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TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, MAY 6, 2021
9:00 A.M.

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(TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN PROGRESS)

>>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

>>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

>>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

>>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

>>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

>>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE CITY

COUNCIL ATTORNEY MARTIN SHELBY FOR A FEW COMMENTS.

>>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK.

GOOD MORNING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 6th OF 2021 AND HERE AT OLD CITY

HALL AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

AND THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD DURING THE CONTINUING STATE

OF EMERGENCY CAUSED BY THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC BEING CONDUCTED




AS YOU HEARD WITH A LIVE IN PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY

COUNCIL PRESENT IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

HOWEVER, IN RESPONSE TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, MEMBERS OF

THE PUBLIC ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH

VIDEO TELECONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA STATUTES AND

RULES A COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT.

THESE MEETINGS ARE BEING HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE

EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURE AS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION

2020-225 AND AS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION 2020-490 AND 2021-241.

THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO

WATCH, LISTEN AND VIEW THIS MEETING ON SPECTRUM CHANNEL 640,

FRONTIER CHANNEL 15, AND LIVESTREAM OTHER INTERNET AT

TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM.

NOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY

BY ALTERNATIVE METHODS INCLUDING SENDING WRITTEN COMMENTS BY

INTERNET OR WEB, BY E-MAIL, BY U.S. MAIL, AND ALSO SPEAKING

REMOTELY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THE USE OF CMT, AND THAT

REQUIRES PREREGISTRATION.

ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE

INSTRUCTIONS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITY COUNCIL, ONE WORD.

ALSO, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE USING

CMT, WHICH IS AVAILABLE AT OLD CITY HALL.

THEY HAVE THAT OPTION.

AND THAT IS MADE AVAILABLE DURING THE MEETING ON THE 2nd

FLOOR OF OLD CITY HALL AT 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARD




ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND PLEASE NOTE THAT USE OF MASKS AND

SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED.

NOW, TO PARTICIPANT REMOTELY IN LAND USE HEARINGS, AN

ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE HEARINGS, THERE ARE SECOND READINGS ON

THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, PREREGISTRATION HAS BEEN REQUIRED AND

AGAIN THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, AS I

SAID, ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEBSITE.

OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN COME IN IN PERSON AND PARTICIPANT ON THE

SECOND FLOOR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO A PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HEARD WHEN IT

APPEARS ON THE AGENDA, AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED

TIMELY BY MAIL, E-MAIL, WEB, OR VIA CMT WILL BE AFFORDED

EQUAL CONSIDERATION AS IF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE

IN PERSON.

ONE FINAL COMMENT, PLEASE, TO THE PUBLIC.

IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING THROUGH THE GO-TO MEETING PLATFORM,

PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT THE CHAT FUNCTION IS NOT TO BE USED

BY THE PUBLIC TO COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CLERK.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: GOOD MORNING AGAIN, HONORABLE

COUNCIL.

SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA.

WE WILL NOW CONDUCT THE ELECTION FOR CHAIRMAN AND CHAIRMAN

PRO TEM FOR THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.




HERE ARE THE ELECTION GUIDELINES.

THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIRMAN WILL BE HELD FIRST.

NOMINATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE A SECOND.

PLEASE WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED BEFORE NOMINATING A CANDIDATE.

I WILL OPEN THE NOMINATIONS AND CLOSE THEM AFTER ALL

NOMINATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

VOTES WILL BE COUNTED BY RAISING THE HAND.

THE VOTE WILL BE TAKEN IN THE ORDER OF THE NOMINATION

BEGINNING WITH THE FIRST NAMED NOMINATED.

THE VOTE WILL CEASE AS SOON AS THERE IS A MAJORITY, WHICH

REQUIRES FOUR VOTES.

HAVING SAID THAT, NOMINATIONS ARE NOW IN ORDER FOR CHAIRMAN.

>> I NOMINATE ORLANDO GUDES AS CHAIR OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. GUDES HAS BEEN NOMINATED.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

ALL IN FAVOR -- WE WILL CLOSE IT ON MR. GUDES.

ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. GUDES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK, I'M SORRY, MARTIN SHELBY

SPEAKING TO YOU FROM BEHIND YOUR BACK.

I APOLOGIZE.

IF YOU WISH FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS A ROLL CALL VOTE, I

WOULD APPRECIATE, THIS BEING THE CIRCUMSTANCES DURING THE

PANDEMIC IF YOU DON'T MIND.




AND THEN YOU CAN ANNOUNCE THE VOTE, PLEASE.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: OKAY.

>>LUIS VIERA:

>>LUIS VIERA: YES.

>>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

>>BILL CARLSON: YES.

>>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

>>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: THANK YOU.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS?

>>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MS. FOXX-KNOWLES, AGAIN, YOU HAVE

DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING THESE MEETINGS THE PAST FEW YEARS,

GOING ON MY THIRD YEAR.

I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING YOU AND THE LADIES HAVE DONE IN

YOUR OFFICE.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS HONOR.

I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS.

BEING CHAIRMAN, I HAVE BEEN GUILTY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,

BUT I'M GLAD MY COLLEAGUES -- TRY TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM

GOING.

MR. MANISCALCO HAS DONE A GREAT JOB THIS PAST YEAR DURING

THE COVID.

HE SHOWED GREAT LEADERSHIP FOR THIS COUNCIL. I WANT TO MAKE




SURE WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND HAVE A COHESIVE GROUP WITH

THIS COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND THE ADMINISTRATION.

SO THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NOMINATIONS ARE NOW IN ORDER FOR CHAIRMAN PRO TEM.

IS THERE A NOMINATION?

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER HAS BEEN

NOMINATED.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

MR. CITRO HAS BEEN NOMINATED.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

OKAY.

WE WILL CLOSE IT ON MR. DINGFELDER AND MR. CITRO.

ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. DINGFELDER -- OH, ROLL CALL.

>>THE CLERK: FOR DINGFELDER, VIERA.

>>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

>>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

>>BILL CARLSON: YES.

>>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL MAKE IT UNANIMOUS WITH THE

EXCEPTION OF ONE VOTE, YES.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

>> YES.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. DINGFELDER WORKS YOU LIKE TO




SAY A FEW WORDS?

>>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I AM HUMBLED BY YOUR VOTE.

I APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH.

I WILL BE THERE WITH CHAIRMAN GUDES' BACKUP WHENEVER HE

NEEDS ME, AND AGAIN IT'S MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE OUR

COMMUNITY AND SERVE WITH YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: GREAT.

THANK YOU.

NOMINATIONS ARE NOW IN ORDER FOR CRA CHAIR.

THE ELECTION GUIDELINES REMAIN THE SAME. IS THERE A

NOMINATION?

>> JOSEPH.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. CITRO HAS BEEN NOMINATED.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

YES, SIR?

>> I NOMINATE ORLANDO GUDES.

>>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO DECLINE THAT NOMINATION.

I BELIEVE EVERYONE NEEDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RUN FOR THE

CHAIRMANSHIP OF THAT BOARD.

I FEEL THAT ALL THE CRAs FALL IN DISTRICT 35 SO IT DOESN'T

MATTER, I STILL OWN DISTRICT 5 AND MAKE DECISIONS FOR

DISTRICT 5 SO I AM HAPPY TO DECLINE THAT.

AGAIN, THANK YOU MY FRIEND, MR. DINGFELDER, FOR NOMINATING

ME, SIR.




>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?

OH, YOU HAVE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. CARLSON HAS BEEN NOMINATED.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

WE WILL CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS ON MR. CITRO AND MR. CARLSON.

WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL FOR MR. CITRO?

>>THE CLERK: FOR CITRO, GUDES?

>>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

>>JOHN DINGFELDER: [OFF MICROPHONE]

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS FOR CITRO?

NO.

>>BILL CARLSON: SINCE MY NAME IS ON IT, I GUESS I HAVE TO

SAY NO.

>>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

>>LUIS VIERA: TIE BREAKER SAYS RESPECTFULLY YES.

>>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A 4-3 VOTE FOR CITRO.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. CITRO, DO YOU HAVE ANY WORDS?

>>JOSEPH CITRO: [OFF MICROPHONE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: AND NOW FOR THE VICE CHAIR OF THE

CRA.




IS THERE A NOMINATION?

YES, MR. DINGFELDER?

>>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. CARLSON HAS BEEN NOMINATED.

IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION?

WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL?

>>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

>>BILL CARLSON: YES.

>>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

>>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

>>LUIS VIERA: RESPECTFULLY, YES.

ALL MY VOTES ARE RESPECTFULLY TODAY.

>>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

>>THE CLERK: A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

>> LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH CHAIR CITRO AND THE REST OF

YOU ON THAT IMPORTANT ENDEAVOR.

THANK YOU.

>>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND

CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE.

[ APPLAUSE ]

I TURN THE MEETING OVER TO THE NEW CHAIR.

>>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU DON'T MIND, GENTLEMEN, TAKE A

FIVE-MINUTE RECESS FOR MR. SHELBY AND THE DEPUTY CLERK IN

THE CONFERENCE ROOM TO KIND OF BRIEF OVER THE AGENDA.




(CITY COUNCIL RECESS).

10:50:25

10:50:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

10:50:26 WE DON'T HAVE AN INVOCATION SO JUST A MOMENT OF SILENCE,

10:50:28 PLEASE.

10:50:28 (MOMENT OF SILENCE)

10:50:29 LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

10:50:30 [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ]

10:50:31

10:50:31 >> ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

10:50:32 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

10:50:32 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

10:50:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

10:50:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE.

10:50:33 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.

10:50:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

10:50:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

10:50:34 THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

10:50:35 MOTION FOR THE MINUTES AND THE AGENDA?

10:50:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BEFORE WE DO THAT, MAY I HAVE A MOMENT

10:50:37 OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE?

10:50:37 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:50:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF I COULD HAVE MR. MANISCALCO HERE.

10:50:39 AND WHERE IS LISA?

10:50:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHE'S BEHIND YOU, SIR.




10:50:41 COME ON DOWN, MS. LISA.

10:50:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE THIS MORNING.

10:50:43 I AM GOING TO MAKE AN OFF-AGENDA MOTION FOR COMMENDATION TO

10:50:44 OUR FORMER CHAIRMAN, GUIDO MANISCALCO, AND I WILL LOOK FOR A

10:50:46 SECOND RIGHT NOW.

10:50:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SECOND.

10:50:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECOND BY MR.

10:50:47 MIRANDA.

10:50:48 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:50:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GUIDO, COME ON DOWN.

10:50:49 MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,

10:50:50 WE RECOGNIZE OUR FELLOW COUNCILMEMBER, FORMER CHAIRMAN,

10:50:51 GUIDO MANISCALCO FOR HIS EXCEPTIONAL DEDICATION AND

10:50:52 LEADERSHIP SERVING AS OUR CHAIRMAN DURING THE 20-21 TERM.

10:50:54 WITH THE PANDEMIC TAKING CENTER STAGE DURING HIS TENURE

10:50:55 GUIDO LEADERSHIP WAS ON DISPLAY FROM CITY COUNCIL'S MOVE TO

10:50:57 THE CONVENTION CENTER AND BACK TO OLD CITY HALL WITH A

10:50:58 MODIFIED PLAN, THIS YEAR WAS ANYTHING BUT NORMAL.

10:50:59 CHAIRMAN GUIDO MANISCALCO WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF

10:51:00 DUTY CONTINUALLY DISPLAYING HIS CALM DEMEANOR DURING THESE

10:51:02 VERY STRESSFUL TIMES.

10:51:02 THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHEN UNPRECEDENTED POLICIES AND

10:51:03 PROCEDURES HAD TO BE IMPLEMENTED, MOST AT THE VERY LAST

10:51:05 MINUTE, GUIDO ALWAYS REMAINED COMPOSED AND BROUGHT HIS WIT

10:51:06 AND SENSE OF HUMOR TO THE OCCASION.




10:51:07 IT'S WITH GRATITUDE AND APPRECIATION THAT WE MEMBERS OF

10:51:08 TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENT OUR 20-21 CHAIRMAN GUIDO

10:51:09 MANISCALCO WITH THIS COMMENDATION AND THANK HIM FOR A JOB

10:51:10 WELL DONE.

10:51:10 [ APPLAUSE ]

10:51:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:51:11 THANK YOU.

10:51:11 THIS IS COMPLETELY RANDOM.

10:51:12 I APPRECIATE IT.

10:51:12 FOR THE RECORD, GUIDO MANISCALCO, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL,

10:51:13 DISTRICT 6.

10:51:13 >> ARE YOU A RESIDENT?

10:51:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR.

10:51:14 CITY OF TAMPA.

10:51:15 THIS IS TOTALLY -- UNNECESSARY, BUT I APPRECIATE IT, MY OWN

10:51:16 COMMENDATION BUT I WILL TAKE THIS MOMENT TO CONGRATULATE

10:51:17 CHAIRMAN GUDES.

10:51:18 I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK IN THIS NEW YEAR.

10:51:19 I HOPE IT'S EASIER.

10:51:20 YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS LAST YEAR WITH

10:51:21 EVERYTHING.

10:51:21 BUT I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.

10:51:22 BEST OF LUCK.

10:51:22 I KNOW YOU SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY WELL.

10:51:23 YOU ARE A FIRST ADVOCATE AND YOU STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT




10:51:25 AND YOU ARE NOT SCARED TO STAND UP FOR THE COMMUNITY IN

10:51:26 GENERAL.

10:51:26 SO I APPRECIATE IT.

10:51:26 MORE IMPORTANTLY, MY AIDE LISA, AND ANY OPPORTUNITY I GET

10:51:28 HERE OR OUTSIDE, I AM ALWAYS PRAISING HER.

10:51:29 YOU KNOW, SHE'S BEEN -- I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE WORDS.

10:51:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE LISA

10:51:31 EDWARDS A COMMENDATION.

10:51:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

10:51:32 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:51:33 OPPOSED?

10:51:33 ALL RIGHT.

10:51:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO IT IS WITH GREAT APPRECIATION FROM

10:51:34 THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WE HONOR YOU TODAY FOR YOUR

10:51:35 OUTSTANDING SERVICE DURING THE 20-21 TERM AS LEGISLATIVE

10:51:36 AIDE TO MYSELF AS CHAIR BUT TO THIS ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL

10:51:37 DEPARTMENT SERVING AS THE AIDE, YOU HAVE NAVIGATED THROUGH

10:51:38 THE COURSE OF THE UNIQUE AND CHALLENGING YEAR WITH A

10:51:40 PROFESSIONAL AND APPROACHABLE MANNER, WITH PANDEMIC CONCERNS

10:51:41 AT THE FOREFRONT, YOU ALWAYS RESPONDED QUICKLY TO LAST

10:51:42 MINUTE ISSUES AND ENCOUNTERS AND WHEN THE PUBLIC RETURNED IN

10:51:43 PERSON AT COUNCIL MEETINGS YOU SKILLFULLY HANDLED THE GROUP

10:51:44 IN SUCH A WAY THAT MADE THE PROCESS SMOOTH AND EFFICIENCY

10:51:46 ALL WHILE REMAINING APPROACHABLE AND RESPONSIVE TO

10:51:47 EVERYONE'S NEEDS.




10:51:47 IT IS WITH GREAT GRATITUDE AND THANKS TO THE TAMPA CITY

10:51:48 COUNCIL PRESENTS YOU WITH THIS COMMENDATION FOR YOUR

10:51:49 EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE AND DEDICATION TO ALL OF US AND THE

10:51:50 CITIZENS OF TAMPA.

10:51:51 [ APPLAUSE ]

10:51:51 >> LISA EDWARDS: WOW, THIS IS VERY UNEXPECTED AS WELL.

10:51:53 BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE SERVING

10:51:54 CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO DURING THIS TIME AND ALSO ALL OF YOU

10:51:55 COUNCILMEN AS WELL.

10:51:56 I LEARNED A LOT THIS YEAR, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT

10:51:57 THAT WAS GIVEN TO OUR OFFICE OVER THIS TIME.

10:51:58 SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS.

10:51:59 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE

10:52:00 WORK BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR.

10:52:00 THANK GOD YOU DIDN'T USE THE ELEVATOR.

10:52:01 YOU WOULD HAVE WORN IT OUT.

10:52:02 BUT YOU DID A MARVELOUS JOB, AND JUST THE DIFFERENT AREAS

10:52:04 THAT WERE TOTALLY NEW TO ALL OF US.

10:52:05 WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:52:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:52:05 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

10:52:06 LISA, CONGRATULATIONS.

10:52:06 YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK ABOUT YOU.

10:52:07 I THINK YOU ARE A WONDERFUL LADY, AND JUST A REALLY GOD

10:52:08 PERSON WITH A REALLY SWEETHEART, OBVIOUSLY.




10:52:09 AND FOR FORMER CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO, OBVIOUSLY A FINE

10:52:10 GENTLEMAN WITH A VERY KIND HEART.

10:52:11 YOU KNOW THAT I THINK HERE, CHARLIE AND I HAVE BEEN CHAIR,

10:52:12 OBVIOUSLY GUDES AND OTHERS, WILL BE CHAIRING IN THE FUTURE,

10:52:13 I'M SURE.

10:52:14 IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING A

10:52:15 MEETING AND EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT YOU, AND YOU NEED TO

10:52:16 SOMETIMES HAVE THOSE UNCOMFORTABLE MOMENTS THAT MAYBE YOU

10:52:17 SHOULDN'T HAVE AND THE HEAT IS TOTALLY ON YOU, AND YOU HAVE

10:52:19 DONE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, SO OBVIOUSLY WE ABSOLUTE YOU FOR

10:52:20 THAT.

10:52:20 AND SOMETIMES FOR GUYS ACTUALLY LIKE YOU AND ME, BEING CHAIR

10:52:21 IS A LITTLE BIT HARD.

10:52:22 NOW WHY?

10:52:22 BECAUSE WE ARE NICE GUYS, RIGHT?

10:52:23 WE ARE MR. ROGERS, YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING?

10:52:24 SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE REALLY HARD BUT YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT

10:52:25 JOB, AND I WON IT ON PRINCIPAL TO UNANIMOUS NIGHT YOU AND I

10:52:27 WANT YOU TO BE CHAIR BECAUSE I THINK YOU DO A GOOD JOB.

10:52:28 YOU HAVE BEEN HERE AND YOU FULFILLED THE ROLE WELL SO THANK

10:52:29 YOU FOR THAT.

10:52:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

10:52:30 FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF BOTH OF YOU ALL

10:52:32 WITH YOUR COMMENDATIONS WITH ALL THESE SNEEZE GUARDS AROUND

10:52:33 HERE SO WE CAN DO THAT A LITTLE LATER OBJECT.




10:52:34 SECOND OF ALL, GUIDO, I AM GOING TO CALL YOU GUIDO, NOT MR.

10:52:36 CHAIR.

10:52:36 WHEN YOU FIRST TOOK ON THIS ROLE, I LOOKED AT YOU AND I

10:52:38 SAID, ARE YOU READY FOR THIS?

10:52:38 AND YOU SAID THE BEST WORDS EVER, THIS IS GOING TO BE

10:52:40 HISTORY.

10:52:40 WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING HISTORY IN THE PREDICAMENT WE ARE

10:52:41 IN.

10:52:41 I THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO MAKE HISTORY WITH YOU.

10:52:43 LISA, YOU HAVE DONE THE BEST JOB IN MAKING HISTORY.

10:52:44 I THANK YOU BOTH.

10:52:44 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU BOTH.

10:52:45 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

10:52:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.

10:52:46 >>BILL CARLSON: YES, PLEASE.

10:52:46 THANK YOU, GUIDO, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP OVER THE LAST YEAR

10:52:48 DURING THESE VERY DIFFICULT TIMES, AND FOR ALWAYS BEING FAIR

10:52:49 AND MAKING SURE THE PUBLIC WAS LISTENED TO.

10:52:50 I COULD GO ON AND ON.

10:52:51 BUT LISA, LEGISLATIVE AIDES ARE REALLY STRESSED OUT IN THIS

10:52:52 ROLE, AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THEM.

10:52:53 BUT YOU REALLY STEPPED UP DURING TWO DIFFICULT TIMES.

10:52:54 YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE COVID SITUATION WHICH YOU RAN UP AND

10:52:55 DOWNSTAIRS, YOU HAD TO SET UP ALL THE FACILITIES AT THE

10:52:56 CONVENTION CENTER, ALSO WITH THE EVENTS OF LAST SUMMER WE




10:52:58 HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED THEIR OPINIONS TO BE

10:52:59 EXPRESSED, AND ALSO WE HAVE THAT HERE, AND I THINK YOU DID A

10:53:01 GREAT JOB WORKING WITH THE COVID AND ALSO MAKING SURE PEOPLE

10:53:02 WERE ABLE TO SPEAK.

10:53:03 SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

10:53:04 I KNOW THIS ROLE IS NEW IN YOUR CAREER AND YOU HAVE DONE AN

10:53:05 OUTSTANDING JOB.

10:53:06 THANK YOU.

10:53:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW

10:53:07 WORDS, SIR?

10:53:08 I NOW WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CHAIR AND LEGISLATIVE AIDE ALL

10:53:09 THE TIME.

10:53:09 SO I KNOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SO I WILL GIVE YOU

10:53:10 THAT OPPORTUNITY.

10:53:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:53:11 THERE'S REALLY NOTHING MORE I CAN ADD.

10:53:12 IT'S JUST BEEN A TREMENDOUS HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE

10:53:13 CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO AND EVERYBODY HAS SPOKEN QUITE

10:53:14 ELOQUENTLY AS TO THE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE BEEN FACED BE, AND

10:53:15 QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA

10:53:16 REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING ALL THE

10:53:17 PEOPLE THAT LISA WORKED WITH IN THE ADMINISTRATION, TOGETHER

10:53:18 COOPERATIVELY, AS A TEAM TO MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPEN.

10:53:20 A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENE DID A LOT OF WORK IN

10:53:21 UNPRECEDENTED TIMES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK FOR




10:53:22 THEM ON THEIR BEHALF.

10:53:23 SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY VERY MUCH ALWAYS, IT IS AN HONOR AND

10:53:24 A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE THE CITY COUNCIL, AND PARTICULARLY THE

10:53:25 CHAIR, AND PARTICULARLY THIS YEAR.

10:53:26 AGAIN, MY SINCERE THANKS TO LISA EDWARD.

10:53:27 SHE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB, AND SHE DESERVES ALL THE

10:53:28 ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND CREDIT.

10:53:29 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL.

10:53:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA.

10:53:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GUIDO, MS. EDWARDS, I AM SURE YOU ARE

10:53:31 GOING TO -- YOUR AIDE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB LIKE YOU HAVE, SO

10:53:33 I AM GOING TO DO IT IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE AND THEN YOU CAN DO

10:53:34 IT IN ITALIAN AND WE'LL HAVE IN THE THREE LANGUAGES.

10:53:35 (SPEAKING SPANISH)

10:53:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT WAS BUT --

10:53:37 >> I WILL TRANSLATE IT REAL QUICK.

10:53:37 GUIDO, YOU ARE MY FAVORITE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BESIDES

10:53:38 MYSELF, AND BESIDES CHARLIE MIRANDA, GUIDO MANISCALCO.

10:53:39 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS THAT WHAT I SAID?

10:53:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.

10:53:41 I WILL TRANSLATE FOR YOU LATER.

10:53:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LISA, ALWAYS SMILING.

10:53:42 ALWAYS SMILING.

10:53:43 TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

10:53:43 GUIDO, YOU HAVE HAD A HELL OF A YEAR, KEPT US TOGETHER.




10:53:45 WE ARE MOST APPRECIATIVE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

10:53:46 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU BOTH.

10:53:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:53:47 THANK YOU.

10:53:47 THANK YOU.

10:53:47 [ APPLAUSE ]

10:53:47 WE WILL GO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

10:53:48 I KNOW WE HAVE A WALK-ON FOR OUR YOUTH.

10:53:49 THEN WE HAVE A CONTINUATION, NUMBER , MR. CARLSON IS

10:53:51 REQUESTING.

10:53:51 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD RECEIVE AND FILE

10:53:52 NUMBER 76.

10:53:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 76.

10:53:53 >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES

10:53:54 THAT HAD TO DO WITH QRGTI, THAT'S THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

10:53:55 AND INCENTIVE PROGRAM BY THE STATE.

10:53:56 INSTEAD OF PULLING THEM, I ASKED ROB ROSNER IF COULD YOU

10:53:57 QUICKLY MAKE A FEW STATEMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO CONSENT AGENDA

10:53:59 SO HE CAN JUST EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ARE APPROVING.

10:54:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHICH ITEM WAS THAT, SIR?

10:54:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DON'T WE HONOR THEM -- EXCUSE ME.

10:54:02 >> WE CAN DO THAT.

10:54:02 >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S 31 AND 32.

10:54:03 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE

10:54:05 CONTINUANCE AS FAR AS ROUTINE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN HANGING ON




10:54:06 FOR AT LEAST TWO OR THREE WEEKS NOW,

10:54:07 AND WE KICK THE CAN SO MUCH AND IT MAKES NO NOISE ANYMORE.

10:54:08 SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO AN END SOMEHOW.

10:54:10 MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION OR FIND OUT WHAT THEY

10:54:11 ARE DOING REGARDING THIS, OR MAYBE NOT.

10:54:12 BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND SOME CLOSURE TO THIS THING.

10:54:13 THE PUBLIC ON BOTH SIDES ARE CALLING US DAILY, AND ALL OF US

10:54:14 HAVE RECEIVED THOSE CALLS, AND I HAVE NOT MET WITH EITHER

10:54:16 ONE, AND I JUST WANT TO SOMEHOW FINALIZE THIS.

10:54:17 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.

10:54:18 THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON TOO LONG.

10:54:19 WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

10:54:20 NUMBER 8.

10:54:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, SINCE WE HAVE DISCUSSION TO BE

10:54:21 HAD ON NUMBER 8, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHEN WE GET TO 8,

10:54:23 IF THAT'S THE CASE, MAKE A MOTION, WE ARE GOING TO END THIS,

10:54:24 OR CONTINUE THIS, OR CONTINUE DISCUSSION.

10:54:25 >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT?

10:54:26 TWO NEW PIECES OF INFORMATION POPPED UP THIS WEEK.

10:54:27 ONE IS THAT ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE

10:54:28 PEOPLE SAID THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THE MAYOR SAID THIS

10:54:29 WEEK, OR COMMENTS CERTAINLY THIS WEEK, THE MAYOR IS AGAINST

10:54:31 IT, AND I LEARNED YESTERDAY THAT THE MAYOR HAS A MEETING

10:54:32 WITH STAFF AND THE SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ON

10:54:33 FRIDAY, THAT I LEARNED ABOUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS.




10:54:34 SO I PRESUME THAT THAT IS TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION.

10:54:35 WHAT THE SOUTH OF GANDY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS

10:54:36 FIND A SOLUTION FOR SOUTH OF GANDY, NOT CITY-WIDE.

10:54:38 ALTHOUGH I THINK THEY WOULD ASK US TO VOTE FOR THIS, THE

10:54:39 PROBLEM IS THAT THEY DID NOT ASK US FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT

10:54:40 SOUTH OF GANDY, AND EVERY EXPERT I TALK TO SAID THERE ARE

10:54:41 SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED YET.

10:54:42 AND SINCE THE MAYOR IS LEADING WITH THE SOUTH OF GANDY

10:54:44 LEADERS ON FRIDAY ANYWAY, I WAS NOT INVITED TO THAT MEETING,

10:54:45 BY THE WAY, BY ANYBODY, BUT THERE IS A MEETING ON FRIDAY,

10:54:46 AND I PRESUME THAT THEY WILL BE COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION

10:54:48 THAT THEY WILL BE PRESENTING TO US, SO WHY WOULD WE APPROVE

10:54:49 A SOLUTION WHEN THEY ARE WORKING ON A BETTER ONE?

10:54:50 THANK YOU.

10:54:50 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT IS IT

10:54:51 COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO HOLD DISCUSSION RATHER THAN CUT IT

10:54:52 SHORT FOR THE PURPOSES OF GETTING TO THE ATU, IF YOU CAN

10:54:54 WAIT TO ITEM 8?

10:54:54 OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE TO INVEST THE TIME NOW TO HEAR THE --

10:54:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WAIT FOR NUMBER 8 AND THEN THE MAYOR IS

10:54:57 HAVING A MEETING, MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT.

10:54:58 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO ANY OTHER CHANGES,

10:54:59 ADDITIONS, SUBSTITUTIONS --

10:54:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY IN REFERENCE TO THE STAFF REPORTS,

10:55:00 RELEASE ANYBODY, HAVE THE GENTLEMAN GO THROUGH THE LIST OF




10:55:01 69 AND 78?

10:55:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH REGARD TO THE STAFF

10:55:03 REPORTS AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS, ANY CONFERENCE WITH THE

10:55:04 CHIEF OF STAFF, HE DOES ASK COUNCIL TO REVIEW THOSE ITEMS,

10:55:05 NUMBER 69 TODAY THROUGH 78, TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY THAT DO

10:55:07 REQUIRE STAFF TO BE PRESENT, AND IF THE REPORTS ARE

10:55:08 SUFFICIENT, TO RELEASE THE ADMINISTRATION STAFF MEMBERS SO

10:55:09 THEY CAN GET BACK TO THEIR DAY JOB, AND OTHERWISE, IF THERE

10:55:10 ARE THINGS THAT COUNCIL DOES WISH TO HAVE STAFF APPEAR ON,

10:55:11 TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE ADMINISTRATION ON NOTICE, SO THE STAFF

10:55:13 REPORT AT 1:30, THEY WILL BE STANDING BY.

10:55:14 >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE OUGHT TO RECEIVE AND FILE NUMBER

10:55:15 76.

10:55:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

10:55:16 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:55:16 ANY DISCUSSION?

10:55:17 MOTION PASSES.

10:55:17 >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER CAN GO FIRST.

10:55:18 YOU KNOW WHAT, I GUESS I WILL GO FIRST.

10:55:19 FOR 75 I DON'T NEED ANYBODY HERE.

10:55:20 WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T NEED ANYONE HERE FOR THAT.

10:55:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 75.

10:55:22 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:55:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S ON NUMBER 75.

10:55:23 THANK YOU.




10:55:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO ITEM NUMBER 70, WE STARTED

10:55:25 A CONVERSATION THIS WEEK.

10:55:25 I APPRECIATE HER TIME.

10:55:26 I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO COMPLETELY GET BACK TO HER, SO I

10:55:27 WOULD ASK FOR A ONE-MONTH CONTINUANCE ON ITEM NUMBER 70, AND

10:55:29 HOPEFULLY WE CAN WRAP THAT UP AND BRING THE ORDINANCE TO

10:55:30 COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.

10:55:30 >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

10:55:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. VIERA.

10:55:31 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.

10:55:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

10:55:32 THE DATE THEN WOULD BE JUNE 3rd AT STAFF REPORTS AND

10:55:34 UNFINISHED BUSINESS?

10:55:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.

10:55:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. DINGFELDER.

10:55:35 I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT TO A CLOSE.

10:55:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND A VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE, SIR.

10:55:37 >> MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.

10:55:38 I THINK IT WAS SECONDED BY MR. VIERA.

10:55:39 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:55:39 ITEM NUMBER 70.

10:55:40 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:55:40 ANY OPPOSED?

10:55:40 MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

10:55:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THE OTHER ITEM IS ITEM 18.




10:55:42 I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BRINGING THIS FORWARD BY MEMO YESTERDAY.

10:55:43 I WOULD LIKE TO CARRY THIS OVER FOR TWO WEEKS TO HAVE A

10:55:44 CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM WITH STAFF.

10:55:45 I DON'T NEED A LOT OF TIME BUT I DO NEED TO GO OFFLINE WITH

10:55:47 THEM ON ITEM 18.

10:55:47 SO I MOVE TO CONTINUE THAT FOR TWO WEEKS.

10:55:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, THAT BEING ON THE

10:55:49 CONSENT DOCKET, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF THE STAFF IS

10:55:51 AVAILABLE, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT THEY NEED TO COMMENT TO

10:55:52 BRING TO STAFF'S ATTENTION BEFORE THERE IS A MOTION VOTED

10:55:53 ON, TO GET STAFF INPUT WITH REGARD TO THAT ITEM.

10:55:54 ULTIMATELY IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION, OF COURSE.

10:55:55 BUT A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TIME

10:55:57 SENSITIVE BUT NORM LIP AS A COURTESY.

10:55:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOW ABOUT A DIFFERENT ROUTE?

10:55:58 WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE IT FOR NOW, AND IF THEY HAVE CONCERN

10:56:00 WITH THAT, THEY CAN LET ME KNOW AND I WILL BRING IT BACK

10:56:01 LATER IN THE MEETING.

10:56:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN THE MOTION WOULD BE THEN TO CONTINUE

10:56:02 IT FOR --

10:56:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: TWO WEEKS.

10:56:03 >>THE CLERK: MAY 20th.

10:56:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION MADE BY MR. DINGFELDER.

10:56:04 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

10:56:05 >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ANYTHING BEFORE ATU.




10:56:06 I KNOW THEY ARE WAITING FOR US.

10:56:07 MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THIS, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A

10:56:08 CONTINUANCE.

10:56:09 I'M SURE.

10:56:09 I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING FROM STAFF.

10:56:10 I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

10:56:11 IS THERE ANY WAY, MR. SHELBY, THAT WE CAN CONTINUE IT NOW,

10:56:12 AGAIN OUT OF DEFERENCE TO COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER?

10:56:13 AND IF THEY WANT TO THE BE BROUGHT UP, WE CAN BRING IT BACK

10:56:15 ON THE AGENDA IF NEED BE?

10:56:15 >> ABSOLUTELY.

10:56:15 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:56:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER.

10:56:17 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

10:56:17 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:56:18 ANY OPPOSED?

10:56:18 MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

10:56:18 >> CHAIRMAN GUDES?

10:56:19 GOOD MORNING.

10:56:19 CAROLE POST FROM ADMINISTRATION.

10:56:20 I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM ON THE LINE, SHOULD

10:56:21 YOU NEED TO DISCUSS THE CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER 8, PRIOR

10:56:22 TO THE ITEM COMING UP ON THE AGENDA.

10:56:23 I KNOW YOU HAVE -- I WILL DEFER TO YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT,

10:56:24 BUT I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WE ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO




10:56:26 ADDRESS THE MATTER.

10:56:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MS. POST.

10:56:27 WE HAVE TO GET THESE ATU FOLKS OUT OF HERE.

10:56:28 THEY HAVE BEEN WAITING.

10:56:28 NUMBER 8 IS A BIG ISSUE SO WE'LL HOLD OFF WITH YOU.

10:56:30 YOU STAY ON THE LINE WHILE WE DEAL WITH THE ATU, IF YOU

10:56:31 DON'T MIND, MA'AM.

10:56:32 >>CAROLE POST: SURE THING.

10:56:32 THANK YOU.

10:56:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN GO NOW WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE

10:56:33 AGENDA.

10:56:34 CORRECT, SIR?

10:56:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGENDA AND ADDENDUM, YES.

10:56:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND APPROVAL OF THE ADDENDA AND AGENDA.

10:56:36 MR. MANISCALCO MOVED IT.

10:56:36 MR. CITRO SECONDED IT.

10:56:37 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:56:38 ANY OPPOSED?

10:56:38 MOTION MOVES.

10:56:38 WE WILL GO TO CEREMONIALS.

10:56:39 ATU STAFF.

10:56:40 I HAVE MY AIDE SONYA DOWN THERE.

10:56:41 SHE'S GOING TO DO IT FOR US TODAY.

10:56:41 >> TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENTS THIS COMMENDATION IN

10:56:43 RECOGNITION OF JANE STOCKMAN, ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH FOR




10:56:44 YOUR EXCEPTIONAL PERFORMANCE OF DUTY AS AN ENGINEERING

10:56:45 TECHNICIAN 3 WITH THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DIVISION FOR

10:56:46 THE CITY OF TAMPA.

10:56:47 SINCE JOINING THE CITY IN 2015, YOU PLAY A KEY ROLE IN THE

10:56:48 SERVICE THE CITY PROVIDES BY MANAGING A VARIETY OF CAPITAL

10:56:49 IMPROVEMENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND UNDERTAKING COMPLEX

10:56:50 AND DIFFICULT SITUATIONS DURING CHALLENGING TIMES.

10:56:51 IN THIS ROLE, JAMES, YOU A SIFT LEADERSHIP TREMENDOUSLY BY

10:56:53 YOUR SHARP ATTENTION TO DETAIL, AND DOING A SPECTACULAR JOB.

10:56:54 AS A MODEL PUBLIC SERVANT, JAMES, YOU ARE ALWAYS COURTEOUS

10:56:55 AND RESPECTFUL TOWARDS EVERYONE, DISPLAYING YOUR

10:56:56 PROFESSIONALISM ON A DAILY BASIS.

10:56:57 YOU ARE ONE OF THE CITY'S SECRET WEAPONS AND YOU HAVE A

10:56:59 GREAT IMPACT ON THE SERVICE THE CITY PROVIDES.

10:56:59 YOUR POSITIVE ATTITUDE AND YOUR ABILITY TO INSPIRE OTHERS

10:57:01 WITH YOUR WORK ETHIC IS WELL KNOWN, AND WE ARE PROUD TO HAVE

10:57:02 YOU AS A MEMBER OF OUR WORKFORCE.

10:57:03 IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL PRESENTS THIS

10:57:04 COMMENDATION ON THIS 6th DAY OF MAY, 2021.

10:57:05 [ APPLAUSE ]

10:57:05 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR

10:57:07 ELECTIONS.

10:57:07 GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO

10:57:08 PRESENT THE ATU EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH AWARD.

10:57:09 ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE YOU TO JAMES DAWSON, AND ENGINEERING




10:57:11 TECHNICIAN 3 WITH THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT.

10:57:12 HIS ASTUTE ATTENTION TO DETAIL OVER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS

10:57:13 BUT ONE SPECIFIC ATTRIBUTE THAT DEFINES HIS ABILITY.

10:57:14 JAMES SETS AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW BY MAINTAINING A

10:57:15 PROFESSIONAL DEMEANOR DURING DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING

10:57:16 SITUATIONS.

10:57:16 HE'S INSTRUMENTAL IN OVERSEEING AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETING

10:57:17 A VARIETY OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR

10:57:18 THE CITY AND IS HIGHLY RESPECTED BY TEAM MEMBERS AND CITY

10:57:20 CONTRACTORS.

10:57:20 JAMES ASPIRES TO ACCEPT MORE COMPLEX AND DIFFICULT

10:57:21 ASSIGNMENTS AND IS ALWAYS WILLING AND EAGER TO PROVIDE

10:57:22 TRAINING IN SUPPORT OF THOSE ON HIS TEAM.

10:57:23 CURRENTLY HE IS ASSIGNED MULTIPLE INSPECTION DUTIES WITHIN

10:57:24 THE CITY'S WATER DEPARTMENT TREATMENT FACILITY, AND HIS

10:57:25 TECHNICAL PROWESS AND PERSISTENCE ENSURES INSPECTIONS ARE

10:57:27 THOROUGH, COMPLETE, AND IN COMPLIANCE.

10:57:28 JAMES HIGH QUALITY CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS HONESTY AMBITION

10:57:29 AND STRONG WORK ETHIC MAKE HIM A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH.

10:57:31 WE COMMEND HIS EXEMPLARY COULD DUCT AND HE RECEIVES OUR ATU

10:57:33 EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH AWARD.

10:57:33 CONGRATULATIONS.

10:57:33 >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MY LEADERSHIP BEHIND ME.

10:57:35 WITHOUT THOSE GUYS, THIS WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE AND OF COURSE

10:57:36 MY WIFE, WITHOUT HER SUPPORT, I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.




10:57:37 THANK YOU.

10:57:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY COMMENTS?

10:57:38 >>LUIS VIERA: JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY

10:57:39 OF TAMPA.

10:57:39 WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE HEART AND SOUL OF OUR CITY ARE

10:57:40 OUR EMPLOYEES INCLUDING OUR ATU MEMBERS, AND LIKE MR. SIMON

10:57:42 SAYS, YOU ALWAYS KEEP THE CITY RUNNING ON TIME.

10:57:43 AND THAT'S THROUGH JOBS THAT ARE OFTEN SEEN, OFTEN NOT SEEN,

10:57:44 SO TODAY IS A TIME IN WHICH WE CAN JUST SEE WHAT YOU DO.

10:57:46 BUT JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE.

10:57:46 WHAT YOU ALL DO IS PUBLIC SERVICE AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE

10:57:47 IT.

10:57:48 THANK YOU.

10:57:48 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

10:57:49 [OFF MICROPHONE] ALL THE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE

10:57:50 FAMILY.

10:57:50 AND I THANK YOU FOR BEING PART OF THE FAMILY.

10:57:51 AND THANK YOU FOR BEING UNION STRONG.

10:57:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

10:57:52 SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

10:57:53 AGAIN, EVERYONE PLAYS A PART IN THE CITY.

10:57:54 I WILL GO AHEAD AND FINISH UP BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR A JOB

10:57:55 WELL DONE.

10:57:56 MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

10:57:57 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ETHIC LIKE




10:57:58 MENTIONED BEFORE AND YOU ARE ONE OF MANY OF THE EMPLOYEES OF

10:57:59 THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE WHAT THEY DO ON A

10:58:00 DAILY BASIS TO MAKE THIS CITY WORK, AS YOU WELL KNOW BEING

10:58:01 AN ENGINEER AND WORKING AS HARD AS YOU HAVE FOR YOUR GOOD

10:58:03 FRIEND OF THE CITY, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE DOING

10:58:04 THE PROGRESS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WITH THE LIMITED

10:58:05 RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.

10:58:06 BUT YOU AND YOUR GROUP AND YOUR OPERATION OF THE UNION THAT

10:58:07 YOU BELONG TO ARE TO BE COMMENDED FOR WHAT YOU ARE DO ON A

10:58:08 DAILY BASIS.

10:58:09 CONGRATULATIONS SIR.

10:58:09 >> THANK YOU.

10:58:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S A GUY BY THE NAME OF STEPHEN

10:58:10 MICHELINI BEHIND YOU AND I DIDN'T SEE HIM.

10:58:11 I'M SURE HE HAS SOME GOODIES FOR YOU.

10:58:12 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THIS IS A BIG GUY HERE.

10:58:13 [ LAUGHTER ]

10:58:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I COULDN'T SEE HIS HAND GOING UP.

10:58:14 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I ASKED, DID HE PLAY FOR THE BUCS OR

10:58:15 SOMETHING?

10:58:16 YOU KNOW, STEVE MICHELINI, HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF

10:58:17 DIFFERENT FOLKS, AND FIRST I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE BACK OF

10:58:18 THE HOUSE PEOPLE, THE GUYS AND THE WOMEN IN THE CONTRACT

10:58:20 ADMINISTRATION MAKE THINGS RUN SMOOTHLY.

10:58:20 THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ENSURE THAT THE CONTRACTS FOR THE




10:58:21 FIELD WORKERS GO CORRECTLY IN THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO

10:58:23 GO.

10:58:23 SO WE APPRECIATE THEM.

10:58:23 THEY ARE RARELY SEEN, BUT WE ALL HEAR ABOUT THEM.

10:58:25 AND BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD, IN AN EXPEDITIOUS

10:58:26 MANNER.

10:58:26 SO ON BEHALF OF THE STRAZ CENTER, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A

10:58:27 GIFT CERTIFICATE SO HE CAN GO SEE THE SHOW OF HIS CHOICE AND

10:58:29 WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF SHOWS THAT HE CAN CHOOSE FROM.

10:58:30 ON BEHALF OF CICCIO'S RESTAURANT GROUP, A GIFT CERTIFICATE

10:58:31 FOR HIS CHOICE BREAKFAST LUNCH OR DINNER.

10:58:32 ON BEHALF OF YUMMY HOUSE CHINA BISTRO, WE ARE PROVIDING HIM,

10:58:33 AND UM SURE HIS CO-WORKERS ARE GOING TO WANT TO GO TO THAT

10:58:35 ONE.

10:58:35 BUT HE CAN CHOOSE AGAIN LUNCH OR DINNER.

10:58:36 AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO PRESENT THAT TO HIM.

10:58:37 AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR US.

10:58:38 >> THANK YOU, SIR.

10:58:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.

10:58:40 ANYBODY ELSE?

10:58:40 >> I WANTED TO ON BEHALF OF ATLU 1864 GIVE A TOKEN OF

10:58:42 APPRECIATION TO JAMES $100 GIFT CARD.

10:58:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:58:44 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

10:58:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JAMES, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK




10:58:45 CHAIRMAN GUDES AND MR. SIMON FOR DOING THIS AWARD ON A

10:58:47 REGULAR BASIS.

10:58:47 IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES SEE THAT WE

10:58:48 APPRECIATE THEIR HARD WORK.

10:58:49 JAMES, YOU HAVE A GROUP OF FOLKS BEHIND YOU.

10:58:50 YOUR WORK MATES BACK THERE, INCLUDING MR. BAIRD.

10:58:51 AND WE HAVE ALL WORKED CLOSELY WITH MR. BAIRD FOR MANY

10:58:52 YEARS.

10:58:52 AND IF MR. BAIRD SAYS YOU ARE A GOOD GUY AND HE'S STANDING

10:58:53 THERE SHAKING HIS HEAD, THEN WE KNOW YOU ARE A GOOD GUY AND

10:58:55 WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK.

10:58:55 THANK YOU.

10:58:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:58:56 WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5.

10:58:57 THANKS FOR COMING.

10:58:57 >> THANK YOU.

10:58:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO CLARIFY IN

10:58:59 REGARD TO STAFF REPORTS THE ONES WE ARE RELEASING.

10:59:00 IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.

10:59:01 SO BASICALLY, ARE WE SAYING THAT IF THEY GAVE US A MEMO,

10:59:03 THAT THAT'S ADEQUATE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO HEAR FROM THEM?

10:59:04 WHAT ARE WE SAYING HERE?

10:59:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

10:59:06 I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE MAY HAVE LATER ON DOWN THE

10:59:07 LINE WITH CHIEF OF STAFF IN REFERENCE TO SOME HOUSE CLEANING




10:59:08 THINGS.

10:59:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SPECIFICALLY, I THOUGHT -- THEY ARE ALL

10:59:09 IMPORTANT ISSUES.

10:59:10 I BROUGHT UP AN IMPORTANT ISSUE ON ITEM 74 IN RELATION TO AN

10:59:11 IMPACT FEE TO HELP SUPPORT POLICE AND FIRE.

10:59:12 AND WE GOT TWO MEMOS BACK BUT I THINK A DISCUSSION ON THAT

10:59:14 WOULD BE GOOD.

10:59:14 I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THAT.

10:59:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE

10:59:16 POINT THAT IF THERE ARE MEMOS THAT ARE RECEIVED, IT SAYS TO

10:59:17 APPEAR AND PROVIDE A REPORT.

10:59:18 BUT IF COUNCIL SHOULD FEEL THAT THE REPORT SUFFICES, AND YOU

10:59:19 HAVE CERTAINLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO RELEASE THE ADMINISTRATION

10:59:20 FROM HAVING TO SPEAK AT STAFF REPORTS SEWING THAT WILL NOT

10:59:21 BE NECESSARY FOR DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL'S DETERMINATION.

10:59:22 IN REGARD TO, LET'S SAY, NUMBER 74, WHAT COUNCILMEMBER

10:59:23 DINGFELDER SAID WAS REQUEST THAT STAFF BE PRESENT FOR THE

10:59:24 1:30 STAFF REPORTS TO DISCUSS ITEM 74.

10:59:25 THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

10:59:26 FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE SOME, FOR INSTANCE, NUMBER 75 WITH

10:59:27 THE ROLE IS JUST TO PROVIDE A REPORT, THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO

10:59:28 MAKE IT CLEAR TO RELEASE THE ADMINISTRATOR FROM HAVING TO BE

10:59:29 ONLINE FOR ITEM 75 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE DONE PREVIOUSLY.

10:59:31 WITH REGARD, LET'S SAY, TO NUMBER 77, THAT'S TO INVESTIGATE

10:59:32 AND REPORT.




10:59:32 YOU DID HAVE A MEMORANDUM TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

10:59:33 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER COUNCIL WANTS MR. PEREZ OR A MEMBER

10:59:34 OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BE HERE FOR A REPORT ON NUMBER

10:59:35 77.

10:59:36 IF THAT REPORT SUFFICES, TO RELEASE THE ADMINISTRATION AND

10:59:37 THE STAFF FROM HAVING TO BE ON CALL.

10:59:38 THE SAME THING WITH NUMBER 78.

10:59:39 NUMBER 78 IS A REPORT, AND THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO COUNCIL.

10:59:40 THE QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE ON

10:59:41 NUMBER 78.

10:59:41 SO I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL, AND I HAVE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY,

10:59:42 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, CERTAINLY WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO

10:59:43 SPEAK WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF BUT THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS

10:59:45 COMMUNICATED THAT THE TIME THAT YOU INVEST UPFRONT IN GIVING

10:59:46 DIRECTION TO COUNCIL AS TO THEIR TIME REQUIREMENTS FOR YOUR

10:59:47 WILL CERTAINLY AID IN THEIR EFFICIENCY, AND IT'S VERY MUCH

10:59:48 APPRECIATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO LOOK

10:59:49 THROUGH YOUR STAFF REPORTS AND DETERMINE WHICH YOU FEEL AS A

10:59:50 COUNCIL ARE NECESSARY FOR STAFF TO BE HERE.

10:59:51 AND OF COURSE TODAY THERE ARE A LOT OF STAFF REPORTS,

10:59:52 COUNCIL, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT.

10:59:53 THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU TO LOOK

10:59:54 THROUGH.

10:59:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION?

10:59:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.




10:00:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WHEN WE ARE DOING THE AGENDA

10:00:39 REVIEW IN THE BEGINNING, MAYBE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MIGHT WANT TO

10:00:43 JUMP TO THE STAFF REPORTS AND WALK THROUGH EACH ONE, AND

10:00:46 JUST SAY, RELEASE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OBJECTION, SPEAK UP,

10:00:50 THIS ONE IS RELEASED, THIS ONE STAYS, THIS ONE IS RELEASED,

10:00:54 AND THAT WAY EACH COUNCIL PERSON CAN SPEAK UP TO EACH ONE.

10:00:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD SUGGESTION,

10:01:00 MR. DINGFELDER.

10:01:01 I WILL GIVE TO THE MR. SHELBY AND IS THE T STAFF.

10:01:04 FORGIVE ME, 78, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS JUST A REPORT.

10:01:07 I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE AN APPEARANCE BECAUSE I DID -- I HAD

10:01:10 A CONVERSATION WITH HR ABOUT 78.

10:01:13 AND I THOUGHT COUNCIL TO DETERMINE AT WELL.

10:01:20 I KIND OF THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE HERE AND I COULD CHIME IN ON

10:01:24 78 AS WELL.

10:01:25 SO I GET YOUR POINT.

10:01:28 MR. SHELBY AND MYSELF WILL DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE I

10:01:31 THINK MR. DINGFELDER MAKES A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THINGS DO

10:01:34 COME UP ALONG THE WAY.

10:01:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU RAISE ALSO A VERY

10:01:39 INTERESTING REPORT.

10:01:40 IF THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT BUT THE REPORT RAISES

10:01:44 QUESTIONS, DURING YOUR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA YOU COULD

10:01:46 STILL SAY THAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO

10:01:49 ANSWER OR HAVE THE STAFF ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE




10:01:51 OF THE MEETING, SO YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE THEM THERE.

10:01:54 BUT IF YOU WANT THEM TO APPEAR DURING THE APPROPRIATE

10:01:56 AGENDA, SAY YES, WE HAVE A REPORT THAT'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED, I

10:02:00 DO REQUEST OR COUNCIL DOES REQUEST STAFF TO BE PRESENT AT

10:02:06 STAFF REPORTS IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.

10:02:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I BELIEVE ON 76, I BELIEVE SHOULD BE ABLE

10:02:13 TO ADDRESS 78 AS WELL.

10:02:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 76 WAS ALREADY RECEIVED BY MOTION.

10:02:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.

10:02:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR PLEASURE IS WITH

10:02:23 REGARD TO 78.

10:02:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY HEAR THE REPORT

10:02:28 SO COUNCIL CAN REALLY GET A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF 78.

10:02:31 AND I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT AND I APOLOGIZE TO STAFF FOR THAT.

10:02:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, BY UNANIMOUS

10:02:38 CONSENT, AND WITH THE ADMINISTRATION HOPEFULLY LISTENING, TO

10:02:41 HAVE STAFF PRESENT FOR NUMBER 78 TO DISCUSS?

10:02:45 IS THAT YOUR INTENTION?

10:02:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

10:02:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

10:02:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH EACH ONE AND

10:02:54 SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL IT?

10:02:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

10:02:58 WE CAN DO THAT NOW.

10:03:02 ITEM 70.




10:03:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: CONTINUE TO JUNE 3rd.

10:03:08 WITH REGARD TO THE ADMINISTRATION UPDATE AND AGENDA REVIEW

10:03:10 OF THE CITY CLERK AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE LEGAL

10:03:12 DEPARTMENT YESTERDAY, WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THERE IS NO

10:03:14 ADMINISTRATION UPDATE ON NUMBER 69.

10:03:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 71, A MOTION TO CONTINUE.

10:03:26 NO QUESTION ON THAT.

10:03:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.

10:03:30 DO YOU WANT TO TAKE UP THAT MEMORANDUM AND TAKE IT OFF THE

10:03:32 AGENDA?

10:03:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL MOVE 71 AND 72.

10:03:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON SECONDED.

10:03:43 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:03:44 ANY OPPOSED?

10:03:45 MOTION CARRIED.

10:03:50 73?

10:03:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M OKAY FOR THAT TO GO AWAY.

10:03:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO WE CAN RELEASE ON 73.

10:04:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU CAN DO A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE.

10:04:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY MIRANDA.

10:04:10 MOTION CARRIED.

10:04:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 73 IS RELEASED.

10:04:13 THANK YOU.

10:04:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 74 IS APPEARING.

10:04:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 74 I WOULD LIKE US ALL TO TALK ABOUT IT.




10:04:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 75.

10:04:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS RELEASED.

10:04:29 AM I CORRECT, MADAM CLERK?

10:04:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: 74, SATISFIED WITH THE REPORT.

10:04:38 75.

10:04:38 >> [OFF MICROPHONE] IF I COULD DISCUSS --

10:04:57 >>LUIS VIERA: I MAY WANT TO SAY SOME REMARKS ON IT BUT I

10:04:59 DON'T NEED ANYBODY FROM STAFF ON IT.

10:05:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO WITHDRAW?

10:05:07 76.

10:05:08 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 76 IS GONE.

10:05:12 76 IS GONE.

10:05:13 77.

10:05:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT WAS MR. MANISCALCO.

10:05:26 MOTION.

10:05:27 I DO WANT A REPORT, MR. MANISCALCO?

10:05:29 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE THAT MR. MANISCALCO IS CORRECT

10:05:35 ON THESE ISSUES.

10:05:36 NOT ONLY IN THAT AREA THAT HE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THIS

10:05:39 REPORT, THIS INVESTIGATION AND REPORT, BUT THE WHOLE CITY OF

10:05:43 TAMPA HAS COME TO GRIPS WITH WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH

10:05:46 THE ILLEGAL TRUCKS, AND I DON'T MEAN TRUCKS THAT ARE

10:05:51 F-150s, I MEAN SEMI, TWO AND A HALF TONS, THAT ARE PARKED

10:05:58 EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, AND THEY ARE LEAVING THEM THERE FROM

10:06:04 FRIDAY NIGHT TO MONDAY MORNING.




10:06:05 AND SOME KID IS GOING TO GET KILLED UNEXPECTEDLY BECAUSE THE

10:06:09 TRAFFIC CAN'T SEE THEM, COME UP BEHIND ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS,

10:06:12 THEY ARE PARKED THERE ON CITY ROAD, CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND

10:06:15 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO STOP, AND THE FAMILIES

10:06:18 OF BOTH SIDES, THOSE THAT ARE DECEASED AND THOSE THAT DID,

10:06:22 THE ACT OF NOT TRYING TO KILL ANYONE, BUT IT'S AN ACT TWO

10:06:26 FAMILIES DON'T GET HURT, AND HE'S 100% IN DOING THIS.

10:06:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE MR. MANISCALCO FROM

10:06:36 WHERE I AM.

10:06:36 BUT IF IT'S COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO WANT TO DISCUSS THIS

10:06:39 BECAUSE YOU ARE IN THE SUNSHINE, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR

10:06:42 TO YOU HEAR FROM EACH OTHER.

10:06:43 IF YOU WANT STAFF PRESENT FOR NUMBER 77 YOU CAN DO THAT WHEN

10:06:46 YOU DISCUSS IT.

10:06:47 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE THAT JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS

10:06:52 CLEAR THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ENFORCEMENT FOR THESE VEHICLES.

10:06:56 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAID IT ALL.

10:06:59 SUNDAY MORNING, I GET A PHONE CALL ABOUT A TRACTOR TRAILER

10:07:02 PARKING THAT REGULARLY PARKS IN THIS GENTLEMAN'S PARKING LOT

10:07:06 ON HIS PROPERTY, TEARING UP HIS PARKING LOT, BLOCKING THE

10:07:10 STOP SIGN, BLOCKING VISIBILITY, WHERE AGAIN SOMEONE IS GOING

10:07:13 TO GET KILLED.

10:07:14 THAT'S THE NEWEST COMPLAINT.

10:07:15 OTHER TIMES THEY ARE BLOCKING SIDEWALKS.

10:07:17 I HAVE PEOPLE COMPLAINING, ADA ACCESSIBILITY WHERE THE




10:07:21 SIDEWALK IS THERE, BUT THESE VEHICLES ARE PARKING ON THE

10:07:23 RIGHT-OF-WAY AND BLOCKING EVERYTHING, MEANING THAT THEY HAVE

10:07:26 TO TAKE THEIR MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIRS OUT INTO THE STREET,

10:07:29 WHICH POSES A HAZARD.

10:07:31 CHILDREN INVOLVED.

10:07:32 PEOPLE ON BICYCLES.

10:07:33 WHATEVER IT IS.

10:07:36 I WOULD LIKE STAFF HERE JUST SO WE GET CLARITY FOR THE

10:07:39 PUBLIC TO KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING COMPLAINTS.

10:07:41 I KNOW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS BEEN RECEIVING COMPLAINTS FOR

10:07:44 YEARS.

10:07:44 AND WE WANT THE PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE IS ENFORCEMENT

10:07:47 COMING, VIA TPD, VIA CODE ENFORCEMENT WHERE WE ARE DOING

10:07:54 SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

10:07:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

10:07:58 AND I HAVE ALREADY COMMENTED ON 78.

10:08:00 I THINK, MR. SHELBY, IN IT FUTURE, THESE STAFF REPORTS, WE

10:08:07 NEED TO GO DOWN EACH ONE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF,

10:08:10 BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE MISS THINGS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO

10:08:13 THAT.

10:08:14 I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WE GO DOWN THE STAFF REPORTS FIRST

10:08:23 WE MADE THE CORRECTIONS.

10:08:25 WE GO TO ITEM 5.

10:08:27 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: CITY CLERK, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER

10:08:38 5.




10:08:38 AS IT RELATES TO EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY ADVISORY

10:08:42 COMMISSION, THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED REGARDING THE TERM, AND

10:08:51 I BELIEVE MR. HART AND MR. SHELBY, THEY HAVE BOTH BEEN

10:08:59 TALKING, SO I WANT TO REPORT?

10:09:02 >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, I DISTRIBUTED TO YOU A

10:09:04 COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD WITH MR. GREG HART, THE McOF THE

10:09:09 EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY OFFICE, AND HE DOES CONFIRM THAT

10:09:13 THE EBOAC HAVE BEEN MEETING SINCE AUGUST WHEN THEY

10:09:18 RECONVENED, AND HAVE BEEN MEETING VIRTUALLY AND HAVE BEEN

10:09:22 MEETING CONSISTENTLY.

10:09:23 SO WITH THAT HE STATED THAT THEIR INITIAL APPOINTMENT

10:09:27 EXPIRED ON AUGUST 23rd OF 2020, AND HENCE THEIR

10:09:33 APPOINTMENTS WILL EXPIRE IN AUGUST OF 2022 AND CONSISTENT

10:09:36 WITH THAT DIRECTION, I HAVE PREPARED A RESOLUTION FOR

10:09:40 COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WHICH IS RETROACTIVE TO AUGUST 23rd

10:09:46 OF 2020.

10:09:48 SO IF COUNCIL WISHES TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION, THAT WOULD

10:09:53 PRESENT IT FOR THE CHAIRMAN'S SIGNATURE.

10:09:56 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SO MOVED.

10:09:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO SECONDS IT.

10:10:02 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:10:02 OPPOSED?

10:10:03 MOTION CARRIED.

10:10:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COUNCILMAN MIRANDA FOR

10:10:06 BRINGING THIS ISSUE TO CLARITY.




10:10:07 THANK YOU.

10:10:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 6.

10:10:11 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: [OFF MICROPHONE]

10:10:35 >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

10:10:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED.

10:10:39 MR. CITRO SECONDS.

10:10:42 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:10:43 MOTION CARRIED.

10:10:44 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: ITEM NUMBER 7.

10:10:46 WE HAVE ANOTHER REAPPOINTMENT ON CODE ENFORCEMENT/PUBLIC

10:10:53 NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD FOR JASON VALKENBURG LOOKING TO BE

10:10:59 REAPPOINTED GO MOVED BY CITRO, SECOND BY MIRANDA.

10:11:03 ALL IN FAVOR?

10:11:04 ANY OPPOSED?

10:11:05 MOTION CARRIES.

10:11:05 >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: THANK YOU VERY KINDLY.

10:11:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS FOR

10:11:16 PUBLIC CONSIDERATION OF LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.

10:11:18 DO WE?

10:11:19 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT THAT I AM AWARE.

10:11:21 YOU CAN MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.

10:11:22 I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY IS REGISTERED FOR THAT.

10:11:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY REGISTERED FOR THAT, DEPUTY CLERK?

10:11:29 >> NO, NOBODY REGISTERED.

10:11:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE




10:11:33 SECOND FLOOR.

10:11:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:11:38 THANK YOU, DEPUTY CLERK.

10:11:40 MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:11:43 HOW MANY DO WE HAVE DOWNSTAIRS?

10:11:44 >>THE CLERK: I BELIEVE THERE ARE 10.

10:11:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.

10:11:57 >> HELLO, COUNCIL.

10:12:09 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

10:12:10 THANK YOU.

10:12:10 I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.

10:12:11 DARRYL MCINTYRE, 100 SOUTH ASHLEY DRIVE, SUITE 200 IN TAMPA,

10:12:17 ALSO A TAMPA RESIDENT, AND I HAVE WORKED WITH DUNBAR LLP,

10:12:23 AND WHILE I GENERALLY OPPOSE WHAT I CALL THE ALTERNATE

10:12:28 MORATORIUM PROCESS ON APARTMENTS, IN ANY GEOGRAPHY WITHIN

10:12:33 THE CITY OF TAMPA AND LAND USE CATEGORIES, I WOULD SUPPORT

10:12:37 THE CONTINUANCE.

10:12:38 I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO MOVE THE FOCUS BACK TO SOUTH

10:12:41 OF GANDY, AND TO HAVE THE DEBATE WHERE THE DEBATE STARTED

10:12:46 AND WHERE THE ISSUE IS INTENSE.

10:12:48 THAT'S WHERE THIS ISSUE BELONGS.

10:12:50 AND THE FACT THAT IT'S CITY-WIDE, IT'S WRECKING HAVOC IN THE

10:12:56 REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY.

10:12:57 WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF CALLS, IT'S DESTROYING

10:13:00 PREDICTABILITY IN THE LAND USE PROCESS, AND AT LEAST MOVING




10:13:02 THE DISCUSSION BACK TO SOUTH OF GANDY WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS

10:13:06 BENEFIT.

10:13:07 AGAIN, I DON'T SUPPORT THE MORATORIUM IN GENERAL, BUT AT

10:13:11 LEAST MOVING THIS SESSION BACK TO SOUTH OF GANDY WHERE IT

10:13:14 BELONGS.

10:13:15 THANK YOU.

10:13:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:13:17 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:13:40 MY NAME IS AARON CHANCEY, LIVE IN NORTH YBOR, AFTERNOON IT

10:13:47 PROFESSIONAL WORKING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND I AM HERE TO

10:13:49 DISCUSS PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

10:13:51 WHEN I MOVED TO EAST TAMPA OVER THREE YEARS AGO, 1816 EAST

10:13:55 18th AVENUE WAS OWNED BY THE SERRALLES GROUP, ATTEMPTED

10:14:01 TO RENT OUT THEIR SHED IN THE BACKYARD, HOWEVER AN ORDER

10:14:04 SAYING THE SHED WAS NOT A SEPARATE DOMICILE AND COULD NOT BE

10:14:08 RENTED AS SUCH.

10:14:09 THE ORDER STATED THAT THE KITCHEN THAT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT

10:14:11 PERMITS IN THE SHED IN ADDITION TO THE SEPARATE ELECTRIC

10:14:15 METER WAS TO BE REMOVED.

10:14:17 IT NEVER WAS.

10:14:18 THE GROUP THEN TRANSFERRED THE PROPERTY TO ONE OF THEIR

10:14:21 EMPLOYEES, AND WILLIAM DID RENT OUT THE SHED.

10:14:25 THIS WAS REPORTED TO AND OBSERVED BY TAMPA'S CODE

10:14:28 ENFORCEMENT.

10:14:29 AT SOME POINT LATER THE LAST RENTERS OF THE SHED LEFT, THERE




10:14:32 WAS A FIRE DAMAGING THE INTERIOR THAT MADE IT UNINHABITABLE.

10:14:37 THAT IS ITS CURRENT STATE.

10:14:39 A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WILLIAMS SOLD 1816 EAST 18th

10:14:43 AVENUE TO ANOTHER INVESTOR WHO INTENSIFIED FOR A PERMIT TO

10:14:48 RENOVATE THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE T SHED, CALLING THE SHED A

10:14:51 DETACHED MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE.

10:14:53 THEY HAVE NOT YET SUBMITTED PLANS.

10:14:55 HOWEVER, LIKE THE INVESTOR WHO OWNS 1813 EAST 18th

10:14:59 AVENUE, THE PRECONSTRUCTION SITE PLAN WAS CHICKEN SCRATCH ON

10:15:04 A SHEET OF PAPER AND ALSO LIKE THAT OTHER INVESTOR SOME

10:15:07 LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION STARTED PRIOR TO A PERMIT BEING ISSUED

10:15:11 AS WAS EVIDENCED BY THE WORK THROUGH ON-SITE WORKING LAST

10:15:14 WEEK, MULTIPLE WORK TRUCKS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY AND

10:15:17 THE TWO DUMPSTERS PUT OUT SCRAP BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WERE

10:15:21 FILLED UP BY THEIR EFFORTS.

10:15:24 ONE HAS SINCE BEEN HAULED AWAY.

10:15:26 THE OTHER IS STILL SITTING IN THE DRIVEWAY.

10:15:28 I SINCERELY HOPE THAT UNLIKE THE INVESTOR WHO OWNED 1813

10:15:32 EAST 18th AVENUE, A PERMIT WILL NOT BE ISSUED FOR PLANS

10:15:36 THAT DO NOT MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA

10:15:40 HELD US TO WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I RECENTLY IMPROVED OUR HOME.

10:15:43 I ALSO HOPE THAT NO PERMITS WILL BE ISSUED FOR WORK ON 1816

10:15:49 EAST 18th AVENUE UNTIL COMPLETE.

10:15:51 THIS COMPLIES WITH THE CITY'S ORDER TO REMOVE THE

10:15:54 KITCHENETTE AND THE ELECTRIC METERS PRESENTLY INSTALLED ON




10:15:58 THE SHED.

10:15:58 ALTHOUGH GIVEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE INVESTOR-OWNED

10:16:01 PROPERTIES AT 1813 EAST 18th AVENUE AND THE HISTORY WITH

10:16:05 1816 EAST 18th AVENUE, I HAVE LITTLE HOPE FOR EITHER OF

10:16:11 THOSE OUTCOMES.

10:16:12 IT SEEMS AS THOUGH INVESTORS GET TO PLAY BY A DIFFERENT SET

10:16:16 OF RULES THAN THE REST OF US HOMEOWNERS.

10:16:18 OFTEN AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF US, AND MORE OVER, THE

10:16:21 EXPENSE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:16:23 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.

10:16:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:16:29 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR, MR. MIRANDA.

10:16:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE] ... THEIR OWN NAME SO

10:17:03 THEY GET PREFERENCE AS A HOMEOWNER AT TAX RATE INSTEAD OF A

10:17:07 BUSINESS TAX RATE, AND IF YOU ARE PAYING $1,000 A YEAR, YOU

10:17:12 SHOULD BE PAYING $4,000 A YEAR OR THEREABOUTS, AND WHAT'S

10:17:16 HAPPENING HERE IS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS SUFFERING,

10:17:19 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS SUFFERING, AND MORE IMPORTANT, THE

10:17:21 SCHOOL BOARD IS SUFFERING.

10:17:23 NONE OF THOSE TAXES ARE COLLECTED.

10:17:24 AND ON TOP OF THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE CHEATING, I

10:17:30 AM SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY, MORE LIKELY, IN THEIR TAXES

10:17:34 WHEN IT WAS APRIL, AND I THINK TO THIS MONTH OF MAY WHERE

10:17:39 THEY APPLY, THAT NEVER SHOWS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RENTAL

10:17:43 BUSINESS, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED ON.




10:17:46 AND THESE ARE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE FACING INFORM

10:17:50 WHATEVER REASON THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THROUGHOUT

10:17:52 THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA AND POSSIBLY THE NATION.

10:17:55 AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T CARE, IT'S THAT THERE'S SO MANY

10:17:58 OF THEM WITHIN A SMALL TAKE ON SAMPLING ABOUT FIVE YEARS

10:18:03 AGO, AND IN A SMALL AREA OF A CERTAIN DISTRICT IN WEST

10:18:06 TAMPA, WE FOUND 232 HOMES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN A SMALL

10:18:12 AREA AS MORE THAN LIKELY HAVING RENTAL PROPERTY WITHOUT

10:18:17 CONSENT, WITHOUT PAYING TAXES, WITHOUT PAYING SOMETHING.

10:18:20 AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT THE GENERAL POPULATION ARE THE

10:18:24 ONES THAT ARE PAYING THEIR TAX, BECAUSE THE COST OF LIVING

10:18:28 GOES UP NOT ONLY FOR CITY EMPLOYEES BUT FOR ALL BUSINESSES,

10:18:32 AND LET'S FACE IT, WHAT'S HAPPENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS

10:18:35 SOMETHING WHAT SHE SAID A GRANDMOTHER, OR A MOTHER-IN-LAW

10:18:40 SUITE, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

10:18:44 I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, AND I WILL TELL WHAT YOU IT IS,

10:18:47 IT'S FOR THIS CITY TO IDENTIFY THE MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE OR

10:18:53 THE GRANDMOTHER SUITE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THEY

10:18:56 ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE TO US THAT THE BLOOD LINE IS

10:18:59 THERE.

10:18:59 THERE'S ALL KIND OF ABILITIES NOW THAT THAT CAN BE DONE, AND

10:19:03 NOT AT GREAT EXPENSE.

10:19:05 AND WHY SHOULD WE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRACKING DOWN IF THEY

10:19:09 REALLY ARE RELATED?

10:19:10 THEY HAVE TO THAT THAT'S THEIR PARENT, AND FIGURE IT OUT.




10:19:16 AND AT ONE TIME, AND I HOPE THIS IS STILL DONE, IN CERTAIN

10:19:19 AREAS OF THE CITY, THAT WAS ALLOWED WAY BACK AND I HAVE NO

10:19:23 PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.

10:19:24 IN FACT I STILL DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT IF IT'S REALLY

10:19:27 FOR YOUR FAMILY MEMBER.

10:19:28 BUT YOU HAVE TO PRESENT THE EVIDENCE TO THIS CITY THAT IT IS

10:19:31 YOUR FAMILY MEMBER.

10:19:32 WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE THAT IT IS.

10:19:35 BUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING I WILL MAKE SOMETHING,

10:19:38 MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BECOMING A HARD

10:19:41 BURDEN TO THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS.

10:19:43 THANK YOU.

10:19:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I APPRECIATE THAT, MIRANDA, AND LOOK

10:19:47 FORWARD TO YOUR MOTION DURING NEW BUSINESS.

10:19:49 YES, SIR, YOU CAN BEGIN.

10:19:50 >> MY NAME IS CLAYTON LONG, I LIVE IN THE NORTH YBOR EAST

10:19:55 TAMPA AREA.

10:19:55 I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND A TAMPA RESIDENT OF NEARLY 40

10:19:58 YEARS, AND I HAVE COME TO TALK ABOUT PERMITTING AND

10:20:01 CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

10:20:03 A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I ADDRESSED THE CITY COUNCIL

10:20:05 CONCERNING AN INVESTOR IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO OWNS AT LEAST

10:20:08 TWO HOUSES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:20:09 HE HAD TWO STOP WORK ORDERS ISSUES ISSUED ON HIS 1813 EAST

10:20:13 18th AVENUE HOUSE.




10:20:15 I DISCUSSED HOW HE APPLIED FOR A PERMIT AFTER HIS FIRST STOP

10:20:17 WORK ORDER ON THAT HOUSE AND I DESCRIBED HOW HIS PLANS WERE

10:20:20 APPROVED EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT TO SCALE AND DID NOT HAVE

10:20:25 DIAGRAMS, DIDN'T HAVE WINDOW DIAGRAMS, INSTALLATION DETAILS,

10:20:28 AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE LISTED AS IN SCOPE FOR

10:20:32 THE PERMIT.

10:20:33 TWO WEEKS AGO I RETURNED TO TELL YOU THAT MR. HUTCHINSON

10:20:36 FROM TAMPA'S CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTACTED ME, PRESUMABLY

10:20:39 AT THE URGING OF ONE OR MORE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, AND HE

10:20:42 TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD ENSURE CONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT START AT

10:20:45 1813 EAST 18th AVENUE UNTIL THE PLANS MET THE CITY'S

10:20:49 STATED REQUIREMENTS.

10:20:50 THE SAME REQUIREMENTS I HAD TO MEET WHEN I DID CONSTRUCTION

10:20:53 OF A SIMILAR SCOPE OF WORK ON MY HOME JUST THREE YEARS AGO.

10:20:58 A PERMIT WAS ISSUED TO 1813 EAST 18th AVENUE AND THE

10:21:02 PLANS STILL FALL WAY SHORT OF CITY SPECIFICATIONS.

10:21:05 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MINOR WORK HERE.

10:21:06 THE SCOPE OF THE WORK INCLUDES WINDOW REPLACEMENTS FOR ALL

10:21:09 THE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE, REMOVING WALLS, BUILDING THE

10:21:13 KITCHEN WITH -- WITH AN ISLAND, AND SUBSTANTIAL ELECTRICAL

10:21:19 WORK.

10:21:19 SO I STAND BEFORE YOU AGAIN AND ASK WHY IS IT WHEN I APPLY

10:21:22 FOR A PERMIT I HAVE TO MEET THE CITY'S STATED

10:21:25 SPECIFICATIONS, BUT IT'S TO ENSURE THE BUILDING CODE

10:21:27 COMPLIANCE AND TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WHEN I ASK




10:21:31 WHY ISN'T THE INVESTOR NEXT DOOR HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD,

10:21:34 IT'S APPARENTLY TOO BURDENSOME.

10:21:37 TO ANY OBJECTIVE OBSERVER IT CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE

10:21:40 SHENANIGANS GOING ON HERE TO. FURTHER ILLUSTRATE THIS

10:21:43 POINT, LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA MADE ME SUBMIT

10:21:46 FOR MY PERMIT PLANS.

10:22:01 THESE ARE DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE WINDOW

10:22:03 INSTALLATION.

10:22:13 THESE ARE THE ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS.

10:22:15 ALL OF THIS IS TO SCALE.

10:22:16 IT HAS ALL OF THE MEASUREMENTS IN IT.

10:22:18 IT IS TO THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT THE CITY REQUIRES INCLUDING

10:22:21 THE EXACT SIZE WHICH THE CITY PUSHED BACK ON ME FOR TWO

10:22:24 MONTHS UNTIL I GOT IT APPROVED.

10:22:26 THE OTHER INVESTOR GOT APPROVED AFTER TWO WEEKS WITH THIS.

10:22:37 NOW, ANY OF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND TELL ME THAT THIS SEEMS

10:22:40 FAIR TO YOU.

10:22:41 THIS PERSON IS GOING TO SELL THIS HOUSE WITHOUT ANY OF THE

10:22:46 WORKERS KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THEY BUILT, WITHOUT THE

10:22:49 INSPECTOR BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND KNOW HOW IT'S BEING

10:22:52 BUILT OR WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK IS.

10:22:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN CONTINUE.

10:22:59 >> THIS ENDS UP HURTING PEOPLE.

10:23:02 THIS IS REALLY ALL THAT'S GOING ON HERE.

10:23:05 AND THIS TIME, THE SHIP HAS SAILED.




10:23:07 WORK IS ALREADY COMPLETED ON.

10:23:09 THIS BUT WE KNEW ABOUT THIS AHEAD OF TIME.

10:23:12 WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND WE FAILED

10:23:13 TO DO SO.

10:23:14 AND I JUST WANT US TO RECOGNIZE THAT, AND TRY TO DO BETTER

10:23:18 NEXT TIME.

10:23:18 THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE ON THIS MATTER.

10:23:21 I KNOW SOME OF YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH THIS, AND DID HELP,

10:23:25 AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

10:23:26 BUT THIS IS A REAL ONGOING PROBLEM THAT HONESTLY NEED TO BE

10:23:30 ADDRESSED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA.

10:23:31 THANK YOU SO MUCH.

10:23:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:23:58 >> MY NAME IS SUSAN LONG.

10:24:00 AND I LIVE IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

10:24:02 THE PROBLEMS YOU HEARD ABOUT FOR THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS ARE

10:24:05 THE SAME PROBLEMS BUT AT A LESSER DEGREE THAT WE HAVE IN

10:24:09 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.

10:24:09 WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PERMITTING, BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN

10:24:14 TOTAL VIOLATION OF RESTRICTIONS ON BUILDING IN SEMINOLE

10:24:19 HEIGHTS, A HOUSE WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT FOUR DOORS DOWN

10:24:23 THE STREET FROM ME, IT WAS BEING BUILT UP TO THE SIDEWALK IN

10:24:27 FRONT OF THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE, WATTS ZONED SH-RS, WE

10:24:33 ZONED IT THAT WAY PARTICULARLY SO THAT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES

10:24:36 AND ANYBODY ELSE WOULD KNOW IT WAS IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND




10:24:39 NO WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS WERE, AND WE HAD TO CALL

10:24:43 CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, HAVE THEM COME OUT, LOOK AT WHAT THEY

10:24:47 HAVE DONE AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES MADE THEM RIP OUT

10:24:49 EVERYTHING THEY PUT IN, IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET, TOO

10:24:53 CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR, ET CETERA.

10:24:54 THIS IS AN ONGOING ISSUE THAT WE HAVE.

10:24:56 WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM ONE PERSON IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM

10:24:59 WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM ANOTHER.

10:25:01 IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE THE GUY THAT TURNS IN THE PLAN ON A

10:25:06 NAPKIN, AND THEY APPROVE IT, YOU WON FINANCIALLY.

10:25:10 IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE THE PERSON THAT GOT CAUGHT AND MADE TO

10:25:13 FOLLOW THE RESTRICTIONS YOU HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO

10:25:17 MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

10:25:19 IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN

10:25:21 NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE STILL DEVELOPING OR BEGINNING TO BE

10:25:25 DEVELOPED TO DISCOVER THAT ONE PERSON CAN DO ANYTHING THEY

10:25:28 WANT, AND THE NEXT PERSON HAS TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS

10:25:31 TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.

10:25:32 THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR IONS IN THE CITY.

10:25:35 I HAVE LIVED HERE 20-SOME-ODD YEARS AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING

10:25:39 ON SINCE THE DAY I MOVED IN AND I HEAR THESE PROBLEMS HAVE

10:25:43 BEEN SOLVED AND TWO WEEKS LATER THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING

10:25:46 AGAIN.

10:25:46 I HOPE THIS TYPE OF PROBLEM CAN BE RESOLVED THIS TIME.

10:25:49 THANK YOU.




10:25:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:25:53 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 8.

10:26:17 AND I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

10:26:24 THE ORDINANCE HAS A WIDE RANGING EFFECT.

10:26:28 THERE HAS BEEN NO FINDING OF URGENCY REGARDING THIS.

10:26:30 THE IMPENDING CHALLENGES FOR HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE HAVE

10:26:34 NOTE BEEN DISCRIMINATED.

10:26:37 INDEED THIS ISSUE BOUNCED BACK AND FORTH, STARTED OUT AS

10:26:41 COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AND THEN CAME BACK AN EVACUATION AND

10:26:45 THEN DENSITY AND TRAFFIC AND TRANSPLANTATION TRANSPORTATION,

10:26:47 AND IT HAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES REGARDING THE PRINCIPAL

10:26:51 AREAS DESIGNATED FOR GROWTH AND THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS, USF,

10:26:55 WESTSHORE, DOWNTOWN, CHANNELSIDE, YBOR CITY.

10:26:58 THEY WOULD ALL SUFFER.

10:27:00 PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THE TRANSIT CORRIDORS ARE LEGALLY

10:27:04 DEFINED AND DESIGNATED AS HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AREAS,

10:27:07 AND THIS HAS BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL AND COMPETENT EVIDENCE

10:27:11 SUBMITTED, DISCUSSED OR PROVIDED TO WARRANT SUCH AN EXTREME

10:27:15 MEASURE IN THESE AREAS WITH ALL BE IMPACTED.

10:27:18 THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OR ANY MEASURE THAT DEMONSTRATED

10:27:21 JUSTIFICATION FOR ANY ACTIONS SUPPORTING THE PROPOSED

10:27:23 ORDINANCE. IN THIS REGARD, WE ARE ONLY OPPOSED TO -- THIS

10:27:27 IS ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION -- TO ADOPTING THIS

10:27:30 MEASURE AND THE EFFECTS OF THE ENTIRE CITY.

10:27:33 THE OBJECTIVES OF THE ORDINANCE HAVE CHANGED.




10:27:36 WE DO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN TRANSMITTED TO THE

10:27:39 PLANNING COMMISSION FOR INPUT, EVALUATION, STUDY, AND

10:27:44 RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING

10:27:46 COMMISSION BOARD AS WELL AS THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.

10:27:51 I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU A MAP.

10:27:56 THIS IS THE AREAS THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED

10:28:01 ORDINANCE.

10:28:02 THESE ARE ALL CMU-35, CC-35, AND UMU-60 AREAS.

10:28:08 IF YOU NOTICE, THEY ARE ALL ALIGNED ALONG THE TRANSIT

10:28:11 CORRIDORS.

10:28:13 HERE IS A MAP SHOWING YOU THE DESIGNATED TRANSIT CORRIDORS.

10:28:18 ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED THROUGH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE

10:28:20 PLAN, AND THEY ARE ALSO REFLECTED IN YOUR CITY OF TAMPA

10:28:23 CODE.

10:28:26 THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS YOU THE DISTRICTS OF THE CITY THAT

10:28:30 ARE IMPACTED AND WHERE THEY ARE PRINCIPALLY, AND THIS IS A

10:28:34 DETAIL OF THAT SAME MAP.

10:28:37 PRINCIPALLY THE AREAS WHERE YOU ARE SHOWING AND EXPECTING

10:28:40 GROWTH TO OCCUR THAT WILL BE AFFECTED ARE DISTRICTS 5 AND

10:28:44 DISTRICT 6.

10:28:45 THAT'S EAST TAMPA, YBOR CITY, AND WEST TAMPA, AND THE

10:28:49 AIRPORT AREA.

10:28:50 SO IN THAT REGARD, THE OBJECTIVE, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD IT TO

10:28:56 BE, WAS TO TRY TO ASSIST SOUTH OF GANDY.

10:28:59 THIS COMPLETELY MISSES THE MARK AND AFFECTS OTHER AREAS,




10:29:02 AGAIN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

10:29:03 WE URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL.

10:29:05 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:29:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:29:41 GO AHEAD, SIR.

10:29:41 >> MENTESNOT.

10:29:45 JUST AS IN RECONSTRUCTION, WHITE PEOPLE, RECONSTRUCTION, AND

10:29:49 WHEN YOU HEAR GRANTS, SOUP KITCHEN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT

10:29:54 WENT WITH IT, AND THE CARPET BAGGING AND THE SCALLY WAGS AND

10:29:58 EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WENT WITH IT, YOU ALWAYS REFLECT BACK

10:30:01 AND GO BACK TO OLD SLAVERY DAYS BECAUSE I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE

10:30:04 WE ARE IN NEW SLAVERY DAYS.

10:30:07 ALWAYS CONNECT BACK TO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND.

10:30:09 JUST LIKE WE HAVE HAD -- WE HAVE GOT A CHAIRMAN NOW, WE HAVE

10:30:13 GOT AN AFRICAN CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

10:30:15 I DON'T NORMALLY HEAR ME THANK PEOPLE, THANK THE KIDS FOR

10:30:21 DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

10:30:21 I WANT TO COMMEND THE CHAIRMAN FOR GETTING THE CHAIRMANSHIP

10:30:25 POSITION OF CITY COUNCIL, WHEN WE DON'T WANT THAT POSITION

10:30:29 TO GO TO WASTE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE WHEN PERRY HARVEY

10:30:33 WAS THERE AND WHEN GWEN MILLER WAS THERE AND LES MILLER WAS

10:30:36 THERE AND WHEN THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE THERE AND WHEN KEVIN

10:30:39 WHITE WAS THERE, AND WHEN THOMAS SCOTT WAS THERE, WHEN FRANK

10:30:42 REDDICK WAS THERE.

10:30:43 WE WANT -- CAN YOU HOLD DOWN THE CONVERSATION ON THE OTHER




10:30:49 SIDE, PLEASE?

10:30:50 CAN YOU HOLD MY TIME UP?

10:31:01 IF YOU CAN RESTORE MY TIME I WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATIVE.

10:31:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHOEVER IS IN THE STAFF THAT'S IN THERE,

10:31:10 IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE QUIET, PLEASE.

10:31:14 >> WE WANT IT TO BE WHEN IT WAS LIKE GRANT SOUP KITCHEN AND

10:31:19 EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO GET STUFF.

10:31:20 WE GOT AN AFRICAN CHAIRMAN NOW.

10:31:22 WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING.

10:31:24 WE WANT TO GET SOME REPARATIONS WHEREVER THIS CITY SINCE

10:31:27 IT'S FORMED IN 1823.

10:31:29 IN 2023 IT'S GOING TO BE 200 YEARS AND WE AIN'T GOT NOTHING

10:31:33 OUT OF IT.

10:31:33 WE WANT TO GET OUR 26% OUT OF IT.

10:31:36 THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO GET OUT OF IT.

10:31:38 WE WOULD LIKE OUR CHAIRMAN, WE WOULD LIKE OUR AFRICAN

10:31:41 CHAIRMAN TO START TALKING ABOUT REPARATIONS.

10:31:43 WE WOULD LIKE OUR AFRICAN CHAIRMAN TO START TALKING ABOUT

10:31:46 REALLY BRINGING SOME SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

10:31:49 WE WOULD LIKE OUR AFRICAN CHAIRMAN TO TALK ABOUT REVERSING

10:31:54 AND BICYCLE STOPS AND TAKEN OFF OF THEIR RECORD.

10:32:00 WE WOULD LIKE OUR AFRICAN CHAIRMAN TO TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY,

10:32:02 EVERYBODY WHO GOT A CODE VIOLATION, WE THINK WANT THAT OFF

10:32:06 THEIR PROPERTY AND OFF THEIR NAME.

10:32:09 THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.




10:32:10 THAT'S WHAT WE WANT INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU KNOW

10:32:12 WHY?

10:32:13 COME DOWN HERE AND TRY TO MAKE SOME NOISE AND TRY TO SAY

10:32:17 SOMETHING AND TRY TO EXPRESS YOURSELF AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE

10:32:19 A HATRED, ALWAYS SAY THEY GOT A HATRED FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE

10:32:23 BUT NOW WE GOT AN AFRICAN CHAIRMAN.

10:32:26 THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.

10:32:27 WE WOULD LIKE REPARATIONS.

10:32:29 WE WOULD LIKE THOSE BICYCLE STOPS TO BE REMOVED OFF OF ALL

10:32:32 OF OUR NAMES.

10:32:33 WE WOULD LIKE THE CODE VIOLATIONS TO BE GONE, GONE WITH.

10:32:36 WE WOULD LIKE OUR YOUTH TO STOP BEING HARASSED BY THE

10:32:39 POLICE, DEFUNDING THE POLICE, DEFUNDING CODE ENFORCEMENT,

10:32:43 STUFF LIKE THAT.

10:32:44 WE WANT TO START SEEING SOME REAL ISSUES GET TALKED ABOUT.

10:32:48 WE DON'T WANT THESE ISSUES AND ALL THIS, FRATERNITIES,

10:32:51 SORORITY, AWARD, AWARD CEREMONY, COME INDICATIONS.

10:32:57 THAT'S NONSENSE.

10:32:58 STANDING PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND ALL OF THIS

10:33:02 OTHER STUFF.

10:33:03 THAT'S NONSENSE.

10:33:04 PRAYING TO GOD AND REPRESENTING CITY COUNCIL IN A CERTAIN

10:33:08 WAY.

10:33:08 THAT'S NONSENSE.

10:33:09 WE WANT TO SEE SOME REAL SENSE COME TO DISTRICT 5 AND WHAT'S




10:33:13 GOING ON INSIDE OUR AFRICAN COMMUNITY.

10:33:16 THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TONE SEE FROM OUR CHAIRMAN.

10:33:19 REPARATIONS, BICYCLE STOPS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFF THE

10:33:24 BACKS OF AFRICAN PEOPLE.

10:33:27 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:33:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. DANIEL.

10:33:43 GOOD MORNING, SIR.

10:33:51 >> MY NAME IS VICTOR DIMAIO.

10:33:54 I LIVE AT 3112 NORTH ROME AVENUE.

10:33:57 I'M PRESIDENT OF TAMPA'S NEWEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION,

10:34:02 BEAUMONT HEIGHTS.

10:34:03 WE ARE -- OUR BORDERS ARE THAN THE COLUMBUS DRIVE TO THE

10:34:07 SOUTH, HILLSBOROUGH RIVER TO THE EAST, TAMPA BAY TO THE

10:34:11 NORTH AND HOWARD ARMENIA TO THE WEST.

10:34:14 I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEM 77 THAT WE WORKED FOR YEARS ON

10:34:18 NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE, WITH COUNCILMAN GUIDO MANISCALCO, FORMER

10:34:24 CHAIR, BECAUSE WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY SERIOUS SITUATION

10:34:29 THAT WE.

10:34:29 BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD, WITH

10:34:33 BUSINESSES WHO ARE PARKING THEIR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN THE

10:34:37 NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:34:38 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CONSULTED WITH SELF FORMER CITY

10:34:42 ATTORNEYS, AND THE WORDING THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR MANY

10:34:45 YEARS SAYING THE COMMERCIAL TRUCKS CANNOT PARK IN

10:34:49 NEIGHBORHOOD UNLESS THEY ARE A PLUMBER WHO LIVES THERE OR




10:34:51 ELECTRICIAN WORKING ON A HOUSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I

10:34:58 APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA REALIZING THAT WE DO HAVE A

10:35:02 VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM, AND IF YOU DO MOVE THIS LANGUAGE FROM

10:35:05 THE ONE SECTION IT'S CURRENTLY IN NOW TO ANOTHER SECTION,

10:35:11 WHICH WE FELT THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TPD HAD THE RIGHT TO

10:35:15 WRITE TICKETS, IF THAT'S WHAT THE LEGAL EAGLES TELL US WE

10:35:21 HAVE TO DO, SO WE ARE BEGGING YOU TO PLEASE MOVE THAT

10:35:24 ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME RELIEF, AND WE WON'T HAVE

10:35:28 ANY MORE EXCUSES FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND TPD ON ACTING ON

10:35:33 THESE REALLY BAD ACTORS THAT TAKE ADVANTAGE IN WEST TAMPA

10:35:36 FOR MANY YEARS.

10:35:38 WE LET A LOT OF THINGS GOING AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY.

10:35:41 BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS NICE AS THE

10:35:43 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY.

10:35:46 SO PLEASE, ITEM NUMBER 77, WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE ANY

10:35:51 MORE DELAYS ON THIS.

10:35:52 WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT DONE, AND ENACTED SO WE CAN MOVE

10:35:56 FORWARD, AND HELP THE POLICE CLEAN UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:36:00 IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HERE WHEN THAT ITEM

10:36:03 COMES UP ON 77 AND WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT

10:36:07 WE ARE IN AND HOW WE CAN HELP, NOT JUST OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUT

10:36:10 THIS COULD APPLY IN THE ENTIRE CITY IF THIS SITUATION COMES

10:36:15 UP AGAIN.

10:36:15 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:36:16 I APPRECIATE IT.




10:36:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:36:20 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF

10:36:51 CITY COUNCIL.

10:36:52 BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME

10:36:54 CLARIFICATION FROM MR. SHELBY ON WHERE WE ARE PROCEDURALLY,

10:36:59 BECAUSE I WAS LATE IN ARRIVING, AND I HAVE MR. CARLSON'S

10:37:05 MEMORANDUM THAT THE ITEM BE CONTINUED FOR TWO WEEKS.

10:37:07 SO THIS IS SPEAKING ON A COULDN'T ANSWER OR SPEAKING ON THE

10:37:10 MERITS OF THE ORDINANCE?

10:37:11 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THE ITEMS -- IT WAS DISCUSSED BRIEFLY,

10:37:17 MR. GRANDOFF, DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

10:37:20 BUT FURTHER DISCUSSION AND ANY ACTION IF COUNCIL DOES CHOOSE

10:37:24 TO TAKE IT WILL BE TAKEN UP WITH ITEM NUMBER 8.

10:37:27 THE ANSWER IS YES, BOTH.

10:37:29 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: WHY WOULDN'T WE SPEAK AT THE TIME THE ITEM

10:37:32 IS CALLED ON THE AGENDA?

10:37:35 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE THAT IS NOT SET FOR A PUBLIC

10:37:36 HEARING.

10:37:37 IT IS A LEGISLATIVE MATTER.

10:37:38 COUNCIL WILL BE TAKING UP CHANGES TO ITS RULES DOWN THE ROAD

10:37:41 VERY SHORTLY AND PERHAPS ALLOW THAT.

10:37:43 BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT'S A LEGISLATIVE MATTER THAT IS

10:37:46 ON THE CONSENT DOCKET.

10:37:48 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: SO GOING FORWARD, THE CONSIDERATION OF

10:37:51 THIS ORDINANCE WILL BE DONE BY COUNCIL, BUT PUBLIC COMMENT




10:37:57 WILL BE LIMITED TO ONLY THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF THE

10:38:00 AGENDA?

10:38:04 >>MARTIN SHELBY: TODAY, YES.

10:38:05 IF IT MOVES ON FIRST READING IT WILL BE SETTLES FOR A SECOND

10:38:08 READING AND PUBLIC HEARING WHICH WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL

10:38:11 PUBLIC HEARING WITH TESTIMONY OR COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN.

10:38:17 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: SO AT THAT SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ASSUMING

10:38:19 THAT CURSE, THEN ANY COMMENT WOULD BE MADE AT THE TIME THE

10:38:22 ITEM IS CALLED ON THE AGENDA, NOT AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT

10:38:25 SECTION?

10:38:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU MEAN AT THE SECOND -- AT THE SECOND

10:38:30 READING.

10:38:31 COUNCIL, IF IT WISHES, IF IT WISHES TO OPEN UP PUBLIC

10:38:35 COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 8 AND WISH TO WAIVE ITS RULES, CAN

10:38:39 DO SO.

10:38:39 IT CERTAINLY DOES HAVE THAT ABILITY IF IT CHOOSES.

10:38:43 YOUR OPPORTUNITY NOW, FRANKLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S

10:38:48 THE NEXT ITEM, IS IT NOT, MR. CHAIR?

10:38:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL DISCUSS THAT WITH NUMBER 8 BUT

10:38:54 RIGHT NOW CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AND DEAL WITH THE

10:38:56 REST OF IT AS IT COMES.

10:38:57 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUING FORM OR

10:39:00 SUBSTANCE BUT EITHER WAY IT'S HEARD, MY TIME WOULD BE

10:39:03 LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AND OTHER PARTIES AND THE PUBLIC

10:39:06 WOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES AS LONG AS THEY WANT TO




10:39:08 SPEAK.

10:39:09 WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME IS A FIXED TIME

10:39:14 AND THAT COULD LIMIT PUBLIC DISCOURSE ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.

10:39:18 I'M FINE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO SPEAK IN A MOMENT.

10:39:20 BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE --

10:39:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE NOW.

10:39:24 WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU YOUR TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO

10:39:26 SPEAK TO NUMBER 8 IN PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WISH.

10:39:29 AND WE'LL CONTINUE AS WE GO.

10:39:31 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, SIR.

10:39:32 THANK YOU FOR THE DIRECTION.

10:39:33 I APPRECIATE IT.

10:39:34 MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF, ADDRESS SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA

10:39:37 PLAZA SPEAKING ON NUMBER 8, THE ORDINANCE ENTITLED THE

10:39:41 INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE.

10:39:43 BEFORE DOING SO, I WANT TO CORRECT THINGS.

10:39:47 YOU WERE NOT IN A POSTURE OF A SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT

10:39:50 EVIDENCE WEIGHING PROCEDURE.

10:39:53 YOU ARE EXERCISING LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

10:39:58 YOU ARE THE LAWMAKERS OF THE CITY AND RIGHTLY SO.

10:40:01 THAT'S WHY YOU WERE ELECTED.

10:40:02 YOU HAVE BROAD DISCRETION IN PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, BROAD

10:40:05 POWER THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE ABUSED OR IMPROPERLY EXERCISED.

10:40:09 SO WHILE YOU HAVE BROAD DISCRETION IN EXERCISING YOUR

10:40:13 LEGISLATIVE POWER, I CAUTION YOU OF A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND




10:40:15 I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE ARE MANY CONTRACTS

10:40:18 THAT ARE PENDING AROUND THE CITY RIGHT NOW IN WHICH DEPOSIT

10:40:24 MONEY HAS GONE NONREFUNDABLE, SIGNIFICANT FUNDS, AND THE

10:40:28 FINAL CLOSING ON THOSE PURCHASE CONTRACTS DEPEND UPON DURING

10:40:32 THE DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD HOW MANY UNITS CAN BE DESIGNED ON

10:40:37 THE PROPERTY BASED UPON F.A.R.

10:40:40 AND THAT COULD BE 100 UNITS, AND BUT IF IT'S DESIGNED ON A

10:40:46 PER-UNIT BASIS, THAT COULD BE 70 UNITS.

10:40:49 AND I AM NOT ARGUE BEING THE 30, BUT I AM SAYING THAT YOU

10:40:52 HAVE CONTRACTS THAT DEPEND UPON UNIT COUNT, BASED UPON

10:40:56 F.A.R. AND PRO FORMAS THAT HAVE BEEN RUN.

10:40:59 ALL OF THIS GOES ASUNDER IF YOU TAKE OUT THE F.A.R. UNDER

10:41:03 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW.

10:41:06 THE SELLERS PRICE BECOMES ENDOWED.

10:41:08 THAT BECOMES NEGOTIATED, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.

10:41:11 THE PURCHASER'S PRO FORMA IS DEFINITELY IN DOUBT.

10:41:13 HOW DO YOU RENEGOTIATE A CONTRACT ONCE THIS ORDINANCE

10:41:16 BECOMES EFFECTIVE?

10:41:18 IS THE CITY COUNCIL AFFECTING THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF

10:41:21 CONTRACTS?

10:41:23 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN YOUR

10:41:25 DISCRETION.

10:41:25 YOU ARE PLACING A CHILLING EFFECT ON COMMERCE WHEN THE

10:41:28 GOVERNMENT PROPOSES TO CONTROL THE SUPPLY OF PRIVATE

10:41:31 PROPERTY, ANYTIME, THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS OR TRIES TO




10:41:35 CONTROL THE SUPPLY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY, SPECIFICALLY REAL

10:41:38 ESTATE, AND YOU CAN RUN ASUNDER OF THE CONSTITUTION,

10:41:42 ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO IT UNDER VAGUE AND SUBJECTIVE REASONS.

10:41:45 AND I SUBMIT TO YOU THIS ORDINANCE IS AN ANTI-APARTMENT

10:41:50 ORDINANCE DISGUISED AS SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT CONTROL

10:41:54 ORDINANCE.

10:41:54 I THINK THE BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU IN YOUR DISCRETION IS

10:41:58 TO TAKE A SURGICAL KNIFE AND PLACE THIS ORDINANCE EXACTLY

10:42:02 WHERE YOU WANT IT IN THE CITY ON PARCELS WHICH DO NOT HAVE

10:42:08 APPROPRIATE MUNICIPAL SUPPORT SUCH AS STORMWATER, TRAFFIC

10:42:12 IMPROVEMENTS, RIGHTS OF WAY, CLEARLY THE WESTSHORE GANDY

10:42:16 AREA, MEETS THAT TEST.

10:42:20 HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS, BUT YBOR CITY, SEMINOLE HEIGHTS,

10:42:25 TAMPA HEIGHTS, TAMPA PALMS, DO THEY BEAR THOSE BURDENS THAT

10:42:28 ARE ALL UNIQUE TO DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THE CITY?

10:42:30 I THINK IT'S BETTER TO GO ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL ANALYSIS OF

10:42:34 THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AT RISK BECAUSE OF THESE DEFICIENT

10:42:40 MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND DOWN PLAY THOSE CAN TAKE THE F.A.R.

10:42:42 OUT.

10:42:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:42:44 I APPRECIATE IT.

10:42:45 >>JOHN GRANDOFF: BUT TO DO IT CITY-WIDE I THINK IS A

10:42:47 SERIOUS ERROR AND WILL COMPROMISE COMMERCE FOR THE CITY.

10:42:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

10:42:52 >> CONNIE BURTON.




10:43:13 FIRST, I WILL SAY TO THE POINT FOR CLARIFICATION, SINCE

10:43:20 AROUND 1865 AND ON, PEOPLE STOP BEING OWNED.

10:43:28 I AM JUST HOPING THAT WE ARE JUST MAKING A MISSTEP BECAUSE

10:43:36 MEMBERS OF THIS DESIGN, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT OUR

10:43:39 INTERESTS.

10:43:40 AND SO OWNERSHIP PART IN THAT YOU WOULD BE LISTENING, PAYING

10:43:46 ATTENTION TO THE ISSUES OF THE COMMUNITY AND MOVING SO

10:43:51 RESPECTFULLY THAT WE KNOW, WE WOULD KNOW THAT WE ARE GETTING

10:43:55 PROPER REPRESENTATION AS OPPOSED TO OWNERSHIP.

10:44:00 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO STATE THAT IT'S VERY TROUBLING TO SEE

10:44:05 THIS MORNING AS WELL THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE HAD

10:44:08 TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORKSHOPS, TALKING ABOUT THE SCORECARD

10:44:12 OF TAMPA, AND THE WAY IN WHICH WE CAN ADVANCE ALL TO MOVE

10:44:16 FORWARD, THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND

10:44:21 THIS MORNING.

10:44:24 FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES RECEIVED A PROMOTION, BUT WHAT YOU

10:44:29 RECEIVED THIS MORNING IS YOUR BODY NOT HAVING CONFIDENCE.

10:44:35 AND THE REASON WHY THE CONFIDENCE IS LACKING IS BECAUSE OF

10:44:38 THE APPLICATION OF MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA IS

10:44:43 TREATED FAIRLY, AND THAT WE ARE NOT FORGOTTEN.

10:44:47 THAT IS WHAT IT SPOKE TO ME THIS MORNING.

10:44:50 AND AS WE CONTINUE TO HEAR PEOPLE NOT WANTING CERTAIN THINGS

10:44:53 IN THEIR BACKYARD, THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO ASK

10:44:58 FOR THE VERY SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER WHETHER THEY ARE

10:45:01 SITTING UNDER A TREE, STANDING ON THE CORNER, IN THEIR




10:45:04 PRIVATE HOMES, LOOKING FOR WAYS IN WHICH EAST TAMPA CAN BE

10:45:09 BROUGHT UP TO A LIFESTYLE, THAT EVERYONE IN EAST TAMPA THAT

10:45:15 WANTS TO REMAIN IN EAST TAMPA CAN SEE VALUE AND DIGNITY IN

10:45:19 THEIR LIVES.

10:45:20 WE DON'T SEE IT.

10:45:22 27 SCHOOLS IS CRUMBLING OR FAILING.

10:45:25 HOUSES THAT A SIMPLE REHAB CAN CURE A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.

10:45:30 AND THEY KEEP ON GETTING PUSHED BACK BECAUSE IT'S NOT A

10:45:34 POLITICAL FAVOR TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

10:45:39 BUT WE ARE PAYING RING ATTENTION, AND IT IS VERY

10:45:43 DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR FORMER CHAIR TALK ABOUT HOW EAST TAMPA

10:45:47 IS STUCK IN TIME, AND THE MOMENT YOU CAN ACTIVATE IT, YOU

10:45:51 WON'T DO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TO YOUR POLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

10:45:56 WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

10:45:57 THANK YOU.

10:45:57 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MS. BURTON.

10:46:02 MR. CARLSON, I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU BUT I HAVE TO SAY

10:46:09 SOMETHING, BUT I HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

10:46:10 >>BILL CARLSON: MS. BURTON, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

10:46:14 I THINK THAT'S POSITIVE COMMENT IT L.

10:46:16 BUT I WANT YOU TO LEGALITY EVERYBODY KNOW I AM FINE NOT

10:46:19 BEING CHAIR.

10:46:19 I APPRECIATE THE NOMINATION.

10:46:21 BUT IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF STRESS AND I AM SURE

10:46:23 THAT CHAIR CITRO WILL DO A GREAT JOB, AND I APPRECIATE THE




10:46:27 VOTE OF CONFIDENCE BY THE VICE CHAIR AND STEPPING IN WHEN

10:46:31 HE'S NOT AROUND.

10:46:32 THANK YOU.

10:46:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:46:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO?

10:46:45 >> NO, YOU CAN SPEAK.

10:46:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S TROUBLING WHEN I HEAR THAT THINGS ARE

10:46:53 NOT HAPPENING IN DISTRICT 5.

10:46:55 AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE.

10:46:57 I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE A LOT OF THINGS TO MOVE

10:47:00 DISTRICT 5.

10:47:01 IT MATE NOT BE TO THE TOTAL LIKING OF SOME.

10:47:05 >> NAME THEM.

10:47:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S MY TIME, MS. BURTON.

10:47:12 >> NAME THEM.

10:47:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT MAY NOT BE LIKING TO SOME BUT IT IS A

10:47:16 LIKING TO OTHERS.

10:47:18 BUT DISTRICT 5 HAS A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

10:47:20 AS YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL KNOWS THAT FROM DAY ONE, I PUT

10:47:23 TOGETHER HOUSES -- I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REHAB FROM DAY

10:47:29 ONE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A REHAB PROGRAM THAT'S

10:47:34 GETTING GEARED UP.

10:47:35 SO THINGS THAT ARE ADVOCATING, MS. BURTON, ARE BEING HEARD.

10:47:39 THIS IS GOVERNMENT.

10:47:40 SOMETIMES IT TAKES TIME.




10:47:41 SOMETIMES THIS COUNCIL GETS MOVE THAT IT DOESN'T MOVE AS

10:47:44 FAST.

10:47:44 WE GET FRUSTRATED AS WELL.

10:47:46 BUT I WANT TO ASSURE YOU AND EVERYONE IN DISTRICT 5 THAT

10:47:49 THIS COUNCILMAN IS WORKING EVERY DAY FOR DISTRICT 5.

10:47:52 I AM OUT THERE EVERY DAY, AND SO ARE MY COLLEAGUES, WHEN I

10:47:55 MAKE THESE MOTIONS TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN.

10:47:57 THEY MAY SEEM TO MOVE A LITTLE SLOW BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU

10:48:01 THEY ARE MOVING AND WE ARE GOING TO GET THINGS MOVING ALONG

10:48:03 IN DISTRICT 5.

10:48:04 I CAN GIVE THAT YOU COMMITMENT TODAY, AND TO THOSE WHO ARE

10:48:06 LISTENING WHO R WHO MAY NOT UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE

10:48:09 PARAMETERS OF POLICY MAKING DECISIONS AS DEALS WITH

10:48:13 GOVERNMENT MONEY, AS DEALS WITH A LOT OF STAFFING, BUT I CAN

10:48:16 ASSURE YOU, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOU'RE COMMENT

10:48:19 BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE AND YOU HAVE A BLESSED TODAY.

10:48:22 >> I CAN'T BE BLESSED UNTIL OUR COMMUNITY IS BLESSED.

10:48:25 THANK YOU.

10:48:26 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:49:14 >> GOOD MORNING.

10:49:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME.

10:49:25 >> MY NAME IS ANTONIO ALVAREZ.

10:49:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ARE YOU HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, MA'AM?

10:49:39 >> INTERPRETER:

10:49:46 (SPEAKING SPANISH).




10:49:48 >> I AM HERE FOR AN INFRACTION.

10:49:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE NOT HERE READY FOR ITEM NUMBER 67

10:49:56 YET.

10:49:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I MAY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE STAFF HAS

10:50:00 NOTIFIED ME THAT THIS IS A REQUEST OF, I BELIEVE, AND WE CAN

10:50:07 CONFIRM THIS, TO WITHDRAW THAT, IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE,

10:50:10 THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADVANCE THAT TO ALLOW THIS

10:50:15 GENTS TO TAKE IT UP BECAUSE IT IS SET FOR 9:30 AND IT IS

10:50:20 AFTER 9:30.

10:50:21 WE CAN HOLD THIS ITEM AND THEN ADVANCE IT RATHER THAN HAVE

10:50:23 HIM WAIT UNTIL ALL THE WAY UP TO ITEM NUMBER 67.

10:50:29 WHAT NUMBER IS THE REVIEW HEARING?

10:50:32 >> ITEM NUMBER 67.

10:50:34 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 67.

10:50:36 I'M SORRY.

10:50:36 THAT'S 10:30.

10:50:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THERE A REQUEST TO WITHDRAW, MA'AM?

10:50:47 (SPEAKING SPANISH).

10:50:49 INTERPRETER: YES, I HAVE A PETITION TO TAKE OUT THE LITTLE

10:50:55 END.

10:50:59 (SPEAKING SPANISH).

10:51:03 INTERPRETER: AND SINCE 2020.

10:51:10 I ASK TO AMPLIFY THE DESIGN THAT I HAVE DONE FOR --

10:51:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO -- WE ARE

10:51:20 OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT WITHDRAWING IT SO WE HAVE TO WAIT




10:51:23 UNTIL THAT HEARING.

10:51:26 WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THAT HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER 67.

10:51:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND MAYBE IF STAFF IS LISTENING TO THIS

10:51:35 THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADVISE COUNCIL.

10:51:38 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

10:51:43 SO THE PETITIONER, MR. ALVAREZ, IS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL

10:51:48 REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 67, WHICH IS THE DE 1-21-17 FOR

10:51:54 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2704 WEST KATHLEEN STREET.

10:51:57 IN PREPARATION FOR THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW HEARING IT WAS

10:52:01 BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION THAT THE PETITIONER IS

10:52:04 DEMOLISHING OR HAS 95% COMPLETE THE DEMOLITION REGARDING THE

10:52:11 STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE BASIS FOR

10:52:14 THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.

10:52:18 CITY STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S ALREADY LOGGED ONTO THE

10:52:27 LINK FOR THIS ITEM, BUT THE CITY WAS INFORMED THIS MORNING

10:52:32 THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE WALL LEFT REMAINING THAT NEEDS TO BE

10:52:36 TAKEN DOWN FROM THE PETITIONER, BUT BASED ON THE INFORMATION

10:52:41 THAT WAS RECEIVED REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE SHED AND THE

10:52:44 DEMOLITION OF THE SHED --

10:52:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT DOES STAFF WANT TO DO?

10:52:49 WE ARE NOT THERE YET.

10:52:50 WHAT DOES STAFF WANT TO DO WITH THIS?

10:52:55 WE ARE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:52:58 RIGHT NOW WE ARE STILL IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:53:00 WE ARE NOT AN ITEM 67 YET.




10:53:02 SO WE ARE ASKING WAS THE GENTLEMAN TRYING TO WITHDRAW, OR

10:53:05 ASK STAFF A CLARIFICATION?

10:53:07 LET ME KNOW WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE IS.

10:53:11 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THE PETITIONER COULD STATE WHETHER

10:53:13 OR NOT HE WANTS TO WITHDRAW THE PETITION FOR REVIEW HEARING.

10:53:16 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF THAT'S THE CASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I

10:53:19 SUGGEST WE HOLD THIS UNTIL WE COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT, IF WE

10:53:22 WANT TO ADVANCE THIS THING, WE CAN DO SO, SO THEY CANNOT

10:53:25 HAVE TO STAY FOR THE, TO STAY ON TIME.

10:53:30 BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOT BEEN OPENED.

10:53:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.

10:53:39 I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST HOLD IT, MR.

10:53:42 SHELBY, IS YOUR ADVICE, 67, UNTIL WE OPEN THOSE PUBLIC

10:53:46 HEARINGS, CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:53:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND YOU CAN ADVANCE IT, AGAIN, EVEN AHEAD

10:53:51 OF THE SECOND READINGS IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, IT'S

10:53:55 AFTER 9:30.

10:53:56 IT'S AFTER 10:30. BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO RESOLVE THIS

10:53:59 NOW DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:54:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CORRECT.

10:54:03 MA'AM, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'LL DECIDE IF WE ARE GOING TO

10:54:06 OPEN IT UP AND BRING IT BACK FIRST.

10:54:08 AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:54:12 IT WILL BE VERY SHORTLY.

10:54:21 YES, SIR, MR. MIRANDA.




10:54:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SENOR?

10:54:28 (SPEAKING SPANISH)

10:54:30 >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

10:54:41 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA.

10:54:44 WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

10:54:45 HOW MANY MORE DO WE HAVE DOWN THERE?

10:54:47 >>THE CLERK: NO MORE SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.

10:55:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

10:55:08 DEPUTY CLERK?

10:55:09 >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE ANDREW MOORE.

10:55:12 ANDREW, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND

10:55:16 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:55:16 >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

10:55:22 CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEWLY-ELECTED OFFICES.

10:55:27 I'M CONCERNED, I REPRESENT GOLD ON HEIGHTS DISTRICT, 1901 IN

10:55:33 BEAUMONT HEIGHTS AND THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIC

10:55:36 ASSOCIATION THERE.

10:55:37 WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS NEW -- AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF

10:55:42 THIS AGENDA ITEM 77, IS ALLOWING TPD TO GO AHEAD AND TICKET

10:55:48 SOME INFRACTIONS WITH COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT, COMMERCIAL

10:55:52 VEHICLES PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:55:53 FOR THREE YEARS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS LOBBIED CITY STAFF,

10:55:57 CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TO STOP THIS

10:56:02 COMMERCIAL PARKING THAT KEEPS HAPPENING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD

10:56:05 AND FOR THREE YEARS WE WERE TOLD, OH, CITY STAFF OR CODE




10:56:10 ENFORCEMENT CAN'T ENFORCE THIS ISSUE.

10:56:13 AND THEN IN TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM I READ THE REPORT FROM THE

10:56:16 CITY ATTORNEY THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABLE

10:56:20 TO ENFORCE ON THIS, AND I AM CONCERNED THAT EVEN IF WE

10:56:24 ALLOWED TAMPA PD THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET A LACKADAISICAL

10:56:30 RESPONSE FROM BOTH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TAMPA PD TO ENFORCE

10:56:35 ON THIS.

10:56:35 I ALWAYS WANT TO STATE THAT THE CODE IS VERY CLEAR THAT IT

10:56:39 HAS TO BE A -- WHEN COMMERCIAL VEHICLES COME INTO A

10:56:42 NEIGHBORHOOD THEY HAVE TO BE DOING WORK ON THE SAME

10:56:45 RESIDENTIAL LOT.

10:56:46 THE OPERATORS OF VEHICLES HAVE TO BE AT A JOB SITE OUR AT

10:56:51 THEIR HOME AND IT'S KNOW IT APPROPRIATE FOR THESE COMMERCIAL

10:56:53 VEHICLES TO JUST PARK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO USE OUR

10:56:57 NEIGHBORHOOD AS PUBLIC PARKING FOR THEIR BUSINESSES.

10:57:01 THEY ARE EITHER AT A JOB SITE, NOR ARE THEY AT AN PRIORITIES

10:57:06 OF A VEHICLE'S HOME.

10:57:08 AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS.

10:57:10 I DO WANT COUNCIL TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE, AND I AM IN FAVOR

10:57:12 OF IT.

10:57:13 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN FAVOR OF IT.

10:57:15 WE ARE JUST CONCERNED.

10:57:16 WE DON'T WANT TO JUST BE THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT PASSING THE

10:57:20 BUCK TO TPD AND IT GOES DOWN ANOTHER RABBIT HOLE OF

10:57:24 NONENFORCEMENT.




10:57:25 WE MET WITH OCEA WYNN IN THE PAST.

10:57:28 SHE'S AWARE OF OUR ISSUES.

10:57:29 WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO HER SEVERAL TIMES AND HEARD NO

10:57:34 RESPONSE ON THESE ISSUES.

10:57:35 WE WOULD LIKE OCEA TO REACH BACK OUT TO US AND CONTINUE TO

10:57:40 WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO IT CAN BE PROPERLY ENFORCED ON

10:57:43 THE COMMERCIAL PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:57:48 COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

10:57:52 YOU MAY REMEMBER, I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL A DUMB OF WEEKS

10:57:55 AGO THAT SHOWED PICTURES OF THIS ENFORCEMENT HAPPENING IN

10:57:57 OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE WERE HAVING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

10:58:02 IF THAT REFRESHES YOUR MEMORY, PLEASE LOOK AT THOSE E-MAILS

10:58:05 AGAIN AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE PICTURES IN THERE WHERE WE

10:58:09 HAD COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

10:58:12 THEY ARE NOT AT A JOB SITE AND NOT AT THE OPERATOR'S HOME

10:58:18 THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE DEFINITION.

10:58:19 THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.

10:58:20 WE APPRECIATE YOU HEARING OUR ISSUES.

10:58:22 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE JEAN

10:58:27 STROHMEYER.

10:58:28 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

10:58:31 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:58:52 JEAN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE?

10:58:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S GO TO THE NEXT CALLER AND THEN WE'LL

10:59:02 COME BACK.




10:59:02 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

10:59:08 CAROL, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

10:59:11 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

10:59:12 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, A LIFE-LONG RESIDENT OF

10:59:16 SOUTH TAMPA.

10:59:17 FIRST I WANT TO COMMEND MR. MANISCALCO ON THE EXCELLENCE JOB

10:59:22 HE DID UNDER YOUR HELM, FRANKLY, AND I WANT TO SAY MR.

10:59:30 GUDES, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU BEFORE YOU WERE ELECTED, I HAVE NO

10:59:33 IDEA REALLY WHAT TO EXPECT FROM YOU, BUT YOU HAVE PROVEN

10:59:37 THROUGH YOUR VOTING RECORD THAT YOU ARE UNASHAMEDLY AND

10:59:42 ADAMANTLY PRO NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT THE SAFETY OF THE

10:59:46 RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA IS YOUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN,

10:59:50 AND I AM VERY HAPPY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE CHAIR, AND

10:59:53 YOU CERTAINLY DESERVE THE POSITION.

10:59:55 I'M SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 8.

10:59:58 I DO NOT WANT IT DELAYED.

11:00:00 THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON AND ON AND ON.

11:00:02 AND IT NEED TO BE RESOLVED TODAY.

11:00:05 AND FRANKLY, THE WHOLE SITUATION WITH THE BAR HAS JUST BEEN

11:00:12 COMPLETELY EXAGGERATED IN MY OPINION, MISREPRESENTED.

11:00:15 THIS ONLY AFFECTS A NARROW SLICE OF PROPERTIES.

11:00:25 IF THEY ALREADY HAVE THE ZONING THEY NEED, THEY JUST PULL

11:00:28 THE PERMITS.

11:00:29 IT ONLY AFFECTS IF IT'S SINGLE USE AND NOT MIXED USE.

11:00:34 THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE AREA, MR. MICHELINI SHOWED YOU, ISN'T




11:00:38 REALLY THE WHOLE PICTURE BECAUSE SO MANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES

11:00:42 WOULD NOT BE ACTUALLY AFFECTED.

11:00:44 IN ADDITION, ABBYE FEELEY TESTIFIED THAT THE F.A.R. IS NOT

11:00:50 BEING USED AS IT WAS INTENDED.

11:00:52 IT WAS INTENDED FOR NONRESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

11:00:55 THE BONUS DENSITY IS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS.

11:00:59 AND NONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS MENTIONED TO YOU

11:01:02 THE FACT THAT THEY GO STILL GET THE EXCESS DENSITY THEY WANT

11:01:06 AS LONG AS THEY USE BONUS DENSITY.

11:01:08 THE PROBLEM IS FOR THEM IS THE BONUS DENSITY REQUIRES THEM

11:01:12 TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH FREE AMENITIES AND THAT'S GOING TO

11:01:16 COST THEM SOME MONEY, SO AS ABBEY STATED THEY ARE TRYING TO

11:01:21 DO AN END RUN AROUND PROVIDING THESE DENSITIES AND GET THE

11:01:25 BONUS DENSITY FOR FREE.

11:01:26 SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISINGENUOUS OBJECTION HERE.

11:01:32 YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING WE WANTED.

11:01:34 LIKE I SAID, IT'S MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING AND I THINK THE

11:01:39 MAYOR SUPPORTS THIS.

11:01:40 THERE'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH ABOUT PENDING ORDINANCE, AND

11:01:42 ORDINANCE, A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME, AND WE WANT THIS EVEN

11:01:49 THOUGH IT'S FAR SHORT OF WHAT WE REALLY NEED.

11:01:52 WE HAVE A PROPERTY SOON HAS THE POTENTIAL OF PUTTING 4200

11:01:58 APARTMENT UNITS IF THEY USE F.A.R.

11:02:02 THAT IS MORE THAN DOUBLING THE CURRENT POPULATION OF

11:02:08 MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THAT SMALL 4.5-ACRE AREA.




11:02:13 SO THE F.A.R. DOES HAVE AN EFFECT, AND IT'S BEING MISUSED.

11:02:17 I ASK YOU TO PLEASE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION.

11:02:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:02:24 >>THE CLERK: WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO JEAN STROHMEYER.

11:02:29 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:02:31 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:02:36 MS. STROHMEYER, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:02:46 YOU ARE SELF-MUTED.

11:02:55 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S GO TO NUMBER 4 AND WE WILL GO BACK

11:02:59 TO MS. STROHMEYER.

11:03:00 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIE POYNOR.

11:03:05 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:03:06 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:03:07 >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM S.IT MUST BE A TECHNICAL

11:03:11 ISSUE.

11:03:11 BUT SHE KNOWS AND SHE'S TRYING TO GET ON.

11:03:14 GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN.

11:03:15 CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW POSITIONS WITH TAMPA CITY

11:03:19 COUNCIL.

11:03:20 I ASK YOU TO INDULGE ME FOR JUST A MINUTE.

11:03:23 I HAVE A BROKEN LEG.

11:03:24 IT'S JUST TOO MUCH FOR ME TO COME DOWN THIS EARLY IN THE

11:03:26 MORNING.

11:03:27 I AM NOT ABLE TO PUT THE VISUAL ON PAPER, SO JUST FOR A

11:03:31 SECOND.




11:03:34 WEST OF DALE MABRY IS APPROXIMATELY 4.5 SQUARE MILES.

11:03:40 WRITE THIS DOWN.

11:03:41 THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART.

11:03:43 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES, 4350.

11:03:50 APARTMENTS SINCE 2016, 4,027.

11:03:56 11-14-19 WAS MY FIRST APPEARANCE WITH YOU FOR MY COMMUNITY,

11:04:03 538 DAYS AGO.

11:04:04 FROM 2016 UNTIL 11-14-2019, THERE WERE 2748 APARTMENTS

11:04:12 APPROVED IN OUR 4.5 SQUARE MILE AREA.

11:04:19 THAT'S 2.36 APARTMENTS PER DAY THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO OUR

11:04:23 COMMUNITY.

11:04:24 THAT'S 282 SQUARE UNITS PER SQUARE MILE.

11:04:31 THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HERE BEFORE THAT.

11:04:34 THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ONES ON THE FUTURE AGENDAS, THE

11:04:37 ONES THAT THAT THE DEVELOPERS DON'T NEED TO BRING IN FRONT

11:04:40 OF YOU, THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED YET.

11:04:42 WE STILL HAVE 1200 THAT ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THIS SUMMER.

11:04:46 SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ONES WHO WERE SUBMITTED

11:04:49 BEFORE YOU GUYS EVER SAT IN THOSE SEATS WILL LOOK LIKE.

11:04:55 YOU TELL ME WHAT IT MEANS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR OUR

11:04:58 COMMUNITY, WHAT IT MEANS TO OUR CULTURE.

11:05:01 I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE LAWYERS ON THIS

11:05:04 ONE.

11:05:05 WE NEVER WANTED THIS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

11:05:08 WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SOG.




11:05:10 THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT WE ARE EXPERTS IN.

11:05:15 WE ACCORDING TO THE RULES PRESENTED ARE THE ONLY EXPERTS FOR

11:05:18 OUR COMMUNITY, SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE OTHER DESIGNATIONS

11:05:22 TO BE FOR THE CITY.

11:05:25 BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHY SOG, SOUTH OF EUCLID, WHATEVER YOU

11:05:31 WANT TO CALL IT, CAN'T HAVE ITS OWN DESIGNATION.

11:05:36 WE ARE A DEAD-END.

11:05:37 WE ARE SO UNIQUE.

11:05:38 WE ARE ABUTTING ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DOD

11:05:42 FACILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE AREA WITH TWO FOUR STAR COMMANDS

11:05:46 WHICH EMPLOY 24,000 PEOPLE.

11:05:49 WE HAVE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE SUPPLYING

11:05:51 FUEL AND CHEMICALS FOR OUR WATER FACILITIES, TO A LARGE PART

11:05:55 OF OUR REGION.

11:05:57 WE ARE A MAIN EVACUATION ROUTE FOR PINELLAS COUNTY.

11:06:02 YET WE ARE AREN'T CONSIDERED TO BE UNIQUE ENOUGH WITH FOCUS

11:06:07 ON US, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

11:06:08 THE F.A.R. IS JUST A BOX OF 48 CRAYONS THAT THE DEVELOPERS

11:06:15 HAVE.

11:06:15 THEY STILL HAVE A WHITE CRAYON, A BLACK CRAYON, IN ADDITION

11:06:18 TO THE OTHER 45 COLORS.

11:06:20 THE F.A.R. SITUATION ONLY IMPACTS THREE DEVELOPMENT AREAS,

11:06:24 THE F.A.R. SITUATION DOESN'T IMPACT MR. CITRO'S BELOVED

11:06:27 MIXED REVIEW, THE F.A.R. SITUATION DOESN'T TAKE THE

11:06:32 DEVELOPERS ABILITY TO USE BONUS ABILITY, THE F.A.R.




11:06:35 SITUATION IS SO SMALL THAT WE DON'T EVEN LIKE IT, BUT WE

11:06:38 HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

11:06:39 PLEASE VOTE YES ON ITEM NUMBER 8 AND ALSO -- GO WITH GO

11:06:46 THANK YOU.

11:06:47 >> FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

11:06:48 NUMBER 74.

11:06:49 THANK YOU.

11:06:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:06:51 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE SHAUN BROWN.

11:06:55 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE

11:06:58 THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:06:58 >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.

11:07:02 CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME?

11:07:04 >> YES.

11:07:06 >> IS THAT A YES?

11:07:09 >> YES, SIR.

11:07:09 >> FIRST OFF I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR YOUR

11:07:12 LEADERSHIP LAST YEAR.

11:07:15 IT WAS A YEAR FROM HELL.

11:07:16 AND COUNCILMAN GUDES, CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING ELECTED

11:07:22 CHAIRMAN, DEFINITELY WELL DESERVING AND IT HAS BEEN A

11:07:24 PLEASURE TO GET TO NONYOU DURING THIS TIME AS WE TALK ABOUT

11:07:28 VARIOUS ISSUES.

11:07:29 CERTAINLY I AM SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 8.

11:07:31 AND FIRST OFF, I DO AGREE WITH THE OTHER STEPHANIE AND




11:07:36 CARROLL ANN AND THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE A DELAY, WE WANT

11:07:40 THIS ISSUE SETTLED NOW.

11:07:41 IT'S BEEN FAR TOO LONG IN THE MAKING.

11:07:44 THAT BEING SAID, APRIL 12TH, THERE WAS A MEMO THAT CAME IN

11:07:50 AT THE APRIL 15th MEETING AND IN THAT MEMO IT SAYS THAT,

11:07:55 YOU KNOW, IN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT

11:07:58 CITY COUNCIL FORMALLY ADOPT THE ATTACHED DEVELOPMENT CONTROL

11:08:01 ORDINANCE, AND SO THE FACT IS THAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THE

11:08:07 CITY IS FOR THIS.

11:08:08 THE CITY HAS RECOGNIZED THE PROBLEM.

11:08:11 MS. FEELEY TESTIFIED ON APRIL 15th THAT F.A.R. IS BEING

11:08:16 ABUSED.

11:08:17 SHE REFERENCED A PROJECT THAT IS OUT THERE TRYING TO GO FROM

11:08:22 CMU-35, 35 UNITS PER ACRE LOOKING AT OVER 100 UNITS PER

11:08:27 ACRE.

11:08:28 AND FOR US, DOWN SOUTH OF GANDY, WE HAVE GOT POTENTIAL

11:08:32 36-ACRE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN SOLD TO A DEVELOPER AND THEY

11:08:35 CAN PUT IN ALMOST 4500 MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS.

11:08:40 THEY CAN PUT 4500 APARTMENTS.

11:08:43 IF THEY USE THE F.A.R. UNDER THE CURRENT GUIDELINES.

11:08:47 THAT'S A PROBLEM.

11:08:48 AND SO IT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

11:08:51 IT'S TIME TO CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN

11:08:54 ABLE TO USE.

11:08:56 THAT'S THE FACT.




11:08:56 THE FACT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE THIS FOR FREE.

11:08:59 CLOSING A LOOPHOLE IS GOING TO COST THEM MONEY.

11:09:01 I GET IT NO ONE LIKES TO SPEND MONEY.

11:09:03 NO ONE LIKES TO LOSE MONEY. IN THEIR DAYS THEY WON'T LOSE

11:09:07 MONEY, THEY JUST HAVE TO SHELL OUT A LITTLE MORE.

11:09:14 THEY DESERVE A RIGHT TO HAVE MIXED USE AND THE THING IS THEY

11:09:17 CAN USE F.A.R.

11:09:19 THEY CAN USE F.A.R. IF THEY PAY EXTRA FOR BONUS DENSITY.

11:09:22 IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.

11:09:23 IT'S NOT STOPPING DEVELOPMENT.

11:09:25 THIS ISN'T A MORATORIUM.

11:09:26 NO DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GET STOPPED.

11:09:28 THE FACT IS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING A

11:09:33 LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY.

11:09:34 THAT'S ALL.

11:09:35 AND THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR.

11:09:37 THE CITY DESERVES MORE, AND IF THESE DEVELOPERS 2021 TRULY

11:09:40 PARTNER WITH US, THEN THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO INVEST AND

11:09:45 LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS AND DO IT SMARTLY AND SAFELY.

11:09:48 AND ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE IN THAT AS WELL.

11:09:51 THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

11:09:51 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

11:09:52 BY THE WAY, I DO AGREE WITH THE IMPACT FEES.

11:09:55 ITEM NUMBER 54.

11:09:57 THANK YOU.




11:09:57 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE DAVID MECHANIK.

11:10:01 DAVID, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND

11:10:03 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:10:07 >>DAVID MECHANIK: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

11:10:09 MY NAME IS DAVID MECHANIK.

11:10:11 I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF VIPER VENTURES, WHICH IS A PROPERTY

11:10:16 OWNER ON RATTLESNAKE POINT, WHICH IS SOUTH OF GANDY.

11:10:23 I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINTED OUT -- AND I WILL TRY TO BE

11:10:26 BRIEF AS WE DISCUSSED THESE ISSUES BEFORE -- BUT THERE IS

11:10:31 SIMPLY NO FINDING OF AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THESE

11:10:37 REGULATIONS ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, SO ON AN IMMEDIATE BASIS.

11:10:43 CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS NEW REGULATIONS ALL THE TIME, BUT IT IS

11:10:50 RARE, IF EVER, THAT COUNCIL IMPOSES THOSE REGULATIONS ON A

11:10:56 SHORT TERM BASIS WHERE YOU GO THROUGH TREMENDOUS PROFIT.

11:11:03 I THINK IT'S A VERY CONCERNING PRECEDENT FOR YOU TO DO

11:11:10 REGULATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THE AMENDMENT

11:11:12 PROCESS.

11:11:13 I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE REGULATION THAT IS

11:11:18 BEING PROPOSED TO GO INTO EFFECT ON JUNE 1st HASN'T HAD

11:11:22 THE FIRST HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY

11:11:28 COUNCIL, AND YET THE REGULATIONS THAT YOU INTEND TO IMPOSE

11:11:33 ON JUNE 1st AREN'T THE SAME LANGUAGE.

11:11:39 WHO IS TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT LANGUAGE WILL BE THE SAME

11:11:42 WHEN YOU BRING IT THROUGH THE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS?

11:11:45 THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING HEARINGS FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT IS




11:11:49 TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, AND TO GET INPUT, AND IT'S QUITE

11:11:54 LIKELY THAT YOU WILL BE MAKING CHANGES TO THAT LANGUAGE.

11:11:58 SO WHY WOULD YOU IMPOSE A REGULATION ON JUNE 1st WHEN

11:12:03 YOU.

11:12:04 GONE THROUGH ANY PROCESS TO CONSIDER THESE AMENDMENTS?

11:12:08 AND I WOULD JUST RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST, WHILE WE HAVE NO

11:12:16 CONCERN ADMINISTERING THE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE DO HAVE

11:12:19 CONCERNS WITH THE IDEA OF PUTTING THIS IN EFFECT ON JUNE

11:12:23 1st.

11:12:23 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:12:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:12:27 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE RANDY COEN.

11:12:30 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:12:32 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:12:33 >>RANDY COEN: I AM UNMUTED. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THE

11:12:40 SCREEN TO PROVIDE AN EXHIBIT.

11:12:55 IS IT UP?

11:12:57 THANK YOU.

11:12:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN'T SHOW THE VISUALS?

11:13:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT REMOTELY, COUNCIL.

11:13:05 BUT IS HE LOGGED IN, MADAM CLERK?

11:13:07 >> YES.

11:13:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON VIDEO, I MEAN?

11:13:10 IF YOU LOGGED IN ON VIDEO ON GO-TO MEETING.

11:13:14 >> CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN?




11:13:27 HELLO?

11:13:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, GO AHEAD.

11:13:32 >> I'M SORRY.

11:13:32 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:13:33 THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT WAS PREPARED FOR THE PLANNING -- BY

11:13:37 THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON BEHALF OF A REQUEST FROM THE

11:13:39 WESTSHORE ALLIANCE.

11:13:40 BUT YOU SEE THE PURPLE, THE PINK AND THE RED ARE ALL OF THE

11:13:46 LAND USE DESIGNATED PARCELS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE

11:13:50 MORATORIUM.

11:13:51 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS INCLUDES ALL OF KENNEDY

11:13:54 BOULEVARD TO THE EAST-WEST, NORTH, SOUTH, ALL OF KENNEDY

11:13:58 BOULEVARD, WATERS AVENUE, ALL OF BUSCH BOULEVARD, A GOOD

11:14:03 DEAL OF HOWLER AVENUE, A GOOD DEAL OF BUSCH BOULEVARD, I

11:14:12 ALREADY SAID THAT, FLORIDA AVENUE, ARMENIA, GREAT PORTIONS

11:14:16 OF DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.

11:14:18 BUT THEN THESE ROADS ARE BASICALLY ALL OF THE PRIMARY

11:14:21 TRANSIT CORRIDORS THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED AND HAS BROUGHT

11:14:29 THROUGH THE COMP PLAN TO INCREASE DENSITIES IN THESE AREAS

11:14:33 TO SUPPORT TRANSIT.

11:14:35 THE MORATORIUM AS PROPOSED WOULD RESULT IN ANY PARCEL BEING

11:14:41 REZONED ON ANY OF THESE CORRIDORS TO BE REDUCED IN THE

11:14:46 DEVELOPMENT BY 15% TO 50% OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.

11:14:50 I THINK THAT KIND OF FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE

11:14:54 PLAN AND IS INCONSISTENT.




11:14:56 I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS ACTION WOULD ALSO AFFECT

11:15:00 NEW TAMPA.

11:15:01 THIS IS THE CORE OF NEW TAMPA AND BRUCE B. DOWNS AND I-75.

11:15:06 WOULD RESTRICT SUCH DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

11:15:08 MOVING DOWN TO THIS AREA, YOU CAN SEE THAT VIRTUALLY ALL OF

11:15:12 YBOR CITY NORTH OF OR SOUTH OF 8th AVENUE WOULD BE

11:15:17 AFFECTED BY THIS MORATORIUM.

11:15:20 AS WOULD ROCKY POINT OUT IN THIS AREA WHICH IS VIRTUALLY ALL

11:15:24 AFFECTED BY THIS MORATORIUM.

11:15:26 WE ALSO HAVE THE FACT THAT, AS WE INDICATED BEFORE, TWO OF

11:15:31 THE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE

11:15:34 PLAN BEING THE USF AREA AND THE WESTSHORE AREA ARE

11:15:38 SUBSTANTIALLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROPOSED MORATORIUM.

11:15:42 SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT AS PROPOSED, THERE'S A

11:15:46 NUMBER OF INCIDENTAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR

11:15:55 MORATORIUM PROPOSAL.

11:15:57 SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS IS CONTINUED, AND FURTHER WORK,

11:16:02 AND THAT THE FOCUS OF SOUTH OF GANDY OR SOMEWHERE IN THAT

11:16:06 AREA, THAT THIS MORATORIUM BE LIMITED TO THAT GEOGRAPHIC

11:16:10 AREA RATHER THAN BEING A SHOTGUN APPROACH WHICH EFFECTS

11:16:16 NUMEROUS PARCELS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND SUBSTANTIAL

11:16:19 IMPACTS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN EVALUATED, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

11:16:23 AND THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

11:16:26 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:16:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.




11:16:29 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS ELISE BATSEL.

11:16:35 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:16:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO TO NUMBER 9 AND WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.

11:16:53 >>ELISE BATSEL: GOOD MORNING.

11:16:55 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

11:16:57 I'M SORRY.

11:17:03 STEARNS WEAVER, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:17:04 I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.

11:17:07 THE MORATORIUM BEFORE YOU STARTED AS AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS

11:17:11 PERCEIVED PROBLEMS SUCH AS TRAFFIC AND OTHER ISSUES SOUTH OF

11:17:14 GANDY.

11:17:15 MANY OF US ENCOURAGED COUNCIL VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO

11:17:18 LET STAFF DO ACTUAL STUDIES TO COME UP WITH DATA TO FORM

11:17:24 PROPER RESOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

11:17:27 THIS COUNCIL DIRECTED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK TO

11:17:30 COUNCIL WITH A MORATORIUM.

11:17:31 AND IN A WAY WE HAVE BEEN ALL BEEN SPINNING OUR WHEELS EVER

11:17:34 SINCE.

11:17:35 THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO FOLLOW YOUR

11:17:38 INSTRUCTIONS AND TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A DEFENSIBLE ORDINANCE,

11:17:42 SO THE SOG ISSUE HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO A CITY-WIDE MORATORIUM

11:17:47 WITH SIGNIFICANT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

11:17:50 AS MR. COEN STATED THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU WOULD ENCOURAGE

11:17:55 DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREAS WHEREBY WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE

11:17:58 DEVELOPMENT ALONG INTERSECTIONS AND TRANSIT CORRIDORS.




11:18:01 I WOULD -- I WOULD ENCOURAGE TO YOU VOTE ON THE CITY-WIDE

11:18:07 MORATORIUM UP OR DOWN TODAY.

11:18:10 IF IT DOESN'T PASS, AND STAFF COMES BACK TO YOU WITH A SOUTH

11:18:14 OF GANDY SOLUTION, YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT ORDINANCE AT THAT

11:18:17 TIME.

11:18:19 BUT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GIVE STAFF TIME TO CONDUCT

11:18:23 ACTUAL STUDIES AND FOR ACTUAL DATA TO DETERMINE HOW TO

11:18:26 PROPERLY ADDRESS THE SOG I SHALL YOU HAVE.

11:18:28 HOW CAN STAFF COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS TO THIS COUNCIL UNTIL

11:18:31 THEY ACTUALLY DO THE STUDIES THAT ARE NECESSARY?

11:18:35 I FEEL FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THEY ARE SPENDING MOST OF THEIR

11:18:38 TIME IN MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF THE MORATORIUM, SO THEY CAN'T

11:18:42 GET TO THE REAL WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO REALLY COME UP

11:18:45 WITH SOLUTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY.

11:18:49 THAT'S HOW IT ALL STARTED.

11:18:51 FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T PROPOSE A TRAFFIC SOLUTION UNTIL A

11:18:53 NEW SIGNALIZATION STUDY IS DONE AT THE GANDY --

11:19:00 PLEASE ALLOW STAFF THE TOOLS AND THE TIME TO DO THEIR JOB.

11:19:03 OTHERWISE, WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE BACK BEFORE THIS

11:19:06 COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF ANOTHER

11:19:09 PROPOSAL THAT AREN'T BASED ON ACTUAL DATA AND ACTUAL

11:19:13 STUDIES.

11:19:14 I ENCOURAGE TO YOU VOTE NO TODAY ON THE CITY-WIDE MORATORIUM

11:19:17 AND TO WORK WITH STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A WELL STUDIED

11:19:20 PROPOSAL THAT ACTUALLY ADDRESSES ALL OF THE PROBLEMS AND




11:19:24 ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT OVER AND OVER BY THE

11:19:27 COMMUNITY SOUTH OF GANDY.

11:19:30 THANK YOU.

11:19:30 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE JACOB.

11:19:34 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:19:37 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:19:38 >> THANK YOU.

11:19:41 THIS IS JAKE CREMER AT STEARNS WEAVER MILLER.

11:19:44 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING.

11:19:46 I WON'T REHASH WHAT THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS HAD TO SAY ON THE

11:19:51 MORATORIUM.

11:19:51 I FEEL SIMILARLY THE TO MANY OF THEM.

11:19:54 INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I FOUND MYSELF IN AGREEMENT WITH MANY

11:19:58 OF THE SOUTH OF GANDY COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD

11:20:00 FROM WHO FROM WHAT I HEARD AGREE THAT THE DECISION NEEDED TO

11:20:06 BE MADE TODAY.

11:20:07 IT'S TIME TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THIS BAD PROPOSAL.

11:20:13 THIS ORDINANCE -- I ALSO AGREE WITH THE SOUTH OF GANDY

11:20:17 COMMUNITY THAT THIS PROPOSAL DOESN'T RECOGNIZE WHAT MAKES

11:20:20 SOUTH TAMPA AND SOUTH OF GANDY SO SPECIAL.

11:20:25 IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE REST OF THE CITY THAT ISSUES THAT WE

11:20:29 ARE WORKING THROUGH IN ONE PART OF THE CITY ARE NOW GOING TO

11:20:32 RESTRICT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

11:20:36 MR. COEN'S MAP WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HEAR A LOT

11:20:40 AND WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TRANSIT IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT I CAN




11:20:43 PROMISE YOU, WE WILL NEVER GET REAL TRANSIT IN THIS

11:20:46 COMMUNITY IF WE DON'T SUPPORT DENSITY -- WE HAVE TO PUT ON

11:20:50 OUR BIG BOY PANTS AS A CITY AND BELIEVE IN GROWTH, AND

11:20:54 DENSITY WILL ACTUALLY HELP US GET THERE.

11:20:57 IT'S HARD, AND THERE WILL BE GROWING PAINS, BUT THIS IS NOT

11:21:02 THE RIGHT WAY TO GET THERE.

11:21:04 SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY.

11:21:08 CHAIRMAN, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ELECTION TODAY.

11:21:10 THANK YOU.

11:21:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

11:21:13 >>THE CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE JENNIFER

11:21:15 MOTSINGER.

11:21:16 JENNIFER, IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:21:19 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:21:20 >> THANK YOU.

11:21:22 GOOD MORNING.

11:21:22 JENNIFER MOTT SING WE ARE THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS

11:21:25 ASSOCIATION.

11:21:26 REPRESENTING THOSE WHO BUILD THE AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME

11:21:28 OWNERSHIP.

11:21:30 WHENEVER COMMUNITIES EXPERIENCE GROWTH IT'S ALWAYS -- WE

11:21:35 HAVE SEEN THE AREA SOUTH OF GANDY AROUND WESTSHORE GROW VERY

11:21:39 QUICKLY.

11:21:39 ALL THAT THOUGH THAT IS TYPICAL, COUNTY BE FRUSTRATING

11:21:42 ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.




11:21:45 I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE SPEAKERS THAT MORE ATTENTION CAN

11:21:48 BE FOCUSED ON BRINGING TRANSPORTATION AND OTHER

11:21:51 INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ONLINE.

11:21:53 HOWEVER, I AGAIN OPPOSE ANY TYPE OF MORATORIUM.

11:21:58 A MORATORIUM SIGNALS TO MANY SEGMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND

11:22:02 SOCIETY THAT WE CAN'T HANDLE GROWTH.

11:22:04 I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE.

11:22:06 IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION, AND I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE

11:22:09 CONSIDERING ALL THE PERSPECTIVES BEFORE TAKING FINAL ACTION

11:22:14 AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS MORNING AND I HOPE YOU ALL

11:22:18 VERY WELL.

11:22:18 THANK YOU.

11:22:19 >>THE CLERK: THE LAST SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE JEAN

11:22:21 STROHMEYER.

11:22:22 IF YOU ARE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

11:22:25 YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

11:22:26 >> OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME THIS TIME?

11:22:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.

11:22:31 >> THANK GOD.

11:22:32 I WANT TO ALSO CONGRATULATE COUNCILMAN GUDES IN YOUR

11:22:35 APPOINTMENT AND TO THANK MR. MANISCALCO FOR HIS SERVICES IN

11:22:40 THE PAST, AND TO CLARIFY THAT THE F.A.R. IS A PRIVILEGE AND

11:22:45 NOT A RIGHT, AND OUR FIGHT IS NOT WITH THE MAYOR BUT ONLY

11:22:51 FOR EVACUATION AND TRAFFIC. I WANT TO CLARIFY THOSE MATTERS

11:22:54 AND I AM READY TO GO.




11:22:57 MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER.

11:23:00 AND I AM PRESIDENT OF INTERBAY SOUTH OF GANDY ASSOCIATION,

11:23:04 ITEM NUMBER 8.

11:23:05 AS A CITIZEN, I THOUGHT OUR MEETING ON 3-26, WE HAD AN

11:23:10 AGREEMENT AS A RESULT OF OUR SUMMIT MEETING WITH

11:23:13 APPROXIMATELY 29 PEOPLE INCLUDING OUR GREAT SOG NEIGHBORHOOD

11:23:16 LEADERS, CITY ATTORNEY, CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT, AS WELL AS

11:23:20 MAYOR CASTOR, AND OUR BUILDER AND CHIEF DEVELOP, JOHN, WHO

11:23:25 HAS BEEN ON THE OPPOSING SIDE OF THE TABLE SINCE DAY ONE.

11:23:32 NOTHING AGAINST PROGRESS BUT IT'S GOOD.

11:23:37 IT'S NOT GOOD WHILE BEATING CITIZENS INTO SUBMISSION.

11:23:39 OUR GOAL HAS OVERBUILDING STOCK FROM MEGA APARTMENT

11:23:45 COMPLEXES SOUTH OF GANDY, REALLY LET THE DUST SETTLES.

11:23:50 WE WERE TOLD THIS WAS NOT LEGAL BECAUSE WE COULD NOT SINGLE

11:23:52 OUT OURSELVES AND NOT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

11:23:55 IT MAKES NO SENSE.

11:23:56 WE ARE THE SAME BODY WITH DIFFERENT LIMBS.

11:23:59 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DID IT AND SO DID OTHER PLACES.

11:24:01 WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AS OF TUESDAY WE THOUGHT WE HAD AN

11:24:04 AGREEMENT, AND THE ONLY REASON TO SPEAK TODAY WAS TO TELL

11:24:08 OUR CITY LEADERS A JOB WELL DONE.

11:24:11 THEN ON WEDNESDAY WE FOUND OUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEAL.

11:24:13 WE WERE DUMBFOUNDED, AS AN AMATEUR I AM IGNORANT IN LAND

11:24:20 USE, AND IT APPEARS THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO REACH THE

11:24:25 GAME SOLES WE ARE WORKING ON.




11:24:27 NUMBER ONE IS THE MOTION SUBMITTED BY MR. DINGFELDER, ON OUR

11:24:31 BEHALF FOR A MORATORIUM WHICH TURNED INTO LAND USE STUDY

11:24:37 THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT FIRST WITH A PERMANENT SOLUTION BEING

11:24:40 TAKEN UNDERWAY.

11:24:41 THIS WOULD PRESUMABLY CAST ANY STRAY REQUESTS OF ZONING.

11:24:46 NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE THE CITY VERSION WHICH IS ALSO

11:24:48 CONSIDERED WILL BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION BY THE PROCESS OF

11:24:52 CHANGING THE COMP PLAN TO ELIMINATE F.A.R. BUT USING THE

11:24:57 PENDING ORDINANCE.

11:25:00 EITHER WAY, OUR GOALS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD,

11:25:02 SOUTH OF GANDY, NOT CITY-WIDE ELIMINATION OR ELIMINATION OF

11:25:06 F.A.R. BUT OTHER PERSISTENT AND SYSTEM HE'S THE ITEM I CAN

11:25:10 PROBLEMS SINCE 2007 WITH LACK OF ROADS, GAS STATIONS,

11:25:14 RETAILS AND JOBS BUT THE MOST IMPORTANTLY SAFETY IN VEGAS

11:25:20 EVACUATION DURING AN EMERGENCY.

11:25:22 SHOWS WITH THE CURRENT POPULATION PEOPLE WOULD DROWN IN

11:25:27 THEIR CARS WHILE TRYING TO EVACUATE DURING A MERE CATEGORY

11:25:31 ONE STORM SURGE.

11:25:33 GENTLEMEN, IT IS TIME TO VOTE FOR OR AGAINST OUR

11:25:36 NEIGHBORHOOD.

11:25:37 THANK YOU.

11:25:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

11:25:43 THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

11:25:44 >>THE CLERK: YES, CHAIR THAT DOES CONCLUDE GENERAL COMMENT

11:25:48 FOR THE AGENDA.




11:25:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE GENTLEMEN FOR THE HEARING, GOING TO

11:25:57 MOVE TO WITHDRAW.

11:25:59 I THE ATTORNEY HAS A FLIGHT HAS TO GET OUT AT 12.

11:26:03 THE INTERPRETER.

11:26:04 I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE HEARING NUMBER 67.

11:26:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO OPEN THE 10:30 HEARINGS.

11:26:19 MOVE TO OPEN ALL FOUR OF THE HEARINGS.

11:26:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND FROM MR. CITRO.

11:26:24 ANY OPPOSED?

11:26:25 SO MOVED.

11:26:26 ITEM NUMBER 67.

11:26:27 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:26:31 BEFORE YOU BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THE

11:26:34 GENTLEMAN AND THE INTERPRETER BACK ON.

11:26:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DOWN THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

11:26:42 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND IF WE CAN BEGIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, BY

11:26:55 SWEARING THE INTERPRETER, TO SWEAR -- IN SPANISH, PLEASE,

11:27:05 MADAM CLERK.

11:27:06 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

11:27:11 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT

11:27:13 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

11:27:17 (SPEAKING SPANISH)

11:27:24 I SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

11:27:27 INTERPRETER NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN AS WELL.

11:27:29 >>MARTIN SHELBY:




11:27:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.

11:27:35 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TRANSLATION

11:27:37 YOU ARE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE

11:27:39 TRUTH?

11:27:40 >> I DO.

11:27:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN HAVE YOUR NAMES FOR THE RECORD.

11:27:43 >> NICOLE HIGH LAND, CERTIFIED COURT INTERPRETER.

11:27:52 MY NAME IS ANTONIO ALVAREZ.

11:27:54 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

11:27:55 I BELIEVE THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE LEGAL

11:27:57 DEPARTMENT?

11:27:59 I BELIEVE SHE'S ON LINE.

11:28:00 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CITY ATTORNEY'S' OFFICE.

11:28:07 WE ARE HERE TO ADDRESS THE PETITION FOR REVIEW REGARDING

11:28:10 ITEM NUMBER 67 WHICH IS DE 1-21-17 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT

11:28:17 2704 WEST KATHLEEN STREET, THE PETITIONER IS MR. ALVAREZ,

11:28:22 AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THROUGH THE INTERPRETER HE IS

11:28:27 GOING TO REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THE REVIEW.

11:28:36 INTERPRETER: YES, I COME TO WITHDRAW MY PETITION.

11:28:38 >> MOTION TO WITHDRAW.

11:28:46 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN, CAN WE SEE THEM OH ONLINE?

11:28:50 I DON'T SEE THEM.

11:28:51 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE MOTION.

11:28:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:28:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST SO EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE,




11:28:58 DOES HE WANT WITHDRAWN COMPLETELY, OR IS HE LOOKING TO

11:29:02 CONTINUE IT?

11:29:07 INTERPRETER: NO.

11:29:08 TO COMPLETELY WITHDRAW IT.

11:29:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO WITHDRAW IT THEN.

11:29:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

11:29:18 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO

11:29:19 THIS?

11:29:20 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION, MR. MIRANDA.

11:29:22 THANK YOU.

11:29:23 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

11:29:25 NO, MR. COUNCILMAN, THE CITY DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE

11:29:29 PETITIONER WITHDRAWING THE PETITION FOR REVIEW.

11:29:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UPON EXAMINATION OF THIS ADDRESS AT 3704

11:29:38 WEST KATHLEEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IMPROPER BUILDING

11:29:41 BEING BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT?

11:29:44 THERE WAS NOTHING CONCERNING RENTAL PROPERTY OR ANYTHING OF

11:29:47 THAT NATURE?

11:29:47 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THAT'S CORRECT.

11:29:50 THIS IS ONLY REGARDING STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY

11:29:53 THAT WERE BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT.

11:29:55 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DOES THE CITY WHEN THESE CASES COME UP,

11:29:57 AND NOT SPECIFICALLY ASKING THIS QUESTION ON THIS ADDRESS,

11:30:00 DO YOU ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE

11:30:02 COMING BEFORE US?




11:30:03 DO THEY HAVE ANY RENTAL PROPERTY THAT'S ILLEGAL?

11:30:06 >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: MR. COUNCILMAN, TO THE BEST OF MY

11:30:11 KNOWLEDGE, I AM NOT SURE.

11:30:12 I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT QUESTION IS ASKED.

11:30:17 COMING FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN EXCEPTION.

11:30:20 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.

11:30:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY

11:30:26 CITRO.

11:30:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL AS

11:30:31 REQUESTED BY THE PETITIONER.

11:30:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

11:30:38 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:30:39 ANY OPPOSED?

11:30:39 MOTION CARRIES.

11:30:40 THANK YOU.

11:30:41 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:30:42 >>INTERPRETER: THANK YOU.

11:30:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 8.

11:30:49 >>BILL CARLSON: DO I MAKE MY MOTION?

11:31:09 LET'S HEAR FROM STAFF AND THEN GO INTO DISCUSSION AND ANY

11:31:12 MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

11:31:13 >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT.

11:31:17 >>CAROLE POST: THIS IS CAROLE POST, ADMINISTRATOR FOR

11:31:24 DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

11:31:29 I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE CONTINUANCE.




11:31:32 I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO ALSO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR

11:31:34 APPOINTMENT AND ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THEIR

11:31:39 RESPECTIVE APPOINTMENTS, AND OF COURSE CHAIR MANISCALCO,

11:31:43 THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP OF THE PAST YEAR.

11:31:46 AS I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE REQUEST FOR

11:31:48 CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM FIRST.

11:31:50 WE DO HAVE STAFF MEMBERS AVAILABLE AS WELL, THE SUBSTANCE OF

11:31:54 THE ITEM, SHOULD IT NOT BE CONTINUED.

11:32:00 THE MATTER BUFF, AND HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, I THINK ALL OF YOU

11:32:05 RECOGNIZED, SUBSTANTIALLY BEFORE COUNCIL, BEEN BEFORE

11:32:08 COUNCIL SIX TIMES.

11:32:11 TODAY IS THE 7th TIME THAT THIS MATTER IS COMING BEFORE

11:32:15 COUNCIL IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

11:32:18 THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, THERE WERE MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH

11:32:24 STAFF, SOUTH OF GANDY STAKEHOLDERS, RESIDENTS, WE ALSO MET

11:32:27 WITH DEVELOPERS MANY TIMES, AND ON MARCH 26th, ONE OF

11:32:32 THOSE TIMES, IT WAS AN ALL-HANDS TYPE MEETING, AS I HEARD

11:32:36 OTHERS REFER TO IT AS THE TOWN HALL MEETING, MAYOR CASTOR,

11:32:42 CHAIR GUDES, I THINK SOMEWHAT AT YOUR SUGGESTION IN MARCH.

11:32:50 AT THE DISCUSSION ON MARCH 26, THIS DISCUSSION ACTUALLY

11:32:53 RESULTED IN AN ALTERNATE APPROACH WHICH WAS A PERMANENT

11:32:59 SOLUTION TO THE F.A.R. ISSUE, DEALING WITH THE MORATORIUM.

11:33:07 AND THAT PROPOSAL AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE MORATORIUM WAS

11:33:10 PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 1st.

11:33:12 ON APRIL 1st, STAFF PRESENTED AND RECOMMENDED THAT




11:33:18 ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION, WHICH WAS TO -- COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

11:33:23 AMENDMENT, PERMANENTLY ADDRESSED THE F.A.R.

11:33:26 ON THAT DAY, COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION, AND

11:33:32 THAT PROCESS IS NOW UNDERWAY.

11:33:39 THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IN PROCESS WITH THE PLANNING

11:33:42 COMMISSION.

11:33:43 BUT ALSO ON THAT DAY, AFTER ADOPTION OF THAT COMP PLAN

11:33:47 RESOLUTION, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER AGAIN ASKED TO BRING

11:33:52 FORWARD AN INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, WHICH WE HEARD

11:33:58 REFERRED TO AS A NONMORATORIUM-MORATORIUM.

11:34:02 I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THAT MOTION IS AND REMAINS

11:34:06 SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT RESOLUTION

11:34:10 ADOPTED THAT DAY TO REMAIN UNDERWAY.

11:34:13 BUT APRIL 15th, IN RESPONSE TO THE INTERIM DEVELOPMENT

11:34:18 CONTROL ORDINANCE REQUEST, STAFF RETURNED TO COUNCIL WITH A

11:34:22 DRAFT OF THAT ORDINANCE FOR DISCUSSION, AND COUNCIL THAT DAY

11:34:27 VOTED FOR STAFF TO BRING IT BACK IN A FORMAT FOR FIRST

11:34:32 READING, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY.

11:34:35 THAT ORDINANCE HAS BEEN SENT TO COUNCIL AS REQUESTED.

11:34:39 I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, THOUGH, THAT THERE ARE NO FURTHER

11:34:42 DISCUSSIONS PLANNED WITH THE COMMUNITY OR ANY OTHER

11:34:45 STAKEHOLDERS EITHER PLANNED OR ANTICIPATED ON THIS

11:34:49 PARTICULAR MATTER.

11:34:50 I BELIEVE THE MEETING THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON REFERRED TO

11:34:53 EARLIER THIS MORNING IS A STAFF AND COMMUNITY MEETING AS A




11:35:00 FOLLOW-UP THAT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE MARCH TOWN HALL.

11:35:05 AT THAT TOWN HALL MEETING, THE MAYOR COMMITTED FOR STAFF TO

11:35:08 HAVE CONTINUING FOLLOW-UP ON A NUMBER OF RELATED MATTERS,

11:35:15 THAT JEAN TALKED ABOUT, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, GENERAL

11:35:18 GROWTH MANAGEMENT, AND EVACUATION RESPONSE.

11:35:21 AND AS SUCH, THOSE ARE BEING PLANNED.

11:35:26 THE ONE IN QUESTION IS ACTUALLY SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 15th

11:35:33 AND REITERATE THAT IS NOT A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE

11:35:35 MORATORIUM OR ANY OTHER SOLUTION RELATED INTERIM

11:35:39 DEVELOPMENT.

11:35:43 TO CONCLUDE, WE ARE NOT FOR THE CONSEQUENCE ANSWER OF THIS

11:35:46 MATTER TODAY.

11:35:47 WE PREFER TO CONCLUDE THE MATTER WITH CERTAINTY ONE WAY OR

11:35:51 ANOTHER TODAY.

11:35:54 WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN WE AGREED TO WITH THE COMMUNITY

11:35:58 AND WITH COUNCIL SUPPORT TO INITIATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

11:36:02 AMENDMENT SERVES AS OUR STRATEGIC AND CONCLUSIVE APPROACH TO

11:36:09 CITY PLANNING, THE APPROPRIATE METHOD TO ADDRESS THE F.A.R.

11:36:13 ISSUE.

11:36:14 AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IT IS JUST ONE OF MANY EFFORTS

11:36:17 THAT ARE UNDERWAY TO ADDRESS RELATED GROWTH MANAGEMENT

11:36:20 MATTERS.

11:36:22 I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

11:36:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS A HOT TOPIC.

11:36:30 BEFORE I TAKE ANY MOTION, I WANT TO GO WITH DISCUSSIONS




11:36:32 FIRST, AND AFTER DISCUSSIONS WE'LL DEAL WITH THE MOTION.

11:36:36 SO I THINK MR. CARLSON WAS FIRST.

11:36:38 I SAW HIS HAND.

11:36:39 AND MR. DINGFELDER.

11:36:40 AND MR. CITRO.

11:36:47 MR. VIERA.

11:36:47 >>BILL CARLSON: JUST IN TERMS OF COMMENTS, AS MS. POST

11:36:51 SAID, ALTHOUGH THE MEETING NEXT FRIDAY MAY HAVE BEEN SET UP

11:36:54 FOR SOME OTHER PURPOSE, I AM CERTAIN THAT SOG LEADERS WILL

11:36:59 TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

11:37:01 JUST TO CORRECT THE RECORD, WE SAID, I THINK, PRETTY

11:37:06 ADAMANTLY WE DID NOT WANT A MORATORIUM, WHATEVER THE LEGAL

11:37:09 TERM IS.

11:37:13 SAID WE DIDN'T WANT A MORATORIUM.

11:37:15 THEN STAFF CAME BACK WITH THIS NARROW VIEW, AND THEN

11:37:18 SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS PUSHING THE IDEA OF MORATORIUM.

11:37:21 AND IT APPEARS TO BE FROM THE COMMENT THIS MORNING THE

11:37:24 DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT'S DOING IT.

11:37:26 BUT YET IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT'S SAYING WE

11:37:28 DON'T WANT THE WORD MORATORIUM TO GET OUT BECAUSE THE LARGER

11:37:31 INVESTMENT COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTRY IS NOT GOING TO WANT TO

11:37:34 INVEST IN TAMPA BECAUSE OF IT SO THE EASY SOLUTION IS TO

11:37:36 STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

11:37:38 IF YOU WANT TO SCARE INVESTORS OFF, TALK ABOUT PUT A LABEL

11:37:41 ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ACCURATE, OR ISN'T EXACTLY ACCURATE.




11:37:45 NUMBER TWO, THE SOUTH OF GANDY LEADERS WHO I HAVE MET WITH,

11:37:51 MANY, MANY TIMES, AND I AM SURE YOU ALL DO, I TALK TO THEM

11:37:54 ALMOST DAILY, THEY NEVER ASKED FOR A CITY-WIDE THING.

11:37:57 THEY EVEN SAID AGAIN THIS MORNING THEY DOESN'T WANT A

11:37:59 CITY-WIDE SOLUTION.

11:38:01 AND WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES COMING UP.

11:38:03 ONE IS THE LONG-TERM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BUT THIS

11:38:09 ONE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT PUTS IT INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

11:38:13 YES, I THINK MR. DINGFELDER IS THE ONE WHO MADE THE MOTION

11:38:16 ON THIS.

11:38:16 SO TECHNICALLY, YES, IT IS A REQUEST OF COUNCIL, BUT WHAT

11:38:20 COUNCIL ASKED FOR ORIGINALLY AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED

11:38:22 FOR ORIGINALLY WAS A SOUTH OF GANDY SOLUTION.

11:38:25 AND THIS IS THE PROPOSAL THAT WE GOT.

11:38:28 NONE OF US TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAD EVER SAID WE WANT TO BE

11:38:31 TAKE -- WE WANTED TO TAKE AWAY THE F.A.R. BONUS.

11:38:36 AND WE ALSO DID NOT -- SO PUT ALL THE EXCEPTIONS AND

11:38:43 EVERYTHING.

11:38:44 THAT CAME FROM STAFF.

11:38:44 THE QUESTION THAT I POSED TO STAFF MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST

11:38:47 YEAR, REALLY, IS WHAT COULD BE THE SOLUTION?

11:38:51 I'M NOT A LAWYER.

11:38:52 I'M NOT A LAND USE LAWYER.

11:38:53 I TALK TO A BUNCH OF THEM I.DOWNTOWN KNOW WHAT THE POSSIBLE

11:38:56 SOLUTIONS EVER R.




11:38:57 THE COMMUNITY HAS GIVEN US IDEAS.

11:38:59 I TALKED TO LAND USE ATTORNEYS WHO GIVE IDEAS TO US.

11:39:02 AND I HAVE HAD THREE OR FOUR LAND USE ATTORNEYS CALL ME THE

11:39:05 LAST TWO DAYS AND SAY THERE ARE SOUTH OF GANDY OPTIONS, WHY

11:39:08 IS STAFF NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM? I HAD A CONVERSATION

11:39:11 WITH LEGAL YESTERDAY AND IS HE SHE HAD THEY LOOKED AT THEM.

11:39:14 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S TRUE AND WATTS WHAT'S NOT BUT THERE

11:39:17 SEEMS TO BE A SOUTH OF GANDY SOLUTION THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT

11:39:20 WOULD MORE DIRECTLY ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF SOUTH GANDY.

11:39:23 THEY ARE NOT HAPPY AS I SAID WITH THIS SOLUTION ANYWAY.

11:39:25 THE PEOPLE IN THE REST OF THE CITY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT.

11:39:28 AND I THINK SINCE THERE IS A MEETING COM COMING OUT FRIDAY I

11:39:31 THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND DELAY IT FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS

11:39:33 TO LOOK AT THAT.

11:39:38 I AM VERY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF HE SAID SHE

11:39:42 SAID AROUND THIS AND IT SEEMS TO BE TOO POLITICAL.

11:39:45 AND I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT DIRECTIONS I HAVE SEEN THE

11:39:47 LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IN RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COUNCIL AND

11:39:51 STAFF AS BECOMING MORE POLITICAL.

11:39:53 AND I ASKED CHIEF OF STAFF IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE

11:39:56 COLLEGIAL ENVIRONMENT.

11:39:57 MAYBE YOU ALL HAVE NOT SENSED THIS.

11:40:00 BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL DID NOT PROPOSE.

11:40:04 WE MAY END UP APPROVING IT TODAY.

11:40:07 BUT WHAT WE ASKED FOR AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY ASKED FOR IS A




11:40:11 SOUTH OF GANDY SOLUTION THAT WILL FIX THE SOUTH OF GANDY

11:40:14 PROBLEMS.

11:40:14 THANK YOU.

11:40:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.

11:40:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:40:20 A GOOD ANALYSIS OF WHERE WE HAVE BEEN.

11:40:24 I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH MS. POST IN TERMS OF HOW WE

11:40:28 GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY BUT I AM NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW,

11:40:32 YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL HINDSIGHT, WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AND I

11:40:35 AM NOT GOING TO GO THERE.

11:40:36 WE ARE WHERE WE ARE.

11:40:37 I DO AGREE WITH WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID, THAT THIS HOLISTIC

11:40:44 CITY-WIDE APPROACH IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT COUNCIL HAD ASKED

11:40:48 FOR.

11:40:50 THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN SORT OF PUSHED IN A DIRECTION,

11:40:52 AND I HAVE CALLED IT A POISON PILL, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A

11:40:55 POISON PILL THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO US, AND THAT WAS PROVEN TO

11:40:58 ME TODAY WHEN DEVELOPERS SAY, GO AHEAD AND VOTE IT UP OH ARE

11:41:01 DOWN.

11:41:02 WELL, GUESS WHAT, THEY ARE COUNTING HEADS.

11:41:05 WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COUNT HEADS.

11:41:06 BUT THEY ARE COUNTING HEADS.

11:41:08 AND THEY COUNTED HEAD, THEY MADE THEIR PHONE CALLS AROUND

11:41:11 THIS DAIS.

11:41:12 THEY DON'T CALL ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE I STAND.




11:41:14 BUT THEY CALLED AROUND THIS DAIS AND THEY COUNTED HEADS.

11:41:17 BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT.

11:41:18 WHAT'S MORE RELEVANT IS WHAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU TODAY.

11:41:22 AND I PROVIDED THIS DOCUMENT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR.

11:41:26 SHELBY, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE RECEIVED IT THIS MORNING

11:41:31 BY MR. GARRETT AND THE CLERK HAS A COPY.

11:41:37 AND WHAT THIS ONE-PAGE DOCUMENT SPEAKS TO IS THIS IS

11:41:41 DIRECTLY OUT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

11:41:42 AND I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT A COPY OF IT AND LOOKED AT IT.

11:41:46 AND SPECIFICALLY, I LOOK OVER TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IN THE

11:41:50 YELLOW AREA, AND IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING ROAD CORRIDORS HAVE A

11:41:54 SERIES OF MIXED USES ALONG THEM.

11:41:56 AND THEN IT SPEAKS TO ALL THOSE HIGHWAYS AND MAJOR ROADS

11:42:00 THROUGHOUT OUR CITY THAT RANDY COEN SPOKE TO.

11:42:05 DALE MABRY, GANDY, ARMENIA, HOWARD, FLORIDA, NEBRASKA, MLK,

11:42:10 COLUMBUS, 40th, 50th, ADAMO, PART OF ADAMO, BUSCH

11:42:15 BOULEVARD, HILLSBOROUGH, FOWLER, FLETCHER, BRUCE B. DOWNS,

11:42:18 KENNEDY, WESTSHORE, WESTSHORE NORTH OF KENNEDY BOULEVARD.

11:42:23 AND THEN THE NEXT LINE IS CRITICAL.

11:42:26 THESE ROADWAYS ARE TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS AND ARE

11:42:30 SUITABLE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND INTENSIFICATION.

11:42:34 THAT'S WHAT THE USE OF THE F.A.R. IS.

11:42:36 THE USE.

11:42:37 F.A.R. IS INTENSIFICATION OF DEVELOPMENT.

11:42:40 SO WHY DO D I GIVE YOU THIS?




11:42:43 OKAY, I GAVE YOU THIS SO WE CAN MODIFY THE ORDINANCE, AND I

11:42:46 GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE, SO WE CAN MODIFY THE

11:42:49 ORDINANCE AND HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK TO US THIS AFTERNOON TO

11:42:54 EXCLUDE ANY PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE, AND

11:42:59 WALKING DISTANCE HAS BEEN DEFINED AS ONE QUARTER MILE, OKAY,

11:43:03 ONE QUARTER MILE WALKING, THE WALKING PATH OF ONE QUARTER

11:43:07 MILE AWAY FROM ANY OF THESE TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.

11:43:14 I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THIS BY MYSELF LAST NIGHT.

11:43:17 I CALLED ONE OF OUR CITY PLANNERS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

11:43:20 I SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS, TO FOCUS THIS ON WHERE

11:43:24 IT NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED.

11:43:26 OKAY?

11:43:26 THIS STILL LEAVES SOME OPPORTUNITY, ACTUALLY, SOUTH OF

11:43:30 GANDY, INCLUDING DALE MABRY HIGHWAY.

11:43:35 THE POSSIBILITY IF THERE'S SOME PROPERTY THAT WANTS TO COME

11:43:37 IN FOR REZONING WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WALKING DISTANCE, ON

11:43:41 EITHER SIDE OF DALE MABRY HIGHWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO

11:43:43 MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE, SO BE IT.

11:43:45 BUT NOW WHAT?

11:43:46 DALE MABRY HIGHWAY AND GANDY BOULEVARD ARE BOTH MAJOR ROADS.

11:43:50 AND GANDY IS IMPROVED EVEN MORE SO.

11:43:53 THEY ARE MAJOR ROADS, AND AS ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS SPOKE TO

11:43:57 EVENTUALLY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MAJOR TRANSIT ON ALL OF

11:44:00 THESE ROAD.

11:44:01 SO I AGREE, AS MUCH AS I HIGHLIGHT TO SAY IT, I AGREE WITH




11:44:04 MY FELLOW ATTORNEYS WHO CALLED IN TODAY AND SAID WE

11:44:07 SHOULDN'T BE THROWING OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER.

11:44:11 BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE IN THE

11:44:13 APPROPRIATE PLACE.

11:44:14 AND ESPECIALLY INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT.

11:44:19 INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT USED IN THIS F.A.R. SHOULD NOT BE USED

11:44:22 IN INAPPROPRIATE PLACES.

11:44:23 SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHENEVER YOU GET AROUND TO

11:44:26 ASKING FOR A MOTION -- AND BILL, I THINK THIS IS CONSISTENT

11:44:29 WITH WHERE YOU ARE GOING, AT LEAST I HOPE SO, BECAUSE THIS

11:44:34 WILL LIMIT THE PROPOSED INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL

11:44:38 ORDINANCE SIGNIFICANTLY.

11:44:41 THIS WILL TAKE AWAY THE IMPACT OF THIS ORDINANCE ON ALL OF

11:44:46 THESE ROADS THAT ARE CALLED TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.

11:44:52 THAT'S WHERE I AM HEADED.

11:44:53 I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS BEYOND TODAY I WOULD ASK US TO

11:44:57 DO A MOTION TO DIRECT LEGAL TO INCORPORATE THIS IDEA IN THIS

11:45:02 ORDINANCE AND VOTE THAT UP OR DOWN THIS AFTERNOON.

11:45:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO.

11:45:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:45:11 TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON INTEREST POINT WHEN THIS FIRST CAME

11:45:13 OUT THE TWO REASONS THAT WERE GIVEN WAS BECAUSE OF HIGH

11:45:16 COASTAL HAZARD AND BECAUSE OF EVACUATION TIMING.

11:45:22 AT THAT POINT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY SUCH AS PALMETTO SAID,

11:45:25 WELL, WHAT ABOUT US?




11:45:26 THOSE TWO SITUATIONS, HIGH COASTAL HAZARD, EVACUATION TIME,

11:45:31 HAVE TO DO WITH SEVERAL PARTS OF OUR CITY.

11:45:34 SO WE CAN'T JUST CARVE OUT ONE AREA.

11:45:37 MR. GOERS IS GOING TO BE BRINGING TO US A STUDY THAT WE GOT

11:45:43 A GRANT ON, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS.

11:45:46 THIS STUDY WILL REVEAL EXACTLY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE MAY OR

11:45:49 MAY NOT NEED TO BE DONE IN THIS CITY.

11:45:53 I WOULD PREFER TO WAIT ON THAT REPORT COMING BACK.

11:46:00 THIS ORDINANCE WILL TAKE AWAY ONE OF THE GREATEST STRENGTHS

11:46:03 THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS, AND THAT'S TO HEAR THE BURDEN OF

11:46:09 PROOF CASE BY CASE BY CASE BY CASE.

11:46:13 I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THAT REPORT HAS TO SAY.

11:46:16 THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

11:46:18 I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS ORDINANCE TODAY.

11:46:20 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:46:21 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:46:24 I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR.

11:46:25 YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING BACK AND FORTH, I

11:46:28 THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHOICES THAT WE HAVE TO

11:46:33 ANSWER AS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WHICH IS DO WE SUPPORT

11:46:38 MORATORIUM OR AN EQUIVALENT?

11:46:39 I HAVE MADE MY MOTION KNOWN ON.

11:46:42 THAT DO WE SUPPORT THE CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS?

11:46:44 I THINK THAT WE ALL DO.

11:46:45 I KNOW THAT I CERTAINLY DO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I




11:46:48 PROMISED TO THE COMMUNITIES FROM DAY ONE, AND DO WE SUPPORT

11:46:51 SOMETHING THAT HAS IMMEDIATE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT CODE

11:46:55 AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT SEEMED TO HAVE AT LEAST GOTTEN TO

11:46:58 FIRST BASE FROM CITY COUNCIL LAST TIME 4-3, AND WHATNOT?

11:47:02 I SUPPORT THE CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS, WHICH IS A

11:47:06 DELIBERATIVE PROCESS AND WHATNOT THAT TAKES US INTO THE

11:47:09 DIRECTION THAT WE WANT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT IS

11:47:13 DELIBERATIVE AND ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER ADEQUATELY AND WITH

11:47:16 GREAT MEASURED CARE ALL OF THE STEPS THAT CAN GO, AND WHAT

11:47:21 ARE THE BENEFITS OF IT, WHAT'S THE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF

11:47:23 IT.

11:47:24 LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE A MORATORIUM.

11:47:29 I JUST DON'T THINK THAT SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE ON THE CITY

11:47:34 OF TAMPA.

11:47:35 AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO GO, AS I HAVE SAID

11:47:39 MANY, MANY TIMES, THE BUDGET PROCESS, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND A

11:47:43 LITTLE COIN HAS ABRAHAM LINCOLN ON IT, THE PENNY, THE PENNY

11:47:50 SALES TAX, SUPPORTED ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.

11:47:53 I WAS PROUD TO ENDORSE THAT AND I HOPE THAT IN 2022 WE CAN

11:47:57 GET THAT BACK ON THE BALLOT.

11:47:58 THERE IS NO GREATER FRIEND TO HAVING GOOD PROGRESS FOR

11:48:04 COMMUNITY WIDE SOUTH OF GANDY, AND MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES,

11:48:08 THAN MASS TRANSIT AND HAVING THOSE ROBUST TRANSPORTATION

11:48:11 RELATED INVESTMENTS THAT THIS WOULD DO.

11:48:15 WITH REGARDS TO OUR FRIEND COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, MY




11:48:21 POSITION IS THAT ON THIS NARROWLY TAILORED ISSUE, WE SHOULD

11:48:25 SEE WHERE WE STAND ON IT TODAY.

11:48:27 IF IT GOES FORWARD, FINE F.NOT, BUT HAVING ANOTHER

11:48:31 COMPROMISE, WHETHER COUNCILMAN CARLSON LEADS IT OR

11:48:34 COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER LEADS IT, HE DON'T THINK HAS ANY

11:48:38 RELATIONSHIP TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE

11:48:40 ORDINANCE FOR IMPLEMENTATION ON JUNE 1st AS WE SEE IT

11:48:45 TODAY.

11:48:45 SO JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

11:48:48 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.

11:48:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE?

11:48:52 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:48:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

11:48:55 I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATION I HAVE HEARD.

11:48:57 I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AS TO WHY IT WAS BROUGHT UP THE WAY

11:49:01 IT WAS.

11:49:02 HOWEVER, I HAVE AN IDEA, AND THIS IS THE RATIONALE THAT I

11:49:06 HAVE COME UP WITH.

11:49:07 I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF IT'S DONE NOT ON A CITY-WIDE BASIS,

11:49:10 JUST A LOCALIZED AREA, THAT I THEY MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE

11:49:15 LAWYERS TO BE NOT THE RIGHT WAY OR CONSTITUTIONAL WAY TO DO

11:49:19 IT.

11:49:19 OOH I AM JUST SAYING THAT'S WAY THINK.

11:49:22 I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE REGARDING IT.

11:49:24 AND I HEARD ALSO DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS SAY THAT FOR MY BREAD




11:49:30 AND BUTTER, I DO NOT HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYONE ON THIS SIDE,

11:49:34 OR THIS SIDE.

11:49:35 NOT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND NOT THE GOOD PEOPLE IN

11:49:38 SOUTH TAMPA.

11:49:39 IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SAY IT, GOD BLESS THEM.

11:49:42 IN FACT YOU DON'T SEE NO CELL PHONE WITH ME I.ADOPT TEXT

11:49:45 ANYBODY WHEN I AM IN A MEETING AND NOBODY TEXTS ME.

11:49:48 PERIOD.

11:49:49 AND I HAVE DONE THAT MY WHOLE LIFE.

11:49:50 ONE DAY I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN YEARS AGO AND I

11:49:54 WILL BE -- AND I HAD A PHONE AND IT RANG.

11:50:00 BUT IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE PHONE ON ME IT COULD HAVE RANG ALL

11:50:03 IT WANTED.

11:50:03 SO IT WAS MY MISTAKE FOR BRINGING THE PHONE IN.

11:50:06 I ALWAYS TELL MY GRANDKIDS THIS.

11:50:08 IF YOU DRINK, YOU ARE LIABLE TO GET A DUI.

11:50:12 IF YOU DON'T DRINK YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO GET A DUI.

11:50:14 AND GUESS WHAT.

11:50:15 I YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BE AN ALCOHOLIC.

11:50:20 BUT IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

11:50:21 DO WHAT YOU WANT.

11:50:22 I DON'T TELL THEM NOT TO DRINK.

11:50:24 BUT WHAT I AM DOING NOW IS TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGISTICS

11:50:27 OF A VERY COMPLICATED SITUATION.

11:50:32 DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM THERE?




11:50:33 YES.

11:50:34 IS IT TRAFFIC?

11:50:36 YES.

11:50:36 HOWEVER, HOW DO WE GET HERE?

11:50:42 COUNCILMAN VIERA TALKED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.

11:50:45 REALLY?

11:50:45 THERE IS NO TRANSPORTATION.

11:50:50 WHY?

11:50:52 BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE'S AN EXPRESSWAY BUILT AND YOU HAVE

11:50:56 A PROBLEM, THE NEXT THING THEY DO IS EXPAND IT.

11:50:59 A YEAR LATER, THAT IS EXTINCT.

11:51:02 SO THEY HAVE TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS

11:51:06 OF DOLLARS OP INSTEAD OF BUILDING, EXPANDING THE EXPRESSWAY,

11:51:12 BUT BUILD TRANSPORTATION THE RIGHT WAY.

11:51:14 I AM NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THE

11:51:17 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, BUT IF WE HAD GOT THAT MONEY

11:51:21 AND PUT IN THE TRAINS AND BUSES, WE MAY NOT BE IN THE

11:51:24 SITUATION WE ARE IN TODAY.

11:51:26 IN THE FIFTIES, WE HAD 50-SOME MILES OF STREETCARS.

11:51:32 HOW MANY WE GOT NOW?

11:51:33 NONE.

11:51:35 OTHER THAN THE STREETCAR THAT WE PUT IN UNDER THE GRECO

11:51:37 ADMINISTRATION, WILL 11 MILES, I THINK.

11:51:41 AND IT WENT FROM DOWNTOWN ALL THE WAY AROUND CHANNELSIDE

11:51:47 INTO YBOR CITY AND BACK.




11:51:50 HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?

11:51:55 IT'S BY WORKING OUT AND HAVING A COMPLEX SITUATION, WORK

11:51:58 WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT WE HAVE, THE PLANNING

11:52:00 COMMISSION HAS GOT TO BE INVOLVED, THE CITIZENS HAVE TO BE

11:52:03 INVOLVED, BUT TO SAY TODAY TO GO AND DO THIS, IF SOMEBODY

11:52:10 DOES SOMETHING, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM WHEN

11:52:12 YOU SAY I AM GOING TO HAVE IN A CONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA,

11:52:17 NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE KNOW, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT

11:52:21 WE ARE IN THAT WE DON'T KNOW.

11:52:23 SO THERE'S GOT TO BE DOCUMENTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS

11:52:28 THING DOESN'T BITE THE DUST.

11:52:30 I'M NOT AGAINST THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA.

11:52:32 AND I AM NOT AGAINST ANYONE WHO BROUGHT THIS UP.

11:52:35 BUT HAS TO BE A CONCENTRATED EFFORT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF

11:52:38 THE LAW, NOT WHAT I WANT, WHAT THE LAW SAYS I CAN DO.

11:52:43 AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE VERY TROUBLING WHEN YOU

11:52:46 RUN FOR OFFICE AND SIT DOWN AND SAY I AM GOING TO DO

11:52:49 WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP.

11:52:51 HOWEVER, YOU ARE LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO

11:52:55 HELP BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SITUATIONS THAT HAVE NEVER

11:52:58 BEEN DISCUSSED UNTIL YOU HAVE A SITUATION THAT COMES LIKE IT

11:53:01 IS TODAY.

11:53:02 SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES, NOT AGAINST EACH OTHER,

11:53:06 BUT AGAINST TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT THEY CAN'T SOLVE

11:53:09 THEMSELVES.




11:53:11 WHY DO YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT?

11:53:12 I HEARD PEOPLE SAY.

11:53:14 DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS DON'T BUILD A DAMN THING

11:53:18 UNLESS IT'S NEEDED.

11:53:21 THINK OF WHAT I JUST SAID.

11:53:24 IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WASN'T GROWING WOULD WE HAVE TALL

11:53:29 BUILDINGS?

11:53:29 I DON'T THINK SO. IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS AT A STANDSTILL,

11:53:34 WOULD YOU HAVE THE NEED FOR TRANSPORTATION?

11:53:35 I DON'T THINK SO.

11:53:39 YOU NEED TRANSPORTATION, AND IT'S KNOW IT THAT I WANT TO

11:53:41 DEVELOP, IT'S NOT THAT THE CITY WANTS TO DEVELOP, THE PEOPLE

11:53:43 ARE COMING HERE.

11:53:46 OF MY EIGHT GRANDCHILDREN, SIX HAVE GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE

11:53:49 SO FAR.

11:53:50 ALL SIX OF THEM HAVE COME BACK TO TAMPA.

11:53:54 TWO MORE PLAN TO STAY HERE.

11:53:56 YOU COULDN'T DO THAT 15, 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO

11:54:00 OPPORTUNITY.

11:54:00 [BELL SOUNDS]

11:54:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN STOP RIGHT NOW.

11:54:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO?

11:54:07 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

11:54:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS BUT IT'S

11:54:11 GOING ON 12:00.




11:54:14 AND CTDV WANTS TO DO THEIR THING, AND THE PEOPLE ON THE

11:54:17 SECOND FLOOR AS WELL.

11:54:18 SO WE NEED TO BREAK FOR LUNCH AT 12, GENTLEMEN.

11:54:22 I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT I WANT TO TRY TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

11:54:26 WE HAVE A BUSY AGENDA TODAY.

11:54:28 BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS IN REFERENCE TO THIS ITEM.

11:54:30 AND THIS IS THE OLD POLICEMAN TALKING.

11:54:38 WHAT IS GUIDING WAY CALL THE PROCESS IS MONEY.

11:54:45 MONEY, POWER.

11:54:51 I DON'T KNOW THE WORD MORATORIUM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE PAPER

11:54:55 SAID MORATORIUM.

11:54:56 THIS BOARD NEVER SAID, AFTER WE CAME BACK MAKING DECISIONS,

11:55:01 TALKING ABOUT MORATORIUM.

11:55:02 SO MR. CARLSON WOULD BE RIGHT.

11:55:04 SO HERE COMES THAT INFECTION.

11:55:07 WHERE IT CAME FROM, NOW WE GOT EVERYBODY SAY, OH, WE GOT TO

11:55:10 STOP THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE DEVELOPERS AREN'T

11:55:14 GOING TO COME HERE AND SPEND MONEY, THIS AND THAT.

11:55:16 I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE RULES, MR. CITRUS, GOT ALL THIS MESS

11:55:22 GOING ON.

11:55:24 IT'S WHAT IT IS.

11:55:26 ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION.

11:55:27 BUT I AM GOING TO BE CANDID WITH YOU.

11:55:29 HAD WE HAD THOSE COMPROMISES WITH OTHER INDIVIDUAL, WE WOULD

11:55:34 HAVE HAD THAT MONEY THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN BANKING ON FOR




11:55:37 DECADES AND SAYING, SOMETHING THEY AIN'T GOT.

11:55:43 GOT TO COMPROMISE SOMETIMES.

11:55:46 THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

11:55:48 BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY SO WE COULDN'T COMPROMISE TO

11:55:50 HAVE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION TO START BUILDING ROADS, START

11:55:53 DOING WHATEVER WE NEED, POTHOLES, WHATEVER WE GOT ON,

11:55:56 BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A COMPROMISE.

11:55:59 THINGS WOULD HAVE ALREADY -- OTHER COUNTIES ALREADY HAVE THE

11:56:03 SITUATION.

11:56:05 THE COURTS ALREADY RULED.

11:56:08 I LOOK AT THIS SITUATION HERE.

11:56:11 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH OF GANDY.

11:56:15 SOMEONE HAS YET TO TELL ME HOW CAN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUT

11:56:19 SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR A CERTAIN AREA BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT?

11:56:25 AND I'M NOT A LAND USE LAWYER.

11:56:27 IT'S STILL NEW TO ME.

11:56:28 I'M STILL LEARNING, THE CODES, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT

11:56:33 SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT'S A HIGHER POWER THAN

11:56:38 YOU BUT YET WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING.

11:56:40 I STILL DON'T HAVE AN EXPLANATION ON THAT.

11:56:44 THEY ARE SAY SAME BOARD AS WE ARE, SAME LAND USE, I'M SURE

11:56:48 THE SAME TYPE OF CODE, THE COUNTY PER SE, BUT YOU CAN'T TELL

11:56:52 ME THAT WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING.

11:56:56 SOUTH OF GANDY, WITH DEVELOPERS, SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE

11:57:00 DISAPPOINTED.




11:57:01 WE ARE NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT PERFECT YET.

11:57:03 WE HAVE ALREADY PUT THE FIRST STEPS TO GO DO IT PLANNING

11:57:06 COMMISSION TO GET THE WORK DONE.

11:57:12 IN JANUARY, FROM THE CALCULATION.

11:57:17 PERIOD.

11:57:17 SO SOMEBODY MAY BE UPSETTING BUT DON'T TELL ME THE CITY IS

11:57:23 GOING TO STOP GROWING AND NO ONE IS GOING TO COME HERE AND

11:57:27 ALL THAT STUFF.

11:57:28 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ONE BIT.

11:57:29 EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME HERE.

11:57:31 SO LET'S STOP TRYING TO USE OUR MUSCLE AND MONEY TO DO

11:57:34 THINGS.

11:57:35 AND LET'S TRY TO WORK TOGETHER AS A COMMUNITY, DEVELOPMENT

11:57:38 COMMUNITY AND SOUTH OF GANDY.

11:57:40 SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE DISAPPOINTED BUT LET'S MAKE THAT

11:57:44 DISAPPOINTMENT AS LESS PAINFUL AS WE CAN.

11:57:46 LEGAL SHOULD BE ASKING THE COUNTY WHAT DO THEY DO, HOW DO

11:57:49 THEY DO IT, BUT THEN, MR. DINGFELDER, THIS GREAT WORK HAS

11:57:55 COME UP, AND I TALK TO LAND USE PEOPLE.

11:57:59 INTENSIFY THOSE -- YOU ARE RIGHT.

11:58:04 THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

11:58:05 YOU ARE 100% RIGHT.

11:58:06 HERE IT IS.

11:58:06 MR. MIRANDA TALKED ABOUT THE RULES AND CODES.

11:58:09 MR. DINGFELDER HAS COME UP AND GIVEN IT TO US.




11:58:12 HERE IT IS.

11:58:16 WE CAN'T ARGUE THE POINT.

11:58:17 I MEAN, IT SAYS IT HERE.

11:58:19 UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH AN IDEA, CONSIDERABLE TO ALL.

11:58:27 MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

11:58:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: ONE LAST WORD.

11:58:32 THE OFFICE OF LEGAL STAFF AND OTHER STAFF, ESPECIALLY MS.

11:58:37 FEELEY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR PUTTING ALL THE HARD

11:58:41 WORK INTO THIS JUST TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION.

11:58:42 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

11:58:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK EVERYONE HAS SAID THEIR PIECE.

11:58:52 IF THERE ARE ANY MOTIONS TO BE PUT ON THE TABLE I WILL

11:58:55 ACCEPT THEM NOW.

11:58:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON HAD THE FIRST MOTION BUT I

11:59:04 WILL BE GLAD TO GO SECOND.

11:59:08 >>BILL CARLSON: IT SOUND LIKE IT WILL BE QUICKLY DENIED BUT

11:59:11 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY THIS FOR TWO WEEKS

11:59:15 GEORGIA DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

11:59:16 A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. CARLSON.

11:59:18 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL SECOND IT FOR PURPOSES OF

11:59:20 DISCUSSION.

11:59:21 EVERYBODY DESERVES A VOTE.

11:59:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS SECONDED THE MOTION.

11:59:27 ALL IN FAVOR?

11:59:30 ROLL CALL?




11:59:32 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY

11:59:34 DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

11:59:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RIGHT.

11:59:37 ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?

11:59:38 >>LUIS VIERA: I'M SORRY.

11:59:41 IF I MAY, WHEN COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SECOND IT, SAID

11:59:46 EVERYONE DESERVES A VOTE, YOU WILL FIGHT FOR SOMEONE'S RIGHT

11:59:49 TO BE HEARD, SO THANK YOU.

11:59:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

11:59:55 WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

11:59:57 MR. SHELBY.

11:59:58 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.

12:00:02 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RESPECTFULLY, NO.

12:00:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.

12:00:06 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:00:08 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

12:00:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

12:00:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.

12:00:14 >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH EVERYONE EXCEPT FOR CARLSON

12:00:18 VOTING NO.

12:00:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:00:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:00:24 AS I STATED EARLIER, I PROVIDED THE TWO DOCUMENTS THIS

12:00:27 MORNING.

12:00:27 ONE IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US ON ITEM 8.




12:00:34 AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS SPECIFICALLY I DON'T WANT TO CALL

12:00:39 THIS OUT, MR. SHELBY SUGGESTED I DO SO, SPECIFICALLY LAND

12:00:42 USE POLICY 5.1.9, WHICH IN THE HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW AREAS

12:00:48 IDENTIFIES THE TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS, AND I READ THOSE

12:00:53 INTO THE RECORD BEFORE DALE MABRY THROUGH WESTSHORE

12:00:59 BOULEVARD, NORTH OF KENNEDY.

12:01:02 I'M SPECIFICALLY MAKING REFERENCE TO THOSE.

12:01:04 AND MR. MIRANDA, I PROBABLY WASN'T CLEAR BEFORE.

12:01:08 WHAT I AM SAYING HERE IS THAT THE ORDINANCE -- I WANT STAFF

12:01:13 TO TAKE A FEW HOURS UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON TO MODIFY THE

12:01:16 ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING, AND THE ORDINANCE WOULD NOT

12:01:20 INCLUDE ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN ONE QUARTER WALKING

12:01:25 DISTANCE -- AND I SAY WALKING DISTANCE, NOT AS THE CROW

12:01:30 FLIES BUT WALKING DISTANCE -- FROM THESE MAJOR STREETS,

12:01:33 THESE MAJOR ROADWAYS, THESE MAJOR TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS

12:01:38 THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ON HERE.

12:01:39 SO THE FLIP SIDE IS, ANY PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN

12:01:48 THESE TRANSIT ORIENTED, TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS COULD GO

12:01:53 FORWARD USING THE F.A.R. AS INTENSE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE

12:01:58 THEY ARE ON TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS, BUT THE OTHER SIDE

12:02:02 IS, LET'S NOT ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE F.A.R. REMOVED

12:02:07 PLACES.

12:02:07 AND IT'S NOT JUST SOUTH OF GANDY, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER

12:02:12 FAR REMOVED PLACES THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO HAVE TRANSIT

12:02:16 EVER, AND THEY DON'T DESERVE TO USE THOSE F.A.R. NUMBERS.




12:02:19 THAT'S THE INTENT OF MY MOTION.

12:02:21 FITS NOT CLEAR PLEASE ASK ME.

12:02:23 AND MY MOTION IS TO ASK STAFF TO MAKE A SIMPLE, A SIMPLE

12:02:28 ADDITION TO THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS TO EXEMPT ANY PROJECTS

12:02:34 WITHIN -- THAT ARE CALLED OUT WITHIN THAT LAND USE POLICY

12:02:39 5.1.9.

12:02:44 >>BILL CARLSON: AND I WILL SECOND IT SINCE HE SECONDED

12:02:46 MINE.

12:02:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CARLSON SECONDED IT.

12:02:51 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:02:52 >>BILL CARLSON: DID YOU TALK TO THE SOG LEADERS? BECAUSE

12:02:56 GANDY, I THINK THEY WOULD NOTE LIKE GANDY AND DALE MABRY

12:02:59 INCLUDED IN THIS.

12:02:59 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I TALKED TO THEM YESTERDAY GENERICALLY

12:03:02 ABOUT TRYING NOT TO DO THE WHOLE CITY, OKAY?

12:03:06 AND SO THEN I CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA.

12:03:09 I KNOW THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE THRILLED ABOUT INCLUDING

12:03:11 GANDY AND DALE MABRY, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?

12:03:13 WE CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME.

12:03:15 WE CAN'T PLEASE ALL THE DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME, AND I CAN'T

12:03:19 PLEASE MY GOOD FRIEND SOG ALL THE TIME.

12:03:22 >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T SEE 7th AVENUE.

12:03:26 AM I MISSING IT?

12:03:28 IS YBOR IN THERE?

12:03:30 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT SAYS ADAMO DRIVE.




12:03:32 I THINK YBOR IN SOME WAYS IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

12:03:34 >> ARTERIAL ROADS.

12:03:43 >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S ALSO THE REQUEST --

12:03:46 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE

12:03:48 F.A.R. IN YBOR, BILL.

12:03:51 AND STAFF CAN CLARIFY.

12:03:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA -- YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

12:04:00 I SAW YOUR HAND.

12:04:01 >>CAROLE POST: I THINK THIS DISCUSSION ALONE I THINK IS

12:04:08 EVIDENCE THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN

12:04:11 TWO HOURS WHAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING AND BANTERING BACK AND

12:04:16 FORTH.

12:04:16 IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

12:04:18 I ASSURE YOU ALL THAT WE CAN PREPARE A LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE

12:04:22 INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL ORDINANCE IN THAT SHORT PERIOD

12:04:25 OF TIME.

12:04:26 SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO MOVE FORWARD UP OR DOWN ON

12:04:30 THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.

12:04:32 I THINK THAT MR. DINGFELDER'S POINTS AND THE POINTS RAISED

12:04:35 BY MR. COEN ARE GOOD ONES AS FAR AS THE TRANSIT EMPHASIS

12:04:39 CORRIDORS GO, AND MAYBE THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT

12:04:42 TO GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH RESPECT TO THE

12:04:45 PERMANENT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE UNDERWAY

12:04:49 THAT THEY LOOK AT EXEMPTING THOSE AREAS ON A PERMANENT

12:04:52 BASIS.




12:04:52 .

12:04:55 AND ALLOWING USE OF THE F.A.R. THERE.

12:04:57 I THINK THAT'S -- I THINK MR. DINGFELDER DID SOMETHING HE'S

12:05:05 ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT DOING, ON AN INTERIM BASIS, ALLOWING

12:05:08 MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT ON A TRANSIT ORIENTED CORRIDOR.

12:05:14 I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK IN A

12:05:16 COUPLE OF HOURS WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REAL CLEAR AT THIS

12:05:20 STAGE.

12:05:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN?

12:05:24 I WILL RESPECT MS. GRIMES REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TIME.

12:05:27 I AM NOT VERY INTERESTED IN GIVING ANYBODY AN ADDITIONAL

12:05:33 YEAR, BECAUSE THE SOUTH OF GANDY FOLKS AND OTHER FOLKS IN

12:05:37 THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NOT JUST SOUTH OF GANDY.

12:05:39 WE HAVE BEEN GETTING HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS FROM FOLKS ALL

12:05:41 ACROSS THE CITY ON THE OVERINTENSIFICATION OF DEVELOPMENT IN

12:05:47 THIS CITY.

12:05:48 SO IT'S NOT JUST SOG.

12:05:50 BUT I WILL RESPECT MS. GRIMES REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TIME,

12:05:54 AND SORT OF BIG I PACK ON MR. CARLSON'S MOTION EARLIER

12:05:58 MOTION, BUT WITH MORE SPECIFICITY THAT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW,

12:06:03 STAFF, WE WOULD REQUEST STAFF TO RESPOND AND COME BACK WITH

12:06:09 AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD INCORPORATE WHAT I JUST SAID.

12:06:11 AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID.

12:06:14 SO INSTEAD OF MY MOTION TO COME BACK -- CAN I FINISH?

12:06:21 INSTEAD OF MY MOTION TO COME BACK AFTER LUNCH, MY MOTION




12:06:28 WOULD BE TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

12:06:30 AND I THINK TWO WEEKS IS PLENTY OF TIME FOR THEM TO INCLUDE

12:06:32 THE VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE THAT I SAID, AND IF THEY CAN'T DO

12:06:35 IT, I WILL DO IT MYSELF, THE VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE I SAID

12:06:39 MODIFYING THIS ORDINANCE.

12:06:43 >>GINA GRIMES: I HAVE A QUESTION.

12:06:44 ISN'T THAT THE SAME AS JUST CONTINUING IT?

12:06:46 I THOUGHT THAT MOTION WAS JUST VOTED DOWN.

12:06:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S CONTINUING IT FOR A SPECIFIC

12:06:51 PURPOSE.

12:06:51 MR. CARLSON'S MOTION, I WILL RESPECTFULLY REPEAT IT, WAS TO

12:06:55 CONTINUE IT TO ALLOW STAFF TO CONVERT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD,

12:06:59 ET CETERA.

12:07:00 MY MOTION IS MUCH MORE SPECIFIC, MS. GRIMES, WITH A SPECIFIC

12:07:04 LANGUAGE INCLUSION TO COME BACK FOR FIRST READING WITH THAT

12:07:07 LANGUAGE INCLUDED.

12:07:11 AND I SAY IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH TO RECOMMEND IT TO THE

12:07:14 PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A YEAR FROM NOW, THEN IT'S GOOD

12:07:17 ENOUGH TO INCLUDE IN OUR TEMPORARY ORDINANCE.

12:07:25 >>GINA GRIMES: I HAVE TO DEGREE, POSTPONING IT FOR TWO WEEKS

12:07:29 TO MAKE THIS CHANGE WOULD RESOLVE EVERYONE'S ISSUES, I THINK

12:07:32 THAT WOULD BE A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR.

12:07:34 BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. GUDES IN THAT AT THE END,

12:07:39 THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO IS UNHAPPY WITH ALL OF THIS

12:07:42 SO I KNOW THAT EVERYONE IS TRYING VERY HARD TO PLEASE




12:07:46 EVERYONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS

12:07:50 WITH A MODIFIED VERSION IS GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

12:07:55 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL JUST SAY ONE FINAL THING.

12:07:57 WE CAN'T SOLVE EVERYTHING.

12:07:59 WE WOULD HAVE TO GO ON A PARCEL BY PARCEL BASIS ACROSS THE

12:08:03 WHOLE CITY TO TRY TO SOLVE EVERYTHING.

12:08:05 BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A COUNCIL THAT DOES

12:08:08 NOTHING, THE COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T RESPOND TO THESE E-MAILS

12:08:12 THAT ARE COMING AT US RIGHT AND LEFT.

12:08:15 THERE'S 15 E-MAILS TODAY ALONE.

12:08:19 IF THERE'S 10 E-MAILS FROM DEVELOPERS ATTORNEYS, BUT THERE'S

12:08:22 50 E-MAILS FROM REAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE

12:08:26 TRAFFIC AND THE EVACUATION ISSUES FACING US TODAY.

12:08:29 SO WITH THAT, I WILL RESTATE MY MOTION, IF I GET A SECOND,

12:08:34 IF I GET A VOTE, WHATEVER.

12:08:35 MY MOTION IS COME BACK FROM TWO WEEKS FROM NOW WITH THE

12:08:38 FIRST READING WITH THE EXACT SAME ORDINANCE BUT TO INCLUDE

12:08:41 AND MAKE REFERENCE TO LAND USE POLICY 5.1.9 AND EXCLUDE

12:08:46 THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN ONE QUARTER MILE OF THE

12:08:50 TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS OF LAND USE POLICY 5.1.9.

12:08:56 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND DOES THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION AGREE

12:08:59 WITH THE RESTATEMENT?

12:09:00 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:09:07 >>CAROLE POST: IT'S CAROLE POST, ADMINISTRATOR FOR

12:09:09 DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.




12:09:11 I RESPECT COUNCIL AND THE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER IS TRYING TO

12:09:17 NAVIGATE THE COMPETING INTERESTS.

12:09:22 I THINK WE ALL HAVE BEEN, CERTAINLY RESPECT THE CONTINUED

12:09:26 EFFORTS.

12:09:27 I WOULD JUST REMIND COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS THREE

12:09:31 TIMES NOW IN TERMS OF GOING BACK, GOING BACK TO THE CITY,

12:09:35 TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S ISSUES AND NAVIGATE AND FINE

12:09:38 TUNE THE LANGUAGE, AND WHILE I AGREE, WE WILL NEVER MAKE

12:09:43 EVERYONE HAPPY, I FEEL LIKE SPENDING ANOTHER TWO WEEKS, WE

12:09:50 WILL LIKELY END UP WHERE WE STARTED, WHICH IS A SOLUTION

12:09:56 THAT HAS PERHAPS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

12:09:58 THAT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF OUR ACHILLES HEEL EACH TIME WE

12:10:03 THINK WE HAVE A WORKABLE SOLUTION WILL RESULT IN UNINTENDED

12:10:06 CONSEQUENCES.

12:10:07 AND I WOULD FINALLY OFFER THAT.

12:10:10 THIS IS NOT A COUNCIL THAT DOES NOTHING.

12:10:12 THE COUNCIL ADOPTED, ITS A RESOLUTION ON APRIL 1st,

12:10:20 PROCEEDED FASTER THAN NORMAL ACTUALLY WITH A COMP PLAN

12:10:23 AMENDMENT TO PERMANENTLY ADDRESS THE F.A.R., WHICH IS WHAT

12:10:26 THE SOUTH OF GANDY NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES REQUESTED US

12:10:29 TO DO DURING THAT TAMPA CITY COUNCIL HALL MEETING, AND MOST

12:10:33 OF THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT WAS REPRESENTED THERE THAT

12:10:35 DAY AGREED WITH IT, RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S JUST ONE STEP OF

12:10:40 MANY, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP, AND IT IS ALSO A STEP THAT

12:10:44 IS A DELIBERATE MEASURED PROCESS THAT HAS FULL THROATED




12:10:50 COMMUNITY AND OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT, PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND

12:10:53 FEEDBACK, SO THAT IT CAN BE FINE TUNED OVER TIME

12:11:00 SO I JUST OFFER THAT FOR CONSIDERATION.

12:11:02 THANK YOU.

12:11:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.

12:11:06 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MS. POST.

12:11:08 THE REALITY IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE ELIMINATING F.A.R. IN

12:11:14 THESE TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.

12:11:17 THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING INTENSE

12:11:21 GROWTH.

12:11:21 THOSE ARE THE AREAS UP AND DOWN KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND SOME

12:11:26 OF THESE OTHER PLACES WHERE WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THE

12:11:29 DENSITY, AND THAT WAY THE DENSITIES GO DOWN WHERE IT

12:11:34 SHOULDN'T BE, IN PLACES THAT ARE REMOTE AND CAUSE TRAFFIC

12:11:40 AND EVACUATION ISSUES AND OTHER CONSEQUENCES THAT WE DON'T

12:11:44 WANT.

12:11:45 AND MS. POST, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW

12:11:48 HOW WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING DENSITY ALONG THESE TRANSIT

12:11:52 EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.

12:11:54 SO I THINK WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING, THAT IN THE SHORT

12:11:56 TERM, YOU ARE SAYING IT IN THE LONG-TERM, BECAUSE I KNOW

12:11:59 OVER THE NEXT YEAR PEOPLE INCLUDING YOURSELVES ARE GOING TO

12:12:03 SAY, NOW WHAT?

12:12:04 LET'S ELIMINATE F.A.R. IN SOME PLACES BUT NOT OTHER PLACES

12:12:08 AND THESE WHAT I AM SAYING EXCEPT I AM SAYING LET'S DO IT IN




12:12:10 THE SHORT TERM, TOO, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T THESE PROPERTIES

12:12:13 ARE GOING TO COME IN FOR REZONING, THEY ARE GOING TO STICK

12:12:16 THEIR CAMEL'S NOSE UNDER THE TENT AND COME IN FOR REZONING

12:12:20 NOW.

12:12:20 THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THIS TYPE OF INTERIM DEVELOPMENT CONTROL

12:12:23 ORDINANCE, TO PREVENT THAT IN AREAS THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE.

12:12:28 THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS.

12:12:29 AND I GOT A SECOND.

12:12:30 AND I APPRECIATE IT.

12:12:32 >>CAROLE POST: IF I MAY JUST RESPOND TO THAT BRIEFLY.

12:12:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. POST, LET ME GO TO MR. VIERA.

12:12:41 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I DON'T MIND MS. POST GOING FIRST, UNLESS

12:12:45 YOU WANT ME TO GO BEFORE.

12:12:47 BUT I DON'T MIND.

12:12:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, MS. POST, GO AHEAD.

12:12:50 >>CAROLE POST: I APPRECIATE IT.

12:12:52 JUST TO BRIEFLY RESPOND, WE CERTAINLY DO AGREE THAT THERE

12:12:55 ARE MANY AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE INTENSITY AND DENSITY ARE

12:12:59 BOTH APPROPRIATE AND DESIRED, AND THAT IS OUR PLAN AS WELL.

12:13:06 THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROACHED ME TO SET THAT OUT AND

12:13:11 TODAY, THE REASON WHY WE DO NOT NECESSARILY SUPPORT THIS

12:13:15 TODAY IS THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, SOME WOULD BE

12:13:21 ULTIMATE LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.

12:13:23 THE BONUS OPTIONS REMAIN IN PLACE, MIXED USE OPTIONS, THESE

12:13:29 ARE ALL TOOLS THAT CAN BE USED TO ACHIEVE THOSE DENSITIES




12:13:33 WITHOUT F.A.R., NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION

12:13:39 CHANGES MAY NOT HAVE ADAPTATION AND REFINEMENT, BUT WITH OR

12:13:43 WITHOUT THEM, THERE REMAINS AN ARRAY OF TOOLS AVAILABLE IN

12:13:47 THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, IN THE CITY, TO DRIVE DENSITY AND

12:13:51 INTENSITY WHERE WE DESIRE IT.

12:13:53 >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

12:13:59 WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPOSAL THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER PUT

12:14:02 FORWARD, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I COULD SUPPORT DOWN THE

12:14:05 LINE AND WANTED TO LOOK AT IT FURTHER.

12:14:07 I SEE HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, BRUCE B. DOWNS BEING INCLUDED IN

12:14:10 HERE, AND AREA WHERE TONS AND TONS OF BUILDING

12:14:13 INTENSIFICATION, ET CETERA, WOULD HAVE TO HONESTLY PROBABLY

12:14:16 SPEND MORE TIME ON THIS.

12:14:18 WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS TO JUST HAVE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE

12:14:22 ON NUMBER 8, AND THEN MAYBE WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, AND SEE

12:14:27 IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS.

12:14:30 AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN HAVE BOTH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THIS

12:14:35 COMES BEFORE US, AND WE INVESTIGATE IT, DO THE PROPER

12:14:37 RESEARCH, ET CETERA, ON IT, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, JUMPING INTO

12:14:41 IT RIGHT NOW, AND WE DEAL WITH NUMBER 8, IF NUMBER 8 FAILS.

12:14:45 AND NUMBER 8 PASSED LAST TIME, SO THERE YOU GO.

12:14:48 BUT JUST MY THOUGHTS.

12:14:49 THANK YOU.

12:14:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME ASK MS. POST OR MRS. GRIMES, I

12:14:57 HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ANSWER. I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE COUNTY WAS




12:15:00 ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY DO WITH DEVELOPMENT, AND CARVE OUT A

12:15:04 SECTION, BUT YET WE HEARD THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT.

12:15:08 CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO THAT TO ME?

12:15:14 >>GINA GRIMES: THE REASON IS THEY HAVE THE -- MORATORIUM IN

12:15:19 A AREA BUT AS DEMONSTRATED TO YOU ON APRIL 1st IS USE OF

12:15:24 THE F.A.R. INCREASED THE COMP PLAN DENSE DIS, EIGHTS

12:15:27 CITY-WIDE PROBLEM, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO SUPPORT

12:15:30 IMPLEMENTING COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND A MORATORIUM IN JUST

12:15:34 ONE SECTION OF THE CITY, WHEN YOU HAVE A CITY-WIDE PROBLEM.

12:15:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY.

12:15:42 SO GO BACK TO THE DATA.

12:15:44 >>CAROLE POST: MR. CHAIRMAN GUDES, AND COUNCIL, JUST TO

12:15:50 REITERATE ONE POINT THAT MAY BE RELEVANT IS THAT THE FIRST

12:15:53 STEP OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS ACTUALLY END THE

12:16:00 25th, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

12:16:02 THAT IS THE FIRST OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS ON THE PLAN

12:16:05 AMENDMENT.

12:16:06 SO IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO BEGIN THIS DISCUSSION IN

12:16:10 CONCERT WITH THE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS.

12:16:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS.

12:16:17 IF WE VOTE THIS UP OR DOWN, AND IT'S VOTED DOWN,

12:16:25 ARE WE SAYING THAT -- LOOK AT MR. DINGFELDER'S IDEA TO SEND

12:16:32 TO LEGAL, AND POSSIBLE TO GET THE ORDINANCE?

12:16:37 THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF HEARING.

12:16:38 >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE DO HIS MOTION FIRST?




12:16:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PROCEDURALLY, MR. SHELBY CAN PROBABLY

12:16:46 SPEAK TO IT, BUT I THINK IF I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON

12:16:49 THE FLOOR, IT TAKES PREEM EVENINGS OVER ITEM 8 AS IT STANDS,

12:16:55 AND FRANKLY THAT WILL BE MY PREFERENCE.

12:16:57 BECAUSE IT'S A SUBSTITUTE FOR ITEM 8.

12:17:00 SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE ITEM 8 THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT I AM

12:17:05 TRYING TO DO.

12:17:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY MORE DISCUSSION BEFORE A VOTE?

12:17:11 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

12:17:12 I'M A STREET GUY.

12:17:13 BUT I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TIE THIS INTO ITEM 8 AND SAY THE

12:17:16 SAME THING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CONTEXT AS ITEM

12:17:19 8 ON THIS AGENDA.

12:17:20 AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY.

12:17:21 I DON'T PLAN TO BE ONE EITHER.

12:17:26 AND THIS AGENDA READS DIFFERENTLY THAN THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION

12:17:29 OR THE NEW SUBSTITUTE MOTION COMING ON.

12:17:31 SO YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S ITEM NUMBER 8.

12:17:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I CLARIFY THAT, MR. MIRANDA?

12:17:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.

12:17:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU.

12:17:42 WHEN STAFF TAKES THIS AND MASSAGES IT AND INCORPORATES IT,

12:17:47 THIS POLICY, THIS LAND USE POLICY, AND THE EXCEPTIONS THAT I

12:17:51 AM TALKING ABOUT, AND COMBS BACK TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, IT WILL

12:17:54 BE A MODIFIED ITEM 8.




12:17:58 AS IT IS TODAY, NO, ITEM 8 DOESN'T SPEAK TO THESE ITEMS

12:18:02 BECAUSE THESE ITEMS DIDN'T COME UP UNTIL I BROUGHT THEM UP.

12:18:05 BUT THAT'S WHY WE ARE -- AND THE INTENT MIGHT HAVE MOTION IS

12:18:09 TO GIVE LEGAL, STAFF, TWO WEEKS TO COME BACK TO US AND GIVE

12:18:13 US -- AND IT'S REALLY NOT A BIG MODIFICATION.

12:18:16 I MEAN, IT'S REALLY INSERTING TWO PARAGRAPHS.

12:18:19 SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF MY MOTION.

12:18:25 I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET A VOTE ON MY MOTION, SO WE CAN

12:18:29 JUST MOVE ON IT.

12:18:30 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT YOU HAVE IS A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO W

12:18:37 SPECIFIC MOTION TO STAFF.

12:18:38 ULTIMATELY THE MOTION WILL BE VOTED UP OR DOWN.

12:18:41 THE MOTION WILL BE IN ORDER.

12:18:42 AND THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IF THE MOTION DOES FAIL THEN A

12:18:46 MOTION ON FIRST READING, OR A MOTION TO NOT GO TO FIRST

12:18:53 READING WOULD THEN BE IN ORDER.

12:18:54 IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.

12:18:56 SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO TAKE THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE

12:18:59 FLOOR WITH THE SECOND BEFORE YOU MOVE ON.

12:19:03 BUT BOTH COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER I

12:19:09 BELIEVE ARE BOTH CORRECT.

12:19:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR.

12:19:13 DINGFELDER.

12:19:14 SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.

12:19:15 MS. GRIMES, I SAW YOUR HAND UP REAL QUICK.




12:19:19 >>GINA GRIMES: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

12:19:20 I STILL AM NOT CLEAR WHAT IT IS, WHAT DIRECTION YOU ARE

12:19:23 TRYING TO GIVE STAFF.

12:19:24 YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSIT EMPHASIS CORRIDORS BEING

12:19:27 EXCLUDED, BUT IS DALE MABRY EXCLUDED?

12:19:30 IS PARTS OF NEW TAMPA EXCLUDED?

12:19:32 SOME COUNCILMEN WANTED IT INCLUDED.

12:19:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME CLARIFY.

12:19:39 I'M SORRY.

12:19:40 BUT LET ME CLARIFY, GINA.

12:19:43 YOU HAVE GOT A COPY OF THIS FROM MR. GARRETT THIS MORNING

12:19:47 AND I AM SORRY IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

12:19:49 I APOLOGIZE.

12:19:50 BUT THIS DOCUMENT SPECIFICALLY LAND USE POLICY 5.1.9 WHICH

12:19:55 IS IN FRONT OF ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS IDENTIFIES ABOUT A DOZEN

12:19:59 MAJOR ROADS THAT ARE LAND USE POLICY IN OUR COMP PLANS

12:20:05 DESCRIBES AS TRANSIT TAMPA SIS CORRIDORS.

12:20:08 WHAT I AM SAYING IS -- EMPHASIS CORRIDORS.

12:20:13 WHAT I AM SAYING INSTEAD OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE BROAD BRUSH

12:20:16 APPROACH THAT IS FRONT OF US ON ITEM 8 IN REGARD TO THE

12:20:18 ORDINANCE THAT'S PENDING, I AM TRYING TO CARVE OUT A HUGE

12:20:22 AMOUNT OF THE CITY THAT THE SO-CALLED MORATORIUM WOULD NOT

12:20:27 APPLY TO, WOULD NOT APPLY TO.

12:20:30 SO WE ARE SHRINKING DOWN ITEM 8, TREMENDOUSLY, TO EXCLUDE

12:20:35 ALL OF THESE DOZEN ROAD CORRIDORS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN




12:20:39 5.1.9, AND ANY PROPERTY THAT'S WITHIN A QUARTER MILE WALKING

12:20:45 DISTANCE, WALKING DISTANCE, FROM THOSE CORRIDORS.

12:20:49 SO I AM DOING EXACTLY WHAT ALL THOSE LAND USE ATTORNEYS

12:20:53 ASKED FOR, OKAY?

12:20:54 AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT WILL HELP THE SOUTH OF GANDY FOLKS,

12:21:00 TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY DOWN THERE THAT IS

12:21:05 NOT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF GANDY AND NOT WITHIN A QUARTER

12:21:08 MILE WALKING OF DALE MABRY.

12:21:09 AND THOSE WOULD BE THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY

12:21:13 THIS ORDINANCE.

12:21:15 AND I AM NOT SAYING IT'S PEST.

12:21:17 NOTHING IS PERFECT.

12:21:18 BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE RESPONDED TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE

12:21:21 TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IN THE SHORT TERM WHILE STAFF IS

12:21:23 TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IN THE LONG-TERM.

12:21:25 AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF MY MOTION.

12:21:26 >>GINA GRIMES: I GUESS WHAT I AM CONFUSED ABOUT IS THAT'S

12:21:31 DIFFERENT FROM THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN

12:21:33 ADVANCED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

12:21:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RIGHT.

12:21:35 MODIFY --

12:21:37 >>GINA GRIMES: UNDER THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, I CAN

12:21:40 RECOLLECT ON SOIL THAT.

12:21:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WE WOULD MODIFY OUR MOTION TO THE

12:21:44 COMP PLAN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACCORDINGLY IF THIS




12:21:47 PASSES.

12:21:48 >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE WHOLE, I THINK,

12:21:52 UNCERTAINTY WITH MORATORIUM, IS YOU HAVE A COMP PLAN THEMED

12:21:56 THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND LIKELY GOING TO BE MADE, SO

12:22:00 THAT'S WHY A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS ARE CONNECTING -- OBJECTING

12:22:04 TO THE MORATORIUM BECAUSE THE MORATORIUM IS DIFFERENT THAN

12:22:07 WHAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE ADOPTED.

12:22:10 AND THAT IS THE DOWN SIDE TO ADOPTING THE MORATORIUM BEFORE

12:22:17 THE ORDINANCE, THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, HAS GONE THROUGH THE

12:22:21 PROCESS AND HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND ADJUSTED TO MEET

12:22:25 EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS.

12:22:27 SO YOU ARE IMPOSING AN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, A MORATORIUM, ON

12:22:32 DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY ULTIMATELY BE PERMITTED UNDER THE COMP

12:22:37 PLAN AMENDMENT THAT'S EVENTUALLY ADOPTED.

12:22:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT THAT'S WHAT ITEM 8 WOULD HAVE DONE.

12:22:44 I AM JUST SHRINKING IT DOWN TREMENDOUSLY.

12:22:46 I AM SHRINKING THE IMPACT OF ITEM 8 TREMENDOUSLY, MASSIVELY,

12:22:51 OKAY, BY EXEMPTING THESE CORRIDORS.

12:22:56 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK WE SHOULD LET'S

12:23:00 JUST GET A VOTE AND BE DONE WITH IT.

12:23:02 IF IT PASSES THEN WE DIRECTED LEGAL STAFF TO DO IT.

12:23:05 IF IT DOESN'T, LET'S MOVE ON.

12:23:07 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND THIS IS MY LAST CONVERSATION ON THIS

12:23:11 ITEM.

12:23:11 I AM NOT AGAINST WHAT MR. DINGFELDER HAS BROUGHT UP.




12:23:14 BUT I WANT TO BE AS LEGALLY CORRECT 110% AS POSSIBLE.

12:23:20 WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S THE SAME BUT IS

12:23:22 DIFFERENT, AND THE APPROACH.

12:23:24 IT'S THE SAME TEXT WITH A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THE

12:23:28 CONVERSATION, JUST SETTLED BY BOTH SIDES.

12:23:31 THIS SIDE, RIGHT OR LEFT, LEFT OR RIGHT, SO THEY CAN COME TO

12:23:35 A CONCLUSION.

12:23:36 HOWEVER, WHEN YOU ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO COME BACK WITH

12:23:38 A NEW ORDINANCE WITHIN TWO WEEKS, THAT MEANS WE WORKSHOP

12:23:42 EVERYTHING.

12:23:44 IF SOMEBODY GET A OH COLD WE CALL FOR A WORK SHOWN.

12:23:49 HOWEVER LET'S LET THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT I AM 110% SO

12:23:53 LATER ON WE DON'T GET BIT AND SAY, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS

12:23:56 WAS HAPPENING, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT MR. DINGFELDER BROUGHT

12:23:58 IN, AND NOT A BAD IDEA, IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT IS LEGALLY

12:24:03 SATISFIED.

12:24:03 WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN TWO WEEKS COME BACK WITHOUT A

12:24:06 WORKSHOP, THE PUBLIC USUALLY DOESN'T HAVE THE RATE TO SPEAK

12:24:11 AT FIRST, ON THE FIRST HEARING OF THE CONSIDERATION.

12:24:13 SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE TIME WHEN IT COMES BACK TWO

12:24:18 WEEKS LATER.

12:24:19 SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND

12:24:21 SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE BOTH SIDES ARE GOING TO BE

12:24:23 CRITICIZED FOR NOT HAVING A PROPER TIME AND A PROPER THEATER

12:24:27 TO FLESH OUT THESE THINGS AND WORK THEM OUT.




12:24:30 I AM NOT AGAINST WHAT MR. DINGFELDER SAID.

12:24:32 I DON'T WANT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE 1,000%

12:24:36 CORRECT.

12:24:36 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:24:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DON'T THINK WE ARE EVER GOING TO BE A

12:24:41 THOUSAND PERCENT CORRECT.

12:24:43 BUT I THINK AGAIN I SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY

12:24:48 HAPPY.

12:24:49 WE MAY COME CLOSE.

12:24:51 BUT IN MY MIND, WHAT I AM HEARING, WHEN I LOOK AT THE

12:24:54 DOCUMENT, MR. DINGFELDER HAS SUBMITTED, HE HAS VALID POINTS.

12:25:01 AGAIN, YOU SAY LEGALLY.

12:25:02 WE HAVE TO GET THE FACTS TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO

12:25:05 DO TO MAKE IT LEGAL OR MAKE IT WORK.

12:25:07 RIGHT NOW WE ARE NO SITUATION, UP OR DOWN.

12:25:10 DO WE SEND IT ALL BACK AND TRY TO SEE IF THEY CAN -- SEE IF

12:25:15 IT CAN LEGALLY WORK AND BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK AND HAVE A

12:25:18 WORKSHOP OR HAVE WHATEVER WHETHER THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO GO

12:25:25 FOR IT OR NOT, DEVELOPERS GO FOR IT OR NOT, BUT AT THE END

12:25:28 OF THE DAY, SOMEBODY STILL ISN'T GOING TO BE HAPPY.

12:25:32 PERIOD.

12:25:33 MR. CARLSON.

12:25:34 >>BILL CARLSON: THIS WILL BE MY FINAL COMMENT ON THIS

12:25:36 TOPIC.

12:25:36 MR. DINGFELDER, I THINK YOU USED THE RIGHT TERM EARLIER.




12:25:40 UNFORTUNATELY WE THINK CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM

12:25:42 BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE.

12:25:43 WE ASKED FOR BASED ON THE DEMANDS OF THE SOUTH OF GANDY

12:25:47 FOLKS, WE ASKED FOR A SOUTH OF GANDY SOLUTION, THAT

12:25:51 SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED A CERTAIN PROBLEM, AND WE HAVE GOT A

12:25:53 SOLUTION NOW THAT IS A POISON PILL.

12:25:56 AND THE DEVELOPERS ARE MAD THAT PEOPLE SOUTH OF GANDY ARE

12:25:59 NOT HAPPY, THEY ARE JUST GOING ALONG WITH IT, THE QUESTION

12:26:02 HERE IS WHETHER WE IMPLEMENT IT NOW OR WAIT.

12:26:06 EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT DURING THAT PROCESS -- AND I BELIEVE IN

12:26:08 PUBLIC INPUT AND PUBLIC PROCESS -- BUT IN THAT PROCESS,

12:26:13 PEOPLE WHO ARE ARMED WELL HAVE LOTS OF MONEY ARE GOING TO

12:26:16 INFLUENCE THAT PROCESS MORE THAN THE AVERAGE CITIZEN, AND

12:26:19 WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT ENDS UP.

12:26:20 I THINK IT WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

12:26:22 WAY PREDICT LISTENING TO THE LANGUAGE OF EVERYONE THIS

12:26:25 MORNING AND LOOKING AROUND THE ROOM, I THINK THAT THIS

12:26:28 MOTION IS GOING -- THAT YOU JUST MADE IS GOING TO FAIL.

12:26:32 I THINK THAT THE MOTION FOR NUMBER 8 IS GOING TO FAIL.

12:26:36 AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PREEMPTIVELY SAY TO THE CITIZENS

12:26:40 SOUTH OF GANDY, WE AS A CITY COUNCIL, I THINK, UNANIMOUSLY

12:26:44 ASKED FOR A SOLUTION SOUTH OF GANDY.

12:26:45 WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS SOMETHING THAT THE BROADER

12:26:48 COMMUNITY PEOPLE AND N OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY,

12:26:51 INDIVIDUAL LAND OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS DON'T LIKE, AND THEY




12:26:53 DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT IT AFFECTS THEM INSTEAD OF JUST

12:26:57 SOUTH OF GANDY, AND BECAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE PUT

12:27:00 INTO THIS PROPOSAL WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO GET

12:27:03 ANYTHINGS PASSED.

12:27:04 SO I DON'T LIKE IT.

12:27:07 I HAVE BEEN IN FAVOR OF DENSITY DEVELOPMENT MY WHOLE LIFE.

12:27:09 I DON'T LIKE THIS PROPOSAL.

12:27:11 BUT MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE ASKED ME TO VOTE FOR IT.

12:27:14 SO I WAS ELECTED TO REPRESENT THEM, AND I AM GOING TO VOTE

12:27:17 THE WAY THEY HAVE ASKED ME TO VOTE.

12:27:20 BUT IF THIS FAILS, WHICH IF NUMBER 8 FAILS WHICH I THINK IT

12:27:25 WILL, I WOULD ASK STAFF ESPECIALLY IN THE MEETING WITH THE

12:27:28 MAYOR THIS COMING WEEK TO PLEASE THINK OF A SOLUTION AND

12:27:30 COME BACK, BECAUSE THIS AFTERNOON STARTING THIS AFTERNOON WE

12:27:34 ARE GOING TO GET THOUSANDS OF MORE E-MAILS AND IT'S NOT

12:27:37 GOING TO STOP FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

12:27:39 THANK YOU.

12:27:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN I CLARIFY MY MOTION?

12:27:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: GO AHEAD.

12:27:47 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR.

12:27:48 MY MOTION DOESN'T COMMIT YOU TO VOTING YES ON FIRST READING.

12:27:52 MY MOTION, MR. MIRANDA SPECIFICALLY, MY MOTION SAYS LET'S

12:27:58 DIRECT STAFF TO INCORPORATE THIS LAND USE POLICY THAT I HAVE

12:28:03 SPOKEN TO TEN TIMES NOW, INCORPORATE IT INTO THE ORDINANCE,

12:28:09 AND BRING IT BACK FOR FIRST READING IN TWO WEEKS.




12:28:13 AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE WILL GET PLENTY OF INPUT, WE'LL GET

12:28:17 PLENTY OF STAFF INPUT, WE'LL GET PLENTY OF LEGAL INPUT.

12:28:20 IF LEGAL SAYS WE ARE TOTALLY OFFBASE I AM SURE THEY WON'T BE

12:28:24 SHY IN TELLING US, OKAY.

12:28:26 BUT THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS.

12:28:28 SO JUST A VOTE TODAY TO SAY, HMMM, DINGFELDER, MAYBE THAT'S

12:28:33 NOT A BAD APPROACH, LET'S LOOK AT IN THE TWO WEEKS AND I CAN

12:28:38 ASSURE YOU IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK.

12:28:40 OKAY.

12:28:42 IT'S PUTTING IN A COUPLE EXTRA PARAGRAPHS TO WHAT WE HAVE

12:28:46 ALREADY DONE.

12:28:46 SO THAT WOULD BE MY REQUEST.

12:28:48 AND TWO WEEKS FROM NOW IF WE DON'T LIKE IT WE CAN VOTE IT

12:28:50 DOWN.

12:28:51 >>RANDY GOERS: CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

12:29:00 JUST TO SHED SOME LIGHT.

12:29:01 THE ADDITION OF MOVING THE ORDINANCE AROUND THE PRIMARY

12:29:06 TRANSIT CORRIDORS, ESPECIALLY DOWN IN GANDY OR DALE MABRY,

12:29:09 IS COUNTER TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING THROUGHOUT THE

12:29:13 PROCESS AS FAR AS WHERE A ROAD SHOULD GO AND WE CAN GO BACK

12:29:18 TO ALL THE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HEARD PAST AUGUST, AND ALSO THE

12:29:24 COMMUNITY'S CONCERN ABOUT WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS ROLL CALL

12:29:27 VOTE -- LOCATED ALONG GANDY AND DALE MABRY, AND IN HURRICANE

12:29:33 TIME AND SO FORTH, SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE TRANSIT

12:29:39 CORRIDORS DOES BRING US, I THINK, TO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN




12:29:42 DISCUSSING ALL ALONG, EVEN THOUGH IT NARROWS THE SCOPE OF

12:29:47 THE INTERIM DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

12:29:49 I THINK COMING FROM MY PROFESSIONAL PLANNING EXPERIENCE IS

12:29:52 THAT THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL GAVE A FEW WEEKS AGO TO

12:29:59 PROCESS A PLAN AMENDMENT IS THE PROPER PLACE TO HANDLE THOSE

12:30:02 KIND OF DISCUSSIONS.

12:30:03 IT WILL GIVE THE COMMUNITY, IT GIVES THE STAFF, IT WILL GIVE

12:30:08 YOU AS CITY COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT THE

12:30:13 APPLICATION OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE

12:30:16 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LONG RANGE PLANNING. IT WILL ALSO

12:30:20 PROVIDE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN MISSING

12:30:22 THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, AND THAT IS A PLACE WHERE THE

12:30:28 COMMUNITY CAN COME AND ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND COME TO

12:30:31 CONSENSUS, BUT EVERY TIME WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE

12:30:34 ORDINANCE, A NEW SUGGESTION COMES UP.

12:30:37 BECAUSE OF A SPECIAL INTEREST.

12:30:40 AND ALTHOUGH I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE

12:30:43 PAST, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW WE MAY COME BACK WITH ANOTHER

12:30:46 OPTION TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

12:30:49 SO I DO WANT TO CAUTION OR AT LEAST RAISE THE ISSUE THAT IF

12:30:53 BUILDING THE ORDINANCE AROUND THE PRIMARY TRANSIT CORRIDOR

12:30:56 ESPECIALLY ALONG GANDY AND DALE MABRY SETS US ON A DIRECTION

12:31:00 THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ENVISIONED, SO I JUST WANT

12:31:03 TO RAISE THAT.

12:31:04 AND I DO BELIEVE THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN




12:31:07 PLACE WHICH YOU INITIATED IS I THINK THE PROPER PLACE TO

12:31:13 HANDLE THAT.

12:31:13 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN?

12:31:20 RANDY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT -- AND I HAVE KNOWN YOU

12:31:25 20-SOMETHING YEARS, MR. CARLSON AND MYSELF AND MAYBE SOME

12:31:28 OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, I TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE SOUTH OF

12:31:31 GANDY LIKE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK ABOUT THIS ISSUE INCLUDING

12:31:35 YESTERDAY.

12:31:37 SO I AM VERY, VERY AWARE OF THEIR SENSITIVITIES AND THEIR

12:31:40 DESIRES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

12:31:43 IF I THOUGHT THIS WAS 100% COUNTER TO WHAT THEY WANT, THEN I

12:31:46 WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS.

12:31:49 I TOOK A VERY CLOSE LOOK AT THE MAP THAT WAS UP ON OUR

12:31:53 SCREEN EARLIER.

12:31:54 MR. RANDY COEN PUT UP ON THERE.

12:31:57 OKAY.

12:31:57 IT SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT SOG.

12:32:02 ALL RIGHT.

12:32:02 AND YES, THERE'S A FEW OPPORTUNITIES ALONG GANDY BOULEVARD,

12:32:05 AND THERE'S A FEW OPPORTUNITIES ALONG SOUTH DALE MABRY THAT

12:32:10 STILL MATE COME INTO PLAY.

12:32:12 AND WE CAN DEAL WITH THOSE WHEN THEY COME INTO US FOR

12:32:15 REZONING.

12:32:16 BUT THE ONE THING THAT STAFF HAS NOT PROPOSING IS STAFF,

12:32:20 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, EVERYBODY FROM LEGAL THROUGH MS. POST




12:32:26 ALL THE WAY DOWN, STAFF IS NOT OFFERING ANY SHORT-TERM

12:32:29 SOLUTIONS TO STOP THESE REZONINGS FROM COMING IN.

12:32:33 I AM USING THE F.A.R. AND THESE BIG INTENSIVE APARTMENT

12:32:37 COMPLEXES.

12:32:38 AND I KNOW I SOUND A LITTLE UPSET.

12:32:40 MY WIFE ALWAYS WARNS ME NOT TO SOUND UPSET.

12:32:43 BUT STAFF HAS NOT BEEN OFFERING ANY SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS.

12:32:47 THE ONLY SOLUTION MR. GARRETT YOU PROPOSED WHEN WE TALKED

12:32:50 ABOUT THIS A MONTH AGO WAS YOU SAID, YES, WE ARE GOING TO DO

12:32:53 THIS IN A YEAR AND WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS IN 18 MONTHS, AND

12:32:56 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT'S THE WORLD THAT YOU OPERATE IN.

12:33:00 BUT THESE CITIZENS WHO ARE WRITING TO US, THAT'S NOT THE

12:33:04 WORLD THEY OPERATE IN.

12:33:05 THE WORLD THEY OPERATE IN, OR THAT THESE REZONINGS ARE

12:33:08 COMING TO US WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK, AND WE NEED A

12:33:10 SHORT-TERM SOLUTION, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS INTERIM THING AS

12:33:15 PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED BY ME TODAY WILL PROVIDE.

12:33:18 SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM JUST LOOKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO

12:33:21 THROW THIS TOGETHER IN TWO WEEKS AND COME BACK FOR FIRST

12:33:24 READING, A COMMITMENT TODAY FROM YOU IS NOT --

12:33:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE SOONER WE VOTE ON IT.

12:33:34 MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.

12:33:36 THANK YOU.

12:33:36 I'M GLAD THAT MR. GOERS HAD HIS CHANCE TO CHIME IN.

12:33:39 AND THIS STUDY IS GOING TO GIVE US A HECK OF A LOT MORE




12:33:44 REASONS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHO, HOW AND WHAT WE CAN DO.

12:33:48 AND GIVE US THE LEGAL BASIS IN WHICH WE CAN DO IT.

12:33:55 I AGREE, WE HAVE ALL HEARD FROM SOUTH OF GANDY PEOPLE.

12:33:58 AND AS FAR AS -- I'M HER FAVORITE COUNCILMAN UNLESS OTHER

12:34:07 PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN LITTLE POSTIE NOTES ON THEIR MEMOS, TOO.

12:34:10 >> YOU ARE?

12:34:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOWEVER, HOWEVER, TAKING A SHORT-TERM

12:34:16 RESOLVE TO THIS IS LIKE STEPPING ON A SHOELACE.

12:34:19 WE MIGHT TRIP OVER OURSELVES AFTER WE HEAR FROM RANDY GOERS

12:34:23 AND MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THINGS AROUND AGAIN.

12:34:26 I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE HEARING WHAT WE HAVE WITH THIS

12:34:30 STUDY AND THEN MOVING FORWARD FROM THERE.

12:34:33 I'M FINISHED, MR. CHAIRMAN.

12:34:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECOND BY MR.

12:34:41 CARLSON.

12:34:41 ROLL CALL VOTE.

12:34:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.

12:34:44 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

12:34:45 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

12:34:47 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

12:34:49 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.

12:34:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

12:34:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

12:34:54 >>THE CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH VIERA, MANISCALCO, CITRO,

12:34:59 AND MIRANDA VOTING NO.




12:34:59 >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIR, MAY I SAY SOMETHING?

12:35:03 AND I KNOW WE ARE GOING OVERTIME.

12:35:06 AGAIN, I SAW THIS AS SOMETHING WHICH WOULD IN EFFECT

12:35:11 CONTINUE NUMBER 8.

12:35:11 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD COME BACK TO US IN A COUPLE

12:35:14 WEEKS, IN EFFECT DOING WHAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WANTED.

12:35:18 I JUST THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE

12:35:22 BIT MORE HAVING JUST GOTTEN IT TODAY, AND SOME OF THE

12:35:25 CONCERNS THAT I SAID.

12:35:25 BUT AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD COME BACK.

12:35:29 SO THAT MAY NOT BE DONE WITH.

12:35:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, ARE YOU LOOKING TO PUT A

12:35:35 MOTION UP NOW FOR LATER REVIEW OR UNDER NEW BUSINESS OR MOVE

12:35:39 ON?

12:35:40 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CITY COUNCIL JUST VOTED NO.

12:35:45 AND MR. MANISCALCO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY

12:35:49 PARTICULAR DRUTHERS THAT YOU WOULD RATHER SEE THIS GO, IF

12:35:52 YOU WANT TO SEE IT STUDIED AND COME BACK IN A MONTH, BUT

12:35:57 YOUR VOTE MIGHT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.

12:35:59 BUT I DON'T KNOW.

12:36:00 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LISTENED TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA,

12:36:04 COUNCILMAN CITRO, MR. GOERS AND OTHERS. I THINK WE SHOULD

12:36:07 WAIT, JUST TO BE SAFE.

12:36:11 I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY MISTAKES.

12:36:13 I UNDERSTAND GETTING INFORMATION AND COMING BACK IN TWO




12:36:17 WEEKS BUT THE IS THIS THE RIGHT THING TO DO?

12:36:19 I KNOW HE WAS IMPATIENT BUT I WANT TO SEE ALL THE DATA AND

12:36:24 ALL THE FACTS BEFORE ANYTHING.

12:36:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE STUDIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE

12:36:27 RIGHT HERE.

12:36:28 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I UNDERSTAND.

12:36:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT.

12:36:31 I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

12:36:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS GOING ON.

12:36:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I FEEL THE SAME WAY.

12:36:39 I AM NOT AGAINST ANYONE SOUTH OF TAMPA, SOUTH OF GANDY,

12:36:42 SOUTH OF KENNEDY, SOUTH OF GEORGIA.

12:36:46 BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS 110% CORRECT.

12:36:51 I WOULD RATHER WAIT A LITTLE LONGER AND GET IT DONE SO WE

12:36:56 HAVE NO RAMIFICATION THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT GIVES US

12:36:59 SOMETHING THAT'S 110%, THAT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS CORRECT.

12:37:03 AND I AM NOT AGAINST MR. DINGFELDER.

12:37:05 I AM NOT AGAINST ANYONE.

12:37:06 I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE CORRECTLY.

12:37:08 AND I AM NOT FOR ANYONE.

12:37:10 I JUST WANT TO GET IT DONE RIGHT.

12:37:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?

12:37:18 >>LUIS VIERA: DO WE VOTE ON NUMBER 8 NOW?

12:37:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO YOU WANT TO DO IT AFTER LUNCH?

12:37:26 >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO WE WANT TO DO OUR AGENDA ITEMS AND GET




12:37:29 THIS DONE AN OUT OF THE WAY?

12:37:31 COMMITTEE REPORTS, I'M SORRY.

12:37:32 OUR COMMITTEE REPORTS.

12:37:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT'S ALREADY 12:30.

12:37:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL?

12:37:41 >> [OFF MICROPHONE]

12:37:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

12:37:46 WE ARE RECESSED TILL 1:30.

12:37:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.

12:37:53 (MEETING RECESSED)

12:37:58



01:37:52

01:37:52 >>LUIS VIERA: HERE.

01:40:06 >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

01:40:09 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE.

01:40:14 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.

01:40:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE.

01:40:19 >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.

01:40:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO DO A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING REAL

01:40:23 QUICK.

01:40:24 WE ARE GOING TO JUMP BACK ON NUMBER 8.

01:40:26 WE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSION.

01:40:28 I AM GOING TO GET A MOTION TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THAT ITEM.

01:40:30 AND THEN GO INTO STAFF REPORTS.




01:40:33 CHIEF OF STAFF CALLED ME AND SAID WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON

01:40:37 STANDBY THAT HAVE SUBPOENAS THIS AFTERNOON SO I WANT TO MAKE

01:40:41 SURE WE GET THOSE FOLKS TO COURT AND DON'T CAUSE ANY

01:40:44 PROBLEMS WITH THE CLERK OVER THERE.

01:40:45 I WANT TO TAKE UP NUMBER 8.

01:40:48 MR. SHELBY?

01:40:49 >> MARTIN?

01:40:55 , MR. SHELBY, THOSE WHO WANT TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER 8, I DON'T

01:41:03 THINK WE NEED ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT.

01:41:06 WE JUST NEED TO GET TO A MOTION ON THAT AND ALSO ADVISE THAT

01:41:09 THE CHIEF OF STAFF CALLED ME IN REFERENCE TO STAFF PERSONNEL

01:41:15 HAVE SUBPOENAS THEY HAVE TO HONOR THIS AFTERNOON.

01:41:17 I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THAT.

01:41:19 AND WE'LL GET INTO THE STAFF REPORTS.

01:41:23 MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

01:41:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:41:29 SO I AM GOING TO TAKE MR. MIRANDA'S ADVICE.

01:41:32 BECAUSE AS WE WERE FINISHING UP THAT DISCUSSION ON THE

01:41:36 MODIFIED VERSION OF ITEM 8, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE SAID I

01:41:40 THINK I MIGHT LIKE THE IDEA BUT WE NEED THE WORKSHOP.

01:41:44 AND WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO INSTEAD OF VOTING ON ITEM 8, I

01:41:50 WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE IT AND WORKSHOP IT AT A WORKSHOP, MR.

01:41:56 SHELBY, MIGHT SUGGEST -- DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER RELEVANT

01:42:01 WORKSHOPS ABOUT ZONINGS OR SOUTH OF GANDY OR ANYTHING LIKE

01:42:05 THAT?




01:42:12 TIDEWATER?

01:42:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, YES.

01:42:15 I BELIEVE THE CLERK HAS SOME ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE

01:42:18 ASKED TO BE PUT ON THE --

01:42:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DEPUTY CLERK, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATES?

01:42:25 >> WE HAVE SOME CHAPTER 27 ITEMS FOR MAY 27th.

01:42:29 KEEP IN MIND YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW WORKSHOP ITEMS FOR THAT

01:42:32 DAY, INCLUDING NUMBER 71 AND 72.

01:42:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO ONE OF THEM IS PURE ON MAY 27th.

01:42:44 THEN TWO RELATED PURE.

01:42:47 THEN CHAPTER 27.

01:42:50 AND THE ONE ON THE REFINANCING OF BONDS.

01:42:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT'S ON JOHN -- AND I AM HAVING

01:43:00 TROUBLE HEARING YOU, I'M SORRY.

01:43:01 >>THE CLERK: I'M SORRY.

01:43:04 YOU HAVE HOUSING AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND THE DIFFERENCE

01:43:06 BETWEEN ESSENTIAL WORKERS, YOU HAVE A MOBILITY STAFF TO

01:43:10 SPEAK ON INSTALLING CROSSWALKS, AND LEGAL DEPARTMENT LOOKING

01:43:15 AT THE NEW ZONING ORDINANCES, CHICAGO.

01:43:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO BE CONSCIOUS, ON THE DAYS OF YOUR

01:43:26 WORKSHOPS YOU HAVE NIGHT MEETINGS SCHEDULED.

01:43:28 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO FAR INTO THE AFTERNOONS ON

01:43:30 YOUR WORKSHOPS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

01:43:33 AS A MATTER OF FACT, A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING WHICH WAS

01:43:36 FOLLOWED UP BY A VOTE OF COUNCIL, YOU HAD SPECIFICALLY




01:43:40 REQUESTED THAT WORKSHOPS SCHEDULED FROM 9 TO NOON OR IF

01:43:47 EXTENDED NO LATER THAN 1 P.M.

01:43:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE JUNE DOESN'T SOUND TOO BUSY.

01:43:51 SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM 8 TO

01:43:57 INCORPORATE IT INTO A JUNE WORKSHOP CONSISTENT WITH MR.

01:44:02 MIRANDA'S REQUEST, AND ALSO TO INCLUDE MY EARLIER MOTION

01:44:09 THAT FAILED.

01:44:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.

01:44:15 IS THERE A SECOND?

01:44:16 I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. DINGFELDER.

01:44:17 DO I HAVE A SECOND?

01:44:19 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE?

01:44:22 >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

01:44:23 IN THE SPIRIT OF -- I WILL SUPPORT IT I AM NOT GOING TO

01:44:29 SUPPORT BUT I WILL SECOND IT ONLY FOR PURPOSES OF GETTING A

01:44:31 VOTE OF THE HOWEVER, HOWEVER, WE JUST REJECTED A CONTINUANCE

01:44:38 OF NUMBER 8, AND I KNOW WE ARE MISSING TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.

01:44:42 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD OFF UNTIL THEY COME

01:44:46 BACK.

01:44:47 >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE NO PROBLEM HAVING A VOTE ON IT.

01:44:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WOULD YOU LIKE TO WITHDRAW UNTIL --

01:44:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF WE CAN DEFER MY MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:44:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEW BUSINESS?

01:45:00 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: UNTIL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE

01:45:01 HERE.




01:45:02 LET'S JUST RUN THROUGH THE REST OF THIS STUFF.

01:45:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

01:45:05 WE'LL DEFER NUMBER 8 TILL A FULL COUNCIL ARRIVES.

01:45:10 HOPEFULLY THEY'LL ARRIVE.

01:45:11 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I APPRECIATE THAT.

01:45:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL MOVE ON INTO STAFF REPORTS.

01:45:22 >> CONSENT.

01:45:23 DO YOU WANT TO GET STAFF --

01:45:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, STAFF CALLED ME AND SAID FOLKS ARE

01:45:29 WAITING TO GO TO SOME COURT ISSUES.

01:45:31 I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THEM UP.

01:45:32 I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT MANY STAFF REPORTS.

01:45:36 SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM OUT.

01:45:37 I KNOW HOW IT IS IN COURT AND HOW THE SYSTEM IS OVER THERE.

01:45:44 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THE CLERK BUT FOR

01:45:46 INSTANCE ON PAGE 20, 69 THROUGH 73, I THINK HAVE ALL BEEN

01:45:49 TAKEN CARE OF.

01:45:51 IS THAT RIGHT?

01:45:51 >>THE CLERK: YES.

01:45:53 THE ONLY ITEMS REMAINING IS 74 AND 75, 77 AND 78.

01:45:59 THOSE FOUR ITEMS UNDER STAFF REPORT THAT STILL NEED TO BE

01:46:02 ADDRESSED.

01:46:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 74, 75, 77, 78.

01:46:07 >>THE CLERK: CORRECT.

01:46:08 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.




01:46:17 74 APPEARS TO BE MR. DINGFELDER'S ITEM.

01:46:20 ITEM NUMBER 74.

01:46:23 MR. MASSEY OR MR. ROGERO.

01:46:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY QUESTION IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND I THINK

01:46:36 WE CAN GET THROUGH 74 PRETTY QUICKLY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:46:38 THE MEMORANDUM FROM MR. MASSEY BASICALLY WENT AS HE DOES

01:46:42 WITH EVERYTHING, VERY THOROUGHLY, WENT THROUGH WHAT'S

01:46:44 INVOLVED AND N IMPACT FEES, THAT COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS THE

01:46:48 STATE ARE DOING IMPACT FEES.

01:46:50 I THINK THE LEGISLATURE JUST MODIFIED THE IMPACT FEE STATUTE

01:46:55 SLIGHTLY, BUT IT STILL ALLOWS PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT FEES AND

01:47:00 I AM GETTING A NOD FROM MR. MASSEY, I WILL JUST PUT THAT ON

01:47:03 THE RECORD.

01:47:05 AND AS FAR AS MR. ROGERO, MR. ROGERO, I DON'T KNOW,

01:47:10 BASICALLY I THINK HE SAID YOU ARE LOOKING AT ALL THESE

01:47:13 ISSUES AS RELATED TO THE NEEDS OF FIRE AND RESCUE AND THE

01:47:17 NEEDS OF TPD, WHICH OF COURSE WE ALWAYS DO REGULARLY.

01:47:23 SO MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT INSTEAD OF JUST DEFERRING AND

01:47:27 LETTING IT DRIFT OFF INTO THE WIND, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US

01:47:31 BRING IT BACK PERHAPS IN 90 DAYS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION,

01:47:39 UNLESS MR. ROGERO OR MR. MASSEY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

01:47:41 THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION.

01:47:42 >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

01:47:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

01:47:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BOTH GENTLEMEN ARE OKAY WITH IT.




01:47:52 OKAY.

01:47:52 >>LUIS VIERA: AND I'M SO SORRY, I WAS READING SOMETHING,

01:47:55 JOHN, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

01:47:57 WHAT WAS YOUR MOTION?

01:47:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 90 DAY CONTINUANCE ON THIS ITEM ABOUT

01:48:00 IMPACT FEES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

01:48:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION FROM MR. DINGFELDER.

01:48:05 SECOND FROM MR. MANISCALCO.

01:48:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO WE HAVE A DATE, PLEASE?

01:48:08 >>THE CLERK: AUGUST 5th.

01:48:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AUGUST 5th UNDER STAFF REPORTS IN

01:48:16 THE AFTERNOON.

01:48:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

01:48:19 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:48:20 ANY OPPOSED?

01:48:22 MOTION CARRIES.

01:48:22 >>LUIS VIERA: AND THANK YOU, SIR.

01:48:27 CONSISTENT WITH THAT, I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE REQUESTED

01:48:31 THE ADMINISTRATION LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT AMERICAN RELIEF

01:48:34 DOLLARS COULD GO IN PART TO FUND FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE SUCH

01:48:38 CRITICAL NEEDS, EVERY TIME I BROUGHT UP STATION 13 HERE, I

01:48:43 WOULD PROBABLY BE A MILLIONAIRE BY NOW.

01:48:46 YESTERDAY I WAS AT K-BAR RANCH AND THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT

01:48:49 HAD SOME SERIOUS FIRE SAFETY DEFICITS.

01:48:52 CHANNELSIDE, OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER CRITICAL AREA, ET CETERA.




01:48:56 SO I THINK THIS IS PART OF A CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE

01:48:58 ARE GOING TO FUND PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE, FIRE, ET CETERA, IN

01:49:05 OUR VERY MUCH GROWING CITY.

01:49:06 BUT I HOPE THAT EVENTUALLY WE CAN GET A FINDING ON THOSE 81

01:49:12 OR SO MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE ARE GETTING WHEREVER THE

01:49:14 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT MAYBE CAN HELP US REDUCE THIS PUBLIC

01:49:17 SAFETY DEFICIT THAT WE HAVE.

01:49:19 THANK YOU, SIR.

01:49:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

01:49:22 75, DEPUTY CLERK.

01:49:26 ITEM 75.

01:49:31 MR. VIERA.

01:49:31 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR.

01:49:34 I WAS LOOKING OVER HERE AT THE REPORT.

01:49:36 SO IT SEEMS TO SAY THAT AFTER THE FIRST YEAR OF ENGAGEMENT

01:49:40 CITY STAFF WILL EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES TO REFINE AND EXPAND

01:49:42 THE PROGRAM.

01:49:44 SO WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT DOING IN THIS IS TO TAKE A LOOK

01:49:51 THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA TO UNDERSERVED AREAS TO

01:49:55 SEE IF THE CITY OF TAMPA CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF YOUTH

01:49:57 ENGAGEMENT EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM THAT HELPS PUT YOUNG PEOPLE ON

01:50:02 A PATH TO BETTER SUCCESS AND COMMUNITY STAKE HOLDING BY

01:50:06 GIVING THEM WORK SKILLS, AND HAVING THEM WORK AND HELPING

01:50:11 NEIGHBORHOODS, ET CETERA, AND THIS IS MUCH BIGGER, BUT KIND

01:50:16 OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS A MUCH SMALLER VERSION OF R OF




01:50:19 MAYBE THE WPA WORKS, NATIONAL YOUTH ASSOCIATION OF THE 30s

01:50:24 THAT PUT UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE BACK TO WORK REBUILDING THEIR

01:50:27 COMMUNITIES.

01:50:28 AND WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA

01:50:31 THAT NEED A LOT OF REBUILDING, EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS,

01:50:35 PARTS OF NORTH TAMPA, PARTS OF WEST TAMPA, ET CETERA.

01:50:38 AND MANY, MANY OTHER AREAS.

01:50:41 AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CERTAINLY LOOK

01:50:43 AT.

01:50:44 SO IF I SEE HERE CORRECTLY FROM THE REPORT, THEY ARE GOING

01:50:47 TO BE LOOKING AT THAT.

01:50:49 SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A REASONABLE DELAY, BUT I AM GOING

01:50:53 TO MOTION -- AND IF I MAY I WILL JUST DO IT NOW, MAYBE TO

01:50:57 COME BACK WITH AN UPDATE ON THIS PROCESS IN SIX MONTHS, THE

01:51:07 FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER.

01:51:08 AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE CAN ALL SUPPORT

01:51:11 INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION, I KNOW 110%, AND SO THAT WOULD

01:51:16 BE MY MOTION, JUST TO KEEP THAT UP.

01:51:18 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO YOU HAVE A DATE FOR THAT?

01:51:24 OCTOBER 7th?

01:51:26 MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. VIERA, SECONDED BY MR. CITRO.

01:51:32 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:51:34 ANY OPPOSED?

01:51:35 MOTION CARRIES.

01:51:40 WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 77.




01:51:42 MR. MANISCALCO.

01:51:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

01:51:48 I SPOKE ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

01:51:50 COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAD MADE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL.

01:51:53 BUT I HAD LOOKED AT THE CODE, AND I SAW THAT SHOULD YOU MOVE

01:52:00 SECTION 27-283.11-B, AND YOU PUT IT INTO SECTION 15-4.5, IT

01:52:09 WOULD GIVE MORE AND BETTER AUTHORITY TO THE POLICE

01:52:13 DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO TICKET OR ISSUE CITATIONS

01:52:17 TO PEOPLE UNDER -- ON THE RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND WHATNOT,

01:52:24 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND WHATNOT, THAT ARE THROUGHOUT WEST

01:52:26 TAMPA, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, HYDE PARK, SOUTH TAMPA, I CAN GO

01:52:32 ON AND ON ABOUT COMPLAINTS I RECEIVED IN THE LAST SEVERAL

01:52:35 YEARS.

01:52:35 I HAVE RECEIVED A MEMO HERE AS EVERYBODY HAS, AND I SEE MR.

01:52:41 BHIDE AND OTHERS FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, I THINK MR.

01:52:45 PEREZ IS THERE, TOO, HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

01:52:49 SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO -- DO I NEED TO

01:52:53 MAKE A MOTION TO SET THIS FOR FIRST READING?

01:52:56 HOW DO WE MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD, SIR?

01:52:59 >>PATRICK PEREZ: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

01:53:05 YES, MY MEMO, I HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT ALSO ON IF THERE ARE

01:53:12 ANY QUESTIONS FROM THEM.

01:53:13 BASICALLY, THE MOTION WAS TO INVESTIGATE MOVING SECTION 287,

01:53:19 OR 27-283.

01:53:21 OUR RECOMMENDATION IS ACTUALLY CROSS REFERENCE AND KEEP IT




01:53:24 IN CHAPTER 27, CROSS REFERENCE CHAPTER 15 WHICH WOULD ALLOW

01:53:34 TPD TO USUAL YOU VIOLATIONS WHILE STILL ALLOWING CODE

01:53:37 ENFORCEMENT TO CONTINUE TO ENFORCE THE ZONING CODES.

01:53:40 SO BASICALLY WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN THERE FOR PROPOSED

01:53:44 LANGUAGE TO AMEND SECTION 15-4.5, SO WE JUST NEED A

01:53:50 RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL TO GO THROUGH THAT ROUTE.

01:53:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT

01:53:56 MOTION FOR WHAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED REGARDING SECTION 15-4.5,

01:54:01 SO WE CAN USE THE AUTHORITY HERE LEGALLY, SO IT'S DEFENSIBLE

01:54:08 AND WE ARE PROTECTED, BUT STILL WE CAN ADDRESS THE CONCERNS

01:54:11 OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE AGAIN I GET CALLS THAT SUNDAY

01:54:16 MORNING, YOU KNOW?

01:54:17 I TRY NOT TO BOTHER ANYBODY ON SUNDAY MORNING BUT IT'S PART

01:54:20 OF THE JOB.

01:54:21 I GOT A CALL AT 8 A.M. ONE SUNDAY, AND RIGHTFULLY SO.

01:54:24 I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE WAITED FOR YEARS FOR SOME KIND OF

01:54:27 ENFORCEMENT.

01:54:29 THERE ARE MANY RECKLESS AND IRRESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS THAT

01:54:31 PARK WHEREVER THEY FEEL LIKE WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION FOR

01:54:34 THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

01:54:35 WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION TO PEOPLE ON BIKES OR CHILDREN.

01:54:39 THIS IS A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE.

01:54:41 AND I DON'T WANT BLOOD ON MY HANDS. I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY

01:54:45 GETTING KILLED OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE JUST

01:54:48 BEING IRRESPONSIBLE.




01:54:50 SO MY MOTION THEN WOULD BE THAT -- AND DO YOU NEED A

01:54:56 SPECIFIC TIME FOR THIS?

01:54:59 DOES IT HAVE TO GO TO AN ORDINANCE OR FIRST READING?

01:55:01 >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST READING.

01:55:04 >>PATRICK PEREZ: IT WILL BE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE, AND WE

01:55:06 WILL BRING IT BACK IF WE COULD FOR FIRST READING ON CITY

01:55:08 COUNCIL MEETING ON JUNE 3rd.

01:55:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO BRING THIS

01:55:13 BACK SECTION 15-4 .35 FOR FIRST READING.

01:55:16 WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE OR AN ORDINANCE

01:55:18 PREPARED FOR FIRST READING FOR THE MEETING JUNE 3rd.

01:55:25 DID YOU GET ALL OF THAT?

01:55:26 THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS THE LANGUAGE IN PLACE.

01:55:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN JUST SO IT'S CLEAR, I BELIEVE

01:55:30 THAT MR. PEREZ SAID THAT HE CAN HAVE -- LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN

01:55:34 HAVE IT PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION ON

01:55:36 THAT DAY.

01:55:37 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE THAT DAY AND MOVE

01:55:39 IT FORWARD.

01:55:41 I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH SO I CAN RESPOND TO MY

01:55:43 CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE I AM IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH THEM, AS

01:55:46 MANY OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE, SO THEY KNOW THAT WE

01:55:49 ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH PROPER ENFORCEMENT AND THEY ARE

01:55:52 BEING LISTENED TO.

01:55:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR,




01:55:57 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

01:56:00 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:56:02 OKAY.

01:56:02 ANYBODY OPPOSED?

01:56:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO FOR

01:56:11 BRINGING IT UP AND DOING A VERY GOOD JOB, AND A SEMI WITH

01:56:14 TAMPA TRACTOR AND TRAILER AND THEY'LL LEAVE IT BARKED ON

01:56:16 ARMENIA AVENUE AND THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT TAKE THE

01:56:22 DRIVER'S VEHICLES AND TRACTOR AND TRAILER AND LEAVE IN THE A

01:56:25 PARKED AREA BUT THEY CHARGE FOR IT.

01:56:26 SO THEY ARE LEAVING IT OUT ON THE STREET, AND SOME KID RUNS

01:56:29 OUT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE IT.

01:56:31 THEY AREN'T GOING TO SEE THE CAR, THE CAR ISN'T GOING TO SEE

01:56:33 THEM.

01:56:34 AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY'LL TAKE THE TRACTOR HOME,

01:56:37 PARK IT ON THEIR FRONT YARD, CHANGE THE OIL.

01:56:42 I GOT PICTURES OF ALL THAT.

01:56:45 AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING.

01:56:47 I UNDERSTAND WHY.

01:56:48 BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, ENVIRONMENTALLY AND EVERYTHING ELSE,

01:56:51 IT'S JUST A CHAOTIC THING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA TO GO

01:56:54 THROUGH.

01:56:54 I APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO IS DOING.

01:56:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON.

01:56:59 >>BILL CARLSON: THANKS ALSO FOR BRINGING THIS UP.




01:57:01 THE OTHER THING IS THAT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE WORKED WITH

01:57:05 CHIEF BENNETT ON A UNIT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT OR EXPANDING THE

01:57:11 UNIT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT TO HELP REQUEST PARKING, AND I HAD

01:57:14 SOME CONVERSATION WITH HIM LAST WEEK ABOUT TWEAKING THAT A

01:57:17 LITTLE BIT ALSO SO THAT IT COULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE AS IT'S

01:57:22 STARTING TO ROLL OUT.

01:57:23 BUT THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

01:57:24 ILLEGAL PARKING IN NEIGHBORHOODS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST AREAS

01:57:28 OF COMPLAINTS THAT I GET.

01:57:29 SO I APPRECIATE ANY HELP TO RECTIFY THAT.

01:57:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

01:57:35 ANY MORE DISCUSSION?

01:57:38 MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.

01:57:40 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

01:57:41 ALL IN FAVOR?

01:57:43 ANY OPPOSED?

01:57:45 MOTION CARRIES.

01:57:51 ALL RIGHT.

01:57:51 NUMBER 78.

01:57:52 >>KELLY AUSTIN: DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES AND TALENT

01:58:08 DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE LINE.

01:58:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD AFTERNOON.

01:58:13 >> AT FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY SAY THANK YOU TO

01:58:19 CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO FOR HIS SERVICE AS CHAIR AND

01:58:22 CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, CHAIRMAN GUDES, ON YOUR NEW




01:58:26 APPOINTMENT.

01:58:27 I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION

01:58:30 AROUND ITEM NUMBER 78, WHICH IS REGARDING ALL THE CITY

01:58:35 CLERK'S OFFICE, ON STANDBY FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

01:58:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

01:58:44 I MADE THAT MOTION.

01:58:45 AND I JUST NEEDED SOME CLARIFICATION.

01:58:47 I DID READ THE MEMO, BUT AGAIN I DID MAKE A PHONE CALL TO

01:58:50 YOU.

01:58:51 AND WE KIND OF DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT.

01:58:52 IT WAS A LITTLE VAGUE IN REFERENCE TO A STUDY, REVIEW AND

01:59:00 NUMBERS.

01:59:02 I DON'T THINK A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD CHIME IN AS

01:59:08 MUCH BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE GOING

01:59:12 TO DO.

01:59:12 BECAUSE AS I LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS,

01:59:16 CITIES ABOUT OUR SIZE, THIS CITY IS GROWING, AND IT'S

01:59:21 GROWING RAPIDLY, AND WHEN I LOOK AT OTHER PLACES TO

01:59:25 COMPARABLE PAY, WE ARE LAGGING BEHIND.

01:59:28 AND I TALK ABOUT THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

01:59:33 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE PAY SCALE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES.

01:59:36 AND AGAIN WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A STUDY HAS BEEN DONE TO

01:59:41 MATCH UP TO OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE STATE, A ROUND THE

01:59:44 STATE, WORKFORCE THAT WE HAVE.

01:59:47 SO YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT SO THIS COUNCIL CAN




01:59:50 KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THAT, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOT THE

01:59:56 CART TO MOVE WITH THE HORSE YET.

01:59:58 >>KELLY AUSTIN: SURE.

02:00:00 THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

02:00:01 IF I COULD JUST ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT TO TALK ABOUT THE

02:00:04 PROCESS, NOT SPECIFIC TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE BUT THE

02:00:07 PROCESS IN GENERAL, AND THAT WILL ONLY TAKE JUST A MINUTE.

02:00:13 WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE WHERE OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE

02:00:16 TASKED WITH IDENTIFYING ANY NEEDS OR CHANGES IN THEIR

02:00:20 PARTICULAR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS

02:00:24 THAT THEY REGULARLY ROUTINELY ASK THEMSELVES ARE, HAS MY

02:00:28 WORK VOLUME CHANGED?

02:00:29 HAS THE PAST BECOME MORE COMPLEX?

02:00:32 WHAT KIND OF TIME AM I RUNNING IN MY DEPARTMENT?

02:00:36 WE MET WITH THE MAYOR'S JUNIOR STAFF AT LEAST QUARTERLY AND

02:00:41 SHE ENCOURAGES US TO LOOK BACKWARDS AND ASK OURSELVES THE

02:00:45 QUESTION, WHAT TASKS AREN'T NECESSARY, AND CAN SOMETHING BE

02:00:48 DONE MORE EFFICIENTLY?

02:00:49 AND SO WE ALL ARE TASKED WITH DOING THAT.

02:00:52 IF WE HAVE A NEED THAT WE IDENTIFIED, AND WE NEED TO BRING

02:00:56 THAT FORWARD, DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.

02:01:00 AND IF IT IS NOT DONE DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH AS WE

02:01:04 ALL KNOW MANY THINGS HAPPEN DURING THE COPY OF THE YEAR, IF

02:01:07 IT'S OUTSIDE THE BUDGET PROCESS THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK

02:01:11 WITH OUR BUDGET ANALYSTS AND HUMAN RESOURCES AND SOME OF THE




02:01:14 THINGS THAT WE DO, WHICH WE DO DECISIONS, FULL TIME

02:01:17 EQUIVALENCIES, WE MIGHT COMBINE SOME VACANCIES, MIGHT CREATE

02:01:21 SOME NEW POSITIONS, MIGHT RECLASS OR REGRADE, WHATEVER IT

02:01:25 TAKES TO ACCOMPLISH THE MADE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS

02:01:27 MOVING FORWARD AS EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE

02:01:30 WHILE BEING BUDGET CONSCIOUS.

02:01:33 LAST YEAR, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE CONTACTED HUMAN RESOURCES

02:01:37 WITH A COUPLE OF REQUESTS AND AFTER THE ANALYSIS WAS DONE WE

02:01:41 WERE ABLE TO CONVERTS ONE PART-TIME POSITION TO A FULL-TIME

02:01:45 POSITION, AND ALSO READJUSTED ONE OF THE SALARIES, AND WE

02:01:49 SUGGESTED AT THAT TIME PERHAPS SECURING A CONTRACTOR DUE TO

02:01:53 AN EXTENDED ABSENCE OF ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES.

02:01:57 AS A RESULT OF THIS MOTION, THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND MR.

02:02:01 ROGERO AND MYSELF MET WITH BE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO

02:02:05 BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WERE THE NEEDS ANDS THE REQUESTS THAT

02:02:08 WERE NOT BEING MET OR THAT THERE WAS CONCERNS OVER, AND THAT

02:02:12 CONVERSATION KIND OF WENT IN TWO LANES, ONE LANE BEING

02:02:16 REALLY FOCUSED ON THE FACILITIES, AND THEN THE OTHER LANE

02:02:20 BEING FOCUSED ON THE VOLUME OF WORK.

02:02:25 AND PERHAPS NECESSARY EVALUATION OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE

02:02:30 TASKS AND THE DUTIES.

02:02:32 SO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE WAS GUIDED AT THAT POINT TO MAKE

02:02:37 BUDGET REQUESTS, BECAUSE THIS IS A TIME THAT WE ARE DOING

02:02:40 THAT EXERCISE, AND THEN CERTAINLY MY OFFICE IS LOOKING AT

02:02:45 SOME SALARY COMPARERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE THING,




02:02:51 CHAIRMAN GUDES, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS

02:02:54 OF OUR COMPENSATION THAT PERHAPS WE PAY LESS THAN OTHERS,

02:02:58 BUT WHEN I LOOK ACROSS THERE ARE ALSO MANY, MANY ASPECTS

02:03:01 WHERE OUR COMPENSATION IS AT OR GREATER THAN, AND I ALWAYS

02:03:05 TRY TO JUST BE MINDFUL OF OUR TOTAL COMPENSATION PLAN WHICH

02:03:10 IS NOT JUST THE SALARY, NOT THAT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, SO I

02:03:12 AM NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THAT, BUT GENERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE A

02:03:16 ZERO CONTRIBUTION, GENERAL PENSION AVAILABLE TO THEM, ZERO

02:03:22 CONTRIBUTION ON MEDICAL COVERAGE FOR THEMSELVES, ACCESS TO

02:03:25 THE WELLNESS CENTER AT NO CHARGE, ZERO COST PRESCRIPTION,

02:03:29 YOU KNOW, THE ACCRUAL OF ANNUAL AND SICK LEAVE.

02:03:33 SO WE LOOK AT ALL THAT WHEN WE EVALUATE OW HOW WE STAND UP

02:03:37 IN THE MARKETPLACE.

02:03:38 THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T ALWAYS DO BETTER OR CONTINUES TO

02:03:40 TAKE LOOKS.

02:03:41 AS A RESULT OF OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY CLERK'S

02:03:43 OFFICE, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND

02:03:46 THEN AGAIN, MS. FOXX-KNOWLES WAS DIRECTED TO PUTTING HER

02:03:53 REQUESTS INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE TIME

02:03:56 THAT WE ARE DOING THAT EXERCISE, AND HOPEFULLY BASED ON THAT

02:04:01 ANALYSIS WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER NEEDS ARE

02:04:04 NECESSARY IN ORDER TO KEEP ENSURING THAT TASKS AND DUTIES

02:04:09 ARE GETTING ACCOMPLISHED IN A TIMELY FASHION.

02:04:12 SO THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL FOR EVERYBODY.

02:04:13 AND THAT WAS A LONG-WINDED ANSWER SO I APOLOGIZE.




02:04:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S OKAY.

02:04:17 YOU GAVE ME SOME ANSWERS.

02:04:19 YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACILITY PART.

02:04:21 I WONDERED WHY IS IT IF WE PUT ALL THIS WORK INTO THE

02:04:26 CHAMBERS THAT WE DID NOT BUTT THE WORK INTO THEIR OFFICE

02:04:30 OVER THERE?

02:04:30 BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO US.

02:04:32 THERE'S A DOOR RIGHT HERE IN THIS CHAMBERS THAT L.

02:04:35 SO TO ME, HOW DO WE NOT ADD THAT ALL IN AT ONE SHOT TO MAKE

02:04:41 SURE EVERYONE IS SAFE?

02:04:42 WHEN I LOOK AROUND AND SEE THAT, I QUESTION THAT RIGHT AWAY,

02:04:49 YOU DID THIS OVER HERE BUT WE STILL HAVE ACCESS.

02:04:51 SO I DON'T KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIX THAT THROUGH THE

02:04:54 BUDGETING PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE SECURE AT WELL

02:04:57 BECAUSE PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND WALK THROUGH HERE ALL THE

02:04:59 TIME AND GO RIGHT TO THE OFFICE.

02:05:01 SO I AM HOPING WE CAN SECURE THEM AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN THEY

02:05:04 NOT ONLY WORK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, I WANT TO MAKE THAT

02:05:07 CLEAR, THEY ALSO WORK FOR COUNCIL FOR OUR CHARTER.

02:05:10 SO THEY WORK FOR TWO HOUSES.

02:05:13 SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OVER HERE AS THE CHAIR HERE, I WANT

02:05:16 TO MAKE SURE THAT MY HOUSE IS PROTECTED AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE

02:05:19 IN MY HOUSE ARE PROTECTED AND THEY ALSO ARE BEING

02:05:22 COMPENSATED CORRECTLY QUESTION I LOOK ACROSS THE SPECTRUM.

02:05:25 HOPEFULLY WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS IN ANEW




02:05:28 BUDGET YEAR.

02:05:30 MR. ROGERO IS ON THE LINE THERE.

02:05:31 ALSO WHEN I LOOK AT SALARIES, AND I LOOK AT ADMINISTRATORS,

02:05:36 MS. FOXX-KNOWLES, I LOOK AT HER SALARY, HER SALARY IS WAY

02:05:39 BELOW EVEN SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATORS HERE WITHIN THE CITY.

02:05:42 THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, HER BEING AN ADMINISTRATOR OVER THE

02:05:47 CLERK'S OFFICE WHICH IS A BIG RESPONSIBILITY TO THIS CITY.

02:05:49 SO I AM HOPING AND I AM ASKING TO MAKE SURE THAT HER REVIEW

02:05:55 IS IN THERE AS WELL SO THIS COUNCIL CAN REVIEW FOR THE

02:05:58 UPCOMING BUDGET.

02:05:59 BECAUSE I THINK SHE NEEDS TO BE COMPENSATED AS WELL, AND NOT

02:06:02 JUST SIT BACK AND BE NICE AND WANT TO GO ALONG TO HELP OUT

02:06:07 THE OTHER EMPLOYEES, BUT ALSO HELP HERSELF BECAUSE SHE WORKS

02:06:10 HARD HERE FOR ALL OF US.

02:06:11 SO I'M HOPING THAT IT WILL HAPPEN, AND AGAIN, FACILITYWISE

02:06:16 AS WELL, AND AGAIN, I AM GLAD WE ARE LOOKING INTO THIS

02:06:20 PROCESS.

02:06:21 I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE --

02:06:28 >>KELLY AUSTIN: ABSOLUTELY, YES, SIR.

02:06:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, I SAW YOUR HAND, SIR?

02:06:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN AND

02:06:36 REITERATE WHAT MR. CHAIRMAN HAS SPOKEN TO.

02:06:41 IT'S VERY SAD THAT SANDY TOOK ILL, AND SHE DID AN AMAZING

02:06:50 JOB FOR 30 YEARS, AND WE ALL LOVE HER DEARLY.

02:06:55 BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK




02:06:59 UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS.

02:07:01 INSTEAD, SULING HAS JUMPED IN AND PROBABLY DOING HER FORMER

02:07:06 JOBS, AND SOME OF SANDY'S JOBS, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS

02:07:10 OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT I AM SURE THAT THERE'S SOME

02:07:14 SIGNIFICANT READJUSTMENT THAT NEEDS TO GO ON.

02:07:18 THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

02:07:20 COUNCIL TRIES VERY HARD NOT TO BUTT INTO THE

02:07:22 ADMINISTRATION'S PLACE IN TERMS OF SALARIES AND THAT SORT OF

02:07:27 THING, BUT THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO US

02:07:31 BECAUSE WE DO WORK SO CLOSELY WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

02:07:35 SO MAYBE DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THIS SUMMER WE'LL SEE

02:07:39 SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.

02:07:40 I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION MR. CHAIRMAN IS ASKING US TO

02:07:44 GO.

02:07:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

02:07:46 AGAIN, SULING OUT THERE, SHE HAS A LOT OF CREDENTIALS BEHIND

02:07:52 HER BELT AT THIS TIME.

02:07:53 AND WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT.

02:07:55 SHE'S A DEPUTY CLERK OF THE SHE'S NOT A CLERK.

02:07:57 SHE'S A DEPUTY CLERK.

02:07:58 AND SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

02:08:01 AND HER CREDENTIALS.

02:08:03 SHE'S EDUCATED.

02:08:05 THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCHOOLS SHE'S BEEN TO NOW ACROSS

02:08:07 THE STATE.




02:08:08 I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

02:08:10 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN, BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

02:08:12 I THANK BOTH OF YOU VERY, VERY MUCH AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET

02:08:16 SOME OF THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD BEFORE NEXT YEAR'S

02:08:20 BUDGET.

02:08:21 >>KELLY AUSTIN: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THIS

02:08:22 AFTERNOON.

02:08:23 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

02:08:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A FULL BOARD.

02:08:32 DO YOU WANT TO DO ITEM NUMBER 8?

02:08:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME OF YOU WERE DELAYED

02:08:37 GETTING BACK FROM LUNCH AND I KNOW WE HAVE GUYS GETTING

02:08:42 THEMSELVES TOGETHER.

02:08:42 MR. DINGFELDER WANTED TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR ITEM

02:08:46 8.

02:08:47 I WILL LET HIM GO AND REHASH WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO TELL THE

02:08:52 COUNCIL, AND IF HE WOULD LIKE TO PUT ANOTHER MOTION ON THE

02:08:57 FLOOR TO GO AHEAD FROM THAT TIME.

02:08:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS MR. MIRANDA WAS WRAPPING UP, HE HAD

02:09:09 STATED THAT PERHAPS A WORKSHOP ON THESE ISSUES MIGHT BE MORE

02:09:12 APPROPRIATE AND WE CAN HAVE A LONGER DETAILED DISCUSSION

02:09:14 WITH INPUT FROM EVERYBODY INSTEAD OF RUSHING HERKY JERKY

02:09:20 INTO DOING SOMETHING TODAY OR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

02:09:23 SO WITH THAT, MY MOTION EARLIER WAS TO CONTINUE ITEM 8 AS

02:09:29 WELL AS INCLUDING THE IDEA THAT I THREW OUT TODAY, I WILL




02:09:37 CALL IT AMENDED ITEM 8, AND PUT THAT ON A WORKSHOP IN OUR

02:09:43 JUNE WORKSHOP, WHICH IS, WHAT, FOURTH WEEK IN JUNE, MARTY,

02:09:47 OR THIRD?

02:09:49 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE 24th IS?

02:09:53 >> JUNE 24.

02:09:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND WE LOOKED AT THAT WORKSHOP AND IT

02:09:57 DOESN'T LOOK TOO, TOO BUSY.

02:09:59 SO I JUST WANTED A FULL BOARD HERE TO ADDRESS THAT AND VOTE

02:10:03 ON IT AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.

02:10:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER.

02:10:09 DO I HAVE A SECOND?

02:10:11 SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.

02:10:12 ANY DISCUSSION?

02:10:15 YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY.

02:10:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO SET IT WITH TO ALLOW AT 11:30 A.M.

02:10:22 IF WE ARE SPACING THINGS A HALF HOUR APART OR IS THERE

02:10:26 ANOTHER TIME?

02:10:27 IT WOULD NOT SHOW UP ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT?

02:10:31 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

02:10:33 >>MARTIN SHELBY: 11:30.

02:10:35 THANK YOU.

02:10:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

02:10:37 ANY DISCUSSION?

02:10:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL JUST --

02:10:44 >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL JUST SAY SOMETHING IF I MAY.




02:10:46 I HAD SECONDED IT UNDER WHAT I NOW CALL THE CLARENCE DARROW

02:10:50 RULE.

02:10:51 IF MR. CARLSON SECOND IT, I WILL BE RESPECTFULLY VOTING NO.

02:10:54 AGAIN I VOTED AGAINST THE CONTINUANCE OF NUMBER 8 ORIGINALLY

02:10:57 AND I WILL DO IT HERE AGAIN.

02:10:58 JUST MY THOUGHTS.

02:10:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANKS VERY MUCH.

02:11:03 I AGAIN STATED MANY TIMES TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM

02:11:08 WHAT PLANNING AND WHAT MR. RANDY GOERS HAD TO SAY, AND THEN

02:11:12 I THINK I CAN MAKE A ADJUSTMENT BETTER AFTER THAT.

02:11:15 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

02:11:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO?

02:11:23 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.

02:11:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER,

02:11:27 SECOND FROM MR. CARLSON.

02:11:28 ON THIS MATTER, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

02:11:30 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:11:32 >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO.

02:11:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE]

02:11:37 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.

02:11:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:11:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:11:42 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.

02:11:43 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA MANISCALCO AND CITRO

02:11:47 VOTING NO.




02:11:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

02:11:49 >>LUIS VIERA: SO WE CONTINUED NUMBER 8.

02:11:59 CORRECT?

02:12:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR, FOR A WORKSHOP.

02:12:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, MS. FEELEY IS LOOKING VERY

02:12:11 CONFUSED.

02:12:12 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. FEELEY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING,

02:12:15 MA'AM?

02:12:16 OKAY.

02:12:17 >>ABBYE FEELEY: SORRY ABOUT THAT.

02:12:22 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU LOOKED ANGERED THERE.

02:12:24 I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

02:12:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THOUGHT I HEARD FOUR NAYS AND THREE

02:12:33 AYES, SO I WAS A BIT CONFUSED.

02:12:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION PASSED.

02:12:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA, MANISCALCO AND

02:12:39 CITRO VOTING NO.

02:12:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, MS. FEELEY?

02:12:46 >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES.

02:12:47 THANK YOU.

02:12:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CONSENT ITEMS.

02:12:53 ITEMS 9 THROUGH 16, SIR.

02:12:55 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 9 THROUGH 16.

02:12:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED, MR. MANISCALCO SECOND.

02:13:05 ALL IN FAVOR?




02:13:06 OPPOSED?

02:13:06 MOTION CARRIED.

02:13:08 MR. MANISCALCO, CAN YOU DO PARKS AND RECREATION 17 THROUGH

02:13:11 23?

02:13:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER?

02:13:17 ON ITEM 18, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT WE REINSTATE IT AND

02:13:22 STRIKE MY EARLIER MOTION.

02:13:24 I SPOKE WITH STAFF DURING LUNCH.

02:13:26 THEY CLARIFIED THE ISSUE THAT I NEEDED CLARIFYING.

02:13:29 AND SO THERE WAS NO POINT IN CONTINUING THAT FOR TWO WEEKS.

02:13:33 SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MR. MANISCALCO,

02:13:38 IF YOU CAN INCLUDE ITEM 18 AND WE'LL STRIKE THE MAY 20th

02:13:43 FROM THE CALENDAR.

02:13:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE JUST DO BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT A MOTION

02:13:47 TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS MOTION ON ITEM 18.

02:13:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED.

02:13:51 >> SECOND.

02:13:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO RESCIND BY DINGFELDER, SECOND BY

02:13:55 MANISCALCO.

02:13:56 ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED?

02:13:57 MOTION CARRIED.

02:13:58 MR. MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU GO THROUGH ITEM 17 THROUGH 23,

02:14:02 SIR?

02:14:03 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I MOVE 17 THROUGH 23.

02:14:06 >> SECOND.




02:14:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY VIERA.

02:14:09 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM GOING TO ASK, WHILE WE ARE STILL

02:14:12 UNDER THE STATE OF EMERGENCY PER COUNCIL'S RULES, ESPECIALLY

02:14:15 ON THESE CONTRACTS OF SIGNIFICANCE ITEMS, I GUESS A ROLL

02:14:19 CALL VOTE ON THE CONSENT DOCKET, PLEASE.

02:14:22 >>THE CLERK: THEN WOO GO BACK TO PUBLIC SAFETY?

02:14:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I STILL MOVE ITEMS 9 THROUGH 16.

02:14:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY ABOUT THAT, COUNCIL.

02:14:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:14:38 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:14:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:14:40 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:14:41 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:14:42 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:14:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:14:44 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:14:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEMS 17 THROUGH 23.

02:14:54 MOVED BY MANISCALCO.

02:14:56 SECOND BY VIERA.

02:14:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:15:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:15:02 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:15:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:15:06 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:15:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.




02:15:09 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:15:10 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:15:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN YOU GO TO ITEMS 24 THROUGH 30?

02:15:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.

02:15:17 I'LL MOVE ITEMS 24 THROUGH 30.

02:15:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

02:15:25 ALL IN FAVOR, ROLL CALL.

02:15:26 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:15:28 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:15:30 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:15:31 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:15:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:15:36 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:15:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:15:37 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:15:38 >>BILL CARLSON: ROB ROSNER WAS GOING TO TRY TO BE ON

02:15:42 STANDBY TO READ A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT 31 AND 32 IF POSSIBLE.

02:15:49 I JUST ASKED HIM TO READ THIS OUT SO THAT THE PUBLIC

02:15:53 WATCHING, I IN PARTICULAR HAVE A LOT OF AT ANY TIME WHO ARE

02:15:57 CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DONE

02:15:58 IN THE PAST AND I ASKED ROB AND MICHELLE LOTS OF QUESTIONS

02:16:01 AND THEY ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS, AND I JUST WANTED FOR THE

02:16:03 RECORD TO LET THEM DIRECTLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT THE

02:16:06 PUBLIC IS GOING TO ASK US LATER.

02:16:08 THANK YOU.




02:16:08 >>ROB ROSNER: CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY IN THEIR NEW

02:16:16 POSITIONS.

02:16:17 AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME TO SPEAK.

02:16:20 JUST TO OPEN UP A QTI PROGRAM HAS EXPIRED WITH THE STATE AND

02:16:26 THEY HAVE NOT REINSTATE ADD NEW PROGRAM BUT THESE TWO ITEMS

02:16:29 31 AND 342 ARE ITEMS THAT WERE APPROVED IN THE LATE 2018.

02:16:36 QTI IS A STATE SPONSORED INCENTIVE PROGRAM TO INCENTIVIZE

02:16:41 PROGRAMS TO EXPAND TO THE STATE OR INCREASE THEIR NUMBERS OF

02:16:45 FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

02:16:46 APPLICATIONS GO THROUGH THE STATE, AND ARE VETTED BY THE

02:16:49 STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE LOCAL PARTICIPATING JURISDICTIONS.

02:16:52 THE CITY, COUNTY AND STATE.

02:16:54 THERE IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE COMPANY AND

02:16:56 THE STATE VERIFIES JOBS THAT ARE CREATED AGREED UPON BY THE

02:17:00 COMPANY.

02:17:01 INCENTIVES ARE ONLY PAID AFTER THE JOBS ARE CREATED AND

02:17:05 VERIFIED PER THE AGREEMENT.

02:17:06 STATE REVIEWS ALL EMPLOYMENT RECORDS FOR EVERY YEAR TO

02:17:11 ENSURE THAT THE JOBS CREATED ARE MAINTAINED DURING THE

02:17:14 DURATION OF THE AGREEMENT.

02:17:15 ANNUAL INCENTIVES ARE RECEIVED WILL NEVER EXCEED THE TAXES I

02:17:19 PAID BY THE COMPANY DURING EACH INCENTIVE YEAR.

02:17:22 HOWEVER THE JOBS CREATED MUST PAY A MINIMUM OF 115% OF THE

02:17:26 HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AVERAGE AT THE TIME THE AGREEMENT WAS

02:17:29 EXECUTED.




02:17:31 THERE ARE TWO QTI REQUESTS BEFORE COUNCIL TODAY, OUR

02:17:33 REQUESTS FROM THE CITY TO PARTICIPATE IN QTI INCENTIVE

02:17:37 PROGRAM, AND MOVE INTO THE CITY FROM THE COUNTY LOCATION.

02:17:41 SO THE TOTAL INCENTIVE FROM THE STATE WOULD BE 659 AND 500.

02:17:47 THE STATE PAYS 80% OF THAT WHICH REPRESENTS $527,600.

02:17:54 THE COUNTY WILL PAY 11.5% WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $75.

02:17:59 THEY PAID A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THAT HAS

02:18:03 ALREADY BEEN PAID OUT.

02:18:04 AND THEN THE CITY WILL PAY 8.5% WHICH SHOWS ABOUT 56,212.50,

02:18:10 WHICH IS THE REST OF OUR PORTION.

02:18:13 DURING THE REMAINING YEARS OF THE AGREEMENT IF THE COMPANY

02:18:18 LEFT THE CITY.

02:18:18 NORMALLY WE PASS BOTH RESOLUTIONS AT THE TIME, AND BECAUSE

02:18:22 WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO LAND IN THE CITY OR THE

02:18:25 COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING SELECTION PROCESS.

02:18:27 THIS ONE ACTUALLY OUTGREW THEIR SPACE AND ARE MOVING INTO

02:18:30 NEW SPACE I.WANTED TO CLARIFY THOSE THINGS FOR ITEMS 31 AND

02:18:34 32.

02:18:34 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

02:18:35 >>BILL CARLSON: THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF HIGH PROFILE

02:18:40 FAILURES IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORLD IN TAMPA IN THE

02:18:43 LAST FEW YEARS.

02:18:49 GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZE THAT HAD FAILURES AND IT'S QTI WHICH

02:18:55 THE OLD PROGRAM STILL REGULATED BY THE STATE.

02:18:57 AND THE STATE IS GOING TO VET IT IN ADDITION TO ALL THE




02:19:00 VETTING THE CITY HAS DONE AND ANY OTHER GROUPS.

02:19:02 SO THE FACT THAT THE STATE IS INVOLVED, AND THERE ARE

02:19:05 SEVERAL GROUPS WATCHING IT, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT EVERY

02:19:08 INVESTMENT WILL DO WELL, AND THE QTI IS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR

02:19:13 COMMUNITY, NOT IN A COMPANY.

02:19:15 THANK YOU.

02:19:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? ANYONE ELSE?

02:19:21 COULD YOU MOVE ITEMS 31 THROUGH 39?

02:19:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 31 THROUGH 39 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF

02:19:29 38.

02:19:29 SOMEBODY ELSE CAN MOVE THAT.

02:19:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

02:19:32 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY CITRO.

02:19:34 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:19:34 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:19:37 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:19:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:19:40 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:19:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:19:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:19:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:19:45 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:19:46 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, CO-CHAIR, I WILL MOVE ITEM 38.

02:19:52 >> SECOND.

02:19:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.




02:19:55 MOTION BY MR. CITRO.

02:19:57 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

02:19:59 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:20:00 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:20:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

02:20:04 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:20:05 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:20:11 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:20:12 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:20:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:20:14 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.

02:20:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ONE MORE ITEM, RIGHT?

02:20:28 TRANSPORTATION?

02:20:28 MR. VIERA.

02:20:29 >>LUIS VIERA: [OFF MICROPHONE] I MOVE 49 THROUGH 52.

02:20:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT'S 40.

02:20:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY.

02:20:39 MR. CARLSON, BUILDING AND ZONING.

02:20:41 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 40 THROUGH 48.

02:20:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY VIERA.

02:20:48 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:20:49 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:20:52 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:20:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER:

02:20:54 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.




02:20:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES GOOD.

02:20:59 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:21:01 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:21:02 >>LUIS VIERA: 49 THROUGH 52 I HEREBY MOVE.

02:21:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MANISCALCO.

02:21:13 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:21:13 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:21:15 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:21:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:21:17 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:21:18 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:21:19 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:21:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:21:22 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:21:23 >>MARTIN SHELBY: USE THE MICROPHONE.

02:21:33 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE 53 AND 54 THAT

02:21:36 THEY BOTH BE SET FOR A HEARING ON JULY 10th, BOTH THE --

02:21:42 JULY 15th, SAME TIME AND DATED.

02:21:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:21:50 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:21:51 I OPPOSED?

02:21:52 MOTION CARRIED.

02:21:52 >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, NUMBER 55 AND 57, I NEED TO

02:22:01 RECUSE MYSELF.

02:22:04 AND I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE




02:22:12 THE COMPANY, THE COMPANY WITH WHOM WITH I AM RETAINED AS A

02:22:18 TENANT OF THE PROPERTY WHICH THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS

02:22:21 ORDINANCE.

02:22:21 IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF THE SLIDE, YOU WILL ACTUALLY

02:22:24 SEE MY OFFICE.

02:22:26 THAT'S NUMBER 55.

02:22:28 AND THEN NUMBER 57, YOU HAVE BECOME AWARE THAT A COMPANY BY

02:22:33 WHOM I RETAIN HAS A CLIENT WHICH MAY HAVE A FINANCIAL

02:22:36 INTEREST IN THIS MATTER WITH WHICH MY COMPANY IS NOT

02:22:38 INVOLVED, AND THIS QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER, I AM ABSTAINING TO

02:22:42 ENSURE A FAIR PROCEEDING FREE FROM POTENTIAL BIAS OR

02:22:46 PREJUDICE AND POTENTIAL CONFLICT.

02:22:48 SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ALL TO RECEIVE AND FILE MY FORM

02:22:51 FOR NUMBER 55.

02:22:52 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED.

02:22:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY-CARLSON, SECOND BY MR.

02:23:00 MANISCALCO.

02:23:01 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:23:02 OPPOSED?

02:23:02 >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE MY FORM FOR NUMBER

02:23:06 57.

02:23:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

02:23:11 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:23:11 ANY OPPOSED?

02:23:13 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN, CONSIDERING YOU




02:23:15 HAD PREVIOUSLY OPENED ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS I WOULD LIKE

02:23:19 COUNCIL TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL OF

02:23:22 THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL TO

02:23:26 BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD THAT HAVE BEEN UPLOADED AND HAVE

02:23:29 BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

02:23:31 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE ALL DOCUMENTS.

02:23:33 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

02:23:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED.

02:23:37 VIERA SECONDS.

02:23:40 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:23:44 ANY OPPOSED?

02:23:44 MOTION CARRIES.

02:23:45 >>MARTIN SHELBY: ALSO, COUNCIL, WHEN WE GET TO THE EX PARTE

02:23:49 COMMUNICATIONS --

02:23:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MICROPHONE. WE DON'T HEAR YOU.

02:23:56 >> I'M SORRY.

02:23:57 I AM GOING TO ASK AN ISSUE WITH REGARD TO EX PARTE

02:24:00 COMMUNICATION, BUT I WILL DO THAT WHEN WE GET THERE.

02:24:03 THESE ARE NON-QUASI-JUDICIAL.

02:24:05 55 AND 56.

02:24:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT.

02:24:08 MOVE TO OPEN THE HEARINGS?

02:24:12 ALL RIGHT.

02:24:13 ITEM 55.

02:24:14 >>RON VILA: HISTORIC PRESERVATION.




02:24:20 I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN TO DO A FULL PRESENTATION

02:24:24 FOR YOU.

02:24:47 THIS IS FOR 1302 EAST 7TH AVENUE.

02:24:50 THIS IS FOR A HISTORIC PRESERVATION APPLICATION.

02:24:56 IS IT LOADED YET?

02:24:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO, SIR.

02:24:59 >>THE CLERK: RON, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT WHEN I SEND IT TO

02:25:06 YOU SO I AM GOING TO DO IT AGAIN.

02:25:07 >>RON VILA: OKAY.

02:25:09 >> I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE IN THE

02:25:14 VISITATION CHAMBERS OF THE JAIL.

02:25:16 [ LAUGHTER ]

02:25:17 >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

02:25:22 [ LAUGHTER ]

02:25:34 THERE WE GO.

02:25:35 >>RON VILA: I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL YOUR TIME.

02:25:43 I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG MORNING.

02:25:45 THIS IS A BACKGROUND AND BENEFITS OF THE AD VALOREM TAX

02:25:48 EXEMPTION.

02:25:49 IT HELPS TO STIMULATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND MULTIPLE

02:25:53 PROPERTIES THAT EASES THE BURDEN FOR MAINTAINING SOME OF

02:25:56 THESE PROPERTIES WITH THESE TAX INCENTIVES THAT IT HAS,

02:25:59 ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES ARE LOCAL LANDMARKS, HISTORIC

02:26:03 PROPERTIES, AND BUILDINGS WITHIN THE LOCAL HISTORIC

02:26:06 DISTRICT.




02:26:07 AND WITHIN THE DISTRICTS, EVEN THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION

02:26:11 OR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THESE

02:26:13 PROJECTS.

02:26:15 I WANT TO SHARE A PICTURE LOOKING DOWN 7th AVENUE TO THE

02:26:18 EAST FROM 13th STREET.

02:26:20 THE BUILDING IN QUESTION IS OVER HERE.

02:26:22 YOU SEE HOW IT HAS RECESSED OPENINGS, SIDEWALK, AND THE

02:26:26 CANOPY MORE HORIZONTAL FROM THE FACADE, AND THEN THE

02:26:33 ARTICULATION UP TOP.

02:26:38 THIS IS SHOWING A PHOTO OF THE FRONT FACADE FROM THE 30s.

02:26:43 YOU SEE IT HAS PEDESTRIAN FRONTING ON THE BOTTOM AND THE

02:26:47 PARAPET ON TOP.

02:26:48 THIS IS THE SANBORN MAP OF 1929, IN THE AREA IN QUESTION.

02:26:53 THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING, YOU SEE THE CONCENTRATION OF

02:26:58 THE BRICK BUILDINGS ALONG 7th AVENUE, THE BRICK IS

02:27:02 INDICATED WITH THE RED OR THE PINK HE WILL STRAYINGS.

02:27:08 THIS IS THE BUILDING PRIOR TO RENOVATION.

02:27:10 THE BUILDING HAS STUCCO APPLIED TO THE BRICKS, AND AS THE

02:27:15 CANOPY CAME OUT MORE OF AN ANGLE THAT IS NOT HISTORICALLY

02:27:18 CORRECT.

02:27:19 AND THEN THERE WERE SOME WINDOWS THAT WERE COVERED UP.

02:27:21 AND THEN HOW IT LOOKS TODAY.

02:27:23 THE WINDOWS WERE REORIENTED TO LET IN THE NATURAL LIGHT AND

02:27:27 THEN YOU SEE THE STOREFRONT AND THE CANOPY TO BE MORE PERIOD

02:27:31 APPROPRIATE.




02:27:32 THIS IS LOOKING AT THE FRONT PRIOR TO REHABILITATION.

02:27:36 YOU SEE THE STUCCO AND THE STOREFRONTS HAVE BEEN ALTERED,

02:27:41 WITH A BARREL TILE ON TOP, AND THEN CURRENTLY HOW IT LOOKS

02:27:45 TAKE LOOKING AT THE FULL FACADE FROM THE EASTERN PORTION ALL

02:27:48 THE WAY BACK DOWN TO 13th STREET.

02:27:53 AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THEY WANTED TO REENGAGE THE ALLEY,

02:27:57 AND HAVE THE ALLEY MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AS WELL.

02:28:00 SO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WAS ALL ENCLOSED AND YOU SEE THE

02:28:04 CONDITION OF THE ALLEY.

02:28:06 AFTER REHABILITATION, THE BRICKS WERE LAID IN THE ALLEY AND

02:28:10 THEN THE STOREFRONTS ALONG HERE THAT HAVE BUSINESSES.

02:28:16 MOVING TO THE INTERIOR, EVERYTHING WAS GUTTED.

02:28:19 THE DROP CEILINGS WERE IN PLACE.

02:28:22 AND THEN THIS FACADE IS THE ONE WHERE THE WINDOWS WERE

02:28:25 CLOSED OFF WITH THE STUCCO.

02:28:27 AND THEN HERE YOU SEE THAT THE DROP CEILINGS WERE REMOVED.

02:28:31 YOU SEE THE AMALIUM WAS RE-CREATED, AND THE WINDOWS TO LET

02:28:40 IN THE NATURAL LIGHT TO HAVE A MORE PLEASURABLE WORK

02:28:42 EXPERIENCE.

02:28:43 PRIOR TO REHABILITATION.

02:28:44 AND THEN AFTER REHABILITATION WHEN THE DROP CEILINGS WERE

02:28:47 REMOVED, THE PERIOD SKYLIGHTS TO LET IN THAT NATURAL LIGHT,

02:28:52 TO CREATE THAT BENEFICIAL WORK EXPERIENCE.

02:28:57 THIS IS ACCESSIBILITY, AND THEN HOW IT LOOKS TODAY.

02:29:02 THEN THROUGH UPSTAIRS THE ADAPTIVE REUSE SOME RESIDENTIAL




02:29:06 COMPONENTS.

02:29:06 THIS IS PRIOR TO REHABILITATION.

02:29:08 AND THEN AFTER REHABILITATION, THE FLOORS WERE REPAIRED AND

02:29:14 BROUGHT BACK TO THEIR LUSTER.

02:29:16 THE EXTERIOR WALLS.

02:29:19 AND THEN JUST A COUPLE MORE SHOTS OF HOW IT LOOKS TODAY.

02:29:28 SO THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS ON JANUARY 26,

02:29:32 2021, AND FELT THAT IT MET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR

02:29:37 STANDARDS.

02:29:37 I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS FIRST AD VALOREM.

02:29:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

02:29:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT OLD PHOTO. HOME OF THE BANANAS.

02:29:47 A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

02:29:51 MOTION TO CLOSE.

02:29:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MR. MANISCALCO.

02:29:55 SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

02:29:56 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:29:58 ANY OPPOSED?

02:30:00 MOTION CARRIES.

02:30:01 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WE HAVE TO READ THE ORDINANCE.

02:30:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:30:08 MR. MANISCALCO.

02:30:10 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR

02:30:14 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN

02:30:16 HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION APPLICATION




02:30:19 RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION, RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF

02:30:23 CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY YBOR MARTI, LLC, 02 EAST 7TH

02:30:28 AVENUE TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT,

02:30:31 BASED UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE

02:30:34 PROPERTY APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR

02:30:37 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN

02:30:40 CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

02:30:41 >> SECOND.

02:30:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

02:30:47 ROLL CALL VOTE.

02:30:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:30:49 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:30:52 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:30:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:30:56 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:30:58 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH CARLSON

02:31:02 ABSTAINING.

02:31:02 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ITEM 6.

02:31:12 >>RON VILA: THE NEXT AD VALOREM I AM GOING TO PRESENT TO

02:31:15 YOU, IS THIS ON YOUR SCREEN, 3108 EAST JEFFERSON STREET?

02:31:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:31:22 >>RON VILA: THIS IS ALSO HISTORIC PRESERVATION TAX

02:31:25 EXEMPTION.

02:31:37 BURDEN FOR THE MAINTENANCE, THE ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES ARE

02:31:39 DESIGNATED LOCAL LANDMARKS, HISTORIC PROPERTIES AND




02:31:43 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

02:31:45 AND THIS WAS REVIEWED BY THE ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMISSION.

02:31:53 THIS BUILDING WAS REFERRED TO AS THE GRAHAM BOTTLING

02:31:56 BUILDING.

02:31:56 YOU SEE THE NATURE OF IT IS RED.

02:31:59 IT IS THE COLOR OF THE SANBORN MAP WHICH INDICATES THAT IT

02:32:02 WAS BRICK CONSTRUCTION, AND THEN YOU SEE THE DENSITY IN THE

02:32:06 IMMEDIATE VICINITY IN THE YELLOW WHICH IS PRECONSTRUCTION

02:32:08 WITH A HOUSING STOCK.

02:32:18 THIS IS BEFORE RENOVATION AND AFTER RENOVATION.

02:32:22 THE BUILDING WAG VACANT FOR MANY YEARS.

02:32:24 AS THIS PROGRAM WAS USED TO EXERCISE THE BENEFIT A THAT IT

02:32:29 HAS AND THE VIABILITY IT HAS IN THE DISTRICT.

02:32:36 PART OF THIS BUILDING WAS HIT BY LICENSE.

02:32:38 YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BRICKS HERE.

02:32:39 THIS WAS ALL IN THE STREET AT ONE TIME.

02:32:41 IT WAS BEING RECONSTRUCTED.

02:32:43 AND HOW IT LOOKS TODAY ON THE BOTTOM.

02:32:48 PORTION OF THE BUILDING WAS DISMANTLED WHICH WAS HERE.

02:32:51 AND THE DEMOLITION OF PART OF THE BUILDINGS THEY RE-CREATED

02:32:55 A PARKING AREA.

02:32:56 SO THIS BUILDING MEETS ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

02:33:01 AS PART OF THE DEMOLITION FOR THAT PORTION, THE BRICK WAS

02:33:05 SENSE DIFFERENTLY REMOVED, AND THEN REINSTATED INTO A

02:33:09 BUILDING WHERE THERE WAS NEED FOR THE BRICK TO BE




02:33:12 REINSTATED.

02:33:14 MOVING TO THE INTERIOR, YOU SEE THE HEAVY STRUCTURAL

02:33:17 MEMBERS, PART OF THE FEATURES IN THE BUILDING AND

02:33:24 IMPLEMENTED INTO THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION AND BECAME A

02:33:27 VISIBLE COMPONENT OF THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE LIVING SPACES

02:33:32 THAT ARE THERE TODAY.

02:33:35 PART OF THE SKELETON WAS THE SCOPE OF THE OWNERS, HOW THEY

02:33:38 WANTED TO LEAVE IT.

02:33:39 SO THE BEFORE YOU SEE HOW SOME WAS PEELING AWAY, AND WORKED

02:33:44 ON THE BUILDING, PEELED AWAY WHAT WAS LOOSE, AND LEFT BEHIND

02:33:48 WHAT WAS ENGAGED INTO THE BUILDING THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE

02:33:54 FRAMEWORK OF THE BUILDING.

02:33:57 INTERIOR, THEY HAD SOME WOOD SIDING ON THE UPPER LEVEL.

02:34:01 THE WOOD WAS POLISHED AND RETAINED.

02:34:04 AND THEN LASTLY, THIS IS 3108 NORTH JEFFERSON, ON FEBRUARY

02:34:09 3rd, 2021, HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND

02:34:15 THE CITY COUNCIL -- [~DISTORTION~]

02:34:22 I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

02:34:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

02:34:26 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT SAYS GRAHAM BOTTLING WORK AND THEN IT

02:34:39 SAYS BOOTLEGGER. IS THERE ANY INTERESTING STORY OF

02:34:44 BOOTLEGGERS?

02:34:46 >> THE BOOTLEGGERS IS THE NAME OF THE ESTABLISHMENT TODAY.

02:34:48 THE OWNERS WANTED TO ATTACH THAT TO IT SO IT HAS A LITTLE

02:34:51 MYSTIQUE TO THE.




02:34:52 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO WE DON'T HAVE A HISTORICAL REFERENCE

02:34:55 TO THAT, JUST A NICE NICKNAME?

02:34:59 >>RON VILA: CORRECT.

02:35:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

02:35:07 AND I HOPE YOU GET OUT SAVE, RON.

02:35:09 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WAS NO BOOTLEGGING IN TAMPA.

02:35:16 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CARLSON.

02:35:19 ALL IN FAVOR?

02:35:20 ANY OPPOSED?

02:35:23 MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU READ 58, PLEASE?

02:35:31 >> 56.

02:35:34 I MOVE E 2021-8-CHAPTER 27.

02:35:38 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,

02:35:41 AN ORDINANCE APPROVING AN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX

02:35:44 EXEMPTION APPLICATION RELATIVE TO THE RESTORATION,

02:35:46 RENOVATION OR REHABILITATION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY

02:35:49 SIGHT BF PLATS LLC LOCATED AT 3108 NORTH JEFFERSON STREET,

02:35:53 TAMPA, FLORIDA IN THE TAMPA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED

02:35:56 UPON CERTAIN FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY

02:35:59 APPRAISER OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, PROVIDING FOR

02:36:02 SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES IN

02:36:04 CONFLICT, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

02:36:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

02:36:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. CARLSON.

02:36:09 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.




02:36:10 ROLL CALL PLEASE.

02:36:11 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

02:36:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

02:36:15 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

02:36:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

02:36:18 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

02:36:19 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

02:36:20 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

02:36:22 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

02:36:23 >>RON VILA: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

02:36:30 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 57.

02:36:32 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

02:36:36 I NEED TO BE SWORN IN.

02:36:36 [OATH ADMINISTERED]

02:36:44 >> ITEM NUMBER 57 IS FILE REZ 20-92 FOR SECOND READING AND

02:36:50 ADOPTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5430 AND 5440 WEST TYSON

02:36:55 AVENUE.

02:36:55 THE REQUEST WAS TO REZONE FROM IH INDUSTRIAL HEAVY TO PD

02:36:59 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY,

02:37:01 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, RESTAURANT, RETAIL SALES, SHOPPERS

02:37:05 GOODS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

02:37:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

02:37:10 ANY QUESTIONS?

02:37:12 THANK YOU, SIR.

02:37:13 >> I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK SLIDES.




02:37:31 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

02:37:37 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE WE BEGIN, LET ME JUST STATE, ASK

02:37:46 VERY QUICKLY WITH REGARD TO --

02:37:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE I'M SORRY, I

02:37:53 WILL TRY TO LEARN HOW TO USE THIS BETTER. WITH REGARD TO

02:37:56 ANY EX PARTE VERBAL COMMUNICATION IFS ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS

02:37:59 EBBS HAD ANY COMMUNICATIONS RELATIVE TO THIS CASE PLEASE

02:38:03 DISCLOSE THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF THAT COMMUNITY AND WITH

02:38:05 WHOM THAT COMMUNICATION OCCURRED.

02:38:07 I SEE NO RESPONSE.

02:38:08 THANK YOU.

02:38:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY PROCEED, MS. BATSEL.

02:38:14 >>ELISE BATSEL: IF YOU COULD SHOW THE SCREEN AFTER I TURN

02:38:19 THE COMPUTER ON, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

02:38:21 GOT IT?

02:38:27 MR. CREW OR SULING, IF YOU COULD ENABLE THE SCREEN FOR

02:38:33 SUZANNE WALKER SO WE CAN GET STARTED.

02:38:36 >>THE CLERK: YES.

02:38:37 I GAVE HER PRESENTER RATES.

02:38:38 >>ELISE BATSEL: GREAT.

02:38:41 WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE SCREEN.

02:38:46 YOU ARE GIVING TO THE ME BUT NOT TO SUZANNE.

02:38:49 >>THE CLERK: YOU SHOULD SEE A BOX POP UP.

02:39:12 YOU JUST HAVE TO ACCESS IT.

02:39:13 >>ELISE BATSEL: IT'S POPPING UP FOR ME BUT NOT FOR MS.




02:39:21 WALKER.

02:39:23 I GOT THE BOX.

02:39:24 >>THE CLERK: IT STATES SUZANNE WALKER AND THAT IS THE

02:39:29 PRESENTER I AM GIVING IT TO.

02:39:31 >>ELISE BATSEL: OKAY, DO YOU WANT TO TRY THAT AGAIN?

02:39:51 >> EXCUSE ME, THIS IS VALERIE, THE COURT REPORTER.

02:39:53 IF YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME, ON MY SCREEN IT IS SHOWING THAT I

02:39:56 AM THE PRESENTER.

02:39:57 >>THE CLERK: GIVE ME A MOMENT.

02:40:22 IT LOOKS LIKE SUZANNE IS LOGGING IN TWICE SO LET ME START IT

02:40:29 OVER.

02:40:30 >>ELISE BATSEL: THANK YOU.

02:40:33 SORRY ABOUT THIS.

02:40:34 HOPEFULLY WE'LL ALL MEET TOGETHER IN PERSON SOON AND WE

02:40:37 WON'T HAVE TO DO THIS ANYMORE.

02:40:44 YOU KNOW WHAT?

02:40:46 THAT IS NOT OUR SUZANNE WALKER.

02:40:49 THERE MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY NAMED SUZANNE WALKER

02:40:52 ALSO.

02:40:52 THERE WE GO.

02:40:53 OKAY.

02:40:53 WE ARE SET.

02:40:56 ARE YOU READY FOR US, MR. CHAIRMAN?

02:40:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M READY.

02:40:59 YOU MAY PROCEED.




02:41:00 >>ELISE BATSEL: ELISE BATSEL, STEARNS, WEAVER, MILLER, 401

02:41:03 EAST JACKSON STREET.

02:41:04 MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM NOT IN THE HABIT OF INTRODUCING ANY NEW

02:41:07 EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD AT SECOND READING BUT I FEEL

02:41:10 COMPELLED TO ADDRESS TWO SIGNIFICANT LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO

02:41:14 MR. DINGFELDER'S LINE OF QUESTIONING ABOUT THE CHLORINE

02:41:16 ISSUES THAT OCCURRED DURING THE APRIL 8 HEARING AND TO

02:41:21 DOCUMENT THEM FOR THE RECORD, SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TODAY

02:41:25 NOT TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT.

02:41:28 SPECIFICALLY, I WANT TO ADDRESS THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING TO

02:41:31 MS. ILA REGARDING THE 1998 LEAKS AT CHEMICAL FORMULATORS,

02:41:36 THE 2005 LEAKS AT CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, AND THE GRANITEVILLE

02:41:41 RAIL CAR CRASH.

02:41:42 IT IS VERY LEGALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT

02:41:45 PRIOR TO HIS QUESTIONING OF MS. ILA THE RECORD WAS

02:41:49 COMPLETELY DEVOID OF ANY EVIDENCE OF THESE THREE MATTERS.

02:41:53 THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS EVIDENCE BY MR. DINGFELDER PRESENTS

02:41:56 TWO DISTINCT LEGAL PROBLEMS THAT I AM COMPELLED TO PUT

02:41:59 INFORMATION ON THE RECORD TO PRESERVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.

02:42:05 THE FIRST SCENARIO INVOLVED COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER'S

02:42:08 QUESTIONS STATING THAT HE GOOGLED CHLORINE SAFETY AND

02:42:11 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND HEARING.

02:42:14 FLORIDA LAW IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT MEMBERS OF A LOCAL

02:42:18 COUNCIL OR COMMISSION CANNOT ACT ON THEIR OWN INFORMATION.

02:42:23 AS EARLY AS 1962, THE COURT IN THORN V. FLORIDA REAL ESTATE




02:42:29 COMMISSION SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THIS POINT AND SAY IN PART,

02:42:33 COUNCIL WHO ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON OR AFTER

02:42:37 A HEARING IN THE EXERCISE OF A QUASI-JUDICIAL FUNCTION

02:42:40 CANNOT ACT ON THEIR OWN INFORMATION.

02:42:42 IT IS IMPROPER FOR SUCH AN OFFICER TO BASE HIS DECISION OR

02:42:46 FINDING UPON FACTS GATHERED FROM ITS OWN RECORD WITHOUT

02:42:49 INTRODUCING THE RECORDS INTO EVIDENCE.

02:42:52 THIS CONFLICT WAS RECENTLY REAFFIRMED BY THE FLORIDA COURTS

02:42:55 IN 2020.

02:42:57 MY LEGAL CONCERN IS THIS.

02:42:59 THERE IS NO WAY AT THIS JUNCTURE FOR ME OR ANY OF US

02:43:02 INVOLVED TODAY TO KNOW WHAT INFORMATION MR. DINGFELDER

02:43:06 REVIEWED AND GOOGLE SEARCHED.

02:43:08 NOTHING WAS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

02:43:09 WE CAN NEVER KNOW ALL THE WEB PAGES OR SITES THAT MR.

02:43:13 DINGFELDER REVIEWED IN HIS INDEPENDENT RESEARCH.

02:43:16 WE CAN NEVER KNOW WHAT INFORMATION HE LEARNED IN HIS

02:43:18 RESEARCH AND HOW THAT MIGHT INFORM HIS THINKING ON THIS

02:43:20 ISSUE.

02:43:21 AND EVEN HIS THINKING UNCONSCIOUSLY.

02:43:26 UNFORTUNATELY AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CURE

02:43:28 THIS PREJUDICE TO THE APPLICANT.

02:43:31 THERE IS A SECOND SCENARIO WHICH PRESENTS ANOTHER LEGAL

02:43:34 PROBLEM.

02:43:35 AND I AM COMPELLED TO PUT ADDITIONAL FACTS INTO THE RECORD.




02:43:38 AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE ISSUE OF PREJUDICIAL EX PARTE

02:43:42 COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN WELL ESTABLISHED BY FLORIDA COURTS

02:43:44 SINCE 1991.

02:43:47 THE THIRD DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS HELD IN THE SEMINAL CASE

02:43:50 OF JENNINGS VERSUS DADE COUNTY THAT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS

02:43:53 ARE INHERENTLY IMPROPER AND ARE A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.

02:44:00 QUASI-JUDICIAL OFFICERS SHOULD AVOID ALL SUCH CONTACT WHERE

02:44:03 THEY ARE IDENTIFIABLE.

02:44:05 AND FURTHER, THESE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ARE PRESUMED

02:44:10 PREJUDICIAL, AND IT'S COUNCIL'S BURDEN TO PROVE SUCH

02:44:14 COMMUNICATIONS WERE NOT PREJUDICIAL BY SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT

02:44:16 EVIDENCE.

02:44:17 I AM MERELY SUBMITTING FACTS, AND THE FIRST FACT IS THAT AN

02:44:20 E-MAIL WAS SENT TO COUNCIL BY A CITIZEN AT 5:54 P.M. ON THE

02:44:24 EVENING OF APRIL 8 HEARING.

02:44:27 WE OBTAINED THIS INFORMATION THROUGH A PUBLIC RECORDS

02:44:29 REQUEST.

02:44:30 THIS INFORMATION WAS NOT AND STILL TODAY IS NOT IN THE

02:44:33 PUBLIC RECORD UNTIL WE SHOWED IT ON THE SCREEN TODAY.

02:44:37 HER E-MAIL CONTAINS FOUR LINKS.

02:44:40 THE FIRST CONTAINED A LINK ABOUT THIS REZONING PETITION, AND

02:44:46 SECOND, THE OTHER THREE LINKS WERE RELATED TO ARTICLES ABOUT

02:44:49 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS AND CHLORINE GAS LEAKS.

02:44:52 THOSE THREE LINKS COVERED THE TOPICS AND PROVIDED SPECIFIC

02:44:56 STATISTICS RELATED TO INCIDENCES.




02:44:59 THEY WERE AS FOLLOWS.

02:45:00 THE 1998 LEAK AT CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, THE 2005 LEAK AT

02:45:05 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS, AND THE GRANITEVILLE RAIL CAR CRASH.

02:45:11 I WILL REMIND YOU THAT DURING THE LAST HEARING THERE WERE

02:45:13 THREE THINGS THAT MR. DINGFELDER QUESTIONED IRA ABOUT IN

02:45:17 DETAIL WHICH WERE NOT IN THE RECORD.

02:45:18 THOSE WERE AS FOLLOWS:

02:45:20 NUMBER ONE, THE 1998 LEAK FOR CHEMICAL FORMULATORS.

02:45:26 NUMBER TWO, THE 2005 LEAK AT CHEMICAL FORMULATORS. AND

02:45:29 FINALLY THE GRANITEVILLE RAIL CAR CRASH.

02:45:32 IT IS ASSUMED THAT COUNCIL WILL NOT OPEN OR READ E-MAILS

02:45:35 RELATED TO QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE

02:45:38 COUNCIL FOR A VOTE, OR AT A MINIMUM COUNCIL WILL DISCLOSE

02:45:42 SUCH EX PARTE COMMUNICATION SO THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS ARE

02:45:45 PROPERLY ENTERED INTO THE RECORD AND THE APPLICANT HAS AN

02:45:48 OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE AND RESPOND BEFORE ANY VOTE IS

02:45:52 TAKEN.

02:45:54 AT THE BEGINNING OF THE APRIL 8 HEARING AND AGAIN TODAY AT

02:45:56 THIS HEARING, MR. SHELBY ASKED IF ANYONE HAD ANY EX PARTE

02:45:59 COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE AND NO ONE DISCLOSED THEY HAD ANY

02:46:03 EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

02:46:06 SO WHETHER THIS INFORMATION USED TO CREATE THE LINE OF

02:46:10 QUESTIONING FOR MS. ILA WAS THE RESULT OF COUNCILMAN

02:46:14 DINGFELDER'S INDEPENDENT RESEARCH OR WHETHER IT WAS PROMPTED

02:46:16 THROUGH UNDISCLOSED EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, IT DOESN'T




02:46:20 REALLY MATTER BECAUSE THE END RESULT IS THE SAME.

02:46:23 THE USE OF THIS INFORMATION WAS PREJUDICIAL TO THE APPLICANT

02:46:26 AND CREATES SIGNIFICANT LEGAL PROBLEMS FOR THIS APPLICANT IF

02:46:30 THE PROJECT IS NOT APPROVED TODAY.

02:46:33 WE HOPE THAT THESE ADDITIONAL FACTS THAT WE PUT INTO THE

02:46:35 RECORD NEVER BECOME A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY AND THAT THE VOTE

02:46:39 GOES JUST LIKE IT DID THE LAST TIME.

02:46:41 AS YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT WE PRESENTED, THAT

02:46:45 COUNCIL PRESENTED, OR THAT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY

02:46:48 PRESENTED, WE ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY WITH EXPERT TESTIMONY

02:46:52 AND WITH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

02:46:56 YOU DO GREAT WORK ON THIS COUNCIL, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU,

02:47:00 AND I KNOW THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ARE PUBLIC

02:47:02 SERVANTS AND ONLY WANT WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE

02:47:05 COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO

02:47:07 PROTECT THE PROCESS AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE DECISIONS THAT

02:47:09 YOU MAKE.

02:47:11 THANK YOU.

02:47:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

02:47:16 MR. MANASSE?

02:47:20 >>RYAN MANASSE: STAFF IS READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

02:47:25 SHOULD COUNCIL HAVE ANY, BUT I GUESS IT'S BACK TO YOU, SIR.

02:47:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

02:47:33 ALL RIGHT.

02:47:33 GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE FOUR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.




02:47:36 >> HELLO?

02:47:45 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

02:47:47 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE CAN HEAR YOU.

02:47:51 WE CAN'T SEE YOU, THOUGH.

02:47:52 >> EARLIER MY MICROPHONE DIDN'T WORK SO I HAVE A BACKUP

02:48:02 COMPUTER.

02:48:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. WELLS?

02:48:07 >>CATE WELLS: I HATE TO INTERRUPT PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT FOR

02:48:09 THE RECORD, CATE WELLS, CHIEF ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.

02:48:13 I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT GIVEN THE ISSUES RAISED BY MRS.

02:48:17 BATSEL IF MR. SHELBY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT IT

02:48:22 WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR MR. DINGFELDER TO RECUSE HIMSELF.

02:48:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY?

02:48:26 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN.

02:48:28 I WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, I AM GOING TO

02:48:31 INQUIRE OF THE CLERK AND THEN I WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS

02:48:35 THAT.

02:48:35 IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU, MS. WELLS?

02:48:37 IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY NOW THAT WE SHOULD

02:48:39 DISCUSS RATHER THAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?

02:48:43 I WAS ABOUT TO CONVERSE WITH THE CLERK.

02:48:45 >> HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT, MR. SHELBY.

02:48:49 I WAS IS JUST RAISING IT FOR THE RECORD.

02:48:52 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I APPRECIATE THAT.

02:48:53 WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.




02:48:57 THANK YOU.

02:48:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WILL BE RIGHT BACK, MR. CHAIR.

02:49:04 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE STILL HAVE FOUR.

02:49:07 >>THE CLERK: I HAVE THREE OUT OF THE FOUR.

02:49:27 STEPHANIE POYNER IS NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.

02:49:29 SO EVERYONE ELSE PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

02:49:34 DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT

02:49:36 TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

02:49:38 >> YES.

02:49:43 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

02:49:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE WILL GO WITH JEAN STROHMEYER FIRST.

02:49:48 >> SURE.

02:49:51 OKAY.

02:49:51 MY NAME IS JEAN STROHMEYER, PRESIDENT OF INTERBAY GANDY

02:49:57 CIVIC ASSOCIATION HERE TO OPPOSE ITEM 57 DUE TO THE CHEMICAL

02:50:00 PLANT BEING 500 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED APARTMENTS.

02:50:05 DEVELOPMENT OF CHANNELSIDE NOT YET CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL

02:50:08 UNTIL THE NIGH RATE AND CHEMICAL COMPANY LEFT.

02:50:12 OTHER HAZARDOUS INDUSTRIES IN THE PORT TAMPA AREA ARE 12 TO

02:50:16 1400 FEET AWAY.

02:50:18 CHEMICAL FORMULATOR IS CLOSE TO 500 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED

02:50:22 SITE.

02:50:22 HARBOR ISLAND CITY PLANNERS TESTIFIED THAT IT DID NOT GET

02:50:27 DEVELOPED AS RESIDENTIAL UNTIL AFTER THEY CLEANED UP WHERE

02:50:31 WHAT WAS USED BY THE COUNTY AS A MOSQUITO CONTROL AREA.




02:50:35 DANGER OF TRAINS.

02:50:36 THERE'S ONLY ONE TRAIN A DAY TO CFI.

02:50:40 IF THAT TRAIN JUST TRAVELED 20 MILES AN HOUR THAT MEANS THAT

02:50:43 RESIDENCES CLOSE TO THE TRACKS OVER 880 FEET OF THAT TRAIN

02:50:46 FOR ONE MINUTE A DAY.

02:50:48 IF IT GOES 10 MILES AN HOUR IT'S TWO MINUTES A DAY.

02:50:55 IN 2015 THERE WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK ON A CHEMICAL PLANT IN

02:51:00 FRANCE.

02:51:00 THE TERRORISTS ROLLED A VAN INTO A CHEMICAL WAREHOUSE AND IT

02:51:04 EXPLODED.

02:51:05 SECURITY EXPERTS SAY THAT SITUATION EXPOSED THE

02:51:07 VULNERABILITIES OF CHEMICAL PLANTS TO TERRORIST ATTACKS.

02:51:10 THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY CONSIDERS

02:51:13 CHEMICAL FORMULATORS WITH ITS CHLORINE GAS INDUSTRY TO BE

02:51:18 TARGET OF TERRORIST ATTACKS.

02:51:19 CFI INFORMED TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IN 2018 OF THIS

02:51:23 VULNERABILITY.

02:51:24 THEY ARE REQUIRED TO FILE INFORMATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF

02:51:27 HOMELAND SECURITY AND THE COAST GUARD TO THE ONGOING CONCERN

02:51:32 ABOUT --

02:51:57 [NO ENCODER]

02:51:58 [NO ENCODER]

02:52:02 NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO INCREASE POPULATION DENSITY.

02:52:05 AS SUCH A RAPID RACE ESPECIALLY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD.

02:52:08 TO DO THIS IS A BLATANT DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE OVER




02:52:12 PROFIT.

02:52:13 PLEASE DENY THIS DANGEROUS REZONING REQUEST AND VOTE YOUR

02:52:16 CONSCIENCE AND PUT LIFE BEFORE PROFIT IN OUR GREAT CITY.

02:52:19 THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.

02:52:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

02:52:24 CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

02:52:25 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?

02:52:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, WE CAN.

02:52:38 >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.

02:52:40 AMERICANS CHANCES OF DYING IN THE 911 TERRORIST ATTACKS WERE

02:52:46 .000001.

02:52:50 MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WENT TO WORK THAT DAY IN AN OFFICE.

02:52:57 HE DID NOT REPORT TO HIS FAIR HOUSE.

02:52:58 HE WAS A CAPTAIN IN THE FDNY BUT WAS ALSO A CHEMICAL

02:53:02 ENGINEER.

02:53:03 ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 HE WAS DEVELOPING A TRAINING CLASS FOR

02:53:07 HAZ-MAT SO HE WAS IN A NICE SAFE DESK IN A NICE SAFE OFFICE.

02:53:16 THEN THE TOWERS WERE HIT.

02:53:19 SIX WEEKS LATER, AFTER ALL HOPE WAS GONE, A MEMORIAL SERVICE

02:53:23 WAS HELD.

02:53:25 IT WAS A MEMORIAL INSTEAD OF A FUNERAL BECAUSE NOTHING WAS

02:53:29 FOUND.

02:53:30 A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE FIRST OF HIS FOUR CHILDREN GOT

02:53:33 MARRIED.

02:53:36 AT HIS WEDDING THE DAUGHTER DANCED THE TRADITIONAL FATHER




02:53:39 DAUGHTER DANCE WITH HER UNCLE.

02:53:42 IN 2009, THE CHANCES OF A TEENAGER DYING IN A HOUSE FIRE

02:53:46 WERE ABOUT .00002.

02:53:52 MY NEPHEW WAS SAFE ON THE SIDEWALK.

02:53:56 MY NEPHEW WAS SAFE ON THE SQUAWK BUT HIS BEST FRIEND WAS

02:54:01 STILL IN THE HOUSE.

02:54:03 EVERY DAY, BETWEEN DREAMS AND REALITY, EVERY DAY THE FIRST

02:54:10 SECOND OF AWARENESS, EVERY DAY HIS PARENTS FIRST THOUGHT IS,

02:54:15 MY SON IS DEAD.

02:54:18 AND I WILL BE THAT WILL BE THEIR FIRST WAKING THOUGHT EVERY

02:54:22 DAY FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

02:54:27 DO I THINK THERE WILL BE A LEAK OF CHEMICAL -- CHEMICAL

02:54:33 FORMULATORS?

02:54:34 NO, I DO NOT.

02:54:35 I DO THINK THERE WILL BE A TERRORIST ATTACK OWN CHEMICAL

02:54:38 FORMULATORS?

02:54:39 NO, I DO NOT.

02:54:40 I DO THINK IT'S WORTH THE RISK?

02:54:42 NO, I DO NOT.

02:54:43 THERE IS A REASON PEOPLE BUY LOTTERY TICKETS AND THAT ARE

02:54:47 LONG SHOTS AT THE TRACK, BECAUSE NO MATTER IF IT'S 100 TO

02:54:52 ONE OR A MILLION TO ONE, THE ONE ALWAYS COMES IN.

02:54:57 SOONER OR LATER, THE ONE ALWAYS COMES IN.

02:55:01 THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN .00001 AND ZERO CANNOT BE CALCULATED

02:55:08 WITH MATH, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT A NUMBER.




02:55:14 THE DIFFERENCE IS A FAR LESS QUOTIENT OF GRIEF AND PAIN.

02:55:21 WHEN THE ONE COMES, AND IT WILL, WHEN THAT ONE COMES IN,

02:55:28 FLORIDA, TAMPA, DON'T TELL THE PUBLIC HOW SHOCKED YOU ARE

02:55:33 AND DON'T KNOW THE RISK.

02:55:35 TELL THE PUBLIC YOU DECIDED IT WAS WORTH THE RISK.

02:55:37 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

02:55:48 SHAWN BROWN.

02:55:51 >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

02:55:53 IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, AND I WAS SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE, IT'S

02:56:00 SOMETHING WHERE WE LOOK AT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE

02:56:04 TO SUPPORT SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE, UNFORTUNATELY THAT

02:56:07 EVIDENCE WOULD BE LIVES LOST.

02:56:11 INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR IN THE PAST AND PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED

02:56:14 AND WHO WOULD HAVE SUFFERED AND WHO HAVE PERMANENT DAMAGE.

02:56:19 THAT'S THE KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT IN

02:56:22 ORDER TO I GUESS PROBABLY CONVINCE ALL OF YOU NOT TO APPROVE

02:56:27 THIS.

02:56:27 I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WANT TO EVER BE A PART OF HISTORY

02:56:32 WHERE THAT KIND OF EVIDENCE IS PART OF YOUR RECORD, AND AS

02:56:36 TRUTHFULLY WHERE IT'S AT.

02:56:40 ON RATTLESNAKE POINT THERE IS CHEMICAL FORMULATORS.

02:56:44 THERE'S OTHER INDUSTRIALS.

02:56:45 THERE IS AN ISSUE.

02:56:46 AS THEY SAID IT'S ONLY 500, 600 FEET AWAY FROM THE PLANT.

02:56:50 WHETHER YOU WANT TO TAKE THE RISK OR NOT IN ALLOWING THIS




02:56:54 TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR, WITH THAT BEING ON THAT

02:56:58 PENINSULA, RATTLESNAKE POINT IS A PENINSULA AND JUTS OUT IN

02:57:02 SOUTH TAMPA, AS BEING SOUTH TAMPA.

02:57:06 IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT RISK AND MAYBE

02:57:09 BE A PART OF I WOULD SAY A NEGATIVE PART OF HISTORY IF

02:57:12 SOMETHING WERE TO OCCUR.

02:57:13 GRANTED IT'S A BIG IF.

02:57:16 AND AS CARROLL ANN SAID, DO WE THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

02:57:19 NO.

02:57:19 BUT THERE ARE THE RISKS.

02:57:23 WE NEVER THOUGHT 9/11 WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

02:57:26 WE NEVER THOUGHT THINGS WERE GOING TO OCCUR.

02:57:28 A FEW YEARS AGO, WATCHING IT THE OR WHATEVER HIS TITLE IS

02:57:32 VLADIMIR PUT INPUTS OUT HIS VIDEO SHOWING AREAS HE WOULD

02:57:36 ATTACK IN THE COUNTRY, SOUTH TAMPA IS ONE OF THEM BECAUSE OF

02:57:39 THE BASE.

02:57:40 BUT NEVERTHELESS, COUNTRIES LIKE THAT ARE LOOKING AT AREAS

02:57:44 TO ATTACK.

02:57:46 AND HE PUTS OUT THAT VIDEO, YOU GUYS CAN FIND THAT ONLINE.

02:57:49 IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

02:57:53 THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION, AT LEAST PRESENTED A LOT OF

02:57:56 EVIDENCE FOR THE PROPOSAL AND QUITE FRANKLY IF THAT PROJECT

02:58:00 WAS SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT DISCUSSION,

02:58:05 BECAUSE THEY PUT IN MIXED USE, THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING

02:58:09 COUNCIL I GUESS IN A WAY ASKED FOR EARLY ON, AND CAME BACK




02:58:13 WITH A MORE MIXED USE PROJECT, BUT THE FACT IT'S A LOCATION

02:58:16 HAS A LOT OF RISKS TO IT.

02:58:19 AND AGAIN TO PRESENT COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WOULD

02:58:22 BE TO BASICALLY SAY SOMETHING IS ALREADY HAPPENED BEFORE

02:58:26 LOST LIVES, BEFORE INJURED, AND THAT'S THAT.

02:58:29 THAT'S THE KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT REALLY YOU ALL ARE LOOKING

02:58:32 FOR, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

02:58:34 SO AT ANY RATE, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL TAKE THIS TO HEART, VOTE

02:58:38 YOUR CONSCIENCE AND DECIDE FOR THE BEST OF THE PEOPLE.

02:58:41 THANK YOU.

02:58:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

02:58:44 I SEE WE HAVE POYNOR?

02:58:51 >>THE CLERK: YES.

02:58:52 STEPHANIE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

02:58:55 [OATH ADMINISTERED]

02:58:58 THANK YOU.

02:59:02 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

02:59:04 WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

02:59:05 >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

02:59:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HEAR YOU.

02:59:12 >> SORRY.

02:59:14 I JUST NEED TO SAY THAT BOTTOM LINE IS I HAD A LONG

02:59:18 CONVERSATION WITH THE LEADERSHIP AT THE RESERVE UNIT NEXT

02:59:23 DOOR TO THE CHEMICAL FORMULATORS.

02:59:29 YES, I SENT THE E-MAIL.




02:59:30 GUESS WHAT, I HAD SURGERY THAT DAY.

02:59:32 SO IT MAY HAVE CAME AFTER THE HEARING STARTED, BUT I DIDN'T

02:59:37 TIME ANYBODY'S, AND THOSE ARTICLES ARE WELL OPEN TO THE

02:59:43 PUBLIC.

02:59:44 IT TOOK ME ABOUT THREE SECONDS OF GOOGLING THEM.

02:59:48 I DID CALL THE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

02:59:54 HE CONFIRMED THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 300 YARDS FROM WHERE THE

03:00:04 SPILL TOOK PLACE, SO THESE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE WELL

03:00:12 WITHIN THE DANGER RANGE.

03:00:14 AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE FOLKS AT THE RESERVE CENTER SAID

03:00:19 THAT THERE'S A SOCK OUTSIDE IN ORDER TO DESIGNATED WHICH WAY

03:00:24 THE WIND IS BLOWING SO THEY KNOW WHETHER IT'S SAFE TO PUT

03:00:32 THEIR RECRUITING CENTER -- THEIR RESERVE CENTER OR NOT, IF

03:00:34 NOT THEY HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN TO ACTUALLY VACATE THE LOT

03:00:39 NEXT DOOR TO CF, VIA WATER VEHICLES, FROM THE AMMONIA BASE

03:00:47 JUST DOWN THE ROAD.

03:00:48 SO THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS A DETECTION SYSTEM THAT IS

03:00:54 SITTING ON THE BOUNDARIES.

03:00:55 I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY FROM THE DEVELOPER TALK ABOUT WHAT

03:00:59 KIND OF SAFETY AND SECURITY ISSUES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO

03:01:02 HAVE FOR THIS.

03:01:07 I SENT AN E-MAIL DURING A MEETING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN

03:01:11 THAT BECAME ILLEGAL BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE COULD SEND E-MAILS

03:01:15 WHENEVER WE WANTED.

03:01:17 BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.




03:01:18 YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

03:01:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

03:01:23 WE GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT FOR REBUTTAL.

03:01:25 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM GOING TO HAVE

03:01:28 TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED BY MS. BATSEL AND I

03:01:32 WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT BEFORE HER REBUTTAL.

03:01:35 MS. BATSEL, HI, MARTIN SHELBY.

03:01:37 CAN YOU HEAR ME?

03:01:38 >>ELISE BATSEL: YES, SIR.

03:01:39 >> MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME, AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS A WAY TO

03:01:44 DO THIS, OKAY, YOU CAN SEE ME THERE, TOO, AND YOU CAN SEE ME

03:01:50 HERE.

03:01:51 >>ELISE BATSEL: YES, SIR.

03:01:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

03:01:53 MAY I MAKE A COUPLE OF INQUIRIES RELATIVE TO YOUR

03:01:57 PRESENTATION FOR THE RECORD?

03:01:58 >>ELISE BATSEL: OF COURSE.

03:01:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

03:02:01 THE FIRST ONE BEING WITH REGARD TO THE LETTER THAT YOU

03:02:06 DISPLAYED TO COUNCIL.

03:02:10 HAS THAT BEEN, OTHER THAN THE SCREEN SHOT OF IT, HAS THAT

03:02:14 BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CITY AS OF YET?

03:02:19 >>ELISE BATSEL: NO, IT HAS NOT.

03:02:22 >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND WAS IT YOUR REPRESENTATION JUST SO I

03:02:24 AM CLEAR, WAS IT YOUR REPRESENTATION THAT THAT EX PARTE




03:02:28 COMMUNICATION, THAT WRITTEN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION --

03:02:33 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR A

03:02:36 SECOND AS A POINT OF ORDER.

03:02:39 I WILL TAKE EVERYBODY OUT OF THIS AGONY.

03:02:41 THIS THING PASSED BEFORE AND OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL IS GOING TO

03:02:44 IGNORE THIS DANGEROUS CONDITION, THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY

03:02:49 AND WELFARE, IT'S GOING TO PASS AGAIN.

03:02:51 SO REGARDLESS, I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND RECUSE MYSELF,

03:02:54 BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND

03:02:57 THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE ME TO DO.

03:02:59 SO I WILL DO THAT.

03:03:00 I WILL RECUSE MYSELF, AND I WILL WALK OUT OF THE ROOM AT

03:03:02 THIS POINT.

03:03:04 THANK YOU.

03:03:06 >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU WOULD THEN FILE WITHIN

03:03:09 15 DAYS AND I WILL HAVE THAT FOR YOU FOR THE RECORD DOWN THE

03:03:12 ROAD.

03:03:13 THANK YOU, SIR.

03:03:14 >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, I TAKE OFFENSE THAT COUNCILMAN

03:03:18 DINGFELDER SAYING THAT WE ARE IGNORING ANY DANGERS THAT

03:03:20 MIGHT COME FROM THE BUILDING OF THIS.

03:03:22 I THINK NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR OTHER

03:03:25 COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALWAYS TAKE IN ALL CONSIDERATIONS OF

03:03:29 ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE US.

03:03:31 I TAKE OFFENSE THAT IT WAS SAID THAT I IGNORED EVERYTHING.




03:03:35 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

03:03:36 >>LUIS VIERA: I AGREE, I DISAGREE WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S

03:03:43 COMMENTS, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, HE'S PROBABLY VERY EMOTIONAL,

03:03:47 AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT ONE THINKS ABOUT IT, HE'S UNDER A

03:03:51 LEVEL OF EMOTION NOW, SO I MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT

03:03:54 BUT I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE, WE ALWAYS GET EMOTIONAL WHEN WE

03:03:58 SAY THINGS.

03:03:58 I AM NOT FINE WITH IT BUT I UNDERSTAND IT.

03:04:00 JUST MY OPINION.

03:04:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. VIERA, FOR THAT.

03:04:03 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN CONTINUE JUST

03:04:06 VERY BRIEFLY.

03:04:08 WITH REGARD TO THAT E-MAIL, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS THAT BEEN

03:04:13 SINCE UPLOADED AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH SIRE

03:04:16 AND THROUGH THE TAMPA.GOV/AGENDA WEBSITE, MRS. BATSEL, ARE

03:04:23 YOU AWARE?

03:04:25 >>ELISE BATSEL: IT HAS NOT BEEN UPLOADED AND NONE OF THAT

03:04:28 INFORMATION HAS BEEN PUT INTO PUBLIC RECORD.

03:04:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DEADLINE BEING THE PAST 24, 48 HOURS?

03:04:34 >>ELISE BATSEL: YES.

03:04:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

03:04:37 PARDON?

03:04:38 >>ELISE BATSEL: I BELIEVE WE CHECKED THIS MORNING AT 9:00.

03:04:40 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU.

03:04:41 AGAIN JUST A REMINDER FOR YOU AND THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS IF




03:04:44 THERE'S ANY SCREEN SHARING, PLEASE PURSUANT TO THE RULES,

03:04:48 ENTER THAT INTO THE RECORD PHYSICALLY ELECTRONICALLY THROUGH

03:04:51 THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN SET FORTH IN THE INSTRUCTIONS.

03:04:56 OKAY.

03:04:56 THAT BEING THE CASE, IF I CAN, THEN JUST INQUIRE OF THE

03:05:00 BOARD.

03:05:02 JUST SO THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

03:05:04 COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER HAS RECUSED HIMSELF.

03:05:08 AND NOW THAT BEING THE CASE, AND NOW YOU BEING AWARE OF THIS

03:05:12 PRESENTATION, AND THE ISSUES BEFORE YOU, ARE THERE ANY

03:05:15 MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD WHO CANNOT BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND

03:05:22 BASE YOUR EVIDENCE UPON THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE

03:05:25 THAT HAS BEEN ENTERED INTO THIS RECORD?

03:05:27 IF YOU HAVE, PLEASE INDICATE THAT YOU CANNOT BE FAIR AND

03:05:30 IMPARTIAL.

03:05:33 I SEE NO ONE.

03:05:36 MS. BATSEL, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU WISH TO HAVE

03:05:39 FOR THE RECORD?

03:05:40 >>ELISE BATSEL: WE DO HAVE -- I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE

03:05:45 COMMENT FOR REBUTTAL BASED ON THE CITIZEN TESTIMONY.

03:05:48 >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT OUTSIDE OF THE RECORD WITH REGARD TO

03:05:50 YOUR PROCEDURAL ISSUES.

03:05:52 >>ELISE BATSEL: YOU KNOW, MY DUTY WAS TO PROTECT THE RECORD

03:05:57 FOR MY CLIENT, AND MY DUTY WAS TO PRESENT FACTUAL

03:06:01 INFORMATION ON THE RECORD AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO AS




03:06:05 CAREFULLY AND DIPLOMATICALLY AS WE COULD.

03:06:07 >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD, AND THANK YOU.

03:06:10 I TURN THE MEETING BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:06:12 >>ELISE BATSEL: I HAVE ONE QUESTION OF OUR EXPERT, MARTHA

03:06:18 ILA.

03:06:23 I DON'T BELIEVE SHE'S BEEN SWORN.

03:06:24 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

03:06:34 >>ELISE BATSEL: YOU ARE MUTED.

03:06:35 >> YES, I SWEAR.

03:06:37 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

03:06:41 >>ELISE BATSEL: MS. ILA, DID YOU HEAR ALL OF THE PRIOR

03:06:43 TESTIMONY BY CITIZENS AT THIS PARTICULAR HEARING?

03:06:45 >> YES, I DID.

03:06:46 I HEARD THE FOUR CITIZENS' TESTIMONY.

03:06:48 >>ELISE BATSEL: WAS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU HEARD

03:06:50 THAT WE HAVE NOT ALREADY ADDRESSED AT THE PRIOR HEARING WITH

03:06:54 EXPERT TESTIMONY AND COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE?

03:06:57 >> MOST OF WHAT THEY DISCUSSED SUCH AS WEIGHING THE RISKS

03:07:04 AND WEIGHING THE RISKS AGAINST THE BENEFITS AND THE OTHER

03:07:11 INFORMATION WE HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED.

03:07:15 I ONLY HEARD ONE NEW THING.

03:07:16 SOMEONE MENTIONED A WINDSOCK.

03:07:20 THAT'S TYPICAL.

03:07:21 ANY FACILITY THAT HAS AIRBORNE CHEMICALS TYPICALLY HAVE THE

03:07:26 WINDSOCK AS PART OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND PART OF THE




03:07:29 SAFETY SYSTEMS.

03:07:30 OTHER THAN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE AT THE

03:07:33 PREVIOUS MEETINGS.

03:07:35 >>ELISE BATSEL: THANK YOU.

03:07:37 MR. CHAIRMAN, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR TEAM, OUR

03:07:40 DEVELOPMENT TEAM, IS ON THE LINE, IF ANYONE HAS ANY

03:07:43 QUESTIONS.

03:07:44 OTHERWISE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

03:07:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCILMEN, ANY QUESTIONS?

03:07:51 MOVE TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY CITRO.

03:07:53 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:07:54 ANY OPPOSED?

03:07:56 MOTION CARRIED.

03:07:57 MR. CITRO, CAN YOU READ ITEM NUMBER 57, SIR?

03:08:01 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE REZ 20-292.

03:08:04 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND

03:08:06 ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL

03:08:08 VICINITY OF 5430 AND 5440 WEST TYSON AVENUE IN THE CITY OF

03:08:14 TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1

03:08:17 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION IH HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO

03:08:21 PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTIFAMILY,

03:08:25 SINGLE-FAMILY, ATTACHED, RESTAURANT, RETAIL, SHOPPERS GOODS,

03:08:31 PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:08:33 >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND.

03:08:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.




03:08:38 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:08:40 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:08:42 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:08:45 I'M SORRY, CITRO.

03:08:47 YES.

03:08:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO.

03:08:49 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH GUDES VOTING NO AND

03:08:52 DINGFELDER AND CARLSON ABSTAINING.

03:08:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 58.

03:09:02 >>RYAN MANASSE: FILE REZ 21-09 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND

03:09:09 READING AND ADOPTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 210 NORTH

03:09:12 HUBERT AVENUE.

03:09:12 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU WAS TO REZONE FROM RS-50 AND RM-24 TO

03:09:17 PD FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY

03:09:19 ATTACHED, SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK

03:09:23 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

03:09:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

03:09:29 APPLICANT?

03:09:30 >> SECOND FLOOR?

03:09:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MICHELINI?

03:09:42 >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I HAVE BEEN SWORN BUT I WILL

03:09:45 DO IT AGAIN IF YOU LIKE.

03:09:46 >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

03:09:49 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

03:09:55 >>STEVE MICHELINI: I DO.




03:09:57 WE HAVE PROVIDED THE REVISED SITE PLANS IN ACCORDANCE WITH

03:10:00 THAN THE CITY STAFF REQUEST AND THE COUNCIL MOTION.

03:10:03 I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

03:10:05 IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

03:10:08 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

03:10:13 WE HAVE NOBODY TO SPEAK.

03:10:21 MR. MANISCALCO MOTION TO CLOSE.

03:10:23 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:10:26 >> WHO WAS THE SECOND?

03:10:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M SORRY.

03:10:28 SECOND BY CITRO.

03:10:30 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:10:32 ANY OPPOSED?

03:10:33 MOTION CARRIED.

03:10:33 >>LUIS VIERA: I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED

03:10:38 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, MOVE AN ORDINANCE REZONING

03:10:41 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 210 NORTH HUBERT AVENUE

03:10:47 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY

03:10:49 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION

03:10:51 RS 50 RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY, AND RM-24 RESIDENTIAL

03:10:56 MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL

03:10:58 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:10:59 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

03:11:04 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:11:07 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.




03:11:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY, WHAT ITEM ARE WE ON?

03:11:15 58. YES.

03:11:16 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:11:18 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:11:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:11:20 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:11:21 >>STEVE MICHELINI: THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

03:11:24 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

03:11:28 ITEM 59 IS FILE REZ 21-10.

03:11:31 AN ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION FOR

03:11:33 THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 602 WEST WARREN AVENUE AND 601 WEST

03:11:37 EUCLID AVENUE.

03:11:38 THE REZONING REQUEST WAS FROM RM-16 TO PD PLANNED

03:11:42 DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, REVISED

03:11:46 SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK THAT ARE

03:11:48 CERTIFIED, AS WELL AS JUST FOR YOUR INFO THERE IS A BONUS

03:11:51 PROVISION AGREEMENT THAT SAID RESOLUTION BE ADOPTED AFTER

03:11:55 THE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE.

03:11:57 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

03:11:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

03:12:02 >>THE CLERK: WE DID HAVE DUANE MELFORD REGISTERED TO SPEAK

03:12:10 BUT HE IS NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.

03:12:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] ANYBODY ON THE SECOND

03:12:17 FLOOR?

03:12:17 >>THE CLERK: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.




03:12:25 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY

03:12:27 MIRANDA.

03:12:28 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:12:29 ANY OPPOSED?

03:12:31 MOTION CARRIED.

03:12:32 MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU READ ITEM NUMBER 59, SIR?

03:12:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FILE REZ 21-10.

03:12:39 >>LUIS VIERA: OH, YOU VOTED NO.

03:12:44 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY, I VOTED NO.

03:12:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER.

03:12:50 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN REGARD TO REZ 21-10 I READ THE

03:12:53 FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN

03:12:55 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 602

03:12:58 WEST WARREN AVENUE AND 6501 WEST EUCLID AVENUE IN THE CITY

03:13:01 OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION

03:13:03 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RM-16 RESIDENTIAL

03:13:06 MULTIFAMILY TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL

03:13:08 SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND I

03:13:13 BELIEVE --

03:13:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S ALL THAT'S REALLY NECESSARY.

03:13:18 I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING DO ADD ANYTHING ELSE BUT

03:13:21 THERE'S AN ASSOCIATED RESOLUTION TO MOVE AFTER THIS ITEM.

03:13:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY.

03:13:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.

03:13:28 ROLL CALL VOTE.




03:13:29 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:13:32 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:13:34 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:13:35 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:13:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:13:38 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

03:13:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:13:41 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.

03:13:44 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THE RESOLUTION

03:13:46 ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ITEM FOR BONUS DENSITY.

03:13:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MANISCALCO.

03:13:53 ROLL CALL.

03:13:53 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO.

03:13:58 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:14:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:14:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:14:02 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:14:03 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:14:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:14:06 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO.

03:14:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM 60 IS 21-12 FOR SECOND READING

03:14:18 ADOPTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 404 EAST SEWARD STREET, RS

03:14:23 350 TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY

03:14:26 DETACHED, CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE

03:14:29 CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.




03:14:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

03:14:34 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:14:35 DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT?

03:14:36 >>THE CLERK: WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT REGISTERED.

03:14:38 HOWEVER THEY ARE NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME.

03:14:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND

03:14:46 FLOOR?

03:14:46 MOVE TO CLOSE?

03:14:48 MOTION BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:14:50 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:14:51 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:14:52 ANY OPPOSED?

03:14:53 MOTION CARRIED.

03:14:54 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NUMBER 60, FILE REZ 21-12, ORDINANCE

03:15:03 BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN

03:15:05 ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 404

03:15:09 EAST SEWARD STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

03:15:13 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

03:15:16 CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO PD PLANNED

03:15:19 DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED PROVIDING AN

03:15:21 EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:15:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:15:24 ROLL CALL.

03:15:25 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:15:29 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.




03:15:30 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:15:31 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:15:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:15:33 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:15:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:15:36 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:15:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 61.

03:15:39 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

03:15:41 ITEM NUMBER 61 IS FILE REZ 21-14 BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND

03:15:44 READING AND ADOPTION.

03:15:46 THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 9904 NORTH 14th STREET AND

03:15:50 THE REQUEST EUCLIDEAN REQUEST TO RM-18.

03:15:56 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

03:15:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS? WE HAVE THE APPLICANT.

03:16:00 >>THE CLERK: THE APPLICANT MR. HUDAK?

03:16:19 HE NEEDS TO BE SWORN IN.

03:16:20 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

03:16:21 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

03:16:24 THANK YOU.

03:16:30 PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF.

03:16:31 >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR TIME

03:16:40 AND CONSIDERATION TO REVIEW THIS APPLICATION.

03:16:44 I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

03:16:45 IS THIS FOR THE REZ 21-15?

03:16:49 I THINK IT WAS ITEM 62 ON YOUR AGENDA.




03:16:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU WOULD BE CORRECT, SIR.

03:16:54 WE ARE ON 61.

03:16:55 >> YOU ARE ON 61.

03:17:01 OKAY.

03:17:01 THEY ASKED ME TO JUMP IN HERE.

03:17:07 IT WAS 62.

03:17:09 >>THE CLERK: YOU ARE CORRECT. IT'S NUMBER 62 SO STAND BY.

03:17:11 WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED FOR ITEM NUMBER 61.

03:17:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

03:17:19 MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:17:23 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:17:24 MOTION CARRIED.

03:17:26 WE HAVE MR. CARLSON, PLEASE, SIR.

03:17:28 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FILE REZ 21-14,

03:17:33 ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION,

03:17:35 AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY.

03:17:38 9904 NORTH 14th STREET IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND

03:17:41 MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING

03:17:43 DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO

03:17:46 RM-18 RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:17:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:17:52 ROLL CALL VOTE.

03:17:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:17:56 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:17:57 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.




03:17:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:18:00 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:18:01 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:18:03 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:18:04 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:18:06 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 62.

03:18:09 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

03:18:11 ITEM NUMBER 62 IS FILE REZ 21-15 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT

03:18:16 2710 AND 2724 WEST COLUMBUS DRIVE.

03:18:19 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU WAS A EUCLIDEAN REZONING REQUEST FROM

03:18:22 RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY TO CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE

03:18:28 COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

03:18:30 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

03:18:31 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

03:18:32 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:18:34 ALL RIGHT.

03:18:34 THE APPLICANT?

03:18:35 >> I'M HERE SIR.

03:18:39 I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME.

03:18:40 WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE REPORT AND THE RECOMMENDATION

03:18:44 FOR APPROVAL.

03:18:44 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

03:18:49 ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

03:18:52 >> NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

03:18:56 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MR. CITRO.




03:18:57 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:18:59 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:19:00 ANY OPPOSED?

03:19:00 MOTION CARRIED.

03:19:02 MR. MANISCALCO, ITEM 62.

03:19:05 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR

03:19:08 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY

03:19:11 IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2710 AND 2724 WEST COLUMBUS DRIVE

03:19:17 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORAL PARTICULARLY

03:19:19 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION

03:19:21 RS-50 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE

03:19:26 TO CI COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:19:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY CITRO.

03:19:33 ROLL CALL VOTE.

03:19:33 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:19:36 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:19:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:19:38 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:19:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:19:43 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:19:43 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:19:44 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:19:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 63.

03:19:48 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM 63, FILE REZ 21-16 FOR THE PROPERTY

03:19:54 LOCATED AT 6800 NORTH NEBRASKA AVENUE.




03:19:57 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU WAS A EUCLIDEAN REZONING REQUEST AND

03:20:00 IT WAS FROM SH-RS AND SH-CI TO SH-RM.

03:20:06 STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

03:20:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

03:20:09 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:20:11 DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT?

03:20:12 >>THE CLERK: I DO NOT HAVE NONE REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM.

03:20:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

03:20:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO CLOSE.

03:20:21 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

03:20:22 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:20:24 ANY OPPOSED?

03:20:25 MOTION CARRIED.

03:20:26 MR. CITRO, ITEM 63, PLEASE SIR.

03:20:29 >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE REZ 21-16 AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED

03:20:32 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING

03:20:35 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 6800 NORTH NEBRASKA

03:20:38 AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY

03:20:40 DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION

03:20:44 SH-RS SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED

03:20:48 AND SH-CI SEMINOLE HEIGHTS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO SH-RM

03:20:56 SEMINOLE HEIGHTS RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY PROVIDING AN

03:20:59 EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:21:00 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:21:05 ROLL CALL VOTE.




03:21:05 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:21:10 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:21:12 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:21:13 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:21:14 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:21:15 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:21:16 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:21:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 64.

03:21:20 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

03:21:26 REZ 21-17 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 902 EAST 25th AVENUE.

03:21:30 THE REQUEST BEFORE IS YOU FROM RS-50 AND CG COMMERCIAL

03:21:34 GENERAL DO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL

03:21:36 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED.

03:21:38 CERTIFIED SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK

03:21:40 AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

03:21:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

03:21:43 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:21:44 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?

03:21:46 >> I DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT REGISTERED FOR THIS ITEM NOR

03:21:49 ANY OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

03:21:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU.

03:21:52 MOVE TO CLOSE?

03:21:54 MOVED BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:21:55 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIED. MR.

03:22:02 VIERA, NUMBER 64, PLEASE.




03:22:03 >>LUIS VIERA: I MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR

03:22:05 SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE REZONING PROPERTY

03:22:09 IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 902 EAST 25th AVENUE IN THE

03:22:12 CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN

03:22:14 SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION RS-50

03:22:18 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY AND CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD

03:22:22 PLANNED DEVELOPMENT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED,

03:22:25 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:22:26 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY CITRO.

03:22:29 ROLL CALL VOTE.

03:22:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:22:34 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:22:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:22:36 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:22:38 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:22:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:22:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:22:41 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:22:42 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 65.

03:22:46 >>RYAN MANASSE: DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION.

03:22:48 FILE REZ 21-19.

03:22:50 IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING.

03:22:52 THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2717 WEST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE.

03:22:56 THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU WAS TO REZONE FROM CG COMMERCIAL

03:22:59 GENERAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR RETAIL SALES,




03:23:02 CONVENIENCE GOODS AND GASOLINE, REVISED PLANS HAVE BEEN

03:23:04 TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR N

03:23:07 QUESTIONS.

03:23:07 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

03:23:08 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:23:09 DO WE HAVE AN APPLICANT?

03:23:12 >> YES.

03:23:12 TYLER HUDSON IS LOGGED ON.

03:23:15 HE JUST NEEDS TO TURN HIS VIDEO ON.

03:23:17 >> IT SHOULD BE ON.

03:23:28 >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

03:24:01 I NEED TO BE SWORN FIRST, I GUESS.

03:24:03 >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU.

03:24:04 PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

03:24:05 (OATH ADMINISTERED BY CLERK).

03:24:06 >> I DO.

03:24:14 TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE.

03:24:19 SINCE FIRST READING, I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AT FIRST

03:24:22 READING AND REQUEST THAT AGAIN THIS AFTERNOON.

03:24:24 I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT ASK.

03:24:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS?

03:24:30 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:24:32 DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK OR ANYONE ON THE

03:24:34 SECOND FLOOR?

03:24:35 >> NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.




03:24:36 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY

03:24:42 CITRO.

03:24:42 ROLL CALL VOTE.

03:24:45 CORRECTION.

03:24:45 ALL IN FAVOR.

03:24:46 ANY OPPOSED?

03:24:50 WE GO TO MR. MIRANDA ON ITEM 65.

03:24:57 TO READ, SIR?

03:24:58 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [OFF MICROPHONE] AN ORDINANCE BEING

03:25:06 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE

03:25:09 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2717 WEST

03:25:12 HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

03:25:14 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

03:25:17 CLASSIFICATION CG --

03:25:19 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I HATE TO STOP YOU BUT THE CLERK SAYS SHE

03:25:22 CAN'T HEAR YOU SO IF YOU WOULD GET CLOSER TO THE MIKE,

03:25:25 PLEASE.

03:25:26 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NUMBER 65, REZ 21-19, AN ORDINANCE BEING

03:25:32 PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE

03:25:34 REZONING PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 2717 WEST

03:25:38 HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

03:25:41 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

03:25:44 CLASSIFICATION CG COMMERCIAL GENERAL TO PD PLANNED

03:25:47 DEVELOPMENT, RETAIL SALES, CONVENIENCE GOODS, AND GASOLINE,

03:25:51 PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.




03:25:51 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.

03:25:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL VOTE.

03:25:55 >>LUIS VIERA: YES.

03:25:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:25:59 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:26:01 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:26:02 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:26:04 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.

03:26:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:26:07 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:26:08 >>RYAN MANASSE: ITEM NUMBER 66 IS FILE REZ 21-20 FOR SECOND

03:26:17 READING AND ADOPTION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1510, 1514,

03:26:22 1516 AND 1520 WEST SPRUCE STREET, 901 AND 1301 GREEN STREET,

03:26:28 1830 NORTH OREGON STREET AND THEN THE FOLLOWING FOLLOW OWES,

03:26:31 179822.0016 AND 179822.032 AND 179822.0034 IT, FOR PLANNED

03:26:43 DEVELOPMENT, FROM NMU-35 WHICH IS NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE TO

03:26:47 PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT WAS ALL USE AS LOUD IN

03:26:52 SECTION 212 TABLE 212.2 RETAIL SALES, SHOPPERS GOODS, DRIVE

03:26:57 UP ATM, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, COLLEGE UNIVERSITY, HOTEL MAXIMUM

03:27:01 200 ROOMS, BANK AND BANK WITH DRIVE THROUGH ATM, PROVIDED

03:27:06 SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO THE CITY CLERK AND STAFF IS

03:27:08 AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

03:27:10 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN?

03:27:11 ANY QUESTIONS?

03:27:12 >> JAKE CREMER, STEARNS WEAVER MILLER, 401 EAST JACKSON




03:27:22 STREET.

03:27:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: CAN WE SEE HIM ON THE SCREEN?

03:27:26 AND NEED TO BE SWORN IN, SIR.

03:27:27 >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU

03:27:32 ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING

03:27:32 BUT THE TRUTH?

03:27:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE COULD HAVE HIM ON THE MONITORS,

03:27:38 PLEASE, IN THE CHAMBERS.

03:27:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S NOT ON THE COUNCIL MONITORS.

03:27:47 THANK YOU, SIR.

03:27:47 >> THANK YOU.

03:27:50 CAN YOU SEE ME?

03:27:52 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR.

03:27:52 >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL.

03:27:54 JAKE CREMER, STEARNS WEAVER MILLER, 401 EAST JACKSON STREET,

03:27:59 WE APPRECIATE YOUR UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.

03:28:00 THIS HELPS US CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD THE WEST REQUIRE

03:28:03 PROJECT IN TAMPA WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED, AND WE

03:28:07 APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT TODAY.

03:28:08 HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

03:28:10 OUR WHOLE TEAM IS AVAILABLE.

03:28:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

03:28:14 ANYBODY TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND FLOOR?

03:28:16 >> NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

03:28:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO CLOSE BY MANISCALCO, SECOND BY




03:28:21 MIRANDA.

03:28:22 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:28:22 ANY OPPOSED?

03:28:23 MOTION CARRIED.

03:28:24 MR. DINGFELDER, ITEM 66, SIR.

03:28:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: ABSOLUTELY, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:28:32 WITH REGARD TO REZ 21-20, I'LL MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE

03:28:35 FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AN ORDINANCE A REZONING

03:28:38 PROPERTY IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 1510, 1514, 1516 AND

03:28:42 1520 WEST SPRUCE STREET, 901 AND 1301 GREEN STREET, 1830

03:28:48 NORTH OREGON STREET, AND FOLIO 179822-0016, 179822.0032, AND

03:28:59 179822 .0034 IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA AND MORE

03:29:04 PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 FROM ZONING DISTRICT

03:29:07 CLASSIFICATION NMU 35 NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE TO PD PLANNED

03:29:11 DEVELOPMENT, ALL USES ALLOWED IN SECTION 212, TABLE 212.2,

03:29:17 RETAIL SALES, SHOPPERS GOODS, DRIVE-UP ATM, PRIVATE SCHOOLS,

03:29:21 COLLEGE UNIVERSITY, HOTEL MAXIMUM OF 200 ROOMS, BANK AND

03:29:26 BANK WITH DRIVE-THROUGH ATM PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

03:29:32 SOUND LIKE QUITE A PROJECT.

03:29:33 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:29:38 ROLL CALL VOTE.

03:29:38 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES.

03:29:43 >>BILL CARLSON: YES.

03:29:44 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES.

03:29:46 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.




03:29:48 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES.

03:29:49 >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES.

03:29:49 >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.

03:29:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 67 WAS HEARD EARLIER, WITHDRAWAL.

03:29:53 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND ITEM 68, RESCHEDULED THAT TO JUNE

03:29:56 17th, 2021 AT 10:30 A.M.

03:30:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND FROM MR. CITRO.

03:30:02 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:30:03 ANY OPPOSED?

03:30:04 MOTION CARRIED.

03:30:13 WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS.

03:30:18 MR. CARLSON.

03:30:19 >>BILL CARLSON: NO, SIR, THANK YOU.

03:30:22 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU DID A

03:30:26 WONDERFUL JOB TODAY, AND BEST OF LUCK MOVING FORWARD.

03:30:29 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR.

03:30:33 MR. CITRO.

03:30:34 >>JOSEPH CITRO: I SECOND THAT.

03:30:36 WONDERFUL MEETING TODAY.

03:30:37 NOTHING TODAY FROM ME, MR. CHAIR.

03:30:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA?

03:30:44 >>LUIS VIERA: I LIKE THE WAY YOU SAY THAT.

03:30:46 NO, GREAT MEETING TODAY, SIR.

03:30:47 CONGRATULATIONS AND TO EVERYBODY.

03:30:49 I JUST HAD ONE MOTION IF I MAY.




03:30:52 LAST NIGHT I WAS OUT AT K-BAR RANCH OVER IN NEW TAMPA, AND

03:30:56 THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES OUT THERE AT K-BAR RANCH

03:31:01 INVOLVING THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

03:31:04 FOUR OUT OF THE SIX FIRE STATIONS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH

03:31:07 THE LONGEST RESPONSE TIMES ARE IN NEW TAMPA AND IT SEEMS

03:31:09 THAT K-BAR RANCH BEARS THE BRUNT OF THAT.

03:31:12 SO MANY DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED OF 700,

03:31:16 I THINK IT WAS, NEW HOMES OUT THERE, MAYBE TWO AND A HALF OR

03:31:20 SO YEARS AGO, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH MANSFIELD,

03:31:25 FIRE SAFETY ISSUES, I GUESS IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO THE MAYOR

03:31:28 AND I WERE DOING A TOWN HALL OUT THERE AND THAT NIGHT IN

03:31:32 K-BAR RANCH THERE WAS A TRAGIC ACCIDENT WHERE A MOTHER WITH

03:31:35 A 12-YEAR-OLD SON, THERE WAS A CRASH, AND SHE DROWNED AND

03:31:40 DIED OUT THERE.

03:31:41 AND JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.

03:31:43 I WOULD LIKE TO DO A WORKSHOP IF I MAY ON K-BAR RANCH PUBLIC

03:31:48 SAFETY AND MOBILITY ISSUES.

03:31:50 JUST TO BRING THAT TO THE FOREFRONT.

03:31:52 I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL BOOKED IN JUNE.

03:31:54 WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT WORKSHOP THAT'S AVAILABLE?

03:31:57 I WAS LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR HERE.

03:32:03 WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE THAT'S AVAILABLE?

03:32:05 >>THE CLERK: THE NEXT AVAILABLE WILL BE SEPTEMBER 23rd.

03:32:11 >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, SEPTEMBER 23rd.

03:32:15 >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND.




03:32:17 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

03:32:20 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:32:21 ANY OPPOSED?

03:32:23 MOTION CARRIED.

03:32:24 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

03:32:26 >>LUIS VIERA: NO.

03:32:26 I WANTED TO POINT OUT AS WELL IF I MAY, WASN'T IT YESTERDAY,

03:32:30 THE DID IT COMMISSION PASSED $7.5 MILLION, THE NEW TAMPA

03:32:36 ARTS CENTER, AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST GIVE CREDIT WHERE

03:32:42 CREDIT IS DUE, BUT FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER VICTOR CRIST,

03:32:47 AND REALLY WORKED ON THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND HE'S NO

03:32:50 LONGER IN OFFICE, AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO HIM

03:32:54 FOR HIS LONG WORK.

03:32:55 THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF WORK THAT WORKED ON THAT, CITY

03:32:57 STAFF, OTHER COMMISSIONERS, ET CETERA.

03:32:59 BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING, I THINK HE WAS PROBABLY A STATE

03:33:03 SENATOR, I'M THINKING BACK THEN, HE STARTED WORKING ON ARTS,

03:33:07 AND COMMUNITY VENUES FOR NEW AND NORTH TAMPA WITH THE IDEA

03:33:12 BEING THE FIRST OF WHAT WOULD BECOME THE UACDC WHICH IS HIS

03:33:18 BABY.

03:33:19 MAYBE HE'S ONE OF NUMEROUS FATHERS AND MOTHERS, BUT

03:33:22 CERTAINLY HIS BABY, THE UACDC, AND PART OF THAT VISION WAS

03:33:26 FOR NEW TAMPA TO HAVE AN ARTS CENTER, AND THAT PASSED

03:33:30 YESTERDAY.

03:33:30 SO AGAIN KUDOS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR




03:33:35 FORMER COMMISSIONER AND STATED SENATOR VICTOR CRIST.

03:33:41 I WANTED TO ABSOLUTE HIM.

03:33:42 SO THANK YOU.

03:33:43 >>THE CLERK: CHAIR, MR. VIERA COULD, WE SCHEDULE THAT WORK

03:33:47 FOR 10:00 A.M. TIME CERTAIN SINCE WE HAVE AT 9:30 A.M.?

03:33:53 >>LUIS VIERA: NO PROBLEM.

03:33:54 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MADAM DEPUTY CLERK.

03:33:56 MR. MIRANDA.

03:33:56 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A COUPLE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:33:59 THE FIRST ONE IS APPOINTED ANDY SCAGLIONE TO THE BUDGET

03:34:04 REVIEW COMMITTEE.

03:34:08 HE HAD TO LEAVE THE STATE FOR A JOB CHANGE AND HE DID A

03:34:10 FANTASTIC JOB AND I AM POINTING AN INDIVIDUAL THAT I KNOW IS

03:34:13 WELL VERSED IN FINANCE.

03:34:14 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:34:19 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE POINTING MR. SCAGLIONE.

03:34:24 >> YES.

03:34:27 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:34:28 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:34:29 ANY OPPOSED?

03:34:30 MOTION CARRIES.

03:34:30 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE NEXT ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

03:34:35 MOTION TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION PRESENT THE FISCAL YEAR

03:34:40 2021 MIDYEAR REVIEW FOR THE BUDGET ON MAY 20th IF

03:34:44 POSSIBLE.




03:34:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. CITRO.

03:34:46 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:34:47 ANY OPPOSED?

03:34:48 MOTION CARRIED.

03:34:48 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE LAST ONE, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING

03:34:53 ITEM NUMBER 8, I KEPT TALKING ABOUT A WORKSHOP, BUT I COP

03:34:58 SEE THAT I ERRED IN MY OWN JUDGMENT WHEN I VOTED FOR THE

03:35:03 CONTINUATION OF NUMBER 8.

03:35:04 AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT REVIEWED AGAIN, TAKE ANOTHER

03:35:07 VOTE.

03:35:10 >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, MR. MIRANDA?

03:35:13 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, SIR.

03:35:14 WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING ITEM NUMBER 8, I MENTIONED TWO OR

03:35:18 THREE TIMES ABOUT A WORKSHOP, AND I ERRED AND I VOTED FOR

03:35:23 CONTINUATION OF ITEM NUMBER 8 INSTEAD OF WORK SHOPPING ITEM

03:35:26 NUMBER 8.

03:35:27 THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

03:35:28 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION WAS.

03:35:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.

03:35:34 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE ARE WE AT NOW?

03:35:36 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THOUGHT IT WAS TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER

03:35:38 8.

03:35:38 I WANTED A WORKSHOP.

03:35:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S A WORK SHOWN.

03:35:41 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT I




03:35:45 OFFERED.

03:35:45 >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT WAS TO PUT IT TO A WORKSHOP, CORRECT?

03:35:52 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE.

03:35:53 I THOUGHT I MADE A MISTAKE AND I MADE A MISTAKE BY THINKING

03:35:57 I MADE A MISTAKE.

03:35:58 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

03:36:01 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT.

03:36:01 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

03:36:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I GOT A MEMO IN REFERENCE TO THE BUDGET

03:36:09 AND FINANCE COMMITTEE.

03:36:10 AS NOW, WE TALKED LAST YEAR REFERENCE TO MAKING SURE THAT

03:36:14 YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD IN FINANCE AND BUNDLING SO

03:36:19 WHEN YOU MAKE THE REAPPOINTMENTS, AGAIN, GOT A GOOD PERSON

03:36:27 ON THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE KEY.

03:36:32 BUT I GET CALLS FROM THE PAST CHAIR AND APPARENTLY THE PHONE

03:36:38 CALLS HAVEN'T BEEN RECEIVED AND RETURNED SO I AM GLAD THAT

03:36:43 MR. MIRANDA AND MARY ARE ON THAT NOW.

03:36:46 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DETAIL,

03:36:50 FOCUS, THERE YOU GO.

03:36:51 >>ORLANDO GUDES: OH, YES.

03:36:52 I KNOW.

03:36:53 MR. DINGFELDER, HOW ABOUT YOU, SIR?

03:36:54 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:36:56 TWO ITEMS.

03:36:57 ONE, I WOULD LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO HAVE BEEN -- INTERESTING




03:37:02 LEGAL QUESTION CAME UP TODAY, AND I WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO

03:37:05 DIRECT MR. SHELBY TO DO SOME RESEARCH AND COME BACK TO US

03:37:11 WITH NOT NECESSARILY A LEGAL MEMORANDUM OR ANYTHING THAT

03:37:14 FORMAL, BUT JUST SOME INFORMATION TO GIVE US FUTURE

03:37:18 GUIDANCE, AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY AS RELATED TO THIS

03:37:20 QUESTION OF EX PARTE INFORMATION.

03:37:22 SO THE INSINUATION IS WE HAVE TO VIEW THESE REZONINGS WITH A

03:37:28 TOTALLY BLANK SLATE WITH NOTHING IN OUR MIND.

03:37:31 AND MY CONCERN IS, WE ALL BRING TO THE TABLE GENERAL

03:37:36 KNOWLEDGE, HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE, MR. MIRANDA HAS AN AMAZING

03:37:40 HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE AND HE REMINDS US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH

03:37:45 NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, SOMETIMES EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF A

03:37:48 REZONING, A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE MIGHT COME OUT EITHER IN THE

03:37:53 BUSINESS JOURNAL OR THE TIMES OR WHAT HAVE YOU ABOUT THAT

03:37:55 REZONING.

03:37:56 SO IT'S LIKE, WELL, DO WE ALL DISCLOSE THAT WE READ THAT

03:38:01 NEWSPAPER ARTICLE?

03:38:02 I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

03:38:04 BUT THAT ISSUE CAME UP TODAY, AND IT KIND OF TOOK ME BY

03:38:09 SURPRISE A LITTLE BIT.

03:38:10 AND THEN I THINK WE ARE ALL CREATURES OF GOOGLE NOW.

03:38:14 I MEAN, HOW MANY OF US AT ONE POINT IN EVERY SINGLE DAY OF

03:38:17 OUR LIVES MIGHT SAY, OH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, LET ME

03:38:22 GOOGLE THAT, AND THEREFORE WE DID.

03:38:27 AND I AM NOT TRYING TO DIRECT THAT RESEARCH IN ANY WAY AT




03:38:30 ALL.

03:38:30 BUT I THINK FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, FOR PURPOSES OF

03:38:34 QUASI-JUDICIAL, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE FROM MR.

03:38:36 SHELBY ON THAT ISSUE.

03:38:39 AND SO I THINK IT'S A VERY HARMLESS MOTION, AND I WOULD ASK

03:38:44 FOR A SECOND.

03:38:44 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

03:38:46 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER.

03:38:47 SECOND BY MR. VIERA. DID YOU 2021 SAY SOMETHING, MR.

03:38:50 SHELBY?

03:38:51 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR CITY COUNCIL.

03:38:53 THANK YOU.

03:38:53 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR?

03:38:55 ANY OPPOSED?

03:38:56 MOTION CARRIED.

03:38:56 ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?

03:38:58 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

03:38:59 AND MR. CHAIRMAN, GOING BACK TO 2016, AND I WAITED UNTIL WE

03:39:07 DON'T HAVE ANY RATTLESNAKE POINT ISSUES ON OUR PLATE, BUT

03:39:10 GOING BACK TO 2016, THE COUNCIL IN 2016 WAS FACED WITH THE

03:39:17 ISSUE OF ABOUT A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WAS A PRIVATELY

03:39:21 INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT THAT CHANGED THE LANGUAGE OF THAT

03:39:25 CHEMICAL PLANT ISSUE AND SIGNIFICANTLY, OKAY?

03:39:30 THAT CHANGE WAS OPPOSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION --

03:39:36 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WAIT.




03:39:39 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY.

03:39:42 >>THE CLERK: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND PERHAPS IT'S NOT

03:39:44 INAPPROPRIATE.

03:39:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WORKSHOP IT.

03:39:47 >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE ARE IN THE

03:39:51 30-DAY APPEAL PERIOD.

03:39:53 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE WORKSHOP IT IN AUGUST.

03:39:55 OR SEPTEMBER.

03:39:55 >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD JUST BE CONCERNED ABOUT TALKING

03:40:01 ABOUT SPECIFIC --

03:40:04 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WON'T GET INTO SPECIFICS.

03:40:05 ALL I WILL SAY IS, AS A MATTER OF RECORD, I WAS READING

03:40:08 TODAY'S RECORD, AS A MATTER OF RECORD, THE PLANNING

03:40:11 COMMISSION VOTED AGAINST THAT PLAN AMENDMENT, AND OUR CITY

03:40:16 STAFF, OUR VERY OWN LACHONE DOCK, WROTE TO DAVID HEY AND

03:40:22 RECOMMENDED THE CITY'S POSITION WAS AGAINST THAT AMENDMENT.

03:40:24 SO I WOULD LIKE TO WORKSHOP THAT AMENDMENT IN LET'S SAY

03:40:29 SEPTEMBER, AND SEE IF WE STILL FEEL THAT THAT AMENDMENT WAS

03:40:35 APPROPRIATE OR MAYBE WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT AMENDMENT.

03:40:39 >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND.

03:40:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER,

03:40:42 SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO.

03:40:44 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:40:45 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FOR SPECIFICITY THAT WAS COMP PLAN

03:40:47 AMENDMENT 16-02.




03:40:50 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY OPPOSED?

03:40:51 MOTION CARRIED.

03:40:51 >>THE CLERK: WOULD THAT BE A TIME SPECIFIC FOR 10:30?

03:40:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, MA'AM.

03:40:57 THANK YOU.

03:40:59 THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:41:00 THAT'S ALL I HAVE GOT.

03:41:02 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU, SIR.

03:41:04 >>LUIS VIERA: I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE GOING, MS. WELLS WAS

03:41:09 GOING TO SAY SOMETHING.

03:41:11 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. WELLS, I'M SORRY.

03:41:12 >>CATE WELLS: I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, BUT I THOUGHT I

03:41:17 UNDERSTOOD COUNCIL'S MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 8, BUT WITH THE

03:41:22 DISCUSSION, COUNCIL JUST HAD, SPECIFICALLY COUNCILMAN

03:41:27 MIRANDA, I'M CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THE ACTION IS, BECAUSE I

03:41:30 UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S A CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM IN ORDER TO

03:41:36 WORKSHOP IT IN JUNE.

03:41:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM TO WORKSHOP IT

03:41:42 IN JUNE BUT TO NOT ONLY WORKSHOP IT BUT TO FLUSH OUT THE

03:41:46 CHANGES THAT I PROPOSED TODAY, AND TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE

03:41:49 WORKSHOP.

03:41:49 >>CATE WELLS: OKAY, AS I UNDERSTOOD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA

03:41:53 SAYING NOT CONTINUE THAT ITEM.

03:42:05 >>...WHETHER DINGFELDER WOULD SHUT UP, AND SURE ENOUGH.

03:42:06 >> WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.




03:42:07 >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN HEAR WHOEVER IS SAYING -- WE CAN

03:42:10 HEAR -- I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR.

03:42:11 >> UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T HEAR IT.

03:42:16 >>LUIS VIERA: I HEARD ENOUGH. I HEARD SOMETHING.

03:42:17 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOA, WHOA.

03:42:24 MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED.

03:42:25 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AS IT COMES DOWN, I WAS ASKING MR.

03:42:25 DINGFELDER EARLIER, WE GET FROM VERBIAGE FROM YOU GUYS UP

03:42:31 THERE SITTING, BUT ALL THIS PLASTIC, BY THE TIME IT GETS TO

03:42:34 US, IT'S HALF MUMBLED.

03:42:36 WE DON'T HEAR IT AS WELL.

03:42:38 >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HEARD YOU.

03:42:39 >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THAT WAS A

03:42:45 STAFF MEMBER OR SOMEONE ELSE OR BECAUSE THAT WAS COMPLETELY

03:42:48 INAPPROPRIATE.

03:42:48 >> I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.

03:42:48 >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT THEY SAID WAS, IF MR. DINGFELDER WOULD

03:42:51 JUST SHUT UP.

03:42:55 IF IT WAS A STAFF MEMBER -- IF IT WAS A STAFF MEMBER --

03:43:01 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON HAS THE FLOOR.

03:43:03 >>BILL CARLSON: IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

03:43:05 SURE, THE STAFF REPORTS TO THE MAYOR, BUT CITY COUNCIL HAS

03:43:09 TO WORK WITH STAFF, AND THAT WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT IF

03:43:12 A STAFF MEMBER MADE THAT, AND CHIEF BENNETT IS ON THERE AND

03:43:16 I KNOW THAT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF HOW HE OR THE MAYOR FEELS.




03:43:19 THANK YOU.

03:43:19 >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.

03:43:23 JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF.

03:43:25 FIRST, UNRELATED TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT,

03:43:28 CONGRATULATIONS ON EVERYBODY WHO RECEIVED A CHAIR, PRO TEM

03:43:32 OR VICE CHAIR ROLL TODAY.

03:43:34 FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN ON THIS AFTERNOON SO I WANT TO TAKE

03:43:36 THAT MOMENT.

03:43:37 AND THANKS TO PREVIOUS CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO FOR HIS SERVICE

03:43:44 THROUGH THE LAST YEAR.

03:43:46 I ALSO PICKED UP ON THE COMMENT, AND I WILL WORK WITH TNI TO

03:43:52 FIGURE OUT WHO IS ONLINE, WHETHER IT WAS THE PRIVATE SECTOR

03:43:55 OR THE PUBLIC SIDE, AND SEE WHAT I CAN BRING BACK.

03:43:59 BUT, YEAH, WE DON'T TOLERATE ANY KIND OF BEHAVIOR THAT'S NOT

03:44:03 CONDUCIVE TO SERVING THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUR CONTINUED

03:44:06 PARTNERSHIP.

03:44:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST AS LONG AS I CAN BE ASSURED IT

03:44:11 WASN'T YOU.

03:44:11 [ LAUGHTER ]

03:44:14 I'M JUST KIDDING.

03:44:19 ALL RIGHT.

03:44:19 >>JOHN BENNETT: ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

03:44:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU.

03:44:24 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MRS. WELLS, YOU CAN CONTINUE.

03:44:27 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY GOES TO




03:44:30 CHARLIE.

03:44:31 IS THERE ANY CONFUSION AS TO MY MOTION?

03:44:34 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- ALL I KNOW IS WE

03:44:37 TALKED ABOUT NUMBER 8.

03:44:38 WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WORK SHOPPING THE

03:44:41 WHOLE THING FROM THE BEGINNING.

03:44:43 BECAUSE TO GO THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESS, I DON'T THINK WE

03:44:47 DID ENOUGH WORK TO MAKE THE REPRESENTATION LEGALLY ONE WAY

03:44:50 OR THE OTHER.

03:44:51 AND I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR IT UP, HAVE A WORKSHOP, HAVE THE

03:44:54 PEOPLE COME IN, BECAUSE THE WAY I WAS READING IT, IT COMES

03:44:57 IN FOR FIRST READING AND TWO WEEKS LATER FOR SECOND READING,

03:45:01 AND CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN WITHOUT ANY INPUT

03:45:05 FROM BOTH SIDES, FROM LEFT OR RIGHT OR RIGHT TO LEFT, AND I

03:45:10 THOUGHT I WAS WORK SHOPPING THE WHOLE IDEA SO LATER ON YOU

03:45:14 CAN BRING IT BACK TO FIRST READING.

03:45:16 THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

03:45:17 AND I VOTED THE WRONG WAY IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER WAY.

03:45:21 I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT IN A WORKSHOP AND THEN THAT SAME

03:45:26 DAY AT FIRST READING, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

03:45:29 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE INTENT IS JUST DO WORKSHOP.

03:45:34 SO --

03:45:35 >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET IT.

03:45:37 MR. MIRANDA, WAS JUST A WORKSHOP AND WE WOULD GO FROM THERE.

03:45:40 I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS A FIRST READING AT THAT WORKSHOP,




03:45:43 OR ANY TYPE OF INTENT THAT WAY.

03:45:46 BUT MY ANTENNAS WERE UP BECAUSE I CAN TELL THAT THE SMOKE

03:45:54 DIDN'T REALLY CLEAR RIGHT NOW BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT

03:46:00 TO RAISE THAT, AND AGAIN, THE WAY I INTERPRET IT, IT WAS A

03:46:04 WORKSHOP OF ALL THE RESPECTERS OF THE SITUATION AND WE WOULD

03:46:10 MOVE FROM THERE BUT THERE WAS NOTHING OF AN ORDINANCE COMING

03:46:13 BACK TO MY UNDERSTANDING.

03:46:15 IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DINGFELDER?

03:46:16 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR.

03:46:17 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION THEN, MR. MIRANDA, ARE YOU

03:46:19 WITHDRAWING YOUR MOTION?

03:46:20 ARE YOU SATISFIED, SIR?

03:46:22 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SATISFIED JUST FOR A WORKSHOP.

03:46:27 THAT'S WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING.

03:46:28 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL SATISFIED?

03:46:31 MS. WELLS, IN ADDITION ELSE, MA'AM?

03:46:33 >>CATE WELLS: THANK YOU.

03:46:34 THAT'S IT.

03:46:34 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, CAN I PASS THE GAVEL TO

03:46:37 YOU, SIR?

03:46:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GOT IT.

03:46:40 >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE

03:46:44 TAMPA JUNIOR COALITION TO RECEIVE A COMMENDATION HONORING

03:46:47 OUR EFFORTS IN BRINGING CULTURAL AWARENESS TO THE COMMUNITY

03:46:50 ABOUT BLACK HISTORY PRESENTED AT THE JUNE 3rd,




03:46:53 JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION IN TAMPA.

03:46:56 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A MOTION.

03:47:01 DID WE HAVE A SECOND?

03:47:02 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:47:03 ANY OPPOSED?

03:47:05 CARRY ON.

03:47:05 >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY SECOND ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A

03:47:09 MOTION FOR STAFF TO GIVE DETAILS FOR THE PROGRESS OR

03:47:12 DIRECTION FOR THE REPAIR OF A SEAWALL IN THE PALMETTO BEACH

03:47:18 BERMUDA ISLAND.

03:47:19 I WOULD LIKE THIS TO TAKE PLACE AT A JUNE 3rd REGULAR

03:47:22 SESSION OF COUNCIL.

03:47:23 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIRMAN.

03:47:26 SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA.

03:47:27 ANY CONVERSATION?

03:47:30 I BELIEVE MR --

03:47:32 >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BELIEVE MR. MANISCALCO HAD HIS HAND

03:47:34 BEFORE I SAID AYE.

03:47:35 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CITRO, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

03:47:39 >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, PLEASE.

03:47:41 AND IF I MAY, I WANT TO REALLY HEAR THIS WORKSHOP AND THIS

03:47:46 REPORT BUT WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT DIFFERENCES DURING SEA

03:47:50 LEVEL RISE INSTEAD OF REPAIRING SEAWALLS TO MAKING SURE THAT

03:47:55 MANGROVES GO IN.

03:47:56 SO WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT THAT ALSO DURING THIS REPORT.




03:48:00 THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER.

03:48:03 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR

03:48:04 MOTION?

03:48:06 THINK, WOULD BE FINE SIR.

03:48:07 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY MR.

03:48:09 MANISCALCO.

03:48:09 ALL IN FAVOR?

03:48:10 ANY OPPOSED?

03:48:12 CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

03:48:13 >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALSO, WE HAVE GOT A MOTION FROM CAROLE

03:48:21 POST IN REFERENCE TO THE STAFF REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR

03:48:29 CHAPTER 27 ASKING FOR IT TO BE WORKSHOPPED ON MAY 27th.

03:48:36 IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SHELBY?

03:48:39 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS PROVIDED, THAT MEMO WAS PROVIDED

03:48:42 TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CLERK DOES HAVE A COPY OF IT.

03:48:47 IT'S A MOTION ON MAY 27th WORKSHOP.

03:48:49 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN, MADAM CLERK?

03:48:59 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.

03:49:01 IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAY CALENDAR, THAT WAS BEFORE COUNCIL

03:49:04 HIGH PRESSURE ITS SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING AND TAKING

03:49:07 ACTION AND IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A WORK IN PROGRESS WHEN WE

03:49:09 BRING BACK THE RULES.

03:49:10 BUT ALSO FOR 9:00, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THEY ARE GROUPED,

03:49:14 SEVERAL OF THEM ARE GROUPED FOR THE PURE PROJECT AND I

03:49:18 BELIEVE THERE'S A MEMO THAT'S GOING TO BE FOLLOWING RELATING




03:49:21 TO ADDING TO THE PURE PROJECT.

03:49:23 THEN THERE ARE THE CHAPTER 27 DISCUSSIONS, AND THAT TAKES

03:49:28 PLACE SOMEWHERE AS TO THE SECOND FROM THE LAST.

03:49:32 SO PERHAPS, TO ADD THESE, WE CAN ASK THE CLERK TO GROUP THEM

03:49:36 WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, TO GROUP THEM IN SORT OF AN ORDER.

03:49:40 OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.

03:49:42 YOU WILL HAVE TO DO THAT THE DAY OF THE WORKSHOP.

03:49:48 IF YOU SET IT FOR THE 9:00 AS ALL THE OTHERS, IF IT'S

03:49:51 COUNCIL'S DIRECTION TO GROUP THEM BY SUBJECT MATTER, WE CAN

03:49:54 RESET THEM IN A CERTAIN ORDER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.

03:49:57 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOLD ON A SECOND, BILL. CAN WE RESET

03:50:04 THE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AND STILL HAVE TIME BEFORE THE ACTUAL

03:50:09 WORKSHOP?

03:50:10 MR. SHELBY?

03:50:12 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU MEAN REORDER THEM?

03:50:14 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AGREE.

03:50:15 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, I SUSPECT WE CAN.

03:50:16 MADAM CLERK?

03:50:18 >> THAT WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE.

03:50:20 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON, YOUR COMMENT?

03:50:23 >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY.

03:50:24 I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY IF THE PURE PROJECT CONTINUES

03:50:28 TO MOVE FORWARD THAT CROWDS ARE GOING TO GET LARGER AND

03:50:30 LARGER AND PUBLIC COMMENT.

03:50:31 SO IT COULD BE LONG PUBLIC COMMENT THAT DAY.




03:50:34 THAT'S JUST THE NEXT MEETING BUT THEY ARE GOING TO GET

03:50:38 LARGER AND LARGER.

03:50:39 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: EVEN MORE REASON TO TRY TO SEGREGATE THE

03:50:41 TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUES FROM EACH OTHER DURING THAT

03:50:47 SESSION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

03:50:48 >>ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVED A SECOND MEMO FROM CHIEF OF STAFF

03:50:52 REGARDING COUNCIL IN CHAMBERS.

03:50:53 >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S ACTUALLY A THIRD ONE, SIR.

03:50:59 IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE MAY 27th WORKSHOP FOR THE

03:51:07 ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR THE 5% OF DIMENSIONAL CRITERIA AS

03:51:11 STATED IN THE MOTION, IT'S WHAT I GUESS THE ADMINISTRATION

03:51:14 IS CALLING ADMINISTRATIVE LAW CREATION, I BELIEVE THAT WAS

03:51:20 AT COUNCIL'S INITIATIVE TO BRING TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO

03:51:22 ASK FOR.

03:51:24 HAS THAT BEEN ADDED TO THE MAY 27 WORKSHOP OR IS THAT STILL

03:51:28 TO BE VOTED ON?

03:51:30 >> STILL TO BE VOTED ON.

03:51:31 >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. CAN WE

03:51:35 TAKE A VOTE TO ADD THAT TO THE MAY 27th WORKSHOP?

03:51:38 BECAUSE WOULD WHAT COULD HAPPEN, COUNCIL, WHEN YOU COME BACK

03:51:41 WITH THE UPDATED CALENDAR YOU WILL SEE WHAT'S ON MAY

03:51:43 27th AND QUITE FRANKLY YOU HAVE AN ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE

03:51:46 MEETING GENERALLY, AND TWO DECISIONS FROM THE ZONING

03:51:51 ADMINISTRATOR, TWO REVIEW HEARINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE.

03:51:55 BUT THEY ARE ALL SIMILARLY RELATED.




03:51:58 AND THERE'S ANOTHER MOTION, IF YOU TAKE THIS MOTION ON THE

03:52:01 SAME PAGE FROM ABBEY FEELEY, REQUESTING ANOTHER ISSUE

03:52:06 RELATED TO CHAPTER 27, THAT THEY ARE ALSO ASKING FOR MAY

03:52:09 27th.

03:52:10 >>THE CLERK: MARTY THAT ONE IS ALREADY PLACED ON THE AGENDA

03:52:12 FOR THE 27TH.

03:52:14 >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT ALREADY IS?

03:52:15 OKAY.

03:52:15 THANK YOU.

03:52:16 OKAY, GOOD.

03:52:17 >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO, MR. CHAIRMAN HAS A PROPOSAL FROM

03:52:21 STAFF TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL CHAPTER 27 ITEM.

03:52:26 WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT FIRST?

03:52:28 >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES.

03:52:29