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CITY OF TAMPA WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 2021, 9:00 A.M.


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09:02:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

09:02:45 I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING TO

09:02:48 ORDER.

09:02:49 THE INVOCATION IS COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.

09:02:55 I WILL YIELD TO YOU, SIR.

09:02:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:03:01 THIS MORNING, WE'RE HONORED TO HAVE THE REVEREND JASON

09:03:04 SOWELL.

09:03:06 HE IS THE FOUNDER OF CURRENT INITIATIVES, A TAMPA BASED

09:03:10 NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WHOSE LAUNDRY PROJECT INITIATIVE HAS

09:03:13 SERVED THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES ACROSS THE BAY AREA FOR THE

09:03:17 LAST COUPLE OF DECADES.

09:03:19 JASON IS ALSO A CHAPLAIN WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT

09:03:23 AND HAS BEEN A MINISTER IN THE BAY AREA NEARLY 20 YEARS.

09:03:26 REVEREND SOWELL HAS JOINED US ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

09:03:29 CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR?

09:03:30 >> YES, SIR.

09:03:31 THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.




09:03:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PLEASE JOIN REVEREND SOWELL, STAND FOR

09:03:35 THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

09:03:38 >> GRACIOUS GOD, THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU'VE

09:03:42 GIVEN US HERE.

09:03:44 THANK YOU FOR THIS PLACE THAT WE CAN BE AND MAKE DECISIONS

09:03:51 AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

09:03:53 THANK YOU FOR THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE WISDOM THAT THEY

09:03:56 HAVE.

09:03:57 GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM GREATER WISDOM AS THEY

09:04:01 MAKE CHOICES AND DECISIONS FOR OUR CITY AS WE LOOK FORWARD

09:04:05 TO THE FUTURE.

09:04:06 THANK YOU FOR THESE GREAT MEMBERS THAT SERVE OUR CITY.

09:04:10 THANK YOU FOR THESE OFFICERS AND SO MANY OTHERS THAT MAKE

09:04:13 OUR CITY WHAT IT IS.

09:04:15 WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS US IN THESE NEXT FEW MOMENTS,

09:04:19 BLESS THIS DAY, AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN CHRIST'S NAME,

09:04:24 AMEN.

09:04:27 [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

09:04:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, REVEREND.

09:04:38 HAVE A GOOD DAY.

09:04:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.

09:04:40 ROLL CALL.

09:04:43 >>THE CLERK: VIERA?

09:04:44 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

09:04:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.




09:04:46 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

09:04:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

09:04:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

09:04:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

09:04:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

09:04:54 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

09:04:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:04:56 MR. SHELBY?

09:04:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF

09:04:59 THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL

09:05:01 ATTORNEY.

09:05:02 TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 22nd OF 2021.

09:05:06 WE'RE HERE AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

09:05:09 DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY AND THIS WORKSHOP OF

09:05:12 THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE

09:05:16 IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL

09:05:19 CHAMBERS.

09:05:20 HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS

09:05:23 OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY

09:05:25 THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA

09:05:29 STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.

09:05:32 THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY

09:05:34 RULES OF PROCEDURE.

09:05:35 AS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN RESOLUTION 2020-225 AND AS

09:05:41 AMENDED BY RESOLUTION 2020-490 AND RESOLUTION NUMBER




09:05:45 2021-241.

09:05:49 THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN

09:05:52 AND VIEW THE MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640, FRONTIER

09:05:55 CHANNEL 15, AND LIVE ON THE INTERNET AT

09:05:59 TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD, LIVESTREAM.

09:06:04 NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND

09:06:06 ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ALTERNATE METHODS WHICH ARE

09:06:11 AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE SEEN.

09:06:15 THE INSTRUCTIONS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL, ONE WORD.

09:06:20 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEND IN OR HAVE SENT IN WRITTEN

09:06:26 COMMENTS BY INTERNET, E-MAIL, U.S. MAIL.

09:06:30 THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT

09:06:33 AND THEY ARE, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A

09:06:36 COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA DEVICE HAVE THE OPTION OF PARTICIPATING

09:06:41 ON THE SECOND FLOOR AT OLD CITY HALL USING TECHNOLOGY THAT'S

09:06:45 BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:06:48 THAT'S THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY

09:06:51 BOULEVARD.

09:06:53 PLEASE NOTE THE USE OF MASKS AND DISTANCING INSIDE THE

09:06:58 BUILDING ARE REQUIRED.

09:06:59 NOW, REGISTRATION TO SPEAK REMOTELY HAD TO BE REQUESTED IN

09:07:03 ADVANCE AND THOSE INSTRUCTIONS AGAIN ARE ON THE CITY

09:07:06 COUNCIL'S WEBSITE, AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE WRITTEN

09:07:08 PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED BY MAIL AND E-MAIL HAVE BEEN

09:07:12 DELIVERED TO CITY COUNCIL.




09:07:17 I BELIEVE THAT ONE LAST ITEM, COUNCIL, IF ONE IS

09:07:20 PARTICIPATING IN THE WORKSHOP THROUGH THE CHAT FUNCTION, I

09:07:25 ASK THAT THE PUBLIC PLEASE REFRAIN FROM COMMUNICATING WITH

09:07:29 CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS USING THE CHAT FUNCTION DURING THE

09:07:31 MEETING.

09:07:32 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:07:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:07:33 BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YESTERDAY

09:07:37 WAS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY.

09:07:38 I WANT TO THANK MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, LISA, FOR ALL THAT SHE

09:07:42 DOES AND ALL SHE'S DONE THIS LAST YEAR SERVING HERE AS

09:07:45 CHAIR.

09:07:46 WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY, VERY MUCH AND WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE

09:07:49 IT WITHOUT YOU THAT GOES TO ALL THE AIDES.

09:07:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GREAT JOB THIS YEAR.

09:07:56 I WANT TO SAY SHE'S BEEN WONDERFUL TO EVERYBODY AND TO ALL

09:07:59 OF THE AIDES WHO HELP OUT, THANK YOU, LADIES.

09:08:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND GENTLEMAN.

09:08:06 LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT TIM.

09:08:07 GOT TO TALK ABOUT MY AIDE.

09:08:11 >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR.

09:08:13 SO IS THIS GOING TO BE YOUR LAST MORNING MEETING AS CHAIR.

09:08:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS MY LAST MORNING MEETING AS

09:08:19 CHAIR.

09:08:19 THIS EVENING WILL BE MY LAST MEETING AS CHAIR.




09:08:22 IN TWO WEEKS, WE HAVE ELECTIONS FOR A NEW CHAIR.

09:08:24 I'LL GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY, INSTEAD OF GIVING A SPEECH

09:08:27 TONIGHT OR NEXT TIME.

09:08:28 THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS HONOR TO SERVE AS CHAIRMAN.

09:08:31 I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING AND TRYING YEAR, BUT I

09:08:36 APPRECIATE THIS HONOR, AND WHOEVER IS THE NEXT CHAIR, I WISH

09:08:40 YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.

09:08:42 I HOPE IT GETS EASIER FROM HERE.

09:08:44 I KNOW IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD FROM WHAT WE'RE ALL

09:08:48 USED TO.

09:08:49 SO, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT, AND I THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING IN

09:08:52 ME AND SUPPORTING ME LAST YEAR IN ELECTING ME AS CHAIR.

09:08:55 I HOPE TO HAVE A GOOD LAST DAY HERE.

09:08:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, SIR.

09:09:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.

09:09:00 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:09:03 LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANCE, LIKE YOU POINTED

09:09:05 OUT, LISA, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

09:09:09 I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:09:12 WE'LL HAVE CHAIR ELECTIONS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE'LL

09:09:14 START SEEING THOSE NEGATIVE ADS ON TV.

09:09:17 THAT'S A JOKE.

09:09:20 >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR

09:09:22 LEADERSHIP.

09:09:24 THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGH 12 MONTHS FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE




09:09:27 WORLD UP. AND LISA HAVE RISEN TO THE OCCASION AND HELPED US

09:09:31 GET THROUGH ALL KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY AND DIFFERENT VENUES AND

09:09:34 MANAGE ISSUES.

09:09:36 I THINK YOUR DEMEANOR AND LEADERSHIP ENABLES SEVEN TYPE-A

09:09:43 PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND STILL HOLD EVERYTHING

09:09:47 TOGETHER.

09:09:47 WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU AND THANKS TO LISA FOR ALL THE

09:09:51 HARD WORK.

09:09:51 THANKS TO ALL THE DIGITAL PEOPLE AND OTHER STAFF WHO HELPED

09:09:54 US GOING BACK AND FORTH AND CONTINUE TO HELP US WITH THE

09:09:58 EVOLUTION OF EVERYTHING.

09:09:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABSOLUTELY.

09:10:00 THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.

09:10:02 EVERYBODY HERE AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

09:10:04 EVERYBODY AT CTTV.

09:10:05 I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER, JOHN BENNETT, HIS

09:10:10 LEADERSHIP AND WORK, REDOING THIS ROOM AND GOING BACK AND

09:10:13 FORTH AND GOING VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON, EVERYBODY HAD A HAND

09:10:18 IN IT.

09:10:18 I APPRECIATE IT.

09:10:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

09:10:21 A SONG HAS BEEN GOING ON IN MY HEAD ALL DAY.

09:10:24 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THE KNACK AND MY SHARONA.

09:10:30 WELL, I'VE BEEN SINGING DAMN CORONA ALL DAY LONG.

09:10:35 WAIT FOR IT.




09:10:37 WAIT FOR IT.

09:10:37 THERE YOU GO.

09:10:38 WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED AS CHAIR, WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN

09:10:41 THE HALLWAY, AND I SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH TIME.

09:10:44 YOU LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, "WE'RE MAKING HISTORY."

09:10:47 AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR.

09:10:49 WE'VE MADE HISTORY ON A LOT OF FRONTS.

09:10:52 AND DUE TO THIS PANDEMIC, I FEEL THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS

09:10:56 BECOME STRONGER, MORE RESILIENT IN OUR ABILITIES TO MEET

09:11:00 BOTH HERE, VIRTUALLY.

09:11:03 WE HAVE GOTTEN WORK DONE, AND YOU HAVE BEEN THE LEAD ON ALL

09:11:07 OF IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU.

09:11:10 I WANT TO THANK YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND AGAIN EVERYBODY

09:11:15 WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY, CHIEF BENNETT, ALL OUR

09:11:18 LEGAL.

09:11:19 MARTIN SHELBY, BUT HATS OFF TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.

09:11:24 THANK YOU FOR A WONDERFUL YEAR.

09:11:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.

09:11:26 I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GOOD TIME.

09:11:27 THANK YOU FOR TOLERATING MY TERRIBLE JOKES.

09:11:31 YOU KNOW HOW I AM.

09:11:34 I'M A NERD AT HEART.

09:11:37 ALL RIGHT.

09:11:37 THAT SETTLES THAT.

09:11:38 PUBLIC COMMENT.




09:11:38 IF WE HAVE ANYBODY IN PERSON TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND FLOOR --

09:11:42 >> ARE WE DOING POLICE OFFICER?

09:11:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SEE THE POLICE STANDING THERE.

09:11:51 ALL RIGHT.

09:11:52 LET'S DO THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH SINCE THEY ARE

09:11:54 HERE, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:12:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE TO RUN DOWN STAIRS.

09:12:06 PUT THE SONG IN YOUR HEAD AGAIN.

09:12:08 CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU DO NOT MIND, WE ARE HERE TO HONOR

09:13:13 DETECTIVE DANIEL McCLURE.

09:13:16 NOW, CHIEF KNOWS AND ALL THE TPD KNOW THAT IF I COULD GIVE

09:13:21 ONE OF THESE COMMENDATIONS OUT EVERY DAY TO OUR TPD

09:13:27 OFFICERS, ALL THE BRAVE WOMEN AND MEN, I WOULD, BUT WE'RE

09:13:31 ONLY ALLOWED TO GIVE ONE A MONTH.

09:13:34 AND THIS DESERVING OFFICER IS OUR CANDIDATE FOR TODAY.

09:13:39 AGAIN, CHIEF, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TELL THE REASONS WHY

09:13:43 THIS DETECTIVE IS WORTHY OF THIS.

09:13:47 BUT I FIRST WANT TO TELL THE PUBLIC THE SAME THING I ALWAYS

09:13:50 SAY.

09:13:51 WHEN THE TIME COMES AND THE POLICE ACADEMY, THE CITIZENS

09:13:56 POLICE ACADEMY COMES BACK, GO DO IT.

09:14:01 GO ENTER INTO IT.

09:14:03 SEE WHAT THESE OFFICERS GO THROUGH.

09:14:06 IT WOULD BE WORTH YOUR WHILE AND YOU'LL GET ALL NEW RESPECT

09:14:11 FOR OUR TPD OFFICERS.




09:14:13 CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL THE REASONS WHY THIS DETECTIVE

09:14:16 IS GOING TO RECEIVE THIS?

09:14:18 >> YES, THANK YOU.

09:14:19 GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

09:14:20 BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE.

09:14:23 AS WE WERE STANDING THERE TALKING, I WAS TALKING TO DAN

09:14:26 BEFORE WE GOT STARTED, AND I TOLD HIM AT THE END IF HE

09:14:30 WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS, HE COULD.

09:14:32 AND HE HAS DECLINED.

09:14:34 AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

09:14:36 YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND WHAT

09:14:39 HE TOLD ME WAS I JUST DID MY JOB.

09:14:42 I DID WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

09:14:44 SO I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HIS WORK ETHIC AND HOW HE

09:14:48 BELIEVES POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD CARRY THEMSELVES AND THE

09:14:51 THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD DO.

09:14:52 YOU KNOW, DAN IS AN EXCEPTIONAL INVESTIGATOR.

09:14:55 HE IS THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL AND DEMONSTRATES A

09:14:58 WILLINGNESS TO TAKE SELF-INITIATED LEADERSHIP ROLE.

09:15:02 AND DURING MARCH 2021, HE WAS ASSIGNED AS A DISTRICT TWO

09:15:06 ADVERSE DETECTIVE WHERE HE DEMONSTRATED THOSE OUTSTANDING

09:15:10 LEADERSHIP SKILLS.

09:15:12 WHAT THAT MEANS IS, WHEN YOU'RE THE ADVERSE DETECTIVE, YOU

09:15:16 WORK THE NIGHT SHIFT.

09:15:18 AND YOU HANDLE WHATEVER CASES THAT MAY COME UP THAT REQUIRE




09:15:21 A DETECTIVE DO FOLLOW-UP.

09:15:23 THAT SAME MONTH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAD THE LOSS OF MPO

09:15:28 JESSE MADSEN IN A WRONG-WAY DRIVER CRASH.

09:15:31 THE INVESTIGATION REQUIRED MANY PATROL UNITS TO MAINTAIN THE

09:15:35 SCENE AND SUPERVISORS TO ENSURE THAT THE NUMEROUS TASKS THAT

09:15:40 NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT CRASH WERE COMPLETED.

09:15:43 AT THE SAME TIME, OTHER EMERGENCIES OCCURRED AND THE

09:15:47 PROTECTION OF OUR CITIZENS HAD TO BE PROVIDED.

09:15:51 DETECTIVE McCLURE STEPPED UP AND BECAME THE DISTRICT'S

09:15:54 ACTING SUPERVISOR AS WELL AS DOING THE WORK OF THE ONLY

09:15:58 ON-DUTY INVESTIGATOR THAT WAS NOT ASSIGNED TO THE FATALITY

09:16:02 ACCIDENT.

09:16:03 I THINK SOMETIMES THAT GETS LOST ON PEOPLE.

09:16:05 WHEN YOU HAVE THESE BIG SCENES, WHETHER IT BE A POLICE

09:16:08 OFFICER'S DEATH OR A MAJOR ACCIDENT, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF

09:16:12 PEOPLE TO STEP UP AND DO THEIR JOB.

09:16:15 STATEMENT, WE STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE POLICE SERVICES TO THE

09:16:19 REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

09:16:20 THERE WAS AN INCIDENT DURING THE SAME TIME AS THE ACCIDENT

09:16:25 WHERE SOMEONE HAD BEEN SHOT.

09:16:27 DETECTIVE McCLURE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO WORK INVESTIGATING

09:16:29 THE CASE AND LATER DURING THE SAME SHIFT, HE RESPOND TO A

09:16:33 REPORT OF MAN FLAGGING DOWN TRAFFIC AND LOOKING FOR HELP

09:16:36 BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN STABBED IN HIS THROAT.

09:16:39 DETECTIVE McCLURE WORKED WITH PATROL OFFICERS TO FOLLOW A




09:16:43 BLOOD TRAIL BACK TO THE MOTEL ROOM.

09:16:46 HE WORKED THIS INVESTIGATION AND DEVELOPED LEADS UNTIL HIS

09:16:49 DAY SHIFT TIME, AND THE OFFICERS DURING THE DAY WERE ABLE TO

09:16:53 TAKE OVER.

09:16:53 HIS INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE AND COORDINATION OF INFORMATION

09:16:57 AND THE RESOURCES MADE THE TRANSITION OF THE INVESTIGATION

09:17:01 THROUGH OTHER DETECTIVES SEAMLESS.

09:17:03 IN A DIFFERENT CASE, DETECTIVE McCLURE WORKS VERY HARD TO

09:17:07 PROVE INNOCENCE JUST AS HE DOES TO PROVE GUILT.

09:17:15 TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS BOTH MATCHING A DESCRIPTION A WITNESS

09:17:18 GAVE OF AN AUTO BURGLARY SUSPECT HAD FLED FROM OFFICERS AS

09:17:21 THEY APPROACHED THE AREA.

09:17:23 PATROL OFFICERS HAD ONE OF THE SUBJECTS DETAINED.

09:17:26 A HELICOPTER WAS RESPONDING TO THE AREA WHERE OFFICERS WERE

09:17:29 SETTING UP A PERIMETER TO LOCATE THE OTHER SUBJECT.

09:17:32 DETECTIVE McCLURE RESPONDED TO WHERE THE ONE SUBJECT WAS

09:17:38 BEING HELD.

09:17:39 WHILE TALKING TO DETECTIVE McCLURE, THE SUBJECT ADMITTED

09:17:43 TO RUNNING FROM THE POLICE, BUT HE INSISTED THAT HE WAS

09:17:47 INNOCENT AND WAS AT HOME WITH HIS MOTHER AT THE TIME OF THE

09:17:50 BURGLARY.

09:17:51 SO MOST PEOPLE, MOST COPS WOULD THINK, WELL, IF YOU'RE

09:17:54 INNOCENT, WHY DID YOU RUN FROM THE POLICE?

09:17:56 HE'S SAYING HE WAS AT HOME WITH HIS MOTHER AT THE TIME.

09:18:00 HIS DESCRIPTION AND THE FACT THAT HE FLED FROM OFFICERS GAVE




09:18:03 THEM REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT HE WAS THE SUSPECT AND

09:18:09 PROBABLE CAUSE FOR AN ARREST AT THE TIME.

09:18:11 BUT DAN McCLURE DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ENSURING THAT A

09:18:14 THOROUGH INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED AND FOLLOWED UP ON THE

09:18:18 SUSPECT'S STATEMENTS.

09:18:19 BECAUSE OF THIS, HE WAS ABLE TO EXONERATE THE SUBJECT FROM A

09:18:23 VIDEO HE LOCATED WHICH SHOWED HIM AT THE HOUSE AT THE TIME

09:18:28 OF THE OFFENSE.

09:18:29 HERE HE WAS ABLE TO CLEAR SOMEBODY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN

09:18:32 ARRESTED BUT WASN'T AND WHO DID NOT DO THE CRIME.

09:18:35 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

09:18:37 WHETHER HE'S DEALING WITH A VICTIM OR A SUSPECT, DETECTIVE

09:18:40 McCLURE FULFILLS THE IDEALS OF THE MISSION OF THE TAMPA

09:18:44 POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT IS TO REDUCE CRIME AND ENHANCE

09:18:47 THE QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH

09:18:50 ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.

09:18:51 IN RECOGNITION OF HIS HARD WORK AND EXCELLENT INVESTIGATIVE

09:18:54 SKILLS, DETECTIVE DAN McCLURE HAS BEEN SELECTED AS OFFICER

09:18:58 OF THE MONTH FOR MARCH 2021.

09:19:01 CONGRATULATIONS.

09:19:03 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:19:13 >> BECAUSE OF YOUR DEDICATION TO SERVICE, COMMITMENT TO

09:19:15 EXCELLENCE, AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY, YOU

09:19:19 HAVE BEEN CHOSEN FOR THIS MARK OF DISTINCTION AS OFFICER OF

09:19:22 THE MONTH.




09:19:24 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOUR PEERS, YOU'RE SUPERIORS WOULD LIKE

09:19:28 TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, DEDICATION TO THE

09:19:32 COMMUNITY IN WHICH YOU SERVE.

09:19:34 WE COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, PROFESSIONALISM,

09:19:38 FAIRNESS, AND STRONG WORK ETHICS.

09:19:42 IN HONOR OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, I AM HONORED BY THE

09:19:46 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO PRESENT DETECTIVE DANIEL McCLURE

09:19:49 WITH THIS COMMENDATION, APRIL 22nd, 2021.

09:19:55 CONGRATULATIONS.

09:19:56 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:20:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM THE

09:20:04 COUNCILMEN.

09:20:08 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

09:20:10 DETECTIVE, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

09:20:13 WHAT THE CHIEF SAID ABOUT YOU SAYING, LOOK, I'M JUST DOING

09:20:17 MY JOB, AND WE'RE HONORING YOU FOR THAT.

09:20:19 THE TRUTH IS, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT JOB THAT YOU HAVE, AND

09:20:22 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO WHICH IS A VERY SMALL TOKEN OF

09:20:26 APPRECIATION TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DO WHAT YOU DO.

09:20:29 BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE REALLY, TO MEASURE THE JOB THAT YOU DO,

09:20:34 WHAT THE CHIEF JUST WENT OVER DAY BY DAY WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO

09:20:37 GO THROUGH IN DEALING WITH TRAUMATIC SITUATIONS LIKE THAT,

09:20:40 JUST LAST NIGHT IN NEW TAMPA, A MOTHER DROWNED AFTER A CAR

09:20:45 ACCIDENT.

09:20:46 HER 12-YEAR-OLD GOT OUT.




09:20:47 FIRST RESPONDERS WERE AT THE SCENE, POLICE OFFICERS,

09:20:50 FIREFIGHTERS, E.M.S., THE THINGS THOSE MEN AND WOMEN GO

09:20:54 THROUGH IN SEEING THAT SITUATION, HOW DO YOU PROPERLY THANK

09:20:57 SOMEBODY FOR THAT.

09:20:58 YOU DON'T.

09:21:00 OR YOU CAN'T, I SHOULD SAY.

09:21:01 THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU

09:21:05 GUYS DO, YOU MEN AND WOMEN DO ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS.

09:21:08 TRY TO HAVE AS MUCH RESPECT AS WE CAN AND TRY TO JUST BE AS

09:21:14 SUPPORTIVE AS WE CAN, NOT JUST FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU, BUT ALSO

09:21:17 FOR YOUR FAMILIES AND SENDING YOU ALL OFF EVERY DAY FOR A

09:21:21 JOB THAT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

09:21:23 THIS IS A TINY TOKEN OF ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT COUNCIL CAN

09:21:26 DO AND THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN DO JUST TO SHOW OUR

09:21:30 APPRECIATION.

09:21:30 BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

09:21:34 THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.

09:21:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, COUNCIL

09:21:38 MEMBER VIERA.

09:21:39 I KNOW WHAT AN ADVERSE DETECTIVE DOES.

09:21:43 IT'S A BUSY TIME IN THE EVENING TIME, GUY COMES ON, AND

09:21:48 EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR A DETECTIVE.

09:21:52 WHEN THAT ADVERSE DETECTIVE COMES ON, HE HAS A LOT OF

09:21:54 RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE HE MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON TO HANDLE

09:21:58 MULTIPLE INCIDENTS LIKE THE CHIEF WAS SAYING.




09:22:00 HE HAD A BUNCH OF THINGS GOING ON.

09:22:02 BUT THE ONE THING THAT REALLY GOT TO ME WHEN THE CHIEF READ

09:22:06 ABOUT THAT HE TOOK THE EXTRA TIME TO NOT TAKE AN INNOCENT

09:22:09 PERSON TO JAIL, THAT SAYS A LOT THAT YOU TOOK THE EXTRA

09:22:13 STEPS TO MAKE SURE AND NOT JUST SAY, WELL, I THINK I GOT A

09:22:18 PERSON.

09:22:18 WE'LL LET THE STATE ATTORNEY FIND OUT, WHATEVER.

09:22:21 YOU TOOK THE EXTRA STEPS TO DO THE JOB.

09:22:23 I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT.

09:22:24 THAT'S GREAT WORK ETHIC.

09:22:27 AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG DAY.

09:22:28 I KNOW YOU'RE HUMBLED AND WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

09:22:31 AGAIN, I'VE BEEN THERE WHERE YOU ARE AT.

09:22:34 I KNOW THE FEELING YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

09:22:35 AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO

09:22:38 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:22:40 CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

09:22:40 >> THANK YOU.

09:22:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:22:43 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

09:22:43 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND YOUR COLLEAGUES

09:22:46 FOR KEEPING ALL OF US SAFE AND FOR FACING THE SITUATIONS

09:22:53 THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO FACE EVERY DAY.

09:22:56 MOST OF US COULDN'T FACE THE STRESS AND THE HORRORS THAT YOU

09:23:01 ALL DEAL WITH.




09:23:02 I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

09:23:04 ALSO, SORRY IF I MISSED IT, CHIEF DUGAN, BUT THE PERSON WHO

09:23:09 WAS STABBED IN THE NECK, DID HE SURVIVE OR NOT?

09:23:12 >> YES, HE DID.

09:23:13 >>BILL CARLSON: HE DID.

09:23:14 OKAY.

09:23:14 THANK YOU, YOU SAVED A LIFE THERE, SO THANK YOU.

09:23:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:23:18 ANYBODY ELSE?

09:23:18 CONGRATULATIONS, SIR, ON THIS WELL RECEIVED HONOR.

09:23:23 AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, THIS IS A SMALL TOKEN OF

09:23:26 OUR APPRECIATION SO WE THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

09:23:29 WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, SIR?

09:23:31 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:23:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF WE CAN, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT

09:23:36 HIM WITH A FEW GIFTS FROM OUR PARTNERS IN THIS, IS THAT ALL

09:23:40 RIGHT WITH YOU?

09:23:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

09:23:44 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

09:23:45 JIMMY OWENS, VICE PRESIDENT OF TAMPA PBA.

09:23:47 FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE

09:23:51 OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE ONE OF OUR MEMBERS A COMMENDATION FOR

09:23:54 THE GREAT WORK THEY DID IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH AND OBVIOUSLY

09:23:56 FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND SO FORTH.

09:23:59 DETECTIVE McCLURE, I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR QUITE A WHILE.




09:24:02 I KNEW HE HAD A COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO

09:24:04 WHEN I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM IN THE DETECTIVES DIVISION.

09:24:07 HE WAS ASSIGNED TO OUR DIVISION AS AN OFFICER.

09:24:10 AT THAT POINT, HIS WORK PRODUCT AND HIS SKILLS WERE THAT OF

09:24:15 SOMEONE WHO IS MUCH SENIOR THAN WHAT HE WAS AT THE TIME.

09:24:18 WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT HIM THIS PLAQUE ON BEHALF OF

09:24:21 THE TAMPA PBA.

09:24:30 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

09:24:31 STEVE MICHELINI.

09:24:33 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND

09:24:37 ENTERPRISES, ONE OF THEM IS THE TAMPA METROPOLITAN YMCA.

09:24:40 AND THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE DETECTIVE McCLURE WITH A

09:24:44 GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN ENJOY HIMSELF AT THE Y.

09:24:48 ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, PROVIDING HIM WITH

09:24:52 A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN ENJOY HIMSELF BREAKFAST, LUNCH,

09:24:55 OR DINNER AT THEIR RESTAURANTS.

09:24:57 ON BEHALF OF PRESTIGE PORTRAITS, WE'RE PROVIDING HIM WITH A

09:25:00 GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN HAVE HIS FAMILY PORTRAITS DONE OR

09:25:04 HIS INDIVIDUAL.

09:25:04 AND ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, WE'RE

09:25:08 PROVIDING HIM WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN ENJOY

09:25:10 HIMSELF AT LUNCH OR DINNER.

09:25:12 WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS SERVICE TO THIS

09:25:15 COMMUNITY, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE WHAT HE'S DOING.

09:25:18 AND WE JOIN THE MANY OTHERS WHO STAND BEHIND THE BLUE, AND




09:25:24 WE APPRECIATE THOSE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE HAD THAT

09:25:28 GREAT SERVICE TO SPEAK UP AND ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

09:25:30 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:25:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:25:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, ON BEHALF OF MS. MARY LOU BAILEY

09:25:39 FROM ZOO TAMPA, SHE COULD NOT BE HERE, BUT SHE LEFT THE

09:25:45 DETECTIVE SOME PASSES TO ZOO TAMPA.

09:25:50 I HOPE YOU ACCEPT THOSE.

09:25:51 ALSO, DETECTIVE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE USUALLY

09:25:54 HERE THAT COULD NOT MAKE IT TODAY, BUT THEY WILL MAKE SURE

09:25:58 THAT YOU RECEIVE THOSE THINGS.

09:25:59 AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.

09:26:01 DO YOU WANT TO TALK ANYMORE?

09:26:02 >> NO, SIR.

09:26:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:26:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU SURE.

09:26:06 >> POSITIVE.

09:26:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, DETECTIVE.

09:26:07 THANK YOU, CHIEF.

09:26:09 I'VE BEEN INFORMED ONCE OUR POSITIVITY RATE DROPS BELOW

09:26:14 FIVE, THE TALKS OF THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY FOR THE TAMPA

09:26:17 PD WILL BE BACK.

09:26:20 AGAIN, I URGE EVERYONE TO ATTEND THAT PROGRAM JUST TO SEE

09:26:25 WHAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY DAY.

09:26:27 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.




09:26:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:26:29 WE'LL SANITIZE THE LECTERN AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THOSE

09:26:33 HERE IN PERSON, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

09:26:37 ALL RIGHT.

09:27:07 IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK IN PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE

09:27:10 COME TO THE KIOSK AND STATE YOUR NAME.

09:27:14 YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

09:27:15 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:27:17 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

09:27:19 >> MY NAME IS LINDA QUINN.

09:27:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.

09:27:22 GO AHEAD.

09:27:25 >> I WANT TO TURN ON MY TIMER HERE SO THEN I SHARE AND STAY

09:27:28 WITHIN MY LIMITS.

09:27:29 MY NAME IS LINDA QUINN.

09:27:30 I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED ARMENIA GARDENS ESTATES.

09:27:35 I HAVE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEGREE, A PARALEGAL DEGREE AND A

09:27:38 DEGREE IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP.

09:27:39 I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT MY CONCERN WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

09:27:44 APPARENTLY IT HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL INCARNATIONS, AND NOW

09:27:50 IT SEEMS TO NOT BE SO EQUITABLE TO CITIZENS.

09:27:56 AS YOU KNOW, THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION SETS FORTH LANGUAGE TO

09:28:00 PROTECT CITIZENS FOR HARMFUL EFFECTS OF NOISE POLLUTION.

09:28:05 WHO HAS DONE STUDIES TO SHOW THAT NOISE POLLUTION, IT

09:28:11 DECREASES PRODUCTIVITY.




09:28:13 IT REDUCES READING ATTENUATION.

09:28:15 IT CAUSES SLEEP DISTURBANCES.

09:28:18 IT INCREASES AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR IN PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY

09:28:22 AGGRESSIVE, AND IT ALSO HAS CHILDREN, THEY SUFFER FROM

09:28:27 LEARNED HELPLESSNESS.

09:28:31 THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY, IT ONLY HAS

09:28:35 SUBJECTIVE MEASURES.

09:28:36 I DON'T KNOW WHY THE OBJECTIVE MEASUREMENTS HAVE BEEN

09:28:40 DELETED ON OR ABOUT MARCH 2017, WHERE THEY RECORDED DECIBEL

09:28:46 LEVELS, AND NOW IT'S SOLELY SUBJECTIVE.

09:28:52 IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH A SWORN COMPLAINT FROM A PERSON, AND

09:28:56 THE MEASUREMENT HAS TO BE TAKEN WITHIN THE HOME.

09:29:00 MANY PEOPLE ARE VERY FRIGHTENED TO REPORT NOISE COMPLAINTS

09:29:04 FROM BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORS.

09:29:05 THEY ARE AFRAID OF RAMIFICATIONS AND THAT CAUSES A BIG

09:29:09 PROBLEM.

09:29:10 SOME OF THE THINGS, AND I SENT OVER SOME PAPERWORK WHERE I

09:29:16 DID MY RESEARCH, PROPER MACHINERY NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN

09:29:21 DISTRICT TWO.

09:29:22 MY UNDERSTANDING IS ONLY DISTRICT ONE HAS NOISE METERS.

09:29:26 THESE NOISE METERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECORD DBC WHICH

09:29:31 RECORDS LOW-LEVEL FREQUENCY, AND THAT IS WHAT IS MOST

09:29:36 BOTHERSOME AND PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITIZENS BECAUSE IT'S THE

09:29:41 BASS THAT YOU HEAR THROUGH THE GROUND.

09:29:43 I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER HAVING SOME SORT OF A TASK




09:29:48 FORCE SPECIALIZED TRAINED, DEDICATED PERSONNEL, RATHER THAN

09:29:51 USING TPD FOR NOISE COMPLAINT CALLS BECAUSE THERE ARE A

09:29:58 CONSTELLATION OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

09:30:01 AND I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME.

09:30:03 THE CODE NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN VERY SPECIFICALLY SO THEN IT'S

09:30:15 DEFENSIBLE ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

09:30:17 THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIG PROBLEM.

09:30:20 IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC AT ANY VOLUME, IT'S

09:30:24 NOT YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.

09:30:25 IT IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT OF LISTENING TO WHATEVER

09:30:27 YOU'D LIKE.

09:30:28 AND MY TIME IS UP.

09:30:30 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

09:30:31 I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK.

09:30:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABSOLUTELY.

09:30:33 THANK YOU.

09:30:34 HAVE A GOOD DAY.

09:30:38 >>LUIS VIERA: HOW MANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC

09:30:41 COMMENT?

09:30:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIX OR SEVEN IN PERSON AND A COUPLE

09:30:44 REGISTERED.

09:30:44 >>LUIS VIERA: NOT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT I

09:30:47 KNOW HE HAD TO DO HIS PRESENTATION AT 9:30, WAS IT, SIR?

09:30:52 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST BY 10:30.

09:30:54 I APPRECIATE IT.




09:30:55 LET'S LET PUBLIC COMMENT GO.

09:31:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

09:31:04 GO AHEAD.

09:31:05 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

09:31:07 >> HELLO.

09:31:08 MY NAME IS CLAYTON LONG.

09:31:10 I LIVE WITH MY WIFE AT 1815 EAST 18th AVENUE IN EAST

09:31:14 TAMPA, NORTH YBOR AREA.

09:31:16 EXACTLY ONE AND POINT EIGHT MILES FROM THIS LOCATION.

09:31:16 I'M A BUSINESS OWNER.

09:31:19 LIFE LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.

09:31:20 I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION

09:31:22 SERVICES.

09:31:23 I ALSO ECHO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER'S CONCERNS ON THE NOISE

09:31:29 STUFF, TOO, BY THE WAY.

09:31:30 LAST WEEK, I CAME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT SOME

09:31:33 PROBLEMS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNING

09:31:35 AN INVESTOR.

09:31:37 HE HAD CONSTRUCTION CREWS DOING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF

09:31:40 UNPERMITTED WORK ON AT LEAST TWO PROPERTIES IN THE EAST

09:31:43 TAMPA, NORTH YBOR AREA.

09:31:46 ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND THE FOCUS OF MY VISIT LAST WEEK

09:31:49 IS NEXT DOOR TO ME.

09:31:50 IT HAD TWO STOP WORK ORDERS ATTACHED TO IT.

09:31:53 I SPOKE ABOUT HOW AFTER THE FIRST STOP WORK ORDER, THE OWNER




09:31:55 SUBMITTED AN OWNER BUILDER PERMIT APPLICATION.

09:31:57 I ALSO DISCUSSED HOW THE PLANS FOR HIS PERMIT APPLICATION

09:31:59 DID NOT MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR HIS SCOPE OF WORK

09:32:02 AND YET THEY WERE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY AFTER INITIAL REVIEW.

09:32:06 MEANWHILE, MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET WHOSE HOUSE HAS

09:32:09 BEEN IN HIS FAMILY FOR GENERATIONS IS STRUGGLING TO GET HIS

09:32:12 PLANS APPROVED BY THE CITY TO PUT A SHED ON HIS

09:32:14 10,000-SQUARE-FOOT PROPERTY THAT IS PRESENTLY BEING BUILT BY

09:32:19 A SHED BUILDING COMPANY COMPLETE WITH DETAILED, SIGNED, AND

09:32:23 SEALED PLANS WITH FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVALS.

09:32:26 THAT ASIDE, I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT JC HUTCHINSON AT TAMPA

09:32:30 CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTACTED ME THIS WEEK TO SAY THAT HE

09:32:32 AGREES THAT THE PLANS SUBMITTED BY THE OWNER OF 1813 EAST

09:32:36 18th AVENUE DID NOT MEET THE SCOPE OF WORK IDENTIFIED NOR

09:32:41 DID THEY MEET THE CITY'S BUILDING PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

09:32:43 HE ALSO SAID THAT HE WILL ASSURE ME THAT THE PLANS WILL BE

09:32:48 SUBMITTED TO SPEC BEFORE WORK BEGINS.

09:32:50 THIS IS A SMALL VICTORY FOR MY BLOCK, AND IT'S A SMALL

09:32:55 VICTORY FOR EAST TAMPA WHICH HAS CERTAINLY SEEN AND WHICH

09:32:58 CONTINUES TO SEE ITS SHARE OF PREDATORY REAL ESTATE

09:33:03 INVESTORS.

09:33:03 SO ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND MYSELF, I THINK A

09:33:06 THANK-YOU IS IN ORDER BECAUSE SMALL VICTORIES ARE STILL

09:33:09 VICTORIES.

09:33:09 AND THIS VICTORY HAD SOME HELP FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.




09:33:12 SO THANK YOU, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

09:33:16 I'D ALSO LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN GUDES WHO

09:33:19 VISITED MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNING THIS MATTER.

09:33:22 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR SHOWING UP FOR EAST TAMPA.

09:33:25 WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.

09:33:27 CERTAINLY, THE WORK IS NOT DONE, FROM WHERE MY NEIGHBORS AND

09:33:30 I STAND, IT IS FAR TOO EASY FOR PREDATORY REAL ESTATE

09:33:35 INVESTORS TO PREY ON STRUGGLING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT IS FAR

09:33:37 TOO DIFFICULT FOR LONGTIME HOMEOWNER RESIDENTS TO IMPROVE

09:33:40 THEIR OWN PROPERTIES.

09:33:42 IF NOTHING ELSE, I HOPE MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S EXAMPLE HIGHLIGHTS

09:33:45 THIS PRESENT REALITY.

09:33:46 THANK YOU.

09:33:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

09:33:50 ALL RIGHT.

09:34:02 WE'LL SANITIZE THE LECTERN AND HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER.

09:34:05 YES, SIR.

09:34:17 GO AHEAD.

09:34:18 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

09:34:20 YOU KNOW, I'M HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK, AND I'M ALWAYS HERE TO

09:34:24 SAY THE SAME THING THAT WE REPRESENT 26% OF THIS POPULATION,

09:34:29 AND WE DON'T GET 26% OF ANY OF THE GOODNESS OUT OF THIS

09:34:32 CITY.

09:34:33 AND WHAT IT IS THROUGH DISTRACTIONS AND INTIMIDATION, BLACK

09:34:37 PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET TO DISCUSS THE REAL SITUATIONS,




09:34:42 THROUGH DISTRACTIONS AND INTIMIDATION, THROUGH BULLYING,

09:34:45 CITY COUNCIL HAS A REPUTATION OF BULLYING AFRICAN PEOPLE

09:34:48 THINKING THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED BY THE THINGS

09:34:51 THEY DO, THE WAY THEY GO ABOUT, HAVE A BIG POLICE PRESENCE

09:34:54 FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUTSIDE THE WHOLE WORKS.

09:34:57 THAT'S A FORM OF INTIMIDATION.

09:34:59 IT'S A FORM OF BULLYING.

09:35:00 IT'S A FORM OF SHOWING AFRICAN PEOPLE WOULD NEVER GET TO

09:35:04 DISCUSS OUR REAL SITUATIONS, OUR REAL SITUATIONS OF

09:35:07 COLONIALISM, CAPITALISM, REPARATIONS, POLICE VIOLENCE,

09:35:12 600,000 BICYCLE STOPS RIGHT IN THE CITY.

09:35:15 THE POLICE NATIONWIDE KILL ABOUT -- MURDER ABOUT A HUNDRED

09:35:20 AFRICAN PEOPLE EVERY DAY AS GOD MADE DAY.

09:35:24 MURDERED BY THE HUNDRED AFRICAN PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY, THE

09:35:27 POLICE, THE POLICE GANGS, POLICE OUTLAW UNITS, PEOPLE WITH

09:35:30 POLICE, KU KLUX KLAN INFILTRATED POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL

09:35:39 THIS STUFF GOING ON.

09:35:40 WHAT HAPPENS IS DEVELOPERS RUN THIS CITY AND THE CITY IS ON

09:35:43 AUTOMATIC.

09:35:43 AND WHEN AFRICAN PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR

09:35:48 SITUATIONS ABOUT OUR TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS, NOBODY WANT TO

09:35:51 HEAR ABOUT IT.

09:35:52 UNDERSTAND?

09:35:52 600 YEARS WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THIS AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.

09:35:55 600 YEARS.




09:35:56 SO I'M NOT CONFUSED BY THE DISTRACTIONS.

09:35:59 I'M NOT CONFUSED BY THE BULLYING OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE

09:36:03 SITTING UPSTAIRS THINKING THEY ARE SITTING UP HIGH ABOUT THE

09:36:06 BULLYING, ABOUT THE, HEY, WE WOULD BE ARRESTED.

09:36:09 YOU CAN'T SPEAK.

09:36:10 YOU CAN'T SAY THIS.

09:36:11 YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS US AS A BODY.

09:36:12 YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT US INDIVIDUALLY.

09:36:14 IT'S JUST ALL PART OF BULLYING.

09:36:16 THAT'S ALL IT IS.

09:36:17 THAT'S WHAT THE BULLY DO.

09:36:18 AND THEY WANT AFRICAN PEOPLE TO BE SCARED.

09:36:20 BUT THE FACTS OF THE MATTER IS ALWAYS, I'M GOING TO BE AN

09:36:23 INSPIRATION FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE TO LET OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, OUR

09:36:26 ELDERLY PEOPLE, PEOPLE SHUT IN, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING

09:36:30 HOMELESSNESS, MENTAL ILLNESS AND ALL THE OTHER TRIALS AND

09:36:33 TRIBULATIONS.

09:36:34 PEOPLE EXPERIENCING DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION DUE TO CHILD

09:36:37 SUPPORT AND OTHER NONSENSE.

09:36:38 NONSENSE.

09:36:40 HATRED.

09:36:41 HATEFUL THINGS THEY DO TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.

09:36:43 BICYCLES STOPPING YOU AND YOU CAN'T GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

09:36:46 BICYCLES STOPPING YOU AND YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE SITTING

09:36:49 UPSTAIRS WANT TO BE TREATED AS KINGS AND QUEENS.




09:36:52 YOU CAN TELL HOW DISCRIMINATORY THE THING IS.

09:36:54 NOT ONE WOMAN SITTING UP THERE.

09:36:56 NOT ONE FEMALE SITTING UP THERE.

09:36:58 SO IT'S NOT A TRUE REFLECTION OR REPRESENTATION OF THE

09:37:01 POPULATION.

09:37:02 YOU UNDERSTAND?

09:37:03 AND NOBODY REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.

09:37:06 ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE.

09:37:07 NOBODY TALKS ABOUT REPARATIONS.

09:37:09 NOBODY TALKS ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE.

09:37:11 NOBODY TALKS ABOUT 26% OF THE POPULATION THAT WE REPRESENT,

09:37:16 WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF THE DEAL?

09:37:17 ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING.

09:37:19 AND CITY COUNCIL UPSTAIRS CAN'T DO NOTHING, NOT GOING TO DO

09:37:22 ANYTHING.

09:37:23 GO DOWN IN SOUTH TAMPA.

09:37:25 GO DOWN IN MY AREA IN SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA AND SEE WHAT

09:37:28 THEY ARE DOING.

09:37:29 BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.

09:37:30 GO AND SEE WHEN IT RAINS JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER ON DALE

09:37:33 MABRY AND HENDERSON, HIGH FLOODS, WITH JUST 20 MINUTES OF

09:37:39 RAIN AND SEE HOW THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SO MANY YEARS.

09:37:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.

09:37:44 ALL RIGHT.

09:37:51 NEXT SPEAKER.




09:37:52 YES, MA'AM.

09:38:04 GO AHEAD.

09:38:05 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:38:11 THE NATION HAD A SIGH OF RELIEF.

09:38:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR NAME.

09:38:14 >> CONNIE BURTON.

09:38:15 I'M SORRY.

09:38:15 THE NATION HAD A SIGH OF RELIEF FROM THE VERDICT THE OTHER

09:38:22 DAY.

09:38:25 I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS CITY AND THIS COUNCIL DO NOT

09:38:30 FORGET THE DEATH OF ARTHUR GREEN, AND HOW THAT HAS GONE

09:38:39 UNSOLVED.

09:38:40 SO WHY PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRACTICES AND PATTERNS AND

09:38:45 HOW NOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS MOVING IN TO LOOK AT

09:38:51 CITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY THAT HAVE THE PRACTICES OF

09:38:57 FURTHER INTIMIDATING AFRICAN PEOPLE, NOT RECOGNIZING WHEN

09:39:01 PEOPLE ARE IN DISTRESS, BUT IT LEADS TO NOT ONLY BODILY HARM

09:39:08 BUT SOMETIMES DEATH.

09:39:10 AND TO YOU, COUNCILMAN, AS YOU ARE ABOUT TO CELEBRATE YOUR

09:39:16 ONE-YEAR RETIREMENT AS THE CHAIR, I'M REMINDED OF ALL OF THE

09:39:22 FORMER MAYORS THAT HAD ABOUT EIGHT YEARS IN THEIR

09:39:27 RELATIONSHIP LEADING THE CITY.

09:39:29 AND WE JUST LOOK AT THE LAST FOUR, THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO

09:39:33 ABOUT 32 YEARS.

09:39:36 AND I RECOGNIZE THAT AS ONGOING, WILLFUL PRACTICE OF DENYING




09:39:41 THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY TO BE A SELF-DETERMINED COMMUNITY.

09:39:46 WE CAN IDENTIFY.

09:39:47 WE COME DOWN HERE AND WE IDENTIFY EVERY WEEK THE ISSUES THAT

09:39:52 ARE PLAGUING OUR COMMUNITY.

09:39:54 BUT WHEN YOU HEAR EVEN MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN LEADERSHIP TALK

09:39:59 ABOUT HOW OTHERS, THE OTHERS, IT'S FRIGHTENING TO THE

09:40:03 MAJORITY.

09:40:04 THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS POOR PEOPLE.

09:40:06 THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS HIGH UNEMPLOYED GROUP.

09:40:11 THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS THOSE THAT DO NOT HAVE

09:40:14 IMMACULATE HOMES.

09:40:15 THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED THAT HAVE CRIMINAL HISTORY.

09:40:20 THERE IS LACKING LEADERSHIP TO DEAL WITH SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS

09:40:25 INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WE CONTINUE TO PLAY A REVOLVING

09:40:32 CHAIR OF MOVING FOLKS.

09:40:34 BUT THE ISSUES WILL NOT GO AWAY.

09:40:37 THE ISSUES HAVE NOT GONE AWAY IN SPITE OF WHO IS THE CHAIR,

09:40:43 IN SPITE OF WHO HAS BEEN THE MAYOR.

09:40:45 WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES, AND IT IS BECAUSE

09:40:49 THERE'S A WILLFUL PRACTICE TO IGNORE IT.

09:40:52 THANK YOU.

09:40:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:40:54 ALL RIGHT.

09:40:58 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:40:59 YES, MA'AM.




09:41:13 GO AHEAD.

09:41:13 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

09:41:14 >> HI.

09:41:15 I'M BLACK ROSE.

09:41:18 LONG-TERM TAMPA RESIDENT MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE.

09:41:21 I SPOKE LAST YEAR A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES IN REGARDS TO THE

09:41:27 BUDGET INCREASE.

09:41:30 I'M SPEAKING TODAY BECAUSE LAST WEEK, THERE WERE COMMENTS

09:41:33 MADE THAT IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE THINGS HAPPEN, THE

09:41:36 PUBLIC NEEDS TO SHOW UP.

09:41:37 THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SPEAK.

09:41:39 WELL, I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THE PUBLIC SHOWED UP AND SPOKE

09:41:44 ALL DURING THE PANDEMIC LAST YEAR.

09:41:47 WE SPOKE OUT EVERY SINGLE MEETING ABOUT NOT WANTING TO SEE

09:41:52 THE POLICE BUDGET INCREASED, EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

09:41:54 THE DAY THAT YOU VOTED, THERE WERE 40 PEOPLE WHO SAID DON'T

09:41:59 DO IT.

09:42:00 ZERO PEOPLE WHO SAID DO IT, AND YOU STILL VOTED FOR THE

09:42:03 INCREASE.

09:42:04 SO IF YOU WANT THE CONSTITUENTS TO SHOW UP AND PARTICIPATE,

09:42:07 MAYBE START LISTENING TO THEM.

09:42:10 IF YOU REALLY WANT TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE ARE

09:42:13 SPEAKING.

09:42:13 THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU WHAT THEY NEED AND YOU

09:42:17 CONTINUE TO BE IN THE POCKET OF THE MAYOR.




09:42:20 YOU CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE MAYOR WANTS YOU TO DO INSTEAD OF

09:42:23 WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO DO.

09:42:25 WHO GOT YOU INTO YOUR POSITION?

09:42:26 WHO PUT YOU INTO THIS?

09:42:27 BECAUSE I KNOW IT WASN'T THE MAYOR.

09:42:30 YOU GOT VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE.

09:42:32 REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.

09:42:33 THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR.

09:42:35 STOP TELLING US TO SHOW UP AND THEN YOU'LL DO STUFF.

09:42:39 WE ARE SPEAKING TO YOU.

09:42:40 WE SPEAK TO YOU WHEN WE'RE AT CITY COUNCIL.

09:42:42 WE SPEAK TO YOU OUTSIDE OF CITY COUNCIL.

09:42:45 THE PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING.

09:42:47 YOU NEED TO LISTEN.

09:42:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:42:49 NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

09:42:52 YES, SIR.

09:43:04 GO AHEAD.

09:43:04 >> MY NAME IS CLAY DANIELS.

09:43:07 I'VE BEEN UP HERE SO MANY TIMES.

09:43:09 THIS NOISE IS OUT OF CONTROL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

09:43:14 SOUTH TAMPA, THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE NIGHTCLUB THAT BASS

09:43:18 BOUNCING.

09:43:18 THROW THOSE METERS IN THE GARBAGE CAN AND USE COMMON SENSE

09:43:23 AND LET IT BE THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE




09:43:25 THE NOISE IS JUST BAD.

09:43:27 IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.

09:43:29 THE CARS RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD PLAYING MUSIC LOUD 3:00 AND

09:43:32 4:00 IN THE MORNING.

09:43:33 PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP.

09:43:34 I'M 70 YEARS OLD.

09:43:35 I CAN'T GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP.

09:43:37 IT'S TERRIBLE.

09:43:38 I'M NOT TRYING TO CONTROL NOBODY LIFE.

09:43:40 PEOPLE SHOULD ENJOY THEIR LIFE, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF

09:43:43 OTHER PEOPLE SUFFERING.

09:43:45 THIS NOISE IS BAD.

09:43:46 AND THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THE CITY TO GET THIS GRANT, TO

09:43:50 GET A POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO GET THIS GRANT, GET THE POLICE

09:43:54 DEPARTMENT, HAVE ONE POLICE OFFICER DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM

09:43:56 WITH THE NOISE, AND ALSO, WE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE

09:44:00 PROBLEM OF THE DUMPING IN EAST TAMPA, BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM

09:44:04 WITH THIS NOISE.

09:44:04 THIS NOISE IS UNBEARABLE.

09:44:06 IT'S GETTING WORSE.

09:44:07 THAT BOOM, BOOM, THAT THUMPING YOUR WHOLE HOUSE, DROPPING

09:44:11 LIKE YOU DROPPING BOMBS OUTDOORS.

09:44:14 IF WE CAN GO TO THE MOON, WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

09:44:16 NOISE.

09:44:16 THIS NOISE IS OUT OF CONTROL.




09:44:18 WE NEED TO GET CONTROL OF IT.

09:44:20 AND THIS YEAR, I THINK I GO WITH THE NOISE BECAUSE THEY

09:44:28 BEGIN TO LISTEN AND I THINK WE'LL GET SOMETHING

09:44:30 ACCOMPLISHED.

09:44:30 BECAUSE THEY BEEN DOING SOME THINGS AND I SEE A LITTLE

09:44:34 PROGRESS, BUT THE NOISE IS STILL BAD.

09:44:36 AND SOMETIME I ASKED OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT LIVE IN

09:44:39 OTHER DISTRICTS THAT COME OVER IN EAST TAMPA, MOVE AROUND A

09:44:42 LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

09:44:44 THIS NOISE IS UNBEARABLE.

09:44:48 IT IS TERRIBLE.

09:44:49 AND I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE SOHO DISTRICT TAKING A BEATING

09:44:53 FROM THE NIGHTCLUB BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING A BEATING FROM THE

09:44:55 CARS.

09:44:55 LIKE I SAID, THE CITY NEED TO TAKE THOSE METERS AND THROW

09:44:58 THEM IN THE GARBAGE CAN.

09:44:59 THEY ARE NO GOOD.

09:45:00 JUST USE COMMON SENSE.

09:45:02 LET IT BE THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE OFFICER TO DEAL WITH

09:45:05 THE NOISE PROBLEM.

09:45:06 NOT ONLY IT'S A PROBLEM, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.

09:45:09 THE CITY HAVE WAITED TOO LONG TO LET THIS CONTINUE TO GO ON

09:45:13 DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR.

09:45:14 WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM THIS YEAR.

09:45:17 THANK YOU.




09:45:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

09:45:19 I BELIEVE THIS GENTLEMAN WAS THE LAST IN-PERSON SPEAKER.

09:45:24 IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE HAVE THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

09:45:29 WE'LL BEGIN.

09:45:29 WE HAVE JUST A FEW.

09:45:30 A FEW SPEAKERS.

09:45:32 WE'LL START WITH THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

09:45:36 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

09:45:37 GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.

09:45:38 THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE A JANET SCHERBERGER, IF YOU HEAR

09:45:45 ME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:45:46 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:45:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.

09:45:49 >> GOOD MORNING.

09:45:50 JANET SCHERBERGER, PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF WALK, BIKE

09:45:53 TAMPA.

09:45:54 THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR SCHEDULING THE WORKSHOP TODAY ON

09:45:56 THE SIDEWALK CODE.

09:45:57 WALK BIKE TAMPA APPRECIATES IT AND THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA

09:46:01 APPRECIATE IT.

09:46:02 TAMPA HAS A SIDEWALK PROBLEM.

09:46:03 THE CITY STAFF ESTIMATES THAT THERE ARE 1300 MILES OF

09:46:07 SIDEWALK GAPS IN THE CITY.

09:46:08 MANY OF THOSE GAPS ARE YOUR SCHOOLS, PARKS, AND BUS STOPS,

09:46:12 AND THOSE GAPS ARE IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.




09:46:14 YOU HAVE RECEIVED SUPPORT LETTERS FOR APPROVING THE SIDEWALK

09:46:17 CODE FROM NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF GANDY TO NEW TAMPA AND

09:46:20 EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN.

09:46:21 IN A RECENT COMMUNITY HEALTH SURVEY, 55% OF RESIDENTS IN

09:46:26 EAST TAMPA AND 67% IN SULPHUR SPRINGS SAY THEY DON'T HAVE

09:46:30 SAFE SIDEWALKS.

09:46:32 FILLING IN THOSE GAPS, SIDEWALK GAPS, AND MAINTAINING

09:46:35 EXISTING SIDEWALKS WILL TAKE A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES.

09:46:38 ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD HAVE ALLOCATED MILLIONS FOR

09:46:41 SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS BUT SADLY THAT MONEY IS NOT AVAILABLE

09:46:43 TO US.

09:46:43 HOPEFULLY IN A FEW YEARS IT WILL BE BACK.

09:46:46 WE KNOW THE CITY BUDGET IS TIGHT WITH GENERAL REVENUES

09:46:49 PAYING FOR SUCH IMPORTANT SERVICES AS POLICE AND FIRE RESCUE

09:46:51 AND COMMUNITY CENTERS.

09:46:54 THE CITY CURRENTLY BUDGETS ENOUGH TO INSTALL ABOUT ONE MILE

09:46:56 OF NEW SIDEWALK EACH YEAR AND ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THE ONES

09:46:59 WE HAVE.

09:46:59 IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO INCREASE THAT INVESTMENT AND PUT SOME

09:47:03 DOLLARS BEHIND THE CITY'S VISION ZERO GOALS.

09:47:05 THE SIDEWALK CODE YOU ARE DISCUSSING TODAY IS JUST ONE MORE

09:47:08 TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.

09:47:10 WHEN IT WAS PASSED MORE THAN 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS INTENDED

09:47:12 TO FILL IN GAPS PARCEL BY PARCEL BY REQUIRING SIDEWALKS WITH

09:47:16 NEW CONSTRUCTION OR PAYMENT TO A SIDEWALK FUND IN CASES




09:47:19 WHERE A SIDEWALK CAN'T BE BUILT.

09:47:21 BUT WAIVERS ADDED IN LATER YEARS NOW MEAN THAT TOO OFTEN NO

09:47:25 SIDEWALKS ARE INSTALLED AND NO PAYMENT IS MADE INTO THE

09:47:28 FUND.

09:47:28 MOST CURIOUS IS THE WAIVER FOR BUILDING A SIDEWALK AND A

09:47:32 WAIVER FOR PAYING INTO THE FUND IF THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS

09:47:35 NEARBY.

09:47:36 THIS EVISCERATES THE VERY GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE'S ORIGINAL

09:47:40 INTENT AND MEANS THAT ONCE THERE IS NO SIDEWALK IN THE

09:47:42 NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE MAY NEVER BE ONE.

09:47:44 TAMPA IS EXPERIENCING A BUILDING BOOM.

09:47:48 LET'S MAKE SURE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION INCLUDES SIDEWALKS

09:47:50 THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND IF IT CAN'T, LET'S MAKE SURE

09:47:53 PAYMENTS ARE MADE TO THE SIDEWALK FUND.

09:47:55 THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS ISSUE.

09:47:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:47:58 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:48:01 >>THE CLERK: YES, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ALLISON DAY.

09:48:04 MS. DAY, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

09:48:06 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:48:10 >> HI.

09:48:10 GOOD MORNING.

09:48:11 MY NAME IS ALLISON.

09:48:13 AND I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.

09:48:16 AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SIDEWALK CODE, TOO, THE




09:48:19 SIDEWALK ISSUE.

09:48:20 I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS ON

09:48:27 SOUTH CAROLINA, A MAIN ACCESS ROAD FOR PEDESTRIANS AND

09:48:31 BICYCLISTS TO GET TO BAYSHORE.

09:48:34 THIS IS ALSO THE STREET USED BY MY 93-YEAR-OLD MOTHER, WHO

09:48:37 DESPITE HER FALL WALKING ON THAT STREET IN OCTOBER, SO THAT

09:48:43 SHE NOW HAS TO USE A WALKER AND BE WITH AN ESCORT, I HAVE

09:48:52 BEEN ABLE TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARE OF THE

09:48:55 VULNERABILITY OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES FROM WALKING WITH

09:48:58 HER.

09:48:59 LAST WEEKEND, I WAS INVOLVED IN A WALK BIKE TAMPA STREET

09:49:03 AUDIT OF SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH ALLOWED RESIDENTS IN THAT

09:49:07 AREA TO RECORD THE DANGERS ON THAT STREET.

09:49:12 AND WHILE WE LIVE IN A CAR CULTURE AND WHILE VEHICLES HAVE

09:49:18 MORE SAFETY FEATURES, CARS KILL MORE THAN 400,000 -- I MEAN,

09:49:22 40,000 -- SORRY -- AMERICANS ANNUALLY, AND WE HAVE COME TO

09:49:27 ACCEPT THAT.

09:49:28 WE WILL NEVER GET RID OF ALL THE DEATHS AND ACCIDENTS CAUSED

09:49:31 BY VEHICLES.

09:49:32 THEY CAN BE GREATLY REDUCED BY HAVING SAFE SIDEWALKS AND

09:49:37 PROPER BIKE LANES, AND I HOPE THIS CAN BE DONE WITH

09:49:41 IMPROVEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK CODE IN OUR CITY.

09:49:44 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

09:49:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:49:48 NEXT SPEAKER.




09:49:51 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JANE STROHMEYER.

09:49:58 >> I THINK I'M UNMUTED.

09:49:59 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:50:01 HELLO?

09:50:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE COULD TURN THE VOLUME UP.

09:50:06 WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.

09:50:10 >> HOW IS THAT?

09:50:11 I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYBODY CAN'T HEAR ME.

09:50:14 [ LAUGHTER ]

09:50:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT

09:50:17 IT'S STILL PRETTY LOW.

09:50:21 >> WELL, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO

09:50:24 DO HERE.

09:50:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN HEAR YOU.

09:50:27 GO AHEAD.

09:50:28 >> THANK YOU.

09:50:29 MY NAME IS JANE STROHMEYER.

09:50:31 I AM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA FOR 51 YEARS.

09:50:37 I'M JUST GOING TO JUST GO OVER A FEW OF THE ITEMS HERE.

09:50:41 WE HAVE THE NOISE SOUND ORDINANCE, THE SOUND.

09:50:45 I AGREE THOSE BIG THUMPING NOISES ARE OBNOXIOUS, AND WHEN I,

09:50:50 BACK IN THE DAY, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE LOUD NOISE LIKE

09:50:54 THAT.

09:50:55 AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME AND YOU CAN'T

09:50:57 HEAR THE MUSIC IN YOUR OWN SPACE.




09:51:00 SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, BUILDING ON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, I

09:51:05 AM EXCITED TO SEE THE PRESENTATION.

09:51:09 I FOR THE MOST PART, OF COURSE, BELIEVE THAT BUILDING ON A

09:51:11 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD IS BAD, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE

09:51:15 HURRICANES THAT WE HAVE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, THEY ARE

09:51:20 SAYING THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THE -- AFTER

09:51:28 A HURRICANE WHEN THE WATER RISES.

09:51:30 I SUPPORT THE SIDEWALK INITIATIVE HERE, AND THAT'S A GOOD

09:51:36 THING.

09:51:37 AND NUMBER 6 IS MR. CARLSON'S TAMPA SCORECARD.

09:51:43 I'M EXCITED TO WATCH THAT PRESENTATION.

09:51:45 IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, BUT LET'S WATCH THIS

09:51:47 PRESENTATION AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

09:51:50 THANKS, YOU ALL.

09:51:51 HAVE A GREAT DAY.

09:51:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:51:53 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:51:53 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE ACOSTA, IF YOU

09:51:57 CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

09:51:59 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:52:01 >> GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.

09:52:06 CAN I JUST GET A THUMBS UP THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME?

09:52:08 THANK YOU.

09:52:10 I'M CHRISTINE ACOSTA, WALK BIKE TAMPA FOUNDING MEMBER AND

09:52:16 TAMPA RESIDENT.




09:52:16 I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE REGIONAL COALITION BIKE WALK

09:52:20 TAMPA BAY, WHICH WAS FORMERLY CHAIRED BY OUR VERY OWN MAYOR

09:52:24 JANE CASTOR.

09:52:25 I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK CODE SUBJECT THAT YOU WILL

09:52:29 HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY.

09:52:31 I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST WALKABLE

09:52:34 NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY, AND I USE THE WORD "PRIVILEGE"

09:52:37 VERY DELIBERATELY BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT SAFE WALKING

09:52:40 INVESTMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN EQUITABLE IN OUR PAST.

09:52:42 DESPITE LIVING IN THIS NICE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, I STILL

09:52:46 ONLY HAVE TO STEP OUT OF MY HOUSE AND WALK HALF A BLOCK

09:52:49 BEFORE I RUN OUT OF SIDEWALK AND I HAVE TO WALK IN THE

09:52:52 STREET.

09:52:52 LAST YEAR, I HAD SOME FOOT SURGERY, AND MY MODE OF

09:52:57 TRANSPORTATION WAS A KNEE SCOOTER, WHICH I ALSO HAD TO RIDE

09:53:00 IN THE STREET.

09:53:01 IT WAS A VERY GOOD REMINDER TO ME OF WHY I TOOK UP SIDEWALK

09:53:05 ADVOCACY YEARS AGO.

09:53:07 IT WAS BECAUSE I CARED FOR MY FATHER AT THE END OF HIS LIFE

09:53:11 WHEN HE WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR.

09:53:13 THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING A GREAT JOB PURSUING NEW ICONIC

09:53:17 AND WHAT I WOULD CALL WALKING SUPER STRUCTURES LIKE THE WEST

09:53:21 RIVER WALK.

09:53:23 THE VALUE OF THESE FACILITIES IS UNQUESTIONABLE AND HAS BEEN

09:53:27 PROVEN THROUGH THE EXISTING RIVERWALK AND RESULTING ECONOMIC




09:53:31 DEVELOPMENT.

09:53:32 WHAT WE LACK NOW AS A COMMUNITY AND ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT

09:53:35 FOR TODAY IS THE MORE GRANULAR AND INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS

09:53:40 THAT HAPPEN ONE LOT AT A TIME, ONE BLOCK AT A TIME.

09:53:44 LIKE ALL CITIES IN THE AMERICAN SUNBELT, TAMPA HAS BEEN

09:53:48 DESIGNED AROUND CARS AT THE EXPENSE OF SAFETY AND COMFORT

09:53:51 FOR PEOPLE WALKING.

09:53:52 WE SIMPLY CANNOT NOT ASK EVERY POSSIBLE CONTRIBUTOR TO HELP

09:53:59 US WITH THE SOLUTIONS.

09:54:00 EVERY INDIVIDUAL HOME BUILDER AND EVERY LARGE-SCALE

09:54:04 DEVELOPER HAS GOT TO HELP US.

09:54:05 REST ASSURED THEY WILL BE RICHLY REWARDED FOR ANY SMALL

09:54:09 ADDITIONAL COST THEY BEAR BECAUSE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES HAVE

09:54:12 A HIGHER VALUE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

09:54:15 JUST A WORD ON VISION ZERO, THE ORIGINAL VISION ZERO

09:54:20 CONSTRUCT IN EUROPE CALLED FOR SEPARATE AND PROTECTED SPACE

09:54:24 BETWEEN MOVING VEHICLES AND PEOPLE WHENEVER MOTOR VEHICLE

09:54:28 SPEEDS EXCEED 19 MILES AN HOUR OR 30 KILOMETERS.

09:54:33 VISION ZERO WAS DESCRIBED TO ME THIS WAY.

09:54:36 IT IS THE MANAGEMENT OF KINETIC ENERGY.

09:54:40 BECAUSE 90% OF THE TIME, THE HUMAN BODY CAN SUSTAIN THE

09:54:45 FORCE OF A VEHICLE THAT IS TRAVELING AT THAT 19 MILES AN

09:54:49 HOUR.

09:54:50 WHEN YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A HOLE, THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE

09:54:53 TO DO IS STOP DIGGING.




09:54:56 TODAY, WE HOPE YOU CHOOSE TO BOLDLY SHOW THE DESIRE TO STOP

09:54:59 ALLOWING THE SIDEWALK VARIANCES THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.

09:55:03 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:55:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:55:04 ALL RIGHT.

09:55:09 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:55:09 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER AND LAST, EMILY.

09:55:12 IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

09:55:14 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:55:16 >> HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:55:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.

09:55:18 GO AHEAD.

09:55:19 >> THANK YOU.

09:55:19 MY NAME IS EMILY HENSDALE.

09:55:22 I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT AND WALK BIKE TAMPA BOARD MEMBER.

09:55:25 I'M SPEAKING TODAY FOR SOME OF TAMPA'S MOST VULNERABLE AND

09:55:28 UNREPRESENTED RESIDENTS, OUR CHILDREN.

09:55:30 EVERY DAY, THOUSANDS OF TAMPA CHILDREN WALK OR BIKE TO

09:55:34 SCHOOL IN THE STREET, DODGING CARS, DASHING THROUGH TRAFFIC.

09:55:39 VERY, VERY FEW CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE THE

09:55:43 OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE SIDEWALK TO GET TO SCHOOL BECAUSE

09:55:46 TAMPA HAS OVER 1,300 MILES OF SIDEWALK GAPS.

09:55:49 THE REFERENCE, TAMPA IS THE 8th MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN THE

09:55:54 COUNTRY FOR PEDESTRIANS.

09:55:55 CAR CRASHES ARE THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN.




09:55:58 WE ARE PLACING OUR CHILDREN IN AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.

09:56:03 LITERALLY PUTTING THEIR LIVES IN DANGER JUST TO GET TO

09:56:06 SCHOOL.

09:56:06 TAMPA CITY COUNCILMEN, PLEASE CHANGE THE CITY OF TAMPA

09:56:10 ORDINANCE GOVERNING NEW SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION, SECTIONS

09:56:12 22-103 AND 22-104 TO HELP BUILD A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY

09:56:18 FOR OUR CHILDREN.

09:56:19 OUR SIDEWALK CODE WAS CREATED WITH THE INTENTION OF

09:56:23 INCREASING OUR SIDEWALK NETWORK THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.

09:56:26 HOWEVER, THE CURRENT CODE INCLUDES SO MANY EXEMPTIONS THAT

09:56:28 MANY MILES OF NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS FEATURE LARGE NEW HOMES,

09:56:32 MULTIPLE NEW CARS, BUT NO NEW SIDEWALKS, EVEN WITHIN A SHORT

09:56:36 DISTANCE OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM SCHOOLS.

09:56:38 THE IN LIEU FUND, DESIGNED TO PROVIDE EXEMPTIONS TO SIDEWALK

09:56:43 INSTALLATION FOR CHALLENGING LOCATIONS, SIMILARLY INCLUDES

09:56:47 SUCH A LIST OF EXEMPTIONS THAT ITS MINIMAL ANNUAL GROWTH

09:56:54 DICTATES OUR CURRENT ABYSMAL RECORD ON NEW SIDEWALK

09:56:55 INSTALLATION.

09:56:56 A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF HOME BUILDERS PAY INTO THE IN LIEU

09:56:59 FUND EACH YEAR.

09:57:00 A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF HOMES ARE BUILT WITHOUT SIDEWALKS

09:57:04 EACH YEAR.

09:57:05 WE NEED TO END THESE EXEMPTIONS.

09:57:07 SCHOOL WALKING ROUTES MUST BE PRIORITIZED.

09:57:11 IN THE CITY OF ORLANDO, SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED FOR NEW




09:57:14 CONSTRUCTION, NO EXEMPTIONS WITHIN ONE MILE OF A SCHOOL.

09:57:19 CLEARLY, WE CAN AGREE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AS MUCH AS

09:57:22 ORLANDO DOES.

09:57:23 PLEASE AMEND THE SIDEWALK CODE TO REQUIRE SIDEWALK

09:57:26 INSTALLATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE STATE

09:57:29 DESIGNATED WALKING DISTANCE TO SCHOOL OF TWO MILES.

09:57:34 PLEASE WORK TO DEFEND OUR ROADS' MOST VULNERABLE USERS.

09:57:40 WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DELAY YET ANOTHER GENERATION

09:57:43 WHILE WE BUILD MILES OF NEW HOMES EXEMPTED FROM MILES OF NEW

09:57:46 SIDEWALKS.

09:57:47 THANK YOU.

09:57:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:57:48 NEXT SPEAKER.

09:57:51 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT

09:57:55 SECTION OF THIS AGENDA.

09:57:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.

09:57:56 WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND/OR

09:58:00 CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF.

09:58:11 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I PLEASE ASK YOU ALL?

09:58:11 I HAVE DR. MOEZ LIMAYEM FROM USF, AND THE MAYOR CALLED HIM

09:58:16 INTO A PRESS CONFERENCE AT 11.

09:58:17 HE CAN ONLY PRESENT NOW, SO IF YOU ALL WOULD INDULGE ME.

09:58:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OBJECTION?

09:58:19 ALL RIGHT.

09:58:19 WHAT WE'LL DO -- DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN STAIRS?




09:58:22 YOU'LL DO IT HERE.

09:58:24 COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 6, WE'LL TAKE THAT UP

09:58:28 NOW.

09:58:29 IT IS A BRIEF PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE

09:58:31 AGENDA.

09:58:32 GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:58:35 >>BILL CARLSON: [MICROPHONE NOT ON]

09:58:38 I WAS JUST SAYING THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING ME

09:58:57 TO DO THIS TODAY AND CHANGING THE SCHEDULE.

09:58:59 I HAVE DR. MOEZ LIMAYEM, WHO IS THE DEAN OF THE MUMA COLLEGE

09:59:04 OF BUSINESS AT USF.

09:59:05 HE HELPED SUPERVISE THIS AND HELPED MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS

09:59:09 ARE CORRECT AND PUT TOGETHER THE INTELLECTUAL FRAMEWORK, AND

09:59:12 HE'S ALSO BEEN ADVISING THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP AND OTHER

09:59:16 GROUPS.

09:59:16 THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIPS

09:59:18 PRESENTATION BECAUSE THEIRS IS REGIONAL AND THIS ONE IS CITY

09:59:20 ONLY.

09:59:21 TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, IT IS THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY HAS LOOKED AT

09:59:24 CITY ONLY DATA.

09:59:25 REMEMBER, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS.

09:59:26 A YEAR AGO YOU ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT IT THEN AS WELL.

09:59:29 I'VE ALSO GOT ON THE LINE ALEX FRAYA, WHO WAS COUNCIL MEMBER

09:59:34 CITRO'S INTERN A YEAR AGO, AND HE GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED ALEX TO

09:59:40 HELP ME.




09:59:40 ALEX WAS USF ECONOMICS STUDENT AT USF, AND NOW HE'S AT UNC

09:59:46 CHARLOTTE.

09:59:47 SO THANK YOU TO ALEX.

09:59:48 ALEX IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER ALL THE SLIDES AND

09:59:50 THE DATA, SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE CAN DO

09:59:53 THAT.

09:59:53 AS WE SAID BEFORE, WHAT GETS MEASURED GETS DONE.

09:59:56 IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITAL MARKETS WITH COMPANIES, BECAUSE

09:59:59 CAPITAL -- BECAUSE COMPANIES HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN SEC

10:00:04 GUIDELINES ON DATA, THERE IS A FREE FLOW OF INFORMATION, FOR

10:00:06 THE MOST PART, AND COMPANIES KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HOW

10:00:08 TO MEASURE IT.

10:00:09 WITH CITIES, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR.

10:00:11 AND CITIES OFTEN MEASURE THEIR INTERNAL RESULTS, LIKE WHAT

10:00:14 IS THE SPEED OF THE FIRE TRUCKS AND RESPONSE?

10:00:18 WHAT IS THE SPEED OF THE POLICE CARS?

10:00:20 WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TIME ON GARBAGE COLLECTION?

10:00:23 ALL THOSE INTERNAL METRICS ARE IMPORTANT.

10:00:25 THOSE ARE OUTPUTS.

10:00:26 THIS IS OUTCOME.

10:00:27 WHAT ARE THE BIG SUCCESS STORIES OF CITIES?

10:00:29 SO WE LOOKED AT -- PART OF OUR PROCESS WAS THAT WE LOOKED AT

10:00:34 THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD, AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW ARE

10:00:38 THEY MEASURED?

10:00:39 I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.




10:00:41 BUT THE FIRST THING IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT NUMBERS THAT

10:00:45 TAMPA HAS USED BEFORE, THERE ARE A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL

10:00:47 VANITY RANKINGS.

10:00:48 AND THESE ARE RANKINGS BY MAGAZINES NATIONALLY THAT WILL

10:00:51 RANK SOMETHING, AND THEY DO IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING

10:00:54 PUBLICITY.

10:00:54 BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA UNDERLYING THEM -- AND MY

10:00:57 LEGISLATIVE AIDES HAVE CULLED THEM -- ALL THE DATA IS

10:01:01 REGIONAL, NONE LOCAL.

10:01:02 IF IT SAYS TAMPA IS NUMBER ONE AMONG THE MILLENNIALS, IT'S

10:01:07 TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL DATA, NOT JUST TAMPA.

10:01:09 WE RESEARCHED HOW THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD MEASURE

10:01:11 THEMSELVES AND LOOKED AT THE DATASETS OF THE BEST ECONOMISTS

10:01:15 IN THE WORLD USED TO MEASURE CITIES, AND WE CREATED A SHORT

10:01:17 LIST.

10:01:17 CHIEF BENNETT SAYS FOR MEASUREMENT OF THE CITY HAS HUNDREDS

10:01:19 OF DATA POINTS THAT HE'S MEASURING.

10:01:21 BUT JUST FOR THIS, WE NEED TO CREATE A SIMPLE SCORECARD SO

10:01:24 WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE KEY MEASURES THAT PEOPLE USE.

10:01:26 WE CONSULTED NOT ONLY USF, BUT ALSO UF AND ECONOMISTS FROM

10:01:30 THE FLORIDA CHAMBER FOUNDATION AND ALSO FLORIDA TAX WATCH.

10:01:33 THESE ARE THE SIMPLE CRITERIA WE CAME UP WITH THAT ARE THE

10:01:33 MAIN CRITERIA OTHER CITIES USE TO MEASURE THEIR ECONOMIC

10:01:33 PERFORMANCE.

10:01:33 AGAIN, THIS IS NOT LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF THE




10:01:44 CITY.

10:01:44 IT'S JUST LOOKING AT ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE.

10:01:46 YOU ALL KNOW THAT EACH OF US HAS OUR OWN INTEREST AND

10:01:49 EXPERTISE.

10:01:49 MY INTEREST IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

10:01:51 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT

10:01:53 DATA.

10:01:53 SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE DATA.

10:01:56 PER CAPITA INCOME, WHICH IS THE MAIN ECONOMIC MEASURE THAT

10:02:00 CITIES AND COUNTRIES USE.

10:02:02 HERE IS THE TRACK.

10:02:03 YOU SAW THIS A YEAR AGO.

10:02:05 THE NEW DATA IS 2019.

10:02:07 THAT'S THE LATEST DATA.

10:02:08 THIS DATA COMES FROM THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU.

10:02:10 IT'S NOT MADE UP FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE.

10:02:13 IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE CENSUS.

10:02:15 WHAT WE DID, AGAIN, IS WE LOOKED AT THE CITY -- THE CITY

10:02:18 LIMITS OF TAMPA ONLY, NOT THE REGION.

10:02:20 AND WHAT IT SHOWS IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

10:02:23 NUMBER ONE IS PER CAPITA INCOME.

10:02:25 TAMPA WAS TRACKING PRETTY HIGH FOR MOST OF THE LAST DECADE,

10:02:28 AND WE GO BACK TO A DECADE BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW

10:02:32 ECONOMISTS MEASURE.

10:02:33 BUT ALSO THE GREAT RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.




10:02:35 SO IT LOOKS AT THE PICTURE AFTER THAT.

10:02:39 BUT THE KIND OF SHOCKING THING, THE DIFFERENT THING THAT

10:02:42 HAPPENED IS TAMPA'S TRAJECTORY IS KIND OF FLAT AS COMPARED

10:02:47 TO THE OTHER CITIES, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IF YOU LOOK IN

10:02:50 THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS BEFORE THIS, ST. PETERSBURG'S

10:02:53 TRAJECTORY WAS REALLY HIGH.

10:02:54 A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA THINK THAT ST. PETERSBURG'S ECONOMY

10:02:57 MUST BE SECONDARY TO TAMPA.

10:02:58 WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT ST. PETERSBURG'S PER CAPITA INCOME

10:03:03 SURPASSED TAMPA'S FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT ANYBODY REMEMBERS.

10:03:06 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TAMPA'S NUMBER IS HIGH AND

10:03:10 ARTIFICIALLY HIGH IS THAT WE HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF

10:03:12 PEOPLE EARNING MORE THAN $200,000 A YEAR.

10:03:15 IF YOU LOOK AT THIS NUMBER, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER AMONG

10:03:17 OUR PEER SETS.

10:03:18 WE LOOKED AT JACKSONVILLE, MIAMI, ORLANDO, ST. PETERSBURG,

10:03:22 FT. LAUDERDALE, AS SOME OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN FLORIDA,

10:03:24 AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, ALL THE CITIES IN THE

10:03:27 COUNTRY, IF YOU WANT.

10:03:28 THERE ARE SOME SMALLER CITIES THAT HAVE BIGGER OR SMALLER

10:03:31 NUMBERS, BUT WE JUST LOOKED AT KIND OF OUR PEER SET.

10:03:36 SINCE WE HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF HIGH EARNERS IT CHANGES OUR

10:03:39 NUMBERS. IF WE TOOK THOSE OUT AND OUR PER CAPITA INCOME

10:03:43 WILL BE MUCH MORE.

10:03:46 HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS WHERE YOU PICK THE NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE,




10:03:49 AND LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD, NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS,

10:03:54 BUT WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT AMONG THE PEER SET IN FLORIDA,

10:03:57 WE ARE FOURTH.

10:03:58 SO WE ARE NOT DOWN WHERE MIAMI IS BUT WE ARE ALSO NOT THE

10:04:03 STAR EITHER.

10:04:05 LOOK AT PER CAPITA INCOME COMPARED TO BENCHMARK CITIES.

10:04:14 THEY KIND OF TALK ABOUT CHARLOTTE AND ATLANTA.

10:04:20 WE LOOKED AT OTHER KIND OF BENCHMARK CITIES THAT PEOPLE

10:04:23 OFTEN COMPARED TAMPA TO.

10:04:24 WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS ON PER CAPITA INCOME THE MAIN MEASURE

10:04:28 OF ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE, AND TAMPA IS NOT ONLY THE DISTANT

10:04:32 FOURTH, WE DIDN'T CATCH UP WITH THEM, BUT OUR TRAJECTORY IS

10:04:35 NOT THE SAME.

10:04:36 OUR TRAJECTORY IS KIND OF THE SAME AS CHARLOTTE, BUT YOU SEE

10:04:39 ATLANTA, AND AUSTIN, THEIR TRAJECTORY IS MUCH, MUCH HIGHER.

10:04:44 SO THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRAJECTORY IS

10:04:47 HIGHER BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL WE ARE NEVER GOING TO CATCH UP

10:04:50 WITH OUR BENCHMARK CITIES AND WE MAY NEVER CATCH UP WITH OUR

10:04:53 PEER CITIES.

10:04:54 MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME COMPARED TO BENCHMARK CITIES NOT

10:04:58 SURPRISINGLY FROM THE LAST GRAPH, WE COME IN FOURTH.

10:05:02 INCOME DISPARITY, WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT

10:05:05 PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT LAST TIME, IF YOU LOOK, FOR EXAMPLE,

10:05:08 ST. PETERSBURG, BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE, IN ST. PETERSBURG

10:05:11 AT 5,000.




10:05:12 WHEN I MENTION THAT, THE GAP, BUT TAMPA IS 9,000.

10:05:17 WE ARE MUCH, MUCH WORSE.

10:05:19 AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC

10:05:26 DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS TO CHANGE THAT GAP.

10:05:28 ANOTHER THING FROM LAST TIME WAS AFRICAN AMERICAN VERSUS

10:05:33 CAUCASIAN.

10:05:35 IN ST. PETERSBURG THE DIFFERENCE IN PAY IS $17,000 A YEAR

10:05:38 BUT IN TAMPA IT'S 21.

10:05:40 AND IT SHOWS THAT EVEN IN OUR OTHER PEER CITIES, THAT THE

10:05:45 DISPARITY FOR THE MOST PART IS NOT AS GREAT AS IT IS IN

10:05:47 TAMPA.

10:05:48 AND WE FEEL THAT AND HEAR IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT

10:05:53 LOOKING AT THIS DATA IT SHOWS THERE.

10:05:56 THEN YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE CLASS AND FOR MOST, REMEMBER THE

10:06:01 GREAT RECESSION ENDED IN 2009, FOR MOST OF THE LAST DECADE

10:06:05 THE MIDDLE CLASS OF TAMPA SHRANK.

10:06:07 AND THEN IT COST US IN 2018-2019, BUT STILL THE MIDDLE CLASS

10:06:13 IS NOT HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES SO WE KNOW ECONOMICALLY

10:06:19 THAT IF WE WANT TO IMPROVE OUR NUMBERS WE HAVE TO INCREASE

10:06:21 THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WE HAVE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE MIDDLE

10:06:24 CLASS.

10:06:25 ALSO, SADLY, WE WANTS TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS GRAPH.

10:06:29 UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE THE SECOND HIGHEST POVERTY RATE AMONG

10:06:34 OUR PEER CITIES IN FLORIDA. LUCKY FOR US MIAMI, BUT

10:06:38 COMPARED TO OUR PEER CITIES, ST. PETERSBURG, AGAIN IS ABOUT




10:06:42 15% AND WE ARE ALMOST 19.

10:06:45 PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION, BENCHMARK CITIES, AND IT SHOWS

10:06:51 ATLANTA IS WORSE THAN WE ARE, COMPARED TO AUSTIN, CHARLOTTE,

10:06:54 WHICH ARE CITIES WE ASPIRE TO BE VERY OFTEN, OURS IS MUCH

10:06:58 WORSE.

10:07:00 FLORIDA UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, AND AGAIN THIS IS 2019 DATA, THE

10:07:05 SECOND WORST.

10:07:06 THINK ABOUT WE TOOK OFFICE IN MAY 2019, SO IT WAS ALREADY IN

10:07:12 THEIR TRAJECTORY.

10:07:14 2020 IS GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE YEAR US WHAT OF R BECAUSE OF

10:07:17 COVID SO THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE OFF.

10:07:18 THE REASON WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS IS BECAUSE 2021

10:07:22 AND 2022 ARE ON US.

10:07:24 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE

10:07:27 THAT WE CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY NUMBERS.

10:07:29 HOME OWNERSHIP RATE, WHICH IS THE SIGN OF A LOT OF THINGS IN

10:07:33 THE HEALTH OF A COMMUNITY, LOOK AT STATE AVERAGE ABOUT 65%,

10:07:38 I THINK.

10:07:40 SING A POOR, I USED TO LIVE IN SINGAPORE, THEY ARE 92%.

10:07:45 OURS IS TRACKING TOWARD THE BOTTOM IN HOME OWNERSHIP RATE

10:07:48 AND WE KNOW WE CAN INCREASE THAT.

10:07:50 AS AN EXAMPLE, ST. PETERSBURG IS ABOUT 58% AND OURS IS 48.

10:07:56 AFRICAN AMERICAN HOME OWNERSHIP RATE IS EVEN LOWER.

10:08:00 THAT WAS A QUESTION POSED LAST YEAR.

10:08:03 VIOLENT CRIME RATE, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST CRIME RATES IN




10:08:06 THE STATE.

10:08:08 AND WHAT I SAY IS THAT THE SAME POLICY, PEOPLE THAT LED

10:08:13 MAKING OUR CRIME RATE LOW, THAT'S MAYOR CASTOR AND JOHN

10:08:17 BENNETT, THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE LOOKING TO HELP US SOLVE

10:08:20 THE OTHER ISSUES.

10:08:13 THE GOOD NEWS FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING IS THAT WE HAVE A TEAM

10:08:25 OF POLICY PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES.

10:08:26 TAMPA DOES VERY WELL IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WITH A

10:08:30 BACHELOR'S DEGREE AMONG OUR PEER CITIES.

10:08:32 WE DON'T DO QUITE AS WELL COMPARED TO OUR BENCHMARK CITIES.

10:08:36 SOMETHING, AGAIN, WE CAN WORK ON PARTNERING WITH USF AND

10:08:38 OTHERS.

10:08:38 DR. LIMAYEM LETS ME USE THIS QUOTE OF HIM:

10:08:45 THE COMPANIES AND PEOPLE WE WANT TO ATTRACT GO BEYOND THE

10:08:48 RANKINGS AND THE RHETORIC.

10:08:50 THEY LOOK AT THE FACTS AND THEY KNOW THE FACTS BETTER THAN

10:08:53 WE DO.

10:08:53 THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE POVERTY ISSUES AND THESE OTHER

10:08:54 ISSUES ARE NOT JUST A SOCIAL ISSUE, THEY ARE AN ECONOMIC

10:08:57 DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.

10:08:58 BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT SYKES ENTERPRISES, FOR EXAMPLE.

10:08:58 JOHN SYKES DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE REGULAR ECONOMIC

10:09:01 DEVELOPMENT CHANNELS.

10:09:03 HE CAME TO TAMPA, WALKED AROUND AND DECIDED HE LIKED THE

10:09:06 CITY AND MOVED WHAT'S NOW A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY




10:09:09 HERE.

10:09:10 AND THERE ARE MANY COMPANIES LIKE THAT.

10:09:10 BUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH MARKETING WE DO ABOUT THE VANITY

10:09:13 RANKINGS AND THE POSITIVE RANKINGS, WE HAVE TO FACE THE

10:09:15 NUMBERS AND ADDRESS THEM, BECAUSE IF NOT, THESE NUMBERS ARE

10:09:18 EASILY GOOGLED.

10:09:19 THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE OR THE KIDS WHO WANT TO

10:09:22 TRY TO STAY HERE, THEY ARE GOING TO GOOGLE THE NUMBERS AND

10:09:24 SEE THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

10:09:26 WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IF THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN, IF ECONOMIC

10:09:31 DEVELOPMENT DID NOT WORK IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, IF THESE

10:09:34 POLICIES DID NOT WORK, ALMOST ALL OF OUR NUMBERS IN THE

10:09:37 WRONG TRAJECTORY THAT MEANS WE NEED TO REFOCUS THEM,

10:09:40 REINVENT THEM.

10:09:42 WE NEED TO BREAK THE OLD PROCESSES AND CREATE NEW ONES, AND

10:09:44 WE NEED TO FOCUS ON REDUCING POVERTY AND INCREASING THE

10:09:47 MIDDLE CLASS.

10:09:48 WE NEED TO USE AN HONEST SCORECARD.

10:09:48 WHEN I WENT WITH THE TAMPA CHAMBER TO CHARLOTTE A COUPLE OF

10:09:48 YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY ASKED THE CHARLOTTE FOUNDATION, WHY DID

10:09:54 YOU ALL SUCCEED?

10:09:55 THE GUY SAID ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS AGO WE LOOKED AT OUR REAL

10:10:00 DATA, NOT THE DATA WE WANTED AND WE ADDRESSED THAT.

10:10:03 LAST SLIDE, WE NEED TO USE SOMETHING LIKE THE SCORECARD.

10:10:07 WE NEED TO DEFINE OUR GOALS.




10:10:08 WE NEED TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT.

10:10:10 WE NEED TO DO PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS WITH USF, AND THEN WE

10:10:13 NEED A PLAN.

10:10:14 WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THIS, LAST YEAR, CITY COUNCIL

10:10:16 RECOMMENDED AN ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

10:10:18 THE MAYOR DECIDED TO LEAD THAT HERSELF.

10:10:20 WE SET UP THE PROCESSES.

10:10:22 USF, MOEZ, AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACILITATED.

10:10:25 THEY PRESENTED THE NUMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY.

10:10:27 THE COMMUNITY HAS 25 FOLKS ON THE COMMITTEE, SOME OF WHOM WE

10:10:32 APPOINTED, HAVE GIVEN FEEDBACK TO THE MAYOR.

10:10:34 THE MAYOR IS ACTUALLY PRESENTING AT 11:00 THIS MORNING.

10:10:38 THAT'S WHY DR. LIMAYEM HAS TO JUMP.

10:10:40 BUT THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE AT STEP NUMBER 2.

10:10:43 THE COMMITTEE HAS NOW GIVEN FEEDBACK ON THE TYPES OF

10:10:46 MEASURES WE SHOULD USE AND THE COMMITTEE HAS GIVEN INPUT TO

10:10:49 WHAT KIND OF SOLUTIONS WE NEED TO HAVE.

10:10:52 BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND REALLY LOOK AT

10:10:55 THIS FROM A POLICY POINT OF VIEW.

10:10:57 I'LL SHUT UP AT THIS POINT.

10:10:58 THANK YOU.

10:10:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THE OTHER SPEAKERS ON THE LINE GOING

10:11:01 TO SPEAK OR ARE THEY STANDING BY?

10:11:02 >> THEY ARE STANDING BY IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

10:11:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?




10:11:07 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOR PUTTING

10:11:09 THIS TOGETHER AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP, INCLUDING DR. MOEZ,

10:11:14 WHO IS A WONDERFUL CONSTITUENT AND FINE GENTLEMAN.

10:11:17 A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ADD ON, IF I MAY, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR

10:11:21 MASS TRANSIT SITUATION.

10:11:23 ONE OF THE GREATEST BARRIERS TO BREAKING POVERTY AND HAVING

10:11:27 UPWARD MOBILITY IS HAVING A ROBUST MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM.

10:11:30 WE MISSED THE BOAT ON THAT APPARENTLY IN 2018.

10:11:33 GOD WILLING WE CAN DO IT AGAIN IN 2022.

10:11:37 ANOTHER BIG THING IS OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM WHICH RIGHT

10:11:39 NOW THERE'S A LOT IN THE NEWS ABOUT IT AND HAVING A PUBLIC

10:11:42 SCHOOL SYSTEM NOT ONLY WELL FUNDED BUT HAS A LEVEL OF

10:11:46 CONFIDENCE AND STABILITY I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT FOR A

10:11:49 COMMUNITY.

10:11:50 AND THINGS THAT COUNCIL CAN DO.

10:11:52 I WANT TO POINT US TO INITIATIVES LIKE THE APPRENTICESHIP

10:11:59 INITIATIVE WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT THAT

10:12:03 CREATES AN UPWARD MOBILITY FOR FOLKS TO GO TO THAT SOLID

10:12:07 MIDDLE CLASS, FOR FOLKS HISTORICALLY HAVE COME FROM

10:12:11 VULNERABLE POPULATIONS AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HELP

10:12:14 PEOPLE OUT.

10:12:14 BUT JUST THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOR THIS, AND WE

10:12:18 APPRECIATE IT.

10:12:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR

10:12:23 WORK.




10:12:24 THANK YOU TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT HELPED MASTERMIND SOME

10:12:28 OF THE PLAN TO GIVE TO THE ADMINISTRATION.

10:12:29 WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN, I LOOK AT WHAT IS STILL THE

10:12:33 SOLUTION.

10:12:34 WE TALK AND TALK AND TALK, BUT WHAT IS THE REAL SOLUTION?

10:12:37 HOW DO WE GET OUR FOOT ON THE GAS TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL?

10:12:41 FOR ME, MY GOOD COLLEAGUE, MR. VIERA TALKED ABOUT SCHOOLS.

10:12:47 WHEN I HAVE LOW-THRIVING SCHOOLS IN MY COMMUNITY, HOW DO

10:12:51 THEY GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL?

10:12:53 WE TUCK AWAY A LOT OF TECHNICAL PROGRAMS, A LOT OF

10:12:57 CONSTRUCTION PROGRAMS, DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES,

10:13:00 JOBS THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT NEED PEOPLE IN THE WORKFORCE.

10:13:06 I ALWAYS SAID WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, EVERY JOB THAT THE

10:13:09 CITY OF TAMPA HAS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SHOULD KNOW ABOUT

10:13:12 BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE

10:13:15 TRYING TO GET INTO THE WORKFORCE.

10:13:17 WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TRAIN MOVING, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.

10:13:22 I'LL WAIT BACK AND SEE WHAT THE MAYOR COMES UP WITH AT 11:00

10:13:27 AND HOW WE CAN MOVE THE TRAIN TO GET THE FOLKS AT THE

10:13:29 BOTTOM, START INCHING THEM UP INTO THAT MIDDLE SECTION.

10:13:32 I THINK, AGAIN, SOLUTIONARY.

10:13:34 I'M JUST WAITING TO HEAR WHAT THE REAL SOLUTIONS ARE.

10:13:39 DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

10:13:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:13:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: BILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.




10:13:46 YOU HAVE SAID, AND I BELIEVE IF I MAY PARAPHRASE, THAT WE

10:13:52 ARE ON A THREE-LEGGED STOOL, REAL ESTATE, CONSTRUCTION, AND

10:13:57 TOURISM.

10:13:58 AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE MINDSET.

10:14:01 FOR MORE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BETTER CAREERS --

10:14:08 CAREERS.

10:14:09 NO OFFENSE TO MY FRIENDS AT PORT TAMPA BAY, BUT I THINK IT'S

10:14:13 BEING UNDER USED.

10:14:15 WE NEED MORE MANUFACTURING HERE SO WE CAN PUT PEOPLE TO

10:14:18 WORK.

10:14:19 AND JOBS THAT DON'T JUST LAST A YEAR OR TWO AS IN

10:14:24 CONSTRUCTION.

10:14:25 I DON'T WANT TO SEE CONSTRUCTION STOP.

10:14:27 WE'RE ON A GOOD ROAD, BUT CONSTRUCTION COMES IN, LASTS

10:14:32 THREE, FOUR YEARS AND THEN MOVES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

10:14:35 WE NEED SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE A CAREER,

10:14:40 OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AT A PLACE FOR 10, 15, 20 YEARS IF THEY

10:14:44 SO WISH.

10:14:45 I KNOW THE TREND IS NOT THAT WAY.

10:14:47 PEOPLE STAY AT PLACES TWO, THREE YEARS.

10:14:49 BUT WE HAVE TO GET OFF THE MENTALITY OF REAL ESTATE

10:14:53 CONSTRUCTION TOURISM.

10:14:54 WE HAVE A DEEP WATER PORT THAT NEEDS TO BE USED.

10:14:57 BILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFORMATION HERE, AND WE

10:15:01 JUST NEED TO CHANGE OUR LOGIC.




10:15:04 AS LUIS VIERA SAID, COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, WE NEED BETTER

10:15:08 TRANSPORTATION.

10:15:09 THAT'S ONE MAJOR THING THAT ALL THESE CORPORATIONS LOOK AT

10:15:12 WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING TO MOVE THEIR HEADQUARTERS.

10:15:14 SO, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:15:17 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:15:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

10:15:20 I THINK OUR BIGGEST SUCCESS IN THE LAST DECADE OR A LITTLE

10:15:24 BIT MORE IS WHEN I GRADUATED USF IN 2007, ALL MY FRIENDS

10:15:29 LEFT THAT HAD COME DOWN HERE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY

10:15:32 SAID THE SAME THING.

10:15:34 TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE WHAT I NEED.

10:15:36 FLIP THAT TO 2021 AND EVEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE ARE A

10:15:40 VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.

10:15:42 EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME TO TAMPA.

10:15:43 NOT EVERYBODY BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO TAMPA.

10:15:47 THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S REALLY NOT AFFORDABLE.

10:15:50 WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG MIDDLE CLASS.

10:15:51 WE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

10:15:52 WE SEE REAL ESTATE PRICES.

10:15:55 HOME OWNERSHIP IS SOMETIMES UNATTAINABLE.

10:15:58 RENTS HAVE GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY.

10:15:59 I'VE SEEN RENTS DOUBLE SINCE 2010 TO NOW, BUT I DON'T SEE

10:16:06 SALARIES INCREASING.

10:16:08 I DON'T SEE PEOPLE MAKING MORE MONEY.




10:16:09 THE COST OF LIVING CLIMBS, BUT EARNINGS AREN'T CLIMBING TO

10:16:14 MATCH THOSE.

10:16:14 WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

10:16:16 YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS.

10:16:18 THE REDUCTION IN VIOLENT CRIMES, AND I THINK MAYOR CASTOR,

10:16:23 YOU MENTIONED CHIEF BENNETT AND EVERYBODY THAT MAKES THAT

10:16:25 HAPPEN AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:16:27 HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO COST OF LIVING, TRANSPORTATION,

10:16:29 THE LACK THEREOF, WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND.

10:16:34 I THINK EVERYBODY WHO WORKED ON THIS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER,

10:16:37 THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE ON THE SCREEN, YOU, YOURSELF, JASON

10:16:41 MARLOW WHO WORKED IN YOUR OFFICE BEFORE, ALL HIS WORK, THEY

10:16:46 ALL DESERVE CREDIT.

10:16:47 NEVER HAD WHAT -- THE TAMPA SCORECARD.

10:16:50 NEVER HAD THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS.

10:16:52 I'M GLAD YOU PUT THE REAL RAW DATA OUT THERE SO WE CAN FIND

10:16:56 REAL SOLUTIONS.

10:16:57 IT'S NOT ALL ROSE COLORED GLASSES.

10:16:59 HEY WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON DOWNTOWN.

10:17:02 RIVERWALK IS DOING GREAT AND ARMATURE AND THESE THINGS,

10:17:05 PARTS OF THE CITY IS STRUGGLING.

10:17:07 EAST TAMPA IS WHAT I CALL THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT.

10:17:10 I SAY IT OVER AND OVER.

10:17:11 IT'S FROZEN IN TIME.

10:17:12 WHERE IS THE MIDDLE CLASS THERE?




10:17:14 WHERE IS THE HAND UP NOT THE HAND OUT?

10:17:16 WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

10:17:19 YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF VALID POINTS AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT

10:17:22 THIS UP BECAUSE THIS WILL BE THE CATALYST TO INSPIRE AND

10:17:25 MOVE FORWARD WITH REAL GOALS.

10:17:27 I GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THIS.

10:17:30 I THINK THIS IS VERY NECESSARY AND VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT

10:17:34 YOU PUT FORWARD.

10:17:35 ANYBODY ELSE?

10:17:35 DINGFELDER.

10:17:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

10:17:39 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:17:40 MR. CARLSON, GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

10:17:43 I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.

10:17:44 YOU HAVE TO HAVE BENCHMARK.

10:17:46 YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE STATISTICS TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE

10:17:49 BEFORE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO.

10:17:52 I AM CURIOUS OF THE TWO GENTLEMEN YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN.

10:17:56 I GUESS THEY HELPED YOU PUT THESE TOGETHER.

10:17:58 IF THEY ARE WILLING, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THEIR TAKEAWAY IS

10:18:03 FROM THIS AND ANY THOUGHTS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT EITHER OF YOU

10:18:07 HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL ON THEM, I'D LOVE

10:18:12 TO HEAR FROM THEM.

10:18:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE.

10:18:13 IF EITHER OF THE TWO GENTLEMEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.




10:18:17 >> SURE.

10:18:17 I'LL BE HAPPY TO.

10:18:18 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:18:20 >> YES.

10:18:21 >> YES.

10:18:21 THANK YOU.

10:18:22 AGAIN, MOEZ LIMAYEM.

10:18:25 I AM THE DEAN OF THE USF MUMA COLLEGE OF BUSINESS.

10:18:28 REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THIS MORNING.

10:18:34 FIRST OF ALL, LET ME REALLY COMPLIMENT COUNCILMAN CARLSON

10:18:41 FOR THIS WORK.

10:18:42 I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS WORK IS IN FIRST

10:18:49 UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE, BUT ALSO PLANNING FOR THE

10:18:53 FUTURE.

10:18:54 WHEN COMPANIES LIKE AMAZON AND OTHERS LOOK FOR PLACES,

10:19:01 EITHER TO RELOCATE OR TO EXPAND, THEY DO NOT LOOK FOR THE

10:19:07 VANITY RANKING.

10:19:09 THEY LOOK FOR THIS DATA.

10:19:10 AND THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

10:19:13 SO IT IS UP TO US TO ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE DATA, BUT

10:19:18 THIS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP.

10:19:20 I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND SAID

10:19:24 WE NEED TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

10:19:26 WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THESE

10:19:29 INDICATORS.




10:19:30 SO WE DO NOT COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND SAY, THANKS GOD FOR

10:19:35 MIAMI AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S A CITY WHERE WE'RE SLIGHTLY

10:19:41 DOING BETTER.

10:19:42 FOR EXAMPLE, ONE WAY OF REDUCING POVERTY IS TRANSPORTATION.

10:19:47 PEOPLE IN TAMPA, THEY CANNOT AFFORD A CAR TO GO TO WORK, AND

10:19:53 THAT IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

10:19:58 REDUCING THAT GAP BETWEEN MINORITY, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND

10:20:02 WHITE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

10:20:04 IT MAKES PERFECT, NOT JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT IT

10:20:08 MAKES PERFECT ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS SENSE.

10:20:11 WHEN WE REDUCE THE GAP.

10:20:12 WHEN WE HAVE A CITY WHERE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND, MINORITY,

10:20:18 AFRICAN AMERICAN, AND OTHERS WILL BUY HOUSES.

10:20:20 WILL GO TO GROCERY STORES, DEPARTMENT STORE, AND THEY WILL

10:20:23 CONSUME, AND THAT IS REALLY GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY IN OUR

10:20:30 CITY.

10:20:31 I AM VERY DEEPLY CONCERNED TO SEE THE SHRINKING OF OUR

10:20:35 MIDDLE CLASS.

10:20:36 LET ME TELL YOU, A HEALTHY MIDDLE CLASS IS THE FOUNDATION OF

10:20:42 A CITY THAT IS HEALTHY ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING.

10:20:45 WE NEED TO WORK AND UNDERSTAND.

10:20:48 AND THIS, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID IS SO NICE, WE NEED TO

10:20:54 RETHINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

10:20:55 THE JOBS THAT WE ARE ATTRACTING TO OUR CITY ARE LOW-PAYING

10:20:59 JOBS.




10:20:59 WE NEED TO LOOK TO ATTRACT COMPANIES WHO CAN ACTUALLY EMPLOY

10:21:05 PEOPLE WITH HIGHER WAGES SO THAT WE REDUCE THAT MIDDLE

10:21:08 CLASS.

10:21:09 BUT THIS I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW HAPPY, EXCITED TO SEE THE

10:21:14 AMAZING WORK OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:21:17 THIS IS THE FOUNDATION, BUT IT WILL BE A BIG MISTAKE TO STOP

10:21:20 HERE.

10:21:20 NOW WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THESE

10:21:24 INDICATORS.

10:21:24 THANK YOU.

10:21:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:21:31 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

10:21:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:21:34 MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED BY THE REPORT.

10:21:38 THANKS TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THE DEAN OF SOUTH FLORIDA

10:21:41 SCHOOL AND OTHER PARTICIPATING, ALEXANDER PHILLIPS, SO FORTH

10:21:46 AND SO ON.

10:21:47 I LIKE TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX LIKE MOST OF US DO, AND IF WE

10:21:53 THINK WE HAVE IT BAD NOW IN TRANSPORTATION, LET ME JUST

10:21:56 THROW A LITTLE MONKEY WRENCH IN IT TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.

10:22:00 WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN FIVE YEARS OR TEN YEARS WHEN 30 OR

10:22:03 40 PERCENT OF THE AUTOMOBILES ARE ELECTRIC?

10:22:05 WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE TAX MONEY FOR GASOLINE TAX

10:22:11 MONEY.

10:22:11 THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY GASOLINE.




10:22:14 THEY ARE BUY BE ELECTRIC POWER.

10:22:17 I LIKE TO THINK OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN

10:22:21 TRANSPORTATION WHICH IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.

10:22:23 IF I'M RIGHT ON THE ESTIMATION OF AUTOMOBILES BEING BUILT

10:22:27 AND THE ELECTRIC FACTOR.

10:22:28 IN FACT, MAYBE LATER ON HYDROGEN.

10:22:35 HOW DO YOU SUPPLY THE INCOME NEEDED NOT ONLY FOR THIS CITY

10:22:39 BUT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND GASOLINE POWERED ENGINES WHEN

10:22:43 PAYING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TAX, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A GALLON

10:22:46 OF GAS, HOW WILL YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?

10:22:49 I LIKE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE FUTURE.

10:22:52 I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.

10:22:54 LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

10:22:55 THE VIOLENT CRIME PER HUNDRED THOUSAND IN 2019, IT WASN'T

10:23:00 JUST YOU 2019, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF MANY, MANY MAYORS,

10:23:05 STARTING BACK TO BILL POE IN THE '70s.

10:23:08 PRESENT MAYOR NOW -- MANY, MANY POLICE CHIEFS AND MANY, MANY

10:23:13 MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE POPULATION THAT HELPED

10:23:17 SUSTAIN THE CRIME RATE TO GO DOWN.

10:23:20 CERTAINLY, I LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY AND ASK LATER ON, POSSIBLY

10:23:24 ASK THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHAT BUSINESSES HAD RELOCATED HERE

10:23:28 TO TAMPA IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

10:23:30 WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND NUMBERS.

10:23:33 I'M NOT CHALLENGING YOUR NUMBERS.

10:23:35 I AGREE WITH YOUR NUMBERS.




10:23:36 WHO MOVED INTO TAMPA AND WHY.

10:23:40 THERE ARE A THOUSAND A PEOPLE A DAY OR SO MOVING THROUGH THE

10:23:43 STATE OF FLORIDA.

10:23:44 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE PREPONDERANCE COME FROM NEW YORK

10:23:46 AND NEW ENGLAND STATES.

10:23:49 I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COLD WEATHER AND HIGH

10:23:52 TAX.

10:23:53 BUT THE PROBLEM IS, A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN HAS BEEN STATED.

10:23:59 LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY, WHERE WE ARE

10:24:03 YESTERDAY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE

10:24:05 FUTURE.

10:24:06 YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TAXATION IS ONE THING.

10:24:08 HOW DO YOU GET THE MONEY -- AND THE ENVIRONMENT TO PRODUCE

10:24:13 AND HELP SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE IN SOLAR THAT

10:24:18 PRODUCES ELECTRICITY.

10:24:20 ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE LESS ELECTRIC POWER AND LESS MONEY

10:24:23 COMING INTO THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE MUCH

10:24:27 MORE SOLAR THAN IT IS NOW.

10:24:28 I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

10:24:31 YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE

10:24:34 FACTORING IN TO DO THAT FOR US, HELP US.

10:24:38 THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I POSE.

10:24:42 I NEED A REPORT FOR THE FUTURE.

10:24:43 WHAT'S HAPPENING TOMORROW AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ATTAIN

10:24:45 THIS.




10:24:46 I NEED A ROAD WORK AND A MAP TO GET THERE.

10:24:49 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:24:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:24:50 ANYBODY ELSE?

10:24:52 >> IF I COULD ALSO TALK A LITTLE.

10:24:55 CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?

10:24:57 >> YES, WE CAN.

10:24:58 GO AHEAD.

10:24:58 >> I'M ALEX.

10:25:00 I USED TO BE -- FOR JOSEPH CITRO.

10:25:05 I HELPED CREATE THIS PRESENTATION, ALSO UPDATE THE NUMBERS,

10:25:12 MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER.

10:25:15 ALSO, ECONOMIC GRADUATE STUDENT.

10:25:18 THIS IS TOTALLY UP MY ALLEY.

10:25:20 THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST THE BEGINNING BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST

10:25:23 AVERAGES.

10:25:24 THEY ARE BASICALLY THE RAW DATA.

10:25:26 IF YOU KNOW ANY ECONOMIC PAPERS, USUALLY THEY ARE THE FIRST

10:25:29 THING AND THEN YOU DO STATISTICS, ALL THIS ANALYSIS.

10:25:32 IF YOU CAN HEAR YOU CAN LIE WITH STATISTICS, THAT'S USUALLY

10:25:40 WHEN YOU FLIPPED SOME THINGS, BUT THOSE ARE THE RAW NUMBERS

10:25:43 SO THEY BASICALLY TELL A STORY BUT THEY DON'T TELL YOU THE

10:25:46 COST.

10:25:46 THAT'S WHY THEY ARE LIKE THE FIRST STEP.

10:25:48 BUT IT'S STILL GOOD TO SEE THEM BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID,




10:25:52 THERE'S NO SUBJECTIVITY IN THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S THE

10:25:56 CENSUS DATA.

10:25:57 WE USED THE FIVE-YEAR ESTIMATES, THE ONES THAT COME OUT THE

10:26:00 LATEST TO REALLY GET THE BEST ACTUAL RESULTS OF WHAT'S GOING

10:26:06 ON.

10:26:07 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD THANK DR. LIMAYEM AND

10:26:12 HIS COLLEAGUES.

10:26:12 THANK YOU, ALEX.

10:26:13 THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO FOR ALLOWING ME TO USE ALEX

10:26:17 LAST YEAR.

10:26:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THAT.

10:26:21 YOU'RE WELCOME.

10:26:21 >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAYOR WILL BE MAKING HER ANNOUNCEMENT IN

10:26:25 ABOUT AN HOUR OR HALF HOUR, AND DR. LIMAYEM WILL BE THERE.

10:26:28 THIS IS JUST ONE STEP IN A LONG PROCESS.

10:26:31 THE NEXT THING, AS YOU SAID, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH USF

10:26:34 AND REALLY DEVELOP THE PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS AND DEVELOP THE

10:26:38 PLAN THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ASKED FOR.

10:26:41 THE MAYOR OR CAROLE POST AND HER STAFF WILL BE COMING BACK

10:26:46 BEFORE US TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF THE ECONOMIC ADVISORY

10:26:49 COMMITTEE.

10:26:50 AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK WE CAN ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

10:26:53 THAT'S JUST THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THE NUMBERS AND WHAT

10:26:55 WE SHOULD DO AND THEN WE NEED TO GET THE EXPERT'S ADVICE ON

10:26:59 WHAT THE PLAN SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD.




10:27:01 THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, YOU ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT A YEAR

10:27:04 AGO, ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT TODAY.

10:27:07 YOU ENABLED THE ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

10:27:09 THIS IS NOT MY WORK.

10:27:10 THIS IS THE WORK OF CITY COUNCIL.

10:27:11 CITY COUNCIL DOES SO MANY THINGS IN SO MANY WAYS.

10:27:14 I WANT TO THANK ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING THIS TO

10:27:17 HAPPEN.

10:27:17 THANKS, AV, FOR SETTING THIS UP TODAY.

10:27:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SINCE ALEX WAS PREVIOUSLY ONE OF OURS, I

10:27:24 HAVE TO TEASE HIM AND TELL HIM HE NEEDS TO MAKE HIS BED

10:27:28 BEFORE HE JOINS US NEXT TIME.

10:27:33 [ LAUGHTER ]

10:27:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:27:37 ENJOY YOUR DAY.

10:27:38 ITEM NUMBER 2.

10:27:40 IT WILL BE TPD OR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 WITH A

10:27:51 REPORT.

10:27:52 THERE WE ARE.

10:27:54 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:27:56 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:27:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE CAN.

10:27:58 GO AHEAD.

10:27:59 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL.

10:28:01 MY NAME IS SIMONE SAVINO ON BEHALF OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.




10:28:05 I'M HERE THIS MORNING WITH YOU TO DISCUSS A REPORT ON NOISE

10:28:08 CITATIONS ISSUED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS ALONGSIDE CAPTAIN

10:28:12 BRETT OWENS OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:28:16 THIS MOTION ORIGINATED ON OCTOBER 22nd BY COUNCILMAN

10:28:19 DINGFELDER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE IT UP ON

10:28:24 THE SCREEN.

10:28:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

10:28:28 WE CAN SEE IT.

10:28:33 GO AHEAD.

10:28:34 >> OKAY.

10:28:34 WONDERFUL.

10:28:34 THE FIRST -- THIS SLIDE AS WELL AS THE NEXT TWO SLIDES GO

10:28:38 THROUGH THE MOTIONS OF HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.

10:28:40 IF YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD TO SLIDE FOUR.

10:28:45 BEFORE I ADDRESS SLIDE FOUR, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BRIEF

10:28:57 MOMENT TO DISCUSS THE PAST CHANGES WITH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE

10:29:00 FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

10:29:01 THE NOISE ORDINANCE WAS SUBSTANTIALLY AMENDED IN AUGUST OF

10:29:05 2016.

10:29:06 AT THAT TIME, IT WAS AMENDED TO ADDRESS THE FAIR EVALUATION

10:29:09 AND STUDY OF DECIBEL LEVELS.

10:29:12 WE PROVIDED A DEFINITION FOR UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS

10:29:17 SOUND, AND WE ALLOWED FOR PROPERTY OWNERS WITH TWO OR MORE

10:29:20 VIOLATIONS WITHIN A SIX-MONTH PERIOD TO BE REFERRED TO THE

10:29:23 PUBLIC NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD, WHICH HAS THE AUTHORITY TO




10:29:26 IMPOSE ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS.

10:29:28 WE ALSO REDUCED EXEMPTIONS IN THE ORDINANCE FROM 18 TO 10 AT

10:29:33 THAT TIME.

10:29:34 THE ORDINANCE WAS LESS SUBSTANTIALLY AMENDED AGAIN IN AUGUST

10:29:37 OF 2018 IN WHICH WE REMOVED THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT

10:29:41 FROM SECTION 14-153, AND WE ADDED THE ARENA DISTRICT TO

10:29:47 SECTION 14-153.

10:29:49 SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF WHERE WE

10:29:53 LAST AMENDED OUR CHAPTER 14 ARTICLE III NOISE.

10:29:58 AS YOU MAY KNOW, CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE III IS THE CITY OF

10:30:01 TAMPA'S NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH ADDRESSES UNREASONABLY

10:30:05 EXCESSIVE NOISE.

10:30:07 THE LOCATION OF THE NOISE VIOLATION AIDS IN THE

10:30:09 DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER IT IS CONSIDERED UNREASONABLY

10:30:12 EXCESSIVE.

10:30:14 SECTION 14-153 PROHIBITS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A

10:30:20 PROPERTY IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, CHANNEL

10:30:23 DISTRICT, AND ARENA DISTRICT.

10:30:25 THESE AREAS WERE ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND

10:30:29 MEANT TO INCLUDE BARS AND MUSIC VENUES.

10:30:32 WHILE THESE AREAS DO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE

10:30:34 ZONING WAS ALLOWED A HIGHER LEVEL OF NOISE TO BE CONSIDERED

10:30:38 REASONABLE.

10:30:38 ENFORCEMENT IS CURRENTLY DONE VIA NOISE METER, WHICH

10:30:42 MEASURES DECIBEL LEVELS.




10:30:43 THE DECIBEL LEVELS ARE SET AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE NOISE

10:30:49 CONSULTANT AND THEY ARE MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

10:30:52 CURRENTLY, THE HIGHEST DECIBEL ALLOWED IN THIS AREA IS 85,

10:30:55 BETWEEN 85 DECIBELS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M.,

10:30:59 AND ALSO THE MINIMUM IS 65 DECIBELS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF

10:31:03 3 A.M. AND 6 P.M.

10:31:05 SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DECIBELS THAT WE ENFORCE

10:31:10 IN SECTION 14-153.

10:31:14 SECTION 14-154 PROHIBITS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A

10:31:19 PROPERTY AND ALL OTHER AREAS OF TAMPA.

10:31:22 NOISE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF TAMPA, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS

10:31:25 ZONED RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE WITH COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IS

10:31:28 ENFORCED BY SECTION 14-154.

10:31:31 SO WHILE THESE AREAS HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY WERE NOT

10:31:35 INTENDED TO HAVE OUTDOOR CONCERTS, AND YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE

10:31:39 HOUSING SITS ALONGSIDE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN MOST OF THESE

10:31:42 AREAS.

10:31:43 BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 P.M. AND 7 A.M., IT'S PRIMA FACIE

10:31:49 EVIDENCE IF THE SOUND IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE A MINIMUM OF 100

10:31:52 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SOURCE OF THE SOUND AT OR

10:31:56 WITHIN THE RECEIVING PROPERTY.

10:31:58 THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT TPD USES TO ENFORCE SECTION 14-154.

10:32:02 SECTION 14-155 PROHIBITS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A

10:32:08 VEHICLE.

10:32:09 SO THIS INCLUDES SOUND FROM ANY VEHICLE WHICH IS PLAINLY




10:32:13 AUDIBLE AT A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET OR MORE FROM THE VEHICLE AT

10:32:17 THE TIME THAT IT'S HEARD.

10:32:18 AND THEN SECTION 14-156 REGULATES THE PLACEMENT OF LOUD

10:32:23 SPEAKERS ON OR ABOVE THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

10:32:26 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

10:32:29 SECTION 14-159 REGULATES THE ENFORCEMENT OF OUR NOISE

10:32:40 ORDINANCE.

10:32:42 A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO ALL PERSONS

10:32:46 RESPONSIBLE FOR A VIOLATION BEFORE ISSUING A CIVIL CITATION

10:32:51 UNDER SECTIONS 14-153 OR SECTIONS 14-154 WHICH WE JUST

10:32:57 DISCUSSED ABOVE.

10:32:58 THIS WARNING WILL LAST FOR 48 HOURS AND SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED

10:33:03 BY TPD IN A STREET CHECK REPORT WITH THE NAME AND

10:33:05 INFORMATION OF THE COMPLAINANT.

10:33:07 AFTER WARNING, OFFICERS CAN CITE ANYTIME WITHOUT A SWORN

10:33:13 COMPLAINT FROM A COMPLAINANT IF THERE IS AN UNREASONABLY

10:33:17 EXCESSIVE NOISE FOR A PROPERTY AND AFTER A FIVE-MINUTE

10:33:20 WARNING, NOISE FROM THE LOCATION HAS CONTINUED TO REMAIN

10:33:23 PLAINLY AUDIBLE FOR MORE THAN 100 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY'S

10:33:27 LINE AS MEASURED BY AN OFFICER.

10:33:30 WE CAN ALSO ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCE WITH A SWORN COMPLAINT

10:33:33 FROM A COMPLAINANT.

10:33:34 SO THAT MEANS, AFTER WARNING, OFFICERS CAN CITE ANYTIME WITH

10:33:39 A SWORN COMPLAINT FROM A COMPLAINANT.

10:33:43 THE DEFENDANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOISE FROM THE




10:33:45 LOCATION IF AFTER A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING, NOISE FROM THE

10:33:48 LOCATION IS STILL UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS BASED UPON

10:33:52 THE SWORN COMPLAINT OF ONE OR MORE WITNESSES OF THE NOISE

10:33:56 VIOLATION.

10:33:57 ENFORCEMENT IS CONDUCTED BY THE ISSUANCE OF A CIVIL

10:34:00 CITATION, WHICH IS PUNISHABLE AS AN INFRACTION.

10:34:03 NOISE VIOLATIONS ARE CLASS TWO VIOLATIONS.

10:34:06 THAT MEANS THAT THE FIRST OFFENSE IS $150.

10:34:09 THE SECOND OFFENSE IS $300.

10:34:12 AND THE THIRD AND SUBSEQUENT EVENT IS $450.

10:34:16 A VIOLATION OF SECTION 14-155 OR 156, THAT'S NOISE FROM A

10:34:23 VEHICLE, PLACEMENT OF LOUD SPEAKERS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, ARE

10:34:26 CONSIDERED IRREPARABLE AND IRREVERSIBLE IN NATURE.

10:34:31 A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING IS NOT REQUIRED TO ISSUE ONE OF TWO

10:34:36 CITATIONS AND PEOPLE VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN THIS

10:34:39 WAY MAY IMMEDIATELY BE ISSUED A CIVIL CITATION.

10:34:41 MORE THAN ONE PERSON MAY BE FOUND RESPONSIBLE FOR A NOISE

10:34:50 VIOLATION.

10:34:51 AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO

10:34:56 CAPTAIN BRETT OWENS WHO WILL DISCUSS SLIDE SIX.

10:35:02 >> GOOD MORNING, BRETT OWEN, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

10:35:04 OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE'LL GO OVER WHERE

10:35:10 AND WHEN THESE NOISE VIOLATIONS OR NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE

10:35:12 COMING FROM.

10:35:13 WE REVIEWED THE DATA FROM JANUARY 1st OF 2019 THROUGH




10:35:17 OCTOBER 31st OF 2020, INCLUDES THE PERIOD OF THE COVID

10:35:21 SHUTDOWNS WITH THE BARS AND RESTAURANTS.

10:35:23 IT DOES SLIGHTLY SKEW OUR NUMBERS AND STATISTICS ARE BASED

10:35:27 ON CALLS FOR SERVICE UNDER THE 41M, DISTURBANCE BASED ON

10:35:32 MUSIC.

10:35:32 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

10:35:33 YOU CAN SEE THIS SLIDE, WE HAVE CALLS FOR SERVICE BASED ON

10:35:38 HOUR OF THE DAY.

10:35:40 YOU CAN SEE IT RAMPS UP IN THE EVENING HOURS AND PEAKS

10:35:43 AROUND 11 P.M., MIDNIGHT AND THEN STARTS TO TAPER OFF AGAIN.

10:35:48 SIGNIFICANT DECREASE BY 3 A.M., TYPICALLY WHEN THE BARS AND

10:35:51 RESTAURANTS CLOSE.

10:35:53 NEXT SLIDE.

10:35:54 HERE IS THE DAY OF THE WEEK BASED ON THE CALL VOLUME.

10:36:02 I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT WEEKENDS ARE

10:36:04 HEAVIER VOLUME THAN WEEKDAYS, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY BEING OUR

10:36:08 HEAVIEST.

10:36:09 NEXT SLIDE.

10:36:11 HERE WE HAVE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE BROKEN DOWN BY THE POLICE

10:36:18 DISTRICTS.

10:36:19 DISTRICT ONE BEING THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.

10:36:22 SECTOR A IS NORTH OF KENNEDY AND SECTOR B BEING SOUTH OF

10:36:26 KENNEDY.

10:36:26 WE HAVE SECTOR C AND SECTOR D UP IN DISTRICT 2.

10:36:30 SECTOR D HEAVIEST CALL VOLUME THERE SHOWS FROM HILLSBOROUGH




10:36:34 AVENUE NORTH.

10:36:37 SECTOR E IS HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE SOUTH DOWN TO THE INTERSTATE

10:36:39 AND SECTOR F FROM I-4 SOUTH IN THROUGH DOWNTOWN.

10:36:44 NEXT SLIDE.

10:36:46 HERE'S THE SAME INFORMATION WITH THE CALLS BROKEN DOWN BY

10:36:52 THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

10:36:53 YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY OCCUR ON THE MAP.

10:36:56 OBVIOUSLY, EAST TAMPA HAS SLIGHTLY HEAVIER VOLUME THERE,

10:37:02 PARTICULARLY AROUND YBOR CITY.

10:37:04 NEXT SLIDE.

10:37:07 OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE DISCUSSED FOLLOWING THE

10:37:15 PRESENTATION OF ITEM 3.

10:37:16 THEY KIND OF COINCIDE SO WE CAN DISCUSS ANY OTHER

10:37:20 INFORMATION.

10:37:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR --

10:37:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:37:32 I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, AND I APPRECIATE THE SLIDES.

10:37:36 DID ANY OF THE SLIDES SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE CITATIONS

10:37:41 ISSUED, NOT THE COMPLAINTS?

10:37:45 >> YES, SIR.

10:37:46 IF WE CAN GO BACK ONE SLIDE.

10:37:48 WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF DATA HERE.

10:38:02 WE HAD THE OPERATION SILENT NIGHT WHICH WAS STARTED ONE

10:38:04 MONTH AGO THAT HAD 69 STOPS CONDUCTED WITH 12 CITATIONS

10:38:10 ISSUED, AND THEN IN THE ACTUAL CALLS, THERE WERE 12,448




10:38:15 CALLS.

10:38:17 CITATIONS WITHIN DISTRICT FOUR, THERE WERE FOUR CITATIONS.

10:38:23 WITHIN DISTRICT FIVE, 99.

10:38:25 WITHIN DISTRICT SIX WAS SEVEN AND WITHIN DISTRICT SEVEN WAS

10:38:29 TWO.

10:38:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE RIGHT AROUND A

10:38:35 HUNDRED CITATIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT TIME

10:38:39 PERIOD IS.

10:38:40 THAT ABOUT A YEAR?

10:38:44 >> FROM JANUARY 1st OF 2019 TO OCTOBER 31st OF 2020.

10:38:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

10:38:52 IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A HUNDRED CITATIONS, WE HAVE 10,000

10:38:56 CALLS FOR SERVICE.

10:38:57 THAT SEEMS ON THE LOW SIDE.

10:39:04 IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR RATIONALE FOR THAT?

10:39:08 >> SO, THE CITATIONS ACTUALLY STARTED TO PICK UP AFTER WE

10:39:12 MOVED TO THE ELECTRONIC CITATIONS THROUGH THE TRACK SYSTEM,

10:39:16 SIMILAR TO OUR NORMAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CITATIONS.

10:39:19 I THINK THE MOBILITY OF IT, SIMPLISTIC NATURE MAKES IT

10:39:25 EASIER TO ISSUE CITATIONS.

10:39:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE CITATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE,

10:39:30 DOES THIS RELATE TO STRUCTURES AND VENUES OR MUSIC COMING

10:39:39 FROM HOMES AND THAT SORT OF THING OR DOES THIS RELATE TO

10:39:42 VEHICLES AT ALL?

10:39:45 >> IT'S ALL.




10:39:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IS THERE ANY BREAKOUT OR NO?

10:39:51 >> NO, SIR.

10:39:52 DO NOT DISTINGUISH THE TWO.

10:39:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE DON'T KNOW -- BECAUSE MR. DANIELS

10:39:59 COMES IN FRONT OF US QUITE OFTEN AND SPEAKS TO THE VEHICLE

10:40:02 ISSUE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING WHICH ONE IS

10:40:07 WHICH.

10:40:10 I GUESS NO MATTER WHAT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE REALLY

10:40:13 ISSUING MUCH IN THE WAY OF VEHICLES AT ALL BECAUSE THE TOTAL

10:40:19 -- I CAN'T DO THE MATH RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT IT'S 100

10:40:23 DIVIDED BY APPROXIMATELY 10,000.

10:40:26 WHAT'S THAT?

10:40:27 .1% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

10:40:34 >> A LOT OF THE CITATIONS THAT COME IN FOR THE VEHICLES ARE

10:40:37 NOT BASED ON A COMPLAINT.

10:40:40 A LOT OF THOSE ARE WITNESSED BY OFFICERS.

10:40:42 THEY CAN'T TAKE A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEONE FOR A VEHICLE

10:40:44 THAT'S MOVING.

10:40:45 YOU'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THAT.

10:40:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.

10:40:48 DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE --

10:40:51 >> I DO NOT HAVE A BREAKOUT FOR THAT.

10:40:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: -- THAT ARE NOT COMPLAINT DRIVEN?

10:40:56 >> NO, SIR, I DO NOT HAVE A BREAKOUT OR A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT

10:41:00 THE CITATIONS ARE.




10:41:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ARE THEY AVAILABLE?

10:41:03 IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, WHICH YOU WERE PROBABLY LISTENING

10:41:07 TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE NEED TO BENCHMARK THESE THINGS IN

10:41:11 ORDER TO KNOW IF WE'RE DOING BETTER.

10:41:13 SO WHEN MR. DANIELS COMES BACK NEXT YEAR WITH THE SAME

10:41:16 COMPLAINTS, AT LEAST IF WE HAVE THAT BENCHMARKED, THEN WE

10:41:19 CAN SAY, WELL, WE'VE IMPROVED 50%.

10:41:22 WE IMPROVED 100%.

10:41:24 WE'RE GIVING TICKETS OUT ON THE STREET.

10:41:30 >> SIMONE SAVINO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

10:41:32 THERE IS A CONSIDERABLY HIGH NUMBER OF 14-155 CITATIONS THAT

10:41:37 I HAVE SEEN IN COURT AS MUNICIPAL PROSECUTOR.

10:41:41 WE CAN GET THAT DATA POINT FOR YOU.

10:41:43 WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PULL IT.

10:41:45 WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS JUST A TOTAL OF ALL THE CITATIONS THAT

10:41:49 WERE ISSUED IN THE EXPLAINED TIMELINE.

10:41:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

10:41:56 WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU CAN FORWARD THAT

10:42:01 INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AFTER THE WORKSHOP AND SEE WHERE IT

10:42:05 GOES.

10:42:06 THANK YOU.

10:42:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:42:08 COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:42:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [MICROPHONE NOT ON] DOT-MATRIX BACK UP

10:42:15 AGAIN, I'D APPRECIATE IT.




10:42:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JOE, I DID WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU BEFORE

10:42:23 YOU MOVE FORWARD AND SPECIFICALLY JOE CITRO.

10:42:25 JOE OFTEN POINTS OUT WHEN WE'RE HAVING OUR REZONINGS,

10:42:31 ESPECIALLY AS RELATED TO WET ZONINGS, YOU KNOW, JOE ASKED

10:42:37 THE QUESTION HOW LATE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OPEN AND WHAT'S

10:42:42 THE STATUS OF THE EXTERNAL MUSIC.

10:42:47 WE CAN'T BE OUT IN THE POLICE CARS GIVING TICKETS.

10:42:51 MAYBE GUDES CAN, BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T.

10:42:54 BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN BE VIGILANT WHEN CLUBS COME IN

10:42:59 AND RESTAURANTS COME IN, LIKE MR. CITRO IS, TO MAKE SURE

10:43:02 THAT WE LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND LIMIT THE EXTERNAL

10:43:06 MUSIC.

10:43:06 SO, JOE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE

10:43:09 YOU THAT --

10:43:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:43:11 I BELIEVE MS. ABBYE FEELEY IS GOING TO HAVE SOME VERY GOOD

10:43:14 INFORMATION FOR US.

10:43:16 AS OUR CITY IS GROWING, WE'RE FINDING THAT MORE

10:43:20 ESTABLISHMENTS ARE ENCROACHING INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

10:43:25 I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE TO HEAR LOUD

10:43:29 MUSIC IN THE NIGHTS THEY ARE TRYING TO SLEEP.

10:43:31 AGAIN, CAPTAIN OWENS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:43:34 THE DOT-MATRIX YOU HAD UP THERE, I WAS NOTICING THAT A LOT

10:43:37 OF THOSE, AS YOU HAD SAID, WAS YBOR CITY.

10:43:39 I'M ALSO NOTICING A LOT OF THEM WERE HOWARD AVENUE GOING UP




10:43:44 THROUGH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THROUGH FLORIDA AVENUE, BUT MY

10:43:48 QUESTION AGAIN IS, THERE IS A LOT OF DOTS AROUND SOUTH TAMPA

10:43:53 WHERE PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT IT'S JUST MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

10:43:56 ARE THESE JUST PEOPLE HAVING PARTIES AND GOT A LITTLE TOO

10:44:02 LOUD AND MAYBE HAD A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO DRINK AND THAT'S THE

10:44:06 REASON WHY THEIR NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE CALLED ON THEM?

10:44:09 >> THAT DOES HAPPEN QUITE FREQUENTLY.

10:44:11 WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOME KIND OF

10:44:13 GATHERING, IT GETS A LITTLE LATE AND PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE

10:44:17 IT.

10:44:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE MATRIX IN FRONT OF

10:44:21 US.

10:44:21 AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY FOR SURE BECAUSE I CAN ONLY LOOK

10:44:24 AT THE MAP.

10:44:25 AGAIN, IT SEEMS THAT HOWARD AVENUE, YBOR CITY, GOING UP

10:44:30 FLORIDA AVENUE AND PARTS OF DALE MABRY SEEM LIKE IT'S A

10:44:34 LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

10:44:38 CAN I SAFELY SAY THAT?

10:44:41 >> YES, SIR.

10:44:43 THEY ARE MORE INDUSTRIAL, ENTERTAINMENT RELATED.

10:44:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CAPTAIN.

10:44:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I SAW

10:44:54 RECOMMENDATIONS.

10:44:55 WILL YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL?

10:45:00 >> YES, WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THOSE OR THEY HAVE BEEN




10:45:03 GROUPED TOGETHER WITH ITEM THREE.

10:45:05 SO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING IS GROUPED

10:45:08 TOGETHER WITH THAT PRESENTATION.

10:45:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: JUST TO MAKE A POINT, MR. DINGFELDER AND

10:45:13 MR. CITRO AND MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT EVENTUALLY MS. FEELEY

10:45:17 IS WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT THESE

10:45:19 ENTERTAINMENT-TYPE DISTRICTS, AGAIN, ENCROACHING ON

10:45:22 NEIGHBORHOODS.

10:45:23 MR. CARLSON MADE MENTION, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ENTERTAINMENT

10:45:26 DISTRICTS BEING A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY SO IT'S NOT

10:45:29 INFRINGING ON THE RESIDENTS.

10:45:31 GOOD POINT AGAIN, MR. DINGFELDER AND MR. CITRO, MR. CARLSON.

10:45:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLTON.

10:45:37 >>BILL CARLSON: STOP ME IF YOU'RE GOING TO COVER THIS IN

10:45:40 ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT OTHERS HAVE

10:45:43 BEEN ASKING, MR. DANIELS AND OTHERS HAVE COMPLAINED

10:45:47 REGULARLY ABOUT SOUND FROM CARS.

10:45:50 YBOR CITY, I GET CALLS ALMOST EVERY DAY.

10:45:52 SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA.

10:45:55 WHAT CAN WE DO AS CITY COUNCIL TO TRY TO SUPPORT YOUR

10:45:59 EFFORTS IN ENFORCING THE NOISE ISSUE FROM VEHICLES?

10:46:06 WE WANT TO KNOW THE REST OF IT, TOO, BUT IN VEHICLES IN

10:46:09 PARTICULAR, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY ARE

10:46:11 MOVING AND THEY MIGHT JUST BE BLASTING DOWN 7th AVENUE AND

10:46:16 THEN DISAPPEAR.




10:46:16 IS THERE SOMETHING CITY COUNCIL CAN DO TO SUPPORT YOUR

10:46:19 EFFORT?

10:46:22 >> NICE TO HAVE SOME CITIZENS TAKE SOME SELF-RESPONSIBILITY

10:46:25 AND LOWER THEIR MUSIC.

10:46:29 AS FAR AS CITATIONS GO, WE CAN ISSUE THEM.

10:46:34 DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU ALL AS

10:46:38 FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT.

10:46:40 >>SIMONE SAVINO: I WILL NOTE THAT SECTION 14-155, WHICH

10:46:52 GOVERNS THE UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS NOISE FROM A

10:46:55 VEHICLE, THAT IS AN IRREPARABLE AND IRREVERSIBLE VIOLATION.

10:47:00 ONCE AN OFFICER DOES WITNESS IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT

10:47:03 FIVE MINUTES, WHICH IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE FOR THE

10:47:06 OTHER NOISE SECTIONS.

10:47:08 THEY ARE NOT PROHIBITED BY A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING.

10:47:10 THEY CAN GO AHEAD, MEASURE THE DISTANCE, MAKE SURE -- AND

10:47:17 ISSUE A CITATION.

10:47:17 THE CODE ALLOWS FOR VERY QUICK ENFORCEMENT IF A VIOLATION IS

10:47:21 WITNESSED, IF AND WHEN A VIOLATION IS WITNESSED.

10:47:25 >>BILL CARLSON: GREAT.

10:47:25 IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN SUPPORT YOU.

10:47:29 I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAD A LOT

10:47:32 OF RETIREMENTS AND FOLKS ARE -- HAVE TO PUT IN A LOT OF

10:47:37 EXTRA HOURS.

10:47:38 I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE.

10:47:39 BUT IF THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP YOU.




10:47:41 OBVIOUSLY, FOLKS LIKE MR. DANIELS AND OTHERS, MANY OTHERS

10:47:46 WANT THIS SOLVED, AND IT'S AN ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

10:47:49 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:47:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:47:51 QUESTION FOR LEGAL, PLEASE.

10:47:54 >>SIMONE SAVINO: YES.

10:47:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DEFINITION OF LOUD NOISE GOES BY DECIBELS,

10:47:59 DOES IT NOT?

10:48:01 >>SIMONE SAVINO: THE DEFINITION OF LOUD, UNREASONABLY LOUD

10:48:04 AND RAUCOUS GOES BY DECIBELS ACCORDING TO SECTION 14-153.

10:48:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:48:10 >>SIMONE SAVINO: SECTION [INAUDIBLE] DOES NOT USE DECIBELS.

10:48:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:48:14 CAPTAIN OWENS, DOES EVERY POLICE OFFICER HAVE A DECIBEL

10:48:19 READING MACHINE OR TOOL?

10:48:23 >> NO, SIR.

10:48:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAPTAIN OWEN, I'M HERE TRYING TO SUPPORT YOU

10:48:31 ON THIS.

10:48:31 IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE USEFUL TO THE TPD?

10:48:36 >> WE HAVE THE METERS AND WE SIGN THEM OUT NIGHTLY SO THAT

10:48:40 THEY CAN TAKE THEM TO YBOR CITY AND TO THE OTHER AREAS WHERE

10:48:44 IT'S APPLICABLE.

10:48:45 BUT THERE ARE SO FEW AREAS LEFT THAT REQUIRE THE NOISE

10:48:48 METER, IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR EVERY OFFICER TO HAVE ONE.

10:48:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THEN AGAIN WE SAW ON THE DOT-MATRIX THAT




10:48:54 THERE WERE SEVERAL PLACES WERE NOT IN YBOR CITY, WERE NOT ON

10:48:57 HOWARD AVENUE.

10:48:59 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

10:49:00 NOW I'LL GO BACK TO LEGAL.

10:49:02 IF SOMEONE GETS PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING AND THERE IS A

10:49:05 RADAR GUN, YOU'VE GOT ACTUAL RECORD OF HOW FAST THEY WERE

10:49:10 GOING.

10:49:11 YOU YOURSELF JUST SAID THAT IT'S READ BY DECIBEL.

10:49:16 IF AN OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE A DECIBEL METER AND SAYS THAT

10:49:20 THESE PEOPLE WERE BEING TOO LOUD OR THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS

10:49:24 BAR OR WHATEVER, AND HANDS HIM A CIVIL CITATION, IS THERE

10:49:30 EVIDENCE TO BACK THEM UP ON THAT?

10:49:36 >>SIMONE SAVINO: SORRY.

10:49:37 I APOLOGIZE.

10:49:39 YOU'RE ASKING THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A DECIBEL READER, CAN

10:49:42 THEY CITE THEM?

10:49:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DID NOT ASK THAT.

10:49:45 I SAID, IF THEY ARE CITED AND THERE IS NOT A DECIBEL READER

10:49:51 MEASUREMENT, HOW IS THAT GOING TO PROVE ANY TYPE OF GUILT OR

10:50:00 INNOCENCE?

10:50:01 >>SIMONE SAVINO: I WILL DEFER TO CAPTAIN OWEN BECAUSE HE

10:50:04 DOES TAKE PART IN THE ACTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS.

10:50:07 I WILL ALSO MENTION THE AREAS THAT ARE GOVERNED BY DECIBELS

10:50:11 ARE JUST YBOR, CHANNEL DISTRICT AND ARENA DISTRICT.

10:50:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LEGAL, YOU'LL ANSWER MY QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE




10:50:19 THEN.

10:50:20 THANK YOU.

10:50:21 I WAS GOING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HAVING

10:50:24 PARTIES, WHERE THEIR NEIGHBORS CALL ON THEM AND SAY THAT THE

10:50:27 MUSIC IS TOO LOUD.

10:50:28 OKAY.

10:50:29 I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:50:29 THANK YOU, CAPTAIN OWEN.

10:50:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.

10:50:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO QUESTIONS, I'LL LET YOU FINISH IT OFF

10:50:38 LATER WITH IT.

10:50:40 OKAY?

10:50:40 DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE METERS COST?

10:50:47 >> I DO NOT.

10:50:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE SAYING IN THE EAST DISTRICT OFFICE,

10:50:52 HOW MANY ARE IN THE EQUIPMENT ROOM?

10:50:56 >> WE HAVE TWO.

10:50:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO FOR EACH DISTRICT.

10:51:01 >> YES.

10:51:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MAYBE EACH SQUAD -- A COUPLE EACH SQUAD.

10:51:06 >> WE KEEP THEM ASSIGNED WITH A SIGN-OUT LOG SO WE HAVE

10:51:10 ACCOUNTABILITY.

10:51:12 BUT BASED ON THE GRAPH YOU SAW, WE DON'T NEED THEM OUT THERE

10:51:17 AT ALL HOURS.

10:51:18 TYPICALLY SPEAKING, SOMEONE CHECKS IT OUT EVERY WEEKEND AND




10:51:21 CARRIES IT WITH THEM AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE

10:51:23 FOR RESPONDING TO THOSE NOISE COMPLAINTS.

10:51:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GET THAT.

10:51:27 I GET WHAT MR. CITRO IS SAYING, IF YOU HAD A FEW ON THOSE

10:51:32 SQUADS AND WE HEAR THE NOISE, IT MAY NOT BE FROM THE YBOR

10:51:35 CITY.

10:51:35 IT MAY BE A CAR.

10:51:36 IT COULD BE A LOUD PARTY THAT'S GOT SOME SPEAKERS OUT IN THE

10:51:40 YARD OR WHATEVER.

10:51:41 I CONCUR, IF THEY HAVE THAT METER DECIBEL, THEY CAN READ IT

10:51:47 RIGHT AWAY.

10:51:47 THIS IS THE LEGAL.

10:51:49 ARE THERE ANY CITIES THAT HAVE A NO NOISE FOR VEHICLES OR

10:51:52 LOUD MUSIC ANYWHERE OR IT'S ALWAYS -- ON THE DECIBEL.

10:51:59 >> SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST WORD.

10:52:01 IS IT ALWAYS REGULATED BY DECIBEL?

10:52:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.

10:52:06 >>SIMONE SAVINO: IT DIFFERS FROM CITY TO CITY.

10:52:08 I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW AS FAR AS A VEHICLE NOISE CITATION,

10:52:12 THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A DECIBEL READING.

10:52:14 THAT'S PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

10:52:17 ALL WE'RE MEASURING FOR THE VEHICLES IS THE DISTANCE FROM

10:52:19 WHICH THE OFFICER IS STANDING FROM THE VEHICLE EMITTING A

10:52:22 SOUND.

10:52:23 IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 FEET.




10:52:24 SO WE ARE PROGRESSIVE IN THAT IT IS A PLAINLY AUDIBLE

10:52:28 STANDARD.

10:52:29 TPD JUST HAS TO WITNESS THE VIOLATION BY WHAT THEY HEAR,

10:52:34 UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS STANDARD IN ORDER TO ISSUE A

10:52:37 VIOLATION FOR A VEHICLE.

10:52:38 I ALSO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH YOU GUYS JUST TO

10:52:41 REITERATE.

10:52:43 SECTION 14-153 IS THE ONLY SECTION THAT GOVERNS WITH DECIBEL

10:52:49 LEVELS IN OUR ORDINANCE.

10:52:51 IT'S SPECIFIC TO YBOR CITY, CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND ARENA

10:52:55 DISTRICT AT PRESENT.

10:52:57 THIS WAS ESTABLISHED BECAUSE INITIALLY THESE WERE AREAS

10:53:01 ZONED FOR ENTERTAINMENT, AND THAT ALLOWED FOR A LOUDER

10:53:05 STANDARD TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR NOISE, AND ALSO THE DECIBEL

10:53:09 APPLIES HERE BECAUSE ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ARE LINED UP.

10:53:14 IT'S EASIER FOR AN OFFICER TO SCAN WITH A DECIBEL READER

10:53:18 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS CODE SECTION

10:53:21 REQUIRES.

10:53:21 EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY IS CONSIDERED THAT PLAINLY

10:53:25 AUDIBLE, LOUD AND RAUCOUS STANDARD.

10:53:28 A DECIBEL READER IS NOT NEEDED TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE

10:53:31 WITHIN SECTION 14-154.

10:53:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S NOT SAYING WE COULDN'T ADD THAT,

10:53:36 CORRECT?

10:53:36 IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN'T ADD THAT, CORRECT?




10:53:40 COUNCIL SAYS WE WANT DECIBEL METERS FOR OFFICERS OR DECIBEL

10:53:50 METERS IN REFERENCE TO 50 FEET.

10:54:00 >>SIMONE SAVINO: SURE.

10:54:01 ANYTHING CAN BE MANIPULATED.

10:54:03 ANYTHING THAT EXISTS IN THE CODE CAN BE MANIPULATED.

10:54:06 I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW THAT WE

10:54:10 WOULD DEFER TO THAT.

10:54:12 WE BELIEVE DECIBELS WORK WELL IN SECTION 14-153 ENFORCEMENT

10:54:18 AND PLAINLY AUDIBLE WORKS WELL IN 14-154 ENFORCEMENT.

10:54:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CLAY DANIELS, WITH VEHICLES, MR. CITRO

10:54:28 ALLUDED TO, SOMEBODY TAKES TO COURT, CHALLENGES IT.

10:54:31 WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE

10:54:34 THAT THE CITIZENS, THAT THE COUNCIL IS HEARING THEM FOR

10:54:41 THEIR NEEDS AND CONCERNS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

10:54:42 THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE

10:54:45 WE'RE ABLE TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM SOMETHING.

10:54:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:54:51 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:54:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M JUST LOOKING FOR INFORMATION HERE.

10:54:57 I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL.

10:55:01 CAN YOU READ OFF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS AGAIN FOR ME?

10:55:06 >>SIMONE SAVINO: THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY NOTED IN THE CODE

10:55:08 AS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.

10:55:09 THEY ARE JUST DESIGNATED AREAS.

10:55:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: REGARDLESS, GIVE ME THE DESIGNATED AREAS,




10:55:15 PLEASE.

10:55:15 >>SIMONE SAVINO: YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, CHANNEL

10:55:19 DISTRICT, AND THE ARENA DISTRICT.

10:55:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: CAN WE MAYBE IN THE FUTURE ADD PLACES THAT

10:55:28 I'M GETTING SERIOUS CALLS FROM?

10:55:30 HOWARD AVENUE, FLORIDA AVENUE, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS

10:55:32 GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CHANGE.

10:55:33 THANK YOU, ABBYE FEELEY.

10:55:35 I SEE YOU'RE IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

10:55:37 BUT I'M ALSO GETTING CALLS IN THOSE AREAS.

10:55:40 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:55:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:55:43 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION REAL

10:55:45 FAST.

10:55:46 WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SOUND OF VEHICLES, SO YESTERDAY,

10:55:48 JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, MY OTHER OFFICE IS IN YBOR.

10:55:51 I'M IN YBOR ALL THE TIME FOR THAT.

10:55:53 YESTERDAY, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT VEHICLES THAT

10:55:56 DROVE DOWN 7th AVENUE.

10:55:58 THEY WERE SPEEDING, AND THEY CRANKED UP THEIR MUFFLER.

10:56:01 IN THE OLD DAYS, WE USED TO HAVE INSPECTIONS.

10:56:04 THIS IS DATING ME, BUT INSPECT THE MUFFLERS.

10:56:07 NOW THE PEOPLE TAKE THEM OFF AND THE CARS ARE REALLY LOUD

10:56:10 BECAUSE THEY SET THEM UP TO BE LIKE THAT.

10:56:12 IT'S NOT AMPLIFIED SOUND FROM ELECTRONICALLY BUT AMPLIFIED




10:56:18 SOUND FROM A MUFFLER.

10:56:19 DO YOU ALL TREAT THAT SOUND THE SAME OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT?

10:56:25 >> IT'S ACTUALLY DIFFERENT.

10:56:26 THERE IS A FLORIDA STATUTE FOR THE EXHAUST.

10:56:29 >>BILL CARLSON: THEY STILL COULD BE FINED FOR THAT?

10:56:32 >> YES, SIR.

10:56:34 IT'S STILL A CITATION.

10:56:36 >>SIMONE SAVINO: THAT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC INFRACTION, WHICH

10:56:39 WOULD BE NOT -- IT WOULDN'T BE A CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATION AT

10:56:42 THAT POINT.

10:56:46 >>BILL CARLSON: I'M GETTING LOTS OF POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT

10:56:49 YBOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THAT YOU ALL ARE REGULARLY

10:56:54 ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT PEOPLE WANTED.

10:56:57 AS YBOR CHANGES FROM A BAR DISTRICT TO A COMMUNITY AGAIN,

10:57:00 THE FOLKS THERE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR HELP.

10:57:03 THANK YOU.

10:57:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES BROUGHT UP A QUESTION.

10:57:08 CAN WE PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE OR A LAW THAT YOU JUST BAN

10:57:11 SOUND COMPLETELY?

10:57:12 I THINK IN NEW YORK CITY AND MANHATTAN, I THINK HONKING IS

10:57:17 NOT ALLOWED.

10:57:18 IF I REMEMBER, THERE'S LIKE NO HONKING AND DON'T BLOCK THE

10:57:22 BOX, DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION.

10:57:24 THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC.

10:57:27 AM I RIGHT?




10:57:28 I HAVEN'T BEEN IN NEW YORK IN 15 YEARS.

10:57:31 I REMEMBER SEEING SIGNS, YOU SEE OLD MOVIES BASED IN

10:57:34 NEW YORK AND IT'S ALL THIS HONKING AND TRAFFIC.

10:57:37 IF THEY CAN BAN THAT, WHY CAN'T WE TAKE CERTAIN STEPS FOR

10:57:40 OTHER THINGS HERE?

10:57:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT WILL WE DO WHEN SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT

10:57:45 THEIR CELL PHONE AND THE LIGHT IS GREEN?

10:57:51 >>BILL CARLSON: NOT JUST A LIGHT GREEN, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING

10:57:55 DOWN THE INTERSTATE 80 MILES AN HOUR WITH BOTH HANDS TEXTING

10:58:01 LOOKING DOWN.

10:58:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION FOR

10:58:07 ITEM NUMBER 3?

10:58:08 WE'LL ROLL INTO 3 AND BRING UP THE PRESENTATION.

10:58:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

10:58:13 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:58:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND

10:58:22 GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

10:58:23 SIMONE, DON'T RUN AWAY.

10:58:25 I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.

10:58:36 I THINK WHAT YOU ALL HAVE ENCOMPASSED IN THE LAST 20 MINUTES

10:58:40 JUST THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSION IS WHAT WE FACE AS WE LOOK AT

10:58:44 THESE REGULATIONS, AND WE LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO CHANGE

10:58:50 THEM AND ALSO TO ACHIEVE WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT AS A CITY.

10:58:57 AS YOU CAN HEAR THIS MORNING, NOISE, IT'S BIG, AND THERE ARE

10:59:01 ALL THESE STANDARDS AND THERE ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT




10:59:04 PARAMETERS THAT GO WITH IT.

10:59:06 AND WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SEVERAL OF THOSE THIS

10:59:10 MORNING, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE MAKING

10:59:14 TODAY.

10:59:15 IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.

10:59:17 WITH ME THIS MORNING, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, SENIOR ASSISTANT

10:59:25 CITY ATTORNEY, AND SIMONE SAVINO, WHO YOU JUST HEARD FROM,

10:59:31 ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

10:59:32 WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER ALSO IN COLLABORATION --

10:59:36 WHO BROUGHT MANY OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE CHANGES TO YOU JUST

10:59:38 A FEW YEARS AGO.

10:59:40 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

10:59:42 THERE WERE SOME MOTIONS MADE.

10:59:48 THERE WAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION GIVEN ON OCTOBER 22nd THAT

10:59:52 LOOKED AT THE SOUND REGULATIONS RELATED TO ALCOHOLIC

10:59:55 BEVERAGE PERMITS.

10:59:58 WHERE WAS IT REGULATED.

10:59:59 WHAT TYPES OF USES HAD SOUND REGULATED WITH IT IN TERMS OF

11:00:02 WHEN YOU GOT PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

11:00:07 SO AT THAT HEARING OR AT THAT WORKSHOP, THERE WAS A MOTION

11:00:12 TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

11:00:14 WE WERE THEN CONTINUED A COUPLE OF TIMES, WHICH ACTUALLY

11:00:18 GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO FORMULATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT

11:00:20 FURTHER FOR YOU, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

11:00:22 THE THING WE WERE FACING WAS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD AN




11:00:27 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT, YOU HAD OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND

11:00:32 TILL A CERTAIN TIME, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN ALCOHOLIC

11:00:34 BEVERAGE PERMIT, YOU GOT OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND ALL THE

11:00:38 TIME.

11:00:39 OUR OBJECTIVE -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE -- IN LOOKING AT THIS

11:00:43 ISSUE AND BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU TODAY WAS REALLY TO COME

11:00:45 BACK TO YOU TO PROVIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA CITIZEN COMMERCIAL

11:00:51 ESTABLISHMENTS AND ENFORCEMENT WITH A PREDICTABLE AND

11:00:54 UNDERSTANDABLE APPROACH TO NOISE ENFORCEMENT.

11:00:57 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

11:01:00 AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM SIMONE, THERE ARE THESE TWO

11:01:05 STANDARDS, THERE ARE TWO AREAS OF THE CITY'S CODE OF

11:01:10 ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS SOUND AND NOISE.

11:01:13 THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALL TYPICALLY

11:01:17 TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE

11:01:22 REQUESTS THAT COME BEFORE YOU, AND THE ONLY PLACE RIGHT NOW

11:01:24 THAT OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND IS DISCUSSED IN OUR CODE IS IN

11:01:29 THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, BUT IT IS NOT DEFINED.

11:01:34 IN RELATIONSHIP TO NOISE, AS WE JUST HAD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE

11:01:38 PRESENTATION FROM SIMONE AND CAPTAIN OWEN, NOISE IS

11:01:42 ADDRESSED IN CHAPTER 14, AND THERE ARE TWO STANDARDS.

11:01:45 I REALLY JUST HEARD YOU ALL TALK ABOUT THEM, AND THAT IS

11:01:48 THAT DECIBEL STANDARD WHEN YOU ARE USING A METER TO MEASURE

11:01:53 THE SOUND, AND THERE IS A PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD.

11:01:57 THAT'S WHEN YOU HEAR IT WITH YOUR OWN EARS.




11:02:01 THAT IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS ABOUT

11:02:05 THE LOUD CARS, WHEN YOU HEAR A CAR, RIGHT NOW UNDER OUR

11:02:10 CURRENT CODE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE HEARING IT 50 FEET AWAY,

11:02:13 THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A CITATION.

11:02:18 GET OUT THE DECIBEL READER AND MEASURE AND SEE AND AS THE

11:02:21 CAR PULLS AWAY, SO YOU ACTUALLY, IF IT IS BEING HEARD BY THE

11:02:26 OFFICER AND THE OFFICER IS 50 FEET FROM THE CAR, A CITATION

11:02:31 CAN BE ISSUED UNDER TODAY'S CODE.

11:02:33 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

11:02:37 I'M GOING TO LET SUSAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CURRENT

11:02:44 STANDARDS AND HOW THEY ARE EMPLOYED.

11:02:45 I THINK WE JUST WENT OVER A LOT OF THEM.

11:02:49 WE'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THOSE AND MOVE ON TO THE

11:02:52 RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

11:02:54 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

11:02:59 COUNCIL, THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE TWO CURRENT STANDARDS

11:03:01 THAT THE CITY USES.

11:03:02 AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE DECIBEL LEVEL STANDARD AS WELL

11:03:05 AS THE PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD.

11:03:07 THEY ARE BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

11:03:10 SIMONE TOLD YOU A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT WE USE THE DECIBEL

11:03:14 LEVEL STANDARD IN THE YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT, CURRENTLY AS

11:03:17 WELL AS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND THE ARENA DISTRICT.

11:03:19 THAT ESTABLISHES THAT MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL OF 85 DBA

11:03:27 BETWEEN 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M.




11:03:30 AND THEN STARTING AT 3 A.M. AND CONTINUING UNTIL 6 P.M., IT

11:03:33 REDUCES IT 20 POINTS DOWN TO 65 DECIBELS.

11:03:36 IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, THE PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD

11:03:42 APPLIES.

11:03:42 WE'VE BEEN THROWING THAT TERM AROUND A LOT.

11:03:45 IF WE COULD JUST SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE VERY QUICKLY THAT

11:03:49 SHOWS THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS IN THE CODE AND FOUR DOWN, A

11:03:55 DEFINITION FOR PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

11:03:56 THAT YOU CAN SEE MEANS ANY SOUND THAT CAN BE CLEARLY HEARD

11:04:00 BY A PERSON USING HIS OR HER NORMAL HEARING FACULTIES.

11:04:05 THAT'S SOUND UNAIDED BY A HEARING AID, FOR EXAMPLE, OR ANY

11:04:09 TYPE OF DEVICE THAT AIDS IN HEARING.

11:04:11 IT FURTHER DESCRIBES WHAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR.

11:04:14 YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE OUT PARTICULAR WORDS BUT

11:04:17 YOU CAN HEAR THE SOUND.

11:04:18 AGAIN, AS WAS DESCRIBED TO YOU IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, IT'S

11:04:22 PLAINLY AUDIBLE IF YOU'RE STANDING AT A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET

11:04:25 AWAY.

11:04:26 SO THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT'S APPLICABLE IN ALL OTHER AREAS

11:04:30 OF THE CITY BESIDES THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE

11:04:33 SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE.

11:04:35 AND THE WAY THOSE ARE DEFINED, COUNCILMAN CITRO, TO ADDRESS,

11:04:40 SO YOU CAN BE THINKING IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE WANTING TO

11:04:43 CONSIDER ADDING THOSE IS THOSE THREE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE

11:04:47 VERY SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.




11:04:49 THE BOUNDARIES OF THEM ARE VERY SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN THE

11:04:52 CODE.

11:04:52 SO YOU WOULD NEED TO ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT PARAMETERS

11:04:58 YOU WOULD WANT TO ESTABLISH FOR THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS.

11:05:03 I HEARD HOWARD AVENUE MENTIONED.

11:05:05 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE MENTIONED, SO WHAT SPECIFIC AREAS OF

11:05:08 THOSE THAT YOU THINK ARE PROBLEMATIC THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO

11:05:12 DISCUSS ADDING TO SECTION 14-153.

11:05:17 ABBYE, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU TO SUMMARIZE THE

11:05:22 RECOMMENDATIONS.

11:05:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, SUSAN.

11:05:24 SO THIS MORNING WE HAVE FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU.

11:05:28 NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

11:05:29 THE FIRST IS TO CREATE A CITYWIDE AMPLIFIED SOUND STANDARD.

11:05:34 SO NO LONGER SELL ALCOHOL AND LIMITED TO AMPLIFIED SOUND,

11:05:39 AMPLIFIED SOUND THROUGHOUT THE CITY WOULD CEASE AT A CERTAIN

11:05:42 TIME.

11:05:43 NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT SAME STANDARD

11:05:47 AND IT WOULD WORK TO REALLY CREATE THAT PRIVACY AND COMFORT

11:05:53 IN YOUR HOME THAT SO MANY OF YOU HAVE DISCUSSED OVER THE

11:05:56 PAST FEW MONTHS WHEN THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP.

11:05:59 THE SECOND WOULD BE TO MODIFY AND AMEND CHAPTER 14 TO DO

11:06:05 SOME REFINEMENT, CLARIFICATION, AND UPDATES.

11:06:07 AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.

11:06:09 THE THIRD IS TO ADDRESS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND MOVING THE




11:06:14 CHANNEL DISTRICT FROM THOSE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS INTO THE

11:06:19 GENERAL CITY STANDARD.

11:06:21 SO GIVEN THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE THAT HAS NOW DEVELOPED IN

11:06:25 CHANNEL SIDE, IT REALLY IS PREDOMINANTLY A RESIDENTIAL

11:06:30 NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ACCESSORY RESTAURANT AND OTHER USES, BUT

11:06:36 WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS THE REST OF THE CITY.

11:06:40 AND THEN TO LOOK AT UPDATING THE ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS.

11:06:43 THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED WITH YOU AND

11:06:48 LOOKING AT REMOVING THAT AND ALLOWING FOR IMMEDIATE WARNING

11:06:52 OR CITATION WITHOUT HAVING THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING.

11:06:56 AND THEN LASTLY, MONITORING AND ASSESSING FUTURE

11:07:00 CONSIDERATIONS.

11:07:02 WE HAVE SOME STARTING PLACES TODAY, AND WE'LL TALK TO YOU A

11:07:05 LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IF WE MOVE

11:07:09 FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS PER YOUR DIRECTION, AND

11:07:12 THEN WHAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO AND MUCH OF THAT WAS LOOKING AT

11:07:17 THOSE MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND SOME OF OUR URBAN VILLAGES

11:07:24 WHICH ARE THE AREAS THAT COUNCILMAN CITRO WAS DISCUSSING

11:07:28 JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

11:07:30 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

11:07:32 WHERE DO WE START?

11:07:35 AND OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS TO CREATE A CITYWIDE

11:07:40 STANDARD THAT PROHIBITS OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER

11:07:44 MIDNIGHT.

11:07:45 EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, WHETHER I SELL ALCOHOL OR NOT, WHICH




11:07:48 IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED THROUGH THIS AND

11:07:52 PREPARED THIS PRESENTATION FOR YOU, IT'S INTERESTING TO

11:07:56 THINK THAT SOMEPLACE LIKE WORLD OF BEER OR MacDINTON'S OR

11:08:00 SOMETHING MAY HAVE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 1 A.M.

11:08:04 OR AFTER 11 P.M., BUT PETA PIT THAT'S NEXT DOOR AND

11:08:08 CONTINUES TO STAY OPEN AND SERVE PEOPLE FOOD UNTIL 3 A.M.

11:08:12 WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THE BARS COULD HAVE OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED

11:08:16 SOUND.

11:08:17 THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

11:08:19 IT WASN'T EQUITABLE.

11:08:21 WE TRIED TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE?

11:08:23 OUR OBJECTIVE IS AT A CERTAIN POINT, THE CITY SHOULD BE

11:08:27 QUIET.

11:08:28 AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU THIS MORNING THAT WE

11:08:31 WOULD PROPOSE CITYWIDE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER

11:08:35 MIDNIGHT.

11:08:38 NOW, IN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ALSO, YOU HAVE OUTDOOR

11:08:41 AMPLIFIED SOUND AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE NOISE OR SOUND THAT

11:08:45 COMES FROM INSIDE AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD CONTINUE AFTER

11:08:51 THAT TIME, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARD OUTSIDE.

11:08:54 AND THAT, TOO, HAS A STANDARD OF MEASUREMENT, AND IT HAS A

11:08:59 STANDARD OF ENFORCEMENT.

11:09:00 AND THAT IS THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS.

11:09:03 I'LL LET SUSAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

11:09:06 SHE'S DONE SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAD




11:09:10 IN AS THEIR STANDARDS.

11:09:11 I ASK TO YOU KEEP IN MIND AGAIN THAT THE DECIBELS ARE

11:09:16 MEASUREMENTS AND ENFORCED IN THE THREE AREAS, YBOR, ARENA

11:09:20 DISTRICT, AND CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER

11:09:23 OF THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THOSE, IT IS A PLAINLY AUDIBLE

11:09:27 STANDARD.

11:09:27 SUSAN.

11:09:28 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, ABBYE.

11:09:30 COUNCIL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE ALSO JUST SO

11:09:34 YOU'RE AWARE, THAT IN PREPARING FOR THIS WORKSHOP, WE DID DO

11:09:39 RESEARCH ON OTHER JURISDICTIONS ALL THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF

11:09:42 FLORIDA AS WELL AS ATLANTA, PLACES LIKE AUSTIN, TEXAS, JUST

11:09:46 TO SEE HOW THEY TREATED NOISE AND WHAT WE LEARNED THERE IS

11:09:52 REALLY NO ONE UNIVERSAL APPROACH AND THAT CITIES REALLY DO

11:09:56 TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AS A

11:09:59 WHOLE, AS WELL AS CERTAIN SPECIFIED AREAS.

11:10:02 SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT CITIES TRY TO

11:10:07 ADDRESS NOISE.

11:10:09 WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS KIND OF INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO

11:10:13 SEE HOW THEY AFFECT NOISE AND NOISE ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE

11:10:17 CITY, AND THEN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT FURTHER STEPS ARE

11:10:19 NEEDED.

11:10:20 SO ONE AREA THAT WE THINK IS RIGHT FOR CHANGE IS THE

11:10:24 SPECIFIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE CODE.

11:10:27 YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ARENA DISTRICT.




11:10:29 WE'LL DEAL WITH CHANNEL DISTRICT IN A MOMENT.

11:10:32 BUT JUST GRADUALLY REDUCING THE MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL.

11:10:35 CURRENTLY, AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, IT STARTS AT THE MAXIMUM

11:10:40 DECIBEL LEVEL BETWEEN 6 A.M. -- SORRY, 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M., 85

11:10:46 DECIBELS.

11:10:47 AND AT 3 A.M., IT GOES DOWN TO 65.

11:10:50 SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE WOULD BE TO DO, ADD A SECOND TIER,

11:10:56 KIND OF A MIDDLE TIER BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1 A.M. AND 3 A.M.

11:11:00 SO THAT YOU REDUCE THE SOUND LEVEL DOWN, AND THEN AT 3 A.M.,

11:11:04 YOU GO DOWN TO THAT LOWER LEVEL OF 65.

11:11:07 AND THIS WAS IN PART DUE TO THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID INTO

11:11:11 OTHER AREAS AS WELL AS MONITORING OF ESTABLISHMENTS IN SOME

11:11:17 OF THOSE DISTRICTS WHERE WE DID SEE THAT THERE WAS NOISE

11:11:21 LEVELS SOMETIMES IN THAT LOWER THAN 85, BUT HIGHER THAN THAT

11:11:26 75 WITHIN THOSE TIME FRAMES.

11:11:28 AND THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL LAYER, ADDITIONAL

11:11:31 OPPORTUNITY FOR ENFORCEMENT AND REDUCTION OF SOUND IF WE

11:11:34 ADDED THAT EXTRA MIDDLE TIER.

11:11:37 SO THAT'S WHERE THAT IDEA CAME FROM.

11:11:42 THEN ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WOULD REMAIN THE PLAINLY

11:11:45 AUDIBLE STANDARD CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE CODE WHERE THE

11:11:48 SOUND IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE USING YOUR NORMAL HEARING

11:11:51 FACULTIES.

11:11:51 SO THAT WOULD ALLOW ENFORCEMENT TO REMAIN THE SAME FOR OTHER

11:11:54 AREAS OF THE CITY.




11:11:55 THE SECOND -- I'M SORRY.

11:12:01 >>ABBYE FEELEY: AS WE MOVE THROUGH, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO

11:12:04 HOLD DISCUSSION TO THE END ON ALL FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS OR IF

11:12:07 YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS EACH RECOMMENDATION INDIVIDUALLY.

11:12:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GO ONE AT A TIME, THEN.

11:12:16 COUNCILMAN CITRO.

11:12:18 AND DINGFELDER.

11:12:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [MICROPHONE NOT ON] MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ AND

11:12:24 MS. FEELEY, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THIS.

11:12:28 I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

11:12:30 JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND THEY SEE 85 DBA, 75 DBA, CAN

11:12:37 YOU GIVE A KIND OF COMPARISON TO WHAT THOSE LEVELS ARE LIKE?

11:12:40 FOR INSTANCE, 85 DBA A JET ENGINE WHERE 65 IS ONLY SOMEBODY

11:12:46 PLAYING THE DRUMS IN THE HOUSE?

11:12:56 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THIS IS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.

11:12:59 THOSE 85 DBA VERSUS 65 DBA WERE LEVELS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED

11:13:04 ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THE CITY HAD A SOUND EXPERT COME IN

11:13:08 AND DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE MINIMUM AND

11:13:13 MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVELS FOR THE CITY.

11:13:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

11:13:17 THAT'S GREAT.

11:13:18 BUT I THINK THAT -- EXCUSE ME, I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT

11:13:23 THERE THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT LEVELS THOSE ARE.

11:13:28 I WAS JUST HOPING YOU COULD GIVE SOME SORT OF COMPARISON.

11:13:30 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.




11:13:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.

11:13:33 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:13:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:13:37 ABBYE AND SUSAN, IT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.

11:13:45 WHEN I LOOK AT THE GRADUAL REDUCTION, IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO

11:13:50 THE DAYS OF THE WEEK I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE

11:13:56 TWEAKING THIS, TO ME, DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE PRETTY RELEVANT.

11:14:01 IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PEACE

11:14:05 AND QUIET ON A SUNDAY NIGHT, MONDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY NIGHT AND

11:14:10 WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

11:14:12 PERHAPS MORE SO THAN THURSDAY, FRIDAY, OR SATURDAY.

11:14:15 AND I THINK COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN TO THAT ON MANY OCCASIONS

11:14:19 DURING WET ZONINGS, ET CETERA.

11:14:22 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT OR THOUGHT ABOUT

11:14:26 THAT.

11:14:26 I'D LOVE TO HEAR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS' INPUT ON THAT, BUT

11:14:30 THIS COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN

11:14:34 THAT.

11:14:34 I THINK ON A SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT

11:14:37 TO PEACE AND QUIET BY MIDNIGHT.

11:14:41 AND I KNOW MOST CLUBS AND A LOT OF CLUBS, ANYWAY, ARE

11:14:45 SHUTTING DOWN ON THOSE DAYS BY MIDNIGHT.

11:14:48 BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE SOME ENFORCEABLE RESTRICTIONS,

11:14:53 I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE DAYS OF THE WEEK.

11:14:58 COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, ANYBODY?




11:15:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:15:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE TO BE RATIONAL.

11:15:08 PEOPLE SELL PRODUCTS.

11:15:10 THEY SELL LOUD SPEAKERS.

11:15:12 THEY SELL CARS THAT HAVE BIG SYSTEMS IN THEM.

11:15:17 MY GOOD FRIEND IS A DEEJAY, THEY BUY THESE BIG THINGS, GO TO

11:15:22 THE NIGHTCLUBS, THE YOUNG FOLKS WANT TO HEAR IT, BOOM, BOOM,

11:15:25 BOOM.

11:15:26 SOMETIMES I BOB MY HEAD, TOO.

11:15:30 GET REALISTIC WITH IT.

11:15:31 BUT I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT.

11:15:33 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WEEKEND, THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, YOU

11:15:36 GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE LENIENCY WITH IT A LITTLE BIT.

11:15:41 I THINK DISTINCTLY LOOKING AT DAYS OF THE WEEK.

11:15:47 PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT DURING THE WEEK.

11:15:49 PEOPLE GO TO WORK.

11:15:52 SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT WHEN I SAY THIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT

11:15:55 YBOR, SAY IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

11:15:58 IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

11:15:59 IT'S NOT A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.

11:16:00 IT'S WHAT IT IS.

11:16:04 YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BARS.

11:16:06 WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BARS, YOU HAVE MUSIC.

11:16:10 IT IS WHAT IT IS.

11:16:10 YOU HAVE MUSIC.




11:16:12 WE'VE MADE THE SOHO DISTRICT, YOU WANT A LIVABLE PLACE, NOW

11:16:21 YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE COME IN AND THOSE BARS ARE THERE

11:16:24 MAKING MONEY.

11:16:24 YOU HAVE CIGAR BARS.

11:16:28 I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO DEFINE THE DAYS OF THE WEEK.

11:16:31 I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

11:16:34 I THINK LOOKING AT THE DECIBELS WOULD PROBABLY HELP SOME

11:16:37 DURING AGAIN THE WEEKEND HOURS AS WELL.

11:16:39 SOME PEOPLE DO GO OVERBOARD.

11:16:41 LITTLE PARTY AT THE HOUSE OR SOMEPLACE, AND IT GOES OVER

11:16:45 PAST 1:00.

11:16:47 SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT TO TRY OUT THIS PARTICULAR

11:16:51 TIME, BUT I DO THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE STIPULATIONS FOR

11:16:55 DURING THE WEEK, THOUGH.

11:16:56 MY SUGGESTION.

11:16:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?

11:16:58 COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:17:00 >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE A LOOK AT

11:17:03 DAYS OF THE WEEK.

11:17:04 NOT EVERYTHING IS EQUAL IN DAYS OF THE WEEK, AND THERE ARE

11:17:07 SOME DAYS WHEN COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MORE --

11:17:12 THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE A MORE REASONABLE TOLERANCE FOR

11:17:15 HIGHER NOISE AND OTHER TIMES WHEN COMMUNITIES DON'T WANT TO

11:17:19 COME ON, FEEL THE NOISE.

11:17:21 I THINK THAT'S FINE WITH ME.




11:17:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MYSELF LIKE PEACE AND QUIET SEVEN DAYS

11:17:26 OF THE WEEK.

11:17:26 [ LAUGHTER ]

11:17:26 BUT I CAN SUPPORT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE

11:17:31 SAYING.

11:17:31 I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.

11:17:33 ANYBODY ELSE?

11:17:34 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YES, SIR.

11:17:37 UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:17:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS, I JUST HEARD THE COMMENT

11:17:48 FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, COLLEAGUES.

11:17:51 I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU.

11:17:53 I BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S DISTURBING ON A MONDAY IS THE SAME

11:17:57 DISTURBANCE THAT'S ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.

11:17:59 I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN OTHER WAYS OF

11:18:03 DOING THINGS, BUT IF NOISE IS THAT BAD AND NOISE BOTHERS YOU

11:18:06 ON A SATURDAY, IT SHOULD BOTHER YOU ON A MONDAY ALSO.

11:18:11 LOUD NOISE COMES OUT AND YOU'RE SLEEPING, NO MATTER WHAT DAY

11:18:14 OF THE WEEK IT IS, YOUR MIND AND YOUR BODY NEEDS REST.

11:18:18 IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT SHOULD BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE

11:18:21 WEEK.

11:18:21 TO CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE,

11:18:27 NOT THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING THE

11:18:30 DECISION, WHETHER IT'S AGAINST THE LAW OR NOT, BUT THOSE

11:18:33 THAT ARE VIOLATING THE LAW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE




11:18:36 WEEK, WHAT DECIBELS ARE OR NOT.

11:18:38 WHEN YOU HAVE SPEED LIMITS AND THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CITY, IT

11:18:42 DOESN'T CHANGE FROM MONDAY TO SUNDAY.

11:18:44 I'M NOT TRYING TO USE IT AS AN EXCUSE, BUT AS A REASON, WHEN

11:18:47 YOU HAVE CERTAIN SPEED LIMITS, WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS

11:18:50 THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE STOPLIGHTS, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, YOU HAVE TO

11:18:56 STOP, SAME EVERY DAY.

11:18:57 THE PUBLIC ALREADY HAS A LOT OF THINGS ON THEIR MIND.

11:19:01 WE'RE LIVING IN AN EXTREMELY FAST WORLD.

11:19:03 TO START CHANGING DAYS OF THE MONTH OR THE WEEK, VIOLATION

11:19:06 OF DECIBELS, I THINK WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST PUBLIC

11:19:10 INTEREST.

11:19:10 THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.

11:19:12 THANK YOU.

11:19:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:19:12 IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, IS THERE A MOTION --

11:19:18 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO RECALL YOUR

11:19:21 ATTENTION TO THE SLIDE PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION FOR

11:19:25 ITEM NUMBER 2.

11:19:26 THE DATA THAT TPD HAS SHOWS THAT THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT

11:19:32 COMPLIANCE ISSUE BETWEEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

11:19:36 IT'S REALLY SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS THAT IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.

11:19:41 THERE'S CURRENTLY NO BREAKDOWN IN THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, AND

11:19:43 THAT'S WITH IT BEING JUST A BLANKET MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM

11:19:47 DECIBEL LEVELS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, THAT 85 TO 65 RANGE,




11:19:53 AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT THERE IS COMPLIANCE DURING THOSE

11:19:56 DAYS OF THE WEEK.

11:19:57 SO, AGAIN, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT PREDICTABLE AND

11:20:01 UNDERSTANDABLE ENFORCEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THE

11:20:06 CITIZENS, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NOT LACK OF COMPLIANCE DURING

11:20:11 THE WEEK AND ONLY ON THE WEEKENDS AND WITHOUT INSERTING

11:20:16 ADDITIONAL LAYERS AND ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THE ENFORCEMENT

11:20:22 PERSONNEL AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

11:20:24 JUST SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

11:20:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:20:30 >>ABBYE FEELEY: ECHO ON WHAT SUSAN IS SAYING.

11:20:32 RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A UNIFIED STANDARD FOR THE OUTDOOR

11:20:35 AMPLIFIED SOUND.

11:20:37 WE DID START WITH THE SUGGESTION OF MIDNIGHT.

11:20:41 THAT WAY YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.

11:20:43 SOMEBODY PULLS UP AND IT'S 12:15 AND THERE'S OUTDOOR SOUND

11:20:48 HAPPENING, YOU CAN HEAR IT.

11:20:49 THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT PLAYING A GUITAR, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT,

11:20:56 OH, WHAT DAY IS IT?

11:20:57 OH, IT'S THURSDAY, THEY CAN STAY UNTIL 11 AND ON FRIDAY THEY

11:21:01 CAN STAY TILL MIDNIGHT.

11:21:03 I'LL DEFER TO THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, BUT WE WOULD SUGGEST

11:21:08 STARTING HERE.

11:21:09 ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS ONCE WE PUT THIS INTO EFFECT

11:21:11 TO BE MONITORING AND TO COME BACK TO YOU ON A BIANNUAL BASIS




11:21:14 TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW ARE WE DOING, WHAT ARE

11:21:18 THE CITATIONS AND ARE WE SEEING IMPROVEMENT?

11:21:22 IF WE ARE OR AREN'T, WE CAN MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

11:21:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.

11:21:27 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:21:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

11:21:30 ABBYE AND SUSAN, GENERALLY I FAVOR WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION

11:21:35 IS AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, CITYWIDE

11:21:37 STANDARD, I THINK IT'S A GOOD DIRECTION.

11:21:39 MY QUESTION PROBABLY -- WELL, TO BOTH OF YOU, BUT

11:21:43 SPECIFICALLY SUSAN, AS RELATED TO LEGAL, IS WHAT IF A BAR OR

11:21:50 A RESTAURANT HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED CERTAIN STATUS AS --

11:21:55 ON THE WET ZONING, LET'S SAY WE PUT ON THEIR ORDER THAT THEY

11:22:02 COULD HAVE MUSIC OUTDOORS UNTIL 1 A.M., AND THAT'S ALREADY

11:22:06 PART OF THEIR WET ZONING, AND THEN WE APPLY AND THEN WE

11:22:11 ADOPT A CITYWIDE STANDARD THAT SAYS NO OUTDOOR MUSIC AFTER

11:22:15 MIDNIGHT.

11:22:16 WHAT'S THE LEGAL EFFECT OF THAT AS RELATED TO THAT BAR THAT

11:22:20 ALREADY GOT A LONGER OR A LATER STANDARD FOR THEIR OUTDOOR

11:22:27 AMPLIFIED MUSIC?

11:22:32 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THIS --

11:22:36 TYPICALLY WHAT WE FIND WITH THE SITE PLANS FOR YOUR AB

11:22:40 PERMITS, COUNCIL TYPICALLY PROHIBITS OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND

11:22:44 ALTOGETHER, RATHER THAN SETTING SPECIFIC PARAMETERS IN TERMS

11:22:47 OF TIMEFRAMES.




11:22:49 YOU TYPICALLY PROHIBIT IT ALTOGETHER.

11:22:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE --

11:22:58 >>ABBYE FEELEY: OUR DESIRE IS TO GET SOME DIRECTION TODAY TO

11:23:02 BE ABLE TO HOLD A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION IN JUNE AND

11:23:06 THEN TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THIS IN A FORMAT WITH CODE.

11:23:13 SO WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THOSE ABs IN THE INTERIM

11:23:18 AND SEE HOW MANY HAVE SOMETHING BEYOND MIDNIGHT.

11:23:21 I DO AGREE WITH SUSAN, IT'S TYPICALLY THAT IT'S PROHIBITED.

11:23:25 SO IT WOULD BE THE REVERSE SITUATION, AND I BELIEVE THAT

11:23:29 THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM THEN TO HAVE IT TILL MIDNIGHT.

11:23:38 EVEN THOUGH ON THE AB IT SAID IT WAS PROHIBITED.

11:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S FAIR.

11:23:42 JUST AS LONG AS WE LOOK AT THE ISSUE AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW

11:23:45 WHAT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATION IS IF THE AB PERMIT DIFFERS FROM

11:23:49 WHAT THE OVERALL STANDARD IS.

11:23:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

11:23:56 >>BILL CARLSON: I RAN INTO MR. DANIELS ON THE WAY IN.

11:24:00 HE OBVIOUSLY IS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE HE'S BEEN COMING INTO

11:24:03 CITY COUNCIL APPARENTLY FOR YEARS, FOR AT LEAST THE LAST

11:24:07 YEAR THAT I'VE SEEN HIM.

11:24:08 AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE

11:24:11 DEMANDING THAT WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

11:24:12 I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR COMING UP WITH

11:24:16 THE ACTIONABLE ITEMS.

11:24:18 WE GET ACCUSED SOMETIMES FOR HAVING THINGS DRAG OUT FOREVER.




11:24:22 I'D LIKE THE PROPOSALS THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS GOTTEN.

11:24:25 THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH THEM.

11:24:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.

11:24:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY: ONE OTHER RESPONSE I DID WANT TO ADD WHILE

11:24:36 WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

11:24:37 LaCHONE DID LOOK FOR SOME OF THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS TO

11:24:41 ANSWER COUNCILMAN CITRO'S QUESTION OF WHAT IS 85?

11:24:45 WHAT IS 75?

11:24:46 WHAT IS 65?

11:24:49 SO 85 IS ROUGHLY THE EQUIVALENT OF A PASSING VEHICLE TRUCK.

11:24:54 75 IS A TOILET FLUSHING.

11:24:57 AND 60 IS LIKE CONVERSATIONAL SPEECH OR AIR CONDITIONING.

11:25:04 SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THOSE PARAMETERS AND COUNCIL PUT

11:25:08 IT INTO REGULAR TERMS SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. THAT'S A

11:25:11 START FOR YOU.

11:25:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. THEN I AM GOING TO

11:25:25 HAVE A FIELD DAY AT MY CONDOMINIUM WITH PEOPLE TALKING

11:25:29 OUTSIDE.

11:25:33 AS TO MRS. JOHNSON-VELEZ, AGAIN I DO GET CALLS.

11:25:39 BUT THE CITY IS EXPANDING AND GROWING AND THERE IS GOING TO

11:25:42 BE ZONING CHANGES AND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

11:25:45 PUT UP IN CERTAIN AREAS.

11:25:47 I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT BLOCK OFF OF THESE PLACES, OR THE

11:25:52 TWO BLOCKS, WHERE AMPLIFIED -- ANY TYPE OF MUSIC IS GOING TO

11:25:58 BE HEARD, OR AS MS. FEELEY AND I WERE DISCUSSING, IT'S NOT




11:26:03 NECESSARILY AMPLIFIED MUSIC.

11:26:04 IF YOU HAVE 200 PEOPLE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, THAT'S GOING

11:26:08 TO BE A LOUD NOISE.

11:26:11 THE AREAS THAT MRS. JOHNSON-VELEZ WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE

11:26:17 HOWARD AVENUE, THE SOHO DISTRICT.

11:26:19 WE HAVE SEEN THAT GET OUT OF CONTROL.

11:26:21 AND I GET PEOPLE CALLING ME UP FROM ALL THE WAY FROM

11:26:25 BAYSHORE ALL THE WAY UP PAST KENNEDY.

11:26:30 NOW PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO TALK.

11:26:32 FLORIDA AVENUE, THE HEIGHTS.

11:26:33 I CAN'T LEAVE OUT TAMPA HEIGHTS.

11:26:36 I CAN'T LEAVE OUT SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

11:26:38 YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE

11:26:41 TO LOOK AT.

11:26:42 AND NOW THERE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CALLING AND SAYING,

11:26:45 HEY, ARMATURE WORKS IS TOO LOUD AT NIGHT.

11:26:48 SO WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE

11:26:52 CITY IN WHICH WE NOW HAVE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE

11:26:56 CHANGING.

11:26:56 SO I AM JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.

11:27:01 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO.

11:27:05 I WILL REMIND YOU THAT ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY OUTSIDE

11:27:08 OF YBOR CITY AND THE REASON DISTRICT AS THEY ARE DEFINED IN

11:27:13 THE CODE ARE STILL SUBJECT TO PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARDS.

11:27:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: QUO WE LIKE LEGAL TO PROCEED WITH THIS?




11:27:31 I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT IT WAS SET TODAY.

11:27:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AGREE.

11:27:38 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE DO HAVE A FEW MORE

11:27:40 RECOMMENDATIONS.

11:27:40 >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF THERE IS RECOMMENDATION ONE, IT IS THAT

11:27:50 WE SHALL PROCEED WITH PREPARING THAT.

11:27:52 I WOULD LIKE TO GET A FEEL FROM THE COUNCIL ON THAT.

11:27:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET A MOTION ON RECOMMENDATION

11:27:58 ONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS PRESENTED? WE HAVE A MOTION

11:28:00 BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.

11:28:02 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:28:03 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:28:05 DO WE NEED A DATE TO COME BACK?

11:28:07 >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE WILL DISCUSS THE DATES AT THE END.

11:28:14 WE DO HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK

11:28:16 ON YOUR AGENDA.

11:28:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

11:28:18 LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE THEN.

11:28:19 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION RELATES TO

11:28:28 THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

11:28:30 SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE TERMS THAT'S REFERENCED, WE HAVE

11:28:34 OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND, AS ABBEY SAID, REFERENCED IN

11:28:38 CHAPTER 27, BUT THERE'S NO UNIVERSAL DEFINITION CURRENTLY

11:28:41 ANYWHERE IN THE CODE.

11:28:44 SO WE WOULD PROPOSE ADDING DEFINITIONS REGARDING AMPLIFIED




11:28:47 SOUNDS SO THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS AND COMMON UNDERSTANDING

11:28:51 ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL MEANS WHEN THEY USE THAT TERM, AND WHAT

11:28:57 THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT TERM TO MEAN.

11:28:58 SO YOU WILL SEE WE PROPOSED TO ADD AMPLIFIED SOUND --

11:29:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN WE GET THE TECHNICIAN TO PUT THE

11:29:12 RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SCREEN?

11:29:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

11:29:17 SCANNING THIS THING, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL

11:29:19 DEPARTMENT, MS. VELEZ, FOR COMING OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S

11:29:23 LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.

11:29:25 I THINK THE ONE THAT WE HAD, IT'S TOO WITH VAGUE, AND REALLY

11:29:34 GET TO THE POINT OF EXCEPTIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT TO MAKE

11:29:41 SURE IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE WHICH MRS. VELEZ IS DOING.

11:29:46 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, SIR.

11:29:47 I WOULD ALSO CREDIT MS. FEELEY AND HER STAFF WHO WERE

11:29:52 INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING TO DEVELOP THESE.

11:29:57 AND COMING UP WITH THE BEST DEFINITION.

11:29:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.

11:30:05 WE CAN'T SEE IT, THE PRESENTATION.

11:30:10 IN THE BIG PART OF THE SCREEN.

11:30:11 THAT ONE, YES.

11:30:12 THANK YOU.

11:30:13 PERFECT.

11:30:13 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

11:30:14 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO AMPLIFIED SOUND THEN, WE HAVE




11:30:19 DEFINED IN TERMS OF A SOUND THAT'S BEING AUGMENTED OR

11:30:22 AMPLIFIED THROUGH SOME SORT OF SOUND AMPLIFICATION DEVICE,

11:30:27 AND THEN WE PROPOSE ADDING A DEFINITION FOR SOUND

11:30:30 AMPLIFICATION DEVICE THAT INCLUDES IN THIS LAUNDRY LIST THAT

11:30:35 YOU SEE HERE AND INCLUDES THINGS THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY

11:30:38 THINK OF RADIOS, TVs, MICROPHONES, BUT ALSO TELEVISION

11:30:43 SETS, BECAUSE I KNOW JUST IN SITTING WITH COUNCIL, AND YOU

11:30:47 CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR AB PERMITS AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN

11:30:50 OUTDOOR PATIO AREA AND THEY WONDER IF A TELEVISION SET IS AN

11:30:55 AMPLIFICATION DEVICE SO WE ADDED THAT TO THE LAUNDRY LIST,

11:30:59 ANY AMPLIFIED EQUIPMENT OR SPEAKER.

11:31:01 SO AGAIN THIS MAKES IT VERY UNDERSTANDABLE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE

11:31:06 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND REVIEW, COUNCIL, WHAT IS MEANT BY A

11:31:10 DEVICE AND WHAT IS MEANT BY AMPLIFIED SOUND.

11:31:13 AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR THAT

11:31:16 SOUND LEVEL METER, THE DEFINITION METER THAT WE ARE USING IN

11:31:21 THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS SO AGAIN THERE IS A COMMON

11:31:23 UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPE OF INSTRUMENT WE ARE USING AS

11:31:25 WELL, AND YOU WILL SEE WE DID TIE IT TO THE AMERICAN

11:31:27 NATIONAL STANDARDS INSTITUTES SPECIFICATIONS SO THAT WE

11:31:32 BELIEVE THAT WILL ALSO AID IN ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

11:31:35 AND THEN WE JUST HAVE A FEW EXAMPLES OF DEFINITIONS THAT WE

11:31:40 WOULD PROPOSE TO MODIFY.

11:31:41 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

11:31:46 AND AGAIN, THESE PROPOSALS FOR MODIFICATION ARE A RESULT OF




11:31:52 OUR REVIEW OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND HOW THEY HAVE DEFINED

11:31:55 THESE TERMS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER,

11:32:00 MORE UNDERSTANDABLE THAN THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY

11:32:03 IN THE CODE.

11:32:04 SO THESE THREE TERMS ARE CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE CODE, BUT

11:32:08 WE HAVE PROPOSED CHANGING THEM AS SHOWN HERE, SO THE

11:32:11 LANGUAGE THAT'S SHOWN THERE WITH THE LINE THROUGH IT IS

11:32:13 PROPOSED TO BE STRICKEN AND THEN THE UNDERLINED LANGUAGE

11:32:16 WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THOSE DEFINITIONS.

11:32:19 AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE.

11:32:22 AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT WE PROPOSE TO MODIFY WHEN WE DO

11:32:25 COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ORDINANCE, AND THAT AGAIN WOULD BE

11:32:28 BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, BEST PRACTICES, AND OTHER AREAS AND

11:32:33 OTHER CITIES, AND WOO WE THINK MIGHT BE BEST APPLICABLE IN

11:32:37 AID AND ENFORCEMENT WITHIN OUR CITY.

11:32:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

11:32:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOVE RECOMMENDATION 2.

11:32:45 >>BILL CARLSON: I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THESE

11:32:49 MUFFLERS THAT ARE EITHER TAKEN OFF OR AMPLIFIED, AND I THINK

11:32:52 I REMEMBER THERE'S SOME KIND OF DEVICE THAT CAN AMPLIFY CAR

11:32:58 SOUNDS, MUFFLER SOUNDS.

11:33:01 CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A SEPARATE STATE LAW THAT WAS

11:33:05 REFERENCED EARLIER ABOUT MUFFLERS, IS IT NECESSARY TO

11:33:10 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS ANY KIND OF AMPLIFICATION DEVICE THAT

11:33:14 WOULD BE USED ON CARS THAT WOULDN'T BE CONNECTED TO THE




11:33:19 RADIO?

11:33:19 >> SIMONE SAVINO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

11:33:25 WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE IT.

11:33:28 I WILL REMIND COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC FLORIDA

11:33:31 STATUTES THAT DO REGULATE THAT AS IT STANDS, AND I KNOW THAT

11:33:34 THEY ARE CURRENTLY ENFORCED BY TPD.

11:33:36 BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP YOUR RECOMMENDATION UNDER

11:33:39 ADVISEMENT.

11:33:40 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.

11:33:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:33:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, I HAVE BEEN DOWN AT YBOR AND

11:33:46 I KNOW MOTORCYCLES ARE AN ISSUE AS WELL.

11:33:49 AND I KNOW IMPROPER START.

11:33:56 THAT'S AN ISSUE WHERE THEY ARE HOLDING THE GAS AND JERKING

11:34:03 OFF WITH THAT LOUD NOISE, VEHICLES AS WELL.

11:34:06 SO JUST WANTED, IMPROPER STARTS ARE ALSO A PART OF IT SO

11:34:10 LEGAL CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

11:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND JUST TO CLARIFY THINGS BEFORE I START

11:34:17 GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM MY FELLOW ROUGH RIDERS, CERTAIN

11:34:20 PARADES WILL BE EXEMPT, WON'T THEY?

11:34:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

11:34:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A WONDERFUL GASPARILLA

11:34:33 PARADE, KNIGHT PARADE, SAINT PADDY'S PARADE, IF WE CANNOT

11:34:39 HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR SPEAKER TALK.

11:34:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OR CANNON BLASTS.




11:34:46 >> I AM BEING FACETIOUS, OF COURSE.

11:34:49 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SPECIAL EVENTS ARE...

11:34:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.

11:34:58 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THOSE THAT HELD AND CONDUCTED PRIOR TO

11:35:07 MIDNIGHT, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

11:35:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD A MOTION.

11:35:12 GO AHEAD.

11:35:12 >>BILL CARLSON: MY SECOND COMMENT.

11:35:15 ONE OTHER THING.

11:35:16 YOU ALL MENTIONED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EARLIER THAT YOU WOULD

11:35:19 TAKE THESE AND GIVE TO THE PUBLIC, AND I ASSUME THAT TWO OF

11:35:22 THE MAIN AUDIENCES ARE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO CAN BRING

11:35:25 TOGETHER THEIR CONSTITUENTS, AND THEN PROBABLY ALSO YOU

11:35:28 WOULD BE TALKING TO BAR OWNERS OR OTHER OWNERS OF THE

11:35:31 FACILITY.

11:35:32 A THIRD AUDIENCE IS PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO TO THESE

11:35:35 ESTABLISHMENTS AND HAVING SEEN OTHER CITIES AND COUNTRIES

11:35:40 STRENGTHEN POLICIES LIKE THIS, WE COULD EASILY GET

11:35:43 CRITICIZED FOR NOT BEING OPEN TO ALLOWING YOUNG PEOPLE TO

11:35:49 HAVE FUN.

11:35:50 AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO TALK TO

11:35:54 THAT GROUP AND ADDRESS THEM, AND SOME EASY WAYS TO DO THAT

11:35:59 WOULD BE GOING TO EMERGING LEADERS AT TAMPA CHAMBER AND

11:36:02 MAYBE YOUNG DEMOCRATS, YOUNG REPUBLICANS, AND THERE MAY BE

11:36:05 OTHERS.




11:36:06 BUT JUST SO SOME OF THE THOUGHT LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY WHO

11:36:09 ARE IN THEIR 20s WOULD KNOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO LIMIT

11:36:12 THEIR ABILITY TO ENJOY THEMSELVES, IT'S JUST GOING TO

11:36:15 PROTECT THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THEM AND PEOPLE TRAVELLING

11:36:19 THROUGH THE SOUND.

11:36:21 THANK YOU.

11:36:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:36:23 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD A MOTION.

11:36:25 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

11:36:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND.

11:36:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MOVE

11:36:31 FORWARD.

11:36:31 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:36:33 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:36:34 ANY OPPOSED?

11:36:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:36:36 WE GO TO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 3.

11:36:37 >>ABBYE FEELEY: RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 3, AND YOU HAVE

11:36:42 MENTIONED THIS NOW A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES, AND DID A

11:36:47 WONDERFUL JOB TO THE SECTION 14-153 AND 154, AND HOW 153 IN

11:36:57 THE AREA, YBOR, AND -- OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT

11:37:11 SPECIFICALLY CALL THEM OUT ANY LONGER BUT THEY WOULD THEN

11:37:13 BE -- 154 WHICH WOULD BE A PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD.

11:37:19 THAT MEANS THEY WOULD HAVE UNTIL MIDNIGHT, THE OUTDOOR

11:37:23 AMPLIFIED SOUND, AND THEN ANY PLAINLY AUDIBLE WOULD THEN BE




11:37:29 ENFORCEABLE MECHANISM FOR THAT AREA.

11:37:33 WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE TRANSFORMATION OF CHANNELSIDE IS

11:37:36 THE PROPORTION OF -- HAS EMERGED AS A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL

11:37:42 AREA THAT NO LONGER KIND OF FALLS INTO THAT 153 REALM

11:37:48 ANYMORE, SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AHEAD AND USE THAT

11:37:52 OUT OF THOSE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.

11:37:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE]

11:38:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

11:38:09 MS. FEELEY, AGAIN I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA IN THE RIGHT

11:38:14 DIRECTION.

11:38:15 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO YET, BUT BEFORE YOU

11:38:18 COME BACK TO US NEXT TIME, I'M CONFIDENT YOU WILL MEET WITH

11:38:22 THE CHANNELSIDE.

11:38:23 I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS FROM

11:38:25 CHANNELSIDE, THE CAC, AND THEN SOME OTHER CHANNELSIDE GROUP

11:38:31 SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY LIKE THAT DIRECTION THAT WE ARE

11:38:35 HEADED.

11:38:35 I IMAGINE THEY PROBABLY WILL.

11:38:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND

11:38:39 FROM CARLSON.

11:38:40 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:38:41 ANY OPPOSED?

11:38:42 ALL RIGHT.

11:38:43 RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 4.

11:38:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY: RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 4 --




11:38:56 >> SIMONE SAVINO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

11:38:59 AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, A SECTION

11:39:04 14.159 GUIDES ENFORCEMENT CURRENTLY FOR OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.

11:39:09 AND IT PROVIDES FOR A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING BEFORE ANY

11:39:12 ENFORCEMENT IS UNDERTAKEN UNDER SECTION 14-153 AND SECTION

11:39:17 14-154.

11:39:20 WHAT THIS MEANS SPECIFICALLY IS THAT ANYONE WHO IS VIOLATING

11:39:25 THE NOISE ORDINANCE, IN THOSE AREAS, COULD BE WARNED, THAT A

11:39:31 CIVIL CITATION WILL BE ISSUED IF THEY FAIL TO BRING

11:39:34 THEMSELVES INTO COMPLIANCE WITHIN FIVE MINUTES AND FAIL TO

11:39:38 REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE FOR 48 HOURS.

11:39:40 SO ESSENTIALLY THIS FIVE-MINUTE WARNING IS CURRENTLY IN

11:39:44 PLACE TO ALLOW PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY, BUT IT LASTS

11:39:48 FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, IT PROHIBITS ENFORCEMENT AT PRESENT,

11:39:52 BECAUSE AFTER THAT 48-HOUR PERIOD, LIKELY AN ESTABLISHMENT

11:39:56 HAS NOT BEEN CITED FOR AN ACTUAL SOUND VIOLATION.

11:40:01 SO THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE

11:40:05 THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING THAT IS A PART OF SECTION 14-153 AND

11:40:10 154, AND THEREFORE THE RESULT WOULD BE THAT BUSINESS

11:40:16 ESTABLISHMENT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE STANDARD SET FORTH, A

11:40:18 VIOLATION MAY BE ISSUED WITHOUT THAT WARNING.

11:40:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

11:40:25 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

11:40:28 PRETTY CUT AND DRIED AS WELL.

11:40:30 MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS RECOMMENDATION?




11:40:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO MOVED.

11:40:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.

11:40:36 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

11:40:38 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:40:39 ANY OPPOSED?

11:40:40 ALL RIGHT.

11:40:41 AND RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 5.

11:40:43 >>ABBYE FEELEY: RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 5, WE WOULD LIKE TO

11:40:51 PROCEED WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE ORDINANCE INCORPORATING

11:40:55 THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU REVIEWED AND GAVE US YOUR

11:41:00 DIRECTION ON THIS MORNING.

11:41:03 IN ADDITION TO THAT, YES, WE WOULD BE HOLDING PUBLIC

11:41:08 INFORMATION SESSIONS.

11:41:10 WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THOSE.

11:41:11 LACHONE IS GOING TO BE SETTING THOSE UP AND NOTICE TO BE

11:41:17 GOING OUT IN OUR WEBSITE.

11:41:20 WE LOOK TO DO THOSE IN JUNE AND/OR JULY DEPENDING ON THE

11:41:26 NUMBER.

11:41:28 I DID WRITE DOWN THE SUGGESTIONS WE COVERED THIS MORNING.

11:41:32 AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME BACK TO YOU IN

11:41:36 AUGUST WITH THOSE ORDINANCES, READY TO GO, WITH INFORMATION

11:41:42 SESSIONS HAVING BEEN CONDUCTED, AND THEN ALSO ONE ITEM, IF

11:41:48 YOU DO COME BACK IN AUGUST, THE QUESTION THEN WOULD BE WHAT

11:41:50 WOULD BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT?

11:41:53 I THINK WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT AS WELL IN THE ORDINANCE.




11:41:59 AND THEN THE LAST WOULD BE MONITORING, AS WE DISCUSSED THIS

11:42:05 MORNING, AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 1 OR JANUARY 1.

11:42:09 WE WOULD START MONITORING, REPORTING BACK TO YOU, THOSE

11:42:16 NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE THIS MORNING, THE CITATIONS, AND ALSO

11:42:18 THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

11:42:19 WE WOULD BE COME BACK TO YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT THE PROGRESS

11:42:23 OF THESE NEW REGULATIONS WOULD BE HAVING, OR IF THEY ARE NOT

11:42:27 MAKING ANY IMPACT AT ALL, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT BOTH SIDE OF THE

11:42:32 EQUATION.

11:42:34 AND THEN LASTLY WOULD BE IN THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS OF

11:42:39 MONITORING, WHETHER THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT IN LOOKING AT

11:42:43 INCORPORATING SOME OF THE AREAS COUNCILMAN CITRO DISCUSSED

11:42:48 THIS MORNING, WHICH IS THE HOWARD AVENUE, FLORIDA AVENUE,

11:42:53 AND THOSE ARE INCUMBENT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS MIXED

11:42:58 USE CORRIDORS, AND ALSO URBAN VILLAGES.

11:43:01 BUT AS SUSAN MENTIONED, MANY OF THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE

11:43:06 CURRENTLY CALLED OUT UNDER THOSE ENTERTAINMENT, THEY DO HAVE

11:43:12 CLEAR BOUNDARIES AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS THAT TRAVEL WITH

11:43:14 THEM.

11:43:15 AND I THINK ONE OF OUR MAIN OBJECTIVES TODAY WAS TO START

11:43:19 WITH STANDARDS THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND PREDICTABLE, NOW

11:43:23 IT WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU PULL UP AND YOU HEAR IT.

11:43:29 SO THAT SECOND LEVEL WOULD BE TO THEN LOOK AT THOSE OTHER

11:43:33 AREAS AND TO START WITH IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS

11:43:38 THAT WERE PUT BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING.




11:43:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I BELIEVE YOU

11:43:42 HAD YOUR HAND UP, SIR.

11:43:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:43:44 I LIKE THE DIRECTION WE ARE GOING.

11:43:46 I APPRECIATE IT, ABBEY AND SUSAN.

11:43:49 THE QUESTION HAS COME UP -- AND I THINK IT WAS RELATED TO

11:43:53 ONE PART OF THIS MOTION -- WAS THAT CURRENTLY WHEN SOMEBODY

11:43:57 COMES IN FOR AN AB PERMIT, IF WE WANT TO IMPOSE HOURS OF

11:44:05 OPERATION OR LIMITATION ON AMPLIFIED SOUND, ET CETERA, WE

11:44:12 HAVE TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION.

11:44:14 SO THE BURDEN IS SORT OF ON COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT HEADS-UP.

11:44:19 AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS TO

11:44:23 SAY WHY IS THAT BURDEN LIKE THAT ON COUNCIL?

11:44:28 IN MY OPINION PERHAPS THE BURDEN SHOULD BE FLIPPED, AND I

11:44:31 THINK MAYBE IT USED TO BE FLIPPED, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A

11:44:35 STANDARD, AND LOOKS LIKE ON NOISE, WE DO HAVE A STANDARD,

11:44:39 BUT I THINK ON HOURS OF OPERATION, WE SHOULD HAVE A STANDARD

11:44:43 LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO GET, OURS OF OPERATION

11:44:48 FOR A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, WEEKDAYS, 11:00, WEEKENDS, YOU

11:44:53 KNOW, 12 OR 1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS A STANDARD.

11:44:58 AND THEN IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DIVERGE FROM THAT

11:45:04 STANDARD, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT AS A WAIVER

11:45:09 AND REQUEST THAT AS A WAIVER, SO THE DEFAULT POSITION WOULD

11:45:13 BE A CERTAIN STANDARD THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO ALL AB

11:45:20 PERMITS THAT COME IN.




11:45:22 AND --

11:45:26 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACED IN

11:45:28 LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE REALLY

11:45:35 CONDITIONS THAT ARE PART OF LIMITING IMPACT OF THE BUSINESS,

11:45:39 SUCH AS NOISE.

11:45:41 SO WE CAME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION TODAY TO START LOOKING

11:45:47 AT THIS CITY-WIDE VERSUS LOOKING AT IT ON AN OPERATION BY

11:45:51 OPERATION BASIS.

11:45:52 SO EVEN IF WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE COMING IN FOR

11:45:57 PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOL, WE ARE NOT CAPTURING THOSE THAT

11:46:00 DO NOT SELL ALCOHOL.

11:46:02 SO McDONALD'S, CHICK FIL-A, IF THEY HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED

11:46:07 SOUND, AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHEN IT'S LOCATED NEXT TO A HOUSE,

11:46:11 THE IMPACT IS THE SAME AND THERE'S NO CONTROL BECAUSE THEY

11:46:14 ARE NEVER COMING IN FOR AN ALCOHOL APPLICATION.

11:46:17 SO WE STARTED TODAY AT THE FIRST LEVEL.

11:46:21 WE CAN LOOK AT HOURS OF OPERATION WHICH ARE NOT FOR EVERY

11:46:24 APPLICATION.

11:46:25 THEY ARE ONLY FOR SOME OF THEM.

11:46:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.

11:46:28 >>ABBYE FEELEY: AND THEN THE DISTANCE SEPARATION IS ANOTHER

11:46:31 CRITERIA, BUT AGAIN IT APPEARS THE DISTANCE SEPARATION IS

11:46:35 REALLY PUT IN TO TRY TO LIMIT IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT

11:46:39 PREDOMINANTLY NOISE.

11:46:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND I THINK LIKE I SAID AT THE




11:46:43 BEGINNING, I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB ON THE NOISE

11:46:45 ISSUE.

11:46:46 BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE AB PERMITS.

11:46:50 AND I AM NOT -- YOU KNOW, SO SOMEBODY HAS, RIGHT NOW, ANY

11:46:57 ESTABLISHMENT THAT COMES IN WITHIN THE URBAN VILLAGES, FOR

11:47:00 SOME REASON, AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST X NUMBER OF YEARS, WE

11:47:04 HAVE ELIMINATED THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL.

11:47:07 SO YOU COULD HAVE A -- IN THE URBAN VILLAGE YOU COULD HAVE A

11:47:12 RESTAURANT THAT COMES IN FOR AB PERMIT, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT

11:47:18 TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.

11:47:20 WITHOUT ANY DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT.

11:47:23 I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT CAME IN.

11:47:26 I HAVE A FEELING IT WAS PROBABLY IN THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT

11:47:29 YEARS BECAUSE I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT PREVIOUSLY.

11:47:31 BUT I THINK THAT AGAIN, I THINK IT CREATES BAD SITUATIONS

11:47:37 RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.

11:47:39 FOR SOME REASON, I MEAN, AND I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD CREATE

11:47:43 AN EXCEPTION FOR YBOR CITY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT

11:47:49 DISTRICT, BUT I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE WE CALL SOMETHING

11:47:53 AN URBAN VILLAGE, AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE HAVE SEEN THIS ON

11:47:56 MANY OCCASIONS, ALL OF HE'S A EAST TAMPA IS AN URBAN

11:48:00 VILLAGE, OKAY.

11:48:01 AND THEREFORE ARE WE SORT OF SAYING THAT WE WANT TO

11:48:04 ENCOURAGE RESTAURANTS RIGHT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO

11:48:08 RESIDENTIAL HOMES, IN ALL OF THESE URBAN VILLAGES, DAVIS




11:48:13 ISLAND, WEST TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, ET CETERA?

11:48:17 SO THAT CONCERNS ME GREATLY, AS SOMEHOW OR OOH OTHER WE HAVE

11:48:23 DRIFTED INTO THIS ELIMINATION OF A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT

11:48:26 FROM RESIDENTIAL IN THOSE URBAN VILLAGES.

11:48:29 AND THEN SECONDARILY, I DO BELIEVE IN TERMS OF JUST OVERALL

11:48:34 HOURS OF OPERATION, NOT NOISE, I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD

11:48:38 JOB ON NOISE, BUT OVERALL HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WE SHOULD

11:48:42 HAVE A STANDARD FOR ANYBODY WHO IS COMING IN WITH AN AB

11:48:46 PERMIT, WE SHOULD HAVE A STANDARD AND SAY THESE ARE THE

11:48:51 HOURS OF OPERATION.

11:48:52 IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOUR BUSINESS OPERATES

11:48:57 OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS, THEN YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE WAIVER.

11:49:04 AGAIN, WORKSHOP IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BANG THIS AROUND.

11:49:08 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

11:49:12 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THERE ARE CURRENTLY HOURS OF

11:49:15 OPERATION THAT ARE STABBED IN CHAPTER 14.

11:49:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THEY ARE 3 IN THE MORNING.

11:49:24 I MEAN, I HEAR YOU, SUSAN.

11:49:26 IT'S 3 IN THE MORNING.

11:49:27 THAT'S NOT A LIMITATION.

11:49:28 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YOU HAVE TO -- SOMETIME.

11:49:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN AB WORKSHOP COMING

11:49:42 UP, CORRECT?

11:49:43 >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO.

11:49:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.




11:49:50 BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT MR. DINGFELDER IS SAYING.

11:49:55 WHEN I LOOK AT EAST TAMPA, THE LIQUOR STORES RIGHT INSIDE OF

11:49:59 A COMMUNITY.

11:49:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND RESTAURANTS.

11:50:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LIQUOR STORES, THEY BRING UP BLIGHT, YOU

11:50:08 CAN'T FIND THEM.

11:50:09 AND I DRIVE AROUND THE CITY, AND I DON'T SEE THEM IN ANYBODY

11:50:12 ELSE'S COMMUNITY, BUT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

11:50:14 AND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.

11:50:18 LIKE I SAY, AS A POLICEMAN, I GO TO WORK FIVE IN THE

11:50:21 MORNING, FOLKS BE STANDING AROUND WAITING FOR I CALL IT

11:50:25 THEIR MEDICINE, FOR THEM TO OPEN UP.

11:50:28 THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME HAVING THEY HAVE THESE LIQUOR STORES

11:50:30 RIGHT INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.

11:50:33 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

11:50:38 RIGHT INSIDE OF COMMUNITIES, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

11:50:42 IT'S BEEN FOR YEARS.

11:50:43 AND THAT'S A WAY OF GETTING RID OF SOME OF OUR SLUM AND

11:50:48 BLIGHT BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A LIQUOR STORE, I CAN GO

11:50:52 RIGHT TO 22ND, RIGHT THERE, AND 23rd STREET, AND YOU

11:50:57 HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S KIND OF TURNED INTO A LITTLE -- A LITTLE

11:51:03 PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER WITH LOUD MUSIC AND A LIQUOR

11:51:06 STORE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, AND THE POLICE HAVE A HARD TIME

11:51:09 CONTROLLING THAT AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OPEN LIQUOR STORE,

11:51:13 AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE, PUT A STOP TO THAT.




11:51:22 PUT A STOP TO THAT.

11:51:24 AND WHEN THOSE STORES CLOSE OR GO OUT, THAT'S A DONE DEAL

11:51:29 WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS A PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY.

11:51:31 >>ABBYE FEELEY: COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF I CAN JUST RESPOND, AS

11:51:37 YOU SAW THIS MORNING, THE NOISE -- THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO

11:51:45 TAKE THE FIRST INITIAL CASES AND CHUNK IT OUT A LITTLE BIT

11:51:49 IN CONVERSATION.

11:51:50 SO WE CAN LOOK TO COME BACK AND STILL HAVE THE HOURS OF

11:51:55 OPERATION DISCUSSION.

11:51:56 WE CAN STILL HAVE THAT DISTANCE SEPARATION DISCUSSION.

11:51:59 I JUST WANT TO SAY IN MY TIME AWAY FROM THE CITY, I HAD THE

11:52:03 PLEASURE OF BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH A LOT OF LIQUOR STORES

11:52:09 AND I DID A LOT OF LIQUOR RESEARCH THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF

11:52:11 FLORIDA, AND THERE ARE SOME VERY STRINGENT REGULATIONS FOR

11:52:16 DISTANCE SEPARATION IN RELATION TO LIQUOR STORES, THAT WE

11:52:19 CAN BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES TO YOU AS WELL AS THAT

11:52:24 WORKSHOP DISCUSSION.

11:52:25 THE THING IS, I DO WANT TO TRY TO KEEP SEVERAL OF THESE TEXT

11:52:30 AMENDMENTS MOVING FORWARD FOR YOU ALL, SO I DON'T WANT TO

11:52:33 KEEP INTRODUCING NEW -- WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT

11:52:37 WORKSHOP.

11:52:38 I WOULD ASK FOR A MINIMUM OF 60 TO 90 DAYS TO PREPARE THAT,

11:52:43 BRING IT BACK FOR YOU, AND I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ALL THE

11:52:48 DISCUSSION, BUT I AM TRYING TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON

11:52:53 DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS AND SELECTIVELY WORKING TOWARD A




11:52:57 SOLUTION.

11:52:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK.

11:53:02 THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE

11:53:05 NOW.

11:53:05 THAT'S WHY WE WANT THAT.

11:53:09 WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.

11:53:11 SO TO BRING THAT BACK, THAT WILL BE FINE, BECAUSE THAT'S

11:53:14 SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP SOME

11:53:16 OF THE SLUM AND BLIGHT IN SOME OF THESE MARGINALIZED

11:53:19 COMMUNITIES.

11:53:19 THOSE ARE ISSUES, AND THEY ARE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THESE

11:53:22 COMMUNITIES.

11:53:22 IT JUST BRINGS ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, BRINGS ON ADDICTION,

11:53:26 AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE

11:53:35 IT'S A LOT OF THE ISSUES.

11:53:36 >>BILL CARLSON: IT MAY BE DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT

11:53:39 ANOTHER THING IS, IN ADDITION TO THE SEPARATION

11:53:45 REQUIREMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE A RULE

11:53:50 THAT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS THE CREATION OF BAR DISTRICTS.

11:53:56 I REMEMBER IN THE 80s, BASICALLY IN THE 80s, THERE WERE

11:54:00 TWO OR THREE BARS ALONG HOWARD AVENUE, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW

11:54:05 IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS JOHN AGLY STARTED OPENING RESTAURANTS,

11:54:10 AND HE HAD A VISION TO TURN THESE OFFICES UP AND DOWN HOWARD

11:54:15 INTO RESTAURANTS, AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE BUILT ON HIS

11:54:17 CREATIONS TO CREATE NEW IDEAS AND IT TURNED INTO A




11:54:20 RESTAURANT DISTRICT.

11:54:21 THEN I WAS ON THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD

11:54:24 ASSOCIATION BOARD WHEN THAT DISTRICT CONVERTED FROM SOUTH

11:54:27 HOWARD TO SOHO, AND I OBJECTED TO THAT FOR MANY REASONS.

11:54:31 ONE IS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD COPY LONDON, WE SHOULDN'T

11:54:35 COPY OTHER CITIES, WE SHOULD CREATE OUR OWN.

11:54:38 BUT IT CONVERTED IT TO A BAR DISTRICT INSTEAD OF A

11:54:41 RESTAURANT DISTRICT OR A DISTRICT WITH AMENITIES.

11:54:43 AND BEFORE I BECAME A COUNCILMEMBER I HEARD THOUSANDS OF

11:54:48 COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT AREA.

11:54:49 THERE ARE TWO ISSUES.

11:54:50 ONE, THE CONCENTRATION OF BARS THAT WERE LOUD, AND NUMBER

11:54:52 TWO, RESTAURANTS THAT THEN BECOME BARS.

11:54:55 AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES IN THE PAST,

11:54:59 BUT I WISH WE COULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIMIT THOSE.

11:55:02 IF A RESTAURANT IS OPERATING, HOW DOES IT THEN BECOME A BAR

11:55:06 WITH LOUD NOISE LASTING UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING?

11:55:09 THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE NEAR THERE.

11:55:11 IF YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOUD BAR DISTRICT, IF YOU MOVE

11:55:17 NEXT TO IT, THEN THAT'S YOUR FAULT.

11:55:19 BUT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE BARS ALONG THAT DISTRICT AND THEY

11:55:22 WERE RESTAURANTS, AND THEN THE RESTAURANTS BECAME A BAR

11:55:24 DISTRICT.

11:55:24 AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS INVESTED IN.

11:55:27 IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM TO BE ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.




11:55:29 THANK YOU.

11:55:30 >>LUIS VIERA: AND IF I MAY.

11:55:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.

11:55:33 >>LUIS VIERA: PARDON ME, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:55:35 I HAVE TO GET A COVID SHOT SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET

11:55:40 THERE EARLY IN LINE SO PLEASE PARDON ME.

11:55:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE ALL FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:55:46 MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN ADDRESS THAT, I

11:55:50 APPRECIATE ABBEY, IF YOU CAN, BRING IT BACK IN 90 DAYS.

11:55:54 IT'S NOT ONLY A DISTANCE SEPARATION TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE

11:55:58 BUT ALSO A DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS,

11:56:02 AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU AT LEAST TRY AND LIMIT, YOU

11:56:08 KNOW, THE CREATION OF SORT OF AD HOC CREATION OF THOSE

11:56:11 BUSINESSES, THOSE SORT OF DRINKING DISTRICTS, BECAUSE IT

11:56:16 USED TO BE THAT -- I THINK THERE WAS A 250-FOOT SEPARATION

11:56:21 BETWEEN AB USES.

11:56:22 NOW, SOME PLACES THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

11:56:25 YBOR CITY, YOU KNOW, SIDE BY SIDE ON 7th AVENUE.

11:56:31 BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN -- AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT NORTH

11:56:34 ARMENIA.

11:56:35 ALL OF A SUDDEN ON NORTH ARMENIA YOU HAVE GOT NICE

11:56:38 RESTAURANTS, BUT THEN PRETTY SOON THOSE RESTAURANTS GET

11:56:42 MUSIC, THE RESTAURANTS GET LIQUOR, THOSE RESTAURANTS BECOME

11:56:46 MORE CLUBBY, AND THEN THEY START PROLIFERATING.

11:56:50 AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT IMPACTS ADJACENT TO THEM.




11:56:53 SO AGAIN, DISTANCE SEPARATION, ABBEY, NOT ONLY TO ADJACENT

11:56:59 RESIDENTIAL, BUT TO EACH OTHER.

11:57:02 THANK YOU.

11:57:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, 250, IF WE HAD GONE

11:57:09 BY THAT, HALF THE BARS IN TAMPA WOULD BE CLOSED DOWN.

11:57:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

11:57:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE THERE IS A WAIVER FOR EVERY AB

11:57:20 APPLICANT THAT COMES IN, AND THE FIRST WAIVER IS LESS THAN

11:57:25 250-FOOT SEPARATION.

11:57:27 AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAY, BUT IF WE WOULD START THAT WE WOULD

11:57:32 HAVE TO TURN EVERY OTHER BAR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU HAVE

11:57:36 GOT TO CLOSE DOWN.

11:57:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN'T DO IT AFTER THE FACT, OBVIOUSLY.

11:57:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

11:57:45 BUT, AGAIN, AB SALES, WHENEVER WE HEAR THEM, IT'S CASE BY

11:57:49 CASE BY CASE BY CASE.

11:57:50 IF WE DO A BROAD BRUSH, AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT CLOSING

11:57:58 HALF THE BARS.

11:57:59 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:58:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. FEELEY, WHAT DO YOU NEED?

11:58:03 DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR US TO COME BACK, OR WHEN TO COME

11:58:06 BACK?

11:58:08 JULY?

11:58:09 >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP IN

11:58:12 JUNE AND JULY.




11:58:13 WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS AND WE ARE WORKING

11:58:18 TOWARDS COUNCIL'S' DIRECTION, SET UP A PUBLIC INFORMATION

11:58:22 SESSION, USING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON AND ALL TAMPA CARES,

11:58:27 AND PUBLIC GROUPS THAT WERE MENTIONED TODAY.

11:58:31 SO WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK IN AUGUST.

11:58:33 MAYBE YOUR SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.

11:58:37 UNLESS YOU FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE WORKSHOPPED AGAIN, WE WOULD

11:58:40 COME BACK FOR FIRST READING.

11:58:41 WE WOULD GIVE YOU A REPORT ON THE INFORMATION SESSIONS WE

11:58:45 HELD, AND THEN IF THERE WERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR

11:58:49 ALTERATIONS TO WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO YOU

11:58:52 TODAY, WE WOULD DISCUSS THOSE WITH YOU AT THAT TIME, AND

11:58:57 PREPARE TO GO FORWARD, IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

11:59:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND THAT'S ALSO AUGUST, IN REFERENCE TO

11:59:04 THE LIQUOR STORES INSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL?

11:59:08 >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND SET A

11:59:13 SEPARATE WORKSHOP.

11:59:15 IF JULY WOULD BE AN I COULD WORKSHOP, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

11:59:19 AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE ARE RUNNING ALL OF THESE -- I

11:59:22 WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THOROUGH PROVISIONS SO

11:59:27 THAT YOU COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

11:59:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE DON'T HAVE A WORKSHOP IN JULY.

11:59:33 WE HAVE A WORKSHOP --

11:59:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIR.

11:59:40 AND THAT'S FOR THE DISTANCE SEPARATION?




11:59:42 HOW DO YOU WANT TO WORD THE MOTION?

11:59:45 MAYBE MS. FEELEY CAN HELP IN REGARD TO THE URBAN VILLAGES?

11:59:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY: DISCUSSION ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND

11:59:54 THE DISTANCE SEPARATION FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT.

11:59:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL?

12:00:05 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SURE.

12:00:06 ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, OR -- THAT'S FINE.

12:00:09 WE CAN LOOK AT IT BOTH WAYS FOR YOU.

12:00:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT A MOTION FOR SEPTEMBER

12:00:14 23rd WORKSHOP?

12:00:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WILL BE FINE.

12:00:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 8:30.

12:00:18 MOTION BY GUDES, SECOND BY CITRO.

12:00:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: KEEP IT AS BROAD AS POSSIBLE.

12:00:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE, MS. FEELEY?

12:00:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE OTHER -- I'M

12:00:32 SORRY.

12:00:32 QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE PREVIOUS, OF THE

12:00:35 RECOMMENDATIONS.

12:00:36 DO YOU WANT THE NEXT STEPS TO COME BACK, YOU SAY, IN AUGUST?

12:00:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST WHICH

12:00:42 WILL BE AUGUST 26th.

12:00:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WOULD BE A STAFF REPORT.

12:00:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

12:00:46 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.




12:00:48 DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

12:00:50 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

12:00:51 ALL IN FAVOR?

12:00:52 ALL RIGHT.

12:00:53 THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 3, YES?

12:00:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE WE FINISHED WITH MS. FEELEY AND MS.

12:01:02 VELEZ?

12:01:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 3.

12:01:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

12:01:08 I AM LIKING THE WAY THIS IS GOING.

12:01:09 MR. CHAIR, FOR TWO YEARS PRIOR TO WHEN I WAS ELECTED, I

12:01:13 WOULD SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND SOME PEOPLE CALLED ME THE

12:01:16 8th COUNCIL PERSON.

12:01:17 AND I WOULD OFTEN HEAR COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN SPEAK ON THIS

12:01:23 SUBJECT.

12:01:24 COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN, I HOPE THAT THIS IS MOVING YOUR IDEA

12:01:28 FORWARD.

12:01:31 I HEARD IT, AND NOW WE ARE TAKING ACTION.

12:01:33 SO HOPEFULLY YOU LIKE THIS IDEA, COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN.

12:01:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE BREAK FOR LUNCH, I JUST WANT

12:01:41 TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT FOR THIS EVENING, COUNCIL

12:01:44 MEETING, WE HAVE 5:01 ON THE CALENDAR.

12:01:48 THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

12:01:50 WE ARE GOING TO START THE MEETING AT 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT.

12:01:53 WE ARE GOING TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS.




12:01:55 WE ARE GOING TO PUT A SIGN ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR ANYBODY

12:01:58 THAT COMES IN EARLY.

12:01:59 BUT WE WILL BEGIN AT 6:00 P.M. AND NOT 5:00 FOR THE

12:02:03 LISTENING PUBLIC AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WILL BE ATTENDING.

12:02:06 DISREGARD 5:01 P.M.

12:02:08 WE WILL BE BACK AT 6:00 P.M. FOR THAT.

12:02:11 THAT DOES NOT CONCLUDE THIS WORKSHOP.

12:02:14 WE ARE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:30 AND THEN PICK UP

12:02:16 WITH ITEMS NUMBER 4 AND 5.

12:02:19 WE ARE IN RECESS.

12:02:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU DON'T NEED US HERE AT FIVE?

12:02:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.

12:02:27 6:00.

12:02:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE'LL MAKE SURE NOTICES ARE ON THE DOORS

12:02:32 AND SECOND FLOOR AS WELL.

12:02:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL MAKE IT AS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.

12:02:36 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

12:02:37 (MEETING IN RECESS)



13:22:21 (TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECONVENES)

13:36:12 [SOUNDING GAVEL]

13:36:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

13:36:14 I CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

13:36:17 ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

13:36:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

13:36:21 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

13:36:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

13:36:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

13:36:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

13:36:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

13:36:29 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

13:36:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

13:36:33 WE ARE GOING TO START BACK UP WITH ITEM NUMBER 4.

13:36:36 WE SHOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION

13:36:38 ON.

13:36:39 I DO SEE ONE.

13:36:44 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:36:50 WE HAVE MR. GOERS, HAY AND COLLINS.

13:36:56 >> THIS IS SHAWN COLLEGE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO

13:37:00 PRESENT THIS ITEM.

13:37:01 I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL

13:37:03 RESEARCH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

13:37:06 WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A BRIEF REPORT ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT IN

13:37:09 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, BEST PRACTICES POLICY

13:37:13 ANALYSIS.

13:37:13 I'M HERE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT REPORT.

13:37:16 THIS IS KIND OF A QUICK, SHORT REPORT, MEANT TO BE KIND OF A

13:37:23 FIRST STARTING POINT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES

13:37:27 ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THE HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:37:34 THE CITY IS ABOUT TO EMBARK ON A BROADER MORE DETAILED STUDY

13:37:38 WITH HAZARD MITIGATION AND HIGH HAZARD AREA.




13:37:42 THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT TO FEED INTO THAT STUDY.

13:37:46 IF I CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY SCREEN.

13:37:49 I CAN DO THAT AND START MY BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU.

13:37:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE SEE THE SCREEN.

13:37:56 GO AHEAD.

13:37:56 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

13:38:03 SO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY

13:38:07 SUSCEPTIBLE TO COASTAL FLOODING FROM STORAGE SURGE EVENT

13:38:10 DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTES AS AREA BELOW THE ELEVATION OF

13:38:13 THE CATEGORY ONE STORM SURGE LINE AS ESTABLISHED BY THE SEA

13:38:18 LAKE AND OVERLAND COMPUTERIZED STORM SURGE MODEL, THREE

13:38:24 TIMES SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND THE MOST RECENT UPDATE IN 2016

13:38:29 SIGNIFICANTLY BROADENED THE AREA WE NOW KNOW AS BEING

13:38:32 VULNERABLE FOR STORM SURGE IN A CATEGORY ONE STORM.

13:38:36 THE REPORT GAVE SOME DEMOGRAPHICS TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING

13:38:39 WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:38:41 IN 2010 THE TOTAL POPULATION IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA WILL

13:38:48 CREASED BY 12.8% TO 67,000 PLUS.

13:38:51 AND THE CITY OF TAMPA THE GROWTH RATE WAS 21.5% WITH A

13:38:55 CURRENTS POPULATION OF 55,672.

13:39:02 DURING THAT SAME TIME THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS LOCATED IN

13:39:04 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA INCREASED AS WELL, IN

13:39:09 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THE NUMBER GREW BY 7.4%, AND THEN TAMPA

13:39:12 BY 17.5 PERCENT, OVER 25.5 THOUSAND HOUSING UNITS IN THE

13:39:22 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.




13:39:24 THE SLIDE I AM SHOWING YOU NOW ON THE RIGHT, THE GREEN IS

13:39:26 THE CURRENT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF

13:39:31 YOUR SCREEN.

13:39:31 ON THE LEFT WAS THE PREVIOUS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:39:35 YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION AS TO

13:39:38 WHAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE THE VULNERABLE AREA THROUGH

13:39:41 MODELING.

13:39:41 WE DO EXPECT ANOTHER UPDATE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:39:49 THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

13:39:53 THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO WHETHER OR NOT STAFF WOULD

13:39:57 RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A LAND USE INCREASE IN

13:40:01 DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:40:03 THE SLIDE IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST AND IS ONLY MEANT TO

13:40:07 HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE EXISTING POLICY LANGUAGE THAT WE DEAL

13:40:09 WITH.

13:40:10 COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVE 1.1, DIRECT FUTURE POPULATION

13:40:14 CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO

13:40:18 ACHIEVE A NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY

13:40:21 WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:40:23 HOWEVER THE DEFINITION OF INCREASE IS UNCLEAR AS TO THE

13:40:26 POINT IN TIME WHICH DENSITIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAPPED IN THE

13:40:31 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IS NOT BEING TRACKED.

13:40:34 IT IS ALSO UNCLEAR IF THIS IS IMPLEMENTED ON A

13:40:38 PROJECT-BY-PROJECT BASIS OR SOME OTHER LEVEL.

13:40:40 CONSEQUENTLY THE NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL




13:40:43 DENSITY OBJECTIVE HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT.

13:40:46 POLICIES 1.1.6 AND 1.2.2 LIMIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE

13:40:51 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO SPECIFIC USES ON THE FUTURE LAND

13:40:53 USE MAP AND BASED ON THE ABILITY OF AN APPLICANT TO MITIGATE

13:40:57 THE IMPACT ON SHELTER SPACE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

13:41:02 BETWEEN 2001 -- EXCUSE ME.

13:41:05 LET ME GET BACK TO THE RIGHT SLIDE HERE.

13:41:07 BETWEEN 2001 AND 2020, 89 PLAN AMENDMENTS WERE REQUESTED IN

13:41:16 THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR PROPERTIES EITHER PARTIALLY OR

13:41:16 ENTIRELY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:41:17 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOMMENDED A FINDING OF

13:41:19 CONSISTENCY OF 73 OF THE 89 CASES.

13:41:23 THOSE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A LOWER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL

13:41:28 DENSITY, OR THE PROPOSAL WAS TO REPLACE RESIDENTIAL WITH

13:41:31 INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL.

13:41:34 16 OF THE CASES OF THE APPLICATIONS WERE FOUND BY STAFF TO

13:41:37 BE INCONSISTENT OR WERE SUBSEQUENTLY WITHDRAWN DUE TO

13:41:41 STAFF'S FINDING THAT THEY WOULD INCREASE RESIDENTIAL

13:41:43 DENSITIES IF THEY WENT FORWARD.

13:41:46 NOW, OF ALL THE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED, 72 WERE APPROVED BY

13:41:50 CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WERE SEVEN INSTANCES IN WHICH CITY

13:41:53 COUNCIL DIFFERED FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF

13:41:57 INCONSISTENCY AND DID APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

13:42:03 ACCORDING TO STAFF IN THIS REVIEW, THE REAL PLAN AMENDMENT

13:42:07 REQUESTS BY STAFF IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS NOT




13:42:10 ENTIRELY CLEAR, AND IS ESTIMATION INCONSISTENT, AND MAY NOT

13:42:14 BE A REALLY PREDICTABLE PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT

13:42:17 COMMUNITY.

13:42:17 AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY SOME

13:42:20 IMPROVEMENTS WITH MORE CLEAR POLICY.

13:42:28 AN ANALYSIS OF BEST PRACTICES, EXAMPLES OF HOW DIFFERENT

13:42:30 JURISDICTIONS DEAL WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA DENSITY

13:42:33 ISSUE, THERE WAS A REPORT DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC

13:42:36 OPPORTUNITIES, AND IT FOUND THAT MANY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN

13:42:39 THE STATE HAVE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT LIMIT OR

13:42:42 RESTRICT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY, RESIDENTIAL

13:42:46 DENSITY, IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IN MANY

13:42:50 DIFFERENT WAYS.

13:42:51 THEY ALSO LIMIT OR REGULATE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED

13:42:53 IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND SOME ESTABLISH SPECIAL

13:42:56 BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.

13:42:57 NOW, I WANT TO PAUSE HERE AND MENTION WHAT WE ARE TALKING

13:43:00 ABOUT LARGELY IS RESTRICTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND

13:43:07 USE DENSITY CATEGORIES.

13:43:09 WE ARE GENERALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING.

13:43:11 THIS IS USUALLY AND GENERALLY THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN TO DEAL

13:43:14 WITH THESE TYPES OF ISSUES NO LAND USE CATEGORY AS DENSITY

13:43:19 LIMITATION.

13:43:19 SO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THE STATE WITH SOME OF THESE

13:43:22 DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL AND KNOWLEDGE




13:43:27 BASED FOR WHAT TAMPA COULD POTENTIALLY DO IN THE FUTURE?

13:43:33 ONE EXAMPLE IS THE CITY OF TITUSVILLE RESTRICTED DENSITY IN

13:43:38 THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:43:42 ST. PETERSBURG USED TO INCREASE AND NOW INCLUDE DENSITY

13:43:47 LIMITS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

13:43:49 HALF OF THE JURISDICTIONS REVIEWED HAVE SPECIFIC LIMIT FOR

13:43:53 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:43:55 THIS CAN RANGE FROM ONE, IN HERNANDO COUNTY, OR UP TO LIKE

13:44:01 SIX DWELLINGS PER GROWTH ACRE IN THE CITY OF BRADENTON.

13:44:04 THE CITY OF PALMETTO USES AN AVERAGING FORMULA FOR PORTIONS

13:44:08 OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES WITHIN A DENSITY

13:44:11 ABOVE 6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT ARE LOAD DATED IN THE

13:44:15 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:44:16 THAT'S JUST ANOTHER DIFFERING METHOD THAT THE JURISDICTION

13:44:20 USES.

13:44:20 THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, FOR EXAMPLE, ASSIGNED EACH FUTURE

13:44:23 LAND USE CATEGORY FOUND IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITH

13:44:26 SPECIFIC DENSITY MAXIMUMS RANGING FROM 15 DWELLING UNITS FOR

13:44:30 LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO 60 DWELLING UNITS FOR HIGH

13:44:33 DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

13:44:35 ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IS TO APPLY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES

13:44:38 THAT ALIGN WITH EXISTING DENSITY.

13:44:41 ON THE GROUND.

13:44:44 THE CITY OF NEW PORT RICHEY ALLOWS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE

13:44:46 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITH DENSITIES NOT TO EXCEED THOSE




13:44:49 ALLOWED UNDER THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY

13:44:54 GENERALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EXISTING DENSITIES ON THE

13:44:56 GROUND.

13:44:59 METHOD 6 COMES IN FROM THE CITY OF CLEARWATER AND THE CITY

13:45:02 OF ST. PETERSBURG.

13:45:02 THOSE CITIES USE BALANCING CRITERIA TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR

13:45:06 DENSITY INCREASES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:45:10 CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE WEIGHTED AS MANDATORY MINIMUM CRITERIA

13:45:14 FOR DENSITY INCREASES, INCREASED APPLICATION, OTHERWISE THE

13:45:18 REQUEST IS DENIED.

13:45:19 THE REMAINING REVIEW CRITERIA ARE CONSIDERED AND BALANCED ON

13:45:23 EACH CASE-BY-CASE BASIS FOR EACH APPLICATION REQUESTING A

13:45:27 CHANGE.

13:45:27 NOW, HOWEVER IT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS

13:45:31 FULLY MITIGATE EVACUATION BY LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUES, WHICH

13:45:35 JUST ABOUT EVERY COASTAL COMMUNITIES IS DOING, INCLUDING THE

13:45:38 CITY OF TAMPA.

13:45:41 THE CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH USES POPULATION GROWTH IN THE

13:45:45 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:45:47 THE CITY CLOSELY MONITORS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO

13:45:51 MAKE SURE THAT NO MORE THAN 5% OF ITS ANNUAL POPULATION

13:45:55 GROWTH OCCURS IN THIS AREA.

13:45:59 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ONCE HAD A MITIGATION IMPACT OFFSET, BY

13:46:04 THE COUNTY COORDINATED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

13:46:07 ALTHOUGH THIS CAPABILITY REMAINS THE PROGRAM IS NO LONGER




13:46:11 IMPLEMENTED.

13:46:12 THIS PROGRAM CAN BENEFIT SHELTERED SPACES USING -- BUT AGAIN

13:46:17 IT IS UNCLEAR IF SUCH A PROGRAM COULD REASONABLY MITIGATION

13:46:20 GAIT EVACUATION TIME.

13:46:21 FINALLY, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN REVIEW PROPOSED PRIVATE

13:46:25 SECTOR DEVELOPMENT, SHELTER SPACE AND EVACUATION TIME

13:46:28 MITIGATION PLANS THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR PUTS OUT DURING A

13:46:33 PLAN AMENDMENT'S AGENCY REVIEW PHASE TO DETERMINE WHETHER

13:46:36 THE PROPOSAL, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL MEET MITIGATION

13:46:40 STANDARDS.

13:46:41 THIS SIMILARLY IS UNCLEAR WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT CAN REALLY

13:46:43 EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH THE EVACUATION TIME EACH YEAR.

13:46:50 AND THAT WAS A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.

13:46:53 AS I SAID, THIS REPORT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY RECOMMENDATIONS

13:46:57 OR CONCLUSIONS AT THIS POINT.

13:47:00 I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT THAT WILL FEED INTO THE

13:47:02 EFFORTS THAT IS GOING TO BE STARTING UP VERY QUICKLY WITH

13:47:07 CITY STAFF ON A BROADER, WITH A CONSULTANT STUDY, AND THIS

13:47:11 CAN BE A BASIS THAT CAN INCLUDE IN THAT EFFORT TO HELP GIVE

13:47:16 SOME DIRECTION.

13:47:17 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

13:47:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. GOERS, ARE YOU GIVING A

13:47:28 PRESENTATION AS WELL OR IS THIS IT?

13:47:32 >>RANDY GOERS: I AM LISTENING AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

13:47:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.




13:47:34 ANY QUESTIONS?

13:47:36 MR. DINGFELDER.

13:47:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL WAIT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY.

13:47:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY?

13:47:41 COUNCILMAN GUDES.

13:47:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- I GUESS

13:47:48 THE QUESTION WOULD GO TO RANDY.

13:47:50 TO COME UP WITH A POLICY AS RELATES TO THE CITY OF TAMPA?

13:47:55 >>RANDY GOERS: YES, WE WILL DO IT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT

13:47:59 WAYS.

13:48:00 THIS REPORT, THE REPORT THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE PLANNING

13:48:02 COMMISSION IS THEN TO BE GIVEN TO THE CONSULTANT WHEN THEY

13:48:05 START.

13:48:06 SO THEY WILL HAVE -- THE RESEARCH THAT WAS COMPILED BY THE

13:48:10 STAFF.

13:48:10 THE STAFF IS ALSO GOING TO BE PART OF THE AGENCY TEAM THAT

13:48:14 WE PUT TOGETHER AND DEVELOP THE CRAFTING OF POLICIES FOR THE

13:48:19 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:48:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

13:48:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?

13:48:24 NO?

13:48:24 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

13:48:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

13:48:26 SO RANDY, REMIND US WHAT THAT TIMETABLE IS IN REGARD TO THE

13:48:33 CONSULTANT AND COMING BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE




13:48:36 POLICIES?

13:48:37 >>RANDY GOERS: WE ARE -- WE ALREADY STARTED ADVERTISING

13:48:42 WITH THE CONSULTANT RFQ WITH THE RELEASE AND IF EVERYTHING

13:48:47 GOES WELL IN TERMS OF THE SELECTION AND THE CONTRACT, WE

13:48:50 WILL HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD IN JULY.

13:48:55 I THINK ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO DO THE STUDY.

13:48:58 IT JUST DEPENDS HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN GET UP TO SPEED.

13:49:01 BUT WITHIN SIX MONTHS, I THINK WHAT WE THINK ARE THE POLICY

13:49:06 CHANGES, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE PLAN

13:49:10 AMENDMENT PROCESS OF GETTING THEM ADOPTED.

13:49:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PERHAPS THE END OF THIS YEAR, 2021, YOU

13:49:18 HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN WE ALL KNOW THAT COMP PLAN

13:49:22 USUALLY TAKES ABOUT ANOTHER NINE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH.

13:49:25 SO WE WILL BE DEEP INTO 2022 BEFORE WE SEE ANY CHANGES.

13:49:29 MY CONCERN IS THIS.

13:49:34 WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE OBJECTIVE 1.1, WHICH IS THAT SAME

13:49:41 THING WE HAVE SEEN OVER AND OVER, NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL

13:49:46 RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.

13:49:47 NOBODY IS ABLE TO INTERPRET IT, SO IT BECOMES MEANINGLESS.

13:49:53 AND ARGUABLY THAT PROVISION IS GOING TO REMAIN IN THERE AND

13:49:57 BE MEANINGLESS FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.

13:50:02 AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT -- AND SHAWN, I APPRECIATE

13:50:06 YOUR PRESENTATION, AND RANDY, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL THE TIME,

13:50:09 BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE POLICY 1.22 WHICH SAYS, WELL,

13:50:15 DEVELOPERS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THEN HE HAS




13:50:19 TO MITIGATE WITH ADDITIONAL SHELTER SPACE.

13:50:21 BUT MITIGATING AS SHAWN MENTIONED, MITIGATING ADDITIONAL

13:50:25 SHELTER SPACE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS THE EVACUATION.

13:50:28 CAN PEOPLE GET TO THOSE SHELTERS?

13:50:30 CAN PEOPLE GET OUT OF THOSE AREAS, THOSE LOW-LYING AREAS,

13:50:35 PERIOD?

13:50:37 IT BOTHERS ME TREMENDOUSLY THAT THESE REZONINGS CAN CONTINUE

13:50:41 TO COME IN IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND WE DON'T HAVE

13:50:46 ANY EFFECTIVE COMP PLAN POLICIES TO ADDRESS THEM, AND WE ARE

13:50:50 GOING TO BE ARGUABLY, IF WE WAIT, FOR THE CONSULTANT, WE ARE

13:50:54 GOING TO BE IN THAT SAME SITUATION FOR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW,

13:50:58 YEAR AND THREE QUARTERS, OR YEAR AND A HALF.

13:51:05 I THINK SOME OF THESE WE COULD ADDRESS OURSELVES, AT LEAST

13:51:09 ON AN INTERIM BASIS, AND THEN IF THE CONSULTANT COMES UP

13:51:13 WITH SOME BETTER LANGUAGE, WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE IT.

13:51:19 BUT WE ARE GOING THROUGH SOME COMP PLAN -- WE ARE DOING A

13:51:23 COMP PLAN CHANGE RIGHT NOW AS RELATED TO THE SO-CALLED

13:51:27 MORATORIUM.

13:51:29 I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS THESE POLICIES, A COUPLE OF

13:51:32 POLICIES IN THE SHORT TERM AS WELL.

13:51:37 ANYBODY AGREE WITH ME?

13:51:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN?

13:51:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T KNOW THE TIME FRAME WAS GOING TO

13:51:45 BE THAT LONG, MR. DINGFELDER.

13:51:51 I THINK WE ARE SPINNING OUR WHEELS IN THE MUD IF WE ARE NOT




13:51:53 MOVING.

13:51:55 I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO TAKE THIS LONG TO GET

13:51:58 SOMETHING BACK TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS

13:52:07 LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION.

13:52:10 AND ALREADY THAT'S A LONG TIME.

13:52:12 >> WELL, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SHAVE SOME TIME OFF.

13:52:18 I'M GOING BASED ON OUR TYPICAL TIME FRAME.

13:52:24 THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PRODUCE SOME

13:52:26 RECOMMENDATIONS MORE EXPEDIENTLY.

13:52:30 THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DEVELOP THESE ISSUES.

13:52:33 THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS WHOLE ISSUE, WHETHER WE STARTED

13:52:36 OUT, OR WHETHER WE GO TO COUNCIL, IS NOT COMING UP WITH A

13:52:40 SOLUTION, IT'S THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

13:52:43 WE HAVE SEEN IT ALREADY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

13:52:45 IT'S GETTING THE COMMUNITY OUT AND SAYING, HEY, BY THE TIME

13:52:50 IT COMES TO YOU, YOU HAVE A SOLUTION THAT IS SUPPORTED BY

13:52:52 THE COMMUNITY, BROAD COMMUNITY.

13:52:55 SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT TAKES THE TIME.

13:52:58 THERE IS AN ACTUAL REVIEW TIME BECAUSE IT WILL GO TO THE

13:53:01 STATE TO BE REVIEWED, BECAUSE OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT.

13:53:06 BUT THERE'S TWO ISSUES ON THIS.

13:53:09 ONE OF THEM IS THE RIGHT MECHANISM.

13:53:12 THE OTHER ONE IS GETTING THE COMMUNITIES TO BUY IN ON THOSE

13:53:15 POLICIES.

13:53:15 SELECTING THE MECHANISM, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION




13:53:19 PRODUCES, EVERY ONE OF THOSE CITIES HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH

13:53:22 TO REGULATING DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:53:26 I KNOW THAT ONCE WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL HAVE

13:53:29 SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPROACHES COME TO US, AND THAT'S WHY WE

13:53:32 ARE BRINGING THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO LEVERAGE THEIR

13:53:35 EXPERIENCE, TO LOOK AT THE TREND, ALL OF THE INFORMATION,

13:53:44 AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT IS THE BEST

13:53:48 APPROACH.

13:53:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT THAT, RANDY.

13:53:51 MY DEAL IS THAT THE COMMUNITY, A CERTAIN PORTION OF OUR

13:53:57 CITY, HAS BEEN FIGHTING REALLY HARD, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE

13:54:01 DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE THEIR SIDE, TOO.

13:54:04 BUT TO ME, I'M A COMMUNITY GUY.

13:54:08 AND SOME DEVELOPERS, THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.

13:54:11 THAT'S A BUSINESS PORTION.

13:54:13 BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE.

13:54:15 SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING THE BULK OF THEIR

13:54:19 CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION VERSUS OTHER ITSELF, BECAUSE

13:54:22 THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO LIVE THERE.

13:54:24 AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU PUT SOMETHING THERE, A BUSINESS DEAL,

13:54:29 AND THOSE SKY RISE BUILDINGS, THEY COME AND GO.

13:54:35 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BROADER

13:54:39 COMMUNITY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN KNIT COMMUNITY OF

13:54:44 THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR CONCERNS.

13:54:46 THAT'S WHERE -- THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR




13:54:52 AND NEED.

13:54:52 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS RIGHT NOW.

13:54:54 I'LL LISTEN TO OTHER COUNCILMEN.

13:54:57 BUT THAT'S A LONG TIME, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO KEEP HEARING

13:55:00 THIS FOR A WHILE UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS.

13:55:06 YOU ARE TALKING WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

13:55:08 I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCILMEN HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

13:55:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

13:55:14 >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT

13:55:19 EVACUATION AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT COMES UP MOST OFTEN.

13:55:22 BUT LISTENING TO CLIMATE SCIENTISTS AND NONPARTISAN CLIMATE

13:55:30 SCIENTISTS, AND LISTENING TO THE RISK MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY,

13:55:33 TALK TO INSURANCE INDUSTRY, THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ON THE

13:55:39 HORIZON MAYBE FIFTY YEARS OUT WHERE THESE COASTAL AREAS WILL

13:55:43 BE COVERED WITH WATER.

13:55:45 AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE PROPERTIES

13:55:50 AT THAT TIME?

13:55:51 AND THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN IS THAT THE RISK INDUSTRY

13:55:55 WILL PULL OUT BEFORE THE WATER REALLY HITS, AND THAT MEANS

13:55:59 THAT PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET MORTGAGES, THEY WON'T BE

13:56:01 ABLE TO REFINANCE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL BECAUSE PEOPLE

13:56:04 WON'T BE ABLE TO GET MORTGAGES, SO MAYBE THEN PEOPLE WHO

13:56:07 HAVE CASH WILL BE ABLE TO BUY THESE PROPERTIES.

13:56:09 THEN THE OTHER THING IS PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET

13:56:11 INSURANCE WHICH ALSO MEANS THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET DEBT




13:56:14 ON THAT, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER EFFECT THAT MIGHT HAVE?

13:56:17 I WONDER IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA,

13:56:20 IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY,

13:56:22 OBLIGATIONS OR LIABILITY EVEN FOR COMMUNITIES TO, ONE,

13:56:31 DEVELOPERS OR TO SET GUIDELINES BECAUSE MOSS SCIENTISTS ARE

13:56:34 PREDICTING IN FIFTY YEARS THAT PROBABLY THE BUILDING MIGHT

13:56:37 NOT BE WORTH ANYTHING?

13:56:39 >> ARE THOSE DIRECTED AT ME?

13:56:44 >>BILL CARLSON: SURE.

13:56:45 WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER IT.

13:56:46 >> THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT IS WRAPPING UP A

13:56:51 STUDY IN TAMPA AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND SOME OF

13:57:00 THE INITIAL IDEAS, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LONG-TERM

13:57:06 IMPACTS, SIXTY, SEVENTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

13:57:11 THE STUDIES RECOMMEND SOME IDEAS, SOME OF THEM WOULD REQUIRE

13:57:18 CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE.

13:57:19 THAT'S THE PROVISIONS THAT MANY OF THOSE IDEAS WOULD

13:57:24 ACTUALLY NEED, FIRST TO AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER TO A

13:57:28 COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.

13:57:33 BUT THAT STUDY WILL ALSO HAVE INPUT THAT WILL LEAD INTO THIS

13:57:37 STUDY.

13:57:37 SO THE CONSULTANT HAS THE BENEFIT OF UNDERSTANDING SEA LEVEL

13:57:41 RISE IN ITS DYNAMIC FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

13:57:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN?

13:57:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.




13:57:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SHAWN, THIS COMES BACK TO THE CORE

13:57:57 QUESTION AND I THINK YOU BUMPED AGAINST IN THE YOUR

13:58:00 PRESENTATION.

13:58:06 WHAT IS THE RISK, WHAT IS THE DANGER OF ALLOWING THIS

13:58:11 CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE

13:58:15 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?

13:58:18 I MEAN, ALLEGEDLY THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE BUILDING MORE

13:58:22 SHELTER SPACE OR CONTRIBUTING TO MORE SHELTER SPACE.

13:58:24 SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER RISKS, VIS-A-VIS EVACUATION, OR WHAT

13:58:32 HAVE YOU?

13:58:33 >> SHAWN COLLEGE: YES, A GOOD QUESTION.

13:58:36 GENERALLY WE ARE DOING ALL RIGHT COUNTYWIDE.

13:58:38 THE LAST I CHECKED WITH REGARD TO SHELTER SPACE.

13:58:40 AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THE REAL PROBLEM WE HAVE IS EVACUATION

13:58:45 TIME.

13:58:46 THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POPULATION THAT IS GOING TO GET

13:58:50 INTO THEIR CARS AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO LEAVE THE

13:58:52 COUNTY.

13:58:53 WE CAN INFLUENCE HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT IS, BUT THERE'S -- WE

13:58:59 CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS.

13:59:00 THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE GET IN

13:59:03 THEIR CAR AND TRY TO LEAVE THE COUNTY.

13:59:05 AND AS YOU INCREASE THE POPULATION, IF YOU INCREASE THE

13:59:08 POPULATION, VIA LAND USE CHANGES THAT INCREASE DENSITY, YOU

13:59:12 ARE ADDING TO THAT POPULATION, TO THAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT




13:59:16 POPULATION THAT'S GOING TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND TRY TO

13:59:18 LEAVE, AND WE DETERMINED THAT WE CANNOT GET EVERYBODY OUT

13:59:21 THAT IS GOING TO WANT TO LEAVE, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE

13:59:24 THAT IS ESTABLISHED UNDER STATE LAW AND UNDER THE COMP PLAN.

13:59:29 THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO BE STUCK

13:59:32 IN THEIR CARS DURING A STORM SURGE EVENT, ON THE ROAD, AND

13:59:36 IN DANGER.

13:59:38 SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL, AGAIN, AND WE

13:59:43 ALWAYS AS PLANNERS TEND TO LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF LAND USE

13:59:47 CATEGORY CHANGES THAT INCREASE DENSITY.

13:59:51 THAT'S ALWAYS THE DANGER.

13:59:52 WE LOOK AT IT AS PLANNERS THAT THE LAND USE DENSITIES THAT

13:59:56 ARE ESTABLISHED ON THE MAP, THEY ARE CONTEMPLATED.

13:59:59 THEY HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED HISTORICALLY, AND POPULATIONS

14:00:03 UNDER THAT LAND USE CATEGORY ARE WHAT WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED

14:00:07 WILL BE BUILT THERE.

14:00:07 SO THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE NATURAL GROWTH IN

14:00:11 POPULATION IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD BECAUSE THERE'S A

14:00:14 CAPACITY ALREADY AVAILABLE UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE

14:00:17 CATEGORIES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND.

14:00:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT SOME OF THESE JURISDICTIONS, SHAWN,

14:00:21 HAVE TAKEN A STEP FURTHER THAN THE LAND USE CATEGORY.

14:00:24 THEY HAVE LIMITED THE REZONING -- I MEAN, GRANTED, IF

14:00:29 SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS A ZONING AND THEY HAVE A LAND USE

14:00:31 CATEGORY AND ALL THEY ARE WAITING TO DO IS PULL A PERMIT,




14:00:34 THEN THOSE ARE ALREADY DONE, OKAY.

14:00:36 BUT THE ONES THAT ARE COMING WITH A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT

14:00:39 ARE ASKING FOR A ZONING CATEGORY TO MEET THAT, LET'S SAY 30

14:00:44 OR 35 UNITS PER ACRE ON A CMU-35, A LOT OF THE JURISDICTIONS

14:00:49 THAT YOU SHARED WITH US HAVE SAID, WAIT A SECOND, WE DON'T

14:00:53 CARE IF YOU GOT A CMU-35.

14:00:56 IF YOU ARE IN THE CHHA, WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT YOU TO TEN

14:01:03 UNITS PER ACRE, SIX UNITS PER ACRE.

14:01:06 I CHARACTERIZING SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS?

14:01:09 >> WELL, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PARSED OUT WHICH JURISDICTION

14:01:12 VERSUS A ZONING POLICY AND WHICH JURISDICTIONS HAVE A LAND

14:01:16 USE CATEGORY POLICY.

14:01:18 I TEND TO THINK MOST OF THEM ARE DEALING IN LAND USE, AND

14:01:22 HISTORICALLY THAT IS WHERE WE DEALT WITH IT, AND THAT IS THE

14:01:28 STATE LAW TEND TO EVOLVE AROUND LAND USE, NOT SO MUCH

14:01:32 REZONINGS.

14:01:32 SO AS WE HAVE DEALT WITH STATE LAW IN THE POPULATION IN THE

14:01:36 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WE TEND TO DEALT WITH IT ON THE

14:01:39 LAND USE SIDE.

14:01:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE

14:01:44 JURISDICTIONS AND THE DESCRIPTIONS YOU PROVIDED, IT APPEARED

14:01:48 TO ME CLEARLY THEY WERE TAKING IT FURTHER THAN THAT, AND

14:01:50 SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS.

14:01:51 I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME.

14:01:53 I KNOW YOU PROVIDED A COPY OF THE REPORT TO ME BECAUSE I




14:01:56 ASKED YOU FOR ONE.

14:01:57 DID YOU PROVIDE ONE TO ALL COUNCIL, OR COULD YOU?

14:02:01 >> I THINK WE DID FORWARD TO THE ALL COUNCIL, BUT WE

14:02:04 CERTAINLY CAN IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR COPY

14:02:10 AND I WOULD JUST SAY, COUNCILMAN, I THINK AT THE END, THIS

14:02:15 EXPANDED STUDY THAT RANDY GOERS IS ABOUT TO UNDERGO, THAT'S

14:02:19 THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CONSULTANTS TO LOOK INTO

14:02:23 THOSE IMPLICATIONS OF ZONING AND WHETHER THAT'S AN OPTION,

14:02:27 AND WHETHER IT'S AN APPROPRIATE OPTION, AND WHAT THE

14:02:30 IMPLICATIONS OF DOING THAT FOR THE CITY ARE.

14:02:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I TEND TO BE AN IMPATIENT GUY.

14:02:37 AND WHEN I SEE THESE REZONINGS COME IN FRONT OF US MONTH

14:02:41 AFTER MONTH, WEEK AFTER WEEK, WITH CONTINUED INCREASE, NET

14:02:46 INCREASE IN DENSITY, OR NET INCREASE IN DENSITY, NO DOUBT IN

14:02:51 MY MIND, THAT'S WHERE I GET EXTREMELY CONCERNED, BECAUSE

14:02:55 LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC

14:02:58 SAFETY FIRST AND FOREMOST.

14:03:00 AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ALL ABOUT.

14:03:02 YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN.

14:03:03 THEY SAY, OH, THE TRAFFIC IS BUSY AND THIS, THE SCHOOLS ARE

14:03:08 CROWDED.

14:03:08 AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES.

14:03:10 BUT THERE'S NO ISSUE MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN EVACUATION

14:03:14 AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

14:03:15 THANK YOU.




14:03:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

14:03:16 ANYBODY ELSE?

14:03:19 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

14:03:20 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE QUICK QUESTION.

14:03:22 THE SELMON EXTENSION JUST OPENED.

14:03:26 WILL THERE BE NEW TRAFFIC MODELING NOW THAT THAT'S DONE TO

14:03:30 SEE HOW THE EVACUATION TIMES ARE CHANGING?

14:03:32 >> SHAWN COLLEGE.

14:03:36 THE STATE DOES A REGIONAL HURRICANE EVACUATION MODEL, AND

14:03:40 THEY DO IT ABOUT EVER FIVE YEARS, AND THEY JUST COMPLETED

14:03:43 ONE, OR THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING ONE.

14:03:46 THAT SHOULD COME OUT FOR THE NEW COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA

14:03:51 WILL COME OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

14:03:54 I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

14:03:57 THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL

14:03:59 AS TO WHETHER THEY MODELED IT WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE

14:04:01 SELMON OR PRIOR TO COMPLETION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO

14:04:04 THAT.

14:04:04 >> THINKING THROUGH, UNDERSTAND WAG THEY ARE USING AS THEIR

14:04:12 BASELINE PROJECTIONS, I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING THE

14:04:16 MOST CURRENT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FOR THE MODELING.

14:04:22 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.

14:04:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

14:04:27 ANYTHING ELSE?

14:04:28 ANYBODY ELSE?




14:04:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

14:04:31 WE APPRECIATE IT.

14:04:35 ALL RIGHT.

14:04:35 OUR LAST ITEM OF THE DAY IS GOING TO BE ITEM NUMBER 5

14:04:39 REGARDING SIDEWALKS AND WHATNOT.

14:04:43 I SEE VIK ON.

14:04:47 WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE.

14:04:49 I BELIEVE WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN.

14:04:51 GO AHEAD, SIR.

14:04:52 >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND CHAIR.

14:04:58 VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.

14:05:01 I'M ALSO JOINED BY PATRICK PEREZ WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT

14:05:05 TO ASK LEGAL QUESTIONS.

14:05:07 WE DID SUBMIT A PRESENTATION, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP.

14:05:12 THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IS THE SIDEWALK --

14:05:19 THE SIDEWALK WORKSHOP AND THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN

14:05:22 CITRO A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN WALK/BIKE TAMPA MADE THEIR

14:05:28 PRESENTATION, AND MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

14:05:32 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:05:37 HERE IS THE WHOLE MOTION.

14:05:38 I WON'T READ IT BUT BASICALLY IT HAS A COUPLE OF PARTS.

14:05:41 ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW SIDEWALKS ARE FUNDED AND WHAT THE

14:05:47 CURRENT PROCESS IS, VIS-A-VIS FUNDING AND IMPLEMENTATION.

14:05:54 THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE OTHER PART, NEXT SLIDE, OF THE

14:05:59 PRESENTATION IS LOOK INTO THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT, HOW WILL




14:06:05 WE PRIORITIZE SIDEWALKS, VERSUS HOW WE ARE DOING IT

14:06:12 CURRENTLY, WHICH IS THE PREVIOUS SECTION.

14:06:14 AND THE THIRD PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE

14:06:18 WALK/BIKE TAMPA SPECIFIC PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, AND STAFF

14:06:26 RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SAME.

14:06:29 AS FAR AS Q AND A ARE CONCERNED, WE HAVE ADDED SLIDES IF YOU

14:06:36 WANT TO BREAK UP THE DISCUSSION INTO THESE THREE ITEMS, OR

14:06:39 WE COULD DO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AT THE END.

14:06:44 THAT'S COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

14:06:48 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:06:49 NEXT SLIDE.

14:06:51 NEXT SLIDE.

14:06:55 THANK YOU.

14:06:57 SO LET'S LOOK HISTORY IN-LIEU FEE.

14:07:04 IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN APRIL OF 1990.

14:07:07 THE IN-LIEU FEE IS DESCRIBED IN CHAPTER 22, STREETS AND

14:07:12 SIDEWALKS, PARTICULARLY UNDER SECTION A THAT DEALS WITH

14:07:22 FEES.

14:07:23 IN 2010 THE IN-LIEU FEE WAS REDUCED.

14:07:28 WHAT USED TO BE $43 WAS REDUCED TO $29.

14:07:35 AND BASED ON WHAT WE RESEARCHED, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE COST

14:07:39 OF SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME BY DEVELOPERS, AND

14:07:45 MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF THE SAME.

14:07:49 AND CERTAINLY NO EXPLANATION WAS INCLUDED TO ACCOUNT FOR

14:07:54 INCREASING COSTS AND CONSTRUCTION FACTORS, AND THIS




14:07:59 CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST

14:08:03 FEW YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS GO UP BY AROUND

14:08:06 40 TO 50% IN SOME CASES.

14:08:11 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:08:12 SO POLICIES, THERE'S A LITTLE INFORMATION MISSING AT THE

14:08:21 BOTTOM BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT SHOWS IS ON THE TOP, THE TABLE

14:08:26 ON THE TOP IS IN-LIEU FEE BALANCES THAT WE HAVE AS OF

14:08:34 DECEMBER 4th.

14:08:36 THE NEXT TABLE IS WHERE THOSE IN-LIEU FEES ARE COLLECTED

14:08:39 UNDER.

14:08:40 THEY ARE COLLECTED UNDER IMPACT FEE OR MULTIMODAL FEES, AND

14:08:45 THESE ARE OTHER FEES COLLECTED FROM 2013 THROUGH 2021, AND

14:08:51 THE BOTTOM ROW OF THE SECOND TABLE ARE THE TOTAL.

14:08:55 AND THE THIRD TABLE

14:08:57 THESE ARE THE ACTUALS.

14:08:59 MEANING THE CULMINATION OF THE FUND THAT WERE COLLECTED OVER

14:09:04 TIME, AND THOSE THAT ARE BEING COLLECTED TO DATE.

14:09:10 AND 2019, WE WERE USING IN-LIEU FEES ALMOST ENTIRELY FOR

14:09:20 BUILDING SMALL SIDEWALKS, OR FOR A MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING

14:09:25 WENT TO MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OR PRESERVATION OF THE

14:09:28 CURRENT SYSTEM.

14:09:30 AFTER 2019, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZED THAT WE ARE NOT

14:09:37 IMPLEMENTING OUR BUILD OR BUILDING ENOUGH NEW SIDEWALKS, AND

14:09:41 SO WE STARTED SHARING THOSE IN-LIEU FEES BETWEEN CAPITAL AS

14:09:45 WELL AS MAINTENANCE.




14:09:46 SO CURRENTLY WE ARE USING IN-LIEU FEES, AND IT'S NOT A LOT,

14:09:50 BUT WE ARE USING THEM PARTLY TO BUILD SIDEWALKS, PARTLY TO

14:09:57 FILL GAPS, AND MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS.

14:10:01 WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

14:10:07 HERE ARE THE ACCUMULATED BALANCES, IN THE IN-LIEU FEE TRUST

14:10:11 FUND, THE SIDEWALK TRUST FUND.

14:10:14 AND THIS IS A REFLECTION OF ALL THE BALANCES COLLECTED OVER

14:10:19 THE YEARS, AND THEN OF COURSE WHATEVER HAS BEEN COLLECTED TO

14:10:22 DATE.

14:10:24 AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT VERY HIGH NUMBERS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY

14:10:27 CONSTRUCTING A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, AND MITIGATION AS WELL, AND

14:10:35 THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, HOW IT IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE

14:10:41 REGION, AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

14:10:46 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:10:50 SO IN 2019, WHEN WE STARTED DOING CAPITAL, ONE OF OUR FIRST

14:10:56 PROJECTS WAS TAMPANIA FROM COLUMBUS TO TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD.

14:11:00 THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT MEANING THERE ARE NO

14:11:04 STORMWATER CONSIDERATIONS OR MITIGATIONS TO THAT EFFECT

14:11:07 THERE.

14:11:08 WERE NO GRAND TREES AROUND WITHIN TEN FEET OF THE SIDEWALK,

14:11:17 TO ADD TO SOME OF THE DESIGN CHALLENGES, AND THERE WEREN'T

14:11:20 ANY ISSUES WITH CONTIGUOUS SIDEWALKS.

14:11:23 SO WHEN WE BILLED BUILT THIS IN 20919, FOUR YEARS BACK, IT

14:11:28 WAS ABOUT HALF A MILE, AND THE COAST WAS $66 PER LINEAR

14:11:34 FOOT, WHICH INCLUDED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.




14:11:45 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE THIS SHOWS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FROM

14:11:48 FY 20.

14:11:49 AND AS WE -- THE FIRST IS THE ACTUAL TO DATE.

14:11:56 THAT AMOUNT IN EXCESS OF $1 MILLION.

14:12:00 AND IT IS REFLECTIVE OF IN-LIEU FEES.

14:12:05 THIS IS REALLY A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN

14:12:09 COLLECTED TO DATE IN THE PAST, BUT REALLY WHAT YOU ARE

14:12:12 LOOKING AT IS THE BUDGET ALLOCATED WHICH IS $182,000 WHICH

14:12:19 IS PULLED FROM THE IN-LIEU FUND AND WE DID AS CAPITAL

14:12:23 PROJECT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SIDEWALKS.

14:12:27 THIS IS REALLY FOR THE PURPOSE.

14:12:32 NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

14:12:34 THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, 25 BLOCKS AS WELL, AND WE

14:12:41 COMBINED WITH STATE FUNDING TO DO PROJECTS LIKE THE PROPOSED

14:12:45 SULPHUR SPRINGS ROUTE TO SCHOOL.

14:12:50 WE ALSO HAVE THE BOULEVARD ON LOIS AND OTHER PROGRAMS THAT

14:12:54 ARE PROGRAMMED IN OTHER YEARS.

14:12:55 SO WE ARE GETTING CREATIVE AND FUND SOME EXTERNAL SOURCES

14:13:00 AND WHAT WE HAVE -- OTHER INCLUDE THE WESTSHORE NEIGHBORHOOD

14:13:08 IMPROVEMENT FUND, AND THAT IS A SPECIAL FEE WITHIN THE

14:13:13 WESTSHORE DISTRICT, FUND FROM DEVELOPERS, AND WE ARE FUNDING

14:13:20 A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, ONE ON FIG STREET, THE OTHER ON HUBERT

14:13:26 AVENUE.

14:13:26 NEXT SLIDE.

14:13:29 THIS IS ANOTHER SHEET WHICH SHOWS WE RECEIVE SIDEWALK




14:13:36 FUNDING FROM THE CIT, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, SOME

14:13:40 YEARS BACK, A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

14:13:43 HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING AWAY.

14:13:46 THIS IS THE LAST YEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS HALF

14:13:49 MILLION DOLLARS.

14:13:50 AND IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY STARTING NEXT YEAR.

14:13:54 NEXT SLIDE.

14:13:59 SO THAT MEANS IN EFFECT THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT

14:14:04 FUNDS OUR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, CRACKED CEILINGS,

14:14:11 AND LEAKING PANELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S GOING AWAY

14:14:17 AND THE ONLY OTHER SOURCE AS OF NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE

14:14:20 LOCAL OPTION GAS TAXES WHICH ARE ALREADY STRESSED.

14:14:23 BUT THAT'S OUR ONLY OPTION.

14:14:27 OUR MAINTENANCE BACKLOG OVER 600 CUSTOMER SERVICE REQUESTS,

14:14:33 AND THE ACTUAL NEED FOR REPAIRS IS MUCH HIGHER, AND THE

14:14:36 REASON IS OUR PROGRAM, WE ARE GOING DOWN THE LIST OF VARIOUS

14:14:44 CITIZEN REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME IN, AND WE ARE FILLING THOSE

14:14:48 GAPS AS THEY COME IN, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT'S THE

14:14:51 WHOLE PICTURE.

14:14:53 THERE ARE MANY OTHER SIDEWALK GAPS WITHIN THE CITY THAT --

14:14:57 WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING, AND WE'LL CHECK ON

14:15:02 THAT REAL SOON, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FOR

14:15:05 THAT, AND THAT'S POSSIBLE.

14:15:09 OTHER NEIGHBORS MAY NOT.

14:15:14 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.




14:15:16 SO THIS SHOWS OUR CURRENT COSTS AND HOW THEY ARE DRAWN UP

14:15:20 OVER TIME.

14:15:21 FROM 2012 TO 2020, WHERE WE ARE, LINE ITEMS COST PER LINEAR

14:15:29 FOOT HAS GONE UP.

14:15:33 OUR AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY $75.

14:15:36 AND THE AVERAGE COST PER LINEAR FOOT FOR TYPICAL SIDEWALKS

14:15:41 CONSTRUCTION, THIS NUMBER CAME IN FROM OPERATIONS THAT DOES

14:15:46 A LOT OF SIDEWALK WORK.

14:15:48 OVER 100 SMALL PROJECTS, 40 TO 50-FOOT LENGTH AND THIS DOES

14:15:54 NOT INCLUDE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN.

14:15:56 THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE MITIGATION FOR TREE CONCERNS, THE

14:16:01 ROOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

14:16:03 SO THAT IS THE REAL COST TO CONSTRUCT A LINEAR FOOT OF

14:16:08 SIDEWALK, ASSUMING FIVE FOOT OF SIDEWALK.

14:16:11 SOME YEARS BACK THAT USED TO BE FOUR FEET SO THAT'S ALSO A

14:16:14 DIFFERENCE IN THE COST.

14:16:16 THAT FOUR TO FEET FIVE IS ADA STANDARDS THAT HAVE CHANGED

14:16:20 OVER TIME.

14:16:22 SO THAT'S OUR NUMBER.

14:16:23 $75.

14:16:25 THAT'S A REAL COST.

14:16:26 NEXT SLIDE.

14:16:31 SO WE CAN STOP HERE AND DISCUSS HOW WE DO SIDEWALKS TODAY,

14:16:37 OR I CAN PROCEED.

14:16:39 WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE?




14:16:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET TO

14:16:45 QUESTIONS.

14:16:48 IN MY DISTRICT, OR IN MUCH OF THE CITY, THE BIGGEST REQUEST

14:16:53 OR COMPLAINT OR CONCERN I GET -- IT'S A CONCERN, BUT PEOPLE

14:16:59 ARE ASKING, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS AND WHEN ARE

14:17:01 YOU GOING TO BEHAVE THE ROAD?

14:17:02 YOU DO THAT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. IN WEST

14:17:05 TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE OPEN DITCHES.

14:17:08 WE DON'T HAVE THE MORE MODERN STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT WE DO

14:17:12 IN SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, AND THOSE ARE

14:17:15 VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE IN A LOT OF THESE RESIDENTIAL ROADS,

14:17:19 THEY ARE VERY NARROW STREETS.

14:17:20 AND WITHOUT A SIDEWALK, IT'S NOT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND

14:17:23 IT'S DANGEROUS FOR AUTOMOBILES TURNING.

14:17:26 AND I HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY CARS FALL INTO THESE DIFFERENCE.

14:17:29 YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THE TAMPANIA PROJECT, AND THE

14:17:32 NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE

14:17:34 STREET.

14:17:36 AND IT'S ALARMING TO SEE THE PRICES GOING UP.

14:17:40 IT WAS CHEAP WHEN I GOT A QUOTE FROM MAYOR BUCKHORN, ONE

14:17:46 STREET THAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT SPEEDING AND WHATNOT.

14:17:49 THEY SAID LET'S PUT A SIDEWALK.

14:17:51 AND IT WAS $100,000 JUST FOR THAT ONE ROAD.

14:17:54 WASN'T A VERY LONG ROAD.

14:17:56 AND THEN THE PROJECT WAS SCRAPPED FOR OTHER REASONS.




14:18:00 BUT WHEN TRANSPORTATION WAS PROPOSED AND ONE OF THE MAIN

14:18:04 REASONS WAS WE WOULD HAVE DEDICATED FUNDING FOR 30 YEARS TO

14:18:08 BUILD THESE SIDEWALKS.

14:18:10 AND AGAIN, BUILD THE SIDEWALKS AND PAVE THE ROADS AND A LOT

14:18:14 OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY.

14:18:15 NOT JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD BUT IT'S A MAJOR PUBLIC

14:18:18 SAFETY ISSUE AND CONCERN.

14:18:20 KIDS CAN'T WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY.

14:18:23 FOLKS THAT ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THE

14:18:26 STREET, JUST TO MANEUVER, AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT

14:18:30 CONNECTED AND WHATNOT.

14:18:31 IT'S A DANGEROUS THING ON TOP OF THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS.

14:18:35 I UNDERSTAND.

14:18:37 IT RAINS IN THE SUMMERTIME AND POP HOLES POP UP AND THEY GET

14:18:42 WASHED OUT.

14:18:43 BUT THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS IS TERRIBLE.

14:18:45 THERE ARE SOME ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAID IN 30, 40 YEARS,

14:18:48 AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.

14:18:50 I SAW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S UP.

14:18:52 YES, SIR.

14:18:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

14:18:55 ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT, AND

14:19:00 THAT VIK JUST SPOKE ABOUT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT 2022, THAT

14:19:04 THERE WILL BE NO LONGER THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX MONEY

14:19:08 TO DO THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES THROUGH 2027, 2022, 2023,




14:19:18 AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX.

14:19:25 HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE OBLIGATION ONE

14:19:29 WAY OR THE OTHER WHEN IT'S AT THAT TIME, FROM GAS DRIVEN

14:19:36 AUTOMOBILES TO ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILES, TO START GETTING SOME

14:19:39 UPWARD MOBILITY STANDARDS, IN OTHER WORDS, FROM ONE OR TWO

14:19:43 PERCENT NOW, MAYBE TEN PERCENT OR EVEN GREATER BY THAT TIME,

14:19:46 AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LESS INVESTMENT TAX MONEY OR NONE

14:19:51 AT ALL, AND OPTION GAS TAX WILL BE REDUCING BECAUSE WE ARE

14:19:55 NOT GOING TO GET THE SHARE.

14:20:01 AND THEN YOU GO BACK, AND WE TALK ABOUT FIXING SOMETHING.

14:20:04 YOU GO BACK TO 100 FOOT WIDE LOT, 600, 735 ADDED TO THE COST

14:20:15 OF A HOUSE, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT'S HAPPENING?

14:20:18 THAT 60-FOOT LOT WOULD BE ABOUT $4500.

14:20:22 AND A 50-FOOT LOT WOULD BE 3,750 BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOT.

14:20:31 SO WE ARE INCREASING ALREADY, AND THE COST -- AND I AGREE

14:20:34 WITH WHAT MY GOOD FRIEND VIK SAID -- THAT THE COST HAS

14:20:38 INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY.

14:20:44 MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, NOW IT'S FOUR TO FIVE TIMES

14:20:47 THE AMOUNT OF THAT PRICE.

14:20:48 AND CEMENT HAS GONE UP.

14:20:50 YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING INCLUDING WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLYWOOD, IT

14:20:55 DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN AFFORD IT.

14:20:59 THE COST OF A HOUSE HAS GONE UP, I WOULD THINK, 20, 30,000

14:21:03 JUST ON THE WOOD ALONE.

14:21:04 WE DO ALL OF THAT, AND YOU ADD 4500 FOR 60-FOOT LOT, FOR A




14:21:12 50-FOOT LOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO CALL ANYTHING

14:21:16 AFFORDABLE.

14:21:16 WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT WORD TO USE ANYMORE.

14:21:20 AND I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE.

14:21:21 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OPEN DITCHES.

14:21:24 SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

14:21:27 THERE'S SOME THAT SAY THAT THEY WANT THAT IN LIEU OF. IN

14:21:32 LIEU OF WHAT?

14:21:33 YOU HAVE A DITCH.

14:21:34 AND YOU HAVE NO PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

14:21:36 ARE WE GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TO BUILD A SIDEWALK

14:21:40 THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP A DITCH TO WALK 60 OR 70 OR 100 FEET

14:21:45 AND THEN JUMP BACK OUT?

14:21:48 I WOULD RATHER SEE CONNECTIVITY ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY

14:21:51 THERE, MAKE IT SIMPLER, AND AT LEAST THE EYES CAN SEE THAT

14:21:55 YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK FOR A BLOCK.

14:21:59 SO WE MUST HAVE SOMETHING.

14:22:01 AND WE DON'T NEED A PROFESSIONAL STUDY.

14:22:03 SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO WALK THE STREET AND DIAGRAM HOW

14:22:07 MUCH, OR MAYBE ONE OF THOSE DRONES TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH

14:22:13 SIDEWALK YOU HAVE IN A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO IT

14:22:15 OURSELVES AND SAVE SOME MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A WAY OUT

14:22:19 OF DOING THIS IN ANY EQUALITY, SO THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE

14:22:24 TO PAY MORE AND THEN GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK.

14:22:29 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, AND YOU ARE GOING TO




14:22:31 PAY IN LIEU OF, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THAT PERSON?

14:22:36 WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU HAVE A DITCH

14:22:39 IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU ARE STILL GOING TO PAY TO MOVE WHEN

14:22:46 YOU BUILD A HOUSE?

14:22:47 THOSE ARE THINGS I DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I'M SURE

14:22:50 THE REST DO THE SAME.

14:22:52 SO IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE GOT TO FIX.

14:22:53 AND IT SEEMS SO EASY.

14:22:57 THE COSTS ARE SKYROCKETING.

14:23:00 THE LAND COST IS SKYROCKETING.

14:23:01 YOU CAN'T BUY A LOT IN TAMPA FOR LESS THAN 100,000.

14:23:10 SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS, HOW IS ANYONE, EVEN IF BOTH

14:23:15 HUSBAND AND WIFE ARE WORKING, GET SOMETHING GOING AND THEY

14:23:20 ARE WORKING, WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE, IT'S ALMOST

14:23:26 IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BUY A HOUSE.

14:23:28 AND ONLY THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT, ABOUT YOU THOSE THAT

14:23:31 CAN'T NOT AFFORD IT, AND WE NEED ANSWERS AND I AM ASKING FOR

14:23:35 SOME HELP TO FIND THE ANSWERS.

14:23:36 THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

14:23:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN COUNCILMAN

14:23:40 GUDES.

14:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS MORNING I CALLED VIK AND I SAID,

14:23:43 VIK, WHERE IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IN-LIEU FEE?

14:23:46 AND HE SAID, OH, THAT'S THE SECOND AND THIRD PART OF HIS

14:23:49 PRESENTATION?




14:23:50 SO I THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS COMING, AND IT'S A GOOD

14:23:52 DISCUSSION, MR. MIRANDA, AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.

14:23:54 I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IT.

14:23:56 BUT MY QUESTION AS RELATED TO WHAT WE HAVE HEARD ALREADY IS,

14:24:00 VIK, YOU SORT OF GAVE IT AS A GIVEN THAT THE VIP MONEY IS

14:24:04 GOING TO BE GOING AWAY IN 2022.

14:24:06 WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

14:24:09 AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, DOES YOUR $75 INCLUDE PROJECT

14:24:14 MANAGEMENT COSTS?

14:24:15 >>VIK BHIDE: SO THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE

14:24:23 WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE.

14:24:26 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FUNDING RUNS OUT.

14:24:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE FUNDING RUNS OUT FIVE YEARS LATER,

14:24:32 MR. MIRANDA SAID, LIKE IN 2025 OR 2027.

14:24:35 SO WHY 2022?

14:24:38 WHO IS MAKING THAT DECISION?

14:24:40 I THOUGHT CITY COUNCIL WAS THE ONE WHO ESTABLISHES THE CIP

14:24:45 EVERY YEAR.

14:24:47 JEAN DUNCAN.

14:24:48 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YOU CAN --

14:24:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU HELP US, JEAN?

14:24:58 >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES.

14:24:59 WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE THAT THERE IS A

14:25:02 LONGER LIST, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE

14:25:09 THINK ARE GOING TO WIN OUT OVER SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE IN THE




14:25:14 PUBLIC SAFETY AREA OF OUR NEED.

14:25:16 SO IT'S NOT 100% DECIDED YET, AND GO THROUGH BUDGET PROCESS

14:25:23 TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS OF THE COUNCIL, BUT WE ARE

14:25:27 APPARENTLY LOW ON THAT PRIORITY LIST AT THIS TIME.

14:25:30 SO WE LIKE TO PLAN FOR THE WORST.

14:25:35 WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE

14:25:39 BEST, IS BASICALLY WHAT VIK IS SAYING WHEN HE SAYS THOSE

14:25:42 FUND ARE GOING TO GO AWAY.

14:25:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I KNOW AT LEAST THIS COUNCILMAN IS

14:25:47 GOING TO KEEP A REAL CLOSE EYE ON THAT ISSUE ON THE CIP,

14:25:53 BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HEAR ABOUT, YOU

14:25:57 KNOW, ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.

14:26:00 I NOT JUST THIS ONE GROUP, WALK/BIKE, THAT'S DOING A GOOD

14:26:07 JOB.

14:26:08 WE ALL HEAR ABOUT SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME AND THE ENACT WE

14:26:11 MIGHT DEFUND THEM SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO PAVE ROADS OR WHAT

14:26:14 HAVE YOU?

14:26:14 I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG DIRECTION.

14:26:17 I WOULD HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD AGREE.

14:26:20 SO MY OTHER QUESTION, VIK, WAS PERHAPS AN EASIER ONE, WAS

14:26:23 THE $75 PER FOOT INCLUDE ADMINISTRATIVE AND PROJECT

14:26:28 MANAGEMENT COSTS?

14:26:29 THANK YOU, JEAN.

14:26:30 >>VIK BHIDE: NO, IT DOES NOT.

14:26:38 IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MANAGEMENT COST OR DESIGN.




14:26:41 THAT'S ABOVE THE $75.

14:26:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH YOUR

14:26:46 SPREADSHEET, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS WERE NOT

14:26:48 INSIGNIFICANT.

14:26:48 I SAW $50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COST.

14:26:53 >>VIK BHIDE: THE DELIVERY MECHANISM AS WELL, SO CONSULTANT,

14:27:02 AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS ARE HIGHER, BRINGING IT

14:27:07 IN-HOUSE IS MUCH LOWER.

14:27:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT IT STILL EXISTS NO MATTER WHAT.

14:27:11 >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY.

14:27:12 THEN THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP BECAUSE THOSE ARE A PERCENTAGE

14:27:16 OF THE OVERALL.

14:27:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING

14:27:20 ABOUT THE IN-LIEU ISSUE THAT MR. MIRANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT,

14:27:24 I GUESS WHAT MR. BHIDE FINISHES HIS PRESENTATION.

14:27:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

14:27:28 AND WE HAVE COUNCILMAN GUDES.

14:27:30 COUNCILMAN CITRO.

14:27:31 COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

14:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU MENTIONED $75.

14:27:39 I KNOW A LOT OF GUYS WHO DO SIDEWALKS, AND $75 A SQUARE

14:27:44 FOOT?

14:27:47 THAT'S A LOT.

14:27:49 I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN -- ASTRONOMICAL FEES.

14:27:54 WE PAY MORE OUT OF THE CITY BUDGET FOR STUDIES AND ALL THESE




14:27:59 DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

14:28:03 SOME OF THIS STUFF, I'M NOT PICKING ON ADMINISTRATION.

14:28:08 BUT TO ME, IF I SEE A BROKEN SIDEWALK, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO

14:28:12 HAVE A STUDY?

14:28:14 ALL THESE THINGS THAT'S COSTING US MONEY WHEN I CAN HAVE A

14:28:17 CREW GO OUT THERE, OR SAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET NO YEAR,

14:28:24 AND GO OUT AND DO SOME SIDEWALKS.

14:28:26 600 CUSTOMERS ARE WAITING ON A WAITING LIST.

14:28:31 HOW ARE YOU GOING GET 600 PEOPLE AT $75 A SQUARE FOOT, CIP

14:28:38 MONEY WILL STOP.

14:28:39 I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.

14:28:42 600 PEOPLE, WHAT YOUR SCHEMATIC SAYS, ARE WAITING FOR SOME

14:28:46 TYPE OF SIDEWALK REPAIR.

14:28:49 SO I AM JUST WONDERING, HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT?

14:28:56 I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

14:28:57 I HEAR TALK, AND I HEAR TALK, BUT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT

14:29:02 WHERE IS THE SOLUTION?

14:29:03 BECAUSE TO ME, NEGOTIATING SOME PEOPLE, BUT $75 A SQUARE

14:29:11 FOOT, 600 CUSTOMERS A WEEK.

14:29:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.

14:29:23 >>VIK BHIDE: WE DO HAVE A BUDGET SHORTFALL.

14:29:28 MORE THAN HALF OF OUR ROADS ARE IN SATISFACTORY TO POOR

14:29:33 CONDITION.

14:29:34 WE KNOW THAT.

14:29:36 AND THAT IS TIED TO THE BUDGET.




14:29:39 A BIG PORTION OF OUR TRANSPORTATION BUDGET, AND YET WE ARE

14:29:43 IN A VERY BIG HOLE.

14:29:46 AND IT'S NOT JUST SIDEWALKS.

14:29:51 I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER BEYOND WE NEED MORE FUNDING TO

14:29:54 MAKE SURE WE CLEAR OUT THE BACKLOG.

14:29:57 AND AS FAR AS THE STUDY GOES, THE STUDY THAT WE ARE DOING

14:30:00 WAS REALLY THREE FOLD.

14:30:04 ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S PRIORITIES ARE,

14:30:08 AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THE LISTEN FIRST.

14:30:10 AND SKIP OVER THAT PART AND TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

14:30:15 THE OTHER ASPECT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE IN

14:30:20 THE COMMUNITY AND APPLYING KNOWLEDGE BASED PARAMETERS WITH

14:30:27 PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS, OR HOSPITALS, AND TRANSIT CONNECTION,

14:30:33 LIKE ROADWAY, ARTERIALS, THAT HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE USED

14:30:43 MORE BY PEOPLE THAN MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

14:30:45 SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

14:30:48 THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT ULTIMATELY, THE REASON WE ARE DOING

14:30:54 THE STUDY NOW AND PREVIOUSLY, WAS BECAUSE THERE'S NO FUNDING

14:31:00 ON THE HORIZON.

14:31:02 PLANS GO BAD OVER TIME.

14:31:04 SO WHEN YOU ENGAGE IN A PLANNING EXERCISE THERE, HAS TO BE

14:31:09 SOME SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU TO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO

14:31:16 BRING IT AND THE PLAN TOGETHER.

14:31:18 BUT IF IT DIDN'T PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY, WE ARE ALSO GETTING

14:31:24 STRONG SIGNALS FROM WASHINGTON AS WELL AS TALLAHASSEE THAT




14:31:27 THERE MAY BE FUNDING FORTHCOMING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

14:31:30 SO THAT PLANNING, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL TO

14:31:34 BE DONE RIGHT NOW.

14:31:36 BUT AS THINGS STAND TODAY, LOOKING AT OUR BALANCE SHEET

14:31:40 TODAY, YES, WE ARE IN A HOLE AS FAR AS ROADS AND SIDEWALKS

14:31:44 ARE CONCERNED.

14:31:45 THERE'S NO DOUBT.

14:31:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT SOUND ALL GOOD AND I APPRECIATE IT.

14:31:50 BUT MY OPINION IS 600.

14:31:52 SO WITHIN THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK CREW THAT CAN

14:31:55 GO OUT AND PUT MUD AND REPLACE THE SIDEWALKS SO PEOPLE WHO

14:31:59 HAVE CRACKS, IS EVERYTHING OUTSOURCED? ARE WE DOING THAT,

14:32:04 DO WE HAVE A CREW THAT CAN GO OUT AND THEY SEE A SIDEWALK,

14:32:07 YOU BUST IT UP, YOU TAKE THE MEASURES, YOU LAY THE MUD, AND

14:32:10 KEEP IT MOVING?

14:32:11 DO WE HAVE THAT OR WE DON'T?

14:32:15 >>VIK BHIDE: WE USE CONTRACTORS FOR THE MOST PART.

14:32:18 WE ALSO USE IN-HOUSE FOR SMALL REPAIRS.

14:32:22 AND WE TRY TO USE OUR CREWS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

14:32:28 THE BIG CHALLENGE WITH DOING THINGS IN-HOUSE AND NOT USING A

14:32:34 CONTRACTOR, OR EVEN VICE VERSA, IS ALSO WHAT IS THE FUNDING

14:32:39 LEVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE?

14:32:42 THAT'S ONE.

14:32:42 THE OTHER, WHAT IS THE STAFF LEVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE?

14:32:46 AND FROM 2008, WE HAVE BEEN DOING MORE WITH LESS FOR A LONG




14:32:54 TIME NOW.

14:32:55 AND WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

14:32:57 WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

14:32:59 BUT WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

14:33:02 THAT IS THE CORE OF OUR CONCERN.

14:33:04 WE HAVE LOOKED AT MANY WAYS OF BEING MORE EFFICIENT WITH

14:33:06 WHAT WE DO, AND WHAT FUNDING LEVELS WE HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T

14:33:11 TAB AWAY FROM THE LARGER PROBLEM.

14:33:13 AND IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OPTIMIZATION YOU CAN

14:33:19 DO IN AN OPERATION.

14:33:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND LIKE I TELL PEOPLE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT

14:33:24 THE BIG THINGS THAT MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY, IT'S THE SMALL

14:33:27 THINGS.

14:33:28 AND SIDEWALKS ARE A SMALL THINGS TO PEOPLE.

14:33:31 AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LOOKING AT DOING SOME

14:33:36 SMALL CREWS, TO SEE IF SOME OF THE OTHER SMALL ORGANIZATIONS

14:33:39 THAT SHALL HAVE GUYS THAT CAN PUT THE WORK AND GO OUT THERE

14:33:42 AND DO SMALL SIDEWALKS, AT BETTER COSTS THAN WHAT WE DO

14:33:50 OUTSOURCES FOR, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT DO THE

14:33:54 WORK, WHATEVER, BUT SOME OF THESE COSTS ARE ASTRONOMICAL,

14:33:59 BUT TO SAY WE HAVE 600 PEOPLE ON A LIST, AND I KNOW THAT

14:34:04 SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS HAVE CRACKED.

14:34:06 I DON'T SEE IT TAKING A LOT TO GO OUT THERE.

14:34:09 I USED TO DO THAT WITH MY UNCLE, GO OUT AND BUST A SIDEWALK

14:34:13 UP AND LAY SOME MUD.




14:34:17 EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS.

14:34:18 SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHEEL AGAIN, DON'T REINVENT

14:34:24 IT, BUT HAVE COMMON SENSE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN

14:34:28 DO.

14:34:31 I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.

14:34:33 THANK YOU.

14:34:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN CITRO.

14:34:36 WHY DOESN'T THE CITY CREATE A DEDICATED SIDEWALK DEPARTMENT?

14:34:41 YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT.

14:34:42 DO THE WORK OURSELVES, HIRE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS.

14:34:45 WE TALK ABOUT CREATING JOBS, PUTTING A FEW PEOPLE TO WORK.

14:34:49 I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID IT ONE TIME, WHEN THEY SEE A

14:34:52 GOVERNMENT CONTRACT, THE PRICES GO UP, AND THEY TAKE

14:34:54 ADVANTAGE OF IT.

14:34:55 WHEN WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES, IN-HOUSE TRAINING AND IN-HOUSE

14:35:00 WORK, I'M SURE THE CITY HAD TO HAVE, YEARS AGO, MAYBE UNDER

14:35:05 NUCCIO, MAYBE UNDER A MAYOR A HALF A CENTURY AGO, DEDICATED

14:35:10 SIDEWALK DIVISION OR SOMETHING, ALONG WITH STREET PAVING.

14:35:13 SO COUNCILMAN CITRO.

14:35:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

14:35:17 VIK, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN THE MOBILITY

14:35:19 DEPARTMENT.

14:35:20 YOU ARE MY GO-TO GUY WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING MOBILITY, AND

14:35:24 I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME SO FAR.

14:35:26 I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ALLOWING ME TO GO TO




14:35:32 THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DIRECTLY AND THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE THE

14:35:37 ADMINISTRATION THAT WE HAVE NOW FOR THAT.

14:35:41 MY CONCERN, VIK, AND I SPOKE WITH YOU MANY, MANY TIMES,

14:35:45 BECAUSE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD IS NOT BUSING

14:35:47 STUDENTS WITHIN A TWO-MAIL RADIUS OF ANY SCHOOL, WE HAVE

14:35:51 CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET TO GET TO SCHOOL.

14:35:56 NOT ONLY IN WEST TAMPA, NOT ONLY IN EAST TAMPA, NOT ONLY IN

14:36:00 SOUTH TAMPA, BUT ALL OVER THE CITY.

14:36:04 I DON'T WANT TO SEE MOTHERS PUSHING THEIR CARRIAGES IN THE

14:36:08 STREET.

14:36:10 NOW, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS WHY WE

14:36:14 CAN AND CANNOT PUT SIDEWALKS IN.

14:36:17 TREES, DITCHES.

14:36:18 I UNDERSTAND.

14:36:20 BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WHEN WE STOP HAVING

14:36:25 CONTRACTORS PUT IN A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE, I

14:36:33 UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE FOR OUR SIDEWALKS, THAT THE

14:36:36 SIDEWALK IS NOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW ARE WE GOING

14:36:38 TO MAINTAIN IT?

14:36:40 NOW COMES THE QUESTION.

14:36:41 THERE IS A BUNCH OF CITIES DOING IMPERVIOUS SIDEWALKS NOW.

14:36:50 THERE IS A RUBBER TRACK ON MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE THAT

14:36:55 STRETCHES FOR MILES.

14:36:57 AND THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN GOING ON THE BASE

14:37:00 FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, NOTHING HAS RUINED THAT.




14:37:06 WE ARE TALKING CONCRETE.

14:37:08 MY VISION IS TO GET CHILDREN OFF THE STREET, GET MOTHERS OFF

14:37:13 THE STREET PUSHING THEIR STROLLERS.

14:37:16 IS THERE ANY OTHER MATERIAL THAT WE CAN USE THAT DON'T COST

14:37:20 $75 A LINEAR FOOT THAT IS IMPERVIOUS WHERE THE ROOTS OF

14:37:27 TREES STILL GET THEIR WATER AND ARE DISRUPTED?

14:37:31 FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, VIK, BUT IS THERE SOME OTHER MATERIAL

14:37:34 THAT WE CAN USE TO MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND ONTO

14:37:37 SIDEWALKS TO MAKE IT SAFE?

14:37:39 >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

14:37:42 AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

14:37:45 THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS TO BUILD SIDEWALKS WITH.

14:37:49 THEY ARE RUBBERIZED MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE SHOCK ABSORBENT

14:37:53 AND IMPERVIOUS AS WELL, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS, WE HAVE

14:38:01 IN THE PAST, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR NATURAL

14:38:08 RESOURCES TEAM, AND THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING DIVISION,

14:38:11 TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO ROLL THE SIDEWALKS THAT

14:38:18 WE NEED WITHIN THE CITY?

14:38:21 AND ALSO MAINTAIN OUR STREET GRID, AND ALSO FROM THE

14:38:26 TRANSPORTATION FUNCTION.

14:38:31 THE RIGHT SHAPE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND --

14:38:40 >>> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

14:38:42 DO YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP?

14:38:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY GOT AN ANSWER FROM

14:38:47 VIK.




14:38:47 IF I COULD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I WAS JUST ASKING, WHAT

14:38:51 OTHER WAYS CAN WE POSSIBLY HAVE?

14:38:56 TO HAVE A SIDEWALK SYSTEM, CONCRETE OR OTHERWISE?

14:38:58 >>VIK BHIDE: THE THREE WAYS THAT I MENTIONED RIGHT NOW ARE

14:39:05 THE ONES THAT COME TO MIND BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER

14:39:08 CITIES ARE DOING.

14:39:08 WE ARE NOT ALONE WITH THIS CHALLENGE FUNDINGWISE AND WE WILL

14:39:14 COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU WHAT WE FIND, IF YOU WISH, IN

14:39:19 ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

14:39:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, VIK.

14:39:22 THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

14:39:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO GO?

14:39:28 OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT?

14:39:29 CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION THEN.

14:39:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GETTING BACK TO THE SIDEWALK, THE SHERIFF

14:39:39 HAS A WORK PROGRAM NOW, PRISONERS HAVE WORK PROGRAMS.

14:39:43 MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE RETURNING BACK AND GETTING

14:39:48 INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN GET SOME HELP AND CUT COSTS

14:39:53 IN THAT WAY BY GOING TO THE SHERIFF, ASKING THE WORK CREW TO

14:39:57 HELP US WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THE SMALL PROJECTS TO

14:40:01 CUT OUR COSTS DOWN.

14:40:03 AND THAT WAY, PEOPLE GET A TRADE.

14:40:07 NOW YOU HAVE A JOB,

14:40:11 SO EXPLORE THOSE TYPES OF OPTIONS, TOO, TO GET THE 600,

14:40:17 BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS.




14:40:18 WE CAN'T BE AFRAID TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND GIVE

14:40:22 EVERYONE A HAND.

14:40:23 I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BY GETTING WITH THE SHERIFF, GETTING

14:40:25 WITH DOC, AND THEY HAVE GOT TO LAY MUD.

14:40:34 WITH THIS ASTRONOMICAL FEE, SUPERVISED BY THE SHERIFF,

14:40:38 SUPERVISED BY DOC, AND GET OUT THERE AND WORK ON SOME OF

14:40:42 THESE PROJECTS.

14:40:42 THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

14:40:43 I SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN OTHER CITIES THEY DO IT.

14:40:46 SO JUST A THOUGHT.

14:40:47 >>VIK BHIDE: I APPRECIATE IT, COUNCILMAN.

14:40:50 AND WE WILL THINK OUTSIDE THE BOCA CIEGA AND COME UP WITH

14:40:53 CREATIVE IDEAS.

14:40:55 I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH TRAFFIC

14:40:59 SIGNALS AND OTHER PROJECTS.

14:41:05 STARTING THIS YEAR, WE ARE SHIFTING FROM THE LIVE CAPITAL

14:41:10 PROJECTS, MAKING ONE OR TWO, WHICH ARE ALSO IMPORTANT

14:41:14 BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS FALLING APART IN SOME CASES,

14:41:18 TO QUICK BUILD PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO DO MORE

14:41:22 PROJECTS, MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW,

14:41:27 TO REACH THE COMMUNITY AND DO WHAT WE CAN.

14:41:30 AND ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WITHIN THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR, OR

14:41:36 RATHER FROM LAST MARCH TO THIS MARCH, WE HAVE CONVERTED 73

14:41:45 INTERSECTIONS TO CONTROL.

14:41:48 THE CONTRACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR




14:41:50 PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.

14:41:52 SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN, AND WE'LL LOOK FOR CREATIVE

14:41:57 IDEAS.

14:41:58 AND WITH SIGNALS WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE STARTED PUTTING IN

14:42:02 TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNALS, SUPERVISED TRAFFIC CONTROLS,

14:42:06 UNTIL WE CAN BUILD TOGETHER IN THE BUDGET LIKE WITH SIDEWALK

14:42:11 FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL.

14:42:13 SO WE'LL DO THE SAME WITH SIDEWALKS.

14:42:16 I MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.

14:42:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.

14:42:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE ON WITH THE PRESENTATION.

14:42:21 >>VIK BHIDE: NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:42:25 SO THIS -- AND I WILL MOVE FAST THROUGH THIS.

14:42:34 NEXT SLIDE.

14:42:36 AGAIN, THIS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, MORE DANGEROUS

14:42:41 REGION FOR BIKES AND PEDS.

14:42:47 WE WON'T GET INTO THAT.

14:42:48 NEXT SLIDE.

14:42:51 TAMPA MOVES PROGRAM.

14:42:54 YOU HAVE PRESENTED WITH THE BASICS, BUT THE IDEA OF THIS

14:42:57 PROGRAM IS DRIVEN BY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND DRIVEN BY THE

14:43:03 FACT THAT WE ARE RAPIDLY GROWING AND NEED TO KEEP UP WITH

14:43:08 THE CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME.

14:43:10 SO THE PLAN ITSELF IS A 30-YEAR VISION FOR MOBILITY.

14:43:17 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.




14:43:21 THE FIRST ASPECT OF THIS PLAN IS LISTEN FIRST SESSION, AS

14:43:27 THESE THINGS COME ON.

14:43:29 AND THE IDEA AGAIN IS THE STANDARD AND PRIORITIES, AND

14:43:38 CREATE A VISION OR TEMPLATE TO THE POINT THAT THE COUNCILMAN

14:43:42 MADE EARLIER, THAT IF WE KNOW WHAT GOES WHERE BASED ON WHAT

14:43:46 THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WE CAN PROGRAM THINGS A LITTLE BETTER.

14:43:51 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:43:52 THESE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

14:43:55 MOBILITY FOR ALL.

14:43:56 OPPORTUNITY.

14:43:58 VISION.

14:43:58 EQUITY.

14:44:00 AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

14:44:02 NEXT SLIDE.

14:44:06 AND THESE ARE KIND OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE ARE

14:44:10 LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HOW WE PRIORITIZE.

14:44:13 WE PRIORITIZE REGIONAL ROUTES, BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE ARE

14:44:17 MORE PEDESTRIAN, THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, AND THE NEXT

14:44:21 THING, EXISTING SIDEWALKS.

14:44:25 PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, SCHOOLS, ADA ACCESS, COMMUNITIES

14:44:31 CONCERNED FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT.

14:44:36 WE MAY NOT RECEIVE THAT MANY COMPLAINTS FROM CERTAIN

14:44:38 COMMUNITIES BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

14:44:42 AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE FLEXIBILITY -- PROXIMITY ACROSS

14:44:49 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PUBLIC SAFETY.




14:44:51 SO PRIORITIZING HIGH SPEED ROADS, EVEN AS WE WORK TO CALM

14:44:57 THOSE DOWN IN DECIDE AND SPEED REDUCTION AND OTHER MEASURES.

14:45:01 AND CERTAINLY ESTABLISHING VISION ZERO CORRIDORS.

14:45:05 NEXT SLIDE.

14:45:10 THESE ARE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE.

14:45:16 HERE ACROSS TWO CATEGORIES AND WEIGHTED.

14:45:18 THE EXACT WEIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED AFTER THE PROCESS IS

14:45:24 COMPLETE BUT THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS.

14:45:27 AND EVEN AS WE SPEAK, WE ARE HOLDING THESE LISTENING

14:45:30 SESSIONS TO ADD ANY OTHER PARAMETERS OR ANY PERFORMANCE

14:45:35 MEASURES.

14:45:36 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:45:40 THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE IS MUCH

14:45:42 MORE NEED, EVEN IF THERE ISN'T A LOT OF COMPLAINTS IN OUR

14:45:46 600 PLUS CONCERNS.

14:45:50 NEXT SLIDE.

14:45:53 AND THAT'S THE END OF THIS SECTION.

14:45:56 ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION MORE "MOVES"?

14:46:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO?

14:46:05 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?

14:46:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

14:46:07 AND I KNOW THIS MEETING WITH THE CRA, AND PROSPECTIVE NEEDS

14:46:18 BUT IN SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED, AS YOU

14:46:20 WELL KNOW, THE CRA IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US THAT LIVE

14:46:28 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.




14:46:29 POSSIBLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THE CRA THAT MANAGE

14:46:32 THE CRA, THAT GUIDE THE CRA THROUGH THE FUNDING MECHANISM,

14:46:37 AND FOR WORK DELIVERED.

14:46:40 I WOULD HOPE BY LISTENING TO THIS TODAY, AND POSSIBLY THEY

14:46:43 CAN PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THEIR PRODUCT BEING ASKED INTO

14:46:48 THE SIDEWALK PLAN TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

14:46:50 AND I AM NOT TRYING TO TELL THEM OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I AM

14:46:56 JUST ASKING FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IT, TAKE A REAL GOOD LOOK AT

14:46:58 THE AREA THAT THEY REPRESENT, FIND OUT THROUGH YOUR WORK,

14:47:03 FIND OUT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED WITHIN THE C, AND

14:47:06 SEE IF WE CAN HELP THEM HELP THEMSELVES BY HAVING SOME OF

14:47:10 THAT MONEY, NOT ALL OF IT, OF COURSE, BUT SOME OF THAT

14:47:13 MONEY, 30% TO GO INTO SIDEWALKS.

14:47:15 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

14:47:16 I'M NOT AGAINST SIDEWALKS.

14:47:17 I'M FOR SIDEWALKS IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER.

14:47:20 AND I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE FACING A LOT OF CHALLENGES FROM YOU

14:47:25 BUILT A SIDEWALK OR YOU FIX A STREET.

14:47:28 AND I UNDERSTAND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO

14:47:33 START -- DO THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS, ANY CONNECTIVITY?

14:47:39 HOW FAR IS IT?

14:47:41 HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS DO THEY NEED WITHIN A SQUARE BLOCK?

14:47:43 IF JUST ONE PERSON OR TWO PERSONS COULD GET TOGETHER YOU

14:47:46 COULD HAVE AT LEAST AN IDEA.

14:47:48 I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE.




14:47:51 BUT IF YOU PUT THOSE FIGURES OVER, COULD YOU FIND OUT

14:47:54 EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED WITH VERY LITTLE MONEY.

14:47:57 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

14:47:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES.

14:48:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. MIRANDA.

14:48:04 FOR YEARS THE EAST TAMPA CRA HAS GIVEN MONEY TO

14:48:06 TRANSPORTATION TO DO ROADS.

14:48:08 AND THAT'S WHAT KEPT EAST TAMPA A LITTLE BIT.

14:48:13 WE STILL HAVE SO CHALLENGES BUT EACH YEAR THEY HAVE GIVEN

14:48:16 MONEY.

14:48:16 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALIGN ITEM IN THE CRA EAST TAMPA.

14:48:20 THERE USED TO BE ALIGN ITEM REFERENCE TO SIDEWALKS.

14:48:23 AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO SAYING, THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE, AS

14:48:28 MR. MIRANDA SAID, THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY IS FOR,

14:48:30 INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.

14:48:31 CITY CAN'T DO IT ALL BUT THAT MONEY ISN'T GOING INTO THE

14:48:34 GENERAL FUND, IT'S GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY FROM THE CRA TO

14:48:38 BE UTILIZED FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.

14:48:40 AND WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WE HAVE WEST TAMPA, A COUPLE OF

14:48:44 FOLKS ABOUT THOSE SAME ISSUES.

14:48:45 I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN TALK TO MS. VAN LOAN TO SEE WHAT

14:48:48 THOSE LINE ITEMS ARE, IDENTIFY THOSE COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE

14:48:51 CRA TO START DOING SIDEWALKS.

14:48:52 BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHEN I SAY APPRENTICESHIP,

14:48:56 ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND LOOKING AT THE SHERIFF AND DOC TO BE




14:49:01 ABLE TO HELP IN THOSE CRAs, BECAUSE FROM THEY'RE MIGHT BE

14:49:05 A CERTAIN GUIDELINE OR WHATEVER, BUT THE CRA DOESN'T.

14:49:08 AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS TO WORK, WHO KNOW HOW TO

14:49:15 LEAVE MUD AND GET SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE.

14:49:17 AGAIN LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES IN THIS POINT.

14:49:19 THANK YOU AGAIN, SIR.

14:49:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR

14:49:28 PRESENTATION, OR DO YOU STILL HAVE MORE?

14:49:30 >>VIK BHIDE: I STILL HAVE --

14:49:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, I'LL WAIT TILL THE END.

14:49:35 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

14:49:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

14:49:39 >>VIK BHIDE: NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:49:40 IN THIS SECTION WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED

14:49:44 CHANGES, OR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS FROM WALK/BIKE TAMPA, AND

14:49:50 OUR REVIEW.

14:49:51 NEXT SLIDE.

14:49:54 SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH WALK/BIKE TAMPA OVER

14:49:57 THE LAST, I WOULD SAY, ABOUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

14:50:01 IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT THEY BROUGHT OUT.

14:50:04 AND THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE.

14:50:09 I THANK WALK/BIKE TAMPA FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FORE,

14:50:14 BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT IN-HOUSE FOR

14:50:18 SURE, BESIDES JUST THE POLICIES AS WELL.

14:50:23 WE ALSO MET WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, AND HAD




14:50:29 A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM SUBSEQUENT TO THAT AS WELL,

14:50:31 AND OF COURSE WE HAVE WORKED WITH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS

14:50:33 WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

14:50:36 PRIMARILY, OUR DEVELOPMENT IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR WHAT

14:50:42 USED TO BE THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION, BECAUSE THEY

14:50:45 DO A LOT OF THE PERMITTING FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

14:50:53 FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT IMPACT,

14:51:00 THE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS ALMOST ALWAYS BUILD SIDEWALKS.

14:51:03 I THINK FROM 2013 THROUGH 2021, THERE'S BEEN MANY ADA

14:51:10 PROJECTS, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, IN THE IN-LIEU OPTION,

14:51:20 BIKE/WALK.

14:51:22 NEXT SLIDE.

14:51:22 THIS IS THE DATA WE RECEIVED, THE CHART FROM THE RIGHT,

14:51:28 DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THAT BASICALLY SHOWS

14:51:30 RESIDENTIAL NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ADDITION, AND THE PERMIT

14:51:35 WITH AND WITHOUT SIDEWALKS.

14:51:38 AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2020, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THE DATA SHOWS IS

14:51:44 THAT 35 DEVELOPMENTS THAT NEVER RECEIVE IN-LIEU FEES WHICH

14:51:53 MEANS THEY WANT TO BE AN REPLY FOR IT, AND AT THE END OF THE

14:51:56 PROJECT, THEY PAID FOR IT BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR CERTIFICATE

14:52:02 OF OCCUPANCY.

14:52:03 THE OTHER 2021, AND 2020, WAS JUST A LINE ON THE BAR CHART.

14:52:10 THAT REPRESENTS ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT

14:52:16 DID NOT FORMALLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IN-LIEU.

14:52:20 SO THEY EITHER BUILT SIDEWALKS, OR THEY MAY HAVE NOT BUILT




14:52:27 THE SIDEWALK FOR AN EXEMPTION.

14:52:31 AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DATA MORE IN-DEPTH AS WELL.

14:52:35 I KNOW THAT OUR PARTNERS ARE WORKING ON AN UPGRADE TO ACCELA

14:52:40 WITH DOCUMENTS, A LOT OF THE DATA, AND WILL REQUIRE ABOUT 6

14:52:45 TO 9 MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL DEALS WITHIN

14:52:52 ACCELA TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THIS DATA BETTER, AND OF COURSE

14:52:56 ANY CODE REVISION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CODIFIED.

14:53:02 BUT THE STORY HERE IN ESSENCE IS THAT IT'S RESIDENTIAL UNITS

14:53:08 FOR THE MOST PART THAT ARE CONSIDERED FOR THE IN-LIEU

14:53:13 PROCESS, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALMOST ALWAYS BUILD

14:53:22 SIDEWALKS.

14:53:23 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:53:25 SO THE PROPOSED CODE MODIFICATIONS FOR WALK/BIKE TAMPA.

14:53:31 THE FIRST ONE WAS AN AMENDMENT OR MODIFICATION TO SECTION

14:53:35 22-103 AND THIS RELATES TO REQUIRING SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION

14:53:43 WITHIN TWO MILES SCHOOL.

14:53:45 OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS CHANGE ISN'T NEEDED BECAUSE

14:53:50 IT'S A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT.

14:53:53 CURRENT CODE ALREADY REQUIRES THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL AND

14:53:56 COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES MUST BUILD A SIDEWALK, UNLESS THERE

14:54:00 ARE EXEMPTIONS, OR UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHERS.

14:54:09 SO THIS PART IS ALREADY COVER.

14:54:12 THE OTHER PART, IF WE DID APPLY OUR RULES, IN ESSENCE THAT

14:54:15 WOULD REQUIRE COVER THE ENTIRE CITY, THE UNFINISHED SECTION,

14:54:21 IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.




14:54:24 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:54:34 SO THE NEXT CODE MODIFICATION, THIS IS THE CONNECTIVITY

14:54:38 ISSUE, SO IF YOU ARE BUILDING A HOME ON THE STREET WHERE

14:54:42 THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ALREADY, HAVING SAID BEFORE 40-FOOT

14:54:49 OF SIDEWALK ISN'T GOING TO HELP THAT STREET AS MUCH.

14:54:53 WE DO HAVE CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION,

14:54:57 AND WE RECOMMEND ADVISING TO ALLOW IN-LIEU FEE PAYMENT IF

14:55:05 THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS PRESENT ALONG THE PROPERTY.

14:55:08 BUT THIS DOES NEED A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION.

14:55:14 WITH UNHOUSE TEAMS AND SO ON.

14:55:17 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:55:22 AND THIS WAS 22-103, AND A-3, AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA, A

14:55:37 RECOMMENDATION FOR EXEMPTION FOR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NOT

14:55:42 LOCAL STREETS.

14:55:43 STAFF RECOMMENDS ALSO PROVIDING DEVELOPERS WITH AN OPTION,

14:55:50 BASICALLY CONSTRUCT AN EQUAL LENGTH OF SIDEWALK AT A HIGHER

14:55:54 PRIORITY LOCATION.

14:55:55 THE PRIORITY WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN PART OF THE MOVES

14:55:59 PROCESS.

14:55:59 THIS GIVES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

14:56:01 BUT IT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.

14:56:05 BUT THIS WILL BRING FLEXIBILITY TO THE PROGRAM, AND ALSO

14:56:08 ENSURE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE ACTUALLY GETTING BUILT.

14:56:12 WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO DIRECT THEM TO A CENTRAL LOCATION

14:56:17 TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.




14:56:19 SO THIS IS A CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME.

14:56:24 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:56:31 THIS IS SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE A

14:56:34 CONNECTION PROBLEM.

14:56:35 THIS IS ON AZEELE CLOSE TO DALE MABRY.

14:56:39 AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIDEWALKS DO NOT CONNECT.

14:56:43 SO IT MAY HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMETIMES.

14:56:47 PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THE PROCESS NEEDS TO IMPROVE

14:56:56 IN WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, AND THAT IS NOT HOW

14:57:00 SIDEWALK INSTALLATIONS ARE GETTING INSPECTED IN THE FIELD,

14:57:03 AND THAT INSPECTION IS CRITICAL.

14:57:07 AND DID YOU GET INSPECTED WHEN A PERMIT IS PULLED?

14:57:14 AND THAT'S ALSO A FUNCTION OF CODING IN ACCELA.

14:57:17 SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS THERE.

14:57:19 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:57:28 INTERFERENCE

14:57:30 SO THIS RELATES TO IN-LIEU FEE AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA FROM 29

14:57:36 TO $68.

14:57:37 OUR RECOMMENDATION, IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE IT, LET'S

14:57:41 INCREASE IT TO 75 BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER WE KNOW WHAT IT

14:57:46 COSTS US.

14:57:48 THE OTHER IS THIS $75 DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN

14:57:54 IN ALL OF THAT W WHICH AN INCREASE IS SIGNIFICANT AND CAN

14:58:00 DOUBLE IT.

14:58:01 SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER THE $75 PER LINEAR




14:58:05 FOOT.

14:58:05 WE KNOW THIS IS HEY, BUT THESE ARE ACTUAL COSTS.

14:58:10 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:58:18 22-103-C, AND PARTICULARLY RELATED TO REMOVING THE EXEMPTION

14:58:24 OF PROXIMITY TO GRAND TREES.

14:58:28 IN CONFERRING WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, THIS CAN BE SOMEWHAT

14:58:33 PROBLEMATIC, BECAUSE THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH ACCOMMODATING

14:58:37 SIDEWALKS, AND THOSE CHALLENGES, RIGHTS-OF-WAY, ARE MOST

14:58:45 EFFICIENT.

14:58:45 AND WE KNOW THAT WE OURSELVES ARE FACED WITH THESE

14:58:52 CHALLENGES, AND TO IMPOSE THEM ON A DEVELOPER WOULDN'T BE

14:58:55 EQUITABLE IN THAT SENSE.

14:58:57 WHAT WE DO RECOMMEND IS MODIFYING THE LANGUAGE AND REQUIRING

14:59:02 ACCOMMODATION SO LONG AS ADA COMPLIANCE CAN BE OBTAINED, AND

14:59:13 THAT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER COLLABORATION.

14:59:15 THIS IS ALSO RESPONSIVE COLLABORATION AT THIS TIME.

14:59:21 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

14:59:21 THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO SECTION 22-103-C, AND THIS HAS TO DO

14:59:27 WITH STORMWATER DITCHES AND TO REMOVE THE EXEMPTION.

14:59:33 THIS RECOMMENDATION WE DO NOT SUPPORT.

14:59:35 ONLY BECAUSE FOR ONCE YOU HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE

14:59:41 THE PICTURE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AN

14:59:43 EXISTING SIDEWALK, IF YOU UNEXPECTED IT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

14:59:51 CAUGHT.

14:59:51 HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH DITCHES.




14:59:56 AND AGAIN, NOT ALL DITCHES ARE DANGEROUS.

14:59:59 AND THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO DITCHES AS WELL IN TERMS OF

15:00:05 WATER AND DRAINAGE.

15:00:06 SO I WOULDN'T RULE OUT DITCHES ALTOGETHER.

15:00:11 PARTICULARLY AROUND MANAGEMENT OF WATER QUALITY AND

15:00:15 STORMWATER, BUT ALSO COST IS A FACTOR.

15:00:22 SO STORMWATER, AND WE CAN'T DO SEGMENT BY SEGMENT.

15:00:30 WE RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SUGGESTION.

15:00:35 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

15:00:40 THE NEXT PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS TO SECTION E-4 OF CHAPTER

15:00:45 22-103, AND THIS REQUIRES THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD APPROVE

15:00:55 THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CERTAIN EXEMPTION.

15:00:59 AND OUR CONCERN HERE IS THIS WOULD ADD SIGNIFICANT TIME TO

15:01:03 THE PROJECT AND COSTS, AND SO AT THIS TIME WE RECOMMEND THAT

15:01:08 WE NOT CONSIDER THIS AND WE MOVE FORWARD.

15:01:15 NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

15:01:21 THIS WE GREATLY AGREE WITH.

15:01:24 IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY WITH REGULAR REPORTING OF STATUS AND

15:01:29 USE OF SIDEWALK TRUST FUND.

15:01:31 CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT REPORT ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS COLLECTED

15:01:36 AND HOW THESE ARE UTILIZED VERY WELL.

15:01:39 IT'S DONE FOR THE CIP PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF

15:01:42 DETAILS, AND WE DO NEED TO DO THAT.

15:01:45 THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO AS WELL.

15:01:47 WE NEED TO CAPTURE BETTER DATA FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE




15:01:52 THROUGH ACCELA AND THROUGH OUR PARTNERS IN DEVELOPMENT,

15:01:57 GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

15:01:58 IN-HOUSE, WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER PLAN FOR HOUSING.

15:02:05 AS COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED, GETTING CREATIVE, AND JUST IN

15:02:13 GENERAL, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS WERE BUILT

15:02:16 LAST YEAR.

15:02:16 SO WE NEED TO WORK AT SEVERAL LEVELS.

15:02:19 WE HAVE IDENTIFIED MANY AREAS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON,

15:02:24 INCLUDING INSPECTION, INCLUDING ACCELA, AND WE WILL BE

15:02:28 WORKING ON IT.

15:02:30 THE TIMELINE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH IS SIX TO NINE MONTHS

15:02:33 FOR THE ACCELA UPGRADE TO HAPPEN SO WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME

15:02:36 OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND MOVE ACCORDINGLY.

15:02:42 WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT ON WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE MADE TO

15:02:48 THE PROCESS WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME IDENTIFIED BY DEVELOPMENT

15:02:54 REVIEW.

15:02:56 SO WE ARE NOT TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE NOT

15:03:02 TRANSPARENT TO OURSELVES.

15:03:04 WE NEED TO FIX THIS AND I COMMIT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, COUNCIL.

15:03:07 NEXT SLIDE.

15:03:11 THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR.

15:03:17 SO I WON'T REALLY DWELL INTO THE TOPIC, BUT I AM HAPPY AT

15:03:22 THIS POINT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DISCUSSION

15:03:27 PORTION.

15:03:28 NEXT SLIDE.




15:03:31 THANK YOU.

15:03:32 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:03:33 THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION?

15:03:35 >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR.

15:03:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

15:03:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

15:03:40 THANK YOU, VIK.

15:03:42 WHOEVER IS RUNNING THE SLIDE, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE?

15:03:46 SO I THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS CAREFULLY, BUT I JUST

15:03:50 WANTED TO GO OVER REALLY A CRITICAL POLICY ISSUE, AND MR.

15:03:55 SHELBY REMIND US OFTEN THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS POLICY AS

15:04:04 RELATED TO OUR CODE.

15:04:06 WHAT MR. BHIDE SHOWED US EARLIER IS THAT 98% OF THE

15:04:11 SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION OPTED FOR THE IN-LIEU PAYMENT.

15:04:19 OKAY.

15:04:19 98% OF SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION LAST YEAR AND THE NUMBERS

15:04:23 I SAW UP THERE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, I THINK, 2200 OPTED FOR

15:04:28 IN-LIEU VERSUS THE 35.

15:04:30 SO THEY OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT IT WAS A BETTER DEAL TO PAY THAT

15:04:34 $29 PER LINEAR FOOT AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING --

15:04:43 >>VIK BHIDE: IF I --

15:04:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY?

15:04:47 >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD CLARIFY THE INFORMATION.

15:04:50 IT WAS THE 35 PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND FOLLOWED THE PROCESS.

15:04:55 THE 2021, OR 2021 CASES, THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND




15:05:04 PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE IN ORDER TO GET THEIR CO.

15:05:09 SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH EACH OF THOSE

15:05:12 CASES, BUT IT'S LIKELY THEY EITHER BUILT THE SIDEWALK, OR A

15:05:20 SIDEWALK WAS NOT BUILT FOR SOME REASON.

15:05:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

15:05:26 SO THE WORDING WAS VERY, VERY CONFUSING THEN IN TERMS OF

15:05:29 THAT GRAPH, IN TERMS OF IN-LIEU VERSUS NOT IN LIEU.

15:05:35 YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE 35 WENT FOR THE IN-LAW, AND THE

15:05:41 OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T.

15:05:42 SO THEN THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION, IS HOW MANY FOLKS

15:05:47 SOUGHT AN EXCEPTION?

15:05:49 HOW MANY FOLKS WERE WAIVED OUT OF THE 2200, HOW MANY OF

15:05:53 THOSE WERE WAIVED FROM DOING -- FROM DOING -- I DON'T KNOW

15:05:59 WHO IS TALKING.

15:06:01 BUT FROM DOING THEIR SIDEWALKS THAT WERE REQUIRED.

15:06:03 THEY WERE WAIVED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONNECTIVITY.

15:06:08 IS THAT A POSSIBILITY UNDER THE CODE?

15:06:14 YOU CAN ANSWER IN A SECOND.

15:06:15 HERE IS MY POINT, IS RIGHT NOW, THE CODE AND TWO OR THREE

15:06:19 DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN 22-103 SAYS, IF YOU

15:06:24 LOOK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK TODAY,

15:06:28 THEN WE DON'T REALLY CARE, THAT WE DON'T REALLY CARE, OKAY?

15:06:33 AND THE REALITY IS, IN MANY, MANY PLACES AROUND THE CITY,

15:06:37 INCLUDING LIKE LET'S SAY VIRGINIA PARK, OKAY, TEN YEARS AGO

15:06:40 YOU COULD LOOK, AND THERE WAS NO DEMO, THERE WAS NO




15:06:44 TEAR-DOWN, THERE WAS NO NOTHING.

15:06:46 NOW HALF THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN F.EACH ONE OF THOSE

15:06:49 HAD A SIDEWALK PUT IN, WE WOULD ALMOST HAVE A CONNECTED

15:06:53 SIDEWALK AND A CONNECTED STREET.

15:06:54 THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE NEW PEOPLE WHO BUILT THOSE

15:06:57 BIG NEW HOUSES.

15:06:58 BUT IT'S NOT JUST VIRGINIA PARK.

15:07:00 NOW IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY THAT WE HAVE GOT KNOCK DOWNS, AND

15:07:04 YET WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM.

15:07:09 YOU KNOW WHAT?

15:07:10 YOU ARE JUST THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET.

15:07:14 WHEN THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET OPENS WE KNOW THEY ARE

15:07:17 NOT GOING TO BE THE LAST, AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT, AND WE

15:07:20 NEED TO FIX IT NOW AND WE NEED TO FIX IT IN THE CODE.

15:07:24 AND THAT I THINK IS WHAT THE WALK/BIKE TAMPA PEOPLE HAVE

15:07:27 BEEN TELLING US.

15:07:29 VIK, GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE IN A -- WE

15:07:32 DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE 2200 PEOPLE.

15:07:35 WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM BUILT A SIDEWALK.

15:07:38 WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION.

15:07:41 I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE NOT QUANTIFYING THAT.

15:07:44 I SEE MS. FEELEY'S HAND IS UP, MR. CHAIRMAN.

15:07:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S HAND UP

15:07:53 BEFORE.

15:07:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHARLIE, YOUR MIKE IS OFF.




15:07:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNMUTE YOURSELF.

15:07:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK MY PROBLEM WAS I DID TO MYSELF.

15:08:09 >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE FOR A

15:08:09 MOMENT? I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

15:08:12 SO 2200, THOSE ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERMITS.

15:08:16 THERE ARE 35 THAT ELECTED OR REQUESTED THE IN-LIEU.

15:08:21 THE OTHER 2200 BUILT THE SIDEWALK.

15:08:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.

15:08:25 VIK CLARIFIED THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

15:08:31 THERE WERE SEVERAL DOUBLE NEGATIVES IN THERE AND THAT'S WHY

15:08:34 I GOT MESSED UP.

15:08:36 >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY.

15:08:37 2200 -- 2200 INSTALLED.

15:08:40 ONLY 35 OF THE TOTAL PERMITS ISSUED LAST YEAR REQUESTED THE

15:08:46 IN-LIEU AND PAID THE IN-LAW.

15:08:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT WHAT YOU SAID IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT

15:08:51 VIK SAID.

15:08:52 VIK SAID OUT OF THE 2200 WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUALLY

15:08:55 INSTALLED.

15:08:56 HE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

15:08:59 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE 2200, IT IS EITHER YOU INSTALL OR YOU

15:09:07 ARE ONE OF THE 35.

15:09:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OR YOU ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION.

15:09:11 >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO.

15:09:11 THE 35 ARE THE EXCEPTION.




15:09:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IN-LIEU

15:09:14 EXCEPTION.

15:09:16 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEY HAVE TO PAY IN-LIEU.

15:09:19 THERE IS NO OTHER EXCEPTION.

15:09:23 >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD DEFER TO ABBEY ON THIS BECAUSE SHE

15:09:30 WOULD KNOW MORE THAN I.

15:09:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO THEY DO 500, 13 PERMITS AND 5 PAID THE

15:09:39 IN-LIEU.

15:09:40 ALL THE REST ARE BUILDING THE SIDEWALKS.

15:09:42 THERE IS NO, I DON'T BUILD A SIDEWALK AND I DON'T PAY.

15:09:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

15:09:47 I AM GOING TO LOOK AT THE CODE REAL QUICK AND GET BACK TO

15:09:50 YOU ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY I REMEMBER IT.

15:09:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?

15:09:55 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THOSE SELECTED THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU

15:09:58 TODAY.

15:09:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

15:10:01 >>BILL CARLSON: VIK, I APPRECIATE THE CHEAT SHEET HERE, BUT

15:10:05 I HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION UP HERE SO I AM GOING TO GO PAGE BY

15:10:09 PAGE IF I COULD TO GET BACK TO IT BECAUSE IT'S SO

15:10:12 COMPLICATED.

15:10:13 IN GENERAL, I WANT TO SAY I AM VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE

15:10:18 THAT WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THIS WE COMMIT OURSELVES TO

15:10:21 HAVING SIDEWALKS.

15:10:22 I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS NOT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.




15:10:25 ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GET IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING

15:10:28 THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, CUTTING THROUGH, OR TRYING TO CUT

15:10:33 MacDILL OR BAYSHORE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY ARE SPEEDING

15:10:36 THROUGH, AND KIDS AND FAMILIES AT RISK, AND WE NEED TO

15:10:40 FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

15:10:42 SO NUMBER ONE WAS THE REQUIRED SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION WITHIN

15:10:45 TWO MILES OF THE SCHOOL.

15:10:47 I HAVE HEARD REPORTS, I DON'T KNOW FIRST HAND, BUT I HAVE

15:10:49 HEARD REPORTS WHERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED CROSSWALKS BECAUSE

15:10:54 NOT A SIDEWALK AND SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS SAID I DON'T WANT

15:10:57 A SIDEWALK BECAUSE QUOTE-UNQUOTE, THOSE PEOPLE WALK IN FRONT

15:11:00 OF MY HOUSE.

15:11:01 I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE.

15:11:04 IT'S ALL RIGHT, WE CAN BUILD A SIDEWALK WHEREVER WE WANT.

15:11:07 I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT CERTAIN

15:11:10 PEOPLE WALKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT WE SHOULD

15:11:12 REQUIRE KIDS AND FAMILIES TO NOT HAVE CROSSWALKS TO SAFELY

15:11:17 CROSSROADS RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOLS AND THAT THEY SHOULD

15:11:20 HAVE TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

15:11:22 AND SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR.

15:11:28 WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION COMING UP ABOUT THAT, TOO.

15:11:32 WHERE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS DO NOT EXIST, I THINK WE SHOULD

15:11:36 ABSOLUTELY SHOULD REMOVE THEM. IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD,

15:11:38 WHICH IS PRETTY NICE STREETS, MY KIDS AND I, WHEN THERE ARE

15:11:44 DISJOINTED SEGMENTS OF SIDEWALKS, BUT THE CARS AND TRUCKS GO




15:11:47 THROUGH SO QUICKLY THAT IF I GET A CHANCE TO WALK ON A

15:11:50 SIDEWALK, I AM GOING TO TAKE IT EVERY WILL TIME BECAUSE IT'S

15:11:53 TOO DANGEROUS TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

15:11:55 EVEN IF WE ARE WALKING ON A SIDEWALK JUST IN FRONT OF TWO

15:11:59 HOUSES THOSE TWO SIDEWALKS MIGHT SAVE SOMEBODY'S LIVES

15:12:03 BECAUSE THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

15:12:05 I THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT

15:12:10 CONTIGUOUS.

15:12:11 YOU SAID MAKING SURE THEY ALIGNED PROPERLY SO MAYBE THERE'S

15:12:16 SOME DESIGN PROCESS THERE.

15:12:18 REMOVING SIDEWALKS, YOU TALKED ABOUT STAFF PROVIDING AN

15:12:20 ALTERNATIVE WHERE DEVELOPERS COULD OFFER TO PAY FOR

15:12:23 SIDEWALKS EQUAL LENGTH IN SCHOOL PRIORITY ZONES.

15:12:28 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BUT I WOULD RATHER FIRST MAKE

15:12:31 SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF THEY ARE THE FIRST ON THE

15:12:34 STREET, LIKE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD

15:12:37 OVER TIME WILL DEVELOP SIDEWALKS, AND WE NEED FOLKS WITH

15:12:40 NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES WANT SIDEWALKS.

15:12:43 AND SO WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE AND BUILD THEM.

15:12:48 THEN YOU GO TO DOUBLE THE IN-LIEU FEE.

15:12:52 IF IT'S $75, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE

15:12:55 MANAGEMENT FEE AND WHATEVER.

15:12:56 THAT MEANS THE REAL COST IS PROBABLY 100 TO $150 SO WE

15:13:00 SHOULD CHARGE MORE THAN $75.

15:13:02 WE SHOULD CHARGE THE ACTUAL COST WHICH IS PROBABLY 100 TO




15:13:05 $125.

15:13:06 WE SHOULD NOT LET ANYBODY PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE THAT'S NOT --

15:13:11 THE ACTUAL COST OF BUILDING A SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

15:13:17 REMOVE EXEMPTIONS FOR PROXIMITY.

15:13:20 MY STREET IS FULL OF GRAND OAKS.

15:13:22 AND I WOULD NEVER PROPOSE TEARING THEM DOWN. I DON'T KNOW

15:13:25 WHAT THE SOLUTION IS THERE SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN

15:13:27 OPINION.

15:13:28 I WISH WE COULD FIND A WAY TO GET AROUND THEM.

15:13:31 SOMETHING.

15:13:31 BUT IT HAS TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND WE CAN'T ENDANGER TREES,

15:13:37 AND BRANCHES GROW, THEY RIP UP THE SIDEWALKS.

15:13:40 SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

15:13:42 BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU ALL COULD FIGURE THAT OUT.

15:13:44 REMOVE AN EXEMPTION, WATER DITCHES.

15:13:49 I WOULD LIKE THE REQUIREMENT TO SAY THAT WHOEVER BUILD ON

15:13:52 THOSE STREETS WOULD HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD PAY

15:13:57 TO REDO THAT STORMWATER DRAIN, SO THERE COULD BE A SIDEWALK.

15:14:01 YOU AND I HAVE MET IN NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE WHERE THERE IS A

15:14:04 STORMWATER, AND THEY NEED TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON TOP.

15:14:07 COUNCILMEMBER MANISCALCO TALKED ABOUT THAT IN WEST TAMPA.

15:14:10 THEY ARE REALLY DANGEROUS.

15:14:11 AND SOMEWHERE WE HAVE TO START.

15:14:13 IF THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY IT, SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIX

15:14:17 THE PROBLEM.




15:14:20 EXEMPTIONS MUST GO TO APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL, PUBLIC

15:14:24 HEARING.

15:14:24 WE HAVE ATTACH ON OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE NEED TO

15:14:27 SET UP HAIR THRESHOLD, IF NOT CITY COUNCIL, THERE NEED TO BE

15:14:33 SOME HIGHER THRESHOLD, COST MAY BE PART OF IT, MAYBE SOME

15:14:37 OTHER PROCESS TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO OPT OUT.

15:14:40 IT SOUNDS LIKE MRS. FEELEY'S NUMBERS THAT IT'S NOT THAT BIG

15:14:44 OF A PROBLEM OF PEOPLE OPTING OUT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE

15:14:49 WE MANDATE SIDEWALKS.

15:14:50 TRANSPARENCY THERE, WERE RESUMES THAT THIS FUND WAS RAIDED

15:14:53 YEARS AGO FOR OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED

15:14:55 OR NOT.

15:14:55 BUT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW, AND THIS IS ALL SIDES.

15:14:59 THE PEOPLE, THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PAYING, THEY WANT TO KNOW

15:15:02 THAT THE FUNDS ARE GOING WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO SO I

15:15:04 APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THAT.

15:15:06 AND I WILL BE QUIET.

15:15:07 THANK YOU.

15:15:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:15:08 OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT I WAS THINKING OF WAS THE

15:15:13 STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MONEY.

15:15:15 I KNOW IT'S DEDICATED TO STORMWATER WORK.

15:15:18 BUT OUT OF THAT CAN WE HELP BUILD SIDEWALKS?

15:15:21 AND ALSO WITH PIPES, WHICH IS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR

15:15:26 PROJECT, WE ARE TEARING UP ROADS, GOING TO BE REPAVING




15:15:28 ROADS, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME MONEY TO PERHAPS COVER

15:15:32 SOME OF THOSE DITCHES IN WEST TAMPA.

15:15:33 AND UNLESS EVERYTHING IS GOING TO GO OVER BUDGET, WE DON'T

15:15:38 KNOW, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO

15:15:41 THE BILLIONS WHERE WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALLOCATING IF POSSIBLE

15:15:44 MONEY TOWARDS SIDEWALKS.

15:15:46 ANYBODY ELSE?

15:15:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET THE VOICE OF REASON, COUNCILMAN

15:15:51 MIRANDA, GO FIRST.

15:15:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.

15:15:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU DON'T KNOW IF I AM THE VOICE OF

15:15:56 REASON OR NOT, BUT I CAN SAY THIS.

15:15:58 I AM NOT A LAWYER, EITHER.

15:15:59 AND I CAN TELL WITH YOU THING, ONCE YOU BUY SOMETHING, WHEN

15:16:03 YOU BUY BONDS, YOU HAVE TO SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE BONDING

15:16:08 IS, AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN ONLY USE THAT MONEY, ONLY

15:16:13 FOR WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO USE IT FOR.

15:16:18 AT THE END OF THE BONDING PROCESS, YOU HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT

15:16:21 OVER, AND YOU HAVE FACILITATED THAT THE PUBLIC NOW IS PAYING

15:16:29 FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, EITHER IN THE

15:16:32 WATER USE OR THE USE OF WATER BONDED HOWARD STERN PLANT AND

15:16:38 HAVE A FEE THAT TAKES THAT FRONT PART, LOAD IT, AND WE PAY

15:16:42 47%, WE BONDED OUT 52% IF I RECALL.

15:16:46 SO IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, THE OPINION FROM A STREET LAWYER,

15:16:50 YOU CANNOT USE THAT MONEY UNLESS IT'S FOR SPECIFICALLY WHAT




15:16:54 YOU BONDED IT OUT FOR.

15:16:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD MENTIONED, IF WE

15:16:58 ARE NOT OVER BUDGET AND WHATNOT, IF THERE'S ANY MONEY LEFT

15:17:01 OVER, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- [INTERFERENCE].

15:17:06 ALL RIGHT.

15:17:06 ANYBODY ELSE?

15:17:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, IF I MAY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS GETTING

15:17:11 CHILDREN OFF THE STREET THAT ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, MOTHERS

15:17:13 WITH BABY CARRIAGES.

15:17:15 THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.

15:17:16 I DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER PRIOR GOVERNMENTS, WHETHER IT

15:17:19 BE LOCAL OR OTHERWISE.

15:17:21 A FAMOUS POLITICIAN ONCE TOLD ME THAT EVERY POLITICIAN MAKES

15:17:25 HIS DECISION WHAT THEY FEEL IS RIGHT AT THE TIME.

15:17:28 THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO HELP CONNECT OUR

15:17:33 SIDEWALKS.

15:17:34 I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT CANNOT BE

15:17:35 CONNECTED.

15:17:39 THE IRONY IN TODAY'S MEETING, AND PEOPLE CAN BEAT ME UP FOR

15:17:45 THIS OR NOT, I AM A BELIEVER IN CLIMATIC CHANGE.

15:17:50 BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING, A POLICY THAT WE HAD FOR

15:17:53 SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW.

15:17:56 THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR SIDEWALK AND THE NEED FOR THEM,

15:18:01 BECAUSE OF CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET, IS HERE TODAY,

15:18:04 RIGHT NOW.




15:18:05 THIS NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

15:18:09 AND THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

15:18:12 AGAIN, THINGS WERE DIFFERENT EARLIER.

15:18:16 I AM NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

15:18:17 BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THIS.

15:18:21 THANK YOU.

15:18:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BRING IT IN FOR

15:18:25 A LANDING.

15:18:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL BRING IT IN.

15:18:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE MR. MICHELINI ON THE SECOND

15:18:30 FLOOR WANTED TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

15:18:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE'S WILLIAM COME TO EARLIER.

15:18:36 THAT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S PREROGATIVE.

15:18:38 IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK, THE RELEVANT SIDEWALK

15:18:43 CODE, 22-102 -- EXCUSE ME, 103, AND I LOOKED AT IT LAST

15:18:49 NIGHT, AND I LOOKED AT IT AGAIN JUST NOW, AND THIS IS WHAT I

15:18:53 WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE.

15:18:54 AND IF I AM WRONG, LEGAL CAN JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME OR

15:18:58 ANYBODY ELSE.

15:19:00 BUT 22-103-G-2 SAYS THE FOLLOWING:

15:19:07 IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF

15:19:10 A SIDEWALK IS "NOT PRACTICAL AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBSECTION C

15:19:17 OR D OF ABOVE AND THE CITY'S CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION

15:19:20 AND THE PERMIT IS BEING ISSUED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY

15:19:22 RESIDENTIAL, THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION




15:19:25 FUND SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING

15:19:29 INSTANCES."

15:19:30 AND THEN I JUMP DOWN TO 2.

15:19:32 AND 2 HAS THREE PRONGS.

15:19:34 SO THAT SINGLE-FAMILY BUILDER HAS TO MEET THESE THREE PRONGS

15:19:39 AND THEN HE CAN ASK CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO WAIVE THE FEE.

15:19:43 THOSE THREE TONGS ARE AS FOLLOWED.

15:19:46 THE PERMIT IS ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE-FAMILY

15:19:48 RESIDENTIAL HOME LOCATED ON A LOCAL ROAD.

15:19:50 THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

15:19:52 AND MOST SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE BUILT ON LOCAL ROADS.

15:19:56 2, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT LOCAL ROAD ABUTTING THE

15:20:00 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS MEASURED LINEARLY ON

15:20:04 THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD.

15:20:06 THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

15:20:07 OKAY.

15:20:08 SO IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND HE OR SHE IS THE

15:20:11 FIRST BUILDER ON THAT STREET AND YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE

15:20:14 STREET AND THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD,

15:20:17 HE SATISFIES THE SECOND PRONG.

15:20:18 AND THE THIRD PRONG SAYS, AND THE CITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT

15:20:22 PLAN RELATIVE TO SIDEWALKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PLANS FOR

15:20:26 FUNDING OR CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS ON THE ABUTTING

15:20:29 LOCAL ROAD WITHIN THREE BLOCKS IN EITHER DIRECTION.

15:20:31 OKAY.




15:20:32 THAT'S FINE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S CAPITAL

15:20:37 IMPROVEMENT PLAN STATES SPECIFICALLY.

15:20:39 BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER G-2 IN OUR CODE FOR

15:20:45 DEVELOPERS TO NOT PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE IF THERE'S NO OTHER

15:20:50 SIDEWALK GOING ON UP AND DOWN THAT LOCAL ROAD.

15:20:53 AND I DO BELIEVE MR. BHIDE AND MS. FEELEY THAT IF WE DIG

15:20:59 DEEP WE ARE GOING TO FIND THAT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES HAS

15:21:02 PROBABLY BEEN GIVING THAT WAIVER, OKAY?

15:21:05 I CAN'T SAY IT DEFINITIVELY BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THAT -- I AM

15:21:10 NOT IN YOUR WORLD.

15:21:11 BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IF G-2 IS AVAILABLE THEN THEY ARE

15:21:15 GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, OKAY?

15:21:17 IF ANYBODY SAYS I AM WRONG ON MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT

15:21:19 PROVISION, PLEASE SPEAK UP.

15:21:21 OTHERWISE, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE.

15:21:24 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, SO WE DO NOT CURRENTLY TRACK THAT THAT

15:21:39 WAY.

15:21:40 I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME -- FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2200

15:21:47 AND THE 35.

15:21:48 THE 35 ARE THE ONES WHO PAY FOR IT, THE IN-LIEU FEE, AND

15:21:54 THAT THEY DID NOT MEET THAT THREE-PRONGS, OR MEANING

15:21:59 POSSIBLY THAT THEY DID BUT THEY PAID THE IN-LIEU.

15:22:02 SO WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS IN

15:22:06 ORDER TO CLARIFY.

15:22:09 I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY WITH 2-1 WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE




15:22:15 HOUSING.

15:22:15 MOST OF THEM DID INSTALL RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT

15:22:19 DIFFERENTIATING -- NOT TO GET INTO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO GO

15:22:24 BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2200 THAT WOULD QUALIFY.

15:22:34 >> MORRIS MASSEY: IF I CAN JUMP IN AND CONFIRM WITH

15:22:38 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WENT THROUGH, THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN

15:22:40 THE CODE NOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU DO NOT

15:22:42 HAVE TO PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUILD THE

15:22:47 SIDEWALK.

15:22:49 AND I WOULD ALSO, NOW THAT I REALLY WANTED TO QUICKLY

15:22:54 CONFIRM WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS CONCERNED ABOUT USING

15:22:57 MONEY BONDED FOR STORMWATER, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PURPOSES,

15:23:00 WE CANNOT USE THOSE DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.

15:23:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

15:23:08 IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I KNOW MR. MICHELINI HAD REQUESTED

15:23:11 TO SPEAK.

15:23:12 HE'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

15:23:13 HE'S HERE?

15:23:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SINCE MORRIS HAS CLARIFIED, I GUESS MRS.

15:23:23 FEELEY IS GOING TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK IN THE FUTURE

15:23:26 AND LOOK AND SEE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT G-2.

15:23:29 IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DINGFELDER?

15:23:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT LEAST G-2, YES.

15:23:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY: AT THIS POINT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT I

15:23:42 BELIEVE -- I MEAN, I'M RECALLING WHEN THAT MODIFICATION TO




15:23:48 THE SIDEWALK CODE HAD CHANGED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE -- AND I

15:23:50 HAVE TO GO AND LOOK -- I SAW IT WAS A MOTION OF COUNCILMAN

15:23:55 MIRANDA THAT WAS OVER 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO THAT WE LOOKED AT

15:23:59 THIS, BECAUSE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SINGLE-FAMILY

15:24:02 RESIDENTIAL, WHEN IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK TO

15:24:05 ACTUALLY GO IN, WAS HAVING TO PAVE, AND THAT IS WHERE THAT

15:24:12 CODE MODIFICATION CAME FROM, SOME YEARS, IF IT IS THE DESIRE

15:24:17 NOW OF COUNCIL THAT THERE WOULD BE NO WAIVERS TO THE IN-LIEU

15:24:22 FEE, EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN THREE-PRONG SECTION OF THE

15:24:26 CODE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN MODIFY

15:24:32 THAT, WHEN COUNCIL FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE IN-LIEU

15:24:37 TO BE WAIVED AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THEY WOULD LIKE TO

15:24:43 CLOSE THE QUOTE-UNQUOTE LAP HOLE YOU ARE REFERRING TO AND

15:24:46 CAPTURE THE CIRCUMSTANCE FOR WHEN THAT FEE IS NOT PAID.

15:24:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU ARE LOOKING TORE FOR A MOTION TO

15:24:58 KIND OF WRAP THIS UP, I WOULD BE GLAD TO.

15:25:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.

15:25:01 WAIT, LET'S HEAR FROM MR. MICHELINI FIRST AND THEN WE'LL

15:25:04 TAKE A MOTION SO THE PUBLIC CAN BENEFIT.

15:25:07 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

15:25:08 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS

15:25:10 ASSOCIATION.

15:25:12 AND BASICALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK LEFT TO BE DONE ON

15:25:15 THIS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AS WE HAVE ALL

15:25:18 DISCOVERED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.




15:25:21 AND WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE STAFF OF THE CITY AND

15:25:24 TRY TO HELP COME UP WITH AND CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE THAT MAKES

15:25:28 SENSE AND IS FAIR TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.

15:25:30 I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE A PRIORITY, AND

15:25:35 TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AROUND

15:25:39 NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PARTICULARLY SCHOOLS.

15:25:42 AND I THINK VIK HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT THERE

15:25:45 ARE STRATEGIES TO BE EMPLOYED, AND WE WILL BE HAVING MORE

15:25:48 DISCUSSIONS, I'M SURE, IN THE FUTURE.

15:25:50 SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE, AND LOOK FORWARD TO

15:25:53 WORKING WITH YOU.

15:25:54 THANK YOU.

15:25:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:25:56 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, OFF MOTION.

15:25:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY

15:26:01 ORDINANCES TODAY, BUT I THINK STAFF IS ALWAYS APPRECIATIVE

15:26:05 WHEN THEY GET THE SENSE OF WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GONE

15:26:08 IN REGARD TO THESE ORDINANCES.

15:26:10 AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF AND THE LEGAL

15:26:15 DEPARTMENT WORK WITH MR. BHIDE ON HIS PROPOSED CODE

15:26:23 MODIFICATION, THAT I CONCUR WITH HIS RECOMMENDATIONS

15:26:31 GENERALLY, BUT I WOULD ADD SPECIFICALLY TO ELIMINATE THE

15:26:36 LOOPHOLE THAT I NOTED AS RELATED TO G-2 OF 22-103 AND ANY

15:26:44 OTHER POTENTIAL SIMILAR LOOPHOLES THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED,

15:26:50 BECAUSE THAT ORDINANCE IS NOT TOTALLY EASY TO READ, BUT




15:26:57 CLEARLY G-2, AS MR. MASSEY AND MS. FEELEY INDICATED AS WELL,

15:27:03 PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY AND LAP HOLE.

15:27:04 SO I WOULD ASK THAT TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF MR. BHIDE'S

15:27:11 LIST, AND ALSO AS OFFERED MS. FEELEY, THAT WE LOOK AT THAT

15:27:21 2200 NUMBER FROM THE YEAR 2020 AND SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY

15:27:27 HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS DID NOT PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE

15:27:34 AND DIDN'T BUILD A SIDEWALK.

15:27:35 MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN ACCELA THAT WE CAN PULL THAT

15:27:39 INFORMATION OUT.

15:27:39 I DON'T KNOW.

15:27:40 I KNOW ACCELA HAS GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF

15:27:44 DETAILS, BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.

15:27:47 BUT, IF POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT ASKING STAFF TO GO DOWN

15:27:51 AND LOOK AT 2200 SIDEWALKS INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF THAT

15:27:57 INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE ON ACCELA, I THINK IT WOULD

15:28:01 BE VALUABLE INFORMATION.

15:28:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN

15:28:06 CARLSON.

15:28:07 DO YOU WANT TWO WEEKS, SIR?

15:28:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, JUST A WEEK.

15:28:11 [ LAUGHTER ]

15:28:12 NO, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHATEVER STAFF WANTS, SIXTY DAYS OR

15:28:17 WHATEVER.

15:28:19 SIXTY, NINETY DAYS.

15:28:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S --




15:28:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO INQUIRE OF STAFF?

15:28:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

15:28:28 WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

15:28:30 SOMETIME IN JULY?

15:28:32 MAYBE JULY 29?

15:28:33 OR DO YOU NEED MORE TIME?

15:28:38 >>VIK BHIDE: WE MAY NEED MORE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING

15:28:42 IN THE ACCELA SOFTWARE CURRENTLY, AND THAT IS CRITICAL, AND

15:28:48 ALSO DATA.

15:28:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE INTENTION OF MY MOTIVE IS NOT TO

15:29:01 WAIT FOR SIX TO NINE MONTHS FOR ACCELA TO BE AVAILABLE.

15:29:05 I THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT THAT CODE PROVISION

15:29:10 PROVIDES A LOOPHOLE, AND MAYBE IF WE CAN ASSUME THAT SOME

15:29:13 PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT.

15:29:15 BUT IF NOT, EVEN IF THEY HADN'T TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT WE

15:29:18 SHOULD CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE.

15:29:20 SO I WOULD OFFER TWO OR THREE MONTHS FOR STAFF AND LEGAL TO

15:29:25 COME BACK AND IMPLEMENT THROUGH CODE CHANGES MR. BHIDE'S

15:29:30 RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS THE ELIMINATION OF THE G-2 LAP

15:29:33 HOLE.

15:29:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ABOUT AUGUST 5th?

15:29:36 A LITTLE OVER THREE MONTHS.

15:29:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S GOOD WITH ME.

15:29:39 >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

15:29:40 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.




15:29:43 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

15:29:46 MR. DINGFELDER MADE KIND OF A LONG MOTION.

15:29:49 BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK MR. BHIDE TO DO IS CONSIDER ALL THE

15:29:52 COMMENTS THAT WE MADE, LIKE I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE WAY

15:29:55 MORE STRICT THAN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, LISTEN TO ALL OF OUR

15:29:59 COMMENTS, AND THEN TAKE THAT AND MAYBE MAKE SOME PROPOSED

15:30:01 MODIFICATIONS, BUT THEN USE THAT AS A BASIS TO GO TO THE

15:30:05 PUBLIC, NOT JUST RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY ARE.

15:30:07 I THINK HE KIND OF SAID THAT BUT I WANTED FROM MY POINT OF

15:30:11 VIEW MAKE IT CLEAR.

15:30:12 AND THEN COME BACK.

15:30:13 THANK YOU.

15:30:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE MODIFIED MOTION THEN WOULD BE MR.

15:30:18 BHIDE'S RECOMMENDATION PLUS THE G-2 RECOMMENDATION AND/OR,

15:30:24 AS YOU SAID, MR. CARLSON, STRONGER MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN

15:30:29 DISCUSSED.

15:30:29 IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BILL?

15:30:31 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

15:30:32 OR JUST SAYING INPUT OF COUNCIL.

15:30:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

15:30:36 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

15:30:38 ALL IN FAVOR?

15:30:39 ANY OPPOSED?

15:30:41 ALL RIGHT.

15:30:42 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.




15:30:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, MOTION PASSED, RIGHT?

15:30:47 I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT VIK -- CAN WE JUST PLEASE WORK ON

15:30:51 SOME KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION TO GET THESE SIDEWALKS DONE

15:30:58 CHEAPLY AS FAR AS MAYBE GETTING THE MANPOWER AND THESE OTHER

15:31:04 ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT HELP YOUNG PEOPLE GET BACK ON

15:31:08 THEIR FEET, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN, AND I THINK

15:31:12 WE CAN HELP OUR CITIZENS OUT BY DOING SOME OF THESE

15:31:17 SIDEWALKS, RATHER THAN TRYING TO OUTSOURCE THIS STUFF.

15:31:20 THE CRAs ALSO AS WELL MAKING SURE WE GET SOMETHING DONE.

15:31:26 SO WE CAN JUST WORK ON THAT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

15:31:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:31:30 ABBYE FEELEY.

15:31:32 >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, CHAIR.

15:31:34 JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, MAYBE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT,

15:31:39 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

15:31:40 IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH ALL 2200 OF

15:31:43 THOSE RECORDS IN ACCELA BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRACKED THAT WAY.

15:31:46 SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, I DID DISCUSS WITH VIK BHIDE

15:31:51 THE 500 FROM THIS YEAR.

15:31:53 WE DID CHART SOMETHING IN ACCELA AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FROM

15:31:58 THIS MOMENT FORWARD ANYTHING THAT'S TRACKING THAT'S COMING

15:32:01 IN UP UNTIL THIS TIME VIK BRINGS THIS BACK TO YOU, WE WOULD

15:32:06 BE MONITORING THOSE AS WELL.

15:32:08 BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE -- I THINK WE CAN DO A

15:32:14 RANDOM SAMPLE, BUT I THINK IF WE GO BACK THROUGH THE 500, WE




15:32:18 COULD DO THAT FOR YOU AND BE ABLE TO WORK BACK.

15:32:22 CAN'T BE GOING BACK MANUALLY THROUGH 2200.

15:32:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCIL GETS ACCUSED OF BURDENING STAFF

15:32:30 AND I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN STAFF.

15:32:31 IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NOT A BIG BURDEN TO LOOK AT THOSE 500,

15:32:35 THEN I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.

15:32:38 BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BURDEN STAFF.

15:32:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.

15:32:43 THANKS VERY MUCH.

15:32:45 WE HAVE A VERY, VERY LONG NIGHT AHEAD OF US.

15:32:47 GO AHEAD.

15:32:48 YES, SIR.

15:32:48 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST BRIEF THING.

15:32:51 I JUST WANT TO TELL ANYBODY WATCHING, MR. BHIDE IS A

15:32:56 VISIONARY IN TRANSPORTATION, AND HE HAS A BIG VISION WITH

15:33:00 THE COMMUNITY.

15:33:01 HE LOOKS AT BEST PRACTICES, AND HE HAS GREAT IDEAS ABOUT

15:33:04 WHAT WHERE WE SHOULD GO FOR THE FUTURE F.WEIGHED THE MONEY

15:33:07 TO DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DO, THIS WOULD BE AN EVEN

15:33:10 BETTER CITY.

15:33:11 SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM CREATIVELY TO FIND

15:33:14 SOLUTIONS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

15:33:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SECOND THAT.

15:33:16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:33:17 AND MR. MASSEY, IF YOU CAN STAY ON REGARDING NEW BUSINESS.




15:33:24 WHICH IS COMING UP NOW.

15:33:25 OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.

15:33:27 WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

15:33:32 COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR NEW

15:33:34 BUSINESS, SIR?

15:33:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM CHECKING WITH MY AIDE, BUT NO, I

15:33:38 DON'T THINK OF ANYTHING.

15:33:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO?

15:33:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, SIR.

15:33:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THIS

15:33:45 AFTERNOON.

15:33:47 COMMISSIONER OVERMAN GAVE ME A CALL.

15:33:50 THE COUNTY PASSED A NEW ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY.

15:33:54 I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD READ IT.

15:33:56 I LOOKED AT IT.

15:33:58 ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF IT.

15:33:59 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO IT.

15:34:02 I MAKE A MOTION FOR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO AN

15:34:04 ORDINANCE BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY REGARDING THE REQUIRED

15:34:07 NOTICE OF HOUSING RIGHTS AND RESOURCES OBTAINED THROUGH

15:34:11 RENTERS BILL OF RATES, THE PROVISION OF SOURCE OF INCOME,

15:34:14 DISCRIMINATION, AND NOTICE OF LATE FEES.

15:34:17 AND I HAVE A FULL COPY HERE FOR THE CLERK AS WELL, SIR.

15:34:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT DAY WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?

15:34:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK THE OFFICE




15:34:26 WOULD NEED?

15:34:28 >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED ACD STAFF, BUT WE

15:34:33 CAN PROBABLY GET BACK TO YOU IN SIXTY DAYS.

15:34:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE, SIR.

15:34:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIXTY DAYS WOULD BE PUT US -- LET'S GET

15:34:42 TO HOW ABOUT JULY 16th?

15:34:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE.

15:34:47 MR. MASSEY, IS IT GOOD FOR YOU, SIR?

15:34:49 >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK THAT'S FINE.

15:34:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THE COUNTY HAS PRETTY MUCH HAS IT

15:34:55 DONE.

15:34:57 SMALL CHANGE OR WHATEVER.

15:34:58 >>MORRIS MASSEY: I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ENACTED AN

15:35:03 ORDINANCE FOR RENTERS BILL OF RATES, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

15:35:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

15:35:09 SECOND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

15:35:11 IT'S GOING TO BE STAFF REPORTS FOR JULY 15th.

15:35:13 ALL IN FAVOR?

15:35:15 ANY OPPOSED?

15:35:16 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

15:35:20 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?

15:35:21 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, QUICKLY, OUR FRIEND ARIZONA JENKINS

15:35:25 GOT A STATE WADE AWARD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IT'S THE VALDEZ

15:35:30 LEADERSHIP AND ADVOCACY AWARD, USUALLY ONLY GIVEN TO ONE

15:35:34 DISABILITY ACTIVIST STATE WIDE, AND THEY THOUGHT HE WAS SO




15:35:37 GREAT THAT THEY GAVE HIM ONE, TOO.

15:35:39 IF YOU ARE OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENDATION AND

15:35:43 IDEALLY HAVE HIM COME AND SAY HELLO TO US.

15:35:46 >> ABSOLUTELY.

15:35:47 I JUST SAW HIM LAST NIGHT.

15:35:48 >>BILL CARLSON: TELL HIM HE CAN'T SMOKE HERE.

15:35:55 >> WHEN DO YOU WANT HIM TO COME?

15:35:58 JULY 15th?

15:35:59 THAT'S THE CITY OF TAMPA'S BIRTHDAY.

15:36:02 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT TO DO JULY 15th?

15:36:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL DO THAT UNDER CEREMONIAL

15:36:09 ACTIVITIES.

15:36:10 IF YOU ALL DON'T KNOW, ARIZONA JENKINS IS GOING TO BE A

15:36:13 TREAT.

15:36:13 HE'S A GREAT PERSON.

15:36:14 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

15:36:17 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

15:36:21 ALL IN FAVOR?

15:36:22 >>BILL CARLSON: JOSE MARTI PARK IN YBOR, THERE'S A LEGEND

15:36:27 THAT IT'S OWNED BY THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT.

15:36:29 I WENT, BUT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN MANAGED BY A PRIVATE

15:36:33 ENTITY SINCE 1983, AND A YEAR AGO BEFORE COVID, I ASKED

15:36:38 CHIEF OF STAFF TO LOOK AT IT.

15:36:39 HE PULLED TOGETHER 12 PEOPLE ON A PHONE CALL AND WE STARTED

15:36:42 LAG INTO THE LAND USE OF IT AND WHO ACTUALLY OWNED IT, AND




15:36:46 ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I GET DAILY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE

15:36:51 UPKEEP OF THAT PARK.

15:36:52 IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PARK FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND CUBAN

15:36:56 AMERICANS, AND I THINK IT DESERVES BETTER UPKEEP AND IT

15:37:01 SHOULD BE MANAGED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

15:37:03 SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF AND THE

15:37:07 PARKS DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE

15:37:10 PARKS DEPARTMENT MANAGE JOSE MARTI PARK AND COME BACK TO US

15:37:14 ON OCTOBER 7th.

15:37:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

15:37:17 >>BILL CARLSON: DURING STAFF REPORTS.

15:37:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNDER STAFF REPORTS, OCTOBER 7th.

15:37:21 THE PARK IS SMALLER THAN THIS ROOM, SO IT'S NOT A BIG

15:37:24 UNDERTAKING.

15:37:25 SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT.

15:37:28 WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

15:37:31 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.

15:37:33 ALL IN FAVOR?

15:37:35 ANY OPPOSED?

15:37:36 ANYTHING ELSE?

15:37:38 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?

15:37:42 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

15:37:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SEE YOU AT 6:00.

15:37:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.

15:37:47 I HAVE NOTHING.




15:37:47 SO 6:00, WE WILL BE BACK IN SESSION.

15:37:51 AND WE MADE SURE THE NOTICE AS ADEQUATELY AS POSSIBLE FOR

15:37:56 THAT.

15:37:56 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

15:37:57 WE ARE ADJOURNED.

15:37:59 ARE WE IN RECESS TILL 6 OR ADJOURNED?

15:38:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ADJOURNED FOR THIS MEETING AND RECONVENE

15:38:05 AT 6:00.

15:38:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL RECONVENE AT 6:00.

15:38:18 (CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP ADJOURNED)

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