TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 2021
6:00 P.M. SESSION
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18:09:04 [GAVEL SOUNDING]
18:09:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
18:09:08 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO
18:09:09 ORDER.
18:09:10 ROLL CALL PLEASE.
18:09:15 >>CLERK: VIERA?
18:09:16 VIERA?
18:09:18 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE, I AM SORRY.
18:09:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
18:09:23 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
18:09:25 >>CLERK: DINGFELDER?
18:09:26 DINGFELDER?
18:09:27 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
18:09:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
18:09:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
18:09:33 >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM PRESENT.
18:09:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
18:09:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL.
18:09:44 WE ARE HERE AT OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD
18:09:49 FOR TONIGHT'S QUASI-JUDICIAL AND OTHER LAND USE RELATED
18:09:50 MATTERS.
18:09:54 THIS MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL IS BEING HELD DURING
18:09:57 THE COVID-19 EMERGENCY AND LIVE WITH AN IN-PERSON
18:10:00 QUORUM PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
18:10:02 IN RESPONSE TO COVID-19 RESTRICTIONS, MEMBERS OF THE
18:10:06 PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH
18:10:09 VIDEO CONFERENCING OF COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR
18:10:11 CMT.
18:10:16 THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH EMERGENCY
18:10:21 RULES AND PROCEDURES RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020-225 AND
18:10:27 RESOLUTION 2020-490 AND 2021-241.
18:10:30 THE PUBLIC AND THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE
18:10:32 ABLE TO WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM
18:10:36 CHANNEL 640, FRONTIER CHANNEL 15 AND ON THE INTERNET
18:10:42 STREAMING AT TAMPA.GOV/LIVE STREAM.
18:10:47 AND PREREGISTRATION FOR PARTIES, APPLICANTS AND PUBLIC
18:10:52 ARE NECESSARY TO REREGISTER IF YOU WANT TO APPEAR
18:10:52 REMOTELY.
18:10:57 THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR ALL THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON
18:11:03 TAMPA.GOV/QUASI, AND THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE ALSO LOCATED,
18:11:05 I BELIEVE, WITHIN THE AGENDA AS WELL.
18:11:07 THE CLERK DOES PROVIDE THAT.
18:11:13 A CMT DEVICE IS REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE AND TO REMIND
18:11:19 THE PUBLIC THAT IT MUST BE A DEVICE SUCH AS A TABLET OR
18:11:24 COMPUTER, A LAPTOP OR DESKTOP EQUIPPED WITH A CAMERA
18:11:27 AND MICROPHONE THAT ALLOW YOU TO BE SEEN AND HEARD FOR
18:11:31 THESE SPECIFIC TWO-WAY VIRTUAL MEETING FORMATS,
18:11:35 QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS, SMARTPHONES, AND CELL PHONES
18:11:37 ARE NOT COMPATIBLE BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO
18:11:39 SHARE YOUR CAMERA WHEN CONNECTED.
18:11:42 AGAIN, THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB
18:11:45 SITE.
18:11:49 NOW JUST A REMINDER THAT APPLICANTS AND ALL OTHER
18:11:52 PARTICIPANTS WHO ELECT TO SUBMIT EVIDENCE BY SHARING
18:11:56 THEIR SCREEN AT THE TIME OF THE HEARING MUST SUBMIT A
18:11:59 COMPLETE ELECTRONIC COPY OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED
18:12:01 DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO
18:12:08 COUNCILQUASISUBMISSIONS@TAMPA.GOV WITHIN 24 HOURS OF
18:12:09 THE CONCLUSION OF THE MEETING.
18:12:16 AGAIN, THAT IS ALSO IN THE INSTRUCTIONS.
18:12:21 COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO CITY COUNCIL, AND
18:12:24 THEY ARE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PERMANENT RECORD OF THE
18:12:25 MEETING.
18:12:28 ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS TIMELY RECEIVED BY MAIL, E-MAIL OR
18:12:31 VIA CMT WILL BE AFFORDED EQUAL CONSIDERATION AS IF THE
18:12:33 PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE MADE IN PERSON.
18:12:37 NOW FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND DID
18:12:41 NOT MAKE THE DEADLINE REMOTELY OR DON'T HAVE A CMT
18:12:44 DEVICE, THEY ARE ABLE TO USE THE FACILITIES THAT ARE
18:12:47 PROVIDED AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT HERE AT
18:12:51 OLD CITY HALL, 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD, ON THE SECOND
18:12:52 FLOOR.
18:12:54 PLEASE NOTE THAT USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING
18:12:56 INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE REQUIRED.
18:13:01 AND ONE MORE REMINDER FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING
18:13:04 THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM, THE CHAT FUNCTION IS NOT TO
18:13:07 BE USED BY THE PUBLIC TO COMMUNICATE TO CITY COUNCIL
18:13:08 MEMBERS.
18:13:09 PLEASE REMEMBER THAT.
18:13:11 WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
18:13:12 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:13:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.
18:13:18 A MOTION TO ITEM 1-7.
18:13:20 MOTION AND SECOND.
18:13:21 ALL IN FAVOR.
18:13:22 MR. DINGFELDER?
18:13:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE
18:13:25 ARRIVED.
18:13:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS IN THE
18:13:28 HOUSE.
18:13:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ROLL, HAVE WE?
18:13:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE.
18:13:34 HE WAS HERE FOR THE RECORD.
18:13:35 HE WAS OUT PARKING.
18:13:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY.
18:13:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 1 IS A COMPREHENSIVE
18:13:47 PLAN FUTURE LAND USE ITEM.
18:13:50 WHOMEVER IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT.
18:13:57 >>RYAN MANASSE: COUNCIL, RYAN MANASSE, LAND
18:13:58 DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
18:14:01 FIRST, A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
18:14:07 AB 2, THE APPLICANT BEING JOHN GRAND REQUESTED TO BE ON
18:14:12 THE 6/24 PUBLIC HEARING, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE EVENING
18:14:13 PUBLIC HEARING.
18:14:16 AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, APRIL 15 COUNCIL MOTIONED TO ALLOW
18:14:23 FOR 11 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS FOR THAT NIGHT AND
18:14:25 YOU ARE OVER THE TEN AND FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE
18:14:29 ALCOHOL TO BE ON THE NIGHT IS THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU.
18:14:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTION FROM
18:14:33 COUNCILMEMBERS?
18:14:34 ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
18:14:38 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER, THIS --
18:14:41 THIS HAVEN'T BEEN INCORPORATED INTO YOUR RULES OF
18:14:44 PROCEDURE, BUT I SUSPECT IT WILL BE WHICH IS WHAT
18:14:48 COUNCIL ADOPTED WITH REGARD TO NOT HAVING MEETINGS GO
18:14:54 PAST -- EXCUSE ME, HEARINGS PAST 11 P.M. UNLESS EACH
18:14:57 INDIVIDUAL HEARING IS GIVEN A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE.
18:15:00 THE COUNCIL'S INTENTION WAS TO NOT HAVE THE MEETINGS GO
18:15:02 MUCH PAST 11:00.
18:15:06 THAT WAS COMMUNICATED BY COUNCIL'S MOTION AND VOTE.
18:15:08 THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING TO YOU SHORTLY TO BE
18:15:11 INCORPORATED IN YOUR RULES AND PROCEDURES.
18:15:14 THIS LOOKS LIKE -- THE REQUEST IS THE END OF JUNE.
18:15:17 I CANNOT QUITE SAY WHAT EFFECT THIS WILL HAVE ON THE
18:15:19 MEETING, THE TIMEFRAME.
18:15:21 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
18:15:24 AND WHY THE ASK.
18:15:31 MAYBE MR. MANASSE CAN -- IS MR. GRAND HERE -- WHY IT
18:15:34 NEEDS TO BE THE 24TH.
18:15:37 >>RYAN MANASSE: I CAN BRIEFLY DESCRIBE IT.
18:15:41 WOULDN'T SET THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL MAY 24.
18:15:47 WHEN THE MOTION TO HAVE 11 CPAS ON AND WHEN --
18:15:54 [INTERFERENCE] -- SORRY, I AM HAVING FEEDBACK.
18:15:58 THIS CASE WOULD HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED FOR THE 6/24, BUT
18:16:02 STAFF IS TRYING TO WORK DILIGENTLY TO KEEP THE CASELOAD
18:16:05 TO THE TEN THAT YOU REQUESTED, BUT AGAIN I AM
18:16:06 PRESENTING THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU.
18:16:11 I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD THE 11 CPAS ARE SCHEDULED AT
18:16:15 5:01 AND SIX ARE SCHEDULED FOR PARKS, IF THAT GIVES YOU
18:16:18 ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
18:16:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SAY SIX ARE FOR PARKS.
18:16:20 IT SHOULD BE FINE.
18:16:25 THE PARKS GO FAIRLY QUICKLY CONSIDERING THAT.
18:16:28 AND AS WE KNOW -- I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT
18:16:32 CONSIDERING WHAT -- MOST OF THOSE PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE.
18:16:33 ANYBODY ELSE?
18:16:34 ANY --
18:16:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NEITHER I DO, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:16:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY, SIR?
18:16:40 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT
18:16:40 EITHER.
18:16:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE
18:16:46 THAT ITEM FOR JUNE 24 AT OUR 6 P.M. MEETING?
18:16:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO MOVED.
18:16:50 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED, MR. CHAIRMAN.
18:16:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN?
18:16:58 [INAUDIBLE]
18:16:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
18:17:03 WHO MADE THE MOTION?
18:17:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
18:17:06 I SECONDED IT.
18:17:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
18:17:12 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
18:17:14 AND WE ARE ONLY DOING THIS BECAUSE OF THOSE PARK ITEMS
18:17:16 FOR THOSE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
18:17:18 WE GAVE IT SPECIAL CONSIDERATION.
18:17:21 IN THE FUTURE IT MOST LIKELY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
18:17:23 ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
18:17:25 >>RYAN MANASSE: NO, CHAIR.
18:17:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:17:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHTY.
18:17:31 ITEM NUMBER ONE, SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ.
18:17:33 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
18:17:36 SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
18:17:40 BEFORE STAFF MAKES HIS OFFICIAL PRESENTATION, I SEE MR.
18:17:42 HAYES THERE.
18:17:44 I WANT TO BECAUSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS A DIFFERENT
18:17:46 TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING THAN YOUR OTHER QUASI-JUDICIAL
18:17:48 HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA.
18:17:52 I DID WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF BRIEF REMARKS ON THIS
18:17:55 PARTICULAR HEARING AND THE SUBJECT MATTER BEFORE YOU.
18:17:59 SO THE -- THIS FIRST HEARING IS FOR CONSIDERATION OF A
18:18:01 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMOUNT.
18:18:07 AS YOU ALL KNOW, AN AMENDMENT TO ANY PORTION OR PART OF
18:18:10 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A MAJOR POLICY DECISION BY
18:18:10 CITY COUNCIL.
18:18:14 THE POLICY DECISION ESSENTIALLY A DECLARATION THAT THE
18:18:17 EXISTING LAND USE AND THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT
18:18:21 PATTERN THAT IS EXISTING ON THESE PARCELS IS NO LONGER
18:18:24 APPROPRIATE OR IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
18:18:28 SO THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE THANKS YOU WILL BE TAKING ON
18:18:30 THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT WHICH, AGAIN, IS
18:18:33 DIFFERENT THAN A QUASI-JUDICIAL ACTION WHICH WOULD
18:18:37 APPLY ANY POLICY DECISION THAT YOU MAKE FOR THESE
18:18:39 PARCELS AT A LATER DATE.
18:18:42 AND SO COUNCIL, IN CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST, MUST
18:18:48 CONSIDER THE POLICY IMPLICATION, THE AMENDMENT ON THE
18:18:50 FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE GENERAL AREA AND IN THE
18:18:53 DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND POLICIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY
18:18:55 BEING PURSUED THERE.
18:18:58 STAFF HAS PREPARED A VERY DETAILED REPORT FOR YOU THAT
18:19:05 DOES BEGIN PAGE 69, REVIEW CRITERIA FOR PLAN AMENDMENT
18:19:09 REQUEST AND ONE I WOULD JUST POINT OUT TO YOU --
18:19:10 ACTUALLY TWO.
18:19:13 THE REQUESTED LAND USE CATEGORY -- THESE ARE YOUR
18:19:15 CONSIDERATIONS, WHETHER IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE
18:19:17 GENERAL CHARACTER, DESCRIPTION OF THE CITY COMPONENT
18:19:21 FOR WHICH IT IS BEING REQUESTED AND OTHERWISE
18:19:23 CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:19:26 AND THEN FOR ANY REQUEST FOR A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT
18:19:30 PROVIDES FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY, INTENSITY OR FOR A
18:19:34 BROADER RANGE OF USES THAN THE EXISTING LAND USE
18:19:34 CATEGORY.
18:19:37 THERE ARE THREE MATTERS THAT COUNCIL TAKES INTO
18:19:40 CONSIDERATION AND YOU WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION ON
18:19:43 WHETHER THE LAND USE CATEGORY OF A SIMILAR DENSITY OR
18:19:47 INTENSITY IS LOCATED ON AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE
18:19:48 SUBJECT SITE.
18:19:50 WHETHER THE SUBJECT SITE IS WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE
18:19:55 OF A DESIGNATED TRANSIT STOP OR DESIGNATED TRANSIT
18:20:00 CORRIDOR OR IF THE SECOND PARCEL IS ADJACENT TO THE
18:20:05 PARCEL HAS A CLASSIFICATION OF R-6 OR R-10, WHICH I
18:20:09 BELIEVE THIS ONE DOES AND LOCATED WITHIN 8TH OF A MILE
18:20:12 OF A DESIGNATED TRANSIT STOP.
18:20:15 I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE MATTERS FOR COUNCIL AND THE
18:20:18 PUBLIC SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR THAT THE CRITERIA THAT YOU
18:20:22 ARE EVALUATING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS
18:20:25 DIFFERENT THAN THE CRITERIA ANY FUTURE REZONING
18:20:28 APPLICATIONS THAT MIGHT BE APPLIED TO YOUR DECISION
18:20:31 TONIGHT, YOUR POLICY DECISION TONIGHT.
18:20:36 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM OR
18:20:39 I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HEY.
18:20:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A TWO-PART ITEM.
18:20:46 IF ITEM 1 DOES NOT PASS DOES THAT KILL ITEM 3 AND WE
18:20:48 CAN NOT GO FORWARD WITH IT?
18:20:51 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I BELIEVE ITEM 3 --
18:20:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SEE ONE OF THE SAME ADDRESS AS
18:20:56 THERE.
18:20:59 >>CATE WELLS: MR. CHAIRMAN, CATE WELLS, ASSISTANT CITY
18:21:00 ATTORNEY.
18:21:04 IF ITEM 1 IS NOT APPROVED, ITEM 3 WOULD HAVE TO BE
18:21:07 CONTINUED OR WITHDRAWN AS THE REQUEST FOR REZONING ON
18:21:12 ITEM 3 IS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF CHANGE IN THE
18:21:13 PLAN AMENDMENT CATEGORY.
18:21:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE HEAR THEM BOTH TOGETHER
18:21:18 ESSENTIALLY -- I MEAN EVERYTHING IS OPEN.
18:21:22 SO PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK TWICE?
18:21:26 BECAUSE WE HAVE AT LEAST 30 PUBLIC COMMENT IF NOT MORE.
18:21:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN.
18:21:31 MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
18:21:33 PERHAPS THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION OF THE CRITERIA
18:21:36 AND THE BASIS OF YOUR DECISION.
18:21:39 IT IS IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S BEST INTEREST TO INTEREST
18:21:43 THEM HEARD SEPARATELY BECAUSE YOU APPLY DIFFERENT
18:21:49 CRITERIA TO YOUR DECISION AS MISS JOHNSON-VELEZ STATED
18:21:53 ONE IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER THAT IS A FAIRLY DEBATABLE
18:21:57 AND REZONING IS QUASI-JUDICIAL WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO
18:22:00 FACE IT ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
18:22:03 FOR PURPOSE OF THE CLARITY OF THE RECORD AND CLARITY OF
18:22:07 THE BASIS OF REVIEW IF THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE OR
18:22:10 LOOKED AT BY A CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE, MY RECOMMENDATION
18:22:13 WOULD BE TO KEEP THE RECORD AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE SO
18:22:17 WHEN COUNCIL DOES DELIBERATE, IT IS APPLYING THE
18:22:19 CORRECT CRITERIA FOR THE BASIS OF ITS DECISION.
18:22:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
18:22:22 THEN WE WILL CONTINUE.
18:22:25 THANK YOU.
18:22:30 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEMBERS, DAVID HEY WITH YOUR
18:22:31 PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF.
18:22:34 CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
18:22:35 ALL RIGHT.
18:22:37 HOPEFULLY -- ARE YOU SEEING THE SCREEN?
18:22:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
18:22:40 GO AHEAD.
18:22:41 >>DAVID HEY: ALL RIGHT.
18:22:46 THIS ONE AMENDMENT FOR YOUR REVIEW THIS EVENING TA/CPA
18:22:47 20-34.
18:22:53 IT INVOLVES THREE PARCELS 411 AND 413 SOUTH WILLOW
18:22:59 AVENUE AND 502 SOUTH ORLEANS AVENUE.
18:23:01 JUST THE GENERAL LOCATION.
18:23:04 IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL TAMPA PLANNING
18:23:06 DISTRICT.
18:23:09 SINCE IT INVOLVES THREE SEPARATE PARCELS, IT ACTUALLY
18:23:13 FALLS INTO TWO SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOODS.
18:23:21 THE TWO NORTHERN ONES ON WILLOW OF TOWN CREEK
18:23:21 NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:23:25 WHILE THE SOUTHERN ONE ON ORLEANS FALLS WITHIN THE
18:23:29 HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:23:34 JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE SITES DO FALL IN THE NATIONAL
18:23:35 HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:23:40 THEY DO NOT FALL IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:23:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER.
18:23:42 A QUESTION.
18:23:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
18:23:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS AND DROVE
18:23:51 THROUGH THE PARCEL, I WAS CURIOUS WHY THIS WAS
18:23:55 PROCESSED AS A SINGLE PLAN AMENDMENT WHEN THE PARCELS
18:23:59 FROM WHAT I COULD SEE ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS.
18:24:25 I THINK ONE IS SEPARATED BY A STREET AS WELL AS BEING.
18:24:29 >> QUESTION LAND USE -- FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS
18:24:33 DO NOT HAVE TO BE CONTIGUOUS TO EACH OTHER.
18:24:37 IT IS ONE APPLICANT WHO HAS WORKED WITH THE THREE
18:24:41 PROPERTY OWNERS TO BRING THIS FORWARD.
18:24:45 THERE HAS BEEN PLAN AMENDMENTS IN THE PAST THAT ARE
18:24:46 NONCONTIGUOUS.
18:24:49 EVEN THE CITY HAS BROUGHT AMENDMENTS IN THE PAST THAT
18:24:51 ARE NONCONTIGUOUS.
18:24:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
18:24:53 THAT IS FINE.
18:24:54 I WAS MISTAKEN.
18:24:58 I THOUGHT THEY HAD TO BE CONTIGUOUS.
18:25:01 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY TO INTERRUPT AND I DON'T USUALLY
18:25:03 DO THAT.
18:25:10 MR. HEY, YOU SAYS IT NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:25:12 JUST NOT IN THE LOCAL.
18:25:15 >>DAVID HEY: IT IS IN THE NATIONAL BUT NOT IN THE
18:25:16 LOCAL.
18:25:18 >>BILL CARLSON: ONLY A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE LOCAL
18:25:20 HISTORIC DISTRICT, CORRECT?
18:25:23 >>DAVID HEY: I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE MAP, HERE -- HERE
18:25:25 WE HAVE THE AERIAL.
18:25:27 HERE IS THE PROPERTIES ON WILLOW.
18:25:30 AND HERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY ON ORLEANS.
18:25:36 THIS IS WILLOW AVENUE RUNNING UP TO WEST PLATT STREET.
18:25:41 THE ON RAMP TO THE LEE ROY SELMON.
18:25:45 WEST HORATIO RUNNING EAST-WEST.
18:25:52 THIS RED LINE IS THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:25:55 SO DOWN HERE SOUTH OF THE RED LINE IS WITHIN THE LOCAL
18:25:57 HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:26:00 YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL THAT THE PATTERN ABOVE THIS
18:26:04 NORTH -- THIS RED LINE DOES CHANGE.
18:26:06 YOU CAN SEE TO THE SOUTH, IT IS PREDOMINANTLY
18:26:09 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
18:26:12 WHEN YOU GO NORTH OF THE RED LINE, YOU CAN SEE A
18:26:17 MIXTURE OF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, ATTACHED AND EVEN
18:26:24 MULTIFAMILY SCATTERED THROUGHOUT IN HERE.
18:26:28 TO POINT THIS OUT ALSO, IF YOU GO ABOUT TWO BLOCKS TO
18:26:31 THE WEST ON HORATIO.
18:26:34 THE OLD BREAD FACTORY.
18:26:39 THAT HAS A INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL LAND USE LEFT OVER FROM
18:26:43 WHEN THE BREAD FACTORY WAS THERE.
18:26:48 SO HERE -- THIS IS -- THIS IS THE BASIC AERIAL IN THAT
18:26:52 DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
18:26:54 AGAIN --
18:26:56 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. HEY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE
18:26:58 DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT
18:27:01 AND THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT?
18:27:02 OR CAN SOMEBODY --
18:27:05 >>DAVID HEY: THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE
18:27:05 CITY TO ADDRESS.
18:27:07 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY ABOUT THAT.
18:27:08 THANK YOU.
18:27:12 >>DAVID HEY: AND THERE IS DENNIS.
18:27:13 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: GOOD EVENING.
18:27:16 WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION?
18:27:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE, GO AHEAD.
18:27:21 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IN HYDE
18:27:23 PARK IS CREATED BY A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT PLACE IT
18:27:28 IS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
18:27:30 COMMISSION FOR ANY CHANGES THAT OCCUR ON THE EXTERIOR
18:27:35 STRUCTURES AND WITHIN THE DESIGNATED BOUNDARIES.
18:27:39 THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, THAT IS A DISTRICT THAT
18:27:42 IS CREATED THROUGH THE STATE HISTORIC OFFICE IN
18:27:46 COORDINATION WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND FORM OF
18:27:53 DOCUMENT -- ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES THAT MEET CRITERIA FOR
18:27:56 THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND LITTLE IN THE FORM OF
18:27:58 PROTECTION.
18:28:03 >>BILL CARLSON: SINCE I HAVE MR. FERNANDEZ ON THE LINE
18:28:05 COULD YOU JUST TELL US.
18:28:08 IT WAS -- A NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE IN A NATIONAL
18:28:11 HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE IT HAS CONTRIBUTING
18:28:11 STRUCTURES.
18:28:15 WOULD THAT NOT BE TRUE?
18:28:18 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: THAT'S CORRECT.
18:28:21 IT IS STRUCTURES WITHIN THE NATIONAL REGISTERED
18:28:25 BOUNDARY THAT IS DESIGNATED AS CONTRIBUTING OR NOT
18:28:26 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
18:28:29 AND ONE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE SUBJECT AREA THAT DOES
18:28:35 HAVE THAT CONTRIBUTING DESIGNATION; HOWEVER, IT DOES
18:28:42 NOT HAVE THE PROTECTIVE MEASURE OF LOCAL DESIGNATION.
18:28:43 >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE LOCAL
18:28:45 HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:28:46 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: THAT'S CORRECT.
18:28:48 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAVE BEEN FOR A WHILE.
18:28:56 WHY IT IS ON DE LEON RATHER THAN HORATIO OR NORTH.
18:28:57 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: I BELIEVE IT WAS FEASIBILITY OF
18:29:01 GETTING THE AREA DESIGNATED.
18:29:04 FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT HAPPENED SIGNIFICANTLY BEFORE
18:29:07 I WAS WITH THE CITY.
18:29:12 THERE WAS A PRETTY WELL-ESTABLISHED DEGREE OF
18:29:15 OPPOSITION IN THE AREA NORTH OF DE LEON.
18:29:18 AND SO IT WAS ESSENTIALLY OMITTED.
18:29:21 >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST QUESTION SINCE YOU ARE ON THE
18:29:23 LINE, IF I COULD.
18:29:26 COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE HISTORIC NAME OF IT WAS AND
18:29:28 WHO LIVED THERE?
18:29:32 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: WELL, A POURING OF HYDE PARK THAT
18:29:38 WAS SOMEWHAT TRANSITIONING INTO DOBYVILLE AND IT LIKE
18:29:42 SOME OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES IN HYDE PARK, THE OLDER
18:29:47 HOMES AND RESIDENTS WHO ESTABLISHED THAT PORTION OF THE
18:29:48 NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:29:53 I DON'T KNOW OF ANY INDIVIDUALS IN PARTICULAR TO POINT
18:29:58 OUT, BUT IT IS THE SAME LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE AS WHAT
18:30:03 THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:30:06 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU TELL US QUICKLY WHAT DOBYVILLE
18:30:08 WAS?
18:30:10 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: WHAT DOBYVILLE WAS?
18:30:14 IT WAS AN AREA THAT WAS SITUATED HERE, NORTH OF HERE
18:30:18 WHICH WAS UNDER THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY THAT WAS THE
18:30:22 RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A LOT OF THE INDIVIDUALS
18:30:25 THAT SUPPORTED SOME OF WEALTHIER FAMILIES IN THE HYDE
18:30:26 PARK AREA.
18:30:32 MANY OF THEM WERE AFRICAN-AMERICAN, AND THEY LIVED IN
18:30:39 PROXIMITY TO WHERE THEY WORKED SO THEY COULD TRAVEL
18:30:41 EASIER.
18:30:42 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
18:30:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. HEY, GO AHEAD.
18:30:46 >>DAVID HEY: THANK YOU.
18:30:48 HERE WE HAVE THE AERIAL.
18:30:51 BACK -- THIS IS PRIVATELY INITIATED.
18:30:52 IT IS SMALL SCALE.
18:30:57 THE THREE PARCELS TOTAL APPROXIMATELY .52 ACRES.
18:31:03 IT -- CURRENTLY ALL THREE PARCELS DESIGNATES AS
18:31:06 RESIDENTIAL-10 AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO GO TO
18:31:10 THE RESIDENTIAL-35 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
18:31:13 HERE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
18:31:18 HERE WE ARE LOOKING NORTHEAST TOWARD 411.
18:31:22 411 WILLOW -- ACTUALLY 411 IS OVER HERE.
18:31:27 THIS IS 413 IN YELLOW AND WE ARE LOOKING NORTH TOWARD
18:31:30 THE LEE ROY SELMON.
18:31:34 HERE WE ARE LOOKING EAST TOWARD 502 SOUTH ORLEANS
18:31:35 AVENUE.
18:31:40 THIS IS ORLEANS RIGHT IN THE FRONT.
18:31:46 OUT OF FRAME ON THE LEFT WILL BE THE WILLOW PROPERTIES.
18:31:49 HERE -- THESE ARE PROPERTIES LOCATED TO THE WEST OF 411
18:31:52 AND 413 SOUTH WILLOW AVENUE.
18:31:56 SO THOSE PROPERTIES ARE OUT OF RANGE TO THE RIGHT.
18:32:01 AND NORTH OF 502 SOUTH ORLEANS AVENUE WHICH IS
18:32:04 APPROXIMATELY WHERE THIS CAR IS OUT OF FRAME OVER
18:32:07 THERE.
18:32:11 WE ARE LOOKING -- YOU CAN SEE THE LEE ROY SELMON AT THE
18:32:15 END OF THE STREET.
18:32:19 HERE WE ARE LOOKING SOUTH DOWN SOUTH ORLEANS AVENUE.
18:32:20 SO THE SOUTH.
18:32:24 THE 502 SOUTH ORLEANS IS OUT OF FRAME TO THE LEFT.
18:32:29 THESE ARE THE TOWN HOME THAT RUN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DE
18:32:29 LEON.
18:32:33 AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THESE ARE ALL
18:32:37 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
18:32:42 HERE WE ARE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARD 1304 AND 1310 WEST
18:32:44 HORATIO STREET.
18:32:46 THESE ARE ALL TOWN HOMES.
18:32:50 THIS IS THE BACK OF 502 SOUTH ORLEANS.
18:32:54 AND THIS PORCH THAT WOULD JUST BE OUT OF FRAME IN THE
18:33:02 FRONT YARD HERE, THIS IS 413 SOUTH WILLOW.
18:33:05 NOW WE ARE STANDING BASICALLY ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT
18:33:11 OF 411 SOUTH WILLOW, AND WE ARE LOOKING ACROSS THE
18:33:13 STREET.
18:33:17 AGAIN, MORE TOWN HOMES TO THE EAST.
18:33:21 HERE WE HAVE THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
18:33:26 SO THE THREE PARCELS ARE THIS TAN COLOR.
18:33:28 THAT REPRESENTS THE RESIDENTIAL-10.
18:33:34 YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND
18:33:38 KIND OF TO THE SOUTHWEST.
18:33:42 TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY ON SOUTH ORLEANS, THIS IS
18:33:45 ALL RESIDENTIAL 20.
18:33:50 SO -- AND EVEN THAT IS RESIDENTIAL 20.
18:33:54 IT IS MOSTLY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, BUT IT IS ZONED --
18:34:00 THIS WHOLE AREA IS ZONED RM-12.
18:34:03 THIS DARKER KIND OF BROWN COLOR THAT WE SEE.
18:34:06 THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL-35.
18:34:13 SO, FOR INSTANCE, THIS PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY TO THE --
18:34:16 LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE?
18:34:19 THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS A PD.
18:34:22 EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE R-10.
18:34:25 THEY ARE ZONED AT RM-24.
18:34:29 SO THAT PROPERTY OWNER COULD BUILD TO THE RM-24
18:34:30 STANDARDS.
18:34:35 AND THEN YOU HAVE GOT -- YOU HAVE GOT RESIDENTIAL-35
18:34:37 THROUGHOUT.
18:34:40 TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE EAST.
18:34:43 WE ALSO HAVE IT TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY ON
18:34:46 ORLEANS, THE R-35.
18:34:49 THIS IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE NATIONAL, AND YOU CAN SEE
18:34:59 THAT THERE IS -- THERE ARE STILL SOME RES-35 SOUTH OF
18:35:01 DE LEON BUT THERE IS MORE RESIDENTIAL-10.
18:35:06 THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE GOT -- THIS IS THE BREAD
18:35:08 FACTORY OR WHAT WAS THE BREAD FACTORY.
18:35:11 IT IS NOW CONDOMINIUMS.
18:35:17 ACTING AS A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL 35 LAND USE CATEGORY
18:35:18 REPRESENTED BY THAT RED.
18:35:21 THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT IS THROUGH LOCAL ROAD.
18:35:25 TO THE NORTH ALONG PLATT, YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY MIXED
18:35:28 USE-35 FUTURE USE.
18:35:31 AND THIS IS -- THE GRAY AREA HERE IS WHERE THE
18:35:34 CROSSTOWN MAKES --
18:35:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
18:35:38 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU TELL US THE MULTIFAMILY
18:35:39 BUILDS THAT WERE THERE.
18:35:45 DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW HOW LONG AGO THEY WERE BUILT?
18:35:47 >>DAVID HEY: NOT ALL OF THEM.
18:35:53 A LOT OF THEM -- WHEN WE WENT OUT INTO THE FIELD, A LOT
18:36:02 OF THEM LOOKED LIKE '80S -- PROBABLY SOME '80S, EARLY
18:36:03 '90S.
18:36:07 THE ONES TO THE SOUTH OF ORLEANS ACTUALLY LOOKED NEWER.
18:36:14 THOSE LOOKED, TO ME, MY -- THEY LOOKED EARLY 2000S.
18:36:19 >>BILL CARLSON: DOES LOOK LIKE SINCE 2000S, IT HAS
18:36:21 BEEN TURNING MORE MULTIFAMILY OR MORE RESTORING
18:36:24 EXISTING HOMES OR BUILDING HOMES THAT LOOK LIKE
18:36:28 HISTORIC HOMES?
18:36:32 >>DAVID HEY: WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD
18:36:36 PHRASE THAT IN THAT WAY.
18:36:39 BECAUSE I THINK THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THE
18:36:41 RESIDENTIAL-35 HAVE DEVELOPED OUT WITH THEIR TOWN
18:36:42 HOMES.
18:36:45 THEY HAVE USED THEIR DENSITY THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT
18:36:49 THEY DEVELOPED THAT WAY.
18:36:53 WHILE I WAS OUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME HOUSES, SINGLE
18:36:55 FAMILY DETACHED THAT LOOK REDONE.
18:36:59 THERE ARE OTHERS THAT LOOK -- YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE
18:37:01 NOT BEEN REDONE.
18:37:05 SO IT IS A MIXTURE.
18:37:08 WOULD -- IN OUR VIEW AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THIS
18:37:12 NEIGHBORHOOD IS A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A VARIETY OF
18:37:16 HOUSING TYPES AND DENSITIES.
18:37:18 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
18:37:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
18:37:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD EVENING, DAVID.
18:37:31 I AM READING THE STAFF REPORT FROM YOUR OFFICE,
18:37:33 PLANNING COMMISSION.
18:37:39 AND ON PAGE TWO, IT COMPARES THE CURRENT LAND USE
18:37:47 CATEGORY WHICH IS R-10 AND WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO --
18:37:54 WELL, SAYS 10.55 UNIT PER ACRE FOR 13 DWELLING UNITS AS
18:37:59 COMPARED TO THE R-35, WHICH IN THIS CASE, FOR WHATEVER
18:38:06 REASON, WOULD ALLOW FOR 24.48 UNITS PER ACRE UP TO 21
18:38:07 UNITS.
18:38:11 AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY, DAVID?
18:38:17 >>DAVID HEY: NO, SORRY, THAT IS AN ANALYSIS -- THE
18:38:20 PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HAVE REQUESTED THAT ON ALL
18:38:22 SITES, ON ALL PLAN AMENDMENTS.
18:38:26 SO HOW WE ANALYZE IT IS WE LOOK AT, LIKE -- IN THIS
18:38:31 INSTANCE, WE LOOKED AT 13 SITES THAT WERE DEVELOPED
18:38:35 WITH RESIDENTIAL USES UNDER THAT R-10.
18:38:38 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE 13 SITES, THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE
18:38:42 BUILT DENSITY OF 10.55 UNITS PER ACRE.
18:38:47 SO THAT WOULD TELL US THAT SINCE IT IS OVER THE 10
18:38:50 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE, THAT THERE IS SOME
18:38:54 NONCONFORMING USES WITHIN THAT AREA.
18:38:59 THEN UNDER THE RES-35, WE FOUND 21 SITES THAT WERE
18:39:03 DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
18:39:07 AND THAT -- THEIR AVERAGE WAS BUILT OUT OF 24 --
18:39:11 ROUGHLY 24 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
18:39:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
18:39:15 THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
18:39:17 LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT LINE.
18:39:20 THE NEXT LINE SAYS MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT
18:39:20 POTENTIAL.
18:39:25 SO CURRENTLY UNDER THE CURRENT EXISTING COMP PLAN
18:39:30 CATEGORY R-10, THE MAXIMUM OF TEN DWELLING UNITS PER
18:39:33 GROSS ACRE ALLOWING CONSIDERATION FOR TOTAL OF FIVE
18:39:34 DWELLING UNITS.
18:39:38 SO RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS THE COMP PLAN IS CONCERNED,
18:39:41 THEY COULD BUILD UP TO FIVE UNITS ON THESE THREE
18:39:43 PARCELS.
18:39:45 >>DAVID HEY: CORRECT.
18:39:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THEN IF WE JUMP OVER TO THE
18:39:54 R-35 THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR, IT SAYS UNDER THE R-35,
18:40:00 35 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE WILL LOT CONSIDERATION OF UP TO
18:40:06 18 DWELLING UNITS WHICH IS ABOUT A THREE,
18:40:09 THREE-AND-A-HALF-TIME JUMP.
18:40:11 >>DAVID HEY: CORRECT.
18:40:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANT TO JUMP DOWN TO THE HEIGHT.
18:40:17 RANGE OF ALLOWABLE USES AND ON THE SAME PAGE.
18:40:21 BUILDING HEIGHTS IN THE R-10 TYPICALLY RANGE UP TO
18:40:22 THREE STORIES.
18:40:23 OKAY.
18:40:28 AND THEN AS FAR AS THE R-35, IT SAYS BUILDING HEIGHTS
18:40:35 TYPICALLY RANGE UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
18:40:41 >>DAVID HEY: LET ME GO BACK TO THE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL
18:40:44 DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AND THEN I WILL ADDRESS THE RANGE
18:40:45 OF ALLOWABLE USES.
18:40:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME READ ONE OTHER THING.
18:40:52 AND THEN UNDER THE R-35, IT SAYS, LIMITED NEIGHBORHOOD
18:40:56 COMMERCIAL USES COULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED SUBJECT TO
18:41:00 COMMERCIAL LOCATION CRITERIA WHICH I GUESS IS TRUE IN
18:41:01 BOTH CATEGORIES.
18:41:04 I GUESS I AM MAKING SURE I AM READING IT CORRECTLY.
18:41:06 I WAS READING THE FIRST LINE INCORRECTLY.
18:41:09 SO THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME ON THAT.
18:41:13 BUT I AM MAKING SURE I AM READING YOUR REPORT CORRECTLY
18:41:17 AND SPECIFICALLY THE R-35 SAYS BUILDING HEIGHTS RANGE
18:41:19 UP TO EIGHT STORIES.
18:41:21 >>DAVID HEY: RIGHT.
18:41:22 OKAY.
18:41:24 UNDER THE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL,
18:41:27 YOU KNOW, WE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOK AT THE
18:41:32 TOTAL ACREAGE.
18:41:36 SO WHEN WE CALCULATE OUT THE .52, THAT'S HOW WE GET TO
18:41:37 THE 18.
18:41:42 NOW YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT THE ZONING THEN -- WHEN A
18:41:46 ZONING COMES IN, IT IS LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY, YOU
18:41:49 KNOW, WHAT THE ACREAGE IS ON THAT PARCEL.
18:41:55 SO IT WOULD ALMOST BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET UP TO THE 18
18:41:58 DWELLING UNITS BECAUSE NOT ONLY WOULD THAT REQUIRE A
18:42:03 BONUS, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO SOMEHOW COMBINE THE -- THE
18:42:06 THREE SITES AS ONE.
18:42:09 SO THAT IS JUST ALWAYS TO GIVE YOU THE MAXIMUM
18:42:16 POTENTIAL, BUT IN REALITY, NOWHERE NEAR THAT AMOUNT
18:42:19 AFTER SITE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
18:42:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT IF -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
18:42:24 CONCERNS ME GREATLY IS IN THE REPORT IT SAYS UP TO
18:42:27 EIGHT STORIES IS THE TYPICAL RANGE FOR THESE TYPE OF
18:42:28 PROJECTS.
18:42:32 I MEAN, FOR ARGUMENT SAKES, WE CAN'T -- WE CAN'T
18:42:36 EVALUATE THE ZONING -- THE ZONING, WHAT THEY SAY OR
18:42:37 WHAT THEY MIGHT DO.
18:42:41 WE CAN ONLY EVALUATE AT THIS STAGE OF THE COMP PLAN
18:42:43 STAGE WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS.
18:42:46 AND MY CONCERN IS WHAT IF THEY DECIDED TO THEY WERE
18:42:51 GOING TO HAVE ONE -- ON LARGER PARCEL, WHAT IF THEY
18:42:54 DECIDED THEY WOULD HAVE ONE -- ONE FLOOR OF PARKING AND
18:42:57 THEN THE NEXT FLOOR WILL BE AN APARTMENT.
18:43:00 AND THE NEXT FLOOR WILL BE AN APARTMENT.
18:43:01 THE NEXT FLOOR WILL BE AN APARTMENT.
18:43:03 THE NEXT FLOOR WILL BE AN APARTMENT.
18:43:07 YOU KNOW, UP TO FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX UNITS.
18:43:11 UP TO FOUR OR FIVE STORIES TALL.
18:43:13 IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING
18:43:16 FROM A COMP PLAN PERSPECTIVE?
18:43:22 >>DAVID HEY: WELL, REMEMBER, THESE DESCRIPTIONS ARE
18:43:24 FOR -- THEY ARE JUST DESCRIPTIONS.
18:43:28 THEY ARE NOT -- THERE IS NO REGULATORY GUIDANCE BEHIND
18:43:29 THAT.
18:43:34 THAT EIGHT STORIES COMES FROM WHEN GRAND VERY LARGE
18:43:38 RESIDENTIAL-35 MULTIFAMILY PROJECT.
18:43:43 THAT COULD BE ON, LIKE, A FIVE-ACRE OR TEN-ACRE PIECE.
18:43:46 TYPICALLY IN THIS SCENARIO, SINCE IT IS SO PARCELIZED
18:43:53 OUT, YOU WOULD NOT GET THE EIGHT STORIES JUST BECAUSE
18:43:58 THE COMPATIBILITY -- WHEN WE LOOK AT THE -- AT THE NEXT
18:44:02 STAGE AT THE ZONING LEVEL, IF SOMEONE CAME IN WITH THAT
18:44:05 EIGHT-STORY PROJECT THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, WE WOULD
18:44:10 IMMEDIATELY HAVE ISSUES WITH -- WELL, WOULD IT EVEN
18:44:13 MEET EXISTING ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
18:44:14 THAT IS THE FIRST QUESTION.
18:44:19 AND IF THEY CAME THEN WITH THE PD, BECAUSE YOU ARE
18:44:23 EUCLIDIANS WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR.
18:44:26 I BELIEVE THAT IS 35 FEET MAXIMUM UNDER EUCLIDIANS.
18:44:30 BUT IF THEY CAME IN UNDER A PD, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY
18:44:34 RAISE ISSUES WITH COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
18:44:36 NOTHING THAT IS EIGHT STORIES WITHIN THAT.
18:44:43 SO AT THE ZONING STAGE IS WHEN THAT, I THINK, WOULD BE
18:44:45 NOT EVEN PERMITTED.
18:44:47 FOR CONSIDERATION.
18:44:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE.
18:44:54 BECAUSE ALL WE CAN DO IS LOOK AT IT FROM A COMP PLAN
18:44:54 PERSPECTIVE.
18:44:58 I AM NOT SAYING EIGHT STORIES IS REASONABLE, BUT MAYBE
18:45:00 FIVE STORIES OR FOUR STORIES.
18:45:03 WHAT IF SOME FUTURE COUNCIL SAID WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT
18:45:06 PD BECAUSE IT MEETS THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE YOU --
18:45:09 BECAUSE SOME -- YOU KNOW LET'S SAY WE JUMP AHEAD 20
18:45:11 YEARS FROM NOW, OKAY.
18:45:15 THE COMP PLAN CATEGORY IS R-35 AND SOME FUTURE COUNCIL
18:45:18 20 YEARS FROM NOW SAYS, YEAH, WE ARE OKAY WITH A FOUR
18:45:22 OR FIVE-STORY BUILDING WITH A PD.
18:45:23 THAT COULD HAPPEN.
18:45:26 ISN'T THAT ARGUABLY CORRECT?
18:45:31 >>DAVID HEY: I DON'T BELIEVE SO BECAUSE I WOULD THINK
18:45:35 THAT IN THAT THANK BETWEEN -- BETWEEN THAT TIME UNDER
18:45:38 THAT SCENARIO, I WOULD THINK THAT MAJOR POLICY CHANGES
18:45:44 BY THE CITY WOULD NEED TO BE UNDERTAKEN TO GET TO
18:45:46 SCENARIO THAT YOU SAID.
18:45:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK -- I THINK -- I THINK A
18:45:52 COUNCIL TODAY COULD ACTUALLY APPROVE A THREE OR FOUR OR
18:45:56 FIVE-STORY BUILDING ON THAT PARCEL IF WE CHANGE THE
18:45:57 R-35.
18:46:02 I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY REGULATORY DESIGNATION TO
18:46:03 KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
18:46:08 NOT IN A LOST LOCALLY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
18:46:11 IF THE BUILDING CAN FIT ON THAT, THAN ANYBODY COULD DO
18:46:11 THAT.
18:46:13 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVID.
18:46:17 >>DAVID HEY: REGARDING THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
18:46:22 BOTH THE R-10 AND R-35, ANY NONRESIDENTIAL USES WOULD
18:46:26 NEED TO MEET COMMERCIAL LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
18:46:29 THE MAXIMUM ZONING DISTRICT FOR COMMERCIAL THAT IS
18:46:34 ALLOWED IN EITHER OF R-10 AND R-35 IS THE CN ZONING
18:46:35 DISTRICT.
18:46:38 OUR PRELIMINARY LOOK AT IT, JUST AT THIS EARLY STAGE,
18:46:43 IS THAT THESE SITES WOULD NOT MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA
18:46:48 UNDER THE R-10 AND R-35, BUT THAT FINAL JUDGMENT IS
18:46:52 ALWAYS AT THE ZONING STAGE.
18:46:54 NOW LET'S -- IF WE MOVE ON.
18:46:59 THIS IS HOW THE MAP WOULD LOOK IF THIS PLAN AMENDMENT
18:47:01 WAS ADOPTED.
18:47:04 THE THREE PARCELS WOULD GO TO THE R-35.
18:47:09 THE SAME AS WHAT IS TO THE EAST AND SOUTH AND SIMILAR
18:47:17 TO THE R-20 THAT IS FOUND IN ORLEANS.
18:47:22 I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE.
18:47:25 THE MAXIMUM POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
18:47:30 FIVE UNIT UNDER THE R-10 CURRENTLY WITH A MAXIMUM OF
18:47:34 8022 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES COULD BE
18:47:37 CONSIDERED, BUT THE POTENTIAL AND YOU THE R-35, 18
18:47:39 UNITS.
18:47:41 ZONINGS TYPICALLY -- THAT IS MUCH LESS.
18:47:49 AND MAXIMUM CONSIDERATION OF UP TO 13,752 SQUARE FEET.
18:47:53 THOSE WILL NEED TO MEET LOCATIONAL CRITERIA.
18:47:56 THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD NOW BE ALLOWED TO BE
18:48:01 CONSIDERED UNDER THE R-35 WILL BE THE RM-12, RM-16,
18:48:06 RM-18 AND RM-24 ZONING DISTRICTS.
18:48:13 THE RM-12 AND RM 24 DISTRICTS ARE PRESENT TO THE EAST,
18:48:20 SOUTH AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
18:48:24 THE -- AS USUAL, WE DO SEND THESE OUT TO ALL OUR
18:48:25 REVIEWING AGENCIES.
18:48:27 OUR PARTNER AGENCIES.
18:48:30 AND WE VALUE THEIR INPUT.
18:48:33 THE SCHOOL BOARD DID PROVIDE COMMENTS STATING THAT
18:48:40 GORRIE ELEMENTARY, WILSON MIDDLE ARE ALL OVERCAPACITY
18:48:43 AND THESE COMMENTS ARE AN ANALYSIS OF ADEQUATE
18:48:46 FACILITIES ONLY AND NOT A DETERMINATION OF SCHOOL
18:48:48 CONCURRENCY.
18:48:52 A SCHOOL CONCURRENCY REVIEW IS PRIOR TO PRELIMINARY
18:48:55 PLAT OR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
18:48:58 ALL OTHER AGENCIES INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA STAFF
18:49:01 STATED THERE WERE NO CONCERNS OF THE PROPOSED REQUESTS.
18:49:05 ALL THOSE COMMENTS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN YOUR PACKET.
18:49:07 I SHOULD MENTION THAT WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF CITIZEN
18:49:10 COMMENTS AND THOSE ARE IN YOUR POCKET AS WELL FOR YOUR
18:49:15 REVIEW.
18:49:17 PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND
18:49:21 FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST FOR THE
18:49:24 RESIDENTIAL-35 FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY WOULD BE
18:49:27 CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDANCE WITHIN THE
18:49:30 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:49:33 THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND THREE MAIN AREAS OF
18:49:37 CONSISTENCY: FIRST, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS
18:49:41 SUPPORTIVE OF COMPATIBLE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY
18:49:44 WITHIN CENTRAL TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CLOSE TO
18:49:46 EMPLOYMENT AND TRANSIT OPPORTUNITY.
18:49:50 IF YOU REMEMBER THE PICTURES, THE -- THE INFILL WILL BE
18:49:55 SIMILAR TO WHAT IS EXISTING LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THIS
18:49:57 PICTURE HERE IS JUST SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
18:50:01 THIS IS AN R-35 PIECE.
18:50:05 SO THERE IS ALREADY SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE
18:50:06 SURROUNDING AREA.
18:50:10 THERE IS TRANSIT ON PLATT TO THE NORTH.
18:50:13 THIS SITE IS ONE MILE FROM DOWNTOWN TAMPA, AND IT IS IN
18:50:17 1,000 FEET NORTH OF HYDE PARK VILLAGE WHICH PROVIDES
18:50:19 COMMERCIAL RETAIL SERVICES.
18:50:24 ALSO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SEEKS TO PROTECT OVERALL
18:50:29 NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT AND CHARACTER BY ENSURING NEW
18:50:31 DEVELOPMENT IS SIMILAR IN FORM AND SCALE TO EXISTING
18:50:35 DEVELOPMENT FOUND WITHIN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
18:50:40 RESIDENTIAL-35 AND RESIDENTIAL=20 PLAN PARCELS ARE
18:50:43 LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT SITE AND YOU
18:50:50 SEE A NUMBER OF THOSE IN THE PHOTOS ALREADY.
18:50:53 AGAIN, AND FINALLY, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SEEKS TO
18:50:58 PROMOTE A WIDE RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES WITHIN THE
18:51:02 CENTRAL TAMPA NEIGHBORHOODS AS TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR A
18:51:05 WIDE RANGE OF INCOME LEVELS AND FAMILY NEEDS.
18:51:08 SO RESIDENTS CAN AGE IN PLACE.
18:51:11 THEY MAY HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE WHEN THEY ARE
18:51:12 YOUNGER WITH FAMILY.
18:51:20 AND AS THEY GET OLDER, THEY MAY WANT AN APARTMENT.
18:51:23 HAVING A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD
18:51:27 ESPECIALLY ONE THAT ALREADY HAS THESE FACILITIES IS
18:51:28 PROMOTED.
18:51:31 THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL
18:51:35 HOUSING UNITS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CLEARLY HAS A MIXTURE
18:51:36 OF HOUSING TYPES.
18:51:38 SO BASED ON THAT ALREADY YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION
18:51:41 RECOMMENDS TO YOU THIS EVENING THAT THE PROPOSED MAP
18:51:44 AMENDMENT BE FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS,
18:51:55 OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE IMAGINE 2040 TAMPA
18:51:56 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
18:51:59 I AM AVAILABLE AND THE CITY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
18:52:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HEY OR FOR
18:52:04 THE CITY?
18:52:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY REPORT?
18:52:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, IT'S A PLAN AMENDMENT.
18:52:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MEANT THE CITY.
18:52:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO REPORT FROM THE CITY.
18:52:19 >> AT THIS POINT, THE CITY HAS NO OBJECTIONS.
18:52:20 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
18:52:47 WE GO TO THE APPLICANT.
18:52:51 >>STEVE MICHELINI: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, STEVE
18:52:52 MICHELINI REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
18:52:55 AS THE STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, WE WENT THROUGH FAIRLY
18:53:02 EXHAUSTIVE REVIEW REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
18:53:04 AND EVEN WORKING WITH THE CITY, WITH THE PLANNING
18:53:09 COMMISSION STAFF, IF YOU RECALL BASED ON THE AERIAL
18:53:13 THAT THEY SHOWED YOU AND THE LAND USE PLAN, THIS AREA
18:53:19 SURROUNDED BY MULTIFAMILY, TOWN HOUSES ON -- ON ALL OF
18:53:23 THE SIDES EXCEPT FOR ONE SIDE, WHICH IS TO THE -- TO
18:53:25 THE WEST.
18:53:33 AND ON THAT SIDE, IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND
18:53:35 THE INDIVIDUAL WHO OWNS AND LIVES THERE HAS NO
18:53:36 OBJECTION TO THIS CHANGE.
18:53:50 I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU FOR A SECOND -- AND I HAVE --
18:53:53 I HAVE SOME PICTURES TO GO ALONG WITH THIS AS WELL.
18:53:56 THE SUBJECT SITE IS SHOWN HERE IN YELLOW.
18:54:00 THERE IS AN EXISTING FOUR-UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT
18:54:01 IS HERE.
18:54:04 IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED RS-50.
18:54:08 AND THE LAND USE IS R-10.
18:54:11 OUR INTENTION WAS TO VEST THAT ONE AS PART OF THE LAND
18:54:15 USE TO MAKE IT A CON -- HAVE A CONFORMING ST. LOUIS.
18:54:21 AND ACROSS THE STREET WE HAVE SIX TOWN HOUSES RES-35.
18:54:24 I MEAN, THEY ARE ALL AROUND HERE.
18:54:25 35 HERE.
18:54:29 WE HAVE HIGHER DENSITY BACK OVER HERE, WHICH IS THE OLD
18:54:31 BREAD FACTORY.
18:54:35 WE ARE ONE -- ONE AND A HALF BLOCKS GRAND OF PLATT
18:54:37 STREET WHICH IS A HIGHLY TRAVELED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
18:54:40 WITH OFFICES ALL ALONG UP IN HERE.
18:54:43 SOME TOWN HOUSES.
18:54:47 AND THE RESIDENTIAL-35 WILL ENABLE US TO -- AND I DON'T
18:54:50 WANT TO GET INTO THE WHOLE PRESENTATION REGARDING --
18:54:54 REGARDING THE REZONING, THAT IS A PORTION OF THIS -- OF
18:55:00 THIS APPLICATION, BUT THE REZONING IS NEVER INTENDED TO
18:55:00 BE --
18:55:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I OBJECT -- MR. CHAIRMAN, STRANGE
18:55:05 FOR ME TO OBJECT, BUT I THINK IT IS OUT OF ORDER FROM
18:55:08 WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD OVER THE YEARS FOR ANY DISCUSSION
18:55:12 OF THE REZONING THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT COME DOWN THE
18:55:13 ROAD.
18:55:15 WE ARE IN THE COMP PLAN CATEGORY.
18:55:22 MR. SHELBY OR MISS WELLS OR WHOEVER IS LISTENING.
18:55:24 >>STEVE MICHELINI: COUNCILMEN, I AM ONLY --
18:55:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANT AN OPINION FROM OUR
18:55:29 ATTORNEYS BEFORE WE MOVE ON, STEVE.
18:55:31 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: MR. DINGFELDER, THIS IS SUSAN
18:55:32 JOHNSON-VELEZ.
18:55:35 YES, THESE APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED -- THIS
18:55:37 APPLICATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED INDEPENDENT OF ANY
18:55:41 FUTURE REZONING ACTIONS THAT MAY COME BEFORE YOU AS A
18:55:42 RESULT OF THIS AMENDMENT.
18:55:45 >>STEVE MICHELINI: IF I COULD, I WASN'T TRYING TO GET
18:55:47 INTO THE REZONING PRESENTATION BUT RATHER ADDRESSING
18:55:51 THE ISSUE OF AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AND THE
18:55:56 COMPATIBILITY OF THAT IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE.
18:55:59 IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- AT THE STAFF REPORT, AGAIN, ON
18:56:03 PAGE 2, IT INDICATES THAT YOU COULD HAVE UP TO EIGHT
18:56:06 STORIES; HOWEVER, WITH THE SIZE OF THE -- OF THE
18:56:08 PROPERTY THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED, WOULD YOU NEVER BE
18:56:09 ABLE TO DO THAT.
18:56:14 YOU ALSO WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE 18 DWELLING
18:56:15 UNITS.
18:56:19 SO ANYWAY, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I WENT DOWN THAT
18:56:24 ROAD BRIEFLY.
18:56:28 THE -- WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE LAND USE CRITERIA
18:56:33 REGARDING THIS PROPOSAL, WE ALSO IDENTIFIED -- AND THE
18:56:36 STAFF IDENTIFIED -- IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE 4 OF YOUR
18:56:39 PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT, THAT THE APPLICABLE
18:56:45 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES AND CRITERIA STARTING WITH
18:56:49 LAND USE OBJECTIVE 1.1 RECOGNIZE AS THAT THE CITY IS
18:56:52 COMPRISED OF UNIQUE DISTRICTS AND THIS IS THE CENTRAL
18:56:53 TAMPA DISTRICT.
18:56:57 IT RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS A PRIMARY URBAN EMPLOYMENT,
18:57:00 CIVIC AND CULTURAL CENTER, BUILDING ON THE HERITAGE OF
18:57:02 ASSETS FOUND IN THE DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE
18:57:07 FOSTERING A VIBRANT URBAN LIFESTYLE THROUGH URBAN,
18:57:10 MIXED USE AND ENTERTAINMENT.
18:57:12 THIS PARCEL AND THE ONES UNDER CONSIDERATION ARE
18:57:15 SURROUNDED BY HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS.
18:57:18 AND THIS IS THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT.
18:57:21 THIS IS NOT TAKING A DOUGHNUT AND TRYING TO ACHIEVE
18:57:24 SOMETHING ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT.
18:57:28 AS I POINTED OUT, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY SURROUNDED BY
18:57:33 OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OF EQUAL AND HIGHER DENSITY
18:57:36 -- SORRY, NOT HIGHER BUT THEY ARE ALL EQUAL TO IT.
18:57:37 I HAVE THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
18:57:40 I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THEM TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE
18:57:52 HAVE ON THE -- ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
18:57:58 AND DAVID HEY WAS SHOWING YOU THOSE AS WELL.
18:58:08 THIS IS THE R-35 IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH WHICH WAS THE
18:58:13 -- THE TOWNHOUSE PROJECT THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE
18:58:16 STREET AND YOU HAVE THE HIGHER DENSITIES AND
18:58:21 MULTIFAMILY AND TOWN HOUSE DEVELOPMENTS UNTIL YOU GET
18:58:23 TO DE LEON.
18:58:29 THIS IS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PICTURE I
18:58:33 JUST SHOWED YOU WHICH ARE MORE TOWN HOUSES AND
18:58:39 DIAGONALLY ACROSS FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
18:58:44 AND THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SUBJECT
18:58:48 PROPERTY, AGAIN MORE TOWN HOUSES.
18:58:54 THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING DIRECTLY TO
18:58:55 THE NORTH.
18:59:03 THIS IS R-10, AND THIS WILL BE VESTED UNDER THE DIRECT
18:59:14 LAND USE CLASSIFICATION.
18:59:16 THIS IS THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BEING
18:59:19 REQUESTED WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDING HERE AND THIS --
18:59:22 THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE WHERE THE PROPOSED NEW
18:59:29 DEVELOPMENT WOULD TAKE PLACE.
18:59:32 AND WE ARE LOOKING DOWN THE STREET WHERE THERE ARE MORE
18:59:39 TOWN HOUSES.
18:59:44 BASICALLY OUR INTENT HERE IS TO -- IS TO CREATE AND
18:59:49 IDENTIFY THE LAND USE AND MAKE IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
18:59:52 OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE AREA AS WELL AS TO
19:00:00 VEST THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE NORTH AND LET ME GO
19:00:04 THROUGH THE VARIOUS CRITERIA THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED
19:00:09 BY THE -- LAND USE OBJECTIVE 1.2 TO CREATE AND INSPIRE
19:00:13 URBAN DESIGN WHILE RESPECTING TAMPA'S URBAN SCALE,
19:00:16 UNIQUE HISTORY AND AESTHETICS AND EVERYTHING BEING
19:00:20 PROPOSED HERE WILL BE OF LIKE SIMILAR SCALE AND DESIGN,
19:00:21 AS WELL AS INTENSITY.
19:00:24 RELATES TO NEW BUILDINGS TO THE CONTEXT OF THE
19:00:25 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY.
19:00:29 IT WILL BE THE SAME AS THE OTHER EXISTING TOWN HOUSE
19:00:31 DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE AREA.
19:00:34 RELATE THE NEW BUILDINGS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONTEXT
19:00:37 AND PROMOTE A RANGE OF USES AND IN CLOSE PROXIMITY OF
19:00:38 EACH OTHER.
19:00:42 THE STAFF HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU A MIX OF USES
19:00:42 HERE.
19:00:46 AND UNTIL YOU GET FURTHER TO THE SOUTH WHERE YOU ARE AT
19:00:50 DE LEON, MOST OF THESE -- YOU HAVE MOSTLY, AT LEAST
19:00:53 FROM MY WINDSHIELD SURVEY OF DRIVING AROUND THE
19:00:57 NEIGHBORHOOD, TOWN HOUSES AND THEN INTERSPERSED WITH
19:01:01 ONE OR OCCASIONALLY TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES OR
19:01:03 DUPLEXES OR APARTMENTS.
19:01:05 AND IT IS TRULY A MIX.
19:01:08 AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS
19:01:16 ASKED WAS HOW DID THIS HAPPEN AND WELL IT AND WILL
19:01:21 BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL DESIGNATED AS A HIGH GROWTH
19:01:22 ACTIVITY AREA.
19:01:25 AND YOU WANTED IT TO OCCUR WITH TRANSIT CORRIDORS,
19:01:28 EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND WHERE IT WAS NOT CREATING AN
19:01:30 ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON ANYTHING ELSE.
19:01:36 THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS OLD HYDE PARK VILLAGE OR HYDE
19:01:37 PARK ITSELF.
19:01:41 IT WAS ALWAYS A LITTLE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AREA.
19:01:45 ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WAS RAISED WAS THE
19:01:48 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
19:01:51 WE HAD IT EVALUATED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA HISTORIC
19:01:54 PRESERVATION STAFF AND WE HAVE A LETTER WHICH I BELIEVE
19:01:59 IS ON FILE WITH YOU ALL THAT THEY HAVE NO OKAY TO THE
19:02:00 REMOVAL OF THAT BUILDING.
19:02:05 AND THIS THEY DID NOT FINE IT TO BE A CONTRIBUTING OR
19:02:08 -- A BUILDING THAT SHOULD BE RETAINED.
19:02:11 IT INDICATED IN A LETTER AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO PUT IT
19:02:16 ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE, TO THANK ONCE THE
19:02:20 DEMOLITION PERMITS WERE APPLIED FOR THAT WOULD SIGN
19:02:26 GRAND ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE ONE STRUCTURE.
19:02:32 GOING ON FURTHER WITH THE STAFF ANALYSIS REGARDING LAND
19:02:34 USE OBJECTIVES.
19:02:38 THEIR JOB IS TO REGULATE THE INTENSITY AND LEVEL OF
19:02:40 INTENSITY REGARDING THIS AREA.
19:02:43 AND ANY PROPOSAL THAT WOULD COME FORWARD FOLLOWING AN
19:02:46 APPROVAL OF A LAND USE AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN
19:02:47 CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:02:49 IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING
19:02:51 PROPERTIES.
19:02:54 AND I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN YOU WHAT THE CHARACTER WAS.
19:02:58 SO REGARDLESS OF -- OF, YOU KNOW, THE LAND USE
19:03:00 DESIGNATION.
19:03:02 IT COULD NOT BE OUT OF CHARACTER WHEN IT CAME TO YOU
19:03:07 FOR A REZONING TO BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH ANYTHING THAT
19:03:13 WAS BEING PROPOSED.
19:03:17 LAND USE POLICY 3.4.1 ENCOURAGING MORE DIVERSE HOUSING
19:03:20 OPPORTUNITY BY AMENDING CURRENT LAND USE DEVELOPMENT
19:03:23 REGULATIONS IN A WAY TO PROMOTE RESIDENTIAL AND OR
19:03:26 MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.
19:03:27 THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THOSE.
19:03:30 RECOGNIZE AND STRENGTHEN THE CENTER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS
19:03:33 CREATING VIBRANT, DIVERSE, DISTINCTIVE AND
19:03:35 INTERCONNECTED COMMUNITY.
19:03:38 THIS IS SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY
19:03:41 ON THE NORTH.
19:03:43 HYDE PARK VILLAGE ON THE SOUTH.
19:03:49 AND THE SOHO DISTRICT ON THE WEST AND ALSO OTHER TOWN
19:03:51 HOUSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALL AROUND THIS.
19:03:56 AS I SAID, THIS -- THIS IS NOT AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT IS
19:03:57 ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THE AREA.
19:04:00 THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.
19:04:05 AND IT'S A REQUEST TO -- TO VEST AN EXISTING BUILDING,
19:04:08 AS WELL AS TO ALLOW THE -- THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN
19:04:10 ADDITIONAL PARCEL.
19:04:12 THE IMPACT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE EXISTING
19:04:14 PHYSICAL, SOCIAL FRAME.
19:04:17 WORK SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AND DISCUSSED DURING THE
19:04:19 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS.
19:04:22 THAT IS LAND USE POLICY 9.2.2.
19:04:25 AND COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OF
19:04:28 SUSTAINED STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS TO ENSURE SOCIAL AND
19:04:29 ECONOMIC HEALTH.
19:04:33 THIS WILL, IN FACT, INTRODUCE A REDEVELOPMENT I CAN'T
19:04:37 THAT -- A REDEVELOPMENT -- AREA THAT -- A REDEVELOPMENT
19:04:40 PROJECT THAT WILL SUSTAIN THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE
19:04:41 IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED.
19:04:44 GENERALLY THE LOCATION OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED
19:04:47 HOUSING SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE PERIPHERY OF THE
19:04:50 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOODS; HOWEVER,
19:04:53 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSING MAY BE CONSIDERED AS IT
19:04:55 WAS DEMONSTRATED THAT IT WILL BE INTEGRATED WITH
19:04:58 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL USES BY MITIGATING
19:05:00 THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF ANY.
19:05:05 AND IN THIS CASE IT SITS SURROUNDED BY OTHER TOWN HOUSE
19:05:07 AND MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.
19:05:09 SO IT IS NOT ON THE PERIPHERY.
19:05:14 IT SITS -- AND IT IS NOT CREATING A NEW -- A NEW TREND
19:05:15 OR ANYTHING ELSE.
19:05:18 IT IS, IN FACT, RESPONDING TO THE DEVELOPMENT MEASURES
19:05:21 THAT SURROUND IT.
19:05:25 LAND USE POLICY 9.8.1, USE MODERATE DENSITY MULTIFAMILY
19:05:30 ZONE IN MULTIFAMILY AREAS TO PROMOTE ADDITIONAL HOUSING
19:05:33 OPPORTUNITIES, ENCOURAGE INFILL PROJECTS AND CONVERSION
19:05:36 OF EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH MIXED
19:05:40 USES HOUSES SMALL AND MODERATE SCALE OR PROVIDE NEW
19:05:44 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND MODERATE DENSITY THAT CAN
19:05:47 FILL IN VACANT OR UNDERDEVELOPED SITE.
19:05:51 I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THIS AS A UNDERDEVELOPMENT SITE.
19:05:54 IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE; HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY
19:05:57 IS CERTAINLY CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT IS SURROUNDED
19:06:01 BY MULTIFAMILY AND TOWN HOUSES, IT WILL BE COMPATIBLE
19:06:06 AND LAND USE POLICY 9.8.1.
19:06:08 WE AGREE WITH BOTH THE CITY STAFF AND THE PLANNING
19:06:12 COMMISSION STAFF THAT THIS IS AT CORRECT USE FOR THIS
19:06:13 LOCATION.
19:06:17 AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION.
19:06:19 THE OWNER -- DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?
19:06:20 THE OWNER IS HERE.
19:06:29 MAYBE HE CAN TAKE A MINUTE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT.
19:06:33 >> HI, MY NAME IS BROOKS BIRD.
19:06:36 I AM THE OWNER OF 413 SOUTH WILLOW.
19:06:39 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS PROJECT.
19:06:44 WE DO FEEL THAT THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
19:06:47 DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:06:55 I HAVE BEEN A TAMPA RESIDENT NOW FOR 25 YEARS IN REAL
19:06:57 ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
19:07:01 AND WE TAKE PRIDE IN TRYING TOO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND
19:07:06 PROVIDE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENTS.
19:07:10 AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS
19:07:13 SITE AND WHAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY, THAT WE ARE
19:07:18 CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND KEEPING WITHIN THE
19:07:21 SPANISH TOWN DISTRICT.
19:07:23 WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
19:07:28 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:07:29 >>STEVE MICHELINI: AGAIN, LET ME RUN THROUGH THESE
19:07:31 PICTURES QUICKLY FOR YOU.
19:07:34 THIS TOWN HOUSE PROJECT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET
19:07:37 TO THE SOUTH.
19:07:40 IN IS THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE
19:07:43 NORTH OF THE SUBJECT --
19:07:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN YOU SEE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN,
19:07:46 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL?
19:07:49 ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN?
19:07:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, -- PLEASE PUT THE OVERHEAD
19:07:55 THAT THE GENTLEMAN IS SHOWING.
19:07:56 THERE YOU GO.
19:07:59 TRY IT AGAIN, SIR.
19:08:01 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THIS IS THE TOWN HOUSE PROJECT
19:08:02 IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH.
19:08:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE STILL CAN'T.
19:08:06 DO YOU HAVE PHOTOS -- THERE IT IS.
19:08:07 GO AHEAD.
19:08:08 I AM SORRY.
19:08:09 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THIS IS THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT
19:08:13 WOULD BE PART OF THE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT WILL BE
19:08:13 VESTED.
19:08:17 A FOUR-UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY HAS A
19:08:22 RESIDENTIAL-10 CLASSIFICATION AND RES-50 ZONING, WHICH
19:08:24 WE WOULD HAVE TO CORRECT.
19:08:27 THIS IS -- THIS IS TO THE SOUTH AND SLIGHTLY TO THE
19:08:28 EAST.
19:08:34 THE TOWN HOUSE PROJECT IS DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE STREET
19:08:38 FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
19:08:42 AND THIS IS -- LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, ALSO A
19:08:48 TOWNHOUSE PROJECT.
19:08:50 THIS PHOTOGRAPH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
19:08:56 SUBJECT THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.
19:09:02 SO IN CONCLUSION, I WOULD SAY THAT SURELY THE PLANNING
19:09:06 COMMISSION STAFF HAS DONE A DILIGENT EFFORT IN
19:09:08 IDENTIFYING THESE AREAS.
19:09:10 WE HAVE AS WELL.
19:09:12 AND WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE.
19:09:16 AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL AND WE WILL
19:09:20 BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
19:09:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO.
19:09:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MICHELINI?
19:09:26 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
19:09:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT FIRST AERIAL MAP THAT YOU HAVE,
19:09:38 WILL YOU PUT THAT UP FOR ME PLEASE.
19:09:39 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THIS ONE OR --
19:09:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, NO, YOU GOT TO ZOOM OUT.
19:09:44 THE ONE THAT HAD ALMOST THE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:09:45 YES, SIR.
19:09:47 I AM LOOKING AT THAT.
19:09:50 AND SANS THE APARTMENTS THAT USED TO BE THE BREAD
19:09:52 MANUFACTURING -- NO, ZOOM OUT.
19:09:53 THERE YOU GO.
19:09:57 ALL THE OTHERS, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE YOU WOULD SAY
19:10:03 THOSE PLOTTED -- THOSE PLOTS WERE MULTIFAMILY AS
19:10:09 OPPOSED TO THE PLOT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY IN THAT VIEW?
19:10:12 >> I THINK THAT THE -- THE -- THE PLANNING COMMISSION
19:10:15 FOUND THAT -- I WILL HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THEIR
19:10:16 REPORT.
19:10:20 BUT I'M PRETTY SURE AND MAYBE DAVID HEY CAN ANSWER THAT
19:10:21 QUESTION --
19:10:24 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM NOT VERY GOOD AT MATH SO, PLEASE,
19:10:29 I GOT 15%.
19:10:32 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THAT THESE ARE WERE 15%?
19:10:35 THAT THE MULTIFAMILY WAS 15%?
19:10:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, SIR.
19:10:39 THE OTHER -- THE OTHER MULTIFAMILIES THAT YOU ARE
19:10:40 POINTING OUT.
19:10:42 DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY WERE BUILT?
19:10:42 ROUGHLY?
19:10:45 GIVE ME AN ESTIMATE.
19:10:47 >>STEVE MICHELINI: UM, MY --
19:10:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET ME ASK THIS WAY, THE LATEST ONE
19:10:56 THAT WAS BUILT, WHEN WAS IT?
19:10:57 >>STEVE MICHELINI: IN THE 2000S..
19:11:01 >> THIS ONE WAS BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
19:11:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I AM GOING TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S
19:11:04 STATEMENT.
19:11:07 PLANNING COMMISSION GOES ESTIMATE FARTHER OUT.
19:11:10 I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SINCE THESE WERE FIRST
19:11:12 STARTED, THESE MULTIFAMILIES.
19:11:14 IT WAS IT IN '80.
19:11:18 AND THE MULTIFAMILIES HAVE SLOWED DOWN SINCE THEN?
19:11:22 I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE COMPATIBILITY IS
19:11:23 GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:11:24 THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
19:11:26 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I AM LOOKING FOR THE PERCENTAGE, BUT
19:11:28 I THINK IT IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE 15%.
19:11:32 IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THE AREA, YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THIS
19:11:37 AREA THAT -- THAT IS NORTH OF HORATIO, THAT THERE ARE A
19:11:41 MIX OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT APARTMENT AND MULTIFAMILY
19:11:44 AND TOWN HOUSES.
19:11:46 IF YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH.
19:11:50 IF YOU WERE GOING DOWN TO DE LEON, IT CHANGES, BUT IN
19:11:56 THIS AREA, THE NUMBER IS PRETTY HIGH.
19:11:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI.
19:11:59 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
19:12:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
19:12:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR.
19:12:03 MICHELINI.
19:12:11 AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. HEY.
19:12:13 STEPHEN, THE SITE -- THE MAP YOU HAVE IS POINTING TO
19:12:16 ONE SITE BUT IN REALITY A SECOND SITE WHERE YOUR FINGER
19:12:21 IS POINTING, CORRECT.
19:12:24 ON ORLEANS, THE CORNER OF ORLEANS.
19:12:27 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THIS IS AN UPDATED VIEW, BUT THIS IS
19:12:29 THE OTHER CORNER HERE.
19:12:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY
19:12:36 AND DISCLOSURE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE
19:12:41 PARCEL ON ORLEANS -- NO, THE PARCEL ON ORLEANS,
19:12:45 DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ARE THREE SINGLE-FAMILY --
19:12:49 NO, ON ORLEANS, ARE THREE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, ONE
19:12:53 RIGHT WHERE YOUR FINGER IS, ONE, TWO, THREE.
19:12:57 THREE LARGE HISTORIC -- WELL, THEY LOOK HISTORIC.
19:12:59 THEY MAY BE NEWER.
19:13:01 THEY MAY BE RENOVATIONS, I DON'T KNOW.
19:13:05 BUT I DROVE IT THE OTHER DAY.
19:13:07 THREE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES RIGHT THERE.
19:13:11 SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO IS
19:13:15 LISTENING TO YOU AND MR. HEY WILL THINK IT IS ALL
19:13:18 MULTIFAMILY AROUND THERE AND IN REALITY DIRECTLY ACROSS
19:13:25 THE STREET FROM THE ORLEANS PROPOSED PROPERTY IS -- ARE
19:13:28 THREE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND IF I AM -- IF I AM
19:13:30 MISTAKEN, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
19:13:33 >>STEVE MICHELINI: NO, SIR, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS
19:13:34 ON THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.
19:13:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I KNOW.
19:13:37 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THESE ARE ALL SURROUNDED.
19:13:39 IN ONE IS AN EXISTING DUPLEX.
19:13:43 AND, AGAIN, THAT -- THE INTENT THERE WAS TO VEST WHAT
19:13:47 WAS THERE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE R-10
19:13:52 CLASSIFICATION AS IT IS T CURRENTLY EXISTS.
19:13:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, YOU CAN VEST SOMETHING LESS
19:13:57 THAN R-35.
19:14:00 >>STEVE MICHELINI: NO, SIR, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
19:14:03 AND WE CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS
19:14:04 COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:14:08 WE ARE NOT TRYING TO OVERBUILD THIS.
19:14:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY OTHER QUESTION IS TO MR. HEY.
19:14:15 DAVID, COULD YOU PUT UP THE MAP -- I DON'T KNOW THAT
19:14:16 YOU PUT UP EARLIER.
19:14:21 IT IS -- YOU CALL IT FIGURE 2 OR FIGURE 3, CITY OF
19:14:27 TAMPA EXISTING LAND USE MAP.
19:14:30 GOT A LOT OF YELLOW.
19:14:33 >>DAVID HEY: YEAH, THAT MAP I DON'T HAVE IN THE
19:14:34 POWERPOINT.
19:14:41 THAT IS FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND LOOKS AT DUR
19:14:42 CODES.
19:14:44 HOW THEY CODE THE PARCEL.
19:14:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT JENNIFER
19:14:51 SENT OVER.
19:14:53 >>DAVID HEY: JUST NOT IN THE POWERPOINT THAT WE HAVE.
19:14:58 I KNOW OF THE MAP THAT YOU ARE REFERENCING.
19:15:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET IT FROM MY
19:15:03 COMPUTER UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT ALL I WOULD SAY IN
19:15:08 LOOKING AT THIS MAP OF EXISTING -- EXISTING USES, THESE
19:15:12 TWO PARCELS ARE SURROUNDED WITH WHAT YOU GUYS DESCRIBE
19:15:16 OR WHAT -- WHOEVER PUT THIS MAP TOGETHER DESCRIBES AS
19:15:18 SINGLE FAMILY/MOBILE HOME.
19:15:22 OBVIOUSLY NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MOBILE HOMES THERE.
19:15:28 BUT SINGLE FAMILY USES, EXISTING USES.
19:15:32 AND I SEE A HECK OF A LOT OF YELLOW -- DO
19:15:35 COUNCILMEMBERS -- ANYBODY ELSE GOT THIS?
19:15:37 >>DAVID HEY: BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
19:15:39 I AM PULLING UP THE MAP.
19:15:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE PULL UP THE REPORT OR
19:15:43 SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
19:15:46 >>DAVID HEY: THAT'S WHAT I AM -- BUT, YOU KNOW, WHILE
19:15:52 WE ARE WAITING FOR THAT, I THINK I CAN ADDRESS YOUR
19:15:53 CONCERN.
19:15:58 THEY END UP CODING HOW THAT MAP DOES IT TYPICALLY IS
19:16:04 THEY CODE TOWN HOMES AS YELLOW.
19:16:06 SO --
19:16:09 >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST ADD TO THIS.
19:16:12 I DON'T KNOW THE MAP THAT YOU ARE REFERENCING.
19:16:16 MR. HEY, DO YOU HAVE A MAP -- THE MAP WE SAW JUST A FEW
19:16:20 MINUTES AGO WAS A NARROW AREA FROM THE MULTIFAMILY ON
19:16:23 WILLOW TO THE BREAD FACTORY CONDOS BUT DOESN'T SHOW THE
19:16:28 LARGER HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OMITS THE AREA SOUTH OF DE
19:16:29 LEON.
19:16:32 AND OMITS THE AREA EAST OF WILLOW.
19:16:36 DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE MIXTURE OF
19:16:39 HOMES THAT MAYBE GOES FROM THE BREAD FACTORY ALL THE
19:16:45 WAY TO BOULEVARD OR TO -- TO AT LEAST PAST NEWPORT,
19:16:52 SOME OF THE ROADS TO THE EAST.
19:16:53 >>DAVID HEY: LET ME CHECK.
19:16:55 WHILE I AM DOING THAT --
19:16:57 >>BILL CARLSON: MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WE SAW PICTURES
19:17:02 OF A CORNER WITH SEVERAL 1980S AND 1990S CONDOS.
19:17:05 WHAT WE DIDN'T SEE THE 1920 HISTORIC HOME AND THE
19:17:09 HISTORIC HOMES OF DOBYVILLE, IS THAT CORRECT?
19:17:12 DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE HISTORIC HOMES IN THAT
19:17:14 AREA?
19:17:15 >>DAVID HEY: LET ME LOOK.
19:17:17 LET ME TRY TO ANSWER THESE IN --
19:17:19 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY.
19:17:27 >>DAVID HEY: IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
19:17:28 THERE WE GO.
19:17:29 OKAY.
19:17:34 I THINK YOU SHOULD NOW BE SEEING THE MAP THAT I THINK
19:17:37 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WAS REFERENCING.
19:17:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THE YELLOW.
19:17:43 HEY THANK YOU IS AN EXISTING LAND USE MAP.
19:17:45 WE USE IT AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS.
19:17:50 IT IS PART OF -- WHAT IT DOES IS IT PULLS THE DATA FROM
19:17:53 THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND HOW THEY CODE EACH DWELLING
19:17:54 UNIT.
19:18:00 SO LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, EAST -- TO THE SOUTH -- THESE
19:18:05 ARE TOWN HOME, BUT IT IS THE WAY THAT THEY -- IT'S THE
19:18:10 WAY THEY CODE THAT SOMETIMES THEY SHOW UP AS YELLOW.
19:18:15 LIKE THESE TO THE SOUTH ARE TOWN HOME EVEN THOUGH THEY
19:18:16 SHOW UP AS YELLOW.
19:18:19 THESE ARE DOWN HOMES EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOW UP AS
19:18:19 YELLOW.
19:18:25 THAT IS THE WAY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER CODES THESE.
19:18:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY BY THE
19:18:32 SIZE OF THE PARCELS THOSE ARE TOWN HOMES; HOWEVER, IF
19:18:37 WE GRANTED THIS R-35, IS THERE ANY GUARANTEE TODAY, AT
19:18:40 THIS VERY SECOND, THAT THIS WOULD BE DEVELOPED OUT AS
19:18:41 TOWN HOMES?
19:18:45 COULDN'T IT BE DEVELOPED OUT AS MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS?
19:18:49 >>DAVID HEY: I DON'T -- IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I
19:18:53 DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD FIT AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT
19:18:55 IS SIX OR EIGHT STORIES --
19:18:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DIDN'T SAY SIX OR EIGHT STORIES
19:18:59 IN THIS LAST QUESTION.
19:19:02 I JUST SAID COULDN'T IT BE DEVELOPED OUT AS A APARTMENT
19:19:05 BUILDING, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.
19:19:10 >>DAVID HEY: REMEMBER, COUNCILMAN, WE DON'T LOOK INTO
19:19:12 THEIR APARTMENTS AND CONDOS.
19:19:16 WE LOOK WHETHER IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR MULTIFAMILY
19:19:19 ATTACHED.
19:19:22 MULTIFAMILY IS APPROPRIATE IN THE R-35.
19:19:26 IT CAN BE CONSIDERED, ZONING DISTRICTS FURTHER
19:19:32 RESTRICTED SO, YOU KNOW, I -- I DON'T SEE --
19:19:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU DON'T LOOK
19:19:40 AT THE WHAT IFS AS MUCH AS I MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE
19:19:43 WHAT IFS?
19:19:48 >>DAVID HEY: YEAH, WE LOOK -- THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED,
19:19:51 WHETHER THEY ARE PERMITTED UNDER A ZONING IS ANOTHER
19:19:51 MATTER.
19:19:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
19:19:55 >>DAVID HEY: OKAY.
19:19:58 NOW LET ME TRY TO -- LET'S -- LET'S GO TO COUNCILMAN
19:20:01 CARLSON'S QUESTION.
19:20:07 I THINK HE WANTED A MAP THAT ZOOMED OUT.
19:20:12 SO LET ME -- CORRECT, YOU WANTED A MAP, COUNCILMAN
19:20:13 CARLSON?
19:20:19 >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU HAVE A MAP OVER TO SWANN OR
19:20:20 BOULEVARD, AT LEAST.
19:20:24 >>DAVID HEY: I AM GOING TO -- LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN
19:20:24 AGAIN.
19:20:27 BECAUSE REMEMBER WE LOOK AT -- EVEN THOUGH THERE IS THE
19:20:30 BUILD ENVIRONMENT OUT THERE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
19:20:34 ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE PARTLY ON THE LAND.
19:20:40 SO, LIKE -- AND ONCE I GET TO SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE,
19:20:50 AGAIN --
19:20:51 >>BILL CARLSON: IF A COMMUNITY HAPPENS TO HAVE
19:20:56 HISTORIC HOMES, BUT AT SOME POINT PEOPLE RENOVATED THEM
19:21:00 TO THE POINT THAT THEY DON'T MATCH THE CRITERIA OF
19:21:02 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES SO THEY ARE NOT EXACTLY
19:21:05 PROTECTED, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE -- IN THE
19:21:09 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT PROTECTS THOSE HOMES?
19:21:12 OR ARE WE -- ARE WE TEARING THEM ALL DOWN.
19:21:14 >> CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION AGAIN?
19:21:17 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE --
19:21:19 >>BILL CARLSON: AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR.
19:21:23 FERNANDEZ IF HE IS STILL AROUND, BUT THE -- IF A STUDY
19:21:30 IS DONE AND A HOME OR BUILDING IS NOT CONSIDERED
19:21:33 CONTRIBUTING BUT IT IS STILL A HISTORIC HOME AND IT IS
19:21:35 NOT CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE SOMEBODY ADDED ON TO IT OR
19:21:37 RENOVATED ON TO IT AT THAT POINT.
19:21:41 ARE WE OKAY -- IF THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF THOSE
19:21:42 HOMES.
19:21:45 ARE WE OKAY TEARING THEM DOWN OR SOMETHING IN THE
19:21:48 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT CAN ADDRESS THEM.
19:21:51 >>DAVID HEY: I CAN PROVIDE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PART
19:21:55 AND DENNIS CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON HIS END.
19:21:59 AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES PROMOTE THE PROTECTION
19:22:03 OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES ESPECIALLY WITHIN OUR DESIGNATED
19:22:05 LOCAL DISTRICT.
19:22:06 >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT THE NATIONAL HISTORIC
19:22:08 DISTRICT?
19:22:11 >>DAVID HEY: REALLY NO GUIDANCE ON THOSE AREAS.
19:22:15 SO AN INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE
19:22:20 DESIGNATED A HISTORIC STRUCTURE NOT PART OF A DISTRICT.
19:22:23 THERE ARE POLICIES THAT ALSO PROMOTE THAT, BUT IT
19:22:29 DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT, YOU KNOW, SHALL PROTECT
19:22:32 ANYTHING WITHIN A NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
19:22:35 IT FOCUSES ON CREATING THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE CITY TO
19:22:39 PROMOTE THE PROTECTION OF ITS DESIGNATED LOCAL HISTORIC
19:22:42 DISTRICT.
19:22:46 IF DENNIS WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING.
19:22:50 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: YES, TO KIND OF ADD ON TO THAT
19:22:52 THESE TYPE OF CHANGES WHEN THEY ARE WITHIN LOCAL
19:22:57 HISTORIC DISTRICTS LIKE A HYDE PARK OR YBOR CITY WOULD
19:23:02 GO BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSIONS FOR A
19:23:05 RECOMMENDATION ON HOW THE LAND USE CHANGES MIGHT EFFECT
19:23:09 THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE THIS IS
19:23:12 SITUATED IN A NATIONAL DISTRICT, THERE IS NOT THAT
19:23:17 MECHANISM FOR THAT TYPE OF REVIEW OR RECOMMENDATION.
19:23:20 WITHIN THESE AREAS, THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL
19:23:24 HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WHEN MY STAFF IS PRESENTED WITH A
19:23:30 DEMOLITION APPLICATION LIKE THE ONE THAT RELATES TO 413
19:23:34 WILLOW, WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO EVALUATE
19:23:38 IT AGAINST SECTION OF THE CODE THAT IS ENTITLED
19:23:42 EMERGENCY ACTIONS TO PROTECT HISTORIC BUILDING SITES,
19:23:47 STRUCTURES OR OBJECTS FOR POTENTIALLY THE CRITERIA FOR
19:23:49 DESIGNATION.
19:23:55 THAT IS A VERY HIGH BAR TO MOVE A PROPERTY THAT LACKS
19:23:58 THE CRITERIA TOWARD AN EMERGENCY DESIGNATION.
19:24:05 THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE -- CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE
19:24:10 WITH NO PARTICULAR RECOGNIZABLE DISTINGUISHMENTS TO
19:24:11 RISE IT TO THE LEVEL --
19:24:13 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, MY QUESTION WAS THE
19:24:15 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CONVERSION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:24:19 IF SOME PRIOR CITY COUNCIL IN 1970S AND '0S WHEN THEY
19:24:22 DIDN'T THINK HYDE PARK WAS AN IMPORTANT NEIGHBORHOOD
19:24:26 APPROVED MULTIFAMILY, DOES THAT COMPEL US TO ALLOW A
19:24:29 NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS TO BE TORCH
19:24:40 DOWN AND CONVERTED TO CONDOS NOW?
19:24:42 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: THE AREA -- I WILL HAVE TO LOOK IT
19:24:47 THE AS NOT PROTECTED BY HISTORIC ORDINANCE.
19:24:50 >>BILL CARLSON: ARE THERE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THERE
19:24:53 BUILT IN THE 1920S OR NOT.
19:24:55 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: THAT HAVE NOT BEEN LOCALLY
19:24:57 DESIGNATED.
19:24:59 >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS
19:25:02 ASKED TO DESIGNATE THOSE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR
19:25:04 HAVE THEY TRIED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC
19:25:06 DISTRICT.
19:25:10 >>DENNIS FERNANDEZ: WE HAVE HAD RECENT EFFORTS FROM
19:25:14 THE SPANISH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND HAVE BEEN
19:25:17 DISCUSSING WITH IT AND PERHAPS ONE OR TWO OF THE
19:25:20 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND THEY BELIEVE THEY WILL
19:25:26 PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT THAT THEY DO DESIRE, THE
19:25:28 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DESIRES A LEVEL OF PROTECTION
19:25:31 OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES WITHIN THE NATIONAL
19:25:33 REGISTERED DISTRICT.
19:25:37 >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY, THANK YOU.
19:25:40 >>DAVID HEY: AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HERE IS A FUTURE
19:25:49 LAND USE MAP THAT IS ZOOMED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE THE
19:25:50 SUBJECT SITE IN THE MIDDLE.
19:25:53 SOUTH OF SWANN GOES TO RES-10.
19:25:57 THE HYDE PARK VILLAGE WHICH IS CMU-35.
19:26:02 YOU CAN SEE NORTH OF SWANN, IT GOES TO R-50, R-35.
19:26:10 THERE IS EVEN AN R-50 THREE BLOCKS TO THE EAST OF THIS
19:26:15 SITE AND DOES TAPER DOWN AS YOU GO WEST TO THE SELMON
19:26:18 EXPRESSWAY.
19:26:21 I DO ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN
19:26:23 TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS AREA.
19:26:27 AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR A.
19:26:33 THIS IS THE PLAN THAT THE CITY ADOPTED IN 1975.
19:26:36 SO THIS IS NOTHING NEW IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:26:40 THIS AREA HERE -- THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE ARE IN.
19:26:43 YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS MEDIUM INTENSITY.
19:26:46 THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LAND USE CATEGORIES BACK THEN.
19:26:48 MEDIUM INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
19:26:59 BASICALLY EVERYTHING NORTH OF SWANN WAS MEDIUM TO HIGH
19:27:04 AND SOUTH OF SWANN IN THE -- IS THE LOWER.
19:27:06 THEY CALLED IT LOWER AND THE SECTOR PLAN.
19:27:09 LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS THE YELLOW.
19:27:13 THAT WAS TYPICALLY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.
19:27:17 SO, YOU KNOW, THE -- HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES SOME CONTEXT
19:27:22 AND JUST LOST THE MAP, BUT -- OKAY, HERE WE GO.
19:27:26 IT'S BEEN THE LONG-TERM TREND FOR THE CITY THAT HAS
19:27:30 VIEWED THIS AREA THAT IT IS CLOSE TO THE -- TO THE
19:27:32 SELMON EXPRESSWAY.
19:27:37 IT IS CLOSE TO THAT KENNEDY CORRIDOR WHERE DENSITY HAS
19:27:40 BEEN ENCOURAGED FOR DECADES NOW.
19:27:42 SO HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
19:27:45 IF WE NEED TO ZOOM OUT ON THE MAP AGAIN, I CAN DO THAT
19:27:47 AS WELL.
19:27:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN ASK.
19:27:51 DAVID, CAN I HAVE A COPY OF THAT?
19:27:53 YOU SCROLLED OVER SOMETHING THAT SAID THE YEAR 2000.
19:27:57 I WANTED TO SEE IF PROJECTIONS CAME TRUE OR NOT.
19:28:01 MAYBE IF YOU JUST GIVE ME COPY OF THAT.
19:28:05 >>DAVID HEY: I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU, YES.
19:28:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE IF TO
19:28:09 PUBLIC COMMENT.
19:28:11 IF YOU WERE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 1 AND IN
19:28:16 PERSON ON THE SECOND FLOOR, PLEASE COME TO THE LECTERN.
19:28:19 AFTER EACH PERSON WE WILL SANITIZE THE LECTERN AND KEEP
19:28:21 GOING FROM THERE.
19:28:22 YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
19:28:44 AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME.
19:28:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
19:28:47 STATE YOUR NAME.
19:28:49 >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEN.
19:28:51 MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA.
19:28:55 I LIVE AT 604 SOUTH ORLEANS AND THAT HOME HAS BEEN IN
19:28:57 OUR FAMILY FOR 90 YEARS.
19:29:03 I SENT YOU A 36-PAGE OBJECTION LETTER OUTLINING SOME OF
19:29:05 THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE HAVING.
19:29:12 IN IT, I INCLUDED PICTURES AND ALSO A PETITION FOR
19:29:19 OBJECTION TO THE REZONING, WHICH, BY THE WAY, THE
19:29:21 RESIDENT THAT MICHELINI WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT SAID SHE
19:29:22 DIDN'T OBJECT.
19:29:23 SHE DID.
19:29:24 SHE IS ON THE PETITION.
19:29:27 AND THIS IS THE REALITY OF THINGS.
19:29:30 OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS FRAGILE.
19:29:37 IT IS OVERSTRESSED WITH OLD, BREAKING SEWER PIPES.
19:29:42 WE HAD TO DEAL WITH ROAD CAVE-INS AND DRAINAGE PROBLEMS
19:29:47 RESULTING IN STREET FLOODING, ALLEY FLOODING, AND OUR
19:29:51 BACK YARDS FLOOD EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
19:29:56 ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL BE TYING IN TO THESE EXISTING
19:29:57 PROBLEMS.
19:30:00 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC DENSITY.
19:30:04 WE DEAL DAILY WITH HEAVY TRAFFIC.
19:30:09 DRIVING THE AREA REQUIRES IN AND OUT WEAVING TO AVOID
19:30:10 CARS.
19:30:14 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STREET CARS -- EXCUSE ME STREET
19:30:21 PARKING CARS, ONCOMING CARS, CARS WHO ARE BEHIND US AND
19:30:24 END UP IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT
19:30:26 IN LINE.
19:30:30 AND THEN THERE ARE THE JOGGERS, THE WALKERS, DOGS
19:30:36 WALKING THEIR OWNERS, BICYCLISTS, THE SCOOTERS, GOLF
19:30:40 CARTS, THE LANDSCAPERS, DELIVERY TRUCKS, THE POSTAL
19:30:44 TRUCKS, AND OUR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
19:30:48 THESE ARE ALL IN OUR STREETS ALL THE TIME THAT WE HAVE
19:30:51 TO WEAVE IN AND OUT TO ALLOW THE TRAFFIC TO FLOW.
19:30:54 NOW LET'S DON'T FORGET THE SCHOOLS.
19:30:58 THERE ARE CHILDREN WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOLS.
19:31:01 THERE ARE PARENTS IN CARS.
19:31:05 THEY ARE KNOWN AS THE PICK-UP OR DROP-OFF LINES.
19:31:07 SOMETIMES YOU FIND YOURSELF IN THAT LINE EVEN THOUGH
19:31:10 YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN, BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO
19:31:12 GET AROUND THEM.
19:31:16 MY POINT IS, TRAFFIC DENSITY IS DANGEROUS.
19:31:19 IT IS UNSAFE FOR EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
19:31:21 ANYONE THAT USES THOSE STREETS.
19:31:28 AND IF YOU ALLOW THIS ZONING IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE AND
19:31:31 SPOKE WITH THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE TOWN HOMES AND I WENT
19:31:34 DOOR TO DOOR SPEAKING TO PEOPLE INFORMING THEM OF WHAT
19:31:37 WAS GOING ON IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY HAUL THE
19:31:38 SAME COMPLAINT.
19:31:40 THEY HAVE NO PARKING.
19:31:44 AND THESE ARE THE CONDOS AND TOWN HOMES ALLOWED TO BE
19:31:45 BUILT THERE.
19:31:46 AND THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY.
19:31:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:31:49 >> THANK YOU.
19:31:57 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
19:32:09 YES, SIR.
19:32:10 GO AHEAD.
19:32:11 >> GOOD EVENING.
19:32:13 MY NAME IS GEORGE COUCH.
19:32:18 AND I LIVE AT 603 SOUTH ORLEANS AVENUE.
19:32:20 PERCEPTION IS REALITY.
19:32:26 AND THE REALITY THAT I SEE OF THIS IS DISTURBING.
19:32:30 THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT GINGERLY TENACIOUS OF
19:32:35 TRYING TO GET AN ASSURANCE IF IT WENT FROM R-10 TO R-35
19:32:40 THAT IT WON'T BE BUILT OUT TO A R-35 AND WE HAVEN'T HAD
19:32:44 ANY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE OR CONCLUSIVE ASSURANCES THAT
19:32:45 WILL NOT HAPPEN.
19:32:48 WHY NOT KEEP IT AT R-10.
19:32:51 WHY GO TO THE R-35 IF IT IS NOT NECESSARY.
19:32:56 AGAIN, NO ASSURANCES, HEMMING AND LAWING.
19:33:00 YES, BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
19:33:02 THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
19:33:05 WE LIVE IN THIS AREA AND ALSO PROPOSED THAT, YES, A LOT
19:33:09 OF MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:33:10 WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE.
19:33:11 IT IS PACKED.
19:33:13 AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS ABOUT
19:33:16 THE TRAFFIC NOT BEING THAT BAD.
19:33:18 IF YOU LIVE THERE AND YOU ARE PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE
19:33:22 ON A DAILY BASIS, IT'S BAD.
19:33:26 ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE JOGGERS AND
19:33:30 THE RESIDENTS WHO USE THOSE STREETS ON A DAILY BASIS TO
19:33:33 WALK AND EXERCISE AND ENJOY THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY THAT
19:33:34 IT OFFERS.
19:33:37 AND JAMMING THIS BUILDING SITES AND -- AND THE
19:33:44 UNCERTAINTY OF GOING TO THE R-35 IS DETRIMENTAL.
19:33:46 IT MAKES NO SENSE.
19:33:50 AGAIN, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN GINGERLY TENACIOUS OF
19:33:54 SAYING, LISTEN, IF WE WENT TO R-35 ON THIS.
19:33:57 WILL YOU BUILD OUT TO R-35.
19:34:00 AND THE POTENTIAL IS THERE AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD, NO, IT
19:34:01 WON'T.
19:34:02 SO THAT IS MY CONCERN.
19:34:04 AND I AM GRAVELY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
19:34:08 THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I AM RAISING MY FAMILY.
19:34:11 AND I HOPE THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH.
19:34:12 THANK YOU.
19:34:15 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.
19:34:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIR?
19:34:17 >> YES.
19:34:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR THE RECORD, AS I LOOK AT
19:34:22 THE MAP IN FRONT OF US, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 502
19:34:24 SOUTH ORLEANS ON THE CORNER.
19:34:26 I AM GOING TO PRESUME THAT YOU ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE
19:34:29 STREET IN 503?
19:34:33 >> NO, SIR, 603 SOUTH ORLEANS.
19:34:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APOLOGIZE.
19:34:36 >> A BLOCK AWAY.
19:34:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OUR BLOCK UP.
19:34:44 >> YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
19:34:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I -- I DON'T WANT TO TESTIFY BUT I
19:34:49 NEED SOMEONE LOCAL TO TESTIFY, BUT I SAID THERE WERE
19:34:53 THREE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET
19:34:55 FROM THE 502.
19:34:56 IS THAT CORRECT?
19:34:58 >> THAT IS CORRECT STATEMENT, YES.
19:35:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:35:07 NEXT SPEAKER.
19:35:26 YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
19:35:29 >> YES, I AM A RESIDENT ON SOUTH ORLEANS TOO.
19:35:32 I LIVED THERE SINCE 1985.
19:35:36 BACK THEN WE HAD BURGLAR BARS ON ALL THE WINDOWS, BUT
19:35:38 THE AREAS THAT COME UP QUITE A BIT.
19:35:40 VERY EXPENSIVE HOME --
19:35:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT WAS YOUR NAME, MA'AM?
19:35:45 >> VIRGINIA PARK SMITH, 610 SOUTH ORLEANS.
19:35:49 THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME SOLD FOR ONE MILLION 43 LAST
19:35:49 YEAR.
19:35:53 IT IS A VERY -- I WOULDN'T SAYS IT UP AND COMING, IT
19:35:55 HAS ALREADY BECOME A GOOD AREA.
19:35:56 NO UP AND COMING.
19:35:57 IT'S THERE.
19:36:01 MY ONLY CONCERN IS A LOT OF IT IS DENSITY.
19:36:04 IT IS KIND OF LIKE FILLING YOUR MOUTH WITH A FIRE HOSE.
19:36:07 AT WHAT POINT DOES IT OVERFLOW.
19:36:08 OKAY, IT'S DENSE.
19:36:10 OKAY, YOU CAN BUILD.
19:36:14 WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY UNITS, BUT HOW
19:36:16 MUCH CAN WE TAKE?
19:36:19 WILL WE FINALLY JUST OVERFLOW?
19:36:21 MY QUESTION IS ALSO WATER.
19:36:24 I MEAN, WE -- WE PUT UP WITH RAIN IN OUR BACKYARDS FROM
19:36:27 ALL THE BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE ARE PIGGY BACKED HOUSES
19:36:33 ON TOP OF BASIC BUNGALOWS WITH THE PIGGYBACK RUE TEEN.
19:36:36 ALL THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
19:36:43 AND A LOT DOESN'T HAVE CISTERNS TO HOLD THE WATER AND
19:36:45 ALL THIS WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
19:36:46 NOBODY MENTIONED WATER.
19:37:05 ARE WE JUST TO OVERFLOW AND PLATT STREET AND SELMON.
19:37:09 WE COVER EVERYTHING WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSES AN
19:37:11 APARTMENTS AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE LITTLE AREAS ON THE
19:37:15 SIDES OF THEIR HOUSE TO ABSORB THE WATER AND TAKE DOWN
19:37:16 THE TREES THAT ABSORB THE WATER.
19:37:18 I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS GOING TO GO.
19:37:19 THAT IS MY QUESTION.
19:37:27 SO ANYWAY, THAT IS -- MOST OF MY THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THE
19:37:29 DENSITY AND WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO GO.
19:37:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, NEXT SPEAKER.
19:37:47 YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
19:37:51 >> PATRICK CIMINO, 604 SOUTH OREGON AVENUE.
19:37:54 I LIVED IN HYDE PARK 30 YEARS IN THREE DIFFERENCE
19:37:55 HOUSE.
19:37:58 I AM OPPOSED TO THIS INCREASED USE OF THE LAND THAT IS
19:38:02 BEING QUESTIONED TONIGHT.
19:38:04 I THINK THERE ARE THREE AREAS THAT I HAVE SIGNIFICANT
19:38:05 CONCERN ABOUT.
19:38:10 ONE IS THE CONCEPT THAT PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED AND I
19:38:14 THINK THE COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE LATCHED ON TO, MULTIUNIT
19:38:15 APARTMENTS VERSUS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
19:38:19 JENNY JUST MENTIONED ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT AND THE
19:38:22 IMPACT THAT HAS ESPECIALLY IN A TIME OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
19:38:28 AND FINALLY WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT A BIT OF A FALLING SEE
19:38:30 THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MENTIONS -- IT WAS IN
19:38:32 THEIR REPORT AND I DIDN'T HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT IT
19:38:39 TONIGHT OF PUSHING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN TAMPA TO
19:38:42 ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE MASS TRAPPING.
19:38:47 I NEVER HEARD THAT HYDE PARK IS CHARMING BECAUSE OF
19:38:48 MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
19:38:52 IT IS BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC HOMES, TREE-LINED STREETS,
19:38:59 SIDEWALKS, YARDS THAT IS WHAT RESIDENTS AND VISITORS
19:39:00 CHERISH AND VALUE.
19:39:02 THESE FEATURES DRAW VISITORS.
19:39:04 THEY DRAW IT TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
19:39:07 THAT IS THE NEIGHBOR -- THE APARTMENTS DO NOT OFFER US
19:39:09 ANY COMMUNITY VALUE OR ENHANCEMENT.
19:39:13 AS PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, IT CREATES MORE PROBLEMS FOR
19:39:14 US.
19:39:17 I WAS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT HOW IT IS TO WALK IN
19:39:20 MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE MULTIFAMILY
19:39:22 VERSUS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
19:39:26 SO ONE THING THAT MR. DINGFELDER POINTED OUT, MOST OF
19:39:30 THE HOUSING WHEN YOU GO WEST IS STILL SINGLE-FAMILY.
19:39:36 ON ORLEANS, THERE IS ACTUALLY FOUR HOUSES IN THE00
19:39:39 BLOCK OPPOSITE WHERE THAT DUPLEX IS.
19:39:43 AND AS YOU GO INTO THE 600 BLOCK, IT IS ALMOST ALL
19:39:44 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
19:39:45 THERE IS A DUPLEX.
19:39:47 IT IS DESIGNED LIKE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
19:39:51 SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- A SIGNIFICANT PORTION AND I
19:39:54 THINK I TOTALLY AGREE THAT I THINK THE VIEW OF THE
19:39:56 CAMERA FAILED TO SHOW THAT.
19:39:59 I WILL REITERATE WHAT JENNY SAID.
19:40:02 COVERING THESE LOTS IS WHAT GOT HOUSTON IN A LOT OF
19:40:03 TROUBLE.
19:40:09 HOUSTON SUFFERED FROM HARVEY IN PART, IT IS DOCUMENTED,
19:40:11 IT'S HISTORY FROM PAVING OVER EVERYTHING.
19:40:13 WHEN YOU PUT -- I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
19:40:16 I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL LIVE BY THEIR WORD, TALKING
19:40:20 PUTTING FOUR UNITS PER LOT, THAT WILL CREATE THE TYPE
19:40:23 OF ENVIRONMENT HOUSTON HAD, WHERE YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE
19:40:25 LAND TO DRAIN.
19:40:27 THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, YEAH, THEY HAVE SMALL YARDS,
19:40:31 BUT THEY GENERALLY HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF LAND WITH IT.
19:40:34 AND FINALLY, DID WANT TO POINT OUT.
19:40:37 I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE OF TAMPA MASS
19:40:40 TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE LESS TODAY -- IT IS MORE
19:40:42 DIMINISHED TODAY.
19:40:45 I KNOW IT, YOU ALL KNOW IT THAN IT WAS TEN YEARS AGO.
19:40:49 TO GIVE A QUICK EXAMPLE A GUY ON ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS
19:40:50 ON SWANN.
19:40:52 HE WALKS BY MY HOUSE.
19:40:55 HE WOULD TAKE A BUS FROM SWANN TO GO TO WORK.
19:40:59 THE CLOSEST HE HAS NOW TO GO TO WORK IS WILLOW AND
19:41:00 KENNEDY.
19:41:02 IT IS -- IT IS .6 MILES.
19:41:07 AND HE HURT HIS KNEE AND HAD TO QUIT WORKING FOR A
19:41:07 WHILE.
19:41:09 SO I AM VERY OPPOSED TO THIS.
19:41:12 IT IS NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND
19:41:14 NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THOSE OF HOUSE HAVE INVESTED
19:41:17 DEARLY IN HOMES.
19:41:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:41:33 ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER.
19:41:43 >> HI, KELLY MCMILLIAN, 2110 WEST DECKLE AVENUE AND
19:41:47 REPRESENTING THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK HYDE ORGANIZATION
19:41:48 AND HUNDREDS OF MEMBERS.
19:41:49 THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
19:41:54 TO CULTIVATE, PRESERVE THE AESTHETIC CHARACTERISTICS OF
19:41:54 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:41:57 CURRENT CLASSIFICATION, I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN OF
19:42:02 R-10 ALLOWS FOR DWELLING UNITS AT A DENSITY OF FIVE,
19:42:05 BUT IF APPROVED, DENSITY COULD INCREASE UP TO 18.
19:42:09 THIS WAR HAS BEEN WAGED IN THE PAST AND SHOULD BE
19:42:13 REITERATED THAT THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES IN
19:42:19 THIS AREA ARE ACTUALLY EARLY TO PRE1992, EARLY 1990.
19:42:23 IF I CAN PARAPHRASE A STATEMENT MADE BY PLANNING
19:42:27 COMMISSION DICK DURING RECENT PLANNING HEARING LAST
19:42:30 WEEK AND HE SAID WE CAN HAVE RESPECT FOR DENSITY BUT
19:42:34 THESE THREE PARCELS ARE SURROUNDED BY SINGLE-FAMILY
19:42:34 HOMES.
19:42:38 HE THEN ASKED SOMEONE AT SOME POINT DECIDED THAT R-10
19:42:40 WAS THE APPROPRIATE CLASSIFICATION.
19:42:44 AND WHY AND WHAT NEEDS ARE MET BY THE SIGNIFICANT
19:42:45 INCREASE.
19:42:47 AND IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.
19:42:51 THE ANSWERS ARE MYSTERIOUS, CLOUDY AND UNKNOWN.
19:42:54 THE APPLICANT CLAIMS THE PARCEL IS AT THE CENTER OF A
19:42:58 WELL-ESTABLISHED TOWN HOME AND MULTIFAMILY AREA.
19:43:03 THIS IS REFUTABLE IF YOU CAN SEE A LARGER THAN THREE
19:43:05 VISUAL BLOCK PICTURE.
19:43:09 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY BUT MAYBE I AM
19:43:12 NOT UNDERSTANDING THE USE OF THE TERM "SURROUNDED."
19:43:15 THE APPLICANT CLAIMED THE RECENT TOWN HOME -- THE
19:43:17 RECENT TOWN HOME IMPROVEMENTS FROM IMPROVED THE
19:43:21 NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE TRUTH IS, IT IS THE OLDER
19:43:24 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE BY DEDICATED
19:43:28 HOMEOWNERS AND NEWLY CONSTRUCTED HOMES ARE DESIGNED
19:43:31 WITH CARE AND RESPECT OF THE CHARACTER OF HYDE PARK.
19:43:34 WE ALSO KNOW A FACT THAT THE LOCAL SCHOOLS ARE AT OR
19:43:38 ABOVE STUDENT CAPACITY, THE INCREASED DENSITY DEFEATS
19:43:40 THE SCHOOL CHOICE EFFORTS.
19:43:46 PLANNING STANDARDS NEED TO BE APPLIED KEY ALLEY ACROSS
19:43:49 TAMPA AND MUST KNOW THE UNIQUENESS OF INDIVIDUAL
19:43:50 NEIGHBORHOODS.
19:43:53 WILLOW SAFE A GATEWAY OF HIGHLY ADVERTISED POINT OF
19:43:54 INTEREST IN THE CITY.
19:43:57 THE AREA IS A JEWEL AND AN ONGOING STORY OF SUCCESSFUL
19:44:00 RENAISSANCE AND REHABILITATION.
19:44:06 ALSO NOTABLE IS THE HISTORIC MARKER ERECTED IN 2007
19:44:10 SHOWING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF DOBYVILLE DIRECTLY ADJACENT
19:44:13 TO THESE PARCELS AND ADJACENT AND CONNECTED.
19:44:16 WE KNOW APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND TYPICAL TOWN HOME
19:44:18 STRUCTURES ARE NOT INTERESTING.
19:44:23 PLOPPING DOWN A ANOTHER ARCHITECTURALLY INCOHERENT
19:44:26 COMPOUND WON'T ENHANCE THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:44:30 WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE PARCELS TO BE DEVELOPED
19:44:32 RECORDING THE EXISTING REGULATIONS.
19:44:35 THIS APPLICATION HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED A COMPELLING
19:44:37 REASON TO INCREASE DENSITY.
19:44:39 LASTLY WE FEEL LAND USE CHANGES SHOULD BE DONE
19:44:45 INFREQUENTLY -- INFREQUENTLY AND WITH RESPECTFUL
19:44:48 CONSIDERATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ITS RESIDENTS AND
19:44:50 BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE.
19:44:55 WE HOPE YOU WILL CAREFULLY CONSIDER MAKING CHANGES THAT
19:45:01 WILL INFLICT SIGNIFICANT ON HYDE PARK.
19:45:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
19:45:17 NEXT SPEAKER.
19:45:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
19:45:23 >> HANG ON A SECOND.
19:45:25 I WILL JUST PUT IT DOWN HERE.
19:45:26 HELLO.
19:45:28 GOOD EVENING.
19:45:30 HELLO, GOOD EVENING.
19:45:36 MY NAME IS BATTISTA MORDINI AT SOUTH ORLEANS AVENUE.
19:45:38 I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS.
19:45:41 AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO SAY I AM -- I HAVE AN
19:45:44 UNDERGRADUATE AND MASTER FROM TULANE UNIVERSITY.
19:45:46 I HAVE GRADUATED IN 1998.
19:45:49 SO I HAVE BEEN IN THE INDUSTRY IN CONSTRUCTION AND
19:45:52 ARCHITECTURE INDUSTRY FOR 23 YEARS AND 28 YEARS,
19:45:56 INCLUDING SCHOOL WHICH HAD INTERNSHIPS AND WHATNOT.
19:45:59 PART OF MY MASTER'S DEGREE IS IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
19:46:02 ALL OF THESE THINGS PRESENT READY ABSOLUTELY
19:46:03 MISLEADING.
19:46:06 THE WAY THEY PRESENT THIS CASE IS ABSOLUTELY
19:46:07 MISLEADING.
19:46:10 THEY CAN'T TELL YOU THE BOUNDARIES OF DOBYVILLE AND
19:46:12 HISTORY OF DOBYVILLE.
19:46:16 HORATIO TO THE SOUTH, ROME TO THE LEFT AND WILLOW TO
19:46:17 THE RIGHT.
19:46:19 WILLOW WAS THE CUT GRAND.
19:46:22 BUILDING THESE MULTI FAMILY WHATNOT.
19:46:26 LET'S GO TO THIS MAP -- WHICH IS THE EXISTING -- NOT
19:46:27 FUTURE BUT EXISTING.
19:46:32 LET ME GET THE RIGHT ORIENTATION HERE.
19:46:34 SO TIME KIND OF NOT BLIND.
19:46:38 IT LOOKS ALL YELLOW AND ORANGE IS TWO FAMILIES.
19:46:40 SO ALL OF THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY.
19:46:41 ALL OF IT.
19:46:44 AND THE ONLY THING OVER HERE IS MULTIFAMILY.
19:46:47 YES, THESE ARE CONDOS.
19:46:50 NO HISTORIC -- I AM TALKING FAST BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT
19:46:51 TO SAY.
19:46:52 THIS HOUSE ON THE CORNER.
19:46:55 THE HISTORIC HOUSE WAS TORN DOWN AND THEY BUILT THIS
19:46:59 OBNOXIOUS MODERN THING THAT HAS NO CONTEXT IN THE
19:47:00 NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:47:00 WHY?
19:47:03 BECAUSE IT IS ON NATIONAL REGISTER.
19:47:04 NOT THE LOCAL REGISTER.
19:47:08 NORTH OF DE LEON WHICH IS THE NATIONAL REGISTER DOESN'T
19:47:08 MEAN ANYTHING.
19:47:11 YOU CAN TEAR IT DOWN AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH IT.
19:47:16 SO ON THIS CORNER HERE, THAT IS A HISTORIC HOUSE.
19:47:18 A CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
19:47:20 THAT IF IT WAS IN THE LOCAL REGISTER, YOU WOULD NOT BE
19:47:22 ABLE TO TOUCH IT.
19:47:26 AND YOU WANT TO TALK OF MAXIMIZING THE POTENTIAL OF
19:47:26 THIS LOT.
19:47:30 THE MOST BEAUTIFUL LOT WITH HISTORIC HOME AND THE
19:47:32 POTENTIAL FOR GIANT YARD.
19:47:35 WANT TO SHOW YOU PICTURES REAL QUICK OF THE ACTUAL
19:47:35 NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:47:41 IF I CAN HERE.
19:47:44 ALL RIGHT, SO -- THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY I AM
19:47:44 TALKING ABOUT.
19:47:45 CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
19:47:51 THIS HOUSE BEHIND IT BUILT IN -- IT WAS BUILT IN 190.
19:47:53 THESE ARE THE HOUSE NOTICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:47:53 ORIGINAL HOUSES.
19:47:56 THIS IS ONE OF THE SMALLEST HOUSES IN INCORPORATED
19:47:57 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
19:47:59 IT IS ONLY 465 SQUARE FEET.
19:48:01 100% ORIGINAL.
19:48:02 ACROSS.
19:48:05 DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE IN 1908.
19:48:07 EXACTLY THE SAME.
19:48:09 HERE IS THE HOUSE I AM TALKING ABOUT.
19:48:10 IN HOUSE IN 1908.
19:48:12 EXACTLY THE SAME AS MY HOUSE.
19:48:14 AND MY HOUSE IS THE BLUE ROOF.
19:48:17 AND THIS ONE HERE IS BOTH EXACTLY THE SAME BUILT IN
19:48:19 1908.
19:48:24 DOBYVILLE WAS HISTORICALLY OF SEGREGATED FAMILIES,
19:48:30 AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILIES TO BUILD THE TAMPA BAY HOTEL
19:48:31 WHICH IS NOW THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA.
19:48:34 AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSES THERE.
19:48:37 THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING -- NOTHING THAT PREVENTS
19:48:39 THEM FROM BUILDING EIGHT STORIES.
19:48:40 NOTHING.
19:48:48 AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, ONCE YOU ONCE YOU GET TO -- I
19:48:49 AM DONE WITH THE MAP HERE.
19:48:51 SO ONCE YOU GET TO -- ONCE YOU START A PROJECT, THE
19:48:55 FIRST THING YOU LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE ZONING PARAMETERS.
19:48:56 WHAT ARE THE CODES.
19:48:58 OH, I HAVE THIS SETBACK.
19:49:00 AND THE FIRST THING I LOOK AT WHAT IS THE HEIGHT
19:49:01 RESTRICTION.
19:49:02 35 FEET.
19:49:03 NO.
19:49:04 EIGHT STORIES.
19:49:06 SO YOU CAN BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT.
19:49:08 IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE.
19:49:11 DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MR. MICHELINI MISLEADS TO YOU
19:49:11 THINK.
19:49:13 MR. HEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PROFESSIONAL
19:49:18 QUALIFICATION YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
19:49:21 YOU CAN'T ANSWER A YES OR NO ON ZONING.
19:49:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
19:49:25 >> 360% INCREASE.
19:49:26 FIVE UNITS OVER THREE PROPERTIES.
19:49:28 18 UNITS OVER THREE PROPERTIES.
19:49:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:49:33 >> ABSOLUTELY AGAINST THIS AND OVERPACKS THE SCHOOLS
19:49:34 AND EVERYTHING.
19:49:35 RIDICULOUS.
19:49:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
19:49:38 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
19:49:41 I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET EXCITED.
19:49:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I BELIEVE THAT IS THE LAST
19:49:46 IN-PERSON SPEAKER AND GO TO THE VIRTUAL REGISTERED
19:49:47 SPEAKERS.
19:50:05 WE HAVE QUITE A FEW.
19:50:07 >>CLERK: MR. CHAIR WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE
19:50:11 BEEN ELEVATED AS A PANELIST: ANIKA VERHEIJEN, DAVID
19:50:16 RIGGLE, DAVID LORICK AND ROBERT PELAIA.
19:50:29 IF YOU TURN ON YOUR VIDEO AND UNMUTE YOURSELVES.
19:50:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, MY FIRST SPEAKER IS
19:50:33 ANIKA.
19:50:37 >> YES, HI, ANIKA VERHEIJEN.
19:50:41 GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
19:50:44 LIVE IN THE HOUSE 513 ORLEANS AVENUE, WHICH IS ACROSS
19:50:47 FROM 502 SOUTH ORLEANS HOSPITAL, ONE OF THE PROPOSED
19:50:52 SITE, AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN HYDE PARK FOR
19:50:53 20 YEARS.
19:50:56 WE ARE FROM RHODE ISLAND, SOUTH VERMONT AND FINALLY IN
19:50:59 THIS WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
19:51:02 AND THERE ARE FOUR, LIKE PREVIOUSLY SAID.
19:51:07 THEY ARE IN ALL THE CHARACTER OF HYDE PARK.
19:51:10 AND ALSO ACROSS FROM MY STREET IS ANOTHER FAMILY HOME
19:51:12 IS -- IT WAS OMITTED.
19:51:14 THAT WASN'T SAID YET.
19:51:15 AGAIN, FOUR BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
19:51:19 AND WE ARE VERY, VERY CONCERNED AND OPPOSED WHAT IS
19:51:22 HAPPENING AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO THE REZONING,
19:51:26 BECAUSE WE POSSIBLY COULD GET A VERY UGLY, HUGE
19:51:28 BUILDING ACROSS FROM US.
19:51:32 WE ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE SAFETY OF THE
19:51:32 NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:51:37 IN THESE FOUR HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS FROM THIS BUILDING
19:51:40 SITE, MY NEIGHBOR HAS THREE LITTLE CHILDREN.
19:51:44 I HAVE TWO LITTLE CHILDREN AND THEY LOVE PLAYING IN THE
19:51:45 FRONT YARDS.
19:51:48 IF THE DENSITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD INCREASES AND ALSO
19:51:52 TRAFFIC, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM OUT ON THE
19:51:53 STREET ANYMORE.
19:51:55 IT WILL BE UNSAFE.
19:52:00 ALSO THESE CHILDREN WALK TO GORRIE.
19:52:04 AND WHEN YOU -- RIGHT NOW ALREADY ACROSS THE STREET AT
19:52:08 WILSON, THE CAR DRIVERS CAN SEE YOU -- CAN'T SEE YOU
19:52:10 BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PARKED CARS.
19:52:14 THEY CAN'T SEE YOU WHEN YOU TRY TO CROSS THE STREET.
19:52:17 YOU WANT TO CROSS THE STREET WITH MY CAR, IT IS HARD TO
19:52:19 SEE IF ANY CARS ARE COMING.
19:52:20 SUPER UNSAFE SITUATION.
19:52:24 WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN WHAT HAPPENS ON BAYSHORE,
19:52:24 RIGHT.
19:52:28 THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DIE BECAUSE OF UNSAFE SITUATION.
19:52:29 TRAFFIC IS ALREADY BAD.
19:52:31 TRAFFIC WILL ONLY GET WORSE.
19:52:34 HOWARD IS CONGESTED.
19:52:36 WEST SWANN IS CONGESTED.
19:52:39 WILLOW IS CONGESTED AND WILL AFFECT THE ENTIRE
19:52:41 NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS DAVIS ISLAND.
19:52:42 MY OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED
19:52:44 INFRASTRUCTURE.
19:52:47 WE HAVE ALREADY HAVE FLOODING ISSUES.
19:52:50 WE HAVE STORMWATER ISSUES.
19:52:51 TRAFFIC CHALLENGES.
19:52:56 WHEN I LEAVE MY HOME IN THE MORNING AND I GO ON DE
19:52:59 LEON, OFTEN I HAVE PARKED CARS ON TWO SIDES OF MY ALLEY
19:53:03 AND I CAN BARELY GET OUT WITH MY CAR, RIGHT.
19:53:06 SO SEVERAL ISSUES THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH.
19:53:10 AND, AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD, YOU
19:53:13 KNOW, CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS.
19:53:16 MY LIFETIME SAVINGS ARE IN THIS HOME.
19:53:19 AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT DEPRECIATE WHEN WE ARE MOVED
19:53:23 -- OR BEING FORCED TO MOVE.
19:53:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:53:27 ALL RIGHT.
19:53:34 NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE IS DAVID RIGGLE.
19:53:36 AND PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.
19:53:42 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE MUTED.
19:53:43 >> OKAY.
19:53:44 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
19:53:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
19:53:47 >> THANK YOU.
19:53:50 THANK YOU, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS FOR TAKING TIME ON THIS
19:53:50 MATTER.
19:53:54 MY NAME IS DAVID REESE RIGGLE AND RESIDENT OF THE AREA
19:53:58 AND PAST PRESIDENT OF HYDE PARK SPANISH TOWN CREEK.
19:54:01 I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE A TRYING TIME FOR NEIGHBORHOOD
19:54:06 ASSOCIATION A DURING THIS PAST YEAR BECAUSE OF COVID AS
19:54:09 YOU MAY RECOGNIZE, DESPITE THAT, THERE HAVE BEEN A
19:54:11 SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INTEREST INTO THIS ISSUE.
19:54:15 ONE OF THE POINTS I WANT TO MAKE IS ALL THREE HYDE PARK
19:54:18 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ARE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST
19:54:21 FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY.
19:54:23 SIGNIFICANT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
19:54:26 MOST NOTABLY THAT EVERYONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, ARE
19:54:28 VOLUNTEERS IN THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
19:54:29 WE ARE NOT PAID.
19:54:32 THIS ISN'T OUR JOB.
19:54:35 AND ALL OF US HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME OUT OF OUR
19:54:40 LIVES, INCLUDING TODAY, TO BRING OUR POINTS UP, AND I
19:54:45 JUST HEARD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO SEE
19:54:46 THIS HAPPEN.
19:54:48 WHICH BRING ME TO MY NEXT POINT.
19:54:51 WE ARE NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN DECLINE.
19:54:54 TO THE CONTRARY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THRIVING.
19:54:58 AS IT HAS BEEN NOTED BY A COUPLE OF OTHERS, THESE
19:55:01 PROPERTIES AND THESE -- THIS AREA IS IN THE NATIONAL
19:55:03 HISTORIC AREA.
19:55:07 AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY TWO AREAS OF SIGNIFICANCE.
19:55:10 ONE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH IS THE LOCAL HISTORIC AREA.
19:55:12 ONE BLOCK TO THE NORTH IS DOBYVILLE.
19:55:16 I WON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THOSE TWO POINTS WHICH I
19:55:19 WAS PREPARED TO DO SO BUT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTED.
19:55:22 BUT THE -- I BELIEVE THAT THE REQUEST TO MAXIMIZE THE
19:55:25 DENSITY IN THIS AREA WHICH IS IN THE NATIONAL HISTORIC
19:55:30 AREA SEEMS OPPORTUNISTIC AND BENEFITS THE DEVELOPER
19:55:32 THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE.
19:55:37 THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY ZONED FOR MULTIFAMILY SO
19:55:39 WHAT THERE IS A NEED TO REZONE IT UP FOR LARGER
19:55:40 DENSITY.
19:55:43 WHILE THESE PROPERTIES ARE NOT IN THE LOCAL HISTORIC
19:55:47 AREA, BEING IN THE NATIONAL HISTORIC AREA SHOULD NOT BE
19:55:48 DISCOUNTED.
19:55:53 SIGNIFICANT CRITERIA MUST BE MET TO BE IN THE NATIONAL
19:55:57 HISTORIC AREA AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE IS STRONG
19:55:58 SUPPORT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE
19:56:01 LOCAL HISTORIC AREA THAT WOULD COVER THESE PROPERTIES
19:56:06 AND THE DEMOLITION OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WOULD
19:56:09 NOT FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS
19:56:12 DIRECTLY AGAINST THE WILL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE
19:56:16 FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE LOCAL HISTORIC AREA.
19:56:19 THE FACT THAT THIS -- THIS PART OF THE IS IT SI EVEN
19:56:23 ELIGIBLE TO BE EXPANDED INTO THE LOCAL HISTORIC AREA IS
19:56:24 SIGNIFICANT.
19:56:28 AND IT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REASON WHY THIS IS NOT A
19:56:32 NIMBY SITUATION, NOT IN MY BACK YARD.
19:56:36 AREA OF HYDE PARK NOT IN LOCAL BUT COULD BE IS
19:56:37 SIGNIFICANT.
19:56:39 IT IS UNIQUE.
19:56:41 WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT.
19:56:44 EVERYONE I HAVE SPOKEN TO IS FINE FOR DEVELOPMENT,
19:56:48 INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY, JUST AT THE RIGHT DENSITY.
19:56:51 AND THE DENSITY THAT IS BEING REQUESTED HERE DOES NOT
19:56:54 SEEM TO FIT IN THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:56:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:56:57 >> THANK YOU.
19:57:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS UP ROBERT.
19:57:04 >> HI.
19:57:05 NICE TO ME YOU.
19:57:08 MY NAME IS ROBERT PELAIA.
19:57:10 I LIVE AT 503 SOUTH WILLOW.
19:57:14 AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU SHOWED MY TOWN HOME IN AROUND
19:57:16 15 OF THE PICTURES THAT WAS SHOWN BY THE DEVELOPER AND
19:57:17 THE OWNERS.
19:57:21 IF I LOOK OVER MY RIGHT SHOULDER I CAN SEE THE HOUSE ON
19:57:24 THE CORNER OF ORLEANS AND OVER MY OTHER SHOULDER THE
19:57:27 YELLOW HOUSE ON THE CORNER AS IT HAS BEEN MANY YEARS
19:57:29 SINCE WE HAVE LIVED HERE.
19:57:32 TALK TO YOU ON BEHALF OF ALL OF THE TOWN HOMES ON THE
19:57:34 WILLOWS OF HYDE PARK.
19:57:36 AND I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU NEED
19:57:40 TO THINK ABOUT, AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION,
19:57:43 IN MY MIND MY WIFE AND I WERE SAYING THAT IS NOT TRUE.
19:57:45 THAT IS NOT ACCURATE.
19:57:45 THAT IS NOT TRUE.
19:57:49 IT IS REMARKABLE HOW THINGS ARE BEING PRESENTED AS
19:57:51 FACTUAL AND TRUTHFUL WHEN THEY ARE NOT.
19:57:54 AND THE NUISANCE TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN TALK OF THE
19:57:57 DENSITY OF THE HOUSING FROM HORATIO GOING NORTH TO
19:58:02 KENNEDY BEING SO DIFFERENT FROM ONE BLOCK OVER.
19:58:04 AND -- AND -- AND IT IS JUST ONE BLOCK.
19:58:07 I MEAN, THE DISTINCTION THAT THEY ARE DRAWING BETWEEN
19:58:11 THESE TWO SECTIONS OF TOWN IS -- IS JUST ONE TINY
19:58:13 LITTLE BLOCK.
19:58:16 AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN,
19:58:19 IF YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE AND
19:58:23 THE MISREPRESENTATIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE AND THE
19:58:26 OPPORTUNISTIC NATURE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
19:58:28 EVERYONE HAS PRETTY MUCH SAID THE SAME THING.
19:58:31 IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING
19:58:33 TO DO, THEY CAN ALREADY DO THAT.
19:58:35 THEY DON'T NEED THIS.
19:58:39 SO WHY ARE THEY ASKING FOR IT?
19:58:41 IF NOT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY AND TO
19:58:44 BUILD THE STRUCTURE THAT JUST WON'T FIT INTO THIS
19:58:45 HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
19:58:49 SO I JUST ASK YOU TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE LISTENING
19:58:52 TO THIS TESTIMONY, AND YOU ARE HEARING PEOPLE WHO
19:58:54 CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU THE YEARS THAT THINGS WERE BUILT.
19:58:58 AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THOSE TOWN HOMES WEREN'T BUILT IN
19:59:01 THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
19:59:04 FOR THAT AND I ASK TO YOU PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS
19:59:05 BEFORE YOU APPROVE THIS.
19:59:05 THANK YOU.
19:59:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
19:59:10 NECK SPEAKER IS AARON.
19:59:14 GO AHEAD, SIR.
19:58:48 AARON, YOU ARE MUTED, SIR.
19:59:17 IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOURSELF.
19:59:20 STILL MUTED.
19:59:32 I'M PRESIDENT OF HYDE PARK CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
19:59:37 APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
19:59:38 THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENT.
19:59:39 I'LL DO MY BEST TO BE BRIEF AND NOT REITERATE SEVERAL POINTS
19:59:43 THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN TO, BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION
19:59:47 THAT A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS HAVE SHOWN UP TO MY FRONT DOOR ON
19:59:52 HORATIO, HAVE CALLED ME MULTIPLE TIMES, THAT HAD INTENDED ON
19:59:59 SPEAKING, BUT I THINK THE PANDEMIC AND THE CONFUSION AROUND
20:00:04 THAT, AND THE FRONTAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
20:00:09 BUT TO DIVE INTO THE POINTS, I REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF
20:00:16 THE GATEWAY THAT IS THE GATEWAY ROAD TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,
20:00:19 CURRENTLY, AS A FEEDER STREET TO THE EXPRESSWAY AND THE
20:00:26 OVERPASS.
20:00:27 I BELIEVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BELIEVES THAT THIS
20:00:30 ZONE CHANGE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH ANY APPLICABLE
20:00:33 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE AREA.
20:00:34 WE HAVE ALREADY BROAD NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FOR OUR LOCAL
20:00:38 HISTORIC AREA, AND HYDE PARK IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY AFTER
20:00:44 UNANIMOUS VOTE BY THE ASSOCIATION.
20:00:48 IT WILL REQUIRE A NUMBER OF STRUCTURES IN ADDITION TO OUR
20:00:51 LOCAL BOARD WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE IS INSTRUMENTAL TO THE ARC
20:00:54 APPROVAL.
20:00:55 LOSING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES WILL IMPLEMENT OUR ABILITY TO
20:00:59 SEE THIS PLAN CHANGE.
20:01:01 ADDITIONALLY A ZONE CHANGE SEEKING HIGH DENSITIES WITH THE
20:01:05 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, MULTI-DEVELOPMENT AS MENTIONED BEFORE,
20:01:08 THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT AROUND SINCE THE 70s OR 80s,
20:01:13 CURRENTLY NOT IN LINE WITH THE FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS
20:01:16 IT STANDS TODAY.
20:01:17 I DO AGREE WITH SEVERAL OTHER COMMENTERS THAT ZONE CHANGE TO
20:01:26 ACT THE HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS, AND ALREADY CURRENTLY
20:01:29 THERE.
20:01:30 THE ZONE CHANGE ALSO APPEARS TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH
20:01:34 SURROUNDING USES.
20:01:36 ON HORATIO, REGARDLESS OF THE BLOCK FROM A LOCAL HISTORIC
20:01:47 AREA IN A NATURAL HISTORIC AREA, AND THE CURRENT DENSITY OF
20:01:52 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:01:55 AND NATIONALLY HISTORIC, THAT IS NOT -- THAT IS SIGNIFICANT
20:01:59 DESIGNATION.
20:01:59 ONE BLOCK IN A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, SIMILAR TO OUR SISTER
20:02:08 NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:02:08 REZONING NEIGHBORHOODS FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO MUCH
20:02:11 HIGHER DENSITY MULTIFAMILY WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING
20:02:14 IT IS OTHER SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES APPEARS TO BE
20:02:21 INCONSISTENT, AND THE ZONE CHANGE LASTLY IS NOT CONSISTENT
20:02:25 WITH ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES.
20:02:30 THERE IS A RECOGNIZED SAFETY CONCERN AROUND PEDESTRIAN
20:02:32 TRAFFIC HERE TONIGHT, AND I ALSO BELIEVE HURRICANE AND
20:02:37 DISASTER PREPAREDNESS, I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY IS
20:02:39 CURRENTLY -- WITH STATE REGULATIONS REGARDING HURRICANE AND
20:02:44 DISASTER PREPAREDNESS, LIKE A HIGHER DENSITY ZONE CHANGE
20:02:48 WILL FURTHER EXACERBATE.
20:02:52 I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS.
20:02:54 THANK YOU.
20:02:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS GOING TO ASK IF HE WAS SPEAKING ON
20:03:03 BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION OR HIMSELF.
20:03:04 >> I AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION.
20:03:10 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION?
20:03:12 >> THAT IS CORRECT.
20:03:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
20:03:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE FOR VIRTUAL PUBLIC
20:03:17 COMMENT?
20:03:19 >> CHAIR, I DO HAVE DAVID LORICK ON THE LINE.
20:03:23 HOWEVER HE DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CAPABILITY.
20:03:24 >> I AM UNMUTED.
20:03:30 CAN YOU HEAR ME?
20:03:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED TO SEE YOUR FACE IF YOU ARE
20:03:35 GOING TO BE SPEAKING.
20:03:36 >> YES.
20:03:37 LET ME SEE WHY THAT'S NOT ON.
20:03:39 I'M SORRY FOR THE DELAY.
20:03:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS YOU'RE CAMERA TURNED ON?
20:03:52 >> I'M CHECKING IT NOW.
20:03:54 >>THE CLERK: IF YOU ARE CALLING FROM A YELL PHONE, IT WILL
20:03:58 NOT WORK.
20:04:00 >> I AM USING A TABLET.
20:04:01 >>THE CLERK: YOU ARE USING A TABLET?
20:04:03 >> I AM USING A TABLET.
20:04:05 AND I HAVE USED THIS FOR TELECONFERENCE BEFORE.
20:04:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, ARE WE ABLE TO TAKE HIS
20:04:16 PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE IT'S NOT A REZONING, JUST A SEPARATE
20:04:20 ISSUE? OR DO WE HAVE TO SEE THE GENTLEMAN ON CAMERA?
20:04:23 >> I CAN RELATE WHAT I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN BUT I WANTED TO
20:04:31 GIVE IN THE PERSON AND GIVE THE OTHER TESTIMONY.
20:04:34 I WOULD APPRECIATE OFFERING SOME INPUT.
20:04:37 I MUST SAY THAT ALL MY PREPARED COMMENTS, THEY WERE COVERED
20:04:43 WELL BY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ASKED QUESTIONS OF THE
20:04:46 PETITIONER.
20:04:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.
20:04:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A MOMENT.
20:04:49 JUST A MOMENT.
20:04:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
20:04:54 I DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S NOT ABLE TO DO IT.
20:04:57 WE HAVE HAD ISSUES BEFORE.
20:05:01 I GUESS IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT, WE HAVE NOT GENERALLY
20:05:06 ALLOWED AUDIO FOR LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.
20:05:14 FRANKLY, I BELIEVE FOR CONSISTENCY, BUT THE QUESTION IS, THE
20:05:18 QUESTION IS WHETHER IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO SO NOW.
20:05:23 DID YOU SAY, SIR, YOU SENT SOMETHING IN WRITING?
20:05:26 >> NO.
20:05:27 I SAID -- I SAID RATHER THAN SEND SOMETHING IN WRITING, I
20:05:31 WANTED TO HEAR THE OTHER TESTIMONY AND BE ABLE TO OFFER MY
20:05:35 OWN.
20:05:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK THE PETITIONER IF HE HAS ANY
20:05:39 OBJECTION TO THIS?
20:05:42 I'M SORRY, MR. MIRANDA WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
20:05:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE
20:05:46 YOURSELF, SIR.
20:05:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ONLY THING THAT I AM GOING TO SAY,
20:05:50 THIS IS A NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
20:05:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S CORRECT SIR.
20:05:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE --
20:05:58 >>> DOES THE PETITIONER HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THIS, JUST
20:06:01 LISTENING TO THE AUDIO?
20:06:03 MR. MICHELINI?
20:06:06 JUST ONE PERSON.
20:06:06 >>STEVE MICHELINI: COUNCIL, AS A COURTESY, WE WILL NOT
20:06:19 OBJECT TO HIM TESTIFYING.
20:06:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
20:06:24 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
20:06:26 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
20:06:26 >> MY NAME IS DAVID WARRICK, MY ADDRESS IS 601 SOUTH WILLOW
20:06:32 AVENUE.
20:06:32 THAT'S ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
20:06:37 AND I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE, A HOMEOWNER SINCE 1981.
20:06:43 THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMENTS I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT HAVE
20:06:45 ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY QUESTIONS, BY CITY COUNCIL
20:06:50 MEMBERS, AND THEY HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS I HAD
20:06:54 THE WAY THIS WAS PREPARED.
20:06:57 FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS THAT
20:07:00 CAME UP REGARDING THE HISTORIC NATURE OF TREND IN THIS AREA.
20:07:06 I REMEMBER WHEN HYDE PARK VILLAGE WAS BEING BUILT AND
20:07:11 NEIGHBORS WERE ALLOWED TO GO IN TO SOME OF THE OLD HOMES IN
20:07:17 THAT AREA AND REMOVE FIXTURES AND TRIM AND STORED IN
20:07:22 GARAGES, SUPPORT RENOVATION IN THE AREA.
20:07:25 I REMEMBER WHAT WAS HAPPENING BACK THEN AND HOW WE WERE ALL
20:07:28 PUSHING FOR THE DESIGNATION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TO
20:07:31 PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:07:37 IT WAS WELL TAKEN THAT SOUTH OF SWANN WOULD BE PROTECTED,
20:07:41 BUT IT WAS NOT GUARANTEED, WHETHER OR NOT NORTH OF SWANN WAS
20:07:44 GOING TO BE TURNED INTO A CAR DEALERSHIP OR WHO KNOWS WHAT?
20:07:49 AND AS IT WAS, THE ARGUMENT WAS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF
20:07:53 CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES NORTH OF SWANN, AND THAT
20:07:57 THERE SHOULD BE AN AREA DESIGNATING PART OF THE LOCAL
20:08:02 HISTORIC DISTRICT TO PROTECT THE ENTIRE AREA.
20:08:06 AND WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, WE SAW EXAMPLES OF TWO FINE OLD
20:08:13 HOMES THAT WERE NOT IN NEED OF EXTENSIVE RENOVATION DEMOED,
20:08:19 PUT UP, 15 TOWNHOMES.
20:08:21 AND THIS IS BACK IN THE 80s.
20:08:24 AND IT WAS A TRAVESTY TO US THAT LIVED HERE THEN SEEING A
20:08:27 LOSS OF THAT MUCH CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:08:30 I THOUGHT THOSE DAYS WERE OVER.
20:08:33 MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, THEIR HOME, I THINK, IS 1770 SQUARE
20:08:39 FEET.
20:08:40 THEY LISTED IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT 1 MILLION 50,000,
20:08:47 AND THAT WEEKEND AT OPEN HOUSE THEY HAD TWO OFFERS AND
20:08:50 ACCEPTED ONE.
20:08:51 THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TURNED AROUND.
20:08:52 ACROSS FROM 502 SOUTH ORLEANS, THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT ABOUT
20:08:59 15 YEARS AGO, AND I REMEMBER SEEING ONE OF THEM LISTED FOR
20:09:03 CLOSE TO 900,000 SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
20:09:08 THE DIRECTION AND TREND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ESTABLISHED
20:09:11 LONG AGO DURING THE EARLIER STAFF PRESENTATION, THEY
20:09:19 MENTIONED THAT EVERYTHING NORTH OF HORATIO ON ORLEANS IS
20:09:25 R-20.
20:09:26 THAT MAY BE, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THEY ARE ALL SINGLE-FAMILY
20:09:30 DETACHED HOMES.
20:09:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
20:09:37 A MILLION DOLLARS FOR 770 SQUARE FEET.
20:09:40 >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT'S LIKE A CONDO.
20:09:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
20:09:48 ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?
20:09:50 IF NOT, WE GO TO MR. MICHELINI.
20:09:55 FOR REBUTTAL.
20:09:58 I HEAR AND SEE NONE.
20:09:59 MR. MICHELINI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT, SIR?
20:10:03 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I HAVE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
20:10:05 FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMEBODY
20:10:08 CONCERN ABOUT THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE LAND USE AT 502
20:10:13 ORLEANS WHICH IS THIS PROPERTY IF YOU ARE ON THE SCREEN.
20:10:17 CAN YOU SEE THAT?
20:10:28 CAN YOU SEE THAT?
20:10:30 IS THAT VISIBLE TO YOU?
20:10:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:10:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI: OKAY.
20:10:35 WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST TO REMOVE THAT FROM
20:10:38 CONSIDERATION SO WE ARE NO LONGER ASKING FOR 502 ORLEANS TO
20:10:44 BE CONSIDERED FOR ANY LAND USE CHANGE.
20:10:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO YOU ARE ONLY ASKING FOR THE PROPERTY
20:10:51 THERE IN YELLOW?
20:10:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:10:54 AND WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING THAT THAT BE CHANGED TO REQUEST
20:10:58 FOR RESIDENTIAL 20 AND NOT RESIDENTIAL 35.
20:11:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, ARE YOU GETTING
20:11:07 THIS INFORMATION?
20:11:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK THE STAFF, DOES THAT REQUIRE A
20:11:10 CONTINUANCE?
20:11:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THEY HAVE TO RENOTICE.
20:11:19 >>BILL CARLSON: AND THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO COMMENT ON
20:11:21 THE NEW PROPOSAL.
20:11:23 >>STEVE MICHELINI: WELL, IT'S A REDUCTION IN DENSITY.
20:11:26 FOUNTAIN REQUIRES A CONTINUANCE, THAT'S FINE.
20:11:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS, I WOULD LIKE
20:11:30 STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL, PLEASE.
20:11:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THIS NEED TO BE CONTINUED AND
20:11:36 RENOTICED FOR THE CHANGE MADE BY THE APPLICANT?
20:11:44 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I SEE YOUR HAND.
20:11:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.
20:11:48 I AM A STREET GUY.
20:11:49 I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CHANGE THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND
20:11:51 CONTINUE WITH THIS HEARING.
20:11:52 THIS IS ADVERTISED AS WHAT IT IS TODAY.
20:11:55 AND WHO KNOWS WHO IS GOING TO SHOW UP IF IT GOES THE OTHER
20:11:59 WAY AROUND?
20:12:00 MIGHT BE THE SAME.
20:12:00 MIGHT BE MORE.
20:12:01 MIGHT BE LESS.
20:12:05 I HAVE TO SPEAK OUTLOUD HOW I FEEL.
20:12:10 >> IN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A
20:12:13 CONTINUANCE SO WE CAN AMEND THIS APPLICATION.
20:12:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE ITEM NUMBER 3?
20:12:20 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:12:21 IT INCLUDES ITEM NUMBER 3.
20:12:22 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: THIS IS THE ITEM ON NUMBER 1 SO JUST
20:12:33 FOCUS ON ITEM NUMBER 1, PLEASE.
20:12:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OH, YES.
20:12:36 THEY GO TOGETHER.
20:12:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
20:12:43 YOU ARE OBJECTING?
20:12:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THIS.
20:12:45 AND I APOLOGIZE I.DID STEP OUT OF THE ROOM FOR A MINUTE.
20:12:48 I THINK I HEARD FROM THE AUDIO SPEAKERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE.
20:12:53 SO MR. MICHELINI, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC?
20:12:57 OR RESTATE WHAT YOU SAID WHEN I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM?
20:13:00 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:13:01 WE WOULD WITHDRAW THE REQUEST FOR LAND USE CHANGE ON 502
20:13:05 ORLEANS.
20:13:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COMPLETELY?
20:13:07 >>STEVE MICHELINI: COMPLETELY.
20:13:08 WITHDRAW THAT REQUEST.
20:13:10 AND ATTAR THE REQUEST FOR 411 AND 413 WILLOW WITH A
20:13:16 REDUCTION GOING TO A REQUEST TO RESIDENTIAL 20.
20:13:20 AND THEN RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A CONTINUANCE SO THAT WE CAN
20:13:24 DO THE PROPER NOTICE IF THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE PLANNING
20:13:28 COMMISSION.
20:13:29 AND WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE SURPRISED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
20:13:33 TRYING TO DO.
20:13:35 A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE RELATED TO REZONING,
20:13:39 BUT SOME RELATED TO DENSITY.
20:13:41 WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO OVERBUILD OR CREATE A CONDITION
20:13:48 THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH.
20:13:50 WE ARE TRYING TO BE COMPATIBLE, NOT INCOMPATIBLE.
20:13:54 AND IF YOU REMEMBER, RESIDENTIAL 20 EXISTS IMMEDIATELY TO
20:13:58 THE WEST OF THESE PROPERTIES, AND RESIDENTIAL 35 IS
20:14:02 IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST.
20:14:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS MY ONLY SUGGESTION, MR. CHAIR,
20:14:08 PROCEDURALLY, IS PROBABLY TO BREAK THOSE INTO TWO PARTS.
20:14:13 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
20:14:18 GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE REQUEST OF CHANGES, AND I AM NOT
20:14:23 SURE WHAT IS INVOLVED, OR WHAT THE IMPLICATION HAS FOR THE
20:14:27 PLANNING COMMISSION'S EVALUATION BOTH FOR STAFF AS WELL AS
20:14:30 COMMISSION, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE REQUEST WOULD BE TO
20:14:35 WITHDRAW THIS APPLICATION AND WORK WITH THE PLANNING
20:14:38 COMMISSION TO COME BACK WITH A MODIFIED APPLICATION.
20:14:41 PERHAPS MR. HEY HAS SOME COMMENT ON WHAT WILL BE INVOLVED
20:14:44 WITH WHAT MR. MICHELINI IS TRYING TO REQUEST.
20:14:46 BUT I THINK TO MANIPULATE THIS APPLICATION AS IT SITS AND
20:14:51 CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN I THINK IS A LITTLE
20:14:54 PROBLEMATIC.
20:14:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
20:14:55 MR. HEY?
20:14:56 >>DAVID HEY: THIS IS DAVID HEY WITH PLANNING COMMISSION.
20:15:00 JUST TO REFERENCE -- AND FOR SUSAN, BUT ON PAGE 69, WHICH IS
20:15:10 THE PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST, THE THIRD BULLET DOES DISCUSS
20:15:19 WHERE THE CITY, IF CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE DETERMINATION THAT
20:15:23 THE EXISTING LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT,
20:15:27 IT MAY APPROVE THE AMENDMENT, OR DIRECT THE LOCAL PLANNING
20:15:29 AGENCY TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING
20:15:34 LAND USE CLASSIFICATION.
20:15:36 AND THEN THE FOURTH BULLET, THE LAND USE IS CHANGED BASED ON
20:15:41 THIS CRITERIA, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL -- SITE PLAN
20:15:46 DISTRICT, AND IS PROVIDED FOR IN THE CITY LAND DEVELOPMENT
20:15:49 REGULATIONS.
20:15:54 I DON'T -- AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I DON'T THINK IF
20:15:58 THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ANY CATEGORY THAT IS A REDUCTION
20:16:05 IN DENSITY, AND REDUCING THE OVERALL ACREAGE, THAT IT NEEDS
20:16:10 TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
20:16:13 IT CAN BE HANDLED AT THIS LEVEL, BECAUSE IF AN R-35 IS
20:16:20 DEEMED APPROPRIATE ON A LARGER PARCEL BY THE PLANNING
20:16:23 COMMISSION, AND THEN AT CITY COUNCIL IT'S REDUCED IN
20:16:30 ACREAGE, AND INTENSITY, I DON'T THINK IT REQUIRES ANOTHER
20:16:37 REVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
20:16:38 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO FOCUS ON
20:16:46 THE FIRST PART OF THAT, IF CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE
20:16:49 DETERMINATION THAT THE EXISTING LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS
20:16:52 NO LONGER IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.
20:16:55 SO IT'S ONLY AT THE POINT AFTER YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION
20:17:01 THAT YOU MAY DIRECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROPOSE AN
20:17:04 ALTERNATIVE.
20:17:05 AND SO AT THIS POINT YOU HAVEN'T MADE THAT DETERMINATION.
20:17:08 YOU HAVEN'T MADE ANY DETERMINATION.
20:17:11 SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING,
20:17:15 DAVID.
20:17:15 >>CATE WELLS: IF I MAY, SINCE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A
20:17:21 REDUCTION IN THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA TO BE INCLUDED IN THE COMP
20:17:24 PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL AS A REDUCTION IN THE DENSITY, WE NOW
20:17:29 HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION FOR FIRST
20:17:32 READING AND I WOULD RECOMMEND INSTEAD THAT THIS HEARING BE
20:17:35 CONTINUED TO A DATE CERTAIN, AND I DEFER COUNCIL ON WHETHER
20:17:41 YOU FEEL THAT REPOSTING AND RENOTICING IS APPROPRIATE.
20:17:45 I DON'T THINK IT'S REQUIRED, BUT THAT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S
20:17:47 DISCRETION.
20:17:49 I JUST RECOMMEND THAT IT BE MOVED OUT IN ORDER TO ALLOW, IF
20:17:56 COUNCIL IS SO INCLINED, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST BY MR.
20:18:01 MICHELINI, NOT TO APPROVE THE REDUCTION, BUT CONSIDERATION
20:18:05 OF IT, I RECOMMEND THAT JUST BE MOVED OUT TO --
20:18:13 >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE SAYING BETWEEN NOW AND THE
20:18:15 CONTINUANCE, IF HE COULD AMEND THE APPLICATION TO MAKE THE
20:18:18 CHANGES HE REQUESTED, TO REDUCE THE DENSITY AND TAKE ONE OF
20:18:22 THE PARCELS OUT, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A NEW APPLICATION
20:18:25 BUT IT WOULD BE A REVISED APPLICATION WITH ALL THOSE
20:18:27 CHANGES?
20:18:30 >>CATE WELLS: I DON'T KNOW THAT THE APPLICATION ITSELF HAS
20:18:32 TO BE REVISED.
20:18:33 HE HAS STIPULATED ON THE RECORD THE PROPOSED REVISION.
20:18:38 BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY FOR YOUR
20:18:40 CONSIDERATION ON FIRST READING THIS EVENING.
20:18:44 AND IT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION GIVEN THE CHANGE IN
20:18:47 DIRECTION REQUESTED BY APPLICANT THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER A
20:18:50 CONTINUANCE, IF THE APPLICANT IS SO INCLINED, AND TO ALLOW
20:18:54 IT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THAT LOWER DENSITY AS WELL AS THE
20:18:58 REDUCTION IN SIZE, AND I WOULD DEFER TO COUNCIL ON WHETHER
20:19:02 THAT CONTINUED HEARING WOULD NEED TO BE RENOTICED, IT'S A
20:19:08 DISCRETIONARY DECISION.
20:19:10 >>BILL CARLSON: MS. JOHNSON-VELEZ SAID THAT ONE OPTION
20:19:13 WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION AND
20:19:16 FILE A NEW APPLICATION.
20:19:16 WHAT WOULD BE THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT FOR HIM?
20:19:19 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER OR BEST
20:19:26 IF HE COULD WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE
20:19:28 WHAT THE APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION, IF THEY REQUIRE HIM
20:19:32 TO REAPPLY OR MODIFY THIS IN THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN NOW AND
20:19:36 WHATEVER COUNCIL MAKES.
20:19:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I JUST INQUIRE OF THE PLANNING
20:19:42 COMMISSION STAFF AND CITY STAFF HOW MUCH TIME WOULD BE
20:19:45 APPROPRIATE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW ALL THESE ISSUES TO
20:19:47 BE ADDRESSED TO A DATE AND TIME CERTAIN?
20:19:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU SAY?
20:19:54 WE HAVE SOME PRETTY FULL MEETINGS.
20:19:55 YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME YOU NEED OVERALL.
20:20:01 JULY 22ND AT 6 P.M.
20:20:03 I KNOW IT'S FAR OUT, BUT IT LOOKS PRETTY OPEN.
20:20:06 EVERYTHING ELSE IS QUITE A FEW ITEMS, AND I DON'T WANT TO
20:20:09 OVERBURDEN -- YES, SIR, MR. HEY.
20:20:11 >>DAVID HEY: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT ALL DEPENDS ON
20:20:16 REALLY WHAT YOUR PROCESS IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DECIDE ON.
20:20:21 IF YOU ARE JUST CONTINUING THIS OUT TO ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL
20:20:26 MEETING, AND NOT SENDING IT BACK FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION
20:20:32 FOR AN ENTIRE REVIEW, THE TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING
20:20:37 ON WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE, BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO -- IF YOU
20:20:45 DECIDE THAT IT HAS TO GO BACK TO A PLANNING COMMISSION
20:20:48 HEARING, WE HAVE TO TIP THAT INTO THE CYCLE, YOU KNOW, THE
20:20:53 PLANNING COMMISSION CYCLE.
20:20:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU SAY, THREE DAYS
20:20:57 OR FIVE MONTHS?
20:20:58 >> IF I MAY.
20:21:02 I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF RETURNING THIS TO THE PLANNING
20:21:04 COMMISSION GIVING GIVEN THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOUND
20:21:09 IT CONSISTENT, BOTH THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA AND THE GREATER
20:21:12 INTENSITY OR DENSITY.
20:21:13 SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT RETURNING IT TO THE PLANNING
20:21:18 COMMISSION WHERE THEY ARE REQUESTING A LOWER DENSITY AND
20:21:21 REMOVING SOME OF THE PARCELS FROM CONSIDERATION WOULD CHANGE
20:21:24 THE OUTCOME OF ITS RECOMMENDATION.
20:21:26 SO WHAT I AM RECOMMENDING INSTEAD, GIVEN THAT THEY ARE
20:21:29 REDUCING THE SCALE AND GEOGRAPHIC AREA OF THE AMENDMENT THAT
20:21:35 IT BE CONTINUED, WHETHER IT'S 30 DAYS.
20:21:40 IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PUSHED THAT FURTHER OUT UNLESS YOU
20:21:43 WANT THEM TO RENOTICE IT.
20:21:44 IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO RENOTICE IT, IT'S DISCRETIONARY,
20:21:48 AND THIS CAN JUST BE CONTINUED TO YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING
20:21:51 WHERE YOU HAVE GOT ROOM.
20:21:59 >>BILL CARLSON: LEGAL QUESTION.
20:22:00 IF THE MOTION TO CONTINUE FAILS, CAN WE STILL VOTE IT DOWN
20:22:05 TONIGHT, OR DO WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CONTINUE IT?
20:22:08 >>CATE WELLS: IF THE MOTION TO CONTINUE NOW, THEN YOU CAN
20:22:13 VOTE IT UP OR DOWN TONIGHT.
20:22:15 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
20:22:19 >>RYAN MANASSE: CHAIR, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
20:22:23 AND CATE, PLEASE JUMP IN IF YOU WANT TO CORRECT ME.
20:22:28 I KNOW WE ARE NOT SPEAKING ABOUT REZONING BUT WE ARE TALKING
20:22:31 ABOUT TIMELINES. IF YOU WANT THEM TO RUN CONCURRENTLY THE
20:22:34 ZONING MAY NEED ADDITIONAL TIMELINE TO CONFIGURE THE SITE
20:22:37 PLAN.
20:22:37 SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY GIVE THE STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO
20:22:42 REVIEW THE SITE PLAN.
20:22:43 I'M SORRY, I AM SPEAKING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 3, BUT I WANT TO
20:22:46 MAKE CLEAR TO COUNCIL THAT YOU CONTINUE THIS, I DON'T THINK
20:22:49 THE REZONING WOULD BE ABLE TO GO AT THE SAME TIME.
20:22:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE SHOULD PUSH IT TO JULY 22ND.
20:22:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, WHY DON'T WE HEAR FROM THE
20:22:58 PETITIONER IF WE CAN PLEASE?
20:23:01 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:23:01 I WAS GOING TO CONCUR WITH RYAN MANASSE THAT THERE'S A
20:23:05 COMPANION CEASE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED AND CERTAINLY
20:23:08 JULY WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE DATE.
20:23:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUNE 10th MIGHT BE TOO SOON AND
20:23:13 EVERYTHING ELSE IS VERY FULL.
20:23:16 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE TIME TO WORK OUT
20:23:18 THE STRATEGIC ISSUES WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF,
20:23:20 ALTHOUGH NOT WITH THE STAFF ITSELF, NOT GOING BACK TO
20:23:24 COMMISSIONERS, BUT ALSO GOING BACK AND REVISITING THE ISSUE
20:23:27 WITH THEM, AS WELL AS CITY STAFF.
20:23:30 I THINK JULY 22ND WOULD BE AN AGREEABLE DATE.
20:23:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO YOU WISH TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER
20:23:37 1 -- IT WILL TAKE TWO SEPARATE VOTES SINCE THEY ARE TWO
20:23:40 SEPARATE ITEMS.
20:23:41 SO THERE'S NO LEGAL CONFUSION.
20:23:43 TO JULY 22ND AT 6:00 P.M.
20:23:45 IS THAT CORRECT?
20:23:46 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:23:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT?
20:23:49 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION BUT ENSURING THAT
20:23:51 THE PUBLIC IS RENOTICED ON THIS.
20:23:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI, THE PUBLIC WILL BE
20:23:55 RENOTICED ON THIS?
20:23:57 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, WE AGREE TO RENOTICE.
20:23:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
20:24:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT WAS GOING TO BE
20:24:02 MY QUESTION.
20:24:03 >> COUNCILMAN CITRO HAS MADE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM
20:24:06 NUMBER 1 WITH RENOTICING THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO 6:00 P.M.,
20:24:10 JULY 22ND.
20:24:13 YES, SIR?
20:24:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MICHELINI, YOU HAVE BEEN IN THIS
20:24:18 BUSINESS A LONG TIME.
20:24:19 I CAN ONLY ASK, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD MEET WITH
20:24:22 ALL THREE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND MANY OF THE
20:24:25 NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS WHAT YOU PLAN
20:24:30 TO ACCOMPLISH, NOT ONLY WITH THE PLAN AMENDMENT, BUT OF
20:24:33 COURSE WITH ANY REZONING.
20:24:34 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:24:38 AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THE JULY DATE GIVES US
20:24:41 SUFFICIENT TIME TO SIT DOWN AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THE
20:24:43 PROPOSAL IS.
20:24:45 THANK YOU.
20:24:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER
20:24:48 CITRO.
20:24:49 DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOTION?
20:24:50 >> SECOND.
20:24:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER
20:24:57 DINGFELDER, BECAUSE WE ARE VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON, LET'S TAKE
20:25:00 A ROLL CALL VOTE.
20:25:01 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:25:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:25:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
20:25:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:25:07 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
20:25:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:25:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:25:12 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
20:25:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:25:16 NOW, MR. SHELBY, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER
20:25:19 3, BECAUSE IT'S A COMPANION PIECE, AND WE ASSUME IT WOULD BE
20:25:23 CONTINUED TO THE SAME DATE?
20:25:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR.
20:25:25 AND THE HEARINGS WERE ALL OPENED.
20:25:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MICHELINI, ITEM NUMBER 3 TO BE
20:25:33 CONTINUED TO JULY 22ND AT 6:00 P.M. AS WELL?
20:25:36 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:25:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: INCLUDING RENOTICING AND EVERYTHING
20:25:39 JUST LIKE NUMBER 1?
20:25:42 >> YES, SIR.
20:25:43 WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING NUMBER 3 WITH I IS A REZONING
20:25:46 COMPANION PIECE BE CONTINUED TO JULY 22ND, 6 P.M. WITH THE
20:25:50 OBLIGATION OF RENOTICING THE NEIGHBORS.
20:25:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
20:25:53 >>JOSEPH CITRO: [OFF MICROPHONE] -- THE AUDIENCE ABOUT THE
20:26:01 REQUEST?
20:26:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR.
20:26:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, THANK YOU.
20:26:06 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 3 TO JULY 22ND
20:26:12 AT 6 P.M.
20:26:13 MOTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER.
20:26:15 SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER CITRO.
20:26:17 ROLL CALL VOTE.
20:26:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:26:21 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:26:22 >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
20:26:24 >> YES.
20:26:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
20:26:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:26:30 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:26:32 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO.
20:26:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2, WOULD
20:26:37 YOU MIND IF WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS?
20:26:40 ALL RIGHT.
20:26:41 WE ARE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
20:26:44 (CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN RECESS).
20:26:56
20:29:31 (TAMPA CITY COUNCIL RESUMES)
20:31:07
20:31:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL PLEASE.
20:39:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.
20:39:57 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
20:39:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.
20:40:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.
20:40:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
20:40:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
20:40:05 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
20:40:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WONDERFUL.
20:40:10 BEFORE WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 2, WE NOW BEGIN THE
20:40:14 QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEMS THROUGH 7.
20:40:18 IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
20:40:21 AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
20:40:22 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
20:40:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
20:40:34 LET'S BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER 2.
20:40:35 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
20:40:39 [OFF MICROPHONE] FILE REZ 21-18.
20:40:44 PLEASE SHARE MY SCREEN.
20:40:49 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
20:40:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, WE CAN SEE IT.
20:40:52 GO AHEAD.
20:40:53 >> THANK YOU.
20:40:58 [OFF MICROPHONE]
20:41:10 -- 45-FOOT SECTION OF BUILDING HATES FOR THE DALE MABRY
20:41:14 PORTION OF THE SITE BY REORIENTATING THE BUILDING AND ADDING
20:41:17 THE 8 FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG THE EAST AND INCORPORATE THE
20:41:20 OTHER CHANGES AS REQUESTED IN THIS ORIGINAL PRESENTED STAFF
20:41:23 REPORT.
20:41:25 IT'S STAFF KNOWLEDGE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THE
20:41:27 SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND HAS SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN
20:41:29 ELEVATION PACKAGE WITH THOSE CORRECTIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT
20:41:32 WERE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL.
20:41:34 WHAT I WILL DO HERE IS I WILL GO THROUGH A FEW OF THOSE
20:41:38 CHANGES ON THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN, AND THEN I WILL TURN IT
20:41:41 OVER TO THE AGENT TO FURTHER DETAIL THOSE.
20:41:44 SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE BEAR, BUT THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING
20:41:50 THE 8-FOOT WALL WITH THE DIMENSION BUILDING, AND THEN THE
20:41:54 SETBACKS THAT WERE REQUESTED.
20:41:56 ALSO, THE REVISED ELEVATIONS.
20:41:59 I'LL GET TO.
20:42:00 THAT THOSE ARE THE SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS.
20:42:02 THEY ARE REVISED, AND I PROVIDED THEM IN THIS PowerPoint
20:42:05 PRESENTATION.
20:42:06 AGENT HAS AGREED TO MAKE THOSE CORRECTIONS TO THE ORIGINAL
20:42:09 SITE PLAN TO INCLUDE THE MODIFICATIONS OUTLINED IN THIS
20:42:13 SCALED-DOWN VERSION SITE PLAN SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED
20:42:16 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
20:42:19 WE STILL DO HAVE THE SAME CONSISTENT FINDING BY DEVELOPMENT
20:42:22 COORDINATION, AND THE ELEVATIONS AS REVISED WILL SHOW THE
20:42:27 HEIGHT I AM REFERENCING TO AT 35 FEET TO THE NORTH, THE
20:42:30 MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE EAST ELEVATION,
20:42:36 AND THE WEST ELEVATION.
20:42:39 WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL TURN IT BACK TO CHAIR, AND IF
20:42:42 THE AGENT WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER THE MODIFICATION AGREED UPON
20:42:45 FROM CITY COUNCIL IN THE FIRST READING, AND SHOULD YOU HAVE
20:42:47 ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I AM AVAILABLE.
20:42:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY.
20:42:52 QUESTION FOR STAFF.
20:42:54 FOR PURPOSES OF REVIEW, WAS CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED WITH THESE
20:42:57 REVISED STAFF REPORTS?
20:42:59 EXCUSE ME, WITH THE REVISED SITE PLAN?
20:43:02 >>RYAN MANASSE: SO, COUNCIL, ON APRIL 8th, CONTINUED
20:43:06 TWO WEEKS, THAT'S TYPICALLY REALLY NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR A
20:43:09 FULL SITE PLAN REVIEW REVISED STAFF REPORT.
20:43:12 SO THESE MINOR MODIFICATIONS WERE CLEARLY SHOWN ON THE SITE
20:43:14 PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY SUBMITTED BY STEVE MICHELINI TO
20:43:19 ENSURE THAT STAFF WAS STILL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THOSE
20:43:21 ADDITIONS TO INCLUDE THE REVISIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL STAFF
20:43:25 REPORT.
20:43:25 SO AS I STATED, I STILL WANT COUNCIL TO KEEP IN MIND THAT
20:43:29 ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE APRIL 8th,
20:43:32 WILL STILL BE SITE PLAN OF REVIEW, BUT THIS WAS JUST TO SHOW
20:43:36 THAT THE APPLICANT WENT BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WENT
20:43:41 BACK TO THEIR DESIGN AND AMENDED SOME OF THE ITEMS OF APRIL
20:43:47 1st.
20:43:48 SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED TONIGHT THE MODIFICATION SHOWN ON
20:43:50 APRIL 8th AS WELL AS THOSE COUNCIL DIRECTED ONES WOULD
20:43:53 BE SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
20:43:56 READING AND CERTIFIED BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.
20:43:58 DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. SHELBY?
20:44:00 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.
20:44:00 WOULD THAT REQUIRE A LONGER CONTINUANCE FOR THAT PURPOSE?
20:44:03 >>RYAN MANASSE: NO, SIR.
20:44:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.
20:44:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:44:08 SO I BELIEVE WE CAN GO RIGHT TO THE APPLICANT ON THIS.
20:44:12 CORRECT?
20:44:13 YES, SIR, MR. MICHELINI?
20:44:14 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I AM READY TO GO.
20:44:16 WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORS, AS WELL AS THE CITY
20:44:18 STAFF, AND WE ARE PRESENTING THIS ELEVATION WHICH SEEMED TO
20:44:23 BE THE BASIC ISSUE REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
20:44:28 IT'S NOW AT 35 FEET.
20:44:31 AND THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN DIDN'T DEPICT THE MASONRY WALL,
20:44:35 SO WE WILL FINISH THIS UP AND PROVIDE THE -- CAN'T SEE IT
20:44:43 THERE.
20:44:43 WE GO.
20:44:44 WE'LL FINISH THIS UP AND MAKE -- THE STAFF ALREADY HAS
20:44:47 FINISHED COPIES OF THIS, BUT I HAVE WRITTEN IN THE
20:44:51 DIMENSIONS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.
20:44:53 AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DID BESIDES THE MASONRY
20:44:56 WALL IS THAT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING WE STAIR
20:45:00 STEPPED IT BACK TO PROVIDE MORE OF A SET BACK AND MORE
20:45:04 RELIEF FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO THE EAST.
20:45:07 SO YOU HAD A LONG NIGHT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT ALREADY.
20:45:12 THE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE AND ASKED THEM WERE THEY SATISFIED
20:45:16 WITH THESE CHANGES?
20:45:17 THEY MET WITH THE OWNER A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND WE HAVE GONE
20:45:21 OVER THE SITE PLAN WITH THEM, AND TO THE BEST OF MY
20:45:24 KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.
20:45:26 WITH THAT, I WILL LEAVE ANY TIME THAT I MAY NEED FOR SUMMARY
20:45:31 AND REBUTTAL.
20:45:32 BUT I THINK WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING ASKED OF US AND WE ARE
20:45:36 MAKING THE OTHER REVISIONS AS INDICATED ON THIS STAFF
20:45:41 REPORT, AS WELL AS FINALIZING THE REVISIONS THAT YOU JUST
20:45:46 SAW.
20:45:50 THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
20:45:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MICHELINI, JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE
20:45:55 RECORD, YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.
20:45:58 MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE SECOND
20:46:01 FLOOR -- AND I BELIEVE THERE WERE MEMBERS OF STAFF WHO ARE
20:46:05 ONLINE AT THE TIME WERE ALSO SWORN IN.
20:46:08 IF THAT'S NOT CORRECT, PLEASE ASK TO BE SWORN IN AND AGAIN
20:46:11 IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS PRESENT WHO WAS NOT SWORN PLEASE
20:46:14 ASK TO DO SO.
20:46:15 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAW EVERYBODY ONLINE SWORN IN AND
20:46:17 THEY TURNED THEIR CAMERAS ON, AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY ON THE
20:46:20 SECOND FLOOR WAS SWORN IN ALREADY.
20:46:22 IS THAT CORRECT?
20:46:22 >> YES.
20:46:25 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR.
20:46:26 I HAVE BEEN SWORN.
20:46:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:46:34 ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
20:46:36 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK?
20:46:39 I SEE TWO PEOPLE REGISTERED ONLINE, PHIL AND MARK, IF THAT
20:46:44 IS CORRECT.
20:46:45 >> WE DID RECEIVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS BUT THEY ARE NOT
20:46:49 LOGGED IN.
20:46:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC ON THE
20:46:54 SECOND FLOOR?
20:46:56 >>AILEEN ROSARIO: YES, WE DO.
20:46:58 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO SANITIZE THE LECTERN
20:47:00 AND HAVE THAT PERSON SPEAK. TWO PEOPLE?
20:47:03 VERY GOOD.
20:47:06 >>AILEEN ROSARIO: THERE'S TWO PEOPLE.
20:47:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON
20:47:09 THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME UP.
20:47:13 YES, SIR, GO AHEAD.
20:47:13 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
20:47:15 >> MY NAME IS MARK ODOM.
20:47:17 I LIVE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO WHERE THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO
20:47:20 BE.
20:47:21 AND THE MAIN THING THAT WE DID MEET WITH THE OWNERS, AND HAD
20:47:26 VERY, VERY GOOD CONVERSATIONS.
20:47:28 THEY AGREED TO MAX IT OUT AT 35-FOOT, AND I KNOW FOR ONE I'M
20:47:34 VERY HAPPY WITH THIS.
20:47:35 AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED THIS TO GO THROUGH.
20:47:38 IT WAS JUST A FEW CONDITIONS THERE, BUT I THINK THAT THEY
20:47:42 BENT OVER BACKWARDS AND THEY HAVE MET WITH US AND THEY HAVE
20:47:44 BEEN VERY, VERY PROFESSIONAL.
20:47:46 AND I'M HAPPY WITH THIS PLAN.
20:47:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:47:51 ALL RIGHT.
20:47:53 NEXT SPEAKER?
20:48:14 YES, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
20:48:15 GO AHEAD.
20:48:15 >> PHILIP SCHLOSSNAGLE.
20:48:24 ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE MY SCREEN THERE?
20:48:26 ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN?
20:48:36 CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE SCREEN THERE?
20:48:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET.
20:48:45 IF WE COULD SHARE THE GENTLEMAN'S SCREEN AT THE KIOSK.
20:49:01 NO, NOT THE OVERHEAD.
20:49:03 DO YOU HAVE A COMPUTER PLUGGED IN?
20:49:05 >> I AM LOGGED ON, ON MINE.
20:49:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
20:49:09 >> GO TO WEBINAR.
20:49:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
20:49:14 IF WE CAN GET THE GO-TO WEBINAR SET UP TO SHOW THE SCREEN SO
20:49:18 WE CAN SHARE IT.
20:49:28 I DON'T SEE ANYTHING YET, SIR.
20:49:46 >> NO?
20:49:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
20:49:47 >> HMMM, OKAY.
20:49:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN SEE THAT.
20:49:55 DO IT LIKE THAT.
20:49:56 THAT'S CLEAR.
20:49:58 >> OKAY.
20:49:59 SO JUST WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THIS IS THE VIEW FROM MY
20:50:04 FRONT DOOR HERE, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, THE YELLOW
20:50:08 HOUSE, THAT'S MR. ODOM'S HOUSE.
20:50:10 HE'S THE ONE WHO THAT JUST SPOKE.
20:50:12 TWO WEEKS AGO MR. MICHELINI KIND OF SAID THAT I WOULDN'T BE
20:50:16 AFFECTED BY THIS BUILDING, BUT OVER HERE, THIS IS WHAT I AM
20:50:20 GOING TO SEE WHEN I WALK OUT MY FRONT DOOR, LOOK OUT MY
20:50:24 FRONT WINDOWS.
20:50:25 I AM PRETTY MUCH AFFECTED BY IT.
20:50:27 PERHAPS OTHER NEIGHBORS TO A LESSER EXTENT.
20:50:31 BUT THIS AT THE BOTTOM IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, THE
20:50:34 45-FOOT HEIGHT THERE, WHICH THAT LEVEL WHAT IS CONTAINED
20:50:39 MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
20:50:41 IN TALKING TO MR. LANCI WAS INTENDED TO HAVE FOUR AIR
20:50:45 CONDITIONING UNITS AND A GENERATOR UP THERE.
20:50:48 WITH SOME SCREENING.
20:50:49 BUT AFTER TALKING TO HIM ON FRIDAY, MR. ODOM AND I AND TWO
20:50:54 OTHER NEIGHBORS MET WITH MR. LANCI ON FRIDAY AND HE AGREED
20:50:58 TO MOVE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT DOWN TO THE GROUND LEVEL SO
20:51:02 THAT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS COULD BE REDUCED, THAT 35 FEET.
20:51:05 I THINK THAT WAS ALSO ACCOMPLISHED BY REDUCING, I THINK, THE
20:51:10 CEILING HEIGHT OF THE FLOORS AS WELL.
20:51:13 SO FROM 45 TO 35 FEET SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE CHANGE
20:51:17 THERE.
20:51:20 STILL A LITTLE TALLER THAN THE SURROUNDING BUILDING BUT A
20:51:23 LOT MORE IN MIND WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
20:51:26 SO I SAID WE KIND OF AGREED WITH MR. LANCI, THAT HIS
20:51:31 PROPOSAL TO MOVE THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT TO THE GROUND
20:51:33 LEVEL TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, SO I THINK AT LEAST THE FEW OF US
20:51:40 THAT MET WITH HIM ON FRIDAY ARE OKAY WITH THESE PROVISIONS.
20:51:45 THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT.
20:51:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
20:51:47 >> YEP.
20:51:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
20:51:49 AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST PERSON, IN-PERSON PUBLIC
20:51:53 COMMENT?
20:51:54 ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
20:51:59 ANYTHING AT THIS TIME?
20:52:01 MR. MICHELINI, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE ASK FOR A
20:52:03 MOTION TO CLOSE?
20:52:05 >>STEVE MICHELINI: NO, SIR.
20:52:05 I THINK WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE AGREED TO DO AND THE
20:52:08 NEIGHBORS ARE HAPPY, SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR
20:52:11 APPROVAL.
20:52:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE?
20:52:14 MOTION TO CLOSE BY CITRO.
20:52:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED.
20:52:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 2,
20:52:24 MR. DINGFELDER?
20:52:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE AT 2 ALREADY?
20:52:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
20:52:30 WE ARE MOVING QUICK TONIGHT.
20:52:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SURE.
20:52:33 MR. MICHELINI, WE APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THOSE
20:52:35 NEIGHBORS.
20:52:36 IN REGARD TO REZ 21-18, I'LL READ THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE
20:52:40 FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING
20:52:43 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 3724 WEST SAN PEDRO
20:52:47 STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY
20:52:50 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION
20:52:53 PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL, TO
20:52:57 PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, OFFICE, BUSINESS/PROFESSIONAL,
20:53:01 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
20:53:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
20:53:04 SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA.
20:53:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND MR. SHELBY IS REMINDING ME THAT
20:53:10 WE'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.
20:53:13 I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET HIS BURDEN OF PROOF BY
20:53:16 PROVIDING COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL ETCHED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT
20:53:18 IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN
20:53:22 AND CITY CODE AND FIND THAT THE WAIVERS DO NOT ADVERSELY
20:53:27 IMPACT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE, AND --
20:53:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO REVISIONS THAT NEED TO BE
20:53:34 MADE.
20:53:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: INCORPORATE ANY REVISIONS THAT MR.
20:53:37 MANASSE HAS MADE REFERENCE TO.
20:53:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MANASSE, IS THAT ALL RIGHT?
20:53:44 >>RYAN MANASSE: JUST ONE ADDITION BECAUSE MR. MICHELINI DID
20:53:47 POINT OUT THE SCALED BACK ELEVATION WHICH I DID NOT RECEIVE
20:53:51 SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD FOR
20:53:55 SECOND READING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE OF THE RESUBMITTAL ON
20:53:59 SECOND READING.
20:54:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.
20:54:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION.
20:54:04 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WITH THE MOTION.
20:54:06 SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA.
20:54:08 ROLL CALL VOTE.
20:54:10 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
20:54:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
20:54:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
20:54:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
20:54:16 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
20:54:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
20:54:18 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
20:54:19 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MAY 20th AT
20:54:23 6:00 P.M.
20:54:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
20:54:25 >>THE CLERK: MAY 20th AT 9:30.
20:54:32 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
20:54:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
20:54:35 NOW WE MOVE ONTO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE FOR THE NEXT AND LAST
20:54:38 FOUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
20:54:39 WE BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER 4.
20:54:42 JUG AND BOTTLE.
20:54:42 >>RYAN MANASSE: IF I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN, PLEASE.
20:54:45 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, WE SEE IT.
20:54:55 GO AHEAD.
20:54:55 >> ITEM NUMBER 4 IS FILE AB 2-21-04, JUG AND BOTTLE LLC, AND
20:55:04 VERONICA DENKO, NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE.
20:55:08 THIS SHIED SHOWS YOU SNIPPET FROM THE STAFF REPORT AND I
20:55:12 WILL GO THROUGH MORE OF THIS TABLE IN MY PRESENTATION
20:55:15 SUMMARY.
20:55:19 THERE ARE TWO WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED, THE REDUCTION
20:55:22 REQUIRED FOR SEPARATION TO OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS
20:55:24 FROM 250 FEET, 50 FEET, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE FROM SECTION
20:55:29 27-211.12 UNDER THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS CODE WHICH IS TO REDUCE
20:55:33 THE REQUIRED PARKING FROM 9 TO 5 AND 44% REDUCTION.
20:55:38 JUST MAKE NOTE THE ESTABLISHMENT IS 6120 NORTH FLORIDA
20:55:41 AVENUE, 2(APS) WHICH IS BEER AND WINE FOR PACKAGE SALES
20:55:46 ONLY, SCHI, AND IT'S 50 FEET AWAY.
20:55:50 THAT'S WHERE THAT 27132 WAIVER COMES FROM.
20:55:53 THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE
20:55:55 APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR A
20:55:58 SMALL VENUE BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES AND
20:56:01 PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
20:56:03 THE APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED A CHANGE OF USE AND THE
20:56:05 PROPOSED USE IS RESTAURANT AND RETAIL SALES.
20:56:07 THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS APPROVED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES
20:56:10 SPECIAL USE 1 FOR RETAIL MALLS, CONVENIENCE GOODS AND THAT'S
20:56:14 WHAT THE BEER AND WINE PACKAGE SALES OFF CONSUMPTION ONLY A
20:56:18 TOTAL OF 1,891 SQUARE FEET OF INDOOR SPACE ONLY. THE
20:56:22 PROPOSED APPLICATION REQUESTS A TOTAL OF 2,649 SQUARE FEET,
20:56:24 COMPRISING OF 1,819 SQUARE FEET INDOORS AND 830 SQUARE FEET
20:56:30 OUTDOORS. ACCORDING TO THE FLOOR PLAN SUBMITTED THERE WAS A
20:56:34 TOTAL OF 51 OCCUPANTS.
20:56:36 THE SITE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION WILL
20:56:37 BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, AND ALSO IT SHOWS DUAL ACCESS
20:56:41 ON DRIVEWAYS ON NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE AS WELL AS WEST HANNA
20:56:44 STREET.
20:56:44 AGAIN, THE REQUIRED PARKING BEING NINE SPACES AND THE SITE
20:56:49 IS SHOWING FIVE.
20:56:49 THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER WAIVER THAT I STATED WAS FROM.
20:56:52 AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS IN THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN
20:56:57 VILLAGE AND THAT DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT IS 250 FEET
20:57:00 FROM OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
20:57:02 THE SITE PLAN DOES STATE THE SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE LOCATED
20:57:05 WITHIN THE PARKING LOADING OR SPACE AND ALL PERMITS ISSUED
20:57:08 AFTER APRIL 1st, 2011 SHALL BE KEPT ON-SITE WITH A COPY
20:57:12 OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES.
20:57:16 HERE IS A VICINITY MAP SHOWING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED
20:57:19 IN RED IN THE DASH. THIS IS ALL ZONED SHCI UP AND DOWN THE
20:57:20 ROAD.
20:57:27 THE CLOSEST AB ESTABLISHMENT JUST FOR REFERENCE OVER THE
20:57:30 AERIAL IS RIGHT HERE TO THE SOUTH.
20:57:33 THAT'S IN LIKE A STRIP CENTER.
20:57:36 THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED SHOWS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
20:57:39 AND AGAIN THEY DO HAVE V AN APPROVED ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE
20:57:42 SPECIAL USE 1 FOR PACKAGE SALES BEER AND WINE SO AGAIN THEY
20:57:45 ARE TRYING TO INCORPORATE THAT RETAIL SALES WHICH I WILL LET
20:57:49 THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN FURTHER.
20:57:50 AS YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR PARKING SPACES ARE IN THE REAR OF
20:57:53 THE BUILDING, AND THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED SOME MOTORCYCLE
20:57:56 PARKING IN THE FRONT AS WELL AS SOME BICYCLE PARKING WHICH
20:57:59 IN THE SEMINOLE HEIGHTS DISTRICT THEY DO GET SOME CODE
20:58:02 RELIEF FROM.
20:58:05 HERE IS THE PLAN ESTIMATED BY THEIR ARCHITECTS SHOWING THE
20:58:08 51 OCCUPANTS AND HOW, AND THAT'S WHAT BE WE USE MOSTLY FOR
20:58:14 PARKING AND JONATHAN SCOTT REVIEW AS FAR AS THE WAIVER
20:58:18 REQUIREMENTS.
20:58:19 THE REVISIONS THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT, I JUST THREW
20:58:22 THEM ON THE SLIDE SO THAT THEY WOULD BE PRESENTED TO
20:58:25 EVERYBODY, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION IS INCONSISTENT AND
20:58:28 THAT'S DUE TO THE WAIVER, THE DISTANCE SEPARATION
20:58:30 REQUIREMENT.
20:58:31 URBAN DESIGN DID FIND THEM INCONSISTENT WITH SITE PLAN
20:58:34 MODIFICATIONS, SAYING THE PROJECT, THEY WANT THEM, THE
20:58:39 OVERLAY BUILDING LANDSCAPE AND SIGN STANDARDS, AND THEN ALSO
20:58:43 THEY FOUND IT INCONSISTENT BASED ON THE PARKING WAIVER.
20:58:47 THESE ARE CONTINUED REVISIONS, AND THIS IS FROM
20:58:49 TRANSPORTATION.
20:58:50 THERE'S SOME MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD BE
20:58:53 NEEDED TO THE SITE DATA TABLE AS WELL AS THE FIVE SLOTS FOR
20:58:56 THE BIKE RACK, AND JONATHAN COMMENTED ON THE MOTORCYCLE
20:59:01 PARKING SHOWN IN THE FRONT.
20:59:04 THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE ALLOWED BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND
20:59:06 READING SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TONIGHT.
20:59:10 AND THEN JUST GOING INTO THE PHOTOS, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, THE
20:59:13 VIEW NORTH, FLORIDA, VIEWING SOUTH, CLOSEST ALCOHOL
20:59:18 ESTABLISHMENT, AND THEN VIEWING EAST, THE RESIDENTIAL
20:59:21 NEIGHBORHOOD.
20:59:24 ON THE LEFT, VIEWING WEST, COMMERCIAL USES, AS WELL AS AN
20:59:29 INTERSECTION KIND OF GOING SOUTH.
20:59:31 AND SORRY, THIS PICTURE, NOT TOO MUCH IN THE FRONT BUT THE
20:59:36 JUG AND BOTTLE ESTABLISHMENT, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ITSELF.
20:59:39 WITH THAT BEING SAID THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE
20:59:41 STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND WE FIND IT
20:59:43 INCONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES.
20:59:45 AS I STATED THERE ARE MINOR REVISIONS NEEDED TO THE SITE
20:59:48 PLAN SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED TONIGHT BETWEEN FIRST AND
20:59:51 SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
20:59:53 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
20:59:55 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
20:59:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS ALREADY HAD A WET ZONING.
21:00:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, ALREADY BEER AND WINE.
21:00:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.
21:00:07 RYAN?
21:00:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: YES, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
21:00:12 IT'S UNDER AB 1, SO THAT'S A SPECIAL USE 1 WHICH IS
21:00:16 ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEWED AND APPROVED, AND THAT'S FOR THE
21:00:19 PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION ONLY SO THERE'S
21:00:22 NO CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES.
21:00:23 THROUGH THIS PETITION THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO GO UNDER
21:00:25 THE SMALL VENUE WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT ON PREMISES
21:00:29 CONSUMPTION AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THAT OFF-PREMISES PACKAGE
21:00:32 CONSUMPTION THAT THEY HAVE.
21:00:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.
21:00:35 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE?
21:00:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE SAME QUESTION.
21:00:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU JUST COULDN'T DRINK ON-SITE.
21:00:46 ALL RIGHT.
21:00:50 WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE VIDEO.
21:00:54 CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND SO WE CAN SWEAR YOU IN?
21:00:57 I DON'T THINK WE SWORE YOU IN.
21:01:01 >>GRACE YANG: I ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN SWORN BEFORE.
21:01:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:01:06 >>GRACE YANG: GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR.
21:01:08 MY NAME IS GRACE YANG, GRAY ROBINSON LAW FIRM, 401 EAST
21:01:13 JACKSON STREET.
21:01:16 HERE IN TAMPA, FLORIDA 33602.
21:01:20 WITH ME TONIGHT ARE THE APPLICANTS REPRESENTATIVES FOR JUG
21:01:24 AND BOTTLE, AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO QUICKLY INTRODUCE
21:01:26 THEMSELVES.
21:01:27 >> VERONICA DENKA.
21:01:33 AND RYAN DUSHAY.
21:01:37 >> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS.
21:01:42 JUG AND BOTTLE DEPARTMENT IS LOCATED AT 620 NORTH FLORIDA
21:01:48 AVENUE AND IT IS THE CURRENT SHOP IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS URBAN
21:01:52 VILLAGE.
21:01:53 JUG AND BOTTLE SPECIALIZES IN CARRYING CRAFT BARES, UNIQUE
21:01:57 WINES AND SPECIAL --
21:02:00 IT HAS HAD A PACKAGE BEER AND WINE LICENSE FROM THE STATE OF
21:02:03 FLORIDA SINCE JUNE 5, 2016, AND AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED WAS
21:02:08 INITIALLY APPROVED FOR A PACKAGE BEER AND WINE SALES FOR THE
21:02:13 INSIDE SPACE.
21:02:15 THE GOAL HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE A GOOD BUSINESS
21:02:19 NEIGHBOR IN THE COMMUNITY.
21:02:23 ALSO, PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT
21:02:26 IS TO ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO ADD BEER AND WINE CONSUMPTION
21:02:31 ON PREMISES AND TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR SPACE OF
21:02:36 APPROXIMATELY 830 SQUARE FEET OR AN OUTSIDE SEATING AREA TO
21:02:43 ACCOMMODATE TEN SEATS OUTSIDE SO THAT THE SHOPPERS AND
21:02:46 CUSTOMERS MAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AND ENJOY SOME
21:02:50 FRESH AIR AND HAVE A DRINK OUTSIDE.
21:02:53 THE APPLICANT HAS REVIEWED THE STAFF REPORT AND AGREES TO
21:02:57 THE MINOR CHANGES IN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
21:03:01 WE ARE REQUESTING THE TWO WAIVERS.
21:03:04 FIRST A REDUCTION FROM THE OTHER ALCOHOL BEVERAGE
21:03:06 ESTABLISHMENTS, BEING A QUICK STOP, WHICH IS ABOUT 50 FEET
21:03:11 AWAY, AND THAT SECOND REQUEST THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR COUNCIL
21:03:14 TO A PHOTOGRAPH TONIGHT IS TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED PARKING TO
21:03:18 THE FIVE PROVIDED SPACES.
21:03:21 I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION SOME MITIGATION FACTORS IN THAT THE
21:03:25 STORE GETS A GREAT DEAL OF WALK-UP AND BIKING NEIGHBORHOOD
21:03:30 CUSTOMERS COMING IN TO SHOP, AND THAT FOR VEHICLES, IN
21:03:34 ADDITION TO THE FIVE SPACES ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS STREET
21:03:39 PARKING ALONG HANNA STREET, A SHARED LOT WITH THE BARBERSHOP
21:03:43 NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS THE CULTURE CONTROL BARBERSHOP, THAT
21:03:47 PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL TEN SPACES.
21:03:51 AND THE SHOP OWNERS ALSO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE QUICK
21:03:54 STOP TO BE ABLE TO USE SOME OF QUICK STOP'S PARKING FOR THE
21:03:59 JUG AND BOTTLE CUSTOMERS.
21:04:01 WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WISH YOUR
21:04:08 APPROVAL.
21:04:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
21:04:10 FOR THE APPLICANT?
21:04:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR?
21:04:17 ISN'T THERE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DIRECTLY BEHIND THERE?
21:04:20 >>GRACE YANG: YES.
21:04:22 THERE IS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREA.
21:04:25 THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL IS ABOUT 56 FEET AWAY AS SHOWN ON
21:04:29 THE SURVEY THAT I SEE.
21:04:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND LOOKING AT OUTDOOR SEATING.
21:04:34 ANY AMPLIFIED MUSIC?
21:04:35 >>GRACE YANG: THERE ARE NO PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR ANY OUTDOOR
21:04:41 AMPLIFIED MUSIC THAT WOULD DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS IN THE
21:04:46 AREA.
21:04:47 AND AT MOST THEY MIGHT HAVE A SMALL SPEAKER SYSTEM JUST FOR
21:04:54 A BIT OF AMBIENT.
21:04:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF IT'S AMBIENT...
21:05:01 >>RYAN MANASSE: I WILL TRY TO GIVE YOU A QUICK IDEA.
21:05:17 SO THE AERIAL -- TRY TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
21:05:22 HERE IS MY CURSOR.
21:05:23 YOU SEE THERE'S ONE, NOT OUTLINED AS WELL BECAUSE THIS IS
21:05:27 NOT IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTY LINES.
21:05:28 YOU CAN SEE, COUNCILMAN GUDES, THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL BLOCK
21:05:31 RIGHT HERE AS WELL AS TO THE SOUTH.
21:05:33 PREDOMINANTLY IT RUNS ALONG FLORIDA AND THEN SH-RS WHICH IS
21:05:40 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY.
21:05:42 JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF NUMBER ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE,
21:05:45 SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN, ELEVEN, TWELVE, 13, 14 HOUSES
21:05:51 IN THIS VICINITY BLOCK THAT'S DIRECTLY TO THE EAST.
21:05:54 BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO COUNCIL THAT THE
21:05:58 DISTANCE SEPARATION IS FOR OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
21:06:02 DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR?
21:06:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION BUT WE HAD
21:06:06 CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT THIS MORNING SO I WANTED TO LOOK AT
21:06:09 THAT AERIAL.
21:06:10 I KNOW THE AREA PRETTY WELL, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BEHIND
21:06:14 THERE THEY'RE.
21:06:15 BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MUSIC, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG
21:06:19 QUESTION, SAYING THERE'S GOING TO BE NO MUSIC AT ALL?
21:06:25 >>GRACE YANG: THERE ARE NO PLANS TO HAVE ANY LOUD MUSIC
21:06:28 CONCERTS OUT IN THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
21:06:32 I THINK THAT THE MOST THEY MIGHT HAVE A SMALL SYSTEM JUST
21:06:36 FOR LIGHT AMBIENT MUSIC.
21:06:38 NO PLANS FOR BANDS OR LOUD AMPLIFIED MUSIC THAT WOULD
21:06:43 DISTURB THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:06:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M JUST CURIOUS.
21:06:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
21:06:55 IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU HEAR TESTIFIED TO, THERE IS NO
21:07:00 MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT UNLESS IT'S ON THE PLAN, NUMBER
21:07:05 ONE.
21:07:06 AND NUMBER TWO IS THAT PLEASE REMEMBER THIS SPECIAL USE
21:07:11 WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND.
21:07:13 THIS WOULD BE A SPECIAL USE TO CONTINUE.
21:07:16 AND FUTURE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT
21:07:21 THE STATE OF THIS IS OR NOT, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IT WOULD NOT
21:07:24 BE BOUND BY IT IF IT'S NOT ON THE SITE PLAN.
21:07:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S CORRECT.
21:07:29 THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY.
21:07:31 >>RYAN MANASSE: I JUST WANT TO ADD ON THAT JUST TO GET BACK
21:07:35 INTO THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE SEEN IT IN THE PAST AND I
21:07:37 THINK WHAT YOU MAY BE ALLUDING TO, I WOULD JUST BE MINDFUL,
21:07:40 LIKE MARTIN SHELBY SAID, IF THE APPLICANT DID WANT TO AGREE
21:07:44 TO SOME KIND OF STIPULATION OF THE SITE PLAN, LIKE NO
21:07:47 AMPLIFIED SOUND FROM A TIME FRAME, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE
21:07:51 HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST.
21:07:52 BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
21:07:54 BUT WHATEVER WAY YOU GUYS WANT TO GONE, I'LL MAKE SURE TO
21:07:57 MAKE AN ANNOTATION OF THAT.
21:07:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
21:08:03 MR. MANASSE, DO YOU KNOW THE CAPACITY EXISTING IN THAT
21:08:07 BUILDING?
21:08:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: IT'S PROPOSED AT 51, SIR.
21:08:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: 51.
21:08:14 AND HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THEY ASKING FOR?
21:08:16 >>RYAN MANASSE: THEY ARE HAVING A REDUCTION FROM THE
21:08:20 REQUIRED PARKING OF 10 -- I'M SORRY, REQUIRED PARKING 9, AND
21:08:25 THEY ARE GOING TO 5 SPACES BE PROVIDED.
21:08:28 THAT'S ONE ADA THERE'S REGULAR AND ONE BIKE RACK FOR
21:08:31 TRANSPORTATION'S REVIEW.
21:08:32 IT'S A 44% REDUCTION.
21:08:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. MANASSE.
21:08:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE?
21:08:43 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
21:08:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. YANG, JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP, AND GOOD
21:08:45 EVENING.
21:08:45 >>GRACE YANG: GOOD EVENING.
21:08:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT
21:08:50 COUNCILMAN GUDES IS LOOKING AT THIS SITE PLAN, THE PROPOSED
21:08:56 OUTDOOR SEATING AREA IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING IN
21:09:03 A LITTLE QUADRANT SORT OF ADJACENT, CLOSER TO FLORIDA, AND A
21:09:08 LITTLE BIT REMOVED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.
21:09:13 SO THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE COMFORT.
21:09:14 BUT A LITTLE MORE COMFORT, MS. YANG, WOULD BE YOUR
21:09:17 STIPULATION THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON THE
21:09:24 SITE PLAN, JUST BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE JUST TRYING TO
21:09:28 GENERALLY PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS ALL OVER THE CITY.
21:09:32 I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T -- THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU
21:09:35 CAN'T HAVE ACOUSTIC.
21:09:36 YOU HAVE ACOUSTIC GUITAR, I'LL COME STRUM THE GUITAR A
21:09:42 LITTLE BIT EVEN THOUGH I DON'T PLAY.
21:09:43 BUT ANYWAY THAT WOULD BE MY DRUTHER.
21:09:46 IT'S UP TO YOU.
21:09:46 >>GRACE YANG: THANK YOU, MR. DINGFELDER.
21:09:51 THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, THAT OUTDOOR PATIO AREA IS THE
21:10:03 BARBERSHOP, IN THAT COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA.
21:10:07 I DISCUSSED WITH THE CLIENTS ABOUT THE OUTDOOR AREA AND THE
21:10:12 CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE, AND WE WANTED TO PROPOSE, PUT ON THE
21:10:16 SITE PLAN A CONDITION, BUT THERE WOULD BE NO OUTDOOR
21:10:19 AMPLIFIED SOUND PAST 10 P.M.
21:10:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE COMPROMISE.
21:10:30 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, DO WE HAVE
21:10:33 ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT WISHES TO
21:10:35 SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 4?
21:10:37 >>THE CLERK: NO, THERE'S NO ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO
21:10:41 SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
21:10:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK
21:10:43 ON ITEM NUMBER 4?
21:10:45 >> WE DID HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS BUT THEY ARE NOT LOGGED ON.
21:10:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL?
21:10:51 NOW WE WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE.
21:10:57 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES.
21:10:59 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
21:11:01 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:11:03 AYE.
21:11:03 ANY OPPOSED?
21:11:04 VERY GOOD.
21:11:05 COUNCILMAN CITRO, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 4?
21:11:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE AB 2-21-04.
21:11:18 I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
21:11:23 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
21:11:27 SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE COUPLES, ON
21:11:31 PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION, MAKING
21:11:36 LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM A CERTAIN LOT,
21:11:40 PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 6203 NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE,
21:11:45 TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2,
21:11:48 PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN
21:11:51 CONFLICT BE REPEALED, PROVIDING I FEEL THAT THIS PETITIONER
21:11:56 HAS MET THE BURDEN OF PROOF.
21:11:57 I AM ALSO GOING TO ASK FOR THE WAIVERS AND REVISIONS BETWEEN
21:12:02 FIRST AND SECOND READING, THAT THE USE WILL NOT ESTABLISH A
21:12:06 PRECEDENT OR ENCOURAGE MORE INTENSIVE OR INCOMPATIBLE USES
21:12:10 IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
21:12:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND?
21:12:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES THAT INCLUDE AS PART OF THE REVISIONS
21:12:21 THE STIPULATION BY MS. YANG WITH REGARD TO NO AMPLIFIED
21:12:24 SOUND?
21:12:25 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:12:26 AND THE PETITIONER ALSO GIVING A STIPULATION THAT THERE WILL
21:12:30 BE NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC PAST 10 P.M. EVERY EVENING.
21:12:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT THE WORD WAS SOUND.
21:12:38 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOUND.
21:12:39 AMPLIFIED SOUND.
21:12:40 EXCUSE ME.
21:12:41 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO
21:12:43 AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
21:12:45 ROLL CALL VOTE.
21:12:46 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
21:12:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
21:12:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
21:12:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
21:12:53 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
21:12:54 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
21:12:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
21:12:57 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
21:12:59 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MAY 20th AT
21:13:02 9:30 A.M.
21:13:03 >>GRACE YANG: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
21:13:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, GRACE.
21:13:09 GOOD TO SEE YOU.
21:13:11 >>GRACE YANG: THANK YOU.
21:13:12 GOOD NIGHT.
21:13:12 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
21:13:21 >>RYAN MANASSE: ARE YOU READY FOR ITEM NUMBER 5, CHAIR?
21:13:25 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
21:13:26 ITEM NUMBER 5.
21:13:26 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 5, IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AS
21:13:31 WELL.
21:13:40 IF YOU WOULD LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU SEE THE PowerPoint.
21:13:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
21:13:43 WE CAN SEE IT.
21:13:44 >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE AB 2-21-07.
21:13:48 THIS IS THE APPLICANT DEVIANT LIBATIONS, 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA
21:13:56 AVENUE.
21:13:58 I WILL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE IN A SECOND.
21:14:00 AGAIN, THIS IS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
21:14:03 THIS IS A TABLE SHOWING THE ACTIVE ORDINANCE AND THE
21:14:06 PROPOSED -- IT WILL BE MY SUMMARY AS WELL.
21:14:08 THERE ARE SOME PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WAIVERS FROM AB 2-18-16
21:14:12 WHICH WAS A SPECIAL USE 2 THAT WAS APPROVED AGAIN IN 2018.
21:14:16 THERE ARE TWO NEW WAIVERS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT
21:14:18 ON THIS PETITION.
21:14:19 THEY COME FROM SECTION 27-283 .12 TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL
21:14:24 TRAFFIC ACCESS TO LOCAL STREET, BOTH -- EAST STRATFORD
21:14:30 AVENUE.
21:14:31 THEN SECTION 27-284 TO REDUCE REQUIRED OFF-STREET PARKING
21:14:35 SPACES FROM THE REQUIRED 69 TO 51 SPACES.
21:14:40 [~DISTORTION~] THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SPECIAL USE
21:14:42 APPROVAL TO ALLOW SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, CONSUMPTION
21:14:47 OFF PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES FOR OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
21:14:52 IT WAS REVIEWED BY DRC STAFF.
21:14:56 SOME OF THE USES WERE MICROBREWERY, BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL
21:14:58 OFFICE, DISTILLERY, RETAIL SALES.
21:15:00 THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS AN ALCOHOL APPROVAL SPECIAL USE 2
21:15:04 FOR A SMALL VENUE BEER, WINE, LIQUOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES
21:15:08 AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION FOR A TOTAL OF
21:15:12 15,133 SQUARE FEET BROKEN DOWN INDOOR, 7,628 SQUARE FEET AND
21:15:19 OUTDOOR 7,505 SQUARE FEET.
21:15:22 AGAIN THAT IS THE CURRENT APPROVAL.
21:15:23 THE PROPOSED APPLICATION REQUESTS A TOTAL OF 8,760 SQUARE
21:15:27 FEET COMPRISING OF 6,279 SQUARE FEET INDOOR AND 2,481 SQUARE
21:15:33 FEET OUTDOOR.
21:15:34 SO ALL THOSE THOUGH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WENT UP THE
21:15:37 OVERALL AB SALES AREA WENT DOWN, AND THAT'S DUE TO THE
21:15:40 DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES REQUIRING DIFFERENT PARKING
21:15:43 REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH.
21:15:44 THE SITE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION WILL
21:15:47 BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14 AND IT SHOWS DUAL ACCESS ON
21:15:51 EAST VIRGINIA AVENUE AS WELL AS EAST STRATFORD AVENUE WHICH
21:15:55 REQUIRES THE OFF-STREET WAIVERS.
21:15:59 THE SITE IS SHOWING 51 SPACES.
21:16:02 THEY ARE ASKING FOR THAT WAIVER.
21:16:05 THE SUBJECT SITE IS IN THE EAST TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE, THE
21:16:08 DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT IS THAT 250 FEET FROM OTHER
21:16:11 AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
21:16:12 SITE PLAN STATES THE SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN
21:16:15 THE PARKING LOADING AREA OR SPACE AND ALL PERMITS ISSUED
21:16:16 AFTER APRIL 21st, 2011 SHALL BE KEPT ON-SITE WITH THE
21:16:24 ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN.
21:16:25 HERE IS A VICINITY MAP OF THE AREA.
21:16:26 THE SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED.
21:16:30 AND WHEN I GO TO THE SITE PLAN IT WILL BE A LITTLE MOWER
21:16:32 CLEAR BUT ON THE SITE PLAN GOING TO SHOCK YOU WHERE THE
21:16:34 FORMAL DECISION WAS MADE ON THE PREVIOUS ALCOHOL PETITION,
21:16:37 TO PUT THIS LOT, AND THE STRUCTURE AS BEING REMODELED TO
21:16:41 THEIR CURRENT PROPOSED APPLICATION THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE
21:16:44 SITE PLAN.
21:16:45 THE LOCAL ACCESS STREETS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH TO GET INTO
21:16:48 THE SITE.
21:16:51 ONE THING TO POINT OUT IT'S ZONED CG ALONG NEBRASKA, AND
21:16:55 THEN TAPERS BACK INTO RS-50 ON BOTH SIDE OF NEBRASKA.
21:17:00 HERE IS THE SITE PLAN AS PRESENTED.
21:17:04 LET ME ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
21:17:06 YOU CAN SEE THE INDOOR AREA RIGHT HERE, ONE OF THE REQUESTS
21:17:10 BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING IS OUTLINED INDOOR AREA, AS
21:17:13 THESE TWO OUTDOOR AREAS OUTLINED IN BLACK SO THESE TWO
21:17:17 OUTDOOR AREAS ARE THE OUTDOOR AB SALES AREA AND THEN THE
21:17:20 INDOOR OBVIOUSLY, AND AGAIN THE ACCESS ON BOTH NORTH AND
21:17:23 SOUTH OF THE LOCAL STREET, PARKING TO THE REAR OFF OF
21:17:26 NEBRASKA.
21:17:30 THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN.
21:17:31 SO THERE IS A TWO-STORY FLOOR PLAN.
21:17:34 THE FIRST FLOOR BEING MAINLY THE DISTILLERY, BREWERY, BAR
21:17:38 AND LOUNGE, ART GALLERY.
21:17:40 AND THEN THE TOP BEING THIS STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL AS WELL,
21:17:43 WHICH IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
21:17:46 AND I WILL LET THE APPLICANT EXPLAIN MORE OF THEIR USES AND
21:17:50 THEIR IDEAS BEHIND THAT.
21:17:51 THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE ELEVATION PROVIDED.
21:17:57 AND THEN THE REVISION THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
21:18:01 I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM THE AGENT HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH
21:18:04 MAKING THESE REVISIONS BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
21:18:07 ONE OF THEM BEING SOLID WASTE, MOVING THE DUMPSTER AS
21:18:10 IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN TO A MORE NORTHERLY PART AND
21:18:14 THAT WAS DUE TO THE TRUCK BEING ABLE TO MANEUVER IN AND OUT
21:18:17 ACCORDING TO THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
21:18:20 THERE ARE SOME PHOTOS STARTING FROM THE LEFT IS VIEWING
21:18:23 NORTH.
21:18:24 MIDDLE, TO THE SOUTH.
21:18:27 ONTO THE RIGHT IS THE EAST, TO THE MOTEL ACROSS THE STREET.
21:18:31 THIS IS THE VIEW WEST FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
21:18:33 SO THIS FENCE IS THE ACTUAL SITE, 3800 NEBRASKA AS WELL AS
21:18:37 THIS RIGHT PICTURE.
21:18:38 YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST.
21:18:39 WITH WITH THAT BEING SAID THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND
21:18:44 COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND FIND IT
21:18:47 INCONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE CITY OF TAMPA ORDINANCES.
21:18:49 PLEASE REFER TO THE FINDING BY TRANSPORTATION AS RELATES TO
21:18:51 THE WAIVERS BEING REQUESTED.
21:18:53 SHOULD YOU APPROVE THIS APPLICATION TONIGHT, FINAL REVISIONS
21:18:56 TO THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
21:18:58 READING OF THE ORDINANCE.
21:19:01 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
21:19:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
21:19:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
21:19:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RECEIVED A BUNCH OF CALLS THAT THOUGHT
21:19:17 IT WAS A RESTAURANT.
21:19:18 IS THIS CRAFT BREWERY HERE?
21:19:19 I THOUGHT IT WAS A RESTAURANT.
21:19:23 I GUESS I WOULD ASK PETITIONER ABOUT THAT.
21:19:26 I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN GUDES, WERE THERE ANY COMMUNICATIONS
21:19:34 WITH THIS OR ANY OTHER HEARING TONIGHT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO
21:19:37 DISCLOSE BEFORE YOU VOTE TONIGHT?
21:19:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE]
21:19:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IT WAS WRITTEN COMMUNICATION THAT YOU
21:19:50 ARE REFERRING TO THAT WAS PUT INTO THE RECORD?
21:19:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RIGHT.
21:19:54 THAT'S WHAT I HAVE GOT.
21:19:55 AND CALLED ME AND SAID IT WAS SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD
21:19:59 ABOUT A RESTAURANT.
21:20:01 I WAS CONFUSED, THOUGHT IT WAS A RESTAURANT.
21:20:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, MR. HUDSON, IF YOU WOULD
21:20:12 RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
21:20:13 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
21:20:19 >>THE CLERK: THE CLERK'S OFFICE DID RECEIVE WRITTEN
21:20:21 COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.
21:20:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD.
21:20:22 GO AHEAD, SIR.
21:20:23 >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE HERE ON BEHALF OF
21:20:28 THE APPLICANT.
21:20:30 WITH ME HERE THIS EVENING IS TIM OGDEN, KELLY LEMIEU, MIKE
21:20:35 LEMIEU AND DEVEN BRADY WITH THE PROJECT TEAM, AND JOINING
21:20:38 WITH ME IS MY FRIEND JOSH FRANK WHO IS THE ARCHITECT ON THIS
21:20:41 PROJECT.
21:20:44 I ASK TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
21:20:48 THANK YOU.
21:20:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET.
21:20:52 OKAY, WE CAN SEE IT.
21:20:54 GO AHEAD, SIR.
21:20:55 >> TYLER HUDSON: OKAY, THANKS.
21:21:03 SO THIS COMPRISES THREE DIFFERENT -- AROUND A PROJECT THAT
21:21:10 COMBINES ARTS, MIXTURE OF USES AND WHERE YOU HAVE MORE
21:21:17 INVESTMENTS.
21:21:18 THE PROJECT, JOSH FRANK IS THE ARCHITECT BUT ALSO HAD INSIDE
21:21:24 ASSISTANCE FROM ENGINEERING AND DEPARTMENT OF ARCHITECTURE.
21:21:30 TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE.
21:21:31 AS RYAN ALLUDED TO THERE IS AN AB 2 SPECIAL USE PERMIT
21:21:36 APPROVED FOR THIS SITE IN AUGUST 30 OF 2018, DUE TO THE
21:21:41 COVID-19 EMERGENCY DECLARATION, THAT IS STILL ACTIVE TODAY,
21:21:45 WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE, BUT IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, THIS
21:21:50 GROUP THAT'S HERE WITH ME, MY CLIENTS, ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY
21:21:53 AND THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL FOR MICROBREWERY WAS A
21:21:57 GOOD START BUT THE PROJECT COULD DO MORE.
21:22:00 THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST MIXED USE PROJECT THAT I HAVE EVER
21:22:03 HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING ON.
21:22:05 MICROBREWERY IS A PART OF IT BUT RETAIL IS A PART OF IT SO
21:22:09 IS THE ART EXPERIENCE.
21:22:10 SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE VERY SMALL RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
21:22:14 THE LIQUOR COMPONENT SOMETIMES MIGHT GET SOME ATTENTION.
21:22:17 BUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A 200 SQUARE FOOT VERY,
21:22:21 VERY SMALL MICRO DISTILLERY THAT IS ONLY GOING TO BE
21:22:24 UTILIZED FOR THE SALE OF ITS OWN CREATIONS, FOR OFF-SITE
21:22:29 CONSUMPTION.
21:22:29 AND THE PROJECT TEAM IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A SECOND.
21:22:32 THEY WILL NOT EVEN HAVE A STATE LICENSE REQUIRED ON THE
21:22:36 PREMISES.
21:22:37 AS NOW ANY CHANGES TO THE FOOTPRINT OF AN AB 2 PLAN REQUIRES
21:22:42 COMING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, AND SO WHILE THE BUILDING IS
21:22:45 NOT CHANGING, THE BUILD HAS BEEN THEREBY WE THINK ABOUT 100
21:22:49 YEARS, WE ARE SHIFTING THE ALCOHOL SERVICE AREA FROM THE
21:22:52 WEST, WHERE IT WAS CLOSER TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE
21:22:56 EAST.
21:22:57 SO IT REALLY ACTIVATES NEBRASKA AVENUE AND INSTEAD A QUIETER
21:23:02 PASSIVE USE AND PARKING ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
21:23:07 TO ORIENT YOURSELF, RYAN DID A GREAT JOB.
21:23:11 THIS IS THE WINN-DIXIE TO IT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MLK AND
21:23:16 NEBRASKA, BETWEEN NEBRASKA, KIND OF IN THE SHED-OF I-275.
21:23:21 IT'S WORTH KNOWING THAT THE ORIGINAL WET ZONINGS ARE ONLY
21:23:24 FOR THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN HALF OF THE SITE WHICH IS LESS
21:23:28 HALF.
21:23:28 BUT SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN COMBINED WITH THE NORTHERN LOT AS
21:23:32 WELL.
21:23:32 THIS BUILDING IS A FORMER CHURCH, AND NOW WE ARE LOOKING
21:23:40 TO -- COUNCIL NOTES THERE'S A RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES ALONG
21:23:47 NEBRASKA AVENUE, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT OF RESTAURANTS, AND MY
21:23:56 CLIENT IS TRYING TO BRING SOME OF THAT BACK AND MLK.
21:24:02 LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INCONSISTENCIES.
21:24:05 THE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, SOLID WASTE, FOUND THIS
21:24:08 APPLICATION CONSISTENT, WITH MINOR CORRECTIONS, AND TO
21:24:13 ADDRESS AS RYAN MENTIONED WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO ANY OF
21:24:16 THOSE AND WILL BE MAKING THEM BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND
21:24:20 READING.
21:24:21 THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES WEIGH IN ON WET ZONINGS, AND THEY
21:24:24 HAD NO OBJECTION.
21:24:25 AND ON TRANSPORTATION, COUNCIL WELL KNOWS, ONE PARKING SPACE
21:24:30 REDUCTION MEANS INCONSISTENT FINDING, AND WE ARE SEEKING A
21:24:34 WAIVER TO ESTABLISH 51 SPACES PROVIDED AS SUFFICIENT.
21:24:45 CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN STILL?
21:24:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN SEE IT.
21:24:48 >> ONE SECOND.
21:24:52 I CAN'T.
21:24:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ADDRESSING WAIVERS AND PARKING SLIDE.
21:24:56 >> OKAY.
21:24:58 I DID SEE MY SCREEN BUT SOMETHING THAT I CAN REMEMBER.
21:25:03 WE ARE ASKING FOR TWO OF THE SAME WAIVERS IN DIFFERENT
21:25:06 DEGREES, AND ONE IS PARKING.
21:25:07 THE REQUIREMENT IS 69.
21:25:09 WE ARE PROVIDING 51.
21:25:10 BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT.
21:25:13 EIGHT OF THE SPACES THAT WERE REQUIRED ARE FOR THE RETAIL
21:25:16 COMPONENT OF OUR SPACE BUT OUR BELIEF THAT FOLKS AREN'T
21:25:19 GOING TO BE COME HERE JUST FOR THE RETAIL. THEY MATE
21:25:22 UTILIZE THE RETAIL IN PART OF COME WITH THE MICROBREWERY TO
21:25:26 HAVE A GLASS OF WINE OR BEER OUTSIDE.
21:25:29 SOCIETY WE THINK FUNCTIONALLY, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS
21:25:32 PROBABLY ARE CLOSER TO 61.
21:25:35 WE ARE PROVIDING AMPLE BIKE PARKING.
21:25:40 YOU CAN SEE I BELIEVE ON SCREEN, THERE'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT
21:25:44 HART NETWORK HERE, METRO LINE RUNS THROUGH HERE, AND JOSH IN
21:25:49 CONVERSATIONS WITH HART ABOUT POTENTIALLY LOCATING A STOP
21:25:52 RIGHT HERE.
21:25:53 THE SECOND TYPE OF WAIVER THAT WE ARE SEEKING JUST LIKE LAST
21:25:56 TIME, BUT TO A DIFFERENT DEGREE, IS COMMERCIAL ACCESS ONTO
21:26:01 THE LOCAL STREETS.
21:26:07 THE NEW WAIVER IS TO HAVE ACCESS TO VIRGINIA AVENUE TO THE
21:26:10 STREET TO THE NORTH.
21:26:13 WE REFER COMMERCIAL ACCESS TO STRATFORD AVENUE TO THE SOUTH.
21:26:17 THE REASON WE NEED ACCESS ONTO VIRGINIA AVENUE IS THE
21:26:20 CURRENT WET ZONING STILL INCLUDES A CURB CUT ON NEBRASKA
21:26:24 AVENUE THAT CAN SEVERELY DISRUPT THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN
21:26:27 FLOW SO WE ARE CLOSING THAT CURB CUT ON NEBRASKA AVENUE.
21:26:31 THAT DOES ENTAIL -- JOSH WILL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A LITTLE
21:26:39 BIT, TO MAKE NEBRASKA THE BEST AVENUE, CLOSING THAT CURB IS
21:26:49 REALLY IMPORTANT.
21:26:51 TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT.
21:26:53 THIS TEAM THAT WILL TALK HAS WORKED THEIR TAILS OFF TO MAKE
21:26:58 SURE THAT EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUSINESS, COMMUNITY
21:27:01 GROUP IN THIS AREA IS AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, AND WANT THEM
21:27:04 TO BUY INTO THEIR VISION, NOT JUST FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT
21:27:08 WHAT IT CAN DO FOR YBOR HEIGHTS IN PARTICULAR, WHICH IS
21:27:11 WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
21:27:12 THE GREEN THUMBS UP, OUR SUPPORT IN THE PROJECT, SOME OF
21:27:18 WHOM MIGHT BE SPEAKING TONIGHT, BUT SUPPORT OF SOME OF THE
21:27:23 PROXIMATE NEIGHBORS THAT REALLY A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE
21:27:27 GROUPS THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORS REPRESENT.
21:27:30 YBOR HATES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
21:27:31 THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD
21:27:33 SUPPORT IT.
21:27:34 THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION AND ADJACENT
21:27:38 ASSOCIATION TO THE NORTH, ALONG WITH THE HAMPTON TERRACE
21:27:44 COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
21:27:45 A LARGE EMPLOYER AND FACILITY IS CATTY-CORNER ACROSS THE
21:27:49 STREET ALSO SUPPORTS THIS PROJECT.
21:27:51 SO I AM GOING TO TURN THINGS OVER TO JOSH FRANK, BECAUSE
21:27:55 SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT THE REDESIGN.
21:27:58 >> JOSH FRANK, 1003 EAST HAMILTON AVENUE.
21:28:02 IT'S NICE TO SEE SO MANY OF YOU BE ON THE PROFESSIONAL SIDE
21:28:06 OF WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
21:28:08 I AM TALKING AS AN ADVOCATE.
21:28:11 WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE SITE, WOULD WHAT OUR
21:28:14 CLIENT IS LOOKING TO BUILD, I THINK, A LOT OF THE THINGS I
21:28:19 TALK ABOUT TO YOU AND OUR CITIZENS HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR
21:28:22 A LONG TIME, THE ENVIRONMENT.
21:28:26 SO JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A HANDFUL OF REALLY FANTASTIC
21:28:29 ATTRIBUTES THAT THIS SITE IS GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE
21:28:32 NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING AS TAILOR MENTIONED CLOSING TWO CURB
21:28:36 CUTS ALONG NEBRASKA AVENUE, WHICH AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW,
21:28:44 CLOSING THEM DOES TWO THINGS.
21:28:45 ONE, IT HELPS PROMOTE THE CITY'S EFFORTS AND ALSO REDUCES
21:28:50 CONFLICTS BETWEEN CYCLE LISTS AND PEDESTRIAN AS WELL AS
21:28:53 MOTORISTS ALONG NEBRASKA AVENUE.
21:28:56 THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HART,
21:28:59 WORKING TO POTENTIALLY RELOCATE A METRO RAPID STATION TO
21:29:04 THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD DO THINGS.
21:29:07 ONE, IT WOULD PROVIDE TRANSIT ACCESS TO THE SITE BUT ALSO
21:29:11 BETTER ACCESS TO THE WINN-DIXIE JUST NORTH OF THIS SITE SO
21:29:14 FOLKS WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE TRANSIT AND GET THEIR GROCERIES
21:29:16 A LOT EASIER WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET AS THEY DO
21:29:19 TODAY.
21:29:20 THIRD, WE ARE REINTRODUCING WHAT IS SORT OF A TRADITIONAL
21:29:25 BLOCK PATTERN IN THIS PROJECT BY RELOCATING THE PARKING TO
21:29:27 THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY.
21:29:30 IT DOES A COUPLE THINGS.
21:29:31 ONE IS IT FUNCTIONS IN A SIMILAR WAY TO HISTORICALLY WHICH
21:29:36 KEEPS A LOT OF THE FRONTAGE ALONG NEBRASKA AVAILABLE FOR
21:29:41 PEOPLE SPACE.
21:29:42 IT MYSELF FOR A FANTASTIC TO WALK, YOU SEE IT AS YOU ARE
21:29:46 WALKING, BIKING, RIDING A BUS, DRIVING BY.
21:29:49 THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT ACTIVATING SPACES.
21:29:52 THAT'S WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
21:29:53 IN MOVING MOST OF THOSE ACTIVE SPACES TO THE FRONT, THIS
21:29:57 WILL ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE NOISE FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.
21:30:01 SO I LISTENED THIS MORNING TO A LOT OF THE HEARINGS TALKING
21:30:05 ABOUT NOISE LEVELS AND NOISE POLLUTION.
21:30:08 THIS IS LITERALLY THE FURTHEST WE CAN POSSIBLY MOVE THE
21:30:12 OUTDOOR ACTIVE SPACE AS WAY FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES,
21:30:15 WHICH GOES TO SOLVING A LOT OF THE ISSUES AT THIS POINT, NOT
21:30:18 TO MENTION YOU HAVE GOT A BUILDING BETWEEN HERE AND
21:30:23 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
21:30:24 N ASKING FOR PARKING REDUCTION NOT ONLY ARE WE ENCOURAGING
21:30:28 MORE WALKABILITY AND BIKABILITY AS WELL AS TRANSIT USE BUT
21:30:31 WE ARE ALSO DISINCENTIVIZING IMPAIRED DRIVING.
21:30:35 WE HAVE SEEN A LOT RECENTLY IN THIS AREA FOR PEDESTRIANS
21:30:39 BEING FATALLY HIT BY MOTORISTS.
21:30:42 A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM IMPAIRED DRIVING.
21:30:45 SO IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR THIS IS SOMETHING
21:30:48 WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE. IN PROVIDING BIKE SPACE, WE ARE
21:30:53 RIGHT NOW SET FOR ABOUT 34 BIKES WHICH IS WELL ABOVE WHAT WE
21:30:56 ARE REQUIRED TO DO, AND WELL ABOVE WHAT WE WOULD GIVE CREDIT
21:30:59 FOR.
21:31:00 BUT WE ALSO HAVE ROOM FOR MORE IN LATER PHASES.
21:31:04 WE ARE PLANTING OVER 90 TREES ON-SITE INCLUDING 15 LIVE OAKS
21:31:09 WHICH WILL CONTRIBUTE TO TAMPA'S WELL RENOWNED URBAN TREE
21:31:13 CANNON I.
21:31:14 WE ARE CHOOSING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PERMEABLE MATERIALS
21:31:17 INCLUDING 100-FOOT LINEAR FEET OF BIOSWALE THAT WILL FILTER
21:31:21 RAIN WATER BEFORE IT GETS TO OUR WATERWAYS.
21:31:25 AND WE ARE ALSO PUTTING TWO SALVAGE 100-YEAR-OLD LAUREL OAK
21:31:29 TREES THAT ARE BEING REINCORPORATED INTO THE PROJECT THAT
21:31:32 WILL SELL FROM AN ADJACENT SITE.
21:31:34 SO WE ARE REINTRODUCING FLORIDA NATIVE ELEMENTS, MATERIALS,
21:31:38 PLANTS, AND THEN LASTLY, THE PUBLIC REALM IS NOT ONLY 100%
21:31:43 ADA COMPLIANT BUT WE ARE PURPOSEFULLY INCLUDING WHEELCHAIR
21:31:47 ACCESSIBLE FURNITURE IN THE BEER GARDEN FOR A GREATER AND
21:31:51 LARGER MORE ROBUST AND DIVERSE PATRONAGE.
21:31:57 SO WE FEEL THIS PROJECT IS A MASTER CONTRIBUTION NOT JUST TO
21:32:00 THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BUT TO THE CITY OVERALL FOR THOSE REASONS.
21:32:02 >> TYLER HUDSON.
21:32:07 AND MORE ABOUT THE VISION.
21:32:10 >> BRADY, 6437½ NORTH FLORIDA AVENUE. THE CRAB DEVIL.
21:32:16 SO THIS IS A LARGE COMPLICATED PROJECT WITH A LOT OF MOVING
21:32:20 PARTS TO IT.
21:32:21 JUST TO BREAK IT DOWN QUICKLY, FOR YOU ALL, CRAB DEVIL IS AN
21:32:27 ARTS COLLECTION THAT ARTS COLLECTIVE BROUGHT TOGETHER OUT OF
21:32:30 SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
21:32:32 THEY PUT TOGETHER AN ATTRACTION HERE AT 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA.
21:32:37 SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE VIEW AS NOT JUST A MICROBREWERY
21:32:42 AND TASTING ROOM, BUT AS A CENTER OF ACTIVATION FOR ARTS AND
21:32:49 CULTURE IN CENTRAL TAMPA.
21:32:50 SO IT'S ONE SMALL PART THAT IS CRITICAL TO CUSTOMER
21:33:00 RETENTION BUT IS NOT THE SOUL GOAL OF THE ENDEAVOR.
21:33:04 THIS IS A LARGE SCALE PROJECT THAT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT
21:33:08 PEOPLE INVOLVED.
21:33:10 THE PROJECT IS AN ART GALLERY.
21:33:14 TO BUY INTO THE -- ART SIDE OF THINGS AND YOU HEARD MENTION
21:33:18 THE RESIDENTIAL SPACE UPSTAIRS.
21:33:20 THAT SPACE IS SET ASIDE SO WE COULD USE THE ARTIST TO
21:33:25 RESIDENTS PROGRAM.
21:33:26 THEY HAVE BEEN RUNNING THE ART TOAST RESIDENT PROGRAM FOR
21:33:29 THE LAST SEVEN YEARS OUT OF THEIR SPACE ON FLORIDA AVENUE,
21:33:31 HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS BRINGING NATIONAL, INTERNATIONAL
21:33:34 ARTISTS TO TAMPA FOR PROJECTS AND WITH OTHER ARTISANS IN
21:33:40 TAMPA.
21:33:40 SO WE ARE GOING TO ACTIVATE A SPACE TO PUT ALL OF THOSE
21:33:45 ELEMENTS TOGETHER TO TRY TO PROVIDE JOBS AND RECREATION FOR
21:33:50 THE PEOPLE.
21:33:55 OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, KELLY CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT IT.
21:34:00 >> KELLY LEMIEU, EAST COMANCHE AVENUE.
21:34:06 UP WITH THING WE REALLY WANT TO SHARE IS MAKING SURE THAT
21:34:09 EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS A CORE BELIEF SYSTEM IN OUR ASSOCIATION
21:34:18 IS THAT WE WANT TO BE GOOD STEWARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOT
21:34:24 JUST BRINGING SOMETHING COOL TO TAMPA, WHICH IS WHAT THIS
21:34:27 WILL DO, BUT ALSO HELP ELEVATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HELP OUR
21:34:35 NEIGHBORS, EMPLOY OUR NEIGHBORS, REACH OUR NEIGHBORS, AND
21:34:39 IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS RADICALLY INCLUSIVE
21:34:43 FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
21:34:44 >> WITH THAT, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND
21:34:50 WE'LL HANDLE THE REST OF THE REBUTTAL.
21:34:53 THANK YOU.
21:34:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
21:34:57 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
21:34:58 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:34:59 JOSH, THIS IS A NICE PLAN.
21:35:04 HOW MUCH BARRIER BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE PROPERTY NEXT
21:35:08 TO THE WEST, OR THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST?
21:35:13 >> IF MEMORY SERVES, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REQUIRED TO BE
21:35:21 15 FEET, AND WE MEET THAT WITH SOME.
21:35:24 SO NOT ONLY WILL IT BE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR
21:35:27 LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS PART OF THE EAST TAMPA OVERLAY, BUT IT
21:35:30 WILL ALSO BE HEAVILY PLANTED.
21:35:33 SO IT'S GOING TO SERVE MULTI-FUNCTIONS.
21:35:35 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND OF COURSE THAT BARRIER IS GOING TO
21:35:39 BLOCK ANY TYPES OF LIGHTS FROM CARS GOING ACROSS TO THE
21:35:42 NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY?
21:35:43 >> CORRECT.
21:35:44 AND WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE EXTENDING AN EXISTING WHITE
21:35:48 VINYL PVC FENCE THAT EXISTS.
21:35:51 WE ARE GOING TO BE EXTENDING THAT ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY
21:35:53 LINE.
21:35:54 THAT WILL ALSO HELP, YES.
21:35:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE ONLY CONCERNS I AM HAVING, JOSH, IS THE
21:36:01 PATRONS WILL BE ABLE TO COME OUT OF THIS PARKING LOT AND
21:36:04 TURN WEST.
21:36:07 IS THERE ANY PROPOSED SIGNAGE THAT SAYS YOU CAN ONLY MAKE,
21:36:11 LET'S SAY, A RIGHT ON VIRGINIA OR A LEFT ON STRATFORD SO
21:36:15 IT'S DIRECTING THEM BACK OUT TO NEBRASKA AVENUE?
21:36:18 >> I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
21:36:24 AND I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY POSSIBLE.
21:36:26 WE HAVE TO CONFIRM THE SOLID WASTE MANEUVERABILITY WITH
21:36:31 THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY FOR
21:36:33 SURE.
21:36:34 >> FROM CERTAINLY WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO RESTRICT THAT,
21:36:40 SO YOU CAN'T GO WEST DOWN VIRGINIA OR STRATFORD.
21:36:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE MR. MANASSE WANTS TO SPEAK TO MY
21:36:49 REQUEST.
21:36:49 >>RYAN MANASSE: SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
21:36:52 I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I DO HAVE TRANSPORTATION ON
21:36:54 THE LINE AND THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE KIND OF TECHNICAL
21:36:56 QUESTIONS, AND I SUGGEST WE ASK THE STAFF MEMBER, IF THAT'S
21:36:59 SOMETHING THAT THE SITE PLAN CAN ACTUALLY DO AND THEIR
21:37:03 TECHNICAL MANUAL NEEDS.
21:37:05 SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT, JON?
21:37:09 >> JONATHAN SCOTT, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
21:37:11 YES.
21:37:11 WE ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH A RIGHT TURN ONLY OR LEFT TURN
21:37:16 ONLY SIGN.
21:37:22 >>JOSEPH CITRO: JONATHAN, CAN I ASK THAT AS A REQUEST ON
21:37:28 THIS?
21:37:28 >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT -- GO AHEAD. I'LL LET THE
21:37:39 LEGAL ...
21:37:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE MUTED, MA'AM.
21:37:45 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: I APOLOGIZE.
21:37:51 LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
21:37:53 COUNCILMAN CITRO, THIS IS THE SUBJECT WAIVER REQUEST TO
21:37:56 ACCESS THESE TWO LOCAL STREETS.
21:37:58 SO UNDER THE CODE, COUNCIL CAN GRANT WAIVERS IF YOU FIND AN
21:38:02 ACTIVE GRANT IN THE WAIVER THAT WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE
21:38:04 GENERAL STANDARD, AND SO IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
21:38:07 IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD
21:38:11 ADJACENT HERE, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO IMPOSE SOME OF
21:38:16 THOSE CONDITIONS AS A RESULT OF GRANTING THE WAIVER, IF THAT
21:38:19 IS THE WAY THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL MEAT THE GENERAL
21:38:23 STANDARD.
21:38:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. VELEZ.
21:38:26 THANK YOU, JONATHAN.
21:38:28 DO THE PETITIONERS, THE REPRESENTATIVE, HAVE ANY -- HAVE ANY
21:38:36 PROBLEMS FOR ASKING FOR THAT CONDITION?
21:38:38 >> NO, NOT AT ALL, COUNCIL.
21:38:41 THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
21:38:43 I THINK MAYBE WE NEED TO WORTH SMITH IT ON HERE, BUT I THINK
21:38:47 WHAT WE WOULD SAY, CODIFIED PLAN CONDITION THAT THE
21:38:52 DEVELOPER INSTALL SIGNAGE PROHIBITING VEHICULAR TURNS
21:38:59 WESTBOUND ON STRATFORD AND VIRGINIA AVENUE, AND WE CAN WORK
21:39:01 WITH JONATHAN AND RYAN BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
21:39:06 BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INTENT IS, AND ON BEHALF
21:39:10 OF THE TEAM, THAT'S ACTUALLY OKAY FOR THAT CHANGE.
21:39:13 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THEM GO IN THE
21:39:16 DIRECTION OF NEBRASKA AVENUE SO THEY ARE NOT TRAVELING
21:39:18 THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:39:19 >> THAT'S RIGHT.
21:39:21 I THINK FOR VIRGINIA AVENUE, LEFT AND RIGHT OUT, THEN THE
21:39:25 OPPOSITE FOR THE STREET TO THE SOUTH.
21:39:27 AND I MAY BE CONFUSED ON THE SLIDE THERE BUT I THINK WE ARE
21:39:31 ALL ON THE SAME PAGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING.
21:39:39 >> I SUFFER FROM DYSLEXIA, TOO.
21:39:41 THANK YOU.
21:39:42 NOTHING MORE, MR. CHAIR.
21:39:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR?
21:39:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD EVENING, SIR.
21:39:47 >> TYLER HUDSON: GOOD EVENING.
21:39:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS RELATES TO AMPLIFIED SOUND OR MUSIC,
21:39:56 THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE, CORRECT?
21:39:58 >> THERE WILL BE AN OUTDOOR AREA WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE, IN
21:40:02 TERMS OF THE SOUND, I AM GOING TO DEFER TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE
21:40:06 ACTUALLY DOING THIS PROJECT, DEVON.
21:40:10 >> YEAH, THE INTENT FOR THE BEER GARDEN AREA IS AGAIN NOT TO
21:40:15 HAVE OUTDOOR LIVE MUSIC AT THIS TIME.
21:40:21 I THINK SIMILAR TO THE JUG AND BOTTLE APPLICATION, THE
21:40:25 AMBIENT, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THE 10:00
21:40:30 LIMITATION I THINK WOULD BE FINE WITH US, IF THAT'S WHAT'S
21:40:35 BEING ASKED FOR.
21:40:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA BEHIND THERE.
21:40:40 I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE LIVE BEHIND THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
21:40:43 ALSO, IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT ON THE SITE PLAN, IT WOULD BE
21:40:48 GREAT.
21:40:49 >> I WOULD BE AGREEABLE WITH THE SAME CONDITION THAT WAS
21:40:53 JUST IMPOSED ON THE PRIOR APPLICATION, IF THAT WERE
21:40:58 COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
21:40:59 WE ARE CERTAINLY OKAY WITH THAT.
21:41:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
21:41:02 I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THAT SITE IS A LITTLE OF A
21:41:07 HISTORICAL SITE.
21:41:08 MR. MIRANDA MAY KNOW, MAYBE MR. DINGFELDER.
21:41:12 THAT SITE USED TO BE THE OLD DUVAL FUNERAL HOME.
21:41:16 MANY YEARS AGO.
21:41:17 BEFORE IT WAS EVEN A CHURCH.
21:41:18 SO IT HAS HISTORICAL VALUE.
21:41:22 THANK YOU.
21:41:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:41:25 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
21:41:27 YES?
21:41:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST FOR CLARITY, MR. HUDSON, YOU
21:41:31 SAID -- WHAT DID YOU SAY, 10 P.M., SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AS FAR
21:41:38 AS AMPLIFIED SOUND?
21:41:40 >> YES.
21:41:42 THAT WORKS FOR US, SIR.
21:41:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ABOUT YOUR GENERAL HOURS OF
21:41:46 OPERATION?
21:41:47 MR. MANASSE SAID 3 IN THE MORNING, BASICALLY, WAS THE
21:41:52 STANDARD, THE DEFAULT POSITION.
21:41:54 BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR 3 A.M., SEVEN DAYS A
21:41:59 WEEK.
21:41:59 >> THAT'S CORRECT.
21:42:03 AND THESE DEFAULTS ARE CHAPTER 14 HOURS, AND DIDN'T WANT TO
21:42:06 CHANGE THAT, OR DIDN'T ELECT TO CHANGE IT.
21:42:09 BUT I SHOULDN'T ASSUME THAT WAS TO MAXIMIZE THE HOURS.
21:42:14 I THINK HE'S STILL FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE HOURS ARE
21:42:18 GOING TO BE.
21:42:19 AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT MY CLIENT --
21:42:24 >> SO THAT THE CRAP APPLE PORTION OF THINGS, DON'T SEE
21:42:33 ANYTHING HAPPENING PAST MIDNIGHT.
21:42:37 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PLACE LIMITATIONS ON.
21:42:43 HE'S STILL FIGURING OUT HOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TOO.
21:42:45 >> YEAH, I MEAN, I HADN'T REALLY PLANNED -- I'M SORRY.
21:42:53 STEVE OGDEN, 14727 NORWOOD OAKS DRIVE, TAMPA, FLORIDA.
21:42:59 YEAH, SAYING OPENING AS 11 OR MIDNIGHT IN THE BEGINNING
21:43:07 WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY, FROM THE WEEK, PROBABLY MUCH SOONER
21:43:16 THAN THAT, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NEW
21:43:20 BUSINESS STARTING UP.
21:43:21 SO I AM NOT TRYING TO LIKE UPSET THE NEIGHBORS.
21:43:24 WE REALLY WANT TO BE FRIENDLY TO EVERYBODY.
21:43:29 IF WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE, A LITTLE LATER, OBVIOUSLY
21:43:33 WHATEVER IS COMFORTABLE.
21:43:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I CAN'T REALLY TELL.
21:43:39 DO YOU HAVE ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS NEARBY OVER THERE ON
21:43:45 TALIAFERO OR WHAT?
21:43:49 >> THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL TO THE WEST OF THE PARKING AREA SO
21:43:52 ONE OF THE CHANGES WITH THIS SITE, WITH THE CURRENT WET
21:43:56 ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY, THE BUILDING IS WET ZONED.
21:43:59 THAT'S NOT CHANGING NOW.
21:44:01 IN THE CURRENT WET ZONING, THE OUTDOOR AREA IS ACTUALLY THE
21:44:04 WEST, CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:44:06 AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS SHIFTING THAT EAST SO IT FRONTS
21:44:11 NEBRASKA.
21:44:12 AND IT CERTAINLY IS GOING TO BE A QUIETER SITUATION JUST BY
21:44:17 VIRTUE OF THE FOOTPRINT.
21:44:21 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH LIKE 11:00
21:44:26 ON SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, AND 1:00 IN THE MORNING
21:44:31 THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY?
21:44:32 >> THAT SOUND GOOD.
21:44:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
21:44:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:44:40 ANYTHING ELSE?
21:44:41 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
21:44:43 FOR ITEM NUMBER 5?
21:44:49 WE HAVE SOMEONE.
21:44:49 VERY GOOD.
21:44:52 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:44:52 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR.
21:44:53 >> MY NAME IS RICK WATTWOLF, 5121 SOUTH NICHOLS STREET.
21:45:01 AND I AM HERE JUST TO BE CLEAR.
21:45:03 I WANT FULL DISCLOSURE.
21:45:04 I WAS HANDLING THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS ZONED FOR THIS
21:45:08 SPECIAL USE 2 A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO AGO.
21:45:11 AND I WAS THE SELLER TO THE CURRENT OWNER.
21:45:16 MY SOUL PURPOSE OF BEING HERE IS DURING THE COURSE OF MY
21:45:20 OWNERSHIP, I ESTABLISHED A RELATIONSHIP WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE
21:45:23 IN THE AREA, ONE OF WHOM ASKED ME TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF.
21:45:28 SO I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE AUTHORIZATION SO YOU WILL KNOW
21:45:31 THAT I AM TRYING TO KEEP MY SCOPE VERY LIMITED.
21:45:35 DEAR COUNCILMAN GUDES, JUST HAPPENS TO BE HER COUNCILMAN, AS
21:45:39 THE OWNER OF 707 EAST VIRGINIA AVENUE AND AS ONE OF YOUR
21:45:44 CONSTITUENTS, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ALLOW RICK
21:45:48 WOLF, THAT'S ME, TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF AT THE UPCOME HEARING
21:45:53 ON A MATTER DESCRIBED ABOVE.
21:45:55 HE WILL LIMIT HIS INPUT TO READING THE LETTER I HAVE WRITTEN
21:46:01 AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY.
21:46:05 NOW I WILL READ HER LETTER.
21:46:08 DEAR COUNCILMAN GUDES, I AM WRITING TO EXPRESS MY OBJECTION
21:46:11 TO THE PETITION REFERENCED ABOVE.
21:46:15 AS A LIVE TIME RESIDENT OF THE AREA, IN FACT LIVING NEXT
21:46:18 DOOR AND SHARING THE PROPERTY LINE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST,
21:46:22 I AM CONCERNED THAT THIS WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON ME,
21:46:27 MY NEIGHBORS AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
21:46:29 THE OWNERS OF THE BUSINESS, CRAB DEVIL, HAVE MADE THEMSELVES
21:46:35 AVAILABLE TO EXPLAIN THEIR PLANS.
21:46:37 I HAVE ATTENDED ONE OF THEIR PRESENTATIONS.
21:46:40 HOWEVER, THEY DID NOT MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ALCOHOL OTHER THAN
21:46:44 BEER AND WINE WOULD BE PRODUCED OR SOLD, FOR BOTH
21:46:50 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND OFF.
21:46:52 IN ADDITION, IT HAS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MULTIPLE
21:46:56 SHIPPING CONTAINERS THAT HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO THE SITE
21:46:59 OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS WILL BECOME PERMANENT
21:47:02 INSTALLATIONS ON THIS SITE.
21:47:05 MY MISTAKEN THOUGHT WAS THAT THEY WERE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION
21:47:08 TO STORING CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND TOOLS.
21:47:12 THE OWNER DID NOT DISCLOSE THIS PORTION OF THEIR PLANS.
21:47:16 I REMAIN CONFIDENT THAT INVESTMENTS IN THIS AREA COULD BE
21:47:19 MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL.
21:47:21 I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE FULL AND CLEAR
21:47:24 DISCLOSURE TO THE COUNCIL, AND TO THOSE OF US AFFECTED BY
21:47:28 THE PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS MAGNITUDE AT THIS
21:47:33 PROMINENT LOCATION BEFORE THE FIRST STEPS ARE TAKEN OR
21:47:37 APPROVALS GRANTED.
21:47:39 NOR REASON, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU REJECT THIS PLAN
21:47:43 AND ENCOURAGE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WHOSE
21:47:46 CONSTITUENTS ARE NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED TO HONOR THE WISHES
21:47:50 OF THOSE OF US WHO WILL BE MOST AFFECTED.
21:47:54 AND I WELCOME THE PETITIONER CRAB DEVIL TO FULLY EXPLAIN
21:47:57 THEIR PLANS WITH THE HOPE THAT WE CAN REACH A SOLUTION THAT
21:48:02 WILL BENEFIT ALL OF US WHO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENTS IN
21:48:06 THIS AREA.
21:48:09 THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL REPRESENTATION AND SUPPORT OF
21:48:12 MY REQUEST.
21:48:13 SINCERELY, VICTORIA BERNARDO, 707 EAST VIRGINIA AVENUE.
21:48:19 THANK YOU.
21:48:19 AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
21:48:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN?
21:48:25 NONE?
21:48:26 WE GO TO THE NEXT PERSON.
21:48:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:48:30 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SOAKED FLOOR HERE TO SPEAK
21:48:32 FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
21:48:37 >>AILEEN ROSARIO: NO, CHAIR, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE ON THE
21:48:39 FLOOR TO SPEAK.
21:48:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED VIRTUALLY
21:48:42 TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 5?
21:48:44 WE DO?
21:48:45 OKAY.
21:48:45 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
21:48:50 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).
21:48:53 >> GO AHEAD, SIR.
21:48:59 >> MY NAME IS SHAUN McGINN, EAST VIRGINIA AVENUE, CALLING
21:49:06 TO SAY MY FAMILY AND I VERY STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
21:49:13 WE ARE NEW TO THE BAY AREA TWO MONTHS AGO AND ONE OF THE
21:49:15 REASONS WHY WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE THAT WE DID IS WHEN WE FOUND
21:49:19 OUT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
21:49:24 SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED FOR IT.
21:49:25 I KNOW SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE VERY EXCITED FOR IT.
21:49:36 WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
21:49:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:49:40 AND THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON WE HAVE VIRTUALLY?
21:49:44 >> WE DID HAVE FOUR OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
21:49:46 BUT THEY ARE NOT LOGGED IN.
21:49:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
21:49:48 ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE GO TO REBUTTAL?
21:49:56 ALL RIGHT.
21:49:57 MR. HUDSON, GO AHEAD.
21:50:01 OH, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, YES, SIR.
21:50:05 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.
21:50:05 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
21:50:13 I JUST WANT CLARITY ON THE OUTDOOR MUSIC, THE TAMES.
21:50:21 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:50:25 I WILL STATE IT AND IF IT'S INCORRECT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW,
21:50:28 TYLER.
21:50:29 I HEARD IN A OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 10 P.M.
21:50:34 COUNCILMAN.
21:50:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:50:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. HUDSON, I ALWAYS LIKE TO LISTEN TO MY
21:50:44 CONSTITUENTS.
21:50:46 AND I CAN TELL THIS IS PROBABLY SOMEONE ELDERLY WHO COULDN'T
21:50:55 GET HERE AT THE TIME TO HAVE SOMEONE TO WRITE A LETTER, HAVE
21:50:59 IT NOTE RACED AND HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND READ IT.
21:51:03 VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT ESPECIALLY WHEN
21:51:06 THEY TAKE THE EXTRA STEPS TO WANT TO BE HEARD.
21:51:11 I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS MAY GO, BUT IF IT RULES IN YOUR FAVOR
21:51:15 OR NOT, I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE YOU
21:51:19 ARE GOING TO BE THE NEW NINE IF THIS HAPPENS TO COME TO
21:51:23 FRUITION.
21:51:24 AND I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WILL LISTEN TO THE ADDRESS OF THE
21:51:26 NEIGHBOR WHO IS RIGHT BEHIND OR VERY CLOSE TO THIS BUSINESS
21:51:30 AND TAKE THE TIME TO GO AND TALK TO THAT NEIGHBOR.
21:51:33 THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
21:51:37 IN CASE SHE'S LISTENING, TO KNOW THAT IT IS IMPORTANT.
21:51:41 SOMETIMES I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE, WHEN I SAY TRY TO PULL THE
21:51:46 WOOL OVER MY EYES, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN
21:51:50 WITH YOUR GROUP, BUT I WILL MAKE AN APPEAL THAT YOU GO AND
21:51:56 TALK TO THAT RESIDENT SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR PLANS
21:51:59 ARE, YOUR ART AND THINGS YOU ARE TRYING TO DO FOR THAT
21:52:03 COMMUNITY, TO UPLIFT THAT COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT COMMUNITY
21:52:06 RIGHT THERE DOES NEED SOME UPLIFTING.
21:52:08 SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU AND YOUR FOLKS DO THAT, NO MATTER
21:52:11 HOW IT GOES THIS EVENING, SIR.
21:52:12 THANK YOU.
21:52:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:52:16 MR. HUDSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE ASK FOR A MOTION
21:52:18 TO CLOSE?
21:52:21 YOU ARE MUTED.
21:52:21 >> TYLER HUDSON: JUST VERY BRIEFLY, COUNCILMAN GUDES.
21:52:32 WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO TALK TO THAT NEIGHBOR, I BELIEVE
21:52:36 AS SOON AS TOMORROW MORNING, AND KELLY WILL SPEAK TO THAT IN
21:52:40 A SECOND.
21:52:41 JUST SO COUNCIL IS AWARE, I SPOKE TO MR. WOLF WHO READ THE
21:52:46 LETTER AND WILL REPRESENT TO COUNCIL FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND
21:52:48 THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS IS THAT THIS IS
21:52:52 GOING TO BE A LIQUOR STORE, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A
21:52:56 SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE BUSINESS.
21:52:58 AND I AM SAYING AS SOMEONE WHO IS SWORN THAT THAT IS
21:53:01 ABSOLUTELY NOT WHAT THIS BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE.
21:53:04 THERE WILL BE SALES OF SPIRITS PRODUCED ON-SITE, BUT THIS
21:53:09 WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT BE A LIQUOR STORE.
21:53:12 MANY OF US ARE CONSTITUENTS, COUNCIL GUDES, AND ARE INVESTED
21:53:18 IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
21:53:19 I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH HER.
21:53:22 AND KELLY, I WOULD LIKE HER TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT THE
21:53:25 COMMUNICATION THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY HAD TO DATE WITH HER,
21:53:28 JUST SO COUNCIL HAS SOME ASSURANCE THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY
21:53:32 LISTENING TO HER AND WILL BE DEDICATED TO HER SUPPORT.
21:53:36 >> KELLY: THANK YOU.
21:53:37 IN FACT I CAN ONLY ECHO WHAT TYLER SAID, AND AGREE WITH YOU
21:53:41 100%, COUNCILMAN GUDES, THAT YOU HAVE OUR COMMITMENT, AND
21:53:47 OUR NEIGHBOR HAS THE COMMITMENT TO CONTINUING CONVERSATIONS,
21:53:50 TO MAKE SURE THAT EXPECTATIONS ARE SET, AND THAT
21:53:54 EXPECTATIONS ARE CLEAR ABOUT THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF OUR
21:53:58 PROJECT, AND HOW MUCH WE WANT TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, OUR
21:54:03 IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY.
21:54:06 SO WE HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS ON
21:54:12 VIRGINIA AND STRATFORD, MRS. BERNADO BEING ONE OF THEM.
21:54:16 SO WE HAVE OPEN LANES OF COMMUNICATION AND WE WILL
21:54:19 ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT AGAIN OUR VISION IS
21:54:22 CLEAR TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
21:54:25 >> WITH THAT WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND REQUEST
21:54:29 THAT YOU DO APPROVE THIS.
21:54:35 >>>: MOTION TO CLOSE BY CITRO, SECOND BY GUDES.
21:54:37 ALL IN FAVOR?
21:54:39 COUNCILMEMBER GUDES WORKS YOU LIKE TO READ THIS ITEM?
21:54:43 COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON, ITEM NUMBER 5?
21:54:46 >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR FILE NUMBER AB
21:54:56 2-21-07, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
21:55:01 CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT
21:55:04 SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION
21:55:08 ON PREMISES IN PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES, CONSUMPTION AND
21:55:12 MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC
21:55:14 CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR, AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT,
21:55:18 PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 3800 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE
21:55:22 AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING THAT
21:55:25 ALL ORDINANCES OR PART OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
21:55:28 REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-1 PROVIDING AN
21:55:34 EFFECTIVE DATE.
21:55:34 >> SECOND.
21:55:38 >>BILL CARLSON: AND THAT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH
21:55:44 CONTIGUOUS AND SURROUNDING PROPERTY, AND IT WILL NOT
21:55:47 ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT OR ENCOURAGE MORE INTENSIVE OR
21:55:50 COMPATIBLE USE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
21:55:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
21:55:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
21:55:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND DIRECTING TRAFFIC TOWARDS NEBRASKA
21:56:06 AVENUE, AND NO AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR SOUND AFTER 10 P.M.
21:56:12 >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU.
21:56:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. HUDSON, ALSO THE HOURS OF OPERATION ON
21:56:16 THE SITE PLAN?
21:56:19 AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO HAVE THOSE NUMBERS, MR.
21:56:22 MANASSE, OR DO YOU HAVE THOSE?
21:56:25 >>RYAN MANASSE: I CAN STATE THEM.
21:56:26 I HEARD IT WAS SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY, 11 P.M. CLOSE, AND
21:56:29 THEN THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, 1 A.M. DO WE HAVE AN
21:56:33 OPENING TIME?
21:56:34 DID YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THAT?
21:56:42 >> WE ARE STILL FIGURING THINGS OUT.
21:56:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DID YOU SAY?
21:56:45 >> IF WE CAN JUST HAVE THE CLOSING TIME FOR NOW.
21:56:48 WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE OPENING AND WHATNOT.
21:56:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
21:56:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN ARE THERE ANY OTHER REVISIONS TO BE
21:56:55 DONE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, MR. MANASSE?
21:57:01 >> AS STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
21:57:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT CAN BE STATED IN THE MOTION.
21:57:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
21:57:09 ROLL CALL VOTE.
21:57:10 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
21:57:12 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
21:57:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
21:57:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
21:57:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
21:57:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
21:57:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
21:57:20 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
21:57:22 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MAY 20 AT 9:30
21:57:25 A.M.
21:57:26 >> MAY I SAY SOMETHING, MR. CHAIR?
21:57:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
21:57:30 >> JUST BEFORE -- I KNOW THE HEARING IS DONE.
21:57:37 WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, YOU ALWAYS TAKE
21:57:42 PEOPLE AT THEIR KEYWORD.
21:57:43 BUT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, I HAVE JUST GIVEN THEIR
21:57:48 VISION ON THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT.
21:57:51 I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE -- OUR FRIEND COUNCILMAN
21:57:59 GUDES, AND I KNOW BASED ON THEIR STELLAR REPUTATION AND
21:58:03 EVERYTHING, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, SIR.
21:58:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
21:58:09 ALL RIGHT.
21:58:10 ITEM NUMBER 6.
21:58:18 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:58:19 CAN WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE SCREEN?
21:58:28 THANK YOU.
21:58:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR.
21:58:30 WE CAN SEE IT.
21:58:31 >> ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
21:58:39 GOING OVER CASE AB 2-21-13.
21:58:43 THE APPLICANT IS ODELMA MATOS, SEAN ROBINSON, PROPERTY
21:58:50 ADDRESS
21:58:56 FOR WAIVER REQUESTS WE HAVE SECTION NUMBER 27-132, TO REDUCE
21:59:01 THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FROM OTHER AB
21:59:07 SALES ESTABLISHMENTS FROM.
21:59:13 [~DISTORTION~] THE AB SALES, 1301 EAST 7TH AVENUE AND THEY
21:59:21 ARE 23 FEET AWAY.
21:59:26 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~]
21:59:29 THE REQUEST HERE IS THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS REQUESTING
21:59:31 SPECIAL USE APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC
21:59:34 BEVERAGES FOR A SMALL VENUE, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR,
21:59:38 CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES ONLY.
21:59:40 THE PROPOSED USE IS ALLOWANCE LOUNGE, CIGAR BAR AND LOUNGE,
21:59:45 RESTAURANT, AND RETAIL SALES.
21:59:46 THE PROPOSED APPLICATION REQUEST A TOTAL OF 2,264 SQUARE
21:59:51 FEET, COMPRISING OF 1,586 SQUARE FEET INDOOR, AND 677 SQUARE
21:59:58 FEET OUTDOOR.
22:00:00 THE SITE PLAN INDICATES THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION WILL
22:00:02 BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14, OFF-STREET PARKING IS
22:00:06 REQUIRED -- NOT REQUIRED IN YC 1.
22:00:09 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE YBOR CITY URBAN VILLAGE
22:00:13 AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATIONS REQUIREMENT IS 250 FEET FROM
22:00:17 OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
22:00:19 THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT THE SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE
22:00:22 LOCATED WITHIN PARKING OR LOADING AREA OR SPACE AND ALL
22:00:26 PERMITS ISSUED AFTER APRIL 1st, 2011 SHALL KEEP ON-SITE
22:00:31 PROPERTY OF THE ADOPTED ORDINANCE AND ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN,
22:00:35 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, SALES PERMIT.
22:00:39 LOOKING OVER HERE, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE RED DOTTED AREA IS
22:00:43 THE ESTABLISHMENT, TO THE NORTH YOU HAVE YC 3, TO THE WEST
22:00:50 YOU HAVE YC 2 ZONING, TO THE YC 6 AND YC 9.
22:01:00 LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN YOU WILL SEE IN THE RED YOU HAVE
22:01:06 THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH THE PARKING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE
22:01:09 WEST.
22:01:12 ACROSS THE STREET, YOU HAVE, ALSO YOU HAVE ESTABLISHMENTS
22:01:16 LIKE OFFICES, AND VACANT OFFICES.
22:01:22 HERE IS A VIEW, WHERE THE OFFICES ARE LOCATED.
22:01:26 ALSO THERE'S VACANT OFFICES IN THE AREA.
22:01:28 JUST SOUTH, YOU HAVE THE -- RIGHT BEHIND IT.
22:01:33 [~AUDIO DISTORTION~] AND THE OFFICE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE
22:01:36 HERE BEING THE CIGAR LOUNGE.
22:01:40 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
22:01:43 APPLICATION AND FIND IT INCONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE
22:01:46 CITY OF TAMPA CODE ORDINANCES.
22:01:49 I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
22:01:50 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS?
22:01:53 NO?
22:01:54 ALL RIGHT.
22:01:54 I SEE THE APPLICANT IS ON CAMERA.
22:01:56 CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND THE CLERK CAN SWEAR YOU
22:02:00 IN?
22:02:00 >>THE CLERK: (OATH ADMINISTERED)
22:02:10 >> YES.
22:02:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
22:02:12 GO AHEAD.
22:02:12 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU MAY PRESENT.
22:02:14 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK)
22:02:19 MR. ROBINSON?
22:02:20 >> YES, MR. SHARE.
22:02:25 THIS IS SHAWN ROBINSON, 1315 EAST 7TH AVENUE, 33605.
22:02:44 THE STAFF REPORT, AND [~DISTORTION~] CIGAR LOUNGE, BEER,
22:02:59 WINE, LIQUOR TO ENHANCE, AND OFF TO THE DISTANCE TO REDUCE
22:03:11 THE REQUIRED DISTANCE SEPARATION REQUIREMENT, [~AUDIO CUTS
22:03:17 OUT~] TO 23 FEET.
22:03:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:03:29 ANY QUESTIONS?
22:03:30 NO?
22:03:34 SIR, MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
22:03:42 ALL RIGHT OF THE ANYTHING ELSE?
22:03:47 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC?
22:03:50 THERE'S NOBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT DO WE HAVE ANYBODY
22:03:52 VIRTUALLY?
22:03:54 >> THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
22:03:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER CAN WE GET A
22:03:58 MOTION TO CLOSE?
22:03:59 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
22:04:01 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:04:05 ALL IN FAVOR?
22:04:06 ALL RIGHT.
22:04:09 COUNCILMAN GUDES WORKS YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 6?
22:04:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AB 2-21-13, ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST
22:04:16 READING CONSIDERATION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE
22:04:19 PERMIT S-2 ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION
22:04:24 ON PREMISES ONLY AND MAKING LEVEL BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR FOR
22:04:31 LAND LOCATED AT 1315 EAST 7TH AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA
22:04:36 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2, ALL PORTIONS IN CONFLICT REPEALED,
22:04:43 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
22:04:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER
22:04:49 GUDES.
22:04:49 COUNCILMAN CITRO WITH THE SECOND.
22:04:52 ROLL CALL VOTE.
22:04:52 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
22:04:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
22:04:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
22:04:56 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.
22:04:57 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
22:04:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.
22:05:00 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES ON FIRST READING.
22:05:02 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
22:05:05 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MAY 20th AT
22:05:08 9:30 A.M.
22:05:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:05:15 ITEM NUMBER 7.
22:05:16 >> ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
22:05:23 CAN I HAVE CONTROL OF THE SCREEN AGAIN?
22:05:29 THANK YOU.
22:05:31 >>ZAIN HUSAIN: CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN?
22:05:37 WONDERFUL.
22:05:37 ZAIN HUSAIN, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, CASE AB 2-21-15.
22:05:42 THE APPLICANT IS PSREG NOHO SQUARE OWNER LLC, JOHN GRANDOFF,
22:05:51 PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1701 WEST GRAY STREET.
22:05:57 THERE ARE NO WAIVERS FOR THIS PROPERTY, AND THERE ARE NO
22:06:02 ESTABLISHMENTS WITH AB SALES WITHIN 250 FEET OF THIS
22:06:06 ESTABLISHMENT.
22:06:08 THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL USE
22:06:10 APPROVAL TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR A
22:06:13 SMALL VENUE, BEER AND WINE, CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND
22:06:19 PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES ONLY.
22:06:23 FILE REZ 21-01, AND THE USE IS ALCOHOLIC SALE IS BEING
22:06:31 APPLIED TO IS RETAIL SALES CONVENIENCE GOODS AND LIMITS THE
22:06:34 USE TO 10 SEATS OR LESS.
22:06:36 THE PROPOSED APPLICATION REQUESTS A TOTAL OF 1,457 SQUARE
22:06:41 FEET COMPRISING 11,137 SQUARE FEET INDOOR AND 320 SQUARE
22:06:47 FEET OUTDOORS.
22:06:50 THE SITE PLAN INDICATES PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION AND WILL
22:06:52 BE CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 14.
22:06:54 THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE USES IS 348 PARKING SPACES FOR
22:06:59 APPROVED PD FILE REZ 21-01.
22:07:03 THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE WEST TAMPA URBAN VILLAGE
22:07:06 AND THE DISTANCE SEPARATION'S REQUIREMENT IS 250 FEET FROM
22:07:10 OTHER AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS.
22:07:12 AND THERE ARE NO AB SALES ESTABLISHMENTS WITHIN THE 250
22:07:16 FEET.
22:07:17 THE SITE PLAN STATES THAT THE SALES AREA SHALL NOT BE
22:07:20 LOCATED WITHIN A PARKING OR LOADING AREA OR SPACE AND ALL
22:07:24 PERMITS ISSUED AFTER APRIL 1st, 2011 SHALL KEEP ON-SITE
22:07:28 A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE AND ASSOCIATED SITE PLAN, ALCOHOLIC
22:07:33 BEVERAGES SALES PERMITS.
22:07:38 YOU SEE THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE MAP HERE.
22:07:41 THE PD WITH A RED BOX AROUND IT.
22:07:44 IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE AREA, TO THE WEST YOU HAVE RS-50
22:07:47 ZONING, NORTH AND WEST, CE ZONING, AND IG ZONING TO YOUR
22:07:53 EAST YOU HAVE IG ZONING, AND PD ZONING, AND TO YOUR SOUTH
22:07:58 YOU ALSO HAVE PD ZONING.
22:08:02 LOOKING OVER HERE AT THE SITE PLAN YOU SEE THE ESTABLISHMENT
22:08:05 WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE SALES.
22:08:07 ALSO YOU HAVE THE ELEVATION, THE WEST, EAST, SOUTH, AND
22:08:11 NORTH ELEVATIONS.
22:08:14 LOOKING AT PICTURES OF THE SITE YOU WILL SEE TO THE NORTH,
22:08:17 YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY.
22:08:20 TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE MORE MULTIFAMILY.
22:08:23 AND TO THE EAST YOU ALSO HAVE MORE MULTIFAMILY.
22:08:27 TO THE WEST YOU SEE YOU HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME
22:08:32 AND ALSO THE SUBJECT SITE IS ON YOUR RIGHT SIDE LOOKING AT
22:08:35 THE PROPERTY BEING ESTABLISHED.
22:08:39 THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND COMPLIANCE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE
22:08:42 APPLICATION AND FIND IT CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE CITY OF
22:08:44 TAMPA CODE ORDINANCES.
22:08:47 THANK YOU.
22:08:47 AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
22:08:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
22:08:51 HEARING NONE, I SEE THE APPLICANT ONLINE.
22:08:56 IF YOU WERE NOT SWORN IN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
22:08:59 WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
22:09:00 [OATH ADMINISTERED]
22:09:04 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD.
22:09:07 PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
22:09:07 >> MY NAME IS JAIME MAIER FOR THE APPLICANT, 101 EAST
22:09:13 KENNEDY BOULEVARD, SUITE 3700 TAMPA.
22:09:15 I AM GOING TO SHOW MY SCREEN AND A BRIEF PowerPoint.
22:09:20 I WILL MAKE IT EXTRA BRIEF.
22:09:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXCELLENT.
22:09:22 GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
22:09:23 WE CAN SEE IT.
22:09:24 >> IS IT ON THE RIGHT SCREEN VERSION?
22:09:32 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DUCKWEED URBAN GROCERIES.
22:09:38 >> THIS IS THE DUCK WEED URBAN GROCERY.
22:09:41 I AM SURE YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER DUCK WEED
22:09:44 LOCATIONS IN THE CITY.
22:09:45 THERE'S ONE IN CHANNELSIDE AND ONE DOWNTOWN.
22:09:50 IN CHANNELSIDE THERE'S ALSO A LIQUOR STORE BUT WE ARE ONLY
22:09:53 ASKING FOR BEER AND WINE THAT IT BE SOLD IN THE GROCERY
22:09:57 STORE AND ALSO CAN BE CONSUMED ON PREMISES.
22:10:00 AGAIN, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS ALREADY, BUT THIS IS CURRENTLY
22:10:02 UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
22:10:04 IT'S NOT FULLY BUILT OUT BUT IT'S GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY
22:10:07 UNITS IN THAT AREA, WEST TAMPA, NORTH HYDE PARK AREA THAT IS
22:10:12 BEING BUILT UP, KIND OF SIMILAR, I THINK, TO CHANNELSIDE
22:10:15 WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DENSITY AND THESE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE
22:10:19 USES AND I THINK DUCK WEED GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO
22:10:24 COMPLEMENT THE AREA VERY WELL.
22:10:25 HERE IS A CLOSE-UP OF THE SITE PLAN AND YOU CAN SEE THE
22:10:28 CORNER WHERE THE DUCK WEED STORE IS GOING TO BE, AT THE
22:10:31 INTERSECTION OF ROME AND GRAY.
22:10:33 SO IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED BY FOUR DIFFERENT
22:10:39 MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA.
22:10:44 AND AGAIN, THE EAST BUILDING ELEVATION IS YOU ARE STANDING
22:10:48 ON ROME, LOOKING TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT, THE DUCK WEED STORE
22:10:54 WOULD BE OVER THERE WHERE WE HAVE CIRCLED IT.
22:10:57 AGAIN WE ARE ASKING FOR A TOTAL OF ABOUT 1400 SQUARE FEET OF
22:11:00 AB SEALS INDOOR, ABOUT 1100 THAT'S GOING TO BE SELLING BEER
22:11:05 AND WINE THERE.
22:11:06 MIGHT BE A CAFE TABLE IN THERE FOR ON PREEMPTION
22:11:09 CONSUMPTION.
22:11:09 OUTDOORS, SMALL, 320 SQUARE FEET, AND IT WILL BE FENCED OFF
22:11:13 AS REQUIRED, UNDER 10 FEET.
22:11:17 NO WAIVERS REQUESTED AS STAFF EXPLAINED.
22:11:20 THERE'S SOME PICTURES.
22:11:22 THIS IS THE DOWNTOWN STORE ON 10th STREET.
22:11:25 YOU CAN SEE THEIR OUTDOOR SEATING EAR KIND OF THE SAME IDEA
22:11:28 WHERE PEOPLE CAN SIT, RELAX.
22:11:30 I THINK THEY SELL SMOOTHIES AS WELL AS ALCOHOL.
22:11:35 AGAIN, STAFF FIND THE REQUEST CONSISTENT.
22:11:38 NO WAIVERS.
22:11:40 ADEQUATE PARKING UNDER THE PD PLAN.
22:11:43 SO A LOT OF REG LEG WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
22:11:47 AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND I'M HERE
22:11:50 FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
22:11:51 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
22:11:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOOD EVENING, MS. MAIER.
22:11:59 I KNOW I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ALL OF COUNCIL, WE APPRECIATE
22:12:01 THE MIXED USE COMPONENT OF THIS APARTMENT BUILDING.
22:12:06 SO THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM OR PERHAPS THE DUCK IN THE ROOM
22:12:10 WOULD BE ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, AND POSSIBLE
22:12:15 AMPLIFIED SOUND.
22:12:20 ANY BUSINESS PLAN ON EITHER OF THOSE?
22:12:22 >> AT THIS TIME, WE WERE GOING WITH WHAT'S PERMITTED IN CODE
22:12:31 AS THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW.
22:12:34 I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE AWAKE RATE NOW.
22:12:37 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR HOURS OF
22:12:39 OPERATION ARE AT THE OTHER STORES?
22:12:42 >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I CAN ACTUALLY GOOGLE THAT
22:12:46 RIGHT NOW, IF THAT IS OKAY.
22:12:49 THE DUCK WEED.
22:12:53 PROBABLY NOTHING.
22:12:56 OH, IT CLOSES AT 11.
22:12:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE -- I
22:13:03 WOULDN'T EVEN PUT YOU ON THE SPOT WITH 11.
22:13:06 WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH MIDNIGHT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK?
22:13:09 >> I WOULD.
22:13:12 THANK YOU.
22:13:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ABOUT AMPLIFIED MUSIC?
22:13:15 WE HAVE RUN INTO THE SITUATION IN CHANNELSIDE AND BUILDING
22:13:19 AT THE BOTTOM OF APARTMENTS WHERE THE MUSIC IS BOTHERING THE
22:13:26 UPSTAIRS TENANTS.
22:13:27 SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NIP THIS IN THE BUD.
22:13:33 IN CASE THAT'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM.
22:13:35 I KNOW DUCK WEED IS NOT NECESSARILY KNOWN FOR RAUCOUS MUSIC
22:13:41 OR ANYTHING, BUT THE ZONING GOES WITH THE LAND, SO WE HAVE
22:13:46 TO BE EXTRA CAUTIOUS.
22:13:48 >> SURE.
22:13:52 I THINK YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT.
22:13:53 THE DUCK WEED IS PROBABLY NOT THAT KIND OF LOCATION SO I'M
22:13:56 SURE WE WOULD BE TOTALLY FINE WITH CUTTING OFF LOUD MUSIC.
22:14:02 AGAIN OUTDOOR AREA IS 320 SQUARE FEET SO I DON'T KNOW HOW
22:14:05 MUCH --
22:14:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TONIGHT WE SEEM TO BE IN THE MODE OF
22:14:08 SAYING NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR NO AMPLIFIED ANYTHING AFTER
22:14:13 10 P.M., SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WOULD. THAT WORK?
22:14:16 >> I BELIEVE SO.
22:14:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.
22:14:21 YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL US AT SECOND READING IF IT DOESN'T WORK
22:14:24 AND WE'LL DEAL WITH IT THEN.
22:14:27 BUT YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT TONIGHT?
22:14:30 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
22:14:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.
22:14:33 COUNCILMAN GUDES.
22:14:35 COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:14:36 >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
22:14:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I NOTICE KNOW IT'S A GROCERY STORE BUT WILL
22:14:43 THERE BE ANY PREPARED FOOD AVAILABLE?
22:14:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU ARE GETTING HUNGRY?
22:14:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, I AM CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO
22:14:53 TURN INTO A DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT UNDER THE GUISE OF A
22:14:57 GROCERY STORE.
22:14:57 IS THERE GOING TO BE PREPARED FOOD?
22:14:59 >> I HAVE BEEN IN DUCK WEED BEFORE AND THEY HAVE SMOOTHIES
22:15:04 AND I THINK LITTLE SALADS.
22:15:05 I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT ALL THEY HAVE.
22:15:07 BUT THEY ARE GROCERY STORES.
22:15:09 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU.
22:15:14 I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT TURN INTO A DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT.
22:15:19 >> SURE, YEAH.
22:15:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. CITRO -- MOST OF THESE DON'T
22:15:26 HAVE HOT FOOD.
22:15:28 THEY HAVE SMALL THINGS LIKE 7-ELEVEN SO WE ARE JUST TRYING
22:15:32 TO MAKE SURE THE MIXED USES THAT WE DON'T HAVE
22:15:34 ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WILL BE HAVING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH
22:15:36 PARTIES AND THINGS OUTSIDE AND YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE
22:15:39 NEIGHBORS AND SO FORTH.
22:15:42 SO I GUESS HE'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE --
22:15:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: EXACTLY WHAT I STATED.
22:15:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MANASSE.
22:15:48 >>RYAN MANASSE: AND JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERN,
22:15:52 AND MAYBE I WILL ELABORATE ON WHAT JAIME ALLUDED TO, I JUST
22:15:56 WANT TO POINT OUT THE PRINCIPAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY, OR
22:15:58 THIS SUBJECT AREA, IS CONVENIENCE GOODS, RETAIL SALES, OKAY.
22:16:05 OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE FOR RETAIL SALES, BEING ABLE
22:16:09 TO HAVE SOME OCCUPANCY, BUT LIMITING THAT THEY ARE STILL
22:16:14 CONSIDERED RETAIL SALES. I WANT TO A SURE YOU THAT THE USE
22:16:17 FOR THE APPROVED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT THROUGH IS
22:16:20 FOR RETAIL SALES, CONVENIENCE GOOD.
22:16:22 AND I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER
22:16:28 ON THERE, BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT FOR
22:16:32 THE RECORD.
22:16:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
22:16:35 HOWEVER, THIS IS SERVING ALCOHOL FOR ON PREEMPTION
22:16:39 CONSUMPTION AND OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION.
22:16:42 SO AGAIN, I AM SURE THE DUCK WEED CAN CONTROL THEMSELVES AND
22:16:47 NOT HAVE OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED MUSIC, NOT GOING TO HAVE PARTYING
22:16:51 OUTSIDE, NOT GOING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE.
22:16:53 I JUST HAVE CONCERNS.
22:16:54 I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THESE PEOPLE WERE SITTING THERE EATING A
22:16:57 SANDWICH OR SOMETHING AT THESE TABLE TOPS THAT ARE OUTSIDE.
22:17:00 BUT IF IT'S JUST GOING TO BE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL, THEREIN
22:17:05 LIES A PROBLEM THAT I THINK MAY DEVELOP.
22:17:07 THANK YOU, MR. MANASSE.
22:17:08 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. VELEZ.
22:17:14 >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
22:17:16 I WANT TO CLARIFY.
22:17:17 I HEARD A REFERENCE TO NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC.
22:17:20 BUT YOU MEAN NO AMPLIFIED SOUND.
22:17:24 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE?
22:17:27 ALL RIGHT.
22:17:27 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY -- THERE'S NOBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR
22:17:31 PUBLIC COMMENT.
22:17:32 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY VIRTUAL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?
22:17:38 YES, WE DO.
22:17:38 MR. RAMIREZ, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
22:17:42 WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN.
22:17:42 [OATH ADMINISTERED]
22:17:48 >> YES, I WILL.
22:17:50 >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
22:17:53 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER INDICATES THE TWO POINTS I WANTED.
22:17:57 WE ARE VERY EXCITE BOARD OF DIRECTOR THIS COMING TO OUR
22:17:59 NEIGHBORHOOD.
22:17:59 I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE ARE IN SUPPORT
22:18:05 OF THIS PERMIT.
22:18:07 HOWEVER, WE JUST HAVE THOSE TWO CONDITIONS, THERE'S NO
22:18:10 AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER TEN AND NO SERVING ALCOHOL AFTER
22:18:14 MIDNIGHT.
22:18:14 NOW, WHETHER THE HOURS GO BEYOND THAT, WE ARE OKAY WITH
22:18:21 THAT.
22:18:21 WE JUST DON'T WANT THE SERVING OF ALCOHOL TO BE PAST
22:18:24 MIDNIGHT.
22:18:25 THAT IS ALL.
22:18:26 THANK YOU.
22:18:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:18:29 AND THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON WE HAD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
22:18:33 IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE?
22:18:35 MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
22:18:37 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
22:18:40 ALL IN FAVOR?
22:18:41 AYE.
22:18:42 COUNCILMAN, WOULD YOU MIND READING ITEM NUMBER 7?
22:18:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
22:18:48 I PUT MY STUFF AWAY BUT I WILL FIND IT AGAIN.
22:19:01 ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER AB 2-21-15.
22:19:06 MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING
22:19:10 CONSIDERS, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT S-2
22:19:13 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL CONVENIENCE DRAW
22:19:16 CONSUMPTION OFF PREMISES, PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES
22:19:21 CONSUMPTION MAKING THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT CERTAIN LOT,
22:19:26 PLOT OR BLOCK OF LAND AT 1701 WEST GRAY STREET, TAMPA,
22:19:30 FLORIDA MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2 PROVIDING
22:19:34 THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE
22:19:37 REPEALED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
22:19:38 >> SECOND.
22:19:41 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY, I HAD PUT SOME OF MY WORK
22:19:43 AWAY.
22:19:45 I AM LOOKING FOR THE REVISION SHEET SO I CAN PUT IN EXACTLY
22:19:49 WHAT I SAID IS FACTUAL.
22:19:52 I NEED SOME HELP.
22:19:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS HOURS UNTIL MIDNIGHT SEVEN DAYS
22:19:57 A WEEK.
22:19:58 AND NO AMPLIFIED SOUND.
22:20:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND THERE WAS ONE
22:20:05 OTHER ITEM THAT I HAVE TO READ FOR THE RECORD, AND I LOST
22:20:08 THAT SHEET.
22:20:09 >> NO AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 10 P.M.
22:20:21 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER MIDNIGHT,
22:20:23 CORRECT?
22:20:24 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, THAT WAS SALE OF ALCOHOL.
22:20:26 MR. MANASSE, CAN YOU STATE FOR THE RECORD AND MR. MIRANDA
22:20:30 CAN CORRECT.
22:20:33 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.
22:20:40 SO THE TWO STIPULATIONS THAT I HEARD FROM TONIGHT'S READING
22:20:43 WAS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT TO INCLUDE THEIR OPERATION TO
22:20:48 CLOSE AT 12 A.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND THEN ALSO A SECOND
22:20:54 NOTE TO BE ADDED WAS NO OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 10
22:20:58 P.M.
22:20:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
22:21:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND MR. RAMIREZ RECEIVED THE SAME LETTER
22:21:08 THAT I BELIEVE WE ALL RECEIVED THAT DID STATE THE 10 P.M.
22:21:11 CLOSING.
22:21:12 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
22:21:14 SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.
22:21:16 ROLL CALL VOTE.
22:21:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.
22:21:19 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
22:21:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.
22:21:22 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.
22:21:23 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.
22:21:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
22:21:28 >> YES.
22:21:29 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO VOTING NO.
22:21:32 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON MAY 20th AT
22:21:35 9:30 A.M.
22:21:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
22:21:37 THAT CONCLUDES -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:21:39 THAT CONCLUDE THE AGENDA.
22:21:41 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS, SIR?
22:21:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ONLY NEW BUSINESS I HAVE IS TO
22:21:46 RECEIVE AND FILE.
22:21:48 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
22:21:50 VERY GOOD.
22:21:51 BUT NOT YET, NOT YET.
22:21:53 COUNCILMAN VIERA, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS?
22:21:56 NO?
22:21:57 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:21:58 COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
22:21:59 >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD REAL FAST.
22:22:04 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
22:22:07 I HAD SEVERAL RESTAURANT, HOTEL ESTABLISHMENT PEOPLE TELL ME
22:22:09 IN THE LAST WEEK THAT THEY ARE HAVING A TERRIBLE TIME HIRING
22:22:12 STAFF, AND IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
22:22:17 MOTION THAT COUNCIL RECOMMEND TO STAFF THAT THEY LOOK INTO
22:22:20 THE POSSIBILITY OF HOLDING A CAREER FAIR TO HELP THE
22:22:23 HOSPITALITY BUSINESSES FIND MUCH NEEDED WORKERS TO FILL THE
22:22:26 OPEN POSITIONS.
22:22:27 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]
22:22:43 >>BILL CARLSON: TURN YOUR MAKE ON.
22:22:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: FOR MY SISTERS WHO ARE RESTAURANT
22:22:49 MANAGERS, DON'T WANT TO WORK --
22:23:01 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHAT -- THESE BUSINESSES WENT FROM
22:23:05 LETTING PEOPLE GO AND PUT ON NEWER LOW TO NOW DESPERATELY
22:23:09 TRYING TO HIRE THEM BACK.
22:23:10 IT'S JUST AN IDEA OR RECOMMENDATION.
22:23:12 IF YOU THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA --
22:23:16 MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
22:23:17 IS THERE A SECOND?
22:23:19 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:23:21 ALL IN FAVOR?
22:23:22 AYE.
22:23:22 ALL RIGHT.
22:23:23 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING CHAIR
22:23:26 AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FINAL --
22:23:29 >>> MY RETIREMENT?
22:23:30 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
22:23:32 ALL RIGHT.
22:23:33 COUNSEL MEMBER GUDES, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR? COUNCILMAN
22:23:36 CITRO?
22:23:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOTHING.
22:23:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?
22:23:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ON A SOMBER NOTE JUST WANTED TO REMAINED
22:23:45 EVERYBODY THAT NEXT TUESDAY EVENING OVER AT OXFORD EXCHANGE
22:23:48 WILL BE MEMORIALIZING AND CELEBRATING OF THE LIFE OF JIM
22:23:53 RAYS.
22:23:53 SO FOR ANYBODY OUT THERE WHO KNEW COACH REESE, YOU ARE MORE
22:23:59 THAN WELCOME TO JOIN US AT OXFORD CHANGE.
22:24:03 DO YOU RECALL THE TIME, BILL?
22:24:05 SEVEN?
22:24:06 HOLD ON.
22:24:06 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
22:24:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, JOE.
22:24:14 >>BILL CARLSON: ELAINE SHIMBERG PASSED AWAY, AND THANK HER
22:24:20 TO ALL THE GREAT THINGS SHE DID IN THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY
22:24:23 FOR ARTS.
22:24:24 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, MRS. SHIMBERG WAS A FANTASTIC
22:24:27 PERSON IN THIS COMMUNITY.
22:24:28 JIM REESE' WAKE IS AT 6:30 AT OXFORD EXCHANGE NEXT TUESDAY
22:24:33 EVENING.
22:24:33 >> YOU SAID SEVEN LAST WEEK.
22:24:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I STAND CORRECTED.
22:24:42 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
22:24:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
22:24:47 CAN I GET A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE?
22:24:50 MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES.
22:24:53 SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CITRO.
22:24:55 ALL IN FAVOR?
22:24:57 YAY.
22:24:57 WE ARE ADJOURNED.
22:24:59 (COUNCIL MEETING ADJOURNED)
22:25:59
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