OF PINELLAS COUNTY MIGHT VERY WELL CHOOSE
16:04:53 TO -- TO EVACUATE OVER THE GANDY BRIDGE IS POTENTIALLY
16:04:56 CREATING -- GOING TO CREATE A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE REST
16:04:59 OF THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THE PENINSULA.
16:05:02 IS THAT SAFE TO SAY?
16:05:04 >> WELL, AND I THINK -- THE STATE LOOKS AT THAT
16:05:05 REGIONAL APPROACH.
16:05:09 AND WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE NETWORK SYSTEM FROM PASCO
16:05:13 DOWN TO MANATEE, AND THEY RUN NUMBERS OF DIFFERENT
16:05:16 CATEGORIES OF STORM AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO CLEAR OUT
16:05:18 THE REGION AND LOOK AT THE COUNTY.
16:05:20 HOW THEY CLEAR OUT THESE ZONES.
16:05:24 THEY LOOK AT IT AS A HOLISTIC APPROACH.
16:05:26 LOOKING AT ONE SPECIFIC AREA SOUTH COMPANY AND REDUCING
16:05:29 SOME OF THE TRIPS ON THAT EVACUATION ROUTE ISN'T
16:05:32 NECESSARILY THE ENTIRE BIG PICTURE WHAT IS GOING ON IN
16:05:35 OUR ENTIRE REGION BECAUSE A HURRICANE IS NOT JUST GOING
16:05:37 TO IMPACT THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT WILL IMPACT THE ENTIRE
16:05:39 REGION.
16:05:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
16:05:42 AND AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL DO YOU.
16:05:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
16:05:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:05:49 TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING, WE HAVE A NEW
16:05:55 EXTENSION TO THE CROSSTOWN -- EXCUSE ME, TO THE LEE ROY
16:05:55 SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
16:05:59 AND IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN EVACUATION, DO DIFFERENT
16:06:02 AREAS GET EVACUATED AT DIFFERENT TIMES?
16:06:08 WILL -- LET ME REPHRASE THAT, ST. PETE, SOUTH PINELLAS
16:06:12 GET EVACUATED, SAY, BEFORE SOUTH TAMPA?
16:06:16 >> SO WE HAVE REGIONAL CALLS WITH PINELLAS COUNTY,
16:06:17 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE REGION.
16:06:19 SO THERE ARE TALKS ABOUT THAT, ABOUT TIMING.
16:06:22 BUT NOT NECESSARILY THAT PINELLAS NEEDS TO GO FIRST
16:06:23 BEFORE HILLSBOROUGH.
16:06:25 THAT DECISION MAKING IS NOT.
16:06:27 THAT DOES NOT GO TOGETHER.
16:06:30 WE DO COLLABORATE WITH EACH OTHER TO UNDERSTAND WHERE
16:06:34 PINELLAS -- WHERE THEIR DECISION MAKING IS GOING ON BUT
16:06:36 HILLSBOROUGH AND CITY OF TAMPA, WE COMMUNICATE WITH
16:06:36 THEM.
16:06:39 BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WAIT FOR PINELLAS TO COME
16:06:43 THROUGH FIRST BEFORE WE CAN EVACUATE OUR RESIDENTS, NO.
16:06:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOING BACK TO THE LEE ROY SELMON.
16:06:49 TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DOES FDOT DURING
16:06:54 EVACUATIONS HAVE ALL TRAFFIC GOING IN ONE DIRECTION NO
16:06:59 MATTER WHICH DIRECTION THE LANES ARE?
16:07:02 >> SIR, THEY TRIED THE REVERSE COUNTERFLOW.
16:07:05 THOSE PLANS HAVE -- HAD ISSUES WITH THEM IN THE PAST.
16:07:08 SO FROM THE STRATEGIES I HAVE HEARD FROM THE STATE,
16:07:11 THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT FROM PAST STORMS BECAUSE
16:07:14 THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH THE CONTRAFLOW AND THE
16:07:17 AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO SET UP AND HAVE A HIGHWAY
16:07:20 PATROL HAVE THAT ALL SET UP FOR CARS TO GO IN THE
16:07:23 OPPOSITE DIRECTION LIKE THEY NORMALLY WOULD.
16:07:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GLAD YOU ARE HERE TO ANSWER THESE
16:07:26 QUESTIONS.
16:07:32 WOULD IT BE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS AN EVACUATION ESPECIALLY
16:07:36 USING THE NEW EXTENSION OF THE LEE ROY SELMON FROM
16:07:39 PEOPLE FROM SOUTH PINELLAS TO GET ON TO THAT EXTENSION
16:07:42 AND NOT GET OFF THAT EXTENSION UNTIL THEY GET TO
16:07:47 BRANDON OR I-4?
16:07:47 >> YEAH.
16:07:50 AND WITH THIS NEW UPDATED EVACUATION STUDY, THEY ARE
16:07:53 LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK SYSTEM AND THE
16:07:55 NEW CAPACITY WE HAVE WITH THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY AS
16:07:56 WELL.
16:07:58 AND THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ON THOSE CLEARANCE
16:08:02 TIMES, BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS PART OF THE STUDY THAT IS
16:08:04 GOING ON RIGHT NOW OF THE NEW TIMES AND THE NEW
16:08:06 INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO INCREASE
16:08:08 OR DECREASE THOSE TIMES.
16:08:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO TO MY POINT, IT WOULD BE MORE
16:08:14 EFFECTIVE TO KEEP ANYTHING COMING OVER FROM SOUTHERN
16:08:18 PINELLAS COUNTY, USING THE GANDY, KEEPING IT OFF THE
16:08:21 LOWER LEVEL, KEEP IT ON THE UPPER EXTENSION UNTIL IT
16:08:26 GETS TO I-4 OR BRANDON?
16:08:27 >> POTENTIALLY.
16:08:30 I WOULD SEE A LOT OF RESIDENTS FROM PINELLAS WANTING TO
16:08:32 JUMP ON THAT SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
16:08:34 AND IF THAT WAS THE QUICKEST WAY OUT.
16:08:37 RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO START LOOKING FOR THE QUICKEST
16:08:39 WAY OUT DURING AN EVACUATION ORDER.
16:08:45 SO POTENTIALLY, YES, GET ON THE SELMON AND TAKE THEIR
16:08:46 WAY OUT.
16:08:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: UPPER LEVEL, OF COURSE.
16:08:49 THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE.
16:08:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:08:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
16:08:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO, THANK YOU.
16:08:59 NEXT PRESENTATION.
16:09:02 >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU, CAROLE POST, DIRECTOR OF
16:09:04 ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.
16:09:07 IF WE CAN TURN TO THE SECOND PRESENTATION REGARDING THE
16:09:11 MORATORIUM ASPECT OF THE MOTION.
16:09:25 PULL THOSE SLIDES UP.
16:09:29 IS THAT IN PROCESS?
16:09:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T SEE IT YET.
16:09:53 >>CAROLE POST: OKAY.
16:09:58 SO SLIDE TWO, PLEASE.
16:10:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
16:10:09 >> THANK YOU, AS I SAID, THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS
16:10:10 REFLECTED HERE.
16:10:13 WE COVERED PART TWO OF THE MOTION, AND WE NOW WANT TO
16:10:16 COVER PART ONE THAT WAS RELATIVE TO THE UNDERLYING
16:10:19 PORTION, A REQUEST FOR STAFF TO DRAFT A ONE-YEAR
16:10:23 MORATORIUM ON REZONINGS AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT
16:10:27 ARE RELATED TO MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS LARGER THAN FOUR
16:10:29 UNITS WITHIN THE CITY SOUTH OF BAY TO BAY.
16:10:30 NEXT SLIDE.
16:10:34 I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND THAT
16:10:37 PRESENTS HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT TODAY.
16:10:40 IF YOU RECALL, WE PRESENTED A COMPREHENSIVE
16:10:43 PRESENTATION ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT MATTERS ON OCTOBER
16:10:44 22.
16:10:47 WE BECAME TIME LIMITED AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT
16:10:47 PRESENTATION.
16:10:51 WE CAME BACK ON DECEMBER 3 TO ACTUALLY PRESENT THE
16:10:54 SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR
16:10:56 CONSIDERATION.
16:10:59 IT WAS AT THAT DECEMBER 3 MEETING FOLLOWING SOME OF
16:11:01 THOSE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A
16:11:04 MOTION THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY.
16:11:08 AND FROM THAT ON UNTIL TODAY, WE HAVE ANALYZED A NUMBER
16:11:11 OF MATTERS RELATIVE TO THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL
16:11:14 AS THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE MOTION AS
16:11:16 PROPOSED.
16:11:21 WE ALSO CONVENED A -- CONVENED A NUMBER TIME WITH
16:11:23 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND INDIVIDUALS AND RESIDENTS.
16:11:26 YOU CAN SEE THE DATES THERE OF VARIOUS MEETINGS AND
16:11:28 CALLS THAT WERE SET UP.
16:11:30 WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS COMMUNICATION AND
16:11:36 E-MAILS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT ALL HAVE BEEN FILED, READ
16:11:39 AND ACCOUNTED FOR AND APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND GIVEN
16:11:42 ALL OF THAT ANALYSIS AND BACKGROUND.
16:11:45 TODAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OUR RESPONSE TO THE
16:11:48 REQUEST THAT COUNCIL MADE ON DECEMBER 3, AS WELL AS
16:11:50 OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
16:11:52 NEXT SLIDE.
16:11:55 JUST AN OUTLINE OF WHO IS PRESENTING FOR THE NEXT FEW
16:11:56 MINUTES.
16:12:01 CATE WELLS, OUR SENIOR ASSISTANT ATTORNEY, WILL PROVIDE
16:12:04 INFORMATION FOR THE LEGAL BASIS OF THE MORATORIUM AND
16:12:07 OUR RESPONSE TO THE MOTION AND ABBYE AND RANDY AS NOTED
16:12:10 HERE WILL DISCUSS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE WOULD LIKE
16:12:13 THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AND THEN OPEN THE FLOOR OPEN
16:12:14 FOR DISCUSSION.
16:12:19 FOR THAT TURN IT OVER TO CATE AND TAKE THE NEXT SLIDE.
16:12:19 THANK YOU.
16:12:22 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, CAROLE.
16:12:25 CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
16:12:29 I WILL BE ADDRESSING THE ISSUES ON THIS SLIDE.
16:12:32 DURING COUNCIL'S MEETING ON DECEMBER 3, I WAS ASKED
16:12:36 ABOUT THE PROCESS OF WHICH A MORATORIUM CAN BE
16:12:39 ESTABLISHED, AND I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REVISIT THE
16:12:42 LEGAL REQUIREMENTS TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR TODAY'S
16:12:43 DISCUSSION.
16:12:46 GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE CITY MAY ADOPT A MORATORIUM AS
16:12:49 A PROPER EXERCISE OF ITS POLICE POWER.
16:12:51 IF IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THAT IT IS INTENDED TO SERVE
16:12:56 OR PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE.
16:12:59 SINCE A MORATORIUM MAY EFFECT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY
16:13:03 RIGHTS THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD IMPOSE CAUTION WHEN
16:13:05 IMPOSING A MORATORIUM.
16:13:11 THE MORATORIUM SHOULD BE ADOPTED IN GOOD FAITH AND NOT
16:13:13 DISCRIMINATORY.
16:13:15 IT MUST BE LIMITED IN DURATION AND FOLLOWING ADOPTION
16:13:19 OF THE MORATORIUM, THE CITY MUST EXPEDITIOUSLY MOVE
16:13:21 FORWARD WITH THE NECESSARY LEGISLATION TO ADDRESS THE
16:13:25 PROBLEM OR ISSUE WHICH CAUSED THE CITY TO RESULT TO THE
16:13:26 MORATORIUM.
16:13:29 WITH RESPECT TO COUNCIL'S MOTION, FURTHER DISCUSSION
16:13:32 AND ANALYSIS SHOULD BE PROVIDED ON THE THIRD, FOURTH
16:13:36 AND FIFTH BULLET POINTS ON THIS SLIDE.
16:13:39 SPECIFICALLY THE FACTUAL PREDICATE FOR THE MORATORIUM,
16:13:43 THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE MORATORIUM, AND THE
16:13:47 ANTICIPATED LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO RESOLVE THE STATE
16:13:50 PROBLEM OF THE IMPACT OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL
16:13:53 DEVELOPMENTS LARGER THAN FOUR UNITS SOUTH OF BAY TO BAY
16:13:56 UPON EVACUATION TIMES.
16:13:59 UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS ME TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ON EACH
16:14:02 OF THE BULLET POINTS BECAUSE I KNOW TIME IS LIMITED
16:14:07 TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO ABBYE AND RANDY.
16:14:09 THANK YOU.
16:14:13 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, CATE, ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR
16:14:15 OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
16:14:19 IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
16:14:24 AS CAROLE MENTIONED, AND CATE AS WELL, WHEN THE MOTION
16:14:28 IS MADE BY COUNCIL, OUR TEAM BEGAN TO EVALUATE,
16:14:31 RESEARCH AND LOOK AT THE MULTIPLE ASPECTS THAT COME
16:14:35 ALONG WITH THAT MOTION AND WHAT WE COULD TO DO COME
16:14:39 BACK TO YOU TODAY WITH THAT INFORMATION AS -- AS WELL
16:14:42 AS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS.
16:14:47 AND WE REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THAT PENINSULA, THE
16:14:52 AREA FROM BAY TO BAY SOUTH THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE
16:14:57 MOTION AND WHAT -- NUMBER ONE IN RELATION WITH THE
16:15:01 EVACUATION WHICH YOU JUST HEARD IS A REGIONAL APPROACH.
16:15:06 AND IN TWO, KIND OF, OKAY, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE?
16:15:08 WHAT PROPERTY DO WE HAVE LEFT?
16:15:12 WHAT IS THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL IN THIS AREA?
16:15:17 HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
16:15:18 IN THIS AREA.
16:15:22 TRYING TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT WAS ON THE TABLE.
16:15:28 AND IN CONTEMPLATING THOSE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND
16:15:33 EXAMINING THE EVACUATION PREMISE, BROUGHT US BACK TO
16:15:36 ONE OF COUNCIL'S ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS THAT HAPPENED
16:15:40 DURING REZONING, AND THIS WHAT IS THE NO NET INCREASE.
16:15:43 IF EVACUATION ISN'T THE PROBLEM, IS IT THE NO NET
16:15:44 INCREASE?
16:15:47 WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT?
16:15:51 SO AS EACH PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE, AND THAT
16:15:55 FUTURE LAND USE HAS AN ASSIGNMENT OF ENTITLEMENT TO IT
16:16:00 OF POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT, WE WERE LOOKING
16:16:06 AT THE LAND -- THE FUTURE LAND USE, AND THEN THE LAND
16:16:12 DEVELOPMENT THAT FACILITATE IMPLEMENTATION.
16:16:16 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
16:16:20 SEEK TO DIRECT POPULATION AWAY FROM THE CHHA.
16:16:23 THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN NO DEVELOPMENT, NOR DOES
16:16:30 IT MEAN NO TRANSFER OF VACANT LAND INTO DEVELOPED LAND.
16:16:34 SO THE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON
16:16:39 IS LOOKING AT ESTABLISHING AN ABATEMENT ON THE RECEIPT
16:16:43 AND PROCESSING OF THOSE APPLICATIONS IN RELATION TO THE
16:16:46 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AS A WHOLE.
16:16:49 AS THIS AREA IS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMP PLAN.
16:16:50 IT IS AN UNIQUE AREA.
16:16:54 IT DOES HAVE CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE
16:16:58 GENERAL AREAS OF OUR CITY IN RELATION TO PLANNING.
16:17:02 THE OTHER -- NUMBER TWO THAT IS BELOW TALKS ABOUT
16:17:07 REMOVING THE FLOOR AREA OPTION FOR SINGLE-USE
16:17:08 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
16:17:11 IN LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE
16:17:18 PAST TEN YEARS, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MIXED USE
16:17:21 CATEGORIES THAT TALK ABOUT EITHER-OR.
16:17:26 SO YOU GET EITHER THE DENSITY OR THE INTENSITY.
16:17:30 AND THEN MANY OF THESE MIXED USE CATEGORIES ALSO HAVE A
16:17:31 BONUS AVAILABLE IN THAT.
16:17:34 WHAT I DID FIND IN MY RESEARCH IS THAT NOBODY WAS
16:17:37 BONUSING SOUTH OF BAY TO BAY.
16:17:45 THESE WERE PREDOMINANTLY FAR UTILIZATIONS FOR SINGLE
16:17:45 USE RESIDENTIAL.
16:17:51 IN THAT IN SOME INSTANCES, THEY WERE GETTING 20%, 30%,
16:17:58 OR POTENTIALLY EVEN 50% MORE UNITS THAN THEY WOULD BE
16:18:02 GETTING BY USING THE BASE DENSITY.
16:18:06 SO IN ORDER TO GO BACK TO THE NO NET INCREASE AND WHAT
16:18:10 WAS PLANNED UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE, REMOVING THAT AS
16:18:15 AN OPTION FOR SINGLE USE RELATION WOULD STOP THAT
16:18:19 CREEP, SO TO SPEAK, OF THOSE INCREASES IN PERCENTAGES
16:18:21 OF UNITS.
16:18:25 THE THIRD IS LIMITING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY TO
16:18:26 THAT BASE.
16:18:32 IN THE UMU-60, THAT WOULD BE A FIFTH UNIT PER ACRE BASE
16:18:38 AND CMU-35, A 3000 PER ACRE BASE.
16:18:41 THAT BASE WILL BE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY THAT
16:18:44 WOULD BE IN LINE WITH WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THE LAND USE
16:18:47 CATEGORIES WITHIN THAT AREA.
16:18:49 THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WE ARE BRINGING FORTH TODAY
16:18:52 LOOKS AT THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
16:18:55 AND THIS ALSO WENT BACK TO ONE OF THE STATEMENTS THAT
16:19:02 WAS MADE BY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION AS TO HOW
16:19:04 COME WE DON'T HAVE MIXED USE.
16:19:06 WHAT ARE OUR MINIMUMS.
16:19:10 I THINK WE HAVE SEEN PROJECTS WHERE YOU HAVE 200,000
16:19:14 SQUARE FEET OF RESIDENTIAL AND 400 SQUARE FEET OF
16:19:17 NONRESIDENTIAL AND CALLING THEMSELVES MIXED USE.
16:19:21 AND I THINK COUNCIL MAYBE EVEN TURNED DOWN ONE OF THOSE
16:19:24 PROJECTS SAYING THAT IS NOT JUSTIFICATION.
16:19:25 THAT IS NOT REAL MIXED USE.
16:19:29 THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR.
16:19:34 SO IN AN EFFORT TO STILL ALLOW MIXED USE THROUGHOUT THE
16:19:38 CITY BECAUSE IT IS A CRITICAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY
16:19:41 IN ACTUALLY EVALUATING THIS, BECAUSE I HEARD SOME
16:19:44 CHATTER THAT 30% IS A LOT.
16:19:47 I SAID, I WONDER HOW MANY OF THESE PROJECTS WE ACTUALLY
16:19:49 HAVE IN THE CITY.
16:19:51 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A DOZEN.
16:19:54 AND I SPENT LAST EVENING PULLING THAT INFORMATION
16:19:58 TOGETHER FOR YOU AND WE HAVE 13, SO I WAS ONE SHORT.
16:20:02 WE HAVE 13, AND I DO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS TO SHARE WITH
16:20:05 YOU IN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT -- HOW MUCH DO WE REALLY
16:20:06 HAVE OF THOSE 13.
16:20:08 WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE.
16:20:14 AND THE INTENT OF THIS IS THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES INTO
16:20:17 COUNCIL STILL ELECTING OR DESIRING TO USE THAT MIXED
16:20:21 USE OPTION UNDER THE F.A.R. BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE MIXED
16:20:21 USE.
16:20:23 MIXED USE PROJECTS ALLOW PEOPLE TO WALK.
16:20:26 IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO BIKE TO PLACES.
16:20:28 AND GET NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING USES.
16:20:32 IT ALSO ALLOWS TRIPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, LET'S SAY,
16:20:39 TRAVELING FROM DOWN OFF OF MAYBE PEARL OR INNER BAY AND
16:20:43 WEST SHORE TO STOP HAVING TO GO ALL THE WAY TO GANDY
16:20:48 AND MANHATTAN TO GO TO PUBLIX.
16:20:51 IF WE CAN GET OTHER MIXED USES IN THE AREA THAT WILL
16:20:54 DIVERT TRIPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY MAKING LONGER TRIP
16:20:57 DURATION TO GET TO THOSE USES.
16:21:01 SOME IN LOOKING AT THAT, WHAT IS PROPOSED HERE IS A
16:21:05 BASELINE, AN OPENING TO SAY THAT IF THE MIXED USE
16:21:09 DEVELOPMENT IS STILL ON THE TABLE THROUGH AN F.A.R.,
16:21:14 THAT WE WOULD PUT A MINIMUM IN TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE
16:21:18 GETTING SUBSTANTIAL MIXED USE AND WE ARE GETTING
16:21:21 NONRESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE ACTUALLY FULFILLING THE
16:21:23 INTENT OF THAT CATEGORY.
16:21:26 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
16:21:30 JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DATA WE LOOKED AT IN
16:21:34 PREPARING AND COMING TO THIS RECOMMENDATION.
16:21:37 THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR CITY PROPERTY IS
16:21:41 ACTUALLY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
16:21:46 THERE ARE 14% OF THE CITY'S LAND AREA THAT IS IN THE
16:21:48 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
16:21:51 INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 14% OF OUR
16:21:57 POPULATION THAT IS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
16:21:59 YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
16:22:04 THIS IS THE PERSONS PER ACRE.
16:22:07 THERE IS A DISCREPANCY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE.
16:22:09 I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
16:22:13 THE PERSONS PER ACRE IN EACH OF THIS -- THIS CAME FROM
16:22:13 THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
16:22:16 IT IS A BREAKDOWN OF OUR SUBAREAS.
16:22:21 AND THE PERSONS PER ACRE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
16:22:23 AREA IN SEARCH OF THESE SUBAREAS.
16:22:28 AND IT GIVES YOU THREE DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS: 2010,
16:22:29 2015, AND 2019.
16:22:32 AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST GO THROUGH
16:22:33 TWO OF THESE.
16:22:37 LET'S PICK RANDOMLY SO THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA HEIGHTS AREA.
16:22:40 YOU CAN SEE THAT BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS BEEN
16:22:45 HAPPENING IN DOWNTOWN AROUND TAMPA HEIGHTS, THAT OUR
16:22:49 PERSONS PER ACRE IN THE CHHA HAS INCREASED FROM 28
16:22:52 PERSONS PER ACRE TO 33.
16:22:56 AND NOW -- NOW IT WENT DOWN 33.53 FOR 2019.
16:22:59 SO WE LOST A PERSON OR TWO THERE.
16:23:03 IN THE RIVERSIDE HEIGHTS AREA, WHEN SOMEBODY MENTIONED
16:23:06 YOU THIS MORNING WITH DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS GOING ON,
16:23:10 WE INCREASED FROM 25.8 PERSONS PER ACRE NOW UP TO
16:23:12 26.37.
16:23:16 IF WE GO TO THE SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA, THIS WOULD BE
16:23:19 FROM SWANN AVENUE SOUTH.
16:23:22 THAT IS HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION GROUPS THESE AREAS.
16:23:28 SINCE 2010, THE PERSONS PER ACRE HAS INCREASED, BUT IT
16:23:35 IS ONLY BEEN A MINIMAL INCREASE FROM 14.8 TO 15.84 IN
16:23:38 THE LAST TEN YEARS.
16:23:42 SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT GIVE US AN IDEA OF
16:23:48 THAT 14% OF OUR POPULATION WITHIN THE CH HA WHERE THEY
16:23:48 ARE.
16:23:51 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
16:23:55 THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES
16:23:59 WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
16:24:02 WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ANALYZE AND LOOK AT THE
16:24:04 DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
16:24:07 WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT NOW FROM SOUTH OF BAY TO BAY
16:24:12 WITHIN BOTH THE CHHA AND AS A TOTAL AREA.
16:24:17 WE LOOKED AT THE CHHA FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
16:24:20 THERE IS A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS THAT NEED TO GO INTO
16:24:23 UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
16:24:25 WE HAVE LOOKED AT TAKING OUT EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN
16:24:28 DEVELOPED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS AS THOSE THINGS
16:24:31 PROBABLY WILL NOT BE REDEVELOPED FOR ANOTHER 30 TO 40
16:24:33 YEARS.
16:24:40 AND THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY LOOKS TO
16:24:50 REDUCE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL BY ROUGHLY 42% IF WE
16:24:57 GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
16:24:59 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
16:25:01 SO HOW WOULD THIS APPLY?
16:25:04 WHAT ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHEN I AM TALKING
16:25:06 ABOUT THESE NUMBERS?
16:25:10 AND I -- I CAN RUN SOME EXAMPLES WITH YOU OR WE CAN
16:25:11 TALK THROUGH.
16:25:17 BUT BASICALLY ON AN ACRE OF LAND, IN THE CMU-35, WHICH
16:25:22 HAS AN F.A.R. OF 1, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF A
16:25:25 BUILDING WITH 43,560 SQUARE FEET.
16:25:29 IN THIS LAND USE CATEGORY, SINCE YOU ARE GIVEN THE
16:25:33 RIGHT FOR RESIDENTIAL TO USE EITHER THE INTENSITY OR
16:25:38 THE DENSITY, WHICHEVER IS MORE ADVANTAGEOUS.
16:25:42 IF I USE THE 43,560 AND SAY I AM GOING TO BUILD
16:25:45 APARTMENTS THAT ARE ROUGHLY 1,000 SQUARE FOOT, I CAN
16:25:47 HAVE 43 UNITS.
16:25:51 BUT IF I HAVE TO USE THE DENSITY, I ONLY GET 30 UNITS.
16:25:56 SO I AM POTENTIALLY GETTING 13 MORE UNITS WITH THE SAME
16:25:58 PIECE OF PROPERTY.
16:26:00 AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING HAPPENING
16:26:06 DOWN THERE ON AN 18-ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, COULD YOU
16:26:11 HAVE 540 UNITS AND YOU CAN GET REALLY UP TO 748 UNITS
16:26:15 WHEN YOU USE THE F.A.R.
16:26:20 SO THIS AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION ON -- IN THIS
16:26:23 LAND USE CATEGORY, THIS SHOWS POTENTIAL OF 30%
16:26:26 REDUCTION OF ALLOWABLE UNITS.
16:26:32 BUT IT STILL MEETS THE INTENT OF THAT CMU-35 LAND USE
16:26:35 CATEGORY, WHICH THE FUTURE LAND USE ESTABLISHES.
16:26:40 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
16:26:45 IN RELATION TO THE UMU-60, SO THIS -- SOME PEOPLE HAVE
16:26:47 ASKED ME, WHAT ABOUT THE MACY'S PIECE?
16:26:51 THE MACY'S PIECE JUST SOLD IN THE BUSINESS JOURNAL.
16:26:53 39 ACRES.
16:26:55 39 ACRES OF UMU-60.
16:27:03 IN THE UMU-60, AT AN A F.A.R. OF TWO AND A HALF, HAS A
16:27:06 POTENTIAL OF 4.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
16:27:11 IF YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 1,000, THAT IS 4200 UNITS.
16:27:16 IF YOU CAP -- 4200 UNITS.
16:27:20 AND YOU CAP IT AND PACE DENSITY, IT IS 1950 UNITS.
16:27:24 SO THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE IN THAT CASE OF 54%
16:27:30 REDUCTION IN THE ALLOWABLE UNITS -- SHALL I SAY THE
16:27:33 DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THAT PROPERTY.
16:27:38 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
16:27:41 I WILL TURN IT OVER TO RANDY TO TALK ABOUT THE PLANNED
16:27:44 STUDIES THAT ARE COMING UP IN THIS AREA AND HOW THIS
16:27:47 IMPACTS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
16:27:52 >>RANDY GOERS: HELLO, COUNCIL, RANDY GOERS WITH THE
16:27:53 CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
16:27:57 WE MENTIONED THESE IN PAST MEETINGS OF THE PLANS WE
16:28:01 HAVE CURRENTLY READY TO GO OR WAITING TO START.
16:28:04 FIRST IS THE UPDATE OF THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT STRATEGY.
16:28:08 LET ME PREFACE THAT BY SAYING LAST TIME WE MET, WE
16:28:12 TALKED ABOUT WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE STATE ON A GRANT
16:28:17 APPLICATION THAT WE HAD APPLIED FOR $500,000 GRANT
16:28:20 APPLICATION TO LOOK AT GROWTH IN THE COASTAL HIGH
16:28:24 HAZARD AREA, THE HURRICANE A AND B ZONES, AND THE
16:28:27 COMMUNITIES OF SOUTH OF GANDY AND PALMETTO BEACH.
16:28:28 WE RECEIVED THAT AWARD.
16:28:30 WE RECEIVED NOTICE OF THE AWARD.
16:28:32 WE ARE STILL WAITING TO RECEIVE THE CONTRACT FROM THE
16:28:34 STATE SO WE CAN BEGIN.
16:28:36 PART OF THIS -- PART OF THAT FUNDING WILL BE USED TO
16:28:39 UPDATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH REGARDS TO THE
16:28:44 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA ASSURING WE MEET ALL OF THE
16:28:47 REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE LAW, AND ALSO CLARIFYING THE
16:28:51 LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE
16:28:53 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
16:28:58 WE ALSO WILL BE REVISING THE MIXED USE PLAN CATEGORY,
16:29:01 CLARIFYING AGAIN WHAT REALLY IS MIXED USE AND HOW
16:29:04 SHOULD IT APPLY TO OUR CITY MOVING FORWARD.
16:29:06 WE ARE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
16:29:08 THEY HAVE JUST STARTED THAT STUDY.
16:29:11 WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FINISHED IN MAY.
16:29:14 AS JOHN MENTIONED EARLIER, THE HURRICANE EVACUATION
16:29:19 STUDY IS BEING UPDATED BY THE TAMPA BAY REGIONAL
16:29:19 PLANNING COUNCIL.
16:29:21 THEY WILL BE FINISHED IN JUNE.
16:29:24 WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THEM TO LOOK AT THE
16:29:27 RECOMMENDATIONS AND BEGIN INCORPORATING --
16:29:29 INCORPORATING ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S WE
16:29:33 COULD INTO OUR LONG-RANGE PLAN.
16:29:36 ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, WE WILL BE STARTING THE COMMUNITY
16:29:40 PLAN FOR PALMETTO BEACH AND SOUTH OF GANDY, AS SOON AS
16:29:43 WE GET THE AWARD FROM THE STATE.
16:29:47 WE CAN BEGIN LOOKING FOR CONSULTANTS.
16:29:50 ONE STUDY -- I FORGET TO PUT IT ON HERE AND KIND OF
16:29:54 PRECIPITATED MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION IN OCTOBER WAS THE
16:29:57 IDEA OF WHERE SHOULD GROWTH BE ENCOURAGED AND WHERE
16:30:00 SHOULD WE BEGIN LOOKING AT MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL
16:30:02 CONTROLS LOOKING AT THE CITY VISION.
16:30:04 WE ARE WORKING WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
16:30:07 AND AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND
16:30:10 OUR DEPARTMENT WILL BE ANNOUNCING COMMUNITY MEETINGS
16:30:17 THAT WILL START -- AREA-WIDE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN THE
16:30:20 CITY THAT WILL START TO LOOK AT THE CITY-WIDE VISION
16:30:23 AND UPDATING THE VISION BY THE END OF SUMMER AND WILL
16:30:28 ROLL INTO THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
16:30:33 NEXT SLIDE.
16:30:35 >> THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR THAT INPUT.
16:30:39 LET ME SUMMARIZE AND THEN TURN BACK TO COUNCIL FOR
16:30:40 DISCUSSION.
16:30:44 REALLY THREE ELEMENTS HERE THAT WERE RESPONSIVE TO THE
16:30:46 MOTION AS PROPOSED.
16:30:50 THE FIRST GIVES A MORE BROAD SCOPE TO THE DESIGNATED
16:30:55 AREA IN TERMS OF INCORPORATING THE ENTIRE COASTAL HIGH
16:31:01 HAZARD AREA AND THAT IS MEANT TO OVERCOME CONSTRAINTS
16:31:06 TO THE LESS ARBITRARY AREA SUBJECT TO THE MORATORIUM.
16:31:11 THE OTHER TWO ELEMENTS AS ABBYE DESCRIBED.
16:31:15 ONE SUSPENDING RELEASE OF THE F.A.R. THAT WILL
16:31:18 SUBSTANTIALLY DECREASE THE USE OF NEW DWELLING UNITS
16:31:21 BUT ABLE BUILDING TO CONTINUE.
16:31:25 AND WE THINK IT CREATES A BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE WHO
16:31:27 MAKE INVESTMENTS IN PROPERTY, ALLOW THEM TO BUILD TO
16:31:32 BASE, AND NOT ABLE TO TAKE THAT EXCEPTIONAL EXTRA STEP
16:31:36 WE BELIEVE RESULTING IN THE PERCEPTIONS OF EXCESS
16:31:37 DENSITY IN THE AREA.
16:31:43 AND THEN THAT LAST PIECE AROUND AGAINST CREATING AND
16:31:46 ESTABLISHING A MIXED STANDARD WHICH WE HAVE NOT
16:31:49 PREVIOUSLY HAD FOR WHAT DEFINES MIXED USE.
16:31:52 AND THAT GOES TO THE POINT OF WHEN THINGS ARE
16:31:55 DEVELOPED, THEY ARE AT A CERTAIN POINT IF YOU ARE
16:31:59 GETTING THE BENEFITS OF APPLYING TO THE MIXED USE
16:32:00 CAPACITY.
16:32:03 YOU MUST ALSO BRING IN ELEMENTS THAT SERVE THAT --
16:32:07 THOSE ADDED HEADS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT IS
16:32:12 RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, SHOPPING OR WHATNOT, BEING ABLE TO
16:32:14 ESTABLISH THAT THERE IS A NECESSITY TO SORT OF
16:32:19 COUNTERWEIGHT THE ADDITION OF DWELLING UNITS TO BRING
16:32:22 SERVICES THAT PROVIDE AN OFFSET FOR THEM.
16:32:25 SO WITH THAT, WE WILL CONCLUDE, AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO
16:32:27 TAKE QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.
16:32:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:32:29 LET'S DO THIS.
16:32:32 WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE REGISTERED FOR PUBLIC
16:32:33 COMMENT.
16:32:36 LET THEM SPEAK, AND WE WILL HEAR WHAT THEY SAY.
16:32:39 HEAR ALL THE EVIDENCE AND WHATNOT AND GO TO COUNCIL
16:32:39 DISCUSSION.
16:32:45 SO WE HAVE 18 REGISTERED PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
16:32:50 MADAM CLERK, IF YOU HAVE THEM ALL LOGGED IN, WE CAN
16:32:55 START WITH THAT.
16:32:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY HERE.
16:33:02 I CONFIRM THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO
16:33:03 SPEAK LIVE.
16:33:07 SO THAT -- THAT AREA IS NOW NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
16:33:08 BECAUSE THERE IS NOBODY THERE.
16:33:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
16:33:10 NO SPEAKERS IN PERSON.
16:33:15 WE CAN BEGIN THE REGISTERED VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.
16:33:17 MADAM CLERK, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD.
16:33:21 >>CLERK: JEAN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE.
16:33:24 UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
16:33:27 >> JEAN STROHMYER.
16:33:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
16:33:31 >> JEEZ, I WASN'T ON DECK.
16:33:33 HOW ARE YOU ALL TODAY.
16:33:34 OKAY.
16:33:35 I AM ABOUT READY.
16:33:38 AND IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY AGAIN.
16:33:39 BUT AT LEAST WE ARE NOT INTO THE NIGHT.
16:33:41 I AM READY NOW.
16:33:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
16:33:44 >> HI, I CAN'T SEE YOU GUYS.
16:33:48 BUT I AM JEAN STROHMYER, PRESIDENT OF GANDY CIVIC
16:33:49 ASSOCIATION.
16:33:52 I'M HERE TO TALK OF THE PROPOSED MORATORIUM OR
16:33:55 ABATEMENT OF BUILDING MEGA APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE
16:33:57 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
16:34:03 THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES SOUTH TAMPA, OUR
16:34:06 PENINSULA, SHOULD HAVE THE LOWEST GROWTH AND SHOULD BE
16:34:08 REMAIN STABLE AND UNCHANGED.
16:34:11 WE WERE SHOWED A POWERPOINT OF SHOWING THE POPULATION
16:34:14 OF SOUTH TAMPA BEING LOW BUT NOT THE GROWTH RATE OF
16:34:14 POPULATION.
16:34:17 THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECENTLY PRODUCED FOUR TABLES
16:34:19 SHOWING GROWTH IN THE CITY'S 11 SUBAREAS.
16:34:21 INSTEAD OF BEING AT THE BOTTOM.
16:34:25 WE WERE THIRD HIGHEST IN THREE OF THE TABLES.
16:34:26 SECOND IN THE OTHER.
16:34:29 I HAVE TESTIFIED BEFORE ABOUT OUR ROADS THAT FALL BELOW
16:34:35 THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE DEFINED BY THOSE MOMENTS
16:34:41 MANEUVERABILITY IS LIMITED AND DRIVERS SUFFER
16:34:43 DISCOMFORT AKA ROAD RAGE.
16:34:46 WHEN WE BRING UP ROADS AND TRAFFIC, WE ARE IN THE
16:34:49 TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION AREA AND INSTEAD OF
16:34:52 FIGURING OUT A SOLUTION, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT TCA IS
16:34:54 THE SOLUTION AND LIVE WITH OUR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS.
16:34:55 HANDS WASHED.
16:34:58 PROBLEMS SOLVED.
16:35:02 THE CITY -- INSTEAD OF BIG PICTURE PLANNING, WE HAVE
16:35:05 TUNNEL VISION PLANNING ONE ISOLATED PARCEL AT THE TIME.
16:35:09 UNLIKE DOWNTOWN WHERE IT WAS PLANNED OUT AND EXECUTED
16:35:10 WITH PRECISION.
16:35:12 ONE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THE OVERBUILDING AND
16:35:16 OVERPOPULATING IS WE CAN'T EVACUATE SAFELY.
16:35:20 THE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES SHOW US TAXPAYERS FOOT THE
16:35:21 BILL FOR MILLIONS OF IMPROVEMENTS.
16:35:24 THE NEW RESIDENTS ARE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE
16:35:27 BECAUSE OF LOW IMPACT FEES NOT RAISED IN 20 YEARS.
16:35:32 THE VILLAGE'S GROWTH OUTSTRIPPED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND
16:35:35 COMMISSION RAISED THEIR PROPERTY TAX 26% BECAUSE OF
16:35:38 THAT BEAUTIFUL GROWTH LEFT THEM FLAT BROKE.
16:35:42 THE DEVELOPERS' RESOLUTIONS FOR MITIGATION FOR
16:35:45 EVACUATIONS ARE FEEL GOOD, BUT NOT COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS.
16:35:48 THEIR SOLUTIONS ARE TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES
16:35:51 WITH BUSES TO SHELTERS WHICH IS ABSURD BECAUSE THOSE
16:35:53 PEOPLE WON'T TAKE BUSES.
16:35:55 THEY WILL DRIVE THEIR MULTIPLE CARS WITH THEIR STUFF
16:35:58 AND GO TO HOTELS AND NOT SHELTERS.
16:36:02 BUT THE RESIDENTS SOUTH AND FLY OVER SOG WILL NEED
16:36:05 THOSE BUSES THOSE PEOPLE DON'T USE.
16:36:07 THEN WHAT ABOUT CLEAN DRINKING WATER.
16:36:09 DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE?
16:36:11 ALL THE NEW RESIDENTS HAVE NOT PAID AND ARE NOT BEING
16:36:15 ASKED TO PAY FOR THE WATER BURDEN THE CITY SAYS WE
16:36:15 HAVE.
16:36:18 SEE ITEM NUMBER 59 ON THE AGENDA WHERE WE ARE TOLD AND
16:36:21 ASKED TO PAY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SO WE CAN DRINK TOILET
16:36:23 WATER.
16:36:27 WE ARE TIRED OF THE CARPETBAGGERS COMING IN OUR
16:36:29 NEIGHBORHOOD, SUING FOR A REZONING, AND LEAVE WITH
16:36:32 THEIR POCKETS FULL, AND WE ARE LEFT TO DEAL WITH THE
16:36:34 CONSEQUENCES TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
16:36:38 WE KNOW WE ARE LIMITED BY THE COMP PLAN, ALL BARK AND
16:36:39 NO BITE.
16:36:41 THIS SUBSTITUTE MOTION IS NOT WHAT WE EXPECTED AND
16:36:47 APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT ABBYE, RANDY AND CITY
16:36:48 COUNCIL HAS DONE.
16:36:50 THIS --
16:36:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:36:58 NEXT UP WE HAVE MICHAEL FANNING, KALI DENAULT AND SHAWN
16:37:00 BROWN.
16:37:02 >>CLERK: NR. CHAIR, MICHAEL FANNING DID REGISTER BUT
16:37:04 DID NOT PHONE IN TO PARTICIPATE.
16:37:09 THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KALI DENAULT.
16:37:13 IF YOU ARE ON LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
16:37:18 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, KALI DENAULT, AND I AM PRESIDENT OF
16:37:19 THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
16:37:22 AND AS WE CAN SEE FROM THE HURRICANE EVACUATION PLAN,
16:37:25 PEOPLE USING FEW ROADWAYS IN THE EVENT OF A EVACUATION.
16:37:29 I CAN'T FEEL WE CAN SAFELY LEAVE SOUTH TAMPA WHEN WE
16:37:30 NEED TO.
16:37:34 COUNTY HAD EVACUATION OF 28 HOURS FOR A CAT 5 STORM.
16:37:38 HAD WE NOT DONE THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED 16 HOURS, BUT
16:37:43 THE STUDY SHOWS 55 HOURS ALMOST DOUBLE THE REQUIREMENT.
16:37:46 AND TAMPA HAS EXPERIENCED A SURGE OF APARTMENT
16:37:47 COMPLEXES SINCE 2016.
16:37:52 AND AS POINTED OUT, MOST OF SOUTH TAMPA IN A AND B IN
16:37:54 THE COASTAL PLANNING AREA.
16:37:57 SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTS ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY UNIQUE.
16:38:01 THE LOWEST LEVEL OF EVACUATION IS PROBLEMATIC.
16:38:03 WE COULD WEATHER OUT THE STORMS IN OUR CARS.
16:38:08 EXPERTS SAY IF TROPICAL STORM ETA FORMED IT COULD HAVE
16:38:13 BEEN A DISASTER OR A CATASTROPHE EVEN THOUGH IT MADE
16:38:15 LANDFALL 130 MILES AWAY.
16:38:18 AND NATIONWIDE, HIGHEST RISK OF PROPERTIES FOR
16:38:20 SUBSTANTIAL RISK FOR FLOODING.
16:38:23 WITH REDUCTION OF THE SELMON EXTENSION, INTERSECTION
16:38:30 WEST SHORE AND GANDY AND MANHATTAN AND GANDY FALL BELOW
16:38:33 THE LEVELS OF SERVICE DURING PEAK HOURS.
16:38:38 PORTIONS OF MANDRILL, BAYSHORE, WEST SHORE AND GANDY
16:38:39 ARE FAILED ROADWAYS.
16:38:43 THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS THIS -- TRAFFIC STUDIES OF THREE
16:38:47 REZONINGS OF THE NEW APARTMENTS WILL GENERATE AN EXTRA
16:38:51 5665 CAR TRIPS A DAY AND $6 MILLION OF ROAD
16:38:54 IMPROVEMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE BUT THE BUILDERS ONLY
16:38:55 HAVE TO PAY A FRACTION OF THE COST.
16:39:00 THE 2016 FLOODABILITY REQUIRES CITY TO ADOPT GOALS,
16:39:03 OBJECTIVES, POLICIES AND STRATEGIES INTO THE COASTAL
16:39:06 MANAGEMENT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
16:39:08 TAMPA HAS APPLIED WITH THE LETTER OF THE LAW BUT NOT
16:39:10 THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW.
16:39:12 EXACT WORDING FROM THAT LAW WAS ADDED TO THE COMP PLAN.
16:39:15 NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE OF HOW REZONINGS ARE
16:39:16 EVALUATED.
16:39:19 THE GOALS OF COASTAL MANAGEMENT IS NOT PART WHETHER A
16:39:23 ZONING IS CONSISTENT OR INCONSISTENT TO THE COMP PLAN.
16:39:28 A LACK OF EVACUATION TIMES CONTRADICT THE SPIRIT OF THE
16:39:32 FLOOD ACT WHICH TIES THE REGIONAL EVACUATION STUDIES TO
16:39:33 GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
16:39:36 THE STATE'S INTENT IS PERFECTLY CLEAR.
16:39:38 FLORIDA LAW REQUIRES US TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF
16:39:40 GROWTH ON EVACUATION TIMES.
16:39:43 HOPEFULLY THE UPCOMING REPORTS CAN MAKE TAMPA A CITY
16:39:46 THAT CAN EVACUATE SAFELY AND PUT POWER WHERE IT BELONGS
16:39:49 WITH THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS AND TAKING THE POWER
16:39:51 AWAY FROM SPECULATORS WHOSE CONCERN.
16:39:56 WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF ABBYE AND RANDY, AND I
16:39:58 THINK THIS FALLS SHORT AND ASK YOU TO APPROVE THE
16:40:02 SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE THINK IT IS A STEP IN
16:40:02 THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
16:40:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHAWN BROWN, STEPHANIE POYNOR.
16:40:08 >>CLERK: SHAWN, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE.
16:40:09 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
16:40:11 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
16:40:12 >> CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME?
16:40:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
16:40:16 GO AHEAD.
16:40:18 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEN.
16:40:21 SHAWN BROWN, PRESIDENT OF THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
16:40:25 TODAY IS THE DAY TO TAKE TAMPA ONE STEP FORWARD OR
16:40:28 BACKWARDS FIXING WHAT HAS BEEN FLAWED SINCE DAY ONE,
16:40:31 THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
16:40:35 ADOPTED IN 2006, IT HAS ANGERED MANY OF WHAT WILL MOVE
16:40:39 FORWARD WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS AND ACCOUNTING FOR
16:40:40 SAFETY AND PRACTICALITY.
16:40:44 TAMPA HAS EXPONENTIAL GROWTH AND TRENDS SHOW IT NOT
16:40:46 ABATING ANY TIME SOON.
16:40:49 MOST WILL NOT FORGET THAT THE MAJOR HURRICANE THAT HIT
16:40:52 DIRECTLY OCTOBER 25, 1921.
16:40:54 IT IS 2021.
16:40:56 NEARLY 100 YEARS AGO SINCE THIS AREA HAS BEEN HIT.
16:41:01 IN THAT TIME, MANY DEVASTATING HURRICANES HAVE HIT
16:41:02 SIMILAR REASONS.
16:41:06 HOUSTON, HURRICANE HARVEY HIT AND KILLED 103 PEOPLE.
16:41:09 NEW ORLEANS IN 2005, HURRICANE KATRINA KILLED 1833
16:41:11 PEOPLE.
16:41:14 IN LAKE CHARLES JUST LAST YEAR, HURRICANE LAURA KILLED
16:41:15 77 PEOPLE.
16:41:23 IN PUERTO RICO, HURRICANE MARIA KILLED 3057 PEOPLE.
16:41:26 TO BRUSH THESE STATISTICS OFF WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING.
16:41:29 PEOPLE WERE LIVING IN AREAS KNOWN TO BE RISK OF STORM
16:41:32 SURGE AND COULD NOT EVACUATE DUE TO POOR INFRASTRUCTURE
16:41:33 AND PLANNING.
16:41:36 STATISTICS HAVE BEEN SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
16:41:38 FORTUNATELY, THE CITY RECEIVED A GRANT OF EVACUATION
16:41:43 RESPONSE TIME AND INCORPORATED A BETTER PLAN TO
16:41:46 EVACUATE RESIDENTS, TO DEVELOP A NEW COASTAL HIGH
16:41:49 HAZARD MANAGEMENT PLAN AND DEVELOP NEW MIXED USE
16:41:50 STRATEGY.
16:41:53 THIS IS ALL FINE AND WILL GO A LONG WAY REWRITING THE
16:41:54 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
16:41:57 THE SAD THINGS IS, STUDIES TAKE TIME AND DEVELOPMENT OF
16:42:01 POLICIES TAKE LONGER AND IMPLEMENTATION TAKES LONGER
16:42:02 THAN THE PREVIOUS TWO.
16:42:05 IN BETWEEN ALL THAT DEVELOPERS ARE BUYING LAND AND
16:42:09 PROPOSING BUILDING MASSIVE PROJECTS WITH LITTLE
16:42:11 OVERSIGHT AND MANAGEMENT IN DANGEROUS AREAS AND PUTS
16:42:15 PEOPLE IN HARM'S WAY AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN
16:42:18 NEIGHBORHOODS WITH JOBS, OPPORTUNITIES.
16:42:22 WITH ALL THIS THAT BEING SAID A PROPOSAL FOR ONE-YEAR
16:42:22 ABATEMENT.
16:42:26 FAR FROM PERFECT AND NOT WHAT MYSELF AND OTHERS WANTED
16:42:29 AS WE HOPED FOR UNMITIGATED TO BE DRAINED COMPLETELY
16:42:31 FOR ONE YEAR.
16:42:34 BUT ALL GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME AND WHILE THIS PROPOSAL
16:42:38 DOESN'T FULLY ADDRESS THE ADEQUATE ISSUES WITH THE
16:42:42 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS A POSITIVE STEP IN THE
16:42:44 RIGHT DIRECTION TOWARD THE OVERALL GOALS OF PROTECTING
16:42:47 CITIZENS OF TAMPA WHILE ALLOWING FOR SMART GROWTH.
16:42:49 I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT AND ADOPT THIS PLAN.
16:42:52 IN CLOSING, WHILE GROWTH IS INEVITABLE, THE PROBLEM OF
16:42:56 UNMITIGATED GROWTH AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE'S LIVES
16:43:00 COMPROMISING PEOPLE'S INFRASTRUCTURE,
16:43:03 ENTREPRENEURIALSHIP AND QUALITY OF LIFE IS UNFAIR,
16:43:05 IDIOTIC AND DEADLY.
16:43:08 ALL OF US LOVE THE CITY OF TAMPA AND PAY TAXES.
16:43:11 REGARDLESS OF HOW RICH AND POOR SOMEONE IS WE TAKE
16:43:15 STAKE IN TAMPA'S FUTURE MAKING US EQUAL SHAREHOLDERS OF
16:43:15 TAMPA.
16:43:17 THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
16:43:18 APPRECIATE IT.
16:43:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STEPHANIE POYNOR, CARROLL ANN
16:43:22 BENNETT AND JAKE CREMER.
16:43:25 >>CLERK: STEPHANIE, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE PLEASE
16:43:27 UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
16:43:28 >> CAN I GO NEXT?
16:43:31 I AM ON THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY, AND I CAN'T PULL OVER
16:43:34 SAFELY.
16:43:34 PLEASE.
16:43:36 HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME?
16:43:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK TO
16:43:39 YOU?
16:43:42 >> PLEASE SO I CAN PARK.
16:43:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOUNDS GOOD.
16:43:46 CAREOLL ANN BENNETT.
16:43:52 YOU ARE UP AND THEN GO BACK TO STEPHANIE.
16:43:56 >>CLERK: CARROLL ANN, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE
16:44:01 YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
16:44:03 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
16:44:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD.
16:44:10 >> CARROLL ANN BENNETT AND A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF
16:44:11 SOUTH TAMPA.
16:44:14 THE ROADWAYS TODAY ARE ALMOST THE SAME AS I WAS A CHILD
16:44:20 BAYSHORE, WEST SHORE, MANDRILL, HIMES AND MANHATTAN,
16:44:21 ONE LANE.
16:44:24 NOT LONG AGO SOUTH TAMPA, COWS AND PASTURES.
16:44:28 I DOUBT THE CITY PLANNERS COULD EVEN IMAGINE THE
16:44:30 POPULATION WE HAVE NOW.
16:44:33 THE POPULATION CHANGED DRASTICALLY BUT ROADS CHANGED
16:44:35 LITTLE.
16:44:38 LAND USE CATEGORIES DETERMINE DENSITY.
16:44:40 BUILDERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD TO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY
16:44:45 AND NOT A, QUOTE, INCREASE IN POPULATION UNLESS YOU
16:44:47 EXCESS THE LAND USE.
16:44:50 IT IS A OKAY TO MAX OUT EVERY SINGLE PARCEL.
16:44:54 I DO NOT BELIEVE DECADES AGO PLANNERS LOOKED WITH A BIG
16:44:56 MAP AND ALL THE ROADS AND PARCEL AND SAID THIS IS THE
16:44:59 AMOUNT THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN HANDLE, AND LET'S
16:45:02 DIVVY IT UP BETWEEN THE PARCELS.
16:45:04 DOESN'T ANYONE THINKS IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO DEVELOP
16:45:08 EVERY SINGLE PARCEL TO ITS MAXIMUM DENSITY.
16:45:11 NOBODY HAS CALCULATED WHAT THE MAXIMUM SAFETY DENSITY
16:45:13 IS, AND WE BUILD AS IF IT IS LIMITLESS.
16:45:17 APPARENTLY EVERY LANDOWNER HAS A GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO
16:45:21 MAXIMUM DENSITY AND SOME OF GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS TO PASS
16:45:24 THE FALLOUT OF THAT INSANITY TO THE PROFESSIONAL
16:45:26 SOMEONE ELSE.
16:45:30 IT IS SOMEONE ELSE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THE
16:45:33 WATER AND ROADS AND SCHOOLS AND TEACHERS AND POLICE AND
16:45:34 FIRE FIGHTERS.
16:45:36 EVERYONE ELSE MUST PAY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE
16:45:40 EACH PROJECT IS ONE SMALL DROP AND ISN'T OUR FAULT THAT
16:45:41 WE ARE DROWNING.
16:45:44 THE RESULT IS NOT ONLY DO I GET THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING
16:45:49 DROWNED BY THEM, I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WATER THEY DO IT
16:45:50 WITH.
16:45:52 HURRICANE RITA, MORE PEOPLE IN HOUSTON DIED IN THEIR
16:45:55 CARS THAN THE HURRICANE BECAUSE PROFIT CONTROLLED THE
16:45:58 GROWTH INSTEAD OF RESPONSIBLE CITY PLANNING.
16:45:59 HURRICANE HARVEY HIT HOUSTON.
16:46:02 OFFICIALS TOLD EVERYONE TO STAY HOME BECAUSE IT IS NOT
16:46:05 POSSIBLE TO EVACUATE THE CITY AND PEOPLE DIED IN THEIR
16:46:06 FLOODED HOMES.
16:46:10 THE STATE OF FLORIDA SAY YOU MUST NOT BUILD HOUSTON.
16:46:12 YOU MUST BUILD A CITY THAT CAN BE EVACUATED.
16:46:14 AND I DON'T THINK THEY MEAN IT BECAUSE THEY CRIPPLE YOU
16:46:15 WITH THEIR LAWS.
16:46:18 CONSEQUENTLY, FLORIDA WILL BUILD CITIES THAT CANNOT BE
16:46:22 EVACUATED, BUT PEOPLE LIKE ME WILL PAY HIGHER INSURANCE
16:46:25 RATES BECAUSE OF FLOOD DAMAGE AND HIGHER TAXES FOR
16:46:29 DRINKING TOILET WATER AND MAY DIE IN OUR CAR DURING A
16:46:33 HURRICANE AND EVERYONE WILL POINT FINGERS AT EVERYONE
16:46:33 ELSE.
16:46:37 I AM DISAPPOINTED WITH THE COUNTERMOTION.
16:46:40 THE THREE PROJECT WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED LAST YEAR AT
16:46:40 ALL.
16:46:44 THOSE COMPLEXES WILL BE BUILT IN THE CHHA AND
16:46:47 EVACUATION ZONE A AND THAT IS SIMPLY STUPID.
16:46:51 WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF ABBYE AND RANDY AND
16:46:54 LOOKING FOR A LOT MORE IN COMP PLAN.
16:46:58 SUBSTITUTE IS DUE TO THE LITIGIOUSNESS OF DEVELOPERS
16:47:00 AND BETTER THAN NOTHING MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WE HOPED
16:47:01 FOR.
16:47:04 WHAT STEPHANIE WOULD SAY ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE
16:47:06 NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN HEAR
16:47:07 TODAY.
16:47:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:47:11 SOMEONE HERE EARLIER THIS PERSON TO SPEAK AND CAME BACK
16:47:12 AND THEY ARE THERE.
16:47:14 THE ONLY PERSON WE HAVE IN PERSON.
16:47:18 IF WE CAN GO TO THAT PERSON AT THE KIOSK BEFORE WE
16:47:19 CONTINUE WITH THE VIRTUAL.
16:47:20 THERE WE ARE.
16:47:22 ARE YOU NICOLE?
16:47:28 >> NICOLE LYNN, 7603 WIMPY LANE.
16:47:29 HAPPY CITIZEN OF TAMPA.
16:47:31 ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT THIS WEEKEND?
16:47:33 IT IS A BIG WEEKEND FOR TAMPA.
16:47:35 AS YOU NOTED EARLIER TODAY.
16:47:38 WE WILL BE IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT AGAIN FOR THE
16:47:39 SUPER BOWL.
16:47:41 HOW EXCITING IS THAT, RIGHT?
16:47:45 AND WHAT A FABULOUS PROVOCATION THIS MORNING THAT WAS
16:47:48 MENTIONED WHEN OUR OTHER SPORTS TEAMS WERE IDENTIFIED
16:47:52 THAT HAVE BROUGHT SUCH CAMARADERIE TO OUR COMMUNITY IN
16:47:53 HOSTING SUCH TEAMS.
16:47:57 I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHALL ADD THE ROWDIES TO THE LIST
16:48:00 OF THE BUCS, RAYS AND, OF COURSE, THE LIGHTNING THOUGH,
16:48:00 RIGHT.
16:48:04 IF WE WEREN'T A METROPOLITAN AREA, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT WE
16:48:06 WOULD HAVE THOSE TEAMS THAT YOU WERE SO EXCITED ABOUT
16:48:09 TODAY WHEN IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT EARLIER.
16:48:12 I RECALL ATTENDING FOOTBALL GAMES IN THE OLD SOMBRERO
16:48:14 WITH MY GRANDFATHER.
16:48:18 YOU SEE BOTH MY GRANDPARENTS SPENT TIME IN THE AIR
16:48:22 FORCE AND RAISED SIX BOYS IN SOUTH TAMPA, IN FACT.
16:48:25 MY FATHER WAS THE FIRST THAT WENT TO ROBINSON HIGH
16:48:28 SCHOOL AND EACH FOLLOWED SUIT SERVING IN THE NAVY WHILE
16:48:29 KEEPING OUR ROOTS HERE.
16:48:32 I CAN TELL YOU AS A LONG-TIME RESIDENT OF TAMPA BEING A
16:48:35 PLACE I GROWN UP, MARRIED, RAISED MY KIDS AND ARE
16:48:40 ENJOYING MY GRANDKIDS THAT I -- WE WERE PROMISED THE
16:48:42 CONTINUED GROWTH OF THIS CITY.
16:48:46 IN FACT, WE HAVE A FUTURE GROWTH PLANNING TOOL THAT IS
16:48:49 USED TO MAP OUT THE DIRECTION OF THAT GROWTH.
16:48:51 SO TODAY, YOU ARE LOOKING TO TAKE THAT PROMISE AWAY
16:48:54 FROM ME, FROM US AND THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN OUR CITY
16:48:57 GROWING UP AND MAKING THAT DECISION TO MOVE HERE.
16:49:01 ARE YOU REALLY INTENT ON TAKING THAT LIVE, WORK, PLAY
16:49:04 COMMUNITY THAT CAN TRULY CONTINUE TO BECOME A WAY?
16:49:08 AND ARE YOU LOOKING TO TAKE AWAY MY LIVELIHOOD.
16:49:11 YOU SEE I HAVE BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY FOR NEARLY TWO
16:49:13 DECADES ON IMPROVING OUR CITY.
16:49:16 SPECIFICALLY WORKING IN AREAS THAT ARE BLIGHTED TO TURN
16:49:17 THEM AROUND.
16:49:21 AND ONCE THEY ARE DONE, THEN THEY ARE HIGHLY PRAISED.
16:49:25 TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, A WATERFRONT AREA OF OUR CITY IF
16:49:27 YOU CAN TURN ON THE ELMO --
16:49:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S ON.
16:49:30 >> THAT HAS TRUE POTENTIAL.
16:49:31 A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH.
16:49:35 YOU HAVE TO WORK IT ON THE GRINDSTONE AND SHINE IT UP.
16:49:37 YOU HAVE TO PUT EFFORT INTO IT EVEN THOUGH IT IS
16:49:39 LOCATED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
16:49:42 WE CAN AND MUST FIND A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE REAL
16:49:45 THAT PROMISE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT WAS MADE TO US.
16:49:50 TO DO SO, WE, I, LITERALLY, ENGINEER, PROJECT TO MEET
16:49:52 PARAMETERS OF CODE DO SO.
16:49:53 LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
16:49:57 A PICTURE OF THAT AREA THAT WAS BLIGHTED FOR MANY, MANY
16:50:01 YEARS, TRANSFORMED TO A NICE WALKING PATH.
16:50:04 THE TAMPA BAY FRIENDSHIP TRIAL IN FACT OPENED TO THE
16:50:09 PUBLIC IN A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO ENJOY THE BAY AND SUNSETS
16:50:10 WE COULDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
16:50:12 FYI, THIS LOOKING NORTH.
16:50:15 FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS WAS TAKEN AT NEARLY 8 A.M.
16:50:18 THIS MORNING ON A WEEKDAY AND NO TRAFFIC LINED UP ON
16:50:19 GANDY.
16:50:21 FORGOTTEN INFRASTRUCTURE?
16:50:24 IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE ARE PROJECTS
16:50:27 THAT ARE PLACED ON AN INDEFINITE HOLD?
16:50:32 OR THE CREATION OF PLACES THAT ARE ENJOYABLE.
16:50:33 ATTRACTIVE.
16:50:37 MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS AND ENCOURAGE THAT LIVE, WORK
16:50:38 AND PLAY ATMOSPHERE.
16:50:40 IT IS COMING, THANKS GOODNESS.
16:50:43 SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU DON'T WANT UNUSED LAND AREAS THAT
16:50:46 DO NOTHING TO ALLOW PUBLIC ACCESS NOR ARE THEY
16:50:48 INVITING?
16:50:51 BUT POTENTIAL TO DO SO NOW THAT THIS IS A PLACE WE
16:50:52 WOULD LIKE TO BE.
16:50:56 AND GUESS WHAT, IT IS ON THE WATERFRONT, AND IT CAN BE
16:50:58 CONSTRUCTED TO MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE
16:51:01 SPECIFICALLY TALKING OF ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS TO
16:51:04 MEET THE PROJECTS TO BUILD IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
16:51:07 AREA AND INCLUDED IN THE EVALUATION COMPLETED TO BE
16:51:08 IDENTIFIED ON OUR FUTURE MAP.
16:51:09 LAND USE.
16:51:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:51:13 >> OH, BY THE WAY TRAFFIC, WEST SHORE BOULEVARD AT 8
16:51:17 A.M. THIS MORNING AND NO TRAFFIC.
16:51:20 AND CONSTRUCTION IS MOVING FORWARD AND THERE IS NO
16:51:21 BACKUP OF TRAFFIC AT 8 A.M.
16:51:23 THIS IS FROM THIS MORNING.
16:51:27 A NORMAL WEEKDAY, NOT A HOLIDAY WEEK.
16:51:31 HOW DO YOU GET OUT WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY?
16:51:33 INITIATE THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND ANNOUNCEMENT
16:51:37 AND DONE IN STAGES AND HENCE THE HURRICANE EVACUATION
16:51:41 PLAN YOU JUST RECEIVED A PRESENTATION ON.
16:51:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:51:43 >> THANK YOU.
16:51:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BACK TO THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.
16:51:47 STEPHANIE POYNOR.
16:51:50 >>CLERK: STEPHANIE, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE UNMUTE
16:51:52 YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
16:51:53 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
16:51:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
16:51:57 ARE YOU SAFELY PARKED.
16:51:59 >> YES, MA'AM -- YES, SIR, I AM PARKED.
16:52:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
16:52:03 >> FIRST OF ALL I NEED TO SAY MANDRILL AIR FORCE BASE
16:52:06 IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 25%.
16:52:07 SO OF COURSE THERE IS NO TRAFFIC.
16:52:10 ANYWAY, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR AND THE VICE
16:52:11 PRESIDENT OF THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
16:52:15 AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU HOW THIS INVASION OF
16:52:18 MONSTER APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE COMPLETELY CHANGED THE
16:52:19 CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
16:52:24 THE AREA THAT IS SOUTH OF GANDY AND WEST OF DALE MABRY
16:52:27 HAS 5539 HOMES.
16:52:32 IN FOUR YEARS, 3500 APARTMENTS HAVE BEEN BUILT OR HAVE
16:52:35 BEEN APPROVED TO BE BUILT.
16:52:37 DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS?
16:52:42 OUR DWELLING UNITS HAVE INCREASED BY 63%.
16:52:50 HOW CAN 63% GROWTH -- BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN,
16:52:52 WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IS THE LOWEST
16:52:55 GROWTH RATE IN THE WHOLE CITY.
16:52:58 AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS MORE COMING UP FOR APPROVAL IN
16:52:58 THE NEXT YEAR.
16:53:00 BUT WAIT, THIS GETS WORSE.
16:53:03 WE ARE ON TRACK TO DOUBLE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S
16:53:04 POPULATION.
16:53:06 THE CITY HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED THE CHARACTER OF OUR
16:53:09 NEIGHBORHOOD, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FROM GONE FROM BEING
16:53:14 AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY TO BEING LESS THAN HALF OF THE
16:53:15 PIE.
16:53:19 WE ARE 80% SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FOUR YEARS AGO.
16:53:24 THAT IS A -- A VERY DISTINCTIVE IDENTITY, BUT NOW WITH
16:53:27 THESE NEW APARTMENTS, ONLY 48% OF THE RESIDENTS IN OUR
16:53:29 NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
16:53:33 IN FOUR YEARS, THE CITY HAS ALLOWED TO COMPLETELY
16:53:36 TRANSFORMATION OF SOG.
16:53:39 A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE COMP PLAN SAYS AND I QUOTE, IS
16:53:42 AN ESTABLISHED AREA THAT SHOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED AND
16:53:43 STABLE.
16:53:45 THERE IS NOTHING UNCHANGED OR STABLE ABOUT OUR
16:53:46 NEIGHBORHOOD.
16:53:48 HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
16:53:51 THE SAME WAY YOU FILL AN OCEAN, ONE DROP AT A TIME.
16:53:55 AND I WANT TO YOU KNOW WHO WE, THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP
16:53:57 COMING TO THESE MEETINGS, REPRESENT.
16:54:01 THERE ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE STANDING BEHIND
16:54:02 EACH OF US.
16:54:05 THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT, THE INCONVENIENCE AND
16:54:09 THE FRUSTRATION, THE OBSTACLE AND LEARNING CURVE TRYING
16:54:11 TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD IS STAGGERING NOT TO MENTION
16:54:13 EXHAUSTING.
16:54:17 WE ARE ONLY A TINY FRACTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO DEEPLY
16:54:21 CARE AND UPSET AND DISCOURAGED BY THE RECKLESS GROWTH
16:54:25 THAT WE MUST DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.
16:54:28 WE CAN WRITE AND CALL AND ATTEND MEETING WITH STAFF AND
16:54:29 CITY COUNCIL.
16:54:33 EVERY TIME I GO IN PUBLIC WEARING MY STOP OVER BUILDING
16:54:38 SOG T-SHIRTS I AM EMBRACED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET,
16:54:43 WORRIED AND PLAIN OL' PISSED OFF AND I CAN ASSURE YOU
16:54:47 DON'T HAVE TO TIME TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THOSE AFRAID AND
16:54:50 ANGRY HAPPENING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THEIR
16:54:50 NEIGHBORHOOD.
16:54:55 WHEN YOU MAKE THE GARGANTUAN, I WANT TO YOU IMAGINE THE
16:54:56 MOB STANDING BEHIND US.
16:54:59 THE STAFF PROPOSAL WITH WAY LESS THAN WE NEED BUT
16:55:02 BETTER THAN NOTHING AND WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF
16:55:04 THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
16:55:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
16:55:10 >> PLEASE PASS THE TEMPORARY ABATEMENT.
16:55:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP IS JAKE CREMER, JOHN LUM.
16:55:17 >>CLERK: JAKE, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE.
16:55:18 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
16:55:20 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
16:55:22 >> COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD AFTERNOON -- I GUESS GOOD
16:55:26 EVENING BY THIS POINT.
16:55:30 JAKE CREMER, STEARNS WEAVER MILLER, EAST JACKSON
16:55:30 STREET.
16:55:33 YOU WILL DECIDE WHETHER WE ARE KNOWN AS A COMMUNITY
16:55:35 THAT IS OPEN TO GROWTH AND INVESTMENT OR WHETHER WE ARE
16:55:38 GOING TO CLOSE OUR DOORS TO CHANGE.
16:55:43 THE SPEAKER JUST NOW DESCRIBED HERSELF AND HER
16:55:47 COMPATRIOTS AS A MOB.
16:55:50 SHE ASKED TO YOU DO WHAT THE MOB WANTS.
16:55:54 WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT ON THE NATIONAL SCENE LATELY.
16:55:59 LOOK, GUYS, TAMPA HIT ITS STRIDE WHEN I MOVED HERE A
16:56:03 DECADE AGO, TOUGH TO FIND A DECENT PLACE TO EAT
16:56:03 DOWNTOWN.
16:56:06 NOW WE ARE PART OF A HANDFUL OF CITIES ATTRACT THE BEST
16:56:07 AND BRIGHTEST.
16:56:10 PEOPLE ARE COMING BECAUSE WE HAVE A STRONG AND
16:56:12 RESILIENT ECONOMY.
16:56:17 MAKE NO MISTAKE, TODAY IS WHAT THE CITY WANTS IN WEST
16:56:18 SHORE MARINA DISTRICT.
16:56:20 DO YOU WANT PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE CITY.
16:56:23 MORATORIUM AND ABATEMENT RISK IS THROWING ALL OF THAT
16:56:23 AWAY.
16:56:26 YOU MIGHT THINK I AM EXAGGERATING.
16:56:28 LOOK WHAT IS GOING IN THE COUNTY.
16:56:32 WHAT THE COUNTY IS CREATING WITH THE TWO MORATORIUMS.
16:56:35 THE COUNTY IS IN A HEAP OF LEGAL TROUBLE BECAUSE TRYING
16:56:38 TO IMPLEMENT NEW INTERPRETATIONS BEING STUDIED BECAUSE
16:56:39 OF THE MORATORIUM.
16:56:43 I CAN TELL YOU IN THE COUNTY WE HAVE SEEN CAPITAL
16:56:46 FLIGHT BECAUSE OF IT.
16:56:48 I HAVE CLIENTS WHO STOPPED LOOKING FOR PROJECTS
16:56:51 ANYWHERE BECAUSE CONSIDERED THAT THE POLITICAL RISK OF
16:56:53 WORKING THERE IS TOO HIGH.
16:56:56 TONIGHT, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERING LAND USE
16:56:59 AMENDMENTS THAT CHIME OUT OF ITS MORATORIUM PROCESS.
16:57:03 I WAS JUST TOLD OVER 100 PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT TONIGHT'S
16:57:03 HEARING.
16:57:05 THEY WILL BE THERE ALL NIGHT.
16:57:08 THE PROCESS IS NOT WORKING AND IT WON'T WORK IN THE
16:57:09 CITY.
16:57:14 YOU KNOW THE ECONOMICS LITERATURE SAY THE MORATORIA
16:57:18 WILL ACCELERATE PROJECTS IN THE SHORT RUN.
16:57:20 GET YOUR STAFF READY AND PREPARE YOURSELF FOR LONG
16:57:23 NIGHTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RUSHING TO PUT APPLICATIONS
16:57:23 TOGETHER RIGHT NOW.
16:57:27 I FOUND A 'NEW YORK TIMES" ARTICLE AS I WAS GETTING
16:57:31 READY THAT STUDIED THE EFFECTS OF A MORATORIUM IN A NEW
16:57:31 YORK TOWN.
16:57:34 THAT STUDY MAN FOUND INVESTIGATIVE -- THAT
16:57:39 INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM FOUND THAT IT WAS A BURDEN FOR
16:57:44 SMALLER BUILDERS AND LARGER BUILDERS OFTENTIMES REAP
16:57:46 THE REWARDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE FINANCIAL STAYING
16:57:48 POWER THAN THE SMALL ONES.
16:57:51 THE ARTICLE NOTICED THAT MANY BUILDERS AND LABORS LEFT
16:57:52 THE CITY TO FIND WORK IN OTHER AREAS.
16:57:56 GUYS, IS THIS REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO RISK IN THE MIDST
16:58:00 OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC WITH HISTORIC UNEMPLOYMENT.
16:58:02 TODAY'S PLAN NEEDS MORE THOUGHT.
16:58:03 THANK YOU.
16:58:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
16:58:09 JOHN LUM, ELISE BATSEL, DAVID MECHANIK.
16:58:11 >>CLERK: JONATHAN, YOU ARE ON THE LINE.
16:58:13 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
16:58:19 SPEAK.
16:58:29 >> JOHN LUM.
16:58:32 JOHN LUM, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO
16:58:38 SPEAK.
16:58:41 MADAM CLERK, AFTER THE -- AFTER THE LIVE SPEAKERS HOW
16:58:46 MUCH RECORDED DO WE HAVE?
16:58:47 ALL FOR THIS ITEM?
16:58:48 ALL RIGHT.
16:58:51 ELISE BASEL.
16:58:52 IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE.
16:58:57 UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
16:59:01 ELISE BATSEL.
16:59:04 DAVID MECHANIK, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE
16:59:05 YOURSELF.
16:59:08 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
16:59:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN -- YOUR VOICE IS VERY
16:59:11 FAINT.
16:59:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM SORRY.
16:59:18 >> SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, ELISE BATSEL.
16:59:22 IT HAD NOT UNMUTED -- SO I WASN'T ALLOWED TO UNMUTE.
16:59:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, ELISE.
16:59:25 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
16:59:29 >> ELISE BATSEL, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET.
16:59:31 FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE
16:59:37 COMMENDATION TO STAFF AND TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
16:59:37 OFFICE.
16:59:41 I KNOW THAT THE DIRECTION THEY WERE GIVEN SOMETIMES IT
16:59:45 IS DIFFICULT TO COME UP WITH PLAN THAT'S SOMEHOW FIT
16:59:48 COUNCIL DIRECTION AND I KNOW THEY ARE COMING UP WITH A
16:59:50 PLAN THAT SATISFIED EVERYONE'S NEEDS.
16:59:52 WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE CONCERNS.
16:59:55 AND I THINK THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT HAS CONCERNED WITH
16:59:57 THE TERM "ABATEMENT."
17:00:02 TYPICALLY IN A LEGAL CONTEXT, ABATEMENT MEANS AT THE
17:00:04 END OF THE WHOLE PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE
17:00:06 LANDOWNER WHOLE, RIGHT.
17:00:10 YOU MIGHT REDUCE DENSITY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT YOU
17:00:11 MAKE THAT UP LATER.
17:00:15 NOT JUST PUTTING DENSITY BACK, IT IS ALSO ACCOUNTING
17:00:19 FOR ANY DIMINUTION OF VALUE AND THIS ISN'T ANYWHERE IN
17:00:21 THE PROPOSAL AND I KNOW STAFF IS PUTTING THIS PROPOSAL
17:00:25 TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL, BUT
17:00:29 REALLY, WITHOUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THAT PROPOSAL, IT
17:00:33 REALLY IS JUST A MORATORIUM BY ANOTHER NAME.
17:00:36 I KNOW THAT THERE WERE FOUR MEETINGS WITH THE SOUTH OF
17:00:39 GANDY FOLKS AND I KNOW YOU REALLY TRIED TO GET A LOT OF
17:00:41 INPUT.
17:00:45 BUT THIS NEW PROPOSALS IS REALLY EXTENSIVE EFFECTS
17:00:50 CHANNELSIDE, THE RIVER, ROCKY POINT, PORT TAMPA, HARBOR
17:00:53 ISLAND, DAVIS ISLAND AND ON AND ON.
17:00:56 IF COUNCIL CONSIDERS ADOPTING THIS PROPOSAL, WE WOULD
17:00:59 ENCOURAGE TO YOU MEET WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AND
17:01:02 REALLY GET THE INPUT INTO THIS PROPOSAL, BECAUSE WHAT
17:01:05 WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FROM COUNCIL, FROM STAFF, AND
17:01:09 FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS A FULL EXPLANATION OF HOW
17:01:16 THIS PROPOSAL WOULD ACTUALLY ADDRESS THE REPORTED
17:01:16 ISSUE.
17:01:20 AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, HOW -- IS THERE ACTUAL DATA
17:01:23 AND ANALYSIS TO SHOW THERE IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT.
17:01:26 AND IS SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS ANALYSIS COMING.
17:01:30 SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO WAIT FOR THAT ANALYSIS.
17:01:33 IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THIS
17:01:36 PROPOSAL IS SHOWN TO ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE A MEASURABLE
17:01:40 REDUCTION IN HURRICANE EVACUATION TIME.
17:01:42 THOSE ARE THE KEY THINGS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT FOR
17:01:45 SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO BE PUT FORWARD.
17:01:49 AS YOU KNOW, EVACUATION IS REGIONAL AND STATEWIDE, AND
17:01:53 SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU BE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE
17:01:55 DATA IS AIR TIGHT, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE ARE ISSUE
17:02:00 THAT'S COULD BE CONSTRUED AS TEMPORARY TAKINGS AND
17:02:03 INORDINATE BURDENS ON A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PROPERTY
17:02:04 OWNERS.
17:02:08 OFTENTIMES, WE GO IN THESE MEETINGS WITH PROPOSALS AND
17:02:12 GOOD INTENTIONS AND MANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
17:02:15 I FEAR THIS IS ONE OF THESE CASES WE NEED TO DIG DEEPER
17:02:18 AND LOOK CLOSER AT THE PROPOSAL AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING
17:02:20 TO ACCOMPLISH, COUNCIL.
17:02:21 AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU DO THAT.
17:02:24 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
17:02:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:02:29 NOW GO BACK TO JOHN LUM, WHO IS STANDING BY.
17:02:31 >>CLERK: JOHN, IF YOU WERE ON.
17:02:35 UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:02:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF MR. LUM, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
17:02:41 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:02:42 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
17:02:45 >> YES, I AM TRYING -- AM I UNMUTED?
17:02:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HEAR YOU.
17:02:48 GO AHEAD, SIR.
17:02:48 >> THANK YOU.
17:02:51 I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HARD WORK ON THIS.
17:02:54 I ALSO WAS A DEVELOPER.
17:02:58 I UNDERSTAND CHANGE IS NEVER A GOOD THING.
17:03:02 I DO GET INSULTED BY A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT TALKED
17:03:03 EARLIER.
17:03:07 THEY MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE DON'T PAY ANY MONEY AND IT
17:03:11 IS JUST -- ALL THE BURDEN IS PUT ON THE POPULATION.
17:03:16 BUT I RECENTLY CLEANED UP THE OLD LANDFILL BEHIND SAM'S
17:03:22 CLUB WHICH WAS A CITY OF TAMPA PROBLEM THEY CREATED IN
17:03:25 THE 1950S AND '60S AND BY DUMPING THERE.
17:03:31 CLEANED UP 150 CUBIC YARDS AND PAY $1.8 MILLION OF
17:03:34 IMPACT FEES AND TOOK A PROPERTY THAT WAS CREATING,
17:03:37 MAYBE $30,000, $40,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES TO THE
17:03:42 COUNTY AND THE CITY AND NOW $750,000 INCOME STREAM FOR
17:03:43 THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
17:03:48 SO, I KNOW, I THINK WE DO GOOD THINGS.
17:03:52 I -- I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WITH THE 120% INCREASE OF
17:03:56 CAPACITY OF THE FLYOVER THAT IS COMING FROM THE
17:03:57 CROSSTOWN.
17:04:01 WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND PUT THAT IN OUR
17:04:02 MODELING.
17:04:06 A HUGE INCREASE TO IMPROVEMENT TO OUR ROAD SYSTEM AS
17:04:10 EVERYBODY SAYS 35% REDUCTION OF TRAFFIC ON GANDY ITSELF
17:04:13 WHICH WILL BE GREATLY FELT BY EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE.
17:04:20 AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS A VERY EXTREME REACH THAT
17:04:23 WE ARE DOING.
17:04:35 AND A LOT OF FOLKS AND IN A B EVACUATION LOOKING LOOK
17:04:38 AT A STORM SURGE OVER PINELLAS COUNTY AND THE FOLKS
17:04:42 LIVING HERE WEREN'T SMART ENOUGH TO GET IN THEIR CARS
17:04:46 AND GO TO GEORGIA AND LEAVE.
17:04:48 WE HAVE A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY AND WE KNOW OF THESE
17:04:50 HURRICANES A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME AND EVERYBODY GETS
17:04:54 EXCITED AND PREPARED.
17:04:58 I THINK IT IS VERY, VERY -- JUST EXTREME WHAT WE ARE
17:04:59 DOING.
17:05:03 WE DO A LOT OF STUFF -- THE CITY OF ST. PETERSBURG IS
17:05:04 GOING THE OTHER WAY.
17:05:07 THEY ARE ACTUALLY ASKING US TO -- TO -- THEY ARE
17:05:13 OFFERING US TO BUILD MORE DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH
17:05:18 HAZARD BY MORE STRINGENT CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGY AND
17:05:20 THE SISTER STATION TAMPA PAY AND THEY ARE GOING THE
17:05:21 OTHER WAY.
17:05:23 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
17:05:26 I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD TAKE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS
17:05:27 AND LOOK AT IT.
17:05:30 I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S HARD WORK ON THIS.
17:05:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:05:36 DAVID MECHANIK, CAMI CORBETT AND MICHAEL BROOKS.
17:05:38 >>CLERK: DAVID, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE UNMUTE
17:05:42 YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:05:42 >> YES, THANK YOU.
17:05:46 MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
17:05:47 FLORIDA.
17:05:52 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF VIPER VENTURES WHO IS A
17:05:56 SIGNIFICANT PROPERTY OWNER ON RATTLESNAKE POINT.
17:05:59 I'M HERE TO EXPRESS OUR SIGNIFICANT CONCERN REGARDING
17:06:04 THE MORATORIUM PROPOSAL.
17:06:07 ANY ACTION LIKE THIS WHICH PRESENTS SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS
17:06:15 TO THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF OWNERS MUST BE SERIOUSLY
17:06:16 CONSIDERED.
17:06:18 AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK OVER WHAT THE LEGAL
17:06:24 DEPARTMENT TOLD YOU ARE THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU HAVE TO
17:06:24 CONSIDER.
17:06:28 BUT TO IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC PROBLEM THAT IS INTENDED TO
17:06:28 BE ADDRESSED.
17:06:33 AND THAT PROBLEM HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED BASED ON FACTS
17:06:36 THAT DEMONSTRATE THE NEED.
17:06:40 AND ALSO, VERY IMPORTANTLY, AS YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY
17:06:44 WHAT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM IS.
17:06:49 AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT WHILE THE STAFF REPORT GIVES
17:06:55 YOU AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, MY QUESTION REMAINS, IS
17:06:59 THE SOLUTION TO WHAT PROBLEM.
17:07:03 WE TALK ABOUT HURRICANE EVACUATION.
17:07:09 AND EVERYBODY HERE -- EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM GETS
17:07:13 FRUSTRATED SITTING IN TRAFFIC, BUT THAT IS NOT
17:07:15 AN ANALYTICAL STUDY.
17:07:20 YOU DO NOT HAVE A STUDY THAT INDICATES TO YOU THAT
17:07:23 HURRICANE EVACUATION IS A PROBLEM.
17:07:27 AND VERY INTERESTING IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE HAVE GOT
17:07:34 THE POPULATION FIGURES THAT INDICATE THAT THE SOUTH
17:07:37 TAMPA PENINSULA WAS SEVENTH IN THE CITY AND HAS NOT
17:07:43 EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT GROWTH OVER A TEN-YEAR PERIOD.
17:07:46 SO, AGAIN, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE ARE
17:07:50 TRYING TO ADDRESS.
17:07:55 AND THEN AGAIN, HURRICANE EVACUATIONS IS THE PROBLEM.
17:07:57 WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?
17:08:02 IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT TO JUST SAY, WELL, IT CURTAILS
17:08:04 DEVELOPMENT FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME.
17:08:07 WHAT DO YOU DO AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD?
17:08:10 AND I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER A QUESTION -- AT LEAST
17:08:13 PARTIALLY ANSWER A QUESTION ABOUT THE ELEVATED
17:08:17 EXPRESSWAY.
17:08:21 THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY ESTIMATES THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE
17:08:25 REDUCED ON THE GROUND SURFACE LEVEL OF GANDY BOULEVARD
17:08:28 BY 35%.
17:08:32 THAT MAY BE THE ONLY ROAD IN THIS CITY THAT WILL
17:08:36 EXPERIENCE SUCH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NEW CAPACITY
17:08:40 THAT WILL APPEAR ON THAT ROAD.
17:08:46 BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THE PINELLAS EVACUEE THAT WE
17:08:50 HAVE BEEN TOLD HAVE A PROBLEM ARE ALL GOING TO BE ON
17:08:53 THE ELEVATED SECTION OF THAT ROAD.
17:08:54 THEY CANNOT EXIT --
17:08:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
17:09:00 >> THEY HAVE GOT TO GO TO THE REST OF THE EXPRESSWAY.
17:09:02 ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:09:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:09:04 THANK YOU.
17:09:10 NEXT IS CAMI CORBETT, MICHAEL BROOKS AND JENNIFER
17:09:11 MOTSINGER.
17:09:18 >>CLERK: CAMI DID REGISTER AND DID NOT PHONE IN TO
17:09:18 PARTICIPATE.
17:09:20 NEXT SPEAKER, MICHAEL BROOKS.
17:09:23 IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU
17:09:26 HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:09:27 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
17:09:31 I AM TECHNOLOGICALLY SAVVY THIS EVENING.
17:09:34 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
17:09:38 THERE ARE A NUMBER SPEAKERS BEHIND ME, BUT -- ON THE
17:09:42 PHONE AND RECORDED SO I AM GOING TO KEEP THIS BRIEF.
17:09:47 I WANT TO REITERATE AND ECHO WHAT ELISE SAID AT THE
17:09:52 ONSET WHICH WAS THAT IS CLEAR THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
17:09:58 PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE MOTION THAT WAS GIVEN BY
17:10:02 COUNCIL AND HAS TRIED COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT I
17:10:05 WOULD AGREE AT LEAST IN FRAMEWORK IS MUCH MORE LEGALLY
17:10:09 DEFENSIBLE IN THAT IT TREATS ALL SIMILAR SITUATED
17:10:14 PROPERTIES THE SAME, AND THAT IS INCLUDING ALL OF THE
17:10:18 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
17:10:23 BUT IN -- IN DOING THAT, AND WE HAVE NOT ONLY JUST
17:10:27 SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AND EXPANDED THE GEOGRAPHIC
17:10:31 AREAS OF WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED, BUT WE ARE ALSO
17:10:35 INCLUDING LANDOWNERS OR IMPACTING LANDOWNERS IN OTHER
17:10:38 INTERESTS THAT FRANKLY -- TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAVEN'T BEEN
17:10:43 INVOLVED IN THIS CONVERSATION.
17:10:48 AND PROBABLY MAY NOT BE EVEN AWARE, EVERYTHING FROM THE
17:10:53 PORT TO YBOR CITY TO THE EAST THROUGH -- THROUGH
17:11:00 DOWNTOWN AND TO THE WEST SHORE ALLIANCE.
17:11:02 I WANT TO START WITH THAT POINT.
17:11:07 THAT I AM NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE INTERESTED
17:11:09 PARTIES AT THE TABLE HERE.
17:11:15 THE SECOND POINT IS, IS THAT -- ALSO IS AS MISS BATSEL
17:11:20 WAS POINTING OUT THAT THE FRAMEWORK FOR THIS -- THE
17:11:27 ABATEMENT IS -- IS STRUCTURED SUCH THAT THERE IS NOT A
17:11:31 PROHIBITION AS I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL ON NEW
17:11:32 APPLICATIONS.
17:11:35 IT'S THAT THEY WOULD JUST HAVE DIFFERENT REGULATORY
17:11:40 STANDARDS OR DENSITY CAPS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH
17:11:40 THEM.
17:11:45 AND I WOULD HAVE LEGAL CONCERNS FOR THE CITY AND AS A
17:11:50 RESIDENT THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR
17:11:54 ANY CHALLENGES TO THAT.
17:11:59 THAT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT PROCEDURALLY TO GO
17:12:03 ABOUT IMPLEMENTING NEW REGULATORY CAPS.
17:12:08 WE DID GET AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PARTICULAR SITES.
17:12:11 I DON'T KNOW WHICH OF MY COLLEAGUES MIGHT REPRESENT
17:12:13 THAT OWNER.
17:12:15 BUT I THINK THAT THE NUMBER WAS SOMETHING ALONG THE
17:12:21 LINES OF 40% DECREASE IN THE MAXIMUM -- IN THEIR
17:12:25 ENTITLEMENTS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY JUST
17:12:26 CLOSED ON.
17:12:29 AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE KIND OF GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO
17:12:32 THE THIRD RAIL THERE IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL EXPOSURE FOR
17:12:33 THE CITY.
17:12:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
17:12:45 NEXT IS JENNIFER MOTSINGER, STEVE MICHELINI.
17:12:48 >>CLERK: JENNIFER INFORMED US SHE WOULD NOT BE
17:12:50 APPEARING TO SPEAK ON ITEM.
17:12:52 STEPHEN MICHELINI.
17:12:54 STEPHEN, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND
17:13:02 YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:13:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI, IF YOU WERE ON THE
17:13:04 LINE.
17:13:06 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
17:13:12 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
17:13:22 MR. MICHELINI, YOU ARE UP.
17:13:27 >>CLERK: MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU THERE?
17:13:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF NOT, ANN POLLACK, RANDY COEN
17:13:32 AND RON WEAVER.
17:13:36 AND THEN COME BACK TO MR. MICHELINI.
17:13:40 >>CLERK: ANN POLLACK REGISTERED BUT DID NOT PHONE IN
17:13:41 TO PARTICIPATE.
17:13:43 THE NEXT WILL BE RANDY COHEN.
17:13:46 RANDY, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU
17:13:47 HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:13:48 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
17:13:50 RANDY COEN.
17:13:53 THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY.
17:13:55 I WON'T TAKE MUCH TIME.
17:13:57 I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE INFORMATION REGARDING
17:13:59 GANDY BOULEVARD.
17:14:02 AND I AM ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME.
17:14:05 I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY INDICATION.
17:14:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
17:14:08 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
17:14:13 THE ELEVATED ROADWAY CONSTRUCTED ON GANDY AND SCHEDULED
17:14:16 TO REOPEN LATER THIS WEEK IS A GAME CHANGER FOR GANDY
17:14:20 BOULEVARD, DALE MABRY, MANHATTAN AND WEST SHORE
17:14:21 BOULEVARD IN AREA.
17:14:26 CURRENTLY, GANDY BOULEVARD HAS A CAPACITY OF 37,800
17:14:27 CREEKS A DAY.
17:14:31 WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ELEVATED LANES WILL INCREASE
17:14:38 TO 84,100 VEHICLES, AN INCREASE OF MORE THAN TWICE.
17:14:40 THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY AND IN PREPARING THIS PROJECT
17:14:43 AND FOR THE BONDING OF THIS PROJECT HAS DONE
17:14:47 SUBSTANTIAL STUDIES REGARDING GANDY BOULEVARD AND THE
17:14:49 EFFECTS OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL MOVE FROM GANDY BOULEVARD
17:14:52 TO THE ELEVATED ROADWAY.
17:14:55 EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY BELIEVE THAT 35% OF THE EXISTING
17:15:00 TRAFFIC ON GANDY BOULEVARD WILL NO LONGER BE ON THE
17:15:03 SURFACE STREET NOW THAT THE ELEVATED LANES ARE OPEN.
17:15:04 THEY WILL BE ON ELEVATED LANE.
17:15:10 A 35% DECREASE OF THE TRAFFIC PORTION OF GANDY
17:15:14 BOULEVARD IS A MONUMENTAL IMPROVEMENT NOT ONLY FOR THE
17:15:18 OPERATION OF GANDY BOULEVARD BUT FOR DALE MABRY HIGHWAY
17:15:20 BECAUSE NO LONGER BE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FROM GANDY
17:15:23 BOULEVARD ON TO THE EXPRESSWAY AT THAT POINT.
17:15:25 IT WILL ALREADY BE THERE.
17:15:28 AT MANHATTAN AVENUE BECAUSE OF THE DECREASED TRAFFIC
17:15:32 ALONG GANDY BOULEVARD MOVING EAST-WEST, IT WILL ALLOW
17:15:35 SUBSTANTIALLY MORE GREEN TIME TO BE DEDICATED TO THE
17:15:42 NORTH-SOUTH MOVEMENT, THE MANHATTAN AVENUE TO PROVIDE
17:15:45 SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH THERE.
17:15:47 WEST SHORE BOULEVARD, THE CITY HAS SUBSTANTIAL
17:15:51 IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON AT THAT INTERSECTIONS AS WELL AS
17:15:55 THE ELEVATED LANES THAT WILL ALSO SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVE
17:15:58 THE TRAFFIC AT GANDY BOULEVARD AND WEST SHORE BOULEVARD
17:16:02 PROVIDING SUBSTANTIALLY MORE GREEN TIME FOR TRAFFIC TO
17:16:04 TRAVEL NORTH AND SOUTH ON WEST SHORE BOULEVARD.
17:16:08 I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE FACTS WERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
17:16:12 YOU HEARD A LOT OF OPINIONS FROM VARIOUS FOLKS.
17:16:14 THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
17:16:16 MY INFORMATION IS FROM THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY AND
17:16:18 WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD THAT IN FRONT OF BUT.
17:16:19 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:16:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:16:23 RON WEAVER.
17:16:27 >>CLERK: RON, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
17:16:31 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RON WEAVER, 401 EAST JACKSON
17:16:32 STREET STEARNS WEAVER LAW IF I RECALL.
17:16:38 SOME OF THE BEST PLANNERS ARE CAROLE POST AND ABBYE
17:16:40 FEELEY AND RANDY GOERS.
17:16:43 THEY DO THEIR BEST, BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE FOUR
17:16:45 PARTS OF THEIR SLIDES WITH THE 13 UNIT BREAKER
17:16:50 REDUCTION IN ONE CATEGORY AND 54% REDUCTION IN ANOTHER
17:16:54 CATEGORY LIKE THAT MACY'S EXAMPLE ARE TAKING PROPERTY
17:16:58 WITHOUT COMPENSATION OR HARRIS ACT IT IS NOT IN AN
17:17:02 ABATEMENT THAT LOST DENSITY HAS NO WAY BACK TO THE GOOD
17:17:06 FAITH BUYER-BUILDERS IN THIS MARKET THAT PAID THIS GOOD
17:17:07 MONEY FOR THE DENSITY.
17:17:12 CANNOT MASK THE MORATORIUM AS ABATEMENT AND MAKE ROLE
17:17:13 FOR DENSITY LOST.
17:17:16 THIS IS NOT THE CASE HERE.
17:17:19 AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE LOSS OF 59 UNITS PER IN EACH
17:17:26 OF 227 ACRES OF UMU-60 AND 13 EACH OF ON 561 ACHES OF
17:17:31 CMU-35 WITH A $50 MILLION AND $100 MILLION
17:17:36 UNCOMPENSATED TAKING OR HARRIS ACT INORDINATE BURDEN BY
17:17:37 WHATEVER NAME YOU GAVE IT.
17:17:42 INORDINATELY BURDENING ALL OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
17:17:45 AREA EXPANDS THAT CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT DAMAGES AND
17:17:48 EXCLUDES UNDER THE FOUR UNIT CATEGORIES FROM THE
17:17:52 MORATORIUM IS NOT ONLY UNEQUAL PROTECTION BUT A DUE
17:17:57 PROCESS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS OF YOUR POLICE POWER.
17:18:02 AND WITHOUT DEMONSTRATING EQUITABLE PUBLIC NEED AND BY
17:18:05 YOUR GOOD LAWYER MISS WELLS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
17:18:06 PRESENTATION.
17:18:10 TENS OR 50S OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF GOOD-FAITH
17:18:13 INVESTMENT EXPECTATION ALLIANCE ON THE ORIGINAL DENSITY
17:18:17 AND THE FLOOR AREA RATIO ALTERNATIVE AND THE SMALLER
17:18:19 SECOND USE REQUIREMENT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.
17:18:25 IN UNECONOMIC 30% THREATENS MANY PROJECTS ECONOMIC
17:18:25 VIABILITY.
17:18:30 RECOVERABLE ALONG WITH ATTORNEYS FEES UNDER CODE
17:18:31 SECTION 1983.
17:18:34 THOSE TO DEALT WITH THIS DENSITY FOR THE LAST 20 TO 30
17:18:38 YEARS ARE LOSING IT AFTER SPENDING TENS AND 50S OF
17:18:40 MILLIONS IN GOOD FAITH.
17:18:44 THE LAW SCIENTIFIC AND MATHEMATICAL NEEDS OF THIS
17:18:50 DENSITY OF WHICH THERE WAS NO LEGAL EXCUSE TO RENEGE ON
17:18:52 THESE THAT LED TO THIS DENSITY.
17:18:57 STATE LAW 163 REQUIRES EVERY FLORIDA GOVERNMENT TO HAVE
17:18:59 ENOUGH DENSITY FOR PROJECTED.
17:19:04 THE LEGALITY BY UNSUBSTANTIATED TO AVOID DENSITY AFTER
17:19:06 THEY PURCHASED THEIR UNITS WHICH HAVE LOWER COST
17:19:09 BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY THEY ENJOYED.
17:19:13 THEY NOW SEEK, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, OF THE NEXT COMER
17:19:17 AND DISCRIMINATION WITH SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC
17:19:19 REPERCUSSION.
17:19:22 AND THE LOWER DENSITY OF THE UNECONOMIC AND THE
17:19:27 RENEGING ON A OF DISTANT CALCULATIONS DRIVE UP THE
17:19:30 PRICE OF HOUSING THIS COUNCIL HAS VOWED TO REDUCE THE
17:19:33 COST OF HOUSING AND NOT INCREASE AVAILABILITY OF
17:19:38 AFFORDING HOUSING, NOT DECREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF
17:19:40 AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
17:19:44 MORATORIUM BY ANY SUSPENSION NAME IS STILL AN ILLEGAL
17:19:45 MORATORIUM.
17:19:47 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
17:19:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:19:52 MR. MICHELINI ON THE LINE.
17:19:55 I KNOW WE HAVE GONE TO HIM AND HE WASN'T THERE.
17:19:59 >>CLERK: MR. MICHELINI, IF YOU ARE ON LINE, YOU HAVE
17:20:00 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
17:20:06 YOU ARE ALREADY UNMUTED.
17:20:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
17:20:08 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:20:22 I DON'T BELIEVE -- HE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ON.
17:20:22 [INAUDIBLE]
17:20:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
17:20:28 YEAH, LET'S DO IT -- WE HAVE 16 VOICEMAIL MESSAGES?
17:20:30 ALL RIGHT.
17:20:36 WE WILL START THERE.
17:20:40 >> HI, GAY JONES AND I LIVED IN TAMPA OVER 40 YEARS AND
17:20:46 CALLING BECAUSE I AM VERY CONCERNED OF THE -- IN SOUTH
17:20:50 TAMPA, THE TRAFFIC AND SCHOOLS AND ENVIRONMENT ARE ALL
17:20:55 IMPACTED AS WELL THE DRAINAGE AND ESTHETIC APPEAL OF
17:20:58 THE COMMUNITY AND THE SAFETY OF OUR TAMPA RESIDENTS ARE
17:21:01 AFFECTED WHEN THERE IS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF EXIT
17:21:02 TIMES.
17:21:05 AND EVACUATION ROUTES WOULD BE OVERWHELMED.
17:21:09 I AM REQUESTING IN THIS CALL FOR A YEAR-LONG MORATORIUM
17:21:14 ON APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE OVER 20 UNITS.
17:21:17 I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO ALLOW REVIEW TIME OF THE
17:21:22 IMPACT STUDIES CURRENTLY BEING DONE AND FOR THE
17:21:26 FORTIFICATION OF THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:21:30 WE CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOW THE DEVELOPERS AND THEIR
17:21:34 CRAFTY LEGAL EXPERTS TO RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER THIS CITY.
17:21:36 I HOPE THAT YOU HEED MY REQUEST.
17:21:42 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:21:44 >> GOOD MORNING.
17:21:51 MY NAME IS BEVERLY LENZ, 6822 SOUTH DESOTO STREET IN
17:21:53 PORT TAMPA CITY.
17:21:54 AND CALLING ON ITEM NUMBER 65.
17:21:57 AND I TOTALLY SUPPORT THE MORATORIUM.
17:21:59 I LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.
17:22:04 AND I LIVED HERE WHEN THE GAS TANKS DOWN TOWARD PICNIC
17:22:08 ISLAND CAUGHT FIRE AND WE WERE ALL TOLD TO EVACUATE
17:22:08 THEN.
17:22:11 AND THAT HAS BEEN CLOSE TO 20 YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS A
17:22:13 PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC AT THAT TIME.
17:22:16 IF THAT WAS TO HAPPEN TODAY, THERE IS NO WAY THAT HALF
17:22:18 OF US WOULD GET OUT.
17:22:23 THANK YOU.
17:22:28 >> JANET DAVIS, DAVIS ISLAND ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT.
17:22:30 AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 65.
17:22:35 FILE NUMBER E 2020-8, CH 27.
17:22:39 THE SUBJECT MORATORIUM ON REZONING.
17:22:40 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:22:44 I AM WRITING FOR SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED ONE-YEAR
17:22:48 SUSPENSION OF REZONINGS FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES BIGGER
17:22:51 THAN 20 UNITS SOUTH OF EUCLID.
17:22:55 PLUS AND EITHER THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA OR
17:22:57 EVACUATION ZONE A AND B.
17:23:00 YOU HAVE THREE IMPORTANT STUDIES COMING THAT WILL HAVE
17:23:04 FACTS, DATA AND EXPERT RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMENDMENTS TO
17:23:05 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
17:23:09 YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN STUDY THOSE REPORTS AND
17:23:13 PROPOSE SOUND AMOUNTS THAT UNLIKE NOW WILL HOLD UP TO
17:23:13 COURT CHALLENGES.
17:23:16 THIS IS ESSENTIAL BECAUSE CURRENTLY OUR CITY CANNOT BE
17:23:20 EVACUATED SAFELY IN AN EMERGENCY.
17:23:24 TAMPA ESTABLISHED AN OUT-OF-COUNTY EVACUATION TIME OF
17:23:28 28 HOURS FOR CATEGORY 5 STORM, WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD
17:23:34 DONE YET, BUT STATE REQUIRES 16 HOURS YET THE REGIONAL
17:23:38 EVACUATION STUDIES SHOW OUR TIME IS ALMOST DOUBLED THAT
17:23:43 REQUIRED AT 55 HOURS PER MARSHAL FLYNN WITH TBRC AND
17:23:45 SHAWN COLLEGE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
17:23:49 THESE TIMES ARE BASED ON 2015 POPULATION STUDIES THAT
17:23:54 YOU PROBABLY KNOW NOW OUR POPULATION HAVE INCREASED AND
17:23:57 MUSHROOMED AS WE KNOW SINCE THEN.
17:24:00 SO I THINK BASED ON THESE STUDIES, BASED ON WHAT WE
17:24:04 KNOW, PLEASE SUPPORT ONE-YEAR SUSPENSION OF REZONINGS
17:24:08 FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES BIGGER THAN 20 UNITS UNTIL
17:24:10 FURTHER STUDIES CAN BE DONE.
17:24:11 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:24:24 JANICE DAVIS, TAMPA ,FLORIDA 33616.
17:24:29 THIS IN REGARD TO NUMBER 65 ON THURSDAY'S AGENDA.
17:24:33 I AM JUST REQUESTING THAT THERE BE A POSTPONEMENT AND
17:24:41 STOP TO FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AND OF ALL THE MULTIVILLAGE
17:24:47 MULTIDWELLING UNIT DEVELOPMENTS THAT CURRENTLY TAKING
17:24:49 PLACE ESPECIALLY HERE SOUTH OF GANDY.
17:24:54 RIGHT NOW IN OUR AREA, IT IS A TROUBLE TO BE ABLE TO
17:24:58 GET OUT AS IT IS WITH THE CONGESTION.
17:25:06 AND, YOU KNOW, GANDY IS THE OFFICIAL EVACUATION ROUTE
17:25:07 FOR ST. PETE.
17:25:10 THEY EVACUATE THROUGH US.
17:25:12 IF THEY NEED TO EVACUATE AND WE NEED TO EVACUATE IN
17:25:16 TIMES OF HURRICANE EVACUATIONS WHICH WE KNOW HAPPENS,
17:25:20 IT IS GOING TO BE A DANGEROUS MATTER FOR US.
17:25:23 THERE IS ALSO, YOU KNOW -- IN GENERAL, THERE HAS NOT
17:25:26 BEEN THE IMPACT THAT IS NEEDED FOR PROPER PLANNING.
17:25:29 AND TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION THAT'S WE HAVE ALREADY,
17:25:32 BUT THEN TO DEAL WITH OTHER SITUATIONS SUCH AS, LIKE,
17:25:37 YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM LIGHT POLLUTION TO
17:25:42 ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS IN GENERAL, TO DIFFERENT FACTORS
17:25:44 OVERALL.
17:25:50 AND THOSE IMPACTS ANALYSIS -- THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM
17:25:53 THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BECOME DUE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
17:25:58 SO I AM JUST REQUESTING THAT BE POSTPONED ANY
17:25:59 DEVELOPMENT.
17:26:04 AND THAT'S -- THAT IS DESIRED ALREADY TAKING PLACE IS
17:26:07 TO CONTINUE TAKING PLACE -- THAT WANTED TO TAKE PLACE
17:26:12 IN THE FUTURE UNTIL THOSE IMPACT ANALYSIS DETAILS ARE
17:26:15 OUT SO WE CAN MAKE BETTER, INFORMED DECISIONS.
17:26:32 THANK YOU.
17:26:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU WISH TO --
17:26:47 >> AS CHAIR PRO TEM WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL WE HAVE --
17:26:50 WE DO HAVE QUORUM.
17:27:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU MR. CHAIR PRO TEM
17:27:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID THEY TAKE A BREAK?
17:32:16 GAVEL SOUNDING]
17:32:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL.
17:32:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
17:32:22 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
17:32:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
17:32:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
17:32:28 >>CLERK: MIRANDA.
17:32:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
17:32:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK, IF YOU ANNOUNCE THERE IS
17:32:35 A PHYSICAL QUORUM PRESENT.
17:32:40 >>CLERK: THERE IS A PHYSICAL QUORUM PRESENT.
17:32:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
17:32:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI WHO HAD TECHNICAL
17:32:47 ISSUES.
17:32:49 HE IS ON THE LINE IF WE CAN RESUME.
17:32:50 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
17:32:53 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
17:32:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
17:32:57 >> THIS STARTED OFF AS A -- AS AN ASSUMPTION THERE WAS
17:33:00 A PROBLEM SOUTH OF GANDY.
17:33:03 AND IT HAS GROWN INTO A MUCH LARGER ISSUE.
17:33:08 I MEAN, OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM HERE IS HAVING THE DATA
17:33:11 THAT EITHER SUPPORTS OR REJECTS THE ASSUMPTION THAT A
17:33:13 MORATORIUM IS NEEDED.
17:33:18 AND WHAT I HEARD FROM THE TAMPA FIRE RESCUE WAS THEY
17:33:23 HAD RESCUE PLANS IN EFFECT THAT WERE ADEQUATE AND THAT
17:33:26 THEY DEMONSTRATED CLEARLY THAT THERE WAS NOT THE SAME
17:33:27 PROBLEM.
17:33:32 AND THEY ALSO SAID THAT THE EVACUATION PROGRAM STARTS
17:33:35 120 HOURS IN ADVANCE OF THE STORM, NOT AT THE LAST
17:33:36 MINUTE.
17:33:41 SO THE COMMENTS ABOUT SUDDEN CLOGGING OF THE ROADWAYS
17:33:45 DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MATERIAL REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR
17:33:46 ISSUE.
17:33:51 AND THEN AGAIN, YOU HAD -- ONCE YOU START AT 120 HOURS
17:33:53 AND GOES TO 72 HOURS.
17:33:56 YOU HAVE FIVE DAYS, AND YOU HAVE FOUR DAYS AND THREE
17:34:02 DAYS, AND IF YOU ARE WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE, THE
17:34:04 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING DOOR TO DOOR.
17:34:08 THEY GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH LOUDSPEAKERS AND
17:34:10 ANNOUNCE AGAINST YOU ARE IN A DANGER ZONE.
17:34:12 AND YOU NEED TO LEAVE.
17:34:16 THEN AFTER THAT, THEY GO IN AND WITH HANG TAGS ON THE
17:34:19 DOORS AND KNOCK DOOR TO DOOR TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE
17:34:20 KNOWS ABOUT IT.
17:34:23 SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER STUDY
17:34:26 THAT -- THAT THE STAFF PRESENTED THAT SHOWED THE GROWTH
17:34:32 RATE WAS -- WAS FAIRLY MINIMAL IN THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA.
17:34:36 SO WHAT -- WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE?
17:34:39 IF WE WANT SAFE EVACUATION PLANS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S
17:34:40 FINE.
17:34:43 IF YOU WANT SAFE DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING CODE PLANS,
17:34:46 THAT'S FINE TOO.
17:34:49 BUT WE NEED A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE
17:34:53 WE JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT A MORATORIUM IS NEEDED.
17:34:57 YOU JUST -- YOU JUST WERE ADOPTING EARLIER THIS MORNING
17:35:01 THE BUILDING CODE PROVISIONS THAT MAKE IT MORE
17:35:03 STRINGENT REGARDING WHAT ARE YOUR CATASTROPHIC
17:35:07 CONDITIONS THAT YOU NEED TO BUILD TO.
17:35:10 AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT WAS THE ZONING
17:35:13 REGARDING HOW DO YOU GET TO THAT POINT.
17:35:16 IF YOU WANT TO USE THE ANALOGY OF CALIFORNIA WITH
17:35:19 EARTHQUAKES, THEY DON'T SHUT THE DEVELOPMENT DOWN.
17:35:22 THEY BUILD TO THE -- TO THE DANGER THAT IS PRESENT.
17:35:26 AND SO IN OUR CASE, I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE BUILD TO
17:35:28 THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PRESENT.
17:35:31 AND IF YOU NEED TO SET UP BUILDING AND ZONING
17:35:36 REGULATIONS, THEN IF YOU ARE A PD IN A COASTAL HIGH
17:35:39 HAZARD AREA OR ANOTHER KIND OF REZONING, YOU ESTABLISH
17:35:41 THE CONDITIONS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR THE AREA.
17:35:46 YOU DON'T STOP EVERYTHING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A
17:35:48 PRESUMPTION THAT STOPPING EVERYTHING WILL SOLVE THE
17:35:49 PROBLEM.
17:35:52 STOPPING DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
17:35:56 MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT SOLUTIONS HELPS TO GET OUT TO
17:35:56 POINT.
17:36:00 AND IF YOU WANT TO USE ANOTHER ANALOGY, IN TERMS OF
17:36:05 SPACE TRAVEL, THERE IS A POINT WHERE YOU CANNOT BE 100%
17:36:08 SECURE AND SAFE.
17:36:12 THERE IS -- THERE IS A POINT WHERE THE -- THE BENEFIT
17:36:14 OF BEING SAFE STOPS.
17:36:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
17:36:18 >> SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU.
17:36:20 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
17:36:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
17:36:23 RESUME WITH THE RECORDED CALLS.
17:36:28 HOW MANY MORE LEFT DO WE HAVE?
17:36:29 THAT'S FINE.
17:36:30 JUST GO AHEAD AND BEGIN.
17:36:32 >> HI, HELLO.
17:36:34 THIS IS CHRISTINA DAGY.
17:36:40 I LIVE 7080 SOUTH SHAMROCK ROAD AND MY COMMENTS COVER
17:36:42 65 THE MORATORIUM.
17:36:44 I AM SURE YOU HEARD OTHERS SPEAK WITH TRAFFIC
17:36:50 INCREASES, FLOOD POTENTIALITIES, EVACUATION TIME.
17:36:51 LIGHT POLLUTION.
17:36:54 I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO AN ARTICLE THAT I READ
17:36:55 ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO.
17:36:57 I WENT BACK AND GOOGLED IT.
17:37:02 MAY 24, 2019 AND IT REALLY STUCK IN MY MIND.
17:37:08 IT IS ENTITLED TAMPA'S WEST SHORE MARINA APARTMENT BOOM
17:37:11 NEARBY BY THE TAMPA BAY TIMES REPORTER.
17:37:15 USE THE WORD BOOM AND FLURRY OF WORK AND ELEVATE DEMAND
17:37:18 AND CONSTRUCTION AND BOOMING AND MENTIONS THAT THESE
17:37:22 CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES OR THESE MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE
17:37:27 SWEDISH-BASED, ILLINOIS-BASED, AND ATLANTA-BASED.
17:37:31 WHAT GOT ME WERE THESE QUOTES, TRAFFIC ALREADY CAN BE A
17:37:32 NIGHTMARE, NOTE.
17:37:35 AND THEY NOTE THE GANDY EXTENSION CONSTRUCTION AND GOES
17:37:40 ON TO SAY, QUOTE, WEST SHORE IS ONLY ONE LANE EACH WAY
17:37:43 AND TRAFFIC BACKS UP EVEN WITHOUT HUNDREDS OF NEW
17:37:46 APARTMENTS AND CARS ADDED TO THE CONGESTION.
17:37:47 ANOTHER QUOTE.
17:37:52 THE CEO POINT ON WEST SHORE ISN'T TOO CONCERNED.
17:37:57 HE PREDICTS THAT RESIDENTS WILL USE INTERBAY BOULEVARD
17:37:59 TO GET WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
17:38:04 AND FOUND HER OWN WORK AROUND.
17:38:05 SO MANY CUT THROUGH STREETS.
17:38:09 YOU TAKE OKLAHOMA ALL THE WAY TO HIMES, AND IT IS
17:38:10 REALLY EASY.
17:38:11 END QUOTE.
17:38:15 FIRST WHAT GOT ME WERE THESE OUT-OF-TOWNERS.
17:38:18 OUT-OF-TOWNERS WHO COME IN AND BUILD AND WE THE
17:38:20 CITIZENS AND USERS ARE STUCK WITH ALL THE ADDED
17:38:23 CONGESTION.
17:38:28 WHAT ALSO GOT ME WAS, FOR INSTANCE, MR. BOURKE OF WEST
17:38:30 SHORE SAY WE CAN USE INNER BAY.
17:38:33 HE MUST NOT LIVE HERE BECAUSE WOULD KNOW AT RUSH HOUR
17:38:37 ROBINSON HIGH SCHOOL TRAFFIC AND BAY TRAFFIC TO MUDDLE
17:38:38 THROUGH.
17:38:40 AND A WOMAN WHO LIVES IN WEST SHORE SALES AND REAL
17:38:43 ESTATE IS NOT GOING OUT AT WEST HOUR.
17:38:48 AND I LIVE TEN YEARS ON IOWA AVENUE AND ONE REASON WE
17:38:49 MOVED BECAUSE OF THE HIGH TRAFFIC.
17:38:53 I DIDN'T WANT MY KIDS RIDING THEIR BIKES OR WALKING BY
17:38:57 THEMSELVES AND A REASON OKLAHOMA HAVE BIG TABLES
17:39:04 BECAUSE PEOPLE THEM AS CUT-THRU STREET AND PEOPLE WHO
17:39:07 LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT IS NOT NICE TO BE CUT-THRU
17:39:10 STREETS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD NOT BE USED AS
17:39:11 TRAFFIC HIGHWAYS.
17:39:17 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT HAVE TENFOLD AND WHATEVER
17:39:19 POINT.
17:39:22 THE OTHER POINT WITH THE INCREASE IN CONDOS, APARTMENTS
17:39:26 AND, IT IS HARD TO GET IN THE PARKS.
17:39:31 THE PARKING LOTS ARE FULL WHERE OUR KIDS PLAY.
17:39:35 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
17:39:39 >> HELLO, SUE BOYNTON.
17:39:43 6832 SOUTH BART STREET IN TAMPA, 33611.
17:39:47 I AM CALLING ABOUT THE OVERBUILDING GOING ON SOUTH OF
17:39:47 GANDY.
17:39:49 I LIVED IN PORT TAMPA MY WHOLE LIFE.
17:39:50 THAT IS 62 YEARS.
17:39:54 I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT NOTHING LIKE WHAT IS
17:39:54 GOING ON.
17:40:00 OUR STREETS CAN'T HANDLE THIS OVERFLOW OF PEOPLE NOW.
17:40:03 MORE BUILDING WORRIES ME HOW WE ARE ALL GOING TO
17:40:06 EVACUATE IN CASE OF A SUDDEN EMERGENCY.
17:40:11 PLEASE THINK OF OUR SAFETY AND OUR COMMUNITY AND
17:40:15 RECONSIDER A LOT OF THIS BUILDING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
17:40:19 THANK YOU.
17:40:23 >> MY NAME IS BENJAMIN GILLIC.
17:40:29 I RESIDE 7211 SOUTH SAINT PATRICK STREET TAMPA, 33616,
17:40:31 THE AREA KNOWN AS SOUTH OF GANDY.
17:40:34 AND MY COMMENT PERTAINS TO WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE
17:40:39 NUMBER 65 ON THURSDAY'S AGENDA WHICH PERTAINS TO THE
17:40:41 PROPOSED MORATORIUM.
17:40:45 AS IT PERTAINS TO APPROVAL OF -- OF LARGE APARTMENT
17:40:48 COMPLEXES AND OF THAT NATURE.
17:40:51 I HAVE E-MAILED THE TAMPA COUNCIL, AS WELL AS MAYOR
17:40:54 CASTOR WITH REGARDS TO THIS ISSUE.
17:40:59 BUT I ALSO WANTED TO VOICE IT THAT I STRONGLY OPPOSE
17:41:03 ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL OR ANYTHING OF THAT
17:41:08 NATURE WITH REGARDS TO THESE LARGE MULTIFAMILY
17:41:12 APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE GOING IN, AT AND AROUND
17:41:14 SOUTH OF GANDY AND JUST NORTH OF IT.
17:41:18 THEY ARE CREATING A SIGNIFICANT BURDEN AND PROBLEM IN A
17:41:22 VARIETY OF WAYS FOR THE RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY TRAFFIC,
17:41:26 BUT THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH INCREASED PROBLEMS WITH
17:41:30 OVERDEVELOPMENT SUCH AS ISSUES OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH
17:41:32 GROCERY STORES AND RESTAURANTS AND BARS.
17:41:35 WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THOSE
17:41:35 EITHER.
17:41:40 CURRENTLY AS THE COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, THERE
17:41:44 ARE ZERO MAJOR SUPERMARKETS OR GROCERY STORES SOUTH OF
17:41:48 GANDY YET THERE ARE SOME, I BELIEVE, 5,000 NEW
17:41:52 APARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE 2016.
17:41:57 ALMOST ZERO EXPANSION OF THE ROADWAYS TO ACCOMMODATE
17:42:01 THESE INCLUDING ANY SORT OF TURN LANES TO GET IN AND
17:42:01 OUT.
17:42:04 OTHER THAN THE SELMON CONNECTOR.
17:42:08 SO THE ROADS CANNOT SUPPORT ALL OF THESE NEW
17:42:12 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COMING OR PLANNING ON MOVING INTO
17:42:13 SOUTH TAMPA.
17:42:18 SO BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES WITH -- WITH APARTMENT
17:42:21 COMPLEXES AND THE LIKE FOR MULTIFAMILIES, I STRONGLY
17:42:26 OPPOSE IT AND I AM IN FAVOR OF A MORATORIUM UNTIL SUCH
17:42:29 TIME AS SOUTH TAMPA CAN SUPPORT THOUSANDS UPON
17:42:31 THOUSANDS OF NEW RESIDENTS.
17:42:35 NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, BUT, AGAIN, IN TERMS OF
17:42:38 THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY WILL NECESSARILY NEED,
17:42:42 INCLUDING GROCERY STORES, BARS, RESTAURANTS, THINGS OF
17:42:45 THAT NATURE WHICH THEY HAVE NOT EXPANDED ON IN THE AREA
17:42:48 TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT EXPANSION.
17:42:53 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:42:57 >> HELLO, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE SIMPSON, A RESIDENT OF
17:42:58 THE SOG.
17:43:02 3916 TREASURE CIRCLE.
17:43:05 AND I AM CALLING REGARDING THE -- REGARDING THE
17:43:07 OVERBUILDING OF SOUTH OF GANDY.
17:43:08 I AM A RESIDENT.
17:43:13 MY FOURTH YEAR -- SHORT-TERM BUT PLANTED IN THIS
17:43:16 COMMUNITY INVOLVED, AND WITHIN THE SHORT FOUR YEARS,
17:43:19 THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH CHANGE.
17:43:22 THERE HAVE BEEN IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS,
17:43:26 WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERCROWDING AND SAFETY OF
17:43:29 EVACUATION FROM THE CITY.
17:43:31 I ALSO WORK ON BASE.
17:43:34 I AM A U.S. ARMY VETERAN.
17:43:37 AND I AM CONTINUING TO SERVE.
17:43:41 AND IF WE ONLY HAVE ONE MAIN ARTERY UP AND DOWN SOUTH
17:43:49 OF GANDY, 33611 AND 33616, BASICALLY -- THERE IS, WHAT,
17:43:54 20,000 MORE -- 2,000 MORE CONDOS GOING UP ALL UP AND
17:43:59 DOWN WEST SHORE AND IT NEEDS TO BE FOUR LANES AND SO
17:44:02 DOES MANHATTAN JUST OF GANDY.
17:44:06 IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE A SAFE EVACUATION SO WE DO
17:44:11 NOT HAVE TO USE THE MILITARY TO AIR-LIFT US FOR SAFETY
17:44:11 REASONS.
17:44:14 AND OVERALL, THE OVERCROWDING.
17:44:17 THERE IS ROUGHLY BETWEEN 10,000 AND 16,000 CURRENT
17:44:22 EMPLOYEES ON MANDRILL AIR BASE TRYING TO LEAVE GOING
17:44:27 DOWN DALE MABRY AND BAYSHORE AND MANHATTAN AND FOR
17:44:31 GANDY AND FOR HOURS AFTER WORK IT IS OVERCROWDED.
17:44:35 WE ASK FOR THE STOPPING OF THE OVERBUILDING SOUTH OF
17:44:39 GANDY AND CREATING WAYS TO IMPROVE THE TRANSPORTATION
17:44:44 AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH OF
17:44:45 CANDY.
17:44:48 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.
17:44:49 BYE.
17:44:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
17:44:54 >> HI, MY NAME IS JENNIFER MILLER.
17:45:03 I LIVE AT 7613 SOUTH FITZGERALD STREET, IT -- TAMPA,
17:45:05 FLORIDA, 33616.
17:45:08 I AM IN THE LANDINGS OF PORT TAMPA AND ASKING THAT YOU
17:45:11 ALL PLEASE PERFORM SOME MORE RESEARCH AND STOP
17:45:14 OVERBUILDING SOUTH OF GANDY.
17:45:17 WE HAVE SO MANY APARTMENTS AND TRAFFIC IS ALREADY
17:45:19 INCREASED GREATLY.
17:45:23 BUT THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH EVACUATIONS IN
17:45:28 CASE OF HURRICANE OR OTHER NATURAL DISASTER.
17:45:32 PLEASE DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND WAIT FOR THE
17:45:36 FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THE LIGHT POLLUTION, THE IMPACT ON
17:45:40 WILDLIFE AND CONSERVATION AREAS, AS WELL AS HURRICANE
17:45:44 EVACUATION ZONES BEFORE BUILDING ANY FURTHER
17:45:47 DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF GANDY BOULEVARD.
17:45:51 THANK YOU.
17:45:54 >> HI, MY NAME IS CAROL GORDON.
17:45:59 I LIVE AT 2212 EAST IDLEWILD AVENUE IN TAMPA.
17:46:02 I AM A FIFTH GENERATION TAMPANIAN.
17:46:09 MY GRANDMOTHER'S GRANDFATHER WAS THE MAYOR 1876.
17:46:12 MY ROOTS GO VERY DEEP IN TAMPA AND I HAVE WATCHED OUR
17:46:15 CITY BUILD AND BUILD AND OTHER AREAS BE NEGLECTED.
17:46:18 AND SOME AREAS OVERGROWN COMPLETELY.
17:46:22 AND I STAND WITH THE SOG THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE
17:46:27 OVERGROWN WITH MORE APARTMENTS, MORE APARTMENTS, MORE
17:46:28 APARTMENTS.
17:46:33 ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC AND THE ENVIRONMENT,
17:46:37 EMERGENCY EVACUATION, SCHOOLS, ALL OF OUR EMERGENCY
17:46:42 PERSONNEL, AND ALASKA TO THEM.
17:46:45 MY GROUP SEMINOLE HEIGHTS EAST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION
17:46:49 WAS AT COUNCIL LAST WEEK OPPOSING AN APARTMENT BEING
17:46:53 CRAMMED IN A SMALL AREA ON A LOCAL ROAD.
17:46:57 SO WE KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT THAT IS LIKE WHEN YOU GO UP
17:47:01 AGAINST DEVELOPERS WITH MONEY AND WITH PULL WITHIN OUR
17:47:02 OWN GOVERNMENT.
17:47:06 SO I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE, PLEASE OBSERVE AND DO THE
17:47:09 RIGHT THING.
17:47:12 PUT A MORATORIUM OR CURB.
17:47:15 AND DON'T CHANGE THE ZONING ON SOME OF THESE AREAS.
17:47:19 DEVELOPERS ARE NOW ASKING FOR NO ZONING GUIDELINES.
17:47:23 WHICH WILL LOSE A BIG DEPARTMENT IN TAMPA WOULDN'T IT.
17:47:30 CAROL GORDON STANDING WITH SOG, 813-778-9874.
17:47:38 THANK YOU.
17:47:38 >> HELLO.
17:47:42 MY NAME IS DIANE MALINE.
17:47:48 AND I LIVE ON WEST PRICE AVENUE, SOUTH OF GANDY.
17:47:54 I LIVED HERE SINCE -- WELL, IN SOUTH TAMPA SINCE 2003.
17:47:58 AND IT USED TO BE A QUAINT LITTLE PLACE.
17:48:05 SINCE THEN, I NOW HEAR THE ROAR OF GANDY AND DALE MABRY
17:48:08 IN THE MORNINGS DURING RUSH HOUR.
17:48:14 I SEE BEFORE HURRICANES LIVING IN SOUTH TAMPA, WE HAVE
17:48:16 BEEN UNABLE TO GET GAS.
17:48:21 I HAVE SEEN STREET FLOODING INCREASE.
17:48:25 WILDLIFE BEING DISPLACED.
17:48:29 AND I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK.
17:48:34 A ONE-YEAR BREAK AND LOOK AT WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT IS
17:48:38 DOING IN TERMS OF WATER MANAGEMENT.
17:48:40 AND PEOPLE MANAGEMENT.
17:48:43 HURRICANE EVACUATION MANAGEMENT.
17:48:48 THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF MANDRILL EVERY MORNING.
17:48:50 THE 6,000 CARS.
17:48:53 EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE HAVE MORE THAN ONE CAR.
17:48:58 AND THE CONGESTION HAS CREATED TENSION AMONG RESIDENTS
17:49:06 AND INCREASED ROAD RAGE, PEDESTRIAN DEATHS BAYSHORE.
17:49:10 YOU WALK DOWN THE STREETS WITH NO SIDEWALKS AND NO
17:49:15 BUFFER BETWEEN YOU AND THE TRAFFIC.
17:49:17 PEOPLE SPLASHING WATER ON YOU.
17:49:19 NO PLACE FOR PEDESTRIANS ANYMORE.
17:49:23 AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT SAFE WALKING INTO -- ON
17:49:25 TO THE SIDEWALKS AND ON THE STREETS.
17:49:26 LET'S JUST TAKE A PAUSE.
17:49:30 LET'S LOOK AT THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN, EVACUATION
17:49:32 PLAN.
17:49:34 THE WILDLIFE DISPLACEMENT.
17:49:39 THE NOISE POLLUTION.
17:49:44 THE -- WHERE IS THE SOLAR ON THESE NEW MULTIMILLION
17:49:45 DOLLAR HOMES?
17:49:47 WHERE ARE THE PROGRAMS FOR THAT?
17:49:51 I HAVE SOLAR ON MY HOUSE AND I HAD TO SEEK OUT AN
17:49:54 APPROPRIATE SOLAR BROKER TO GET THAT DONE.
17:49:59 AND MY HOUSE IS NOT EVEN A $500,000 HOME.
17:50:04 LET'S SUPPORT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND HAVE LIVED
17:50:07 HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
17:50:11 AND, HOPEFULLY, YOU WILL DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE A
17:50:15 BREAK FROM ALL THIS MADNESS AND LET THE DUST SETTLE.
17:50:17 I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN FLORIDA.
17:50:18 IT IS A BEAUTIFUL STATE.
17:50:22 BUT THE SOUTH OF GANDY -- THE SOUTH OF GANDY
17:50:28 NEIGHBORHOOD CANNOT SUPPORT THIS MASS COMPLEX
17:50:28 DEVELOPMENT.
17:50:33 THANK YOU.
17:50:36 >> HI, MY NAME IS CAMERON MCNABB, AND LIVE IN BELL
17:50:40 MARK GARDENS AND CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 56, WHICH IS
17:50:46 THE MORATORIUM ON BUILDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS SOUTH OF
17:50:47 BAY TO BAY.
17:50:51 AND I WANT TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS MORATORIUM.
17:50:54 IN MY OWN AREA, WE ARE EXPERIENCING MAJOR
17:50:58 INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES BOTH WITH TRAFFIC AND STORMWATER,
17:51:01 AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS EVEN MORE BUILDINGS STILL
17:51:03 HAPPENING ON WEST SHORE.
17:51:06 AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALSO SEVERAL STUDIES THAT ARE
17:51:10 STILL KIND OF COMING IN TO TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABLE
17:51:11 GROWTH IN THE AREA.
17:51:15 AND SO I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT.
17:51:18 I AM FOURTH GENERATION NATIVE OF TAMPA.
17:51:20 MY DAUGHTER IS FIFTH.
17:51:23 AND WE HAVE SEEN THE KIND OF GROWTH THAT HAS BEEN
17:51:23 HAPPENING.
17:51:27 AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS DONE IN A WAY
17:51:29 THAT IS RESPECTFUL TO ITS CITIZENS.
17:51:33 IT IS MULTIGENERATIONAL CITIZENS.
17:51:36 IN A WAY THAT IS SUSTAINABLE FOR THE FUTURE.
17:51:37 SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
17:51:41 BYE.
17:51:45 >> THIS RELATES TO ITEM NUMBER 56.
17:51:49 AND THE OVERBUILDING OF SOUTH.
17:51:54 MY NAME IS MIRANDA LESEY.
17:52:04 AND LOCATED 5014 WEST LANCASTER STREET IN TAMPA, 33616.
17:52:08 I AM VOICING MY CONCERN ABOUT OVERBUILDING IN SOUTH.
17:52:17 THEY ARE BUILDING WHERE WATER AREAS ARE NORMALLY AT AND
17:52:20 WHEN -- WHEN RAINS COME.
17:52:24 ALL THE CONCRETE JUST MOVES THE WATER INTO THE STREETS
17:52:31 AND INTO OUR HOMES THERE HAS BEEN MASSIVE FLOODING AT
17:52:34 THIS LOCATION SINCE THEY STARTED BUILDING AT THE CORNER
17:52:36 OF WEST SHORE AND INTERBAY.
17:52:40 THIS MASSIVE COMPLEX THAT NOW SITS AT -- WHERE THERE
17:52:44 USED TO BE WETLANDS.
17:52:51 WE HAD 25 FAMILIES TO MOVE OUT AND STILL GONE SINCE THE
17:52:58 NOVEMBER 12 RAINFALL.
17:53:01 AND WE ARE ALL POINTING TO THE OVERBUILDING OF THIS
17:53:04 HUGE COMPLEX THAT IS -- THAT WAS -- THAT IS NOW ON WHAT
17:53:06 USED TO BE WETLANDS.
17:53:10 WE TRIED TO VOICE OUR OPINION ABOUT IT WHEN WE GOT
17:53:11 NOTICED.
17:53:15 BUT WHEN WE CALLED JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER WE GOT
17:53:19 NOTICED, WE WERE TOLD IT WAS ALREADY IN PROCESS AND
17:53:21 THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO.
17:53:27 THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
17:53:31 I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
17:53:38 AN MY PHONE NUMBER 813-842-0949.
17:53:43 813-842-0949.
17:53:47 I AM ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER PRESSURE AND
17:53:50 THE WATER THAT IS COMING THROUGH.
17:53:58 THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN UP BY ALL THESE COMPLEXES.
17:54:01 AND WILL WE HAVE THE WATER PRESSURE WE NORMALLY HAVE.
17:54:04 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO MY CONCERNS AND GOD
17:54:07 BLESS.
17:54:10 >> MY NAME IS CHERYL A. NORTON.
17:54:15 I LIVE AT 4008 WEST PEARL AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
17:54:17 33611.
17:54:20 I AM CALLING TO SUPPORT THE ONE-YEAR MORATORIUM ON
17:54:25 BUILDING OF MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES IN SOUTH TAMPA.
17:54:29 I ALSO AM IN SUPPORT OF REWRITING THE LAND USE PLAN FOR
17:54:33 BUILDING PLANS IN OUR AREA.
17:54:38 I LIVED HERE SINCE 1968 IN SOUTH -- IN DIFFERENT AREAS
17:54:39 OF SOUTH TAMPA.
17:54:41 I CURRENTLY LIVE IN SUN BAY.
17:54:45 TRAFFIC IN THE PAST TEN YEARS HAVE BEEN MAKING US
17:54:47 GRIDLOCKED HERE.
17:54:49 WE ARE BOTTLENECKED IN ALREADY.
17:54:52 WE ARE STUCK IN ANY EVACUATION.
17:54:55 THE NORTH AND SOUTH ROADWAYS HERE IN SOUTH TAMPA JUST
17:54:58 CAN'T HANDLE ANY MORE TRAFFIC, AND THEY CAN'T BE
17:55:01 WIDENED AND NOT ONLY THAT THE RESIDENTS IN SOUTH TAMPA
17:55:04 WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE WIDENED.
17:55:07 I DO HOPE THE MORATORIUM PASSES.
17:55:10 I THINK IT SHOULD BE PERMANENT, AND THE LAND USE PLAN,
17:55:13 PLEASE LOOK AT THAT AND AMEND IT SO IT WILL HOLD UP IN
17:55:14 COURT.
17:55:17 ADDITIONALLY, OUR FLOODING HAS BECOME WORSE IN SOUTH
17:55:20 TAMPA BECAUSE OF THE OVERBUILDING.
17:55:22 AND MORE COASTAL BUILDING WILL ALSO BRING MORE BOATING
17:55:26 TRAFFIC WHICH WILL AFFECT OUR SEAGRASSES, WHICH ARE
17:55:30 JUST NOW BECOMING BETTER SINCE THE FISHING AND
17:55:35 SHRIMPING HAS BEEN LIMITED I THINK BACK IN THE '70S OR
17:55:36 '80S.
17:55:39 SO PLEASE PASS THE MORATORIUM ON BUILDING IN SOUTH
17:55:39 TAMPA.
17:55:43 THE SOUTH TAMPA RESIDENTS LOVE OUR AREA AND IT IS BEING
17:55:44 OVERRUN.
17:55:48 WE ARE FULL AND CANNOT HANDLE ANY MORE MULTIFAMILY
17:55:49 COMPLEXES.
17:55:50 PLEASE.
17:55:53 YOU ARE RUINING OUR PARADISE HERE ON OUR PENINSULA.
17:55:58 THANK YOU.
17:56:00 >> MY NAME IS CLAIRE BENNETT.
17:56:05 AND MY FAMILY LIVES ON THE CORNER OF SHAMROCK ROAD AND
17:56:07 INTERBAY BOULEVARD.
17:56:12 I AM CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 65 FOR THE ONE-YEAR
17:56:17 MORATORIUM ON APARTMENT BUILDINGS BEING BUILT DOWN
17:56:18 HERE.
17:56:23 WE HAVE A HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS BEING BUILT ON
17:56:25 WEST SHORE AND PRESCOTT.
17:56:30 WE HAVE A TWO-LANE ROAD WEST -- ON WEST SHORE BOULEVARD
17:56:37 THAT ABSOLUTELY -- I AM PERPLEXED HOW THE TRAFFIC WILL
17:56:40 BE HANDLED AT THE LIGHT OF GANDY AND WEST SHORE
17:56:41 BOULEVARD.
17:56:52 EVEN MANHATTAN AND GANDY, I AM VERY CONCERNED OF THE
17:56:55 ABILITY OF BUILDERS TO BUILD APARTMENT COMPLEXES OF
17:56:58 THIS SIZE.
17:56:59 PLEASE STOP THIS.
17:57:07 WE MUST DO A STUDY OF IMPACT FOR TRAFFIC OF IMPACT FOR
17:57:11 HURRICANE EVACUATION.
17:57:16 ALL OF PINELLAS COUNTY WILL EVACUATE THROUGH THE HOWARD
17:57:19 FRANKLAND BRIDGE, THROUGH GANDY BRIDGE, THROUGH THE
17:57:25 COURTNEY CAMPBELL CAUSEWAY GOING EAST GOING AWAY FROM
17:57:28 THE COASTAL AREA DURING HIGH STORM TIMES.
17:57:33 WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT THE FLOODING
17:57:38 IMPACT AS THESE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE BUILT UP.
17:57:43 AND WHERE WILL THE WATER SHED BE BUT AT THE SINGLE
17:57:48 FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE AND PURCHASED BY
17:57:51 REGULAR CITIZENS WHO ARE ROOTED HERE IN PORT TAMPA
17:57:52 CITY.
17:58:01 I AM ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE THIS MORATORIUM.
17:58:02 THAT IT BE DONE.
17:58:09 THAT NOT ONE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEX BE BUILT FOR ONE
17:58:14 FULL YEAR AND THEN A PROMISE TO RE-EVALUATE THIS BEFORE
17:58:17 THE YEAR IS UP.
17:58:18 THANK YOU.
17:58:24 MY NUMBER 813-956-6874.
17:58:25 CLAIRE BENNETT.
17:58:28 CALLING ON FEBRUARY 1.
17:58:31 AND THE TIME IS 6:59 P.M.
17:58:35 THANK YOU.
17:58:39 >> HELLO, MY NAME IS MEREDITH WHITE.
17:58:42 I AM A RESIDENT OF SUN BAY SOUTH IN THE SOUTH OF GANDY
17:58:44 AREA.
17:58:49 I AM CALLING BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO
17:58:53 SUPPORT THE MORATORIUM ON THE FOUR ADDITIONAL STUDIES
17:59:00 THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA FOR
17:59:01 NEW APARTMENT BUILDS.
17:59:06 THERE ARE ADDITIONAL 2,000 APARTMENTS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN
17:59:09 BEEN BUILT YET THAT ARE IN PROGRESS.
17:59:14 THIS.PUTTING A HUGE ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC, WITH COASTAL
17:59:18 FLOODING AND MOST ESPECIALLY WITH EVACUATION.
17:59:20 IT IS A BOTTLENECK ON THERE.
17:59:21 WE ARE ON A PENINSULA.
17:59:27 AND BUILDING MORE APARTMENTS, MULTIDWELLING RESIDENTIAL
17:59:31 BUILDINGS TO SUPPORT A POPULATION OF RESIDENTS THAT
17:59:36 CANNOT BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE
17:59:37 CATASTROPHIC.
17:59:41 THIS IS ALREADY CAUSING AN ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC, WITH
17:59:44 PEOPLE SPEED THROUGH RESIDENTIAL STREETS, RUNNING STOP
17:59:46 SIGNS.
17:59:49 AND WE HAVE YET TO SEE THE LARGE IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE
17:59:53 DURING A HURRICANE EVACUATION OR A NATURAL DISASTER.
17:59:59 SO I AM ASKING TO PLEASE SUPPORT THE MORATORIUM, TO
18:00:03 HOLD OFF ON APPROVING ANY ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL
18:00:08 CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY MULTIDWELLING BUILDINGS UNTIL
18:00:12 THESE FOUR STUDIES CAN BE COMPLETED MEREDITH WHITE
18:00:21 813-716-3559 IF FURTHER COMMENT IS NEEDED.
18:00:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DID IT.
18:00:24 THE LAST OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
18:00:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW STAFF IS GLAD.
18:00:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
18:00:31 I JUST HAVE ONE REQUEST, AND I DON'T REQUEST FOR MUCH.
18:00:35 IT IS 6:00, CAN WE SET A GOAL BY GETTING OUT OF HERE BY
18:00:36 7:00.
18:00:38 IF WE SPEED THINGS ALONG, WE CAN DO IT.
18:00:41 HAVING SAID THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
18:00:45 FROM COUNCILMEMBERS REGARDING THIS MORATORIUM ISSUE?
18:00:49 ANY MOTIONS THAT COUNCIL WISHES TO MAKE OR TAKE THIS
18:00:54 DISCUSSION TO THE NEXT STEP?
18:01:01 COUNCILMAN CITRO, COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND COUNCILMAN
18:01:02 CARLSON.
18:01:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:01:06 I NEED TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND THEN COMMENTS ABOUT THIS
18:01:07 MORATORIUM.
18:01:10 NUMBER ONE, THE CONCERNS OF THE STAKEHOLDERS -- I DON'T
18:01:14 LIKE TO USE THE WORD "STAKEHOLDERS" EVEN THOUGH THEY
18:01:17 ARE, I WANT TO SAY RESIDENTS IN THE SOUTH OF GANDY IS
18:01:18 NOT NECESSARILY THE TRAFFIC.
18:01:21 EVEN THOUGH WE HEARD THAT TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
18:01:25 IT IS ALSO ABOUT RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, GROCERY STORES
18:01:28 AND AMENITIES, I.E. SCHOOLS.
18:01:31 THAT COME WITH MORE DENSITY.
18:01:37 WHERE ARE THE DEVELOPERS LIKE THE MIDTOWN DEVELOPERS
18:01:44 THAT HAVE GROCERY STORES, RETAIL, OFFICE, ALONG WITH
18:01:45 LIVING?
18:01:48 WHERE ARE THE DEVELOPERS LIKE THE NEW WEST SHORE
18:01:49 EXPERIENCE.
18:01:54 WHERE THEY HAVE RETAIL, HOUSING, OFFICE, ALL OF THE
18:01:55 SAME LOCATIONS.
18:02:03 HOW CAN AN AREA SUCH AS SOG BE WALKABLE AND BIKEABLE IF
18:02:07 YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ONLY TO GET BACK IN YOUR CAR TO
18:02:09 GO TO A GROCERY STORE.
18:02:12 THEY ARE ASKING FOR DEVELOPERS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE
18:02:17 INTO THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT THEY THEMSELVES ARE
18:02:18 CAUSING.
18:02:24 THIS IS MY TAKEAWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH OF
18:02:26 GANDY.
18:02:28 NOW BACK TO THE MORATORIUM.
18:02:33 I THINK THE BROAD BRUSH OF BAY TO BAY SOUTH IS A LITTLE
18:02:34 OUTREACHING.
18:02:37 I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IT IF IT WAS IN THE COASTAL HIGH
18:02:42 HAZARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
18:02:45 NOT ONLY SOUTH OF -- OF GANDY.
18:02:48 AND LIMITED TO 20 UNITS OR MORE.
18:02:53 I FEEL THAT FOUR UNITS OR MORE IS A LITTLE OUTREACHING
18:02:55 ALSO.
18:03:02 AT LEAST UNTIL THE IMPACT STUDIES ARE PRESENTED TO
18:03:04 COUNCIL.
18:03:09 I WILL SAY THAT PER STAFF'S REPORT, I DO LIKE THE --
18:03:17 THE PROPOSAL OF 30% RETAIL IN NEW MULTIUSE.
18:03:20 WITH THAT, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SPOKE MY PEACE.
18:03:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU COUNCILMAN VIERA AND
18:03:24 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
18:03:26 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
18:03:29 A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN SOME STATEMENTS.
18:03:31 I WAS TAKING NOTES THROUGHOUT THIS.
18:03:33 OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF FRUSTRATION THAT WE HEAR ABOUT IN
18:03:35 SOUTH TAMPA AND SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:03:38 I KNOW ABOUT THAT FRUSTRATION AS I WILL TALK ABOUT.
18:03:39 IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.
18:03:43 THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS CREATES A LEGALLY
18:03:45 DEFENSIBLE REMEDY.
18:03:48 AND THAT IS ULTIMATELY WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS.
18:03:51 WE KNOW THERE IS FRUSTRATION.
18:03:54 CAN THAT FRUSTRATION BE QUANTIFIED THAT IT CREATES AN
18:03:57 OPPORTUNITY ON THE PART OF THE CITY OF COMPANY TO
18:03:58 REMEDY THAT?
18:04:01 WHAT IS THAT PROPER REMEDY AND WILL THE REMEDY BE
18:04:02 DEFENSIBLE IN COURT.
18:04:05 WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT ATTORNEYS TALK ABOUT LAWSUITS
18:04:06 AND LITIGATION.
18:04:07 I TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
18:04:11 WE CAN SHOOT FOR THE MOON AND PROMISE THE MOON IF WE
18:04:14 CAN'T GET PAST SIX FEET, WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF
18:04:14 PROBLEMS.
18:04:18 THIS, TO ME, IS PART OF A VERY LONG -- I DON'T MEAN
18:04:22 VERY LONG, BUT A ROBUST PROCESS THAT HAS GOT TO BE VERY
18:04:26 THOUGHTFUL, GOT TO BE VERY CONTEMPLATIVE AND INVOLVED
18:04:28 AND VERY EDUCATIONAL.
18:04:32 AND COUNCILMAN CITRO TALKED ON THE FRUSTRATION OF SOME
18:04:35 DEVELOPERS NOT TAKING A LOOK AT RETAIL, ETC.
18:04:38 I THINK THERE HAS GOT TO BE EDUCATION ON BOTH SIDES IN
18:04:41 TERMS OF EXPECTATIONS, AS WELL AS REASONABLE
18:04:45 EXPECTATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO.
18:04:48 IN FACT, LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU
18:04:52 CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY,
18:04:55 THERE IS GOT TO BE A GOOD DIRECTION ON WHAT IS POSSIBLE
18:04:58 AND WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE FROM US AS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
18:05:00 AND FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA.
18:05:02 EXPECTATIONS ARE VERY HIGH.
18:05:05 AND WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PROMISE IS
18:05:08 SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO AND WHAT WILL
18:05:12 BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE IN COURT, BECAUSE IF IT IS NOT,
18:05:15 THOSE CHICKENS WILL COME HOME TO ROOST AND POINT THE
18:05:18 FINGER TO ALL OF US IF THE CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST
18:05:21 IF THIS IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY.
18:05:23 I THINK THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
18:05:26 WE HAVE GOT TO -- WE ARE PART OF -- WE ARE A BIG CITY.
18:05:27 WE ARE A GROWING CITY.
18:05:30 YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION IN OUR CITY.
18:05:34 YOU KNOW, I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN NEW TAMPA WHERE IN 1988,
18:05:38 WE HAVE ABOUT 7,000 PEOPLE LIVE OUT THERE TODAY.
18:05:41 I THINK 50,000, 60,000 PEOPLE.
18:05:45 YOU GO TO THE OUTER EDGES OF THE CITY TOWARD THE NORTH.
18:05:49 YOU HAVE FIRE STATIONS, 21, 22, 23, WHERE SOMETIMES IT
18:05:53 TAKES 15, 20 MINUTES FOR OUR FIRE FIGHTERS TO GET TO AN
18:05:53 EMERGENCY.
18:05:54 WHY IS THAT?
18:05:57 BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH THE BUILDING.
18:06:00 WE LET PEOPLE BUILD, BUILD, BUILD, BUILD, BUILD
18:06:04 THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND YET WE DON'T TALK OF
18:06:08 THE CORRESPONDING DUTIES THAT, NUMBER ONE, THE CITY OF
18:06:10 TAMPA HAS WITH THE TAX REVENUE WE COLLECT IN ORDER TO
18:06:12 BRING THE PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE.
18:06:16 THIS IS A CITYWIDE PROBLEM IN MANY, MANY WAYS.
18:06:19 IT HAS EXACERBATED SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:06:24 EXACERBATED IN SOUTH OF TAMPA AND TALKING CHANNELSIDE.
18:06:29 CHANNELSIDE MAYBE NOT TONIGHT PER SE AS A CENTRAL ISSUE
18:06:30 WITH FIRE STATION.
18:06:32 WE BUILD, BUILD, BUILD.
18:06:34 WHERE IS THE DARN FIRE STATION?
18:06:37 THIS IS PART OF A LARGER ISSUE WE HAVE GOT TO TALK
18:06:39 ABOUT AND BE VERY, VERY BIG ON.
18:06:42 A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW,
18:06:45 MY BIGGEST ISSUE WHENEVER I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE
18:06:50 STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS IS, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA
18:06:50 LAWS?
18:06:53 ANYTHING THAT WE VOTE ON HERE TONIGHT, I WILL BE ASKING
18:06:57 LEGAL THAT QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH
18:07:00 FLORIDA LAW AND IS IT LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.
18:07:03 TIMES WHEN WE PASS THINGS IN CITY COUNCIL AND GET
18:07:06 THREATS OF LITIGATION AND LAWSUIT.
18:07:08 I AM NO STRANGER.
18:07:12 IF LEGAL STAFF TELLS ME THAT IS LEGAL DEFENSIBLE, I
18:07:15 WILL RELY ON THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION AND THAT IS
18:07:20 CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TONIGHT.
18:07:24 A COUPLE OF THINGS, RULE 171.3.
18:07:28 IT INDICATES IF A PROPERTY IS 50% OR MORE IN THE
18:07:31 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, THEN YOU WERE IN THE COASTAL
18:07:33 HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:07:35 THE MAP THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE USING INCLUDE
18:07:40 PROPERTIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
18:07:43 AREA UNDER THIS RULE?
18:07:46 >>RANDY GOERS: THIS IS RANDY GOERS.
18:07:51 USE THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AS IT IS DEFINED IN
18:07:55 THE COMP PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
18:07:59 >>LUIS VIERA: UNDER 1.1.3 FOR 50% OR MORE?
18:08:00 >>RANDY GOERS: YES.
18:08:02 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.
18:08:06 HOW EASY IS IT FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO KNOW IF THEY ARE
18:08:10 IN THE HIGH HAZARD COASTAL AREA.
18:08:13 >> THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS NOT THE SCALE, BUT THEY
18:08:14 CONTACT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:08:16 THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF CAN EASILY LET THEM KNOW
18:08:20 IF THEY ARE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:08:24 IF THE PROPERTY IS BEING EXPLORED BY THAT BOUNDARY.
18:08:26 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL GO THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS REALLY
18:08:29 FAST AND SHORT ON TIME AND WHATNOT.
18:08:30 NOTES I TOOK ON THIS.
18:08:33 ST. PETERSBURG WAS MENTIONED, AND I WAS DOING BEFORE
18:08:35 SOME RESEARCH ON ST. PETERSBURG.
18:08:38 WHAT WAS THEIR APPROACH TO THIS?
18:08:40 IF YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT IF THAT CAN GIVE US ANY
18:08:46 GUIDANCE AT ALL.
18:08:50 >> I WILL LET CATE DO THAT ONE.
18:08:51 >>CATE WELLS: I AM FAMILIAR WITH ST. PETERSBURG.
18:08:54 THEY USED TO HAVE A PROVISION OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
18:08:57 THAT PROHIBITED ANY COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD
18:09:01 ALLOW FOR INCREASE OF DENSITY BEYOND THE BASE, AND THEY
18:09:05 ACTUALLY TAKEN A INVENTORY WHEN THAT PROVISION.
18:09:09 AN INVENTORY OF WHAT THAT BASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WAS.
18:09:14 RECENTLY THEY AMENDED THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO
18:09:19 REMOVE THAT PROHIBITION AND PROPERTY OWNERS CAN APPLY
18:09:24 FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
18:09:30 AND TO ENACT DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO STRENGTHEN HOW
18:09:34 STRUCTURES WERE BUILT WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
18:09:34 AREA.
18:09:36 THEY TOOK A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
18:09:39 AND THEY -- THEY PATTERNED IT AFTER THE CITY OF
18:09:41 NORFOLK, VIRGINIA PARK.
18:09:43 I BELIEVE NORFOLK WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES THAT
18:09:45 REALLY LOOKED AT HOW DO YOU BUILD MORE SUSTAINABILITY
18:09:50 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA OR FLOOD PLAINS.
18:09:54 THEY WOULD LOOK AT ISSUES LIKE GENERATORS.
18:09:57 AND JUST STRENGTHENING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
18:10:01 THE IDEA BEING THERE IS A STRUCTURE TO GO BACK TO ONCE
18:10:06 THE HURRICANE IS GONE AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A BUILDING
18:10:08 TO MOVE INTO AND RESIDE IN INSTEAD OF HAVING TO
18:10:09 REBUILD.
18:10:10 IT WAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
18:10:15 AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SPOKE TO ST.
18:10:15 PETE.
18:10:20 AND THE DIFFERENT TRAJECTORY THAT WAS TAKEN THERE
18:10:24 RECOGNIZING WHEN FEMA MAPS WERE UPDATED, SIGNIFICANT
18:10:26 PORTION OF THE CITY WAS INCLUDED IN THE COASTAL HIGH
18:10:27 HAZARD AREA.
18:10:30 AND THE INTENT WAS NEVER TO PROHIBIT DEVELOPMENT IN
18:10:32 SUCH A BROAD AREA.
18:10:36 I THINK IN ST. PETE, APPROXIMATELY 40% OF THE CITY
18:10:38 FALLS WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:10:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:10:42 AND I LOOKED AT THE FLORIDA BAR SITE FOR THIS.
18:10:44 BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF THE HARRIS ACT.
18:10:45 TO BE HONEST.
18:10:47 I LOOKED UP THE HARRIS ACT.
18:10:51 AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF ATTORNEYS WHO I THINK WE ALL
18:10:55 RESPECT TALK ABOUT MAKING LANDOWNERS WHOLE UNDER THE
18:10:56 HARRIS ACT.
18:11:00 ANY PROHIBITION INDICATE THE BURT HARRIS ACT AND PUT
18:11:04 THE CITY -- ON THE HOOK FOR MONETARY DAMAGES FOR
18:11:08 COMPENSATION FOR RECLAMATION OR BURDENSOME REGULATION
18:11:10 THAT TAKE AWAY PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS?
18:11:14 >> THE ACTION BEING CONSIDERED TODAY BASED ON COUNCIL'S
18:11:19 MOTION GOING BACK TO DECEMBER 3 IS TO PLACE WHAT SHALL
18:11:24 WHETHER YOU CALL IT A MORATORIUM OR ABATEMENT, NET
18:11:25 RESULT IS SAME.
18:11:28 A PAUSE ON THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPLICATIONS OF REZONINGS
18:11:30 AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
18:11:35 THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE WITH REGARD TO THE BURT HARRIS
18:11:40 ACT IS ONE LOOKS AT WHAT YOUR REASONABLE INVESTMENT
18:11:43 BACK EXPECTATIONS ARE AT THE TIME YOU PURCHASE THE
18:11:43 PROPERTY.
18:11:46 IF YOU HAVE TO RELY ON GETTING A VARIANCE, IF YOU HAVE
18:11:50 TO RELY ON GETTING A REZONINGS OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
18:11:53 AMENDMENT THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION WHAT REASONABLE
18:11:55 EXPECTED BACKED EXPECTATIONS ARE.
18:11:59 IF YOU NEED FURTHER APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE
18:12:02 LAND, AND TYPICALLY THE COURTS WILL LOOK AT HOW ONE CAN
18:12:05 DEVELOP THE LAND AS OF RIGHT AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE.
18:12:08 BASED UPON THOSE REGULATION THAT'S EXIST.
18:12:11 AND NOT BASED UPON FUTURE APPROVALS BY THE LOCAL
18:12:13 GOVERNMENT.
18:12:16 SO IT IS JUST A VERY GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BURT
18:12:17 HARRIS ACT.
18:12:20 >>LUIS VIERA: BUT TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, WOULD THINK ANY
18:12:23 OF THE MORATORIUMS AND REFORMS THAT WE ARE TALKING
18:12:28 ABOUT TONIGHT IMPLICATE THE HARRIS ACT?
18:12:31 >>CATE WELLS: THAT IS A PRETTY BROAD QUESTION THAT I
18:12:32 AM NOT PREPARED TO ANSWER THIS EVENING.
18:12:34 >>LUIS VIERA: WHENEVER WE VOTE ON SOMETHING
18:12:37 SPECIFICALLY, WHEN WE HAVE SPECIFICS.
18:12:39 I WILL REQUIRE FURTHER IN THAT REGARD.
18:12:42 ANOTHER THING, IF WE ARE -- THE ADMINISTRATION'S
18:12:45 PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID WAS ABOUT
18:12:48 MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS.
18:12:50 THIS COUNCIL ALWAYS SAYS HAVE YOU MET WITH THE
18:12:53 COMMUNITY, AND THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IF WE ARE
18:12:58 TAKING A LOOK AT MAJOR CHANGES WITH PROPERTY RIGHTS
18:13:02 THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA PERSPECTIVELY IF WE CHOOSE
18:13:05 TO GO DOWN TO ROUTE, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT
18:13:08 NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE PEOPLE GOT TO INQUIRE AND LET
18:13:11 FOLKS KNOW HOW TO FEEL, ETC.
18:13:13 AND THAT IS IT AT THIS TIME.
18:13:16 I HAVE A BUNCH OF NOTES HERE BUT I KNOW WE WANT TO GO
18:13:18 ON THROUGH AND I WILL LET OTHER FOLKS SPEAK.
18:13:18 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
18:13:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:13:23 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
18:13:27 >>BILL CARLSON: THE -- THE FOLKS SOUTH OF GANDY HAVE
18:13:30 BEEN TELLING US OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT THEY
18:13:34 WANT RELIEF, THEY WANT TEMPORARY RELIEF AND THEY WANT
18:13:38 LONG-TERM PLANNING.
18:13:42 COUNCILMAN CITRO MENTIONED THEY WANT AMENITIES THAT IS
18:13:44 PART OF THE PLANNING THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RECRUIT
18:13:48 ALDI STORES OR WHATEVER, PHARMACIES, OTHER THINGS THAT
18:13:51 WILL KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO DRIVE TO GANDY OR
18:13:52 WHEREVER.
18:13:58 THIS SOLUTION THAT IS IN FRONT OF US, I THINK, BECAUSE
18:14:00 OF LEGAL REASONS OR WHATEVER, INCLUDES THE WHOLE
18:14:04 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND CERTAINLY BRINGS UP A
18:14:10 BUNCH OF ISSUES AND CONSTITUENTS AND I AGREE WITH
18:14:14 COUNCILMAN VIERA OF ENGAGING COMMUNITY PIECE.
18:14:17 WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ENGAGING ON SOUTH OF GANDY
18:14:20 ISSUES BUT INCLUDING A BUNCH OF OTHER AREAS THAT NOBODY
18:14:23 WHO ASKED FOR THIS WANTED US TO INCLUDE.
18:14:26 AND I WISH WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION JUST FOR
18:14:28 SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:14:31 A TEMPORARY SOLUTION AND A LONGER-TERM SOLUTION.
18:14:36 IT SEEMS UNNECESSARY TO CARRY THIS BURDEN THROUGHOUT
18:14:39 OTHER VALUABLE PARTS OF THE CITY.
18:14:42 THANK YOU.
18:14:44 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:14:47 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
18:14:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEVER WANT TO HAVE THE CITY IN A
18:14:51 POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOSS.
18:14:54 AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE FACTORS IN
18:14:55 FROM LEGAL.
18:14:58 I DO THINK THAT THE APPROACH WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE
18:15:02 COMMUNITY AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, BUT IN THIS
18:15:04 ISSUE, YOU MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
18:15:07 COIN TOO, AND SEE WHAT KIND OF COMPROMISES CAN BE MADE.
18:15:11 DECISIONS ARE ALWAYS MADE WITH COMPROMISES AND MAYBE WE
18:15:16 NEED TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOPERS PERSPECTIVES AND THE
18:15:18 COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVES.
18:15:20 AND SOUTH OF GANDY TALKS OF GROCERY STORES.
18:15:23 WE STILL HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT GROCERY STORES.
18:15:25 AMENITIES.
18:15:26 COMMUNITIES WANT AMENITIES.
18:15:29 THEY JUST DON'T WANT BUILDING, BUT THINGS THAT COME
18:15:33 WITH THAT, TO HAVE A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS SOME PLACE AND
18:15:35 PEOPLE STILL CAN'T GET FOOD.
18:15:40 THEY CAN'T BE ABLE TO GO TO A NICE CIGAR BAR.
18:15:41 AND THAT COMMUNITY.
18:15:45 THEY CAN'T GO TO A LOCAL STORE IN THAT COMMUNITY, THIS
18:15:46 IS THE NEW ERA NOW.
18:15:49 PEOPLE WANT THOSE AMENITIES.
18:15:50 AND ALSO MR. VIERA.
18:15:52 THE POINT AND CITRO TOO.
18:15:56 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE BIG BUILDS BUILDINGS WANT
18:15:57 TO GO UP.
18:16:01 I DON'T SEE A DEVELOPER SAY I WANT TO PUT A FIRE
18:16:02 STATION.
18:16:04 I DON'T SEE THAT.
18:16:07 I THINK THAT HAS TO BE APPROACHED THAT THE CITY ITSELF
18:16:09 NEED TO LOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ARE TALKING
18:16:12 ABOUT DOWNTOWN, CHANNELSIDE.
18:16:14 YOU KNOW, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ALL THESE
18:16:17 PEOPLE AND BUILDING ALL THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
18:16:19 WELL, PEOPLE NEED SERVICES.
18:16:21 PEOPLE GET SICK.
18:16:22 WHERE IS THE AMBULANCE COMING FROM?
18:16:26 WHEN ONE GOES OUT, WHERE IS THE OTHER ONE COMING FROM?
18:16:28 MAYBE MILES AWAY BEFORE THEY GET THERE.
18:16:33 A LOT OF THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
18:16:33 DEVELOPMENT.
18:16:34 I LIKE DEVELOPMENT.
18:16:36 BUT GOOD DEVELOPMENT.
18:16:38 DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FASTER A GOOD
18:16:39 COMMUNITY.
18:16:42 DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND UNDERSTAND FOR THE COMMUNITY.
18:16:45 SO I THINK THE CONVERSATION HAS TO BE, HOW DO WE MEET
18:16:49 EVERYBODY IN THE MIDDLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION
18:16:52 VERSUS ONE SIDE IS MAD AND ONE SIDE FEELS THAT OUR
18:16:54 COUNCILMEMBERS ARE NOT LISTENING TO US.
18:16:58 WE ARE FALLS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD SOMETIMES.
18:16:59 WE HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE.
18:17:03 WHAT I HATE TO HEAR IS WE VOTED FOR YOU.
18:17:05 BUT SOMETIMES OUR HANDS ARE TIED EVEN THOUGH YOU VOTED
18:17:08 FOR US, OUR HANDS ARE TIED SOMETIMES.
18:17:09 I THINK THIS SITUATION HERE.
18:17:12 HAS TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION TO WHERE YOU HAVE THE
18:17:17 DEVELOPERS, THOSE COMMUNITY LEADERS TO SEE WHAT AND HOW
18:17:20 WE CAN COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE TO MAKE EVERYBODY
18:17:20 HAPPY.
18:17:24 AND, AGAIN, THE CITY WILL HAVE CONVERSATION -- TALK OF
18:17:26 PUTTING BUILDINGS PLACES AND PACKING PEOPLE IN.
18:17:29 WE NEED TO LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC SERVICES TO
18:17:32 SEE HOW WE CAN BE ABLE TO ARRANGE THAT WHEN DEVELOPERS
18:17:36 WANT TO BUILD -- SOME KIND OF INCENTIVES OR WHATEVER,
18:17:39 BUT TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AS A
18:17:40 WHOLE, SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:17:42 AND SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY ARE STARTING TO
18:17:44 GET A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
18:17:46 THEY NEED -- A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS FOR THE FUTURE
18:17:49 BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE COMING.
18:17:50 YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:17:51 THANK YOU.
18:17:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:17:54 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING.
18:18:01 WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR?
18:18:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I AM NOT REALLY INTO THIS
18:18:05 ISSUE, I WILL PASS.
18:18:06 JUST KIDDING.
18:18:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S GREAT -- HE LEFT.
18:18:12 HE LEFT.
18:18:12 [LAUGHTER]
18:18:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
18:18:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MUTED YOURSELF, SIR.
18:18:25 YOU MUTED YOURSELF.
18:18:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN THE CAMERA WENT FLYING I SAID
18:18:36 I WAS GLAD I WAS FULLY DRESSED LIKE THAT TV COMMERCIAL.
18:18:40 OKAY, IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:18:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, IT HAS.
18:18:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE IS THE DEAL.
18:18:46 I HAVE SUGGESTIONS AND SOME OF MY THOUGHTS OVER THE
18:18:47 LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
18:18:50 I APPRECIATE STAFF'S PROPOSAL.
18:18:53 I WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY IT SLIGHTLY AND MAKE IT INTO A
18:18:56 MOTION TO COME BACK TWO WEEKS FROM NOW WITH YOU AN
18:18:59 ORDINANCE.
18:19:03 SPECIFICALLY, ONE OF MY CONCERNS OF LIMITING THIS TO
18:19:06 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS THE FACT THAT IF YOU
18:19:07 LOOK AT THE MAP.
18:19:11 AND I THINK RANDY OR SOMEBODY SHOWED US THE MAP
18:19:15 EARLIER, THAT THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS JUST THE
18:19:19 PERIMETER OF THE PENINSULA.
18:19:21 AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE INTERIOR.
18:19:23 AS A MATTER OF FACT, MISS FEELEY, YOU MADE REFERENCE TO
18:19:25 THE MACY'S PROPERTY.
18:19:29 AND I TOOK A LOOK AT A MAP JUST NOW.
18:19:36 AND IT IS HARD -- IT IS HARD TO SEE EXACTLY IF A MACY'S
18:19:39 PROPERTY IS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA OR THE B
18:19:41 ZONE.
18:19:45 BUT MY COMMENTS ARE NOT JUST ABOUT THE MACY'S PROPERTY
18:19:48 BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PICK ON THAT PROPERTY, BUT
18:19:51 THERE ARE OTHER -- OTHER INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES NEARBY
18:19:55 ACROSS THE STREET.
18:20:02 RIGHT THERE BY THE CROSSTOWN CLOVERLEAFS.
18:20:06 THE U-HAUL FACILITY THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GET TORN
18:20:07 DOWN.
18:20:10 YOU GO UP DALE MABRY A COUPLE OF OTHER INDUSTRIAL
18:20:11 PROPERTIES THERE.
18:20:15 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR COMP PLAN DESIGNATIONS ARE AND
18:20:17 I DO KNOW AND I CAN TELL CLEARLY THEY ARE NOT IN THE
18:20:22 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, BUT THEY ARE CLEARLY IN THE B
18:20:24 ZONE EVACUATION ZONE.
18:20:36 MR. GOERS, CAN YOU PUT UP THE A, B MAP VERY US THE
18:20:38 HHCA.
18:20:42 OR MISS FEELEY OR SOMEBODY.
18:20:54 ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IT, ABBYE?
18:20:56 >> YES, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND.
18:20:57 I AM NOW.
18:21:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:21:03 AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.
18:21:05 I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
18:21:09 >> MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE?
18:21:18 MAY I SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
18:21:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GETTING IT.
18:21:22 WE ARE GETTING IT.
18:21:23 >> THANK YOU.
18:21:53 SORRY.
18:21:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, WE CAN SEE IT.
18:21:56 GO AHEAD.
18:21:57 GO AHEAD.
18:22:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO IT IS A LITTLE -- IT IS A LITTLE
18:22:03 HARD TO SEE AT LEAST ON MY SCREEN.
18:22:09 I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT BETTER, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE
18:22:12 IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT INTERIOR.
18:22:17 THE INTERIOR -- WHAT IS SHOWING UP TO ME IS ORANGE,
18:22:18 MAYBE RED.
18:22:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
18:22:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, ABBYE.
18:22:28 IF YOU LOOK INTERIOR AREA NOT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD BUT
18:22:33 THE B EVACUATION AND THIS WAS TESTIFIED EARLIER BY JOHN
18:22:34 FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
18:22:36 OUR EVACUATION SPECIALIST.
18:22:40 SO WHAT I AM PROPOSING AS A MINOR MODIFICATION IS THAT
18:22:46 WE INCLUDE THE -- NOT ONLY THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA
18:22:49 WHICH IS THE A ZONE, EVACUATION ZONE BUT ALSO THE B
18:22:53 ZONE, BECAUSE IF WE PICK UP THE B ZONE, ESPECIALLY
18:22:56 SOUTH OF GANDY, WE WILL BE PICKING UP THAT ENTIRE
18:22:58 CENTRAL AREA THERE.
18:23:02 AND NOT LETTING ANYTHING SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS.
18:23:05 I THINK THERE IS JUSTIFICATION FOR IT EQUALLY AS WELL
18:23:08 AS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:23:12 LOOKED AT THE STATE STATUTES AND STATE REGS AND SPEAK
18:23:16 TO EVACUATION ZONES A AND B AS BEING VERY DANGEROUS
18:23:20 PLACES TO BE AND DANGEROUS PLACES WITH REGARDS TO
18:23:22 EVACUATIONS AND OTHER ISSUE THAT'S WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
18:23:23 ABOUT.
18:23:26 THAT IS ONE SUGGESTION THAT I HAVE.
18:23:29 AND PART OF THE MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.
18:23:31 I WAS THINKING WE SHOULD BACK THIS -- I THINK STAFF IS
18:23:33 RECOMMENDING SIX MONTHS.
18:23:36 I THINK WE SHOULD DO A YEAR.
18:23:40 BUT NOW THAT I AM THINKING ABOUT IT, SIX MONTHS IS
18:23:40 OKAY.
18:23:46 AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS, IF ANYBODY IS TEMPTED TO
18:23:49 SUE US AND THEY REALLY HAVE A TREMENDOUS CASE AGAINST
18:23:54 US, I THINK THEIR CASE IS DIMINISHED SIGNIFICANTLY IF
18:23:57 WE ONLY TAKE IT AT SIX MONTHS INCREMENT.
18:24:00 SIX MONTHS FROM NOW IF WE STILL FEEL THE NEED TO KEEP
18:24:04 THE ABATEMENT OR MORATORIUM IN PLACE, WE CAN ALWAYS
18:24:06 REINTACT AS WE GO.
18:24:09 AT LEAST THAT IS MY HUMBLE OPINION.
18:24:11 I WILL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE.
18:24:15 NEXT ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IS THE ISSUE OF --
18:24:19 AND ABBYE, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS THINKING OF THIS, WHAT
18:24:21 WE ARE LIMITING, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL THING THAT WE ARE
18:24:22 LIMITING.
18:24:24 YOU ANSWERED WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THE F.A.R.
18:24:28 CALCULATION WITHIN WHATEVER ZONE WE.
18:24:32 AND NOT ALLOW THE BONUS DENSITY AND THAT SORT OF THING
18:24:35 UNLESS THEY MEET A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF MIXED USE.
18:24:36 I THINK THAT IS GOOD.
18:24:39 YOU ABOUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS, I TOOK A
18:24:43 LOOK AT THE LAST THREE PROJECTS THAT WERE VERY
18:24:44 CONTROVERSIAL SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:24:50 AND THOSE DENSITIES PER STAFF CAME OUT TO 23.2 UNITS
18:24:55 PER ACRE FOR THE INTERBAY PROJECT, 30 UNITS PER ACRE
18:24:59 FOR THE TYSON PROJECTS AND 20 UNITS PER ACRE FOR THE
18:24:59 TRASK.
18:25:03 SO THOSE THREE PROJECTS WHICH WERE HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL
18:25:04 AND CREATED A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
18:25:07 SOME OF THEM WERE VERY, VERY BIG.
18:25:10 THEY WEREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THE 40 -- THE 40 UNITS THAT
18:25:12 HAD BEEN DISCUSSED.
18:25:16 SO WHAT I AM GOING TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE LOOK AT DURING
18:25:19 THE MORATORIUM PERIOD, LIMITING THE NUMBER OF DWELLING
18:25:26 UNITS TO -- TO 20 -- TO 20 UNITS PER ACRE.
18:25:28 I THINK THAT STILL PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH A REASONABLE
18:25:33 EXPECTATION OF PROFITS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME CREATE SOME
18:25:35 LIMIT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS.
18:25:42 WHETHER OR NOT WE CALL IT AN ABATEMENT OR MORATORIUM, RON
18:25:47 WEAVER, SOMEBODY SEEMED TO INDICATE IT WAS AN ABATEMENT,
18:25:51 WE HAD TO OWE PEOPLE FOR SOMETHING AFTERWARDS.
18:26:02 MS. WELLS INDICATED SHE DOESN'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF
18:26:05 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE CALL IT.
18:26:12 IN REGARDS TO -- AND THEN FINALLY IN REGARDS TO THE 30% I
18:26:20 AM HEARING A LOT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT THAT
18:26:23 MIGHT NOT BE REALISTIC.
18:26:25 SO I LEAN TOWARDS MORE THE 15 PERCENT, WHICH IS A HUGE
18:26:31 INCREASE OVER WHAT MANY OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE OFFERED
18:26:34 US, WHICH OVER THERE AT GANDY THEY OFFERED 100 OR 200
18:26:40 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN ANOTHER PROJECT I REMEMBER THEY
18:26:43 OFFERED LIKE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHICH WAS STILL LIKE
18:26:46 1% OF THE PROJECT.
18:26:47 SO I THINK SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10% WOULD BE
18:26:52 ADEQUATE ON THE MIXED USES.
18:26:55 BUT STILL MAKE THEM PUT, YOU NOTICE, IF THEY QUANTITY TO
18:26:59 USE THE MIXED USE CATEGORY AND THEY WANT TO PASS IT DOWN
18:27:03 THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE, OR
18:27:09 MAYBE AT THE 10% LEVEL.
18:27:10 BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY SUGGESTIONS.
18:27:13 I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO COMMENT ON THEM BEFORE I
18:27:16 MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:27:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY
18:27:24 COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
18:27:27 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MENTIONED TWO WEEKS, MARCH
18:27:30 18th, AND I AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL PLEASE CONSIDER
18:27:33 ANYTHING FOR MARCH 18th, TAKE A LOOK AT THE CALENDAR,
18:27:36 BECAUSE I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A
18:27:41 TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORT ON THE PART OF CITY COUNCIL
18:27:44 TO MINIMIZE PUBLIC COMMENT SO YOU CAN GET TO YOUR ONE
18:27:50 REVIEW HEARING, AND THREE ALCOHOL SUSPENSION HEARINGS AT
18:27:55 1:30 IN THE AFTERNOON.
18:27:58 SO IF YOU SPEND THE ENTIRE MORNING SPENDING ON THE ISSUE
18:28:02 OF PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE
18:28:05 YOUR OFFICIAL BUSINESS BEFORE YOU HAVE TO DO THE
18:28:08 ALCOHOLIC SUSPENSION HEARINGS, AND I BELIEVE IT'S GOING
18:28:12 TO BE MAYBE PERHAPS A MOTION FOR ANOTHER COMMENDATION.
18:28:17 I AM GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO STRONGLY
18:28:21 CONSIDER WHAT IT'S GOING TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE
18:28:24 18th, WHAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED ON THE 18th, AND TO
18:28:27 LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE 18th IF YOU IN FACT WANT
18:28:30 TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL AFTERNOON OF ALCOHOL
18:28:34 SUSPENSION HEARINGS.
18:28:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:28:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN.
18:28:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GUDES THIS IS GOING TO BE A HOT TOPIC
18:28:43 ISSUE, YOU KNOW.
18:28:46 I UNDERSTAND MEMBERS HAVE BEEN WAITING ALL DAY LONG.
18:28:49 THEY ARE NOT USED TO -- WHERE WE ARE AT 2:00 IN THE
18:28:54 MORNING.
18:28:55 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL FEELS BUT THIS IS A HOT
18:28:58 TOPIC, PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE COMMENT ON THIS
18:29:00 WHEN IT COMES BACK.
18:29:01 MAYBE DO IT ON A SPECIAL DAY TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE I THINK
18:29:05 TRYING TO JAM THE AGENDA, IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO FOLKS.
18:29:09 IT'S NOT FAIR WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE A HOT TOPIC.
18:29:12 ALL THESE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
18:29:13 I MEAN --
18:29:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE SPEND HALF A DAY ON PUBLIC
18:29:18 COMMENT.
18:29:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RIGHT.
18:29:19 SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE A SPECIAL
18:29:22 DAY AND MR. DINGFELDER'S MOTION, YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE
18:29:24 SOME DISCUSSION WITH EVERYBODY, AND HOPEFULLY PUTTING
18:29:27 THAT MOTION, TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPERS
18:29:29 TOO.
18:29:30 I THINK THAT'S A FAIR COMPROMISE TO DO FOR EVERYBODY.
18:29:35 SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO SO EVERYONE IS
18:29:38 NOT MAD AND COME TO, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND IT, I UNDERSTAND
18:29:41 THAT, AND THEN BRING SOMETHING BACK TO US THAT MIGHT
18:29:44 WORK.
18:29:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. WELLS.
18:29:46 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:29:49 JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION BY COUNCILMAN
18:29:55 DINGFELDER, IF YOU WILL RECALL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
18:29:57 PRESENTATION I ADVISED COUNCIL THAT THERE MUST BE AN
18:29:59 ACTUAL PREDICATE FOR THE MORATORIUM.
18:30:02 THE STAFF MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY THAT MORATORIUM
18:30:07 OR THE ABATEMENT BE FOCUSED ON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD
18:30:11 AREA.
18:30:17 [~INTERFERENCE~]
18:30:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF.
18:30:20 THANK YOU.
18:30:21 >>CATE WELLS: DURING THE COURSE OF THE HEARING 2019 AND
18:30:26 2020 ON THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, SOUTH OF GANDY, THAT
18:30:32 CAME UP, SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INCREASED DENSITY
18:30:35 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:30:37 CITY COUNCIL ASKED REPEATEDLY WITH REGARD TO THE COASTAL
18:30:40 MANAGEMENT ELEMENT, THE LANGUAGE OF IN NO INCREASE IN
18:30:46 DENSITY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
18:30:48 AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS EVER AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT
18:30:50 MEANT.
18:30:50 SO TODAY'S RECOMMENDATION IS BASED UPON THOSE SCENARIOS.
18:30:55 THERE'S ALSO BEEN CONCERN ABOUT WHAT DOES MIXED MEAN?
18:30:59 SO WHEN STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT WE ADDRESS AND DEFINE IN
18:31:08 A NET INCREASE IN DENSITY.
18:31:10 AND WE ADDRESS AND DEFINE MIXED USE CONCEPT.
18:31:14 IT ALL TIES TOGETHER.
18:31:15 WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
18:31:16 THE PROBLEM IS DENSITY AND CHSA AND THE LANGUAGE AND THE
18:31:22 COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT.
18:31:23 SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MORATORIUM BE
18:31:29 EXPANDED TO INCREASE EVACUATION ZONE B, I WOULD ASK, WHAT
18:31:34 IS THE PREDICATE FOR THAT EXPANSION?
18:31:38 IT'S FACTUAL THAT THE ACTUAL PREDICATE BE ON THE RECORD,
18:31:41 AND IT'S NOT MEANT TO CHALLENGE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER,
18:31:47 BUT THAT DISCUSSION HAS TO OCCUR, AND WHY THE
18:31:53 RECOMMENDATION IS RECOMMENDED.
18:31:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
18:32:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I JUMP IN?
18:32:02 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE, JOHN.
18:32:03 I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUDDY, CHAIR.
18:32:07 GO AHEAD.
18:32:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHILE IT'S FRESH ON MY MIND, JUST
18:32:10 DEAL WITH IT.
18:32:12 TWO THINGS.
18:32:13 NUMBER ONE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO LAY THE FACTUAL
18:32:16 PREDICATE TODAY, BECAUSE IT'S MERELY A MOTION AT THIS
18:32:22 POINT.
18:32:22 I THINK WE WOULD LAY THE FACTUAL PREDICATE IF AND WHEN WE
18:32:26 ADOPT THE ORDINANCE, HOPEFULLY TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
18:32:30 AND I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, STAFF CAN HELP WORK
18:32:34 WITH LEGAL AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO BE INVOLVED,
18:32:39 COME UP WITH A FACTUAL PREDICATE, AND THE WHEREAS CLAUSES
18:32:43 THAT MIGHT GO WITH IT BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN NICE WHEREAS
18:32:48 CLAUSES FROM LEGAL STAFF SOMETIMES WHEN STAFF FEELS THE
18:32:50 NEED TO LAY A FACTUAL PREDICATE.
18:32:52 SO I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME IN ORDER TO
18:32:55 DO THAT, NUMBER ONE.
18:32:57 NUMBER TWO IS, TO INCLUDE THE B, OKAY, IS THE EXACT SAME
18:33:05 THING AS INCLUDING THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:33:08 WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING UP AND DOWN GANDY BOULEVARD OR
18:33:11 MANHATTAN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY GO
18:33:16 IN AND OUT OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD A ZONE, WHICH IS
18:33:20 SYNONYMOUS, ACCORDING TO RANDY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY
18:33:22 ARE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE VERSUS THE B ZONE BECAUSE
18:33:25 IT'S ONLY A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION AS YOU GO IN
18:33:29 AND OUT.
18:33:29 WE EVEN HAD ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS WHERE BEHALF HALF THE
18:33:32 PROJECT WAS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND HALF WAS
18:33:37 OUT.
18:33:37 BUT IN THE B ZONE WE ARE GOING TO PROCESS THE ENTIRE --
18:33:42 PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE PENINSULA THAT STOPS AT GANDY.
18:33:49 I ALSO HAVE LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN SINCE STAFF IS NOW
18:33:52 RECOMMENDING THAT WE INCLUDE THE WHOLE CITY.
18:33:53 AND I KNOW, CATE, YOU WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU SAY WE
18:33:58 CAN'T BE DISCRIMINATORY.
18:34:00 THAT SORT OF THING.
18:34:02 I LOOK AT THE DISCRIMINATORY THING AS WE CAN'T BE
18:34:05 DISCRIMINATORY WITHIN THE ZONE THAT WE SELECT.
18:34:09 SO IF POSSIBLE, I WOULD RATHER SEE US -- AND I THINK MR.
18:34:13 CITRO POINTED THIS OUT -- PERHAPS TRY TO LIMIT THIS
18:34:18 ENTIRE PROPOSAL TO THE AREA THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING
18:34:22 ABOUT SO MUCH, SOUTH OF GANDY OR SOUTH OF EUCLID AREA, AS
18:34:29 OPPOSED TO MAKING THIS IMPACT THE WHOLE CITY.
18:34:31 I THINK WHEN WE DO THIS FOR THE WHOLE CITY, WE KICK UP A
18:34:37 LOT MORE HORNET'S NESTS.
18:34:40 THAT'S SOME OF WHAT WE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE ATTORNEYS
18:34:42 WHO PARTICIPATED EARLIER.
18:34:43 I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING TO MY GOOD FRIENDS, THESE
18:34:47 ATTORNEYS WHO I HAVE KNOWN FOR DECADES AND I THINK IT'S
18:34:53 DISINGENUOUS TO SHOW UP ADA AND SAY WE TALK ABOUT THESE
18:34:59 ISSUES, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE ISSUES
18:35:01 BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE ATTORNEYS COMING DOWN HERE AND
18:35:03 DISCUSSING THOSE ISSUES UNTIL THEIR CLIENTS ARE
18:35:05 THREATENED WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
18:35:08 THAT'S A SHOUTOUT TO MY FRIENDS IN THE BAR.
18:35:12 I DON'T KNOW DID I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS?
18:35:15 I KNOW I RAMBLED FOR A WHILE.
18:35:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
18:35:19 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
18:35:20 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:35:22 JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
18:35:26 A LOT OF THOUGHTS ON THIS.
18:35:27 YOU KNOW, I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT WE PROBABLY NEED MORE
18:35:31 THAN TWO WEEKS FOR THIS TO COME BACK.
18:35:33 THERE'S BEEN SO MANY DIFFERENT CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN
18:35:35 MADE TO THE PROPOSAL AT HAND THAT WE NEED TIME, I WOULD
18:35:39 THINK -- AND I'LL LOOK TO STAFF TO TELL ME IF I AM JUST
18:35:42 OUT IN LEFT FIELD HERE -- MORE TIME FOR STAFF TO REVIEW,
18:35:46 MORE TIME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS THIS
18:35:49 LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE?
18:35:50 AGAIN THE QUESTION I KEEP ON ASKING, AND I THINK BACK TO
18:35:53 WHAT WE DO WITH THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD WHICH WE ARE
18:35:56 STILL DEALING WITH, AND WHEN WE ASKED FOR CHANGES, WE
18:36:00 NEVER ASKED FOR AN ORDINANCE TO BE WRITTEN AS SUCH.
18:36:03 RATHER, WE ASKED FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH LEGALLY
18:36:06 DEFENSIBLE LANGUAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA LAW
18:36:09 AND TO COME BACK WITH LEGAL OPINIONS, JUST A SUGGESTION,
18:36:12 THAT WE MAY WANT TO DO THAT, NUMBER ONE.
18:36:15 NUMBER TWO, WITH REGARDS TO THE TIME, BETWEEN NOW AND AN
18:36:18 ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE JUST ARE VOTING TO MOVE THIS
18:36:22 FORWARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT AN ORDINANCE IS
18:36:25 WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LEVEL OF FIRST STEP OF
18:36:30 LEGAL CONCEPTION THERE, SO TO SPEAK, SO THAT'S SERIOUS
18:36:34 STUFF.
18:36:35 I WOULD ASK IF WE REASONABLY NEED MORE THAN TWO WEEKS TO
18:36:39 COME UP WITH A LEGAL OPINION THAT WE COULD REASONABLY
18:36:41 RELY UPON AND WITH STAFF AND ALL THESE CHANGES,
18:36:45 ET CETERA, JUST A THOUGHT OF MINE.
18:36:47 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:36:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. WELLS, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A
18:36:50 REASONABLE TIME, LOOKING AT MARCH OR APRIL?
18:36:55 TWO WEEKS WAS SUGGESTED, BUT WHAT REASON WOULD BE A
18:36:58 REASONABLE TIME?
18:36:58 >>CATE WELLS: TYPICALLY FOR A FEBRUARY 18th CITY
18:37:02 COUNCIL MEETING, OUR DEADLINE TO SUBMIT IT INTO SIRE
18:37:06 WOULD BE TOMORROW.
18:37:08 SO ADDITIONAL TIME IS REQUESTED ESPECIALLY IF COUNCIL IS
18:37:11 LOOKING TO STAFF TO ESTABLISH THE FACTUAL PREDICATE FOR
18:37:15 THIS CHANGE IN DIRECTION.
18:37:16 >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR THOUGHT ON
18:37:25 THIS.
18:37:25 I AGREE WITH MS. WELLS AND TO COUNCILMAN VIERA'S POINT,
18:37:30 THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK INVOLVED NOT ONLY
18:37:32 IN DOING THE RESEARCH TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE IS A FACTUAL
18:37:37 PREDICATE WHICH IS REALLY NOT STAFF'S FUNCTION, FRANKLY,
18:37:42 BUT I WOULD DRAW YOUR ATTENTION ALSO TO THE MAP THE
18:37:50 EXTENSIVE NATURE OF ZONE B, AND TO THE POINT THAT I THINK
18:37:53 WE HAVE ALL HEARD, THE DESIRE TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE
18:37:57 STAKEHOLDERS, CITIZENS, RESIDENTS, DEVELOPERS, ARE
18:38:02 APPROPRIATELY INFORMED ABOUT WHAT PATH WE ARE TAKING.
18:38:06 CERTAINLY, THE BALANCE OF THE PENINSULA IS COVERED.
18:38:09 BUT IF YOU HEAD NORTH AND FOLLOW THE MAP, YOU WILL FIND
18:38:16 THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF COVERAGE HERE FOR THE ZONE
18:38:21 B.
18:38:21 SO I BELIEVE JUST PUTTING ASIDE WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY
18:38:27 FOR THE LEGAL ASPECT AND TIE IT TOGETHER WHAT EXISTS IF
18:38:31 THERE IS ONE, WE WOULD STILL NEED EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF
18:38:34 TIME TO HAVE APPROPRIATE OUTREACH TO THOSE THAT COULD BE
18:38:37 AFFECTED BY IT UNDER THIS REVISION.
18:38:42 THANK YOU.
18:38:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:38:46 HAVING HEARD ALL OF THAT, WHAT'S THE DIRECTION NOW OF
18:38:48 COUNCIL?
18:38:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, AND CAROLE, WHAT ARE WE
18:38:53 TALKING ABOUT, A MONTH, TWO MONTHS? WHAT DO WE NEED?
18:38:57 WE WANTS STAFF TO DO THE BEST JOB THEY CAN DO.
18:39:00 SO WHAT DO YOU NEED TO GET WHAT MR. DINGFELDER ASKED?
18:39:07 >>CAROLE POST: I MEAN, I THINK SIXTY DAYS IS A MINIMUM.
18:39:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAY I SPEAK BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR ON
18:39:18 THIS DISCUSSION?
18:39:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
18:39:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
18:39:21 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING, OKAY?
18:39:24 THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY.
18:39:30 IF YOU GIVE THEM A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, OKAY, AND
18:39:34 SOMEBODY SAID THIS EARLIER, IT'S NOT MY OWN ORIGINAL
18:39:38 THOUGHT, BUT THOSE APPLICATIONS WILL START FLOODING IN,
18:39:41 NO PUN INTENDED, VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
18:39:44 IF YOU GIVE THEM SIXTY DAYS THEY WILL GET IN THEIR PD
18:39:48 APPLICATIONS VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
18:39:49 THEY MIGHT NOT BE FULL, THEY MAY NOT BE 100% COMPLETE BUT
18:39:55 THE MINUTE -- AND MRS. WELLS CAN CONTEST ME IF I AM
18:40:00 WRONG -- BUT ONCE THEY FILE THEM, THEN THEY WON'T BE
18:40:04 IMPACTED BY ANYTHING THAT WE DO.
18:40:05 >> COUNCILMAN GUDES.
18:40:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I TAKE YOUR POINT, MR. DINGFELDER.
18:40:12 IN LIGHT OF THAT, THEN IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD,
18:40:15 AND YOU ARE SAYING MAYBE THIS COUNCIL CAN ALSO PUT A HALT
18:40:19 TO THAT UNTIL WE GET THESE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK, IF
18:40:21 THAT'S THE CASE.
18:40:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE
18:40:27 MORATORIUM.
18:40:27 >>CAROLE POST: MAY I RESPOND TO THAT?
18:40:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MS.
18:40:33 >>CAROLE POST: POST THANK YOU.
18:40:35 WHAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD TODAY WAS A PROPOSAL THAT WE
18:40:37 BELIEVE MEETS THE LEGAL PREDICATE THAT MS. WELLS HAS LAID
18:40:43 OUT, THAT WE BELIEVE RESPONDS TO THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
18:40:46 IN FACT THERE WERE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT
18:40:50 HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT THIS, WHO SUPPORTED THIS
18:40:53 PROPOSAL, AND REQUESTED THAT IT BE ADOPTED AS WE
18:40:56 PRESENTED IT.
18:40:58 IT WOULD RESULT IN THE PAUSE THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED AND
18:41:05 RESULTING IN A SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION IN ALLOWABLE,
18:41:09 BUILDABLE UNITS, YET LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY
18:41:13 THE ABILITY TO BUILD THEIR -- TO THEIR ENTITLEMENT.
18:41:19 AND IT ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR A PERIOD -- AND I RESPECT THE
18:41:25 OFFER TO SIX MONTHS, PERHAPS A NINE MONTH SORT OF BREAK
18:41:28 POINTS THAT ALLOWS US TO LET THE PLANNING EFFORTS THAT
18:41:33 RANDY GOERS SPOKE ABOUT BEGIN TO EVOLVE AND MATURE AND
18:41:37 DRIVE US TOWARD THE PERMANENT SOLUTION THAT WE ALL WANT
18:41:41 THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF, AND
18:41:46 THAT IS OUR NECESSARY HORIZON.
18:41:47 SO AS I SAID, WE CAME PREPARED TODAY, IF AGREEABLE TO THE
18:41:52 COUNCIL, TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY FOR FIRST READING ON
18:41:56 FEBRUARY 18th, AND THEN FUTURE ADOPTION THEREAFTER.
18:42:01 THANK YOU.
18:42:01 >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
18:42:04 >>BILL CARLSON: MY CONSTITUENCY IS PRIMARILY SOUTH OF
18:42:13 GANDY GROUP THAT WANTS TO FOCUS ON SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:42:18 THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE THAT THEY TELL US ABOUT
18:42:21 REPEATEDLY.
18:42:23 IS THAT NOT SUFFICIENT PREDICATE TO COME UP WITH A SOUTH
18:42:28 OF GANDY SOLUTION?
18:42:29 >>CATE WELLS: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I KNOW AT PREVIOUS
18:42:38 MEETINGS THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION, I RECALL MS. DUNCAN
18:42:42 MAKING A PRESENTATION ON THE CONCURRENCY AREA, SO THAT
18:42:47 CHANGES THE DISCUSSION.
18:42:50 THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE TPCA, IF YOU ARE
18:42:53 TRYING TO FOCUS ON TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND THAT STRUCTURE.
18:43:00 >>LUIS VIERA: IF WE WERE TO AUTHORIZE CONSIDERATION OF
18:43:14 THAT OPTION, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK ANOTHER COUNCILMEMBER
18:43:17 BROUGHT THIS UP AS WELL -- THAT THIS WOULD EXPAND THE
18:43:21 SCOPE, AND THERE WOULD NEED TO BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT,
18:43:25 BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GO INTO COMMUNITIES AND CHANGE
18:43:28 THE RULES.
18:43:29 AND GOT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.
18:43:32 WITH REGARDS TO THE ISSUE OF DEVELOPERS RUNNING IN AND
18:43:36 DOING THE APPLICATIONS, THAT'S POTENTIALLY TRUE, BUT I
18:43:41 DON'T REMEMBER WHEN THIS MOTION WAS MADE, MAYBE SIX,
18:43:44 SEVEN WEEKS AGO.
18:43:45 IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WOULD HAVE STARTED ON THAT.
18:43:47 I GET IT THAT ANOTHER 60 DAYS ALLOWS FOR MORE TIME,
18:43:50 ET CETERA.
18:43:51 BUT IN OTHER WORDS, THE CLOCK BEGINS TO RUN TONIGHT, IN
18:43:57 OTHER WORDS.
18:43:58 SO JUST A THOUGHT.
18:43:59 I'M TIRED.
18:44:00 BUT JUST A THOUGHT.
18:44:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
18:44:05 LET'S BRING IN THEY'RE IN FOR A LANDING.
18:44:07 >>BILL CARLSON: BACK TO THE SOUTH OF GANDY YOU MENTIONED
18:44:09 TCA -- I'M TIRED.
18:44:14 IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN REMOVE THAT AREA, AND/OR IS IT
18:44:22 POSSIBLE THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE 18th WE CAN LOOK AT
18:44:24 A PARALLEL SOLUTION THAT JUST AFFECTS SOUTH OF GANDY?
18:44:27 >>CATE WELLS: I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING THAT
18:44:36 COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS SAYING.
18:44:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT TCPA FOR SOUTH
18:44:42 OF GANDY, IS IT POSSIBLE JUST TO REMOVE IT OR IS THERE
18:44:44 SOME OTHER SOLUTION --
18:44:46 >>CATE WELLS: TPA IS EVERYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY
18:44:50 LIMITS SOUTH OF FOWLER AVENUE, SO WHAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING
18:44:54 IS A MUCH BROADER ISSUE AND CERTAINLY NOT ONE THAT I AM
18:45:00 PREPARED TO SPEAK TO TONIGHT.
18:45:02 WE WOULD NEED TO BRING TO COUNCILMEN AND THE OTHER CITY
18:45:08 ATTORNEYS THAT DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES.
18:45:11 THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER DISCUSSION.
18:45:13 >> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK REALISTICALLY IT WOULD TAKE TO
18:45:16 RESEARCH THAT?
18:45:17 >>CATE WELLS: IT'S OUT OF MY AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY, SO
18:45:22 I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
18:45:25 >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL MAKE THE MOTION -- COUNCILMAN
18:45:29 DINGFELDER WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.
18:45:31 I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE RESOLUTION IF YOU ALL
18:45:33 WANT.
18:45:36 SINCE WE ARE PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 18TH,
18:45:39 IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T MODIFY IT OR CHANGE IT.
18:45:43 STILL IT WILL COME UP FOR A VOTE.
18:45:44 BUT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU WANT TO DO MAKE A
18:45:46 MOTION FIRST?
18:45:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY, BEFORE YOU
18:45:50 DO THAT, COUNCIL, I JUST NEED TO, IN PREPARATION FOR WHAT
18:45:55 ARE GOING TO BE IN FACT TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, YOUR FIRST
18:45:59 OF A SERIES OF ALCOHOL SUSPENSION HEARINGS I JUST WANT TO
18:46:04 REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE ADDED TWO ADDITIONAL MONDAYS TO
18:46:08 HEAR ADDITIONAL CASES.
18:46:10 SO THAT BEING THE CASE, WHAT ASSURANCES CAN YOU MAKE AS A
18:46:18 BODY IN PREPARATION FOR THE 18th THAT YOU WILL BE
18:46:21 PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE TO THOSE 1:30 HEARINGS WHEN
18:46:25 THEY COME UP?
18:46:28 I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS THE
18:46:31 ISSUE REALISTICALLY, HOW WE CAN CONTROL ITS CALENDAR SO
18:46:38 THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS.
18:46:43 SO THIS IS A CONCERN THAT I HAVE, COUNCIL.
18:46:45 AND FRANKLY, I'M BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
18:46:48 OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOUR MEETING, AND IT'S THE CONTROL OF YOUR
18:46:53 AGENDA IS IN YOUR HANDS.
18:46:54 THE CONTROL OF YOUR CALENDAR IS IN YOUR HANDS.
18:46:56 >>CATE WELLS: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
18:47:00 YOU HEARD FROM STAFF THAT BRINGING IT BACK ON THE
18:47:03 18th, I THINK THAT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION GIVEN
18:47:10 THE WORK THAT WILL GO INTO BRINGING AN ORDINANCE BACK
18:47:16 WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE HEARD THIS EVENING.
18:47:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
18:47:20 WELL, OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SPECIAL CALL
18:47:23 ON THE 22ND, THAT'S JUST FOUR DAYS DIFFERENCE.
18:47:26 WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THE 25th.
18:47:28 THAT WILL BE VERY, VERY BUSY, I PROMISE YOU, WITH A NIGHT
18:47:31 MEETING, WITH A BUSY NIGHT MEETING, OKAY?
18:47:35 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON THE 4th IS THE NEXT
18:47:40 CLOSEST DATE.
18:47:41 LET ME LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL.
18:47:44 STORMWATER UPDATE.
18:47:51 REFINANCING BONDS WHICH WOULD ALLOW A REDUCTION OF WATER
18:47:54 RATES.
18:47:55 I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.
18:47:57 REDUCTION OF WATER RATES.
18:47:59 HOW ABOUT MARCH 4th?
18:48:00 IS THAT ENOUGH TIME?
18:48:01 THAT'S A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
18:48:03 WE HAVE EIGHT SECOND READINGS.
18:48:07 WE HAVE ONE DECISION OF ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN
18:48:10 STAFF REPORT AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS, JUST A COUPLE
18:48:13 THERE.
18:48:13 WOULD THAT WORK?
18:48:14 THAT DOESN'T PUSH US TOO FAR AWAY, MARCH 4th REGULAR
18:48:18 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
18:48:20 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, MS. WELLS, ANYBODY ELSE?
18:48:23 MS. POST?
18:48:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA?
18:48:27 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I?
18:48:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
18:48:29 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU.
18:48:30 I THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO WHAT STAFF IS
18:48:32 SAYING.
18:48:33 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FIT IN A
18:48:36 SIZE 40 WAIST IN SIZE 34 PANTS WHICH WE WOULD BE DOING
18:48:40 FRANKLY IF WE GO IN THERE TOO SOON SO WE HAVE TO BE
18:48:43 CAREFUL ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO COME
18:48:46 BACK IN TWO OR THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AND GO, IT'S NOT
18:48:49 FINISHED YET, AND THEN WE AGAIN PUT UP EXPECTATIONS IN
18:48:53 THE STAKEHOLDER COMMUNITIES THAT THERE WOULD BE
18:48:55 FRUSTRATION.
18:48:56 I WOULD RATHER GET IT DONE RIGHT, AND AGAIN I WOULD
18:49:01 SUGGEST THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE INQUIRE
18:49:05 WITH STAFF, IN DWYER WITH LEGAL WHETHER THINGS ARE
18:49:08 LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, IF THERE IS LEGAL SUSTAINABILITIES IN
18:49:14 THAT REGARD, AND I WILL STOP TALKING BECAUSE I'M TIRED.
18:49:18 THANK YOU.
18:49:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION?
18:49:20 WE ALSO HAVE MARCH 18th WHICH IS ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL
18:49:22 REGULAR SESSION WHICH DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE
18:49:26 SUPER BUSY.
18:49:28 ANYBODY?
18:49:29 ANY SUGGESTIONS?
18:49:30 >>CATE WELLS: I BELIEVE CAROLE POST DID ASK FOR TWO
18:49:36 MONTHS.
18:49:36 I ASK THAT BE WITHIN THE TIME ALLOWED AND BRING IT BACK.
18:49:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
18:49:44 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YES, SIR.
18:49:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LIVE IS ALL ABOUT COMPROMISE.
18:49:51 A PERFECT SUGGESTION, TWO MONTHS.
18:49:53 WE DON'T NEED TWO MONTHS.
18:49:54 I THINK SOMEBODY SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU SAID SOMETHING
18:49:57 ABOUT THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH, WHICH IS ABOUT A MONTH
18:50:03 FROM NOW.
18:50:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARCH 18th IS THE SECOND NEXT
18:50:06 REGULAR MEETING.
18:50:06 SO 4th OR THE 18th.
18:50:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
18:50:09 I THINK MARCH 4th IS FINE.
18:50:14 MS. WELLS, YOU AND I HAD PRIVATELY DISCUSSED THE
18:50:16 18th.
18:50:17 BUT I THINK MARCH 4th IS FINE.
18:50:22 THE SUPER BOWL WILL BE OVER AND LIFE WILL CALM DOWN.
18:50:28 >>CATE WELLS: THE 18th WAS BASED UPON STAFF'S
18:50:30 RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY.
18:50:37 IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
18:50:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION COUNCIL
18:50:40 IS GO TO GO. ANYWAY, MS. POST, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION
18:50:47 ON THE DURATION.
18:50:50 YOU AND I HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ON THAT, AND NOW I AM
18:50:53 TOTALLY CONFUSED.
18:50:54 ARE YOU SUGGESTING NINE MONTHS OR A YEAR FOR THE DURATION
18:50:59 OF THE MORATORIUM OR ABATEMENT, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED?
18:51:02 >>CAROLE POST: SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED, WE
18:51:05 THOUGHT THAT 12 MONTHS WAS EXCESSIVE TIME PERIOD, AND OUR
18:51:12 DESIRE TO HAVE A PERMANENT SOLUTION IDENTIFIED BEFORE
18:51:14 THAT, BUT SIX MONTHS WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT TIME EVEN IF
18:51:17 WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS NOW, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO
18:51:20 EFFECTUATE A COMP PLAN CHANGE, ZONING CHANGES, ET CETERA.
18:51:24 SO TO THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE, I SUGGESTED NINE MONTHS
18:51:28 WOULD BE WORKABLE FOR THE DURATION OF AN ABATEMENT.
18:51:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT A
18:51:36 MOTION.
18:51:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, BEFORE YOU DO, BEFORE YOU DO,
18:51:39 COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS HIS HAND UP.
18:51:41 YES, SIR.
18:51:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DEFER TO MR. CARLSON SINCE IT'S HIS
18:51:45 DISTRICT.
18:51:45 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION BUT I WOULD LIKE
18:51:55 TO MAKE A PARALLEL MOTION THAT WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER
18:51:57 SOLUTION THAT ONLY ADDRESSES SOUTH OF GANDY.
18:52:01 I'M NOTE A LAWYER.
18:52:02 I'M NOTE A PLANNER.
18:52:05 AND I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF GREAT BRAINPOWER
18:52:10 AROUND THESE TABLES.
18:52:12 AND WE THREW OUT ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
18:52:15 ANOTHER ONE CAME UP TONIGHT, THAT'S TCPA.
18:52:20 WE KNOW WHAT THE FOLKS SOUTH OF GANDY WANT.
18:52:23 I WISH WE COULD PUT OUR MIND TOGETHER JUST TO FIGURE OUT
18:52:26 INSTEAD OF ONE PREDICATE, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE SPECIFIC
18:52:30 ISSUES ARE SOUTH OF GANDY AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR
18:52:33 THAT.
18:52:34 SO I'LL MAKE THAT SOLUTION SEPARATELY.
18:52:37 BUT IS IT POSSIBLE -- WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFFLINE.
18:52:42 BUT I WILL MAKE A GENERIC MOTION PARALLEL AND SEE WHAT
18:52:45 HAPPENS.
18:52:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, PLEASE MAKE
18:52:48 YOUR MOTION.
18:52:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
18:52:50 I AM GOING TO MOVE TO DIRECT LEGAL STAFF AND PLANNING
18:52:58 STAFF TO COME BACK TO US MARCH 4th, I BELIEVE, THE
18:53:05 CHAIRMAN SAID, AT THE SPECIAL CALL MEETING --
18:53:08 >>> NO, IT'S A REGULAR MEETING ON THE 4th OF MARCH.
18:53:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A REGULAR MEETING, THANK YOU, AT THE
18:53:14 REGULAR MEETING WITH AN ORDINANCE BASED UPON STAFF'S
18:53:19 RECOMMENDATION WITH A FEW MINOR CHANGES.
18:53:23 I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAID ABOUT LONGEVITY, BUT I THINK WE
18:53:27 CAN COMPROMISE NINE MONTHS.
18:53:29 SO WHATEVER IT SAYS, MAKE IT NINE MONTHS.
18:53:38 WE'LL JUST LIMIT IT TO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.
18:53:46 BASED UPON WHAT MS. WELLS HAS ADVISED. WHETHER WE CALL
18:53:49 IT AN ABATEMENT OR MORATORIUM IN TERMS OF LANGUAGE I WILL
18:53:52 LEAVE THAT UP TO LEGAL, BUT IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER.
18:54:00 IN REGARD TO THE MIXED USE, I THINK THAT BASED UPON THE
18:54:04 COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE HEARD, AND THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN
18:54:06 THE MAIL, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO INTO THE EXTREME OF
18:54:11 THE 30% RIGHT NOW.
18:54:12 MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE BUT I WOULD
18:54:14 LIKE TO SEE US AT LEAST MANDATE A 10% MIXED USE
18:54:18 REQUIREMENT.
18:54:22 LET ME PUT A PAUSE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO HIT
18:54:25 A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE, WHICH IS, MS. POST, I AM NOT
18:54:31 PICKING A FIGHT, BUT YOU USED THE WORD ENTITLEMENT, AND
18:54:35 THAT BOTHERS ME JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS
18:54:38 RECENTLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCIL DISCUSSED IT OR
18:54:42 NOT, BUT THE COMP PLAN MIGHT SAY 35 UNITS PER ACRE, BUT I
18:54:46 HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT BY PLANNERS AND LAND USE
18:54:49 ATTORNEYS THAT THAT'S NOT AN ENTITLEMENT, THAT IT IS THE
18:54:55 MAXIMUM DENSITY THAT THEY SHOULD BE GETTING.
18:54:58 AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM COMING FROM WHEN THEY SAY MAYBE
18:55:03 INSTEAD OF MAYBE WE CAN REALLY MAKE THIS A MEANINGFUL
18:55:06 MORATORIUM AND HEAD IN A MORE MEANINGFUL DIRECTION WITH
18:55:11 SOMETHING LIKE 20 OR 25 UNITS PER ACRE, AS AN ABSOLUTE
18:55:16 MAXIMUM WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD DURING THIS
18:55:19 MORATORIUM PERIOD.
18:55:21 SO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, I WILL LOOK AT COMPROMISE, 25
18:55:27 UNITS PER ACRE WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM THAT ANY MULTIFAMILY
18:55:31 PROJECT COULD COME IN AT.
18:55:33 IF THEY COME IN LOWER THAN THAT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO
18:55:35 WORRY ABOUT OUR MORATORIUM.
18:55:38 I MEAN, ASSUMING THEY HAVE THE COMP PLAN CATEGORY TO
18:55:43 ACCOMMODATE THAT.
18:55:46 SO THAT I THINK COVERS THE POINTS I WANTED TO MAKE, THE
18:55:52 STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CHANGES THAT I JUST
18:55:56 PROPOSED INCLUDING THE 25 UNITS PER ACRE MAX.
18:55:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
18:56:01 DINGFELDER.
18:56:01 YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
18:56:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION,
18:56:11 DO YOU WISH IT TO COME BACK AS A DRAFT UNDER STAFF
18:56:14 REPORTS ANDS UNFINISHED BUSINESS ON MARCH 4th?
18:56:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS A DRAFT?
18:56:19 NO, IT'S A FINAL.
18:56:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO ARE YOU SAYING THEN --
18:56:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SET IT FOR HEARING ON THE 4th OF
18:56:26 MARCH.
18:56:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MS. WELLS, IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS,
18:56:31 THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY SET FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
18:56:34 IT WOULD BE A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.
18:56:36 UNLESS YOU ARE TELLING ME IT'S TO BE SET FOR A PUBLIC
18:56:38 HEARING.
18:56:40 I'M SORRY, I AM NOT TALKING DIRECTLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.
18:56:44 BUT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR IS YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT TO
18:56:46 COME BACK FOR FIRST READING?
18:56:48 IS THAT YOUR MOTION?
18:56:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CORRECT.
18:56:53 I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
18:56:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD.
18:56:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
18:56:57 COUNCILMAN VIERA, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
18:56:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID I GET A SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN?
18:57:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
18:57:04 CARLSON.
18:57:05 COUNCILMAN VIERA, GO AHEAD, SIR.
18:57:06 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK WE ALL WANT TO PUSH THIS FORWARD
18:57:08 FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND SEE WHERE THIS GOES.
18:57:10 BUT AGAIN I AM TROUBLED BY STAFF SAYING THEY NEED SIXTY
18:57:14 DAYS AND US GIVING 30.
18:57:16 JUST ONE COMPROMISE THAT MAY BE OUT THERE IS COUNCILMAN
18:57:19 CARLSON HAD A CONCURRENT MOTION WHICH MAYBE IT COULD BE
18:57:21 THE 30-DAY ONE AND THEN COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S AT 45 OR
18:57:25 60.
18:57:26 JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
18:57:27 I ALSO WANT TO LOOK FOR A FINDING THAT ANY AND ALL
18:57:31 ORDINANCES, PROPOSED ORDINANCES ARE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.
18:57:37 AGAIN I AM GOING TO -- I THINK THAT'S AN ASSURANCE WE
18:57:41 NEED OBVIOUSLY AS A CITY COUNCIL, IS CONSISTENT WITH
18:57:43 FLORIDA LAW.
18:57:45 YOU KNOW, JUST VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
18:57:47 BUT AGAIN, THE REQUEST BY STAFF FOR MORE TIME, AND THE
18:57:52 REFUSAL OF COUNCIL TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME, I THINK IS
18:57:56 GOING TO COME BACK TO BITE US, JUST MY OPINION, PUTTING
18:57:59 THAT OUT THERE.
18:58:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
18:58:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION.
18:58:04 IS THAT JUST FOR GANDY SOUTH IN THE HIGH HAZARD AREA?
18:58:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE ASKING ME?
18:58:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
18:58:15 YOU ARE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
18:58:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
18:58:18 A GOOD QUESTION, MR. CITRO.
18:58:21 MY MOTION FOLLOWS MS. WELLS' ADVICE WHICH IS THAT WE
18:58:26 SHOULD DO A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA CITY-WIDE FOR
18:58:30 CONSISTENCY AND NONDISCRIMINATORY PURPOSES.
18:58:34 SO THE TOONS YOUR QUESTION, MR. CITRO, RIGHT NOW, YOUR
18:58:37 MOTION WOULD BE CITY-WIDE.
18:58:39 HOWEVER, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID, WHAT I
18:58:44 WOULD PERHAPS -- I COULD MODIFY MY MOTION TO ASK LEGAL TO
18:58:48 COME BACK WITH TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES, ONE OF THEM CITY
18:58:54 WIDE AND ONE OF THEM, LET'S SAY, SOUTH OF EUCLID.
18:58:58 AND I SAY SOUTH OF EUCLID BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
18:59:00 SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES BETWEEN EUCLID AND GANDY.
18:59:07 SO, JOE, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
18:59:12 I COULD MODIFY MY MOTION IF MR. CARLSON WANTS TO ACCEPT
18:59:15 IT, TO KIND OF MAKE IT TWO PRONGED.
18:59:19 LEGAL COULD BRING IT BACK TO US TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
18:59:21 ONE WAY WOULD BE CITY-WIDE AND THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE
18:59:25 JUST SOUTH OF EUCLID.
18:59:27 HOW DOES THAT SOUND?
18:59:31 >> I THOUGHT FOR YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I
18:59:33 WOULD BE HAPPIER IF YOU JUST SAID IT WAS FROM GANDY
18:59:36 SOUTH.
18:59:38 FOR YOUR MOTION.
18:59:39 >>CAROLE POST: CHAIRMAN, MAY I COMMENT ON THAT?
18:59:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MS. POST.
18:59:48 >>CAROLE POST: GOING BACK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
18:59:50 WAS PROPOSING IN HIS MOTION WAS TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL AS
18:59:57 WE PRESENTED, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, CITY-WIDE, THE
19:00:03 ABATEMENT OF THE F.A.R.
19:00:05 WE WOULD AGREE TO THE REDUCTION FOR THE MIXED USE
19:00:10 ALLOTMENT, ALLOCATION, DOWN TO 10%, AND WE WOULD BE
19:00:15 PREPARED TO BRING AN ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION ON MARCH
19:00:18 4th.
19:00:20 WHEN HE'S ADDED THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR A MAP OF
19:00:28 DWELLING UNITS THAT NOW PROVIDES TO RESEARCH THE
19:00:32 VIABILITY OF THAT, AND WHEN I USE THE TERM ENTITLEMENT,
19:00:37 IT'S A PLANNING TERM OF ART, SO THAT'S THE REFERENCE
19:00:40 POINT THERE.
19:00:41 I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM, BUT INTRODUCING
19:00:44 THAT MODIFICATION NOW TRIGGERS THE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE
19:00:47 IMPLICATIONS OF THAT BOTH LEGALLY AND PRACTICALLY.
19:00:51 SO AGAIN, WE ARE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO BRING AN
19:00:55 ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION, ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED AND
19:01:01 WITH REDUCTION OF THE MIXED USE AS YOU SUGGESTED.
19:01:05 ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION IF THE COUNCIL IS THINKING FOR
19:01:09 THIS TO ONLY APPLY SOUTH OF GANDY, THAT BRINGS US BACK TO
19:01:12 THE NEED TO HAVE A LEGAL PREDICATE SO THAT IT DOES NOT
19:01:16 APPEAR ARBITRARY OR DISCRIMINATORY, AND THAT EXERCISE IS
19:01:20 WHAT WE BELIEVE TAKES AT LEAST SIXTY DAYS.
19:01:24 SO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.
19:01:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN
19:01:28 DINGFELDER.
19:01:28 >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION, BUT I HOPE
19:01:35 THAT IF WE MAKE SOME MOTION ALONG LINES OF WHAT YOU ARE
19:01:39 SUGGESTING, GIVES SUFFICIENT TIME FOR STAFF TO RESPOND.
19:01:45 AND THEN PARALLEL, HAVE A SEPARATE MOTION OR YOU COULD
19:01:48 COMBINE THEM IF YOU WANT, THAT GIVES STAFF SUFFICIENT
19:01:51 TIME TO DEVELOP A PREDICATE, AND LEGAL ARGUMENTS FOR
19:01:58 SOMETHING THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF GANDY.
19:01:59 I THINK IF THE SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY THAT'S PRIMARILY
19:02:05 ASKING FOR THIS, AND A SOLUTION THAT DIRECTLY ADDRESSES
19:02:09 THEIR CONCERNS AND ISSUES WOULD BE WORTH THE TIME, EVEN
19:02:14 THOUGH I KNOW THEY ALL WANTS SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.
19:02:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:02:18 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
19:02:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU CAN GO TO GUDES BECAUSE I AM
19:02:23 HAVING TROUBLE DIGESTING ALL OF THIS.
19:02:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
19:02:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M LISTENING TO VIERA, AND HE'S RIGHT.
19:02:31 I DON'T WANT TO PUT STAFF UNDER THE GUN.
19:02:33 I MEAN, WE ARE SAYING SOUTH OF GANDY.
19:02:36 WELL, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE
19:02:39 DISPARITY THAT WAY, BECAUSE OF THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS.
19:02:45 SO IF WE JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN GIVE THEM
19:02:48 AN EXTRA WEAK.
19:02:49 IF YOU GO TO THE 18th, JOHN, TO WHERE IT GIVES THEM
19:02:52 TIME TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, AND THEN DOWN THE LINE
19:02:56 THEY CAN RESEARCH WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID.
19:03:01 BUT LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD, WHAT YOU ARE
19:03:03 TRYING TO PUT ON THE TABLE, AND GIVE THEM TIME TO RESPOND
19:03:06 BACK, WHICH I THINK YOU GIVE THEM A COUPLE EXTRA WEEKS TO
19:03:10 THE 18th.
19:03:12 BUT I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO TWO
19:03:15 DIFFERENT THINGS, SOUTH OF GANDY, AND YOU 2021 DO THIS,
19:03:18 AND -- WE HAVE GOT SO MANY THINGS GOING ON, THEY ARE
19:03:24 BOBBLE THEIR HEADS RIGHT NOW.
19:03:25 LET'S DO ONE THING.
19:03:26 GUFF THEME LITTLE TIME AND THEN COME BACK AND SEPARATE.
19:03:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MAYBE WE CAN DO IT, AND I HEAR
19:03:36 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE ALWAYS PUSHING ME TO BE MORE
19:03:39 REASONABLE.
19:03:39 I APPRECIATE THAT.
19:03:42 SO MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO -- AND MR. SHELBY, I GUESS I
19:03:48 AM GOING TO WHAT YOU SAID, TOO -- IS MAKE IT A TWO PRONG
19:03:53 OR TWO PHASE APPROACH.
19:03:55 MAYBE THEY COME BACK ON MARCH 4th WITH A DRAFT, AND
19:03:58 THEN WE CAN WRESTLE WITH THE DRAFT, AND THEN HEAD TOWARD
19:04:03 THE 18th FOR THE FINAL ADOPTION.
19:04:06 SO IT'S SORT OF A COMPROMISE.
19:04:09 AND IT GIVES EVERYBODY THE ABILITY TO HAVE INPUT ON THE
19:04:14 4th WITH THE VARIOUS DRAFTS, AND WHATEVER THE DRAFT
19:04:19 THAT MIGHT COME ALONG BASED UPON WHAT THEY FIND.
19:04:24 MS. WELLS, ANY FEELING FROM THAT AS A COMPROMISE?
19:04:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN I SPEAK FIRST?
19:04:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, GO AHEAD.
19:04:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
19:04:32 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER -- I THINK I NEED TO SPEAK DIRECTLY
19:04:39 INTO THE MICROPHONE.
19:04:40 FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRES TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE
19:04:43 EITHER IN FULL, BY TITLE ONLY, AND THE AGENDA HAS TO GIVE
19:04:48 NOTICE OF IT.
19:04:48 WE HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE OF WHAT THE TITLE IS.
19:04:51 AND THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO
19:04:55 HAVE TWO READINGS, AND THE SECOND READING WOULD HAVE TO
19:04:58 BE AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING.
19:05:00 SO IF YOU COME BACK AND DON'T HAVE A TITLE OR YOU DON'T
19:05:03 KNOW WHICH ORDINANCE IS GOING TO BE ON THE 4th, I AM
19:05:09 CONCERNED THAT YOU WOULD NOT MEET THE STANDARDS NECESSARY
19:05:14 FOR FLORIDA STATUTES TO HAVE IT COME BACK ON THE 18th
19:05:18 FOR ADOPTION, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REFERENCED.
19:05:21 I JUST WANT US TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, THAT THERE ARE
19:05:23 CERTAIN PROCEDURAL --
19:05:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE THAT.
19:05:29 I WILL MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER.
19:05:31 WHAT I AM SAYING ON THE 4th, COME BACK AS A DRAFT,
19:05:36 NOT FIRST READING, ON THE 18th COME BACK FOR FIRST
19:05:38 READING AND TWO WEEKS COME BACK FOR SECOND READING.
19:05:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
19:05:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. WELLS, WERE YOU GOING TO
19:05:44 RESPOND?
19:05:45 NO?
19:05:46 MR. SHELBY.
19:05:50 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, OFF MOTION FOR A DRAFT ON MARCH
19:05:53 4th, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE, AND IF IT
19:05:56 GOES TO A FIRST READING, THE FIRST READING WOULD BE MARCH
19:05:59 18th.
19:05:59 IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
19:06:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT, THAT'S THE INTENT.
19:06:03 AND I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, I'M
19:06:08 SURE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR FROM ME AGAIN.
19:06:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
19:06:11 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
19:06:16 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY ALSO EXPLAIN.
19:06:19 NO CAN OF WORMS, I PROMISE.
19:06:21 AND I THINK MOST EVERYONE IS GOING TO AGREE WITH THIS
19:06:24 STATEMENT, WHICH IS I THINK WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO VOTE
19:06:27 TO PUSH THIS FORWARD.
19:06:29 THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS WHENEVER IT COMES TO DISTRICTS,
19:06:33 QUESTIONS THAT I WANT ANSWERED WITH REGARDS TO THE LEGAL
19:06:35 VIABILITY OF ANYTHING THAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON WITH
19:06:38 REGARDS TO CONSISTENCY WITH FLORIDA LAW, WITH REGARDS TO
19:06:41 OUTREACH TO THE AFFECTED COMMUNITY.
19:06:44 IT'S A REALLY BIG THING IF WE GO THROUGH ONE OF THESE
19:06:48 OPTIONS.
19:06:48 SO THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
19:06:51 I THINK TONIGHT WE ARE JUST GOING TO VOTE TO PUSH THIS
19:06:55 FORWARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, AND THEN WITHHOLD
19:06:58 DETERMINATION AND JUDGMENT ON WHAT IS BEFORE US AFTER
19:07:02 FURTHER CONSULTATION WITH ALL OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH I
19:07:05 CERTAINLY INTEND TO CONTINUE TO DO.
19:07:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS A MOTION
19:07:09 AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
19:07:11 ALL IN FAVOR?
19:07:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE.
19:07:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:07:16 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:07:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:07:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:07:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:07:24 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:07:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:07:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
19:07:32 BEING ABSENT.
19:07:32 >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULD I MAKE A SECOND MOTION WHILE
19:07:36 STAFF IS HERE OR WAIT?
19:07:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
19:07:38 >> CAN SOMEONE RESTATE THE MOTION FOR US PLEASE?
19:07:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN THE CLERK DO THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO
19:07:49 HAVE A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION?
19:07:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
19:07:55 [ LAUGHTER ]
19:07:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHO ASKED THE QUESTION?
19:07:58 CAROLE?
19:07:59 >>CAROLE POST: YES, SIR.
19:07:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE CAN REVIEW THE TRANSCRIPT
19:08:04 AND GET CLARITY OFF THE TRANSCRIPT.
19:08:12 IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
19:08:13 >> WELL, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, COUNCIL, IS IT WILL BE
19:08:17 IN THE MOTION WILL APPEAR IN THE ACTION SUMMARY, AND OF
19:08:22 COURSE --
19:08:26 >>CAROLE POST: I'M SORRY, I WASN'T LOOKING FOR A
19:08:29 VERBATIM, BUT JUST THE ESSENTIAL CONCEPT, I THINK JUST TO
19:08:34 ENSURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
19:08:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
19:08:38 IF MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT.
19:08:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
19:08:43 PLEASE DO IT.
19:08:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
19:08:47 THAT IT'S PURSUANT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE
19:08:51 FOLLOWING MODIFICATION.
19:08:57 NINE MONTH DURATION, 25 UNIT PER ACRE MAXIMUM DURING THE
19:09:07 PENDENCY OF THE MORATORIUM, INSTEAD OF 30% MIXED USE, 10%
19:09:12 MIXED USE, AND I THINK WE LEFT IT CITY-WIDE AT THIS
19:09:20 POINT, MR. CARLSON SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS DOING A FOLLOW-UP
19:09:23 MOTION ON THAT ISSUE.
19:09:26 AND ANYBODY KNOW IF I MISSED ANYTHING?
19:09:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, I THINK YOU GOT IT.
19:09:30 YOU COVERED ALL THE POINTS.
19:09:32 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:09:35 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION?
19:09:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:09:41 I WOULD LIKE -- AND TELL ME IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT -- BUT I
19:09:46 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT STAFF DEVELOP SOLUTIONS
19:09:49 FOR THE SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY -- I'M SORRY, SOLUTIONS
19:09:52 TO ADDRESS THE SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY CONCERNS OVER
19:10:01 DEVELOPMENT BY LOOKING AT REVISING THE TRANSPORTATION
19:10:11 CONCURRENCY EXCEPTION AREA AND/OR OTHER SOLUTIONS AND
19:10:17 REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL -- HOW LONG WOULD YOU NEED FOR
19:10:25 THAT?
19:10:26 >>CAROLE POST: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, RESPECTFULLY, THAT IS
19:10:31 AN EXTENSIVE UNDERTAKING AND IT IS ONE THAT IS
19:10:33 INCORPORATED INTO AT LEAST ONE IF NOT MORE OF THOSE
19:10:37 SEVERAL STUDIES THAT WE HAVE ALREADY INITIATED IN THE
19:10:40 CITY PLANNING OFFICE AND IN CONNECTION WITH OUR MOBILITY
19:10:44 DEPARTMENT.
19:10:47 I BELIEVE THAT THE MOTION THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
19:10:52 ENACTED GIVES US THE PAUSE TO BE ABLE OVER THE NINE
19:10:56 MONTHS TO PURSUE THOSE STUDIES.
19:10:59 WE CAN INCORPORATE THE CONCEPT THAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING,
19:11:04 AND FOR THE LONG-TERM PERMANENT PLAN.
19:11:08 BUT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO
19:11:11 THAT MOTION IN THE SHORT TERM.
19:11:14 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD WE SET IT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR
19:11:17 NINE MONTHS FROM NOW?
19:11:19 IS THAT REASONABLE ENOUGH?
19:11:23 >>CAROLE POST: NINE MONTHS?
19:11:25 >>BILL CARLSON: AND I SAY TCA AND/OR OTHER.
19:11:29 THE POINT IS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS A SOUTH OF
19:11:32 GANDY ONLY SOLUTION, AND IF YOU ALL WORK ON IT
19:11:35 CONCURRENTLY THEN MAYBE THE WORK WON'T BE DUPLICATED.
19:11:38 WHAT CAN WE DO IN NINE MONTHS?
19:11:41 GEARS DID.
19:11:42 >>RANDY GOERS: THIS IS RANDY GOERS.
19:11:44 AGAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN FOR SOUTH OF
19:11:47 GANDY IDENTIFIED THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE FUTURE TO
19:11:51 CREATE A LIVABLE COMMUNITY AND TO ADDRESS BARRIERS FOR E
19:12:02 INAUDIBLE.
19:12:03 TRANSPORTATION, TCPA, KEEPING IT A LIVABILITY OR
19:12:10 COMMUNITY QUALITY OF LIFE.
19:12:12 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT NOVEMBER 4th?
19:12:15 AND IF WE SET IT UP FOR ALSO YOU ALL HOPEFULLY WORK ON IT
19:12:20 INCREMENTALLY, AND THEN IF IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S REDUNDANT,
19:12:24 WE NEED TO WITHDRAW IT, WE CAN.
19:12:26 BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE IT ON THE CALENDAR.
19:12:29 DOES NOVEMBER 4 SOUND REASONABLE?
19:12:31 >>RANDY GOERS: YES.
19:12:32 IT WILL BE AT SOME POINT, IN THE COMMUNITY PLAN SO WE
19:12:39 HAVE A SOLUTION, A DRAFT SOLUTION, WE CAN BRING THAT.
19:12:43 IF WE NEED MORE TIME --
19:12:45 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU ALL WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN OR
19:12:47 ARE WE OKAY?
19:12:49 >> MOTION TO REQUEST THAT STAFF DEVELOP SOLUTIONS TO
19:12:52 ADDRESS SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY CONCERNS OF
19:12:53 OVERDEVELOPMENT BY LOOKING AT REVISING THE TCPA AND OR
19:12:57 OTHER SOLUTIONS AND REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 4.
19:13:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:13:02 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:13:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:13:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:13:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:13:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:13:13 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:13:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:13:16 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
19:13:18 BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
19:13:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:13:27 I AM WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO JUMP IN.
19:13:29 ALL RIGHT.
19:13:29 ITEM NUMBER 60.
19:13:30 THIS IS TO DISCUSS RESCINDING OUR APPROVED RESOLUTION
19:13:34 2021-7 THAT'S REGARDING THE WATER SKIING TEAM AT GADSDEN
19:13:40 PARK WHICH WE RECEIVED SEVERAL E-MAILS REGARDING THAT.
19:13:46 YES, SIR.
19:13:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE, COUNCIL THAT WAS A MOTION OF
19:13:50 COUNCILMAN CARLSON ON THE AGENDA.
19:13:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M READY TO VOTE.
19:13:56 MS. QUINN HAS BEEN HERE TEN HOURS WAITING FOR THIS.
19:14:00 DO WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO RESCIND THAT, COUNCILMAN
19:14:03 CARLSON?
19:14:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HE COULD DO THE MOTION TO --
19:14:09 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
19:14:11 RECONSIDER MOTION 2021-27 AUTHORIZING AGREEMENT BETWEEN
19:14:15 TAMPA WATER SKI SHOW TEAM AND THE CITY TO ALLOW FOR WATER
19:14:19 SKI PROGRAMS, EQUIPMENT AND THE CONSTRUCTION IMPROVEMENTS
19:14:22 AT GADSDEN PARK.
19:14:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION
19:14:26 FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON, SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER
19:14:29 CITRO.
19:14:29 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:14:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:14:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:14:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:14:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:14:37 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:14:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:14:39 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
19:14:42 BEING ABSENT.
19:14:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT IS --
19:14:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAIT, WE ARE NOT DONE YET.
19:14:48 THAT WAS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.
19:14:49 AND NOW THE SUBJECT IS ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILMAN
19:14:53 CARLSON.
19:14:54 DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION?
19:15:01 I CAN GIVE YOU CHOICES BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE INTENT OF
19:15:04 COUNCIL --
19:15:05 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO
19:15:07 RESCIND.
19:15:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER
19:15:12 DINGFELDER.
19:15:12 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:15:13 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:15:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:15:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:15:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:15:21 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:15:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:15:24 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
19:15:25 BEING ABSENT.
19:15:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY.
19:15:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, COUNCIL.
19:15:29 IN AN ADVERTISINGS OF THAT POSSIBILITY, I PREPARED A
19:15:32 RESOLUTION, AND I AM PRESENTING IT TO THE CLERK IF
19:15:36 COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE THAT RESOLUTION NEXT WEEK.
19:15:38 >> MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
19:15:40 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
19:15:42 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
19:15:43 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:15:44 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:15:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:15:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:15:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:15:52 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:15:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:15:56 >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
19:15:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR?
19:16:00 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MS. WYNN AND THE
19:16:03 MAYOR FOR PUTTING A PAUSE ON THIS AFTER WE MADE THE
19:16:09 MOTION.
19:16:11 THE COMMUNITY SPOKE OUT AND PAUSED IT RIGHT AWAY SO I
19:16:14 JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR DOING THAT.
19:16:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
19:16:20 ITEM NUMBER 61, WE HAVE A MEMO FROM MS. WIN TO CONTINUE
19:16:23 THIS ITEM TO JUNE 17, 2021.
19:16:25 DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, MS. WYNN?
19:16:30 >>OCEA WYNN: NO, SIR, CHAIR.
19:16:32 WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHICH ITEM THAT IS.
19:16:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE RENTAL CERTIFICATES PROGRAM.
19:16:37 >>OCEA WYNN: OH, YES, I HAVE NOTHING MORE ON THAT.
19:16:40 I JUST WANTED TO DO MORE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH TO FIND
19:16:44 ALTERNATIVES.
19:16:45 THAT'S IT.
19:16:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
19:16:46 DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JUNE 17,
19:16:50 2021? MOTION BY CITRO, SECOND BY GUDES.
19:16:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:16:55 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:16:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:16:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:17:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:17:03 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:17:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:17:05 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
19:17:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 62 REGARDING SOLAR
19:17:09 PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE CONVENTION CENTER.
19:17:11 WE HAVE A MEMO FROM MR. WHIT REMER.
19:17:14 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
19:17:16 OR WHIT IS ON THE LINE.
19:17:19 YES, SIR.
19:17:20 MR. REMER, GO AHEAD.
19:17:23 DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
19:17:27 >>WHIT REMER: HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
19:17:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. DINGFELDER, YES, SIR.
19:17:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ADD MAYOR BOTH OF THESE STAFF
19:17:37 FOLKS, PROFESSIONALS.
19:17:41 I'M JUST A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED.
19:17:44 WE SEEM TO BE KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
19:17:46 AND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WE PROBABLY STARTED TALKING ABOUT
19:17:49 IT 10, 15 YEARS AGO.
19:17:52 I UNDERSTAND ON THE OUTSIDE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME FUTURE
19:17:58 DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING ONTO THE ROOFTOP OF THE
19:18:02 CONVENTION CENTER AND THEREFORE WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT
19:18:05 SOLAR ON IT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS.
19:18:08 BUT WHIT, MAYBE I AM ASKING YOU THIS.
19:18:12 WHEN WOULD WE HAVE THAT ANSWER?
19:18:14 WHEN WOULD WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FROM A
19:18:17 FEASIBLE CONSTRUCTION PERSPECTIVE, AND ALSO FROM A
19:18:22 REALISTIC FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE?
19:18:24 OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO KEEP SAYING MAYBE WE'LL DO THIS,
19:18:28 MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY?
19:18:37 YOU ARE NOT --
19:18:39 >>> YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
19:18:41 >> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
19:18:44 GOOD EVENING.
19:18:45 UNA GARVEY, CONVENTION CENTER AND TOURISM DIRECTOR.
19:18:48 YES, COUNCIL, YOU WILL RECALL THAT THAT'S WHEN WE SIGNED
19:18:54 A RESOLUTION FOR THE INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPT FOR STAFF TO
19:19:00 COME BACK NOVEMBER 1st.
19:19:03 A COMPONENT OF THAT ALSO INCLUDED A MASTER PLAN TO BE
19:19:07 DEVELOPED.
19:19:08 AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING READY TO EMBARK ON THAT
19:19:11 MASTER PLAN UNDERNEATH THE DIRECTION OF BARRIO'S
19:19:17 ARCHITECT AND MS. CAPIN AND SET TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED BY
19:19:23 THE END OF THE SUMMER.
19:19:24 SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ANYMORE ABOUT ASPIRATIONAL
19:19:28 CONVERSATIONS, WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE MEAT AND
19:19:32 POTATOES, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THERE, AND OF COURSE
19:19:39 WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH WHIT AND HIS TEAM TO SEE WHAT IT
19:19:42 IS THAT MAKES IT FEASIBLE TO PUT SOLAR ON OUR ROOFTOP.
19:19:46 AND IT'S DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION.
19:19:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WITH THAT SAID, MS. GARVEY, WOULD YOU
19:19:54 AND YOUR TEAM AGREE TO INCLUDE SOLAR AS PART OF THE
19:20:00 ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IN THE SCOPING WITHIN THE MASTER
19:20:06 PLAN?
19:20:06 OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ABOUT WHAT THE RESULT IS,
19:20:09 BUT AT LEAST IF WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S PART OF THE
19:20:13 ALTERNATIVE --
19:20:23 >>UNA GARVEY: YOU CAN REST A ASSURED THAT KEY
19:20:25 STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY,
19:20:30 THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WE ARE
19:20:33 TAKING OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, AND WE'LL TAKE IT ALL
19:20:36 INTO CONSIDERATION, AND YES, SOLAR WILL BE SOMETHING THAT
19:20:40 WE WILL THINK ABOUT.
19:20:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THANK BOTH OF YOU.
19:20:44 MR. CHAIRMAN, MAYBE WE CAN DEFER THIS UNTIL UNA BRINGS
19:20:48 BACK THE MASTER PLAN.
19:20:51 WHEN WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT TO BE, IN THE FALL?
19:20:54 >>UNA GARVEY: IT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE MIDSUMMER OR SO.
19:20:57 I WOULD SAY BY SEPTEMBER WE SHOULD HAVE THAT.
19:21:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND YOU WILL BRING IT BACK TO US?
19:21:04 >>UNA GARVEY: ABSOLUTELY.
19:21:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:21:08 ANYBODY ELSE?
19:21:09 GREAT.
19:21:09 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
19:21:10 THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
19:21:11 >>UNA GARVEY: GOOD NIGHT, GENTLEMEN.
19:21:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD NIGHT.
19:21:15 NEXT UP IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE BANK.
19:21:18 ITEM NUMBER 63.
19:21:21 THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE THAT WAS BUILT THERE.
19:21:23 MS. FEELEY AND HER TEAM A FEW WEEKS AGO OUT THERE.
19:21:27 HAPPENED TO DRIVE BY, AND MS. FEELEY, GO AHEAD.
19:21:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
19:21:35 ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
19:21:39 I DID IT PROVIDE A MEMORANDUM ON THIS.
19:21:43 I DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THE SITE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME
19:21:48 TO SHARE MY SCREEN AND SHARE THOSE.
19:21:51 THAT STRUCTURE IS BUILT TO CODE.
19:21:55 IT HAS NOT RECEIVED FINAL CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION.
19:21:59 THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT REMAIN OUTSTANDING.
19:22:04 IT DOES MEET SETBACK.
19:22:05 IT DOES MEET HEIGHT REGULATIONS.
19:22:07 IT DOES MEET OPACITY.
19:22:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU SHOW A PICK STRUCTURE OF
19:22:11 THAT?
19:22:14 FROM HENDERSON OR AZEELE OR WHATEVER THAT CORNER IS?
19:22:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SURE.
19:22:20 I HAVE A COUPLE.
19:22:32 HOLD ON.
19:22:33 GIVE ME A MINUTE.
19:22:34 SO JUST, ALSO, THIS IS FROM AZEELE LOOKING WEST.
19:22:39 THIS IS AZEELE.
19:22:44 THERE IS A SIDEWALK, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THEIR THREE
19:22:47 LARGE GRAND OAKS ON THAT SIDE.
19:22:50 BUT THERE WAS SIDEWALK IN LIEU FEE IN THE AMOUNT OF
19:22:55 ROUGHLY $6,300 FOR THAT.
19:23:03 AND SORRY, I AM NOT NOW GOING.
19:23:17 GIVE ME A MOMENT.
19:23:18 SORRY.
19:23:19 THIS HAS BEEN ON SINCE 9:00 THIS MORNING AND I THINK IT'S
19:23:23 HAVING A MOMENT.
19:23:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN
19:23:27 DINGFELDER?
19:23:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I WAS HOPING THE PICTURE MIGHT
19:23:38 SHOW -- I'LL TALK WHILE YOU ARE DOING IT.
19:23:43 THE LESS-THAN-WONDERFUL ESTHETIC NATURE OF THIS PARKING
19:23:47 GARAGE.
19:23:48 YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE WHEN YOU GOT TO THAT CORNER YOU
19:23:50 LOOKED OVER AT THE BANK AND THE BANK ENTRANCE.
19:23:54 AND NOW WHEN YOU GET TO THAT CORNER, YOU LOOK BASICALLY
19:23:57 AT WHAT IS USUALLY ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW.
19:24:01 BUT NOW, THAT STRUCTURE THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT
19:24:05 THERE PROBABLY MINUS THE PARKING LOT IS NOW THE MAIN
19:24:11 FEATURE THAT YOU SEE AT THAT PREVIOUSLY LOVELY CORNER OF
19:24:15 HENDERSON AND AZEELE.
19:24:19 I RECOGNIZE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITHIN THE CODE
19:24:22 TO PROTECT US FROM THIS RATHER UNSIGHTLY GARAGE, BUT I
19:24:29 THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE -- AND I WOULD ASK AND ENCOURAGE
19:24:33 MS. FEELEY AND HER STAFF DOWN THE ROAD TO REMEMBER THIS,
19:24:39 AND MAYBE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREVENT
19:24:41 THIS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE.
19:24:45 UNLESS EVERYBODY DISAGREES WITH ME AND THINKS THIS IS A
19:24:49 GOOD LOOKING PROJECT.
19:24:50 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IN RELATION JUST TO THIS, THIS
19:25:00 IS DEFINITELY THE BARE BONES OF WHAT OPACITY SHOULD LOOK
19:25:05 LIKE.
19:25:05 I AGREE WITH YOU.
19:25:09 IT DOES MEET THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WHICH IS HARD TO SAY
19:25:12 BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER ALSO.
19:25:16 IN LOOKING AT THIS, LOOKED AT DIFFERENT SCREENING
19:25:28 OPTIONS, LOOK AT DIFFERENT CODE AMENDMENTS TO ENSURE THAT
19:25:30 ADDITIONAL SCREENING, LANDSCAPING.
19:25:33 NORMALLY THAT LANDSCAPING, PEOPLE WILL USE THAT TO MEET
19:25:37 THAT 80% OPACITY. IN THIS CASE THEY USED CONCRETE,
19:25:43 BECAUSE THE INTENT OF THAT, AS THE CARS GO UP THOSE RAMPS
19:25:48 WITH THAN THE HEADLIGHTS, THAT THAT LIGHT IS NOT VISIBLE,
19:25:52 THE CARS ARE NOT VISIBLE, SO DOES IT MEET THE INTENT?
19:25:56 YES.
19:25:57 IS IT ONE OF OUR FINER MOMENTS WITH CODE IMPLEMENTATION?
19:26:00 NO.
19:26:01 BUT THERE IS REALLY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO.
19:26:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NUMBER ONE, I AM NOT SURE I AGREE
19:26:08 WITH YOU THE OPACITY RULE, BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER SEE
19:26:12 OPEN SPACES AND METAL FENCES AS OPPOSED TO ALL THIS
19:26:16 CONCRETE.
19:26:16 SO MAYBE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
19:26:19 AND NUMBER TWO IS, THE FACT THAT THEY PUT THE GARAGE ON
19:26:26 THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ON THE MAIN TWO STREETS THERE,
19:26:32 MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT TO SAY YOUR GARAGE
19:26:35 STRUCTURE NEEDS TO GO IN THE REAR.
19:26:37 I KNOW IN THIS CASE THEY DON'T HAVE A REAR TO PUT IT IN.
19:26:40 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THERE'S BEEN A PARKING LOT THERE
19:26:44 FOREVER.
19:26:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A DESERTED PARKING LOT WHICH IS FINE
19:26:50 BUT THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE.
19:26:51 OKAY.
19:26:52 I HAVE TAKEN UP ENOUGH OF MY TIME.
19:26:53 I THIS I AM THAT GETS THE POINT AND MAYBE WE CAN MAKE
19:26:56 SOME CHANGES IN THE CODE DOWN THE ROAD.
19:26:57 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:26:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:27:01 NEXT IS FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE A REPORT ON THE CREDIT CARD
19:27:04 ISSUES OF NONCREDIT USERS SUPPORTING CREDIT CARD USERS.
19:27:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I TOLD MR. ROGERO IF
19:27:16 UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS CAN WE CAN PUT IT OFF FOR
19:27:19 TWO WEEKS.
19:27:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT TWO WEEKS PLEASE UNLESS YOU THINK
19:27:22 IT WILL DESTROY THE DISCUSSION.
19:27:25 THERE ARE NO SHORT DISCUSSIONS.
19:27:27 YOU MIGHT GET DONE MIRACULOUSLY.
19:27:30 HOW ABOUT MARCH 4?
19:27:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT IT ON A NORMAL
19:27:37 DAY.
19:27:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE ARE NO MORE NORMAL DAYS.
19:27:41 DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS TO MARCH 4, SIR, UNDER STAFF
19:27:44 REPORTS?
19:27:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
19:27:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
19:27:47 DINGFELDER.
19:27:49 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
19:27:50 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:27:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:27:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:28:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:28:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:28:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:28:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:28:08 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
19:28:10 BEING ABSENT.
19:28:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 66.
19:28:13 THIS IS ABOUT FUTURE PUBLIC HEARINGS PERTAINING TO
19:28:17 NOTICES OF INTENT TO SUSPEND ALCOHOL AND BEVERAGES.
19:28:26 WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE LINE.
19:28:33 WHO WISHES TO SPEAK?
19:28:35 THIS IS A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:28:37 AS NOW WE HAVE SPECIAL CALLED MEETINGS SET UP TO DEAL
19:28:41 WITH THESE CASES ON THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SUSPENSION.
19:28:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU KNOW WHAT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
19:28:48 THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT OFF, WE CAN
19:28:51 PUT IT OFF.
19:28:55 MY MOTION IS THAT AT SOME POINT WE SHOULD ESTABLISH A
19:28:58 HEARING OFFICER PROCESS FOR THESE TYPES OF CASES DOWN THE
19:29:01 ROAD.
19:29:03 I HAVE MADE THAT POINT A FEW TIMES JUST LIKE CODE
19:29:06 ENFORCEMENT HANDLES MOTOR CASES.
19:29:15 I AM SORRY, MS. GRIMES.
19:29:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. GRIMES, YOU ARE STILL HERE?
19:29:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
19:29:25 >> I DON'T THINK SHE'S LISTENING.
19:29:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY GOODNESS.
19:29:28 WHEN DO YOU WANT TO PUT THIS OFF FOR, SIR, MARCH 4, MARCH
19:29:32 18?
19:29:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE 4th WILL BE FINE.
19:29:37 MARCH 4th.
19:29:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE IT TO MARCH 4th UNDER
19:29:41 STAFF REPORTS.
19:29:42 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
19:29:43 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
19:29:45 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:29:45 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
19:29:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:29:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:29:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:29:52 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
19:29:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
19:29:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO RESPONSE.
19:29:59 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA
19:30:01 BEING ABSENT.
19:30:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARRIVED TO THE FINAL ITEM OF THE
19:30:04 NIGHT.
19:30:05 THIS IS A MOTION THAT I HAVE MADE.
19:30:06 I RECEIVED A MEMO FROM VIK BHIDE OVER IN TRANSPORTATION
19:30:11 REGARDING THAT WE GO BACK TO LANGUAGE OF THE PREVIOUS
19:30:14 RULES REGARDING PARKING DOWNTOWN.
19:30:17 I KNOW COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOU HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS AS WELL
19:30:20 REGARDING BORDERS.
19:30:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUICKLY, WE HAVE ALL BEEN HERE WAY TOO
19:30:27 LONG, BUT QUICKLY, VIK, YOU DO WONDERFUL WORK AND I THANK
19:30:31 YOU FOR ALL THE WORK YOU DO.
19:30:33 WE HAVE RECEIVED SO MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT CHURCHES
19:30:36 DOWNTOWN.
19:30:42 CAP TO THE NORTH, FLORIDA TO THE WEST, PIERCE TO THE
19:30:45 EAST, KENNEDY TO THE SOUTH.
19:30:47 FOREGOING ANY TYPE OF PARKING FEES ON SUNDAY.
19:30:52 AND, YES, I AGREE WITH THAT.
19:30:55 I'M GOING TO SAY, HOWEVER, THERE IS MUCH MORE THAT THESE
19:30:59 CHURCHES DO DURING THE WEEK.
19:31:02 WHETHER IT BE AA MEETINGS, WHETHER IT BE CHOIR PRACTICE,
19:31:06 WHETHER IT BE FEEDING THE HOMELESS, WHETHER IT BE --
19:31:09 WHATEVER THESE CHURCHES DO.
19:31:10 IF WE ARE GOING TO SAY IT'S FREE FOR THE PARISHIONERS,
19:31:13 WHY ISN'T IT GOING TO BE FREE FOR EVERYTHING THAT
19:31:16 CHURCHES DO?
19:31:17 AND THERE ARE OTHER CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THAT AREA.
19:31:21 SO I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
19:31:26 KEEPING THAT AREA IN WHICH I HAVE SPECIFIED AFTER 6:00 AT
19:31:32 NIGHT, FREE PARKING, SEVEN DAYS A WEAK.
19:31:38 SO UNTIL SUCH TIME WHEN THESE CHURCHES -- CAN BE
19:31:48 ACCEPTABLE.
19:31:48 FOR NOW I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT FREE SEVEN DAYS A WEAK,
19:31:52 6:00 AT NIGHT UNTIL WHATEVER IT IS NOW, 6 IN THE MORNING,
19:31:59 5 IN THE MORNING.
19:32:00 THAT IS MY REQUEST FOR YOU, VIK.
19:32:02 >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
19:32:07 SO BASED ON THE MOTION MADE, WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER
19:32:12 SOMETHING THAT WAS TEMPORARY IN NATURE, AND SO WE
19:32:18 PROPOSED SOMETHING FOR SIX MONTHS.
19:32:21 BUT THE DISCUSSION WAS FOR SUNDAY.
19:32:26 AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE EXTEND IT FROM 8 A.M. TO 2 P.M.
19:32:34 AND SO THROUGH SUNDAY TO 2 P.M., WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHY,
19:32:40 WE ARE PROPOSING FREE PARKING, BASED ON WHAT THE
19:32:44 DISCUSSION WAS THE LAST TIME.
19:32:47 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, IF I
19:32:52 CAN HAVE ONE MORE SECOND, PLEASE.
19:32:54 I THANK YOU FOR GOING AHEAD WITH THIS.
19:32:55 I DO APPRECIATE IT.
19:32:56 HOWEVER, YOU ARE TAKING THE GOOD WORK OF PARISHIONERS AND
19:33:02 THE CHURCHES DO AND YOU ARE TOTALLY ELIMINATING ALL THE
19:33:07 OTHER WORK THAT THEY DO WITH THE COMMUNITY.
19:33:12 SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT THIS WAY.
19:33:14 I'LL TAKE WHAT I CAN GET.
19:33:16 HOWEVER, I WISH THAT YOU WOULD RECONSIDER.
19:33:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:33:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU.
19:33:28 I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES THAT FLOW
19:33:38 FROM THE ORDINANCE, OR THE CODE CHANGE THAT WE MADE THAT
19:33:44 WE DIDN'T EXPECT, AND NOW WE ARE SEEING THEM HAPPEN,
19:33:52 COMPLAINTS FROM THE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, WE ARE
19:33:54 GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM THE APARTMENT DWELLERS, WE ARE
19:33:56 GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM OTHER INSTITUTIONAL USES, AS YOU
19:34:01 POINTED OUT, JOE.
19:34:04 AND SO I THINK THE WAY TO GET -- AND I'M SORRY FOR THIS,
19:34:12 VIK.
19:34:12 I KNOW YOU HAVE A PROGRESSIVE MIND AND YOU WANT TO DO THE
19:34:15 BEST THING.
19:34:16 BUT I THINK WE SHOULD REPEAL WHAT WE DID AND GO BACK TO
19:34:20 THE DRAWING BOARD.
19:34:24 AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GET TO WHERE YOU WANT
19:34:27 TO GO, JOE.
19:34:29 BECAUSE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO STAFF, WE READ WHAT'S ON
19:34:33 THE BOOKS ON THE BOOKS, THEN BASICALLY WE HAVE GIVEN ALL
19:34:39 THAT DISCRETION UP TO STAFF.
19:34:42 OVER THE YEARS, THEY CAN CHANGE THINGS, MODIFY THINGS,
19:34:45 AND NO NOTICE TO COUNCIL, NO NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY IS
19:34:49 REQUIRED.
19:34:50 AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S YOU, VIK.
19:34:52 YOU AND I CAN BE LONG GONE BY THEN AND OTHER STAFF PEOPLE
19:34:56 COULD PROCEED ACCORDINGLY.
19:34:57 BUT JOE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MY GOOD FRIEND MR.
19:35:00 BHIDE, I THINK WE SHOULD REPEAL WHAT WE DID.
19:35:04 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I AGREE WITH YOU.
19:35:07 I THINK WE SHOULD APPROACH THIS NOT FROM SCRATCH, BUT USE
19:35:11 THE TEMPLATE THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN MAKE A BETTER
19:35:16 DECISION MOVING FORWARD, I THINK, BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD
19:35:18 SO MANY CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY, DIFFERENT ASPECTS,
19:35:20 NOT JUST CHURCHES, BUT MASONIC LODGE, PEOPLE THAT
19:35:24 VOLUNTEER, PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE RIVERWALK, RESIDENTS,
19:35:26 VISITORS, WHOMEVER.
19:35:28 SO I THINK COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS RIGHT.
19:35:31 WE SHOULD GO TO THE BEGINNING.
19:35:36 COUNCILMAN GUDES?
19:35:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT MEANS THAT WE BRING EVERYTHING,
19:35:44 THAT MEANS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE YBOR SITUATION WITH THE
19:35:49 WORKERS AND THEIR PARKING.
19:35:50 IS THAT WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING?
19:35:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
19:35:52 THE ENTIRE PACKAGE.
19:35:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
19:35:55 I CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
19:35:56 >>VIK BHIDE: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
19:36:03 I KNOW THE MOTION HASN'T BEEN MADE YET BUT WHAT WOULD BE
19:36:06 THE PURPOSE OF REVISITING THE ENTIRE POLICY?
19:36:09 BECAUSE THAT POLICY WAS PUT INTO PLACE, AND COUNCIL ASKED
19:36:14 IT FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE BASED ON A SPECIFIC STUDY DONE
19:36:17 BY THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, AND IT GOES IN CONCERT WITH
19:36:22 WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
19:36:26 NOW, IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT -- AND WE WILL WORK WITH YOU
19:36:33 TO MITIGATE THOSE, BUT GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD,
19:36:38 WHAT PROBLEM WOULD WE BE TRYING TO SOLVE?
19:36:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, I KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN A BIG
19:36:45 ADVOCATE FOR PARKING DOWNTOWN, AND I KNOW THAT OUR
19:36:50 PARKING IS NOT UP TO WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE, AND I
19:36:57 UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE SOME FUNDS THAT CAN BE RAISED
19:37:00 THROUGH THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
19:37:02 BUT THE SECTION IN WHICH I PULLED OUT, THERE ARE MORE
19:37:07 CHURCHES PER DENSITY THAT DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING
19:37:12 FACILITY.
19:37:14 THERE ARE MORE COMMUNITY THINGS, AND THERE ARE LESS
19:37:20 BUSINESSES OPEN AFTER 6:00, 7:00 AT NIGHT.
19:37:25 SO I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH MY AREA THAT I PUT OUT.
19:37:33 THAT'S THE AREA THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT.
19:37:36 SO, YES, IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING,
19:37:40 LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE AGAIN, FINE.
19:37:45 I'M LOOKING FROM CASS TO FLORIDA TO PIERCE TO KENNEDY.
19:37:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
19:37:50 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M USUALLY THE ONE WHO IS PUSHING TO
19:37:56 PROTECT THE POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL.
19:37:58 IN THIS CASE, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW STAFF TO
19:38:02 CONTINUE WITH THE EXISTING PLAN THAT WE PUT FORWARD.
19:38:08 I MEAN, WE HAPPEN TO HAVE PARTICULARLY GOOD STAFF AND
19:38:11 IT'S ALWAYS POSSIBLE THAT WE WON'T IN THE FUTURE.
19:38:13 BUT CITY COUNCIL ALSO CAN CALL THEM IN AND QUESTION THEM
19:38:16 IF SOMETHING COMES UP.
19:38:21 BUT WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, TO WHATEVER LECH MECHANISM WE
19:38:25 NEED, WE SUSPEND THE 8 TO 2 PARKING SITUATION
19:38:30 IMMEDIATELY, AND THEN WHAT I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO
19:38:33 DO IS SPEND THE NEXT MONTH, OR COUPLE WEEKS, SPEAKING
19:38:37 WITH VIK AND SEEING IF HE CAN COME UP WITH SURGICAL, AS I
19:38:41 SAID LAST TIME, SURGICAL SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF OPENING THE
19:38:44 WHOLE THING BACK UP AGAIN.
19:38:45 WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP A WHOLE DAY TO DEAL WITH THIS
19:38:48 ALSO.
19:38:49 WE HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THAT, AND THESE SMALL PARTS
19:38:52 THAT WE NEEDED TO TWEAK.
19:38:54 THANK YOU.
19:38:54 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:38:55 IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE?
19:38:57 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
19:39:04 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, MR. DINGFELDER.
19:39:06 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
19:39:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON ONE THING
19:39:13 THAT MR. BHIDE SAID.
19:39:14 HE SAID, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL PASSED AN ORDINANCE AND A
19:39:18 POLICY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO
19:39:22 ACCOMPLISH.
19:39:23 I THINK THAT SOMETIMES WE GET UP THERE IN OUR IVORY
19:39:29 TOWERS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO
19:39:32 ACCOMPLISH, BUT THEN WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, AND
19:39:35 WE START GETTING 100, 200 E-MAILS FROM ALL SORTS OF FOLKS
19:39:42 WHO EITHER LIVE OR WORK OR PLAY DOWNTOWN, WE HEAR
19:39:48 DIFFERENT PARTS OF WHAT THE CITY THINKS ABOUT THIS IDEA.
19:39:52 AT WHICH POINT I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING
19:39:56 BOARD.
19:39:56 AND I AM NOT SAYING I HAVE THE ANSWER.
19:39:59 AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME MIDDLE GROUND.
19:40:01 BUT AS OF TODAY, MY MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, OR I WILL ASK
19:40:05 YOU TO PASS THE GAVEL AND YOU MAKE THE MOTION, TO REPEAL
19:40:11 WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY DID, AND THEN WE COULD START OVER
19:40:16 AGAIN WITH PERHAPS A HECK OF A LOT MORE PUBLIC DIALOGUE
19:40:21 AND INPUT.
19:40:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION?
19:40:24 I DON'T MIND WHO GETS THE CREDIT OR WHO GETS THE --
19:40:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST MADE THE MOTION.
19:40:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:40:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: REPEALING THE ORDINANCE.
19:40:35 MR. SHELBY CAN HELP ME WITH THE DETAILS.
19:40:37 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I WANT TO BUILD UPON SOMETHING THAT
19:40:41 COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS IF WE ARE TRYING
19:40:44 TO NARROWLY FOCUS WITH REGARDS TO SUNDAYS, AND AGAIN IT'S
19:40:48 LATE, SO I AM GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
19:40:50 WHY WEE REPEAL THE WHOLE THING?
19:40:52 I KNOW COUNCILMAN CITRO TALKED ABOUT OTHER DAYS.
19:40:55 BUT WHY REPEAL THE WHOLE THING IF WE ARE JUST WORRIED
19:40:59 ABOUT SUNDAYS?
19:41:02 RIDDLE ME THAT.
19:41:04 I DON'T KNOW.
19:41:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY.
19:41:06 I READ THEM VERY CAREFULLY.
19:41:09 A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WERE MUCH BROADER THAN JUST SUNDAY.
19:41:14 ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NEW APARTMENT DWELLERS,
19:41:18 THAT SORTED OF THING, VISITORS AND GUESTS HAVE NO WHERE
19:41:23 TO PARK.
19:41:24 >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT.
19:41:28 SO WE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS AS WELL FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE
19:41:33 RESIDENTS WITHIN DOWNTOWN, AND WE MADE SEVERAL
19:41:35 ACCOMMODATIONS FOR IT.
19:41:37 ONE, WE HAVE MADE TWO LOTS AVAILABLE OVERNIGHT AT A VERY
19:41:41 LOW RATE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STORE THEIR VEHICLES,
19:41:48 IF THEY WERE PARKING ON STREET, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A
19:41:51 REGIONAL LOT BUT HAVE 110 SPACES, AT $23 A MONTH.
19:41:58 BY ANY DOWNTOWN STANDARDS THAT'S A LOW RATE.
19:42:00 THE OTHER THING IS, YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS
19:42:03 THAT DO PARK OR USED TO BARK ON THE STREET, USED TO BE
19:42:09 FREE AFTER 6:00 P.M.
19:42:11 IT IS NOW PAID UNTIL MIDNIGHT.
19:42:15 IT'S STILL FREE AFTER MIDNIGHT SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
19:42:18 SIX HOURS.
19:42:18 BUT EVEN FOR THAT WE MAKE LOW COST ACCOMMODATIONS FOR
19:42:24 THOSE RESIDENTS OR GUESTS THAT COME IN.
19:42:30 IF THE EXPECTATION IS THEY PARK FOR FREE ON STREET, A LOT
19:42:35 OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH -- AND I
19:42:38 UNDERSTAND THERE ARE RESIDENTS, AND THERE WILL BE MEMBERS
19:42:42 OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SOME CONCERN IN THE SHORT
19:42:45 TERM, BUT IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH
19:42:48 PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT IS A MEASURE THAT HAS BEEN
19:42:51 STUDIED AND TESTED IN LIMITING OR REDUCING PARKING
19:42:56 REQUIREMENTS FOR INCREASING DENSITY, FOR REDUCING
19:43:01 PROPERTY VALUES.
19:43:04 WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IF THAT HAPPENS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS
19:43:07 THERE WILL BE EXCEEDING PRESSURE ON OUR ON-STREET PARKING
19:43:12 RESOURCES.
19:43:13 AND IF THEY ARE NOT PRICED CORRECTLY OR IF THEY ARE NOT
19:43:16 SIGNALED CORRECTLY WE'LL BE ABUSING WHICH WE NEED TO MOVE
19:43:24 TO LOW CARBON TRANSPORTATION URGENTLY.
19:43:27 WE KNOW NOW FROM SEA LEVEL RISE DATA AND EVERYTHING ELSE
19:43:31 THAT SOMEWHERE AROUND 2050 WE ARE GOING TO SEE
19:43:35 SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
19:43:37 IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE CERTAIN ACTIONS ON ALL OF OUR
19:43:40 PARTS, AND WE FASHION A POLICY ALONG WITHIN YOU THAT IN
19:43:49 MY OPINION IS REASONABLE.
19:43:51 NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH
19:43:55 COUNCIL OTHER ISSUE OF SUNDAY OR WEEKENDS.
19:44:00 WITHIN A TARGETED AREA, FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE THAT IS
19:44:03 UNDERSTOOD.
19:44:04 BUT IF WE KEEP MAKING IT BROADER, THERE IS A CONCERN OF
19:44:09 THAT WITH A IS SLIPPERY SLOPE AT SOME POINT AND WHAT
19:44:15 ULTIMATELY IS A POLICY DIRECTIVE.
19:44:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
19:44:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT MY DISTRICT.
19:44:23 I HAVE ALL THE PARKING, DOWNTOWN, CHANNELSIDE, YBOR CITY.
19:44:28 SO I'M REAL COMPASSIONATE ABOUT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN
19:44:35 DOWNTOWN, THE PARISHIONERS THAT GO AND THOSE OTHER GROUPS
19:44:39 THAT DO PARTICIPATE IN DOWNTOWN.
19:44:41 BUT THEN I HAVE MY PEOPLE IN YBOR WHO ARE ALSO CRAIG.
19:44:46 SO IF WE MAKE A CONCESSION IN DOWNTOWN, THEN I AM GOING
19:44:50 TO HAVE THE YBOR FOLKS SAYING, WELL, WHERE IS OUR
19:44:53 CONCESSION FOR OUR EMPLOYEES?
19:44:55 WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THAT?
19:44:56 SO IF WE ARE GOING TO REPEAL SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO MAKE
19:44:59 SURE WE TAKE ALL THE OTHER FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT FOR A NEW
19:45:03 PLAN OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO HELP THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE
19:45:06 TRYING TO MAKE IT EVERY DAY, NOT COMING OUT TO THE JOB,
19:45:10 HAVING TO PAY FOR PARKING, AND HAVE DISCUSSION WITH
19:45:14 COMMUNITIES, AS WE NORMALLY DO, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY
19:45:17 HERE IT IS.
19:45:18 BUT JUST TO TRY TO CUT AND PASTE, BECAUSE TO CUT AND
19:45:25 PASTE RATED NOW, IN DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW, I CAN GUARANTEE
19:45:28 YOU OUR PHONE WILL RING OFF THE HOOK, ESPECIALLY MINE,
19:45:32 THAT YOU LEFT US OUT.
19:45:33 YOU LEFT US OUT.
19:45:35 AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
19:45:36 AND $23 IS A GOOD PRAISE FOR A MONTHLY PARKING BUT AGAIN
19:45:43 PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THEY WANT TRANSPORTATION.
19:45:47 PEOPLE IN FLANGE HAVE CARS.
19:45:49 AND I DON'T SEE PEOPLE NOT BUYING CARS TO GO AWAY BECAUSE
19:45:52 WE DON'T HAVE BEEN THAT TRANSPORTATION, SO CARS ARE GOING
19:45:56 TO BE HERE IN TAMPA, YOU KNOW.
19:45:57 SO IF YOU TALK ABOUT A PARKING GARAGE, I'M TELLING YOU,
19:46:02 THESE DEVELOPERS NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE PARKING IS
19:46:06 ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AND IF I HAVE AN APARTMENT IN
19:46:08 DOWNTOWN, I WANT TO PARK MY CAR.
19:46:13 THE RENT MAY BE HIGH, WHERE DO I BARK MY CAR AT?
19:46:18 I HAVE TO PARK MY CAR IN THE STREET AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR
19:46:20 THIS.
19:46:22 AND PROVIDING AN OUT.
19:46:24 AGAIN THOSE CONVERSATIONS NEED TO BE HELD, AND ALSO THOSE
19:46:31 CONDOS, ASSOCIATIONS, WHATEVER, THAT KICKS THIS INTO ONE
19:46:37 BUCKET.
19:46:38 AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
19:46:45 TO COME BACK WITH SOME IDEAS, OKAY, HOW DO WE WORK WITH
19:46:48 THAT, HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE WORKERS IN YBOR?
19:46:51 BUT TO CUT AND PASTE, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS CUT AND PASTE
19:46:55 AND LEAVING SOMETHING ELSE OUT.
19:46:57 IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT, YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT.
19:46:59 >> COUNCILMAN CITRO.
19:47:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:47:05 VIK, WE WORK A LOT TOGETHER AND I THANK YOU FOR
19:47:07 EVERYTHING YOU DO.
19:47:09 BUT SLIPPERY SLOPE WAS WHEN THIS CITY GAVE FROM KENNEDY
19:47:14 SOUTH PARKING REVENUES TO A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM IN
19:47:18 THIS TOWN.
19:47:18 THE SLIPPERY SLOPE CAME WHEN WE GAVE AWAY THE ONLY
19:47:21 PARKING GARAGE THAT WOULD TAKE MONEY AT PGA.
19:47:25 THAT WAS A SLIPPERY SLOPE.
19:47:28 OKAY, I AM COMING BACK TO EARTH.
19:47:30 SORRY, VIK.
19:47:31 AND YOU WEREN'T HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
19:47:33 BUT IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE SAID.
19:47:38 YOU HAVE HEARD ME.
19:47:39 YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID.
19:47:41 IF NECESSARY, MY REQUEST COULD BE CHANGED TO AFTER
19:47:45 MIDNIGHT, GO BACK TO CHARGING FOR PARKING UNTIL 6:00 THE
19:47:50 NEXT DAY.
19:47:52 MR. CHAIR, I HAVE SAID ENOUGH ALREADY.
19:47:54 THANK YOU.
19:47:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:47:56 AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE IT OUT.
19:47:59 AND SAY GOOD NIGHT.
19:48:02 YOU ARE MUTED.
19:48:03 YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
19:48:05 MUTED.
19:48:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, IF IT WERE COUNCIL'S
19:48:12 DESIRE TO REPEAL WHAT WE DID A FEW MONTHS AGO, IT CAN BE
19:48:19 COMPLETELY -- AND THAT DOESN'T MANY THAT MR. BHIDE CAN'T
19:48:21 COME BACK AND START THE PROCESS AGAIN, PERHAPS WITH A
19:48:24 MORE SURGICAL APPROACH.
19:48:29 HE CAN.
19:48:29 AND I'M SURE HE WILL.
19:48:31 BUT HE'S A PERSISTENT GUY.
19:48:33 WITH A MISSION.
19:48:34 AND I RESPECT THAT.
19:48:35 BUT RIGHT NOW, FOR PURPOSES OF ACCOMPLISHING WHAT I THINK
19:48:39 THE MAJORITY OF US WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, I THINK WE SHOULD
19:48:42 REPEAL WHAT THIS COUNCIL DID.
19:48:45 CAN WE DO THAT TONIGHT, MR. SHELBY?
19:48:47 OR DO WE HAVE TO SET THE APPEAL HEARING FOR A FEW DATE?
19:48:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN
19:48:55 SIGNED INTO LAW, AND THE EFFECT OF IT IS SOMETHING THAT
19:49:03 WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH BY A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
19:49:07 SO YES, WOULD YOU REPEAL IT BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO REPEAL
19:49:10 IT, BUT STILL IN THE ORDINANCE RESTORE THE LANGUAGE THAT
19:49:15 WAS STRUCK BY THIS ORDINANCE NOW.
19:49:18 I WOULD REFER THIS TO LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK --
19:49:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION WAS TWO WEEKS
19:49:24 AGO OR A WEEK AGO WHENEVER WE SET THIS.
19:49:28 WE DIRECTED STAFF AND LEGAL TO COME BACK WITH A REPEAL
19:49:33 PROCESS.
19:49:34 SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
19:49:36 SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT AS TO WHY IT DIDN'T
19:49:39 HAPPEN.
19:49:39 BUT MY MOTION WOULD TO BE REPEAL WHAT WE DID SEVERAL
19:49:45 MONTHS AGO AND TAKE IT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE SEVERAL
19:49:47 MONTHS AGO, AND THEN MR. BHIDE AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN
19:49:50 MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER ELSE MIGHT BE LEFT ON THE
19:49:56 TABLE.
19:49:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. ZELMAN.
19:49:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S MY MOTION RIGHT NOW AND I'M
19:50:01 LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
19:50:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:50:03 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
19:50:04 I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO GET US OFF.
19:50:10 I THINK THE MISUNDERSTANDING -- AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK
19:50:13 FOR MR. BHIDE, AND I WAS HERE WHEN YOU RAISED THIS ISSUE.
19:50:17 HE WAS RESPONDING TO THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SUNDAY CHURCH
19:50:20 GOERS AND HE CAME BACK TO YOU AND EXPLAINED THE WAY THE
19:50:24 ORDINANCE WAS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, YOU DON'T NEED ANY KIND
19:50:28 OF AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THAT, THE
19:50:32 WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW.
19:50:33 THEY CAN SIMPLY CHANGE THE HOURS ON THE METERS.
19:50:36 IT SOUNDS AS IF NOW YOU ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING BIGGER
19:50:39 BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ADDRESS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN
19:50:43 DOWNTOWN AND POSSIBLY YBOR AND POSSIBLY THE CHANNEL
19:50:47 DISTRICT SO MY SUGGESTION IS RATHER THAN TRYING TO REPEAL
19:50:50 THE WHOLE ORDINANCE TONIGHT AND THEN OR THE NEXT MEETING
19:50:53 AND COMING BACK, FIGURING OUT HOW TO REINSTATE THE PRIOR
19:50:58 LANGUAGE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE A MOTION TONIGHT ASKING
19:51:01 HIM TO COME BACK IN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, WITH A
19:51:04 PROPOSAL, AS TO WHEN THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN NOW CAN BE
19:51:08 TWEAKED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED TONIGHT,
19:51:14 OR WHETHER YOU WOULD NEED TO REPEAL THE NEW ORDINANCE AND
19:51:18 READOPT WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY -- MAYBE GIVE HIM SOME TIME
19:51:22 TO LOOK AT THAT AND OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT WITH HIM.
19:51:25 BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE KIND OF GONE BEYOND WHAT WAS
19:51:29 DISCUSSED WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY MADE THIS MOTION.
19:51:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:51:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY, I DON'T HAVE THE MINUTES OR THE
19:51:35 TRANSCRIPTS FROM THAT EARLIER DISCUSSION.
19:51:37 BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE DELEGATED A HUGE AMOUNT OF OUR OWN
19:51:42 AUTHORITY IN REGARD TO THIS ISSUE.
19:51:46 AND WE DID IT WITH HARDLY ANY DISCUSSION WHATSOEVER.
19:51:49 WE DID MORE, TO MY RECOLLECTION, IN TERMS OF THE
19:51:55 POTENTIAL IMPACTS, ET CETERA.
19:51:57 WE HAVE NOW, PANDORA'S BOX HAS NOW BEEN OPENED, AND WE
19:52:02 SEE WHAT SORT OF IMPACTS WE ARE LOOKING AT.
19:52:04 WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN OR YBOR OR
19:52:06 WHAT HAVE YOU.
19:52:07 I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, AND
19:52:10 REPEAL AND TAKE-WHICH WILL TAKE US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE
19:52:15 SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
19:52:16 WE OBVIOUSLY HAD A WORKING SYSTEM SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
19:52:19 BUT WE REPEAL THIS, WE WILL GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE
19:52:22 SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND THEN MR. BHIDE CAN COME BACK TO
19:52:25 US INCREMENTALLY AND SAY, WELL, WE HEARD YOU, BUT WE WANT
19:52:30 DON'T ADDRESS THIS WHOLE ISSUE OR THIS SMALL ISSUE, THIS
19:52:33 SMALL ISSUE, AS OPPOSED TO THIS TOTAL DELEGATION THAT WE
19:52:38 DID.
19:52:38 SO AGAIN, I'LL RESTATE MY MOTION AND LOOK FOR A SECOND,
19:52:42 TO DIRECT LEGAL STAFF TO CAM BACK WITH A REPEAL ORDINANCE
19:52:47 OVER EVERYTHING WE DID, AND WHAT WAS THE DATE, MR.
19:52:49 SHELBY?
19:52:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE.
19:52:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
19:52:58 I'M SURE SOMEBODY CAN COME UP WITH IT.
19:53:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, AROUND THERE.
19:53:03 >>VIK BHIDE: NOVEMBER 27th.
19:53:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOVEMBER 27th, REPEAL WHAT WE DID
19:53:07 THEN AND TAKE US BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
19:53:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO COUNCILMAN
19:53:12 DINGFELDER'S MOTION?
19:53:12 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
19:53:14 SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER GUDES.
19:53:15 COUNCILMEMBER VIERA?
19:53:16 >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION, IF I
19:53:19 MAY, MR. BHIDE, WHICH IS, ARE YOU RIGHT NOW COLLECTING
19:53:22 PARKING FEES SUNDAY UNTIL, WHAT IS IT WE ARE TALKING
19:53:26 ABOUT, 1 P.M. OR WHATEVER IT IS?
19:53:28 >>VIK BHIDE WE ARE NOT.
19:53:29 AND WE ALSO PUT SIGNS OUT THERE AND CURRENTLY WITHIN THE
19:53:35 GEOGRAPHY THAT WE SAID, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENFORCING OR
19:53:39 COLLECTING FINES.
19:53:41 THE FIRST WEAK ON THE SUNDAY THAT WE IMPLEMENTED A POLICY
19:53:46 WAS JUST THE FIRST SUNDAY IN JANUARY.
19:53:48 WE DID CREATE 15 CITATIONS WITHIN THAT LIMITED GEOGRAPHY.
19:53:57 OF WHICH IT WAS VOIDED OUT AND THE ONE THAT WAS PAID HAS
19:54:06 BEEN REFUNDED.
19:54:10 THE POLICY GOING FORWARD, SOME OF THE CONCERN WITH THE
19:54:13 REPEAL ARE THE RATES, THE STRUCTURE, THE OBJECTIVE THAT
19:54:19 WE WERE TRYING TO MEET.
19:54:21 SO WE WILL BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THIS AND COME BACK
19:54:23 TO COUNCIL AND SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT'S MORE WORKABLE TO
19:54:31 COUNCIL RATHER THAN A FULL REVIEW OF THE ENTIRE --
19:54:42 >> I'M READY TO VOTE.
19:54:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
19:54:47 I ASSUME SORRY, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:54:48 I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THERE WAS A MOTION.
19:54:51 WAS THERE A SECOND, MR. CHAIRMAN?
19:54:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES,
19:54:54 CORRECT?
19:54:55 YES, SIR.
19:54:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO MAKE REFERENCE, I BELIEVE IT
19:54:58 WAS -- AND MR. BHIDE CAN CONFIRM -- IT IS SUBJECT OF
19:55:03 DISCUSSION IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020-122 WHICH WAS PASSED
19:55:08 AND ORDAINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 5 OF 2020
19:55:12 AND SIGNED BY THE MAYOR ON NOVEMBER 9th.
19:55:14 I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
19:55:15 >>VIK BHIDE: YES.
19:55:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
19:55:19 MR. DINGFELDER.
19:55:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY ONLY POINT IN RESPONSE TO MR.
19:55:24 VIERA, AND MR. VIERA IS A PEACEMAKER AND I APPRECIATE
19:55:27 THAT.
19:55:27 BUT MY ONLY RESPONSE IS, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IF WE DON'T DO
19:55:31 IT BY ORDINANCE, THEN WE LEAVE IT TO THE DISCRETION OF
19:55:36 ANY FUTURE ADMINISTRATOR.
19:55:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
19:55:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.
19:55:41 SO I THINK THAT WE MADE A MISTAKE BY GIVING UP THESE
19:55:47 POWERS AND THESE ISSUES, AND DELEGATING ALL VIRTUALLY ALL
19:55:53 OF THE STAFF, AND ANY FUTURE COUNCIL WILL HAVE NO CONTROL
19:55:58 WHATSOEVER ON PULLING IT BACK IN.
19:56:00 SO I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO BE RESPONSIBLE, PULL IT BACK
19:56:03 IN, AND LET THEM CRAFT A MUCH SMALLER AND TIGHTER
19:56:08 ORDINANCE THAT DOESN'T DELEGATE ALL THIS AUTHORITY.
19:56:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:56:16 >>LUIS VIERA: I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THAT COUNCILMAN AND
19:56:19 I APPRECIATE THAT.
19:56:19 I JUST THINK WE CAN REVISE INSTEAD OF APPEAL.
19:56:22 BUT AGAIN I THINK WE ARE ALL GOING TO THE SAME PLACE AND
19:56:24 IT IS WHAT IT IS.
19:56:25 BUT THANK YOU EVERYBODY.
19:56:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THEREIN A DATE ASSOCIATED WITH
19:56:29 THAT?
19:56:30 I'M SORRY.
19:56:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADAM CLERK?
19:56:39 DO YOU NEED A DATE, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
19:56:41 WHAT DO YOU WANT?
19:56:42 I HAVE THE CALENDAR HERE.
19:56:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST, MR. CHAIRMAN?
19:56:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT MARCH 4, MARCH 18,
19:56:49 FEBRUARY?
19:56:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK MARCH 18 IS FINE AS LONG AS
19:56:54 THEY ARE NOT ENFORCING IT .
19:56:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, AND MR. BHIDE DID
19:57:00 MENTION THIS THIS IN HIS MEMO, THE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS
19:57:03 HAS BEEN GIVEN TO MR. BHIDE, AND IT'S IN THE HAND OF THE
19:57:08 ADMINISTRATION.
19:57:09 AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SORT OF EFFECT THAT THIS MOTION HAS
19:57:14 ON WHAT HIS MEMO WAS.
19:57:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I TRUST HIM.
19:57:22 MARCH 18, MR. CHAIR.
19:57:24 >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WITH A
19:57:27 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
19:57:29 ROLL CALL VOTE.
19:57:29 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
19:57:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
19:57:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
19:57:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
19:57:40 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
19:57:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, MY APOLOGIES.
19:57:45 I DIDN'T MEAN TO UNLEASH ON YOU.
19:57:47 PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
19:57:48 YOU ARE MY BROTHER AND MY FRIEND.
19:57:51 BUT I AM GOING TO VOTE YES.
19:57:52 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA AND CARLSON
19:57:57 VOTING NO.
19:57:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
19:58:04 WE HATE TO PUT THE PRESSURE ON YOU BUT YOU HAVE ALWAYS
19:58:07 RAISED TO THE OCCASION AND THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE
19:58:10 CITIZENS.
19:58:11 WE APPRECIATE YOU.
19:58:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:58:19 IT'S 8:00.
19:58:19 WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF THE AGENDA.
19:58:21 NOW WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS.
19:58:23 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS, SIR?
19:58:26 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR, I HAVE TWO FORMS THAT I NEED
19:58:29 TO FILE FOR -- I NEED TO VOTE TO RECEIVE AND FILE FOR THE
19:58:34 RECUSALS I MADE TODAY.
19:58:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
19:58:39 YES, MR. SHELBY?
19:58:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN FILED.
19:58:46 IS THAT CORRECT, MADAM CLERK?
19:58:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
19:58:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
19:58:50 >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
19:58:52 ALL IN FAVOR?
19:58:55 >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO
19:58:58 BRING THIS UP BUT WE GOT AN E-MAIL ABOUT LAWTON BRINKMAN
19:59:01 WHO IS GOING TO BE AN EAGLE SCOUT.
19:59:04 >> I ALREADY SENT IT OUT.
19:59:05 I AM GOING TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
19:59:07 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
19:59:08 >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS, SIR?
19:59:13 >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW, RIGHT?
19:59:14 JUST WILL REALLY QUICK.
19:59:17 I MAKE A RESOLUTION -- STRIKE THAT, I MAKE A MOTION FOR
19:59:21 RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF SENATE BILL 38 OF LEGISLATION TO
19:59:24 END DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION WHEN UNDERLAYING BASES,
19:59:31 GO TO CRIMINAL CASES, NOT DRIVING RELATED OFFENSES.
19:59:34 FURTHER, THE LEGISLATION STANDARDIZES THE PROCESS FOR
19:59:36 INDIVIDUALS WHO OWE FINES AND FEES TO APPLY FOR AND
19:59:40 OBTAIN AFFORDABLE PAYMENT PLAN.
19:59:42 WE SUPPORTED THERE BEFORE, BUT THIS IS A NEW SESSION WITH
19:59:46 NEW HOPE AND NEW LIVE.
19:59:48 SO LET US TRY AGAIN.
19:59:49 >> SECOND.
19:59:51 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SURE WHEN THE LEGISLATURE GETS THIS
19:59:53 FROM 7 DEMOCRATS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THEY WILL LISTEN TO
19:59:56 US AND PASS IT.
20:00:00 >>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
20:00:02 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:00:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:00:06 THANK YOU.
20:00:06 >>LUIS VIERA: NEXT MOTION FOR CITY COUNCIL TO BE
20:00:09 DELIVERED TO MARTHA VILA ON MARCH 13, 2021, WHICH WOULD
20:00:12 HAVE BEEN HER LATE HUSBAND HECTOR VILA'S 90th
20:00:15 BIRTHDAY, FURTHER THAT SAID COMMENDATION BE DELIVERED
20:00:18 OFF-SITE AT A DATE TO BE DETERMINED.
20:00:19 >> SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:00:23 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:00:25 >>LUIS VIERA: AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, BY THE
20:00:27 WAY.
20:00:28 NEXT, AND I'M GOING TO MISPRONOUNCE THIS YOUNGSTER'S
20:00:32 NAME, IS RAJ GUNTUKU, A 13-YEAR-OLD BOY WITH CHRONIC
20:00:38 KIDNEY DISEASE WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO SPEAK
20:00:40 VIRTUALLY ON MARCH 4th, CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING
20:00:44 REGARDING THIS YOUNG MAN, YOUNG KID, 13 YEARS OLD, GOD
20:00:49 BLESS HIM, AND HE NEEDS A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT AND HIS
20:00:52 PARENTS, WHO ARE INDIAN IMMIGRANTS, ARE TRYING TO GET THE
20:00:55 WORD OUT, AND I SAID IF WE COULD ACCOMMODATE HIM FOR FIVE
20:00:58 MINUTES, THEY COULD MAKE THEIR PLEA ON TAMPA CITY
20:01:01 COUNCIL, LET HIM SPEAK ALSO ON MY FAQ PAGE.
20:01:04 SO I HAVE REQUESTED THIS PRESENTATION BE DONE ON TOP OF
20:01:06 THE MEETING UNDER CEREMONIAL PRESENTATION, NOT TO EXCEED
20:01:10 FIVE MINUTES.
20:01:11 MARCH 4th, IF I MAY.
20:01:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
20:01:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR?
20:01:18 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT.
20:01:19 NEXT I MOTION FOR A CITY COUNCIL LETTER IN SUPPORT OF A
20:01:24 BILL TO SUPPORT TENANTS FACING EVICTION DURING THE
20:01:28 PANDEMIC RECOVERIES.
20:01:29 SENATE BILL, 412 AND SENATE BILL 926 IN THE HOUSE
20:01:35 COMPANION 481 WERE FILED BY REPRESENTATIVE DRISCOLL THAT
20:01:42 WOULD HELP ADDRESS SECURITY BY REFERRING MATTERS OF
20:01:44 EVICTION TO MEDIATION IN CIRCUIT COURT, WOULD ESTABLISH
20:01:47 MEDIATION PROGRAM, ALSO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE
20:01:49 TENANT TO DEPOSIT MONEY OWED DURING EVICTION PROCEEDINGS
20:01:52 INTO THE COURT REGISTRY.
20:01:54 >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
20:01:57 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:01:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:02:00 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THAT'S IT.
20:02:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:02:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
20:02:05 I WOULD LIKE TO THANK TO MS. IDA WALKER WHO IS A SENIOR
20:02:13 EXECUTIVE AIDE TO THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
20:02:15 SHE IS THIS YEAR'S JOSEPHINE HOWARD STAFFORD MEMORIAL
20:02:22 AWARD WINNER.
20:02:26 MS. WALKER, CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR
20:02:30 HARD WORK YOU HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
20:02:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:02:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUICKLY, BECAUSE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAD
20:02:40 TO LEAVE EARLY AND HE WANTED ME TO MAKE THIS MOTION, I
20:02:42 MOVE TO PRESENT COMMENDATION TO STEPHEN LYTLE WHO SERVED
20:02:47 ON THE COUNCIL CITIZENS BUDGET ADVISORY BOARD FOR FIVE
20:02:50 YEARS, THREE YEARS AS CHAIRMAN.
20:02:52 HE AND HIS WIFE AND LITTLE GIRL ARE LEAVING TAMPA FOR A
20:02:56 WHILE BECAUSE STEPHEN HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER HIS
20:02:58 CAREER WITH HIS EMPLOYER WALMART.
20:03:00 HIS DEPARTURE DATE IS VERY SOON AND I WOULD LIKE THIS
20:03:03 COMMENDATION TO BE PRESENTED ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY
20:03:08 18th, 2021.
20:03:11 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER? SECOND, ANYBODY.
20:03:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS THE SECOND.
20:03:26 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:03:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUCCANEERS, PLEASE, BRING US HOME THE
20:03:34 VINCE LOMBARDI TROPHY SUNDAY.
20:03:36 GO BUCS.
20:03:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
20:03:39 CITRO APPARENTLY ASKING TOM BRADY TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL.
20:03:46 >> THE TROPHY IS ALREADY HERE DOWNTOWN.
20:03:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WIN IT AND KEEP IT HERE.
20:03:53 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
20:03:55 THAT'S IT.
20:03:56 COUNCILMAN GUDES?
20:03:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO.
20:03:59 THIS WAS GIVING HONOR TO IDA WALKER.
20:04:03 FOR ME, IDA WORKED FOR SEVERAL POLICE CHIEFS.
20:04:08 AND TO GET THAT PRESTIGIOUS AWARD, WE NEED TO GIVE HER A
20:04:12 COMMENDATION.
20:04:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE GOT THE MOTION HERE.
20:04:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.
20:04:16 I WILL LEAVE TO THE YOU THEN.
20:04:17 OKAY.
20:04:18 IN THAT CASE, ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL, CHARLIE MIRANDA,
20:04:23 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION
20:04:25 TO THE GEORGE EDGECOMB SOCIETY AT MOFFITT CANCER CENTER
20:04:31 WHO ADVANCED CANCER HEALTH RESEARCH AND ITS IMPACT ON
20:04:35 BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES, AT AN EVENT ON FEBRUARY 11,
20:04:39 2021, TO PROVIDE CONFIRMATION OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND
20:04:45 THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY 2021 BLACK HISTORY MONTH TO BRING
20:04:48 THE PUBLIC AWARENESS TO CANCER, HEALTH DISPARITY BEING
20:04:51 FACED IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF CANCER
20:04:54 HEALTH DISPARITY RESEARCH.
20:04:55 THIS COMMENDATION PRESENTED VIRTUALLY ON MONDAY, MARCH 8,
20:04:59 2021.
20:05:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
20:05:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY.
20:05:04 IS THIS TO BE DONE AT CITY COUNCIL?
20:05:07 OR IS IT OFF-SITE?
20:05:12 >> VIRTUALLY.
20:05:13 I'M SORRY.
20:05:13 VIRTUALLY ON MONDAY, MARCH 8th.
20:05:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT MONDAY MARCH
20:05:19 8th AT 9 A.M. FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SUSPENSIONS --
20:05:25 WOULD THAT BE THE INTENT?
20:05:28 >>> IT'S BEING DONE VIRTUALLY.
20:05:29 >>THE CLERK: IT'S A SPECIAL CALL.
20:05:31 I'M JUST CONCERNED AT THE START OF -- HOW MANY, FOUR
20:05:35 HEARINGS.
20:05:40 >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL TAKE LONG, MR. SHELBY. MR.
20:05:42 MIRANDA IS ASKING IT TO BE DONE.
20:05:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND CERTAINLY WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE
20:05:47 HIM.
20:05:48 >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
20:05:50 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:05:51 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:05:54 WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR 16 HOURS THAT DAY.
20:05:57 WHY NOT?
20:05:59 ANYTHING ELSE?
20:06:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, I HAVE ONE MORE.
20:06:02 MY DAD IS VERY ILL RIGHT NOW AND LOTS OF TIMES TRIES TO
20:06:06 STILL GET OUT, AND --
20:06:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, THIS COMING MONDAY.
20:06:20 OKAY, OKAY.
20:06:23 FEBRUARY.
20:06:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
20:06:27 THANK YOU, MISS MARY.
20:06:30 WE GIVE YOU DEFERENCE, TOO.
20:06:33 THANK YOU.
20:06:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FEBRUARY 8th.
20:06:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO I WAS THERE LAST TIME.
20:06:40 MY MOTHER SAID -- MR. MIRANDA WAS SICK.
20:06:49 AND HE'S BEEN HERE A LONG, LONG TIME, LONGEST LEGISLATOR
20:06:53 AROUND.
20:06:54 AND I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE JUST GIVE HOMAGE NOW WHILE
20:06:59 WE HAVE HIM.
20:06:59 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT
20:07:02 SOME KIND OF MONUMENT OR SOMETHING IN MR. MIRANDA'S NAME.
20:07:06 I THINK HE'S WELL DESERVING OF IT.
20:07:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT WILL HE ACCEPT IT?
20:07:18 HE'S VERY HUMBLE.
20:07:19 I'M SUPPORTIVE BUT --
20:07:21 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. I WANT TO MOTION THAT IT BE PUT
20:07:24 IN A HISTORIC PART OF THE CITY, PROBABLY NEW TAMPA.
20:07:28 [ LAUGHTER ]
20:07:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I SAY AT A TABLE AT CONEY'S RESTAURANT.
20:07:40 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
20:07:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I HAVE GOT TO
20:07:44 RAISE THIS ISSUE WITH STAFF, AND MARY.
20:07:50 CHARLIE TALKED ABOUT GROWING UP ON CUSCADEN PARK FIELD
20:07:56 PLAYING BASEBALL OVER THERE AND I WAS HOPING TO DO THIS
20:07:58 AS A SURPRISE BUT I AM JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND LAY IT
20:08:01 OUT.
20:08:01 I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ASK STAFF IF THERE'S A BALL FIELD
20:08:04 OVER THERE WE CAN NAME CHARLIE MIRANDA FIELD.
20:08:07 AND THEN WE CAN ALL GO OUT THERE ON A CLEAR VIRUS FREE
20:08:11 DAY AND DEDICATE THAT FIELD WITH AN APPROPRIATE SIGN.
20:08:17 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT THAT.
20:08:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT'S PERFECT.
20:08:21 BECAUSE IF I HAVE IT CORRECTLY, MIRANDA, I THINK IN THE
20:08:28 FIFTIES, TRAVELED TO CUBA TO PLAY BASEBALL, CUSCADEN
20:08:33 PARK, SWIMMING.
20:08:34 YOU KNOW HIS HISTORY OF BASEBALL, TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD,
20:08:39 TO THAT AREA.
20:08:41 SO MANY THINGS.
20:08:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BUT HE HAS TO THROW OUT THE FIRST PITCH.
20:08:45 >> SO IT MAKES SENSE.
20:08:46 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
20:08:47 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:08:48 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
20:08:51 I TALKED TO ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
20:08:53 NOW, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IS,
20:08:56 I MEAN IT, IF WE CAN NAME, I WOULD DO IT, NAME THESE
20:09:00 CHAMBERS AFTER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
20:09:02 PUT SOMETHING UP THERE.
20:09:04 HE WOULD HATE IT.
20:09:05 HE WOULD PROBABLY BEAT US ALL UP.
20:09:07 BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
20:09:10 AND I'M A STATUE GUY.
20:09:12 BUT AGAIN, HE'S GOING TO KILL US FOR ALL THIS.
20:09:15 BUT SOME SORT OF SMALL STATUE SOMEWHERE, OR SOMETHING
20:09:18 LIKE THAT.
20:09:20 IN MY OPINION.
20:09:21 I REMEMBER GOING TO -- I FORGOT WHAT PARK IT WAS, BUT A
20:09:25 PARK, AND I SAW THE MARKER FOR IT.
20:09:27 AND IT SAID, VICE CHAIRMAN OF CITY COUNCIL CHARLIE
20:09:30 MIRANDA 1974.
20:09:31 IT WAS FOUR YEARS BEFORE I WAS BORN.
20:09:34 THAT'S JUST AWESOME.
20:09:35 SO YOU HAVE GOT TO APPRECIATE HIM.
20:09:38 AND IF YOU LOOK HIM UP ON NEWSPAPERS.COM AND SEE SOME OF
20:09:42 THOSE OLD STORIES, I REMEMBER ONE CITY COUNCIL RACE THAT
20:09:45 HE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN THAT HE WON, AND THE TAMPA TRIBUNE
20:09:48 ENDORSED AGAINST HIM AND I THINK HE BEING THE SMART ALECK
20:09:51 SENT THEM LIKE A 12 PACK OF BEER OR SOMETHING.
20:09:54 HE WAS FEISTY.
20:09:56 STILL IS. BUT FULLY IN SUPPORT.
20:10:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU GUYS ARE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE A
20:10:09 EULOGY.
20:10:10 THANK GOD HE'S STILL AROUND.
20:10:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:10:13 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:10:14 ANYTHING ELSE?
20:10:20 YES, TO BE DETERMINED.
20:10:21 >> MAYBE BRING IT BACK.
20:10:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ANYTHING
20:10:34 UNDER NEW BUSINESS?
20:10:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
20:10:36 A COUPLE THINGS.
20:10:41 OKAY.
20:10:43 MR. SHELBY, WE KEEP BUMPING INTO THIS ISSUE ABOUT
20:10:47 PRESENTATIONS BEING FOR LEGISLATIVE MATTERS BEING MADE AT
20:10:52 SECOND READING WHICH TO ME DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
20:10:56 I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
20:10:58 SO I THINK THAT PRESENTATIONS FROM STAFF SHOULD BE MADE
20:11:02 AT FIRST READING ON LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
20:11:06 SO, ANYWAY, I WOULD REQUEST -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHANGE
20:11:10 THAT PROCEDURE.
20:11:12 THAT'S PART OF OUR PROCEDURES MANUAL, MR. SHELBY, OR WHAT
20:11:15 HAVE YOU.
20:11:15 BUT I WOULD ASK MR. SHELBY TO LOOK INTO THAT, COME BACK
20:11:19 TO US MARCH 18th WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS ON MODIFYING
20:11:25 IT, THOSE STAFF PRESENTATIONS TO BE MADE AT FIRST
20:11:30 READING, NOT SECOND.
20:11:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MS. WELLS.
20:11:33 >>CATE WELLS: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
20:11:36 I BELIEVE ABBYE FEELEY EARLIER DIMENSIONED THAT SHE WOULD
20:11:39 LIKE TO DO EXACTLY THAT, MOVING FORWARD, TO HAVE THE
20:11:44 PRESENTATION WHEN THE ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR FIRST
20:11:48 READING.
20:11:49 THAT ALLOWS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLY AN AMENDMENT TO BE
20:11:52 MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING RATHER THAN THAT
20:11:56 LATER STAGE.
20:11:57 SO THAT'S ALL IN HER RECOMMENDATION.
20:12:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHAPTER 27 PLANNING I'M TALKING
20:12:05 ABOUT, ANY CODE AMENDMENT.
20:12:08 >>CATE WELLS: THE REMAINDER OF STAFF FOR THAT REASON.
20:12:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
20:12:16 THAT'S MY MOTION.
20:12:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
20:12:19 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
20:12:20 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:12:23 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:12:24 ANY OPPOSED?
20:12:25 YES, SIR, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE?
20:12:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON THE AGENDA TODAY, THERE WERE THREE
20:12:33 OR FOUR SOLE SOURCES OR SINGLE SOURCES, AND I ASKED A
20:12:38 BUNCH OF QUESTIONS BEHIND THE SCENES ABOUT WHY THEY ARE
20:12:40 SINGLE SOURCE.
20:12:41 I HATE SINGLE SOURCE.
20:12:42 I HATE SOLE SOURCES.
20:12:44 I KNOW SOME OF YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY INCLUDING MR.
20:12:46 CARLSON.
20:12:48 I ASKED AND RECEIVED THE POLICY WE HAVE IN THE CITY,
20:12:52 SINGLE AND SOLE SOURCES.
20:12:54 I DON'T THINK IT'S PART OF AN ORDINANCE.
20:12:55 BUT THERE IS A POLICY BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S STRONG
20:12:59 ENOUGH.
20:12:59 SO, ANYWAY, MR. BENNETT SAID THAT THEY TOO ARE LOOKING
20:13:03 INTO SINGLE SOURCES AND SOLE SOURCES SO I WILL GIVE HIM A
20:13:06 LITTLE TIME TO LOOK AT IT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO WORKSHOP
20:13:09 THIS ISSUE, AT OUR SEPTEMBER WORKSHOP.
20:13:12 AND ASK STAFF TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A COMPREHENSIVE
20:13:18 LOOK AT SINGLE SOURCES, SOLE SOURCES, AND WHAT WE CAN DO
20:13:22 TO REDUCE THEM.
20:13:23 >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND SECOND
20:13:29 BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
20:13:32 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:13:33 ANY OPPOSED?
20:13:33 ANYTHING HE IS, SIR?
20:13:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
20:13:38 COMMENDATION.
20:13:40 I THINK YOU GUYS GOT THE SAME E-MAIL TO HILLSBOROUGH
20:13:43 COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT AND FLORIDA BAR
20:13:48 ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT BILL SCHIFINO, JR. BEING HONORED BY
20:13:55 THE FLORIDA ANTI-DEFAMATION A LEAGUE WITH THE FLORIDA
20:13:57 JURISPRUDENCE AWARD AND I WOULD LIKE TO US GIVE HIM A
20:14:01 CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.
20:14:03 WE WILL PRESENT IT PROBABLY PRESENT IT BY MAIL OR
20:14:07 REMOTELY.
20:14:08 I DON'T THINK HE NEEDS TO NECESSARILY COME IN FOR THAT.
20:14:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION.
20:14:12 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
20:14:15 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:14:16 ANY OPPOSED?
20:14:16 ANYTHING ELSE?
20:14:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, IT'S NOT
20:14:20 A MOTION OR ANYTHING, BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
20:14:22 CHARLIE AND HONORING CHARLIE, I MENTIONED A COUPLE MONTHS
20:14:26 AGO ABOUT HONORING ANOTHER COUNCIL SEARCHING COUNCILWOMAN
20:14:31 WHO HAS NOT BEEN HONORED, LINDA SAUL-SENA.
20:14:34 I KNOW WE ARE GOOD FRIENDS WITH LINDA, AND HONOR HER
20:14:37 SERVICE, ADMIRE HER SERVICE, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS 16 OR 20
20:14:44 TOTAL YEARS, WHICH IS NOT CHARLIE MIRANDA, BUT IT'S WAY
20:14:49 UP THERE.
20:14:51 WE TALKED ABOUT DOING SOMETHING IN CHANNELSIDE WITH A
20:14:54 PARK, ET CETERA.
20:14:57 WHOEVER IS LISTENING ON STAFF, I HOPE THEY ARE LOOKING
20:15:00 INTO IT.
20:15:00 ESPECIALLY THE CRA STAFF AND CHANNELSIDE.
20:15:03 >> THAT'S NOT A FORMAL MOTION, CORRECT?
20:15:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU KNOW WHAT?
20:15:08 NO, I WILL WAIT FOR THE CRA MEETING.
20:15:10 AND I JUST WANTED TO PLANT IT IN YOU GUYS' EARS.
20:15:15 GOOD MEETING.
20:15:16 GOOD LEADERSHIP.
20:15:17 THANK YOU.
20:15:19 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE QUICK THING.
20:15:21 ON THE SINGLE BID CONTRACT THING THAT YOU MENTIONED,
20:15:24 REMEMBER WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT A YEAR AGO, AND
20:15:26 THERE WAS AN AUDIT COMMITTEE REPORT ON IT, WHICH THEY
20:15:32 SAID THEY WERE GOING TO WORK TO CHANGE IT BUT OBVIOUSLY
20:15:35 WE ARE STILL HAVING THE PROBLEMS.
20:15:36 BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU OF THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE.
20:15:39 THANK YOU.
20:15:40 >> ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
20:15:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
20:15:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
20:15:43 FIRST, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEND THIS WONDERFUL
20:15:46 DAY WITH ALL OF YOU.
20:15:47 [ LAUGHTER ]
20:15:48 WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.
20:15:51 FIRST IS A MOTION.
20:15:52 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND A COMMENDATION TO
20:15:55 LAWTON BRINKMAN.
20:15:57 WE ALL GOT THE E-MAIL PER ATTAINING THE RANK OF EAGLE
20:16:00 SCOUT.
20:16:00 THIS WILL BE READ DURING HIS HONOR CEREMONY.
20:16:03 I WILL PRESENT IT THERE AT A LATER DATE.
20:16:05 >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CARLSON.
20:16:14 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:16:15 >> NEXT A PRESENTATION TO BE PRESENTED TO IDA WALKER
20:16:18 WHICH WE ALREADY MENTIONED ON MARCH 2nd, 2021 WITH A
20:16:22 CEREMONY, HAVING THE JOSEPHINE STAFFORD AWARD AT LYKES
20:16:28 GASLIGHT PARK SO IT WILL BE OUTSIDE.
20:16:30 I WILL PRESENT THAT THERE.
20:16:32 OF COURSE YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO JOIN ME.
20:16:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO.
20:16:44 SECOND BY
20:16:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:16:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
20:16:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EARLIER MR. CITRO WAS PUTTING FORTH A
20:16:55 COMMENDATION ON BEHALF OF MR. MIRANDA.
20:17:00 MY COMPUTER WENT ON THE FRITZ, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT
20:17:02 HAPPENED.
20:17:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MOTION ON BEHALF OF COUNCILMAN
20:17:05 MIRANDA WAS TO PRESENT MR. STEVEN LYTLE WITH A
20:17:08 COMMENDATION ON FEBRUARY 18th BECAUSE HE'S LEAVING
20:17:16 OUT OF TOWN FOR A NEW EMPLOYMENT, AND THAT WAS IT.
20:17:24 DID YOU GET THAT?
20:17:25 >> GOT IT.
20:17:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
20:17:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MADE THAT MOTION ON BEHALF OF
20:17:35 COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA WHO IS NOT HERE.
20:17:38 HE HAD TO GO HOME.
20:17:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS JUST KIDDING.
20:17:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.
20:17:45 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
20:17:48 ALL IN FAVOR?
20:17:49 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
20:18:11 (CITY COUNCIL MEETING ADJOURNED.)
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