TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MARCH 4, 2021
9:00 A.M.
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09:05:38 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
09:05:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
09:05:43 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE TAMPA CITY TAMPA COUNCIL
09:05:45 MEETING TO ORDER.
09:05:47 I YIELD TO COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:05:50 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MY GREAT PLEASURE TO
09:05:56 INTRODUCE Imam Askia Muhammad Aquil.
09:05:57 A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.
09:06:01 IMAM AQUIL.
09:06:04 IF I WAS TO READ HIS ENTIRE -- HE GAVE ME A VERY SHORT
09:06:08 BIOGRAPHY, WHICH I THINK REFLECTS THIS MAN'S HUMILITY,
09:06:12 BUT THE TRUTH IS IF I WAS TO READ HIS ENTIRE BIOGRAPHY
09:06:16 OF RELEVANT ATTRIBUTES AND EXPERIENCES, WE WOULD
09:06:17 CERTAINLY BE HERE FOR 20 MINUTES.
09:06:21 THE IMAM WAS A STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
09:06:24 FLORIDA TAMPA CAMPUS IN 1968 WHEN REVEREND MARTIN
09:06:26 LUTHER KING, JR. WAS ASSASSINATED.
09:06:28 IN EVENT AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS OCCURRING DURING THAT
09:06:31 PERIOD IN TAMPA ACROSS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND
09:06:35 ACROSS THE WORLD SPURRED THE IMAM'S LIFELONG COMMITMENT
09:06:38 FOR FIGHTING FOR RACIAL AND SOCIAL JUSTICE.
09:06:40 HE SERVES AS CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE
09:06:43 EMPOWERMENT GROUP OF TAMPA BAY.
09:06:46 MANY, MANY -- AGAIN, LOOKING AT THIS GENTLEMAN'S LIFE,
09:06:53 IN 1968, IMAM'S EARLY EFFORTS FROM '68, '69 AND 1970
09:06:57 LED TO THE CREATION OF FIRST BLACK STUDIES PROGRAM AT A
09:06:59 FLORIDA COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY.
09:07:02 FOR 11 YEARS SERVED AS PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE ST.
09:07:04 PETERSBURG NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES AND HIS
09:07:07 COMMITMENT AND INVOLVEMENT -- COMMITMENT AND
09:07:09 INVOLVEMENT IN HIS COMMUNITY GO FAR AND WIDE.
09:07:15 RECENTLY THE IMAM WAS ABLE TO SERVE AS A PANELIST -- AN
09:07:20 INTERFAITH PANELIST AT HYDE PARK METHODIST CHURCH FOR
09:07:23 EQUAL JUSTICE INITIATIVE INTERFAITH PROGRAM WHERE HE
09:07:27 SERVED AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY
09:07:34 ALONG WITH ROMAN CATHOLIC, ANGELICAL, MAINLINE JEWISH
09:07:35 SERVICES.
09:07:39 IMAM, WE APPRECIATE YOU TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
09:07:39 SERVICE.
09:07:42 IF EVERYONE IS STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
09:07:42 PLEDGE.
09:07:50 THANK YOU, SIR.
09:07:54 I AM SORRY, IMAM, WE BEGIN WITH THE PRAYER.
09:07:55 SO GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:07:56 >> VERY GOOD.
09:08:00 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:08:07 RAHIM WITH THE NAME OF THE GRACIOUS, THE COMPASSIONATE
09:08:10 AND MERCIFUL REDEEMER.
09:08:12 TO THE HONORABLE CHAIR OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, OTHER
09:08:16 OFFICERS AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, TO THE HONORABLE MAYOR
09:08:21 OF THE DYNAMIC CITY AND HER STAFF, EVERYONE UNDER THE
09:08:29 SOUND OF MY VOICE, I GREET YOU IN, SHALOM, NAMASTE AND
09:08:33 ASK THAT YOU ENLIGHTEN YOUR HEARTS WITH MIND, TUNE YOUR
09:08:39 EARS TO MY VOICE THE PRESENCE OF MY WORD AS WE EVOKE
09:08:43 THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHOUT OFFENDING ANYONE'S
09:08:45 SENSITIVITIES OR BELIEFS.
09:08:49 OH CREATOR OF ALL AND EVERYTHING CALLED UPON MANY NAMES
09:08:51 AND WORSHIPPED BY YOUR PEOPLE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE
09:08:54 EARTH SINCE THE BEGINNING OF HUMAN HISTORY, WE HUMBLY
09:08:57 AND SINCERELY CALL ON YOU THIS MORNING TO BE PRESENT,
09:09:01 TO WATCH OVER, AND TO GUIDE THE DELIBERATIONS OF THIS
09:09:02 AUGUST BODY.
09:09:10 YAHWEH, JEHOVAH, GREAT AND HOLY SPIRIT, OMNISCIENT AND
09:09:14 OMNIPRESENT, ALLAH AND SO MANY NAMES UNKNOWN.
09:09:16 WE BELIEVE IN YOU.
09:09:17 WE RELY AND DEPEND ON YOU.
09:09:21 WE TRUST AND HAVE FAITH IN YOU, YOU WHO CREATED THE SUN
09:09:22 THAT WARMS US ALL.
09:09:26 THE AIR THAT SURROUNDS AND SUSTAINS US ALL.
09:09:29 THE WATER THAT REFRESHES AND PURIFIES US ALL.
09:09:32 THE FOOD THAT NOURISHES US ALL.
09:09:37 FOR THESE AND MORE WE ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL AND CAN'T
09:09:39 THANK YOU ENOUGH.
09:09:42 WE URGE TO YOU GIVE THE GOVERNING BODY TO RECOGNIZE
09:09:46 THEIR PRESENCE AMONGST THEM AND EVER-GROWING GRACES
09:09:48 INTO THEIR LIFE.
09:09:50 LORD, GIVE THEM KNOWLEDGE TO EXPERIENCE TRUTH WHEREVER
09:09:52 IT IS MANIFEST BEFORE THEM.
09:09:56 THE STRENGTH TO PURSUE TRUTH, JUSTICE, FREEDOM,
09:09:59 JUSTICE, THE COMMON GOOD RESPECTING RIGHTS AND
09:10:00 DIGNITIES OF OTHERS.
09:10:04 OUR LORD, HELP THEM TO LOWER THE WING OF HUMILITY.
09:10:07 NOT BE SEDUCED BY POWER, OR CORRUPTED BY GREED OR
09:10:09 PUFFED UP WITH PRIDE AND ARROGANCE.
09:10:12 HELP THEM BE BETTER LISTENERS THAN TALKERS.
09:10:15 HELP THEM TO BE SLOW TO JUDGE AND GET ANGRY.
09:10:20 YET QUICK TO FORGIVE, HELP, SHOW COMPASSION, MERCY AND
09:10:21 GRACE.
09:10:23 TO BE THE MOST EXCELLENT HUMAN BEINGS.
09:10:26 OUR LORD, HELP EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM TO WORK
09:10:29 WORTHY OF THE VOCATION OF WHICH THEY ARE CALLED WITH
09:10:33 ALL LOWLINESS AND MEEKNESS, WITH LONG SUFFERING,
09:10:37 FORBEARING ONE ANOTHER IN LOVE AND ENDEAVORING TO KEEP
09:10:40 THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT IN THE BOND OF PEACE,
09:10:42 ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DISAGREE.
09:10:44 WHEN THEY DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE.
09:10:47 OUR LORD, HELP US TO REMEMBER THAT OUR JOURNEY, OUR
09:10:50 CONSTANT CHALLENGE IS TO BE AND BECOME ONE NATION UNDER
09:10:55 GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
09:10:57 OUR LORD, LET US NOT BE AFRAID BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT YET
09:10:59 BECOME THE BELOVED COMMUNITY.
09:11:02 YOUR KINGDOM ON EARTH.
09:11:05 FOR THE DAILY DUTY FOR US ALL ARE TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE
09:11:10 ARE ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE
09:11:15 RIGHTS, LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
09:11:20 OH LORD OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND REMEMBER THAT WOMEN
09:11:21 NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE.
09:11:24 THE FOUNDING FATHERS INSTITUTED GOVERNMENT WITH THE
09:11:26 CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.
09:11:29 REMIND US, OH CREATOR, OF US ALL OF THE SHARED
09:11:32 RESPONSIBILITY AND IN THIS SHARED FREEDOM SPACE TO
09:11:35 ALWAYS STRIVE TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION, TO
09:11:39 ESTABLISH JUSTICE AND PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE ARE
09:11:42 AND SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY NOT JUST FOR
09:11:45 OURSELVES BUT FOR OUR PROSPERITY, FOR OUR FUTURE
09:11:46 GENERATIONS.
09:11:51 OUR LORD, WE KNOW THAT OFTENTIMES TRUTH IS A BITTER
09:11:55 PILL TO SWALLOW, SO ON HILLS OF BLACK AND
09:12:00 AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH AND EARLY DAYS OF WOMEN
09:12:04 HISTORY MONTH, GRANT THAT WE MAY HAVE THE COURAGE TO
09:12:09 CONFRONT THE UGLY PAST WITH MISTREATMENT, INEQUITY,
09:12:11 BRUTALITY, EXCLUSION RATHER THAN INCLUSION.
09:12:15 OUR LORD, GIVE US THE FAITH TO CONFRONT THESE UGLY
09:12:19 ASPECTS OF OUR PAST, NOT OUT OF FEAR OR SENSE OF GUILT
09:12:23 OR SHAME, BUT WITH THE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND SOLEMN
09:12:26 COMMITMENT THAT THEY WILL NEVER REPAIR THE BREACH AND
09:12:29 REBUILD THE WALLS UNLESS WE FIRST ACCEPT REALITIES THAT
09:12:32 WE ARE OFTEN TEMPTED TO OVERLOOK.
09:12:36 NOW DURING THIS TIME OF UNCERTAINTY BROUGHT ON BY AN
09:12:39 UNPRECEDENTED GLOBAL PANDEMIC, ACCOMPANIED BY TRAGIC
09:12:43 DEATHS, PAINFUL SUFFERING, ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL
09:12:48 DISRUPTION, AND HYPER PARTISAN RIVALRY SHOW US THE PATH
09:12:52 FORWARD TO UNITY AND THE BRIGHTER DAY AHEAD, OH, LORD.
09:12:56 GRANT THE EXCITEMENT, OPTIMISM AND UPLIFTED SPIRITS
09:13:01 GENERATED BY OUR VICTORY ON THE ICE, ON THE DIAMOND,
09:13:06 THE GRIDIRON, THE HARDWOOD COURT AND EVEN AT THE BALLOT
09:13:10 BOX THAT WILL ENERGIZE AND FORTIFY US TO DO WHAT NEEDS
09:13:13 TO BE DONE IN WAY THAT'S WILL BE PLEASING TO YOU.
09:13:19 OUR LORD, MAKE TAMPA A CITY OF SECURITY, OF JUSTICE, OF
09:13:22 COMPASSION, OF PROSPERITY AND PEACE OF ALL.
09:13:28 GRANT THAT IT WILL BE SO WE HUMBLY ASK, AMEN.
09:13:29 THANK YOU.
09:13:41 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
09:13:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
09:13:47 GO AHEAD.
09:13:49 >> I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE TODAY AND
09:13:52 I SAW THE STORY THAT HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE THINGS YOU
09:13:53 HAVE DONE IN YOUR PAST.
09:13:54 I WANT TO THANK YOU.
09:13:56 YEARS AGO YOU AND I WORKED TOGETHER AT THE SAFETY
09:13:58 HOUSING AUTHORITY AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE HAPPY
09:14:01 FACES THAT I SAW, HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
09:14:03 THAT YOU HELPED BUY THEIR FIRST HOME.
09:14:05 THANK YOU FOR THAT AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS OFF THIS
09:14:05 DONE.
09:14:07 I THINK YOUR BIRTHDAY WAS THE OTHER DAY SO BELATED
09:14:09 HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
09:14:11 >> GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
09:14:13 PEACE BE ONTO YOU.
09:14:14 THANK YOU.
09:14:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. DINGFELDER.
09:14:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS JUST WAVING HELLO.
09:14:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL PLEASE.
09:14:21 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
09:14:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
09:14:24 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
09:14:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
09:14:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
09:14:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
09:14:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
09:14:32 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
09:14:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:14:36 MR. SHELBY, YES, SIR.
09:14:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:14:41 GOOD MORNING TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND CITY COUNCIL.
09:14:52 MARTIN SHELBY, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:14:55 WE ARE HERE DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY.
09:14:59 THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD LIVE WITH AN IN-PERSON
09:15:01 QUORUM.
09:15:04 AND HOWEVER IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS,
09:15:06 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE
09:15:10 VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY
09:15:13 FLORIDA STATUTE AND RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA
09:15:13 TECHNOLOGY.
09:15:16 TODAY'S MEETING IS HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE
09:15:21 EMERGENCY RULES AND PROCEDURES ADOPTED BY 2020-225 AS
09:15:24 AMENDED BY 220-490.
09:15:27 THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH,
09:15:31 LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640 OR
09:15:34 FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 OR LIVE ON THE INTERNET AT
09:15:39 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.
09:15:41 NOW BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO
09:15:45 PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE WAYS TO
09:15:47 COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL.
09:15:52 BY WRITTEN COMMENTS, BY INTERNET OR THE WEB, BY E-MAIL,
09:15:53 BY U.S. MAIL.
09:15:56 FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO LEAVING A VOICEMAIL
09:16:00 MESSAGE OR ONE CAN SPEAK REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT
09:16:03 USING COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY BY
09:16:04 PREREGISTERING.
09:16:08 AND AGAIN THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE
09:16:11 AGENDA, IN THE AGENDA, AND ALSO ON THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC
09:16:18 MEETING AND THE INSTRUCTIONS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL.
09:16:19 ONE WORD.
09:16:24 NOW COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC THAT ALL
09:16:28 WRITTEN OR VOICEMAIL COMMENTS OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS
09:16:31 HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TIMELY TO CITY COUNCIL AND WILL
09:16:33 BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD.
09:16:36 FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY IN LAND USE
09:16:41 AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, PREREGISTRATION IS REQUIRED BUT
09:16:44 THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A
09:16:47 COMMUNICATION MEDIA DEVICE HAVE THE OPTION OF
09:16:49 PARTICIPATING TECHNOLOGY THAT IS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE
09:16:52 PUBLIC DURING THIS MEETING AS WE SPEAK AT OLD CITY HALL
09:16:56 ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.
09:16:59 AND PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL
09:17:02 DISTANCING INSIDE THIS BUILDING ARE REQUIRED.
09:17:06 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:17:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:17:11 GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM OF
09:17:11 THE AGENDA.
09:17:15 WE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TO PULL
09:17:17 ITEM 15 FOR A SEPARATE VOTE.
09:17:19 PUT THAT UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
09:17:26 ITEM NUMBER 24, A MEMO FROM MISS ABBYE FEELEY TO REMOVE
09:17:31 AN DUPLICATE OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 64 -- I'M SORRY?
09:17:32 COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
09:17:36 >>BILL CARLSON: I GOT A MEMO -- ITEM NUMBER 73, NO
09:17:39 BACKUP AND PRESENTATION GIVEN ADVANCE AND STAFF
09:17:43 MISUNDERSTOOD THE MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESCHEDULE
09:17:46 ITEM 73 FOR A MONTH FROM NOW.
09:17:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO TAKE ITEM 73 AND
09:17:53 CONTINUE IT UNTIL --
09:17:55 >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE A MONTH FROM NOW.
09:17:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 15 IS A REGULAR SESSION.
09:18:08 A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR APRIL 15.
09:18:09 UNDER STAFF REPORT.
09:18:15 A SECOND FROM VIERA.
09:18:19 WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:18:22 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:18:23 ALL IN FAVOR.
09:18:24 SAY AYE.
09:18:28 ITEM NUMBER 1 BECAUSE OF VERY, VERY GOOD NEWS,
09:18:31 COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REMOVE THAT FROM
09:18:32 THE AGENDA.
09:18:34 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, SO MOVED.
09:18:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:18:38 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:18:42 ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 2 IS A PRESENTATION TO MISS IDA
09:18:43 WALKER.
09:18:45 MOMENT BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:18:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:18:53 COUNCILMEMBERS, THIS MORNING WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF
09:18:55 RECOGNIZING MISS IDA.
09:18:57 I HAVE WORKED WITH HER FOR A LONG TIME.
09:18:59 SHE HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
09:19:03 MENTORING OTHERS THROUGH HER YEARS OF SERVICE, AND THIS
09:19:04 MORNING WE WILL RECOGNIZE HER.
09:19:08 BUT MY AIDE ASKED ME COULD SHE DO IT.
09:19:11 SHE HAS A SPECIAL CONNECTION, AND LET HER PRESENT THE
09:19:12 ACCOMMODATION THIS MORNING.
09:19:17 TAKE IT AWAY.
09:19:18 >> GOOD MORNING.
09:19:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING.
09:19:25 >> MISS MARY AND I ARE HONORED TO STAND HERE WITH THIS
09:19:31 PHENOMENAL WOMAN MISS IDA WALKER, 2021 JOSEPHINE HOWARD
09:19:34 STAFFORD MEMORIAL AWARD RECIPIENT.
09:19:38 IN HONOR OF MISS IDA WALKER TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENTS
09:19:41 THIS ACCOMMODATION FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENTS,
09:19:45 DISTINCTIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND ABILITY TO PROVIDE
09:19:48 CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO COMPLEX COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL
09:19:52 CHALLENGES IN BOTH YOUR PROFESSIONAL AND VOLUNTEER
09:19:53 ABILITIES.
09:19:57 WITH UNWAVERING PASSION AND DEDICATION AS AN AMBASSADOR
09:20:02 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, MISS IDA WALKER, YOU SERVE AS A
09:20:05 MENTOR AND FRIEND TO COUNTLESS PROFESSIONALS,
09:20:09 CO-WORKERS AND CITIZENS, HELPING EACH OF THEM AS YOU
09:20:12 ARE BLESSED WITH THE TREMENDOUS HEART AND A BEAUTIFUL
09:20:14 AND KIND SPIRIT.
09:20:18 WITH YOUR SPECIAL GIFTS, YOU EMBODY A WILLINGNESS TO
09:20:20 SHARE YOUR TIME AND EXPERTISE.
09:20:23 AND YOU HAVE MADE A CAREER OF CARING, LIFTING THE
09:20:27 SPIRIT OF ALL THOSE THAT SURROUND YOU WITH ASTOUNDING
09:20:31 TOLERANCE, PATIENCE AND RESPECT.
09:20:34 YOU ARE GREATLY ADMIRED FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND
09:20:35 STRENGTH OF CHARACTER.
09:20:39 YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED YOURSELF TO BE A TRUE SERVANT OF
09:20:42 THE COMMUNITY AND DO SO WITH A GRACIOUS HEART.
09:20:46 IN GRATEFUL APPRECIATION FOR YOUR EFFORTS, TAMPA CITY
09:20:50 COUNCIL PRESENTS THIS COMMENDATION ON THIS FOURTH DAY
09:20:53 OF MARCH, 2021.
09:20:57 MISS IDA WALKER.
09:21:02 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, SONYA AND MARY.
09:21:05 AND JUST WANT TO SAY TO YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS, I WANT TO
09:21:09 THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS COMMENDATION.
09:21:14 AND THE MEMBERS OF THE WOMEN'S HISTORY COMMITTEE AND
09:21:17 MAYOR JANE CASTOR.
09:21:19 EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AT WORK OR IN THE
09:21:23 COMMUNITY, I HAVE DONE IT ALONG WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
09:21:29 YOU KNOW I HAVE CHIEF DUGAN AND OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF WHO
09:21:36 ALLOWS ME TO DO CERTAIN THINGS ON THE JOB AND IN THE
09:21:36 COMMUNITY.
09:21:40 I WANT TO THANK THEM AS WELL, MY CO-WORKERS AND MY CITY
09:21:42 CO-WORKERS, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING THAT I HAVE DONE
09:21:45 WITHOUT THE HELP OF THEM ALONGSIDE OF ME.
09:21:51 AND I AM ALSO GRATEFUL TO MISS STAFFORD WHO I WORKED
09:21:53 WITH FOR -- YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO, PROBABLY ABOUT 30
09:21:55 YEARS AGO.
09:21:59 AND BECAUSE OF HER, SHE HAS TAUGHT ME A LOT SO THAT I
09:22:00 USE IN MY JOB TODAY.
09:22:02 AND I AM JUST SO THANKFUL.
09:22:06 AND IF I CAN GIVE ANYTHING TO MY CO-WORKERS OR PEOPLE
09:22:10 OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, IS SERVICE.
09:22:13 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT NEED
09:22:15 A HELPING HAND.
09:22:18 AND I AM JUST SO GRATEFUL TO GOD THAT HE GAVE ME A
09:22:24 FAMILY WHO TAUGHT ME HOW TO -- HOW TO GIVE BACK IN THE
09:22:28 COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S MY FAMILY IN OCALA WHO FOR THE
09:22:33 LAST 60 YEARS, WHO FEED PEOPLE IN NEED DURING THE
09:22:34 HOLIDAYS.
09:22:39 YOU KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE THREE TO -- 300 TO 500
09:22:41 PEOPLE WE ARE SERVING AS A FAMILY.
09:22:44 SO THAT WAS TAUGHT TO ME AT AN EARLY AGE.
09:22:49 AND I JUST THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENDATION, AND GOD
09:22:50 BLESS EACH OF YOU.
09:22:52 AND I THANK YOU AGAIN.
09:22:53 BYE NOW.
09:22:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONGRATULATIONS.
09:22:57 ANYBODY WISH TO COMMENT?
09:22:59 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:23:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, YES.
09:23:05 MISS WALKER, YOU AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER THROUGH
09:23:09 THREE POLICE CHIEFS, AND ANY TIME I ASKED YOU TO SEE IF
09:23:13 WE CAN GET ONE OF THE CHIEFS AT ANY TYPE OF MEETING I
09:23:15 HAD FRATERNAL, POLITICAL OR WHATEVER, YOU WERE ON THE
09:23:16 SPOT.
09:23:17 YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN FRIENDLY.
09:23:18 YOU ALWAYS HELPED ME.
09:23:21 AND IT IS THOSE REASONS THAT MAKE YOU SUCH A WONDERFUL
09:23:21 PERSON.
09:23:25 AND I AM SURE THOSE THREE GENTLEMEN BEHIND YOU WOULD
09:23:27 SAY THAT THEY WORK FOR YOU.
09:23:28 IT IS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
09:23:31 SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE, MISS
09:23:32 WALKER.
09:23:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:23:37 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING
09:23:38 YOU HAVE DONE.
09:23:39 AND APOLOGIES.
09:23:44 I SAW THE ANNOUNCEMENT WITH THE MAYOR AND APOLOGIES WE
09:23:47 CAN'T HAVE THE BIG EVENT TO HONOR YOU BUT I APPRECIATE
09:23:53 MY COLLEAGUE MR. GUDES HAVING THE WORLD SEE HOW YOU
09:23:56 SHOULD BE THANKED.
09:24:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
09:24:01 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:24:03 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
09:24:06 I AM SURE THE GENTLEMAN FROM TPD CAN DO THAT AND ARE
09:24:07 WELCOME TO DO SO.
09:24:11 BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE AND WHATNOT.
09:24:13 IT SPANS A VERY LONG TIME.
09:24:17 I SAY THIS, THE FACT THAT SONYA THINKS SO HIGHLY OF YOU
09:24:19 THAT SHE HAD TO DO THIS.
09:24:22 THE SONYA CERTIFICATION MEANS A LOT TO ME.
09:24:25 AND I KNOW IT MEANS A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE
09:24:27 SHE IS A GOOD WOMAN.
09:24:29 SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR SERVICE TO THE
09:24:31 CITY AND WHATNOT.
09:24:34 AND I THINK A LOT OF YOUR WORK IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY
09:24:37 OUTREACH, INCLUDING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY
09:24:42 SHOWS THAT THE -- YOU KNOW, THE -- THE HOLISTIC
09:24:46 APPROACH OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ISN'T JUST ENFORCEMENT, IT
09:24:48 IS ALSO COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
09:24:50 IT IS ALSO BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
09:24:51 IT IS BUILDING BRIDGES.
09:24:55 IT IS THAT IDEA OF COMMUNITY POLICING AND COMMUNITY
09:24:58 INVOLVEMENT, THAT THERE IS -- YOU KNOW, MANY PARTS OF
09:25:01 THE BODY, SO TO SPEAK OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND YOU ARE
09:25:04 SUCH A PIVOTAL PART OF THAT BODY.
09:25:06 SO JUST THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK AND YOUR
09:25:08 DEDICATION AND GOD BLESS YOU.
09:25:10 THANK YOU.
09:25:13 >> MAY I SAY SOMETHING, COUNCILMAN VIERA, ON THAT
09:25:16 POINT?
09:25:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
09:25:22 >> I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID OF THE
09:25:26 COMMUNITY SERVICE ASPECT, BECAUSE OF THE POLICE
09:25:30 DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, OVER 30 -- ALMOST 39 YEARS AGO,
09:25:35 PAT PIERCE COLEMAN HIRED ME AS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY
09:25:36 POLICING.
09:25:40 SO I STARTED WITH THE CITY BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY
09:25:40 POLICING.
09:25:45 AND I JUST WANT TO LEAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR CITY
09:25:48 AND OUR CITY OFFICIALS.
09:25:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN
09:25:51 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:25:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:25:57 MISS WALKER, SINCERELY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART AND
09:25:59 THE CITY OF TAMPA, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO
09:26:04 DO, NOT JUST YESTERDAY, TODAY, BUT INTO THE FUTURE.
09:26:07 I KNOW I ASKED MARY BRYANT TO CALL THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
09:26:09 SAID CALL SOMEBODY WITH MORE POWER.
09:26:11 I THOUGHT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MAYOR.
09:26:15 SHE SAID I AM GOING TO CALL IDA WALKER.
09:26:16 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE THREE POLICE OFFICERS BEHIND
09:26:17 YOU.
09:26:18 LOOK AT THEM.
09:26:21 TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING
09:26:24 IS, YOU HAD THE DESIRE AND STRENGTH -- NOT THAT THEY
09:26:27 DON'T, BUT YOU HANDLE ALL THE CALLS WHERE THEY CAN DO
09:26:27 SOMETHING.
09:26:31 AND THE WAY YOU HANDLE IT AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND
09:26:38 YOUR TENACITY TO KEEP AFTER IT IS WAY BEYOND THAT THIS
09:26:41 SPOKEN WHAT WE DID TODAY BY HONORING YOU CAN DO.
09:26:44 ON BEHALF OF ALL THE CITIZENS, NOT ONLY IN TAMPA
09:26:48 BECAUSE IT GOES FURTHER OUT, THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE.
09:26:49 GOD BLESS.
09:26:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:26:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:26:54 IDA, SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.
09:26:58 USUALLY I JUST HEAR YOU ON THE OTHER END OF THE
09:26:59 TELEPHONE.
09:27:03 CINDY AND I WERE CHATTING THIS MORNING, AND SHE SAW YOU
09:27:06 ON THE SCREEN AND SHE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SHOUT OUT.
09:27:08 I AM GOING TO QUOTE CINDY RIGHT HERE.
09:27:11 SHE SAID IDA IS ALWAYS FIRST CLASS, HELPFUL AND HAPPY
09:27:13 TO HELP.
09:27:15 AND I THINK THAT JUST SAYS IT ALL.
09:27:18 IDA, WE THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
09:27:21 YOU HAVE RAISED -- YOU HAVE RAISED SO MANY OF THOSE --
09:27:27 THOSE GUYS BEHIND YOU, CHIEF CASTOR, CHIEF HODE, CHIEF
09:27:29 -- ALL THOSE OFFICERS OUT THERE.
09:27:32 YOU HAVE RAISED THEM UP TO DO A GREAT THING FOR OUR
09:27:32 COMMUNITY.
09:27:33 AND WE THANK YOU.
09:27:34 GOD BLESS.
09:27:34 >> THANK YOU.
09:27:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:27:42 ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
09:27:46 ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:27:48 I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THE ROOM LIVE HERE
09:27:50 ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
09:27:54 WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND ONE VOICEMAIL.
09:27:59 BUT GO TO THE IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST THOSE THAT
09:28:00 ARE HERE.
09:28:02 IF YOU ARE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE APPROACH THE
09:28:03 LECTERN.
09:28:06 WE WILL SANITIZE IT AFTER EACH PERSON FOR EVERYONE'S
09:28:07 SAFETY AND WE WILL BEGIN.
09:28:17 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:28:19 YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:28:20 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
09:28:24 >> GOOD MORNING, MORA CRUZ LANCE.
09:28:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
09:28:32 >> I WAS HERE FOR -- ON BEHALF OF THE MASK ORDINANCE --
09:28:39 ABOUT THE -- THE LICENSES, THE PURPLE -- I THINK IT WAS
09:28:43 PURPLE GRILL AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.
09:28:48 BUT ANYWAY, I AM JUST HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
09:28:51 I WAS BORN IN TAMPA.
09:28:56 AND I JUST AM SO SAD WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR CITY.
09:28:58 HOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING.
09:29:02 BUT ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK THE COUNCIL IN REFERENCE
09:29:08 TO THE -- THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND IN THESE BUSINESSES.
09:29:12 DID CODE ENFORCEMENT ASK ANY INDIVIDUAL NOT WEARING A
09:29:14 MASK IF THEY --
09:29:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM SORRY TO INTERRUPT
09:29:20 -- IF SHE IS ASKING AS TO SPECIFIC CASES WHAT CODE
09:29:23 ENFORCEMENT MAY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, I THINK THAT MAY
09:29:24 BE RELEVANT TO A HEARING.
09:29:30 I AM CONCERNED ABOUT -- AND I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY FOR
09:29:33 INTERRUPTING, BUT THE CONCERN I HAVE IS GENERAL PUBLIC
09:29:36 COMMENT IS NOT FOR ANYTHING THAT IS QUASI JUDICIAL.
09:29:38 IT IS FOR POLICY AND PROSPECTIVELY.
09:29:42 IT CAN BE GENERAL BUT I WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED IF THE
09:29:45 SPEAKER WOULD JUST TALK IN GENERALITIES AS TO CONCERNS
09:29:48 YOU HAVE PERHAPS WITH PUBLIC POLICY THAT THIS CITY
09:29:51 COUNCIL MAY, IN FACT, MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON SOME TIME
09:29:52 IN THE FUTURE.
09:29:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:29:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
09:29:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BECAUSE THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING
09:30:02 ON THIS ITEM -- OR AN ITEM LIKE THIS LATER ON TODAY, WE
09:30:05 ASK THAT YOU SPEAK JUST IN THE GENERAL ASPECT OF
09:30:09 THINGS, NOT TO SPECIFICS OF ANY CASE, BECAUSE WE HAVE A
09:30:11 HEARING LATER.
09:30:12 >> NO, I UNDERSTAND.
09:30:16 I WAS SWORN IN LAST TIME FOR THAT HEARING.
09:30:21 AND I -- I JUST HAD GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE
09:30:25 ORDINANCE THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE CITY.
09:30:34 AND HOW THESE ORDINANCES.
09:30:37 A QUESTION, THE CITY DOES -- I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS A
09:30:44 MASK MANDATE EXEMPTION FOR MEDICAL.
09:30:47 AND IS THAT -- IS THAT MEDICAL EXEMPTION BEING
09:30:49 CONSIDERED IN ANY OF THESE CASES?
09:30:51 I AM JUST TALK IN GENERAL.
09:30:54 I AM NOT INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THESE CASES.
09:30:56 I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE.
09:30:59 I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN.
09:31:00 I WAS BORN HERE.
09:31:02 I WAS RAISED HERE.
09:31:03 I AM A BUSINESS OWNER.
09:31:08 AND I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO WORK AND TO BUILD A
09:31:09 BUSINESS.
09:31:13 AND WE, AS PEOPLE, HAVE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR
09:31:14 WHAT WE DO.
09:31:19 AND WE ARE ASKING BUSINESSES TO POLICE THESE -- THESE
09:31:20 INDIVIDUALS.
09:31:24 I, MYSELF, AM 65 YEARS OLD.
09:31:29 I HAVE CO-MORBIDITIES AND I HAD COVID, AND THANK GOD I
09:31:30 SURVIVED IT.
09:31:35 SO I'M HERE JUST TO SPEAK ON THESE ISSUES.
09:31:42 AND FOR -- FOR CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
09:31:43 SO -- THESE THINGS.
09:31:47 DID CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION
09:31:51 ANY MASK EXCEPTIONS TO -- YOU KNOW, FOR MEDICAL
09:31:54 REASONS.
09:31:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
09:32:01 MAYBE MISS ZELMAN CAN INTERJECT.
09:32:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS IS HERE.
09:32:08 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
09:32:09 ANDREA ZELMAN.
09:32:12 AND I APPRECIATE MR. SHELBY'S COMMENT BECAUSE WE REALLY
09:32:16 SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING ITEMS THAT MAY COME UP IN A
09:32:18 QUASI-JUDICIAL CONTEXT.
09:32:22 BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S UNDERSTANDING, YES, THE
09:32:30 CITY'S MASK ORDER DOES HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR PEOPLE,
09:32:33 FOR MEDICAL REASONS, CANNOT WEAR A MASK.
09:32:37 REMEMBER FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION AND I AM NOT TALKING OF
09:32:39 ANY SPECIFIC HEARING.
09:32:41 THE AB SUSPENSION HEARINGS ARE BEING CONDUCTED TO
09:32:46 ENFORCE CHAPTER 27, THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE
09:32:49 AND NOT THE MASK ORDER.
09:32:53 EVERY ESTABLISHMENT IN TAMPA THAT HAS AN ALCOHOLIC
09:32:58 BEVERAGE PERMIT IS SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF THAT PERMIT
09:33:01 BOTH CONDITIONS IN THE CODE AND IN THE PERMIT ITSELF
09:33:05 AND THE CODE REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH ALL CITY HEALTH
09:33:07 ORDERS.
09:33:10 AND SO THE HEARINGS ARE BEING CONDUCTED TO ENFORCE THAT
09:33:15 PORTION OF THE CITY CODE, WHICH REQUIRES BUSINESSES TO
09:33:19 BE -- TO COMPLY WITH CITY HEALTH ORDERS.
09:33:23 SO, AGAIN, THE HEARINGS AREN'T BEING CONDUCTED TO
09:33:27 ENFORCE THE MASK ORDER AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE
09:33:27 UNDERSTAND THAT.
09:33:32 THEY ARE BEING CONDUCTED TO ADDRESS ESTABLISHMENTS THAT
09:33:38 HAVEN'T BEEN COMPLYING WITH THEIR OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE
09:33:42 MASK ORDER AS BUSINESS PEOPLE IN TAMPA TO COMPLY WITH
09:33:44 PROVISIONS OF A HEALTH ORDER.
09:33:44 THANK YOU.
09:33:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:33:50 YES, MA'AM.
09:33:50 >> OKAY.
09:33:54 SO I AM -- LIKE I SAID, THIS IS IN GENERAL, FOR ALL
09:33:55 BUSINESSES.
09:33:59 AND I AM JUST CONCERNED.
09:34:03 LIKE, IF YOU WERE STANDING -- THEN THE ORDINANCE ALSO
09:34:06 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IF SOMEBODY IS SITTING AT A BAR,
09:34:11 SITTING AT A TABLE, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
09:34:15 IF SOMEONE REMOVES THEIR MASK TO TAKE A DRINK OR EATING
09:34:17 IS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND COMES AND TAKES THE
09:34:19 PICTURES.
09:34:20 I AM JUST CONCERNED FOR BUSINESSES.
09:34:22 THESE ARE CITY BUSINESSES.
09:34:27 PEOPLE POUR THEIR LIFE SAVINGS INTO THESE BUSINESSES.
09:34:28 AND THEY WORK VERY HARD.
09:34:36 AND I JUST AM VERY CONCERNED THAT THE MASK WAS ADDED TO
09:34:40 THE CITY HEALTH ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF THE COVID.
09:34:41 SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
09:34:45 AND I AM JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BUSINESSES LOSING
09:34:47 THEIR LICENSES.
09:34:51 IT IS VERY HARD TO GET AN ALCOHOL LICENSE FROM WHAT I
09:34:52 UNDERSTAND.
09:34:55 AND I AM JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.
09:34:55 THANK YOU.
09:35:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:35:06 WE WILL SANITIZE THE LECTERN AND ASK FOR THE NEXT
09:35:06 SPEAKER.
09:35:08 I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO MORE AND THEN THE TWO REGISTERED
09:35:16 AND THEN THE VOICEMAIL.
09:35:30 ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER.
09:35:31 GO AHEAD.
09:35:32 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:35:34 >> ELIZABETH ORTIZ.
09:35:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE.
09:35:39 >> ELIZABETH ORTIZ.
09:35:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHEAD.
09:35:44 I AM TRANSLATING FOR JORGE CALLEZ.
09:35:48 HE HAS ACTUALLY A REZONING -- A REZONING --
09:35:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAIT, WHAT NUMBER IS IT?
09:35:54 WHAT NUMBER ON THE AGENDA?
09:35:56 >> I'LL GET IT FOR YOU.
09:35:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
09:36:04 DOES HE HAVE A CASE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL LATER TODAY?
09:36:05 >> NO.
09:36:11 HE WAS ADVISED TO COME BACK TODAY FOR REZ 20-84.
09:36:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 20-84 IS LATER IN THE DAY WHEN WE
09:36:17 OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND YOU WILL HAVE AN
09:36:20 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEN.
09:36:23 WHAT WAS THE ITEM NUMBER AGAIN?
09:36:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 51.
09:36:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE IT HERE.
09:36:31 WHEN WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS LATER TODAY IS WHEN
09:36:33 THE OPPORTUNITY IS TO SPEAK.
09:36:36 YOU WILL HAVE -- WE DON'T DO IT AT THE BEGINNING WHEN
09:36:38 IT IS SPECIFIC CASES.
09:36:42 >> HE WAS ADVISED TO COME AT 9:30.
09:36:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE SET THEM AT 9:30 BUT DON'T
09:36:48 ALWAYS GET IT EXACT.
09:36:53 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.
09:36:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANTED HIM TO HAVE AN
09:36:59 PROXIMATE TIME WHEN THE HEARING IS COMING UP SO YOU CAN
09:37:00 TELL HIM, MR. CHAIRMAN.
09:37:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE SHORT PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:37:05 DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
09:37:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND.
09:37:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE WILL -- WE OPEN THOSE ITEMS.
09:37:14 WE HAVE A PETITION FOR REVIEW BEFORE THEN.
09:37:15 I CAN'T GIVE AN EXACT TIME.
09:37:17 IT COULD BE BEFORE LUNCH.
09:37:20 WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.
09:37:23 SO WE WILL -- WE WILL CALL YOU UP ONCE WE MOVE THROUGH
09:37:26 THE AGENDA, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT TIME.
09:37:27 >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
09:37:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:37:44 ALL RIGHT.
09:37:52 ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:37:53 GO AHEAD, SIR.
09:37:57 >> MENTEZNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:38:01 ONE THING YOU CAN TRULY SAY OF YOU GUYS IN CITY
09:38:03 COUNCIL, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENDERS.
09:38:06 THE FIRST PERSON CAME UP TO SPEAK.
09:38:11 PEOPLE TAKE THEIR TIME TO COME DOWN HERE -- PEOPLE TAKE
09:38:13 THEIR TIME TO COME DOWN HERE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL,
09:38:17 AND YOU CAN'T CALL Y'ALL BY NAME BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE
09:38:18 GODS.
09:38:19 YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THE BODY.
09:38:22 YOU CAN'T ADDRESS THE INDIVIDUAL ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU
09:38:24 ALL ARE GODS AND THEY CAN'T SPEAK FREELY FOR THREE
09:38:25 MINUTES.
09:38:26 THREE MINUTES.
09:38:30 WHO GIVES A -- WHAT IS IN THE AGENDA OR NOT IN THE
09:38:31 AGENDA.
09:38:34 A PRIVATE CITIZEN COMES DOWN HERE, A PERSON WHO IS
09:38:34 CONCERNED.
09:38:36 YOU HAVE A CITY ABOUT 400,000 PEOPLE.
09:38:39 YOU HAVE GOT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE OUT HERE TO
09:38:41 SPEAK AND TWO ON THE PHONE.
09:38:43 FIVE CITIZENS THAT IS INTERESTED IN THE CITY THAT IS
09:38:47 GOING ON WITH ABOUT 500,000, 400,000 PEOPLE AND YOU
09:38:49 INTERRUPT THEIR THREE MINUTES.
09:38:51 IT IS SO DISRESPECTFUL.
09:38:55 NOT HONORABLE AT ALL AND THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LIKE,
09:38:59 Y'ALL LET THEM TALK AND TALK AND SOCIALIZE AND
09:39:02 INVOCATIONS AND PLEDGES AWARDS AND ALL KIND OF NONSENSE
09:39:05 WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE TO EXPRESS HOW THEY FEEL, HOW
09:39:10 THEY SEE, WHAT THEY ENVISION, YOU ARE THIS AND THAT.
09:39:11 YOU ARE DISRESPECTFUL.
09:39:13 Y'ALL NEED TO GROW UP.
09:39:14 THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
09:39:16 YOU ALL NEED TO GROW UP.
09:39:18 YOU NEED SENSITIVITY TRAINING.
09:39:21 YOU NEED SENSITIVITY TRAINING HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE.
09:39:22 THAT'S ALL YOU NEED.
09:39:24 NOTHING MORE.
09:39:24 NOTHING LESS.
09:39:25 PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
09:39:30 YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT FOR THE VOTE LAST WEEK
09:39:33 THAT WAS REAL -- THAT WAS JUST -- IT WAS A GOOD VOTE
09:39:34 FOR THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY.
09:39:36 A GOOD VOTE FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE.
09:39:40 A GOOD VOTE HOW AFRICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TREATED BY THE
09:39:43 POLICE DEPARTMENT SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE POLICE
09:39:45 DEPARTMENT AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE POLICE
09:39:48 DEPARTMENT WHICH HAVE BEEN AS SLAVE CATCHERS.
09:39:51 NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS IN CONVICT LEASING PROGRAMS.
09:39:53 NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS AND THE SAME THING GOING ON
09:39:54 TODAY.
09:39:57 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS TO
09:40:00 GET TO WORK TO REMOVING ALL THE BICYCLE STOPS.
09:40:04 THE ARRESTS OF ALL THE BICYCLE STOPS HAPPENING IN OUR
09:40:09 COMMUNITY, OVER 600,000 BICYCLE STOPS AND YOU HAVE TO
09:40:10 CLEAR THAT OFF THE RECORD.
09:40:13 THE BLACK COMMUNITY -- YOU ARE WHIPPING US ON PAPER.
09:40:14 BEATING US DOWN.
09:40:17 CONFISCATING OUR CARS, IMPOUNDING OUR CARS, PUTTING
09:40:21 FINES AGAINST US WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, RUNNING THROUGH
09:40:22 OUR COMMUNITIES AND DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
09:40:24 THAT HAS TO STOP.
09:40:28 YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY RECONCILIATION OR MOVING FORWARD AND
09:40:32 YOU EVOLVING THE TECHNIQUE OF HOW YOU OPPRESS AFRICAN
09:40:32 PEOPLE.
09:40:33 ALL THAT HAS TO STOP.
09:40:37 YOU HAVE TO STOP THIS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY OFFENSES Y'ALL
09:40:39 BE DOING.
09:40:40 IT HAS TO STOP.
09:40:42 YOU CAN'T TREAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
09:40:44 I HAVE BEEN ARRESTED HERE FOR JUST TRYING TO SPEAK
09:40:45 WITHIN A THREE-MINUTE PERIOD.
09:40:46 BEEN ARRESTED.
09:40:47 ARRESTED.
09:40:49 TAKEN TO JAIL.
09:40:52 CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST ME FOR TRYING TO SPEAK FOR
09:40:52 THREE MINUTES.
09:40:54 MAN, YOU GOT A CERTAIN KIND OF HATE FOR THE PEOPLE.
09:40:58 BUT WHEN IT IS TIME FOR THE VOTE, YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE
09:41:00 LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE.
09:41:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:41:25 >> GOOD MORNING, CLAY DANIELS.
09:41:29 3708 EAST NORTH BAY, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
09:41:34 LAST WEEK CITY COUNCIL ORLANDO GUDES MADE A STATEMENT
09:41:36 WHO CHIEF DUGAN'S BOSS IS.
09:41:37 THAT IS IRRELEVANT.
09:41:40 WE WEREN'T CONCERNED WHO HIS BOSS IS.
09:41:42 WE WERE TRYING GET THIS LIVE MUSIC UNDER CONTROL WHERE
09:41:45 THESE THUGS, PUNKS AND DRUG DEALERS TAKE OVER THE
09:41:48 NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE LOUD MUSIC AT NIGHT AND BEATING
09:41:49 THE SENIOR CITIZENS TO DEATH.
09:41:50 THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
09:41:52 THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.
09:41:55 BUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID A LOT OF GOOD THINGS AND
09:41:58 -- SINCE LAST WEEK, THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SOME GOOD
09:42:00 STUFF AND I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN
09:42:01 EAST TAMPA.
09:42:03 NOW WE ARE GETTING BACK ON TRACK.
09:42:06 BUT CITY COUNCIL HAS GOT TO COME AND DO SOME THINGS THE
09:42:10 SAME AS CHIEF BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF CAME OUT TO MY
09:42:10 HOUSE.
09:42:12 WE STAYED THERE FOR 45 MINUTES.
09:42:13 WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
09:42:15 HE PUT A PROGRAM TOGETHER.
09:42:18 THE PROGRAM IS, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIND SOME MONEY
09:42:21 TO HIRE POLICE FULL TIME TO DEAL WITH THE LOUD MUSIC
09:42:22 PROBLEM.
09:42:26 BUT CITY COUNCIL NEED TO HELP TOO, TO DO THEIR JOB, TO
09:42:28 EARN THEIR MONEY TO COME UP AND WORK WITH CHIEF BENNETT
09:42:31 AND ALL -- TO LOOK FOR MONEY TOO.
09:42:35 WE CAN FIND MONEY FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO FIND
09:42:38 MONEY FOR, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO CERTAIN
09:42:41 NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHAT MONEY LOOKS LIKE.
09:42:43 I WILL ASK YOU ALL TO HELP US WITH THIS PROBLEM.
09:42:47 AND BY THE WAY, I AM VERY HAPPY WITH CHIEF DUGAN AND
09:42:50 CHIEF BROCALE AND MAJOR.
09:42:53 AND LAST WEEK, THEY CAME UP TO THE PLATE.
09:42:55 THEY DID A TREMENDOUS GOOD JOB WITH THE LOUD MUSIC.
09:42:58 THEY ARE REALLY WORKING WITH US OVER THERE IN EAST
09:43:00 TAMPA NOW, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
09:43:03 I WILL BE LESS THAN A MAN IF I DIDN'T SAY I APPRECIATE
09:43:06 WHAT THEY ARE DOING ABOUT THE LOUD MUSIC PROBLEM.
09:43:08 AGAIN, I WILL SAY THIS AND MAKE MYSELF CLEAR.
09:43:10 I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN MY OWN MAN.
09:43:13 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT JOB IS -- THEY PROTECT THE PUBLIC
09:43:17 AND THEY TAKE A JOB THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS.
09:43:19 EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE THEM, THEY COME OUT AND
09:43:21 DO A DANGEROUS JOB.
09:43:22 AND THEY PROTECT US.
09:43:24 WE HAVE TO PROTECT THEM ALSO.
09:43:26 IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
09:43:28 WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY LOOK OUT FOR
09:43:29 US.
09:43:31 AND I -- YOU KNOW, IT IS A DANGEROUS JOB.
09:43:34 BECAUSE WHEN THEY LEAVE HOME, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER
09:43:36 THEY ARE GOING BACK TO AIR FAMILY OR NOT.
09:43:38 THAT IS THE KIND OF JOB IT IS.
09:43:39 WE HAVE TO PROTECT THEM.
09:43:42 AND MORE GOOD POLICE OFFICERS THAN THERE ARE BAD POLICE
09:43:42 OFFICERS.
09:43:44 AND I SAY THAT.
09:43:47 WHAT HAPPENED AT THE STATE DID NOT HAPPEN HERE, YOU
09:43:47 KNOW.
09:43:48 SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
09:43:52 I JUST WANT CITY COUNCIL TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND
09:43:54 LOOK FOR SOME MONEY AND DON'T GO TO SLEEP ON THE JOB.
09:43:58 AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T FORGET EAST TAMPA TO HELP US FIND
09:44:02 SOME MONEY TO HIRE FULL-TIME POLICE TO DEAL WITH THE
09:44:03 LOUD MUSIC PROBLEM.
09:44:05 THE MUSIC IS OUT OF CONTROL.
09:44:08 AND THE PEOPLE RIDING AROUND AT NIGHT PLAYING THE LOUD
09:44:11 MUSIC, DON'T OWN ANYTHING.
09:44:12 THEY ARE NOT VOTERS.
09:44:15 THEY BEATING THE TAXPAYERS TO DEATH.
09:44:17 YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE UP HERE WITH ME.
09:44:19 THERE ARE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS.
09:44:19 YOU KNOW WOMEN DO VOTE.
09:44:21 AND THEY TALK.
09:44:24 WOMEN GET ON THE PHONE AND GOSSIP A LOT AND ONCE THEY
09:44:27 SEE THINGS AND HEAR THINGS, THE WORD GETS OUT.
09:44:28 PEOPLE DON'T FORGET.
09:44:30 SO PEOPLE ARE NOT STUPID.
09:44:32 WE ARE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO REALLY WORK WITH THE
09:44:36 CHIEF BENNETT TO GET SOME MONEY TO DO -- TO TRY HELP
09:44:37 WITH THE LOUD MUSIC PROBLEM.
09:44:37 THANK YOU.
09:44:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:45:10 ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
09:45:16 NEXT SPEAKER.
09:45:18 I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON.
09:45:20 ANYBODY ELSE?
09:45:23 >> NO, NO MORE PEOPLE DOWN HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
09:45:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
09:45:31 IF WE CAN GO TO THE REGISTERED INDIVIDUALS.
09:45:33 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.
09:45:40 THE FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER WAS EZIO PRIETO.
09:45:41 UNFORTUNATELY HE DID NOT CALL IN.
09:45:44 SO WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS
09:45:45 ANDREW MOORE.
09:45:49 ANDREW, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF
09:45:54 AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
09:45:56 >> HELLO, MY NAME IS ANDREW MOORE.
09:46:00 I AM A RESIDENT OF BOGEN HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:46:02 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN
09:46:04 DEALING WITH AN ONGOING PARKING PROBLEM WITH A
09:46:05 COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
09:46:07 THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARKS COMMERCIAL VEHICLES
09:46:11 THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ON
09:46:14 BOTH RESIDENTIAL ZONED LAND AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL
09:46:14 LAND.
09:46:17 THIS HAS BECOME AN EXTREME EYESORE FOR THE
09:46:18 NEIGHBORHOOD.
09:46:21 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS FILLED WITH MORE THAN A DOZEN FLEET
09:46:23 VEHICLES AS WELL AS EMPLOYEE VEHICLES THROUGHOUT OUR
09:46:25 NEIGHBORHOOD EACH MORNING.
09:46:28 SOME OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE ON THE BOARD HERE ARE
09:46:30 FAMILIAR WITH OUR ISSUE.
09:46:34 I AM CALLING ON THE COUNCIL TODAY TO TAKE ACTION AND TO
09:46:36 PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THIS COMMERCIAL
09:46:39 ENCROACHMENT.
09:46:42 THERE ARE ORDINANCES IN PLACE WRITTEN TO PROTECT
09:46:45 NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMEOWNER AND THESE ORDINANCES ARE
09:46:48 NOT BEING UPHELD AND I AM CALLING ON COUNCIL TO UPHOLD
09:46:49 THEM.
09:46:55 I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ENFORCE 27-283-11 AS IT IS WRITTEN
09:46:58 AND NOT ALLOW CIRCUMVENTION.
09:47:02 IF NEEDED, I AM ASKING TO YOU REMOVE SECTION 27-283-11
09:47:07 TO SECTION 15 SO IT CAN BE ENFORCED PROPERLY IF NEEDED.
09:47:10 FINALLY I AM ALSO ASKING TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC AND
09:47:14 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WHEN HOMES ARE DEMOLISHED IN
09:47:17 THE FUTURE AND THAT THE APPROVED USE BEFORE THEY ARE
09:47:21 DEMOLISHED IS APPROVED FOR THE FUTURE USE.
09:47:25 IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD LIKE TO CITE SOME OF THE
09:47:30 DEFINITIONS FROM SECTION 27-43 IS RELEVANT TO THE ISSUE
09:47:31 I AM TALKING ABOUT.
09:47:33 THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT.
09:47:39 THIS IS VEHICLES, MACHINERY, MATERIALS OR FURNISHINGS
09:47:43 OWNED, USED OR DESIGNATED FOR INTENDED USE FOR
09:47:46 COMMERCIAL PURPOSES EXCEPT THAT OF A PERSONAL VEHICLE,
09:47:52 CAR, ONE-TON PICKUP OR VAN USED BY AN INDIVIDUAL FOR
09:47:56 TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM HOME AND THE CAR SITE WILL
09:47:59 NOT BE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, REGARDLESS OF
09:48:02 ANY COMMERCIAL INSIGNIAS AND MARKED ADVERTISEMENTS ON
09:48:03 THE VEHICLE.
09:48:06 I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN OUR
09:48:10 NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT AT A JOBSITE, AND THEY ARE NOT AT
09:48:12 AN INDIVIDUAL'S HOME.
09:48:16 THESE VEHICLES FALL OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW WHAT IS
09:48:16 PROTECTED.
09:48:20 AND I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY TO START
09:48:22 ENFORCING THIS.
09:48:26 I ALSO WANT TO CITE A COUPLE OF MORE THINGS FROM
09:48:27 SECTION 27.
09:48:29 AND THIS IS THAT THE COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT AND
09:48:33 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE PARKING OF COMMERCIAL
09:48:36 EQUIPMENT OF ANY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS PROHIBITED.
09:48:40 THIS REQUIREMENT SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED TO PROHIBIT
09:48:43 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES FROM LOADING AND UNLOADING IN ANY
09:48:46 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND SHALL NOT PREVENT TEMPORARY
09:48:47 PARKING OF VEHICLES ON A LOT.
09:48:52 AS AN ACCESSORY TO LAWFUL COMMERCIAL USE OF THE SAME
09:48:56 RELATION LOT OR REQUIRE SUCH VEHICLES TO BE GARAGED.
09:48:59 PARKING IS PERMITTED HOWEVER IN ANY -- WITHIN ANY
09:49:04 ENTIRELY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE WHICH MEETS REQUIREMENTS
09:49:05 FOR THE APPLICABLE ZONE.
09:49:08 I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PARKING I AM TALKING ABOUT
09:49:12 HAS GONE ON FOR THREE YEARS, NOT TEMPORARY AS POINTED
09:49:14 OUT IN SECTION 27.
09:49:17 IT ALSO -- SECTION 27 ALSO SAYS THAT THE PARKING OF
09:49:21 COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT IS -- IS PROHIBITED.
09:49:26 IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE LOT BE -- BE USED AT THE WORK
09:49:30 BEING DONE BEING DONE LAWFULLY ON AN ADJACENT LOT.
09:49:33 AND THE LOT IS NOT -- AND THE WORK IS NOT BEING DONE
09:49:35 LAWFULLY.
09:49:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
09:49:43 ALL RIGHT, I -- I WILL BRING SOME STUFF DURING NEW
09:49:47 BUSINESS REGARDING WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE ABOUT.
09:49:50 SO WE WILL GET TO THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
09:49:54 ANYBODY ELSE FOR REGISTERED SPEAKERS?
09:49:57 ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO THE ONE VOICEMAIL TODAY AND WE
09:50:00 WILL CONTINUE WITH THE AGENDA.
09:50:03 >> MY NAME IS ANGEL DEANGELO.
09:50:06 BORN AND RAISED IN TAMPA, 33604.
09:50:08 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING IMPORTANT.
09:50:13 YOU ARE DOING AN ORDINANCE TO PUT FOR THE PROPOSED DRUG
09:50:14 PROBLEM.
09:50:16 STOP IT, STOP IT.
09:50:18 IT DOES NOT WORK.
09:50:19 INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:50:19 IT IS NOT WORKING.
09:50:21 WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE SAME THING FOR SO LONG.
09:50:26 YOU KNOW IT IS GOING TO TARGET AND MARGINALIZE BLACK,
09:50:33 BROWN, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHICH IS THE INTENT OBVIOUSLY.
09:50:36 I WAS AT THE EAST TAMPA ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WANT TO
09:50:38 TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT I AM IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND
09:50:39 THIS CITY IN GENERAL.
09:50:42 SO MANY TECHNOLOGICAL ERRORS.
09:50:42 UNACCEPTABLE.
09:50:45 PEOPLE COULD NOT HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD TO PARTICIPATE
09:50:45 IN THE COMMUNITY.
09:50:48 AND THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS WORKING SO HARD TO FIGHT
09:50:49 FOR EAST TAMPA.
09:50:52 EAST TAMPA IS THE MOST VIBRANT AND BEAUTIFUL PART OF
09:50:53 TAMPA.
09:50:57 YBOR CITY ITSELF IS ROOTED IN BLACK, CUBAN, SPANISH
09:51:03 CUBAN, AND NEWLY FREED BLACK AMERICANS WHEN THE REST OF
09:51:06 TAMPA DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE
09:51:07 UNDESIRED.
09:51:08 TWO TAMPAS FOR A REASON.
09:51:11 WHY IS EAST TAMPA ALWAYS BEING NEGLECTED?
09:51:14 WITHOUT EAST TAMPA, THERE WOULD BE NONE OF THESE
09:51:14 THINGS.
09:51:16 WITHOUT EAST TAMPA AND WITHOUT THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE
09:51:18 INSIDE OF IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS
09:51:20 THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.
09:51:23 THE ART AND CULTURE OF TAMPA ALL STEM FROM EAST TAMPA.
09:51:26 AND THE POOR PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA.
09:51:28 DEFUND THE POLICE AND REFUND THE COMMUNITY.
09:51:31 STOP SPENDING PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO TELL EAST
09:51:32 TAMPA WHAT THEY WANT.
09:51:34 NO TIME FOR REC CENTERS.
09:51:35 YES, THAT IS IMPORTANT.
09:51:38 NO TIME FOR THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE STARVING ON THE STREET
09:51:42 AND WORKING SURVIVAL ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT
09:51:43 FIND SUSTAINABLE WORK.
09:51:45 THERE IS NO TRANSIT.
09:51:47 THEY CAN'T HIRE RETURNING CITIZENS.
09:51:48 THIS IS SYSTEMIC.
09:51:53 DONE BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
09:51:54 AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
09:51:58 LET'S GET MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF POLICING
09:52:00 AND NO MORE PLAQUE AND AWARDS.
09:52:02 YOU HEARD WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SAID.
09:52:05 EAST TAMPA NEEDS TO BE THE PRIORITY FORWARD BECAUSE
09:52:08 ONCE WE BUILD UP AND UPLIFT THE PEOPLE OF EAST TAMPA,
09:52:10 EVERYTHING ELSE WILL FALL INTO PLACE.
09:52:12 THERE IS MORE TO THIS CITY THAN SOUTH TAMPA.
09:52:15 SOUTH TAMPA IS NOTHING COMPARED TO EAST TAMPA.
09:52:17 IN EAST TAMPA, YOU ARE WELCOMED.
09:52:21 YOU ARE TREATED WITH LOVE AND RESPECT, BARBEQUE,
09:52:24 COMMUNITY IS HAPPY TO SEE YOU, AND THE COMMUNITY WORKS
09:52:24 TOGETHER.
09:52:26 THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN SOUTH.
09:52:30 WE NEED MORE FOCUS IN EAST TAMPA.
09:52:34 AND LISTEN TO WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY
09:52:39 ERA COMMITTEE ARE SAYING AND DO WHAT IS REQUESTED.
09:52:41 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
09:52:43 SUPPORT EAST TAMPA AND THE GROWTH OF ALL THE
09:52:45 MARGINALIZED PEOPLE.
09:52:49 WE CAN NO LONGER STAND BY AND LET PEOPLE BE
09:52:52 UNINTENTIONALLY UNDERSERVED.
09:52:56 DEFUND THE POLICE AND BUILD UP EAST TAMPA IN WHAT THE
09:52:58 DETERMINATION OF WHAT THEY SAY THEY NEED.
09:52:59 THANK YOU.
09:53:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
09:53:03 THAT'S IT, IS THAT CORRECT?
09:53:08 YOU REMEMBER DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, A MAN AND A WOMAN
09:53:09 ON A SECOND READING.
09:53:15 SHE IS ACTING AS A TRANSLATOR, AND SHE HAS TO LEAVE --
09:53:19 NOT RIGHT -- BUT ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA,
09:53:23 IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL, CAN WE MOVE ITEM
09:53:27 51 TO THE -- IT IS JUST A SECOND READING.
09:53:27 VERY GOOD.
09:53:30 HAVING -- YES?
09:53:33 >> SORRY, I FORGET TO MAKE ONE GENERAL STATEMENT
09:53:33 EARLIER.
09:53:36 IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GETTING THE STAFF REPORTS LATER
09:53:36 AND LATER.
09:53:39 I THINK OUR RULES ARE THAT THE STAFF REPORTS ARE
09:53:41 SUPPOSED TO BE --
09:53:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 1:30.
09:53:45 >>BILL CARLSON: THURSDAY THE WEEK BEFORE, RIGHT?
09:53:47 WE ARE GETTING SOME OF THEM, LIKE, AT NIGHT.
09:53:49 I READ EVERYTHING.
09:53:51 I THINK YOU ALL DO TOO.
09:53:53 BUT READ IF THREE OR FOUR TIMES BECAUSE THE REPORTS
09:53:55 AREN'T IN, IT TAKES THAT MUCH LONGER.
09:54:00 AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE STRICT ABOUT THE CUTOFF.
09:54:03 I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT STAFF IS DOING WITH
09:54:05 COVID AND EVERYTHING IS SLOWING THEM DOWN, BUT SOMEHOW
09:54:10 WE NEED TO PUT AN AUTOMATIC DEFERRAL OR CONTINUANCE IF
09:54:13 THE REPORTS DON'T GET IN A FEW DAYS IN ADVANCE.
09:54:14 WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER.
09:54:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE ALL THIS SCHEDULED FOR
09:54:17 1:30.
09:54:20 SO WHEN WE START THAT UP, WE WILL BRING UP THAT
09:54:22 DISCUSSION.
09:54:26 ALL RIGHT, HAVING SAID THAT, COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:54:28 YOU ARE THE CHAIR OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
09:54:31 WOULD YOU MIND MOVING ITEMS 3-6.
09:54:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MOVE ITEMS 3
09:54:35 TO 6.
09:54:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND.
09:54:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:54:39 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:54:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:54:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:54:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:54:46 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:54:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:54:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:54:53 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:54:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
09:54:58 MOVE ITEM 7-9.
09:55:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
09:55:02 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:55:03 ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:55:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:55:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:55:07 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:55:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:55:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:55:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:55:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:55:17 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRY UNANIMOUSLY.
09:55:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
09:55:22 10-14.
09:55:23 ITEM 15 WAS PULLED.
09:55:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED 10-14.
09:55:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.
09:55:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL.
09:55:33 >>CLERK: DINGFELDER.
09:55:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:55:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:55:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:55:38 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:55:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:55:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:55:43 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:55:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT UP COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, 16-20.
09:55:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE ITEM 16-20.
09:55:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
09:55:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
09:55:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:55:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:55:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:56:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:56:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:56:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:56:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:56:07 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:56:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ITEMS 20-34
09:56:14 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER 24, BECAUSE IT IS A
09:56:16 DUPLICATE AND WE REMOVED IT.
09:56:22 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE 21-34 MINUS -- 21-34 WITH THE
09:56:24 EXCEPTION OF 24.
09:56:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:56:28 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
09:56:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:56:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:56:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:56:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:56:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:56:37 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:56:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:56:41 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:56:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 35-39.
09:56:45 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR -- TURN ON
09:56:46 MICROPHONE.
09:56:48 I MOVE 35-39.
09:56:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
09:56:52 A SECOND?
09:56:56 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:56:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
09:56:57 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
09:56:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
09:57:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
09:57:02 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
09:57:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
09:57:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
09:57:08 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
09:57:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO SET ITEM 40 --
09:57:16 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HELD APRIL 15 AT 10:30.
09:57:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,
09:57:22 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:57:24 ALL IN FAVOR.
09:57:25 ANY OPPOSED.
09:57:29 MOTION 9:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
09:57:35 A MOTION AND SECOND.
09:57:38 AS MENTIONED, ITEM 51, IF WE CAN TAKE THAT NOW BECAUSE
09:57:40 WE HAVE A TRANSLATOR HERE.
09:57:44 AND IF YOU ARE HERE FOR 51, PLEASE COME TO THE LECTERN
09:57:50 AND WE WILL SWEAR NEW AS WELL AS MR. MANASSE AND
09:57:52 ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CASE.
09:57:56 IF YOU WILL BOTH APPROACH THE LECTERN AND RAISE YOUR
09:57:57 RIGHT HAND.
09:57:59 WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN AT THIS TIME.
09:58:02 >>CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
09:58:04 ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
09:58:05 TRUTH.
09:58:06 >> YES.
09:58:07 >> I DO.
09:58:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MANASSE.
09:58:11 >>RYAN MANASSE: THANK YOU.
09:58:19 ITEM 51 -- RZ 20-54.
09:58:24 BEING PRESENTED FOR YOU EUCLIDIAN REZONING AND NO SITE
09:58:26 PLAN TO BE REVISED OR TURNED IN.
09:58:31 2513 AND 2515 NORTH 57TH STREET.
09:58:36 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS RM-16 THROUGH IG.
09:58:38 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
09:58:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS
09:58:41 TIME?
09:58:42 HEARING NONE.
09:58:44 ALL RIGHT.
09:58:46 APPLICANT, YES, MA'AM?
09:58:49 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
09:58:51 AT THE LECTERN.
09:58:54 >> ELIZABETH ORTIZ.
09:58:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE PETITIONER'S NAME.
09:58:58 >> JORGE CALVEZ.
09:59:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME?
09:59:06 >> NO, THANK YOU.
09:59:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
09:59:09 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK?
09:59:13 I KNOW WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR 51.
09:59:16 BUT ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE FOR 51?
09:59:19 IF NOT, A MOTION TO CLOSE.
09:59:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO CLOSE.
09:59:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
09:59:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR.
09:59:26 AYE.
09:59:28 MEMBER CARLSON, READ ITEM NUMBER 51.
09:59:31 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE NUMBER REZ
09:59:35 20-84, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING
09:59:38 ADOPTION REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF
09:59:42 2513 AND 2515 NORTH 57TH STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
09:59:45 FLORIDA, MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED FROM ZONING
09:59:51 DISTRICT RM-16 TO MULTIFAMILY TO IG, INDUSTRIAL
09:59:52 GENERAL.
09:59:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
09:59:56 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
09:59:58 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:00:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:00:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:00:03 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:00:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:00:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:00:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:00:11 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:00:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, YOU ARE ALL SET.
10:00:15 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:00:16 >> THANK YOU.
10:00:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY.
10:00:18 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:00:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 41.
10:00:34 MR. MANASSE, YOU HAVE BEEN BORN -- SORRY, JENNIFER
10:00:36 MALONE.
10:00:37 >>JENNIFER MALONE: I APOLOGIZE.
10:00:39 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
10:00:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DID YOU GET SWORN IN ALREADY?
10:00:42 >>JENNIFER MALONE: I DID NOT.
10:00:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
10:00:46 >>CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SWEAR OR
10:00:48 AFFIRM THAT THE SYSTEM YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE TODAY IS
10:00:51 THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
10:00:54 >>JENNIFER MALONE: I DO.
10:00:55 >>CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:00:58 >>JENNIFER MALONE: ITEM NUMBER 41 IS A PLAN AMENDMENT.
10:01:01 IT IS CLEANING UP LANGUAGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
10:01:02 RELATING TO CRACK HOUSES.
10:01:06 TRANSMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY
10:01:12 AND IT IS BEFORE YOU FOR ADOPTION, SECOND READING.
10:01:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:01:17 ANYONE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 41.
10:01:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:01:21 >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND.
10:01:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR -- MR. MIRANDA, DO
10:01:24 YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?
10:01:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY I WAS ABSENT AND SOME
10:01:29 OF THESE COMING UP.
10:01:32 I HAVE READ ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND PREPARED TO VOTE AND
10:01:35 THAT IS BECAUSE I HAD THE COVID-19 AND I WAS IN AND OUT
10:01:35 OF THE HOSPITAL.
10:01:36 THANK YOU.
10:01:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE UNDERSTAND, SIR, NO PROBLEM.
10:01:50 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST REAL QUICK, WE ARE REMOVING THE
10:01:53 TERM "CRACK HOUSE" BECAUSE IT WAS SEEN AS AN OFFENSIVE
10:01:55 TERM.
10:01:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: READ ITEM NUMBER 41.
10:02:02 >> CA-TPA-2004.
10:02:06 ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING ORDINANCE AMENDING THE
10:02:10 IMAGINE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FUTURE LAND USE LAND
10:02:15 USE OBJECT 11.3, RENUMBERING THE OBJECTIVES IMMEDIATELY
10:02:19 FOLLOWING AND MODIFYING LANGUAGE FOR THE TAMPA CITY
10:02:21 POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FOCUS ON NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME AND
10:02:24 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCE, PROVIDING
10:02:29 SEVERABILITY, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:02:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES AND
10:02:34 SECOND FROM VIERA.
10:02:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:02:39 >>CLERK: DINGFELDER?
10:02:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SORRY, YES.
10:02:47 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:02:50 >>CLERK: CITRO.
10:02:51 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:02:57 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY WITH CITRO BEING
10:02:58 ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:03:02 ITEM NUMBER 42, MISS MALONE.
10:03:03 >>JENNIFER MALONE: WILLIAMS PARK AND IT WAS TRANSPORTED
10:03:06 AND OVER TEN ACRES.
10:03:09 THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY HAD NO COMMENT
10:03:11 AND IT IS BEFORE YOU AGAIN FOR SECOND READING AND
10:03:12 ADOPTION.
10:03:15 I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:03:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS.
10:03:25 ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 42?
10:03:31 NO ONE REGISTERED.
10:03:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMEBODY AT THE KIOSK.
10:03:48 CAN WE GET THE KIOSK UP JUST TO MAKE SURE?
10:03:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:03:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
10:03:54 CITRO.
10:03:55 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
10:03:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:03:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:03:59 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:04:01 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:04:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU --
10:04:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YES.
10:04:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULD BE GLAD
10:04:13 TO READ IT BUT GO AHEAD, JOE.
10:04:15 42.
10:04:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:04:26 FILE NUMBER CA/TPA 20-12, AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED
10:04:28 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:04:32 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
10:04:35 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE
10:04:39 LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED 4362 EAST
10:04:43 OSBOURNE AVENUE, AND OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WILLIAMS PARK,
10:04:48 FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, LA TO RECREATIONAL/OPEN SPACE,
10:04:58 R/OS, TO RECREATIONAL/OPEN SPACE R/OS PROVIDING FOR
10:05:02 REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT; PROVIDING FOR
10:05:07 SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:05:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:05:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:05:15 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:05:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:05:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:05:21 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:05:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:05:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:05:26 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:05:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:05:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:05:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 43.
10:05:40 >>JENNIFER MALONE: ITEM TA/CPA 20-21.
10:05:45 THE CSX RIGHT-OF-WAY AND IT IS BACK FOR SECOND READING.
10:05:47 I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
10:05:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS
10:05:50 TIME.
10:05:54 DOES ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER
10:05:55 43.
10:05:56 HEARING NONE, SEEING NONE.
10:05:57 A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:05:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
10:05:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:06:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:06:06 COUNCILMAN VIERA, WILL YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 43.
10:06:09 >>LUIS VIERA: SURE, MR. CHAIR, MY PLEASURE, I MOVE AN
10:06:15 ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, ORDINANCE
10:06:18 AMENDING THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE FUTURE
10:06:21 LAND USE ELEMENT, FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE PROPERTY
10:06:25 LOCATED WEST OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, SOUTH OF WEST
10:06:29 CASS STREET AND EAST OF NORTH WILLOW AVENUE FROM URBAN
10:06:36 MIXED USE-60, UM-60 GENERAL MIX USED USE-24, AND
10:06:42 PUBLIC/SEMI PUBLIC, TO URBAN MIXED USE-60.
10:06:46 PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCE AND OF PROVIDING FOR
10:06:49 SEVERABILITY.
10:06:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:06:57 DINGFELDER?
10:07:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
10:07:04 SOMEBODY REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THIS REAL QUICK.
10:07:06 AND I AM SORRY.
10:07:12 I WAS TRYING TO SQUEEZE THAT IN BEFORE WE CLOSE --
10:07:16 BEFORE WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:07:18 I DO RECALL --
10:07:21 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING
10:07:30 THAT ITEM, MR. CHAIRMAN, ITEM 43.
10:07:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE MR. DINGFELDER, THIS IS ONE WE
10:07:35 HAD A LITTLE CONTROVERSY WITH STAFF ON.
10:07:39 THAT IS WHY I VOTED NO ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
10:07:41 I DO REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION.
10:07:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:07:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES MR. DINGFELDER WANT A
10:07:51 PRESENTATION BRIEFLY FROM STAFF?
10:07:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:07:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:08:01 SO -- I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT CSX AND -- I AM JUST
10:08:03 HAVING TROUBLE REMEMBERING THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL.
10:08:07 IS THIS THE ONE THAT IS SORT OF A SLIVER, A LONG SLIVER
10:08:13 NEXT TO -- NEXT TO -- MISS FEL LEY.
10:08:14 YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
10:08:16 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY,
10:08:19 DIRECTOR OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
10:08:23 I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN, AND MELANIE CALLOWAY IS HERE
10:08:24 WITH ME.
10:08:25 >>CLERK: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
10:08:27 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT
10:08:30 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
10:08:32 >> YES, I DO.
10:08:34 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:08:37 I WANTED TO COME AND BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION THIS
10:08:38 MORNING.
10:08:40 I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ON THIS APPLICATION
10:08:46 WHEN IT CAME BEFORE YOU ORIGINALLY ON JANUARY 28.
10:08:49 TRANSPORTATION DURING YOUR BRIEFING HAD OBJECTION TO
10:08:53 THIS APPLICATION AND THEN AT THE HEARING THAT OBJECTION
10:08:56 HAD BEEN MODIFIED TO BE AN ADVISEMENT.
10:08:59 AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTION AS TO WHY THAT CHANGED,
10:09:01 WHAT HAD HAPPENED, AND I REALLY FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT
10:09:05 TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY AND TAKE A MOMENT TO EXPLAIN
10:09:05 THAT.
10:09:09 WHEN THAT OBJECTION WAS RAISED DURING THOSE BRIEFINGS,
10:09:11 IT THEN CAME BACK TO ME.
10:09:14 IT WAS -- I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS
10:09:15 WERE MADE.
10:09:18 I HAVE NOT RETURNED TO THE CITY AT THAT POINT.
10:09:22 AND I -- I LOOKED AT THE OBJECTION AND LOOKED AT THE
10:09:26 POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES THAT MISS CALLOWAY HAD BROUGHT
10:09:29 FORWARD, HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH HER ABOUT THAT, AND
10:09:32 WHAT REALLY WAS IMPORTANT IN RELATION WITH THIS
10:09:33 APPLICATION.
10:09:36 WHAT WAS IT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU
10:09:38 AND MAKE YOU AWARE OF.
10:09:41 THE PROPERTY ALREADY HAS ENTITLEMENTS.
10:09:45 THEY ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE THOSE ENTITLEMENTS.
10:09:49 THERE HAVE BEEN ACTIVITY AROUND THAT AREA THAT THE CITY
10:09:52 HAD PURSUED IN ORDER TO KEEP STREETS OPEN, TO PROVIDE
10:09:56 ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL FOR THE FUTURE USE OF THE RAIL
10:09:59 CORRIDOR AS A MULTIMODAL SYSTEM FOR THE CITY.
10:10:00 AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.
10:10:02 THAT IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY OF OURS.
10:10:07 THE QUESTION BECAME, WE DID NOT HAVE AN EASEMENT OVER
10:10:07 THE PROPERTY.
10:10:10 WE DID NOT HAVE A VESTED RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY.
10:10:12 IT WAS CSX PROPERTY.
10:10:17 WE DID NOT HAVE HAVING IN OUR CIP OR FUTURE PLANS TO
10:10:19 ACQUIRE IT.
10:10:24 SO WE WERE NOT COMFORTABLE AS A TEAM RAISING THAT AS AN
10:10:28 OBJECTION, BUT WHAT I DID FEEL WAS CRITICAL AND WHAT
10:10:32 MISS CALLOWAY WAS BRINGING FORWARD WERE OUR GOALS AND
10:10:36 OBJECTIVES RELATED TO THE CSX LINE SERVING AS A
10:10:39 MULTIMODAL SYSTEM IN ORDER TO FURTHER OUR
10:10:40 TRANSPORTATION GOALS IN THE CITY.
10:10:47 AND AT THAT POINT, I DID DISCUSS WITH THE ITEM WITH
10:10:54 VIK BHIDE, WITH GINA GRIMES, WITH CATE WELLS.
10:10:56 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE BRING AN OBJECTION, IT IS
10:10:59 AN OBJECTION AND BASIS OF DENIAL FOR YOU.
10:11:01 AND I WAS NOT FEELING THAT WAY ON THIS MATTER.
10:11:06 AS I INDICATED, I WAS FEELING INCREDIBLY -- THAT IT WAS
10:11:09 INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WHAT MISS CALLOWAY WAS
10:11:12 BRINGING FORWARD SHOULD BE AN ADVERTISEMENT AND BE
10:11:14 TAKEN INTO YOUR CONSIDERATION WHEN THE REZONING COMES
10:11:18 BACK FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT THE PROJECT HAVE A
10:11:21 RELATIONSHIP TO THAT RAIL LINE AND BE ABLE TO FULFILL
10:11:25 THOSE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF OUR
10:11:26 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
10:11:30 THAT IS WHY THE MEMORANDUM WAS CHANGED.
10:11:32 I AM APOLOGETIC.
10:11:35 IT WAS UNFORTUNATE IT COULDN'T BE COMMUNICATED TO YOU
10:11:37 THAT EVENING AS TO WHAT HAD GONE INTO MAKING THAT
10:11:41 MODIFICATION AND MAKING SURE THAT THE INFORMATION THAT
10:11:45 WAS PROVIDED TO YOU WAS IN -- IN A SOUND AND GOOD
10:11:47 POSITION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
10:11:50 AND THIS IS ALWAYS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO ME.
10:11:54 SO MISS CALLOWAY IS HERE WITH ME TODAY AND CAN SPEAK TO
10:11:57 THOSE POLICIES AND HOW THEY PLAY INTO OUR SYSTEM AND
10:12:02 WHAT OUR GOAL WILL BE ONCE THIS COMES IN FOR REZONING.
10:12:08 WE DIDN'T WANT TO LET IT GO UNSPOKEN AS TO IT NOT BEING
10:12:14 BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION AT ALL.
10:12:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:12:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MISS FEELEY, FOR THAT
10:12:25 EXPLANATION.
10:12:30 MISS CALLOWAY, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
10:12:35 OUR LONG-TERM PARTICIPANT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AND A
10:12:37 VALUED MEMBER OF OUR TEAM.
10:12:41 SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD, I THINK
10:12:50 WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT.
10:12:54 >> I THINK ABBYE ALREADY ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT WAS
10:12:55 SAID.
10:12:56 AND I HAD ADDRESSED YOU BEFORE.
10:12:59 I TOLD YOU THE BACKGROUND ON THIS PROPERTY AND SUCH.
10:13:04 AND REMEMBER THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO KEEP THAT
10:13:11 PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE RAIL FOR THE REZONING.
10:13:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.
10:13:17 SO IF I AM HEARING CORRECTLY, IT IS REALLY JUST A
10:13:20 MATTER OF PROCESS.
10:13:25 I THINK THE CITY HAS SOME -- SOME CONCERNS AND PERHAPS
10:13:31 SOME NEEDS FOR THE COMMUNITY IN REGARD TO ACCESS AND
10:13:35 FUTURE ACCESS TO THE TRACTS.
10:13:40 BUT PERHAPS AS A MATTER OF PROCESS THAT THIS COMP PLAN
10:13:43 PHASE, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO
10:13:44 BRING IT UP.
10:13:48 AND MISS WELLS, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN ON THAT, THAT'S
10:13:48 FINE.
10:13:53 I THINK I AM IN AGREEMENT.
10:13:56 BUT I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY MADE IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO
10:14:01 THE PETITIONER AND THE OWNER -- THE FUTURE OWNER THAT
10:14:05 -- THAT IF AND WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A REZONING ON THIS
10:14:08 PARCEL, THAT IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE
10:14:11 COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCESS IS ADDRESSED.
10:14:15 SO THAT IS JUST SORT OF A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW FOR A
10:14:17 FUTURE DATE.
10:14:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:14:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. DINGFELDER, FOR
10:14:22 BRINGING THAT UP.
10:14:25 THANK YOU MISS FEELEY FOR COMING FORWARD GIVING THE
10:14:26 COUNCIL THE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
10:14:31 I NEVER LIKE STAFF OR SUBORDINATES TO BE PUT UNDER
10:14:34 PRESSURE WHEN MANAGEMENT IS MAKING DECISION AND THEY
10:14:36 ARE TRYING TO GIVE THEIR HONEST OPINION TO THIS
10:14:36 COUNCIL.
10:14:39 AND YOU DID COME FORTH TO GIVE A EXPLANATION WHAT IS
10:14:43 GOING ON AND SEEMS LIKE MISS CALLOWAY SEEMS TO BE
10:14:46 COMFORTABLE TODAY WITH THE INFORMATION RELAYED TO THIS
10:14:46 COUNCIL.
10:14:50 SO THIS THAT RELATION, I WILL SUPPORT THE ITEM THIS
10:14:50 MORNING.
10:14:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I ASK FOR ANOTHER MOTION TO
10:14:52 CLOSE.
10:14:55 IF YOU WERE NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF.
10:14:57 I THINK I RECOGNIZE THE VOICE.
10:15:01 SOUNDS LIKE IT IS SOMEONE WHO COULD BE NAMED TYLER WHO
10:15:02 IS COMING UP TO SPEAK.
10:15:05 IF YOU ARE SPEAKING -- SORRY, IF YOU WERE NOT MUTED AND
10:15:08 NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF.
10:15:10 CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:15:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
10:15:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:15:18 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:15:21 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, READ ITEM 43.
10:15:22 OR YOU ARE GOING TO PASS.
10:15:25 >>CLERK: WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION WITH VIERA --
10:15:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:15:31 >>CLERK: MIRANDA SECOND.
10:15:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:15:34 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:15:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:15:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:15:39 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:15:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:15:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:15:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:15:51 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:15:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I GUESS THE WRONG VOICE.
10:15:55 NOT THAT PERSON THAT WAS SPEAKING.
10:15:58 BUT I APPRECIATE WHOEVER WAS THAT MUTED THEMSELVES.
10:15:59 ALL RIGHT.
10:16:09 ITEM NUMBER 44.
10:16:13 >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, ABBYE FEELEY OF
10:16:13 LAND DEVELOPMENT.
10:16:17 ITEM NUMBER 44 IS THE REVISION TO THE DEFINITION OF
10:16:20 "HEIGHT" IN RELATION TO THE ADOPTION OF THE REVISED
10:16:23 FLOOD MAP AND THE UPDATED FLOOD ORDINANCE.
10:16:26 ONE ITEM -- I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THIS IN RELATION
10:16:28 TO THIS ITEM.
10:16:31 AT FIRST READING, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER MADE A COMMENT
10:16:34 AFTER WE HAD THE FIRST READING ABOUT STAFF DOING SOME
10:16:37 ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THAT HEIGHT, COMING BACK,
10:16:40 LOOKING AT ST. PETE, ADDITIONAL SETBACK OF THE
10:16:41 BUILDING.
10:16:44 AND DURING THAT CONVERSATION, HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF
10:16:46 YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION NOW OR LATER.
10:16:50 WHEN I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE MINUTES BECAUSE THIS
10:16:54 ITEM CAME UP AGAIN IN SOME CORRESPONDENCE AND I WANTED
10:16:58 TO SAY, OH, YES, WE ARE COMING BACK ON THAT IN THIS
10:16:58 DATE.
10:17:02 I REALIZE THE MOTION WAS NEVER MADE AND I LOOKED AT
10:17:04 THAT LATE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
10:17:06 SO I THINK THERE WAS AN INTENT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT
10:17:09 ITEM FOR FURTHER RESEARCH AND COMING BACK BEFORE YOU.
10:17:11 I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OFFICIALLY MADE.
10:17:16 I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE ON THE RECORD AND I WANTED TO
10:17:19 BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL.
10:17:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
10:17:23 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
10:17:23 YES, MA'AM.
10:17:26 >>CLERK: JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION WAS MADE AND IT
10:17:33 IS REFLECTED ON THE UPDATED ACCESS SUMMARY AND A
10:17:34 ANNOUNCEMENT WILL BE SENT OUT.
10:17:37 AUGUST 26 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
10:17:39 YOU WILL RECEIVE THAT UPDATE THAT INCLUDES ST. PETE AND
10:17:40 ALL THAT.
10:17:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
10:17:42 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:17:44 >>CLERK: YOU ARE WELCOME.
10:17:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON
10:17:49 THIS ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, 44.
10:17:56 ITEM NUMBER 44.
10:17:58 I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYBODY.
10:18:03 CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:18:05 YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:18:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:18:11 ABBYE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THAT POINT.
10:18:17 AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
10:18:20 OF TODAY'S MOTION, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE
10:18:23 CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE FEMA RULES AND OUR CODE AND
10:18:24 THAT SORT OF THING.
10:18:29 BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, ABBYE, AND
10:18:31 LOOK FORWARD WHAT YOU GUYS RESEARCH AND FIND OUT AFTER
10:18:34 THE SUMMER.
10:18:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO MADE THE MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:18:38 >>LUIS VIERA: I DID.
10:18:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:18:41 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:18:43 AYE.
10:18:51 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ITEM NUMBER 44.
10:18:57 YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
10:19:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY, ITEM 44.
10:19:05 IN REGARD TO FILE NUMBER E 2021-8, CHAPTER 27, AN
10:19:07 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
10:19:08 ADOPTION.
10:19:10 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, RELATED TO
10:19:15 DEFINITION OF HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, MAKING REVISIONS TO
10:19:18 CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER 27, ZONING AND
10:19:23 LAND DEVELOPMENT, AMENDING SECTION 27-43, DEFINITIONS;
10:19:26 REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
10:19:30 CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY;
10:19:35 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:19:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:19:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:19:41 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:19:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:19:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:19:46 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:19:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:19:52 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:19:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:19:56 NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 45.
10:19:59 MR. MANASSE, I SEE YOU SIR.
10:20:03 >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE NUMBER AB 2-20-05.
10:20:06 A PETITION BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:20:11 THE ASK IS FOR A SMALL VENUE, BEER, WINE, ON PREMISE
10:20:16 AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
10:20:20 LOCATION 201 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.
10:20:22 TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
10:20:25 MAY HAVE.
10:20:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS
10:20:27 TIME?
10:20:28 IF NOT.
10:20:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE --
10:20:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT AND
10:20:32 THE APPLICANT.
10:20:35 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR 45?
10:20:36 I DON'T SEE ANYONE REGISTERED.
10:20:48 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC IF NOT TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 45?
10:20:49 WE DO NOT.
10:20:50 A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:20:52 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:20:54 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:20:55 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:20:58 READ NUMBER 45, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:21:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE NUMBER AB 2-20-05, ORDINANCE
10:21:08 PROVIDING FOR SECOND READING AND AN ORDINANCE A SPECIAL
10:21:12 USE PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALE SMALL VENUE
10:21:17 CONSUMPTION ON-PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE
10:21:20 CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES
10:21:23 REGARDING OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR,
10:21:28 ON THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OF TRACT OF LAND 201 NORTH
10:21:31 DALE MABRY, HIGHWAY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS MORE
10:21:34 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3, PROVIDING THAT ALL
10:21:37 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCE IN CONFLICT ARE
10:21:40 REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:21:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND.
10:21:44 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:21:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:21:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:21:50 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:21:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:21:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:21:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:22:00 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10:22:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT ITEM 46, MR. MANASSE.
10:22:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE NUMBER AB2-2101 WITH THE LOCATION
10:22:11 AT 1517 EAST WASHINGTON STREET.
10:22:14 THE REQUEST FOR SMALL VENUE CON SUFFERING ON-PREMISE
10:22:17 ONLY WITH THE A CLASSIFICATION OF BEER, WINE AND
10:22:17 LIQUOR.
10:22:21 STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE REVISED SITE PLAN AND APPLICANT
10:22:24 HAS MADE THOSE CHANGES AND TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
10:22:27 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:22:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS
10:22:29 TIME?
10:22:32 ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER
10:22:33 46?
10:22:35 I DON'T SEE ANYBODY REGISTERED.
10:22:42 DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 46?
10:22:42 OKAY.
10:22:44 MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:22:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
10:22:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT, A GENTLEMAN HERE.
10:22:49 ITEM NUMBER 46.
10:22:58 YES, SIR.
10:23:00 >> YES, IT IS --
10:23:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
10:23:03 >> I AM JUST HERE TO THANK YOU, BUT YES.
10:23:06 >>CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
10:23:08 ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
10:23:09 TRUTH.
10:23:10 >> IT IS.
10:23:11 >>CLERK: THANK YOU.
10:23:14 >> MY NAME IS MIKE NELSON, AN EGYPT SHRINER.
10:23:17 ON BEHALF OF THE SHRINERS, WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY
10:23:20 COUNCIL FOR YOUR UNANIMOUS VOTE.
10:23:23 FOR 60 YEARS WE WERE IN THE CITY AND THE LAST 60 YEARS
10:23:25 OUT IN DANA SHORES.
10:23:28 WE RECENTLY BUILT A NEW COMPLEX ON WASHINGTON STREET AT
10:23:29 50TH.
10:23:33 WE WILL SHORTLY INVITE ALL THE CITY COUNCIL TO COME OUT
10:23:37 TO INSPECT, BUT WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNANIMOUS VOTE ON
10:23:39 THE ALCOHOL AND WE WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN.
10:23:39 THANK YOU.
10:23:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE
10:23:42 ALL YOU AND THE ORGANIZATION DO.
10:23:44 YOU HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
10:23:46 AND WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
10:23:48 >> THANK YOU.
10:23:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OUR VERY OWN JOE CITRO TOO.
10:23:55 DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
10:23:56 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:23:59 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:23:59 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:24:01 AYE.
10:24:04 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, ITEM NUMBER 46.
10:24:11 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AB 2-21-01.
10:24:15 SECOND READING AN ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF SPECIAL USE
10:24:19 PERMIT S-2 FOR ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE
10:24:22 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE
10:24:26 OF BEVERAGES REGARDING ALCOHOL CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND
10:24:30 LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THE CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OF TRACT OF
10:24:34 LAND LOCATED 5017 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, TAMPA,
10:24:35 FLORIDA.
10:24:37 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
10:24:38 DATE.
10:24:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND.
10:24:42 COUNCILMAN VIERA WITH A SECOND.
10:24:45 ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:24:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:24:51 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:24:53 >>CLERK: GUDES.
10:24:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:24:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
10:24:58 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:25:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:25:04 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH GUDES BEING
10:25:06 ABSENT AT VOTE.
10:25:09 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
10:25:13 I WANT TO SAY WHAT YOU DID WITH THE SHRINER AND
10:25:16 COUNCILMAN CITRO IS A PROUD SHRINER AND THE GENTLEMAN
10:25:21 THAT HAS BEEN INVOLVED SO LONG, DAVID DITMAN WITH TAMPA
10:25:24 FIRE WHO JUST -- DAVID IS ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE ON
10:25:27 GOD'S EARTH AND HE DOES IT BECAUSE HE HAS A BIG HEART
10:25:30 AND DOES IT BECAUSE HE HAS A DAUGHTER WITH SPECIAL
10:25:32 NEEDS AND HAS BEEN SO TREMENDOUSLY HELPED WITH THE
10:25:33 SHRINERS.
10:25:35 I HAVE BEEN TO EVENTS WITH DAVID WHO I CONSIDER TO BE A
10:25:37 FRIEND, AND JUST A FINE GENTLEMAN.
10:25:41 I KNOW HIS LATE FATHER WHO HE MISSES SO DEARLY WAS ALSO
10:25:45 WITH TAMPA FIRE AND I AM PROUD TO HAVE A DITMAN FAMILY
10:25:47 JOIN THAT IS DISPLAYED.
10:25:52 AND A SHOUT-OUT FOR COUNCILMAN CITRO FOR HIS WORK, AS
10:25:55 WELL AS DAVID DITMAN AND A REAL ENDEAVOR FROM THE
10:25:55 HEART.
10:25:57 THANK YOU, SIR.
10:26:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HIS DAUGHTER, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS
10:26:05 A LEGENDARY SUPPORTER, FUNDRAISER, DOES AMAZING THING
10:26:08 -- IF YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF.
10:26:11 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:26:13 DID WE TAKE THE FINAL VOTE?
10:26:13 OKAY.
10:26:15 NEXT ITEM PLEASE.
10:26:18 THAT IS ITEM 47, MR. MANASSE.
10:26:23 >>RYAN MANASSE: THANK YOU, RYAN MANASSE, LAND
10:26:24 DEVELOPMENT.
10:26:27 FILE NUMBER AB 2-21-02.
10:26:33 SECOND READING FOR 4808 EAST BROADWAY AVENUE, TAMPA,
10:26:41 FLORIDA, DESCRIBED FOR BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON-SITE
10:26:41 ONLY.
10:26:45 AND WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
10:26:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS.
10:26:47 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:26:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PERHAPS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION AS A
10:26:50 COMMENT.
10:26:53 BUT I CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:26:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:26:57 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR 47?
10:26:59 I DON'T HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED.
10:27:01 ANYONE HERE FOR 47?
10:27:02 47?
10:27:06 IF NOT, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR 47?
10:27:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:27:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD A
10:27:12 COMMENT.
10:27:15 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, SIR.
10:27:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO HERE IS MY CONCERN ON THIS ONE.
10:27:21 AND I VOTED NO LAST TIME.
10:27:26 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES VOTED NO LAST TIME.
10:27:34 THE -- I THINK THE TESTIMONY WAS THERE WAS AN
10:27:36 INSTITUTIONAL USE NEARBY.
10:27:39 MORE IMPORTANTLY I WENT ON ONE OF THOSE CRA WALKS LAST
10:27:42 SATURDAY, AND WE WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH
10:27:44 ABOUT 20 CITIZENS.
10:27:48 AND WHEN WE DID, YOU KNOW, WE HAD VARIOUS ISSUES,
10:27:51 STORMWATER, POTHOLES AND THIS AND THAT, BUT WE CAME
10:27:56 ACROSS ONE OR TWO ESTABLISHMENTS THAT SOLD -- YOU KNOW
10:28:01 THAT WERE PACKAGE GOODS AND SOLD THE BEER AND WINE AND
10:28:02 LIQUOR.
10:28:05 YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I GOT FROM THE
10:28:09 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS, YOU KNOW, IT IS FINE THEY
10:28:12 SELL THE PACKAGED GOOD, BUT THEN PEOPLE DON'T LEAVE.
10:28:15 THEY JUST HANG AROUND OUTSIDE THE STORES AND IT CREATES
10:28:19 A COMMUNITY PROBLEM AND A NEIGHBORHOOD PROBLEM JUST AS
10:28:23 A HANG-OUT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
10:28:27 AND I DON'T KNOW -- I CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCILMAN GUDES
10:28:28 WHY HE VOTED AGAINST IT.
10:28:32 I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHY HE VOTED AGAINST IT LAST TIME.
10:28:35 BUT ANYWAY, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I VOTED
10:28:37 AGAINST IT AND I WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
10:28:43 I JUST WANTED TO ARTICULATE THAT.
10:28:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO
10:28:48 SPEAK BEFORE YOU TAKE COMMENTS.
10:28:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO CHECK BEFORE WE GET TO
10:28:52 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:28:55 ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON 47?
10:28:59 47?
10:29:02 LISA, YOU WERE MUTED.
10:29:03 GO AHEAD.
10:29:04 ANYBODY THERE?
10:29:05 >> NO.
10:29:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:29:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU AGAIN.
10:29:11 MR. DINGFELDER, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
10:29:18 YOU KNOW, BEING A LONG-TIME PUBLIC SERVANT AND WORKING
10:29:18 IN COMMUNITIES --
10:29:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME STOP YOU IF I CAN AND FORGIVE
10:29:24 ME FOR SAYING THAT BUT I HEARD THE PREFACE TO THE
10:29:25 QUESTION.
10:29:29 IF YOU COULD -- I WOULD PREFER, COUNCILMEMBERS, THAT
10:29:33 YOU REFERENCE EVIDENCE THAT IS IN THE RECORD AND THAT
10:29:37 IF -- IF THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP IS NOT SOMETHING
10:29:39 THAT IS NOT ON THE RECORD AND NOT BROUGHT UP AT THE
10:29:42 FIRST PUBLIC HEARING THROUGH TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE,
10:29:47 THAT YOU BE CAUTIOUS AS TO AVOIDING TESTIFYING A
10:29:49 PARTICULAR SECOND READING.
10:29:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL DO, MR.
10:29:52 DINGFELDER.
10:29:56 WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON AND AFTER THAT, I WILL LET
10:29:58 DINGFELDER KNOW WHY THESE ARE BAD THINGS IN
10:30:02 COMMUNITIES.
10:30:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANISCALCO --
10:30:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:30:08 DINGFELDER.
10:30:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEAR MR. SHELBY'S CONCERNS, AND I
10:30:16 THINK WE DO NEED TO KEEP A CLEAN RECORD, I ALSO THINK
10:30:19 THAT -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE TOLD IN THE SUNSHINE WE CAN'T
10:30:23 SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AT ANY OTHER TIME EXCEPT RIGHT NOW.
10:30:27 SO IF WE CAN'T TALK TO EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW WHAT OUR
10:30:31 CONCERNS ARE ABOUT X, Y AND Z, NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE
10:30:34 IS, THEN WE NEVER HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONVERSE AT
10:30:34 ALL.
10:30:38 SO FLORIDA MR. SHELBY, I AM SURE YOU DIDN'T MEAN TO GO
10:30:41 THAT FAR TO SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULDN'T A CONVERSATION
10:30:45 ABOUT THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF US.
10:30:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF YOU, COUNCILMAN
10:30:51 DINGFELDER, HAS TO BE BASED SOLELY ON THE COMPETENT
10:30:54 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT IS IN THE RECORD AT THE TIME
10:30:55 THAT YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION.
10:31:00 IF YOU ARE TALKING PUBLIC POLICY, THAT IS WORTHY OF A
10:31:00 DISCUSSION.
10:31:03 THAT SHOULD BE OUTSIDE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AFTER THE
10:31:05 TIME FOR THE PERIOD OF APPEAL.
10:31:10 FRANKLY, THIS IS A DECISION THAT IS SOLELY BASED ON THE
10:31:12 RECORD.
10:31:16 AND ABSENT THAT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.
10:31:18 GOVERNMENT IS IN THE SUNSHINE.
10:31:21 YOU CERTAINLY ARE CONSTRAINED TO BE ABLE TO TALK WITH
10:31:24 EACH OTHER ABOUT THESE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO
10:31:27 REASONABLY COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION OR A
10:31:27 VOTE.
10:31:31 SO I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BUT PLEASE RECOGNIZE
10:31:35 THAT THESE HEARINGS ARE ENTITIES UNTO THEMSELVES AND
10:31:39 YOUR DECISIONS WILL BE BASED SOLELY ON COMPETENT
10:31:44 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND DEVOID OF BIAS AND PREJUDICE.
10:31:47 IF YOU ARE BIASED OR PREJUDICE -- I AM NOT SAYING THIS
10:31:50 IS THE CASE IN THIS MATTER -- BUT CERTAINLY THAT BEARS
10:31:54 ON THE ABILITY FOR YOU TO MAKE A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL
10:31:55 DECISION.
10:31:58 SO THAT -- THAT IS MY CAUTION, NOT ONLY WITH THIS CASE,
10:32:07 BUT WITH EVERY CASE THAT IS QUASI JUDICIAL.
10:32:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
10:32:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES, SIR.
10:32:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN TAKE THE VOTE AND DISCUSS IT
10:32:14 AFTER.
10:32:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU HAVE YOUR
10:32:17 HAND UP.
10:32:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU AND NO REFERENCE TO THE
10:32:20 COUNCIL.
10:32:23 EVERYBODY HERE GOT ELECTED BY THE PRESIDENT TO SERVE.
10:32:27 AND YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST THING OF PRESENTING YOUR
10:32:29 CASE WHETHER YOU LIKE SOMETHING OR DISLIKE SOMETHING
10:32:33 AND YOU MAKE THAT CASE AND THAT'S IT ANY REFERENCE ANY
10:32:37 TIME IN ALL MY YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, I NEVER
10:32:40 COUNSELED ANY MEMBER ON THE VOTE.
10:32:41 I MAY NOT AGREE IT.
10:32:46 BUT I DON'T ASK A COUNCILMEMBER WHY THEY VOTED ONE WAY
10:32:46 OR THE OTHER.
10:32:49 THAT IS UP TO THAT INDIVIDUAL'S MIND AND WHAT THAT
10:32:53 INDIVIDUAL THINKS IS BEST FOR THE CONSTITUENTS AT TIME
10:32:55 THE VOTE IS TAKEN.
10:32:56 TOMORROW THINGS MAY CHANGE.
10:32:59 BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO FORWARD AND MY ONLY OPINION
10:33:01 IS, I DON'T QUESTION THE OTHER SIX.
10:33:04 THE OTHER SIX QUESTION ME.
10:33:06 BEHOLD YOURSELF.
10:33:07 BECAUSE I WILL BE READY.
10:33:08 THANK YOU.
10:33:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOUR
10:33:12 REBUTTAL?
10:33:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE LAST THING.
10:33:15 MR. MIRANDA, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I
10:33:17 APPRECIATE THAT.
10:33:21 AS I SAID, COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I BOTH VOTED AGAINST
10:33:23 THIS LAST TIME.
10:33:26 THE ONLY THING -- I AM NOT QUESTIONING -- AND I WOULD
10:33:29 NEVER QUESTION ANYBODY IN TERMS OF BEING CRITICAL.
10:33:32 SOMETIMES WHAT -- SOMETIMES WHAT I AM SAYING IS, IT IS
10:33:37 HELPFUL TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING IF SOMEBODY IS ON THE
10:33:41 FENCE IN TERMS OF SAYING PERHAPS COUNCILMAN GUDES SINCE
10:33:45 THIS HAD HIS DISTRICT AND HE GREW UP OVER IN THAT
10:33:48 NEIGHBORHOOD, PERHAPS HE HAD A BETTER INSIGHT WHY HE
10:33:50 VOTED AGAINST IT.
10:33:53 OF COURSE, I WOULD NEVER QUESTION ANYBODY ON THEIR
10:33:57 MOTIVES OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT SOMETIMES THEIR INSIGHT
10:33:59 AND UNDERSTANDING MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN THE
10:34:00 REST OF US.
10:34:03 SO THAT'S WHERE I AM COMING FROM, CHARLIE.
10:34:05 SO ANYWAY, WE CAN VOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:34:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:34:09 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE OTHER THING.
10:34:12 I DIDN'T MENTION ANY TIME.
10:34:14 I WAS TALK IN GENERAL.
10:34:17 BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KINGSTON.
10:34:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST ONE POINT TO ADDRESS THAT
10:34:20 CONCERN.
10:34:22 COUNCIL, IT IS CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO
10:34:25 REFERENCE ANYTHING THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE FIRST
10:34:29 PUBLIC HEARING AS SUPPORTING WHAT YOUR DECISION WAS.
10:34:32 THAT -- THAT IS CERTAINLY YOUR OPPORTUNITY RELY ON
10:34:34 EVIDENCE THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY HEARD NOT NECESSARILY AT
10:34:36 THIS HEARING BUT THE PREVIOUS HEARING.
10:34:38 I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
10:34:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.
10:34:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION.
10:34:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
10:34:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.
10:34:48 COUNCILMAN CITRO, ITEM NUMBER 47.
10:34:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:34:56 FILE NUMBER AB 2-21-02 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
10:34:57 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:35:03 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE S-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC
10:35:08 BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE PACKAGE SALES/OFF PREMISE
10:35:11 CONSUMPTION ONLY, MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES
10:35:15 REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR,
10:35:19 AND OR FROM A CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND
10:35:25 LOCATED AT 4808 EAST BROADWAY AVENUE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA,
10:35:28 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 THAT ALL
10:35:31 ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT BE
10:35:36 REPEALED; REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2010-19; PROVIDING
10:35:41 AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:35:43 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.
10:35:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:35:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
10:35:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO OPINION.
10:35:51 >>CLERK: WAS THAT A NO?
10:35:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CORRECT.
10:35:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WAS A NO.
10:35:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:35:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:36:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
10:36:07 >>LUIS VIERA: WITH THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR
10:36:10 COUNCILMAN GUDES I WILL VOTE A RESPECTFUL LESS.
10:36:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:36:14 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES, DINGFELDER AND
10:36:18 MIRANDA VOTING NO.
10:36:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN
10:36:20 GUDES.
10:36:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR THE
10:36:25 INDULGENCE, SIR.
10:36:29 PASSED FOR THE PETITIONER, BUT LET ME SAY THIS.
10:36:31 I WOULD ASK THAT ALL OF MY COUNCILMEMBERS TAKE THE
10:36:36 STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN WALK THAT IS NOW GOING ON FOR THE
10:36:39 EAST TAMPA CRA.
10:36:42 I THINK YOU WILL THEN GET A CLEAR PICTURE OF THE
10:36:45 COMMUNITIES IN EAST TAMPA, BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING WALKS
10:36:46 IN ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES.
10:36:52 AND LIKE I TELL THE CAC BOARD, THEY ARE A SMALL
10:36:55 GATEKEEPER TO THEIR CLIENT.
10:36:58 AND THEIR CLIENT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
10:37:05 THAT IS THE CAC'S JOB, TO LISTEN TO THEIR CLIENT.
10:37:08 AND THEY BRING THAT INFORMATION FROM THEIR CLIENT AFTER
10:37:13 THEY DO RESEARCH AND BRING IT TO OUR CAC BOARD.
10:37:18 BUT I IMPLORE ALL OF TO YOU GO ON THE WALKING TOURS AND
10:37:21 I THINK THAT IS WHY MR. DINGFELDER'S MIND IS WAKING UP
10:37:22 A BIT.
10:37:24 WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.
10:37:27 YOU CAN'T FUND ANY OF THESE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS IN
10:37:29 ANYBODY ELSE'S COMMUNITY.
10:37:32 THEY ARE NOT PACKAGE STORES INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITIES.
10:37:34 AND THEY BRING ON SLUM AND BLIGHT.
10:37:37 THEY BRING ON DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.
10:37:39 WHAT I USED TO CALL BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WOULD GET UP
10:37:42 AND GO TO WORK AT 5:00 IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
10:37:44 I WOULD GO TO 29TH AND LAKE.
10:37:47 EVERYBODY IS WAITING FOR THEIR MEDICINE.
10:37:49 EVERYBODY IS WAITING FOR THEIR MEDICINE.
10:37:52 THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE ALCOHOL, THE LIQUOR TO OPEN
10:37:57 UP, TO FEED THEIR DISEASE.
10:38:00 AND IT BECOMES HANG-OUT PLACES.
10:38:03 DRIVE BY -- I HAD MY OFFICE SEVERAL TIMES COME FOR THE
10:38:06 LITTLE STORE THERE IS BECAUSE THE TRASH IS ALL OVER THE
10:38:08 PLACE AND THEN YOU GO INTO SOME OF THE NICE COMMUNITIES
10:38:12 THAT WE DO HAVE, AND THEY GO INTO THE COMMUNITIES.
10:38:14 AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T SUPPORT THESE TYPE OF ITEMS
10:38:16 BECAUSE OF WHAT IT BRINGS.
10:38:17 IT IS A BUSINESS, YES.
10:38:21 BUT IT IS THE WRONG TYPE OF BUSINESS INSIDE OF
10:38:22 NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:38:27 ON FRONT STREET OR STREET FRONT, AND YOU TALK ABOUT
10:38:31 THOSE LITTLE STORES LIKE THAT INSIDE OF NEIGHBORHOODS,
10:38:33 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SLUM AND BLIGHT.
10:38:35 YOU ENTICE THE ADDICTION.
10:38:38 AND YOU ENTICE THE BAD BEHAVIORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
10:38:42 THAT'S WHY -- THAT'S WHY I AM NOT IN FAVOR BECAUSE I
10:38:45 SEE IT DOESN'T COMPENSATE THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:38:47 THAT IS MY RATIONALE.
10:38:49 IT DOESN'T HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:38:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, COUNCILMAN
10:38:52 VIERA.
10:38:55 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO SAY I UNDERSTAND THE
10:38:56 FRUSTRATION.
10:38:58 I HAVE BEEN ON OTHER WALKING AND DRIVING TOURS AND I AM
10:39:01 TRYING TO GET ON ONE OF THESE ONES THAT YOU JUST
10:39:02 MENTIONED.
10:39:03 BUT TWO THINGS.
10:39:06 MARTY SUGGESTED THAT WE TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE
10:39:11 SYSTEMICALLY, AND ONE WOULD BE GETTING TOGETHER WITH A
10:39:15 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND EXPLAIN TO THEM IN WHAT
10:39:17 COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS.
10:39:19 WE ARE GOING NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD EXPLAINING
10:39:20 THAT.
10:39:23 THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU -- IN TALKING WITH MARTY OR
10:39:26 WHOMEVER, WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR WORKSHOP OR
10:39:30 SOMETHING IN CREATING A SYSTEMIC SOLUTION, I THINK WE
10:39:32 WOULD ALL SUPPORT THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT
10:39:33 DISCUSSION TOO.
10:39:34 THANK YOU.
10:39:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:39:37 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS, COUNCILMAN
10:39:37 GUDES.
10:39:41 THEY TALK TO SCHOOL TO PRISON PIPELINE AND NEIGHBORHOOD
10:39:44 TO PRISON PIPELINE WHERE A LOT OF OUR LOWER INCOME
10:39:47 COMMUNITIES GET THINGS -- BUSINESSES IN THERE THAT WE
10:39:53 KNOW IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IS REASONABLY CALCULATED
10:39:55 TO LEAD TO NEGATIVE OR ADVERSE LIFE IMPACTS.
10:39:58 YOU TALK OF THINGS AND IT IS PERSONAL AND ABSOLUTELY NO
10:40:03 BEARING ON HOW WE VOTED OR WILL VOTE ON A TAMPA CITY
10:40:06 COUNCIL QUASI/JUDICIAL MATTER AND WHEN IT COMES TO
10:40:10 ALCOHOL, ALCOHOL GENERALLY SPEAKING CAN HAVE AN ADVERSE
10:40:11 EFFECT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES.
10:40:13 I NEVER HAVE BEEN MUCH OF A DRINKER.
10:40:15 MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS RAISED IN CHURCH.
10:40:17 THAT'S JUST ME, WHICH IS KIND OF FUNNY.
10:40:21 BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT -- AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE
10:40:23 WANT TO CONTINUE TO BENEFIT NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE EAST
10:40:27 TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY AREA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, ETC.
10:40:30 SO MANY THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE
10:40:32 TO DO AS A TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
10:40:38 I MEAN JUST RECENTLY WAS IS IT YESTERDAY, COUNTY
10:40:46 COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS PUT -- A PENNY SALES TAX.
10:40:49 IMAGINE WHAT TRANSPORTATION CAN DO AND WILL DO FOR
10:40:51 NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE EAST TAMPA.
10:40:54 THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WE ARE VOTING ON THAT WE
10:40:56 WILL HAVE SECOND READING ON.
10:41:00 IMAGINE WHAT SKILLS TRADES TRAINING AND JOB TRAINING
10:41:02 WILL DO FOR THESE AREAS.
10:41:05 THE DISCUSSION WE ARE HAVING ON FIRE -- ON FIRE
10:41:09 STATIONS, INCLUDING FIRE STATION 13 WHICH SERVICES SUL
10:41:13 VERY SPRINGS, UNIVERSITY AREA, WORKING-CLASS COMMUNITY.
10:41:16 SO MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN TO DO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT
10:41:17 THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:41:20 THE SPIRIT OF THAT MESSAGE, SIR, I AGREE WITH VERY,
10:41:21 VERY MUCH SO.
10:41:24 I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE A PREACHER WITH ALCOHOL, BUT
10:41:28 IT'S -- AND I DRINK EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT
10:41:29 SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T GROW UP WITH.
10:41:35 AND I THINK THAT -- THE ABUSE OF IT LEADS TO SO MANY
10:41:37 NEGATIVE ADVERSE EFFECTS.
10:41:38 THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR.
10:41:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
10:41:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
10:41:46 MR. GUDES, AS A FRIEND OF BILL W. AND THE LIFESTYLE I
10:41:50 LED AND RAISED IN, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF PEOPLE
10:41:53 NEEDING THEIR MEDICINE.
10:41:57 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WE HAVE THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY
10:41:58 TO SPEAK TOGETHER.
10:42:01 I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMETHING COMING UP CONCERNING AB
10:42:05 SALES AS FAR AS AMPLIFIED MUSIC, AS FAR AS DISTANCING.
10:42:09 I THINK THIS WOULD BE PERFECT QUESTIONS FOR US TO RAISE
10:42:15 DURING THAT CONVERSATION.
10:42:18 LET'S FACE IT, GENTLEMEN, IF WE WOULD TAKE OUT THE
10:42:21 WAIVER FOR DISTANCING HALF THE BARS IN THIS CITY WOULD
10:42:24 BE CLOSED DOWN.
10:42:30 WE ARE GROWING UP WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WITH SOME
10:42:35 PEOPLE, ALCOHOL IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
10:42:38 LET'S LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT ALCOHOL MAKE OTHER PEOPLE
10:42:39 DO.
10:42:44 LET'S NOT EVEN GO INTO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THAT'S NOT
10:42:45 GOING INTO ROBBERY.
10:42:47 THIS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ASSAULT AND BATTERY.
10:42:50 LET'S TAKE THAT OUT OF THE QUESTION.
10:42:54 THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS ALCOHOL SALES, AND THAT
10:42:55 IS THE TIME --
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STAFF REMINDED COUNCIL THAT AT SOME POINT OVER THE LAST 8
10:43:58 YEARS, THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, MANY OF THE DISTANCE
10:44:01 REQUIREMENTS WERE EITHER MODIFIED OR ELIMINATED IN THE,
10:44:05 QUOTE, URBAN VILLAGES.
10:44:07 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT US TO TAKE A VERY, VERY
10:44:11 SERIOUS LOOK AT DURING THAT WORKSHOP, BECAUSE AS MR.
10:44:15 MIRANDA REMINDS US FAIRLY REGULARLY, THAT WE SHOULD BE
10:44:18 TREATING ALL PARTS OF THE CITY THE SAME.
10:44:21 AND THE FACT IT'S ALL ONE AREA URBAN VILLAGES, AND
10:44:28 ANOTHER AREA IS NOT, WHEREAS IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET
10:44:30 THEY ALL KIND OF LOOK LIKE SUBURBIA.
10:44:35 I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GOOD JUSTIFICATION TO, YOU KNOW,
10:44:38 TO NOT HAVE THOSE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS IN THOSE AREAS,
10:44:43 JUST BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE PUT THAT
10:44:46 CLASSIFICATION URBAN VILLAGE ON.
10:44:50 SO JOE, AGAIN I APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING ME THAT THAT
10:44:53 DISCUSSION IS FORTHCOMING.
10:44:54 >> GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 48.
10:45:04 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 48 IS FILE AB 2-21-05 BEFORE
10:45:10 YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:45:11 THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2202 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD
10:45:15 AND THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST IS A SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE
10:45:20 AND LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY. REVISIONS TO
10:45:21 THE SITE PLAN WERE MADE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING
10:45:25 AND TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR
10:45:27 ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:45:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
10:45:33 NO?
10:45:33 ALL RIGHT.
10:45:34 WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, MR. PORTER, SIR.
10:45:38 IF YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
10:45:41 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
10:45:53 >> I THINK YOU ARE MUTED.
10:45:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE YOU MUTED.
10:45:57 >> YES, I UNMUTED.
10:45:59 THANK YOU.
10:46:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:46:03 ANYTHING?
10:46:05 >> NO, I WILL JUST ADD.
10:46:08 COUNCILMAN CITRO HAD A QUESTION AT THE FIRST MEETING OF
10:46:09 OUTSIDE MUSIC.
10:46:12 I KNOW IT IS NOT PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND BINDING, BUT
10:46:15 I CONFIRMED WITH THE CLIENT THEY DID NOT HAVE OUTSIDE
10:46:16 MUSIC OR INTEND TO.
10:46:19 I KNOW THAT IS NOT BINDING AND NOT ON THE SITE PLAN AND
10:46:23 A QUESTION THAT COUNCILMAN CITRO HAD AND TO PUT THAT IN
10:46:24 THE RECORD.
10:46:28 OTHERWISE, RESPECTFULLY RESPECT YOUR APPROVAL.
10:46:30 I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
10:46:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. PORTER FOR BRINGING
10:46:32 THAT UP.
10:46:37 THAT WAS MY REASON SOLELY FOR SAYING NO TO THIS.
10:46:41 I AM MORE AND MORE CONCERNED AND I WILL SPEAK
10:46:42 SPECIFICALLY TO THIS CASE.
10:46:45 I AM MORE AND MORE CONCERNED OF A CASE LIKE THIS OR
10:46:49 THIS CASE WHERE ALCOHOL SALES, RESTAURANTS OR OTHERWISE
10:46:53 ARE ENCROACHING NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:46:57 SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY I VOTED NO.
10:47:00 AND BECAUSE THIS IS NOT BINDING, MR. PORTER, WHAT YOU
10:47:03 SAID, I AM STILL GOING TO BE VOTING NO.
10:47:06 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PORTER, FOR PUTTING THAT IN.
10:47:07 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
10:47:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:14 ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 48?
10:47:18 >>CLERK: NO, CHAIR, NO ONE HERE TO SPEAK.
10:47:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAS THAT A NO?
10:47:25 >> YES, THAT WAS A NO.
10:47:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
10:47:28 A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:47:30 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:47:32 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
10:47:34 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:47:37 COUNCILMAN VIERA, READ NUMBER 48.
10:47:39 >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
10:47:42 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A
10:47:47 SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES,
10:47:50 SMALL VENUE, CON SUFFERING ON PREMISE ONLY AND MAKING
10:47:55 LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT,
10:47:58 BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR ON A CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT
10:48:02 OF LAND LOCATED 2202 WEST KENNEDY BOULEVARD, TAMPA,
10:48:05 FLORIDA, AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3,
10:48:08 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
10:48:11 CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER
10:48:15 2007-25; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:48:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:48:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
10:48:24 I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD I AM SUPPORTING THIS
10:48:24 ONE.
10:48:28 I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF ALCOHOL SALES.
10:48:32 AND I AM SUPPORTS THIS ONE FOR ON-PREMISE ONLY AND ALSO
10:48:38 THIS WAS A RESTAURANT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OPENED AND
10:48:40 THEY USED TO SELL -- I THINK THEY USED TO SELL BEER AND
10:48:46 WINE AS INDICATED BY ORDINANCE 2007-25.
10:48:48 AND I THINK IT BASICALLY CLOSED DOWN AND NOW REOPENING.
10:48:50 THANK YOU.
10:48:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
10:48:54 WHO IS THE SECOND.
10:48:57 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:48:58 ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:48:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:49:01 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:49:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
10:49:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:49:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:49:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:49:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:49:14 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
10:49:16 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
10:49:17 I APPRECIATE IT.
10:49:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:49:27 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM 49, FILE NUMBER AB 2-20-12.
10:49:30 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.
10:49:35 PROPERTY LOCATION 2223 NORTH WEST SHORE BOULEVARD UNIT
10:49:39 B 217, FOR A SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE AND
10:49:45 SMALL PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION.
10:49:47 SITE PLAN HAS TURNED INTO CITY CLERK AND WE ARE
10:49:49 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:49:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
10:49:51 NO?
10:49:54 I SEE ANN POLLACK ON THE LINE.
10:49:55 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
10:49:58 >>CLERK: DO YOU WEAR SORE AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
10:50:00 YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
10:50:01 TRUTH.
10:50:02 >> I DO.
10:50:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
10:50:05 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
10:50:10 GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, ANN POLLACK, FLETCHER, FISHER
10:50:12 POLLACK LAW FIRM ST. PETE.
10:50:16 I'M HERE ON THIS ALCOHOL APPROVAL FOR A NEW WINE BAR
10:50:21 AND SMALL CAFE ON BAY STREET ON INTERNATIONAL PLAZA.
10:50:24 I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY
10:50:25 REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
10:50:25 THANK YOU.
10:50:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
10:50:32 COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL?
10:50:34 HEARING NONE.
10:50:35 ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS
10:50:37 ITEM?
10:50:41 CAN WE SEE THE KIOSK IF ANYONE IT THERE.
10:50:43 >> NO ONE THERE TO SPEAK.
10:50:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
10:50:45 GUDES.
10:50:47 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:50:49 ALL IN FAVOR.
10:50:51 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, READ NUMBER ITEM 49.
10:50:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:50:58 ITEM NUMBER 49, FILE NUMBER AB 2-20-12 BEING PRESENTED
10:51:00 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:51:05 AN ORDINANCE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT SU-2 FOR
10:51:08 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON
10:51:12 PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION
10:51:17 AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM
10:51:23 CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED 2223 NORTH
10:51:29 WEST SHORE BOULEVARD, UNIT B 217, TAMPA, FLORIDA, AS
10:51:34 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2; PROVIDING ALL
10:51:39 ORDINANCES AND CONFLICTS -- ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF
10:51:42 ORDINANCES EXCUSE ME IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED.
10:51:45 PROVIDING A AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:51:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:51:50 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
10:51:54 MR. DINGFELDER, DID A COMMENT, SIR?
10:51:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WAS SECONDING.
10:51:57 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:52:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
10:52:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:52:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:52:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:52:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:52:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:52:13 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
10:52:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 50.
10:52:20 GO AHEAD, MR. MANASSE.
10:52:23 >>RYAN MANASSE: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, RYAN MANASSE,
10:52:28 LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, FILE NUMBER REZ-20-68.
10:52:32 THE PROPERTY LOCATED 114 WEST ALFRED STREET AND THE
10:52:36 REQUEST IS REZONING FROM RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE
10:52:40 FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE
10:52:42 FAMILY DETACHED.
10:52:44 THOSE SITE PLANS ARE CERTIFIED AND TURNED IN THE CITY
10:52:45 CLERK.
10:52:47 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
10:52:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
10:52:52 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
10:52:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RYAN, CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY AND
10:53:01 JUST PUT THAT SITE PLAN UP REAL QUICK.
10:53:12 >>RYAN MANASSE: GIVE ME A MOMENT, PLEASE.
10:53:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE BEEN HAVING SO MANY OF
10:53:15 THESE.
10:53:18 AFTER A WHILE THEY BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A BLUR, SO,
10:53:20 THANK YOU.
10:53:26 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, SIR.
10:53:29 >>RYAN MANASSE: NOW TO CAUTION THIS IS THE SITE PLAN
10:53:32 THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU FOR FIRST READING.
10:53:36 SO THE MINOR REVISIONS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT
10:53:40 HAVE MADE AND FOR THIS PLAN THE PHYSICAL COPIES WERE
10:53:41 TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK.
10:53:43 DO YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN?
10:53:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT WAS -- WHAT WAS THE UNDERLYING
10:53:49 REASON BEHIND THE RS-50 TO THE PD.
10:53:53 WAS THIS ONE THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SKINNY OR SHALLOW?
10:53:54 >>RYAN MANASSE: THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
10:53:57 THE FRONTAGE IS 45 FEET.
10:54:02 AND THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT RS-50 REQUIRES A
10:54:06 50-FOOT MINIMUM AND THE STAFF ANALYSIS WHERE WE DO THE
10:54:07 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WE FOUND IT CONSISTENT WITH
10:54:13 THAT.
10:54:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT FOR THE DISTANCE ISSUE, THEY
10:54:18 CAN OTHERWISE BUILD THE SAME -- THE SAME UNIT.
10:54:23 WE ARE NOT ALLOWING ANYTHING TALLER OR WIDER OR MORE
10:54:26 DENSE THAN THEY WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED IF IT WAS A
10:54:27 50-FOOT LOT.
10:54:31 IS THAT RIGHT, RYAN?
10:54:35 >>RYAN MANASSE: THEY WOULDN'T GO OVER THEIR DENSITY
10:54:38 AND LAND USE CATEGORY AND PD IS RESTRICTED BY THE
10:54:42 SETBACKS IN THE SITE DATA TABLE.
10:54:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ABOUT HEIGHT -- HEIGHT AND
10:54:45 MASS?
10:54:50 >>RYAN MANASSE: LET ME SEE WHERE HEIGHT --
10:54:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING, PLEASE
10:55:01 MUTE YOURSELF.
10:55:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANASSE.
10:55:06 >>RYAN MANASSE: I AM LOOKING FOR THE HEIGHT.
10:55:07 ONE SECOND, PLEASE.
10:55:11 I MEAN IT IS A CUSTOMARY TWO-STORY HOME.
10:55:14 NOT ANYTHING OUT OF ORDINARY FROM A RESIDENTIAL ZONING
10:55:18 DISTRICT.
10:55:22 HEIGHT, 35 FEET.
10:55:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE 35-FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT?
10:55:29 >>RYAN MANASSE: THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE.
10:55:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 35 FEET.
10:55:32 THANK YOU, SIR.
10:55:33 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:55:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:55:36 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
10:55:38 VERY GOOD.
10:55:40 PETITIONER.
10:55:40 >> THANK YOU.
10:55:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PETITIONER, IF YOU WERE GOING TO
10:55:43 SPEAK.
10:55:46 I SEE AN ALEX AND A KELSEY.
10:55:49 IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, WE WILL SWEAR YOU
10:55:49 IN.
10:55:52 >>CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU
10:55:55 ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
10:56:00 TRUTH?
10:56:01 >> I DO.
10:56:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, MR. HORNER.
10:56:13 MR. HORNER, GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:56:17 IT IS NOT -- OKAY -- IS THIS YOUR ITEM HERE?
10:56:19 50 OR NO?
10:56:20 >> IT IS NOT.
10:56:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM SORRY.
10:56:31 ALL RIGHT, MISS DUNCAN OR ALEX.
10:56:35 IS THIS YOUR ITEM?
10:56:35 >> YES.
10:56:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE YOU PETITIONER OR WISH TO
10:56:38 SPEAK OR SAY ANYTHING.
10:56:39 >> I DO NOT.
10:56:41 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND I APPRECIATE ALL
10:56:42 THE TIME PUT INTO THIS.
10:56:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.
10:56:45 ANYBODY FROM PUBLIC COMMENT?
10:56:47 I DON'T SEE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
10:56:50 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER
10:56:55 50?
10:56:58 >> MR. CHAIR, NO ONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
10:56:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CLOSE.
10:57:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE.
10:57:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.
10:57:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
10:57:07 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
10:57:11 WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 50.
10:57:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL BE GLAD TO MR. CHAIRMAN.
10:57:14 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
10:57:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
10:57:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FILE NUMBER REZ-20-68 WILL BE THE
10:57:23 FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN
10:57:26 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY 114
10:57:30 WEST ALFRED STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, MORE
10:57:33 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING
10:57:37 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION, RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE
10:57:40 FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE
10:57:43 FAMILY DETACHED PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
10:57:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM KINGSTON DINGFELDER.
10:57:46 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
10:57:48 ROLL CALL VOTE.
10:57:49 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
10:57:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
10:57:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
10:57:57 78% OF THESE LOTS AT 50.
10:57:58 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
10:58:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
10:58:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
10:58:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
10:58:05 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
10:58:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH ITEM NUMBER
10:58:10 51.
10:58:15 >>RYAN MANASSE: 51 WAS ALREADY HEARD.
10:58:16 >> 52.
10:58:18 >>RYAN MANASSE: RYAN MANASSE.
10:58:24 FILE NUMBER REZ 20-87.
10:58:26 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
10:58:35 THE PROPERTY 311 NORTH NEWPORT AVENUE FROM IG TO PD
10:58:38 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY RETAIL
10:58:38 SALES.
10:58:40 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT
10:58:41 YOU HAVE.
10:58:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WILL CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY.
10:58:49 JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE IS A BONUS AGREEMENT THAT
10:58:52 FOLLOWS ON THIS ITEM FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCE.
10:58:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
10:58:54 WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION.
10:58:58 WE WILL DO THAT.
10:59:02 MR. HUDSON, YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN.
10:59:05 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
10:59:07 >>CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
10:59:11 THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND THE WHOLE
10:59:13 TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
10:59:14 >> I DO.
10:59:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:59:24 >> THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, TYLER HUDSON 400
10:59:25 ASHLEY DRIVE.
10:59:28 THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED TWO WEEKS AGO.
10:59:30 NO OPPOSITION AT THE HEARING.
10:59:32 WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE ALLIANCE AND CIVIC
10:59:35 ASSOCIATION.
10:59:38 WE HAVE ALL THE CHANGES DISCUSSED BY STAFF AT THE FIRST
10:59:41 HEARING AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
10:59:43 AND APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN.
10:59:43 THANK YOU.
10:59:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
10:59:49 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 52.
10:59:51 ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE REGISTERED ARE APPLICANT
10:59:52 REPRESENTATIVES.
10:59:58 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT IS HERE IN THE PUBLIC FOR 52?
11:00:01 >> NO, THERE IS NO ONE PRESENT IN THE PUBLIC.
11:00:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:00:05 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:00:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
11:00:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES,
11:00:11 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:00:13 ALL IN FAVOR.
11:00:17 ITEM 52, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:00:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 51 OR 52.
11:00:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE TOOK 51 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
11:00:25 PUBLIC HEARING AND THE TRANSLATOR AND SCHEDULE
11:00:26 CONFLICT.
11:00:30 >>BILL CARLSON: I LIKE TO REMOVE REZ 20-87, ORDINANCE
11:00:33 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION ORDINANCE REZONING
11:00:37 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY 311 NORTH NEWPORT
11:00:40 AVENUE IN CITY OF TAMPA FLORIDA MORE PARTICULARLY
11:00:42 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1, FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:00:47 CLASSIFICATION IG INDUSTRIAL GENERAL TO PD PLANNED
11:00:50 DEVELOPMENT, REFERRING, MULTIFAMILY.
11:00:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON,
11:00:57 SECOND.
11:00:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:00:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:01:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:01:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:01:04 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:01:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:01:08 >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:01:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 53.
11:01:29 ALSO HAS A RESOLUTION TO BE READ AFTER THE ADOPTION.
11:01:33 ITEM NUMBER 53 IS DAVID MECHANIK, I BELIEVE.
11:01:38 THE APPLICANT, IF HE'S ON, TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND WE
11:01:43 WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
11:01:44 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:01:46 ITEM NUMBER 53 IS FILE REZ 21-01, IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR
11:01:51 SECOND READING.
11:01:51 THE PROPERTY LOCATION IS 1701 WEST GRAY STREET AND 1720
11:01:55 WEST CARMEN STREET AND THE REZONING REQUEST BEFORE YOU
11:01:57 WAS REZONING FROM RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PD
11:02:01 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
11:02:04 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY AND RETAIL SALES, CONVENIENCE
11:02:07 GOODS, SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
11:02:11 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:02:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:02:14 NO?
11:02:15 MR. MECHANIK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
11:02:17 WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
11:02:23 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE GOING
11:02:23 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
11:02:23 TRUTH?
11:02:29 >>DAVID MECHANIK: I DO.
11:02:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:02:32 >>DAVID MECHANIK: MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME
11:02:34 IS DAVID MECHANIK, 305 SOUTH BOULEVARD, TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:02:38 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
11:02:42 THIS ITEM WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY ON THE FIRST READING
11:02:48 WITH MR. MIRANDA BEING ABSENT.
11:02:49 I AM SIMPLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
11:02:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
11:02:56 HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT
11:02:58 WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 53?
11:03:01 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE PRESENT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 534.
11:03:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
11:03:07 CITRO.
11:03:08 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:03:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:03:10 COUNCILMEMBER GUDES, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM 53?
11:03:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE REZ 21-01, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR
11:03:19 SECOND READING ADOPTION, IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1701
11:03:23 WEST GRAY STREET AND 1720 WEST CARMEN STREET IN THE CITY
11:03:26 OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN
11:03:28 SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50
11:03:31 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO
11:03:33 PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY, RETAIL
11:03:37 SEAMS, CONVENIENCE GOODS, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:03:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
11:03:42 GUDES.
11:03:43 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:03:44 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:03:45 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:03:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:03:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:03:51 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:03:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:03:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:03:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:03:57 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:03:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
11:04:00 CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION?
11:04:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED.
11:04:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
11:04:07 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:04:08 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:04:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:04:15 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:04:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:04:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:04:20 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:04:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:04:25 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:04:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT IS ITEM 54.
11:04:28 MR. MANASSE, GO AHEAD.
11:04:30 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:04:32 ITEM NUMBER 54 IS FILE REZ 20-101, PRESENTED BEFORE YOU
11:04:37 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION.
11:04:39 THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5100 SOUTH WESTSHORE BOULEVARD
11:04:42 AND THE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING WAS RS-75 RESIDENTIAL
11:04:46 SINGLE-FAMILY AND CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, PD, PLANNED
11:04:50 DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
11:04:55 REVISED DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND TURNED INTO THE
11:04:57 CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
11:04:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
11:05:01 HEARING NONE, MR. HORNER, YOU WERE SWORN IN.
11:05:03 I SAW YOUR HAND UP EARLIER.
11:05:06 GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:05:06 >>MICHAEL HORNER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MICHAEL
11:05:10 HORNER FOR THE RECORD, 14502 NORTH DALE MABRY HIGHWAY
11:05:14 TAMPA 33618 REPRESENTING THIS PROJECT.
11:05:19 YOUR APPROVAL ON FIRST READING.
11:05:20 I WANTED TO MAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS TODAY.
11:05:23 I WAS MADE AWARE OF A RECENT E-MAIL THAT MS. WELLS WAS
11:05:30 KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE WITH ME FROM AN ABUTTING NEIGHBOR
11:05:33 AND BRIEFLY IF I MAY OFFER THESE COMMENTS, REALIZE
11:05:37 THAT -- WAS DONE YESTERDAY UNDER OUR DUE DILIGENCE
11:05:42 AGREEMENT, HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY NEXT WEEK.
11:05:48 PERHAPS THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER HAD DISCUSSIONS.
11:05:53 ONCE I RECEIVE THAT E-MAIL AND THOSE VIDEOS, I
11:05:55 IMMEDIATELY CALLED OUR TEAM, AND CALLED OFF THE ENTIRE
11:06:01 CONSTRUCTION TEAM AS A COURTESY TO THEM.
11:06:04 I DID SPEAK WITH MR. RENLY YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
11:06:10 WE HAD SOME E-MAIL COMMUNICATION, ISSUES, I GUESS HE HAS
11:06:13 A -- E-MAIL, BUT I SENT HIM ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS, PLANS,
11:06:21 ELEVATIONS, INVITED HIM TO ATTEND A MEETING BOTH AFTER
11:06:26 THE FIRST READING AND YESTERDAY AS WELL.
11:06:28 SO HE'S A GOOD MAN, WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, WE HAD
11:06:33 GOOD DISCUSSION YESTERDAY, RESUME THE BORINGS SO WE KNOW
11:06:38 THE SOIL PROFILE TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS DEVELOPMENT.
11:06:41 I DO HAVE OUR ENGINEER AVAILABLE TO SHARE A SCREEN IF YOU
11:06:45 HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PLAN.
11:06:47 WE HAVE REDUCED THIS SUBMITTAL TO ONLY TWO WAIVERS FROM
11:06:51 THE INITIAL SIX.
11:06:52 WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR A PASSIVE PARK AND RETENTION POND ON
11:06:57 THE EASTERN PART ABUTTING THE RESIDENTIAL LOT TO THE
11:07:01 EAST.
11:07:01 OUR BUILDING CLUSTERS ESSENTIALLY FACE PRICE AND
11:07:04 WESTSHORE.
11:07:08 MR. FRIENDLY DID SHARE WITH ME THAT HE AND HIS WIFE
11:07:10 PURCHASED THEIR HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO AND WAS NOT AWARE OF
11:07:14 OUR PROPERTY BUILDING.
11:07:16 I ADVISED HIM THAT WE IN FACT HAD COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE
11:07:19 ZONING FOR YEARS AND UNLIKE HIS PROPERTY WE HAVE CMU-35
11:07:25 DESIGNATION.
11:07:26 THAT CI ZONING ALSO ALLOWS THE SAME AS WE ARE PROPOSING.
11:07:31 HE'S A GOOD PERSON.
11:07:31 WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING NEIGHBORS.
11:07:34 I THINK IF IT WASN'T FOR COVID-19 WE WOULD HAVE KNOCKED
11:07:39 ON HIS DOOR.
11:07:39 WE USED TO DO THAT.
11:07:40 NOW WE REFRAIN FROM THAT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
11:07:45 BUT I ADVISED HIM TO WORK WITH HE AND HIS WIFE, AND I
11:07:49 THINK THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
11:07:52 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
11:07:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:07:54 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:07:59 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
11:07:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. HORNER, THANKS FOR YOUR PROFFER
11:08:04 ON THAT.
11:08:07 WHAT SORT OF -- IS THAT GENTLEMAN LOOKING AT FROM A
11:08:13 PROPERTY LINE TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION?
11:08:17 WHAT SORT OF BUFFER IS THERE BETWEEN THE CONSTRUCTION AND
11:08:25 HIS PROPERTY?
11:08:27 AND LET ME JUST START WITH THAT.
11:08:33 >>MICHAEL HORNER: SURE.
11:08:34 ALL GOOD QUESTIONS.
11:08:35 IF I CAN ELEVATE MR. HOLLIS AS A PARTICIPANT AND TO BE
11:08:38 SHARE THE SCREEN, I'LL SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN.
11:08:47 MR. HOLLIS --
11:08:49 >>> HE'S ONLINE.
11:08:50 >> YES, I AM.
11:08:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WANT TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN.
11:08:57 IF YOU COULD BE SWORN IN.
11:08:58 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, MR. BRUHOLLIS.
11:09:05 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE GOING
11:09:05 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
11:09:05 TRUTH?
11:09:06 >> I DO.
11:09:08 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
11:09:11 >> AM I SHARING THE CORRECT ONE?
11:09:17 >>MICHAEL HORNER: YES.
11:09:18 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU CAN SEE ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF OUR
11:09:20 PROPERTY WE USED TO HAVE A POOL AND DECK, IMPERVIOUS
11:09:23 SURFACE, AND WE HAVE NOW CONVERTED THAT TO SIMPLY PASSIVE
11:09:29 GREEN SPACE, THE CENTER PORTION, THAT EASTERN PROJECT.
11:09:32 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, WE HAVE A RETENTION POND
11:09:35 PROPOSED, AND ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THAT I BELIEVE
11:09:39 ABUTS MR. RENLY'S PROPERTY, WE ALSO HAVE A RETENTION POND
11:09:44 AND PARKING.
11:09:46 YOU SEE THE UNITS TO THE LEFT HAVE BEEN CLUSTERED, THAT
11:09:49 LEAVES TO A 40-FOOT SEPARATION, AND THOSE ARE SIDE
11:09:52 ORIENTATION MUCH UNITS.
11:09:54 NO GARAGES FACING MR. RENLY'S PROPERTY.
11:10:02 WE HAVE PLANTING AREAS.
11:10:03 ALSO A RETAINER WALL AND A 6-FOOT 100% OPAQUE FENCE ON
11:10:08 THAT EASTERN PROPERTY.
11:10:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
11:10:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO JUST SO I AM ABUNDANTLY CLEAR,
11:10:18 MICHAEL, THE TWO SQUARES AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM IN GREEN
11:10:21 ARE PASSIVE STORMWATER AND THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE, THE
11:10:23 RECTANGLE IN THE MIDDLE ON THE EASTERN SIDE IS ALSO
11:10:28 PASSIVE OPEN SPACE, YOU SAY?
11:10:30 >>MICHAEL HORNER: THAT IS CORRECT.
11:10:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND ARE YOU BUILDING A WALL OR A
11:10:38 FENCE ALONG THAT EASTERN SIDE AS WELL?
11:10:40 >>MICHAEL HORNER: YES, YES.
11:10:42 AS NOTED, WE HAVE BOTH A RETAINER WALL AND A 6-FOOT HIGH,
11:10:48 100% OPAQUE PVC FENCE PLUS A PLANTING STRIP PLUS
11:10:56 VEGETATION.
11:10:58 AND NO WAIVERS ARE BEING SOUGHT FROM THAT.
11:11:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OBVIOUSLY IT'S PARAMOUNT INTENSITY
11:11:09 GOING TO A MORE PASSIVE RESIDENTIAL, AND I APPRECIATE THE
11:11:13 ADDITIONAL BUFFERING ALONG THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
11:11:15 THANK YOU.
11:11:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
11:11:20 NO?
11:11:20 ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 54?
11:11:23 ITEM NUMBER 54?
11:11:24 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:11:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
11:11:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:11:32 ANY REGISTERED?
11:11:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK OR SIGH
11:11:37 ANYTHING?
11:11:40 >> YES, I DO, SIR.
11:11:42 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
11:11:46 YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
11:11:46 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
11:11:48 >> I DO.
11:11:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:11:50 YOU HAVE YOUR TIME TO HAVE SPEAK.
11:11:52 >> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:11:54 MY NAME IS JOE RENLY, A RETIRED MARINE, AND WE LIVE AT
11:12:02 409 CREST AVENUE RIGHT AGAINST THE SOUTH PART OF THE
11:12:06 PROPERTY YOU SEE.
11:12:08 I SENT IN A LETTER EARLIER THIS WEEK.
11:12:10 AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT.
11:12:13 I ALSO SENT VIDEO OF SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS
11:12:16 GOING ON.
11:12:18 FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT MR. HART DID
11:12:23 APOLOGIZE BUT IT IS A FACT THAT HE NOR ANYONE ELSE
11:12:28 ASSOCIATED WITH REZONING AND MY HOUSE OR ANYBODY ELSE
11:12:32 BEFORE THE FIRST HEARING.
11:12:35 FURTHERMORE, HE STATES HE WANTS TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, YET
11:12:38 HE DIDN'T TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SOIL THING GOING
11:12:42 ON.
11:12:44 YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR IT.
11:12:45 IF YOU WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, YOU TELL ME THAT YOU
11:12:47 ARE GOING TO BE DIGGING UP SOIL 20 FEET FROM MY HOUSE FOR
11:12:52 HOURS AND HOURS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
11:12:53 NOW, HE'S AN EXPERIENCED LAWYER AND HE DIDN'T KNOW TO DO
11:12:58 THIS?
11:12:58 IT SEEMS A LITTLE -- TO ME, OKAY?
11:13:04 IT SEEMS TO ME -- IT'S NOT QUITE RIGHT.
11:13:09 LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY
11:13:13 COMMERCIALLY ZONED BUT THERE IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON
11:13:15 IT RIGHT NOW.
11:13:16 IF ANYTHING, THIS PROPERTY IS INCORRECTLY ZONED IN THE
11:13:19 FIRST PLACE AND SHOULD BE REZONED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY
11:13:21 HOMES.
11:13:22 NOT A 4 STORY TOWNHOUSE THAT LOOKS INTO MY BACKYARD.
11:13:26 MY FAMILY AND I SPENT 20 YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND YOU
11:13:31 CAME HERE TO START A LIFE, AND NOW THIS PROPOSAL IS
11:13:35 REQUESTING TO BUILD A 4 STORY PROPERTY BASICALLY RIGHT ON
11:13:39 TOP OF US.
11:13:40 WE RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU PUT YOURSELVES IN OUR SHOES.
11:13:44 YOU WANT THE AFTERNOON SUN BLOCKED ON YOUR PROPERTY NOT
11:13:49 TO MENTION THE -- JUST INSTALLED LAST YEAR?
11:13:53 I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD.
11:13:54 OKAY.
11:13:55 LISTEN, I BELIEVE IN THE AMERICAN DREAM.
11:13:57 A LOT OF YOU DO.
11:13:58 I THINK IT'S STILL ALIVE.
11:14:01 A ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IS STILL ALIVE AS WELL.
11:14:05 AND SINGLE ZONING IS ENCROACHING ON THAT DREAM.
11:14:10 AND IT'S STILL POSSIBLE.
11:14:12 BUT NOT THIS WAY.
11:14:15 THIS BRINGS PAIN, DANGER AND STRESS TO MY FAMILY AND THIS
11:14:19 COMMUNITY.
11:14:20 AND THAT BRINGS THE ISSUE OF TRAFFIC.
11:14:24 AND I KNOW IT COMES WITH A LOT.
11:14:26 IT'S ALREADY A HUGE CONCERN, AND WESTSHORE AND MANHATTAN
11:14:30 BACK UP FOR SIX OR MORE BLOCKS EVERY MORNING, OKAY?
11:14:34 AND I'M SORRY -- BUILDING YET ANOTHER TOWNHOUSE IN THIS
11:14:39 AREA, MORE IMPATIENT DRIVING DRIVERS COMING DOWN THESE
11:14:44 ROADS AFTER TRYING TO AVOID THE INTERSECTION AT GANDY,
11:14:47 FLY DOWN HERE EVERY DAY.
11:14:49 AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO ASK 50 TO 100 MORE CARS?
11:14:53 THAT IS NOT RIGHT FOR OUR CHILDREN.
11:14:56 OUR CHILDREN DESERVE BETTER.
11:14:57 WE DESERVE BETTER.
11:14:59 WE DESERVE TO GO DOWN OUR STREETS WITHOUT THE FEAR OF
11:15:03 BEING RUN OVER.
11:15:04 I DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE AFTERNOON SUN WITHOUT A 4
11:15:08 STORY BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO ME.
11:15:10 AND NOW ALL OF THIS JUST EXACERBATES THE SITUATION.
11:15:15 AND IF I HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME HERE --
11:15:18 >>> ANOTHER MINUTE?
11:15:19 ANY OBJECTION?
11:15:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
11:15:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
11:15:22 ANOTHER MINUTE, SIR.
11:15:23 >> LASTLY, IF YOU DO APPROVE THIS PROPERTY, DITCHES AND
11:15:29 RETAINING POND ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
11:15:32 WE ALREADY HAVE -- WE ARE IN FLORIDA.
11:15:36 THE WATER DOESN'T DRAIN.
11:15:38 WE ARE IN A FLOOD ZONE.
11:15:41 IT IS NOT A VIABLE SOLUTION.
11:15:43 I WILL GO ON.
11:15:47 LINE OUR STREETS WITH BEAUTIFUL OAKS, WE ARE GOING TO
11:15:49 TEAR THOSE DOWN?
11:15:50 I THOUGHT THEY WERE THERE TO PROTECT US.
11:15:52 I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS.
11:15:53 I AM NOT A NATIVE FLORIDIANS.
11:15:55 PROTECT THE OAKS, RIGHT?
11:15:58 JUST GOING TO TEAR THEM DOWN.
11:15:59 IT MAKES NO SENSE.
11:16:00 I JUST ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ALL OF THIS.
11:16:02 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:16:03 I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
11:16:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC
11:16:06 COMMENT AT THIS TIME?
11:16:11 WOULD THE APPLICANT HAVE REBUTTAL TIME?
11:16:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: HE CERTAINLY WOULD, AND IF THERE ARE
11:16:15 ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF OR APPLICANT OR MR. RENLY
11:16:22 NOW WOULD BE THE TIME BEFORE REBUTTAL.
11:16:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:16:27 ALL RIGHT.
11:16:27 MR. HORNER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR REBUTTAL, SIR.
11:16:30 >>MICHAEL HORNER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:16:34 AND I APPRECIATE MR. RENLY'S PASSION.
11:16:38 WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ON TWO OCCASIONS AND I MADE IT
11:16:41 VERY CLEAR TO HIM THAT DURING THESE PAST NINE MONTHS THAT
11:16:45 WE DO NOT KNOCK ON DOORS PARTICULARLY A RESIDENCE THAT WE
11:16:49 DO NOT KNOW.
11:16:50 I REGRET THAT I DID NOT PLACE A PERSONAL VISIT CARD ON
11:16:54 HIS FRONT DOOR.
11:16:55 HOWEVER HE DID ADMIT THAT HE RECEIVED BOTH OUR SITE PLAN,
11:16:58 BOTH OUR NOTICE, AND INFORMATION AND IN FACT MANY
11:17:03 NEIGHBORS CALLED MY OFFICE AND E-MAILED AND WE HAD A
11:17:05 DISCUSSION, NOT IN PERSON BUT ON THE PHONE, AND WE
11:17:08 ANSWERED ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.
11:17:10 HE ALSO ADMITTED YESTERDAY IN OUR DISCUSSION THAT IN FACT
11:17:13 HE SAW THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY AND JUST
11:17:17 ASSUMED WE HAD THE SAME RS-75 AND REZ 10 COMP PLAN
11:17:21 DESIGNATION.
11:17:22 SO THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM
11:17:26 MULTIFAMILY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS, CG AND CI ZONING
11:17:32 DIRECTLY TO OUR NORTH WITH A TOWER ABOUT 65 FEET TALL.
11:17:36 WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL CENTER TO THE DIRECT SOUTH.
11:17:39 AND WE HAVE AS INDICATED ON OUR SITE PLAN TO THE EFFORT
11:17:43 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PASSIVE USE NEXT TO MR. RENLY'S
11:17:49 HOUSE.
11:17:50 THE SOIL BORINGS IN FACT ARE NEEDED AND NECESSARY FOR
11:17:53 THAT BACKGROUND AND WE KNOW THERE ARE NOT MANY -- OUT
11:17:58 THERE AND THOSE ARE PARAMOUNT FOR OUR ENGINEERS TO DESIGN
11:18:01 THIS PROJECT RETENTION SYSTEM.
11:18:03 IT'S ELABORATE.
11:18:04 IT'S EXPENSIVE.
11:18:05 BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT SWFWMD REQUIRES AND THE CITY
11:18:08 ENGINEERS AS WELL.
11:18:09 WE BELIEVE THE PROJECT IS WELL DESIGNED, SUPPORTED BY
11:18:11 STAFF.
11:18:12 WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR FOR MR. RENLY.
11:18:15 I WILL CONTACT HIM.
11:18:16 WE WILL COORDINATE, AND OFFER OUR TEAM TO MEET WITH HIM
11:18:19 PERSONALLY AT A SAFE DISTANCE AND SHARE ALL OF THE
11:18:22 PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES, PROPOSALS, AND THAT
11:18:26 COMMITMENT REMAINS.
11:18:27 THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
11:18:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:18:29 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
11:18:29 IF NOT WE ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:18:31 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND FROM
11:18:33 COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:18:35 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:18:36 AYE.
11:18:37 COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ ITEM
11:18:44 NUMBER 54?
11:18:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE A QUICK
11:18:49 COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.
11:18:53 I COULD DO IT AFTER THE MOTION.
11:18:55 SO ONE OR THE OTHER.
11:18:56 YOUR CHOICE.
11:18:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO, WOULD YOU READ
11:19:01 ITEM NUMBER 54?
11:19:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE REZ 20-101.
11:19:06 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND
11:19:08 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING GENERAL PROPERTY -- ASK
11:19:12 YOU EXCUSE ME, GENERAL PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY OF 5100
11:19:17 SOUTH WESTSHORE BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA
11:19:19 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING
11:19:22 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-75 RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY
11:19:27 AND CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT,
11:19:33 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:19:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:19:38 ROLL CALL?
11:19:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU --
11:19:49 >>> WE ARE TAKING A ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:19:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW.
11:19:51 WILL YOU RECOGNIZE ME FOR A COMMENT?
11:19:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:19:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
11:19:58 MR. RENLY, I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
11:20:04 WE MIGHT BE HESITANT TO VOTE BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT
11:20:10 WE HEARD YOU.
11:20:10 AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE PROBLEM WITH
11:20:15 THE CONCERNS THAT YOU ARE RAISING IS THAT THEY DID HAVE
11:20:19 THE EXISTING ZONING AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CATEGORIES
11:20:25 ALREADY THERE.
11:20:25 THEY HAVE THE CMU-35 WHICH ALLOWS 35 UNITS PER ACRE, AND
11:20:30 THEN THEY HAD THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE CATEGORY WHICH
11:20:34 ALLOWS FOR EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS, QUITE A BIT OF POTENTIAL
11:20:38 COMMERCIAL USE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND A HEIGHT OF I THINK
11:20:43 THE SAME HEIGHT THAT THEY ARE BUILDING AT, 40 OR 45 FEET.
11:20:48 SO IF WE HADN'T APPROVED IT, THEY POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE
11:20:52 BUILT A COMMERCIAL USE, A WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE
11:20:55 THAT, AT THE SAME HEIGHT AND MASS.
11:20:58 SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DID TODAY.
11:21:01 AND ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT
11:21:05 COMPLETELY.
11:21:05 I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THAT WHEN YOU
11:21:08 BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
11:21:09 BUT THOSE THINGS ARE PUBLIC RECORD.
11:21:11 BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A THING THAT PEOPLE
11:21:15 LOOK AT WHEN THEY BUY A HOUSE, IN TERMS OF REAL ESTATE.
11:21:19 SO I JUST WANTED TO -- I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTE IS GOING
11:21:24 TO GO BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID HEAR YOUR
11:21:26 CONCERNS.
11:21:28 BUT THOSE ARE THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WERE DEALT WITH AS WE
11:21:31 VISIT THESE ISSUES.
11:21:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:21:35 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:21:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:21:40 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
11:21:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:21:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:21:47 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:21:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:21:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:21:51 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
11:21:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO GO TO -- AT THE
11:22:01 REQUEST OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
11:22:02 THEY HAVE TO DO SOME STUFF.
11:22:03 SO FIVE-MINUTE RECESS.
11:22:05 [ CITY COUNCIL RECESS ]
11:22:39
11:35:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK.
11:35:01 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:35:02 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
11:35:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
11:35:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
11:35:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T SEE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER ON
11:35:14 VIDEO.
11:35:15 TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, PLEASE.
11:35:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
11:35:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
11:35:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:35:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:35:28 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:35:30 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
11:35:36 ITEM NUMBER 55 IS FILE REZ 20-104, FOR THE PROPERTY
11:35:40 LOCATED AT 3110 EAST LAKE AVENUE.
11:35:43 THE REZONING REQUEST BEFORE YOU WAS REZONING FROM RS-50
11:35:46 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.
11:35:51 REVISED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK
11:35:53 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
11:35:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
11:36:00 GENTLEMAN?
11:36:01 IF NOT, DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 55?
11:36:04 >>THE CLERK: NO ONE IS PRESENT, CHAIR.
11:36:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
11:36:16 FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
11:36:17 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:36:20 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:36:22 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:36:23 AYE.
11:36:24 COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND TAKING ITEM 55?
11:36:28 >>LUIS VIERA: MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR
11:36:30 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
11:36:32 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3110 EAST LAKE AVENUE
11:36:36 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
11:36:39 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT
11:36:40 CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD
11:36:44 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY,
11:36:46 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
11:36:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER
11:36:50 VIERA.
11:36:51 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
11:36:52 SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
11:36:54 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:36:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
11:36:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
11:37:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:37:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
11:37:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:37:05 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:37:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
11:37:07 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11:37:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:37:10 [OFF MICROPHONE]
11:37:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
11:37:13 YOUR MICROPHONE, IS IT ON?
11:37:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:37:17 DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING?
11:37:21 FOR ITEM 56 THROUGH 60, THE 10:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS.
11:37:25 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
11:37:26 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:37:28 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:37:29 YAY.
11:37:29 WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 60 FIRST AND I WILL TELL
11:37:33 YOU THAT IT WAS A 3-3 SPLIT VOTE.
11:37:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU
11:37:41 DON'T MIND.
11:37:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MR. SHELBY.
11:37:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 60, COUNCIL, IS A
11:37:47 CONSIDERATION OF THE REVOCATION OF SALE OF ALCOHOLIC
11:37:51 BEVERAGES AT PURPLE HEART BAR LOUNGE AND GRILL, LOCATED
11:37:55 AT 1811 NORTH 15th STREET.
11:37:58 IT WAS LAST HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL, AND TWO MOTIONS WERE
11:38:05 MADE, AND BOTH FAILED ON A VOTE OF 3-3.
11:38:09 YOU ARE HERE TODAY, COUNCIL, PURSUANT TO RULE 6-H OF YOUR
11:38:15 RULES OF PROCEDURE WHICH STATES THAT IF A MOTION IN OOH
11:38:19 QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER FAILS TO RECEIVE AT LEAST 4 VOTES,
11:38:22 THE MOTION FAILS, AND IF ANOTHER MOTION IN ORDER IS NOT
11:38:25 MADE, THE PUBLIC HEARING SHALL BE AUTOMATICALLY REOPENED
11:38:28 AND CONTINUED TO A TIME CERTAIN AT THE NEXT REGULARLY
11:38:31 SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.
11:38:33 THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR THIS MEETING TODAY, AND FRANKLY,
11:38:36 COUNCIL, THERE WAS ONE MOTION THAT WAS MADE PURSUANT, AS
11:38:41 YOU SEE IN YOUR AGENDA, THAT MOTION FAILED ON 3-3, BUT
11:38:44 ANOTHER MOTION IN ORDER WAS MADE, THAT AS WELL DID FAIL
11:38:48 AS WELL ON 3-3.
11:38:50 THERE IS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR AT PRESENT.
11:38:53 COUNCILMEMBER VIERA WAS ABSENT FOR THAT HEARING.
11:38:58 SO I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT MY QUESTION TO COUNCILMEMBER
11:39:01 VIERA.
11:39:02 SIR, HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE RECORD
11:39:07 AND THE EVIDENCE AND ARE YOU PREPARED TO VOTE TODAY?
11:39:10 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, I AM.
11:39:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU
11:39:13 WISH TO HAVE ANSWERED BEFORE PROCEEDING?
11:39:14 >>LUIS VIERA: I DO NOT, SIR.
11:39:16 I THINK THE VIDEO I SAW WAS PRETTY DARN COMPREHENSIVE AND
11:39:19 HAVE BEEN ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS AND I GOT THE
11:39:21 INFORMATION I NEEDED.
11:39:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:39:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
11:39:23 SO THAT BEING SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
11:39:27 NOW.
11:39:28 YOU CAN THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON A MOTION, AND
11:39:31 THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
11:39:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT.
11:39:35 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:39:37 DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
11:39:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:39:39 I WAS GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP BUT I SEE WE HAVE THE
11:39:42 OWNER HERE, BUT GO AHEAD, MR. VIERA.
11:39:45 >>LUIS VIERA: NO, NO, I AM SAYING WHENEVER YOU ARE
11:39:47 FINISHED, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHENEVER THE TIME IS
11:39:49 RIGHT HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE AND WHY.
11:39:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
11:39:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
11:39:59 FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT WE HAD A PENDING VOTE.
11:40:08 ALL RIGHT, I'M READING THE BACKGROUND.
11:40:10 SO THE ORIGINAL VOTE WAS A MOTION OF MINE WHICH SAID
11:40:14 THERE WAS INADEQUATE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A FINDING OF
11:40:18 VIOLATION, AND THAT FAILED 3 TO 3, OR GOT LOCKED AT 3 TO
11:40:25 3 AND THAT'S WHERE WE STOOD AT THAT POINT.
11:40:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR, THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT MOTION
11:40:31 THAT WAS MADE IN ORDER.
11:40:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE SUBSEQUENT MOTION WAS TO FIND THE
11:40:37 VIOLATION?
11:40:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR AGENDA ON ITEM
11:40:40 60 SET FORTH BY THE CLERK, RECAPPED BY THE CLERK IN
11:40:44 TODAY'S AGENDA.
11:40:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION
11:40:50 FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THEIR AGENDA UP.
11:40:52 I'M READING IT AT THIS TIME.
11:40:58 OKAY.
11:41:03 ALL RIGHT.
11:41:03 THANK YOU.
11:41:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I SEE THE PETITIONER HAS AN ATTORNEY
11:41:08 THERE.
11:41:09 COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS
11:41:11 PROCEDURE RULE 6-H?
11:41:12 I DON'T SEE IT COME UP.
11:41:15 COULD YOU PULL HIM UP, PLEASE?
11:41:17 >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
11:41:21 THE OWNER IS HERE, KEITH, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
11:41:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR.
11:41:29 MIND YOU, SIR, THE HEARING IS STILL OPEN UNLESS THERE'S A
11:41:32 MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:41:33 SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE NOT TAKE ANY MORE EVIDENCE
11:41:38 UNLESS COUNCIL FEELS NECESSARY.
11:41:39 CERTAINLY, THE PURPOSE OF TODAY'S CONTINUANCE WAS FOR
11:41:42 COUNCILMAN VIERA TO REVIEW THE RECORD, AND IF HE HAD ANY
11:41:47 ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO HAVE THEM ANSWERED.
11:41:49 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE I CAN
11:41:51 GO INTO HOW UM GOING TO VOTE AND I'M GOING TO VOTE THAT
11:41:54 WAY.
11:41:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: PUT A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
11:42:03 MOTION TO CLOSE.
11:42:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
11:42:06 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
11:42:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
11:42:12 AYE.
11:42:12 ALL RIGHT.
11:42:13 WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION?
11:42:15 COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE ONE, SIR?
11:42:18 WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
11:42:19 COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOU DID HAVE YOUR HAND UP FIRST,
11:42:21 CORRECT?
11:42:22 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S FINE.
11:42:23 I DON'T CARE.
11:42:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO FROM THE BEGINNING
11:42:27 HAD HIS HAND UP.
11:42:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS WE HAVE NOTED, TO BIFURCATE OUR VOTE
11:42:32 BUT FIRST I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND -- MAKE A MOTION THAT
11:42:35 EITHER THE OWNER WAS IN VIOLATION.
11:42:39 SO FILE E-2021-8 CHAPTER 27, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION
11:42:45 THAT WITH THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT WAS
11:42:48 GIVEN TO US, THAT THE OWNER OF THE ESTABLISHMENT WAS IN
11:42:53 VIOLATION.
11:42:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CITRO, YOU ARE CITING
11:42:58 THEN 27-318 C-1-F.
11:43:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
11:43:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND
11:43:08 UP.
11:43:08 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
11:43:09 I AM GOING TO VOTE THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION, THEREBY
11:43:13 BREAKING THE VOTE IN FAVOR OF PURPLE HEART AND I WOULD
11:43:16 LIKE TO IF I MAY, JUST WROTE OUT SOME NOTES ON WHY.
11:43:19 BECAUSE I SOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SPOKE ON WHY THEY DID
11:43:24 SO.
11:43:25 SO IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, THIS DOESN'T INVOLVE NEW EVIDENCE
11:43:28 OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
11:43:30 MR. SHELBY.
11:43:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION?
11:43:33 I DIDN'T HEAR.
11:43:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
11:43:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAS THERE A MOTION?
11:43:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND TO THE MOTION.
11:43:40 SECOND.
11:43:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
11:43:44 COUNCILMEMBER.
11:43:44 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DETAIL WHY I AM
11:43:48 VOTING THIS WAY, BECAUSE WE HAD FIRST OFF, I THINK IT'S
11:43:52 IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS -- THINGS ARE OFTEN BLACK
11:43:57 AND WHITE IN LIFE AND THEN THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GRAY
11:44:00 WHERE THERE'S GOOD ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDE.
11:44:03 I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR TO SAY THERE'S GOOD ARC ULTIMATE
11:44:05 ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS.
11:44:07 IT'S CLEAR THAT THE OWNER OF PURPLE HEART AND THE FOLKS
11:44:10 WHO WERE THERE MAY NOT HAVE ACTED WITH PERFECTION, SO TO
11:44:14 SPEAK, ON THIS ISSUE, BUT AS I WILL TALK ABOUT VERY
11:44:17 BRIEFLY, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD VOTE FOR A FINDING
11:44:20 OF NO VIOLATION.
11:44:22 EVEN IF I WERE TO VOTE THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION, I
11:44:24 WOULD HOPE FOR NO PENALTIES WHATSOEVER WITH REGARDS TO
11:44:28 THIS GENTLEMAN.
11:44:28 BUT AGAIN, I SIDE ON THE PART OF NO VIOLATIONS.
11:44:34 AGAIN, THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE WITH PURPLE HEART, HE
11:44:38 CERTAINLY WASN'T PERFECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN LOOKING AT
11:44:41 THIS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT I LOOK AT IN
11:44:44 FINDING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU OPERATE A BAR DURING THE COVID
11:44:48 CRISIS, THERE'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGES, AND I THINK FOR
11:44:52 ME, YOU LOOK AT CHALLENGES THAT ARE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE
11:44:56 UNMITIGATED WITHOUT REASONABLE REFERENCE TO -- AND WITH A
11:45:03 REAL DISREGARD FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS ABSENT OF
11:45:06 REASONABLE MITIGATION EFFORTS.
11:45:10 I THINK THAT THERE ARE VARIOUS ESTABLISHED FACTS THAT I
11:45:14 SAW FROM MY REVIEW OF THE VIDEO THAT I SAW THIS WEEK.
11:45:17 WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN WHO IS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
11:45:20 AS MANY OF THESE FOLKS ARE, AND THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T
11:45:23 PRECLUDE HIM FROM BEING IN VIOLATION.
11:45:26 HE TESTIFIED THAT HE MADE LEGITIMATE EFFORTS TO TRY TO
11:45:29 ENFORCE THIS ORDINANCE.
11:45:30 HE HANDED OUT MASKS.
11:45:31 HE DID TEMPERATURE CHECKS BETWEEN DECEMBER 8th AND
11:45:34 JANUARY 8th.
11:45:35 HE TESTIFIED THAT HE BOUGHT 1,000 MASKS.
11:45:38 HE HAD STAFF MEETINGS ON ENFORCEABILITY INCLUDING WITH
11:45:42 GUESTS AT HIS FACILITY.
11:45:43 HE PUT UP SIGNS IF I RECALL THAT WERE SIGNS FROM THE CITY
11:45:47 AS WELL AS INDIVIDUAL SIGNS.
11:45:48 I THINK THAT THIS GENTLEMAN MADE SUFFICIENT EFFORT SUCH
11:45:51 THAT THERE CAN BE A REASONABLE FINDING OF NO VIOLATION.
11:45:55 I DON'T WANT SOMETHING WITH US WHERE IT'S WHAT WE CALL
11:45:58 STRICT LIABILITY WHERE IF THERE'S ANYBODY THERE WITHOUT A
11:46:01 MASK AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE FOUND THAT WE ARE GOING TO
11:46:04 ASSUME ALL OF THIS GUILT, AND I PUT GUILT IN QUOTES ON
11:46:07 THE BUSINESS OWNER.
11:46:09 I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BIG BURDEN THAT WE WOULD BE
11:46:13 PLACING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS HEARING ON THIS
11:46:15 PARTICULAR GENTLEMAN.
11:46:17 AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF MITIGATING FACTS THAT I
11:46:21 SAW WITH THE OWNER OF PURPLE HEART THAT I THINK ARE VERY
11:46:25 RELEVANT, AND AGAIN I THINK THAT WITH THE FACTS THAT I
11:46:28 PUT FORTH FROM THE CREDIBLE TESTIMONY OF THE OWNER OF
11:46:32 PURPLE HEART I FIND IT TO BE VERY CREDIBLE.
11:46:36 I THINK A FINDING OF NO VIOLATION.
11:46:38 BUT YOU HAVE ALSO GOT TO TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER MITIGATING
11:46:41 FACTS THAT EXIST OUTSIDE FROM THAT.
11:46:43 THIS GENTLEMAN JUST OPENED HIS SMALL BUSINESS FOR THE
11:46:46 LOVE OF THE ALMIGHTY, JUST OPENED HIS BUSINESS A COUPLE
11:46:49 OF WEEKS BEFORE, DURING A PANDEMIC.
11:46:52 TALK ABOUT A VERY DIFFICULT EFFORT.
11:46:54 AND I THINK THAT HIS VERY CREDIBLE TESTIMONY WHICH I
11:46:57 BELIEVE LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF A
11:47:00 PANDEMIC, THIS GENTLEMAN OPENED UP A BUSINESS AND MADE A
11:47:03 REASONABLE EFFORT TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE HARMFUL EFFECTS.
11:47:09 YOU KNOW, HE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING HIS LIFE SAVINGS INTO
11:47:12 THIS ENDEAVOR TRYING TO MAKE A DOLLAR OUT OF 15 CENTS.
11:47:15 THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT EASY.
11:47:17 AND THESE ARE FACTS THAT I THINK WE ALL SUPPORT.
11:47:20 HE MADE REASONABLE EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THIS.
11:47:24 IN DEALING WITH THESE CASES, WE HAVE TO BALANCE OUT THE
11:47:28 BURDEN THAT SMALL BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES HAVE WITH
11:47:33 PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH I THINK WE ARE, AS WELL AS SOME
11:47:37 LEVEL OF COMMON SENSE THAT I THINK IS VERY, VERY
11:47:41 IMPORTANT IN THESE CASES, AND IN HEARING THE TESTIMONY I
11:47:45 AM INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE PRIOR POSITION THAT WOULD BE
11:47:51 STATED.
11:47:52 AND I ADOPT WANT TO SEND THE WRONG MESSAGE IN THESE
11:47:54 HEARINGS.
11:47:55 AND I THINK THAT BY FINDING THAT THIS GENTLEMAN, NUMBER
11:47:57 ONE, DID A VIOLATION, BUT THEN FINDING THAT THEY CAN BE
11:48:02 PUNITIVE ACTIONS TAKEN AGAINST HIM, I THINK THAT THAT
11:48:05 WOULD BE A RISK OF SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE.
11:48:07 THE RIGHT MESSAGE TO SEND IS THAT WE HAVE A MASK
11:48:11 ORDINANCE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THAT WE SHOULD BE
11:48:14 ENFORCING IT, THAT PEOPLE HEAR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA
11:48:16 SHOULD WEAR MASKS, THAT THEY SHOULD BE SOCIALLY DISTANT
11:48:20 THAT THEY SHOULD BE WASHING THEIR HAND, AND THEY GET THE
11:48:24 OPPORTUNITY TO BE VACCINATED, IF YOU BELONG TO THAT
11:48:26 PARTICULAR GROUP, THAT YOU WANT TO BE VACCINATED.
11:48:29 I THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS BEEN VERY STRONG ON THIS,
11:48:32 BUT I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I AM LED TO SUPPORT
11:48:36 NO VIOLATION.
11:48:37 I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AGAIN IN DEALING
11:48:40 WITH THESE CASES WE HAVE TO HAVE COMMON SENSE ON THESE
11:48:42 TYPES OF ISSUES.
11:48:43 BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A RATIONAL BASIS FOR FINDING ONE WAY
11:48:47 OR ANOTHER.
11:48:47 I RESPECT EVERYONE'S VOTES ON THIS, BUT THIS IS THE WAY
11:48:50 THAT I AM INCLINED TO GO.
11:48:51 I AM INCLINED TO GO ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE REASONS THAT I
11:48:54 HAVE STATED.
11:48:55 AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD A
11:48:58 LOT OF MESSAGES IN THE MEDIA, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ON THIS
11:49:02 ISSUE THAT WE HAVE GOT TO STAY FIRM IN THE FACT THAT WE
11:49:06 HAVE A PANDEMIC, WHERE WE HAVE OVER HALF A MILLION
11:49:11 AMERICANS DIED FROM THIS.
11:49:12 WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE BUT ALSO HAVE COMMON SENSE AND
11:49:14 SENSITIVITY TOWARDS SMALL BUSINESSES.
11:49:16 I THINK THAT'S A BAM THAT WE CAN HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF
11:49:18 TAMPA.
11:49:19 AND THAT'S I THINK A BACKGROUND FOR THAT.
11:49:21 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:49:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN
11:49:24 DINGFELDER.
11:49:26 YOU SECONDED THE MOTION.
11:49:27 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
11:49:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.
11:49:33 I SECONDED THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY WHO MAKES
11:49:36 A MOTION SHOULD GET A SECOND BUT I AM NOT GOING TO
11:49:38 SUPPORT THE MOTION.
11:49:39 AS I STATED AT THE LAST HEARING, I THINK THERE WAS
11:49:41 INADEQUATE EVIDENCE.
11:49:43 I WON'T REPEAT MYSELF.
11:49:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN
11:49:46 DINGFELDER.
11:49:47 YES, SIR.
11:49:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
11:49:51 AS ALWAYS, COUNCILMAN VIERA SPEAKS SO ELOQUENTLY AND I DO
11:49:55 APPRECIATE HIS COMMENTS.
11:49:56 I LISTENED TO THEM.
11:49:57 AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY TIMES THAT I LEARN SOMETHING,
11:50:00 AND THAT CAN SWAY MY VOTE, BECAUSE IT IS A MOMENT OF
11:50:05 CLARITY WHEN I DO HEAR HIS WORDS.
11:50:12 I AM GOING TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER AND SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT
11:50:15 WANT TO HEAR THIS, BUT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE
11:50:18 CITY TO PLACE THE BURDEN OF THIS PANDEMIC -- EXCUSE ME,
11:50:31 PLACE OUR REGULATIONS ON INDIVIDUALS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE
11:50:35 GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT SOME CAN SAY
11:50:39 PREEMPTED US, WE THEN HAD TO PLACE THAT BURDEN ON THE
11:50:46 BUSINESS OWNERS.
11:50:50 WHETHER PEOPLE AGREE WITH THAT OR DISAGREE WITH THAT,
11:50:52 THAT'S THE WAY THINGS HAPPEN.
11:50:55 I FEEL THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL
11:50:57 EVIDENCE TO FIND THE OWNER OF THIS BUSINESS IN VIOLATION,
11:51:02 ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE WERE PICTURES OF HIS OWN EMPLOYEES
11:51:06 WITHOUT MASKS.
11:51:09 HAVING SAID ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND SEEING WHERE THIS IS
11:51:13 GOING, MR. CHAIR, I WITH RESPECT WITHDRAW MY MOTION.
11:51:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
11:51:19 WOULD ANYBODY LIKE -- COUNCILMAN GUDES?
11:51:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT ALL OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS
11:51:29 OPINION HOW THEY VOTE.
11:51:34 AS A PERSON WHO HAS DONE INVESTIGATIONS AND HAS TO LOOK
11:51:37 AT EVIDENCE AND MAKE DECISIONS ON PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES,
11:51:45 SOMETIMES THERE ARE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES, AND I
11:51:50 UNDERSTAND THAT.
11:51:51 BUT LET'S BE CLEAR HERE.
11:51:54 QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF THE OWNER.
11:51:56 THE OWNER ADMITTED THAT THERE WERE VIOLATIONS, PERIOD.
11:52:01 THE EVIDENCE SHOWED THERE WERE VIOLATIONS.
11:52:03 NO MATTER WHAT THE MITIGATIONS WERE.
11:52:06 DID A VIOLATION OCCUR?
11:52:10 BY THE OWNER'S OWN ADMISSION, VIOLATIONS DID OCCUR.
11:52:14 SO THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT A VIOLATION OCCURRED.
11:52:18 AND THAT'S ONE STEP OF THE PROCESS MY UNDERSTANDING, MR.
11:52:21 SHELBY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A TWO STEP PROCESS IN THIS.
11:52:26 A VIOLATION OCCURRED.
11:52:33 BUT DID A VIOLATION OCCUR?
11:52:36 A VIOLATION OCCURRED.
11:52:37 SMALL BUSINESS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
11:52:40 AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
11:52:46 THEY HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
11:52:49 WE COMMIT A VIOLATION, WE COMMIT A VIOLATION, AND THEN
11:52:53 SAYING WHAT THAT PENALTY MAY BE.
11:52:55 THAT'S WHERE MITIGATION COMES INTO PLAY.
11:52:58 AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU MEDIATE.
11:53:03 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE, IS YOU CAN THEN SAY, OKAY,
11:53:06 THE OWNER DID THIS, DID THIS, AND THAT.
11:53:08 WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES.
11:53:10 WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNOR'S RULES, YOU CAN PUT
11:53:14 EVERY OTHER MITIGATION IN THERE TO HELP THAT BUSINESS
11:53:16 OWNER SAY, OKAY, STRAIGHTEN YOUR ACT UP, WE SEE YOU DOING
11:53:19 WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND WE GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO
11:53:22 CLEAN YOUR HOUSE.
11:53:23 BUT WE CANNOT NEGATE THE FACT THAT A VIOLATION OCCURRED.
11:53:28 AND WHEN WE ARE DOING THESE HEARINGS YOU NEED TO BE
11:53:31 CAUTIOUS OF THAT.
11:53:33 YOU NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS OF LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE.
11:53:38 BEING SYMPATHETIC IS THE SECOND PORTION WHERE YOU
11:53:41 MITIGATE.
11:53:41 BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, AND I CAN DEAL
11:53:46 WITH MITIGATION ALL DAY LONG AND BE SYMPATHETIC ON THE
11:53:49 BACK END.
11:53:49 BUT ON THE FRONT END A VIOLATION DID OCCUR.
11:53:52 IT DID OCCUR.
11:53:53 I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:53:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:53:57 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:53:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I WAS THE ONE THAT MADE THE
11:54:03 SECOND, SO I WILL AGREE WITH MR. CITRO TO WITHDRAW THE
11:54:07 MOTION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANOTHER MOTION, I WILL MIKE THE
11:54:12 MOTION AS I DID LAST MEETING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR
11:54:18 CASE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO COUNCILMAN GUDES, MY GOOD
11:54:20 FRIEND, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE EVIDENCE SATISFIES THE
11:54:25 STANDARD AND BURDEN IN THIS TYPE OF CASE.
11:54:33 I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE FIRST SET OF
11:54:35 PHOTOGRAPHS WHERE IN THE ESTABLISHMENT, YET THE NEXT SET
11:54:41 OF PHOTOGRAPHS IN MY OPINION IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE,
11:54:44 EITHER TESTIMONY WAS A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE.
11:54:47 SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, IN THIS
11:54:51 PARTICULAR CASE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY HAS MET
11:54:56 ITS BURDEN IN TERMS OF THE EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED TO SEE
11:55:02 BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON ANY TYPE OF CONCLUSION.
11:55:08 SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO -- MR. SHELBY OR MS. WELLS,
11:55:15 YOU SAID IT'S NOT A MOTION TO DISMISS BUT A MOTION THAT
11:55:17 WE MAKE NO FINDINGS --
11:55:23 >>> IN A VIOLATION HAS OCCURRED.
11:55:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FINDING OF NO VIOLATION, OR THERE'S
11:55:26 INADEQUATE -- THE INITIAL MOTION THAT YOU MADE,
11:55:29 INADEQUATE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT A FINDING OF A VIOLATION
11:55:32 OF SECTION 27-218-C-1-F AND ALL REASONABLE -- THAT WAS
11:55:39 MADE PREVIOUSLY.
11:55:40 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MOTION IS TODAY BUT IF YOU CAN
11:55:43 CITE TO THAT SECTION.
11:55:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL DO IT AGAIN.
11:55:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I SAW YOUR HAND
11:55:52 UP, SIR.
11:55:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND, I GUESS.
11:55:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:55:59 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YOU ARE MUTED.
11:56:00 GO AHEAD, SIR.
11:56:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE ALL THE STATEMENTS THAT
11:56:07 WERE MADE BY ALL THE COLLEAGUES ON CITY COUNCIL, AND I
11:56:11 APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S CONSIDERATION.
11:56:12 HOWEVER, I STRONGLY FEEL THAT WHAT MR. GUDES SAID, WHEN
11:56:18 YOU HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF VISITS -- THIS WASN'T ONE
11:56:26 VISIT THAT WENT TO THIS BUSINESS.
11:56:30 A NUMBER OF VISITS THAT WENT TO ONE BUSINESS
11:56:32 ESTABLISHMENT AND AT THE END THEY GOT CITED.
11:56:35 THEY KNEW FROM THE FIRST, SECOND VISIT, WHAT THE DEAL
11:56:38 WAS.
11:56:39 AND TO HAVE AN ALCOHOL LICENSE IS NOT A RIGHT.
11:56:42 IT'S A PRIVILEGE.
11:56:43 AND THE VIOLATION OF THAT IS THIS -- WHEN NO ONE GETS
11:56:49 SICK, EVERYTHING IS FINE.
11:56:52 BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY.
11:56:56 THE PROBLEM IS THAT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE PASSED
11:57:02 AWAY, APPROACHING 510,000.
11:57:06 I'LL STATE IT AGAIN.
11:57:08 THAT'S THE POPULATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, PLANT CITY
11:57:10 AND TEMPLE TERRACE COMBINED THAT ARE GONE NOW AND
11:57:16 FOREVER, FAMILIES, FRIENDS.
11:57:21 BUT WORSE THAN THAT, HOW MANY MILLIONS HAVE GOTTEN SICK,
11:57:24 INCLUDING TWO MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL?
11:57:29 IT'S NOT EASY TO SIT HERE, NOT EASY TO PASS JUDGMENT, NOT
11:57:33 EASY TO MAKE ANY TYPE OF DECISION, BECAUSE SOMEWHERE
11:57:36 ALONG THE LINE, NO ONE IS 100% RIGHT.
11:57:43 IT'S NOT WHETHER YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG, IT'S WHAT THE
11:57:45 LAW SAYS AND THAT YOU ABIDE BY THE LAW, OR YOU JUST SAY I
11:57:50 AM GOING TO TRY, BUT, HEY, I SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING, I AM
11:57:56 GOING TO CLOSE MY EYES.
11:57:57 AND I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN.
11:58:00 AT THE TIME, THERE'S A DJ OR WHATEVER, NOT THE D J'S JOB.
11:58:07 THE EARS AND THE MIND WORK TOGETHER.
11:58:09 WHEN YOU HEAR THE DJ SPEAKING YOU SAY TALKING ABOUT THE
11:58:12 MUSIC OR SOMETHING, THAT IS TRUE, BUT IF THE GENERAL
11:58:16 MANAGER OR SOMEONE GOT UP AND SAY, LISTEN, YOU EITHER
11:58:20 WEAR A MASK OR STOP SELLING LIQUOR AND ASK YOU ALL TO
11:58:25 LEAVE.
11:58:26 THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED THAT I KNOW OF.
11:58:27 AND UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, THEN NO ONE IS GOING TO GET
11:58:31 CHARGED.
11:58:32 I'M NOT HERE FOR MAKING PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME AND DOING
11:58:37 THAT.
11:58:37 THAT'S NOT MY STYLE.
11:58:38 BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHAT DAMAGE ARE WE TALKING TO
11:58:45 SOCIETY?
11:58:47 TALKING ABOUT ALCOHOL.
11:58:48 AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN GET A DUI AND YOU DIDN'T DRINK,
11:58:53 YOU CAN NEVER BE PUT IN JAIL FOR PUBLIC --
11:58:59 BUT THE QUESTION IS IF YOU ADHERE TO THE FACTS OF THE LAW
11:59:03 ACCORDING TO WHAT THE CITY PASSED.
11:59:05 WE HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
11:59:08 DOLLARS ON SENDING THIS MESSAGE ON GIVING MASKS AWAY, ON
11:59:12 SETTING UP DIFFERENT THINGS FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE AN
11:59:15 OPPORTUNITY; TO UNDERSTAND THE DANGER WE ARE FACING WITH
11:59:21 THIS COVID-19.
11:59:22 EVEN THEN, I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS.
11:59:25 AND I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE.
11:59:27 BUT IF SOMEONE WORE A MASK AT THE BEGINNING, MAYBE THAT
11:59:36 SOMEONE SHOULD BE PRESENT.
11:59:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
11:59:41 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
11:59:43 ROLL CALL VOTE.
11:59:44 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
11:59:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.
11:59:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
11:59:52 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
11:59:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
11:59:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
11:59:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
12:00:00 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES, CITRO, AND
12:00:04 MIRANDA VOTING NO.
12:00:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:00:07 WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 1:30.
12:00:24 [ CITY COUNCIL RECESS ]
01:24:14
01:31:11
01:36:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK.
01:36:19 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING BACK
01:36:21 TO ORDER.
01:36:21 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
01:36:22 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.
01:36:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
01:36:24 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
01:36:30 >>THE CLERK: DINGFELDER?
01:36:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DINGFELDER?
01:36:33 DINGFELDER?
01:36:37 WE ARE CALLING ROLL.
01:36:38 >>THE CLERK: CITRO?
01:36:42 MIRANDA?
01:36:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:36:53 HE'S HERE.
01:36:56 RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
01:36:58 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?
01:37:00 >>THE CLERK: DINGFELDER?
01:37:04 CITRO?
01:37:06 >> HERE.
01:37:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
01:37:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
01:37:10 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
01:37:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ALREADY OPENED THE PUBLIC
01:37:14 HEARINGS.
01:37:14 ITEM NUMBER 56.
01:37:26 ALL RIGHT, MR. COTTON, WERE YOU SWORN IN EARLIER?
01:37:31 >>ERIC COTTON: NO, SIR, I WAS NOT.
01:37:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
01:37:37 WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
01:37:41 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE GOING
01:37:41 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE
01:37:41 TRUTH?
01:37:45 >> YES, I DO.
01:37:46 >> GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY
01:37:55 COUNCIL.
01:37:55 THIS IS CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
01:38:00 THIS ITEM THAT'S BEFORE YOU ON A PETITION FILED BY JOE
01:38:05 GIBBONS.
01:38:05 THE APPLICANT IS THE SPECIAL USE 1 GENERAL REQUEST FOR
01:38:09 THIS PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2810 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
01:38:14 SPEAKING WITH YOU AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DECISION
01:38:17 DENYING THE DWELLING MULTIFAMILY USE WHICH REQUESTED
01:38:21 RELIEF FROM SECTION 27-132.
01:38:24 EARLIER, I PROVIDED MR. SHELBY COPIES OF THE HEARING FOR
01:38:32 HIS REVIEW.
01:38:37 CITY COUNCIL APPLIED THE VIDEO.
01:38:41 THE DECISION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD BY THE ZONING
01:38:45 ADMINISTRATOR.
01:38:46 INSTEAD, YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW
01:38:50 EVIDENCE, AND MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THE APPLICATION
01:38:55 MEETING THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-132.
01:38:59 MR. COTTON WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE REVIEW
01:39:02 REQUESTED IN THE APPLICATION AS THE BASIS FOR THE CITY'S
01:39:06 DECISION.
01:39:07 AFTER CONSIDERING ALL OF THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE
01:39:10 RECORD, AT THESE HEARINGS, COUNCIL MAY DO ONE OF TWO
01:39:14 THINGS.
01:39:15 THE CITY COUNCIL MAY UP HOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
01:39:18 DECISION AND THEREBY DENY THE SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION,
01:39:23 OR OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DECISION AND APPROVE
01:39:30 THE APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIAL USE 1.
01:39:32 WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO MR.
01:39:35 COTTON.
01:39:37 I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
01:39:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS
01:39:41 TIME?
01:39:41 IF NOT WE WILL GO TO MR. COTTON.
01:39:43 GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:39:46 >>ERIC COTTON: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:39:47 THIS IS A REVIEW FOR SU-1-2103.
01:39:54 THE APPLICANT IS JOE GIBBONS FOR PROPERTY AT 2808-2810
01:40:00 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE AT THE NORTH QUEST CORNER OF WARREN
01:40:03 AVENUE AND FLORIDA AVENUE.
01:40:06 SO CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, AND TO HAVE -- TO DO A
01:40:14 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CI ZONING DISTRICT
01:40:16 REQUIRES A SU-1.
01:40:21 THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED.
01:40:24 UP ON THE SCREEN -- OH, IF YOU WILL SHARE MY SCREEN.
01:40:29 SORRY ABOUT THAT.
01:40:39 THERE WE GO.
01:40:40 THANK YOU.
01:40:40 I WAS GOING ON RAMBLING.
01:40:42 I APOLOGIZE.
01:40:43 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, MR. COTTON, IF
01:40:45 WE COULD HAVE THE SCREEN ON THE MONITORS, PLEASE.
01:40:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT THE PRESENTATION ON THE MONITORS
01:40:53 IN FRONT.
01:40:54 THANK YOU.
01:40:55 >>ERIC COTTON: THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA FOR SPECIAL USE
01:40:57 WHEN A PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE AND THEY
01:41:00 WANT TO DO BASICALLY A SINGLE-FAMILY.
01:41:06 DIRECT ACCESS ON AN ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ROAD, HAS TO MEET
01:41:10 RM-24 STANDARDS FOR SETBACKS AND HEIGHT.
01:41:14 THIS PROPERTY IS REQUESTING ACCESS ONTO EAST WARREN
01:41:18 AVENUE.
01:41:19 THEY WERE DENIED ACCESS BY FDOT.
01:41:21 THEY HAVE ACCESS TO FLORIDA AVENUE.
01:41:24 THE REQUIRED SETBACKS ARE FRONT YARD OF 25, SIDE YARD 7
01:41:28 AND THE REAR YARD 20.
01:41:29 ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, YOU WILL SEE A SETBACK OF ONLY 2
01:41:32 FEET, AND BRINGING THE BUILDING UP TO THE FRONT TO MAKE
01:41:36 IT MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, AND ONLY ASKING FOR 10% AT
01:41:39 THE FRONT WHICH COULD BE TYPICAL UNDER THE CI ZONING
01:41:43 DISTRICT.
01:41:44 AS A RESULT TO THIS PROCESS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR
01:41:48 CANNOT GRANT ANY WAIVERS.
01:41:51 THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT HAS TO FOLLOW THE PETITION FOR
01:41:54 REVIEW AND COME TO COUNCIL FOR DETERMINATION TO BE MADE.
01:41:57 THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
01:41:59 AGAIN AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE AND
01:42:02 EAST WARREN.
01:42:04 THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
01:42:06 AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW,
01:42:10 A 10-FOOT SETBACK ALONG FLORIDA AND 2-FOOT SETBACK ALONG
01:42:14 THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.
01:42:17 THIS IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY VACANT.
01:42:23 THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, AND IF APPROVED THIS SPECIAL
01:42:27 USE PROCESS, I BELIEVE IN 2019.
01:42:32 THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
01:42:34 SO THIS WOULD BE BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT ON WARREN.
01:42:39 THIS IS WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
01:42:41 WHICH IS A BUILDING AN AND A CHURCH.
01:42:48 THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME
01:42:51 WHICH LOOKED ABANDONED WHILE I WAS THERE BUT WE COULDN'T
01:42:54 TELL FOR SURE IF IT'S OCCUPIED OR NOT.
01:42:59 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
01:43:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:43:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, GOOD AFTERNOON.
01:43:05 COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN?
01:43:08 IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE.
01:43:12 >>ERIC COTTON: YES, SIR.
01:43:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S DIFFICULT.
01:43:14 OKAY.
01:43:17 SO TO THE SOUTH IS WARREN, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MAP?
01:43:26 >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
01:43:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WHAT SETBACKS ARE THEY LOOKING AT
01:43:32 ON THE WARREN SIDE AS RELATED TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY
01:43:34 SETBACKS FOR THE NEXT DOOR?
01:43:36 AND WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT?
01:43:41 IS THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING?
01:43:45 >>ERIC COTTON: THIS IS THE PARKING FOR THE SITE.
01:43:47 THIS IS WARREN.
01:43:48 THEY ARE REQUESTING A TECHNICAL SETBACK WHICH IS REQUIRED
01:43:51 UNDER THE CI ZONING DISTRICT.
01:43:53 THEY ARE COMING INTO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE,
01:43:56 THEY HAVE A 10-FOOT FRONT AND 10 FOOT SETBACK OFF OF BOTH
01:43:59 WARREN AND FLORIDA.
01:44:01 IN THE REAR --
01:44:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, THE
01:44:06 SINGLE-FAMILY NEXT DOOR, IS, WHAT, A 25-FOOT SETBACK?
01:44:11 >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
01:44:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
01:44:12 SO THEN TELL ME ABOUT THAT PARKING LOT, WHAT SORT OF
01:44:16 BUFFERS AND THAT SORT OF THING?
01:44:25 >>ERIC COTTON: GREEN SPACE, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT
01:44:27 IS GOING TO HAVE A BORDER BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.
01:44:32 AND THIS COULD BE LANDSCAPED ACCORDING TO LIKE A 5- OR
01:44:35 10-FOOT BUFFER WHICH WOULD BE BASICALLY SHRUBS AND SOME
01:44:42 NOT OAK TREES BUT PLANTS LIKE HOLLYS AND CRAPE MYRTLE, TO
01:44:50 PROVIDE SOMEWHAT OF A BUFFER ON THAT SITE.
01:44:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEN YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN
01:44:54 THE PARKING?
01:44:57 >>ERIC COTTON: CORRECT.
01:44:58 COMING OFF OF FLORIDA, MOST LIKELY TURN IN AND GO UP
01:45:00 NORTH ON -- NORTH ON WARREN TO PARK ON THE SITE.
01:45:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO DO THEY HAVE ACCESS FROM FLORIDA
01:45:16 AVENUE?
01:45:17 >> YES, SIR.
01:45:22 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IF THEY WERE ZONING A COMMERCIAL
01:45:23 PROJECT THERE -- I MEAN A TRULY COMMERCIAL PROJECT, NOT A
01:45:25 MULTIFAMILY?
01:45:28 WOULD WE STILL BE LOOKING AT THE SAME ISSUE FROM THE
01:45:31 CITY'S PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF --
01:45:34 >>ERIC COTTON: THE ACCESS?
01:45:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:45:37 >>ERIC COTTON: EXCUSE ME.
01:45:39 NO, SIR.
01:45:39 THE ONLY REASON WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU, WHEN YOU GO FOR THE
01:45:43 ACCESS IS BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE.
01:45:45 IF IT WERE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT WERE DENIED, THEY
01:45:49 WOULD BE ALLOWED ACCESS OFF OF WARREN.
01:45:51 BUT BECAUSE OF THE CRITERIA IN THE SPECIAL USE,
01:45:55 ADMINISTRATIVELY WE CAN'T WAIVE THAT.
01:45:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
01:46:02 I'LL WAIT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE SPEAKING ON
01:46:04 THIS.
01:46:04 THANK YOU.
01:46:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:46:05 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
01:46:08 COUNCILMAN CITRO?
01:46:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:46:10 ERIC, WHERE IS THE CLOSEST ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR?
01:46:13 >> IT'S RIGHT OFF FLORIDA AVENUE IN FRONT OF THE
01:46:18 DEVELOPMENT.
01:46:19 LET ME GO TO THE OTHER MAP.
01:46:21 LET ME SHOW YOU -- THIS IS THE WRONG WAY.
01:46:24 SORRY.
01:46:25 IT'S AT THE CORNER OF WARREN AND FLORIDA.
01:46:27 FLORIDA IS THE ARTERIAL.
01:46:30 BUT IT'S A STATE ROAD SO FDOT HAS TO CONTROL DRIVEWAY
01:46:34 ACCESS.
01:46:35 SO NO CURB CUTS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
01:46:41 THE ONLY ALLOTTED ONE WOULD BE ON WARREN AVENUE.
01:46:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, ERIC.
01:46:50 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
01:46:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:46:51 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
01:46:53 IF NOT WE'LL GO TO THE PETITIONER.
01:46:57 ALL RIGHT, HEARING NONE.
01:46:59 SIR, I SEE YOU ARE AT THE LECTERN.
01:47:02 WERE YOU SWORN IN?
01:47:03 DID YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, MR. GIBBONS?
01:47:07 >> JOE GIBBONS: NO, NOT YET.
01:47:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
01:47:11 WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
01:47:12 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
01:47:14 YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
01:47:14 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
01:47:15 >> I DO.
01:47:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STATE YOUR NAME.
01:47:18 GO AHEAD, SIR.
01:47:19 >> MY NAME IS JOE GIBBONS.
01:47:21 I'M WITH GULF BAY BUILDERS.
01:47:22 I'M THE OWNER, THE APPLICANT AND THE BUILDER OF THE
01:47:25 PROPOSED PROJECT.
01:47:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:47:30 >>JOE GIBBONS: I AM ABLE TO USE THIS OVERHEAD PROJECTOR?
01:47:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:47:43 WE'LL ACTIVATE IT NOW.
01:47:45 YES, SIR, WE CAN SEE IT.
01:47:46 WE HAVE IT OUTLINED THERE.
01:47:47 >>JOE GIBBONS: SO THIS IS THE SITE HERE, NORTH FLORIDA
01:47:51 AVENUE.
01:47:52 THIS IS EAST WARREN.
01:47:54 AND THE PROPOSED IS FOR 4 UNIT SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED OR
01:47:59 TOWNHOMES, AND WITH THE ACCESS COMING IN OFF OF EAST
01:48:03 WARREN AVENUE.
01:48:04 THERE IS A VACATED ALLEYWAY THAT WAS VACATED A COUPLE OF
01:48:10 YEARS AGO, AND I'M TALKING WITH BARB JOHNSON, AND WE WILL
01:48:14 BE ABLE TO LANDSCAPE THIS, AND I HAVE TALKED TO THE FOLKS
01:48:18 THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY, AND I HAVE AGREED TO INSTALL A
01:48:22 PVC FENCE ALONG THIS PROPERTY LINE, AND CURRENTLY THE
01:48:29 HOME TO THE NORTH THAT IS OCCUPIED, THESE ARE THE FOLKS I
01:48:33 ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM AND THEIR HOME IS SET
01:48:36 BACK 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN THE
01:48:39 ADJACENT STRUCTURES ACROSS THE STREET, ACTUALLY HAVE ZERO
01:48:43 SETBACK.
01:48:43 THEY ARE RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SIDEWALK.
01:48:47 I WENT TO THE D.O.T. AND THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDED THIS
01:48:51 LETTER OF DENIAL, DENIAL WITH ACCESS ONTO FLORIDA AVENUE.
01:49:00 AND ERIC MENTIONED BEFORE IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL
01:49:04 INTENSIVE, SO WITH OUR PROPOSED SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED,
01:49:09 THAT'S WHY I AM HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
01:49:14 THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO THE HOME THAT'S TO THE
01:49:17 WEST.
01:49:20 WE PLAN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, PUTTING UP A PVC FENCE
01:49:25 AS WELL AS SOME VIBURNMS AND HOLLY.
01:49:31 THE TOWNHOMES WE DESIGNED AS ALIVE WORK.
01:49:33 THE FIRST FLOOR DOES HAVE AN IN-HOME OFFICE SO WE WERE
01:49:37 TRYING TO KEEP THE PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY BLOCK AVERAGING
01:49:40 WITH THE HOME, THE CURRENT HOME THAT'S JUST TO THE NORTH
01:49:43 OF US.
01:49:44 THE SETBACKS THAT I AM REQUESTING ARE 10-FOOT FOR THE
01:49:49 FRONT, WHICH KEEPS IN CHARACTER WITH THE FABRIC OF AN
01:49:55 EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE FRONT, TO THE NORTH AS WELL
01:49:58 AS ACROSS THE STREET.
01:50:00 THE SOUTH SIDE SETBACK IS AT 10 FEET WHICH IS ALLOWED IN
01:50:04 THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.
01:50:06 AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE ACTUALLY DESIGNED OUR RETENTION
01:50:08 AREA.
01:50:09 AND THEN IT'S WE ARE REQUESTING A 2-FOOT SETBACK TO THE
01:50:14 NORTH.
01:50:16 AND THAT CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
01:50:19 I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
01:50:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
01:50:24 YOU SHOWED THE LETTER OF DENIAL FROM FDOT FOR ACCESS ONTO
01:50:28 FLORIDA, SO IT'S THE ONLY ACCESS INGRESS AND EGRESS ON
01:50:33 WARREN, CORRECT?
01:50:34 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
01:50:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:50:36 I'LL STOP THERE.
01:50:37 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
01:50:40 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK
01:50:43 ON THIS ITEM, 56?
01:50:48 I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, BUT IS THERE
01:50:50 ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON 56?
01:50:54 >> NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
01:50:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY WELL.
01:50:58 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:50:59 IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, COUNCIL, CAN I GET A MOTION
01:51:03 TO CLOSE?
01:51:04 >> SO MOVED.
01:51:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN I, BEFORE WE CLOSE, CAN I BACK TO
01:51:11 MR. COTTON, PLEASE?
01:51:12 MR. COTTON, THE LETTER THAT YOU SAW FROM FDOT HOW MUCH
01:51:16 CONSIDERATION WAS TAKEN IN MAKING THIS DECISION?
01:51:20 >> IF THE CODE WAS NOT WRITTEN THE WAY IT WAS, TAKING
01:51:26 INTO CONSIDERATION, HAVE US LOOK AT AMENDING THE CODE, WE
01:51:32 CAN'T WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT.
01:51:34 ONLY CITY COUNCIL CAN WAIVE IT.
01:51:36 SO EVEN IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THEY WOULD
01:51:39 HAVE HAD ACCESS ONTO WARREN BUT BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL
01:51:41 USE, AND THAT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, THAT PUTS
01:51:45 US IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING TO DENY THE REQUEST AND
01:51:48 HAVING TO GO TO COUNCIL.
01:51:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JUST OFF THE RECORD, COUNCILMAN
01:51:54 DINGFELDER, JUST -- FOR THE RECORD, IF THIS WAS A
01:52:00 MULTI-USE, WOULD THIS HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE FOR?
01:52:05 >> THIS F THIS WAS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS
01:52:08 ACTUALLY RETAIL FIRST FLOOR OFFICE AND THEN COMMERCIAL
01:52:11 ABOVE IT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PERMITTED USE UNDER THE
01:52:13 CI.
01:52:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN
01:52:19 RESIDENTIAL.
01:52:22 IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED?
01:52:24 OKAY.
01:52:25 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, FOR WAITING.
01:52:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
01:52:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
01:52:36 ONE, THE TWO FEET TO THE NORTH, WHILE I AGREE -- I AM NOT
01:52:42 REALLY SURE, WAS THAT A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE TO THE NORTH?
01:52:48 >> CORRECT.
01:52:50 CORRECT YES, SIR.
01:52:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND YOU SAID THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE
01:52:52 THAT LOOKED A BIT ON THE VACANT SIDE.
01:52:58 FROM A BUYER PERSPECTIVE, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHY WE LIKE A
01:53:04 LITTLE MORE ROOM BETWEEN STRUCTURES TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW,
01:53:10 TO ALLOW PUBLIC SAFETY TO BE ABLE TO POTENTIALLY GET IN
01:53:14 THERE AND FIGHT A FIRE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
01:53:17 IS THAT A CONCERN?
01:53:20 >>ERIC COTTON: THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS THEY WILL
01:53:22 HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING CODE AND NATIONAL FIRE,
01:53:27 SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE FIRE RATED, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO
01:53:32 HAVE WINDOWS AND SUCH ON THAT SIDE.
01:53:35 MY UNDERSTANDING, I AM NOT IN THE PERMITTING.
01:53:39 THEY WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE BUILDING CODE AND THE
01:53:42 FIRE STANDARD.
01:53:43 SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FIRE CODE.
01:53:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WHAT DOES THAT TRIGGER, FIVE FEET
01:53:50 OR SEVEN FEET?
01:53:53 >>ERIC COTTON: MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S FIVE FEET OR LESS.
01:53:55 WHEN YOU GET LESS THAN FIVE FEET, THE FIRE CODE KICKS IN.
01:54:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANTED, MR. GIBBONS, TO BE AWARE OF
01:54:04 THAT, EVEN IF WE GRANT IT, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT
01:54:08 MAYBE YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF.
01:54:11 I KNOW YOU GUYS DO THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS.
01:54:15 THE OTHER THING, ERIC, I HEARD YOUR FOOTNOTE ABOUT
01:54:20 COUNCIL ADDRESSING THIS AND PERHAPS GIVING STAFF THE
01:54:22 OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE THIS ON A STAFF LEVEL.
01:54:25 MY CONCERN IS, THIS PROJECT IS ONLY FOUR UNITS, YOU KNOW,
01:54:29 8 PARKING SPACES.
01:54:31 IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL GOING INTO THE SIDE STREET.
01:54:36 BUT THIS PROJECT COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN FIFTY UNITS IN
01:54:40 THE SAME SCENARIO, AND I WOULD NOT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
01:54:45 ERIC, I WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE A STAFF DECISION.
01:54:47 I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME OUT TO
01:54:50 THE PUBLIC, AND HAVE A LOT MORE PUBLIC INPUT.
01:54:53 SO ANYWAY, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT ANOTHER DAY.
01:54:56 BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT, MR. CHAIR.
01:54:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:55:01 IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
01:55:06 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
01:55:08 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA.
01:55:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:55:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU
01:55:13 CLOSE, TO GIVE THE PETITIONER ONE LAST -- TO ADDRESS
01:55:18 COUNCIL.
01:55:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE REBUTTAL OR ANYTHING TO
01:55:21 RESPOND TO?
01:55:22 >> YES.
01:55:23 I GOT A SCHEMATIC OF WHAT THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING
01:55:27 IS. THERE'S NO WINDOWS, AND THIS WILL BE A TWO-HOUR FIRE
01:55:30 RATED WALL WHICH IS THE SAME THAT IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS
01:55:34 IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SOMETHING.
01:55:36 SO THAT WOULD ADDRESS ANY FIRE ISSUES ON THE NORTH END.
01:55:39 THERE'S NO WINDOWS, AND AGAIN IT'S A FIRE RATED ASSEMBLY,
01:55:46 AND THERE ARE NO OVERHANGS.
01:55:48 SO THE TWO FOOT IS THE TWO FOOT OF THE BUILDING.
01:55:52 THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL OVERHANGS.
01:55:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:55:58 ANYTHING ELSE?
01:56:00 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
01:56:04 MOTION BY GUDES, SECOND BY CITRO.
01:56:06 ALL IN FAVOR?
01:56:07 ALL RIGHT.
01:56:10 WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?
01:56:13 WE HAVE THE GUIDELINES IN FRONT OF US HERE.
01:56:14 >> ON CASE NUMBER SU-1-21-03-C, I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE
01:56:43 ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND HEREBY APPROVE THE
01:56:45 SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION, SU-1-21-03, BECAUSE THE
01:56:51 APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS
01:56:54 SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-132, AND 27-129, CONSIDERING THE
01:57:03 STANDARDS THAT THE FDOT DOES NOT ALLOW -- WOULD NOT ALLOW
01:57:10 THE PETITIONER TO PUT ACCESS ONTO FLORIDA AVENUE WHICH IS
01:57:13 THE CLOSEST ARTERIAL, AND DUE TO THIS STICK THE ENTRANCE
01:57:21 AND EXITWAY IS SO VERY CLOSE TO THAT, THAT I FIND IT A
01:57:26 REASONABLE REASON TO MOVE THAT EXIT ON WARREN AVENUE.
01:57:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
01:57:36 ROLL CALL?
01:57:37 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
01:57:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
01:57:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
01:57:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
01:57:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
01:57:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
01:57:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
01:57:52 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
01:57:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:57:56 ITEM NUMBER 57.
01:58:00 >>BARBARA LYNCH: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
01:58:02 GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
01:58:05 I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
01:58:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS PETITIONER PRESENT?
01:58:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, WITH A LITTLE SQUARE.
01:58:14 >> AT THE BOTTOM.
01:58:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI?
01:58:46 >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
01:58:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
01:58:47 >>BARBARA LYNCH: DO THEY NEED TO SWEAR US IN?
01:58:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THE PERSON, THE REPRESENTATIVE.
01:59:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS IT MR. MICHELINI?
01:59:03 I DON'T SEE HIM.
01:59:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE HE IS.
01:59:05 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
01:59:06 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
01:59:08 YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
01:59:08 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
01:59:14 >> I DO.
01:59:17 >>BARBARA LYNCH: SO I HAVE TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
01:59:19 >> CLICK ON THAT.
01:59:23 YOU CAN SEE THE PowerPoint, WHICHEVER ONE YOU ARE ON,
01:59:27 CLICK ON.
01:59:28 >> I'M SORRY.
01:59:30 I'M NEW AT THIS.
01:59:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S OKAY.
01:59:43 >>BARBARA LYNCH: SORRY ABOUT THAT.
01:59:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
01:59:45 >>BARBARA LYNCH: 2013 IS A REQUEST BY DAISY CARDOSA AND
01:59:54 STEVE MICHELINI AT 917 AND 919-17th AVENUE.
02:00:00 THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE THE ALLEY
02:00:05 LYING SOUTH OF 17th AVENUE, WEST OF 9th STREET
02:00:09 AND WEST OF 10th STREET.
02:00:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, MS. LIMPING.
02:00:13 CAN THAT BE MADE BIGGER TO FILL THE SCREEN?
02:00:19 >>BARBARA LYNCH: IT'S BIG ON MY SCREEN.
02:00:20 I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT.
02:00:22 >>THE CLERK: BARBARA, NEW HE HAD TO SWITCH YOUR SCREEN.
02:00:28 >>BARBARA LYNCH: AND I'M AFRAID I'M SORT OF A VOLUNTEER.
02:00:33 HOW DO I DO THAT?
02:00:34 >>THE CLERK: YOUR PANEL, YOU SEE WHERE IT SHOWS GREEN?
02:00:39 >>BARBARA LYNCH: NO, I'M SORRY.
02:00:46 HE'S COME BACK.
02:00:47 HE WILL COME HERE IN A MINUTE.
02:00:48 >>THE CLERK: OKAY.
02:00:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SUCH A ROOKIE TO THIS.
02:01:09 >>BARBARA LYNCH: I DID IT GOOD THE LAST TIME.
02:01:12 I REALLY DID.
02:01:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WOULD NOT BE ANY BETTER, TRUST ME.
02:01:16 >>BARBARA LYNCH: IS IT FULL SCREEN NOW?
02:01:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
02:01:26 >>BARBARA LYNCH: THEY STILL CAN'T SEE IT.
02:01:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE CAN SEE IT BUT IT'S NOT FULL
02:01:30 SCREEN.
02:01:30 >>BARBARA LYNCH: DO YOU KNOW WHY?
02:01:35 >>ERIC COTTON: NO.
02:01:35 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU ARE WORKING WITH TWO SCREENS, YOU
02:01:37 NEED TO SWITCH IT.
02:01:38 SO IF YOU HAVE IT ON SCREEN 1, YOU NEED TO MAYBE SWITCH
02:01:42 IT OVER TO SCREEN 2.
02:01:49 >>ERIC COTTON: DOES THAT HELP AT ALL?
02:01:51 >>THE CLERK: I AM GOING TO TAKE IT AND I WILL GIVE IT
02:02:04 BACK TO YOU IN A SECOND.
02:02:05 >>BARBARA LYNCH: THANK YOU.
02:02:08 >> IS THAT ANY LARGER?
02:02:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CAN SEE IT WITHOUT MY GLASSES.
02:02:48 [ LAUGHTER ]
02:03:01 IT'S NOT TOO BAD.
02:03:03 YOU SEE THE ICON THAT SAYS UNDER THE WELCOME, THE ICON, A
02:03:09 PENCIL, A MAGNIFIER AND THEN THE ONE WITH THREE DOTS?
02:03:15 IT'S THE FOURTH ONE WITH A SLANT IN THE MIDDLE.
02:03:17 MAYBE THAT WILL MAKE IT BIGGER.
02:03:18 >>BARBARA LYNCH: THE THIRD ONE IN OR FOURTH ONE?
02:03:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE FOURTH ONE, THE COMPUTER
02:03:25 MONITOR.
02:03:37 THE THIRD IS A MAGNIFYING GLASS.
02:03:41 >>BARBARA LYNCH: I AM SO SORRY.
02:03:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
02:03:47 DID IT WORK IF YOU CLICK THAT OR NO?
02:03:50 >>BARBARA LYNCH: WELL, I DID CLICK IT.
02:03:51 IT JUST MINIMIZED EVERYTHING ON MY SCREEN, ALL THE PAGES.
02:03:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, I CAN SEE IT.
02:04:01 GO THROUGH IT.
02:04:01 I CAN SEE IT.
02:04:02 >>BARBARA LYNCH: OKAY.
02:04:04 SO WE DID THE FIRST PAGE.
02:04:11 TO GET BACK ON TRACK, 17th AVENUE, NORTH OF COLUMBUS,
02:04:15 BETWEEN 9th AND 10th STREET.
02:04:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW IT'S COMPLETE LIT GONE.
02:04:21 IT SHOWS LIKE A PRISM.
02:04:24 >>BARBARA LYNCH: WE ARE TRYING TO GET HELP HERE FROM THE
02:04:28 PROS.
02:04:29 >>BARBARA LYNCH: THERE IT WENT TO THE SLIDE SHOW.
02:04:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW WE SEE IT.
02:04:40 JUST THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.
02:04:41 >>BARBARA LYNCH: OKAY.
02:04:44 SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, IN
02:04:48 JUNE OF 2020, BUT COULDN'T GET SCHEDULED UNTIL NOW.
02:04:54 AND BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLEY WORKS LIKE TO FENCE THE ALLEY
02:04:57 FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, AND HE HAS SUBMITTED THE REASONS
02:05:01 WHICH I PUT IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND INCLUDING POLICE
02:05:05 REPORTS FOR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
02:05:08 THE ALLEY WAS CREATED BUILT PLAT OF BONNIE HAVEN AND
02:05:13 CREATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA,
02:05:17 AND THE VACATING WAS PRESENTED BEFORE BARRIO LATINO AS
02:05:23 20-147, AND THEY DID RECOMMEND TO DENY THE VACATING
02:05:27 REQUEST.
02:05:27 AND THERE IS A CURRENT CODE FOR AN ILLEGAL FENCE.
02:05:31 HE HAS A GATE BETWEEN HIS TWO PROPERTIES ON 17th.
02:05:34 APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED POLICE REPORTS AS I STATED AND THE
02:05:39 APPLICATION -- FROM ABUTTING OWNERS.
02:05:43 THERE WERE TWO LETTERS.
02:05:48 SO THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO VACATE THE ALLEY AT EAST
02:05:54 17th AVENUE, THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 3750 SQUARE
02:05:59 FEET.
02:05:59 THE ALLEY IS UNAPPROVED, MOSTLY GRASS, AND THE ALLEY TO
02:06:07 THE NORTH WITH A CHAIN LINK GATE AND THERE'S NO
02:06:12 CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEY TO THE SOUTH.
02:06:17 APPEARS IN USE BUT IS PLATTED AS A DEAD-END.
02:06:19 IT DOES NOT RUN FROM 17th TO 19th.
02:06:22 THERE ARE EXISTING WASTEWATER, TECO AND FRONTIER
02:06:25 FACILITIES IN THE ALLEY.
02:06:27 SO HERE IS A MAP.
02:06:29 HERE IS 17th AVENUE, COLUMBUS, 9th AND 10th,
02:06:34 FAMILY OWNED, EVERYTHING IN RED, AND THIS IS THE ALLEY TO
02:06:37 BE VACATED.
02:06:40 THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS ON THE PLAT.
02:06:44 AND HERE IS THE PLAT.
02:06:46 THIS IS THE ORGANIZATIONALLY OF HOW IT'S PLATTED AND HERE
02:06:50 IS THE ALLEY TO THE NORTH SHOWING IT'S A DEAD-END.
02:06:54 THIS IS NOT THE BEST PICTURE BUT THIS IS JUST A
02:06:57 REPRESENTATION OF EVERYTHING IN RED IS WHAT WE VACATE IN
02:07:00 THIS AREA, AND HE'S GENERALLY LOCATED UP IN THIS AREA
02:07:03 RIGHT HERE.
02:07:04 SO THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF VACATING.
02:07:10 THIS IS A PHOTO LOOKING SOUTH ON 17th AVENUE.
02:07:13 IT'S THE ALLEYWAY -- THIS IS MORE MID BLOCK FROM THE
02:07:17 SOUTH.
02:07:17 THERE'S A FENCE HERE.
02:07:20 HERE IS THE ALLEY LOOKING FROM COLUMBUS.
02:07:26 THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING SOUTH ON
02:07:29 17th AND THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GATE.
02:07:33 AND THIS IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF
02:07:37 COLUMBUS AND 10th, AND THE ALLEY IS OVER HERE -- I'M
02:07:40 SORRY -- THE ALLEY IS OVER THERE. ANYWAY, THIS IS THE
02:07:44 ALLEY TO THE NORTH, AT THE CONTINUATION, THAT IT LOOKS
02:07:48 LIKE IT'S BEING USED BUT DOES NOT GO THROUGH TO 19th.
02:07:52 IT'S A DEAD-END.
02:07:54 AND WE OBJECT TO THE VACATING DUE TO THE RESPONSE FROM
02:07:59 THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION, WHICH IS BASED ON
02:08:02 THE DENIAL BY THE BARRIO LATINO FOR THE FOLLOWING
02:08:05 REASONS, AND THEY STATED IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH SECRETARY
02:08:08 OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, IT WAS EVEN INCONSISTENT WITH THE
02:08:11 HISTORIC PATTERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE APPLICANT
02:08:14 HAS NOT PROVIDED CIRCUMSTANCES TO SUPPORT THE VACATION.
02:08:18 THAT WAS THE ONLY OBJECTION.
02:08:20 IF THE VACATING IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL THEN WASTE
02:08:25 EASEMENTS NEEDED FOR TECO, FRONTIER AND WASTEWATER.
02:08:28 AND YOU HAVE CONDITIONS FOR NATURAL RESOURCES AS WELL.
02:08:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
02:08:37 ANYTHING ELSE?
02:08:37 >>BARBARA LYNCH: NOT FROM ME.
02:08:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:08:43 QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
02:08:43 NOW WE GO TO THE APPLICANT.
02:08:49 MR. MICHELINI?
02:08:50 >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:08:52 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING THIS.
02:08:54 WHEN WE WENT TO THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION, THEIR
02:08:59 COMMENTS REALLY RELATED TO MAINTAINING WHAT THEY CALLED A
02:09:02 HISTORIC GRID.
02:09:04 IT WAS ESTABLISHED.
02:09:06 IN THIS CASE, LET ME SHOW YOU -- AND I THINK BARBARA
02:09:10 ALREADY SHOWED THIS TO YOU.
02:09:12 THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF VACATINGS ALREADY IN THE
02:09:14 AREA, AND THEY OWN ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES HERE --
02:09:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY SOME INTERRUPT.
02:09:24 >>STEVE MICHELINI: WHAT HAPPENED?
02:09:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE GOOD.
02:09:28 GO AHEAD, SIR.
02:09:30 >>STEVE MICHELINI: WE HAD A VACATING OVER HERE, OVER
02:09:32 HERE, OVER HERE.
02:09:33 THIS DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING EXCEPT THE PROPERTIES
02:09:35 THAT ARE EITHER OWNED BY THE CARDOSA'S OR THE SUPPORTING
02:09:39 ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
02:09:41 AND BARBARA MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE TWO LETTERS THAT
02:09:44 WERE IN THERE RELATE TO 922 EAST COLUMBUS, AND 2703 NORTH
02:09:50 9th STREET.
02:09:52 SO THERE ARE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES SUPPORTING IT.
02:09:58 THERE ARE 11 PAGES OF TPD REPORTS SPANNING ABOUT 4 OR 5
02:10:03 YEARS REGARDING INCIDENCES INCLUDING TWO HOMICIDES, AND A
02:10:09 VARIETY OF SMALLER OFFENSES THAT HAVE OCCURRED.
02:10:13 THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER HAS EXPERIENCED GRAND
02:10:18 THEFT, LARCENY, ROBBERY AT THEIR LOCATION, AND THE
02:10:22 CARDOSA'S, HE IS CARRYING FOR HIS ELDERLY MOTHER AND SHE
02:10:28 REQUIRES CONSTANT ATTENTION, AND THEY LIVE BASICALLY
02:10:31 ACCORDING TO THEM IN FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY.
02:10:35 THE PATTERN OF THIS AREA FOR VACATING THIS ALLEY WILL NOT
02:10:41 BE CHANGED.
02:10:42 YOU ALREADY HAVE THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED ADJACENT
02:10:44 TO IT IN THE OTHER THREE LOTS.
02:10:48 THIS IS ABOUT A BLOCK OFF OF NEBRASKA AVENUE.
02:10:52 YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.
02:10:54 AND IT IS ALSO BECOME A MAGNET FOR TRANSIENTS TO GO
02:11:01 THROUGH THE ALLEY.
02:11:02 IF YOU LOOK AT THE LETTER THAT WAS SUPPLIED BY THE
02:11:05 APPLICANT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT ISSUES
02:11:10 REGARDING TRASH, DEBRIS, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, PEOPLE
02:11:15 HANGING OUT, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS.
02:11:18 SO TPD HAS RECOMMENDED A BETTER CONTROL OVER THIS ALLEY.
02:11:24 AND INITIALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER PUT THE FENCES UP TO
02:11:27 KIND OF STOP THE TRANSIENT TRAFFIC FROM WALKING THROUGH
02:11:31 IN THE BACK OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
02:11:34 ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T SAY THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE TRANSIENTS
02:11:36 IS PARTICULARLY A VIOLATOR OR WILLING OR ABLE TO COMMIT
02:11:44 SOME CRIME, YOU CAN SAY IF IT'S AN UNSECURE AREA THAT
02:11:49 ENCOURAGES INDIVIDUALS TO HANG OUT, AND ALSO AS
02:11:53 DEMONSTRATED BY THE POLICE RECORDS, YOU CAN SEE THAT
02:11:56 THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF INCIDENCES ALREADY THAT HAVE
02:11:59 OCCURRED THERE.
02:12:00 IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE.
02:12:03 IT'S AN UNIMPROVED ALLEY.
02:12:05 WE WILL BE RESERVING -- THE CITY WILL BE RESERVING THE
02:12:08 EASEMENTS IN THE EVENT THAT YOU APPROVE THIS.
02:12:11 SO THE UTILITIES WILL ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS THERE.
02:12:14 AND WE UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T BUILD OR IMPROVE ANY
02:12:17 STRUCTURES OVER THAT ALLEY.
02:12:22 THE ABILITY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PETITIONING TO
02:12:25 SECURE THAT IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO THEM, DUE
02:12:30 MAINLY TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE TO SECURE
02:12:33 THIS FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY.
02:12:36 IF YOU LOOK AT THIS VIEW HERE, THE RED ARROW POINTS TO
02:12:45 THE AREA WHERE THIS ALLEY IS BEING PROPOSED FOR BEING
02:12:49 VACATED, IS NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE, IT'S IN AN AREA THAT
02:12:52 WAS RECENTLY ADDED TO THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT,
02:12:55 AND IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS TO THE OVERALL YOU NORMALLY WOULD
02:13:02 CALL THE HISTORIC PATTERN AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF
02:13:05 YBOR CITY.
02:13:08 I CAN SHOW YOU THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH HERE.
02:13:15 YOU CAN SEE ALSO -- AND ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT BARBARA
02:13:19 SHOWED YOU, SHOWED YOU THE TREES THAT ARE GROWING IN THE
02:13:22 ALLEY AS WELL.
02:13:23 SO IT IS NOT EASILY -- I HAVE IT UPSIDE DOWN HERE.
02:13:31 IT IS NOT EASILY TRAVERSED.
02:13:34 AND THE CARDOSA'S ACTUALLY INSTALLED THE FENCE TO TRY TO
02:13:40 STOP SOME OF THE BURGLARY AND THE THEFTS THAT HAVE BEEN
02:13:44 OCCURRING THERE.
02:13:46 WE DO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FOR THIS.
02:13:49 AND I BELIEVE SOME OF THEM HAVE SIGNED ON.
02:13:51 I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STILL AVAILABLE THIS AFTERNOON,
02:13:53 BUT I KNOW THEY SIGNED ON TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS
02:13:56 EARLIER.
02:13:58 AND ALSO THE PETITIONER IS ONLINE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY
02:14:02 QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR HIM.
02:14:04 BUT THIS VACATING AS I SAID DOES NOT CREATE ANY NEW
02:14:10 PRECEDENT.
02:14:10 YOU HAVE ALREADY HAD SEVERAL VACATINGS IN THE AREA.
02:14:13 IT IS NORTH OF INTERSTATE 4 SO IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY IMPACT
02:14:17 WHAT WOULD TRADITIONALLY BE CALLED THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
02:14:21 AND WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL.
02:14:26 I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:14:27 AS I SAID, WE SUBMITTED 11 PAGES OF POLICE REPORTS
02:14:31 REGARDING EVERYTHING FROM MINOR INCIDENCES TO SIGNIFICANT
02:14:37 MAJOR CRIMES.
02:14:39 THAT CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
02:14:41 I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
02:14:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS
02:14:43 TIME?
02:14:47 ALL RIGHT.
02:14:48 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK?
02:14:51 I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ON THE LINE, AND WE DO HAVE,
02:14:57 I BELIEVE, GREENSDALE IS HERE ALSO.
02:15:01 AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN PERSON?
02:15:03 LISA?
02:15:05 >> NO, THERE'S NOBODY IN PERSON.
02:15:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CARDOSA OR MR. GREENSDALE -- DO
02:15:14 YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?
02:15:14 NO?
02:15:15 OKAY.
02:15:16 WE WILL GO TO KELLY GREENSDALE.
02:15:19 STATE YOUR NAME.
02:15:19 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
02:15:22 AND YOU ARE MUTED.
02:15:23 >> KELLY GREENSDALE.
02:15:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE GOOD, YOU ARE GOOD.
02:15:27 >> I'M KELLY GREENSDALE.
02:15:32 I RESIDE AT 2701 NORTH 9th STREET.
02:15:35 I AM ALL FOR PRESERVING THE HISTORIC GRID OF THE
02:15:39 NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, AND VACATING --
02:15:46 VACATING THIS ALLEY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
02:15:48 THIS BEHIND MY PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN USED AS A WORKING
02:15:51 ALLEY SINCE I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BACK IN 2002.
02:15:54 IT'S DIFFICULT TO MUCH SEE FROM A GOOGLE EARTH SHOT THAT
02:15:58 THERE ARE TWO CHAIN LINK FENCES INSTALLED ACROSS THIS
02:16:01 ALLEY.
02:16:02 BECAUSE THEY OWN ALMOST HALF OF THE ENTIRE BLOCK AND IT
02:16:05 PROBABLY MA MADE SENSE WAY BACK IN THE DAYS TO FENCE OFF
02:16:08 THIS ALLEY SINCE THEY OWN ALL OF THE ABUTTING PROPERTY.
02:16:11 THE WAY MY PROPERTY IS POSITIONED THIS ALLEY PROVIDES NO
02:16:13 BENEFIT TO ME OTHER THAN ADDING A LITTLE EXTRA GREEN
02:16:16 SPACE TO THE COTTAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHICH IS
02:16:20 ESSENTIALLY LOCATED RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
02:16:23 AT THE MOUTH OF THE ALLEY, THERE IS A GRAND OAK.
02:16:26 HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THIS.
02:16:27 A GRAND OAK.
02:16:28 THIS TREE MEASURES 6 FEET IN DIAMETER.
02:16:32 AND THE PRESENCE OF THIS OAK, GULF BAY BUILDERS, TO MAKE
02:16:40 HIS PUD TO HIS PARKING SPACE 20 FEET FROM THIS PROTECTED
02:16:45 TREE.
02:16:45 SO THE PRESENCE OF THIS PROTECTED TREE ALONE MAKES THIS
02:16:48 ALLEY UNUSABLE.
02:16:49 WITH THE CONCENTRATION OF PREDATORY PEOPLE AND THE
02:16:52 HOMELESS AND THE INCREASING, EVER INCREASING NUMBER OF
02:16:57 HOMELESS, THIS ALLEYWAY PROVIDES THE PERFECT COVER FOR
02:17:00 THE HOMELESS TO USE THE BATHROOM OR A PLACE TO SLEEP OR
02:17:04 SEX ACTS BE PERFORMED AND FOR DRUG USE.
02:17:08 PARAPHERNALIA IN ADDITION TO HUMAN FECES, TRASH AND
02:17:13 HOMELESS BELONGINGS FOUND IN THIS ALLEY.
02:17:16 YOU CAN SEE IN ANOTHER PICTURE, THERE'S AN ACCUMULATION
02:17:22 OF JUNK ALONG THE FENCE LINE, WHICH MAKES THE ABUTTING
02:17:27 PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING A HAZARDOUS
02:17:31 CLEAN-UP, WHICH IS NOT DESIRABLE FOR ANYONE.
02:17:34 AND JUST LAST WEEK, MY DOG WAS YAPPING AT SOMETHING IN
02:17:39 THE ALLEY AND WHEN I WENT TO LOOK AT WHAT HE WAS REACTING
02:17:43 TO, IT WAS ACTUALLY A HOMELESS MAN DEFECATING IN THE
02:17:46 MIDDLE OF THE DAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY.
02:17:49 AND I JUST WISH TO NEVER SEE THAT AGAIN.
02:17:57 AND THEN ALSO, I UNDERSTAND OUR MEETING EARLIER THIS
02:18:02 WEEK, AGAINST COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER WHO PUT UP AN
02:18:07 IMPROPER FENCE FOR CITY STANDARDS, AND PER THE VIOLATION
02:18:12 NOW, HE HAD HIS CASE DECLINED BECAUSE HE WAS JUST
02:18:15 PROTECTING HIS PROPERTY.
02:18:16 I THINK RESIDENTS ALSO DESERVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR
02:18:20 PROPERTY.
02:18:21 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ALL OF THE OTHER OWNERS ON THIS
02:18:23 BLOCK AGREE THAT THE ALLEY SHOULD BE VACATED, AND I AM
02:18:26 ASKING YOU TO PLEASE ALLOW THIS ONE SMALL PARTICULAR
02:18:30 ALLEY TO BE VACATED BETWEEN COLUMBUS DRIVE AND 17th
02:18:32 AVENUE.
02:18:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:18:38 MR. CARDOSA.
02:18:40 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.
02:18:45 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
02:18:46 YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
02:18:50 >> OH, YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
02:18:55 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
02:19:00 YES, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN HELD UP AT GUNPOINT.
02:19:05 FOUR OF THEM ARE OVER 70 YEARS OLD.
02:19:07 ONE OF THEM WAS STRUCK WITH THE BACK OF A RIFLE ON THE
02:19:10 NOSE, AND DIDN'T BREAK HIS NOSE BUT IT OPENED A WOUND.
02:19:14 THERE HAVE BEEN SHOOTINGS, MY FAMILY HAS.
02:19:20 SO OVER A DECADE.
02:19:23 THERE'S SO MUCH CRIME.
02:19:24 BUT I HAVEN'T TOLD, TO BE VERY CONCISE, IN CONSIDERATION
02:19:28 TO YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE.
02:19:30 SO I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, WHATEVER YOU
02:19:35 WANT TO ASK, RATHER THAN TO, YOU KNOW, GO CRIME BY CRIME
02:19:39 BY CRIME.
02:19:40 BUT YET PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO OUR BACKYARD THROUGH THERE,
02:19:46 AND THAT'S HOW THIS BACK DOOR WAS KICKED IN.
02:19:49 FORTUNATELY, MY MOM AND I WEREN'T HERE AT THE MOMENT, BUT
02:19:56 A BRAND NEW TV WAS STOLEN, AND AGAIN A BRAND NEW -- WE
02:20:04 HAD TO GO BACK FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS UNTIL WE COULD
02:20:09 SAVE UP FOR MORE TVs FOR MY DAD, MY MOM AND I.
02:20:16 ALSO, PEOPLE, ONE OF MY MOM'S NURSES, SHE SAW FOUR OR
02:20:22 FIVE PEOPLE SMOKING, SHE SAID IT WAS MARIJUANA OUT THERE,
02:20:26 ON ONE OF THE SIDE -- BACKPACKS.
02:20:31 I GATHERED THEM ALL AND CALLED THE POLICE.
02:20:33 AND IT TOOK A WHILE I DON'T WANT TO GO ON TOO LONG.
02:20:39 BUT THERE'S SO MUCH CRIME.
02:20:42 A DEAD BODY LAST YEAR OR IN 2019, A LADY TOLD ME TODAY
02:20:52 JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT UNTIL A CRIME RESULTS, IT
02:20:57 DOESN'T SHOW UP, AND WE COULDN'T INCLUDE, BUT SOME OF YOU
02:21:01 ARE AWARE OF IT BECAUSE YOU KNEW.
02:21:04 YOU TOLD ME ABOUT IT.
02:21:05 SO THAT'S GOING ON.
02:21:08 AND WE LOVE THIS AREA.
02:21:10 MY MOM LOVES THIS AREA.
02:21:12 SHE HAS FOUGHT TO STAY IN THIS AREA.
02:21:16 SHE FOUGHT TO MOVE AWAY AND ELSEWHERE BUT SHE LOVES THIS
02:21:19 AREA, AND BOTH MY PARENTS GAVE A LOT, MY FATHER IS A
02:21:25 DOCTOR IN HIS 70s STILL DOING HOUSE CALLS AND WORKING
02:21:29 AT SEVERAL OFFICES.
02:21:31 AND A PERSON CAN GIVE SO MUCH TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN
02:21:35 HAVE TO BE LOOKING CONSTANTLY OVER THEIR SHOULDER AND
02:21:37 BEING HELD UP AT GUNPOINT.
02:21:39 AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MUCH DETAIL BECAUSE THIS IS
02:21:43 ON PUBLIC TV.
02:21:44 I ASKED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU PERSONALLY,
02:21:46 BUT WITHOUT TV, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE IDEA TO
02:21:52 COPY CAT CRIMINALS AND OPPORTUNITY CRIMINALS TO DO WHAT
02:21:56 THEY DID ON THE OTHER LOT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS WHY A LOT
02:22:01 OF THE PEOPLE HAD OLDER RESIDENTS HAVE REPORTED THINGS.
02:22:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:22:07 >> SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BAD, AND ALL WE ASK FOR
02:22:13 IS FOR YOUR KINDNESS AND YOUR COMPASSION AND ALLOWING US
02:22:18 TO PROTECT OURSELVES, AND ALL OF THE OTHERS HAVE SAID,
02:22:23 BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT FOR MY MOM I DON'T WANT FOR ANY
02:22:27 OLDER PERSON IN THE BLOCK.
02:22:28 AND OUR OLDER PEOPLE ARE OUR MOST VALUABLE HISTORICAL
02:22:33 TREASURES.
02:22:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
02:22:34 >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS.
02:22:36 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
02:22:37 THANK YOU.
02:22:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM
02:22:39 COUNCIL MEMBERS?
02:22:43 MR. MICHELINI?
02:22:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, I HAD A QUESTION.
02:22:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
02:22:46 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:22:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BARBARA, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THERE
02:22:52 WERE TWO LETTERS.
02:22:58 WAS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE, I ASSUME, VM YBOR
02:23:05 ASSOCIATION?
02:23:05 >> NO, I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM THEM.
02:23:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO THEY GET NOTICE?
02:23:13 >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
02:23:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND AS FAR AS THE BARRIO IS
02:23:17 CONCERNED, I THINK YOU SAID THE BARRIO CAN THEN -- THEN
02:23:23 THE ARC?
02:23:25 >>BARBARA LYNCH, NO ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, AND HISTORIC
02:23:28 PRESERVATION, MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE BLC
02:23:34 FINDINGS.
02:23:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OH, SO THAT'S STAFF, ARCHITECTURAL
02:23:37 REVIEW.
02:23:38 >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
02:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO DID THE BARRIO HEAR THE DETAILS
02:23:49 THAT MR. CARDOSA AND MR. MICHELINI HAD TO SAY?
02:23:57 >>BARBARA LYNCH: I DO NOT --
02:23:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
02:24:05 >>ROB VILA: THE BARRIO REVIEWED THIS CASE ON SEPTEMBER
02:24:07 22ND, 2020, AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TODAY
02:24:12 WAS ALSO PROVIDED AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
02:24:16 THE BOARD TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE CURRENT CONDITIONS,
02:24:19 AND THEN THE BOARD IS ALSO CHARGED TO LOOK AT THE
02:24:23 LONG-TERM VIABILITY AND HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD
02:24:26 PROCEED IN THE FUTURE.
02:24:28 SO UNDER THOSE CONSIDERATIONS AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY
02:24:31 HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD AND
02:24:35 THE YBOR CITY DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY FORMULATED THEIR
02:24:39 MOTION WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDRESSED EARLIER THROUGH
02:24:42 BARBARA'S PRESENTATION.
02:24:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THERE ANY OTHER INTERIM THAT THE
02:24:52 CITY CAN PROVIDE WHAT WOULD BE A LICENSE TO ERECT A
02:24:56 FENCE, YOU KNOW, A TEMPORARY?
02:24:59 ANY SORT OF -- IT SEEMS LIKE WE GO THROUGH THIS QUITE
02:25:02 OFTEN.
02:25:02 PEOPLE NEED SOME TEMPORARY RELIEF, PERHAPS FOR THE NEXT
02:25:06 DECADE, UNTIL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PERHAPS TRANSITIONS IN A
02:25:10 BETTER WAY, BUT ALL WE DO IS SAY, WELL, WE CAN VACATE THE
02:25:16 ALLEY OR WE CAN NOT VACATE THE ALLEY.
02:25:19 BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER TEMPORARY OR INTERIM RELIEF THAT
02:25:23 WE COULD PROVIDE AT THIS POINT UNDER THE CODE?
02:25:30 >> WE CAN NEITHER LEASE NOR -- NO, SIR, WE CANNOT.
02:25:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION
02:25:39 PROJECTS, AND WE GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FENCE OFF
02:25:42 A STREET DOWNTOWN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION FOR A YEAR.
02:25:46 >> NOT BY A LICENSED AGREEMENT.
02:25:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THERE IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT
02:25:54 THAT PERHAPS WE CAN EXPAND BUT IT'S NOT THERE TODAY,
02:25:57 RIGHT?
02:26:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:26:02 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL?
02:26:04 MR. MICHELINI?
02:26:05 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, JUST IN SUMMARY HERE, THIS
02:26:09 IS NORTH OF THE INTERSTATE.
02:26:10 IT'S ONE BLOCK OFF OF NEBRASKA AVENUE.
02:26:12 IT'S NOT IN WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE THE CORE OF
02:26:16 YBOR CITY, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
02:26:18 IT WAS RECENTLY ADDED TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
02:26:22 AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THIS WENT BEFORE THE
02:26:25 BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION.
02:26:27 WE EXPLAINED, AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORS SHOWED UP REGARDING
02:26:31 THE POLICE INCIDENCES THAT YOU HAVE THE RECORDS OF IN THE
02:26:35 FILE, AND IN MY OPINION THEY BRUSHED THAT OFF AND WERE
02:26:39 STANDING ON FORUM REGARDING THE GRID AS OPPOSED TO
02:26:45 CONSIDERING THE INDIVIDUAL HARDSHIPS AND THE
02:26:48 CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE BEING EXPERIENCED BY THE
02:26:50 RESIDENTS.
02:26:51 THEY REALLY DIDN'T AGREES ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
02:26:55 CONDITIONS, INCLUDING AFTER THE TESTIMONY, AND KELLY WENT
02:27:01 TO THAT HEARING ALONG WITH ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL AND SAID
02:27:04 IT'S BAD, WE NEED TO CONTROL IT, IT'S NOT PASSIBLE, IT'S
02:27:08 UNIMPROVED, IT HAS UTILITIES IN IT WHICH WE WILL RESERVE
02:27:12 EASEMENTS FOR, IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN BUILD ANYTHING ON
02:27:15 IT, AND THOSE ARE NOT THE PLANS OF THE CARDOSA'S OR ANY
02:27:19 OF THE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
02:27:21 WE HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS
02:27:23 THIS ENTIRE BLOCK TO SEEK THIS VACATION.
02:27:26 SO WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE
02:27:30 VACATING WITH THE RESERVATION OF THE REQUIRED EASEMENTS.
02:27:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND MR. MICHELINI, IS IT TRUE THAT
02:27:36 TODAY IS YOUR BIRTHDAY?
02:27:37 [ LAUGHTER ]
02:27:39 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, IT IS.
02:27:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FROM
02:27:43 COUNCIL -- I OPENED A CAN OF WORMS.
02:27:46 >>LUIS VIERA: DID YOU GET A NEW RED TIE FOR YOUR
02:27:50 BIRTHDAY?
02:27:52 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO WILL MY
02:27:55 COLLECTION OF RED TIES TO SOMEBODY BUT THEY ARE ALL
02:27:58 DIFFERENT.
02:27:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS FOR LEGAL.
02:28:07 SO YOU ARE SAYING THERE'S NO TEMPORARY CLOSURES THAT WE
02:28:12 CAN DO WITH THE ALLEY?
02:28:16 >> YOU CAN DO TEMPORARY CLOSURES BY WAY OF PERMIT.
02:28:22 I'M SORRY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
02:28:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT A FENCE UP OR BARRIERS THROUGH
02:28:28 THE ALLEY?
02:28:30 >> WELL, YES.
02:28:32 DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE GENERALLY,BY FENCING THE
02:28:36 AREA.
02:28:37 BUT ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS FINISHED THEN THE
02:28:39 FENCE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.
02:28:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:28:45 CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
02:28:47 MOTION TO CLOSE BY GUDES, SECOND BY CITRO.
02:28:49 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:28:50 ANY OPPOSED?
02:28:52 ALL RIGHT.
02:28:52 COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU MIND READING THE ORDINANCE
02:28:55 FOR ITEM NUMBER 57?
02:28:57 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MR. CHAIR, I WILL.
02:29:06 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
02:29:10 CONSIDERATION, VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING,
02:29:12 ABANDONING A PORTION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED
02:29:16 SOUTH OF 17th AVENUE NORTH OF COLUMBUS DRIVE, EAST OF
02:29:18 9th STREET, AND WEST OF 10th STREET WITHIN THE
02:29:22 PLAT OF BONNIEHAVEN, A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
02:29:26 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY
02:29:28 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT
02:29:31 RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS
02:29:34 MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE
02:29:36 DATE.
02:29:36 >> SECOND.
02:29:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:29:39 ROLL CALL?
02:29:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:29:44 >>LUIS VIERA: DINGFELDER?
02:29:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION.
02:29:47 I JUST WANT TO STATE ON THE RECORD, I AM NOT GOING TO
02:29:51 SUPPORT THE MOTION.
02:29:55 WHILE I SYMPATHIZE TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE TEMPORARY
02:29:59 SITUATION THAT HAS ARISEN THERE, AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE ALL
02:30:04 THE TESTIMONY, I JUST BELIEVE THAT THESE ALLEYS HAVE BEEN
02:30:10 PLATTED 100 YEARS AGO, AND NOW IT'S PART OF THE HISTORIC
02:30:15 DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, THE BARRIO AND THE YBOR DISTRICT
02:30:23 MIRROR ARE SOMEWHAT SACROSANCT, AND OF COURSE COUNCILMAN
02:30:28 MIRANDA GREW UP AROUND THERE SO WE'LL HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO
02:30:31 SAY AS WELL.
02:30:32 BUT I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT THE BARRIO.
02:30:34 I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT STAFF.
02:30:36 AND BOTH OF THEM RECOMMEND AGAINST THIS.
02:30:38 I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER CLEVER
02:30:42 WAY OF DEALING WITH THIS, PERHAPS THROUGH RIGHT-OF-WAY
02:30:46 PERMITS, BUT TO PROVIDE SOME TEMPORARY RELIEF TO PEOPLE
02:30:49 WHO FIND THEMSELVES IN THIS SITUATION, SO WE DON'T HAVE
02:30:52 TO HAVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
02:30:55 MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.
02:30:57 BUT FOR NOW, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT, AND I
02:31:00 APOLOGIZE TO MR. CARDOSA.
02:31:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
02:31:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:31:07 YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO VOTE TO SUPPORT THIS AND I'LL
02:31:11 TELL YOU WHY.
02:31:13 WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROTECTING PEOPLE, ALL OF THEM,
02:31:18 SOMETIMES EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, BUT NOTHING IS REALLY
02:31:20 PERFECT.
02:31:23 IT'S AMAZING HOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I
02:31:25 KNOW IT VERY WELL, AND I ADMIT THAT THE HOUSE WAS OWNED
02:31:30 AT ONE TIME BY MY UNCLE BENNY AND IDA, AND I KNOW THAT
02:31:37 NEIGHBORHOOD PRETTY WELL.
02:31:38 WHY DO THEY HAVE ALLEYS?
02:31:40 ANYBODY ANSWER THAT?
02:31:43 WHY DOES ANY CITY HAVE ALLEYS?
02:31:46 100 YEARS AGO I WASN'T HERE BUT ALMOST 100 YEARS AGO I
02:31:49 WAS HERE.
02:31:50 I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ALLEYS WERE USED FOR WHAT?
02:31:54 GARBAGE PICKUP.
02:31:56 WHERE A TRUCK WOULD COME BY, HAD FOUR INDIVIDUAL WORKING,
02:32:01 A DRIVER, AND THEY DO BOTH SIDE QUICKLY.
02:32:05 BECAUSE WHY?
02:32:06 THAT'S ALL WE HAD.
02:32:11 NOTICE ALLEYS WHERE THE CITY'S UNDERGROUND SERVICE FOR
02:32:15 THE RESIDENTS ARE.
02:32:16 AND AT ONE TIME YOUR WATER METER AND EVERYTHING WAS IN
02:32:22 THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, NOT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE,
02:32:25 BECAUSE IT WAS USED IN A WAY NOT TO DISTURB ANYBODY AND I
02:32:29 WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS USED FOR.
02:32:31 YOU CAN GET YOUR GARBAGE PICKUP.
02:32:33 BUT TIMES CHANGED.
02:32:35 WE HAVE TO GO WITH CHANGES SOMETIMES.
02:32:37 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU
02:32:41 THAT IN THIS CASE, AND WE HAVE FOUR PAGES OF REVIEW,
02:32:49 POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS FOUND
02:32:52 DEAD, YOU HAVE MANY INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE SHOT AT, YOU
02:32:55 HAVE ALL KIND OF DEBRIS AND UNSANITIZED DEFECATING, YOU
02:33:00 HAVE ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS IN THE BACK I.ADOPT
02:33:02 WANT TO READ THEM BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE AN HOUR AND A
02:33:05 HALF.
02:33:06 BUT ON THE RECORD, IT'S AN UNSANITARY WAY OF LIVING.
02:33:14 WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT,
02:33:16 TRYING AND WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS,
02:33:19 BUT TIMES WERE DIFFICULT, AND THEY AREN'T MUCH BETTER
02:33:23 THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
02:33:24 SO I AM TELLING YOU WHAT I KNOW.
02:33:26 THESE PEOPLE NEED TO RELIEVE.
02:33:28 BARRIO LATINO OR NOT.
02:33:29 WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE HOUSES.
02:33:31 WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE FRONT OF ANYPLACE.
02:33:33 WE ARE CHANGING THE ALLEY SO THEY CAN HAVE PEACE AND
02:33:38 QUIET.
02:33:38 THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANYONE CAN LIVE UNDER THESE
02:33:41 CONDITIONS.
02:33:42 I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE THERE UNDER THESE
02:33:45 CONDITIONS.
02:33:47 BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT LAWS WERE PASSED, 80 OR
02:33:55 100 YEARS LATER AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
02:33:58 WE HAVE TO CHANGING OF FACTS, WE HAVE CHANGING OF
02:34:00 OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAKE THE LIVES OF THOSE IN THAT WHOLE
02:34:03 NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
02:34:05 AND THAT'S WHY I AM SUPPORTING THE ORDINANCE.
02:34:07 I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LAW IS.
02:34:08 AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A JOB.
02:34:11 BUT SOMETIMES THE NEIGHBORS NEED RELIEF.
02:34:14 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:34:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:34:17 ALL RIGHT.
02:34:19 CONTINUE WITH ROLL CALL.
02:34:20 >>THE CLERK: I WILL START OVER.
02:34:22 GUDES?
02:34:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:34:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
02:34:28 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
02:34:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:34:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:34:34 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:34:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:34:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND CARLSON
02:34:40 VOTING NO.
02:34:41 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
02:34:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
02:34:47 ITEM NUMBER 58.
02:34:50 WE HAVE JOHN WOLF THE APPLICANT AND THEN -- GO AHEAD,
02:35:05 BARBARA LYNCH.
02:35:05 >>BARBARA LYNCH: VAC 20-14 TO VACATE AN ALLEY NEAR
02:35:12 MACFARLANE PARK AND I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
02:35:21 IS IT UP?
02:35:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET.
02:35:25 >>BARBARA LYNCH: CAN YOU SEE IT?
02:35:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET.
02:35:27 >> CAN YOU SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN, PLEASE?
02:35:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T SEE IT YET.
02:35:49 >> MAIN MONITOR.
02:35:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
02:35:55 >> WHOLE SCREEN THERE.
02:36:02 >>BARBARA LYNCH: YAY.
02:36:05 SO 20-14 IS A REQUEST TO VACATE AN ALLEY NEAR 3221 WEST
02:36:15 STUART STREET.
02:36:16 THE PROPOSED VACATING IS SOUTH OF BRADDOCK STREET, NORTH
02:36:19 OF HUEY STREET, EAST OF LINCOLN AVENUE AND WEST OF
02:36:23 MATANZAS.
02:36:24 THE APPLICATION WAS FILED IN JUNE 2020 BUT DIDN'T
02:36:28 COULDN'T SCHEDULE IT UNTIL RECENTLY AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF
02:36:32 THE ALLEY, AND THE INTERIOR PORTION OF THE ALLEY HAS BEEN
02:36:37 NEGLECTED AN OVERGROWN TO THE POINT THAT IT IS
02:36:39 OBSTRUCTED, THE ALLEY IS NOT USED, THAT IT WILL IMPROVE
02:36:45 THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND ROADBLOCKS TO ALLEYS OWN
02:36:49 INSTRUCTED BY DEBRIS AND VEGETATION, PROPERTY OWNERS ARE
02:36:53 REQUIRED TO CLEAR FOR PUBLIC USE.
02:36:55 THE ALLEY WAS CREATED FOR THE SUBDIVISION AND IS LOCATED
02:36:59 NEAR WAKULLA PARK AND THERE ARE NO OTHER OUTSTANDING
02:37:04 LOCATIONS FOR THIS AD DRESS.
02:37:06 AND AS I SAID, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO VACATE THE ALLEY,
02:37:12 THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 6,080 SQUARE FEET, THE ALLEY
02:37:15 IS UNIMPROVED, GRASS, AND DOES NO POWER POLES IN THE
02:37:23 ALLEY AT THE WEST END OF THE ALLEY NEAR LINCOLN AND THE
02:37:27 WEST END NEAR MATANZAS.
02:37:31 AND THE ALLEY DID NOT CONTINUE WEST OF LINCOLN AVENUE AS
02:37:35 IT WAS PREVIOUSLY VACATED.
02:37:36 THE ALLEY DOES CONTINUE EAST.
02:37:38 THIS ALLEY IS NOT IMPROVED AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY
02:37:42 USE.
02:37:44 SO I'M SORRY THE PHOTOS ARE A LITTLE BAD HERE, BUT DEWEY,
02:37:50 LEROY, LINCOLN AND MATANZAS.
02:37:55 OWNERS PROPERTY IN RED AND THE ALLEY VACATED IN YELLOW
02:37:59 AND THIS IS HOW IT WORKS ON OUR RECORD.
02:38:02 THIS ALLEY IS CLOSED ON THIS SIDE AND OPEN ON THIS SIDE.
02:38:06 AND THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT.
02:38:08 THIS BLOCK RIGHT HERE.
02:38:11 AND THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE SECTION THEY ARE IN,
02:38:16 VACATED IN RED, AND THEIR REQUEST IS RIGHT THERE.
02:38:19 AND THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING EAST FROM LINCOLN
02:38:22 AVENUE.
02:38:24 THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING WEST FROM MATANZAS.
02:38:30 THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING NORTH FROM DEWEY
02:38:33 STREET.
02:38:33 AND CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEY EAST FROM MATANZAS.
02:38:40 AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
02:38:42 WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE REQUEST BASED ON THE
02:38:47 REVIEWING AGENCIES, AND IF APPROVED, TO WASTEWATER AND
02:38:52 FRONTIER AND CONDITIONS FOR NATURAL RESOURCES.
02:38:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:38:55 >>THE CLERK: FOR ITEM NUMBER 57, FILE VAC 20-13, SECOND
02:39:03 READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON APRIL 1st, 2021
02:39:06 AT 9:30 A.M.
02:39:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON
02:39:09 THE RECORD.
02:39:09 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP, SIR?
02:39:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BARBARA, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE
02:39:18 PICTURE WHERE YOU SHOWED OTHER ADJACENT ALLEYS?
02:39:28 I THINK YOU HAD RED HATCHES.
02:39:30 >>BARBARA LYNCH: HOLD ON ONE MINUTE.
02:39:33 I LOST MY PowerPoint.
02:39:36 HE'S GOING TO HELP ME.
02:39:44 YOU JUST HAD IT.
02:39:45 RIGHT THERE?
02:39:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
02:39:49 GO VERY SLOWLY WITH YOUR CURSOR.
02:39:51 WHERE IS THE SUBJECT?
02:39:53 >>BARBARA LYNCH: HERE IS THEIR PROPERTY.
02:39:56 THE PINK LINE, THAT'S THIS ALLEY BEING REQUESTED TO BE
02:40:00 VACATED.
02:40:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU SAID PART OF IT IS OPEN AND PART
02:40:03 OF IT IS CLOSED.
02:40:04 WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
02:40:06 >>BARBARA LYNCH: NO, I SAID THIS ALLEY OVER HERE, WAY
02:40:09 MEANT -- I'M SORRY -- IS THE ALLEY CONTINUATION.
02:40:12 THIS ALLEY IS OPEN.
02:40:14 THIS ALLEY IS CLOSED.
02:40:15 THIS IS BLOCKED, I THINK, BY SOME TREES IN THE MIDDLE, OR
02:40:24 VEGETATION.
02:40:26 I CAN LOOK AT THE PICTURES AGAIN.
02:40:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE ALLEY TO THE WEST IS CLOSED.
02:40:30 THE ALLEY TO THE EAST IS OPEN ALL THE WAY THROUGH?
02:40:33 >>BARBARA LYNCH: YEAH.
02:40:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND UTILIZED?
02:40:37 >>BARBARA LYNCH: NO, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
02:40:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S LEGALLY OPEN?
02:40:42 >>BARBARA LYNCH: YES.
02:40:43 I CAN SHOW YOU THE LAST PICTURE OF THE SERIES.
02:40:45 WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN?
02:40:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, THANKS.
02:40:51 SO IT JUST APPEARS -- AND HOW WIDE IS THIS PARTICULAR
02:40:55 ALLEY?
02:40:57 HOW WIDE IS THIS PARTICULAR ALLEY?
02:41:01 >>BARBARA LYNCH: TEN.
02:41:02 TEN FEET.
02:41:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:41:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
02:41:08 SEEING NONE, NEXT UP, MR. WOLF, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT
02:41:14 HAND SO WE CAN SWEAR YOU IN.
02:41:15 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
02:41:18 YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
02:41:18 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
02:41:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
02:41:24 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
02:41:25 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
02:41:28 MY NAME IS JOHN WOLF.
02:41:33 [INDISCERNIBLE] I HAVE PHOTOS THAT I CAN BRING UP THAT
02:41:51 SHOWS A PORTION OF THE ALLEY, AND -- [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
02:42:08 THIS IS ON THE WEST SIDE.
02:42:14 AS YOU CAN SEE, MY NEIGHBORS -- ON THE OTHER SIDE,
02:42:25 LOOKING FROM MATANZAS.
02:42:29 THE ALLEY ACTUALLY OCCUPIED A FENCE.
02:42:34 AS YOU COME FURTHER, YOU WILL SEE OTHER --
02:42:43 THIS IS THE ALLEY.
02:42:51 FILLED UP WITH VEGETATION AND NO ACCESS.
02:43:02 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
02:43:47 [INDISCERNIBLE]
02:43:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:43:54 DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
02:43:58 WE HAVE ONE PERSON REGISTERED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
02:44:01 THEIR NAME IS RICK SIDELL.
02:44:08 >>THE CLERK: MR. SIDELL IS NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.
02:44:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE IN THE PUBLIC ON THE
02:44:13 SECOND FLOOR TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 58?
02:44:16 >> NO, NO ONE IS HERE IN PUBLIC.
02:44:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
02:44:20 IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN
02:44:23 CITRO, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
02:44:24 ALL IN FAVOR?
02:44:26 AYE.
02:44:27 ANY OPPOSED?
02:44:27 COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER
02:44:30 58?
02:44:32 WANT TO PASS?
02:44:33 COUNCILMEMBER GUDES?
02:44:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FILE VAC 20-14.
02:44:47 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION.
02:44:50 AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, ABANDONING
02:44:53 A PORTION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH OF
02:44:56 LEROY STREET NORTH OF DEWEY STREET EAST OF LINCOLN AVENUE
02:44:59 AND WEST OF MATANZAS AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF JOHN H.
02:45:03 DREWS FIRST EXTENSION A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA,
02:45:06 FLORIDA HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA
02:45:08 AND MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO
02:45:10 CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS,A CONDITIONS AND
02:45:14 RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN
02:45:17 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
02:45:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
02:45:21 ROLL CALL VOTE.
02:45:21 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
02:45:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
02:45:28 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
02:45:31 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
02:45:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
02:45:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
02:45:39 >>THE CLERK: WAS THAT A NO?
02:45:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
02:45:42 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
02:45:42 AND MANISCALCO.
02:45:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
02:45:44 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER AND CARLSON
02:45:48 VOTING NO.
02:45:51 SECOND READING WILL BE HELD ON -- 9:30 A.M.
02:45:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CONTINUE TOP LOOK AT THESE ALLEYWAYS,
02:46:00 AND I RESPECT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I AM JUST SAYING
02:46:05 THIS IS THE 21st CENTURY, 2021.
02:46:09 IF WE DON'T USE ALLEYWAYS ANYMORE.
02:46:12 MOST OF THE ALLEYWAYS ARE OVERGROWN, AND THERE ARE NO
02:46:17 CARS, AND TO BRING THESE TYPE OF PHOTOS AND THIS
02:46:22 PARTICULAR CASE TO COUNCIL, I DON'T SEE THE POINT.
02:46:27 IF THE HEARING OFFICER HAS SOMETHING THAT THE
02:46:29 ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND DETERMINE
02:46:33 AND TO BRING ALMOST 15, 20 MINUTES OF US TALKING ABOUT AN
02:46:38 ALLEYWAY THAT WILL NEVER EVER BE USED AGAIN.
02:46:42 I JUST DON'T SEE THE POINT.
02:46:45 AND TO ME, IT'S A WASTE OF COUNCIL'S TIME.
02:46:52 WE'D WE ARE AT A DIFFERENT TIME AND ERA AND SOME OF THESE
02:46:56 THINGS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
02:46:58 I HAD TO PUT THAT OUT BECAUSE TO ME, IT'S A WASTE OF
02:47:02 COUNCIL'S TIME.
02:47:03 >>> REMEMBER IT'S A $1,000 APPLICATION FEE WHICH YOU PAY
02:47:06 FOR WHETHER YOU VACATE IT OR NOT.
02:47:09 COUNCILMAN CITRO, CARLSON, MIRANDA, DINGFELDER.
02:47:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
02:47:15 MY COLLEAGUES, TIME SPENT, ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD,
02:47:21 YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT RESIDENTS
02:47:24 WERE CITED FOR NOT TAKING CARE AND MAINTAINING THEIR
02:47:28 PORTIONS OF THE ALLEYWAY, AND HOW MANY FINES THAT WERE
02:47:32 GIVEN THAT I HAD TO GIVE BECAUSE OF THIS.
02:47:36 AS WE HAVE SEEN IT THIS PICTURE, CLEARLY, CLEARLY, THESE
02:47:41 ALLEYS WERE NOT MAINTAINED.
02:47:44 HOW MUCH MONEY ARE THESE PETITIONERS, OR THIS ALLEYWAY
02:47:48 RESIDENT, GOING TO HAVE TO PAY AND THE COST TO MAINTAIN
02:47:54 THOSE ALLEYWAYS TO CLEAR THEM OUT AGAIN, WHEN THESE
02:47:58 PETITIONERS -- EXCUSE ME, THIS PETITIONER AND PEOPLE THAT
02:48:01 OWN THESE PROPERTIES DON'T WANT, DON'T WANT THAT
02:48:04 ALLEYWAY.
02:48:06 IT'S TIME THAT WE START LOOKING AT THESE ALLEYS AS MORE
02:48:10 OF A NUISANCE TO THE HOMEOWNERS THAN WHAT'S BENEFICIAL.
02:48:15 THANK YOU.
02:48:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAYBE WE COULD BRING THIS UP DURING
02:48:18 NEW BUSINESS, TOO, AND LOOK AT IT.
02:48:21 CARLSON, MIRANDA, DINGFELDER.
02:48:23 >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP IN NEW
02:48:26 BUSINESS AFTER THIS DISCUSSION, TOO.
02:48:27 I FEEL COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE.
02:48:29 I THINK THAT WE NEED A SYSTEMIC STRATEGY.
02:48:33 IT'S UNACCEPTABLE THAT SOMEBODY LIKE THE LAST PETITIONER
02:48:36 BEFORE HAS THAT KIND OF CRIME AND THOSE KIND OF ISSUES,
02:48:40 AND THE CITY NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING TO CLEAN THEM UP.
02:48:42 AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ALLEYS THAT AREN'T MAINTAINED.
02:48:45 IF THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN
02:48:48 IT, THE CITY NEEDS TO MAINTAIN IT AND MAY NEED TO PAY
02:48:51 THEM.
02:48:52 I ENCOURAGE SOME OF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, I ENCOURAGE
02:48:54 TO YOU GO TO SOUTH TAMPA.
02:48:56 I GREW UP IN AND AROUND THE HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
02:48:58 ASSOCIATIONS, AND THOSE ALLEYS ARE USED ALL THE TIME, AND
02:49:04 THE CITIZENS OF THAT AREA WANT ME TO DEFEND ALLEYS
02:49:08 THROUGHOUT THE CITY BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL IN A HISTORIC
02:49:11 DISTRICT THEY SHOULD STILL BE THERE, AND IN HYDE PARK IN
02:49:15 PARTICULAR, WE'LL HAVE 1,000 PEOPLE SHOW UP IF WE TRY TO
02:49:18 TAKE AWAY ALLEYS THERE F.OUT 2021 LOOK SYSTEMICALLY AT
02:49:21 THE CITY AND SAY CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD DON'T CARE AND WE
02:49:24 WANT TO GIVE AWAY THAT ASSET FOREVER FOR THE FUTURE, THEN
02:49:27 WE CAN CONSIDER THAT, WE CAN SAVE EVERYBODY A LOT OF
02:49:30 TIME.
02:49:31 BUT THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD, SPECIFICALLY HISTORIC
02:49:36 DISTRICTS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PAST HANDED US, IT'S A
02:49:38 GIFT THAT WE CAN USE FOR THE FUTURE.
02:49:39 THEY ARE VERY WELL USED IN SOUTH TAMPA AND SOME OTHER
02:49:42 NEIGHBORHOODS.
02:49:42 AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT, ARE WE GOING TO
02:49:46 USE THEM IN NEIGHBORHOOD?
02:49:47 RIGHT NOW WE ARE JUST DOING IT PIECEMEAL.. IF WE SAY,
02:49:51 WELL, SOME OF THESE ARE CLOSED, THEN WE SHUT ALL OF THEM.
02:49:55 IF WE SEE -- WE SEE SOME THINGS GOING BACK TO CELEBRATE
02:49:58 THE PAST AND THE PLANNING THAT WAS DONE, AND ALSO LOOK AT
02:50:02 THE SYSTEMICS, WE NEED TO GET THE BEST THOUGHTS TO SEE
02:50:08 WHAT WE ARE DOING.
02:50:09 FOR YEARS, AT LEAST EIGHT OAR MORE YEARS THERE, WAS NO
02:50:12 PLANNING DONE AT ALL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE DON'T
02:50:14 EVEN HAVE INPUT FROM WHAT PEOPLE WANT, AND ALL KIND OF
02:50:19 INFRASTRUCTURE IS IGNORED, AND THE ALLEYS AND WHAT WE
02:50:21 COULD DO WITH THEM OR CAN DO WITH THEM OR WHETHER WE
02:50:24 SHOULD SHUT THEM DOWN THAT SHOULD BE PART OF A SYSTEMIC
02:50:28 CONVERSATION.
02:50:28 THANK YOU.
02:50:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THEN COUNCILMAN
02:50:31 DINGFELDER.
02:50:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A
02:50:35 FEW THINGS.
02:50:36 BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ALLEY, TO LOOK AT THESE ALLEYS,
02:50:41 IF WE WERE TO CLOSE THE ALLEYS, AND SEND CODE ENFORCEMENT
02:50:45 TO INSPECT THEM, WE WOULD BE GIVING OURSELVES A CITATION.
02:50:48 [ LAUGHTER ]
02:50:50 I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY.
02:50:52 IT'S A FACT.
02:51:01 I CAN TELL YOU, I REMEMBER JOHN LOOK BARBER, GOOD FRIEND
02:51:05 OF MINE, HE WAS HERE PROBABLY AT LEAST TEN TIMES A YEAR
02:51:07 FOR ALLEYS AROUND HIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE DUMPING
02:51:10 GROUNDS FOR PEOPLE THAT DID NOT LIVE THERE, AND I AM NOT
02:51:13 SAYING THE WHOLE CITY IS LIKE THAT BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT
02:51:16 SPECIFIC AREAS THAT HAVE A MIDDLE INCOME LIVING AND WANT
02:51:21 TO LIVE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
02:51:23 AND THE PROBLEM IS TODAY THAT THE CITY HAS A HARD TIME
02:51:29 MAINTAINING THE ROADS.
02:51:31 AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROADS IN TAMPA -- AND THIS IS NOT
02:51:34 TO DO WITH THIS MAYOR OR ANY OTHER MAYOR BEFORE OR AFTER
02:51:37 OR IN THE FUTURE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SOCIETY HAS
02:51:40 SEEN, AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WANTS THE ALLEYS, LET
02:51:45 THEM KEEP THEM.
02:51:46 YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN AN ALLEY LIKE THIS, ALMOST LIKE A
02:51:54 GRAND OAK.
02:51:55 THERE'S STREETS ALL OVER THESE ALLEYS, THERE ARE MORE
02:52:00 THINGS COMING OUT OF THE ALLEY, AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU T
02:52:04 IN FACT IF YOU GO FROM MLK TO TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD, AND
02:52:08 FROM MacDILL ALL THE WAY WEST TOWARDS ARMENIA, I
02:52:12 THINK MAYBE YOU WILL FIND ONE ALLEY.
02:52:15 THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CLOSED.
02:52:20 THE ALLEYS ARE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
02:52:22 THE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE, YOU KNOW, THE ALLEYS ARE JUST A
02:52:28 THING THAT HAPPENED.
02:52:30 IT'S THERE.
02:52:32 IF SOME NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO KEEP, AND SOME NEIGHBORHOOD
02:52:34 WANT IT BECAUSE IN PARTS OF THE CITY THEY ARE USED TO
02:52:38 DRIVE IN AND OUT TO PARK YOUR CAR, AND WHERE YOU HAVE
02:52:43 YOUR GARAGE.
02:52:44 SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.
02:52:46 I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE IN THE SAME WAY.
02:52:50 THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STREETS.
02:52:57 HIGHWAYS.
02:52:58 AND THAT'S THE WAY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
02:53:04 AND MARION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE WANT
02:53:09 SOMETHING, TO HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE LICK
02:53:12 EVERYBODY ELSE.
02:53:12 AND IN WEST TAMPA ESPECIALLY, THEY HAVE MORALLY CLOSINGS
02:53:17 BECAUSE WHY?
02:53:17 WHO GOES THROUGH THE ALLEY?
02:53:19 IF YOU WENT IN AND ALLEY NOW AND TURNED AROUND YOU
02:53:23 WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT.
02:53:25 AND I AM NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
02:53:27 IT'S A FACT.
02:53:28 IF YOU GO IN THERE NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING
02:53:34 TO FIND.
02:53:34 I GUARANTEE YOU, YOU AREN'T GOING TO FIND ANYTHING THAT
02:53:37 SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO HAVE INSIDE THEIR HOUSE IN A
02:53:41 FENCE.
02:53:41 SO THESE ARE THE THINGS GOING ON NOW.
02:53:43 THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.
02:53:44 AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO HAVE SAME PARITY AS
02:53:49 SOMEBODY ELSE.
02:53:50 MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T WANT THE ALLEY.
02:53:55 IF YOU CLEAN THE AREA ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE DO NOT DO
02:53:59 THAT AS A CITY.
02:54:01 MAYBE WE SHOULD.
02:54:01 BUT IF YOU DO THAT, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO GET
02:54:04 SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED.
02:54:05 IF IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
02:54:08 I HAVE IN A PROBLEM WITH DIVIDING THE ALLEY SO IN SOME
02:54:13 CASES NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T WANT
02:54:14 AND THESE PEOPLE PAY A COUPLE MORE THOUSAND TAXES A YEAR
02:54:21 BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE LAND 60 FEET, 80 OR
02:54:25 100.
02:54:25 WEST TAMPA DOESN'T HAVE ONE STANDARD.
02:54:31 SO IT'S NOT THAT I WANT TO CLOSE THEM.
02:54:35 WHEN YOU LOOK AT FACTS, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AS
02:54:37 THEY ARE TODAY.
02:54:38 THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE OR WAS YESTERDAY.
02:54:41 AND I SAID EARLIER, IT WAS A MESSAGE FOR THE CITY, TO
02:54:45 SERVICE THE NEED OF THE TAXPAYERS.
02:54:51 THEY DON'T FIT IN THE ALLEYS.
02:54:55 THEY COME TO PICK UP YOUR GARBAGE ON A TWICE A WEEK
02:54:59 BASIS.
02:55:00 THERE FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULDN'T DO GO THROUGH BECAUSE THE
02:55:05 TREES ARE THERE.
02:55:05 SO THESE THINGS ALL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
02:55:08 AND I TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE AS THEY COME TO US.
02:55:14 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
02:55:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
02:55:24 WE HAVE HUNDRED MORE AFTER THIS AND THEN SEVERAL HOURS OF
02:55:28 STAFF REPORTS.
02:55:29 GO AHEAD.
02:55:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EVERYBODY ELSE HAS THEIR TWO CENTS IN
02:55:32 SO HERE IS MAIN.
02:55:33 I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, CHARLIE.
02:55:35 WE SHOULD TAKE THEM ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS BECAUSE EACH
02:55:38 ONE OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT.
02:55:40 WE CAN HAVE BARBARA LYNCH TESTIFY ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU AND
02:55:44 I HAVE BEEN HERE, BARBARA, FOR 20 YEARS OR MORE YEARS
02:55:48 TALK ABOUT HOW EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT.
02:55:51 MANY TIMES, THERE'S NO GOOD REASON TO SAVE AN ALLEY.
02:55:56 ALL OF THE HOUSES SERVE FRONT LOADED GARAGES, AND NOBODY
02:56:00 HAS USED FOR YEARS AND THE TREES ARE OVERGROWN,
02:56:02 ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY THE ONES
02:56:05 THAT COUNCIL VOTES TO BE VACATE.
02:56:07 BUT THE FLIP SIDE IS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, TODAY
02:56:12 AND TOMORROW, AND AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON VERY APTLY
02:56:15 POINTED OUT, YESTERDAY IS EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE HEADED TO
02:56:20 TOMORROW.
02:56:21 SO IN OTHER WORDS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE MAIN STREET AREA,
02:56:27 MY STAFFER, WHEN ED TURANCHIK AND HIS TEAM CAME IN AND
02:56:31 STARTED REDEVELOPING A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN THAT
02:56:33 AREA, ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE STARTED HAVING MORE REAR-LOADED
02:56:38 GARAGES, RIGHT, BARBARA?
02:56:41 THAT ENTERED FROM THOSE ALLEYS.
02:56:46 WHERE SOME COUNCIL 25 YEARS AGO HAD VACATED THOSE
02:56:49 PROPERTIES, THEN THOSE PROPERTIES WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THAT
02:56:52 ADVANTAGE AND ALL THEY WOULD HAVE IS FRONT LOADED
02:56:54 GARAGES.
02:56:55 SO A LOT OF TIMES MOST PROPERTIES ARE SO NARROW THAT THEY
02:56:58 ARE ONLY 35 FEET WIDE, THAT YOU COULDN'T EVEN HAVE A
02:57:01 FRONT LOADING GARAGE SO THEREFORE YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE
02:57:04 A GARAGE.
02:57:05 SO WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, YES, I THINK THAT IT'S
02:57:11 IMPORTANT THAT THIS COMES TO COUNCIL ON A CASE-BY-CASE
02:57:15 BASIS.
02:57:16 IN THIS CASE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S STILL ON THE SCREEN,
02:57:20 HE GOT THE ALLEY VACATED ON BEHALF OF HIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
02:57:23 I'M SORRY IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.
02:57:25 MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL CHIP IN.
02:57:27 SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
02:57:28 BUT REGARDLESS, YOU GOT A VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN
02:57:31 THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE, YOU GOT AN ADDITIONAL PROBABLY 7
02:57:35 AND A HALF FEET IN THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE, EASILY WORTH
02:57:38 MORE THAN A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TODAY'S MARKET.
02:57:41 SO I'M SORRY IT COST YOU MONEY.
02:57:45 BUT EACH ONE OF THESE HAS TO BE TAKEN ON A CASE-BY-CASE
02:57:49 BASIS BY CITY COUNCIL.
02:57:51 I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE WAY WE ARE.
02:57:53 THANK YOU.
02:57:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:57:56 ITEM NUMBER 59.
02:57:57 >>BARBARA LYNCH: LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
02:58:02 I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN, SEE IF IT WORKS.
02:58:06 OKAY.
02:58:11 DO YOU SEE IT?
02:58:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. GO AHEAD.
02:58:13 >>BARBARA LYNCH: VAC 20-15 IS APPLICATION BY ROBERT
02:58:18 DELAND AND LEONARD CASTALDI TO VACATE AN ALLEY AT 2722
02:58:23 AND 2720 WEST CASS STREET.
02:58:35 I'M SORRY.
02:58:36 THE PROPOSED VACATING REQUEST IS TO VACATE UNIMPROVED
02:58:39 ALLEY SOUTH OF CASS STREET, NORTH OF CARMEN STREET, EAST
02:58:42 OF HABANA AVENUE AND WEST OF TAMPANIA AVENUE.
02:58:46 THE APPLICATION WAS FILED, AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER HOLDOVER
02:58:50 FROM LAST YEAR, AND WE JUST RECENTLY WERE ABLE TO
02:58:53 SCHEDULE IT, THE APPLICANT OWNS PARCELS ON THE NORTH SIDE
02:58:55 OF THE ALLEY, THE APPLICANT'S REASON FOR THE APPLICATION
02:58:58 IS AS FOLLOWS, THE ALLEY IS NOT USED AS INTENDED TO
02:59:01 PREVENT THE EASE OF RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN OR CURRENTLY
02:59:06 IMPASSABLE, AND NO HOMEOWNER USE IT IS ACCESS GARAGES AND
02:59:12 NOT USED BY THE CITY FOR PICKUP.
02:59:15 THE ALLEY WAS CREATED BY THE SUBDIVISION WEST PINES AND
02:59:21 LOCATED IN WEST TAMPA, IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY
02:59:23 DISTRICT.
02:59:24 THERE ARE NO OTHER OUTSTANDING APPLICATIONS OR CASES ON
02:59:27 FILE FOR THIS ADDRESS.
02:59:32 REQUESTING TO VACATE THE ALLEY LOCATED AT THIS LOCATION,
02:59:35 AND THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS 8428 SQUARE FEET.
02:59:39 THE ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED WITH SOME ASPHALT AT EITHER WHERE
02:59:42 THE ALLEY MEETS THE STREET, NO EVIDENCE OF ABUTTING
02:59:46 OWNERS FOR ACCESS, THE ALLEY DOES NOT CONTINUE WEST OF
02:59:49 THE HABANA AVENUE, THE ALLEY DOES NOT CONTINUE EAST OF
02:59:53 TAMPANIA AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY VACATED.
02:59:56 AND THERE ARE WASTEWATER AND -- IN THE ALLEY.
03:00:00 THE ALLEY IS IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT AND
03:00:04 REVIEWED BY URBAN DESIGN WITH THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS.
03:00:06 IN REVIEWING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THAT BLOCK, THE
03:00:10 ALLEY IS NOT BEING USED FOR ACCESS TO ANY OF THE
03:00:12 PROPERTIES.
03:00:13 THE ONLY VACANT LOT AGAIN BASED ON THE 2019 AERIAL IS
03:00:17 LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CARMEN AND TAMPANIA, THE ALLEY
03:00:20 DOES NOT HAVE CONNECTIVITY AS IT ONLY RUNS FROM TAMPANIA
03:00:24 TO HABANA.
03:00:25 OFFICE OF URBAN DESIGN HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE ALLEY
03:00:28 BEING VACATED ON THIS DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON THIS LOT AND
03:00:33 THE ADJACENT BLOCK.
03:00:34 HERE IS THE AERIAL.
03:00:34 THIS IS CASS STREET, CARMEN STREET.
03:00:44 THIS IS THE ALLEY IN YELLOW.
03:00:46 THIS IS A SHOT AS IT WAS PLATTED.
03:00:58 THIS IS A 14-FOOT ALLEY.
03:01:00 HERE ARE SOME OF THE -- HERE IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY
03:01:02 VACATED SHOWN IN RED.
03:01:04 THIS IS THE ALLEY THAT'S IN QUESTION.
03:01:07 AND THERE IS NO ALLEY TO THE WEST.
03:01:10 THE ALLEY TO THE EAST HAS BEEN VACATED.
03:01:16 HERE IS A PICTURE LOOKING EAST FROM HABANA AVENUE,
03:01:19 OVERGROWN, AND THE FENCE FALLING DOWN.
03:01:23 AND THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING EAST FROM TAMPANIA.
03:01:28 YOU CAN SORT OF SEE IN THE OVERGROWTH BACK THERE.
03:01:32 AND THIS IS ONE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTIES.
03:01:35 AND THE OTHER HOUSE.
03:01:38 AND STAFF HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE VACATING BASED ON THE
03:01:41 RESPONSES RECEIVED, AND IF THE VACATING IS APPROVED WE
03:01:45 NEED EASEMENTS TO WASTEWATER, FRONTIER AND CONDITIONS FOR
03:01:48 NATURAL RESOURCES.
03:01:49 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
03:01:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
03:01:53 ALL RIGHT.
03:01:55 HEARING AND SEEING NONE, WE HAVE ROBERT DELAND AND
03:02:05 LEONARDO CASTALDI.
03:02:08 IF MR. DELAND, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK, PLEASE TURN ON
03:02:11 YOUR CAM AND UNMUTE YOURSELF AND WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN AS
03:02:14 WELL.
03:02:14 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY
03:02:26 YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
03:02:26 NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
03:02:29 >> I DO.
03:02:29 >> I DO.
03:02:30 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
03:02:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CASTALDI, GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:02:34 >> I JUST CAN'T SEE USING -- I TRIED TO KEEP IT CLEAN
03:02:49 BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE, ALSO THE NEW BUILDERS OVER MY SITE
03:02:56 COULD HAVE STARTED TAKING CARE OF THAT, BUT FOR SEVERAL
03:03:00 MONTHS, AND I STARTED TO FIND PEOPLE SORT OF EXCREMENT,
03:03:13 AND AT ONE TIME FIND OURSELVES A DEAD ANIMAL AND THEN WE
03:03:18 REPORTED THAT.
03:03:19 SO IT'S NOT USED, IT'S COMPLETELY DARK, AND NO REASON TO
03:03:26 HAVE IT IN THE BACK THERE.
03:03:28 YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO KID, AND I WOULD PREFER TO BE A
03:03:32 LITTLE MORE SPACE SO WE CAN PLAY WITH THE KID, SO IT'S
03:03:39 SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER ON, AND I DON'T WANT
03:03:42 TO TAKE MORE TIME.
03:03:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:03:45 DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
03:03:49 HEARING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT
03:03:51 WISHES TO SPEAK?
03:03:52 I SEE YOU AT THE LECTERN.
03:03:53 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
03:03:54 >> YES.
03:03:58 MY NAME IS SANDY SANTOS AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE
03:04:03 GARDENS CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
03:04:04 YOU HAVE GOTTEN A PACKET FROM ME, THERE WON'T BE ANY
03:04:09 TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES EXCEPT FOR MR. DINGFELDER, SO I
03:04:12 PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD FOR NUMBER 1 WHICH IS THE DRAWING
03:04:16 OF THE AREA.
03:04:19 CAN YOU SEE IT?
03:04:20 MR. DINGFELDER?
03:04:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO BRING UP THE
03:04:26 OVERHEAD.
03:04:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S NOT ON YET BUT I AM SURE IT WILL
03:04:30 BE COMING UP SOON.
03:04:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN YOU TURN ON THE OVERHEAD?
03:04:33 THERE WE GO.
03:04:34 CAN YOU SEE IT, SIR?
03:04:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN YOU ZOOM IT OUT?
03:04:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU NEED TO ZOOM IT OUT OR YOU ARE
03:04:41 GOING WITH THAT?
03:04:42 IT SHOWS TAMPANIA, CARMEN AND CASS.
03:04:46 >> THIS IS THE BLOCK WHERE THE ALLEY IS, WITH CASS TO THE
03:04:49 NORTH AND CARMEN TO THE SOUTH.
03:04:50 AND THE ALLEY DEAD-END AT HABANA AND TAMPANIA.
03:04:55 THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOT TOGETHER AND STARTED A PETITION, AND
03:05:00 ANOTHER ALLEY, THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON YELLOW,
03:05:06 ALL THE ONES THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE VACATING THIS ALLEY.
03:05:10 IF YOU VACATE THIS ALLEY, THERE'S 14 OTHER PARCELS THAT
03:05:15 WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY WITH THE DESIGN THAT'S COME OUT
03:05:20 WITH THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
03:05:22 BUT LET ME GET TO THAT.
03:05:23 SO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU IS A DIAGRAM
03:05:27 SHOWING THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT WANT -- DO NOT AGREE TO
03:05:31 VACATE THIS ALLEY.
03:05:32 AND ATTACHED PETITIONS THAT WENT TO THAT.
03:05:37 THE SECOND PACKET WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE, MR. DINGFELDER,
03:05:42 IS THE PEOPLE THAT DO LIVE ON THE ALLEYS THAT HAVE BEEN
03:05:46 OPEN FOR PUBLIC -- FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN
03:05:50 THE ALLEY AND PARK THERE, AND ASK THAT I ATTACH PICTURES
03:05:56 OF THE ALLEYS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE
03:05:58 OF THEIR ALLEYS, AND THE ONES THAT LIVE ON THE ALLEYS
03:06:04 THAT HAVE BEEN USED FOR PARKING ACCESS THROUGH THE REAR.
03:06:09 THE THIRD THING THAT YOU HAVE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IS A
03:06:12 COPY OF THE NEWLY APPROVED WEST TAMPA OVERLAY, APPROVED
03:06:16 BY THIS COUNCIL ON FEBRUARY 4th, 2021.
03:06:20 I WOULD LIKE TO READ AN EXCERPT FROM ONE OF THE LETTERS
03:06:23 THAT WAS SENT TO YOU, FROM CARLOS RAMIREZ WHO IS ONE OF
03:06:28 THE LEADERS OF THE NORTH HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
03:06:32 AND I QUOTE: AS A MEMBER OF THE WEST TAMPA CAC AND CHAIR
03:06:36 OF THE INFRASTRUCTURES COMMITTEE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
03:06:39 HARD ON CHANGING WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT TO SAVE OUR
03:06:42 EXISTING ALLEYWAYS.
03:06:44 THIS ALLEYWAY FALSE WITHIN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.
03:06:50 OUR APPROVED CHANGES, ANY NEW HOME BUILT SHALL HAVE ITS
03:06:53 MAIN STREET ACCESS TO THE ALLEYWAY.
03:06:55 THIS HAS BEEN DONE FOR SEVERAL REASONS: ENCOURAGE FRONT
03:06:59 PORCHES AND NEIGHBORHOOD INTERACTION, PROVIDE MORE
03:07:02 CONTINUOUS SECTIONS OF SIDEWALK WITHOUT DRIVEWAYS, AND
03:07:05 SAFETY BY ELIMINATING VEHICLES VERSUS CRASHES.
03:07:11 AS WE CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO REENERGIZE, ALLEYWAYS ARE
03:07:15 A GREAT TOOL TO HAVE IN OUR TOOL BOX. ALLOWING THE
03:07:18 CLOSURE OF ALLEYWAYS AT THIS POINT WHERE COMMUNITY
03:07:22 LEADERS, URBAN PLANNERS AND MOBILITY EXPERTS IN THE CITY
03:07:25 OF TAMPA ARE TRYING TO REVIVE THIS PUBLIC LAND AGREEING
03:07:30 TO THE PETITION WOULD REVERSE THE PROGRESS AND STOP THE
03:07:32 MOMENTUM WE HAVE.
03:07:34 PLEASE VOTE AGAINST VACATING THIS ALLEY OR ANY FUTURE
03:07:37 ALLEYS WITHIN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY.
03:07:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:07:40 >> IS MY THREE MINUTES UP?
03:07:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:07:45 >> OKAY.
03:07:46 I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE CHALLENGES THAT THE
03:07:48 CITY COUNCILMEN PUT UP ABOUT ALLEYS.
03:07:52 ANY QUESTIONS?
03:07:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR
03:07:56 COMMENTS?
03:07:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES THIS NEED TO BE RECEIVED AND FILED?
03:08:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
03:08:01 FILE.
03:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO MOVED.
03:08:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO HAS A MOTION.
03:08:05 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:08:07 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:08:08 ALL RIGHT.
03:08:09 THAT'S TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DOCUMENTS, MRS. SANCHEZ.
03:08:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. SANCHEZ.
03:08:19 I WAS TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE GRAPHIC
03:08:21 THAT WAS UP A SECOND AGO.
03:08:24 CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK UP ON THE OVERHEAD?
03:08:27 IS THAT STILL UP?
03:08:28 >> THE ONES THAT ARE IN YELLOW HAVE SIGNED THE PETITION
03:08:39 AGAINST VACATING THIS ALLEY.
03:08:42 THE THREE RIGHT BEHIND THE PETITIONER AND ONE IS RIGHT
03:08:49 NEXT DOOR TO HIM.
03:08:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT NOW, THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE,
03:08:54 FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE YELLOW PROPERTIES,
03:08:59 PROPERTY OWNERS, WHO ABUT THIS ALLEY WHO RIGHT NOW HAVE
03:09:04 ACCESS TO THIS ALLEY ON THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND
03:09:09 IF THIS ALLEY IS VACATED, BECAUSE ONE OR TWO PROPERTY
03:09:13 OWNERS ASKED FOR IT, THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE REAR ACCESS
03:09:16 TO THEIR PROPERTY?
03:09:17 IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING?
03:09:18 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
03:09:19 THAT IS CORRECT.
03:09:20 AND IF YOU WILL NOTICE, THE ONES IN GREEN ARE RENTAL
03:09:22 PROPERTIES.
03:09:23 THESE ARE OLDER HOMES THAT ARE BEING SOLD, AND NEW
03:09:28 DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN, LIKE DO NINE HOMES AND WEEKLY.
03:09:31 I HAVE SPOKEN TO BOTH UPPER MANAGEMENT, AND THEY ARE
03:09:34 WORKING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE WEST TAMPA
03:09:36 OVERLAY TO HELP US REACH THIS DREAM OF LESS CARS ON OUR
03:09:41 STREET, AND MAKING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE.
03:09:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MS. SAMPSON.
03:09:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
03:09:50 IF NOT WE GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR A RESPONSE.
03:09:54 OKAY, MR. CASTALDI, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
03:10:00 >> YES. I AM PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT IS GOING BACK
03:10:03 AND FORTH IN THE ALLEY AND I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT DROVE
03:10:07 INTO THE ALLEY BECAUSE I AM SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY A JUNGLE.
03:10:15 SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CLEAN IT UP
03:10:25 THANKS SO MUCH IN ANY CASE FOR THE TIME.
03:10:28 I APPRECIATE IT.
03:10:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, I SAW YOUR HAND.
03:10:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. SANCHEZ --
03:10:44 >>> YOU PROVIDED A DOCUMENT OF WHAT YOU SHOWED ON THE
03:10:46 OVERHEAD, CORRECT?
03:10:48 THOSE ARE YOUR DOCUMENTS?
03:10:49 >> YES.
03:10:52 EVERY ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS EXCEPT MR. DINGFELDER
03:10:54 HAS A COPY OF ALL OF THIS IN FRONT OF THEM.
03:10:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
03:11:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO ASK THAT STAFF PUT UP
03:11:03 THEIR PHOTOS OF THE ALLEYWAY.
03:11:05 >>BARBARA LYNCH: I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN,
03:11:11 PLEASE.
03:11:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S PRETTY GOOD PICTURES MRS. SANCHEZ
03:11:16 HAS.
03:11:17 >>BARBARA LYNCH: I THINK WE HAVE PICTURES OF ALLEYS THAT
03:11:20 ARE CLEAN OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE CARE OF THEIR ALLEYS.
03:11:23 YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURES THE GENTLEMEN FROM THE GAS
03:11:25 COMPANY WAS WALKING THROUGH, NEEDED TO GET THROUGH, AND
03:11:29 YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE WHY THE ALLEYS, CONSTRUCTION BEING
03:11:34 BUILT, THAT PARK IN THE BACK TO HELP KEEP THEM OFF THE
03:11:37 STREET, SO THIS CAN HELP US GET BY OUR STREETS WHEN THEY
03:11:40 ARE CONSTRUCTING NEW HOMES.
03:11:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.
03:11:45 >>BARBARA LYNCH: SO THIS IS AN ALLEYWAY LAG EAST ON
03:11:52 HABANA.
03:11:52 AND THIS IS THE OTHER END LOOKING EAST ON TAMPANIA.
03:11:57 I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PICTURES.
03:11:59 >> SAMPSON: AND THIS WENT I WENT TO VILLA BROTHERS PARK
03:12:05 AND I COULD LOOK STRAIGHT DOWN THAT ALLEY.
03:12:08 IT IS OVERGROWN BUT THEY COULD DO LIKE WE DO.
03:12:10 MY STREET WE PAY $40 A MONTH TO HAVE ONE OF THE COMPANIES
03:12:13 COME AND GOP THROUGH WITH A RIDING LAWNMOWER AND KEEP IT
03:12:16 CLEAN, AFTER CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES AND CLEANS IT.
03:12:19 IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP ALLEYS CLEAN.
03:12:22 YOU JUST HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION.
03:12:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MS. SANCHEZ.
03:12:29 THANK YOU, BARBARA.
03:12:32 >>> MR. WIGGINTON?
03:12:34 >> RON WIGGINTON: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
03:12:37 FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I
03:12:40 AM NOT FOR OR AGAINST THE REQUEST TO VACATE.
03:12:42 I WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION COUNCIL OF PUTTING A LOT OF
03:12:45 WEIGHT ON THE GRAPHIC THAT WAS UP BEFORE, AS INFORMATION
03:12:53 THAT'S CONSIDERED AS HERE SAY.
03:12:55 I UNDERSTAND IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS SO THE RULES
03:12:58 OF EVIDENCE ARE A LITTLE BIT RELAXED.
03:12:59 I WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT FOR THE RECORD.
03:13:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:13:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I INQUIRE OF MR. WIGGINTON?
03:13:07 I DON'T HAVE THE MEMO FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT,
03:13:10 UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE SET-UP THAT WE HAVE, BUT THERE WAS
03:13:13 SOME BASIS FOR WHETHER COUNCIL DETERMINED, I BELIEVE,
03:13:19 WHETHER THERE'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE TO MAINTAINING THE
03:13:21 ALLEY.
03:13:22 AND THE OTHER THING THAT STRUCK ME IS I SUSPECT -- AND I
03:13:28 DON'T WANT TO TESTIFY, SO AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION MIGHT
03:13:31 BE TO ASK IF STAFF IS FAMILIAR WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE
03:13:35 OPPOSED TO IT AND WHAT IS THE LEGAL EFFECT, IF SOMEBODY
03:13:38 WHO BORDERS AN ALLEY, AND REQUEST TO VACATE, HOW IS THAT
03:13:42 HANDLED?
03:13:43 >> WIGGINTON: I AM NOT SURE OF ALL YOUR QUESTIONS BUT AS
03:13:50 FAR AS BLOCKING THE ALLEYWAY, WHILE IT'S STILL AN
03:13:52 ALLEYWAY, THAT IS A CODE VIOLATION.
03:13:56 HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY -- OFFER NECESSARILY
03:14:03 SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BECAUSE THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE
03:14:05 COULD BE NO LONGER A VIOLATION, SHOULD THE VACATION BE
03:14:07 APPROVED.
03:14:09 SO ALSO, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND REQUEST A
03:14:13 VACATING, YOU ARE AFFECTING SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPERTY
03:14:16 OWNERS THAT ARE ABUTTING TO THE ALLEYWAY.
03:14:19 SO IF ONE PERSON BLOCKED IT OFF WITH A FENCE, A BASIS FOR
03:14:25 NOT GRANTING, COULD AFFECT THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.
03:14:29 I'M SORRY, I DON'T RECALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
03:14:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:14:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
03:14:38 MS. SANCHEZ, ARE YOU STILL UP THERE?
03:14:40 >> SANCHEZ: YES, I AM HERE.
03:14:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. WIGGINTON SAID SOMETHING ABOUT I
03:14:46 THINK WE NEED TO POINT THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT IF HE WANTS
03:14:51 TO RAISE THE EVIDENTIARY STANDARD.
03:14:53 SO WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF YOUR YELLOW MARKINGS THERE?
03:15:02 PERSONAL CONVERSATION AND/OR DID YOU GET ANYTHING IN
03:15:04 WRITING?
03:15:05 DID YOU SWEAR UNDER OATH THAT IF YOU HAD THESE
03:15:07 CONVERSATIONS?
03:15:09 TELL US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT.
03:15:10 >> A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS GOT TOGETHER, AND BECAUSE THEY
03:15:13 KNEW THAT THIS VACATING OF THIS ALLEY WOULD EVENTUALLY
03:15:17 AFFECT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE PUT TOGETHER A
03:15:20 PETITION, AND LIKE I SAID, EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THE
03:15:23 PETITION, AND AT THE TOP OF IT, TELLS US EXACTLY WHAT WE
03:15:27 WERE ASKING FOR.
03:15:28 WE DID NOT ASK PEOPLE TO SWEAR TO THIS BUT LIKE YOU SAID,
03:15:34 THERE'S NO LEGAL BINDING TO THAT, BUT WE DO --
03:15:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, I MEANT DID YOU SWEAR TO IT
03:15:40 TODAY, THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE?
03:15:43 >> YES.
03:15:43 AND THAT'S WHAT WE SUBMITTED AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT
03:15:46 DOWN PHYSICALLY, BECAUSE WE TRIED TO PUT IT, TO SEND IT
03:15:49 TO YOU, BUT THE SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE DOES NOT ACCEPT THE
03:15:53 PICTURES AND DID NOT ACCEPT THE EXCEL SPREAD SHEET.
03:15:57 SO WHAT WE DID WAS PUT TOGETHER AND WE ALSO MADE SURE
03:16:00 THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WERE
03:16:02 HOMEOWNERS AND NOT RENTERS, ON THAT SHEET.
03:16:13 YOU CAN SEE --
03:16:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME CUT TO THE CHASE, SANDY.
03:16:19 I THINK YOU ARE PROBABLY AT THE SAME DISADVANTAGE I AM
03:16:22 BECAUSE YOU AND I ARE BOTH REMOTE BUT IT SOUND TO ME LIKE
03:16:26 MRS. SANCHEZ NOT ONLY PROVIDED THE YELLOW-GREEN-PINK MAP
03:16:31 BUT THAT SHE HAS SIGNATURES FROM PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED IN
03:16:37 THE YELLOW THAT SHE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL, AND THAT'S MA
03:16:40 BEEN MADE PART OF THE RECORD.
03:16:42 DON'T SEE THAT AS A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER
03:16:46 QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER WHERE PEOPLE BRING NOTES FROM THEIR
03:16:50 NEIGHBORS THAT THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE THOUGHT.
03:16:51 THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT.
03:16:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:16:54 >> WIGGINTON: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
03:16:59 I AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT.
03:17:01 MAYBE MISSED THE PART THAT THERE WERE LETTERS SIGNED BY
03:17:03 THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE OBJECTING TO IT.
03:17:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:17:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
03:17:08 IF NOT CAN WE GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
03:17:10 WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE --
03:17:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL THIS DISCUSSION,
03:17:13 IF WE COULD GIVE THE APPLICANT ONE LAST WORD.
03:17:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
03:17:17 MR. CASTALDI, ANY RESPONSE OR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO
03:17:22 SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE?
03:17:24 >> NO.
03:17:25 THANKS FOR THE TIME.
03:17:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:17:26 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM CITRO, SECOND FROM VIERA.
03:17:29 ALL IN FAVOR?
03:17:31 ALL RIGHT.
03:17:32 WE LEFT OFF WITH COUNCILMAN CITRO.
03:17:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO.
03:17:38 AND IF I MAY JUST TAKE A FEW SECONDS.
03:17:42 WE HAVE HEARD SO MANY CASES TODAY ABOUT ALLEYWAYS.
03:17:45 AND I WILL DEFER BACK TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, WITH HIS
03:17:50 STATEMENT OF CASE BY CASE BY CASE BY CASE, AND THAT HAS
03:17:57 ALWAYS BEEN MY CREED.
03:17:58 I LISTEN TO EACH CASE INDIVIDUALLY, WITHOUT ONE CASE
03:18:03 SETTING UP PRECEDENCE FOR OTHER CASES THAT MAY COME.
03:18:10 AND I FEAR, OR I HOPE, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT IN FUTURE
03:18:18 DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BY US ON CITY COUNCIL THAT WE
03:18:24 WILL REMEMBER THE WORD OF COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THAT
03:18:28 EACH CASE SHOULD BE HEARD CASE BY CASE BY CASE.
03:18:34 WITHOUT PRECEDENCE BEING SET ON ANY FUTURE CASE.
03:18:39 NOW, IN THIS, I WILL SAY THAT OUT OF 22 PETITIONERS THAT
03:18:42 WERE SIGNED, BY PETITIONS THAT MRS. SANCHEZ -- THAT I
03:18:50 HAVE BEFORE ME, 36% SAID NO, 27% WERE RENTERS, AND ONLY
03:18:56 22% SAID YES.
03:19:00 IF I AM GOING BY THAT, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THAT I
03:19:06 CAN'T SUPPORT THIS, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE THAT
03:19:12 LIVE ON THIS ALLEY THAT DON'T NECESSARILY WANT IT.
03:19:18 SO IF YOU ARE ASKING ME TO READ THIS FOR FIRST READING
03:19:22 CONSIDERATION, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS
03:19:25 TO THE SOMEBODY ELSE.
03:19:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, WOULD YOU LIKE IT?
03:19:29 >>LUIS VIERA: ONTO THE NEXT ONE, ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
03:19:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IT?
03:19:33 I SEE YOUR HAND UP.
03:19:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I
03:19:37 THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALL ASK THE QUESTION -- MY MOTION
03:19:43 CAN BE EITHER WAY. IN THIS CASE, I WILL ANSWER YOUR
03:19:45 QUESTION AND SAY YES.
03:19:47 I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME.
03:19:49 BUT I THINK -- AND MR. SHELBY CAN HELP ME IF HE WISHES --
03:19:54 SIMPLY, I BELIEVE THAT THE STANDARD THAT WE ARE FACING IS
03:19:57 WHETHER OR NOT THE VACATING IS SUPPOSED TO MEET THE
03:20:00 PUBLIC PURPOSE, AND I THINK IN THIS CASE THE TESTIMONY,
03:20:03 THE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE HEARD, MS. SANCHEZ BROUGHT US
03:20:06 EVIDENCE, NOT PART OF THE RECORD, BUT NEIGHBORHOOD
03:20:09 SIGNATURES WITH PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN PROPERTY
03:20:13 ADJACENT, AND I COUNTED IT WAS NINE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO
03:20:17 THE VACATING, I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE IT DOES NOT SATISFY
03:20:22 PUBLIC PURPOSE, SO MY MOTION IS TO DENY, AND I AM SORRY
03:20:29 TO MR. CASTALDI.
03:20:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WONDER IF MR. WIGGINTON
03:20:34 HAS A SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE CODE THAT NEEDS TO BE CITED
03:20:38 FOR DENIAL.
03:20:44 I DON'T HAVE IT.
03:20:45 >> THERE'S NO CODE THAT HAS TO BE CITED AND THIS COUNCIL
03:20:53 HAS BROAD DISCRETION TO SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
03:20:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, SIR.
03:20:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO DENY WITH
03:20:59 ALL DUE RESPECT.
03:21:01 I'M LOOKING FOR A SECOND.
03:21:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
03:21:05 DINGFELDER AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
03:21:07 ROLL CALL VOTE.
03:21:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
03:21:12 I MEAN, YES.
03:21:13 YES THANK YOU.
03:21:14 >>THE CLERK: MIRANDA?
03:21:19 MIRANDA?
03:21:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
03:21:24 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
03:21:25 YES.
03:21:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
03:21:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
03:21:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
03:21:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
03:21:36 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
03:21:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
03:21:41 WE ARE AT 3:21.
03:21:43 THE CHIEF OF STAFF WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS ASKED FOR
03:21:47 A RECESS WHILE HE GETS READY AND COMES OVER, AND WE GET
03:21:50 TO THE STAFF REPORTS.
03:21:52 WE ARE GOING TO BE IN RECESS TILL 3:30.
03:21:54 AND WE ARE GOING TO START THEN AND GO INTO THE EVENING
03:21:59 SESSION HERE.
03:22:02 >>LUIS VIERA: IS THERE NO WAY THAT WE CAN TAKE UP OTHER
03:22:04 ITEMS IN BETWEEN THEM?
03:22:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MEAN IT'S ALL STAFF REPORTS AND
03:22:07 WHATNOT.
03:22:08 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S FINE.
03:22:10 IS THERE A PULLED ITEM OR AM I WRONG?
03:22:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANOTHER PULLED ITEM, YES.
03:22:14 >>LUIS VIERA: NO, THAT'S FINE.
03:22:17 >> WE ARE GOOD.
03:22:18 WE ARE IN RECESS TILL 3:30.
03:22:21 THANK YOU.
03:22:39 [ CITY COUNCIL RECESS ]
03:22:42
03:29:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IN COUNCIL BACK
03:34:36 TO ORDER.
03:34:37 ROLL CALL.
03:34:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
03:34:43 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
03:34:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
03:34:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
03:34:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
03:34:51 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
03:34:54 >> HELLO, CHIEF BENNETT, IT'S ALL YOURS.
03:34:57 WE ARE WITH ITEM 61, ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
03:35:00 GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:35:01 >>JOHN BENNETT: WE ONLY BRING THE FANCIEST.
03:35:16 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.
03:35:18 JUST FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE ON ITEM 61, WE HAVE
03:35:21 TWO ITEMS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, AND THEN I WAS GOING TO
03:35:23 STAND BY TO FOLLOW UP WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY
03:35:27 HAVE IN REFERENCE TO THE STAFF REPORTS THAT WERE
03:35:30 DISCUSSED EARLIER.
03:35:32 I WANT TO START OUT IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT COUNCILMAN
03:35:34 GUDES HAD ASKED FOR US BACK DURING THE FY 21 BUDGET
03:35:38 ADOPTION.
03:35:43 HIS REQUEST FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK FOR A CHIEF
03:35:45 DIVERSITY OFFICER AND STAFF CAME BACK AND DISCUSSED IT
03:35:49 AND WE HAD OCEA WYNN TAKE THE LEAD WITH OTHER STAFF
03:35:53 SUPPORT AND I BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL THREE FUNCTIONAL
03:35:56 SPACES THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT.
03:35:59 THE FIRST WAS RECRUITING.
03:36:00 THE SECOND WAS TRAINING AND THE THIRD WAS ACCOUNTABILITY.
03:36:03 AND THESE THINGS SHOULD EXIST IN OUR ADMINISTRATION ON A
03:36:07 CONSISTENT BASIS.
03:36:08 SO THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS ADDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO
03:36:12 HIRE A DIVERSITY RECRUITING MEMBER TO OUR HIRING TEAM
03:36:19 WHICH IS LED BY MIKE SWAIN.
03:36:22 SO I AM HAPPY TO SAY TODAY THAT WE HAVE A GREAT PERSON ON
03:36:25 BOARD, AND I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MIKE SWAIN REAL
03:36:28 QUICK TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW HIRE WHO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED
03:36:32 ABOUT.
03:36:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
03:36:37 >> MIKE SWAIN: CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYMENT SERVICES.
03:36:43 I WILL START BY SAYING THE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR,
03:36:47 KELLY AUSTIN, SEND HER REGRETS.
03:36:49 UNFORTUNATELY SHE HAD A PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT THAT SHE WAS
03:36:51 NOT ABLE TO CHANGE, BUT SHE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO BE HERE.
03:36:56 IT IS MY PLEASURE TODAY TO INTRODUCE TO MEMBERS OF
03:37:02 COUNCIL RUGINA CASTILLO, WHO JOINS US WITH A RICH
03:37:07 BACKGROUND IN RECRUITING AND DIVERSITY.
03:37:11 SHE HAS EXPERIENCE FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
03:37:13 SHE WORKED WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOLS.
03:37:15 SHE'S WORKED WITH POLK COUNTY SCHOOLS.
03:37:18 AND HAS A STRONG DESIRE FOR THE SUCCESS OF BOTH TEACHERS
03:37:24 WHEN SHE WAS RECRUITING TEACHERS AS WELL AS WORKING WITH
03:37:27 STUDENTS.
03:37:29 KELLY AUSTIN, OCEA WYNN, BRENDA McKINSEY AND MYSELF
03:37:38 INTERVIEWED HER AND SHE STARTED OUT TO BE ONE OF 12
03:37:41 APPLICANTS THAT WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO, ENDED UP DOWN TO
03:37:45 ABOUT FOUR, BUT SHE WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND PASSIONATE
03:37:48 ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE.
03:37:51 SO PLEASE JOIN ME IN WELCOMING RUGINA CASTILLO.
03:37:55 AND I WILL GIVE HER A MOMENT TO SAY A FEW WORD.
03:37:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:37:59 WELCOME, MA'AM.
03:38:00 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
03:38:02 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:38:03 I AM VERY, VERY PASSIONATE AND EAGER TO BE HERE, EAGER TO
03:38:07 JOIN YOUR TEAM.
03:38:08 I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. BENNETT AS WELL AS
03:38:13 THE HUMAN RESOURCES TEAM AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY FOR
03:38:18 BRINGING ME ON.
03:38:23 I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THIS POSITION FOR LIKE MIKE SAID
03:38:26 FOR PROBABLY ABOUT TEN YEARS, AND I AM VERY, VERY
03:38:29 PASSIONATE ABOUT DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND INCLUSION, AND
03:38:32 MAKING SURE THAT I CONTINUE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD
03:38:36 TOWARDS THE INITIATIVE FOR THE MAYOR AND HELPING PEOPLE
03:38:41 TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
03:38:46 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
03:38:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:38:48 AND WE CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU TO THE FAMILY AND WE ARE
03:38:51 GLAD THAT YOU ARE HERE WITH US.
03:38:53 YOU ARE IN GOOD COMPANY.
03:38:54 YOU HAVE MR. SWAIN.
03:38:55 YOU HAVE JOHN BENNETT BEHIND YOU.
03:38:57 SO YOU ARE AMONG SOME OF THE BEST.
03:38:59 ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANYTHING?
03:39:01 COUNCILMAN GUDES?
03:39:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR KEEPING YOUR
03:39:05 COMMITMENT.
03:39:08 WE KNOW THE NEEDS WE DO HAVE IN THIS CITY, AND OTHER
03:39:12 DEPARTMENTS, CULTURES, IT'S VERY CRUCIAL AT THIS
03:39:15 PARTICULAR TIME IN THE NATION AND OUR CITY, AND FOLKS
03:39:21 BEING DIVERSE IN CULTURE AND UNDERSTANDING ONE ANOTHER,
03:39:27 WORKFORCE, AND ALSO A PERSON ON BOARD TO BE LOOKING AT
03:39:31 THAT, MAKING SURE WE ARE INTERVIEWING PEOPLE WHO
03:39:33 UNDERSTAND -- CERTAIN PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE
03:39:37 INTERVIEW PROCESS AND BEING ABLE WITH THEIR SPECK
03:39:40 EXPERTISE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS IN LINE TO
03:39:44 EVERYONE SO YOU GET A FAIR PROCESS ACROSS THE BOARD, AND
03:39:47 IT WILL BE A GREAT THING FOR THE CITY.
03:39:49 I JUST THINK PEOPLE ARE CULTURALLY DIVERSE AND PEOPLE
03:39:53 UNDERSTAND CULTURE OF ONE ANOTHER, WE TEND TO BE ABLE TO
03:39:57 WHAT I CALL RAISE THE PRODUCT.
03:40:02 SO THANK YOU FOR L ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN.
03:40:05 THANK YOU, MIKE SWAIN.
03:40:07 AND THANK YOU.
03:40:10 >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ALSO THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL.
03:40:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO?
03:40:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: RUGINA, WELCOME TO THE FAMILY.
03:40:21 ALL EMPLOYEES ARE FAMILY, WHETHER THEY ARE THE MAYOR OR
03:40:25 THE COUNCIL OR THE PERSON WHO PICKS UP REFUGE OR WORKS ON
03:40:30 WATER OR WHATEVER, WE ARE ALL FAMILY.
03:40:31 WELCOME TO THE FAMILY.
03:40:33 JUST ON A PERSONAL NOTE, IS CAPILLO YOUR MARRIED NAME OR
03:40:39 MAIDEN NAME?
03:40:40 >> MARRIED.
03:40:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, WELCOME TO THE FAMILY.
03:40:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. CARLSON.
03:40:45 >>BILL CARLSON: EXCITED TO SEE YOUR ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS
03:40:48 POSITION, AND THE COMMUNITY WANTED THE CITY TO HIRE YOUR
03:40:52 POSITION, SO WE ARE REALLY THANKFUL TO EVERYBODY WHO
03:40:55 HELPED FIND YOU AND PUT UP THIS POSITION.
03:40:59 I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE AT CITY COUNCIL WEAR
03:41:03 A LOT OF HATS.
03:41:04 FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AMBASSADORS OR HELPERS TO HELP YOU
03:41:09 IN THE COMMUNITY TO NAVIGATE THIS, ONE OF THE GREATEST
03:41:13 STRENGTHS OF OUR COMMUNITY IS ITS HISTORY AND RICHNESS OF
03:41:16 DIVERSITY, AND THERE'S DIVERSITY ALL OVER.
03:41:19 SOME THINK THERE'S NOT DIVERSITY IN SOUTH TAMPA BUT
03:41:22 THERE'S LOTS MUCH IT AND I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD
03:41:25 LOVE TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE THE AREAS, TOO, TO HELP FIND
03:41:29 THE BEST PEOPLE AND REPRESENT US.
03:41:31 THANK YOU.
03:41:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:41:34 ALL RIGHT.
03:41:35 JOHN BENNETT.
03:41:36 >> THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL AGAIN.
03:41:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
03:41:39 >>JOHN BENNETT: THANK YOU, MR. SWAIN.
03:41:47 AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, COUNCIL, FOR THIS
03:41:50 QUICK AGENDA ITEM, AND AGAIN APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT
03:41:54 AND THE MAYOR'S SUPPORT OF HIRING THIS NEW POSITION TO
03:41:57 MAKE OUR CITY GREAT AND DIVERSIFIED WORKFORCE.
03:42:01 SECONDLY, AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL, AND I THINK WE HAVE
03:42:05 FORGONE A FEW OF THESE BECAUSE OF TIMING, BUT I THINK
03:42:08 IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE A COVID UPDATE, AND I WILL BE
03:42:11 JOINED BY CHIEF TRIPP HERE IN A MOMENT BUT I WILL KICK IT
03:42:14 OFF.
03:42:15 FIRST, EVERY MORNING, I USE A REALLY QUICK METHODOLOGY TO
03:42:20 COMPARE OUR COUNTY WITH THE URBANIZED COUNTIES, THE
03:42:24 CONTIGUOUS COMMUTER COUNTIES AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO
03:42:26 SEE HOW WE ARE PROGRESSING.
03:42:28 AND I AM PROUD TO SAY WITH ALL THE HARD WORK AND TAKING
03:42:30 CARE OF THE SMALL DETAILS OF WEARING MASKS, SANITIZING
03:42:34 AND WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC, THROUGH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS,
03:42:37 THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE NOW DECLINING STEADILY FROM WHAT WE
03:42:41 WOULD HAVE SEEN AS A HIGH TOWARDS THE FALL, NOW AFTER ALL
03:42:45 THESE SPECIAL EVENTS WE ARE STILL IN THE 6 PERCENTILE
03:42:49 WHICH WE HAVEN'T SEEN SINCE THE END OF OCTOBER.
03:42:51 WHEN WE LOOK INTERNALLY, YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT ON OUR
03:42:56 EMPLOYEES.
03:42:57 YOU KNOW, THIS BUDGET GOT ADOPTED WITH 4,667 EMPLOYEES.
03:43:02 THAT LAST NUMBER WAS ACTUALLY THE POSITION THAT WE JUST
03:43:05 CELEBRATED.
03:43:07 WE HAVE 569 POSITIVE TESTS WITHIN OUR EMPLOYEE TEAM.
03:43:11 WE HAVE 3824 QUARANTINES OVER THIS SPAN OF COVID, WHICH
03:43:16 AMOUNTS TO 4,393 EMPLOYEES OF OUR 4,667.
03:43:22 THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT 94% OF OUR WORKFORCE HAS BEEN
03:43:26 TOUCHED BY COVID, NOT TO MENTION THE RIPPLE EFFECTS IN
03:43:29 THEIR FAMILY UNIT AND FRIENDS.
03:43:32 30% OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE PUBLIC SAFETY TEAMS AND 70% OF
03:43:36 THOSE NUMBERS HAVE RESIDED IN OUR GENERAL WORKFORCE.
03:43:39 SO TO SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING THROUGH THE MAYOR'S
03:43:42 LEADERSHIP AND COUNCIL'S SUPPORT AND EFFORTS, TRYING TO
03:43:50 KEEP THE CITY'S LIVELIHOODS GOING, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.
03:43:54 BUT WE AGAIN APPRECIATE WORKING TOGETHER TO GET THIS
03:43:57 DONE.
03:43:59 I BELIEVE CHIEF TRIPP IS ON THE LINE.
03:44:01 I AM GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO HER TO TALK ABOUT THE
03:44:03 VACCINE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN FOCUSED UPON IN THE CITY, IN
03:44:07 PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND OF
03:44:10 COURSE THE STATE AND FEDERAL PROGRAMS.
03:44:12 CHIEF TRIPP, ARE YOU AROUND?
03:44:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SEE CHIEF TRIPP ON THE LINE.
03:44:16 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
03:44:23 PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
03:44:25 IT WAS ON AND THEN IT CLICKED OFF.
03:44:36 >>CHIEF TRIPP: [OFF MICROPHONE] AS WE MONITOR THE
03:44:41 COVID-19 CASES, AND THE ISSUES OF COVID SITUATIONS, THE
03:44:46 REPORTS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AS CHIEF BENNETT STATED.
03:44:49 TO DATE WE HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT 260 REPORTS SINCE MARCH OF
03:44:53 2020, AND TOTAL CASES THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED HAVE BEEN
03:44:58 112,267 IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WHERE THE CITY OF TAMPA
03:45:03 IS 65,000.
03:45:04 SO STATE WIDE 7-DAY AVERAGE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IN
03:45:09 THAT 6.6, A DOWN TREND IN THE CITY OF COVID IN OUR
03:45:16 COMMUNITY.
03:45:16 THERE ARE RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM AND THE GREYHOUND TRACK.
03:45:25 RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM IS ALLOTTED TO DISTRIBUTE 2,000
03:45:28 VACCINES A DAY.
03:45:30 YESTERDAY RAYMOND JAMES ADMINISTERED 2600 SHOTS.
03:45:34 THE HOURS OF OPERATION IS FROM 8 A.M. TO 1600 HOURS.
03:45:39 THE VACCINE SITE TO THE THIS WEEK WHICH IS THE ONE AT THE
03:45:43 GREYHOUND TRACK CENTER, THEY SHOULD BE ADMINISTERING
03:45:46 ABOUT 3,000 PER DAY.
03:45:49 THEIR HOURS FROM 7 A.M. TO 7 P.M.
03:45:51 AND RAYMOND JAMES MANDATORY, APPOINTMENT FOR GREYHOUND
03:45:56 ARE WALK-UPS.
03:45:58 SO DRIVE-UP RESIDENTS CAN COME TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR
03:46:01 TRANSPORTATION WITH TRANSPORTATION.
03:46:05 THERE ARE ADDITIONAL VACCINE SITES ONGOING THROUGHOUT THE
03:46:08 VARIOUS COMMUNITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND STAY SAFE
03:46:13 ORGANIZATIONS TO ENSURE OUR VULNERABLE RESIDENTS ARE
03:46:16 PROTECTED.
03:46:18 MAYOR CASTOR ALSO ASSISTING WITH THE STAY SAFE EVENT
03:46:23 MARCH 13th IN EAST TAMPA.
03:46:26 SO WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE MAYOR'S
03:46:29 OFFICE, PARKS AND REC, GIVE UP TWO ADDITIONAL SITES,
03:46:35 REGAN PARK, AND TO ADMINISTER THE VACCINE, THE MEDICATION
03:46:40 BECOMES AVAILABLE.
03:46:41 THERE ARE TWO OTHER LOCATIONS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR
03:46:43 OUR RESIDENTS, THAT FALL INTO SPECIALIZED ORDERS, THE
03:46:49 SPORTS COMPLEX AND ADDISON SPORTS COMPLEX.
03:46:54 AND AT THOSE SITES FOR HEALTH CARE WORKERS, EMPLOYEES 50
03:47:02 AND OLDER AS WELL AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIREFIGHTERS.
03:47:06 THAT END MY REPORT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
03:47:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
03:47:09 CHIEF?
03:47:11 NO?
03:47:12 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
03:47:12 WE APPRECIATE YOU AND ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
03:47:14 THANK YOU.
03:47:16 ANYTHING ELSE, CHIEF BENNETT, ON THAT END?
03:47:18 >>JOHN BENNETT: NO, NOT ON THE COVID END.
03:47:22 I DID WANT TO STAND BY.
03:47:23 I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED IN THE OPENING
03:47:25 COMMENTS ABOUT THE TIMING OF STAFF REPORTS, AND JUST
03:47:29 WANTED TO STAND BY TO EITHER COMMENT ON THAT OR ANSWER
03:47:32 ANY QUESTIONS.
03:47:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
03:47:37 >>BILL CARLSON: I TALKED TO CHIEF BENNETT BRIEFLY DURING
03:47:40 LUNCH BUT HE WAS EXPLAINING TO ME, DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT TO
03:47:43 ALL OF US, BUT MY REQUESTS IF HE CAN GET THE MIKE AGAIN,
03:47:46 EARLIER WE GET THEM THE BETTER, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF
03:47:50 DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEED TO READ EVERY WEAK, AND THEY ARE
03:47:53 CONSTANTLY CHANGING, THEN COUNTY TAKE THREE TIMES AS
03:47:56 LONG.
03:47:57 SO THE SOONER WE GET IT THE BETTER.
03:48:00 I THINK THERE ARE SOME RULES THAT COUNCIL PASSED ON IT.
03:48:02 THANK YOU.
03:48:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN
03:48:05 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
03:48:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT FOR BRINGING
03:48:10 THIS COVID REPORT.
03:48:12 IT HAS BEEN A LITTLE WHILE BUT WE APPRECIATE THE UPDATES
03:48:14 FROM YOU AND THE CHIEF.
03:48:16 I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE FACT THAT
03:48:23 OUR NUMBERS WENT FROM PROBABLY IN THE 9 OR 10% RANGE OF
03:48:29 POSITIVE TESTING AND NOW WE ARE DOWN TOWARDS 6 AND WE
03:48:31 NEED TO GO LOWER, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD NUMBER.
03:48:34 BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE AVERAGE COUNTYWIDE IS
03:48:38 STILL 308 NEW CASES PER DAY, AND THAT NUMBER AS I RECALL,
03:48:48 OUR GOAL WAS SOMETHING LIKE A HUNDRED NEW CASES A DAY.
03:48:51 SO THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TRANSMITTAL GOING ON.
03:48:54 THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE REMIND EVERYBODY IN A
03:48:58 VARIETY OF WAYS, INCLUDING OUR ENFORCEMENT CASES,
03:49:02 EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WEAR A MASK ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE
03:49:06 INDOORS AND WE NEED TO ABIDE BY THE STATE MANDATE, FOR
03:49:11 COUNTY AND LOCAL MANDATES.
03:49:14 SO LET'S NOT GET IN A COMFORT ZONE TOO QUICKLY.
03:49:18 THERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS LOCALLY, BUT WE STILL NEED TO BE
03:49:23 VERY, VERY CAREFUL.
03:49:25 WE ARE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS.
03:49:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN
03:49:28 MIRANDA.
03:49:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE THE CHIEF LEAVES.
03:49:32 I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S HERE FOR JUST THIS ONE ITEM.
03:49:34 BUT WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT COME OUT
03:49:37 IN THE 9th HOUR, ANSWERS FROM THIS COUNCIL WHEN YOU
03:49:43 SEND THEM OUT, AND WE ARE GETTING A CALL THREE OR FOUR
03:49:47 DAYS PRIOR TO BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL ON THURSDAY,
03:49:53 SOMETIMES MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON,
03:49:56 AND I HAVE GOT SOME CALLS, AND I THINK SOME OF THESE
03:50:02 RESOLUTIONS NEED TO COME OUT A LITTLE BIT SOONER THAN
03:50:06 LATER SO WE CAN BE ABLE TO REALLY READ AND ASK QUESTIONS
03:50:11 VERSUS BEING RUSHED.
03:50:12 A LOT OF THINGS ARE RUSHED SOMETIMES.
03:50:13 SO I JUST HOPE WE CAN GET THERE AT NIGHT.
03:50:16 EVERYTHING IS RUSHED SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO
03:50:18 LOOK AT IT.
03:50:19 BUT THESE OTHER TIMES UNDERSTANDING IT WHEN THE COMMUNITY
03:50:23 HAS QUESTIONS, I SAY I JUST GOT IT.
03:50:28 SO JUST AN FYI.
03:50:30 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
03:50:33 I GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
03:50:35 I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND THE SUPPORT THAT WE ARE NOT
03:50:37 OUT OF THE WOODS YET.
03:50:38 JUST TO HIGHLIGHT REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE
03:50:41 MAYOR HAS CHALLENGED US TO DO IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON THIS
03:50:44 UPCOMING SPRING BREAK.
03:50:46 THE DAYS BETWEEN MARCH 15th AND I THINK THROUGH THE
03:50:48 END OF MARCH, OR MARCH 26 ARE REALLY GOING TO BE AN
03:50:52 OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR LOCAL SCHOOLS AND OUR TOURISM TO
03:50:56 CHANGE THOSE NUMBERS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, SO WE REALLY
03:50:59 NEED TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE, AS THEY
03:51:02 MENTIONED THAT THOSE TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE, IF WE STICK
03:51:05 TO THOSE BEST PRACTICES, WE CAN KEEP GOING IN THE RIGHT
03:51:07 WAY.
03:51:08 NOW TO COUNCILMAN GUDES POINT, AND AGAIN SUPPORTING
03:51:10 COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S REQUEST, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT
03:51:14 HERE 18 MONTHS AGO, AS THE AGENDA GOES FROM DRAFT TO
03:51:17 FINAL, WHEN WE WERE MORE IN PERSON AND WE HAD OFFICE
03:51:20 SPACE, THAT I WAS SETTING UP CAMP IN YOUR CONFERENCE ROOM
03:51:24 AHEAD OF THE AGENDA, AND THE GOAL WAS TO ALLOW YOU OR
03:51:27 YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE TO COME IN AND ASK DETAILED
03:51:30 QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY AGENDA ITEM, AND THEN I WOULD REACH
03:51:34 OUT TO THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, AND WE TRY AND GET
03:51:37 SOME OF THOSE ANSWERS OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE THE AGENDA
03:51:40 COMES THROUGH.
03:51:41 WE AS THE STAFF, WE TRY AND GET EVERYTHING TO THE CLERK
03:51:44 BY THURSDAY AT 2:00, WHICH IS ALL THE WAY TO THE MAYOR,
03:51:48 THEN THE DRAFT AGENDA COMES OUT BETWEEN FRIDAY AND
03:51:50 SATURDAY.
03:51:51 SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK IT OVER THE WEEKEND
03:51:54 AND THEN TYPICALLY MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY AHEAD OF
03:51:56 THURSDAY, WE DO SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES BY ADDING
03:52:01 PRESENTATIONS OR HIGHLIGHTING MEMOS FOR ADDITIONAL
03:52:03 TRANSPARENCY AND EFFICIENCY.
03:52:05 I WILL SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF PROJECTS BETWEEN
03:52:07 THE HOLIDAY AND NOW WITH COVID THAT HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY
03:52:10 COMPRESSED, BUT STILL NEED TO GO FORWARD AS MUCH AS
03:52:14 POSSIBLE TO KEEP CITY BUSINESS AND ALL OF OUR STRATEGIC
03:52:16 PLANS GOING FORWARD.
03:52:18 SO I ACTUALLY ISSUED A MEMO RIGHT AFTER THE HOLIDAY TO
03:52:21 OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM ABOUT THE COUNCIL RULES AND THE TAMING
03:52:25 OF THE MATERIALS.
03:52:26 SO WE HAVE A MEETING EVERY MONDAY AT 3:30.
03:52:30 IT'S TYPICALLY A TOPIC THAT COMES UP FREQUENTLY TO MAKE
03:52:33 SURE THAT WE GET AS MUCH INFORMATION OUT TO YOU AND TO
03:52:36 THE PUBLIC AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
03:52:37 SO POINT WELL TAKEN.
03:52:39 AND I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
03:52:40 >> COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, SIR.
03:52:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO JUST THANK CHIEF TRIPP FOR
03:52:46 WHAT SHE MENTIONED ABOUT THE DOG TRACK.
03:52:49 HOWEVER, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOG TRACK IS NOT
03:52:51 THE ONE IN ST. PETE BUT THE ONE IN TAMPA WHICH IS ON
03:52:56 3rd, YUKON TO THE NORTH, NEBRASKA TO THE EAST AND 275
03:53:00 TO THE WEST.
03:53:01 AND YOU CAN'T MISS IT.
03:53:02 THEY HAVE ABOUT 3 OR 4 THE TENTHS, THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL
03:53:07 FIELD.
03:53:08 SO LET'S GET IN LINE AND GET IT DONE.
03:53:10 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:53:12 >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT'S CORRECT.
03:53:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:53:15 ANYBODY ELSE?
03:53:16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
03:53:18 >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL SEE YOU A FEW AGENDA ITEMS LATER.
03:53:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT FOR ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
03:53:24 NEXT IS 62 AND 63 GO TOGETHER.
03:53:27 $6.2 MILLION.
03:53:31 WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT?
03:53:33 MR. ROGERO? IS MR. RUGGERIO GOING TO BE ON THE LINE AS
03:53:36 WELL OR JUST YOU?
03:53:37 >> I AM HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY CAM ROOM BUT I AM ON THE
03:53:48 LINE.
03:53:51 IF THE CLERK COULD PUT UP THE FIRST SLIDE AND LET ME KNOW
03:53:54 WHEN IT'S UP.
03:53:56 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, JUST TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE THAT
03:53:59 I HAVE TO LEAVE HERE BY 6 P.M. THIS EVENING.
03:54:01 SO JUST IN CASE WE RUN UNTIL THEN.
03:54:06 THAT'S A NICE DIPLOMATIC VIERA GESTURE BUT I DO NEED TO
03:54:11 LEAF BY 6 P.M. THAT MY SON HAS A SCHOOL EVENT THAT I HAVE
03:54:15 I GAVE MY WORD I WOULD GO TO.
03:54:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM FREE UNTIL 3:00 TOMORROW
03:54:23 MORNING.
03:54:27 I SEE THE WELCOME SCREEN UP.
03:54:29 >> SO THIS IS FOR $6.2 MILLION FOR A PROJECT AT 2515 EAST
03:54:33 HANNA.
03:54:36 THAT SPECIFICALLY IS FOR FINAL DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE
03:54:39 AND ALSO DEMOLITION OF THE ABANDONED WAREHOUSE THAT'S ON
03:54:43 THE 13 ACRES OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE WANT TO TURN INTO A
03:54:48 CITY CENTER.
03:54:50 LET ME DETAIL FIRST -- I AM GOING TO DETAIL SOME OTHER
03:54:53 PROJECTS THAT KIND OF COINCIDE WITH THIS.
03:54:55 BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
03:54:56 THIS IS THE FIRST MAJOR REORGANIZATION OF CITY
03:55:01 FACILITIES, AND THIS 2515 IS LIKE THE CENTER PEACE OF THE
03:55:08 PROJECT.
03:55:08 SO AT THIS PROJECT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A THREE-STORY
03:55:11 STRUCTURE WITH A PARKING GARAGE.
03:55:12 IT'S GOING TO HAVE A FLEET HEADQUARTERS ON-SITE, AND THEN
03:55:16 ALSO AN SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE.
03:55:21 SO WHAT'S GOING TO BE HOUSED HERE?
03:55:25 CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO BE HOUSED THERE.
03:55:28 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, BUS
03:55:32 DEVELOPMENT, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, INFORMATION
03:55:35 TECHNOLOGY.
03:55:40 SO WITH THIS COMING ONLINE -- AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
03:55:44 WE ARE ON AN VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE.
03:55:46 TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
03:55:48 WE NEED TO BE DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION IN MARCH OF 2023.
03:55:52 SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT'S COMING OFFLINE?
03:55:58 RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE COMING OFFLINE SUCH AS CONSTRUCTION
03:56:02 SERVICE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED ON NORTH
03:56:04 BOULEVARD.
03:56:06 THAT WILL GET OUT OF THAT LEASE.
03:56:08 THERE'S A BUILDING ON LEMON STREET THAT WE LEASE FROM
03:56:11 FDOT BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A MONETARY BIG HIT, BUT THE
03:56:18 PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IN APRIL OF '23 THAT BUILDING IS
03:56:21 SLATED FOR DEMOLITION.
03:56:23 SO THAT'S WHY THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING A TIMELINE, AND
03:56:28 THEN PUTTING THE CITY CENTER UP ON EAST HANNA.
03:56:32 SO LET ME JUST DETAIL SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE
03:56:36 ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, AND THEN I WILL TAY IT IN AND HAND
03:56:39 IT OVER TO DENNIS.
03:56:42 LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO NORTH FRANKLIN STREET,
03:56:45 WHICH IS THE CURRENT POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
03:56:49 THAT BUILDING IS PROBABLY CLOSE TO 60 YEARS OLD, AND IT'S
03:56:57 IN NEED OF DIRE REPAIR, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF REPAIR,
03:57:00 AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S PAST ITS LIVE SPAN.
03:57:05 SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO?
03:57:06 WE WANT TO PUT THAT BUILDING UP FOR SALE, AND WE HAD IT
03:57:11 APPRAISED SO WE KNOW WHAT IT'S WORTH, AND WE WOULD LIKE
03:57:16 TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
03:57:17 BUT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS, IF WE SELL IT, WE WOULD
03:57:22 WANT TO LEASE IT BACK UNTIL WE BUILD A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY
03:57:26 BUILDING UP ON EAST HANNA, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT THE
03:57:34 DIAGRAM, IT'S TWO CONCEPTS.
03:57:36 THE ONE WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THE SEVENTH CITY
03:57:38 CENTER, AND THE ONE EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, A PUBLIC
03:57:43 SAFETY CENTER.
03:57:44 NOW WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THAT PUBLIC SAFETY CENTER
03:57:46 BUILDING?
03:57:48 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
03:57:50 SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO?
03:57:52 WELL, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN NEGOTIATION WAS THE COUNTY FOR
03:57:56 A LAND SWAP.
03:57:58 WHAT WE WOULD DO IS, THEY WANT TO BUILD ON THE NORTH END
03:58:01 OF FRANKLIN STREET THAT THEY CURRENTLY LEASE FROM THE
03:58:04 CITY.
03:58:05 THEY WANT THAT BUILDING IN EXCHANGE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
03:58:08 SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
03:58:10 WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH THE SWAP.
03:58:13 AND THAT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
03:58:16 SO WHAT'S THE RESULT?
03:58:17 THE RESULT WILL BE A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AT THE
03:58:22 2700 BLOCK OF EAST HANNA.
03:58:24 SO WHAT WILL BE HOUSED THERE?
03:58:26 CURRENTLY, EVERYTHING THAT HEADQUARTERS, TPD, 411 NORTH
03:58:33 FRANKLIN WOULD BE HOUSED AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING ON
03:58:37 EAST HANNA.
03:58:38 WHAT ELSE WOULD BE HOUSED THERE?
03:58:40 WE ARE ALSO DESIGNING EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, AND WE
03:58:47 WILL GO INSIDE THIS BUILDING.
03:58:49 WAND WOULD THAT DO?
03:58:50 THAT WOULD FREE UP ANOTHER LEASE.
03:58:52 CURRENTLY, THE CITY LEASES THE GT FEDERAL CREDIT UNION ON
03:58:58 NORTH NEBRASKA.
03:58:59 THAT WILL FREE US OUT OF THAT LEASE. AND WHAT WILL THAT
03:59:02 MEAN?
03:59:04 THAT DURING THE FINANCE PORTION OF THIS CONSTRUCTION, WE
03:59:07 CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT SOME GRANTS COINCIDING.
03:59:15 LET ME DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION NOW TO 4010 WEST SPRUCE
03:59:19 STREET.
03:59:20 THAT'S CURRENTLY WHERE SOLID WASTE IS HOUSED, FLEET
03:59:26 MAINTENANCE IS HOUSED, AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE.
03:59:29 SO WATCH DO WE WANT TO THE DO THERE?
03:59:31 WE 2021 VACATE THAT PROPERTY.
03:59:33 SO LET ME START WITH FLEET.
03:59:35 WE WANT TO EXTRACT FLEET FROM THAT LOCATION, AND WE WANT
03:59:40 TO GO INTO A SITUATION OF TODAY HE CENTRALIZATION WHERE
03:59:44 WE PUT SUBSTATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY THAT FOR
03:59:52 THE VARIOUS SAFETY DIVISIONS, WHERE VEHICLES ARE QUICKLY
03:59:55 MAINTAINED, WITHOUT A LOT OF LOSS OF TIME.
04:00:00 SO LET ME DETAIL WHERE WE WANT TO PUT THE SUBSTATION.
04:00:04 ONE WILL BE ON THE CORNER TAMPA, ONE ON 26th AVENUE
04:00:09 WEST OF ORCHID STREET.
04:00:13 ONE SOLID WASTE.
04:00:14 AND THE CURRENT SOLID WASTE HEADQUARTERS, WE ARE GOING TO
04:00:18 EXTRACT THAT FROM SPRUCE STREET AND WE WANT TO PUT IT ON
04:00:22 24 MR-34th STREET NEXT TO THE WASTE PLANT.
04:00:28 ONCE WE DO THAT IT WILL HAVE ITS OWN FLEET MAINTENANCE.
04:00:31 WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE NEXT IS A TPD LOT.
04:00:39 SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO?
04:00:41 WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR PROPERTY, AND WE ARE IN
04:00:45 NEGOTIATIONS TO BUY A PROPERTY ON HOWARD AVENUE SOUTH OF
04:00:47 HILLSBOROUGH, WHERE WE WOULD RELOCATE THE TPD CAR LOT AND
04:00:55 ALSO FREE UP ANOTHER WAREHOUSE SPACE AT THAT FACILITY.
04:01:02 SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOLID WASTE AND FACILITIES, OFF
04:01:11 OF SPRUCE STREET, WHAT DOES THAT MANY?
04:01:13 WELL THAT MEANS THAT THE CITY NOW HAS AVAILABLE 17 ACRES
04:01:16 OF DEVELOPABLE LAND IN CARVER CITY AND LINCOLN GARDENS.
04:01:25 WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO THEN IS HAVE IT DEVELOPED, OR
04:01:28 SOME SORT OF MIXED USE, OR WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY,
04:01:34 WHAT WOULD BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR THAT AREA.
04:01:37 SO LET ME JUST SAY THAT -- LET ME POINT OUT ONE THING
04:01:43 BEFORE I CLOSE OUT.
04:01:44 IF YOU LOOK IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, THE CONCEPT, YOU
04:01:47 WILL SEE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT,
04:01:50 BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE THERE'S GOING TO
04:01:53 BE MASS TRANSIT THAT INVOLVES RAIL.
04:01:55 BUT THAT RAIL WOULD BE USABLE IN THAT CONCEPT.
04:01:58 ALSO, ON HANNA, RIGHT ACROSS FROM OUR CITY BUILDING, IS A
04:02:05 BUS LINE.
04:02:06 SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
04:02:09 WELL, WE THINK IT ESTABLISHES THE GOALS THE MAYOR
04:02:14 PROJECTED TO BRING GOVERNMENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:02:16 THAT'S FAR MOST AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
04:02:18 YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE ARE
04:02:22 MAKING $100 MILLION INVESTMENT FOR BUILDINGS WITHIN EAST
04:02:28 TAMPA, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT
04:02:31 AREA, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
04:02:34 WE THINK WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THERE AND THE CENTRAL
04:02:41 SERVICES THAT IT WILL BE A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH US AND THE
04:02:44 NEIGHBORHOOD.
04:02:46 ECONOMICALLY AND ALSO PROVIDING GREAT SERVICES FOR THE
04:02:50 CITIZENS OF TAMPA.
04:02:51 SO WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER TO DENNIS TO TALK ABOUT
04:02:54 THE FINANCIAL ISSUES.
04:02:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. ROGERO, GO AHEAD.
04:02:59 >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SAL.
04:03:02 AND HELLO EVERYONE.
04:03:03 THIS IS DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.
04:03:07 AS WE SHARED WITH YOU IN THE BRIEFINGS, COUNCIL, THIS IS
04:03:11 6.2 MILLION ITEM IS TO BE AN INITIAL INVESTMENT IN A
04:03:16 LARGER SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT YOU JUST HEARD SAL
04:03:19 REFERENCE.
04:03:21 IT'S LIKE 100 MILLION, AND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IS GOING
04:03:24 TO REQUIRE DEBT SERVICE AT SOME POINT.
04:03:27 LIKELY A BOND.
04:03:28 FORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF WAYS WE CAN MITIGATE THE
04:03:31 COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEBT, AS WE TOLD YOU, AS YOU
04:03:35 HEARD MR. RUGERRIO SAY, FIRST AND PROBABLY FAR MOST
04:03:40 METHOD IS GOING TO BE REFUSE NEWS FROM THE LAND SALE, THE
04:03:43 SALE OF THE SPRUCE STREET PROPERTIES, THE SALE OF THE
04:03:45 DOWNTOWN POLICE HEADQUARTERS, IT'S GOING TO BE
04:03:48 SIGNIFICANT, IT'S GOING TO BE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS,
04:03:50 POSSIBLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
04:03:53 AND THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE PART OF THOSE
04:03:58 PROCEEDS TO GO AGAINST THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
04:04:01 SERIES OF PROJECTS.
04:04:03 ANOTHER VERY SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY IS NOT SPENDING A
04:04:08 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING.
04:04:09 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND, MAINTAIN AND REHAB THE
04:04:14 POLICE HEADQUARTERS IN DOWNTOWN.
04:04:16 AS WE SHARED WITH YOU, WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO COME TO
04:04:19 APPROXIMATELY $35 MILLION.
04:04:22 A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE.
04:04:24 AND AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON POINTED OUT IN OUR BRIEFINGS,
04:04:28 THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATED.
04:04:30 THAT $35 MILLION IS NOT IN THE BUDGET.
04:04:34 SO WE CAN'T SIMPLY TRANSFER IT.
04:04:37 IT'S MORE OF A COST AVOIDANCE AS WE GO INTO THE FUTURE.
04:04:41 THE BOTTOM LINE ON THE APPLICATION HEADQUARTERS, IF WE
04:04:43 STAY THERE, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT EXPENSES COMING.
04:04:47 FINALLY, AS YOU HEARD MR. RUGERRIO SAID, WE ARE GOING TO
04:04:51 AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE ANY AVAILABLE GRANT FUNDING.
04:04:54 YOU WON'T REITERATE ATTACH THE UNQUANTIFIABLE BENEFITS
04:04:57 THAT WE REFERENCED, THE EQUITY ASSOCIATED WITH PUTTING
04:05:01 THESE SERVICES IN A HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED AREA, THE
04:05:06 POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT THESE PROJECTS WILL BRING
04:05:10 IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
04:05:11 AND OF COURSE THE EFFICIENCIES AND EFFECTIVENESS THAT WE
04:05:15 GET WITH CONSOLIDATION AND CENTRALIZATION.
04:05:19 SO TAMPA PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE IN A VACUUM.
04:05:23 WE'LL INCORPORATE THESE INTO OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND
04:05:25 INCLUDE THEM IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
04:05:28 AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
04:05:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:05:31 BEFORE I GO TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, REAL QUICK, I THINK THIS
04:05:34 IS A FANTASTIC PLAN FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
04:05:39 FIRST, PRIME REAL ESTATE ON SPRUCE, YOU SAID 17 ACRES,
04:05:44 THAT IS CITY-OWNED.
04:05:46 I DON'T NOBODY WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT LAND IS.
04:05:48 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA, ANYTHING
04:05:52 FROM THE SHOPPING MALL TO THE APARTMENTS TO RESTAURANTS
04:05:56 TO WHATEVER IT IS, IN BETWEEN LOIS AND DALE MABRY AND
04:05:59 WHATNOT.
04:06:00 UTILIZING THAT AND MAXIMIZING THAT FINANCIALLY FOR THE
04:06:04 BENEFIT OF THE CITY, WHICH IN TURN WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO
04:06:06 THE COMMUNITY IS GREAT.
04:06:08 WE LOCATING SOME OF THOSE SERVICES TO OTHER PARTS OF THE
04:06:10 CITY AS YOU MENTIONED, LOOKING AT HANNA AND RELOCATING
04:06:15 CODE ENFORCEMENT.
04:06:16 CODE ENFORCEMENT NOW IS HOUSED IN BUSINESS OVER ON LEMON
04:06:21 STREET, KIND OF TUCKED AWAY AND HIDDEN AWAY.
04:06:23 USED TO BE ON NEBRASKA AVENUE IN THE GERMAN AMERICAN
04:06:26 CLUB, MORE ACCESSIBLE AND WHATNOT.
04:06:28 BUT BASICALLY BUILDING A ONE-STOP SHOP IN AN AREA OF THE
04:06:32 CITY WHERE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE HOPEFULLY PROJECTS LIKE
04:06:37 THIS THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
04:06:40 THE BIG BLUE BUILDING, THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, HERE IN
04:06:46 DOWNTOWN.
04:06:47 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF AN ENTIRE CITY BLOCK.
04:06:51 IT HAS A PARKING GARAGE.
04:06:52 IT'S NEWER.
04:06:53 ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING.
04:06:54 MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WHOMEVER WOULD BUY THAT BUILDING
04:06:58 SINCE IT'S NOW 60 YEARS OLD AND TECHNICALLY HISTORICAL
04:07:01 THAT THEY WOULD PERHAPS REPURPOSE IT FOR AFFORDABLE
04:07:04 HOUSING OR SOME KIND OF HOUSING FOR DOWNTOWN, WITH
04:07:07 COMMERCIAL USE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
04:07:09 THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
04:07:11 BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED CSX TRACKS, AND THAT TOUCHING THE
04:07:19 PROPERTY OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH POTENTIAL LIGHT RAIL IN
04:07:22 THE FUTURE.
04:07:23 SO I LIKE WHERE THIS HAS GONE AND I LIKE WHAT THE
04:07:29 ADMINISTRATION IS PROPOSING AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE
04:07:31 HAVE SO MUCH HOT REAL ESTATE OF THAT WE OWN THAT COULD
04:07:35 HELP GENERATE, AS YOU SAID, POSSIBLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF
04:07:38 DOLLARS, AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I SEE YOUR HAND UP, SIR.
04:07:45 AND THEN VIERA.
04:07:45 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN.
04:07:49 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID UP TILL NOW, AND I
04:07:51 AGREE WITH MOST OF IT.
04:07:53 HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SATISFACTION OF MINE, OF
04:07:57 MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES, BUT ESPECIALLY ALL THE
04:08:00 TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
04:08:01 WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I'M SURE THAT YOU
04:08:04 HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THE LAND ITSELF IS WORTH ON
04:08:08 SPRUCE, THE POLICE STATION, AND OTHER PROPERTIES THAT YOU
04:08:12 MAY HAVE TO DEVELOP A MOVE TO HANNA.
04:08:15 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO
04:08:21 RECEIVE THE COST TO MOVE, WHAT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS,
04:08:29 THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ESTIMATE OF WHAT YOU THINK
04:08:32 THAT THE PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO SELL FOR, AND HOW MUCH
04:08:35 SAVINGS.
04:08:37 I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO YOU IN GENERALITIES, BUT I KNOW ONE
04:08:41 LITTLE AREA, IN TALKING TO THE ADMINISTRATION, THIS AND
04:08:44 OTHER ADMINISTRATIONS FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, IS THAT
04:08:47 IT'S ABOUT $14,842 A MONTH.
04:08:52 THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT MUCH FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE
04:08:55 RENTING.
04:08:55 IF YOU MULTIPLY IT TIMES 12, IT'S $178,116, AND YOU
04:09:00 MULTIPLY THAT BY THE 20 YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN RENTING,
04:09:04 THAT'S A COOL 3 POINT 5624 THREE TWO THOUSAND.
04:09:11 SO HERE IS WHERE I AM SAVING, GOING IN, 178,116 A YEAR,
04:09:20 SO A DEBT SERVICE OF SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED, AND WILL
04:09:23 HELP THE AREA ON SPRUCE AND SOME PROPERTY INCREASE IN
04:09:28 THAT AREA.
04:09:29 SO I LIKE TO COMPARE NUMBERS.
04:09:30 I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY, AND SAYING IT
04:09:34 FOR LONG RANGE.
04:09:34 I WANT TO SEE A NUMBER OF SPECIFICS, AND THIS IS GOING TO
04:09:38 COST SO MUCH, AND HAVE SO MUCH COMING OUT.
04:09:40 HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT I NEED TO BALANCE AT THE TOP.
04:09:43 THAT'S WHAT I NEED.
04:09:49 [NO ENCODER]
04:10:10 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:10:12 I APPRECIATE THAT.
04:10:13 YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT WAS, YESTERDAY,
04:10:16 AND THE ONE ITEM THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND I WILL JUST BRING
04:10:20 UP PUBLICLY, AND THIS IS SMALL BUT AGAIN IT'S NOT, IS THE
04:10:24 WONDERFUL TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT MUSEUM THAT WE HAVE.
04:10:26 I ALWAYS LOVED THAT MUSEUM.
04:10:28 I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY NICE.
04:10:30 AND I WOULD JUST REQUEST THAT YOU ALL MAKE SURE, YOU
04:10:34 KNOW, IT VERY LIKELY STAYS THERE IN THAT LOCATION IF THAT
04:10:37 CAN BE DONE.
04:10:38 I THINK THAT'S SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE
04:10:42 AND JUST PEOPLE TO COME AND VISIT DOWNTOWN CAN LEARN
04:10:45 ABOUT OUR CITY'S HISTORY, AND SEE SOME REALLY, REALLY
04:10:48 NEAT THINGS.
04:10:49 SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
04:10:50 THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS THE MEMORIAL THAT WE HAVE OUT
04:10:57 THERE FOR FALLEN OFFICERS, AGAIN JUST MAKING SURE THAT MY
04:11:00 OPINION ON MEMORIALS THAT COMMEMORATE GREAT SACRIFICES OR
04:11:05 PEOPLE SUFFERING IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE WHERE PEOPLE CAN
04:11:08 SEE THEM.
04:11:08 AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MEMORIAL
04:11:11 REMAINS SOMEWHERE IN DOWNTOWN, OR SOMEWHERE, WHERE IT'S
04:11:15 PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED, WHERE PEOPLE KNOW THE SACRIFICES
04:11:19 OF OUR FALLEN OFFICERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
04:11:22 A SENTIMENT I KNOW WE ALL AGREE WITH, BUT I JUST WANT TO
04:11:25 MAKE SURE THAT'S PROPERLY PRESERVED.
04:11:27 THEN TO THE EFFECT I KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
04:11:31 COMING UP HERE, BUT THERE WERE TALKS ON CHANGING LINCOLN
04:11:35 GARDENS, OBVIOUSLY JUST TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY OUT
04:11:40 THERE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
04:11:42 JUST AS WE DISCUSSED.
04:11:44 BUT I THINK THOSE TWO ITEMS FOR ME ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
04:11:46 JUST SMALLER ISSUES WITH THAT BUT THINGS THAT MEAN A LOT.
04:11:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:11:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN
04:11:51 VIERA.
04:11:52 AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT UP THE POLICE MUSEUM,
04:11:54 BECAUSE THERE IS A SECTION THERE THAT HONORS OUR FALLEN
04:11:57 OFFICERS WITH THEIR PICTURES, WITH SOME BIOS.
04:12:02 EVEN SOME OF THEIR FIREARMS ARE ON DISPLAY, THEIR SERVICE
04:12:06 WEAPONS, SERVICE FAIR ARMS ARE THERE, AND I DO HOPE THAT
04:12:09 WE FIND A SPACE THAT IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC
04:12:12 IN DOWNTOWN OR WHEREVER THAT PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THAT MUSEUM
04:12:16 AS WELL AS THE MEMORIAL OUT FRONT.
04:12:17 WELL SAID, SIR.
04:12:18 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
04:12:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:12:21 YES, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND I
04:12:24 AGREE ALSO REQUEST COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
04:12:26 NUMBERS DON'T LIE, AND IF WE CAN HAVE WHERE WE ARE GOING
04:12:29 TO SAVE MONEY, AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND,
04:12:32 MAKING IT TRANSPARENT FOR THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA TO KNOW
04:12:35 EXACTLY WHERE OUR MONEY IS COMING FROM AND GOING TO IS
04:12:39 GOOD INFORMATION FOR ALL.
04:12:40 I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE REQUEST TO EVERYONE CONCERNED HERE.
04:12:49 IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A CENTRALLY LOCATED FACILITY FOR
04:12:53 THE CITY OF TAMPA, THERE SHOULD ALSO BE A WELLNESS CENTER
04:12:59 THERE.
04:13:00 IF 500 EMPLOYEES ARE PLACED IN THIS BUILDING, OR THESE
04:13:04 BUILDINGS, WHY NOT HAVE A WELLNESS CENTER THERE SO THAT
04:13:08 IF A WORKER FEELS ILL, FEELS THAT THEY NEED SOME
04:13:12 IMMEDIATE ATTENTION, THAT THEY CAN GO THEREBY AS WELL.
04:13:14 SO THAT'S MY REQUEST.
04:13:17 NOT ONLY FOR NUMBERS, AND FOR POLICE MU SEAMS TO BE
04:13:24 SAVED, BUT ALSO THAT WE PUT IN A WELLNESS CENTER THERE SO
04:13:27 OUR EMPLOYEES CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE TIME THAT THEY
04:13:30 FEEL THEY CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.
04:13:32 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:13:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
04:13:36 >> SAL: I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT TO MR. CITRO,
04:13:44 THAT I THINK I MIGHT HAVE FAILED TO MENTION IT, BUT THE
04:13:47 WELLNESS CENTER IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED.
04:13:52 THAT'S GOING TO BE A DONE DEAL.
04:13:53 AND THE POLICE MEMORIAL AND THE MUSEUM, I SPOKE TO ONE OF
04:14:01 THE ASSISTANT CHIEFS, AND I HEAR MR. VIERA'S CONCERN, AND
04:14:11 I THINK EVERYTHING IS GOING TO WORK OUT JUST FINE.
04:14:13 AND THE NUMBERS, WE CAN GET THAT, AND WE'LL SUPPLY IT.
04:14:18 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
04:14:20 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:14:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR
04:14:24 LEADERSHIP THIS AFTERNOON.
04:14:25 WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PROJECT YOU LOOK AT HOW THAT PROJECT
04:14:32 IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, HOW IT BENEFITS THE
04:14:35 CITY, AND WHAT WILL IT BRING?
04:14:38 WHAT WILL IT ATTRACT?
04:14:40 I LOOK AT WHERE OUR -- THAT'S A HUGE PROPERTY.
04:14:47 LOOKING AT A LOT OF MONEY.
04:14:50 AND TO MOVE THAT TO SATELLITES AND JUST MOVE SOME OF THAT
04:14:54 OPERATION, PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING.
04:14:58 BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE LEAF, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME
04:15:02 STIPULATION AGREEMENTS WHO WE SELL TO.
04:15:05 MR. VIERA TALKED ABOUT THAT.
04:15:07 AND YOU HAVE LINCOLN GARDEN CARVER CITY.
04:15:12 THEY ARE BEING PUSHED OUT.
04:15:14 I WILL TALK FOR A WHILE BECAUSE OF BIG DEVELOPMENTS GOING
04:15:17 ON OVER THERE, THE RENT AND PROPERTIES, WHICH THEY ARE
04:15:21 ALL BAD THINGS.
04:15:23 BUT WE GOT TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE THAT
04:15:26 STILL LIVE THERE, THAT WANT TO STAY LIVING THERE, OR HAVE
04:15:31 LEGACY THERE.
04:15:32 SO LET'S MAKE SURE IF WE DO MOVE AND WE SELL SOMETHING
04:15:35 THAT WE MAKE SURE WE ARE SELLING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE, SO
04:15:39 THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE, WHO HAVE BEEN
04:15:42 STRUGGLING THERE, WHO HAVE BEEN CHAMPIONS THERE, DON'T
04:15:44 FEEL THEY ARE BEING PUSHED OUT.
04:15:47 I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MINDFUL OF THAT.
04:15:50 I THINK WHEN YOU COME TO THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, I THINK
04:15:55 FOLKS ARE EXCITED BUT YOU WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WHEN
04:15:58 GUYS TALK TO ME THAT THEY TALK TO SOME OF THE KEY LEADERS
04:16:03 IN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE HOW THEY FELT.
04:16:09 GOING INTO THE NINTH HOUR, SOMETIMES YOU TALK ABOUT
04:16:11 BRINGING THESE PROJECTS TO COUNCIL, AND MOVE VERY
04:16:14 QUICKLY, AND NEIGHBORHOOD HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REALLY
04:16:17 DIGEST THESE THINGS AND COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE A DECISION.
04:16:23 I TALK TO A LOT OF COMMUNITY LEADERS.
04:16:26 MOST OF THEM ARE EXCITED ABOUT COMING TO THE EAST SIDE OF
04:16:31 TOWN.
04:16:31 ACTUALLY THE MIDDLE PART OF THE CITY.
04:16:35 I THINK THAT BRINGING A CITY CENTER TO THE EAST SIDE WILL
04:16:42 BRING ECONOMIC IMPACT, BECAUSE PEOPLE COME TO UNDERSTAND
04:16:46 HOW PEOPLE LIVE AND HOPEFULLY CAN CHANGE THE WAY THE EAST
04:16:51 SIDE LOOKS, BRING SOME NEW THINGS THERE.
04:16:53 MIGHT THROW SOME PEOPLE OUT, BUT BRING MORE OPPORTUNITY
04:16:57 TO THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
04:16:59 I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.
04:17:03 BRING ECONOMIC IMPACT THERE.
04:17:04 I THINK THE EAST SIDE HAS SEEN, AND YOU ARE GOING TO
04:17:09 START MAKING SOME CHANGES TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.
04:17:15 WE ARE GOING TO BEAUTIFY HANNA.
04:17:18 YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.
04:17:21 YOU HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS ON THE
04:17:24 EAST SIDE.
04:17:25 BECAUSE AGAIN YOU HAVE GOT THE CITY CENTER THERE.
04:17:29 SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING FOR THE CITIZENS ON
04:17:32 THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN.
04:17:35 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THESE PLACES THAT ARE
04:17:40 OUTREACH OR PLACES FOR SERVICES.
04:17:44 MR. MIRANDA IS RIGHT.
04:17:45 YOU TALK ABOUT MONEY.
04:17:46 WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST?
04:17:48 I ALWAYS SAY DON'T NICKEL AND DIME THE PEOPLE WHICH I
04:17:53 HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR SINCE DAY ONE.
04:17:55 DON'T NICKEL AND DIME THE PEOPLE.
04:17:56 YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO TELL THE PEOPLE WHAT THIS MIGHT
04:17:59 BE.
04:18:00 SIMPLE.
04:18:00 BECAUSE WE CAN'T SAY, WE WANT $6 MILLION NOW AND THEN
04:18:04 SAYING WELL, WE HAVE GOT TO GET THIS AND THAT, SO WHAT IS
04:18:10 THE $6 MILLION ALLOCATION FOR RIGHT NOW?
04:18:12 WHAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT FUNDED?
04:18:14 I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PORTION IS GOING TO BE FUNDED
04:18:16 TODAY, BUT YET IT AIN'T GOING TO COST US A MILLION
04:18:21 DOLLARS IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND PEOPLE TELL ME TO BUILD
04:18:24 A RECREATION CENTER COSTS AFTERNOON ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT
04:18:30 OF MONEY.
04:18:30 >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE 6.2 MILLION WILL BE SPENT ON THE
04:18:40 OVERWHELMING MAJORITY WILL BE SPENT ON DESIGN AND OVER A
04:18:44 MILLION DOLLARS, A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON OH
04:18:47 LIQUORS OF THE EXISTING SITE.
04:18:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.
04:18:50 ALL RIGHT.
04:18:50 SO WE ARE CLEAR ON THAT.
04:18:52 OKAY.
04:18:52 SO IT'S COSTING MORE MONEY.
04:18:55 SORE AS MR. MIRANDA SAID, WE KNOW WHAT OTHER PROPERTY
04:19:00 WILL RAISE US IN DOLLARS, WHAT WILL BE INVOLVED, AND THAT
04:19:05 WILL GIVE A CLEAR-CUT IDEA WHEREOF WE NEED TO BE.
04:19:08 I THINK MOST OF THE COUNCILMEN SEEM LIKE THEY ARE IN
04:19:12 FAVOR OF MAKING THE MOVE TO THE EAST SIDE AND BRINGING
04:19:14 THE SERVICES THAT WILL HELP OUT EVERYBODY THROUGHOUT THE
04:19:17 CITY, AND I THINK WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST, AND WHAT WILL
04:19:20 IT COST THE TAXPAYERS?
04:19:22 BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FREE.
04:19:23 I JUST CAN'T SEE IT BEING FREE.
04:19:25 SO WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THAT.
04:19:27 BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PREPARE FOR IT THAT WE GIVE
04:19:30 THE CITIZENS OF EAST TAMPA ENOUGH TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
04:19:33 WE ARE DOING AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHY WE
04:19:36 ARE DOING IT
04:19:43 NOT JUST TAXING AND TAXING AND TAXING.
04:19:46 I FEEL IF IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE LIKE TO BE
04:19:49 PART OF THE PROJECT, TO BE ON THE TRAIN TO RAID.
04:19:53 LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE MARKET IT WELL, AND MAKE SURE
04:19:56 THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE 9th HOUR THAN WANTING TO BRING
04:20:01 THINGS OUT, AND BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE.
04:20:03 WHEN YOU ARE FORTHCOMING, PEOPLE ARE MORE EASY TO RIDE
04:20:06 THE TRAIN.
04:20:07 I AM JUST HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO THAT SO WE GET NO
04:20:11 PUSHBACK ON THIS NEW RAID THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET ON,
04:20:14 AND LET'S MAKE SURE WE GETS ALL THE FACTS OUT, AND WE
04:20:18 DON'T NICKEL AND DIME THE PUBLIC, AND THEY KNOW WHERE TO
04:20:20 GO, WHAT THEY NEED TO PAY TO BE ON THIS TRAIN.
04:20:24 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:20:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THEN COUNCILMAN
04:20:28 DINGFELDER.
04:20:28 >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL TRY NOT TO REPEAT THINGS MY
04:20:31 COLLEAGUES SAID.
04:20:32 ON THE SURFACE, IT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA.
04:20:35 MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I FOUND OUT YESTERDAY, DID ANYBODY
04:20:39 FIND OUT ABOUT IT BEFORE?
04:20:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABSOLUTELY.
04:20:44 TUESDAY.
04:20:44 [ LAUGHTER ]
04:20:46 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE GOT BRIEFED
04:20:48 EARLIER ON IT BUT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE $6.5
04:20:52 MILLION BUT IT'S REALLY A $100 MILLION PROJECT TO BEGIN
04:20:56 TO DESIGN A $100 MILLION PROJECT.
04:20:59 AND I HEAR A TRAIN OUTSIDE.
04:21:02 OR A TRUCK.
04:21:04 BUT I TALKED TO CHIEF BENNETT ABOUT IT.
04:21:07 AND CHIEF BENNETT AND THE MAYOR DO A LOT TO TRY TO BUILD
04:21:14 TRUST.
04:21:16 THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE FULLY
04:21:19 COMMUNICATED WITH THE PUBLIC.
04:21:20 WHEN WE GET READY TO MAKE A MOTION I AM GOING TO PROPOSE
04:21:23 FOR A SHORT AMENDMENT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS
04:21:26 DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY.
04:21:27 BUT I WILL RATTLE THEM OFF QUICKLY.
04:21:30 I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
04:21:33 THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT SO FAR BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE
04:21:35 EXTENSIVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
04:21:37 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS SAID MANY TAMES IN LAND USE
04:21:39 ISSUES, IF IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE IN CERTAIN PART OF
04:21:42 THE CITY, WHY SHOULD IT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY?
04:21:46 IF THIS WAS GOING INTO HYDE PARK OR SOUTH TAMPA, IT WOULD
04:21:49 BE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH, EXTENSIVE PUBLIC
04:21:52 COMMUNICATION, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T
04:21:54 ASSUME THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE PUTTING THIS INTO ARE
04:21:57 GOING TO LIKE IT THE WAY WE WANT IT.
04:21:59 WE NEED TO PSALM THAT -- NOT ASSUME THAT THEY ARE GOING
04:22:04 TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS HERE.
04:22:06 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ENGAGE THEM.
04:22:08 NUMBER TWO THAT INPUT SHOULD INCLUDE AESTHETICS.
04:22:12 I TOOK A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHERS TO EAST TAMPA YEARS AGO
04:22:15 TO LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURAL STALE OF EAST TAMPA, AND THE
04:22:18 HISTORY OF IT.
04:22:19 THERE'S GREAT ARCHITECTURE THERE.
04:22:21 AND EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
04:22:23 ARCHITECTURE.
04:22:24 I HAVE BEEN ON SOME WALKING TOURS AND DRIVING TAURUS AND
04:22:27 YOU ALL HAVE, COUNCILMAN GUDES KNOWS BETTER THAN ANY OF
04:22:29 US, BUT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE AESTHETICS OF THE
04:22:33 COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE WE WOK DO ANY COMMUNITY.
04:22:35 IF WE WENT INTO HYDE PARK WE WOULD LOOK AT THE AESTHETICS
04:22:38 OF HYDE PARK.
04:22:39 LET'S CELEBRATE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A GENTRIFICATION
04:22:43 PROJECT, LET'S LOOK AT A WAY TO CELEBRATE THE AESTHETICS,
04:22:46 HISTORY AND CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITIES SURROUNDING IT.
04:22:49 AND IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE IN A HOKIE WAY BUT CHALLENGE THE
04:22:52 ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT
04:22:54 WOULD WIN AWARDS BECAUSE IT IS -- IT HONORS AND RESPECT
04:22:59 IT IS AESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITY.
04:23:01 WE SHOULDN'T ASSUME IF WE BUILD SOMETHING MODERN IT'S
04:23:03 GOING TO UPGRADE THE COMMUNITY.
04:23:04 WE SHOULD RESPECT WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
04:23:06 THE NEXT PART IS WHAT AMENITIES THE COMMUNITIES WANTS.
04:23:10 ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I HAVE IN LURING PEOPLE TO EAST
04:23:13 TAMPA, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO MEET FOR COFFEE?
04:23:15 AND THERE ARE SOME PLACES TO MEET.
04:23:17 BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A PLACE, IDEALLY SEVERAL PLACES WHERE
04:23:20 THERE WOULD BE COFFEE SHOPS WITH CO-WORK SPACE WHERE
04:23:24 ENTREPRENEURS IN EAST TAMPA ESPECIALLY TECH ENTREPRENEURS
04:23:27 CAN MEET AND HAVE COFFEE AND MEET EACH OTHER, AND HEAR
04:23:30 SPEAKERS AND OTHER ENTREPRENEURS.
04:23:32 IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 500 PEOPLE WE PROBABLY NEED A
04:23:35 COFFEE SHOP AND IT PROBABLY COULD BE AT LEAST REVENUE
04:23:38 NEUTRAL BUT BE COMMUNITY BASING SO WE FIND OUT WHAT ELSE
04:23:41 THE COMMUNITY MIGHT WANT.
04:23:43 NEXT, THE LAST ADMINISTRATION, LAST MAYOR, SORRY, WAS A
04:23:49 CAUSED REPEATEDLY BY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR NOT
04:23:53 FULLY ADVERTISING OUR PEACE AND SELLING PROPERTY BELOW
04:23:58 MARKET VALUE.
04:23:59 THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES WHERE DEVELOPERS LEASEHOLD
04:24:02 PROPERTY NOT LONG AFTERWARDS AND HATS OFF TO THEM FOR
04:24:05 GETTING A DEAL LIKE THAT, BUT AS A CITY IT'S OUR
04:24:07 RESPONSIBILITIES TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE MOST MONEY FOR
04:24:10 PROPERTY SOLD, WHEN PEOPLE -- WHEN THE CITY RUNS OUT OF
04:24:15 MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE TAXES?
04:24:17 AND I SAID I THINK WE OUGHT TO ADVERTISE OUR RFPs.
04:24:21 THERE ARE SO MANY COMPLAINTS IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT RFPs
04:24:24 NOT BEING FULLY ADVERTISED, AND IF THERE ARE ALREADY
04:24:28 DETAILS, I'M GOING TO BE MAD, MY CONSTITUENTS ARE GOING
04:24:31 TO BE MAD, BECAUSE THEY ELECTED ME TO MAKE SURE TO BE A
04:24:34 WATCHDOG THAT THAT KIND OF THING NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN,
04:24:37 LIKE HAPPENED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE LAST
04:24:39 ADMINISTRATION.
04:24:40 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY EITHER GET TOP DOLLAR FOR THOSE
04:24:43 PROPERTIES OR SOLD, OR PUT INTO THE RFPs WHAT THE
04:24:48 COMMUNITIES WANT, AT LEAST ONE COUNCILMEMBER MENTIONED
04:24:51 WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THE AREA AROUND SPRUCE
04:24:54 WANT?
04:24:54 WHAT DOES WESTSHORE ALLIANCE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
04:24:57 PROPERTY FOR YEARS, WHAT DO THEY WANT?
04:24:59 WHAT DO THE RESIDENTS DOWNTOWN WANT IS THAT THERE MAY BE
04:25:01 SOME AMENITIES THAT WE COULD PUT INTO AN RFP SO WHEN NOT
04:25:05 ONLY GET HIGHEST VALUE BUT WE ALSO KIND OF SET DESIGN
04:25:09 GUIDELINES WHERE OTHER STANDARDS OR AMENITY STANDARDS
04:25:12 THAT WOULD GUIDE THE PROCESS.
04:25:14 SO WITH CHAIR AND COUNCIL'S PERMISSION I WILL MAKE SOME
04:25:18 SHORT AMENDMENT MOTIONS AT THE END.
04:25:20 BUT WITH THAT, IF WE CAN MAKE THOSE THINGS, I WOULD LIKE
04:25:24 TO SUPPORT TAKING THIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND AFTER
04:25:26 TALKING TO CHIEF BENNETT, I THINK THIS COULD GO WELL.
04:25:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:25:33 I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP REGARDING THE PRICE OF REAL
04:25:35 ESTATE.
04:25:36 YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD ALWAYS GET THE HIGHEST AND BEST
04:25:38 PRICE.
04:25:39 IF REALTORS SAY, WHEN YOU ASK THEM WHAT THE REAL ESTATE
04:25:43 MARKET AROUND HERE IN TAMPA, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW IT WAS
04:25:46 TO FIND TOILET PAPER LAST YEAR?
04:25:49 NOBODY COULD FIND TOILET PAPER.
04:25:52 THE PROPERTIES WERE SO HOT THAT WHEN SOMETHING COMES ON
04:25:54 THE MARKET IT'S EITHER GOING FOR ASKING PRAISE OR ABOVE
04:25:57 ASKING PRAISE.
04:25:58 SO WHEN IT COMES TO OUR REAL ESTATE, ESPECIALLY LARGE
04:26:01 PRIME EXAMPLES OF REAL ESTATE, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE,
04:26:04 WE SHOULD GET TOP DOLLAR.
04:26:06 THERE'S NO EXCUSE.
04:26:06 THE BANKS ARE FINANCING.
04:26:08 PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MONEY AND COMING FROM ALL OVER.
04:26:10 SO WE SHOULDN'T OFFER A DISCOUNT OR A DEAL OR LOWER THAN
04:26:14 WHATEVER EXPECTED PRICE IS.
04:26:16 I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
04:26:17 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
04:26:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: A POINT I ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT, WE TALK
04:26:26 ABOUT RFPs.
04:26:27 HE WANTS TO ASK MS. ZELMAN WHO IS HERE, WITH THAN THE
04:26:33 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AS IT RELATES TO RFP, RFQs,
04:26:38 RIGHT NOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO ALL
04:26:41 OUR RFPs, SEND THEM OUT, AND COUNCIL DOESN'T LOOK THEM
04:26:46 OVER UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO BRING THEM, CORRECT?
04:26:50 CORRECT?
04:26:50 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD AFTERNOON.
04:27:02 ANDREA ZELMAN, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.
04:27:04 IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO PULL THE CHARTER OUT TO SEE WHAT
04:27:08 IT SAYS ABOUT PROCUREMENT.
04:27:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GO TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER
04:27:12 THEN?
04:27:13 THEN WE WILL GO TO MS. ZELMAN WITH THE ANSWER, AND CHIEF
04:27:16 BENNETT.
04:27:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
04:27:19 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, AFTER THIS, CAN WE DO THE
04:27:24 PULLED ITEM?
04:27:25 I AM ASKING A QUESTION, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, A POINT OF
04:27:28 ORDER, FULL, POINT OF ORDER.
04:27:30 MAY WE ASK FOR THIS ITEM 15 THAT WAS PULLED JUST FOR
04:27:34 PURPOSES OF TIME?
04:27:35 BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM HERE FOR THAT.
04:27:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FINE.
04:27:38 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, GO AHEAD, SIR.
04:27:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APOLOGIZE, MR. VIERA.
04:27:45 SOMEBODY ELSE WAS JUMPING IN.
04:27:50 SO A COUPLE OF THINGS.
04:27:52 NUMBER ONE, MR. MIRANDA, YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
04:28:00 I THINK ANYTIME WE GO INTO A REAL ESTATE DALE, AND I KNOW
04:28:05 YOU HAD PERSONAL REAL STATE ESTATE TRANSACTIONS YOUR
04:28:08 WHOLE LIFE, AS HAVE I, PROBABLY EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE,
04:28:13 BUT YOU GO TO A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION YOU HAVE TO LOOK
04:28:16 AT ALL THOSE FACTORS, THAT YOU MENTIONED.
04:28:19 AND MR. CARLSON, YOU MENTIONED, AND MR. GUDES DID AS
04:28:25 WELL, THAT THIS IS JUST A $6 MILLION REQUEST, NOT THE 6
04:28:29 MILLION IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT
04:28:33 TODAY WE ARE BEING ASKED TO COMMIT TO $100 MILLION
04:28:36 PROJECT, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DIPPING OUR TOES IN, WE ARE
04:28:40 JUMPING INTO THE POOL.
04:28:42 AND DENNIS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NOW THAT YOU HAVE THAT
04:28:45 WHITE ON YOUR CHIN, I THINK YOU ARE A LOT WISER.
04:28:52 BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU POINTED
04:28:58 THIS OUT AS WELL, THAT WE ARE NOT JUST LOOKING AT A
04:29:00 LITTLE PROJECT.
04:29:01 TODAY WE ARE LOOKING AT $100 MILLION PROJECT.
04:29:04 BECAUSE IF WE SPENT THIS $6 MILLION AND THEN ALL OF A
04:29:07 SUDDEN START SAYING, OH, WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS IS
04:29:10 GOING, THEN WE WOULD BE WASTING THE $6 MILLION.
04:29:13 AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER.
04:29:17 I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY -- I AM SURE THIS PROJECT HAS
04:29:20 BEEN STEWING FOR A LONG TIME.
04:29:23 IT LOOKS LIKE IT ACTUALLY GOES BACK FIVE YEARS SINCE THE
04:29:26 BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY FIRST BOUGHT THIS
04:29:28 PROPERTY.
04:29:30 BUT I DON'T KNOW -- RECENTLY, I ASSUME THAT THIS HAS BEEN
04:29:33 GOING ON FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, AND COUNCIL HASN'T BEEN
04:29:40 BROUGHT UP TO SPEED FOR WHATEVER REASON, UNTIL AS
04:29:46 COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID THIS WEEK.
04:29:48 I CAN'T REMEMBER.
04:29:49 MY BRIEFING MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOUR OR FIVE DAYS AGO, BUT
04:29:52 REGARDLESS ALL IN THE LAST WEEK.
04:29:54 AGAIN I AM NOT POINTING FINGERS, BUT I KNOW STAFF IS
04:29:56 VERY, VERY BUSY WITH A MILLION OTHER THINGS.
04:29:59 BUT WE ARE HEARING ABOUT THIS LESS THAN A WEEK BEFORE WE
04:30:03 ARE ASKED TO VOTE ON A $100 MILLION LONG-TERM 30-YEAR
04:30:09 PROJECT.
04:30:09 SO UNLESS THERE IS SOME OVERWHELMING COMPELLING REASON, I
04:30:15 THINK NOT ONLY WE, BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE
04:30:17 A CHANCE TO GIVE US INPUT ON THIS FOR AT LEAST TWO WEEKS.
04:30:26 I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
04:30:28 I THINK THAT PROBABLY WE ARE ALL LEANING IN THIS
04:30:32 DIRECTION.
04:30:34 I HAVE GOT SOME QUESTIONS THAT I WANT ANSWERED BACK IN
04:30:40 2015.
04:30:40 THIS PARTICULAR VENDOR, DVR, THE NAME OF THE COMPANY THAT
04:30:44 WAS SELECTED, OFFERED A 19% IT DBB COMPONENT FOR THE
04:30:53 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT THAT THEY REQUEST GIVEN BACK IN
04:30:55 2015.
04:30:56 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE FOR THE
04:30:58 DEMOLITION.
04:30:59 AND/OR THE DESIGN.
04:31:03 THERE'S SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
04:31:04 I THINK SELLING THE PROPERTY DOWNTOWN ON SPRUCE STREET,
04:31:12 YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT A 99 YEAR LEASE, WITH SOME
04:31:16 POTENTIAL BUILDER/BUYER, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT
04:31:19 THESE DAYS.
04:31:20 A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE AN INCOME EXTREME FOR
04:31:25 99 YEARS INSTEAD OF CASH UP FRONT.
04:31:29 OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD
04:31:31 LOOK AT.
04:31:32 AND THOSE PROPERTIES AREN'T UP FOR SALE. IN TERMS MUCH
04:31:36 GETTING THE BEST PRAISE, I THINK THAT -- I CAN'T REMEMBER
04:31:40 WHO MENTIONED THAT, PROBABLY GUIDO AND SOME OTHERS, I
04:31:45 THINK THAT'S REALLY CRITICAL.
04:31:47 ARE WE GOING TO SELL BY OWNER OR HIRE COMMERCIAL AGENTS
04:31:51 TO HELP US?
04:31:52 AND THAT SORT OF THING.
04:32:02 JOE CITRO MENTIONED ABOUT THE POLICE MUSEUM AND POLICE
04:32:05 MEMORIAL.
04:32:06 I THINK THE MEMORIAL CAN BE MOVED DOWN BY CITY HALL.
04:32:08 THE POLICE MUSEUM IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY THERE.
04:32:12 THEY ARE GOING TO KNOCK THAT THING DOWN OR TOTALLY GUT IT
04:32:14 AND RENOVATE IT.
04:32:16 SO I WOULD LET THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE -- THE TAMPA FIRE
04:32:24 MUSEUM WOULD BE A NICE LOCATION TO COMMINGLE THEIR MUSEUM
04:32:28 EFFORTS.
04:32:28 BUT ANYWAY, BOTTOM LINE, I THINK THAT THIS IS KIND OF A
04:32:34 NEAT AND EXCITING PROJECT, ESPECIALLY IN COUNCILMAN
04:32:37 GUDES' DISTRICT.
04:32:38 THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, IS WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON
04:32:41 DOWNTOWN?
04:32:46 IF WE ARE PULLING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEES SOME
04:32:50 OF WHICH ARE ALREADY DOWNTOWN, WHAT'S THE EFFECT ON THE
04:32:51 DOWNTOWN ECONOMY?
04:32:53 RIGHT NOW THE DOWNTOWN ECONOMY IS HURTING WITH COVID.
04:32:55 AND I HOPE AND PRAY THAT'S A SHORT ISSUE.
04:32:58 BUT I THINK WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RETURNING TO WORK
04:33:03 DOWNTOWN THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WORKING OUT OF
04:33:05 THEIR HOMES.
04:33:08 I THINK THAT THAT'S A CONCERN.
04:33:10 AND ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF GOVERNMENT LEAVING DOWNTOWN.
04:33:24 BUT THOSE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
04:33:27 REGARDLESS PUTTING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER, UNLESS THE
04:33:32 ADMINISTRATION HAS SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE HAVE GOT TO
04:33:36 HAVE AN ANSWER TODAY, AND THAT'S ARTICULATED BY STAFF, I
04:33:43 WOULD SUGGEST A TWO' WEEK CONTINUANCE ON IT.
04:33:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:33:49 MS. ZELMAN, YES, MA'AM.
04:33:50 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TO ANSWER COUNCILMAN GUDES' QUESTION,
04:33:57 ALTHOUGH I AM NOT SURE WHO FROM STAFF CAN ANSWER THIS
04:33:59 QUESTION, BUT MY RECOLLECTION, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE
04:34:02 AGENDA, AND THE BACKUP, THAT WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS
04:34:06 AN AMENDMENT TO A 2015 CONTRACT AGREEMENT.
04:34:13 IT SOUND LIKE EVERYONE IS TREATING THIS AS IF THIS IS A
04:34:17 NEW ITEM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS
04:34:19 JUST AN AMENDMENT TO A 2015 AGREEMENT.
04:34:25 PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN CLARIFY THAT.
04:34:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TO GO FROM A MILLION TO 6 MILLION.
04:34:32 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: BUT IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION REGARDING
04:34:36 THE CHARTER, SECTION 8.04 OF THE CHARTER DOES ADDRESS
04:34:43 COMPETITIVE BIDDING, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCUREMENT
04:34:47 METHODS BEING ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE.
04:34:50 IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN A LOW-BID CONTRACT IS APPROPRIATE,
04:35:00 WHEN THE CCNA ACT APPLIES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
04:35:04 THAT IS SET OUT IN THE CHARTER.
04:35:07 BUT FRANKLY, SOME OF WHAT I AM HEARING TODAY, AND SOME OF
04:35:11 WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE
04:35:17 STARTING TO GET INTO THAT AREA WHERE SOME OF THE
04:35:20 DISCUSSION IS MOVING OUT OF THE CITY COUNCIL LANE AND
04:35:27 INTO THE ADMINISTRATION LANE.
04:35:29 JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, WE DO HAVE A STRONG MAYOR FORM
04:35:33 OF GOVERNMENT, WE DO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CONTRACTING
04:35:43 -- NEGOTIATING CONTRACTS IS SPECIFICALLY IN THE PROVINCE
04:35:49 OF THE MAYOR, UNDER SECTION 401, ALTHOUGH CITY COUNCIL
04:35:51 DOES HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT THE MAYOR HAS NEGOTIATED.
04:35:55 WE DO HAVE LANGUAGE AGAIN IN 401 THAT THE MAYOR IS SOLELY
04:36:00 RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF CITY GOVERNMENT,
04:36:04 AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR THE MAYOR AND NOT COUNCIL TO
04:36:12 BE DOING SOME OF THE DECISION MAKING THAT YOU ALL ARE
04:36:17 STARTING TO STRAY INTO.
04:36:18 SO I THINK THAT WAS WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS GETTING AT.
04:36:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS TRYING TO POINTED OUT AS A
04:36:26 REFERENCE TO RFP AND RFQ.
04:36:29 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OKAY.
04:36:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I KNOW A LOT OF THOSE THINGS COME TO
04:36:34 THE COUNCIL BEFORE IT'S LAID OUT, TO PROCUREMENT, WHERE
04:36:39 THE COUNCIL HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW.
04:36:45 SO I AM JUST WONDERING, THE WAY WE DO HERE, IT'S DONE,
04:36:48 AND WE DON'T SEE -- PEOPLE COME FOR APPROVAL FOR
04:36:53 CONTRACT.
04:36:54 SO I AM JUST ASKING, WHERE THAT MEETS WITH THE RFP.
04:36:59 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT OR NOT BUT I AM
04:37:02 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
04:37:05 BECAUSE I DO HAVE CONCERNS IN REFERENCE TO THE RFP
04:37:08 GETTING OUT, AND I THINK THAT IT'S NOT THERE.
04:37:17 IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN IT TO WHERE THIS COUNCIL IS GOING
04:37:20 TO LOOK AT AN RFP TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE SAID IS TO BE
04:37:24 INCLUDED FOR THE CITY, INCLUDED IN THAT BID GOING OUT.
04:37:28 THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING THAT QUESTION, TO RAISE THAT
04:37:32 TYPE OF AN ISSUE.
04:37:34 >>BILL CARLSON: UNTIL I SPOKE TO CHIEF BENNETT TODAY I
04:37:39 WAS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I JUST FOUND ABOUT
04:37:42 IT YESTERDAY, AND IT'S A $100 MILLION.
04:37:44 I THINK THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE, CITY
04:37:46 COUNCIL HAS TO THE PUBLIC, AND I FEEL BLIND-SIDED BY IT,
04:37:51 AND I AM SURE THE PUBLIC FEELS BLIND-SIDED.
04:37:53 IT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
04:37:56 I MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS REGARDING COMMUNITY OUTREACH,
04:38:01 MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A FAIR RFP GIVING SUFFICIENT TIME
04:38:04 AND ALL THAT.
04:38:05 BUT HEARING THAT THAT MAY BREECH THE STRONG MAYOR FORM
04:38:10 GOVERNMENT OF CHARTER I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT
04:38:13 WE CONTINUE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS UNTIL WE CAN HAVE MORE
04:38:15 CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO TALK ABOUT --
04:38:20 ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND TO PUT -- IF WE CAN'T MAKE THE
04:38:25 SUGGESTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC
04:38:30 AND HAVE A FAIR AND OPEN RFP, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO
04:38:34 THE ADMINISTRATION PRIVATELY AND ASK THEM TO INCLUDE IT
04:38:37 AND GET A PROPOSAL BACK TO US IN TWO WEEKS.
04:38:40 >> BEFORE THE MOTION IS MADE, I KNOW CHIEF BENNETT WANTED
04:38:43 TO SPEAK SO WE WILL GO TO HIM BEFORE.
04:38:45 JOHN BENNETT, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, GO AHEAD, SIR.
04:38:47 >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, JOHN BENNETT,
04:38:53 CHIEF OF STAFF.
04:38:55 I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
04:38:56 BUT IN TALKING THREE DIFFERENT SPACES.
04:38:59 THE FIRST ONE, SINCE IT'S TOP OF MIND, IS THE RFP.
04:39:02 THE ADMINISTRATION, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN HERE, HAVE HEARD
04:39:06 THE CONCERNS FROM COUNCIL, AND OF COURSE WE WANT TO FOCUS
04:39:10 ON COLLABORATION AND TRANSPARENCY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
04:39:13 WE ARE TRYING TO RESPECT THE EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE LINE
04:39:17 BECAUSE THESE THINGS COME IN FRONT AS A GROUP TO VOTE ON,
04:39:22 WHETHER AS A CRA BOARD, WHICH WE KNOW THE RFP IS PART OF
04:39:25 THE CRA PROCESS, OR STU CITY COUNCIL.
04:39:28 AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT INTERNALLY IS GETTING
04:39:32 THAT INCLUSION ON THE FRONT END OF DEVELOPING THE RFP
04:39:36 FROM COUNCIL, FROM THE PUBLIC, AND THEN ONCE IT'S
04:39:39 COMPLETED AND IT'S PUT OUT, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN
04:39:42 OPPORTUNITY THROUGH TALKING TO MR. SPEARMAN'S OFFICE, TO
04:39:46 MAKE JUDGMENTS TO THE RFP.
04:39:49 SO THERE IS WRAP AROUND INCLUSION IT ON THE FRONT END AND
04:39:52 THE BACK END.
04:39:53 WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A LINE TO BRING
04:39:56 TO YOU, IT'S A FAIR AND YOU CAN BIASED PROCESS WHEN YOU
04:40:00 VOTE ON IT.
04:40:01 THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE RFP AND RFQ
04:40:05 SPACE.
04:40:05 AS RELATES TO THIS PROJECT, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
04:40:08 ABOUT THE QUALITATIVE EFFECT OF WHAT I HAVE SEEN WORKING
04:40:11 IN THE CITY FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE
04:40:14 NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COUNCILMAN GUDES AND I HAVE SHARED
04:40:18 MANY YEARS ON THE FRONT LINES OUT THERE.
04:40:21 THIS TOUCHES ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF OUR STRATEGIC
04:40:24 PLAN.
04:40:25 THE HOUSING ASPECT, BRINGING THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY INTO
04:40:29 THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH ALMOST A SENSE OF BIKE, WALK-UP
04:40:33 OR BIKE-UP ABILITY IS A GAME CHANGER FOR US.
04:40:37 THE HOUSING UNIT ALSO HOUSES, NO PUN THERE, THE HUMAN
04:40:42 RIGHTS OFFICE.
04:40:44 SO NOW YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THE HUMAN RIGHTS
04:40:47 OFFICE WITHOUT NECESSARILY GETTING ON A BUS AND
04:40:51 TRAVERSING.
04:40:52 TRANSPORTATION.
04:40:53 WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A CSX TRACK THERE.
04:40:55 WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION IS GOING
04:40:58 HOLISTICALLY YOU, BUT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, THE
04:41:02 OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN SMALL BUSINESSES AROUND A CITY,
04:41:05 SERVICE, SOCIAL CENTER, TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY, JUST
04:41:09 SEEMED BOTTOMLESS IN THIS OPPORTUNITY.
04:41:11 SO WE ARE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE KINDS OF -- WE
04:41:18 KNOW THERE WAS A 2008 PERIOD WITH THIS PROPERTY.
04:41:20 THIS ADMINISTRATION, EVEN DESPITE THE COVID AND WHAT WE
04:41:23 HAVE BEEN HIT WITH, WE LIKE TO MOVE NIMBLE AND AGILE
04:41:28 WITHOUT NECESSARILY MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE
04:41:33 WITH COUNCIL OR THE PUBLIC, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S
04:41:37 BEEN A LITTLE COMPRESSION BETWEEN GIVING GETTING UP ALL
04:41:42 THE PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER ON OUR SIDE.
04:41:44 THERE'S A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS GOING.
04:41:46 BUT IT'S HARD TO BRING TO YOU IN PIECEMEAL.
04:41:48 SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT ALL THIS INFORMATION HAS
04:41:52 GONE TOG TOGETHER.
04:41:53 I AM ONLY ABOUT A WEEK AHEAD OF YOU.
04:41:55 AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I HAVE ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE
04:41:57 QUANTITATIVE ASPECT OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT WE
04:42:00 WOULD SAVE AND WHAT WE WOULD SPEND AS WELL IN THE TABLE.
04:42:06 AND I WILL JUST GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT.
04:42:08 JUST MOVING THE WELLNESS CENTER INTO THAT BUILDING, YOU
04:42:13 KNOW, WE ARE PAYING ABOUT $15,000 A MONTH IN RENT FOR TWO
04:42:17 FACILITIES, ONE IN THE CITY, AND ONE IN THE COUNTY.
04:42:20 AND TO CONSOLIDATE THIS FOR ABOUT ALMOST 8,000 SQUARE
04:42:25 FEET OF WHAT WE ARE RENTING NOW ALONE SAVING $15,000 A
04:42:30 MONTH IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE
04:42:33 EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE
04:42:37 THE WELLNESS OPPORTUNITY RIGHT THERE ON CAMPUS.
04:42:41 THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS THERE'S A SAYING THAT NEVER
04:42:45 WASTE A CRISIS.
04:42:46 WELL, WE HAVE BEEN IN A CRISIS MODE FOR ABOUT 12 MONTHS
04:42:49 NOW THROUGH A STATE OF LOCAL EMERENCY, AND WE ALL KNOW
04:42:52 THAT OUR CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT AND OUR PROJECTS WHICH
04:42:59 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN STAND UP GOVERNMENT IN A
04:43:02 STRONG WAY.
04:43:03 SO SYNTHESIZING ALL OF THESE OPTIONS AND HAVING
04:43:06 REDUNDANCY FOR COUNCIL AND REDUNDANCY FOR STAFF, IN A NEW
04:43:10 BUILDING THAT IS ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND ALL THE THINGS
04:43:12 THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, ALL OF THIS COMPRESSES UP
04:43:16 AGAINST THE TIMELINE OF UNDOING THOSE OTHER FACILITIES.
04:43:19 THAT'S CONTAINED WHEREOF WE SEE THE COMPRESSION ACT, IS
04:43:22 WEEKI WACHEE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER BEFORE
04:43:25 THOSE OTHER ITEMS HAVE TO COME UP FOR RENEGOTIATION OR
04:43:29 LEASE OR SALE.
04:43:29 SO WHILE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID
04:43:33 BY COUNCIL, I WANT TO POINT OUT, COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
04:43:36 COMMENTS ON THAT LIST.
04:43:37 I RESPECT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE.
04:43:39 I KNOW THE MAYOR DOES.
04:43:40 THEY ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO
04:43:44 COUNCIL AND CONSTITUENCY.
04:43:45 SO THERE'S NO DOUBT WE ARE GOING TO TOUCH ALL THOSE
04:43:48 THINGS.
04:43:49 AND WE ARE HOPING THAT 6% OF THIS PROJECT CAN GET TO US
04:43:51 MOVE FORWARD.
04:43:52 THANK YOU.
04:43:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, COUNCILMAN
04:43:56 CARLSON.
04:43:57 JUST AN FYI.
04:43:58 CDTV, AROUND 5:30 OR SO, NEEDS A BREAK BECAUSE THEY HAVE
04:44:04 TO CHANGE TAPES AND WHATNOT AND WE HAVE --
04:44:07 >>LUIS VIERA: POINT OF ORDER AGAIN, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.
04:44:10 AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS AGAIN.
04:44:11 I NEED TO LEAVE CLOSE TO 6:00 P.M. FOR SOMETHING FOR MY
04:44:15 SON THAT I PROMISED HIM WITH AN ACTIVITY THAT IS A
04:44:18 OPERATOR FOR ME, AND THERE WAS AN ITEM PULLED THAT IS FOR
04:44:22 MY DISTRICT AND JUST MAKING SURE WE GET THERE.
04:44:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE.
04:44:25 ITEM 15 WE'LL TAKE UP NEXT.
04:44:27 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, OR WE'LL TAKE IT UP AFTER THIS.
04:44:30 GO AHEAD, CARLSON AND THEN DINGFELDER.
04:44:33 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK -- I APOLOGIZE ALREADY FOR
04:44:38 TAKING SO MUCH TIME, BUT IF WE HAD BEEN BRIEFED ON THIS A
04:44:41 MONTH AGO AND WE HAD LOTS OF TIME TO DISCUSS IT, AND
04:44:45 OTHER PUBLIC FORUMS TO DISCUSS IT, IT WOULDN'T TAKE SO
04:44:47 MUCH TIME.
04:44:48 CHIEF BENNETT, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF MY
04:44:54 COLLEAGUES WOULD EVEN APPROVE THESE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
04:44:57 MAKE THOSE FOUR LITTLE ADDITIONS.
04:44:59 I CAN MAKE THEM AS PART OF THE MOTION AMENDMENT, I CAN
04:45:01 MAKE IT A SEPARATE MOTION AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE
04:45:04 MAYOR, NOT TO THE MAYOR BUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION, OR WE
04:45:08 COULD DELAY FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE CAN ALL HAVE
04:45:10 CONVERSATION AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE ARE OTHER PARTS THAT
04:45:13 MY COLLEAGUES WANT, IF THEY WOULD PROPOSE PUTTING IN A
04:45:17 MOTION, AND THEN YOU ALL PROPOSE IT TO US.
04:45:19 WHAT IS YOUR REFERENCE ON THAT?
04:45:21 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, MARTIN SHELBY.
04:45:23 MAY I JUST BE HEARD ON THIS?
04:45:27 YOU ARE ON ITEMS 62 AND 63 ON THE AGENDA.
04:45:31 THEY ARE BOTH RESOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO
04:45:33 YOU.
04:45:33 THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
04:45:37 SO WHATEVER MOTION, ASIDE FROM THAT, WOULD EITHER BE
04:45:44 SEPARATE TO IT, BECAUSE YOUR OPTIONS HERE, I GUESS
04:45:48 BESIDES CONTINUING IT, ARE TO APPROVE IT OR DENY IT
04:45:50 BECAUSE IT'S PRESENTED AND IT'S BEEN NEGOTIATE AS MS.
04:45:55 ZELMAN HAS STATED.
04:45:57 SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE ISSUES,
04:46:00 AND MOTIONS, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT PLEASE PUT IT IN THE
04:46:03 CONTEXT OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE YOU SO YOU CAN
04:46:06 GOVERN YOURSELVES ACCORDINGLY IN DEALING WITH THESE TWO
04:46:08 ITEMS.
04:46:08 >>BILL CARLSON: CHIEF BENNETT, WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE OR
04:46:14 RECOMMENDATION?
04:46:15 >>JOHN BENNETT: NAIVE OBJECTION TO BE WHAT YOU BROUGHT
04:46:20 UP.
04:46:20 I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD AGREE TO ALL OF THOSE
04:46:22 FOUR ITEMS THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED US TO LOOK AT.
04:46:26 THE AESTHETICS, THE COMMUNITY, THE AMENITIES, AND THE
04:46:30 FRONT END OF THE RFP DISCUSSIONS.
04:46:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YOUR HAND IS
04:46:35 UP.
04:46:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO BILL, I DIDN'T MENTION YOUR ITEMS,
04:46:43 BUT THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO
04:46:47 CONSIDER.
04:46:49 JOHN BENNETT, PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES.
04:46:58 IF STAFF KNEW THIS WITH 6 OR 7 DAYS TO MAKE A DECISION ON
04:47:05 A $100 MILLION ISSUE, I JUST HAVE A FEELING YOU MIGHT SAY
04:47:10 YOU NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT ALL THE DETAILS.
04:47:14 AND I THINK BACK TO A COUPLE OF US ARE SAYING I.CAN'T
04:47:19 SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY BUT I SURE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF
04:47:21 HESITATION ON THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME AND INFORMATION
04:47:26 THAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING, AND AGAIN I AM NOT BEING
04:47:28 CRITICAL OF ANYBODY.
04:47:30 EVERYBODY IS BUSY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
04:47:33 BUT I AM SURE THE MAYOR WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE A
04:47:36 UNANIMOUS VOTE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AS OPPOSED TO A VERY
04:47:41 HESITANT VOTE TODAY.
04:47:42 AND THIS IS NOT COUNCILMAN GUDES AND SEVERAL OTHERS
04:47:45 STATED IT VERY WELL.
04:47:47 THIS IS NOT A $6 MILLION DECISION TODAY, THIS IS A $100
04:47:52 MILLION DECISION TODAY.
04:47:54 THE MINUTE WE DIP OUR FEET IN THE POOL, WE HAVE JUMPED
04:47:56 IN.
04:47:58 SO THAT THE WOULD BE MY REQUEST, PUT IT OFF FOR TWO
04:48:04 WEEKS.
04:48:05 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY ABOUT A PENDING DEAL FALLING
04:48:07 APART, OR SOME OTHER SORT OF EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT
04:48:12 SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IT TODAY.
04:48:14 BUT THAT'S MY REQUEST.
04:48:15 >>JOHN BENNETT: IF I COULD RESPOND, CHAIR.
04:48:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
04:48:22 >>JOHN BENNETT: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AND THE REST OF
04:48:24 COUNCIL, I CAN TELL YOU, WORKING WITH MR. ROGERO AND THE
04:48:28 FACILITIES GROUP, THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO OBJECT IF
04:48:30 THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL IS ASKING.
04:48:32 AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY.
04:48:34 BUT ONE THING I WANT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD IS WE DIDN'T
04:48:37 SIT ON THIS FOR TWO MONTHS.
04:48:39 WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU AS QUICK AS WE GOT IT IN AS A
04:48:42 STAFF.
04:48:43 WE REALIZE BRINGING TO THE A VOTE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT
04:48:45 THAN BRINGING IT TO YOU AND SAYING WE ARE GOING TO ASK
04:48:47 YOU TOCK VOTE ON THIS IN TWO WEEKS.
04:48:50 THE REASON WE ARE DOING THAT, AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO BE
04:48:52 AN AGILE HIGH-PERFORMANCE GOVERNMENT, AND I REALIZE THIS
04:48:57 IS A $100 MILLION PROJECT.
04:49:00 AND I GUESS MY ONLY RESPONSE WOULD BE TO YOU, COUNCILMAN
04:49:02 DINGFELDER, IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHO I WAS TALKING TO, TO
04:49:06 MAKE THAT DECISION.
04:49:06 AND I AM HOPING THAT, LIKE I SAID, I WOULDN'T BRING
04:49:10 ANYTHING OR SUPPORT ANYTHING COMING TO YOU THAT I DIDN'T
04:49:12 THINK HAD THE BEST INTENTIONS, BUT ALSO I WANT TO GO ON
04:49:16 THE RECORD AND NOT DISAGREE WITH TWO WEEKS IF THAT'S WHAT
04:49:19 YOU FEEL IS NECESSARY TO GET A UNANIMOUS VOTE, BECAUSE
04:49:21 THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE
04:49:24 PERSONNEL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO EVERYTHING WE HAVE TALKED
04:49:26 ABOUT TODAY
04:49:32 SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT WERE
04:49:32 SAID. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS IN A
04:49:37 COOPERATIVE WAY, WE YIELD TO COUNCIL'S REQUEST.
04:49:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
04:49:43 >>BILL CARLSON: CHIEF BENNETT, I HAVE THE UTMOST RESPECT
04:49:48 FOR YOU AND THE MAYOR, AND THIS ON THE SURFACE SOUNDS
04:49:51 LIKE A GOOD PROJECT, AND I APPRECIATE STAFF THAT WORKED
04:49:54 ON IT AND ACTIVITY THEY PUT INTO IT.
04:49:58 FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY, I WAS BRIEFED YESTERDAY.
04:50:00 I WASN'T EVEN ABLE TO TALK TO ANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO
04:50:03 ASK THEM WHAT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
04:50:05 AND I THINK FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY AND FOR
04:50:09 TRANSPARENCY THAT WE SHOULD REVISIT IT AGAIN IN TWO
04:50:14 WEEKS.
04:50:14 HOPEFULLY THE CONVERSATION WILL NOT BE AS LONG BECAUSE WE
04:50:16 WILL HAVE ALL THE CONVERSATION PRIVATELY WITH YOU ALL.
04:50:19 BUT I DON'T KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES WILL SUPPORT IT BUT I
04:50:21 WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS FOR TWO
04:50:24 WEEKS.
04:50:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARCH 18th UNDER STAFF REPORTS?
04:50:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 62 AND 63 THAT GO TOGETHER?
04:50:33 >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO CONTINUE
04:50:36 THIS TO MARCH 18th UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
04:50:40 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
04:50:42 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
04:50:44 ALL IN FAVOR?
04:50:45 ANY OPPOSED?
04:50:49 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU 2021 SPEAK, SIR?
04:50:54 UNMUTE YOURSELF.
04:50:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE VOTE ON THAT?
04:50:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT SEEMED UNANIMOUS BUT I DON'T
04:50:59 KNOW, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA --
04:51:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST 2021 SAY, I HAVE ALL THE
04:51:08 CONFIDENCE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, AND MAYOR CASTOR
04:51:11 ADMINISTRATION.
04:51:12 I BELIEVE, AND JOHN BENNETT, I DON'T KNOW HOW HE CAN KEEP
04:51:17 UP THE HOURS THAT HE WORKS, AND HANDLE SO MANY THINGS.
04:51:22 AND IT'S A SPECIAL TIME FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ANY
04:51:27 GOVERNMENT WOULD WANT.
04:51:29 BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE DEALT WITH MANY
04:51:32 ADMINISTRATIONS, AND HEARD THE SAME THING AT LEAST ONCE,
04:51:36 TWICE A MONTH ABOUT PAST ADMINISTRATIONS, AND IF YOU SAW
04:51:41 SOMETHING TODAY FOR A DOLLAR AND YOU THINK YOU GOT -- A
04:51:44 DOLLAR TEN, SO IF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL SOLD ANYTHING OR
04:51:53 DID ANYTHING CROOKED, YOU FILE CHARGES WITH THE PROPER
04:51:57 AUTHORITIES THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF INVESTIGATING ELECTED
04:52:00 OFFICIALS.
04:52:00 I AM GETTING TIRED OF LISTENING ABOUT PAST
04:52:02 ADMINISTRATIONS WITH NO ACTION, AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING
04:52:06 THAT IS REALLY A FACT THAT SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING
04:52:10 ILLEGALLY, THEN FILE A CHARGE, CALL THE AUTHORITIES.
04:52:12 CALL THE FBI.
04:52:13 CALL WHOEVER YOU ARE GOING TO CALL.
04:52:14 BUT LET'S GO FORWARD.
04:52:16 FORGET ABOUT LOOKING BACK.
04:52:19 IF YOU ARE LOOKING BACK, WATCH OUT.
04:52:21 GO FORWARD. CONTINUE FORWARD.
04:52:25 AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT TO SAY.
04:52:27 AND I GOT NO ANIMOSITY AGAINST NO ONE.
04:52:30 IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY, THEN CALL THE AUTHORITIES.
04:52:33 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
04:52:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: REAL QUICKLY, DOES THE CITY OF TAMPA
04:52:38 STILL OWE ANYTHING ON THE BIG BLUE?
04:52:45 AND THAT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION, BUT HOPEFULLY ANYTHING
04:52:48 THAT GETS SOLD, BECAUSE WHATEVER THAT BUILDING SOLD FOR,
04:52:51 HOPEFULLY WE USE THAT TO PAY OFF THAT BOND.
04:52:54 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
04:52:55 >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND IF I CAN SPEAK TO THE FUNDING.
04:53:03 THANK YOU, SIR.
04:53:03 I APPRECIATE THE SENSITIVITY TO WHAT MAY END UP BEING
04:53:06 OVER $100 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
04:53:09 I JUST -- AND YOU MAY RECALL THIS FROM LAST YEAR.
04:53:14 IN THE COURSE OF BRINGING TO YOU 100 OR OVER $100 MILLION
04:53:19 WORTH OF DEBT OR MAYBE DEBT ISSUANCES, WE WOULD BE
04:53:22 PROVIDING A GREAT DEAL OF DETAILED EXPLANATION AND
04:53:26 INFORMATION.
04:53:27 YOU MAY RECALL IT AGAIN FROM THE PIPES PROJECT LAST YEAR.
04:53:30 AND YOU HEARD THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS A BREAKDOWN OF THE
04:53:35 SAVINGS AND EXPENSES ASSOCIATED.
04:53:37 SO WE WILL BE PROVIDING A LOT OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION.
04:53:41 THANK YOU, SIR.
04:53:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
04:53:44 THE VOTE WAS TAKEN.
04:53:45 I BELIEVE IT WAS UNANIMOUS TO CONTINUE THIS FOR TWO
04:53:48 WEEKS.
04:53:49 AND THAT SETTLES THAT.
04:53:50 LET'S GET FOR THE SAKE OF, WELL, TIME, LET'S GET TO ITEM
04:53:55 NUMBER 15.
04:53:56 THERE WAS PULLED BY COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER.
04:54:02 IT IS IN COUNCILMEMBER VIERA'S AREA, AS WELL AS MINE.
04:54:08 ITEM NUMBER 15.
04:54:13 I BELIEVE IT WAS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT.
04:54:25 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WITH THE $2.7 MILLION CONTRACT WITH
04:54:31 ARMENIA AND BUSCH, AMERICAN PIPELINE CONSTRUCTION?
04:54:36 MR. HART.
04:54:37 >>GREGORY HART: GREGORY HART, MANAGER, EQUAL BUSINESS
04:54:43 OPPORTUNITY.
04:54:49 I CAN OFFER SOME ADDITIONAL INSIGHT ON THIS PROJECT.
04:54:52 THIS PROJECT 20-C-00039 IS EQUALLY FUNDED BY DOT AND CITY
04:54:58 OF TAMPA.
04:55:00 THEREFORE, WE HAVE FEDERAL DBE PROGRAM GUIDELINES IN
04:55:04 EFFECT AS WELL.
04:55:10 THE OVERALL CONTRACT PARTICIPATION IS 100%.
04:55:13 THE CONTRACTOR IS CITY NBE CERTIFIED, AND THEY ARE D.O.T.
04:55:20 CERTIFIED DBE HISPANIC.
04:55:24 THE PRIME IS AND HAS ACHIEVED 24% SUBCONTRACTING WITH
04:55:30 CITY WMBEs.
04:55:32 AND SO THE BID AND THE CONTRACTOR ARE IN FULL COMPLAINS
04:55:37 WITH THIS SOLICITATION, AND THAT IS THE LEVEL OF
04:55:40 PARTICIPATION, 100% OVERALL.
04:55:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
04:55:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
04:56:01 I WASN'T AWARE ANYBODY KNEW WHY I PULLED THIS ITEM.
04:56:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE KNOW.
04:56:06 WE KNOW.
04:56:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE KNOW.
04:56:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EVERYBODY IS PSYCHIC.
04:56:15 NO, IN 100% SERIOUSNESS ON THIS. THERE'S ZERO BBE, ZERO
04:56:21 BLACK BUSINESS PARTICIPATION, I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE
04:56:24 PLENTY OF HISPANIC AND ASIAN AND OTHER PARTICIPATION, BUT
04:56:29 ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE GOT A $3 MILLION CONTRACT, I GUESS WE
04:56:34 ARE SHARING WITH THE D.O.T.
04:56:38 AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP.
04:56:41 IT SHOULDN'T BE ON CONSENT.
04:56:44 AND IT NEEDS TO BE AIRED OUT AND FLUSHED OUT.
04:56:49 THAT'S ALL.
04:56:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.
04:56:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WASN'T HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, I
04:56:59 KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THAT AND HAD
04:57:02 A GOOD CONVERSATION, MR. SPEARMAN.
04:57:04 WHAT I HEAR FROM A LOT OF THESE PRIME CONTRACTORS, YOU
04:57:08 WANT TO CALL IT, THEY ALWAYS SAY, WELL, THE CITY SAYS IF
04:57:17 I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I NEEDED TO HAVE NBE, I WOULD HAVE
04:57:25 MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
04:57:27 I HEAR THAT CONSTANTLY.
04:57:28 SO I WANT TO BE KNOW WHERE THE BREAKDOWN IS.
04:57:31 HAVE YOU HEARD THAT BEFORE?
04:57:33 NO ONE TOLD US WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE THAT OR HAVE THAT.
04:57:36 SO I AM JUST WONDERING, HOW DO WE KEEP HAVING THIS
04:57:43 MISCOMMUNICATION, FP OR RFQ, THIS COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN
04:57:49 THAT NOBODY KNOWS THAT THIS COUNCIL IS REQUIRING, ASKING
04:57:52 THAT WE HAVE DBE IN THESE CONTRACTS, THESE WELL FUNDED
04:57:57 CONTRACTS, AND NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO BE ME
04:58:00 YET, BUT YET I HAVE ALL THESE CONTRACTS SAYING, NO ONE
04:58:04 HAS EVER TOLD ME WE NEEDED TO INCLUDE THAT, WE HAVE
04:58:07 ALWAYS DONE IT THIS WAY.
04:58:08 SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO IT A NEW WAY?
04:58:11 I JUST WANT SOMEBODY TO JUST TELL ME HOW WE ARE GOING TO
04:58:14 DO IT A NEW WAY.
04:58:15 I MEAN, WE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
04:58:18 BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ROAD BUILDING, SIDEWALKS.
04:58:22 I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE CAN DO ROADWORK, SIDEWALKS,
04:58:26 DRIVEWAYS, AND CURBS, GUTTERS, ALL THE STUFF I AM SEEING
04:58:29 HERE.
04:58:30 SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE DON'T -- I MEAN, YOU
04:58:33 CAN HAVE ANYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE.
04:58:36 ASIAN, ANYBODY, HISPANIC.
04:58:40 SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE KEEP MISSING THE BBE.
04:58:45 EVEN IN YOUR JOC, NO BBE. I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME,
04:58:49 IF YOU CAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES, BUT WE ARE
04:58:54 STILL MISSING THE MARK.
04:58:55 BUT YET PEOPLE TELL US AND CALL THIS COUNCIL, WHEN WE
04:58:58 PULL THESE CONTRACTS, AND WE SAY WE ARE PUTTING A HOLD ON
04:59:01 IT, LIENS, NO ONE TOLD US THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE THERE.
04:59:05 WE CAN DO IT BUT NO ONE TOLD US WE NEED TO DO IT.
04:59:08 SO IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT, SOMEBODY ON STAFF, MAYBE
04:59:12 WE CAN STOP ALL OF THIS.
04:59:14 AND I AM NOT PICKING ON YOU OR ANYBODY BUT YOU WANT TO
04:59:16 KNOW HOW WE KEEP MISSING THE MARK ON THIS.
04:59:19 >>GREG SPEARMAN: COUNCILMAN GUDES, EVERY CONTRACT THAT
04:59:23 HAS A SUBCONTRACT GOAL DOES INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT
04:59:27 ARTICULATES THE EXPECTED PARTICIPATION BASED ON THE GOAL,
04:59:32 THE NARROWLY TAILORED GOAL THAT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED,
04:59:35 THE NARROWLY TAILORED GOAL AS DETERMINED BY THE TASK AND
04:59:40 THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THE READY, WILLING AND ABLE
04:59:45 CERTIFIED COPES COMPANIES THAT CAN ALIGN WITH THOSE
04:59:48 TASKS, AND TAKE THIS PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONTRACT
04:59:56 HAS RELOCATION, SINGLE LOCATION, BOX CULVERT ACTIVITY,
05:00:01 AND IN THEIR OUTREACH THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY READY,
05:00:05 WILLING AND ABLE CERTIFIED FIRMS TO ALIGN WITH THOSE
05:00:09 TASKS.
05:00:10 ALSO, IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THAT IT
05:00:14 IS DULY FUNDED BY D.O.T. AND THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES DO
05:00:20 REQUIRE AN ALL INCLUSIVE EFFORT, OUTREACH, AND DOES NOT
05:00:25 SPECIFY ONE CONTRACTOR OVER THE OTHER.
05:00:39 BUT AGAIN IN SUMMARY, EACH PROCUREMENT DOES SPECIFICALLY
05:00:47 VERY CLEARLY WHAT THE NARROWLY TAILORED GOAL IS AND
05:00:51 WHAT'S REQUIRED ON THE PART OF THE CONTRACTOR TO SATISFY
05:00:52 THAT LEGAL REQUIREMENT.
05:00:54 SO I WOULD CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING UP WITH
05:01:00 ANY PRIME CONTRACTOR WHO IS STATING THAT THAT INFORMATION
05:01:05 AND THAT DIRECTION IS LACKING IN OUR CITY OF TAMPA
05:01:09 CONTRACT LANGUAGE.
05:01:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OBVIOUSLY THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND.
05:01:16 SO WHAT ARE THE KEY WORDS WE ARE USING FOR OUR GOAL TO
05:01:20 SAY WE ARE LAG TO HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD PARTICIPATION
05:01:22 WITH MINORITIES, ASIAN, BLACK, WHATEVER.
05:01:26 WHAT IS THE PURPOSE, SIR, SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND?
05:01:30 BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING, APPARENTLY.
05:01:35 >>GREG SPEARMAN: FIRST AND FOREMOST, THERE IS A SPECIFIC
05:01:37 CAVEAT THAT STATES WHAT THE GOAL IS.
05:01:40 AND THAT GOAL IS FURTHER EXPLAINED IN TERMS OF WHAT
05:01:44 CERTIFIED FIRM AVAILABILITY MAKES UP THAT GOAL.
05:01:47 ADDITIONALLY, IN THE BID DOCUMENT WE PROVIDE WHAT IS
05:01:50 REFERRED TO AS THE DISPARITY REQUIREMENTS AND GUIDELINES
05:01:53 FOR SUBCONTRACT CERTIFIED PARTICIPATION.
05:01:57 AND THAT MAY TRIGGER, LET'S THE PRIME BIDDER KNOW
05:02:02 SPECIFICALLY, BASED ON THE TASK, AND THE SCOPE OF WORK,
05:02:07 WHICH UNDERUTILIZED GROUPS THEY MUST TARGET FIRST FOR
05:02:11 INCLUSION, AND THEN WE HAVE AFFIDAVITS THAT ARE COMPLETED
05:02:17 WITH SUPPORTING INFORMATION ON WHO THEY CONTACTED, AND
05:02:20 THEN WHO THEY INTEND TO UTILIZE IF IN FACT THEY ARE
05:02:24 AWARDED THE CONTRACT.
05:02:25 WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE IN THE BID DOCUMENT WHAT WE REFER TO
05:02:27 AS A MINIMUM CONTACT LIST WHEREBY WE ACTUALLY, FOR LACK
05:02:33 OF A BETTER WORD, WE WILL HOLD THEIR HANDS AND PROVIDE
05:02:35 THEM WITH A LIST OF COMPANIES, DBEs, HBEs OR WBEs,
05:02:44 WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT WE REQUIRE THEM TO
05:02:46 CONTACT, TO LET THOSE SUBS KNOW OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT
05:02:50 THIS PROCUREMENT PRESENTS.
05:02:52 AND SO PART OF THAT CONFIRMATION IS THAT WE WILL, ONCE
05:02:57 THOSE BIDS COME IN, WE SEND OUT A SURVEY TO ASK THOSE
05:03:02 SUBS, DID SOMEBODY CONTACT YOU?
05:03:04 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STEPS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE BID
05:03:07 DOCUMENTS, AND I CAN GO ON AND ON THAT DO ARTICULATE AND
05:03:11 GIVE THE BIDDERS VERY CLEAR INSTRUCTION, AND IF THEY
05:03:15 CHOOSE NOT TO FOLLOW THOSE INSTRUCTIONS OR READ THE BID
05:03:17 DOCUMENTS, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND,
05:03:20 THAT THEY BE REJECTED FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION BECAUSE
05:03:24 THEY ARE NOT MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR PARTICIPATION.
05:03:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HEAR A LOT, AND IT'S KIND OF FRENCH
05:03:38 TO ME SO I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
05:03:40 BUT IF WE LOOK AT IT, AND I SEE THESE NUMBERS, ISN'T IT
05:03:46 UP TO YOUR OFFICE TO SAY, WELL, SOMETHING IS MISSING
05:03:52 HERE, THIS NEEDS TO GO BACK, WE NEED TO REJECT THIS?
05:03:56 I AM JUST ASKING.
05:03:56 >>GREG SPEARMAN: WHEN A CONTRACT IS FOUND TO BE NOT
05:04:00 COMPLIANT WITH OUR GOOD FAITH OUTREACH WE DO ISSUE A MEMO
05:04:04 FINDING THEM NONCOMPLIANT, AND WE RECOMMEND TO THE
05:04:06 PROCURING DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CONSIDER THE NEXT LOW
05:04:09 BIDDER, OR REBID, IF THE ADMINISTRATION CHOOSES TO DO SO.
05:04:13 SO, YES, THERE IS AN AUDIT TRAIL THAT ADDRESSES THOSE
05:04:19 ISSUES.
05:04:25 IF I MAY, IF WE HAVE A MOMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP
05:04:28 HR WITH COUNCIL, IF I CAN HAVE SHARED ACCESS.
05:04:37 CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT?
05:04:40 >> NOT YET.
05:04:43 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THAT MATRIX.
05:04:44 NOT YET?
05:04:45 OKAY.
05:04:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WE GO.
05:04:47 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THERE WE GO.
05:04:49 IS IT STILL THERE?
05:04:50 I LOST IT MYSELF.
05:04:51 >> YES, WE SEE IT.
05:04:57 >>GREG SPEARMAN: GREAT.
05:04:58 I WANTED TO SHARE THIS CHART WITH COUNCIL THAT SHOWS HOW
05:05:01 EACH AGENDA ITEM ROLLS UP TO OVERALL EBO PARTICIPATION
05:05:06 FOR THE TOTAL MEETING AGENDA, LIKE TODAY.
05:05:08 AND THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE HERE IS THAT PERHAPS NOT
05:05:13 EVERY AGENDA ITEM THAT YOU FACE DURING YOUR MEETING IS
05:05:16 GOING TO YIELD THE KIND OF PARTICIPATION THAT WE ALL HOPE
05:05:18 FOR, BUT WITH ALL OF THE ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA, WE WILL BE
05:05:24 ABLE TO SEE JUST HOW OUTCOMES ARE PROGRESSING WITH DB
05:05:32 PARTICIPATION, HB PARTICIPATION AND LIKE.
05:05:34 SO VERY QUICKLY, I WOULD LIKE TO -- THE CHARTER IS AN
05:05:38 OVERVIEW OF THE ITEMS ON COUNCIL'S AGENDA.
05:05:42 IT SPECIFICALLY S&M SUMMARIZES ITEMS ELIGIBLE TO OVERLAY
05:05:45 THE CITY'S EBO SPECIFICS, ON THE COMPETITIVE
05:05:48 PROCUREMENTS.
05:05:50 IT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THOSE NONCOMPETITIVE TAPE OF
05:05:54 PROCUREMENTS LIKE STATE CONTRACTS, SOLE SOURCES AND THE
05:05:58 LIKE WHICH ARE NOT COMPETITIVE.
05:06:00 BUT FIRST LET ME JUST SHARE REAL QUICK, IF MY CURSOR IS
05:06:04 WORKING HERE, I WANT TO POINT TO THE FEW ELIGIBLE
05:06:07 PROCUREMENT TYPES WHERE WE WANTED TO OVERLAY WMBE
05:06:12 SPECIFICATIONS, BUT THE SCOPE DID NOT MEET THE
05:06:14 REQUIREMENTS TO DO SO.
05:06:17 THIS IS ONE HERE.
05:06:18 IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR US TO OVERLAY IT A REQUIREMENT, BUT
05:06:23 THE SCOPE DIDN'T MEET PARAMETERS.
05:06:25 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
05:06:28 THAT MAY MANY THERE WEREN'T ANY WILLING AND READY FIRMS,
05:06:32 AND IF THERE WASN'T ANY AVAILABILITY FOR TYPE OF TASK OR
05:06:34 WORK THAT WAS REQUIRED, OR WE HAD NO SUBCONTRACT ALONG
05:06:37 WITH TWO OR MORE CERTIFIED FIRMS.
05:06:40 AND THEN A COUPLE OF THOSE THINGS -- HERE IS AT ONE HERE,
05:06:43 A COMPETITIVE BID BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE RECOLLECTION
05:06:46 QUIZ IT'S REQUIREMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE EBO PARAMETERS.
05:06:50 AND HERE IS ANOTHER.
05:06:50 NOW THIS IS TODAY'S AGENDA.
05:06:52 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PROCUREMENTS ON YOUR AGENDA
05:06:55 WHERE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENFORCE ONE OF OUR EBO
05:07:00 PROGRAM INITIATIVES, AS WITH THIS ONE, THERE'S A GOAL
05:07:04 SET.
05:07:06 24% GOAL.
05:07:08 HERE IS ANOTHER.
05:07:09 27% GOAL WITH 16.9% DBE.
05:07:12 HERE IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO SHELTER 100%
05:07:16 DBE.
05:07:16 WE WERE ABLE TO SHELTER BECAUSE IT MET THE LEGAL
05:07:19 REQUIREMENTS TO DO SO.
05:07:20 HERE IS ANOTHER.
05:07:21 ALL IN ALL, THE OUTCOME OF THE CITY'S EFFORTS ON THIS
05:07:25 AGENDA ITEM, ON THIS AGENDA ALONE, NETS -- I GOT
05:07:36 SOMETHING IN THE WAY ON MY SCREEN HERE.
05:07:38 IT NETS 27.9% PARTICIPATION ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY OF ALL
05:07:43 THE ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, WHERE WE HAVE
05:07:50 ELIGIBLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY'S PROGRAM AND WHAT'S
05:07:53 GRADUATE IS THAT THE WMBE LED THE WIMBE SCORING WITH
05:08:00 PARTICIPATION.
05:08:00 OUR CERTIFIED FUND CARRY THE BATTING AVERAGE ON THIS
05:08:03 AGENDA ALONE.
05:08:05 AND WHAT I HOPE TO SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR,
05:08:11 IN EACH OF YOUR AGENDA ITEMS, IS THAT I AM GOING TRACK
05:08:14 THIS BATTING AVERAGE, IF YOU WILL.
05:08:18 THERE WILL BE SOME AGENDA ITEMS WHERE PERHAPS ABEs MAY
05:08:23 CARRY THE BATTING AVERAGE.
05:08:24 OTHER TIMES IT MAY BE ANOTHER GROUP.
05:08:26 BUT WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, WE ARE GOING TO
05:08:28 EMPHASIZE DB PARTICIPATION AND THE LIKE BUT IT HAS TO BE
05:08:32 BASED ON NARROWLY TAILORED UNDERUTILIZED CRITERIA SO WE
05:08:37 CAN BE A DEFENSIBLE PROGRAM AND HAVE A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME
05:08:41 AT THE END OF THE SEASON, IF YOU WILL.
05:08:43 SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU AND LET YOU KNOW
05:08:46 THAT WHILE ONE OF THE PROJECTS, ONE.
05:08:49 AGENDA ITEMS THAT MAY NOT SHOW CERTAIN PARTICIPATION, WE
05:08:52 ARE CONSTANTLY GOING TO BE REINFORCING IT, AND THERE WILL
05:08:55 BE TIMES WHEN DBEs LEAD THE PACK AND THERE MAY BE TIMES
05:08:59 WHEN THEY MAY NOT.
05:09:00 SO I HOPE THAT GIVES US SOME IDEA OF HOW WE ARE TRYING TO
05:09:04 MONITOR AND TRACK EQUAL BUSINESS PARTICIPATION.
05:09:10 THANK YOU, SIR.
05:09:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, YES, SIR.
05:09:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
05:09:14 AND I WILL BE BRIEF.
05:09:15 CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE?
05:09:23 THAT'S THE NEW SCORECARD.
05:09:25 I HEARD ABOUT IT.
05:09:26 I AM NOT SURE I HAVE SEEN IT BUT I APPRECIATE THE WORK
05:09:29 THAT GOES INTO IT.
05:09:30 IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE DOING THAT ON A WEEKLY BASIS, AT
05:09:33 LEAST AN EVERY-OTHER-WEEK BASIS IN TRACKING OUR REGULAR
05:09:36 MEETING.
05:09:37 I WOULD SUGGEST, WHY DON'T YOU PROVIDE THAT A WEEK OR TWO
05:09:44 BEFORE EACH OF OUR REGULAR MEETINGS FOR THE UPCOMING
05:09:49 AGENDA, IF YOU ARE PREPARING IT, WHY NOT PROVIDE IT TO
05:09:52 COUNCIL?
05:09:53 THAT WAY, AS A MEMO, OR AN E-MAIL OR WHATEVER, AND THEN
05:09:58 THAT WAY, WE CAN SEE YOUR POSITIVE SPIN ON THAT, AND THAT
05:10:06 MIGHT TEMPER OH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.
05:10:09 WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR CHART, AND I CAN'T SEE
05:10:13 THE DETAILS.
05:10:17 YOU WILL BELIEVE YOU, BUT I JUST CAN'T READ IT THAT
05:10:20 CLOSELY.
05:10:22 EVEN BLOWN UP.
05:10:24 BUT ANYWAY, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
05:10:26 WE ALL LIKE DATA.
05:10:30 JOHN BENNETT LIKES DATA.
05:10:32 THIS IS GOOD DATA.
05:10:33 BUT MAYBE PROVIDE IT TO US ON A REGULAR BASIS WOULD BE
05:10:38 GOOD.
05:10:38 >>GREG SPEARMAN: YES, INDEED.
05:10:41 THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE PROVIDED.
05:10:43 IT IS A MATRIX THAT WE ARE ABLE TO COMPILE AT THE BACK
05:10:48 END WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION APPROVES THEIR AGENDA, AND
05:10:52 THEN I CAN GO IN AND PROVIDE IT.
05:10:56 SO IT WILL LIKELY BE PROVIDED TO YOU JUST BEFORE YOUR
05:11:01 SCHEDULED MEETING, PERHAPS A DAY OR TWO, IF NOT SOONER.
05:11:05 YES, SIR.
05:11:06 THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
05:11:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:11:09 ALSO, WHEN WE READ THE REPORT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE
05:11:12 WAS NO COMPANY, A PRIME OR SUBCONTRACTORS, BBE, AT ALL.
05:11:20 I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INDICATED, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO
05:11:23 FIND ANYBODY THAT COULD DO THAT TASK.
05:11:25 THAT WAY, WE WON'T QUESTION, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ANYBODY
05:11:28 THERE?
05:11:29 AT LEAST PUT IN SOME TYPE OF SPECIAL ASSISTANT AND
05:11:33 THERE'S NOBODY TO DO THIS WORK.
05:11:37 YES, THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE OR CONTRACT WORK,
05:11:40 SOMEONE IS -- YOU CAN'T FILL IT BECAUSE NO ONE IS
05:11:44 QUALIFIED TO DO IT, YOU CAN'T FIND ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO
05:11:46 IT.
05:11:46 THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE THINGS.
05:11:50 BUT WHEN YOU READ THE MATERIAL HERE AND YOU SEE CERTAIN
05:11:52 THINGS, HOW COULD THAT BE THAT NO ONE CAN'T DO CERTAIN
05:11:55 THINGS WHEN I READ THIS, IF -- ARE WE CHECKING TO MAKE
05:12:00 SURE THAT'S ACCURATE?
05:12:01 ARE THEY REALLY LOOKING?
05:12:02 THAT'S WHERE I AM TALKING ABOUT.
05:12:05 AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE TIMES THAT YOU WON'T FIND
05:12:07 ANYBODY TO COME TO WORK.
05:12:10 AND IF YOU INDICATE THAT.
05:12:11 SO I DON'T QUESTION YOU AND CALL YOU, HEY, NOBODY DOES
05:12:15 THAT SCOPE OF WORK, SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.
05:12:18 THANK YOU, CHAIR.
05:12:18 >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS RESOLUTION, ITEM NUMBER
05:12:22 15?
05:12:23 >> SO MOVED.
05:12:24 >> COUNCILMAN VIERA.
05:12:25 SECOND BY CITRO.
05:12:27 ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:12:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
05:12:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO WAS THAT A YES?
05:12:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MIRANDA, YES, SIR.
05:12:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY.
05:12:53 I NEED THE MOTION WHAT I AM VOTING ON, PLEASE.
05:12:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS WAS ITEM 15 IT WAS PULLED BY
05:12:59 DINGFELDER FOR DISCUSSION.
05:13:00 >>THE CLERK: DINGFELDER, WAS THAT A YES OR A NO?
05:13:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO.
05:13:06 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.
05:13:07 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
05:13:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
05:13:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
05:13:12 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
05:13:13 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER VOTING NO.
05:13:15 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER.
05:13:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
05:13:20 >>LUIS VIERA: THAT ALL -- STRIKE THAT.
05:13:26 I WAS GOING TO -- FOR ITEMS 72 AND 77, I NEED TO LEAF
05:13:40 CLOSE AT 6.
05:13:41 IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY SHORT.
05:13:42 77, FRANKLY, I THINK OUR FRIENDS -- AND YOU APPRECIATE
05:13:48 THAT.
05:13:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION ON 72, COUNCIL.
05:13:51 IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS A REPORT.
05:13:53 AND IT WAS A REPORT --
05:13:55 >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IN THAT REGARD.
05:13:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO YOU WANT STAFF TO SPEAK TO THAT?
05:14:02 >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY NOT, NO.
05:14:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
05:14:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
05:14:07 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, NOT THAT I AM CHAIR, I MEAN --
05:14:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER TO MAKE
05:14:15 OUR MEETING EVEN BETTER TODAY.
05:14:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE, SIR, GO AHEAD.
05:14:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ITEM 74, UNLESS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS
05:14:24 AN OBJECTION, WROTE I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THAT.
05:14:28 I AM SURE IT'S GOING TO BE LENGTHY.
05:14:30 DEFER IT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL.
05:14:33 FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN APRIL.
05:14:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD THAT BE APRIL 1st,
05:14:36 MR. CHAIRMAN?
05:14:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BELIEVE IT IS APRIL 1st.
05:14:43 THE ANNIVERSARY OF MY SWEARING IN SIX YEARS AGO.
05:14:46 YES, SIR.
05:14:47 SPECIAL DAY.
05:14:47 >> NO OBJECTION TO DEFERRING IT.
05:14:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM DINGFELDER, SECOND BY
05:14:57 CARLSON.
05:14:58 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:14:58 AND I THINK WE COMPLETELY INTERRUPTED VIERA.
05:15:01 >>LUIS VIERA: NO, YOU ARE FINE.
05:15:02 YOU ARE FEIGN.
05:15:03 POINT OF ORDER OVERRIDES EVERYTHING.
05:15:13 77, I THINK THAT'S A MOOT ISSUE.
05:15:16 FOR 72, I READ THE MEMO THERE, AND I AM OF THE BELIEF
05:15:20 THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS WOEFULLY A LACK OF VETERANS
05:15:25 AND PATRIOTIC PUBLIC DISPLAYS WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS
05:15:30 LIKE MEMORIALS, ET CETERA.
05:15:32 WE ALWAYS TEND TO DEFER SO MUCH TO OUR GOOD FRIENDS IN
05:15:37 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR A LOT OF THESE THINGS, THAT I
05:15:39 KNOW UNDER MAYOR CASTOR, REMAINED YOU, EVERYBODY IS
05:15:42 PATRIOTIC, EVERYBODY, ET CETERA, BUT WE JUST DEFER A LOT
05:15:46 TO THE COUNTY.
05:15:47 AND I WISH THAT WE WOULD DO OUR OWN THINGS.
05:15:49 AND I KNOW THAT MAYOR CASTOR HAS JOINED IN A LOT OF THE
05:15:53 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT I DO WITH A LOT OF VETERANS GROUP
05:15:59 AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY AND PROUD OF THAT.
05:16:01 BUT MY POINT IN MAKING THIS MOTION WAS TO BE SEE IF WE
05:16:04 COULD HAVE MORE MARKERS AND MEMORIALS HERE IN THE CITY OF
05:16:06 TAMPA TO TALK ABOUT THE COURAGE AND THE BRAVERY AND THE
05:16:10 HEROISM OF OUR VETERANS.
05:16:12 YOU TAKE FOR EXAMPLE VILLA BROTHERS PARK, I WOULD LOVE TO
05:16:16 SEE THAT PARK NEEDS A LOT OF TLC AND A LOT OF LOVE AND
05:16:21 SUPPORT.
05:16:21 AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.
05:16:23 I KNOW THAT MARCH 13th, I THINK IT IS, WOULD BE
05:16:25 HECTOR VILLA'S 90th BIRTHDAY.
05:16:29 SO I WILL ACCEPT THE MEMO AS IS, BUT WHAT I AM GOING TO
05:16:34 DO IS DO A MOTION FOR THIS ISSUE TO COME BACK TO US, IN
05:16:38 WHAT ARE WE IN, MARCH?
05:16:40 SO LET'S SAY SIX MONTHS, IN THE FIRST MEETING IN
05:16:44 SEPTEMBER, IF I MAY, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THE
05:16:46 ADMINISTRATION IS ON THESE ISSUES.
05:16:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 2nd.
05:16:52 >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO.
05:16:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN
05:16:54 VIERA.
05:16:55 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
05:16:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU REQUESTING FOR CLARIFICATION
05:17:00 PURPOSES, AN UPDATE ON THIS ISSUE?
05:17:03 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
05:17:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.
05:17:05 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.
05:17:06 >> SEPTEMBER 2nd UNDER STAFF REPORTS, COUNCILMAN
05:17:08 VIERA, SECOND BY CITRO.
05:17:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:17:11 ANY OPPOSED?
05:17:12 COUNCILMAN CARLSON?
05:17:14 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY.
05:17:16 YOU WENT THROUGH 77 SO FAST I WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK
05:17:19 COMMENT.
05:17:19 YOU ALL SAW THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MADE A MOTION
05:17:23 YESTERDAY TO REFUND THE MONEY.
05:17:26 I CALLED REPRESENTATIVE FOR TRANSPORTATION AND YOU MAY
05:17:32 HAVE TALKED TO THEM, TOO, BUT INSTEAD OF US MAKING ANY
05:17:35 KIND OF MOTION, THEY WOULD LIKE US TO WAIT AND SEA WHAT
05:17:39 HAPPENS WITH THE COUNTY, AND THEN KIND OF TAKE US FROM
05:17:42 THAT.
05:17:42 SO IF YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, LET US KNOW.
05:17:45 BUT I WANT JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BEFORE WE START GETTING
05:17:48 PRESSURED TO DO SOMETHING.
05:17:49 THANK YOU.
05:17:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF
05:17:58 ORDER.
05:17:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
05:18:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 14TH IS FOR THE GOOD OF ALL.
05:18:03 ITEM 75 IS SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP A LONG TIME AGO ABOUT
05:18:06 CREDIT CARDS AND CHARGES FEES FOR CREDIT CARDS.
05:18:12 IT APPEARS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T NEED CITY
05:18:15 COUNCIL ON THIS AT ALL.
05:18:17 I THINK THEY HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
05:18:19 THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO AND THEY
05:18:21 DON'T NEED TO US WEIGH IN ON IT.
05:18:24 IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE.
05:18:25 AND I ASKED LEGAL ABOUT IT.
05:18:27 SO I AM WILLING TO STRIKE THAT.
05:18:31 SORT OF ASKED AND ANSWERED.
05:18:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO REMOVE?
05:18:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
05:18:35 MOTION.
05:18:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN
05:18:38 MIRANDA.
05:18:38 ALL IN FAVOR?
05:18:39 AND THAT IS TO STRIKE OR REMOVE ITEM 75 FROM THE AGENDA.
05:18:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CORRECT.
05:18:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES CTTV NEED A BREAK TO SWITCH FOR
05:18:55 THE RECORDING OR NO?
05:18:56 I KNOW THEY SAID AROUND 5:30.
05:19:02 ANYBODY IN THE -- OH, THERE YOU ARE.
05:19:05 HERE HE COMES.
05:19:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S A THUMBS UP.
05:19:14 HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
05:19:15 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
05:19:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE ANOTHER 15, 20 MINUTES
05:19:22 BEFORE YOU NEED TO STOP?
05:19:24 ALL RIGHT.
05:19:25 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:19:26 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
05:19:35 >>GINA GRIMES: MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS GINA GRIMES.
05:19:37 SINCE EVERYBODY SEAMS TO BE CLEARING OFF EVERYTHING
05:19:39 THAT'S ON THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR AGENDA, ITEM 76, I THINK,
05:19:43 IS THE ONLY OTHER REMAINING ITEM DEALING WITH ALTERNATIVE
05:19:48 TO THE AB SUSPENSION PROCESS.
05:19:50 AND SUNS WE HAVE A HEARING SCHEDULED FOR MONDAY ON THAT,
05:19:55 ON THE AB SUSPENSION, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO ADDRESS
05:19:59 THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME?
05:20:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, THAT'S A
05:20:04 SPECIAL CALL MEETING AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
05:20:06 MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE -- BY THE WAY, LET ME TAKE
05:20:10 THIS OPPORTUNITY, COUNCIL, TO REMIND YOU EACH OF YOU THAT
05:20:14 MONDAY AT 9 A.M. IS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR YOUR
05:20:17 ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SUSPENSION HEARINGS.
05:20:19 PERHAPS SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, MS. GRIMES, WOULD BE MY
05:20:22 RECOMMENDATION --
05:20:26 >>GINA GRIMES: WE CAN'T CONTINUE IT ACTUAL THEN?
05:20:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING?
05:20:32 >>GINA GRIMES: IT'S ON THE SAME TOPIC.
05:20:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S ON THE SAME TOPIC BUT IT'S ALREADY
05:20:37 A NOTICED PUBLIC MEETING.
05:20:38 I GUESS YOU CAN IF YOU WANT TO BUT THEN IT WOULD FOLLOW
05:20:40 THAT DISCUSSION.
05:20:42 >>GINA GRIMES: A VERBAL REPORT.
05:20:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED?
05:20:50 DO YOU WANT TO DO IT NOW OR WAIT?
05:20:54 >>GINA GRIMES: I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT YOUR SCHEDULE.
05:20:57 YOU CAN WAIT.
05:20:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
05:21:05 LET'S JUST DO IT NOW.
05:21:07 WHY NOT?
05:21:08 CAN YOU DO IT NOW?
05:21:10 ARE YOU READY OR NOT?
05:21:12 >>GINA GRIMES: YES.
05:21:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
05:21:14 >>GINA GRIMES: YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF
05:21:16 CONDUCTING AB SUSPENSION HEARINGS PURSUANT TO CITY OF
05:21:19 TAMPA ZONING CODES, AND YOU ASKED ME TO COME BACK AND
05:21:24 GIVE YOU SOME ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT CURRENT PROCESS.
05:21:27 AND FRANKLY, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT YOU WOULD WANT
05:21:29 TO DELEGATE OR MODIFY THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE AS YOU
05:21:35 PROBABLY COULD SEE, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND
05:21:38 POWERFUL TOOLS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS.
05:21:41 THERE ARE A LOT OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WERE CONCERNED
05:21:43 ABOUT THAT YOU ARE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMITS BEING
05:21:48 SUSPENDED EVEN FOR A DAY.
05:21:50 MANY OF THEM HAVE GOT INTO COMPLIANCE VERY QUICKLY.
05:21:56 AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO AB ESTABLISHMENTS, SOMETIMES A
05:22:01 PROBLEMATIC AREA WHEN IT COMES TO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS
05:22:05 JUST A VERY POWERFUL TOOL.
05:22:06 AND SO AGAIN I WAS SURPRISED THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO
05:22:10 DELEGATE IT TO ANOTHER BODY OR INDIVIDUAL.
05:22:14 AND I ASSUME THAT YOU WERE DOING IT, AT MR. DINGFELDER'S
05:22:20 REQUEST, YOU WERE TRYING TO SAVE TIME.
05:22:22 IS THAT WHAT YOUR INTENT WAS, MR. DINGFELDER?
05:22:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK MY REQUEST IS TO LOOK AT
05:22:32 OPTIONS, TO SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE, SPECIFICALLY, AT THAT
05:22:38 FIRST HEARING, THE VERY, VERY, FIRST ONE WENT ON FOR LIKE
05:22:43 THREE HOURS, AND THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER
05:22:47 TEN.
05:22:48 YES, TIME SEEMED TO BE A CONSIDERATION.
05:22:51 NOW, SUBSEQUENTLY, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES DONE FASTER,
05:22:56 AND I THINK WE CAN CONSIDER WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE.
05:23:03 >>GINA GRIMES: NEXT MONDAY, WE'LL ADDRESS -- THIS WAS A
05:23:06 NEW PROCESS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED FOR PURPOSES OF ENFORCING
05:23:12 ON DEALING WITH MASKS, AND ONCE WE GOT SEVERAL OF THESE
05:23:16 CASES UP AND GOING, WE HAVE A BETTER PROCESS AND I THINK
05:23:20 IT WILL ROLL OUT A LOT QUICKER, ESPECIALLY ON THE
05:23:22 UPCOMING HEARING ON MONDAY.
05:23:25 BUT --
05:23:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THE PROCEDURAL PART THAT MR.
05:23:33 SHELBY HELPED US WITH IDENTIFYING A SEQUENCE AND THAT
05:23:36 SORT OF THING, AND YOUR STAFF AS WELL.
05:23:38 SO I THINK IT'S GOING MUCH BETTER AND MUCH FASTER AND
05:23:43 MAYBE CAN SEE THE CHANGES.
05:23:45 >>GINA GRIMES: OKAY.
05:23:47 AND I THINK KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND TOO WHENEVER
05:23:50 YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH DIFFERENT AB ESTABLISHMENTS,
05:23:53 REMEMBER YOU HAVE THIS TOOL.
05:23:54 AND I AM VERY -- IT'S VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE.
05:23:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
05:24:00 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:24:02 THANK YOU, MS. GRIMES.
05:24:10 ITEM OF 4.
05:24:11 WE HAVE A MEMO FROM ABBYE FEELEY BETWEEN CITY OF TAMPA
05:24:15 SALVATION ARMY.
05:24:15 DO WE HAVE MS. FEELEY ON THE LINE?
05:24:23 IT IS A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION FOR THIS.
05:24:25 DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
05:24:26 >>BILL CARLSON: I AM JUST GLAD THAT CHIEF BENNETT AND
05:24:32 OTHERS IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE
05:24:34 ISSUES OF THE SALVATION ARMY.
05:24:38 THEY ARE PARTNERING WITH ORGANIZATIONS.
05:24:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
05:24:43 IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS --
05:24:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
05:24:51 >> MOTION BY CITRO.
05:24:55 SECOND BY CARLSON.
05:24:56 ROLL CALL VOTE.
05:24:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
05:25:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
05:25:02 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
05:25:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
05:25:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
05:25:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
05:25:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
05:25:12 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
05:25:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:25:15 NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. SPEARMAN ON THE LINE, SEVERAL MILLION
05:25:21 DOLLAR CONTRACT HERE
05:25:27 MR. SPEARMAN, YOU ARE THERE.
05:25:29 GO AHEAD.
05:25:30 >>GREG SPEARMAN: I BELIEVE CHIEF BENNETT MAY HAVE A
05:25:32 LITTLE APPRAISE AMBLE FOR US.
05:25:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF BENNETT.
05:25:35 >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF.
05:25:38 I APPRECIATE THE TIME, COUNCIL, AND THE PUBLIC.
05:25:40 I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE BULL I WANTED TO STOP FOR A
05:25:43 COUPLE OF SECOND, AS MR. SPEARMAN MENTIONED, SORT OF A
05:25:47 PREAMBLE.
05:25:48 OBVIOUSLY WHEN BOTH COUNCILS STARTED AND THIS
05:25:50 ADMINISTRATION STARTED ONE OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES WAS
05:25:52 TO INCREASE WORKFORCE OPPORTUNITIES WHICH DOES HAVE A
05:25:56 TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT AS ELOQUENTLY AS COUNCILMAN GUDES
05:26:01 MENTIONED ESPECIALLY IN OUR UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, AND
05:26:04 SO THINGS LIKE BRIDGES TO BUSINESS THAT THE MAYOR HAS
05:26:07 HOSTED, I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE ATTENDED THOSE, ALL THE
05:26:10 OTHER EFFORTS, RUDELY DISRUPTED BY COVID, BUT NONETHELESS
05:26:15 STILL VIRTUAL EFFORTS TO TRY TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION TO
05:26:18 GET AS MUCH EBO AND LOCAL BUSINESS AS WE CAN.
05:26:22 THAT SAID, WHEN MR. SPEARMAN BROUGHT THIS CONCEPT TO MY
05:26:27 OFFICE IN THE EARLY PHASES OF MY FIRST 18 MONTHS, WE SAW
05:26:32 THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO JUST THAT.
05:26:35 WE WERE ASSURED THAT THE EBO WOULD INCREASE THE LOCAL
05:26:39 BUSINESS WOULD INCREASE, AND WE KIND OF ENTERED THIS INTO
05:26:42 SOMEWHAT OF A PILOT.
05:26:46 WE ARE ONLY SIX MONTHS INTO THIS.
05:26:48 THE NUMBERS OVERALL ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
05:26:50 BUT IN THE SUBSECTIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BBE, WE HAVE
05:26:54 ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.
05:26:55 COVID HAS OBVIOUSLY DAMPENED SOME OF THE WORK EFFORTS.
05:26:59 BUT WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE'S AN EFFICIENCY AND
05:27:02 EFFECTIVENESS SAID OF THIS EQUATION.
05:27:05 I KNOW MR. MIRANDA AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PHILOSOPHY
05:27:08 OF THIS USE.
05:27:09 AND ALL I WOULD ASK IS KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHEN MR.
05:27:13 SPEARMAN RUNS THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION.
05:27:15 I KNOW WE HAVE SIX ITEMS TO VOTE ON, A MILLION DOLLAR
05:27:18 EACH.
05:27:19 BUT I THINK WE HAVE ROOM TO GROW IN SEEING THIS.
05:27:22 AND I AM HOPING THAT COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT ANOTHER -- FOR
05:27:26 LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ANOTHER TERM OF TRYING TO GET
05:27:29 THESE NUMBERS WHERE WE WANT BECAUSE WE STILL THINK THIS
05:27:31 HAS SOME VALUE.
05:27:32 WITH THAT I WILL GIVE IT OVER MR. TO MR. SPEARMAN.
05:27:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
05:27:37 >>GREG SPEARMAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO AND
05:27:39 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
05:27:40 IF WE COULD HAVE THE SLIDE PRESENTATION BROUGHT UP,
05:27:44 PLEASE.
05:27:45 SO THIS IS A REPORT CARD BROUGHT BEFORE YOU IN TERMS OF
05:27:54 THE PROGRAM AND IT WAS ON YOUR AGENDA ON FEBRUARY
05:28:00 18th, AND THERE WAS A REQUEST BY COUNCIL TO DELAY IT
05:28:03 UNTIL TODAY'S MEETING.
05:28:06 SO THIS IS NOT A NEW CONTRACT.
05:28:09 THIS IS BASICALLY A RENEWAL OF AN EXISTING CONTRACT.
05:28:13 IT DOES COVER ITEMS 65 THROUGH 70.
05:28:16 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:28:19 SO BASICALLY AS CHIEF BENNETT SAID, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW
05:28:23 OF THE JOB AUDIT PERFORMANCE CONTRACT FOR THE PERIOD OF
05:28:28 JUNE 2020 TO DECEMBER 2020.
05:28:31 THIS IS FOR A SIX-MONTH PERIOD OF TIME.
05:28:33 AND AS CHIEF BENNETT SAID, WE HAVE LOTS OF ROOM TO GROW
05:28:36 IN THIS CONTRACT IN TERMS OF OUR DB PARTICIPATION.
05:28:40 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:28:42 SO JUST TO REACQUAINT YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT JOC IS, JOB
05:28:49 ORDER CONTRACTING, IS A PERFORMANCE BASED FIRM FIXED
05:28:54 PRAISE COMPETITIVELY BID AT DEFINITE QUANTITY AND
05:28:58 DELIVERY PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR HANDLING SMALL TO MID
05:29:03 SIZE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
05:29:04 AND BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, LET ME GIVE YOU AN
05:29:07 IDEA OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN
05:29:09 PROCURED UNDER JOC.
05:29:13 ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT HE HAVE WOO
05:29:18 DONE A GADSDEN PARK ADA REQUIREMENT IMPROVEMENT
05:29:23 WE HAVE ALSO DONE ONE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN, THE JULIAN B.
05:29:27 LANE RIVERFRONT PARK SUPER BOWL PROJECT WHERE WE HAD TO
05:29:31 TRANSFORM THAT PARK IN TERMS OF THE NFL SUPER BOWL
05:29:35 EXPERIENCE.
05:29:36 AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WE HEARD
05:29:40 COUNCILMAN VIERA TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF VETERANS, WE HAVE
05:29:45 THE MEMORIAL PARK AT MacDILL AIR FORCE, CONSTRUCTION
05:29:51 IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT PARK.
05:29:52 LASTLY, WE HAVE THE DALE MABRY AND SAN PEDRO CONCRETE
05:29:57 PAVEMENT AND OVERLAY IN COOPERATION WITH FDOT.
05:30:00 SO THOSE ARE JUST A BRIEF LISTING OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS
05:30:04 WE HAVE DONE UNDER JOC.
05:30:06 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:30:07 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT AN OLDER
05:30:12 TRAY ANGLE OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT, AND THERE ARE THREE
05:30:15 COMPONENTS.
05:30:16 YOU ARE LOOKING AT TIME, LOOKING AT COST, AND YOU ARE
05:30:18 LOOKING AT QUALITY.
05:30:19 SO ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS HAPPENS TO CHANGE, IT WILL
05:30:24 AFFECT THE OTHER TWO COMPONENTS.
05:30:26 SO JOC IS DESIGNED TO REDUCE TIME, AND INCREASE THE
05:30:30 QUALITY, AND KEEP COSTS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE.
05:30:34 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:30:36 SO THIS SLIDE BASICALLY GETS INTO THE FIRST PART OF THE
05:30:40 REPORT CARD IN TERMS OF JOB ORDER CONTRACTING WITH
05:30:44 REGARDS TO WMBE, SUBCONTRACT GOAL PERFORMANCE.
05:30:48 WE HAVE A WMBE GOAL OVERALL OF 15% CITY-WIDE ON TOP OF
05:30:55 THAT.
05:30:55 NOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT UNDER THIS
05:30:58 PARTICULAR SUBGROUPING, THIS IS AN ETHNIC AND GENDER
05:31:03 SPECIFIC GOAL, AND THERE ARE FIVE CATEGORIES.
05:31:07 AFRICAN AMERICAN, ASIAN-AMERICAN, HISPANIC AMERICAN,
05:31:10 NATIVE AMERICAN, AND CAUCASIAN AMERICAN.
05:31:13 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER OF THE CHART, YOU WILL SEE
05:31:16 WHAT THE E BO PROGRAM TARGET GOALS WERE.
05:31:20 AFRICAN, 4.3%.
05:31:22 ASIAN AMERICA, 0.53%.
05:31:25 HISPANIC 4.68.
05:31:27 NATIVE AMERICAN, 0.02.
05:31:29 AND CAUCASIAN FEMALE, 5.4.
05:31:32 WHEN YOU ADD ALL OF THOSE EBO TARGET GOALS YOU GET 15%.
05:31:40 NOW TO THE RIGHT OF THE CHART YOU SEE THE JOC PERFORMANCE
05:31:43 TERMS OF EBO PERCENTAGE PARTICIPATION.
05:31:48 AFRICAN AMERICAN 1.27.
05:31:49 ADMITTEDLY AS CHIEF BENNETT MENTIONED WE HAVE SOME WORK
05:31:52 TO DO IN THAT AREA.
05:31:53 THIS HAS ONLY BEEN FOR SIX MONTHS SO WE BELIEVE THERE ARE
05:31:56 LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO GET THAT NUMBER UP.
05:31:59 OUR HISPANIC AREA, IN TERMS OF HISPANIC AMERICANS, YOU
05:32:05 CAN SEE THAT THE PROGRAM GOAL WAS 4.68%.
05:32:10 HOWEVER, IT WAS ACTUALLY ACHIEVED UNDER JOC WAS 13.04%.
05:32:16 SO WE GREATLY EXCEEDED PARTICIPATION IN THAT CATEGORY.
05:32:20 AND THEN YOU LOOK AT CAUCASIAN FEMALE, THE EBO PROGRAM
05:32:24 TARGET GOAL WAS 5.4%.
05:32:27 OUR ACTUAL ACHIEVEMENT, 11.3%.
05:32:30 WHEN YOU ADD ALL OF THAT UP, YOU GET 25.64%.
05:32:35 NOW KEEP IN MIND THAT WMBE GOAL WAS 15% SO WE GREATLY
05:32:40 EXCEEDED OUR WMBE GOAL OF 15%.
05:32:44 ALSO, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF OUR JOC PRIME
05:32:47 CONTRACTORS IS AN CITY OF TAMPA CERTIFIED MBE CAUCASIAN
05:32:53 FEMALE.
05:32:54 AND SO IN ONE RESPECT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IT
05:32:59 TECHNICALLY, WE ACTUALLY MET 100% PARTICIPATION, AND IN
05:33:04 THAT CATEGORY ALONE.
05:33:05 HOWEVER, IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE A PRIME CONTRACTOR CERTIFIED
05:33:09 BY THE CITY, YOU DO NOT GET AN EXEMPTION OR A PASS IN
05:33:13 TERMS OF FINDING ADDITIONAL PARTICIPATION IN TERMS OF
05:33:17 SUBCONTRACT OPPORTUNITIES.
05:33:18 SO THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR THAT YOU SEE LISTED ON THE
05:33:22 SLIDE, CAUCASIAN FEMALE, COMMERCIAL INTERIOR, EVEN THOUGH
05:33:28 THEY ARE A CITY CERTIFIED PRIME JOC CONTRACTOR, THEY WERE
05:33:33 ABLE TO BRING AN ADDITIONAL 11.33% PARTICIPATION TO THE
05:33:38 TABLE.
05:33:39 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:33:42 SO THE SLIDE TELLS YOU THE SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS
05:33:46 ENTERPRISE SUBCONTRACTOR PERFORMANCE WHICH IS 10.06%.
05:33:52 NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY, THIS IS A RACE AND
05:33:55 GENDER NEUTRAL TARGET IN TERMS OF OUR ETHNICITY.
05:34:00 THIS IS RACE AND GENDER NEUTRAL.
05:34:02 SO WE HAVE ONE CONTRACTOR THERE, AUSTIN CONSTRUCTION
05:34:06 COMPANY, WHO IS A CITY OF TAMPA CERTIFIED JOC PRIME
05:34:10 CONTRACTOR.
05:34:11 THE GOAL WAS 10.06%.
05:34:13 THEY WERE ABLE TO BRING TO THE TABLE 11.5% PARTICIPATION.
05:34:18 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS THE ACHIEVED UNDER THIS
05:34:20 CONTRACT IN TERMS OF THE WMBE PARTICIPATION AND THE SLBE
05:34:26 PARTICIPATION, ALL TOTAL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 37.14%.
05:34:30 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:34:34 SO THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY OR STEPS THAT WE
05:34:37 WILL BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE BBE
05:34:42 PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT AND PARTICIPATION YOU HEARD MR.
05:34:45 HART SPEAK ABOUT ALREADY, BUT THREE THINGS IN THIS
05:34:49 PARTICULAR AREA.
05:34:50 NUMBER ONE, THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF HAD A MEETING WITH
05:34:55 E-GORDIAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THAT
05:35:00 BASICALLY HELP IMPLEMENT THE JOB ORDER CONTRACT.
05:35:05 THAT MEETING WAS HELD A WEEK AGO MONDAY ON FEBRUARY 22ND.
05:35:09 THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY HE'S GOAL IS, THE WHAT THE
05:35:12 CITY'S OBJECTIVES ARE IN TERMS OF INCREASING
05:35:14 PARTICIPATION OF BBE SPACE AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY
05:35:17 CONFIDENT THAT WORKING WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE PRIME
05:35:20 THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET PARTICIPATION UP.
05:35:24 JOC, THE CONSULTING GROUP HAS THEIR WITH US THAT
05:35:30 NATIONWIDE THEY HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF 30% WMBE
05:35:36 PARTICIPATION SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THEM HELPING
05:35:38 US GET THE LEVEL UP FOR TAMPA.
05:35:40 THE SECOND THING WOULD BE IF WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING
05:35:43 WITH THE JOC PLAN CONTRACTORS YESTERDAY MARCH 3rd AT
05:35:47 3:30 P.M.
05:35:48 WE PROVIDED THEM WITH THE REPORT IN TERMS OF THEIR
05:35:51 PERFORMANCE AND THE WMBE AND SLBE SPACE, A SLIDE YOU SAW
05:35:59 A COUPLE SLIDES BACK.
05:36:00 WE TOLD THEM WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE OF THIS
05:36:02 ADMINISTRATION MOVING FORWARD WITH REGARD TO BBE
05:36:06 PARTICIPATION.
05:36:06 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING WITH THIS CONTRACT
05:36:11 WAS EACH JOB ORDER THAT IS ACTUALLY PREPARED JOINTLY
05:36:15 BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE JOC PRIME CONTRACTOR, WE ARE
05:36:19 GOING TO BE BASICALLY SCRUTINIZING THOSE JOC ORDERS FOR
05:36:23 BBE PARTICIPATION PRIOR TO ISSUING THE NOTICE TO PROCEED.
05:36:27 NOW, WITH THAT -- WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE JOC PRIME
05:36:32 CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO HAVE TOP PROVIDE TO THE CITY AN
05:36:34 UPDATED MBE 10 FORM.
05:36:36 THAT'S THE FORM THAT THEY USE FOR SOLICITATION OF WMBE
05:36:41 AND SLBE.
05:36:43 THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP EBE FORM 20 WHICH IS THE FORM
05:36:49 THAT THEY REACH OUT AND CONTACTED, WHICH OF THOSE FIRMS
05:36:53 ARE YOU GOING TO BE USING ON THIS PARTICULAR JOB ORDER?
05:36:56 AND AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS SUGGESTED EARLIER,
05:36:59 THAT ANYTIME THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE BBE
05:37:05 UTILIZATION, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DOCUMENTED.
05:37:08 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
05:37:09 SO THIS IS THE LAST SLIDE.
05:37:11 WE BASICALLY MET WITH YOU BACK IN JANUARY, JANUARY
05:37:15 18th, EBO WORKSHOP, AND WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU THAT
05:37:19 WE'LL BE COMING BACK IN MAY, AND ALSO IN NOVEMBER WITH
05:37:24 REGARDS TO ENHANCEMENT, AND ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL
05:37:27 REPORTING TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THOSE
05:37:32 ENHANCEMENTS.
05:37:33 SPECIFICALLY, AS DELAYS TO THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING
05:37:37 PROGRAM, AND BBE UTILIZATION HAS DEPENDED UPON THREE
05:37:42 THINGS.
05:37:42 NUMBER ONE, BBE UTILIZATION HAS HAVING SUBS, AS MR. HART
05:37:50 SPOKE TO EARLIER, WHO ALIGN WITH PARTICULAR JOB ORDER.
05:37:54 IN OTHER WORDS, IF A JOB ORDER CALLS FOR A SPECIFIC TAPE
05:37:57 OF SKILL, OR SPECIFIC TYPE OF TRADE, THAT'S GOING TO BE
05:38:02 IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF GETTING THAT BBE UTILIZATION.
05:38:05 SECOND THING, PLANNED HART TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW
05:38:07 MINUTES AGO, THERE HAS TO BE AVAILABLE, READY, WILLING
05:38:12 AND ABLE SUBCONTRACTORS.
05:38:15 IN OUR DISCUSSION YESTERDAY WITH THE PRIME, WE UNDERSTAND
05:38:18 THAT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, FOR WHATEVER REASON.
05:38:22 AND THEN THIRDLY, THE INCREASE IN BBE PARTICIPATION IS
05:38:27 DRIVEN BY VOLUME THROUGH THE JOC CONTRACT.
05:38:30 IN OTHER WORDS, THE MORE JOB ORDERS YOU HAVE COMING
05:38:33 THROUGH THE JOB ORDER CONTRACT, THE GREATER THE
05:38:36 LIKELIHOOD WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE AN INCREASE IN
05:38:40 BBE PARTICIPATION.
05:38:41 AND THEN THE LAST BULLET IS THAT ANYTIME THERE IS NOT
05:38:46 SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF BBE UTILIZATION, IN
05:38:50 OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S BBE UNDERUTILIZATION THAT IS
05:38:54 GOING TO HAVE TO BE DOCUMENTED AND PROVEN TO THE CITY.
05:38:58 AND THE PROCESS I JUST MENTIONED TO YOU WILL BE THROUGH
05:39:00 THE USE OF THE MBB FORM 10 IN TERMS MUCH OUTREACH AND THE
05:39:06 MBB FORM 20 IN TERMS OF THOSE FIRMS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED
05:39:11 FOR EACH JOB ORDER.
05:39:13 SO IN CLOSING COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS
05:39:16 CONTRACT HAS BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES
05:39:20 LOCALLY, IN TERMS OF OUR PRIME CONTRACTORS, TWO OF WHICH
05:39:25 ARE CITY CERTIFIED PRIME, AND ALSO HAS SUBCONTRACTORS
05:39:30 OPERATING UNDER THIS CONTRACT.
05:39:31 AND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THIS PROGRAM, EVEN
05:39:35 DURING THE PANDEMIC.
05:39:40 SO THE IMPACT OF THIS PROGRAM REALLY IS NOT JUST -- IT'S
05:39:44 ALSO HILLSBOROUGH, BECAUSE HILLSBOROUGH UTILIZES THE CITY
05:39:47 OF TAMPA JOC CONTRACT AND WE ALSO HAVE ACROSS THE BAY
05:39:51 PINELLAS THAT USES THESE CONTRACTS.
05:39:53 SO WE ARE CONFIDENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE HAD WITH THE
05:39:59 CONSULTANT, E-GUARDIAN GROUP AND ALSO WITH THE JOC PRIME
05:40:04 CONTRACTORS YESTERDAY WITH THE TEAMS MEETING THAT WE ARE
05:40:06 GOING TO BE ABLE TO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE BBE SPACE IN
05:40:10 TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR INITIATIVE.
05:40:12 I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
05:40:13 I ALSO HAVE MR. HART ON THE LINE AS WELL, AND WE ALSO
05:40:17 HAVE OUR CONSULTANT.
05:40:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN MIRANDA.
05:40:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR CHAIR.
05:40:29 CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
05:40:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
05:40:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. SPEARMAN.
05:40:34 JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
05:40:35 NUMBER ONE, 4.3 OF THE GOAL TO ME SOUND A BIT LOW.
05:40:45 BUT MY QUESTION AS RELATED TO THE 1.27 THAT YOU SAY WE
05:40:49 HAVE ACHIEVED UNDER THE JOC CONTRACT.
05:40:53 WHEN I LOOK AT ITEM 65, 66 THROUGH 70, NONE OF THE MEMO
05:41:02 SPEAKS TO ANY BBE.
05:41:04 SO WHERE IS THE 1.27% EVEN COME FROM?
05:41:09 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THE 1.2, ALL OF THE JOC NUMBERS COME OUT
05:41:13 OF THE E-GUARDIAN SYSTEM AND I BELIEVE THE TIME WE
05:41:18 ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE ITEMS BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE NOT YET HAD
05:41:21 THE FULL RESULTS OF THAT DETAILED REPORT.
05:41:24 SO THAT'S WHY I AM SHARING THAT WITH YOU TODAY.
05:41:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
05:41:29 SO THE AGENDA ITEMS I LOOKED AT, 65, 66 THROUGH 70, SHOWS
05:41:36 ZERO PERCENT DBE, AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S
05:41:41 ACTUALLY SOME NUMBERS OUT THERE THAT ARE LIKELY HAIR?
05:41:46 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THAT IS CORRECT.
05:41:47 AND KEEP IN MIND, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THAT A LOT OF
05:41:49 THE NUMBERS AREN'T FINAL UNTIL SOME OF THE JOB ORDERS ARE
05:41:54 ACTUALLY COMPLETED.
05:41:55 SO AT THE TIME WE GAVE YOU THE REPORT, WE STILL HAD SOME
05:42:00 AFTER JOB ORDERS WHICH WERE STILL IN PROCESS.
05:42:02 SO ONCE THOSE ARE COMPLETED WE THEN GET THE FINAL
05:42:05 NUMBERS.
05:42:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO YOU SAY YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THE
05:42:09 JOC FOR SIX MONTHS, CORRECT?
05:42:12 >>GREG SPEARMAN: CORRECT.
05:42:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND DURING THAT SIX MONTHS HOW MUCH
05:42:15 MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT?
05:42:18 >>GREG SPEARMAN: ALL TOTAL, JUST A LITTLE OVER
05:42:20 $1.8 MILLION, ABOUT 1.8 -- ABOUT $1,800,000.
05:42:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 1.8.
05:42:38 THAT MEANS THAT 18,000, IF I DROP TWO ZEROS, $18,000,
05:42:44 GIVE OR TAKE, IS DBE.
05:42:49 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THAT WOULD A ROUGH APPROXIMATION, YES,
05:42:50 SIR.
05:42:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
05:42:54 AND YOU WONDER WHY I AM NOT IMPRESSED.
05:42:57 YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW FOR A GOOD
05:43:00 YEAR AND A HALF.
05:43:06 I APPRECIATE THIS IDEA OF GOING FORWARD WE ARE GOING TO
05:43:09 BE BETTER, WE ARE GOING TO BE BETTER, BUT I JUST CAN'T BE
05:43:12 IMPRESSED WITH $18,000 DBE MONEY SPENT.
05:43:16 AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER $6 MILLION.
05:43:20 THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE
05:43:23 DOING ANY BETTER.
05:43:28 >>GREG SPEARMAN: IN OUR CONVERSATION, COUNCILMAN
05:43:29 DINGFELDER, WITH THE CONSULTANTS, AND WITH THAN THE E
05:43:33 GUARDIAN GROUP, WE GAVE THEM A REPORT CARD, THEY
05:43:37 UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT THE GOAL OF THE ADMINISTRATION IS
05:43:41 AND OF CITY COUNCIL.
05:43:44 WE HAD A VERY LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSULTANT
05:43:47 AND WITH THE JOC CONTRACTORS YESTERDAY, AND I FEEL
05:43:53 CONFIDENT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT 4.3% IN
05:43:58 TERMS OF DBE PARTICIPATION AND EVEN BEYOND.
05:44:02 ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE HAS TO BE AS I MENTIONED
05:44:06 EARLIER AN ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE JOB ORDERS PRODUCED AND
05:44:11 THE DBE FIRMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND THE DB SPACE.
05:44:16 THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ALL THE TIME OR TALKED ABOUT.
05:44:19 AND THIS IS ONLY SIX MONTHS.
05:44:20 WE HAVEN'T DONE EVERY POSSIBLE JOB ORDER WE CAN DO UNDER
05:44:23 THIS CONTRACT.
05:44:24 THERE IS ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY.
05:44:26 WE KNOW THAT OTHER DEMANDS FOR THIS IN TERMS OF
05:44:32 ADDITIONAL JOB ORDERS, THAT WE ARE HOLDING, AND AS
05:44:36 INDICATED A MOMENT AGO, BEFORE ANY JOB ORDERS ARE GOING
05:44:40 TO BE RELEASED IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S WHEN THE STAFF IS
05:44:43 GOING TO REQUIRE THE PRIME CONTRACTOR TO SAY, OKAY, SHOW
05:44:48 ME YOUR BEST EFFORTS, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU ARE MEETING
05:44:53 THESE THINGS.
05:44:53 NOW, THIS IS THE GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE
05:44:57 THE TRADITIONAL BID, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A CONSTRUCTION
05:45:01 PROJECT, THOSE SUBCATEGORIES ARE BROKEN OUT, AND THOSE
05:45:05 PERCENTAGES ARE DETERMINED, THEN WHEN THE BID COMES IN
05:45:08 YOU ARE LOCKED IN.
05:45:09 BUT IN THIS SITUATION, THE JOB ORDER IS GOING TO BE
05:45:12 LOOKED AT FIRST AND EVALUATED FOR ADDITIONAL BE
05:45:16 PARTICIPATION, WITH THE MBE-20 FORMS, AND IF IT'S NOT
05:45:21 SUFFICIENT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE JOB
05:45:25 PRIME CONTRACTOR.
05:45:26 THE OTHER THANK YOU WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU, COUNCILMAN
05:45:30 DINGFELDER AND THE REST OF COUNCIL, THIS IS A
05:45:33 PERFORMANCE-BASED CONTRACT.
05:45:35 SO ALL THE CITY JOC PRIME CONTRACTORS HAVE BEEN PUT ON
05:45:40 NOTICE, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AND EVALUATING
05:45:42 PERFORMANCE.
05:45:44 IF IT'S NOT FAIR, THEN THAT MEANS THEY DON'T GET THE
05:45:47 WORK.
05:45:48 THAT OTHER CONTRACTORS BRING TO THE TABLE, THERE SHOULD
05:45:51 BE BBE PARTICIPATION.
05:45:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THIS IS THE FOURTH QUARTER OF THE
05:45:57 TRIANGLE?
05:46:00 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THE THIRD TRIANGLE, YES.
05:46:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:46:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:46:07 CHIEF BENNETT, GO AHEAD.
05:46:08 AND THEN MIRANDA.
05:46:09 >>JOHN BENNETT: JUST REALLY QUICK.
05:46:11 I WANTED TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL, AND BEFORE YOU GO TO BE
05:46:16 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THAT I AM NOT IMPRESSED EITHER
05:46:18 OVERALL.
05:46:19 THE ONE THING WE DID AT THE WORKSHOP IS WE DID PUT THE
05:46:23 TRIANGLE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SCALE THAT BALANCES
05:46:29 OUR WME AND OUR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES.
05:46:32 WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE THAT ACROSS THE CITY.
05:46:35 BUT THE ONE THING THAT I SAW IS WHEN WE GET THE TECHNICAL
05:46:39 SPECKS OF ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE EBO, WE KNOW THAT
05:46:47 THAT BETWEEN GETTING MORE BUSINESSES CERTIFIED ON ONE
05:46:49 SIDE AND THIS IS THE REALLY IMPORTANT PART THAT I TALKED
05:46:52 TO MR. SPEARMAN AND MS. DUNCAN AND MR. HART AND OCEA WYNN
05:46:57 ABOUT, IS TELEGRAPHIC OUR WORK SO THAT READY, WILLING AND
05:47:01 ABLENESS HAS A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET.
05:47:03 AND I THINK IT'S THAT MATCHMAKING THAT'S REALLY GOING TO
05:47:06 START MAKING THE DIFFERENCE.
05:47:07 AND SO WHAT I AM ASKING COUNCIL FOR, AND THAT'S WHY I
05:47:11 ASKED MR. HART TO PUT THAT SCORECARD TOGETHER ON A
05:47:16 BIWEEKLY BUSINESS, SO WE CAN WATCH THOSE AVERAGES CHANGE
05:47:20 IN NECESSARY REAL TIME.
05:47:22 BUT I REALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT TELEGRAPHING OF
05:47:25 OUR PROJECTS THAT'S GOING LANE UP THE READY, WILLING AND
05:47:28 ABLENESS TO MEET THE STRATEGIC GOAL AND GET THOSE NUMBERS
05:47:31 WHEREIN THEY NEED TO BE, IN ADDITION TO GETTING MORE
05:47:34 CERTIFIED BUSINESSES.
05:47:35 AND I GO BACK TO MR. MIRANDA'S POINTED ABOUT HELPING SOME
05:47:37 OF THESE BUSINESSES GET OVER THOSE CERTIFICATION HURDLES.
05:47:41 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AS NEW TRIANGLE, I KNOW THEY ARE
05:47:45 SOMEWHAT INTANGIBLE AND REQUIRE EFFORT.
05:47:47 BUT THAT'S WHAT MS. WYNN IS WHERE IT NEED TO GO.
05:47:53 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:47:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
05:47:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
05:47:58 LET ME GO BACK FIRST OF ALL, JURISDICTION ANTI-MONTHS
05:48:02 AGO, I APOLOGIZE TO THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA FOR VOTING
05:48:05 SOMETHING THAT I TRIED TO GET RID OF YEARS AGO.
05:48:08 I BELIEVE THAT JOC IS AN AGENCY THAT WORKS.
05:48:14 HOW IT STARTED, I BELIEVE, THEY COME IN AND THEY GET ALL
05:48:18 THE RECORDS FROM THE CITY OF WHO WE DO BUSINESS W.AM I
05:48:22 CORRECT, MR. SPEARMAN?
05:48:23 >>GREG SPEARMAN: WE DO PROVIDE THEM INFORMATION
05:48:26 REGARDING MBEs AND --
05:48:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY COME IN AND ASK FOR IT AND YOU
05:48:35 HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM UNDER THE LAW.
05:48:36 IT COULD THE SAME INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU WERE DOING BEFORE.
05:48:39 BUT NOW THEY HAVE CREATED AN IDENTITY FOR THEMSELVES.
05:48:45 AND IF I REMEMBER, WASN'T THIS AREA OF TIME, OR MAYBE MY
05:48:49 TIME, THAT WE DID NOT DO JOC IN THE LAST TEN YEARS?
05:48:56 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THAT WAS A TIME BEFORE WE HAD IT TODAY,
05:48:58 CORRECTS.
05:48:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND IF I RECALL, I DIDN'T -- THEY
05:49:09 COME IN, GET THE SAME CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN USING,
05:49:11 FORMULATE A SYSTEM, AND THEN COME BACK AND CHARGE YOU FOR
05:49:14 THE SAME CONTRACT THAT YOU HAD BEFORE.
05:49:17 SO I AM A LITTLE -- MY MIND DOESN'T WORK AS WELL WHEN I
05:49:26 SEE SOMEBODY TAKING THE SAME PEOPLE THAT I WAS DOING
05:49:27 BUSINESS WITH AND HIRING THE SAME PEOPLE THROUGH THEM,
05:49:30 AND SO WHAT ARE THEY?
05:49:33 WHAT DO THEY DO?
05:49:38 FROM THE BANK BUILDING TO THE MEMORIAL WHICH I NEVER WAS
05:49:40 THERE BECAUSE I WISH NO POLICE OFFICERS HAVE EVER GOTTEN
05:49:44 KILLED.
05:49:46 IT WAS $38,000.
05:49:48 AM I CORRECT?
05:49:50 >>GREG SPEARMAN: I DON'T HAVE THE COST ON THAT.
05:49:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU CAN CHECK THAT IF YOU LIKE.
05:49:55 SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND, FIRST THEY START OUT, OH, NO, WE
05:50:04 ARE JUST GOING TO COME IN AND DO THE CONSTRUCTION JOB,
05:50:08 LAY 38 PIECES OF GRASS DOWN, THAT'S WHAT WE USE THEM FOR.
05:50:12 NOW THEY ARE A MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACTOR.
05:50:15 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GO IN TEN YEARS FROM THAT TO
05:50:20 THIS.
05:50:20 I JUST DON'T SEE, IF THEY TALK ABOUT -- I GUESS AT MY
05:50:23 AGE, SECRETARY OF STATE OFFICE, I REMEMBER WHEN I DID THE
05:50:29 ANALYSIS TEN YEARS AGO, THERE WAS ONE IN VIRGINIA,
05:50:34 ANOTHER IN JACKSONVILLE, ANOTHER ONE AROUND THE NAPLES
05:50:37 AREA.
05:50:37 I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE THERE NOW.
05:50:39 I AM JUST SAYING WHAT WHEN THE PRIME CONTRACTOR COMES IN,
05:50:43 THEY MAKE IT LOOK, YOU CAN'T -- YOU NEED A HEART ATTACK
05:50:49 TO COME TO THE DOCTOR.
05:50:52 BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF JOC.
05:50:56 I GUARANTEE YOU, IF THIS CITY WERE TO DO JOC WHAT THEY
05:51:01 ARE PAYING THE EMPLOYEES, THERE WON'T BE MUCH.
05:51:07 IT WILL NOT BE MUCH.
05:51:11 AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES?
05:51:17 >>GREG SPEARMAN: SIR, I DO NOT HAVE COST INFORMATION ON
05:51:18 THE JOC PLAN CONTRACT.
05:51:22 THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET BUT WEE I DO NOT HAVE THAT AT
05:51:25 HAND.
05:51:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, THEY GET IN A
05:51:29 BENEFITS, NO VACATION, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY ARE LOW
05:51:33 PAID.
05:51:35 THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE USE, AND WE MAINTAIN A LITTLE
05:51:41 MORE AND GET IT DONE, BUT THESE PEOPLE WE ARE TRYING TO
05:51:44 HELP ARE THE SAME ONES THAT WE ARE NOT HELPING BECAUSE
05:51:49 THEY ARE ON THE JOC PROGRAM.
05:51:53 I STUDIED SOME OF THESE.
05:51:54 AND I AM NOT TELLING YOU BY PERFECT BECAUSE I AM GOING BY
05:51:58 MEMORY FROM TEN YEARS AGO.
05:52:00 BUT I WILL DO A SEARCH AND I WILL FIND OUT, AND THEN WE
05:52:03 WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION OVER JOC WHAT THEY DO. THEY GO
05:52:07 INTO A CITY OR COUNTY OR GOVERNMENT, ALWAYS LOOKING AT
05:52:12 SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING.
05:52:14 SO BY LAW, ALL THAT YOU DO BUSINESS WITH, AND THEY MAY
05:52:20 ASSIGN THE SAME PEOPLE.
05:52:24 THAT'S MY PROBLEM.
05:52:26 HOW COME WE CAN'T DO IT BETTER AND WE HAVE TO GIVE IT OUT
05:52:29 TO SOMEBODY ELSE?
05:52:34 I GET CONFUSED WHEN I START THINKING ABOUT THE THINGS
05:52:36 THAT ARE HAPPENING.
05:52:42 HOW CAN YOU, MR. SPEARMAN, MR. BENNETT, ANYBODY IN THIS
05:52:45 GOVERNMENT, THIS IS PART OF IT.
05:52:47 THIS IS PART OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
05:52:51 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CANNOT PAY FOR A CONTRACTOR WHO
05:52:54 GETS A JOB THAT PAYS 2 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, WHAT IS
05:52:59 IT THAT YOU NEED?
05:53:00 INCLUDE EVERYTHING INCLUDING LAYING THE GRASS.
05:53:19 >>GREG SPEARMAN: THIS IS AN EFFICIENCY BASED OPERATION
05:53:21 FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF BALANCE AND TIME, QUALITY AND
05:53:24 PERFORMANCE.
05:53:25 IT'S ANOTHER TOOL IN THE CITY'S TOOL BOX THAT BASICALLY
05:53:30 HELPS THE CITY ACHIEVE SOME OF ITS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES,
05:53:36 WITH THE PROCESS THAT HANDLES SMALL TO MEDIUM SIZE
05:53:39 CONTRACTS, AND LESS THAN HALF THE TOMB THE CITY COULD
05:53:43 EVER DO IT.
05:53:44 SO IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE ARE USING TO BASICALLY ASSESS
05:53:50 THE CONTROL COSTS FROM -- TAKES A LOT OF THESE SMALL
05:53:53 PROJECTS OFF OF OUR PLATE SO THAT WE CAN CONCENTRATE ON
05:53:56 SOME OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS.
05:53:58 AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT ALSO HAVE THE EBO PARTICIPATION IN
05:54:01 IT.
05:54:01 SO IT'S AN EFFICIENCY PROCESS.
05:54:03 WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER AMENITIES IN THE BAY AREA THAT ARE
05:54:09 USING IT AND WE DO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT ON THE LINE IF YOU
05:54:12 HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING NATIONALLY
05:54:14 WITH THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF CONTRACT.
05:54:17 BUT THEY USE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS EXTENSIVELY.
05:54:24 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU DON'T NEED A CONSULTANT AT ALL.
05:54:27 ALL I NEED TO DO IS REDUCE FEES.
05:54:33 WE WERE DOING THAT BEFORE.
05:54:36 YOU KNOW THE LEGAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
05:54:43 YES THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.
05:54:50 NOT YOU, MR. SPEARMAN.
05:54:51 NOT MR. BENNETT.
05:54:52 NOT THE MAYOR.
05:54:53 NOT THE CITY COUNCIL.
05:54:54 JOC.
05:54:56 AND DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME BEFORE JOC CAME IN WE WERE
05:55:07 PAYING ATTACH?
05:55:09 I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM HEARING, BECAUSE IT JUST
05:55:12 CAN'T BE BOTH WAYS.
05:55:13 IT CAN'T BE UM GETTING A BETTER DALE AND I AM HIRING
05:55:16 SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE WORK.
05:55:19 AND I UNDERSTAND THE PREDICAMENT.
05:55:21 YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND I APPRECIATE THAT VERY
05:55:23 MUCH.
05:55:24 BELIEVE ME.
05:55:25 BUT I JUST FEEL IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE WHATEVER IT IS
05:55:30 IN THAT CONTRACT AND HIRING OTHER PEOPLE TO DO, NOT JOC,
05:55:36 I DON'T NEED TWO PEOPLE TO DO WHAT ONE CAN DO.
05:55:39 THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY.
05:55:41 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
05:55:41 >> COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
05:55:47 WE ARE GOING TO STOP AT 6:00, SO CTTV CAN REDO THE TAPE.
05:55:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY MIND JUST DOESN'T STOP AND REMEMBERS
05:56:03 EVERYTHING THAN.
05:56:07 YOU HAVE GOT TO LOVE HIM FOR IT.
05:56:09 HE BRINGS IT OUT.
05:56:13 I DON'T LIKE THE WAY HE VOTES SOMETIMES BUT HE HAS HIS
05:56:15 REASONS BECAUSE HE'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND SEEN IT
05:56:18 ALL.
05:56:19 MR. SPEARMAN, YOU DID A GOOD JOB IN YOUR PRESENTATION.
05:56:24 I KNOW WE ARE TRYING.
05:56:27 WE JUST GOT TO GET THERE.
05:56:29 THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING, THAT WE GET THERE.
05:56:33 SAME WITH MR. HART.
05:56:37 I KNOW WE HAVE ALL THESE TERMS, AND WE WANT TO MEET THIS
05:56:41 GOAL BECAUSE MAYBE SOME TYPE OF RULE HERE.
05:56:45 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RULES,
05:56:50 TOO.
05:56:50 WE CAN CREATE RULES. WE CREATE THEM TO MAKE THEM FIT.
05:56:54 I JUST THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME THINGS FIT TO WHERE WE CAN
05:56:56 MAKE THINGS FIT.
05:56:58 AND IN MY CONTRACT SAYING YOU WILL, YOU SHALL, AND USE
05:57:05 THOSE WORDS SO PEOPLE GET THE MESSAGE.
05:57:08 I HAVE GOT TO DO THIS OR I WON'T GET IT.
05:57:10 I THINK OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO SEA HOW WE CAN
05:57:13 CHANGE SOME VERBIAGE IN OUR CONTRACTS SO PEOPLE CAN
05:57:16 UNDERSTAND, SHALL, YOU KNOW.
05:57:18 MR. BENNETT, WHEN A MEMO COMES OUT, IT DOESN'T SAY MAY,
05:57:23 IT DOESN'T SAY TRAY, I GUESS A COUPLE PEOPLE SAY YOU
05:57:32 WILL, YOU SHALL.
05:57:33 IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A THAN -- I THINK WE NEED TO GET OUT
05:57:40 OUR DOCUMENTS AND LOOKING AT PROCUREMENTS, EBO, SO PEOPLE
05:57:45 CAN GET THE MESSAGE, SHALL, SO I DON'T HEAR, NO ONE TOLD
05:57:50 ME THAT, OR I DIDN'T READ IT RIGHT, OR IT'S NOT FAIR.
05:57:54 I JUST THINK IT COMES WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PUT IN
05:57:56 OUR DOCUMENTS.
05:57:58 SO WHEN WE GET OUR DOCUMENTS, WE CAN SAY, IT SAYS RIGHT
05:58:01 HERE, YOU SHALL, YOU WILL, AND WE CAN'T GO FORWARD
05:58:06 BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THOSE KEY WORDS.
05:58:09 A AND THOSE ARE WORDS I AM USED TO HEARING.
05:58:12 SHALL, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL.
05:58:14 MR. BENNETT KNOWS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
05:58:18 HE WOULD WRITE ORDERS YOU WILL DO.
05:58:21 THERE'S NO GRAY AREA IN IT.
05:58:22 SO I AM JUST SAYING TO YOU -- AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB.
05:58:26 I TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY, GREG, HE'S A
05:58:32 SHARP GUY.
05:58:33 I JUST THINK SOMETIMES WE HAVE DONE THINGS SO WRONG, AND
05:58:39 ANYTIME I SAY YOU KIND OF GO DOWN THIS ROAD, YOU REALLY
05:58:42 2021 GO DOWN THIS ROAD, I JUST THINK NOW, YOU AND MR.
05:58:49 HART TO SAY, OKAY, I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE FOOTBALL, YOU RUN
05:58:53 WITH IT NOW.
05:58:54 YOU RUN WITH IT NOW.
05:58:56 I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
05:59:02 THE DOORS ARE OPEN NOW, SO LET'S JUST GET THE BALL AND
05:59:05 GO.
05:59:05 BUT GET WITH LEGAL.
05:59:07 I SEE THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THE LINE LISTENING.
05:59:10 SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET WITH BE THE EBO, MR. SPEARMAN,
05:59:14 AND START LAG HOW TO CRAFT OUR LANGUAGE.
05:59:17 AND OUR PROCUREMENT.
05:59:18 LIKE EBO.
05:59:19 AND SO PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND.
05:59:22 SHALL.
05:59:23 WILL.
05:59:23 AND THAT WAY THERE'S NO GRAY AREA AND MR. DINGFELDER
05:59:30 HEARD, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, I DIDN'T READ THAT LIKE THAT.
05:59:34 HAD I KNOWN, I COULD HAVE HAD THOSE NUMBERS FOR THEM.
05:59:38 AND I WOULD HAVE MY CONTRACT NOT DELAYED.
05:59:43 SO I SEE LEGAL IS ON THERE, AND MR. HART IS LISTENING.
05:59:47 I THINK NOW WE HAVE A LEGAL GUARDIAN, I THINK NOW IS TIME
05:59:52 TO LOOK AT OUR LANGUAGE IN THERE, JUST LIKE WE DO WHEN WE
05:59:57 WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING FIT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW WE CAN
05:59:59 MAKE SOME STUFF FIT, SO THERE'S NO GRAY AREA.
06:00:02 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:00:05 I APPRECIATE IT, SIR.
06:00:06 >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:00:08 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST QUICKLY.
06:00:13 I AGREE WITH WHAT MRI MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID.
06:00:15 I HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND
06:00:18 ALSO CHIEF BENNETT, INCLUDING YESTERDAY AND TODAY.
06:00:22 AND AS CHIEF BENNETT SAID EARLIER, HE'S PERSONALLY
06:00:26 INVOLVED IN THIS, AND WE HAVE GOT WELL EXPECTED TEAM
06:00:31 WORKING ON IT.
06:00:33 AND CHIEF BENNETT IS PERSONALLY COMMITTED PUTTING HIS
06:00:36 REPUTATION ON THE LINE, TAKING THESE ISSUES, AND I THINK
06:00:39 HE SAID THE MAYOR, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE E HE'S HE
06:00:44 TOLD ME ANYWAY HE WAS ASKING FOR MAYBE SIX MORE MONTHS OR
06:00:47 SO TO SEE IF THIS KIND OF EXPERIMENT OR PROTOTYPE OF
06:00:49 WORK, AND IF IT DOESN'T, WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT.
06:00:52 BUT IT'S PARTLY IN PROCESS.
06:00:55 COVID IS GOING ON.
06:00:56 AND COVID HAS CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS.
06:00:58 SO IN TERMS OF THE MOTIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE
06:01:00 HERE, UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE
06:01:03 SAID, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE GIVE STAFF ANOTHER SIX
06:01:08 MONTHS OR SO TO FIGURE THIS OUT, AND THEN I THINK
06:01:11 EVERYBODY WILL AGREE, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THAT IT HASN'T
06:01:15 WORKED.
06:01:16 THANK YOU.
06:01:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
06:01:19 WE HAVE --
06:01:25 >> THIS IS CARL BRODY, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
06:01:29 I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION WE ARE HAVING, AND WE HAVE
06:01:36 HEARD, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS
06:01:40 OF OUR CONTRACTING, BUT IN OTHER AREAS, TO REQUIRE
06:01:52 EFFORTS, TO PUT THOSE KINDS OF PRODUCTS.
06:01:56 BUT WE CAN'T PUT STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON OUR OUTCOME
06:02:02 NUMBERS.
06:02:04 WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN ON SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS
06:02:08 WHERE WE LAY A VERY GOOD FOUNDATION, WHERE IN THE FUTURE,
06:02:16 WE HAVE A POOL TO CHOOSE FROM, AND WHERE WE CAN PUT
06:02:24 SALARY, WE'LL PUT SALARY, BUT WE CAN'T PUT STRICT
06:02:27 REQUIREMENTS IN.
06:02:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
06:02:32 AND AGAIN, TO GO BACK TO THE "IF" WORD, BUT IT WAS
06:02:39 VERBIAGE IN THEIR CONTRACTS.
06:02:41 SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT, BUT WE DON'T HEAR, AND THE
06:02:47 PUBLIC DOESN'T HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE AIRPORT.
06:02:53 I AM JUST BEING HONEST.
06:02:54 BUT MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY.
06:03:00 >>CARL BRODY: THERE ARE DIFFERENT RULES IN PLACE. THERE
06:03:00 ARE FEDERAL RULES FOR STAFF TO PUT IN PLACE, WHEREAS WE
06:03:14 HAVE -- A POOL, AND THAT'S WHY OUR NUMBERS COME OUT
06:03:18 DIFFERENTLY.
06:03:21 >>> VERY GOOD.
06:03:22 I KNOW CTTV SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO RECESS.
06:03:26 BUT CHIEF BENNETT.
06:03:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU WANT TO TAKE -- IS THERE ANY
06:03:31 ACTION YOU WANT TO TAKE TO CLOSE THIS OUT, OR DO WE HAVE
06:03:34 TO STOP NOW?
06:03:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE CAN CONSOLIDATE 65 THROUGH
06:03:40 70 IN ONE SINGLE MOTION SINCE THEY ARE ALL RESOLUTIONS.
06:03:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY,
06:03:46 SIR?
06:03:46 >>JOHN BENNETT: YES, SIR, QUICKLY.
06:03:48 I KNOW OUR CONTRACTS, AND I WANT TO COMMIT TO A QUARTERLY
06:03:52 REPORT ON JOC BEYOND THE SEMIANNUAL THAT WE WERE GIVING
06:03:55 TO YOU ON EBO DATA SO WE CAN MONITOR THIS MORE CLOSELY IF
06:04:01 COUNCIL IS SO WILLING.
06:04:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
06:04:04 VERY GOOD.
06:04:05 THANK YOU, SIR.
06:04:07 ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A
06:04:09 MOTION FOR 65, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 70?
06:04:13 MOVE THE RESOLUTIONS?
06:04:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
06:04:18 IN THE SPIRIT OF GOOD FAITH, I WILL MOVE THOSE
06:04:20 RESOLUTIONS.
06:04:21 >> SECOND.
06:04:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:04:24 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:04:26 ROLL CALL VOTE.
06:04:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
06:04:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.
06:04:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
06:04:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
06:04:42 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
06:04:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
06:04:45 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.
06:04:47 >> ITEM NUMBER 71, WE HAVE A MEMO FROM VIK BHIDE.
06:04:56 I HOPE THAT ANSWERS ALL QUESTIONS.
06:04:58 IT'S THE GENERAL QUARTERLY REPORT, STORMWATER PROJECT
06:05:01 PROGRAM.
06:05:02 WE TOOK CARE OF THE REST OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA
06:05:05 EXCEPT ITEM NUMBER 73, UNLESS I MISSED THAT.
06:05:10 THE WATER DEPARTMENT CFO.
06:05:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THOUGHT THAT CAME UP THIS MORNING.
06:05:17 I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
06:05:20 >>JOSEPH CITRO: APRIL 15th.
06:05:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT TAKES CARE OF THE REST OF THE
06:05:25 AGENDA.
06:05:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE COVERED
06:05:33 75?
06:05:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 75, THE CREDIT CARD ISSUE.
06:05:37 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER --
06:05:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
06:05:42 >> OH, I APOLOGIZE, SIR.
06:05:44 THANK YOU.
06:05:47 NEW BUSINESS.
06:05:47 WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
06:05:49 YES, SIR.
06:05:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
06:05:53 PER THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I MOVE TO
06:05:55 SCHEDULE A PLAN AMENDMENT ADOPTION HEARING FOR TA/CPA
06:05:59 20-34 ON APRIL 22ND, 2021 AT 6 P.M. AND DIRECT LEGAL
06:06:06 DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE
06:06:08 FOR ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
06:06:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
06:06:12 SECOND?
06:06:13 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:06:14 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:06:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOTHING MORE, MR. CHAIR.
06:06:22 THANK YOU.
06:06:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IN
06:06:27 REFERENCE TO A COMMENDATION FOR A SPECIAL GENTLEMAN WHO
06:06:31 WILL BE LEAVING THE BAY AREA.
06:06:33 HE'S LEAVING ON THE 12TH. WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR
06:06:37 COUNCIL MEETING UNTIL THE FOLLOWING I THINK LIKE THE
06:06:40 18th.
06:06:41 I WAS WONDERING IF I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IT
06:06:43 PRESENTED THROUGH CRA WITH A MEMO TO PRESENT IT AT CRA
06:06:47 MEETING?
06:06:48 WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE?
06:06:52 >> MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
06:06:53 IT'S A SEPARATE BOARD.
06:06:54 YOU HAVE REALLY SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS.
06:06:58 YOU ARE THE CRA CHAIR.
06:06:59 I SUSPECT YOU COULD TALK WITH MR. MASSEY AND SEE IF HE
06:07:02 CAN DO IT AS A QUACK-ON.
06:07:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO AGAIN, ROD CARTER, CHANNEL 8, MOVING
06:07:13 FROM THE BAY AREA.
06:07:14 THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOSS FOR A LOT IN THE COMMUNITY,
06:07:17 ESPECIALLY THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
06:07:20 ROD HAS GONE TO ALL KINDS OF EVENTS, AND EMCEE, AND DONE
06:07:25 A WONDERFUL JOB, AND I WANT THIS COUNCIL TO RECOGNIZE HIM
06:07:28 FOR HIS EFFORTS.
06:07:28 HE'S GOING TO NORTH CAROLINA TO BE A MAIN ANCHOR.
06:07:33 ON THE 6:00 P.M. SHOWS. HE'S ALWAYS WANTED IT. I'M
06:07:34 GLAD, AND GOD BLESS HIM.
06:07:38 SO IF I CAN GET A SECOND ON THAT, I WOULD REALLY
06:07:41 APPRECIATE IT.
06:07:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T THINK THAT
06:07:43 COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE IT UP.
06:07:45 FRANKLY, MY SUGGESTION IS IF YOU JUST SPEAK WITH MR.
06:07:48 MASSEY, AND BE PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT TO HAVE ON
06:07:53 THE AGENDA.
06:07:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WILL SEND IT OUT TOMORROW AND SEE IF
06:08:01 WE CAN HAVE IT AS A WALK-ON.
06:08:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES HAS A MOTION FOR
06:08:07 ROD CARTER, SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON.
06:08:10 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:08:11 OPPOSED?
06:08:11 COUNCILMAN GUDES?
06:08:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NOTHING SIR.
06:08:16 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
06:08:17 QUICKLY, IT'S OBVIOUS FROM THE CONVERSATIONS THIS MORNING
06:08:20 THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE SYSTEMIC ALLEY STRATEGY SO I
06:08:24 WILL TALK TO STAFF OFFLINE AND MAYBE YOU CAN TOO AND IF
06:08:28 YOU GO OUT WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR HOW TO BRING
06:08:30 IT BACK.
06:08:30 STAFF IS OVERBURDENED, SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT IT ON THE
06:08:33 AGENDA YET.
06:08:33 BUT I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THE BEST
06:08:36 APPROACH IS. SINCE I CAN'T TALK TO YOU UNDER SUNSHINE,
06:08:39 I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, AND I THINK SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE,
06:08:42 TOO, HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD
06:08:45 LEADERS AND ALSO CAROLE POST AND RANDY GOERS AND ABBYE
06:08:48 FEELEY, THE WHOLE STAFF, AND I AM TRYING TO COME UP WITH
06:08:52 AN ALTERNATIVE.
06:08:53 I KNOW OTHERS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN WORKING ON THIS, TOO,
06:08:57 TRYING TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TO A MORATORIUM
06:08:59 THAT WILL LOOK AT A BASKET OF SERVICES THAT WILL BE
06:09:02 WRAPPED AROUND THE PLAN THAT RANDY IS GOING TO BE
06:09:06 DIAGNOSIS FOR SOUTH OF GANDY, AND WE HAD A LONG
06:09:10 CONVERSATION WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS THE OTHER DAY.
06:09:13 THE POINT IS THAT STAFF IS GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A
06:09:18 MORATORIUM AND IMPLEMENT IT CAN INSTEAD BE USED TO
06:09:21 ACCELERATE THE PLANNING PROCESS AND BROADEN IT.
06:09:23 AND SO I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THIS OFFLINE BUT I
06:09:27 WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM DOING THAT IN CONCERT WITH
06:09:30 WHATEVER YOUR CONVERSATIONS ARE.
06:09:32 SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION THAT IS
06:09:37 SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMAN GUDES SAYS.
06:09:39 I SAID INSTEAD OF BEING IN AGAINST SOMETHING LET'S SEE
06:09:43 WHAT WE CAN BE IN FAVOR OF OR ADVOCATE FOR.
06:09:47 THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT.
06:09:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DON'T TELL US WHAT YOU CAN'T DO,
06:09:51 TELL US WHAT YOU CAN DO, IN THE WORDS OF COUNCILMAN
06:09:53 GUDES.
06:09:54 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
06:10:00 COUNCILMAN.
06:10:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MIRANDA NO, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
06:10:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING, SIR?
06:10:06 NO?
06:10:06 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
06:10:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:10:13 THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WOULD BE STAFF REPORTS, AND NO
06:10:19 URGENCY TO EITHER ONE.
06:10:21 WEB I WAS DOING MY WALK-AROUND IN THE EAST TAMPA
06:10:28 NEIGHBORHOOD WE CALM ACROSS SEVERAL STORMWATER PONDS, AND
06:10:32 THERE'S A COUPLE MUCH STORMWATER POND I THINK IN EAST
06:10:34 TAMPA THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED WITH WALKWAYS, I THINK ONE
06:10:38 ON MLK, AND THAT'S REALLY NICE.
06:10:42 BUT THEN I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ANOTHER THAT IS REALLY
06:10:47 HORRIFIC THAT GOT RUSTY CHAIN LINK FENCES, SHALL NOT
06:10:52 ACCESSIBLE, USUALLY THERE'S JUST GARBAGE DOWN THERE AND
06:10:56 THEY LOOK BAD, AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN WALKING TRACKS FOR
06:11:02 THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
06:11:04 SO, ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT BACK FROM STORMWATER
06:11:07 AND PARKS AND RECREATION AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO
06:11:13 CHIME IN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON HOW WE CAN TURN
06:11:18 STORMWATER PONDS INTO THE TAPES OF TRACKS, AND MORE
06:11:22 IMPORTANTLY HOW WE CAN FUND IT.
06:11:24 AND I SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS PART OF OUR STORMWATER FEE
06:11:29 THAT IS ON EVERYBODY'S AXIS SHOULD BE USED, YOU KNOW,
06:11:35 SMALL PERCENTAGE OF IT TO BE USED, STAFF DIDN'T SEAM TAKE
06:11:39 ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THAT.
06:11:41 SO I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THAT
06:11:45 ISSUE THE FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN MAY.
06:11:47 >> MAY, WE HAVE MAY 6th.
06:11:51 AND THAT IS REGULAR MEETING.
06:11:53 YES, SIR.
06:11:54 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
06:11:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT.
06:12:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VIRTUAL TO VIRTUAL IN PERSON.
06:12:05 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:12:07 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:12:09 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:12:09 ANY OPPOSED?
06:12:10 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
06:12:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
06:12:12 AND THE SECOND ONE BACK INTO THIS JOC ISSUE, AND I WAS
06:12:20 ASKING, I HAVE BEEN ASKING STAFF THIS QUESTION BUT I
06:12:23 THINK AGAIN I WOULD LIKE TO FLUSH IT OUT IN PUBLIC, IS WE
06:12:28 TALK ABOUT BBE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY HIRING THE
06:12:32 SUBCONTRACTORS.
06:12:33 BUT WHAT I AM WONDERING ABOUT IS DO ANY OF THE
06:12:37 CONTRACTORS HIRE LOCAL PEOPLE?
06:12:40 AND CHARLIE, I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS A LITTLE BIT IN
06:12:43 YOUR JOC DISCUSSION.
06:12:45 BUT I AM WONDERING, DID WE LEGALLY ASK -- AND MAYBE THIS
06:12:49 IS FOR CARL FROM THE LEGAL TEAM -- CAN WE LEGALLY ASK OUR
06:12:54 CONTRACTORS TO REPORT TO US WHERE THEIR EMPLOYEES LIVE IN
06:12:58 TERMS OF ZIP CODES?
06:13:02 BECAUSE I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THEY ARE
06:13:08 HIRING LOCALLY, AND THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IF THEY
06:13:11 ARE NOT HIRING LOCALLY, CAN WE LEGALLY EITHER ENCOURAGE
06:13:16 OR REQUIRE THEM TO START HIRING LOCALLY, IN CERTAIN
06:13:22 DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES?
06:13:23 AND THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH APPRENTICESHIP FOR THEM,
06:13:29 EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT WE CAN TRAIN ALL THE FAMILY WE WANT,
06:13:34 BUT IF THOSE CONTRACTORS ARE GOING OUT TO HIRE FROM
06:13:39 PASCO, PINELLAS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT DOESN'T RAISE UP
06:13:45 AND LIFT UP THE FOLKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
06:13:48 SO I WOULD LIKE LEGAL TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT, AND
06:13:56 LOOK INTO THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, AND I WOULD SAY THE
06:14:05 SECOND MEETING IN MAY.
06:14:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY IS MAY
06:14:08 20th UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
06:14:12 MAY 20th.
06:14:13 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
06:14:14 WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:14:16 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:14:19 ANY OPPOSED?
06:14:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
06:14:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. ZELMAN, YES, MA'AM.
06:14:25 >>ANDREA ZELMAN: MAY I SUGGEST ONE THING?
06:14:34 WHAT IS PREEMPTING THE ORDINANCE I BELIEVE ALSO HAS
06:14:37 LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PREVENT LOCAL HIRING REQUIREMENTS.
06:14:40 SO IT MAY BE WORTH WAITING UNTIL AFTER -- I CAN'T
06:14:44 REMEMBER NOW WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ENDS, MAYBE BY
06:14:47 MAY.
06:14:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL PUT IT OFF.
06:14:52 THAT'S FINE.
06:14:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION
06:14:55 LATER, WE CAN DO JUNE 3rd OR 17.
06:15:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JOHN 3rd.
06:15:03 I'M SURE THE SESSION WILL BE OVER BY THEN.
06:15:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
06:15:07 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:15:08 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:15:09 YAY.
06:15:10 ANYTHING ELSE?
06:15:10 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, SIR, THANK YOU.
06:15:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOR MY NEW BUSINESS, I KNOW THIS
06:15:17 MORNING WE HAD SOME SPEAKERS REGARDING SOME PARKING CODE
06:15:22 CHANGES AND WHATNOT.
06:15:23 I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW.
06:15:26 I WILL MAKE THE MOTION AT OUR MARCH 18th MEETING.
06:15:29 I WANT TO TALK WITH LEGAL.
06:15:30 I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
06:15:36 I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE
06:15:39 IT'S DONE RIGHT.
06:15:40 BUT I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FAMILY OF DR. FELDMAN,
06:15:47 IF YOU KNEW HIM, HE'S AN ORTHODONTIST HERE IN TAMPA, VERY
06:15:53 INVOLVED IN PHILANTHROPIC CHARITY ISSUES, ALL SORTS OF
06:15:58 STUFF.
06:15:59 RANDY FELDMAN, REALLY NICE MAN, PASSED AWAY YESTERDAY.
06:16:03 MY CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY.
06:16:05 I KNOW HE WAS BELOVED BY PEOPLE WHOSE BRACES HE PUT ON OR
06:16:09 PEOPLE THAT HE HELPED, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
06:16:11 I DON'T KNOW IF HIS ASSOCIATION WITH JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL.
06:16:15 HE MAY HAVE BEEN AN ALUMNAE.
06:16:16 BUT I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY.
06:16:19 BUT HE JUST PASSED AWAY.
06:16:21 SO MY CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY.
06:16:23 I KNOW HE WAS VERY WELL KNOWN IN TAMPA.
06:16:26 HE LOVED OVER HERE ON DAVIS ISLAND, I BELIEVE.
06:16:29 SO THAT'S IT.
06:16:30 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
06:16:32 >> SO MOVED.
06:16:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHIEF BENNETT, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW
06:16:36 BUSINESS, SIR?
06:16:38 >>JOHN BENNETT: I DO NOT.
06:16:39 I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WHEN THE
06:16:42 ALLEYWAY DISCUSSION WAS GOING ON, I REACHED OUTS TO KEITH
06:16:45 O'CONNOR AND MICHELLE VAN LOAN TO START GATHERING DATA ON
06:16:48 WHAT WE CAN DO.
06:16:49 SO I AM ALREADY WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
06:16:51 >>BILL CARLSON: GREAT.
06:16:53 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
06:16:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND
06:16:54 FILE?
06:16:56 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
06:16:58 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
06:16:59 ALL IN FAVOR?
06:17:01 AYE.
06:17:01 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
06:17:02 THANK YOU.
06:17:52 [ MEETING ADJOURNED ]
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