TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 2021
9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP
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09:01:41 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
09:01:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:01:49 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO
09:01:52 ORDER.
09:01:54 INSTEAD OF AN INVOCATION, I KNOW COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS
09:01:58 GOING TO HANDLE THAT.
09:01:59 WE ARE GOING TO DO -- WE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE A MOMENT
09:02:02 OF SILENCE.
09:02:08 (MOMENT OF SILENCE)
09:02:13 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:02:14 IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF
09:02:16 ALLEGIANCE.
09:02:17 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]
09:02:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
09:02:36 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:02:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:02:38 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:02:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:02:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:02:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:02:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:02:48 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A FIZZ PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:02:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
09:02:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:02:54 GOOD MORNING AND TO MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
09:02:57 MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
09:02:59 TODAY IS FEBRUARY 25th OF 2021, AND WE ARE HERE THIS
09:03:03 MORNING FOR A WORKSHOP OF CITY COUNCIL, AND BECAUSE OF
09:03:09 THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY, THE WORKSHOP WILL BE
09:03:13 CONDUCTED AND IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE IN-PERSON
09:03:17 QUORUM OF CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
09:03:21 HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS MEMBERS
09:03:23 OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY
09:03:26 THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING WHICH IS REFERRED TO BY
09:03:30 FLORIDA STATUTES AND RECALLS AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA
09:03:33 TECHNOLOGY, OR CMT.
09:03:35 THIS MEETING IS HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY
09:03:37 RULES OF PROCEDURE ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL BY RESOLUTION
09:03:41 NUMBER 2020-225 AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 220-490.
09:03:48 THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE ABLE
09:03:50 TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON CABLE TV AT
09:03:54 SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640, FRONTIER 15, AND ON THE INTERNET AT
09:04:00 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:04:04 NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO VIRTUALLY
09:04:06 PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING USING CMT BY MULTIPLE
09:04:10 METHODS, BESIDES CMT, WRITTEN COMMENTS BY THE INTERNET OR
09:04:16 WEB, WRITTEN COMMENTS BY MAIL, LEAVING A VOICE MAIL
09:04:20 MESSAGE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND BY SPEAKING
09:04:23 REMOTELY USING CMT FROM A REMOTE LOCATION BY
09:04:27 PREREGISTERING, AND AGAIN, THAT INFORMATION FOR THE
09:04:31 PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY AND
09:04:35 PREREGISTER IS AVAILABLE AT TAMPA.GOV/CITY COUNCIL, ONE
09:04:40 WORD.
09:04:41 NOW, FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO
09:04:44 COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA DEVICE, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF
09:04:49 CHOOSING TO COME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL OLD CITY HALL AND
09:04:54 PARTICIPATE WITH CMT DEVICE WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO THE
09:04:58 PUBLIC DURING THE MEETING AT THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY
09:05:03 HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:05:06 PLEASE NOTE THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE
09:05:10 THE BUILDING ARE REQUIRED.
09:05:12 NOW, COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE WRITTEN
09:05:17 COMMENTS DISTRIBUTED TO YOU AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE
09:05:22 RECORD.
09:05:23 PUBLIC COMMENTS, PRERECORDED OR IN PERSON USING CMT WILL
09:05:28 BE HEARD AT THE START OF THE MEETING AT THE DIRECTION OF
09:05:30 CITY COUNCIL.
09:05:31 WRITTEN COMMENTS AS I SAID HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED AND WILL
09:05:34 BE INCLUDED IN THE PERMANENT RECORD OF THE MEETING.
09:05:38 AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.
09:05:41 THANK YOU.
09:05:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:05:42 AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:05:45 IF YOU ARE HERE IN PERSON ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IF YOU
09:05:48 WOULD PLEASE APPROACH THE KIOSK, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES
09:05:52 TO SPEAK.
09:05:53 AFTER EACH PERSON, WE WILL SANITIZE THE MICROPHONE AND GO
09:05:58 ONTO THE NEXT PERSON.
09:05:59 IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH THE KIOSK AND
09:06:02 STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:06:04 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.
09:06:28 DARLA PORTMAN, THE PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA PBA.
09:06:32 I'M HERE TO MAKE A VOICE FOR MY POLICE OFFICERS, MY
09:06:35 MEMBERS.
09:06:36 I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS
09:06:38 ARE TIRED OF BEING BLAMED FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE
09:06:41 BAD ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
09:06:43 WE ASK AND WE USE OURSELVES IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER IN
09:06:48 THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:06:49 WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY.
09:06:50 WE DID IT BEFORE MARCH OF LAST YEAR AND WILL CONTINUES TO
09:06:52 DO THAT THE WAY.
09:06:53 IN FLORIDA LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS SEVERAL AGENCIES INVOLVED
09:06:56 IN AN OFFICER DISCIPLINED.
09:06:57 WE ARE THE MOST SCRUTINIZED PROFESSION IN THE WHOLE
09:07:00 ENTIRE COUNTRY.
09:07:01 IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WE HAVE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND
09:07:04 BODY WORN CAMERAS, WE HAVE THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
09:07:06 THAT HAS THE BRADY'S LIST AND ALSO LOOKS AT OUR
09:07:10 SHOOTINGS.
09:07:12 THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE STANDARDS AND TRADE COMMISSION DOES
09:07:15 OUR CERTIFICATION.
09:07:16 THEY ALSO IMPOSE DISCIPLINE ON TOP OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENT
09:07:19 IMPOSES ON OFFICERS.
09:07:20 WE HAVE FDLE THAT DOES OUR SHOOTINGS AND LOOKS AT
09:07:24 CRIMINAL MATTERS BUT WE HAVE THE MEDIA, THE NEWS, AND WE
09:07:27 HAVE THE CRB BOARD.
09:07:31 CHAPTER 943 OF THE BOARD ESTABLISHES THE FDLE CRIMINAL
09:07:36 JUSTICE PROFESSIONAL DIVISIONS, AGENCIES MUST SUBMIT IA
09:07:40 FINDINGS TO THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION WILL
09:07:42 INVESTIGATE AND IMPOSE ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE DISCIPLINE
09:07:44 ON TOP OF THE DISCIPLINE FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
09:07:47 THE COMMISSION CAN ALSO SUSPEND, REVOKE AND DECERTIFY
09:07:51 EVEN IF THE DEPARTMENT WISHES TO RETAIN THE OFFICER.
09:07:53 COMMISSION MEETS MORE THAN -- MEETS EVERY THREE MONTHS
09:07:56 AND THE PC HEARINGS ARE IN BETWEEN EACH COMMISSION
09:07:59 MEETING.
09:08:00 PROBABLE CAUSE.
09:08:01 THE COMMISSION ALSO DOES THE CURRICULUM REVISION AND
09:08:04 IN-SERVICE TRAINING, CONTINUOUS REVISION AND A STATE WIDE
09:08:07 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND TRAINING FOR ALL.
09:08:13 THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD KEEPING
09:08:18 THEM SAFE.
09:08:24 THE REVENUE DECREASES, VISITORS STOP COME HERE.
09:08:28 BEING A POLICE OFFICER IS NOT A JOB FOR EVERYONE.
09:08:31 IT'S MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY TOUGH ON THE HUMAN BODY.
09:08:34 WE HAVE TO ENFORCE LAWS AND SOMETIMES DOING OUR JOB MEANS
09:08:36 PEOPLE GET MAD.
09:08:37 NO ONE LIKES TO GET CAUGHT VIOLATING THE LAW.
09:08:40 NO ONE LIKES TO GET A TICKET, GO TO JAIL, OR BE
09:08:43 CONFRONTED BY THE POLICE.
09:08:44 WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
09:08:45 WHEN YOU ARE ON THAT SIDE TO BECOME THE -- WE BECOME THE
09:08:51 BAD GUYS, AND YOU WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BLAME IT
09:08:54 ON US, SO WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW.
09:08:57 WE HAVE TO DO OUR JOBS.
09:09:00 NOT ALL OFFICERS ARE BAD.
09:09:02 AND WE TRY TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
09:09:05 WE DO MAKE MISTAKES AND WE ARE HUMAN.
09:09:07 AS THE PBA PRESIDENT, I HAVE HAD THE ISSUES OF TELLING
09:09:12 OFFICERS THAT THEY HAVE GONE OFF THE RESERVATION, THEY
09:09:15 HAVE TARNISHED THE BADGE AND WE WILL NOT DEFEND THEM.
09:09:19 WE DO NOT DEFEND BAD OFFICERS.
09:09:21 I HAVE REVOKED AND SUSPENDED OVER 100 OFFICERS IN THE
09:09:23 STATE OF FLORIDA SINCE BEING APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR
09:09:25 DESANTIS AS CDFCG OFFICERS.
09:09:30 WE DON'T PROTECT BAD OFFICERS IN TAMPA --
09:09:33 [BELL SOUNDS]
09:09:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:09:42 >> I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO KNOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS GONE
09:09:46 VERY FAR AND SO HAS GINA AND URSULA TO GIVE MORE
09:09:52 COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD, OR CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:09:54 I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE OKAY WITH THIS
09:09:56 PROPOSAL.
09:09:57 WE'LL STAND BEHIND THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, AND
09:10:00 OUR OFFICERS JUST WANT TO WORK FOR YOU GUYS.
09:10:02 THANK YOU.
09:10:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:10:04 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
09:10:13 MAY I MAKE A REQUEST, IF I MAY, SIR? WE HAVE JOSH
09:10:16 FELDER, WHO IS A YOUNG MAN FROM BEST BUDDIES WHO IS
09:10:20 WAITING TO GET A COMMENDATION, AFTER LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:10:24 BUT WOULD YOU PERMIT US TO DO HIS COMMENDATION?
09:10:28 THANK YOU, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT.
09:10:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
09:10:32 OUR NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:10:39 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
09:10:40 >> THIS IS DANNY ALVAREZ, THE LABOR REPRESENTATIVE FOR
09:10:46 THE TAMPA POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE
09:10:49 PUBLIC UNION THAT REPRESENTS ALL 1,000 RETIREES, ACTIVE
09:10:53 AND RETIRED MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN THE
09:10:56 CITY OF TAMPA.
09:10:57 I COME BEFORE YOU HUMBLY AND REQUEST AS A POSSIBILITY OF
09:11:01 AN EXTENSION IN CASE I BUMP UP INTO MY TIME.
09:11:03 I KNOW THAT'S ALLOWED UPON YOUR APPROVAL.
09:11:06 I COME TO YOU HUMBLY TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT THIS
09:11:11 REVIEW BOARD, AND I WANT TO MAKE SEWING EXTREMELY CLEAR.
09:11:15 THE PBA IS NOT AGAINST THE REVIEW BOARD IN ANY WAY.
09:11:19 IN FACT, THEY ARE ON THE RECORD HAVING ENDORSED IT. IT'S
09:11:23 ACTUALLY QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
09:11:24 SO ANY OPPOSITION YOU MIGHT SEE HERE OR ANY SORT OF
09:11:28 FRICTION YOU HEAR, I JUST THINK THAT'S NOT VERY
09:11:30 WELL-FOUNDED.
09:11:32 WHAT WE HAVE HERE, I HAVE BEEN ON AN ACTUAL CITIZENS
09:11:35 REVIEW BOARD FOR OVER FIVE YEARS, POLICE REVIEW BOARD,
09:11:38 AND ENDORSE THE USE OF THEM.
09:11:41 I THINK THEY HAVE INCREDIBLE VALUE.
09:11:43 I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR THE CITIZENRY TO GO AHEAD AND
09:11:45 TAKE AND KEEP AN EYE ON THEIR GOVERNMENT AND MAKE SURE
09:11:48 THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IS HAPPENING CORRECTLY.
09:11:51 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE UNFORTUNATE PART HERE IS WHAT
09:11:53 WOULD BE THE ONE THING THAT'S BEING ASKED OF YOU TODAY IS
09:11:56 TO CHANGE THIS FROM A REVIEW BOARD TO AN INVESTIGATORY
09:12:00 ARM OF THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
09:12:03 SO WHAT THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO DO IS CREATE A SUBPOENA
09:12:06 POWER THAT'S FUNDED WITH ATTORNEYS SO THAT THEY CAN THEN
09:12:09 GO OUTSIDE OF THE LAW AND INVESTIGATE ON THEIR OWN, NOT
09:12:13 MEANING THEIR OUTLAWS, I MEAN OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS.
09:12:16 WHEN DARLA TELLS YOU THAT THIS PROFESSION IS THE MOST
09:12:22 SCRUTINIZED, SHE'S CORRECT.
09:12:23 LET ME LIST IT.
09:12:24 THEY HAVE IA.
09:12:25 THEY HAVE GOT THE CITY ITSELF.
09:12:28 THEY HAVE GOT THE STATE ATTORNEY INVESTIGATING THEM.
09:12:30 THEY HAVE GOT GRAND JURIES.
09:12:32 THEY HAVE GOT FDLE.
09:12:34 THEY HAVE GOT THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS WHEN THERE'S ANY
09:12:36 SORT OF CIVIL INJUSTICE THAT GOES ON.
09:12:39 THEY HAVE THE MEDIA THAT SITS HERE TODAY.
09:12:41 THEY HAVE PUBLIC INTEREST GROUPS.
09:12:42 AND THEY HAVE BODY CAMERAS.
09:12:44 AND WHAT I BRING TO YOU IS THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S
09:12:47 A REQUEST THAT SAYS WE WANT TRANSPARENCY, COPS TURN
09:12:50 AROUND AND GO, WE WANT IT, TOO.
09:12:52 AND THEY THEN SUBMIT, YOU WANTED FDLE, THEY GOT FDLE,
09:12:58 THAT NOW INVESTIGATES THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:13:01 AND I'M TOLD WHEN I AM SPEAKING ON A CONFERENCE WITH ACLU
09:13:04 WHICH I RESPECT VERY, VERY MUCH, I AM TOLD THAT'S NOT
09:13:06 ENOUGH, WE CAN'T TRUST THEM, NOW WHY?
09:13:09 BECAUSE THEY ARE COPS.
09:13:10 WE CAN'T TRUST THE STATE ATTORNEY BECAUSE HE'S PART OF
09:13:12 THE SYSTEM.
09:13:13 WE CAN'T TRUST CAMERAS WELL, BECAUSE THEY TELL THE TRUTH.
09:13:16 SO THE UNFORTUNATE PART IS, EVERY SINGLE TIME WE GET SOME
09:13:20 LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY, IT'S NOT ENOUGH AND WE MOVE THE
09:13:23 BALL.
09:13:24 NOW COMES INVESTIGATIONS.
09:13:25 WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED, AND
09:13:29 EVERYWHERE WE GO, I'M TOLD, WELL, DANNY, WE HAD THESE
09:13:32 REVIEW BOARDS FOR TEN YEARS IN OTHER COUNTIES.
09:13:34 AND THEN I SUBMIT TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF THAT'S
09:13:36 TRUE, WHY DO THOSE COUNTIES CONTINUES TO HAVE THE SAME
09:13:39 PROBLEMS WE DO, BUT THEY ARE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN, THEY
09:13:42 HAVE GOT SUBPOENA POWERS IN THERE, AND WHAT ARE THEY
09:13:46 ACCOMPLISHING?
09:13:46 TODAY, WE HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:13:50 IT TELLS ME THAT IT HAS NO BITE.
09:13:52 THE CRITICISMS HAVE NO BITE, IT HAS NO TEETH.
09:13:55 I'M TELLING YOU THAT THEY JUST DON'T BITE.
09:13:57 THEY HAVE THE ABILITY RIGHT NOW TO GET EVERYTHING THAT
09:13:59 THEY WANT ACCOMPLISHED.
09:14:01 THEY CAN GO OUT AND FIND OUT, THEY CAN GO REVIEW.
09:14:04 NOTHING STOPS THEM FROM INVESTIGATING AND ASKING
09:14:07 QUESTIONS.
09:14:07 THIS IS A GRASP THAT IS TOO FAR.
09:14:11 WHEN DOES IT STOP?
09:14:12 WHEN DO WE SAY LISTEN, WE HAVE A SYSTEM, IT'S NOT
09:14:17 PERFECT.
09:14:17 YOU KNOW WHY IT'S NOT PERFECT?
09:14:19 BECAUSE IT'S MADE BY PEOPLE AND IT'S ENFORCED BY PEOPLE
09:14:21 SO WE HAVE TO CHECK THEM.
09:14:23 AGAIN, WE ARE ALL FOR THIS BOARD.
09:14:26 WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE BOARD.
09:14:28 WHAT WE HAVE IS WHEN ARE WE GOING TO STOP, WHEN DO WE
09:14:31 TELL A POLICE OFFICER, LISTEN, YOU HAVE BEEN
09:14:34 INVESTIGATED, YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY
09:14:36 AND AT SOME POINT WE HAVE GOT TO STOP.
09:14:39 WE ARE FOR TRANSPARENCY.
09:14:40 NOBODY, AND I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TIMES YOU LAUGH AT IT,
09:14:43 NOBODY HATES BAD COPS MORE THAN COPS, AND NO ONE GOES
09:14:46 AFTER BAD COPS MORE THAN COPS.
09:14:48 YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THAT'S A BAD STATEMENT OR THAT IS
09:14:53 WRONG BECAUSE YOU CAN HEAR THE LAUGHTER IN THE BOARD, BUT
09:14:55 WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN ON THE -- NOT ON THE BOARD BUT ON THE
09:14:58 DAIS, IN THE PUBLIC, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE GOT IS A SYSTEM
09:15:02 THAT OVERWHELMINGLY PROVES THAT THE SUPER MAJORITY OF
09:15:04 POLICE OFFICERS DO THE RIGHT THING, AND WHEN THEY GET IN
09:15:07 TROUBLE, THEY GET IN TROUBLE PRETTY HARD.
09:15:09 AND POST 2020, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S
09:15:12 GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT IN THIS DAY AND AGE ESPECIALLY
09:15:15 WITH ALL OF THE SCRUTINY.
09:15:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
09:15:17 >> WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS FOR YOUR SUPPORT, WE SUPPORT THE
09:15:20 MAYOR'S POSITION THAT SHE PUT FORWARD, AND WE THANK YOU
09:15:23 FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
09:15:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:15:24 >> THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
09:15:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:15:47 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN.
09:15:50 JAMES STAR AND JAMIE CLAPPLE WITH THE CIVIL LIBERTIES
09:15:54 UNION.
09:15:56 WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TEN MINUTES BETWEEN THE TWO OF US?
09:16:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANY OBJECTION?
09:16:04 THEY ARE REPRESENTING ACLU.
09:16:05 ANY OBJECTIONS?
09:16:06 COUNCIL, THEY WILL BE TOGETHER IN THAT TEN MINUTE PERIOD.
09:16:09 ALL RIGHT.
09:16:09 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:16:10 TEN MINUTES.
09:16:10 >> THANK YOU, SIR.
09:16:12 FIRST, WE ARE VOLUNTEER ATTORNEYS, WE ARE NOT BEING PAID
09:16:15 TO BE HERE.
09:16:15 WE STEPPED UP BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WERE
09:16:19 INTERESTED IN SEEING THE EXCHANGE MADE AND IT REQUIRED A
09:16:23 LOT OF NAVIGATION, VERY COMPLICATED LEGAL THINGS THAT THE
09:16:28 AVERAGE PERSON WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO.
09:16:29 SO WE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS UNCOMPENSATED TRYING TO GUIDE
09:16:34 THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ISSUE.
09:16:36 THERE ARE 13 DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES IN FLORIDA THAT
09:16:39 HAVE SOME FORM OF CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:16:44 I'M COUNTING 13.
09:16:45 THERE MAY BE MORE.
09:16:46 BUT I WANT TO READ TO THE COUNCIL LANGUAGE FROM THE
09:16:49 DAYTONA BEACH ORDINANCE WHICH SAYS, THIS BOARD IS CREATED
09:16:52 TO ASSIST IN MAINTAINING THE CONFIDENCE OF THE CITIZENS
09:16:56 THAT HIGH LEVEL INTERNAL DISCIPLINARY INVESTIGATIONS OF
09:16:59 ALLEGED POLICE OFFICER MISCONDUCT REGARDLESS OF THEIR
09:17:02 SOURCE, ARE BEING THOROUGHLY AND OBJECTIVELY INVESTIGATED
09:17:05 AND RESOLVED.
09:17:06 I CAN'T POSSIBLY STATE IT BETTER THAN THAT.
09:17:08 THE REASON TO HAVE A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS TO HAVE A
09:17:11 BOARD THAT IS COMPRISED OF CITIZENS, NOT MEMBERS OF LAW
09:17:14 ENFORCEMENT BUT MEMBERS OF CITIZENS THAT CAN TALK TO THE
09:17:17 CITIZENRY ABOUT TRUST IN THE PROCESS.
09:17:22 THAT TRUST IS VITAL TO A COMMUNITY.
09:17:24 I WOULD POINT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE DEPARTMENT
09:17:28 OF JUSTICE'S CITIZENS REPORT WHERE THEY SHOW ABOUT
09:17:32 INSTANCES LIKE WOMEN CALLING POLICE FOR DOMESTIC PARTNERS
09:17:36 FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ONLY TO END UP GETTING ARRESTED
09:17:40 THEMSELVES FOR VIOLATING OCCUPANCY CERTIFICATES THAT ONLY
09:17:43 TWO PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN THIS APARTMENT, BUT THERE ARE
09:17:46 THREE.
09:17:46 THOSE WOMEN SAID THEY WOULD NOT CALL THE POLICE AGAIN IN
09:17:48 THE FUTURE.
09:17:49 ONE OF THEM SAID EVEN IF I WERE BEING KILLED I WOULD NOT
09:17:52 CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THEM.
09:17:54 SO THAT MAKES IT A DANGEROUS PLACE TO LIVE WHERE PEOPLE
09:17:57 ARE AFRAID TO CALL THE POLICE, WHERE JURORS ARE
09:17:59 DISTRUSTFUL OF THE TESTIMONY OF A POLICE OFFICER, IT CAN
09:18:03 RESULT IN POSSIBLY DANGEROUS DEFENDANT GOING FREE.
09:18:06 THAT TRUST IS VITAL AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE BETWEEN THE
09:18:09 COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE.
09:18:11 AND THESE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARDS HELP TO DO THAT.
09:18:15 IN THE MEMO THAT WE CIRCULATED IN FOOTNOTE ONE WE HAVE A
09:18:18 LINK TO A YOUTUBE VIDEO WHERE WE SYNCHRONIZED SELF
09:18:22 iPHONE VIDEOS TAKEN UP ON SCOTT STREET. IF THAT VIDEO
09:18:26 YOU WILL SEE A POLICE OFFICER WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND
09:18:28 JUST CASUALLY SPRAYING TEENAGERS AND 20-SOMETHING KID IN
09:18:32 THE FACE WITH PEPPER SPRAY, WITH ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE THAT
09:18:35 THEY DON'T TRUST THE PROCESS ENOUGH TO BRING A COMPLAINT,
09:18:38 AND IF THEY DID, NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM.
09:18:41 IT TURNS OUT HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE FIRST PART.
09:18:43 I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY MADE A COMPLAINT.
09:18:45 BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME OF US CAN ONLY ENVISION
09:18:51 THAT THIS WOULD BE SOME KIND OF MECHANISM THE R TO
09:18:53 DISCIPLINING OFFICERS.
09:18:54 THE BOARD WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCIPLINE OFFICERS.
09:18:57 ALL IT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IS SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY
09:18:59 ABOUT WHETHER THEY CAN OR CAN'T TRUST THE RESULT OF AN
09:19:04 INTERNAL INVESTIGATION.
09:19:05 THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SHOOTING.
09:19:06 THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ABUSE OF AUTHORITY THERE.
09:19:10 WILL BE ANOTHER INCIDENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
09:19:13 WHAT IS UP FOR GRABS IS WHETHER THERE WILL BE A VOICE
09:19:15 THAT CAN SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, HAVE BEEN CALM DOWN, WE
09:19:18 ARE GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED, AND WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT
09:19:21 BOARD, WE ARE NOT CONTROLLED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE ARE
09:19:24 NOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE ARE OF THE CITIZENS, WE WILL
09:19:26 TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND WE WILL TELL YOU IF YOU CAN TRUST
09:19:28 THE RESULTS.
09:19:29 AND YOU CAN TRUST US TO DO THAT.
09:19:31 BUT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IT HAS TO BE
09:19:34 INDEPENDENT.
09:19:34 NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, ABOUT THE
09:19:38 DRAFT ORDINANCE, IS THAT IT TALKS ABOUT REVIEWING
09:19:41 INCIDENTS THAT HAVE RESULTED IN CERTAIN DISCIPLINES, BUT
09:19:44 I SUBMIT TO THE PANEL THAT INCIDENTS THAT DON'T RESULT IN
09:19:47 DISCIPLINE ARE MORE TROUBLING TO THE COMMUNITY AND MORE
09:19:49 LIKELY TO CAUSE VOLATILITY.
09:19:52 IT IS NOT CONVICTIONS THAT CAUSE RIOTS, IT'S ACQUITTAL
09:19:56 THAT CAUSE RIOTS.
09:19:58 SO THE ORDINANCE DOES NEED TO BE CHANGED TO MATCH WHAT
09:20:01 OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE WHERE THE ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE
09:20:05 BEING MADE, NOT WHETHER OR NOT DISCIPLINE WAS --
09:20:14 THE INDEPENDENCE IS ALSO VERY NECESSARY IN TERMS OF
09:20:18 WHETHER THE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR OR BY LAW
09:20:21 ENFORCEMENT.
09:20:22 IF IT'S NOT PERCEIVED BY THE PUBLIC AS INDEPENDENT, IT
09:20:25 CAN'T SPEAK WITH THAT VOICE AND SAY, YOU CAN TRUST US TO
09:20:28 TELL YOU WHETHER TO TRUST THEM.
09:20:30 YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A PowerPoint PRESENTATION THAT
09:20:32 POINTS TO ORLANDO AND ST. PETE.
09:20:34 THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO IN THE STATE WHERE EVERYBODY IS
09:20:36 APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND THEY ARE NOT TRULY
09:20:39 INDEPENDENT.
09:20:40 OF THE 13, DAYTONA BEACH AND GAINESVILLE, ALL THE MEMBERS
09:20:45 ARE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
09:20:46 KEY WEST IS SIMILAR.
09:20:47 THERE'S FOUR APPOINTED BY COUNCIL AND FOUR APPOINTED BY
09:20:52 THE OTHER THREE, TO GIVE MORE EXAMPLES, MIAMI IS 13, TEN
09:20:57 BY THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, TWO BY THE MAYOR, ONE BY THE
09:21:00 POLICE CHIEF.
09:21:00 MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, EACH COMMISSIONER APPOINTS ONE, 13,
09:21:05 ORANGE COUNTY, THERE'S NINE, SEVEN APPOINTED, ONE BY EACH
09:21:09 COMMISSIONER AND TWO BY THE SHERIFF.
09:21:11 FT. LAUDERDALE HAS NINE.
09:21:12 THREE BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND SIX BY THE CITY
09:21:15 COMMISSION.
09:21:16 FORT MYERS HAS NINE, SEVEN BY CITY COUNCIL AND ONE BY THE
09:21:19 MAYOR.
09:21:20 TAMPA IS UNIQUE IN THAT RIGHT NOW IT HAS THE MAYOR HAS
09:21:23 HALF PLUS ONE, THE PROPOSED IS FOR HALF MINUS ONE.
09:21:27 IT DESTROYS THE INDEPENDENT CHARACTER OF THE CITIZENS
09:21:30 REVIEW BOARD THAT IS NECESSARY FOR IT TO HAVE THE
09:21:32 CREDIBILITY TO SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE AND SAY, YOU CAN OR
09:21:35 YOU CANNOT TRUST THE RESULTS OF THIS DISCIPLINARY PROCESS
09:21:40 LIKE THE DAYTONA BEACH ORDINANCE.
09:21:41 I AM GOING TO GIVE THE REST OF MY TIME TO MY COLLEAGUE.
09:21:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:21:45 YES, MA'AM.
09:21:46 >> THANK YOU.
09:21:49 AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT JAMES SAID ABOUT WE ARE
09:21:53 VOLUNTEER ATTORNEYS HERE AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND
09:21:56 EFFORT OUT OF THE LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE, AND WE THINK
09:21:59 IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
09:22:00 AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALSO CEMENT A
09:22:03 LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THIS, AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE
09:22:06 PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE WITH THEM, BUT AS JAMES SAID,
09:22:10 THERE ARE JUST A FEW MORE ITEMS THAT WE THINK ARE REALLY
09:22:13 CRUCIAL TO MAKING SURE THAT THIS REVISED ORDINANCE
09:22:16 PROVIDES A PLATFORM FOR THE CRB TO FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY.
09:22:21 AND ONE THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE INDEPENDENT
09:22:25 COUNSEL.
09:22:27 RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES
09:22:31 FOR AN ATTORNEY THAT WORKS WITHIN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
09:22:34 OFFICE TO ADVISE THE CRB, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT THE
09:22:39 LATEST DRAFT PROVIDES THAT THAT ATTORNEY CANNOT ALSO
09:22:45 ADVISE THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT IS CERTAINLY
09:22:48 BETTER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, BUT WE THINK HAVING
09:22:51 AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY WHO DOES NOT WORK FOR THE CITY IN ANY
09:22:53 OTHER CAPACITY IS REALLY THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR THE
09:22:58 COUNCIL TO MAINTAIN INDEPENDENCE AND AVOID THE LIKELIHOOD
09:23:02 OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, BECAUSE THE C RB KIND OF
09:23:07 CRUCIAL MISSION IS TO SEEK OUT THE TRUTH EVEN IF THE
09:23:10 TRUTH MAY EXPOSE THE CITY TO LIABILITY.
09:23:13 SO IF YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY FULL
09:23:16 TIME AND THE CITY IS THAT ATTORNEY'S CLIENT, AND THAT
09:23:22 LEADS TO ADD HELICOPTERS CONFLICT.
09:23:24 WE THINK HIRING OUTSIDE ATTORNEY ON A PART-TIME BASIS, AT
09:23:27 A REDUCED HOURLY RATE WOULD BE A VERY MINIMAL COST TO THE
09:23:30 CITY AND IT WOULD DO WONDERS TO BE PROVIDE CRB WITH THE
09:23:35 INDEPENDENCE THAT IT NEEDS TO FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY AND
09:23:37 HAVE CREDIBILITY IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:23:39 I ALSO WANT TO BRIEFLY TOUCH UPON THE ISSUE OF SUBPOENA
09:23:42 POWER.
09:23:44 THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE CRB
09:23:49 SUBPOENA POWER WOULD MEAN, AND WE ARE ASKING FOR THE
09:23:53 ORDINANCE TO BE REVISED TO PROVIDE FOR THE CRB TO HAVE
09:23:57 SUBPOENA POWER OVER CIVILIANS, NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
09:24:00 NOT ANY CITY EMPLOYEE, NOT THE CITY ITSELF.
09:24:03 SO IF AN INCIDENT HAPPENED AND A RING DOORBELL CAMERA
09:24:07 CAPTURES IT, BUT THAT PERSON DOESN'T WANT TO VOLUNTARILY
09:24:10 GIVE OVER THAT FOOTAGE, WE THINK THE CRB SHOULD BE ABLE
09:24:14 TO VOTE ON ISSUING A SUBPOENA FOR THAT FOOTAGE, OR IF
09:24:19 THERE'S A CIVILIAN WITNESSES TO AN INCIDENTS OR
09:24:21 SURVEILLANCE CAMERA FOOTAGE, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS
09:24:24 WE THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO NOT FORECLOSE THE CRB
09:24:27 FROM BEING ABLE TO COLLECT INDEPENDENTLY, AND BEING ABLE
09:24:30 TO COLLECT INDEPENDENT INFORMATION IS CRUCIAL AGAIN FOR
09:24:34 THE CRB TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY, AND ORANGE
09:24:37 COUNTY, BROWARD COUNTY, MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, KEY WEST, AND
09:24:41 THE CITY OF MIAMI ALL HAVE POLICE OVERSIGHT BODY THAT HAS
09:24:46 SUBPOENA POWER.
09:24:47 SO THIS IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED.
09:24:48 THIS IS NOT A RADICAL IDEA.
09:24:50 THIS IS JUST GETTING TAMPA IN LINE WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER
09:24:53 MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE STATE.
09:24:56 AND SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE MAIN ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO
09:24:59 ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER INCORPORATING INTO THE REVISED
09:25:03 ORDINANCE AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
09:25:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:25:26 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:25:34 THANK YOU.
09:25:35 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
09:25:36 >> MY NAME IS TIFFANY HILT ON, A SECOND YEAR LAW STUDENT
09:25:42 AT STETSON.
09:25:42 I AM VERY INTERESTED IN LOCAL POLITICS.
09:25:45 AND PARTICULARLY THE REHABILITATION OF THE REPUTATION OF
09:25:48 POLICE AMONG CITIZENS.
09:25:50 THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT
09:25:53 DIRECTION, BUT IT'S BY STRENGTHENING THROUGH A FEW
09:25:59 CHANGES WE CAN AMPLIFY ITS IMPACT AND BRING IT CLOSER TO
09:26:02 ITS MISSION STATEMENT.
09:26:03 YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY EXPLAIN
09:26:05 HOW WE CAN TRANSFORM THE CRB INTO A SUBSTANTIVE REVIEW
09:26:09 BOARD THAT PROVIDES FOR SOCIETAL CHANGE.
09:26:12 THINGS LIKE ESTABLISHING INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY FOR THE CRB
09:26:15 SO THEY CAN ACT FREE OF INFLUENCE FROM THEIR EMPLOYER WHO
09:26:18 IS CURRENTLY THE CITY OF TAMPA.
09:26:21 THINGS LIKE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS MADE TO
09:26:23 THE BOARD BY THE MAYOR, THINGS LIKE GIVING THE CRB
09:26:28 SUBPOENA POWER, THE PBA HAS BEEN CITING FALSEHOODS BUT
09:26:32 THE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD GIVE THE CRB SUBPOENA POWER
09:26:35 OVER INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS, BUT THIS IS NOT TRUE.
09:26:38 THIS SUBPOENA POWER WOULD GIVE CRB MEMBERS POWER TO ISSUE
09:26:42 SUBPOENAS TO INVESTIGATE OFFICER RELATED INCIDENTS AND
09:26:45 WOULD NOT EXTEND TO INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS.
09:26:48 WHAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN IS WHY WE SHOULD STRENGTHEN THE
09:26:51 CRB.
09:26:52 IN THE 19 CITY STUDY IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE TAMPA
09:26:55 POLICE DEPARTMENT PAID OUT $3.8 MILLION IN SETTLES ALSO
09:26:59 BETWEEN 2006 AND 2011.
09:27:02 TPD WAS NOT NUMBER ONE IN THE AMOUNT OF SETTLEMENT MONEY
09:27:05 PAID IN THIS STUDY, BUT WHAT TPD WAS NUMBER ONE IN WAS
09:27:09 THE PERCENTAGE OF THE SETTLEMENT MONEY THAT WENT TO CIVIL
09:27:13 RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.
09:27:15 99.3% OF ALL SETTLEMENT MONEY WAS PAID TO PLAINTIFFS FOR
09:27:20 THE VIOLATION OF CIVIL RIGHTS.
09:27:24 1.8 MILLION HAS BEEN PAID OUT BY TPD SINCE 2016 FOR THE
09:27:28 MISUSE OF K-9s ALONE.
09:27:31 IN 2019, 17 CASES WERE VACATED DUE TO THE MISCONDUCT OF
09:27:36 JUST THREE TPD OFFICERS.
09:27:38 THERE HAS BEEN A 24% INCREASE IN USE OF FORCE FROM 2017
09:27:43 TO 2019 UNDER CHIEF DUGAN.
09:27:46 THE PBA CLAIMS THAT A STRONGER MORE SUBSTANTIVE CRB WILL
09:27:51 DETER BRIGHT CANDIDATES FROM SEEKING EMPLOYMENT WITH TPD.
09:27:54 THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE IN CITIES AROUND FLORIDA WHO
09:27:57 HAVE CRBs WITH THE POWER THAT THE ACLU IS FIGHTING FOR.
09:28:02 DAYTONA BEACH GRANTS ALL SEVEN APPOINTMENTS TO THE CITY
09:28:05 COMMISSION AND MIAMI'S MAYOR APPOINTS ONLY TWO OF 13
09:28:08 POSITIONS TO THEIR BOARD.
09:28:09 THESE CHANGES AREN'T RADICAL LIKE THE PBA IS CLAIMING.
09:28:13 THESE CHANGES TOUCH TO THE REST OF THE STATE.
09:28:16 THE PBA CHANGES WILL FORCE OFFICERS INTO EARLY RETIREMENT
09:28:20 AND PREVENT THEM FROM DOING THEIR JOBS.
09:28:22 IF I DRIVE MY CAR NEGLIGENTLY, I AM SUBJECT TO CIVIL
09:28:26 ACTION AND FACE INVESTIGATION.
09:28:29 THIS DOESN'T MAKE ME A WORSE DRIVER.
09:28:30 THIS MAKES ME A MORE VIGILANT CONSCIOUS DRIVER.
09:28:34 I AM NOT AFRAID TO DRIVE MY CAR, NOR DO I CUT MY TRIPS
09:28:37 SHORT BECAUSE I'M AFRAID OF CRIMINAL OR CIVIL
09:28:40 INVESTIGATION.
09:28:41 I JUST TAILOR MY BEHAVIOR TO PREVENT MYSELF FROM
09:28:44 VIOLATING THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS.
09:28:46 DETERRENCE IS THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND OUR LAWS, AND THERE'S
09:28:49 NO REASON THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD BE LESS
09:28:52 ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS THAN YOU OR I.
09:28:55 IF WE GET THESE INVESTIGATIONS, WE BENEFIT EVERYONE IN
09:28:59 THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY PAID
09:29:01 OUT FOR SETTLEMENTS AND NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND WE CAN
09:29:05 ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING.
09:29:07 WE CAN PAY OFFICERS MORE AND GET THOSE BRIGHT YOUNG
09:29:10 RECRUITS.
09:29:11 WE CAN PROVIDE MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND BETTER TRAINING FOR
09:29:13 POLICE OFFICERS.
09:29:14 OR AS CITY COUNCILMAN JOHN DINGFELDER PROPOSED, WE CAN
09:29:18 INVEST A MILLION DOLLARS INTO DEVELOPING AN ALTERNATE
09:29:21 CRISIS RESPONSE PROGRAM.
09:29:23 WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER HEARING TO DECIDE WHAT TO SPEND THE
09:29:26 MONEY ON BUT THE FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT STEP IS TO
09:29:29 MAKING THE SETTLEMENTS LESS COMMON BECAUSE OF THE
09:29:32 STRONGER BOND BETWEEN TPD AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IT
09:29:34 SERVES.
09:29:35 THERE ARE ARGUMENT THAT THE CRB WILL COST TOO MUCH BUT I
09:29:38 COUNTER THAT THE CRB WILL SAVE US TONS OF MONEY.
09:29:41 WE CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM POLICE OFFICERS IF WE HAVE
09:29:44 NOTHING TO HIDE WE SHOULDN'T BE WORRIED.
09:29:45 I PROPOSE THAT THE TPD PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH AND LET
09:29:49 THE COMMUNITY HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE FOR MEANINGFUL
09:29:52 DISCUSSION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
09:29:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:29:55 >> THANK YOU.
09:29:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER, IF YOU COULD STATE
09:30:16 YOUR NAME, SIR.
09:30:16 >> MY NAME IS CLAY DANIELS.
09:30:22 I LIVE 37 -- NORTH BAY TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:30:25 I BEEN COMING UP HERE FOR 25 YEARS, AND YOU ALL HAVE NOT
09:30:29 DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THE LOUD MUSIC PROBLEM.
09:30:32 AND I FEEL LIKE IF I LIVED IN DAVIS ISLAND, NEW TAMPA, I
09:30:35 WOULD HAVE GOT A LOT OF HELP.
09:30:36 AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOOK AT THINGS.
09:30:39 CHIEF DUGAN, HE'S THE CHIEF.
09:30:41 AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT CITY COUNCIL.
09:30:42 YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NOISE.
09:30:45 AND IF YOU ALL DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM, YOU
09:30:47 ALL ARE GUILTY AS THE ONE CAUSING THE PROBLEM.
09:30:52 I TRIED TO WORK VERY HARD.
09:30:54 YOU ALL OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.
09:30:57 WE DID A PETITION.
09:30:58 WE ARE COMPLAINING.
09:30:59 WE WENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR HELP.
09:31:00 A MAN CAN GO TO THE MOON.
09:31:02 I KNOW YOU ALL CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS LOUD MUSIC.
09:31:05 THIS PROBLEM IS OUT OF CONTROL.
09:31:06 PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP.
09:31:07 I KNOW THE CHIEF SLEPT LAST NIGHT AND THE MAYOR, THEY ARE
09:31:11 SLEEPING GOOD.
09:31:11 WHY CAN'T WE SLEEP?
09:31:13 PEOPLE ON DAVIS ISLAND, NEW TAMPA SLEEPING.
09:31:15 WE WANT TO SLEEP, TOO.
09:31:16 I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL DISCRIMINATION.
09:31:21 THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL DISCRIMINATION WHEN YOU ALL DON'T
09:31:24 DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.
09:31:25 AND I WOULD LIKE DON'T LIKE TO PLAY THE RACIAL CARD
09:31:30 BECAUSE I KNOW IF I LIVE ON DAVIS ISLAND, NEW TAMPA, THIS
09:31:35 PROBLEM IS WAY OUT OF CONTROL.
09:31:36 THIS IS ENVIRONMENTAL, ENVIRONMENTAL, DISCRIMINATION.
09:31:39 AND YOU ALL NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.
09:31:41 CITY COUNCIL SAID THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING.
09:31:45 I ASKED THEM TO GET WITH THE CHIEF.
09:31:46 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
09:31:48 LIKE I SAID, THE CHIEF HAS THE POWER TO GET WITH ALL THE
09:31:52 POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALL THE DISTRICTS, THEY CAN DO
09:31:55 SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NOISE.
09:31:56 LIKE I SAID, THEY CAN GO TO THE MOON, THEY CAN DO
09:31:59 SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, AND THAT BOOM, BOOM, BOOM,
09:32:02 BOOM, THAT THUMPING, IS VERY ANNOYING.
09:32:05 IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE DON'T CARE.
09:32:10 YOU SEE WHAT IT SAY?
09:32:14 PEOPLE DON'T CARE.
09:32:15 I MEAN, PEOPLE NEED TO CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE'S
09:32:18 FEELINGS.
09:32:19 PEOPLE ARE PAID TO DO A JOB, AND THEY PAY GOOD MONEY, AND
09:32:22 THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB AND LOOK OUT FOR THE LITTLE
09:32:26 MAN.
09:32:26 THIS NOISE IS OUT OF CONTROL.
09:32:29 AND SEEM LIKE NOBODY WON'T LISTEN.
09:32:32 ALL WE HEAR IS TALK AND NO ACTION.
09:32:35 AND ARE WE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM?
09:32:38 WE HAVE GOT TO GET THE POLICE TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM,
09:32:41 GET THIS MONEY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU ALL
09:32:44 CAN FIND MONEY -- YOU ALL CAN FIND MONEY FOR EVERYTHING
09:32:48 ELSE.
09:32:48 YOU ALL CAN FIND MONEY TO HIRE POLICE FOR TEN HOURS TO
09:32:52 TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM.
09:32:54 IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.
09:32:55 IT IS KILLING PEOPLE.
09:32:57 IT'S DETRIMENTAL.
09:32:59 TO YOU ALL, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
09:33:01 BUT IT'S A BIG DEAL TO US BECAUSE WHERE WE LIVE, IT'S ALL
09:33:04 WITH WE HERE.
09:33:06 SLEEP WITH EARPLUGS OWN AT NIGHT.
09:33:08 THIS NOISE IS OUT OF CONTROL.
09:33:09 AND SOMETIME I THINK YOU ALL DON'T LISTEN.
09:33:13 I THINK ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO GET WITH THE
09:33:16 CHIEF AND HAVE IF CHIEF TO GET WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:33:19 TO CRACK DOWN ON THIS NOISE.
09:33:21 AND LIKE I SAY, IF THE CHIEF DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS
09:33:24 NOISE, HE JUST AS GUILTY AS THE ONE WHO IS CAUSING THE
09:33:27 PROBLEM.
09:33:28 THANK YOU.
09:33:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:33:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW ITEM NUMBER 4
09:33:47 DEALS WITH NOISE ORDINANCE TODAY.
09:33:49 I KNOW THAT MY OFFICE DID SUBMIT SOME INFORMATION OF THE
09:33:53 EXPERT THAT DEALS WITH NOISE.
09:33:56 SUBMIT IT TO LEGAL.
09:33:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, I HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME.
09:34:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND COUNCIL IS WORKING.
09:34:03 WE HEAR YOU BUT SOMETIMES COUNCIL IS LIMITED IN ITS
09:34:06 EXECUTION OF CERTAIN THINGS IN THE CITY.
09:34:08 AND THE POLICE CHIEF DOESN'T WORK FOR COUNCIL, WORKS FOR
09:34:12 THE MAYOR.
09:34:13 I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
09:34:14 ALSO, I KNOW MR. CHAIRMAN SAID HE HAS INFORMATION, SO WE
09:34:17 WILL DISCUSS THIS, AND SEE HER RECOMMENDATION, WHAT SHE'S
09:34:22 DONE.
09:34:22 SO THANK YOU.
09:34:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:34:24 YES, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:34:25 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:34:25 >> MY NAME IS DAVE SIMINOFF, A TAMPA RESIDENTS.
09:34:32 I AM HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY IF
09:34:35 YOU VOTE FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE FOR THE CRB.
09:34:39 BASICALLY, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU SAY YOU HAVE DONE
09:34:42 FOR THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA WHEN YOU LOOK FOR MORE
09:34:45 INDEPENDENCE.
09:34:45 FIRST OFF YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE IN MORE
09:34:47 ACCOUNTABILITY.
09:34:48 YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF CAN HAVE THE
09:34:51 TOOLS AND THE INDEPENDENCE IT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT
09:34:57 CLAIMS FAIRLY AND ACCURATELY REVIEWED IN A TIMELY MANNER.
09:35:01 SECONDLY, YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE IN THE ABILITY
09:35:04 OF THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK AFTER ITS BEST INTERESTS, NOT
09:35:07 FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO CLAIM TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST
09:35:12 INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ITS BEHALF.
09:35:16 THIRD, YOU ARE DEMONSTRATING TRUST, WELCOMING INDEPENDENT
09:35:18 REVIEW.
09:35:19 YOU ARE SAYING BASICALLY WHAT A LOT OF THE LAW
09:35:21 ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE ARE SAYING TODAY, THAT ACCOUNTABILITY
09:35:25 AND RESPONSIBILITY ARE PROOF.
09:35:28 YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO IT THAN WHAT
09:35:30 WE ARE DOING NOW.
09:35:31 YOU ARE ALSO SAYING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS WILL NOT
09:35:35 AFFECT POLICE PERFORMANCE.
09:35:36 NOTHING BEING PROPOSED FOR MORE INDEPENDENCE FOR THE CRB
09:35:41 WILL HINDER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM DOING THEIR
09:35:44 JOBS NO TIMELY, RESPONSIBLE, ROBUST, EFFECTIVE MANNER,
09:35:49 AND NOTHING BEING DISCUSSED TODAY WILL HURT MORALE.
09:35:52 IN FACT, IT MIGHT HELP EVEN.
09:35:55 BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY FELLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
09:36:00 ARE GOING TO BE HELD TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS THAT I
09:36:02 WANTS FOR MYSELF.
09:36:04 YOU ARE ALSO SAYING THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THIS IS A BEST
09:36:07 PRACTICE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:36:08 ALL OVER THE STATE, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, THIS IS A MODEL
09:36:12 FOR WHAT'S BEING DONE.
09:36:14 AND IT WORKS.
09:36:16 DON'T ASK ME.
09:36:21 LOOK AT THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE.
09:36:22 YOU ALSO SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES.
09:36:26 THIS PROPOSAL MERELY RESTRUCTURES AND GIVES A LITTLE BIT
09:36:29 MORE TEETH TO THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD THAN ALREADY
09:36:32 EXISTS.
09:36:32 FINALLY, YOU WILL NOT BE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE ANY VALUE
09:36:35 JUDGMENT ON THE GOOD WORK THAT THE TPD DOES.
09:36:38 YOU ARE BASICALLY NOT BLAMING ANYONE.
09:36:40 YOU ARE JUST AGREEING WITH WHAT A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS
09:36:43 HAVE SAID HERE TODAY, THAT ACCOUNTABILITY IS IMPORTANT,
09:36:46 AND THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
09:36:49 THANK YOU.
09:36:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:36:53 WITH
09:36:56
09:36:56
09:37:02 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:37:03 >> MY NAME IS KAREN MOONEY AND I AM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
09:37:14 AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS REVIEW
09:37:19 BOARD.
09:37:21 I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, SO I AM
09:37:25 HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, BECAUSE
09:37:31 WHAT A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD MEANS IS THAT COMMUNITIES
09:37:33 SHOULD AND ACTUALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE POLICE
09:37:36 DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE, AFTER ALL, SERVE AND PROTECT IS
09:37:39 THEIR MOTTO, RIGHT?
09:37:41 SO WE BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER
09:37:44 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:37:44 SO SOME OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT I AM SPEAKING OUT IN
09:37:48 SUPPORT OF IS DECREASING THE APPOINTMENTS MADE BY THE
09:37:52 MAYOR, BECAUSE HAVING FIVE SEATS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A
09:37:56 LACK OF TRUST IN THE PUBLIC, AND AS MEMBERS OF ACLU
09:38:01 POINTED OUT EARLIER, THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL CRBs IN
09:38:05 THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT ARE DOING WHAT'S BEING
09:38:08 PROPOSED.
09:38:09 SO IT'S NOT AS THEY MENTIONED, IS NOT A RADICAL REQUEST.
09:38:13 MAKING THE ATTORNEY INDEPENDENT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS IS
09:38:16 A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO HAVE AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY
09:38:22 AS AN ADVISER, AGAIN THAT'S GOING TO BE CONFLICT OF
09:38:25 INTEREST, LACK OF TRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY.
09:38:27 ALSO, THE SUPPORT OF ADDING SUBPOENA POWER FOR NON-LAW
09:38:31 ENFORCEMENT MEMBERS, AS AGAIN SEVERAL CRBs IN THE STATE
09:38:36 OF FLORIDA ARE ALREADY DOING THIS.
09:38:39 AND LET'S SEE, WE WANT TO LIMIT FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT
09:38:45 PARTICIPATION IN THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:38:48 YOU MAKE IT AS NONBIASED A POSSIBLE.
09:38:52 AND ALLOW CRB WITH A 50% VOTE AND NOT LIMIT MATTERS TO
09:38:57 CERTAIN DISCIPLINE.
09:38:58 SO THESE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD ENHANCE PUBLIC TRUST OF
09:39:00 THE TPD WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT AFTER WHAT'S
09:39:05 HAPPENED IN THE YEAR 2020, IT NEEDS SOME FIXING AND
09:39:09 REPAIRING OF THE COMMUNITY TRUST SO THESE PROPOSALS WOULD
09:39:13 HELP IN THAT DIRECTION.
09:39:14 IT WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC A MEANINGFUL VOICE.
09:39:17 AND THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT THERE WOULD BE DECREASED
09:39:20 MORALE AND DETERRENCE OF RECRUITMENTS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT,
09:39:24 BUT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THIS, SO THERE'S CLAIMS BEING
09:39:27 MADE THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR.
09:39:30 SO IN THE END, LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD NOT JUDGE THEIR
09:39:33 OWN, BUT THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA HAVE A MEANINGFUL SEAT AT
09:39:38 THE TABLE BECAUSE IN THE END IT'S GOING TO PIT THE
09:39:42 COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE, AND I WILL REITERATE WHAT THE
09:39:44 LAW STUDENT SAID, IT WOULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY, TOO.
09:39:47 SO THAT'S IT.
09:39:47 THANK YOU.
09:39:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:39:55 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:40:05 YES, SIR.
09:40:08 GO AHEAD.
09:40:08 >> MY NAME IS ANGEL D'ANGELO, BORN AND RAISED RIGHT HERE
09:40:13 IN TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:40:14 I'M HERE TO ELEVATE WHAT PAST SPEAKERS SAID.
09:40:16 WHEN I WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL HERE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA,
09:40:19 OFFICER FRIENDLY USED TO TELL US IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO
09:40:22 HIDE, THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
09:40:24 THAT'S THE MANTRA OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT THEY ARE
09:40:27 SO AFRAID TO DELIVER ON ACCOUNTABILITY, A SLIVER.
09:40:30 HONESTLY, THIS BARELY SCRATCHES THE SURFACE TO WHAT WE
09:40:34 NEED.
09:40:34 I THINK WE NEED AS A SOCIETY AND A COMMUNITY TO STAY ON
09:40:37 THE MESSAGE OF REFUND THE COMMUNITY.
09:40:39 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR IN THE CITY COUNCIL
09:40:41 ELECTED NOT TO DO SO, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS FIGHT
09:40:45 HONESTLY.
09:40:45 YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW.
09:40:46 WE NEED HEALTH CARE.
09:40:48 WE NEED HOUSING.
09:40:49 WE NEED FOOD.
09:40:50 WE NEED SERVICES.
09:40:51 WE NEED ALL KINDS OF PROGRAMS, NOT CONNECTED TO TPD, WE
09:40:57 NEED PROGRAMS THAT WILL GO OUT AND SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS
09:41:01 BECAUSE WHAT THE POLICING SYSTEM IS DOING IS CAUSING
09:41:04 RECIDIVISM AND CAUSE THE PROBLEMS TO IGNITE BECAUSE
09:41:07 THAT'S WHAT THEY DO BEST.
09:41:08 THE VERY LEAST THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN DO IS APPROVE THESE
09:41:13 CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO DO JUST A VERY SMALL STEP
09:41:15 TOWARDS THE POSSIBILITY OF TRANSPARENCY AND STILL WON'T
09:41:18 DO ENOUGH.
09:41:19 WE HAVE TO FIGHT A LOT HARDER.
09:41:21 THIS CITY COUNCIL IS SERVING TO HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT
09:41:24 THEY WANT TO BE.
09:41:26 RIGHT NOW, YOU AND THE PBA AND THE TAMPA POLICE
09:41:30 DEPARTMENT, MOST ESPECIALLY CHIEF DUGAN, ARE GUARDIANS OF
09:41:34 OPPRESSION.
09:41:34 SO YOU CAN DECIDE WHAT FUTURE YOU WANT TO HAVE.
09:41:37 ALL FEBRUARY, THIS MONTH, BLACK HISTORY MONTH, YOU WANT
09:41:40 TO TALK ABOUT DR. KING, AND WHEN VENESSA MAC CLEARY WAS
09:41:44 HERE, FORMER HOUSING, I WISH WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE TO
09:41:47 HELP YOU.
09:41:48 YOU COULD.
09:41:49 IT'S CALLED THE BUDGET.
09:41:51 YET YOU ELECT TO GIVE TPD 13 MILLION MORE WHEN THE PEOPLE
09:41:55 HAVE BARELY 13 MILLION IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:41:58 SO FOR THE POLICING THAT WE HAVE, MOST OF THEM DON'T EVEN
09:42:01 LIVE HERE, INCLUDING DUGAN, REGULATE THAT CRB TO WHERE WE
09:42:04 HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY, AND THE ABILITY.
09:42:07 THIS IS NOT THE MOST SCRUTINIZED PROFESSION.
09:42:10 PBA IS OBVIOUSLY LIVING IN A FANTASY LAND.
09:42:14 THEY ALWAYS HAVE.
09:42:14 COMMUNITY PATRIOTS PAINTED BLACKS, BLUE, WHATEVER, ON OUR
09:42:19 STREETS ILLEGALLY, NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND IT MAY GO TO
09:42:22 WASHINGTON ON JANUARY 5th.
09:42:27 THE JUSTICE COALITION AND THE ACTIVISTS ON THE GROUND, WE
09:42:31 HAVE NEVER ATTEMPTED AN INSURRECTION BUT THESE PEOPLE
09:42:35 HAVE AND WHY IS THAT?
09:42:37 BECAUSE THEY ARE GUARDIANS OF WHITE SUPREMACY,
09:42:39 PATRIARCHY, HETEROSEXISM, ALL THEISMS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE
09:42:43 HEARING ABOUT AND YOU ARE TIRED OF US TALKING ABOUT.
09:42:46 IT'S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING
09:42:48 RADICALLY DIFFERENT.
09:42:51 GIVING THE CRB MORE POWER IS NOT THE RADICAL CHANGE WE
09:42:54 NEED BUT IT IS CHANGE THAT I DO SUPPORT SO WE GET THE
09:42:58 CHANGE THAT WE NEED.
09:42:59 I HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL AT LEAST DO THE RIGHT THING
09:43:01 THIS TIME AND KNOW THAT WE WILL BE OUT THERE DEMANDING
09:43:04 REFUND THE COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL
09:43:06 IT'S DONE, UNTIL THE BREATH IS OUT OF MY BODY.
09:43:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:43:17 ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER.
09:43:17 >> JEFF HAWKS.
09:43:28 I REPRESENT A GROUP CALLED THE COMMUNITY PATRIOTS HERE IN
09:43:33 TOWN ABOUT 5,000 STRONG.
09:43:36 HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER BEEN TO A PROTEST?
09:43:42 HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER BEEN DOWN ON THE STREET WHEN THEY
09:43:46 BLOCKED THE ROADS?
09:43:51 I BELIEVE THE ORGANIZATION THAT'S BEHIND THESE CHANGES
09:43:54 REPRESENTED SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DISRUPTED OUR
09:43:59 COMMUNITY.
09:44:02 STRAW PARK.
09:44:03 JOE, YOU LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
09:44:04 JOHN, WHAT ABOUT SWANN AND HOWARD?
09:44:07 THE CVS.
09:44:10 IT'S TIME YOU REPRESENTED ALL OF THE CITIZENS.
09:44:14 I REPRESENT SEVERAL GROUPS.
09:44:16 THEY WANT YOU TO STAND BY THE LAW, STAND BY THE
09:44:19 CONSTITUTION, BACK THE BLUE.
09:44:23 WE STRONGLY URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL AND
09:44:31 STAND WITH THE POLICE UNION.
09:44:33 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:44:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:44:45 NEXT SPEAKER.
09:45:11 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:45:14 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:45:25 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:45:26 >> KEVIN BENJAMIN.
09:45:36 [NO ENCODER] [NO ENCODER]
09:45:57 ... TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HISTORY IN THIS COUNTRY, WHEN
09:46:00 IT COMES TO EQUALITY AND JUSTICE, STILL HAVE A LONG, LONG
09:46:08 ROAD.
09:46:08 THE SPIRIT OF THAT MESSAGE WAS THE SPIRIT THAT THIS
09:46:13 MOVEMENT FOR CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD BEGAN WITH OVER FIVE
09:46:16 YEARS AGO.
09:46:18 WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON A LOT OF THE
09:46:23 PARTICULARS IN REGARDS TO THIS ORDINANCE, BUT IN ESSENCE
09:46:27 WE ARE ASKING FOR A VOICE FOR THE COMMUNITY IN REGARD TO
09:46:33 POLICE, ACCOUNTABILITY, INDEPENDENCE AND TRANSPARENCY
09:46:37 LIKE CITIES ALL ACROSS THE NATION AND ALL ACROSS OUR
09:46:39 STATE HAVE DONE, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BETTER
09:46:42 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY,
09:46:46 AND THIS IS THE COMMUNITY THAT THE DOJ CONFIRMS, THAT HAS
09:46:52 A PATTERN OF DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES ON THE PART OF LAW
09:46:56 ENFORCE MENT IN THIS COMMUNITY.
09:46:59 THIS ALSO BEING BLACK HISTORY MONTH, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE
09:47:07 ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE PASSIONATE VOICES THAT YOU
09:47:10 HEARD, AND I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE SCHOLARS OF HISTORY ON
09:47:13 THIS COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.
09:47:14 I KNOW MANY OF YOU WERE OUT THERE IN THE STREETS DURING
09:47:18 THE LAST SUMMER'S PROTESTS AFTER THIS TRAGEDY WITH GEORGE
09:47:22 FLOYD.
09:47:23 THIS IS WHAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PASSIONATELY ASKING
09:47:25 FOR, AND TAKING TO THE STREETS, GETTING GASSED, TO
09:47:30 HAVE -- AND THIS IS AS WAS STATED BY OTHER PEOPLE BEFORE
09:47:34 ME, THIS IS JUST THE VERY FIRST STEP TO BEGIN TO HAVE
09:47:38 THAT VOICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
09:47:40 WE NEED ONE THAT IS INDEPENDENT, ONE THAT WAS SET UP FIVE
09:47:44 YEARS AGO AS WE KNOW, THAT WAS STACKED WITH THE MAYOR'S
09:47:48 APPOINTEES, DID NOT DO JUSTICE TO THE SPIRIT OF THIS
09:47:51 BOARD.
09:47:51 AND THAT IS WHY COUNCILMAN GUDES REQUESTED THAT WE REVIEW
09:47:55 THIS AND CREATE A BOARD THAT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR OUR
09:47:58 COMMUNITY AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED.
09:48:00 I URGE YOU TODAY TO, COUNCIL, YOU DESERVE THE
09:48:05 APPOINTMENTS ON THIS BOARD, AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD
09:48:07 WITH THE PROCESS, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A GREAT
09:48:09 DEAL OF WORK ON BOTH SIDES TO COME TO A CONSENSUS ON
09:48:12 WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
09:48:15 I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE GETTING TIRED.
09:48:20 WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR NINE MONTHS NOW.
09:48:23 WE COULD HAVE HAD A CHILD.
09:48:24 LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
09:48:25 LET'S GET THIS CREATED TODAY THAT WORKS FOR OUR COMMUNITY
09:48:29 SO WE WON'T HAVE TO REVISIT THIS.
09:48:31 WHEN THE NEXT TRAGEDY OCCURS AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE
09:48:33 ENOUGH ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
09:48:35 I THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR TIME, CONSIDERATION AND ALL OF
09:48:37 YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
09:48:38 THANK YOU.
09:48:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:48:45 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:49:02 YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
09:49:03 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:49:06 YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
09:49:10 BRANCH, AND A RESIDENT OF TAMPA.
09:49:14 HAPPY BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
09:49:18 AM I HUMAN?
09:49:19 THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT STARTED IN 1954 BECAUSE OF AN
09:49:25 INHUMANE TREATMENT OF AFRICAN AMERICANS.
09:49:28 THEY ENDURED PREJUDICE, BEATINGS, DISCRIMINATION, JAIL,
09:49:34 AND DENIED BASIC RIGHTS.
09:49:37 WE AFRICAN AMERICANS DID NOT START THIS FIGHT.
09:49:41 WE DID NOT START BIKING WHILE BLACK.
09:49:46 WE DID NOT START DRIVING WHILE BLACK.
09:49:49 WE DID NOT START ILLEGAL SEARCHES.
09:49:53 OR WE DID NOT START STOP AND FRISK.
09:49:57 WE DID NOT ASK TO BE SLAMMED TO THE GROUND.
09:49:59 WE DID NOT ASK TO BE PUT IN THE BACK OF A POLICE CAR FOR
09:50:03 HOURS.
09:50:03 WE DID NOT ASK TO BE SHOT FOR HOLDING A HAIR BRUSH OR A
09:50:08 CELL PHONE.
09:50:10 WE DID NOT START THIS FIGHT WITH TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:50:17 ACCORDING TO THE HISTORY, THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT ENDED
09:50:19 IN 1968.
09:50:23 YET IT IS SAD THAT I STAND BEFORE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
09:50:28 DEMANDING AND BEGGING FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS TO BE TREATED
09:50:32 WITH RESPECT.
09:50:34 I CAN HONESTLY SAY, ACTUALLY, AFRICAN AMERICANS FEARED
09:50:41 THEIR LIVES LONG BEFORE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT LEGALIZED
09:50:46 THAT PHRASE.
09:50:49 I GUESS YOU CAN SAY AFRICAN AMERICANS STARTED "I FEAR MY
09:50:55 LIFE."
09:50:56 AGAIN, WE DID NOT START THIS WITH TAMPA POLICE
09:50:58 DEPARTMENT.
09:51:01 THE INJUSTICES STARTED WITHIN THEIR HOUSE.
09:51:07 IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE.
09:51:09 IT IS TIME FOR DUE PROCESS.
09:51:11 IT IS TIME FOR ACCOUNTABILITY.
09:51:13 IT IS TIME FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO TRULY END THE CIVIL
09:51:18 RIGHTS MOVEMENT IN TAMPA.
09:51:21 CHANGE HAS GOT TO COME.
09:51:26 AM I HUMAN?
09:51:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:51:38 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:51:39 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:51:57 NASTY, STINKING, RACIST DOG.
09:52:02 NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
09:52:04 LET'S START THIS WAY.
09:52:09 YOU ALWAYS HAVE A PROBLEM OF HOW I DRESS, WHATSOEVER, BUT
09:52:12 THE FIRST LADY CAME UP REPRESENTING POLICE UNION OR
09:52:14 SOMETHING.
09:52:15 HALF HER BREAST OUT.
09:52:17 WHY YOU ARE ALL NOT CENSORING HER?
09:52:21 IT JUST SHOWS HOW DISCRIMINATION WORK.
09:52:23 AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE COME UP REPRESENTING ACLU.
09:52:26 THEY GET TO SPEAK DOUBLE AND TRIPLE.
09:52:28 YOU UNDERSTAND?
09:52:29 BUT I HAD ANOTHER YOUNG BLACK MAN WITH ME.
09:52:31 I CAN'T GET TO SPEAK ON THE SAME PUBLIC COMMENTS.
09:52:33 NASTY STINKING RACIST DOG.
09:52:36 AND WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING THE DOGS THE POLICE PUT ON
09:52:39 YOU.
09:52:39 WE TALKING ABOUT THE DOGS THAT SITTING UPSTAIRS, THE
09:52:42 NASTY STINKING RACIST DOGS THAT SITTING UPSTAIRS THAT SAY
09:52:45 YOU CAN'T EVEN ADDRESS THEM A CERTAIN WAY, LIKE THEY GOD,
09:52:49 LIKE TO A GREEK GOD OR ROMAN GOD OR SOMETHING.
09:52:52 GARBAGE.
09:52:52 NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.
09:52:54 YOU ALL BEGGING FOR POLICE.
09:52:57 THE POLICE IS THE KU KLUX KLAN.
09:53:03 600 BICYCLE STOPS INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU ALL AROUND
09:53:06 HERE BEGGING FOREGO POLICE REVIEW BOARD.
09:53:08 NO.
09:53:08 YOU UNDERSTAND?
09:53:11 JOSEPH SHOT OVER 62 TIMES RIGHT HERE A FEW BLOCKS FROM MY
09:53:15 HOUSE.
09:53:16 YEAH, NASTY STINKING RACIST DOGS.
09:53:19 THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
09:53:20 THE KKK.
09:53:21 THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.
09:53:23 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
09:53:24 LYNCH CAPITAL OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
09:53:27 LYNCH CAPITAL OF THE SOUTH AT ONE TIME.
09:53:30 YOU ALL WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO KEEP BEGGING AND COMING DOWN
09:53:33 HERE AND ON OUR KNEES AND COMING TO THIS NONSENSE.
09:53:39 TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR YEARS RIGHT THERE IN YBOR
09:53:42 CITY, SPRAYING PEPPER SPRAY THROUGHOUT THE CROWD, EVERY
09:53:48 TIME CLUB JEWEL IS OVER WITH.
09:53:51 YOU ALL DIDN'T DO ONE DAMN THING ABOUT IT.
09:53:54 YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF YOU ALL ARE CAREER
09:53:56 POLITICIANS.
09:53:57 SOME OF YOU ALL ARE CAREER POLITICIANS AND YOU ALL TRYING
09:54:00 TO GET BLACK PEOPLE TO BUY INTO THAT PROPAGANDA. WE
09:54:03 DON'T HAVE TO BUY INTO THAT.
09:54:04 BLACK PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO ASSESS THAT.
09:54:06 AND WHEN WE GO ANOTHER A JUDGMENT YOU ALL CALL IT RIOTING
09:54:13 AND LOOTING AND STEALING AND SHOPLIFTING BUT WHEN WHITE
09:54:18 PEOPLE DO IT YOU CALL IT INSURRECTION.
09:54:20 WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE TO DOO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR RIGHTS
09:54:23 WHICH WHITE RIGHTS ALREADY HAVE, YOU CALL IT
09:54:26 INSURRECTION.
09:54:26 WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT THIS, THERE'S SOMETHING
09:54:30 WRONG ABOUT THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO COME AND BEG FOR POLICE
09:54:33 REVIEW BOARD.
09:54:34 DO WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE AFRICAN PEOPLE ON
09:54:38 THE STREETS, WE LIVE THIS LIFE.
09:54:39 WE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
09:54:41 IT'S SICKENING TO SEE, BUT IT'S SO HONORABLE TO SEE YOUNG
09:54:46 WHITE PEOPLE, YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE DOWN HERE SAYING, HEY,
09:54:50 WE SEE THE LIGHT.
09:54:51 YOU UNDERSTAND?
09:54:52 WE BEEN SEEING DISCRIMINATION.
09:54:54 I BEEN SEEING DISCRIMINATION FROM THE VERY DAY, WHITE
09:54:58 CHILD RAISE THEIR HAND, DON'T RAISE THEIR HANDS TO SPEAK,
09:55:00 OH, JOHNNY, IT'S NOT DONE THAT WAY.
09:55:02 BLACK CHILD DO IT, GO TAKE YOUR BLACK ASS TO THE OFFICE.
09:55:07 YEAH, YOU IN TROUBLE.
09:55:08 YOU ABOUT TO BE SUSPENDED.
09:55:09 YOU ABOUT TO BE EXPELLED FOR DOING THE SAME THING WHITE
09:55:12 PEOPLE DOING.
09:55:13 BLACK PEOPLE, WE DESERVE RIGHTS AND WE DESERVE JUSTICE
09:55:16 AND ORLANDO GUDES, WE HOPE THAT YOU LOOK OUT FOR OUR
09:55:19 RIGHTS AND OTHER PEOPLE UP THERE THAT'S DOING SOME
09:55:22 HONORABLE THING.
09:55:23 WE FINALLY HAVE A CITY COUNCIL THAT'S LOOKING DECENT NOW.
09:55:26 AND WE WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO DO SOMETHING TO REALLY
09:55:29 REPRESENT WHAT THE PEOPLE OF SAYING THAT WE NEED, NOT
09:55:32 WHAT A FEW SELECT INDIVIDUALS TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE A
09:55:36 THOUSAND EMPLOYEES, AND YOU ALL HAVE A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES
09:55:39 THAT WORKS FOR THE TAXPAYERS, OR WE GOING TO QUIT OUR
09:55:43 JOBS.
09:55:43 WHO IN THE HELL QUIT THEIR JOBS IN A PANDEMIC?
09:55:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:55:48 THANK YOU.
09:55:52 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:56:08 YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
09:56:09 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:56:09 >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE.
09:56:14 THAT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.
09:56:15 KIND OF NERVOUS.
09:56:16 I WANT TO START BY SAYING TO THE COUNCIL, I WATCHED THE
09:56:19 JUNE 4th CITY COUNCIL ON FACEBOOK LIVE AND THE
09:56:22 COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO MADE ABOUT HIS RIDE
09:56:26 ALONG AND ENTERING THE HOME THAT SOMEBODY HAD JUST PASSED
09:56:29 AWAY, THAT REALLY TOUCHED MY HEART BECAUSE I FELT LIKE
09:56:32 YOU GET THE SUBTLIES OF WHAT THAT PROFESSION DEALS WITH.
09:56:37 BUT I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE ACLU PROPOSAL, BECAUSE I
09:56:41 BELIEVE IT WILL RESTORE TRANSPARENCY FOR THE TAMPA POLICE
09:56:45 DEPARTMENT.
09:56:49 SURELY, THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION SAW THE SUBPOENA ISSUE
09:56:55 COMING UP WHEN SHE ANNOUNCED THIS REVIEW BOARD CHANGE AS
09:56:58 AN ANSWER TO SOME OF THE SOCIAL JUSTICE PROTESTS SHE SAW.
09:57:01 BUT PANDORA'S BOX HAS BEEN OPENED, AND I WANT TO BE SPEAK
09:57:05 TO SHARE THE IMPACTS OF LEAVING THIS METAPHORICAL BOX
09:57:08 UNOPENED FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE.
09:57:09 I JOINED THE ACLU BECAUSE THEY ARE A NONPARTISAN GROUP,
09:57:13 AND I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT EQUALITY, SO MUCH SO THAT I
09:57:16 HELPED MY SISTER GET INTO HER LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER
09:57:20 WHERE SHE ULTIMATELY MET HER HUSBAND.
09:57:22 THERE'S NOTHING EXTREME ABOUT MY FAMILY.
09:57:24 SINCE NOVEMBER, THERE HAS BEEN SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE
09:57:27 THE POLICE UNION LEADERSHIP HAS ATTACKED THE ACLU IN THE
09:57:31 PAST.
09:57:31 BEFORE THE LAST CRB DISCUSSION THEY ASKED THEIR FOLLOWERS
09:57:35 TO SUPPORT THE PBA AGAINST THE ACLU.
09:57:40 THAT WAS AN AWKWARD DINNER CONVERSATION.
09:57:44 JUST LAST WEEK, THE UNION PRESIDENT PUBLISHED AN OP-ED IN
09:57:48 THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES."
09:57:49 TAMPA MUST KEEP POLITICS OUT OF POLICING.
09:57:51 THE UNION PRESIDENT EXPLAINS WHY IT OPPOSES RADICAL
09:57:54 CHANGES TO THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
09:57:56 RADICAL CHANGES.
09:58:00 COUNCIL, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT AUDIENCE IS THAT
09:58:04 OP-ED FOR?
09:58:05 IT WOULD APPEAR THE HEADLINE IS FOR FREEDOM GROUPS THAT
09:58:08 WE KEEP HEARING FROM.
09:58:10 IT'S ONLY BEEN 50 DAYS SINCE THE INSURRECTION.
09:58:14 MANY OF THESE PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE VALIDITY OF
09:58:16 THAT EVENT.
09:58:16 JUST YESTERDAY A U.S. SENATOR REPEATED LIES ABOUT IT.
09:58:19 I WOULDN'T BE WORKING WITH THIS ORGANIZATION IF I DIDN'T
09:58:21 HAVE THE LOVE AND SUPPORT OF MY FAMILY.
09:58:24 NOW, CITY COUNCIL, YOU MAY NOT HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WHAT
09:58:26 THE POLICE UNION SAYS, BUT YOU DO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT
09:58:29 YOU LEGITIMIZE.
09:58:31 IF YOU PLAY TO THE FARCE GIVING ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD
09:58:35 AUTHORITY TO GET DOCUMENTS, THEN THAT WILL VALIDATE THE
09:58:40 FREEDOM SUPPORTERS WHO ARE IMPRESSIONABLE AND CALLED UPON
09:58:43 BY THEIR LEADERS.
09:58:44 I WOULD IMAGINE SOME MAY BE NERVOUS CITY COUNCIL PERSON
09:58:47 TO BRING THIS PROPOSAL UP FOR A VOTE.
09:58:49 I WAS NERVOUS COMING HERE TODAY.
09:58:50 MY HUSBAND'S PARENTS EMIGRATED FROM CHINA IN THE 70s
09:58:55 AND 50 DAYS AGO WE WATCHED A MAN LEAVING AN ASSEMBLY LINE
09:59:04 BEATEN BY A POLICE OFFICER.
09:59:07 PLEASE.
09:59:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:59:13 I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUR MORE SPEAKERS IN PERSON NEXT
09:59:19 SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:59:26 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
09:59:33 MY NAME IS GRETCHEN COTHRON, TAMPA NATIVE AND RESIDENT
09:59:39 AND, YES, AN ATTORNEY.
09:59:41 I GUESS THE PBA HAS REFERRED TO ME AS AN ACTIVIST
09:59:44 ATTORNEY BUT I AM ACTUALLY A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
09:59:49 AND YOU CAN CALL ME AN ACTIVIST BECAUSE I LOVE THIS
09:59:52 COMMUNITY.
09:59:52 AND I WILL SPEAK OUT.
09:59:55 I WILL DO WHAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY A BETTER
09:59:57 PLACE.
10:00:04 JUST LAST YEAR EVERYBODY WHO HAD A SMALL BUSINESS, OUR
10:00:08 BUSINESSES WERE FORCED TO CLOSE.
10:00:10 DURING THE TIME THAT MY BUSINESS WAS CLOSED, AND OVER THE
10:00:13 SUMMER, AND CONTINUING EVEN TO THIS MORNING, LAST YEAR I
10:00:21 PUT IN OVER 500 HOURS OF COMMUNITY WORK, OF VOLUNTEER
10:00:24 WORK.
10:00:24 FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WORK A 40 HOUR WEEK JOB, THAT'S
10:00:28 THREE MONTHS OF UNPAID LABOR.
10:00:30 AND IT COST ME OVER $200,000 OF GRANTS BECAUSE I BELIEVE
10:00:40 IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I WILL FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.
10:00:42 THE PBA HAS -- ABOUT THOSE OF US THAT VOLUNTEER WITH
10:00:47 ACLU, WHO HAVE VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE ON THIS PROJECT.
10:00:53 NONE OF US ARE COMPENSATED BY THE ACLU.
10:00:55 I WON'T EVEN BE COMPENSATED FOR MY PARKING OUTSIDE TODAY.
10:00:58 WE DO THIS BECAUSE WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY, AND WE LOVE
10:01:01 THE CONSTITUTION, AND WE LOVE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
10:01:07 NONE OF US WORK FOR THE ACLU.
10:01:10 BUT BECAUSE OF HER OP EDS AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS I HAVE
10:01:18 BEEN GETTING THREATS ON SOCIAL IMMEDIATE BECAUSE I DARE
10:01:22 TO STAND UP TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:01:26 AND I DARE TO, AND THE CITIZENS VOTED AND ELECTED JANE
10:01:34 CASTOR AS MAYOR, THAT THEY INTENDED TO HAVE A
10:01:36 DICTATORSHIP RUN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:01:40 BUT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MAYOR CASTOR, FORMER POLICE
10:01:44 CHIEF, WHO SOME PEOPLE I SPEAK TO AND HEAR FROM INSIDE
10:01:49 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES SHE'S STILL RUNNING THE
10:01:51 POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:01:52 SO SHE'S RUNNING THE CITY.
10:01:53 SHE'S RUNNING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:01:55 NOW SHE WANTS TO RUN THE CRB, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE A
10:01:59 CIVILIAN PANEL TO REVIEW POLICE INDISCRETIONS.
10:02:05 I WAS ON THE GROUND THAT SUMMER.
10:02:08 I SAW PEOPLE GETTING HIT BY RUBBER BULLETS.
10:02:13 I HAD TEAR GAS OR CANISTERS OF GAS SPRAYED AT ME AND
10:02:17 OTHERS.
10:02:18 I WAS THERE.
10:02:19 I SAW IT.
10:02:20 AND TO THIS DAY, DURING A MEETING, TAMPA POLICE
10:02:25 DEPARTMENT HAS DENIED USING GAS OR SHOOTING RUBBER
10:02:28 BULLETS.
10:02:29 SO WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM RUN THEIR OWN REVIEW
10:02:32 FATHER-IN-LAW, WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM NOT BE
10:02:36 ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYBODY EXCEPT THEMSELVES OR THEY CAN BE
10:02:42 ACCOUNTABLE TO THE MAYOR, GREATER TAMPA BAY, AND
10:02:46 APPARENTLY IS THREATENING ALL OF COUNCIL SO EVERYBODY IS
10:02:48 AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT, TO MAKE A MOTION, TO VOTE FOR
10:02:53 EFFECTIVE CRB.
10:02:55 THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE I THINK JUNE WHEN WE FIRST
10:02:59 STARTED MEETING.
10:03:00 I WAS ON THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE.
10:03:03 IT WENT NOWHERE.
10:03:05 CITIZENS COMPLAINED.
10:03:06 THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE PRESENT SAID, OH, THAT
10:03:10 DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT'S AN ISOLATED INCIDENT.
10:03:13 I WENT THROUGH THE TPD BIAS TRAINING.
10:03:16 ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THERE THAT I SAW.
10:03:20 I SAT ON THE NAACP, POLICE CHIEF PANEL, WHERE SHERIFF
10:03:27 CHRONISTER, ALL THE POLICE CHIEFS, EXCEPT FOR TAMPA
10:03:34 INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, WERE ON THIS PANEL.
10:03:36 CHIEF DUGAN ARRIVED FOR THE FIRST MEETING, SAID
10:03:41 EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, WE DO EVERYTHING WONDERFUL, WE
10:03:43 DON'T NEED TO GET TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER CHIEFS AND THE
10:03:46 SHERIFFS TO CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HELP EQUAL
10:03:51 RIGHTS, TO HELP FIGHT DISCRIMINATION IN OUR COUNTY, AND
10:03:54 THEY NEVER SHOWED UP TO ANOTHER MEETING.
10:03:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:03:57 >> THANK YOU.
10:03:59 I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE VOTE ON THIS.
10:04:01 STOP DELAYING IT.
10:04:03 THANK YOU.
10:04:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:04:08 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:04:22 YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:04:22 >> MY NAME IS FRED ROCK.
10:04:25 I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
10:04:27 I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR APPROXIMATELY 30-PLUS YEARS.
10:04:30 I AM ALSO REPRESENTING A GROUP, COMMUNITY PATRIOTS OF
10:04:34 TAMPA.
10:04:35 AND AS I WAS DRIVING IN TO TODAY'S MEETING AND DRIVING
10:04:39 DOWN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, I NOTICED SO MANY TRAFFIC LIGHTS
10:04:44 THAT DIDN'T USED TO BE THERE.
10:04:46 BUT THE REASON THEY WERE PUT THERE WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE
10:04:49 FELT AS THOUGH THERE WAS A NEED FOR SAFETY.
10:04:53 I LOOK AT IT TODAY AND I SEE PEOPLE STILL CROSSING
10:04:58 BAYSHORE TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE AND NOT UTILIZING THE
10:05:02 RESOURCES THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR THEIR SAFETY.
10:05:06 BUT THAT REALLY DOESN'T SPEAK PER SE TO THE EXACT MEETING
10:05:10 WE ARE HAVING TODAY.
10:05:12 IT HAS TO DO WITH US BELIEVING THAT OUR MAYOR, WHO HAS
10:05:16 SERVED AS CHIEF OF POLICE, AND NOW SERVES AS MAYOR, AND
10:05:21 HER TEAM, ARE WELL ADVISED.
10:05:25 THEY HAVE HAD BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
10:05:28 THEY UNDERSTAND THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION OR SITUATION
10:05:31 FAR BETTER THAN MOST OR ANY ONE OF US HERE TODAY.
10:05:35 I'M SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF AND HOPING THAT YOU TRUST IN
10:05:40 OUR CONSTITUTION, THAT WE DON'T ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF
10:05:45 ENFORCEMENT OR LAWS THAT AREN'T REALLY NEEDED, JUST LIKE
10:05:50 SO MANY OF THOSE EXTRA LIGHTS THAT ARE NOW ON BAYSHORE
10:05:51 BOULEVARD THAT SO MANY PEOPLE AREN'T UTILIZING.
10:05:55 I THINK THE TROUBLEMAKERS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE GOING TO
10:05:58 ALWAYS BE THERE.
10:06:00 HOPEFULLY, THOUGH, THEY WILL BE REDUCED, AND OUR POLICE
10:06:05 FORCE, THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE EXTRAORDINARY YOUNG MEN
10:06:09 AND WOMEN DOING THEIR PART, AND WE NEED TO SHOW THEM
10:06:14 SUPPORT, BECAUSE IF OUR HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, IF OUR CAR
10:06:19 GETS BROKEN INTO, IF WE ARE HURT, THE FIRST PERSON WE
10:06:23 TURN TO, FIRST GROUP, ARE THE POLICE.
10:06:26 AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT MOST ALL OF THEM ARE DOING THE
10:06:30 VERY BEST THEY CAN EQUAL ACROSS RACIAL LINES.
10:06:35 THANK YOU.
10:06:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:06:41 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:06:56 YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
10:06:57 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:06:58 >> MY NAME IS MARY FERNANDEZ.
10:07:03 I TOOK A DAY OFF TO BE HERE.
10:07:05 I FEEL IT'S OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO SUPPORT THE POLICE
10:07:09 DEPARTMENT.
10:07:11 I HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY TAMPA FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
10:07:15 AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF UNREST IN OTHER PARTS OF THE
10:07:20 COUNTRY WHILE WE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
10:07:23 KEEP A VERY GOOD ORDERLY AND STABLE PROTECTION FOR THE
10:07:32 CITIZENS.
10:07:34 I'M VERY PROUD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF
10:07:35 TAMPA, AND I SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL, AND I STAND
10:07:39 WITH THE POLICE UNION.
10:07:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:07:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:07:43 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
10:07:44 >> MY NAME IS LEE SMITH.
10:08:06 I WOULD LIKE TO STAND WITH THE POLICE UNION IN SUPPORT OF
10:08:09 MAYOR CASS' PROPOSAL.
10:08:11 THANK YOU.
10:08:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:08:13 IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:08:15 IF NOT WE ARE GOING TO GO TO THIS COMMENDATION FOR ITEM
10:08:20 1, AND THEN CONTINUE ONTO THE REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
10:08:26 I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST SPEAKER IN PERSON.
10:08:29 I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK.
10:08:36 ALL RIGHT.
10:08:37 HAVING SAID THAT, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THIS IS YOUR MOTION.
10:08:39 WE HAVE A COMMENDATION TO JOSHUA FELDER.
10:08:43 I BELIEVE HE'S JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
10:08:45 CORRECT, SIR?
10:08:46 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
10:08:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE CAN BRING MR. FELDER ONLY
10:08:50 LINE, AND COUNCILMAN VIERA, IT'S ALL YOURS.
10:08:54 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:08:56 JOSH, ARE YOU THERE, BUDDY?
10:08:58 >> YES, I'M HERE.
10:08:59 >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
10:09:00 THERE YOU GO.
10:09:01 SORRY, I AM JUST FINDING MY NOTES HERE, JOSH.
10:09:05 I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE AT.
10:09:12 WELL, THAT'S FINE.
10:09:13 JOSH, GOOD TO SEE YOU, BUDDY.
10:09:15 CAN WE SEE YOU THERE?
10:09:16 >> I AM HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THE CAMERA.
10:09:27 >>LUIS VIERA: DO YOU NEED A MINUTE, BUDDY?
10:09:29 DO YOU WANT US TO COME BACK TO YOU?
10:09:31 I KNOW WE WOULD ALL LOVE TO SEE YOUR FACE, JOSH, IF YOU
10:09:34 CAN DO THAT.
10:09:35 >> YEAH, I'M WORKING ON IT.
10:09:39 I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A WHILE.
10:09:40 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
10:09:42 WELL, DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE THERE WHO CAN HELP YOU WITH THE
10:09:46 CAMERA, BUDDY?
10:09:47 >> MY MOTHER CAN HELP ME.
10:09:52 SHE'S HERE.
10:09:53 >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, JOSH.
10:09:54 HOW ABOUT THIS?
10:09:55 MR. CHAIR, CAN WE COME BACK TO JOSH?
10:09:58 AND JOSH, WITH THE PERMISSION OF OUR CHAIR, WE'LL GIVE
10:10:03 YOU FIVE MINUTES TO GET YOUR CAMERA BECAUSE I KNOW WE
10:10:06 WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU ON AND SEE YOU AND WHATNOT, AND
10:10:08 THEN COME BACK TO THIS GENTLEMAN NO COUPLE MINUTES, SIR?
10:10:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:10:12 >>LUIS VIERA: WE SHALL RETURN SO WE'LL GIVE YOU FIVE
10:10:14 MINUTES.
10:10:15 THANK YOU, BUDDY.
10:10:16 THANK YOU, SIR.
10:10:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL COME BACK AT 10:15.
10:10:20 WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS REGISTERED SPEAKERS ONLINE.
10:10:24 I BELIEVE THE FIRST NAME IS JENNIFER HART.
10:10:28 >>THE CLERK: THE FIRST PERSON IS JENNIFER HART.
10:10:37 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:10:38 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
10:10:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JENNIFER HART.
10:10:41 GO AHEAD.
10:10:41 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:10:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:10:47 GO AHEAD.
10:10:47 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:10:51 MY NAME IS JENNIFER HART.
10:10:52 I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND ALSO WITH THE
10:10:55 DEMOCRATIC -- OF TAMPA BAY.
10:10:58 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF A STRONG
10:11:01 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IN TAMPA.
10:11:03 I BELIEVE THIS IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO ENSURE REAL
10:11:07 JUSTICE IN TAMPA BAY.
10:11:13 SOME OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO CALL FOR IS A NEW
10:11:17 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, AND RECEIVE COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY
10:11:20 FROM THE PUBLIC, NOT THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:11:30 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~] AND THERE ARE MEMBERS APPOINTED BY
10:11:32 THE COUNCIL AND NAACP AND NO APPOINTMENTS FROM THE MAYOR.
10:11:36 THE YRB NEEDS SUBPOENA POWER TO INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS
10:11:43 AND AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY.
10:11:45 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:11:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP WE HAVE JEAN STROHMEYER.
10:11:49 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU
10:11:52 MAY SPEAK NOW.
10:11:58 JEAN STROHMEYER?
10:12:00 >>THE CLERK: SHE IS ON THE LINE AND IT'S UNMUTED BUT WE
10:12:08 CANNOT HEAR HER.
10:12:09 >> HELLO?
10:12:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE YOU ARE.
10:12:13 >> I GO FOR TWO SECONDS AND THEN -- I JUST LEARNED
10:12:24 SOMETHING WHILE PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING TODAY.
10:12:26 SO I HAD TO ASK YOU FOR ANOTHER 30 SECOND, PLEASE.
10:12:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
10:12:31 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
10:12:33 OH, MAN.
10:12:34 MY NAME IS JEAN ALDOSTERONE MIRE, CITIZEN OF TAMPA FOR
10:12:38 FIFTY YEARS.
10:12:39 MOST OF US HERE EXCEPT FOR MAYBE ONE COUNCILMEMBER HAS
10:12:41 NEVER BEEN A COP.
10:12:48 WE WALK OUT OF OUR HOUSE NOT KNOWING IF WE ARE GOING TO
10:12:51 WALK BACK IN THE DOOR TO SEE OUR LOVED ONES AGAIN.
10:12:53 THIS IS A WALK OUR OFFICERS TAKE ON A DAILY BASIS FOR THE
10:12:57 SAFETY OF OTHERS FOR YOU AND ME.
10:13:00 THEY CHOOSE THIS CAREER Y.ON EARTH WOULD ANYONE DO THAT?
10:13:03 IMAGINE THINKING EVERY DAY YOU GO TO WORK COULD BE YOUR
10:13:05 LAST DAY.
10:13:06 NOT YOUR LAST DAY -- LAST DAY ON EARTH.
10:13:11 FOR MOST OF US IT'S NOT A LIFE AT ALL.
10:13:13 THESE OFFICERS BE BEING SCRUTINIZED BY LIEUTENANTS,
10:13:18 CORPORALS, JUSTICE STANDARD, FDLE, CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD,
10:13:23 BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY BY WE THE PEOPLE.
10:13:26 SIGN ME UP FOR THAT JOB!
10:13:30 NO, NOT A CHANCE EVER FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN.
10:13:33 NOW BESIDE ALL THE ABOVE, SOMEONE HAD THE BRIGHT IDEA TO
10:13:36 BRING POLITICAL GROUPS INTO OUR CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT
10:13:38 FOR ANOTHER LAYER OF SCRUTINY.
10:13:40 THAT'S A BAD IDEA ON SO MANY LEVELS.
10:13:42 IF YOU BRING IN THE ACLU, YOU NEED TO BRING IN THE
10:13:47 CHRISTIAN COALITION AND OTHER GROUPS TO BALANCE THIS OUT
10:13:49 INCLUDING RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
10:13:51 I HAVE READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, AND SEE SO MANY CONCERNS
10:13:56 FOR ABUSE AND OVERREACH.
10:13:58 MULTIPLE PLACES IT SAYS TO REVIEW CASES OF INTEREST TO
10:14:02 THE COMMUNITY.
10:14:03 BUT WHICH CASE IS OF INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY WHO
10:14:06 DETERMINES WHAT CASES?
10:14:09 BECAUSE WE BRING MORE POLITICAL -- INTO THE BOX.
10:14:12 YEAH, THOSE CASES.
10:14:17 LEAKS OF CONTENT.
10:14:20 THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN HIERARCHY AND SIGN UP FOR A
10:14:23 DANGEROUS JOB.
10:14:25 SO BESIDES SCRUTINIZATION, ANYONE WITH SPECIAL INTEREST
10:14:29 CAN FILE A COMPLAINT.
10:14:33 NO SPECIAL INTERESTS POLITICAL GROUPS SHOULD BE INVOLVED
10:14:35 IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:14:36 IT TALKS ABOUT DIVERSITY WHICH IS OVERPLAYED TO THE INTH
10:14:41 DEGREE.
10:14:44 I HAVE NOT READ THE POLICE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS BUT I
10:14:48 HAVE READ THE U.S. BILL OF RIGHTS, AND THE RIGHT OF THE
10:14:52 PEOPLE TO BE SECURE IN THEIR HOUSE AND EFFECTS AGAINST
10:14:57 UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES SHOULD NOT BE
10:15:00 VIOLATED.
10:15:02 THE BOARD IS AFFIRMATION AND PARTICULARLY PERSONS OR
10:15:09 THINGS TO BE SEEN.
10:15:09 THE ENTIRE CRB THINKS THEY OVERSTEP THE RIGHTS MUCH
10:15:14 ANYONE WITH A JOB OR NOT ESPECIALLY OUR OFFICERS.
10:15:16 THEY WANT SUBPOENA POWER OF AS CITIZENS?
10:15:21 THAT'S INSANE AND A VIOLATION OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS, JUST
10:15:24 BECAUSE I MAY HAVE A RING DOORBELL, YOU WANT TO INVADE
10:15:27 OUR PRIVACY AND BRING ME INTO A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION?
10:15:30 THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES.
10:15:32 THAT IS INSANE AND VERY DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AND OVERREACH
10:15:35 OF OUR CITIZENS.
10:15:37 DON'T DO IT.
10:15:38 SO CONSIDERING THE STRONG SPECIAL INTERESTS AROUND OUR
10:15:40 COMMUNITIES IN THIS MANNER, I ASK CITY COUNCIL TO LET
10:15:43 THIS MATTER DIE, OR CAUSE THE SLOW DEATH OF OUR POLICE
10:15:48 OFFICERS.
10:15:48 THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.
10:15:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:15:51 NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS RYAN BARACK.
10:15:57 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:15:59 MY NAME IS RYAN BARACK, A CIVIL RIGHTS AND EMPLOYMENT
10:16:06 OPPORTUNITY.
10:16:06 I HAVE ALSO REPRESENTED HUNDREDS OF POLICE OFFICERS AND
10:16:09 SECURED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN BENEFITS FROM THEM.
10:16:11 I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO POINTS TODAY.
10:16:13 FIRST, THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD SHOULD HAVE AN
10:16:16 INDEPENDENT LEGAL ADVISER.
10:16:18 SECOND, THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD SHOULD HAVE SUBPOENA
10:16:21 POWER.
10:16:23 WITH RESPECT TO THE INDEPENDENT LEGAL ADVISER, AN
10:16:25 ATTORNEY THAT REPORTS TO THE BOARD IS VITAL TO ENSURE
10:16:29 THAT THEY ARE GIVING INDEPENDENT, UNBIASED LEGAL ADVICE.
10:16:33 IF YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT IS PART OF THE CITY
10:16:35 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, INEVITABLY, IT'S GOING TO BE A
10:16:37 CONFLICT THAT ARISES BETWEEN THEIR OBLIGATIONS TO THEIR
10:16:41 CLIENT, THE CITY, AND THE OBLIGATIONS TO THEIR CLIENT,
10:16:45 THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
10:16:46 THIS IS THE SAME REASON WHY A NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT OR
10:16:52 MULTI-COUNTY AGENCIES OR OTHER BOARDS ALL HAVE
10:16:55 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEYS.
10:16:56 THE REASON WHY HART HAS A BOARD WITH AN INDEPENDENT, THE
10:17:00 REASON WHY THE TAMPA BAY WATER HAS A LAWYER THAT IS
10:17:03 INDEPENDENT.
10:17:04 THERE'S NOTHING UNUSUAL OR INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT HAVING
10:17:07 INDEPENDENT ATTORNEYS ADVISE THAT BOARD.
10:17:08 IT'S NORMAL.
10:17:09 IT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
10:17:10 WITH RESPECT TO SUBPOENA POWER, ALLOWING THE BOARD TO
10:17:15 SUBPOENA WITNESSES IS IMPORTANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE
10:17:17 ABLE TO CONDUCT FAIR AND EFFICIENT INVESTIGATIONS.
10:17:21 I WOULD HAZARD A GUESS THAT THEY WOULD BE ALMOST NO NEED
10:17:24 TO ACTUALLY USE THAT POWER, BUT THE MERE EXISTENCE OF
10:17:28 THAT POWER SHOWED THAT THE CITY TAKES THE CITIZENS REVIEW
10:17:31 VERY SERIOUSLY, AND IN THE EXTRAORDINARY CASE WHERE IT IS
10:17:35 NECESSARY, IT ALLOWS FOR MECHANISMS TO DO THAT.
10:17:38 SO AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO, ONE, ALLOW
10:17:42 THE REVIEW BOARD TO HAVE INDEPENDENT LEGAL COUNSEL, LEGAL
10:17:45 ADVISER, AND ALSO TO ALLOW IT TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER.
10:17:48 I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
10:17:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:17:50 NEXT IS NINA? TATLOCK.
10:17:56 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, SHE'S ON THE LINE BUT HER AUDIO
10:18:00 ISN'T ENABLED.
10:18:00 SO WE NEED IT ENABLED FOR HER TO LOG BACK IN AND ENABLE
10:18:08 HER AUDIO.
10:18:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE DO, COUNCILMAN VIERA, CAN
10:18:12 WE GO BACK TO MR. FELDER TO SEE IF HIS CAMERA WAS WORKING
10:18:16 SO WE CAN DO THE COMMENDATION?
10:18:18 >>LUIS VIERA: ARE YOU THERE, JOSH?
10:18:23 WE'LL WAIT FOR HIM TO GET BACK, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW
10:18:26 HOW THAT WORKS.
10:18:29 I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.
10:18:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE JOSH FELDER ON THE LINE
10:18:35 FOR THE COMMENDATION?
10:18:36 IF WE DO, IF WE COULD BRING HIM ON.
10:18:43 OKAY.
10:18:43 ALL RIGHT.
10:18:44 IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL GO TO MARK RODRIGUEZ, THE NEXT
10:18:47 SPEAKER.
10:18:48 >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT.
10:18:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARK RODRIGUEZ, IF YOU ARE ON THE
10:18:55 LINE, GO AHEAD.
10:18:56 >>THE CLERK: MR. RODRIGUEZ, YOU NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:19:02 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:19:08 MY NAME IS MARC RODRIGUEZ.
10:19:09 I'M A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND I'M GOING TO
10:19:15 ECHO THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS OF OTHER CONCERNED CITIZENS IN
10:19:18 SUPPORT OF A REAL INDEPENDENT CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
10:19:25 IN MY MIND THIS IS NOT ANTI-POLICE MEASURES.
10:19:28 IT'S ABOUT BASIC CONCEPTS AND STANDARD OF ACCOUNTABILITY
10:19:32 AND TRANSPARENCY.
10:19:35 WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT INSTITUTIONS CANNOT CREDIBLY
10:19:40 INSPECTOR OVERSEE OR POLICE THEMSELVES INCLUDING THE
10:19:44 POLICE.
10:19:46 FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T THINK MANY OF US WOULD CONSIDER IT
10:19:49 VERY CREDIBLE IF 20 YEARS AGO, THE NIKE CORPORATION WOULD
10:19:56 HAVE COME TO US AND PRODUCED A REPORT SAYING THAT THE
10:19:58 WORKING CONDITIONS AND THE WAGES AND THE SWEAT SHOPS THAT
10:20:02 PRODUCE OUR SNEAKERS ARE GREAT.
10:20:06 NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE THAT.
10:20:08 I THINK YOU SITTING HERE TODAY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE
10:20:12 HAVE A CHANCE AT REAL SYSTEMIC CHANGE, BUT THIS CIVILIAN
10:20:16 REVIEW BOARD HAS TO BE INDEPENDENT, IT HAS TO BE
10:20:19 CONTROLLED BY CIVILIANS, AND INDEPENDENT FROM THE MAYOR,
10:20:22 FROM THE CITY, AND FROM THE POLICE.
10:20:25 I THINK IT'S ABOUT BASIC ACCOUNTABILITY.
10:20:27 I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN MANY
10:20:30 OTHER CITIES ACROSS FLORIDA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND
10:20:34 ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, AS THIS COUNTRY AND THIS STATE FACE
10:20:40 A MOMENT OF RECKONING ABOUT RACIAL INJUSTICE, ABOUT THE
10:20:44 HISTORY AND THE TACTICS OF POLICING IN THIS COUNTRY, I
10:20:47 THINK THIS IS REALLY A CHANCE FOR TAMPA TO STEP UP TO
10:20:53 THAT MOMENT AND IF WE WANT TO BE COSMOPOLITAN AND A
10:20:57 LEADING CITY MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THIS MEASURE IS THE
10:20:59 LEAST WE CAN DO.
10:21:00 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:21:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:21:04 NEXT ITEM.
10:21:06 PARIS GIRGINIS?
10:21:11 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:21:20 >> GOOD MORNING.
10:21:24 I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON THE NOISE LEVEL, A SUBJECT THAT I
10:21:31 AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SPOKEN ON A FEW TIMES.
10:21:35 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS THAT THE
10:21:39 REPRESENTATIVES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SAID, SPEAKERS
10:21:53 FROM THE PATIO BE MOVED.
10:21:55 TO COMPENSATE, TO INCREASE THE VOLUME OF THE SPEAKERS
10:21:59 INSIDE AND OPEN THE DOORS.
10:22:03 THE SAME NOISE LEVEL AS BEFORE.
10:22:07 WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED VOLUME,
10:22:10 NOW THE PATH IS MUCH CLEARER ACROSS THE BUILDING.
10:22:22 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
10:22:24 THE GENTLEMAN STATED THAT PARK & REC, WELL, IT'S FIVE
10:22:32 MONTHS NOW.
10:22:35 IN FACT, IT'S GOTTEN WORSE.
10:22:45 I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THIS INFORMATION BUT I KNOW
10:22:48 MY NEIGHBORS AND I HAVE BEEN CALLING AS LATE AS SATURDAY.
10:22:55 ONE AT MIDNIGHT AND ONE ABOUT TWO IN THE MORNING.
10:23:01 SO I WOULD ASK THAT SOMETHING BE DONE.
10:23:04 AND THEN I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT TO MAKE, TO HAVE THE
10:23:12 NOISE LEVEL UP TO 84 DECIBELS.
10:23:31 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
10:23:38 IT CAN BE HEARD ...
10:23:46 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:23:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:23:48 NEXT IS -- BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, DO WE HAVE
10:23:53 MR. FELDER AUDIO AND VIDEO UP FOR THE COMMENDATION?
10:23:57 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR.
10:23:59 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS.
10:24:02 I AM HAVING MY ASSISTANT BRANDON WORK ON THAT AND WILL
10:24:06 TEXT ME WHEN HE'S READY SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
10:24:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: KENTON BRADFORD IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER.
10:24:15 >>THE CLERK: BRADFORD DID NOT LOG ON.
10:24:21 WE GO TO ROZELL COFFIE.
10:24:30 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:24:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
10:24:32 YES, SIR.
10:24:33 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:24:37 EARLIER THE PBA PRESIDENT MENTIONED THAT EVEN THE POLICE
10:24:40 MAKE MISTAKES, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN ALL
10:24:43 AGREE ON.
10:24:43 MY QUESTION TO THE COUNCIL IS WHEN AN EMPLOYEE MAKES A
10:24:46 MISTAKE, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE THE EMPLOYER THAT THEY ARE
10:24:51 HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTION.
10:24:53 THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA DESERVE TO HAVE THAT POWER.
10:24:55 POLICE, POLICING THEMSELVES, IS A CLEAR ABUSE OF
10:24:58 AUTHORITY.
10:25:00 IN ITS CURRENT STATE, WHAT IS THE POINT OF CRB IF THERE'S
10:25:03 NO REAL INDEPENDENCE OR POWER?
10:25:06 AND LIKE THE NOISE COMPLAINT THE GENTLEMAN SAID EARLIER,
10:25:10 IF MAN CAN LAND ON THE MOON WHY CAN'T WE SLEEP IN PEACE?
10:25:14 THANK YOU.
10:25:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:25:16 NEXT IS JUSTIN COFFIE.
10:25:21 >> HELLO.
10:25:23 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:25:24 >> YES, WE CAN.
10:25:25 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:25:26 I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.
10:25:29 MY NAME IS JUSTIN COFFIE, A RESIDENT OF TAMPA, AND I AM
10:25:33 CALLING TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE ACLU REQUEST FOR
10:25:36 OUR CITIZENS BOARD.
10:25:37 I BELIEVE THAT IN ORDER FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD TO
10:25:40 TRULY POSSESS TEETH, THE BOARD SHOULD BE ABLE TO
10:25:43 INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS INDEPENDENTLY, HAVE THE
10:25:46 SUBPOENA -- THE ABILITY TO SUBPOENA WITNESSES, RECOMMEND
10:25:50 DISCIPLINE, AND ALSO REVIEW DISCIPLINE.
10:25:54 DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS -- AND I BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING WE
10:25:58 ALL CAN AGREE ON IS THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A TRULY
10:26:01 INDEPENDENT PROCESS IN ORDER FOR TRUE ACCOUNTABILITY TO
10:26:05 BE BROUGHT UPON US HERE IN TAMPA.
10:26:08 I THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY NEEDS TO BE COUPLED WITH
10:26:12 ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WE HAVE HAD MANY TALKS ABOUT
10:26:15 TRANSPARENCY WITH THE USE OF BODY CAMS BUT NOT ENOUGH
10:26:18 ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:26:21 CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT PROMISES MORE EQUITABLE POLICING
10:26:24 BECAUSE IT IS A PROCESS BY WHICH NONPOLICE COMMUNITY
10:26:27 MEMBERS CAN REGULARLY PROVIDE INPUT TO THE POLICE
10:26:30 DEPARTMENT OPERATION.
10:26:33 I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT I WAS A MEMBER OF THE MAYOR'S
10:26:37 TASK FORCE ON COMMUNITY POLICING, AND FROM THAT TASK
10:26:41 FORCE, THE 2001 PILLARS, THE FIRST BEING TRUST AND
10:26:46 LEGITIMACY AND THE SECOND BEING POLICY AND OVERSIGHT, I
10:26:49 THINK REALLY RELATE TO THIS DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE HAVING
10:26:52 TODAY.
10:26:53 SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE COUNCIL TO REALLY
10:26:59 HEAR OUT TODAY WHAT THE MEMBERS OF THE ACLU AND THE
10:27:01 SUPPORTERS ARE REQUESTING, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO
10:27:06 MENTION THAT HERE IN TAMPA, LIKE MANY SPEAKERS BEFORE ME
10:27:10 HAVE SAID, WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SERVE AS THE MODEL CITY
10:27:14 FOR THE REST OF THE NATION.
10:27:16 RECENTLY, I CAME ACROSS THE NEWS THAT THE CITY OF ORLANDO
10:27:19 HAS TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO FIX OUR MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS
10:27:23 INTERVENTION PROGRAM BEGINNING THIS WEEKEND, AND I AM
10:27:27 SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE HAVE A SIMILAR EFFORTS HERE IN
10:27:30 THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT IT'S BEEN TEASED FOR QUITE A LONG
10:27:36 TIME.
10:27:37 SO LET US NOT WAIT FOR A MORE EQUITABLE TIME.
10:27:40 PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRIES HAVE INCREASED TRANSPARENCY
10:27:43 AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND TAMPA IS DEFINITELY MORE CAPABLE
10:27:45 OF DOING THE SAME.
10:27:47 IT'S NOT A MATTER OF CAPABILITY BUT WILLINGNESS.
10:27:50 THESE TYPES OF CHANGES ARE LONG OVERDUE, AND I HOPE THAT
10:27:53 THE RIGHT DECISION IS MADE, WHICH IS GRANTING IS POWER
10:27:56 FOR THE CITY FOR THE REVIEW BOARD SO IT FUNCTIONS AS A
10:28:01 POWER SO WE WANTS THE REAL THING, AND I APPRECIATE THE
10:28:05 DISCUSSION.
10:28:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:28:07 BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON THE CALL-IN, WE HAVE ONE MORE
10:28:10 PERSON DOWN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IF THEY WOULD COME TO
10:28:13 THE KIOSK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON.
10:28:17 JUST TO KEEP THINGS MOVING.
10:28:29 THE SPEAKER THAT IS THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WALKED
10:28:32 IN, PLEASE COME TO THE KIOSK FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:28:42 NOW I AM BEING TOLD IT'S THREE PEOPLE TOTAL.
10:28:45 AFTER THIS, WE STOP THE IN-PERSON AND WE CONTINUE ON THE
10:28:49 PHONE.
10:28:49 PUBLIC COMMENTS STARTED AT 9:00.
10:28:51 IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK IN PERSON, PLEASE APPROACH THE
10:28:53 KIOSK.
10:29:03 IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AND YOU ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR,
10:29:05 PLEASE COME TO THE KIOSK.
10:29:15 YOU SAID THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE?
10:29:27 >> YES.
10:29:27 THEY ARE COMING UP FROM THE FIRST FLOOR.
10:29:29 JUST ONE SECOND.
10:29:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH CRAIG
10:29:35 ONLINE.
10:29:36 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:29:39 >> MY NAME IS GREG BIRCHFIELD, HERE AS A MEMBER OF TAMPA
10:29:46 AND THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA.
10:29:50 EARLIER PBA PRESIDENT DESCRIBED THE POLICE PROFESSION AS
10:29:55 THE MOST SCRUTINIZED IN AMERICA.
10:29:57 YES.
10:29:58 GOOD.
10:29:58 OKAY.
10:29:59 ANY INSTITUTION WITH THE ABILITY TO END AND DISRUPT LIFE
10:30:02 WHETHER THROUGH PHYSICAL VIOLENCE OR STRUCTURAL VIOLENCE
10:30:07 SHOULD BE SCRUTINIZED ENDLESSLY.
10:30:10 IF IT'S TOO HARD TO SERVE UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, I FOR
10:30:13 ONE AM A FAN OF DEFUNDING AND MOVING RESOURCES TO MORE
10:30:16 HUMANE RESPONSES TO CRISES.
10:30:21 THE POLICE EXISTS TO PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY.
10:30:24 WHATEVER PLATITUDES THE PBA WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT'S
10:30:27 THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED AND NO AMOUNT OF GOOD
10:30:29 INTENTIONS, AND I WON'T BE UNREASONABLE, I AM SURE THERE
10:30:32 ARE GOOD INTENTIONS.
10:30:34 NO AMOUNT OF GOOD INTENTIONS OVERRIDES THE FUNDAMENTAL
10:30:37 TRUTH, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED AN EMPOWERED CRB BOARD
10:30:40 INDEPENDENT OF THE STATE.
10:30:43 NOT ONLY DOES THE INSTITUTION OF POLICING EXIST TO
10:30:46 PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT APPARENTLY ALSO DOES EXIST
10:30:48 TO PROTECT ITSELF, TO HOLD THE SO-CALLED THIN BLUE LINE.
10:30:53 WE HEARD THE RALLYING CRIES OF BLUE LIVES MATTER.
10:30:57 THERE ARE NO BLUE LIVES.
10:30:58 IT'S A JOB.
10:30:59 BUT THERE ARE BLACK LIVES.
10:31:01 THERE ARE NO BLUE LIVES.
10:31:03 BUT THERE ARE -- THERE ARE NO BLUE LIVES, BUT THERE WAS
10:31:09 DOMINIC MILKY.
10:31:11 THIS IS WHY IT'S CRITICAL FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE GREATER
10:31:13 OVERSIGHT.
10:31:15 SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR THE REST OF US.
10:31:18 THERE ARE CRITICISMS THAT THE PROPOSAL WILL ONLY SERVE TO
10:31:21 POLITICIZE THE CRB.
10:31:23 I CALL BS.
10:31:24 POLICING IS INHERENTLY POLITICAL, AND RIGHT NOW THOSE
10:31:27 WITH POLITICAL POWER, SPECIFICALLY THE MAYOR, A FORMER
10:31:31 COP, HAS TOO MUCH POWER OVER PEOPLE TO APPOINT MEMBERS TO
10:31:34 THE BOARD.
10:31:36 I'M ASKING MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF
10:31:39 EXPANDING CRB, TO VOTE FOR A GREATER VOICE FROM PEOPLE
10:31:42 WHO ARE AFFECTED MOST BY POLICING.
10:31:44 THANK YOU.
10:31:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:31:46 OTHER PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR READY TO GO AND COME TO
10:31:50 THE KIOSK?
10:31:51 >>THE CLERK: NOT YET, CHAIR.
10:32:05 I JUST NEED ANOTHER MINUTE, PLEASE.
10:32:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GO TO SHARON GRAHAM WHO IS NEXT
10:32:10 ON OUR CALL-IN.
10:32:11 IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:32:12 GO AHEAD, SHARON GRAHAM.
10:32:14 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
10:32:18 THANK YOU.
10:32:19 MY NAME IS SHARON GRAHAM.
10:32:20 AND I AM A BUSINESS OWNER IN TAMPA, AND BUILD A TEAM
10:32:29 WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY AND ITS
10:32:32 POTENTIAL.
10:32:33 I AM HERE TO STRONGLY SUPPORT THE ACLU'S PROPOSAL, WHICH
10:32:37 INCLUDES REDUCING THE NUMBER OF MAYORAL APPOINTMENTS TO
10:32:42 THE CRB, MAKING THE CRB ATTORNEY INDEPENDENT, HAVING
10:32:49 SUBPOENA POWER FOR MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT,
10:32:54 ADDING A PROVISION THAT LET'S THE CRB INVESTIGATE A
10:32:57 MATTER FOR THE 50% CRB THAT WOULD NOT BE LIMITED ONLY TO
10:33:03 MEMBERS WHERE CERTAIN DISCIPLINES ARE INVOLVED, AND
10:33:06 LIMITING THE NUMBER OF FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT
10:33:10 PARTICIPATE IN THE CRB.
10:33:13 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ORGANIZATIONS AND THEIR
10:33:16 REPRESENTATIVES CANNOT INVESTIGATE THEMSELVES WITHOUT A
10:33:19 CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:33:21 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS INCLUDING THE MAYOR CANNOT
10:33:24 INVESTIGATE INCLUDING THROUGH PROXY APPOINTMENTS OF CRB
10:33:29 MEMBERS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CANNOT INVESTIGATE
10:33:32 THEMSELVES WITHOUT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:33:36 INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY ARE REQUIRED
10:33:40 TO UPHOLD THE PUBLIC TRUST.
10:33:42 THIS TRUST HAS BEEN ERODED THROUGH LACK OF JUSTICE AND
10:33:47 ABUSE OF POWER INCLUDING HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHICH
10:33:50 HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED BY INDEPENDENT LEGAL OBSERVERS AND
10:33:55 OTHER WITNESSES OF WHICH I AM ONE.
10:33:58 CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ARE IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE
10:34:01 ETHICAL PRINCIPLES UPON WHICH OUR CITIZENS GOVERNMENT
10:34:06 MUST OPERATE.
10:34:07 OUR GOVERNMENT TO BE US BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE MUST BE
10:34:12 ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE.
10:34:14 EARLIER TODAY, YOU HEARD THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THE MOST
10:34:19 INVESTIGATED PROFESSION AND SUCH STANDARD OF SCRUTINY.
10:34:23 I ASSURE YOU THAT INCREASED ACCOUNTABILITY IS NOT
10:34:27 SCRUTINY OR ABUSE, IT IS SIMPLY HOLDING THE SWORN TO
10:34:31 PROTECT AND SERVE TO THE SAME LEGAL STANDARDS OF
10:34:33 ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE CITIZENS ARE HELD TO.
10:34:38 YOU ALSO HEARD THAT, QUOTE, IF THESE CHANGES ARE MADE, WE
10:34:42 ARE --
10:34:43 I PROMISE THAT OUR ADVOCACY WILL NOT STOP UNTIL JUSTICE
10:34:47 IS SERVED, AND NO ONE IS ABOVE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE LAW.
10:34:52 THE PROPOSED CHANGES TODAY ARE NOT RADICAL.
10:34:56 THEY WILL SAVE THE CITY MONEY FROM SETTLEMENTS AND SERVE
10:35:00 AS A MUCH-NEEDED STEP TO BUILD THE PUBLIC TRUST.
10:35:02 I URGE YOUR SUPPORT AS AN ACLU PROPOSAL.
10:35:06 THANK YOU.
10:35:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:35:07 NEXT SPEAKER, BRIDGET MALONEY.
10:35:16 >> HI, CITY COUNCIL.
10:35:20 THANK YOU FOR YOUR MONTHS OF HARD WORK ON THIS.
10:35:30 OUR FIRST SPEAKER MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PEOPLE
10:35:33 BEING -- ACLU BEING PAID.
10:35:38 I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO DEFEND THE POLICE OFFICERS
10:35:41 AND PROTECT THEM AND I DO RESPECT THAT.
10:35:43 I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD ENCOUNTERS WITH THE TAMPA POLICE
10:35:45 DURING MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.
10:35:49 HOWEVER, I CALL IN SUPPORT THE PROPOSED CHANGES BECAUSE I
10:35:53 AM A GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, I'M 24 YEARS
10:35:57 OLD, AND I WENT TO BE A PROTEST THAT WAS PEACEFUL, AND I
10:36:01 WENT WITH MY MOM AND MY OLD ROOMMATE, AND TAMPA POLICE
10:36:08 FOLLOWED PEOPLE TO THEIR CARS, AND THEY PEPPER SPRAYED
10:36:11 THEM.
10:36:12 IT WAS THE FACT THAT THEY DID IT SO CONFIDENTLY.
10:36:15 IT WAS THE FACT THAT THEY ALMOST DID IT FOR SPORT.
10:36:18 AND THAT'S NOT EXAGGERATED, BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST ONE OF
10:36:21 MANY INSTANCES THAT WE SAW.
10:36:24 AND I WON'T TELL YOU OVER AND OVER THE MANY INSTANCES
10:36:27 WHERE I WITNESSED POLICE BRUTALITY FIRST HAND, WHERE MY
10:36:30 FRIENDS WERE SHOT WITH THESE RUBBER BULLETS.
10:36:32 WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THEY ACTED THAT DAY ON SCOTT
10:36:35 STREET WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE HELD
10:36:38 ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AND THEY WEREN'T.
10:36:40 THEY WERE RIGHT.
10:36:41 AND IT EMBOLDEN THEM.
10:36:44 WHAT YOU HEARD FROM EARLIER SPEAKERS IS THAT -- AND I
10:36:50 AGREE, YOU DO, BUT WHAT YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IS STAND
10:36:52 WITH THE PBA OR STAND WITH THE ACLU.
10:36:56 WHEN YOU SAY THINGS LIKE STAND WITH THE PBA AND WITH THE
10:36:59 MAYOR, BACK THE BLUE, THOSE UNDERTONES SHOW THEY ARE ALL
10:37:03 THE SAME.
10:37:06 WHEN MAYOR CASTOR WAS THE EX POLICE CHIEF AND NOW
10:37:08 OVERSEES CHIEF DUGAN AND NOW WANTS CONTROL OF THE CRB
10:37:16 COMPLETELY, THAT'S JUST A BLATANT CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
10:37:16 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
10:37:18 AND THE CITY'S PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT OVER
10:37:20 AND OVER AGAIN, REVIEWED BY LEGAL ENTITIES, I KNOW THAT
10:37:23 YOU ALL KNOW THAT --
10:37:28 AND WHEN I DO THINGS LIKE THE MEDIA IS AGAINST US, AND
10:37:31 THESE ACTIVIST GROUPS ARE AGAINST US, BUT I ONLY READ ONE
10:37:35 SCATHING OPINION PIECE IN "TAMPA BAY TIMES" AND IT WAS BY
10:37:38 OUR FIRST SPEAKER.
10:37:43 SO DON'T THINK OF THIS AS PBA VERSUS ACLU, AND YOU THINK
10:37:47 ABOUT THE MANY GROUPS AND MANY PEOPLE, THIS IS MY FIRST
10:37:50 TIME SPEAKING BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT MY FIRST TIME
10:37:52 LISTENING TO ALL OF YOU; YOU SAT FOR HOURS HEARING MANY
10:37:56 YOUNG COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, I
10:37:59 FOR ONE WILL NEVER CALL TAMPA POLICE, EVEN IF I AM IN
10:38:03 DANGER.
10:38:04 AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.
10:38:07 LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER, THE POLICE ARE THE FIRST ONES
10:38:09 TO CALL WHEN WE ARE IN DANGER, WHEN WE ARE HURT,
10:38:12 ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
10:38:13 AND I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY
10:38:15 WITNESSED ON SCOTT STREET BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WERE
10:38:18 TREATED, THEY WILL NOT CALL THE POLICE.
10:38:21 THAT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
10:38:23 THAT'S TERRIFYING.
10:38:25 IT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE.
10:38:26 BUT I AM WORRIED TO CALL THE POLICE OR ANYONE IS WORRIED
10:38:30 TO CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY ARE FEARFUL OF THE
10:38:33 REPERCUSSIONS AND THEY WORRY ABOUT THEIR PRIVATE
10:38:37 INFORMATION BEING LEAKED, OR REMOVED FROM OFFICE, AND IF
10:38:40 THE OFFICERS WANT ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, THEN
10:38:44 GOT RID OF THE BAD OFFICERS.
10:38:46 THEY SHOULD WANT THIS.
10:38:47 THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
10:38:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:50 >> THANK YOU.
10:38:51 THANK YOU.
10:38:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER IS DEVAN CHEAVES.
10:38:56 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, MR. FELDER IS READY.
10:38:59 SO AFTER THE NEXT SPEAKER I WOULD REQUEST --
10:39:02 >>> BEFORE WE GO TO DEVAN, BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN HAS BEEN
10:39:06 HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES, WE ARE GOING TO BRING JOSH
10:39:10 FELDER ON THE LINE.
10:39:11 GO AHEAD.
10:39:12 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:39:13 I APPRECIATE IT.
10:39:14 ARE YOU THERE, JOSH?
10:39:15 >> YES, SIR, I AM HERE.
10:39:18 >>LUIS VIERA: GREAT.
10:39:19 AND IT'S A SHAME THAT MR. FELDER CAN'T BE HERE WITH US.
10:39:23 SINCE YOU CAN'T, YOU WANTED TO SHOW FOLKS WHO ARE
10:39:25 WATCHING, I GUESS WE CAN'T REALLY SEE THIS, BUT I HAVE
10:39:28 SOME PICTURES OF YOU.
10:39:29 THIS IS OF YOUNG JOSH FEDERAL WHO IS 23 YEARS OLD, I
10:39:33 BELIEVE.
10:39:33 I MET JOSH THROUGH TAMPA BAY BEST BUDDIES, A WONDERFUL
10:39:37 ORGANIZATION.
10:39:40 FOUNDED BY THE SCHRIVER FAMILY SOME TIME AGO.
10:39:44 AND JOSH BECAME -- AND HERE HE IS WITH THIS SUPER BOWL,
10:39:50 THE FIRST PERSON WITH A DEVELOPMENTAL OR INTELLECTUAL OR
10:39:55 NEUROLOGICAL DISABILITY TO DANCE AT THE SUPER BOWL.
10:39:57 AND JOSH IS HERE FROM TAMPA.
10:39:59 THIS IS JOSH AT BEST BUDDIES EVENTS.
10:40:02 THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.
10:40:03 GOD BLESS HIM, LOOKING VERY DAPPER THERE.
10:40:06 THERE'S JOSH WITH HIS USF OUTFIT.
10:40:09 IN FACT THAT'S WHERE I MET JOSH AT USF BEST BUDDIES.
10:40:13 HERE IS JOSH AGAIN.
10:40:15 AND THEN THIS.
10:40:16 BECAUSE I DO THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE JOSH.
10:40:18 AND HERE IS JOSH WITH HIS FRIEND KELLY HOWARD WHO
10:40:21 ACTUALLY SPOKE TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL A FEW YEARS AGO, AND
10:40:26 ALSO WITH BEST BUDDIES.
10:40:28 BUT WE WANTED TO HONOR JOSH BECAUSE OF HIS WORK, AND JUST
10:40:32 REALLY BEING A LOCAL TRAILBLAZER WHEN IT COMES TO
10:40:36 SPORTING EVENTS, ET CETERA.
10:40:37 JOSH IS AN I HAD INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS MANY, MANY DANCING
10:40:41 HEROES, IN HIS LIFE INCLUDING THE LATE MICHAEL JACKSON
10:40:46 AMONG MANY OTHERS.
10:40:48 AND JOSH AUDITIONED, WAS ACCEPTED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
10:40:51 SUPER BOWL HALF TIME SHOW, AGAIN MAKING HIM THE FIRST
10:40:54 PERSON WITH SUCH A DISABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SUPER
10:40:57 BOWL, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT.
10:40:59 I THINK JOSH KEPT IT A SECRET FROM A LOT OF HIS FRIENDS,
10:41:02 BUT WHEN I READ IT, I SMILED BIG, IT MADE ME REALLY,
10:41:07 REALLY HAPPY, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH -- OVER 896 MILLION
10:41:13 PEOPLE WASHED JOSH AS WELL AS 200 OTHER TALENTED DANCERS
10:41:17 PERFORM AT THE HALF TIME SHOW.
10:41:19 JOSH IS A YOUNG MAN, 23 YEARS OLD, INTELLECTUALLY
10:41:22 DISABLED, AND HE HAS WHAT HE CALLS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY,
10:41:26 WHICH CREDITED HIM TO BECOME A GOOD DANCER.
10:41:31 HISTORY ABILITIES AS HELPED HIM BREAK DOWN BARRIERS FOR
10:41:35 THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
10:41:37 AND FOR THAT, WE HONOR JOSH WITH A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
10:41:40 COMMENDATION, AND JOSH, I WILL BE MEETING YOU, IF I MAY,
10:41:44 IN PERSON, TO GIVE YOU THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
10:41:47 COMMENDATION, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE THIS TIME WHERE
10:41:50 COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD HONOR YOU, JOSH, FOR THE WORK THAT
10:41:52 YOU DID AT THE SUPER BOWL, TO HONOR YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS
10:41:56 AND YOUR FAMILY, AND ALSO, JOSH, JUST TO LET YOUR
10:41:59 EXPERIENCE SERVE AS A MESSAGE, AND AS A PURPOSE FOR ALL
10:42:05 THE COMMUNITY.
10:42:05 THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE,
10:42:08 MYSELF INCLUDED, MY OLDEST BROTHER JUAN IS INTELLECTUALLY
10:42:12 DISABLED.
10:42:13 AND SO IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ME AND MY FAMILY.
10:42:16 SO WHEN I SEE YOU DO THAT, JOSH, I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE
10:42:21 THAT THAT BRINGS TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THE
10:42:24 MESSAGE THAT IT SEND THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE A
10:42:27 DISABILITY, WHETHER IT'S AN INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY,
10:42:30 WHETHER IT'S AUTISM, WHETHER IT'S DOWN SYNDROME, WHETHER
10:42:34 IT'S CEREBRAL PALSY, THAT YOU CAN STILL DREAM DREAMS, AND
10:42:38 YOU CAN STILL DO GREAT THINGS.
10:42:39 AND WHAT GREAT THINGS ARE IS VERY SUBJECTIVE.
10:42:43 FOR SOME PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS SIT IN A
10:42:46 MOVIE OR IN A CHURCH OR IN A RELIGIOUS SERVICE IS A GREAT
10:42:49 THING.
10:42:49 GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL MAY BE LIKE ME GRADUATING
10:42:53 FROM HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, A GREAT THING I.DIDN'T
10:42:56 GO TO HARVARD, BY THE WAY.
10:42:58 BUT THAT'S A GREAT THING.
10:43:00 EVERYBODY, THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS ARE SUBJECTIVE.
10:43:03 BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT JOSH AND WHAT HE'S DONE AND BEING
10:43:06 ACTIVE AT USF BEST BUDDIES WHERE I GOT TO MEET HIM, AND
10:43:09 DANCING AT THE SUPER BOWL, IMAGINE THAT.
10:43:11 IMAGINE JOSH GOING TO AUDITION, TO DANCE AT THE SUPER
10:43:15 BOWL, AND THEN BEING CHOSEN, AND THEN GOING ON, AND JUST
10:43:21 SURPRISING THE HECK OUT OF ALL OF US WHO KNEW HIM, WHO
10:43:26 SAW HIM UP THERE.
10:43:27 WE WANT TO PRESENT JOSH WITH A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
10:43:29 COMMENDATION WHICH I WILL BE GIVING YOU, JOSH, AT A
10:43:32 SEPARATE TIME, AND IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WISH TO
10:43:35 SPEAK, AND THEN, JOSH, YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE, AND JOCK
10:43:39 WELL LIEN CLARK WITH TAMPA BAY BEST BUDDIES WAS GOING TO
10:43:42 BE HERE BUT UNFORTUNATELY HAD A SCHEDULING CONFLICTED
10:43:46 WHEN WE RAN A LITTLE LATER BUT SHE WANTED TO BE HERE
10:43:49 REPRESENTING TAMPA BAY BEST BUDDIES WHICH IS A WONDERFUL
10:43:51 ORGANIZATION, SERVES SO MANY GROUPS LIKE SPECIAL
10:43:54 OLYMPICS, BOTH OF WHICH CAME FROM THE SHRIVER KENNEDY
10:43:58 FAMILY, BY THE WAY.
10:43:59 SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. CHAIR.
10:44:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:44:03 COUNCILMAN CITRO, I SAW YOUR HAND UP.
10:44:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
10:44:08 COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU FOR CALLING OUR ATTENTION TO
10:44:10 THE WONDERFUL THING THAT THIS YOUNG MAN HAS ACCOMPLISHED.
10:44:16 THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE, LET ALONE CHILDREN, ADULTS, THAT
10:44:19 WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BEEN SEEN BY MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
10:44:23 PEOPLE ACROSS OUR WORLD.
10:44:25 JOSH, YOUR HARD WORK, YOUR DEDICATION, AND YOUR TALENT
10:44:30 GOT YOU THAT MOMENT IN HISTORY.
10:44:34 AND I AM SO PROUD OF YOU.
10:44:35 CONGRATULATIONS, JOSH.
10:44:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:44:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES THEN COUNCILMAN
10:44:41 DINGFELDER.
10:44:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONCE AGAIN, MR. VIERA BROUGHT A YOUNG
10:44:45 PERSON TO THIS COUNCIL WHO HAS ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING
10:44:48 THAT MANY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND BE PART OF.
10:44:52 I DO KNOW ABOUT THAT, BEING AROUND YOUNG PEOPLE ALL MY
10:44:59 LIFE, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, WANT TO PLAY, AND BE ABLE
10:45:03 TO PLAY AND ALSO CHEER AS WELL, THE SPECIAL NEEDS
10:45:09 PROGRAM.
10:45:10 IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE INVOLVED
10:45:12 AND BE A PART OF.
10:45:14 GLAD TO BE A PART OF THIS COUNCIL AND PARTICIPATE AT
10:45:22 FREEDOM PARK YESTERDAY AT MACFARLANE PARK.
10:45:26 IT WAS A GREAT DAY YESTERDAY.
10:45:27 A YOUNG WOMAN BEING ABLE TO BE WITH HER FRIEND AND BEING
10:45:33 ABLE TO SHOW OTHERS THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, EVERYONE
10:45:35 WITH A DISABILITY AND THOSE WHO DO NOT, CAN PLAY
10:45:38 TOGETHER, THE SAME PLACE, A GREAT SPHERE.
10:45:41 JOSH, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.
10:45:42 THANK YOU FOR BEING A TRAILBLAZER AND SHOWING AMERICA WHO
10:45:46 YOU ARE, WHAT YOU ARE, AND CONTINUE TO STRIVE.
10:45:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:45:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HI, JOSH.
10:45:55 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
10:45:57 >> YES, SIR, I CAN HEAR YOU.
10:45:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ARE YOU DOING?
10:46:00 SO I AM DINGFELDER, AND YOU ARE JOSH FELDER.
10:46:05 AND MAYBE A LONG TIME AGO WE WERE RELATED.
10:46:09 BUT I AM SURE OUR DANCE SKILLS ARE FAR APART.
10:46:14 ON A SERIOUS NOTE, WHEN I WATCHED THAT SUPER BOWL DANCE
10:46:17 ROUTINE, I WAS LIKE SO IMPRESSED, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF
10:46:21 THE VIRTUAL SITUATION AND ALL THE PRACTICING AND
10:46:25 DIFFICULTY IN PRACTICING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WENT
10:46:27 ON.
10:46:28 THAT WAS SUCH A COOL DANCE ROUTINE.
10:46:31 AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HALF OF IT WHEN YOU GUYS WENT
10:46:34 INTO THE MIRRORED CHAMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
10:46:38 THAT WAS REALLY AWESOME.
10:46:39 BUT ANYWAY, COUNCILMAN VIERA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
10:46:42 BRINGING JOSH ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO OUR ATTENTION.
10:46:46 WE APPRECIATE THAT SO MUCH.
10:46:48 AND JOSH, WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.
10:46:50 AND WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.
10:46:52 AND I KNOW GREAT THINGS WILL COME YOUR WAY.
10:46:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:46:56 ANYBODY ELSE?
10:46:57 IF NOT I WILL WRAP IT UP.
10:46:59 JOSH, THANK YOU FOR INSPIRING SO MANY OF US.
10:47:03 CERTAINLY YOU HAVE HEARD COUNCILMEMBERS SPEAK, THE IMPACT
10:47:06 THAT YOU HAVE MADE, AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR PERFORMING
10:47:09 THERE AT THE SUPER BOWL HALF TIME SHOW.
10:47:13 I WATCHED THE SHOW AND I THOUGHT IT WAS FANTASTIC, BEING
10:47:16 A FAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE AND ENJOY HIS MUSIC.
10:47:22 I WOULD THINK HE'S LIKE IN MANY WAYS A MODERN DAY MICHAEL
10:47:25 JACKSON.
10:47:26 THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER MICHAEL JACKSON, BUT IF YOU
10:47:29 LOOK AT HIS PERFORMANCE, AND YOU WERE PART OF IT, SO THE
10:47:33 SYMBOLISM AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES BEHIND IT, THERE'S A
10:47:36 MEANING BEHIND EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES.
10:47:37 SO YOU WERE PART OF IT.
10:47:39 YOU WERE PART OF HISTORY.
10:47:40 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WATCHED YOU.
10:47:42 SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOURSELF.
10:47:43 WE ARE CERTAINLY VERY PROUD OF YOU, OF BEING PART OF THIS
10:47:46 VERY SPECIAL MOMENT RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
10:47:49 FOLLOWED BY A GREAT SUPER BOWL.
10:47:50 AND SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:47:52 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, IF MR. FELDER WANTS
10:47:56 TO SAY ANYTHING.
10:47:57 >> YES.
10:48:00 SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL OF
10:48:03 THE SUPPORT AND ALL THE GREAT COMMENTS.
10:48:12 I WILL ALWAYS ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE.
10:48:14 BUT I ALSO WANT TO -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~],
10:48:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:31 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I ALSO WANTED TO
10:48:33 HIGHLIGHT THAT I REMEMBER SEEING JOSH DURING THE 2019
10:48:37 CAMPAIGN.
10:48:37 HE WENT TO A MAYORAL FUNCTION, AND HE STOOD UP AND HE
10:48:41 ASKED ALL THE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR MAYOR, AND BACK THEN
10:48:44 I THINK THERE WERE ABOUT 380 OF THEM, BUT WHAT THEY ARE
10:48:48 GOING TO DO FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES LIKE HIM.
10:48:50 SO JOSH HAS WHAT OW JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS CALL
10:48:55 CHUTZPAH.
10:48:59 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:48:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:49:00 WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:49:01 WE HAVE DEVAN CHEAVES ON THE LINE.
10:49:06 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:49:07 >> CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME?
10:49:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.
10:49:10 GO AHEAD.
10:49:11 >> MY NAME IS DEVAN CHEAVES, AND I AM SPEAKING ON
10:49:16 BEHALF -- IN SUPPORT OF WHAT OTHER FOLKS HAVE SUPPORTED
10:49:22 IN THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AS FAR AS THE ACLU.
10:49:28 I WANT TO SAY A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE ALREADY SAID MOST OF
10:49:30 THE THINGS BUT HOW WE CAN SPECIFICALLY IMPROVE THE
10:49:36 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD BUT I WANT TO SHARE MY LIST BECAUSE
10:49:39 I HEARD SOME THINGS, AND LISTENING TO FOLKS WHO ARE
10:49:44 SAYING THAT THE POLICE UNION IS DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT,
10:49:47 THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG, I HAD SOME EXPERIENCES,
10:49:51 LITERALLY HERE IN TAMPA, A MONTH AFTER BRIANNA WAS
10:49:55 MURDERED IN HER HOME, OF NEGATIVE INTERACTION WITH THE
10:49:59 POLICE OFFICER.
10:50:00 I WILL NEVER FORGET HIS NAME OR FACE WHO WAS NOT WEARING
10:50:03 A MASK, HE WAS NOT SIX FEET AWAY, AND MIND YOU WE ARE IN
10:50:07 A PANDEMIC.
10:50:07 IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE MIND YOU I LIVE IN EAST TAMPA.
10:50:12 I SEE A LOT OF POLICE PRESENCE IN MY AREA.
10:50:15 AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT OKAY, THAT ARE NOT
10:50:18 RIGHT, THE WAY PEOPLE ARE BEING TREATED, I HAVE BEEN
10:50:24 FOLLOWED, TRAILED BY POLICE, I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
10:50:30 I HAVE LIVED IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN OVERPOLICED,
10:50:34 BY MY PARENTS, IN THE 70s.
10:50:38 I HEARD THE WHAT TO DO AND WHAT NOT TO DO FOR THAT ERA.
10:50:44 SO I JUST WANT TO NAME LIKE A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE HEARING
10:50:48 IS MAYBE IT'S ONE PERSPECTIVE BUT I THINK THIS IS ALL OF
10:50:53 OUR PERSPECTIVES THAT ARE BEING LAID OUT HERE, RIGHT,
10:50:56 BECAUSE IT IS VERY CLEAR.
10:50:58 YOU CANNOT ERASE THE EXPERIENCES OF BLACK AND BROWN
10:51:01 PEOPLE FOR GENERATIONS, RIGHT, SO -- SORRY, I'M JUST
10:51:10 VERY, VERY EMOTIONAL TOUCHED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE TO HEAR
10:51:14 THAT.
10:51:19 MAKE VERY SMALL CHANGES.
10:51:20 THESE ARE NOT RADICAL CHANGES THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE
10:51:23 CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
10:51:24 THIS IS ONLY GOING TO INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY AND
10:51:27 INCREASE -- FOR ME PERSONALLY, GENERATIONS.
10:51:33 I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK OR INPUT IT TAKES FOR US AS A
10:51:37 BLACK COMMUNITY AND BROWN PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT.
10:51:44 I WAS FOLLOWED TO THE LAUNDROMAT, TOLD ME MY TAG WAS NOT
10:51:51 COMPLIANT.
10:51:51 I KNEW THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
10:51:53 WHEN HE FOUND OUT --
10:51:57 THESE ARE INSTANCES THAT HAPPEN ALL THE TIME IN THE AREAS
10:51:59 THAT I LIVED IN, THAT ARE NOT SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THOSE
10:52:06 EAST TAMPA, RIGHT?
10:52:08 SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A TAIL OF -- TALE TWO OF CITIES
10:52:13 GOING ON HERE.
10:52:13 I AM ECHOING ALL THE SUPPORT FOR FOLKS WHO WENT BEFORE
10:52:16 ME.
10:52:17 YOU APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING AS COHERENT WITH MY THOUGHTS,
10:52:21 BUT I AM REALLY TOUCHED AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE WRONG
10:52:25 WAY.
10:52:28 ALSO JUST LISTENING TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE HERE, FIVE
10:52:31 YEARS LATER.
10:52:32 I WAS A PART OF THE GROUP THAT ORIGINALLY PUSHED FOR THIS
10:52:36 TO GET HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST
10:52:40 KIND OF --
10:52:43 SO FOR THE SAKE --
10:52:50 >>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:52:51 NEXT IS MAJ, AND WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOWNSTAIRS.
10:52:57 THAT AND WE GO INTO THE RECORDED HE IS MESSAGES WHICH
10:53:00 THERE ARE SEVEN.
10:53:01 MAJ, YOU ARE ON.
10:53:05 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
10:53:06 GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:53:13 ALL RIGHT.
10:53:14 WE WILL HOLD THAT AND GO TO NINA TATLOCK.
10:53:21 >>THE CLERK: MAJ UNMUTED HIMSELF.
10:53:25 >> I'M SORRY, GUYS.
10:53:27 THANK YOU FOR WELCOMING ME TO THE 21st CENTURY. MY
10:53:30 NAME IS MAJ VASIGH, AND SOME OF YOU KNOW ME.
10:53:32 I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ARE WE A --
10:53:44 AS BECOMES MORE POLITICALLY POLARIZED ONLINE, WE NEED TO
10:53:48 ASK OURSELVES, ARE WE A CITY WITH POLITICAL EXTREMIST?
10:53:53 IF SO
10:53:59 BY SUGGESTING THAT THE PUBLIC WILL BE INEVITABLY BIASED
10:54:02 AGAINST THEM, WHAT WE IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION CALL THE
10:54:07 THINGS SPEAK FOR ITSELF.
10:54:08 THEY EXPECT US TO RESPECT THEIR JUDGMENT UNCONDITIONALLY,
10:54:11 IF THEY HAVE ZERO RESPECT FOR THE PUBLIC.
10:54:14 THEIR OPPOSITION TO AN INDEPENDENT PUBLIC OVERSIGHT IS
10:54:17 SELF-EVIDENCE OF THEIR OWN PREJUDICE AGAINST THE PEOPLE
10:54:20 WHO THEY SERVE.
10:54:21 THE INTELLECT AND THE CHARACTER.
10:54:23 COMMUNITY LEADERS CANNOT BE MORE CLEAR.
10:54:25 CENTRAL TO THE PREMISE OF THEIR ARGUMENT AGAINST
10:54:27 INDEPENDENCE IS THAT APPARENTLY WE COPS ASSUME WHEN ALL
10:54:31 HATE COPS.
10:54:32 NO WONDER THEY TREAT US LIKE THIS.
10:54:35 IT'S LOGICALLY ABSURD.
10:54:38 ALSO PRESIDENT DANNY ALVAREZ MENTIONED POLICE OVERSIGHT
10:54:43 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
10:54:47 WHAT THEY DIDN'T MENTION WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY PROPOSED
10:54:50 ALL OF THOSE, TOO.
10:54:52 COMMON SENSE TODAY IN 2021 WHERE MOST OF THE TIME ITS
10:54:57 ANTI-COP ATTACKS.
10:54:59 I TRUST YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL MEN, AND THAT'S A
10:55:02 DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR A DIFFERENT DAY.
10:55:04 SOME OF YOU KNOW THAT I AM A DEFERENCE ATTORNEY WITH 13
10:55:06 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
10:55:07 I KNOW THANK COUNCILMAN GUDES IS A FORMER COP AND
10:55:11 DINGFELDER IS A FORMER PUBLIC DEFENDER BUT WE ALL KNOW
10:55:14 WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENE.
10:55:15 THREE OF US, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO
10:55:18 BE SOLVED AND COPS LIKE US ARE HUMAN AND THEREFORE
10:55:21 SOMETIMES FLAWED.
10:55:22 THEIR EXISTENCE TO OVERSIGHT IS BASED ON THIS HE --
10:55:28 EMOTION OF MANY PEOPLE.
10:55:30 IN 2008 I WAS UNLAWFULLY ARRESTED BY AN OFFICER AND THIS
10:55:35 CITY COUNCIL PAID ME THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR IT.
10:55:37 2015 THE CITY ATTORNEY SENT ME A LETTER THREAT KNOWING
10:55:41 SUE ME AND FILE A BAR COMPLAINT AND SHE HAD SOME OF HER
10:55:45 OFFICERS WERE OFFENDED BY MY LANGUAGE ON THE WEBSITE AND
10:55:47 THAT TPD HAS A REPUTATION FOR CIVIL RIGHTS.
10:55:52 "TAMPA BAY TIMES" PRINTED SOME CONCLUSIVE DATA SHOWING
10:55:55 THE -- WALKING WHILE BLACK.
10:56:00 AN OFFICER DRAGGED HER ACROSS THE GROUND TO THE JAIL.
10:56:10 IN 2020 THE SAME TPD OFFICER HAD A RACIAL PROBE AGAINST
10:56:17 ME ONLINE AND THEN FILED A FORMAL BAR COMPLAINT AGAINST
10:56:20 ME.
10:56:23 IT WAS MALICIOUS, THAT COST ME THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN MY
10:56:28 OWNER ATTORNEYS' FEES.
10:56:29 AND I'M A LAWYER.
10:56:30 HOW MUCH INDIGNITY MUST WE FACE?
10:56:33 SO WE THE PEOPLE MUST ASK OURSELVES AS A STATUS QUO WORK
10:56:36 FOR US.
10:56:37 NO.
10:56:38 AS A STATUS QUO WORK FOR THE POLICE UNION.
10:56:43 THE POLICE UNION ISN'T GOING TO LIKE THE CHANGES OF AN
10:56:47 INDEPENDENT CRB, BUT WE JUDGE THEM AS MUCH AS THEY
10:56:55 PREJUDGE US.
10:56:59 AND IRRESPONSIBLY MAGNIFY THAT ACCUSATION.
10:57:02 THEY ARE THE PUBLIC, TOO.
10:57:03 THEY ARE, AIR QUOTES, US.
10:57:05 WE, CITY COUNCIL, AN INDEPENDENT CRB AND FIGHT BAD COPS.
10:57:14 AND HELP THE COMMUNITY SOLVE PROBLEMS.
10:57:17 SHOW YOUR COURAGE.
10:57:20 STRENGTHEN THE CRB.
10:57:22 THANK YOU.
10:57:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:57:23 NEXT IS NINA TATLOCK.
10:57:28 THAT CONCLUDE OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS.
10:57:30 THEN WE HAVE TWO IN PERSON.
10:57:31 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
10:57:34 >> YES, WE CAN.
10:57:35 GO AHEAD.
10:57:35 >> THANK YOU.
10:57:36 MY NAME IS NINA TATLOCK.
10:57:43 I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
10:57:44 AND I WANT TO ASK THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PLEASE
10:57:51 HAVE A STRONG CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD.
10:57:53 THE MAYOR SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY APPOINTMENTS TO THIS BOARD.
10:57:58 THE BOARD NEED TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER TO INVESTIGATE
10:58:01 COMPLAINTS AND IT NEED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY,
10:58:05 SO THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
10:58:08 PLEASE VOTE YES AND SUPPORT THIS STRONG CITIZENS REVIEW
10:58:15 BOARD.
10:58:16 WHILE I AM SPEAKING, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THAT OUR
10:58:19 CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT A STRONG CITIZENS PROGRAM INSTEAD OF
10:58:25 SENDING POLICE OUT TO RESPOND TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
10:58:29 THERE ARE TOO MANY TIMES WHEN POLICE INVOLVEMENT IN
10:58:33 MENTAL HEALTH CALLS END IN DEVASTATING RESULTS.
10:58:40 THIS IS ALSO WHY WE NEED A VERY STRONG CRB.
10:58:44 PLEASE LISTEN TO THE MANY, MANY CITIZENS WHO ASK FOR
10:58:50 BETTER -- IN THESE REGARD.
10:58:55 I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
10:58:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:58:58 THAT CONCLUDES THE VIRTUAL SPEAKER REGISTRATION.
10:59:01 WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE DOWN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IF YOU ARE
10:59:04 HERE TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE APPROACH THE
10:59:06 LECTERN.
10:59:09 >> HELLO.
10:59:14 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:59:16 MY NAME IS DOROTHY ESKINIS.
10:59:19 I LIVE IN YBOR CITY.
10:59:21 I HAVE NOT EXPECTED TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT I AM GLAD TO.
10:59:29 I DON'T HAVE AN EMOTIONAL PLEA TO YOU BUT CERTAINLY
10:59:35 HEARTFELT.
10:59:37 A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF AND WHY I AM SPEAKING.
10:59:40 I AM 70 YEARS OLD.
10:59:42 AND I WAS RAISED BY THE GREATEST GENERATION RIGHT AFTER
10:59:48 WORLD WAR II.
10:59:50 THE PEOPLE THAT EDUCATED ME IN SCHOOL AND GOVERNMENT WERE
10:59:54 MOSTLY VETERANS OF WORLD WAR II, AND THAT MADE A GREAT
10:59:58 IMPACT ON MY LIFE, AS FAR AS RESPECT FOR THE
11:00:02 CONSTITUTION, AND LIVING BY THE CONSTITUTION.
11:00:07 SO I BRING TWO THINGS WITH ME.
11:00:09 I LIVE IN A VERY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY.
11:00:14 AND EXPERIENCE WITHIN POLICE HAVING A SON WHO STUDY
11:00:22 STUDIED CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND ENTERTAINED THE THOUGHT OF
11:00:25 BECOMING INVOLVED WITH POLICE.
11:00:27 NOW, AS A PERSON WHO APPRECIATES THE CONSTITUTION, AND
11:00:37 THE LAW OF THE LAND, WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
11:00:41 ON NOW, ALTHOUGH I APPRECIATE THE ACLU, I THINK THEY HAVE
11:00:45 DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS, BUT EVEN ALAN DERSHOWITZ WHO
11:00:50 WORKED WITH THEM SO MUCH AND HAS DONE SO MUCH WITH THEM
11:00:53 AND FOR THEM IS DISTANCING HIMSELF, IS GETTING INVOLVED
11:00:57 IN VERY UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTIONS SUCH AS SUBPOENA RIGHT
11:01:03 IS NOT IN OUR CITY COUNCIL'S CONSTITUTION, AND THE LAW IS
11:01:07 THE LAW.
11:01:10 NOW, LIVING IN AN JUNKED SERVED COMMUNITY, AND I HAVE
11:01:13 HEARD SOME OF THE WORDS WITH PEOPLE BEFORE ME.
11:01:18 NOW, MY FAMILY COMES FROM AN IMMIGRATION NOT TOO FAR IN
11:01:24 THE DISTANT PAST, AND AT THAT TIME, FOR MY PEOPLE, WHEN
11:01:32 THE KU KLUX KLAN BURNED A CROSS, IT WAS FOR MY PEOPLE AS
11:01:37 WELL, AND I REMEMBER MY FAMILY TALKING MANY TIMES ABOUT
11:01:40 HOW THEY USED TO PULL THE SHEETS OVER THEIR HEAD BECAUSE
11:01:43 THEY WERE AFRAID WHEN THEY SAW THE CROSS BURNING AND IT
11:01:48 WAS FOR THEM.
11:01:49 SO I AM NOT COMPLETELY CALLUSED TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE
11:01:53 SAID BECAUSE THOSE EXPERIENCES HAVE -- TOO.
11:01:58 NOW I WOULD NEVER SAY THE POLICE OR ANYBODY OR ANY GROUP
11:02:05 IS FREE FROM ERROR.
11:02:08 CERTAINLY THAT HAPPENS.
11:02:09 MISTAKES HAPPEN.
11:02:10 BAD THINGS HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
11:02:12 WRONG THINGS HAPPEN SOMETIMES.
11:02:14 BUT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE TIME, THEY ARE
11:02:19 PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING VERY, VERY HARD JOBS UNDER VERY,
11:02:22 VERY HARD SITUATIONS AND DOING THE VERY BEST THEY CAN.
11:02:27 NOW, THAT BEING SAID, I AM BEHIND THE POLICE UNION AND AS
11:02:35 A PERSON WHO COMES FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT I NOW LIVE IN,
11:02:38 I WILL SAY MY APPRECIATION HAS EVEN UPPED MORE BECAUSE I
11:02:42 HAVE HAD TO CALL A FEW TIMES FOR SOMETHING AS SMALL AS
11:02:45 NOISE DISTURBANCE LATE IN THE NIGHT, AND I AM GOING TO
11:02:50 TELL YOU, I HAVE BEEN SO IMPRESSED BY THE RESPONSE, THE
11:02:55 KINDNESS, AND JUST LIKE I SAID, IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD
11:03:00 THERE, I HAVE NOT SEEN, NOTICED OR AT ALL AN OPPRESSED
11:03:07 OVER POLICING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
11:03:10 SO I THANK THEM.
11:03:12 I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THEM AT THIS
11:03:14 POINT FOR MAKING TAMPA A VERY SECURE AND DESIRABLE PLACE
11:03:18 TO LIVE.
11:03:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:03:19 >> SO THANK YOU.
11:03:21 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:03:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:03:23 WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.
11:03:44 GO AHEAD.
11:03:44 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:03:45 >> VICKI FRANKLIN, BORN AND RAISED TAMPA, FLORIDA, GREW
11:03:51 UP WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, MY HUSBAND BORN AND
11:03:54 RAISED TAMPA, FLORIDA, WORKED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
11:03:57 I WORKED WITH THE SHERIFFS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
11:03:59 ORGANIZATION.
11:04:00 I TOTALLY RESPECT THEM.
11:04:01 WE GREW UP WHEN YOU RESPECT THE POLICE, YOU RESPECT THE
11:04:03 LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND THE KID NOWADAYS DO NOT.
11:04:08 AND YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME.
11:04:11 I WAS EMPLOYED BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL, AND THEY
11:04:15 DON'T TEACH IT ANYMORE.
11:04:17 PARENTS DON'T TEACH IT ANYMORE.
11:04:18 MY THING IS, WE DON'T NEED EXTRA GOVERNMENT.
11:04:23 WHEN STAND WITH THE MAYOR ON THE FACT THAT WE SUPPORT THE
11:04:26 POLICE UNION.
11:04:27 IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS PROPOSAL.
11:04:32 I MEAN, A LAW IS A LAW.
11:04:34 WHY DO WE NEED MORE ENFORCEMENT, MORE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED
11:04:37 WITH THE POLICE?
11:04:38 I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A DARNED GOOD JOB AND I HAVE BEEN
11:04:41 HERE 66 YEARS, AND I THINK THEY CAN HANDLE THEMSELVES.
11:04:45 THEY DON'T NEED, WHEN YOU GET OUTSIDERS IN, THAT DON'T
11:04:49 KNOW HOW THE BUSINESS IS RUN.
11:04:50 YOU ARE GOING TO GET MORE PROBLEMS THAN YOU EVER THOUGHT
11:04:54 IN YOUR LIFE.
11:04:55 I THINK THE UNION IS DOING A GREAT JOB IN HAVING A
11:04:59 SON-IN-LAW IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND A DAUGHTER IN
11:05:02 THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T NEED THIS HASSLE.
11:05:06 THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB AND DO IT CORRECTLY,
11:05:09 AND I THINK MOST OFFICERS DO.
11:05:12 YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO MAKES A
11:05:14 MISTAKE.
11:05:15 BUT I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD LEAVE THEM ALONE, LET IT GO
11:05:18 WITH THE MAYOR AND SUPPORT THE POLICE UNION 100%.
11:05:21 THANK YOU.
11:05:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:05:23 THAT CONCLUDES IN-PERSON AND ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:05:26 NOW WE HAVE SEVEN RECORDED MESSAGES.
11:05:27 >> MY NAME IS MARI FERNANDEZ, I LIVE IN TAMPA, ADDRESS IS
11:05:37 4949 MARCLISA DRIVE, APARTMENT 1301, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33624
11:05:44 AND I AM CALLING TO OBJECT TO THE FORMATION OF A CITIZENS
11:05:50 REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE.
11:05:53 I FIND IT TO BE COMPLETELY APPALLING, AND ACTUALLY IT IS
11:05:58 UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
11:06:00 THE RESEARCH THAT I HAVE DONE, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH,
11:06:05 COMPELS ME TO STATE THAT IN 2017 THE FLORIDA SUPREME
11:06:13 COURT RULED THAT SUCH A BOARD CAN'T COMPEL OFFICERS TO
11:06:21 APPEAR WHILE UNDER INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE IT VIOLATES THE
11:06:22 OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.
11:06:27 SO IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
11:06:29 IT MAKES NO SENSE.
11:06:31 AND IT WOULD PLACE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NOT ON THE
11:06:39 BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE, WE THE PEOPLE, BUT ON BEHALF OF
11:06:42 SPECIAL INTERESTS AND SPECIAL AGENDA GROUPS, THAT IN
11:06:47 REALITY HAVE SPECIFIC MOTIVES, INCLUDING DEFUNDING THE
11:06:55 POLICE FOR THEIR SPECIFIC FORMATION.
11:07:03 SO PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU DO NOT CREATE AN UNNECESSARY
11:07:09 AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL CITIZENS BOARD UNDER ANY KIND OF
11:07:15 GUISE OR ANY KIND OF GROUP, SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP, AS
11:07:22 THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BUT IT'S A DISSERVICE TO THE
11:07:25 CITIZENS OF THIS STATE.
11:07:29 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING
11:07:33 AND FOR INVESTIGATING THIS ISSUE AT LENGTH LIKE YOU HAVE
11:07:37 DONE.
11:07:38 AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS IS PLACED
11:07:44 FIRST AND FOREMOST AND NOT ANY OUTSIDERS WITH SPECIAL
11:07:47 AGENDA THAT WANT TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE STATE.
11:07:52 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:07:53 AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND
11:07:59 PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO RESEARCH THIS RULING BY THE
11:08:07 SUPREME COURT IN 2017, AND THIS WOULD BE AN
11:08:18 UNCONSTITUTIONAL CITIZENS BOARD.
11:08:21 THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE
11:08:25 DOING.
11:08:25 I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
11:08:26 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:08:30 THIS IS NORMA RENO. I'M CALLING BECAUSE I WANT TO PLEASE
11:08:37 ASK YOU TO VOTE NO FOR THE CREATION OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL
11:08:42 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, WHICH IS GOING TO BE LED BUILT
11:08:48 ACLU.
11:08:49 PLEASE VOTE NO.
11:08:50 THIS IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL AND IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN.
11:08:53 THANK YOU.
11:08:53 >> MY NAME IS ROSE MARIE GARCIA GETTING AND I LIVE AT
11:08:58 4107 WEST DALE AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA 33609, AND I AM
11:09:03 CALLING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE CHANGES BEING PROPOSED
11:09:06 BY SIDEWALK STOMPERS AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA, THE
11:09:11 NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE CONSISTENT SIDEWALKS, AND WITH
11:09:14 TWO SMALL CHILDREN, THIS IS REALLY A DANGER FOR US AS WE
11:09:18 ARE TRYING TO GET AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVING TO WALK
11:09:20 ON THE STREETS IN MANY PORTIONS, AND THE SPEED LIMIT
11:09:24 BEING 25 MILES PER HOUR, CARS ARE GOING BY US AT A VERY
11:09:28 FAST PACE, AND IT REALLY SADDENS ME THAT WE CAN'T ENJOY
11:09:32 THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER IN A SAFE MANNER, AND THERE ARE NO
11:09:36 PARKS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF MY HOME EITHER.
11:09:39 SO WE WOULD LIKE TO BE SEE A SAFE BIKING DISTANCE DUE TO
11:09:45 THE SIDEWALK ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE
11:09:48 SIDEWALK STOMPERS AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA PROPOSAL.
11:09:51 THANK YOU.
11:09:52 >> HELLO.
11:09:56 I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE FERNANDEZ FAMILY.
11:09:58 WE LIVE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, AND WE ARE AGAINST THE
11:10:05 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD FOR THE POLICE.
11:10:08 THAT IS TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
11:10:12 AND NO GROUP OF CITIZENS SELECTED BY ANY ORGANIZATION OR
11:10:16 BY ANYONE SHOULD BE MEDDLING WITH GOVERNMENT OF WE THE
11:10:21 PEOPLE.
11:10:21 WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE SEPARATION OF POWER FOR THE
11:10:24 PROTECTION OF ITS CITIZENS.
11:10:26 WE DO NOT NEED A SELECT GROUP OF CITIZENS REVIEWING
11:10:30 GOVERNMENT.
11:10:31 IT'S TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
11:10:36 DO NOT APPROVE IT.
11:10:39 BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW THAT WOULD BE
11:10:44 IMMEDIATELY APPEALED.
11:10:45 >> THIS IS STEVEN PEREZ.
11:10:50 I LIVE AT 6449 SOUTH 12th STREET, TOWERS OF
11:10:55 CHANNELSIDE.
11:10:56 I HAVE HAD THE MISFORTUNE OF LIVING DIRECTLY ABOVE PARK &
11:10:59 REC FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN OPEN.
11:11:01 I LIVED HERE FOR FIVE YEARS, THE NOISE IS PARTICULARLY
11:11:04 BAD EVERY WEEKEND BEGINNING ON THURSDAY AND GOING THROUGH
11:11:07 SUNDAY EVENING.
11:11:09 IT STARTS AROUND 5 OR 6 P.M. WITH THUMPING OF BASS.
11:11:15 A DJ SHOT THROUGH THEIR AMPLIFIED SOUND SYSTEM, THIS WOKE
11:11:19 ME AT 12:30 A.M. ON SUNDAY MORNING AND CONTINUED FOR
11:11:24 QUITE SOME TIME.
11:11:25 I DID EVENTUALLY CALL THE TAMPA POLICE NONEMERGENCY LINE
11:11:28 TO FILE A COMPLAINT.
11:11:30 IN THE PAST, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH SIMILAR DISTURBANCES
11:11:33 FROM ASIA AND -- LIVES.
11:11:38 BOTH THESE ESTABLISHMENTS CLOSED AND THE HOPE WAS THE
11:11:40 REPLACEMENTS WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL
11:11:43 AREA.
11:11:44 I HAVE TAKEN MANY ACTIONS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON MY HOME
11:11:50 AS I HAVE INSTALLED NOISE CANCELING DEVICES AND LEFT THE
11:11:53 TV ON TO SLEEP.
11:11:55 THIS IS NOT AN IDEAL WAY TO LIVE.
11:11:57 I REALIZE THAT SOME OF US CONSIDER THIS AREA AN
11:12:00 ENTERTAINMENT AREA.
11:12:01 WE HAVE SPARKMAN'S WHARF AND STARSHIP THAT BOTH HAVE
11:12:05 MUSIC.
11:12:07 SPARKMAN'S TYPICALLY CLOSES AROUND 11 P.M. ON FRIDAYS AND
11:12:11 SATURDAYS.
11:12:12 SINCE PARK & REC IS OPEN TILL 3 P.M., IT HAS MORE CROWDS
11:12:16 THAN THE PARK & REC.
11:12:17 THE STARSHIP STOPS PLAYING MUSIC.
11:12:21 AND I ASK COUNCIL PUT MEASURES IN PLACE THAT ARE
11:12:24 REASONABLE AND SHOWS THE ABILITY FOR CHANNELSIDE FOR
11:12:29 RESIDENTS AND HOME OWNERS TO LIVE IN PEACE.
11:12:32 I WOULD ASK FOR THE OUR BUILDING MANAGEMENT TO HAVE PARK
11:12:37 & REC ABIDE BY THE SAME RULING AS 200 PLUS RESIDENTS IN
11:12:42 OUR TWO BUILDINGS.
11:12:43 THE BUILDING MANAGEMENT CAN ADDRESS NOISE GENERATED BY
11:12:46 ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS EXCEPT PARK & REC.
11:12:52 MY ONLY RELIEF IS TO GO AWAY FOR A WEEKEND.
11:12:55 THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND STARTING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE
11:12:58 IMPACT ON MY HOUSE.
11:12:59 AND I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE TO TAKE
11:13:01 CARE OF IT.
11:13:02 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:13:03 >> THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE COUNCILMEN AND COUNCILWOMEN OF
11:13:15 THE CITY OF TAMPA REGARDING THE ISSUE OF CREATION OF A
11:13:20 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:13:25 AFTER EXTENSIVE RESEARCH, I LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:13:29 AND I WOULD LIKE TO OPPOSE THE CREATION OF THE CITIZENS
11:13:36 BOARD DUE TO ITS UNCONSTITUTIONALITY, AND TO THE MANY
11:13:44 CONFLICTS THAT IT PRESENTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
11:13:47 TO THE CITIZENS LOCALLY THAT IT SERVES.
11:13:52 AS A CREATION OF ANOTHER REVIEW BOARD, IT'S NOT ONLY
11:14:01 QUESTIONABLE AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL, BUT IT ACTUALLY
11:14:09 DEFIES -- THE INTEREST OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ITS
11:14:19 OWN ESTABLISHED CHAIN OF COMMAND AND EMPLOYEE REVIEW
11:14:29 DEPARTMENT TO DO ANOTHER OUTSIDE GROUP IT'S ONLY GOING TO
11:14:40 PRESENT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND THIS PARTICULAR GROUP
11:14:47 WITH A PARTICULAR AGENDA WILL NOT SERVE THE BENEFIT OF
11:14:54 THE LOCAL CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE STATE OF
11:14:57 FLORIDA.
11:15:00 THE CREATION OF SUCH A BOARD IN ADDITION BYPASSES
11:15:05 LEGISLATION THAT FURTHER THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, AND IT
11:15:08 IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
11:15:11 IN ADDITION TO VIOLATING THE BILL OF RIGHTS OF THE POLICE
11:15:16 OFFICERS THEMSELVES.
11:15:19 SO THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS IN THE CREATION
11:15:25 OF SUCH CITIZENS BOARD, NUMEROUS PROBLEMS, AND I
11:15:32 ENCOURAGE YOU AS MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO
11:15:35 EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND LOOK AT THE UNCONSTITUTIONALITY OF
11:15:42 THIS IDEA AND THE CATASTROPHE THAT IT WILL HAVE IN THE
11:15:53 LOCAL COMMUNITY.
11:15:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR THE WORK YOU
11:15:58 GUYS ARE DOING.
11:15:59 IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED.
11:16:01 AND PLEASE SAY NO TO THE CREATION OF A SPECIAL INTEREST
11:16:07 AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL ...
11:16:11 >> MY NAME IS ARMANDO JONEZ AND I LIVE AT 9728 NORTH
11:16:19 ARMENIA AVENUE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
11:16:24 THE REASON FOR THIS MESSAGE IS I AM AGAINST AND NOT IN
11:16:29 FAVOR OF ANY OTHER OVERSIGHT OVER THE POLICE OTHER THAN
11:16:34 THE ONE THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE.
11:16:35 THEREFORE, I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL TO REJECT THE IDEA OF
11:16:41 TRYING TO SET UP ANOTHER OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
11:16:47 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:16:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THOSE ARE ALL THE RECORDED COMMENTS?
11:17:03 I BELIEVE THEY ARE.
11:17:05 OKAY.
11:17:06 ALL RIGHT.
11:17:07 THAT CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:17:08 BEFORE WE CONTINUE, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE A FIVE-MINUTE
11:17:10 RECESS?
11:17:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY --
11:17:15 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
11:17:16 I WOULD LOVE ONE, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS AFT GOT
11:17:20 STRUCK DOWN.
11:17:21 SO I WILL BE MAKING SOME MOTIONS ON IT.
11:17:26 4 TO 1.
11:17:27 $300 MILLION GONE FOR THE YEAR.
11:17:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU CAN FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE
11:17:36 PUBLIC, AFT?
11:17:37 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.
11:17:40 PENNY SALES TAX PASSED IN NOVEMBER OF 2018 BY ALMOST 60%
11:17:43 OF VOTERS WAS STRUCK DOWN BY THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT 4
11:17:46 TO 1.
11:17:47 SO MS. ZELMAN, IT LOOKS LIKE OUR ISSUE IS MOOT, ISN'T IT?
11:17:51 UNFORTUNATELY.
11:17:53 BUT I WILL BE MAKING SOME MOTIONS ON IT BECAUSE WE HAVE
11:17:57 GOT TO GET THAT TAX BACK IN 2022.
11:18:01 THAT'S TERRIBLE.
11:18:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITHOUT A DOUBT.
11:18:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:18:05 FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
11:18:06 [RECESS]
11:18:07
11:18:08 (ROLL CALL)
11:29:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD.
11:29:17 I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE PRESENTING FROM THE LEGAL
11:29:19 DEPARTMENT.
11:29:19 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE.
11:29:24 >>GINA GRIMES: CITY ATTORNEY.
11:29:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:29:26 BEFORE YOU BEGIN, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK FOR YOUR
11:29:29 PRESENTATION?
11:29:33 >>GINA GRIMES: WE CAN FINISH OUR PRESENTATION IN ABOUT 15
11:29:35 MINUTES.
11:29:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:29:36 MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION, AND AFTER
11:29:42 THE PRESENTATION IS COMPLETED THAT COUNCIL BREAKS FOR
11:29:45 LUNCH, WE COME BACK, DEPENDING ON THE TIME, 1:00 OR 1:15,
11:29:52 AND WE COME BACK, YOU KNOW, WITH CLEAR HEAD AND WE
11:29:56 CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION THERE, AND MOVE ON.
11:29:59 IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL?
11:30:01 YES, SIR?
11:30:04 >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION.
11:30:05 I KNOW FOLKS HAVE GOT TO EAT, ET CETERA.
11:30:07 BUT JUST THE SOONER THE BETTER.
11:30:10 I HAVE GOT SOME ISSUES COMING UP AROUND 3.
11:30:13 IT MAY NOT RUN TILL 3 BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
11:30:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:30:17 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. CHAIRMAN, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF
11:30:20 QUESTIONS, WE MAY BE ABLE TO WRAP IT ALL UP, YOU KNOW.
11:30:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S PLAY IT BY EAR BUT WE'LL LOOK
11:30:28 AT BREAKING FOR LUNCH.
11:30:30 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
11:30:30 >>GINA GRIMES: SO CAN I HAVE THE PowerPoint BROUGHT
11:30:34 UP?
11:30:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:30:36 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:30:37 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD JUST FOR A SECOND.
11:30:39 THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT THIS AND I WANT TO
11:30:43 SET THE STRAIGHT AND YOU CAN WEIGH IN.
11:30:45 THIS IS NOT A NEW COMMITTEE.
11:30:47 IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE ABOUT 2016.
11:30:51 THE WAY IT WAS CREATED WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL WAS NOT
11:30:57 SATISFACTORY TO THE PUBLIC, AND SO AS WE HAVE BEEN TRYING
11:31:02 TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, WE
11:31:07 HAVE IN PARTICULAR LOOKED AT THIS, I THINK COUNCILMAN
11:31:10 GUDES BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP.
11:31:12 THIS DISCUSSION I THINK IS THE THIRD DISCUSSION WE HAVE
11:31:15 HAD ON THIS.
11:31:16 AND IT STARTED WITH US HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING
11:31:20 IT AND THEN THE MAYOR CAME UP WITH HER PROPOSAL, THE
11:31:22 MAYOR THEN GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO LISTEN TO MORE INPUT FROM
11:31:25 THE PUBLIC AND FROM US, AND WE EDITED IT AGAIN, AND THIS
11:31:29 IS THE THIRD ROUND WHERE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR HAVE BOTH
11:31:32 BEEN LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC.
11:31:33 THERE'S A NOT A MAYOR'S PROPOSAL AND COUNCIL PROPOSAL,
11:31:36 IT'S ALSO NOT A NEW COMMITTEE.
11:31:38 IF IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED
11:31:41 IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
11:31:43 SO THIS IS A CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR AND WE HAVE BEEN
11:31:47 HAVING WITH THE PUBLIC, AND IN THE LAST ROUND, I THINK I
11:31:49 WAS THE ONE THAT DELAYED THE LAST DISCUSSION, BUT ACLU,
11:31:54 PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND PBA WERE BOTH UNHAPPY BUT
11:31:58 PEOPLE STOOD UP AND SAID FOR THE MORT PAST THEY ARE
11:32:02 HAPPY.
11:32:03 THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS BUT THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THESE
11:32:05 CONVERSATIONS IS SO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL COULD WORK
11:32:07 TOGETHER TO GET SOMETHING THAT WAS BETTER FOR THE
11:32:09 COMMUNITY.
11:32:10 AND AGAIN IT'S JUST EDITING SOMETHING THAT ALREADY
11:32:13 EXISTS.
11:32:13 THANK YOU.
11:32:18 >>GINA GRIMES: CAN I HAVE THE FOURTH BROUGHT UP?
11:32:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
11:32:21 BRING UP THE PowerPoint.
11:32:23 AND BEGIN.
11:32:23 >>GINA GRIMES: NEXT SLIDE.
11:32:29 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
11:32:39 AS YOU CAN SEE THE LAST TIME THIS AGENDA ITEM, THE CRB,
11:32:43 REVISIONS WERE DISCUSSED WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER.
11:32:47 AND IN NOVEMBER, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE WE
11:32:52 HAD PUBLIC COMMENT BUT IT WAS CONTINUED TO MAKE SOME
11:32:55 MODIFICATIONS.
11:32:56 BUT THE LAST CONTINUE MOTION THAT YOU MADE WAS BACK IN
11:33:01 SEPTEMBER.
11:33:01 AND IN IS SEPTEMBER WHAT YOU ASKED WAS THAT THE COMMENTS
11:33:07 FROM THE PBA, ACLU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ALL BE
11:33:12 CONSIDERED, AND FOR A NEW DRAFT TO BE DEVELOPED.
11:33:16 AND WE DID THAT AND WE SUBMITTED IT PRIOR TO THE NOVEMBER
11:33:22 19th PUBLIC HEARING.
11:33:23 ON NOVEMBER 19th, AND DISCUSSIONS, INDIVIDUAL
11:33:26 DISCUSSION WAS VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS, SONG ADDITIONAL
11:33:29 REVISIONS WERE REQUESTED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES AND
11:33:32 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, AND SO THOSE REVISIONS WERE ALSO
11:33:37 MADE, AND THEY ARE CONTAINED IN THE CURRENT DRAFT THAT
11:33:40 YOU ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
11:33:43 AND SO IF YOU TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE RED LINE THAT WAS
11:33:47 INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE OF MATERIAL, YOU WILL QUICKLY
11:33:51 SEE THAT ALL OF THESE CHANGES AMOUNT TO A REWRITE OF THE
11:34:00 CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD ORDINANCE.
11:34:02 WE HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
11:34:05 AND ALSO, WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS FROM THE DRAFT
11:34:10 THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN 2015.
11:34:13 AND TODAY IN LISTENING TO ALL THE SPEAKERS, IT'S
11:34:17 UNFORTUNATE THAT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM FOCUSED
11:34:21 ON WHAT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IS IN
11:34:26 THE ORDINANCE, AND TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE
11:34:30 HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE SUBSTANCE OF THESE CHANGES.
11:34:36 THIS WILL BE NOW THE FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING.
11:34:39 WE HAVE PROBABLY SPENT MORE THAN CLOSE TO 30 HOURS IN
11:34:43 DISCUSSIONS, AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE OFFLINE
11:34:46 DISCUSSIONS THAT ALL OF YOU HAD WITH US, AND WITH THE
11:34:49 ACLU, AND WITH THE PBA, AND THAT WE ALL HAD WITH EACH
11:34:54 OTHER.
11:34:54 AND IN MY VIEW, THE CITY AND EVERYONE INVOLVED INCLUDING
11:34:59 THE PBA AND THE ACLU SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED FOR HOW FAR
11:35:05 WE HAVE MOVED THE NEEDLE FROM THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE
11:35:09 CURRENTLY EXISTS AS IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2015.
11:35:15 AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS A VERY
11:35:18 BALANCED PROPOSAL.
11:35:20 IT'S NOT BIASED TOWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NOT BIASED
11:35:25 AGAINST LAW ENFORCEMENT.
11:35:27 IT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EXISTING CODE, AND THE
11:35:31 REASON WHY IS IT SUBSTANTIALLY EXPANDS THE POWERS OF THE
11:35:36 CRB.
11:35:38 THERE WERE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, NOT ONE
11:35:41 SINGLE SPEAKER EVEN MENTIONED, AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE
11:35:44 A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
11:35:46 AND ONE OF THOSE CHANGES IS A CHANGE THAT WAS BY
11:35:50 COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND THAT IS WITH THE HIRING PROCESS AT
11:35:53 TPD.
11:35:55 CHIEF DUGAN WHO IS HERE THIS MORNING PRESENTED THE
11:35:58 CONCEPT OF CREATING AN INTERVIEW PANEL FOR THE POLICE
11:36:03 DEPARTMENT, AND HE AGREED THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO
11:36:10 ALLOW ONE OF THE CRB MEMBERS TO ROTATE IN AND OFF THAT
11:36:13 PANEL.
11:36:14 AND WITH THAT CHANGE, COUNCILMAN GUDES, ALSO PRESSED FOR
11:36:18 ADDITIONAL CHANGES DEALING WITH THE DIVERSITY OF THE
11:36:21 HIRING PANEL AS WELL AS THE DIVERSITY OF THE DEPARTMENT.
11:36:24 SO THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, AND WILL
11:36:31 HAVE A TREMENDOUS EFFECT ON THE CULTURE AT THE POLICE
11:36:35 DEPARTMENT.
11:36:36 AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WAS MADE, AND
11:36:38 ACTUALLY ONE THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THE MAYOR, AND THAT'S
11:36:42 A COMPLAINT TRACKING PROCESS SO THAT GOING FORWARD, EVERY
11:36:47 COMPLAINT, EVERY COMPLAINT THAT COMES IN TO TPD, AND THE
11:36:52 MONITORING TRACKS BY THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD, WILL GET
11:36:57 A REPORT ON THE INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS.
11:36:59 SO TWO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
11:37:01 THOSE TWO CHANGES HAPPEN TO BE CHANGES THAT NOT ONE OTHER
11:37:06 CRB IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS IN THEIR
11:37:09 ORDINANCE.
11:37:09 SO WE ARE VERY PROGRESSIVE AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED,
11:37:14 AND AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE
11:37:17 MADE.
11:37:18 AND WITH THAT I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF
11:37:20 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY URSULA RICHARDSON WHO HAS WORKED
11:37:24 WITH US THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, AND SHE IS GOING
11:37:28 TO GO UP THROUGH THOSE CHANGES WITH YOU, AND THEN I WILL
11:37:34 WRAP UP BY DISCUSSING IMPLEMENTATION.
11:37:45 >> URSULA RICAHRDSON: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
11:37:46 >> GOOD MORNING.
11:37:48 GO AHEAD.
11:37:48 >> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN
11:37:50 OUR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
11:37:52 THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD LOOKS AT -- PLEASE GO TO THE
11:37:59 NEXT SLIDE.
11:38:01 YES.
11:38:02 AND SO ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THE PowerPoint THAT
11:38:04 TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE EXISTING DUTIES OF THE CRB ARE, AND
11:38:08 THEN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT IS
11:38:11 BEFORE YOU TODAY.
11:38:14 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IS BEFORE,
11:38:17 WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IS THAT THEY REVIEW CLOSED TPD
11:38:23 INVESTIGATIONS THAT ONLY DEAL WITH USE OF FORCE, AND IN
11:38:26 THOSE REVIEWS, THOSE REVIEWS ARE OUR CASES THAT WHERE
11:38:30 DISCIPLINE WAS IMPOSED AND DISCIPLINE WAS NOT IMPOSED.
11:38:34 THAT PORTION OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS NOT CHANGING IN
11:38:36 THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE, THAT SECTION OF THE
11:38:41 CURRENT ORDINANCE IS NOW CAN BE FOUND AT C-5 AND G-5 IN
11:38:46 THE DRAFT PROPOSAL.
11:38:48 BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CHANGES AND SOME OF
11:38:50 THE ONES THAT MS. GRIMES JUST MENTIONED.
11:38:54 NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE EXPANDS EXPONENTIALLY
11:39:00 THE TYPE OF CASES THAT THE CRB WILL REVIEW.
11:39:03 AGAIN CURRENTLY THEY ONLY LOOK AT USE OF FORCE CASES.
11:39:06 BUT UNDER THE CURRENT OR THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD
11:39:10 BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ANY NUMBER OF CASES, AND THAT WOULD
11:39:13 INCLUDE ALLEGATIONS OF SOMEONE TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE,
11:39:17 ANYONE WHO IS ACCUSED OF TURNING OFF THE BODY WORN
11:39:21 CAMERAS, SEARCH AND SEIZURES ISSUES, WHETHER OR NOT
11:39:24 THERE'S ANY SEXUAL HARASSMENT, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION,
11:39:28 FALSIFYING TIME, WELFARE FRAUD, OR EVEN STEALING EVIDENCE
11:39:33 FROM THE PROPERTY ROOM.
11:39:34 THOSE ARE ALL THE KIND OF THINGS THAT IF AN OFFICER HAS
11:39:36 BEEN SUSPENDED, DEMOTED OR TERMINATED, THOSE ARE THE KIND
11:39:40 OF CASES THAT THE CRB WOULD REVIEW.
11:39:43 AS MS. GRIMES MENTIONED, THE CRB WE NOW HAVE THE
11:39:48 OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HIRING PROCESS AND
11:39:50 LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT
11:39:53 ALSO GIVE THE COMMUNITY AN EYE INTO OR TRANSPARENCY ABOUT
11:39:58 HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, WHERE THEY CAN INFORM THE
11:40:02 COMMUNITY.
11:40:02 THE COMPLAINT TRACKING SYSTEM IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S
11:40:05 BEING PROPOSED, AND AGAIN IT GIVES THAT OPPORTUNITY, I
11:40:08 KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN SAID TODAY, THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE OF
11:40:13 MAYBE THINGS FALL INTO THE CRACKS OR CASES NOT BEING
11:40:16 ADEQUATELY INVESTIGATED.
11:40:19 BUT FROM THE TIME THAT A COMPLAINT WOULD COME IN, OF
11:40:21 COURSE, WITH THE CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION REDACTED, THE
11:40:26 CRB WILL HAVE A WINDOW, AND CRB MEANING THE PUBLIC WILL
11:40:30 HAVE A WINDOW INTO EVERY COMPLAINT THAT COMES INTO THE
11:40:32 CITY, AND TO SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR THOSE
11:40:34 INVESTIGATIONS TO BE FINALIZED, AND THEN ALSO WHAT THE
11:40:38 END RESULT IS OF THOSE PARTICULAR INVESTIGATIONS.
11:40:42 AND THERE IS NOT ANOTHER CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD OR POLICE
11:40:45 OVERSIGHT BOARD IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS THE
11:40:48 OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT WINDOW INTO WHAT THE POLICE
11:40:51 DEPARTMENT IS DOING.
11:40:54 ALSO, AS A PART OF THESE NEW CHANGES, THE CRB WILL BE
11:40:58 ABLE TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS DIRECTLY FROM THE CITIZENS, OF
11:41:02 COURSE IN LINE WITH THE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS, WE WOULD
11:41:05 PUT SAFEGUARD IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER CONFIDENTIAL
11:41:08 INFORMATION WILL BE PROTECTED, BUT IT WILL STILL HAVE THE
11:41:12 OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AS WELL, AND ALSO CREATING A CRB
11:41:18 WEBSITE SO THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO
11:41:20 KNOW ABOUT THE CRB, HAVE INFORMATION, IN A WAY THAT
11:41:25 BASICALLY BRINGS THE CRB TO THE FOREFRONT.
11:41:32 ONE OF THE CHANGES NOT IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IFS THERE
11:41:34 IS GOING TO BE ANY CHANGE TO THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES
11:41:37 WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE
11:41:40 CRB WOULD GET NOTIFICATION OF THAT INFORMATION, AND NOT
11:41:43 JUST BE TOLD THAT IT'S HAPPENING, BUT ALSO AN EXPLANATION
11:41:47 TO THE CRB WHICH MEANS AN EXPLANATION TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT
11:41:51 WHY SOMETHING IN THE USE OF FORCE POLICY WOULD BE
11:41:52 CHANGING.
11:41:53 AGAIN, WE FOCUS ON THE USE OF FORCE IN THIS ORDINANCE,
11:41:57 SIMPLY BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CRB'S COMMUNITY
11:42:00 SURVEY THAT THEY DID IN 2018, THE USE OF FORCE ISSUES ARE
11:42:04 ONE OF THE TOP FIVE ISSUES THAT THE PUBLIC WAS FOCUSED ON
11:42:09 OR FELT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE CRB TO FOCUS ON.
11:42:14 WE HAVE ALSO BUILT MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INTO THE
11:42:17 CURRENT DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE, AND BY DIAGNOSE THAT, THE
11:42:22 CRB WOULD ACTUALLY GO INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MEET AT
11:42:25 LOCATIONS THAT WILL ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND
11:42:28 THOSE MEETINGS, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT WE BUILT IN A
11:42:31 REQUIREMENT THAT THE CRB DO A COMMUNITY SURVEY EVERY TWO
11:42:35 YEARS SO THAT AGAIN THE PUBLIC IS ALWAYS GIVING
11:42:37 INFORMATION TO THE CRB SO THAT THE CRB KNOWS HOW TO FOCUS
11:42:42 THEIR ATTENTION AND THEIR BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE
11:42:45 CARRYING OUT THE PUBLIC'S MISSION.
11:42:48 WE HAVE BUILT IN AT THE REQUEST OF SEVERAL PEOPLE THE
11:42:52 FACT THAT THE LEGAL COUNCIL FOR THE CRB NO LONGER BE THE
11:42:58 TPD LEGAL ADVISER AND THAT WILL BE A NEUTRAL ASSISTANT
11:43:01 CITY ATTORNEY WHO IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE POLICE
11:43:04 DEPARTMENT, DOES NOT WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND
11:43:07 SO THAT PERSON WILL HAVE SOME NEUTRALITY, BUT ON TOP OF
11:43:13 THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT IS
11:43:17 A CONFLICT THAT THE PUBLIC HAS MENTION DAD OR AT LEAST
11:43:19 THE SPEAKERS AND COMMENTERS HAVE MENTIONED, IF A CONFLICT
11:43:22 WERE TO ARRIVE AND THE CRB CEASE A CONFLICT, THERE IS AN
11:43:29 OPPORTUNITY FOR A PRIVATE LAWYER TO BE RETAINED BY THE
11:43:31 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PER THE CHARTER TO RESOLVE
11:43:33 WHATEVER THAT CONFLICT OR ISSUE IS AND GIVE IT ADVICE TO
11:43:39 CRB.
11:43:39 AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I THINK IS BUILT INTO
11:43:42 THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE IS LIVE ANNUAL REPORTS TO THE CITY
11:43:45 COUNCIL WHICH MEANS LIVE ANNUAL REPORTS TO THE PUBLIC
11:43:50 ABOUT WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD
11:43:53 OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.
11:43:54 IT WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO LEARN WHAT
11:43:57 THE CRB HAS ACCOMPLISHED IN A YEAR, WHAT KIND OF
11:44:01 RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, WHAT KIND OF CHANGES HAVE
11:44:03 BEEN IMPLEMENTED BASED ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND BEST
11:44:06 OF ALL, IT WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT
11:44:09 THE ORDINANCE BE MODIFIED OR TWEAKED IN A WAY THAT IT
11:44:13 WILL MEET THE MISSION OF WHAT THIS BOARD'S INTENDED
11:44:17 PURPOSE IS.
11:44:19 ULTIMATELY, I AM GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SPOKE UP
11:44:23 BECAUSE I KEPT HEARING PEOPLE SAY IT'S THE MAYOR'S
11:44:25 PROPOSAL, OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPOSAL, BY THE FACT IS,
11:44:28 THAT WE HAVE SPENT MANY HOURS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH A
11:44:32 LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS, INCLUDING THE COUNCIL,
11:44:36 INCLUDING THE MAYOR, INCLUDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE
11:44:40 PBA, ACLU, THE MEMBERS OF THE CURRENT CRB THEMSELVES, ALL
11:44:45 OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO
11:44:48 BASICALLY CRAFT A PRODUCT OR AN ORDINANCE THAT IS THE
11:44:52 BEST FIT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
11:44:53 SO THE MISSION WAS NOT TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL
11:44:57 WORK FOR MINNEAPOLIS, THE MISSION WAS NOT TO MAKE IT
11:45:00 SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR MIAMI, AND 9 WHATS NOT A
11:45:02 MISSION TO MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR FERGUSON,
11:45:05 BUT TO WORK FOR WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
11:45:10 AND AS MS. GRIMES SAID, IN DOING THAT, WE HAVE IN FACT
11:45:15 PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE IS BALANCED TO ALL OF
11:45:20 THOSE INTERESTS.
11:45:20 AND THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ADDITIONAL CHANGES
11:45:23 THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE CURRENT CRB ORDINANCE.
11:45:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:45:32 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:45:34 DOES THAT CONCLUDE OR DO YOU HAVE MORE?
11:45:37 >>GINA GRIMES: ONE MORE SLIDE.
11:45:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
11:45:39 >>GINA GRIMES: NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
11:45:41 AND SO WHAT WE ARE -- I'M SORRY, ONE MORE SLIDE PAST THAT
11:45:48 ONE.
11:45:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
11:45:51 >>GINA GRIMES: WHERE WE ARE NOW IS HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD
11:45:53 FROM HERE?
11:45:56 THERE ARE SOME NEXT STEPS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO
11:45:58 DISCUSS WITH YOU.
11:46:00 THE REVISE CRB ORDINANCE IS GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO
11:46:03 IMPLEMENT, AND WE ARE PROPOSING AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF
11:46:09 APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
11:46:11 WE WILL ALSO HAVE TO DEVELOP A SCHEDULE FOR APPOINTMENT
11:46:14 OF THE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO THE CRB.
11:46:19 THOSE WILL BE COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.
11:46:21 WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, IDENTIFY
11:46:24 THEIR LOCATIONS.
11:46:25 ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS
11:46:28 DEVELOPING THE TRAINING CURRICULUM FOR THE FIRST YEAR
11:46:31 WITH THE CRB MEMBERS WILL NEED TO BE EDUCATED AS TO THE
11:46:34 HIRING PROCESS, TPD DISCIPLINE PROCESS, AND ANY NEW
11:46:39 STANDARD SEPARATE OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT MIGHT BE
11:46:42 PROPOSED AND HOW OUR SOPs ARE DRAFTED AND DEVELOPED AND
11:46:47 REVIEWED AND MONITORED.
11:46:50 ANOTHER CHANGE WITH THE INTERVIEW PANEL, THAT WILL HAVE
11:46:55 TO BE ESTABLISHED, AND THEN THE CRB THEMSELVES WILL HAVE
11:46:58 TO AGREE UPON SOME SORT OF ROTATION SYSTEM SO THAT EACH
11:47:01 OF THEM GETS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
11:47:05 ANOTHER ITEM THAT WILL TAKE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME
11:47:09 TO IMPLEMENT IS THE ESTABLISHING THE MONTHLY COMPLAINT
11:47:12 REPORTING AND TRACKING SYSTEM.
11:47:15 THAT WILL HAVE TO BE INTERNAL TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
11:47:17 I WILL HAVE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM ON ESTABLISHING
11:47:21 THAT REPORTING SYSTEM.
11:47:23 AND THEN ALSO THERE'S THE INTAKE OF THE COMPLAINTS FILED
11:47:26 DIRECTLY WITH THE CRB.
11:47:28 WE'LL HAVE TO ENSURE THAT ANY COMPLAINTS THAT ARE FILED
11:47:30 WITH THEM ARE IMMEDIATELY TRANSFERRED TO TPD SO THAT THEY
11:47:34 CAN WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
11:47:37 AND THE LAST ITEM IS CREATING THE CRB WEBSITE TO MAKE THE
11:47:42 CRB MORE TRANSPARENT, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CRB
11:47:47 AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND PUBLISHING LINKS AND
11:47:50 VARIOUS DIFFERENT PLACES SO IT'S EASY TO FIND.
11:47:54 SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY AND
11:47:59 DUTIES THAT WE ARE PLACING ON THE CRB, BECAUSE OF THAT
11:48:04 THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
11:48:09 AS YOU KNOW, THESE ARE VOLUNTEERS WHO WORK ALL DAY AND
11:48:13 COME TO MEETINGS THAT START AT 6:00 AT NIGHT, AND THEY
11:48:16 HAVE TO GO TO WORK THE NEXT DAY, AND LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS
11:48:19 THEMSELVES KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE LATE NIGHT MEETINGS,
11:48:22 IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE EACH MATTER THE
11:48:27 ATTENTION THAT IT DESERVES.
11:48:29 SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL IN CONSIDERING
11:48:34 THESE CHANGES BEING CONSIDERED, THE RESPONSIBILITIES THEY
11:48:37 ARE PLACING ON THIS LAY BOARD AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT
11:48:42 THEY ARE EXPECTING THIS LAY BOARD TO DO.
11:48:43 I THINK WHAT WE PROPOSED SO FAR IS SIGNIFICANT, AND WHAT
11:48:48 WE ARE SUGGESTING IS GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPLEMENT
11:48:52 THESE CHANGES.
11:48:55 AS MS. RICHARDSON MENTIONED EVERY YEAR WE WILL HAVE
11:49:01 BASICALLY AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE CRB AS THEY ARE
11:49:03 REQUIRED TO APPEAR IN PERSON AND PRESENT THEIR ANNUAL
11:49:07 REPORT.
11:49:08 SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF YOU FIND ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES
11:49:14 ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PROPOSED, IF
11:49:16 WE FIND ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES ARE NECESSARY, YOU WILL
11:49:19 HAVE A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY ONCE A YEAR TO HEAR ABOUT
11:49:23 ANY CONCERNS, AND TO MAKE ANY NECESSARY CHANGES IF
11:49:28 APPROPRIATE.
11:49:29 SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLOSE BY SAYING AT THIS STAGE,
11:49:33 GIVEN THE BREADTH OF CHANGES AND THE EXTENT OF TRAINING
11:49:38 THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED, WE ARE REQUESTING AND
11:49:41 RECOMMENDING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CURRENT
11:49:44 DRAFT, AND THAT IT BE SCHEDULED FOR FIRST READING AND
11:49:51 DISCUSSING IT WITH MR. SHELBY, AND SCHEDULED FOR FIRST
11:49:56 READING IN COUNCIL IS SO INCLINED WOULD BE MARCH
11:49:59 18th, AND SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR YOUR
11:50:03 SUPPORT AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FIRST READING ON THE
11:50:08 18th OF MARCH.
11:50:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
11:50:13 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:50:15 DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP?
11:50:16 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:50:24 LET'S BREAK NOW FOR LUNCH, COME BACK AT 1:00.
11:50:27 AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE QUESTIONS AND GO FROM THERE.
11:50:30 ALL RIGHT.
11:50:31 WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:00.
11:50:34 (CITY COUNCIL RECESS)
11:59:21
01:01:59 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
01:02:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
01:02:03 WORKSHOP.
01:02:04 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
01:02:05 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
01:02:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
01:02:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:02:15 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:02:20 >>THE CLERK: A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:02:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
01:02:24 BUT DID YOU GET COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER PRESENT?
01:02:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE GOT HIM RIGHT HERE ON THE
01:02:30 SCREEN.
01:02:31 AND HE WAS ON THE SCREEN BEFORE WE HIT THE GAVEL.
01:02:33 SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE CRB.
01:02:38 THE PRESENTATION WAS COMPLETED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
01:02:41 COUNCIL MEMBERS, I KNOW YOU HAD QUESTIONS.
01:02:45 CARLSON, GUDES, VIERA.
01:02:47 GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:02:49 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:02:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
01:02:56 I WAS THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS MOTION REFERENCE CRB.
01:03:00 AND SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, THOSE WHO ARE FOR, THOSE WHO ARE
01:03:05 AGAINST.
01:03:06 I LOOK AT SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THE POLICE
01:03:10 DEPARTMENT IS RUN, OVERPOLICE, CONSTITUTION, AND WHEN I
01:03:13 LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS,
01:03:16 I LOOK AT MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND I WOULD ASK EVERYONE,
01:03:21 DO YOU TRUST WHAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I KNOW FROM MY
01:03:23 EXPERIENCE AND MY EXPERTISE.
01:03:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD SAY YES, 26 YEARS OF
01:03:29 SERVICE, CORRECT, SIR?
01:03:30 FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
01:03:32 >> I SAY YES AND WE GIVE YOU GREAT DEFERENCE.
01:03:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ON THAT NOTE BEING TELL YOU HOW THINGS
01:03:40 TRULY ARE, AND THE PUBLIC THEREFORE CAN UNDERSTAND, THAT
01:03:46 THE POLICE ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT BUSINESS.
01:03:49 AND I AM MR. VIERA HAS AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT HE HAS
01:03:55 CHAMPIONED OR NOT CHAMPIONED.
01:03:58 I AM GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE RENDITION OF THE POLICE
01:04:00 DEPARTMENT SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.
01:04:02 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A PARAMILITARY ORGANIZATION.
01:04:07 POLICE OFFICERS FOLLOW ORDERS.
01:04:10 WHETHER THEY LIKE THE ORDERS THAT HAVE BEEN HANDED DOWN
01:04:12 OR NOT, THEY DO A JOB, WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.
01:04:17 HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ORDERS BY SEVERAL POLICE CHIEFS, AND
01:04:20 COMMANDERS THAT I DIDN'T LIKE, AND I EXPRESSED MY
01:04:22 OPINION.
01:04:25 BUT COUNCIL THIS ISN'T ABOUT COUNCILMAN GUDES LIKES THE
01:04:29 POLICE DEPARTMENT, SOMETIMES DOESN'T LIKE POLICIES THAT
01:04:33 ARE IMPLEMENTED.
01:04:35 I HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE POLICIES.
01:04:37 WHETHER I LIKE THEM OR NOT.
01:04:40 WHEN I LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM THE DAY I
01:04:43 STARTED, I LOVED IT WHEN I FIRST STARTED.
01:04:47 BUT THEN I STARTED TO SEE A SIDE SOMETIMES THAT WAS NOT
01:04:49 PLEASANT AT TIMES.
01:04:52 WHEN I FINISHED -- A GOOD FRIEND, GOOD HEART, AND THEY
01:05:00 WERE FIGHTING FOR THE TRUTH.
01:05:01 THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE PAID TO DO.
01:05:04 UNION PRESIDENT TO FIGHT FOR ISSUES.
01:05:08 BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE OTHER TRUTHS WHO SOMETIMES FEEL
01:05:13 THAT THEY GO ON DEAF EARS.
01:05:17 I SERVED TAKES COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR FOR THE ASSOCIATION
01:05:19 OF BLACK LAW ENFORCEMENT.
01:05:20 WE HAD THAT ASSOCIATION BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE FELT THAT
01:05:24 THERE WERE DIFFERENT BIASES AT TIMES.
01:05:30 I WOULD BE CALLED OUT, TOLD BY ATTORNEY GRIMES OF SOME OF
01:05:35 THE CONCERNS AND SOME OFFICERS TOLD ME ABOUT POLICY, WE
01:05:38 DISCUSSED THOSE THINGS.
01:05:40 BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD
01:05:43 POLICE OFFICERS.
01:05:44 A LOT.
01:05:46 THAT UNDERSTAND, BORN AND RAISED IN MARGINAL COMMUNITIES,
01:05:51 AND GET IT, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS WHO DON'T
01:05:54 UNDERSTAND, WHO ARE AROUND BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE, AND
01:06:00 THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND.
01:06:01 THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
01:06:04 POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A LOT OF BIASES.
01:06:07 I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN AROUND IT.
01:06:13 THAT'S WHY I BECAME A COUNCILMAN.
01:06:14 I ALWAYS SAID, IF I EVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SIT
01:06:17 BEFORE THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PEOPLE.
01:06:21 I HAVE A JOB TO DO DEALING WITH THE CITY POLICE
01:06:24 DEPARTMENT, BUT I REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AS A WHOLE.
01:06:29 LIKE I SAID, POLICE OFFICERS FOLLOW ORDERS.
01:06:31 THEY DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD TO DO.
01:06:37 YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU AND I WERE CAMPAIGNING, WE HAD A
01:06:41 DEBATE AT A CHURCH.
01:06:44 YOU REMEMBER THAT, SIR?
01:06:47 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, COUNCILMAN, I REMEMBER THAT
01:06:50 WELL.
01:06:50 THAT'S ONE IN TEMPLE TERRACE.
01:06:52 AND I REMEMBER THAT WELL.
01:06:53 LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
01:06:54 I REMEMBER THAT.
01:06:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLICE, TO BLACK
01:07:05 COMMUNITIES, GOOD CITIZENS, AFRICAN AMERICANS, THEY WANT
01:07:12 SAFETY IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
01:07:13 THEY WANT TO -- HANGING OUT ON STREET CORNERS.
01:07:23 THEY RESPECT THE POLICE.
01:07:24 BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY FEEL SOMETIMES THAT THEIR
01:07:28 BIASES WITH THE POLICE IN DEALING WITH CERTAIN SITUATIONS
01:07:31 BECAUSE OF THE CULTURE, HONESTLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
01:07:35 CULTURE.
01:07:36 THAT'S WHERE THE BIASES COME IN.
01:07:44 TALK ABOUT HOW A PERSON IS TREATED, AND I SAY, WHAT
01:07:51 HAPPENS WHEN YOU BECOME A POLICE OFFICER?
01:07:55 YOU COME FROM A DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, AND YOU HAVE NEVER
01:07:58 BEEN IN A LOW INCOME COMMUNITY, MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY,
01:08:01 DIFFERENT CULTURES OF COMMUNITIES, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
01:08:06 AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE WAY OFFICERS TREAT A PERSON OR A
01:08:09 SHOOTING AND SO FORTH.
01:08:10 I TALKED ABOUT FEAR.
01:08:16 FEAR.
01:08:24 A SHOOTING.
01:08:25 I WANT TO COME HOME AT NIGHT.
01:08:28 THE OFFICERS WANTS TO COME HOME AT NIGHT.
01:08:31 WHEN THINGS HAPPEN, IT'S HOW YOU CHALLENGE YOUR FEAR.
01:08:33 A LOT OF TIMES IF YOU NEVER WERE AROUND BLACK
01:08:37 COMMUNITIES, BROWN PEOPLE, THERE'S A FEAR LEVEL
01:08:40 SOMETIMES.
01:08:41 PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT BUT THERE IS.
01:08:44 FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN.
01:08:52 THE PERSON FROM USF WAS TALKING ABOUT ISSUES, AND KEPT
01:08:56 TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY.
01:08:59 IT STARTS INSIDE THE HOUSE.
01:09:04 CULTURE CHANGE.
01:09:05 I CAN GET ALL THESE POLICIES THAT MS. GRIMES IS TRYING TO
01:09:09 DO AND TRY TO GET IN MY COMMUNITY AND FROM THE ACLU AND
01:09:15 JUSTICE COMMITTEE, ALL THESE THINGS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN
01:09:17 A THING IF YOU CAN'T FEEL SAFE IN THE HOUSE AND MAKE SURE
01:09:23 THAT THE HOUSE UNDERSTANDS CULTURE AND PEOPLE AND HOW TO
01:09:27 DEAL WITH CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, CULTURE.
01:09:30 I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THAT.
01:09:32 FEAR.
01:09:34 I GET A GUY RIDING MY CAR THE FIRST TIME, HE'S GOING TO
01:09:39 RIDE WITH YOU, GUDES.
01:09:41 NO PROBLEM.
01:09:41 WE DON'T GO TO THE FANCY RESTAURANTS.
01:09:44 I'M NOT DRIVING TO THAT PLACE BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE OVER
01:09:47 THERE.
01:09:52 WHY CAN'T WE GO OVER TO THE NICE RESTAURANT?
01:09:54 BECAUSE WE WORK HERE.
01:09:55 WE ARE NOT DRIVING WAY OVER THERE.
01:09:57 YOU UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE WHERE YOU WORK AT.
01:10:00 WHERE YOU WORK AT.
01:10:03 SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE, THERE'S SOME GOOD
01:10:06 THINGS IN IT.
01:10:07 I APPLAUD THE MAYOR, BECAUSE SHE'S NO TOUGH POSITION
01:10:10 RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH THE COMMUNITY,
01:10:12 SHE'S GOT TO DEAL WITH THE UNION, CALL THE BIG BAD UNION.
01:10:17 THE UNION CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH.
01:10:21 THE UNION HAS A JOB TO DO.
01:10:24 AND ONCE CERTAIN RULES ARE MADE, THEY ARE MADE.
01:10:28 I DON'T CARE WHAT THE UNION DOES.
01:10:32 IT IS WHAT IT IS.
01:10:33 BUT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE PROCESS.
01:10:35 AND I RESPECT THE PROCESS.
01:10:37 BUT I WANT THE MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE CHIEF, THOSE
01:10:46 TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN THERE, I KNOW
01:10:48 THE CULTURE, I UNDERSTAND THE POLICE CULTURE, I
01:10:52 UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT BIASES, I UNDERSTAND THE GOOD
01:10:58 OL' BOY SYSTEM.
01:10:59 AND WE HAVE TO ROOT OUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS INTERNALLY.
01:11:03 EVEN BEFORE WE GO OUTSIDE, BECAUSE IF I DON'T HAVE THAT
01:11:07 PHILOSOPHY INSIDE, WE GO OUTSIDE, AND WHAT GOOD IS IT TO
01:11:11 ME?
01:11:12 NONE.
01:11:13 I CAN TALK ABOUT THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITIES, TRY
01:11:15 TO FIX THAT, BUT THE INSIDE INTERNAL ISSUES, THAT'S
01:11:20 WHAT'S GOING TO REALLY MAKE THIS WORK.
01:11:25 IF WE IMPLEMENT ANY OF THIS TODAY, WE HAVE STILL GOT TO
01:11:28 FIX THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
01:11:31 YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD ASK THE COMMUNITIES,
01:11:42 POLICE CHIEF, MAYOR, IF THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IT, LOOK AT THE
01:11:45 MOVIE "AMERICAN SKIN."
01:11:50 LOOK AT THE MOVIE "AMERICAN SKIN."
01:11:55 AND IT PORTRAYS CULTURE, PORTRAYS BIAS, IT PORTRAYS FEAR.
01:12:03 FEAR.
01:12:07 AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE OUR FEARS WHEN WE ARE
01:12:10 DEALING WITH COMMUNITY.
01:12:15 DIFFERENT CULTURES.
01:12:17 I MIGHT HAVE MADE A MISTAKE YEARS AGO BUT I DIDN'T KNOW
01:12:20 WHAT I SAID WAS A BAD THING BECAUSE I HAD ALWAYS BEEN
01:12:24 TRAINED IN MY COMMUNITY, THAT WAS NORMAL TO SAY.
01:12:30 IF YOU FELT SOMEBODY WAS GETTING OVER ON YOU, IT'S A
01:12:33 CULTURAL THING TO SAY, NOT KNOWING THAT I WAS OFFENDING
01:12:38 MY OWN FRIEND BUT LUCKY HE'S A GOOD FRIEND WHO CAME TO MY
01:12:43 DEFENSE BECAUSE HE KNEW I DIDN'T KNOW, AND UNDERSTAND.
01:12:49 IT TOOK UNDERSTANDING OF CULTURE, UNDERSTANDING OF
01:12:52 COMMUNITIES, TO HAVE BETTER POLICING.
01:12:55 IT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY
01:12:58 POLICING.
01:12:59 BECAUSE WHILE I WAS A YOUNG GUY, WORKING AT MR.
01:13:03 SUBMARINE, IN HILLSBOROUGH, AND I SEE OFFICER DESMORE
01:13:13 COME THROUGH AND GET A STEAK SANDWICH AND I TALKED TO HIM
01:13:18 ABOUT POLICING AND HE ENCOURAGED ME TO COME ON THE FORCE,
01:13:21 YOU WOULD BE A GREAT GUY TO BE THERE.
01:13:23 OR I SEE JOHN BENNETT WORKING AT PORT DIXIE IN
01:13:28 HILLSBOROUGH, AERIAL LEWIS, ALL COME THROUGH THE HIRING
01:13:35 PROCESS, UNDERSTANDING WHERE ONE'S FEAR IS, UNDERSTANDING
01:13:40 WHERE ONE'S HEART IS.
01:13:41 AND ASKED THOSE TOUGH QUESTIONS, HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND
01:13:46 CERTAIN CULTURES, CERTAIN PEOPLE?
01:13:49 ASKING THOSE BIAS QUESTIONS.
01:13:54 HAVING ALL THOSE OFFICERS AT THE TABLE AT THE INTERVIEW
01:13:57 PROCESS, BECAUSE WHAT QUESTIONS A WHITE PERSON MAY ASK, A
01:14:00 BLACK PERSON NEVER HEARD THAT TERMINOLOGY BEFORE.
01:14:06 IT CAN AMOUNT TO HIM OR HER BEING EMPLOYED BECAUSE THEY
01:14:09 DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WORD MEANS.
01:14:13 BEING ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT MARIJUANA, BECAUSE MY
01:14:18 BROTHER MIGHT HAVE DONE SOMETHING BAD DIDN'T MEAN THAT I
01:14:20 DID IT, DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DO IT.
01:14:22 I WAS TEN YEARS OLD, 20 YEARS OLD, I SAW MY 20-YEAR-OLD
01:14:27 BROTHER DO IT.
01:14:27 AM I A BAD GUY BECAUSE MY BROTHER DID IT?
01:14:35 BIAS.
01:14:36 UNDERSTANDING CULTURE.
01:14:40 THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE DRIVEN.
01:14:43 AND EVERYTHING WE DO IN THIS CITY, WE TALK ABOUT
01:14:45 CONTRACTS.
01:14:46 WE TALK ABOUT ANYTHING WE DO.
01:14:51 FEAR, EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION FOR EVERYONE.
01:14:56 I HEAR THE CONSTITUTION.
01:14:58 THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN IT.
01:15:10 SOME SAY BLACK LIVES MATTER.
01:15:11 I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY
01:15:13 ARE TALKING ABOUT.
01:15:15 I DON'T AGREE WITH LOOTING OR BURNING BUSINESSES.
01:15:21 I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
01:15:23 IF MY BUSINESS WOULD HAVE BEEN BURNED I WOULD BE
01:15:25 DEVASTATED.
01:15:26 BUT I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
01:15:27 BUT ONE THING I CAN SAY ABOUT BLACK LIVES MATTER, THEY
01:15:32 NEVER TRIED TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT OR HURT ANYBODY.
01:15:36 THEY NEVER DID THAT.
01:15:38 THEY MIGHT HAVE SHOWED THEIR FRUSTRATION.
01:15:43 BUT YOU TALK ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION.
01:15:45 YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE STORMING THE CAPITOL AND HURTING
01:15:48 PEOPLE?
01:15:55 IT'S ALL IN THE HEARTS OF PEOPLE.
01:15:57 AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN.
01:16:00 IF YOU NEVER HAVE A BELIEF SYSTEM OR UNDERSTANDING OTHER
01:16:03 PEOPLE, YOU CAN'T BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH.
01:16:09 IT'S NOT ABOUT -- IT'S NOT ABOUT TAKE THE RIGHTS OF THE
01:16:14 POLICE AWAY.
01:16:15 I LOVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
01:16:17 I THINK SOMETIMES WE DON'T DO THE RIGHT THING SOMETIMES,
01:16:21 AND WE MADE A MISTAKE.
01:16:24 THAT'S ALL RIGHT, WE CORRECT OUR MISTAKES SO THE PUBLIC
01:16:26 UNDERSTANDS THAT.
01:16:27 WE ARE GOING TO DO BETTER.
01:16:30 BUT YOU CAN'T DO BETTER UNLESS YOU HAVE THE TRAINING AND
01:16:34 SKILLS.
01:16:34 AND TALKING ABOUT THE SHOOTING.
01:16:36 I ASKED THE POLICE CHIEF, AND I MENTIONED IT TO THE STATE
01:16:42 ATTORNEY, WHY SHOT SO MANY TIMES?
01:16:46 SHOT SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE OF FEAR.
01:16:51 IT'S FEAR.
01:16:53 WE ARE TRAINED A CERTAIN WAY.
01:16:55 WE ARE TRAINED TO WHERE -- I LOOK AT THE COVER.
01:17:01 I'M FIRING, BOOM, BOOM, TWO SHOTS.
01:17:03 I'M STOPPING.
01:17:04 I'M LOOKING TO SEE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM AGAIN.
01:17:06 AND JUST SHOOTING ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE BECAUSE IN MY
01:17:15 HEART I HAVE BEEN AROUND SHOOTINGS BEFORE.
01:17:17 I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE KILLED AS A YOUNG BOY IN MY OWN FAITH
01:17:22 SO MY FEAR IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
01:17:24 WHEN I WALK UP TO A GUY OVER SOMEBODY WHO IS TALKING LOUD
01:17:30 OR STANDS UP, HE ISN'T GOING TO HURT YOU.
01:17:33 HE'S EXPRESSING HIMSELF.
01:17:34 BUT YOU HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT NO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND
01:17:37 HOW TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE.
01:17:41 I HAVE BEEN COACHING KIDS FOR A LONG TIME, UNDERSTAND
01:17:44 THEIR HOMES, UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY GO THROUGH.
01:17:46 I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF YOUNG KIDS ARE TAKING CARE OF THEIR
01:17:50 SELVES.
01:17:50 PEOPLE ON DRUGS OR ALCOHOL.
01:17:54 TALK ABOUT THE PERFECT PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
01:17:59 PERFECT PROGRAM IS.
01:17:59 WE HAVE TO FIND ONE.
01:18:01 I DON'T KNOW -- IF WE DON'T TRY SOMETHING, WE CONTINUE TO
01:18:12 FAIL.
01:18:13 I AGREE THAT SOMETIME WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH MENTAL
01:18:18 HEALTH.
01:18:18 I KNOW.
01:18:19 I HAVE BEEN IN SELF INSTANCES WHERE I HAD GUYS 21 FEET.
01:18:23 DO I SHOOT HIM OR DO I SIT THERE AND TALK TO HIM TO TRY
01:18:27 TO CALM HIM DOWN?
01:18:28 HE'S 21 FEET AWAY.
01:18:33 FEAR.
01:18:35 FEAR.
01:18:36 I SAY IT ALL THE TIME.
01:18:38 YOU REMEMBER IT.
01:18:40 DEBATE ABOUT FEAR.
01:18:43 I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE.
01:18:46 FEAR.
01:18:47 ABSOLUTELY.
01:18:49 I'M GOING TO SHOOT BACK.
01:18:51 I AM GOING TO GO HOME AT NIGHT, BE BLACK, GREEN, WHITE,
01:18:55 WHOEVER YOU ARE.
01:18:57 IF I HAVE TO PUT YOU DOWN I'LL PUT YOU DOWN AND I'LL
01:19:00 EXPLAIN IT LATER BUT I AM NOT GOING TO LET FEAR OVERTAKE
01:19:03 ME AND DO CRAZY THINGS.
01:19:05 I HAVE BEEN WITH OFFICERS --
01:19:10 I SAY STOP.
01:19:12 THAT'S ENOUGH.
01:19:16 ONE CHARGE WITH CAN MEAN ONE THING.
01:19:20 WHY?
01:19:20 SAME OUTCOME.
01:19:24 THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
01:19:26 BUT THERE ARE GOOD POLICE OFFICERS, GIVE BACK AND HAVE
01:19:31 DINNERS AND GIVE TO THE HOMELESS, BRING CLOTHES FROM
01:19:36 HOME, AND GIVE MONEY TO THOSE WHO NEED IT, PULL IT OUT OF
01:19:39 THEIR POCKET, CHRISTMAS GIFTS.
01:19:42 A LOT OF GOOD OFFICERS.
01:19:47 I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S OVERPOLICING.
01:19:50 THERE'S OVERPOLICING AT CERTAIN TIMES IN CERTAIN
01:19:53 COMMUNITIES BECAUSE WE NEED THEM.
01:19:54 THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
01:19:55 BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE SOLUTIONS FOR THEM.
01:19:58 AND NOT BE AFRAID OF THE POLITICAL -- THAT BLACK PEOPLE
01:20:03 MIGHT GET MAD.
01:20:04 WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SAYING IN
01:20:07 THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
01:20:08 THEY WANT THE MURDERS TO STOP.
01:20:15 THAT'S WHY WE TALK ABOUT REHAB SO MUCH.
01:20:17 IF THE PLACE LOOKS GREAT, I FEEL GREAT, I LOOK GREAT.
01:20:22 BUT MY PLACE LOOKS HORRIBLE.
01:20:23 I SEE NOTHING BUT -- ALL THE TIME.
01:20:28 THAT'S HOW YOU CHANGE COMMUNITIES.
01:20:30 THAT'S HOW YOU CHANGE PEOPLE.
01:20:34 PEOPLE ARE VISUAL.
01:20:35 AND WHEN YOU ARE VISUAL, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT
01:20:39 YOU SEE AND HOW YOU PERCEIVE PEOPLE AND PERCEPTION.
01:20:45 PERCEPTION SOMETIMES [~DISTORTION~]
01:20:52 SO WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T SEE CHANGE OR BELIEVE
01:21:00 AND WHAT DO YOU GET?
01:21:01 YOU GET COMPLAINTS.
01:21:02 YOU GET ACTIVISTS SAYING THIS, THIS AND THAT, BE IT TRUE
01:21:06 OR NOT, THIS IS WHAT YOU HEAR.
01:21:09 SO FOR ME, THIS ORDINANCE HAS GOOD THINGS.
01:21:15 SOME THINGS I DISAGREE STILL.
01:21:17 BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPROMISE TO MOVE
01:21:20 FORWARD, BEFORE SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE GOT THIS
01:21:26 IMPLEMENTED.
01:21:27 STILL, WHAT'S WRONG?
01:21:29 IS THERE SOMETHING STILL WRONG?
01:21:31 AND THEN COME BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT IS STILL WRONG.
01:21:36 AND THINGS CAN'T BE COMPROMISED.
01:21:38 IT MAY GO TO A POINT WHERE YOU SAY, HEY, WE CAN'T GO TO
01:21:42 AN AGREEMENT AFTER THIS IS IMPLEMENTED, OR BEFORE IT IS
01:21:44 EVEN IMPLEMENTED.
01:21:46 SO IT MAY NEED TO GO TO THE VOTERS.
01:21:50 IT IS THEIR CITY.
01:21:51 WE ARE EMPLOYED BY THEM.
01:21:57 LET THEM DECIDE WHAT WE WANT.
01:21:59 WE CAN'T DO IT AS A BODY, OR AS AN ADMINISTRATION WE
01:22:02 CAN'T AGREE, DOWN THE ROAD IT COMES TO AN ISSUE WHERE WE
01:22:05 NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS FOR CLEAR
01:22:08 UNDERSTANDING.
01:22:11 I SAY COMMUNICATION IS BAD, JOHN BENNETT HAS BEEN TRYING
01:22:14 TO WORK ON THAT A LOT.
01:22:15 I PRAISE HIM FOR THAT.
01:22:16 TEXTS ME ALL THE TIME WITH THINGS GOING ON.
01:22:19 I SAID IT SHOULD BE DEPARTMENT HEADS TELLING US WHAT
01:22:21 HAPPENED.
01:22:27 COMPROMISE AND THAT'S ALL YOU CAN ASK FOR.
01:22:32 SO WE WILL LISTEN.
01:22:35 THAT'S ALL SOMEONE WANTS, FOR SOMEONE JUST TO LISTEN, TO
01:22:38 VENT.
01:22:39 MR. DANIELS WAS HERE.
01:22:40 WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST.
01:22:43 THAT ITEM IS COMING UP NUMBER 4.
01:22:46 WE WILL LOOK FOR OTHER OPTIONS.
01:22:48 I KNOW I WILL.
01:22:49 CAN'T GIVE UP.
01:22:50 WE JUST CAN'T GIVE UP.
01:22:52 BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THIS COUNCIL IS THAT YOU HAVE TO
01:22:58 UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE.
01:23:03 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE HOUSE CULTURE.
01:23:06 YOU HAVE TO SEE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO BRING THEM TOGETHER
01:23:09 TO MAKE THEM WORK, TO GET THE BEST RESULTS.
01:23:13 I CAN TELL YOU, TO GET THE BEST RESULTS, YOU HAVE TO
01:23:17 CHANGE THE CULTURE.
01:23:20 YOU HAVE TO CHANGE CULTURE.
01:23:22 I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:23:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
01:23:26 I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FOLLOW THAT UP, YOU KNOW.
01:23:29 YOU SAID IT.
01:23:30 YOU SAID IT ALL AND YOU SAID IT VERY -- I DON'T KNOW, YOU
01:23:36 SAID IT ALL.
01:23:37 I ADMIRE THAT, SIR.
01:23:39 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:23:40 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:23:41 I APPRECIATE IT.
01:23:42 AND I AGREE, AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, I REMEMBER THAT DEBATE
01:23:45 VERY WELL AT A CHURCH NEAR TEMPLE TERRACE, BECAUSE IT WAS
01:23:48 THE FIRST TIME THAT I WAS EVER YELLED AT IN PUBLIC.
01:23:51 AND TO QUOTE ELVIS PRESLEY, I WAS ALL SHOOK UP.
01:23:56 SO REMEMBER THAT WELL, SIR, AND I REMEMBER THE DIFFERENT
01:23:59 CHALLENGES THAT CAME UP HERE.
01:24:00 YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT'S COMING
01:24:02 BEFORE US TODAY WITH THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
01:24:04 I JUST WANT TO TALK TO TWO, THREE, FOYER MINUTES IF I
01:24:08 MAY.
01:24:08 I WANT TO START WITH THE GENERAL PREFACE BECAUSE WE HEARD
01:24:11 FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT VOICES IN PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE
01:24:13 HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM PEOPLE OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO,
01:24:16 AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE GETTING WAY CALL FALSE
01:24:21 CHOICES ON THIS ISSUE.
01:24:24 CHIEF DUGAN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF ALL OF THIS, AND I
01:24:27 THINK HE'S A GOOD MAN AND A FINE PUBLIC SERVANT, SAID IN
01:24:30 THE VERY BEGINNING THAT YOU CAN BE OUTRAGED BY WHAT
01:24:33 HAPPENS TO GEORGE FLOYD, YOU CAN WANT CHANGE, YOU CAN
01:24:37 WANT CHANGE BASED UPON THAT OUTRAGE, BUT STILL, SUPPORT
01:24:41 POLICE OFFICERS, STILL RESPECT THE WORK THAT OUR LAW
01:24:45 ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO, AND STILL RESPECT WHAT THEIR
01:24:49 FAMILIES GO THROUGH.
01:24:50 HEARING FROM OUR FRIEND COUNCILMAN GUDES, AND OVER 25
01:24:53 YEARS OF SERVICE IN TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, I CAN'T
01:24:55 REPLICATE THAT, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN A COP.
01:24:58 YOU GIVE ME A GUN I WILL PROBABLY SHOOT MY FOOT OFF.
01:25:01 BUT I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT.
01:25:05 YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE BEGAN A DIALOGUE HERE IN
01:25:09 THIS CITY ON THE KIND OF CHANGE THAT WE NEED.
01:25:12 IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE HERE
01:25:14 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND A LOT OF IT BY THE PAST
01:25:21 ADMINISTRATION, SOME OF IT BY CITY COUNCIL, YOU TAKE A
01:25:23 LOOK AT THE DIRECTION ON USE OF FORCE WITH REGARDS TO A
01:25:26 BAN ON CHOKE HOLDS, WITH A REGARD TO CHANGE ON NO-WARRANT
01:25:32 KNOCKS, WITH REGARD TO DUTY TO INTERVENE, DUTY TO WARN ON
01:25:36 SHOOTING, CHANGES IN POLICY WITH REGARDS TO USE OF FORCE,
01:25:39 HAVING FDLE TAKE A LOOK AT INCIDENTS INVOLVING POLICE
01:25:43 OFFICERS WHERE SOMEBODY DIES, HAVING AN OUTSIDE BODY,
01:25:46 OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
01:25:49 TAKING A LOOK AT AS I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS CRB ORDINANCE
01:25:52 PUT FORTH BY THE MAYOR, AND THE THOUGHTS OF CITY COUNCIL
01:25:55 THAT NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE GOING, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS
01:25:58 ON THAT.
01:25:58 WE JUST GOT TO, AS I WILL TALK ABOUT, MAKE SURE THAT WE
01:26:01 DON'T BITE OFF MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW.
01:26:03 I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
01:26:05 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE WITH REGARDS TO
01:26:07 IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING FOR ALL OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA
01:26:10 EMPLOYEES, A DIALOGUE THAT BEGAN BACK IN 2018.
01:26:13 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT BODY CAMERAS.
01:26:14 THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THE MIDST OF A PANDEMIC WHERE WE ARE
01:26:17 LOSING REVENUE INVESTING ABOUT $2 MILLION IN EQUIPPING
01:26:20 ALL OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS WITH BODY CAMERAS, SOMETHING
01:26:23 THAT I THINK MOST FOLKS SUPPORT.
01:26:24 THE GOOD WORK DONE BY OUR FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN
01:26:28 JOHN DINGFELDER WITH REGARDS TO COMMITTING UP TO A
01:26:30 MILLION DOLLARS, AGAIN A LOT OF MONEY, THAT WE ALL
01:26:33 SUPPORT.
01:26:34 AND MAKING SURE THAT IN MENTAL HEALTH RELATED CALLS WE
01:26:36 CAN HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL GO WITH A TAMPA
01:26:40 POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER.
01:26:41 YOU HAVE TAKE A LOOK AT OUR BUDGET.
01:26:43 WE CAUGHT A LOT OF HEAT FROM SOME FOLKS ON THE BUDGET.
01:26:46 I'LL SAY IT AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THIS, I STAND
01:26:48 WITH THAT.
01:26:49 I HAVE ALWAYS SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU KNOW,
01:26:52 THERE'S AN OLD SAYING THAT I BELIEVE IN, YOU HAVE GOT TO
01:26:54 BE THE SAME PERSON ON SATURDAY NIGHT THAT YOU ARE ON
01:26:56 SUNDAY MORNING, AND I HAVE ALWAYS, WHETHER I AM TALKING
01:26:59 TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR TO AN ACTIVIST, ALWAYS
01:27:02 LIKE TO GIVE THE SAME LINE, BECAUSE WHEN THE VOTES ARE
01:27:06 COUNTED UP HERE, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
01:27:09 EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT.
01:27:10 AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EMOTION IN THE LAST YEAR.
01:27:12 AND I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE CONSISTENT ON THAT.
01:27:14 BUT WITH THE BUDGET, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I SAID NO
01:27:17 TO DEFUNDING THE POLICE, AND I THINK WE HAVE AS A BODY,
01:27:22 BUT NOT JUST TO THAT BUT ALSO TO CUTTING THE PUBLIC
01:27:24 SAFETY BUDGET.
01:27:25 SOMETHING THAT I HAVE ALWAYS OPPOSED.
01:27:27 I DON'T KNOW WHAT REALITY WITHIN OUR GROWING CITY WITH
01:27:30 THE SERVICE THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND CONSTITUENTS
01:27:35 RIGHTFULLY DEMAND WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHETHER
01:27:38 IT'S POLICE, FIRE, EMS, WHERE WE CAN GO FROM THAT.
01:27:42 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR BOARD, OUR CRB GOOD PEOPLE,
01:27:45 COLONEL REYES RECENTLY JOINED THAT, OR MY GOOD FRIEND
01:27:49 BENITRO WIGGENS.
01:27:53 I WANT TO STAND UP FOR SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS I THINK WALK
01:27:55 ON WATER, PEOPLE LIKE CAROLYN COLLINS, A WOMAN WHOSE
01:28:00 INTEGRITY ON CIVIL RIGHTS NO ONE CAN EVER QUESTION.
01:28:02 MY GOOD FRIEND, MY COLLEAGUE, LINCOLN TAMAYO, ONE OF THE
01:28:09 FINEST MEN I KNOW WHO RUNS ACADEMY PREP, ONE OF THE BEST
01:28:13 PEOPLE, A JUDGE E.J. SALCINES.
01:28:21 IT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE HE HAS SUCH A COMMITMENT TO
01:28:24 JUSTICE.
01:28:24 LIKE MANY OF YOU ALL IN THE LAST YEAR, WE HAD A LOT OF
01:28:27 TALKS.
01:28:27 I TALKED TO ACTIVISTS.
01:28:30 YOU REMEMBER GOING WITH THE MAYOR TO A COUPLE OF MEETINGS
01:28:32 AND TALKING WITH ACTIVISTS, ET CETERA.
01:28:34 I WENT TO THE CRB MAYBE EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AGO OR SO,
01:28:40 TALKED TO FOLKS THERE, ET CETERA.
01:28:41 I TALKED TO A LOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AS WELL.
01:28:45 I THINK WE HAVE TO TALK WITH A LOT OF FOLKS.
01:28:47 AGAIN, YOU CAN SUPPORT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND ALSO
01:28:53 RESPECT THE WORK THAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS DO, BUT YOU
01:28:56 HAVE GOT TO DO BOTH.
01:28:57 YOU HAVE GOT TO DO BOTH.
01:28:58 IF YOU ARE GOING TO SUPPORT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU
01:29:01 HAVE ALSO GOT TO ALWAYS SAY TO POLICE OFFICERS, WE ARE
01:29:04 DOING THIS BECAUSE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY, ESPECIALLY
01:29:07 FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE POTENTIALLY VIOLENT -- VIOLENCE OCCURS
01:29:13 ON THEIR JOB, THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY IS AMERICA'S
01:29:16 JAMES MADISON.
01:29:17 THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.
01:29:18 IT IS.
01:29:19 AND NOBODY IS EXEMPT FROM THAT.
01:29:20 NOT CITY COUNCIL.
01:29:21 NOT THE FBI.
01:29:22 NOT TPD.
01:29:23 NOT THE IRS.
01:29:24 EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT BODY OUGHT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, AND
01:29:27 THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.
01:29:28 SO CHANGE IS NOT ANTI-POLICE.
01:29:30 WE HEARD SOME FOLKS SPEAK TODAY TALKING AGAINST THE IDEA
01:29:35 OF A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD.
01:29:37 I STRONGLY SUPPORT IT.
01:29:38 I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE MAYOR'S CHANGES.
01:29:40 I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME IDEAS THAT I HAVE AS WELL, BUT I
01:29:43 THINK WE CAN BUILD ON THAT.
01:29:44 BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU ANTI-LAW ENFORCEMENT.
01:29:47 YOU TAKE A LOOK AT MY RECORD.
01:29:49 IF SOMEBODY KNOWS CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT ME, ONE OF THEM IS
01:29:52 THAT I AM PROUD TO ALWAYS STAND WITH THE WORK, THE
01:29:56 SACRIFICES OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
01:29:58 WHETHER THEY ARE FIRE, WHETHER THEY ARE EMS, WHETHER THEY
01:30:01 ARE POLICE OFFICERS, THEY REPRESENT THE BEST OF OUR CITY,
01:30:06 THEY REPRESENT THE BEST OF JUST SO MUCH, PEOPLE WHO GO
01:30:11 INTO SITUATIONS THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME RUN FROM, AND THEY DO
01:30:14 THAT FOR A LIVING.
01:30:16 YES, WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
01:30:18 YES, WE HAVE TO HAVE REGULATION.
01:30:20 YES, WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE MOMENT AS WE HAVE AS A
01:30:23 CITY, BUT WE ALWAYS GOT TO HAVE THAT RESPECT DOWN.
01:30:26 WE HAVE ALWAYS GOT TO COMMUNICATE THAT RESPECT AND IF WE
01:30:29 EVER FIND OURSELVES AS ELECTED OFFICIALS RUNNING A WAY
01:30:32 FROM HONORING AND RESPECTING LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEN CHECK
01:30:36 YOURSELF, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE GO WRONG.
01:30:38 THAT'S WHERE WE GO WRONG.
01:30:39 I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD ORDINANCE.
01:30:41 THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I WANT.
01:30:43 THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I WANT.
01:30:45 IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT I THINK ARE COMMON SENSE.
01:30:48 NUMBER ONE IS THE ISSUE OF INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THIS
01:30:51 BOARD, FOR THIS BODY.
01:30:53 I THINK THERE'S WORRIES ON THIS SOMEHOW BEING A TAX ON
01:30:58 THE BUDGET.
01:30:59 I THINK DO A COMMONSENSE APPROACH, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT
01:31:02 THAT, LIMITING THE HOURS AND WITH THE CONSENT OF MRS.
01:31:06 GRIMES OR CITY ATTORNEY, 10, 12, 15 HOURS A MONTH AT $150
01:31:11 AN HOUR WHICH IS A NORMAL GOVERNMENT HOUR BUDGET FOR AN
01:31:15 ATTORNEY, BY THE WAY, ABOUT 150 IS ABOUT, T THERE AND WE
01:31:20 CAN DO THAT.
01:31:20 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STEP THAT ADDS ON A LITTLE BIT,
01:31:23 JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THIS ORDINANCE, RIGHT, THAT WILL GO
01:31:27 A REALLY LONG WAY IN TERMS OF MAKING IT BETTER.
01:31:30 I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT.
01:31:31 AND THAT'S A POSITION, BY THE WAY, THAT I TOLD THE
01:31:33 ADMINISTRATION ON NUMEROUS TIMES AND THAT I SAID FROM THE
01:31:37 VERY BEGINNING, BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.
01:31:39 SECOND IS, WE TALK TO MAJORITY OF VOTES COMING FROM TAMPA
01:31:42 CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS.
01:31:43 I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE SERVICE THAT A LOT OF
01:31:47 FOLKS ARE DOING THERE RIGHT NOW ON THE CRB.
01:31:49 I WANT TO RESPECT THAT SERVICE.
01:31:51 AND IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE
01:31:54 FROM THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A
01:31:58 TRANSITION WHERE PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY LEAVE, AND THEN ANY
01:32:01 VOTES THAT COME TO US OR THE MAYOR UNDER WHATEVER SYSTEM
01:32:04 WE MAY ADOPT, RESPECTS THAT SERVICE.
01:32:07 I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE KICKED OFF THIS BOARD, BECAUSE
01:32:10 I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THERE BY ALL INFORMATION
01:32:13 THAT I HAVE ARE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.
01:32:16 THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL RIGHT I KNOW FOR
01:32:19 ELEVEN MEMBERS, FIVE FROM THE MAYOR, FIVE FROM CITY
01:32:22 COUNCIL, ONE FROM THE NAACP.
01:32:24 I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE NAACP POSITION.
01:32:27 WE COULD, THROWING THAT OUT THERE, HAVE THAT CONFIRMED BY
01:32:31 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SO THAT BECOMES A COUNCIL APPOINTMENT
01:32:33 THROUGH THE NAACP THEREBY TAKING CARE OF THAT ISSUE WITH
01:32:37 REGARDS TO A MAJORITY OF VOTES OF CITY COUNCIL, THAT NO
01:32:40 MATTER WHAT WE DO HERE TODAY, LET'S GET THIS THING DONE
01:32:43 TODAY.
01:32:45 WE CAN'T KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD ANYMORE.
01:32:47 PEOPLE ARE WATCHING IN THE COMMUNITY.
01:32:49 LET'S GET THIS THING DONE TODAY.
01:32:50 NO MORE CONTINUANCES.
01:32:52 WE HAVE GOT TO KNOW RIGHT NOW WHERE WE TAKE ALL THIS
01:32:55 STUFF THAT WE AGREE ON.
01:32:56 WE CAN HAVE A GREAT ORDINANCE THAT AGAIN BUILD ON
01:32:59 IMPLICIT BIAS, BUILD ON BODY CAMERAS, BUILD ON USE OF
01:33:02 FORCE CHANGES GOES ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S
01:33:10 ISSUE ON MENTAL HEALTH THAT BUILD AN AGENDA THAT REALLY
01:33:14 HELPS, BECAUSE A LOT OF US HAVE TAKEN THAT VERY, VERY
01:33:17 SERIOUSLY.
01:33:18 WE HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE MORAL ISSUES, THE MORAL ISSUES
01:33:20 OF HUMAN RIGHTS, AND DECENCY AND CIVIL INJUSTICE THAT ARE
01:33:27 INVOLVED.
01:33:28 WE CAN DO THAT AND I HOPE WE BRING IT HOME TODAY, SO TO
01:33:31 SPEAK.
01:33:31 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:33:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:33:34 ANYBODY ELSE?
01:33:35 ANYBODY ELSE?
01:33:35 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
01:33:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:33:41 I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR SPEAKING VERY
01:33:44 PASSIONATELY AND ARTICULATING THEIR POINTS VERY, VERY
01:33:48 WELL.
01:33:48 FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE THAT I
01:33:53 HAVE HEARD FROM THE ACLU, I HAVE HEARD FROM OUR LEGAL
01:33:58 STAFF, I HAVE HEARD FROM THE PBA.
01:34:05 HAS ANYBODY HEARD FROM THE BOARD ITSELF?
01:34:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
01:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE ORGANIC AND
01:34:15 FOREVER GROWING, AND POSSIBLY FOREVER CHANGING.
01:34:20 AND WHAT COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, I HAVE KNOWN A LOT OF
01:34:23 THESE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, ALSO.
01:34:26 NOT ONLY IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION, BUT YOU ASK ANYBODY IN
01:34:29 THE CITY OF TAMPA ABOUT MR. E.J. SALCINES, ONE OF THE
01:34:37 MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY, MS. IRENE GUY,
01:34:41 AND TAMAYO.
01:34:45 AND THE PART IN THIS DRAFT THAT I LIKE THE MOST IS THE
01:34:49 BOARD COMES TO US, CITY COUNCIL, ANNUALLY, TELLING US
01:34:55 WHAT THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT CHANGES, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE
01:35:01 THEM.
01:35:01 IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THINGS THE SAME WAY, WE CAN
01:35:05 ACCOMMODATE THEM.
01:35:07 THAT IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE, IF THEY
01:35:11 HAVE TO APPEAR LIVE AND IN PERSON TO TELL US HOW THEIR
01:35:17 BOARD IS HANDLING THE SITUATION.
01:35:24 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SPOKE OF FEAR.
01:35:29 AND THERE IS FEAR ON ALL SIDES.
01:35:33 POLICEMEN HAVE THIS FEAR, OH, MY GOD, WHAT DO I DO?
01:35:36 AM I GOING TO SAY THE RIGHT THING?
01:35:38 AM I GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING?
01:35:41 IS SOMETHING GOING TO COME OUT OF MY MOUTH THAT
01:35:43 SHOULDN'T?
01:35:43 IF I TOUCH SOMEBODY ON THE SHOULDER AND SAY, HAVE A NICE
01:35:46 DAY, WILL THAT BE A MISTAKE?
01:35:49 BUT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO DO IS EVEN A BIGGER
01:35:56 WORD, AND THAT'S TRANSPARENCY.
01:35:58 IT'S GOING TO BRING OUT A HECK OF A LOT MORE TRANSPARENCY
01:36:01 WITHIN OUR CITY.
01:36:08 ONE OF THE PEOPLE SPEAKING TODAY TALKED ABOUT THE BIAS
01:36:11 TRAINING.
01:36:11 I JUMPED ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THAT, AND I
01:36:14 HEARD FROM CITIZENS, I HEARD FROM ACLU, I HEARD FROM THE
01:36:18 POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND EVEN THE CHIEF AND OTHER POLICE
01:36:23 OFFICERS THAT WERE PRESENT MENTIONED THAT THERE IS CHANGE
01:36:29 THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
01:36:36 MR. D'ANGELO IS ALWAYS HERE SPEAKING, GIVING US HIS
01:36:41 OPINION, AND I HAVE ALWAYS MADE THE STATEMENT THAT AS A
01:36:46 WHOLE, AS A WHOLE, I WILL ALWAYS STAND BEHIND TAMPA
01:36:50 POLICE DEPARTMENT COMMA, ONE OFFICER STEPS OUT OF LINE
01:37:00 SHOULD BE DEALT WITH QUICKLY AND WITHIN THE POWER OF THE
01:37:03 LAW.
01:37:07 I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT IF
01:37:12 SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING WRONG, THEY WILL BE DEALT WITH.
01:37:17 MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY BROTHERS, WE HAVE BATTED
01:37:23 THE BALL BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE NET FOR LONG ENOUGH.
01:37:26 LET'S MAKE A STAND.
01:37:27 IF WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON THIS, BUT LET'S MOVE
01:37:32 FORWARD TO SHOW THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA THAT WE ARE TAKING
01:37:36 INITIATIVE, AND LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TODAY.
01:37:40 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:37:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
01:37:44 ANYBODY ELSE?
01:37:46 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:37:47 >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, JUST TO GET BACK TO THE GENESIS OF
01:37:51 THIS, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS IN CASE ANYBODY IS WATCHING
01:37:54 FOR THE FIRST TIME, 2015, THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" DID AN
01:37:58 INVESTIGATIVE SERIES THAT DISCOVERED I THINK BIKING WHILE
01:38:02 BLACK THAT SHOWS RACIAL DISCRIMINATION PUSHED BY THE CITY
01:38:07 OF TAMPA IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.
01:38:10 AS A RESULT, CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS GOT DIAGNOSE AND SAID WE
01:38:14 SHOULD NOT HAVE THIS AGAIN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE
01:38:16 PREVENT IT.
01:38:16 AND THAT'S TAKEN OWN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS.
01:38:19 ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED FOR WAS A CITIZENS REVIEW
01:38:22 BOARD.
01:38:23 THE FORMER CITY COUNCIL, SOME OF YOU WERE ON IT, STARTED
01:38:26 TO CREATE ITS OWN CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD AND THE LAST MAYOR
01:38:29 CREATED HIS OWN, WHICH WAS A SHADOW OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY
01:38:32 WANTED.
01:38:33 AND SO IN MY MIND THIS IS JUST FIXING A CALM THAT WAS
01:38:38 CREATED FIVE YEARS AGO.
01:38:39 IT IS EDITING IT.
01:38:42 THE NEGOTIATED VERSION THAT'S HERE NOW IS LIGHT YEARS
01:38:45 AHEAD OF THAT VERSION THAT WAS CREATED YEARS AGO, AND
01:38:48 LEGAL CAN TELL US, BUT I BELIEVE THE WAY THEY SET IT UP
01:38:51 IS THIS WILL REPLACE THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THAT
01:38:55 ORDINANCE BECAUSE BOTH HAD THINGS IN THEM THAT TOOK POW
01:38:59 AREAS WAY FROM CITY COUNCIL, AND I THINK VICE VERSA.
01:39:01 SO WE WILL BE CLEANING UP SOME OF THE CHARTER ISSUES AS
01:39:04 WELL, BUT IF WE ARE CLEANING IT UP, AND MAKING IT SIMILAR
01:39:09 TO OTHER CHARTER RE-- OR CITIZEN REVIEW BOARDS, SOME OF
01:39:14 US SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD, THEN THAT BY ITSELF
01:39:17 SHOULDN'T BE CONTROVERSIAL.
01:39:19 WE ARE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP AND MAKE IT MORE
01:39:21 EFFECTIVE.
01:39:24 SO I WANT TO THANK THIS MAYOR FOR WORKING CLOSELY WITH
01:39:27 CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY.
01:39:29 I CAN TELL YOU ALL IN A DAY THAT THE MAYOR PRESENTED HER
01:39:32 FIRST VERSION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I HAD ALREADY SET UP A
01:39:35 MEETING WITH GINA AND THE COMMUNITY TO LISTEN TO THEIR
01:39:38 FEEDBACK, AND GINA HELD A MEETING AT THE MAYOR'S ORDERS
01:39:41 ANYWAY AND STARTED NEGOTIATING EDITING IT EVEN THOUGH THE
01:39:44 MAYOR JUST HOURS BEFORE PRESENTED ANOTHER VERSION. AND
01:39:46 WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON IT.
01:39:48 I THINK THE VERSION WE HAVE IS GOOD.
01:39:49 I WANT TO THANK URSULA AND GINA AND THE WHOLE TEAM FOR
01:39:53 WORKING ON IT.
01:39:54 THANK YOU TO THEM FOR LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, TO ALL
01:39:57 SIDES.
01:39:58 THE LAST VERSION PBA WAS NOT HAPPY AND ACLU AND OTHERS
01:40:03 WERE NOT HAPPY BUT IT'S NOT JUST ACLU.
01:40:05 THERE WERE 22 CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS THAT CAME FORWARD IN
01:40:09 2015, AND AN IMPORTANT THEY CAME ON THE HEELS OF THE U.S.
01:40:13 JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CONDEMNING THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE
01:40:16 OF THAT POLICY THAT WAS IN PLACE AND SAYING THAT THE U.S.
01:40:19 JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAID THAT THERE WERE PERCEIVED CIVIL
01:40:25 RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO FRESHEN UP CAN
01:40:28 GO BACK.
01:40:28 WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CHECKS
01:40:31 AND BALANCES IN PLACE, AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A MAYOR
01:40:35 NOW WHO WORKS CLOSELY WITH US, WE NEED TO ALSO PRO THE
01:40:39 FUTURE AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS KIND OF WORK DOES NOT
01:40:43 BECOME UNBALANCED EVEN THOUGH I THINK THIS MAYOR WOULD
01:40:46 PUT GREAT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, THERE'S ALWAYS A
01:40:48 POSSIBILITY WE WILL GET ANOTHER BAD MAYOR AND THEY WILL
01:40:50 TRY TO PUSH POLICIES THAT WILL HURT THE COMMUNITY LIKE
01:40:52 HAPPENED BEFORE, AND WE NEED TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
01:40:55 SO OF THE THINGS THAT ARE STILL RECOMMENDED BY THE
01:40:58 COMMUNITY, THE ONE THAT I WOULD PUSH FOR THE MOST, IS TO
01:41:01 CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD. THE REASON WHY IT WAS
01:41:03 SET UP THIS WAY LAST TIME IS FROM THE LAST MAYOR'S
01:41:09 EXECUTIVE ORDER BECAUSE HE WANTED TO CONTROL EVERYTHING,
01:41:12 WHICH HAS LED TO MULTIPLE PROBLEMS IN THE REGION, SO
01:41:15 KILLING THE TAMPA BAY BRAND, HURTING OUR ALLIANCES IN
01:41:20 LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THIS WAS A HUGE CIVIL
01:41:24 RIGHTS VIOLATION.
01:41:25 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GET A BAD MAYOR WHO HURTS
01:41:29 THE COMMUNITY THROUGH CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THAT THE
01:41:32 COMMUNITY IS IN CHARGE OF AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE LIKE
01:41:34 THIS.
01:41:35 SO WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, JUST ADDING TO THE PROPOSAL
01:41:40 THAT'S ON THE TABLE, IS THAT EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER
01:41:43 WOULD APPOINT ONE CANDIDATE, AND THEN THE MAYOR -- AND
01:41:47 THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS MAYOR, JUST MAKING SURE IN THE
01:41:50 FUTURE, WHOEVER IS MAYOR WOULD APPOINT THREE, AND THEN
01:41:52 THE MAYOR PROPOSES NAACP WOULD HAVE A SEAT, AND SO THAT
01:41:57 WOULD MAKE A TOTAL OF ELEVEN.
01:41:59 BY THE WAY, I THINK THE MAYOR ALSO OFFERED A SEAT TO ACLU
01:42:04 AND THEY DECLINED BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THEIR BYLAWS.
01:42:06 BUT, ANYWAY, I THINK WE ARE CLOSE TO A GOOD COMPROMISE AT
01:42:10 THIS POINT.
01:42:11 THERE ARE SOME THINGS THE COMMUNITY STILL WANTS IN IT AND
01:42:13 GINA'S ADVICE TO THEM IS THEY SHOULD GO TO A CHARTER
01:42:16 AMENDMENT, AND SEE IF THE VOTERS WILL PUT IT IN, BECAUSE
01:42:19 THERE'S SOME POWERS THAT WE CANNOT DELEGATE THAT THEY
01:42:24 WOULD REQUIRE CHARTER CHANGES.
01:42:25 BUT IF WE CAN CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD, I THINK IT
01:42:28 WOULD MAKE IT MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND
01:42:31 AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE
01:42:35 ANTI-POLICE.
01:42:36 WE ARE PRO FAIRNESS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND PRO-CREATING
01:42:40 OVERSIGHTS.
01:42:41 WE ALL HAVE ALL KIND OF OVERSIGHTS AS WELL AND WE NEED TO
01:42:44 MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT THINGS ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT
01:42:48 THE COMMUNITY.
01:42:49 THANK YOU.
01:42:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:42:51 ANYBODY ELSE?
01:42:51 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:42:57 YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
01:43:04 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:43:07 THERE IS NO VOLUME.
01:43:14 ARE YOU UNMUTED?
01:43:23 ALL RIGHT.
01:43:26 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, CAN YOU HEAR MIRANDA?
01:43:29 YOU CAN?
01:43:29 OKAY.
01:43:30 WE CAN'T HEAR HIM ON THIS END.
01:43:35 THERE YOU GO.
01:43:36 GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:43:39 NOW IT WORKS.
01:43:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT WORKS BETTER NOW?
01:43:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:43:43 GO AHEAD.
01:43:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:43:45 MR. DINGFELDER AND I CAN HEAR EACH OTHER.
01:43:47 I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS I HAVE HEARD IN
01:43:50 THE PAST.
01:43:51 BUT LET ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE START.
01:43:53 THERE'S NOT ONE DOCUMENT OR ONE ORDINANCE OF ANY SEQUENCE
01:43:58 IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HASN'T BEEN AMENDED INCLUDING
01:44:00 THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
01:44:03 SO I HAVE WORKED WITH VARIOUS MAYORS.
01:44:09 THEY HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, TO MAKE THE CITY OF TAMPA
01:44:12 BETTER.
01:44:15 THEY HAVE MANY THINGS NOT IN COMMON.
01:44:20 AS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT
01:44:23 PERSONALITIES, AND DIFFERENT ANGLES, AND NOT ONE OF THEM
01:44:29 DID I EVER THOUGHT OF IN MY LIFE DID SOMETHING
01:44:32 INAPPROPRIATELY WRONG TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEY HAVE WAYS
01:44:39 OF DOING THINGS JUST LIKE ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE A
01:44:42 WAY OF DOING THEIR THINGS AND I AM SURE THIS MAYOR AND
01:44:44 FUTURE MAYORS HAVE DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, DIFFERENT
01:44:48 OUTLOOK IN LIFE, DIFFERENT OUTLOOK AT CONSTITUTIONAL
01:44:52 MATTERS.
01:44:52 LIKE I SAID EARLIER, NOT ONE THAT I KNOW OF ANY SUBSTANCE
01:44:57 HASN'T BEEN AMENDED INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES
01:44:59 CONSTITUTION.
01:45:01 LET'S PUT THAT IN NOW.
01:45:03 SO WHAT I SEE HERE ARE CERTAINLY STEPS IN THE RIGHT
01:45:07 DIRECTION BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, THE MAYOR, AND BY THE
01:45:13 CITY OF TAMPA'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THAT MADE A PROCESS OF
01:45:19 SUBSTANCE MUCH MORE VIABLE FOR ALL.
01:45:25 IS IT AMENDING THE ORIGINAL ONE?
01:45:27 YES.
01:45:27 BUT THAT'S COMMON SENSE THAT IF YOU LEAVE THE SAME ONE IN
01:45:31 PLACE FOREVER, YOU ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
01:45:34 BECAUSE TIME GOES ON, PEOPLE'S IDEALISM, AND PEOPLE'S
01:45:40 REALISM OF FEAR, OF NOT FEAR, LIKE MR. GUDES WAS TALKING
01:45:44 ABOUT, IS CERTAINLY PRESENT AT ANY ONE TIME.
01:45:47 SO I LISTENED TO MS. RICHARDSON AND MRS. GRIMES THIS
01:45:55 MORNING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
01:45:56 IS IT PERFECT WHAT EVERYONE WANTS?
01:45:59 NO.
01:46:01 WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PARTIES THAT COME TO A TABLE AND THEY
01:46:04 BOTH LEAVE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WANT -- YOU DON'T WANT
01:46:12 ONE SIDE GETTING EVERYTHING AND THE OTHER SIDE NOTHING.
01:46:14 THIS IS A COMPROMISE OF SORTS.
01:46:16 AND IN THE FUTURE, I'M SURE THIS ONE WILL BE AMENDED
01:46:26 I SUPPORT WHAT THE MAYOR HAS MUTT ON.
01:46:29 OUT OF THE ELEVEN, I AM NOT CERTAIN HOW IT'S FIVE, FIVE
01:46:33 AND ONE, FIVE, THREE AND WHATEVER, AND WE WILL WORK THAT
01:46:39 OUT AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE TODAY.
01:46:41 AND FINALLY TODAY WE'LL HAVE A CHANGE IN ANOTHER
01:46:44 ORDINANCE.
01:46:45 AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR SOCIETY.
01:46:46 I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS.
01:46:48 BUT ABOVE ALL, THE BEST POLICE OFFICE IN THE WORLD, NOW
01:46:54 WHO THEY ARE?
01:46:55 THEY ARE MOTHER AND FATHER.
01:46:57 AND I NEVER FORGOT WHAT MY FATHER TOLD ME ONCE, AND HE
01:47:03 SAID, YOU NEED HELP, CALL SOMEBODY ELSE.
01:47:07 THAT'S WHEN THERE WERE NO CELL PHONES AND PAY PHONES ON
01:47:10 EVERY CORNER.
01:47:11 AND IF YOU THINK THAT DOESN'T STICK WITH YOU, YOU HAVE
01:47:13 GOT ANOTHER THING COMING.
01:47:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:47:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:47:16 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:47:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU AGAIN.
01:47:20 I DID LEAVE ONE THING OUT IN MY LAST COMMENTS.
01:47:23 WHATEVER WE DECIDE TODAY TO DO, THERE IS ONE PORTION, I
01:47:30 WILL SAY PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE WHEN I TALKED
01:47:32 TO MS. GRIMES.
01:47:33 I WON'T GO INTO THAT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
01:47:36 WHATEVER WE PASS, I MAY COME BACK WITH A SUBSEQUENT
01:47:38 MOTION, THAT I WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO SUGGEST DRAFTED
01:47:44 REVISION TO THE LANGUAGE IN THE CRB ORDINANCE TO MAKE
01:47:47 SURE THAT THE ORDINANCE SUCCEEDS 2015-2021 IN ITS
01:47:53 ENTIRETY SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THIS REFERS TO THE
01:47:55 LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE CHANGES
01:47:58 TO THE SECRETARY OF SECTION 18.
01:48:02 SO I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE --
01:48:04 >>> IS THAT AN OFFICIAL MOTION OR HOLD ON?
01:48:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS
01:48:12 ORDINANCE SUPERSEDES THE LAST ORDINANCE WITH NO QUESTION.
01:48:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:48:15 WELL, I THINK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID.
01:48:19 I WILL GO TO YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, RIGHT AFTER
01:48:24 THIS.
01:48:24 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SAID ALL FROM A PERSONAL
01:48:27 PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
01:48:29 AISLE, AS A POLICE OFFICER SERVING THE COMMUNITY FOR OVER
01:48:32 25 YEARS, 26 YEARS, I BELIEVE IS THE EXACT TIME, TO
01:48:35 SERVING ON THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD, TO BEING A
01:48:40 CANDIDATE, TO BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, SO YOU HAVE BEEN
01:48:43 ON ALL SIDES OF THE AISLE,
01:48:46 AND YOU TOLD US IN SUCH DETAIL YOUR STORY GROWING UP,
01:48:50 YOUR STORY AS TO HOW AND WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO BECOME A
01:48:54 POLICE OFFICER, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD AND COMING TO BE
01:48:57 AN ELECTED OFFICIAL POSITION.
01:48:59 COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS SAID EVERYTHING VERY ELOQUENTLY.
01:49:04 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN CITRO, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
01:49:08 I WAS HERE IN 2015.
01:49:10 I GOT ELECTED, I GOT SWORN IN IN APRIL, AND THE
01:49:14 DISCUSSION CAME UP WITH THE BICYCLING WHILE BLACK
01:49:18 CONVERSATION THAT TRIGGERED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE
01:49:21 BOARD AS IT EXISTS NOW.
01:49:26 MY GOAL IS THIS AT THE END OF THE DAY UNANIMOUS POSITION
01:49:29 OF PUBLIC SERVANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
01:49:31 DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS OR THE RIGHT ANSWERS
01:49:34 OR THAT IT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY, BUT HAVING BEEN PART OF
01:49:37 THIS DISCUSSION FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW, I THINK IT'S
01:49:40 TIME TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING.
01:49:42 BUT AS COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID, THE CONSTITUTION IS A
01:49:47 LIVING BREATHING DOCUMENT.
01:49:48 IT CHANGES.
01:49:49 WHATEVER WE IMPLEMENT TODAY, WHATEVER DOES OR DOES NOT
01:49:51 HAPPEN, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T REVISIT IT.
01:49:53 WE CAN REVISIT IT IN THE FUTURE, SEE WHAT IS WORKING AND
01:49:56 WHAT IS NOT WORKING AND ADD CHANGES FROM THERE.
01:49:59 IT'S NOT ONE STOP, THIS IS THE END OF THE ROAD THING.
01:50:03 THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES ON.
01:50:05 SO I'LL STOP THERE.
01:50:07 I KNOW COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.
01:50:10 GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:50:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:50:15 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
01:50:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
01:50:17 GO AHEAD.
01:50:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU TO ALL MY FELLOW COUNCIL
01:50:22 MEMBERS FOR YOUR ELOQUENCE, ESPECIALLY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
01:50:26 AS ALWAYS FROM THE HEART.
01:50:30 HE HAS TREMENDOUS KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA.
01:50:32 WE APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE.
01:50:34 I ALSO APPRECIATE OUR CITY ATTORNEY, GINA GRIMES, AND
01:50:40 ASSISTANT CHIEF ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY URSULA
01:50:43 RICHARDSON, WHOM I HAVE KNOWN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND
01:50:47 THEY WORKED VERY HARD ON THOSE, AND EVERYBODY, GINA, ON
01:50:52 YOUR TEAM HAS WORKED HARD ON THIS.
01:50:56 WE APPRECIATE YOU.
01:50:58 AND SOMETIMES WE TAKE QUESTIONS, DON'T TAKE THAT FACT WE
01:51:02 DON'T APPRECIATE IT.
01:51:02 WE DO.
01:51:03 WE ALSO APPRECIATE TPD.
01:51:04 I HAVE SEEN E-MAILS FLYING AROUND THAT SAYS DINGFELDER
01:51:07 THIS, DINGFELDER THAT.
01:51:08 THAT'S NONSENSE.
01:51:09 I APPRECIATE TPD.
01:51:13 ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION IS JOHN
01:51:16 BENNETT, AND HE KNOWS HOW I FEEL.
01:51:22 I ALSO APPRECIATE CHIEF DUGAN AND THE WORK HE'S DONE.
01:51:25 I THINK HE'S TAKEN A LOT OF CHEAP SHOTS, AND I DON'T
01:51:28 APPRECIATE THAT.
01:51:29 AND I APPRECIATE MAYOR JANE CASTOR.
01:51:31 I THINK SHE'S DONE A GOOD JOB.
01:51:33 SHE'S NO LONGER THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
01:51:35 SHE'S NOW THE MAYOR.
01:51:35 SHE WEARS A DIFFERENT HAT.
01:51:37 I THINK SHE'S DOING A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
01:51:40 LET ME MAKE THIS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.
01:51:42 THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS MAYOR, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS
01:51:46 CHIEF, AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS CITY COUNCIL.
01:51:49 THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE NAACP, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE TAMPA
01:51:53 PATRIOT GROUP OR THE ACLU, IT'S NOT A RED ISSUE, IT'S NOT
01:51:58 A BLUE ISSUE.
01:51:59 THIS IS A COMMUNITY ISSUE, AND IT'S ABOUT MAKING OUR
01:52:01 COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE, A BETTER PLACE.
01:52:06 COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU SAID IT VERY WELL, IT'S OFTEN
01:52:12 REALITY, AND THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL BECAUSE WITHOUT
01:52:15 CHANGE, THE PERCEPTION IS SAME OL' SAME OL'.
01:52:19 IT'S JUST A GOOD OL' BOY NETWORK, AS YOU SAID, COUNCILMAN
01:52:23 GUDES.
01:52:24 BUT SOMETIMES WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES AND LET PEOPLE
01:52:26 KNOW THAT THAT CHANGE CAN BE PERCEIVED AS THE NEW
01:52:31 REALITY.
01:52:32 AND WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THIS IS A
01:52:36 COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO HAVE AN UNFILTERED VOICE.
01:52:39 THEY WANT TO HAVE CONFIDENCE AND TRUST THAT THERE IS AN
01:52:43 INDEPENDENT POLICE REVIEW BOARD.
01:52:47 AND LEWIS SAID INDEPENDENCE COMES WITH SITTING AS A LEGAL
01:52:54 ADVISER.
01:52:54 WHEN WE WANT INDEPENDENCE, WE LOOK TO MARTY SHELBY AS OUR
01:52:57 INDEPENDENT LEGAL ADVISER.
01:53:00 AND I AGREE WITH YOU, LUIS, I THINK THAT BOARD NEEDS TO
01:53:03 HAVE ITS INDEPENDENT LEGAL ADVISER.
01:53:07 WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THE ADVISER WHO IS DOING THE JOB
01:53:11 NOW OR THE OTHER ADVISER WHO MS. GRIMES HAS PROPOSED IS
01:53:15 DOING A BAD JOB OR GOING TO DO A BAD JOB OR ANYTHING.
01:53:18 BUT IT'S THE PERCEPTION.
01:53:19 THE PERCEPTION THAT'S IMPORTANT.
01:53:23 WE NEED TO CREATE A NEW CRB THAT DEMANDS ACCOUNTABILITY,
01:53:27 RESPONSIBILITY, AND TRANSPARENCY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS
01:53:31 RELATED TO TPD, BECAUSE AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, WE SERVE
01:53:35 THE COMMUNITY, AND TPD SERVES THE COMMUNITY.
01:53:39 AND I DON'T FIND THE ARGUMENT THAT DEMANDING HIGH
01:53:44 STANDARDS AND HAVING A STRONG CRB WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT
01:53:47 MORALE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
01:53:48 I KNOW TPD.
01:53:50 TPD DOESN'T -- THEY KNOW WHO THE BAD APPLES ARE AND THEY
01:53:54 DON'T LIKE THOSE BAD APPLES.
01:53:56 AND IF THE CRB GETS RID OF SOME OF THOSE BAD APPLES I'M
01:53:59 CONFIDENT THAT CRB WILL BE A BETTER PLACE AND SUPPORT
01:54:03 THAT.
01:54:04 SO I HAVE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND PROBABLY A
01:54:07 COUPLE OF TWEAKS, AND I WANT TO ADDRESS -- I WILL GO
01:54:12 AHEAD AND TAKE IT ON MYSELF UNLESS OTHER FOLKS WANT TO.
01:54:16 I'LL ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE
01:54:18 EARLIER.
01:54:21 THESE TWEAKS AND THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT RADICAL CHANGES
01:54:25 THAT WE HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF IN THE NEWSPAPER.
01:54:27 RADICAL CHANGES, MARXIST CHANGES.
01:54:30 NO.
01:54:31 ANYWAY, THE QUESTION COMES, MS. GRIMES, IS -- AND PART OF
01:54:38 THAT C-1 AND G-1, I REMEMBER READING THEM THIS WEEK, IT
01:54:42 APPEARS THAT UNDER THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, THE BOARD CAN
01:54:46 ONLY ADDRESS CLOSED INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS WHERE TPD HAS
01:54:56 MADE A FINDING OF SUSPENSIONS, DEMOTIONS OR TERMINATIONS.
01:55:02 I APOLOGIZE FOR GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS BUT I
01:55:05 THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
01:55:06 BUT MY QUESTION, AND MY CONCERN, GINA, IS WHAT HAPPENS
01:55:09 UNDER C-1 OR G-1 IF TPD DOES A FULL INVESTIGATION AND
01:55:16 CLOSES THEIR INVESTIGATION BUT DOESN'T HAVE A SUSPENSION,
01:55:19 DEMOTION OR TERMINATION?
01:55:21 IN OTHER WORDS, I HAVE NOTICED TO ME WHEN I READ C-1 AND
01:55:27 G-1 IT APPEARS THAT THE BOARD, THE CRB, UNDER THAT
01:55:31 CIRCUMSTANCE, WOULD NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW
01:55:36 THAT TYPE OF -- ITS OWN INVESTIGATION.
01:55:43 MR. CHAIR, I HAVE OTHERS BUT IF I CAN GET A RESPONSE FROM
01:55:47 MRS. GRIMES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
01:55:52 >>GINA GRIMES: THE ISSUE THAT YOU WAS RAISED BY THE ACLU
01:55:55 IN ITS LETTER IS NOT ACCURATE.
01:55:58 EVEN THOUGH C-1 PROVIDES FOR REVIEW OF CLOSED
01:56:01 INVESTIGATIONS WHERE THERE'S DISCIPLINE, IF YOU LOOK AT
01:56:03 SECTION C-5, IT ALLOWS THE CRB TO REVIEW ANY COMPLAINT
01:56:12 INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION INVOLVING --
01:56:18 AND IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE CITY.
01:56:22 SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW OTHER CASES UNDER C-5.
01:56:28 AND END THIS UNDER C-6 THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO
01:56:31 REVIEW MATTERS OF INTEREST AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
01:56:35 INVOLVING THE DEPARTMENT'S HANDLING ON AN ISSUE INCLUDING
01:56:38 REVISIONS OR ADDITIONS IN POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
01:56:42 SO IT'S VERY BROAD IN SCOPE AS FAR AS THEIR ABILITY TO
01:56:48 REVIEW.
01:56:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
01:56:52 I HAD A FEELING YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT AND I
01:56:54 APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION.
01:56:55 SO TO ALLOW THE BOARD TO INCLUDE A REVIEW OF PRETTY MUCH
01:57:07 CLOSED INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE
01:57:12 FINAL PUNISHMENT IS FOR THAT PARTICULAR OFFICERS, BUT I
01:57:16 KIND OF WISH WE WOULD EXPRESSLY INCLUDE THAT IN C-1 AND
01:57:21 G-1.
01:57:22 DO YOU SEE ANY HARM, MRS. GRIMES, IN INCLUDING THAT IN
01:57:24 C-1 AND G-1?
01:57:27 AS YOU SAY, WE HAVE ALREADY INCLUDED IT IN C-5 AND C-6.
01:57:32 >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK THE INTENT WAS -- AND CORRECT ME
01:57:35 IF I AM WRONG -- BUT THE INTENT WAS THAT CLOSED
01:57:41 INVESTIGATIONS WOULD COME DO IT CRB AND OTHER TYPES OF
01:57:45 CASES THAT THEY MAY WANT TO REVIEW WAS UP TO THE BOARD TO
01:57:48 DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO REVIEW THOSE.
01:57:50 >> [~INDISCERNIBLE~].
01:58:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THESE OTHER ONES MIGHT SLIP
01:58:03 THROUGH THE CRACKS AND I THINK THE OTHER ONES MIGHT BE
01:58:06 THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES WHERE IF THE COMMUNITY AND CRB
01:58:09 DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE CHIEF'S
01:58:13 DECISION TO NOT HAVE ANY AT ALL, I WOULD THINK THOSE
01:58:21 MIGHT BE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE
01:58:23 YOUR ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
01:58:27 >>GINA GRIMES: I'M SORRY, I CAN'T TELL IF YOU HEARD ME OR
01:58:30 NOT.
01:58:30 BUT YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL HAVE A COMPLAINT TRACKING
01:58:34 SYSTEM SO THEY WILL GET TO SEE EACH AND EVERY COMPLAINT
01:58:37 AS IT COMES IN, AND THEN AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS,
01:58:42 SO FROM THE INCEPTION IF THERE'S A COMPLAINT THAT THEY
01:58:45 ARE INTERESTED IN, THEY CAN CERTAINLY IDENTIFY THAT, AND
01:58:48 ASK TO REVIEW IT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS
01:58:53 CLOSED.
01:58:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I UNDERSTAND THE TRACKING SYSTEM.
01:58:58 I JUST THINK THAT YOU HAVE OPINED SOMETHING VERY
01:59:01 IMPORTANT TODAY.
01:59:02 I THINK IT SHOULD BE CODIFIED TO EXPRESSLY TELL THIS
01:59:05 BOARD, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE OTHER TYPES OF CASES,
01:59:10 NOT IMPLICIT IN YOUR OTHER POWERS BUT EXPRESSED.
01:59:14 SO THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
01:59:17 MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION, AND THEN I WILL GET ON TO A
01:59:20 POTENTIAL MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THIS ISSUE IN E-1-F
01:59:27 WHICH HAS TO DO WITH QUALIFICATIONS OF BOARD MEMBERS.
01:59:32 AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE INTENT HERE IS.
01:59:34 BECAUSE E-1-F IS REALLY CONFUSING TO ME.
01:59:37 AS A MATTER OF FACT, I CALLED ANOTHER ATTORNEY DURING THE
01:59:40 BREAK WHEN I READ HIM THAT, AND I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MAKE
01:59:43 OF THIS?
01:59:44 AND IT TOOK US LIKE 20 MINUTES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
01:59:48 YOU SAID.
01:59:49 BUT BASICALLY, ON THE QUALIFICATION ISSUE, IT SPEAKS TO
01:59:53 WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY IS ARRESTED FOR A FELONY, AND
01:59:57 THEN -- AND I AGREE, IF SOMEBODY HAS A FELONY CONVICTION
02:00:06 OR IF THEY HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY, I DON'T THINK
02:00:08 WE WANT THEM ON THIS BOARD.
02:00:10 I'M FINE WITH THAT.
02:00:11 BUT MY THOUGHT NEEDS TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE HAD TO DO
02:00:15 WITH MISDEMEANORS, AND IT DISTURBS ME GREATLY BECAUSE IF
02:00:19 SOMEBODY GETS ARRESTED FOR A MISDEMEANOR, LET'S SAY FOR
02:00:22 ARGUMENT SAKE FOR PROTESTING OUT ON THE STREET, AND WE
02:00:26 HEARD PEOPLE GOT ARRESTED FOR, DOES THAT POTENTIALLY
02:00:31 DISQUALIFY THEM?
02:00:32 I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
02:00:34 HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT MISDEMEANORS?
02:00:36 IT'S NOT CLEAR IN E-1-F AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE SEE US
02:00:40 CLEAN THAT UP SO IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR WHAT THE
02:00:43 QUALIFICATIONS ARE AS RELATED TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
02:00:45 ARRESTED AND/OR CONVICTED FOR MISDEMEANORS, ARE THEY
02:00:49 AUTOMATICALLY EXCLUDED FROM THIS?
02:00:54 THAT'S MY QUESTION.
02:00:55 AND THEN I WILL GET ONTO THE REST OF THEM.
02:01:00 >>GINA GRIMES: I WANT TO SAY THAT CHANGE THAT WE MADE --
02:01:05 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, E-1-F STEMMED FROM
02:01:10 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ACLU, THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THIS
02:01:16 ORDINANCE, OR THE FIRST DRAFT OF ORDINANCE, WAS THAT NO
02:01:19 ONE BEEN ARRESTED WAS GOING TO SERVE ON THE BOARD AT ALL
02:01:24 AND THE ACLU WAS ARGUING THE POINT DIFFERENT KIND OF
02:01:28 CRIMES, ET CETERA, A PERSON MAY BE CONVICTED OF THAT WILL
02:01:32 KEEP THEM FROM SERVING.
02:01:33 SO THIS WAS AN EFFORT TO TRY TO STRIKE SOME BALANCE THAT
02:01:38 THE BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNBIASED.
02:01:42 SOME ARRESTED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, ONE WOULD
02:01:45 THINK, PROBABLY HAS A LAW BIAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN
02:01:49 ARRESTED SO THE INTENT WAS IF YOU HAVE BEEN ARRESTED BY
02:01:52 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN'T SERVE FOR TWO YEARS
02:01:54 WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, WHETHER IT WAS A FELONY OR A
02:01:58 MISDEMEANOR.
02:01:59 AND WE MADE IT SPECIFIC TO TRY AND CAPTURE THOSE PEOPLE
02:02:03 THAT THE ACLU WAS CONCERNED WILL BE PREVENTED FROM
02:02:06 APPLYING TO SERVE ON THE BOARD.
02:02:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IF YOU GOT ARRESTED FOR A
02:02:13 MISDEMEANOR AND THEN YOU WERE TWO WEEKS LATER THE JUDGE
02:02:17 DROPPED THE CHARGE, YOU WERE PRECLUDED BY THAT MISTAKEN
02:02:20 ARREST FROM SERVING FOR TWO YEARS.
02:02:22 I DON'T THINK THAT --
02:02:29 >>URSULA RICHARDSON: TO SAY IT WAS MISTAKEN, WHATEVER
02:02:33 TRAIL DATE YOU HAVE AS A PERSON LEGALLY ARRESTED BY THE
02:02:36 POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE SAME THING AS IF YOU HAVE SUED THE
02:02:41 POLICE DEPARTMENT OR -- AGAINST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
02:02:50 YOU ARE NOT TOTALLY PRECLUDED FROM SERVING, BUT WHEN THE
02:02:56 EVENT HAPPENED AND YOUR SERVICE, THAT WILL BE AT LEAST A
02:02:59 BIT MORE COMFORT ABOUT YOUR POTENTIAL NEUTRALITY.
02:03:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A POLITIC QUESTION THAT COUNCIL
02:03:10 SHOULD WRESTLE WITH, THAT'S CORRECT?
02:03:13 IT'S NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
02:03:15 NOT EVEN A CHARTER QUESTION.
02:03:17 IT'S A POLICY QUESTION.
02:03:22 >>GINA GRIMES: THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICY ISSUES IN THIS
02:03:23 ORDINANCE, AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THEM.
02:03:25 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
02:03:28 YOU DON'T LIKE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT BEING INVOLVED IN
02:03:30 POLICY, NOR DO WE LET -- BE INVOLVED IN LEGAL ISSUES.
02:03:37 SO I RESPECT IT.
02:03:40 THERE'S A SIMILAR DISQUALIFICATION FOR ANYONE WITHIN THE
02:03:43 LAST FEW YEARS THAT SERVES, IS EMPLOYED BY TPD OR ANY
02:03:47 OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
02:03:49 THEY ALSO ARE NOT GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO BE ON THE CRB
02:03:56 FOR THAT TWO-YEAR PERIOD, AND THE INTENT BEHIND ALL OF
02:04:00 THESE QUALIFICATION AND DISQUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS IS
02:04:02 TO CREATE A NEUTRAL BOARD AS POSSIBLE.
02:04:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOT IT.
02:04:10 OKAY.
02:04:11 MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME GET TO THE MEAT OF IT.
02:04:17 IN REGARD TO THE SELECTION OF MEMBERS, I CAN'T REMEMBER,
02:04:21 I THINK IT WAS --
02:04:24 >>> ARE YOU GOING TO BE MAKING MOTIONS NOW OR JUST
02:04:26 DISCUSSION?
02:04:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M MAKING SOME MOTIONS.
02:04:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, WE HAVE COUNCILMAN VIERA,
02:04:34 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, AND THEN WE CAN GO TO YOU.
02:04:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, LET ME COMMENT THEN ON THE
02:04:41 MOTIONS JUST AS A SUGGESTION.
02:04:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:04:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCILMAN VIERA, IN REGARD TO THE
02:04:47 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
02:04:49 BUT OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS WRITTEN US AND SPOKEN FAIRLY
02:04:54 ADAMANTLY THAT SHE BELIEVES THAT'S A CHARTER ISSUE AND
02:04:57 POTENTIALLY CONFLICTS WITH HER ROLE IN CITY GOVERNMENT,
02:05:03 AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK FOR YOU, MRS. GRIMES, BUT I
02:05:06 THINK THAT'S WHAT I READ AND I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY IN
02:05:09 THE PAST.
02:05:09 SO MR. VIERA, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST ON THAT ONE, IF YOU
02:05:12 WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, IS THAT WE MAKE A MOTION DIRECTING
02:05:16 MR. SHELBY TO DRAFT A CHARTER LANGUAGE, AND THAT THAT
02:05:21 ISSUE WOULD COME UP ON THE NEXT ELECTION, PROBABLY THE
02:05:27 NEXT ELECTION, WILL THAT BE 2022?
02:05:32 THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY THAT CITY VOTERS HAVE TO GO TO THE
02:05:35 POLLS.
02:05:35 AND SO I THINK THAT -- BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO
02:05:41 CROSSWISE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
02:05:45 I THINK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON ALL THESE ISSUES.
02:05:47 AND WE DON'T NEED TO -- BUT I THINK IF THE VOTERS DECIDE
02:05:54 IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO HAVE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, PUT IT
02:05:56 ON THE CHARTER AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT, AND LET THE VOTERS
02:05:59 DECIDE.
02:05:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, IN REFERENCE TO THAT,
02:06:08 YOU HAVE TWO GOOD POINTS THERE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE,
02:06:11 BECAUSE THAT COULD BE A WHILE, TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GOING
02:06:13 TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS THAT WE STILL ALLOW THE
02:06:16 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO
02:06:18 WORK WITH THEM.
02:06:20 THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION, SIR.
02:06:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO
02:06:31 PROBABLY GET WITH MRS. GRIMES ON WHAT HER PREFERENCE IS
02:06:35 ON THAT.
02:06:35 I DO WANT TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO HER AS RELATED TO THE ROLE
02:06:41 OF THE CITY ATTORNEY WITHIN THE CHARTER.
02:06:43 I THINK IT'S UP FOR ARGUMENT.
02:06:48 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE FRAMEWORK THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY
02:06:50 HAS PROVIDED AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A
02:06:56 MOTION TO PUT THIS ON A POTENTIAL CHARTER AMENDMENT.
02:07:04 SO IT'S SORT OF ANOTHER COMPROMISE THERE.
02:07:13 >>GINA GRIMES: CAN I ADDRESS THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN?
02:07:16 MAY I ADDRESS THAT?
02:07:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:07:18 GO AHEAD.
02:07:19 >>GINA GRIMES: I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING.
02:07:22 THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND
02:07:25 OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
02:07:27 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT INDEPENDENT COUNSEL
02:07:30 IS NOT SOMETHING UNDER THE CURRENT CHARTER THAT CAN BE
02:07:34 PROVIDED.
02:07:35 THE CURRENT CHARTER PROVIDES THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS
02:07:38 THE LEGAL ADVISER TO ALL DEPARTMENTS AND BOARDS.
02:07:43 THE CRB IS A CITY BOARD.
02:07:46 SO BY CHARTER, THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE THE ATTORNEY
02:07:50 FOR THE CRB.
02:07:56 THE CHARTER ALSO SAYS UNDER 5.01 SUBPARAGRAPH A, IT SAYS
02:08:03 THE DUTY OF THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TAKE MANAGEMENT AND
02:08:05 CONTROL OVER ALL LEGAL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY.
02:08:08 AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE ALL BOARDS OF THE CHARTER OF
02:08:13 THE CITY POTENTIALLY EXPOSE THE CITY TO LIABILITY.
02:08:17 SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FROM
02:08:22 MANAGEMENT CONTROL OVER ALL LEGAL AFFAIRS OF THE CITY TO
02:08:25 ENSURE THAT THOSE BOARDS THAT MAY ACT INDEPENDENTLY DON'T
02:08:31 EXPOSE THE CITY TO LIABILITY.
02:08:36 EMPLOYING OUTSIDE COUNSEL IS PART OF THE LEGAL AFFAIRS OF
02:08:39 THE CITY.
02:08:40 I BELIEVE THAT THE ISSUE OF INDEPENDENT COUNSELOR OUTSIDE
02:08:45 COUNSEL WAS RAISED BECAUSE SINCE 2015 THE ATTORNEY FOR
02:08:53 TPD HAS BEEN THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CRB.
02:08:55 BUT WE PROPOSED IN THIS DRAFT IS INSTEAD TO HAVE A
02:09:01 SEPARATE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AND I WILL ZERO
02:09:09 INTRODUCE CARL R OBY WHO JOINED US FROM PINELLAS, AND IN
02:09:16 A IF A AFFILIATION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DOES NO
02:09:20 WORK FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ETC. FROM PINELLAS COUNTY
02:09:24 AND PRACTICED THERE FOR 30 YEARS, IN GOVERNMENT LAW, JUST
02:09:28 THE KIND OF ATTORNEY THAT IF I HAD TO HIRE OUTSIDE
02:09:30 COUNSEL THAT I WOULD HIRE.
02:09:34 HE'S MORE THAN QUALIFIED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT ADVISER TO
02:09:39 THE CRB, AND SO THAT'S WHY THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY
02:09:44 PROVIDES FOR THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY TO SERVE AS
02:09:49 LEGAL ADVISER TO THE CRB BUT NONE OF THE ATTORNEYS HIGH
02:09:53 PRESSURE ANY AFFILIATION OR DOES ANY WORK FOR THE POLICE
02:09:56 DEPARTMENT, AND ALSO PROVIDES SHOULD CONFLICT ARISE
02:10:01 BETWEEN THE CRB AND THE CITY THAT OUTSIDE COUNSEL COULD
02:10:06 THEN BE ENGAGED IF IT WAS A LEGAL CONFLICT.
02:10:11 SO I BELIEVE THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CURRENT
02:10:17 DRAFT ADDRESSES THE CONCERN OF WANTING SOME INDEPENDENT
02:10:22 INDIVIDUAL ATTORNEY TO ADVISE THE BOARD, NOT AN ATTORNEY
02:10:27 THAT ADVISES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND IF FOR SOME
02:10:30 REASON THERE WOULD BE A CONFLICT THAT WE STILL HAVE THE
02:10:33 OPTION OF HIRING OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
02:10:36 BUT INDEPENDENT COUNSEL IS NOT SOMETHING PERMITTED UNDER
02:10:38 THE CHARTER.
02:10:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL JUST FOLLOW UP.
02:10:44 THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION, MRS. GRIMES.
02:10:46 I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE DIRECTION THAT YOU HAVE
02:10:50 SUGGESTED ON THIS.
02:10:51 AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE.
02:10:54 I'M NOT BUTTING HEADS WITH YOU TO SAY WE SHOULD DO THIS
02:10:56 TODAY.
02:10:57 WHAT I AM DOING IS SUGGESTION TO MR. VIERA, BECAUSE I
02:11:01 THINK THERE IS POTENTIAL CONFLICT EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT
02:11:07 THAT BOARD MEATS IF YOU HAVE INSIDE COUNSEL.
02:11:11 AND IF IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL INHERENT CONFLICT, IT'S THE
02:11:16 PERCEPTION OF CONFLICT.
02:11:18 AND SO, THEREFORE, I WOULD SUGGEST, MR. VIERA, THAT WE
02:11:25 LET THE VOTERS DECIDE, IF THEY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE'LL
02:11:28 PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AMENDMENT WHICH WE HAVE THE POWER TO
02:11:31 DO AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE THAT.
02:11:32 AND WHEN WE ARE ALL SAID AND DONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WELL, I
02:11:37 WOULD LIKE -- I WILL STEP ASIDE NOW AND LET EVERYBODY
02:11:41 MAKE WHATEVER MOTIONS THEY WANT TO MAKE.
02:11:43 MR. GUDES, I THINK YOUR MOTION IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT
02:11:46 THIS NEW ORDINANCE SUPERSEDE ALL THE OLD ORDINANCE
02:11:49 COMPLETELY.
02:11:52 IN REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE ON THAT SERVE
02:11:57 ON THIS, I AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON THAT EACH COUNCILMEMBER
02:12:02 SHOULD APPOINT ONE, WHICH IS SEVEN, AND THAT THE MAYOR
02:12:06 CAN APPOINT FOUR, INCLUDING THE NAACP PERSON.
02:12:11 I THINK THAT WILL TIP THE SCALES BACK TOWARD THE
02:12:14 COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND AWAY FROM THE MAYOR'S
02:12:17 OFFICE.
02:12:17 AND AGAIN, NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MAYOR.
02:12:19 I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MR. BRODY.
02:12:23 WHEN WE MAKE THESE CHANGES, IT'S FOREVER.
02:12:25 I MEAN NOT FOREVER, BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S FOR THE NEXT FIVE,
02:12:29 TEN, 15, 20 YEARS.
02:12:31 IT'S NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL.
02:12:32 NOT ABOUT MR. BRODY OR MS. GRIMES OR THE MAYOR OR
02:12:35 ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
02:12:36 THIS IS LONG-TERM. ANYWAY, I'LL STEP ASIDE F.YOU CAN
02:12:39 COME BACK TO ME AT THE VERY END, MR. CHAIRMAN, PROBABLY
02:12:43 HAVE ONE MORE MOTION.
02:12:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
02:12:45 COUNCILMAN VIERA, SIR.
02:12:46 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:12:49 I APPRECIATE IT.
02:12:50 YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT DEPENDS WHAT THE MEANING IS, SO TO
02:12:58 SPEAK.
02:12:59 COUNSEL IS ALWAYS INDEPENDENT, SHOULD BE.
02:13:01 AND MIND YOU, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE NO REASON TO
02:13:04 BELIEVE THAT ANY COUNCIL FROM THE -- COUNSEL FROM THE
02:13:08 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD NOT BE INDEPENDENT, ETHICAL,
02:13:11 ET CETERA.
02:13:11 THERE'S A PERCEPTION WHICH I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THAT I
02:13:14 THINK IS IMPORTANT.
02:13:15 BUT I THINK ABOUT THE WORK THAT I HAVE DONE, I HAVE
02:13:18 ALWAYS DONE CIVIL DEFENSE WORK AND OFTEN I AM RETAINED BY
02:13:21 INSURANCE COMPANIES, PAID BY THEM TO REPRESENT THEIR
02:13:23 INSUREDS IN ACCIDENTS.
02:13:24 LET'S SAY IT'S A MILLION DOLLAR POLICY, AND I'M PAID BY X
02:13:29 CARRIER TO REPRESENT THEIR INSURED, MY FIDELITY IS NOT TO
02:13:33 THE INSURANCE CARRIER, SHOULD NEVER BE, IT'S TO THEIR
02:13:36 INSURED, MY CLIENT, SO THAT'S AN ISSUE OF FIDELITY.
02:13:40 THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN I SERVED ON
02:13:43 THE CIVIL SERVICE REVIEW BOARD, WE HAD MR. DELENOR
02:13:45 STEWART AS OUR ATTORNEY, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THERESA
02:13:51 JEAN-PIERRE COY, I BELIEVE, IS THEIR ATTORNEY NOW.
02:13:56 SO OUTSIDE COUNSEL -- WHEN I SAY I DO NOT BELIEVE, I MEAN
02:14:00 NOT FROM LEGAL RESEARCH, I AM NOT READ TO BELIEVE THAT
02:14:03 WOULD REQUIRE ANYTHING AS LARGE AS A CHARTER AMENDMENT
02:14:06 AND TAKING THINGS TO VOTERS, THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS
02:14:08 LOOKING FOR.
02:14:09 AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
02:14:10 THIS CAN BE MERELY DONE THROUGH A TWEAK IN THE MOTION.
02:14:13 WHAT I AM LOOKING AT, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S
02:14:16 EXPENSES INVOLVED WITHIN THIS, ET CETERA, NO MORE --
02:14:21 CONTRACTED OUT NO MORE THAN TEN HOURS A MONTH, SAVE WITH
02:14:24 THE CONSENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AT $150 AN
02:14:27 HOUR.
02:14:28 THAT'S WHAT I AM SEEKING.
02:14:29 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE MEETINGS GO SIGNIFICANTLY MORE
02:14:35 THAN THAT.
02:14:36 MAYBE THEY DO.
02:14:38 IF THEY DO I WILL BE ENLIGHTENED ON THAT VERY SURE SOON,
02:14:42 I AM SURE.
02:14:43 SO I WILL BE MAKING THAT MOTION.
02:14:46 >>GINA GRIMES: I NEED TO ADDRESS THE CHANGES THAT YOU ARE
02:14:49 MAKING BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD.
02:14:52 I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU NOW, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL
02:14:55 CHANGES THAT I AM GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS.
02:14:59 THAT IS ONE OF THEM.
02:15:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MS. GRIMES.
02:15:13 >>GINA GRIMES: AS FAR AS AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE CITY
02:15:16 ATTORNEY TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S
02:15:22 OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF COUNCIL'S AUTHORITY TO DIRECT THE
02:15:25 AFFAIRS OF ANY DEPARTMENT, UNLESS IT'S EXPRESSLY PROVIDED
02:15:28 FOR IN THE CHARTER.
02:15:32 NOW, THAT INCLUDES DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
02:15:35 TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, AND FURTHERMORE, I THINK IT
02:15:41 WOULD BE INACCURATE TO ASSUME THAT THE ATTORNEY IS ONLY
02:15:45 GOING TO BE WORKING TEN HOURS A MONTH.
02:15:47 A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO
02:15:50 TRAIN THE BOARD MEMBERS AS TO THEIR DUTIES AND
02:15:54 RESPONSIBILITIES, FAR MORE THAN TEN HOURS A MONTH.
02:15:58 AND I DON'T KNOW ANY ATTORNEY THAT I AM GOING TO BE ABLE
02:16:00 TO HIRE FOR $150 AN HOUR.
02:16:03 SO WHILE IT SOUNDS GOOD, I DON'T THINK IT'S PRACTICAL AT
02:16:06 ALL.
02:16:07 BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD AGREE
02:16:10 TO.
02:16:10 I -- WE AGREE TO -- AND AGAIN, WE ARE GOING BACK TO WHAT
02:16:14 THE CHARTER SAYS, THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MANAGE
02:16:18 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND THAT IS THE CITY ATTORNEY -- WE
02:16:22 GO BACK TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DIRECT THE AFFAIRS OF
02:16:27 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND WE CAN'T, AND UNANIMOUS MORE
02:16:31 THAN YOU CAN DIRECT THE AFFAIRS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
02:16:34 OTHER THAN CHARTER.
02:16:35 AND THAT'S WHY THE MAYOR'S CONSENT AND APPROVAL IS
02:16:38 SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED WITH RESPECT TO THESE CHANGES.
02:16:42 SO I JUST NEED TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT.
02:16:47 THE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE
02:16:49 APPOINTMENTS, I CAN ADDRESS AT THE END, AFTER EVERYBODY'S
02:16:53 COMMENTS.
02:16:54 >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I, MR. CHAIR?
02:16:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
02:16:59 >>LUIS VIERA: AND MRS. GRIMES POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN.
02:17:02 AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH REGARDS TO THE HOUR OVER A
02:17:05 CERTAIN AMOUNT WOULD BE AT MS. GRIMES DISCRETION.
02:17:08 THERE ARE CERTAIN MOMENTS IN WHICH MORE WOULD BE
02:17:10 REQUIRED, MAYBE LESS WOULD BE REQUIRED, BUT IN REGARD TO
02:17:12 THE 150, COULD BE 160, 165.
02:17:15 THERE ARE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE ARE MANY ATTORNEYS IN
02:17:17 THE AREA OF INSURANCE LITIGATION WHO WORK IN THE 150
02:17:20 RANGE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD
02:17:23 ATTORNEY IS PAID, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT THERE ARE IF YOU GO TO
02:17:27 SOME OF THESE INSURANCE DEFENSE LAW FIRMS, AND WHATNOT,
02:17:30 WITH REGARDS TO THE APPOINTMENTS, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN
02:17:33 CARLSON WISHES TO MAKE A MOTION IN THAT REGARD.
02:17:36 MY POSITION IN THAT REGARD -- AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
02:17:40 I WILL GET TO THAT WHEN COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKS ABOUT
02:17:42 IT.
02:17:43 SO I WILL LET HIM MAKE THE MOTION BUT I HAVE A POSITION
02:17:45 IN THAT REGARD.
02:17:46 BUT MY MOTION WOULD BE TO DIRECT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE
02:17:51 CAN AS A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WITH REGARDS TO OUTSIDE
02:17:58 COUNSEL FOR THIS BOARD WITH FISCAL RESTRAINTS THAT ARE
02:18:01 AGREED UPON WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
02:18:04 AGAIN, VERY TINY CHANGE, BUT THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY
02:18:08 SIGNIFICANT.
02:18:08 THANK YOU.
02:18:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN --
02:18:13 >>GINA GRIMES: NOT TO REQUEST, RIGHT?
02:18:15 YOU CANNOT DIRECT THE AFFAIRS OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHO
02:18:21 LEAD THE DEPARTMENT WITH REGARD TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
02:18:25 IT'S NOT PERMITTED UNDER THE CHARTER.
02:18:28 >>LUIS VIERA: LET ME ASK OUR OWN COUNSEL, MR. SHELBY.
02:18:31 MAY I DO THAT AS A REQUEST OR A CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE,
02:18:35 SIR?
02:18:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, YOU CERTAINLY -- CLEARLY CAN DO
02:18:39 IT UNDER A REQUEST.
02:18:41 AND IF YOU DO DO IT AS DIRECTING, THEN YOU HEARD WHAT
02:18:44 WOULD BE IN FACT A WRITTEN RESPONSE OR A RESPONSE THAT
02:18:47 WOULD COME BACK IN THE FUTURE.
02:18:49 SO GOVERNING YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY.
02:18:52 AND OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR
02:18:55 NOT FOR CLARIFICATION SAKE, YOU HAD MENTIONED OTHER
02:18:59 ATTORNEYS ON OTHER BOARDS THAT WERE OUTSIDE, AND MAYBE
02:19:03 THE CLARIFICATION OR DISTINCTION THERE, BECAUSE THAT
02:19:05 MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY IT'S AVAILABLE FOR OTHER PLACES BUT
02:19:09 PERHAPS NOT FOR THIS BOARD.
02:19:11 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU.
02:19:11 WE CAN INQUIRE ON THAT.
02:19:13 WHAT I WILL DO AT THIS TIME IS TO MAKE A DIRECTION AND
02:19:16 THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION THAT WE
02:19:19 CAN BE INFORMED OF THAT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.
02:19:21 BUT AGAIN, WITH FISCAL CONTEXT AND RESTRAINTS TO BE
02:19:26 DETERMINED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD BE MY
02:19:29 MOTION, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS DO WHAT YOU ARE GOING
02:19:32 TO DO, ET CETERA, BUT JUST MERELY HAVING AN ATTORNEY WHO
02:19:36 IS AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL OUTSIDE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
02:19:40 OFFICE WITH FISCAL RESTRAINTS BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
02:19:42 OFFICE SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE IN
02:19:46 THAT REGARD.
02:19:47 AGAIN MY RATIONALE BEING THAT A LOT OF BOARDS HERE IN THE
02:19:49 CITY OF TAMPA, WHETHER BY STATUTE OR THE OTHER MEANS,
02:19:54 HAVE THEIR OWN OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
02:19:56 VERY SMALL MINOR ISSUE.
02:19:58 >>GINA GRIMES: THE ONLY BOARDS THAT HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL
02:20:05 ARE THOSE BOARDS WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE
02:20:09 CITY AND THE DUTY OF THE BOARD.
02:20:12 AND I PROVIDED THE FACT IN THIS DRAFT THAT IF THERE IS A
02:20:17 CONFLICT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD,
02:20:20 THEN WE WOULD ENGAGE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
02:20:24 AND WHERE THE CITY IS ACTUALLY PRACTICING A CASE IN FRONT
02:20:29 OF THAT BOARD.
02:20:29 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
02:20:31 AND I MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN BY THE WORD "MANY" BUT CORRECT
02:20:36 ME IF I AM WRONG, DOES OUR CIVIL SERVICE BOARD NOT HAVE
02:20:38 OUTSIDE SEPARATE OUTSIDE COUNSEL WHO IS RETAINED AND PAID
02:20:41 BY THE HOUR?
02:20:42 >> YES, BECAUSE IF THERE IS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE
02:20:45 POSITION OF THE CITY AND THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD.
02:20:47 THE BOARD IS MAKING A DECISION AND THE CITY IS
02:20:51 PROSECUTING EFFECTIVELY A CASE BEFORE THAT BOARD.
02:20:53 SO THERE IS A LEGAL CONFLICT.
02:20:58 >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL WITHDRAW THEN THE RATIONALE FOR IT IN
02:21:00 TERMS OF OTHER BOARDS, BUT I STILL THINK EVEN IF YOU TAKE
02:21:04 ASIDE MY APPARENTLY INCORRECT ASSUMPTION FOR THE
02:21:08 RATIONALE FOR THE SERVICE BOARD HAVING THEIR OWN
02:21:11 ATTORNEY, I STILL THINK GIVEN THE APPEARANCE TO BE SUCH
02:21:14 SENSITIVE ISSUES TO THE PUBLIC OF A CONFLICT THAT THAT
02:21:17 WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE SENSE AND MY MOTION STANDS, ALBEIT
02:21:20 WITH A DIFFERENT RATIONALE.
02:21:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO I CAN CLEAR MY HEAD.
02:21:25 MR. SHELBY IS THE CITY COUNCIL OUTSIDE COUNSEL, CORRECT?
02:21:33 MRS. GRIMES?
02:21:35 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
02:21:37 HE'S NOT OUTSIDE COUNSEL; HE'S AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF
02:21:38 TAMPA.
02:21:49 SAME AS MR. BRODY WOULD BE.
02:21:53 AS YOU ALL MAY RECALL, I EVEN OFFERED MR. SHELBY THE
02:21:56 OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THIS POSITION AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE
02:22:00 CRB, BUT HE DECLINED FROM PERCEIVED CONFLICT.
02:22:05 AND THAT'S WHY WE THEN FOLLOWED WITH ANOTHER ASSISTANT
02:22:10 CITY ATTORNEY, AND WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE LEGAL ADVICE
02:22:13 TO THE CRB.
02:22:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RECALL.
02:22:17 I WAS JUST ASKING.
02:22:18 I LIKE THE WAY MR. SHELBY DOES BUSINESS, REGARDLESS OF
02:22:21 WHATEVER CONFLICTS HE MAY HAVE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S
02:22:24 OFFICE, THE INTERPRETATION, HE MAKES SURE THE CITY
02:22:27 COUNCIL IS AWARE OF HIS RESPONSIBILITIES AND ROLES AND
02:22:30 RIGHTS.
02:22:30 SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND TRYING TO
02:22:33 GET A CLARIFICATION, MR. SHELBY VERSUS WHAT MR. VIERA OR
02:22:37 WHAT MR. DINGFELDER WAS TALKING ABOUT.
02:22:39 I YIELD BACK.
02:22:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, BUT TO FOLLOW UP, COUNCILMAN
02:22:44 GUDES, BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT.
02:22:46 THAT PROVISION FOR CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY IS EXPRESSLY
02:22:50 STATED IN YOUR CHARTER, THAT'S A CHARTER CREATED
02:22:54 PROVISION.
02:22:54 >>GINA GRIMES: RIGHT.
02:22:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THAT SETS FORTH THE DUTIES AND
02:23:00 RESPONSIBILITIES ALSO HONOR IN FACT THE CITY COUNCIL
02:23:04 ATTORNEY ANSWERS TO, SO THAT'S ALL SET FORTH IN THE
02:23:08 CHARTER.
02:23:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND I THINK YOUR POSITION IS BY THIS
02:23:15 COUNCIL, CORRECT?
02:23:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS HIRED BY THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,
02:23:19 AND I AM IN FACT AS MS. GRIMES STATED, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE
02:23:23 CITY, BUT MY DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE SET FORTH IN
02:23:26 THE CHARTER, AND YOU ARE MY CLIENTS, AND YOU ARE THE ONLY
02:23:29 PEOPLE WITHIN THIS CITY I ANSWER TO.
02:23:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.
02:23:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
02:23:36 THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME IS MR. BRODY, CORRECT?
02:23:42 >>GINA GRIMES: CORRECT.
02:23:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND HE WOULD BE DEDICATED TO
02:23:47 STRICTLY THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD?
02:23:51 I'M SORRY, CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD?
02:23:55 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
02:23:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
02:23:57 NOW, THE GENTLEMAN --
02:23:59 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. BRODY IS RIGHT HERE.
02:24:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE GENTLEMAN IS FROM PINELLAS, HAS
02:24:05 BEEN THERE 30 YEARS, HAS NO TIES TO THE POLICE
02:24:08 DEPARTMENT, AND IF I REMEMBER, I WASN'T HERE, BUT FROM
02:24:10 WHAT I WAS TOLD WHEN MR. SHELBY WAS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS
02:24:13 FOR THE POSITION HERE AT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, HE MAY OR
02:24:17 MAY NOT HAVE SAID -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT WORDS
02:24:20 WERE -- I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT, I'M NOT FROM
02:24:22 HERE.
02:24:23 SO I AM LOOKING AT IT AS THIS GENTLEMAN IS FROM PINELLAS,
02:24:26 HE'S NOT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE
02:24:28 POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BIAS IN THAT
02:24:35 SENSE BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY INDEPENDENT, BEING THAT -- HE'S
02:24:40 ANOTHER SET OF EYES THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE
02:24:42 OUTSIDE, IN MANY WAYS.
02:24:45 THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
02:24:49 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
02:24:50 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, THE MOTION MERELY
02:24:53 MAKES THE REQUEST, AND WE CAN HAVE THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN
02:24:57 NOW AND THE READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND WHATNOT WHERE WE
02:25:03 CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE
02:25:05 IMPLICATIONS OF THIS, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, BUT MY MOTION
02:25:09 STILL STANDS.
02:25:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
02:25:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECOND TO THE MOTION?
02:25:15 I'M SORRY.
02:25:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET.
02:25:16 COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE A MOTION.
02:25:18 IS THERE A SECOND?
02:25:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION?
02:25:21 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE.
02:25:22 MY MOTION IS TO HAVE -- STRIKE THAT -- TO HAVE CITY
02:25:25 COUNCIL REQUEST THAT THE CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD UNDER THE
02:25:30 AMENDED ORDINANCE HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE PRIVATELY
02:25:34 CONTRACTED REVIEW ATTORNEY WITH FISCAL CONSTRAINTS TO BE
02:25:38 CREATED AND GOVERNED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
02:25:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
02:25:43 VIERA, A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:25:45 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK I SEE YOUR HAND, SIR.
02:25:49 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AS WELL.
02:25:51 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN MIRANDA.
02:25:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THIS.
02:25:55 I WAS GOING TO SECOND THE MOTION JUST BECAUSE I THINK
02:25:59 PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THINGS TO BE VOTED
02:26:03 ON.
02:26:03 BUT I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION JUST BECAUSE I
02:26:05 KNEW WE WERE GOING TO RUN INTO THIS ISSUE FOR THE CITY
02:26:09 ATTORNEY'S CHARTER OF POWERS AND MRS. GRIMES FEELS VERY
02:26:12 STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
02:26:13 I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GET RESOLVED BETWEEN NOW AND
02:26:15 EVER, BECAUSE OF HOW STRONGLY SHE FEELS ABOUT IT FROM A
02:26:19 LEGAL PERSPECTIVE.
02:26:21 THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THAT ON TWO MAJOR ISSUES OF
02:26:24 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND ALSO SUBPOENA POWERS WHICH I AM
02:26:28 GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE THAT WE AS A BOARD, THESE
02:26:32 ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN'T BE
02:26:35 RESOLVED WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, THAT BOTH OF THOSE
02:26:38 ISSUES SHOULD BE PUT ON THE BALLOT.
02:26:40 AND THAT'S WHY MR. VIERA, YOU AND I BOTH AGREE WE SHOULD
02:26:45 HAVE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, WE JUST DISAGREE ON HOW WE GET
02:26:49 THERE.
02:26:50 BUT I THINK WE LET THE COMMUNITY DECIDE THROUGH THEIR
02:26:56 BALLOT WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT OR NOT.
02:27:00 I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I WOULD VOTE NO.
02:27:02 I APOLOGIZE.
02:27:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THEN COUNCILMAN
02:27:06 GUDES.
02:27:06 YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
02:27:08 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I REMEMBER WHAT THE CHARTER SAYS,
02:27:13 THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THE ATTORNEY FOR BOTH, THE
02:27:15 ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
02:27:18 AM I CORRECT?
02:27:22 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT'S CORRECT.
02:27:23 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEN GO FROM THERE, THAT'S CORRECT,
02:27:26 AND WHAT I SEE COULD BE COMING IS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
02:27:29 ANOTHER NAIL THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE NOW, CHARTER,
02:27:38 THEIR OWN CITY ATTORNEY, AND NO MATTER HOW LONG I HAVE
02:27:41 BEEN HERE, I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE CITY ATTORNEY BE IN ANY
02:27:46 WAY BIASED.
02:27:49 MAYBE SOMEBODY THINKS DIFFERENTLY.
02:27:51 BUT TO ME, AT TIMES THEY RULED AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBERS,
02:28:04 AGAINST THEIR OWN ADMINISTRATION.
02:28:05 I HAVE SEEN BOTH SIDES.
02:28:07 AND THEN AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT I HEARD, IF I UNDERSTAND
02:28:10 EVERYTHING I HEARD, THIS CITY ATTORNEY IS SAYING THAT IT
02:28:13 IS AGAINST THE CHARTER, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE
02:28:17 TRYING TO DO.
02:28:18 BUT YET WE WANT TO DO IT.
02:28:20 SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY TO SEE WHO IS
02:28:23 WHO, AND FOR WHAT.
02:28:24 WHAT IS THE FIGHT ABOUT?
02:28:29 THEY HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU NAMED THE INDIVIDUAL, HE'S
02:28:33 EXPERIENCED HE DOES NOT WORK FOR THE TAMPA POLICE
02:28:35 DEPARTMENT, HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA.
02:28:44 SO WHAT AM I HERE FOR?
02:28:47 FOR OVER 40 MINUTES I HEARD TALKING ON ONE ISSUE AND WE
02:28:52 HAVEN'T DONE A DAMN THING.
02:28:54 WHAT'S WRONG WITH US?
02:28:56 FORGET ABOUT THE ATTORNEYS.
02:28:57 WHAT'S WRONG WITH US?
02:29:02 IS IT GOOD OR IS IT BAD?
02:29:05 DOES IT GO TO THE CHARTER?
02:29:06 PUT IT UP IN THE CHARTER IN THE NEXT ELECTION AND SEE
02:29:08 WHAT HAPPENS.
02:29:10 SO WHAT ARE WE DOING?
02:29:11 WE ARE GOING TO STILL MAKE THIS THING ALL DAY ALL NIGHT
02:29:14 AND COME UP WITH NOTHING?
02:29:17 LET THE PUBLIC VOTE WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE.
02:29:21 BUT FOR NOW, WE CAN TALK THIS UNTIL THE GREYHOUNDS COME
02:29:25 HOME.
02:29:27 AND THE GREYHOUND RUN REAL FAST.
02:29:34 SO WHERE ARE WE GOING?
02:29:36 LET'S HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE THERE.
02:29:38 AND LET'S GET THIS THING SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS
02:29:41 EXACTLY WHAT WE DO.
02:29:42 DON'T GET STUCK WITH THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
02:29:46 IS IT AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PAST?
02:29:48 AND I AM SURE IN THE FUTURE IT WILL BE AMENDED.
02:29:51 SO WHAT? THAT'S NORMAL.
02:29:53 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH LIFE.
02:29:56 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:29:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN
02:29:59 MIRANDA.
02:30:00 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:30:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A POINT WELL TAKEN.
02:30:04 I THINK MR. VIERA HAS A GOOD MOTION ON THE FLOOR, I THINK
02:30:08 YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION FOR A CHARTER
02:30:11 AMENDMENT, AS MR. MIRANDA SAID, THAT'S A MOTION TO WHERE
02:30:14 WE SUPPORT THAT WE MOVE ON, BUT THEN WE CAN'T VOTE ON
02:30:20 THIS PARTICULAR THING RIGHT NOW, AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE
02:30:26 A CHARTER AMENDMENT BALLOT, I THINK THAT'S A DIFFERENT
02:30:29 MOTION.
02:30:30 JUST MY OPINION.
02:30:30 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, I WILL AMEND MY MOTION.
02:30:34 BECAUSE AGAIN I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
02:30:36 I HAVEN'T HAD THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION ON THIS NARROWLY
02:30:39 TAILORED ISSUE AS TO THE CHARTER RELEVANCY WITH THE ISSUE
02:30:43 OF AN ATTORNEY.
02:30:44 SO WHAT I AM DOING MY MOTION ON IS TO MAKE THAT REQUEST
02:30:47 WITH A REPORT TO BE GIVEN TO US WHEN THIS ISSUE COMES
02:30:50 BACK TO US SO IT ISN'T CONTINUALLY LIVING ON FOREVER ON
02:30:55 WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT, OR WHAT
02:30:58 OTHER STEPS WE NEED TO DO.
02:30:59 IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED TO GET THE BALL
02:31:03 ROLLING WITH A CHARTER AMENDMENT, THIS WILL ACTUALLY
02:31:05 BEGIN TO DO THAT, IF THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
02:31:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
02:31:11 VIERA WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:31:14 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:31:14 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:31:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:31:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
02:31:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
02:31:23 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:31:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NO.
02:31:27 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
02:31:31 >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA
02:31:35 VOTING NO, COUNCILMEMBER CITRO VOTING NO, COUNCILMEMBER
02:31:40 MANISCALCO VOTING NO, COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
02:31:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S THE NEXT MOTION?
02:31:47 >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU ALL WANT TO GET FEEDBACK BEFORE I
02:31:57 MAKE A MOTION, YOU CAN.
02:31:59 BUT MY MOTION WOULD BE TO AMEND THE PROPOSAL TO CHANGE
02:32:05 THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD TO BE SEVEN REPRESENTATIVES
02:32:09 APPOINTED ONE BY EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND FOUR BY THE
02:32:13 MAYOR OF WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE NAACP REPRESENTATIVE.
02:32:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
02:32:21 I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH THE SECOND.
02:32:25 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:32:29 DISCUSSION, COUNCILMAN VIERA?
02:32:31 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST REALLY FAST ON THIS.
02:32:33 I DO SUPPORT A MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS AS I SAID
02:32:35 FROM DAY ONE BY TAMPA CITY COUNCIL BUT THERE MUST BE A
02:32:38 METHOD BY WHICH WE ALLOW THE BOARD MEMBERS TO TRANSITION
02:32:41 OFF.
02:32:42 I DO NOT SEE THAT AND HOW THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS
02:32:46 MOTION.
02:32:46 I THINK THAT A SPLIT OF FIVE-FOUR, SIX-FIVE, WHATEVER IT
02:32:52 MAY BE, WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN THIS.
02:32:54 I THINK THAT A SEVEN-TO-ONE SPLIT GOES FROM ONE EXTREME
02:32:57 TO THE OTHER.
02:32:58 AGAIN, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE
02:33:00 VOTES, BUT I THINK THAT THIS DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH DUE
02:33:03 DEFERENCE TO THE SERVICE OF THE FOLKS ON THE BOARD AND IT
02:33:06 GOES TO ANOTHER EXTREME, IN MY OPINION.
02:33:08 THANK YOU.
02:33:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER.
02:33:15 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ONLY WAY I SECOND THAT, THERE'S
02:33:18 EIGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE CITY, ONE MAYOR AND SEVEN
02:33:21 COUNCIL MEMBERS.
02:33:21 SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, COUNCIL MEMBERS GET ONE VOTE,
02:33:26 WHOEVER THEY CHOSE TO PUT ON THAT BOARD, AND THE MAYOR
02:33:29 HAS GOT FOUR.
02:33:30 I THINK THAT'S EQUITY.
02:33:31 I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S NO WAY A SLAP AT THIS ADMINISTRATION
02:33:35 OR THIS MAYOR OR ANYONE ELSE.
02:33:39 THIS IS ANOTHER CHANGE THAT I SAID SHOULD BE CHANGED AND
02:33:43 WHO KNOWS WHAT THE NEXT COUNCIL IN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS
02:33:45 FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW IS GOING TO DO, BUT I
02:33:48 THINK IT'S INEVITABLE AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THE ONES THAT
02:33:52 THEY'RE NOW WE ARE GOING TO TRANSITION THEM OFF, I CAN
02:33:55 GUARANTEE YOU THAT.
02:33:56 THANK YOU.
02:33:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DINGFELDER, YES, SIR.
02:34:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:34:01 JUST TO CLARIFY THE MOTION ALONG THOSE LINES.
02:34:04 THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WAS MR. CARLSON.
02:34:08 TO CLARIFY, ONE OF THE MAYOR'S FOUR VOTES WOULD BE THE
02:34:13 NAACP POSITION.
02:34:15 THAT'S A QUESTION, MR. CARLSON.
02:34:17 AND THE SECOND QUESTION RELATES TO MR. VIERA'S VERY
02:34:22 SENSIBLE REQUEST THAT WE WOULD DIRECT LEGAL STAFF TO
02:34:25 BUILD IN SOME TRANSITION LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT NO
02:34:29 EXISTING PERSON GOT BUMPED OFF.
02:34:33 IN OTHER WORDS, THEY GET TO SERVE OUT THEIR TERM.
02:34:35 >>BILL CARLSON: THE ANSWER TO THE FIRST ONE IS YES, AND
02:34:38 I THINK YOU KIND OF PUT THIS IN BETTER WORDS A WHILE AGO
02:34:41 THAN I DID, SO I WILL USE YOUR WORDS, BUT THE APPOINTMENT
02:34:45 OF NAACP PERSON WAS A SUGGESTION OF THE MAYOR ANYWAY SO
02:34:47 THAT WAY THE MAYOR COULD WORK WITH NAACP TO FIGURE OUT
02:34:52 WHO THE BEST REPRESENTATIVE IS.
02:34:53 AND TO COUNCILMAN VIERA'S POINT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE
02:34:58 MECHANISM.
02:34:59 WE CAN WORK THAT OUT LATER.
02:35:00 BUT WHAT IF WE JUST ADDED TO BE APPOINTED UPON THE
02:35:04 EXPIRATION OF THE TERMS OF THE CURRENT REPRESENTATIVES?
02:35:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EXACTLY.
02:35:13 PERFECT.
02:35:14 SOUNDS GOOD.
02:35:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
02:35:15 >>BILL CARLSON: OR WHEN VACANCIES APPEAR.
02:35:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON MADE THE MOTION.
02:35:22 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:35:23 REAL QUICK.
02:35:25 WE ARE SEVEN ELECTED CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS BY THE PEOPLE.
02:35:28 I THINK THIS IS FAIR.
02:35:30 THE MAYOR WILL HAVE THREE.
02:35:31 THEN THERE'S THE NAACP.
02:35:33 THE MAYOR IS HEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
02:35:38 DOES IS THE CHIEF POLICE OR MAYOR ABOVE THAT?
02:35:41 I THINK THIS IS EQUITABLE.
02:35:43 COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS.
02:35:45 BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION SIX YEARS
02:35:47 AGO.
02:35:48 THERE WAS A STRUGGLE THERE.
02:35:49 THERE WAS A FIGHT THERE.
02:35:51 I THINK THIS IS FAIR AND BALANCED.
02:35:55 I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
02:35:57 SO I AM GOING TO DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS.
02:36:00 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON, SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
02:36:03 MIRANDA.
02:36:03 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:36:04 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, I WANT TO SEE MORE SPECIFICS
02:36:08 ON THIS AGAIN.
02:36:09 I HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THERE HAS TO BE A GOOD
02:36:11 TRANSITION FOR BOARD MEMBERS, AND THIS IS GOING TO PASS,
02:36:14 BUT I WANT TO SEE MORE SPECIFICS ON THIS BEFORE I COULD
02:36:17 SUPPORT THIS.
02:36:20 SO THIS IS THE GODFATHER PART 1.
02:36:23 WHEN THE GODFATHER COMES OUT, GODFATHER 2 COMES OUT I AM
02:36:29 GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.
02:36:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
02:36:33 I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. VIERA.
02:36:36 OR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
02:36:38 IN TERMS OF ALLOWING WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY COMES BACK,
02:36:42 SOME LATITUDE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT THE CITY
02:36:44 COUNCIL'S INTENTION IS TO CREATE THE MECHANISM AND THE
02:36:46 LANGUAGE FOR THAT, TO HAVE -- RATHER THAN BE SPECIFIC TO
02:36:51 THE MOTION.
02:36:52 I AM WONDERING IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER.
02:36:55 WHATEVER COUNCIL'S INTENT IS, I WANT TO THE BE CLEAR TO
02:36:57 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHAT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS.
02:37:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, AND I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT.
02:37:02 THAT'S ALL.
02:37:03 THAT'S ALL.
02:37:04 WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE ALL SHARE OUT OF RESPECT FOR ALL
02:37:06 THE PEOPLE THAT SERVE THERE RIGHT NOW, I JUST WANT TO SEE
02:37:09 THAT BEFORE SUPPORTING GOING DOWN THIS ROUTE.
02:37:12 THAT'S ALL.
02:37:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO YOU WANT TO LAY THOSE OUT?
02:37:19 THAT WAY THE CITY ATTORNEY KNOWS HOW --
02:37:22 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GET TO BE
02:37:24 WORKED OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING.
02:37:26 AND WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO IT HERE RIGHT NOW.
02:37:30 IN MY OPINION BECAUSE IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE TOO LONG.
02:37:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, SIR.
02:37:35 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD JUST ADD.
02:37:37 EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT
02:37:40 ARE ON THE BOARD NOW.
02:37:41 AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY OF THEM.
02:37:44 AND I KNOW MANY OF THEM, AND THEY ARE VERY RESPECTABLE
02:37:48 PEOPLE.
02:37:48 SO I ECHO THE SAME CONCERNS.
02:37:50 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO SERVE OUT THEIR
02:37:53 TERM.
02:37:53 THAT'S WHY I ADD THAT OTHER PART.
02:37:55 SO THANK YOU.
02:37:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON HAS THE MOTION, SECOND BY
02:37:59 MIRANDA.
02:37:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:38:00 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.
02:38:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:38:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:38:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:38:08 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:38:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:38:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:38:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH COUNCILMEMBER VIERA
02:38:15 VOTING NO.
02:38:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU
02:38:19 HAVE YOUR MOTION, SIR?
02:38:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A COUPLE OF THEM.
02:38:25 NUMBER ONE, UNLESS COUNCILMAN GUDES WANTS TO MAKE IT
02:38:29 SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER, BUT THAT LEGAL
02:38:33 DEPARTMENT MAKE IT ABUNDANTLY AND EXPRESSLY CLEAR THAT
02:38:37 THIS NEW ORDINANCE COMPLETELY AND 100% SUPERSEDES THE
02:38:42 EXISTING ORDINANCE IN EVERY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
02:38:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
02:38:47 MAKE THAT MOTION?
02:38:48 YOU BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE.
02:38:55 >>GINA GRIMES: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL THAT WE
02:38:58 DISCUSSED THIS AT THE NOVEMBER WORKSHOP.
02:39:01 I AM THE ONE THAT PROPOSED THAT WE PRESENT BOTH AN
02:39:05 ORDINANCE AND AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT REPEALS THE 2015
02:39:11 ORDINANCE AND THE 2015 EXECUTIVE ORDER.
02:39:17 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT THE
02:39:19 ORDINANCES, AND THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT I PRESENTED TO
02:39:22 YOU, BUT IT DOES ALREADY SAY WHAT WE ARE WHAT YOU ARE
02:39:26 ASKING ME TO DRAFT, TO SAY THAT IT IS REPEALED, AND
02:39:30 SUPERSEDES THE EARLIER 2015 ORDINANCE AND THE EARLIER
02:39:35 2015 EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND THE INTENT BEHIND THAT WAS THAT
02:39:40 WE WANTED TO WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN AND REMOVE ANY OF THE
02:39:46 STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE THE
02:39:50 CRB.
02:39:51 SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CHARTER HAS
02:39:54 CHANGED SINCE THIS DISCUSSION REGARDING CREATION OF THE
02:39:58 CRB OCCURRED IN 2015.
02:40:00 SO THERE IS NO QUESTION IN 2015 WHO HAD THE POWER TO
02:40:06 CREATE THE CRB.
02:40:08 THE CHARTER HAS BEEN CHANGED AND IT'S CLEAR BOTH THE CITY
02:40:11 COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR EACH HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE A
02:40:16 BOARD.
02:40:18 HOWEVER, WHICHEVER ENTITY CREATES THE BOARD, IT'S SUBJECT
02:40:25 TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.
02:40:26 IF IT'S THE MAYOR THAT CREATES THE BOARD, OUR EXECUTIVE
02:40:30 ORDER IS SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL.
02:40:32 SO EVEN WITH ALL THESE CHANGES THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING, I
02:40:35 JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT TV CREATION OF THE CRB IN
02:40:42 THE FORM THAT IT'S NOW DRAFTED AND WITH THESE ADDITIONAL
02:40:45 CHANGES, IT'S STILL SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR
02:40:49 AT THE END OF THE OKAY.
02:40:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR.
02:40:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN THEN COUNCILMAN
02:40:56 DINGFELDER.
02:40:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SIT ON THAT CHARTER REVIEW, AND I
02:41:00 DON'T REMEMBER THAT VERBIAGE.
02:41:02 I DON'T REMEMBER THAT THE MAYOR WOULD HAVE POWERS OVER
02:41:04 THE --
02:41:06 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK SOMEBODY SLID IT IN.
02:41:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RIGHT.
02:41:09 BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THE CHARTER REVIEW.
02:41:11 AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY BE THE INTERPRETATION AT THIS
02:41:16 PARTICULAR POINT, BUT I ASSURE YOU, IN THE NECESSARY
02:41:19 FOUGHT I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT MR. SHELBY
02:41:26 COUNSEL TAKE LOOK AT THAT ISSUE.
02:41:29 WE HAVE TO HAVE SEPARATION OF POWERS.
02:41:31 WE CANNOT HAVE 2001 THINGS INTERTWINED.
02:41:34 AND I BELIEVE THAT THE FORMER ATTORNEY, I DON'T WANT
02:41:37 TO -- I DON'T RECALL THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION SAYING
02:41:41 THAT WE HAVE INTERTWINED POWERS THAT WAY.
02:41:44 IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
02:41:45 AND I KNOW I HAVE TWO OTHER MEMBERS -- SO MR. SHELBY, I
02:41:52 WILL SEND YOU A MEMO RELATIVE TO GETTING WITH MS. GRIMES,
02:41:55 BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
02:41:57 I AM JUST SAYING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
02:42:06 >>GINA GRIMES: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IN LISTENING TO THE
02:42:09 AUDIO TAPES FROM THOSE CHARTER REVIEW BOARDS HEARINGS, I
02:42:15 HAD TWO OTHER ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEYS HERE LISTENING TO
02:42:18 THEM AS WELL, AND IT WAS CLEAR TO BE ME AND TO US THAT
02:42:22 THE INTENT WAS TO CREATE AN EQUAL AUTHORITY IN THE CITY
02:42:27 COUNCIL AS EXISTED IN THE MAYOR, THE MAYOR -- WITHOUT THE
02:42:32 APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND LIKEWISE IT WAS
02:42:35 INTENDED TO CREATE THAT SAME POWER FOR CITY COUNCIL WHICH
02:42:38 WAS TO GIVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE A BOARD UPON THE
02:42:42 APPROVAL OF THE MAYOR.
02:42:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT THAT.
02:42:48 I RESPECT THAT.
02:42:49 BUT IN MY MIND, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WAS WHERE WE
02:42:54 INTENDED TO GO.
02:42:54 BUT IF THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, FINE.
02:42:56 I SEE AT THIS POINT A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS GOING DOWN THE
02:42:59 ROAD AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AT ANOTHER TIME.
02:43:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, I SAW YOUR HAND UP.
02:43:06 THEN MR. DINGFELDER, SIR.
02:43:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE WAY
02:43:11 THIS IS BEING BROUGHT FORTH AND PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, I
02:43:15 APPRECIATE MS. GRIMES SUPERSEDING, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR
02:43:19 INTENT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WAS -- AND I BELIEVE I HAD THE
02:43:22 OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, TO BE
02:43:26 ABLE TO FLUSH OUT PERHAPS THE WHEREAS CLAUSES, AND ALSO
02:43:31 JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, THE WORD IN ITS ENTIRETY, THERE'S
02:43:35 NO QUESTION IN CITY COUNCIL'S MIND OR FUTURE CITY
02:43:38 ATTORNEY'S MIND OR THE PUBLIC'S MIND AS TO THE EFFECT OF
02:43:40 THE 2015 ORDINANCE, AND WHATEVER PROBLEMS WERE DELINEATED
02:43:45 BY THAT ORDINANCE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMO OF
02:43:50 SEPTEMBER 2020 IS THAT REIGN NOW RENDERED MOOT BECAUSE
02:43:54 THAT ORDINANCE IS NOW SUPERCEDED BY WHATEVER IS GOING TO
02:43:56 BE FORTHCOMING.
02:43:57 SO COUNCILMAN GUDES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTION.
02:44:01 I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT WITH MS. GRIMES,
02:44:03 AND BETWEEN NOW AND WHENEVER IT COMES BACK FOR FIRST
02:44:06 READING, I CERTAINLY WILL WORK CLOSELY, AND GIVE HER A
02:44:09 DRAFT AND LET HER REVIEW THAT TO SEE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE
02:44:12 TO INCORPORATE, WHICH I THINK WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
02:44:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:44:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA SAID WE DON'T HAVE TIME
02:44:21 TODAY TO GET INTO THESE DISPUTES BETWEEN -- THAT MIGHT
02:44:28 EXIST UPON INTERPRETATION.
02:44:29 I WILL SAY, MS. GRIMES, THAT WE HAVE A CONFLICT WITH ONE
02:44:35 OF THE KEY PROVISIONS OF THE CHARTER THAT SAYS THAT CITY
02:44:37 COUNCIL -- IS THE SOLE LEGISLATIVE BODY.
02:44:41 THERE'S NO EXCEPTIONS ON THAT PROVISION.
02:44:44 I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME BUT I AM PRETTY SURE I
02:44:47 READ IT 30 TIMES AT LEAST.
02:44:49 >>GINA GRIMES: THERE IS.
02:44:50 THERE IS AN EXCEPTION.
02:44:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE THE SOLE LEGISLATIVE
02:44:53 AUTHORITY.
02:44:54 BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT, OKAY.
02:44:56 BOTTOM LINE IS, THAT OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERING
02:45:01 OPINIONS BOUNCING AROUND THIS ISSUE AND THESE ISSUES.
02:45:06 OKAY?
02:45:08 THEY DID NEED TO GET RESOLVED IN THE CHARTER CHANGE.
02:45:14 IN REGARD TO THE MOTION THAT I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE, AND I
02:45:17 WILL SOFTEN UP THE MOTION A BIT AND JUST DIRECT MR.
02:45:20 SHELBY TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT
02:45:24 IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THE ORDINANCE WE ARE
02:45:28 DOCUMENTING PASS, 100% SUPERSEDE THE PRIOR ORDINANCE.
02:45:35 THAT'S MY MOTION.
02:45:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WE HAVE YOUR MOTION ON THE
02:45:39 FLOOR, DIDN'T WE?
02:45:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION.
02:45:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU DIDN'T?
02:45:44 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
02:45:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THERE A SECOND?
02:45:49 >> SECOND.
02:45:49 >>BILL CARLSON: THERE WERE THINGS, DISCUSSION FOR
02:45:53 ANOTHER DAY IS WHAT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THE
02:45:55 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
02:45:57 SEVERAL OF US WERE ON IT.
02:45:58 THINGS POPPED UP THAT I THINK SEVERAL OF US DON'T
02:46:02 REMEMBER HAPPENED, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN THOSE
02:46:08 MEETINGS, ANYBODY WHO GOES BACK AND WATCHES THEM, THEY
02:46:11 WILL SEE THAT THE FORMER CITY ATTORNEY ESSENTIALLY YELLED
02:46:13 AT ME FROM THE DAIS, AND ARGUED WITH ME ABOUT HOW I WAS
02:46:18 TRYING TO BALANCE THE POWERS BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND THE
02:46:20 MAYOR, AND I SAID THAT'S WHAT CITY COUNCIL ASKED US TO
02:46:23 DO.
02:46:24 SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
02:46:26 WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE
02:46:29 HAVING MS. GRIMES, AND I HAVE KNOWN HER FOR A LONG TIME
02:46:34 AND I TRUST HER.
02:46:35 I ALWAYS TRY TO TAKE LEGAL ADVICE, UNLESS I DON'T TRUST
02:46:38 SOMEONE, AND SO I AM LISTENING TO HER ADVICE.
02:46:42 THE GOOD THING IN THIS SITUATION IS EVEN IF WE DON'T
02:46:45 AGREE WITH THE UNDERLYING PREMISE, MS. GRIMES, HER TEAM,
02:46:50 CHIEF BENNETT, WHO WE HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET, AND THE
02:46:53 MAYOR HERSELF HAVE ALL AGREED WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT
02:46:56 WE AND THE COMMUNITY PUT ON THE TABLE.
02:46:59 THEY LISTENED TO ALL SIDES AND PUT EVERYTHING ON THE
02:47:02 TABLE AND I FEEL CONFIDENT, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE TWEAKING
02:47:04 THIS SOME, AND EVEN CHANGING SOME OF THE PERCEIVED
02:47:09 POWERS, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT TEAM WILL COME BACK
02:47:12 AND THEY WILL WORK WITH US ON IT.
02:47:14 AND EITHER ACCEPT IT OR WORK WITH US. SO I WOULD LIKE TO
02:47:17 PUT THESE PROPOSALS FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH, AND HOPE TO
02:47:20 HEAR GOOD NEWS WHENEVER IT COMES BACK, AND JUST THANKS
02:47:24 AGAIN TO EVERYBODY FOR YOUR ETHICS AND HONOR IN WORKING
02:47:27 ON THIS.
02:47:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, YES, COUNCILMAN
02:47:30 DINGFELDER.
02:47:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE DIDN'T VOTE ON THAT YET.
02:47:35 WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
02:47:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE'S A MOTION AND I AM GOING TO
02:47:38 GET A SECOND.
02:47:38 COUNCILMAN GUDES MADE THE SECOND.
02:47:41 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:47:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:47:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:47:52 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:47:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:47:58 >>LUIS VIERA: THIS WAS ON SUPERSEDING, CORRECT?
02:48:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
02:48:01 >>THE CLERK: YES, SIR.
02:48:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:48:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:48:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:48:07 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:48:08 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:48:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
02:48:15 I WANTED TO ADDRESS MY TWO LITTLE CLEAN-UP ITEMS.
02:48:18 I KNOW NOT A LOT MUCH ENTHUSIASM AROUND THE TABLE BUT I
02:48:22 THINK THEY ARE IMPORTANT.
02:48:23 NUMBER ONE RELATED TO MISDEMEANORS.
02:48:27 I THINK POSSIBLY SOMEONE ARRESTED FOR A MISDEMEANOR AND
02:48:31 NOT CONVICTED, THEY SHOULDN'T BE THROWN OFF THE PANEL.
02:48:34 WHAT IF SOMEBODY IS SITTING OTHER PANEL, LUIS, AND THEY
02:48:37 GET ARRESTED FOR SOME LITTLE MISDEMEANOR AND ULTIMATELY
02:48:39 THE MISDEMEANOR IS DISCHARGED OR DISMISSED, DO THEY GET
02:48:43 THROWN OFF THE PANEL?
02:48:44 THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY READS.
02:48:47 SO I WOULD JUST SAY, WE WOULD PRECLUDE SOMEBODY IF THEY
02:48:50 HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A MISDEMEANOR BUT NOT NECESSARILY
02:48:53 JUST ARRESTED FOR A MISDEMEANOR.
02:48:55 SO I NEED TO MAKE IT AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. I WOULD
02:48:58 DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO CLARIFY THAT PROVISION, SO
02:49:02 A MERE MISDEMEANOR ARREST DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEBODY FROM
02:49:06 SERVING, ONLY A MISDEMEANOR CONVICTION.
02:49:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
02:49:12 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
02:49:15 I AM GOING TO --
02:49:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
02:49:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:49:21 ANY DISCUSSION?
02:49:25 >>LUIS VIERA: SO RIGHT NOW, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IF
02:49:26 THEY HAVE BEEN ARRESTED THEY HAVE TO WAIT, WHAT WAS IT,
02:49:29 TWO YEARS?
02:49:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CORRECT.
02:49:32 THAT'S WHAT MS. GRIMES TOLD US OR MS. RICHARDSON.
02:49:35 >>GINA GRIMES: THAT'S CORRECT.
02:49:37 >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN, WAITING TWO YEARS DOESN'T PRECLUDE
02:49:40 THEM FOREVER FROM SERVING ON THE BOARD.
02:49:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT MEANS THEY GET THROWN OFF THE
02:49:46 BOARD IF THEY GOT ARRESTED AND NOT CONVICTED.
02:49:49 IT'S THE WAY IT READS RIGHT NOW.
02:49:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
02:49:58 DINGFELDER.
02:49:58 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:49:59 SOMETIMES PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.
02:50:01 AND NOT TO THROW THE BOOK AT THEM JUST BECAUSE OF THAT.
02:50:06 WE ARE HUMAN.
02:50:09 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:50:10 WAIT, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:50:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE IT CORRECT.
02:50:16 THE PERSON IS ARRESTED OF A MISDEMEANOR BUT NOT
02:50:20 CONVICTED.
02:50:22 BUT DURING THAT TIME, ARE WE SAYING THAT PERSON IS
02:50:26 DISMISSED UNTIL THAT CASE IS CLEARED?
02:50:29 SO MANY MONTHS OR DAYS TO GET THAT CLEARED UP?
02:50:34 WHAT ARE WE SAYING?
02:50:36 I THINK IF YOU GOT ARRESTED, IF YOU GOT ARRESTED, YOU
02:50:41 KNOW, HERE IN THE CITY IF YOU ARE ARRESTED YOU HAVE TO GO
02:50:47 THROUGH A PROCESS, AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU ARE SUSPENDED
02:50:50 WITHOUT PAY UNTIL THE OUTCOME OF THAT IS DONE.
02:50:53 I THINK THAT'S FAIR BECAUSE YOU HAVE TIME TO HAVE DO WHAT
02:50:59 YOU NEED TO, DO BUT YOU SHOULDN'T BE SITTING ON A BOARD
02:51:02 IF YOU WERE ARRESTED AND PENDING SOME CHARGES HOW LONG
02:51:05 YOU ARE GOING TO WAIT.
02:51:06 THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE.
02:51:11 HOW LONG DO YOU WAIT TO GIVE THEM A PERIOD TO CLEAN THAT
02:51:14 UP AND THEY ARE SERVING ON A BOARD THAT DEALS WITH POLICE
02:51:17 ISSUES, CITIZEN ISSUES?
02:51:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:51:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
02:51:23 IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COPS WHATSOEVER.
02:51:25 ORLANDO, LET'S SAY THAT SOMEBODY GETS A MISDEMEANOR FOR A
02:51:29 TRESPASS BECAUSE THEY WALKED ON THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY
02:51:31 AND THEIR NEIGHBOR FILED A TRESPASS AGAINST THEM.
02:51:34 THAT'S A THIRD DEGREE MISDEMEANOR TODAY, INCONSEQUENTIAL,
02:51:38 BUT NOW IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE SERVING ON THIS BOARD, ALL
02:51:41 OF A SUDDEN, WORKING -- [INDISCERNIBLE]
02:51:57 THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
02:51:58 ALL I AM SAYING -- LET ME FINISH, PLEASE.
02:52:01 ALL I AM SAYING IS IF THEY GET CONVICTED OF A MISDEMEANOR
02:52:05 THEN THEY CAN GET THROWN OFF THE BOARD, INELIGIBLE TO
02:52:09 SERVE ON THE BOARD FOR TWO YEARS, BUT WHAT WHERE IS THE
02:52:12 SUGGESTIONS OF INNOCENCE?
02:52:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AGREE WITH YOU.
02:52:15 I AM NOT SAYING THAT.
02:52:16 I AM SAYING IF YOU ARE ARRESTED FOR TRESPASSING, OR JAY
02:52:19 WALKING, WHATEVER, BUT IF YOU ARE ARRESTED JUST SITTING
02:52:21 ON THIS TYPE OF A BOARD, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD
02:52:28 NEED A GRACE PERIOD.
02:52:30 I AM NOMINATE SAYING KICK THE PERSON OFF, BUT WITH
02:52:32 ANYTHING, WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
02:52:34 IF YOU ARE ARRESTED FOR WHATEVER, YOU HAVE 30, 60
02:52:37 INDICATION TO GET THAT CLEARED UP OR WHATEVER BEFORE
02:52:39 ANYTHING ELSE IS IMPOSED.
02:52:41 THESE ALL I AM SAYING.
02:52:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAD YOUR HAND
02:52:44 UP.
02:52:46 >>GINA GRIMES: IF I COULD CHIME IN.
02:52:47 >>URSULA RICHARDSON: THIS IS URSULA.
02:52:52 FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE DISCUSSION, E-1-F, IF YOU LOOK AT
02:52:55 THE LANGUAGE, ALL WE ARE ASKING TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT,
02:52:58 IF YOU WERE ARRESTED FOR A MISDEMEANOR THAT OVER IN
02:53:05 ST. PETERSBURG OR TEMPLE TERRACE OR ANY OTHER
02:53:07 JURISDICTION, THE WHOLE POINT IS THIS BOARD HAS BEEN
02:53:10 FORMED FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND FOR THE BOARD
02:53:15 THAT IS MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THE TAMPA POLICE
02:53:17 DEPARTMENT.
02:53:18 AND SO THAT IS WHY WE LIMITED IT ONLY TO ARRESTS WHETHER
02:53:24 THEY ARE MISDEMEANORS OR FELONIES, MADE BY THIS
02:53:27 PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE IT DOES AS COUNCILMAN
02:53:32 SAID, A PRESUMPTION THAT THE PERSON CANNOT BE NEUTRAL IF
02:53:36 THEY HAVE BEEN ARRESTED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT OR
02:53:39 IN A CASE INVOLVING THE OFFICER WHO ARRESTED THEM COMES
02:53:42 BEFORE THE BOARD, WHAT KIND OF NEUTRALITY DO YOU HAVE?
02:53:45 AND EVEN IF HE CAN BE NEUTRAL THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT
02:53:50 THEY COULD NOT BE.
02:53:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN WE JUST VOTE ON THIS IF I GOT A
02:53:54 SECOND?
02:53:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WE HAVE VIERA, IF YOU HAVE
02:53:56 YOUR HAND UP.
02:53:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT
02:54:03 POINT UP.
02:54:04 IF I WAS ARRESTED FOR A MISDEMEANOR THAT I DID NOT
02:54:07 COMMIT, AND THEN I WAS PUT ON LEAVE ON THIS BOARD, WOULD
02:54:15 I BE BIASED?
02:54:16 OH, HELL, YES, I WOULD BE BIASED. I THINK THAT'S THE
02:54:20 POINT THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES IS MAKING. IF YOU ARE
02:54:22 ARRESTED REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, YOU SHOULD BE OFF THE
02:54:24 BOARD FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
02:54:25 BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ALTERNATES.
02:54:27 SO I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S POINTED ON THIS.
02:54:30 AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU MAKE A DAMN GOOD POINT.
02:54:33 BUT IF I AM ARRESTED FOR A MISDEMEANOR AND I DIDN'T
02:54:38 COMMIT IT AND I START CLEARING MY NAME, AM I GOING TO BE
02:54:41 BIASED?
02:54:42 HELL, YES.
02:54:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:54:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE REASON I SECONDED IT, THE OTHER
02:54:49 THING THAT I DO IN MY LIFE, PEOPLE APPLYING FOR A CERTAIN
02:54:54 LICENSE IN A CERTAIN VICINITY.
02:54:56 IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING LIKE A DUI OR HAVE A CRIMINAL
02:54:59 ROBBED OR HAVE ANY KIND OF RECORD, TURN DOWN THE
02:55:04 APPLICATION AND THEY MUST BRING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT
02:55:08 THEY HAVE BEEN EXONERATED FROM EVERYTHING ELSE.
02:55:13 AND WE ACCEPT THAT.
02:55:14 HOWEVER, SOMETIMES I'M THE JUDGE AND THE JURY.
02:55:22 IF WE THINK THAT INDIVIDUAL'S PREROGATIVE TO WORK,
02:55:26 REALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT I DO? TRY AGAIN.
02:55:33 SO I DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST ANYBODY.
02:55:36 IF I DO, I HOLD IT AGAINST MYSELF.
02:55:38 THANK YOU.
02:55:39 >> COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR,
02:55:41 SIR.
02:55:42 ANYTHING ELSE?
02:55:43 YOU HAVE A MOTION.
02:55:43 YOU HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I BELIEVE.
02:55:46 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:55:47 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?
02:55:53 IT.
02:55:54 >>LUIS VIERA: KOCH I GET CLARIFICATION --
02:55:58 >>> COULD YOU READ IT AGAIN FOR THE CLERK AND COUNCILMEN?
02:56:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DIRECTING THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO --
02:56:07 I DON'T HAVE THE PROVISION, DISQUALIFICATION PROVISION,
02:56:13 WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR SOMEBODY TO CONTINUE TO SERVE
02:56:18 AND/OR BE QUALIFIED TO BE APPOINTED EVEN IF THEY HAD A
02:56:21 MISDEMEANOR ARREST, AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT HAVE A
02:56:24 MISDEMEANOR CONVICTION.
02:56:25 >>LUIS VIERA: I COULD SUPPORT IT IF THE MOTION WAS TO
02:56:29 ADDRESS ANY INEQUITIES THAT COULD ARISE, BUT I THINK A
02:56:34 BLANKET REPEAL OF THAT GOES TOO FAR AND COULD HAVE
02:56:37 UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
02:56:38 AGAIN, TAKING A LOOK AT A MORE NARROWLY TAILORED FIX THAT
02:56:43 GIVES THE CITY ATTORNEY DISCRETION, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
02:56:46 I THINK THIS IS A BLANKET REPEAL THAT COULD HAVE
02:56:48 UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SO I WILL VOTE NO.
02:56:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I ASK THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE
02:57:00 1-F, COUNCILMAN? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE PROVISION?
02:57:03 YES.
02:57:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:57:05 >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:57:09 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:57:10 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:57:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:57:13 I COULD SUPPORT YOUR MOTION BUT I WOULD NEED LEGAL TO
02:57:16 LOOK AT SOME CIRCUMSTANCES TO WHERE YOU HAVE PERSON ON
02:57:20 LEAVE DURING THAT TIME, SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, IF I
02:57:26 COULD GIVE FULL SUPPORT OF THAT.
02:57:28 A PERSON ARRESTED AND SITTING ON THIS TYPE OF BOARD NEEDS
02:57:31 TO BE REMOVED FROM THE BOARD UNTIL THE ISSUES ARE CLEARED
02:57:33 UP, AND A GRACE PERIOD OF TIME AND SO FORTH.
02:57:37 IF YOU WANT TO --
02:57:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY
02:57:40 AMENDMENT TO ASK LEGAL TO INCLUDE SPECIFICALLY INCLUDING
02:57:43 INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE, THAT ANY CURRENTLY SERVING BOARD
02:57:47 MEMBER WOULD BE TEMPORARILY TAKE A LEAVE DURING THE
02:57:51 PENDENCY OF THAT MISDEMEANOR.
02:57:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, A COMMENT,
02:57:58 QUESTION?
02:57:59 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
02:58:00 I WANTED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
02:58:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
02:58:02 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:58:04 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:58:05 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:58:06 >>LUIS VIERA: WITH THAT I WILL SAY YES.
02:58:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:58:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:58:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:58:16 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
02:58:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:58:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:58:22 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
02:58:24 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, I HAVE TO LEAVE IN A FEW
02:58:28 MINUTES TO PICK UP MY SON.
02:58:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A NIGHT MEETING AS WELL IN
02:58:32 TWO HOURS.
02:58:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME THROW OUT PROBABLY THE MOST
02:58:40 IMPORTANT ISSUE, TO DIRECT LEGAL TO DRAFT CHARTER
02:58:44 LANGUAGE, AND MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK MARCH
02:58:50 18th, MAKE THEY CAN COME BACK IN THE MEETING IN
02:58:53 APRIL, BUT TO DRAFT CHARTER LANGUAGE AS RELATED TO
02:58:57 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL, THAT THE CRB MAY AT ITS DISCRETION
02:59:03 HIRE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
02:59:05 MAYBE THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT INDEPENDENT COUNSEL BUT
02:59:09 AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DO THAT, NUMBER ONE.
02:59:12 AND B, THAT THEY HAVE LIMITED SUBPOENA POWERS.
02:59:16 WHEN I SAY LIMITED SUBPOENA POWER, THE SUBPOENA POWER
02:59:23 WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS:
02:59:27 ON REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CRB, THE
02:59:34 CRB MAY ISSUE SUBPOENAS FOR WITNESSES, DOCUMENTS AND
02:59:37 OTHER POTENTIAL EVIDENCE FOR ALL MATTERS WITHIN THE CRB'S
02:59:42 JURISDICTION.
02:59:42 HOWEVER, EXCEPT AS MAY BE PROHIBITED BY APPLICABLE LAW.
02:59:49 HOWEVER, NOTHING HEREIN AUTHORIZES THE CRB TO ISSUE A
02:59:54 SUBPOENA TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
02:59:57 SO THAT'S WHY I SAY THEY WOULD HAVE LIMITED SUBPOENA
03:00:00 POWER, THAT'S THE EXPRESS LANGUAGE THAT WAS STILL ON THE
03:00:04 CHARTER BALLOT, AND SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE
03:00:08 VOTING FOR.
03:00:11 >> A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, TALKING ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER
03:00:19 ISSUES.
03:00:20 BUT THE SUBPOENA POWER ISSUE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
03:00:24 CITY OF MIAMI MADE BY AN INVESTIGATORY POWER, SO IT
03:00:31 WASN'T JUST GIVING A SUBPOENA POWER.
03:00:33 IT WAS GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TO ESSENTIALLY BE THE
03:00:37 DEPARTMENT WITHIN --
03:00:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ADVOCATING?
03:00:44 >> NO.
03:00:43 >> OKAY.
03:00:47 I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT EITHER.
03:00:49 I AM ADVOCATING LET THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY DECIDE
03:00:55 WHETHER THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO HAVE SUBPOENA POWER.
03:00:57 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, MS. RICHARDSON,
03:01:00 COMPLETELY.
03:01:01 I AM NOT ADVOCATING ANYTHING MORE OR UNLESS ANYTHING
03:01:04 LESS.
03:01:04 I AM SUGGESTING THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE
03:01:07 THE OPPORTUNITIES TO VOTE ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
03:01:11 FRANKLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT --
03:01:16 LET ME FINISH.
03:01:22 (OVERLAPPING CONVERSATIONS)
03:01:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
03:01:25 [SOUNDING GAVEL]
03:01:26 ALL RIGHT.
03:01:26 MR. DINGFELDER, PLEASE CONTINUE.
03:01:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
03:01:30 THANK YOU.
03:01:31 I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT ON THIS IF I WOULD, I WOULD
03:01:35 SAY WE NEED TO DO IT OURSELVES BUT MRS. GRIMES TOLD US WE
03:01:38 DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DELEGATE THAT SUBPOENA POWER.
03:01:41 MRS. GRIMES TOLD US IF WE WANT TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT,
03:01:44 WE CAN, AND THAT IS A POLICY DECISION, AND PUTTING IT ON
03:01:47 THE BALLOT WITH THE SEVERE LIMITATIONS THAT I TALKED
03:01:50 ABOUT, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SUBPOENAING THE OFFICER,
03:01:56 OKAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SCENARIO THAT ONE OF THE
03:02:00 WITNESSES EARLIER TODAY SPOKE TO, WHICH IS IF THERE IS
03:02:05 OTHER INFORMATION OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IS
03:02:07 IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO HEAR, THEY COULD SUBPOENA IT.
03:02:11 OKAY.
03:02:11 WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FROM WITNESSES WHO MIGHT HAVE SEEN
03:02:15 THE INCIDENT HAPPEN OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
03:02:16 IT'S ALL ABOUT A SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH.
03:02:19 AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
03:02:21 WE CAN LET THE VOTERS DECIDE IF THEY THINK IT'S
03:02:23 IMPORTANT.
03:02:24 SO I MOTION, IF YOU WANT ME TO BREAK IT INTO TWO,
03:02:27 MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN BREAK IT INTO TWO.
03:02:29 MAYBE THAT'S BETTER.
03:02:30 THE FIRST PART IS INDEPENDENT COUNSEL.
03:02:31 THE SECOND PART IS LIMITED SUBPOENA POWER.
03:02:35 AND THEY WOULD BOTH GO ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE BALLOT
03:02:39 PROBABLY 2022.
03:02:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, DO YOU WANT TO
03:02:42 SPEAK TO THIS?
03:02:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I JUST 2021 SEPARATE THE CONVERSATION
03:02:46 BETWEEN LEGAL AND COUNSEL.
03:02:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND IT'S BEEN DONE.
03:02:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHEN IT'S ON LEGAL I WANT TO SAY
03:02:51 SOMETHING.
03:02:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE CLERK THAT
03:02:53 THE CLERK TAKES THAT AS TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS OR DO WE
03:02:56 NEED TO HAVE THAT DONE BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
03:03:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK IT'S PROBABLY CLEAR TO MAKE
03:03:03 IT TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
03:03:05 MY FIRST MOTION WOULD BE THE QUESTION OF INDEPENDENT
03:03:07 COUNSEL GO ON THE BALLOT AND ASK LEGAL STAFF TO BRING
03:03:12 THAT BACK TO US AT OUR FIRST MEETING IN APRIL WITH
03:03:14 LANGUAGE TO GO ON THE BALLOT IN 2022, AND I DON'T HAVE
03:03:18 THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, BUT I WILL JUST SAY GIVING THIS
03:03:23 BODY THE DISCRETION OF HAVING INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE
03:03:30 COUNSEL, INDEPENDENT OUTSIDE COUNSEL, IF THAT'S THE
03:03:34 BOARD'S DESIRE.
03:03:35 >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
03:03:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
03:03:39 CARLSON.
03:03:40 YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
03:03:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HEARD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO A
03:03:45 COUNCILMEMBER DESCRIBING THE LEGALITY OF OUR LEGAL
03:03:49 PEOPLE, WHETHER IT BE FOR THE CITY OR OUR OWN CITY
03:03:53 COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
03:03:56 A COUPLE WEEKS AGO SAYING, WHY IS ONE DOING THE JOB FOR
03:03:59 THE OTHER?
03:04:01 IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT FROM THIS
03:04:05 CITY COUNCIL, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, SHOULDN'T IT BE DONE
03:04:08 BY OUR OWN ATTORNEY?
03:04:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUITE FRANKLY I AM HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE
03:04:15 IN THE PROCESS --
03:04:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME FINISH ONE LAST STATEMENT.
03:04:20 TWO WEEKS AGO, I HEARD ONE OF OUR OWN CITY COUNCIL SAYING
03:04:23 WHY ARE WE GETTING CITY ATTORNEYS TO DO SOMETHING FOR US
03:04:27 WHEN WE HAVE OUR OWN COUNSEL?
03:04:29 I WILL LET YOU SPEAK.
03:04:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
03:04:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THIS WAS AN ISSUE, BY THE WAY, I
03:04:34 WAS ASSIGNED BY CITY COUNCIL TO BE A LEGAL VISCERA LONG
03:04:41 WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION,
03:04:44 BUT ULTIMATELY WHEN IT CAME TO THE MATTER OF SOMETHING
03:04:47 THAT INVOLVED SOMETHING AS RELATED TO CITY CHARTER, I
03:04:53 DEFERRED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND MRS. GRIMES CAN OH
03:04:57 PAIN IF SHE WISHES, BUT BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT
03:05:02 HAS VERY STRICT STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, VERY SPECIFIC
03:05:10 PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS, AND ALSO IT INVOLVES THE CHARTER
03:05:14 OF THE CITY, WHICH IS SOMETHING IN TERMS OF THE LEGAL
03:05:20 AFFAIRS OF THE CITY, I CERTAINLY CAN OPINE TO IT, BUT I
03:05:24 CERTAINLY DEFERRED AT THE TIME TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE
03:05:29 BALLOT LANGUAGE HAD TO BE PREPARED AND APPROVED BY THE
03:05:32 CITY ATTORNEY AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORKING IN THE
03:05:34 PROCESS WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROCEDURAL STEPS THAT
03:05:37 GOT IT ON THE BALLOT.
03:05:39 SO IT TOOK DRAFTING THE LANGUAGE.
03:05:42 I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO PREPARE THAT DRAFT LANGUAGE,
03:05:44 BUT I THINK MAYBE MS. GRIMES WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS HER
03:05:47 POSITION ABOUT IT BUT MAIN I AM HAPPY TO HEAR IT.
03:05:51 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY INTERVENE I NEED TO
03:05:54 LEAVE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
03:05:55 I SAID THAT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AGO.
03:05:57 BUT IT'S JUST IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY I DON'T HAVE
03:06:00 ANYONE ABLE TO PICK UP MY SON.
03:06:01 AND JUST I WANT TO VOTE ON EVERYTHING, BUT --
03:06:06 >>> OKAY.
03:06:06 ANYBODY ELSE?
03:06:09 >>GINA GRIMES: I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER -- I APPRECIATE YOUR
03:06:14 COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN CITRO, BUT I WOULD HAPPY TO WORK
03:06:18 WITH MR. SHELBY IN DRAFTING THE LANGUAGE, AND THAT WAY
03:06:21 YOU CAN ENSURE THAT HE'LL LOOK AT IT BUT I AM HAPPY TO
03:06:29 TAKE THE LEAD IF THAT'S OKAY.
03:06:34 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH HIM, THOUGH.
03:06:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CITRO.
03:06:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:06:42 MR. CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. SHELBY, MS. GRIMES, THANK
03:06:46 YOU FOR LETTING ME EXPRESS MY OPINION.
03:06:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, COUNCILMAN
03:06:50 CARLSON.
03:06:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
03:06:53 LET'S DO IT.
03:06:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
03:06:56 >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE COUNCILMAN VIERA IS LEAVING, THE
03:06:59 MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THE DAY IS TO VOTE ON THE
03:07:02 UNDERLYING ISSUE TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.
03:07:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
03:07:04 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:07:06 YES, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
03:07:07 YES, SIR.
03:07:09 YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
03:07:10 YOU ARE MUTED.
03:07:12 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
03:07:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN YOU STATE THAT MOTION AGAIN? I
03:07:20 WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM VOTING --
03:07:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA.
03:07:24 THE MOTION IS WE ARE DIRECTING THE LAW OFFICE AND MR.
03:07:32 SHELBY TO WORK TOGETHER TO DRAFT THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD
03:07:34 GIVE THE CRB THE DISCRETION TO HIRE INDEPENDENT OR RETAIN
03:07:41 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND WE WOULD PUT THAT ON IN THE
03:07:44 CHARTER QUESTIONS FOR CITIZENS.
03:07:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
03:07:48 SECOND?
03:07:49 SECOND FROM VIERA?
03:07:52 NO?
03:07:52 COUNCILMAN CARLSON WITH THE SECOND.
03:07:54 ROLL CALL.
03:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:08:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:08:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:08:04 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:08:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
03:08:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:08:11 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:08:12 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:08:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE
03:08:15 ANOTHER MOTION TO THE SECOND PART?
03:08:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE LAST MOTION VERY SIMILARLY WOULD
03:08:19 BE TO DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, MS. GRIMES, TO WORK
03:08:22 WITH MR. SHELBY, TO DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PUT THE
03:08:27 LIMITED SUBPOENA POWER ON THE BALLOT 2022, AND I STATED
03:08:35 EARLIER THE LIMITATIONS, THE EXPRESS LIMITATIONS ON THE
03:08:39 SUBPOENA POWER.
03:08:42 BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
03:08:43 I AM GOING TO -- I AM GOING TO SAY THAT THAT'S THE
03:08:47 INTENT.
03:08:48 THE INTENT IS NOT TO SUBPOENA OFFICERS, AND THAT ANY
03:08:51 SUBPOENA THAT MIGHT ISSUE FROM THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO
03:08:55 THE REVIEW OF WHATEVER ATTORNEY IS SITTING WITH THAT
03:08:58 BOARD.
03:08:58 BUT THAT'S THE INTENT.
03:09:00 I WILL GIVE MR. SHELBY AND MS. GRIMES DISCRETION FOR THE
03:09:05 APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE AND BRING IT BACK TO US AT THE FIRST
03:09:07 MEETING IN APRIL.
03:09:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS A MOTION.
03:09:11 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
03:09:12 MRS. GRIMES?
03:09:14 >>GINA GRIMES: YES, ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THIS CAN BE DONE
03:09:18 AND BE BROUGHT BACK IN APRIL.
03:09:20 ABSOLUTELY NO WAY.
03:09:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE MODIFY BOTH OF THOSE TO
03:09:28 INDEPENDENT COUNSEL AND THEN THIS MOTION IS LIMITED POWER
03:09:33 AND YOU CAN BRING IT BACK IN JUNE.
03:09:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUNE 3rd OR JUNE 17th.
03:09:38 LET'S DO JUNE 17th.
03:09:40 IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
03:09:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:09:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION --
03:09:46 >>GINA GRIMES: AND CHANGES THAT YOU WANT, WE WERE TALKING
03:09:50 ABOUT SCHEDULING THIS FOR FIRST READING ON MARCH
03:09:52 18th.
03:09:53 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FORMAT THAT IT'S CURRENTLY
03:09:56 EXISTS.
03:09:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET'S VOTE ON THESE MOTIONS BEFORE
03:10:05 LUIS HAS TO LEAVE.
03:10:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:10:09 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
03:10:10 SECOND.
03:10:13 SECOND?
03:10:15 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:10:18 ANY DISCUSSION?
03:10:21 YES, SIR?
03:10:22 TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
03:10:23 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE ARE
03:10:26 NOT BITING OFF MORE THAN WE CAN CHEW ON THIS BOARD RIGHT
03:10:29 NOW BY PUTTING FORTH ALL THESE PROPOSALS AND I THINK WE B
03:10:32 COME AT RISK OF DOING THIS.
03:10:34 WHAT ARE WE GOING FORWARD WITH ON THIS?
03:10:36 I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE DISCUSSION, ET CETERA.
03:10:38 I THINK THIS IS THE PART WHERE WE ARE WITH WALKING
03:10:40 FORWARD AND I GO, WAIT A SECOND.
03:10:43 JUST MY THOUGHTS.
03:10:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
03:10:44 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:10:46 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:10:47 YES?
03:10:48 YES, SIR?
03:10:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GAVE THE SECOND WITH RESPECT TOCK MY
03:10:53 COLLEAGUE.
03:10:53 BUT I THINK WE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TODAY SO FAR.
03:10:59 WE KICKED THE FOOTBALL DOWN THE FIELD.
03:11:01 I THINK THE RECEIVER IS CATCHING IT AND IT'S GOING TO
03:11:03 COME BACK.
03:11:04 I THINK OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE ASKING, THAT LEGAL IS
03:11:09 GETTING OVERLOADED, AND IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING.
03:11:12 I KNOW THEY WORKED VERY HARD.
03:11:14 I THINK THE OTHER CHARTER WE TALKED ABOUT SUBPOENA AND
03:11:16 THINGS LIKE THAT, AND BRING THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT LATER,
03:11:20 WE BRING THOSE THINGS BACK, AND BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION,
03:11:24 WHATEVER, WE CAN BRING THAT DOWN TO MAYBE LOOK AT THE
03:11:26 BALLOT, MR. DINGFELDER.
03:11:28 WE HAVE OVERLOADED THEM WITH A LOT TODAY.
03:11:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA NEEDS TO LEAVE AND
03:11:37 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER NEEDS TO LEAVE AT 3:30.
03:11:39 AM I CORRECT?
03:11:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME JUST RESPOND TO EVERYBODY.
03:11:43 THE ONLY REASON I AM SUGGESTING WE VOTE ON YOU NOW IS TO
03:11:47 TRY TO GET TO SOME FINALITY ON THIS.
03:11:49 EVERYBODY IS GETTING WORN OUT.
03:11:50 I DON'T THINK WE WANTS THIS TO DRAG ON ALL THE WAY INTO
03:11:54 2021 AND THEN 2022, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
03:11:57 THIS IS MERELY PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT.
03:12:00 AND IF WE CAN'T TRUST THE CITIZENS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR
03:12:03 US, THEN WE ARE NO BETTER THAN THE SUPREME COURT WHICH
03:12:07 JUST DECIDED THEY CAN'T TRUST THE CITIZENS MAKING
03:12:10 DECISIONS FOR US.
03:12:11 BUT ANYWAY, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, THIS IS JUST TO PUT IT ON
03:12:14 THE BALLOT.
03:12:15 AND I HAVE GIVEN TO THE DISCRETION TO MR. SHELBY AND MS.
03:12:19 GRIMES IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WILL BE.
03:12:21 BUT IT'S NOT TO SUBPOENA COPS.
03:12:24 IT'S NOT TO SUBPOENA COPS.
03:12:25 IT'S NOT TO SUBPOENA COPS.
03:12:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:12:29 >>BILL CARLSON: WITH THOSE EXPRESS LIMITATIONS --
03:12:35 [NO ENCODER]
03:12:46 [NO ENCODER]
03:12:46 >>LUIS VIERA: FEBRUARY I WILL BE MAKING MY AFT MOTION
03:13:01 THIS EVENING, AND PLEASE EXCUSE ME.
03:13:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THERE ONE FINAL MOTION, MR. CHAIR,
03:13:05 OR NOT YET.
03:13:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION IS WITHDRAWN.
03:13:12 >>BILL CARLSON: WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE
03:13:16 OVERALL --
03:13:19 >>> WHO WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION ON THE DRAFT?
03:13:22 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT LEGAL WORK
03:13:26 WITH CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO COME UP WITH A DRAFT, A
03:13:31 REVISED DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING.
03:13:33 CAN WE SAY THAT, GINA, ON WHAT DATE?
03:13:36 JUNE 12th?
03:13:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, MARCH.
03:13:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY
03:13:43 ATTORNEY.
03:13:45 >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK MAY.
03:13:46 MAY.
03:13:47 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY FIRST READING?
03:13:51 >>GINA GRIMES: ABSOLUTELY NOT.
03:13:54 I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK
03:13:57 INVOLVED IN DRAFTING IT, AND THEN MEETING WITH MR. SHELBY
03:14:04 AND MAKING SURE ALL THE OTHERS --
03:14:07 >>BILL CARLSON: TELL US WHEN WE CAN DO IT.
03:14:12 WHEN IS THE BEST DATE?
03:14:13 WHEN CAN WE SAY?
03:14:16 >>GINA GRIMES: DO IT IN MAY.
03:14:17 >>BILL CARLSON: MAY 20th.
03:14:21 CAN WE HAVE THAT FOR FIRST READING OR NOT?
03:14:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, YOU WILL SEE THAT -- MRS.
03:14:26 GRIMES, DID YOU SAY YES?
03:14:27 I'M SORRY.
03:14:28 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
03:14:29 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
03:14:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT?
03:14:40 I'M SORRY.
03:14:40 YOUR MICROPHONE WAS OFF.
03:14:44 >>GINA GRIMES: MAY 20th.
03:14:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT CITY
03:14:48 ATTORNEY AND CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY WORK TOGETHER TO A
03:14:51 REVISED ORDINANCE TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FIRST
03:14:53 READING ON MAY 20th.
03:14:55 >> SECOND.
03:14:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY CARLSON. SECONDED BY
03:14:59 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:14:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:15:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:15:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:15:08 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:15:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
03:15:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:15:14 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:15:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:15:16 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:15:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT.
03:15:18 ANY OTHER CRB?
03:15:20 THAT'S IT.
03:15:21 WE ARE DONE WITH CRB.
03:15:28 FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
03:15:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD ASK BEFORE YOU BREAK,
03:15:31 MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU BREAK, JUST WHAT IS YOUR INTENT
03:15:33 FOR THE REST OF THE DAY KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE A 5:00
03:15:36 MEETING?
03:15:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I TRIED TO SPEAK BUT WE HAVE 3 AND
03:15:42 4.
03:15:42 WE START AT 5:00.
03:15:43 SO I HOPE WE ARE DONE NO LATER, YOU KNOW, 4:15 OR SO,
03:15:48 MAYBE 4:00.
03:15:49 SO WE'LL TRY OUR BEST.
03:15:52 REMEMBER, I'M THE QUIET BEETLE.
03:15:55 WE ARE IN RECESS FIVE MINUTES.
03:15:59 (CITY COUNCIL RECESS).
03:16:01
03:29:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK.
03:31:26 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
03:31:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
03:31:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
03:31:32 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
03:31:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
03:31:35 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
03:31:36 >>THE CLERK: A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
03:31:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEMS 3 AND 4
03:31:44 FOR CONTINUANCE, AND ALSO INFORMATION REFERENCE TO ITEM
03:31:49 NUMBER 4.
03:31:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT, LET ME GET A DATE.
03:31:53 YOU WANT TO MOVE THEM TO -- WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THE
03:31:59 25th.
03:32:01 IT'S A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
03:32:03 THEN A PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN.
03:32:04 THEN WE HAVE A NIGHT MEETING WITH NINE PLAN AMENDMENT
03:32:07 ADOPTIONS AND ONE TRANSMITTAL.
03:32:09 SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.
03:32:11 IT COULD BE A LIGHT NIGHT.
03:32:13 COULD BE NOT.
03:32:14 BUT WE HAVE THAT.
03:32:15 IF NOT, WE HAVE AN OPEN, WIDE OPEN APRIL 22ND CITY
03:32:19 COUNCIL WORKSHOP AT 9:00 A.M.
03:32:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, MR. CHAIR.
03:32:25 IF WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THAT DATE BUT PUT IT NUMBER
03:32:28 ONE AND NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA.
03:32:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
03:32:31 SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES TO CONTINUE ITEMS
03:32:34 3 AND 4 TO APRIL 22ND FOR ITEMS 1 AND 2 ON THE WORKSHOP
03:32:39 AGENDA.
03:32:40 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
03:32:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'LL SECOND THAT.
03:32:45 I'M LOOKING AT EVERYBODY THAT IS ON MY SCREEN RIGHT HERE,
03:32:48 CATE WELLS, ABBYE FEELEY, CAPTAIN OWENS AND EVERYBODY IN
03:32:51 THE ROOM STARING AT THE CAMERA SAYING WHAT ARE WE DOING
03:32:54 NOW?
03:32:54 WE ONLY HAVE FOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE HERE.
03:32:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS FIVE.
03:33:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I FEEL THIS IS GOING TO BE NOT A LENGTHY
03:33:06 DISCUSSION BUT A VERY IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION, AND I KNOW FOR
03:33:10 ONE I AM GOING TO BE ASKING FOR CHANGES, AND I FEEL THAT
03:33:14 IT WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF WE HAVE SEVEN THAT ARE PRESENT
03:33:16 DURING THESE DISCUSSIONS.
03:33:17 SO I HOPE EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM IS LOOKING AT THE CAMERA
03:33:20 SAYING, WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
03:33:22 PLEASE ACCEPT THIS CONTINUANCE.
03:33:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AND COUNCILMAN CITRO,
03:33:26 IF I CAN,
03:33:29 THIS MAY VERY WELL DOVETAIL INTO THE 9:30 WORKSHOP ON THE
03:33:33 25th, BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT
03:33:38 CODES ARE, THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THE ADMINISTRATION,
03:33:41 THAT MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON WHAT ULTIMATE LIMB YOU DECIDE
03:33:43 TO DO WITH YOUR ISSUES.
03:33:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
03:33:48 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. COUNSEL.
03:33:49 AND MR. CHAIRMAN.
03:33:50 SO I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY THAT IS LOOKING AT US WILL
03:33:53 UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THAT PERSPECTIVE.
03:33:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
03:33:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:34:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. FEELEY WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.
03:34:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE MUTED.
03:34:05 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WANTED TO KNOW THEN WHERE IT WENT.
03:34:08 APRIL 22ND?
03:34:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 22ND, 9:00 A.M. WORKSHOP.
03:34:15 >>ABBYE FEELEY: ITEMS 1 AND 2.
03:34:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TWO ITEMS, 1 AND
03:34:19 2.
03:34:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST ON THE AGENDA.
03:34:21 THANK YOU.
03:34:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:34:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:34:25 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
03:34:26 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:34:27 ANY OPPOSED?
03:34:30 ALL RIGHT.
03:34:30 CAN WE SAVE NEW BUSINESS UNTIL THIS EVENING?
03:34:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
03:34:34 FOR ME, YES.
03:34:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 5:01
03:34:38 P.M.
03:34:50 (CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP CONCLUDED.)
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