CITY OF TAMPA WORKSHOPS
THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 2021, 9:00 A.M.


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09:02:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING TO

ORDER.

THE INVOCATION IS COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER.

I WILL YIELD TO YOU, SIR.

09:02:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THIS MORNING, WE'RE HONORED TO HAVE THE REVEREND JASON

SOWELL.

HE IS THE FOUNDER OF CURRENT INITIATIVES, A TAMPA BASED

NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WHOSE LAUNDRY PROJECT INITIATIVE HAS

SERVED THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES ACROSS THE BAY AREA FOR THE

LAST COUPLE OF DECADES.

JASON IS ALSO A CHAPLAIN WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT

AND HAS BEEN A MINISTER IN THE BAY AREA NEARLY 20 YEARS.

REVEREND SOWELL HAS JOINED US ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR?

09:03:30 >> YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.




09:03:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
PLEASE JOIN REVEREND SOWELL, STAND FOR

THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

09:03:38 >> GRACIOUS GOD, THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTIFUL DAY THAT YOU'VE

GIVEN US HERE.

THANK YOU FOR THIS PLACE THAT WE CAN BE AND MAKE DECISIONS

AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.

THANK YOU FOR THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE WISDOM THAT THEY

HAVE.

GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM GREATER WISDOM AS THEY

MAKE CHOICES AND DECISIONS FOR OUR CITY AS WE LOOK FORWARD

TO THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU FOR THESE GREAT MEMBERS THAT SERVE OUR CITY.

THANK YOU FOR THESE OFFICERS AND SO MANY OTHERS THAT MAKE

OUR CITY WHAT IT IS.

WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS US IN THESE NEXT FEW MOMENTS,

BLESS THIS DAY, AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN CHRIST'S NAME,

EN.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

09:04:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, REVEREND.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

09:04:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.

ROLL CALL.

09:04:43 >>THE CLERK:
VIERA?

09:04:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
HERE.

09:04:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.




09:04:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

09:04:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.

09:04:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

09:04:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

09:04:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

09:04:54 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

09:04:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. SHELBY?

09:04:57 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF

THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL

ATTORNEY.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 22nd OF 2021.

WE'RE HERE AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY AND THIS WORKSHOP OF

THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS BEING CONDUCTED WITH A LIVE

IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL

CHAMBERS.

HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS

OF THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY

THROUGH VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA

STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY.

THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EMERGENCY

RULES OF PROCEDURE.

AS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN RESOLUTION 2020-225 AND AS

ENDED BY RESOLUTION 2020-490 AND RESOLUTION NUMBER




2021-241.

THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN

AND VIEW THE MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640, FRONTIER

CHANNEL 15, AND LIVE ON THE INTERNET AT

TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD, LIVESTREAM.

NOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND

ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ALTERNATE METHODS WHICH ARE

AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO BE SEEN.

THE INSTRUCTIONS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL, ONE WORD.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEND IN OR HAVE SENT IN WRITTEN

COMMENTS BY INTERNET, E-MAIL, U.S. MAIL.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT

AND THEY ARE, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A

COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA DEVICE HAVE THE OPTION OF PARTICIPATING

ON THE SECOND FLOOR AT OLD CITY HALL USING TECHNOLOGY THAT'S

BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.

THAT'S THE SECOND FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL, 315 EAST KENNEDY

BOULEVARD.

PLEASE NOTE THE USE OF MASKS AND DISTANCING INSIDE THE

BUILDING ARE REQUIRED.

NOW, REGISTRATION TO SPEAK REMOTELY HAD TO BE REQUESTED IN

ADVANCE AND THOSE INSTRUCTIONS AGAIN ARE ON THE CITY

COUNCIL'S WEBSITE, AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE WRITTEN

PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED BY MAIL AND E-MAIL HAVE BEEN

DELIVERED TO CITY COUNCIL.




I BELIEVE THAT ONE LAST ITEM, COUNCIL, IF ONE IS

PARTICIPATING IN THE WORKSHOP THROUGH THE CHAT FUNCTION, I

ASK THAT THE PUBLIC PLEASE REFRAIN FROM COMMUNICATING WITH

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS USING THE CHAT FUNCTION DURING THE

MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

09:07:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YESTERDAY

WAS ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS DAY.

I WANT TO THANK MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE, LISA, FOR ALL THAT SHE

DOES AND ALL SHE'S DONE THIS LAST YEAR SERVING HERE AS

CHAIR.

WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY, VERY MUCH AND WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE

IT WITHOUT YOU THAT GOES TO ALL THE AIDES.

09:07:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GREAT JOB THIS YEAR.

I WANT TO SAY SHE'S BEEN WONDERFUL TO EVERYBODY AND TO ALL

OF THE AIDES WHO HELP OUT, THANK YOU, LADIES.

09:08:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND GENTLEMAN.

LET'S NOT FORGET ABOUT TIM.

GOT TO TALK ABOUT MY AIDE.

09:08:11 >>LUIS VIERA:
YES, SIR.

SO IS THIS GOING TO BE YOUR LAST MORNING MEETING AS CHAIR.

09:08:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THIS IS MY LAST MORNING MEETING AS

CHAIR.

THIS EVENING WILL BE MY LAST MEETING AS CHAIR.




IN TWO WEEKS, WE HAVE ELECTIONS FOR A NEW CHAIR.

I'LL GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY, INSTEAD OF GIVING A SPEECH

TONIGHT OR NEXT TIME.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS HONOR TO SERVE AS CHAIRMAN.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING AND TRYING YEAR, BUT I

APPRECIATE THIS HONOR, AND WHOEVER IS THE NEXT CHAIR, I WISH

YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.

I HOPE IT GETS EASIER FROM HERE.

I KNOW IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD FROM WHAT WE'RE ALL

USED TO.

SO, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT, AND I THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING IN

ME AND SUPPORTING ME LAST YEAR IN ELECTING ME AS CHAIR.

I HOPE TO HAVE A GOOD LAST DAY HERE.

09:08:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, SIR.

09:09:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.

09:09:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LIKE YOU SAID, YOUR LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANCE, LIKE YOU POINTED

OUT, LISA, HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL HAVE CHAIR ELECTIONS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE'LL

START SEEING THOSE NEGATIVE ADS ON TV.

THAT'S A JOKE.

09:09:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR

LEADERSHIP.

THIS HAS BEEN A TOUGH 12 MONTHS FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE




WORLD UP. AND LISA HAVE RISEN TO THE OCCASION AND HELPED US

GET THROUGH ALL KINDS OF TECHNOLOGY AND DIFFERENT VENUES AND

MANAGE ISSUES.

I THINK YOUR DEMEANOR AND LEADERSHIP ENABLES SEVEN TYPE-A

PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AND STILL HOLD EVERYTHING

TOGETHER.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU AND THANKS TO LISA FOR ALL THE

HARD WORK.

THANKS TO ALL THE DIGITAL PEOPLE AND OTHER STAFF WHO HELPED

US GOING BACK AND FORTH AND CONTINUE TO HELP US WITH THE

EVOLUTION OF EVERYTHING.

09:09:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY AT THE CONVENTION CENTER.

EVERYBODY HERE AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

EVERYBODY AT CTTV.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER, JOHN BENNETT, HIS

LEADERSHIP AND WORK, REDOING THIS ROOM AND GOING BACK AND

FORTH AND GOING VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON, EVERYBODY HAD A HAND

IN IT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

09:10:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

A SONG HAS BEEN GOING ON IN MY HEAD ALL DAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THE KNACK AND MY SHARONA.

WELL, I'VE BEEN SINGING DAMN CORONA ALL DAY LONG.

WAIT FOR IT.




WAIT FOR IT.

THERE YOU GO.

WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED AS CHAIR, WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN

THE HALLWAY, AND I SAID IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH TIME.

YOU LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, "WE'RE MAKING HISTORY."

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR.

WE'VE MADE HISTORY ON A LOT OF FRONTS.

AND DUE TO THIS PANDEMIC, I FEEL THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS

BECOME STRONGER, MORE RESILIENT IN OUR ABILITIES TO MEET

BOTH HERE, VIRTUALLY.

WE HAVE GOTTEN WORK DONE, AND YOU HAVE BEEN THE LEAD ON ALL

OF IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU.

I WANT TO THANK YOUR LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND AGAIN EVERYBODY

WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY, CHIEF BENNETT, ALL OUR

LEGAL.

MARTIN SHELBY, BUT HATS OFF TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU FOR A WONDERFUL YEAR.

09:11:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.

I HOPE YOU ALL HAD A GOOD TIME.

THANK YOU FOR TOLERATING MY TERRIBLE JOKES.

YOU KNOW HOW I AM.

I'M A NERD AT HEART.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT SETTLES THAT.

PUBLIC COMMENT.




IF WE HAVE ANYBODY IN PERSON TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND FLOOR --

09:11:42 >> ARE WE DOING POLICE OFFICER?

09:11:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SEE THE POLICE STANDING THERE.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S DO THE POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH SINCE THEY ARE

HERE, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

09:12:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I HAVE TO RUN DOWN STAIRS.

PUT THE SONG IN YOUR HEAD AGAIN.

CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU DO NOT MIND, WE ARE HERE TO HONOR

DETECTIVE DANIEL McCLURE.

NOW, CHIEF KNOWS AND ALL THE TPD KNOW THAT IF I COULD GIVE

ONE OF THESE COMMENDATIONS OUT EVERY DAY TO OUR TPD

OFFICERS, ALL THE BRAVE WOMEN AND MEN, I WOULD, BUT WE'RE

ONLY ALLOWED TO GIVE ONE A MONTH.

AND THIS DESERVING OFFICER IS OUR CANDIDATE FOR TODAY.

AGAIN, CHIEF, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TELL THE REASONS WHY

THIS DETECTIVE IS WORTHY OF THIS.

BUT I FIRST WANT TO TELL THE PUBLIC THE SAME THING I ALWAYS

SAY.

WHEN THE TIME COMES AND THE POLICE ACADEMY, THE CITIZENS

POLICE ACADEMY COMES BACK, GO DO IT.

GO ENTER INTO IT.

SEE WHAT THESE OFFICERS GO THROUGH.

IT WOULD BE WORTH YOUR WHILE AND YOU'LL GET ALL NEW RESPECT

FOR OUR TPD OFFICERS.




CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL THE REASONS WHY THIS DETECTIVE

IS GOING TO RECEIVE THIS?

09:14:18 >> YES, THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE.

AS WE WERE STANDING THERE TALKING, I WAS TALKING TO DAN

BEFORE WE GOT STARTED, AND I TOLD HIM AT THE END IF HE

WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS, HE COULD.

AND HE HAS DECLINED.

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND WHAT

HE TOLD ME WAS I JUST DID MY JOB.

I DID WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

SO I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HIS WORK ETHIC AND HOW HE

BELIEVES POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD CARRY THEMSELVES AND THE

THINGS THAT THEY SHOULD DO.

YOU KNOW, DAN IS AN EXCEPTIONAL INVESTIGATOR.

HE IS THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL AND DEMONSTRATES A

WILLINGNESS TO TAKE SELF-INITIATED LEADERSHIP ROLE.

AND DURING MARCH 2021, HE WAS ASSIGNED AS A DISTRICT TWO

ADVERSE DETECTIVE WHERE HE DEMONSTRATED THOSE OUTSTANDING

LEADERSHIP SKILLS.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS, WHEN YOU'RE THE ADVERSE DETECTIVE, YOU

WORK THE NIGHT SHIFT.

AND YOU HANDLE WHATEVER CASES THAT MAY COME UP THAT REQUIRE




A DETECTIVE DO FOLLOW-UP.

THAT SAME MONTH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAD THE LOSS OF MPO

JESSE MADSEN IN A WRONG-WAY DRIVER CRASH.

THE INVESTIGATION REQUIRED MANY PATROL UNITS TO MAINTAIN THE

SCENE AND SUPERVISORS TO ENSURE THAT THE NUMEROUS TASKS THAT

NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT CRASH WERE COMPLETED.

AT THE SAME TIME, OTHER EMERGENCIES OCCURRED AND THE

PROTECTION OF OUR CITIZENS HAD TO BE PROVIDED.

DETECTIVE McCLURE STEPPED UP AND BECAME THE DISTRICT'S

ACTING SUPERVISOR AS WELL AS DOING THE WORK OF THE ONLY

ON-DUTY INVESTIGATOR THAT WAS NOT ASSIGNED TO THE FATALITY

ACCIDENT.

I THINK SOMETIMES THAT GETS LOST ON PEOPLE.

WHEN YOU HAVE THESE BIG SCENES, WHETHER IT BE A POLICE

OFFICER'S DEATH OR A MAJOR ACCIDENT, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF

PEOPLE TO STEP UP AND DO THEIR JOB.

STATEMENT, WE STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE POLICE SERVICES TO THE

REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

THERE WAS AN INCIDENT DURING THE SAME TIME AS THE ACCIDENT

WHERE SOMEONE HAD BEEN SHOT.

DETECTIVE McCLURE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO WORK INVESTIGATING

THE CASE AND LATER DURING THE SAME SHIFT, HE RESPOND TO A

REPORT OF MAN FLAGGING DOWN TRAFFIC AND LOOKING FOR HELP

BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN STABBED IN HIS THROAT.

DETECTIVE McCLURE WORKED WITH PATROL OFFICERS TO FOLLOW A




BLOOD TRAIL BACK TO THE MOTEL ROOM.

HE WORKED THIS INVESTIGATION AND DEVELOPED LEADS UNTIL HIS

DAY SHIFT TIME, AND THE OFFICERS DURING THE DAY WERE ABLE TO

TAKE OVER.

HIS INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE AND COORDINATION OF INFORMATION

AND THE RESOURCES MADE THE TRANSITION OF THE INVESTIGATION

THROUGH OTHER DETECTIVES SEAMLESS.

IN A DIFFERENT CASE, DETECTIVE McCLURE WORKS VERY HARD TO

PROVE INNOCENCE JUST AS HE DOES TO PROVE GUILT.

TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS BOTH MATCHING A DESCRIPTION A WITNESS

GAVE OF AN AUTO BURGLARY SUSPECT HAD FLED FROM OFFICERS AS

THEY APPROACHED THE AREA.

PATROL OFFICERS HAD ONE OF THE SUBJECTS DETAINED.

A HELICOPTER WAS RESPONDING TO THE AREA WHERE OFFICERS WERE

SETTING UP A PERIMETER TO LOCATE THE OTHER SUBJECT.

DETECTIVE McCLURE RESPONDED TO WHERE THE ONE SUBJECT WAS

BEING HELD.

WHILE TALKING TO DETECTIVE McCLURE, THE SUBJECT ADMITTED

TO RUNNING FROM THE POLICE, BUT HE INSISTED THAT HE WAS

INNOCENT AND WAS AT HOME WITH HIS MOTHER AT THE TIME OF THE

BURGLARY.

SO MOST PEOPLE, MOST COPS WOULD THINK, WELL, IF YOU'RE

INNOCENT, WHY DID YOU RUN FROM THE POLICE?

HE'S SAYING HE WAS AT HOME WITH HIS MOTHER AT THE TIME.

HIS DESCRIPTION AND THE FACT THAT HE FLED FROM OFFICERS GAVE




THEM REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT HE WAS THE SUSPECT AND

PROBABLE CAUSE FOR AN ARREST AT THE TIME.

BUT DAN McCLURE DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB ENSURING THAT A

THOROUGH INVESTIGATION WAS CONDUCTED AND FOLLOWED UP ON THE

SUSPECT'S STATEMENTS.

BECAUSE OF THIS, HE WAS ABLE TO EXONERATE THE SUBJECT FROM A

VIDEO HE LOCATED WHICH SHOWED HIM AT THE HOUSE AT THE TIME

OF THE OFFENSE.

HERE HE WAS ABLE TO CLEAR SOMEBODY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN

ARRESTED BUT WASN'T AND WHO DID NOT DO THE CRIME.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

WHETHER HE'S DEALING WITH A VICTIM OR A SUSPECT, DETECTIVE

McCLURE FULFILLS THE IDEALS OF THE MISSION OF THE TAMPA

POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THAT IS TO REDUCE CRIME AND ENHANCE

THE QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH

ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.

IN RECOGNITION OF HIS HARD WORK AND EXCELLENT INVESTIGATIVE

SKILLS, DETECTIVE DAN McCLURE HAS BEEN SELECTED AS OFFICER

OF THE MONTH FOR MARCH 2021.

CONGRATULATIONS.

09:19:03 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:19:13 >> BECAUSE OF YOUR DEDICATION TO SERVICE, COMMITMENT TO

EXCELLENCE, AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY, YOU

HAVE BEEN CHOSEN FOR THIS MARK OF DISTINCTION AS OFFICER OF

THE MONTH.




TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, YOUR PEERS, YOU'RE SUPERIORS WOULD LIKE

TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, DEDICATION TO THE

COMMUNITY IN WHICH YOU SERVE.

WE COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, PROFESSIONALISM,

FAIRNESS, AND STRONG WORK ETHICS.

IN HONOR OF THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, I AM HONORED BY THE

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO PRESENT DETECTIVE DANIEL McCLURE

WITH THIS COMMENDATION, APRIL 22nd, 2021.

CONGRATULATIONS.

09:19:56 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

09:20:03 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM THE

COUNCILMEN.

09:20:08 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

DETECTIVE, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.

WHAT THE CHIEF SAID ABOUT YOU SAYING, LOOK, I'M JUST DOING

MY JOB, AND WE'RE HONORING YOU FOR THAT.

THE TRUTH IS, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT JOB THAT YOU HAVE, AND

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO WHICH IS A VERY SMALL TOKEN OF

APPRECIATION TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DO WHAT YOU DO.

BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE REALLY, TO MEASURE THE JOB THAT YOU DO,

WHAT THE CHIEF JUST WENT OVER DAY BY DAY WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO

GO THROUGH IN DEALING WITH TRAUMATIC SITUATIONS LIKE THAT,

JUST LAST NIGHT IN NEW TAMPA, A MOTHER DROWNED AFTER A CAR

ACCIDENT.

HER 12-YEAR-OLD GOT OUT.




FIRST RESPONDERS WERE AT THE SCENE, POLICE OFFICERS,

FIREFIGHTERS, E.M.S., THE THINGS THOSE MEN AND WOMEN GO

THROUGH IN SEEING THAT SITUATION, HOW DO YOU PROPERLY THANK

SOMEBODY FOR THAT.

YOU DON'T.

OR YOU CAN'T, I SHOULD SAY.

THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT YOU

GUYS DO, YOU MEN AND WOMEN DO ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS.

TRY TO HAVE AS MUCH RESPECT AS WE CAN AND TRY TO JUST BE AS

SUPPORTIVE AS WE CAN, NOT JUST FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU, BUT ALSO

FOR YOUR FAMILIES AND SENDING YOU ALL OFF EVERY DAY FOR A

JOB THAT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

THIS IS A TINY TOKEN OF ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT COUNCIL CAN

DO AND THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN DO JUST TO SHOW OUR

APPRECIATION.

BUT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU.

09:21:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, COUNCIL

MEMBER VIERA.

I KNOW WHAT AN ADVERSE DETECTIVE DOES.

IT'S A BUSY TIME IN THE EVENING TIME, GUY COMES ON, AND

EVERYONE IS LOOKING FOR A DETECTIVE.

WHEN THAT ADVERSE DETECTIVE COMES ON, HE HAS A LOT OF

RESPONSIBILITIES BECAUSE HE MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON TO HANDLE

MULTIPLE INCIDENTS LIKE THE CHIEF WAS SAYING.




HE HAD A BUNCH OF THINGS GOING ON.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT REALLY GOT TO ME WHEN THE CHIEF READ

ABOUT THAT HE TOOK THE EXTRA TIME TO NOT TAKE AN INNOCENT

PERSON TO JAIL, THAT SAYS A LOT THAT YOU TOOK THE EXTRA

STEPS TO MAKE SURE AND NOT JUST SAY, WELL, I THINK I GOT A

PERSON.

WE'LL LET THE STATE ATTORNEY FIND OUT, WHATEVER.

YOU TOOK THE EXTRA STEPS TO DO THE JOB.

I HAVE TO COMMEND YOU FOR THAT.

THAT'S GREAT WORK ETHIC.

AGAIN, THIS IS A BIG DAY.

I KNOW YOU'RE HUMBLED AND WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

AGAIN, I'VE BEEN THERE WHERE YOU ARE AT.

I KNOW THE FEELING YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO

FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

09:22:40 >> THANK YOU.

09:22:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

09:22:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO AND YOUR COLLEAGUES

FOR KEEPING ALL OF US SAFE AND FOR FACING THE SITUATIONS

THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO FACE EVERY DAY.

MOST OF US COULDN'T FACE THE STRESS AND THE HORRORS THAT YOU

ALL DEAL WITH.




I THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

ALSO, SORRY IF I MISSED IT, CHIEF DUGAN, BUT THE PERSON WHO

WAS STABBED IN THE NECK, DID HE SURVIVE OR NOT?

09:23:12 >> YES, HE DID.

09:23:13 >>BILL CARLSON:
HE DID.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, YOU SAVED A LIFE THERE, SO THANK YOU.

09:23:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE?

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR, ON THIS WELL RECEIVED HONOR.

AGAIN, AS COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, THIS IS A SMALL TOKEN OF

OUR APPRECIATION SO WE THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, SIR?

09:23:31 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:23:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, IF WE CAN, WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT

HIM WITH A FEW GIFTS FROM OUR PARTNERS IN THIS, IS THAT ALL

RIGHT WITH YOU?

09:23:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

09:23:44 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

JIMMY OWENS, VICE PRESIDENT OF TAMPA PBA.

FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THE

OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE ONE OF OUR MEMBERS A COMMENDATION FOR

THE GREAT WORK THEY DID IN THE PREVIOUS MONTH AND OBVIOUSLY

FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND SO FORTH.

DETECTIVE McCLURE, I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR QUITE A WHILE.




I KNEW HE HAD A COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO

WHEN I WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH HIM IN THE DETECTIVES DIVISION.

HE WAS ASSIGNED TO OUR DIVISION AS AN OFFICER.

AT THAT POINT, HIS WORK PRODUCT AND HIS SKILLS WERE THAT OF

SOMEONE WHO IS MUCH SENIOR THAN WHAT HE WAS AT THE TIME.

WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT HIM THIS PLAQUE ON BEHALF OF

THE TAMPA PBA.

09:24:30 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

STEVE MICHELINI.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND

ENTERPRISES, ONE OF THEM IS THE TAMPA METROPOLITAN YMCA.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE THE DETECTIVE McCLURE WITH A

GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN ENJOY HIMSELF AT THE Y.

ON BEHALF OF THE CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP, PROVIDING HIM WITH

A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN ENJOY HIMSELF BREAKFAST, LUNCH,

OR DINNER AT THEIR RESTAURANTS.

ON BEHALF OF PRESTIGE PORTRAITS, WE'RE PROVIDING HIM WITH A

GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN HAVE HIS FAMILY PORTRAITS DONE OR

HIS INDIVIDUAL.

AND ON BEHALF OF THE YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, WE'RE

PROVIDING HIM WITH A GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN ENJOY

HIMSELF AT LUNCH OR DINNER.

WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS SERVICE TO THIS

COMMUNITY, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE WHAT HE'S DOING.

AND WE JOIN THE MANY OTHERS WHO STAND BEHIND THE BLUE, AND




WE APPRECIATE THOSE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE HAD THAT

GREAT SERVICE TO SPEAK UP AND ACKNOWLEDGE IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

09:25:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:25:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
MR. CHAIR, ON BEHALF OF MS. MARY LOU BAILEY

FROM ZOO TAMPA, SHE COULD NOT BE HERE, BUT SHE LEFT THE

DETECTIVE SOME PASSES TO ZOO TAMPA.

I HOPE YOU ACCEPT THOSE.

ALSO, DETECTIVE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE USUALLY

HERE THAT COULD NOT MAKE IT TODAY, BUT THEY WILL MAKE SURE

THAT YOU RECEIVE THOSE THINGS.

AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK ANYMORE?

09:26:02 >> NO, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:26:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE YOU SURE.

09:26:06 >> POSITIVE.

09:26:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, DETECTIVE.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

I'VE BEEN INFORMED ONCE OUR POSITIVITY RATE DROPS BELOW

FIVE, THE TALKS OF THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY FOR THE TAMPA

PD WILL BE BACK.

AGAIN, I URGE EVERYONE TO ATTEND THAT PROGRAM JUST TO SEE

WHAT OUR POLICE OFFICERS GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY DAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.




09:26:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL SANITIZE THE LECTERN AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THOSE

HERE IN PERSON, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK IN PERSON FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE

COME TO THE KIOSK AND STATE YOUR NAME.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

09:27:19 >> MY NAME IS LINDA QUINN.

09:27:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, MA'AM.

GO AHEAD.

09:27:25 >> I WANT TO TURN ON MY TIMER HERE SO THEN I SHARE AND STAY

WITHIN MY LIMITS.

MY NAME IS LINDA QUINN.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED ARMENIA GARDENS ESTATES.

I HAVE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEGREE, A PARALEGAL DEGREE AND A

DEGREE IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT MY CONCERN WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

APPARENTLY IT HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL INCARNATIONS, AND NOW

IT SEEMS TO NOT BE SO EQUITABLE TO CITIZENS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION SETS FORTH LANGUAGE TO

PROTECT CITIZENS FOR HARMFUL EFFECTS OF NOISE POLLUTION.

WHO HAS DONE STUDIES TO SHOW THAT NOISE POLLUTION, IT

DECREASES PRODUCTIVITY.




IT REDUCES READING ATTENUATION.

IT CAUSES SLEEP DISTURBANCES.

IT INCREASES AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR IN PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY

AGGRESSIVE, AND IT ALSO HAS CHILDREN, THEY SUFFER FROM

LEARNED HELPLESSNESS.

THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY, IT ONLY HAS

SUBJECTIVE MEASURES.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE OBJECTIVE MEASUREMENTS HAVE BEEN

DELETED ON OR ABOUT MARCH 2017, WHERE THEY RECORDED DECIBEL

LEVELS, AND NOW IT'S SOLELY SUBJECTIVE.

IT HAS TO BE DONE WITH A SWORN COMPLAINT FROM A PERSON, AND

THE MEASUREMENT HAS TO BE TAKEN WITHIN THE HOME.

MANY PEOPLE ARE VERY FRIGHTENED TO REPORT NOISE COMPLAINTS

FROM BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORS.

THEY ARE AFRAID OF RAMIFICATIONS AND THAT CAUSES A BIG

PROBLEM.

SOME OF THE THINGS, AND I SENT OVER SOME PAPERWORK WHERE I

DID MY RESEARCH, PROPER MACHINERY NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN

DISTRICT TWO.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS ONLY DISTRICT ONE HAS NOISE METERS.

THESE NOISE METERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECORD DBC WHICH

RECORDS LOW-LEVEL FREQUENCY, AND THAT IS WHAT IS MOST

BOTHERSOME AND PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITIZENS BECAUSE IT'S THE

BASS THAT YOU HEAR THROUGH THE GROUND.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER HAVING SOME SORT OF A TASK




FORCE SPECIALIZED TRAINED, DEDICATED PERSONNEL, RATHER THAN

USING TPD FOR NOISE COMPLAINT CALLS BECAUSE THERE ARE A

CONSTELLATION OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

AND I'M ALMOST OUT OF TIME.

THE CODE NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN VERY SPECIFICALLY SO THEN IT'S

DEFENSIBLE ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIG PROBLEM.

IT'S NOT THAT YOU CAN LISTEN TO MUSIC AT ANY VOLUME, IT'S

NOT YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.

IT IS THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT OF LISTENING TO WHATEVER

YOU'D LIKE.

AND MY TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME SPEAK.

09:30:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

09:30:38 >>LUIS VIERA:
HOW MANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT?

09:30:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIX OR SEVEN IN PERSON AND A COUPLE

REGISTERED.

09:30:44 >>LUIS VIERA:
NOT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON, BUT I

KNOW HE HAD TO DO HIS PRESENTATION AT 9:30, WAS IT, SIR?

09:30:52 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST BY 10:30.

I APPRECIATE IT.




LET'S LET PUBLIC COMMENT GO.

09:31:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

09:31:07 >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS CLAYTON LONG.

I LIVE WITH MY WIFE AT 1815 EAST 18th AVENUE IN EAST

TAMPA, NORTH YBOR AREA.

EXACTLY ONE AND POINT EIGHT MILES FROM THIS LOCATION.

I'M A BUSINESS OWNER.

LIFE LONG TAMPA RESIDENT.

I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION

SERVICES.

I ALSO ECHO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER'S CONCERNS ON THE NOISE

STUFF, TOO, BY THE WAY.

LAST WEEK, I CAME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT SOME

PROBLEMS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNING

AN INVESTOR.

HE HAD CONSTRUCTION CREWS DOING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF

UNPERMITTED WORK ON AT LEAST TWO PROPERTIES IN THE EAST

TAMPA, NORTH YBOR AREA.

ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND THE FOCUS OF MY VISIT LAST WEEK

IS NEXT DOOR TO ME.

IT HAD TWO STOP WORK ORDERS ATTACHED TO IT.

I SPOKE ABOUT HOW AFTER THE FIRST STOP WORK ORDER, THE OWNER




SUBMITTED AN OWNER BUILDER PERMIT APPLICATION.

I ALSO DISCUSSED HOW THE PLANS FOR HIS PERMIT APPLICATION

DID NOT MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR HIS SCOPE OF WORK

AND YET THEY WERE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY AFTER INITIAL REVIEW.

MEANWHILE, MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET WHOSE HOUSE HAS

BEEN IN HIS FAMILY FOR GENERATIONS IS STRUGGLING TO GET HIS

PLANS APPROVED BY THE CITY TO PUT A SHED ON HIS

10,000-SQUARE-FOOT PROPERTY THAT IS PRESENTLY BEING BUILT BY

A SHED BUILDING COMPANY COMPLETE WITH DETAILED, SIGNED, AND

SEALED PLANS WITH FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVALS.

THAT ASIDE, I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT JC HUTCHINSON AT TAMPA

CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTACTED ME THIS WEEK TO SAY THAT HE

AGREES THAT THE PLANS SUBMITTED BY THE OWNER OF 1813 EAST

18th AVENUE DID NOT MEET THE SCOPE OF WORK IDENTIFIED NOR

DID THEY MEET THE CITY'S BUILDING PLAN REQUIREMENTS.

HE ALSO SAID THAT HE WILL ASSURE ME THAT THE PLANS WILL BE

SUBMITTED TO SPEC BEFORE WORK BEGINS.

THIS IS A SMALL VICTORY FOR MY BLOCK, AND IT'S A SMALL

VICTORY FOR EAST TAMPA WHICH HAS CERTAINLY SEEN AND WHICH

CONTINUES TO SEE ITS SHARE OF PREDATORY REAL ESTATE

INVESTORS.

SO ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND MYSELF, I THINK A

THANK-YOU IS IN ORDER BECAUSE SMALL VICTORIES ARE STILL

VICTORIES.

AND THIS VICTORY HAD SOME HELP FROM TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.




SO THANK YOU, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZE COUNCILMAN GUDES WHO

VISITED MY NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNING THIS MATTER.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR SHOWING UP FOR EAST TAMPA.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.

CERTAINLY, THE WORK IS NOT DONE, FROM WHERE MY NEIGHBORS AND

I STAND, IT IS FAR TOO EASY FOR PREDATORY REAL ESTATE

INVESTORS TO PREY ON STRUGGLING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT IS FAR

TOO DIFFICULT FOR LONGTIME HOMEOWNER RESIDENTS TO IMPROVE

THEIR OWN PROPERTIES.

IF NOTHING ELSE, I HOPE MY NEIGHBORHOOD'S EXAMPLE HIGHLIGHTS

THIS PRESENT REALITY.

THANK YOU.

09:33:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SANITIZE THE LECTERN AND HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER.

YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

09:34:18 >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA.

YOU KNOW, I'M HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK, AND I'M ALWAYS HERE TO

SAY THE SAME THING THAT WE REPRESENT 26% OF THIS POPULATION,

AND WE DON'T GET 26% OF ANY OF THE GOODNESS OUT OF THIS

CITY.

AND WHAT IT IS THROUGH DISTRACTIONS AND INTIMIDATION, BLACK

PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN GET TO DISCUSS THE REAL SITUATIONS,




THROUGH DISTRACTIONS AND INTIMIDATION, THROUGH BULLYING,

CITY COUNCIL HAS A REPUTATION OF BULLYING AFRICAN PEOPLE

THINKING THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED BY THE THINGS

THEY DO, THE WAY THEY GO ABOUT, HAVE A BIG POLICE PRESENCE

FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUTSIDE THE WHOLE WORKS.

THAT'S A FORM OF INTIMIDATION.

IT'S A FORM OF BULLYING.

IT'S A FORM OF SHOWING AFRICAN PEOPLE WOULD NEVER GET TO

DISCUSS OUR REAL SITUATIONS, OUR REAL SITUATIONS OF

COLONIALISM, CAPITALISM, REPARATIONS, POLICE VIOLENCE,

600,000 BICYCLE STOPS RIGHT IN THE CITY.

THE POLICE NATIONWIDE KILL ABOUT -- MURDER ABOUT A HUNDRED

AFRICAN PEOPLE EVERY DAY AS GOD MADE DAY.

MURDERED BY THE HUNDRED AFRICAN PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY, THE

POLICE, THE POLICE GANGS, POLICE OUTLAW UNITS, PEOPLE WITH

POLICE, KU KLUX KLAN INFILTRATED POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL

THIS STUFF GOING ON.

WHAT HAPPENS IS DEVELOPERS RUN THIS CITY AND THE CITY IS ON

AUTOMATIC.

AND WHEN AFRICAN PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR

SITUATIONS ABOUT OUR TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS, NOBODY WANT TO

HEAR ABOUT IT.

UNDERSTAND?

600 YEARS WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THIS AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.

600 YEARS.




SO I'M NOT CONFUSED BY THE DISTRACTIONS.

I'M NOT CONFUSED BY THE BULLYING OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE

SITTING UPSTAIRS THINKING THEY ARE SITTING UP HIGH ABOUT THE

BULLYING, ABOUT THE, HEY, WE WOULD BE ARRESTED.

YOU CAN'T SPEAK.

YOU CAN'T SAY THIS.

YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS US AS A BODY.

YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT US INDIVIDUALLY.

IT'S JUST ALL PART OF BULLYING.

THAT'S ALL IT IS.

THAT'S WHAT THE BULLY DO.

AND THEY WANT AFRICAN PEOPLE TO BE SCARED.

BUT THE FACTS OF THE MATTER IS ALWAYS, I'M GOING TO BE AN

INSPIRATION FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE TO LET OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, OUR

ELDERLY PEOPLE, PEOPLE SHUT IN, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING

HOMELESSNESS, MENTAL ILLNESS AND ALL THE OTHER TRIALS AND

TRIBULATIONS.

PEOPLE EXPERIENCING DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION DUE TO CHILD

SUPPORT AND OTHER NONSENSE.

NONSENSE.

HATRED.

HATEFUL THINGS THEY DO TO AFRICAN PEOPLE.

BICYCLES STOPPING YOU AND YOU CAN'T GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

BICYCLES STOPPING YOU AND YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE SITTING

UPSTAIRS WANT TO BE TREATED AS KINGS AND QUEENS.




YOU CAN TELL HOW DISCRIMINATORY THE THING IS.

NOT ONE WOMAN SITTING UP THERE.

NOT ONE FEMALE SITTING UP THERE.

SO IT'S NOT A TRUE REFLECTION OR REPRESENTATION OF THE

POPULATION.

YOU UNDERSTAND?

AND NOBODY REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE.

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT REPARATIONS.

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT POLICE VIOLENCE.

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT 26% OF THE POPULATION THAT WE REPRESENT,

WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF THE DEAL?

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NOTHING.

AND CITY COUNCIL UPSTAIRS CAN'T DO NOTHING, NOT GOING TO DO

ANYTHING.

GO DOWN IN SOUTH TAMPA.

GO DOWN IN MY AREA IN SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA AND SEE WHAT

THEY ARE DOING.

BAYSHORE BOULEVARD.

GO AND SEE WHEN IT RAINS JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER ON DALE

MABRY AND HENDERSON, HIGH FLOODS, WITH JUST 20 MINUTES OF

RAIN AND SEE HOW THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR SO MANY YEARS.

09:37:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT SPEAKER.




YES, MA'AM.

GO AHEAD.

09:38:05 >> GOOD MORNING.

THE NATION HAD A SIGH OF RELIEF.

09:38:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YOUR NAME.

09:38:14 >> CONNIE BURTON.

I'M SORRY.

THE NATION HAD A SIGH OF RELIEF FROM THE VERDICT THE OTHER

DAY.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS CITY AND THIS COUNCIL DO NOT

FORGET THE DEATH OF ARTHUR GREEN, AND HOW THAT HAS GONE

UNSOLVED.

SO WHY PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRACTICES AND PATTERNS AND

HOW NOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS MOVING IN TO LOOK AT

CITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY THAT HAVE THE PRACTICES OF

FURTHER INTIMIDATING AFRICAN PEOPLE, NOT RECOGNIZING WHEN

PEOPLE ARE IN DISTRESS, BUT IT LEADS TO NOT ONLY BODILY HARM

BUT SOMETIMES DEATH.

AND TO YOU, COUNCILMAN, AS YOU ARE ABOUT TO CELEBRATE YOUR

ONE-YEAR RETIREMENT AS THE CHAIR, I'M REMINDED OF ALL OF THE

FORMER MAYORS THAT HAD ABOUT EIGHT YEARS IN THEIR

RELATIONSHIP LEADING THE CITY.

AND WE JUST LOOK AT THE LAST FOUR, THAT WOULD AMOUNT TO

ABOUT 32 YEARS.

AND I RECOGNIZE THAT AS ONGOING, WILLFUL PRACTICE OF DENYING




THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY TO BE A SELF-DETERMINED COMMUNITY.

WE CAN IDENTIFY.

WE COME DOWN HERE AND WE IDENTIFY EVERY WEEK THE ISSUES THAT

ARE PLAGUING OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT WHEN YOU HEAR EVEN MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN LEADERSHIP TALK

ABOUT HOW OTHERS, THE OTHERS, IT'S FRIGHTENING TO THE

MAJORITY.

THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS POOR PEOPLE.

THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS HIGH UNEMPLOYED GROUP.

THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED AS THOSE THAT DO NOT HAVE

IMMACULATE HOMES.

THE OTHERS ARE IDENTIFIED THAT HAVE CRIMINAL HISTORY.

THERE IS LACKING LEADERSHIP TO DEAL WITH SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS

INSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY AS WE CONTINUE TO PLAY A REVOLVING

CHAIR OF MOVING FOLKS.

BUT THE ISSUES WILL NOT GO AWAY.

THE ISSUES HAVE NOT GONE AWAY IN SPITE OF WHO IS THE CHAIR,

IN SPITE OF WHO HAS BEEN THE MAYOR.

WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES, AND IT IS BECAUSE

THERE'S A WILLFUL PRACTICE TO IGNORE IT.

THANK YOU.

09:40:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT SPEAKER.

YES, MA'AM.




GO AHEAD.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

09:41:14 >> HI.

I'M BLACK ROSE.

LONG-TERM TAMPA RESIDENT MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE.

I SPOKE LAST YEAR A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES IN REGARDS TO THE

BUDGET INCREASE.

I'M SPEAKING TODAY BECAUSE LAST WEEK, THERE WERE COMMENTS

MADE THAT IF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE THINGS HAPPEN, THE

PUBLIC NEEDS TO SHOW UP.

THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO SPEAK.

WELL, I'M HERE TO SAY THAT THE PUBLIC SHOWED UP AND SPOKE

ALL DURING THE PANDEMIC LAST YEAR.

WE SPOKE OUT EVERY SINGLE MEETING ABOUT NOT WANTING TO SEE

THE POLICE BUDGET INCREASED, EVERY SINGLE MEETING.

THE DAY THAT YOU VOTED, THERE WERE 40 PEOPLE WHO SAID DON'T

DO IT.

ZERO PEOPLE WHO SAID DO IT, AND YOU STILL VOTED FOR THE

INCREASE.

SO IF YOU WANT THE CONSTITUENTS TO SHOW UP AND PARTICIPATE,

MAYBE START LISTENING TO THEM.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE ARE

SPEAKING.

THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU WHAT THEY NEED AND YOU

CONTINUE TO BE IN THE POCKET OF THE MAYOR.




YOU CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE MAYOR WANTS YOU TO DO INSTEAD OF

WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT YOU TO DO.

WHO GOT YOU INTO YOUR POSITION?

WHO PUT YOU INTO THIS?

BECAUSE I KNOW IT WASN'T THE MAYOR.

YOU GOT VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE.

REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR.

STOP TELLING US TO SHOW UP AND THEN YOU'LL DO STUFF.

WE ARE SPEAKING TO YOU.

WE SPEAK TO YOU WHEN WE'RE AT CITY COUNCIL.

WE SPEAK TO YOU OUTSIDE OF CITY COUNCIL.

THE PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING.

YOU NEED TO LISTEN.

09:42:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

09:43:04 >> MY NAME IS CLAY DANIELS.

I'VE BEEN UP HERE SO MANY TIMES.

THIS NOISE IS OUT OF CONTROL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.

SOUTH TAMPA, THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE NIGHTCLUB THAT BASS

BOUNCING.

THROW THOSE METERS IN THE GARBAGE CAN AND USE COMMON SENSE

AND LET IT BE THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE OFFICERS BECAUSE




THE NOISE IS JUST BAD.

IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.

THE CARS RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD PLAYING MUSIC LOUD 3:00 AND

4:00 IN THE MORNING.

PEOPLE CAN'T SLEEP.

I'M 70 YEARS OLD.

I CAN'T GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP.

IT'S TERRIBLE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CONTROL NOBODY LIFE.

PEOPLE SHOULD ENJOY THEIR LIFE, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF

OTHER PEOPLE SUFFERING.

THIS NOISE IS BAD.

AND THIS IS WHY I'M ASKING THE CITY TO GET THIS GRANT, TO

GET A POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO GET THIS GRANT, GET THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT, HAVE ONE POLICE OFFICER DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM

WITH THE NOISE, AND ALSO, WE ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE

PROBLEM OF THE DUMPING IN EAST TAMPA, BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM

WITH THIS NOISE.

THIS NOISE IS UNBEARABLE.

IT'S GETTING WORSE.

THAT BOOM, BOOM, THAT THUMPING YOUR WHOLE HOUSE, DROPPING

LIKE YOU DROPPING BOMBS OUTDOORS.

IF WE CAN GO TO THE MOON, WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

NOISE.

THIS NOISE IS OUT OF CONTROL.




WE NEED TO GET CONTROL OF IT.

AND THIS YEAR, I THINK I GO WITH THE NOISE BECAUSE THEY

BEGIN TO LISTEN AND I THINK WE'LL GET SOMETHING

ACCOMPLISHED.

BECAUSE THEY BEEN DOING SOME THINGS AND I SEE A LITTLE

PROGRESS, BUT THE NOISE IS STILL BAD.

AND SOMETIME I ASKED OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT LIVE IN

OTHER DISTRICTS THAT COME OVER IN EAST TAMPA, MOVE AROUND A

LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

THIS NOISE IS UNBEARABLE.

IT IS TERRIBLE.

AND I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE SOHO DISTRICT TAKING A BEATING

FROM THE NIGHTCLUB BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING A BEATING FROM THE

CARS.

LIKE I SAID, THE CITY NEED TO TAKE THOSE METERS AND THROW

THEM IN THE GARBAGE CAN.

THEY ARE NO GOOD.

JUST USE COMMON SENSE.

LET IT BE THE DISCRETION OF THE POLICE OFFICER TO DEAL WITH

THE NOISE PROBLEM.

NOT ONLY IT'S A PROBLEM, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM.

THE CITY HAVE WAITED TOO LONG TO LET THIS CONTINUE TO GO ON

DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR.

WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU.




09:45:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

I BELIEVE THIS GENTLEMAN WAS THE LAST IN-PERSON SPEAKER.

IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE HAVE THE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

WE'LL BEGIN.

WE HAVE JUST A FEW.

A FEW SPEAKERS.

WE'LL START WITH THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS.

09:45:36 >>THE CLERK:
THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR.

THE FIRST SPEAKER I HAVE A JANET SCHERBERGER, IF YOU HEAR

ME, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:45:46 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:45:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, WE CAN.

09:45:49 >> GOOD MORNING.

JANET SCHERBERGER, PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF WALK, BIKE

TAMPA.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR SCHEDULING THE WORKSHOP TODAY ON

THE SIDEWALK CODE.

WALK BIKE TAMPA APPRECIATES IT AND THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA

APPRECIATE IT.

TAMPA HAS A SIDEWALK PROBLEM.

THE CITY STAFF ESTIMATES THAT THERE ARE 1300 MILES OF

SIDEWALK GAPS IN THE CITY.

MANY OF THOSE GAPS ARE YOUR SCHOOLS, PARKS, AND BUS STOPS,

AND THOSE GAPS ARE IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.




YOU HAVE RECEIVED SUPPORT LETTERS FOR APPROVING THE SIDEWALK

CODE FROM NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF GANDY TO NEW TAMPA AND

EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN.

IN A RECENT COMMUNITY HEALTH SURVEY, 55% OF RESIDENTS IN

EAST TAMPA AND 67% IN SULPHUR SPRINGS SAY THEY DON'T HAVE

SAFE SIDEWALKS.

FILLING IN THOSE GAPS, SIDEWALK GAPS, AND MAINTAINING

EXISTING SIDEWALKS WILL TAKE A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES.

ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD HAVE ALLOCATED MILLIONS FOR

SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS BUT SADLY THAT MONEY IS NOT AVAILABLE

TO US.

HOPEFULLY IN A FEW YEARS IT WILL BE BACK.

WE KNOW THE CITY BUDGET IS TIGHT WITH GENERAL REVENUES

PAYING FOR SUCH IMPORTANT SERVICES AS POLICE AND FIRE RESCUE

AND COMMUNITY CENTERS.

THE CITY CURRENTLY BUDGETS ENOUGH TO INSTALL ABOUT ONE MILE

OF NEW SIDEWALK EACH YEAR AND ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THE ONES

WE HAVE.

IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO INCREASE THAT INVESTMENT AND PUT SOME

DOLLARS BEHIND THE CITY'S VISION ZERO GOALS.

THE SIDEWALK CODE YOU ARE DISCUSSING TODAY IS JUST ONE MORE

TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.

WHEN IT WAS PASSED MORE THAN 15 YEARS AGO, IT WAS INTENDED

TO FILL IN GAPS PARCEL BY PARCEL BY REQUIRING SIDEWALKS WITH

NEW CONSTRUCTION OR PAYMENT TO A SIDEWALK FUND IN CASES




WHERE A SIDEWALK CAN'T BE BUILT.

BUT WAIVERS ADDED IN LATER YEARS NOW MEAN THAT TOO OFTEN NO

SIDEWALKS ARE INSTALLED AND NO PAYMENT IS MADE INTO THE

FUND.

MOST CURIOUS IS THE WAIVER FOR BUILDING A SIDEWALK AND A

WAIVER FOR PAYING INTO THE FUND IF THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS

NEARBY.

THIS EVISCERATES THE VERY GOAL OF THE ORDINANCE'S ORIGINAL

INTENT AND MEANS THAT ONCE THERE IS NO SIDEWALK IN THE

NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE MAY NEVER BE ONE.

TAMPA IS EXPERIENCING A BUILDING BOOM.

LET'S MAKE SURE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION INCLUDES SIDEWALKS

THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND IF IT CAN'T, LET'S MAKE SURE

PAYMENTS ARE MADE TO THE SIDEWALK FUND.

THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS ISSUE.

09:47:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER.

09:48:01 >>THE CLERK:
YES, THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ALLISON DAY.

MS. DAY, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:48:10 >> HI.

GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS ALLISON.

AND I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA.

AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SIDEWALK CODE, TOO, THE




SIDEWALK ISSUE.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE CITY TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS ON

SOUTH CAROLINA, A MAIN ACCESS ROAD FOR PEDESTRIANS AND

BICYCLISTS TO GET TO BAYSHORE.

THIS IS ALSO THE STREET USED BY MY 93-YEAR-OLD MOTHER, WHO

DESPITE HER FALL WALKING ON THAT STREET IN OCTOBER, SO THAT

SHE NOW HAS TO USE A WALKER AND BE WITH AN ESCORT, I HAVE

BEEN ABLE TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE AWARE OF THE

VULNERABILITY OF PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES FROM WALKING WITH

HER.

LAST WEEKEND, I WAS INVOLVED IN A WALK BIKE TAMPA STREET

AUDIT OF SOUTH CAROLINA, WHICH ALLOWED RESIDENTS IN THAT

AREA TO RECORD THE DANGERS ON THAT STREET.

AND WHILE WE LIVE IN A CAR CULTURE AND WHILE VEHICLES HAVE

MORE SAFETY FEATURES, CARS KILL MORE THAN 400,000 -- I MEAN,

40,000 -- SORRY -- AMERICANS ANNUALLY, AND WE HAVE COME TO

ACCEPT THAT.

WE WILL NEVER GET RID OF ALL THE DEATHS AND ACCIDENTS CAUSED

BY VEHICLES.

THEY CAN BE GREATLY REDUCED BY HAVING SAFE SIDEWALKS AND

PROPER BIKE LANES, AND I HOPE THIS CAN BE DONE WITH

IMPROVEMENT OF THE SIDEWALK CODE IN OUR CITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

09:49:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER.




09:49:51 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER WE HAVE IS JANE STROHMEYER.

09:49:58 >> I THINK I'M UNMUTED.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

HELLO?

09:50:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
IF WE COULD TURN THE VOLUME UP.

WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU.

09:50:10 >> HOW IS THAT?

I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYBODY CAN'T HEAR ME.

[ LAUGHTER ]

09:50:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN HEAR YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT

IT'S STILL PRETTY LOW.

09:50:21 >> WELL, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO

DO HERE.

09:50:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE CAN HEAR YOU.

GO AHEAD.

09:50:28 >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS JANE STROHMEYER.

I AM A RESIDENT OF TAMPA FOR 51 YEARS.

I'M JUST GOING TO JUST GO OVER A FEW OF THE ITEMS HERE.

WE HAVE THE NOISE SOUND ORDINANCE, THE SOUND.

I AGREE THOSE BIG THUMPING NOISES ARE OBNOXIOUS, AND WHEN I,

BACK IN THE DAY, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE LOUD NOISE LIKE

THAT.

AND I'VE HAD PEOPLE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME AND YOU CAN'T

HEAR THE MUSIC IN YOUR OWN SPACE.




SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, BUILDING ON THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD, I

EXCITED TO SEE THE PRESENTATION.

I FOR THE MOST PART, OF COURSE, BELIEVE THAT BUILDING ON A

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD IS BAD, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE

HURRICANES THAT WE HAVE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, THEY ARE

SAYING THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THE -- AFTER

A HURRICANE WHEN THE WATER RISES.

I SUPPORT THE SIDEWALK INITIATIVE HERE, AND THAT'S A GOOD

THING.

AND NUMBER 6 IS MR. CARLSON'S TAMPA SCORECARD.

I'M EXCITED TO WATCH THAT PRESENTATION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA, BUT LET'S WATCH THIS

PRESENTATION AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THANKS, YOU ALL.

HAVE A GREAT DAY.

09:51:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER.

09:51:53 >>THE CLERK:
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE ACOSTA, IF YOU

CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:52:01 >> GOOD MORNING, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO.

CAN I JUST GET A THUMBS UP THAT YOU CAN HEAR ME?

THANK YOU.

I'M CHRISTINE ACOSTA, WALK BIKE TAMPA FOUNDING MEMBER AND

TAMPA RESIDENT.




I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE REGIONAL COALITION BIKE WALK

TAMPA BAY, WHICH WAS FORMERLY CHAIRED BY OUR VERY OWN MAYOR

JANE CASTOR.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK CODE SUBJECT THAT YOU WILL

HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY.

I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN ONE OF THE MOST WALKABLE

NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY, AND I USE THE WORD "PRIVILEGE"

VERY DELIBERATELY BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT SAFE WALKING

INVESTMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN EQUITABLE IN OUR PAST.

DESPITE LIVING IN THIS NICE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, I STILL

ONLY HAVE TO STEP OUT OF MY HOUSE AND WALK HALF A BLOCK

BEFORE I RUN OUT OF SIDEWALK AND I HAVE TO WALK IN THE

STREET.

LAST YEAR, I HAD SOME FOOT SURGERY, AND MY MODE OF

TRANSPORTATION WAS A KNEE SCOOTER, WHICH I ALSO HAD TO RIDE

IN THE STREET.

IT WAS A VERY GOOD REMINDER TO ME OF WHY I TOOK UP SIDEWALK

ADVOCACY YEARS AGO.

IT WAS BECAUSE I CARED FOR MY FATHER AT THE END OF HIS LIFE

WHEN HE WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR.

THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING A GREAT JOB PURSUING NEW ICONIC

AND WHAT I WOULD CALL WALKING SUPER STRUCTURES LIKE THE WEST

RIVER WALK.

THE VALUE OF THESE FACILITIES IS UNQUESTIONABLE AND HAS BEEN

PROVEN THROUGH THE EXISTING RIVERWALK AND RESULTING ECONOMIC




DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT WE LACK NOW AS A COMMUNITY AND ARE SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT

FOR TODAY IS THE MORE GRANULAR AND INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS

THAT HAPPEN ONE LOT AT A TIME, ONE BLOCK AT A TIME.

LIKE ALL CITIES IN THE AMERICAN SUNBELT, TAMPA HAS BEEN

DESIGNED AROUND CARS AT THE EXPENSE OF SAFETY AND COMFORT

FOR PEOPLE WALKING.

WE SIMPLY CANNOT NOT ASK EVERY POSSIBLE CONTRIBUTOR TO HELP

US WITH THE SOLUTIONS.

EVERY INDIVIDUAL HOME BUILDER AND EVERY LARGE-SCALE

DEVELOPER HAS GOT TO HELP US.

REST ASSURED THEY WILL BE RICHLY REWARDED FOR ANY SMALL

ADDITIONAL COST THEY BEAR BECAUSE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES HAVE

A HIGHER VALUE IN THE MARKETPLACE.

JUST A WORD ON VISION ZERO, THE ORIGINAL VISION ZERO

CONSTRUCT IN EUROPE CALLED FOR SEPARATE AND PROTECTED SPACE

BETWEEN MOVING VEHICLES AND PEOPLE WHENEVER MOTOR VEHICLE

SPEEDS EXCEED 19 MILES AN HOUR OR 30 KILOMETERS.

VISION ZERO WAS DESCRIBED TO ME THIS WAY.

IT IS THE MANAGEMENT OF KINETIC ENERGY.

BECAUSE 90% OF THE TIME, THE HUMAN BODY CAN SUSTAIN THE

FORCE OF A VEHICLE THAT IS TRAVELING AT THAT 19 MILES AN

HOUR.

WHEN YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A HOLE, THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE

TO DO IS STOP DIGGING.




TODAY, WE HOPE YOU CHOOSE TO BOLDLY SHOW THE DESIRE TO STOP

ALLOWING THE SIDEWALK VARIANCES THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

09:55:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT SPEAKER.

09:55:09 >>THE CLERK:
NEXT SPEAKER AND LAST, EMILY.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

09:55:16 >> HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME?

09:55:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, WE CAN.

GO AHEAD.

09:55:19 >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS EMILY HENSDALE.

I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT AND WALK BIKE TAMPA BOARD MEMBER.

I'M SPEAKING TODAY FOR SOME OF TAMPA'S MOST VULNERABLE AND

UNREPRESENTED RESIDENTS, OUR CHILDREN.

EVERY DAY, THOUSANDS OF TAMPA CHILDREN WALK OR BIKE TO

SCHOOL IN THE STREET, DODGING CARS, DASHING THROUGH TRAFFIC.

VERY, VERY FEW CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF TAMPA HAVE THE

OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE SIDEWALK TO GET TO SCHOOL BECAUSE

TAMPA HAS OVER 1,300 MILES OF SIDEWALK GAPS.

THE REFERENCE, TAMPA IS THE 8th MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN THE

COUNTRY FOR PEDESTRIANS.

CAR CRASHES ARE THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN.




WE ARE PLACING OUR CHILDREN IN AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.

LITERALLY PUTTING THEIR LIVES IN DANGER JUST TO GET TO

SCHOOL.

TAMPA CITY COUNCILMEN, PLEASE CHANGE THE CITY OF TAMPA

ORDINANCE GOVERNING NEW SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION, SECTIONS

22-103 AND 22-104 TO HELP BUILD A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY

FOR OUR CHILDREN.

OUR SIDEWALK CODE WAS CREATED WITH THE INTENTION OF

INCREASING OUR SIDEWALK NETWORK THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.

HOWEVER, THE CURRENT CODE INCLUDES SO MANY EXEMPTIONS THAT

MANY MILES OF NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS FEATURE LARGE NEW HOMES,

MULTIPLE NEW CARS, BUT NO NEW SIDEWALKS, EVEN WITHIN A SHORT

DISTANCE OR ACROSS THE STREET FROM SCHOOLS.

THE IN LIEU FUND, DESIGNED TO PROVIDE EXEMPTIONS TO SIDEWALK

INSTALLATION FOR CHALLENGING LOCATIONS, SIMILARLY INCLUDES

SUCH A LIST OF EXEMPTIONS THAT ITS MINIMAL ANNUAL GROWTH

DICTATES OUR CURRENT ABYSMAL RECORD ON NEW SIDEWALK

INSTALLATION.

A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF HOME BUILDERS PAY INTO THE IN LIEU

FUND EACH YEAR.

A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF HOMES ARE BUILT WITHOUT SIDEWALKS

EACH YEAR.

WE NEED TO END THESE EXEMPTIONS.

SCHOOL WALKING ROUTES MUST BE PRIORITIZED.

IN THE CITY OF ORLANDO, SIDEWALKS ARE REQUIRED FOR NEW




CONSTRUCTION, NO EXEMPTIONS WITHIN ONE MILE OF A SCHOOL.

CLEARLY, WE CAN AGREE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AS MUCH AS

ORLANDO DOES.

PLEASE AMEND THE SIDEWALK CODE TO REQUIRE SIDEWALK

INSTALLATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE STATE

DESIGNATED WALKING DISTANCE TO SCHOOL OF TWO MILES.

PLEASE WORK TO DEFEND OUR ROADS' MOST VULNERABLE USERS.

WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DELAY YET ANOTHER GENERATION

WHILE WE BUILD MILES OF NEW HOMES EXEMPTED FROM MILES OF NEW

SIDEWALKS.

THANK YOU.

09:57:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER.

09:57:51 >>THE CLERK:
CHAIR, THAT WOULD CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT

SECTION OF THIS AGENDA.

09:57:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND/OR

CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF.

09:58:11 >>BILL CARLSON:
CAN I PLEASE ASK YOU ALL?

I HAVE DR. MOEZ LIMAYEM FROM USF, AND THE MAYOR CALLED HIM

INTO A PRESS CONFERENCE AT 11.

HE CAN ONLY PRESENT NOW, SO IF YOU ALL WOULD INDULGE ME.

09:58:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANY OBJECTION?

ALL RIGHT.

WHAT WE'LL DO -- DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN STAIRS?




YOU'LL DO IT HERE.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 6, WE'LL TAKE THAT UP

NOW.

IT IS A BRIEF PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE

AGENDA.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

09:58:35 >>BILL CARLSON:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON]

I WAS JUST SAYING THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING ME

TO DO THIS TODAY AND CHANGING THE SCHEDULE.

I HAVE DR. MOEZ LIMAYEM, WHO IS THE DEAN OF THE MUMA COLLEGE

OF BUSINESS AT USF.

HE HELPED SUPERVISE THIS AND HELPED MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS

ARE CORRECT AND PUT TOGETHER THE INTELLECTUAL FRAMEWORK, AND

HE'S ALSO BEEN ADVISING THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIP AND OTHER

GROUPS.

THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE TAMPA BAY PARTNERSHIPS

PRESENTATION BECAUSE THEIRS IS REGIONAL AND THIS ONE IS CITY

ONLY.

TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, IT IS THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY HAS LOOKED AT

CITY ONLY DATA.

REMEMBER, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS.

A YEAR AGO YOU ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT IT THEN AS WELL.

I'VE ALSO GOT ON THE LINE ALEX FRAYA, WHO WAS COUNCIL MEMBER

CITRO'S INTERN A YEAR AGO, AND HE GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED ALEX TO

HELP ME.




ALEX WAS USF ECONOMICS STUDENT AT USF, AND NOW HE'S AT UNC

CHARLOTTE.

SO THANK YOU TO ALEX.

ALEX IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER ALL THE SLIDES AND

THE DATA, SO IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE CAN DO

THAT.

AS WE SAID BEFORE, WHAT GETS MEASURED GETS DONE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAPITAL MARKETS WITH COMPANIES, BECAUSE

CAPITAL -- BECAUSE COMPANIES HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN SEC

GUIDELINES ON DATA, THERE IS A FREE FLOW OF INFORMATION, FOR

THE MOST PART, AND COMPANIES KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND HOW

TO MEASURE IT.

WITH CITIES, IT'S NOT AS CLEAR.

AND CITIES OFTEN MEASURE THEIR INTERNAL RESULTS, LIKE WHAT

IS THE SPEED OF THE FIRE TRUCKS AND RESPONSE?

WHAT IS THE SPEED OF THE POLICE CARS?

WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TIME ON GARBAGE COLLECTION?

ALL THOSE INTERNAL METRICS ARE IMPORTANT.

THOSE ARE OUTPUTS.

THIS IS OUTCOME.

WHAT ARE THE BIG SUCCESS STORIES OF CITIES?

SO WE LOOKED AT -- PART OF OUR PROCESS WAS THAT WE LOOKED AT

THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD, AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT HOW ARE

THEY MEASURED?

I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.




BUT THE FIRST THING IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT NUMBERS THAT

TAMPA HAS USED BEFORE, THERE ARE A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL

VANITY RANKINGS.

AND THESE ARE RANKINGS BY MAGAZINES NATIONALLY THAT WILL

RANK SOMETHING, AND THEY DO IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING

PUBLICITY.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA UNDERLYING THEM -- AND MY

LEGISLATIVE AIDES HAVE CULLED THEM -- ALL THE DATA IS

REGIONAL, NONE LOCAL.

IF IT SAYS TAMPA IS NUMBER ONE AMONG THE MILLENNIALS, IT'S

TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL DATA, NOT JUST TAMPA.

WE RESEARCHED HOW THE BEST CITIES IN THE WORLD MEASURE

THEMSELVES AND LOOKED AT THE DATASETS OF THE BEST ECONOMISTS

IN THE WORLD USED TO MEASURE CITIES, AND WE CREATED A SHORT

LIST.

CHIEF BENNETT SAYS FOR MEASUREMENT OF THE CITY HAS HUNDREDS

OF DATA POINTS THAT HE'S MEASURING.

BUT JUST FOR THIS, WE NEED TO CREATE A SIMPLE SCORECARD SO

WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE KEY MEASURES THAT PEOPLE USE.

WE CONSULTED NOT ONLY USF, BUT ALSO UF AND ECONOMISTS FROM

THE FLORIDA CHAMBER FOUNDATION AND ALSO FLORIDA TAX WATCH.

THESE ARE THE SIMPLE CRITERIA WE CAME UP WITH THAT ARE THE

MAIN CRITERIA OTHER CITIES USE TO MEASURE THEIR ECONOMIC

PERFORMANCE.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT LOOKING AT THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF THE




CITY.

IT'S JUST LOOKING AT ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE.

YOU ALL KNOW THAT EACH OF US HAS OUR OWN INTEREST AND

EXPERTISE.

MY INTEREST IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT

DATA.

SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE DATA.

PER CAPITA INCOME, WHICH IS THE MAIN ECONOMIC MEASURE THAT

CITIES AND COUNTRIES USE.

HERE IS THE TRACK.

YOU SAW THIS A YEAR AGO.

THE NEW DATA IS 2019.

THAT'S THE LATEST DATA.

THIS DATA COMES FROM THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU.

IT'S NOT MADE UP FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE.

IT'S EASILY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE CENSUS.

WHAT WE DID, AGAIN, IS WE LOOKED AT THE CITY -- THE CITY

LIMITS OF TAMPA ONLY, NOT THE REGION.

AND WHAT IT SHOWS IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

NUMBER ONE IS PER CAPITA INCOME.

TAMPA WAS TRACKING PRETTY HIGH FOR MOST OF THE LAST DECADE,

AND WE GO BACK TO A DECADE BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW

ECONOMISTS MEASURE.

BUT ALSO THE GREAT RECESSION ENDED IN 2009.




SO IT LOOKS AT THE PICTURE AFTER THAT.

BUT THE KIND OF SHOCKING THING, THE DIFFERENT THING THAT

HAPPENED IS TAMPA'S TRAJECTORY IS KIND OF FLAT AS COMPARED

TO THE OTHER CITIES, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS IF YOU LOOK IN

THE LAST TWO, THREE YEARS BEFORE THIS, ST. PETERSBURG'S

TRAJECTORY WAS REALLY HIGH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TAMPA THINK THAT ST. PETERSBURG'S ECONOMY

MUST BE SECONDARY TO TAMPA.

WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT ST. PETERSBURG'S PER CAPITA INCOME

SURPASSED TAMPA'S FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT ANYBODY REMEMBERS.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TAMPA'S NUMBER IS HIGH AND

ARTIFICIALLY HIGH IS THAT WE HAVE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF

PEOPLE EARNING MORE THAN $200,000 A YEAR.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS NUMBER, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER AMONG

OUR PEER SETS.

WE LOOKED AT JACKSONVILLE, MIAMI, ORLANDO, ST. PETERSBURG,

FT. LAUDERDALE, AS SOME OF THE LARGEST CITIES IN FLORIDA,

AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THEM, ALL THE CITIES IN THE

COUNTRY, IF YOU WANT.

THERE ARE SOME SMALLER CITIES THAT HAVE BIGGER OR SMALLER

NUMBERS, BUT WE JUST LOOKED AT KIND OF OUR PEER SET.

SINCE WE HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF HIGH EARNERS IT CHANGES OUR

NUMBERS. IF WE TOOK THOSE OUT AND OUR PER CAPITA INCOME

WILL BE MUCH MORE.

HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS WHERE YOU PICK THE NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE,




AND LOOKING AT THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD, NOT JUST INDIVIDUALS,

BUT WHAT THIS SHOWS IS THAT AMONG THE PEER SET IN FLORIDA,

WE ARE FOURTH.

SO WE ARE NOT DOWN WHERE MIAMI IS BUT WE ARE ALSO NOT THE

STAR EITHER.

LOOK AT PER CAPITA INCOME COMPARED TO BENCHMARK CITIES.

THEY KIND OF TALK ABOUT CHARLOTTE AND ATLANTA.

WE LOOKED AT OTHER KIND OF BENCHMARK CITIES THAT PEOPLE

OFTEN COMPARED TAMPA TO.

WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS ON PER CAPITA INCOME THE MAIN MEASURE

OF ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE, AND TAMPA IS NOT ONLY THE DISTANT

FOURTH, WE DIDN'T CATCH UP WITH THEM, BUT OUR TRAJECTORY IS

NOT THE SAME.

OUR TRAJECTORY IS KIND OF THE SAME AS CHARLOTTE, BUT YOU SEE

ATLANTA, AND AUSTIN, THEIR TRAJECTORY IS MUCH, MUCH HIGHER.

SO THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRAJECTORY IS

HIGHER BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL WE ARE NEVER GOING TO CATCH UP

WITH OUR BENCHMARK CITIES AND WE MAY NEVER CATCH UP WITH OUR

PEER CITIES.

MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME COMPARED TO BENCHMARK CITIES NOT

SURPRISINGLY FROM THE LAST GRAPH, WE COME IN FOURTH.

INCOME DISPARITY, WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT

PEOPLE ASKED ABOUT LAST TIME, IF YOU LOOK, FOR EXAMPLE,

ST. PETERSBURG, BETWEEN MALE AND FEMALE, IN ST. PETERSBURG

AT 5,000.




WHEN I MENTION THAT, THE GAP, BUT TAMPA IS 9,000.

WE ARE MUCH, MUCH WORSE.

AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT SOLUTIONS TO CHANGE THAT GAP.

ANOTHER THING FROM LAST TIME WAS AFRICAN AMERICAN VERSUS

CAUCASIAN.

IN ST. PETERSBURG THE DIFFERENCE IN PAY IS $17,000 A YEAR

BUT IN TAMPA IT'S 21.

AND IT SHOWS THAT EVEN IN OUR OTHER PEER CITIES, THAT THE

DISPARITY FOR THE MOST PART IS NOT AS GREAT AS IT IS IN

TAMPA.

AND WE FEEL THAT AND HEAR IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT

LOOKING AT THIS DATA IT SHOWS THERE.

THEN YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE CLASS AND FOR MOST, REMEMBER THE

GREAT RECESSION ENDED IN 2009, FOR MOST OF THE LAST DECADE

THE MIDDLE CLASS OF TAMPA SHRANK.

AND THEN IT COST US IN 2018-2019, BUT STILL THE MIDDLE CLASS

IS NOT HIGH COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES SO WE KNOW ECONOMICALLY

THAT IF WE WANT TO IMPROVE OUR NUMBERS WE HAVE TO INCREASE

THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WE HAVE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE MIDDLE

CLASS.

ALSO, SADLY, WE WANTS TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS GRAPH.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE THE SECOND HIGHEST POVERTY RATE AMONG

OUR PEER CITIES IN FLORIDA. LUCKY FOR US MIAMI, BUT

COMPARED TO OUR PEER CITIES, ST. PETERSBURG, AGAIN IS ABOUT




15% AND WE ARE ALMOST 19.

PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION, BENCHMARK CITIES, AND IT SHOWS

ATLANTA IS WORSE THAN WE ARE, COMPARED TO AUSTIN, CHARLOTTE,

WHICH ARE CITIES WE ASPIRE TO BE VERY OFTEN, OURS IS MUCH

WORSE.

FLORIDA UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, AND AGAIN THIS IS 2019 DATA, THE

SECOND WORST.

THINK ABOUT WE TOOK OFFICE IN MAY 2019, SO IT WAS ALREADY IN

THEIR TRAJECTORY.

2020 IS GOING TO BE A HORRIBLE YEAR US WHAT OF R BECAUSE OF

COVID SO THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE OFF.

THE REASON WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS IS BECAUSE 2021

AND 2022 ARE ON US.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY NUMBERS.

HOME OWNERSHIP RATE, WHICH IS THE SIGN OF A LOT OF THINGS IN

THE HEALTH OF A COMMUNITY, LOOK AT STATE AVERAGE ABOUT 65%,

I THINK.

SING A POOR, I USED TO LIVE IN SINGAPORE, THEY ARE 92%.

OURS IS TRACKING TOWARD THE BOTTOM IN HOME OWNERSHIP RATE

AND WE KNOW WE CAN INCREASE THAT.

AS AN EXAMPLE, ST. PETERSBURG IS ABOUT 58% AND OURS IS 48.

AFRICAN AMERICAN HOME OWNERSHIP RATE IS EVEN LOWER.

THAT WAS A QUESTION POSED LAST YEAR.

VIOLENT CRIME RATE, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST CRIME RATES IN




THE STATE.

AND WHAT I SAY IS THAT THE SAME POLICY, PEOPLE THAT LED

MAKING OUR CRIME RATE LOW, THAT'S MAYOR CASTOR AND JOHN

BENNETT, THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE LOOKING TO HELP US SOLVE

THE OTHER ISSUES.

THE GOOD NEWS FOR EVERYBODY WATCHING IS THAT WE HAVE A TEAM

OF POLICY PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES.

TAMPA DOES VERY WELL IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE WITH A

BACHELOR'S DEGREE AMONG OUR PEER CITIES.

WE DON'T DO QUITE AS WELL COMPARED TO OUR BENCHMARK CITIES.

SOMETHING, AGAIN, WE CAN WORK ON PARTNERING WITH USF AND

OTHERS.

DR. LIMAYEM LETS ME USE THIS QUOTE OF HIM:

THE COMPANIES AND PEOPLE WE WANT TO ATTRACT GO BEYOND THE

RANKINGS AND THE RHETORIC.

THEY LOOK AT THE FACTS AND THEY KNOW THE FACTS BETTER THAN

WE DO.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE POVERTY ISSUES AND THESE OTHER

ISSUES ARE NOT JUST A SOCIAL ISSUE, THEY ARE AN ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT ISSUE.

BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT SYKES ENTERPRISES, FOR EXAMPLE.

JOHN SYKES DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE REGULAR ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT CHANNELS.

HE CAME TO TAMPA, WALKED AROUND AND DECIDED HE LIKED THE

CITY AND MOVED WHAT'S NOW A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY




HERE.

AND THERE ARE MANY COMPANIES LIKE THAT.

BUT NO MATTER HOW MUCH MARKETING WE DO ABOUT THE VANITY

RANKINGS AND THE POSITIVE RANKINGS, WE HAVE TO FACE THE

NUMBERS AND ADDRESS THEM, BECAUSE IF NOT, THESE NUMBERS ARE

EASILY GOOGLED.

THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE OR THE KIDS WHO WANT TO

TRY TO STAY HERE, THEY ARE GOING TO GOOGLE THE NUMBERS AND

SEE THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IF THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN, IF ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT DID NOT WORK IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, IF THESE

POLICIES DID NOT WORK, ALMOST ALL OF OUR NUMBERS IN THE

WRONG TRAJECTORY THAT MEANS WE NEED TO REFOCUS THEM,

REINVENT THEM.

WE NEED TO BREAK THE OLD PROCESSES AND CREATE NEW ONES, AND

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON REDUCING POVERTY AND INCREASING THE

MIDDLE CLASS.

WE NEED TO USE AN HONEST SCORECARD.

WHEN I WENT WITH THE TAMPA CHAMBER TO CHARLOTTE A COUPLE OF

YEARS AGO, SOMEBODY ASKED THE CHARLOTTE FOUNDATION, WHY DID

YOU ALL SUCCEED?

THE GUY SAID ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS AGO WE LOOKED AT OUR REAL

DATA, NOT THE DATA WE WANTED AND WE ADDRESSED THAT.

LAST SLIDE, WE NEED TO USE SOMETHING LIKE THE SCORECARD.

WE NEED TO DEFINE OUR GOALS.




WE NEED TO GET COMMUNITY INPUT.

WE NEED TO DO PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS WITH USF, AND THEN WE

NEED A PLAN.

WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THIS, LAST YEAR, CITY COUNCIL

RECOMMENDED AN ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

THE MAYOR DECIDED TO LEAD THAT HERSELF.

WE SET UP THE PROCESSES.

USF, MOEZ, AND HIS COLLEAGUES FACILITATED.

THEY PRESENTED THE NUMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY HAS 25 FOLKS ON THE COMMITTEE, SOME OF WHOM WE

APPOINTED, HAVE GIVEN FEEDBACK TO THE MAYOR.

THE MAYOR IS ACTUALLY PRESENTING AT 11:00 THIS MORNING.

THAT'S WHY DR. LIMAYEM HAS TO JUMP.

BUT THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE AT STEP NUMBER 2.

THE COMMITTEE HAS NOW GIVEN FEEDBACK ON THE TYPES OF

MEASURES WE SHOULD USE AND THE COMMITTEE HAS GIVEN INPUT TO

WHAT KIND OF SOLUTIONS WE NEED TO HAVE.

BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND REALLY LOOK AT

THIS FROM A POLICY POINT OF VIEW.

I'LL SHUT UP AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU.

10:10:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ARE THE OTHER SPEAKERS ON THE LINE GOING

TO SPEAK OR ARE THEY STANDING BY?

10:11:02 >> THEY ARE STANDING BY IN CASE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

10:11:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?




10:11:07 >>LUIS VIERA:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOR PUTTING

THIS TOGETHER AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP, INCLUDING DR. MOEZ,

WHO IS A WONDERFUL CONSTITUENT AND FINE GENTLEMAN.

A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ADD ON, IF I MAY, TAKE A LOOK AT OUR

MASS TRANSIT SITUATION.

ONE OF THE GREATEST BARRIERS TO BREAKING POVERTY AND HAVING

UPWARD MOBILITY IS HAVING A ROBUST MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM.

WE MISSED THE BOAT ON THAT APPARENTLY IN 2018.

GOD WILLING WE CAN DO IT AGAIN IN 2022.

ANOTHER BIG THING IS OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM WHICH RIGHT

NOW THERE'S A LOT IN THE NEWS ABOUT IT AND HAVING A PUBLIC

SCHOOL SYSTEM NOT ONLY WELL FUNDED BUT HAS A LEVEL OF

CONFIDENCE AND STABILITY I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT FOR A

COMMUNITY.

AND THINGS THAT COUNCIL CAN DO.

I WANT TO POINT US TO INITIATIVES LIKE THE APPRENTICESHIP

INITIATIVE WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT THAT

CREATES AN UPWARD MOBILITY FOR FOLKS TO GO TO THAT SOLID

MIDDLE CLASS, FOR FOLKS HISTORICALLY HAVE COME FROM

VULNERABLE POPULATIONS AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HELP

PEOPLE OUT.

BUT JUST THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOR THIS, AND WE

APPRECIATE IT.

10:12:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR

WORK.




THANK YOU TO THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT HELPED MASTERMIND SOME

OF THE PLAN TO GIVE TO THE ADMINISTRATION.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN, I LOOK AT WHAT IS STILL THE

SOLUTION.

WE TALK AND TALK AND TALK, BUT WHAT IS THE REAL SOLUTION?

HOW DO WE GET OUR FOOT ON THE GAS TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL?

FOR ME, MY GOOD COLLEAGUE, MR. VIERA TALKED ABOUT SCHOOLS.

WHEN I HAVE LOW-THRIVING SCHOOLS IN MY COMMUNITY, HOW DO

THEY GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL?

WE TUCK AWAY A LOT OF TECHNICAL PROGRAMS, A LOT OF

CONSTRUCTION PROGRAMS, DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND COMMUNITIES,

JOBS THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT NEED PEOPLE IN THE WORKFORCE.

I ALWAYS SAID WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, EVERY JOB THAT THE

CITY OF TAMPA HAS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SHOULD KNOW ABOUT

BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE

TRYING TO GET INTO THE WORKFORCE.

WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TRAIN MOVING, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE.

I'LL WAIT BACK AND SEE WHAT THE MAYOR COMES UP WITH AT 11:00

AND HOW WE CAN MOVE THE TRAIN TO GET THE FOLKS AT THE

BOTTOM, START INCHING THEM UP INTO THAT MIDDLE SECTION.

I THINK, AGAIN, SOLUTIONARY.

I'M JUST WAITING TO HEAR WHAT THE REAL SOLUTIONS ARE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

10:13:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO.

10:13:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
BILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS.




YOU HAVE SAID, AND I BELIEVE IF I MAY PARAPHRASE, THAT WE

ARE ON A THREE-LEGGED STOOL, REAL ESTATE, CONSTRUCTION, AND

TOURISM.

AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE MINDSET.

FOR MORE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BETTER CAREERS --

CAREERS.

NO OFFENSE TO MY FRIENDS AT PORT TAMPA BAY, BUT I THINK IT'S

BEING UNDER USED.

WE NEED MORE MANUFACTURING HERE SO WE CAN PUT PEOPLE TO

WORK.

AND JOBS THAT DON'T JUST LAST A YEAR OR TWO AS IN

CONSTRUCTION.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE CONSTRUCTION STOP.

WE'RE ON A GOOD ROAD, BUT CONSTRUCTION COMES IN, LASTS

THREE, FOUR YEARS AND THEN MOVES SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE NEED SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN HAVE A CAREER,

OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AT A PLACE FOR 10, 15, 20 YEARS IF THEY

SO WISH.

I KNOW THE TREND IS NOT THAT WAY.

PEOPLE STAY AT PLACES TWO, THREE YEARS.

BUT WE HAVE TO GET OFF THE MENTALITY OF REAL ESTATE

CONSTRUCTION TOURISM.

WE HAVE A DEEP WATER PORT THAT NEEDS TO BE USED.

BILL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFORMATION HERE, AND WE

JUST NEED TO CHANGE OUR LOGIC.




AS LUIS VIERA SAID, COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID, WE NEED BETTER

TRANSPORTATION.

THAT'S ONE MAJOR THING THAT ALL THESE CORPORATIONS LOOK AT

WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING TO MOVE THEIR HEADQUARTERS.

SO, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:15:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

I THINK OUR BIGGEST SUCCESS IN THE LAST DECADE OR A LITTLE

BIT MORE IS WHEN I GRADUATED USF IN 2007, ALL MY FRIENDS

LEFT THAT HAD COME DOWN HERE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY

SAID THE SAME THING.

TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE WHAT I NEED.

FLIP THAT TO 2021 AND EVEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE ARE A

VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME TO TAMPA.

NOT EVERYBODY BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO TAMPA.

THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S REALLY NOT AFFORDABLE.

WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG MIDDLE CLASS.

WE DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE SEE REAL ESTATE PRICES.

HOME OWNERSHIP IS SOMETIMES UNATTAINABLE.

RENTS HAVE GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY.

I'VE SEEN RENTS DOUBLE SINCE 2010 TO NOW, BUT I DON'T SEE

SALARIES INCREASING.

I DON'T SEE PEOPLE MAKING MORE MONEY.




THE COST OF LIVING CLIMBS, BUT EARNINGS AREN'T CLIMBING TO

MATCH THOSE.

WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS.

THE REDUCTION IN VIOLENT CRIMES, AND I THINK MAYOR CASTOR,

YOU MENTIONED CHIEF BENNETT AND EVERYBODY THAT MAKES THAT

HAPPEN AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO COST OF LIVING, TRANSPORTATION,

THE LACK THEREOF, WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND.

I THINK EVERYBODY WHO WORKED ON THIS TO PUT THIS TOGETHER,

THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE ON THE SCREEN, YOU, YOURSELF, JASON

MARLOW WHO WORKED IN YOUR OFFICE BEFORE, ALL HIS WORK, THEY

ALL DESERVE CREDIT.

NEVER HAD WHAT -- THE TAMPA SCORECARD.

NEVER HAD THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS.

I'M GLAD YOU PUT THE REAL RAW DATA OUT THERE SO WE CAN FIND

REAL SOLUTIONS.

IT'S NOT ALL ROSE COLORED GLASSES.

HEY WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON DOWNTOWN.

RIVERWALK IS DOING GREAT AND ARMATURE AND THESE THINGS,

PARTS OF THE CITY IS STRUGGLING.

EAST TAMPA IS WHAT I CALL THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT.

I SAY IT OVER AND OVER.

IT'S FROZEN IN TIME.

WHERE IS THE MIDDLE CLASS THERE?




WHERE IS THE HAND UP NOT THE HAND OUT?

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF VALID POINTS AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT

THIS UP BECAUSE THIS WILL BE THE CATALYST TO INSPIRE AND

MOVE FORWARD WITH REAL GOALS.

I GIVE YOU A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THIS.

I THINK THIS IS VERY NECESSARY AND VERY IMPORTANT THING THAT

YOU PUT FORWARD.

ANYBODY ELSE?

DINGFELDER.

10:17:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MR. CARLSON, GREAT JOB PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE BENCHMARK.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE STATISTICS TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE

BEFORE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO.

I AM CURIOUS OF THE TWO GENTLEMEN YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN.

I GUESS THEY HELPED YOU PUT THESE TOGETHER.

IF THEY ARE WILLING, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THEIR TAKEAWAY IS

FROM THIS AND ANY THOUGHTS OR SUGGESTIONS THAT EITHER OF YOU

HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CALL ON THEM, I'D LOVE

TO HEAR FROM THEM.

10:18:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SURE.

IF EITHER OF THE TWO GENTLEMEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.




10:18:17 >> SURE.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:18:20 >> YES.

10:18:21 >> YES.

THANK YOU.

AGAIN, MOEZ LIMAYEM.

I AM THE DEAN OF THE USF MUMA COLLEGE OF BUSINESS.

REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THIS MORNING.

FIRST OF ALL, LET ME REALLY COMPLIMENT COUNCILMAN CARLSON

FOR THIS WORK.

I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS WORK IS IN FIRST

UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE, BUT ALSO PLANNING FOR THE

FUTURE.

WHEN COMPANIES LIKE AMAZON AND OTHERS LOOK FOR PLACES,

EITHER TO RELOCATE OR TO EXPAND, THEY DO NOT LOOK FOR THE

VANITY RANKING.

THEY LOOK FOR THIS DATA.

AND THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

SO IT IS UP TO US TO ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND THE DATA, BUT

THIS IS A GREAT FIRST STEP.

I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AND SAID

WE NEED TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THESE

INDICATORS.




SO WE DO NOT COME BACK NEXT YEAR AND SAY, THANKS GOD FOR

MIAMI AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S A CITY WHERE WE'RE SLIGHTLY

DOING BETTER.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE WAY OF REDUCING POVERTY IS TRANSPORTATION.

PEOPLE IN TAMPA, THEY CANNOT AFFORD A CAR TO GO TO WORK, AND

THAT IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

REDUCING THAT GAP BETWEEN MINORITY, AFRICAN AMERICAN AND

WHITE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

IT MAKES PERFECT, NOT JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT IT

MAKES PERFECT ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS SENSE.

WHEN WE REDUCE THE GAP.

WHEN WE HAVE A CITY WHERE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND, MINORITY,

AFRICAN AMERICAN, AND OTHERS WILL BUY HOUSES.

WILL GO TO GROCERY STORES, DEPARTMENT STORE, AND THEY WILL

CONSUME, AND THAT IS REALLY GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY IN OUR

CITY.

I AM VERY DEEPLY CONCERNED TO SEE THE SHRINKING OF OUR

MIDDLE CLASS.

LET ME TELL YOU, A HEALTHY MIDDLE CLASS IS THE FOUNDATION OF

A CITY THAT IS HEALTHY ECONOMICALLY SPEAKING.

WE NEED TO WORK AND UNDERSTAND.

AND THIS, AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID IS SO NICE, WE NEED TO

RETHINK OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE JOBS THAT WE ARE ATTRACTING TO OUR CITY ARE LOW-PAYING

JOBS.




WE NEED TO LOOK TO ATTRACT COMPANIES WHO CAN ACTUALLY EMPLOY

PEOPLE WITH HIGHER WAGES SO THAT WE REDUCE THAT MIDDLE

CLASS.

BUT THIS I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW HAPPY, EXCITED TO SEE THE

AZING WORK OF COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

THIS IS THE FOUNDATION, BUT IT WILL BE A BIG MISTAKE TO STOP

HERE.

NOW WE HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THESE

INDICATORS.

THANK YOU.

10:21:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

10:21:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED BY THE REPORT.

THANKS TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THE DEAN OF SOUTH FLORIDA

SCHOOL AND OTHER PARTICIPATING, ALEXANDER PHILLIPS, SO FORTH

AND SO ON.

I LIKE TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX LIKE MOST OF US DO, AND IF WE

THINK WE HAVE IT BAD NOW IN TRANSPORTATION, LET ME JUST

THROW A LITTLE MONKEY WRENCH IN IT TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN FIVE YEARS OR TEN YEARS WHEN 30 OR

40 PERCENT OF THE AUTOMOBILES ARE ELECTRIC?

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE TAX MONEY FOR GASOLINE TAX

MONEY.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY GASOLINE.




THEY ARE BUY BE ELECTRIC POWER.

I LIKE TO THINK OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN

TRANSPORTATION WHICH IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.

IF I'M RIGHT ON THE ESTIMATION OF AUTOMOBILES BEING BUILT

AND THE ELECTRIC FACTOR.

IN FACT, MAYBE LATER ON HYDROGEN.

HOW DO YOU SUPPLY THE INCOME NEEDED NOT ONLY FOR THIS CITY

BUT FOR THIS COUNTRY AND GASOLINE POWERED ENGINES WHEN

PAYING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TAX, EVERY TIME YOU BUY A GALLON

OF GAS, HOW WILL YOU SOLVE THAT PROBLEM?

I LIKE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE FUTURE.

I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.

LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

THE VIOLENT CRIME PER HUNDRED THOUSAND IN 2019, IT WASN'T

JUST YOU 2019, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF MANY, MANY MAYORS,

STARTING BACK TO BILL POE IN THE '70s.

PRESENT MAYOR NOW -- MANY, MANY POLICE CHIEFS AND MANY, MANY

MAYORS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE POPULATION THAT HELPED

SUSTAIN THE CRIME RATE TO GO DOWN.

CERTAINLY, I LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY AND ASK LATER ON, POSSIBLY

ASK THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHAT BUSINESSES HAD RELOCATED HERE

TO TAMPA IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE FACTS AND NUMBERS.

I'M NOT CHALLENGING YOUR NUMBERS.

I AGREE WITH YOUR NUMBERS.




WHO MOVED INTO TAMPA AND WHY.

THERE ARE A THOUSAND A PEOPLE A DAY OR SO MOVING THROUGH THE

STATE OF FLORIDA.

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE PREPONDERANCE COME FROM NEW YORK

AND NEW ENGLAND STATES.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COLD WEATHER AND HIGH

TAX.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS, A LOT MORE COMPLEX THAN HAS BEEN STATED.

LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY, WHERE WE ARE

YESTERDAY AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE

FUTURE.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TAXATION IS ONE THING.

HOW DO YOU GET THE MONEY -- AND THE ENVIRONMENT TO PRODUCE

AND HELP SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE HAVE IN SOLAR THAT

PRODUCES ELECTRICITY.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE LESS ELECTRIC POWER AND LESS MONEY

COMING INTO THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE MUCH

MORE SOLAR THAN IT IS NOW.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THOSE

FACTORING IN TO DO THAT FOR US, HELP US.

THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I POSE.

I NEED A REPORT FOR THE FUTURE.

WHAT'S HAPPENING TOMORROW AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ATTAIN

THIS.




I NEED A ROAD WORK AND A MAP TO GET THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:24:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE?

10:24:52 >> IF I COULD ALSO TALK A LITTLE.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?

10:24:57 >> YES, WE CAN.

GO AHEAD.

10:24:58 >> I'M ALEX.

I USED TO BE -- FOR JOSEPH CITRO.

I HELPED CREATE THIS PRESENTATION, ALSO UPDATE THE NUMBERS,

MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BETTER.

ALSO, ECONOMIC GRADUATE STUDENT.

THIS IS TOTALLY UP MY ALLEY.

THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST THE BEGINNING BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST

AVERAGES.

THEY ARE BASICALLY THE RAW DATA.

IF YOU KNOW ANY ECONOMIC PAPERS, USUALLY THEY ARE THE FIRST

THING AND THEN YOU DO STATISTICS, ALL THIS ANALYSIS.

IF YOU CAN HEAR YOU CAN LIE WITH STATISTICS, THAT'S USUALLY

WHEN YOU FLIPPED SOME THINGS, BUT THOSE ARE THE RAW NUMBERS

SO THEY BASICALLY TELL A STORY BUT THEY DON'T TELL YOU THE

COST.

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE LIKE THE FIRST STEP.

BUT IT'S STILL GOOD TO SEE THEM BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID,




THERE'S NO SUBJECTIVITY IN THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S THE

CENSUS DATA.

WE USED THE FIVE-YEAR ESTIMATES, THE ONES THAT COME OUT THE

LATEST TO REALLY GET THE BEST ACTUAL RESULTS OF WHAT'S GOING

ON.

10:26:07 >>BILL CARLSON:
MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD THANK DR. LIMAYEM AND

HIS COLLEAGUES.

THANK YOU, ALEX.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CITRO FOR ALLOWING ME TO USE ALEX

LAST YEAR.

10:26:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

10:26:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
THE MAYOR WILL BE MAKING HER ANNOUNCEMENT IN

ABOUT AN HOUR OR HALF HOUR, AND DR. LIMAYEM WILL BE THERE.

THIS IS JUST ONE STEP IN A LONG PROCESS.

THE NEXT THING, AS YOU SAID, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH USF

AND REALLY DEVELOP THE PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS AND DEVELOP THE

PLAN THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA ASKED FOR.

THE MAYOR OR CAROLE POST AND HER STAFF WILL BE COMING BACK

BEFORE US TO PRESENT THE RESULTS OF THE ECONOMIC ADVISORY

COMMITTEE.

AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK WE CAN ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

THAT'S JUST THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ON THE NUMBERS AND WHAT

WE SHOULD DO AND THEN WE NEED TO GET THE EXPERT'S ADVICE ON

WHAT THE PLAN SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD.




THE LAST THING I'LL SAY, YOU ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT A YEAR

AGO, ALLOWED ME TO PRESENT TODAY.

YOU ENABLED THE ECONOMIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

THIS IS NOT MY WORK.

THIS IS THE WORK OF CITY COUNCIL.

CITY COUNCIL DOES SO MANY THINGS IN SO MANY WAYS.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES FOR ALLOWING THIS TO

HAPPEN.

THANKS, AV, FOR SETTING THIS UP TODAY.

10:27:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SINCE ALEX WAS PREVIOUSLY ONE OF OURS, I

HAVE TO TEASE HIM AND TELL HIM HE NEEDS TO MAKE HIS BED

BEFORE HE JOINS US NEXT TIME.

[ LAUGHTER ]

10:27:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ENJOY YOUR DAY.

ITEM NUMBER 2.

IT WILL BE TPD OR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 WITH A

REPORT.

THERE WE ARE.

10:27:54 >> GOOD MORNING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:27:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, WE CAN.

GO AHEAD.

10:27:59 >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND CITY COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS SIMONE SAVINO ON BEHALF OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.




I'M HERE THIS MORNING WITH YOU TO DISCUSS A REPORT ON NOISE

CITATIONS ISSUED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS ALONGSIDE CAPTAIN

BRETT OWENS OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THIS MOTION ORIGINATED ON OCTOBER 22nd BY COUNCILMAN

DINGFELDER, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE IT UP ON

THE SCREEN.

10:28:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

WE CAN SEE IT.

GO AHEAD.

10:28:34 >> OKAY.

WONDERFUL.

THE FIRST -- THIS SLIDE AS WELL AS THE NEXT TWO SLIDES GO

THROUGH THE MOTIONS OF HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.

IF YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD TO SLIDE FOUR.

BEFORE I ADDRESS SLIDE FOUR, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BRIEF

MOMENT TO DISCUSS THE PAST CHANGES WITH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE

FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

THE NOISE ORDINANCE WAS SUBSTANTIALLY AMENDED IN AUGUST OF

2016.

AT THAT TIME, IT WAS AMENDED TO ADDRESS THE FAIR EVALUATION

AND STUDY OF DECIBEL LEVELS.

WE PROVIDED A DEFINITION FOR UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS

SOUND, AND WE ALLOWED FOR PROPERTY OWNERS WITH TWO OR MORE

VIOLATIONS WITHIN A SIX-MONTH PERIOD TO BE REFERRED TO THE

PUBLIC NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD, WHICH HAS THE AUTHORITY TO




IMPOSE ADDITIONAL SANCTIONS.

WE ALSO REDUCED EXEMPTIONS IN THE ORDINANCE FROM 18 TO 10 AT

THAT TIME.

THE ORDINANCE WAS LESS SUBSTANTIALLY AMENDED AGAIN IN AUGUST

OF 2018 IN WHICH WE REMOVED THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT

FROM SECTION 14-153, AND WE ADDED THE ARENA DISTRICT TO

SECTION 14-153.

SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF WHERE WE

LAST AMENDED OUR CHAPTER 14 ARTICLE III NOISE.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, CHAPTER 14, ARTICLE III IS THE CITY OF

TAMPA'S NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH ADDRESSES UNREASONABLY

EXCESSIVE NOISE.

THE LOCATION OF THE NOISE VIOLATION AIDS IN THE

DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER IT IS CONSIDERED UNREASONABLY

EXCESSIVE.

SECTION 14-153 PROHIBITS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A

PROPERTY IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, CHANNEL

DISTRICT, AND ARENA DISTRICT.

THESE AREAS WERE ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND

MEANT TO INCLUDE BARS AND MUSIC VENUES.

WHILE THESE AREAS DO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE

ZONING WAS ALLOWED A HIGHER LEVEL OF NOISE TO BE CONSIDERED

REASONABLE.

ENFORCEMENT IS CURRENTLY DONE VIA NOISE METER, WHICH

MEASURES DECIBEL LEVELS.




THE DECIBEL LEVELS ARE SET AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE NOISE

CONSULTANT AND THEY ARE MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

CURRENTLY, THE HIGHEST DECIBEL ALLOWED IN THIS AREA IS 85,

BETWEEN 85 DECIBELS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M.,

AND ALSO THE MINIMUM IS 65 DECIBELS BETWEEN THE HOURS OF

3 A.M. AND 6 P.M.

SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DECIBELS THAT WE ENFORCE

IN SECTION 14-153.

SECTION 14-154 PROHIBITS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A

PROPERTY AND ALL OTHER AREAS OF TAMPA.

NOISE THROUGHOUT THE REST OF TAMPA, WHETHER THE PROPERTY IS

ZONED RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE WITH COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IS

ENFORCED BY SECTION 14-154.

SO WHILE THESE AREAS HAVE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY WERE NOT

INTENDED TO HAVE OUTDOOR CONCERTS, AND YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE

HOUSING SITS ALONGSIDE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN MOST OF THESE

AREAS.

BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 P.M. AND 7 A.M., IT'S PRIMA FACIE

EVIDENCE IF THE SOUND IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE A MINIMUM OF 100

FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SOURCE OF THE SOUND AT OR

WITHIN THE RECEIVING PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT TPD USES TO ENFORCE SECTION 14-154.

SECTION 14-155 PROHIBITS UNREASONABLY EXCESSIVE NOISE FROM A

VEHICLE.

SO THIS INCLUDES SOUND FROM ANY VEHICLE WHICH IS PLAINLY




AUDIBLE AT A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET OR MORE FROM THE VEHICLE AT

THE TIME THAT IT'S HEARD.

AND THEN SECTION 14-156 REGULATES THE PLACEMENT OF LOUD

SPEAKERS ON OR ABOVE THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SECTION 14-159 REGULATES THE ENFORCEMENT OF OUR NOISE

ORDINANCE.

A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED TO ALL PERSONS

RESPONSIBLE FOR A VIOLATION BEFORE ISSUING A CIVIL CITATION

UNDER SECTIONS 14-153 OR SECTIONS 14-154 WHICH WE JUST

DISCUSSED ABOVE.

THIS WARNING WILL LAST FOR 48 HOURS AND SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED

BY TPD IN A STREET CHECK REPORT WITH THE NAME AND

INFORMATION OF THE COMPLAINANT.

AFTER WARNING, OFFICERS CAN CITE ANYTIME WITHOUT A SWORN

COMPLAINT FROM A COMPLAINANT IF THERE IS AN UNREASONABLY

EXCESSIVE NOISE FOR A PROPERTY AND AFTER A FIVE-MINUTE

WARNING, NOISE FROM THE LOCATION HAS CONTINUED TO REMAIN

PLAINLY AUDIBLE FOR MORE THAN 100 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY'S

LINE AS MEASURED BY AN OFFICER.

WE CAN ALSO ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCE WITH A SWORN COMPLAINT

FROM A COMPLAINANT.

SO THAT MEANS, AFTER WARNING, OFFICERS CAN CITE ANYTIME WITH

A SWORN COMPLAINT FROM A COMPLAINANT.

THE DEFENDANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOISE FROM THE




LOCATION IF AFTER A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING, NOISE FROM THE

LOCATION IS STILL UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS BASED UPON

THE SWORN COMPLAINT OF ONE OR MORE WITNESSES OF THE NOISE

VIOLATION.

ENFORCEMENT IS CONDUCTED BY THE ISSUANCE OF A CIVIL

CITATION, WHICH IS PUNISHABLE AS AN INFRACTION.

NOISE VIOLATIONS ARE CLASS TWO VIOLATIONS.

THAT MEANS THAT THE FIRST OFFENSE IS $150.

THE SECOND OFFENSE IS $300.

AND THE THIRD AND SUBSEQUENT EVENT IS $450.

A VIOLATION OF SECTION 14-155 OR 156, THAT'S NOISE FROM A

VEHICLE, PLACEMENT OF LOUD SPEAKERS IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, ARE

CONSIDERED IRREPARABLE AND IRREVERSIBLE IN NATURE.

A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING IS NOT REQUIRED TO ISSUE ONE OF TWO

CITATIONS AND PEOPLE VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE IN THIS

WAY MAY IMMEDIATELY BE ISSUED A CIVIL CITATION.

MORE THAN ONE PERSON MAY BE FOUND RESPONSIBLE FOR A NOISE

VIOLATION.

AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO

CAPTAIN BRETT OWENS WHO WILL DISCUSS SLIDE SIX.

10:35:02 >> GOOD MORNING, BRETT OWEN, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT.

OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE'LL GO OVER WHERE

AND WHEN THESE NOISE VIOLATIONS OR NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE

COMING FROM.

WE REVIEWED THE DATA FROM JANUARY 1st OF 2019 THROUGH




OCTOBER 31st OF 2020, INCLUDES THE PERIOD OF THE COVID

SHUTDOWNS WITH THE BARS AND RESTAURANTS.

IT DOES SLIGHTLY SKEW OUR NUMBERS AND STATISTICS ARE BASED

ON CALLS FOR SERVICE UNDER THE 41M, DISTURBANCE BASED ON

MUSIC.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

YOU CAN SEE THIS SLIDE, WE HAVE CALLS FOR SERVICE BASED ON

HOUR OF THE DAY.

YOU CAN SEE IT RAMPS UP IN THE EVENING HOURS AND PEAKS

AROUND 11 P.M., MIDNIGHT AND THEN STARTS TO TAPER OFF AGAIN.

SIGNIFICANT DECREASE BY 3 A.M., TYPICALLY WHEN THE BARS AND

RESTAURANTS CLOSE.

NEXT SLIDE.

HERE IS THE DAY OF THE WEEK BASED ON THE CALL VOLUME.

I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT WEEKENDS ARE

HEAVIER VOLUME THAN WEEKDAYS, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY BEING OUR

HEAVIEST.

NEXT SLIDE.

HERE WE HAVE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE BROKEN DOWN BY THE POLICE

DISTRICTS.

DISTRICT ONE BEING THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.

SECTOR A IS NORTH OF KENNEDY AND SECTOR B BEING SOUTH OF

KENNEDY.

WE HAVE SECTOR C AND SECTOR D UP IN DISTRICT 2.

SECTOR D HEAVIEST CALL VOLUME THERE SHOWS FROM HILLSBOROUGH




AVENUE NORTH.

SECTOR E IS HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE SOUTH DOWN TO THE INTERSTATE

AND SECTOR F FROM I-4 SOUTH IN THROUGH DOWNTOWN.

NEXT SLIDE.

HERE'S THE SAME INFORMATION WITH THE CALLS BROKEN DOWN BY

THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY OCCUR ON THE MAP.

OBVIOUSLY, EAST TAMPA HAS SLIGHTLY HEAVIER VOLUME THERE,

PARTICULARLY AROUND YBOR CITY.

NEXT SLIDE.

OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE DISCUSSED FOLLOWING THE

PRESENTATION OF ITEM 3.

THEY KIND OF COINCIDE SO WE CAN DISCUSS ANY OTHER

INFORMATION.

10:37:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FOR --

10:37:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT, AND I APPRECIATE THE SLIDES.

DID ANY OF THE SLIDES SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE CITATIONS

ISSUED, NOT THE COMPLAINTS?

10:37:45 >> YES, SIR.

IF WE CAN GO BACK ONE SLIDE.

WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF DATA HERE.

WE HAD THE OPERATION SILENT NIGHT WHICH WAS STARTED ONE

MONTH AGO THAT HAD 69 STOPS CONDUCTED WITH 12 CITATIONS

ISSUED, AND THEN IN THE ACTUAL CALLS, THERE WERE 12,448




CALLS.

CITATIONS WITHIN DISTRICT FOUR, THERE WERE FOUR CITATIONS.

WITHIN DISTRICT FIVE, 99.

WITHIN DISTRICT SIX WAS SEVEN AND WITHIN DISTRICT SEVEN WAS

TWO.

10:38:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE RIGHT AROUND A

HUNDRED CITATIONS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT TIME

PERIOD IS.

THAT ABOUT A YEAR?

10:38:44 >> FROM JANUARY 1st OF 2019 TO OCTOBER 31st OF 2020.

10:38:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A HUNDRED CITATIONS, WE HAVE 10,000

CALLS FOR SERVICE.

THAT SEEMS ON THE LOW SIDE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR RATIONALE FOR THAT?

10:39:08 >> SO, THE CITATIONS ACTUALLY STARTED TO PICK UP AFTER WE

MOVED TO THE ELECTRONIC CITATIONS THROUGH THE TRACK SYSTEM,

SIMILAR TO OUR NORMAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CITATIONS.

I THINK THE MOBILITY OF IT, SIMPLISTIC NATURE MAKES IT

EASIER TO ISSUE CITATIONS.

10:39:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE CITATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE,

DOES THIS RELATE TO STRUCTURES AND VENUES OR MUSIC COMING

FROM HOMES AND THAT SORT OF THING OR DOES THIS RELATE TO

VEHICLES AT ALL?

10:39:45 >> IT'S ALL.




10:39:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IS THERE ANY BREAKOUT OR NO?

10:39:51 >> NO, SIR.

DO NOT DISTINGUISH THE TWO.

10:39:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO WE DON'T KNOW -- BECAUSE MR. DANIELS

COMES IN FRONT OF US QUITE OFTEN AND SPEAKS TO THE VEHICLE

ISSUE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF KNOWING WHICH ONE IS

WHICH.

I GUESS NO MATTER WHAT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE REALLY

ISSUING MUCH IN THE WAY OF VEHICLES AT ALL BECAUSE THE TOTAL

-- I CAN'T DO THE MATH RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT IT'S 100

DIVIDED BY APPROXIMATELY 10,000.

WHAT'S THAT?

.1% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

10:40:34 >> A LOT OF THE CITATIONS THAT COME IN FOR THE VEHICLES ARE

NOT BASED ON A COMPLAINT.

A LOT OF THOSE ARE WITNESSED BY OFFICERS.

THEY CAN'T TAKE A COMPLAINT FROM SOMEONE FOR A VEHICLE

THAT'S MOVING.

YOU'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THAT.

10:40:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE --

10:40:51 >> I DO NOT HAVE A BREAKOUT FOR THAT.

10:40:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
-- THAT ARE NOT COMPLAINT DRIVEN?

10:40:56 >> NO, SIR, I DO NOT HAVE A BREAKOUT OR A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT

THE CITATIONS ARE.




10:41:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
ARE THEY AVAILABLE?

IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, WHICH YOU WERE PROBABLY LISTENING

TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WE NEED TO BENCHMARK THESE THINGS IN

ORDER TO KNOW IF WE'RE DOING BETTER.

SO WHEN MR. DANIELS COMES BACK NEXT YEAR WITH THE SAME

COMPLAINTS, AT LEAST IF WE HAVE THAT BENCHMARKED, THEN WE

CAN SAY, WELL, WE'VE IMPROVED 50%.

WE IMPROVED 100%.

WE'RE GIVING TICKETS OUT ON THE STREET.

10:41:30 >> SIMONE SAVINO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

THERE IS A CONSIDERABLY HIGH NUMBER OF 14-155 CITATIONS THAT

I HAVE SEEN IN COURT AS MUNICIPAL PROSECUTOR.

WE CAN GET THAT DATA POINT FOR YOU.

WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PULL IT.

WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS JUST A TOTAL OF ALL THE CITATIONS THAT

WERE ISSUED IN THE EXPLAINED TIMELINE.

10:41:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU CAN FORWARD THAT

INFORMATION TO COUNCIL AFTER THE WORKSHOP AND SEE WHERE IT

GOES.

THANK YOU.

10:42:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO.

COUNCILMAN GUDES, COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:42:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON] DOT-MATRIX BACK UP

AGAIN, I'D APPRECIATE IT.




10:42:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
JOE, I DID WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU BEFORE

YOU MOVE FORWARD AND SPECIFICALLY JOE CITRO.

JOE OFTEN POINTS OUT WHEN WE'RE HAVING OUR REZONINGS,

ESPECIALLY AS RELATED TO WET ZONINGS, YOU KNOW, JOE ASKED

THE QUESTION HOW LATE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OPEN AND WHAT'S

THE STATUS OF THE EXTERNAL MUSIC.

WE CAN'T BE OUT IN THE POLICE CARS GIVING TICKETS.

MAYBE GUDES CAN, BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T.

BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN BE VIGILANT WHEN CLUBS COME IN

AND RESTAURANTS COME IN, LIKE MR. CITRO IS, TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND LIMIT THE EXTERNAL

MUSIC.

SO, JOE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE

YOU THAT --

10:43:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I BELIEVE MS. ABBYE FEELEY IS GOING TO HAVE SOME VERY GOOD

INFORMATION FOR US.

AS OUR CITY IS GROWING, WE'RE FINDING THAT MORE

ESTABLISHMENTS ARE ENCROACHING INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS MIGHT HAVE TO HEAR LOUD

MUSIC IN THE NIGHTS THEY ARE TRYING TO SLEEP.

AGAIN, CAPTAIN OWENS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE DOT-MATRIX YOU HAD UP THERE, I WAS NOTICING THAT A LOT

OF THOSE, AS YOU HAD SAID, WAS YBOR CITY.

I'M ALSO NOTICING A LOT OF THEM WERE HOWARD AVENUE GOING UP




THROUGH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, THROUGH FLORIDA AVENUE, BUT MY

QUESTION AGAIN IS, THERE IS A LOT OF DOTS AROUND SOUTH TAMPA

WHERE PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT IT'S JUST MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

ARE THESE JUST PEOPLE HAVING PARTIES AND GOT A LITTLE TOO

LOUD AND MAYBE HAD A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO DRINK AND THAT'S THE

REASON WHY THEIR NEIGHBORS MAY HAVE CALLED ON THEM?

10:44:09 >> THAT DOES HAPPEN QUITE FREQUENTLY.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOME KIND OF

GATHERING, IT GETS A LITTLE LATE AND PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE

IT.

10:44:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE MATRIX IN FRONT OF

US.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY FOR SURE BECAUSE I CAN ONLY LOOK

AT THE MAP.

AGAIN, IT SEEMS THAT HOWARD AVENUE, YBOR CITY, GOING UP

FLORIDA AVENUE AND PARTS OF DALE MABRY SEEM LIKE IT'S A

LITTLE MORE INTENSIVE THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

CAN I SAFELY SAY THAT?

10:44:41 >> YES, SIR.

THEY ARE MORE INDUSTRIAL, ENTERTAINMENT RELATED.

10:44:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CAPTAIN.

10:44:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I SAW

RECOMMENDATIONS.

WILL YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL?

10:45:00 >> YES, WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING THOSE OR THEY HAVE BEEN




GROUPED TOGETHER WITH ITEM THREE.

SO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING IS GROUPED

TOGETHER WITH THAT PRESENTATION.

10:45:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
JUST TO MAKE A POINT, MR. DINGFELDER AND

MR. CITRO AND MR. CARLSON TALKED ABOUT EVENTUALLY MS. FEELEY

IS WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT THESE

ENTERTAINMENT-TYPE DISTRICTS, AGAIN, ENCROACHING ON

NEIGHBORHOODS.

MR. CARLSON MADE MENTION, WE NEED TO LOOK AT ENTERTAINMENT

DISTRICTS BEING A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY SO IT'S NOT

INFRINGING ON THE RESIDENTS.

GOOD POINT AGAIN, MR. DINGFELDER AND MR. CITRO, MR. CARLSON.

10:45:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLTON.

10:45:37 >>BILL CARLSON:
STOP ME IF YOU'RE GOING TO COVER THIS IN

ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT OTHERS HAVE

BEEN ASKING, MR. DANIELS AND OTHERS HAVE COMPLAINED

REGULARLY ABOUT SOUND FROM CARS.

YBOR CITY, I GET CALLS ALMOST EVERY DAY.

SOUTH TAMPA, EAST TAMPA.

WHAT CAN WE DO AS CITY COUNCIL TO TRY TO SUPPORT YOUR

EFFORTS IN ENFORCING THE NOISE ISSUE FROM VEHICLES?

WE WANT TO KNOW THE REST OF IT, TOO, BUT IN VEHICLES IN

PARTICULAR, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY ARE

MOVING AND THEY MIGHT JUST BE BLASTING DOWN 7th AVENUE AND

THEN DISAPPEAR.




IS THERE SOMETHING CITY COUNCIL CAN DO TO SUPPORT YOUR

EFFORT?

10:46:22 >> NICE TO HAVE SOME CITIZENS TAKE SOME SELF-RESPONSIBILITY

AND LOWER THEIR MUSIC.

AS FAR AS CITATIONS GO, WE CAN ISSUE THEM.

DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU ALL AS

FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT.

10:46:40 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
I WILL NOTE THAT SECTION 14-155, WHICH

GOVERNS THE UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS NOISE FROM A

VEHICLE, THAT IS AN IRREPARABLE AND IRREVERSIBLE VIOLATION.

ONCE AN OFFICER DOES WITNESS IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT

FIVE MINUTES, WHICH IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE FOR THE

OTHER NOISE SECTIONS.

THEY ARE NOT PROHIBITED BY A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING.

THEY CAN GO AHEAD, MEASURE THE DISTANCE, MAKE SURE -- AND

ISSUE A CITATION.

THE CODE ALLOWS FOR VERY QUICK ENFORCEMENT IF A VIOLATION IS

WITNESSED, IF AND WHEN A VIOLATION IS WITNESSED.

10:47:25 >>BILL CARLSON:
GREAT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN SUPPORT YOU.

I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAD A LOT

OF RETIREMENTS AND FOLKS ARE -- HAVE TO PUT IN A LOT OF

EXTRA HOURS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE.

BUT IF THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP YOU.




OBVIOUSLY, FOLKS LIKE MR. DANIELS AND OTHERS, MANY OTHERS

WANT THIS SOLVED, AND IT'S AN ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:47:50 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

QUESTION FOR LEGAL, PLEASE.

10:47:54 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
YES.

10:47:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
DEFINITION OF LOUD NOISE GOES BY DECIBELS,

DOES IT NOT?

10:48:01 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
THE DEFINITION OF LOUD, UNREASONABLY LOUD

AND RAUCOUS GOES BY DECIBELS ACCORDING TO SECTION 14-153.

10:48:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:48:10 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
SECTION [INAUDIBLE] DOES NOT USE DECIBELS.

10:48:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CAPTAIN OWENS, DOES EVERY POLICE OFFICER HAVE A DECIBEL

READING MACHINE OR TOOL?

10:48:23 >> NO, SIR.

10:48:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAPTAIN OWEN, I'M HERE TRYING TO SUPPORT YOU

ON THIS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE USEFUL TO THE TPD?

10:48:36 >> WE HAVE THE METERS AND WE SIGN THEM OUT NIGHTLY SO THAT

THEY CAN TAKE THEM TO YBOR CITY AND TO THE OTHER AREAS WHERE

IT'S APPLICABLE.

BUT THERE ARE SO FEW AREAS LEFT THAT REQUIRE THE NOISE

METER, IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR EVERY OFFICER TO HAVE ONE.

10:48:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THEN AGAIN WE SAW ON THE DOT-MATRIX THAT




THERE WERE SEVERAL PLACES WERE NOT IN YBOR CITY, WERE NOT ON

HOWARD AVENUE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

NOW I'LL GO BACK TO LEGAL.

IF SOMEONE GETS PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING AND THERE IS A

RADAR GUN, YOU'VE GOT ACTUAL RECORD OF HOW FAST THEY WERE

GOING.

YOU YOURSELF JUST SAID THAT IT'S READ BY DECIBEL.

IF AN OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE A DECIBEL METER AND SAYS THAT

THESE PEOPLE WERE BEING TOO LOUD OR THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS

BAR OR WHATEVER, AND HANDS HIM A CIVIL CITATION, IS THERE

EVIDENCE TO BACK THEM UP ON THAT?

10:49:36 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE.

YOU'RE ASKING THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A DECIBEL READER, CAN

THEY CITE THEM?

10:49:43 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I DID NOT ASK THAT.

I SAID, IF THEY ARE CITED AND THERE IS NOT A DECIBEL READER

MEASUREMENT, HOW IS THAT GOING TO PROVE ANY TYPE OF GUILT OR

INNOCENCE?

10:50:01 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
I WILL DEFER TO CAPTAIN OWEN BECAUSE HE

DOES TAKE PART IN THE ACTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS.

I WILL ALSO MENTION THE AREAS THAT ARE GOVERNED BY DECIBELS

ARE JUST YBOR, CHANNEL DISTRICT AND ARENA DISTRICT.

10:50:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LEGAL, YOU'LL ANSWER MY QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE




THEN.

THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HAVING

PARTIES, WHERE THEIR NEIGHBORS CALL ON THEM AND SAY THAT THE

MUSIC IS TOO LOUD.

OKAY.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, CAPTAIN OWEN.

10:50:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.

10:50:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TWO QUESTIONS, I'LL LET YOU FINISH IT OFF

LATER WITH IT.

OKAY?

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE METERS COST?

10:50:47 >> I DO NOT.

10:50:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU'RE SAYING IN THE EAST DISTRICT OFFICE,

HOW MANY ARE IN THE EQUIPMENT ROOM?

10:50:56 >> WE HAVE TWO.

10:50:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
TWO FOR EACH DISTRICT.

10:51:01 >> YES.

10:51:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MAYBE EACH SQUAD -- A COUPLE EACH SQUAD.

10:51:06 >> WE KEEP THEM ASSIGNED WITH A SIGN-OUT LOG SO WE HAVE

ACCOUNTABILITY.

BUT BASED ON THE GRAPH YOU SAW, WE DON'T NEED THEM OUT THERE

AT ALL HOURS.

TYPICALLY SPEAKING, SOMEONE CHECKS IT OUT EVERY WEEKEND AND




CARRIES IT WITH THEM AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE

FOR RESPONDING TO THOSE NOISE COMPLAINTS.

10:51:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I GET THAT.

I GET WHAT MR. CITRO IS SAYING, IF YOU HAD A FEW ON THOSE

SQUADS AND WE HEAR THE NOISE, IT MAY NOT BE FROM THE YBOR

CITY.

IT MAY BE A CAR.

IT COULD BE A LOUD PARTY THAT'S GOT SOME SPEAKERS OUT IN THE

YARD OR WHATEVER.

I CONCUR, IF THEY HAVE THAT METER DECIBEL, THEY CAN READ IT

RIGHT AWAY.

THIS IS THE LEGAL.

ARE THERE ANY CITIES THAT HAVE A NO NOISE FOR VEHICLES OR

LOUD MUSIC ANYWHERE OR IT'S ALWAYS -- ON THE DECIBEL.

10:51:59 >> SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THE LAST WORD.

IS IT ALWAYS REGULATED BY DECIBEL?

10:52:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CORRECT.

10:52:06 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
IT DIFFERS FROM CITY TO CITY.

I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW AS FAR AS A VEHICLE NOISE CITATION,

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE A DECIBEL READING.

THAT'S PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

ALL WE'RE MEASURING FOR THE VEHICLES IS THE DISTANCE FROM

WHICH THE OFFICER IS STANDING FROM THE VEHICLE EMITTING A

SOUND.

IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 FEET.




SO WE ARE PROGRESSIVE IN THAT IT IS A PLAINLY AUDIBLE

STANDARD.

TPD JUST HAS TO WITNESS THE VIOLATION BY WHAT THEY HEAR,

UNREASONABLY LOUD AND RAUCOUS STANDARD IN ORDER TO ISSUE A

VIOLATION FOR A VEHICLE.

I ALSO WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH YOU GUYS JUST TO

REITERATE.

SECTION 14-153 IS THE ONLY SECTION THAT GOVERNS WITH DECIBEL

LEVELS IN OUR ORDINANCE.

IT'S SPECIFIC TO YBOR CITY, CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND ARENA

DISTRICT AT PRESENT.

THIS WAS ESTABLISHED BECAUSE INITIALLY THESE WERE AREAS

ZONED FOR ENTERTAINMENT, AND THAT ALLOWED FOR A LOUDER

STANDARD TO BE ESTABLISHED FOR NOISE, AND ALSO THE DECIBEL

APPLIES HERE BECAUSE ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ARE LINED UP.

IT'S EASIER FOR AN OFFICER TO SCAN WITH A DECIBEL READER

FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS CODE SECTION

REQUIRES.

EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY IS CONSIDERED THAT PLAINLY

AUDIBLE, LOUD AND RAUCOUS STANDARD.

A DECIBEL READER IS NOT NEEDED TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE

WITHIN SECTION 14-154.

10:53:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
IT'S NOT SAYING WE COULDN'T ADD THAT,

CORRECT?

IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN'T ADD THAT, CORRECT?




COUNCIL SAYS WE WANT DECIBEL METERS FOR OFFICERS OR DECIBEL

METERS IN REFERENCE TO 50 FEET.

10:54:00 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
SURE.

ANYTHING CAN BE MANIPULATED.

ANYTHING THAT EXISTS IN THE CODE CAN BE MANIPULATED.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW THAT WE

WOULD DEFER TO THAT.

WE BELIEVE DECIBELS WORK WELL IN SECTION 14-153 ENFORCEMENT

AND PLAINLY AUDIBLE WORKS WELL IN 14-154 ENFORCEMENT.

10:54:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CLAY DANIELS, WITH VEHICLES, MR. CITRO

ALLUDED TO, SOMEBODY TAKES TO COURT, CHALLENGES IT.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE

THAT THE CITIZENS, THAT THE COUNCIL IS HEARING THEM FOR

THEIR NEEDS AND CONCERNS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE

WE'RE ABLE TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM SOMETHING.

10:54:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:54:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR INFORMATION HERE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL.

CAN YOU READ OFF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS AGAIN FOR ME?

10:55:06 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY NOTED IN THE CODE

AS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.

THEY ARE JUST DESIGNATED AREAS.

10:55:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
REGARDLESS, GIVE ME THE DESIGNATED AREAS,




PLEASE.

10:55:15 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT, CHANNEL

DISTRICT, AND THE ARENA DISTRICT.

10:55:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
CAN WE MAYBE IN THE FUTURE ADD PLACES THAT

I'M GETTING SERIOUS CALLS FROM?

HOWARD AVENUE, FLORIDA AVENUE, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS

GOING TO HAVE TO BE A CHANGE.

THANK YOU, ABBYE FEELEY.

I SEE YOU'RE IN THERE RIGHT NOW.

BUT I'M ALSO GETTING CALLS IN THOSE AREAS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:55:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

10:55:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
I WANTED TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION REAL

FAST.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SOUND OF VEHICLES, SO YESTERDAY,

JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, MY OTHER OFFICE IS IN YBOR.

I'M IN YBOR ALL THE TIME FOR THAT.

YESTERDAY, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT VEHICLES THAT

DROVE DOWN 7th AVENUE.

THEY WERE SPEEDING, AND THEY CRANKED UP THEIR MUFFLER.

IN THE OLD DAYS, WE USED TO HAVE INSPECTIONS.

THIS IS DATING ME, BUT INSPECT THE MUFFLERS.

NOW THE PEOPLE TAKE THEM OFF AND THE CARS ARE REALLY LOUD

BECAUSE THEY SET THEM UP TO BE LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT AMPLIFIED SOUND FROM ELECTRONICALLY BUT AMPLIFIED




SOUND FROM A MUFFLER.

DO YOU ALL TREAT THAT SOUND THE SAME OR ARE THEY DIFFERENT?

10:56:25 >> IT'S ACTUALLY DIFFERENT.

THERE IS A FLORIDA STATUTE FOR THE EXHAUST.

10:56:29 >>BILL CARLSON:
THEY STILL COULD BE FINED FOR THAT?

10:56:32 >> YES, SIR.

IT'S STILL A CITATION.

10:56:36 >>SIMONE SAVINO:
THAT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC INFRACTION, WHICH

WOULD BE NOT -- IT WOULDN'T BE A CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATION AT

THAT POINT.

10:56:46 >>BILL CARLSON:
I'M GETTING LOTS OF POSITIVE COMMENTS ABOUT

YBOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THAT YOU ALL ARE REGULARLY

ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT PEOPLE WANTED.

AS YBOR CHANGES FROM A BAR DISTRICT TO A COMMUNITY AGAIN,

THE FOLKS THERE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR HELP.

THANK YOU.

10:57:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES BROUGHT UP A QUESTION.

CAN WE PUT AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE OR A LAW THAT YOU JUST BAN

SOUND COMPLETELY?

I THINK IN NEW YORK CITY AND MANHATTAN, I THINK HONKING IS

NOT ALLOWED.

IF I REMEMBER, THERE'S LIKE NO HONKING AND DON'T BLOCK THE

BOX, DON'T BLOCK THE INTERSECTION.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC.

I RIGHT?




I HAVEN'T BEEN IN NEW YORK IN 15 YEARS.

I REMEMBER SEEING SIGNS, YOU SEE OLD MOVIES BASED IN

NEW YORK AND IT'S ALL THIS HONKING AND TRAFFIC.

IF THEY CAN BAN THAT, WHY CAN'T WE TAKE CERTAIN STEPS FOR

OTHER THINGS HERE?

10:57:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
WHAT WILL WE DO WHEN SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT

THEIR CELL PHONE AND THE LIGHT IS GREEN?

10:57:51 >>BILL CARLSON:
NOT JUST A LIGHT GREEN, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING

DOWN THE INTERSTATE 80 MILES AN HOUR WITH BOTH HANDS TEXTING

LOOKING DOWN.

10:58:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO WE HAVE A SEPARATE PRESENTATION FOR

ITEM NUMBER 3?

WE'LL ROLL INTO 3 AND BRING UP THE PRESENTATION.

10:58:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:58:19 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND

GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

SIMONE, DON'T RUN AWAY.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.

I THINK WHAT YOU ALL HAVE ENCOMPASSED IN THE LAST 20 MINUTES

JUST THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSION IS WHAT WE FACE AS WE LOOK AT

THESE REGULATIONS, AND WE LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO CHANGE

THEM AND ALSO TO ACHIEVE WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT AS A CITY.

AS YOU CAN HEAR THIS MORNING, NOISE, IT'S BIG, AND THERE ARE

ALL THESE STANDARDS AND THERE ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT




PARAMETERS THAT GO WITH IT.

AND WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SEVERAL OF THOSE THIS

MORNING, AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE MAKING

TODAY.

IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.

WITH ME THIS MORNING, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, SENIOR ASSISTANT

CITY ATTORNEY, AND SIMONE SAVINO, WHO YOU JUST HEARD FROM,

ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS TOGETHER ALSO IN COLLABORATION --

WHO BROUGHT MANY OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE CHANGES TO YOU JUST

A FEW YEARS AGO.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THERE WERE SOME MOTIONS MADE.

THERE WAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION GIVEN ON OCTOBER 22nd THAT

LOOKED AT THE SOUND REGULATIONS RELATED TO ALCOHOLIC

BEVERAGE PERMITS.

WHERE WAS IT REGULATED.

WHAT TYPES OF USES HAD SOUND REGULATED WITH IT IN TERMS OF

WHEN YOU GOT PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.

SO AT THAT HEARING OR AT THAT WORKSHOP, THERE WAS A MOTION

TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

WE WERE THEN CONTINUED A COUPLE OF TIMES, WHICH ACTUALLY

GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO FORMULATE THINGS A LITTLE BIT

FURTHER FOR YOU, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

THE THING WE WERE FACING WAS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD AN




ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT, YOU HAD OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND

TILL A CERTAIN TIME, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE AN ALCOHOLIC

BEVERAGE PERMIT, YOU GOT OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND ALL THE

TIME.

OUR OBJECTIVE -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE -- IN LOOKING AT THIS

ISSUE AND BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU TODAY WAS REALLY TO COME

BACK TO YOU TO PROVIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA CITIZEN COMMERCIAL

ESTABLISHMENTS AND ENFORCEMENT WITH A PREDICTABLE AND

UNDERSTANDABLE APPROACH TO NOISE ENFORCEMENT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM SIMONE, THERE ARE THESE TWO

STANDARDS, THERE ARE TWO AREAS OF THE CITY'S CODE OF

ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS SOUND AND NOISE.

THE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND WHICH IS WHAT YOU ALL TYPICALLY

TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE

REQUESTS THAT COME BEFORE YOU, AND THE ONLY PLACE RIGHT NOW

THAT OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND IS DISCUSSED IN OUR CODE IS IN

THE SPECIAL USE CRITERIA, BUT IT IS NOT DEFINED.

IN RELATIONSHIP TO NOISE, AS WE JUST HAD A PRETTY EXTENSIVE

PRESENTATION FROM SIMONE AND CAPTAIN OWEN, NOISE IS

ADDRESSED IN CHAPTER 14, AND THERE ARE TWO STANDARDS.

I REALLY JUST HEARD YOU ALL TALK ABOUT THEM, AND THAT IS

THAT DECIBEL STANDARD WHEN YOU ARE USING A METER TO MEASURE

THE SOUND, AND THERE IS A PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD.

THAT'S WHEN YOU HEAR IT WITH YOUR OWN EARS.




THAT IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS ABOUT

THE LOUD CARS, WHEN YOU HEAR A CAR, RIGHT NOW UNDER OUR

CURRENT CODE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE HEARING IT 50 FEET AWAY,

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A CITATION.

GET OUT THE DECIBEL READER AND MEASURE AND SEE AND AS THE

CAR PULLS AWAY, SO YOU ACTUALLY, IF IT IS BEING HEARD BY THE

OFFICER AND THE OFFICER IS 50 FEET FROM THE CAR, A CITATION

CAN BE ISSUED UNDER TODAY'S CODE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I'M GOING TO LET SUSAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CURRENT

STANDARDS AND HOW THEY ARE EMPLOYED.

I THINK WE JUST WENT OVER A LOT OF THEM.

WE'LL BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THOSE AND MOVE ON TO THE

RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

11:02:54 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

COUNCIL, THIS SLIDE SUMMARIZES THE TWO CURRENT STANDARDS

THAT THE CITY USES.

AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE DECIBEL LEVEL STANDARD AS WELL

AS THE PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD.

THEY ARE BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC LOCATIONS OF THE PROPERTY.

SIMONE TOLD YOU A FEW MINUTES AGO THAT WE USE THE DECIBEL

LEVEL STANDARD IN THE YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT, CURRENTLY AS

WELL AS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND THE ARENA DISTRICT.

THAT ESTABLISHES THAT MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL OF 85 DBA

BETWEEN 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M.




AND THEN STARTING AT 3 A.M. AND CONTINUING UNTIL 6 P.M., IT

REDUCES IT 20 POINTS DOWN TO 65 DECIBELS.

IN ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, THE PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD

APPLIES.

WE'VE BEEN THROWING THAT TERM AROUND A LOT.

IF WE COULD JUST SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE VERY QUICKLY THAT

SHOWS THE CURRENT DEFINITIONS IN THE CODE AND FOUR DOWN, A

DEFINITION FOR PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

THAT YOU CAN SEE MEANS ANY SOUND THAT CAN BE CLEARLY HEARD

BY A PERSON USING HIS OR HER NORMAL HEARING FACULTIES.

THAT'S SOUND UNAIDED BY A HEARING AID, FOR EXAMPLE, OR ANY

TYPE OF DEVICE THAT AIDS IN HEARING.

IT FURTHER DESCRIBES WHAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE OUT PARTICULAR WORDS BUT

YOU CAN HEAR THE SOUND.

AGAIN, AS WAS DESCRIBED TO YOU IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, IT'S

PLAINLY AUDIBLE IF YOU'RE STANDING AT A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET

AWAY.

SO THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT'S APPLICABLE IN ALL OTHER AREAS

OF THE CITY BESIDES THOSE THREE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE

SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE.

AND THE WAY THOSE ARE DEFINED, COUNCILMAN CITRO, TO ADDRESS,

SO YOU CAN BE THINKING IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE WANTING TO

CONSIDER ADDING THOSE IS THOSE THREE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE

VERY SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.




THE BOUNDARIES OF THEM ARE VERY SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN THE

CODE.

SO YOU WOULD NEED TO ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT PARAMETERS

YOU WOULD WANT TO ESTABLISH FOR THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS.

I HEARD HOWARD AVENUE MENTIONED.

NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE MENTIONED, SO WHAT SPECIFIC AREAS OF

THOSE THAT YOU THINK ARE PROBLEMATIC THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE TO

DISCUSS ADDING TO SECTION 14-153.

ABBYE, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU TO SUMMARIZE THE

RECOMMENDATIONS.

11:05:22 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU, SUSAN.

SO THIS MORNING WE HAVE FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THE FIRST IS TO CREATE A CITYWIDE AMPLIFIED SOUND STANDARD.

SO NO LONGER SELL ALCOHOL AND LIMITED TO AMPLIFIED SOUND,

PLIFIED SOUND THROUGHOUT THE CITY WOULD CEASE AT A CERTAIN

TIME.

NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT SAME STANDARD

AND IT WOULD WORK TO REALLY CREATE THAT PRIVACY AND COMFORT

IN YOUR HOME THAT SO MANY OF YOU HAVE DISCUSSED OVER THE

PAST FEW MONTHS WHEN THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP.

THE SECOND WOULD BE TO MODIFY AND AMEND CHAPTER 14 TO DO

SOME REFINEMENT, CLARIFICATION, AND UPDATES.

AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL.

THE THIRD IS TO ADDRESS THE CHANNEL DISTRICT AND MOVING THE




CHANNEL DISTRICT FROM THOSE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS INTO THE

GENERAL CITY STANDARD.

SO GIVEN THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE THAT HAS NOW DEVELOPED IN

CHANNEL SIDE, IT REALLY IS PREDOMINANTLY A RESIDENTIAL

NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ACCESSORY RESTAURANT AND OTHER USES, BUT

WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS THE REST OF THE CITY.

AND THEN TO LOOK AT UPDATING THE ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS.

THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED WITH YOU AND

LOOKING AT REMOVING THAT AND ALLOWING FOR IMMEDIATE WARNING

OR CITATION WITHOUT HAVING THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING.

AND THEN LASTLY, MONITORING AND ASSESSING FUTURE

CONSIDERATIONS.

WE HAVE SOME STARTING PLACES TODAY, AND WE'LL TALK TO YOU A

LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IF WE MOVE

FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS PER YOUR DIRECTION, AND

THEN WHAT WOULD BE PHASE TWO AND MUCH OF THAT WAS LOOKING AT

THOSE MIXED USE CORRIDORS AND SOME OF OUR URBAN VILLAGES

WHICH ARE THE AREAS THAT COUNCILMAN CITRO WAS DISCUSSING

JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WHERE DO WE START?

AND OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS TO CREATE A CITYWIDE

STANDARD THAT PROHIBITS OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER

MIDNIGHT.

EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, WHETHER I SELL ALCOHOL OR NOT, WHICH




IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN WE TALKED THROUGH THIS AND

PREPARED THIS PRESENTATION FOR YOU, IT'S INTERESTING TO

THINK THAT SOMEPLACE LIKE WORLD OF BEER OR MacDINTON'S OR

SOMETHING MAY HAVE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 1 A.M.

OR AFTER 11 P.M., BUT PETA PIT THAT'S NEXT DOOR AND

CONTINUES TO STAY OPEN AND SERVE PEOPLE FOOD UNTIL 3 A.M.

WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THE BARS COULD HAVE OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED

SOUND.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE.

IT WASN'T EQUITABLE.

WE TRIED TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE?

OUR OBJECTIVE IS AT A CERTAIN POINT, THE CITY SHOULD BE

QUIET.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU THIS MORNING THAT WE

WOULD PROPOSE CITYWIDE NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER

MIDNIGHT.

NOW, IN HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ALSO, YOU HAVE OUTDOOR

PLIFIED SOUND AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE NOISE OR SOUND THAT

COMES FROM INSIDE AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT WOULD CONTINUE AFTER

THAT TIME, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HEARD OUTSIDE.

AND THAT, TOO, HAS A STANDARD OF MEASUREMENT, AND IT HAS A

STANDARD OF ENFORCEMENT.

AND THAT IS THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS.

I'LL LET SUSAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

SHE'S DONE SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAD




IN AS THEIR STANDARDS.

I ASK TO YOU KEEP IN MIND AGAIN THAT THE DECIBELS ARE

MEASUREMENTS AND ENFORCED IN THE THREE AREAS, YBOR, ARENA

DISTRICT, AND CHANNEL DISTRICT, AND THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER

OF THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THOSE, IT IS A PLAINLY AUDIBLE

STANDARD.

SUSAN.

11:09:28 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, ABBYE.

COUNCIL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE ALSO JUST SO

YOU'RE AWARE, THAT IN PREPARING FOR THIS WORKSHOP, WE DID DO

RESEARCH ON OTHER JURISDICTIONS ALL THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF

FLORIDA AS WELL AS ATLANTA, PLACES LIKE AUSTIN, TEXAS, JUST

TO SEE HOW THEY TREATED NOISE AND WHAT WE LEARNED THERE IS

REALLY NO ONE UNIVERSAL APPROACH AND THAT CITIES REALLY DO

TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AS A

WHOLE, AS WELL AS CERTAIN SPECIFIED AREAS.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT CITIES TRY TO

ADDRESS NOISE.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS KIND OF INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO

SEE HOW THEY AFFECT NOISE AND NOISE ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE

CITY, AND THEN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT FURTHER STEPS ARE

NEEDED.

SO ONE AREA THAT WE THINK IS RIGHT FOR CHANGE IS THE

SPECIFIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE CODE.

YBOR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ARENA DISTRICT.




WE'LL DEAL WITH CHANNEL DISTRICT IN A MOMENT.

BUT JUST GRADUALLY REDUCING THE MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVEL.

CURRENTLY, AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, IT STARTS AT THE MAXIMUM

DECIBEL LEVEL BETWEEN 6 A.M. -- SORRY, 6 P.M. AND 3 A.M., 85

DECIBELS.

AND AT 3 A.M., IT GOES DOWN TO 65.

SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE WOULD BE TO DO, ADD A SECOND TIER,

KIND OF A MIDDLE TIER BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1 A.M. AND 3 A.M.

SO THAT YOU REDUCE THE SOUND LEVEL DOWN, AND THEN AT 3 A.M.,

YOU GO DOWN TO THAT LOWER LEVEL OF 65.

AND THIS WAS IN PART DUE TO THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID INTO

OTHER AREAS AS WELL AS MONITORING OF ESTABLISHMENTS IN SOME

OF THOSE DISTRICTS WHERE WE DID SEE THAT THERE WAS NOISE

LEVELS SOMETIMES IN THAT LOWER THAN 85, BUT HIGHER THAN THAT

75 WITHIN THOSE TIME FRAMES.

AND THAT WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL LAYER, ADDITIONAL

OPPORTUNITY FOR ENFORCEMENT AND REDUCTION OF SOUND IF WE

ADDED THAT EXTRA MIDDLE TIER.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT IDEA CAME FROM.

THEN ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WOULD REMAIN THE PLAINLY

AUDIBLE STANDARD CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE CODE WHERE THE

SOUND IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE USING YOUR NORMAL HEARING

FACULTIES.

SO THAT WOULD ALLOW ENFORCEMENT TO REMAIN THE SAME FOR OTHER

AREAS OF THE CITY.




THE SECOND -- I'M SORRY.

11:12:01 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AS WE MOVE THROUGH, IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO

HOLD DISCUSSION TO THE END ON ALL FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS OR IF

YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS EACH RECOMMENDATION INDIVIDUALLY.

11:12:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S GO ONE AT A TIME, THEN.

COUNCILMAN CITRO.

AND DINGFELDER.

11:12:19 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
[MICROPHONE NOT ON] MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ AND

MS. FEELEY, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THIS.

I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

JUST SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND THEY SEE 85 DBA, 75 DBA, CAN

YOU GIVE A KIND OF COMPARISON TO WHAT THOSE LEVELS ARE LIKE?

FOR INSTANCE, 85 DBA A JET ENGINE WHERE 65 IS ONLY SOMEBODY

PLAYING THE DRUMS IN THE HOUSE?

11:12:56 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THIS IS SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.

THOSE 85 DBA VERSUS 65 DBA WERE LEVELS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED

ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WHEN THE CITY HAD A SOUND EXPERT COME IN

AND DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE MINIMUM AND

MAXIMUM DECIBEL LEVELS FOR THE CITY.

11:13:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THAT'S GREAT.

BUT I THINK THAT -- EXCUSE ME, I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT

THERE THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT LEVELS THOSE ARE.

I WAS JUST HOPING YOU COULD GIVE SOME SORT OF COMPARISON.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.




11:13:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:13:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ABBYE AND SUSAN, IT'S AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE GRADUAL REDUCTION, IT DOESN'T SPEAK TO

THE DAYS OF THE WEEK I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE

TWEAKING THIS, TO ME, DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE PRETTY RELEVANT.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PEACE

AND QUIET ON A SUNDAY NIGHT, MONDAY NIGHT, TUESDAY NIGHT AND

WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

PERHAPS MORE SO THAN THURSDAY, FRIDAY, OR SATURDAY.

AND I THINK COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN TO THAT ON MANY OCCASIONS

DURING WET ZONINGS, ET CETERA.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT OR THOUGHT ABOUT

THAT.

I'D LOVE TO HEAR OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS' INPUT ON THAT, BUT

THIS COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN

THAT.

I THINK ON A SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT

TO PEACE AND QUIET BY MIDNIGHT.

AND I KNOW MOST CLUBS AND A LOT OF CLUBS, ANYWAY, ARE

SHUTTING DOWN ON THOSE DAYS BY MIDNIGHT.

BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CREATE SOME ENFORCEABLE RESTRICTIONS,

I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE DAYS OF THE WEEK.

COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, ANYBODY?




11:15:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:15:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU HAVE TO BE RATIONAL.

PEOPLE SELL PRODUCTS.

THEY SELL LOUD SPEAKERS.

THEY SELL CARS THAT HAVE BIG SYSTEMS IN THEM.

MY GOOD FRIEND IS A DEEJAY, THEY BUY THESE BIG THINGS, GO TO

THE NIGHTCLUBS, THE YOUNG FOLKS WANT TO HEAR IT, BOOM, BOOM,

BOOM.

SOMETIMES I BOB MY HEAD, TOO.

GET REALISTIC WITH IT.

BUT I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS RIGHT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WEEKEND, THURSDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, YOU

GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE LENIENCY WITH IT A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK DISTINCTLY LOOKING AT DAYS OF THE WEEK.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT DURING THE WEEK.

PEOPLE GO TO WORK.

SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT WHEN I SAY THIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT

YBOR, SAY IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

IT'S NOT A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE.

IT'S WHAT IT IS.

YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BARS.

WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BARS, YOU HAVE MUSIC.

IT IS WHAT IT IS.

YOU HAVE MUSIC.




WE'VE MADE THE SOHO DISTRICT, YOU WANT A LIVABLE PLACE, NOW

YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE COME IN AND THOSE BARS ARE THERE

MAKING MONEY.

YOU HAVE CIGAR BARS.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO DEFINE THE DAYS OF THE WEEK.

I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK LOOKING AT THE DECIBELS WOULD PROBABLY HELP SOME

DURING AGAIN THE WEEKEND HOURS AS WELL.

SOME PEOPLE DO GO OVERBOARD.

LITTLE PARTY AT THE HOUSE OR SOMEPLACE, AND IT GOES OVER

PAST 1:00.

SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT TO TRY OUT THIS PARTICULAR

TIME, BUT I DO THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE STIPULATIONS FOR

DURING THE WEEK, THOUGH.

MY SUGGESTION.

11:16:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?

COUNCILMAN VIERA.

11:17:00 >>LUIS VIERA:
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO TAKE A LOOK AT

DAYS OF THE WEEK.

NOT EVERYTHING IS EQUAL IN DAYS OF THE WEEK, AND THERE ARE

SOME DAYS WHEN COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MORE --

THERE'S EXPECTED TO BE A MORE REASONABLE TOLERANCE FOR

HIGHER NOISE AND OTHER TIMES WHEN COMMUNITIES DON'T WANT TO

COME ON, FEEL THE NOISE.

I THINK THAT'S FINE WITH ME.




11:17:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I MYSELF LIKE PEACE AND QUIET SEVEN DAYS

OF THE WEEK.

[ LAUGHTER ]

BUT I CAN SUPPORT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE

SAYING.

I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT.

ANYBODY ELSE?

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YES, SIR.

UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:17:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
LET ME SAY THIS, I JUST HEARD THE COMMENT

FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, COLLEAGUES.

I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU.

I BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S DISTURBING ON A MONDAY IS THE SAME

DISTURBANCE THAT'S ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.

I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IN OTHER WAYS OF

DOING THINGS, BUT IF NOISE IS THAT BAD AND NOISE BOTHERS YOU

ON A SATURDAY, IT SHOULD BOTHER YOU ON A MONDAY ALSO.

LOUD NOISE COMES OUT AND YOU'RE SLEEPING, NO MATTER WHAT DAY

OF THE WEEK IT IS, YOUR MIND AND YOUR BODY NEEDS REST.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT SHOULD BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE

WEEK.

TO CHANGE EVERYTHING ELSE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE,

NOT THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING THE

DECISION, WHETHER IT'S AGAINST THE LAW OR NOT, BUT THOSE

THAT ARE VIOLATING THE LAW, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE




WEEK, WHAT DECIBELS ARE OR NOT.

WHEN YOU HAVE SPEED LIMITS AND THAT YOU HAVE IN THE CITY, IT

DOESN'T CHANGE FROM MONDAY TO SUNDAY.

I'M NOT TRYING TO USE IT AS AN EXCUSE, BUT AS A REASON, WHEN

YOU HAVE CERTAIN SPEED LIMITS, WHEN YOU HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS

THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE STOPLIGHTS, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, YOU HAVE TO

STOP, SAME EVERY DAY.

THE PUBLIC ALREADY HAS A LOT OF THINGS ON THEIR MIND.

WE'RE LIVING IN AN EXTREMELY FAST WORLD.

TO START CHANGING DAYS OF THE MONTH OR THE WEEK, VIOLATION

OF DECIBELS, I THINK WOULD NOT BE IN THE BEST PUBLIC

INTEREST.

THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

11:19:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, IS THERE A MOTION --

11:19:18 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO RECALL YOUR

ATTENTION TO THE SLIDE PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION FOR

ITEM NUMBER 2.

THE DATA THAT TPD HAS SHOWS THAT THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT

COMPLIANCE ISSUE BETWEEN MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

IT'S REALLY SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS THAT IT BECOMES AN ISSUE.

THERE'S CURRENTLY NO BREAKDOWN IN THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, AND

THAT'S WITH IT BEING JUST A BLANKET MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM

DECIBEL LEVELS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, THAT 85 TO 65 RANGE,




AND THE DATA SHOWS THAT THERE IS COMPLIANCE DURING THOSE

DAYS OF THE WEEK.

SO, AGAIN, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT PREDICTABLE AND

UNDERSTANDABLE ENFORCEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THE

CITIZENS, GIVEN THAT THERE'S NOT LACK OF COMPLIANCE DURING

THE WEEK AND ONLY ON THE WEEKENDS AND WITHOUT INSERTING

ADDITIONAL LAYERS AND ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THE ENFORCEMENT

PERSONNEL AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

JUST SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

11:20:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:20:30 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ECHO ON WHAT SUSAN IS SAYING.

RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A UNIFIED STANDARD FOR THE OUTDOOR

PLIFIED SOUND.

WE DID START WITH THE SUGGESTION OF MIDNIGHT.

THAT WAY YOU KNOW IT WHEN YOU SEE IT.

SOMEBODY PULLS UP AND IT'S 12:15 AND THERE'S OUTDOOR SOUND

HAPPENING, YOU CAN HEAR IT.

THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT PLAYING A GUITAR, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT,

OH, WHAT DAY IS IT?

OH, IT'S THURSDAY, THEY CAN STAY UNTIL 11 AND ON FRIDAY THEY

CAN STAY TILL MIDNIGHT.

I'LL DEFER TO THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, BUT WE WOULD SUGGEST

STARTING HERE.

ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS ONCE WE PUT THIS INTO EFFECT

TO BE MONITORING AND TO COME BACK TO YOU ON A BIANNUAL BASIS




TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW ARE WE DOING, WHAT ARE

THE CITATIONS AND ARE WE SEEING IMPROVEMENT?

IF WE ARE OR AREN'T, WE CAN MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

11:21:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

11:21:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU.

ABBYE AND SUSAN, GENERALLY I FAVOR WHAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION

IS AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE, CITYWIDE

STANDARD, I THINK IT'S A GOOD DIRECTION.

MY QUESTION PROBABLY -- WELL, TO BOTH OF YOU, BUT

SPECIFICALLY SUSAN, AS RELATED TO LEGAL, IS WHAT IF A BAR OR

A RESTAURANT HAS ALREADY BEEN GRANTED CERTAIN STATUS AS --

ON THE WET ZONING, LET'S SAY WE PUT ON THEIR ORDER THAT THEY

COULD HAVE MUSIC OUTDOORS UNTIL 1 A.M., AND THAT'S ALREADY

PART OF THEIR WET ZONING, AND THEN WE APPLY AND THEN WE

ADOPT A CITYWIDE STANDARD THAT SAYS NO OUTDOOR MUSIC AFTER

MIDNIGHT.

WHAT'S THE LEGAL EFFECT OF THAT AS RELATED TO THAT BAR THAT

ALREADY GOT A LONGER OR A LATER STANDARD FOR THEIR OUTDOOR

PLIFIED MUSIC?

11:22:32 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THIS --

TYPICALLY WHAT WE FIND WITH THE SITE PLANS FOR YOUR AB

PERMITS, COUNCIL TYPICALLY PROHIBITS OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND

ALTOGETHER, RATHER THAN SETTING SPECIFIC PARAMETERS IN TERMS

OF TIMEFRAMES.




YOU TYPICALLY PROHIBIT IT ALTOGETHER.

11:22:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE --

11:22:58 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OUR DESIRE IS TO GET SOME DIRECTION TODAY TO

BE ABLE TO HOLD A PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION IN JUNE AND

THEN TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THIS IN A FORMAT WITH CODE.

SO WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THOSE ABs IN THE INTERIM

AND SEE HOW MANY HAVE SOMETHING BEYOND MIDNIGHT.

I DO AGREE WITH SUSAN, IT'S TYPICALLY THAT IT'S PROHIBITED.

SO IT WOULD BE THE REVERSE SITUATION, AND I BELIEVE THAT

THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM THEN TO HAVE IT TILL MIDNIGHT.

EVEN THOUGH ON THE AB IT SAID IT WAS PROHIBITED.

11:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S FAIR.

JUST AS LONG AS WE LOOK AT THE ISSUE AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW

WHAT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATION IS IF THE AB PERMIT DIFFERS FROM

WHAT THE OVERALL STANDARD IS.

11:23:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

11:23:56 >>BILL CARLSON:
I RAN INTO MR. DANIELS ON THE WAY IN.

HE OBVIOUSLY IS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE HE'S BEEN COMING INTO

CITY COUNCIL APPARENTLY FOR YEARS, FOR AT LEAST THE LAST

YEAR THAT I'VE SEEN HIM.

AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE

DEMANDING THAT WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS.

I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR COMING UP WITH

THE ACTIONABLE ITEMS.

WE GET ACCUSED SOMETIMES FOR HAVING THINGS DRAG OUT FOREVER.




I'D LIKE THE PROPOSALS THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS GOTTEN.

THANK YOU FOR COMING UP WITH THEM.

11:24:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.

11:24:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
ONE OTHER RESPONSE I DID WANT TO ADD WHILE

WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.

LaCHONE DID LOOK FOR SOME OF THOSE GENERAL STANDARDS TO

ANSWER COUNCILMAN CITRO'S QUESTION OF WHAT IS 85?

WHAT IS 75?

WHAT IS 65?

SO 85 IS ROUGHLY THE EQUIVALENT OF A PASSING VEHICLE TRUCK.

75 IS A TOILET FLUSHING.

AND 60 IS LIKE CONVERSATIONAL SPEECH OR AIR CONDITIONING.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THOSE PARAMETERS AND COUNCIL PUT

IT INTO REGULAR TERMS SO YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. THAT'S A

START FOR YOU.

11:25:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. THEN I AM GOING TO

HAVE A FIELD DAY AT MY CONDOMINIUM WITH PEOPLE TALKING

OUTSIDE.

AS TO MRS. JOHNSON-VELEZ, AGAIN I DO GET CALLS.

BUT THE CITY IS EXPANDING AND GROWING AND THERE IS GOING TO

BE ZONING CHANGES AND ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

PUT UP IN CERTAIN AREAS.

I'M CONCERNED WITH THAT BLOCK OFF OF THESE PLACES, OR THE

TWO BLOCKS, WHERE AMPLIFIED -- ANY TYPE OF MUSIC IS GOING TO

BE HEARD, OR AS MS. FEELEY AND I WERE DISCUSSING, IT'S NOT




NECESSARILY AMPLIFIED MUSIC.

IF YOU HAVE 200 PEOPLE IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD, THAT'S GOING

TO BE A LOUD NOISE.

THE AREAS THAT MRS. JOHNSON-VELEZ WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE

HOWARD AVENUE, THE SOHO DISTRICT.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT GET OUT OF CONTROL.

AND I GET PEOPLE CALLING ME UP FROM ALL THE WAY FROM

BAYSHORE ALL THE WAY UP PAST KENNEDY.

NOW PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO TALK.

FLORIDA AVENUE, THE HEIGHTS.

I CAN'T LEAVE OUT TAMPA HEIGHTS.

I CAN'T LEAVE OUT SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE

TO LOOK AT.

AND NOW THERE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CALLING AND SAYING,

HEY, ARMATURE WORKS IS TOO LOUD AT NIGHT.

SO WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE

CITY IN WHICH WE NOW HAVE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE

CHANGING.

SO I AM JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE, MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ.

11:27:01 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CITRO.

I WILL REMIND YOU THAT ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY OUTSIDE

OF YBOR CITY AND THE REASON DISTRICT AS THEY ARE DEFINED IN

THE CODE ARE STILL SUBJECT TO PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARDS.

11:27:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
QUO WE LIKE LEGAL TO PROCEED WITH THIS?




I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT IT WAS SET TODAY.

11:27:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I AGREE.

11:27:38 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
WE DO HAVE A FEW MORE

RECOMMENDATIONS.

11:27:40 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
IF THERE IS RECOMMENDATION ONE, IT IS THAT

WE SHALL PROCEED WITH PREPARING THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET A FEEL FROM THE COUNCIL ON THAT.

11:27:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CAN WE GET A MOTION ON RECOMMENDATION

ONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS PRESENTED? WE HAVE A MOTION

BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

ALL IN FAVOR?

DO WE NEED A DATE TO COME BACK?

11:28:07 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE WILL DISCUSS THE DATES AT THE END.

WE DO HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK

ON YOUR AGENDA.

11:28:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE THEN.

11:28:19 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION RELATES TO

THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CODE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE TERMS THAT'S REFERENCED, WE HAVE

OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND, AS ABBEY SAID, REFERENCED IN

CHAPTER 27, BUT THERE'S NO UNIVERSAL DEFINITION CURRENTLY

ANYWHERE IN THE CODE.

SO WE WOULD PROPOSE ADDING DEFINITIONS REGARDING AMPLIFIED




SOUNDS SO THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS AND COMMON UNDERSTANDING

ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL MEANS WHEN THEY USE THAT TERM, AND WHAT

THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT TERM TO MEAN.

SO YOU WILL SEE WE PROPOSED TO ADD AMPLIFIED SOUND --

11:29:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
CAN WE GET THE TECHNICIAN TO PUT THE

RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SCREEN?

11:29:14 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

SCANNING THIS THING, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE LEGAL

DEPARTMENT, MS. VELEZ, FOR COMING OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S

LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE.

I THINK THE ONE THAT WE HAD, IT'S TOO WITH VAGUE, AND REALLY

GET TO THE POINT OF EXCEPTIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT TO MAKE

SURE IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE WHICH MRS. VELEZ IS DOING.

11:29:46 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
THANK YOU, SIR.

I WOULD ALSO CREDIT MS. FEELEY AND HER STAFF WHO WERE

INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING TO DEVELOP THESE.

AND COMING UP WITH THE BEST DEFINITION.

11:29:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.

WE CAN'T SEE IT, THE PRESENTATION.

IN THE BIG PART OF THE SCREEN.

THAT ONE, YES.

THANK YOU.

PERFECT.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

11:30:14 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
SO AMPLIFIED SOUND THEN, WE HAVE




DEFINED IN TERMS OF A SOUND THAT'S BEING AUGMENTED OR

PLIFIED THROUGH SOME SORT OF SOUND AMPLIFICATION DEVICE,

AND THEN WE PROPOSE ADDING A DEFINITION FOR SOUND

PLIFICATION DEVICE THAT INCLUDES IN THIS LAUNDRY LIST THAT

YOU SEE HERE AND INCLUDES THINGS THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY

THINK OF RADIOS, TVs, MICROPHONES, BUT ALSO TELEVISION

SETS, BECAUSE I KNOW JUST IN SITTING WITH COUNCIL, AND YOU

CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR AB PERMITS AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN

OUTDOOR PATIO AREA AND THEY WONDER IF A TELEVISION SET IS AN

PLIFICATION DEVICE SO WE ADDED THAT TO THE LAUNDRY LIST,

ANY AMPLIFIED EQUIPMENT OR SPEAKER.

SO AGAIN THIS MAKES IT VERY UNDERSTANDABLE FOR FOLKS WHO ARE

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND REVIEW, COUNCIL, WHAT IS MEANT BY A

DEVICE AND WHAT IS MEANT BY AMPLIFIED SOUND.

AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD A DEFINITION FOR THAT

SOUND LEVEL METER, THE DEFINITION METER THAT WE ARE USING IN

THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS SO AGAIN THERE IS A COMMON

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPE OF INSTRUMENT WE ARE USING AS

WELL, AND YOU WILL SEE WE DID TIE IT TO THE AMERICAN

NATIONAL STANDARDS INSTITUTES SPECIFICATIONS SO THAT WE

BELIEVE THAT WILL ALSO AID IN ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS.

AND THEN WE JUST HAVE A FEW EXAMPLES OF DEFINITIONS THAT WE

WOULD PROPOSE TO MODIFY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND AGAIN, THESE PROPOSALS FOR MODIFICATION ARE A RESULT OF




OUR REVIEW OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND HOW THEY HAVE DEFINED

THESE TERMS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER,

MORE UNDERSTANDABLE THAN THE DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY

IN THE CODE.

SO THESE THREE TERMS ARE CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE CODE, BUT

WE HAVE PROPOSED CHANGING THEM AS SHOWN HERE, SO THE

LANGUAGE THAT'S SHOWN THERE WITH THE LINE THROUGH IT IS

PROPOSED TO BE STRICKEN AND THEN THE UNDERLINED LANGUAGE

WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO THOSE DEFINITIONS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE.

AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT WE PROPOSE TO MODIFY WHEN WE DO

COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN ORDINANCE, AND THAT AGAIN WOULD BE

BASED ON OUR RESEARCH, BEST PRACTICES, AND OTHER AREAS AND

OTHER CITIES, AND WOO WE THINK MIGHT BE BEST APPLICABLE IN

AID AND ENFORCEMENT WITHIN OUR CITY.

11:32:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

11:32:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MOVE RECOMMENDATION 2.

11:32:45 >>BILL CARLSON:
I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THESE

MUFFLERS THAT ARE EITHER TAKEN OFF OR AMPLIFIED, AND I THINK

I REMEMBER THERE'S SOME KIND OF DEVICE THAT CAN AMPLIFY CAR

SOUNDS, MUFFLER SOUNDS.

CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A SEPARATE STATE LAW THAT WAS

REFERENCED EARLIER ABOUT MUFFLERS, IS IT NECESSARY TO

SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS ANY KIND OF AMPLIFICATION DEVICE THAT

WOULD BE USED ON CARS THAT WOULDN'T BE CONNECTED TO THE




RADIO?

11:33:19 >> SIMONE SAVINO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE IT.

I WILL REMIND COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC FLORIDA

STATUTES THAT DO REGULATE THAT AS IT STANDS, AND I KNOW THAT

THEY ARE CURRENTLY ENFORCED BY TPD.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY KEEP YOUR RECOMMENDATION UNDER

ADVISEMENT.

11:33:40 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.

11:33:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.

11:33:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CARLSON, I HAVE BEEN DOWN AT YBOR AND

I KNOW MOTORCYCLES ARE AN ISSUE AS WELL.

AND I KNOW IMPROPER START.

THAT'S AN ISSUE WHERE THEY ARE HOLDING THE GAS AND JERKING

OFF WITH THAT LOUD NOISE, VEHICLES AS WELL.

SO JUST WANTED, IMPROPER STARTS ARE ALSO A PART OF IT SO

LEGAL CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

11:34:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND JUST TO CLARIFY THINGS BEFORE I START

GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM MY FELLOW ROUGH RIDERS, CERTAIN

PARADES WILL BE EXEMPT, WON'T THEY?

11:34:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

11:34:28 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A WONDERFUL GASPARILLA

PARADE, KNIGHT PARADE, SAINT PADDY'S PARADE, IF WE CANNOT

HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR SPEAKER TALK.

11:34:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
OR CANNON BLASTS.




11:34:46 >> I AM BEING FACETIOUS, OF COURSE.

11:34:49 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SPECIAL EVENTS ARE...

11:34:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, MS. FEELEY.

11:34:58 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THOSE THAT HELD AND CONDUCTED PRIOR TO

MIDNIGHT, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

11:35:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD A MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

11:35:12 >>BILL CARLSON:
MY SECOND COMMENT.

ONE OTHER THING.

YOU ALL MENTIONED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EARLIER THAT YOU WOULD

TAKE THESE AND GIVE TO THE PUBLIC, AND I ASSUME THAT TWO OF

THE MAIN AUDIENCES ARE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WHO CAN BRING

TOGETHER THEIR CONSTITUENTS, AND THEN PROBABLY ALSO YOU

WOULD BE TALKING TO BAR OWNERS OR OTHER OWNERS OF THE

FACILITY.

A THIRD AUDIENCE IS PEOPLE THAT WOULD GO TO THESE

ESTABLISHMENTS AND HAVING SEEN OTHER CITIES AND COUNTRIES

STRENGTHEN POLICIES LIKE THIS, WE COULD EASILY GET

CRITICIZED FOR NOT BEING OPEN TO ALLOWING YOUNG PEOPLE TO

HAVE FUN.

AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE FIGURE OUT SOME WAY TO TALK TO

THAT GROUP AND ADDRESS THEM, AND SOME EASY WAYS TO DO THAT

WOULD BE GOING TO EMERGING LEADERS AT TAMPA CHAMBER AND

MAYBE YOUNG DEMOCRATS, YOUNG REPUBLICANS, AND THERE MAY BE

OTHERS.




BUT JUST SO SOME OF THE THOUGHT LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY WHO

ARE IN THEIR 20s WOULD KNOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO LIMIT

THEIR ABILITY TO ENJOY THEMSELVES, IT'S JUST GOING TO

PROTECT THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THEM AND PEOPLE TRAVELLING

THROUGH THE SOUND.

THANK YOU.

11:36:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAD A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

11:36:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SECOND.

11:36:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MOVE

FORWARD.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE GO TO RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 3.

11:36:37 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 3, AND YOU HAVE

MENTIONED THIS NOW A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES, AND DID A

WONDERFUL JOB TO THE SECTION 14-153 AND 154, AND HOW 153 IN

THE AREA, YBOR, AND -- OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS NOT

SPECIFICALLY CALL THEM OUT ANY LONGER BUT THEY WOULD THEN

BE -- 154 WHICH WOULD BE A PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD.

THAT MEANS THEY WOULD HAVE UNTIL MIDNIGHT, THE OUTDOOR

PLIFIED SOUND, AND THEN ANY PLAINLY AUDIBLE WOULD THEN BE




ENFORCEABLE MECHANISM FOR THAT AREA.

WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE TRANSFORMATION OF CHANNELSIDE IS

THE PROPORTION OF -- HAS EMERGED AS A MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL

AREA THAT NO LONGER KIND OF FALLS INTO THAT 153 REALM

ANYMORE, SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GO AHEAD AND USE THAT

OUT OF THOSE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.

11:37:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
[OFF MICROPHONE]

11:38:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

MS. FEELEY, AGAIN I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA IN THE RIGHT

DIRECTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO YET, BUT BEFORE YOU

COME BACK TO US NEXT TIME, I'M CONFIDENT YOU WILL MEET WITH

THE CHANNELSIDE.

I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS FROM

CHANNELSIDE, THE CAC, AND THEN SOME OTHER CHANNELSIDE GROUP

SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY LIKE THAT DIRECTION THAT WE ARE

HEADED.

I IMAGINE THEY PROBABLY WILL.

11:38:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES, SECOND

FROM CARLSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

ALL RIGHT.

RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 4.

11:38:44 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 4 --




11:38:56 >> SIMONE SAVINO, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, A SECTION

14.159 GUIDES ENFORCEMENT CURRENTLY FOR OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.

AND IT PROVIDES FOR A FIVE-MINUTE WARNING BEFORE ANY

ENFORCEMENT IS UNDERTAKEN UNDER SECTION 14-153 AND SECTION

14-154.

WHAT THIS MEANS SPECIFICALLY IS THAT ANYONE WHO IS VIOLATING

THE NOISE ORDINANCE, IN THOSE AREAS, COULD BE WARNED, THAT A

CIVIL CITATION WILL BE ISSUED IF THEY FAIL TO BRING

THEMSELVES INTO COMPLIANCE WITHIN FIVE MINUTES AND FAIL TO

REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE FOR 48 HOURS.

SO ESSENTIALLY THIS FIVE-MINUTE WARNING IS CURRENTLY IN

PLACE TO ALLOW PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY, BUT IT LASTS

FOR SUCH A LONG TIME, IT PROHIBITS ENFORCEMENT AT PRESENT,

BECAUSE AFTER THAT 48-HOUR PERIOD, LIKELY AN ESTABLISHMENT

HAS NOT BEEN CITED FOR AN ACTUAL SOUND VIOLATION.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT WOULD BE TO ELIMINATE

THE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING THAT IS A PART OF SECTION 14-153 AND

154, AND THEREFORE THE RESULT WOULD BE THAT BUSINESS

ESTABLISHMENT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE STANDARD SET FORTH, A

VIOLATION MAY BE ISSUED WITHOUT THAT WARNING.

11:40:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

PRETTY CUT AND DRIED AS WELL.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS RECOMMENDATION?




11:40:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
SO MOVED.

11:40:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

ALL RIGHT.

AND RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 5.

11:40:43 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER 5, WE WOULD LIKE TO

PROCEED WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE ORDINANCE INCORPORATING

THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU REVIEWED AND GAVE US YOUR

DIRECTION ON THIS MORNING.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, YES, WE WOULD BE HOLDING PUBLIC

INFORMATION SESSIONS.

WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THOSE.

LACHONE IS GOING TO BE SETTING THOSE UP AND NOTICE TO BE

GOING OUT IN OUR WEBSITE.

WE LOOK TO DO THOSE IN JUNE AND/OR JULY DEPENDING ON THE

NUMBER.

I DID WRITE DOWN THE SUGGESTIONS WE COVERED THIS MORNING.

AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME BACK TO YOU IN

AUGUST WITH THOSE ORDINANCES, READY TO GO, WITH INFORMATION

SESSIONS HAVING BEEN CONDUCTED, AND THEN ALSO ONE ITEM, IF

YOU DO COME BACK IN AUGUST, THE QUESTION THEN WOULD BE WHAT

WOULD BE THE EFFECTIVE DATE YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT?

I THINK WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT AS WELL IN THE ORDINANCE.




AND THEN THE LAST WOULD BE MONITORING, AS WE DISCUSSED THIS

MORNING, AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 1 OR JANUARY 1.

WE WOULD START MONITORING, REPORTING BACK TO YOU, THOSE

NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE THIS MORNING, THE CITATIONS, AND ALSO

THE CALLS FOR SERVICE.

WE WOULD BE COME BACK TO YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT THE PROGRESS

OF THESE NEW REGULATIONS WOULD BE HAVING, OR IF THEY ARE NOT

MAKING ANY IMPACT AT ALL, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT BOTH SIDE OF THE

EQUATION.

AND THEN LASTLY WOULD BE IN THAT FIRST SIX MONTHS OF

MONITORING, WHETHER THERE WOULD BE BENEFIT IN LOOKING AT

INCORPORATING SOME OF THE AREAS COUNCILMAN CITRO DISCUSSED

THIS MORNING, WHICH IS THE HOWARD AVENUE, FLORIDA AVENUE,

AND THOSE ARE INCUMBENT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS MIXED

USE CORRIDORS, AND ALSO URBAN VILLAGES.

BUT AS SUSAN MENTIONED, MANY OF THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE

CURRENTLY CALLED OUT UNDER THOSE ENTERTAINMENT, THEY DO HAVE

CLEAR BOUNDARIES AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS THAT TRAVEL WITH

THEM.

AND I THINK ONE OF OUR MAIN OBJECTIVES TODAY WAS TO START

WITH STANDARDS THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND PREDICTABLE, NOW

IT WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU PULL UP AND YOU HEAR IT.

SO THAT SECOND LEVEL WOULD BE TO THEN LOOK AT THOSE OTHER

AREAS AND TO START WITH IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS

THAT WERE PUT BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING.




11:43:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I BELIEVE YOU

HAD YOUR HAND UP, SIR.

11:43:43 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

I LIKE THE DIRECTION WE ARE GOING.

I APPRECIATE IT, ABBEY AND SUSAN.

THE QUESTION HAS COME UP -- AND I THINK IT WAS RELATED TO

ONE PART OF THIS MOTION -- WAS THAT CURRENTLY WHEN SOMEBODY

COMES IN FOR AN AB PERMIT, IF WE WANT TO IMPOSE HOURS OF

OPERATION OR LIMITATION ON AMPLIFIED SOUND, ET CETERA, WE

HAVE TO MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION.

SO THE BURDEN IS SORT OF ON COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT HEADS-UP.

AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS TO

SAY WHY IS THAT BURDEN LIKE THAT ON COUNCIL?

IN MY OPINION PERHAPS THE BURDEN SHOULD BE FLIPPED, AND I

THINK MAYBE IT USED TO BE FLIPPED, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A

STANDARD, AND LOOKS LIKE ON NOISE, WE DO HAVE A STANDARD,

BUT I THINK ON HOURS OF OPERATION, WE SHOULD HAVE A STANDARD

LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO GET, OURS OF OPERATION

FOR A RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, WEEKDAYS, 11:00, WEEKENDS, YOU

KNOW, 12 OR 1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AS A STANDARD.

AND THEN IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DIVERGE FROM THAT

STANDARD, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT AS A WAIVER

AND REQUEST THAT AS A WAIVER, SO THE DEFAULT POSITION WOULD

BE A CERTAIN STANDARD THAT WOULD BE APPLIED TO ALL AB

PERMITS THAT COME IN.




AND --

11:45:26 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACED IN

LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE REALLY

CONDITIONS THAT ARE PART OF LIMITING IMPACT OF THE BUSINESS,

SUCH AS NOISE.

SO WE CAME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION TODAY TO START LOOKING

AT THIS CITY-WIDE VERSUS LOOKING AT IT ON AN OPERATION BY

OPERATION BASIS.

SO EVEN IF WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THAT ARE COMING IN FOR

PERMISSION TO SELL ALCOHOL, WE ARE NOT CAPTURING THOSE THAT

DO NOT SELL ALCOHOL.

SO McDONALD'S, CHICK FIL-A, IF THEY HAVE OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED

SOUND, AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHEN IT'S LOCATED NEXT TO A HOUSE,

THE IMPACT IS THE SAME AND THERE'S NO CONTROL BECAUSE THEY

ARE NEVER COMING IN FOR AN ALCOHOL APPLICATION.

SO WE STARTED TODAY AT THE FIRST LEVEL.

WE CAN LOOK AT HOURS OF OPERATION WHICH ARE NOT FOR EVERY

APPLICATION.

THEY ARE ONLY FOR SOME OF THEM.

11:46:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
RIGHT.

11:46:28 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AND THEN THE DISTANCE SEPARATION IS ANOTHER

CRITERIA, BUT AGAIN IT APPEARS THE DISTANCE SEPARATION IS

REALLY PUT IN TO TRY TO LIMIT IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT

PREDOMINANTLY NOISE.

11:46:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND I THINK LIKE I SAID AT THE




BEGINNING, I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB ON THE NOISE

ISSUE.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE AB PERMITS.

AND I AM NOT -- YOU KNOW, SO SOMEBODY HAS, RIGHT NOW, ANY

ESTABLISHMENT THAT COMES IN WITHIN THE URBAN VILLAGES, FOR

SOME REASON, AT SOME POINT IN THE LAST X NUMBER OF YEARS, WE

HAVE ELIMINATED THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL.

SO YOU COULD HAVE A -- IN THE URBAN VILLAGE YOU COULD HAVE A

RESTAURANT THAT COMES IN FOR AB PERMIT, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT

TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.

WITHOUT ANY DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT CAME IN.

I HAVE A FEELING IT WAS PROBABLY IN THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT

YEARS BECAUSE I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THAT PREVIOUSLY.

BUT I THINK THAT AGAIN, I THINK IT CREATES BAD SITUATIONS

RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.

FOR SOME REASON, I MEAN, AND I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD CREATE

AN EXCEPTION FOR YBOR CITY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT

DISTRICT, BUT I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE WE CALL SOMETHING

AN URBAN VILLAGE, AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, WE HAVE SEEN THIS ON

MANY OCCASIONS, ALL OF HE'S A EAST TAMPA IS AN URBAN

VILLAGE, OKAY.

AND THEREFORE ARE WE SORT OF SAYING THAT WE WANT TO

ENCOURAGE RESTAURANTS RIGHT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO

RESIDENTIAL HOMES, IN ALL OF THESE URBAN VILLAGES, DAVIS




ISLAND, WEST TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, ET CETERA?

SO THAT CONCERNS ME GREATLY, AS SOMEHOW OR OOH OTHER WE HAVE

DRIFTED INTO THIS ELIMINATION OF A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT

FROM RESIDENTIAL IN THOSE URBAN VILLAGES.

AND THEN SECONDARILY, I DO BELIEVE IN TERMS OF JUST OVERALL

HOURS OF OPERATION, NOT NOISE, I THINK YOU HAVE DONE A GOOD

JOB ON NOISE, BUT OVERALL HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WE SHOULD

HAVE A STANDARD FOR ANYBODY WHO IS COMING IN WITH AN AB

PERMIT, WE SHOULD HAVE A STANDARD AND SAY THESE ARE THE

HOURS OF OPERATION.

IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOUR BUSINESS OPERATES

OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS, THEN YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE WAIVER.

AGAIN, WORKSHOP IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BANG THIS AROUND.

11:49:08 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ:
LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THERE ARE CURRENTLY HOURS OF

OPERATION THAT ARE STABBED IN CHAPTER 14.

11:49:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT THEY ARE 3 IN THE MORNING.

I MEAN, I HEAR YOU, SUSAN.

IT'S 3 IN THE MORNING.

THAT'S NOT A LIMITATION.

11:49:28 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YOU HAVE TO -- SOMETIME.

11:49:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN AB WORKSHOP COMING

UP, CORRECT?

11:49:43 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO.

11:49:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
OKAY.




BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT MR. DINGFELDER IS SAYING.

WHEN I LOOK AT EAST TAMPA, THE LIQUOR STORES RIGHT INSIDE OF

A COMMUNITY.

11:49:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AND RESTAURANTS.

11:50:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
LIQUOR STORES, THEY BRING UP BLIGHT, YOU

CAN'T FIND THEM.

AND I DRIVE AROUND THE CITY, AND I DON'T SEE THEM IN ANYBODY

ELSE'S COMMUNITY, BUT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME.

LIKE I SAY, AS A POLICEMAN, I GO TO WORK FIVE IN THE

MORNING, FOLKS BE STANDING AROUND WAITING FOR I CALL IT

THEIR MEDICINE, FOR THEM TO OPEN UP.

THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME HAVING THEY HAVE THESE LIQUOR STORES

RIGHT INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO CHANGE.

RIGHT INSIDE OF COMMUNITIES, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

IT'S BEEN FOR YEARS.

AND THAT'S A WAY OF GETTING RID OF SOME OF OUR SLUM AND

BLIGHT BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE A LIQUOR STORE, I CAN GO

RIGHT TO 22ND, RIGHT THERE, AND 23rd STREET, AND YOU

HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S KIND OF TURNED INTO A LITTLE -- A LITTLE

PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER WITH LOUD MUSIC AND A LIQUOR

STORE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, AND THE POLICE HAVE A HARD TIME

CONTROLLING THAT AREA BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OPEN LIQUOR STORE,

AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE FUTURE, PUT A STOP TO THAT.




PUT A STOP TO THAT.

AND WHEN THOSE STORES CLOSE OR GO OUT, THAT'S A DONE DEAL

WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS A PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY.

11:51:31 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
COUNCILMAN GUDES, IF I CAN JUST RESPOND, AS

YOU SAW THIS MORNING, THE NOISE -- THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO

TAKE THE FIRST INITIAL CASES AND CHUNK IT OUT A LITTLE BIT

IN CONVERSATION.

SO WE CAN LOOK TO COME BACK AND STILL HAVE THE HOURS OF

OPERATION DISCUSSION.

WE CAN STILL HAVE THAT DISTANCE SEPARATION DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANT TO SAY IN MY TIME AWAY FROM THE CITY, I HAD THE

PLEASURE OF BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH A LOT OF LIQUOR STORES

AND I DID A LOT OF LIQUOR RESEARCH THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF

FLORIDA, AND THERE ARE SOME VERY STRINGENT REGULATIONS FOR

DISTANCE SEPARATION IN RELATION TO LIQUOR STORES, THAT WE

CAN BRING BACK SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES TO YOU AS WELL AS THAT

WORKSHOP DISCUSSION.

THE THING IS, I DO WANT TO TRY TO KEEP SEVERAL OF THESE TEXT

ENDMENTS MOVING FORWARD FOR YOU ALL, SO I DON'T WANT TO

KEEP INTRODUCING NEW -- WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT

WORKSHOP.

I WOULD ASK FOR A MINIMUM OF 60 TO 90 DAYS TO PREPARE THAT,

BRING IT BACK FOR YOU, AND I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ALL THE

DISCUSSION, BUT I AM TRYING TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD ON

DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THIS AND SELECTIVELY WORKING TOWARD A




SOLUTION.

11:52:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
YOU CAN BRING THAT BACK.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE

NOW.

THAT'S WHY WE WANT THAT.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.

SO TO BRING THAT BACK, THAT WILL BE FINE, BECAUSE THAT'S

SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP SOME

OF THE SLUM AND BLIGHT IN SOME OF THESE MARGINALIZED

COMMUNITIES.

THOSE ARE ISSUES, AND THEY ARE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THESE

COMMUNITIES.

IT JUST BRINGS ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, BRINGS ON ADDICTION,

AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE

IT'S A LOT OF THE ISSUES.

11:53:36 >>BILL CARLSON:
IT MAY BE DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT

ANOTHER THING IS, IN ADDITION TO THE SEPARATION

REQUIREMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE A RULE

THAT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS THE CREATION OF BAR DISTRICTS.

I REMEMBER IN THE 80s, BASICALLY IN THE 80s, THERE WERE

TWO OR THREE BARS ALONG HOWARD AVENUE, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW

IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS JOHN AGLY STARTED OPENING RESTAURANTS,

AND HE HAD A VISION TO TURN THESE OFFICES UP AND DOWN HOWARD

INTO RESTAURANTS, AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE BUILT ON HIS

CREATIONS TO CREATE NEW IDEAS AND IT TURNED INTO A




RESTAURANT DISTRICT.

THEN I WAS ON THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD

ASSOCIATION BOARD WHEN THAT DISTRICT CONVERTED FROM SOUTH

HOWARD TO SOHO, AND I OBJECTED TO THAT FOR MANY REASONS.

ONE IS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD COPY LONDON, WE SHOULDN'T

COPY OTHER CITIES, WE SHOULD CREATE OUR OWN.

BUT IT CONVERTED IT TO A BAR DISTRICT INSTEAD OF A

RESTAURANT DISTRICT OR A DISTRICT WITH AMENITIES.

AND BEFORE I BECAME A COUNCILMEMBER I HEARD THOUSANDS OF

COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT AREA.

THERE ARE TWO ISSUES.

ONE, THE CONCENTRATION OF BARS THAT WERE LOUD, AND NUMBER

TWO, RESTAURANTS THAT THEN BECOME BARS.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES IN THE PAST,

BUT I WISH WE COULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIMIT THOSE.

IF A RESTAURANT IS OPERATING, HOW DOES IT THEN BECOME A BAR

WITH LOUD NOISE LASTING UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING?

THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT MOVE NEAR THERE.

IF YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOUD BAR DISTRICT, IF YOU MOVE

NEXT TO IT, THEN THAT'S YOUR FAULT.

BUT THERE ARE TWO OR THREE BARS ALONG THAT DISTRICT AND THEY

WERE RESTAURANTS, AND THEN THE RESTAURANTS BECAME A BAR

DISTRICT.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE NEIGHBORS INVESTED IN.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM TO BE ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.




THANK YOU.

11:55:30 >>LUIS VIERA:
AND IF I MAY.

11:55:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.

11:55:33 >>LUIS VIERA:
PARDON ME, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

I HAVE TO GET A COVID SHOT SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET

THERE EARLY IN LINE SO PLEASE PARDON ME.

11:55:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WE ARE ALL FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN VIERA.

MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN ADDRESS THAT, I

APPRECIATE ABBEY, IF YOU CAN, BRING IT BACK IN 90 DAYS.

IT'S NOT ONLY A DISTANCE SEPARATION TO THE NEAREST RESIDENCE

BUT ALSO A DISTANCE SEPARATION FROM OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS,

AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU AT LEAST TRY AND LIMIT, YOU

KNOW, THE CREATION OF SORT OF AD HOC CREATION OF THOSE

BUSINESSES, THOSE SORT OF DRINKING DISTRICTS, BECAUSE IT

USED TO BE THAT -- I THINK THERE WAS A 250-FOOT SEPARATION

BETWEEN AB USES.

NOW, SOME PLACES THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

YBOR CITY, YOU KNOW, SIDE BY SIDE ON 7th AVENUE.

BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN -- AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT NORTH

ARMENIA.

ALL OF A SUDDEN ON NORTH ARMENIA YOU HAVE GOT NICE

RESTAURANTS, BUT THEN PRETTY SOON THOSE RESTAURANTS GET

MUSIC, THE RESTAURANTS GET LIQUOR, THOSE RESTAURANTS BECOME

MORE CLUBBY, AND THEN THEY START PROLIFERATING.

AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT IMPACTS ADJACENT TO THEM.




SO AGAIN, DISTANCE SEPARATION, ABBEY, NOT ONLY TO ADJACENT

RESIDENTIAL, BUT TO EACH OTHER.

THANK YOU.

11:57:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, 250, IF WE HAD GONE

BY THAT, HALF THE BARS IN TAMPA WOULD BE CLOSED DOWN.

11:57:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YES.

11:57:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I BELIEVE THERE IS A WAIVER FOR EVERY AB

APPLICANT THAT COMES IN, AND THE FIRST WAIVER IS LESS THAN

250-FOOT SEPARATION.

AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAY, BUT IF WE WOULD START THAT WE WOULD

HAVE TO TURN EVERY OTHER BAR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU HAVE

GOT TO CLOSE DOWN.

11:57:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CAN'T DO IT AFTER THE FACT, OBVIOUSLY.

11:57:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT, AGAIN, AB SALES, WHENEVER WE HEAR THEM, IT'S CASE BY

CASE BY CASE BY CASE.

IF WE DO A BROAD BRUSH, AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT CLOSING

HALF THE BARS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:58:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MS. FEELEY, WHAT DO YOU NEED?

DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR US TO COME BACK, OR WHEN TO COME

BACK?

JULY?

11:58:09 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP IN

JUNE AND JULY.




WE HAVE A COUPLE OF TEXT AMENDMENTS AND WE ARE WORKING

TOWARDS COUNCIL'S' DIRECTION, SET UP A PUBLIC INFORMATION

SESSION, USING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIAISON AND ALL TAMPA CARES,

AND PUBLIC GROUPS THAT WERE MENTIONED TODAY.

SO WE WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK IN AUGUST.

MAYBE YOUR SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.

UNLESS YOU FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE WORKSHOPPED AGAIN, WE WOULD

COME BACK FOR FIRST READING.

WE WOULD GIVE YOU A REPORT ON THE INFORMATION SESSIONS WE

HELD, AND THEN IF THERE WERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR

ALTERATIONS TO WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO YOU

TODAY, WE WOULD DISCUSS THOSE WITH YOU AT THAT TIME, AND

PREPARE TO GO FORWARD, IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

11:59:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND THAT'S ALSO AUGUST, IN REFERENCE TO

THE LIQUOR STORES INSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL?

11:59:08 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND SET A

SEPARATE WORKSHOP.

IF JULY WOULD BE AN I COULD WORKSHOP, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE ARE RUNNING ALL OF THESE -- I

WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THOROUGH PROVISIONS SO

THAT YOU COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

11:59:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE DON'T HAVE A WORKSHOP IN JULY.

WE HAVE A WORKSHOP --

11:59:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE, MR. CHAIR.

AND THAT'S FOR THE DISTANCE SEPARATION?




HOW DO YOU WANT TO WORD THE MOTION?

MAYBE MS. FEELEY CAN HELP IN REGARD TO THE URBAN VILLAGES?

11:59:52 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
DISCUSSION ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND

THE DISTANCE SEPARATION FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE PERMIT.

11:59:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL?

12:00:05 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SURE.

ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, OR -- THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT BOTH WAYS FOR YOU.

12:00:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
DO YOU WANT A MOTION FOR SEPTEMBER

23rd WORKSHOP?

12:00:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WILL BE FINE.

12:00:17 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
8:30.

MOTION BY GUDES, SECOND BY CITRO.

12:00:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
KEEP IT AS BROAD AS POSSIBLE.

12:00:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYTHING ELSE, MS. FEELEY?

12:00:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE OTHER -- I'M

SORRY.

QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE PREVIOUS, OF THE

RECOMMENDATIONS.

DO YOU WANT THE NEXT STEPS TO COME BACK, YOU SAY, IN AUGUST?

12:00:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST WHICH

WILL BE AUGUST 26th.

12:00:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WOULD BE A STAFF REPORT.

12:00:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES, SIR.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.




DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ALL RIGHT.

THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 3, YES?

12:00:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
ARE WE FINISHED WITH MS. FEELEY AND MS.

VELEZ?

12:01:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 3.

12:01:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

I AM LIKING THE WAY THIS IS GOING.

MR. CHAIR, FOR TWO YEARS PRIOR TO WHEN I WAS ELECTED, I

WOULD SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND SOME PEOPLE CALLED ME THE

8th COUNCIL PERSON.

AND I WOULD OFTEN HEAR COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN SPEAK ON THIS

SUBJECT.

COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN, I HOPE THAT THIS IS MOVING YOUR IDEA

FORWARD.

I HEARD IT, AND NOW WE ARE TAKING ACTION.

SO HOPEFULLY YOU LIKE THIS IDEA, COUNCILWOMAN CAPIN.

12:01:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE WE BREAK FOR LUNCH, I JUST WANT

TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT FOR THIS EVENING, COUNCIL

MEETING, WE HAVE 5:01 ON THE CALENDAR.

THAT IS NOT CORRECT.

WE ARE GOING TO START THE MEETING AT 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT.

WE ARE GOING TO UPDATE THE WEBSITE SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS.




WE ARE GOING TO PUT A SIGN ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR ANYBODY

THAT COMES IN EARLY.

BUT WE WILL BEGIN AT 6:00 P.M. AND NOT 5:00 FOR THE

LISTENING PUBLIC AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT WILL BE ATTENDING.

DISREGARD 5:01 P.M.

WE WILL BE BACK AT 6:00 P.M. FOR THAT.

THAT DOES NOT CONCLUDE THIS WORKSHOP.

WE ARE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH UNTIL 1:30 AND THEN PICK UP

WITH ITEMS NUMBER 4 AND 5.

WE ARE IN RECESS.

12:02:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
YOU DON'T NEED US HERE AT FIVE?

12:02:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
NO, NO.

6:00.

12:02:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
WE'LL MAKE SURE NOTICES ARE ON THE DOORS

AND SECOND FLOOR AS WELL.

12:02:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL MAKE IT AS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

(MEETING IN RECESS)



(TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RECONVENES)

[SOUNDING GAVEL]

13:36:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

I CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

13:36:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HERE.

13:36:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
HERE.

13:36:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HERE.

13:36:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
HERE.

13:36:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
HERE.

13:36:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HERE.

13:36:29 >>THE CLERK:
WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

13:36:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE GOING TO START BACK UP WITH ITEM NUMBER 4.

WE SHOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION

ON.

I DO SEE ONE.

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

WE HAVE MR. GOERS, HAY AND COLLINS.

13:36:56 >> THIS IS SHAWN COLLEGE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO

PRESENT THIS ITEM.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL

RESEARCH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A BRIEF REPORT ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT IN

THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, BEST PRACTICES POLICY

ANALYSIS.

I'M HERE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT REPORT.

THIS IS KIND OF A QUICK, SHORT REPORT, MEANT TO BE KIND OF A

FIRST STARTING POINT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES

ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THE HIGH HAZARD AREA.

THE CITY IS ABOUT TO EMBARK ON A BROADER MORE DETAILED STUDY

WITH HAZARD MITIGATION AND HIGH HAZARD AREA.




THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT TO FEED INTO THAT STUDY.

IF I CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY SCREEN.

I CAN DO THAT AND START MY BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU.

13:37:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE SEE THE SCREEN.

GO AHEAD.

13:37:56 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

SO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY

SUSCEPTIBLE TO COASTAL FLOODING FROM STORAGE SURGE EVENT

DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTES AS AREA BELOW THE ELEVATION OF

THE CATEGORY ONE STORM SURGE LINE AS ESTABLISHED BY THE SEA

LAKE AND OVERLAND COMPUTERIZED STORM SURGE MODEL, THREE

TIMES SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND THE MOST RECENT UPDATE IN 2016

SIGNIFICANTLY BROADENED THE AREA WE NOW KNOW AS BEING

VULNERABLE FOR STORM SURGE IN A CATEGORY ONE STORM.

THE REPORT GAVE SOME DEMOGRAPHICS TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING

WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

IN 2010 THE TOTAL POPULATION IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA WILL

CREASED BY 12.8% TO 67,000 PLUS.

AND THE CITY OF TAMPA THE GROWTH RATE WAS 21.5% WITH A

CURRENTS POPULATION OF 55,672.

DURING THAT SAME TIME THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS LOCATED IN

THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA INCREASED AS WELL, IN

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THE NUMBER GREW BY 7.4%, AND THEN TAMPA

BY 17.5 PERCENT, OVER 25.5 THOUSAND HOUSING UNITS IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.




THE SLIDE I AM SHOWING YOU NOW ON THE RIGHT, THE GREEN IS

THE CURRENT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF

YOUR SCREEN.

ON THE LEFT WAS THE PREVIOUS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION AS TO

WHAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE THE VULNERABLE AREA THROUGH

MODELING.

WE DO EXPECT ANOTHER UPDATE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO WHETHER OR NOT STAFF WOULD

RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF A LAND USE INCREASE IN

DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

THE SLIDE IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST AND IS ONLY MEANT TO

HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE EXISTING POLICY LANGUAGE THAT WE DEAL

WITH.

COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVE 1.1, DIRECT FUTURE POPULATION

CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO

ACHIEVE A NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY

WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

HOWEVER THE DEFINITION OF INCREASE IS UNCLEAR AS TO THE

POINT IN TIME WHICH DENSITIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAPPED IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IS NOT BEING TRACKED.

IT IS ALSO UNCLEAR IF THIS IS IMPLEMENTED ON A

PROJECT-BY-PROJECT BASIS OR SOME OTHER LEVEL.

CONSEQUENTLY THE NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL




DENSITY OBJECTIVE HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT.

POLICIES 1.1.6 AND 1.2.2 LIMIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO SPECIFIC USES ON THE FUTURE LAND

USE MAP AND BASED ON THE ABILITY OF AN APPLICANT TO MITIGATE

THE IMPACT ON SHELTER SPACE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

BETWEEN 2001 -- EXCUSE ME.

LET ME GET BACK TO THE RIGHT SLIDE HERE.

BETWEEN 2001 AND 2020, 89 PLAN AMENDMENTS WERE REQUESTED IN

THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR PROPERTIES EITHER PARTIALLY OR

ENTIRELY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOMMENDED A FINDING OF

CONSISTENCY OF 73 OF THE 89 CASES.

THOSE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A LOWER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL

DENSITY, OR THE PROPOSAL WAS TO REPLACE RESIDENTIAL WITH

INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL.

16 OF THE CASES OF THE APPLICATIONS WERE FOUND BY STAFF TO

BE INCONSISTENT OR WERE SUBSEQUENTLY WITHDRAWN DUE TO

STAFF'S FINDING THAT THEY WOULD INCREASE RESIDENTIAL

DENSITIES IF THEY WENT FORWARD.

NOW, OF ALL THE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED, 72 WERE APPROVED BY

CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WERE SEVEN INSTANCES IN WHICH CITY

COUNCIL DIFFERED FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF

INCONSISTENCY AND DID APPROVE THE APPLICATION.

ACCORDING TO STAFF IN THIS REVIEW, THE REAL PLAN AMENDMENT

REQUESTS BY STAFF IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS NOT




ENTIRELY CLEAR, AND IS ESTIMATION INCONSISTENT, AND MAY NOT

BE A REALLY PREDICTABLE PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT

COMMUNITY.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY SOME

IMPROVEMENTS WITH MORE CLEAR POLICY.

AN ANALYSIS OF BEST PRACTICES, EXAMPLES OF HOW DIFFERENT

JURISDICTIONS DEAL WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA DENSITY

ISSUE, THERE WAS A REPORT DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC

OPPORTUNITIES, AND IT FOUND THAT MANY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN

THE STATE HAVE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT LIMIT OR

RESTRICT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY, RESIDENTIAL

DENSITY, IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IN MANY

DIFFERENT WAYS.

THEY ALSO LIMIT OR REGULATE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED

IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND SOME ESTABLISH SPECIAL

BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.

NOW, I WANT TO PAUSE HERE AND MENTION WHAT WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT LARGELY IS RESTRICTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND

USE DENSITY CATEGORIES.

WE ARE GENERALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING.

THIS IS USUALLY AND GENERALLY THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN TO DEAL

WITH THESE TYPES OF ISSUES NO LAND USE CATEGORY AS DENSITY

LIMITATION.

SO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THE STATE WITH SOME OF THESE

DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL AND KNOWLEDGE




BASED FOR WHAT TAMPA COULD POTENTIALLY DO IN THE FUTURE?

ONE EXAMPLE IS THE CITY OF TITUSVILLE RESTRICTED DENSITY IN

THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

ST. PETERSBURG USED TO INCREASE AND NOW INCLUDE DENSITY

LIMITS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

HALF OF THE JURISDICTIONS REVIEWED HAVE SPECIFIC LIMIT FOR

RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

THIS CAN RANGE FROM ONE, IN HERNANDO COUNTY, OR UP TO LIKE

SIX DWELLINGS PER GROWTH ACRE IN THE CITY OF BRADENTON.

THE CITY OF PALMETTO USES AN AVERAGING FORMULA FOR PORTIONS

OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES WITHIN A DENSITY

ABOVE 6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT ARE LOAD DATED IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

THAT'S JUST ANOTHER DIFFERING METHOD THAT THE JURISDICTION

USES.

THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, FOR EXAMPLE, ASSIGNED EACH FUTURE

LAND USE CATEGORY FOUND IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITH

SPECIFIC DENSITY MAXIMUMS RANGING FROM 15 DWELLING UNITS FOR

LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO 60 DWELLING UNITS FOR HIGH

DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IS TO APPLY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES

THAT ALIGN WITH EXISTING DENSITY.

ON THE GROUND.

THE CITY OF NEW PORT RICHEY ALLOWS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITH DENSITIES NOT TO EXCEED THOSE




ALLOWED UNDER THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY

GENERALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EXISTING DENSITIES ON THE

GROUND.

METHOD 6 COMES IN FROM THE CITY OF CLEARWATER AND THE CITY

OF ST. PETERSBURG.

THOSE CITIES USE BALANCING CRITERIA TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR

DENSITY INCREASES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE WEIGHTED AS MANDATORY MINIMUM CRITERIA

FOR DENSITY INCREASES, INCREASED APPLICATION, OTHERWISE THE

REQUEST IS DENIED.

THE REMAINING REVIEW CRITERIA ARE CONSIDERED AND BALANCED ON

EACH CASE-BY-CASE BASIS FOR EACH APPLICATION REQUESTING A

CHANGE.

NOW, HOWEVER IT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS

FULLY MITIGATE EVACUATION BY LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUES, WHICH

JUST ABOUT EVERY COASTAL COMMUNITIES IS DOING, INCLUDING THE

CITY OF TAMPA.

THE CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH USES POPULATION GROWTH IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

THE CITY CLOSELY MONITORS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO

MAKE SURE THAT NO MORE THAN 5% OF ITS ANNUAL POPULATION

GROWTH OCCURS IN THIS AREA.

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ONCE HAD A MITIGATION IMPACT OFFSET, BY

THE COUNTY COORDINATED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

ALTHOUGH THIS CAPABILITY REMAINS THE PROGRAM IS NO LONGER




IMPLEMENTED.

THIS PROGRAM CAN BENEFIT SHELTERED SPACES USING -- BUT AGAIN

IT IS UNCLEAR IF SUCH A PROGRAM COULD REASONABLY MITIGATION

GAIT EVACUATION TIME.

FINALLY, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN REVIEW PROPOSED PRIVATE

SECTOR DEVELOPMENT, SHELTER SPACE AND EVACUATION TIME

MITIGATION PLANS THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR PUTS OUT DURING A

PLAN AMENDMENT'S AGENCY REVIEW PHASE TO DETERMINE WHETHER

THE PROPOSAL, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL MEET MITIGATION

STANDARDS.

THIS SIMILARLY IS UNCLEAR WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT CAN REALLY

EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH THE EVACUATION TIME EACH YEAR.

AND THAT WAS A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE REPORT SAYS.

AS I SAID, THIS REPORT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY RECOMMENDATIONS

OR CONCLUSIONS AT THIS POINT.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT THAT WILL FEED INTO THE

EFFORTS THAT IS GOING TO BE STARTING UP VERY QUICKLY WITH

CITY STAFF ON A BROADER, WITH A CONSULTANT STUDY, AND THIS

CAN BE A BASIS THAT CAN INCLUDE IN THAT EFFORT TO HELP GIVE

SOME DIRECTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

13:47:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MR. GOERS, ARE YOU GIVING A

PRESENTATION AS WELL OR IS THIS IT?

13:47:32 >>RANDY GOERS:
I AM LISTENING AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

13:47:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.




ANY QUESTIONS?

MR. DINGFELDER.

13:47:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'LL WAIT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY.

13:47:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY?

COUNCILMAN GUDES.

13:47:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- I GUESS

THE QUESTION WOULD GO TO RANDY.

TO COME UP WITH A POLICY AS RELATES TO THE CITY OF TAMPA?

13:47:55 >>RANDY GOERS:
YES, WE WILL DO IT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT

WAYS.

THIS REPORT, THE REPORT THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE PLANNING

COMMISSION IS THEN TO BE GIVEN TO THE CONSULTANT WHEN THEY

START.

SO THEY WILL HAVE -- THE RESEARCH THAT WAS COMPILED BY THE

STAFF.

THE STAFF IS ALSO GOING TO BE PART OF THE AGENCY TEAM THAT

WE PUT TOGETHER AND DEVELOP THE CRAFTING OF POLICIES FOR THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

13:48:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU.

13:48:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?

NO?

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

13:48:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

SO RANDY, REMIND US WHAT THAT TIMETABLE IS IN REGARD TO THE

CONSULTANT AND COMING BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE




POLICIES?

13:48:37 >>RANDY GOERS:
WE ARE -- WE ALREADY STARTED ADVERTISING

WITH THE CONSULTANT RFQ WITH THE RELEASE AND IF EVERYTHING

GOES WELL IN TERMS OF THE SELECTION AND THE CONTRACT, WE

WILL HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD IN JULY.

I THINK ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO DO THE STUDY.

IT JUST DEPENDS HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN GET UP TO SPEED.

BUT WITHIN SIX MONTHS, I THINK WHAT WE THINK ARE THE POLICY

CHANGES, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE PLAN

ENDMENT PROCESS OF GETTING THEM ADOPTED.

13:49:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
PERHAPS THE END OF THIS YEAR, 2021, YOU

HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN WE ALL KNOW THAT COMP PLAN

USUALLY TAKES ABOUT ANOTHER NINE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH.

SO WE WILL BE DEEP INTO 2022 BEFORE WE SEE ANY CHANGES.

MY CONCERN IS THIS.

WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE OBJECTIVE 1.1, WHICH IS THAT SAME

THING WE HAVE SEEN OVER AND OVER, NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL

RESIDENTIAL DENSITY.

NOBODY IS ABLE TO INTERPRET IT, SO IT BECOMES MEANINGLESS.

AND ARGUABLY THAT PROVISION IS GOING TO REMAIN IN THERE AND

BE MEANINGLESS FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.

AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT -- AND SHAWN, I APPRECIATE

YOUR PRESENTATION, AND RANDY, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL THE TIME,

BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE POLICY 1.22 WHICH SAYS, WELL,

DEVELOPERS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THEN HE HAS




TO MITIGATE WITH ADDITIONAL SHELTER SPACE.

BUT MITIGATING AS SHAWN MENTIONED, MITIGATING ADDITIONAL

SHELTER SPACE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS THE EVACUATION.

CAN PEOPLE GET TO THOSE SHELTERS?

CAN PEOPLE GET OUT OF THOSE AREAS, THOSE LOW-LYING AREAS,

PERIOD?

IT BOTHERS ME TREMENDOUSLY THAT THESE REZONINGS CAN CONTINUE

TO COME IN IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND WE DON'T HAVE

ANY EFFECTIVE COMP PLAN POLICIES TO ADDRESS THEM, AND WE ARE

GOING TO BE ARGUABLY, IF WE WAIT, FOR THE CONSULTANT, WE ARE

GOING TO BE IN THAT SAME SITUATION FOR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW,

YEAR AND THREE QUARTERS, OR YEAR AND A HALF.

I THINK SOME OF THESE WE COULD ADDRESS OURSELVES, AT LEAST

ON AN INTERIM BASIS, AND THEN IF THE CONSULTANT COMES UP

WITH SOME BETTER LANGUAGE, WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE IT.

BUT WE ARE GOING THROUGH SOME COMP PLAN -- WE ARE DOING A

COMP PLAN CHANGE RIGHT NOW AS RELATED TO THE SO-CALLED

MORATORIUM.

I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS THESE POLICIES, A COUPLE OF

POLICIES IN THE SHORT TERM AS WELL.

ANYBODY AGREE WITH ME?

13:51:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN?

13:51:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I DIDN'T KNOW THE TIME FRAME WAS GOING TO

BE THAT LONG, MR. DINGFELDER.

I THINK WE ARE SPINNING OUR WHEELS IN THE MUD IF WE ARE NOT




MOVING.

I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO TAKE THIS LONG TO GET

SOMETHING BACK TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS

LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION.

AND ALREADY THAT'S A LONG TIME.

13:52:12 >> WELL, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SHAVE SOME TIME OFF.

I'M GOING BASED ON OUR TYPICAL TIME FRAME.

THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PRODUCE SOME

RECOMMENDATIONS MORE EXPEDIENTLY.

THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DEVELOP THESE ISSUES.

THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS WHOLE ISSUE, WHETHER WE STARTED

OUT, OR WHETHER WE GO TO COUNCIL, IS NOT COMING UP WITH A

SOLUTION, IT'S THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE HAVE SEEN IT ALREADY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

IT'S GETTING THE COMMUNITY OUT AND SAYING, HEY, BY THE TIME

IT COMES TO YOU, YOU HAVE A SOLUTION THAT IS SUPPORTED BY

THE COMMUNITY, BROAD COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT TAKES THE TIME.

THERE IS AN ACTUAL REVIEW TIME BECAUSE IT WILL GO TO THE

STATE TO BE REVIEWED, BECAUSE OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT.

BUT THERE'S TWO ISSUES ON THIS.

ONE OF THEM IS THE RIGHT MECHANISM.

THE OTHER ONE IS GETTING THE COMMUNITIES TO BUY IN ON THOSE

POLICIES.

SELECTING THE MECHANISM, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION




PRODUCES, EVERY ONE OF THOSE CITIES HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH

TO REGULATING DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA.

I KNOW THAT ONCE WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL HAVE

SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPROACHES COME TO US, AND THAT'S WHY WE

ARE BRINGING THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO LEVERAGE THEIR

EXPERIENCE, TO LOOK AT THE TREND, ALL OF THE INFORMATION,

AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT IS THE BEST

APPROACH.

13:53:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I RESPECT THAT, RANDY.

MY DEAL IS THAT THE COMMUNITY, A CERTAIN PORTION OF OUR

CITY, HAS BEEN FIGHTING REALLY HARD, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE

DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE THEIR SIDE, TOO.

BUT TO ME, I'M A COMMUNITY GUY.

AND SOME DEVELOPERS, THEY DON'T LIVE THERE.

THAT'S A BUSINESS PORTION.

BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING THE BULK OF THEIR

CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION VERSUS OTHER ITSELF, BECAUSE

THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO LIVE THERE.

AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU PUT SOMETHING THERE, A BUSINESS DEAL,

AND THOSE SKY RISE BUILDINGS, THEY COME AND GO.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BROADER

COMMUNITY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN KNIT COMMUNITY OF

THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR CONCERNS.

THAT'S WHERE -- THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR




AND NEED.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS RIGHT NOW.

I'LL LISTEN TO OTHER COUNCILMEN.

BUT THAT'S A LONG TIME, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO KEEP HEARING

THIS FOR A WHILE UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS.

YOU ARE TALKING WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCILMEN HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

13:55:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

13:55:14 >>BILL CARLSON:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT

EVACUATION AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT COMES UP MOST OFTEN.

BUT LISTENING TO CLIMATE SCIENTISTS AND NONPARTISAN CLIMATE

SCIENTISTS, AND LISTENING TO THE RISK MANAGEMENT INDUSTRY,

TALK TO INSURANCE INDUSTRY, THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ON THE

HORIZON MAYBE FIFTY YEARS OUT WHERE THESE COASTAL AREAS WILL

BE COVERED WITH WATER.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE PROPERTIES

AT THAT TIME?

AND THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN IS THAT THE RISK INDUSTRY

WILL PULL OUT BEFORE THE WATER REALLY HITS, AND THAT MEANS

THAT PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET MORTGAGES, THEY WON'T BE

ABLE TO REFINANCE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL BECAUSE PEOPLE

WON'T BE ABLE TO GET MORTGAGES, SO MAYBE THEN PEOPLE WHO

HAVE CASH WILL BE ABLE TO BUY THESE PROPERTIES.

THEN THE OTHER THING IS PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET

INSURANCE WHICH ALSO MEANS THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET DEBT




ON THAT, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER EFFECT THAT MIGHT HAVE?

I WONDER IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA,

IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY,

OBLIGATIONS OR LIABILITY EVEN FOR COMMUNITIES TO, ONE,

DEVELOPERS OR TO SET GUIDELINES BECAUSE MOSS SCIENTISTS ARE

PREDICTING IN FIFTY YEARS THAT PROBABLY THE BUILDING MIGHT

NOT BE WORTH ANYTHING?

13:56:39 >> ARE THOSE DIRECTED AT ME?

13:56:44 >>BILL CARLSON:
SURE.

WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER IT.

13:56:46 >> THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT IS WRAPPING UP A

STUDY IN TAMPA AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND SOME OF

THE INITIAL IDEAS, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LONG-TERM

IMPACTS, SIXTY, SEVENTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

THE STUDIES RECOMMEND SOME IDEAS, SOME OF THEM WOULD REQUIRE

CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE.

THAT'S THE PROVISIONS THAT MANY OF THOSE IDEAS WOULD

ACTUALLY NEED, FIRST TO AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER TO A

COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.

BUT THAT STUDY WILL ALSO HAVE INPUT THAT WILL LEAD INTO THIS

STUDY.

SO THE CONSULTANT HAS THE BENEFIT OF UNDERSTANDING SEA LEVEL

RISE IN ITS DYNAMIC FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

13:57:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN?

13:57:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.




13:57:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SHAWN, THIS COMES BACK TO THE CORE

QUESTION AND I THINK YOU BUMPED AGAINST IN THE YOUR

PRESENTATION.

WHAT IS THE RISK, WHAT IS THE DANGER OF ALLOWING THIS

CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA?

I MEAN, ALLEGEDLY THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE BUILDING MORE

SHELTER SPACE OR CONTRIBUTING TO MORE SHELTER SPACE.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER RISKS, VIS-A-VIS EVACUATION, OR WHAT

HAVE YOU?

13:58:33 >> SHAWN COLLEGE:
YES, A GOOD QUESTION.

GENERALLY WE ARE DOING ALL RIGHT COUNTYWIDE.

THE LAST I CHECKED WITH REGARD TO SHELTER SPACE.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THE REAL PROBLEM WE HAVE IS EVACUATION

TIME.

THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POPULATION THAT IS GOING TO GET

INTO THEIR CARS AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO LEAVE THE

COUNTY.

WE CAN INFLUENCE HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT IS, BUT THERE'S -- WE

CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS.

THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE GET IN

THEIR CAR AND TRY TO LEAVE THE COUNTY.

AND AS YOU INCREASE THE POPULATION, IF YOU INCREASE THE

POPULATION, VIA LAND USE CHANGES THAT INCREASE DENSITY, YOU

ARE ADDING TO THAT POPULATION, TO THAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT




POPULATION THAT'S GOING TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND TRY TO

LEAVE, AND WE DETERMINED THAT WE CANNOT GET EVERYBODY OUT

THAT IS GOING TO WANT TO LEAVE, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE

THAT IS ESTABLISHED UNDER STATE LAW AND UNDER THE COMP PLAN.

THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO BE STUCK

IN THEIR CARS DURING A STORM SURGE EVENT, ON THE ROAD, AND

IN DANGER.

SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL, AGAIN, AND WE

ALWAYS AS PLANNERS TEND TO LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF LAND USE

CATEGORY CHANGES THAT INCREASE DENSITY.

THAT'S ALWAYS THE DANGER.

WE LOOK AT IT AS PLANNERS THAT THE LAND USE DENSITIES THAT

ARE ESTABLISHED ON THE MAP, THEY ARE CONTEMPLATED.

THEY HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED HISTORICALLY, AND POPULATIONS

UNDER THAT LAND USE CATEGORY ARE WHAT WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED

WILL BE BUILT THERE.

SO THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE NATURAL GROWTH IN

POPULATION IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD BECAUSE THERE'S A

CAPACITY ALREADY AVAILABLE UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE

CATEGORIES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND.

14:00:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT SOME OF THESE JURISDICTIONS, SHAWN,

HAVE TAKEN A STEP FURTHER THAN THE LAND USE CATEGORY.

THEY HAVE LIMITED THE REZONING -- I MEAN, GRANTED, IF

SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS A ZONING AND THEY HAVE A LAND USE

CATEGORY AND ALL THEY ARE WAITING TO DO IS PULL A PERMIT,




THEN THOSE ARE ALREADY DONE, OKAY.

BUT THE ONES THAT ARE COMING WITH A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT

ARE ASKING FOR A ZONING CATEGORY TO MEET THAT, LET'S SAY 30

OR 35 UNITS PER ACRE ON A CMU-35, A LOT OF THE JURISDICTIONS

THAT YOU SHARED WITH US HAVE SAID, WAIT A SECOND, WE DON'T

CARE IF YOU GOT A CMU-35.

IF YOU ARE IN THE CHHA, WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT YOU TO TEN

UNITS PER ACRE, SIX UNITS PER ACRE.

I CHARACTERIZING SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS?

14:01:09 >> WELL, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PARSED OUT WHICH JURISDICTION

VERSUS A ZONING POLICY AND WHICH JURISDICTIONS HAVE A LAND

USE CATEGORY POLICY.

I TEND TO THINK MOST OF THEM ARE DEALING IN LAND USE, AND

HISTORICALLY THAT IS WHERE WE DEALT WITH IT, AND THAT IS THE

STATE LAW TEND TO EVOLVE AROUND LAND USE, NOT SO MUCH

REZONINGS.

SO AS WE HAVE DEALT WITH STATE LAW IN THE POPULATION IN THE

COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WE TEND TO DEALT WITH IT ON THE

LAND USE SIDE.

14:01:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE

JURISDICTIONS AND THE DESCRIPTIONS YOU PROVIDED, IT APPEARED

TO ME CLEARLY THEY WERE TAKING IT FURTHER THAN THAT, AND

SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME.

I KNOW YOU PROVIDED A COPY OF THE REPORT TO ME BECAUSE I




ASKED YOU FOR ONE.

DID YOU PROVIDE ONE TO ALL COUNCIL, OR COULD YOU?

14:02:01 >> I THINK WE DID FORWARD TO THE ALL COUNCIL, BUT WE

CERTAINLY CAN IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR COPY

AND I WOULD JUST SAY, COUNCILMAN, I THINK AT THE END, THIS

EXPANDED STUDY THAT RANDY GOERS IS ABOUT TO UNDERGO, THAT'S

THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CONSULTANTS TO LOOK INTO

THOSE IMPLICATIONS OF ZONING AND WHETHER THAT'S AN OPTION,

AND WHETHER IT'S AN APPROPRIATE OPTION, AND WHAT THE

IMPLICATIONS OF DOING THAT FOR THE CITY ARE.

14:02:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I GUESS I TEND TO BE AN IMPATIENT GUY.

AND WHEN I SEE THESE REZONINGS COME IN FRONT OF US MONTH

AFTER MONTH, WEEK AFTER WEEK, WITH CONTINUED INCREASE, NET

INCREASE IN DENSITY, OR NET INCREASE IN DENSITY, NO DOUBT IN

MY MIND, THAT'S WHERE I GET EXTREMELY CONCERNED, BECAUSE

LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC

SAFETY FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ALL ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN.

THEY SAY, OH, THE TRAFFIC IS BUSY AND THIS, THE SCHOOLS ARE

CROWDED.

AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES.

BUT THERE'S NO ISSUE MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN EVACUATION

AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

THANK YOU.




14:03:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYBODY ELSE?

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

14:03:20 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE QUICK QUESTION.

THE SELMON EXTENSION JUST OPENED.

WILL THERE BE NEW TRAFFIC MODELING NOW THAT THAT'S DONE TO

SEE HOW THE EVACUATION TIMES ARE CHANGING?

14:03:32 >> SHAWN COLLEGE.

THE STATE DOES A REGIONAL HURRICANE EVACUATION MODEL, AND

THEY DO IT ABOUT EVER FIVE YEARS, AND THEY JUST COMPLETED

ONE, OR THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING ONE.

THAT SHOULD COME OUT FOR THE NEW COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA

WILL COME OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL

AS TO WHETHER THEY MODELED IT WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE

SELMON OR PRIOR TO COMPLETION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO

THAT.

14:04:04 >> THINKING THROUGH, UNDERSTAND WAG THEY ARE USING AS THEIR

BASELINE PROJECTIONS, I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING THE

MOST CURRENT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FOR THE MODELING.

14:04:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
THANK YOU.

14:04:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE?

ANYBODY ELSE?




THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT.

OUR LAST ITEM OF THE DAY IS GOING TO BE ITEM NUMBER 5

REGARDING SIDEWALKS AND WHATNOT.

I SEE VIK ON.

WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE.

I BELIEVE WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

14:04:52 >>VIK BHIDE:
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND CHAIR.

VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.

I'M ALSO JOINED BY PATRICK PEREZ WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT

TO ASK LEGAL QUESTIONS.

WE DID SUBMIT A PRESENTATION, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP.

THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IS THE SIDEWALK --

THE SIDEWALK WORKSHOP AND THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN

CITRO A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN WALK/BIKE TAMPA MADE THEIR

PRESENTATION, AND MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE IS THE WHOLE MOTION.

I WON'T READ IT BUT BASICALLY IT HAS A COUPLE OF PARTS.

ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW SIDEWALKS ARE FUNDED AND WHAT THE

CURRENT PROCESS IS, VIS-A-VIS FUNDING AND IMPLEMENTATION.

THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE OTHER PART, NEXT SLIDE, OF THE

PRESENTATION IS LOOK INTO THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT, HOW WILL




WE PRIORITIZE SIDEWALKS, VERSUS HOW WE ARE DOING IT

CURRENTLY, WHICH IS THE PREVIOUS SECTION.

AND THE THIRD PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE

WALK/BIKE TAMPA SPECIFIC PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, AND STAFF

RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SAME.

AS FAR AS Q AND A ARE CONCERNED, WE HAVE ADDED SLIDES IF YOU

WANT TO BREAK UP THE DISCUSSION INTO THESE THREE ITEMS, OR

WE COULD DO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AT THE END.

THAT'S COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

NEXT SLIDE.

NEXT SLIDE.

THANK YOU.

SO LET'S LOOK HISTORY IN-LIEU FEE.

IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN APRIL OF 1990.

THE IN-LIEU FEE IS DESCRIBED IN CHAPTER 22, STREETS AND

SIDEWALKS, PARTICULARLY UNDER SECTION A THAT DEALS WITH

FEES.

IN 2010 THE IN-LIEU FEE WAS REDUCED.

WHAT USED TO BE $43 WAS REDUCED TO $29.

AND BASED ON WHAT WE RESEARCHED, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE COST

OF SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME BY DEVELOPERS, AND

MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF THE SAME.

AND CERTAINLY NO EXPLANATION WAS INCLUDED TO ACCOUNT FOR

INCREASING COSTS AND CONSTRUCTION FACTORS, AND THIS




CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST

FEW YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS GO UP BY AROUND

40 TO 50% IN SOME CASES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO POLICIES, THERE'S A LITTLE INFORMATION MISSING AT THE

BOTTOM BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT SHOWS IS ON THE TOP, THE TABLE

ON THE TOP IS IN-LIEU FEE BALANCES THAT WE HAVE AS OF

DECEMBER 4th.

THE NEXT TABLE IS WHERE THOSE IN-LIEU FEES ARE COLLECTED

UNDER.

THEY ARE COLLECTED UNDER IMPACT FEE OR MULTIMODAL FEES, AND

THESE ARE OTHER FEES COLLECTED FROM 2013 THROUGH 2021, AND

THE BOTTOM ROW OF THE SECOND TABLE ARE THE TOTAL.

AND THE THIRD TABLE

THESE ARE THE ACTUALS.

MEANING THE CULMINATION OF THE FUND THAT WERE COLLECTED OVER

TIME, AND THOSE THAT ARE BEING COLLECTED TO DATE.

AND 2019, WE WERE USING IN-LIEU FEES ALMOST ENTIRELY FOR

BUILDING SMALL SIDEWALKS, OR FOR A MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING

WENT TO MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OR PRESERVATION OF THE

CURRENT SYSTEM.

AFTER 2019, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZED THAT WE ARE NOT

IMPLEMENTING OUR BUILD OR BUILDING ENOUGH NEW SIDEWALKS, AND

SO WE STARTED SHARING THOSE IN-LIEU FEES BETWEEN CAPITAL AS

WELL AS MAINTENANCE.




SO CURRENTLY WE ARE USING IN-LIEU FEES, AND IT'S NOT A LOT,

BUT WE ARE USING THEM PARTLY TO BUILD SIDEWALKS, PARTLY TO

FILL GAPS, AND MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS.

WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

HERE ARE THE ACCUMULATED BALANCES, IN THE IN-LIEU FEE TRUST

FUND, THE SIDEWALK TRUST FUND.

AND THIS IS A REFLECTION OF ALL THE BALANCES COLLECTED OVER

THE YEARS, AND THEN OF COURSE WHATEVER HAS BEEN COLLECTED TO

DATE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT VERY HIGH NUMBERS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY

CONSTRUCTING A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, AND MITIGATION AS WELL, AND

THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, HOW IT IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE

REGION, AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO IN 2019, WHEN WE STARTED DOING CAPITAL, ONE OF OUR FIRST

PROJECTS WAS TAMPANIA FROM COLUMBUS TO TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD.

THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT MEANING THERE ARE NO

STORMWATER CONSIDERATIONS OR MITIGATIONS TO THAT EFFECT

THERE.

WERE NO GRAND TREES AROUND WITHIN TEN FEET OF THE SIDEWALK,

TO ADD TO SOME OF THE DESIGN CHALLENGES, AND THERE WEREN'T

ANY ISSUES WITH CONTIGUOUS SIDEWALKS.

SO WHEN WE BILLED BUILT THIS IN 20919, FOUR YEARS BACK, IT

WAS ABOUT HALF A MILE, AND THE COAST WAS $66 PER LINEAR

FOOT, WHICH INCLUDED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.




NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE THIS SHOWS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FROM

FY 20.

AND AS WE -- THE FIRST IS THE ACTUAL TO DATE.

THAT AMOUNT IN EXCESS OF $1 MILLION.

AND IT IS REFLECTIVE OF IN-LIEU FEES.

THIS IS REALLY A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN

COLLECTED TO DATE IN THE PAST, BUT REALLY WHAT YOU ARE

LOOKING AT IS THE BUDGET ALLOCATED WHICH IS $182,000 WHICH

IS PULLED FROM THE IN-LIEU FUND AND WE DID AS CAPITAL

PROJECT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SIDEWALKS.

THIS IS REALLY FOR THE PURPOSE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, 25 BLOCKS AS WELL, AND WE

COMBINED WITH STATE FUNDING TO DO PROJECTS LIKE THE PROPOSED

SULPHUR SPRINGS ROUTE TO SCHOOL.

WE ALSO HAVE THE BOULEVARD ON LOIS AND OTHER PROGRAMS THAT

ARE PROGRAMMED IN OTHER YEARS.

SO WE ARE GETTING CREATIVE AND FUND SOME EXTERNAL SOURCES

AND WHAT WE HAVE -- OTHER INCLUDE THE WESTSHORE NEIGHBORHOOD

IMPROVEMENT FUND, AND THAT IS A SPECIAL FEE WITHIN THE

WESTSHORE DISTRICT, FUND FROM DEVELOPERS, AND WE ARE FUNDING

A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, ONE ON FIG STREET, THE OTHER ON HUBERT

AVENUE.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS ANOTHER SHEET WHICH SHOWS WE RECEIVE SIDEWALK




FUNDING FROM THE CIT, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, SOME

YEARS BACK, A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING AWAY.

THIS IS THE LAST YEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS HALF

MILLION DOLLARS.

AND IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY STARTING NEXT YEAR.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THAT MEANS IN EFFECT THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT

FUNDS OUR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, CRACKED CEILINGS,

AND LEAKING PANELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S GOING AWAY

AND THE ONLY OTHER SOURCE AS OF NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE

LOCAL OPTION GAS TAXES WHICH ARE ALREADY STRESSED.

BUT THAT'S OUR ONLY OPTION.

OUR MAINTENANCE BACKLOG OVER 600 CUSTOMER SERVICE REQUESTS,

AND THE ACTUAL NEED FOR REPAIRS IS MUCH HIGHER, AND THE

REASON IS OUR PROGRAM, WE ARE GOING DOWN THE LIST OF VARIOUS

CITIZEN REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME IN, AND WE ARE FILLING THOSE

GAPS AS THEY COME IN, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT'S THE

WHOLE PICTURE.

THERE ARE MANY OTHER SIDEWALK GAPS WITHIN THE CITY THAT --

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING, AND WE'LL CHECK ON

THAT REAL SOON, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FOR

THAT, AND THAT'S POSSIBLE.

OTHER NEIGHBORS MAY NOT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.




SO THIS SHOWS OUR CURRENT COSTS AND HOW THEY ARE DRAWN UP

OVER TIME.

FROM 2012 TO 2020, WHERE WE ARE, LINE ITEMS COST PER LINEAR

FOOT HAS GONE UP.

OUR AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY $75.

AND THE AVERAGE COST PER LINEAR FOOT FOR TYPICAL SIDEWALKS

CONSTRUCTION, THIS NUMBER CAME IN FROM OPERATIONS THAT DOES

A LOT OF SIDEWALK WORK.

OVER 100 SMALL PROJECTS, 40 TO 50-FOOT LENGTH AND THIS DOES

NOT INCLUDE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE MITIGATION FOR TREE CONCERNS, THE

ROOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS THE REAL COST TO CONSTRUCT A LINEAR FOOT OF

SIDEWALK, ASSUMING FIVE FOOT OF SIDEWALK.

SOME YEARS BACK THAT USED TO BE FOUR FEET SO THAT'S ALSO A

DIFFERENCE IN THE COST.

THAT FOUR TO FEET FIVE IS ADA STANDARDS THAT HAVE CHANGED

OVER TIME.

SO THAT'S OUR NUMBER.

$75.

THAT'S A REAL COST.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE CAN STOP HERE AND DISCUSS HOW WE DO SIDEWALKS TODAY,

OR I CAN PROCEED.

WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE?




14:16:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
JUST A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET TO

QUESTIONS.

IN MY DISTRICT, OR IN MUCH OF THE CITY, THE BIGGEST REQUEST

OR COMPLAINT OR CONCERN I GET -- IT'S A CONCERN, BUT PEOPLE

ARE ASKING, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS AND WHEN ARE

YOU GOING TO BEHAVE THE ROAD?

YOU DO THAT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. IN WEST

TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE OPEN DITCHES.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MORE MODERN STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT WE DO

IN SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, AND THOSE ARE

VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE IN A LOT OF THESE RESIDENTIAL ROADS,

THEY ARE VERY NARROW STREETS.

AND WITHOUT A SIDEWALK, IT'S NOT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND

IT'S DANGEROUS FOR AUTOMOBILES TURNING.

AND I HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY CARS FALL INTO THESE DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THE TAMPANIA PROJECT, AND THE

NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE

STREET.

AND IT'S ALARMING TO SEE THE PRICES GOING UP.

IT WAS CHEAP WHEN I GOT A QUOTE FROM MAYOR BUCKHORN, ONE

STREET THAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT SPEEDING AND WHATNOT.

THEY SAID LET'S PUT A SIDEWALK.

AND IT WAS $100,000 JUST FOR THAT ONE ROAD.

WASN'T A VERY LONG ROAD.

AND THEN THE PROJECT WAS SCRAPPED FOR OTHER REASONS.




BUT WHEN TRANSPORTATION WAS PROPOSED AND ONE OF THE MAIN

REASONS WAS WE WOULD HAVE DEDICATED FUNDING FOR 30 YEARS TO

BUILD THESE SIDEWALKS.

AND AGAIN, BUILD THE SIDEWALKS AND PAVE THE ROADS AND A LOT

OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY.

NOT JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD BUT IT'S A MAJOR PUBLIC

SAFETY ISSUE AND CONCERN.

KIDS CAN'T WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY.

FOLKS THAT ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THE

STREET, JUST TO MANEUVER, AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT

CONNECTED AND WHATNOT.

IT'S A DANGEROUS THING ON TOP OF THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS.

I UNDERSTAND.

IT RAINS IN THE SUMMERTIME AND POP HOLES POP UP AND THEY GET

WASHED OUT.

BUT THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS IS TERRIBLE.

THERE ARE SOME ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAID IN 30, 40 YEARS,

AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING.

I SAW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S UP.

YES, SIR.

14:18:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT, AND

THAT VIK JUST SPOKE ABOUT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT 2022, THAT

THERE WILL BE NO LONGER THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX MONEY

TO DO THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES THROUGH 2027, 2022, 2023,




AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX.

HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE OBLIGATION ONE

WAY OR THE OTHER WHEN IT'S AT THAT TIME, FROM GAS DRIVEN

AUTOMOBILES TO ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILES, TO START GETTING SOME

UPWARD MOBILITY STANDARDS, IN OTHER WORDS, FROM ONE OR TWO

PERCENT NOW, MAYBE TEN PERCENT OR EVEN GREATER BY THAT TIME,

AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LESS INVESTMENT TAX MONEY OR NONE

AT ALL, AND OPTION GAS TAX WILL BE REDUCING BECAUSE WE ARE

NOT GOING TO GET THE SHARE.

AND THEN YOU GO BACK, AND WE TALK ABOUT FIXING SOMETHING.

YOU GO BACK TO 100 FOOT WIDE LOT, 600, 735 ADDED TO THE COST

OF A HOUSE, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT'S HAPPENING?

THAT 60-FOOT LOT WOULD BE ABOUT $4500.

AND A 50-FOOT LOT WOULD BE 3,750 BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOT.

SO WE ARE INCREASING ALREADY, AND THE COST -- AND I AGREE

WITH WHAT MY GOOD FRIEND VIK SAID -- THAT THE COST HAS

INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY.

MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, NOW IT'S FOUR TO FIVE TIMES

THE AMOUNT OF THAT PRICE.

AND CEMENT HAS GONE UP.

YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING INCLUDING WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLYWOOD, IT

DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN AFFORD IT.

THE COST OF A HOUSE HAS GONE UP, I WOULD THINK, 20, 30,000

JUST ON THE WOOD ALONE.

WE DO ALL OF THAT, AND YOU ADD 4500 FOR 60-FOOT LOT, FOR A




50-FOOT LOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO CALL ANYTHING

AFFORDABLE.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT WORD TO USE ANYMORE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OPEN DITCHES.

SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

THERE'S SOME THAT SAY THAT THEY WANT THAT IN LIEU OF. IN

LIEU OF WHAT?

YOU HAVE A DITCH.

AND YOU HAVE NO PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

ARE WE GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TO BUILD A SIDEWALK

THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP A DITCH TO WALK 60 OR 70 OR 100 FEET

AND THEN JUMP BACK OUT?

I WOULD RATHER SEE CONNECTIVITY ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY

THERE, MAKE IT SIMPLER, AND AT LEAST THE EYES CAN SEE THAT

YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK FOR A BLOCK.

SO WE MUST HAVE SOMETHING.

AND WE DON'T NEED A PROFESSIONAL STUDY.

SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO WALK THE STREET AND DIAGRAM HOW

MUCH, OR MAYBE ONE OF THOSE DRONES TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH

SIDEWALK YOU HAVE IN A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND DO IT

OURSELVES AND SAVE SOME MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A WAY OUT

OF DOING THIS IN ANY EQUALITY, SO THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE

TO PAY MORE AND THEN GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, AND YOU ARE GOING TO




PAY IN LIEU OF, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THAT PERSON?

WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU HAVE A DITCH

IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU ARE STILL GOING TO PAY TO MOVE WHEN

YOU BUILD A HOUSE?

THOSE ARE THINGS I DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I'M SURE

THE REST DO THE SAME.

SO IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE GOT TO FIX.

AND IT SEEMS SO EASY.

THE COSTS ARE SKYROCKETING.

THE LAND COST IS SKYROCKETING.

YOU CAN'T BUY A LOT IN TAMPA FOR LESS THAN 100,000.

SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS, HOW IS ANYONE, EVEN IF BOTH

HUSBAND AND WIFE ARE WORKING, GET SOMETHING GOING AND THEY

ARE WORKING, WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE, IT'S ALMOST

IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BUY A HOUSE.

AND ONLY THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT, ABOUT YOU THOSE THAT

CAN'T NOT AFFORD IT, AND WE NEED ANSWERS AND I AM ASKING FOR

SOME HELP TO FIND THE ANSWERS.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

14:23:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN COUNCILMAN

GUDES.

14:23:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THIS MORNING I CALLED VIK AND I SAID,

VIK, WHERE IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IN-LIEU FEE?

AND HE SAID, OH, THAT'S THE SECOND AND THIRD PART OF HIS

PRESENTATION?




SO I THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS COMING, AND IT'S A GOOD

DISCUSSION, MR. MIRANDA, AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION.

I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IT.

BUT MY QUESTION AS RELATED TO WHAT WE HAVE HEARD ALREADY IS,

VIK, YOU SORT OF GAVE IT AS A GIVEN THAT THE VIP MONEY IS

GOING TO BE GOING AWAY IN 2022.

WHY DO YOU SAY THAT?

AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, DOES YOUR $75 INCLUDE PROJECT

MANAGEMENT COSTS?

14:24:15 >>VIK BHIDE:
SO THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE

WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FUNDING RUNS OUT.

14:24:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE FUNDING RUNS OUT FIVE YEARS LATER,

MR. MIRANDA SAID, LIKE IN 2025 OR 2027.

SO WHY 2022?

WHO IS MAKING THAT DECISION?

I THOUGHT CITY COUNCIL WAS THE ONE WHO ESTABLISHES THE CIP

EVERY YEAR.

JEAN DUNCAN.

14:24:48 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YOU CAN --

14:24:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CAN YOU HELP US, JEAN?

14:24:58 >>JEAN DUNCAN:
YES.

WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE THAT THERE IS A

LONGER LIST, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE

THINK ARE GOING TO WIN OUT OVER SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE IN THE




PUBLIC SAFETY AREA OF OUR NEED.

SO IT'S NOT 100% DECIDED YET, AND GO THROUGH BUDGET PROCESS

TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS OF THE COUNCIL, BUT WE ARE

APPARENTLY LOW ON THAT PRIORITY LIST AT THIS TIME.

SO WE LIKE TO PLAN FOR THE WORST.

WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE

BEST, IS BASICALLY WHAT VIK IS SAYING WHEN HE SAYS THOSE

FUND ARE GOING TO GO AWAY.

14:25:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WELL, I KNOW AT LEAST THIS COUNCILMAN IS

GOING TO KEEP A REAL CLOSE EYE ON THAT ISSUE ON THE CIP,

BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HEAR ABOUT, YOU

KNOW, ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.

I NOT JUST THIS ONE GROUP, WALK/BIKE, THAT'S DOING A GOOD

JOB.

WE ALL HEAR ABOUT SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME AND THE ENACT WE

MIGHT DEFUND THEM SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO PAVE ROADS OR WHAT

HAVE YOU?

I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG DIRECTION.

I WOULD HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD AGREE.

SO MY OTHER QUESTION, VIK, WAS PERHAPS AN EASIER ONE, WAS

THE $75 PER FOOT INCLUDE ADMINISTRATIVE AND PROJECT

MANAGEMENT COSTS?

THANK YOU, JEAN.

14:26:30 >>VIK BHIDE:
NO, IT DOES NOT.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MANAGEMENT COST OR DESIGN.




THAT'S ABOVE THE $75.

14:26:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH YOUR

SPREADSHEET, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS WERE NOT

INSIGNIFICANT.

I SAW $50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COST.

14:26:53 >>VIK BHIDE:
THE DELIVERY MECHANISM AS WELL, SO CONSULTANT,

AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS ARE HIGHER, BRINGING IT

IN-HOUSE IS MUCH LOWER.

14:27:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT IT STILL EXISTS NO MATTER WHAT.

14:27:11 >>VIK BHIDE:
ABSOLUTELY.

THEN THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP BECAUSE THOSE ARE A PERCENTAGE

OF THE OVERALL.

14:27:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
MR. CHAIRMAN, I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING

ABOUT THE IN-LIEU ISSUE THAT MR. MIRANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT,

I GUESS WHAT MR. BHIDE FINISHES HIS PRESENTATION.

14:27:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

AND WE HAVE COUNCILMAN GUDES.

COUNCILMAN CITRO.

COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

14:27:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. DINGFELDER, YOU MENTIONED $75.

I KNOW A LOT OF GUYS WHO DO SIDEWALKS, AND $75 A SQUARE

FOOT?

THAT'S A LOT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN -- ASTRONOMICAL FEES.

WE PAY MORE OUT OF THE CITY BUDGET FOR STUDIES AND ALL THESE




DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

SOME OF THIS STUFF, I'M NOT PICKING ON ADMINISTRATION.

BUT TO ME, IF I SEE A BROKEN SIDEWALK, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO

HAVE A STUDY?

ALL THESE THINGS THAT'S COSTING US MONEY WHEN I CAN HAVE A

CREW GO OUT THERE, OR SAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET NO YEAR,

AND GO OUT AND DO SOME SIDEWALKS.

600 CUSTOMERS ARE WAITING ON A WAITING LIST.

HOW ARE YOU GOING GET 600 PEOPLE AT $75 A SQUARE FOOT, CIP

MONEY WILL STOP.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.

600 PEOPLE, WHAT YOUR SCHEMATIC SAYS, ARE WAITING FOR SOME

TYPE OF SIDEWALK REPAIR.

SO I AM JUST WONDERING, HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT?

I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING.

I HEAR TALK, AND I HEAR TALK, BUT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT

WHERE IS THE SOLUTION?

BECAUSE TO ME, NEGOTIATING SOME PEOPLE, BUT $75 A SQUARE

FOOT, 600 CUSTOMERS A WEEK.

14:29:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD, SIR.

14:29:23 >>VIK BHIDE:
WE DO HAVE A BUDGET SHORTFALL.

MORE THAN HALF OF OUR ROADS ARE IN SATISFACTORY TO POOR

CONDITION.

WE KNOW THAT.

AND THAT IS TIED TO THE BUDGET.




A BIG PORTION OF OUR TRANSPORTATION BUDGET, AND YET WE ARE

IN A VERY BIG HOLE.

AND IT'S NOT JUST SIDEWALKS.

I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER BEYOND WE NEED MORE FUNDING TO

MAKE SURE WE CLEAR OUT THE BACKLOG.

AND AS FAR AS THE STUDY GOES, THE STUDY THAT WE ARE DOING

WAS REALLY THREE FOLD.

ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S PRIORITIES ARE,

AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THE LISTEN FIRST.

AND SKIP OVER THAT PART AND TALK ABOUT IT NOW.

THE OTHER ASPECT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE IN

THE COMMUNITY AND APPLYING KNOWLEDGE BASED PARAMETERS WITH

PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS, OR HOSPITALS, AND TRANSIT CONNECTION,

LIKE ROADWAY, ARTERIALS, THAT HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE USED

MORE BY PEOPLE THAN MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT ULTIMATELY, THE REASON WE ARE DOING

THE STUDY NOW AND PREVIOUSLY, WAS BECAUSE THERE'S NO FUNDING

ON THE HORIZON.

PLANS GO BAD OVER TIME.

SO WHEN YOU ENGAGE IN A PLANNING EXERCISE THERE, HAS TO BE

SOME SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU TO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO

BRING IT AND THE PLAN TOGETHER.

BUT IF IT DIDN'T PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY, WE ARE ALSO GETTING

STRONG SIGNALS FROM WASHINGTON AS WELL AS TALLAHASSEE THAT




THERE MAY BE FUNDING FORTHCOMING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT PLANNING, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL TO

BE DONE RIGHT NOW.

BUT AS THINGS STAND TODAY, LOOKING AT OUR BALANCE SHEET

TODAY, YES, WE ARE IN A HOLE AS FAR AS ROADS AND SIDEWALKS

ARE CONCERNED.

THERE'S NO DOUBT.

14:31:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT SOUND ALL GOOD AND I APPRECIATE IT.

BUT MY OPINION IS 600.

SO WITHIN THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK CREW THAT CAN

GO OUT AND PUT MUD AND REPLACE THE SIDEWALKS SO PEOPLE WHO

HAVE CRACKS, IS EVERYTHING OUTSOURCED? ARE WE DOING THAT,

DO WE HAVE A CREW THAT CAN GO OUT AND THEY SEE A SIDEWALK,

YOU BUST IT UP, YOU TAKE THE MEASURES, YOU LAY THE MUD, AND

KEEP IT MOVING?

DO WE HAVE THAT OR WE DON'T?

14:32:15 >>VIK BHIDE:
WE USE CONTRACTORS FOR THE MOST PART.

WE ALSO USE IN-HOUSE FOR SMALL REPAIRS.

AND WE TRY TO USE OUR CREWS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

THE BIG CHALLENGE WITH DOING THINGS IN-HOUSE AND NOT USING A

CONTRACTOR, OR EVEN VICE VERSA, IS ALSO WHAT IS THE FUNDING

LEVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE?

THAT'S ONE.

THE OTHER, WHAT IS THE STAFF LEVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE?

AND FROM 2008, WE HAVE BEEN DOING MORE WITH LESS FOR A LONG




TIME NOW.

AND WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

THAT IS THE CORE OF OUR CONCERN.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT MANY WAYS OF BEING MORE EFFICIENT WITH

WHAT WE DO, AND WHAT FUNDING LEVELS WE HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T

TAB AWAY FROM THE LARGER PROBLEM.

AND IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OPTIMIZATION YOU CAN

DO IN AN OPERATION.

14:33:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
AND LIKE I TELL PEOPLE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT

THE BIG THINGS THAT MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY, IT'S THE SMALL

THINGS.

AND SIDEWALKS ARE A SMALL THINGS TO PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LOOKING AT DOING SOME

SMALL CREWS, TO SEE IF SOME OF THE OTHER SMALL ORGANIZATIONS

THAT SHALL HAVE GUYS THAT CAN PUT THE WORK AND GO OUT THERE

AND DO SMALL SIDEWALKS, AT BETTER COSTS THAN WHAT WE DO

OUTSOURCES FOR, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT DO THE

WORK, WHATEVER, BUT SOME OF THESE COSTS ARE ASTRONOMICAL,

BUT TO SAY WE HAVE 600 PEOPLE ON A LIST, AND I KNOW THAT

SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS HAVE CRACKED.

I DON'T SEE IT TAKING A LOT TO GO OUT THERE.

I USED TO DO THAT WITH MY UNCLE, GO OUT AND BUST A SIDEWALK

UP AND LAY SOME MUD.




EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHEEL AGAIN, DON'T REINVENT

IT, BUT HAVE COMMON SENSE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN

DO.

I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

14:34:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN CITRO.

WHY DOESN'T THE CITY CREATE A DEDICATED SIDEWALK DEPARTMENT?

YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT.

DO THE WORK OURSELVES, HIRE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS.

WE TALK ABOUT CREATING JOBS, PUTTING A FEW PEOPLE TO WORK.

I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID IT ONE TIME, WHEN THEY SEE A

GOVERNMENT CONTRACT, THE PRICES GO UP, AND THEY TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF IT.

WHEN WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES, IN-HOUSE TRAINING AND IN-HOUSE

WORK, I'M SURE THE CITY HAD TO HAVE, YEARS AGO, MAYBE UNDER

NUCCIO, MAYBE UNDER A MAYOR A HALF A CENTURY AGO, DEDICATED

SIDEWALK DIVISION OR SOMETHING, ALONG WITH STREET PAVING.

SO COUNCILMAN CITRO.

14:35:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

VIK, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN THE MOBILITY

DEPARTMENT.

YOU ARE MY GO-TO GUY WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING MOBILITY, AND

I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME SO FAR.

I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ALLOWING ME TO GO TO




THE DEPARTMENT HEAD DIRECTLY AND THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE THE

ADMINISTRATION THAT WE HAVE NOW FOR THAT.

MY CONCERN, VIK, AND I SPOKE WITH YOU MANY, MANY TIMES,

BECAUSE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD IS NOT BUSING

STUDENTS WITHIN A TWO-MAIL RADIUS OF ANY SCHOOL, WE HAVE

CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET TO GET TO SCHOOL.

NOT ONLY IN WEST TAMPA, NOT ONLY IN EAST TAMPA, NOT ONLY IN

SOUTH TAMPA, BUT ALL OVER THE CITY.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE MOTHERS PUSHING THEIR CARRIAGES IN THE

STREET.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS WHY WE

CAN AND CANNOT PUT SIDEWALKS IN.

TREES, DITCHES.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WHEN WE STOP HAVING

CONTRACTORS PUT IN A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE, I

UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE FOR OUR SIDEWALKS, THAT THE

SIDEWALK IS NOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW ARE WE GOING

TO MAINTAIN IT?

NOW COMES THE QUESTION.

THERE IS A BUNCH OF CITIES DOING IMPERVIOUS SIDEWALKS NOW.

THERE IS A RUBBER TRACK ON MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE THAT

STRETCHES FOR MILES.

AND THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN GOING ON THE BASE

FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, NOTHING HAS RUINED THAT.




WE ARE TALKING CONCRETE.

MY VISION IS TO GET CHILDREN OFF THE STREET, GET MOTHERS OFF

THE STREET PUSHING THEIR STROLLERS.

IS THERE ANY OTHER MATERIAL THAT WE CAN USE THAT DON'T COST

$75 A LINEAR FOOT THAT IS IMPERVIOUS WHERE THE ROOTS OF

TREES STILL GET THEIR WATER AND ARE DISRUPTED?

FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, VIK, BUT IS THERE SOME OTHER MATERIAL

THAT WE CAN USE TO MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND ONTO

SIDEWALKS TO MAKE IT SAFE?

14:37:39 >>VIK BHIDE:
THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS TO BUILD SIDEWALKS WITH.

THEY ARE RUBBERIZED MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE SHOCK ABSORBENT

AND IMPERVIOUS AS WELL, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS, WE HAVE

IN THE PAST, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR NATURAL

RESOURCES TEAM, AND THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING DIVISION,

TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO ROLL THE SIDEWALKS THAT

WE NEED WITHIN THE CITY?

AND ALSO MAINTAIN OUR STREET GRID, AND ALSO FROM THE

TRANSPORTATION FUNCTION.

THE RIGHT SHAPE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND --

14:38:40 >>> COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

DO YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP?

14:38:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY GOT AN ANSWER FROM

VIK.




IF I COULD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I WAS JUST ASKING, WHAT

OTHER WAYS CAN WE POSSIBLY HAVE?

TO HAVE A SIDEWALK SYSTEM, CONCRETE OR OTHERWISE?

14:38:58 >>VIK BHIDE:
THE THREE WAYS THAT I MENTIONED RIGHT NOW ARE

THE ONES THAT COME TO MIND BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER

CITIES ARE DOING.

WE ARE NOT ALONE WITH THIS CHALLENGE FUNDINGWISE AND WE WILL

COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU WHAT WE FIND, IF YOU WISH, IN

ABOUT SIX MONTHS.

14:39:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU, VIK.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

14:39:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO GO?

OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT?

CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION THEN.

14:39:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
GETTING BACK TO THE SIDEWALK, THE SHERIFF

HAS A WORK PROGRAM NOW, PRISONERS HAVE WORK PROGRAMS.

MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE RETURNING BACK AND GETTING

INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN GET SOME HELP AND CUT COSTS

IN THAT WAY BY GOING TO THE SHERIFF, ASKING THE WORK CREW TO

HELP US WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THE SMALL PROJECTS TO

CUT OUR COSTS DOWN.

AND THAT WAY, PEOPLE GET A TRADE.

NOW YOU HAVE A JOB,

SO EXPLORE THOSE TYPES OF OPTIONS, TOO, TO GET THE 600,

BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS.




WE CAN'T BE AFRAID TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND GIVE

EVERYONE A HAND.

I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT BY GETTING WITH THE SHERIFF, GETTING

WITH DOC, AND THEY HAVE GOT TO LAY MUD.

WITH THIS ASTRONOMICAL FEE, SUPERVISED BY THE SHERIFF,

SUPERVISED BY DOC, AND GET OUT THERE AND WORK ON SOME OF

THESE PROJECTS.

THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

I SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN OTHER CITIES THEY DO IT.

SO JUST A THOUGHT.

14:40:47 >>VIK BHIDE:
I APPRECIATE IT, COUNCILMAN.

AND WE WILL THINK OUTSIDE THE BOCA CIEGA AND COME UP WITH

CREATIVE IDEAS.

I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH TRAFFIC

SIGNALS AND OTHER PROJECTS.

STARTING THIS YEAR, WE ARE SHIFTING FROM THE LIVE CAPITAL

PROJECTS, MAKING ONE OR TWO, WHICH ARE ALSO IMPORTANT

BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS FALLING APART IN SOME CASES,

TO QUICK BUILD PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO DO MORE

PROJECTS, MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW,

TO REACH THE COMMUNITY AND DO WHAT WE CAN.

AND ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WITHIN THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR, OR

RATHER FROM LAST MARCH TO THIS MARCH, WE HAVE CONVERTED 73

INTERSECTIONS TO CONTROL.

THE CONTRACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR




PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS.

SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN, AND WE'LL LOOK FOR CREATIVE

IDEAS.

AND WITH SIGNALS WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE STARTED PUTTING IN

TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNALS, SUPERVISED TRAFFIC CONTROLS,

UNTIL WE CAN BUILD TOGETHER IN THE BUDGET LIKE WITH SIDEWALK

FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL.

SO WE'LL DO THE SAME WITH SIDEWALKS.

I MAKE THAT COMMITMENT.

14:42:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
THANK YOU.

14:42:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
CONTINUE ON WITH THE PRESENTATION.

14:42:21 >>VIK BHIDE:
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS -- AND I WILL MOVE FAST THROUGH THIS.

NEXT SLIDE.

AGAIN, THIS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, MORE DANGEROUS

REGION FOR BIKES AND PEDS.

WE WON'T GET INTO THAT.

NEXT SLIDE.

TAMPA MOVES PROGRAM.

YOU HAVE PRESENTED WITH THE BASICS, BUT THE IDEA OF THIS

PROGRAM IS DRIVEN BY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND DRIVEN BY THE

FACT THAT WE ARE RAPIDLY GROWING AND NEED TO KEEP UP WITH

THE CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME.

SO THE PLAN ITSELF IS A 30-YEAR VISION FOR MOBILITY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.




THE FIRST ASPECT OF THIS PLAN IS LISTEN FIRST SESSION, AS

THESE THINGS COME ON.

AND THE IDEA AGAIN IS THE STANDARD AND PRIORITIES, AND

CREATE A VISION OR TEMPLATE TO THE POINT THAT THE COUNCILMAN

MADE EARLIER, THAT IF WE KNOW WHAT GOES WHERE BASED ON WHAT

THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WE CAN PROGRAM THINGS A LITTLE BETTER.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THESE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

MOBILITY FOR ALL.

OPPORTUNITY.

VISION.

EQUITY.

AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THESE ARE KIND OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE ARE

LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HOW WE PRIORITIZE.

WE PRIORITIZE REGIONAL ROUTES, BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE ARE

MORE PEDESTRIAN, THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, AND THE NEXT

THING, EXISTING SIDEWALKS.

PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, SCHOOLS, ADA ACCESS, COMMUNITIES

CONCERNED FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT.

WE MAY NOT RECEIVE THAT MANY COMPLAINTS FROM CERTAIN

COMMUNITIES BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE FLEXIBILITY -- PROXIMITY ACROSS

NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PUBLIC SAFETY.




SO PRIORITIZING HIGH SPEED ROADS, EVEN AS WE WORK TO CALM

THOSE DOWN IN DECIDE AND SPEED REDUCTION AND OTHER MEASURES.

AND CERTAINLY ESTABLISHING VISION ZERO CORRIDORS.

NEXT SLIDE.

THESE ARE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE.

HERE ACROSS TWO CATEGORIES AND WEIGHTED.

THE EXACT WEIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED AFTER THE PROCESS IS

COMPLETE BUT THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS.

AND EVEN AS WE SPEAK, WE ARE HOLDING THESE LISTENING

SESSIONS TO ADD ANY OTHER PARAMETERS OR ANY PERFORMANCE

MEASURES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE IS MUCH

MORE NEED, EVEN IF THERE ISN'T A LOT OF COMPLAINTS IN OUR

600 PLUS CONCERNS.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND THAT'S THE END OF THIS SECTION.

ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION MORE "MOVES"?

14:46:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO?

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA?

14:46:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND I KNOW THIS MEETING WITH THE CRA, AND PROSPECTIVE NEEDS

BUT IN SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED, AS YOU

WELL KNOW, THE CRA IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US THAT LIVE

IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.




POSSIBLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THE CRA THAT MANAGE

THE CRA, THAT GUIDE THE CRA THROUGH THE FUNDING MECHANISM,

AND FOR WORK DELIVERED.

I WOULD HOPE BY LISTENING TO THIS TODAY, AND POSSIBLY THEY

CAN PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THEIR PRODUCT BEING ASKED INTO

THE SIDEWALK PLAN TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I AM NOT TRYING TO TELL THEM OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I AM

JUST ASKING FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IT, TAKE A REAL GOOD LOOK AT

THE AREA THAT THEY REPRESENT, FIND OUT THROUGH YOUR WORK,

FIND OUT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED WITHIN THE C, AND

SEE IF WE CAN HELP THEM HELP THEMSELVES BY HAVING SOME OF

THAT MONEY, NOT ALL OF IT, OF COURSE, BUT SOME OF THAT

MONEY, 30% TO GO INTO SIDEWALKS.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

I'M NOT AGAINST SIDEWALKS.

I'M FOR SIDEWALKS IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER.

AND I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE FACING A LOT OF CHALLENGES FROM YOU

BUILT A SIDEWALK OR YOU FIX A STREET.

AND I UNDERSTAND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO

START -- DO THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS, ANY CONNECTIVITY?

HOW FAR IS IT?

HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS DO THEY NEED WITHIN A SQUARE BLOCK?

IF JUST ONE PERSON OR TWO PERSONS COULD GET TOGETHER YOU

COULD HAVE AT LEAST AN IDEA.

I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE PERFECT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE.




BUT IF YOU PUT THOSE FIGURES OVER, COULD YOU FIND OUT

EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED WITH VERY LITTLE MONEY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

14:47:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN GUDES.

14:48:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. MIRANDA.

FOR YEARS THE EAST TAMPA CRA HAS GIVEN MONEY TO

TRANSPORTATION TO DO ROADS.

AND THAT'S WHAT KEPT EAST TAMPA A LITTLE BIT.

WE STILL HAVE SO CHALLENGES BUT EACH YEAR THEY HAVE GIVEN

MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALIGN ITEM IN THE CRA EAST TAMPA.

THERE USED TO BE ALIGN ITEM REFERENCE TO SIDEWALKS.

AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO SAYING, THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE, AS

MR. MIRANDA SAID, THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY IS FOR,

INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.

CITY CAN'T DO IT ALL BUT THAT MONEY ISN'T GOING INTO THE

GENERAL FUND, IT'S GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY FROM THE CRA TO

BE UTILIZED FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, WE HAVE WEST TAMPA, A COUPLE OF

FOLKS ABOUT THOSE SAME ISSUES.

I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN TALK TO MS. VAN LOAN TO SEE WHAT

THOSE LINE ITEMS ARE, IDENTIFY THOSE COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE

CRA TO START DOING SIDEWALKS.

BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHEN I SAY APPRENTICESHIP,

ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND LOOKING AT THE SHERIFF AND DOC TO BE




ABLE TO HELP IN THOSE CRAs, BECAUSE FROM THEY'RE MIGHT BE

A CERTAIN GUIDELINE OR WHATEVER, BUT THE CRA DOESN'T.

AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS TO WORK, WHO KNOW HOW TO

LEAVE MUD AND GET SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE.

AGAIN LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES IN THIS POINT.

THANK YOU AGAIN, SIR.

14:49:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
VIK, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR

PRESENTATION, OR DO YOU STILL HAVE MORE?

14:49:30 >>VIK BHIDE:
I STILL HAVE --

14:49:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
OKAY, I'LL WAIT TILL THE END.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

14:49:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

14:49:39 >>VIK BHIDE:
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

IN THIS SECTION WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED

CHANGES, OR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS FROM WALK/BIKE TAMPA, AND

OUR REVIEW.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH WALK/BIKE TAMPA OVER

THE LAST, I WOULD SAY, ABOUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT THEY BROUGHT OUT.

AND THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE.

I THANK WALK/BIKE TAMPA FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FORE,

BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT IN-HOUSE FOR

SURE, BESIDES JUST THE POLICIES AS WELL.

WE ALSO MET WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, AND HAD




A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM SUBSEQUENT TO THAT AS WELL,

AND OF COURSE WE HAVE WORKED WITH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS

WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

PRIMARILY, OUR DEVELOPMENT IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR WHAT

USED TO BE THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION, BECAUSE THEY

DO A LOT OF THE PERMITTING FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT IMPACT,

THE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS ALMOST ALWAYS BUILD SIDEWALKS.

I THINK FROM 2013 THROUGH 2021, THERE'S BEEN MANY ADA

PROJECTS, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, IN THE IN-LIEU OPTION,

BIKE/WALK.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS THE DATA WE RECEIVED, THE CHART FROM THE RIGHT,

DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THAT BASICALLY SHOWS

RESIDENTIAL NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ADDITION, AND THE PERMIT

WITH AND WITHOUT SIDEWALKS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2020, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THE DATA SHOWS IS

THAT 35 DEVELOPMENTS THAT NEVER RECEIVE IN-LIEU FEES WHICH

MEANS THEY WANT TO BE AN REPLY FOR IT, AND AT THE END OF THE

PROJECT, THEY PAID FOR IT BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR CERTIFICATE

OF OCCUPANCY.

THE OTHER 2021, AND 2020, WAS JUST A LINE ON THE BAR CHART.

THAT REPRESENTS ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT

DID NOT FORMALLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IN-LIEU.

SO THEY EITHER BUILT SIDEWALKS, OR THEY MAY HAVE NOT BUILT




THE SIDEWALK FOR AN EXEMPTION.

AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DATA MORE IN-DEPTH AS WELL.

I KNOW THAT OUR PARTNERS ARE WORKING ON AN UPGRADE TO ACCELA

WITH DOCUMENTS, A LOT OF THE DATA, AND WILL REQUIRE ABOUT 6

TO 9 MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL DEALS WITHIN

ACCELA TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THIS DATA BETTER, AND OF COURSE

ANY CODE REVISION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CODIFIED.

BUT THE STORY HERE IN ESSENCE IS THAT IT'S RESIDENTIAL UNITS

FOR THE MOST PART THAT ARE CONSIDERED FOR THE IN-LIEU

PROCESS, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALMOST ALWAYS BUILD

SIDEWALKS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THE PROPOSED CODE MODIFICATIONS FOR WALK/BIKE TAMPA.

THE FIRST ONE WAS AN AMENDMENT OR MODIFICATION TO SECTION

22-103 AND THIS RELATES TO REQUIRING SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION

WITHIN TWO MILES SCHOOL.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS CHANGE ISN'T NEEDED BECAUSE

IT'S A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT.

CURRENT CODE ALREADY REQUIRES THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL AND

COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES MUST BUILD A SIDEWALK, UNLESS THERE

ARE EXEMPTIONS, OR UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHERS.

SO THIS PART IS ALREADY COVER.

THE OTHER PART, IF WE DID APPLY OUR RULES, IN ESSENCE THAT

WOULD REQUIRE COVER THE ENTIRE CITY, THE UNFINISHED SECTION,

IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.




NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THE NEXT CODE MODIFICATION, THIS IS THE CONNECTIVITY

ISSUE, SO IF YOU ARE BUILDING A HOME ON THE STREET WHERE

THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ALREADY, HAVING SAID BEFORE 40-FOOT

OF SIDEWALK ISN'T GOING TO HELP THAT STREET AS MUCH.

WE DO HAVE CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION,

AND WE RECOMMEND ADVISING TO ALLOW IN-LIEU FEE PAYMENT IF

THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS PRESENT ALONG THE PROPERTY.

BUT THIS DOES NEED A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION.

WITH UNHOUSE TEAMS AND SO ON.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND THIS WAS 22-103, AND A-3, AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA, A

RECOMMENDATION FOR EXEMPTION FOR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NOT

LOCAL STREETS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS ALSO PROVIDING DEVELOPERS WITH AN OPTION,

BASICALLY CONSTRUCT AN EQUAL LENGTH OF SIDEWALK AT A HIGHER

PRIORITY LOCATION.

THE PRIORITY WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN PART OF THE MOVES

PROCESS.

THIS GIVES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.

BUT IT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT.

BUT THIS WILL BRING FLEXIBILITY TO THE PROGRAM, AND ALSO

ENSURE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE ACTUALLY GETTING BUILT.

WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO DIRECT THEM TO A CENTRAL LOCATION

TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE.




SO THIS IS A CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE A

CONNECTION PROBLEM.

THIS IS ON AZEELE CLOSE TO DALE MABRY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIDEWALKS DO NOT CONNECT.

SO IT MAY HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMETIMES.

PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THE PROCESS NEEDS TO IMPROVE

IN WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, AND THAT IS NOT HOW

SIDEWALK INSTALLATIONS ARE GETTING INSPECTED IN THE FIELD,

AND THAT INSPECTION IS CRITICAL.

AND DID YOU GET INSPECTED WHEN A PERMIT IS PULLED?

AND THAT'S ALSO A FUNCTION OF CODING IN ACCELA.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS THERE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

INTERFERENCE

SO THIS RELATES TO IN-LIEU FEE AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA FROM 29

TO $68.

OUR RECOMMENDATION, IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE IT, LET'S

INCREASE IT TO 75 BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER WE KNOW WHAT IT

COSTS US.

THE OTHER IS THIS $75 DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN

IN ALL OF THAT W WHICH AN INCREASE IS SIGNIFICANT AND CAN

DOUBLE IT.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER THE $75 PER LINEAR




FOOT.

WE KNOW THIS IS HEY, BUT THESE ARE ACTUAL COSTS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

22-103-C, AND PARTICULARLY RELATED TO REMOVING THE EXEMPTION

OF PROXIMITY TO GRAND TREES.

IN CONFERRING WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, THIS CAN BE SOMEWHAT

PROBLEMATIC, BECAUSE THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH ACCOMMODATING

SIDEWALKS, AND THOSE CHALLENGES, RIGHTS-OF-WAY, ARE MOST

EFFICIENT.

AND WE KNOW THAT WE OURSELVES ARE FACED WITH THESE

CHALLENGES, AND TO IMPOSE THEM ON A DEVELOPER WOULDN'T BE

EQUITABLE IN THAT SENSE.

WHAT WE DO RECOMMEND IS MODIFYING THE LANGUAGE AND REQUIRING

ACCOMMODATION SO LONG AS ADA COMPLIANCE CAN BE OBTAINED, AND

THAT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER COLLABORATION.

THIS IS ALSO RESPONSIVE COLLABORATION AT THIS TIME.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO SECTION 22-103-C, AND THIS HAS TO DO

WITH STORMWATER DITCHES AND TO REMOVE THE EXEMPTION.

THIS RECOMMENDATION WE DO NOT SUPPORT.

ONLY BECAUSE FOR ONCE YOU HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE

THE PICTURE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AN

EXISTING SIDEWALK, IF YOU UNEXPECTED IT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN

CAUGHT.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH DITCHES.




AND AGAIN, NOT ALL DITCHES ARE DANGEROUS.

AND THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO DITCHES AS WELL IN TERMS OF

WATER AND DRAINAGE.

SO I WOULDN'T RULE OUT DITCHES ALTOGETHER.

PARTICULARLY AROUND MANAGEMENT OF WATER QUALITY AND

STORMWATER, BUT ALSO COST IS A FACTOR.

SO STORMWATER, AND WE CAN'T DO SEGMENT BY SEGMENT.

WE RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SUGGESTION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE NEXT PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS TO SECTION E-4 OF CHAPTER

22-103, AND THIS REQUIRES THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD APPROVE

THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CERTAIN EXEMPTION.

AND OUR CONCERN HERE IS THIS WOULD ADD SIGNIFICANT TIME TO

THE PROJECT AND COSTS, AND SO AT THIS TIME WE RECOMMEND THAT

WE NOT CONSIDER THIS AND WE MOVE FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS WE GREATLY AGREE WITH.

IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY WITH REGULAR REPORTING OF STATUS AND

USE OF SIDEWALK TRUST FUND.

CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT REPORT ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS COLLECTED

AND HOW THESE ARE UTILIZED VERY WELL.

IT'S DONE FOR THE CIP PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF

DETAILS, AND WE DO NEED TO DO THAT.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO AS WELL.

WE NEED TO CAPTURE BETTER DATA FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE




THROUGH ACCELA AND THROUGH OUR PARTNERS IN DEVELOPMENT,

GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

IN-HOUSE, WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER PLAN FOR HOUSING.

AS COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED, GETTING CREATIVE, AND JUST IN

GENERAL, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS WERE BUILT

LAST YEAR.

SO WE NEED TO WORK AT SEVERAL LEVELS.

WE HAVE IDENTIFIED MANY AREAS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON,

INCLUDING INSPECTION, INCLUDING ACCELA, AND WE WILL BE

WORKING ON IT.

THE TIMELINE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH IS SIX TO NINE MONTHS

FOR THE ACCELA UPGRADE TO HAPPEN SO WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME

OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND MOVE ACCORDINGLY.

WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT ON WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE MADE TO

THE PROCESS WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME IDENTIFIED BY DEVELOPMENT

REVIEW.

SO WE ARE NOT TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE NOT

TRANSPARENT TO OURSELVES.

WE NEED TO FIX THIS AND I COMMIT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, COUNCIL.

NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR.

SO I WON'T REALLY DWELL INTO THE TOPIC, BUT I AM HAPPY AT

THIS POINT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DISCUSSION

PORTION.

NEXT SLIDE.




THANK YOU.

15:03:32 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION?

15:03:35 >>VIK BHIDE:
YES, SIR.

15:03:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

15:03:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, VIK.

WHOEVER IS RUNNING THE SLIDE, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE?

SO I THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS CAREFULLY, BUT I JUST

WANTED TO GO OVER REALLY A CRITICAL POLICY ISSUE, AND MR.

SHELBY REMIND US OFTEN THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS POLICY AS

RELATED TO OUR CODE.

WHAT MR. BHIDE SHOWED US EARLIER IS THAT 98% OF THE

SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION OPTED FOR THE IN-LIEU PAYMENT.

OKAY.

98% OF SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION LAST YEAR AND THE NUMBERS

I SAW UP THERE SAID SOMETHING LIKE, I THINK, 2200 OPTED FOR

IN-LIEU VERSUS THE 35.

SO THEY OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT IT WAS A BETTER DEAL TO PAY THAT

$29 PER LINEAR FOOT AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING --

15:04:43 >>VIK BHIDE:
IF I --

15:04:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I'M SORRY?

15:04:47 >>VIK BHIDE:
IF I COULD CLARIFY THE INFORMATION.

IT WAS THE 35 PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND FOLLOWED THE PROCESS.

THE 2021, OR 2021 CASES, THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND




PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE IN ORDER TO GET THEIR CO.

SO WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH EACH OF THOSE

CASES, BUT IT'S LIKELY THEY EITHER BUILT THE SIDEWALK, OR A

SIDEWALK WAS NOT BUILT FOR SOME REASON.

15:05:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

SO THE WORDING WAS VERY, VERY CONFUSING THEN IN TERMS OF

THAT GRAPH, IN TERMS OF IN-LIEU VERSUS NOT IN LIEU.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE 35 WENT FOR THE IN-LAW, AND THE

OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T.

SO THEN THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION, IS HOW MANY FOLKS

SOUGHT AN EXCEPTION?

HOW MANY FOLKS WERE WAIVED OUT OF THE 2200, HOW MANY OF

THOSE WERE WAIVED FROM DOING -- FROM DOING -- I DON'T KNOW

WHO IS TALKING.

BUT FROM DOING THEIR SIDEWALKS THAT WERE REQUIRED.

THEY WERE WAIVED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONNECTIVITY.

IS THAT A POSSIBILITY UNDER THE CODE?

YOU CAN ANSWER IN A SECOND.

HERE IS MY POINT, IS RIGHT NOW, THE CODE AND TWO OR THREE

DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN 22-103 SAYS, IF YOU

LOOK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK TODAY,

THEN WE DON'T REALLY CARE, THAT WE DON'T REALLY CARE, OKAY?

AND THE REALITY IS, IN MANY, MANY PLACES AROUND THE CITY,

INCLUDING LIKE LET'S SAY VIRGINIA PARK, OKAY, TEN YEARS AGO

YOU COULD LOOK, AND THERE WAS NO DEMO, THERE WAS NO




TEAR-DOWN, THERE WAS NO NOTHING.

NOW HALF THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN F.EACH ONE OF THOSE

HAD A SIDEWALK PUT IN, WE WOULD ALMOST HAVE A CONNECTED

SIDEWALK AND A CONNECTED STREET.

THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE NEW PEOPLE WHO BUILT THOSE

BIG NEW HOUSES.

BUT IT'S NOT JUST VIRGINIA PARK.

NOW IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY THAT WE HAVE GOT KNOCK DOWNS, AND

YET WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

YOU ARE JUST THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET.

WHEN THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET OPENS WE KNOW THEY ARE

NOT GOING TO BE THE LAST, AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT, AND WE

NEED TO FIX IT NOW AND WE NEED TO FIX IT IN THE CODE.

AND THAT I THINK IS WHAT THE WALK/BIKE TAMPA PEOPLE HAVE

BEEN TELLING US.

VIK, GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE IN A -- WE

DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE 2200 PEOPLE.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM BUILT A SIDEWALK.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION.

I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE NOT QUANTIFYING THAT.

I SEE MS. FEELEY'S HAND IS UP, MR. CHAIRMAN.

15:07:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SAW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S HAND UP

BEFORE.

15:07:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
CHARLIE, YOUR MIKE IS OFF.




15:07:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UNMUTE YOURSELF.

15:07:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
I THINK MY PROBLEM WAS I DID TO MYSELF.

15:08:09 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE FOR A

MOMENT? I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO 2200, THOSE ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERMITS.

THERE ARE 35 THAT ELECTED OR REQUESTED THE IN-LIEU.

THE OTHER 2200 BUILT THE SIDEWALK.

15:08:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
RIGHT.

VIK CLARIFIED THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

THERE WERE SEVERAL DOUBLE NEGATIVES IN THERE AND THAT'S WHY

I GOT MESSED UP.

15:08:36 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
OKAY.

2200 -- 2200 INSTALLED.

ONLY 35 OF THE TOTAL PERMITS ISSUED LAST YEAR REQUESTED THE

IN-LIEU AND PAID THE IN-LAW.

15:08:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
BUT WHAT YOU SAID IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT

VIK SAID.

VIK SAID OUT OF THE 2200 WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUALLY

INSTALLED.

HE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

15:08:59 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THE 2200, IT IS EITHER YOU INSTALL OR YOU

ARE ONE OF THE 35.

15:09:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OR YOU ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION.

15:09:11 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
NO.

THE 35 ARE THE EXCEPTION.




15:09:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IN-LIEU

EXCEPTION.

15:09:16 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THEY HAVE TO PAY IN-LIEU.

THERE IS NO OTHER EXCEPTION.

15:09:23 >>VIK BHIDE:
I WOULD DEFER TO ABBEY ON THIS BECAUSE SHE

WOULD KNOW MORE THAN I.

15:09:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
SO THEY DO 500, 13 PERMITS AND 5 PAID THE

IN-LIEU.

ALL THE REST ARE BUILDING THE SIDEWALKS.

THERE IS NO, I DON'T BUILD A SIDEWALK AND I DON'T PAY.

15:09:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OKAY.

I AM GOING TO LOOK AT THE CODE REAL QUICK AND GET BACK TO

YOU ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY I REMEMBER IT.

15:09:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ANYBODY ELSE?

15:09:55 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THOSE SELECTED THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU

TODAY.

15:09:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

15:10:01 >>BILL CARLSON:
VIK, I APPRECIATE THE CHEAT SHEET HERE, BUT

I HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION UP HERE SO I AM GOING TO GO PAGE BY

PAGE IF I COULD TO GET BACK TO IT BECAUSE IT'S SO

COMPLICATED.

IN GENERAL, I WANT TO SAY I AM VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE

THAT WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THIS WE COMMIT OURSELVES TO

HAVING SIDEWALKS.

I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS NOT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.




ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GET IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING

THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, CUTTING THROUGH, OR TRYING TO CUT

MacDILL OR BAYSHORE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY ARE SPEEDING

THROUGH, AND KIDS AND FAMILIES AT RISK, AND WE NEED TO

FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

SO NUMBER ONE WAS THE REQUIRED SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION WITHIN

TWO MILES OF THE SCHOOL.

I HAVE HEARD REPORTS, I DON'T KNOW FIRST HAND, BUT I HAVE

HEARD REPORTS WHERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED CROSSWALKS BECAUSE

NOT A SIDEWALK AND SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS SAID I DON'T WANT

A SIDEWALK BECAUSE QUOTE-UNQUOTE, THOSE PEOPLE WALK IN FRONT

OF MY HOUSE.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE.

IT'S ALL RIGHT, WE CAN BUILD A SIDEWALK WHEREVER WE WANT.

I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT CERTAIN

PEOPLE WALKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE THAT WE SHOULD

REQUIRE KIDS AND FAMILIES TO NOT HAVE CROSSWALKS TO SAFELY

CROSSROADS RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOLS AND THAT THEY SHOULD

HAVE TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

AND SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION COMING UP ABOUT THAT, TOO.

WHERE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS DO NOT EXIST, I THINK WE SHOULD

ABSOLUTELY SHOULD REMOVE THEM. IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD,

WHICH IS PRETTY NICE STREETS, MY KIDS AND I, WHEN THERE ARE

DISJOINTED SEGMENTS OF SIDEWALKS, BUT THE CARS AND TRUCKS GO




THROUGH SO QUICKLY THAT IF I GET A CHANCE TO WALK ON A

SIDEWALK, I AM GOING TO TAKE IT EVERY WILL TIME BECAUSE IT'S

TOO DANGEROUS TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

EVEN IF WE ARE WALKING ON A SIDEWALK JUST IN FRONT OF TWO

HOUSES THOSE TWO SIDEWALKS MIGHT SAVE SOMEBODY'S LIVES

BECAUSE THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

I THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT

CONTIGUOUS.

YOU SAID MAKING SURE THEY ALIGNED PROPERLY SO MAYBE THERE'S

SOME DESIGN PROCESS THERE.

REMOVING SIDEWALKS, YOU TALKED ABOUT STAFF PROVIDING AN

ALTERNATIVE WHERE DEVELOPERS COULD OFFER TO PAY FOR

SIDEWALKS EQUAL LENGTH IN SCHOOL PRIORITY ZONES.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BUT I WOULD RATHER FIRST MAKE

SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF THEY ARE THE FIRST ON THE

STREET, LIKE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD

OVER TIME WILL DEVELOP SIDEWALKS, AND WE NEED FOLKS WITH

NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES WANT SIDEWALKS.

AND SO WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE AND BUILD THEM.

THEN YOU GO TO DOUBLE THE IN-LIEU FEE.

IF IT'S $75, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE

MANAGEMENT FEE AND WHATEVER.

THAT MEANS THE REAL COST IS PROBABLY 100 TO $150 SO WE

SHOULD CHARGE MORE THAN $75.

WE SHOULD CHARGE THE ACTUAL COST WHICH IS PROBABLY 100 TO




$125.

WE SHOULD NOT LET ANYBODY PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE THAT'S NOT --

THE ACTUAL COST OF BUILDING A SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

REMOVE EXEMPTIONS FOR PROXIMITY.

MY STREET IS FULL OF GRAND OAKS.

AND I WOULD NEVER PROPOSE TEARING THEM DOWN. I DON'T KNOW

WHAT THE SOLUTION IS THERE SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN

OPINION.

I WISH WE COULD FIND A WAY TO GET AROUND THEM.

SOMETHING.

BUT IT HAS TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND WE CAN'T ENDANGER TREES,

AND BRANCHES GROW, THEY RIP UP THE SIDEWALKS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU ALL COULD FIGURE THAT OUT.

REMOVE AN EXEMPTION, WATER DITCHES.

I WOULD LIKE THE REQUIREMENT TO SAY THAT WHOEVER BUILD ON

THOSE STREETS WOULD HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD PAY

TO REDO THAT STORMWATER DRAIN, SO THERE COULD BE A SIDEWALK.

YOU AND I HAVE MET IN NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE WHERE THERE IS A

STORMWATER, AND THEY NEED TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON TOP.

COUNCILMEMBER MANISCALCO TALKED ABOUT THAT IN WEST TAMPA.

THEY ARE REALLY DANGEROUS.

AND SOMEWHERE WE HAVE TO START.

IF THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY IT, SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIX

THE PROBLEM.




EXEMPTIONS MUST GO TO APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL, PUBLIC

HEARING.

WE HAVE ATTACH ON OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE NEED TO

SET UP HAIR THRESHOLD, IF NOT CITY COUNCIL, THERE NEED TO BE

SOME HIGHER THRESHOLD, COST MAY BE PART OF IT, MAYBE SOME

OTHER PROCESS TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO OPT OUT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE MRS. FEELEY'S NUMBERS THAT IT'S NOT THAT BIG

OF A PROBLEM OF PEOPLE OPTING OUT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE

WE MANDATE SIDEWALKS.

TRANSPARENCY THERE, WERE RESUMES THAT THIS FUND WAS RAIDED

YEARS AGO FOR OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED

OR NOT.

BUT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW, AND THIS IS ALL SIDES.

THE PEOPLE, THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PAYING, THEY WANT TO KNOW

THAT THE FUNDS ARE GOING WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO SO I

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO THAT.

AND I WILL BE QUIET.

THANK YOU.

15:15:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT I WAS THINKING OF WAS THE

STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MONEY.

I KNOW IT'S DEDICATED TO STORMWATER WORK.

BUT OUT OF THAT CAN WE HELP BUILD SIDEWALKS?

AND ALSO WITH PIPES, WHICH IS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR

PROJECT, WE ARE TEARING UP ROADS, GOING TO BE REPAVING




ROADS, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME MONEY TO PERHAPS COVER

SOME OF THOSE DITCHES IN WEST TAMPA.

AND UNLESS EVERYTHING IS GOING TO GO OVER BUDGET, WE DON'T

KNOW, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO

THE BILLIONS WHERE WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALLOCATING IF POSSIBLE

MONEY TOWARDS SIDEWALKS.

ANYBODY ELSE?

15:15:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
LET THE VOICE OF REASON, COUNCILMAN

MIRANDA, GO FIRST.

15:15:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.

15:15:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
YOU DON'T KNOW IF I AM THE VOICE OF

REASON OR NOT, BUT I CAN SAY THIS.

I AM NOT A LAWYER, EITHER.

AND I CAN TELL WITH YOU THING, ONCE YOU BUY SOMETHING, WHEN

YOU BUY BONDS, YOU HAVE TO SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE BONDING

IS, AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN ONLY USE THAT MONEY, ONLY

FOR WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO USE IT FOR.

AT THE END OF THE BONDING PROCESS, YOU HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT

OVER, AND YOU HAVE FACILITATED THAT THE PUBLIC NOW IS PAYING

FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, EITHER IN THE

WATER USE OR THE USE OF WATER BONDED HOWARD STERN PLANT AND

HAVE A FEE THAT TAKES THAT FRONT PART, LOAD IT, AND WE PAY

47%, WE BONDED OUT 52% IF I RECALL.

SO IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, THE OPINION FROM A STREET LAWYER,

YOU CANNOT USE THAT MONEY UNLESS IT'S FOR SPECIFICALLY WHAT




YOU BONDED IT OUT FOR.

15:16:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD MENTIONED, IF WE

ARE NOT OVER BUDGET AND WHATNOT, IF THERE'S ANY MONEY LEFT

OVER, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- [INTERFERENCE].

ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE?

15:17:07 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
AGAIN, IF I MAY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS GETTING

CHILDREN OFF THE STREET THAT ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, MOTHERS

WITH BABY CARRIAGES.

THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN.

I DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER PRIOR GOVERNMENTS, WHETHER IT

BE LOCAL OR OTHERWISE.

A FAMOUS POLITICIAN ONCE TOLD ME THAT EVERY POLITICIAN MAKES

HIS DECISION WHAT THEY FEEL IS RIGHT AT THE TIME.

THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO HELP CONNECT OUR

SIDEWALKS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT CANNOT BE

CONNECTED.

THE IRONY IN TODAY'S MEETING, AND PEOPLE CAN BEAT ME UP FOR

THIS OR NOT, I AM A BELIEVER IN CLIMATIC CHANGE.

BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING, A POLICY THAT WE HAD FOR

SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW.

THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR SIDEWALK AND THE NEED FOR THEM,

BECAUSE OF CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET, IS HERE TODAY,

RIGHT NOW.




THIS NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT.

AND THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

AGAIN, THINGS WERE DIFFERENT EARLIER.

I AM NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THIS.

THANK YOU.

15:18:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, BRING IT IN FOR

A LANDING.

15:18:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I WILL BRING IT IN.

15:18:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE MR. MICHELINI ON THE SECOND

FLOOR WANTED TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

15:18:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
HE'S WILLIAM COME TO EARLIER.

THAT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S PREROGATIVE.

IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK, THE RELEVANT SIDEWALK

CODE, 22-102 -- EXCUSE ME, 103, AND I LOOKED AT IT LAST

NIGHT, AND I LOOKED AT IT AGAIN JUST NOW, AND THIS IS WHAT I

WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE.

AND IF I AM WRONG, LEGAL CAN JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME OR

ANYBODY ELSE.

BUT 22-103-G-2 SAYS THE FOLLOWING:

IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF

A SIDEWALK IS "NOT PRACTICAL AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBSECTION C

OR D OF ABOVE AND THE CITY'S CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION

AND THE PERMIT IS BEING ISSUED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY

RESIDENTIAL, THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION




FUND SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING

INSTANCES."

AND THEN I JUMP DOWN TO 2.

AND 2 HAS THREE PRONGS.

SO THAT SINGLE-FAMILY BUILDER HAS TO MEET THESE THREE PRONGS

AND THEN HE CAN ASK CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO WAIVE THE FEE.

THOSE THREE TONGS ARE AS FOLLOWED.

THE PERMIT IS ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE-FAMILY

RESIDENTIAL HOME LOCATED ON A LOCAL ROAD.

THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

AND MOST SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE BUILT ON LOCAL ROADS.

2, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT LOCAL ROAD ABUTTING THE

SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS MEASURED LINEARLY ON

THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

OKAY.

SO IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND HE OR SHE IS THE

FIRST BUILDER ON THAT STREET AND YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE

STREET AND THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD,

HE SATISFIES THE SECOND PRONG.

AND THE THIRD PRONG SAYS, AND THE CITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT

PLAN RELATIVE TO SIDEWALKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PLANS FOR

FUNDING OR CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS ON THE ABUTTING

LOCAL ROAD WITHIN THREE BLOCKS IN EITHER DIRECTION.

OKAY.




THAT'S FINE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY'S CAPITAL

IMPROVEMENT PLAN STATES SPECIFICALLY.

BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER G-2 IN OUR CODE FOR

DEVELOPERS TO NOT PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE IF THERE'S NO OTHER

SIDEWALK GOING ON UP AND DOWN THAT LOCAL ROAD.

AND I DO BELIEVE MR. BHIDE AND MS. FEELEY THAT IF WE DIG

DEEP WE ARE GOING TO FIND THAT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES HAS

PROBABLY BEEN GIVING THAT WAIVER, OKAY?

I CAN'T SAY IT DEFINITIVELY BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THAT -- I AM

NOT IN YOUR WORLD.

BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IF G-2 IS AVAILABLE THEN THEY ARE

GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, OKAY?

IF ANYBODY SAYS I AM WRONG ON MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT

PROVISION, PLEASE SPEAK UP.

OTHERWISE, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE.

15:21:24 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
YES, SO WE DO NOT CURRENTLY TRACK THAT THAT

WAY.

I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME -- FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2200

AND THE 35.

THE 35 ARE THE ONES WHO PAY FOR IT, THE IN-LIEU FEE, AND

THAT THEY DID NOT MEET THAT THREE-PRONGS, OR MEANING

POSSIBLY THAT THEY DID BUT THEY PAID THE IN-LIEU.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS IN

ORDER TO CLARIFY.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY WITH 2-1 WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE




HOUSING.

MOST OF THEM DID INSTALL RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT

DIFFERENTIATING -- NOT TO GET INTO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO GO

BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2200 THAT WOULD QUALIFY.

15:22:34 >> MORRIS MASSEY:
IF I CAN JUMP IN AND CONFIRM WITH

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WENT THROUGH, THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN

THE CODE NOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU DO NOT

HAVE TO PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUILD THE

SIDEWALK.

AND I WOULD ALSO, NOW THAT I REALLY WANTED TO QUICKLY

CONFIRM WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS CONCERNED ABOUT USING

MONEY BONDED FOR STORMWATER, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PURPOSES,

WE CANNOT USE THOSE DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.

15:23:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I KNOW MR. MICHELINI HAD REQUESTED

TO SPEAK.

HE'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

HE'S HERE?

15:23:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
SINCE MORRIS HAS CLARIFIED, I GUESS MRS.

FEELEY IS GOING TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BACK IN THE FUTURE

AND LOOK AND SEE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT G-2.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DINGFELDER?

15:23:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
AT LEAST G-2, YES.

15:23:33 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
AT THIS POINT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT I

BELIEVE -- I MEAN, I'M RECALLING WHEN THAT MODIFICATION TO




THE SIDEWALK CODE HAD CHANGED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE -- AND I

HAVE TO GO AND LOOK -- I SAW IT WAS A MOTION OF COUNCILMAN

MIRANDA THAT WAS OVER 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO THAT WE LOOKED AT

THIS, BECAUSE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SINGLE-FAMILY

RESIDENTIAL, WHEN IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK TO

ACTUALLY GO IN, WAS HAVING TO PAVE, AND THAT IS WHERE THAT

CODE MODIFICATION CAME FROM, SOME YEARS, IF IT IS THE DESIRE

NOW OF COUNCIL THAT THERE WOULD BE NO WAIVERS TO THE IN-LIEU

FEE, EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN THREE-PRONG SECTION OF THE

CODE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN MODIFY

THAT, WHEN COUNCIL FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE IN-LIEU

TO BE WAIVED AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THEY WOULD LIKE TO

CLOSE THE QUOTE-UNQUOTE LAP HOLE YOU ARE REFERRING TO AND

CAPTURE THE CIRCUMSTANCE FOR WHEN THAT FEE IS NOT PAID.

15:24:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
IF YOU ARE LOOKING TORE FOR A MOTION TO

KIND OF WRAP THIS UP, I WOULD BE GLAD TO.

15:25:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
GO AHEAD.

WAIT, LET'S HEAR FROM MR. MICHELINI FIRST AND THEN WE'LL

TAKE A MOTION SO THE PUBLIC CAN BENEFIT.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

15:25:08 >>STEVE MICHELINI:
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS

ASSOCIATION.

AND BASICALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK LEFT TO BE DONE ON

THIS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AS WE HAVE ALL

DISCOVERED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS.




AND WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE STAFF OF THE CITY AND

TRY TO HELP COME UP WITH AND CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE THAT MAKES

SENSE AND IS FAIR TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.

I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE A PRIORITY, AND

TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AROUND

NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PARTICULARLY SCHOOLS.

AND I THINK VIK HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT THERE

ARE STRATEGIES TO BE EMPLOYED, AND WE WILL BE HAVING MORE

DISCUSSIONS, I'M SURE, IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE, AND LOOK FORWARD TO

WORKING WITH YOU.

THANK YOU.

15:25:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, OFF MOTION.

15:25:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY

ORDINANCES TODAY, BUT I THINK STAFF IS ALWAYS APPRECIATIVE

WHEN THEY GET THE SENSE OF WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GONE

IN REGARD TO THESE ORDINANCES.

AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF AND THE LEGAL

DEPARTMENT WORK WITH MR. BHIDE ON HIS PROPOSED CODE

MODIFICATION, THAT I CONCUR WITH HIS RECOMMENDATIONS

GENERALLY, BUT I WOULD ADD SPECIFICALLY TO ELIMINATE THE

LOOPHOLE THAT I NOTED AS RELATED TO G-2 OF 22-103 AND ANY

OTHER POTENTIAL SIMILAR LOOPHOLES THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED,

BECAUSE THAT ORDINANCE IS NOT TOTALLY EASY TO READ, BUT




CLEARLY G-2, AS MR. MASSEY AND MS. FEELEY INDICATED AS WELL,

PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY AND LAP HOLE.

SO I WOULD ASK THAT TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF MR. BHIDE'S

LIST, AND ALSO AS OFFERED MS. FEELEY, THAT WE LOOK AT THAT

2200 NUMBER FROM THE YEAR 2020 AND SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY

HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS DID NOT PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE

AND DIDN'T BUILD A SIDEWALK.

MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN ACCELA THAT WE CAN PULL THAT

INFORMATION OUT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW ACCELA HAS GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF

DETAILS, BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT.

BUT, IF POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT ASKING STAFF TO GO DOWN

AND LOOK AT 2200 SIDEWALKS INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF THAT

INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE ON ACCELA, I THINK IT WOULD

BE VALUABLE INFORMATION.

15:28:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN

CARLSON.

DO YOU WANT TWO WEEKS, SIR?

15:28:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
NO, JUST A WEEK.

[ LAUGHTER ]

NO, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHATEVER STAFF WANTS, SIXTY DAYS OR

WHATEVER.

SIXTY, NINETY DAYS.

15:28:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
LET'S --




15:28:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
DO YOU WANT TO INQUIRE OF STAFF?

15:28:27 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
YES.

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?

SOMETIME IN JULY?

MAYBE JULY 29?

OR DO YOU NEED MORE TIME?

15:28:38 >>VIK BHIDE:
WE MAY NEED MORE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING

IN THE ACCELA SOFTWARE CURRENTLY, AND THAT IS CRITICAL, AND

ALSO DATA.

15:28:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THE INTENTION OF MY MOTIVE IS NOT TO

WAIT FOR SIX TO NINE MONTHS FOR ACCELA TO BE AVAILABLE.

I THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT THAT CODE PROVISION

PROVIDES A LOOPHOLE, AND MAYBE IF WE CAN ASSUME THAT SOME

PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT.

BUT IF NOT, EVEN IF THEY HADN'T TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT WE

SHOULD CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE.

SO I WOULD OFFER TWO OR THREE MONTHS FOR STAFF AND LEGAL TO

COME BACK AND IMPLEMENT THROUGH CODE CHANGES MR. BHIDE'S

RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS THE ELIMINATION OF THE G-2 LAP

HOLE.

15:29:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
HOW ABOUT AUGUST 5th?

A LITTLE OVER THREE MONTHS.

15:29:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
THAT'S GOOD WITH ME.

15:29:39 >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.




15:29:43 >>BILL CARLSON:
JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

MR. DINGFELDER MADE KIND OF A LONG MOTION.

BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK MR. BHIDE TO DO IS CONSIDER ALL THE

COMMENTS THAT WE MADE, LIKE I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE WAY

MORE STRICT THAN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, LISTEN TO ALL OF OUR

COMMENTS, AND THEN TAKE THAT AND MAYBE MAKE SOME PROPOSED

MODIFICATIONS, BUT THEN USE THAT AS A BASIS TO GO TO THE

PUBLIC, NOT JUST RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY ARE.

I THINK HE KIND OF SAID THAT BUT I WANTED FROM MY POINT OF

VIEW MAKE IT CLEAR.

AND THEN COME BACK.

THANK YOU.

15:30:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
SO THE MODIFIED MOTION THEN WOULD BE MR.

BHIDE'S RECOMMENDATION PLUS THE G-2 RECOMMENDATION AND/OR,

AS YOU SAID, MR. CARLSON, STRONGER MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN

DISCUSSED.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BILL?

15:30:31 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES.

OR JUST SAYING INPUT OF COUNCIL.

15:30:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.




15:30:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
MR. CHAIR, MOTION PASSED, RIGHT?

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT VIK -- CAN WE JUST PLEASE WORK ON

SOME KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION TO GET THESE SIDEWALKS DONE

CHEAPLY AS FAR AS MAYBE GETTING THE MANPOWER AND THESE OTHER

ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT HELP YOUNG PEOPLE GET BACK ON

THEIR FEET, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN, AND I THINK

WE CAN HELP OUR CITIZENS OUT BY DOING SOME OF THESE

SIDEWALKS, RATHER THAN TRYING TO OUTSOURCE THIS STUFF.

THE CRAs ALSO AS WELL MAKING SURE WE GET SOMETHING DONE.

SO WE CAN JUST WORK ON THAT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

15:31:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ABBYE FEELEY.

15:31:32 >>ABBYE FEELEY:
THANK YOU, CHAIR.

JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, MAYBE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT,

COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH ALL 2200 OF

THOSE RECORDS IN ACCELA BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRACKED THAT WAY.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, I DID DISCUSS WITH VIK BHIDE

THE 500 FROM THIS YEAR.

WE DID CHART SOMETHING IN ACCELA AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FROM

THIS MOMENT FORWARD ANYTHING THAT'S TRACKING THAT'S COMING

IN UP UNTIL THIS TIME VIK BRINGS THIS BACK TO YOU, WE WOULD

BE MONITORING THOSE AS WELL.

BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE -- I THINK WE CAN DO A

RANDOM SAMPLE, BUT I THINK IF WE GO BACK THROUGH THE 500, WE




COULD DO THAT FOR YOU AND BE ABLE TO WORK BACK.

CAN'T BE GOING BACK MANUALLY THROUGH 2200.

15:32:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
COUNCIL GETS ACCUSED OF BURDENING STAFF

AND I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN STAFF.

IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NOT A BIG BURDEN TO LOOK AT THOSE 500,

THEN I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE.

BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BURDEN STAFF.

15:32:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
VERY GOOD.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

WE HAVE A VERY, VERY LONG NIGHT AHEAD OF US.

GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR.

15:32:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
ONE LAST BRIEF THING.

I JUST WANT TO TELL ANYBODY WATCHING, MR. BHIDE IS A

VISIONARY IN TRANSPORTATION, AND HE HAS A BIG VISION WITH

THE COMMUNITY.

HE LOOKS AT BEST PRACTICES, AND HE HAS GREAT IDEAS ABOUT

WHAT WHERE WE SHOULD GO FOR THE FUTURE F.WEIGHED THE MONEY

TO DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DO, THIS WOULD BE AN EVEN

BETTER CITY.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM CREATIVELY TO FIND

SOLUTIONS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

15:33:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
I SECOND THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND MR. MASSEY, IF YOU CAN STAY ON REGARDING NEW BUSINESS.




WHICH IS COMING UP NOW.

OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA.

WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.

COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR NEW

BUSINESS, SIR?

15:33:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:
I AM CHECKING WITH MY AIDE, BUT NO, I

DON'T THINK OF ANYTHING.

15:33:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
COUNCILMAN CITRO?

15:33:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO:
NO, SIR.

15:33:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THIS

AFTERNOON.

COMMISSIONER OVERMAN GAVE ME A CALL.

THE COUNTY PASSED A NEW ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY.

I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD READ IT.

I LOOKED AT IT.

ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO IT.

I MAKE A MOTION FOR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO AN

ORDINANCE BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY REGARDING THE REQUIRED

NOTICE OF HOUSING RIGHTS AND RESOURCES OBTAINED THROUGH

RENTERS BILL OF RATES, THE PROVISION OF SOURCE OF INCOME,

DISCRIMINATION, AND NOTICE OF LATE FEES.

AND I HAVE A FULL COPY HERE FOR THE CLERK AS WELL, SIR.

15:34:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WHAT DAY WOULD YOU LIKE THAT?

15:34:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK THE OFFICE




WOULD NEED?

15:34:28 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED ACD STAFF, BUT WE

CAN PROBABLY GET BACK TO YOU IN SIXTY DAYS.

15:34:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WOULD BE FINE, SIR.

15:34:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
SIXTY DAYS WOULD BE PUT US -- LET'S GET

TO HOW ABOUT JULY 16th?

15:34:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
THAT WOULD BE FINE.

MR. MASSEY, IS IT GOOD FOR YOU, SIR?

15:34:49 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I THINK THAT'S FINE.

15:34:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES:
I THINK THE COUNTY HAS PRETTY MUCH HAS IT

DONE.

SMALL CHANGE OR WHATEVER.

15:34:58 >>MORRIS MASSEY:
I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ENACTED AN

ORDINANCE FOR RENTERS BILL OF RATES, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

15:35:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

SECOND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

IT'S GOING TO BE STAFF REPORTS FOR JULY 15th.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?

15:35:21 >>BILL CARLSON:
YES, QUICKLY, OUR FRIEND ARIZONA JENKINS

GOT A STATE WADE AWARD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IT'S THE VALDEZ

LEADERSHIP AND ADVOCACY AWARD, USUALLY ONLY GIVEN TO ONE

DISABILITY ACTIVIST STATE WIDE, AND THEY THOUGHT HE WAS SO




GREAT THAT THEY GAVE HIM ONE, TOO.

IF YOU ARE OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENDATION AND

IDEALLY HAVE HIM COME AND SAY HELLO TO US.

15:35:46 >> ABSOLUTELY.

I JUST SAW HIM LAST NIGHT.

15:35:48 >>BILL CARLSON:
TELL HIM HE CAN'T SMOKE HERE.

15:35:55 >> WHEN DO YOU WANT HIM TO COME?

JULY 15th?

THAT'S THE CITY OF TAMPA'S BIRTHDAY.

15:36:02 >>BILL CARLSON:
DO YOU WANT TO DO JULY 15th?

15:36:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL DO THAT UNDER CEREMONIAL

ACTIVITIES.

IF YOU ALL DON'T KNOW, ARIZONA JENKINS IS GOING TO BE A

TREAT.

HE'S A GREAT PERSON.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR?

15:36:22 >>BILL CARLSON:
JOSE MARTI PARK IN YBOR, THERE'S A LEGEND

THAT IT'S OWNED BY THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT.

I WENT, BUT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN MANAGED BY A PRIVATE

ENTITY SINCE 1983, AND A YEAR AGO BEFORE COVID, I ASKED

CHIEF OF STAFF TO LOOK AT IT.

HE PULLED TOGETHER 12 PEOPLE ON A PHONE CALL AND WE STARTED

LAG INTO THE LAND USE OF IT AND WHO ACTUALLY OWNED IT, AND




ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I GET DAILY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE

UPKEEP OF THAT PARK.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PARK FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND CUBAN

ERICANS, AND I THINK IT DESERVES BETTER UPKEEP AND IT

SHOULD BE MANAGED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF AND THE

PARKS DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE

PARKS DEPARTMENT MANAGE JOSE MARTI PARK AND COME BACK TO US

ON OCTOBER 7th.

15:37:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

15:37:17 >>BILL CARLSON:
DURING STAFF REPORTS.

15:37:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
UNDER STAFF REPORTS, OCTOBER 7th.

THE PARK IS SMALLER THAN THIS ROOM, SO IT'S NOT A BIG

UNDERTAKING.

SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR?

ANY OPPOSED?

ANYTHING ELSE?

COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR?

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

15:37:43 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA:
SEE YOU AT 6:00.

15:37:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
ALL RIGHT.

I HAVE NOTHING.




SO 6:00, WE WILL BE BACK IN SESSION.

AND WE MADE SURE THE NOTICE AS ADEQUATELY AS POSSIBLE FOR

THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE ARE ADJOURNED.

ARE WE IN RECESS TILL 6 OR ADJOURNED?

15:38:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY:
ADJOURNED FOR THIS MEETING AND RECONVENE

AT 6:00.

15:38:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:
WE'LL RECONVENE AT 6:00.

(CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP ADJOURNED)



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